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Jueves de buenas con mucho de sostenibilidad.

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05:26 min | Last month

Jueves de buenas con mucho de sostenibilidad.

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David Wavey Anderson

MTR Podcasts

33:18 min | 3 weeks ago

David Wavey Anderson

"Shaky cats and kittens rodley here for this month's presenting sponsor night i'll gallery night out. Gallery is an intimate artist. Run exhibition space showcasing. The original paintings in fine art prints abedin wilson also it features curate goods from local artists and craftsmen. He'd be sure to found one of a kind gifts. Handcrafted jewelry home decor items along with a few ventas treasures located in the rear of two forty eight south konkan street and highland town across from its. Sally owes night out. Gallery is a unique spaced brings together. Wilson's love of the arts community and culture additionally night out gallery host in array of arts and crafts workshops throughout the year and participates in community events. Many of which are free and open to the public. So this epa changing world safety is their priority so feel free to join them and hit them up online at. www dot night out dot gallery. Tell them walk up to get to the truth and his art. I am your host rob rob lee and today's guests as a photographer filmmaker from baltimore maryland. We have david wadey anderson. Walkabout guests was happening. So you got dave way the and you got the american wave. The american league for for those who uninitiated. it's just me photoshop. Over dusty rhodes face if you are a wrestling fan you'll get that reference if you're not you should look it up so thank you. I'm glad we were able to make this situation worse because we we metron and make it work for a few weeks. Now as boats passing in the night is I'm i'm thankful for that is is working on now. I think the timing just happy right. I just really wanted to sit on these questions. So i could blow your mind away. I'm saying and is super high twos. I think we're both just like let's not go there. Milton ethnicities away. Unless just you know. Just do the interview here. I may only estimate will melt though. Wow so let's let's get into. Let's let's talk about your work a little bit. So i gave that that background for photographer filmmaker. But i'd like to let you know the guests describe what their work is encountered. That gives a little bit more than intimate view on his so. Describe your work to the fine folks. Most definitely our best. Describe my work as a reflection of where i am at any point in time basically. Most of my photography is more or less like a reflection of environment around me So depending on where i am. Well what kind of mood. I am in or even down to. What kinda cure. I have with me. It will tell a story or at least try to fabricate a moment in time like this happened right here more or less. Try to capture the emotional side I guess people will call it more dramatic. I guess because. I like using shadows and a contrast more and tend to lean towards the film. Look just because there's a lot more waiting it just has quit overall. Just try to capture a like human interaction like those stories that you pass by all the time you ever just look something like that. That'd be a cool photo or like may. I wish i could. I will be able to remember this down the line or or something or even being like in certain events or something so my work would definitely be a reflection of the human experience Through my eyes. I guess so in going into it like what was that moment or some some some experience that may be informed decision to move into digital photography as less of a hobby in more of a career that this is a funny store so i originally was in school for teaching. I went to see and i was studying Secondary education with a focus in special. Ed one nine. I'm saying i was maybe six or seven classes away from graduating and i'm sitting. In my educational psychology class and the teachers just like droning over common core. And i'm sitting there behind. These thick asks textbooks. And i realized that i hate children and and That's that's his job. i don't hate. Children are just a mess. John but it is really weird because it's like always found in high school high school. What do you wanna do for the rest of your life like. I never could find the answer to that question. Because i didn't even know who i was. I know that sounds very like is deepest shit and it's like a poetic mardi lights didn't want really leaning to likewise in the rain but is a serious question like you know. What is it that you're passionate about enough and work towards that ten thousand dollars for the rest of your life. I was just kind of expected just to be productive moved to the next level after high school. But i didn't know what i really honestly wanted to do. So i kinda just wasting my not wasting my time but you know kind of my time. Study light you know. It was just an e. J. rational teaching all right. Let's go try to be a teacher. But i fell in photography because i was unhappy with the core. Slow that i was doing. I didn't think i wanted to do this for the rest of my life. So i ended up dropping out And at the time. I had a like a core group of friends that i looked up to very heavily and one of them is mike. John mike john. If you don't know as a photographer and cinematographer from baltimore's well but when i met him You know. I wasn't shooting. I didn't own a camera But i had you know. I was just enraptured. In his energy he became a very good friend to me And you know. I looked up to him and i wanted to almost emulate him in a way just because he kinda just has his like moths to a flame type of repeal zoa on my twenty first birthday my sister put money and drove me to best buy bought my first camera which was a nikon. You know thirty. Two hundred. And i've been shooting. Was that same camera. Ever since it's it's been a it's been a wondrous tale of life. Yes that's how i felt too i it. It's one of those things where you you learn ailing. If i'm gonna do this and it's just like what am i passionate about. What do i like and you know. It's one of those things you learned that passion and all of that stuff. You can't fake it almost like when you hear like old wash basketball analysis and they'll say oh. Yeah you can't teach you. Can't he's passionate. It's the same thing to me and when you find something that you're either passionate about where you're not passionate about like what's the cost here. I gotta keep learning this stuff and doing stuff. That i don't really care about us not really driving me in. It's not really getting me up in the morning so in that. Let's let's let's use the these questions out the bottom. What keeps you up at night and we'll get you going in the morning. What keeps me up at night. Is i guess or night will be my fear of death i suppose and i layer that answer because i believe we're all gonna die off but i believe the key to everlasting life isn't necessarily in the sense but it's in the legacy that she leave high all your work or your family so be it so i'm constantly. You know trying to think of scenarios to help meet those dreams rolling further than where they you know. I'd like a family. One dad like set up a studio and have this legacy extends beyond my lifetime. You know And we'll keeps me going in the morning is knowing that you know every day above ground is a blessing and i. You know how you feel today and it's always the same thing every day of both bound is a blessing because you get twenty five dollars to be the person that you want to be making the changes that you want and you know. Turn from their state she did the other day and not doom again. Or you know try to do differently for different outcome or something but like you know gets me going in the morning mister. Because i don't know what the next twenty four hours will hole might be something great. It might be something that i need to learn from it. Might you know might get fired tomorrow. Who knows but it's always the journey of life and beauty as that his songs you wake up and one live in that time then you can enjoy you. You get to go after that. Mr you get up the morning you don't know if a burns gonna shit on us lionel round flying away or something and you don't you don't know if you're going to meet the person of your dreams go your dreams the dreams whatever you don't know if you're gonna have the most delectable gastronomic experience in your life until you get up and get out and i think that's the thing i think is really Important and i think it's really nice that you look at things and that kind of manner blake. Anna like life is to be lived and it's blessing. It's a blessing literally showman. That best. why. My work isn't always consistent. Like you can definitely spot certain characteristics. That always hold the work but really. The work is based on the environment environment. Whatever the work's done it'd be said if this happiest happy as brightest bright. It's that's life. You know what i'm saying. I think people you know like when you go to aaa you get the same thing every time it. It doesn't disappoint you in. It doesn't really blow your mind away but he really just just hit the random but or something and it's just i whatever the bowl and you know you might like this combination better you might not you know what i'm saying to be live yet and a big piece of is accessibility. Or what have you but doing things. That are real. Because we you mentioned that certain chipotle scenario right. I you talk to certain people. I'm i'm more of an eclectic in division. I get the vibe that you are as well and i'll talk to people say yeah i'm gonna get tacos you know. We're recording this. On a tuesday. And i was like and they're not meet man out a chicken steak and i was like What i'm going to get on air. Now it's like. I guess i'll get cactus today and i had i had a cactus taco. You know what i mean and people look at me. Real side is. I didn't think i was getting up in the morning. I was going to have cactus cheese and you know nice delicious situation. It was it was different. It was unique. And i could say i've had that experience in it. Felt like i'm a crap shoot kind of person it's like i'm not gonna make a big thing and not enjoy myself because they don't have one little thing that i want. I didn't know i was going to have that that day. And now i can say. I've had cactus and i can go with that knowledge to another experience in the future and say you know what. Let me get chicken and cactus as switch up. I mean honestly. I gave bum. I went vegetarian man. It started the year. So it's been a transition to like three train yourself kind of eat because i fucked up some bologna lie. You know high b. o. l. o. Like it was pepsi potato. Braise american cheese and baloney lake. That was for two weeks and now you know what. I'm saying here bro. You know some guy go you know you just kind of looked at me sideways. So he's more jack in your life in a few less carbs more jacquards. So hey you work for big fruit. What's going on here. I changed like well. I do like to run on occasion. Well that's gonna stop shut out front of yellow running. It's like yeah. I don't stay too long in too clumsy to run like i'm six four and i have terrible knees. I've always had terrible knees. I a couple of minutes and not across country guy. I give you a few minutes. That's what's real for me not my a couple of minutes. What's real forbid. I'm the one minute. I'm the running equivalent of a one minute man so it makes sense. I i read that your word you you touched on two aims to your work aims to show and capture something real those imperfections emotional layers and in human life charon and Shared the importance of authenticity in photography. Authenticity will be timeless It won't be a you remember like a last year so when everybody was going into life homegoods until we taken the sodas in the flower. I'll like fads fazal coming just like fashion but the timeless images that you see that the tested time from when they first have been at the camera until now come with a certain level law positive tests need that this image will never be able to recruit be recreated him and although literally none of these images that you take will ever one hundred percent be recreated by somebody else. It's the flavor that comes with. It is unique in itself so authenticity to me is the ability to literally in the moment and catch it at. Just that moment will never come again I think that's file. i hope. Ask the question legit. Come do a poetry too much. You being you. Being light skinned poetic. I like it when my is right. That's funny that's funny. The beige wave. Who or what are your photographic in non-photographic influences speak on that a little bit like maybe maybe they aren't the same as they were Maybe look at it from that angle. What were they maybe in the past and are they now maybe to show that maturation potentially marijuana number one on just be honest. What you got you know. This is about getting to the truth either. Say if. I don't think i would be the personal artists that i am In the artistic sense or really. Just as a person. If i didn't experience now one and i know that sounds very. Maybe doesn't sound to win. Now this is not as who is it was back in the day. But when i started smoking i looked at the world told elite different men because of that viewpoint was able to almost be objectives. Visitor nine no to pulled in any one way. I just kind of let the take me. So marijuana's definitely big fluid as far as visually photographer. Sean champion a work is always inspired me and always strive to be like her up. Mike john obviously he was a very big influence target griffin. He's another cinematographer from baltimore maryland. One of the upcoming ot's honest. I think he's stumbled. One comes to you know just capturing black essence no definitely mid late ninety spike lee like around mobile blue spike lee. Alfred hitchcock at music man. Like a roy ayers is definitely a big A lot of chessman. Whatever reason that kind of music transcends when you start smoking we rely on it but like it as it has always been devoted. The most important influences to mine are stressful helps Take the mood out of tone. You here in your head. Nobody else here but if you are five into the same track of course you are not your head at different beat or different. Pays for this all on the same rhythm saying i used to. I used to look at Marijuana in two different ways. I used to look at it as it's a it's a means of being mindful depending on really how to agree you're imbibing and what type of thinker you are at all of that also look at it as a portal. What have you. Maybe both of those kind of our layer together the mindfulness and puerto aspect but able to tap into something. And you're able to see like like different things. Or what have you if you know some people they get they get lazy and they don't wanna do anything but i think for certain brands who creatives in i think creatives in a more macro sense they imbibe in low something or have you can have really long deep conversations about just that creative process or does you might see something in within your creative process that oh i'm seeing it differently now in it might be something. That's worth journaling right of like all right when i'm doing this. Shoot this type of shoot or this type of layout. And i maybe had a little into colour hybrid or something to my system and that was different than when i didn't nor when i had a sativa or or even some hash or something on those lines like how does that differ. And do i feel like i'm more creative. 'cause you touched on youtube channel and dez right and you know you'll you'll go back and you'll you'll listen to like music and like i washed coltrane documentary and okay. You were on a few different things or have your even you know. What is the thing where they able to tap into something. And it's like the drugs had some influence. Maybe amplify that talent. That's naturally there and it's not to say that they don't have the talent immediate as a crush because obviously did a lot of them. Don't you hear people with their criticism sometime. Say when the drugs were they in the music different especially when it comes to that donna. I totally agree. is a good example man. I'm a big liangelo fanatic. I think the angeles one the best artists out here on his out flu hit me. Just in a way sonically. It was considered sonically. Perfect out And it's up there with like marvin gaye song mckee alive for something. But when i got high listen voted for the first time is like it's like a movie national treasure when you had the glasses and on the map it was like a if you put the glasses certain ways to cope with the glasses of different ways in different young. When i got hired listened to food it was whatever. There's just point my life. Rogers needed to hear it and he was just he was talking like to me and i it was. It was really weird. And then i'll go back and listen to other albums high. And it's like damn. It was freely token to me and and not to be like in a selfish sense of it but like it just it resonated with my soul that much more may because i was in you know in any state that allow myself to be open to it more but it was just it was. It was a totally different vibe and also. I don't know if you've ever listened to if you listen to songs like chapman strewed or similar slow you've listened to those hindsight's you understand it. I can't it's hard to explain but it's like no. I used to get into a very interesting place in terms of discovery of music. When i was out there. That was really big part of my life like we're we're talking at a part of ten years ago at this juncture. But i was just getting sued. Just johnnie walker. We johnnie walker we with johnnie walker texas ranger. It was wild. And i was listening to like just kind of things that would be considered of more experimental for my aesthetic right so listening to like rat-a-tat listening to management layer early management. Mgm and to just a few other bands kind of fall outside at around that lean a little bit more to alternative but there is musicianship there and i would just be like dipped into it. It's not even looking at the length of the songs. Just like damn. I've played this album like five times today and the black keys will be another one. That would pop up. And it's like. I've just been a looping album and i'm not looking for what i would normally look for you know during those times and looking for you know. Wow so yes our allophones on this track when you get on there and you would inherit. At least i would think. I would inherit something because i've been podcast. I was podcasting during that time. So my approach to some of the stuff i was doing. I was broadening my creative like outlook on things of like all right. Let's do snippets. let's do little skits. Let's do sketches. Let's do different things. Outside of just the normal conversation would have been covering the news and things like that at some extra value there and just something. That's just it might feel a little less it. Maybe this is a high thought but it was something that we wanted to do with me. And my co host and A lot of it comes from weed and kind of looking at different creators and what they were doing specifically music. I feel now distant touch on that. But it's funny. You mentioned that you the first time i got really high I was with a friend. And i got uncontrollably. High to a point where it was like pretty much levitated from body And that's a long. We can definitely talk about that. You know another time or something. But like i pretty much had a out of body experience and i witnessed my physical form a long story short once. I got connected. Connect the my spiritual self back to my physical form. There was a song playing in the background. Echoes by pink. Floyd and it was like it. Just it just arrest me and it kinda helped guide myself back. So whenever i listened to that song i get. It's very warm feeling like because i was here before. It has a very special moment. But also i think the idea of marijuana opening up these alternative things is that most of the artists got high like there was a whole people smoke like they call it jazz kaddish from They wanted to outlaw because it was making the black artist even better. You know what i'm saying. It was it was just a whole political but marijuana has always been a part of the creative process for a lot of the brilliant minds out here and i kind of envy. Artists like kendrick lamar. Whatever who don't meet wants to get into that trance state. But even experimented with it. At some point you know to other negative and or you know have transcended the need from one you know but it definitely went for for me it. It definitely kinda puts met eased as long as. I'm not overloaded with a lot of people but oftentimes it really just kind of connects me with people too much and you start thinking about things that you shouldn't be thinking about in his. I is this person's by bright light. I'm high or is it and then it's like you know you're like amplifies your gut feeling and now gut feeling a sensor that stunned. Just kinda reverberate out. Yeah it. I think it enables you to. I think in many respects connect with the truth in a s. I'd like to not need marijuana. I definitely enjoy it. I definitely enjoy having parts. I guess we'll my entity is after the crash process. But i and i think i think it's a key thing to look at it and see what it does for you and and how it contributes to what that creative process is and for me. I used to have it as a part of if i'm going to do something that some people may consider irresponsible is it's how you view it is up to you as a personal thing right. So that's the way i would look at it and you know i would make sure i did something that felt really productive while i was doing it. So it's like. I am not going to go out in public and be like super so i'm going to suited. I'm going to be in a crib. And i'm probably going to work on podcast. I might come up with some questions. That'll put me in a different space to be more brought my thinking or even maybe just do some editing with it and it would be you know. Be something now. Like i can really put this into my process instead of making it feel like you know. Why are you doing this. You're you're wasting something. So lastly is the last question before we get to shameless plugs from a photographer's perspectives. Describe baltimore your baltimore's the essence of building the plane while you fly from a strategic perspective it is untapped potential with you know only a decent percentage of the actually converting to actual. You know. I don't know opposite of potential but connecticut energy. I don't know. And i don't want to say that in a negative way i think baltimore's the is a is a bold mind as far as artistry created And you know being a true artist. But i think it also has limitations as far as the fruit that it can bear for you how you can live in there and ns just because of historically held baltimore's retreat in the media Politically with red lining and and the business structures and you know the loss of large communities. You know ronald reagan. Nixon with crack. You know that was. I mean it was almost like it's it's programmed to have instead of the potential energy or connecticut energy. it's almost like stagnate or or this energy if you will. I don't know if this stagnant. I think it it some i think it. I think it's the old black man that you know. That's too proud to go see a therapist even though you know. He has some issues as working out. No but he you know he's still functions accordingly but when he does go see the therapist everything gets better and i think baltimore has been finally letting those of some of its pride and going to see that there is an dr out good and you can see the results on the back. I dig it. That's that's legit. It's absolutely legit because You know as you start saying these things you see opportunities being put out there but it's still this notion of scarcity and you know with all of the other things that are kind of baked into what makes up a city right. That's one of the things i try to do is make the conversation. Seem like baltimore's unique in its ways but also is similar to any other large city and it has any of the things that has some of the unsavory. Things has some of the really culturally impactful. Unique things that are here. And i think there's always just too much focus on it and it's not always the of the people here. Some of these things have just been rigged as you touched on earlier. Reagan relayed all different stuff to be this way you know having a infrastructure. That's as old as it is. And you know things of that nature and way these things are kind of targeted people. Still thrive as e regardless in spite of these things. And what always look for is for those ones that you know a little on them get little sun on them. Or what have you what you. What are you doing to to improve these things. That's what always before. My improvement is mine into the city is an improvement to myself. I i hope to create an image for me and the people that decide to surround myself with the ones around themselves. Hawaiian and i'd like to make image of black positively plaques creativity And just general. I guess what i'm doing see. That's that's a good question Honestly i guess with my ardent empowered to trying to say better now but honestly it comes down to change any capital and you're gonna need agent network so for me to do the small scale stuff of building my business and reputation in a line while align myself with if they have the same you know ideas and and and and bowls. I think that's how. I i do my part to change. But it's not just a single person can do it. I think a single person could be a figurehead. But you know the thing figure it is that you know they can change or try to destroyed but i think if a group of people which i have seen and been apart of making massive change or just opening doors or whatever wanna say opening doors giving new opportunities to the younger and older generation that is pow baltimore can change its image and also it just comes down to what we allowed to be portrayed in media by what we allow our image to be like most cats only know baltimore from crack the wire this a more. That is this. This allowed for import jazz history. Culturally visual hitch history. That's been here History is his amazing gets gets wiped away way too often. I think conversations like i think this podcast or podcast like there's in conversations and just people putting together the community really kinda puts forth in effort to disprove the narrative. That's what i think is value in is like yes i saying. Oh we're going to act like none of this exists now. We're going to do our effort. I think to disprove show that there's not one hundred percent that so in that. That's all the questions. I have so now. Tom shamelessly plug so social media all of that. Good stuff where can he check you out and thank you so much for being on a pockets. Hey i'm very appreciative for you to have me on. We have plenty more conversations in the future. It's definitely i just like talking number one and listening especially if talking about my city and the things have gone around absolutely but You can find me on instagram Wavy w. v. e. y. With four underscores. I check my website is www dot wavy w. a. dot me At app released my first short film back in december Asong youtube liquor for water I'm working on drafting a live album soon with local artists Look for that should be dropping in august and yeah just you know if you seeming wave you know i wanna be loved to jeez. The city get active. Really look for you. Young black people out here shooting doing because they're gonna be. They're the ones that are going to carry the legacy. Anki baltimore laugh so you gotta be selfless out here and if you have something to give the you know you gotta give you know. I think that's that's important absolutely so thank you. Thank you for being on the podcast. And i'll do my sign off so for for for waiting for david way the anderson. I'm rob lee sanitize art around baltimore. Just gotta look for it.

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Wed. 06/30 - Why 1980s Nostalgia Films Won't Die

Kottke Ride Home

18:17 min | 4 months ago

Wed. 06/30 - Why 1980s Nostalgia Films Won't Die

"You can do anything with an app order. Groceries see faraway friends and with thumb tack. You can even fix up your house. Thumb tacks the app that finds local pros for you. It shows you prices reviews and when they're available in a few taps you can find a great plumber cleaner painter pretty much anyone so fix that broken sake get that accent wall handle your home projects the same way you do everything else with an app download thumb tack today. Welcome to the county. Ride home for wednesday june thirtieth twenty twenty one jackson bird what's with the ongoing trend of horror films and tv shows being set in the nineteen eighties. These sunscreen worse in the united states compared to europe and one of the sports returning to the olympics. Next month has a deadly president. Here are some of the cool things from the news today. Starting most popularly with stranger things in two thousand sixteen it certainly began before that. The horror and sci fi genre has been riding a wave of nineteen eighties nostalgia. That just won't let up. After stranger things. We got to knew it adaptations uptake. There were less popular movies. Like summer of eighty four than than ryan murphy hopped on the bandwagon by setting season. Nine of american horror story in nineteen eighty four now. Netflix is continuing the nostalgia. Train by releasing a trilogy of movies called fear. Streets based on rl stein's novels of the same name for older teenage readers than his goosebumps series and those three movies. The first which premieres this friday each take place in a different year. Nineteen seventy eight. Nineteen ninety four and sixteen sixty six but all follow the same story and are centered around the same town net setting aside the sixteen sixty six installment you get a full dose of eighties adjacent nostalgia from the other two when you watch the trailer and personally. I can't wait to watch these fear street movies because i may total sucker for eighties films old or new then based on the unending rush of eighties period films especially in the horror genre. I know i'm not alone. But is it so popular. Well one of the most obvious and underlying reasons for this is simply that a lot of the filmmakers at the helm right now grew up in the eighties. If you're a gen xer who wants to make a movie about what to you. Feels like the most quintessential time of childhood or adolescence. You'll probably go back to your own. Which was in the nineteen eighties. And considering how many people in the prime consumer age range also either grew up then or just missed it and think it's pretty cool. It makes sense that it would be popular you. People enjoy the pop culture references. The old product placement the sense of humor the fashion and when a current movie set in the eighties tries to return to the old school special effects instead of relying on. Cgi even better but mara bachman writing in screen rant. Last summer also argues that the eighties were by far the best decade for horror films. Bachman points to the expansiveness of the genre in that decade and the splintering into sub genres. Now it started being taken more seriously up until about nineteen ninety six when scream hammered the nail in the coffin of pure horror and paved the way for satire critique and what one could maybe even call the more recent prestige horror movies like get out mid somare so if you wanna play on any of the pure horror tropes if you want. Pay homage to some of the horror classics the ones that defined the genre. You'd probably be riffing on a film made in the eighties. But there's another related reason. They're part of what made the eighties so full of horror movies at the time why it's such a good period to set horror films in general and why it's so popular right now in particular quoting bachman screen rant. Some of the popularity of the nineteen eighties setting can be blamed on nostalgia and the desire for seemingly simpler time in life more often. It's based on interest in historical events. That occurred at the time such as satanic panic and serial killers from that decade to especially popular examples of this are richard ramirez in the night stalker and jeffrey dahmer. The decade itself was filled with real life horror and by utilizing it. As a plot device it elevates the terror of any film or television series and quotes. Horror historian dr johnnie walker a senior lecturer in media at northumbria university and author of the upcoming rewind replay britain and the video boom told the guardian quote horror has always been socially aware and engaged as a genre it hinges on shock and well horror because of that and because it's so inherently visceral. It's fertile ground for exploring confrontational divisive issues and quotes and this is now building on yesterday's segment about a post. Brexit wave of bands that sonically totally are reminiscent of the nineteen eighties. Post-punk era lyrically emotionally response to the perceived repressive politics and cultural shifts. Alex gun-free writing yesterday in the guardian says quote today has largely been in era of populist right-wing governments globally and that chimes with earlier iterations of conservatism. Certainly with thatcher and reagan a case in point sensor in upcoming horror by the welsh director. No bailey bond about a traumatized film censor it set in nineteen eighty five britain at the height of the hysteria around video. Nasties many of which were banned and quote a quick note from me for anyone out of the loop video nasties refers to low budget or homemade videotapes often depicting or accused of depicting violent or salacious contents. Outrage about the obscenity ultimately led to the video recording act of nineteen eighty-four which had even stricter regulations than for films that were played in the cinema. The controversy and usage as a cultural debate and scapegoat was not unlike what happened with the pm. Rc or parents music resource center and tipper gore's implementation of the parental advisory labels here in the states. The same time anyway. Back to godfrey in the guardian quote mid eighties britain under thatcher says horror historian walker was horrendous for many people and while the moral panic was awful for the horror industry it created a thriving community of genre fans censored plays with that dichotomy with what was grim about the eighties. But also the excitement that surrounded the video nasties panic for the adolescents. Sharing pirate videos in the schoolyard. This he says speaks to why horror is so effective at investigating history. Whether it's sensor or stranger things making a meal of conspiracies and cover ups the foundations of the genre. The troops are able to be re purposed he says because inevitably in different epochs there will be governments doing shady things and with that dynamic horror is able to flourish. because it's got something to sink. Its teeth into when you put video nasties on the front of a newspaper. It's a distraction tactic telling people not to be scared of imminent unemployment's but a video cassettes the eighties or so often dismissed as consumerism. But the movie censor takes that superficial veneer and digs deeper scraping back. The mtv generation gloss and quotes conspiracy theories cultural divisions critiques. About how much. And what we consume and whether it's distracting us from taking action or from the truth than what the truth even is definitely sounds relevant to our current time as well and godfrey concludes quote. The eighties and nineties are perfect. Fodder for contemporary horror providing nostalgia as well as a context that speaks perhaps to where we have ended up today. These are passionate tributes to their directors childhoods but dealing in fractured dreams. Good horror always finds the truth and quotes. Honestly i see this even in the twenty twenty documentary action park about the faded amusement waterpark. In new jersey that led to several deaths and thousands of injuries over the years. I've mentioned the park a few times on this show and the documentary that came out on. Hbo max last summer is one of my favorite recent releases and one reason that i like it so much is because the first half of the movie is former action park attendees employees laughing about how wild and dangerous. The park was reminiscing about incidents parties. And then the tone changes to one of reckoning with the harm caused and by the end you've got all these gen xers most notably. Chris get they're talking about how the way they were raised. Kind of sucked and you have to either look at it with rose colored glasses or supremely dark sense of humor or else it would just be too tough to stomach. Ni- see that in the horror films and tv series coming out now. They're set in the eighties in that sense of and wonder violently slashed away by the stark realities of the world. It might be particularly well illustrated by that era then in some ways particularly parallel to aspects of the socio political climate. Right now. but it's really just a great metaphor for adolescents overall and. I think that's why it works so well and why. This trend of nineteen eighties period. Horror like the invincible. Mike myers just won't die. We're all in a transitional period of life right now some more than others. If you're getting ready to make some major purchases or just looking to back on track it can help to have a better handle on your financial situation. Credit karma helps. You proceed with confidence credit. 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It's currently ninety seven degrees fahrenheit here in new york city with a heat index of one. Oh three so. I think it's safe to say that summer is well and truly here and while i won't be spending any time outside today. Summer is always good. Time to load up on extra sunscreen. And today i stumbled on an article. That now has me questioning. How good my sunscreen actually is especially here in the us. Do you remember several years ago. When every sunscreen brand suddenly started advertising with the words broad spectrum. That's because in two thousand eleven. The us food and drug administration introduced rules around that term. Here's what they said. Mcewen a at the time quote prior rules on sunscreens dealt almost exclusively with protection against sunburn which is primarily caused by ultraviolet b or uv radiation from the sun and did not address ultraviolet a or uva radiation which contributes to skin cancer in early skin aging after reviewing latest science fda determined that sufficient data are available to establish a broad spectrum test for determining a sunscreen products uva protection passing the broad spectrum tests shows that the product provides uva protection that is proportional to its uv protection and quotes so basically broad spectrum protects against both uva and uv rays which is great but discover magazine. Points out that this is but one example of how stringent the oversight of sunscreens is here in the us where they're treated like an over the counter medication. Meanwhile in european union sunscreen is classified as cosmetic so in contrast to their cheese and chocolates. For which the eu has way stricter rules than the us. Does they're actually more lax about their sunscreen. Being strict on something like sunscreen may sound good but discover magazine argues. It's actually beginning to limit us in our choices and keep us from some of the advances that other countries have been implementing take for example uv filters. It takes a lot longer for new active ingredients that act as you've filters to get approved in the us versus in the e. u. or some other nations and some dermatologists suggests were falling behind other nations. Who have better more effective sunscreens and returning to the matter of broad spectrum. This is one place where the eu is actually stricter. They have higher standards. That sunscreen has to meet in order to be labeled broad spectrum in the. Us hours might actually be too low of a bar. According to cover in two thousand seventeen researchers put this possibility to the test by analyzing the uv blocking ability of twenty sunscreens for sale in the us though nineteen of the twenty products for sale met us standards for broad spectrum only eleven met european standards and quotes the fda has been working on trying to expedite the approvals process and in two thousand eighteen labeled a few new active ingredients that have been in use in other nations as generally recognized as safe. But there's still a long list of other ones just waiting to be approved before they can make it into the bottle of sunscreen that we purchase here in the us. I've got a bottle of sunscreen from a pre brexit trip to london. That's been sitting in my bathroom on used for awhile and starting to look better and better as an option. I spoke recently about my excitement around one of the new sports making. Its debut at the tokyo olympics next month skateboarding. but it's just one of six new sports making their debut or triumphant return. The returning sports are baseball and softball and the new ones are skateboarding as well as karate. Surfing and sport climbing only sport climbing is kind of a returning sport as well back around the turn of the twentieth century. Alpine climbing was an event in the winter olympics. Also called albinism. It was named an official sport in eighteen. Ninety four but the first award wasn't handed out until nineteen twenty four at the first ever winter olympics in france. It wasn't so much a sport that spectators would go see in conjunction with the rest of the olympic games. As it was in honor bestowed on people who had achieved great feats in mountaineering. Recently the first medal went to the team of the nineteen twenty to mount everest expedition. The first focused effort to reach the top or at least the first made headlines around the world though. They didn't actually ever make it to the top it marks. The first and only time in olympic medal has been awarded to a multinational team according to mental floss. Unfortunately a large number of the team who had gone on that expedition mostly sherpas had died in the attempt and george mallory. One of the main mountaineers died shortly after the award was announced on another everest attempt of his luton. Edward strutt deputy leader on the expedition accepted the medal on the teams behalf and vowed to one day. Take the medals to the summit of everest. But he never did make it either. Further alpine climbing medals were awarded the nineteen thirty two and nineteen thirty six games but the alpine climbing metal did not return when the olympics did following world war two in part due to the international olympic. Committee's concerns with encouraging sport. In which so. Many of the medals had to be awarded posthumously. They did handed out once. More though at the nineteen eighty-eight calgary winter games. Reinhold messner and jersey kukushka were given silver medals for climbing fourteen of the world's eight thousand meter peaks and as a nice footnote ahead of the london olympic games in two thousand twelve. British mountaineer kenton. Cool got in touch with the grandson of one of the original mountaineers on that nineteen twenty two expedition in order to fulfil lieutenant struts. Promise that one of the gold medals were awarded be taken to the summit of mount everest and thanks to cool. It finally was hopefully the return of climbing to the olympics. This year will be sufficiently less fatal though. I will say if they wanna keep adding sports baron. Pierre de cooper ten the first ac- president and man responsible for bringing back the olympics in eighteen ninety four did originally envision that the games would include feats of aeronautics for which a medal was awarded at the nineteen thirty six games. So maybe it's time for a comeback. All right well. That isn't for today as always this show was produced by ride home. Media and cocky dot org. I jackson bird and i will talk to you again tomorrow.

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Ep. 664 David Othenin-Girard | Get US Market Ready With Italian Wine People

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Ep. 664 David Othenin-Girard | Get US Market Ready With Italian Wine People

"Thanks for tuning into my new show get. Us market ready with italian wine. I'm steve ray author of the book how to get. Us market ready and in my previous podcast. I shared some of the lessons. I've learned from thirty years in wine and spirits business helping brands enter in grow in the us market. This series will be dedicated to the personalities who have been working in the italian wine sector us their experiences challenges and personal stories owen. Cover the roads that they walked shedding light on current trends business strategies and their unique grants. Hi everybody italian. Wine podcast celebrates its fourth anniversary this year. And we all love the great content. They put out everyday changing with italian. Wine people has become a big part of our day and the tomb in verona needs to feel our love producing. The show is not easy folks hurting all those hosts getting either views dropping the clubhouse recordings not dimension editing all the material. Let's give them a tangible fan hug with a contribution to all their costs had to italian wine. Podcast dot com and click. Donate to show your love. Hi this is steve ray. And welcome to this week's show today. I'm very pleased to have as a guest Someone who is now becoming an old friend in the business. Most people know him as david. Og is formal name that his parents gave him. As david oath an-and gerard and he's the spirits buyer at cannell. Before i go on further for you is that your title spurs buyer. Yeah that's perfect absolutely. Yeah and for those of you. Who are not familiar with. Caianello is a very unique group of stores with two retail outlets in southern california one in northern california. It's the precise opposite to northern california one in southern. I knew just testing the paying attention kennel for those listeners. Who are not familiar with. It is a very unique in well. Regarded chain with two stores in northern california at one in southern california. The one in so cal on hollywood and vine or close to the corner. But we'll let david talk more about that in a moment so david welcome to the show. Thanks for having me steve. It's really a pleasure to be here. Give us a little background on you when you got to be in the wine and spirits industry and then we can jump into kml. Yeah pretty straightforward story. You know graduated college with a economics degree. I had no desire to us. And you know everybody always said do what you love and my parents wanted me to get a job and so i applied for a couple of you know. Sales type. Things from various retailers ended up getting a job in the events planning department at a famous los angeles wine shop called walhi's and Yeah so we were doing the you know. We're doing bars and stuff for for big corporate events and parties and catering and all this stuff and wine is my first love. So i started in the business wanting to be you know. A sommelier or to be wind buyer and i was very young. I was maybe twenty twenty one or twenty two when i got my first job in the industry and very quickly realized that while everyone around me new is huge amount about wine very few of these very knowledgeable wine people time this is two thousand four or five knew anything about spirits or very just the most vague passing information. And this is you know well before the spirits boom of the last decade obviously and a lot more interest in the category in general. But you know. I'd have these master song. Pin wearing gentlemen come in and you know and and point to the froyo and ask me you know these same guys who jumped down your throat if you mispronounce butter more rochet but you know mispronounced. You know the la- roy egg. It's quite hotel. Whoa yeah exactly. It's quite a it's quite smokey isn't it and she's like. Oh my god is from iss. Lay rightish like okay. You know i. I was twenty two. I was interested in whiskey. Because i like to drink it and so i researched it and learn about it because i just had nothing to do with my life so and you're interested in it too exactly and so i. I realized quite early. That was a good niche in in the business for me and folks started focusing on spirits. And because i was doing the bars you know started getting the cocktail thing and trying lots of different spirits and their spirits buyer left. And i was doing the most in the category and they let me jump in there and i just went straight down the rabbit hole tasting every single thing. I could get in front of me. Lots of single malts bourbons cognac. Armagnac grappa just everything and transition. Few years later to kennel just came in. Actually his wine sales in the same thing happened. The spirits buyer left and and my partner at the time david driscoll in charge of the category and we built it from a tiny little portion of the store to you. Know the second largest category right now. for them arguably depending on the month interesting so you joined the company and then the spurs fire left is that cause or effect no. I'm not sure. I was certainly wasn't the spirits buyer left at the time. Start her own store. So no i guess. It was totally separate. She went and started a little convenience. Start wine shop whiskey store in her hometown and just lucky timing. I guess okay so now. Let's talk about caianello It's it's kind of hard for me to describe coming from the east coast because we don't really have anything like it here but kinda give us a profile of what kennel is all about. Who you service. How you service. What products you carry. So yeah. i mean can't kennel. You know it's been around for some time. Not the oldest one shop in the country but the general model is sell the best stuff at the best possible price and we were very early adopters for the e commerce. You know the the. The website launched mid nineties quite quite early before anybody was even thinking about selling stuff online and we we specialize certainly in omaha me aboard. Oh we were one of the first ones to really to really start doing that. Pre arrival thing and do it well and that attracted you know high quality high interest buyers across the country and certainly in california and then of course our proximity to napa. That's always been a huge part of our our portfolio is highlighting the great producers of of that region and from there. We sort of expanded realizing that. There's a lot of great wine out there. That's not being represented here. We you know we started to you know. Do it ourselves a little bit. You know getting get. Obviously you know we. We can't be imports or we're finding various wineries connecting with them and bringing them in through our import partners and and the result is a really diverse portfolio of special wineries you know across the world and specific buyers very knowledgeable staff who are creating content around the unique and exclusive products. And so as as interesting if can simplify it and call it. An exclusive label strategy but different from the concept of exclusive label as it's commonly defined which is private label in this case. You really talking massachusetts samples that you guys go out find source and figure out ways to bring them in so that the selection that somebody would say cannell is very very different from what they would see in any other traditional store for lack of a bad work absolutely and we'll have unique things but not unique to us obviously there will be sold elsewhere in the world. Even you know in other markets in this country but you know we'll take positions on things and work directly with wineries to get great pricing an offer to our customers. So that's sort of the model. Is this you know of course still have the blue chip the classics that the diverse category. It's not only stuff that we're bringing ourselves or directly but that is the sort of core mission is to to highlight because in the end you know a lot of these small producers for medium size or even small importer when we're talking fifty or sixty cases available you know that's a lot of work to build a brand and get it out there and now you're shipping a case to this or that restaurant and you know it's like what is it really worth their time and money so you know for us. Fifty cases is great. That's that's easy to get through between three stores and online operation but for small importer. That's a lot of work for not that much return and for the big guys. It's just a silly. So i think we've taken advantage of that and been able to connect with a lot of fairly high quality small producers in in all sorts of marketing. And that's really what i did with. The spirits was to start to say what you know. We haven't really done this before. Okay let's go to scotland. Let's go to france. Let's go to kentucky. Let's go find stuff that nobody else has. And you know. Bring that model to this category. So who is the customer. I mean you're living in los angeles. I've only been in the los angeles store. And it's it's not huge. It's not tiny like new york store but it's not huge. Imagine the stores up in northern cal or similar. Probably what three thousand four thousand square feet something like that. San francisco is quite a bit bigger. The redwood city stories pretty tight a large warehouse area but yeah not range. I have do you having that kind of diverse assortment with limited retail space. And then where are you with warehousing of just your own stock. So we have an offsite warehouse. Where we're doing a huge amount of fulfillment. The retail space is small ish but not tiny it so we were able to fit. You know several thousand skews into each location and then the other trick is we offer free transfers between our stores not every location has the exact same overlay. So we're have trucks going back and forth between the stores refrigerated transport end so you can order a bottle in san francisco. That's on the shelf. In hollywood and three to five days later it shows up and good to go. So that's that's part of the way we're able to expand the selection and then you have buyers in each store so we have people you know sort of catering to the local market somewhat and san francisco drinks differently from from hollywood. And and certainly from redwood city and so there is that and i think that's part of why our e commerce platform has been so successful. Is that sometimes it's difficult to connect with people electronically and what you really want with wine because it's like any product you want someone to tell you that you're making the right choice and someone you trust because it's not just about how it tastes house looks and how how it's going to age in the cellar and they're so much more to it than just you know ninety points you know because everything needs to be ninety points or else we're not even talking about points. Yeah you know. I think that having that front facing the storefront has has really improved our ability to sell online. Ps people build the relationship in the store and then they trust us online and then they see the faces of the people they know in the store reviewing the winds online and then they come and pick up their wines and then they come in and talk to us and by more wine and so it's it's a relationship but it's it all hinges around this idea of trust and quality and that's really what we're all about so so let's back up a bit and explorer the stores very different the way you go about supplying your sources very different. My suspicion is that the customer base is going to be different than you just described that. It's different for each store. But how do they in aggregate differ from people who shop at you know the the supermarkets in california or you know. Abc in florida. Or yeah i mean. We're we're really focused on we're niche. We're not oh boutique. Wine store per se. But it's a very niche stores or offering the top tier of stuff of course their stuff under ten dollars foldable stuff for sure but we're definitely targeting customers who care about what they're drinking in a more complete way than you know someone who's grabbing a bottle of soviet blah the bottom shelf at a supermarket you know. We want people who are engaged with what they're drinking and seeking out the best and that of course comes with you. Know you put you put the great bordeaux's and burgundies and brunello zain barolle on the shelf and those guys show up if you've got a decent price like that's easy what's more interesting is taking people who are wind curious and making them into great customers who care about wine and come to you for guidance. Because you've opened them up to this whole world you know. I think part of something that i didn't like about the wine world and to be honest. This is even worse than scotch when i first started. Was you know this idea that you know the people who sell it have the knowledge and you as the consumer are lucky to even get a part of it you know and so we're willing to give you a a window into this world that you're not really part of but if you spend enough money you can poke your head in and you know that that may have been true. When information wasn't completely available to anybody ubiquitous. Nowadays anybody can be an expert on any particular topic not not to say like you know. There isn't great amounts of knowledge and huge and the need for someone to curate that knowledge. Which is what we do but ultimately that whole style. It's really a marketing choice of saying okay. We have the knowledge. And we'll let you in but you know you need to pay your dues. That's totally gone and it's not effective anymore because that's not the way people like to be treated. You know we want to be inclusive and we wanna we wanna spread the love and the knowledge and that's that's really what we're after. Thanks so consumers one of my pet peeves if you will but also In what i teach in lecture in talk about is a marketing as as radically changed and not just because of covert. But you know in the old days. We used to identify or differentiate or segment customers based on demographics which is a meaningless relatively meaningless metric. Behavior is a much better predictor of shooter activity. And you're talking with an serving customers who don't fit into any traditional categories. That behavior dominates who they are more than anybody else. And it seems to me that the marketing that you guys do and particularly the the lists of current customers that you do and the kind of information you send out to them with the spirits journal newsletter and some of those things it. It's it's an entirely different way of retailer marketing than any other store that i know of in the country a yeah. I wouldn't disagree with that. I think that's you know an and of course you know listen. We attract lots of high net worth individuals because we're putting out incredible quality products. But i think you know you know young people especially nowadays. They're starting to become more aware of what they consume and the label. The brand essentially. It's brands are more or less dead. In terms of you know yes. They're still people coming in. You know. Johnnie walker johnnie walker black. You know. that's what we want. We don't talk johnnie walker black so you can either leave or or i can offer you something similar and those people are out there but not young. I mean the young people. Maybe they know a couple of labels and they'll say they'll say like oh. I want cuss amigos. Or i want these big label. That i've seen but if you say hey this is. This is more interesting. This is. This is more authentic. This is more traditional. This is more old school. They're like done whereas a lot of the old time consumers are like ma nineteen forty two were bust like. I'll just go somewhere else. So i think they're. The demographics are are such that the marketplace is changing and people are more open to try new things and brand loyalty in you know in in all effect is in at least in my world is more or less dead and so you know well. Of course she's still popular brands. Yeah i mean. Of course it's all about quality now. What matters nowadays is is is the high quality products of course again. I'm speaking for the niche. You know the niche market. The the people who are again who are thinking a little bit more. I would object to that quality matters. Yes quality matters. But i think in the world we live in today certainly on the side wines where production methodology and technology can play such a role particularly in california with things like spinning cones. Remember reverse osmosis and all that kind of stuff. Getting to to produce quality products is almost to give it one. You may like one better than another but while that's critically important it is not solely important and i think the as you said the biggest part is how you tell the story of that quality and how that story resonates with me the consumer and how it's relevant to me. Well i think it depends a lot on your definition of quality. Just because you're making a sound wine doesn't mean it's a quality wine if we're going to get into it now. This is good. Go ahead you know. Wine is a product of place and wine without a place is one without a soul. And so i don't really believe in industrial winemaking in the way that you know. Corporate wine production has accepted as the future again. I'm speaking for the minority. The five percent or seven percent of drinkers. Who care most people just want something solid. That's good and it's that smooth or whatever it is this ubiquitous term. That's the only adjective. We have that people use smooth in kind of a meaningless term. I mean the absence of alcohol burn is completely muniz. First of all it means it has nothing to it. Means one thing to one person a totally different thing to another. It's the most useless term but our brains are wired to sort of ask for this because people have had these experience. Wouldn't people really mean is either sweet or you know or easy drink which is fine. You know that. I mean maybe i'm being a little harsh but i do believe it's very very difficult to sell high quality wind high value wine without that story as you describe it and without the the soul. Yeah totally well. That was my point. That is a story behind it. That quality's great okay. But why itself is not. It's necessary but not sufficient right. Yeah i guess my only point is like to me. That isn't quality because if you can't if you're not able to give that whole package and the thing is like god there's so much good high quality wine in the world you know. It's it's incredible that some of the stuff that's out there works at all you know. There's so much so much good wine but and maybe in wine marketing. There's it's a little bit more label driven. I think in the general sense so let's talk a little bit about transient. You brought up italian wines. Obviously his the italian podcast. One of the things that Just last week or this week. I think bulger had this big event look wonderful. Who's this they had like a one-kilometer-long tasting in this row of cyprus. I was not invited just sand. But but what. They've created there in an area. That was just swamps is now the equivalent of bordeaux to the world of cabernet-sauvignon of these nontraditional bland's which know had to be called igt or the lowest level of Qualification in italy because they did meet the definition of everything else so we're seeing innovation. It has taken a long time in italy. But they're doing some really cool things. What's your point of view on what's happening. In the italian wine industry upcoming regions new planning you know indigenous with international varieties and so forth. What what what's happening. what's interesting. Yeah i mean. I think you know one thing that these italian wines can offer is incredible value. Compared to what you're getting out of napa or even bordeaux but for me what's always the most exciting again about italian wine in general is the extreme diversity of wines being offered and honestly even with the incredible amounts of italian wines. That are available. There's still so much out there. Things that i'm seeing every day that i'm just can't believe is new new grape freidel or very old grape varietals. That have just never been sort of marketed. Here and the country. You know unlike france where you have okay. Yeah there's wine making more or less in most places in france not everywhere but you know you have these sort of pockets of quality. Italy almost not everywhere but almost everywhere. There's there's something good being made like very very interesting stuff. And i'ma got team rossio. I'm obsessed with you know this grape. That was almost completely extinct. And now you're seeing via e-e-eddie put out to so and it's just the whole category is changing there and In these these white wines from the lingering coast and from from piemonte and yeah. I mean just so much out there. It's crazy. I i had a bottle of pref- lock sarah al-yom icho last week own rooted. Aleana co from to san francesco and sandy rocky straight into the. You know it's also quite kind of separate from short of the trade routes at the time. So maybe that's why didn't get blown apart. But they are very very unusual soil types and the winds are just incredible. Who else is putting who else. What other country has has own rooted hundred plus year old vines. You know it's just crazy okay. So we're all limited by space and in the case of a bottle of wine or a bottle of spirits. You know there's only so much space on the label for you to tell that story one of the things that i see A dramatic shift back towards is qr codes and also these nf tease the the chips that allow smartphones now to connect the brand with the person who's literally holding the bottle in their hand at the precise moment in time when they're considering buying it. Do you see a Do you see that change towards. Qr codes yes absolutely. I think it's you know it's all about convenience and conveying information. you know. Obviously you can easily google a label in the same way. But there's something very easy about doing that. The qr code thing and particularly you know. I've seen it for new brands. Obviously you don't see a whole lot of the old brands. Rebranding to add a are and that stuff is i think is going to become more important because the way you deliver the information is important and that ease of access is key and now everybody's quite used to five years ago. I was a qr this so stupid. Like why are we even doing this. Can't you just you know. Type it a near thing but now it's everywhere and it sits simple and particularly the last year so people are very very used to it. So yeah i think it's it's going to be important and and i think what will offer also is a way for brands to connect consumers. You're sitting there. You know now it just takes you to the website but you know who knows in the future. it could be more experiential. It could be more. There could be a lot more to it just than just product description and could be connecting directly with consumers. Okay we're running out of time. But i did want to ask one more question on italy. Particularly what's the what's happening in with italian spirits. You know it used to be just gras and now raw. But there's so much more to italy then that what. What do you see coming out of italy. Where do you think. Italian spirits might exceed. Yeah i think it's a really exciting time for italian spirits. Not only because. I think there is very few can argue that we are experiencing at least in this country a a renewed love of bitter things and so the the amaro you know where whereas the american market for for years was considered. Just totally averse to bitterness. We're seeing these traditional bitter repair chiefs and you know and a number of craft producers in both italy in here recreating old recipes creating new recipes that are becoming very popular and i think the amaro thing is here to stay because it's such a diverse and complex. You know it's like gin. Like anything is possible in a lot of ways or maybe even more so i think the other thing. That's really really exciting in italian spirits and not not something that i wanted totally share because i feel like i have a little bit of a little bit of a head start. Is you know a lot of people. Don't realize that the In this country in particular that the italian market was one of the fairy. I to appreciate hi n single malt and rum and there's a history fifty sixty year history of great italian importers going to scotland picking out barrels. And bottling them for the italian market. And you you you. You may see some of those here now osama rowley in particular which has incredible track right. It's not quite the same as it once was because you know silvano has passed away. But they're all these great little importers. Italian importers were out there. Great relationships with with scottish bottlers bringing them in the italian market. And i think that is something that people don't realize that there's this whole other independent bottler market in italy. Just for that mark. I you know what i'm trying to do is take some of those and bring them here because they have access that very very few other people have and while they're not italian spirits they are italian curated. And that's that's i think the the next most exciting thing will be seeing Out of there so all right so boil it all down. We do have to draw this to a conclusion. We're talking with david oj. David open gerard of Buyer at kml. What's the big takeaway from this conversation. I mean not. Everybody buys from channel but a whole lot of people can buy from kano because you do an extraordinary amount of ecommerce but out of your philosophy of how you do buying and how the court does store does business. How does the rest of the industry What can we take away from. We've all talked about today and put to use media. It's hard to distill in. You know into one sort of idea. Sometimes it's as simple as just like just trying like just getting up and doing something extra whereas most stores are happy to you know. Put out the supplier provided tags. The neckers for the points you know. That's fine but an ensure surely will put the neckers on when they bring the bring them into the shop. It's not that hard to do more than the next guy and sometimes it just means working harder trying harder doing doing something rather than nothing which sounds obvious but you know and artistry. It's like a lot of like okay. We brought it in its. It didn't sell. Well what did you. What did you do with it. Well we just pointed to it like that's not enough so i think that you know it's giving a crap is sort of the key david. I wanna thank you for your time. It's always it's always a pleasure to chat with you. You bring up a very fresh perspective into retailing of conspiracy in the united states. But we do need to bring it to an end so big. Thank you for being guest this week. Thanks for having me steve. This is steve. ray. Thanks again for listening on behalf. The italian wine podcast.

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MadTrio Podcast - Episode 077

MadTrio Podcast

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MadTrio Podcast - Episode 077

"Welcome to the trio podcast. We'll to California. Pariah Jonathan Charney James Batman Stevens and roll the old guile back in studio. And before we start off, there is a nonprofit I. Want you all to take a look at and if you agree with their message Jimmy favorite, check them out there near and dear to my heart checkout Karasu Hey, seuss love dot org I believe. It's a close personal friend. He goes to places like must shop. And PORTU- mill in Nicaragua help feed. People helps bring clothing has done an amazing amount of stuff in the areas also stuff in northern California. Go to Gracia's Hey seuss of dot org. Check it out and if you agree with what he does. Donate you know couple of bucks and tell them the mad trio sense you. Appreciate that Ryan for some reason it won't be here probably has to do with the the covert lifestyle is were all probably slowly circling down? The unemployment drain is the economy just bottoms out, so does anything have more exciting in happier to talk about than what's on the news besides people dying everywhere family dirge? So what do you think should be the sentence for somebody trying to steal one of the? You know copies of the Magna Carta. One of the original copies of the MAGNA Carta. Where was it being housed? Which one in England? Bullshit Shit Dude. If you still like the crown jewels, they skin, you live, and now you. The Cross store alleged church. Cathedral in England. Mark. Royden. From Canterbury. was trying to steal. The MAGNA, Carta or one of the original copy is what it says original copy. Original Magna Carta or one of the original copies from a security. Back in October of twenty eighteen, he was finally sentenced today. Would he got. Hundred Years. Well. It's a pretty serious document so the crime. The punishment should fit the crime, so I'm hoping He has his. Left hand chopped off. Four years. Four years! Wow or years so I. Obviously I was way way more stringent I. I'm curious though that's got to be a hard document defense. Nash the case with some hammer or something and. I don't even know if he damaged the glass I. Mean So. This was more of one of those things that hey, let's give this try like the like. Wesley Snipes and demolition man type of type of thing, not not a well planned out like nick this movie, so I mean the a reason why he wanted to steal. It looked pretty next drapes. I Dunno, okay, so there's. Red But Before years, that's what he got four years well. Obviously successful, so I've heard people driving with a wet and reckless that have gotten more time than he at. I am curious. Does he have to replace that bulletproof? Glass what exactly is his does does. Does he have any like restitution? I didn't say because I'm interested that he was sentenced to four years of incarceration, so in this took place in great. Been Great Britain Yeah Yeah Okay So. There's justice system is different than ours. It's slower and yeah twenty eighteen to twenty twenty. That's a long trial for document theft, but if the other thought this was the United States, he would have been in jail probably the whole time so four years. He probably would in California now. We got zero bail. He would have been out because it's a non violent crime. He would have been kicked out in the public and he could try steal in it again if that's true, but before this this no bail system, he would have gotten time served because I've known a number of absolutely at this point, yeah I. Had certain similar things that might have gotten time served. So you know in this case, they would have had to do an additional year and they'd be out of the. You know the old day for day type thing. He was been incarcerated two years, so yeah, l., it worked well I just thought so found in article. the defense attorney. said he was in a car accident in nineteen, ninety one and had tragically in a tragically affected him. Causing him brain damage. And so well, he's incarcerated. He's being court protection order, so he's Mentally Vander, so he's mentally income obviously being held at a general population, but that might have been. Brought into the sentencing as well so that might be why he only got four years, but that makes sense that he would have a depending on how bad he was injured in the accident. This could have been something that he was Was it damage? Yeah, had a poor impulse control like people. Who get certain types of brain damage like their personality switches have poor ability to control impulses. ETC, so this may have been something that he couldn't have himself helped. Maybe so James Riot James and I Ryan apparently hasn't seen. It have been bitching sin. This movie came out about Avatar the last air bender by M night Chamois. There is an article at Paste Paste magazine Dot Com and this is the headline a decade later. itemize the sins of 'em Night Chamois kids, the last Arab bender, and it's an entire article pretty much of them talking Shit about the movie. Like M night. Chamois MNT Shamlan as a director also made the choice to condense entirety of avatars first season, some eight hours of animation material into surprisingly film. So I have to send this this article to James Because. Home Larry Send it to me and if Yeah I. Mean Them Saying in the article that the. Can't can't be made any worse as very very accurate. Can only go up from there. So That about sums up the entire film. I just I thought it was I just thought it was hilarious. Basically! It was an article saying by the way. Why did it take ten years? You could have given the movie a watch like. Six months after it was made. You know he probably heard about the film. And just stayed away from it because he didn't WanNa destroy his. I I don't know maybe I. Don't know, so is a is a really weird segue to the with the old guy wants to talk about. Nineteen, forty-three upon arrival at Auschwitz Jerash Ballarat Francisca. MAN STRIPPED DIS-! Distracting Lee stolen SS guards pistol shot him dead. Man was able to ruin another guard in the stomach before being killed. This is the first time I have ever heard that story. Okay have. Have you mean it's a really weird transition, but I I there was there was a thing on on twitter. That was called. Jewish trivida privilege and the reason I brought that up is take a look it's. It's interesting because you had people talk about their family history. To Neo Nazis, but if you if you go on there and find the people story about their family history, it's freaking amazing. The the the records in the stuff that these people actually bring up you know or or they say so. That history is is not dead now. It's the old guys turn, but that was just something. I wanted to bring up because I spent a cup like an hour or more reading some of these stories I. My turn I do have a couple of things I wanted to talk. My One's good couples very interesting. You know. As we have witnessed recently. All the black lives matters situations and many of the other Things going on around the country. That is very interesting. They're starting to put together Hate Crime Statistics from and we're GONNA take New York City. Being one of the bigger areas that also had larger protests and all that. And I think one of the things I wanted to bring up in and I think it's being spoken more and more about that. anti-semitism is alive and well and growing vastly. In this country so to be forgotten. There are some statistics that has just come out throughout, New York City on hate crimes a kind reports. And in one beer very short. Oh, I believe this I report that I'm going to look at here to tell you the percentages of calls. On Hey crimes in New York City within a one month period of time. The percentage of them, the broken down on things like Anti Jehovah witnesses. On the seven. Anti Buddhists. There, is I I'm? I'm just shocked like out of all the things Jehovah witnesses do. Is I just don't know I D- Anti? Jehovah's Witness I just don't have having. My door knocked on early in the morning. That's probably why. That's a hell of a reason to hate somebody well. Anti Hindu. Levin Anti, Mormon. Want anybody to knock on my door. Yeah, there, you go! Fifteen that's why I text him. Instead they seek twenty and two eastern Orthodox. twenty-three seek was only twenty. Yeah, twenty, three eastern. Orthodox that the sorry. That's just really surprise. Considering it's Middle Eastern. stereotypically and Seeker Indian religion, but it doesn't seem like people know the difference that's using them surprised because they always get locked in the what was really interesting for me about that one. Is that the remark? From for the Sikhs for the Hindus in the basically. In the same area Other Christians. I'm not sure what they mean. Anti other Christians is twenty-seven Anti. Protestants forty anti multiple religious groups, forty-seven, anti-catholic, seventy, three at the other religions seventy-six. Anti Muslim two, hundred, seventy, three and anti-jewish. Nine, hundred and thirty eight. the percentages. If you were looking at. That statistic is four times greater. Anti Jewish than any other reported hate crime in New York City. And then. Complaint to statistics evolving hate crime incidents. Spy Bias motivation. A hate crime report through your New York City. They they lumped in things a little bit different in this case like a at the Asian. Eleven percent anti-black twelve percent anti-homosexual six at they Muslim one. And a other ethical regions, three percent, anti transgender, two percent and anti-jewish. Forty five I I would. If I see, I would have thought that the and this is in the United States right New York. City I would have thought that the Trans in at least the transit would have been higher than than the the Jewish. Even close how that really surprises me, so you bring up the United States, this is It's from statistics. Dot Org DOT COM so. I, don't know if one hundred percent trust, but you know what they say this by twenty twenty, so number of. Anticipated? Antisemitic incidents in London twenty nineteen nine forty-seven. Germany One, thousand, seven, nine, ninety nine, and in in the UK. It's one thousand eight Oh five. There's been reports how it's actually been. On the rise in Europe as well, yeah, no, it seems to be a worldwide all of a sudden night. Maybe. People. I! Don't know I I. Think I think what it's pointing out is. Is is as much as I'm sympathetic with. The two biggest things right now are happening, obviously our black lives, matter and NFC NFL teams are professional sport teams change having the change names, because of Indian dishes. Yeah, you know, a native. American and others names in that they consider Hate hate speech Oh. The football teams like the the Redskins and the Bray represent in Washington redskins averted said they're gonNa Change Your name and their logo. Realistically I'm not surprised. Even though the thing that surprises me about that is not I have read this I. Don't know if it's true because I haven't found an article from the dais dating it, but there were multiple reports. Read online about native Americans, being incredibly happy of having quote, unquote like the redskins having an Indian. There's a group of native. Americans feel that that is not a derogatory term like this, and actually like it, but what is the seminal? It was the authors out of it now there's A. College. There's a college football team. And I think they're called the. Or something like that and people were trying to get the change in the tribe actually said. Hey. We dig it. Leave us. Leave it alone. Well. Okay, so here's the here's one. The news one that I just came out is the mighty for Irish fighting Irish the mighty fighting Irish Notre Dame. I think somebody's gotTA. Be Rolling Right, so it's good for the goose is good for the game I mean all right so now we can't have. fighting Arish any more either so. But I'll still have my boondock saints so I'm happy. So. John's been out buying. Alcohols and stuff like that because as I'm sure all the audience members now because he goes, understanding is that he likes to do mixture now John. What would you think if you came across quickey? Sold in paper bottle. And taper bottles. Yes. I would be very wary of it affecting the taste of the alcohol. How old whiskey are we talking about a? We like White Whisky Johnnie, Walker. Johnnie Walker is saying and twenty twenty one. They're going to be putting out all of their whiskeys. and paper bottle. There are no longer going to be using glass. Using Classic, they are going strictly paper. And the thing about it is the they're also even claiming. that the plastic coating that goes inside the stop it from leaking out, they will not be using. And they're GONNA go straight paper bottle. Now my thinking. Is How long until the liquid in there. Because alcohol has a high acidic content I wonder how long it would be before it leaked completely threw. And eats it. Semi. Thinking is how long will that take? Will it be so you? This was years? You said Johnny Walker Right. Yep Johnnie, Walker whisky will be going strictly paper. You're telling me. That wasn't put up a young and. BBC news article I'm using. Telling me on a Walker you, telling me like John a lot of. Johnny Walker blue the right now at total wine and more is four hundred and forty dollars. A bottle is going to be in a paper Cup. That what they're claiming, so here's here's a legitimate question and I. I don't know much about Johnny. Walker I pretty much stick to buffalo trace at the moment. A is how long is it aged? If if you're talking about different, have different. If you're talking about like you know like the the older ages my question is. How does it affect the taste? ARE THEY GONNA? Make it cheaper. 'cause if I, find out, it has kind of a papery taste on a five hundred bottle, five hundred dollar hollow Whiskey, which will never buy. I'M GONNA. Be fucking pissed. Fade that it's going to be sprayed on the inside with a coating. They don't go into. Coding are probably patented. But it's supposed to not interact with the drinks that they will contain but I'm still thinking like I. Mean There's people that will buy. John said those four hundred dollar bottle. 'cause they even go even higher than four hundred dollars. You sit there new. Hang on that bottle for. Decades. I i. You know I just I'm just wondering how long until it all through. Whatever the coating it is! Whatever else it is! Isn't class continually recyclable? Can't you just so what? So they pay it. This is a quote. Making bottle from glass also consumes energy and create carbon emission. From the article, so it's a woke alcohol hilarious. Expensive WHOA. Call now I've said this before when talking to Ryan I'm all for going green when it's convenient one, it makes sense, but this makes no sense. I for one I won't buy I I. Really Love Buffalo. Trace by the way if you want to sponsor old Guy Tech TV and mad trio. Please will be happy to accept I talked to send me a bottle. I don't get it. I. Don't see why. They're articles also on Ford. Spirit business. Drinks business the Guardian read it. Goes on and on it's it's all over now. They're saying that this is going to happen all right well, you know. The interesting thing is I'm on Johnnie. Walker site there's nowhere. Are they reporting paper bottles? I! Hit a whole over the Internet. Somebody copied the article almost. GonNa tell you right now. Man I hope so Chris like glasses. Can he sense glasses so neutral? The only thing I could see depending on. What was it like milk like the the darker that the darker bottles are better. For some halls or like milk product than the clear ones, because the sun's rays Yada, Yada I see making a different color, but when alcohol you buy alcohol, you WanNa, see what it looks like. When you buy a whisk, you WANNA. See that golden amber color Arnaud I I agree. I'm I'm kind of. especially alcohol when a lot of people go. ooh, this looks nice when. It you know it could be can't find appleton estate twelve year rum. I Dunno makes no sense to me, but hey more. More power to you talking about the practicing. Rob was talking about I. Did find this thing? This one in four Europeans hold antisemitic views. Nearly one in four twenty four point, six percent of Europeans hold strongly antisemitic views according to a poll by Jewish to hate organizations release on Thursday I could possibly understand Europe depending on immigration. I'm kind of curious on the America White. It's going up. I did want to say that because I. I, I'm. I'm fascinated how that just skyrockets! Yeah because. My my whole point with bringing up what I brought up Wi- brought it up. Was the fact that there's groups that have been? Targeted for Anti Eytan Anti speech, and all that for forever in the Jews or one of them Maybe they need to get out there and start. Start Rioting and burning stores down. Maybe, because get some maybe into it, maybe that's why can stereotypically are people owned stores? Now because the won't burn, burn down their source on. I don't know it just will sern Sheri- fraud. I'm just. I'm just kind of confused at the whole thing I mean because we're at a time, we're we're. Things are being accepted more than ever before I mean like. The transgender gaze colors. Hell at work. You can have tattoos I mean. There's all sorts of crazy shit that was. An that. was. It's accepted now and I don't mean crazy shit. In the the negative is just compared to what things used to be. I just amazing that. That of all the things to pick from. They pick the Jews which. Relatively speaking I I. Don't know I'm quibbling, but I don't understand it. Well. I'm disappointed here, too, but I'm disappointing in in an awful lot of the whole situation with. Why is because a person looks a certain way or has a certain color skin, or whatever may be that anybody just decides okay now. We gotta hate you know I never made any sense to me but I've the rest of the world's been dealing with it forever I. Don't get on anybody you know. Gay Straight Trans. We're talking about Jews blacks. Whatever I wasn't raised that way. The only way I could say I was raised as you know I was raised to dislike the color. Somebody's character, not the color of somebody's skin. I. You Know Aka. If you're a Dick you're a deck. I don't get it. It's just weird. Because it still makes saw I know. It's hard for us. Understand racism, however, there we may have. A bias that we're not even aware of. Certain degree and that's one of the things that they've also been saying that. You don't even know the fact that you're racist. I okay so! You know so also. Here's where I disagree with that fervently and I cannot speak for anybody else but myself. So Fuck Y'all if you think wrong. I spent a great. A great period of time reflecting on things, interactions with people thoughts I. Dwell on Shit a lot on saying hey, do I have a bias here or a bias there? What are my bias? Because this? Just me I I don't see a reason to dislike somebody, so if I dislike, somebody wanted to way. It's like okay why? Do I dislike this person so for me. I everybody has some sort of bias. It's human nature. But to say, I'm racist and they don't know it. I claim bullshit. You, you might be surprised. I'm sure we can come up with some kind of test. We can give you a little show a bias. But, maybe it came down to the guy in third grade. Who decided to steal my pencil case I, don't know I mean it just. It's like I even understand. No but that so I've been listening what I. I want one of the things I wanted to bring up. Bring up is I've been listening to an audio book. That was one of the books that were helped. Actually make the move the specific the specific Pacific Excuse me that thing that the the band of brothers for the Pacific theater called with the old breed by e B sledge. It's the story of at Peleliu and Okinawa and he was in these battles, and this is him going through those two battles, two of the worst battles in the Pacific theater. And and there's this one, there's this one scene in the book where he's told to dig a trench. Because there's they're coming towards it. The you know in the Japanese are come towards them. The dudes digging a trench, and all the sudden hits giant pound, this giant thing of Maggots, pouring out like a hawk Hainault and he's told to keep digging and all these people, and then he seeing his friends dead here and bodies here I can understand. The hatred that war brings because war kind of brings out the negatives of everybody. You know and it also helps to dehumanize your enemy, but. I don't understand any other. I don't understand hating somebody other than extreme circumstances like that. Pretty no reason to hate somebody. Were you mean there's people that look? Let me ask you if you're looking at. There's. Being rain, hatred indoctrination. So what I've seen it at. There's another way of looking at it, too. That's I. Don't know if you guys. Have had the opportunity the the no any a gentleman that fought a World War Two in the Pacific battles. I fought. In this specific, while the reason I the reason I bring up block the Pacific battle is because. We call the Japanese at that time. japs in that was a derogatory. Drug a Tory term for Japanese people and I will tell you having known Three or four gentlemen that fought in the Pacific battle, laxly lost friends and shot at and killed. The Japanese people in time. To this day. They understand forgiveness, and how we we need to Kinda. Give away the past, but have never forgiven. The Japanese what they went through. That's and level of forgiveness well. Yeah, and so. I mean at that point. Do you say okay I you know you. Have you know you? I can understand your bias. But you know you're being bigoted and They go well. I can't help it. I lost trends. I fought in the war I. You know it's just it is what it is, and I can totally understand that. let's like I said though that that that's extreme circumstances. That's I would like to believe even though the twentieth century proved me wrong, but that's not common so. One of the things that might. Point to your correctness about that is. The other people that I had known. Fought in German battles against Germans. Don't seem to have the same feeling they you know and yet here's a here's a group of Nazis that killed six billion people in concentration camps and yet. They get a pass. They make strudel its own good well I i. don't know okay. How much? That was bad for me I'm sorry, I mean we still have video games where yes, you kill, not yes, yes, you kill the Japanese. How often do you fight the I? We'll see there's. Actually exists that I can remember well there there you go. Maybe maybe we still kill Nazis is that we're not out fighting midway? No No. Definitely there is a game battle of midway. So know but I'm just saying, but we don't see that very often in comparison to how often. Portrayed as enemies that we go out and kill in video. Game I see rob is saying, though because the Germans are more similar similar to US I mean. Don't forget up into World War. Two German was the number two number, the highest spoken language in the United States. That point. I mean that makes sense. You know that the Japanese are dissimilar to us like you know you you can. And I'm sorry. This sounds really bad, but improving point is, you can tell when a person's Asian versus when a person's. Easier to tell stereotypically. Well correct because. Kiss their. German accent. Accent if you look at them. Right. You're absolutely right. You can't wear as an Asian person. You can or a black person you can or an Indian person you can or or an African person you can so that there lies the difference one question and I don't know if there's an answer discs I'm going to say this poorly. Is it an ideological hatred like they hated the Nazis because the ideological. Method of air. Versus like what it seemed like according to this book, with the old breed by e B sledge, it talks about how they just wave after wave, and they wouldn't give up like. A hundred. Japanese Japanese like never said that was the so I wonder if it's a difference between like the Germans at some point, just seem to say fuck it. Don versus the Japanese for some reason, it was just. Not surrender it a disgrace to surrender to the emperor in in this is a whole different ideology that's. Right that's what is. Would that be enough like versus the Germans at some point would say okay I. Give Up, versus the the the the the Japanese would not is that. Was that the ideological I don't know you know, unfortunately we. There's not our numbers of world war survive. Veterans are dwindling into window dwindling and we don't have an opportunity. Maybe go out and actually interview some more and get some ideas, but and I can be talking on my ass. I mean it could be just the fact that hey. These guys look Asian therefore. No I think you're probably right because it's easier when you can see an easy look and in. I'll K.. Let's let's put this towards the Jewish people. There is a look. Stir typically pointed at as a Jewish person. And and so maybe that's added to it as well. Oh by the way before I forget. Tom. Hanks has brand new movie on Apple TV plus called Greyhound to watch. It's we're to about a destroyer that is trying to protect a merchant ships going across. the the Atlantic to England, and in an area, called the dark pit that had no air cover and what they had to go through an it is an excellent movie was supposed to be released in theaters. They went ahead and released it on Apple TV plus because I think there's a midway movie i WanNa see to though recently came out, it was originally John Wayne. Movies all add that to my list. Yeah, now it's called Greyhound at done really well Tom Hanks. Wrote wrote the screenplay by a for this by the way and not surprised by that it. He did a really really good job I mean. He's been studying to quite longtime. Obviously, since you know serving private vitamin, saving private Ryan so was play tone, creation play tone is his be I. Think I think I know play tones credit in it I. Yeah for him, so yeah. Good movie is that's that that thing you do? What was nice about a two also is? That was supposed to be released in theaters. I think they changed it up. It's only about an hour half versus a normal two hour movie for theatre movies and decided to go ahead and release it for online view I'll have to watch it. I want to see it yeah. Well. I I I. Am I am curious? About the! IRA. About kind of the hatred I find it fascinating, and if y'all have another topic we can switch. I remember closing James. James and I I remember watching a couple of. Skin had Nazis. Documentaries and they really fascinated me. But besides the fact that everybody involved with spun out of their mind. These guys were so high. I don't think they knew their feet were touching the floor. And they would they would say all this this this. This shit about the Jews the blacks and their this and that and. I just I. Never I don't get it, and then you turn around, and these guys would be on their hoods, saying like Psalms and preaching Jesus and. I'm fascinated by. The hypocrisy of that. A Jesus was Ju So. You're automatically. There's no she them that it can start a home war if they. Understood that I just understand I'm just blow. They're literally has been a lot of wars. Or Not Skinheads. Take case. and. Guess, it's so outside of my purview out of my anything. With an area, right? Down the military. In the area in Jupiter. Well let's face it. Can. On. The just those two words don't fit together I. Well, you know what I am going to tell you why. The part of the problem is most of the images we have of Jesus. are basically a a white male true, the European Central and center and the reality is, he wouldn't look anything like the average. Picture that we see Jesus depicted. Oh, that's true I mean instead of being this tall white to long locks with long hair. He would have been most likely a fairly short. Jewish guy well, we. Would have had darker skin is facing features would have been different. Darker skin just because he lived in an area where. The sunol but. I mean his all his features and everything would be highly different than most of the depictions that we see in today's pictures of Jesus. That's true in a lot of holdover from the euro central just from the founding of America. Really, it's really what it came from. Being false where it came from. I mean at least we know. The genesis of that is I. I don't know I just I'm the the idea of hatred. I mean there's people I really dislike. But I was I was thinking about this the other day. Is there anybody I actually truly hate? I don't think they're like a group of people or a person. We'll just in general because I was thinking about the to actually hate somebody to some degree. You have to care about said group. And There are the so that's the part is I don't care and saying I don't care is a negative. It's thank you, do you? You live your life how you see fit I live my life how he fit. We can sing Koumba on joined the drum circle, but if you hated you for example, if you're a white dude, you have to care on some level about their existence. Because otherwise. Why would you give a shit? Why would you give a shit if this? You know like this guy's forefather was like Kuta canton routes. Why the fuck would you care? About I just don't get it just blows my mind every time I think about it I just don't see how we wires disconnect. What you know, you see what I'm saying. Because there's an I was with you until that last to stay the freaked. Bet, it's totally different, no like. It's just in general I'm just trying to prove the fact that you hate so many somebody so much. You hate his ancestors that you just you just like everything about him and. I, don't hey to the very strong emotion, and but I also think that's Al Taylor address. That's emotion. What'd you think there's an element of you have to care about that person or though that that that group of people? Because I. Just I think. I, think you're right in the sense that you actually have to have some type of. Emotion or carrying as to what that group is. Because otherwise you would be disinterested in have no desire to interact or even give any emotion or feeling toward that group. That's where I think coming from. The poorly stated. On I was poorly stated not you I think you're right in. That sense is the fact that. They have to have some type of. It I guess I I. Don't know it's like letting these people. Live rent free in your head and they didn't do anything to you. And for some reason you have this invisible grievance. Against Him. And the so from my little bit of research for some reason, the skinheads think that the Jews have zog. Zionist occupied government. I think for some reason that the Jews control the government I mean acres choose in the government I. don't see them controlling the government. 'cause probably be better organized. Probably a lot richer, too. So I, see ice keep beating that stereotypical drums. James's that you? See. Deep into their. Their. Feeding it into their. You know mindset because they believe that they own so much money. They have you know they. They run the diamond industry. They run Holly Okay they. Go into? A bath. Inner workings of. When they use the term log. They don't just need the government. They mean financial. Everything network everything. They really believe that the Jews. Own and operate every infrastructure that has anything to do. With finances government. Everything, I, it's a crazy. Conspiracy theory that they have going on. It's literally. BELIEVE IF YOU WANNA go into a little bit more controversial topic. We can go into. Why would they hate? Say African Americans when. You know it's the old sky locking thing. If you prick us, don't do we not bleed the same? really no difference I mean if you look at what they used to believe that there there were. Were wrong said they were. Not the same as white people. But? That's wrong, so I mean that's the same thing. Really Weird stereotypes or really shitty science Deng by some sort of screwed up fucked up by just don't get it, it's. People are. Are Seen. There seems to be an inherent. Distrust dislike whatever you WANNA call it. Against somebody that's different than you are, and you could also be like trying to trying to be too self important. To I'm thinking that could be in there, but I if we go back. If, we go back maybe two way back. I mean ten thousand years ago or whatever. You know. Humans have been fighting humans forever. You have tribes next to each other. That can't get along at all, and they're exactly the same, so it's based on fair. Based on unknown. Based on Hey. They've got a better view of the river than I do based on. They get more dear. The Cross property than I do based on. They've got more Willy Woolly mammoths than I. Do you know so? Is the logical? No, but it seems to be you. Go back and you look in the record watching A. Smithsonian Channel special yesterday on Jericho. And there'd pulling out fossils that they're finding in that area that go back. Ten thousand years or more, and they're still killing each other. They found the skeleton with a Arrow Blade embedded in it. That's ten thousand years old, so let's while I mean they do. They CAIN and Abel I mean now. I know they were literally just. You know brothers obviously from the same mom and Dad, according to all that and they okay. Each Other, so I mean they go. And it's going to happen and they. There is no real need for hatred between the two I mean. Really wasn't I. Truly believe to a certain degree. It is just embedded in our DNA. And then it's doctrine any how you raise your raised or grow up or what you're near whatever and. You don't like what you fear. That's part of it or you don't like what looks different. That's another part of it, so this is. This is where Ryan would inevitably say that everybody is born. Good in just had shitty parents, and this is where I would say no. We're all bad. Bad people who try to do good things to bring field argument of major versus nurture, and then we go on a whole another tangent for about what the forty five minutes. I'm just trying to do totally rainy. Dumb range only knew that you're stupid and maybe venture you guys. He'll each other. Well see I just wanted to agree. They look different. That'll do it. I just wanted Ryan to fill some love on this episode. Didn't get to on his new nickname either I'm kind of looking forward to telling his new nickname. So, we had someone we don't. We had some who's listening to the show a couple of weeks ago. And Ryan popped on and according to them to like who the fuck is this? So Ryan's new nickname is I'm thinking. About but I was thinking about like Ryan, the unknown Preston or something or Ryan. Ryan who the fuck is this process? You gotta remember. I have to remember this. It's got to be something simple enough for my dumb asking member. That's funny or Ryan Nowhere Man, you know I'll Beatles. Yeah. Hey, I got. This is a pretty good one. That'll keep us up in the adult content. Ryan, who is this Preston? Johnny Carson here's Ryan who the fuck is this precedent here? That's funny. You Know I. I think it's a pretty good one? For a while two things really quick. I just want to ask one thing. Is that you guys who are rich little is yes okay, so you know he's an imprint. Rich, little, rich, little, rich, little was. is an impression S. he's been around forever. I grew up with them as a kid, he was on all the funny shows. US Johnny Carson he's still alive. Still doing shows and everything he was on Mike. Huckabee's show today's okay. I had a look I didn't know his name I. Thought my head. I know I I incredible. He's able to do voices just at the time he was like. You've never heard anybody that could do what he could do. You know imitations live via the Ben Gay Studios I was unbelievable. The Guy was just mind blowing into this days still doing impressions and I found out a little history about in the fact that he actually dubbed people like Jimmy A. Jimmy Stewart and some other famous actors when they weren't available the finish up on film and do some. He actually was called in to do the voice. He did eight route. Wow, yeah, yeah, so it was pretty good like. Basically like the Michael Winslow generation. Yes, right? Absolutely, it was about trying to remember that dude's name. I. Mean these guys are unbelievable? Look into these impression because that's that's how I make my implores. Just the I mean I haven't seen anybody as good as years. I'd now that you bring up rich little. Yeah, I I. The pioneer. Probably the inspiration for Michael Window absolutely absolutely. I'm going to finish my story about him. The reason I bring it up is because they thought this was completely hysterical he. Mike Huckabee asked them you know while who was one of your favorite people to impersonate me, said Ronald Reagan, and of course he did some stuff from Ron Reagan did Ronald Reagan's short. Party Ron Rugged speech about the about the Russians and how they said come over and everything and then. Reagan shared a story with him. I guess they were good friends and I guess Ronald. Reagan's and people are going to hate me for this one. was passed so. When do you believe? A fetus. Is actually considered a human being. And Ronald Reagan said. When he's old enough to vote Republican. I remember that from something to. Do Remember Harry back before. Yeah, that's pretty. That's mad. He's only worth five million dollars. Well! WHO's that? Rich, little ritual well, that's been very much for him i. mean he had a long career? Well, he and if you go in the look in more, you'll find out why he gives away. Almost all is money. Oh makes them. Yeah, he gives too many many causes he's. been around for a long time and A Lot. He's very comfortable lives he owns property can't be thrown off. He's got all the money he he needs and everything else away. Well, don't forget Kirk. Douglas was only worth sixty million dollars when he died. So this is the story of old Hollywood. Actors didn't always get paid a lot of money. Better fact actors still get paid a lot of money unless you're like with the top. Yeah, what? I. Think it's the top two percent. Make the most. Make you know ninety eight percent of all the money in Hollywood. So that's probably why Ron Perlman is a nonstop actor. Yeah, they do I mean. It also depends on the lifestyle they have, and then you know of course nowadays with. All the Social Media Moguls, all they have to do is make a sex tape and become worth a billion dollars so I won't I won't mention the. Doing Wrong John. David. Console, the show. I don't think anybody would want to see that I don't quite have the leverage. So okay Do you like to go out at night and look up at the stars? I have too much. I do. I mean I I I understand now. You don't have that much. Be surprised how much you can see. More than you. You'd think yeah I. Heard that there's a that we're going to be also a bunch of stuff pretty soon there is. And they just discovered it believe it or not a new comet that popped up that they've missed. Nearby coming nearby the earth that they're supposed to be looking for. It's now called. The comet nearline is It's actually the brightest comet. Twenty three years since last comment, which was Haley Bop in nineteen ninety-seven. Shames Sh. Yeah no Haley jokes. Reebok. Anyway soon it'll be sitting in our northwestern skies after sunset. So it's There is few. Videos that I saw on for NASA here today. showing some of it in. It's going to be its brightest coming here around the fourteenth. Are we going to be able to see it in this we are. We Are we are in the Northern Hemisphere says the best day of these the view, the comment during the eat income during July fourteenth to the nineteenth timeframe And it's best to look in the northwestern sky after sunset, so will appear to zoom just below the big dipper, so if you guys have had any experience being able to know what the big dipper actually looks like Go look for the big dipper I know. Exactly I know people that what what dipper Dipa what? Big dipper little dipper. There's all kinds of things so that's this week as of the recording that rats. That's right so between the fourteenth of the nineteenth of July, twenty twenty go out and look at you. Don't get to see these eerie often and we're. Kind of kind of one of those wonderful things that get to see the you'll never see again. They keep saying there's all these things you'll never see again and I've a quite a number of this things never supposed to see again. Keep coming so much because you keep watching reruns. Now I'd happens time I mean I. You're back I. Swear for you. Fuck should posit back in the early the mid eighties when life was easier or The be passed a crappy politicians. Multiple Presidential Issues I try to give some. Light, hearted, great news and something to look forward to that the. God is giving you to go up and look at, and it's a wonderful thing, and it just gets shutdown. Well Hey that's. That's. From Ninety! That's that's life. No matter how happy you try to be, there's going to be some asshole that tells you. It's GonNa rain that day. The drag you up at night and have you look up and go star, see start. That would require you to drive an hour from the studio. I don't doing that. you know I. I'm to call you. This loss. I. I sent him a text. Yourself by the ear and look up. I got I've got some I. got some neighbor's leave their lights on I mean I actually I'm I'm I'm guilty I actually my lights onto. Bb Gun issued him out. But now I do have I got enough? that it does, it does cause some. Yeah, that's that's not great. When governor resumed their lifespan I get a paintball gun with the black. L.! And shoot them out. It's not like they used to be when used to be able to freeze the paintball so I mean. Had Black, they. Cover the light John Desert such thing as a black paint over there is really every color. technicolor rainbow just like a Peter Jackson movie. There's these artists out there that use paint pulse for creating art. Wait as painful for art now. Oh, they've been making R I. Say now that probably going on for a long time has been a long long time. Attention raise your hand. Process. Yeah Okay Okay John Go ahead. I'm waiting to wrap it up John. Drop. What the canned laughter! No, no, not yet. We have this massive audience here James. Yeah, you should see. The people inside. I'm glad I stayed home today that. Is hardly. Do the show wearing a mask so yeah? So I want to thank you all for listening to the bad trio during the days of covert, I hope you guys have a wonderful cove at eve. I don't know what Y'all planning. Yes. I. You know what it kind of sounds. Gosh depressed. Oh God. It sounds like all mad. If got his name, the guy from the sixties. WHO's a really prolific writer? A Bob, I'm sorry I. I can't get into your brain at this time. wrote a lot in the sixties wrote a lot of prolific songs. Billon Bob Dylan it sounds like a Bob. Dylan song the COVID. The days of Kobe's of now that would have been Simon and Garfunkel. Go! Only! So I hope we brought some entertainment to your life, or at least helped you not get sad and depressed I mean unfortunately this episodes probably to so many. At least the very least wrote commoner to saying yeah would like to see here next week because this. Crap about you know. Yes. We still will still getting a daas boot. Hate meal. After all these years. So eight remember all your your your your loving ladders, and how much you love Nazis to James for once. Leave my fucking out of it. I know for some reason. There's a whole herd of you who love Daas and jetties. Just leave me alone. My comment backups. They're blaming the difference between a knock the German soldier okay I. Don't know what the Hell's wrong with people that they can't figure out the different. I don't know, but they've been saying the same thing about you. For years so lazy and Jen for the California pariah jumped attorney. James Fatman Stevens rob the old guy as always. Sir I gotta find. The ROB Charney show. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA have to edit out the ROB Charney show part so ladies and gentlemen as always. Thank you for listening good Knighton God. Bless and forgive us.

