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John Carpenter's THE FOG (1980) with TARA GARNER & MICHAEL KEYLOUN

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John Carpenter's THE FOG (1980) with TARA GARNER & MICHAEL KEYLOUN

"Uh this program is a proud member of unique voice unified unique voices learn more at unidos pods dot net. Hello my name's patrick and i must scream queen. I'm a scream queen and celery you. Hello again beautiful. Screamers and happy halloween and most of all welcome. Welcome to another episode of schoo- queens. It's the podcast where it harder gets gay. This is episode three hundred and three and two night. John carpenter month continues to celebrate it. We're going to take a look at one of his most spooky stories ever the nineteen eighty tale of revenge from beyond the grave and under the sea. The fog and help me out. I got to special guests. We're going to be joined by world. Famous actor michael kailahun and super fabulous canadian tara gardner but i please allow me to introduce myself. My name is patrick. Walsh your guide on this so far. Eleven year tour to the weird and wonderful world of horror movies. But you are going to have to see them. They're my very very little is and you will love it came. If you're listening you might have got that joke. If you had mr g for geometry year we're talking about that's an inside joke but you know what we're going to have enough of them coming up later on but i you know what the tradition a little bit here because i'm not going to give you a smoother watch. I'm not going to tell you what's been going on. Scream queens headquarters. Because it's the halloween season. That was really weird. Way to say. Halloween halloween halloween. It feels like seventy eight metres said. Hello america this is cloudy. Seventy nine attention. That i love. Halloween sounds about right. it sounds like anyway. we're not talking about drew either. So instead i'm going to tell you a tale suitable for the upcoming holiday a tale of a tale much like the fog about righting past wrongs and revenge. Remember how i used to have that neighbor that live next door to me and department store always complained about the cat. Always having some bitch to bitch about some bitch being the bitch well. They moved out when cova got bad. They hit the road hurry. Goodbye good riddance. But you know like that old saying goes about monsters or dragons serpents. Whatever game hack one head off nice and clean and boom you get two new ones sprouting up in its place because no sooner is that one gone. I've got a new pain in my ass. Then neighbor below the pain in the ass from down below. This new neighbor is extremely sound sensitive. And it's always knocking on my door. Complaining about something i i met a while ago. I was getting rid of furniture. There's an old kievan set of drawers. The drawers had fallen apart. And you can get the open anymore and you couldn't put them back together. Either and me being a fabulous fifty year old homosexual living alone living a bachelor lifestyle in new york city during a goddamn pandemic couldn't get anybody to help me bring it downstairs to the garbage so i did my best to take it apart but eventually it was so fucked up. I had to take a hammer to it so the plan was to bus. This thing it's a little tiny pieces and carry then downstairs and a bunch of trips rather than trying to drag the whole thing down four flights of stairs by myself because you know me. I'm a particularly graceful. You i would've been pinned under that saying the bottom of stairwell bleeding out my last art being damaged. Why couldn't i have died of the apartments or at least smooch would eat my corpse. Hose feed the cat dead. This particular afternoons banging out knocking gonna this jar getting all the pieces out knocking apart the next george getting all the pieces out when i hear at the door get to my new neighbor all fluster. My goodness what's going on up here to taking part of draw. Well my wife is trying to sleep. And she's very sound sensitive. I said it's two o'clock in the afternoon. I'm taking part of ajar. I'll try to keep it down. Which is my way of saying blow me. This was the first man in many instances of that saturday afternoon around four o'clock. i was vacuuming. Apparently i was vacuuming too loud. What is going on up here. It's so loud dude. It's the afternoon. Where would you like me to vacuum. When i was sick for those new the show. I had the terrible bacterial virus plus a pet parasitic infection that gave me horrific crippling diarrhea for a good ten days and one of the worst nights. I'll try to spare the gory details. But i was in so much rain. I remember how to kind of roll out of bed. I rolled out of bed. I i did not pour myself a cup of ambition instead. i'm not. There was bumbling my way through. And i know it was a knocks him stuff. Whatever and i know. He's in a ton of pain. So i know it wasn't being quiet. Either in big man was happening when i finally made it to the bathroom after stumbling to the kitchen nopporo myself a couple of admission. I always not quiet about it. But you know what i was sick. I had an excuse. I had a doctor's note. For god's sake middle of the next day. I got a four page letter slipped under my door complaining about the noise and okay i get that. It was two in the morning three in the morning when that happened. But it wasn't like it was going on for hours and i was sick. Listen you know what. I could respond to this. But it's none of your fucking business. You live in new york city. There's noise so either word deal with it or move back to whatever like frenetically sealed. Soundproof suburban booth. You moved here from because the ramblings cheap because it's the pandemic. I know what you're type you come in here. You move into city from where the fuck came. Take him taking advantage of the pandemic low rent because of the fucking tragedy that happened in our neighborhood and then you start complaining about everything in the neighborhood. Excuse me we don't like the way we do things here. I know we're new but we want you to change everything. Suit us fuck off so just this afternoon now. I'm hanging up my framed poster. That i got when i got the friday the thirteenth. Except i of course to do that. One means they have her and nails so i had hammered a nail into the wall so a hammer and nail in the wall and i thought as was doing it as i hammered the three taps to get the nail safely situated into place. I thought if that fucker comes knocking on my door over three tiny hammer taps. I'm gonna lose my tits. Excuse me could you please hold it down. It's noon on sunday sir q. Meltdown and five. Four three. like if you're this sound sensitive you picked the wrong fucking city to move to you live in a building with dozens of other people. People make noise. I'm not going to be walking around on shells twenty four hours a day because i might disturb you by doing every day. Menial tasks keeping a log sir of every time. We've come up here. And i've kept all the fucking leonard's because there's been several now so that you slipped under my door because if you come up here bothering me with your petty problems one more time i'm turning this whole thing over to the landlord because this sir is harassment and i will not be harassed and then it hit me. I had a secret weapon. I sit and listen. Mr. this is my maria osborne guy. Curve's pitcher a with a crystal ball and possibly a water. My nose going if you think the noise is bad. Now just you wait neighbor from down below because you're really not going to like it when it's time to turn on the steam and it looked at me and said what do you mean. Steve and i just laughed. I said oh. Believe me when it happens you'll know. Close the door cryptically because it's just so happens. The other thing that happened just this morning. Was that steve. Turn on the building now for those who are new to the show to wondering what the fuck is happened. Well this has been eleven year tradition here on screen green. Just because i'm a har- fan but also a big musical theater geek as well. I just like to celebrate when the temperature starts to get below forty degrees and the building decides that it's time to turn on sixty you c- consi- makes a lot of noise rattles. Clemson rattled and initially a long time ago. I decided to inform listeners. About steve because it would come over. And i was recording and i know that if the vote if the mike is picking up my voice. It's definitely picking up the st. What people faith that. I had somebody in bondage up here or spooky spooky. Ghost in chains like christmas carol but on halloween. No no no. It's not a ghost. Just the st and then what's going. It goes all day and all night so if my little tap tap on the wall as gonna bother you just wait to deal with the clinton plan clanger because the cling-clang langfang that he goes on twenty four hours a day. They're going to lose their fucking minds. I love it and it's all to st. Of course my longtime listener. The show know that for one episode of every year. I celebrate playing a sound clip ad nauseam. So the game is that. I played up steam as often as i possibly can't so much that i even to annoy myself and the game is to see how many times it can play stevie before my listeners rise up and so far they have it yet because it turns out they love almost as much as i love trumps dame so not only does steve bring me. Joy also brings them suffering. And now this year's some wonderful miraculous bonus. I can sleep a little easier knowing that. I've not only annoyed my listeners. But also that the steam driving my asshole neighbors crazy now. You might sit there and wonder what kind of sick twisted game is that. Well i'll tell you you're listening. It's a pajama game. All right so not. Mr mac. And i'm not john houseman on the beach. The fog and i can't believe a greater detail but you know he'd have musical theater backing up. But i kind of switch gears and bringing my guests and talk about the fog now before i get going i just wanna point something out. Tara garden longtime listener. It's a i. I'm guessing on the show. I found out thirty seconds before we started recording. That had been pronouncing her name. Wrong for eleven goddamn ears and so my beautiful beautiful screamer. This gave me an idea. I present you now. The rules for the very first scream queens episode drinking game every time i say tara instead of tara drink every time i hold out the vowel in tara because i'm starting to say it wrong and then it has to think about it for a long so this tommorrow whatever you do that drink everytime tara says well you know what happened in the book. Drink and every time mike. Okay lewin laughs till you squeaks. Drink those the rules of the game and without any further ado. Let's listen to the trailer and talk about the fog john. Carpenter's the fog. This kabc antonio bay stevie wayne here and let me be the i wish antonio bay i happy birthday one hundred years old today and keep a watch out that all bag and from the east one hundred years ago between midnight and one something unknown came out of the fall now it has returned jesus one hundred years ago between midnight and one something unnatural came out of the fog now it has returned years ago between midnight and one something evil came out of the fog now it has returned football. Antonio bay has a curse on off a cold. Go to vancouver now. Where's the fog now. Should be right outside my door now. There's something different about this on the door. Get inside and lock the doors. Close your windows. There's something in the fall. Stay away from the fall from the creator of halloween. The ultimate experience in terror and suspense john. Carpenter's befogged starring adrien. Jamie lee curtis. John houseman genitally as kathy williams and hal holbrook as bottom. Load the faulk. What you can't see won't hurt you. It will kill you between midnight on one it will find you that was a foghorn because being not over. It's still john carpenter. Or should i say for this episode edge. John carpenter debra hill month because for these movies you can have governor without debra hill because she was fabs as one of my babbling about. I don't know the movie that we're here to talk about. Is the one thousand. Nine hundred. Eighty atmosphere classic. The thog there's no fun to be lost in a fog bank by yourself. So i figured i got my to god's help me out two very special guests and the first one. She's a longtime listener the show. She is my favorite volunteer. Whenever i need some help out a very special person right over here you know getting getting all the special. I got babbling. I'll fix it in post and to top it all. She's from canada. Which is my favorite place on the planet right. Now that will let me. And don't let his gentlemen boys and girls plead am boys and girls. Migs's wherever you maybe. Please put your hands together polite. Welcome to the fabulous tara. Gather round children for a joke captain to tell you go story again is my mom here. It's the seventies. Everyone in this movie is