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Ep 133. Use My Bathroom, Take My Wife

90 Day Fiance Trash Talk

46:10 min | 2 months ago

Ep 133. Use My Bathroom, Take My Wife

"It's crazy and Noel they're going to make you LOL On Any Day. Fiance trash. Hello. And welcome to 90 Day Fiance trash talk. This is episode 133. We're here to talk about happily ever after season 6, episode, 15 and guess what, Noel? What tonight on ABC Bachelor in Paradise? Is finally back. I can't wait to see what's going on. There. Me to The Bachelor in Paradise is back tonight on ABC, and I'm going to tell you more about it a little while. Wage really excited about it. Noelle Tracy, if you guys want this episode, As soon as we recorded, which is up to a week early, make sure you're going to patreon.com Trash Talk podcast and joining the elite level of patreon. And even if you don't want to join the elite level, you can join the super duper trash-talker level where you get every single bonus episode that we record. Yeah, I want for my birthday. Is that what you want me to get you? You want me to give you access to our own podcast? I want you to do that for me earlier today. I listen. I was just going to say today, I listen to a little bit of cats as trash talk. I did cuz I needed to hear about the episode to make the, to get the picture and took so long story anyway, so I listen to it. I was like, we're very funny. We are very funny. Yeah, I like it. Where hilarious, so go over to patreon.com Trash Talk podcast and just check it out to the stuff. Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to talk about happily ever after season 6 episode 15, and we're going to jump off. To the pool with Natalie and Mike were jumping in. This was sad. It's made me feel sad. It made me feel, not good, but not, I don't think sad is the word. I don't know. Not good. Yep, but like, kind of down, right? I don't know. Interesting. All right. Well, Natalie and Mike. So Natalie. Enters stage left with her suitcase off. Yes. She does. And Mike sitting in this house. There is so much stuff on these display shelves. I always wonder why it's so weird. It's just so messy. It's always messy and you would think that she would have cleaned it up a little bit. Yeah. Okay, but that's the thing. It's like you said, that your boss so bored and that you clean the whole house in like 10 to 15 minutes. Right, but you just never did. So she never cleaned the house. All she said was put decals up everywhere. I can't believe that she made this entire house and Nursery, but I but she'd I know this was her. I know, you think Mike decided that he needed butterfly decals in every room in this house? Know she probably thought it's just life in the place up, really livens up the trailer wage. So she's playing with the rats. Yes, and Natalie says that Julia. She wanted to stay next to me dead brain. He's like, I bet she did. So then she tells Mike that she's staying with Juliana, and then she talks to the rat a little bit. It's so funny, the way she talks is right, but here's the thing. You should be a little sad or like pretend to be sad, but also does this route even speak Russian? I don't think so. Maybe maybe it'll be bilingual. I'm just saying, or you mean language dead. No one knows. There's no way to find out. There's no way to find out the Google doesn't exist. Will doesn't work. So now, let's talk about this in a while. Okay, he's going to now numb, His Pain by doing shots of Johnnie Walker orange. Yeah. I don't like, I don't think Johnnie Walker aren't know. Here's the thing. What I think it is. Yeah. Oh, I don't think that Johnny Walker Orange Israel, but I think that, you know, how, like on like duty free or like cruise ships. They have like special edition things. I feel like maybe that's just said, do you think it's the Carnival Cruise? Johnnie Walker? Yes. Yes. The Disney cruise even in. Johnny, Crawford, Johnny Crocker hear me Johnnie Walker like Donald off addition. I can't even find like I'm Googling it and you can't find it. I know. Know was that Johnny Walker? Yeah. I think it was just some kind of wage. Limited. We could be like very wrong, but I can't wait for everyone to correct us here. But I don't think that that exists. I think the limit does not exist. Okay. Well, if you guys know what kind of alcohol was being, tell us in a nice way. Tell us a very, very nice way. You're talking to your mommy. Tell us in a nice way. Okay, but see now, I'm looking and I'm like, I don't think that was a Johnny Walker bottle. Yeah. What do you think? It was? Like, let me look cuz a Johnny Walker bottle is Slim and tall. Is it Jameson? Well Jameson. They know that person cuz I saw it. I thought it was Johnnie Walker. Maybe I just didn't look enough wage like cuz I could hear, Let me see. I'm looking at. Look at a bar. I'm looking at this bar, and it doesn't match any of the Whiskey's, maybe it's not whiskey. I don't know. He seems like a whiskey drinker. This is no because it was amber colored the bottle and if it's amber colored is not usually like scotch or whiskey. Like they don't make vodka in an amber color. Oh, I know. Let's see Scotch Brands. Oh, maybe that's what we need to. I'm just trying to think of Something that has a color cuz usually Scotch Brands aren't very colorful. Like Laphroaig and Glenlivet like they're all just like green bottles. This is very confusing. I'm going to check it out again. Okay, I need you to check it out again. And obviously everyone that's listening is so mad right now because they're yelling what it is at us, but we can't hear them. I live or people do that, though. All right, go into our group 90 Day Fiance trash. Talk on Facebook. Join the group. Make sure you tell us what this alcohol was that Mike is pounding to numb his pain. The way that cult pounded alcohol to numb his pain. He had iced tea in that bottle cult. I'm convinced. I don't know. I don't know. Who the hell did your Jack Daniels? Like that young age? Well, everything in this house is so messy, always, you're right, though. The display cases are like, old paperwork. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even like them. Displaying like they're nicely. Just a bunch of junk. Yeah. It's always actual. Yeah. It's like a junk drawer. Yes. It's a truck or displayed in a glass Shelf. Oh, okay. I like it. So beautiful. She feels very unheard. I think they both feel unheard. She leaves an outside is dark and foggy. Like the world is ending. Yeah. Well, his world is supposed to be ending and then she reminds him. She reminds us that he was not willing to marry her. And I gotta tell you, she won me back. Okay, so I was thinking the same thing. It's like, yeah, that's right. He was terrible. And he was stringing her, a look. He made her go to the airport. Yes. He had Tamara Mera drive her to the airport. He had the love of Uncle Bo's price. Yeah, get in her buggy. Mhm, and drive her for hours to Seattle, but that's what I mean. So, it's like they're both terrible, but I forgot how terrible Mike was though. I do feel like Juliana kind of talked her into this though. Okay, but, you know, wage Yeah, it was probably Natalie's plan from the beginning to go live with Juliana. No, but to get away from Mike. Well, yeah, cuz she never liked Mike. She never liked Mike. I think she might have liked him before she moved there because that's when she wanted to have a baby. And then we never heard of that again. And where is her friends? That Lana donde. Estas de donde, esta. Jonas. Yeah, we're dead. Okay, so Juliana's headband is just sparkling in the night. So, I was her wig. And then Juliana has to make a p p. I that's balls and I would not have gone in that house. So Mike, can I make a p p? And he goes, this is a quote use my bathroom, take my life wife. Take my wife, please. So now she wants to make a speech after she does a beeping. Oh, I Love Her speech. And she's like, Mike may I see some words? He's like no, I'm fine. I'm good. May I say some words to the academy? I would like you to know that you have a job and you have your cat and then she hugs him as he's, he is solidly not moving and she cuz you can always call me. He's like great. Well, uh, huh, Julia that can't be real Juliana. Is it real? I don't know if she's a figment of my imagination. She is from Central Casting. Yeah, there's something not right here. Also, so they they mentioned Juliana and her family. I need to see them to know. They exist Juliana's in it. In a costumer. Yeah. She is in a costume. They were just as Merlin the magician, we're going to cast someone in this role. She's going to be really quirky. You know, like we said she definitely looks like an organic cat. Midwife you look like a stargazer reads tarot cards, and then she's probably like a very talented actress Julianne khong. Like, okay, give me more notes and they're like, all right, just like very Gypsy, like and very weird. Also, a closeted lesbian, right? That's true. And she's like, say no more fam. Got this, and she improved this character. This is quite a character. She's playing. And then Natalie gives us a beautiful, just a recap. A summary of how she feels now. Does she feel? I feel like I'm a bird dog that got shot by a gun and I cannot fly honestly same. Yeah. That's how Natalie makes me feel young, girl. Same very strange. Noel, Natalie might be single soon. Yes, she will be end tonight on ABC love is a beach and someone will get burned down here in Paradise is finally back with your favorite, bachelors and bachelorettes looking for love in all the right and wrong places. It's going to be. So s p effed-up starting wage on ABC. These guys and gals have waited a long time to get back to the beach, and they're just bursting thirsting and pounding against the the waves crashing. And just to make it a bit hotter, a few celebrities or packing their bags to guest host, David Spade. That's wild Little John, Lance Bass loved ones. They'll dip their toes in the paradise Waters. This season, can Queen Victoria find her King will Connor. The cat prove that he can kiss anyone, even talked to Carl, Carl Carl. It's Paradise like you've never seen and who knows someone or someones might get married think you've seen this before Beach. Please, Bachelor in Paradise Premiere is tonight at 8 a.m. Central on ABC. All right. Well, you know, what else is premiering? What the barbecue at, Andre & Libby's, father's house. Yeah. That was fun to watch. I liked it. I need to. Yeah, it was a lot of see-sawing. It was a lot of physical altercations. A lot of work went into this song. And there is a barbecue and the alpha choices are just perfect. You know, what's funny is is that Libby's wearing leopard and then Andres wearing a shirt was Tiger wage on it or tigers on. I don't know the difference. I have no letters. Oh, okay. Never never. Never worked in a zoo. I think it's Tigers. Now that you say this. It's a large feline. Yes, ma'am. Shirt. I'm yeah. Oh, I had an asthma attack watching this but I like the choice. She will never. She cannot dress for the job. She has she does not know how to dress for an occasion. What do you say she does have had to read a room. You cannot read a room. She said, I don't know. I don't know if she could read. I don't think she could read. She's very cross is crooked. She's very angular. So very non symmetrical. Yes. Yes, that's a better way to put it. So she's wearing a leopard shirt with long sleeves and big gold art deco. Earrings, I guess she's wearing like a bodysuit. What's happening here? I don't know. All right, and also there's no kids allowed at the family. Barbeque. Well, I guess because they know, you know the slugfest it's the Royal Rumble, right? They know this isn't the family Barbeque. Why can't you just say the fight of the century, right? He just had some random ass Bubba, Burgers on a cold, grill. With that. Okay, can't even deal with that. I will never get over that check engine are. Oh, this is what he says. This is a quote from, from Andre. Okay, Rebecca and Jen are entitled bees and Charlie is just a broken s brick. I mean, he's not wrong. I love how he says it like very matter-of-factly. And then Libby's like wait what was like don't call my sister-in-law which is shut up Libby and now the gold bag and the heels that she's where what but you're going to your dad's house dad's BBQ for a break birth. And then they're calling check data. Yeah. Hi Dad. I got myself wind that you did this on your own. It's like, okay. Do anything down there anything? He said that Maryland was the last time that they saw each other. So that's like a week ago relaxed guys, but how is the okay so cuz that's not the last time he saw Libby and Andre. I don't know cuz they all met at that house. That they're going to get. I thought. Okay. Okay. So so now he talks about taking Libby to dinner. Like he what? You think he did. I know to an Italian restaurant. It's authentic. They have chicken parm. Yeah, they have chicken parm and the cook. He knows someone from Italy, so he does. Yeah. I know. They named a fettuccine. After I'm just saying, Andre is pumped on the new flip. I know. But like, I do, like excited. He gets what he sees chalk. Like they give each other a dab because on the mouth. It's very cute. So, Becky arrives with a full full skirt and a, your belt bag. Yes, and now I look on the table. There's a bowl of beans. There's something that's being served directly out of a pot from the so, huh, and then I think it was Becky that song. Dad stirs the pot and it's like, it's right there. It's right there. I'm watching him do it. I don't know what's in it, but he definitely stood that pot. Also. I don't think that girl was hot. There was nothing. There was no smoke, no l home. Okay. Well Rebecca said that Andres the issue and then they all talk about how they got a drink. What was that about? I don't know. But why is everybody say it? They had to all announced? They were like, hi, Dad. I got myself a glass of wine. Hi Dad. I'm drinking wine and I have it in my hands high and it's like, are we doing improv? Becky had on very cute, you out on these mules and they were studded. They were very too much. Everything's too much. Now, everything rots and burgers on this cold Grill called Grill. I dare you to invite me to your house for Bubba. Burgers, Chuck, and brats. Something about Burgers. Have a place. Not in my house. It's not in my mouth. I'll tell you that much. Yeah,. That's where their place is away from me. Bubba, Burgers. The caramelized onion, ones, Vidalia onion one. Sorry, the ones in the yellow mom's not so bad. Not something I served though. I mean, that's, that's fine. Just want a real Burger. That's fine for company. That's fine. If you're having like a big barbecue, but it's having your kids over by some ground and make a Patty. We got some brats. He got some burgers. We got a bowl of beans, we have everything. That's b b with everything. That's Tracy, hates historical levels, and he said that he he hasn't called his kids since the birthday house incident. All right. Well, it's like maybe you're being a jerk to get out of my birthday house. Yeah. I love that. Andrei suggests that they all get along and love. He's like, I can't eat. I can't eat, I can't log. Cuz we're I'm stressed out my belly hurts. Okay, say really walks in and they start fighting. Did they have security there? Okay, they had security there. They, they knew wage cuz they were like, hey, we need security. We're going to have a Royal Rumble, but Charlie walks in, he's like call the cops call the cops. I'm here to call the cops and it's like, oh don't worry, Charlie. We got secure when she called the cops. Have your feral wife know. Well, how do you know when fall in the pool? But okay, right. You have time for kids. That was crazy. This is a week fight. Yeah. This is lame. I would have be charged up so bad. I know live, He's cursing out Megan and Megan was hitting Andre in the head. Yeah. She's a rat wild animal. That's Libby State. Well, you know, what? What do you expect? From a party with bratwurst know at least had an inground pool. I know. Well, that's true. Chuck threatens a heart attack. Right? Well, I'm going to drop dead right now. Okay, and then he said to Andre, you fight with my son and we are done, and then he fake cries. The fake right, whales he is Wailing. And then he said, Thursday is my worst nightmare. But Becky calling Megan trailer trash shows flipping out like, you are Trail address. I like that. Everybody finally saw like Charlie's the problem. Yeah. So now this is what Chuck says. He says, all I care about is my family. Not the business. I don't talk shop. You're not selling it to me page hosted, Royal Rumble, but you knew what you were doing. You didn't even turn your grill on. That's how I know. You knew what you were saying. You told them to keep the kids at home? Yes. He was like, there's going to be blood wage. Yeah, the security guard. Let's do it. Let's get the EMTs unclosed ambulance outside. Just I know you pull up to the house and there's just an ambulance Outside Alone. Ambulance standby. Just never know what's going to happen at the cookout. Never know if someone's going to get food poisoning from the bumper Burgers. Also, is this a cookout, is this? What a cookout is? No, this is not what I would call a cookout Noel. Yeah, if I went to your house and this was the barbecue were, you were presenting to me. It would be very mad at me. I would, I would know. I wouldn't be mad. I would be like, oh, that's so weird. I actually can't say I have to go home. I have to go home. My mom's calling me. I'm grounded. We had a cookout with a good chicken thighs. Yeah. We did. We did. This is not what happened know, this is bad. Well Becky's husband said that Charlie came in Andre Joseph. See. But I like he always has Andres back like really off. Okay, but even Jen seems to be on Andreas side. Yeah, and then Charlie comes at him again. And then Andre unbuttons his tiger shirt. I know Andre, I feel like he was genuinely met. I don't think that was acting. He seemed like I know he was also like and then we could put this on my only fans. Yes. Becky, and her husband. Yeah, he'll talk to get Charlie. Some mental help. I think he needs help for a physical addiction as well. I think so too. That they say that they're done with the family. They're done with the business. Chuck is still crying. Megan is screaming at chalk. Like, who are you? Like, she, they're not even even your mom, dad. I know and then Charlie's talking like a WWE wrestler. I'll be back like when Hulk Hogan like Macho Man. Randy Savage, uh-huh, their videos, and they would like, talk smack into the camera. Yes, and they don't know what's going to happen to you brother was like, oh my God. Tracy, you just like Channel rattled my brain. You channeled, Hulk Hogan. Yeah, so yeah, he was, I had on my, my ripped red shirt on my yellow. Bandana. I like it, your hair. They had a relative to see. Okay. Yes. It was like bow meet the Hogan's or something. Remember his daughter Brooke had like grills. She was such a loser. They were all crazy. But this is what is very confusing to me. Yeah. So Tom is had under his back and then didn't, and then didn't and his back and then didn't write. They were like, they were both the problem. It's like, you just said that Andre was not the problem right off. I feel like they didn't want to turn on Charlie completely, I guess, but it seemed that they vary. I think that also wants Megan attacked Libby. That's when Becky got mad. Yes. Yeah, but it was it was flip-flopping and maybe the editing was bad. Sure. I think so too. So no one really knows what's happening. 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His mom is comforting as well over breakfast. Okay. Nice. He said that. He thought the blanket was a really good idea. She's not mad at him. Why? I know, I know, I think, you know, he, I think that we forget like this is his culture, you know, it's okay, but it's just different than us off. Okay, but you gave me the blanket in front of your mom to certify it. I don't know if he did it to start a fight. I don't think that he thinks deeply enough. Well, I think he's, like, if I give her a baby like it, she's definitely going to want to have a baby, but I think that's the way. He thinks collini was like, listen, I would have another baby, but do we even have a pink blanket? Right? So, we can't have baby. We don't have a blanket. Like, I have a solution. I can fix this song. He said he's totally done with Tammy. I don't blame him and then they break the news that was in California. And her mom wants to be closer to California. So they're selling the house. Why can't you just live in California? Okay, but why is she want to be closer but not in? I don't understand. What does he do for work? So he could only work in California and able to live on the borderline of California. Why are you a wanted woman there? You know, what? Why you want? Probation is Colleen. He's still living with them cuz remember she was living with them for a few months. No one knows. Yeah, no way to find out, no way to find out. So she wants to be closer to California or selling the house and Kehlani says, basically that they need to wait for the money from his accident to buy a house, huh? Yes, why don't they have money to get their own place? I'm not saying buy a house. You don't have a month or an apartment. Are you on the show? Okay, I don't know what it is. I don't know if they have to pretend, they don't have any money cuz clearly her family has some money, right? I don't think she's ever worked when I sold the house. They can't give you a few dollars know. All right. Well, but here's the thing. That's why I think this is BS cuz I'm sure they would. I'm sure low would be like, I'll put a down payment down for you guys,. But even just rent an apartment now, she can't show me how to kids. You have two boys. You could put him in the same room. You don't have him, they have to have two cars. To go where he well and he Ubers right? I don't know. I don't understand. Whatever. And then he goes to the smash room. Okay, here's my problem with the smash room. Okay, you're only wearing a face guard in front of your face. Yeah, all the things you're smashing. They can go into your face. You can inhale them. Yes. Yeah. I hate it off. Also, I like that. There was the dryer in there. Or what are you going to? You're just I guess? Yeah, right. Like I want there to be like plates to smash. I want the last things I want to break like glasses. Oh, I think they even there. Yeah, like I want to go in the Greek room at what they do in the Greek restaurants. Oh, you know what I would like to do in the Greek room. Yeah. Have some chicken slovaki. Okay, we're getting. Okay. So let's eat in there and then we break everything. We ate on. Okay, good. And then we don't have to do the dishes. Yeah, spring. Come. I would like to see key sauce me to okay, good. I don't, I wouldn't be an Asian Sauce. Fountain. I don't want any Mayo in it just yogurt, yogurt, based yogurt and sour cream-based Taziki's. That's exactly what I make. Yes, same. Okay, perfect. I can't wait to go there with you. I can't wait to this church. So he hangs with two e and two. He looks like Cory from Teen Mom. Yeah, he does. He does. And this is, this is what I'm thinking about, right? As well as mad at, what his mom said and super upset. But who cares what his mom said, I would have definitely handled the situation differently. He's a different though. I know. But even even kehlani like, why are you fighting with them over the kids that you're going to? Why are you fighting with them over your body? I would have been like, oh, okay, cool. See. But that's a big. This is Josh. How I am. You know that I've been cleaning. Like it's her choice. It's her body and it's like Harry. Make it like she's getting pregnant. No matter what choice, as well as Mom decides It Off. She decides it, right? I would. Oh, okay, cool, like great. We're going to have 10 kids by go to Samoa by. Yeah. Oh my God, I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant with four kids right now. Pregnant by Celia. Winston my belly. I do remember those. Yes, I got to remember the theme song, the the jingle. No, Quince, Quincy. My time is more fun. I love making time for each and every one and it was the five babies in the one crib. Oh, I remember what it was. Yeah. Hey, I remember Quinn say hi, Quince. I had little pet shop. I had every. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then it was. Yes, the Queen's. Oh my God. They were sad. It's were fun. They were but they weren't though do anything right away. They invest was those cupcake dolls. You know that. Oh, I learned how much I loved all. They smelled very good. Look at these quindt's. There was always one that was cuter to show me a quint dead. There was all of them and they used to all lay in bed together. Like they were the family from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. You know, that there's something wrong with you. That's not what I pictured in my head at all. What did you think they were? I picked. Here's the thing. I know what they are cuz I had Quince. What I pictured in my head was this is weird. I don't even notice assist it think of like a giant Peapod. Okay, and it was like you open it and it never know. How many kids are going to be in there. This was a thing. I'm telling you, you could have four kids in this teapot. You could have Quince in this pea pod. Okay. Let's see. He had dolls this whole thing. I know it was. Yes. It was they were called a pod babies. Yes. This is what I was picturing. Collectible mystery, surprise mini baby. Yes. Yes, okay. I feel better pretty similar. Yeah, that's exactly what I was picturing. Yes. It's pretty similar know. The Quints. They all were in the same crib and the crib was just long and it really reminds me of Grandpa. Charlie the Chocolate lay in bed all day long. Yes. I like together. I lay in bed all day long grandpa or just by myself. Okay, Mom. That's not what we were talking about, Iraq. So a swallow starts crying about not being able to send money, shut up. I don't give me a break. You know, what grow up? Yeah, and now too, he says, why don't you try to go live in some wah and Noel, I'm very confused. So he said that you have no bills in somewhat and you don't need money. So why do you have to send money for the church? That's what I'm gotta be. What are you talking about? See, but here's the thing, right? So I was thinking I've been thinking about this and she said it cuz we didn't bring it up. His mother says that she would wake up in the morning. She would put the light on and she would make the mats. I thought that they didn't have electricity and now he was put the cans on but that's what I mean. I don't understand and then he was saying you don't have any bills. So is there electric is or not? I said you just live on them off the land. So why is your mother making mats? Right? Why would you need money? Why does she need any money? Cuz she traded the church. What's going on here or maybe to buy like meat because they're only growing vegetables or buy rice. I don't know. I don't know. Well, he's have no bills. You don't need anything. You live off the land. I don't. I also think he's a black Dom. He is a dumb. Yeah, volleyball is his favorite. So they play volleyball together and very cute. You suggest very casually that they moved to someone but I like that. She's off by flying back a laugh. She's like, oh, he's ever going to go for that was like, No. And she said she doesn't want to be away from her family and he almost like he tries to bully her. He's like, well, you're not a real Samoan woman because you don't speak the language. And she's like, okay. She's like, oh, okay. That's fun. I want her to be Simone, because in his mind, it's like Samoan women. Like listen to their men, right? That's his. Yeah, they take care of the kids and they'll have a million kids cuz they have literally nothing else to do. Right. No, I don't want to do that. She doesn't have to do that and You can raise your kids in a Peapod and actual Peapod, you know, yeah, that's you just grow very big pea pods. Okay, that works. She said she'll stay for a month or two. He said, that's not enough, and it's like, oh well see, but this is where he loses me. He gets good. And then he's is he goes all the way like, hey, we got what he should do, is try to convince her to stay there and he should go and say, hey can we stay for a month and see if you like it here? Yeah. Can we stay for a month? And then show her? Really? How great it is? Yeah, dude. This is a problem that this is a thing. It's a big tree. Gave me a brownie tree. Show me how you live off the land. Yeah, plans of cheese. French. Onion dip tree. I don't know. They're not seeing eye-to-eye and maybe they should go to counseling. I think that's a great idea, but they would need a counseling app that you could use worldwide. Right? What? Would that with you? I think better help better. Help is worldwide. And there's a broad range of expertise available which may not be locally available in many areas. So, like, I don't think they have cognitive behavioral therapists in that area of someone that they're going to be in, right? I'm thinking the same thing. 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I don't understand what's happened. Okay, so when they were walking to the therapist office the other day, it was almost like a maze like Tiffany's. Like I don't know where I'm going. So maybe it was like a plaza of some sort, or maybe it was like a retreat. I don't know. It's like on a sorry. It's almost like he was the police. They went to for a date and they were arguing remember like and she had left the date or whoever, I don't know what here. So Ronald is yelling at the producers. What? She's a queen dead. Okay, so he finds her talking to the producers and she's smiling and he is big man. Well, he thinks that she's like making fun of him or whatever right over it. Yeah, so she stays there and he speeds off but also you're going to go home together. You live together. Why are you doing this? But also she goes into the production van to get a ride home, aren't they not supposed to interact with them? Right? And also when she was talking, she very much seemed drunk like, the way she was talking. She seemed drunk. That's why I'm like, did they really eat? What happened? I don't know. Well, she's embarrassed of him. He's screaming. What the after you doing here in the, in the house, right? He's sitting in front of a surveillance camera screen off on a hot on the hore. He says he's going to keep the kids there without her. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay sure. I'm sure that they're going to I'm sure the courts are going to say that's a great idea off. Not even your child, bro. You also have a stranger's kid. Like there is a thing. I don't like Tiffany at all that in the confessional. She had very nice hombre. Her hair off. Tiffany always looks very nice. Her. I know her hair is on point constant. I've never seen her hair like this. It was so it was like golden at the end. It looked so nice. She said she does always look put-together. She's always on point. Yeah, so she doesn't know if she should stay or not. And then I look over and this stove in this house is like a dollhouse stove. I feel like I didn't notice. It was so tiny. So she wants to talk about what happened and he's basically gaslighting her. I don't know. I have to tell you, I see it from both ends here. Okay. So he says this is a quote. Keep quiet know your place, right? Well again, this is the culture, just took us wailer. Just like Andre there at the Macho, Man of the House. You're not allowed to have an opinion, but this is how he was raised, and this is how she goes into it. Knowing he's like this, you decided to have a kid with him and marry him to say he was never a different, but that's what I mean. He's always been like this and then she says something, so weird. And the way you're right though, the way she said it was crazy. She goes seems weird that she goes. You're used to a little bitch. Okay. She's talking. I know that you don't watch Eastbound & Down, but she's talking like Stevie from Eastbound & Down. Like, he just the way he's, he says that just like that, really? Okay. I'm going to find a clip from it and posted in the group and if you guys watch you spend down, you know, exactly what I'm talking about. So cool. He tells her to leave and then he stands up wage. Going to hit her Ida. Okay. I didn't like that. It's a he like mini charged at her. I don't know like that he packs and then she said the marriage is over. Okay, where are the kids? Okay. So this is why I think this is also part of the night. They had that date like they spliced all together because this is mom's watching the kids. Yes, unless they went on a date and then they went back to the I don't know. I don't understand. I don't know. It basically is like this episode. Just everyone breaking up. Yes. Okay. So now let's move on. Let's move onto Yara and Jo V. Ho vo bi ARA and Jo V. Ho V Jo V. Got his own room. Okay, I did he though. I feel like I don't even believe that Gwen asked why they went to the show club. And I just, I love Gwen wage. I love her. So, do I, she is very, very nice. I like that. She's like, I I questioned Yara know, like, you know, I was wrong. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like, hey Shelby, you're stupid job. What you are, you're very stupid. So, jov is like what job? He's like. Well, Yara wanted to go. Okay. Okay. I mean just cuz she went doesn't mean she wanted to. She wanted to go and then she decided she didn't want to go. So then leave also you didn't have to blow a kiss at the stripper. Either that was captured song, weird. So disrespectful to towards your wife, you know, that would piss her off. So Gwen takes the baby and Gwen is one hundred percent on your aside. She just she looks a job and she's grow up Jovi. Maybe it's true. He's just being a bfp. He's used to having all the attention and he doesn't have it all now. Yep, so she wants to talk but at the beach, I know she's like if you want to talk to me follow me to the beach. Okay, but she had sneakers and denim shorts. Again. Tracy she has on sneakers. Also. Did you notice when she was talking to the confessional like she had on the same alphabet denim sneakers. Her chest was beat em. Read like crazy, right? I think she got sunburn. I did not notice that. So I like her attitude. She's like if you don't like me you can someone else. Yeah. Yep. Like it good for her. She's like I don't really care, right? You do, what makes you happy? If you don't like her, keep it moving. And then she says, quote stop this party animal life. It's true. They'll grow up. Yeah, and your party once a while you can't party every day. I agree with her. She's like, listen. My life in the US is challenging. Yeah, listed it's not because she has such a bad life, but I know she had a baby all alone except for Gwen. Yes. Who invented the day is still new to her, right? And then right, that's still not your mom, right? It's not your mom. It's not your family. You just met her home yet Colvin hit you got covid-19. So your husband's never home because of work, but he's never home. Even more than he wasn't going to be home before because of it. You could have it much easier if she went back home and was around her family and friends, know, read. So now let's move on to Angela and Michael Michael. Okay, smoking smoking up, a storm, smoking up a storm, Wiles all these outfits. I know what her style is interesting. I Skyler looks cute though. I can't believe is what goes on with Angela and she gets to his doctor's office and she goes, they go, how can I help you? She goes, I'm Angela. Okay, and they're like, oh, okay. You must be here to see the doctor said. Well, as considering it's a doctor's office. I am. Yes, so she said, you know, if me and Michael decides to have this, baby. Oh, really is. Oh, it's cuz you guys haven't decided, that's why you had. That's what it is. You haven't decided and she said that she won't go outside of her bloodline. Oh, you say you can't go outside of your Champion bloodline, but that's what it said. You can't adopt an adult. No. No, but there were talking about using a donor egg and she's like, oh no, no, no, I can't go out of my blog. I know, she's only well. She only wants a purebred. Angelababy. That sounds great. She she's just has such a great heritage know. She sees she, she probably just Champion DNA. So she also tells Skyler that's maybe Skyla is over relating but also like enough with Skyla, like she's not giving you her, I'd get over and she's also ask. I'll always says egg may not get money in my age. You can't towed, it was fifty-five years old. I know. Angela stop stop and then she explains how Michael Got his sample and the doctors like yeah, that's how you do it. Well, why does she do that? He masturbated into a car. She's like, yeah, that's how it. That's how it how it goes. Yeah. What do you think is going to be? What? That's not how we do it here right now. See, maybe they open their balls and we just take it right out. That's not, I don't know. That sounds fishy Kerala. There was probably a girl and she was probably cheating on you. So Skyler, basically wants the doctor to tell her that. It's not right, right. And that like, stop just stop. The doctor also said she doesn't really see 55 year olds. Yeah. I don't think this is very common. I imagine having a newborn at 55 know and she said also some of the time it goes wrong. I think a lot of the time it goes wrong. She said it caused a hundred thousand dollars just for the medical that's horrifying. She's not sure if she can get pregnant and then Angela says, all right, ma'am. She doesn't think she should have a baby right now. Okay, if you're not ready now, it's not going to happen, Okay, but also it's not going to happen. Right? I think it's just not going to happen. But you led Michael under false pretenses and then she says she comes back to reality and she goes on to effing old. Okay, but also, you could have told him this before you got home. Okay, but also the deal-breaker, they're both at fault. I don't think he knows better. I just don't I well, that's his fault. Yeah. No. It is. But, you know, too bad. We didn't get to see him to scam someone and get to America. Yeah, and you know, she was trying to pretend that she was going to have your kid and there you go. No branded. In Julia this episode. I'm not sad. Thought said your part just keeps getting lower and lower. Yeah. I know. I keep changing the part my hair cuz I'm a hairstylist. Like, I see that Noel. Yeah. This is a great episode wage. Always it just reminds everyone everything that we talked about in this show, as far as our amazing sponsors always in the show notes and also to our patreon is there too and Noel is K, a bang-up job running our social media. 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Episode 13: Fathers of Daughters (Part 1)

Minerva's Creative Conversations™

25:18 min | 4 months ago

Episode 13: Fathers of Daughters (Part 1)

"Welcome to the nervous creative conversations. I'm your host of salis and i wanted to personally welcome and thank you for joining us today. We're glad you're here because this podcast is great for you. It is a podcast dig deeper into influential successful women's personal journeys and professional careers and how their stories can inspire others to succeed today. We're doing a special show on father's up daughters and my special guest is dr. Bob khudai an osteopathic practitioner. Do mp an alternative medicine doctor and rejuvenator plus wellness clinic. Owner doctrine awry has been practicing alternative medicine for over ten years and the greater toronto area. He has helped. Many patients become free from pain and discomfort heels. Sports injuries muscular injuries. Inflammatory conditions are the rightist and chronic diseases doctrine. Awry can quickly identify the source of your discomfort and develop a healing plan that will effectively cure your most stubborn afflictions and enable you to enjoy daily work and home life once again doctrine awry. Welcome to the show a little to you. Thank you for having me. Thank you for taking the time to be on the show today as it also pathway practitioner. Can you explain to our listeners. What is osteopathy medicine. Osteopathy to just make it very simple What we do is we are on the holistic side of medicine and basically all all our procedures are very similar to chiropractic or a combination of choppy practic and on the holistic side of it. So we deal with the with the national body functional and be we've worked with so many different So that's what we do so it's interrelated so it seems like it's all connects. It connects the systems in the body's correct pretty much. I always tell my patients. If you have pain you come to me. If you do not have pain call company like 'cause the pain you caused a a. They're the founding father. Dr andrew taylor still is the founder of pathak medicine and he believed that spine problems could send nerve signals out to the oregon's and make you sick. So that is very alarming to hear how can also pass the aid in restoring the nerves to a healthy state and promoting circulation so the body can heal itself. What is really up to the patient. In fact like you know every case is different but generally men that the patient come to me I have all kinds of questions. I want to go to the background of infected patient and see what could cause about could causing the issue that person has and and More starting the general question and questioning and Seeing what could be the issue and we followed right from their generally like if somebody come to the knee pain. I don't focus only on meeting the half. The won't always finding the source salts the source of the issue and you know like some people have their say artika and nobody some people experience an epa funny enough like and they have no back lower back problem but they do have a back which is causing all the pain because if the body is not balanced it caused a lot of problem in fact four for the person and we make sure in fact that balances their sizes that medicine is about the whole body not specific parts of the body absolutely absolutely in osteopathy believing everything in that body is connected and it me we. Sometimes i feel like in fact like befalto the same philosophy acupuncture eve it because we believe in fact amelia in In in the body has to be completed and scenes in fact. I do acupuncture as well. an idea to study about it like I jus- combining fact the treatments osteopathy and acupuncture and finally i find the source of the issue. That's very interesting now. What are some of the signs of musculoskeletal problem. And when should a person seeking osteopathic physician in general of when you have pain. I always believe in fact your body talks to you and When you when you sensing fact certain certain discomfort and pain Yuna something is wrong and the best method is actually the best way to deal with this to to riley vaccine elp and try to find it. Find a and resolve the issue before it gets worse like i do have people coming here and they have gone to the doctors to medical doctors for years but But they never they never Try to deliver trying to find a source off the issue and they always mascot medicine. I mean it's good extra Take advil or tylenol or something as a painkiller avenue headache but if you do have that headache On a regular basis every day or so often you have to find the source. And if you do not find a source any become chronic and once any become chronic. It's very hall of very hard to deal. And so how do you clients with these problems. And what are some of the techniques or procedures that you use to help your clients chief mike. My clinic actually likely used it one of the best louisville laser machine which medical Sorry they call him meditate by flakes. Which is one of the most famous low level laser Which is a great mission and use it for so many different cases because legal. Believe most of the problem for the body start from inflammation and dead machines designing fact reduce the inflammation and i. I have done numerous different procedures on different patients. Different cases even the team. Jay problem which happens like my father had a few years back and I could not could not infected the doctor fast enough. And he was fully booked and Tropical cyclone the team jay on her face because she could not open her jaw and she was in severe pain. and after after a two sessions. My daughter was fine and and to pointing factual saying like you're not gonna you're not gonna extracting effective easily because Death was the cause of the problem because jogging not have enough space and death causing old limitations so we do a lot of things here. I do illuminated trump. i do have the ifc mission which is practically Sending aquasonic leaves into the muscles and I do acupuncture so often. I missing so many different modalities and machines find out in fact for past fourteen fifteen months so many people company about headaches and And one of the reason is because of the stress and I do believe the pandemic has a lot to do with it. and wanting for sure I always ask my patients to do on regular basis on everyday practically do the stretching. Because if you're working kan city on the desk for eight nine hours a day if you're a full time employee of what happens to your body. Our bodies not designed to be seating our bodies designing fact to walk to run and eventually to lay down and unfortunately Now when you look at our lives and lower our lifestyle. Vr mostly sitting and mostly sitting at the desk and then your body become like a chair position And you're not not made a metal and you know you're you're an adult what it really caused. The problem is blood circulation and mendel say coalition is not is not property is not is not Basically proper what's gonna happen. Your muscles go to span and all this. A spasm eventually turned out to be a problem. And then the ak- start on the paint start and the migraine headaches and gone gone. So every case in fact i mean do some similarity between the cases i see of course. Each patient has his own unique. In fact like issue to deal with it. Sounds very tonight. I believe you know as you just said the pandemic it just made matters even much much worse because now more people are working online. They're studying online. They're hoping their children study online. So it's you're constantly in sitting position so that's a lot of strain on your spine and you'll lower back and if you're not exercising strategy like you said these two two spasm so it's important. I believe to stretch and to strengthen your muscles and to have these type of techniques that you're offering because i think you're restoring the cell function in the body. That's helping the body to heal. Better obscenity absolately. I think has to more than anything else. i mean. pandemic pandemic Husband the biggest disaster happened to humanity. And you're still dealing with it as you see. Unfortunately and people people lost in fact their lifestyle you know like i mean i have quite few friends in fact used to go to the gym right after work end up chatting and exercising stretching and the environment was very healthy. We lost on that connection. We lost all that in fact like time to use to socialize and do the things in fact which our body needed after eight nine hours of working now I come myself to the office I never stop working. Except maybe a month which we have been tilted forcing factor shut down as a private Basically practitioner and i come here every day. But i see that i'm sitting a lot more. I do a lot of concentration on the phone as you said and the seating is worse than anything else you know like he's just he's just like is just a slow slow Way off in fact the killing your body practic mile. It's unbelievable all that's happened. So i thank you for that information. I think it's very invaluable. And now i want to turn the belief year and tap into our theme of the show which is fathers of daughters. Being father plays an important role in a man's life and it can be challenging if the child is as a father of a daughter. Can you describe your relationship with your daughter lord. This is a good one. And as you know i did not prepare myself in fact answer all the questions and as we discussing the prior to these This interview. I even told you like i do not want to know the questions. And i try to be as honest as possible. every answer and And if i want to describe myself and my relationship with my daughter who is twenty. Three years old. I would say One of the best relationship It could be. It could be possible. Give you one example loss like my was my birthday as I think probably saw thank you so much. Probably signed on my facebook and She asked me. If if i want to go out. I said honey. Most of the restaurants are closed. And you know like she's looking to do something you can go to nature. And i said no i rather to be home. And she managing to bring three off her friends and I know two of these These friends that have been together practically all my god for twenty years and But maybe seventeen eighteen years and don't like my own. Keep their like adopted kids. So day came home and V made firing fox in the backyard and she managed by merely the bisky and she knows. I don't drink for pasta for pasta thirty forty days. I decided to do not drink and she says well. Dad is your birthday on a botchy days. Nice johnnie walker tiny. I don't even need like joining walker. And she says oh my god this is blue johnny walker and you know you know how much i paid for it and i said okay. I'm gonna have it and we had a great time i have. I mean from time to time Debts expected in fact to have Legal issues or problems with your kid because after all you know like you try to be a friend that your kid at the same time. You're a father so then you are witnessing your daughter doing something wrong and the ad of course you try to experiment and And do things in fact she likes and some of the things are against my beliefs. And i know that she's going to knock her head through that through the hard floor but then again i have to do it and sometimes you know i remember when sarah was growing up And she was talking to me. I mean we have been always so clues. Sometimes i want to know sometimes i was choking but i had to still stay there and listen because because if i showed in fact on pani king den then she would pause and and that's not good you have to let her letter state because then at least you have a chance to guide and try to maneuver rounding fact that subject and tried to somehow be a father and passed some of your expenses to experience. You have to her. It's kinda is kinda rough road. Being parents is very difficult doesn't matter father or mother on this your parent who don't care. I mean there are exceptions to rules and there are some fathers who are sadly a sperm donors. I call them and They they don't have much rule in in in in in their kid's life and they just they just produce and that's the saddest part and that's one of the reasoning society. We find out in fact. There's lots of mischief. So there's lots of wrong things. A kids kids needs in fact parenting. They need the supervision they need to. They need the law more than anything else. There are some parents in north america. They bombarding factors shower their kids Dettori's the iphone twelve at. But i full twelve is not lost is just in fact something to add to just make you comfortable as a father to say i wipe my s- my child with the iphone iphone twelve. I bought her the best phone. But the phone is not lost. The phone in fact is gonna give you more gap because your child is spend more time with the phone and not with you know need to sit with your child. You need to talk to your child. You need to play with your child even my twenty three years old. Sometimes she comes home. And i can see she wants to tell me something and i have to see john ritter. And even even create the create. The atmosphere created opportunity for her to open her mouth so buying a shopping. Every toys and different things is not is not what your tribe is looking for if you are if you if you can provide them if you can wipe them inside those toys. They need absolutely why not but more important that connection more important that that little kiss on her cheek and of course especially for doger's i think i think the gore's always look at you like a role model like like liking fact. They're looking in the future to find in a husband or boyfriend so lack of you not being there and Basically being so busy with work or lack of responsibility or trying to leave a senior life in your married or video father what that what. What do you teach that. Try to become one of you to become one of those people who are selfish and self center and and to me like being a father especially to the girls to your daughters is the biggest most difficult job. You can never house but there is such a pleasure in nfl. I think i. I mean for myself once when they get the legal case. That's that's it is. Liking fact is lucky. God gave me the gift and that does not stop. It happens so often. I have to say that wants to send your child grow up like an pass. Certain certain age She would not come to hug you. Even i mean. Sometimes i tell myself maybe i'd have to make an appointment to give the hawk But then again i do. What a husky do i make. Sure i hawker. I make sure i tell her. Good night i make sure. I stepped sometimes to two a m onto. She comes home. I can't sleep and she's twenty three years old. I can't sleep onto like the door downstairs. Did unlocked and a moment she closed. The door is life is beautiful. And i fall asleep. You know he made a good point about is that it's important to have a present other and present. Father acts as a role model for their daughter at home and at work while providing a fatherly blueprint. You just said a guide that she needs to have a healthy relationship with men later on in her life. What was the main blueprint that you gave to your daughter on how to deal with men later in her life like what were some of the you mentioned some you know just some examples but what specifically was your proof print for your daughter is not is not something in fact. Formulated are i is not to buy. Two four is is I think everyone has a different way of approaching kings and dino for myself i try. I tried in fact to teach her more than anything else to be independent and i tried ing back to To teach her to value thinks and to evaluate ships. And and the most most. I think Most important thing is to be honest and that does not if you're fourteen fifteen years old Girl want to date somebody or later on a marriage or meeting somebody or how or finding a boyfriend or whatever like you have to be honest and you have to also be launches of you know like that comes with it anyway. You know like myself again. The blueprint you mentioned you know like to you have to be. You have to teach your child to be kind honest but not a victim This is the thing you know like. Sometimes sometimes we are kind. And sometimes von to vive onto. Please people but then again if i have to please somebody but jeopardize my own integrity That's not good. And what i taught her to be honest. Be kind be generous bought. Don't ever become a toy for anybody to play with. So this is a thing. Like i i even told sarah like i said I was. I mean as a father sometimes hard because because you know men you're the menu yourself you're a man and you know how many things on how how they behave and so on and as far as hard that's your the princess and this leader princess is going be a dating somebody who's coming to pick up your daughter and you don't like the car you don't like the guy faced you don't trusted so an iron to that and you know like i mean sarah was dating somebody like age of eighteen or sixteen you know like and i had to stay cooed cool and collected like just a cool and calm and a bubba on warriors actually a holiday guy's gonna drive and you know how all he behaves and how he treats her and so on and so on but i had to let go but most important thing is actually give that confidence to your child's at the same time Just a teacher. what's the value. What's the value of the relationship. What she's supposed to expect. And what it's supposed to be the turning point I think she has learned some of those things. And i'm sure she failed on some other areas But i'm managing fact as best as i could to raise To raise a decent chance. That's great it's really braid. you're really. You're a great role model for your daughter. Definitely i tried i tried. I mean yesterday detects game Through the watts up and and The textbooks of course for my birthday and I don't want exactly say watch what she wrote. But it made me very very proud. Very proud. And i feel like cry. Even now. it's it's it's it's it's so beautiful it's gorgeous and and to to to read those words and to hear it is fantastic and as last night. You're sitting you're the fire the the these three Three or four friends off course four young ladies. And they're all in their twenty and heaving in fact how how she cherish me and how she told everybody that's best father operative have. That's a cod on my back. I mean it. Because as i said is not is not easy to raise the chart is not i mean the old have dreams. We all have goals. And then you bring the child to these worth things change. You cannot be the same purse. You cannot be the same person as you were before you got married. And you get. That new brought that that legal Adorable thing into this ward and every minute of your life change and we have to either. We have to bring the Either via have to really get pregnant or not immoral. In fact a moment you bring somebody to the sport you you. You have to respond and you have to be ready for it. Weaver in fact talking about this last night around the fire. I mean you get married first of all give yourself. I always talk to these girls like no vindaloo. Come david asks me all different kinds of questions around the dinner and you know like Sometimes david talking about boyfriends their failures decent. That's so last night. I told them. When you get married or some people they do get married now but when you choose a partner and you in fact the partner is is a long-term. Make sure you give yourself long long. Few years studied that person. Not for the sake of yourself for a sake of both. Make sure you know how to play the game. Make sure you're ready for. It is liking fact. You go to runner. You have to have the proper shoes you have to pay for. You have to practice. You cannot do the marathon. In fact justice like to do you have to practice over and over and you wanna be a good mother. You want to be a good father. You have to practice it. It's same as everything yachts by answer your questions. Sometimes sometimes i go onto object ninety member defense and you know like it. I don't know if i read the answer your question. But i think i d partially Now you did. You did a great job to listen to the rest of the podcast. Please make sure to click on hard to you of this episode. Many we love showcases. 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3430: Chicken Fight w/ Xazmin Garza

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

58:06 min | 3 months ago

3430: Chicken Fight w/ Xazmin Garza

"Whole one kamala tell you my secrets. i'm kinda lack. Appreciate your g set. We're live Welcome to keith. And the girl on keith. Malley i'm hamda not see that coming. I was just trying to get in a good mood. I pick up the paper. Come the and. I'm reading about a cop. Twenty two year career. Or lieutenant he got caught stealing johnnie walker blue label like a two hundred dollar bottle from a liquor store. Should being a cop and you're caught stealing you're stealing period. Should you be murdered. I'm not exaggerating. Wow i was thinking like how lawyers are disbarred. Maybe we can go that far. Not necessarily i don't know if they think it's legitimate to sit on someone's neck for eight minutes and forty six seconds. Maybe we just sit on their neck free minutes and forty six seconds a former correction officer totally different story in west chester was fined five hundred fifty thousand dollars for raping a prisoner multiple times. That's how much it costs to rape. Ten should be death. that should be debt. You're in such a powerful position. Today's guest. I'm i'm seeing on twitter. She says how newburgh driver took his dick count. That's death that is death that is your job is so special and different and you're you're taking it on that if you're going to commit a crime like this you die. That can i tell you. I'm really glad that we are going to talk to this guest. Because i got a note this looks like you feel the need to take it out right. You really gotta. It's i don't know maybe is. Mom told him his whole life. Like your dick is the best. I mean if there's not lights on it or something. I don't know i think when you're in a powerful position like this priest cop therapist uber driver. It's there it's death and if you're saying to yourself i'm i'm going to risk death die. You make good points. I'm just not into the death penalty. But i understand your anger about it easily. You're fired in a tattoo on your forehead that says death like this is an incredible negotiation. Just got worse and now while we have our poll ivanhoe man testimony wanna read to you. Oh met one minute at a time. Can the leads this class. I'll say fifteen minutes total every weekday. And and i do love it. I read these horrible news. Stories and ended up thinking life is worth living nonetheless. Here's a testimonial ready You're gonna cry. I love crying. All right. ryan says it's hard to put into words. Exactly how oman has helped me. I've never really been a word. Got so i'll draw not just getting. I can babylon champion. I've never really sure. I'm saying anything significant so here goes oh man has helped me become a calmer. Person air canada's voice and sometimes keats in my head when things get difficult at work telling me things. I need to do to keep my blood pressure from spiking over the things that piss me off. I've been prompted to think about things that i've avoided thinking about my personal life. That's hard the thoughts that come to mind during meditation when i'm trying to clear it are astounding things. I've never thought about in years memories. I'd rather not remember. Sometimes as much as i wish i could forget. These thinks completely. I know that running from the past isn't going to help me grow as a person because of planks yoga and aerobics. I now have a consistent exercise routine which i've never had before even if it's just a couple minutes i'm happy with the progress i've made before to do. Thirty situps at all was hard. Now i can do sixty in a minute. I've since which the push up some seeing similar progress a minute of rating allows me to rate up task list for the day. So i keep on track. Thanks to the procrastination minute. My inbox is never been tighter. Every morning i log into omega. Wait for people to come in. That's when i cleaned my place. Because i don't wanna clean a night night. I want to enjoy but every morning is when connecting to others has never been terribly easy for me but oh matt reminds me that it's a necessary part of the human experience. It also reminds that sometimes the person i need to stop and connect with is myself. Many people think of that. I've been doing all matt for roughly a year. And i don't see it's lessons leaving my life anytime soon. Twenty twenty was tough. Your forever one. My challenge was being stocker to an understaffed. Grocery store in a tourist town took me. It took me a long time to really summit stress. Those accumulating over the hectic. Summer months i mean to juice the summer months and how much i needed something to fight it. Oh matt did that and for the past year has been sort of therapy that is provided first aid to the wounds from last summer and prepared me mentally for this one. It's infinitely better which brings me to gratitude the first exa excise of oh matt. I'm so dan grateful to have the keith. Zirk sees the whole. Keep them grow family and ahmed in my life it just struck me as they stay in her typing this the realization that podcast has changed my life for the better and i couldn't be more grateful for it. I can't think of what more i can say. Except that even if you don't think you can benefit from oh matt it could benefit from matt. Thank you for everything orion well. he's referencing. How can the tricks you like all right. Even if you think you can't do a blank don't worry about this through the plane so you get you the words to but yes. This is so fantastic. This is what i got out of the reason. Why i picked these exercises for matt and why it wasn't is because i was going through a hard time and i really looked up how to be happy. And all of these exercises sorta came up. And i put it into one minute forum and we do it together and fifteen minutes in the morning and i love love. Love hearing this. Thank you ryan writing in. 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So i just start walking toward the car and then he says hey. Lots of traffic tonight was like oh really i turn around. And he has his dick in his hand. Oh now again. Lots of traffic tonight. Yeah no we weren't in car yet is to fall. Is he also coach. Because these are such good ideas on how to pick up women. I mean everybody can relate dick out you know what you want. I don't what is all small small talk just small talk with my dick out. What what's the problem. You know. I didn't what do you think you would have done in that situation. Like you never know what you're gonna do. I ain't she's asking keith. I would have kept it in. But i'm referred you know. What would you do if a guy was like. Hey look it all this traffic and also my dick. I guess i'd be like well. I'm not wearing a mask in your car so reporting me. That's i'm vaccinated. You do have these ideas of what you're going to do and i have in the past. You know spoken up a little bit but sometimes you just like it so in shock. I don't know what i would do what you never know. You never know. It even took a second for me to be like like i looked at the dick and was like and then my head was like. That's a fucking. Did you know i is late at night. But that's a dick out exposed in the air where i was he on his On the way to boehner ville lake Completely miles away. Nothing the absolute not nothing. So here's my sleeping dick. Oh you wake it. I get it okay. I know that's a. That's a very important fact too because it's like you just would have been different somehow. If it was like rock hard you know. Although i would imagine that what's that that would have been scary or anything sure yet. Yeah i would imagine it being scarier because now it's ready. Yeah yeah that's like talking cocking the gun right like you're pointing it at me but now you took the extra staff yes yes yes yes yeah i said oh my god what the fucker you doing and then just bolted. That's kind of. i was only scared. There's such a short period of time. That i was actually scared because it the amount of time that it took me recognize the dick and get back into an apartment with closed door behind me. That's how long it took for me to be to turn from scared to fucking pissed you know. And what is he does. He put it away and go. Does he turn around and give me. Your car is ready to try. Is to start charging in two more minutes. What's the problem is the problem. Yes oh i was like and what was so what was so wild. Is that my friend. I was leaving my friend's house. So i'm buzzing her buzzing her and she lets me back and she has no idea what's going on get up there and he calls me and i pick up the phone and so i haven't said anything to her yet and she. Just here's me go. What do you mean what's going on. You took your dick out. What i would like car. Her the isn't it interesting that you had to explain it to him. Mike what are you concerned about the traffic. What is problem guy. When are we going to understand women in the fucking emotions. I'm so sorry. I brought up this traffic. Come back you know. Dick out isn't in that list of easily robotic messages. I want my money back right. You gotta you gotta reach an eight hundred number for that. Oh yeah there is an option on the list are you is your safety. You know an issue right now. Okay you know. That's what i pushed on. I was like there's no dick. Did he just show you his. There's no dick auction. But i wanna know that there's going to be a follow up. Your safety is in jeopardy. Isn't there a court case. Now pending there okay. So they told me that they would do something for me. I don't worry. Don't worry we take your security very seriously. I now have a whole bit about it. So i feel like i'm doing the bit on your podcast. Did it sound like this. We take security very seriously for one moment. An agent who's a woman who was actually showing compassion. I i hate to say this during a traumatic experience. But watch the pen clicking. If you don't mind. I'm sorry i'd be. I'd be touching things to it's a wreck nerve and She was like. Hey don't worry we're gonna take care of this for you. We're gonna make sure that you're never paired with him again. And yeah i was like okay. How how am. I going to get home dude. I also is he going to be paired with other beautiful but less action but less attractive people apparent with people who specifically like Small olympic. he's there an option for that and uber. There should be he. Yeah at this point. I was still in shock. And i wasn't really concerned about what was going to happen to him. I was just like get me home. It's like almost one o'clock. In the morning i just wanna get home from manhattan to brooklyn And they were like sorry. That's how it that's how. They told me that they were like the order another car. You won't be paired with him again. Motherfucker. so the next day. I called the cops. 'cause i called. I called lift back and they were being. I mean that one woman was at least showing some compassion. Like oh i'm sorry. At least she was able to act like it with her voice. You know this dude was like yeah. We don't what more do you want us to do. We can't really do anything. What what if every driver said this. You know so i was like what if every passenger said this every passenger. Sorry we are. They are they are. They is every passengers saying it. Yeah then we got a problem. Yeah yeah they were like and i get it they have to. I don't get it now. Did you say i. I have somebody. I met the other day The death penalty should be involved. So maybe a free ride would be and that was the end of that. I assume now. I see i called the cops and the cops came it. Was you know what was crazy. The cops were so responsive lift was not and the cops told me. I even told them i was like. I'm shocked. That you geyser taking this so didn't say seriously it just said that you're being so responsive i said it's because it's a lift driver so there could be multiple victim. There could be a ton of victims in one night. And i was just like thank you. Thank you for knowing why this is like serious. And who knows my address. Yeah but it's not only are scared. That's right the more experience with the police. And it's like oh my god we did you care about. This happened in are going to do something where might not happen. Again is such a weird feeling. They sense detectives. It was it was i it was to you know nypd dudes. Did you think you were on a reality show. Like oh you alabama's like this is too legit. This is all happening to like the way it should happen. This can't be I even felt weird pressing. Nine one one call. Even i was like. Oh god you know because they me i called my precinct and they said call nine one one. I was like what happened yesterday. There at call nine one one I get the yeah. That's not being like no one's chasing me right this second. So how much urgency is there. You know there's not a murderer in my house right now did the nine one one operator of attitudes. okay. I've always had an attitude was robbed at gunpoint. Had got an attitude you know. I don't know as i always seem to get attitudes. I so it happened yesterday. So you're not in trouble. I'm like just tell me if you call the cops or not. She did say a. Do you need an ambulance or fire truck or something. And i said no and she goes so it's not an emergency. I called the precinct. They told me to call nine one one and then she was like okay you know. And she was but they sent two detectives. They took a report and then like that night. They sent Or no they sent nypd. They took report and then that night. Two detectives came and they weren't wearing uniforms. They were like plain clothes and they showed them pictures. Did you recognize him. It's just the dick had be funny that you don't really focus the time it's just well dick's joke is on stage. Do peixe those. And those are hardens. Like well i can't tell you know so i yeah it was. I'm pretty sure he was in the pictures but there was one other guy who looked just like him and i said i. I'm pretty sure. Tam but he looks just like kim and the lady was like oh my god he does look just like him and other cup came in which they we have to alone And then the other cop came in a shoot was like she couldn't tell it was discovered this guy he was like. Oh my god that looks like the same guy it really did. Look like the same do They should be able to trace it via lift. The guy who looks goes does one work for. Lift one exactly at my at this address. When i was at this address like dick outer inland. You could find a guy got in touch with lift. Yeah he got the info this is before lift was giving him them any information And they called me back and said that they have the guy and they can't exactly find him though so if he gets any police interaction he's going to be arrested. He gets pulled over or you know. For whatever reason he'll be a warrant then yes. Wow you would do anything to get out of the ride. That's so do you. Are you dating somebody now. Now outcome story turns out. he's really a good guy. You gotta get to the and he came over and it turns out does get hard does get arguing spine but the cop. That detective is q. And i wouldn't like i called my like. How do i wait to ask if he single. You know i was like. I need to probably wait till it's all life unresolved probably but that was q. Would you and i say this with like. Oh my god. I wish i sort of had this kind of bosnian is. Would you actually ask if he's single directly. Because i would do goofy shit like this would happen to your girlfriend and his paws sweat. I wouldn't do it slick just for the record. It would come out the worst possible way but thank you. I think i would shoot my show. You know why. Because i'm not going to have to see him on a regular basis. If it's someone who. I have same reason why when i do comedy. I don't give fuck if i bomb. Well i don't know these people but if my friends are in the room i'm just like oh you know so i i don't know this dude. I look down because his cards right here. I know i. I don't i don't care if i did you get any vibes or anything from i did but i mean asked me that about anyone not until right now last name go with house mean. Does it like little nice. No not at all super irish. A white guy yeah. There's some very sexy you know about a dude in a suit calming and being lack of. Get this guy. I don't know really. Is that why they make every action movie like that. No shit i know. What a fucking stereotype. The you talk about the divorce that you had. How long ago was that on. Tenneco seven years. Okay all right. So you're overt. Oh yeah 'cause he's writing in these curious afi us love chance. I've heard it in the interview. You say in how that taught you that you're not to marriage type but you you would you say. You're the monogamous type. Oh damn you guys do some research on. This is great. I you know what. I kind of had a change of heart with that I i wanna be in relationship now right now i wanna be. I wanna be in love again okay. Because i was going to. What is the difference between not being the marriage type but still being in a monogamous relationship. Right can you help me with this. Yeah but it's not your dreams and shit right instead of just helping you with the curtain You know. I'm not sure. Because i went through period where i was like. I think i could be Open in an open relationship you know as as long as someone's loyal to me emotionally oil to me. I think i could be an an open sexually open relationship. But then i get this close to having feelings for a guy and i'm like no one's touching you. You know what i mean. So i don't know i don't know if i could do it or not in my head i'm like sex isn't as important to me anymore. Like i know it's not The sacred thing anymore. That i once thought it was between two people who are in love But it would have to. I'd have to be in that situation where i loved someone again to truly answer that you know you talked about after the divorce on antidepressants. And you're like okay. I wasn't depressed. But then i can orgasm now. I'm just suicidal great. Would you recommend that for everybody going through a time to turn down a couple of pills. You get used to it okay. Body adjusts to how orgasm. Yeah a lot of my friends have gone through it to it. Seemed like i was never gonna come again. You know but What's the secret it's like it's appear in the brain or the yes. He's point two three well. I'll tell you this i. I didn't masturbate. Until i was twenty five because i just i never really as i know. That's my hand. I can't get into it. There's nothing that You know kinda. I could tell where the button is. But it's it's not doing anything for me. I got a vibrator and i decided i'm going to focus. I had candles. Because i'm is what they say gets you in the mood. I'm going to do all the things that was music and it took me an hour. And i was like this is it. My whole brain is going to change. And now i don't give a fuck because i don't need this from you. I can go home and get it. Maybe the desperation will like minimize. You know that kind of like i. I need somebody else in order to feel this good. So was it something like that where you had to like. Set aside time and really get into it out in. Oh no i've always been. I don't have to do myself. Oh i mean with antidepressants. When you couldn't come it's Yeah no it's more had had to. I don't know just focus if Have you guys ever been on antidepressants. No okay it kind of numbs your emotions so when i first got on antidepressants i also am. I ever gonna cry again because nothing was making me cry whereas before everything was making. I couldn't stop crying. You know so. It's like you kind of the chemicals just kind of adjust and your body gets used to it. But with an orgasm. I had to learn to just kind of focus. More on on the the task. You know not scroll through instagram. And scroll the poon right is a good question is poon the most ridiculous and nauseating way to save china or not like. She's really thinking about it curiously. Jj i'm i when i said when i said poon did you throw up a little in your mouth or were you okay all right. We're just making a poll. Keith is has been trying for years to make me stop calling poon own. It's por noni. Hey go even sounds leader. Ninety is another way i could. I could say the full word if you don't like my slang it's It's kind of like she says I don't slut shame. But i slept notice and that certain words hit me a certain. You know you how that goes. I saw a lotta pictures of where you were missing tooth. Yes how did you lose that tooth eating chicken heating fucking chicken wing. Uh-huh yeah. I came to new york. I had lived here not even a month like two weeks. I think and My friends we were right by this jerk. Chicken place he was like dude just like a famous place. You gotta you gotta try this. It's so good. I had his god down. This is good. I went next door may own. I bit into it so hard. I broke my front tooth. It was like i could feel it inside my body. Just something chain. It was so loud. And i left. They were like my friends. Were like wait will what's wrong. What's wrong i'll see you guys tomorrow. From and then i just got home and it was dangling of the gum. Yeah and i went in there like yeah. We have to extract a mike. Well yeah it was at the gum line you know and so i had just gotten here. I didn't have a fucking front tooth. I was trying to meet people new job. You're gonna change everything no in the comedy scene. I'm trying to navigate this city. You know i. Oh god it was hell. It was hell interesting. How like that's the tiniest part of your face one of your teeth. And if it's the front one. Your i q points it over. He doesn't matter. You could be brilliant. Up neil degrasse tyson but if he loses that front tooth he's got to replace it if he's gonna tell us anything again and your crackhead. You know you have a drug problem and you're right now. I just zero credibility. If you don't have that too you know. Yeah it was. It was so awful. And that what i went through two. That's a great example of an amazing lubar driver. I was calling dentist after dentist after. Dentist in the back of an uber car and No one could get me in and you know the next day or within the next two days and i finally stopped calling. I just started balling i. Uber driver pulled over and he said. Hey it's gonna be okay. This is a fake tooth. The same thing happened to me. You're gonna find a dentist and it's gonna be okay. It was just wow. I used to sit. Oh god i really appreciated that and connected with that dude. You know you think he was high. No you've reached out to me. Who have broken their front tooth. I got so many takers all happened to me in two thousand and eight. You know like everyone would like their story. Was everybody's chicken. A lot of people was chicken. What a lot of people's was chicken. And yeah you know Stop roast From okay he. That's how he lost his front tooth chicken like a month of of me. You know what though there are. There are a lot of comics. Also lose their teeth to fighting because they are just hotheaded. Well i would. That's also you know. I think that's what loosened up. I used to buy a lot with my sisters. And i'm talking brawls you know yeah. Lake lake close fist and stafford. Yes brawls like full. How traumatizing shit. Why how'd you get to fist. Because i thought was my brother in it. I mean one time. My brother landed in the hospital but that was accidental. You know you push someone and you don't know where they're gonna land but it was mostly like i'm gonna spit on you and i'm pulling on you on pushing you this brother. I have a brother. My brother would never like you know fistfight. Whatever fist files sauce. You know. I know i know but the sisters are punching each other and the t. How how are you like. How does it get punching. What are you punching over people. Act like it's normal. Where the weirdos but yeah i i have four siblings can lead to brothers and yeah we were never one of these families you see movies. I guess but but neither one of us has her experience of being a sister and having sisters. I don't know so. Why are we fighting about okay. Well you know one of them. That i remember what is i should just say stupid shit but one of them i remember was My little sister was cleaning was a big one. I remember one time. I cleaned the bathroom. Spotless my little sister went in there and she washed her face and got water all over the mirror and i went in there. I said you better fucking clean that up and she was like. How old are you guys. 'cause i need a picture here like teenagers. Preteens one twenty one. Seventeen cheese okay. Great luck and women. Yeah i like you better fucking clean that up. And she's she's. I forgot what she said like about it. Yeah you're an adult leave kidding. Better fucking clean it up. And then she goes. Don't fuck can say that again. I go you better fucking boom holy. Shit like wow. That was the worst fight where this fucked up. My tooth was my mom was no one was there to break it up and so it started in her room and it traveled down the hallway into the kitchen back down into the living room back in the took a break at one point so like peter griffin fighting the chicken tornado. Going around the house. We took a break even where we like contact mobile. You know it was just do detox though. That's nothing we. Is it a good relationship. Or it's just okay. I it we love each other very much And the same thing with my older sister eldest sister probably my best friend. We fought to both of them are a lot bigger than me. Like have like a hundred pounds on me you know and my older sister. I had to like use tricks where black this is still in. I can't believe you're doing this. Oh my god and then. Soon as you'd get off me i'd be. I'd like half to attack her. Because i was the only way i could get a leg up in the fighting because she had me on sides. When when did you stop fighting. 'cause you seem like a non fighter at this point it seems like thank you. A shift has read say. Could you let things. We're lawf- you have a great sense of humor. I can't imagine you throwing a punch so easily. All i would at this age. No way you know. No fucking way but I got in a public fistfight. Last time i did that. I was like twenty five. And that's the last time i've ever someone's put their hands on me. Forty four okay. So twenty years basically the worst public fight you ever got into now dowling who slowly ninety five. When i was twenty five it was at a nightclub it was over. My boyfriend wasn't in a library. Was it around two. Am yeah it was a nightclub in a parking lot over a guy we have. How does that start no perfect. You know we'll probably both wearing biggest hoop hearings. Was this your boyfriend or totally. New guy for everybody. He was my okay and she was overt. She founded at busted them with his phone. I looked through his phone. I always over there. Yeah that's hurt but this was your friend or just you caught him cheating and now you know who it is the second one okay so and then you happen to find yourself in a nightclub with are you went looking for now. I didn't even know who she was here. Here's here's the kicker that does no kicker already. I thought i kicked the cut on. Aww aby no there's there's more layers My i knew her name because she fucked my best friend's boyfriend three years before. So i had heard her name so much from her and then so it was like what the same check. Are you serious. It was just wild so she basically a boyfriend fucker okay. The that was her thing. Now how did you find out that the boyfriend cheating then you go to a club or while. He's in the bathroom in the club. You check the phone. No i had broken up with him like a month earlier. Okay and i called her cost her out. And i said if i ever see you on a kick your fucking ass. Oh so you're making good. So i go to the club with my friend who she knew her who she had fucked her boyfriend and she was there she is. That's her and i was like. That's fucking her and she said. Remember what you said member you said you were gonna sing you my god you know. I was drunk as hell. And i was like. Does your friend like walk with you. She just like. I'll be here when you like to my life. I confronted her. And i can't remember what i said to her. Confront her in the club in the club by dell k and then we'd let and then i walked away whatever and that's when my friend was but remember you said crass yeah and So we were in the parking lot and This was the i grew up in utah. And all the girls who fucked the utah jazz players were always gold. Digging hoe type girls at. She was one of those checks and she was about to get into a utah jazz players. Bmw and. i will waiting in the parking lot or you happen to be. No i was in. I was in the parking lot. It's coffee Let out when you're in in a city that the alcohol yeah. They cut off the when they serve alcoholic early time than the parking lot. Turns into let out where it's kind of a party in the parking lot. So it was. It was led out and she You know we walked by each other. I did when children those. Okay shoulder check okay and We just went on it from there now. Now she was. You know what. I was surprised that she was a good fighter. I mean it was. It was a fight. I thought i was just gonna boom boom and just walk away but it was so. We'll bobo bobo bobo over and over like a fight you know we were boxing. And is there female appreciation or you're you're pretty good okay. Let's here we go you in the car ride home. I was kind of like i'm ginger. That was better. Than what i. I was like shit Who one would you say. the i did. Yeah how do you know you wanna she on the ground She's dead jesus mercy it was just you just know honda you know hemmed. I'm sorry she A guy came up to my window. I'm like pulling away. We're getting away me and my best friend like in the getaway car. Dukes hazards style and This guy came up to my window. Was like knock knock knock knock knock knock after. No i have no was that over. A guy can yeah. I'm driving. I drove a week away. Had just said that you were very drunk Yeah i was. That was twenty five. Okay when did you stop doing that. all of that like dumb. Reckless behavior stopped when i was about. Twenty eight why I became a journalist. I started writing for newspaper and i started As soon as i was good at something and More of like pursuing. What i wanted to do with my life. I dropped all that shit for you. I had more to lose. Had something to lose when you when you worked as a journalist one of your stories. If i'm correct was about wearing ass implants because you felt insecure about having a flat ass and i used to read these These journal. So then the style section. I with check out and you weren't too proud of your ass you'd wear Implants and see. If you got treated differently i off. Were you treated differently. And these are not implant using the wrong words. They caddy padding padding. Okay this is an implant is lake. I'm not believe you found that. That is so i i want i try and find can't find it l. subsidy yeah please do So yeah i put in some. I asked his always been a thing that i have because i have a big joke about it. Now and but I wore these pads and the thing was my editor knew. She was my friend my friend and she knew that i you know felt self conscious about my flat ass and so she was like what if you wrote a first person story about your experience wearing these and i was so embarrassed god no and then i was like screw it. I'm gonna do. I'm going to try. And so i did and that was when i quote unquote found my voice. When i wrote that. That was the first time. I wrote something and was like felt like myself writing. It would now. What did you learn this article or doing the the going out there with fake ass. It was first of all in the summertime. And it was in vegas. And i was like this isn't worth it you know but it it did look It did look nice and juicy and one detail that i'll never forget is that i had adjust rear view mirror because i sat down and i was just taller. This cushion Then you know. I end that. I end that story with the fact that those pads weren't us by after a week or two i wanted to put another of panty panties with pats on top of the pads like so it was never. It was going to get out of control no matter what it was sort of like a boob job and at first you go from adc and then you're like oh look. This is amazing. So then you want a deal these yeah. You've you've noticed that guys you're with like a big ass. How how did they let you know they flat out tell you don't have one or they point to sell what please what i say. Flat out. They flat out. Oh okay that was getting into it or do they point to like on tv but it's only one their backs to the camera. Like how how did you find out like obviously not pleased with my ass back then. It was They would just straight up telling me how much they loved a big ass. And i knew i didn't have one so excited naming at different hair colors. Something do i have it. Yeah yeah and my boyfriend at the time. The one who i thought the girl over he used to always tell me who so fucking stupid. He used to always be like. You're in eight because you don't have ass and you can't cook and i was like do you not know cooking. How does that have to do with my number you idiot. You know like the my god my he would always tell me if you had asked you dream girl you yes. Yeah wow what nonsense holy shit. Wow it's so funny what we decide right. Yeah yeah oh my god it really is and you know what the whole thing where i was saying that you stop being reckless with the men. I dated to. Because i like that now. Ever you know why you're not dating do after all being mexican. Are you a daddy or poppy. Talker in in bed. I should say i like to say daddy and don't say poppy. Because that's what i call my dad okay. You guys separated so when people say daddy. I don't think about my dad. I don't think about that. And that's been a new thing for me to the last like three years i've started. I've started liking that. Does anybody ask you not to do it. I was with that. Did it. And i had to say. Please don't do it. Wears man i can tell by their bodily reaction. Don't like it do you know. And so if they don't like it you it's it changes you don't. It's not fun if they don't like it. You know so. Have you considered like a an actual sugar. Daddy like a person who plays the role in multiple ways or it's just sort of like a habeeb. No this is strictly insects while having sex i would never like someone walks in the door and my daddy. I would never do that. I'm getting texts. Me has your that right. Oh god no no. And that's why. I say i can tell from their bodies reaction whether or not they're into it or not you know But some people are into it all around. They just wanted to see where where you it's true. I also like There's a comfort and maybe it is as somebody gets older no because that could be from a younger place. Also why did you start saying daddy. I have no idea actually. I think it's porn okay. I'm watching porn and for. Yeah okay did you date during the pandemic during the what we you know during the lockdown. I did and yeah. That's something i'm you know. My sister was like oh my god. I can't believe you're doing this. We're over here washing our vegetables. And you're gonna go have sex with a guy I live in new york alone. My family is on the other side of the country. I was so focused on comedy. When i got here three years ago that i didn't nurture friendships or anything like that so i was You know just thinking. Am i gonna sit here and die and not have like more glenda exactly go out and have sex you know and have have a companion so i mean this guy had an arrangement where we would have sex with only each other during the pandemic and he was great company great listener and he was my sex partner. Oh well that's kind of what you did with kyle right. It's like the one person 'cause it's it dating me. I was thinking you were like swiping and meeting. No no no. No no no no was. We're also hanging curtains together. Talking about dreams Did it ever get confusing like you're starting feel. Did i think. I got like corona goggles at md. You know yeah love him. I do that with anyone who i've sex with more than four times in a row. I'm serious if sex with you four times in a row. I'm like just left. You know seriously like you could be the biggest loser. And it's partially shocking. Can't believe that we were together four times and you didn't murder me. So like am i in love was the do you break it off as soon as covert opens up. You know as soon as the lockdowns over do you do it that day or at least did oh wait a couple days so with him. I was in such a depression during that first. Lock down and i went home and visited my family and i was like i have to make some changes when i go back to new york and he was one of the changes you know. I told him. Hey we said that we were gonna tell each other when we wanted to when we're going to start sleeping with other people and that time has come for me. So does he see like you can. That's fine and i'll still see more. Does he di he. I think he thought that because he kept he was a like hitting me up. Like what are you doing today. And i was like we both were assume we both are fucking time. I mean anyway. It doesn't bother me. Why why didn't you want to stay with him. It's just a wasn't good for your state of mind. These changes that you made. Why him It wasn't going anywhere you know and I had really decided i. I've wanted something bigger like a better relationship for a while. Like a romantic relationship for a while and it wasn't can happen with him. Surprise surprise you ended up getting cova. Yeah but there was another guy in between. So i i did. I apologize to you. Yes in march right when it was going out of style dude right wouldn't everyone was getting vaccinated and everything I got covert in it. Hit me pretty hard. Not i was in a hospital or anything like that. It hit me hard like with the brain fog and the modeling right and smelling. Yeah i still don't one hundred percent. How many small back listen to that. Everybody this was in march vaccinated. Yeah are you eating more healthy. Because now you don't have to smell that shit. I am eating more healthily. And then probably why i eat. Yeah you should see my fritz right now. Some veggies root system as well as well take advantage. 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TikTok Collecting Biometric Data, Peloton Bike+ Vulnerability, Nextdoor App Concerns

The Shared Security Show

21:57 min | 4 months ago

TikTok Collecting Biometric Data, Peloton Bike+ Vulnerability, Nextdoor App Concerns

"You're listening to the shared security. Show exploring the trust you put in people and technology with your host. Tom ashton welcome to episode one. Seventy eight of the weekly shared security show and joining me. This week is click armor. Ceo and co host. the famous. Mr scott right. Good day everyone. How are you today. I am very well. Are you not too bad. Not too bad i. I'm pretty jealous though No when you see the The kinds of treatment that tom gets from you know his his company doing the webinars sitting in the big big comfy chair or the suit on smoking a cigar gonna cigar drinking a cocktail of some sort. Yes yeah yeah. Hey you got to promote the you gotta you gotta put a flash of that up on the screen in post. Maybe i will add that to. The post had some good graphics that were done and that was actually my last women are. We had that graphic and people got a kick out of it in fact raffles. Who's been on the show before he He commented he's like i'm gonna join your webinar just to see if you actually have a cigar and a cocktail with you while you're presenting will not be drinking my webinar. Well that's that's funny. Because i just a little sidetracked here. I watch a lot of youtube videos. Reaction videos of people do in classic rock stuff from the seventies and eighties. These young young going. What the now. There's two guys. I think it's alex and andy. They do a really good job but they they basically sit there. They've evolved from a blank screen behind them. Now they're sitting in a little lounge kind of Probably a basant rec room. And they got a table beside them with a bottle of scotch and they're sitting there with their tumblers of music and comment thing. It's it's pretty cool. And then they all the video ads. That are for johnnie walker. It's like a modern version of wayne's world. It is so someday we'll get there. Yes we'll be. Just like wayne's world cardi time excellent route gone man. Yeah so so this week. We have a few topics to discuss. And i think i. We wanted to discuss some news. About tiktok scott's favorite social network don't use it that much. I know i've never used it. Actually full disclosure i. I don't have a tiktok account tunnel plan on. It's not my thing but yeah a lot of people were just too old say it. You're never too old scott. yeah tiktok. it's yeah. I mean it's certainly got it's detractors. I guess you'd say right. I mean an end our security stories whether they're chew or not. I haven't really had a chance to dig into them. But yeah. I mean we've talked about this on the show before the chinese connection to tiktok right owned bytedance. The company that owns tiktok and concerns remember last year. When president trump was still in office to ban tiktok from houston the united states and Because of the china connections and and now the recent news just last week came out. That tiktok can now collect biometric data. They made a change in their privacy policy with a new mysterious section than says that they can collect things like face prints and voice prints and they really haven't given a reason of like what they're gonna do with that data but that's kind of a step up in a lot of people. Privacy community are obviously concerned. Yeah little it's one more thing now that you have to worry about. Yeah i mean. I guess you have to sort of assume that they're going to follow their policies But i mean any any app developer That does i guess. They don't have direct access to fingerprints or or things like that on the on the iphone but they certainly could have access to the camera and they could use fisher recognition algorithms without people knowing if if the cameras on right that's correct or they can just take the video of you and take biometric data off of your face as an example. Because there's a good chance you'll be in the videos pretty good chance. Yup yup exactly. So it's kind of opened up a new concern with tiktok in a lot of circles but i was kind of fascinated. And we'll link this article in the show notes on tech crunch. Talking about tiktok is out of all the social networks actually collects it. Sounds like the most information about its users. You know the typical things right location data. Gps your ip address pretty much all the meditate of everything that you upload you know even the the state of your battery on your mobile device and keystroke patterns as you type things and the music that you're adding to your videos and all these things are collected and that's just by default right and then there's the things that you choose as a user to provide which can include you know your contact information and info profile data. I mean the list goes on and on videos and other things. That's in your device. Clipboard i think it might be surprising if people really read. If you read their privacy policy which. We've had that debate right then. It's going to get traumatized have heavily read. Yeah so this is. This is just one. More thing added to the list of Things that tiktok can access about. Yeah so and you know i guess. Many of our listeners. Probably don't use tiktok but imagine their children might. Yes that is that's true. That's true that angle. Yes so be. Cautious is all. We'll say about that. It is spring and summer are upon us and that means it's time for some much needed vacation time with friends and family but this also means that you need to be aware of data privacy and how to protect your laptops smartphones and key-fobs while traveling airports and other public areas can often be targeted by attackers. Looking to gain access to your devices through their wireless signals. So instead of worrying. About disabling or turning off wireless functions. 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Threats are dima simulations and challenges have provided a fifty percent average improvement in thousands of employees ability to spot fishing threats. Go to click armored dot ca slash shared security to get your free game fishing assessment for up to five hundred employees. You'll see quickly. How gamified simulations can help your team the more resilient and compliant and help avoid costly ransomware and fraud incidents let click armor help you go from being an underappreciated stress dote fall guy to being an innovative leader. Who's the catalyst for greater productivity in your organization. So scott do you own a peleton. I do not own a peleton. I have a treadmill. But i don't have appellate same i i have a generic peleton. I think it's a non electric. Its spin bike. Basically the old sense. But you know i. I've been moving more in that direction. Like lou starting to purchase things. That don't have electronics or they're not connected to the. It's hard though it's hard. I mean i was. When i was shopping for a treadmill couple months ago actually They're all connected. They're all internet connected or they can be. You don't have to connect them but some of them they make it tricky not to connect right. I mean the the instruction manuals do this. Do this do this. In order to get setup and calibrated and part of that is connected to your whatever. The fitness app is that there's a there's a common one now that everybody uses right at strata. There's one for the treadmills that that is built in kind of okay I can't remember what it's called I won't even try to guess it but But yeah they're they're i saw on forums. There were people saying you can press on. Hold the certain button for thirty seconds in. It'll bypass the setup. Step that wants to connect current so very tricky. But yeah that's that's the world we're living in and i think it's probably still wise to try. Try to avoid you know connectivity. If you don't need it yeah yeah there's a way to turn it off which you really can't do anymore but in regards peleton and those that do have a polygon which i know that a lot of people that do. It's probably one of the most popular exercise equipment that's being sold right now. Researchers at mcafee security company they uncovered a vulnerability with the time by the palestine plus and Tread exercise. I think that's their treadmills which they found some vulnerabilities that could be used. If you have physical access to the peleton that you can exploit to get a remote access to chew the second sikh kevin having a field day with this one too right. Because as one of these hyped up vulnerabilities. This is another one where you know. Okay physical access right and they. They they show or they demonstrate a couple Examples of you know. These peleton's are installed on cruise ships and gyms and public areas and the risk. Is you know if your a hacker could walk up. They could install this base good. They're installing new firmware essential device and they would give them access to personal information that someone may be storing On the peleton and access the camera. You'll that's i was gonna say the new peleton's i think our camera right there. You can series. See the class or the instructor can see you or or whatever it is right. That's right so yeah. That's that's a pretty big privacy thing there. Yeah yeah can camera and microphone by the way are so and you could turn the camera on the microphone on you know so you can listen in on what's going on so yeah. There's definitely some privacy concerns. Is this an attack. That i think is going to run rampant across the the exercise community. Probably not a business the other angle to your eight. What do they call it now. Cyber cyber physical right so it's it's the the sensors and controls of physical devices. That could get hacked right. And so a question of you know could somebody takeover your pelivan. While you're going you know fifty miles an hour down you know down a hill or whatever and then all of a sudden lock up the brakes or whatever and causing severe injury. Kind of thing right. Yeah that's probably other other use cases that you can think of where if they really could take over. But i think that pretty sensational but it is it is. I think that'd be pretty dangerous on a treadmill. You know if you're running and stops cause injury that could be really bad but Yeah i mean it's a lot like car hacking right point or if he could set it on fire somehow right supply overheat or bike smoking. Because you're working out so hard scott. I don't think so so. Yeah we'll see how those attacks evolved but little sensational but of course palestine has already fixed this issue through a software update. So have you ever used. The app called next door. Scott i have not You have that in the candidates. Don't you i. I've never heard of it before you You suggested the story but it sounds intriguing is a little reminiscent of some of the other apps that we've covered years and years ago. I don't know if you remember. There was one i can't merola was called. Her people could rate their friends. Or like you could just have like a a yelp for for individuals remember. We talked about that. Yeah i remember. The name of that was i. Don't think went anywhere. But but well. I guess it's a similar kind of risk. I guess with this kind of thing. Is people start to abuse. The you know the Ability to just sort of post things about other people and it's a little less constraints. I guess yeah. Yeah i kind of flagged this article because a there is this is linked in and someone had posted that you know is next door the next big social network because of the pandemic there was a study Some research done by axios some. They had said that one in three. Us households are actually on next door now because of the pandemic because of the need to talk with their neighbors about neighborhood issues. Because everyone's working from home now and there's more things going on in the local community and that's significantly up from you know. The last couple of years that's huge. I didn't even had not heard of it. I guess because canadians don't feel the need to talk to their neighbors but I think that's across the board sky which is actually one of the points that you know if you i kind of like these these things on linked in that they kind of have an art they highlight. Somebody's post and then they show everybody else is whenever somebody's talking about the same topic or the same hashtag they kind of buying all of these posts together. So as you kind of scroll through and you you hear what other people are talking about you get different opinions and thoughts about that and there is a lot of hates. I think towards next door as social network just like we see facebook because it does spread the complaint letters right that just want a platform that they can complain about their neighbor's lawn or you didn't take your garbage cans in the other day. You know your kids are too loud. that there's all kinds of complaining and there's harassment right in and and What what you call it. But yeah i guess harassment rent so people calling the police on suspicious looking people and really not for any reason. Your there's some interesting controversies to how next door sets up their their users or our to to register. You actually have to use a real name and address and you can actually invite your other neighbors where it's a little creepy. They'll actually send out postcards to your neighbors in the mail. postal mail. Yeah and say hey. You're so-and-so neighbors. I next door you know. Here's a qr code or a link or whatever and join your neighborhood and so it becomes kind of this viral thing within neighboring. I can see. I mean i could see why could grow But i have a feeling it. You know it's going to have some challenges right. Yeah some point. I do get concerned to that. You know we're now all using these apps for you know how these companies market them as a way to connect right with your your neighbors. And i kinda wonder like what happened to just like walking up to your neighbor and talking to them or neighborhood get together. I mean no one does that anymore. At least not in my neighborhood yeah. It's interesting. Yeah i mean. I don't know if the this kind of thing is a symptom of the problem or the 'cause right i mean in general. I think there's a lot more people staying in their houses than than we used to when we were kids right and people used to go out and do stuff. Kids used to run in the streets and see a lot less of that now. So yeah yeah. We're all kind of hiding behind our devices right and yeah We don't want to go out and talk to people anymore but You know i see kind of the some of the benefits to of if there. Is you know the thief or something or Yeah thefts in your neighborhood and neighbors getting together. The talk about that or sharing information with the police. I think is is very valuable I know has kind of built their own type of community with their camera network. That you know is now linked to police departments and things and of course. There's price concerns with that. As we've mentioned many times you know these are the this is the way things are starting to go. Which is interesting. I think it is. I mean it's true that people spend more time inside. I think a lot of us. Don't even answer the doors because most of the time it's just canvassers are or you know somebody. You don't wanna see to the point where you know if i see my neighbors left his garage door open or window open on his car overnight or whatever i'll text them rather than go to the door and and knocked We don't even know if they're gonna come to the door if they don't know who it is unless they've got a ring doorbell that's right that's right but it's very different than when and grew up of you know you can have this type of technology so it's very different tone. Our interactions with our neighbors very. We have a whole different risk environment. That's right that's right so we'll see if next door becomes the next big social network one day. Yep yeah well. I'm looking forward to seeing it here. I have not heard anybody talk about it. So it's it is in canada. That's what this article said so you'll have download and join for my postcard even now complain about your neighbors so there's got to be a good side to it but yeah yeah all right. Well that's all of this week. Yeah pretty pretty quiet week I'm sure we'll find something more exciting to talk about next week. But i think these are exciting topic. Scott they are there. Yeah yeah we we do have. We'll have probably kevin back next week. He's he's out at a conference this week at actual physical conference which is great Wild west hacking fest here in the us. That's in the middle of nowhere. Yeah well hey i hopefully. I'll be able to go to conferences soon. I'll be getting my my second vaccine soon. Ready to travel. I was gonna ask you is candidate can open up the the The ball i. I as soon as i get my vaccine. I'll write a letter to the prime minister and ask him to open up the supporters. Thank you very much scott. All of us americans would appreciate that because we go to canada again one day. Great white north nassar right. That's right so yeah. And i yeah. I'm still hoping to get to meet you sunday tom. Yeah yeah we'll figure it out maybe in the next ten years. Yeah we'll see but anyway thanks. Thanks for having me on. Yeah yeah it's been fine. Thanks everyone for listening and we will talk to you all next week. That's all for this week. Show visit our website shared security dot net for all previous episodes and a sign up for our email newsletter. First-time listeners. The show please subscribe wherever you like to listen to podcasts. And be sure to subscribe to our youtube channel. Thanks for listening and we'll see you next week for another episode of the shared security show.

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From CIO to CEO with Commvault's Sanjay Mirchandani

Technovation with Peter High (CIO, CTO, CDO, CXO Interviews)

20:14 min | 1 year ago

From CIO to CEO with Commvault's Sanjay Mirchandani

"Welcome to ovation a weekly conversation with people who are shaping. The technology landscape. I'm Peter Hi. President of Meta Strategy Advisor Technology Executives Ford's columnist author and your host each episode of innovation features insights from top executives thought leaders at the intersection of business technology and innovation. If you like what you hear we'd be grateful if you give us a rating on itunes or through. Whatever other sources you use for podcasts. Please subscribe so you. Don't miss a thing thank you. This week is Sunday. Donnie Sanjay is executive officer Combo a New Jersey based data protection management software company focused on helping its customers in their journey with data joining involved in February of Twenty nineteen. He's propelled forward by further renovating. Its industry recognized. Portfolio introducing a new software as a service offering and completing the company's first major acquisition prior to joining come Sanjay was the chief executive officer of puppets accompanied provides devops automation for multi cloud world in this interview. Don J. covers variety of topics including the company's strategic plan which focuses on simplification execution innovation. Always time as CIO of EMC prepared in for the CEO roll out data has gone from something companies only used when they absolutely need to to being at the forefront of the tech landscape in New Jersey is take on on official intelligence Ashim learning automation devops in a variety of other topics march and Johnnie Walker to tech innovation. Speak with you today to be. Thanks Peter Surgery I thought we begin or the chief executive officer of calm volts and. I wonder if you could take a moment for those. Maybe be less familiar with the business of just an overview super cult is in the business of data helping our customers in their journey with data. We've been around for over twenty years. We specialize in products that help customers store protect manage and use data This will we do. And as customers embark upon that journey to the cloud a multi cloud or any flavor of cloud. We help them on that journey with with data a moment. I think this is really. It's such an interesting time in a life of data. Data has everyone says is often alluded to is the. It's the it's the oil as the new oil if you will all of their also extensions of that crude oil into refunding and further obviously to to to get the value. That's necessary out of the data You know a lot of organizations are good at gathering it And the pathway of developing a sound strategy in order to do something with it becomes more challenging. And obviously that's where the value comes talk a little bit about what you've seen in terms of the the practices ashore with that show. That's a great question in. That's one of the reasons I'm here. Combo because I think what customers are doing. Data wanted to do with data is completely transposed where it was maybe ten years ago when I was a cio data was one of these things that you that was growing. That was expensive to manage and you wanted to compress it Helping what was available when you absolutely needed fast. Forward in the world of flower quite the opposite when source systems generating data that's disconnected with. Data is being disconnected sources and being asked to do more. You know what the data warehouses or or lakes all of a sudden Beta conversations I'm having the CIO and CEO. Says how can do more so? It's no longer one of these things that you hope you have a rainy day. It's quite the opposite. It's Hey I'm getting data from older sources all types of data. How can I have a competitive advantage with this? So that's the world we you know that we're in right now and I couldn't be happier given the spirit exactly cutlets. Let's talk about the desire in you. Join the organization around the beginning of the year. Twenty nineteen now. Tell talk a bit about the company you found. I'd love to hear how you the end to all that how you saw pretty your fingerprints on this business. Sure after so just by way of background. I've spent you know Panapa. Thirty years in the application side of the business and the infrastructure just habits and and over the past few years it was. It was something that was occurring to me. Was that the infrastructure journey with cloud in some way was kind of decided that was customer. There was thinking by cloud native cloud applications about infrastructure and applications. It's either cloud native you've SAS capabilities or so to a large those two directionally were solve the big challenge of the heart problems. That'd be that that needed to be solved. When Combo when I talk Nepal it. It was super apparent to me that this was an amazing company. Great Volts had been business data for twenty years had built technology that was recognized by industry customers partners as being leading continues to be leading in every quadrant of every survey and it had a it was a good which is he had no debt. Where a lot of patents filed of continued to file Cash in the bank. This was this was a company that was poised to great things. It's time at arrived this point. This is where data was front center. a couple years at any company has been around as long as we have used a turn here or there you know we were We did and when I came into the board wanted me to be bold. This said this company that you knew something and The past year I've been busy. It's been great. The people were started with the people. I've been in companies where you're the outsider. The said ready to change his what we need to do. And it was all about one thing getting back growth hitting back to growth for ourselves for employees to be part of a growth company for customers whose data was growing help them with APP partners wanted to grow that business us that would growth over and over again. And that's what we focused on for. The last shots is really finding every avenue and focusing ourselves in every way really make it all about growth. It's interesting one of the things that was intriguing. You were kind enough to A tour of the facility here had come cults headquarters and had a chance to meet with a number of your executives. I think the average tenure of the people that I met with about fifteen or twenty years and so as an outsider coming into organization with that has such a wealth of people. Greek tenure As you say there's the risk as perhaps you would have thought of of of being viewed as that outsider and not really kind of fully understanding this business with executives who have been living in breathing. This is literally across multiple decades. Talk a bit about how you insert yourself in that sort of culture which is so deeply rooted at least inasmuch as their executives again of long short in the organization. The reason they're one of the reasons you met a lot of folks who met Rajiv with Brock That's the engineering leaders as we walked around Eighteen Years Nineteen years twenty years twenty two years. They here because they care about they care about what we built the freedom that have to innovate for a company of our size. We have over eight hundred active happens. Another three hundred plus file. That's an investment. We want them to innovate. We want them to create new things so they here because they want to be part of vault and they WanNa win came in they break. This was this was command help. Here's what we have. What do we need to do open mind? It was very open and I am every single day. I'm thankful for that. I went on a listening tour to best practice. Get out there. And you know they can notebook go in and talk stakeholders but it's our shareholders whether it's the analyst employees more members our customers just I went out we on week on week round the world listening and came back with more energized than than tyrod bump up from being on the road for Ninety one hundred twenty days because every single constituency wanted us to win. They said you've got the best tech example customers some customers who spent over a hundred thousand dollars with us on software on average into this one nine years because stuff works because the services something. They're happy with they know where sustainable as a company we're GONNA stick around. We've been around twenty years. We plan to be around without a fly by night so the situation investing in innovation was all about listening. Get UNDERSTAND IT and coming back with the plan the plan. I've been very vocal about it. Very you know saying this is what we've got to go do. One is simplify okay overtime. Every company gets a little complicated the feedback I got. Hey you simplify business with us. But it's employees are Abbott you met Gary Gary charged with making that happen Execution say what you can do in that come out and do it and make it happen and so on and so forth so it's execution. Was you know getting back to growth from a sales marketing? Point of view and service innovation. Just because you were in the top of epic doesn't mean you're going to stay in the top of the record you everyday's a new day and you know we went to work and both our own internal capacities and then We bought a company go hectic soft storage leader of just innovative very innovative company player and then proved ourselves that we know how to innovate. And we've created a metallic assassins. Were plus sasse capability with the interesting design. Principles says it's all about the user experience we know how to do backup. We know how to do that stuff. Well be focused on getting a customer single best user experience so in a matter of twelve months not only we go to court platform at intended win awards recognizes an invader we created up italic which has sas capable advice great sascha NBA acquired hectic all this also increases are Tam but most importantly as customers go down the Jodi multi cloud the solutions that build. It will truly change our ability to solve problems across customers because it's not yesterday's mandate you're blind at Mars would. This is a whole new of new approach. Bringing Data Management Data Protection is what we've done historically with storage management degree intelligent. Imagine that's the journey. It's very interesting. You talk about simplify than execution innovation. First of all I think one logically comes before it helps build the the other if you've not simplified than the ability to execute and innovate actually is going to be impeded because of your your intuited systems complexity to to grapple with the That even understanding how the different parts together exactly you walk. Through a bats organization the bats organization was an outcome of that simplification so business operations analytics technology simplification and I took our chief accounting officer Gary and put him on point to do that. And what a difference. A year makes it's interesting. Make the journey that you're on speaking before we went on the record about the journey so many organizations have a certain age are on of doing just that of simplifying modernizing. I come curious. Also to what extent is a strategy? You just articulated something that you can also counsel others to walk in your footsteps to accomplish his. Will you got partners across the landscape with who large organizations right exactly isn't in? I know it's out it's shaped but you've got to disrupt yourself and before you get disrupted just because you need. It doesn't meaning the state just because you're an incumbent doesn't mean with a medium just because you're the upstart doesn't mean you're going to continue to be the contender so you've gotta wake up every morning questioning the basics questioning whether you know you you're right to have that position and simplification innovation execution. I think are the lifeblood. It's it doesn't get better and better at it. You SOLVE PROBLEMS. Get tackle new ones. It's completely applicable. I don't think it's It's something the that is proprietary to console But it starts with it starts with in my opinion a couple of things it starts with being self critical saying what could we do better and having the willingness of your employees rally rabbit and even twenty years different times approaches of blessed apple about you you were based in New Jersey and enjoy some advantages? It sounds like in being in an environment. That's a little bit. Remove them from perhaps. Some of the know quintessential tech hubs are not that you're so distant prevent any of those and certainly not to say that there aren't great set. Technology purves here Jersey but talk a bit about Space You occupy New Jersey born Verma was And now have a great deal talent. You're drawing into your tinting. Halls headquarters talked about the the community. Here I was. I was absolutely surprised and impressed at the amount of talent we can. We can attract here into calls. The proximity to major major hubs like New York Philadelphia University System Being Innovative Tech Company. A great internship program. You know as a hub And this is. This is a portion of the overall twenty four hundred plus employees. We have worldwide. We have a similar but smaller hub in India ready. Uk and most our acquisition of Hedvig in the bay area so we have sort of growing growing presence but but in some ways being tucked away having access to the best talent around here has been nothing but positive for us very happy. That's great I also wanted to talk a bit about and you alluded to actually at the outside Outset of our conversation Your career journey which is included in the it was roughly four and a half of your seven and a half years. Emc You're the chief information officer organization You've been with a number of of leaders of the tech face from Microsoft to as EMC VM. Ware worked becoming. Ceo Now of course CEO of this organization talk about as somebody who's been on both sides of the table The buyer technology salary technology Talk a bit about what the stint as CIO that is valuable for you and your continued rise now ultimately to the chief executive officer role sure that was an accidental cio. I was I was asked to be air by chairman at the time and out I didn't grow up the track I I was around. Technology might tie career it but mostly providing solutions and becoming CIO talking. Anything probably out at this job with my my favorite job The evil talk about build. Deploy wrong most people talk about building? Deploy very few people talk about I? I was one of those people that didn't really have a full appreciation for what it takes. Ti- professionals to actually keep the lights on. Keep things running every day. The expectations should be pressure that puts on a nineteen organization delivered day in and day out. You know so on so when I became CIO. I spent a lot of time with my tea in the data centers in the workspaces understanding. What is it that worms of about how they running things? Because I had to learn some of the folks that work for me or my team had more in their pinkies in it. Than I would have in my lifetime. Respect Coming out of that. I always I was lucky enough. Having had that ring side seat depose use the veil that says look as if you were the CIO. Sandra what would you want to deliver? You know what would you? And it was learning back none other even today in the conversations. We'll have in this room with senior team. Is You have a why. Take the engineering pain out of the customer site making ours. That's integrate site gives you the perspective. I think that no other job in the business does that's great. That's really interesting. I also wanted to briefly mentioned year to towards the close of our conversation. You are at the centerpieces strikes me in this business of variety different trends that are coming together and I wonder as you look to the future. What are some of those trends that excites you talked about? Dido? I can imagine the ways in which you're beginning or great other translate artificial intelligence or machine learning into all that you were doing on behalf of your customers. They talk a bit about some of the drums particularly exciting again. These are for me. I don't I don't have a crystal ball thunderbirds. The pundits have in the service. But use use what I see. I'm a I'm a big believer in solving heart problems. Any anyone in many people could solve easy propped heart problems that if a customer today what would I want to solve for in a Talked about data and date and what they can do for business today. It's I think the world is just scratching the surface devops process just the ability for the business technologist to be at the table of the same having the same conversation. Same common linked gather has taken the noise that. It's had to deal with decades off the table. Dun-rite devops is the most powerful thing we do stand ups as a business we do. We were using it as outside of technology. This is how you how you run. A better process automation automation automation. You know it's it's coming on over. The years is something that was important but I think the world of cloud you don't get you don't get out scale that Asian that he's not repeatable predictable scale automation did he. I M L. my my belief on that and that's my personal belief is. It's something that I as a technology provider have to incorporate into my technology for my cost. Okay this isn't bad. Bits and bobs I give my Kuzma say you use. I need to just make it harder. What do so they get the benefit as opposed to having them do some of the engineering around okay and something that I think. providers need to do because I it used to hurt me and CIO This didn't happen this. It's not so much. A trend as it is a need is choice. You know it's one thing to have the best. Technology is the other thing to be able to empower me. Use the way I need because no do not companies not why teashops at the same not footprints of infrastructure at the same. So if I need this. Dr Capability. Give me the capability. The way that fits my organization. Give me a give me a Cli. GimMe a incorporate into my see to give me the best on the planet. Because I'm a window shop. Whatever it doesn't matter I WANNA be able to corporate into my environment and and get the productivity that I that I'm paying for right away. Don't force me to adapt your technology. And that's something. I think the industry could do better and we have front and center in how we built. Technology your call is wonderful will send Thank you so much for taking time in talking about your your current role. The pathway were involved a bit about your career path as well. It's been a great conversation. Thank you for the time. Thanks for tuning in. Please join me on Thursday for a special bonus episode featuring Charlie Myers the chief executive officer of Equifax.

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How to Be Incessantly Curious

Lush Life

1:08:23 hr | 1 year ago

How to Be Incessantly Curious

"It's not every day that I can say. My guest has gone from tanks Teutonic off his French 75 now come only in a glass and he has never looked back. Susan Schwartz, you're drinking companion and this is Lush Life podcast every week. We're inspired to live life on cocktail at a time incessantly curious and globally mobile Charles Gibb CEO a fever Tree North America is always ready for a challenge. If you're planning to start up in a foreign country back, then he's the one to call. He's with us today to show us all how it's done. I am so excited to have you on the show. Thank you so much for joining me and I can't wait to hear your story. I just want you to know I'm drinking Fever Tree at this moment laid the aromatic, and water and not only do I love its color but I love its taste by itself. Don't tell any Spirit companies extraordinary taste. What can I tell you now? You are such a big man on the campus here. You are CEO a fever Tree in North America and you have done seen a lot of things before this and I would love to start at the beginning. Oh my goodness. All right, it's not going. Don't worry. We're not going to be here for days, but I know that you suck at all life. Well, actually, I don't know where you started off like so let why don't I ask you. Where did you start off life? Well, I wish describe myself as a child of the world because I my my father was in the Army he served in the British Army. And so I grew up all over the world and I grew up in you know back in the UK and I went to school in the UK. But every time I went to it, when when when he would holiday, I went to Germany or Belgium or a different house somewhere and my father was there and not there cuz he was a serving and you know, whether it was Cypress or Northern Ireland or somewhere strange and I had the pleasure of living in you know, Singapore and and and America at one stage and and so I I sort of grew up all over the world and I've always embraced sort of global mobility and and kind of the global community that we live in I think as a result of that was instilled in me at a very early age what because your father was in the service. Did you always know that you were going to head there as well? No, I didn't. I mean he he was you know, he never pushed me in that direction, but it was something that that I am. To do something that I was determined to do. I obviously held him in very high regard with, you know, the deepest amount of respect and I really admired what what he did and and his service to our country, So it was something that I wanted to do and it was a very Natural Evolution I think for me at the time and right after school you went into Sandhurst, right? Yeah. Yeah, I went I I probably didn't have the qualifications get to University nor the patience frankly to do to do the you know, the amount of study. I was a Restless young man, and I wanted to get out and you know attack a world as it were and and and grasp it. So I chose not to go to university and and went to Saint test and did the officer training there and then and then completed that and then join my regiment, you know, the age of whatever it took eighteen nineteen years old. So, you know young young man suddenly thrust into a position of leadership and command of you know in those days about, you know, Thirty soldiers and and spend you know siraj Phenomenally is tremendous Adventures yet serving in the British army. You know, it's funny you were in the Royal Scots, right? Correct? Yeah, so of course, I thought you were going to say oh, my father was Scottish and I grew up drinking whiskey and that's what led me there. But how did you find was there any Scottish? Is there any Scottish in you that led you to join Scott's hundred percent my father my father served in the Royal Scots, you know, I'm a I'm a Scotsman by you know blood cut me open I bleed. I've got a but I you know, I I I have a I suppose a neutral British accent because I grew up all over the world ended up going to school in England and I think I think you know as you evolve and particularly in a sort of global business, you know, I've I've actually I always describe myself as one of the majority of Scots in the fact that I that I read a great statistic once that there are 60 off. Million people in the world who classify themselves as being Scottish, but only 4 and 1/2 or 5 million actually live in Scotland myself at the majority of Scots who who chose to live old now. So the Royal Scots was something that you knew you were going to go into but did you think you were going to be a career, you know in the service for your whole career or were you thinking this was only a short-term thing until I then jump off and do something else? No, it was it was when I joined it was an intention to have a you know, a full career in the Army. And what I discovered was I moved through, you know, the first three ranks as it were very very quickly. I was a second Lieutenant Lieutenant Captain. I was a captain, you know, the age of twenty-three and suddenly I looked ahead and I the Army has has a strange, you know hierarchy where you can accelerate very quickly in your home. Sort of seven or eight years and then suddenly they slow you down for the next ten years and whilst I've done three steps in say five or six years the next two steps, you know, the rules didn't permit them to take the next two steps for another nine ten years. And I think that coupled with the fact that there was a lot of kind of Defense Cuts there was a lot of you know reduction in military spending that I was running around the woods and awful lot shouting bang, you know, as opposed to firing a gun which sounded a bit a bit silly or waving a rattle to simulate machine gun fire and I found myself playing a lot of shocker as you guys call it football and you know, I play football two afternoons a week and I thought just a second there's something you know, I should be doing more with my life than this and of course, so I decided to I decide to leave and decide to resign and a resigned my commission and bizarrely nine months after I left the Army and I'd seen, you know, I'd seen some active service in in Northern Ireland that wage. In the main place that you went in those days in the British Army and of course of bizarrely nine months after I left, you know, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and and my Battalion was one of the first, you know across the start line in the first Gulf War and many of my friends who stayed and stayed in served in two Gulf Wars and have ended up in Endless tours of Iraq and Afghanistan back on and all over the shop. So the world was a very different place because I was I was in the army during the Cold War. And I was there right at the end of the Cold War, you know, I always remember being on on exercising in North Western Germany and we saw a trabant, you know, which which basically had come from East Germany and that was the day that the Wall came down and it was an extraordinary day because the brakes suddenly you show up, you know hundreds but usually drips and drabs of Eastern European cars from a drifting across into the west and it was very strange a very strange time to be alive and it's very strange. To be living in Germany and I guess for someone who has trained so long to be I guess at War. It must have been quite frustrating for you to not be able to have that experience. You know, some of them of you probably is like thank God I'm safe, you know didn't happen but part of you probably felt unfulfilled. I don't know. Is that true or not go off? Yeah, I think actually I mean it's it's it's the same as anybody in actually trained endlessly to be something then you want to test yourself in those in those areas. You know, I'm a nurse you never who never has to deal with with a you know, an open wound is made like going on. I did all this nursing training but I didn't actually get, you know, dress a wound or something or a home, you know, you know a surgeon right endlessly to stop, you know, people robbing banks, you know, never gets the chance to stop somebody robbing a bank it right? Of course. There is. You know when you've trained very hard for something the training is that intense. Yeah, you you always want to put yourself to the test. Of course. Now there you are, you know, you resigned your commission and you are out in the real world, you know without a you know, a babysitter or anything to fall back on really dead. Where did you even think of starting did you have an idea? No, absolutely not. I was twenty-five twenty-six years old. I was a young, you know young young young man. So I went skiing for six months which much to the most of the are of my father who who covers like when are you going to get a proper job. But what it did was it gave me time and it gave me a break and it gave me a chance to think and what I what I landed on is that I didn't want to be in, you know in banking or an insurance. I didn't want to spend my life looking at a computer screen off. I wanted to be in a business that that if you like played to what I felt my skills were which were those that have said of leadership? Yeah leadership management and working with people. So I I could have immediately sought out careers in business industry where I would have the opportunity to lead teens and Lead groups of people cuz I I that's what I'm passionate about. That's what I loved doing. I'm also passionate about kind of consumer Behavior or people's behavior consumers as what I would call it now, but in those days like the way people behave and I think the final thing was I wanted to do something that I kind of felt was tangible so I couldn't and something that I could be passionate about and care about you know, and and much as you know makes my whites, you know home and recharge maybe a fantastic business. It just doesn't do it for me while I kind of automatically gravitated I think to some of my maybe life's life's devices and wage. Career in tobacco which gives I think the best training in the world and selling those days go the best training that you could get in any industry. And then from there kind of spent time at Gallaher wage is a British Tobacco Company doing kind of export markets for them and then very quickly transitioned into the alcohol business, you know after a couple of years and and really that's where I spent twenty-five years career in the alcoholic beverages. That was probably a smart shift given how the tobacco has changed. I think I was the only person who actually gave up smoking must work off of a Coke up. There you go. I was sitting in a meeting room and the thing was the air was thick with smoke as it would be in those days and they'd be cigarettes everywhere down the table and you back light ones your medium ones you're super strong ones and then you could take these ones at the end that you just looked at and just for those are sort of instant death ones. We probably won't touch those ones and and I dead I remember sitting in this room. I'm a walking out of the room. I actually felt ill and I haven't smoked a single cigarette during that meeting but it was almost like a form of, you know religion or sort of communion off that you'd walk into a meeting room. The first thing everybody would do is grab a cigarette light up and you sit in a room with ten or fifteen people all smoking, you know, for three or four hours long and makes you would get from the way you would feel was just anyway, you know, I I never smoked again never smoked again and never would and yet and yet when I was in the Army, I smoked, you know all the time cuz I was young I was fit and we probably didn't understand the kind of real Perils of doing so right, of course, it was totally a different time. So when what was your first if you remember your first job in the drinks industry So my first job was was that Bacardi rum when Bacardi was a single brand company. So literally it was having bought the grey Goose's or the off base or any of these these Brands. I was based in London. I was a European marketing manager, I'd grown up sort of speaking French and German at school. I was quite good at languages. I did this. I was in the European marketing team and I travel into Europe and and support their local markets there and it was all just a big adventure, you know, cuz for a young man, you know, it was a great adventure and I was learning about you know, how distribution networks operate how brands are marketed phenomenal kind of mentors and guides at the county and Bacardi was a great, you know still is a great company, but it was a great company to work for because being family owned, you know, they they didn't worry about this year's profits. They worried about job. Making sure the brand was in you know, the best shape. It could be to give On to the Next Generation. So it was very long. You know, they were thought much longer term. I felt and they always there was cared about what would happen in five years time more than 5 minutes time. Did you feel that the marketing position was was it once you once you got a taste of marketing did she think? Okay. I'm I now can do this. This is what I feel like my training before has led me to I feel comfortable, you know being in marketing cuz there's lots of aspects of the drinks industry that you could have fallen into but marketing I think you know, it was very quick to me it would be marketing and sales and I think that marketing and sales and Commercial Management requires the two to work, you know, brilliantly together and and people talk about this all the time, you know, but but you know marketing to me is a bath. Understanding how people behave and therefore and how you can change their behavior through your actions through through marketing the branch representing the branch or talking about the brand in a very specific way that appeals to people and so I think that our whole idea of Behavioral changes really important but none of that matters if you haven't got a great sales organization is that they're executing them and particularly in the drinks industry where you've got this unique environment where you can you know, you can engage with your consumers as they're using your product, you know back to my you know, soap powder analogy wage. Nobody comes into your kitchen just has that so proud of doing like well if you do you like it no and you think no I just throw it in and the clothes come out clean. So, please leave me alone and get out of my get out of my laundry room in a bar. You can go up to people and talk and people are Keen to talk about what they like, they love it. And so there's this wonderful live aspect to the drinks industry off. Where you really do, you really get to meet the people that drink your brand and and you can't have any misconceptions about it cuz you can walk into a place of those are the people drinking it. That's what they look like. And how do I change. That's how that's what they look like. That's how they behave that's what interests them. That's why they're there and you suddenly realize that actually, you know, they're in a bar because they want to be with their friends or cuz there's watch a game on T or because they're celebrating something or this or that the other they're not in the to drink your bread. So you've got to find your way into their conversation. I think that's that's part of the fun of being in a small business that is super super interesting and so back to Bacardi when you were at Bacardi and getting your feet wet with this, you know, did you think you would stay there forever or did you feel okay. This is a step onto the next thing. You know, I'm bored, you know did was it just a logical transition every game? And when the next move I guess Bacardi boat Martini & Rossi at the end of my time there and as a part of that process and this this I think is sort of shows you how much the world has changed but they bought Martini & Rossi and they wanted to relocate all of us to Amsterdam and there was opportunities for me in Amsterdam or maybe in Bermuda ago and I thought Bermuda that sounds interesting and fun and then I realized that people never leave Bermuda when they get their stock rims are saying I'm bit too young to go to an island and sort of retire at the age of what I thought was late twenties at this point. So so an Amsterdam just didn't do it for me. I will say maybe cuz I'd been there too often in the Army. I was in the city I particularly fancy living in and and so bizarrely Bacardi, you know made me redundant and the industry was such a Is days that they said well, I personally feel very sorry that you're being made redundant and they made one or two introductions for me. One of which led to me joining United distillers, which of course, you know, Thursday is Diageo and I I kind of joined United distillers and I left, you know, the CEO and didn't stop working for the same company it just merged and merged and merged and Acquired and change things endlessly. And yeah, so for the first movie trying to be yeah, I never super friendly of them to say today. It would never happen to think it was the kind of you know, the drinks business was kind of considered to be a you know, sort of gentlemanly business and you know people took care we took care of each other as it were and it was it was it I mean, it's not the sort of thing and I'm sure she'll many Industries with the same, you know, you know, I'm sure that a little look wage. Little I still feel that a little bit about the drinks industry. But so D Agia was that when they immediately send you to Poland. Yeah. I mean, I think a plug for the truck two weeks and then and then somebody said to me you were in the Army I said, yes, and they said do you want to go to Poland I said Where's the link it one plus one. Anyway, they said well, there's a job going in Poland. We're starting, you know a company there and we think it'd be a great opportunity for you. So I woke to Poland in November. It was miserable. It was wet. It was cold. It was it was there was nothing appealing about it whatsoever and I came back and I accepted the job only because I thought wow what an adventure. Yeah amazing opportunity. What an amazing time to go to a country that is literally a man. It was what it was. I mean a 1989 December 1989, you know, really just after the Berlin Wall fell. So that was when the Wall came down quiet. I went there in nineteen ninety end of 92 early 93 Dodge still pretty pretty very early on and you know, I mean God alive living in living in water in those days, you know you would you would buy what was in the shops you never birth. Shopping list because you know, you would go to the shops and they just wouldn't be stuff. And so what were you selling? What were what what did they want you to take out their number one? What were they drinking? What were you trying to get them to drink? Well, what they were drinking was vodka vodka vodka and more vodka and you know Poland I'm in Poland. I've got a long history with Poland of this month, but how long was the you know is the birthplace of vodka, you know several hundred years before the Russians and you know polls would drink vodka and vodka in those days was controlled by the state of the state government controlled vodka and they control the sale of it at every level. They produced it themselves at these poor masses which stands for Polish Monopoly of spirits. So it was a you know, they they they literally Palm us and then the town name they had all these distilleries all the way over the country. They controlled the brand names so they they they had all the brands and then in those dead. Believe it or not. They would publish the Vodka prices in the newspaper when they wanted to do a price increase so they were just three pages of vodka pricing and then you could not be reached if you were a retailer or a wholesaler, you could not breach the pricing mechanism that was set by the by the government. So the government made all the money on vodka and it was sold in milk crates are actually plastic crates and people would walk in and they buy vodka by the half liter and the half litre was considered one night consumption. So they would walk in by their bottle of vodka consuming that need to come back the next day come back the next day and you know, it was I mean, I think there was a time in Poland when they were fourteen when I was I was fourteen million people living wage in the country consuming forty million cases of vodka. Yeah now by any standards that's that's a lot of vodka. So I was there believe it or not to change. Drinking habits and to get Whiskey on jeans that was going to be my guess was whiskey at least Johnny Morgan and was was there and you said June as well. But back to the Johnnie Walker was saved history of them drinking whiskey at all. Oh, yes the polls during impose a phenomenal people. They really are closed during the whole communist era. They were the most Innovative the most money, you know, they had all these routes to get product into the country and stuff. You know, they they had a very healthy Black Market that allowed them to to you know, drive and and to live and to survive during communism. And so, you know, Johnnie Walker would get in there through various different means through some duty-free shops off this through. For some channels obviously up through the Baltic and there was a brand presence there, but our job was obviously to sort of get more and more and more people drink drinking it or be. It was a very good job. Very expensive for any locals to drink. So it was already at a super premium pricing even familiar Walker Red Label. Well, how how was that for you and your kind of growth as a business person would people take you would they, you know, did they want to know you where I think I think will not told me was the most important thing is is give them gives a brand a personality long live the brand yourself which is really important. I talk a bit about that and you know tell the story people who are obsessed with telling the story and so literally I would do tours of Poland. I was I was wearing a kilt probably three four nights a week a walk, you know, normally I wear kilts for weddings funerals and sort of, you know, big celebration parties balls or whatever like maybe five times a year. Ten times a year Max. I was wearing The Kilt literature Three or four nights a week as we would go around the country educating people standing up in front of group, you know in front of groups of people and and telling the story of Johnny Walker. We bring up Piper in there and play the bagpipes. We this we would you know, we would just bring we would just give the brand a real personality and give it real energy and and I thought the brand myself, you know endlessly and I'd sit down with these big Distributors and wholesalers and they brought me to drink vodka and I'd want them to try whiskey and we would kind of educate each other on on the nuances of our preferred drinks and you know, what what we found on obviously Johnny Walker and and whiskey is a very very aspiration question products, right aspiration product people to get to engage with and you know phenomenally phenomenally interesting to watch people off. You know as this country was growing as this country was maturing as this country was sort of re-awakening and reopening and it was a real reopening of Reawakening of Poland home and you know sort of coming out from the shackles of Communism. They they really embraced things that were new that were vibrant new to them that were vibrant that were energetic and I mean my God we had some fun. Oh, I'm sure you must have been incredible. How long were you there? I was there for three just three and a bit years living in Warsaw. I mean, you know, there was the there was all that side of it and then there was a really tough side of it which was a very long hard country to live in it's very harsh the winters of extremely cold. You know, it's no it's no surprise that you know, so many off all settled in Chicago because I didn't win over the weather's very similar similar. It's extremely cold in the winter lovely in the summer extremely cold in the winter. It would drag on and on and on I think there was one year where something like five months never got above freezing for one minute one day and and it just wore you down and the cloud cover page on the plains. It's flat playing and you know, the cloud cover would sit about three or four hundred feet, you know above the ground and it would just be dead. Right and it was kind of exhausting and and you know, obviously personal security was an issue cuz you're a Westerner operating in a you know, you know bring in European market which was still you know, huge wealth obviously huge wealth gap between and you know, a British expatriate living there and and and any of the locals and and so it was it was it was a tough. It was a lot of fun. It was hugely energizing but tremendously exhausting. No, no wonder you went right to Australia. Well, I had an Australian girlfriend and so my boss cuz it was a what would you like to have some Love Anita sunshine today? And I've got an Australian girlfriends about it about a month later. He came to me and said there's an opening for you in Melbourne. So I was shipped off like any good grip off to Australia. I said what have I done wrong? I said you should have the rights and loved it. I mean, I mean and I guess it should gradually progressing up in the company what in Rome Italy they already know about whiskey in Australia, but did you have to was there a different brand that they wanted you to promote or that the Australians weren't drinking as much money, but because you get to Australia and it's a totally different, so I was in Australia with Diageo was in Melbourne, and then I went to Perth and then I came back to Sydney month, but you know the oldies love their Bundy run Bundaberg Rum and somebody always told me when I first moved there till five nights on the Bundy and you'll you know, how long you'll be converted for life you're going to do about three waking up with these horrific hangovers cuz it was Monday and Coke and she just wake up these massive sugar happy. It was like, oh, I can't drink that stuff and so Bundaberg and I never quite hit it off, you know, but but there was a title that was obviously a huge whiskey Market Big Jim get even more exciting today actually the gym Market in Australia and you know vodka et cetera. But yeah Bundy was the buddy was the new cover for me. It was again a fascinating brand to work on cuz my last job in Australia was all about Innovation. So we started doing Bundaberg Rum and cola on tap in kegs in Queensland, which is home of Bundy rum and she walk into a bar and you get a Bundy and cola on tap, you know literally poured like yeah, they out of a cake and wage people are loved it. I mean it was it was phenomenal and was getting a simple Insight that you know, the coldest you can get a drink with ice in a glass is you know, three fog Recent Centigrade, but they're coming out of the tap was coming out of two degrees. Maybe it's like five degrees in a glass and put it with a difference was was huge and therefore the refresh page Q which was massively different. And so as soon as you put it on tap, you could ice the tax make sure it was super cold. So what happens when it's super cold as people go. Oh, that's so refreshing. I want another correct. Yes. I want another so that must have been really exciting for you to start innovating as well as marketing also start innovating in your role hundred percent. Yeah loved it. And you know, we did all sorts of fun projects down there and we were there at the sort of early days of the RTD Boo and loads of people in a world will you know, I just remember the madness of of that time and the craziness of our TD's in in Australia and it's probably still one of the markets in the world where RTD is is, you know considered wage. The normal form of consumption as everywhere else. It's kind of it's come in and out of fashion over over the years and and has medical folk struggled to sustain a strong positioning and very much the fashion right at this moment. But so it had to be a really great role to bring you back from Australia with with down there. So I first of all I I can I left I left e i d i g o and then I went and did a little bit of work in a wine business for a while which was often. It's quite sort of innovative and sadly we were about to kick off a business here in the US and then nine-eleven happened and a contract wage were going to sign never got signed and the wine that was designated from West never got put into a bottle. So we sort of had to fold that and then I joined and then I heard about this company Genesis starting in Australia, and I thought That sounds like a bit of fun and I stalked literally stopped the guy who I found out who was going to be the CEO and I stalked him which is much more difficult those days cuz you couldn't should have linked in here. I was going to say no LinkedIn engine. You have to go get you can really stalk him letters and stuff like that and you know insist that he gave you and try and find his phone number and all the rest of it and I met I met this extraordinary man chuckled Rob Remnant who was sent by Marie Hennessy from Asia done to Australia to start a company there. And on the first day we met I think we both knew that we would be, you know, lifelong friends and we we are we are lifelong friends. We hit it off from day one. We were on the same wavelength when it came to vision for the company how we wanted to operate how we wanted to behave everything. We just just one of birth. Unique moments in life where you find somebody who's so in tune with you and who you are and what you want to do. So we started you know together we started met her seat Australia from Chicago. He was the boss. I was running the sales organization. He had been living in Australia for 9 years. He was the newcomer to Australia. He knew all about Varanasi. I knew nothing about Tennessee and Thursday. We had this one before yin and yang and and and just got on like a house on fire and we just both had the same ethos of sort of work hard play hard and and and have a lot of fun doing doing it and and generally that's what we did and we took the business to two levels that were never imagined prior to us starting the business, you know, it was a it was it was a business that's doing well, but it really really really great job after we took control of it and you know, we recruited an extraordinary team of people, you know, many of whom have gone on to very senior levels, you know in Tennessee and that dead I mean that we were both really really proud of you know was the fact that my God looked you know, one of the guys that I recruited is now actually the managing director of Australia and one of the you know, one of the girls monogamous wrong shown in Australia, one of the somebody else was off here that neither one of the girls. We we recruited the start now runs, you know all of the entree Business Office Tennessee in the UK. So, you know, we we had some real kind of wow massive success stories when it came to the people and that was something we were both kind of really hire hats on and we're really proud of Em. I'm sure I'm sure was there one specific specific spirit that they that you wanted to promote there or was it just the whole the whole gamut of everything for us. It was Champagnes first, you know, so, you know, what ashamed of Jumper in your those three in particular clean are coming in more and more toward. The end when it came to Spirits, you know or try the next most important thing was was shown wrong cuz we have the local Winery articles and that was a huge business for us. And then of course, you know the ownership of cape mentelle and cloudy Bay. We have those Brands which which were really important and big brands in the Australian market and both very kind of iconic in that part of the world. So often those were a big focus of the portfolio and Spirits was was a much smaller Focus for us, but you know, beautiful portfolio with with Hennessey, obviously as the lead and you know heavy focus on a lot in the Asian market in particular within within Australia and then you know Brands like velvety, you know, we're integrated during that time along with faith with Glenmorangie, you know, so they were all coming on board, but they were new but new bits of business, but our business was really Champagnes and Minds first and foremost. So what Drew you to the role Of at Belvedere. So another another new brand that you could conquer know. It was it was movie. I mean after three years of doing that, you know, Rob my boss obviously like this putting out he he he said, you know, I want to find a new opportunity for you Charles and I then had the pleasure of meeting. I don't know probably one of my other great matures in in in life chat with James Cochran who was running more Hennessy Europe at the time and I went into Moranis to Europe working in the kind of head office there helping James with strategies a new business development. We were doing a joint venture a joint venture at that time in Russia. We were doing setting up companies across Eastern Europe. We were trying to sort of consolidate our sales and marketing efforts across the European market. So I sort of sat in James's office and and helped him with sort of I would say, you know transnational projects or Panthers. European projects or pan-european initiatives and it was a again, you know an amazing team of people that James was assembling cuz cuz James exact was one of these people that believed in get the best talent surround myself with the best talent. I possibly can and I don't need to be the expert in everything I can I could be the you know off the conductor of the orchestra, but I want to have the best people in all these different roles and again, you know another character who's very, you know, influential in my life and my career because he you know, if I look at the people on his executive team at the time again, they've ended up running motor Sean. They've ended up running Europe they've ended up running, you know part of Asia, they've ended up I mean wage, you know big parts of the business, you know, one of them was the CFO for Marc Jacobs for years years and years and years. So they've all gone on I'm including myself and then and then the Belvedere opportunity came along and birth Kristoff Navarre who was running but Hennessey at the time, you know came to New Jersey need you to go over there. I said, oh wow and off I went and again. We're back to Poland but it is well because the office was based in London and my wife was brilliant cuz my wife left him in the chest just a second. You've got a boss in Paris, you're going to distillery in Poland. And in those days eighty percent of the business was being done in America or whatever. It was a very high percentage why we living in London as like because I was literally traveling between those three places down as problems in London. So after about four months, I took a proposal to Crystal and that's what I love about. My Hennessy was I took a proposed I said, we need to relocate the headquarters. We need to be home know we and he said you will come to Paris. I said actually the idea was we've moved to New York to be close to the market close to the fuel and he went Make it happen. So three months later. I'm shutting the London office moving it from London to New York. And we moved to New York in early 2009 in the middle of the financial crisis and all the rest of it. So and you should have lived here obviously ever since but it's one of those things and I look back at my life and my career one of the things I've I worked out is that I love doing to start up businesses. I love doing things which are new so, you know starting up the business in Poland. I just love that energy and passion. I loved the start of experience in Australia found in Europe. I was loving all the kind of new initiatives and starting up new ways of doing things across Europe and then and then when I came to Belvedere it was like well, how do I how do I do? So the first thing that sort of came into my mind probably naturally was well I need to reset and so I treated it as a start-up same model that I think was changing the location changing the headquarters. Changing the way that we were thinking and breaking some of the sort of previous paradigms and and you know, I suppose it's no surprise. I find myself starting to be Retreat business in North America after that long because it's something I enjoy doing. I love the energy of a start-up. Yes. It must be especially with the brands that are already, you know around that that have been established. You know fear factor tree is is quite established here in the UK, you know, there's not one bar that you go to that doesn't have Fever Tree. I am allergic to aspartame so I would always seek I can't have a Pimm's Cup say and a pub because they use every single mixer that is like store-bought door. I'm not going to name any names but most of them are made with spare tame. They don't say it on the label, but you ask yes this this this so of course I started to age Beaver tree, you know, because I had to you know, it was thank goodness one of the ones if not the only one that was made with natural flavors natural everything so I know it's been in my life for a long time now. I think of it, you know, I don't think of it really as quintessentially English, but it is has been here for a while the owners et cetera the founders and so how did you feel that? You could introduce it to the US market? Well, I mean well I'll I'll go back a step to go bad. But so so. He's obviously been around since 2005 and it first came to the US in 2007. So I didn't bring the Brand New Jersey Supreme has already here, but it was here through a third-party agent. It was putting it into a distribution Network. It wasn't marketing the brain. He was selling cases into the marketplace but wasn't taking the care and attention that a brand owner would take up their own brand if you were based here. So he he you know, he did a great job, you know to get the brand established but as with any aging business, you know, once you get to a certain size you're better off running the business yourself, right and and I first came across fever-tree bizarrely again, you know all the great things in my life happened because of my wife but we really we were Well, we'd been drinking age in London in 2006 2007 and we were a Christmas party at a friend's house and they had Fever Tree I went to school at 3 between then. She starts chanting like out for you between people three months and the chefs actually one of the founders is over there. So my wife being my wife's Australian she's got no inhibitions whatsoever. She works great over to this chat just you Tim. Your name? Yes. This toilet water is absolutely delicious. It's all we buy it's all we all drink. We don't drink anything else. We absolutely adore it and you know, Tim and his wife and I bought myself and and and tomorrow we just hit it off very very quickly. We got on, you know, we get on very very well as we got on very very well as friends and then as I moved into the Belvedere job, I said my God this this this is such good product is dead. And to your point, you know, it's got none of the artificial garbage that most things in them. It's got you know, no high fructose corn syrup and frankly, you know, you make all these amazing speeds and then people destroy them with it awful mixes. And so I mandated when I was running Belvedere Vodka that that under no circumstances providing Fever Tree was in the office what we need to do any events anywhere in the world if Fever Tree was not present. Because fabulous she would replace better and it will Belvedere Vodka taste better and it made it makes everything taste a lot better right because you know, and I thought that was I used this analogy a lot. But if you think about a master distiller or you think about you know, yeah Spirit Creator, they've chosen they carefully selected their grades. They've distinguished took a point of Victory. They've aged in barrels that have been hand-selected they age them for specific number of years. They crack them open they blend them they bottle and they they take all the Care and attention in the world. They put them in a beautiful bottle and then 10 seconds before you get your drink somebody injects it with a whole load of garbage and and you know high fructose corn syrup artificial ingredients, nothing natural and the spirit gets completely destroyed and what you're doing when you do that is you're destroying the life's work of this master distiller, you know, and that's it. That's what I'm doing and I will say that you wouldn't put tomato ketchup on regular beef. You wouldn't put garbage mayonnaise on your Lobster. Yeah. That's what that's what time Their you know their logo or they're saying is so great that if three-quarters of your drink is going to be a mixture make it the best mixer possible. You could you know, you can't get you know, it's that's simple it's it's exactly what it is. Yeah, what's interesting is, you know, obviously it starts with working with premium spirits. But the reality is that over time, you know, we find more and more and more people say to us. Oh my God, you know, I drink X brand and it may not be the top shelf, but it may be the medium or bottom Shopper, but I only get my favorite thing cuz I want to make my bun taste better. And so whether it's the best Spirit or the worst Spirit the reality is it makes it taste better and it delivers a better drinking experience for the consumer and and that is the genius of Fever Tree. That's the genius of Charles and Tim the two Founders The Genius of the way, they've done it because they've approached it in the same manner as a spiritual. Because you know, we're a mix of route where it's a red absolutely one or two people may conceal our privacy, but we're a mix of random with designed to be mixed with Spirits with designed to make alcoholic drinks better. And that's what gives us the ability to talk about our ingredient hunting our sourcing, you know, and and talk about the brand in the same way of spirit Grant talks about its sourcing and it's no more ingredients and it's just Elation process and the rest of it because there's there's there's an art form to the creativity of the absolutely now in your role in the US have you found that you have introduced it to people who had never heard of it throughout the US I mean and and how did you do it? How how what what are some of the things that you did or have done or still doing a thing? I mean, you know the answers of the brand had a had a strong loyal following of May. He kind of people in the know I would say, you know people who really, you know care about or you know travel. Let's say to the gay or seen the brand somewhere or certainly obviously a big a big fight amongst the bartending Community et cetera. And what we've been doing is really trying to to to expand the sort of consumer base and you do that first and foremost through kind of experienced to you know, what I'm talking about pre covid-19. I love the non iPhone texts corn syrup aspect they love the different ingredients, you know, and and so finding ways to physically go talk to people like a back to my kind of early days in Poland. It's like I spend a lot of time on the road myself in a kilt wandering around telling the Johnnie Walker story. Well, I've got a team of people but I'm still doing a lot of it as well and we fly around the country and we turn up at these events and we stand behind things that we talk to people and we tell them the story of the brand that we bring it to Life as a person and it comes from the heart of how much they love it why we love it and why this is an amazing opportunity for them to upgrade their drinking experience. So I think that's been really really really key obviously engaging the bar trade-off and then, you know started look at bigger initiatives. We open the fever-tree porch in Bryant Park, you know, Bryant Park being right at that kind of epicenter of New York, you know dead. A few blocks from ground Central between Grand Central and Times Square and then they kind of Golden Triangle with Time Square, you know Grand Central Empire State Building. So it's at absolutely dead, you know mixing pot of locals because you've got HSBC you've got, you know Salesforce you got Bank of America. You've got Campari, you've got big big big companies who got their offices in and around that space who love to go on the grass in the summer and have a drink and have lunch and relax. You've got events. You've got like skating in the park in the winter you the Winter Market that pops up there and we you know, we have a bar that and buy, you know would would serve a hundred thousand fever-tree cocktails. We would reckon in a normal year. I Was Eighteen by thirty-six million people and again, they get to see The Branding feel the brand experience the brand and again, we're able to look at different drinks Trends we can we can see what's selling cuz wage. Put different things on it. Oh wow. And and that's why what I love about you as as I said, I'm drinking the aromatic tonic water is that you're always innovating and there's something new with Verizon and interesting and delicious and that is is great for someone who both either loves to mix it or to have it by itself off. You know, I think I mean again, you know what obviously one of the one of the keys was elevating of a drink but secondly is innovating. This whole platform of innovation is is you know phenomenal because what it allows you to do is is create more than a simple drink at home. You know a reality is that if you ask, you know Spirits companies and and I was guilty for God knows how how many years I'm not going to say. Oh it's innocent here but spirits come in as a monthly telling you to create these very complex cocktails at home, you know do this a dash of this and simple syrups and parcel agave nectar some you know dash of staged maybe a bit of this through that and you're up to sort of five or six ingredients and of course, you know your average consumer, you know, by the way, I'm I include myself in this, you know, how long you start pouring in something in there. I got too much of that and oh, yeah, that's really horrible now cuz I really stuff that that up and you realize just how damn difficult it is to make a decent cocktail. That's why you go out. And of course, yes, you want to give Negroni don't come to my house. Go to a bar. I always say that too. Shoot two people at home don't make complex drinks and yet Sports companies endlessly are trying to sell people complex strengths and people don't have, you know endless sprigs of Rosemary and Thyme and whatever but Fever Tree has already done that work for you, you know in our aromatic tonic you've got in angostura bark and pimento very wow. Now you would never know how much angostura bar or prevent a very to put in your own drink. We've done it for you. You know, we've got lemon thyme and rosemary in our Mediterranean time. Nobody's going to know how to mix lemon thyme and rosemary Essences into a drink and now he's got the time too cuz you come to somebody's house and what do you get offered you get offered a beer glass of wine? Or a spirit and and so a spirit has to be simple Spirit mixer. Garnish and hopefully they know how to do ice which in America actually people do people in Britain are not quite so good at the ice thing and yet one little Lumber vices it's getting better. It's getting better. But you're off of device that would just fall apart. But you know, that is what but that's what people do at home. So, okay, you can come to us yet. I'll give you a general tonic. I'll give you a whiskey and ginger. I'll give you up, you know Paloma I can do that because it's tequila and grapefruit I can do it because it's gin and it's tonic and I've got a great friend of mine in the city who loves the Mediterranean and serves endlessly at his hands and he always makes the cocktails in the kitchen cuz he comes as yet. This is my special recipe radio type but his friends for months that it was actually I think no, it's Fever Tree. He's been five. So he stopped hiding it off. Now I don't usually ask this but since you've had such a long career and so many interesting things looking back at you know, the young lad who just gave up in Mission with skiing. Could you ever have imagined that you have gotten and traveled and done so much off and do you feel that you well succeeded in what you thought you might achieve so far. I thank you, sir. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for that compliment but I always knew I was going to have a lot of fun. And I wish knew that I was going to I've had various sort of I have various mantras, but one of them was I'm sort of globally mobile. So and and if I hadn't been globally mobile, you know, if I'd said to live in the United Kingdom, you know, I would never have gone to Poland and if I hadn't gone to Poland, I would probably never have gone to Australia never hadn't gone to Australia. I wouldn't have met my wife and if I hadn't met my wife, I have two crazy kids and if you know and if I hadn't had my wife, we wouldn't probably have moved Belvedere from London to New York cuz I'd be stupid enough to keep on jumping on the Train to Paris day and off to Poland and she was when I said why we hear when when you're never here, so I kind of you know, and and then I've always been open to new opportunity. I think I think that's the thing is is that's what excites me. I've got a you know, I talked about a talk with my team a lot about having incessant curiosity about new things and I thought you know, that's what keeps me young. That's what keeps me fresh. That's what keeps me vibrant is this idea of you know, incessantly being incessantly curious about what people are doing and why they're doing it and how we should you know, how can we make a change to make this happen? And and I I do mean I I have the privilege of working with a really young Dynamic team. I've had the privilege of meeting a number of great people but not to mention my two greatest mentors, you know, the one that tennis Australia and and the one at Tennessee Europe so James James and Robin and then prior to that I have, you know, crazy Australian chat was a great man in Poland who took me under his wing and and and you know, I've always had a voice had the privilege of kind of meeting those type c people or find them along the way and you know, I've Loved what I've done I've loved every minute of it and but you know, I'm still I think I'm still the same guy that left the Army age twenty-five or twenty-six and I sort of I still I still look at myself occasionally. As I said a young Restless man and and have to be reminded that I'm fifty-five years old, but actually my kids are the ones who should be young and rests off but and that's because I you know, I do I thrive off that energy. I mean, I I, you know, I love staying fit. I love you know, I play golf, you know, I love it off try to be competitive. I'm not as competitive as I used to be but I'm try to be and I love bike riding. So I go off and do these massive bike rides cuz all these things, you know, and and my best friend from long time in the Army is still my best friend in the world. And you know, I see him it's it's, you know straight back down to earth as a normal, you know? Yeah. I mean just just Is the first person I call when I've got a problem and and and the first person I call when I want to celebrate. So I I you know, I never imagined I didn't have a plan. I suppose that was the thing. I didn't have a plan but I but I had a kind of I've stayed true to what I think I'm good at I think you know and you know, I believe I'm a a a very strong very good leader of people. I believe that I I've I I love it. I enjoy it. I'll take on any challenge with people I find out, you know. The situation that we're all in at the moment has been extraordinarily challenging but I think it's been a real test of leadership on many many many levels. And and the other thing I do is I love starting things. So I love you. I loved my tire and I I kind of recognize that really the first time I went to Poland in the early nineties. I loved I loved that whole idea of start-up so so long and it's why you know, if you know a big multinational giant came knocking at my daughter draws wounded like no that's not what I enjoy doing and I'm only going to do things I enjoy doing I also you know, one of the other great things about Fever Tree is is this culture of this this can-do culture and I think the challenge with big big business at times as you get into so much of big business ends up as being politics and politicking and people politicking endlessly and you know, a lot of the times your enemies dead. You'll be inside not on the outside of the company, whereas bizarre, you know and fever tree. That's just not the case. You know, we got a brilliant, you know Global Leadership team. We've got a home, you know, and I respect him into the founder again immensely, you know, the first few weeks of covet he came out and said we are not going to furlough anybody imagine the confidence that gave to his entire Workforce entire Workforce. Everybody just went well. I don't have to look over my back. I don't have to look over my shoulder any more money. You know, it's wonderful. That's wonderful. That's so good. And it kind of it meant that people and again particular Living in America where you know, people got followed instantly people off Healthcare benefits instantly, you know, when they got furloughed in many many many cases and Tim basically said, we're not following No, we're a great business with growth Brown. We're going to invest we're going to keep our people they get to work. We want to work they're going to be doing stuff but we're keeping our people and and you know the respect he's learned from from that simple action has elevated the way I and the way all the employees particular the American ones, you know, there is this employment-at-will thing elevated that to a completely different though. Well, I can't wait. Number one. I love seeing what you're doing now, and I can't wait to see what you do next because I'm sure there will be something so will you come back the next time you're doing you're starting something new and chat to me about that? Well, I it's going to be a lot more Fame favorite tree. That's for damn. Sure. Listen, I can't thank you enough for being on the show. It has been so amazing to get to know you and hear your journey and I can't wait to share it with with everyone out there. Well, thank you. I've Loved chatting to you big walk down memory lane. Yeah. It's been really enjoyable and and thank you so much for the opportunity to to talk. So really enjoyed it. You know, I couldn't leave Charles without asking for his top tips for the home bartender and where he could have a drink right now. Can you give me some tips for the home bartender wage? First it makes with the best somehow. I knew you were going to say that you know you go. I think the chips are down bartender is is is be prepared to experiment. You know, I've been experiment got like over it's been a fantastic opportunity to experiment at home, but you know things have been experimenting with you know, I I was I was enjoying a Paloma the other night and we were running out of grapefruit. So I threw some ginger beer in with the with the pink grapefruit and I made this at a spicy Paloma. That's now become my new go-to drink at home instead of Patron tequila with bitter sparkling pink grapefruit and then a bit of the light ginger beer is a delicious refreshing, you know, light drink either, you know, trying, you know, trying different. I mean gotta live it was my wife's birthday yesterday. So we had dinner last night and I had a Maker's Mark and the spiced orange juice. Well not was just delicious cuz orange and ginger just goes so well together and make us markets such a beautiful brand and amazing expression. But I think you know be prepared to take the risk is because we are we lack confidence and we're doing drinks at home is we don't experiment and I think you know experiment on yourself and your family, you know providing they're of course of legal drinking age so experiment at home and then and then, you know, try out your friends with them because genuinely, you know, how long the thing about what we do and what you know, this industry is all about it's about the times when we want to relax. It's about the times that we want to celebrate and the drink is such an important part of that's integral to the occasion, you know, whether you're just having a drink with your partner or whether you're you know, where the whole group of friends and that first drink of juice. Night is the most important drink that you have cuz it's the only one that you stop and you take a sip and you appreciate them. After that. Everything is consumption really odd. That first drink is just so meaningful to make it a good one and and and genuinely treat your treat your mixers the way you treat your spirits will be my other advice for the home by 10 a.m. And play around with garnishes cuz garnishes do make a big difference, you know in a drink and don't bloody use small ice cubes cuz they really do destroy they dilute long weekend and they make a horrible drink. I've got ones the size nearly sort of between a golf ball and a tennis ball, you know in terms of these big great big ice ball. I know I've got those two. I love them. I love them. Now if you could drink anywhere right now, where would that be? You know, I if I can drink anywhere right now, it would be in a pub in Edinburgh with my best friend and my dad and just just may just be somewhere. Lets you know should have at home but not in a house. I think we've all done and you know, we've all got a homing pigeon in us and as I told you to Thursday, we open I believe Scottish and you know, I would be in a bar in Edinburgh and I would be there with my best friend. My my my dad ideally my suggestion but he's a bit too young at the moment and we'd be off to watch Scotland play rugby and hopefully win and and that would be that would be a dream and that feels like a long long way away at the moment, you know, just in the world or in and and you know, the one thing about being and I'm sure you feel the same ex patriated sort of not in your home country is doing saying if something was to go You know wrong you are very long way from home at the moment. Whereas in the normal modern world. You're a six-hour plane flight and you're home. Now, you are you're not home you and we're all somewhat isolated and particularly those people who are sort of EX patriated not at home and that you know ways on us, I think at the time both myself and my wife whose parents obviously in Australia, which is even further away and more impossible to access rights. I see you Thursday at Pub in Edinboro. His answer proved you can take the Scott out of Scotland, but you can take Scotland out of the Scott to switch gears completely our cocktail of the week takes us wage right to Sunny, Mexico. Thank goodness. Grapefruit. Soda is starting to have its Heyday I start every day with a half of This Bitter citrus fruit full of potassium and vitamin C. Fever Tree now has its own sparkling pink grapefruit soda making it's so much easier to make our cocktail of the week the sparkling Paloma. 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Episode 32: Whittaker, Adesanya, Askren, Lobov, Moraes, Abdelaziz, many more

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Episode 32: Whittaker, Adesanya, Askren, Lobov, Moraes, Abdelaziz, many more