drunk. Like twenty four seven. That's pretty much. It was the seventies. Everybody was drunk. We'll eighty but we all know decades turn on the three shot in nineteen seventy nine totally valid already doing tara. I'm pretty good. How are things up in canada that country. That actually has their shit together. It's doing okay flailing around things i understand. You don't want to gloat because that would be good with the bad government cannot co aride so we'll let you think about how rude that was not to be rude. I'm so sorry. I deduce my next guest. My beautiful screamers. You'll remember him. He was here to talk about stagefright. Last halloween he crept in a while to help out with the thirteenth part eight. He's my fellow photo mate. And i've known him for thirty five. God damn you're so we got dirk and it's going to be really hard for us not to squawk like birds at each other for the next hour and a half so lazy boys and girls emma. Gnc's wherever you may be. Please put your hands together and welcome to the scream queens a microphone the very very gangly mr michael. Cain are our how ya doing now. Pirate horror gathering. What i tell you a story right after a open meal miami. Aarp aarp aarp brody of savings into the aarp. a i saved twenty five golden buffet at the golden buffet. This movie has it. all lepers. pirate ghosts small. Children inappropriately sneaking out at night. It should never happen. Batch happen but it didn't. It's all on film. We're gonna talk about. How are you. What's going on an quarantine and mike. Okay luhrman. i'm all right. You know locked in my apartment like everybody else and you know michael wingas his mom and dad for wild. Yes that's scarce. That's where i am. We know what his dad's a doctor. I would go there too. Yeah yeah that lasted for five months. And then i had to quarantine from the quarantine. It's good to have a nice remember why you became an adult and exactly like i don't know about you tara but like i moved in i mean it was sort of accident i went home and then just never left. Because the world imploded but like within seconds it was right back to the sandbox. I was in high school guys. I'm one hundred years old problems and you know what none of the listeners care about them. Thanks a lot patrick. Thanks a lot listeners. I care very deeply. do you know. Listen we know we. We are not not paying this guy. Have a therapy session. Parental problems. please please tell us about the pirates. That aren't lepers. And how are they. Simple forest every theme of this movie to my own personal problems. The fog is the disease. Get inside lock your doors or it's going to bring it down and with a hook cadre. These really old people will be dragging you back to some shit. You did a hundred years ago that time. You said you were going into movies. Mother and i waited up till four. Am and we thought you were dead. And that's the fog tonight. Everybody okay so the actual thing that we're talking about the movie the fog and you know since we have a little tradition your scream queens and michael's done it twice and actually done it once but that's enough. Dr has never done it so ta i'm going to ask you to give nice type bag of the dvd plot summary of the movie. The fog antar other clock starts on in tokyo bay centennial. A mysterious fog comes into town. And what the people don't know. Is that in that our spirits that are seeking revived crimes that were committed against them by the town's forefathers their goal is to have six six died is revenge should go after other people other than the six. It's kind of confusing running out. Well well it is partly like six mustang. Get keep kind of going after very efficient in their plan. I mean there's a whole ton of people in the town square and they're going after these lone stragglers. What the hell i've got. Might i've got my. I've got my head can in theory on that one okay. But it's like if they're going after descendants of the people who did this to them. Why do they go after stevie wayne son he just moved from chicago. We wanna stomach founder and a coke. He made okay okay now since this movie is old and most people have seen it a million times already. I'm going to do my normal thing and go like modem about momentum partner talking talking some broader strokes now one of the things. I love about this movie it really instills you with the sense of mood like from the first piano keystroke when the score starts before the trial It we just little magic spell around you. Kind of like a fog. i remember. I remember newsday delivers like it's a very atmospheric movie haha. They actually wrote that in the review. How hard they wrote the journalistic brilliance of news. I just love the mood. it sets up it. It feels very much like a story that you would tell around the campfire which. I'm sure it's not a coincidence. That's the way this movie opens with. John house very much like you almost expect him to then afterwards. Tell the story that. Ucs like even have that lovely split. Diop's shot actually a few split day after shots that are not your typical versions of that. Like there's the the watch and then later on there's the gas pump that falls down because usually it's like two people in the foreground tension and these are just moutainous here. You go for a long time. People like me and said that john houseman came in and did that one take. It's alive nikolai. okay. I watched the blooper. There's a great shot. It's like an action closes the watching just there shit. Why are these children one of the things that struck me this time in a bigger picture kind of a thing like when i tried to as an adult watches things like how does this tie into modern day. This whole movie is about finding out that your history is alive. I have that written down. We just had columbus now. Dan still trying to convince my parents that shit they taught us. That's a lot. That's a straight of that. No no no. He didn't discover shit. He got lost lost and then murdered everybody. Murdering everybody never set foot on the continental united states at all. So it's all bullshit. Yeah i wrote just like really like better to acknowledge the truth. Then celebrate ally. 'cause that's basically what the priest is saying. It's like what the hell these are amazing of casting is that the mark points play. Father expositions celebration. Tonight's travis honoring murderers. Was there ever such a thing as a young hal. Holbrook i know sixty years old for fifty here. He was a baby he was ten. He was sixty and the state. It turns sixty on this third birthday. Well that's what having sex with. Dixie carter will duty preserves you know. Preserved preserves the he's like ninety five years old. I think he's sleeping and tupperware every night. The temp away. That i don't know why he's from long island now one. This is one of my favorite kind of harm. Is i have a soft spot for ghost stories. That have been ed creepy. Seaside towns. Ira wanted to towns. I even did a special episode way way back where it was all featured on widows watch songs by jackie by schnitt o'connor jennifer rid mix in. Its own way major. Tom the things that i said something about that. That always fascinates somebody waiting forever for somebody to come back. It just makes me happy and this so this ties into one of my favorite things in the whole world. The thought did occur to mike you know what tying it back to columbus day. If day of america goes to date of americans came up asserted. Slaughtering that'd be good for them for them yet is where to have like have certain movies. Where when you think about it later. You're just like no. They were right they they should be killing. Everyone read a book recently. Were there like this one character. Who murdered people like no. She should have done that. I get it good for her good for her. That's exactly what i thought. The end of the movie like when that's for for them to for them blake in his ghosts disappear them. They're like we're actually going to have to come and get that six percent jump way ahead but i had to address this right now listener. Tj commented on my post last night. I was watching the movie. And she said you know. It doesn't make any sense. That father malone grabs giant cross. That's made him and hands it to blake. That'd be too heavy for anybody to pick up on their own and has think big about a minute. I thought you're very smart but you didn't say it. I i then teacher said it performance. So you third third stove j you and i are on the same wavelength okay. Well i'm about to deregulate because okay you see what happened. Is they gave. He gave blake the gold cross and they go away and then the ghosts are like oh they got the tin foil off and realized this is chocolate underneath. And that's what they come back. It was just a really piece of easter. What does this chocolate. I mean i'm not gonna kiss them waxy bosia now. Why six now really big guilt. So this has bananas. i do. Enjoy the cats one of the things that i joy about john carpenter movies. He always populates even the smallest roles with fantastic character actors. Yeah so everybody crackles in this debate. Which i very much enjoy. I love the fact. That janet lee i believe is married to buck lower for people that courtship go. You want a fun thing in the book. She had an affair with the character. Nick at some point so her until macintosh. Apparently can you know maybe forget his movie songs mustache and it's very strange. It's destroyed paralyzed the man the myth to mustache. Apparently michael cable has important. I took it. i haven't has. He has dom atkins mustache today. Which is why. I can't get there anything just looking at. I'm going. I think no because jay picks jamie lee curtis as a hitchhiker at the beginning of the movie and she gets in one the first thing system and just like something sure weird. If you had the mustache she would have been taken out instead. She waited five minutes. I mean work back to that gets in the car here. Hanser beer that coastal would sipping a beer different times things. I did not know about this movie. Which only watching. The one of the making of things last night was that there was an original cut of this movie that was really short and not scary at all and they were like everything scary. This print now was added. A month for the movie was supposed to hit theaters. The mortuary seen that wasn't any original cut adrian. Boult on the on the top of the lighthouse. And i'm not sure no the one up Dead body did vaughn. Jamie lee curtis l. differently them because both those scenes are missing from the book. And it's based on an including things that people don't like about the movie. I like it. Is that the fact that the opening credits go on for ten minutes but it sets everything up of what's happening now we wanna do the opening credits. Really slow so that it blows you. We're not going to be a fast paced movie right. What do you. What do you think about that first segment. I also don't like the beach the credits or both the stuff of the beach. I think is fantastic and i think it sets the mood edge. John houseman. You can't get a better storyteller true. Yeah he's barely awake. And he's nail in the story like get swept away instantly into this wonderful story and wonderful shop when he's done it just kind of pans up and you just see the coastline. This is good. This is good stuff. This is magical stuff. But then there's that whole thing that we learned about midnight till one belongs to the dead and there's always weird shit happening around round town that they don't explain and they take a long time with it. It's the whole opening credit sequences. I always kind of saw it as like. They can only really kill on that boat that first night. They couldn't really make it far into town. It was almost like they are reaching out and seeing what they could do. And it's just like flexing and it's something waking up. Think it is strange. I do. I mean i like this weird stuff happening. I'm going home importance. You want a town just wanna. Apparently this was shot near where the nineteen o. Six san francisco earthquake fault line was so quick. Everything in town is down. You get the fuck out now. nobody's listening. I ended up but it is weird. Like you have one hour to kill as many people as you can. and then you go home reverse. It's like reverse parenting okay. As soon as the street lights go off you have to be. I like the the opening sequence. I thought it was very. i mean. it's it's it's you said it was it sets the mood. It's very atmospheric and it sets up that this is normally a very quiet seat coastal town where nothing happens as as nancy. Loomis says the town sits around for one hundred years and then night the whole voice falls bar right and not things that could really kind of explain like a very localized earthquake. Nancy with mrs chair going across suddenly. It's like okay. Maybe your tv. There was a power surge but stuff like that. Your car start honking at once. All that kind of stuff randomly. The dogs start barking which actually went. That happened in the movie dog. Monkey doggie doo on the happy with that analogy as soon as it came out of my mouth majority to. Let's try that one again. She's like i can be louder winning. And when when halloween h two o came out much ado was made about jamie. Lee curtis and janet leigh appearing for the first time. Ever there in the but they don't technically have any scenes together. Never talk to john. Yeah they don't talk to me. Talk to me right now with my boyfriend moustache. I didn't just out of just got great sense of glee at the scene. Where was it on the boat where she's talking to no mustache and she's like now. Are you know where you are you. Are you me or you saw you pick me up. He's like why because weird things happened to me. And all i could think of was my psychopathic brother. Brother goes on a murderous rampage. Trying to kill me. It's not and then the best jump scare ever because it has the fake out. Few months ago we watched some crazy canadian movie about rats. You and i are god yes in that the to leads hook up and then he follows her around for the rest of the movie. Go to work and shit like why did you go to work with her. And then she takes his kid skip because of the point right now. But i'm doing the same thing with jamie lee. Curtis your one night stand honey. Means shits skin get town. Wasn't that good because it wasn't that long. Here's something else. I just something i realized. Okay for the last episode. I about the movie. Somebody's watching me. Which means that. These three movies happened succession. It was made. Somebody's watching me then. Halloween then the fog. And i realize these three movies have something. In common carpeted really short sexy. And there's a really start one in. Somebody's watching me which makes sense because it's made for tv. But halloween. right. At the beginning judith myers. Her boyfriend comes in he goes up the stairs. Like five seconds later he goes back down there done and she's putting his clothes on comes downstairs so he apparently undressed exactly redress. And this movie. Y'all tom atkins picks up jamie. Lee curtis this weird car accident after the car accident. Happened you here. Barbosa other radio as stevie wayne says its exactly twelve minutes after midnight here on kabc. So it's twenty minutes after midnight and then like the next thing that happens is at one pm. His with the ghosts are knocking on his door. Okay so oh. I didn't even catch that. that's hilarious. They dropped his place. They had sex. And they're like in the post-coital glow like not even boys called like way past that like she's got an art book out how they just had a car accident recuperation the are you care you care one way we did. Do you want me to take him taking all these and asking her name after the mustache they would've been going all night and everyone who knows given what they've become like. Where's everybody. it was mrs copa. Well the happens. What is wrong with this dj. She enjoyed that. He has like a carpeted purple side table for his radio and a grandfather clock because classic who else we got the movie okay. Of course i've we've talked around her but at the center of the movie. The glue faces together as edgier embargo as david wayne which. I didn't realize this was her first movie movie. Everything else was tv before this. Excuse me tv and broadway. Thank you very much because there was worse things you could do then i got nothing go with a boy or two i mean she eventually became cat woman so what to have sex with the guy with no moustache never overby fifteen seconds stevie nightlife. She's going from like six till till dawn. Stevie wayne goes all night much where i love this. I love this whole. I love the whole the radio station. And the lighthouse. Great setup. oh it is. It's great central it. Has you immediately know who she is. Who character is that. She is starting this station. It's she's flirting with everyone. But does it is not interested in starting anything. The bank moved due. West gauges must be wrong. I've got a wind blowing do east and what kind of a fog goes against the wind. I'm not so sure. I want you. You're just a voice on the phone. Wayne make perfect coming dinner tonight. I'm sorry dan. My idea of perfection is a voice on the phone. You have a strong female character with no romantic attachments whatsoever. Which is kinda cool. I just i just wanted to point out the oddity of the radio broadcasting station at the bottom of the cliff that also happens to have a view of the entire town except for those. That just bothered me a little bit. Like why walking down the stairs adrian. Three hundred twenty four three hundred and twenty four of them. take eighty-three. Yeah seriously but no. I think she's great she's greatness. She's fantastic. just wonderful. Smooth sounds cool. And she's fabulous fabulous that you really grounds the movie which it needs all these loose of his loose thread characters. Their stories on their own could have really pulled the movie through. No one could have sort of but then meeting the detective story. It's the one that is most noticing. Something's wrong for me. The my period of the movie is gently as the mayor enter bitchy assistant. I love nancy. Loomis has a characteristic in every voice. Everything's said sounds bitchy anyway. So this is the perfect. Yes ma'am yes ma'am yes meaning screw you my next project. Restoration that the morgantown wells cemetery. It's historical our ancestors are very long. Sandy saw that town should be proud of the past but trying to get anyone involved community affairs. Quarantine estimates ready for the council next month. Yes ma'am only person. I knew who can make. Yes ma'am sound like screw you. Yes ma'am by the way. If you want to find the game in the movie she is if you want more of that in the book which i'm gonna keep mentioning her and elizabeth which is jamie lee. Curtis this character actually meet up and start talking so when they see each other again at the church. Elizabeth is oh it's that girl. Yeah so in my head she sticks around moves in with sandy and they become a couple a in the book. Everyone's a terrible person except for sandy hook up with with the mayor. The mayor husband's dad stuck. Hey home yes ma'am that's my favorite well. Of course we have mark twain. Father exposition father exposition father malone coast and by the mark twain. I we were talking about. Oh yeah hct as he begs playing follow malone and i do enjoy a boozy priest movie because holland genetically busey one of my favorite exchanges of dialogue as of course between gently halbrook and hit him generally says. Are you going to give the benediction tonight. Antonio bay has a curse on we take that as a no sassy over it should just over this whole fucking down. Yeah so basically. The thing with him is that he's had which i don't really understand. His father was also a priest and his grandfather right. Did they ever say they were doing under. Do other people say father. The reverend past Right referencing liberal reference. The book fifty three cents oldness of good to get my money out of this. In the meantime the rest of us will move on with the podcast. I enjoy because i've known my altar boy servers plenty of time. Like what the hell else are. They gonna do. How the sectors booze status. There was a picture on facebook from hardness for second tara from nod of people. Like i don't know if it was thanksgiving or christmas or just saturday of like one of the brothers in the residents in front of a dining table covered with bottles of wine at church for lunch like my mother's like that's why sent him at school. They teach them right. Okay in the book. It does say reverend okay. Well he's focusing alone here and during the whole Portent of that happens. Giant rock at the the rockfalls out of the sky but it turns out it came from the wall at the level of his head. Right next to michael. That's because it wasn't iraq it was a rock lobster her. Oh everyone had had matching towels antonio bay. None of this would ever just going to say someone who actually has to deal with old paper a lot. That paper should have been a lot more fucked up by that. I know what they were working with the budget for under a million dollars for this movie. It looks good. It was written in sharpie. Does there's a mistake on the journal of father. William malone nineteen seventeen nineteen. Amy just brought another page. We don't have enough t to stain it. We already drank the dean. Apparently what i read. An i am the could from but when he starts flipping through it. If you posit one of the whole pages this. I went to film school for this. And here i am having a right bullshit in a book pussy pussy pussy beaver cleaver taking. Oh i have to go find that i like. Oh father got a cameo from from the director. John carpenter as well. Who do you know what he. His name is bennett church. He's supposed to be cleaning up for the church. What john carpenter's says has characters. Full name is is this in the book. Probably that could go find it. Bennett tremor. yes it's bench. Roemer ben traber. Was laurie strode. Was obsessing about in halloween and then got killed by car going to because missed that depending which france was franchise branch to go with a map at all. Choose your own adventure of this area. There's a lot like a nick. Tom atkins is name nick castle. Who was the guy who played. The michael myers in the first film. I think as well as another name. He's used before or someone. Its frequent executive producer. We brought that up on the. Somebody's watching me episode. That listen to know did. I am crap at name. Hey hey richard. Thanks for executive producing my film. I'm going to name the character after mother. It and character is named tommy walls as in tommy lee wallace who worked on this film and then directed halloween. Too and helmuth region and ways. Nancy lewis's for suspect. I think that's right. Yeah so yeah we get a little back story from. We figure out that this whole celebration. That's happening what's happening. What's what's going on with the celebration like the basic celebration. Not the story behind him to basic celebration that the people think is going on is that it is the town centennial when they actually became a township from just sort of a conglomeration of really drunk fisherman basically it. And there's a big hoop de doo. Tonight it's the twenty first of april. Oh my god everything. Just make sense about that. Opening scene now with john houseman. Okay because it's really weird. The kids are out at midnight on beach for this man telling him to go stories and i made a joke in one of the earliest recordings in that it just like after the camera pans off picture. Some mom popping up and being like Thank you so much mr mac. In maybe next time we could teach that we below tyson square nuts. I just realized if today's the twenty first of april the party was happening on four. Twenty mr mckenna's stoned holloway. Wait wait and a boat okay. And it was a fire. Everybody wooten guys smartness base. I'm ruining the movie little kids host for this scared we're any adults we're old and out at midnight and then there's there's the one kid hailed men's quit. Bogart joint on the seventies truly was the era of like free range. Children was. I grew up with mike took action park. For christ's sake. God has had to get ready for kids. If you have you from a pro-life family of action party died. So sad tangent tangent. Okay so michael. One actually happen. What's the true story. The true story is that one hundred years ago there was a leper colony nearby. And they blake the head or the leader of said who had the money wanted to share share with an exclamation point and jazz island off coast and they wanted to move nearby to this fledgling town. And the i guess. Six magistrate founders of said fledgling town decided instead of helping them to make that relocation they were gonna sabotage their schooner sink it and then go steal the goal which they did and here. We are one hundred years. Later and revenge is about to happen. Well here's something just thought of didn't didn't they say they didn't father exposition. Say that they used the gold to fund the towns and then later on they was someone he sold. Tension was to use it to make them township and build his church. That's how he was sort of brought into it but he was so wracked with guilt after the church was built. He's after he got what he wanted. Stole the rest of it melted into a giant cross so that magically only way but apparently he knows how to smith that and then hit it in the walls chocolate gold but they still found this but the town founding still went forward without the i guess maybe as soon as they had the church they kind of use that as leverage. It's not important. It's not important but it makes me go wait west. Well here's the thing no. Do you know that it's on its houston. I had her that i had heard that. Now that you mention it. It's the sinking of the. It's not the flirt. Oh it was a schooner it was like eighteen. O five and a half off the coast santa barbara and a little a little town just around