"Laze and gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday, February two thousand and nineteen HOGAN everyone marijuana. Welcome back to the program. Hope you had a lovely weekend. I had a great weekend. Thank you for asking. I was in California for the beginning portion of the weekend. I'll tell you about that perhaps later in the program. But of course, I enjoyed the UFC on ESPN plus this past Saturday from fourteen Eliza Brazil, what card it was. And yes, if you follow me on Twitter, you know, how excited I was about the fact that the car just flew by it was over by ten thirty PM eastern time. Remember when this whole thing started some of you were complaining about his plus then four ninety nine look don't tell me to say this. But I told you be patient. It's a new era the one AM n times they're over there done with it's going to be quicker. It's going to be like other sports when you watch baseball game. There's not an a lot of time. It's not just three hours in a Finnan goes one two. Two three. They'll just kill some time. That's not how it works. No. If it's a one-two-three inning you come back for the fourth right away. Don't kill time. And that's what we saw on Saturday it flew by it was fun. It was quick. We were done by ten thirty. We didn't know what to do with our time afterwards. Great performances. I agree with my former colleague m finding Chuck mendenhall AK, the man and the head that was pretty much as perfect of card that you have seen hope for big performances from veterans great main event. Young studs coming through had it all great crowd. So a very nice start to the air up to the PM plus era this weekend. Of course, it's you've to thirty four in Melbourne. The first pay per view card of the year rubber Whitaker versus one Kelvin Ghasem for the middleweight title and the people's main event because let me tell you it is the people's main event Israel out Asya gets Anderson Silva, and we're gonna talk about Saturday night and Fortaleza we're gonna talk about UFC two thirty four a lot has happened since we last spoke as I knocked down. My slurpee Cup, of course, Nevada Athletic Commission, hearing this past Tuesday the beer muggy made off Conor McGregor. John Jones stuff lock going on as always in the world of mixed martial arts. Let me run down today's lineup. And then we shall get to our first guest of the day because I am excited. My friends new era. Ten thirty. Did you notice ten thirty? It ended at ten thirty eastern time. At that point. We were just getting rolling on a six fight three our main card in the old era. Ten thirty. It was just amazing. It was so exciting. I was so happy watching it on my app. I mean, really no one's telling me to say this. But it's it's just it's just great. This is the norm get used to it new era. It is upon us. All right. Here's the lineup. Three forty five. The aforementioned Robert Whitaker will stop by reigning defending champion. He'll be on the program, and what a mention this guy is waking up at seven forty five. Am choosed a morning in Sydney he's off to Melbourne tomorrow to go headline UC to thirty four at the Rod Laver Arena. He'll be waking up early for us. Also, waking up early Israel to Sonya. He's already in Melbourne getting ready for that big. And look at that photo that our director j chose. I mean, you talk about foreshadowing there's Israel palooza back of them. Look at that. That's rubber Whitaker. Blurry. Robert whitaker. Are we foreshadowing something this J know, something that we don't know what's happening here? This is a tremendous photo. I don't know where this photo was taken. It looks like maybe the tough, Jim whatever the case may be. This is great stuff. So we've got Israel. We've got rubber Robert talking about UC to thirty four this weekend. Leon Edwards will stop by. He was part of that press conference in London this past week him and Darren till going toe to toe back and forth. They went, of course, he scheduled to fight gutter Nelson on March sixteenth inland and ESPN plus card. I'm looking forward to talking to rocky Edwards who's been trying to get a big fight little disappointed that he didn't get the main event. So I think he'll be fired up. The always controversial the always, polarizing Aaliyah Belaziz. At this point hard to argue against the fact that he is the most powerful manager in the sport he'll be stopping by at two forty five. There's a lot going on his world. He's got gasoline headlining this card in Melbourne on Saturday Marla rice with the big win this past Saturday against have sunshine. Another client of his he's got a lot going on. We'll talk to E to forty five one of his clients Islam Mafa Chevy. He's looking for a fight. He'll be joining us for the first time on this program to twenty five from Doug, STAN. So that's very exciting. We'll talk to two twenty five the goat. Artem Lobov is no longer you have fighter. He'll stop by to talk about why he was released where he goes from here. Looking forward to talking to him Ben aspirin stole the show at the two thirty five press conference on Thursday afternoon in Las Vegas him. Dana white him and Kamar Oestmann backstage in front of the crowd. All that and more getting ready for his debut. It's always fun talking to funky Ben aspirin. He'll stop by one. Forty five Aspen land will stop by at. One thirty five talk about why her fight against Holly home is not happening anymore on March second. So I'm looking forward to talking to Aspen lad, about where she goes from here. I knew she very frustrated and that news kind of just dropped at an nowhere recall. We had Holly home on the show last week. And it seemed like all since we're go will apparently not we shall see Marla mariah's will stop by at one twenty talk about his big win over half. L son sell the call out afterwards. His sickness. He said he had the runs in one of the more memorable. Post fight interviews in recent memory, and by the way, shout up to Michael bisbee who did a great job in his color commentary debut. But the story of Saturday, of course, was Marlin the former WF one thirty five pound champion avenging his loss in two thousand seventeen against one half L sunset out finishing him. Just the second man to finish the first being favor almost a decade ago and really cemented. His place atop the bantamweight rankings, and my opinion, he should. Should be next for a title shot. They need to figure out the situation with Henry and the flyweights as sad because it's becoming a mess. Someone needs to address this because all the speculation all the rumors all the innuendo all the. I mean, it's just coming headache at this point just tells what you're doing with the division. So we can all move on with their lives and understand who's fighting next for the built in the respect of classes. Okay. We need to figure this out ace app Marlin deserves. It Henry pseudo in my opinion, should stay at one twenty five. He's doing a phenomenal job of being the face of that division now of going out there and promoting do him versa. Joseph benefit AS Roma's for TJ dillashaw. And let's move on with our lives in a matter of moments. We're going to be joined by one of the big stories from this past weekend. Johnny Walker who had another great performance in the octagon his second UFC win officially, of course, a product of the Dana white contender series show. Here's some some factoid about Johnny Walker and what he did Saturday night in Fortaleza at fifteen seconds. His win was the fifth fastest knockout in UFC light heavy. Wait history. The fastest light knockouts. Anthony Johnson knocked over to and just thirteen seconds at you have see to two he is on a roll. He has sixteen career wins thirteen of which have come in be first round. And one more stat about one Johnny Walker here in these six knockout in UFC history by spinning back this schone Carter. John mckenzie. Paul Felder Douglas Silva, Dan drudge and Alexsandr rakish are the others to score a knockout via spinning back fist. There's a six man that you need to add to that list. His name is Johnny Walker, and he is a fan favourite a lot of people very excited about him. And let us now say Hello to him for the first time on this show. He joins us via the phone, Johnny. How are you my friend? But vance. Thank you, Huma friend. Okay. How are you? I'm doing great. Wow. Congratulations on another big win on. I don't know what I was more impressed with Johnny. You're you're dancing going into the cage your knockout in the cage or your dancing after the fight. It was all very impressive do feel like you're just on cloud nine at this point. It seems like everything is going well for you. You couldn't dream of a better start your UC another bonus. This must be one of the most exciting moments of your life. Just how things have started. Yeah. So excited from him. So happen prods by myself. And all and then I can wait to fight again. Soom anything to show everybody. This is no journal genetic have much much more than this. We're looking at your Finnish right now is amazing the spinning back fist. And then the punches afterwards. Fifteen seconds were you was that part of the game plan to start like that. Or is that just something that came to as the flight was starting? Oh, man. This is the five this is happening liking, not true. And and I only follow him for the lead to happen them. My hands talk to me than my talked for me. Okay. But what about the kick those very worried about the kick, Johnny? Because it seemed like it may have connected when I watched it initially real time. But then when we saw the the replay it looked like you missed him ever so slightly. What were you thinking when you through that kick? Because as you know, if you would have landed the kick when he was on the ground, you'd have been disqualified. Yeah. Men men, I'm professional. I have a good and angle angle cameras big me into wrong place. The angle I only want to kick it. He's bad. No. He's had. No, I cannot do this. I wanna kick it he's badly. But the under that camera angle Ricard's like wrong place than all. But I wanna kick it. He's bad his face. Okay. How close was it to? His face from your perspective. They're far more close. Okay. All right. And then the worm afterwards is that something you practice. Are you are you a break dancer? Do you have another life that we need to know about? No. This is not true. This is because I have so many inner ditches span because I'm ready for five Hauge more than I have to say my energy. 'cause if it don't be extreme stress myself wanna spend my inner to what was it like for you, Johnny to be back in Brazil, because I know you said in the past that you felt like you needed to go. Elsewhere you needed to go to Europe in order to make the proper money to fight to train and in the past represented other countries on your Reebok uniform because you felt like you weren't getting the attention and the funds that you deserve in Brazil to be back in Brazil as a UFC fighter and to see the love that they gave you how did that make you feel? Yeah. Combat from Brazil is see my family my friends. And now everybody starts to know me. But I have two men to show. General have too many minimum friend more. This is only the beginning. For me. This is spots to to my dream. I have to grow my dream. Now. Is there a part of you that things where were you to the Brazilian people? Where were you when I was trying to come up when I was trying to make it to see, of course, you know, you're on the bandwagon now, but I needed you a couple years ago. Is there any part of you that feels that way? Yeah. A little bit little bit. And so will you now train in Brazil from from here on out now that you have a little more money or are you going to still train? I know you're trained in Thailand for this fight you've trained in Europe as well. Are you still going to train outside of Brazil for your fights? Yes. Yes. I'll come back to pilot and chew weeks think because I have one Jim now they're in Chalon kits than those starts my comforting I invited. Everybody wanna finish me only. Go to Thailand, my jeans open for everybody to me. Can you? Tell me the story about why you left Brazil from what I understand. There was a man who lived in Scotland who said that he was going to pay you to train there. But then all of a sudden month later, he said that he didn't have any more money than you went to train with someone else. And that guy got arrested. It was very strange start your run there. Could you tell us what happened exactly? Yeah. I'm a from is a big big star. Because I last Berge you to go to June Scotland to train and because one guy make on the board for me, proposer them on this just leap, everything James, Jane. But after all they don't give me nothing and like they'll make the nose to is wards. Oh, no. No kept his right to choose to make more money by my friends than on. Dr saws wages so five so hard to know the beginning of the car here, the fight the so hard, and I I never quit. I always keep going training with toward sometimes those morning. But I mean, he and all to know and now can do everything. Now, you feel a little more comfortable, right? Yeah. Of course, you if she gives me the opportunity, then I I have put them to now. Now, I can do for now. Now. Now, we do everything will be shopping. Early on in your career when you were trying to make money when you were trying to find a place to fight you said like you were starving at times, you were looking for a home. Did you ever think I don't know how much longer I can do this without making money? I might have to quit and go get a real job. Never never bigger. I've always believed. They get this opportunity. Usually. Yeah. Of course, I believe you by myself. And all I believe God, the believe myself and follow me general UFC my study guide. Yes. Okay. More. Also, I'll have no sponsor yet. You don't have a single sponsor even after these two fights in the low Biden, I think people don't believe me yet. I have to be more guys than more impressive guys. Because people don't suppose yet. I feel like there's a natural sponsor it has to be Johnnie Walker. The actual, you know, the liquor company. Right. Isn't it? Have you people talk to them? People always ask about this on. But only my name 'cause my my bed calls out that my mum call alma. Then. Join them all 'cause they don't go Jay. And in w but it's nothing we've we. My understanding is that you're your real first name is Walker and your last name is Johnny is that accurate, and you and you switch the two. Walker johnny? So when did you switch at the Johnnie Walker? Because I like joining like people call me join. Yeah. Did you know about when you switch it did, you know about the liquor company? No, I I know that that was pumping. I changed because the no 'cause this 'cause I like, John maybe I can get some sponsored by by them. Yes. We need to figure that out a sap used to work as an engineer. Correct. Or you at least we're went to school to be an engineer did you ever actually work as an engineer now? I don't look I only starts like six malls to engineer can Kalenjin you came as chemistry engineer. Spoke to only to train all I wanna be g near one a half time. Maybe a comeback to stood. But now don't have time just to don't if you wanna be shop, I have trained hard. And all right. What kind of engineer? Wow. That's incredible. So when your your career, I'm just over who'd or threaten your very smart guy. Yeah. I try I try my best. Yes. I'm not a smart guy. I don't think I could ever pull that off. So that's incredible. And not only are you great fighter. You're smart guy, your book smart as well. So you said that you need to get the attention you need to get the big fights, you need to get pushed who makes sense for you next. You have any idea. Man. I'm no Roach than all I'm finished seeks his old. Zo anybody anywhere anytime. I'm red. With people know the light heavyweight division, as you know. It needs some new names in need some fresh faces do feel like they're gonna shoot Walker. Yes. And you're ready for the top five guys. You think are you on a fight or two before you are fighting those kind of fighters. Man. I'm Radzi for anyone anywhere anytime do. Yes. Only only only only call me. I remember how soon do you want to return? Today. It's somebody wanna five ever should they. So if the US says, we need someone in Melbourne this weekend, you would take that fight. Only five six. And I'll be there. Wow. And how how has your life changed? You got to performance bonuses on top of your purse. How how have you have you ever had this much money in your Bank? Never from that. Don't know what I'd do so much money. I have this money before what are you going to do? You have any plans for it? We'll help my family. My family's never have like good ones. And they don't have to finish my mom house and help them basam views and helped my famine on this make me happy. When you started your your UFC, excuse me, when you're m may career when you start it or even your UFC career how much money did you have to your name? Before. Yeah. Zero. Sometimes I for three you fought for free in your life. Sorry, you fought for free professionally. Yes. Sometimes yet only only 'cause I wanna make my no after some guys, I know to go to Evans, I have two men guys. Then sometimes I find it because big a Vinci, then I go that I find sometimes how recently like when was the last time you fought for free. Last time. Yeah. Sit alone them. And they got the only the travel the, no, wow. I mean along the. That's like a couple years ago. Yeah. Bless your last year. You're fighting for free. Yeah. Did they tell you that they were gonna pay you? And then they lie to you. Or you knew that you're you're not going to get paid anything. To me. Okay. Wow. That is unbelievable. Well, those days are over my friend. Yeah. For the title. You got no money. Yeah. Well, now, you're doing well everyone's talking. Make me happy. Right. Right. And what what makes you upset, Johnny? 'cause you're always smiling when you're walking to the cage you're smiling after the fight you're smiling. Does anything bother you know, I'm happy. I bought a happy, I'm happy. Anyway. I don't want it to be happy. All right because I love born for this issue happy when they then I'm happy you be Henry the Silva and the contender series in August. And you come back and be Khalil Roundtree and your debut. I think opening everyone's eyes and just a minute and fifty seven seconds was back in November. And then just this past weekend. Fifteen seconds. Unbelievable. Spinning back fist the punches on the ground. Thank God that that kicked in a land. You say it wasn't close. I'm happy to hear that Johnny. Congratulations on how your career has started in the U of C. This has been a lot of fun to watch. You are you are definitely a player at two five and everyone is on notice. And I want you to keep smiling. Keep dancing keep doing your thing. Because it's been a lot of fun watching you this far great. To meet you as well. Congratulations. And we'll talk to very soon think appreciate that havoc with the day or night there. But you God bless you as well. It is day over here. And we are all talking and thinking about Johnny Walker one of the big stars from this past weekend in Fortaleza, Brazil, what a performance again, fifteen seconds. He debuts in August on the contender series show and his last two fights have gone, a combined two minutes, and what twelve seconds the big win over cluele Rowntree the knockout and the first round back in Argentina. And then the win over just on the debt this past weekend. What a performance unbelievable. He says that it wasn't close. It looks close to me. It looked like it initially actually when I saw it in real time. I thought it actually hit and that would have been devastating. But then they show the replay. It didn't look like it was quite all there. Then look like a connected. He says that he was actually aiming for the chest. God didn't really seem like he needed to even throw that. But. He says he wasn't aiming for the head. So I'm happy to hear that he is still to know. And now I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with him next because they've got options for this guy and Lord knows two hundred and five pounds needs. It Lord knows they need it. They need some fresh faces. No doubt about that. Johnnie Walker is one of those guys way better than Walker Johnny Johnny Walker wherever you're you're at not the fighter, but the company the liquor company signed this man, give him a sponsorship deal. He's doing great things in the octagon with a big smile on his face. This kind of guy that you need, you know, it'd be smart if proper twelve up behind him to stick it. I don't know if that's in the same ballpark as far as actual liquor goes. But it would be a nice little turn of events. Okay. Let's move along. Of course, biggest story of Saturday Marla mariah's, what a performance in the main event against fell, son. So he submits a sense of Yogi teen choke into three minutes and seventeen seconds. He avenged his loss to a sell the super close split the. Vision laws back in two thousand seventeen and he has now cemented his place the top the rankings. He should be fighting for a title next. He needs to be for a title next is the number one contender at one hundred thirty five pounds. And now he's joining us via the magic escape their years. Magic Marla mariah's, Marlin how are you? I made the way that comb everything good. I'm safe, and I'm happy with with the Victor what congratulations on the victory. What a performance to you. I have to ask you, first and foremost, how are you feeling Marlin because in the post fight interview, you told us about a very tough week that you had you had the runs which is the worst thing in the world. How are you feeling now? Away that I never had anything in the fight week before. And I never thought about a lot of the fight any fight. And I start thinking a lot on my room Ling star fighter was eleven well in never pull out a by an imagine. I I have diarrhea people going to say there, you know, him pull out of five with that. You know, you've any idea how that happened why you were sick or what happened to and think is something with for Brazil? I heard a lot of a lot of people from the U of C grew. They got it two of my coach guarded some of the fighters. Got it. My my phone. My brain Ford, Sade normal medoff opponent daughter. I think it's like a virus and grazie hours very weak. And when when when I got it I spend almost all day night. I couldn't sleep at all. And I woke up Wednesday, and I have to you have the Dacian and was very hard. But those today. Out meow out of date night going there, you know, and leave everything that had come Saturday. You're in the locker room, you're preparing are you still feeling sick? Or at that point. Did you feel like it was behind, you know? No, I was fine. Like, some some medicine, and and help me, you know, with my stomach because may head to I wasn't wasn't stopping at all how close were you to pulling out? Man. I thought about. I don't want to allow so got co somebody. I gotta cross about it. That's not going tell me to pull out, and I said, man. Would Nabet will out of fi. And I thought about and then I know somebody I called sprint yet. He was seventy and and he will uplink, man. What's going on? You know, happened now everything. Okay. As knocked gay men. I was all night on the backbone. I don't know what to do out to get better. And he liked men. Don't word only Wednesday, you're gonna find the FICO villainous bad. Gonna get better door. Nice to have one of the toughest people ever in the sport. And I just I just forgot about. And I just thought about get better in mentally. I thought about man when we rear, cutting weight, we're gang ourself. They're hydrated though. I'm they're hydrating. And just the scent. I'm gonna be better. I'm gonna be back. I'm gonna be able to buy you don't usually seem to need need help cutting weight to this. This really help you did you feel like it was actually happening faster as a result of how you were feeling. The problem is our spilling very weak. So I was drinking coconut water. I was ringing some Louis. Oh, my weight wasn't going down. I couldn't let this happen. I need to manage. And I think the gut was just stem. But I just felt felt we could you know, and even Wednesday. I went in the locker. On the elevator. I was going to do the you can see man if you want the m made jonky and the interviews that was on Wednesday. That wasn't myself. I wasn't them very very very sick. And I did all the nations. And I went inside the elevator. And who comes in rough hours down, father and broaden? And they look they look at me. And they like men you. All right. And I look at them. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. I'm fine. How fun, you know? How other fine at all. Did you feel like you needed to end the fight quickly? Because of how you're feeling no man when I walk into that I already man, I'll sparring everyday just get rounds. With Sabih Kim were volley Sii mod. These guys are like these, you know, they get ready for anything and brain camp or very good. So I was training hard and putting myself in a worst case. Scenario so bad day being a little sick. Being a little waker was just another day on off. We've talked to the past about how how is the grinder and it's hard to look good against him. You look very good against them. Did you feel? I can't let this fight go to the judges. I can't let the same thing that happened. Last time happened to me like I need to put an exclamation point in separate myself from this guy you did that on Saturday. But was that part of your mindset going into the fight? My mindset was the me, you know, what I was doing rainy, and I'll like to say man marketplace point on this by him e read a lot about roughly out game about what was done to. And how play out the last five hours this week eighty hours called me? And you saw a lot of things on our last Friday. We have guys studying him. And we we mix it up report all together. And we went in dead, and we did it. It's not just me, man. All this guy. So it's one thing for people like me to say, you're the number one contender you should be fighting for the belt necks. But I don't know how you feel. I am frustrated that no one comes out and says this is the number one contender fight Marlins fighting for the belt. We don't know what's going on at one twenty five. We don't know what's going on at one thirty five. What is going on? Has anyone told you now two days later? Are you fighting for the belt mex-, man? If you ask me, I feel like I'm the one thirty five founded champ on the best one thirty five pound in the world. They guy the champion. He went down. He just lost in the thirty second match up against when five so I feel like I'm the camp of whatever they wanna do is. They wanna bring him. I'm on a very welcome him on and saddled his, you know, but right now, I have no thal about any fire. Anything only boxers going for the belt that sit at that notes off, you know, if not about the no. We're gonna move Baldwin's. You want him down because I'm in this sport to be a champion and find calms and finds now in that Sigmund? That's not the that's not not being discussed. I'm gonna fight for the vital want exit. You said afterwards that you want a new contract. How many fights do you have left on this current contract? Now, I had fight left. I wanna new one. But I wanna fight from the bell. I'm only taking the new one. It's about aligning non-aligned. I'm not thinking. So just to be clear, you said you have one flight left. Yes. Wow. So if they don't give you a title shot next with a new contract, you're saying you're gonna find out your contract. Man. I just I just wanna do what a work work and what I earned. I don't I'm not asking for anything iron. I with down three guys three five guys. I did what people never done before finished regarding the first round and stake money. Do more no are have to do more to blow. Howard. I am. I'm living my dream. I I got I did a lot of sacrifice now spine forget what I learned. You know? That's the yes. Yes. I like it, Marlin that's great. And I love what you said in the cage afterwards sort of along the same lines of what you said on this show a couple of weeks ago saying that you were embarrassed by TJ dillashaw the post fight interview from you. We don't usually see that kind of heat from you in the cage as far as what you said to teach when Michael told you give him a message. I like it. I like this fired up Marla. Moore is. Yeah. Like, I said, less fine. You know? Get this the back again in the no. And I I don't wanna use from Trump. We gotta make America greater, man. You know? Is it a little awkward, Marlin if you can be honest about it your management represents Henry Suharto, and you and he's trying to fight for the one thirty five title. Now. How are we going to figure this out? I don't care who manages him. If he steps on a thirty five division. He's gonna go down. Just like any other thirty five. Do you have any idea what they're going to push for because just last week? It seemed like they were pushing for Henry to fight for the one thirty five belt. Man, I help it him. I just finished guys in the world if they want to promote and sell the fight they know who they got with the. Do do you know when TJ's ready have they given you any insight? I don't know. I'm ready at work you so much for this long time, and it's not it's not the I don't wanna discuss anything that said that's the title shot. And I wanna get what's mine, and I wanna fix all the situation, you know, when you compare the last reflects that you've had incredible performances. I mean this rivals what you're doing WF. And I would argue it's even better, given you know, how tough these opponents are. And then you compare it to your first fight in the is it fair to say that maybe the first fight you Chuck that performance up to your octagon jitters because the Marlin that we've seen the last refi. It's very different than the guy who debuted against how on sale. Man. I don't like to make us, you know. I think I just had a bed by no excuse. But the guy in that gage was made in all wasn't anybody else? I wasn't there. We just took that fight with that loss will orbit har-. We asked for the regard by getting better f- working the guys believe me. And I'm here, I'm here. I am fight win streak. Refinished in a my way, forget the developed. What was it like being back in Brazil for the first time since that fight now on this winning streak? Did you feel more love? Did you feel like the fans there were treating you like a star? Little bit. You know, I love Brazil. But it's it's hard to go fight there. You know? And I I like to fight in America to have all the coaches of the body was good to go there. But he was finding home whole hours by hours from okay? That on my down. But I had couple purple people going up of France or family members in west good, you know, which of the and give them and so you come right back home and your dad again, right? No, one at home, cares that you just beat huff else on south fee. Submission in the first round your two kids just want dad back, right? Yeah. Have out how might have by now once Asia he was by me all day and Ryan through in I'm here. Now, I'm the debt did your old. How old is your oldest son again halfway house for four? Does he understand what you do? Yeah. He does. He does it did not watch. But he knows he watch a little bit after and he wants to single like me his been wrestling ready. And he wants to fight me out. I wanna punch on. You're not. Rush. Dyer flow of our home. I that the spot if great. So you don't let them watch it live. But if all goes, well, you'll let them watch it after the fact just be I don't want him keep this on his hand. Then right. Just I just let him watch a little bit. Well, I'm sure he's very proud of you. I'm sure your family's very proud of you. I hope you get that title shot. I hope that they do versus TJ. Hope they do pseudo versus Benedetti's they keep the flyweight division enough of all this drama. Let's let's keep all the way classes and let the rightful contenders. Fight for the belt. You certainly deserve it at one hundred thirty five pounds. What a performance once again from you, Marlin it's been a pleasure watching you do your thing now in WF and coming over to the it's an incredible run that you're on congratulations. Enjoy your time with your family and thanks as always for coming on the show. Thank you, so much, man laggers mind. And I wanna thank you, all my coaches. You know, Mark the Cardo Ryan Frankie went they all win there for me, my partners and zebbie humour volley have all these guys being helping Nick thrown. I'm very thankful. I'm very blessed to have this all my life. And let's go guys. Let's get the bell. And now we're going to be camping talk to soon. Marlin. Thank you. Magic Marlin with another. Impressive win his fourth and row split decision. Win over John Dodson, then he followed that up with the vicious knockout and just sixty seven seconds against James Stirling in December of two thousand seventeen follow that up with the thirty three second knockout of Jimmy Rivera back in June of last year, and then Saturday night in Brazil, he defeats half our sons out in three minutes and seventeen seconds. I have all sons out that is so tough to beat so tough to finish. You know, this is a guy who just makes opponents look tough, and you feel for how sense because it's almost like an believe again, I believe it was Chuck Minho who said this on Twitter on Saturday. He's good enough to warrant getting a title shot off of victory off of him. But because was personality because of his style not good enough quote unquote to get a title shot hard to market him in that spot. His record would certainly warrant a title shine, especially had he defeated Marlin rice. Again, you feel for him that he had to do it all over again. But this is the scenario that I think the you have C wanted because of how Marlin fights. Because of how entertaining is this is a very special fighter who is doing special things at in a World Series of fighting comes over to the stumbles ever so slightly against how sense, but since then it has been on a roll. And I just don't understand why the you have C doesn't come out and say this is the number one contender. Can you imagine him versus TJ dillashaw how great of a fight? That would be look I understand why they wanted to do this a Hutu dillashaw fight. It was fun. It was champion versus champion. It was the first ESPN plus card. I get all that. I really do. It made it feel big it made feel historic it made it feel special. It was great for January nineteenth in Brooklyn. That's the main event that was perfect for the first ESPN plus card. No argument. But now, let's move on. So who wants to stay at one twenty five Dilshad has chance it didn't work out. Let them defend that title at one thirty five the number one contender a guy who I think now has won seventeen of eighteen. And let's see benefit as verses pseudo to the first fight was amazing. I wanna see five rounds to that. Only one three. It was a close fight. Let's just move on. It doesn't seem like it as I said last week on the program. It seems like they are slowly phasing out the flyweights even so who told the media in Brazil this past weekend that he's afraid that it seems like his his work is for not his campaigning is for not they're getting if you lose your pretty much done if you're on a winning streak, we'll give you the option of going to thirty five or let you kind of fight it out until you lose. I don't get it. I truly don't get it. So Huda feels like a star. He's fun. He's charismatic. His fights are fun. These days. I don't understand the insistence. It does not seem like it's worth it. You you finally have a guy that you feel like you can get behind that you feel like you can sell you feel like you can market Olympic gold medalist trilingual, we've gone through the credentials time. And again, keep that division have Marlin TJ. That's a phenomenal main event. Let's go and Marlin needs to get some pub as well. I know he's not the most brash guy out there. But he does feel like the best fight of the no one knows about in the for whatever reason part of that's on them part of that's on him. I understand that. But what a performance Saturday night for Marla. Moore is meadow moments. We're going to be joined by one thirty five Pounder in the female division. Aspen. Lad, I think that we're trying to connect with her. If we can't get our on Skype. All right. Atalaya gonna join us in a matter of seconds. Of course, I have to mention a Aldo before Aspen comes on the program. What a performance from him. He turns back the clock. Again, vintage Aldo two straight finishes reminds us of the Aldo from WC when he fighting the likes of Cup Swanson and Mike Brown a finisher a vicious finisher just going out there and looking to end the fight early. That's the although we love, and I am so happy about the fact that Josie Aldo is not going to be defined by that thirteen second loss to kinda McGregor. He lost Farren square and Connor should wear that feather in his cap all day long. But I was afraid that if he never rebounded from that. He would forever be defined by that loss. He would be the guy who lost to Connor and thirteen seconds and everything that he did up until that point. And even a little bit afterwards would always be overshadowed by that loss. Now, it feels like there's enough separation that has last two fights particular. I've just been so great so dominant Jeremy Stevens and then this past weekend against boycott. It feels like we are now fully over that law. Yes. In the sense that it won't be line number one because it shouldn't be line number one. You should never be defined by one night. I don't care how dramatic or how how bad of a loss of was should never be defined by one night. And I'm happy that it feels like finally he is not going to be defined by that one night. And that he is able to move on that he's able to be happy. Enjoy his career and really start to go on this final run. Whether it's four belt. Whether it's for one fifty I don't care just have big fights habit performances be celebrated by people good for us, a Aldo very happy to see him back in the winter circle. Okay. Let's move along last week. We had Holly home on the program. And then it seemed like always good with UFC thirty thirty-five. She's going to find on the same card as her teammates. John Jones and Diego Sanchez, and she was excited to be back. And she was excited to fight Aspen Ladd. And then all of a sudden at the press conference on Thursday, Dana white casually says that the fight is off with not a lot of information added to that statement. Let's talk to Aspen lad, now and see what's going on. With her. She joins us via the magic of Skype there. She is Aspen. How are you? Pretty considering. Well, okay. So it's a few days later it happened on Thursday. It's now Monday, how do you feel about this this change of plans? Pointed. But I'm getting over it at this point not over a void that doesn't matter to not that I can do about it. So and trying to move on. Have you been told by the U of C or has your management told by the sea why they made this witch? I had absolutely no idea. I mean, obviously the new out. Now, the Amanda on the variety than I could assume that's why. But I had no idea management had no idea. I don't know probably had Nigeria. It was something. I was training. Got advocates that five hundred minutes calls life out at the same way. Everybody else conference. From the media, you found out from other people taxing you give you a heads up before now, and no idea until that moment and did your management talk to you afterwards. And try to get an official reason from them as to why they did this. But that's not really moving talk about right now. Okay for and it seems like they are trying to do this Holly home versus ending set-aside. Although I'm told it's far from official, and it may not even happen. But if that is the direction they take Hollywood from you to put on a title fight. Are you noy that you're not getting that? Like why why pick Hawley not you? You've never fought for a belt before. Now that doesn't bother an eight all this after my last night. I'm young in the sport. I don't I'm not chasing about right now. I never out I've roll Neo. See I've only had a couple of women find everybody the more the better. So I'm in a different position in my career in my life than she is. I don't know what Holly wants to do. Maybe she just wants come more five months for the belt and get out. Who knows I got so much time on my hand. Like, all right. We'll fight whoever they offer up. So why not keep you on the card against someone else? Is that an option? It doesn't here to be right now works nightly you wanna remain on that card. That's kind of like the guy on the McGregor card. You really can't do better than a Don Jones or McGregor. So everybody wants to be on that hard. But if it's not gonna work out by live on it. Why? And I guess most lawn. Kunitz Kaya say that she was willing to fight you. I know that she's busy. But it doesn't seem like there's often a lot of people who are campaigning to fight. You. What did you make of what she said? Backpay nicer, but she's by my team here coming up marrying Renault, and I'll be watching that fight. So I think she has a to worry about me right now. But did you notice that as well? It doesn't even with this news coming out. I don't see a lot of people campaigning and saying, hey, I'm available volunteering to step in there. Unless I missed them. Did you see any people do that? Unfortunately, no there was before this last night but afterwards, not so much. And we've had a few offers bite offers than they didn't pan out. We always accept, but the other person hasn't would you say fight offers say you mean for this particular car to to replace Holly. No before Holly there do people for that. Both extremely high rates and neither one. Let's maims who are they key early though. I can't do that one on what's the put them on blast? I am not going to spare the plot. In that way. I'm just saying there had been other opportunities. And we're never the one running down by it. I would imagine given Holly stature her name former champion. This was a really big deal to you. Right. This felt like a major step up. Great. I mean, I want the best three is right ruin Holly. She is an amazing fighter sport forever than a champion. Number two. I was extremely excited about by two unique challenge. And that was very appointing losing that the opportunity show in worker Sunday that have been important that Wong, and it's been that sensible. Was so unique about the challenge. She presented. Terry her stand up striking her experience level, and it took a very special. It's gonna training in Mike preparation ready for this fight. This specialized approach it, and we are working very hard in very excited myself theme, you really implement we will work on. And then that all kind of went vitals thirds, they're so will you bring in new people to try to mimic her style. We did have people indicating her style, but not bringing in so much as I was lucky at my camp. You have people that are already fight in that way and our South LA. So I was just more or less studying her tendencies and really trying to capitalize of what she's gonna be naturally. But yeah. Would you have felt better about all of this? If you at least we're given the heads up before the rest of the world. I think that would have been the best approach. The Taiwan handle it. Hey, you're not gonna fight. But as anything else, there's really nothing I can do about it. I was shot. But now, they got pieces and see what's next. I think that they're mistaking your kindness for a weakness, they feel they could just take this away from you. Because you know, you don't seem like the typical fighter. You don't seem like you're getting mad or lash back. But they've got a big problem on their hands because asking lattice pissed. Thirty happy about it. As like he'd saying nothing I can do. So it really doesn't doesn't serve me to get angry to get hits shit. Whatever it doesn't there's nothing to help me. So I should always managing on it. Initially as I think the the camera flipped on us here because you're now sideways. I don't know if something happened there something happened. Let's see did a work. No. It's still sideways. But also ask the question you tweeted to Holly saying, hey, you know, there it is now it's gone. Anyhow, you tweeted Holly saying like the fight you now. It's back. Keep it. Whatever you're doing there. Yeah. That's perfect. I signed to fight you. And now the fight has gone don't back out. But now can you still hear me Aspen or you can hear me? Okay. It's okay. It's okay. So we'll talk to you. Because the video seems to be frozen. You seem to be upset at Hollywood. Now that you know, more about this situation. Do you hold any? It doesn't seem like she's the one backing out. She found out like you did she's kind of waiting to see what's next. Do you feel that this is on her or more on the? See I think this probably more at the decision now that I know little bit more. I think you're right. I think you're right about that. I don't think I think she was actually equality as disappointed, even if there might be a title shot waiting in the wings. I think she was upset that she get the heads up by there. It seems that wedding. But it's kinda she didn't know, I didn't know you're gonna soom the other person did it like all right management. You make decisions whatever. Right. This moment. You don't know. What's next? You don't know if you're on the card, you don't know if you're fighting someone else, you don't know anything. I think it safe us him. I will not be on that card. Unfortunately. Okay. And there's there's a couple of fights. And we're gonna see either one of them pans out. All right. We'll keep his posted. I'm sorry. That this went down this way. I think a lot of people are looking forward to that fight big opportunity for you. Great fight for Holly as well. Kind of a bummer. I'm sorry. Went down this way. I'm sorry. You didn't find out beforehand? But I appreciate you coming on and talking about it Aspen. Man. I appreciate me here. All right there. She is asking lad stopping by. So unfortunate, you'll see two thirty five is a great card a slight blow to it. We'll see what happens last. I heard. There was talk and the newness talked about this over the weekend was talk of doing amend, the newness versus Holly home in Cody Chiba may eleventh, which is in Brazil, by the way, that's the card that Rosamund Unisys fighting just drudge on. But as right now, that's not a done deal or close to done-deal her. There was also some talk of perhaps germane to randomly stepping in there. So we'll see how that situation pans out. Wouldn't it be something if the fight doesn't materialize, and they pulled this fight for nothing? Confusing. Always confusing. Let's see how it plays out that was a fun one and a good opportunity for someone like Aspen to be on the same card as she said, John Jones and Tyron Woodley and Robbie Lawler and Ben aspirin who finally made his official UFC press conference debut on Thursday in Las Vegas, stealing the show both before the press conference during the press conference after the press conference always great time talking to funky and he joins us via the magic Skype, and this guy, I gotta tell you the ultimate professional look at this setup. Ben, what do you what do you tape in that in that little room over there? Well, I actually this room is going to go to my house eventually maybe week or two and it's done right now, this is like a little vestibule in my wrestler academy actually taper Rudas we do arrest in pockets. I actually just knocked out to because I'm really busy this week aerial. So we just did our episodes for this week. Which man, I love talk. To you. And I love talking about fighting. But I do talking about wrestling even more while. Okay. And where can people get these podcasts? We're on I tunes, and then the Rudas website. So, yeah, if they're wrestling people, they they know where to find us. Okay. Fair enough. So last Thursday was fun. That was your first official UFC press conference, correct. Yeah. I mean, damn you know, that was so much fun. They should consider like throwing one of those every week for me. I know you killed him. I man no, no press conference jitters, if you will let's start with before the press conference little bit of a running there between Marty put this video out. I made this video makes him we'll get dump them. And he was his campers put it out. He is like bragging about this. And listen, this is like what I can't stand about fighters. Think about this. Listen, we get your tough, you fighting a cage I understand that perfectly. But I mean, he has to come up to you know, nothing's going to happen back. There Marty why you get in my face. You know, you're not going to risk your main event shot by punching me in the back hallway. Gimme a freaking Brady. I mean, I just I couldn't fathom why he's trying to act so tough. And exactly what he was trying to do our get us situation. 'cause if it was intimidation that's freaking laughable. What did you see? Because because we only saw it really from like your perspective. I couldn't see him. So it was more like from his back in his eyes. Like did a feel like he was about to attack you or what what was happening. He wasn't. He wasn't a do nothing. Because listen, that's who he is. He wants to ABC like he wants like, he's just crazy and Saint tough guy. But I knew from before I knew from before he's not like, he's smart. He's reasonable and for whatever it, and this is the persona that he wants to play that. He's tough crazy guy who will fight when anytime. It's just silly. It's ridiculous. No, no point. Was he ever threatening me? I mean, I didn't budge right. I sat there because it's like what are you going to do like I offered to fight you like you saying bring the same energy. I I don't even know what that shenanigans means. It's like an offer to fight you. I don't know how you want to settle this. I thought that was a fair way to settle it. So yeah, I thought it was all around ridiculous on his does it feel like you're under his skin with the mardi from Nebraska stall. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like how are you going to let someone who's not even fight on ninety nine of the fight you, right? You're fighting tyrant. I I am under your skin so bad. That I say one thing I said, I didn't ex- the mardi. And he got pissed and then he'll find thing is like he's not even like Marty's, not my name. Don't call me Marty. You know, it's not like you. Remember when Mohammed Ali changes name from cash Clayton Muhammed Ali. And there was a few boxers who refused to call them. Mohammed Ali, the call them, cashes clay. So he would say what's my name beat him up? As like, you said, Ben my name is not Marty. My name is calm. Ru do not call me Marty. He's not even saying that. Right. So what's he really? He's denying them names. I didn't even know what he's mad about. What what is this man mad about? I don't know yet. I'm so far under his skin. So far this headed in funny. Now, it seemed like before he got there you were in the same vicinity almost face to face as one Dana white. Does have actually talked to shake hands. Tell us awkward small talk. What was the first thing? How did you break the ice? I really I don't remember probably Haywood sell. I I don't recall, exactly. I don't know. Exactly. We call right now. Okay. Was that the first time you you spoke face to face since that meeting a couple years ago when you are free agent. Remember, I said that we spoke for a quick minute backstage in New York L cash. Oh, very quickly. And this this in Cryer, this encounter was also pretty brief. I did talk to after the press conference for a minute also. But. Yeah. Nothing at length there between me and him what he say after I'm actually more curious about that. After your performance at the press conference to give you profit. He wanted to make sure that he that. I don't think he doesn't like me. And you know, it's a relevant relevant aerial like I don't care if you've asked me up with the toughest guys. Like, that's what I came for came to compete. Give me the toughest guys. You got. I'm good to go. And so, you know, I don't know we're never gonna be best friends. And you know, I'm not going to hold them eight against him. But if he doesn't like me to like me, that's fine. I don't really care, right? As part. There's some people in life. We're not gonna see with not gonna like and the notion that we all have to all get along. That's a pretty silly notion. So let me get straight. Dana was concerned that you thought he didn't like you. So he wanted to clear the year to let you know that. In fact, he does like us this an actual thing that happened said he's at Ben I I do not dislike there's nothing here. Fine. There's not there's nothing there. I'm good. I'm good to go, by the way for business. Isn't it better? If he keeps up the short, I thought earth thing I said I said, but wouldn't this be a lot more fun? If we just pretend like we didn't like each. Yes. What do you say that? I think he said, no, no. I don't think he wants to play that game. On that angle. Come on. Unbelievable. Let's go show them. How ratings Vincent stone cold dead. Yes. This is like the second coming. It's unbelievable for me, Ben because you walked away. And let's be I remember talking to you the Monday after you walked away after the Shinya Aoki fight. And it was kind of it was just like there was a Facebook post and everyone was like all right. That's it. And now you've turned into like the hottest thing. Everyone can't get enough of you. You're stealing all the shine of the how did this happen? How did this turn around? You were contentious being and now look at you life has Zahran life. Life's bizarre. I have no idea. Hey, you know, there was one good line. That Marty had also so dumb. And you know, what I photograph evidence because something dumb like oh each will. I call me young, man. And I'm like orders, this is when he comes at me like I said Ma. Marty next mardi would a skinny jeans still come on. You can't tough when you're white skinny jeans and a scarf bra out of here. We can just pause there before you finish that story. Your outfit was just phenomenal. You got the soup pants the shirt and the flip flops what's going on there? They told me I wanted to wear jeans t-shirt, they told me it's my first go round right told me jeans t-shirt, so I grabbed like what I was wearing at my most recent wedding that I had to be in and I think data's Vega part of my clothes right now. And. No, that's how Jesus teacher way more like that. But I love in flip flops. That's where I'm gonna do. So anyways, let's get back to March. One guy called me young, man. I'm four years older them. He says it's your first time being stage. Maybe get everyone's autograph that was kind of funny funny. It would've been even semi chew. But here's the thing about it is John Jones is younger than me, Cody Garbrandt younger than me Marty's men is younger than me. And I was the star the wrestling world when all these guys were young pups. And if you remember there was that one really famous funky shirt, I put out it was very con-. It my friend Marcus Hain made it it just said it said funky had my afro on there looking as magnificent as it could. And I know Marty to me I found a picture of me and him. He's wearing a funky shirt. When afro wig, I'm gonna put it on Instagram. I said other breakthroughs here L show. I'm gonna put it on my Instagram later break. The news Marty is. Funky, Ben fanatic. He way you have a picture of Kamara wearing your t-shirt and aware enter the fake, afro know, what years this this is like and at least ten years ago when I was like just after college. I mean, yeah, posted what do you post today? I'll pose it right after I get off this interview, this is credible. This this rivalry if you will continue to have layers and legs to it. It's amazing. It reminds me of chill Sunin because chill did a better than anyone where he would have like four feuds going on at the same time. Right. So when this fight is over you can move onto those you're you're planting seeds all over the place. But let me just ask you one question about Robbie you faced off with the guy. You seem to like him seem to respect him. What was the face off like, hey, so nice like he's so hard. We got on the same bus going over there. I like why you have to fight him me. So. The ball. He even he like. When we got on the wrong places like damn you entire roasted Marty and he was like he was laughing about it while. So yeah, I don't know Robbie's a beast. He's tough. You know, the one thing I was thinking about Robbie is that. I remember. And I think it was I was at this fight 'cause it was Tyronn was of fighting. And this was way back shoe. I want to two thousand ten and I remember Robbie got choked up Jake shields. I remember thinking damn rob used to be so good. What the hell happened him? And then obviously four five years posted. He went went on that UC title run. So it's like I'm gonna expect the best version of Robbie. I I'm not going expect the down version that that lost to RDA or the one that got choked by two Shiels, I'm training for the best Robbie, and that's why I think it's silly would feel forgivable Morton for about through new to focus Giusto in Bellevue wall or not like, what do you have a freaking picture? Rob you stare in twenty four hours. That's weird. That's bizarre. Obviously went on training. I'm training for Robbie Lawler. I'm trying to be Robbie Lawler. But I'm not gonna obsess over the man two hours day. That's just like weird. Yeah. That is weird. What about John Jones? Did he say anything to feel like you've talked about John in the past? Yeah. He. Yeah. We made friends. We obviously, I'm a DC backer. Right. That's my guy. I'm gonna back him the whole way. And so I've teased John a little bit. But we make good after the press conference. He actually wrestled my brother twice way way back once in highschool, and once I think freshman year of college my brother two times, and so we kinda ran along the same payoffs. And so, yeah, he said group watching me wrestle, and and nice to meet you, and we never officially met in person. So yeah, it was good. You made the case once again for one sixty five versus B B said that you would write as back chant USA for those that have been watching you for awhile shades of the Karesh fight that was a fun moment. Dana kind of put his foot down and said that's not happening. Do you believe him or do you really still think that this is going to happen? Oh, we've Mariel. I answer the question. Do I believe him a one sixty five belt isn't coming. Yeah. From being honest, if he says, it's not coming. Then I think it is coming while. He also said women would never fight in the US. Among many other things he said, so when you look at let's look just from a strictly numbers perspective to when when you if you add up the I did the numbers on on the UC dot com. Their their research if you had up the lightweight division, and the welterweight division, those two way classes, I believe there's one hundred seventy two competitors. Okay. So if you split that three separate ways, you are still have the three biggest divisions in the UFC. You know, what I'm saying there? And so you have roughly fifty seven competitors per division, which would be the three biggest divisions in the. I mean, you're looking at somebody's women's divisions. There are twelve or less as we're talking about three way cluster have approximately fifty seven competitors. That's a big way class. That's a lot of people in there. So I've just a feasability of it just makes so much sense that I don't see any way there not going to happen. What about Habib saying that you have to show? You have to show their levels here. This is minor leagues. What about that response? He said a whipping athletes were different the way before. So who knows? Okay. So he's he's all over the place. All right. Speaking of which last week on the program been we spoke to Darren till? I don't know if you caught the clip I just wanted to play it for. Attacks of what he said. Okay. Here's Darren till talking about his good friend Ben aspirin last week on the show. Now, what's happening between you to talk about a because I find that. You're back and forth is very entertaining. I must say what is happening. What is the crux of the issue here? This is low issue. I'm not. Okay. Is this someone that you would like to fight before you move up to one eighty five? Of course, I'm not scared Vanna toll Benz, I remember years ago when when when I was in Brazil on my wrestling, coach, Tim. Sovereign job. I remember when my restaurant coach, Tim usually talk about panel time on big open. So I've known about banned for years, and you know, Ben combs that she install on a lot of people didn't respond. So who am I not responsive, and I'm until June kiss benders? All to take me because he has to be all intelligence, and I just I just saw. There's a reactor. So. It is one of his Ben doesn't know how to take me. He thinks that you're confused by him, yours, what what you're drunk and incoherent. A why do I even bother like that's a waste of my brain power to try to respond to that. Did you were you pay attention to his tweet one night? The man was drunk and incoherent, obviously, I'm not gonna sponde- to that. Because it's like when you get to that level of low you become just as stupid as the person, you're arguing with okay, I'm gonna pass on that. You know, the one thing I did aid called me. I think he called me a precursor and a whole or something like that. And it's like that that he's just he's a very immature person. He's the kinda person that a beating like me would add some respect to his life. And you know, I there was article, and this this duty is this is to be taught a lesson. He like was bragging about the fed akin Brasilia, he didn't see for your that was the type of sacrificing. It's like that's sad. That's irresponsible that selfish. There's so many things wrong with that statement. And if you do have an illegitimate child, and if you do make that mistake. Hey, man, it happened. It's life life tough. I get it. Don't brag about that being barest about that you probably their hide that or or apologize for the fact that that is what's happened in your life. But he was almost bragging about it. It was just really bizarre, man. Like that kids going to grow up without a father. That's raking sad, you're being selfish, you're being inconsiderate. There's just so many things. So there needs to learn some respect. And yes, I'm not going to go back and forth them when he's being drunken incoherent and being very immature in his defense. I don't think he was bragging about the illegitimate child as you put it. I think he was just saying that like right now. My only focus is fighting for the belt before the okay? So if you say, not Brang, that's my focus you're bragging about that's what your focus is. You're saying this is my focus man, aero that selfish. When you when you decide to when you decide to have this PSA now, I'm like the adult when you decide to have sex having a kid as a possible bribe by prior to that, and if you are mature enough to make the decision to do that. Then you have to take responsibility for your actions. Fernand? Hey, listen. That's dash. And you chose Darren live up to it, man. Don't make don't make that kids suffer because you may near sponsors, and that's a bunch of crowd fair enough. Let me just quickly before we let you go is it possible? From from my perspective. It seems like coal becoming ten is in the doghouse, and I feel air. All the momentum. That you have I feel like you may leapfrog everyone, and we'll see what happens between the Willie fight. But if it was been wins. And I know you won't fight tiring your friend and former teammate at Mizzou, and I respect that. But it feels like if Kamara wins winning of. Okay. So what happens? What do you do from there at that point? I'm going on. And I'm gonna freaking bacterial or MAs corner. Whoever wins to fighting. Okay. So that's the plan beat him March second and then go to London two weeks later. Funky. Ben aspirin, just on our. So no matter moments on Twitter now when you post onto 'cause you're tweets these days Instagram post, both can you say like as previously referenced on the Hawaii show, I need the funky. Rub. You see what I'm saying? I do I say as previously reference. I mean, you can write that in the in the description. Okay. As pro also ELS promise. Yes. On at aerial. Can I buy you could do that? That's fine that works. All right. Thank you. Yeah. This fun aerial. Always. It's always fun been great stuff as always we'll talk to you soon. Good luck in the next few weeks, preparing for the all, right? There is funky Ben aspirin phenomenal Skype connection in his little studio there that little whatever that is. It's great stuff. You have see 235. It goes down March second inlaws Vegas. There's the lineup. My friends John Jones versus Anthony Smith Tyron Woodley versus Kamar Roseman. Rob Lalla, Ben aspirin, Cody Garbrandt versus pager Munoz and Jeremy Stevens versus beat Maga med Shari Pov. You have to thirty four. It is not this one stack. It's amazing prio and Poche show on ESPN. Plus now, this is a ten PM start time as far as the main card is concerned with the paper for us are going to be the same. But like I said the new era ESPN plus cards ESPN cards early early as far as starting early as far as ending very exciting stuff. All right. Let us move along. Thank you and asking now big news last Tuesday, just moments after the whole Nevada Athletic Commission, hearing wrapped up we found out. You know, what was going to happen to Conor McGregor? We found out. What was going to have to Habib and his France we found out about John Jones. But just moments later, Artem Lobov comes out and tells the world that he is no longer a UFC fighter that he is now looking to move on with his career boxing career kick boxing career. He is a free agent, and he wants a contract in each and every one of those sports this this this drew more of a reaction on my social media Instagram Twitter, then the Connor slash Khabib slash John Jones. I kid you not the people of Artem they want to hear from him. He's kind enough to be joining us right now be the magic Skype, Artem how are you? We'll move things having it is it is a sorry that again. Listener movie as being bring so much for having. It's an absolute honor. And pleasure, Artem it's great to talk to you. As always a very busy week for you win. Did this all start? I know you told me in the past before your last fight against Michael Johnson that if you can't get the fight against Byara. You wanted out you even talked about getting released before all that went down. When did you start working on this release that you've actually got last week? You know after Mike Jones fight over. So, you know, I kind of side looking at my next fight is going to be and I'll read you knew just from talking to the that the punishment was going to be pretty severe. You know, I didn't really know how long this was going to be. But I knew I wouldn't be able to get that fight as of right now. So I thought why not go elsewhere? You know, this is your see has always been the pinnacle of the sport and for any fire is Halloween achievement getting into the. But once you've done that been there and done that now it's all about making money. And it just turns out that you know, there's more money for me to be made. Elsewhere. And of course, I'm thankful to the for that is the fact that I was you'll see fide is a big big part of the fog. I'm getting all this offers right now. Okay. So did the even try to convince you did they try to keep you? Yeah. They they said to me the offering talking about the fight and Russia, potentially April. But you know, I it wasn't really clear when ward who and you know, just didn't sound convincing enough. I like I said offers a really really good. And they only fight that. I really read it. They want them is by g confide. No. So it wasn't no brainer. For me. Do you know the death toll free agency and see how that goes? And how many did you have left on your deal? Had fights left. Okay. So once you both agreed okay there, there's there's only an opportunity to fight in April Zubair is not going to fight for a year today, put up much resistance, or are they pretty cool about it. Well, I mean, you have to bring mind that they had just given a new contract during you got four five left on my contract and the gaming new contract. Still the four fights on it and bumped up my money, and you know, you know, the getting out of the things beneficial things on like the timeframe of the contract and all that. But so they weren't willing to give me another, you know, when you contract just as they given one already. So it was really a matter of, you know, relieve or stay with what I have. And I wasn't you know, I was lucky enough that they allowed me to release because they wanted to they could have just kept their kept me on the shelf. And and that would not have been my on anything for that. They did release me and gave me this opportunity to go and fight officially when we're you release. So Fisher just when I read it. That's one fisherman was when I finally got my paper 'cause I didn't want rush this time. It has happened to me before in the past. Where I go to feeling that are getting released and contact different promotion mask defied their time. Parents look I'm ready to fight him released and that was agreed. And then they turned down that I wasn't getting released. So, you know, it was not a good station to being so they have to make sure when on the percent that you know, I am getting my release. I'm done. Would you leave with any regrets? Not at all. No had a great time in your c-. You know, he wasn't great about to be on with thinking thinking. Now, I think I'm gonna perfect spot because I'm a free agent. Now, we allows me to make a hell of more money and fight a lot more of them. And then the neen means that still the biggest fight you could make an Russia right now. So when she's back on a years time. I mean who is not to say that there's between for me the Roebuck in potential bagging or else he gets release and me and the input on the five. Elsewhere, you know, there's going to be many options for me down the line. So I have no regrets. I never regret, you know, doing something. I only look forward I'm moving forward. And I cannot wait to put my hands on everyone. But both Thursday K one guy they remain so over there, whoever wants to come and get it. So I was told that there's an offer on the table for you to fight Zubaira in Chechnya for a lot of money. Are you aware? Of this or. Oh, yes. Certainly I aware of this this offer to me how we're supposed to be right before my side with Michael Johnson have responded to that offer by saying that, you know, no matter where you know, takes place. Matt I'm willing to to fly on on whatever notice in any place in the world. And I'm not only about, but I will say this one more time base to me is very important. It's not about money. If not about anything else is about the owners respectable making the right? So I said this in my initial response, and I will say again that from that particular, I will donate every single two children strategy, and I will say that again, though. Okay. So every cent that you make from that, you you said you're going to get the children's charity my full bars. I mean, giving it the children started to because the reason I say that because when it was put to me, you know, there was there were Stokes of all will give you more money for doing this. And I just wanted to never been known. On that. This is not about money to me. I would think like in a heartbeat in any organization in any place on this planet all the moon or anywhere else in the universe. And I want to make any money from the business. This is about something else. So we'll see what happens to the best of your knowledge. Do you think that he will fight while under suspension? Even though I did again, I have no idea. Why? I mean, if you wants to why doesn't he leave we put her on right now? You know, I don't mind that join events, but I don't know. We'll she live not live. I have no information on that. Okay. So now that you are free agent. And it's been out there for six days. Are you getting a lot of ours? Yeah. To be honest. I I mean, I if I'm honest, I did expect to get a lot of offers. But I mean, I it's been quite roaming, if I'm on the number of six digits pretty quickly. And that's where I'm at the moment mean wherever as more. That's where I'm going to go, you know, once you've been to the theater fighter. You know? You've kinda reached the pinnacle of the sport. So right now, it's all about money to me. I mean, so I've been me, you know, certain name the promotion this and that they do play certain parts, but mainly it's about money. No. And are these offers from not only enemy promotions. But Emma may. Kickboxing end or boxing. Yeah. I it's everywhere. There's been no came on kick both thing. And I may both thing. I there's there's a lot of offers on the table. You know to be honest. I wanna sign them all because with me. You don't have to worry about me getting injured or not showing up. I will show up every time. If I said that I'm gonna be there. I'm going to be there. Even if you line up fight for me every single weekend for the next ten years, I will be at every single one of them. So so I have a feeling that I could potentially strike numerous going Trump's a one for both thing one for K one and one for me, and we can all come to agreement, you know, or perhaps if I have something regulating taking your fight in the next number of days or prior to that fight or whatever. But you know, I certainly want to that's myself in all those fields into. Okay. So would it be fair to say though, understand that you want, you know, contracts in those three sports? But first things I get the deal is that is that the one that you wanna folk. This on the most and then kickboxing slash boxing that gravy. To be honest. I'm putting putting them all up against each other. You know what? I mean. I'm seeing who who was and 'cause it doesn't I don't have to fight all those sports. I don't have that would love to. And I love to fight. I love Tijuana, those are real fights. And all your show, you what their shows and all its its its proper knocks every time, but they have no they have no stars have nobody in their people don't really knowing they from that sport. So I feel like with crossover nicely. Both thing is look at the the books in right now. There's no one there's no names all the all the guys that have been made. What are they all retired? And they're all them. There's not that much of the young town coming up. So I would definitely slowed in there as well. And my may of course, I mean, I've been I've been making a lot of noise number may world for many years now, and I continue to do. So so. Go. I saw Twitter that you you you sent a message to Amir Khan. And Polly Molin is she did you ever hear back from from their representatives. Nor was actually talking today to my management guy in sports management than and they said nothing been from them just yet. But I'm still hoping you know who knows being on your show. I mean, let's be on how many people, you know, leave the company, and that becomes the news on the ESPN on the biggest remain show in the world discussing me, leaving your C. And all that between that I have, you know. And that's that's what counts what comes to so many people are watching your fights. And when I fight ever watch. Listen, as you know, you don't need me to tell you this. But you know, people can say it's tongue in cheek people care about you. And what I like about us. The whole goat thing you take it in stride. You get it. But at the end of the day, you recognize that people actually write about your fights watcher fights care about your fights. So you don't really seem to care that people call you the goad and all that take shots at you as long as they watch. That's all you care about. It seems my right. Absolutely. And that's all. Determines? I mean, what what do you call success in our sport? But what determined success? I mean, I used excessive. Let's say you're only known as watching your fights is that excess trust me your Bank account. We'll say otherwise. So you know, now that I've been in the sport for so long. I know this no more than ever what successes. So many people are watching known as watching doesn't matter. What else achieving urine successful? If people watching your fights they care about what you do. You know, then that's accessible. So as far as I'm concerned, I'm one of the most successful fighters in the world. It seems like SPG has a good relationship with Bella tour. Have you talked to them yet? I tweet fifty cent and talk about or have you talked to that organization yet. Yeah. Certainly they were one of the first to give me an offer. We have a very good offer as well. And I'm just I'm I'm right now sort of collecting although for myself, of course, I guess my mind has been doing guy in sports. They're just considering. Although I, you know offers too big or small so everyone well or else is out there, and the more my way and see what happens how close are you to signing one ear deals. Well, they only been the first couple of days. And since I now, it's my departure from your C. So a lot of I I, you know, at the early stage, I feel that there's a lot more. They're even thought overs already looking pretty good. So we'll see how it goes. You know? I mean, if someone wants to for me seven Jesus, you know, number right now, I'm happy to sign straight away. And let's let's call it a day. Forget all discussions can have you know, the rushing Amer making all of your scream, whoever we're gonna vision decides to do that if not going with. Go ahead. I'll tell you what. Go ahead core. Have how close are we to seven figures at this point? Not not that not not as close as I would like to be. But you know, Corneau's I was very far from the exhibits when I was in the left and here, I'm already exist right away. So, you know, give it another year or so on and we will be on seventy have them. Does it kinda make you wish you left you have C earlier? If this kind of money was out there waiting for you. Not at all. I enjoyed going to have the it's, you know, all things I it's a great organization to be part of like, let's be on us from from from the very beginning. The moment get the fight that signed. You know, you're literally like taking the lead all the way, I'm very thankful to all the stuff that that worked for the today have made each and every single experience of dealing with the UC. Great amazing. You know that they finally, and you say the way you can see that it is a good company to work for in that sense because you see all the same staff working since my day want to UC till now, even the company was sold and still the same people remained. So, you know, I it's great. You know, it's a fine. See if I'm it was great for me to be part of that. But you know, I look forward to this new chapter in my life, just curious also ornamental you weren't apart of it. But what did you make of Nevada's punishments last week, first and foremost for your friend Khanna McGregor getting six months? And a fifty thousand dollar fine. Did you feel like that was just? To be on. It is what is no. It's kinda hard. I'm not a judge. I'm not a lawyer. I don't think in know, if you know the person starting something done. I don't think you should be punished. I mean that should be considered self defense, and you have to respond to what you just stunned. Then what do you know what I mean? Just let them I let the whole thing unfold in it was a case and there so you could understand that in O'Connor have to react. But you know, it is what it is. Let's just move forward. Let's just put this behind us and everyone of their their punishments, and let said letting the cage where wherever should have settled in the first place. I couldn't be more. But just curious the one year suspension for Vira. And and an Abu Bakar did you feel like that was too much? All things considered. I mean, it is probably the right decision. You know, you know, especially given the fact that these if you're giving corner six months, then you have to give them more giving them they just jumped from outside. They weren't part of the fight. So you should definitely know give them more into buildings. They I mean, they should consider them like anyway, because if gonna have breath charges they would have been looking at jail time. So I don't think that's VERA punishment for them. It's I think it's fair. I think it's just how do you want to return like in an ideal world? When would you fight again? On the guard rail. That's that's probably one of the biggest reasons, I I I left is that the front that. I absolutely love fighting. I mean, I put all things I actually just love fighting. I wanna be fighting all the time and I used to do that on a regular basis. I remember someone counted how often I used to fight whenever I used to fight every fourth one days. So for me to go from fighting every month pretty much through to not really fighting at all if I think once a year that was just killing me, and I have to be realistic as well thirty three years old. And I I'm not getting any younger when my prime right now. So I wanna be fighting all the time. I don't wanna be sitting on the bench, and and just looking out there. So so I hope to fight very soon. I hope to fight. Let's fight next week. Let's fight the week after whenever show me that contract. Let's get this annoying stuff out of the way. And let's get to the fun stuff to fight. How many more years you ought to do this for? As long as my body allows me, you know, there's one thing. I kinda set the myself the moment, I feel that I'm not improving anymore that I've taken a deep, and I'm and I'm more and more down because of age or injuries, or whatever they might be. I will be onus myself, and I will retire hung them up. But until I'm I feel I'm feeling proving and I'm getting better I will keep on fighting, and I see improvements all the time. I mean, look at it in my last fight that went through with number ten the guy in the world and the weight loss of mine, but she wasn't guy in the wake of both mind and local done. Well, even was one one one of the ground, and she just told by by thank on. So of course, I'm excited to see whether what the future holds I'm excited to see how good I can get. I'm excited to see. How people do against me when they cannot take me down. I mean, what are the books are going to tell me one that I love because it's always been the guy. Thanks. Down. And then lays onto for me. That's the only reason I ever lost the fight so much knowing books when they kind of take me down my K one when they can take me down. What are they going to do them? I think all the way to well Indian Artem are you surprised that even your on this losing streak, but still it seems like you're more popular than ever? Does that surprise you? You know? But but that's that's again that's coming back to this. You know, people love to hate. So they find a way to kind of try and get under your skin or your loss of your this. And that, but truly when base sitting at home watching my fight, they know that this money brings everything and it's a competitive five every single time, and those that you want to see, you know, nobody wants to see them the records where where the guy just fold over until ten seconds. And to be honest with you, I hate when when fighters because I feel like you're cheating. The you're treating the the the guys that they your salary you cheating, the fans they watching the stake they paid money for it. And and it's not real fight. You know, they never have to worry about that. With me. You know, I love my they support me and other things you always give them the best fights that they can possibly see the real fight. Is there part of you Artem that has happy about being outside of the u of because now you can no longer here. The. Oh, you're just here because Conor McGregor. You're now on your own path. It has nothing to do with him. And you don't have to hear that anymore. I didn't mind that at all. And I will still say it again. Yes, I wasn't the the big of me being in the was the fuck that. I was wasn't the fact that I'm gonna friend. Of course, it was the negative. But the words Dan that was not that was on the the reason anymore and look at any other look at even my last fight like I said, I was like oh man event. And you didn't even hear much about the main event. All you heard was people talk about my fight. So and everyone sees that end of the day. Like, I said again, you're see they only make money people watching their fight and people watch my. So that means they make money they make money everyone else makes money. So I am happy to be out over the year. See, but not for the reasons that you mentioned. All right, pleasure. As always, my friend. Congrats on a great run making a lot of noise. Getting a lot more. I remember when I first met you several years ago, you were trying to get that fight. I do believe against Dennis Seaver and a lot of people here in America. Didn't know who you were. And you were with your coach John Cavanaugh in Las Vegas getting ready for one of Connor's fight. I think it was you have see one seventy eight and you're campaigning very hard to take that fight on a week's notice. While now, everyone knows who you are around the world going to be very interesting to see who you sign with how many deals you get please do keep us posted. And thank you as always for coming on the show to keep us updated. Thank you so much for him. You on the show. Eilly was great being on ESPN for the first time ever. I look forward to being on a many many many more time for many many many more years. I'm going to take over the game. I don't give up. I never will. I'm gonna keep on fighting as long as my heart is beating and quitting. Thank you are very is the Russian hammer himself, Artem Lobov stopping by giving us update on his fighting future. Okay. Let's move along. Now, one of the very best fighters in the UFC is name Islam Mafa. Chef he is sixteen in one. He has won his last four fights in a row. Of course, he is a friend and training partner of one hubby Mogomedov. He is coming up a win over Cajun Johnson back in July. But we have not heard much from him since his name pops up here and there, but now let's talk to the man for the first time ever on this program. A lot of people excited to hear from Islam. He's now on the Skype machine from Dagestan Islam. Salaam, aleikum, I brother, how are you? From on the line. Good hearted doing very well. Thank you for joining us. This is exciting. Appreciate notes late over there in Dagestan. So thank you very much for doing this. Let me ask you. I am. I know your name has popped up. And I know that you were supposed to fight franscisco turnout o- UFC two thirty three. But then you heard that they took that fight and moved it. Why haven't you fought? And why don't you have a fight since July of last year? We know when you're in should give through now. They don't ask me about despite about this. The don't say nothing, but I okay, my Instagram and bottom people send her fight like this journal the, but I don't know about despite nothing about the statement, not no not my manager. Not there's nobody called me about despite nobody else about okay. So as of right now, you don't have your next fight. Correct. Yes. I'm still waiting for expire months awaiting for next up on. I'm training every day. I'm I waiting for the next. I saw your friend Habibur Magomedov flaps week on Twitter and essentially say to Kevin Lee. Hey, fight, my guy Islam Kevin has been talking a lot about fighting hubby, but was maybe trying to stir something up, and then you respondent say, hey, Kevin. I don't hear from you. Did he ever respond? You know, if there's any interest in making this fight. No kidding. Speak too much. Don't sit on their nothing, but Jesse speak. I I I know I ask you what about I don't know. Maybe try revived by Bentham. I am in will give unsure about about. But I wanna find this guy because he said Lara pitch about about Doug estan survive with me about my team. I wanna switch. Mark that doesn't make a rare. You feel like he's talked too much that he's crossed the line. They just just in the. Is that you have interested in making this fight to the best of your knowledge. I wanna put him in like baking in impudence. You want to send the back to the prelims? So is the interested in making this fight? I don't know. Maybe if we refined in Russia by the interesting in rush, I know in Russia. My my like my team iphones it by the rating despite because say lot of racial rushing friends. I understand that you see is going to rush right in in April. I believe are you going to be on that card? I don't know. I'm I know say on here on the being Russia in April. And that doesn't make it for me. I am ready now in March in February in April dozen if they give McKinley I. No matter when no matter where is it. A little frustrating that your last fight was in July. And here we are in February. And you still don't know when you're going to fight again. On you know. Early when her migra go I'm in. I'm in good shape. Fant. I Milo jolly I wanna fighting Cobra the Cobra dick November or December should give me and I need the rest after after this like big training camp. I need rest like couple months, and though him now I wanna fi- just in February or March. And so it does seem last night. I guess I missed it. But it does seem like he did respond. He didn't respond to you. He responded to Habib saying about you the man can't speak for himself. I heard he's already to hurt. Did you see this message? And what is he referring to about you being hurt and shins message? But I hope I hope ivine contract. Oh, yeah. Because then I see that you did respond to March thirtieth Philadelphia. The train is moving here. You're making things happen. Islam. All the real. Okay. And right now, you are you are in Dagestan right over there. What is life like for you guys after what did to Connor? I feel like all of you have gone the lot more famous over there is that I know it's hard for me to go outside. And here's a lot of people. You know that wanna talk to him and game. Attention. Is it the same for us? Well. Not saying, but after after a heavy that loss fight like everything changed. Out of people in in. Very famous. Is it hard around him? A lot of people coming up to him. It's hard to have privacy. Letterhead for has changed. Or is. He still humble is still the same old Habib or has is getting a little big. If they handle. Still training his humble, it's raining everyday. He's in douglaston now as well. Hinder your son? What did you think of the Nevada Athletic Commission, the punishments that they gave to your teammates Byron Boubacar? What did you think of the one year suspension fifty thousand dollars? I don't agree with this decision because because Naroda give us abide Ron here vicious. I don't understand how. They don't do nothing. But you know. Go inside the cage my Ghana function. Back on just defense. Where where were you where were you during all this? Because I think initially some people thought that you're that guy in the red in the red shirt that jumped over, but that wasn't you were you even there. I'm I'm I'm not jump in their yard. But I. I'm Doug job and jump inside. But I am interested is closely escape when runs punched this guy did this. Yeah. I stayed him. Okay. You are. You're a part of corner. Yeah. Okay. Did you get hurt? Did anyone punch you in and all that? Nobody punching. But one guy I don't know his name is working in UC hit like gauge me like like just Beckmann. That's okay. That's good and Habib getting nine months and five hundred thousand dollar fine. What did you think of that? I don't know all you him like with like this because when when McGregor attacks boss, they give him I don't know how much they gave him. Nothing. Well, he went he went to jail, but he couldn't find anything because he wasn't a licensed fighter New York. Don't pay nothing. But now, it's just not smell it should big money. I don't know how they they give him like this decision. Do you think? It's do you think it's fair that Habib got nine months five hundred thousand and he's got six months fifty thousand. I don't agree recision. Alea via Habib said that is not gonna fight for a year. He's gonna sit out as long as Byron Abu Bakar can't fight is that what you here as well. And so I think if I think. When when when your buyer, and we work on finish finishing. This this decision disqualification in October. Maybe by the by same same same. Same Iran's reading here. Don't hit. I know he is still his still waiting for discrimination from your brother were you worried that that you would get punished as well initially. I I I don't I don't like thinking about this. Because because we him if they give him this quantification if they give me despite finishing doesn't I don't I don't think about this. They don't give I think while I'm ready for next. Okay. It must be unbelievable for you guys to see how popular the sport has has gone in dog. It's done in Russia like to see some of that footage of how the fans react there to you guys. And even when I understand when you call Kevin Lee last week, everyone went on his Instagram, and like spammed it and said Islam time and all that stuff. Your fans are very they're very passionate. I don't know if you know this, but you have a very passionate following Donnie fighters. In on Russia. Have I have. Big big fund. Steam, like, no, I love my team. I finish. Everybody wants to want to see my fight this currently. Have you talked about what you guys will do. Like, I said, you're sixteen in one you've won four in a row, and you're getting close, you know, if you fight a guy like Kevin like, you're now in that discussion we're talking about maybe top five. What happens? He's still the champion. It doesn't look. He's gonna lose anytime soon and your number one contender. What are you guys going to do them? Although we don't talk about this. But amid said in the if you give your fight. I coming issue in for training camp saves you run though rather returning again here stunt every day. We don't we don't. We don't think about that. You would never fight him. Right. I am in him everyday. In the gym. But not for money, not at a UFC vent. Never brothers brothers. Don't fight right. I think you said you're you're so people on the sender's, but not like browser like, brother, snow, right? But one gym that understands that is the American kickboxing kademi 'cause they've been in that position in the past with Jon Fitch, Josh Chac, Daniel Cormie came Velazquez. They don't agree with that. So you're a perfect fit over there. I like this. They understand. On. So will you go? If you get a fight in March you go back to San Jose for that camp. Of course, I'm tending. I think for weeks on on will the canyon indicate I was just at a K last week. And they showed me where all all you you fighter. Stay when you come from douglaston. You all stay together in like a small hotel. And have your Mendez told me that he's told hubby you guys can get a mansion you could get a big house. But he said, no, we have to stay humble, we all have to stay together. Why do you why do you do that? Why not have a more spacious place, you know, fancy place things like that. Why why not now that you guys are so famous, and there's so many of you try to go somewhere nicer when you're there. I know we're looking for big house closers occa-, but with don't with on. Really like stay on medical Bill this. They're very close in a five four minutes. This is for us like we go. We went to go to training. Before like, five minutes. Ray ray. Everything about them. You know? We rent big harsh like twenty five needs to go before ending and traffic. The. This is Mick time. If you can't get heavenly or anyone else that interests you. I don't know. I I wanna find me scantily. But the if they don't give me I'm fried. Doesn't make a whole. We saw how personal three three more three time in. I will timing near in two thousand nineteen. We saw how personal got between Connor and Habib leading up to that fight and Kevin has talked about, you know, the Russians and Douglas Tanis is it possible that that could get the build up. If that fight happens that it could be personally that is something that you're worried about. Long. I think understand this is not joke. This threshold. This is not from. People. This is efficient like something about about. My my mic on through my mic game. When I when I sing is mission. Doesn't matter where. All right inside outside guys are making now, I think everybody understands and just to be clear has your management. Have they talked to you about this fight? You know, if the seats actually interested in it. I don't know they give I suggest. I don't know. I'm going to call my manager asked about this. Okay. Well, hopefully, we're gonna talk to. Very sure they go ahead. Sorry. I hope I hope. Usually about despite aren't we will ask them as well. It's it's nice to have you on the show for the first time. Keep up the great work continued success to you in the team. Salam aleikum my brother. We'll see you soon. Good luck. Any then? I hope you understand guys. Mine english. Very good. Very good. Actually, I was told that you're the funniest guy on the whole team that you're than that, you have a great sense of humor. So over time we will get to experience that as well. I hope I wish in new four months months ago on little forget fingers. It's okay. Great job. First time. Thank you on. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. There is some off of climbing up the ranks at one hundred and fifty five pounds wins over Chris. Wade Nik Lentz glazed Tibo Cajun Johnson last two finishes in the first round knockout glaze Tibo in just fifty seven seconds. Then be Cajun Johnson. And what ended up being Cajun Johnson's last. You have see fight. Back in July in Calgary, four minutes and forty three seconds has one loss on his record. That was a knockout to Janelle Martines is somewhat shocking. Knockout had happened in just a minute and forty six seconds of the first round. That's the only blemish on his record. That was in his second. You have see fight other than that. Absolutely. Perfect. Young just twenty seven years young from douglaston, a mini Habib if you will and on the same path other than that one blemish appears to be moving in the same direction as one could be near Mogomedov. He wants Kevin Lee. I miss the fact that Kevin had actually responded not to him. That's why I think I missed it. But to Abib, and it seems like he is pushing for a fight Islam is March thirtieth. In philadelphia. That's the ESPN card. You'll recall Kevin was on the show a few months back talking about walking around at UFC, two Twenty-nine with the bulletproof vests and the Irish fans were there and the Russian fans were there and everyone was kinda coming, but no one actually did anything. So if he wants a fight and Kevin's one of those guys who somewhat like, Ben aspirin has a lot of seeds planted all over the place as far as feuds ongoing feuds, if you will he's he's got an opportunity here with this of that would be a lot of fun. And then perhaps if he gets by then he could get the fight that he's really been talking about for three years. I mean, if you go back there was a time when no one was talking about B, and Kevin Lee was talking about wanting to Habib. This is not a new phenomenon just because. Habib is champion. I my heart. Just thought I must say I'm sorry for going off topic here. But my son's teacher just send me an Email with the word surgery in the subject. But it's like it's like a a thing that they did you can't put surgery in in a subject line from a teacher. I swear my heart just stopped on the air right here. The word surgery was in the subject line of this Email, and then I see it's like some, you know, I mean, really you can't do that. As you will soon hear from your child that we perform surgery to. I mean, what what is that what is going on otherwise a great school, but little I felt my heart stopped there for a second. I actually felt it stop it just as and it's not even like capital S surgery. It's under all under case lower case surgery, really. Questionable a little bit. I hope they don't listen to the show. I mean, otherwise, very nice people. But maybe next time you don't put the word surgery in the subject line. Maybe that's not the best thing to put in the middle of the day. Like, maybe to say like, hey, we've got a fun little project that we're doing maybe something like that. Cheese. We're tracking down Elliott, those ease and his team is telling me that he's on and waiting to come on. Corporate getting a little snippy with me back there. I mean, really raising his voice if I'm being honest Elliott Z's the manager for one is I'm manager to the stars one of the most polarizing controversial figures in this game. But no doubt about it has at this point probably the most robust. Client roster as far as you have see fighters are concerned. Names that we wanna talk to him about Henry pseudo Marla, mariah's, Frankie. Edgar even amalgamate Ray board feB Mogomedov again Comorros Mun for Magomedov. Kevin Ghasem sub even rumble Johnson who showed up at the bare knuckle fighting championship event on Saturday falling everyone got their pennies in a bunch thinking that he had actually signed. But he's not actually fighting. He's like an ambassador of sorts like one of those guys who's gonna do PR for them. So everyone just calm down. For sure doom who's on the show last week asking for his release, Nick Newell jar Eubanks list goes on and on and on Kelvin fighting for the belt this week while Mariah just fought in the main event, always lots talk about with a Li the headman over at dominance MA. So we'll talk to him in a matter of moments. Hopefully afterwards, we'll talk to John Edwards. Who's a part of that press conference in England last week is actually another press conference in England this week MVP, Paul Daley fight is coming up very soon in less than two weeks here in Connecticut at the Mohegan sun. The most talked about the the most anticipated UK may fight ever, Paul Daley. Another one of his guys, by the way, these guys and it's happening at Mohegan sun in unconcealed, Connecticut, why I still don't quite understand. But it's actually happening. It's actually a full weekend of bell tournament at Mohegan sun. There's two events back back Friday Saturday, and then there's the UFC on ESPN card Sunday. So it's. Busy weekend coming up in two weeks this week, and of course to see to thirty four coming gasoline versus robber Whitaker. And then it's in the comb event. The people's main event is route Asana versus Anderson Silva will talk to Israel Sonya in the third hour. Also, talked to Robert Whitaker the rest of the card, if I'm being honest is a little thin, but I wanna remind you that we're back on the radio on terrestrial radio on Saturdays. So we're back for more. We did our maiden voyage before the first card in Brooklyn that was last month, and we're back on ESPN radio Helen show on the radio. So we're on television tomorrow midnight eastern time nine pm Pacific on ESPN news. Also, the shows replayed one AM eastern time ten PM Pacific on ESPN two back to back. Multiple opportunities to watch the show. That's how popular this movement is. And we've got that. And then it's I think it's gonna replay later, but then we also got the radio show on. Saturday from three pm eastern time to five thirty PM eastern time. You can listen to it on your radio. Satellite radio. You can also listen online. We're getting two and a half hours. We've gone from an hour to two and a half hours. How great is that incredible? And also for those that watch the show on Monday. If you think that the TV shows just one hour condensed version of. The Monday show. It's not we have new segments. Like turn back the clock fund one last week. You've got a really fun this week where we kind of take something that's happening today and turn back the clock if you will and compared to something that happened in the past and also three stars where we highlight three individuals who had a big outside of the arena that's coming up on the TV show tomorrow. But for now, let us go to the sky machine. I do believe and say Hello to our next guest. This man asked me to come on the show. He says that he's got a lot on his mind. And here he is with his sunglasses late twelve minutes late. I've been wasting all this time. And and now he's just fashionably late there. He is Ollie does these manager to the stars. Ali. How are you? I don't see I supposed to see. Well, you see yourself right now. Right. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's how the magic TV works. There we go. Hello ellie. How are you severed your faces a little cut off their do you do you mind framing the shot a little bit? Just move it up a little bit there. Yeah. Move it up. There we go. Okay there. It is perfect. You did great. Oh, you have to hold. It. Is that annoying? No, no. I'm going to have somebody. Yeah. Where's one of your many assistance? They can hold it for you got like eight. Yes. Your brother? Sorry. Well, it's nice to talk to leave. Because last week. I couldn't hold a notice on Twitter. You called me a bomb? You know, you re tweeted my postal, it's nice that you're on the show. I'm happy to talk to you sometime you I'm not saying something in news. See some. Well, it's it's very sunny in your house. Why are you wearing sunglasses? I don't feel good. Okay. Well, thank. So you didn't feel good or you don't feel good. Marlin didn't feel good last week. Let's talk about Marlin what our performance he was sick. He won. But now, there's a whole confusion. Right. There's confusion at one thirty five because you also have your guy Henry talking about TJ. What's going to happen? We all know that you run the see. So tell us what is going to happen L. Yeah. I run see rugby fail and I'm working on military to run. Okay. Great. So what's going to happen? Tell us. Listen in there. They you know, one thing I not della shots beat beat. Shot have some problem because ten times out of ten hitters. Don't come out in time. About the whole thing. Inser to you, the shot is just that is that derail, you know. At the end of the day Marlon Henry, they they want to be or champion, they burst or they start trading break. I'm just there for both of them. Given the opportunity in the world champion make may debris side of make the most money get a families responsibilities. But in very interesting situation. Because now n- my opinion hinder is the you've C which is why which because you're gonna be champion coming off a lot and my opinion. I think Cody to rematch. What's his name TJ? They should trip from the final. And they have Henry among each other for depends on winter or, but I notice is not reality. Yeah. I know TJ wanted they no money. I got income diamond enter you on it. But enter the model is by half of, you know, it's a, you know, he he's given hair cut the whole way vision, you know, he give. Sal, head gut if forty what's his name Jimmy Rivera near cut if not Jerusalem haircut. He's become the biz Barbara news in just is very hard to deny him. Thilo show at this point career, make no sense. But he's place. If one flight left that conflict is I'm it run. Listen, I think the individual right now. Amidst great cody's comeback got got Henry's. Right there. Right there. It's it's a it's it's a good place to be Marlin took place to be Henry and just have one unless not enter the understand that business run. When I went to so many great lives. I understand that will have to fight right right ender. They everybody. No. When they lied. I'm gonna be home than egg is going to be running the show. I'm just gonna watch TV. But you know, this is not about me. Like, I said, I'm master servant. The are my masters and every individual dream Marin have a dream in reality good. You have a dream. They all have endor- the they're gonna fight for victory. They have to fight each other. They confide. What he thinks happened with the flyweight division. Are they getting rid of it? They listen like people aren't gonna say they're going to get intimate. If they'll got rid of it that would enter goodbye another chance more nitrite bring TJ down because they thought you should have shot, right? Unless if somebody's going to all the seaway what Henry to lose at the end of the day, the you'll see can whatever they want. I don't know what they want. Right. But it's your job to win is your job to loose. But you control you on vested. I think Henry controls on destiny, and he went out there and knocked out teaching three times not point five enter punches. And these guys I wanna remix my opinion doesn't do is over. He's just my opinion. And I think if eight talk is in Kleiber. Dila Charlotte people the the greatest bantamweight of all the time is dominant groups is not teacher delegation. If he could to cut called, you the funds good he was beating and you got the punch, but you want, but he's not the greatest with all the time in I think Dominic Cruces. But what are you gonna do in than if you're saying that house? He what's he gonna do to mess bodies. Pretty okay. I'm gonna get a new contract. And he's got he's gonna fight for the moment. Marley. All right. Okay. Let me talk to you about last week your clients even made off Zubaira Abu Bakar, they got their suspensions. Connor got his suspension as well. Be gets. Nine months, if he wants six months films as PSA and five hundred thousand and then buck Tobia get a year and twenty five thousand do you feel like Nevada was fair? Do you feel like they got it? Right. I'm I'm gonna return about this because I really liked by you know, the. Understatement. We have a lot of respect for him. But I know about it doesn't make this go the decision to make recommendations in listen under. They I'm not gonna see it is what it is. You know, we have to move forward. But you know, this is very simple. You know, he said his finding Vada anymore. And we know how much is is very hard to change his mind. I think was very very hard survivor, and we'll go to get year. Listen, I'm going with community. It is what it is. You have to make an example site, but how you gonna give how you're going to be other and get this Irish prostitute. In this little is little Irish. And the guy is nice. I frankly about second us through like ripple on the fan of amid the as. You know, the guy jumped on the case of these three times like it. You know? I don't know. I really don't do it. But in the date of his mind, I'm going to support him one hundred percent Nevada. I need to do. They look to go. We have to they have to. We're ready when we read bracing under fifty thousand a check between divide on the lawyer. So have you made by ramp way through this guys they make five twenty five gonna penalty. Right. And is great because they hubby paintings. I'm more as early but at the end of the day, I want to I truly wanted. After Campbell from the redoubt. He's dealing done. I went to Jayme lawyer smelly. You know, the the Nevada. Listen, it was a lot of work with lot of drama. Let's the mayor was there. And I think that was the biggest problem and one of the biggest sports events by events in Oregon was huge response in Nevada idea about a. They they didn't have fairly that entry about fairly know that I'll be but they didn't Auerbach via for right? This is my. So you told me that you told me that he's going to sit out for a year while his friends are suspended and he's gonna pay their fine. And he's hoping to return Madison Square Garden in November. If that remains to be true, who do you think he'll fight? It hasn't Tony Ferguson. Right. I want something different. What do you want? What I want? Lied about doesn't math. Tony. Again. That's you know, listen, you'll see what they do right now. They they run up more. Right. They understand they need to get caught a backward. They got a match with Lael like cover. Somebody knew got her have a chance to be. I don't think. It's easy fight. But. But ender they. In the process. Maybe have you moved. And after that Connor again for the final because this be real. This is the biggest rematch with. But the little run. If it smashed again. Will get smashed again him and his own fire punky that will get opened in inside the cage outside the faith in the parking love, Michelle. Our you don't don't drop a so bitty snow out. They just. That would not speak us. But what about Tony arena has to be Tony? Listen, listen stories is the thirty six years old tweak. This is what he is any twig. He could drop a refi guys of implemented. The guy blocked me one day off while the hard lots of his views radio. Right. But only think it would be one of the be fought Marvel's. What have been spreading bits? That is brought I like with we just so up Winker. It got the lead. Right. And oh, that'd be be the real estate night. Those the guy we've been as right, but I think in guys get an order one of the greatest bouncer qualified. Israeli. Number show, everything. Tony's Sony's Donis, whatever don't. British having fights NT ninety nine but is almost beaten. He will not me. But if you think is the line, I think that'd be will be Tony fauria an out again. All I really believe. So we beat up doesn't matter. This have conceded only God. He that this man can have defeated. I said last night last week. We saw another one of your clients come out with men another one getting title shot. It seems like Ben aspirin is under his skin is focused on Tyron Woodley here. What's going on there? We saw the footage of them confronting each other where he confronted him. What's happening there? Let me explain to me. I mean, I was poisoned bad outside right poisoned. What do you mean poison? Yes. Somebody like him somebody tried to kill you. Yeah. New York who. Bites. Somebody tried to poison legit. You think someone poisoned what your food your drink? I don't know. I was I was in hospital to what kind of poison. Doesn't matter somebody. That's right. The poison someone kill you. Yes. I'm trying to. Yes. How do you feel about that doesn't matter? I said if you my friend a loving more, my friend, go come around me because I'm a lesson. You think it's one of your friends at did this. No, I don't think it's my faith. But listen, it is what it is it happened. Well, listen people being tried to kill him for years, but I'm stealing. She's Louise are you? Okay. Now. Yeah. The reason why because the news Rovan for two thousand eighteen specter game, I respect the I don't think I'm bigger than the game. Okay. But yes. You were saying Roseman my own my face. Yeah. The modeling code enery. Frankie of your smart this guys they run. I don't remember. Two thousand eighteen the headers simple. So what's happening with this aspirin? Is that the next fight regardless? Listen ender that I was being told cookie. Covington Nike get Donald Trump. Knicks. You know, I was dying by smart have intention, nor is asking, you know, this baskin's nice guy. He's a he's final. No. And sometime, you know? I know smart brought on Microsoft's Frank. On of my. Doesn't play. He doesn't play around and you can't leave Africa. You cannot leave African understand because he was there a third and Brian the security Ben estrin will have a print inside his head through the wall. I'm telling you he was gonna do. I was not there that I got there. I police he said I'm gonna work on doesn't matter. But I'm glad over there over there. Because you don't listen as. You know, he wants to be an interested. Right. But are interested in that sometime. You put so much smoke out again inhaler, and that's what he did on even ice used by cell phone or smart, again, I thought a conversation with him his bag you need, a sub was our bed. Nobody back them up. He's a nice lead vastly. He's a nice guy. But he's a nasty guy. Like like, he always looked on recovering unsecure south. I let him. But you cannot sick smile, and he see you gonna is just how you talk to your nightmare. That was African men. Is different culture different. Nobody will come from an I'm asking is that with the wall was he was gonna do it. I know. Okay. Let me ask you about some of your other clients here because you've got a lot that I want to ask you about Frankie. Edgar is. He gonna fight for the belt next. Izzy funny max Holloway, far as you're concerned. Brank you're fighting Mets Halloween. Everybody. Oh, Frankie the whole entire sports over again. You know, listen. I'm Joe more respect. You know, that might not have problem the vast. Thank if he's respect hoping is right of your spent an this relationship way before. Under understand cranky you've ever data. He did a comeback. We've Cup, you know, see, my no specified, although there show you out go out. But I think supervise a seat in the future of our like other Marlboro as a thing. Yeah. That'd be fun. I'll let you see I've got a lot of spec album. But we see what was the. Has. A now you have clear cut number one contender. You know, w does not fight Matt's opportunity radio. He didn't make when we moved off. Right. I don't think going like. But this does not deserve to be. What are you talking about though, he doesn't he's these suck lose winning streak? Rather doesn't matter doesn't matter win streak light. But even fight him. But at the end of the. I think I think the only person is like a white sheet is have no spice got cheap at sunglasses as what what you represent even present. You. Didn't present nothing. You know, these guys Connor euro present he represents the biggest piece scumbag. All right. That's who was only present. He's like a blank piece of paper, you gonna Bory? But you know, he's a fighter, but I think is over over Stein Stein. His odes low. The is reduced getting released. He was on the show last week. He wants to be released as getting. I'm going to something that. Yeah. Ever do commission will see whatever would be personally lead command loan, deeper, Zuma alone. And I'm sorry. I was been every time I have or I don't I'm broke minimum speed in this absolute legend from sport this lead guy of overnight almost be forty two. You know was that we know how about. Headquarters. Let's say that's what I. You know, resigned was out his whole bunch unsecure, man. They trade that that you know that the recital. I don't was I was out of fake Olympia askew. As you know, we always talk about this thing you made the joke early on about how you run the Iran PF L, you're soon going to be running Bella Tor. You know, so funny. Yeah. Fucking asked me why you never asked me you have been telling ten years in the game, the only guy ever left his cycles. I managed over thirty world champion. Nobody ever. I get more support anybody. He'd never asked me. I feel like we've talked about this. Why always asked me about some? Enervate was what when we did yesterday yesterday about the show coming sessions around there. Because the theory seems to be that now that because you testified on behalf of the U of C about not making the pays the payments public that this is why they give you all these title shots coming gasoline. Comorros men is that true today say to you. You testified our behalf we'll give you all these title shots. That's what everyone seems to be saying these days, that's the new theory. You know, it's not about what I believe. It's about what the truth. What's the truth? Does the what bro? Listen to me. I been asking for this or for years have been doing it for and they say exactly what you've been going for you. I'm gonna say you don't think get by headed. Fuck. I over time. You don't you know, I wish on all the the guy had me was make really arguably, right? Listen, I hunted knives. Let me read I whose reign more than all of them. Right was raised a fucking hard headed mother one thing. Let me let me make something clear. John fake, unlike right, I trained with him spiraled him. But how funds on said these guys cannot be a million about five four millionaire? There got a million dollars each. Listen, get the respect respect be everybody. The whole thing as business manager. Maven promoted with Omar guys. Put your guys where guys the best for that rear. And a lot of great manager. They're not all of some of you know, the whole thing is I'm only I don't care. What everybody does. I don't if they think I will see if they think would be a fair fight just what I wanna work on if she do. But it's ridiculous. You know covering Guzman. Run was pending Nasmyth just beat jock Carita, Chris wideman. Understood is a great match when Mon get a shot. If you were going to say. Listen, the respect. Smashing. They'll strive to make these on beat him and kick him out of the C. You don't think I know? Arm told would love when it got released revenue went to MC what he goes stalking about. You know, I'm listen what I'm doing? I mean, the business of killing people. Right. That's what Rabaul on new so. Right. Who's been supporting Ray Ray runoff fighting? When he told you. Right. Yeah. Resort. Also. Right. This man who have been supportive, right? I don't talk about what I do. Because you lose the good team with me about your understand. But ended amendments I understand, listen, if you if you if you might support me, thank you so much for me you. S it. I don't care. I used to bothered him. Oh, this is some. See some I can give a flight. You know, I understand platform of the world holiday is me is BSN but enter that. Hey, no, I'm I'm crumble from Egypt. Vince Russo much in my life. I can never measure the use it to buy old missing. Give me respect. He worked so hard because say, whatever. I worked so hard. I worked so hard. Nobody can wait for me. But this is not about me. Colin crony, these these none of is not about me. I league we have to we. We are at a time. I'm sorry to cut it short. But it's a good to talk to you. As always, I hope you feel better. See Miller with is. I'll rob row. All right. You heard it here. First. Thank you out there. Okay. Don't get don't get poison you safe. All right. We need you. Okay. There is a liability is all fired up. All right. Let's move on to our next guest patiently standing by Liane Edwards fighting Nelson on March sixteenth in London England. Let's go to these machine and say Hello to Leon rock Edwards. Leon I'm sorry for keeping you waiting. I don't know if you heard our last answer, but when like five minutes long Lee likes to talk. So I apologize about that. Olga in good. Yes. I'm doing very well. My friend good to talk to you are we so I know that last week you Darren kinda stole the show, but you have a fight on your hands against very tough guy in Gunnar Nelson. Are you now are you now of kinda putting the Darren stuff behind you and just going to focus on governor? Because he's no slouch as you know. Exactly exactly on the faction of prescribe fronts on telling telling the guys that was the fight to making that was it. You know what I mean? So now, I'm hundred percent folks gonna Nelson became the monster. You know mean so that's why haven't you fought Leon since June of last year. Why has it been so long to get you? I mean by the time you fight. It's going to be almost nine months. Yeah. Now, I'm not in December. Russell George muscle except to the fight. And then he pulled out says it wants to fight Nittany as in the as hasn't that didn't happen. So now now we are. And so was it a little weird sitting right next to Vidal as you were talking about him. You guys were sitting right next to each other. Was that awkward? Now, I couldn't flying heritage on. Speaking faction used to fight may than it is what it is here now about good good for handgun announcing after being seven seven winning streak that that's behind the scenes because he didn't say much while the whole thing was going on behind the scenes did might as well say anything to you. It didn't say much funding because it was the same hotel together as my. Lift came down. It was stunned the right lane frontally. Wow. What? No, no, nothing was said. I went my way is that was it to the best here knowledge. What has the you have C told you about why they didn't give you the Darren terrified because it did seem like a no brainer was England versus England. Birmingham versus Liverpool. It seemed like the perfect fight for that venue. Why didn't they end up giving it to you? Do you know? For more of of the the mention it to tell didn't wanna fight. Yes. It came to me told me that they're overbuilt both guys in Denver fun line. So does the plan to building bills of kit winning make bigger find down the line, initially when you found out you weren't getting the main event, how disappointed were you? I was passed said gonna Nelson is still is a big night me and gonna Nelson been around since the Bama days in Europe on his find new rhythm same show together. Mentioned together about then. So now to get get the opportunity to him now on India to prove a point in the best well to in your no wanting to well, so we'll say do you feel like gun or Nelson? Even though he's not as highly ranked as until is arguably tougher than Darren till. Yeah. Upper edge. Dr until technical was like, I said don't striker is ten those star. Because in the UK that finds exactly like Darren tells you going announcing he brings over different title. Coming knows today. You come to shoot down getting back in go for the already looking forward to it. He looked phenomenon is last fight has his his body was changed. He was you know, he has looked good in the past in the you have C, but just what he had done as far as conditioning was concerned that you see his last fight in Toronto. And were you impressed with what you saw there. Assorted I didn't did nothing different than why normally those awfully up into that point. When got wind got albuque-. You know what I mean? I feel more than what it was because the blood the blood technically defend is actually that. There is a fight. Right. You know, main silence from what it was. But it did look good in referred to the challenge is fair to say that if all goes well, March sixteenth for you that you you want the winner of the main event is that what you want. Are you setting your sights passed the winter? Make sense win a much much six doesn't make sense ossified winner. Go from there been seven five out of beta winner, again industry Lynn taller shop. That's my point for five months again in June, July and an entity should be tied contender has UFC told you if you get by Gunnar that that's what they're gonna give you are there are they telling you what their plan is for you. And then they mentioned into that's my in my head. And that's my focus. Was it uncomfortable for you, or because you know, you're pretty mild mannered guy. But you were talking a lot like that wasn't the typical Leon Edwards that we've seen in the past at these media vents. Did you say to yourself? Okay. I need to make some noise here. Or was that just you being a little bit annoyed and feeling that you had to speak up. Other speaking up in the snake, in fact, like I said, everyone everyone everyone social media knew that was to make telling offense. That was a fight to make main little verses? Bam. Bam. The number the contenders in the UK could only be one snake? You know what I mean? So that's all the time. This is prove is the number one in in in the from there, but summer is dead in want it you're not gonna Nelson. Do you feel like you have to speak up more to get those bigger fights that that at the end of the day in this game? Having a colorful personality being outlandish being the squeaky wheel that gets the is that what you need to do to take you to that next step off air. Copiers ago winning enough. No more you what I mean. Mean after like end time ender today. So yes to entertain the tool to be loud. And I don't feel winning is enough. No more in Indio say does that bum. You out now is it is okay to allocate with it. Anyway. Kiewit in personality. I was surprised to degree just given the fact that you fight there that your your brother Fabian, who's turning into one of the best prospects in the UK ended up signing with with Bela Tor, not the UFC how did that go down? And why did he ultimately choose Bill tour over the sea? I know kidding in his own don't finger domain all to for ever whatever he likes over there. If they find the next is fine on battle of this weekend, fundamental versus sixteen fight. On the five or no the kids the savage in. I'm looking forward to go out there and performance showing the while just goodies. Will you be at that fight? Yeah. According to a corner of every fight, okay? Kimball ado, ever five probably more nerve racking than your own fights. That's that's what I hear that the worst exactly like it. 'cause I control you can control it. What happens is obtained that in itself. It's magic as much are you bringing in anyone different to try to mimic Gunnar style. Not only his his ground game. But his striking styles a little bit different. Are you going to bring in any different training partners new training partners to try to mimic him? Grand gamewise. I'm also count need him. But I'm going struck. And was like I said. This strike is ten of a dozen people or or the one main trading partners. That's trying to go to Nelson and conga just of his game in been watching for many years. Now, I kind of know what can accomplish where's your Patrick Ewing? Poster by the way. Now maroon now. Okay. All right. I I didn't think he put it up for the interview. Right. I thought it was a fixture. Well, i'm. A poster. Okay, perfect. Also, don't turn your back on the Phil Jamaican. My man, you know, you've got the power of Patrick behind you. Nothing can go wrong. Exactly exactly drugs are Jamaica. Enjoy why you can. That's right. That's right. I'm looking forward to what a great, you know, double header that is as far as main event combing event Darren till versus where he must Liane Edwards versus go to Nelson. Tremendous fights at one hundred seventy pounds March sixteenth at the o two in London. I believe tickets are almost sold out if they're not sold out already. So it's going to be a great atmosphere coming up in just a month and a half time, and that's on ESPN plus here in America. Thanks for doing this Leon. Appreciate it. Bus of luck and training care. Good. Yup. There is rocky Edwards aka Leon Edwards is brother Fabian Edwards competing for Bill tour this weekend as well. As you said, but March sixteenth that goes down in London on ESPN. Plus there are some of the notable fights that you can see on that card and look at that prelims at twelve main card at three pm on ESPN plus Darren till versus for hey Maswadeh. Leeann Edwards versus gutter Nelson also of note Volkan Ozdemir against Dominic Ray of very important fight at two hundred five pounds and. And of course, fight that was just announced Martine versus Joe Duffy also taking place on that card. All right. Let's move along. And talk about you'll see two thirty four in my opinion. It's a to fight card as far as big names are concerned. There's the main event Robert Whittaker's is coming gasline, but the people's main event, my friends is in the Komen event, and it's Anderson Silva versus Israel out of Sonya, and it goes down this Saturday night on pay per view from Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne Australia. Joining us now via the magic Skype. How cool is this? I believe he just woke up the one and only Israel the last style bender out of Sonya joins us right now Israel. How are you? Good morning. Morning. I really appreciate you doing this. Did you just wake up? Yeah. Without any help. Just go by myself on the board. Wow. What a legend. Are you noy that you that you had to wake up early? It's easy already a up anyway. So yeah, who has a little bit a little bit. So I can on. Because for this. I appreciate you doing very much. I know it's like seven thirty in the morning over there in Melbourne. So thanks so much for doing it Israel. It is finally here this week is here this is. I mean, this to me feels like like, I said the people's main event, it's so fascinating style match of the backstory all that stuff in more. What does it feel like does it really feel like your typical flayed or does this one feel a little different a little more special? Honestly being like hundred just feels like a regular fight while just being yet being here now number by week soon as I act up yesterday ready to leave my whole body just knows or we do this shit again. All right. And then it just goes into the same team same mode. So it was just like another five. I heard a story Israel that you had to go to Sydney to see Dana white and convinced him to put you on this card and to make this fight against Anderson that they wanted to save you for another card is that true. Yeah. Are supposed to headline the ESPN card. But yeah, I think it was at first I wanted to Anderson or shocker array shocker was to from the Chris Wiedeman fight in those too close. So yeah, I was ready to go New York. But I kinda just put my idea better. And yet didn't like my I was just me and him small room and talk about maybe forty minutes. And yeah. I'm very persuasive. All's able to changes mind, I would imagine that you didn't only talk about Anderson for forty minutes. What else did you guys speak about? Spoke about a few things need to know basis. What I'm talking about? What happens after the fight? We talked about me fighting, you know, 'cause I think I wouldn't point while we're talking while. I was speaking. He looked at me and said, I always like that. And I said look data this hit my first rodeo, I'm not like, you know, one of these kids in the UFC too quickly. Like I've been doing this for a long time. So Yankee have looked the moose knuckle and the. And the. That we just talked about life as well a little bit. And just. Yeah. It was cool. It would meeting was that your first extended sit down with Dana. Yeah. My first extended sit down with him on interested in. Yeah. It was good. Because I remember you saw him at the club right in Vegas. Yeah. That was why after two to six meet him. I'm make I just kind of walk into the wrong room by accident. Yeah. We just kinda stood around talks shit. Then I go to 'cause you know business. Yes. You have to leave them wanting more. So what do you say about after the fight? What happens? You'll see if they should stay tuned. I can't take much, but what I wanna do is. I just want to bring back some some disaster fighting possess. So things are going to play out the way I plan then. Yeah, I wanna I wanna -rupt out on light up reliever arena and exploded at the end. Could he gives a hint here? I mean, usually someone would say like oh title shot. But that seems a little more a little more involved at our light up road labor arena. And okay. So. Boehm the whole played explode. So yeah. In time in time patients real is it imperative that rob would occur winds on Saturday slash Sunday for this plan to play out the way you wanted to does it involve him. I'd like him to win. I feel like if he wins. Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna win. Just if you can play that look at the division the way it set up looking at division. Yes. I mean. Yeah. Just fus- called in Santa portions of elimination. I can't say to all the as clutch wigging. You lynn. No, no, no. But Anderson has come out and said that he was promised a title shot. So I would assume the same stipulation is on the table for you. Aegon addict only taking this fight, which is cool. And I like I like, yeah. I like that he go Honey dick they can fight with the title shot and in another universe in another like time line. If he beats me, then I think he deserves the shock 'cause I am the guy that I feel like, you know, if he can beat me in another time line in another like dimension that yes, he deserves every everyone at a title shot American flight, rob Kelvin in run off into the sunset. That's another time line in this timeline in this game. Where on play a one, it's different. So yeah, he only dick regardless. Taking the fight. For those that don't know what does that term mean? Could you explain that? I got it from the movie with Seth Rogan. And it's a one about king going on. The interview only dick like ten like a rope a dope only con. Yeah. Con. Like a FOX dislike dangle a or this. Do you think? Anderson respects you. That's a different question. Do I respect? I don't know. I don't know. But I don't know. I don't really care. I think he's nice guy troll. Just like me. So yeah, I don't really buy all this Isla waiting for the as we as say though at the whole. Leading up to it. And then in the fight Mickey as went full on the as at him. So, yeah, I'm before the fire whatever, I'm cool. He's cool. But in the fight. Essay member, go pool retard retard. So what kind of Anderson do you expect to see he hasn't fought in two years initially? I don't know if you saw when this fight was announced everyone was like, oh, what a mistake in my hurting your ears. What's happening? Then my hurting. Hotel. You find talking, you know, I it's always interesting at forty three what kind of fight you're gonna see especially with the long layoff on. I know everyone's going to say, oh, you know, preparing for the best Anderson boat. But but honestly, what kind of Anderson? Are you expecting a slower Anderson, and how do you describe what you're expecting to fight? So initially enersen did not take the fight initially. He said he didn't want to fight in the end that was around the Friday men by the Sunday. I got a call from Eugene. They said said, yes what he means. And ascending said he has what for me? I knew that they made him offer you can't refuse. That's when later came out like he on the dick title shot. But but what I heard I can't I dunno McManus said he spoke to his all-talk would on taekwondo coach or something. And he told them to take the fight because it's a good challenge. So actress to believe that rather than you know, he's just doing this for the title shot. I just to believe the fact that he wants to take those he really wants to test himself even at forty three years old. And I think I'm gonna bring back the Amazon bold it by is probably trained the best prep the Bessis ever practically in last few fights. I think he's been board is been bored. Everyone's trying to take him down. You know, a nine finds a guy who wants to strike with him. Like with him. And. Yeah. So I think he's gonna come and be free. We can play the GameBoy one other thing. Yes. So I keep hearing a psych all my God. Anicent in this part of destroyed this and that I might look let him use TRT. I don't really have. But when talking about his age, they kept on equipment him to rob. What's his name Chuck Ladele 'cause the kind of announce around the same time the same fight? This is not the same quite and also out of yoga metal. He's like forty one. I think at this point. Okay. So when he fought rubber with good twice. And I would it beat him twice. A one was dry. Can't remember? Said are twice. He said one said all remembers to all you only beat up. So when I be NS it's going to be like you beat up all, but what rove Whitaker. He's the remember twice. So I understand what the disparity is like they're on the same AU. Why they give me beating up a legend. I mean, iron k the way, but that was or something I thought interesting like they come in at me. Like, I've decided I'm just gonna I didn't know he was going to be around at this time. But now that he's here. I have to take this fight because it's destiny. Those in my shoes running shoes wouldn't understand? Do you think you'll be clean in this fight? I don't care. I don't know. I don't look anything. Could it doesn't need to prove anything users doing this. 'cause he wants to do the great show for his people. And so yeah. You know? Was that? I know I like you're lying saying that, you know, he's a troll. I'm a bigger troll. And that's why I feel like a scenario might play out on on Saturday night where you are actually like mimicking him and doing his games. No one's ever done. Like, the Anderson to Anderson, I feel like, you know, as soon as possible. Have you not thought of that scratch that okay, go do the Israel. I decided to end the get that. Right. All right law h mimic him on him. I'll be you. Go back to my first flight when I was just a wild stallion when I didn't know really much about distance. When no about things when I didn't know about shifting shift hitting timing on. I was in the round with people. I was slapping people in the ass tapping them on the back of their head looking in the crowd dollars. How I fought Melges just how I played the game because it was fun. I was having on trolling. So yeah, I wanted to. I mean, you can try and troll me. But well, I grew up with intimate. So I'm a big troll. Him. So we we've talked in the past after your last fight about your former fo- who did you twice outs per Hedda coming out and talking smack. He actually brought him to his training camp and train with him for this fight. What do you make of that? Song yesterday yesterday was. Each yesterday saw his way at the hotel. I went outside to go try and grab it. And I won't back in see of van see them coming off the van, and it was all them. I think there was shocked to see me just standing there waiting for them. And they shook ones where they gonna do. What's Pereria do form for this camp or go to go hit it with a left hook, bro? And you're gonna fall. Okay. It just did it to like try shake me. But like guy, he's a troll. So that's a tool move. I don't care. Whatever helps you sleep at night. It's gonna have them in the corner while yelling shit to me Portuguese or really bad English. I don't know. And I can't really get anything. Anyway, they're saying, so I listen, my corona here Eugene's voice, air Andres voice. And I hit twister yelling. All those are the only thing I hear while. I fight. So. Yeah. I don't know. They can they can do whatever they want. It's normal. When you when you saw those guys did you say anything to them or did they say anything to you? I looked unlimited looked and it was like seven of them understanding their bare feet shorts on the on. Kinda looked homeless. So I don't know what they I don't know. What it what they made of the over? Just like, I don't know. Have you faced off with him yet? Was this Anderson? Have you guys done a like a face off yet? I've never met him in my life. Wow. When's the first one it has to be coming up today or tomorrow, right? I think the press conference on Friday. Okay. So what I've heard personal Friday, but been on the Oakland workout as well Thursday, and I'm probably seen with over workout. And yeah, I know I'll see him at some point. Such a skin Mitchell is real you'll limiting bleeds can kill him. It's a it's such a fascinating thing. Because I can't like if I would have told Israel to send you watched Anderson Silva beat Patrick hotel. You have see ninety that you'd be fighting him at Rod Laver Arena in two thousand nineteen you probably wanted to believe me, right? Elmo on alike. Zeal be done by then us looking priding to forty two. So yeah, I mean, he's still here. He's still with it. You know, the bingo hall number men and a half. Like he lost flight calling me. Hold up. It. Flipped you. Sorry. No problem. Yeah. Sorry. Another call on the scoring Skype man in the middle of our interview for scammy ish out rude. Yeah. Also after the workout is it at a may wear help. Oh, yeah. I have I have all the information. You want me to say it air for are. You can eat employ it up plug it up. Engage fight wear meeting greet this Thursday, the seventh of February from seven pm to eight thirty pm at the MA fight store at mobile and CD there it is you see that look at a little poster we've got there. Graphic graphic. We got the hashes my guy. I gotta hook up my guy Israel to Sonya Kyra, France and Shane young. We'll all be there. Check it out this Thursday, February seven from seven to eight thirty pm local time that's local in Melbourne. So check that out you'll be there. That's like two days before your fight. Yeah. It was right after the open workout so wrath over workout. Okay. We'll head over there to some stuff to the people get some babies small away their whole possess and then. Yeah. From my away and also. Yeah, it'd be heaps of merchants while by the way, okay? On sale. All we inform now starting now and they make like store. All right, there there have you played this fight out in your mind times. Like even dating back to when you some calling you again what's going on? Again. It must be Anderson. It must be Anderson. Trying to troll out. It's its own call Jessica rose for three or four answer. You ensign gonna knock out what flight near you bomb out even got my Skype. Call. Can I just make sure I guess go ahead? This is the craziest thing maybe it's just gross Clark. Maybe it's just Garot's Clark trying to troll enters to be Israel at assign. You a random person calling Israel and telling him that he's going to get knocked out while apparently not liking the the stuff that they who was it was it was it just rose Clark. I have no idea who it was. It was just some maim Skype. Name mice got like a whole code matrix type thing. Yeah. So they call. Yeah. Where people aware of men. Can I just ask have you played out this fight in your mind? A million times even like when you were found like what if I did fight Anderson. This is how it would go. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna end this. I'm gonna block them. I'm gonna block them. I don't know. How to do this? You could still talk. We will. Yeah. Talk. You see me? Yeah. Yeah. We're all good. Don't worry about it. You'll come back. Have you played it on your mind? Like you already. See the way this fight is gonna go. Coli shit this person. I'm so sorry area. I don't know how to block people pry, I'm giving law walk. That is weird man. Okay. Where at this time of all. Yeah. Spare seat the nerve Anderson sending? He's on all levels. See Follett Trump already like games, I've been gone. So I was just out of my head for the find out of my head like all the time all scenarios, and I haven't said on the countdown look. Wanna engage clip. I said like a lot of people situation. I did be too nervous to between nervous to open up because they feel like what if I fail, but for me personally out of if I go in there, and I just like like this just rose person says get flying need in the first ten seconds, again knocked out that suck. I mean. But what I really wanna do. I don't care about win the losses. Will I really wanna do this show off in this fight? I really wanna show off. I wanna show who I am. I want to show a lot more my skills than I did in the brats of ours. Fight the breadth of ours fight, I went end I like shadow some shit and mice some, you know, I mean, I should strong was fast hours, creative. I was so in this light, I wanna do more of that. None of my favorite final latch, brats Avars fight around five rounds or one times. So this. Yeah. I mean, even to the second round, I'll be happy. I can't wait great stuff Israel. Thanks for doing this. Again. I really appreciate it. Best of luck this week. Best of luck. In the flight. It's going to be amazing Israel Sonya versus Anderson Silva, one of the most intriguing fights at the put together in quite some time this Saturday here in America, you to thirty four fun stuff Israel, much respect. My man. We'll talk to you after the fight Joel that era Hawaii thank all the Jessica person mama block them on a call back after New York scar on blast kept fucking with me in the realizing that put him on a screw mcchord him. Then. I put him on blast out my flight. I might do the same thing with this. Yes. Do it. And let it. I got myself into. Or fight week. It's a wedding game. Now. So fuck with the trolls to tell us how does later there is the last style bender himself, and again, you can see him Kaikoura France, Shane young this Thursday, February seventh at the enemy fights stores. Seven PM to eight thirty pm. Okay. So that's the Coleman event main event is Kelvin gasoline challenging for a belt for the first time be middleweight title against Robert Whitaker rubber Whitaker finally gained that opportunity to defend his title in his home country of Australia. And how exciting this kind enough to join us so early in the morning over there in Sydney, I do believe I do believe he leaves tomorrow here. He is the man himself Robert Whittaker Robert how are you? Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Have. There's a pleasure. Thanks. What you're doing this? And I'm my right tomorrow. You are going to to Melbourne Sydney right now. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. I've been out of the unfor- as long as I have been. She's just unbelievable. And so we all remember what happened leading up to what was supposed to be your first time defending your, title and Australia last year, and it was just all kinds of things bad bad stuff happening. We're things happening. Where are you the superstitious type or either type that was kind of stress throughout this training camp hoping that nothing goes wrong? It seems like we've made it. Okay. But where you kind of freaked out by last year's experience. You know, I think it wasn't because it wasn't just because of she's experienced. It's every father's experience to be on us like anything that can go along real Rome. It's just a matter of trying to mitigate that. And and and work around whatever, you know, what is happening. So how did this camp? Go. Caymans? Great can't great. You know on matters to take a lotta boxes. Hitler skill gaps and gay, you know, put it in all the work, not another. None of my skill sets in for these fight. But like with a lot of my other projects with the Gracie program, you never polish and doing a lot of that stuff. What programs? Are you talking about for those that don't know? Well, we have a we we run on average crises Parkway program that that we run out of the gym and have a few business on that will come that. And go in there and do some mentoring on the side when you're always focusing on the father of mission training. Would it be fair to call that like was this something that you dreamed of being a champion defending your belt in Australia? Was this something like when you're planning your career, man, this this is an experience that I want to have here about the have it this weekend? Was that something that you thought of and dreamed of? Yeah. It's a it's a huge mall from the, you know, one one of the big Balsam for me was the first one was I wanted to get the building and bring it on. And you know, a fortune enough to to do that. And I guess the next step was to defend the boat that on and you rea- she after two straight fights against a guy who's built like a brick house Yoel Romero, and I aimed at the fight of the year last year one of the rounds of the year, you you took shots from him at the fight him back to back drop to you. Come back, all that you break your hand in the fight after that experience does feel like you could do anything now because I can't imagine anything worse than going. You know, ten rounds against you over Maryland winning both of them, but taking his best shots, it sort of feels like at this point. You could do anything. Do you feel the same? Thank you for that. By the way, you'll ran rear part of the luck. Appreciate that acknowledgement and gay or said, it said it before that their division should be dissuaded by the fact that I took Ramirez best shorts. Afford him for ten rounds. Fifty minutes of farting and come with win to us injured birth thoughts. You know, I. I'm not to be underestimated. I'm not going anywhere. You know? And you you need to come in there with we'd be best game. Join technique. Your last week fights against Romero. The other fight against jock race, Ozaka all killers all grade. Opponents you consider Kelvin on their level. It's still feels like he maybe doesn't get the attention and respect that he deserves at one hundred eighty five pounds. Do you consider them to be equally as tough, maybe even tougher than those guys? Yeah. Definitely, you know, they definitely doesn't get the the prophecy deserves. He doesn't get the look those. But you know, always oh that guy. And and look what I did. No. I on very aware that he school said, very good. He's very well rounded, but a big thing. I think that would be rose at he's tough. He's hungry. He's young. And you know, three combinations of any fighters is is dangerous. I would argue that I think that you're the most underrated. You have see champion right now, you have taken that thrown from perhaps to Beatrice Johnson or Daniel Cormie from year or two ago that you still don't get the attention that you deserve. And I know you've always said that you don't care about that stuff that you know, the belt is just the thing. You're just going out there trying to win as many fights. You're not here for all the attention. But my onto something here. Like like, if you were being honest with yourself, you don't get the same kind of attention as the other champions. Do you agree? Yeah. I done. But again. It makes it all the more funds. So go out there, and then sure people and convincing that. Yeah. You know, I'm I'm the real deal lose up with Dana white saying recently that you don't do media. Every time I asked you to come on you come on. What was up with that? He was I felt like he was almost blaming it on you know, he'll feel the. We lost communication, you know, between some stuff on these and whatnot. I always try to jump at media can even like, I'm always. So you use hoping that always responded to to to doing any of that. They're the anything that have a problem is when they want me to to miss a training session to hit an interview. And I'm like, whoa. You want me to win fun. So. Kinda rake one. But if you work around me like we get it done. You know, what I mean, you're always to work, and we live on the opposite sides of the good. So. Does seem like you cleared the Dana because he was in Australia to I guess award. You the G Q was it the sportsman of the year was that was that the award that you receive from him back at the twenty eight teen. Was and is a very honorable occasion. So so what what is that the like is it just the best athlete in Australia? I think it's just okay and not standing sort of a ward for for for the sports category. You know, they g netting over very prestigious magazine and throughout to receive that, you know, we're moving into the the law of like you mind, shrimp. Sports nail. Is was unreal. Did you get a chance to sit down with Dana and clear the air? Oh, yeah. We we spoke and. Yeah. Every every everything guns. We'd like I said, it was just you know, Mr. mutation. Okay. Are you getting I know you're not in Melbourne right now. But from what I understand the tickets sold out very quickly. And it feels to me like, you know, the the top fights are really, you know, the marquee fights on this card. They're both in the same way. Classes, you know, you got Anderson there, but Israel there you've got you there. It feels like this is all about the middleweight division. And it's all being led by you. You are the face of this card, and in many respects, do you get the sense even from home in Sydney that this is a really big deal. Or will you only truly understand that and feel that once you get to Melbourne tomorrow? Now, it is be deal. You know, this is my country and become champion them on soil. You know, this is that your if you're combat sports fan. This is this is the far to watch. This is the price to be. So, you know, go into this fight with with those pressures, and knowing that this is, you know, this is my stage. And this is my mom lot. It's yeah. You know, it's just it's just what it is one of the things. I know you're focused on Kelvin in your true professional. But in the combing event, we do have is rod Sonya versus Anderson Silva and both are implying that if they win they get the fight. You are you hoping that one wins over the other? I really take sides that the division. I think it'll be hard fought. I think you know, both both guards are very very dangerous. So they're definitely curious to see how these had that fought piji. Yep. Yeah. Always looked on on on pilgrim fathers. You know, probably even blink. Oh, positive for a second. Take me out of focus on infidel. Who do you think is gonna win that fight can ask you that Israel or Anderson? I think I think innocent I think Israel would have been hard to innocent in since day and think hurting innocent. This point. So. Yeah. You know, I guess, that's my opinion. But if if anyone can pull off somebody spectacular and out of the blue and silver, so it feels like at least from your answer that you're leaning towards Israel is that accurate? Oh, it would have to say it would be five it. Okay. And Kirk me from wrong, a fight e regardless of who Anderson is and his history and his passes champion a fight between you and Israel in Australia or even a New Zealand, but I would imagine it would be in Australia because you're the champion would be a bigger fight than you've versus Anderson. Is that accurate? To be honest, if I'm party in shell. And he's doing I'm so in the house. That's that that, you know, the countries this. This is hell hell it is the beauty of the situation. You remind me a lot of George Saint Pierre. In the sense that George Zimmerman talk a lot. No trash talk. No theatrics yet put him as champion in Canada. That things sells out in a matter of minutes. Your situation in Australia's slash New Zealand feels like the exact same thing. Like, you're the second coming of George. We haven't had a champion with a similar personality to Georges do what you are doing as far as ticket sales and gate is concerned. Have you have you heard of that comparison? Are you okay with that comparison? I haven't. But you know, you know, Joe Joe chain peo- is going to be great. It's worries and not so out of time. So two three even you know in the same sentence him. That is is is great thing. I know that you don't in the past. You've said that you didn't love the Bobby, knuckles, nickname, Monica. But now, I see that you're selling t shirts with the nickname, Bobby on it. So what's going on over here? It's it's one of the things that. Pay them. Join yes. In fact, according to your Instagram, all the shirts sold out. Yeah. They did. They did the it was one of the things as soon as as soon as you say, you don't like something you don't wanna be called something everybody. Everybody sets calling you. So I never really wanted to oppose the name, but I want to jump on board either. But yeah, it seems to be to be my ficials second Knight now. So I wanna it seems like the fans are trying to tell you something here, and they want you to go with it. What are the chances when Bruce buffer says your name on on Saturday slash Sunday that he actually calls you Robert Bobby knuckles Whitaker? Zero zero come on t shirts. It's one of the official. Unofficial shirts nicknames. You do realize if you would have sold t shirts that said the grim reaper. They're they're not selling out as fast. Yeah. No, no. But maybe this approach of not embracing if you will is actually working out and making it even more popular. So so what do I know? How are things at home? Is that your kids in the background over there? Cloyne to redress try hard from. But they they good. There's craziest, you know. Three hundred three can be are. They are they coming to the fight. No, they are not they are. So I'm looking forward to two wins. They wanna go number watches for that matter when we go to mauve and get to work because keeping them home. You won't even bring them on the trip. It's it's strictly a business trip. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's no time. It's time for me to be selfish me to to focus. You know? It's it's the time that I draw to the office, you know, and have to from that stuff. Kelvin has gone on the record and says he will knock you out in the first his manager was on earlier saying that he will knock you out. What do you make of him continuing to to stick by? This prediction, you feel like he's not respecting you. Not you know, a lot of said that and. But you know, to to to most of these guys have this appointment. What's your prediction? I'm coming. I'm coming to really good. You know, I'm coming in public healthiest and strongest thing. So, you know, I'm I'm a I'm a great fodder on my bad day. So yeah, you can take that as you. Will you have looked amazing since going up to one eighty five known as yet to defeat, and again, I would say coin through what you all did in June. And then the previous summer. Just absolutely incredible. You did it with one hand in the second fight. I'm so excited to finally see you back in their Robert because it does feel like it's been a really long time almost eight or so months to be exact very exciting stuff. Also getting to see you fight in Melbourne and defend that title, Melbourne. Of course, the last time you fought a Melbourne. You knocked out there Brunson in in the first round. So it's always cool to see you fight back there. And it makes you in my opinion feel like an even bigger star. So I think that's going to be a cool byproduct as well. Thanks for doing this or early in the morning safe travels to Melbourne and good luck to Sunday morning out. There can't wait for the fight. Thank you so much. I appreciate you guys. Having me on again. All right. Always a pleasure to talk to the middleweight champion of the world. One Robert Whitaker coming off those two great wins. Over y'all Romero. You'll recall you see two thirteen you have sea two twenty five to be exact he got the unanimous decision victory over Mero. The first time then the split decision victory. And that's the lineup right over there. Prelims start at six fifteen on UFC fight past the first pay per view of the ESPN era. And as you can see for paper views, the prelims the early prelims if you will will still be on five pass. That's the last fight pass. You have see fights if you will in America for paper views, if that makes sense only be on pay per view five past the early prelims. Then you've got the middle prelims eight to ten on ESPN. And then you've got the main card headline by Robert Whitaker versus Kelvin gas lamb. That's on pay per view. Here's the lineup of stuff. That's coming at you on the ESPN family of networks. Either did. Title or linear Friday, seven pm official wayans live on ESPN, plus and by the way, no ceremonial slash official. Weighing thing this particular card. It's just one way in because of the time difference it's going to be the old school way. And so the quote unquote ceremonials those will be the official weigh ins as well. You can watch those at seven PM on ESPN plus also at nine pm on ESPN. Plus, we'll have the pre show live on everyone's favorite platform. And then Saturday look at corporate Jake leaving out my radio show. Second time in a row. Why no love for our radio show. Corporate Jake, explain yourself right now to the masses no explanation from corporate Jake look at that way. Didn't get to read it. I didn't see the end. What's the end? I didn't get the read that. But there we go seven to eight on the bad guy live on Twitter and YouTube really, I didn't know about that. And then one AM Poche show live on ESPN. Plus, I'm not going to be in Melbourne, by the way. I don't know if you guys know this because I said I had to be back here on Monday to do the show when you go to Australia, you can't be back, and guess what? Guess what I can't. Nisa show. I can't do it. Youtube Twitter television, tomorrow, ESPN news and ESPN two. I can't miss this show. But I'll have plenty of coverage of three to five thirty PM eastern time on Saturday on ESPN radio. I will be there. You can listen online. You can listen on the radio. You can listen on your car all those places more quickly before I go a couple more things Charles will VERA, Damian my with the big wins this past Saturday in Fortaleza. We also had the whole man the newness situation is ongoing. I will tell you more about that as the week goes on. And also I wanted to tell you about one who they wanna tell you about those another guy Josie Aldo. I spoke to you about him arm released. I told you about everything we covered it all the show is over beltway this weekend as well. Their first European event. Hey, corporate jank, I didn't say hit the music all of a sudden it's getting a little trigger happy over there. What's happening? Jeez. Louise, nobody's been a fun day. We're out of time to thirty four this weekend. I pay per view. And by the way, did you notice on Saturday? Oh, look at that. What do we have over here? That's the picture. That's the Ben aspirin. Something tells me it's not legit as promised on area. Hawaii show there. It is Kamara who's been. Yes. Wearing the shirt and the afro, I had no idea. Wow. There. It is legit. Anyhow, thanks to all of you. I'm looking forward to this weekend. A lot more programming to come. And remember tomorrow on the show? I'll tell you about my trip to California last week. I'll give you my three stars of the week. We'll turn back the clock. There's still more to come Emma may reporters on Wednesday as well. Thanks to all our guests this week. It's been a fun day. I hope you enjoyed it. If you miss anything check it out, I tunes, Stitcher YouTube Twitter, all those place, some more. Thank you Marla mariah's. Johnny Walker aspirin lab. Ben aspirin, Artem lobe of Islam Mafa Ali abilities. Leon Edwards Israel out of Sonya. And the reigning defending. You have seen it away. Champion Robert Whitaker back next week. Same time in place until I say pace.