there. This boat was originally. A an opium was was used for for bringing open from china. It wasn't doing that anymore but it was all these high end supplies to california gold rush era to sell to the people who had got rich so it was all you know. Chinese silks porcelain. And you know very very exotic things from china and boat a fire for signal fire. It was just a firefighter and they ran into rocks. Not everybody died. But the captain and crew got away and while the captain and most of the crew went to go for help six. The people stayed behind and when the catholic rookie back. The six people were vanished as was all of the all the movie. The thing is like all of their stuff was still there like all their survival supplies their clothes. Their blankets food water was all still sitting there. So nobody's wherever found so. It's been a mystery. What happened to them and john carpenter on the. Dvd says the people of the town stall the golden stuff the which according to the history books is not what happened because the area was not populated all except for native americans and for many years there was a certain point where people were researching be indigenous people of the area and they said why did these people have porcelain pots with blue flowers on it like you would have in china. How is happening together. Of course what this movie is taught us is that you can't trust the history books so nobody knows what the fuck cabinet because the first story is nearly there because he says it's not a campfire distracted them by acts like by accident finger quotes and they were sailors. There was no mention of when it's it's like it's one of those. It's the story but with the edges rounded and made all nice for toddlers tragic. There were coming to join us and they died and we celebrate their we commemorate their loss tonight even though we totally caused it. Yeah they have. Y'all did serve at y'all deserve it. Joy this person on the boat that happened with the three. I've seen is very creepy and it was. That wasn't that way at all and you original cut. There was no ghosts. There was no killings all implied everybody just disappeared into the fog was one of the problems with the movie. What's the fog. we don't get it right. The one guy staring out. There's no no there's a fog bank. I think my favorite part of that sequence is when they go out on the deck. And you just see the the sales of the schooner going by dan. That's good and it's like right there right there because sometimes that actually does happen. We're both come across an abandoned boat out of nowhere and like that just must be terrifying though and what i noticed i mean. What are the problems that the movie was was up. Moderate success and studio wasn't happy with it but they got caught the changing times the slasher boom was about to come in and people already had a taste for which is why they edit and all these extra scenes but also give credit. You don't see a drop of blood nope in any of these kill. You see a bit of a main corpse but that's about it. Yeah yeah and implied sort of shadowing. Yeah lots of gooey resources. What you find so much more effective. It's very effective. Because you think you saw it that you didn't see anything but now it missed. Its mark on that. I think one of the scariest one of the scariest kills was the weather guy at the weather station. Where i mean you saw blake's hand come in. You saw the weapon and then the next thing you saw was a shot from within and you all you saw was hint struggling in still losing her. Mind another here's another thing that john carbon stoop based on these three movies based on halloween. Somebody's watching me and this movie john carpenter likes people witnessing murders via telephone all all the well. It's not helplessness. Along with the fear. It's i know this is happening. I can't do anything. And she is like just trying to get him to close the door and he's just like oh no it's okay. Here's one of the things. I have to give her credit for that. She makes connections with people. That aren't there. You feel connections coming coming office. Tv wayne's character and you know none of those people were on set to feed her lines. It was some play or whatever but you would never has seen with her son and that just feels like really there. It's again like her job and her just communicate everything like you. Get one pan across these photos. Which shows like her and a guy and a baby and her and the guy station and then her alone buying this station and all that the because she's widowed she couldn't stay where she was because of the emotion of it. She's here she only has her son. Just we're on her one of the things that people hate about this movie and actually i used to not like it but then again i i. There's movie on. Hbo a million years ago. It used to run all the time. Now that i watched it on a much bigger screen. I really appreciated the cinematography in this film. Particularly all those scenes that people hate her driving to the radio station. Listening to the promos. The pro- the promo thanks and then that long. Walk down to the lighthouse that her only choice is to stay on the air. She can't leave to help anyone every frame and this is just telling you how alone and there's order to go. She's got three hundred twenty four steps to run up if there's a problem and is a problem and just looking at the sea like there's the shots of the are amazing with lighthouse with the c. Behind someone could dash. She's like all alone and the sees a smooth glass asshole take off her shoes and stockings and paddle advance joke number. Do place promoting michael. I a production of that in one thousand. Nine hundred seven plays vermont marjorie. Actually probably the last thing like fuck you. We love you okay. Back to the movie. Nobody told gorgeous gorgeous. Like the shots of the it does look like it's made out of glass. It looks like a painting and seeing it on the big screen. Ya'll that's what this movie was meant to be. A non teeny tiny nine hundred eighty s. Going along with that. How they got the fog to actually move. I was just gonna say. I thought the fog effects were extraordinary considering its nineteen seventy nine. This is the time before anything else. Like they hit you with fans and fog and models and knocking stuff out and one scene with reverse michael at some point and you'll fabulous career you to have worked in show with fog machines. You know how it's perfect is much much ruined out the show because nobody could see anything happen to the second getting a blast of that stuff in the face especially if they ran out of the regular shouldn't have to use like coconut. It's not good. No but what i learned. What i learned is that a lot of that stuff was done with miniature mini miniature scale of the town. You can't tell and so it was in a control buck so they were able to control how moved and stuff and i also love the story how they got the idea for this. Kiss john carpenter and debra hill. Were on a trip to stones. Oh and they said while they're niche over there off in the distance was just this huge fog bank. That looked like it was pulsing and it wasn't moving coach. Jock returned to debra and said what the hell do you think is in there. And that's a movie was born and that's move. Yeah and suddenly. We're in the pacific northwest. And there's a demon leper pirate ship. Sure but then again. What would happen if we took a piece of this. Had thing home and put it in a hot. We mess but what happened then. All things come from stonehenge. I'm so sad. I got a t shirt. That said a debra hill production and it just hasn't arrived so wanted to where it today. We'll fix you. Send me a picture of it comes before next monday. I have Everyone's a raging drunk in the book and it. Everyone is super mean in the book like they made the characters actually really nice and likable in the movie. Like you can kinda get elizabeth staying around with thick. Because he's a nice guy and it was the best fifteen seconds. I mean come on now as be good if it was. He has a carpeted side table. What more do you want. Nothing says class but like the weather guy is not even like seventies drunk like dredging all the time. That's charles ciphers. All his roles comes off like he's drunk now. Even even as sheriff loomis in halloween. He'd kinda has this drunk edgehill at least comes off as like nice in this It's a one major difference between the book and the movie is people are actually nice in the movie. And you want them to live in the book really There's one i can't wait for fifty years later. When it's the tout septa centennial. And they're doing a musical about red white and fun. That's what the fog remake should come on now. that remake is terrible. I saw the opening scene once. I didn't know what it was and then it started. I was like oh no. I lasted half an hour. Because i love selma blair. And she could do no wrong well now. She can't catch that paycheck girl. I hope it was worth it. Okay back to the movie where are we. I don't know it was on this recording. Or what but the best fake out. Jump scare on the boat when jamie lee curtis his character is talking to tom. Atkins and he's like telling this other story of something weird that happened and then walker just falls and you think that's the scare blueprint. Thanks map swab my bushman. She's like maps. Everything's been so quiet. You're like oh yeah. Yeah and then you just love when. It's just like the pacing and planning of a jump scare just like at the beginning. They took their time with tom. Atkins long story. That was kind of a rip off of the andrea doria. I've already figured stories little mary. Celeste to mercilus. What i was thinking of just not going marisa sorry. Thank you for correcting me. Tara tom you do know. None of that shit happened that that was just a story that your dad was telling you. Oh no other doubloon gone. You believed him all these years as a bullshits based movie. Maybe not who knows a doubloon saloon but also in that store you get a little bit of information of yet. People have been here their families. They don't leave because his dad was a fisherman in the same town. What else are you going to do in that town. Drink fish murder lepers. I don't know there's a store there's the church at an at an. Am radio station. That's all you can be the guy who cleans the store at night and drinks from all the bottles and puts it back. Which immediately made me cringe. No one's been in the store for four years and american tiles. Yes the whole day goes by. We have this mystery for me. You know with jamie. Lee curtis and tom atkins playing hardy boys. Nancy drew trying to find his missing friends on the boat that disappeared. Well the boat dispirit everybody on the boat disappeared and they find one of his dead friends. You know that was that second scare. I saw then is dead friends with this is guy who somehow has spent a week or more in the water. Even though it was one night he was already retaining them. He just had too much salt. The lepers just made it worse. Don't shame him so it's a lot of running around with them. And i do like to see it in the more basically because you don't know this until the credits roll by the doctor the mortician dr five. And he's the guy from assault on precinct. Thirteen john corporate stable back to and i liked that does this is great scary. Doesn't make any sense but it doesn't matter it's very easy comex. It does kind of introduced the concept of the camp down because when the corpse falls he scrawls three so it does reinforce that there's a number. We're going for here right right. And we'd already had that scene with adrian barbosa when the piece of wood i of was the gold coin. Turn to ted to mr machen. Give you any of those funny brownies. Yeah so we already have that one actually love. that's the interior now. that older. I realized that the scary voices reading the the rim of the mariner komo millstone extolled by governable. Thank you english degree. Wear when okay in the in the in the radio station when oh yes okay smooth jazz. Kabc thirteen forty on your radio. Dial ben plan. Yeah and there's the piece of wood. But when the water hits the tape recorder it goes punky and is the spooky voice talking. It's the rime of the albatross around my neck on millstone that's the rhyming agent mariner marina if prefer to pull a in the book then goes on to you. Hear what they're saying when the ship was crashing okay. I don't know if that's more of it. Because it's like damn them all. They plundered us for godless state. Curse you norys. Can you not hold her steady. Still from that poem or not. It sounds the same. Maybe it just it continues around the albatross was but maybe i don't know about the rest of it. What happened we still. We could still both be right. Because when the shipwreck they could've been having your poetry readings. It's a poetry slam a lepers. There that still have finger snapping. That's a myth doesn't cause your fingers all a mess. Yes we would take that. Take that whole slow time with tom. Atkins story and lows you into that sense of security. It's just wonderful. Close up as close as zana but that censorship going by light keeps going back across face. The slow kind of hypnotic thing getting you own the transit listening to his spooky story and then you get the jump scare and your big. It's over and then get corpse on facebook but yeah it's during that scene when when the when the talking about the rampage mariner is that we find out that six died and we hope that that was the whole piece of we didn't have like one hundred twenty cents whole number on it was broken off. We don't know it did. Just say dane not the elizabeth. Dane taylor dayne. It was long. Islander beat skeletons the wreck of the taylor day kind of go for any sex. Were not that picky. Who's keeping count great to kill someone. All god quarterback put her back quarterback. Sorry guys are bad. sorry. Mrs colbrad came off car. One of my favorite shots of the movie to out there are several. Is one of those early seeds. Where st is figuring out that there's something weird about the fog and she looks she's looking out and you just see. It's starting to approach town. It's just a gorgeous shot like you got the described sky over the town and the coast. The fog will be. It's just a gorgeous lake. Oppo shot at. It looks so good at a big screen now. live great. Big rate was gorgeous. But that's a lot of stuff if it's not really a larger screen you lose a lot of the that it has. I learned watching stand. But there's a lot of things like that makes me happy one of the things i also really enjoyed. Watching some of the bloopers steph. Was that the anything with hal. Holbrook was that gently and nancy. Loomis could not stop laughing. never blah. they made out. Do you have like the newer release of it. Show factory did now. 