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Episode 32: Whittaker, Adesanya, Askren, Lobov, Moraes, Abdelaziz, many more

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Episode 32: Whittaker, Adesanya, Askren, Lobov, Moraes, Abdelaziz, many more

"Laze and gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday. February four two thousand and nineteen HOGAN everyone. I'm Marie a Hawaii. Welcome back to the program. Hope you had a lovely weekend. I had a great weekend. Thank you for asking. I was in California for the beginning portion of the weekend. I'll tell you about that perhaps later in the program. But of course, I enjoyed the UFC on ESPN plus this past Saturday from fourteen as Brazil what card it was. And yes, if you follow me on Twitter, you know, how excited I was about the fact that the car just flew by it was over by ten thirty PM eastern time. Remember when this whole thing started some of you were complaining about PM, plus four ninety nine look told me to say this. But I told you be patient. It's a new era the one AM and times they're over there done with it's going to be quicker. It's going to be like other sports when you watch a baseball game. There's not an a lot of time. It's not just three hours and Finnan goes one two. Two three. They'll just kill some time. That's not how it works. No. If it's a one-two-three inning you come back for the fourth right away. You don't kill time. And that's what we saw on Saturday it flew by it was fun. It was quick. We were done by ten thirty. We didn't know what to do with our time afterwards. Great performances. I agree with my former colleague EMMY finding Chuck mendenhall AK, the man and the head that was pretty much as perfect of a card that you have seen hope for big performances from veterans great main event. Young studs coming through had it all great crowd. So a very nice start to the air up to the PM plus era this weekend. Of course, it's UC to thirty four in Melbourne. The first pay per view card of the year rubber Whitaker versus one Kelvin guests them for the midway title. And then the people's main event because let me tell you it is the people's made event Israel at Asya gets Anderson Silva, we're gonna talk about Saturday night and Fortaleza we're gonna talk about UFC two thirty four a lot has happened since we last spoke as I knocked down. My slurpee Cup, of course, Athletic Commission, hearing this past Tuesday, the beer mug made off of Gregor John Jones stuff lock going on as always in the world of mixed martial arts. Let me run down today's lineup. And then we shall get to our first guest of the day because I am excited. My friends new era. Ten thirty. Did you notice ten thirty? It ended at ten thirty eastern time. At that point. We were just getting rolling on a six five three our main card in the old era. Ten thirty. It was just amazing. It was so exciting. I was so happy watching it on my app. I mean, really no one's telling me to say this. But it's it's just it's just great. This is the norm get used to it new era. It is upon us. All right. Here's the lineup. Three forty five. The aforementioned Robert Whitaker will stop by the reigning defending champion. He'll be on the program and what a Mench. This guy is waking up at seven forty five. AM choosed a morning in Sydney he's off to Melbourne tomorrow to go headline UC to thirty four at the Rod Laver Arena. He'll be waking up early for us. Also, waking up early Israel to Sonya. He's already in Melbourne getting ready for that big. And look at that photo that our director j chose. I mean, you talk about foreshadowing there's Israel palooza back of them. Look at that. That's rubber Whitaker. Blurry. Robert whitaker. Are we foreshadowing something? This Jay know, something that we don't know what's happening here. This is a tremendous photo. I don't know where this photo was taken. It looks like maybe the tough, Jim whatever the case may be. This is great stuff. So we've got Israel. We've got Robert Robert talking about UC to thirty four this weekend. Leon Edwards will stop by. He was part of that press conference in London this past week him and Darren till goingto back and forth. They went, of course, he scheduled to fight gutter Nelson on March sixteenth in London ESPN plus card. I'm looking forward to talking to rocky Edwards who's been trying to get a big fight little disappointed that he didn't get the main event. So I think he'll be fired up. The always controversial the always, polarizing Aaliyah Belaziz. At this point hard to argue against the fact that he is the most powerful manager in the sport he'll be stopping by at two forty five. There's a lot going on his world. He's got gasoline headlining this card in Melbourne on Saturday Marla rice with the big win this past Saturday against fell sunshine, another client of his he's got a lot going on. We'll talk to at two forty five one of his clients Islam Mafa, chef he's looking for a fight. He'll be joining us for the first time on this program at two twenty five from douglaston. So that's very exciting. We'll talk to two twenty five the goat. Artem Lobov is no longer you have see fighter. He'll stop by to talk about why he was released where he goes from here. Looking forward to talking to him Ben aspirin stole the show at the thirty five press conference on Thursday afternoon in Las Vegas him and Dana white him and Kamar Oben backstage in front of the crowd. All that. And more been getting ready for his debut. It's always fun talking to funky Ben aspirin. He'll stop by one. Forty five Aspen land will stop by at. One thirty five talk about why her fight against Holly home is not happening anymore on March second. So I'm looking forward to talking to Aspen lad, about where she goes from here. I knew she'd very frustrated and that news kind of just dropped at an order recall. We had Holly home on the show last week. And it seemed like also SIMS were go will apparently not we shall see Marla mariah's will stop by at one twenty talk about his big win over half. L son sell the call out afterwards. His sickness. He said he had the runs in one of the more memorable. Post fight interviews in recent memory. And by the way, shut up to Michael bisbee who did a great job in his color commentary debut. But the story of Saturday, of course, was Marlin the former WF one thirty five pound champion avenging his loss in two thousand seventeen against one fell sunset out finishing him. Just the second man to finish the first being your I favor almost a decade ago and really cemented. His place atop the bantamweight rankings, and my opinion, he should. Should be next for a title shot. They need to figure out the situation with Henry pseudo and the flyweights ace because it's becoming a mess. Someone needs to address this because all the speculation all the rumors all the innuendo all the. I mean, it's just coming headache at this point. Just tell us what you're doing with division. So we can all move on with their lives and understand who's fighting next for the built in the respect of losses. Okay. We need to figure this out ace app Marlin deserves. It Henry pseudo in my opinion, should stay at one twenty five. He's doing a phenomenal job of being the face of that division now of going out there and promoting do him versa. Joseph bene- Vitas Duma l'amour is versus TJ dillashaw. And let's move on with our lives in a matter of moments. We're going to be joined by one of the big stories from this past weekend. Johnny Walker who had another great performance in the octagon his second UFC win officially, of course, a product of the Dana white contender series show. Here's some some factoid about Johnny Walker and what he did Saturday night in Fortaleza at fifteen seconds. His win was the fifth fastest knockout in UFC light heavy. Wait history, the fastest light-heavyweight knockouts. Anthony Johnson knocked out global share and just thirteen seconds at you have see to two he is on a roll. He has sixteen career wins thirteen of which have come in be first round. And one more stat about one Johnny Walker here in these six knockout in UFC history by spinning back this schone Carter John McKenzie Paul Felder, Douglas Silva, Dan drudge and Alexander Rakic are the others to score a knockout via spinning back fist. There's a six man that you need to add to that list. His name is Johnny Walker, and he is a fan favourite a lot of people very excited about him. And let us now say Hello to him for the first time on this show. He joins us via the phone, Johnny. How are you my friend but events? Thank you, Huma friend. Okay. How are you doing great? Wow. Congratulations on another big win on. I don't know what I was more impressed with Johnny. You're you're dancing going into the cage your knockout in the cage or your dancing after the fight. It was all very impressive do feel like you're just on cloud nine at this point. It seems like everything is going well for you. You couldn't dream of a better start your UC another bonus. This must be one of the most exciting moments of your life. Just how things have started. Yeah. So excited from him. So happen prods by myself and all and then the Ken wage to fight again. Soom anything to show everybody. This is no journal genetic have much much more than we're looking at your Finnish right now is amazing the spinning back fist. And then the punches afterwards. Fifteen seconds were you was that part of the game plan to start like that. Or is that just something that came to as the flight was starting? Oh, man. This is the five this is happening liking, not true. And and I only follow the way for the let let happen them. My hands talk to me than my hem talked for me. Okay. But what about the kid because those very worried about the kick Johnny because it seemed like it may have connected when I watched initially in real time. But then when we saw the the replay it looked like you missed him ever so slightly. What were you thinking when you through that kick? Because as you know, if you would have landed the kick when he was on the ground, you'd have been disqualified. Yeah, it's been men, I'm professional. I have a good and angle angle cameras baked into wrong place in the angle. I only want to kick it. He's bad. He's had. I know I cannot do this. I wanna kick it he's badly. But the Ungaro that camera angle Ricard's like wrong place than all. But I wanna kick it. He's bad his face. Okay. How close was too. His face from your perspective. They're far more close. Okay. All right. And then the worm afterwards is that something you practice. Are you are you like a break dancer? Do you have another life that we need to know about? No, this is not trout. This is because I have so many inner hitches span because I'm ready for five Hauge more than I have to stay my energy. 'cause if it don't be extreme stress myself, I wanna spend my energy to what was it like for you, Johnny to be back in Brazil, because I know you said in the past that you felt like you needed to go. Elsewhere you needed to go to Europe in order to make the proper money to fight to train and in the past represented other countries on your Reebok uniform because you felt like you weren't getting the attention and the funds that you deserve in Brazil to be back in Brazil as a UFC fighter and to see the love that they gave you how did that make you feel? Yeah. Combat from Brazil is see my family my friends. And now everybody starts to know me. But I have two men to show general have too many minimum friends, many more. This is only the beginning for me than this is spots to to my dream. I have to grow my dream. Now. Is there a part of you that things where were you to the Brazilian people? Where were you when I was trying to come up when I was trying to make it to of course, you know, you're on the bandwagon now, but I needed you a couple years ago. Is there any part of you that feels that way? Yeah. A little bit little bit. And so will you now train in Brazil from from here on out now that you have a little more money, or are you gonna still train? I know you trained in Thailand for this fight you've trained in Europe as well. Are you still going to train outside of Brazil for your fights? Yes. Yes. I'll come back to pylons in chew weeks think because I have one Jim now they're in shallow kits than those starts my comforting there. I invite the everybody wanna finish me only. Go to Thailand, my jeans open for everybody trying to me. Can you tell me the story about why you left Brazil from what I understand? There was a man who lived in Scotland who said that he was going to pay you to train there. But then all of a sudden month later, he said that he didn't have any more money than you went to train with someone else. And that guy got arrested. It was a very strange start your run there. Could you tell us what happened exactly? Yeah. I'm from is a big star. Because I last you to go to June Scotland's to train and because one guy make on the board for me, proposer them on this just leap everything Jim to Jane. But after all that guy don't give me nothing and like they'll make the chew with us wards. Oh, no. No kept his right to chew make more money by my friends than on. Dr saws won't wait so five because so hard in the beginning of the car here, the five Sohar, and I I never quit. And I always keep going training with food sometimes those morning, but I mean, he and all to know, and now I can do everything. Now, you feel a little more comfortable, right? Yeah. Of course, you have given the opportunity then I I have them to now. Now, I can do for now. Now. Now, we do everything it'd be shopping. Early on in your career when you were trying to make money when you were trying to find a place to fight you said like you were starving at times, you were looking for a home. Did you ever think I don't know how much longer I can do this without making money? I might have to quit and go get a real job. Never. Bigger. I've always believed they would get this opera -tunities. Usually. Yeah. Of course, I believe you by myself. And all I believe God, the believe myself and follow me general UFC my study guide. Yes. Okay. More. Also now have no sponsor yet. You don't have a single sponsor even after these fights in the low Biden, I think people don't believe me yet to be more guys than more impressive guys. Because people don't suppose yet. I feel like there's a natural sponsor it has to be Johnnie Walker. The actual, you know, the liquor company right isn't have you people talk to them. People always ask about this on. But only my name because my my bed calls out at my mum, Cal joy alma. Then. Join them all then I'll go Jay in in w but it's nothing we've we. My understanding is that you're your real first name Walker and your last name is Johnny is that accurate, and you and you switch the two. Walker johnny? So when did you switch at the Johnnie Walker? Because I like joining like people call me join. Yeah. Did you know about when you switch it did, you know about the the liquor company? No, I I know that that was pumping abuts it. I changed because the no 'cause this 'cause I like, John maybe I can get some sponsored by by them. Yes. We need to figure that out a set used to work as an engineer. Correct. Or you at least we're went to school to be an engineer did you ever actually work as an engineer now? I don't look I only starts like six malls. To engineer Kim Kalenjin. You came chemistry engineer. Spoke to only to train all I wanna be g near one a half time, maybe a comeback to with. But don't have time just to determine if you wanna be shop. I have trained hard. And all right. What kind of engineer? Wow. That's incredible. So when your your career, I'm just over or threaten your very smart guy. Yeah. I try I try my best. Yes. I'm not a smart guy. I don't think I could ever pull that off. So that's incredible. And not only are you great fighter. You're smart guy, your book smart as well. So you said that you need to get the attention you need to get the big fights, you need to get pushed who makes sense for you next. You have any idea. Man. I'm no Roach than all I'm finish seeks Zo. Zo anybody anywhere anytime. I'm red. With people know the light heavyweight division, as you know, it needs some new names in need some fresh faces do feel like they're going to be Walker. Yes. And you're ready for the top five guys. You think are you on a fighter to before you are fighting those kind of fighters. I'm ready for anyone anywhere anytime do. Yes. Onto only only call me. I remember how soon do you want to return? Today. It's somebody wanna five should they? So if the UFC says, we need someone in Melbourne this weekend, you would take that fight. Only my six. And I'll be there. Wow. And how how has your life changed? You got performance bonuses on top of your purse. How how have you have you ever had this much money in your Bank? Never from that. Don't watch. I do so much money. I have this money before what are you going to do? You have any plans for it? We'll help my family. My family's never have like goods ones than they don't have to finish my mom house and help them up basam views and helped my famine on this make me happy. When you started your your UFC, excuse me, when you're m may career when you start it or even your UFC career how much money did you have to your name? Before. Yeah. Zero. Sometimes I for three you fought for free in your life. Sorry, you fought for free professionally. Yes. Sometimes yet only only 'cause I wanna make my after some guys, I know to Evans, I have two men guys. Then sometimes I find it because big you Vinci, then I go that I find sometimes how recently like when was the last time you fought for free. Last time. Yeah. Sit alone them, and they got the only if the travel and all. Wow. Along the. That's like a couple of years ago. Yeah. Plus your last year you were fighting for free. Yeah. Did they tell you that they were gonna pay you? And then they lie to you. Or you knew that you're you're not going to get paid anything. Like to me. Okay. Wow. That is unbelievable. Well, those days are over my friend. Yeah. For the title. You got no money. Yeah. Well, now, you're doing well everyone's talking. You make me happy. Right. Right. And what what makes you upset, Johnny? 'cause you're always smiling when you're walking to the cage you're smiling after the fight you're smiling. Does anything bother you? No, ma'am. I'm happy. I bought a happy, I'm happy. Anyway. I don't want it to be happy. And all right. I fight because I love born for this issue happy when they then I'm happy Henry Silva and the contender series in August. Then you come back and be Khalil Roundtree and your debut. I think opening everyone's eyes and just a minute and fifty seven seconds back in November. And then just this past weekend. Fifteen seconds. Unbelievable. Spinning back fist than the punches on the ground. Thank God that that kicked in land. You say it wasn't close. I'm happy to hear that Johnny. Congratulations on how your career has started in the U of C. This has been a lot of fun to watch. You are you are definitely a player to five and everyone is on notice. And I want you to keep smiling. Keep dancing keep doing your thing. Because it's been a lot of fun watching you this for a great to meet you as well. Congratulations. And we'll talk to very soon. Appreciate that. They don't always see day all night there. But that you God bless you as well. It is day over here. And we are all talking and thinking about Johnny Walker one of the big stars from this past weekend in Fortaleza, Brazil, what a performance again, fifteen seconds. He debuts in August on the contender series show and his last two fights have gone, a combined two minutes, and what twelve seconds the big win over cluele Rowntree the knockout and the first round back in Argentina. And then the win over just on the debt this past weekend. What a performance unbelievable. He says that it wasn't close. It looks super close to me. It looked like it initially actually when I saw it in real time. I thought it actually hit and that would have been devastating. But then they showed the replay. Didn't look like it was quite all there. Then look like connected. He says that he was actually aiming for the chest. Thank God didn't really seem like he needed to even throw that. But. He says he wasn't aiming for the head. So I'm happy to hear that he is still to know. And now I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with him next because they've got up ships for this guy and Lord knows two hundred and five pounds needs. It Lord knows they need it. They need some fresh faces. No doubt about that. Johnny Walker is one of those guys way better than Walker Johnny Johnny Walker wherever you're you're at not the fighter, but the company the liquor company signed this man, give him a sponsorship deal. He's doing great things in the octagon with a big smile on his face. This is the kind of guy that you need, you know, it'd be smart if proper twelve up behind him to stick it. I don't know if that's in the same ballpark as far as actual liquor goes. But it would be a nice little turn of events. Okay. Let's move along. Of course, biggest story of Saturday Marla mariah's, what a performance in the main event against fell, son. So he submits a sense of Yogi teen choke into three minutes and seventeen seconds. He avenged his loss to a son sell the super close split decision. Laws back in into. Thousand seventeen and he is now cemented his place to top the rankings. He should be fighting for a title next. He needs to be funny for a title next is the number one contender at one hundred thirty five pounds. And now he's joining us via the magic escape there is magic Marla mariah's, Marlin, how are you? I made the way that comb everything good. I'm safe, and I'm happy with with Victor what congratulations on the victory. What a performance out of you. I have to ask you, first and foremost, how are you feeling Marlin because in the post fight interview, you told us about a very tough week that you had you had the runs which is the worst thing in the world. How are you feeling now? Away that I never had anything in the fight week before. And I never thought about a lot of the fight any fight. And I I start thinking a lot on my room. Ling Starfighter was eleven well in never pull out of by an imagine. I I have diarrhea people going to say there, you know, I came out with that. You know, you have any idea how that happened why you were sick. Or what happened to think is something layers Brazil? I heard a lot of a lot of people from the U of C grew. They got it to of my coach got it. Some of the fighters got it. My my phone. My brain Boardman Sade or Muslim of opponent, dotted. I think is it's like a virus and grazie hours very weak. And when when when I got it, I spend almost all night. I couldn't sleep at all. And I woke up Wednesday, and I have to you have the Dacian and was very hard. But those today. Out meow out of date night going there, you know, and live everything that had come Saturday. You're in the locker room, you're preparing are you still feeling sick? Or at that point. Did you feel like it was behind? You know, I was fine like some some medicine, and and help me, you know, with my stomach because may I had I wasn't wasn't stopping at all how close were you to pulling out? Man. I thought about. I don't want to allow though I got close somebody. I gotta close about it. That's not going to pull out and I said, man. Would Nabet will out of fight. And I thought about instead, I know somebody I called Frank yet. Go seven AM, and he will up like men watch on all, you know, happened now everything okay? As NS knocked gay men. I was all night on a bag full. I don't know what will out to get better. And he liked men. Don't Lord only when is that you're gonna find the FICO on his bad. Gonna get better door. Yeah. Nice to have one of the toughest people ever in the sport. And I just I just forgot about. And I just thought about get better in mentally. I thought about man when we rear, cutting weight, we're gang ourself. They're hydrated though. I'm they're hydrating. And just the scent. I'm gonna be better. I'm gonna be back. I'm gonna be able to buy you don't usually seem to need need help cutting weight to this. This really help you did you feel like it was actually happening faster as a result of how you were feeling. The problem is our spinning very weak. So I was drinking coconut water. I was bringing some Louis. Oh, my weight wasn't going down. I couldn't let this happen. I need to manage. And I think the gut was just them. But I just felt felt we could you know, and even Wednesday. I went in the locker. On the elevator. I was going to do the you can see if you want the m made donkey and the interviews that was on Wednesday. That wasn't myself. I wasn't them very very very sick. And I I did all of the Gatien's. And I went inside the elevator. And who comes in rough by our since down father and broaden, and they look they look at me. And they like men you. All right. And I look at them. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. I'm fine. How fine you know, how fine at all. Did you feel like you needed to end the fight quickly? Because of how you're feeling no man when I walk into that. I thought man I'll sparring everyday just get rounds with Sabih Kim, volley saieed mod, these guys are like these, you know, they get ready for anything and brain camp or very good. So I was raining hard and putting myself in a worst case. Daria so bad day being a little sick. Being a little waker was just another day on off. We've talked to the past about how how fails the grinder and it's hard to look good against him. You look very good against them. Did you feel? I can't let this fight go to the judges. I can't let the same thing that happened. Last time happened to me like I need to put an exclamation point in separate myself from this guy you did that on Saturday. But was that part of your mindset going into the fight? My mindset was me, you know, what I was doing rainy, and I'll like to say man, Mark plays a big point on this. By m e read a lot about roughly out game about what was done to. And how play out the last five hours this week Eddie Alvarez called me? And you saw a lot of didn't four things on our last Friday. We have guys on studying him. And we we mix it up report all together. And we went in there, and we did it. It's not just me all this guy. So it's one thing for people like me to say, you're the number one contender you should be fighting for the belt necks. But I don't know how you feel. I am frustrated that no one comes out and says this is the number one contender fight Marlins fighting for the belt. We don't know what's going on at one twenty five. We don't know what's going on at one thirty five. What is going on? Has anyone told you now two days later? Are you fighting for the belt mex-, man? If you ask me, I feel like I'm I'm the one thirty five founded champ on the best one thirty five thousand in the world. They guy the champion. He went down. He just lost in the thirty second match up against when five so I feel like I'm the camp of whatever they wanna do is. They wanna bring him. I'm on a very welcome him on and saddled, his usual. But right now, I have no thal about any fire. Anything only was going for the belt that sit at at notes off. You know, if not about the. We're gonna move Ballance. You are gonna Email because I'm in this sport to be a champion and fine calms and finds now in that Sigmund? That's not the that's not not being to discuss. I'm gonna fight for the vital want exit. You said afterwards that you want a new contract. How many fights you have left on this current contract? Now, I had fight left. I want to new one, but I wanna fight from the bell. I'm only taking the new one. It's about aligning non-aligned. I'm not making way. So just to be clear, you said you have one flight left. Yes. Wow. So if they don't give you a title shot next with the new contract, you're saying you're gonna fight out your contract. Man. I just I just want to do what I work work and what I earned. I don't I'm not asking for anything iron. I with down three guys three five guys. I did what people never done before finished three guys in the first round and ordered steak money. Do more no are have to do more to blow. Howard. I am. I'm living my dream. I I guts I did a lot of sacrifice now spine forget what I learned. You know that said, yes. Yes. I like it, Marlin that's great. And I love what you said in the cage afterwards sort of along the same lines of what you said on this show a couple of weeks ago saying that you were embarrassed by TJ dillashaw the post fight interview from you. We don't usually see that kind of heat from you in the cage as far as what you said to teach when Michael told you give him a message. I like it. I like this fired up Marla. Moore is. Yeah. Like, I said, less fine. You know? Get this the back again in the no. I I don't wanna use from Trump. But we gotta make America greater, man. You know? Is it a little awkward, Marlin if you can be honest about it your management represents Henry Suharto, and you and he's trying to fight for the one thirty five title. Now. How are we going to figure this out? I don't care who manages him. If he steps on a thirty five division. He's gonna go down just like any other five. Do you have any idea what they're going to push for because just last week? It seemed like they were pushing for Henry to fight for the one thirty five belt. Man, I help it him. I just finished guys in the world if they want to promote and sell the fight they know who they got with the. Do do you know when TJ's ready have they given you any insight? I don't know. I'm ready at work you so much for this long time, and it's not it's not the I don't wanna discuss anything that said that's the title shot. And I wanna get what's mine, and I wanna fix all the situation, you know, when you compare the last reflects you've had incredible performances. I mean this rivals what you're doing WF. And I would argue it's even better, given you know, how tough these opponents are. And then you compare it to your first fight in the UFC. Is it fair to say that maybe the first fight you Chuck that performance up to your octagon jitters because the Marlin that we've seen the last refi. It's very different than the guy who debuted against how on sale. Man. I don't like to make us, you know. I think I just had a bed by no excuse. But the guy in that gage was made in all wasn't anybody else? I wasn't there. We just took that fight with that loss or hard. We asked for the regard by getting better with f- working the guys believe me. And I'm here, I'm here. I am fight win streak. Refinished in a my way, forget the developed. What was it like being back in Brazil for the first time since that fight now on this winning streak? Did you feel more love? Did you feel like the fans there were treating you like a star? Little bit. You know, I love Brazil. But it's it's hard to go fight there. You know? And I I like to fight in America to have all the coaches of the body was good to go there. But he was finding home whole hours by hours from okay? That on my down. But I had couple purple people going up of France or family members in west good, you know, which of the and give them and so you come right back home and your dad again, right? No, one at home, cares that you just beat off L, son. So few submission in the first round your two kids just want dad back, right? Yeah. Have out of buyout might have by. Now once Asia he was by me all day and Ryan through in I'm here. Now, I'm the debt did your old. How old is your oldest son again halfway house for four? Does he understand what what you do? Yeah. He does. He does it did not watch. But he knows he watch a little bit after and he wants to single like me his been wrestling ready. And he wants to fight me out. I wanna punch on. You're not. Rush dire flow of our home. I that the spot if great. So you don't let them watch it live. But if all goes, well, you'll let them watch it after the fact just be, you know, I don't want him keep this on his hand in right? Just I just let him watch a little bit. Well, I'm sure he's very proud of you. I'm sure your family's very proud of you. I hope you get that title shot. I hope that they do versus TJ. They do pseudo versus benefit is they keep the flyweight division enough of all this drama. Let's let's keep all the way classes and let the rightful contenders. Fight for the belt. You certainly deserve it at one hundred thirty five pounds. What a performance once again from you, Marlin it's been a pleasure watching you do your thing. Now in WF coming over to the see it's an incredible run that you're on congratulations. Enjoy your time with your family and thanks as always for coming on the show. Matt thank you, so much, man laggers mind, and I wanna thank you, all my coaches. You know, Mark Cardo Ryan Frankie went they all win there for me, my partners and zebbie humour volley have all these guys being helping Nick stone. I'm very thankful. I'm very blessed to have this all my life. And let's go guys. Let's get the bell. And now we gonna be camping talk to soon. Marlin. Thank you. Magic Marlin is with another impressive win his fourth and row split decision. Win over John Dodson, then he followed that up with the vicious knockout and just sixty seven seconds against James sterling in December of two thousand seventeen follow that up with the thirty three second knockout of Jimmy Rivera back in June of last year, and then Saturday night in Brazil, he defeats half our sons out in three minutes and seventeen seconds. I have all sons out that is so tough to beat so tough to finish. You know, this is a guy who just makes opponents look tough, and you feel for how Santa because it's almost like an believe again, I believe it was Chuck Minho who said this on Twitter on Saturday. He's good enough to warrant getting title shot off of victory off of him. But because was personality because of his style not good enough quote unquote to get a title shot hard to market him in that spot. His record would certainly warrant a title shine, especially had he defeated milem rice. Again, you feel for him that he had to do it all over again. But this is the scenario that I think the wanted because of how Marlin fights because of how entertaining is this is a very special fighter who is doing special things at a World Series of fighting comes over to the stumbles ever so slightly against half a sense. But since then has been on a roll. And I just don't understand why the you have C doesn't come out and say this is the number one contender. Can you imagine him versus TJ dillashaw how great of a fight? That would be look I understand why they wanted to do this. They'll show fight. It was fun. It was champion versus champion. It was the first ESPN plus card. I get all that. I really do. It made feel big it made it feel historic it made it feel special. It was great for January nineteenth in Brooklyn. That's the main event that was perfect for the first time plus card. No argument. But now, let's move on. So who wants to stay at one twenty five Dilshad has chance it didn't work out. Let them defend that title at one thirty five the number one contender a guy who I think now has won seventeen of eighteen. And let's see benefit as verses pseudo to the first fight was amazing. I wanna see five round to that. Only one three. It was a close fight. Let's just move on. It doesn't seem like it as I said last week on the program. It seems like they are slowly phasing out the flyweights even so who told the media in Brazil this past weekend that he's afraid that it seems like his his work is for not his campaigning for not they're getting if you lose your pretty much done if you're on a winning streak, they'll give you the option of going to thirty five or let you kind of fight it out until you lose. I don't get it. I truly don't get it. So who feels like a star? He's fun. He's charismatic. His fights are fun. These days. I don't understand the insistence. It does not seem like it's worth it. You you finally have a guy that you feel like you can get behind that you feel like you can sell you feel like you can market Olympic gold medalist trilingual, we've gone through the credentials time. And again, keep that division have Marlin TJ. That's phenomenal main event. Let's go and Marlin needs to get some pub as well. I know he's not the most brash guy out there. But he does feel like the best fighter that no one knows about in the OC for whatever reason part of that's on them part of that's on him. I understand that. But what a performance Saturday night for Marla. Moore is meadow moments. We're going to be joined by one thirty five Pounder in the female division. Aspen. Lad, I think that we're trying to connect with her. If we can't get our on Skype. All right. Atalaya gonna join us in a matter of seconds. Of course, I have to mention Joe's a Aldo before. Aspen comes on the program. What a performance from him. He turns back the clock again, vintage Aldo two straight finishes. You know? You know reminds us of the outdoor from WC when he was fighting likes of Cup Swanson and Mike Brown a finisher, a vicious finisher just going out there and looking to end the fight early. That's all though, we love, and I am so happy about the fact that Josie Aldo is not going to be defined by that thirteen second loss to Connor McGregor. He lost fair and square and Connor should wear that feather in his cap all day long. But I was afraid that if he never rebounded from that. He would forever be defined by that loss. He would be the guy who lost to Connor and thirteen seconds and everything that he did up until that point. And even a little bit afterwards would always be overshadowed by that loss. Now, it feels like there's enough separation that has last two fights in particular. I've just been so great so dominant Jeremy Stevens and then this past weekend against boycott. It feels like we are now fully over that loss in the sense that it won't be line number one because it shouldn't be line number one. You should never be defined by one night. I don't care how dramatic or how how bad of a loss of was should never be defined by. One night. And I'm happy that it feels like finally he is not going to be defined by that one night. And that he is able to move on that he's able to be happy. Enjoy his career and really start to go on this final run. Whether it's for a belt, whether it's for, you know, one fifty I don't care just have big fights habit performances be celebrated by people good for us, a Aldo very happy to see him back in the winter circle. Okay. Let's move along last week. We had Holly home on the program. And then it seemed like always good with UFC thirty thirty-five. She's going to find on the same card as her teammates. John Jones and Diego Sanchez, and she was excited to be back. And she was excited to fight Aspen Ladd. And then all of a sudden at the press conference on Thursday, Dana white casually says that the fight is off with not a lot of information added to that statement. Let's talk to Aspen lad, now and see what's going on with her. She joins us via the magic of Skype there. She is Aspen. How are you? Pretty good considering. Well, okay. So it's a few days later it happened on Thursday. It's now Monday, how do you feel about this this change of plans? The pointed. But I'm getting over it at this point not over and avoid that doesn't matter not that I can do about it. So and trying to move on. Have you been told by the U of C or has your management told by the USC why they made this witch? I had absolutely no idea. I mean, obviously, the news out. Now the Amanda on the variety, then I could assume that's why. But I had no idea a management had no idea. I don't know probably had an idea. It was something. I was training. Got out the cage that five hundred minutes calls by found at the same way. Everybody else conference. From the media, you found out from other people texting you give you a heads up before. Now, and no idea until that moment and did your management talk to the U of C afterwards. And try to get an official reason from them as to why they did this. But that's not really moving talk about right now. Okay for and it seems like they are trying to do this Holly home versus ending set-aside. Although I'm told it's far from official, and it may not even happen. But if that is the direction they take Hollywood from you to put on a title fight. Are you know that you're not getting that? Like why why pick Holly not you you've never fought for a belt before? Now that doesn't an at all this after my last night. I'm young in the sport. I don't I'm not chasing about right now. I never out I've roll Neo. See I've only had a couple of women find everybody the more the better. So I'm in a different position in my career in my life than she is. I don't know what Holly wants to do. Maybe she just wants more five she went to the belt and get out. Who knows I got so much time on my hand. Like, all right. We'll fight over they offer up. So why not keep you on the card against someone else? Is that an option? It doesn't here to be right now. Watch netflix. You want to remain on that card? Kind of like the Laskar on the McGregor card. You really can't do better than a Don Jones or McGregor. So everybody wants to be on that hard. But if it's not gonna work out by live on it wide, and I guess most lawn. Kunitz Kaya say that she was willing to fight you. I know that she's busy. But it doesn't seem like there's often a lot of people who are campaigning to fight. You. What did you make of what she said? Back bay nicer. But she's fighting my team here coming up marrying Renault, and I'll be watching that fight. So I think she has a to worry about me right now. But did you notice that as well? It doesn't even with this news coming out. I don't see a lot of people campaigning and saying, hey, I'm available volunteering to step in there. Unless I missed them. Did you see any people do that? Unfortunately, no there was before this last night but afterwards, not so much. And we've had a few offers bite offers than they didn't pan out. We always accept, but the other person hasn't would you say fight offers say do you mean for this particular car to to replace Holly? No before Holly there do people for that. Both extremely high rates and neither one. Let's maims who are they key early though. I can't do that one on what's the put them on blast? I am not gonna steer the plot. In that way. I'm just saying there had been other opportunities. And we're never the one running down by it. I would imagine given Holly stature her name former champion. This was a really big deal to you. Right. This felt like a major step up. Great. I mean, I want the best three is right ruin Holly. She is an amazing fighter sport forever than a champion. Number two. I was extremely about by two unique challenge, and that was very disappointing losing that the opportunity show in worker Sunday that have been important that long, and it's been that sessile. Was so unique about the challenge. She presented. Terry her stand up striking her experience level, and it took a very special. It's gonna training in Mike preparation ready for this fight. This specialize approach it, and we are working very hard in very excited myself theme, you really implement we will work on. And then that all kind of went vitals thirds, they're so will you bring in new people to try to mimic her style. We did have people indicating her style, but not bringing in so much. Lucky at my campaign have people that are already fight in that way and ourself cla so it was just more or less studying her tendencies and really trying to capitalize of what she's gonna be naturally. But yeah. Would you have felt better about all of this? If you at least we're given the heads up before the rest of the world. I think that would have been the best approach. The Taiwan a handle it. Hey, you're not gonna fight. But as anything else, there's really nothing I can do about it. I was shot. But now, they got pieces and see what's next. I think that they're mistaking your kindness for a weakness, they feel they could just take this away from you. Because you don't seem like the typical fighter. You don't seem like you're getting mad or lash back. But they've got a big problem on their hands because asked lattice pissed. Thirty happy about it. As like he'd saying nothing I can do. So it really doesn't doesn't serve me to get angry to get hits shit. Whatever it doesn't there's nothing to help me. So I should always managing on it. Initially as I think the the camera flipped on here. Because you're now sideways. I don't know if something happened there something happened. Let's see did a work. No. It's still sideways. But also ask the question you tweeted to Holly saying, hey, you know, there it is now it's gone. Anyhow, you tweeted Holly saying like the fight you now. It's back. Keep it. Whatever you're doing there. Yeah. That's perfect. I signed to fight you. And now the fight has gone don't back out. But now can you still hear me Aspen or you can hear me? Okay. It's okay. It's okay. So we'll talk to you. Because the video seems to be frozen. You seem to be upset at Hollywood. Now that you know, more about this situation. Do you hold any? It doesn't seem like she's the one backing out. She found out like you did she's kind of waiting to see what's next. Do you feel that this is on her or more on the? I think it's probably more at the decision now that I know little bit more. I think you're right. I think you're right about that. I don't think I think she was actually equality as disappointed, even if there might be a title shot waiting in the wings. I think she was upset that she get the heads up by there. It seems that wedding. But it's kinda she didn't know, I didn't know you're gonna soom the other person did it like all right management make decisions whatever. Right. This moment. You don't know. What's next? You don't know if you're on the card, you don't know if you're fighting someone else, you don't know anything. I think it's safe to him. I will not be on that card, unfortunately. And there's there's a couple of fights. And we're gonna see either one of them pans out. We'll keep posted. I'm sorry. That this went down this way. I think a lot of people are looking forward to that fight big opportunity for you. Great fight for Holly as well. Kind of a bummer. I'm sorry. Went down this way. I'm sorry. You didn't find out beforehand? But I appreciate you coming on and talking about it Aspen. Man. I appreciate me here. All right there. She is asking lad stopping by. So unfortunate UFC two thirty five is a great card a slight blow to it. We'll see what happens last. I heard. There was talk and the newness talked about this over the weekend was talk of doing amend, the newness versus Holly home in Cody Chiba may eleventh, which is in Brazil, by the way, that's the card that Rosamund Unisys fighting just drudge on. But as right now, that's not a done deal or close to done-deal her. There was also some taco perhaps germane to randomly stepping in there. So we'll see how that situation pans out. Wouldn't it be something if the fight doesn't materialize, and they pulled this fight for nothing? Confusing. Always confusing. Let's see how it plays out that was a fun one and a good opportunity for someone like Aspen to be on the same card as she said, John Jones and Tyron Woodley and Robbie Lawler and Ben aspirin who finally made his official UFC press conference debut on Thursday in Las Vegas, stealing the show both before the press conference during the press conference after the press conference always great time talking to funky and he joins us via the magic Skype, and this guy, I gotta tell you the ultimate professional look at this setup. Ben, what do you what do you tape in that in that little room over there? Well, I actually this room is going to go to my house eventually maybe week or two and it's done right now, this is like a little vestibule. And my wrestling academy actually taper Rudas we do arrest in pockets. I actually just knocked out to episodes. I'm really busy this week aerial. So we just did our episodes for this week. Which man, I love talk. To you. And I love talking about fighting. But I do talking about wrestling even more while. Okay. And where can people get these podcasts? We're on I tunes, and then the Rudas website. So, yeah, if they're wrestling people, they they know where to find us. Okay. Fair enough. So last Thursday was fun. That was your first official UFC press conference, correct. Yeah. I mean, damn you know, that was so much fun. They should consider like throwing one of those every week for me. I know you killed him. I man no, no press conference jitters, if you will let's start with before the press conference little bit of a running there between Marty put this video out. I made this video makes him dumbed them, and he was his campers that put it out. He is like bragging about this. And listen, this is like what I can't stand about fighters. Think about this. Listen, we get your tough, you fighting a cage I understand that perfectly. But I mean, he has to come up to you know, nothing's going to happen back. There Marty why you get in my face. You know, you're not going to risk your main event shot by punching me in the back hallway. Gimme a freaking Brady. I mean, I just I couldn't fathom why he's trying to act tough. And exactly what he was trying to do our get us situation. 'cause if it was intimidation that's freaking laughable. What did you see? Because because we only saw it really from your perspective. I couldn't see him. So it was more like from his back in his eyes. Like did a feel like he was about to attack you or what what was happening. He was he wasn't a do nothing. Because listen about who. He is. He wants to ABC like he wants like, he's just crazy and Saint tough guy. But I knew from before I knew from before he's not like, he's smart. He's reasonable and for whatever it, and this is the persona that he wants to play that. He's tough crazy guy who will fight any anytime. And it's just silly. It's ridiculous. No, no point. Was he ever threatening me? I mean, I didn't budge right. I sat there because it's like what are you going to do like I offered to fight you like you saying bring the same energy. I I don't even know what that shenanigans means. It's like an offer to fight you. I don't know how you want to settle this. I thought that was a fair way to settle it. So yeah, I thought it was all around ridiculous on his does it feel like you're under his skin with the mardi from Nebraska stall. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like how are you going to let someone who's not even fight on ninety nine of the fight you, right? You're fighting Tyran. I I am under your skin so bad. That I say one thing I said, I didn't ex- the mardi. And he got all pissed and then the other thing is like he's not even like Marty's, not my name. Don't call me Marty. You know, it's not like you. Remember when Mohammed Ali changes name from cash Clayton Muhammed Ali. And there was a few boxers who refused to call them. Muhammad Ali they call them, cashes clay. So he would say what's my name beat him up? As like, you said, Ben my name is not Marty. My name is calm. Ru do not call me Marty. He's not even saying that. Right. So what's he really? He's tonight them names. I didn't even know what he's mad about. What what is this man mad about? I don't know yet. I'm so far under his skin. So far this headed in funny. Now, it seemed like before he got there you were in the same vicinity almost face to face as one Dana white os. Does have actually talked to shake hands. Tell us awkward small talk. What was the first thing? How did you break the ice? I really I don't remember probably Haywood sell. I I don't recall, exactly. I don't know. Exactly. We call right now. Okay. Was that the first time you you spoke face to face since that meeting a couple years ago when you are free agent. Remember, I said that we spoke for a quick minute backstage in New York L cash. Oh, very quickly. And this this in Cryer, this encounter was also pretty brief. I did talk to after the press conference for a minute also. But. Yeah. Nothing at length there between me and him what he say after I'm actually more curious about that. After your performance at the press conference to give you profit. He wanted to make sure that he that. I don't think he doesn't like me. And you know, it's a relevant relevant aerial like I don't care if you've asked me up with the toughest guys. Like, that's what I came for came to compete. Give me the toughest guys. You got. I'm good to go. And so, you know, I don't know we're never gonna be best friends, and you know, I'm not going to hold him eight against him. But if he doesn't like me like me, that's fine. I don't really care, right? As part some people in life. We're not gonna see with. We're not gonna like and the notion that we all have to age all get along pretty silly notion. So let me get this straight. Dana was concerned that you thought he didn't like you. So he wanted to clear the year to let you know that. In fact, he does like us this an actual thing that happened said he said, Ben, I I do not dislike there's nothing here. Fine. There's not there's nothing there. I'm good. I'm good to go, by the way for business. Isn't it better? If he keeps up the short, I thought earth thing, I said here, I said, I, but wouldn't this be a lot more fun? If we just pretend like we didn't like each. Yes. What do you say that? I think he said no, I don't think he wants to play that game. Don't I don't think on that angle. Come on. Unbelievable. Let's go show him how ratings Vincent stone, cold dead. Yes. This is like the second coming. It's unbelievable for me, Ben because you walked away. And let's be I remember talking to you the Monday after you walked away after the Shinya Aoki fight. And it was kind of it was just like there was a Facebook post and everyone was like all right. That's it. And now you've turned into like the hottest thing. Everyone can't get enough of you. You're stealing all the shine. How did this happen? How did this turn around? You were contentious being and now look at you. Life has Zahran life. Life's bizarre. I have no idea. Hey, you know, there was one good line. That Marty had also so dumb. And you know, what I photograph evidence because says something dumb like oh each will. I call me young, man. And I'm like four years old. This is when he comes at me like I said Marty sit next mardi would skinny jeans still come on. You can't be tough when your white skinny jeans and a scarf. Outta here. We can we just pause there before you finish. That story. Your outfit was just phenomenal. You've got the soup pants the shirt and the flipflops what's going on there. They told me I wanted to wear jeans t-shirt, they told me, I it's my first go round right told me jeans t-shirt. So I grabbed like what I was wearing at my most recent wedding that I had to be in. And I think data's making fun of my clothes right now. And. No, that's how Jesus teacher way more like that. But I love were in flip flops. That's where I'm gonna do. So anyways, let's get back to March. One guy called me young, man. I'm four years older them. He says it's your first time being stage. Maybe get everyone's autograph that was kind of funny funny. It would've been even semi chew. But here's the thing about it is John Jones is younger than me, Cody Garbrandt younger than me Marty's men is younger than me. And I was the star the wrestling world when all these guys were young pups. And if you remember there was that one really famous funky shirt, I put out it was very iconic, my friend, Marcus Hain made it it just said it said funky had my afro on there looking as magnificent as it could. And I know Marty to make and I found a picture of me and him he's wearing a funky shirt. When afro wig, I'm gonna put it on Instagram. I said other breakthroughs here L show. I'm gonna put it on my Instagram later break. The news Marty is. Funky, Ben fanatic. He way you have a picture of Kamara wearing your t-shirt and aware enter the fake, afro know, what years is this is like and at least ten years ago when I was like just after college. I mean, yeah, posted what do you post today? I'll pose it right after I get off this. This is credible. This rivalry if you will continues to have layers and legs to it. It's amazing. It reminds me of Charleston because chill did a better than anyone where he would have like four feuds going on at the same time. Right. So when this fight is over you can move onto those you're you're planting seeds all over the place. But let me just ask you one question about Robbie you faced off with the guy. You seem to like him seem to respect him. What was the face off like, hey, so nice like he's so hard. We got on the same bus going over there. I like why you have to fight him me. So. The ball. He even he like. When we got on the wrong places like damn you entire roasted Marty and he was like he was laughing about it while. So yeah, I don't know Robbie's a beast. He's tough. You know, the one thing I was thinking about Robbie is that. I remember, and I think it was at this fight 'cause it was Tyronn was of fighting. And this was way back shoe. I want to two thousand ten and I remember Robbie got choked up Jake shields. I remember thinking damn rob used to be so good. What the hell happened him? And then obviously four or five years post. He went went on that UC title run. So it's like I'm gonna expect the best version of Robbie. I I'm not gonna expect the down version that that lost to RDA or the one that got choked by two Shiels, I'm training for the best Robbie, and that's why I think it's silly would feel forget about Morton for about through you new to focus Giusto in Bellevue wall or not like, what do you may have a freaking picture? Rob you stare in twenty four hours. That's weird. That's bizarre. Obviously went on training. I'm training for Robbie Lawler. I'm trying to be Robbie Lawler. But I'm not going to assess over the man two hours day. That's just like weird. Yeah. That is weird. What about John Jones? Did he say anything to feel like you've talked about John in the past? Yeah. He. Yeah. We made friends. We obviously, I'm a DC backer. Right. That's my guy. I'm gonna back him the whole way. And so I've teased John a little bit. But we make good after the press conference. He actually wrestled my brother twice way way back once in highschool, and once I think freshman year of college my brother two times, and so we kinda ran along the same payoffs. And so, yeah, he said group watching me Russell. And and nice to meet you can we never officially met in person. So yeah, it was good. You made the case once again for 165, you've versus be said that you would write as back chant USA for those that have been watching you for awhile shades of the Karesh fight. That was a fun moment. Dana kind of put his foot down and said that's not happening. Do you believe him or do you really still think that this is going to happen? Oh, we've Mariel. I answer the question. Do I believe him a one sixty five belt isn't coming. Yeah. Yeah. From being honest, if he says, it's not coming. Then I think it is coming while. He also said women would never fight in the among. Many other things he said, so when you look at let's look just from a strictly numbers perspective too. And when when you if you add up the and I did the numbers on on UC dot com. This up their their research. If you had up the lightweight division, and the welterweight division, those two way classes, I believe there's one hundred seventy two competitors. Okay. So if you split that three separate ways, you are still have the three biggest divisions in the UFC. You know, what I'm saying there? Yeah. And so you have roughly fifty seven competitors per division, which would be the three biggest divisions in the. I mean, you're looking at somebody's women's divisions. There are there twelve or less as we're talking about three way cluster have approximately fifty seven competitors. That's a big way class. That's a lot of people in there. So I just a feasibility of it may just makes so much sense that I don't see any way. There's it's not going to happen. What about Habib saying that you have to show? The show their levels here. This is minor leagues. What about that response? He said Olympic athletes were different way before. So who knows? Okay. So he's he's all over the place. All right. Speaking of which last week on the program been we spoke to Darren till? I don't know if you caught the clip I just wanted to play it for. Attacks of what he said. Okay. Here's Darren till talking about his good friend Ben aspirin last week on the show. Now what's happening between you can we talk about a because I find that. You're back and forth is very entertaining. I must say what is happening. What is the crux of the issue here? Slow issue. I'm not. Okay. Is this someone that you would like to fight before you move up to one eighty five? Of course, I'm not scared Vanna toll Benz, I remember years ago when when when I was in Brazil on my wrestling, coach, Tim. Sovereign job. I remember when my restaurant coach, Tim usually talk about panel time on big of open. So I've known about banned for years, and you know, Ben combs that she install on a lot of people didn't respond. So, you know, who am I not responsive, and I'm until June Gish benders all to take me because he has to be all intelligence, and I just I just saw. You know, doesn't go to Dr. So it is one of his Ben doesn't know how to take me. He thinks that you're confused by him as what what you're drunk and incoherent. A why do I even bother like that's a waste of my brain power to try to respond to that. Did you were you pay attention to tweet that one night the man was drunk and incoherent, obviously, I'm not gonna sponde- to that. Because it's like when you get to that level of low you become just as stupid as the person, you're arguing with okay, I'm gonna pass on that. You know, the one thing I did aid called me. I think he called me a precursor and a whole or something like that. And it's like that that he's just he's a very immature person. He's the kind of person that a beating like me would add some respect to his life. And you know, I there was article and this this duties this is to be taught a lesson. He like was bragging about the air, the kin Brazil, he didn't see for your that was the type of sacrificing bait. It's like that's sad. That's irresponsible that selfish. There's so many things that are wrong with that statement. And if you do have an illegitimate child, and if you do make that mistake. Hey, man, it happens. It's life. Life's tough. I get it. Don't brag about that being barest about that you probably their hide that or or apologize for the fact that that is what's happened in your life. But he was almost bragging about it. It was just really bizarre, man. Like that kids going to grow up without a father. That's raking sad, you're being selfish, you're being inconsiderate. There's just so many things. So there needs to learn some respect. And yes, I not going to go back and forth them when he's being drunk and incoherent and being very immature in his defense. I don't think he was bragging about the illegitimate child as you put it. I think he was just saying that like right now. My only focus is fighting for the belt before the. Oh, okay. So if you say, not Brang, that's my focus you're bragging about that's what your focus is. You're saying this is my focus man, aero that selfish. When you when you decide to when you decide to have this PSA now, I'm like the adult when you decide to have sex having a kid is a possible bribe by prior to that, and if you are mature enough to make the decision to do that. Then you have to take responsibility for your actions. Fernand? Hey, listen. That's dash. And you chose Darren live up to it, man. Don't make don't make that kids suffer because you may near responsible decision. That's a bunch of crowd fair enough. Let me just quickly before we let you go is it possible? From from my perspective. It seems like becoming ten is in the doghouse, and I feel. All the momentum. That you have I feel like you may leapfrog everyone, and we'll see what happens between the Willie fight. But if it was been wins. And I know you won't fight tiring your friend and former teammate at Mizzou, and I respect that. But it feels like if Kamara wins winning of. Okay. So what happens? What do you do from there at that point? I'm going on. And I'm gonna freaking bacterial or they're all into a corner. Whoever wins to fighting. Okay. So that's the plan beat him March second and then go to London two weeks later. Funky. Ben aspirin, just on our. So no matter moments on Twitter now when you post this onto 'cause you're days Instagram post, the both can you say like as previously referenced on the Hawaii show, I need the funky. Rub. You see what I'm saying? I do I say as previously reference. I mean, you can write that in the in the description. Okay. As also airs promise. Yes. On at aerial. Can I buy you could do that? That's fine that works. All right. Thank you. Yeah. This fun aerial. Always. It's always fun been great stuff as always we'll talk to you soon. Good luck in the next few weeks, preparing for the fight. All right, there is funky Ben aspirin phenomenal Skype connection in his little studio there that little whatever that is. It's great stuff. You have to thirty-five. It goes down March second inlaws Vegas. There's the lineup. My friends John Jones versus Anthony Smith Tarn Woodley versus Comorros Mun Robbie Lawler versus Ben aspirin, Cody Garbrandt versus Pedro Munoz and Jeremy Stevens versus beat Maga med Shari Pov. You have to thirty four. It is not this one stack. It's amazing pre show and Poche show on ESPN. Plus now, this is a ten PM start time as far as the main card is concerned with the paper for us are going to be the same. But like I said the new era ESPN plus cards ESPN cards early early as far as starting early as far as ending very exciting stuff. All right. Let us move along. Thank you and asking now big news last Tuesday, just moments after the whole Nevada Athletic Commission, hearing wrapped up we found out. What was going to happen to Conor McGregor? We found out. What was going to happen to Habib and France we found out about John Jones. But just moments later, Artem Lobov comes out and tells the world that he is no longer a you have fighter that he is now looking to move on with his career boxing career kick boxing career. He is a free agent, and he wants a contract in each and every one of those sports this this this drew more of a reaction on my social media Instagram Twitter than the Connor slash Khabib slash John Jones. I kid you not the people of Artem they wanna hear from him. He's kind enough to be joining us right now be the magic Skype, Artem how are you? We'll move having it is it is a sorry that again. Mcgirt family as being bringing so much for having. It's an absolute honor. And pleasure, Artem it's great to talk to you as always. So very busy week for you. When did this all start? I know you told me in the past before your last fight against Michael Johnson that if you can't get the fight against Byara. You wanted out you even talked about getting released before all that went down. When did you start working on this release that you've actually got last week? You know after Mike Jones fight over. So, you know, I kind of side looking one of my next flight was going to be and I'll read you knew just from talking to your see that the punishment was going to be pretty severe. You know, I didn't really know how long this was going to be. But I knew I wouldn't be able to get that fight as of right now. So I thought why not go elsewhere? You know, this is USC has always been the pinnacle of the sport. And for any fire is Halloween treatment getting into the. But once you've done that been there and done that. Now, it's all about making money. And it just turns out that you know, there's more money for me to be made. Elsewhere. And of course, I'm thankful to the that is the fact that I was you'll see fide is a big big part of the fog. I'm getting all this offers right now. Okay. So did they even try to convince you did they try to keep you? They they said to me the offering talking about the fight and Russia, potentially April. But you know, I it wasn't really clear when ward who and you know, just didn't sound convincing enough. I like I said offers a really really good. And they only fight that. I really read it they want the if is by confide. No. So it wasn't no brainer. For me. Do you know the death toll free agency and see how that goes? And how many did you have left on your deal? Had fights left. Okay. So once you both agreed. Okay. There's there's only an opportunity to fight in April Zubair is not going to fight for a year today, put up much resistance, or are they pretty cool about it. Well, I mean, you have to bring mind that they had just given a new contract during you got four five left on my contract and the gaming new contract. Still the four fights on it and bumped up my money, and you know, you know, the getting out of the things beneficial things on like the timeframe of the contract and all that. But so they weren't willing to give me another, you know, when you contract just as they given the one already so it was really matter of, you know, leave or stay with what I have. And I wasn't you know, I was lucky enough that they allowed me to release because they wanted to they could have just kept their kept me on the shelf. And and that would not have been nice on anything that they did release me and gave me this opportunity to go and fight officially when we're you release. So Fisher just when I it. That's one fisherman was when I finally got my paper 'cause I didn't want to Russia. This time. It has happened to me before in the past. Where I go to feeling that are getting released and contact different promotion mask defied their time. Parents look I'm ready to fight him getting released and that was agreed. And then they turned down that I wasn't getting released. So you know, it was not a good station to being. So this have to make sure when on the percent that you know, I am getting my release, and then you leave with any regrets. Not at all. No had a great time in your see. You know, he wasn't great about to be with thinking thinking. Now, I think I'm gonna perfect spot because I'm a free agent. Now, we allows me to make a hell of more money and fight a lot more of them. And then the neen means still the biggest fight you could make an Russia right now. So when she's back in the years time, I mean who is not to say that there's an opportunity for me to Roebuck in potential bagging. Or else he gets released and me and the input on the five. Elsewhere, you know, there's going to be many options for me down the line. So I I have no regret. I never regret. You know, doing something? I only look forward I moving forward, and I cannot wait to put my hands on everyone. But both Thursday K one guy they remain so over there, whoever wants to come and get it. So I was told that there's an offer on the table for you to fight Zubaira in in Chechnya for a lot of money. Are you aware? Of this or. Oh, yes. Certainly I aware of this this offer to me how we're supposed to be right before my side with Michael Johnson have responded to that offer by saying that, you know, no matter where you know, takes place. Matt I'm willing to to fly around on whatever notice in any place in the world. And I'm not only about, but I will say this one more time base fight them is very important. It's not about money. If not about anything else is about the owners respectable making the right? So I said this in my initial response, and I will say again that from that particular, I will donate every single two children strategy, and I will say that again, though. Okay. So every cent that you make from that, you you said you're going to get the children's charity my full bars. I mean, giving it the children's started. Because the reason I say that because one it was supposed to me, you know, there was there were Stokes all will give you more money for doing this. And I just wanted to never been known. On that. This is not about money to me. I will think that's like in a heartbeat in any organization, you many place on this planet all the moon or anywhere else in the universe. And I want to make any money from the business. This is about something else. So we'll see what happens to the best of your knowledge. Do you think that he will fight while under suspension? Even though I did again, I have no idea. Why? I mean, if you're wants to why doesn't he leave? I put her on right now. You know, I don't mind that join events, but I don't know she live not live. I have no information on that. Okay. So now that you are free agent. And it's been out there for six days. Are you getting a lot of offers? Yeah. To be honest. I mean, I if I'm honest, I did expect to get a lot of offers. But I mean, I it's been quite roaming, if I'm on the number of six digits pretty quickly. And that's where I'm at the moment mean wherever as more. That's where I'm going to go, you know, once you've been to the theater fighter. You know? You've kinda reached the pinnacle of the sport. So right now, it's all about money to me. I mean, so I've been me, you know, certain name the promotion this and that they do play certain parts, but mainly it's about money. No. And are these offers from not only enemy promotions. But Emma may. Kickboxing end or boxing. Yeah. I it's everywhere. There's been no came on kick both thing. And I may both thing. I there's there's a lot of on the table. You know to be honest. I wanna sign the mall because with me you don't have to worry about me getting injured or not showing up. I will show up every time. If I said that I'm gonna be there. I'm going to be there. Even if you line up five for me every single weekend for the next ten years, I will be at every single one of them. So so I have a feeling that I could potentially strike numerous going Trump's in a one for both thing one for K one and one for me, and we can all come to agreement, you know, or perhaps if I have something already lined up on taking your fight in the next number of days or a prior to that fight or whatever. But you know, I certainly want to that's myself in all those fields into. Okay. So would it be fair to say though, understand that you want, you know, contracts in those three sports? But first things I get the deal is that is that the one that you wanna folk. This on the most and then kickboxing slash boxing that gravy. To be honest. I'm putting putting them all up against each other. You know what? I mean. I'm seeing who who was and 'cause it doesn't I don't have to fight all those sports. I don't have that would love to. And I love to fight and I love Tijuana, those are real fights. And all your show, you what what's their shows and all its its proper knocks every time, but they have no they have no stars have nobody in the dairy people don't really knowing from that sport. So I feel like with crossover nicely. Both thing is look at the the books in right now. There's no one there's no names all the all the guys that have remained. What are they all retired? And they're all them. There's not that much of the young town coming up. So I would definitely slowed in there as well. And I may of course, I mean, I've been I've been making what annoys number may world for many years now, and I continue to do. So. Go I on Twitter that you you you sent a message to Amir Khan and Polly Monae, she do you ever hear back from from their representatives. Nor was actually talking today to my management guy in sports management than and they said nothing been from them just yet. But I'm still hoping you know who knows being on your show. I mean, let's be on. How many people read, you know, leave the company, and that becomes the news on the ESPN on the biggest remain show in the world discussing me, leaving the UFC and all that between that I have, you know? And that's that's what counts what counts so many people watching your fights. And when I fight everyone watches listener to as you know, you don't need me to tell you this. But you know, people can say it's tongue in cheek people care about you. And what I liked about us. The whole goat thing you take it in stride. You get it. But at the end of the day, you recognize that people actually write about your fights watcher fights care about your fights. So you don't really seem to care that people call you the goad and all that to take shots at you as long as they watch. That's all you care about. It seems my right. Absolutely. And that's all. Determine. I mean, what what do you call success in our sport? But what determined success? I mean, I used excessive. Let's say you're on knowing what you'll find is that excess trust me your Bank account. We'll say otherwise. So you know, now that I've been in the sport for so long. I know this no more than ever what successes. So many people are watching known as watching doesn't matter. What else achieving urine successful? If people watching your fights, they care about what you do, you know, then that's excess to me. So as far as I'm concerned, I'm one of the most successful fighters in the world. It seems like SPG has a good relationship with Bella tour. Have you talked to them yet? So you tweet fifty cent and talk about or have you talked to that organization yet. Yeah. Certainly they were one of the first to give me an offer. We have a very good offer as well. And I'm just I'm I'm right now sort of collecting although for myself, of course, I my mind has been guy guy in sports. They're just considering. Although I, you know offers too big or small so everyone well else is out there, and the more my way and see what happens how close are you to signing one year deals. Well, they only been the first couple of days. And since I now, it's my departure from your C. So a lot of I I, you know, at the early stage, I feel that there's a lot more. They're even overs. Alrighty, looking pretty good. So we'll see how it goes. You know, if someone wants to for me seven Jesus, you know, number right now, I'm happy to sign straight away. And let's let's call it a day. Forget all discussions can have you know, the rushing Amer making all of your scream, whoever we're gonna vision decides to do that if not going with. Go ahead. I tell you what. Go ahead core. How close are. We to seven figures at this point. Not not not not as close as I would like to be. But you know, knows I was very far from the exhibits when I was in the left and hear more ready exhibitors, right away. So, you know, give it another year so on and we will be on seventy have them. Does it kinda make you wish you left the UFC earlier? If this kind of money was out there waiting for you. Not at all. I enjoyed fighting. You've they have the it's, you know, all things I it's a great organization to be part of like, let's be on us from from from the very beginning. The moment get the fight that signed. You know, you're literally like taking the lead all the way, I'm very thankful to all the stuff that that worked for the today have made each and every single experience of dealing with the great amazing. You know that they finally, and you say the way you can see that it is a good company to work for in that sense because you see all the same staff working since my day want to UC till now, even the company was sold and still the same people remained. So, you know, I it's a great, you know, it's a fine. Fine. If I'm that was great for me to be part of that. But you know, I look forward to this new chapter in my life. Just curious also, Artem you're an part of it. But what did you make of Nevada's punishments last week, first and foremost four your friend Khanna McGregor getting six months and a fifty thousand dollar fine. Did you feel like that was just? To building. It is what it is. It's kinda hard. I'm not a judge. I'm not a lawyer. I don't think you know, if you know the person starting something, then I don't think you should be punished. I mean that should be considered self defense. You have to respond to what you just stunned. Then what do you know what I mean? Just let them I let the whole thing unfold in it was a case and there so you could understand that gonna have to react. But you know, it is what it is. Let's just move forward. Let's just put this behind us and everyone of their their punishments, and let letting the cage where where we should have settled in the first place. And I couldn't be more. But just curious the one year suspension for Vira. And and did you feel like that was too much? All things considered. I mean, it is probably the right decision. You know, you know, especially given the fact that these if you're giving corner six months, then you have to give them more giving them they just jumped in from outside. They weren't part of the fight. So you should definitely know give them more into Byun. They I mean, they should consider them like anyway, because if gonna have breath charges they would have been looking at jail time. So I don't think that's VERA punishment for them. I think it's fair. I think it's just how do you want to return like in an ideal world? When would you fight again? On us to guard rail. That's that's that was probably one of the biggest reasons, I I I left is that the front that. I absolute low fighting. I mean, all things I actually just love fighting. I wanna be fighting all the time and I used to do that on a regular basis. I remember someone how often I used to fight whenever I used to fight every four to one days. So for me to go from fighting every month pretty much through to not really fighting at all if I think once a year that was just kidding me. And I have to be realistic as well. I'm thirty three years old. And I I'm not getting any younger when my prime right now. So I wanna be fighting all the time. I don't wanna be sitting on the bench, and and just looking out there. So so I hope to fight very soon. I hope to fight. Let's fight next week. Let's fight the week after whenever show me that contract. Let's get this annoying stuff out of the way. And let's get to the fun stuff to fight. How many more years you ought to do this for? As long as my body allows me, you know, there's one thing. I kinda set the myself the moment, I feel that I'm not improving anymore that I've taken a deep, and I'm and I'm way down because of age or injuries, or whatever they might be. I the onus myself, and I will retire hung them up. But until I'm I feel I'm feeling proving and I'm getting better I will keep on fighting, and I see improvements all the time. I mean, look at it in my last fight that went through with number ten the guy in the world and the weight loss of mine, but wasn't guy in the wake of both mind and local done. Well, even was one one of the ground, and she just told by by thank on. So of course, I'm excited to see whether what the future holds I'm excited to see how good I can get. I'm excited to see. How people do against me when they cannot take down. I mean, what are the books are going to tell me one that I love because it's always been the guy. Thanks. Down. And then lays onto for me. That's the only reason I ever lost the fight. So imagine in books when they kind of take me down my K one when they can take down. What are they going to do them? I think all the way to well Indian Artem are you surprised that even your on this losing streak, but still it seems like you're more popular than ever? Does that surprise you? You know? But, but that's that's again that's coming back to, you know, people love to hate. So they find a way to kind of try and get under your skin or your loss of your this. And that, but truly when base sitting at home watching my fight, they know that this money brings everything and it's a competitive every single time, and those that you wanna see you. Nobody wants to see them records where where the guy just know full over until ten seconds. And to be honest with you, I hate when when fighters because I feel like you're cheating. The you're treating the the. The the guys that they your salary you tuning the fans watching the state five they paid money for it. And I and it's not real fight. You know, they never have to worry about that. With me. You know, I love my they support me. I I know the things you always give them the best fights that they can possibly see the real fight is part of you Artem that has happy about being outside of the because now you can no longer hear the oh, you're just here because Conor McGregor. You're now on your own path. It has nothing to do with him. And you don't have to hear that anymore. I didn't mind roller. And I will still say again. Yes, I wasn't the the beak by of me being in the was the fuck that. I I was wasn't the fact that I'm gonna friend. Of course, it was gonna get. But the words Dan that was not that was on the the reason anymore. Look at any other for look at even my last fight. Like, I said I was like oh my event, and you didn't even hear much about the main event. All you heard was people talk about my fight. So and everyone sees that end of the day. Like, I said again, you're see they only make money people watching their and people watch my. So that means they make money, and they make money everyone else makes money. So I am happy to be out over the year. See, but not for the reasons that you mentioned. All right, pleasure. As always, my friend. Congrats on a great run making a lot of noise. Getting a lot more. I remember when I first met you several years ago, you were trying to get that fight. I do believe against Dennis Seaver and a lot of people here in America. Didn't know who you were you were with your coach John Cavanaugh in Las Vegas getting ready for one of Connor's fight. I think it was you have see one seventy eight and you're campaigning very hard to take that fight on a week's notice. While now, everyone knows who you are around the world going to be very interesting to see who you sign with how many deals you get please do keep us posted. And thank you as always for coming on the show to keep us updated. Thank you so much you on the show. Eilly was great being on the SPN for the first time ever. I look forward to being on a many many many more time for many many many more years. I'm going to take over the game. I don't give up. I never will. I'm gonna keep on fighting as long as my heart is beating and quitting. Thank you are very is the Russian hammer himself, Artem Lobov stopping by giving us an update on his fighting future. Okay. Let's move along. Now, one of the very best fighters in the UFC is name Islam Mafa. Chef he is sixteen in one. He has won his last four fights in a row. Of course, he is a friend and training partner of one hubby Mogomedov. He is coming up a win over Cajun Johnson back in July. But we have not heard much from him since his name pops up here and there, but now let's talk to the man for the first time ever on this program. A lot of people excited to hear from Islam. He's now on the Skype machine from Dagestan Islam. Salaam, aleikum, I brother, how are you? From on the line. Good hearted doing very well. Thank you for joining us. This is exciting. I appreciate notes late over there in Dagestan. So thank you very much for doing this. Let me ask you. I am I know your name has popped up. And I know that you were supposed to fight franscisco turnout o- at two thirty three. But then you heard that they took that fight and moved it. Why haven't you fought? And why don't you have a fight since July of last year? You know, when you're in should give through now, the the the don't ask me about despite about this don't say nothing, but I okay, my Instagram and bottom people send her fight like this journal the, but I don't know about despite nothing about the statement, not Lee not my manager. Not there's nobody called me about despite nobody else about okay. So as of right now, you don't have your next fight. Correct. Yes. I'm still waiting for expire months. Waiting for next up on? I'm training every day. I'm I waiting for. Excellent. I saw your friend Habibur Magomadov last week on Twitter and essentially say to Kevin Lee. Hey, fight, my guy Islam Kevin has been talking a lot about fighting hubby, but was maybe trying to stir something up, and then you respondent say, hey, Kevin. I don't hear from you. Did he ever respond? You know, if there's any interest in making this fight. No kidding. Speak too much. Don't sit on their nothing, but Jesse does speak. I I I know I ask you what about I don't know. Maybe try revived by Bentham. I am in will give insured about about. But I wanna find this guy because he said Lara pitch about about Doug estan survive. With me about my team. I wanna smash market win doesn't make a rare. You feel like he's talked too much that he's crossed the line. They just just in that. Is the interested in making this fight to the best here knowledge on the? I wanna put him in like baking in impudence. You want to send the back to the prelims? So is the you have C interested in making this fight. I don't know. Maybe if we refined in Russia by the interesting in rush, I know in Russia. My my like my team iphones it by the rating despite because say lot of racial rushing front. I understand that you see is going to rush right in in April. I believe are you going to be on that card? I don't know. I'm I know they say on here on the being Russia in April. And that doesn't make it for me. I am ready now in March in February in April dozen if they give McKinley I. No matter when no matter where is it. A little frustrating that your last fight was in July. And here we are in February. And you still don't know when you're going to fight again. On you know. Early when her migra go I'm in. I'm in good shape. Fant. I Milo jolly I wanna fighting kluber the October November or December should give me and I need the rest after after this like big training camp. I need rest like couple months, and though him now I wanna fi- just in February or March. And so it does seem last night. I guess I missed it. But it does seem like he did respond. He didn't respond to you. He responded to Habib saying about you the man can't speak for himself. I heard he's already to hurt. Did you see this message? And what is he referring to about you being hurt and shins message? But I hope I hope ivine contract. Oh, yeah. Because then I see that you did respond to March thirtieth Philadelphia. The train is moving here. You're making things happen. Islam. All the real. Okay. And right now, you are you are in Dagestan right over there. What is life like for you guys after what Habib did to Connor? I feel like all of you have gone the lot more famous over there is that I know it's hard for me to go outside and his a lot of people, you know, that wanna talk to him and game. Attention. Is it the same for us? Well. Not saying, but after after a heavy after loss fight like everything changed. Out of people in in in. Shit very famous. Is it hard around him? A lot of people coming up to him. It's hard to have privacy. Letterhead for. Has changed. Or is. He still humble is still the same old Habib or has head getting a little big. If they handle. Still training his humble, it's raining everyday. He's in douglaston now as well. Hinder your son? What did you think of the Nevada Athletic Commission, the punishments that they gave to your teammates Byron Boubacar? What did you think of the one year suspension fifty thousand dollars? I don't agree with this decision because because Naroda give us abide Ron here. I don't understand how. They don't do nothing. But they don't run out of go inside the cage my Connell function. I. Back on just defense. Where where were you where were you during all this because I think initially people thought that you that guy in the red in the red shirt that jumped over, but that wasn't you were you even there? I'm I'm I'm not jump in there your, but I. I'm Doug job and jump inside. But I'm interested is closely. Sched- when runs punched this guy did this I stayed with him. Okay. You are you're a part of clubs corner. Yeah. Okay. Did you get hurt? Did anyone punch you in and all that? Nobody punching. But one guy I don't know his name is working in UC hit like gauge me like like just Beckmann. That's okay. That's good and Habib getting nine months and five hundred thousand dollar fine. What did you think of that? I don't know all you him like with like this because when when McGregor attacks boss, they give him I don't know how much they gave him. Nothing. Well, he went he went to jail, but he couldn't find anything because he wasn't a licensed fighter New York. Don't pay nothing. But now, it's just not small money think it should big money. I don't know how they they give him like this decision. Do you think it's do you think it's fair that Habib got nine months five hundred thousand and he's got six months fifty thousand. I don't agree recision. Alea via Habib said that is not gonna fight for a year. He's going to sit out as long as Byron Abu Bakar can't fight is that what you here as well. And so I think if I think. When when when your buyer and finish finishing this this decision disqualification in October. Maybe by the by same same same. Same iran. He I know he is still his still rating for discrimination from your bottom of were you worried that that you would get punished as well initially. I I I don't I don't like thinking about this. Because because we him if they give him this quantification if they give me despite vision, doesn't I don't I don't think about this. They don't give I think. Wow, I'm ready for next week. Okay. It must be unbelievable for you guys to see how popular the sport has has gone in dog. It's done in Russia like to see some of that footage of how the fans react there to you guys. And even when I understand when you call Kevin Lee last week, everyone went on his Instagram, and like spammed it and said Islam time and all that stuff. Your fans are very they're very passionate. I don't know if you know this, but you have very passionate following Danny fighters. In in on Russia. Have I have. Big big fun. Steam, like a no, I know my team I finish. Everybody wants to want to see my fight this currently. Have you talked to BB at about what you guys will do like, I said, you're sixteen in one you've won four in a row, and you're getting close, you know, if you fight a guy like Kevin Li like you're now in that discussion will we're talking about maybe top five. What happens? He still the champion. It doesn't look. He's gonna lose anytime soon and your number one contender. What are you guys gonna do them? Although we don't talk about this. But amid said in the if the if you give your fight. I coming issue in initially for training camp saves you rumble rather returning again here stunt every day. We don't we don't. We don't think about that. Of. You would never fight him. Right. I am I'm the same. All everyday. In the gym. But not for money not at a UFC event. Never brothers brothers. Don't fight right. Thank you. You're so people on the sender's, but not like browse rely Cleo, brother snow, right, but one gym that understands that is the American kickboxing kademi 'cause they've been in that position the past Jon Fitch and Josh Chac, Daniel Cormie Cain Velazquez. They don't agree with that. So you're a perfect fit over there. I like this. They understand. On. So will you go? If you get a fight in March will you go back to San Jose for that camp? Of course, I'm painting. I think four weeks on on will decaying indicate I was just at a K last week. And they showed me where all all you you fighter. Stay when you come from douglaston. You all stay together in like a small hotel. And have your Mendez told me that he's told Habib like you guys can get a mansion you could get a big house. But he said, no, we have to stay humble, we all have to stay together. Why do why do you do that? Why not have a more spacious place, you know, fancy place things like that. Why not now that you guys are so famous, and there's so many of you to try to go somewhere nicer when you're there. I know we're looking for big house closures occa-, but don't with. Really like stay on medical Bill theoretically in a five four minutes. This is for us like we go. We went to go to training. Before like, five minutes. Ray ray. Everything about them. You know? We rent big because like twenty five five midway to go before ending and Hamburg. The issue. This is Mick them. If you can't get heavenly is or anyone else that interests you. I don't know. I I wanna find me scantily. But the if they don't give me I'm fried. Doesn't make a whole. We saw how personal three three more three time in. I wanna fi- timing near in two thousand nineteen. We saw how personal gut between Connor and Habib leading up to that fight and Kevin has talked about, you know, the Russians and Douglas Tanis is it possible that that could get the build up. If that fight happens that it could be personal like that is something that you're worried about. Long. I think understand this is not joke this special. This is not from. From. People. This is if like something about about my my mic on through my my team when I when I say is mission doesn't matter where. All right inside outside. No, I think everybody on the senders and just to be clear has your management. Have they talked to you about this fight? You know, if the actually interested in it. I don't know they give I suggested, I don't know. I'm going to call my manager asked about this. Okay. Well, hopefully, we're gonna talk to. Very sure they go ahead. Sorry. I hope I hope. Usually about despite aren't we will ask them as well. It's it's nice to have you on the show for the first time keep up the great work continued success to you in the team. Some like my brother. We'll see you soon. Good luck. Any then? I hope you understand guys. Mine english. Very good. Very good. Actually, I was told that you're the funniest guy on the whole team that you're than that, you have a great sense of humor. So over time we will get to experience that as well. I hope I wish in new four months months ago on little forget fingers. It's okay. Great job. First time. Thank you some pre sheet. It thank you. All right. There is some off of climbing up the ranks at one hundred and fifty five pounds wins over Chris. Wade Nik Lentz Gleason Tibo Cajun Johnson last two finishes in the first round knocked out glaze Tibo in just fifty seven seconds. Then be Cajun Johnson. And what ended up being Cajun Johnson's last. You have fight. Back in July in Calgary, four minutes and forty three seconds has one loss on his record. That was a knockout to Adriana Martines is somewhat shocking knockout had happened in just a minute. And forty seconds of the first round. That's the only blemish on his record. That was in his second. You have see fight other than that. Absolutely. Perfect. Young just twenty seven years young from douglaston, a mini Habib if you will and on the same path other than that one blemish appears to be moving in the same direction as one could be near Mogomedov. He wants Kevin Lee. I miss the fact that Kevin had actually responded not to him. That's why I think I missed it. But to Abib, and it seems like he is pushing for a fight Islam is March thirtieth. In philadelphia. That's the ESPN card. You'll recall Kevin was on the show a few months back talking about walking around at UFC two twenty nine with the bulletproof vests and the Irish fans were there and the Russian fans were there, and everyone was kind of coming at him. But no one actually did anything. So if he wants a fight and Kevin's one of those guys who somewhat like, Ben aspirin has a lot of seeds planted all over the place as far as feuds ongoing feuds, if you will he's he's got an opportunity here with this much of that would be a lot of fun. And then perhaps if he gets by then he could get the fight that he's really been talking about for three years. I mean, if you go back there was a time when no one was talking about be and Kevin Lee was talking about wanting to Habib. This is not a new phenomenon just because. Habib is champion. I my heart. Just thought I must say I'm sorry for going off topic here. But my son's teacher just send me an Email with the word surgery in the subject. But it's like it's like a thing that they did you can't put surgery in in a subject line from a teacher. I swear my heart just stopped on the air right here. The word surgery was in the subject line of this Email, and then I just see it's like some, you know, I mean, really you can't do that. As you will soon hear from your child that we perform surgery to. I mean, what what is that what is going on otherwise great school, but little I just felt my heart. Stop there for a second. I actually felt it stop it just as and it's not even like capital S surgery. It's under all under case lower case surgery, really. Questionable a little bit. I hope they don't listen to the show. I mean, otherwise, very nice people. But maybe next time you don't put the word surgery in the subject line. Maybe that's not the best thing to put in the middle of the day. Like, maybe to say like, hey, we've got a fun little project that we're doing maybe something like that. Jeez. We're tracking down Elliott, those ease and his team is telling me that he's on and waiting to come on. Corporate Jake getting a little snippy with me back there. I mean, really raising his voice if I'm being honest Elliott Z's the manager for one is I'm manager to the stars one of the most polarizing controversial figures in this game. But no doubt about it has at this point probably the most robust. Client roster as far as you have see fighters are concerned. Names that we wanna talk to him about Henry pseudo Marla, mariah's, Frankie. Edgar evening Magomadov Ray board feB Mogomedov again Comorros Mun for Magomedov Kevin Ghasem, even rumble Johnson who showed up at the bare knuckle fighting championship event on Saturday. Everyone got their pennies in a bunch thinking that he had actually signed, but he's not actually fighting. He's like an ambassador of sorts like one of those guys who's gonna do PR for them. So everyone just calm down. For sure doom who's on the show last week asking for his release, Nick Newell jar Eubanks list goes on and on and on Kelvin fighting for the belt this week while Mariah just fought in the main event, always lots talk about with a Li the headman over at dominance MA. So we'll talk to him in a matter of moments. Hopefully afterwards, we'll talk to John Edwards. Who's a part of that press conference in England last week is actually another press conference in England this week MVP, Paul Daley that fight is coming up very soon in less than two weeks here in Connecticut at the Mohegan sun. The most talked about the the most anticipated UK 'em may fight ever, Paul Daley. Another one of his guys, by the way, these guys and it's happening at Mohegan sun in unconcealed, Connecticut, why I still don't quite understand. But it's actually happening. It's actually a full weekend of bell tournament at Mohegan sun. There's two events back back Friday Saturday, and then there's the UFC on ESPN card Sunday. So it's a really. Busy weekend coming up in two weeks this week, and of course to see to thirty four coming gasoline versus robber Whitaker. And then it's in the Komen event. The people's main event is route Asana verses Anderson Silva will talk to Israel Sonya in the third hour. Also, talked to Robert Whitaker the rest of the card, if I'm being honest is a little thin, but I wanna remind you that we're back on the radio on terrestrial radio on Saturdays. So we're back for more. We did our maiden voyage before the first card in Brooklyn that was last month, and we're back on ESPN radio Helen show on the radio. So we're on television tomorrow midnight eastern time nine pm Pacific on ESPN news. Also, the shows replayed one AM eastern time ten PM Pacific on ESPN two back to back. Multiple opportunities to watch the show. That's how popular this movement is. And we've got that. And then it's I think it's gonna replay later, but then we also got the radio show on. Saturday from three pm eastern time to five thirty PM eastern time. You can listen to it on your radio. Satellite radio. You can also listen online. We're getting two and a half hours. So we've gone from an hour to two and a half hours. How great is that? It's incredible. And also for those that watch the show on Monday. If you think that the TV shows just a one hour condensed version of. The Monday show. It's not we have new segments. Like turn back the clock fund one last week. You've got a really fun this week where we kind of take something that's happening today and turn back the clock if you will and compared to something that happened in the past and also three stars where we highlight three individuals who had a big outside of the arena that's coming up on the TV show tomorrow. But for now, let's go to the sky machine. I do believe and say Hello to our next guest. This man asked me to come on the show. He says that he's got a lot on his mind. And here he is with his sunglasses late twelve minutes late. I've been wasting all this time. And and now he's just fashionably late there. He is Ollie does ease manager to the stars. Ali. How are you? I don't see you supposed to see. Well, you see yourself right now. Right. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's how the magic TV works. There we go. Hello. How are you? Severed your face a little cut off there. Do you? Do you mind just framing the shot a little bit? Just move it up a little bit there. Yeah. Move it up. There we go. Okay there. It is perfect. You did great. Oh, you have to hold. It. Is that annoying? No, no. I'm going to have somebody. Yeah. Where's one of your many assistance? They can hold it for you like eight. Yes. Your brother? Sorry my. Well, it's nice to talk to leave. Because last week. I couldn't help notice on Twitter. You called me a bomb? You know, you re tweeted my postal, it's nice that you're on the show. I'm happy to talk to you sometime you I'm not saying about something in news. See some. Well, it's it's very sunny in your house. Why are you wearing sunglasses? I don't feel good. Okay. Well, thank so. So you didn't feel good or you don't feel good. Marlin didn't feel good last week. Let's talk about Marlin what our performance he was sick. He won. But now, there's a whole confusion. Right. There's a whole confusion at one thirty five because you also have your guy Henry talking about TJ, what is going to happen. We all know that you run the see. So tell us what is going to happen. Yeah. I remember see fail and I'm working on to running. Okay. Great. So what's going to happen? Tell us. Listen in the they you know, one thing I not della shots beat beat. Shot have some problem because thin time out of ten hitters. Don't come out in time. About the whole thing. Inser to you, the shot is just that is that derail, you know. At the end of the day Marlon Henry, they they want to be or champion, they burst or they start trading break. I'm just there for both of them. Given the opportunity in the world champion make may debris side of make the most money get a families responsibilities. But in very interesting situation. Because now n- my opinion hinder is the you've C which is why which because you're gonna be champion coming off a lot and my opinion. I think Cody to rematch. What's his name TJ? They should trip from the final. And they have Henry among each other for depends on winter or, but I notice is not reality. Yeah. I know TJ wanted they no money. I got income diamond enter you on it. But enter the model is by half of, you know, it's a, you know, he he's given hair cut the whole way vision, you know, he give. Sal, head gut if forty what's his name Jimmy Rivera near cut if not Jerusalem haircut. He's become the biz Barbara news in just is very hard to deny him. Thilo show at this point career, make no sense. But he's place. If one flight left that conflict is I'm it run. Listen, I think the individual right now. Amidst great cody's comeback got got Henry's. Right there. Right there. It's it's a it's it's a good place to be Marlin took place to be Henry and just have one unless not enter the understand that business run. When I went to so many great lives. I understand that will have to fight right right ender. They everybody. No. When they lied. I'm gonna be home than egg is going to be running the show. I'm just gonna watch TV. But you know, this is not about me. Like, I said, I'm master servant. The are my masters and every individual dream Marin have a dream in reality good. You have a dream. They all have endor- the they're gonna fight for victory. They have to fight each other. They confide. What he thinks happened with the flyweight division. Are they getting rid of it? They listen like people aren't gonna say they're going to get intimate. If they'll got rid of it that will enter goodbye another chance. More nitrite bring TJ down because they thought you should have shot, right? Unless if somebody's going to all the way what Henry to lose at the end of the day, the you'll see can whatever they want. I don't know what they want. Right. But it's your job to win is your job to loose. But you control you on vested. I think Henry controls on destiny, and he went out there and knocked out teaching three times not point five enter punches. And these guys I wanna remind my opinion doesn't do is over. He's just my opinion. And I think if eight talk is in Kleiber. Dila Charlotte people the the greatest of all time is dominant groups that teacher that that's if he could to cut you the funds. Good he was beating and you got the punch, but you want, but he's not the greatest with all the time in I think Dominic Cruces. But what are you gonna do in Marlin than if you're saying? How's he what's he gonna do to mess? Bali's? Pretty okay. I'm gonna get a new contract. And he's got an gonna fight for the moment. Marley. All right. Okay. Let me talk to you about last week your clients even made off Zubaira Abu Bakar, they got their suspensions. Connor got his suspension as well. Be gets. Nine months, if he wants six months films as PSA and five hundred thousand and then buck are Tobia get a year and twenty five thousand do you feel like Nevada was fair? You feel like they got it. Right. I'm I'm gonna return about this. Because I really like the guy was. Understatement. We have a lot of respect for him. But I know about it doesn't make this decision to make recommendations in listen under. They I'm not gonna see it is what it is. You know, we have to move forward. But you know, just is very simple. You know, he said his finding that anymore. We know how much I do. Is very hard to change his mind. I think was very very hard survivor, and we'll go get year. Listen, I'm going with community. It is what it is. You have to make an example site, but how you gonna give how you're going to be other and get this Irish prostitute. In this little is Irish. And the guy is nice. I frankly about second us through like ripple on the fan of amid the as. You know, the guy jumped on the case these times like it, did, you know? I don't know. I really don't do it. But in the date of his mind, I'm going to support him one hundred percent Nevada. I need to do. They look to go. We have to they have to. We're ready when we read bracing under fifty thousand a check between rather on the lawyer. So have you made by ramp way through this guys they make five twenty five gonna penalty. Right. And is great because they have paintings. I'm more as early. But at the end of the day, I want to I truly want to. After Campbell from the redoubt. He's dealing done. I went to Jayme lawyer smelly. You know, the the Nevada. Listen, it was a lot of work with a lot of drama. Let's the mayor was there. And I think that was the problem and one of the biggest sports events by eventing awarded was huge responding Nevada idea that you know, they they didn't have fairy that injury about fairly know that you have to be firm, but didn't Auerbach via for right? This is my so you told me that you told me that he's going to sit out for a year while his friends are suspended and he's gonna pay their fine. And he's hoping to return Madison Square Garden ov- ember. If that remains to be true, who do you think he'll fight? It hasn't Tony Ferguson. Right. I want something different. Right. What do you want? What I want them up. Lied about. Doesn't math. Tony. Again. That's you know, listen, you'll see what they do right now. They they run up more. Right. They understand they need to get caught a backward. They got a match up with Lael like somebody who got her have a chance to be. I don't think. It's easy fight. But. But they in the process, maybe have you moved. And after that Connor again for the final because this be real. This is the rematch with. But the little run not. If it smashed the year, we'll get smashed again him and his own property that will get opened in inside the cage outside the faith in parking love, Michelle. Our you. Don't don't drop the baby snow out. They just. That would not that speak us. But what about Tony arena has to be Tony? Listen, listen stories is a thirty six years old tweak. This is what he is any twig. He could drop a refined guys of implemented the guy blocked me one day off while the on of his view radio. Right. But only one it would be one of the be fought Marvel's been spreading bits. That is brought I like with we just so up Winker. It got the lead. Right. And oh, that'd be be the real estate night, those guy women as right, but I think in guys get an order of the greatest Basel qualified. Reference. Number show, everything. Tony's Sony's Donis, whatever don't. British having fights NT ninety nine but is almost beaten. He will tell me. But if you think is the line, I think that'd be will be Tony fauria an out again. All I really believe. So we'd beat him up. Doesn't matter. This have conceded only God. He that this man can have defeated. I said last night last week. We saw another one of your clients come loose men. Another one getting title shot. It seems like Ben aspirin is under his skin is he focused on time Woodley here. What's going on? There. We saw the footage of them confronting each other where he confronted him. What's happening there? Let me explain to me. I mean, I was poisoned in bed outside right poisoned. What do you mean poison? Yes. Somebody like him somebody tried to kill you. Yeah. New York who. Bites. Somebody tried to poison legit. You think someone poisoned what your food your drink? I don't know. I was I was in hospital to what kind of poison. Doesn't matter somebody. That's right. The poison someone kill you. Yes. I'm trying to. Yes. How do you feel about that doesn't matter? I said if you my friend a loving more, my friend, go come around me because I'm a lesson. You think it's one of your friends at did this. No, I don't think it's my faith. But listen, it is what it is it happened. Well, listen people being tried to kill him for years, but I'm stealing. She's Louise are you? Okay. Now. Yeah. The reason why because the news Rogan for two thousand eighteen specter game, I respect the I don't think I'm bigger than the game. Okay. But yes. You were saying Roseman my own my face. Yeah. The modeling code enery. Frankie of your smart this guys they run. I don't run. Two thousand eighteen the headers simple. So what's happening with this aspirin? Is that the next fight regardless? Listen of that I was being told cookie Covington Nike get Donald Trump. Knicks. You know, I was dying by smart have intention, nor is asking, you know, this baskin's nice guy. He's a he's final. No. And sometime, you know? I know smart brought on Microsoft's Frank. On the rest of my. Doesn't play. He doesn't play around. And you can't play African you cannot leave African understand because he been there hunter and Brian the security. Ben estrin will have a print inside his head through the wall. I'm telling you he was gonna do. I was not there that I got there. I police he said I'm gonna work on doesn't matter. But I'm glad over there over there. Because you don't listen. Ask you know, he wants to be an interested. Right. But at the end of the day. In that sometime you put so much smoke out again inhaler, and that's what he did on even ice on used by cell phone or smart again, I started conversation with him. But you need a sub was I'd oursel- bed. Nobody vacuum up. The he's a nice lead vastly. He's a nice guy. But he's a nasty guy. Like like, he always looked on recovering unsecure south. I let him do it. But you cannot sick smart. And he see you gonna is just how you talk to your nightmare. That was African men. Is different culture different. Nobody will come from an I'm asking is that with the wall was he was going to do it. I know. Okay. Let me ask you about some of your other clients here because you've got a lot that I want to ask you about Frankie. Edgar is. He gonna fight for the belt next. Izzy funny max, always far as you're concerned. Brank young you're fighting Holloway or. Everybody over the whole entire sports over again, you know, listen. I'm Joe more respect. You know, that might not have problem the vast. Thank if he's got respect hoping is right of your spent an this relationship wait before. Under understand cranky. You've ever data. L comeback. We've cup. You know, see, my no special, although there show you I'll say. But I think. Supervise a light seat in the future. Other Marlboro as a thing. Yeah. That'd be fun. I'll let you see I got lots of spec album. But we see what was the. Has. A now you have clear cut number one contender. You know, w does not fight Matt's opportunity radio. He didn't make when we moved off. Right. I don't think going like. But this does not deserve to be. What are you talking about though, he doesn't he's these suck lose winning streak? Rather doesn't matter. Doesn't matter win streak light. But heavy fight him. But at the end of the. I think I think only purpose is like a white sheet is have no spice got cheap sunglasses as what what you represent even present. You. Didn't present nothing. You know, these guys Connor hero present he represents the biggest piece scumbag. All right this. We was only present he's like a blank piece of paper. You get boring. But you know, he's a fighter, but I think is over over Stein Stein. His odes low. The is reduced getting released. He was on the show last week. He wants to be releases getting. I'm going to something that. Yeah. Ever do commission will see whatever would be personally lead command loan Bieber, zoom alone. And I'm sorry. I was every time I have or I don't I'm broke minimum speed in this absolute legend that a lot of sport is leading guy of overnight almost be forty two. You know was that we know how about. Headquarters. Let's say that's what I. You know, resigned was out his whole bunch unsecure, man. They trade that you know, that was I was I was out of Rick. Let me ask you, as you know, we always talk about this thing you made the joke early on about how you run the Iran PF L, you're soon going to be running Bella tour. You know, so funny. Yeah. Fucking asked me why you never asked me you have been telling ten years in the game, the only guy ever left his cycles. I managed over thirty world champion. Nobody ever lied. I get more support anybody. He'd never asked me. I talked about this. Why always asked me about some? Enervate was what when we did yesterday. Made yesterday about the show all coming sessions around there. Volley? The theory seems to be that now that because you testified on behalf of the U of C about not making the pays the payments public that this is why they give you all these title shots coming gas on. Komo news men is that true today. Say to you find our behalf we'll give you all these title shots. That's what everyone seems to be saying these days, that's the new theory. You know, it's not about what I believe. It's about what's the truth? What's the truth? Does the what bro? Listen to me. I've been asking for this or for years have been doing it for and they say exactly what you've been going for you. I'm gonna say you don't think get headed. Fuck. I over time. You don't you know, I wish on all the the guy had argue me was make doesn't really arguably. Right. Listen, I hunted knives. Let me read I was reading more than all of them. Right was raised a fucking hard headed mother won't let me let me make something clear. John fake, unlike right, I trained with him spiraled him. But how the fuck on fixed said these guys can cannot be a million about five four millionaire. Then okapi a million dollars each. Listen, get the respectable respect. Everybody. The whole thing as business manager. Maven promoted. Over guys here. Put your guys where is the best for that rear. And a lot of great manager who not only some of you know, the whole thing is I'm only I don't care. What everybody does. I don't if they think I will say your seat. All right. If I think would be a fair fight this. What I I wanna work for what if she do. But it's ridiculous. You know, coming Guzman run was pending Nasmyth just beat jock Carita, Chris wideman. Understood and is a great match. When Monica get a shot. You'd be we're going to say. Listen, the respect smashing. They'll strive to make these up on him beat him and kick him out of the C. You don't think arm? Told would love when it got released revenue went through an emcee. What he goes stalking about? You know, I'm listen. What I'm I mean the business of killing people. Right. That's what Rabaul on you. So right. Who's been supporting Ray Ray runoff fighting? When he told you. Right. Yeah. Resort. Also. Right. This man who been supportive, right? I don't talk about what I do. Because you knew the good team with me about your understand. But entertainment, I understand listen, if you if you if you might support me, thank you so much for me you. I don't care. I used to bothered him. Oh, this is some. See some I can give a flight. You know, I understand that my over the word holiday is me is the but end the day. Hey, no, I'm I'm crumble from Egypt. Vince Russo much in my life. I can never measure in the us it I'm here to buy all missed it. Give me respect he worked so hard because say, whatever. I worked so hard. I worked so hard. Nobody can wait for me. But this is not about me. Colin crony, these these none of is not about me. I league we have to we. We are at a time. I'm sorry to cut it short. But it's a good to talk to you. As always, I hope you feel better. See Miller with. I'll rob row. All right. You heard it here. I thank you say out there. Okay. Don't get. Don't get poison you safe. All right. We need you. Okay. There is a liability is all fired up. All right. Let's move on to our next guest patiently standing by Liane Edwards fighting gutter Nelson on March sixteenth in London England. Let's go to these machine and say Hello to Leon rock Edwards. Leon I'm sorry for keeping you waiting. I don't know if you heard our last answer, but when like five minutes long Lee likes to talk. So I apologize about that. Hogan in good. Yes. I'm doing very well. My friend good to talk to you are we so I I know that last week you Darren kinda stole the show, but you have a fight on your hands against the very tough guy in Gunnar Nelson. Are you now are you? Now, kind of putting the Darren stuff behind you and just going to focus on governor. Because he's no slouch as you know, exactly exactly all the faction of prescribe fronts telling tell guys that was a fight to making that was it in all main. So now, I'm hundred percent folks gonna Nelson the the monster, you know, man. So that's why haven't you fought Leon since June of last year. Why has it been so long to get you if I mean by the time you fight it's going to be almost nine months. Yeah. I'm not in December Russell joys Marceau except to the fight. And then he pulled out 'cause says it wants to fight. Nittany as in the navy as and that didn't happen. So now now we are. And so was it a little weird sitting right next to MAs Vidal as you were talking about him. You guys we're seeing sitting next to each other. Was that awkward? Now, I'm going to flying heritage. Speaking faction on us to fight may than it is what it is here. Now in about good good for handgun announcing after being seven seven winning streak that behind the scenes because he didn't say much to all the whole thing was going on. But behind the scenes did might as well say anything to you. It didn't say much funding because it was the same hotel together as my. Lift came down. It was stunned the right lane. Wow. What? No, no, nothing was said. I went my way is late. And that was it to the best here knowledge. What has the you have C told you about why they didn't give you the until fight because it did seem like a no brainer. It was England versus England. Birmingham versus Liverpool. It seemed like the perfect fight for that venue. Why didn't they end up giving it to you? Do you know? For more of of the the mention it to tell didn't wanna fight. Yes. It came to me told me that they're overbuilt both guys in den fun line. So does the plan to build building bills? Kate winning make bigger find down the line initially when you found out you weren't getting the main event, how disappointed were you? I was passed said gonna Nelson is still is a big night and gonna Nelson's been around since the Bama days in Europe when his find new rhythm same show together. Mentioned together about then. So now to get the opportunity to him now on India to prove a point in the best while to in your no wanting to well, so we'll say do you feel like or Nelson, even though he's not as highly ranked as Dr until is arguably tougher than Darren till? Yeah. Percent upper edge. Dr until technical was like, I said don't striker is ten those star. Because in the UK that finds exactly like Darren tells you going announcing he brings over different title. Coming knows today. You come to shoot down getting back in go for the already looking forward to it. He looked phenomenon. His last fight has his his body was changed. He was you know, he has looked good in the past in the you have C, but just what he had done as far as conditioning was concerned that you see his last fight in Toronto. And we're you impressed with what you saw there. If I didn't did nothing different way normally those awfully up into that point when they got albuque-, you know, what I mean, I feel more than what it was because the blood the blood technically defend is saying that there is a fight, right? From the western what it was it. Did look good in China is a fair to say that if all goes well, March sixteenth for you that you you want the winner of the main event is that what you want are you setting your sights past the winner? That make sense win a much much six doesn't make sense ossified winner. Go from there been seven five out of beta winner, again industry Lynn taller shop. That's my point for five months again in June, July and an entity should be tied contender has UFC told you if you get by Gunnar that that's what they're gonna give you are. They telling you what their plan is for you. And then they mentioned into that's my in my head. That's my focus. Was it uncomfortable for you, or because you know, you're pretty mild mannered guy. But you were talking a lot like that wasn't the typical Leon Edwards that we've seen in the past that at these media vents, did you yourself? Okay. I need to make some noise here. Or was that just you being a little bit annoyed and feeling that you had to speak up other speaking in the snake, in fact, like I said, everyone everyone everyone social media knew that was to make are telling offense. That was a fight to make main little verses? Bam. Bam the comedy number the commentary contenders in the UK. There could only be one snake? That's all that's saying. This is is number one in in the summer is dead in want it. You're not gonna Nelson do feel you have to speak up more to get those bigger fights that that at the end of the day in this game having colorful personality being outlandish being the squeaky wheel that gets the is that what you need to to take you to that. Next up auto. Caparo winning enough. No more. You know what I mean? Time end of the dice to entertain the tool to be loud. And I don't feel winning enough. No more in the does that bum you out. Now is it is okay to allocate with it. Anyway. Kiewit in personnel. I was surprised to degree just given the fact that you fight there that your your brother Fabian, who's turning into one of the best prospects in the UK ended up signing with with Bela Tor, not the UFC how did that go down? And why did he ultimately choose Biltmore over the sea? No kidding in his own. Don't thing on me all forced into for ever whatever he likes over there. In. They find the next is fine on battle of this weekend. Fundamental versus sixteen fight. On the five or no the kids the savage in. I'm looking forward to go out there and performance showing the while just goods will you be at that fight. Yeah. According to a corner of every okay? Kimball ado, every five probably more nerve racking than your own fights. That's that's what I hear that the worst exactly like it. 'cause I control you can control it. What happens is Tim than in it? So it's magic as much are you bringing in anyone different to try to mimic Gunnar style. Not only his his ground game. But his striking styles a little bit different. Are you going to bring in any different training partners new training partners to try to mimic him? Grand grand gamewise. I'm also account needed. But I'm going struck in like, I said. This strike is ten of dozen people or the one main trading partners. That's trying to out and conga just of his game. I've been watching for many years now kinda know gonna commit where's your Patrick Ewing? Poster by the way. Now. Okay. All right. I didn't think he put it up. Just for the interview. Right. I thought it was a fixture. Well, i'm. Poster. Okay. Perfect. Also, don't turn your back on the fella Jamaican. My man. You know, you've got the power of Patrick behind you. Nothing can go wrong. Exactly exactly drugs are Jamaican. Enjoy why you can be. That's right. That's right. I'm looking forward to what a great, you know, double header that is as far as main event combing event Darren till versus where he must Liane Edwards versus go to Nelson. Tremendous fights at one hundred seventy pounds March sixteenth at the o two inland. And I believe tickets are almost sold out if they're not so already so it's going to be great atmosphere coming up in just a month and a half time. And that's on ESPN plus here in America. Thanks for doing this Leon. Appreciate it. Bus of luck and training care. Good fidget. Yup. There is rocky Edwards aka Leon Edward's, brother Fabian Edwards competing for Bill tour this weekend as well. As you said, but March sixteenth that goes down in London on ESPN. Plus there are some of the notable fights that you can see on that card and look that prelims at twelve main card at three pm on ESPN plus Darren till versus for hay MAs Liane Edwards versus gutter. Nelson also of note Volkan Ozdemir against Dominic Ritz, very important fight at two hundred five pounds and. And of course, fight that was just announced Martine versus Joe Duffy also taking place on that card. Let's move along. And talk about you'll see two thirty four in my opinion. It's a to fight card as far as big names are concerned. There's the main event Robert Whittaker's is coming slim, but the people's main event, my friends is in the Komen event, and it's Anderson Silva versus Israel at Sonya, and it goes down this Saturday night on pay per view from Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne Australia. Joining us now via the magic Skype. How cool is this? I believe he just woke up the one and only Israel the last style bender out of Sonya joins us right now is how are you? Good morning. On our? Yeah. I really appreciate you doing this. Did you just wake up? Yeah. Without any help. Just go by myself on the board. Wow. What a legend. Are you noy that you that you had to wake up early? It's easy already a of anyway. So yet who has a little bit a little bit like on. Because for this. Appreciate you doing very much. I know it's like seven thirty in the morning over there in Melbourne. So thanks so much for doing it Israel. It is finally here this week is here this is. I mean, this to me feels like I said the people's main event, it's so the fascinating style match of the backstory, all that stuff and more. What does it feel like does it really feel like you're typical flayed or does this one feel a little different a little more special? Honestly being like hundred just feels like a regular fight while just being being here. Now number by week soon as I act up yesterday ready to leave my whole, my buddy just knows are we do this again. All right, and then just goes into the same routine same mode. So it was just like another five. I heard a story Israel that you had to go to Sydney to see Dana white and convinced him to put you on this card and to make this fight against Anderson that they wanted to save you for another card is that true. Yeah. I was supposed to headline the ESPN card. But yeah, I think it was at I wanted to Anderson or Shaq array which was to her from the Chris Wiedeman fight in those too close. So yeah, I was ready to go New York. But I kinda just put my idea better. And they're like, my I was just me and him small room and talking about maybe forty minutes. And yeah. I'm very persuasive. All's able to changes mind, I would imagine that you didn't only talk about Anderson for forty minutes. What else did you speak about? Spoke about a few things need to know basis. What I'm talking about? What happens after the fight? Oh, we talked about me fighting, you know, 'cause I think I wouldn't point while we're talking while. I was speaking. He looked at me and said, I always like that. And I said look data this hit my first rodeo, I'm not like, you know, one of these kids jump in the too quickly. Like, I'm doing this for a long time. So Yankee, look, moose, knuckle and the. Yeah. That we just talked about life as well a little bit. And just. Yeah. It was cool. The meeting was that your first extended sit down with Dana. Yeah. My first extended sedan with him on interested in. Yeah. It was good. Because I remember you saw at the club right in Vegas. Yeah. That's why after two to six meet him. I'm maker. I just kind of walk into the rolling by accident. Yeah. We kinda stood around talks. And then I go to 'cause you know business. Yes. You have to leave them wanting more. So what do you say about after the fight? What happens? You'll see they should stay tuned. I can't take much, but what I wanna do is. I just want to bring back some some disaster fighting possess. So things are going to play out the way I plan than. Yeah. I wanna I wanna -rupt out on light up reliever. Rena exploded at the end. Could he gives a hint here? I mean, usually someone would say like oh title shot. But that seems a little more a little more involved at our light up road labor arena. And okay, so Bom the whole played explode. So yeah. In time in time patients real is it imperative that rob would occur winds on Saturday slash Sunday for this plan to play out the way you wanted to does it involve him. I'd like him to win. I feel like if he wins. Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna wink just if you can play that look at the division the way it said looking division. Yes. I mean. Yeah. Just fus- called the Santa of element. I guess to all the cats. You gasping Lynn. No, no, no. But Anderson has come out and said that he was promised a title shot. So I would assume the same stipulation is on the table for you. A already dicked only taking this fight, which is cool. And I like I like, yeah. I like that he'd go Honey dickens. They can fight with the title shot and in another universe in another like time line. If he beats me, then I think he deserves the shock 'cause I am the guy that I feel like, you know, if he can beat me in another time line in another like dimension that yes, he deserves every everyone at a title shot American plight. Rob Kelvin and run off into the sunset. That's another time line invest time lent in this game. Where on play a one, it's different. So yet he Honey dick regardless taking the fight. For those that don't know what does that term mean? Could you explain that? I got it from the movie with Seth Rogan, and it's one of king going on. The interview on dick like ten like a rope a dope only con. Yeah. Con. Like a FOX dislike dangle a or this. Do you think? Anderson respects you. That's a different question. Do I respect? I don't know. I don't know. But I don't I don't really care. I think he's nice guy troll. Just like me. So yeah, I don't really buy all this Isla waiting for the as we as say though at the whole. Leading up to it. And then in the fight McVeigh's went full on the as at him. So yeah, I'm before the fight whatever, I'm cool. He's cool. But in the fight. Essay medical pool retard retard. So what kind of Anderson do you expect to see hasn't fought in two years initially? I don't know if you saw when this was announced everyone was like, oh, what a mistake my hurting your ears. What's happening, then my hurting hotel? You find talking, you know, I it's always interesting at forty three what kind of fight or you're gonna see especially with the long layoff on. I know it was going to say, oh, you know, preparing for the best Anderson. But but honestly, what kind of Anderson? Are you expecting see a slower Anderson? And like what how do you describe what you're expecting to fight? So initially enersen did not take the fight initially. He said he didn't want to fight imagine. That was around the Friday member the Sunday. I got a call from Eugene. They said said, yes what he means. Anderson said he has what for me. I knew that they made offer you can't refuse. That's when later came out like he on the dick title shot. But but what I heard I can't I dunno McManus said he spoke to his all-talk would on taekwondo coach or something and he told to take the fight because the good challenge. So actress to believe that rather than you know, he's doing this for the title shot. I just believe the fact that he wants to take those he really wants to test them. So even at forty three years old. And I think I'm gonna bring back the anisinov old by is probably trained the best prep the Besse's ever practically last week fights. I think he's been board is been bought everyone's trying to take him down. You know, nine finds a guy who wants to strike with him like with him. And. Yeah. So I think he's gonna come ba- free. We can play the GameBoy one of the thing. Yes. So I keep hearing like like, oh my God. In of destroyed this that I might look even let him use TRT. I don't really have. But when talking about his age, they kept on equipment him to rob. What's his name Chuck Ladele 'cause the kind of announce around the same time the same fight? This is not the same and also out of iota metal. He's like forty one. I think at this point. Okay. So when he fought rubber with good twice. And I would it could beat him twice was dry. Can't remember said are twice. Said Noah said all remembers to all you only beat up on. So when I be NS it's going to be like you beat up all, but what rove Whitaker. The remember twice signed understand what the disparity is like they're on the same AU why they gave me beating-up legend. I mean, iron k the web without or something. I thought interesting like they come in at me. Like, I've decided I'm just gonna I didn't know he was going to be around at this time. But now that he's here I have to take his fight because it's destiny. Those my shoes running shoes understand you think you'll be clean in this fight. I don't care. I don't know. I don't look anything. Could it doesn't need to prove anything uses doing this. 'cause he wants to do the great show for his people. And so yeah. You know? Was that? I know I like you're lying saying that, you know, he's a troll. I'm a bigger troll. And that's why I feel like a scenario might play out on on Saturday night where you are actually mimicking him and doing his games. No one's ever done. Like, the Anderson to Anderson, I feel like you know, is Putin as possible not thought of that that scratch that. Okay. Gonna do the Israel decided to end some get that. Right. All right law h mimic him on him. I'll be you go back to my first flight when I was just a wild stallion when I didn't know really much about distance. When no about things when I didn't know about shifting shifting timing on. I was in the round with people. I was slapping people in the ass tapping them on the back of their head looking in the crowd dollars. How I fought. Mel just how I played the game because it was fun. I was having on trolling. So yeah, I wanted to. I mean, you can try and troll me. But well, I grew up with intimate. So I'm a big troll. Him. So we we've talked in the past after your last fight about your former fo- who did you twice outs ahead a coming out and talking smack? He actually brought him to his training camp and train with him for this fight. What do you make of that? Song yesterday that says I was a little bit. Each yesterday saw his way at the hotel. I went outside to go try to grab it. And I walked back in see of van see them coming off the van, and it was all them. I think there was shocked to see me just standing there. Waiting for them. And yeah, they shook ones where they gonna do. What's gonna do for? This. Can't go hit it with the left hook, bro. And you're gonna fall. Okay. It just did it to like try shake me. But like, he's a troll. So that's a tool move. I don't care. Whatever helps sleep at night. He's gonna have him in the corners while yelling shit to me Portuguese or really bad English. I don't know. And I can't really get anything. Anyway, they're saying, so I this is my corona here Eugene's voice air on voice. And I hit twister yelling. All the only thing. I hear while. I fight. So. Yeah. I don't know. They can they can do whatever they want. It's normal. When you when you saw those guys did you say anything to them or did they say anything to you? I looked unlimited looked and it was like seven of them understanding their bare feet shorts on the on kinda. Not gonna look homeless. So I don't know what they what they made of over. Just like I dunno. Okay. Have you faced off with him yet? Was this Anderson? Have you guys done a like a face off yet? I've never met him in my life. Wow. When's the first one it has to be coming up today or tomorrow, right? I think the press conference on Friday. Okay. So what I've heard personal Friday, but been on the workout as well Thursday, and I'm probably seem over workout. And yeah, I I'll see him at some point. Such a skin Mitchell is real you'll limiting bleeds can kill him. It's a it's such a fascinating thing. Because I can't like if I would have told Israel to send you watched Anderson Silva beat Patrick Ota you've seen ninety that you'd be fighting him at Rod Laver Arena in two thousand nineteen you probably wanted to believe me, right? Elmo on alike. Zeal be done by then us looking priding to forty two. So yeah, I mean, he's still here. He's still with it. You know, the, bingo number men and a half. Like he lost flight calling me. Hold up. It. Flipped you. Sorry. No problem. Yeah. Sorry. Another call on the scoring Skype man in the middle of our interview for scammy ish out rude. Yeah. Also after the workout is it at a may wear help. Oh, yeah. I have I have all the information. You want me to say it air for are. You can eat employ it up plug it up. Engage fight wear meeting greet this Thursday, the seventh of February from seven pm to eight thirty pm at the MA fight store at mobile and CD there it is you see that look at a little poster we've got there. Graphic graphic. We got the hashes my guy. I gotta hook up my guy Israel to Sonya Kyra, France and Shane young. We'll all be there. Check it out this Thursday, February seven from seven to eight thirty pm local time that's local in Melbourne. So check that out you'll be there. That's like two days before your fight. Yeah. It was right after the open workout so wrath over workout. Okay. We'll head over there to some stuff to the people get some babies small away their whole possess and then. Yeah. From my away and also. Yeah, it'd be heaps of merchants while by the way, okay? On sale. All we inform now starting now and they make like store. All right, there there have you played this fight out in your mind times. Like even dating back to when you some calling you again what's going on? Again. It must be Anderson. It must be Anderson. Trying to troll are out. It's its own Jessica rose for three or four answer. You ensign gonna knock out what flight near you bomb out even got my Skype. Call. Can I just make sure I guess go ahead? This is the craziest thing maybe it's just gross Clark. Maybe it's just Garot's Clark trying to troll enters to be Israel at assign. You a random person calling Israel and telling him that he's going to get knocked out while apparently not liking the the stuff that they who was it was it was it just rose Clark. I have no idea who it was. It was just some maim Skype. Name mice got like a whole code matrix type thing. Yeah. So they call. Yeah. Where people aware of men. Can I just ask have you played out this fight in your mind? A million times even like when you were found like what if I did fight Anderson. This is how it would go. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna end this. I'm gonna block them. I'm gonna block them. I don't know. How to do this? You could still talk. We will. Yeah. Talk. You see me? Yeah. Yeah. We're all good. Don't worry about it. You'll come back. Have you played it on your mind? Like you already. See the way this fight is gonna go. Oh, Cali shit this person. I'm so sorry area. I don't know how to block people pry, I'm giving law walk. That is weird man. Okay. Where at this time of all. Yeah. Spare seat the nerve Anderson sending? He's on all levels. See Follett Trump already like games, I've been gone. So I was just out of my head for the find out of my head like all the time all scenarios, and I haven't said on the countdown look. Wanna engage clip. I said like a lot of people situation. I did be too nervous to between nervous to open up because they feel like what if I fail, but for me personally out of if I go in there, and I just like like this just rose person says get flying need in the first ten seconds, again knocked out that suck. I mean. But what I really wanna do. I don't care about win the losses. Will I really wanna do this show off in this fight? I really wanna show off. I wanna show who I am. I want to show a lot more my skills than I did in the brats of ours. Fight the breadth of ours fight, I went end I like shadow some shit and mice some, you know, I mean, I should strong was fast hours, creative. I was so in this light, I wanna do more of that. None of my favorite final latch, brats Avars fight around five rounds or one times. So this. Yeah. I mean, even to the second round, I'll be happy. I can't wait great stuff Israel. Thanks for doing this. Again. I really appreciate it. Best of luck this week. Best of luck. In the flight. It's going to be amazing Israel Sonya versus Anderson Silva, one of the most intriguing fights at the put together in quite some time this Saturday here in America, you to thirty four fun stuff Israel, much respect. My man. We'll talk to you after the fight Joel that era Hawaii thank all the Jessica person mama block them on a call back after New York scar on blast kept fucking with me in the realizing that put him on a screw mcchord him. Then. I put him on blast out my flight. I might do the same thing with this. Yes. Do it. And let it. I got myself into. Or fight week. It's a wedding game. Now. So fuck with the trolls to tell us how does later there is the last style bender himself, and again, you can see him Kaikoura France, Shane young this Thursday, February seventh at the enemy fights stores. Seven PM to eight thirty pm. Okay. So that's the Coleman event main event is Kelvin gasoline challenging for a belt for the first time be middleweight title against Robert Whitaker rubber Whitaker finally gained that opportunity to defend his title in his home country of Australia. And how exciting this kind enough to join us so early in the morning over there in Sydney, I do believe I do believe he leaves tomorrow here. He is the man himself Robert Whittaker Robert how are you? Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Have. There's a pleasure. Thanks. What you're doing this? And I'm my right tomorrow. You are going to to Melbourne Sydney right now. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. I've been out of the unfor- as long as I have. She's just unbelievable. And so we all remember what happened leading up to what was supposed to be your first time defending your, title and Australia last year, and it was just all kinds of things bad bad stuff happening. We're things happening. Where are you the superstitious type or either type that was kind of stress throughout this training camp hoping that nothing goes wrong? It seems like we've made it. Okay. But where you kind of freaked out by last year's experience. You know, I think it wasn't because it wasn't just because of she's experienced. It's every father's experience to be on us like anything that can go along real Rome. It's just a matter of trying to mitigate that. And and work around whatever, you know, what is happening. So how did this camp? Go. Caymans? Great can't great. You know on matters to take a lotta boxes. Hitler skill gaps and gay, you know, put it in all the work, not another. None of my skill sets in for these fight. But like with a lot of my other projects with the Gracie program, you never polish and doing a lot love that stuff. What programs? Are you talking about for those that don't know? Well, we have a we we run on average crises Parkway program that that we run out of the gym and have a few business on that will come that. And go in there and do some mentoring on on the side when you're always focusing on the father of mission training. Would it be fair to call that like was this something that you dreamed of being a champion defending your belt in Australia? Was this something like when you're planning your career, man, this this is an experience that I want to have here about the have it this weekend? Was that something that you thought of and dreamed of? Yeah. It's a it's a huge mall from the, you know, one one of the big Balsam for me was the first one was I wanted to get the building and bring it on. And you know, a fortune enough to to do that. And I guess the next step was to defend the boat that on and you rea- she after two straight fights against a guy who's built like a brick house Yoel Romero, and I aimed at the fight of the year last year one of the rounds of the year, you you took shots from him at the fight him back to back drop to you. Come back, all that you break your hand in the fight after that experience does feel like you could do anything now because I can't imagine anything worse than going. You know, ten rounds against you over Maryland winning both of them, but taking his best shots, it sort of feels like at this point. You could do anything. Do you feel the same? Thank you for that. By the way, you'll ran rear part of the luck. Appreciate that acknowledgement and gay or said, it said it before that their division should be dissuaded by the fact that I took Ramirez best shorts. Afford him for ten rounds. Fifty minutes of farting and come with win to us injured birth thoughts. You know, I. I'm not to be underestimated. I'm not going anywhere. You know? And you you need to come in there with we'd be best game. Join technique. Your last week fights against Romero. The other fight against jock race, Ozaka all killers all grade. Opponents you consider Kelvin on their level. It's still feels like he maybe doesn't get the attention and respect that he deserves at one hundred eighty five pounds. Do you consider them to be equally as tough, maybe even tougher than those guys? Yeah. Definitely, you know, they definitely doesn't get the the prophecy deserves. He doesn't get the look those. But you know, always oh that guy. And and look what I did. No. I on very aware that he school said, very good. He's very well rounded, but a big thing. I think that would be rose at he's tough. He's hungry. He's young. And you know, three combinations of any fighters is is dangerous. I would argue that I think that you're the most underrated. You have see champion right now, you have taken that thrown from perhaps to Beatrice Johnson or Daniel Cormie from year or two ago that you still don't get the attention that you deserve. And I know you've always said that you don't care about that stuff that you know, the belt is just the thing. You're just going out there trying to win as many fights. You're not here for all the attention. But my onto something here. Like like, if you were being honest with yourself, you don't get the same kind of attention as the other champions. Do you agree? Yeah. I done. But again. It makes it all the more funds. So go out there, and then sure people and convincing that. Yeah. You know, I'm I'm the real deal lose up with Dana white saying recently that you don't do media. Every time I asked you to come on you come on. What was up with that? He was I felt like he was almost blaming it on you know, he'll feel the. We lost communication, you know, between some stuff on these and whatnot. I always try to jump at media can even like, I'm always. So you use hoping that always responded to to to doing any of that. They're the anything that have a problem is when they want me to to miss a training session to hit an interview. And I'm like, whoa. You want me to win fun. So. Kinda rake one. But if you work around me like we get it done. You know, what I mean, you're always to work, and we live on the opposite sides of the good. So. Does seem like you cleared the Dana because he was in Australia to I guess award. You the G Q was it the sportsman of the year was that was that the award that you receive from him back at the twenty eight teen. Was and is a very honorable occasion. So so what what is that the like is it just the best athlete in Australia? I think it's just okay that's standing sort of a ward for for for the sports category. You know, they g netting over very prestigious magazine and throughout to receive that, you know, we're moving into the the law of like you mind, shrimp. Sports nail. Is was unreal. Did you get a chance to sit down with Dana and clear the air? Oh, yeah. We we spoke and. Yeah. Every every everything guns. We'd like I said, it was just you know, Mr. mutation. Okay. Are you getting I know you're not in Melbourne right now. But from what I understand the tickets sold out very quickly. And it feels to me like, you know, the the top fights are really, you know, the marquee fights on this card. They're both in the same way. Classes, you know, you got Anderson there, but Israel there you've got you there. It feels like this is all about the middleweight division. And it's all being led by you. You are the face of this card, and in many respects, do you get the sense even from home in Sydney that this is a really big deal. Or will you only truly understand that and feel that once you get to Melbourne tomorrow? Now, it is be deal. You know, this is my country and become champion them on soil. You know, this is that your if you're combat sports fan. This is this is the far to watch. This is the price to be. So, you know, go into this fight with with those pressures, and knowing that this is, you know, this is my stage. And this is my mom lot. It's yeah. You know, it's just it's just what it is one of the things. I know you're focused on Kelvin in your true professional. But in the combing event, we do have is rod Sonya versus Anderson Silva and both are implying that if they win they get the fight. You are you hoping that one wins over the other? I really take sides that the division. I think it'll be hard fought. I think you know, both both guards are very very dangerous. So they're definitely curious to see how these had that fought piji. Yep. Yeah. Always looked on on on pilgrim fathers. You know, probably even blink. Oh, positive for a second. Take me out to focus on infidel. Who do you think is gonna win that fight can ask you that Israel or Anderson? I think I think Anderson, I think Israel would have been hard torture innocent in since day and think think innocent. This point. So. Yeah. You know, I guess, that's my opinion. But if if anyone can pull off somebody spectacular and out of the blue and silver, so it feels like at least from your answer that you're leaning towards Israel is that accurate? Oh, it would have to say it would be five it. Okay. And Kirk me from wrong, a fight e regardless of who Anderson is and his history and his passes champion a fight between you and Israel in Australia or even a New Zealand, but I would imagine it would be in Australia because you're the champion would be a bigger fight than you've versus Anderson. Is that accurate? To be honest, if I'm party in shell and he's on so in the house. That's that that, you know, the countries this. This is hell hell it is the beauty of the situation. You remind me a lot of George Saint Pierre. In the sense that George Zimmerman talk a lot. No trash talk. No theatrics yet put him as champion in Canada. That things sells out in a matter of minutes. Your situation in Australia's slash New Zealand feels like the exact same thing. Like, you're the second coming of George. We haven't had a champion with a similar personality to Georges do what you are doing as far as ticket sales and gate is concerned. Have you have you heard of that comparison? Are you okay with that comparison? I haven't. But you know, you know, Joe Joe chain saint-pierre is going to be great. It's worries and not so out of time. So two three even you know in the same sentence him. That is is is great thing. I know that you don't in the past. You've said that you didn't love the Bobby, knuckles, nickname, Monica. But now, I see that you're selling t shirts with the nickname, Bobby on it. So what's going on over here? It's it's one of the things that. Pay them. Join yes. In fact, according to your Instagram, all the shirts sold out. Yeah. They did. They did the it was one of the things as soon as as soon as you say, you don't like something you don't wanna be called something everybody. Everybody sets calling you. So I never really wanted to oppose the name, but I want to jump on board either. But yeah, it seems to be to be my ficials second Nick Knight. Now. So I wanna it seems like the fans are trying to tell you something here, and they want you to go with it. What are the chances when Bruce buffer says your name on on Saturday slash Sunday that he actually calls you Robert Bobby knuckles Whitaker? Zero zero come on t shirts. It's one of the official. Unofficial shirts nicknames. You do realize if you would have sold t shirts that said the grim reaper. They're they're not selling out as fast. Yeah. No, no. But maybe this approach of not embracing if you will is actually working out and making it even more popular. So so what do I know? How are things at home? Is that your kids in the background over there? Cloyne to redress, try hard. But they they good. There's craziest, you know. Three hundred three can be are. They are they coming to the fight. No, they are not they are. So I'm looking forward to two wins. They wanna go number watches for that matter when we go to mauve and get to work. You're keeping them home. You won't even bring them on the trip. It's it's strictly a business trip. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's no time and it's time for me to be selfish me to to focus. You know? It's it's the time that I draw to the office, you know, and have to from that stuff. Kelvin has gone on the record and says he will knock you out in the first his manager was on earlier saying that he will knock you out. What do you make of him continuing to to stick by? This prediction, you feel like he's not respecting you. You know, a lot of that said that and logo. That, but you know, to to to most of these guys have this appointment. What's your prediction? I'm coming. I'm coming to really good. You know, I'm coming in public healthiest and strongest thing. So. You know, I'm a I'm a I'm a great fodder on my bad day. So Yeah. You can take that. As you. Will you have looked amazing since going up to one eighty five known as yet to defeat you? And again, I would say going through what you all did in June. And then the previous summer. Just absolutely incredible. You did it with one hand in the second fight. I'm so excited to finally see you back in their Robert because it does feel like it's been a really long time almost eight or so months to be exact very exciting stuff. Also getting to see you fight in Melbourne and defend that title, Melbourne. Of course, the last time you fought a Melbourne. You knocked out there at Brunson in the first round. So it's always cool to see you fight back there. And it makes you in my opinion feel like an even bigger star. So I think that's going to be a cool byproduct as well. Thanks for doing this. So early in the morning safe travels to Melbourne and good luck to you Sunday morning out there can't wait for the fight. Thank you so much. I appreciate you guys. Having me on again. All right. Always a pleasure to talk to the middleweight champion of the world. One Robert Whitaker coming off those two great wins. Over y'all Romero. You'll recall you have C two thirteen you have sea to twenty five to be exact he got the unanimous decision victory over Romero the first time then the split decision victory. And that's the lineup right over there. Prelims start at six fifteen on UFC fight past the first pay per view of the ESPN era. And as you can see for paper views, the prelims the early prelims if you will will still be on five pass. That's the last fight pass. You have see fights if you will in America for pay per view, if that makes sense only be on pay per view five past the early prelims. Then you've got the middle prelims eight to ten on ESPN. And then you've got the main card headlined by Robert Whitaker versus Kelvin gas lamb. That's on pay per view. Here's the lineup of stuff. That's coming at you on the ESPN family of networks. Either did. Title or linear Friday, seven pm official wayans live on ESPN, plus and by the way, no ceremonial slash official way in thing this particular card, it's just one way in because of the time difference it's going to be the old school way. And so the quote unquote ceremonials those will be the official weigh ins as well. You can watch those at seven PM on ESPN plus also at nine pm on ESPN. Plus, we'll have the pre show live on everyone's favorite platform. And then Saturday look at corporate Jake leaving out my radio show. Second time in a row. Why no love for our radio show. Corporate Jake, explain yourself right now to the masses no explanation from corporate Jake look at that way. Didn't get to read it. I didn't see the end. What's the end? I didn't get the read that. But there we go seven to eight air on the bad guy live on Twitter and YouTube really, I didn't know about that. And then one AM Poche show live on ESPN. Plus, I'm not going to be in Melbourne, by the way. I don't know if you guys know this because I said I had to be back here on Monday to do the show when you go to Australia, you can't be back, and guess what? Guess what I can't. This show. I can't do it. Youtube Twitter television, tomorrow, ESPN news and ESPN two. I can't miss this show. But I'll have plenty of coverage of three to five thirty PM eastern time on Saturday on ESPN radio. I will be there. You can listen online. You can listen on the radio. You can listen on your car all those places more quickly before I go a couple more things Charles will VERA, Damian my with the big wins this past Saturday in Fortaleza. We also had the whole manned. The newness situation is ongoing. I will tell you more about that as the week goes on. And also I wanted to tell you about one who they wanna tell you about those another guy Josie Aldo. I spoke to you about him arm released. I told you about everything we covered it all the show is over beltway this weekend as well. Their first European event. Hey, corporate jank didn't say hit the music all of a sudden it's getting a little trigger happy over there. What's happening? Jeez. Louise, nobody's been fun day. We're out of time to thirty four this weekend. I pay per view. And by the way, did you notice on Saturday? Oh, look at that. What do we have over here? That's the picture. That's the Ben aspirin. Something tells me it's not legit as promised on area. Hawaii show there. It is Kamara who's been. Yes. Wearing the shirt and the afro, I had no idea. Wow. There. It is legit. Anyhow, thanks to all of you. I'm looking forward to this weekend. A lot more programming to come. And remember tomorrow on the show? I'll tell you about my trip to California last week. I'll give you my three stars of the week. We'll turn back the clock. There's still more to come Emma may reporters on Wednesday as well. Thanks to all our guests this week. It's been a fun day. I hope you enjoyed it. If you miss anything check it out, I tunes, Stitcher YouTube Twitter, all those place, some more. Thank you Marla mariah's. Johnny Walker aspirin lab Ben aspirin, Artem lobe of Islam of Ali abilities. Leon Edwards Israel out of Sonya. And the reigning defending. You have seen it away. Champion Robert Whitaker back next week. Same time in place until I say.