'cause mine's an ancient dvd. So i don't know if they've added new things or not they have it. I am not one of those people that run out and buy a dvd. Every time or blue ray. Ladies like if i got it i've got it. I know there was the new friday the thirteenth stuff. All of that got no i wanted. I wanted the three d. brand. But that's okay. We got nobody cares. Nobody but still a gap fox. It's very pretty. But i have it. Yes we have a whole day of reprieves. For some reason i just go with. They can't be out in daylight. Whatever they come with the night. I think can also have been the hour that the planning of their dunes. Whatever they're on their own schedule. We'll we'll kill you when we want. You don't know you don't get to tell us when we come. You're okay you had your chance one hundred years ago all right now but you're right. We talked about this does seem to be inefficiency and how these logos are going about their killing plan. We know they have to kill six. They don't go to the most populated area. Where there's big celebration centennial. celebration is. They're picking people off on the outskirts. Go after the lonely antelopes. Or are they going after six specifically of the people who wronged them or would like descendants of the town. 'cause i as i mentioned before was like then why are they going after a kid from chicago. Right low key knows what he did. He knows what he did. He murdered his father. Look now now now on my watery grave. I just have assigned that taylor dayne. We want back. That's why they're going after the kid. They want the rest of their sign. We want to give me back. Fricken safe i do. I think that would have added a little genus equal to the film. If like it was a specific six they were going after. I also liked it because they can't be like okay. I just moved here. I'm fine right. I mean one of the other like are they going after. Are they just taking random six people or are they going after six pacific people. I would like to think that stevie wayne save the town like everybody because apparently everybody in this town listens to one radio station because wherever you go. She's on that again. With that voice. I listened to her to the music was cool. We can't afford rock music so we're gonna play this. We can't afford actual released songs. We're fighting with the fcc. Just deal with what we have and she interrupts in the middle of musical phrase to be like listening to push something on and she's like one second and we'll be still going. You're not gonna turn me off because there's no other stations in town. Darlings get used to it. Yeah i mean. I don't mind the minister ever because it would take the stress off the people that were there and it would take the stress on six people but whenever they're working they're working on their own plan there. They're going on their own plan. We don't need to know all right when you need to know when we're gonna kill you you will now. We only got a couple of hours for this. Like do this is going to go. Sixers are we'll be here all all month to kill people we don't know but all works all works. I just enjoy that if they are going for a specific six than co brits was one of their founding fathers. Mrs mrs colbert's was there. Mrs colbert's was there she was. I've always said all this was. Mrs cobras fault. I know just hanging on mrs gobert. Maybe cost the way. She says she sounds like she's empty. From from the lose. Your windows your windows terrible. I am the whole finale of this is great to the the the dual showdowns at the church and the radio station are great. Both of them are very intense. And the fact that the one radio station wasn't there is amazing because they're when after the weatherman gets killed and she goes into survival mode but for the town. She's like screaming out instructions. Like the fog over here. The fog's of guys stay out of foul. She's and she's screaming. That microphone like a crazy person. Because he's doing all that and then she looks up and that fog just rolled over that rock and just her face frozen face. You look fucking gorgeous. But it's that important for i'm terrified. Scare them attention. And you're not getting out. Yeah yeah. I love the show down in the church. Or the when father exhibitions and comes out with the twenty pound cross of solid gold. And you see just like good call more musical theater about him and you see the you see a leper ghosts in the pews that information. That shot is gorgeous and terrifying and really the fog role in. Oh yeah everyone gets position which position backlit gatto kyuma's Read all this stuff with them. Crashed through the windows again. It's all like old school comic book. Neither dead feel to it. Classic stuff and then i also like on top of the juxtaposition of that classic night of the living dead cancer. The window horror sheds this showdown between the priest and blake is very human right. It's a discussion even though black doesn't seem like but the is very much just like it's me about my lips. No i just like that for as supernatural clinical supernatural as they are. They're actually like they can be related to like that. I thought those neat we are here for a reason. The goals here you got it. We're here for your for a reason. I know your reason. And i'm going to try and fix it. You didn't even change your name. How many malone diminish goddamn family. What's thanksgiving like. Hey william can you pass them past the staffing. Sure william. thanks it's like heather's but with williams and they're all priests her whole fight on the on the roof and a good hunk of that was shot in reverse to make the fog. Look like it's going away. Yeah when the fog. There's no way to make fog disappeared so they had to shoot it in reverse like. Don't blink apparently blinking gives away when they had a clip about john carpenter and asia. Saying like you think you have to go through all the emotions go through all the emotions but in reverse now tap. Meanwhile my roof rested the second time. I said that because tell magazine was telling you stories. There's a tin cup. Rusted presidential ironic. I also like to is when he hands off the gold. And this is just because it's the seventy s and it's special head and everything starts blowing. It's the same blow that all the muses had into the movie sand. Judge roy escape is gene kelly. I'm making this movie. Cheering only like olivia. Everyone else sucks. Okay so this is. The podcast for hornets already talked about finding my gaze in the movie. And i said yes. It's it's it's it's it's generally the couple i want to have happen. I definitely definitely definitely nancy was. She's after she's after miss thing i'd like to see them get together after this is over. Let's blow this down and go start a farm that race parkas would happen. What would happen if leprosy were. Okay also all think they are. I mean there were no women. I what exactly because we know would. No women goes because it have wigs along eyelashes lives and what their leaders name. Blake cake k. One hundred years supernatural. Rsvp cruise has another tip off everywhere they go everywhere they go even at glowing abel's like everywhere everywhere they go there's falls there's win and his weird lights johnson say is in the fall to stay away from the fog close to death. It create party doesn't start told me and it's actually is actually photogenic. Proved photogenic back. This up stuff into the movie because okay. There's this after the fifteenth sexy that we say we don't say where one of the ghost is knocking on tom atkins door which is terrifying. I love the fact they've been didn't didn't knock with weapons like we're not even going to pretend we're just here to murray be hoax in cycles. I love that. I also love it. They're polite so they might be gay. Canadian lepers pacific northwest. Who knows where the border was at that point. It wasn't as california. Wasn't this day but it's knocking on the door. And he comes out when the clock strikes one and that's when they're our is up and you see the shadow at the door. It kind of does the snack put almost like the shadow blows away. It's like high girl exit stage left. It's a very dancey move. Okay here's my question in the nfl. Somebody's someone's watching me. The full title was someone's watching me exclamation point which by law means it should have been a musical. Yeah musical who would you go straight to hell. In a musical of the thinking is blake. No-no mandy patinkin is as as as john house and in the beginning. That has to be a whole aria. Twenty we got. Who's blake. I'm thinking of esoteric new york actor. It's like that's not that's boring okay. Fine here's mine. Who do okay. Go hit steve you he. I'm steve carrell cherry. I catch my sean. Oh another version. This is the film noir risks and mrs ghabra or is or is she the janet leap part but i liked it. That is a missed opportunity. My stupid talk bog elgin. What does that tell me. My son is trapped. My started strap my son. My son is trapped. Let's think we've done. I think we've done the phone short. Go watch it just great. Pledge the podcast. Yeah you're never going to be able to watch the without hearing carol channing. Eddie davis mandy patinkin. Want bette davis is like the old lady and a horror movie. Go watch burnt offerings. I see ding dongs already covered actual line in the movie michael. I'll get right. Yeah yeah talk about all the food. That's in the refrigerator. We don't say if the kid grabs. Betty davis handles. I think ding dongs and ding-dong bette davis is like that's not quite. What expect is that. What you're calling this vacation michael. Where can people find out more about you and do you have anything going on anything at all on nothing. I'm sorry no next year next podcast. I'll have something to say. You sure you sure you sure you don't. I made boom boom. I'm good put on pants. That is that a challenge for all of us at every day brought on by tara. What's going on with the aware of people by wait a minute. You had a friend who had something. Cool a plug do you. Yes she her name. Is emily block. This is her third year doing a horror. Calendar the if you go to india gogo and just type in you got red on you. You'll be able to find it there. The calendars are already printed. So if you order them you are getting one. It's not like she's doing the campaign to raise the money to print them. They're done and she's had before like tiffany shepherd arna model for her. I think she might be in this year as well and this year her cover model is the eighty eight action star. Cynthia rothrock so again Indigo you got red on you. Twenty twenty one. It's fabulous. I have to applaud your friends optimism. That we're gonna make twenty twenty twenty one twenty county. Is she canadian to she is but she currently lives in san diego so flawed that kind of ultimately i feel haven't looked my friends selling calendars and like the one i heard has still in february. Why why bother changing all right. Thank you very much for joining me. Michael and you as well tara. This has been a lot of insane fun and before we go just want to say one thirty. Both happy be halloween. Comedic here channing. I can't divorce neither too ride. My beautiful eatable screamers lengthy once again extend a huge. Thank you to mr michael. Kailahun and mr gardner for helping out with john carpenter martha talk at all about the fog. That was cool and by the way if you missed that link the targeted for a friend. That's doing that hora calendar. It'll be right down there in the show notes right there and you're listening device does lay goal. You mentioned all all be down there. They'll all be down this before we wrap. I just wanted to say a few things just because as this year gets weirder. Halloween gets closer. It's going to be weird. Halloween like no other election days immediately. After that i the amount of uncertainty and stress has gotten to me and that is why. I made the executive decision not to do that. Front razor us thinking about. Not now once i get working on an episode and the juices flowing i start. I tend to bite off more than i can chew and given where i am right now given how hard it is to get through my day. It's not a good time. I'll come back and look at it again in december so and by the way if you know anything about streaming with twitch and how'd you fundraisers on twitch. Please let me know because that's the kind of help we're going to need. I just didn't have to put it all together in time. And i had to step back and say patrick. You're already stressed out. This is not the time to put more undue stress on yourself. Chill out relax this plenty of time to freak out tomorrow. Plenty a freak out about tomorrow so sunday night right now about ten o'clock and Smooching hanging out watch tv in pizza. Actually watching this joe biden. I will vote fundraiser concert. And it's really been cool. What i wanted to say about it though. Is that before. And if he started. They just had joe. And jill biden on there were just hanging out and talking with george lopez and ana navarro and jill was just telling the story about their first date and how they met and it was a corny silly story and they were giggling elbowing each other and blushing and it was utterly charming and it struck me. I can't even imagine. Our current occupant of the white house having a conversation with his wife. Like this or anybody like this just being this relaxed spring this silly. It's being this human and it made me realize how much i missed that. Not just in the white house. It just mean in life because for those of you out there who are quarantine for somebody. That's a gift. Is i said a million times. I've been going through this alone enough for miss mucci and just to have sees someone having met kind of connection in the midst of all of us kind of came. Hope that maybe we'll all be out of it soon. I'd gotten so accustomed to living in this weird. Sanitize envelope devoid from all human contact. It's not on through a plexiglass screen or zoom window. That forgot what felt like to see people connecting live in real time and not in a movie or tv show. And i don't know what things are gonna be like when the next episode rolls around. That'll be november. Election will have happened. And i just kind of feel. We're hitting the tip of the iceberg of troubles. Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse before they get better and it worries me. Which is why i'm going to urge you one more time vote. If you're thinking sitting this one out. This is not the time for complacency harp on that anymore. Ready i've said enough on that. And i feel if you still need to be prodded. Nothing's gonna move you but just in case. Hey you out there. You actually count. Your voice actually matters and lives are at stake so i mentioned back in september. I have this little box of ideas for months and themes of moms for upcoming centrist. The podcast and for november. I'm not pulling one from it because the decided this awhile ago with this amount of stress horror is not where i wanna be. I think we're all going to be stressed out enough. And the next few weeks that maybe straight up horror isn't the way to go so i'm going to be talking about some comfort movies. November is comfort month. It goes with it. Goes with thanksgiving right. That whole you know steph your face pie till he can't move with familiar things. Opi mashed potatoes turkey. Nothing exciting but i'm going to eat lots album cousins familiar so going to stick sticking with comfort movies so i'm not sure what order it's gonna happen is it. Depends on lining up my guests. But i no one is going to be clash of the titans from whatever year. That was one thousand nine hundred thousand nine hundred eighty two. I don't know what harry hamlin and everybody and all the ray harry house and stop motion animation. It's horror jason. They're monsters men in loin costs and those are two of my favorite things put together. I wanna maggie smith. Free of my favorite things put together. Get the fuck out of clash of the titans. And the other one that we're gonna talk about is abbott and costello the time of their lives. Which again is our jason. Since about ghosts. Lou costello was a ghost haunting his revolutionary war. Home trying to scare bud. Abbot our of it monitoring and it's a family favourite a warm comfort spot for me. It makes me go numb and so we're going to be. I know i'm going to be talking about that with. Listen josh from bloody date night. But what sort of the coming in. I do not know yet but they will both be happening next month so anyway before we wrap up i need to say thank you to my cohorts and crime and i'm talking about you over there at squad cast. Fm squad catches the place for remote recordings for professional broadcasters. This session with mike antar was indeed recorded with squad cast and as you noticed. I dropped my bring light onto my audio mixer up disconnecting. The squad cast connection if i had been using a lesser service. 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Everyman Show 2018 Episode 43

Everyman Podcast Show

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Everyman Show 2018 Episode 43

"Episode is brought to you by prophylactics prophylactics a word that's not commonly used anymore, but a great way to describe condoms. Prophylactics? Let's use that word again a little Rondo angle. Antifa lactic. As a big word, man. It's hard to say, I'm telling you, can we say this shit a day. Cool. Sounds funny. Yeah. The New York. I love this cash. Rules, everything around me. Cream get the money. The only way I feel like for me. It's more like. Dream. I feel like I believe in the freeze dream, the Leary snus rules, everything around delusion. Yeah. I might be about I'm more more of a dream. Yep. Yeah. For sure for sure I believe in that model more than I do cream right now. Welcome everybody to episode forty three of the every man show. I'm your host, John every may sit with this is a lighter Kasmin compared to the last few weeks. We've had but a cast nonetheless got Matteo haven't seen you in a bit. Are fairly sound guy? Noodles sea bass in the building. Walter, walter. Boy, you look like you just enjoying that TV there. You don't even like sports. No. But it's probably the most entertaining thing going on in here already. Okay. All right. And sitting with us we've already gone through women's month. I think I had a great time. Having a bunch of women here. It was fun. I enjoyed every single one of them. But now we're going to get back to. Are you regular schedule show, and we're going to get back to just having plano, guess I random and you're the first one out of the women's celebration month extravaganza. We had your first normal guest. If you will say. Say what you're saying? I really want to a moment. It wasn't normally went to recent enough. I think to exit gracefully from this. I should I was getting there. I was getting there. I was trying to put myself out of it for the second. Not just keep not in your head. Don't even make sound effects anything yet. But say with us, we got some hip hop again in the house got another hip hop artist owed at she you Don that I say, right, man. Is it just all dodgy Joe? Dodgy job data. Okay. J A H Odachi, which would be Gottschee spoiled that spell dodge. Like saying, oh that she, you know. Oh, the okay. Okay. Now, you just messed me up dodging this John dots Jaro dodge Hiba. All right. But we got John houseman. How you doing brother happened to be president? You know? The Dan sunny spud, not a crazy, man. I I've seen it shows man, I've seen you do some don't pass work. Got a lot of energy on stage. When I had the chance to bring you on for this episode Mannasseh. I know this guy's got something that special, you know, when it comes to hip hop. You know, I know we see a lot of rappers out there, and they personalized, but yours just doesn't fit that every day. Hip hop personality that you see out there. You know what I'm saying? And I was excited bringing you on the talk about that. But before I even do man, let's start into some crazy. I just wanna make this mention alright P Takeo D. Yeah. Right. I heard about that last night. Yes. King of diamonds, the famously known strip crop across all America, or at least people that listen to hip hop in America or anyone listens to hip. I've heard Kate O D king diamonds. It is no longer the they leave how many songs he'd think they inspired like like God damn how many hip hop. Bye. Mike all the don't. Mike all the don't talk about them again kicked in the face with us. We watch it into the fakes. Yeah. We we have these sports clips in the background. I didn't know that we had Emma may all of us thought, I was watching basketball highlights. But now we just got people kicking him in the face. Now. This kid just got robbed. What's his name? He just got just got rocked and UFC two twenty nine by by Tony Ferguson. Tony Ferguson, full them up. It's like anything goes in. Makes all mine. Golly. Do there's very little bare knuckle boxing league yet. That's like that backyard. Brawling not even have an octagon. There's no gloves look at that. Rock your whole fucking world. Mantis forgot all his plans for next week. Stuffy did last week. But yeah, man, kale. The is no longer. I say little Wayne did about half an album using cayote. References could have is this in place, though. King of diamonds sees the office. Have you got did you guys ever get to go to Kennedy the body? It's no longer the office is the body the body. Now, they changed the one over there. By Kenyan diamonds Kildee to the office or the body. See people people that are listening to us. You know, king of diamonds sat right around where there was another huge strip club because king of diamonds was huge. But this one tutsies down the street. They have what was called the office. You're seeing is called the body. I was like like the area. I was like the the strip ground playground like being parks like all next to each other. You know, when you go to Orlando, and you got like three being parks all like next to each other and shit. That's what it is with king of diamonds other strict clubs around when you go to king of diamonds on the same day, that's colleague when you go to magic kingdom, and you go to Epcot yet. They should have like a park. Hopper for like strip clubs out here. I paid for the all day pass and Tootsie and cayote like how do they do how they do the bar crawls discounts to anyway. This. But you know, what I did go to Keio D. But not when it was killed e- when it was known as a something else like another name before like, it was short lived and shortly after when I went they turned into cayote that places fucking huge. Like you got lost in there. You couldn't see all the strippers in there. Even if you had the whole day, it was just like humongous humongous you ever went to at least. None of you guys. I got the neither to the first time I ever got denied and only time with a fake ID. Was that lemon pepper Wayne? Let's say shrimp and grits though. Just watch football. We're booty in the background. It's awesome. Really? It doesn't distract you there. Little butt cheek near a field goal or something. Titi popping up. Like in the fourth quarter. I guess I hear people talk about the food. I never been there is there like a table where you can bars. There's you comfortable with eating out of strip club. I can't I've never done only fried food. I'm not gonna have a fucking strip club. I'm not gonna have a salad there. I mean, saying like, listen, if they put all these health code hazard violations since I've restaurants like they want you wear inherited chain beards and fucking wash your hands. Every five seconds, you touch doorknob type of shit. They put these rules for like employs on restaurant. You've got but as naked women walking around with their G string in their hands. Still. Not going to the back of a kitchen walking back out with a plane. Like this something wrong. I would think with the sanitation codes inside a strict club cooking food. I'm not with it. I could not eat. I don't know. I think there has to be like, and I mean, I've well eleven I've been to eleven kitchen and that's separated. Ain't nothing. Good ever happen. Eleven eleven is like, we're all the characters. Invent that thought. Oh, vida. Now. Eleven out a couple of like popping events what