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Best Selling Author, Family Success Coach Siva Kumar & Savitri Siva Kumar on Inspiire Mantra show about their journey building the Family First and Ma...

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Best Selling Author, Family Success Coach Siva Kumar & Savitri Siva Kumar on Inspiire Mantra show about their journey building the Family First and Ma...

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They liked what they don't like so when they like something. They're moving ahead with admitted. Don't like that winning. They're just abandoning something. Moving right so what made you beta particular corporate leaving the corporal decision after you met with an accident. And what made you to come back and you do. The family forest as as your career owed and to transform so many less during this journey. So what made you decision now. After the accident we located to our hometown cheap. The reason we went richie was i wanted to recuperate. My bones to join took time at that time we had children coming from the neighborhood and we would sit on each plus three a teaching them the evening. Then you're teaching them in the morning somewhere. We followed fashion. I calling our highest calling warsaw. Lose something to eat speak. I never realized when. I was in the carpeting because in the cockpit only quarterly targets Dockets monthly targets. 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You started from there when you left your corporate environment right so what sort of phases you win. So now you're not an late that ansu Land you are your own end up brand new and you out your one gaas who serve your passion on it but in dunster financial things in all the other entities. How would you guess able to manage because this is not a simple thing right to of society which is a very very beginning so even so much. There are so many allegations and us even salving. Someday ins- going backwards not fraud but still having optimistic obedience but then you started how you deal with those financial ranches. No i one thing. I would like to say. We run our company for more than twenty two and a half years. If i concede is almost two hundred and seventy eight months. We had not learning met finance already money. But some i don't know Two hundred and seventy four months of the to seventy fi-. We never had a financial crunch. I don't know how a what happened. We allowed a lot of problems. I'm not saying we didn't have problems but we never had a financial judge. I cannot explain this somewhere. I think as you keep on serving the universal on supplying you envy atas generation onto. I now strongly defined father's will to work. They were into job and we just took a decision to start on our own and we wanted to be great so when when you started your own business has that is i think. Yeah yeah unable to listen to me yet. So when you start your own business and in the first senator family so you obviously have lots of things right so many people coming from business family if you're if you are title is going for the business. They'll be larry but coming from different backgrounds. They will question as right. So i will be those questions on lexi one thinks shula one. I understand. I understand your question. Probably because in society The it ain't doing man. You're doing it job. As regional head of a company will be the vice president of the company and then the backer of the company in sort of that. What are you doing you sitting with. It was like a jewish in central taking guy calculating. What are you doing with your life. Did keep saying that would one grade quality. We both have deaf. uncle donated. We normally simple the comments of other people society will say hundred and one thing everybody is somebody coming but please Will be one negative comment. There'd be fight boss to coming with me that yes Agreed there will be played. Boss comments the biggest people i remember. I took it breeding program. Many years back and oboe hundred faculty ended the program ninety six. Gimme a bus to comment the feedback. Four giving negative comment. I spoke to my Saad four people given me a negative comment saying they don't like the program you know what my mentors. My mentor said congratulated yourself. Four people giving negative comment is something owed of the word grin people should give negative comment negatively. He did they say eagle wants to fly. The ad is that assistance for the so. We don't have. The eagle cannot play without negatively. Incumbents we cannot So the first thing is we are. The second thing is that is a beautiful definition for happiness. Happiness is having a good health and memory so long of negative things will happen in lord of challenges will come to competition there. Lot of ill will be there. That is all off the game. The only thing is we wonder if any of that was that a lot of good things that have so you have on his one thing that i think put a long long time. We sailed attitude liberty simple thing. We heard many people talk about But we do it every day. We talk about simple things. we are grateful for. I'm grateful for sincere and grateful. That somewhere from under british. Hyderabad you get to call us and talk to us. So it is a union supplant and somebody is willing to listen to us we can only say thank you know november these images. We start building. You get women dumb. And then making decision wearing through difficulties. Non problem Life is beautiful. Walked me dragged. Everybody's life is beautiful discovered. The mystery discolored that so many things. For example we end the best couples dancer. Dodger has written a book on school radio at the age of just two weeks. Lack may not have an interview. Delano all the people. We've been to a middle class family. We had both marathon runners angrier. Writing books were running businesses. Many things possible in life. Life is beautiful. If you go to discover the mysteries i need genetically family will find the beauty of the next what we talked about in family. I that's great. Let's do that slade. Reason invite you know albany. A regular bugai. Feel lamaze than i wanted you in w of the second in my in my show. So that's the reason i still do. You have a week route. You know your blessings. you have accepted my invitation. That is really wonderful for me. So coming back to saturday Right so you. You said fifty years of age you New stop in sending schooner and you said you see the void and you asked her to write a so. I mean so many things you challenges. I mean see though you see you see that look. We are very simple in that. But if you compare with other families which are running all now if you look at the present so people are sending their kids to owning to become famous and it was voting for daniels. Ordered that absolately find. He has that great blessing. I don't have any of that. But people started sending Excitable betas wrong Also powered different kind of and then the mvp added that. How dare children going away in. The modern economy are the fast pace toward our is changing so as a entertainers. You have seen so many students families. So what do you suggest who goes particular families. Do we know as your advice what you see i mean what is this kind of situation and abu responded question you ask me beautiful Amicable thank you for having such a wonderful. I am grateful to you for that now. I cannot explain that in one party. Line okay just imagine that as each may go. She eventually game to us after hutton. Standard very quickly by the dame he shows you a shared review. How this happened when she'd Examination she got the average school and that was the when hood friends are classmates. Were taking the lemon standard subject. One was taking of cameras. One was taking up science and she said. I don't know why i should take it out. What is it what. What does she was like confused. You're telling psychology. I don't even know the sailing psychology. So why should i do this. So that we as a family. Good decision Why don't you want explore you take a break. You look at all aspects. You see everything. That's what he's trying to show ensure the main concept that we have is every jaded unique explored the word to enjoy our job as the evidence is to proactive growing the foundation. Should roy the jade with and let the child homage offerings studied put example. I have more right to interest my dream online Because get into you become an officer all ugandan do i do you let it discolor the word for itself so you see a fifteen year out. The doesn't know what to do. Should i wish there do maths. Physics chemistry on accordance economic scammers. So she is destroying the three dots. Everybody will see the dots but nobody sees the white space. So i adore my daughter. But let us do one thing hispanics out with you you on an inch the world we will send you to the himalayas. That did mumia working your heart. You were the molly's you light to click for documentaries. You want to go to model united nations. I will get you blend. Get you gotta bombay. You handle the show. I really want but i am ready to take the yugo you discover been does no see what danny did was dining Guard will box then got into a job and then releasing the world no way should follow danny's formula and see the Daddy did not do anything about stock. Market delayed of thirty danny knew nothing about health. So what you do is make it in the stock market. You go find wanted this. Find one trading. We'd stocks to play opened wisdom mutual funds that he would you find if you make retrograde behind high in the water means to settle from host. Of course hopefully again on money not necessarily do normal industries companies only venue in college Victim apology to member of your day on i. Envy that does the first time that company nbc the atmosphere. What it does is not necessarily wait. Eight of nineteen twenty to get the exposure. You can get your daily dose. That is when he told you walk in did was i would speak to my doctor friend learning hospital in my doctoral work with you for two to three weeks. You get off the opposition. Take that they could do. The medical charges they administered. The substance is no liquor and this one as you king of them understood. What is queueing theory. Then queuing dealing not learn and call it. Let me just hit the shelves. She was practically able to play. Then i send one of the place where might start touchy. And he was having all onto and she was able to understand what is. Abc management saturday. She see issue works in beauty butler walks in ireland And she said that. This is constant. Auditing this is fires a roach seventy. She sees the by donnas box of the word and law. This is what i should study. No ob do different made at fifteen companies. Then i say every month. Mommy and daddy will take Conference we got out of a stinker. You said we will sit in the back seat. Wanna frantic oscar since gore the speaker. Give those stink. Gardening made stink She would do for another non ci will go and meet go sensu glenmede goes actors guild stinker connected them send them shield able to be The won't mind three became a good friend. He became a mentor. She wasn't mid june and he says was the the hindu us all these startups working. He meets this young. Get any city. Start it's going game now. Can you imagine a whole gamut of people start connecting now. What happens to our confidence. She said i can so many people so many people listening to mytalk emotions become a public speaker. That's essentially beaver on hill. She gets into the help. She understands disturbed marketing. She understands me sending from hosted the whole she can learn. No you'll be beat school Is what she has built. This is three dots. And this is on the side. Where you look at the white site that you get the Expedient is up night not just sticking to the dots of the subjects which me welcome Great so the reason we do this. I have worked with lax up. Children one is willing to listen to me. nog one of them is willing to take risks. Non one of them is let might j blue and see the word they all want them to go and levin to college to job the manage six still that said since we will take notice control. The wanted this and see that this history book jambi no imagine to. I've the parents are listening in each and every one big and you want john's to their i big you one. John's to make sure your child is discovered a new world. You would have never seen any dreams. You never seem engineer. James give them a jumps and beauty. The journey was not only exerting hud. It was exciting. But i saw johnson beyond so you become but it was a great experience on us from here. Only we got the idea of writing family. I see any any starts from a single step so you have taken a very very big understanding your child's future making her realize on her by adding some sort of guidance and advice. You tastic job. Said that as she got to explode so many different things in life bay everyone low off the southern age but for in that particular one year she brought enough thinking knowledge. Expedience expediencies the best digital for anyone in the world. So that's dot swayed. I believe in so you look up a fantastic phenomenal decision. Sending her out than taking that extra days shift. Dave stead saudi. So it is. It is not an easy to us. You know you might have not slept off the nights when she was out doing some strangers and it is not that easy you know everyone will say women have not of liberty in all that but still there are certain areas there are people there other families will use at and restrictions. Even after they've changed. Its on natural kid but they definitely you. Don't say that no you are supposed to go end though for cooking for your husband to take care of your parents to take care of your last and what they will. There are families there. Enter encouraging of data acute and they're looming in glory dead making a dave balance. Glorifying them death in danger of becoming famous in their but they wanted so back to the family for send. You have seen so many children over you so you have taken a decision experimenting on your daughter and you have got After that whether anything has changed the way people are looking at you. I'm sure they know once when to get success. People will look at but doing that particular process. You look of different things and payers. They will no one would ask those vision to water on bruce questions. You know the the problems you to undo being your best to do things yet. Seen do problems we have seen. The problem is. Is this whole experiment. Saturday kaz become famous. But no everybody wants says saga. You are a genius. You are child. Prodigy be attending Genius he started laying from the fight. Another non adjusted the word master. You started playing from the age of fight. It's not a genius behind. The genie is a lot of work. Is gone walked. We wanted to tell them this. Saga rico release. Savage is a but although children genius you have changed as a genius. You ought to genius. You are not ready to believe it because you did not take that step on. You've been there. And no using the word of genius and you also been approached but people are awaiting taking that approach remain evil. They say that valued at one to write a book that does not through. She be further exceeding. The book happened at the end of the year. That was not planned because even writing a blog every was part of expedience three sixty five days in one year. I'm she used to write a blog everyday. At least hundred words about what she expedients in that date and the end of the young she got an idea. Okay why not buy amicable goethe so. It's not good writing a book. She go but it was after the way that the capital and second problem is even keepsake. You can do it. You can afford to do nash from similar not bank on to in my you can afford to senator malias. You can do it or don't the time on the money some excuse e what we are. One of the busiest people enter doc into so many people being insomnia opposition running business. Not if we can find the time then you'll find the time and next you a better. When you are a baton is a decision that and being is not. God's gift does your planning. Your title is their priority giant reality. It is your responsibility to the very best. If you cannot let me use a little bit harsh would you cannot give the best. Windy use of eason's than white anyhow a giant. The festivus this do that. That's an sponsored things. Don't happen on. You have to do what request to believe done or does need to be done. This needed to be strong next agree. That fact of savvy so for when you started you have been to this particular engagement and keynote speaking on the other areas. So you also. I think it would have taken up latest. Is that this challenge. We have seen on now. Lots everyday hundred as logging. Is that challenge. That is for you guys are low for. I took that was nine. We profesional speakers that cessation of india. So they give up blogging challenge for thirty days so i took blogging judge and blog for thirty days. So we like these kind of small crazy couple. Retaking johnny challenges. We want to take of the so we did that. That's not how do more books we have two more books which already with right now what we want to focus on is view on the war on india and prolonged this family facebook. Because you're not written a book to make an income oak on get just popularity. This book is because we wanted you. A simple man would interrupt complicating. Us simple man will which people can follow and then by families can be happy. We want children to be happy new on this os to be happy. We want them to how intimacy we want them to have bonding. We want them to succeed. Because vendetta happy i think that energy from each and every family definitely get money has got said eugen Fresh the whole bodies fresh. If you need genetically families happy the country is happy. The nation is happy. And you how Happy planet one of with so in your book. What are the best. Three things with. You would like to are your son listeners. Three pins in definitely. They should go through towards the end. because the last two three The crux of it. But what we would like to see is just like you. How it'll bleep which taxis off first To backseats runway. Then once it gets to run we needs to have a moment of a speed and then it takes off and then it has to goose similarly. The family should work on i. What should we do do that. Is the hanger. The hanger is a place where you keep the cow to make them get into. What are the steps. You can follow so we give them some simple steps on what they can do. Who get into the runway. Once they get into the runway yes. They need like strong financial tools. Hendel's because whatever we want to be seven we have done it. We have experiment. And i don't beat from Let us say a still a warren buffet table. Something each unaided think expedient dick and so we want to can the tools because the family doesn't have a toolkit. What is the white the need to have the fundamentals which unfortunately most of the families don't have so what we did was made a very simple book easy to read simple language and many people have orders that it can be read in one sitting on so the language is very simple. The steps of edison. Even we have given an activity dark like this if you can see. The child are active. The job of winning leg upwards. Yes three was talking about. This is the fees we made it very simple find. The activity charges that available the downloadable chart set of illiberal on our website so families can download it. They can take tel. They can face it on the wall. They can follow it together and eat can make it fun. It can be a fun practice at the same time. You'll get banditry doubt. That does the purpose of and she would walk would said this is usually books. I read due to. Its but this book should be read together as a family and then they should download the jar and keep on working on it. It is not a dime us. It is a book that has to be followed that john has to be followed for weeks if the one their family to be an outstanding family though in a use the word outstanding it glaze word. Okay manage an oak Stool metro who bench metal. You a good match. This jamaica doesn't work the great marriage l. wanna create manage. It is okay. It's a distinction. But he wanted to interview outstanding marriage outstanding old of the word zillow usually vibrant and that is the kind of each annuity went out zone. Brought up photograph five different minorities right so according you outstanding fun family. What do you mean by outstanding family water leaky steps. You can advice to the people who follow. I wouldn't say three steps. he enlisted. Its own standing family. The first thing is you need to have the commitment damage. What would happen as i am with you together. And let's work on each and every area and making the very best the very best and and this is only about husband's okay wipes need not listen to what i'm seeing. No see what happens. Is it really the business travel. There'll be some stock problem that is going to seeing running three business late. No i'm sitting in bangalore. Don't team that is winning some but in some business. Somebody's going to do something stupid. Surely it is going to happen. Be glued on stock as Problem is taking bliss debt locate so this financial challenges better issues that we mother-in-law legitimate issues and then we'll issues in rotate club because you belong to any clubs the issues. No all the lineup soon. One week you'll have the issues. You know what i do. Is emily i out the outside tucson restaurant going Would so we looked at us. Get some good food. Relax spent three up nor children. Low mother nothing. And i just look into rice because you make it romantic looking at. Is this a way of looking at it. Just shut up. Sim phone said the stupid instrumental. Disturb your family roy site. Just look at a beautiful fees and keep saying will will guinea louis for three hours every week. One sixty dollars of the week of next year only men who lovely nuts on this keep on doing the sheva woman all the problems on you because then new understand so many things happen. I didn't know and then she would share all the issues after three hours gathered and for the next one week family life would be super then next week again dinner again. You can do that. I have done it for twenty six years and it is going swooped again. You have the consistency and keep on doing a secret author. Thank you so much. In fact i for me definitely i mean. That's that's really nice so in fact it is wonderful way. You have in a bus of ballot every you would. You're not missing beta listening to raw. But it is also making your bob. One more than more special than would together message is bringing up so that literally nice and coming via muscle By minhaj we have covered so many things we have discussed with your so. Your book has stood up. I was in six categories. That amazing a number one bestseller right so it means that the importance of the family begin yet is in this particular pandemic early this pandemic but moving forward for the gunman generations also because as the technology road as rapidly changing so everyone in or near chartres solutions onces for everything but do you feel that for family also. There is a shot solutions. Who the given that you know. Yes i really think the shortcut is along. That is shock or shortcut to a shocker muscle. Shock you have to lay. The foundation plotted with leading. You need a strong reading. You need a strong phone dish. That is no shot so we work hard on it. We keep working hard on it so we don't look at any easy solutions. Life is not. He's keep walking on it being ill being dale consistent this is what people like want easy one. You take one bill and everything you know who run a marathon. It didn't start plus gave. You're gonna run even hundred meters. It takes time savigny. God doesn't happen in one day. Nothing happens in one room is not at the the one thing they understand. This life is commitment. You have the practice. And that is dutiful imagining. You know. look at my stocks. One day if i don't look at my business one day i will know the difference door. Look at the stocks and business. One week i think ronnie owner but is the difference. I desert dedi practice Me underline the word deliberate deliberate means that he will light night out you and if you don't like it you'd like to get up in the morning. Do it to do your prime yoga do it. You don't like to run do it. You don't like to do it. You're going to look into your financial statement that business the investment family do it and if you keep on bring it i tell you life is going to become beautiful so in england in june that a better results can be produced by the things. Which you don't like to do you have those see many. We have seen in our expedients. They are not ready to face the fact that there is a challenge they have to face and then they help predict actions. You cannot keep on denying whether it is a health challenge or a financial challenges family challenges relationship. Jalen you say yes. That is a challenge. now. I have to take action. There is just one leg. So success is always upset the comforts of a new role model. Or gordon's seat Book and he says you push to being you push in pushed you come to the other side of a new heaven and let me tell you honestly we have not done enough. Compared to some of the families in our blizzard seem to be better but still a long way. All that is a long way will be bush will be unless he pushed through the vein. You're not going to see the beauty of wonderful wonderful. Thank you so much for giving you that beautiful line from goblins. I really liked it and it is very very much. Throw that when you pass the bane it will give you the flu of happiness. So this is almost at the end of or you know put Youtube my show. I would like to ask you a few things. In unique to announce in one way so that icon it a lapidoth file so that these for lasca Savvy first savage. You you'll get rabies. Okay so let me go ahead does within saga three for you will excel With you during these cells zoom zoom gone. So what do you mean by. Happiness in one is in one of anthony lewis. I think leaving a disciplined life gives us initial discipline. Okay so what do you mean by edwin. So what what do you how do you. How do you leave for your family safe. Great family the family. He's amazing lana. he's always learnings. I admire him for that. Okay about your profession. I'm very passionate about it. So fashion okay. So the three things to like. Most i love my family. I love my husband and my daughter. The three things that you want to read the society. I would say keep growing especially ladies. The men were in the house groin. Walking on yourself. He learning and Keep experiencing new things. Get new expedience ca. The three things that you wanted to do. I wanted to do i. I still want to do. I would like to learn music. I would love to bra and travel more. Thank you so saturday. And she won't for you. How do you feel won't risk risk each thoughtless okay. Cutting the family in most families savage took my life savvy. Okay so how you how you refer happiness in one. Would you have this boxing yet. Okay what do you call this dealer. Box the setup box box cook so everybody is sick. Phone is not the problem. They rumble through about parenting. Bending is a study on eighty s would be this who are battling actually study. Something great thank you so much for that and other One word about dull children. Lovely huge if if you if you have given a chance to speak laura children what three things will improve for them. I mean you know bring bringing up. Children are buffet. Buffing the thing Play with them. And i tried to be asked you. Is there. what what. The three things that you missed. I missed in. Life is late three things. I missed him lakers I should know this kind of curiosity and possibly should about stocks investment much bosnia held earlier. Yeah okay. I've learned learn a little bit late great great. So thank you so much out as she went does before coming onto my your show inspired Place chew up. You look absolutely amazing. I know you worked on your fitness. Next unique to be consistent to be a writer. You're done that and you're not just the you want to spread a message to the entire world. So i am here talking to a lady fashion human being we still elevate but should keep it all off you cement added ford of your business of what would be the message like. Would you like to convey in july the bay of existence every woman docket existence can eckhart live in the now lindell and you'll see the ministerial life unfolded And family is always first great. So i definitely common all the yours Listeners go ahead the date graduate copy of family for zanu gonna expedience so much learnings of twenty. Liz heels of industry expedients teaching the children. Their children bow in ohio. They made her in exempt blew the void that they're not only preaching. They're also walking the duck so thank you so much for listening on point he'll be would also late. The un documentary linkov her daughter. Who junk food for thirty days. She just released the documentary recently. Just to show how junk-food can harm your body so the us can show youngsters must review the youtube link for that shot. So i can. I can get that lincoln. Thank you so much Sabin savvy for coming onto my showing in your of knowledge expedients than insights about life. Banding children and setting standards to the next generation of coming generations Will you know you are not only preaching but you are walking the dog. It is obsolete and vani much honolulu interview with a few and one day. Definitely you saga four hundred Other related until then. I can definitely be with you. I hope you really enjoyed the conversation with us. You commanded saturday. She will kamarck assisted family. I kind do come and let me know in review the podcast enter. Do right an email and subscribe to my mission and let me know. What would you like to ask any questions to the guests in next coming episodes right to me to my email address. Thank you have a good day.