strip clubs. Looking at this is that the case this is at the cayote. Yes. Crap at girls all the book served us ole cayote is way. Really y'all her court Joe phenomenal. She should have been a gymnast if we're being I mean, she is a gymnast, but she saw what paid more. Fuck it, Dan, you let's get this. She. She. Drills her. No question there in that video there their bodies. Look at that. And she just passed it. All right, y'all. She got trusting that all my g-. Somebody have a hand cannon gun like for t-shirts and just put money in your holy shit. Whatever NFL player if making another NFL flav. Oh my God. Look at her that that's the scary movie. Two on my gosh, stripper that all my God. That's scary. Trippers armies. All the way open. Doc that was like twelve as she came. In fact, she was like at least at twenty miles an hour down. I mean, I it should be given. But she has the Yeats. Makes what's. That's that's the crazy. Booty cheeks. Never heard of that. Fact, you'll have. Good. Bye. But you know, what man what's what's Chipper made her name over there in Canaan, Cody. There was one of them up that black China. There we go I guess noodles does know is history or strippers. Oh. I'm not a fan of tiger Petach has the best voice for the club of any rapper damn near ever fucking annoying for club, strip club music, or voice is fucking perfect. Like wreck city doesn't say God damn thing. With the voice to sounds cool for no retry. That's true. I could see that. Oh, what's she doing? What's on? Do. You guys. Think is the number one. Strict clips on that gets played. Juvenile back. Then ASO I could see that. Oh, or new music news. Bog greasy? Announcers different. No, I've never heard of bog greasy east from here. He's a local guy. Mcgann booty Tinton video with the dude he's like real tiny like little like this. But the acids are full size. Clubs are weird. Open this week airline. The Nickelback and shit. What's that? Nickelback song. Harry is like. Can you take me home? We all wanna be big rocks. Oh god. With the show here for the nickel. Ciba's left on that one. Stop on me fucking love Nickelback mind a man. So I know it's been a couple of days or ready. But the the elections were done this when this Wednesday just Tuesday. Are you are you democratic Bill was good picking? Your dog was good. This wasn't hip hop. It was about politics. We tricked you in folk with either. Logical what? But vote though. No, okay. Oh, what are some people that didn't get there's you know? That's what you're doing. Maybe one of your voting ballots inside one of the boxes boxes. Yeah. Apparently. I mean, we're still in a recount here in Florida. The man gen extended time, which is what is going to get fires. Hey. Florida's bill. On account. Let me ask you guys. Do you think Florida embarrassed self in this process yet again or just something that we you know, they will expect it from us? I don't know. What happens? So I can't answer that question what we miscounted cow shit. I wouldn't voted. But I do goddamn thing. I agree. I agree. I think I think I think Florida's just embarrassment again with the voting system. I don't understand what goes through their bills. Airport on Trish. Stratos too many hands in the pot. Something spills and everything it wasn't me. Yeah. I think it turns into this. To like everyone wants to just. Put their name on some more Tut some inside his ballot system, and they feel that this guy shouldn't win it in the create these systems politics is wannabe. Big rock stars liberty hill. Liberty hill drought. Fifty. Let me ask you guys did any of the ballots excite you first of all the Jeevan understand the ballots. I'm not gonna lie with some of them. I got confused. We know you're not literate yet. But I'm sorry as literature as I could be I understood some of that Bertie. Did you know, what do you know, what a homestead exemption means that you don't pay taxes of to a certain amount on the first preview. Yeah, we'll get you. You don't even own a house. That's impressive Matteo now too. Fun at your freedoms love ocala's through the four four four. For daisy. But okay, what ballots excited you guys? Then what what that got passed it? We'd make it yet. We did two years ago. We did the medical. Fellas. Get to vote against this. I got my rights back. Yes. You do vote depends level the crime. No sense offenders, though, merch wreck are I'm good. Yes. So you're you're you're good to vote, which I agree. I think that's the one that excited me the most the fact that felons get a chance to vote, or at least certain failings of those who nevertheless people trying to give it aside surveys. I'll tell them I don't have that cop out. Any jury duty now. That's a good question. I don't know if something like that comes up because they didn't mention that. But you know, what I think what's going to happen? Not this laws passed for the felons. I think it's going to dramatically change the court systems. I think these judges are going to treat the criminals a little different because those are their future voters. I don't think and the Circuit Judge is get voted in. So what I mean, they're not going to be acting like Dicks knowing that you might be the reason they may not have a job the next year doubted us one vote John or they could act like such dick down one every hour or one every thirty minutes like where they could just be such digs that now they give this felony. So that you can't vote anyways. Like with with the law things can always be again. But only if you've committed murder or your sex offender, this will not apply to you. But everything else you're in the good you understand like if you were habitual offender and all you do is still car radios. If that's even still a thing, and you got caught up for that. And you know, you're in there, and you did your big you still allow the vote. You know what I mean? Now. Now, the thing that I don't think you're bid you're not going to vote for them. Anyway, that's what I'm saying. So the judge not place into the judges mindset, though, you know, what I mean like what if this guy wants to get the job or not? So then can people vote from just like you're saying that it might make judges Akmal rational towards people. Right. I got I was in a fucked up situation. The judge I had was given max because she had a bet with another judge who could get the most years before the retired what it was actual scandal in Orlando, SRI Gould, and I lucked out. I didn't get the five because she got taken off the bench right before that not jail though. They just moved her to like another court where she couldn't give but any Liu. So you're saying that because judges have to take into account. Oh shit. I might give disguised five to ten years for some bullshit. And now when he gets out of jail or prison, he's not gonna vote for me but five or ten years that judge even going to be there. So I don't know. I mean, they do they do get voted back in. You know, if you if you lasted two or three years that fourth or fifth year, you have your job because I got it's coming right back out. And that was the question. I wanted to ask you do you guys know why you're in jail you still allow the vote? No. So why you're incarcerated cannot fully. I'm gonna go with the heart. No, I could be wrong. But I'm going to ask questions somebody we do. But we're our fact checking skills like semi-in here on the summer over our fact checkers in here. Actually factually for the right? We're going to you know, what let's just move on to all that they don't even like it when I get political in your they turn around and they start making signals here. I hear politics and religion or things you should never talk about at a table or something stupid people. And there's a lot of people here. Agreed. Yeah. I mean here or here yet. Tells not talking to me though here on earth. Yes. So that she man. Let's, but let's make it about you. Then for here. Forget all these other random topics on coming up with where you from man, Miami Dade County born raised got through five rapper, and I keep calling you hip hop artists and rapper. But is that the case for you? Am I acknowledging you correctly, that's the aspect? So that's why I'm not like saying anything. But I think I do a lot more things inches of rapper make music you more like an artist then all around. I'm art like walking talking are because I feel like I am an expression of myself. Right. You guys see me calm here. People that are listening to me or even like pressure buyers. You know, and there's so many avenues that you can express yourself from your style to your meeting artists as it is rapper painting or cooking. Let's just put about is going to be gathered by nunc. Exactly, you know, even as categories myself as Artem still kind of putting myself into. Humid start us than star miss manners. All of this in this cosmic soup of shit. And just another part of that. I feel like material sometimes gets to that point where he says, he's not anything in particular of space fit shirt. I'm with you there for some reason. But you know, what I'm not. I've been noticing that a lot of especially with the artist we've had sin in here. I've gotten that they're not one specific genre anymore. I'm noticing that. I guess this must be a thing for artists overall. You're no longer this one Jonrowe, you know, like, I'm not a hip hop artist. Not a. ADM artist. I'm just an artist while cookie if you buck while cook coca-coca Cup if you. Sure. Sure, that means I don't know if he has got to be first. I. Do you agree with that? I think so you guys agree with that. I mean as a comedian every time I see most comedians, I say, they're comedians. They don't move around saying they're artists. Well, yeah, you say something. I dislike commercial what they are on the comedian. But then if you say, well, do you like to cook do you like to do this, those are other avenues and a lot of people put themselves in boxes? Look I like to cook. I'm not one of those creators where you are every time. But I don't Doug myself as some sort of like artistic chef, you know, like that's just a hot in my mind. You know, where comedy is where my avenue is my wheelhouse. Just because I picked up a Mike and I decided to wrap doesn't make me rapper or even an artist. I just did it for the sake of comedy through former hip hop, you know, but I'm seeing that I'm seeing that that seems to be a trend right now that everyone's no longer any specific type of orange. You're just a performer man, you just do whatever, you know, you create there. I think that's starting to be the thing. And I'm assuming that you must agree with that. I do maybe because people are values myself. As an example as I've grown as an artist. I've made it there for indices there afraid they can't hear it on the right, right? But there were taken Martin quotations. Yes. So as as. I find that stuff expression. So as I've become more comfortable with that. I find more with myself and. They're broadens the amount of avenues and versatility comes in. I'm with male John do believe in hand jobs for the homeless hand jobs for the whole. But from who from volunteers from volunteers. Yeah, I think so I'd be interested to see volunteering. Well, that's where it gets interesting. But if it could manifest itself. Yeah. I mean, why not these homeless people are stressed out? I don't think they'd even acknowledge it again, hand jobs who doesn't. Insane person. They're the ones that Jag off on the Metro Rail shit. You think realize jerking off though, I don't know. Maybe not you know, what I mean if they don't give a funk yet. But like, but do you even notice like, okay? Yeah. You don't give up, but you realize you actually masturbating maybe they maybe this is like I use ab- consciously aware that you're doing this is really fucked up to say, but like from a comedic standpoint like maybe they think they're invincible like nobody pays attention to them. So they just invisible all the time. So they're just like, no one sees me. I'm gonna jerk off in the metro. And everyone's like, oh, okay. So I mean. May maybe bro they feel like no one sees them. And they take literal. I think I think you're right. Maybe can you imagine possibility both for let's say you're homeless for thirty years and you're living on the street, and nobody looks at you. And then it might become too. You just like maybe fucking visible. Maybe this is what's happening. Like lynn. There's perks like Jergen Alvin the metro head has to because you know, I can't really you know, what? Now now, he's meant that. I really can't think of a crazy person saying, hey, I need to go behind a Bush today in jerk off watching people like I need to people watch in masturbate today. If not I'm gonna go crazy. Like, that's not that can't be. I didn't even know. Oh, wow. We have a Batman signing batmans in the building. Yes. But oh that she meant. So. Yeah. Yes. I see that. Now, man, you guys are are more artists rather than any specific culture. But in doing that, do you guys feel that we're losing the hip hop culture world because if you become an artist, then