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One World, One People

Fandom Zone Podcast

1:52:52 hr | 6 months ago

One World, One People

"Hello everyone welcome back to the phantom zone podcast on what are your coastal skaggs. Back in the fenders. Oh once again ready to talk the final episode of the falcon and the winter soldier or perhaps we should call it something else now with my wonderful co host wonderful friend and someone who's here in case. I suddenly collapsed for no reason whatsoever. Dj dick how you doing nick. Hey charles and of course hours have you back my friend no worries but i already have the raindrops. Keep falling on my head. Queued up just in case we have technical difficulties folks but some their. It's great to see you doing well and you now oakwood up with the shots. I'm still you know a virgin when it comes to my shot side had any yet. But no. i'm so excited about this episode. Well-water finale really exciting. And i have to say it's going to be quite a down having to wait till june before anymore. Mcu action be. it's a black widow. Loki well you know. We do have some plans in the meantime before we get to lows. We'll talk. We'll talk about that at the end of the episode. But i feel yet because now that we've talked one division that we talked to falconer winter soldier. We're a little spoiled now. I think we're really enjoying these marvel shows and it's going to be kind weird not really have any to talk about for the next month. Yes i kind of feel like company like oliver twist kinda holding them. Eyeball saying please. I want some more exactly. Yeah so there you go for your oliver fans but yeah so yours truly is kind of playing on a little bit of a handicap with a ninety nine point seven degree fever right now so if things get a little weirder than normal for me and that's saying a lot granted just ignore that and just to treat it as as what it is although before we get started. I did want to quickly mention for those. If you don't listen to the next everywhere. The doctor who podcast. I did wanna mention that. Our freedoms own brother is super heroes and whatnot and also our wonderful friend. Jesse jackson is under the weather to say the least he was recently hospital. Thankfully he's hole at the moment but looks like he's going to have to have a surgical procedure and we're going to have to kind of see where things go from the after this procedure. So if everybody if you would do me a favor. And just if you've listen to jesse jackson here on the fan zone podcasts. You know what it means to us you know. He's very special. I've talked about this. That he's the man who gave my wife lori away at our wedding. And i've known him since the nineties backer with the original titan talk the titans apple the amateur press association writing fan club for the dc titans. So i've known him a long time and obviously our thoughts are with him right now and his family. And we want you to pull through this. We want everything turned out. Okay after this nick surgery and hopefully that would be it and jessica back on the road to recovery but nick. I'm sure you join me in this. That our thoughts are with jesse right now very very much so and you know obviously on crossing fingers in obviously hoping for the best jesse's wonderful guy you know he was. I kind of introduced. I was introduced through him. And you to this great thing that you now now during child so he means the world to me on the wonderful wonderful chapman folks out there you know. Please be sure to show jesse some love. And then i'm thinking about him and 'cause obviously he's not in a in a very he's a very tough spot to say the least so i definitely sending my south to menendez and hopefully this is out there. You know just like we do is a fabulous guys that we be sure to to let him know that you think of him as well exactly. You can reach out to jesse on twitter at jesse jackson. Dfw on twitter or you can find him on facebook. That's jesse jackson dallas fort worth. And i'm sure you depreciate it let everybody know that they're thinking about it right now i would definitely treat it as a personal favor if you just kind of. Keep them in your thoughts and send all the positive vibes. Jesse's way right now. Yes indeed amen alright so with that little bit out of the way i just wanna address that for anybody wondering where jesse is right now these days. What's going on with him. Just wanna give everybody an update so back to the falconer soldier episodes six one world one people which is what we're to talk here at episode to fifteen today written by welcome spelman who wrote the first episode new world order and he was joined this time by joseph sawyer directed once again. She directed all previous episodes by cari. Scotland yes so that was nice to have that little bit of continuity throughout all these episodes because they look great in thought. She did a great job at direction in this series. Oh so well paced charles this. It was amazing how quickly this episode possibly by in the sense that just the action packed there was emotion and everything was addressed and tied up so well. I take my hat off to this. Kind of finale. Didn't few clunky. It didn't drag on and you got a little bit of everything so definitely kudos to it just carries for room for sure. And hopefully you'll get more and more projects and bigger projects. 'cause now we've seen what she can do right so hopefully she will get more more work to do when it comes to the mc for sure nice if she got a certain movie yes which will talk about this. I'm so hoping they do give her that. I think that would be a nice little bit of continuity if she she took over the next captain america movie as we learned in going to happen so we told you so if you remember last week so seeing is she ushered in this new captain america. I think we'd be only fat disney to give this woman. Yeah johnston the movie. I think she proved it. I think she proved she can handle it so here. We are the final episode. What else was your general reaction to this. Because i gather you enjoy the finale. I thought you appreciate that wrapped up a lot of loose ends like you said yes. Was there anything else that your actions regarding this episode look. I don't think you could have done any better than this. Because i suppose you possibly could have done in a second post credit scene teasing future movie. That didn't happen. But i'm still satisfied because maybe unlike one division waited. Leave a lot hanging threads hanging out. It didn't really. It was may because some people can see it as a cop out. I think this was less of a cop out. In the sense it concluded the yard. It said here is where we're at. The objective was to be a coming of age. Show if you will or the next era and they accomplished that so there was nothing. I felt unsatisfied about the only thing that was unsatisfied. About was they were anymore episode. I'll happy about it. Chose did you have any nitpicks complaints. When he came to this finale. Though i mean i was trying to read some of the online reactions to this and unfortunately there's a segment in. I kinda knew this was coming given the subject matter in this particular episode. There's a there's a contingent that obviously hated the idea that this was this episode is bogged down in. What they they feel as he'll woke miss. It's the politics of everything in in trying to understand why people for whatever reason think that a hero named captain america wouldn't have any kind of political connection exactly it comes with the territory right right the name america. So you're going to get some politics. And so i don't understand that reaction that you know. There's i think they're kind of review bombing rotten tomatoes right now to bring down score and i kinda wonder if all this just kind of stems back to the fact that a black man. Sam wilson black character is now captain america. I have a feeding that. Maybe some people have reached that level of saturation when it comes to shall we say the message which is being sent out. I don't think made necessarily against this. But they feel feel feel as this is the thing embodied does for months with black lives matter bombarded us with With about black people being killed. I mean obviously. This is not the way i feel but this is my interpretation. Yeah and they like enough is enough. Do i need to have it. In my superhero shows. As well which i think is a ridiculous opinion to have i have a feeding. It's stems from. That's almost frustration of you've given us this cancel culture as this and i have a feeling. That's why people are so angry if you will. Because they feel that a place of safety web politics tabu have entered into that realm. And that's why i think they feel resentful. Because of the mounting commissioned and things having going on recently in the united states well. I would like to argue that. Maybe maybe it's not the problem of the people that are creating these kinds of things. It's maybe it's your problem. Not you're probably but but the people that have have this problem addressing the plural you plural you. Yes so that. Maybe if you're bothered by all this maybe you should really step back and ask yourself why you're so bothered by this because this is is just an attempt to catch up and address some things that should have been addressed long long ago. That's exactly it's so my my feeling is and this is just me speaking. This is just my opinion. But i feel that you know. If if you've got a problem with us. I think the problem is you and you need to kind of step back and look at yourself like will. Why are you so upset. That black people were standing up for their rights or they. They don't want to be killed by the police. Go vague ear right in superheroes which in the marvel comics. Superheroes is reflecting the world outside your window because marvel likes to say. Hey you know. We're the convicts company that addresses these kinds of things where you know. That was one of their big slogans back in back in the day that staley liked to consider marvel the the world outside your window and so when when these tv shows these marvel comics tv shows. I might stress are doing that. I think that you kind of need to appreciate why that's happening. And if you do have a problem with it you need to. I think probably should do some self exploration about why you have that problem. I'm right with you. I do think some so searching required from these individuals who feel this way not to mention if you want. tv shows to be more sophisticated russia's the way you go if you just want to kind of ignorant dumb kind of series of people fighting yeah slice. Vela's slugfest exactly. How do you expect this genre to move forward to be recognized at a higher level if you don't su dress like this also. I didn't think they were particularly preachy. Either i've seen some breaches shows. Believe you me you and i actually to knock on tangent charles for you and i watched penny dreadful city of angels right and you felt that was excessively preachy. A little bit a little bit. I know that there's some criticism of supergirl because that's show can really get up on the soapbox down then blatantly so but here i mean this subject matter that was addressed. Here you know in this episode has been addressed throughout the previous episodes. Exactly it all. This is just a culmination of that. This is where it's brought to. Its climax in the story. And you know. A very transitional. Moment for sam wilson so. I don't really get you knew that going in. Why are you suddenly so upset about it. Now unless you're just upset that again that a black man is captain america. Now i as i mentioned. I just think it's people being bought sore about where everything's been happening. They see this as the the next mayo in the coffin of. Why do we have to keep talking about this. It's like kind of every complain about. Why is the holocaust movie every year. Right well the reason is. Is that we so we don't forget You try to erase that from history. And that's something that's actually addressed the the idea of something being erased from history in this series and you try to race that in know becomes lost so it's important to try to remember it keep remembering it. People's memories tend to be Very short when it comes to certain things exactly the conveniently let those things slide by so narrate. So before i get too much my soapbox. I really enjoyed this finale. I thought you know like. I said it brought together a lot of a combination of a lot of things that a lot of threads that have been addressed during the story line we got the resolution early for right now various characters some characters left in. We'll talk about that when we talk about our topics that they we can see that feature seeds being planted for other projects so this is very much you know in a lot of ways it it wrapped up its own story but it also like a lot of marvel cinematic universe projects sets up something more down the road. Just keep you gotta keep you hooked. Gotta keep your watching find out what happens. So there are some things that are left unresolved. But i think it's done in such a way that we of just closes this one chapter and then when you're ready to open up the next chapter that will be there very well said and at least leaves you wanting more in a good way i would send you. Don't feel there was something. This episode lacked which addresses as they leave you hanging but it's been not because of what didn't give you. It's what they waiting to give you what you're wanting so that that's the best kind of you know barack feeding abrasiveness that you can have rank job it. Obviously we definitely want to get a special shout out to anthony mackie in this because you know his. This is the big episode where the spotlight finally falls upon his character. Sam wilson and he you know he gets the a lot of the speechifying in this episode but but anthony mackie. I think more than handled that and did a great job with that material. I feel that he will be able to carry the next phase of the mcu. I'm going to go as far as saying. He's an ex captain america and i'd feel that he will be able to to carry it on this. What it takes is a situation where the psychic has. Now become the main hero. And i think anthony mackie's up for the job. So so what would it be very fun to see where he goes from here right. At least i think so. All right so trivia just got a couple of things. So if you're wondering. We're seeing. Wilson became captain america in the comics. Because this did happen to the comics for those who don't know he became captain america in captain america volume seven number. Twenty five which. I happen to have right here in my hot little heads for those of you out there podcast lane. Who can't see. And this one. During captain america's battle with the called the iron nail the super soldier serum within steve rogers body was neutralized which caused him to age rapidly. Matches chronological age of over ninety following an attack on new york from arms zola. Another captain america. Bad guy. Steve decided to appoint sam wilson as his successor. And sam served as captain america in the avengers. He was leading the avengers there for a while until the secret empire event where steve rogers youth was restored and he reclaimed the mantle of captain america yup and which he does still have today so so essentially it was a very temporary situation but But sam did make a very notable captain american again for those who can't see out their podcast late. I have a couple of comics right The all new captain. America comics series. That he headlined it. Also captain. America said wilson number. One is abso showed up at spiff cost you which i was very thankfully surprised. The tv series was extremely faithful toward. I was very happy to because i was thinking to myself on paper. It looks amazing. Look cheesy onscreen and it did not and the that so well and hey i guess the folks who have quite the sense of style because they did a great job. Well if you ever saw still surprised that you have a sense of style yes except overtime that one. I'm just saying i think so too. I mean what she did for her brother when the black panther suits than i think she probably had fun with this because it was more colorful wasn't just black and white or black and silver and here. It was like a little bit more colorful fish but we have fun. I get to do something a little bit. More than just monochrome question. How is did she give. Sneakers could be for sneaking just kind of the fact that he's a winged captain radicalize toko. Yeah i kind of love that sharing in now that tony stark has been killed off at least for now the marvel cinematic universe that suri's kind of new now the current tony stark of the marvel. Cinematic universe she's the one that goes to invent them stuff and she's definitely nothing to sneeze. Can i think she can definitely go toe to toe with tony when it comes to technology as we've seen in hopefully we'll get more paying this next phase of the mcu as well yeah. I think we're all curious to see how the second black panther movie plays out very. Well she because in the comics she cherie becomes the black for awhile. While kind of like. Sam wilson becoming kept america for a while so the question is will she stepped into that role or will she just continue to support. Whoever does this they re cost chadwick boseman. Yeah you know. A lot of people want them to do that but then a lot of people don't let them to do that. So that's gonna be very tricky. I think for for marvel studios. What about john walker. Meanwhile he became the us agent in captain america volume one number three fifty four which i'm also holding up in my hot little hands. I recognize that cover. Yeah we're we're interestingly. He says undercover. It says i'm back by which three as yes three as. But if you notice you know when when john walker in this. Tv episode was fist pumping celebrating with his wife. He says i'm back i'm back. I'm back over and over again. So i'm sure that was a nice little easter egg for celtics fans knowing how good they are. They're easter eggs was definitely a cool back to that comic. So in the convicts. After steve rogers was announced as the returning captain america. The governmental agency notice the commission faked. John walker's assassination at the hands of a member of the watchdogs into address his psychosis following the death of his parents. Walker was into believing his parents were still alive and he wouldn't have recover his full memory for many years. He was also given the new cover identity. They have to laugh at this of jack daniels. I did not write this comic by the way i think. Maybe it was applauded. In fact. Ready johnnie walker is a whiskey israel. That's a great point. That's a great point. You had to think about that. But you're right. Johnny walker was he. Yeah exactly so. So johnnie walker had the alias of daniels for awhile and he did some speech therapy to essentially a recent old mannerisms of his to help hide his identity following the faked assassination. The commission soon placed him within the west coast avengers to serve as oversight as a condition of their governmental clearance being reinstated and he. What during his time with a group. He had a lot of friction with various team members. So and Interestingly he was a member at the time when You know the vision was essentially as we saw the events of one division was disassembled and rebuilt. So could this. New vision be recruited by set valentina lafontaine. Nine things. we speculated last week you recall that He's out there somewhere. Just this kind of Very powerful being. That's waiting to be potentially exploited by valentina but contessa so we'll see all right. so did you trivia. i came to me. Charles's you've mentioned last week about the comic. The death of captain america right and he. They might not suit as in. Sharon shoots at the end of this episode. Right because 'cause gras sharon does shoot somebody. It's not captain. America but she does end somebody so i wonder where that might have been a call back to the death of captain america comic where they actually did have sharon kills somebody. It could be. It could be or maybe that's yet to come so we'll see we'll talk about sharing. Obviously the what of the times we gotta we gotta talk about shared okay There's a lot of stuff going on all right so four topics today topic number one. We gotta talk this right off. The bat captain america in the winter soldier. Which i i don't know about you but i loved seeing that that title card at the end of the episode before this gorgeous because the series have been called obviously until the falcon aware soldier. So what better way to end on that. You know to have the title card. Now re captain. America in the word a soldier to reflect that. Sam wilson is now the new captain america. Exact so definitely wants it. So here's where we're gonna talk about. Salmon bucky air. Were also going to talk a lot of their various storylines so dick. What are your thoughts on our new captain. America in his first venture is well. Well first off by this i. I'm so happy that you know. He fully embraced it by the end of the show. As i suppose. It was very predictable. Yeah he did he did pick up the mantle and just seeing him in the costume. It was such a huge moment. I just wanted to stand up and cheer when that happened. Because i'm sure had this been shot in a movie theater folks who probably been cheering at this point when when shows up and and as i mentioned the fact of having the wings as well it's it's nice inc almost of iron man and captain america together because he has the technology but at the same time he's also got shields so they're almost like molding tech and patriotism into one character for the time being because of course they will be on the cactus coming along so we'll have to see who takes the mantle of iron man whether it will be i hearts but they go to that. Don't don't go over skis on this one because we'll get there. We'll get there exactly got to introduce her first right. That's right so let's not go down that road immediately. But i was so happy to see. And he owns this character from the olden the mantle from the get-go as soon as he shows up he's just treating people know that he is captain america. He's taking folks down and the fact that he doesn't have the serum. I think as even more potency of the whole thing because he actually addresses he might die the fact he's not he's not john walker or he's not steve rogers with the super soldier serum but i think that adds that extra own to the whole thing the he he is like the every man if you will so that's why he incorporates american sense it he really represents what is the best of the of america without needing enhancements and. I hope he doesn't get the super soldier serum to be honest. I like him this way. It's almost like batman if you will because batman doesn't have any sort of that he's rich that's about it that's his superpower power right but he has just basically a guy with gadgets. So that's why. I'm hoping they keep it with the with the same as one. I think it will stay that way. And also bucky. I think was just so pleased and happy you could see. Bucky was just like bucky white. Cry at one point because we're just so overjoyed to see that i think probably relieved. Finally you've decided to do this after we've been here six episodes and you finally decide. Decided bit he took on the fight. Was i really enjoyed the various pieces. We got all over the place. They were just. They were great. It was very well choreographed. It was entertaining and yeah it was very very happy with it. The i do wonder where bucky goes from here. Yeah that's my only question because it's kinda left on address. This is going to be a kind of drifta after his talk with you with your e is you're going to join a samagan saying you know. I've got nobody to love me anymore. Will he. There are a lot of question marks when it comes to bucky. I will say this because sam. It's we know where he's going to some extent bulky don't know unless we see them get together saying we need to assemble a team. Now i don't know i don't know it's hard to say but i love this so so much this surgery and it's like i'm gonna find a buddy cop shows at just let you and it was so cool to see these two guys take it on the world's hopefully they'll be like okay. We need to combat. Just you and me so i. I wonder what happens at this point. And what are you. Thoughts on on the eastern. Well you addressed a number of points. I have no idea where to start. Because i just went. I'm starting to think. Oh yeah. I'm going to talk about this that You came up with another point and then another point another point so so i gather you know. I i love your enthusiasm here. You really seem to have enjoyed this episode. i did kind out. it's definitely coming through very you're very upbeat and i really appreciate that I'm right there with you. Honestly there's there's a lot of things. I i'd love sam stepping into the role. He you know he's very commanding but he also what i what i love about. Sam here is that he appreciates the responsibility. He knows it you know were said he he realizes you know he's he's a black man being coming captain america so he realizes he's aware i guess that's the where he's aware that the world is watching him and already scrutinizing right from the start so he realizes that his new role comes with a lot of pressure. Oh yes and he addresses that right off the bat they look. Everybody's got their eyes on me right now and they're already making judgments about me right now but but he knows this going in and so You know he's probably getting you know you realize it's gonna be judge in the way that maybe steve rogers wouldn't because like Sam points out you know. He doesn't have steve's blonde hair and blue eyes. yeah he's not middle america. You kind of boy apple pie in this kind of thing. He's that's that's the thing. Yeah true yeah exactly. so so. He's definitely aware of that. Responsibility in He faces it head on. And that's probably the most curate. Courageous part of him is that he does just he ito he addresses that in. He's not gonna let it stop him in even when it comes to like it. He's obviously a very different captain. America than steve. Because there's there's a great moment after the traditional superhero action that we see where where you know. Say of is you know. He's trying to rescue some people that are in helicopter and it uses red wing to identify which of the of the captaincy captives had actually has any flying skills so amazing so which i thought was very clever idea. You know to to identify that. Just so happens. One of those women actually knows how to fly a helicopter so he relies at her to help him save the situation and So after all the you know that whole thing in the confrontation with carly whatnot. He confronts senators that are attending the. Grc counts yes. And you know that the senators or representatives at least have this attitude that about You referring to the flags smasher as terrorists and the people that have been With aware of looking for displaced as refugees and whatnot in savings right. They're getting up in their faces. Saying hey look you know you need to start thinking about these people. You have all this power and you can do something about this. So essentially calls them out. And i thought that was a very powerful Exchange yep and also the scene where he for glands from the sky with kalyan ezam's that was so beautiful. It kind of reminded me a little bit to go into. The dc will craze a crisis on infinite earths number seven cover either but you're either directly into crisis number seven course which is night cornick comic book cover in general but other than that also made me think call them off the end of arkham city. The video game arkham city where batman comes out holding the joker in his arms right in that exact pose where he batman is almost. Sorry that the joker has died. Because that's what happens. Basically in the video game so just look that for me. Go see charles playing that game anytime soon but out for a long time so i mean you know so you come at me but i mean it's it's been it's on. I thought it was so beautiful. Almost angelic kind of characters ways wings are our genyk. Yeah we should talk about that shot. That shot was amazing. Where he's just he's descending from the sky and he's cradling carly's body in that kind of very like supergirl pose Death after the death of supergirl. Or maybe even batman with jason todd in the death in the family that carries the down. And like you said he was very in djelic and it was a just a gorgeous shot of really loved. I thought it was just amazing and lit so well. Maybe look there were maybe with some religious images almost of the virgin. Mary cradling jesus if you will. Because that's the kind of osa was letting that kind of most hallowed way. Yeah it was so beautiful. That's why recruiting almost like the joy descended within a church. That's right yeah you know. There's the the great lighting and you kind of wonder how that played on television because one of the things that we see is that you this is footage being shown around the world so this is sam's debut it is being televised and so You know you see. That's their their first reactions. And you know even Even isaiah bradley who this at home kind of taken a little more about it. Even even after all the criticism he gave save about how a black man will never be captain america here. It is at long last. Made man captain america. Because that's why. I say my almost have that almost black savior overtones will when it comes to that because of the weight slit and he's anjelica wings but it was beautiful this i say that's why i think Carries called green should definitely move onto other bigger projects because she definitely knows how to get a good shot. Yeah exactly so. Let's see what else say. They are so many things addressed. So what else t. The bucky One of the things. I liked about bucky. Was you talked about his reaction To seeing steve. Seeings me seeing sam. You'd have to get used to that. Right seeing sam as captain america so i like the fact that you know he kinda gave sam crap it first. He's like you know. I wasn't really hit listening your speech. All i heard was a black man. And a captain in the stars and stripes and then they kinda tuned out because you kind of have to hide his emotions. He can't just say you know. I love you is. This is his bromance. We talked about this. They can't just come out and say you awesome. You killed it but you notice. After he did that he had very. It was very subtle but he says great job cap or something and he could pats him on the shoulder so he called so he called in cab and that's major praises from bucky who seems to have the emotional reach of teaspoons get the winter soldier to note. That says a lot for you. I think and very much i think made to bucky. Think about stuff we see later on with addressing the thing with your worry with leaving the little package for his therapist. What did what did you make of that. Because you know. It's something that you expressed concern that you wanted to kinda see that. Come full circle because we hadn't seen Gyory since the first episode. I was so happy about that. Because as i've mentioned in an episode five samad said to made the whole point of view. Revenging you're not atoning for what you're doing and i think that really stuck with bucky and seeing him as captain america. I think it really gave him hope of. I really have to turn my life around. I really have to do these things rather than just think about it. He does them granted. I thought it was a clever choice of carry scotland's to not show us the dialogue between your and bucky. It's very much implied. Because you have that break of moving music details we get to hear him. Tell him that he killed his son. But that's it and then we see bucky leave the leave your apartment to walk away so you either assume that. That friendship is over oil your. He has forgiven him for what he did. Well there was that one shower. They passes the diner and he sees the good and he sees the girl again. And you know they kind of look. At each other at your. Is there if you notice sitting beside her but your he doesn't see lucky looking through the window. But you kind of get that. That looked at sebastian stan. Whereas obviously you you know being so tight buddies tips in y- gives him that the vibe. I got the impression i got. Was that obviously. The friendship is over. How do you come back from that. Killed your son as much as you love the guys kind of hard to say. We're still buddies even though you did my right right. So especially in the fact that he kept it from him. Didn't tell her so. I gotta imagine now. It's not to say that couldn't be repaired over time but obviously right now. I don't think that you're probably wants to see bucky at the moment. That's my anyway. I agree and also and that moment where he leaves a little cage therapists that it was kind of nice as well right because it turned out to be his book little book that of names or whatever that he's been crossing off it apparently all the last of the names have been crossed off. Yes so So he kinda you know closes the book on that therapy but he wanted the therapist to To know that he had come to that end that conclusion and now he's apparently get his own transitional stage in. We'll see where it goes from here. I don't know where he's going to go Guess he's going to be in the fourth of captain america movie. I assume side would certainly hope so. Anyway it seems came in and sama tight and we get that kind of its kind of the same. Yeah exactly ending with them kind of celebrating. I'm glad we kinda didn't get you know. For some reason in my head. I imagined substan- running through the streets like george bailey wishing everybody a merry. Merry christmas moving house. Yeah that's by jimmy stewart. I thought they close up. Definitely i think that was a very good. I could never do that. So yeah i was like okay. Do we get the george bailey. Montage apologies to rachel friend for Name checking it sort of life because we know how she feels about that movie. She loves that. Bill in rachel. If you're listening to hope you are sorry for sorry about that. And i hope that we will get more of isaiah moving forward because him and sam of really radi bone did yeah. We should talk about that movie. So let's set this up so all right. I just want to set this up. Because i i think it's worth addressing so afterwards save decides to go see. Excuse me isaiah again. And this is the third time and Is there interestingly enough. He get some little pushback obviously from alive once again and he has to say like boy. You need to check your attitude or something like that you know you gotta get might your maters and of isaiah. 'cause i i believe i call it. The black falcon is yes. I say it's like well. He's not the falcon anymore but he is sure his black so so Is area you know has come a long way now. He he feels that save is special than he kind of makes a joke. It's like well. You're not martin or you know mandela but who malcolm rock amac. Yeah exactly so he. He's not dr. Martin luther king malcolm x. or nelson mandela. But you know so. He's kind of give him a little bit of hard times to keep his ego. I'm guessing from getting too big. But but he does seem appreciative of sale. It probably more so is after that after a little discussion sam takes them to the smithsonian and it's a very it's one of those tear jerky moments that where you know here. You have isaiah who has been forgotten by history history you know. The the government essentially erased his history. But now let's to isaiah in july surprise. There is a statue of isaiah there at the captain america exhibit at the smithsonian big statue and life size in. You know sam tells makes a point of saying look you know you're not forgotten anymore and isaiah is just overcome by emotion to the point where he actually starts crying and he huck sam beautiful. You know what it kind of you can appreciate this chows and i'm sure the folks say this to next up everywhere. Very much vincent in the doctor moments. Oh yeah that's a great. That's a great comparison absolutely. Yeah so if you ever seen that doctor who episode of the. We're best smith's doctor. The eleventh doctor brings us the actual artist. Vincent gone to the twenty first century and takes them takes him to see exhibit of his works which were so unappreciated. And vincent is just overcome by motion. So yeah that's a. That's a perfect analogy folks for you doctor. Who fans had to throw. Throw the out those non doctor who fans if you have to watch one episode doctor who make winston the doctor. That's probably get you hooked on the race to the show. That's a great one. That's a great way you'll start tearjerking think even my mom is watched that episode. She loved it. So there you go go and see know. It's the doctor who episode you can watch with your mum she'll enjoy it so all right What else about salmon. In bucky we see. We kind of see you know. They're left to They they still have this friendship. We go back to new orleans knowledge and they have like this good old fashioned shrimp boil where saves like reconnecting with a community. It's pictures you know. He's kind of become the local celebrity whole marquee happy moments. We see bucky playing with sam's nephews. He's there he's holding them up his biotic arm and So just they seem to have gotten along here we are. It's the end of the buddy cop movie. These guys are close friends. Though i was kinda hoping to the case much there he might have been able to sneak a case of with sarah. Just like our been kinda fun. Maybe old which is on the cutting room floor is them than having a kiss because it was it was very wholesome. It was beautiful. I suppose we may be have an idea. That bradley is not necessary out of the picture either and might after seeing all the. Hey i might. There might be something in this. Well maybe that's a great point because you know we talked about how he lie because lab becomes patriot a member of the young avengers and we know that the young avengers have been set up or at least yo starting to be set up so i wouldn't be surprised me if maybe maybe maybe the captive fourth captain america movie. Maybe they might introduce patriot. Perhaps who knows if the that spire by sam Kind of like what happened with captain novel when it came to votaw in her name will be at this point you talking about covering a bow. Yeah exactly could be very much like with monica rambo and captain mabul so they could be going down that route. So we'll see there's definitely setting these things up where they could definitely do this if they wanted to indeed it. I'm looking forward to it so so very glad we got. You know they announced that there is gonna be a fourth captain america movie and actually it's supposed to be the screenplay supposed to be written by malcolm spell bid. Who wrote this episode. He's the show rudder of the falcon that we were soldiers. So that's a nice little bit of continuity. I think and now we need carry skoglund directors. Hopefully that's what will happen. That would be nice right because it's like okay. You know. try out for six episodes. See how you do. And if it's well received enough we'll let you do the movie so that's right it. Lets her schedule for whatever. Reason is doesn't make her available but she should definitely be right at the very least anything else about captain america the winter soldier i this point i just won't captain america fool to get here soon. Yes i need this movie yesterday because what happens to save it bucky. I need to do this. I'm going to be keeping an eye on your blog chows because you always have your ear to the ground. It's like oh yes it's announced awesome. I can put it on my calendar. Exactly so give something new to look forward to. I like the fact that they like. We like i you know we were talking about last episode. That they might. That would a great place to do it right as at the end of the talking to wear soldier and sure enough. They did so. It's right gives us something to look forward to all right topic number two. Let's carly morgan. Saw in the flack smashers and sadly as we hypothesized last episode curly. Very unpleasant faith. She did and she. Apparently you know she was going through a head going ahead with plan to hold the jc hostage to stop this. Vote that what it said. Millions of refugees back to their countries is in She's at the point now after various experiences in her proceed views of betrayal that. She's perfectly willing to kill the hostages. She in much to the surprise of her own Neighbors in the flex measures. So what did you make a starting to drag their feet a little bit so they were and then it. Just kinda like oh really. We're we're killing hostages now or we're cool with that. So she was so she's kind like had a snap back in line after they kind of did a little side i about it but But macari carly excuse me is she. Yeah she's going all in here and much to you know everybody's attempts share and tries to talk her down other for her own reasons. It also save tries to talk down once again but ultimately that falls in-depth ears and she ends up being killed by sharing at the end of this episode. So what did you make of this. What do you make of carly Just being so consumed by her own hatred. I guess here we'll As i had the new mentioned in pre episodes she's unraveling and it just the fact that she no longer is in control. It's almost like she's created something which is too big for and she just doesn't know when to stop and that's why i had. She'd ended up making mistakes in it would catch up with her. Which eventually did to the point to where even her most faithful followers of very very reluctant to follow in fact when she reminds them of them motto. They kind of stint stunned silence looking at her. It's like. I don't know if i still believe in this anymore. This is what it means. And she kind of has to almost re look at them in the eye going. Did you hear what i said kind of thing and then everybody kind of always in line. But it's i feel bad for her. Because at this point i think maybe almost. She's out of her depth at this point because the fact that maybe she has bitten off more than she can chew and she's going to extremes which. Maybe i think she has to believe in because like i got to this point i content. Come back because i think the promise. She's created this monster and she can't flip the switch in off. Yeah it's kind of got her. Yeah yeah. I've gotten this far. If i turn round and just say and just forget anything happened. What does that make me. And how does that with the rest of the movement. Think when it comes to that but yes it's it's ideas if consumed her to such a level that now it doesn't matter what happens. As long as she reaches a goal. I think probably humor seems to have lost her humanity. If you will when it comes to that. And i think she does probably blame the inverted commerce powerbroker for this. Yes they do. Have that exchange gronk side. You feel the obvious you. Sharon kills her because she's reliability and that way the secrets that caused spouts out dies with her. Because obviously by and we'll talk about this later but the fact that nobody knows about this revelation that sharon might be 'cause it's still not definite that she is the powerbroker even though betra- coups that's in cali says that but we never. Here's sharon say. I am the power so until they say they have owned the time. But so you're leaving a little bit of wiggle room. I i you know the theorized that she was the powerbroker from a couple of episodes but this still something that people did. We'll talk about the powerbroker. Carly i agree she does. She does seem consumed and she seems to be now like you said all about the cause so much so that she's willing to do anything to achieve her goal even killing the hostages even sacrificing herself. And she's like if we die our our movements live on the other. Yeah it was really planning on dying today. Exactly like sure. I signed on to that a little bit so there is little hesitancy there and what the things i found interesting in this episode of Showed this again is that carly is a very intelligent woman. She she basically had this whole thing planned out. You know the point. There's a great moment where she's keeping bucky on the phone to distract him you know. And and she's misdirecting and you know she's she's got her she. She knows how to execute this plan. So she's highly intelligent is probably why being so young that somehow she became like the forefront of this group. She's wise beyond. Hey years very much so if you will also say more intelligent than be beyond high years but the problem is that i think she likes the maturity the height that that's what was supposed to be is the age she jesus excellent tactician but because she's so young she's not able to bring the two things together right the perfect general. If you will yeah. She can't be dispassionate about it. She has. She's very all about her emotions and her motions of run away with her. So so they kind of override that common sense or that that great intelligence that she has But yeah it's very interesting when she she's confronted by sharon sharon. Is you know. Sharon tries to recruit her back but the carley you know she She refuses you know she cherry takes her out it all she could say is. I'm sorry at the end. Yeah as i said. Obviously she was to take out because of the fact that if kagyu blabs the falcon oughta to bucky. They might change their opinion on this woman. Pardon well if you think about it you know charitable had to do it right there because save is there so you had to look like i was known it was very convenient when carly is drawing a gun on sam yes. It's very convenient for sharing. This is the right moment so it doesn't look like i'm hiding something. Exactly 'cause i'm defending rennes of trying to save san. So yes i can. This gives me the perfect opportunity to kill her and take her up to board without any suspicion being thrown on me. Yeah yep so so. that's it it. In the flex measures meanwhile dig it rounded up and they put into some sort of police fed shipped off. Presumably go to the raft. But on the way things take a rather explosive. Turn don't think i see what you did. You actually boom goes the dynamite. Exactly you break out the The peo- d. air the I forget what the plan is does boom. I can't remember their name was dry. I knew drowning pool or whether it was. I don't know. I think it's peo- d. Did you know boom here comes to. Yes that's all. It was one of those bands. The came out during that period of maud or drowning pool below those condos but but essentially so we find out that barents he butler alfred. If you will right blew up the van because rivers ego hates super soldiers in the flex measures have been juiced up to become super soldiers. That's right so he follow through and took them off the board and So what did you make of that moment. Where we find out that zemo had had taken them off the board. You have to love that. Smile of satisfaction on baron. Zemo face to the news about these flag smashes being killed in this explosion. And he's kind of lying back on his cot almost going right exactly. He's he's full supervision. One of the great comparisons. I saw online was. He's essentially now become the moriarty of the marvel universe. The the mortar. James borey already to the sherlock holmes so essentially he's that he's the james moriarty of the marvel cinematic universe he's the orchestrating things He's a very intelligent person and He's a very powerful threat even behind bars true so and i have to confirm. We have to get right. You know they have to do very much. Oh i definitely want more for two two things because first of all. I wanted to confirm charles. I did sneakily. Look it up and you were correct. The song boom is by right so so so points to and secondly i was actually thinking because as you mentioned we had seen their off before and quite a few characters that we do know who are at the imprisoned in at the raft case. In point there's a certain sister of jessica jones's who is being held the app resins. That's right. She was taken to the raft and so i wonder whether it might be nice way to bring into play if they ever revive it. These characters of bring her into play with her mother. The possibly new note was it was her sister cats. Oh yeah patsy walker. That's exactly yup. Yeah okay. I was right. Yeah yeah yeah patsy walker. So trish walker. She was noted that she was stance right off. That's right interesting. But that wasn't netflix series. So they they may ignore that continuity. I'm seriously hoping they do. They're bringing in. Because there were rumors. About charlie cox coming into play dead devil again and possibly vincent awfully coming back as the kingpin. So i'm hoping they might. Because hey how cool would it be to have. Zemo have words with trish walker saying hey do you need. I can help you out writing. Yeah ballantyne showing up at the raft. Well it's very interesting because you know. We'll talk about valentina but she see to. She did seem to could take a little pleasure. In the fact that zemo kill does flag smashers where he definitely did her a favour without realizing it. Yeah and then she was very nebulous about whether she was behind it. All of course i mean. She's she's very good that she's very good. Say was woman yeah she she's like making bigger than she actually is. Maybe taking responsibility thinks she didn't do. Maybe i did. Maybe i didn't. Maybe i did didn't i would never do so all right daniel brew and i hope he would change the station and start dancing in his cell right. Do the shuffle. yes exactly. it's like gee what else is on. Change the turn the knob and see if there's some music some i have some daft punk or something i i could see him. Don daft punk. Yeah i could see that too all right. Anything else about carly the flex measures. I was just very sad that she killed off. I mean we did expect it but it was a shame because she was a very promising character and and obviously yelm. Sam did not want her to die. He wanted to he when she would. Actually the drew a gun on him. He was doing his best to talk down. It seemed like will miss the point. She she was going to shoot him. It's sharon not intervened. I feel but it was a shame and it does sadden me that we won't see this character again. We might in some capacity but as far as You know we can send now. She's gone and the flag smashes with her if she had a mark complex or not but she just was way to consume by her 'cause ultimately to her own destruction that leads all right number three. Then let's move on in a kind of a related note. So let's talk about the power broker or is the powerbroker sharon carter who make some moves in this episode. She goes especially the certain post credit scene. We need to talk about. It was also talk about batroc because metric zil leaper. Gsp as montreal. Exactly well gsp. Can it be goes away. If it's episode ego as poor batroc beats his end as well in this episode saddened at the heads of sharon carter so cherry gets to kills this episode. She's kind of getting a little bit. Trigger-happy rope it. A little bit So what are your thoughts about the big revelation or in our case confirmation that sharon is as far as we know for now anyway d powerbroker until hopefully something Leads us to understand more of why she became the powerbroker. Yup because as i mentioned she never opened he says as i said the three woods i am the power forwards the power but truck says almost immature himself. Points out saying i will cool you. The power broker was five words. But okay yeah right. Apparently all right exactly. You're the math guy in this but anyways he because he's the one who actually says to You know i will call you. The power broke even though she never says granted. She says every day she says. Everything makes me imply. that's colleens. She's like i took you under my wing and more than happy to take you back. And and what have you and create a nice cozy life for myself. I believe collie points at strays. And in fact she i mean. That's a sweet pads definitely fixated on that that point that she has this very elaborate apartment home whatever. Obviously that money had to come from somewhere as it turned out presumably being powerbroker. That's how she got that place and the whole and i loved the the post credits scene. It was fantastic because it's like literally. A snake has been unleashed into the garden of eden of america. At this point yeah. Let's talk about talk about that. So this just to set this up. So sharon was essentially put before the same council that john walker was. They apologized to her saying. Oh sorry we you 'cause you all this grief is for you and your family. How about we give you a full pardon in your job back with the cia because again. There's no shield now right exactly this deal. And then on the as she leaves to go outside like right outside the front doors of this place. Everybody can hear you call. It like couldn't wait like five seconds to you know somewhere else. Get job hopping attacks here. Something she calls up. Whatever associates in says essentially well. Hey we've got access to all the government secrets. Weapon prototypes down so start making some deals. Everybody apparently that's what she's using that for. So i guess our question now is is sharing a return as a power broker. Captain america forty think she could very much be the main antagonists which would be a very interesting twist all as we might be reviewed that she's working in tandem with somebody else i postulated doctor faustus. Who might controlled her. To kill steve rogers. In the death of captain. America storyline but But for right now i. I can't help but feel disappointed because sharon was such a likable character. Through in the in the catamarca movies in now. She's says she does what is known in wrestling terms as he'll turn she's joined the bad guys he's become a bad guy. Apparently you know her time. During the blip you know. She felt that she had to survive. And that's what she became. So the question is yeah. You know. I feel bad that you know that. This character is such now become a dylan. Yes she's not as no boys earth six one six counterparts right now in the comics. But hey so hopefully l. hope that she's actually controlled and she's not really this way. That's why i think they purposely leave it nebulous as to which she has. That's why i think they may be. They chose not own that title. Because there's probably more to the story. I could be wrong a feeling as a reason why she didn't open these say like i am the say those that were those words. She's working with other people. So i wouldn't throw the out the window complete because maybe she is a front for somebody else. There still could be that. And hey i didn't own song and dance number so i do to make the point that you may be is not the big the big villain as immobile you have and dance number if you are the main business especially now after parents zebo right exactly because you got him dancing. You got agatha hawkeness singing. It'll song capacity together so you didn't have it. Was sharon all along. Yeah exactly but i have to band camp. She plays villain very well if that's what she's going to do. Because from the very sort of smiley almost very heroic you do see that doc this in her expressions in the way she does it she knows how to sell it yeah. It's a sign of good actress that she's to switch to go between the two of ohio savvy. Though i'm so happy to be back in america. God bless america. And i will destroy this country. She does it really well so she was. She used before. She got to the captain america movies. She wasn't this. Abc series cover. Vange i believe it was called okay. She shared it in that. Well no but. I think you know she was She was in the lead. So i'm guessing that she had to have that kind of range and she gives to us that here so if you know what. She does for lack of a better term. She does a little bit of mustache twirling a little bit at the end of that most credit scene but Yeah she's she's more than she's more than just a pretty face with expensive paintings in her apartment. You know and it's going to be interesting to see where they take this character because i'm guessing obviously we haven't seen the last of her eight makes it all the more fascinating i think for that reason made her a billion. Yeah so we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. I what did you make of the scene where she kills patriach. I was kinda sad about that to be honest. Because i said i will miss you joe simplistic thank you for your service to you. And he was i. The guy only wanted a little bit more money you know. We will guide to take more times by previous rate. Yes i would actually be interesting to see what that was sure. It wasn't small potatoes ready and like there's no way i'm gonna pay you that money like that wasn't exactly the best contract negotiations are. Let's say the skills of negotiation and of the best friend. She kinda like please kick some more people and you know. Now give you okay. That's right but but an interesting thing about truck. I thought it was a good choice on the on the directors as well as he was the one who foots captain america and they didn't have signed fight any super soldiers which was very clever though. This is the threat that he could tackle because you put them in front of a super soldier and he might have a few problems but he doesn't shoot. Let's let's be fair does lose so essentially. He's not like john walker. You know he does have his wing said he's used to fighting like that. Yeah but But it but now he also has the shield and it is a little bit more practice as a fighter true so he held his with patrol pretty well and it was it. Because we've seen truck fight. Steve rogers this right. So essentially. what captain. America's bad guys now fighting the new captain america and hey kudos to patrol who can hold his own against superpower being like captain america. Because that's steve kind of had the advantage having the superman. I'm not gonna get into that whole discussion of who's stronger than who. But it shows you. What a great fights have a truck as if he's able to go toe to toe with the super soldier. Yeah obviously you know steve. Rogers is a much more formidable threat. With super soldier serum coursing through his veins. But that's that's my point. Yeah yeah but but but it did. Like i said i appreciate the continuity because it also it helped i think submit sam in the new role because yes because you gave him a classic captain america kids. You gave him a classic captain. America village exactly to fight. It was a good sequence. Very good action sequence. That elected a lot All right Anything else about the powerbroker up a truck. I'm just really looking forward to what happens with captain america. Four and ammunition camp will bring to that. It's sad that she no longer is the go next door that we've seen in winter soldier but those are the breaks. I suppose just hoping for a doctor faustus. Please leave me. Micro told yeah. He shared it like this. She deserved better habit right. Topic before topic today. Contessa valentina allegra. If tain in the us agent as we kind of teasing all along john walker becomes officially the us agent with this episode even gets his own spooky agent costume which is essentially the same captain. America costume only black instead of blue to emphasize its duck. Right like dark avenger. Perhaps we'll see i know. Some people are speculating. He might ended up thirty ables. They could go that route as well. I'd be happy with you. But i can't imagine though baron zemo working with john walker right because he's a super soldier either so we'll see what happens. We we could be dealing with two groups guys. Thunderbolts darker avengers here. That would be major. Yeah because like. I said you know zibo i think presumably you know he still wants to kill john walker because he wants to get rid of those super soldiers y- so you might still get the citizen v thing which would be great. I hope we do but damn up better because that's cool. I like hebron's that much of a surprise. Now if you do the comex but but it's still cold back in the day. So so let's talk a vow in the us agent so vow We catch up with her a little bit. Where she. She talks about the use of the bobbing with walker while waiting for him. Who's getting his new jammies on and She you know he comes out wearing. The uniform can a surprise as black instead of red white blue and she tells him things are about to get weird. It's the question is what did she mean by that. You know what he said. She says they will need a new. They won't need a captain america. They'll need a us agent so she names him. So so what did you make of of that secrets where we're is Teasing she's especially now brought walker into working for her and well setting up possibly some other things down the road. I was actually thinking about it as you were. You were saying the things about to get weird phrase. It made me think about things to do. And i wonder whether this might play into secret invasion as in vow possibly escrow and if she possibly recruiting people for this with scores. That may she says why things might be weird as she might move into. A scrolling actually happened in the comics. I mean that was a scroll as valid as we talked about last episode. Yeah we talked about that. So yeah so wh- we'll see where the with what she means by that. It's very interesting that she might be tied in with. Secret invasion the nuclear series. That's coming but But you know obviously were hoping hoping for possibly the dark avengers. I'm hoping they go. The natural routes all doc avengers so we get the captain america the all is a black widow. We get a couple of others. Maybe the white vision and a couple of that would be great. Let's knowing disney being surprises. It could be. We're going to put secret. Invasion doc avengers together and these group of people not knowing that actually being controlled by the scrolls and scrolls a kind of having them do things full then right so it could be could i mean. I'm just spitballing here. But i'm just thinking if he wants to saying rarely mad really crazy do these are the scrolls and recruiting the opposite numbers all the avengers in order to have their own group to do their bidding without knowing that they're doing so that's i'm just going to throw that process side. Yes exactly how. You've grown cross eyed. That's but yeah so you're with his going. Okay this over. He has history. I if vowel wins california and texas. Yes she can become president. But it's the steve kornacki of the fate of zone here. So there's a my tooth is i. Hope i'm hoping for doc avengers but it could be totally matt madness and be. The scroll was bringing doc. Avenged will bring other vendors which we need it would be We'll see where the kgo or maybe secret avengers secretive invasion gotta keep on the straight right secret evasion sets up also darker ventures like. It's a. it's a building block perhaps could very well be we'll see What are things but you know but for earlier in the episode. I wanna talk about this at john walker. When he he shows up to confront carly he's looking for basically looking for payback against the woman who killed his partner. Lamar bounce star so carly apologizes for killing his partner. But you know essentially her attitude is like you know. His life didn't matter so essentially walker fires back year. He tried to tell me that black lives. Don't matter to quote joke a very poor choice of words. Yes yes because that's essentially what that was the walker had the black lives better position here. Yes and just the way carly said it was like are you saying. His life doesn't matter. That's what i was like. I could see joko with rachel doors saying let her go very poor choice of words very poor choice of words for dark. I what you do there. But what did you think of is kind of redemption moment. Where you sam struggling to to get this van that's kind of teetering over the edge and walker has to make this choice like i could either go after carly or i can say these people and so you like me. Were you surprised that he actually chose to save those people. I was surprised. And i was almost expecting a voice in his head to remember who you who foster from lyon pray but it shows that he still has some for some humanity left in him and it was kind of nice to actually see almost maybe he sees over the enemy. The enemy is my friend to where they have this common me who are the flag smashes and he was almost teaming up with the bucky and sam. One branch was really cool. I was like i was actually. Oh happy day. You know everybody getting along. Only we could exactly smile on your brother. Everybody so yeah everybody was up by jaba of it a little bit. That's right between well. I was surprised but it was a redemption moment as you said for for for john that he posed does his best to pull back the truck and it shows. He's said he's still has got some humanity. It's not all bad right the choices he makes here on outs. We'll definitely define him as whether he is good. Obad's yeah but in that moment. I was like you go john. Like i'm going by a buffalo johnnie walker. Right now in your. Do you think it was. It was great i was. I was very happy about that. He kind of just listened to. Sam gave his speech was like yeah. I dig it. You know he was out with. That was great. He didn't exactly give him his endorsement but he wasn't opposed to it But yeah i was. I was very surprised pleasantly surprised because you know the way that we had seen walker up till now especially when these only decapitating a flag smasher with his shield. The captain america healed. You figure okay. This guy's gone completely over the edge but like you stayed so eloquently he's not beyond redemption. He's you know there's something still in there. That humanity is still in there where he goes from now is going to be a good question. But i'm sure he's going to be played as a very shades of gray like character. Who got you must tool in character. Who could do some very moral things but also some variable moral things as well. Very tally stick like. That's a little bit. And and i have to resource few bad for the folks in the truck. They can have major whiplash by the time. The thing is over because guy being pulled back right back and there's no seatbelts things so yeah major backlash ver ver whiplash for those for those folks but at least they're alive exactly which all except for john walker so yeah but it was a nice little redemption. So i did. What acknowledge that you going into search house all right anything else about this episode of. Don't we talked a lot about it. But there's a lot to talk about as we said well to the to use the title of film and the musical it was absolutely fabulous because it was really really good and i was so happy with its and then the fact that say that the once again the pointing out the shades of gray characters. I hope that Eventually john will walk the straight and narrow depending on what vowel has him. Do but i hope that maybe at some point he might play a bigger part in the mcu. Because captain america annuals agent can coexist. We've seen this in the comets. They can co-exist exactly going to be very surprised if we don't see the us agent in the new captain. America movie now and hopefully might be part of these news new avengers. If you will on the dock avengers side and then becoming an avenger himself. It's the thing that has me raise for scratching my head just sort of but excitedly so is who are these new avengers going to be. It almost makes me think of those days back in the comics when they'd shuffle the team like every two issues these guys and he was like who's gonna be. Who's going to be on the team. Now it's almost like you know your sports teams. They acquired today you know. What does the team looks like now. So that's very exciting thing for myself. I m sure fans out there are thinking themselves. What's on new team. Revenge is going to move like took a question. presuming saves. Could it be there. So we'll see. You have the old guard with sam bucky but it's interesting who the new additions will be yeah. I'm sure that we'll get more of that. As these more of these barbara cinematic universe shows here a disney. Plus indeed right. So we'll stay. We'll see stay tuned. Everybody okay favorite quotes. You have any favorite quotes. I did have a couple. I mean i hope i'm not stealing any from utah's books i know there with some. That's i'm sure you enjoyed to sure. Move i of the exchange between sharon cali. Sharon is when she says to you. When you came to your minded me of a young me. I took you in gave you an opportunity and you betrayed me and caused like because you wanted to control her. You wanted to change it. I'm not interested in power an empire. I have big dreams. So what are those dreams And then i you know the whole speech. That sam gives his beautiful. I had to cut apiece out because it's like if not we'd be here all day. I've got i've got. I've got two chunks wealth but go ahead i hopefully not taking yours but the one i had was every time i pick this thing up. I know that millions of people out there who are going to hate me for it even now here. I feel it the says the judgment. And there's nothing i can use changes yet. I'm still here. no superheroes. no super sierra nob- long haired blue is the only power i have is. I believe we can do better. That's good. I love that quote. You make that come that he was a black man carrying the stars and of course you know. What does he understand exactly. Yeah the love that all right. Any other quotes nam. Good okay. let's see well follow up on yours. Where sam also continues. He says. I mean this girl trying to tried to stop you in. No one has stopped for one second to ask. Why you gotta do better senator. You've gotta step up because if you don't the next carly will and you don't wanna see two point. Oh people believe cost so much that they helped her divide the strongest governments in the world. What do you think that is look you. People have just as much power as an insane. God misguided teenager the question. You have to ask yourself. This is how are you going to use it very beautiful. Yeah so Yeah we'll speechifying some solid speechifying. I also enjoy valentine's quote here. Where she says looks like our friends. Yvo had the last laugh. Right now could have worked better if i played it myself. Oh well maybe i did. No i'm kidding. I didn't or did i. Anyway it's gonna save a lot of people a lot of paperwork a lot of redacting in a lot of shredding. That was great with isaiah in. Sam where is as says the fight you taking on ain't gonna be easy. Sam saved replies. I might fail shit. I might die but we built this country. Let for it. I'm not gonna let anybody tell me. I can't fight for that that after what everybody before me went through including you isaiah replies shit. I almost bought that got to keep giving him a hard time. So of course. So what's your rating for this episode. Ooh okay. i'm actually going to do this. I'm gonna give this a ten out of ten ruler captain. America's nice nice. I think this episode was perfect. But i really enjoyed it so i'm giving it nine out of ten statues of isaiah bradley beautiful. I like that there was such a great moment. I love that moment right failures zone news The only thing. I have this time is i thought he'd mentioned especially since your here. Nick that doom patrol which we talk about on titan talk which i have mentioned tightened talk to titans. Podcast has now reached one thousand likes on facebook. Thank you so much listeners in your episode sued lately but you so much folks. that's amazing. It's crazy we've been off the air. I think for close to a year and We're still getting always likes of really should have We'll be back soon but do patrol for season. Three has cast the sisterhood of da da. That's not the brotherhood of data. The sisterhood of dada. I know you were really looking forward to that child. So yes we're looking forward to the also cast the dead boy detectives. If you read sand bed neil gaiman sandman. You probably taking out. So when i saw that because i knew from san monogamously. Interestingly one of the kids playing what are the dead boy. Detectives is david sud titan. So that's why so familiar. Like he looks like a young david. Tennant's he's the guy. Yeah go figure right. So he's a solid with georgia georgia to his wife so That's interesting right so but So we're getting to the brotherhood of dada only now called the sisterhood of data. So we're gonna get characters like the fog. Frenzy sleepwalk the quiz and no mr nobody because apparently The actor voice played the character on do patrol whose name is escaping. Me at the moment is a busy. Doing resident alien the sci-fi tv series. So somebody else's gonna presumably have to head up the sisterhood of dada. Maybe they may get you know. Because we know that michelle gomez allen to to thank you so we know that michelle gomez is going to be playing madame rouge so maybe madame rouge. We'll eat this group perhaps michelle and michelle gomez is just as good as allen to. Yes yes you. Have you ever watched her as a doctor who you know exactly what i'm talking about or sabrina young children eventually yep so lilith she's fantastic. No be really good season. We're gonna have a lot of talk this way. Think i can't wait to head back to men with you for sure. I'm ready just like okay. We got to figure out how to talk to the episode. Because i'm i'm getting this. I want to talk about it right so i just started letting everybody know about that in. Hopefully we're supposed to get doom patrol back sometime later. This year who source so looks like twenty twenty. One is going to have a lot of surprises. Yes yes right so we do have some fans zone fanmail. This time nikki. Whatever go ahead and read hollywood. I'll take days if you want sydney so we have Holly was always being so dedicated writing in every single episode. And i wanna just start a president. Yeah thank you holly for just sticking out with us just being with us all the time so holly opens up. Hey chosen nick. Hey holly hey holly man with a ride. I don't even know where to begin with this kind of like mia find out what was in the suitcase to sam. At the end of last week's episode. His own captain. Inverted commas falcon america suit. Love the little mini red wings helped him out in some of the fight rescue scenes show also looks like they might have been a bit of stock tech as well with some of the repulsa flares that i was seeing coming from the back of the suits then again who knows could be over. Overconfident is one hundred percent. Sure it is. Yeah yeah and unless there was some backroom dealings and the condon's and stock cope hope teamed up. maybe. I'd like to see like a little thing behind. One hundred percent may didn't were made in wauconda. Sure he's gonna use tony stark's designs come on. She's the desired suck. I'm making this all my own. Come on golden is up. exactly. Thank you perfect. We also get the review that sharon was the power broker and pull cali could kind of see coming. Time was running out. Love the speech that sam gave up the fight wrapped up in the is aso. It's beautiful for show walker is now the us agent. Thanks to vow sam. Taking isaiah to the museum cap suit was in ensuring him the tribute. That was made for him so everyone knows what he went through and did and that he wouldn't be forgotten a nice touch the deed. Yes the celebration. Seen with sam his sister or their neighborhood was perfect. Bucky holding those kids hang of his metal arm like they were nothing had grinning and i think he was even enjoying it. I think he was. Oh yeah but bucky finally crossing the last name of his list and making peace with its and moving on with whatever the future holds the mid credit scene. Was sharon getting her. Pardon in her old job back was very interesting to say the that phone call that she made the end really makes me wonder who she called an actually. How long has she been the power broker right. So it's baby in called the person that mike controlled her. Yeah exactly not letting this go now. I'm i'm still holding out. Hope coochie have been it. All the way back in her agent six days from the captain america winter soldier days thanksgiving's agent thirteen. But that's okay guess. Guess we'll find out soon enough really hoping that down. The road will another season of falcon the winter soldier or movie and yesterday. We got the announcement of the movie. I'll wrap i wrap it up here. Holly for roma wisconsin. Thank you holly. Thank you so much a very good you know. Maybe we'll get both when it'd be awesome. If we got both the captain. America movie and another season of sorts. Once again the the interwebs have been speculating that the has been talk about a second season of falcon and winter soldier. And let's be honest in this case. Captain america winter soldier. Let's be honest. i'd be very happy. And i love the theme so i actually have added the theme song to my one of my playlist on spotify because that guitar. It's so cool. Believed the is henry jackman. Of course no stranger scoring superhero. Tv shows and movies scores out of the america the winter soldier. I believe exact. That's right he did. I love that theme. So hey i wouldn't mind it playing again to hear it play again in another season nose or you know maybe for lack of a better Maybe sam gets captain. America four the movie and to give him that steam and then bucky gets The winter soldier he gets his own. tv show. I would be totally down with a better together now. don't we we to mistry between between mckeon stanza good. Yeah they got this nice little bromance going to break them up but oh hell no but at least we get you know more of we're soldier perhaps okay And then dave proctor. Rights is dave's also been very good about writing in so so cheers to dave. Dave says. Hello fellas hello. Dave hope all well there. This was a good episode in the good series. There's a new most deserving captain america. he meant. We wrapped up the series nicely. It opened up the situation that will be the next issue the powerbroker. We'll see what happens. I want to thank you guys for your diligent. Work and digging up a nuance to the series. I think found a permanent home in the phantoms. Oh yes excelsior. Stanley is looking down on from kevin with With pride as dave gives a little excelsior. Shout out. So dave thank you so much thank you. Thanks for writing it. Yeah hopefully we get you hooked now we you know we hear one podcast we bring you over to another podcast and we pull you right now. I'm glad to know that he that he is wants to become a permanent resident of the phantom's that's just like hotel. California you check out but you can never leave very well said yes. Thank you so much for the occasion. Dave means a lot to. I'm sure but myself entered charles. Yeah we really appreciate it. Holly david been very loyal throughout like like nick said throughout the entire series. And hopefully they'll be here when we talk some other things who yup yup so if won't be like holiday even please go ahead chose we have one more year. Yes yes we do. don't we. go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to skip that. No no worries rate actually went through the back door in this case because he sent us a message at the phantom zone facebook page which we definitely appreciate because i caught it so and then of course ray. If you want to post writing charles will tell you how so. You don't have to go through the back door. Don't have to come through the window but through the front door sticking through the back window exactly. So so what's your read race. Covet so ray starts with high. You're my thoughts on the season finale. What's a big one is indeed. This was such a great finale. It literally felt like ten minutes. It went so fast having said that also managed to deathly cover everything to close out any loose ends. We zemo isaiah. Brad as rodney pregnant the. Us agent yes amongst the lights of the flag smashes and the powerbroker and breakfast sharon new ever break and in our new cap looks magnificent. And i'm glad we'll be getting a movie. Mackey has a huge responsibility now within the mcu. I know he will do well. Right there with your right up just two other points keen to know your thoughts. Did the active heroism by john walker in brackets with the armored van. Had that changed your cuban about him. I think we've pretty much said they did. It did at least somewhat redeem himself. Obviously you know. It was concerning that. He decapitated that flag smasher. There's nothing to say. He won't do that again. i think he's right now. He's he's a potential bomb but for right now. He's behaving himself yet where he goes. I'm right there with you charles. In fact right continues saying only two episodes ago he did something totally horri- but how do you view him now and you rightly say kind of a ticking time bomb at this point because you can either go both ways either. Do great things. We'll do even worse things depending on. What's i suppose vow indu and that's going to be a very interesting character. Watch going forward for that reason. Yeah exactly that way. Russell is going to be continuing. I'm so happy to because he's definitely definitely did a great job on this and ray continues. I'm about conflicted as his actions. Abrash in the comics you certainly come to side with him in the face of evil similarly with kali though sam had a great speech very effective a one of the best written for the show. Did you gain sympathy for carly after death. I sent me did little bit little bit. Was sam you know. I think he he phrased so eloquently that he didn't have a problem with her goals. It was her methods. That was the problem the way she was out. He literally in fact she was misguided which is exactly the point and ray continuing is still viewed her evil in the way she didn't consider human life and in brackets. He says she indirectly even says battle stars. Life was pointless very influence. She was a little bit of a sociopath that regard so though i very much sided with sam when he told off the senators i couldn't find the same empathy sam had for carly i think arro- was written quite opened down in that sense. I think we're meant to feel disgust. Then have empathy for her but it was quite a difficult thing to balance. I guess that's the point though. Everything isn't necessarily black and white. Don't think that's that's the conclusion of the message. I haven't missed any now. I just want to make sure i have anything. They're going to cut you off ray. So no exact exactly. I'm just going to check you. Troll here are the hibbs exactly. That's right now we don't we. Don't edit anything whatsoever just checking out here we go okay. Kazaa empathy. No that's it yeah. He everything isn't necessarily black and white so okay so i just went to double check. Okay yeah well. Thank you ray for riding in very much. Yeah next time you can. It's you're okay to come through the front window front door instead of the back window. Like i said exactly we. You woke of your concern. We we definitely appreciate you listening. And watching the fan of the falcon of the worst soldier with us because this has been a ball you know and i really enjoyed it. I've really enjoyed talking with nick. And so if you wanna be like holly david ray write to us at fatal cast g. dot com that's phantasm cast at the g. Mail dot com where you find us on twitter at cast on twitter facebook of course the phantom zone podcast where we know. He knows where that is and you can find his instagram at fan of zone. Podcast network of the here you and hear more of what the lovely things that you do with a lot of my co hosts and just all around Just wonderful exe- you talk about. Well i if. I want to send a shot to ray who actually is hosts his own moonlight podcast into the knights coach chai. Yeah which i definitely want to once you will eight folks to check out because he does such a great job of it and i know chelsea refined moonlight so fifty great thing definitely gonna talk on this podcast with that. Tv exactly so ray. You've been warned. You got to competition but brother. Because you're talking some moon knight. Maybe we'll have you on. That'd be awesome. I'm sure they would live there if you will exactly yes indeed. I'm no when it comes to me. I do host whisky and cigarettes. Show played today's country traditional country and everything else in between for more info visit our website. Whisky and cigarettes showed come. Podcast wise i do host happiness and douglas. Superhero movie podcast. We discussed all superhero movies under the sun. If you'd like to join us on there and discuss your favorite superhero movie. You can hit me up by email happens in darkness. How did she come on. Facebook twitter instagram and last but certainly not least gold standard the oscars podcast where myself in the lobby. Ladies to answer names of rachel friends and sprouse going through the best picture movies from the nine hundred thousand seven wings to the present day that i could join us on their and discuss your favorite best picture winner. You can hit us up. Gold standard oscars at djamil dot com on facebook and twitter machine and also lost the i once in big charlotte to the five ish pangalos podcast which rachel and hall your parts of which very much love and adore. That said what about you. Well nicholas as for me of course You find skaggs on twitter at charles skaggs on instagram facebook. Of course chow skaggs in here. You go hi high or a lago. Geeky things game coffee and hot where i talk about stuff. We're talking about here on the fate of zone podcast so all kinds of book news site news news. My podcast idea for southgate media group including well. Hey next up the doctor who podcast where knicks on holidays been on and right now to holly ni- believe it or not just recently talked the torchwood episode something borrowed and as we're wrapping up torchwood month on next top everywhere. Then we're going to be discussing next week. The new world the very first episode of torchwood miracle day torchwood series. Four in joining me for that one is going to be christine paryski so we tried to get holly back for that. What as well but sadly schedule her schedule didn't work out so christina die but that's okay. We have a lot of fun and really looking forward to that. What can i talked to christine for a while. So hope everybody checks that out and you'll be nice to have christine's voice again. You had a message form last week on the pan themselves actually here her beautiful voice. No ch talking to torchwood with you. I'm looking forward to that with it. After that a certain day proctor is going to be joining us once again yeay fantastic. It's been a while since we've had dave on this show but he we're gonna be talking a classic jon. Pertwee story carnival monsters. Oh that's a great one. That's fun so stay tuned for that. If you want to hear more of the delightful dave proctor. Can you actually get to hear his voice exactly. Yeah he speaks. You live so check us out on next up everywhere and then let's see what else goes with the twin peaks. Podcast was an sprouse where we talk. All things twin peaks david lidge. We weren't able to record ghost with this past week sadly because then was having some health problems once again so obviously keeping her my thoughts but hopefully we'll be back soon to maybe a couple of weeks to discuss the very first episode of hotel room the very obscure native ninety. Three david lynch. Hbo series that he did. It was like three episodes long. We're discussed the very first episode tricks which featured let's see what Freddie jones who had appeared in a couple of lynch projects in crap tried to recover the day. Come to me. They harry dean stanton there. You go so here stands that one as well so it's gonna be very interesting to talk about that episode but lynch directed that episode and it's very much a david lynch project so check it out and then a drug cinema with also was the end is their side gig where we have adult beverages adult conversation. You also get to record. That won a couple of weeks because hit company. I believe for that one so hopefully company so hopefully we'll get recorded this week. It would last episode. We talked at forbidden planet at the nineteen fifties sci-fi classic. And they coming up. We're going to be discussing kung pow. Enter the fist. The two thousand three martial arts comedy. And i think that's going to be a lotta fun. Zan has not seen. This would just like i had seen for been playing it so it gets turned the tables on her. And i think she's gonna enjoy it. Has dick testifies very funny movie. I loved it. It was it was not what i usually take in movie wise. It was nice change of pace for me too. And i have a theory chows. That's zan voluntarily schedules. These episodes during the week. We have gold standard. Because let's be this drunk. Cinema is the gold standard after party so likes get go to the after party after discussing these very serious highbrow right there with me. You know she gets to cut loose right. you know. that's right. You know she she gets to act like an adult next podcast. And then for me you know. Get to be kids and Goof around exactly. Recess is in progress in that point at that point. Exactly so yeah. That's okay. I guess that's where we stated doesn't it all right. That's all right. That'd be cool with that. i'm accepting of it. I can deal with it so please check us out there and then let's see what else i guess it's it nick. Did you have anything else. You want to add. No i just want to once again. Thank everybody so much for supporting us and listening to us. In every four. More shaping our personal podcasts of course titan talk. It's amazing that we've reached two thousand likes. Thank you so much guys. We'll see becoming back. It's it's it's a beautiful thing and just thank you so much everything. Thank you charles For for wanting me as yours co host on this and once again my thoughts do go to jesse and hopes the heat. We'll be back you talking. His beloved bruce springsteen and the lighting is with tales of the boss official. Yes driving us crazy. We'll get drivers crazy with custody. Talk about bruce springsteen so yes jesse everybody please keep him in your thoughts. Sin them all the positive vibes you have. And hopefully we'll get back on the air soon so we miss jessie. And we're thinking about you do other than that next time with the phantom zone episode to sixteen. What are we gonna talk next well about. We talk the first. Two episodes of series called jupiter's legacy which is going to be debut beuing on net flicks here in the united states on may seventh twenty twenty one so where to be discussing the first two episodes by dawn's early light and paper in stone. Because it's netflix. They're going to release all eight episodes at once so it to kinda help fill the gap between now and loki. The next marvel cinematic universe show. Nick talked about it. We decided well. If we do two episodes a week we should be able to knock out the entire season of jupiter's legacy and a really looking forward to it so if you're wondering about why okay. What's jupiter's legacy gives them the premise charles. Yeah i'll give pro is based on the image comics series by mark. Millar frank quitely. It follows the story of the world's first superheroes who received their powers in the nineteen thirties. But now the present day they're revere essentially treat has the revered elder guard. But they're super powered children struggle to live up to the legendary feats of their parents. So it's almost like a generational saga so it is kinda like what superman and wonder woman you know like. They've been around for since ninety years. Perhaps they had some kids and their kids aren't exactly living up to those ideals and it's a very enjoyable comic book series. So if you're not familiar with it you could probably go to cobb apology. Download the issues if you wanna get up to speed otherwise. I posted the trailer for this on our fate of zone facebook page. And you can check it out there if you would. We think this is gonna fly under the radar of a lot of people. This might catch some people by surprise. It could be another boys it could be. It's very much a lot in that same tone. If you've ever seen anything that mark the law has done like kingsman perhaps or kick ass. That's right he's the creator he's the writer behind that recruiter co-creator so here he has another project for net flicks. So it's called jupiter's likasi really looking forward to talking to this. Would with dick hope you like it me too. Because as i had mentioned indian. I mentioned the boys which is something that been way. out of. My periphery the telling right. And i loved it and i'm very much hoping this will be another little undiscovered gem car like the boys which now i love to death and wait for the third season so i'm hoping now bitten. I think it's kinda cool was mentioned. Previously we did it. It'll be dc. We did aware marble. And now we'll get to do a little bit image because spread it around right exactly so that's where we're going to do so next time. Yeah like i said episode to sixteen by dawn's early light and paper in the first episodes of jupiter's legacy right here on the fate of zero podcast. Good-bye everybody joe.

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Episode 36: Woodley, Askren, Covington, Holloway, Sanchez, Dern, Walker, many more

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Episode 36: Woodley, Askren, Covington, Holloway, Sanchez, Dern, Walker, many more

"Gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Campbell. Back in your life on this Monday March fourth two thousand in nineteen. Hello everyone. I'm area. Honi? It's great to have you back. It's great to see again. It's great to talk of you. And yes, I know my voice sounds a little funny. But guess what I'm still here? You can't get rid of me. You can't spike my drink. You can't boys and me, I'm still here. Try to power through. I won't be how you say opining allot waxing poetic, it's all going to be about the guests today because we have a lot of them on the program. We have a lot to discuss as always. And also I wanna make it to the end. So it's been good. This morning. I hope it holds up. Of course, we're coming off. You have see 235 Las Vegas. I was there. T mobile Rena. John Jones is still the light heavyweight champion of the UFC as you. Well know, although dicey there for a quick second. He landed any legal knee lost two points prior to that. Look like he landed an illegal kick did not lose any points. And Anthony Smith could have taken the way out. He could have said, you know, what I'm going to run with this. I'm going to take this de Q. And I'm going to be champion. He did not. He didn't think twice. He ended up losing via decision. It was a pretty one sided affair but in doing so I think at the Smith earned the respect of the MA community and not to say that he didn't have before. But while what an honorable thing to do. In fact, I noted on I think it was Saturday night. That's one of the most honorable and impressive things that I've ever seen covering the sport. There's a lot of people who would have done that. And I know I joked a little bit that I would have done it to sort of playing devil's advocate here, but with with with bist being and Jalen Dominic, of course, I would defer to the fighters on this one. And of course, I would be more honorable than that. I wouldn't be a weasel as Dana white put it, but. Don't tell me you didn't think just for a little brief second that that would have been the smart thing to do. You would have been hated for life. But he would want the belt gun rematch. Paper viewpoints all that and more in the end, though, he loses. John Jones moves on still the champion racking up those title defenses. He's now ever so close to George saint-pierre for the record. And it seems like maybe Tagore Santos next. We shall find out. Of course, the Coleman event. The biggest news of the night is at woodley's no longer the welterweight champion of the U of C. He lost the Comorros Mun in a very one-sided of fair. The first time in a welterweight title fight that there was a fifty to forty four since you have C one eleven George saint-pierre versus Dan hardy. It's been awhile body shots. Galore breaks the record for most body shots landed in a UFC fight one ninety two what a performance rim. Kamara who's been? We've found out afterwards was battling a fracture in his foot is left foot. I believe I saw him in a wheelchair Saturday night. Pretty crazy that he was able to fight like that with a fracture in his foot. So now the champ does he get cold becoming too next? We shall fi. They had a little Malay if you will run in a little fractious a little brouhaha in the palms. I do believe the lobby yesterday. A lot of heat their co becoming too did a phenomenal job in my opinion of gaining back. Some of them omega stealing the headlines getting back into the narrative seems like he's the number one contender once again at once seventy and we'll talk to him about that later in the program. Also of note, Ben aspirin, finally gets his first UFC fight. He gets a win. It started off horribly for him. Look like he was about to get knocked out. He ends up submitting Robbie Lawler via bulldog, choke, and it was controversial. And my opinion. It was the perfect way for him to debut. And I know a lot of you were dumbfounded by that statement. But it just adds to the heat baby. And now he's on his way to London, and he's going back and forth with Darrin till and all his well for funky. Ben aspirin pager Mundos knocks out Cody guard, that's three straight knockouts for Cody Garbrandt. Wow. Who does who thought that we'd ever be in this position? He has not once he won the belt. Against Dominick Cruz. Crazy, what a sport way Lee John with the win. Johnny Walker wins in a matter of seconds. And then injured his shoulder in this eleboration crazy so beat mogul Charipov remains undefeated in the UFC all that. And more will be discussed on today's program. We've got a loaded lineups. Let me get to the lineup. And then we'll get to our first guest of the day at around three fifty. We're gonna be joined by tying Woodley turn woodley's. Having a big day today. He is releasing his debut album chaos theory unfortunate timing one could argue should happen last week use the media to get the word out. But here he is handled the loss like a pro we'll see how he rebounds. We'll see you'll ever get a welterweight this. This is very reminiscent of the steep amyotrophic situation steep as gonna have a hard time getting that that title fight after his run as champion did not go very well. But it has with of see can I see a similar thing with Willie? But we'll see crazy things of. So we'll talk them. Appreciate him coming on at around three fifty five MacKenzie Dern is going to join us. You may have heard the news that she is now pregnant going to take a break from her. You have see career BJ's. Well, we'll talk to her Matt around three forty or. So we're going to talk to ally. Quinta at three twenty five I'm looking forward to talking to him. He has been in the news, you have si said that maybe Ordina white in particular said that maybe he'd fight dancer Oni after the Donald aronie fight gets kinda McGregor fell through. I don't know if I believe that one hundred percent, but we'll get his thoughts on Ferguson now fighting for the interim belt and excuse me for getting passed over. It's going to be poor abras Holloway at you, see two thirty six April thirteenth. He's not fighting anyone at the moment. So we'll get ally. Quinta starts toys. Good talk to him on the program. We also talked to dago Sanchez who had a big win defeat. Mickey gall sudden twenty nine thousand nine dago Sanchez is on a winning streak who to thought we'd see. That this is the guy who won the first season the ultimate fighter the very first winner before Forrest Griffin one fourteen years later, he's on a winning streak. People said he had that. He was crazy all that more Diego Sanchez winning into nineteen Mickey gall someone was like more than a decade younger than him. Unbelievable. What a great character. Mike winkle, John and Brandon Gibson back to back. I it will be well in the order that I'm going Gibson. Then winkle John they had a big night with John Jones in the main event, they both cornered him to the very best coaches in the game. We'll talk to those two individuals about the big win. We'll talk to Johnnie Walker about how he's feeling after the win over Misha's Surkov the shoulder. What a what a performance what what a what a find by the U of C, what a guy what a character dancing on his way in dancing on his way out. Just an amazing personality and an absolute buzzsaw. It's been really cool to see what he's done in a short amount of time. We'll talk to MAC. Hallway about jumping up to one fifty five and fighting for that interim belt had the press conference last week. And so. I'm curious to see what he thinks about it all about funding for the inter. And also about fighting the boy seven years later seven years after they fought at U of C one forty three Henry who full stop by. He finally gets his you have see champion. We'll talk about that. He of course, is the coach of tomorrow's Mun and Colby Covington will stop by one twenty five we'll talk to him about his crazy week in Las Vegas. But I let us go to the sky machine and say Hello to Ben aspirin. Now. I will tell you that in the ten years of doing this program. I've never pre taped an interview, but Ben aspirin is on a flight as we speak back home to Milwaukee from Las Vegas. So I- bended the rules or I bent the rules for Ben aspirin. I thought it was worth it. I tried to hide it. But as you'll hear in a matter of seconds. He revealed he broke K fehb right off the bat that we had to pre-tape this like an hour ago. So it's not that long ago. Same spots aim location. I could hit it, but I'm very transparent, I'm one who lays his cards out on the table. So without. Do let us talk to who had that controversial win over Robbie Lawler Saturday night in Las Vegas Bennis grin. I appreciate you doing this in the Las Vegas airport on your way back home first things first, congratulations on the wind Saturday. How are you feeling? I see your little bit moved up. Yeah. I got your eyes swollen doing great day absent yesterday. How red win the hut? A nap on all kinds of stuff yesterday at home in the airport. Unfortunately, you know, my lifetime, right? Bring your regular kids. Will Joe's big time. No problem. But you just broke K Fe. Ben, I wasn't going to tell anyone that. This was pre-tape. I was going to keep my streak alive. And now, you just expose me to the world. But it is the first time in the ten year history of this program that we have pre taped an interview. So that's another huge distinction for you another feather in your cap up there with the the hajj awards and the Olympic team and whatnot. Why don't do things like most people do them? So I think I think of work. You know what? Honestly here I think glitter. Litter? I think some people are offense to the guy that they can go beat up someone that looks like Robbie I think people are actually getting away kind of upset about them. Yes. There may be upset about the finishes while we'll get into second. I wanna know what was going through your mind in the first thirty seconds of this fight when he's picking you up when he's landing those shots. We've never seen you in a position like that before you're just trying to survive, but what is going through your mind. This couldn't have started out worse for you. I know right. Well, you know, what actually starts up breaking today shoot? I grant I almost every five seconds of that was been testing. Then he's lives his arm food. I underestimate the power during fixing be slammed me amid temperatures not only that. But he's got my arm temps in my body. And he's blasting the on thing catching by freehand was grab cared being catching the hand that he's hitting me. And I couldn't get in to them. Whereas that you fighting back my back. He knows that's not a quality. I really like showcasing. Visit. I don't care mainly knows. I'm on some sun of done. I the some that probably everyone wants play thing there. They don't my God that had to the beating and he just kept coming forward and did not quit figured out. How to doesn't get job done? Will you ever out at any point? Look like your head snapback at one point. No, I don't believe. So okay. Were you worried that they would stop the fight that herb dean would stop the fight? Honestly, wasn't even thinking about that. It was no just find the risk by the refined. The refined the rest that was all that was all that was going through my head at that point in time. Once you're able to whether that storm, did you feel like you were out of it? Or did you get right back into things mentally? Free day a bad situation. What all face, you know, say okay. I ended up getting a Brown his chest. And then fighting up there. You know, I knew I was a pretty bad situation. But not fighting like probably board ended up eventually getting the takedown and then vegetating job. And and that was all she wrote in frankly, you know, I thought it was a great day to into odd thing. Insane fight that a lot of a lot of fun watching it showcase tough. Visit my ability to mind the win despite adversity. So herb dean is getting roasted everyone saying that it was an early stoppage, including Dana white was it the right call on your opinion. Visit. Yeah. Absolutely. There's the one video area where you just see his arm all the way up on the head. And it just Rahm almost about stuff that and there's absolutely no way that you can say at that point in time. He was punched says there's a movement unconscious, man. And I think we're the confusions the first time that herb like some Dami. There was some confusion. My parks was looking straight at herb in the eyes. I was also try and set out Robbie, and I kind of loosen my ribbon as you know, the plug joke. Lots you go out all you need to go blood that wake back off. And that was what happened by the time. I loosen up a little bit. You know, he's already back in the game. But you don't have to pull the of conscious for three raising the render them unconscious period of time. Every her did make the right call. And then the other thing that people are negating situation. I was under I had a minute forty left. I crush watermelon. There was no path with Cape Robbie there was none. I will he did not have been walked me. I was underneath that fight was over as again. Could you feel his body? Go limp. Like did it go from stiff to weaker? Could you feel him actually going out? Why felt I felt the Hansel and he wants a handful it actually even like the back of hits the mat? And not like, you know, he put his hand down to push or grab or anything like the arm is very very very clearly just falling. It's unconscious of and he'll I was trying to book with your Robbie drowsy attention to her. You know, there was a lot of things going on there for me. Is it true that you wanted to go back out and corner Tyronn after you're fighting? They didn't let you why did. And then listen, I had already either due diligence. I had talked to them on Tuesday about doing so. And they said, hey, they'll be deal. They should make an issue is thought that I was going to the first few. I would have to fight from for tyrant. They said, no, you're retiring, and they said, hey. You know, the one given foreigners playing time is going to deal is still, you know, I thought it wasn't giving an issue. And then you know, it became an issue. What did you make tyrants performance? Man. That's that's something tyrant over for one time. The one thing that he'll he'll he'll this ROY McDonald over his he didn't pull the trigger looking for the perfect opportunity and Martin his credit fighting hard. He kept telling me forward, and he didn't make it easy entire. And so he just never given the perfect super tyrod has realized what I would hold or not, you know, I don't know that would have been different. But you're not gonna find the perfect sometimes like my fighting perfect. And he just got to keep on fighting. Gotta find your adviser way to win figured out did mardi impress. You. Did he surprise you? He didn't impress me. At all. Really? I was just really I was really tired. Not falling the bigger, you know is on time. I know I know what he I know the tools he has available to him. And they said he just didn't pull the trigger. I would say more. You know, it was a case of tire not executing mardi having an amazing five. You talked to turn afterwards. Talked a little bit afterwards Texas in a minute yesterday. We haven't had a super in depth on conversation. But you know, I'm sure we're gonna catch up again here in the next day or two he's a weird for you. Because you when your debut, but he's so down is it hard to fully appreciate the moment and be happy. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, that's I can tell you. I didn't really see a scenario where that fight. I really I really didn't grade. But I I didn't see it happening. To the best of my knowledge backstage you in Colby had a bit of a running. You guys had a back and forth. What was said it wasn't much of a back and forth. It was like he's had one thing to mate badgering him say will you please leave phobia loan said, okay? I I realized he's like you and has no denying Lee back and forth because it open into a roast vest. But I will leave them alone be interesting to do so nicely. What did you say? You know, what I'm not even recalling this moment. I I made fun of medical microphones opened workout that he had. I think I asked him why he never called the out here to me. And I can't remember what else is there. The handful in for guard asked me to stuff. Okay. So it seems though like he is going to be next for Comorros men. Are you okay with that? I mean, it's not ideal. But yes, fine. Okay. So he's next for it seems although we've heard this story before you said afterwards that you already have your flight book to London. I do. That's accurate. You book the flight you have paid for it. I booked at two weeks ago. Did you book it on your own? No, I got the book forming, and so they're on board with this idea of you fighting the winner of till Maswadeh. Why didn't really totally tell them what my engines going along London were but they agreed by that. You know, they have guest guest fighters all the fights of. I thought it was perfect me to get hill. Modular office still somewhat. I've wanted to fight for white longtime. He's very highly ranked he just bought title. He's in home country well enough. And so yeah, that's where I'm going. This is Darren to Twitter yesterday. Been your performance was expletive. You barely won. You are ugly as expletive that chin is too big not to miss you have no respect for no one. Oh, did I say you are a curly-haired expletive CU in London muppet? What did you make of that tweet? I mean, that's like a typical Darren will be. That was only for their though respect for no one. I've lied. I respect for everyone. Yeah. I mean, the guy the guy is just as young punk chip on shoulder, very hostile. Obviously, I was trying to take him. I got what I wanted. And I'll be unloaded in nine days. Are you hoping that he wins? Because that's that's the money fight here. Not so much you and muzzle. Yeah. I think the huge fight. I think there's a really good chance to win. I think the chances Windsor. And have they said to okay, you will get him. If he wins like has been said, or are you just going to try to make it happen? A hundred Campbell's actually London. And I said, I talked to said we don't have dinner when we there, and that was all talk data doesn't Dana doesn't talk. We don't deal with each other. At all do I haven't even talked to him at all. He didn't talk to you after the fight. No does that bum. You out. No, not really is pretty par for the course to listen. I don't know what this guy has against me. But he obviously something against point teen is pretty obvious. Even though he tries say he does it that he does. Now, his body language as after one way, even though his words may speak another and his Dane for me after the fight there tonight with so palpable. You could almost really you could I don't know what his problem is a really don't I I've tried multiple times now to sit down with him and reasonable conversations. And what is your issue of me? He won't even he wanting to sit down with peril. You could feel that he was upset after your fight. Yeah. All right. So what what did you feel could you see him? Did you try to go up to him? Did you see cage side? Yeah. What I said something in the post by speech, but then obviously, I hustle back. I tried to get out with Iran. They didn't let me out. I was complaining. I ended up going to watch terrified me out somewhere else. Then I had to get stitches in my eye and their. Have you to media are? By the way. What did you say to him on the stage at the ceremonial wins? I saw you go up to him right before you squared off. I wanted some pushback you wanted to push back. What does that mean? Man. It means. It means every needs two sides doesn't. He's trying to fake like there's not this conflict. And it was it's real it's genuine. We don't even have to make believe and that's the best kind of conflict. Right. Just say. Yes. Own it. Right. Played own it. Yes. By the way. Did you see that video of Covington and spun and loosens manager see this so ridiculous and so many albums, but how would be hides behind old lady? I mean, how is our was that? Did you see manager getting the mix really happening? You see who's been manager get in the mix. Yeah. But what if you? Too fast forward. We'll be is this woman. And I'm confused Marty was in a wheelchair after the fight like his life or something. He's jumping Colby a whole bunch of time here. So man, there's so many I have so many lessons about this video and in this fight like who do you root for because I feel like you have issues with both men. I'm not really for anyone. I mean, if you if you I don't I don't have to repair it. I I think they I think they both saw and. I'll be I'll we have these other Twitter last night for the Martin fight think he's probably seven Toby for some reason if I had the pig though, I I think I've said this before tires five I think Marty's as little better version of Fulbe you'll little fast over the stronger little bit little better wrestler, better strike yourself. You know, that's wrong with four. But I I. How like? To that point. Do you think there's any chance that they punish Colby and actually give you the fight against the next? I mean, not only not only would you know, what would make sense pirating Hobie get the fight. That would make a lot of sense, right? I would quite already. But I think the matter is I'm biggest both these guys, and I don't and I don't think it's both aerial the UC point playing told me that of all the fights on thirty five I had the most interest, and we're talking about to huge stars John bill's entire Woodley. And I had the most interest. I have way more I have way more heat right now. Either of these guys that party smart 'cause he's getting you cut. Now, he's probably gonna call my name. Why do you think that is? I mean, even on our YouTube your videos are doing like three to four times more than everyone else. Where's this interest coming from? Yeah. I I I'll give you some guesses, but I've kind of perplexed by myself. You know, there was pushed back for me. And then when I guess time it's been like total one eighty flip. And I think a lot of it just like, I'm genuine. I'm just telling you whether who I I'm not faking posing tough guy. And I think there's just something. So real about that that people are joined right now what if they come to you and say, we know we really want to run a back with Robbie was controversial. We have to do this again. What's your response? No. I didn't wanna to rob in the first place. Listen, I'm sorry. Dana guide in win. And he's outing vowed right out. He wants to run it back. But we're just not going to do that. I mean, I didn't want his birthplace. How does that benefit me? I mean, if I beat him again, I'm not really any better spot than I am right now. I'm in a spot right now where I have a whole bunch of you put me in Bardi on the paper, you the huge bites. You put me until together be huge fight. And so why do I wanna go have a fight that I didn't really have? And matter of fact, that I want fairly rarely. Just curious when you walked out when you had the whole experience when you went back to the locker room. I mean, I'm sure you've dreamed of what it would feel like to be a UFC fighter. You went through the whole fight week. You got to wear the prestigious Reebok uniform you had your name on it. I mean, it was all great. You're trying to taunt me by now. Ariel know. Why what do what do you mean? I just wanted to know if you're trying to get me to say, something crazy. No, I'm not thing your bait right now, absolute I just wanted to know if it lived up or perhaps exceeded your expectations the experience. Great time. You know, what I I actually I tell Meghan Levy this. She interviewed me afterwards. I for whatever reason, I don't know. And listen, I I pride myself on being a sports psychology expert. I think there was something about my fire performances to this. Why felt like I needed to be perfect to the head of Finnish fast. And I put a lot of personal myself because of competition wasn't point on my level. And this one it was like there was nothing to worry about a win by five beat Robbie is great. You know? And so it took it was just like fun. I enjoyed the moment. I enjoyed the whole week. Everything bought it. I enjoyed it. So I had a great week. I loved it. And obviously gonna heal today's here, but I'm excited to you've met in there. Have you ever been slammed like that before? Time. Yeah. Never made. There's not a lot of people on the people. There's not a lot of people that generates power that he did up and down. And like, I just underestimated how fast is gonna give you up and down and put me in that bad spot where he risked under my body. He was amazing. What a say. And I thought the whole thing was not going to end well for you. And how you turn things around was remarkable in its own right? My final thing metaphor my life right now. It is why I got killed for this. I said it was the perfect fight for you. It was it went you came back from adversity you win somewhat. Controversial people may hate you more now. But they care. That's all you one right people. You wanna be in-depth endless? The other day about this. If that was pulled me and not Robbie. Forgot about and because they're Sanford robberies. Everybody was I like him. Good dude fighter. And that's why they're decibel. Phobia people that really care about. I don't think anyone gives that thawed is when you see armed drop the armed job. Sometimes more controversial submission that one or the Ryan Thomas one from back in the day. I would say the Ryan Thomas because when when you go air street watchi-, I think you're just trying to play the fence because I know that's what you do times. You watch the video of the armed going here. All the way up on my head, and it is drums to to the canvas. And have vowed says the back of his head south on the man that there's not the move of fan. Okay. So the plan is go to London sit there in the front row till wins. Maybe have that fight July August than fight for the belt around. What I mean? During that, I'm thinking Junaid, Chicago or your national. Okay. And then you'll be funny for the belt around November. So that's what I told you longtime ago, you did you did not against George saint-pierre, but close enough well who knows ever held? Then I appreciate I know you have a flight to catch. Thank you some doing this. Or you ask him fusing president my performance. He said, listen because when you think about George says, the thing the thing he was most proud of is home life was that he got up. Hick gets pearls pundit. You remember him saying yes, and listen, I didn't get up one. I got I don't know how hold day Robbie me. And Elba me. We could make quitting on fighting is that now the proudest moment of your career. I don't know about that. I mean, I'd rather not get here. But I think it shows that I have that kid village. Do that kind of thing if I need to can you boom Roshni before you go can you can you give me a how Wani boom roasted? Oh, my God arrow your noses. So big it smoke suck up all the smog in Las Vegas, boom. Roasted. Thank you. Ben. Take care. Congratulations. There is Ben aspirin. Now wanna know in the UFC? All right. So great stuff there from Ben aspirin. Thank you very much to him. You see what he did on Saturday? Let's not waste any time. Let's go to the man that you all want to hear from let's go to the Skype machine. Once again and say Hello to Coby Covington. What a week he had in Las Vegas there. He is nice jacket Colby. How are you? It's good to talk to you. Again. The mean Jean of MA is that a compliment? I don't know. Who you ask? Okay. I'll just take it on face value. So are you still in Las Vegas Vegas till tomorrow? Okay. Well, what a week for you. As I said at the top of the show. You did a great job. I think of stealing back the headlines gaining momentum reasserting yourself in the narrative seem like for a minute. At least to me like you were kind of slipping away from the narrative, but wow, you just hit every single Mark from Thursday through to Sunday. Let's start with Sunday because this footage emerged via teams E sports that you and camario and even Comorros manage early abilities gone into a run in at the palms. What happened there could you? Tell us your side of the story they over at the dump the poems, and I'm waiting in the Buffy line aerial. I'm just trying to get some crab legs. Can the man get some crab legs? Can the man that champ guessing crab legs peace and all of a sudden, low energy, mardi comes that terrorist rat Ali calms and. Some other watch. And then they start pushing swinging input innocent danger innocent kids lives in danger in a pregnant lady, you know, there's a pregnant lady she screaming apprentice, stop this in Ali snow pushing trying to make a scene who's still try to scream at me going to get you in as little sasquatch is like throwing punches at my friend in his is trying to push me. I made to complete joke. You know? I can't believe that you know, they allow that Vegas in just a bunch of filthy animals. Did anyone punch you? I'll try to swing me. But you know, I got catlike reflexes. So obviously, he's not gonna hit me slow as Pertile and to the best your knowledge anyone get in trouble. As a result of this. I r- that. No one got in trouble. I know that the for Titas owned the palm. So I think they gave that terrorist rat a pass and and didn't want to didn't want to hurt Martos Mitch chances deporting back to Nigeria before it gets his ass from me. Okay. Did you say like who'd knighted this who started it were you in the line? They came up to you. Or did you see them? How did it start from your perspective? Lie with my friend. You know, we're waiting to go to the and get some breakfast. And I wasn't even looking up. I was looking down at my phone all of a sudden, I get pushing in ladies start screaming on Prentice. This don't do this here. There's a bunch of little kids that are like screaming in the background in here. You got Ali coming over your acting like he's a fighter Mike you'll chill out. Do not even a fighter. I mean. Maybe you're one in fifteen is a fighter, but you not a real fighter. You know Marty. He should be on his victory tour of winning his number one contender ship fight. But he's getting hostile. And by the way, you know, it's pretty funny. He was claiming to have some broken foot. You looked fine mighty yesterday jumping rails trying to get my face. So, you know, some more fake news from him trying to say he was all hurt with his foot and he had a hurt yet. You look mighty fine. Trying to trying to fight me in the buffet line the poems yesterday into the best for at anyone get hurt as a result of this s mile knowledge. I really don't know, you know, I I had to get out of there right away. They ban me from the poems property. For doing. Absolutely nothing. Just sitting there saying, hey, man, we're professionals. You know, I'm gonna beat you're asking the cage man, I'm not I'm not going to press charges on you 'cause the real competing punishment for you is is when we get octagon. I don't watch your support it back to Nigeria. So, you know, I don't know if anybody got hurt I hope not I feel for the pregnant lady I feel for the kids. You know, it sad. You know, Marty tries to be this. You know, dad figure in this nice guy in this this baby face. But why would you go put innocent people in in children more importantly their lives in danger? You know, it's it's very piss poor in you know, he's a fake fraud. Wow. So you've been so you're actually staying at the palms. And as a result of this incident, you've been banned. Staying at the poems in a resort in because of this incident. I'm banned from palms property for the rest of my life. That is an is Mon Banda's wells alley band. Did you hear about what happened to them that they were kicking them off the premises? But really knows you know, I don't really know if they did I really love to find out because you know, that that's not fair. You know, if I got kicked off for doing nothing in the naked off for starting in instigating a fight. Where are you now? House in Las Vegas off the strip. You know, I got too much. He now area. I gotta watch my back everywhere. I go I have my security guards the all weekend. But you know, I wouldn't think that I needed him on Sunday when I was just going to get, you know, sitting get some crab legs from the buffet and get ready to wind things down and go home before I get ready to work Marty's ass do feel unsafe in Vegas right now. And I mean, there's so many people that want my head, you know, at the fights. You know, I had called girly front row in his crew. Heckling at me talking, you know, Donald Trump, you get your ass kick next five, blah, blah, blah. And you know, just the fans I mean, I mean, the people at all the casinos, man. You know, I'm too high risk. You know, I'm too high profile now in in, you know, being Donald trumps favorite fighter is a big liability for me. So I'm just going to be staying indoors getting ready for this fight Todd Gurley of the Los Angeles Rams was heckling you Jared bunch of fans who like that's girly. I was sitting front row, you know, with my. Security guards in four rows four seats down. There was you know, my security pins all taught girly in his crew. You know, so you know, they were heckling means ain't some things you up Kobe. That's why they brought like ten cops right in front of me right outside the cage 'cause they are making sure that nothing went down in the crowd. Wow. Also wanted to ask before I ask you about the fight itself. Diego. Sanchez posted a photo of a picture that appear to be backstage that you were banned from from T mobile, but then you were sitting in in in the in the arena. So was that not a real picture? What was that all about over you just not allowed backstage? But I saw you backstage. Right. You did interviews. You know, they had those posted around the arena that I wasn't allowed the Rena. So, you know, originally I wanted to crash the the way in, but you know, my my sign was outside the T mobile they weren't gonna let me in. So I just went among the fans you did Opole eighty percent of the fans wanted me here this weekend. So, you know, I had to do what the peoples champ does that I went on the people outside the way in you know, I was hanging out signing autographs kissing babies doing interviews doing the whole thing. And then all of a sudden, you know, the T mobile security and cops came in escort may off the premises. Instead, I wasn't allowed back on. So when I came back for the fights. I know I had to you know, I had to hide my bodyguards sneak in in. Luckily, you know that they weren't able to notice me on the way in Nate. As who would have thought birds of feather. You guys are are linked together. When say linked together where you know, we're we're nothing is together. You know, our skill level is way apart from each other. You know, he's a bottom. Feeder, you know, you know, it was funny because he won't by me. Coby flipped me off when I was sitting front row when he was walking by cage side. So, you know, it's a spokesman keep that energy Nate, if you're so tough, man, let's see inside the cage everyone just so hostile towards the. Okay. So let me ask you about the fight itself. Is there a part of you that was disappointed that Woodley loss, especially in that fashion. You feel like you lost out on on the bigger fight. Heartbroken. I was team would the all night, man. I mean, even me mama Woodley got into. But you know, I had to settle her down. And let her know that, you know. I know you're sizing me up, but I got other ladies, you know, I'm a heartbreaker, but but tonight, I am team Woodley in and I want your son to win this number one contender fight. So you know, I was heartbroken me Woodley. This has been built up for so many years through the gym through everything man. It it sucks, man. I wanted to be the one that was going to send his career out in in Finnish his career, but you know, that's not the way things lined up at fortunately in. Now, we have a new new challenge for my belt. So you know this. There's a lot of good build up with newsmen. You know, he's he's at black salience. You know, the ATT rivalry there. It's going to be a good one, man. But let's be honest. The best part of the fight this weekend is when they put me on the big screen. Yes. That was pretty good. What did you make of woodley's performance than other bore fest from both of them? You know Woodley? I did he break his record released on strike stone in title fight again. I'm not I'm not I don't think. So I think you're going to the Maya fight. But I don't think he broke it and Roquette again, he didn't throw very may strikes. But you know, he was so busy worrying about that album chaos theories. He was trying to make some rap album about me. He didn't even wanna fight manny's cashed out, man. He just showed up to get those pay-per-view points. John jones. So, you know, he Tyron Woodley was shell this former self and that wasn't a legitimate win. I was another win for who's men that he did something after I already did it already beat with these ask many years ago. I repeat Mayes ass beat RDA's ass. You know, he keeps doing all these things after ever done a Mariel. What happened as he left? The cage. It seemed like you had to be separated to exchange words, what happened there because it was hard to tell on the broadcast. He came out of the doctor. He came right over to me. And I ran over to to get this close as I cope without the security. Pull me back. I let him know bids. Your time's up, man. Enjoy your number one contender ship win tonight. But next you're gonna get your ass whoop. So, you know, I said Marty keep that energy, man. You look real low energy right now. I hope you keep that same energy when I see off and on next you have to admit though. I mean, there was something impressive about what he did. To woodley. The body. Shots broke record for you have see fights in terms of most body shots landed doing that to fifty to forty four on the scorecards. I mean was there any view those like all right? Come loose mint is legit thought. He was legit. You know, look at Woodley. He's he. No, he's thirty six thirty seven years old. He didn't even train this training camp, man. He was so busy in Hollywood talking about the Kardashians. Talking about the bieber's on TMZ. He was worried about his little rap album. He's worried about doing this acting. He spread himself so thin aerial. I mean, that's a shell of his former self man, he didn't throw any punches. He didn't. He didn't come to fight, man. I mean, if you think that was a precedent. Wait till you see what I do next fight. You still wanna fight Woodley at some point. Or now that he's not the champion. Do not have any interest. You know, I love to to end his career in integrate fashion, spectacular fashion. He deserves lights put out cold and be unconscious in that octagon. Not a not a judge's decision. You know, we all know judges decisions can be rigged. And you know, there's a lot of corruption in the sport. So, you know, if he wins a couple of fights actor I finished what a mardi snows men than I would welcome that challenge. After the fight were you told unequivocally by the you have C brass anyone who works for the you have C at an executive level that you in fact, no matter what will be next in line for Comorros Mun that you guys will fight each other to unify those titles was that said to Dana white came over to me in between in the middle of the fourth round. And he let me know. Hey, kobe. You're gonna be next. We're gonna bring you backstage to do some media. And you're gonna get your shot in you know, I just thanked him. You know, I was glad that we had that man to man talk in the palm of the night the blackjack table in. We settle our differences and businesses good. Now, you know, I think him for the opportunity. Okay. Why don't they bring you in the cage, by the way to do the face off? That would have been a cool moment. Asking him. You know, Dana came up to me in the first round. Like man, let me get let me get in that often comment. I wanna see them face to face at. I like a man he said, it would have been too much of a security liability. Definitely, you know, tempers flaring, an emotions are high right now. So you know, he didn't want anything bad to happen somewhat. Definitely went down. It would have been a a Khabib Connor Malay all over again in in. You know, I'm on the people's champion. I don't wanna put the people in danger. Do you believe him? Do you actually believe you'll fighters Monette for the boat? I can't say I really truly believe in because I've been said this before, you know, so, you know, just like he said in his last interviews that nothing's guaranteed in life. So you don't just going to keep working hard doing what I do man showing up places. Creighton chaos, you know, unpredictable. You don't know what I'm gonna do next. Let me tell you one thing you've ever seen the best yet area. I'm just getting started. I got so many tricks up my sleeves, and so what happened backstage with Ben aspirin understand you to exchange words, I asked him about that. But I wanted to get your side of the story. There wasn't really much to you know, I'm waiting for interviews. He said, hey, why don't you? Call me out Koby. Why don't you ask for me? I said, no problem. Ben just get a win in the UFC. He said, I just got to win the Kobe. I said Ben not one that the reps. Give you. You didn't think that that was legit? When you are impressed with that. If again strikes he was about to be unconscious knocked out the ref. Let him stay in there. And then all of a sudden the ref gave it to him when he he didn't even have a choke around the neck. It was around the ear men. Lawler was completely coherent in in in the fight in. You know, Ben aspirin was pretty much unconscious on wobbly legs gassed out, man. He was gonna get knocked out unconscious. If referenced save him, as you know, Koby Ali those whose whose managers pretty influential in the you have these days he tweeted yesterday much versus aspirin as part of you that's worried that they're going to take the fight away from you after what happened on Sunday. About where men I didn't do anything wrong that terrorist rashy get deported back to whatever country. He snitched on you know, he shouldn't be allowed in this country for all the he does manny's over there trying to take swingset professional fighters. You know, what else he told me area? He told me he's gonna track me down. He's gonna shoot me. Kill me. What do you think about that win yesterday yesterday at the, but he said that to me I sweated out of my life? I would not lie you aerial. You're my man, I got nothing but love for you. I was keep it honest with you. He told me he was gonna shoot me kill me. And I have witnesses that they heard him say that. Well, so I was very personal between everyone now. Hopefully, we'll get to see that fight. I wanna ask you about what happened on Thursday because the consensus on Friday seemed to be that while Kobe went too far when he tracked down Dana white at the palms and you fill them on your live. Why did you take that video down after you filmed? It it seemed like everyone thought that maybe now you were seriously going to be reprimanded for what you did for putting them on the spot like that the. The biggest thing about this all area we talked before. I just all I wanted was a man to man with Dana white. I just wanted to explain to me. Why was it fighting this weekend? I was healthy to fight this weekend. Why did I get passed up for somebody? That's behind the the rankings. It made no sense. So you don't he gave me some clarity? He said, you know, you can't turn down fights. I said Dana. I've never turned on fight that you're UFC. Doctors didn't tell me. I couldn't fight it. I've accepted every fight of taken. I'm always accompany man ready to fight it. So you know, I got a man to man with him. I took down the video because you know, I've got what I wanted. I you know, I was filming I heard in the palms allowed to film. So I turned off the film. I deleted the film. And I got what I wanted mission accomplished. All I wanted was a face to face with Dan why I wanted to explain where I'm coming from and get on the same page in in. Now, we're on the same page. You know, we're we're not going to be friends. We're not meant to be friends were meant to do business in. That's what this is all about. Well, so it seemed like he listened to that you got what you wanted was the discussion was at contentious at all or was he was he open to hearing you out a open area. He he understood what where I was coming from. And he heard me out. You know, I I let him know what's going on what I'm doing in in what my vision is. So he understood that and he realizes that I'm gonna be you know, a superstar in this company. No it, and I think I stole all the headlines this weekend. And I didn't even throw a punch I may duck a couple of punches from lead. But I didn't even throw a punch this weekend. I saw the headline, but thanks to my cat like reflexes. And so do you think that you'd be in this position Colby this position of now fighting, and and and and it seems very they came up to that. If you didn't come to Vegas. Do you feel like you had to come and make this noise? Create this chaos as you said in order to reassert your yourself atop those rankings. I don't think I had to. But you know, what I had a burden on my shoulder areas. You did the poll you did the largest pool in ESPN history on your platform in eighty percent of the fans wanted me out here. So you know, I took that burden on my shoulder to come out here for the people man, I had I had to defend this people's title. America's title, I had to bring some electric city in some energy to this week, man. No one even knew about thirty five wasn't for me this week. So, you know, I I all not only to the people, but the UFC man to give them a real show, man. Low energy Marty. He's boring, man. No one wants to see that you are being criticized by some of your fellow fighters for being caught on camera calling someone after the the fractious at the palms who are you calling. Kicks man. I was supposed to meet up with them at the buffet. So I let them know. Hey, baby. I'm gonna be a little late. But don't worry. We're gonna get this mess sorted out. And I'm not gonna put you're not going to be in harm or dangerous way. And we'll meet up. We'll get some cardio in the bedroom. You know, I've gotta get ready for this title fight. So I got porn star cardio aerial. You know, it's time to start getting ready at training camp in there's no better way to get ready for training camp and gets imported are cardio in the bedroom. Perfect world. When would you like this fight to happen? When you think it's going to happen. Perfect world, you know, July international fight week. You know, Las Vegas is the fight capital of the world. So what better way to unify my title in to end all the hype around snooze men than July fight week. But you know, if it has to be June in Chicago that that that sounds great to be too. I know snooze majority making excuses about having injuries. But we also yesterday TMZ that he's mighty fine. There's nothing wrong with him. He's completely healthy. So we can run this junior. Ally. The sooner the better, I'm ready to knock this grout. What do you think the chances are of the president attending your fight? You said that your his favorite fighter. You have this connection with them? Now, we'll extend the invitation. And you think you'll actually come? The President Mr Donald Trump in the Oval Office. You know, it's too big of a security issue for him to come to a fight Yawovi has a lot of haters out there, you know, he has a lot going on his life. But I guarantee that Donald Trump junior will be at the fight. In obstinate invitation to the whole Trump family, I would love to have them out there. And you know, it's it's gonna be a spectacle. Man, I'm here to make wealth rate. Great again, and what better way to unify title and bring in the Trump family. What a week for you. Kobe. Wow. You proud of yourself you happy with your work at a great week. You know, I'm thankful for Dan Lambert for providing champ force one. So I could get out to Las Vegas on my I'm on his private jet and back safely. Get ready for training camp, man. You guys are about to see me take over the whole game. You're coming for the ride with me REO. I look forward to. Thank you Koby. Stay safe out there. Okay. Don't get any more trouble. I can't guarantee anything before. I leave back in Florida. I might end up in Las Vegas jail system. Okay. Hopefully, not thank you Koby. Good luck to pre she at the time. There is Colby Covington. Perhaps the most hated man in MMA. You saw the footage got into the fractious at the palms yesterday. Hopefully that doesn't affect the fight being made that certainly does appear to be the fight to make and you'll recall last year in Brooklyn prior to UC to twenty three at the press conference. You know, the one that had DC there and other big names. It was fun and Colby who stole the show. And they weren't even scheduled the fights. You can go all the way back to a year to where there's there's an issue between these two the build up should be great. It should be heated. It should be personal. It should definitely be one of the more than -ticipant fights up twenty nineteen and international fight week. Would obviously be a nice showcase he mentions June in Chicago, that's where he'd beat RDA. And that's where he won that. Interim title that would be seen as well. But perhaps a bit of a quick turnaround for men who I did see getting rolled around in that in that wheel. Chair on Saturday night. Okay. So that's comington. That's aspirin. Let's talk about one of the other big stars who fought on Saturday. You have see to thirty five Las Vegas, Nevada. We were all wondering how Johnny Walker would look after taking a fight on just a couple of weeks notice and fighting perhaps his toughest test yet Michel Surkov. Well, all he needed. Once again was just a couple of seconds. This man is a fiend on this man is taking the UFC by storm. He's taking the light heavyweight division by storm just a couple of weeks ago. He needed fifteen seconds to Tayo Justin low debt on Saturday little longer thirty six seconds had the memorable celebration afterwards. We'll check in now with the man they call Johnny Walker to see how he's doing here. He is joining us via the magic Skype, Johnny. How are you? Game offense. How are you? I'm doing great. Wow. What a great Skype connection. That is. I really appreciate you. Joining us first things first most important. How are you feeling? How's your shoulder must should these key? I came move. I came with my on, but Philibert pan after check go to the hospital in a few hours to make some arms to see what happened. Did you go to the hospital after the fight? Or is this your first trip? No, I have to go. I don't go either have being they're still yet. So could you tell us what you felt when you were celebrating. What did you feel in your shoulder? Yeah. The first step when when I started warm celebration. I feel my shoulder dislocated, Dan. I let go the way to my face. I support my way to my face in and sue soap sooner fuel more damage might show. The didn't hurt crazy. Hurts a lot. Yes. Yeah. You hit it. Well, though, you kinda you played it off very nicely. You're good actor. Thank you. Have you ever heard that shoulder before? No, I I'm while have you ever have you either. Have you decided either shoulder at any point in your life? Now, my shoulders K hundred percent is she okay but little bit pan. I haven't to to make some threatens like and she's a therapy or something. Sure. And so. In your mind. When you understand that you've hurt yourself, but you're celebrating. So it's not in the fight. What is going through your mind? Are you thinking oh my God. This is embarrassing. This is a nightmare. What are you thinking as you realize that your shoulders hurt? Yeah. Sure. Like a. I can come back the time. But he can't. I don't do this again. I have to hold myself to make a celebration. More safe for me. Yeah. Are you not going to celebrate like that ever again? Maybe have train celebrates than because I never trained at twin backflips in ever other things, but they're warms first time second time attracting, but we both just raining then I heard myself while. Okay. Yes. So maybe just take it easy. Now. What about the fight itself? You must be thrilled again, less than a minute for you, thirty six seconds. Another knockout, did you expect that you'd be able to finish this opponent? A lot of people were saying it was your toughest opponent today that quickly. Yeah. I little bit disappointed with me. 'cause I finished so quickly. I wanna this myself know, I wanna find free hounds. I wait for this guy. Tried to me how try. Can make more defy hard free. But yet finish so quickly. Like, I need one like proper fights fights more like free hounds. I wanna see how how might. Declan defense techniques for defense dick Dow house going I have to check on how few like after one to the last house. I wanna few how going my my God, my rich states. I need this myself. If am really ready for the diet doesn't know one day. So you actually want the fights the longer like is there a part of you. That's disappointed when they end so quickly. Yeah. Four so wanna fight for house? I need this myself. So new for me to know I trained for like five years. No, I started like I here five years ago. I have I still learn everyday, and I need to that's the no. 'cause I don't know if you can defense if you're not I train, I know that techniques but to have Putin practice. Yeah. It's crazy. So you're you're winning these fights in the most amazing way possible. You've now one three performance of the night bonuses. But I get the sense that there's a part of me that wishes the flight went thirteen minutes, fourteen minutes, just so that you can test yourself and find out more about yourself. I've never heard that from someone before usually people are very happy quick fight. I get to go home. I get paid. I get a bonus. This is amazing. Yeah. I Brown to off myself as well. I know everything happened at like goods, I'm happy, but San needs more than oh, I don't feel like set special. I feel I need more than I wanna fight soon. Again, maybe next month to something like this. You think you think your shoulder it'll be okay for next month? I don't need to ensure that you fight. I can fight with shoulder. So maybe in Rio do you like the idea of fighting reort you like fighting in the United States now? Anyway, anytime when read you I want to check my show much shorter. Okay. I can find out other ones. Let some over them. Sue somebody beat him into. I wanna be hundred percent sure. Who show other percents Welker? Right. You had fought on the contender series in Las Vegas. But this is your first time fighting, you know, t mobile big Las Vegas event pay per view event. Did you like the experience was it fun for you gorse? Of course. I like I before I go to see I never think about one day. I go to Vegas. No like and now, I'm he is like a dream. I'm so proud. Yeah. You should be proud. It's unbelie are you starting to get more attention. Now, you're getting those sponsors. I know you're frustrated about the respect and attention back. Home are more people starting to to call you to pay attention to you. Yeah. Of course, I think now people can see me you can see me. Now. I see, you know. Yes. Like, John CENA said, right? Have any have you secured any sponsors yet? Do you have anyone who's backing you? I think it somebody to my coaching. My manage think is something is going to happen at good. It's about time. And by the way, I loved what you wore at the media day with the bow tie the suspenders well done. Thank you. Try dress. Something better the next time notes unbel- everything you're doing is on point. I wanna ask you did you get a chance to watch the main event John Jones and Anthony Smith. Yeah watching. Yeah. What did you think of John Jones's performance? I think I think he he's grits fights like, but he needs proper fights. Like me, I I'm sure it can give proper fight the no if you give one one five one he fights one. If if you get on big fights on hard fighting hot fights, then judge can show Mars. Well, dan. I'm sure. When I fight against him. You see the great fights. Do you feel like you are ready for a John Jones? Now, like if they didn't call you fight him. Or would you like to get maybe one or two of those fights as you talked about longer to get you know, to learn more about yourself go into the third round things. Like that before you fight someone quite like him. Of course, I'm gerrad for John's, but I wanna be more residents. I I need more space is more fights have more people in my my from front of me like this. If this them like my head, though are the guys I think my diamond I waits. No, probably but Morad for him. But I need more fall five three five mafia them possible. Okay. And I we bought more more rats for him. Do you think John Jones is as good as he once was you know, he went the distance with Anthony Smith a lot of people didn't think that he would go the distance that you'd finish. The fight in the first or second relic. You feel like this is kind of the the best time to fight him that he's not as invincible as he once was. Yeah. I think I think the new generation coming to know, and he Stein he's time is going to be over them on because they did the old the old coming. Yeah. And they knew is have little bit more strong them all the times difference. Sure. But I think he can give her a good. You have any problem fighting? Let's say Tiago Santos wins the belt you have a problem. Fighting fellow Brazilian. No, no problem. No problem. You just doing your thing. You're just a happy, man. I can't believe I want to go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. I don't want to fight for. I wanna give more than five two and similar allegations. I need to train. I I want to come back to train my dietary teen I'm so excited. I can't believe that you are smiling on the way out. You can move your your arm. You're still smiling. I was wondering. Okay, now, finally, we're gonna see Johnny Walker upset we're gonna see him frowning. But you still small you're still happy. It's unbelievable. If Brooke Miami, my leg, I'm still happy. I do what I love the. No. And I know it can do more this, and I need to little bit time to her recorded 'em read again to to do what I love. Okay. Do you think? So what do you think it's going to say when you go to the doctor like do you have a feeling you think dislocated what what do you think? Disor? What is your expectation is located? You might my muscles like located my son. They cough the plan. But I don't know how he come back alone. I feel like little straps like that tech and combat the. Oh, yeah. Only need to tear appear and check house the beds, get going did someone put it back in place backstage or did it just go back in place back on while? How that's amazing. Well, that's the that's the only negative thing that we could say about what happened to you on Saturday. What again nothing? Nothing's negative. Nice show me. I have to take care of my celebration. Sure. We're gonna private comments you to teach me something. That's right. The life is a big school lesson. Right. So now, you know, maybe we need to practice the worm a little bit. I will. Okay. Johnny. Congratulations to you. I hope that the doctor. Visit goes, okay. And it's not too serious. And it's amazing. What you've done in a short amount of time. Enjoy it. And thank you again for coming on the show. It's great to have you think appreciate it. God bless you take care. All right. Same to you. Well, what a great guy that Johnny Walker is always smiling. Always happy. I was I was seriously wondering, and you know, curious as to whether or not he would be in pain as he left. No, he wasn't frowning. He wasn't upset hit the pain probably wasn't paying but didn't show to the world still smiling with that big smile, infectious smile. What a great character. And it's amazing to see what he's done thus far in his UC career again a second straight less than sixty second victory. Third straight performance bonus. All right. Let's move along on Friday. The you have C held a press conference in Las Vegas to promote. You have to thirty six that goes down April thirteenth in Atlanta, Georgia hotlanta, and the main event, of course, is max Holloway versus dust Emporia for the interim lightweight title rematch of a fight that happened at U of C one forty three seven years ago. Now, we are being joined by the great max Holloway, the reigning defending you see featherweight champion kind enough to give some time on the phone max. How are you? I'm good. How you doing? He's on live. It stuffy sick. Right. I am. Sick. Yeah. I'm trying to power them. Let you. It's good to talk to you max, thank you for doing this and good to see you out there in Las Vegas. So this fight is one that I think a lot of people are excited about and I'm just wondering from your perspective. Did this catch you off guard? You know, even the Ferguson stuff they were trying to put you in a lightweight terrified. Did you think that your next fight would be lightweight or is this is this a little surprising that you're not fighting one forty five in your next fight? See the they're gonna do what they want to do. I had no idea. You know? I I woke up off a serious. I woke up one day. And you know, there's a talk about me, and Tony and next thing. I know my managers hitting me up and was very odd that the Tony talks to serious. I got an Email saying argh, I said check, my I got a text saying check my Email. Check my aim on that had his they wanna contract. So it was a bunch of a bunch of wild stuff. But in I wouldn't be it wouldn't be fun. If wasn't wild. You know, you got to enjoy the ride in. And I'm just does Tony. Would you give a reason or do? You know, the reason why Tony Ferguson isn't fighting on April thirteenth. I I don't know. I don't know, you know, after my last data like I said, he he tweeted me, you know, he tweeted me and said if Colby was ready to go, you know, you love to run and as I was excited like, oh, that's cool. You know, when I heard all these talks is going to happen. It's gonna happen. And then you know, I heard that he turned on the fight. But you're not then a day. Totally turned Vegas type of due to to win ten interim titles. He melted down to make one big ultimate title. You're not that guy works hard for everything ever ever or want. It, you know, in the UFC he do served any everything everyone. You know, he stood takes picture what his belt and stuff, and and deserving soul. I believe I think that's what he should do. You know, he worked hard for that, you know. But then I don't know what what it is to people saying that he's ducking fights and stuff that kind of blows my mind. You know, I always showed up. It was fight. You know, he had some bad injuries. We don't know what personally and behind the scenes, we don't know what could be a family issue. Could be a an injury issue. We don't know, you know, he tweeted to after the fight that he took some unnecessary damage in his last fight or whatever. So we don't know you not got nothing but purse for the guy I hope I'd be I will be backing all we saw. We saw this off some stuff out in if they pertain we can talk. We can talk more. We see we see what's on the table. You know, he's wanting to guys like I said he's on a best guys on world. A lot of things the best world will will almost on the same wintry UFC. So I love to compete against the guy tried to reach out to him as well and get him on the show. But right now, they said he's not talking. So I agree with you. It'd be nice to hear his side of the story before we we blast the guy for for not taking this fight. Is there a part of you max considering the history with Dustin that got really excited about running this one back you you came in? There is such a young kid debut short notice. He he beat you. He finished you does this site. You forget about the title. But just the fact that you're able to show the world just how much better you are from seven years ago. Does that is that like the most intriguing part of the fight for you in many respects? You know, it's always good. You know, again one back. He he he got he got an on my record from the man. So I is nightmare. Now is as learning sessions up. I learned a lot. After that fight. I can't wait to do it. You know, it's it's not even only died itself. It's what he did in that amount of time. You know, how much former champions he beat the streak. He's in one of the stock is division. So I'm excited to compete against him. Again, you know, meet him know that you know, what happened seven years seven years. You know, we had that seven years there off long steer all five on Friday. Like you said, so it's fun. You know, I can't I can't wait to step in with that guy. He knows one of the best in the world right now. Everybody believes it. So and he has some some great wins over some great champion. So former champion so I can't I can only step in there with him. So we have had some double champions in the you have see. Now, we have Amanda Nunez, and we had Dana Cormie convert Gregor. Of course, you win this built on April thirteenth while you feel like a double champion or because it's interim will and not feel the same. I'd be I'll be the first champ. I Champa I guess that's what you asked about. It is like I said, you know, I'm just joking aside. You know, rush won't even know how much bus ie guy. You know? I'll put it in the closet those bibles in Cohen after done fighting over. Now, we gotta go. So, you know, whatever people wanna call me, they can call me this this other fight. And all like, I said it simple. I actually have seen for toughest fight. And then they send contracts, and I send them back. So, you know, this is one one more fight on the in the record books. I can't wait to prove to the world where I'm one of the best. What are the chances of you staying at one fifty five saying, this is a great way cut? I don't wanna I don't wanna kill myself anymore going down to forty five. I love it up here. Is there a possibility that that happens? We see, you know, we see favor to attain in our like, I said, I told you guys, I'm defending reigning champion. And when someone lead the throne on hiatus in August when people try to come in. So you know, there's a lot. Contenders down there, you know. And we'll see what happens, you know. Like, I said, Frankie and Jose. They don't they don't deserve that. They don't deserve a chance that's going to be out for for euro sold. Whatever we've got more contenders coming up. So after Patino figure it out for sure, but you know, I'd love to be the first guy to be defending belts simultaneously. That's one of my goals and improve that'd be the best in the world. If I'm able to do that, Frankie an and his team, I should say seem a little upset that they're not fighting next was that ever discussed was that ever brought to you that you not. I don't know what was brought up to to our side or whatever. But only talks I had was was Tony on like, I said, we got the Email saying it was Dustin. So it's quite confusing. You know, you know, how names get thrown around and this and that, but the names that only got to me and my team was Tony. So that's all we went from New Mexico to say, I'm so impressed with you as a champion as a fighter how much you've grown. But in the past few months your social media game. What is going on? What is the secret behind this? I mean, every tw-. Heat is just is just a smashing success. It's always on point Instagram the photos the Mark hunt. One was great the Tony. Where's this coming? Whereas you are always good. But if I if I being honest, you've reached like you reach like goat like status on social media. These days where it's coming from. Can you tell me can you enlighten? A you're not. I, you know, like, you said, you know, these fight these guys they only they only know you when you when you talked about, you know, when you fight. So I gotta keep reminding people like, look, I'm not fighting. But as you guys gonna come true with with regular stuff, we come up with with original stuff. I not wanna be a guy reposting stuff. Whatever you not want to be a guy that comes up with original thing regional content as doing you know, I sat down my team. You know, we wanted to attack this different way, and we're doing and and I think we've been a pretty good job. Like, you said pretty good. Holy moly. You are killing it. And as you know, I have been bothering you for well over a month to come on this program because and I and I gave you good blowing praise about this on all platforms. But now, I get a chance to ask you about it. So in late January you travel to Dublin, and you're putting out some of the finest social media that I've ever seen seemed as you're trying to bait Conor McGregor from being as blunt as possible into a fight. We're looking at you now at the Jameson distillery. He went to Croke park. You're all over the place. Can you tell me why you went to Dublin was it solely for these for these photos to to bait them tells the story? I haven't heard you talk about it. Please lighten me. We also went to the cliff of mohair was I is a beautiful placement. At city is beautiful enough. I like you said, you're not competitive me here. The guys competitor is all we we're going to be taking jabs each other forever and ever I think all along as we in this game. And who knows you know, the type of dude he might show up it might show up in Hawaii one day. You know, he might be right now, it might take a picture of him on the beach or something. So it is it is, you know, we drive back and forth and and things happen. This is this fun fun game. It's good to the job back before. Like that. Did you see Connor? Did you run into him? Did you talk to them while you are in Dublin? I did not see oh run into him or talk to him at all. When I when resolved every day and get always enjoyed the enjoying a bunch of places all the. Everywhere. Every place took good care of me. They told me the history about it. And it's very intriguing being up there. You know, you know, hopefully one day the fight over park is huge. I I didn't learn that coke park. They did in our they fill out that they Philip that stadium with amateurs, they do this amateur sport where it's like cities to cities and towns, Tom's in is kind of crazy. It's kind of easing the the stores that you you you hear over there. Okay. And so when you were, you know, on the streets of Dublin once the started to get out there where people saying to he has a lot of passionate loyal fans. Did you feel the warm welcome? Were you getting heckled? What was it like for you? I was getting my love to be honest in on people start very like. Oh, man. You know, they wanted to see me fight fight Carter. And I say well, not why not fighting here. You know? And there's all for also the fans over there. Nice fans United Jimmy very well. Okay. What about that line? Not not a watered-down trend. I mean, what the subtle shots in a whole other level, you you're now involved in the whiskey war here. It's crazy. Right now, we're not we're not here to talk about endorsements. That's not. So are are you are you being sponsored by them or Jameson onboard the blessed express. A everything you move. We like, you know, real g's move in. Silence donya. So we keep you guys waiting on that one. Okay. For enough. Are you disappointed? You didn't get the Connor fight. Are you disappointed that he didn't even respond to you? I I haven't seen him actually publicly. I've seen him tweet a lot lately. But he didn't address you are you disappointed Now Dan day, you know, the famous line. It is what it is. Oh, we got we got a tough fight with us in in dozen poor air, and that's my focus. Now. You know, we got six weeks. All like, I said, they thirteen we cannot ask a lot of things with the UFC and figure out what's net. Okay. You're going to say maybe get a new contract after this one, right? Because you do you had won a couple of weeks ago? Yeah. Maybe we see we don't know. You know? I I don't know what's going on you know, after this. I'm just happy. I'm here. I can't wait to show. You know, this is one of those fights that I get to go out there and show a world on be like, look, I'm one of the best guys in the world. And I'm gonna keep on doing it. You know? I like, I told I told you man bread. You know, I was like I was like look in the when it's all said, Don when my fighting creates done when people look at my record in the history books, and they see my record. And they see these guys that beat I want I want. Oh, this guy he wo he'd be this guy won a lot of woes. And a lot of did he beat this guy on kind of thing? So that's what I'm striving for and also nice that they're they're sending you to warm location. This time for minute. I know it's April. But Atlanta, April sounds a little better than Toronto in December. I got love for the dot. But this has got to be nice. Yeah. I gotta be nice. I got nothing. But love of the tent island. You know that? And you know, he's great to be Atlanta. You know, they say east coast. We're making way back down to the west coast, though. So I'm excitement I can't wait. Anyway, we fight United. It is what it is. They're gonna put us what they want. Put us, but I I'm just type of opportunity like you said anymore movement on that front. The Hawaii front anything to share? You best believe if you walk around walkaway when a w this one I'm gonna start scheming. You'll see a why make sure it's on the Senate to you guys. Visit us at ESPN do something 'cause we need this fight to happen. We need to say why I gotta come home. You'll see come on Dana. And by the way, max last last you were very open about, you know, the the stuff that you talked about, you know, personal problems depression things like that how how's life? Now, you got the win under your belt, you moved on. Are you feeling better? Does that stuff creep up? I know the most successful people in the world deal with things like that. How are you doing? Now. I feel great. I still good. You know, the the fighting stuff help not coming are coming out with and talking and helping we got a bunch of fans and people just reaching out to me. And and talking a lot I feel better. I'm in a way better place in I heard my met. I heard my man of Germany was talked a little bit. You know, I'm glad that he found some help. And he and he figured it out. You know, God bless him. And his family are without long story short. Nobody will didn't really know. But you know, I kind kinda got picked up by the UFC end and management because because the because Germany always great great family, man. And I'm I'm doing good, and I'm happy. He's doing good. I talk about it. And is this amazing? What does that story about? Jeremy I have never heard that one before, you know, the first thing that got you know, that the whole dozen poor air thing came came to twin because the Germany and I lived in Germany for six weeks his game ready for for what's his name. Anthony Pettis they flew me into a mimic, I'm Pettus. So it was funny. I came food circle. But yeah, he flew me. And I lived on for six six weeks hours. When I was only four, bro. He did this YouTube videos weekly all the time. And that's how I got I found by my management, and then after that I got found after that. I got to see. So you know, I I was always thankful for that guy. Always always grateful for him. You know and his him and his family was always in my prayers when I heard something tough like that. You know, it's it's kinda crazy. But you know, I'm glad he pushed her it. I'm glad his cO choked him, and is good to hear, you know, great stories, and it's probably something that's a lot more common than than we may think in the fight game. Right going through emotions like that. After a tough loss. Oh, yeah. For sure you're not. Any anything in in life? You know, especially these fights, you know, now, you add social media people think they know how to do stuff in whatever it is a very hard time to be a professional period, you know, at at any level, you know, even even being a regular person level social media's wild in a lot of people think so they gotta do stuff on their own. You know, you don't have to you know, this look we we work better teams. All yeah. Yeah. You like being alone here and there, but remember people's always there to help you max, you seem to have genuine love and respect for Josie Aldo despite the two fights I thought it was really nice when you tweeted about him after his last victory where does that admiration come from? The dude is the lewd is king. Real man that that the watching him fight growing up when all sixteen. Here's the guy inspired to be. Here's the I like in all kick multi fighter doing it. And at at meeting everybody else's wrestlers grapplers is like the first record to actually be doing this things. And I know he had a jitsu background. But it was like that that first brawl embroil guy that I respect it. And you know, you kick elbows knees everything. So he when I was sixteen like, I say, it was Joey is my favorite fighter. Dude stood is my fair fight. He's the man I love his I love him. Love esteem, loved the way the all loyalty. Charter I love everything the way the guy moves. So I got nothing but respect for guy not day. If we're gonna find the third time, we're gonna fight a third time. It is what it is. But I'm always gonna have love and respect. But I do. He inspired me. And a lot of ways last thing for you. Max you posted a really nice thing. I thought when George saint-pierre retired. And it's crazy how it all comes. I don't know if you were trying to to tip us off that you gonna fight poor ya, but you apparently met George Saint Pierre. That I did that was just funny as what I meant. That's the first time I met, George saint-pierre and Anderson Silva was on that day, well media or something. So I took a picture, you know, and he was great. You know, he was on the grade school like I said everybody top. So I need Russia after him. But I didn't you know. But, but like I said in there, you know, I look up, and I I like the way he moved to and stuff where he do his business and his personal life and so on and so on so, you know, he he affects Russian many ways to but I didn't get the name phone. But yeah, that's the first time. I've met him. You have C one forty three. There was in does invade those being media and stuff and met him at Anderson. So it was pretty crazy to meet them off. Like my first day. I get to see all this superstars in ourselves. It was cool. Was that after you lost? Or before was. I was right. Was before was before. It was the week was a all the media own up to it. Dude. You dude, you remember even asking them for any advice or anything like that? Or were you just kind of starstruck? You're so young. I thought the joy saint-pierre little bit. I remember acting them. All I was at you know, is cool in and I remember him telling me just Commodore Actimel. What would you say to someone making the debut, and he told me to stay calm, stay focused. You know? And and you know, what you train so just go there and show show people's that's what's stopping me for a while. Another great social media post by you. If you have a ghost writer or something max, but holy mol-. You are just killing it on Instagram into it. I'm hate to say, but it's just it's like every single post is just more perfect than the next. It's amazing. It really is that you've armor blessing all max, great stuff in great outfit, by the way on Fridays. I think both of you. I think you you really showed up the other guys as far as the outfits were concerned. It was a nice. It was a nice looking stare down. If I may say, so I'm looking forward back out there in Atlanta on April thirteenth. Thank you for doing this max, I really appreciate it. You too, man. Aero get better mango, drink some tea and some Honey better. Thank you max law the best to there. He is my hollow to max Holloway, the featherweight champion of you have see what a great post was from from him. I can read it here. Because I thought his words were really nice. He had a post when was it. February twenty-second him injured Saint Pierre. This was my first you have see fight. It was against Dustin Pori, my career started by being finished becoming champion was not easy for me. But the instructions were clear had just keep beating the guy in front of me after ten wins in a row, I got my title shot. But when I became champion. There were no instructions on what to do next had to figure out what it meant to me how to represent my team in my community how to express my values as a martial artist. How to be a good father to my son while trying to entertain fans, I'm still figuring out every day. But I looked to GOP to create a blueprint for myself on the martial artist. I would be many. People think I named my son rush after GSP I didn't. But rush watches everything. I do so GOP's influence is there every day. Thank you p from me and rush with the Canadian flag emoji and he posted it on his Instagram back on February second, I do believe that was the day that George appear officially announced his retirement. So that was class stuff from max hallway that's going to be the main event on April thirteenth next to see pay per view. And then of course, you have see two thirty six will also be co headlined by Kelvin gasoline versus not to knock those guys because I thought gasoline look good as well. And I really like the shorts. One is right Asana that he was rocking on Friday. Ooh. Look at this. We have a nice little full screen, but the official music to how corporate Jake really upping his game. There's the lineup thirteenth state farm arena. In fact, last time, you'll see was there was one time Willie became welterweight champion other fights of note, Eric enders against Khalil Roundtree. That's at light heavyweight flyweight bout between Wilson Hayes and Alexander on Toha. Yes. The fly with your so round Mantell Jackson against Andrei Sukhum Todd as well. You have see announced a bunch of dates. Over the weekend the going to Stockholm on June first going to Greenville, South Carolina. They're going to Rochester on may teeth. And I reported I think it was last week that they were talking to Kevin Lee about fighting Gregor Gillespie would make all the sense in the world in my opinion to have the Gregor Gillespie fight in Rochester. He is from upstate New York. So I would circle that date as a potential for that fight. They sensually laid out the entire I first half of the year up until its national fight week and interesting to note that there's no Friday event because there's no alternate fighter going down in the first half. They still continue to talk about perhaps doing it online or on a different platform. But usually it's rational fight week has had the Friday Saturday thing this time, it doesn't appear as though there is the Friday event. So we were supposed to have ally Quinta on right now. But unfortunately, I was told that he has some personal matters to attend. So, unfortunately, no ally Quinta this week always gracious always great with his time. Certainly don't think it's anything personal. But when he tells me that he has something that he needs to do. I believe it, and I will not fight it. So we'll be joined by ally. Quinta at a later date curious to hear where he fits into the lightweight picture, of course. Because at the press conference on Friday, Dana white said that it seemed like they were gonna move away from the Sironi McGregor fight, and we're talking about Sironi versus AIA Quinta. Although I did reach out I quit moments later. That afternoon. He told me knowing how to produce them about that. I don't think that he would be against it. But no one approach doesn't seem like that's really far in the negotiations. Smyrna doesn't seem like the type type care about this sort of thing. Although he does really seem adamant I mean in all my years of covering Donald journey, and can I just say one more time like like for for a final time. Like, these people online are trying to create some issue between their only nine he may not like me anymore. He may be mad at me. And that's his prerogative, certainly. It's it's not news worthy. For me. This is par for the course. But I just want to say that I've no issues with this, man. I've yet most respect if you go back and listen to what I said one last time I was giving him props. I was saying you are the winning his fight on UCS three you call the shots. You're the man I've always been told fake it like you make it right or until you make it something like that. You know, you walk in there with your chest puffed out you walk in there acting like the man. Do that sort of thing you call the shots. You set the tone. You set the rules. That's all I was trying to say everyone trying to you Donald Rony, relax. So funny. I get labeled as the instigator all of you are the instigators. You're all the troublemakers. Not me. I'm just a peaceful guy hanging back trying to do my thing. You're all the ones who are making all the trouble. That's right. I said it how Vitor Belfort signing with one last week. I was at the media vent Thursday night at extreme Petur. Great to be back at extreme Cadore. I've not been there in quite some time. Maybe like ten years. I remember one time doing an interview force Griffin there, and he kept actually that interview was what sort of changed my career forever? I went to extreme Petur. I was there for you have see ninety eight and this is my happy warrior fan because I'm a little under the weather. So I'd like to fend myself you have see ninety eight I was there. And that's when I was not credentialed. You have see events. Why would go to the location, but I wouldn't go to the actual vet. But I would take the trip as an opportunity to go to local gyms. So I went to extreme Petur would hang out there for hours out interview, all the fighters and interviewed Forrest Griffin. Who at that point? Was he gonna fight? No. He had already fought. Yeah. He had already been champion lost the belt. Anyway, he was obviously a big big deal in the sport. He's a big name. And he kept like touching my shoulder. And he kept like pushing me and nudging me. And I remember the interview is posted on Emma, mania dot com. And I remember reading the comments after it was posted. And I was just completely roasted. I mean, I was killed. I was murdered by the comments calling me awkward calling me, you know, the worst. So I mean, like, you know, what is it nineteen? What was that two thousand and? Eleven made no two thousand eight two to ten or so years later, you know, it's all the same. But I was just killed. And I remember feeling so down that day that was the first time that I really got you know, got killed. I was kind of new to the whole video interviewing thing. And it was that interview that kind of changed everything for me. 'cause I read the commonsense myself, I can't put that much stock into these comments anymore. This is just gonna this is going to crumble me. I mean, I am going to be a shell of myself. If I continue to read this it, really messes with your mind, and it was that day that I went to do the media day at the alita event in New York City, and that's when I saw Gina carano. And she kind of made a joke about how awkward I was. And that's when I decided, you know, what I'm going to stop listening to everyone. And I'm just going to be me. Maybe I'm trying too hard here. And that interviews online. That's why I've always held in high regard. Because I think she kind of made me realize that you don't have to try so hard just be yourself. And if people like it they like. And if they don't well the hell with them. So anyway, being back at extreme Petur kind of brought back those memories, it was cool to be at a one championship event. I never been to a one championship event of any kind that Alvarez. They're Dmitri's Johnson. Rich Franklin Tate. They also had Vitor Belfort. Their sage was supposed to be there. Sage north gut. But he wasn't anyway, nnounced Vitor. He talked about signing. He talked about wanting to fight Roy Jones, and they sort of dirty boxing match, which was interesting. And now, it seems like Roy's interested because he's responded on social media. And he posted a video saying I'm down you're gonna call me out down. So it looks like they're going to try to make that happen. There's been some talks behind the scenes veto buffer versus Roy Jones. He still nursing his surgically repaired shoulder. So we'll see if it all comes to fruition. But that happened and speaking of legends. I also wanna mention as we have this this brief intermission here. I wanna mention that miracle CRO cop retired on Thursday Friday Friday morning, our time, he did a interview at a local Croatian television station now that he suffered a stroke last Monday few days after his win over ROY Nelson Belle tour, suffered a stroke said it wasn't anything that happened in the fight with ROY that led him suffering a stroke. He's actually battling a neck injury. And it was bothering him for quite some time. Something happened had to be rushed to the. Spital was told by doctors that if you take some other punch to the head. It might be fatal. So thank God. Nothing happened to that fate against ROY Nelson. But at forty four years young great miracle CRO cop. Former k one champion the former pride open way champion the rise in open way champion one of the most lethal strikers in the history of this game left leg cemetery right leg hospital was the right leg hospital left. Like cemetery was a right leg cemetery left light hospital. Whatever the case says my head is spinning you know, what I'm talking about. He was knocking people out left, and right, including the great those cars junior. And at that point. I mean, he was one of my favorites. There was no one more intimidating. Who like actually made me nervous like the sight of you. Remember that video with him and moral Allah where where he prank moral more was interviewing him backstage for pride and he prank them as he was preparing to fight Ron Waterman. I mean that just you go back and watch how moral looked how uncomfortable. He was how anxious he was around miracle. Grow up that gives you a small taste of just how intimidating that men was the Croatian sensation. Miracle philipovich end of an era with him retiring. Certainly wish him the best. And it's always been great to have him on the show. He has this sort of like blunt eastern European. The livery, and I've always liked. I've always liked talked about he's always been dating back to before. I was covering the sport for a living always one of my favorite fighters and sad to see him go. But I think it's the right time for him to go. And obviously wish him the best and hope that he doesn't suffer. Any more strokes and is half how happy and healthy in retirement. All right. Also of note page does not fighting anytime soon, she broke her arm. Unfortunately, she has a fracture in her arm. She posted that on social media. So. There were some reports that she was gonna fight at UFC two thirty six those aren't happening any time soon. All right matter moments. We're going to be joined by I do believe coach. Mike winkle John head striking coach for one. John Jones also gonna be joined by another one of John Jones coaches, Brandon Gibson in a minute as well. So it's going to be interesting to hear their perspectives on what happened Saturday with John Jones retaining his title gets apnea Smith another dominant decision win. I know some people thought that John should've finished Anthony early but avenue as tough as they come. I think he gained a lot of fans and continuing to fight not giving up after the fourth round. And now we wonder what is next for John Jones who said that he wanted to be active who said that he wanted to get right back in there who doesn't appear to have suffered any serious injuries in the fight. It seems like the most logical choice would be geography Santos who's coming off that great win over yon- Bajo. It's in Prague. That's the fight. I want to see I think that's the the fight that makes the most sense next. And and if John is willing run a back as soon as possible. Let us talk to our next guest about that. And a whole lot more. He joins us right now via FaceTime note. He's not joining us right now. We're gonna talk to Mike wiggle John about that later on in the program, by the way, we're going to be joined by Tyron Woodley. Diego Sanchez MacKenzie Dern and many others. Now, let's go to FaceTime and say Hello to coach Mike winkle. John coach, Wayne, how are you? I'm good. How are you doing? Really? Well, thanks for doing this a little early. I appreciate it very much. Congratulations on the win. Can you assess John's performance for us? What did you what did you think of it on Saturday? You know, it was pretty good. You know, what John wasn't a tough nut in that? Anthony was constantly holding on and trying to survive, but John Menachem five picked apart control, the action everywhere and shoot everybody. Why he is as good as years. It seemed like the team. Was confident that he'd be able to finish. Anthony, why do you think he was unable to do? So. What a one you is on the ground. He his two hands on one always and they made Harper John to to gaining submissions. Do things accurate wasn't willing to open up. But the same time that's kind of scary because. Is soon as soon as releases? He's looking for that big shot. He's always been that kind of fighter that to survive for while in combat with something big. So it is what it is Anthony decide to fight that way and gets the rounds and put us in that predicament that we couldn't finish them. Okay. What are you thinking in the fourth round when he landed that legal knee? What's going through your mind? Not again, you remind you about bear the that situation where you don't want to lose a fight. Because stupid. I think John body was coming up in fact when I looked at it. One period. I saw online he was come up. We still had the one hand on the ground. It happens. Thank goodness. Anthony's tough is years and decided to continue fighting and didn't if fake that he was hurt really bad from it. Because a lot of people could have less remained could take that out. And thank God empty Smith. Several water. Yeah. Were you worried about that? I mean, he would have lost the belt, right? He would have lost the belt of took that Q. Yeah. I think that would happen that way would have been a shame would have have remarked. But the it out that would be terrible. That would stop. There's no doubt about that. Did you guys talk to John afterwards about why that legal and to China? I mean, not everyone is as honorable as Anthony, as you know, a lot of people I think would have taken that have you talked to him about why he did that. And try not to do it again. Why did that he was in the moment? I don't need to talk to him about it. He he's reacting. He's fighting. He thinks he's gonna throw a knee. John knows that when you handed down like that two hands a lot of places now one hand on the rules kinda stupid confusing. They can't get together on or that being said he's in the moment. So I don't ask them or tell him why to legal he knows okay in California. That's actually a legal shot. Do you find that this is leading to confusion among his last night was in California. I don't know if that was going through his mind at all. But it's kind of crazy that in different states. There's different rules. Now. This is a lot to ask of these fighters. I think. Yeah. It is what it is. Confusing. That being said he was just I think John was coming up doing have both hands off the ground. And it just happened played out that way situates like that suck to no doubt about it. We don't want that to happen. Again. We have to think about it and saying control, but hey, we win the title. No problem. Absolutely. He has talked about wanting to be active this year. After filing this going the distance a little shorter than the Gus fight. Does he still want to be active like you want to see him get right back in there? A couple months later as you said going into this fight. We'll sit down this week the team where everybody Greg myself Brandon in is in Tucson and have talked to John fund that what he wants to do we want to support ROY wants to do when financed is not burn himself out mystery prepare Mishra's, he's fired up for I love it when he's in camp. But the same time I don't wanna get complacent in that train as hard as he does when he's on fire. So it's one of the things that will sit down and talk about it in whatever wants to do have you noticed the difference in John? I mean, I thought he was so comfortable in front of the media last week. He seems to be at peace with everything with his place in the sport with the comeback being active. Does he seem like a different guy to you behind the scenes, and if so could you explain how? I think he's come to terms with the drug type testing type of things you've gone through some hard year, his mom, you know, hurt her leg being amputated, her mom, his mom passed away his Taliban strip of him for picograms of which define each reference ranges on it. So he's come to terms with understand that that's done. That's over with now goes forward, and you're going to hate John Jones. You hate John Jones. But yet love his greatness, and hugged us fighter. He does. So many good things for people behind the scenes, and I think he's happy himself right now. We'll worries at on his journey to continue being the best of all time. When you guys down on Thursday about these two drug tests. Did you sense a deflation among the team among John Jones where you worry that? It was gonna be deja vu all over again. No. Because we're talking about these these things come up these picograms there so spotted I I'm thinking, you know, something your environment is so small that he's touched in in. It's gonna stay in their in your system. Forever end. They need look at these things things don't give you any advantage. Everybody's gonna start picking up on these things because there's so many things out there in our virement people touch. All of a sudden, I you know, type somebody skin by accident. Now, you your test positive for drug the rest of your life. So it's kind of a little goofy. And I think figuring out that that Manu amount can picked up main different ways seems like next in line for John could potentially may be TI goes Santos. He's looked very good. He's on a winning streak. Do you like that matchup? Are you interested in that matchup? I we instant that matchup. I don't talk with John. We haven't talked about yet. But kids explosive, you know, he comes he comes. He comes in guns blazing. You could be exciting fight, you know, John have to settle down a little bit and put him in his place. But there's no doubt that young man. Very talented on his way. Cormie thing is still lingering as well. Although seems to have been put on ice a little bit. You have any interest in John fighting Cormie again. Jobs to do. So John John be more than happy to you know, do to third time and same outcome. The second time, I think John finishes him headway or light-heavyweight whichever it is. But it's things that mobile John Janis motivation to trae card at high level and in a fire up actually push himself more in fights. And what about have you because on Saturday night? He talked about the less ner fight. But I don't think it seems like a permanent move or run for the belt that heavyweight is something that is of great interest to them right now. Do you wanna see him before? It's all said and done fight as a heavyweight and to make a run at the title before. Also dente would love to have make run at it right now like seems clean house lightweight division. John does not have a hard time make weight he's not a giant giant guy. So heavyweight would take time hula wait on and at angle do it. Right. But I think he dominant heavyweight division as well. And continued. Legacy. Because things are going so well at two five why would you love to see him fight at heavyweight? What what interests you in? That regard. The the greatness of just show everybody how good John Jones is that he can win in both both dominate noxious wind dominate in both divisions. And I believe in John j-o-h-n abilities. Do these great things in the cage and believe in John's ability to do great things outside the cage later in his life. Where you and forgive me for not remembering my mind is little hazier were you and Diego's corner as well on Saturday. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. What is going on their houses happening? I mean who thought in twenty nineteen that he'd still be around not only still around beating guys ten years younger than him on a winning streak. How do you explain what's happening to Daego Sanchez? Well, you know, he's he's he's motivated. He had he was a clean life. I mean, he really does. He he so help these do yoga. He's stretched all time is all we're doing best things for his body. It's his daughter that motivates him to high level and diggers grinder. He gets in there, and he's gonna scramble forever on the ground. He's relentless hukou. Was that that he was the first opened fire show? He's still here just to excite fans and just grounded pound dominating people scrambled on the ground. So it was fantastic. It shows a lot what Diego Sanchez can do. Great Jackson and a Chad Smith's ability to go the wrestling in the ground pound and just control that fight. It was tasked to watch. If I were told you years ago that he'd still be around winning doing what he's doing to the youngsters would you believe me? Or did you think that things would end a little sooner for Diego the way his path was going? A couple years ago. I wouldn't believe you, you know, five years ago, I wouldn't have. But what I've seen the last of the last couple of years is this the ago pushing he's constantly thinking he's he's back. He's in a pushback in seem Jim all time working hard. So I'm a believer in dagoes ashes in just a that was incredible. It was just so exciting. He's so well loved at our gym. He he's just that guy. It's always up helping others behind the scenes he helps out kids with special needs and swimming in crumble things he deserves all the credit and all this achieved and were supposed to have three fighters on this card coaches also have Holly home what happened there. Could you? Explain to us what happened because now it seems like the newness fight isn't even happening at a later date. You know, what we're trained to fight to Aspen Ladd and looking pretty good excited about that fight. Also got phone calls. Hey, you're not on it. We will put together this manner. Nudist fight in Brazil negotiations didn't work out well for the police department with that, but they wouldn't. Let us still fight Aspen lab. And then we try to put it back. We went put back together. I think aspirin I think she Kim down with something in sometimes it happily vice cranking hard Nelson you that little bit of let down so that happened. So we were without a fight and we still scheduled, but we'd love vita Mariners from title for home for. I think for the with see idolize what man to do. So I'm looking forward to it. I think the fans are gonna start demanding it. It's gonna be exciting fight. If anybody has a style demand of nuno's, that'd be hard home. As of right now, though, not booked, correct? Not booked no not booked, but we're hoping all right? Congratulations on a great weekend. Coach what a what a what a scene was for your gym. And all of a sudden, perhaps the demise of Jackson, wink, was greatly exaggerated. Because it seems like you guys are on quite the role these days. So congratulations to you in the team, given exaggerated don't believe Irving Reed. And we're doing well. Thanks for having me. All right. As always there. He is coach. Mike winkle, John. Okay. It is a pleasure to be joined by our next guest. He competed on Saturday, as you know, it did not go his way, but he has a very busy day right now in New York, very proud day for him releasing his very first album, and he's always been a class act. He has always faced the music good or bad. He said he'd be on on Monday. And even though things goes way. He's on Monday vary. Is Woodley tiring? How're you? You know, I wanted to come in studio man, actually, wrapped up a little bit earlier sway in the morning drive. The album got done at known now like mass should I just don't listen to embrace my ass. Anyway, get that two o'clock in trying to get the security but nine of the game new, I appreciate it. And I appreciate your willingness. It's a long long drive, and I wanted to to not have to go through all of that. Because you're all the way New York right now first off let me just say thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. You're class act and. I didn't think you would because I didn't want to bother you. But it's it's great to talk to you. And I appreciate doing it in the car right now. So can we talk first about Saturday's that? All right. I mean, you can't you can't go out there. And we'll body has not allow descend the title so many times in the first time you face versus the first time, you lose you rod. That's not ever my style. You know, when also rang me now that lawsuit make the Mark where with Jake shoes, those pivotal moments canes me more than more than just a heartbreak of losing a belt that you work so hard for the platform that she was just, you know, willy generate in all the all the ways for everything that's coming up a life on my it didn't make sense for me. I didn't understand. I'm like I got an album dropping at that. I just thought that, you know, being the world champion was more just gives you a bigger platform. So guy guy works a mysterious ways who came out the game stuff to it. I just have one of those nights. Like I did against MacDonald man where I was just. Like, it wasn't catch heuristic tyrant used saying out. So must have to go wasn't going us, the backup more and I was back enough. Then I was just have conversations with myself on the light. Are you gonna let this do Bill, and it was just like it was just a badger? It was a nightmare freaking nightmare. No, no. I understand in the locker room that morning. Did you get the sense that something was off that you weren't yourself? No, I felt great not. So I don't have no skews from great. You know, obviously anytime I wait in the wintertime. It's not you know is not the best. That's why I got no kids people that miss weight because if you miss way, and I cut the much weight. I don't feel sorry for you. So every time I wait in the winter months is very difficult. So this one was our cut probably prior hardest but beyond this. Luckily for like a cold cars on the familiar with that still your whole body in their net down, and it gave me the reset button every time. So if I felt a little credit going into the wake I jumped in a call ROY showing in reset my body. So I can't really make an excuse. What happened? They just something. That would I get time. And I feel like washing the right now, I'm just on the big the to go watch the fight because I know it's not gonna look like myself. But when I get cable watching it and then watching the. Basically shell tyrant fight going Mason fatigues and get ready to rack Branka role. 'cause we gotta do it again, though. I came into this old dig by your same year when he lost a mess. Terry Lawson that Hughes he came back into visuals losses in. That's what may in the candidate. He was I guess Scott's plan for me apple back in on the path of the diction did anything that that Kamara did in the fight. Maybe even his overall game his strength. I don't know that anything surprise. You about him. Another surprise me, man. I mean, the only person surprising octa guy was him. I could see that. He was way known the tire name watched on video explode. I use Wayne on a power, south way. Not me to go crazy stopping the side push it away and come before through other things. So I can see him kind of being a little bit surprised you say that the meaner and they once he recognized the damn main kinda offered him. He's not gonna come with what I saw him coming on on a video. Go after him. And you know, just I've always said this about tomorrow's mid his composure. Someone has not been in there with that Meany guys that have been worshipping or the caliber he really shows composure and he did that he sought to the game plan. He was focused got it done. So I never wanted to take away from somebody else performers. I get my chance to get that back then the fight back against him try to get their bell back, and that's what I'm focused on. But he set the record for most body shots landed in a UFC fight one ninety two. How much those affect your what you know, what at the time. Not that much right now, I let him off the Indian village. But you don't be honest when you in a position like that. You don't want to just show somebody her you would've body shop because if you can't think of me needed so he was hitting me to the body shots. But I think that was just more. If you look at his game plan. One of my guys helped me after this camera Tony on the team. He called me the Dan to fight tyrant. He's gonna try to pressure against the canes. He's gonna get you on the place. German Shaya take you down you're gonna work your body body body here. Whatever. He's not going to stand out opened insane. He's gonna try to long trying to keep you at bay. This his game. Are he's watching fighting stay Mark. Or he knows better close range of some guys. Did they wanna stripe with he didn't do that? Because when I asked him at the bigger, you wouldn't tell them because he recognized that it may not be the most sexy way to where the fight but the best way to put him in advantages. The not happy out open swing. It get in a rhythm punching and aided them. And so we gotta we gotta give with minutes prods. In hindsight. Is there any part of you that feels like you may be underestimated him because you always said, you know, he can't do he does everything that I do. But worse than me. There's nothing that. He does that concerns me. Right. You still for the same. For the same way. And that wasn't a anxious reality. No, you just reality that you wanna come to strike came comes wrestling comes to anything explosive in his strategy. I'm better at those days. I just into it that night, and then I veer away from what I said, I still mean, I still think that when I remember tomorrow's me when I get that in the tar in that we know is out there in Aachen on. I think we'll see what I'm saying. And this afraid this payback you fight because I'm not going to go back there and get a rematch against guy beat them. And then I give him a shot that did Remez back. Yeah. We might to run this in two or three times now with that. So no secret, and you, and you even talked about before this fight, you know, the the relationship that you've had with you of brass Dana white is there a part of you. That is worried that you won't get this rematch. Because of how at times it seemed contentious while you were champion that they won't want to grant you that, you know. Areola paper. I think is a no brainer. So you look at Ronda Rousey who who loss, and she went are was for several years came back, and Jim Ryan so side of the shy. You look at you know, you know, kinda McGregor who boxed in head fog since says, New York and comes back and nearly to. I mean, these guys you compare myself to the amount of draw, and but a fighter like your Llano got knocked out parents for by rolls. No controversy. No decision. She was initially granted a rematch show was Cody Garbrandt in the looks sound like T J dillashaw is going to get a rematch him widow. So for fighter resolved, the longest title, straight out of all active is I can't see how they wouldn't do it to be honest like we only allow Hobie beef to happen because we just allowed to have. I mean, it wasn't like he was the most Slattery fighter in the world. And I think that with him beating, you know, someone a lot of people thought it was the greatest welterweight about. Who's been beaten me? I think the situation where? Yeah, we should run that we should run it back at that set down somewhere with all he's been doing as you know, caused a hoopla Iraq is he'll still the same who've gone. Rutgers matter who fights and fight loose minute. I beat them. We gotta run a trilogy. If he happens to be me, then I got to come to grips, and you know, what maybe I didn't have a bad night. Maybe do better than in. I don't think that's the case. I think we ended up being so to be clear you want the rematch next. You want an immediate rematch. I spend a day. Oh, I say, you know, congratulations. My do. You went out you digital thing. No, shutouts you congratulations. Because he he actually a long time ago. He asked me how how did it feel to get that belt wrapped around me? He asked me to fill in the interacted better on. And you know, I remember asking Anthony Pederson same thing right before fought Robbie asking that question. In for me. Personally. It didn't feel the same way. Just because a lot of politics a lot of that went around there. But I text him. He has a DA reply back some three four hundred messages from winning the in the fight, but he's a respectful person. He'll he'll hit me back. But I told me, you know, I take honor and Matt's honor fighting took him under fight Ka-Shing to fight Robbie. I'll take honor fighting the guys at the best students beat me. Like, I still wonder if I were McDonnell again, the main I still if I shoot again, I just like someone found a way to beat me Email, even if I was off, and they were on whatever no matter, what tuition was I wanna go back and get that back. He's just just a legacy. Did you talk to anyone from the U of C afterwards about your desire? I need to you know, I I didn't need to that me that they know me they I talked the hundred little bit not gonna man, you know, lost hang just sit around and cry spilled milk in you know, I need to give back to my daughter's spa. So that's less less. That's talking. See what I need to do. My assumption is Ashi get a rematch against USA domain. I think Alabama fourth conversation a press conference booted back that you got a victory over me. I'm obviously not happy about it. I'm obviously not trying to go out like that. And you know, I think that's enough to compelling. Compelling matchup enough in job for rematch. So that's what I'm hoping what happened, but I get guys galled today. Tomorrow. I have heard people say you've got a lot going on in your life. You've got your album chaos theory that drop today you're an actor Hawaii five. Oh, did you spread yourself? Too thin. You know, what it's easy to say that, but you know, I prayed about this area to be honest, you know, from praying or something, but I filled spiritually that you just lost. Like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna apologize for being ARGUS on apologize for using every gift that guy gave me guy gave you gifts to us. Not to sit on. I can't sit on the gif of of of writing or music. Just because I gotta fight coming up. No, I use it as therapy. I use it a release are the thing in my life that I can minimize things that I'm giving energy to that. Maybe don't deserve. It is it, you know, maybe maybe one or two some of that could have not done that wasn't on album report like six hundred was not on album during the shrine account the five before I didn't report at all. But it was like torture. I was like one of my butcher myself. I loved him us. So I've always done a lot area of always on a lot of always rotation. I don't have any excuses. I told you that in the warm of I'm usually tell you what type of fight on. Have then in the back, you know on Romney cameras about four so sharp myself. So where I felt so you know, ready to fight I walked out so good. I felt good. When I looked cross octagon actually felt like he was, you know, nervous. He looked like he doing too much on the stand. And you know, that's kind of what I fell in. I really don't have no answers. You know me. I really don't have answers than I kinda figured out. What is shit? I mean, I've been here before the fact that you're album is dropping today, and you're doing a bunch of media about it. I think you had a party last night about it is that kind of a blessing that that maybe they some lesson. Like, I had I had I had after party shop on Vegas Red Eye LA idea something that dash radio. We did a really sparked me a release party at the private lives apart hit album. Then we jumped from that Red Eye back to New York. The now you're sway in the morning. Release advocate theory to double T Willie are sharing do. So it's a blessing in the size. I gotta push his album. Just 'cause it's not just me so much time in energy that went into it. But it would be so much doper. This even the word dropped his damn album big dropper, which though spill mean. I mean isn't tracks on I'm v Ned right right now. I got my. Right. This is something that you're proud of have how long have you dreamed of doing something like this dropping your own album? You know, I never really I love music and always free style. And you know, sometimes you take for granted thirty ten from you take for granted the gifts and things are Bility's actually have you don't really even think about it. You know, I never thought I was going to be a fighter. I was at Emma may coach news. I was arrested post or guys was getting taking down. I wrestled good and stop it. Then I got to the point where now I said let me give it a try. So I gave it a try and I end up in war champion, so anything that has anything tips. And I row after I go after the same onset, I would have to go. And that's why if Robbie I really got a lot of by you think about why do you think about what I've experienced I've been at highs in those right now experience, you know, may not the worst of my life. But it's best either, you know, experienced having a lot of spe. Has been vicar from a home. So you think about content is subject matter to rap about who tell me I can't rap by Tim Yati growth in further with him. I never been too big for the house which I never game. Number lived in the house that for him. People that sounds drugs. The real working treat like we can't tell me I didn't do that. That's what my music we sell a couple more minutes or do you have to go there? Okay. Okay. Because I saw you get out of the car. So I just wanted to to make sure where can people get the album, and you can get anything. That's digital though you serve heart space as two separate words arch angels ages floor limit album, miscast got C C H A K C H A S, look that baby. This fourteen tracks will actually have fight which is a portion of my Walker. Tried tita. Add that as a bonus track is appreciation, but anything digital I to a music Spotify title, anything that you get down on grab a crazy album it, and and I encourage anybody who has hesitation of me as an artist MC, listen to those numbers or usstn say within any. Listen to that inner she because I guarantee you if you're freesheet art, your passion, appreciate creativity. Go find out. What's the for like, what would you suggest someone who's maybe, you know, hesitant? Oh, I don't like rap, right like athletes. What's the first song? That would be the best sort of intro that we should check. I will say chaos theory. Okay. Someone is hesitant about me. And my abilities, rap or athletes in Iraq. Or either wrapping general cast just comes out so artists I track of on album. It's actually I. I got I. Visit this name and album is. Out of this a of cool if you like if you'd like to just chill back also Ryan music, you know, you you you going from San Diego, the LA you say we got gotta track out money in the love. Also track off slide on my homie burner and Geeta singer those tracks to kind of like their virus? We got we got to just harsh. We're going to try to just hard tracks that you know, you can just tell why came from those we got a track hawk can't go on my like, mental health and pressure, especially something that you wish you can money that you don't go to bursary alot deprived. And I've talked to you about this off the off the radar era. But may you got a whole bunch of people alignment you lot of pressure. Like me, it's like music TV television. I got five kids all these different households like her five for it becomes a bit much at time than that one was transparent where we show you guys that I'm even even apart. What are the purses goes they struck flesh? I found out even Gaza Lee now, all the mess. I tried my best to leave our stay strong. But I did the I can't go on. So we all get to those moments. So it's Russia known as well. So along those lines it's very apropos that you say that like, right? Now, if I didn't know better I would think that you're coming off a win on Saturday. Like, I'm blown away by how you're handling all of this. You suffered your first loss in quite some time since that ROY McDonald fight what is can you? I mean, you're you're tough guy from an exterior standpoint. But what is going on inside right now. How are you dealing with this truly? No, I was heartbroken. I'm going to be honest when she was heartbroken. On October, really fused. And you know, I don't like to question God. But I'm like, I don't I don't understand. I don't understand why this happened at this point in my career. This point of my time. I'm finally just starting to get the recognition undeserved people are finally saw the pool out the dispatch. You know, like people quick he landed the most body you let it a few strikes in Dame your mind fight. But nobody brought up the fact that the forty seven second KO, rob Yatala was fastest in what we history you top three for the most knockdowns. You're you're striking defense preceding, this is the highest. She got the highest Dundee. Excuse me. What's history? All these different, you know, longest streak of actor champions. All these things they use electrically see being used and not very often. So right when I was filling like, you know, what the corner started to change for me in suffer a loss in the only doc issue. God has made strong, my weakest two fath- your week is held at this point. He must be strong as you know, what? Because right at the moment, man, I felt like glare depression trying to jump on me. This still new on my on my on my next we break out Paolo bit idolized. Like, this this belt me lots of I do focus on every I do train hard. And I try not to let anything distract me. Even if I'm doing music outside save stuff. I've been able to top I'm always under. That's the funny thing. Always that music is the only new thing. That's coming therapy, less of less than a hindrance. I was heartbroken bad like K like just watch it spare like. I just have at least it was if it was Colby. My god. I might I might extend that to the parking lot. But it was just it was just like, you know, what at least at least restrict splayed releasing, you know, could use it platforms Zing will follow her life. But he can use it for the time that he got some heart. And I just had the key. Komo's you just think about all the movie something cut all the music something about that argued for tickets thing about social media think about trauma, pick of all these things you can do that. And I can try to find the million reason excuse allow loss of but I'm going to say I love Bernie. I learned. Last thing. Kobe told us earlier that he was told by Dana white that he is next. What will you do if they don't give you a title shot? What do you plan on doing do what I'll always, you know? No, we go to other way. Would you try to? Nope. At started. You'll see you know, you can't do that. I think that's what crossed Bobi not fight me or whatever the situation when he probably wanted to show. Do I think I should get the shot over movie? One phobia was never had never had the way ahead. He has a FOX's RDA brick. And he was supposed to fight me September spoke to me the March. This fight was supposed to be his fight. You mean of the till five or supposed to be his fight? And for whatever reason we did come the grievous and these guys got up and said of him he was next alive. But I don't think he's been sitting around to reserve. But also myself. My set. Put marketing ploy to do it. You know, it's draw you'd think that that that that low. Over workout beef and going from data gambling Tammy. If enough this fight revved up, then you know, say company, but I ain't going nowhere. Tired? I appreciate this year class act by man, it really is special to see how you're handling this. Congratulations on the album again. It's called chaos theory. We could show the album cover right over there. And there it is congratulations. I know how special that project area mess. I can come up. Our letter verse to check it out full-fledged. We got chicken our guys I to Spotify title anyway to download music Marsh as scouts through. All right. We'll talk to all the best to you tiring. Good luck with the album there. He is tired Woodley. The now former you have see welterweight champion handling this incredibly well, losing tomorrow's men on Saturday and curious to see what they do with him next. Now, let us move along and go back to the John Jones topic of discussion we spoke to coach Mike winkle, John. Now, let's talk to one of my favorites in this game six gun, Brandon Gibson. Wow, look at 'em cleaning up, well, Brandon. How are you? I like it. I've never seen you in a suit before day job. Live from trying to get that August McGregor sponsorship. Yeah. That's right. Well, could you tell us what is your day job? Are you allowed to tell us that it's classified? Okay. All right for enough. Will you look good now? Hi, welcome work for our local government here now, but in Mexico, so a lot of pride and being a civil servant. Yeah. So how do you split the time? Like, you tell them I have fight like how do you do both jobs? They seem like two fulltime jobs yet is God bless my wife. Yeah. Syria. Some. Yeah. I typically just trained fighters at night. So Greg wing cold down the gym it in the day. And I'm there in the evening, and I take vacation on the big fights. And go out there last minute on the on the not so big fights. But I do my best to balance everything. So when do you actually get free time with your family when I am old? Okay. I I do my best being a father is the most important job for sure. But you know, sometimes when these big camps Jones Scott out of its. It's very time constrictive, and now that we're past that I'd do my best to kinda rebalance my time and give them as much as I can. So I spoke to on Saturday right before the fight on the radio. And that was a cool little thing to get to talk to guys after I just saw you in the cage getting a feel for John warming up in front of an empty arena. And you told me that you are rather confident that John would finish Anthony Smith. Why didn't he in your opinion? You know, I really had foreseen John gained a position he was in the fourth round. Where were just you know, ground impounding finding the big needs of the body controlling hunting for the submission. But man, Anthony was tough. You did a good job staying impose even when John was running down the big strikes. And we knew it was going to be tough. And we knew it was gonna be durable. And there's a lot of positions with Saint Anthony in the past where he'd been beat up for a few rounds like the Volk and fight Volkan fades a little bit. And then Anthony comes on strong. So it got to point in the fight where we knew that we had to really just pace John out and make sure he. He didn't give everything in give Anthony window to come back in. What is going through your mind in the fourth round? When he lands that he legal knee. And it seems like I second things were up in the air. Yes. Scare you know. I I know John was trying to time it who's trying to France need to get off. I think he knew there time left in that fourth round. And he was looking for a big strife to put Anthony way. But but it scare you know. I know in those situations a fighter can take their way out and get a D Q. And it'd be terrible way to end world championship fight. And Anthony lived up to his monetary really as the Lionheart he showed that by by getting up. And I know it's a frustrating position for him to be in. We don't wanna land any illegal strikes. You know, you want a strong competitive fight with with sportsmanship? I don't think John. Did it intentionally? You know, just had a game goes sometimes. Yeah. And I was talking about this earlier in California that's a legal strike. And so I know they're not, you know, time to really assess what's going on your sort of flowing out there. But this this highlights in my opinion, the problem with the critical unified rules of MA it's impossible to ask these individuals to determine what's going on from state to state. It's it's it's it's absurd. If you ask me is there a chance that maybe this, you know, led to confusion on John's part. Did you talk to him about this afterwards? John knows what he did. And the referees. Do their best job to specify what is legal in. What state if it's the palm down of fists down if it's waded or if you have the fingertips just kind of touching, but but there is a variety of rules. And that is a position that they do their best to cover. I don't know if we covered those specific Cejudo for the Smith fight. But you know, it's it's a position that fighters should be aware of it. Kind of reminded me of Timmy's in. I think it was two years ago where he landed a similar Nina similar situation. Yeah. It's some fortunate. Let's just make it all legal pride rules. Yes. World one. Because also right before that. I don't know if you saw, but it looked like he may have landed an illegal kick as well. Did you notice that from our vantage point it looked like eight the body that wasn't a strike that had concern me? Okay. Maybe a different camera view shows something different. But from what we were sitting side. It looked like that strike it hit the body is John Jones back in your opinion. Like, you feel like he's fully back from the layoff. He's now gone to fights in the span of essentially, two months. Do feel confident that we are now seeing the old John Jones, or do you still feel like there's some more work to get back to you know, when he was going through all those legends a few years back. I think he's a much better fight of he was several years ago when we're fighting the legends. I think he's his game is improving so much and I liked that he fought two times in in eight week period. I think it's great to the fans. Things to his family and to our team in the coaches into himself. I feel like it's it's something he needed to do. And now, we're kind of sit back and reassess. If we're gonna fight three times this year four times a year, but he healthy injury free. And we just need to keep that fire lit under them. So you feel like he's gonna come back and wrote of short order. He's going to keep that up. What he was saying was, you know before the fight. I want to fight three or four times this year is that still the plan after Saturday. Yeah, we'll see we're gonna sit down this week with coach winkle John Jackson and his in Tucson in John. And and see what the next goal is. Maybe it's summer. Maybe it's fall, but I know John's fired up he's ready to get back to work already in. These are key windows for us to work with John and continue to improve with him as a martial artist. Not have a specific opponent a game plan being developed just let's may John Jones better. Sure. And probably good to keep him. You know, when he's in the gym what he's in training camp that seems to be the best time for John like when he has long breaks. Maybe that's when he he, you know, he. Gets in a little bit of trouble. Right. Everybody needs a goal and a job to go to focus on. It keeps all of us healthy. Do you like the TI goes Santos matchup? Does that intrigue? You do feel a key poses some interesting questions that you guys have to figure out. Sure, you know, you'd mentioned John run and throw the legends. I think two years ago when we had like of pride legends the rampage, the veto oars, the shogun's that was a really cool time light heavyweight and now John is the legend. Now got these young up and comers like Tiago like Johnny Walker, and and Anthony Smith, and it's cool being this position where we're looking at these young guys and. We're seeing what we can do to to get them. Yeah. Did you know that in John's twenty UFC fights that was the first time that he fought someone who is younger than him. Yeah. You know, they're going to keep getting younger. Yeah. We just gotta keep getting sharper. It's amazing. How the youngest champion UC history. Who for the longest time felt like the baby faced guy is now starting to be the grizzled veteran. It's crazy how that works you, and I have a great hill old world. It's unbelievable. And and I'm blown away by you saying that he is he is better. Now that this version of John Jones is better. I honestly don't know if many people would agree with you are you able to expand a little more like technically, what makes them better these days. He's getting more efficient with everything. He does. Everything's that much more calculated. He's I think defensively is getting much better. I mean, Anthony landed forty something strikes in a five round fight. You know, we if take the legal knee out in that would have been a fifty forty four championship performances dominant. John's taking less risk. It reminds me watching George saint-pierre periods. George Saint care of all that if started becoming less explosive stuff mortis refined jab in double eggs, not that. Those are the tools Johns that's going to use going forward, but his his playbook is so deep and he's so official with each and every move, and he's just gonna continue out strike these guys out wrestled, these guys out clinches, guys out grapple, these guys out ground upon these guys and take less and less damage. That's our goal after John Jones fight week fight camp is it exhausting like do do feel like like is that just like a massive weight lifted off shows you guys have an experie-. The loss together while you've been a part of a team. But I can't imagine with all the hoopla and all the attention all the buzz. It's gonna be exhausting. Right. I think it's something we're we're built for this team's vote for we have a lot of experience here. I think if I was a part of almost any other camp it would be. But this is what we do. This is what we do in. That was the eighteenth. You have title fight of cornered. So we have a lot of experience on the big stage. John has a lot of experience from Greg on wync who have more experienced than probably any other coaching staff in the game. But you know, I'm happy to get home. And. You know, decompress a little bit. But I'll tell you what I'll be anxious to get back to work, you're real soon. Yeah. And and and how is the mood these days at the team because it seemed like, you know, not that long ago people were saying Jackson wink was overrated, and you guys were done. And you hadn't wanna a big fight in quite some time. You had the go win on on Saturday as well. John with a big win his second in the span of two months do sense a change in the in the vibe in the mood at the team. Could you describe it can you pinpoint it don't call it come back as we've been here? You know, it there is a change in the vibe though last year, it was hard as challenging for all of us. I don't think anybody expected the team to kind of go through what we went through. But I think it brought a lot of closer together and having unified goals like the Jones gifts and fight were beneficial for everybody on the team that that's what we needed was a common goal brought everyone together and. And it it made us stronger ministry. You know, I got a lot of love for for Calloway. And for a lot of the fighters that part of ways with the team, but it's it's put us in a stronger place. And I think we're just gonna keep getting better and better and better. Congratulations, brandon. I appreciate you doing this while at work. I didn't know you are work. You could've told me that you are busy. But thank you very much for doing that your other job. Of course, we saw you in action on Saturday. Congrats you in the team keep up the great work over there. And looking for who is the next one for you. When's the next fight event big event where you got you know, I'm Jodi s cabal. Jessica penny revi- out rescheduling. I look forward to that. And we'll see what John has coming up and a lot of other guys kind of in limbo right now, just waiting and getting better, and I'll be helping However I can with whatever other camps happen. Thank you. Brandon. Enjoy go back to work. Thank you, sir. Serious six. Brandon Gibson striking coach for one John Jones in his corner on Saturday. Okay. What a great story on Saturday. Log time coach Henri Huw finally got his you have champion. He was in the corner of Comorros men doing his thing down in south Florida as had opportunities in the past didn't work out for various reasons, but on Saturday Henry ho finally got his UFC champion. He is kind enough to be joining us right now via FaceTime berry is Henry congratulations by friend. Thank you so much. Thank you finally being on the show again. I'll stop a bother talking about winning fights vitals instead of other stuff. Right. Yes. It's good to have you. Congrats. So you got your UFC champion. What does it feel like? First of all, we got it. Because it's not only me, of course, Gregory Jones commie version. Let me talk all the guys talk to cog our guy, and especially the the guys in the room to help out everyday everyday ended up. But is it good feeding of course, because like you just said we had a couple of title fights. And and it's good after a long long road working together. Go so fine to finally win. It was amazing. It was just the. Yeah. Just what what what we were working so hard for funding get it, especially with out who started with us, really and followed back. Yeah. It was amazing feeling. Of course, you know, off the top of your head. How many UFC title fight you are a part of before Saturday night. Sean evans. John Jones beat the baffle. John jones. Anthony Johnson DC Anthony Johnson DC vocalist amid Z come out was man becoming world champions against. Tyron woodley. Amazing. Was there was there point where you thought I'm never gonna get to experiences where you doubting yourself or you always knew. No, ma'am. I'm not a doubter. That wasn't. Yeah. I'm from the Netherlands champion myself. I trained at the best fighters in the world. We already with Eddie Alvarez. We already won the Valletta about than I trained that until he won the seat belt. We have the one if she double champion in the Haji, Michael Chambas champion. And also, we got we got four guys eleven battle. Doug is three glory. Guys got so many fighters in gym. It's a little different to have like just one lead than you have a couple of coaches rounded school, but we have so many athletes, and we do with three of us in the mornings and evenings. So it's it's not so easy. You know? But we gotta done when did you start working with Kamara? Do you? Remember? Yeah. I think it was two thousand twelve when he was shot. Of course, he was there in the beginning. They said soli arrest affords, he had some striking by the most of the of course, the wrestling from everybody. So that must have been early two thousand twelve I think. And you were calling what you thought of him back. Then like, did you think that he'd be able to turn into this? He's ten and on the you have C one of four men to start his career undefeated like that likes of Anderson Silva, even among voice Gracie. I mean, he's in pretty special territory here, did you expect this? No. I don't think in the beginning of a career that you can really, of course against special special special things. Like, I said before when I started working with the Dairo, Dr Spong beat the odds, these guys kickboxing, you see you see special stuff things that other people don't do like before fines or doing hard sessions. How they reacted you see special things they need to do it in the big fights in the moments very important than what I always thought from Kamara. When when he showed what is strong point is is that occasion. And also his this plane in everything he comes on time. He warms up. Good. Oxygen trade heart after trendy cools down takes his body. And he thanks to the to the to the plane par brings her to gymnastics before training. He's very disciplined. He's everything you reading one in the fighter. But like I said, there's also some cases where people just special like John Jones her and you see it in the beginning. But this Phillies do it. People don't understand this to perform for so many people to represent your team represent the people that are than that government pool the trigger. That's not forever by you know, so he's special guy in I think it would be very champion that was an incredibly dominant performance. It was one-sided fifty to forty four. We haven't seen a score like that in a UFC welterweight title fights into see one eleven when George saint-pierre defeated. Dan hardy, you've been very honest in this interview. So I'm curious when you are game planning when you were thinking about the fight. Did you think it would be that one sided? No, no, hell, no. I was said the same thing again. But people think I'm joking but again me neglecting. I mean, we're not really getting planners. I mean, we see so many FIS we see so many opponents we have so many people in the gym that we just train our guys them the skills and make sure that they get ready to find the best at finite. No ad for you look at the video day, but the communists everybody in the game Grech seen everything I seen a lot of things. We don't forget we ever shot Athens around Michael Johnson. We have people veto Belva. We have people that seen a lot of stuff. So we just we probably really different than maybe some guys. That's why you don't get about thirty. Because you don't get that the today, we're still trainers. Anyone that we wanna teach our guys skills? You know? So he finds very dominant champion minutae. I would from very good camp. I respect the room Senate and his a lot like always respect. My opponent's because people forget to become champion you and the bonus to finding abundant about to make money needed opponent show. What happens in the in the last couple of years in our game here with people talking trash fighting each other all the stuff that's on side of fighting for martial artists. It's it's it's not a good feeding. I the finger that sometimes upside of people think that our sport is not relying more gimmicks and stuff, you know, and very happy to see a gun on Kamara who really want every fight. He needed to get that shot to win so dominance that even and okay? Can you can you can say some stuff to Jeddah? I'm going to be dropping really trust stocking and get into all this kind of fight stuff and everything sell a fine. I think skills that an ability will selfies anyway, so that have on the Senate. He he he just did. But he doesn't training. He goes forward. Put pressure on everybody does the right stuff. Does the right thing. The right moment hurt people in-between does really Greg Jones over says coming that doing small things in between that people don't see any breaks people, and he's very very strong discipline guy. So it will be very hard to stop a guy like dance, you know. And they're striking is getting better every time. I says he stopped work on that will will be hopefully, people seem future. But that for now, I must say he's been doing great. I mentioned earlier that he set the record for most body shots landed in a UFC fight hundred ninety two was that part of the game plan. Did you want to target woodley's body and if so why? I want every fighter from me. Hit somebody's buddy body the head intellect. What's what's that? You need your head. But you don't time is very explosive fiber though. So if you can take that away that the than Bubby he will slow down. You know, we had a little feeding that if I wouldn't like really heard Kamar in the beginning and the Feiger go on will be morning the tomorrow's favor, but you know, still five and it's still five rounds. And you find a champion. You never know what happened. But I don't I don't see a lot of people doing what come out with doing eighty four six. He breeds any looks at you like, okay media. What's the story? You know? And then he just goes on for another round, you know, and that some people that he didn't he didn't get the in other people that know you signed a contract for twenty five minutes. You gotta check when you find. And you get to check. If you win the fine. That's all we get to do. And if it's if that's not enough entertainment dominant. Somebody like that. Then you guys are watching the road for me too much fake as wrestling, whatever. But not this was very dominant. I agree. So you talked about the trash talk, and all that stuff that seems to dominate the sport these days it is coming with Koby comington. You may have seen the footage yesterday at the casino. And they just don't like each other. What do you make of Colby Covington as a person and the way he's selling this? Well, I don't know him as a person. I don't knowing I again, like I said before I'm old school in Bubby right too old for this. But. People had a date mouth went big day that back it up and I seen his fights. He winces fight. So there's a reason why he wants to have diamond find them. That's cool. But you don't need to really be trashed on. Can you know again, you need to sell yourself by fighting and putting it on? And if you keep winning your fight to get your chains flashy, but on a regular. That's the John Jones doesn't talk trash in. Everybody wants seem fight. It's entertainment. I know but still wearing the five business to entertainment must be always be skills and finding not talking trash talking just respect again days respect, you're gonna find somebody else both of the guys to make life better. And an the doesn't may incense. What I didn't even know what happened. I saw some pushing shopping and assigned to open work on the I kind of laughed about it because it was funny to see a grown grown up men logo like that. But. I don't know. It's not mice never happened in mice for the wagon from. So it's gonna happen when they're gonna find each other, and Oakley we can just keep on doing what we do just train line because right on the fight and tried to beat every opponent that that we face on that India ACTA gun outside of it. Just put the beating on everybody. That's that's what we want to do. But he probably will make a whole scene, and and if that works for him, and if he wins five with good, but I think when he finds Kamara in the cases goes, it's gonna be different story. I think for a lot of guys down the restaurant is guy a little bit too much. We found out on Saturday that Camara had a fractured foot. His manager showed us this video from Monday that he was in a boot when did he injure his foot, and where you concern that he might have to pull out of the flight, or at the very least that it would affect them in the fight. No, I think in our in our in our sports, I come from kickboxing. We never I went into a five thousand injury. That was always like a senior Joe or broken thing with this that you wanna compete. You wanna find specially if you can find on the card like that? So yeah, you got some little things here and there, but no big issues. He will he will not say no to fight. I e he knew it was his time. He knew it was time to get the belt. Everything was viewed so her feet or hand or whatever he's been wrestling for long long time too. So yes, some little things. But again, I'm amazed very ah. It's a spoiled by people get injured all the time knees back elbows. That's the thing about this this fourth, you know, you never know what what can happen, but that feed dinner really really Baden in the fine. So not I think that it was it was good. All right. Well, congratulations Henry, I'm happy. Finally, got that champion that you have see champion you've had others, of course in different organizations, but there's something special. I think about having a UFC champion, and especially your first one. Congratulations to not only you and the entire team tomorrow as well. What a performance unbelievable. One of the very best in UFC title fight history, very one-sided dominant. Enjoy the victory, my friend. Once again skills, pay bills, just find stop talking trash just five because I know you wanna be a drama reporter. I know you'll you'll good report. You wanna talk about good stuff not about some shark or stop just keep finding hard guys in. We see you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Henry. Congratulations all the best to you. Henry Huw coach for loose men. Very happy for him in the team what they -ccomplish on Saturday. One of the great stories on Saturday. The return of Diego Sanchez Mickey goal set. A lot of things about him said he would render him unconscious that he would knock them out early. Didn't happen. Sanchez wins finishes him. What a performance you thought. He was done. Y'all must've forgot twenty nineteen the original outmatched fighters still kicking. There is the nightmare. Diego Sanchez Diego. Congratulations. How are you? My friend. Don't call it a comeback been here for years. Maybe it's how how honestly dago? This is one of my favorite stories of all time covering the original it fire the man who few years ago, we were all saying fans media. Okay. Maybe it's time you're getting knocked out. How are you doing this? How're you beating guys where younger than you finishing them on a winning streak in twenty nineteen can you? I don't know if it's an easy answer. If it's an answer at all that you can give me, but what is the secret to the success fourteen years after you on tough? Well, you know, there's there's there's a lot to it. There's definitely a lot to it. The secret to my success, one of the secrets in my successes been coming up in way classes coming up from fifty five to two welterweight that was that was a huge thing for me because in two thousand seventeen I had that hard year where I received back toback, knockout losses, and I had a really really look at the drawing board and say, hey, what is a better way cost for you to fight? Are you actually healthy fighting this way class at one fifty five? Are you the best Berge in of yourself at once a divide, and I looked back. And I was like, no, I'm not I'm not I'm not healthy. And especially in the LA Quinta fi. I just I might my my reflexes my reflexes were a little or my my reaction time, just and then all around durability. Just I you know, I play by the rules. I've I've had a complete all natural UFC career and with with that being said when when you came in and they took the ivy's away. I'm not the guy that's doing these in the back still 'cause I hear these rumors that guys are still using visa, but that's not me. Now, I wasn't gonna to do that. So so so like, I'm doing the best I can to be natural and healthy and welterweight I'm actually fighting weighing in maybe one seventy three one seventy four I'm going there at my natural fight way. And fighting my natural fight we end, and I'm looking to again, I'm looking to change the game for all the fighters because I want these fighters to be able to to actually be healthy and leave their their careers. Whether they'd be short or whether they belong like mine. I want them to leave this career in leave this sport with with their with their with their mind and play with with their intelligence, and and they're meant. Oh health at a at a at a perfect level. You know, where they're healthy. Mickey set a lot about you going into this fight about knocking you out and unconscious, and you know, you're the guy he called you out. Right. He was asking for this fight any of that stuff. Give you a little extra motivation to not just beat him. But teach them a lesson on Saturday. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I've been I've been been just reprogramming my mind in how I think in what I said as my goals when I go into these fights, I'm going into these fights with with with just some some vicious relentless like the I'm come with with with the crazy. I'm with the crazy. Like, I'm hurt you hurt you now. Like, like, I I changed we program my mind. And so it really doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. What that what they what they do or say to me? It doesn't matter if the guy like the nicest guy like like or or or a funny guy like Bidar scandal, or whatever it is. Because I've reprogram my mind to where I just see it as if they're stepping into that area into that space with me there at risk the they know what they're getting themselves into they they they I. I know I know I know the risks of getting in that optimum I've played I've I've had I've had wars, man. I've had my my face split open. Like, I've had these up. Had these doings try to come an hurt my brain, my one and only brain that. I got I had these guys try to knock it out. And I've had it knocked out. So I know I know what these guys intentions are. So what are the egg hatches intentions mindset? My intentions are to go in there and like be brutal. Like, I'm looking to. I'm looking to to break. This news face. Mickey gal was a bad guy. He was like that was a good guy versus bad guy type situation scenario that I really liked. I I was excited. I I liked Bagai fights, you know, I like I liked when I when I gotta fight Nick Diaz. He played the bad guy. You know, I got to play the good guy, you know, all throughout my career. I love I love getting to fight the bad guy. Mickey guy was trying to try and play the bad guy card. And you know, he got his ass. What you know? He's he's probably in blood pissing blood and and has about headache today. You know, I know for sure he's laying his his his head on that pillow and his neck and Jilin good the back of his era feeling good all the places that I that. I landed elbows ain't feeling good. And he's technically he's lucky that that that rebelled him off be pulled me off put me of them because because this already bitten, and I me, and I wasn't even gonna tell the ref. Yeah. Wasn't even you know. I thought who. Oh, yeah. We're still got the bike. Mark. I see. Yeah. I don't know if I'm I'm fast Taylor. I'd be here real quick. But you know in the eye. He he I got tune he actually tried to take my eye out. I was like I was also it was getting dirty in their mind. Like, I've got him with thirty sound just all three fingers tech that oil cook. We'd better you better get out. Let me go online. And you know, so it was getting dirty in there. It was. I was I was I was I was fool on out road in streetfight in my mind. There was no there was no mar God wasn't a net. You know what? I mean. Like in my mind is just to learn and amended. I mean, they're hurt this guy that I was able to really truly use my veteran ship. I I really use my veteran ship this fight. I was able to to watch him a being emotional watching emotions in and he was emotion on he really believed us going there. Knock me out tried to use a lot of traction manifest this this future for himself. But he didn't understand you know, he was trying to manifest. A legend of the game. Then. I knew I knew what he was in there doing menu. Any was a spring chicken. I knew that that he was going to get in there that he was gonna it was gonna go. And I I knew it once he started throwing punches with everything he had I swear he threw this one punch area that was like like a weightlifter. It looks like a weightlifter like just like that like like while you're waiting. It was like. I like I was like I was like I was like I read it right away. I was like it was slow motion to me. Everything was like, I was like, oh, we we get him out because I could've just put him against the cage and took him down. It will the guy had no wrestling. And so I just like, okay. You know, what ESPN let's give us PIN the fight they want. Let's give him some some action. Let's give him some stand up. And I thought playing a little bit of the rookie dope. Like, I was. He was I could see every punch coming. I was able to roll with it. Roll with it and absorb it. You know, whether be with a little bit of the globe. Whether it be with a little bit of you know, whatever it was. I I was I was rolling with it. I he nothing was connecting nothing was really truly connecting on me solid. And every punch that he was throwing he was wearing south out. So I was like all right. I'm gonna let this guy wear himself out. Then I'm gonna Tak the body. And then once I attacked body was already word out. I'm gonna take a soul spirit, and he's not going to have nothin. He's not gonna have nothing. And that's exactly what happened. He had nothing left. And my put the hurt on amazing while do you going? I heard you say something after the victory about going outside of one dicey about this about going outside during a rain storm lightning and feeling the energy. Could you tell me more about that? I've never heard you talk about that before. That's that's that's that's from season. One tough bike for about the fight. Josh Rasha, Josh Rafferty as by. While I was about to fight Josh Rafferty out. There was actually a storm outside and I went out there. And like it goes back to like like, I remember the very first time that I seen it was Hickson Gracie on on choke the documentary that he did. Yeah. He he's about in the mountains. And and there's like a a waterfall a river, and and they're on the river. And while there whether whether getting the river in his wife's like, no, no don't get in that river, you're gonna get sick. And h