it must be transcending the people. They don't know whether they're they're listening to a rapper now or like what's his face. Does that post all doesn't even say he's a rapper both alone? Post. Post looks like he deserves to be cooking at Burger King. That's out does her. But now, I feel like I feel like I don't know if we're going to be losing the culture. Now, I don't know if we're going to no longer have hip hop. I think it's just Lucien moments of Aleutian in music of Aleutian of society. Like think about it. It's going to be like a well people you got people who like don't need record labels anymore. So they don't have to shape like shape shifts themselves into a specific category. And now, they have independent rights, and you think like social media and YouTube, and you build your own brand you don't necessarily have to follow like the cookie cutter format that you would before. Right. It's always just a reflection of the times are in no one even drops. They don't even call them albums anymore. They call them projects and shit and your project. No, that's an EP. I wanna make movies, but I go call. What are you going to call him? Short phones experiences. That's. Filmed experience. Or why not just call them? Like visuals. Shut the fuck up. They will get to the point you guys ever seen the chronicles Riddick. Yes. Yes. I think it's the second one where like you could they could see the person's last thought. Like, so someone like I like there's like these. Let's say robots, right? I don't remember like these monsters, and then like the they're kind of like the security of this village. I faintly remember this. But essentially there's like you don't wanna fuck with them. They'll fuck everybody else out there huge. But then these people kill him. Right. So in order for them to see who killed them. They record everything. So they can like after he's dead. The bodyguard is dead. They can go back into his memory and see who killed them because it caught his last memory wasn't that the talking about the minority report. Now, I'm about chronicles Riddick, bro. Whatever I don't point is. It's a technology that will pretty much like let's say you could you're born you have this chip instilled in your head. And then when you're fifteen or ten you can just go back into your memory and see your first memories. You didn't remember as possible because the brain is like that you're talk. I think it might be. I'm saying how far away are. We like do we think that that? That could be realistically diner. And I mean, I think right now they can move fingers and pets together hearing and all sorts of things. So I think with another entering the biggest time of like the study of brain like right now, we're about to like, we're studying the brain. We've never been able to cause technology like we were limited. So what we can get. Now, we're like learning more about the brain than we've ever learned before we're going to end up doing we're going to we're going towards what they call it. Now nanotech little digital shits fucking make they do whatever for you. They enter your body build a car with that you can eat the fucking that'll take and get full nanotech is like the wave of the future for shit like that. Let me ask you then with hip hop. Do you notice a difference? What people are just I guess music, general D-Notice, what people are talking about stuff is different nowadays subject matter. I hear that. But I think that that's part of what hip hop was to begin with. You know, it was a change in in the contract of how we view things it was it was something different. It was something that was changing, and it's changing constantly and some people don't buy with that. But I think the core of the community kind of understands like yoga there. I agree with it or not that's still part of the community. Then we'll be able to do is that they try to hit up into the booking conservative or liberal with people like that the real hip hop. Another people. This is real hip hop. That's like when you're talking about like conscience rep shit, right? Because there's people like, oh, that's like that's like you audience. Are you know play with car in today? That's not really a buff. This. We'll have you fucking up when you put the labels on eight actually. It actually is all hip hop in the sense. But then there's things that there's things that might lie. A bit outside of hip hop is. Because sometimes there's a lot of pop artists that are making music business fire by Bob. But it's pop music and everybody knows it. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen. I've seen that a lot. Now, it's starting to see that like a lot of these pop artist is starting to get more of a hip hop influence you start to see that combination. Where do we where do we draw the new line? Because like, so let's say. Rap. But like they're like we'd like to say there is in. But like how people usually you'll be like Jesus what kick this off. Right. Like rap comes from jobs, background hip, hop, contra Maja's background. I guess, but you would never call jazz. Hip hop or hip hop jazz because they've become something so different. But hip hop is its own thing. Like hip hop. Actually, listen to early hip hop. It sounds like punk rock, and they got all these soul loops and all these funk loop. So is this kind of like a like a broad of a budget of you. Consider hip hop. Like original hip hop. I'll me hip hop would just be that original hip off ocher like beat street like graffiti, rapid DJ, and and the way. But I guess. Like, your rhythm sees or like your fat, boys? Like, you gotta go. This is me who are you? But I think you're talking cool hurt. But I think everything whom OD everything from cool hurt. Two. Little pump is hip hop to it its own way. Yeah. The business music, but it's still derives from a bit of the same thing. Even if it's changed the same kind of Leuven, I think that rape will start to use a make right division between things and say, okay. This is a class, John this this this that it kind of takes away from the aspect of with that is posed to be to begin with divide and conquer in a sense. How all these people ever come together. They're too busy thinking, they're two different. But some people like some people like their divisions. It's like almost football. I mean, we do not have a love the dolphins. I bleed teal and orange. I do not believe in the Green Bay Packers. Like, there's division Davis. The that's. I think that's manmade. Yeah. Well, I mean, he will take it serious. But look at hip hop. Hip hop themselves man, they all claim who's the king who's the king hears onto. But that's the desk. People trying to sell records. But at the same time, you know, it's a very competitive thing. Even in comedy people who's the best you see, you know, can't Williams arguing with a comedian. All that is just it's just a part of that. You know, longing to be the best is what makes you want to be better when you really good, but people again, they could expect taking the people looking at it mud to draw their division. I don't think it's with the with the youth anymore younger people. Now, don't believe in that young people do not believe in walls in dividing things and saying, hey, this is this. And this is that it is the old people that you are haters and y'all ugly, and we all we all want to live like that. No. We just evolved that way, that's what we had before that socially acceptable. It was socially. Occurs to behaviors because they wanted they were they were brought up to hate the Soviet Union. And because of that they just goes hating on. God bless America. Did you ever really think that you were going to get new by Russia? No. But it was kind of scary with Cuba. Let me ask you a dodgy, man. So what was your first passion than man, you said, you're a person that expresses themselves are typically the various forms. But what was the first thing that got you probably playing the drums really pushing. We'll sit how old are you? Maybe like the second grader they're grading early on that really aegis had it. How did you end up getting drawn to the drums like that? Couldn't even tell you. You'd have to ask my mom grandmom. Right. Family, and they would be able to tell you more than I can put the drums set in front of you couldn't tell you. I remember being in third grade and being advanced, and there was just something I was always doing. But so as far back as you remember, you were already playing drums on your mind. I used to get in trouble in school for wrapping it writing poetry and things like that. Really? I remember also third grade I beg through a lot of memories. So you're writing raps in the third grade. Yeah. What? Ninety four ninety five. So you're right in the hardware to park was alive and the biggie in the east coast. Lyrics based on them. I think so because I was thinking back about how used to be like fuck the police. I'm like with this third grader had to say fuck the police about one. You know, I didn't have any beef with the causes a kid. I remember my teacher has like how do you think you're going to die and people that are talking like, oh, you're going to be old and family and I'd like like an shootout on six avenue. I'm like I'm thinking back about these things like who the fuck. And I realize now that our generation has like a lot of people that were influenced by that air that music that period the late eighties into the nineties. It was the craziest moments in history that we know of because it was a it was a lot of everything. And I think we're like this first round of generation of people that the amount of information technology and everything has happened since I was a kid. I remember right before their women shit in all of a in everything is there, and it shows in the music it shown yet movies, it shows the entertainment industry period because that's just people at the end of the day guardless at how you dress them up. That's just people and I'm excited to see where it's going, you know 'cause. The the better parts are way better than it could ever have been imagined in the worst part probably some of this shit is far as you could think of. So let me ask you when you started writing. What how good were you already? Did you feel your natural? Attic, it probably will tell you that. But I go through memory lane. I'm sure there will be some awkward instances. Did you just did you? But when you start he just kept going like that he just kept going throughout the years. You didn't stop writing lyrics at that point third grade on like. Show me your notes from school yet. While the teacher was telling you take these down for the Manton. Morad about this. No router. It was fucking nuts. Did you stay right in like that with the whole fuck the police format or did you switch a little bit? Little bit coincidental. After I got in trouble. 'cause I realized that it was it's not proactive to just be like fuck something, you know, if you have negative feelings towards something than do something about it. Make it better. You know, don't don't just aggressive. Hip hop though. At the time probably have still have a lot of aggression. You didn't write about the women? You didn't have any of the tracks. Not really it's not like I. It's not like, oh, let me think about this girl and writes in now, but you know, you write night, you know, back in the days was writing about big booty, hoes shit may moody. She was what type of terms were they using back in the nineties. There was a scrub the ground. Mike fucking sixty nine boys and shit or juvenile and back that up. Yeah. That donkey he didn't write anything like that. Then. I don't know they were more like a right because you like a righteous rapper you like someone that would wrote righteous lyrics. Maybe. Depends on when you come. Yeah. But now man, but you probably still does that man like that. Very conscious. You literally got that vibe on. I'm saying something. So I feel like it should work. It should be worth hearing or were saying and little things I've picked up on over the years. Like you hear it ever? Listen to my music, go back in time of using mother expert, always where they are known. Just little things like if you ever have kids, they're going to hear this or your your mom or like trying to make sure like little things I say are worth hearing, you know, 'cause I realize how big of an effect music. I don't mean. And if I'm gonna have that effect on anybody, I wanna make sure it's at least in my manner of positive or in my life. Or in my your experiences number experiences. But just from your from my folks, micro housing that's positive. You know, if I'm going to ask some shit is going to be some some shit that I guess leave not above. What are what are you? Did you grow up? What area Northland Northam Florida, really? 'cause I know but north Miami within Miami. I know you said you're from north Miami was area, you grew up. Right. Zip code. Doing some five letter. Right nerve Miami's like this area of Miami that I guess used to be suburbs. But then in the eighties a lot of things that are changing, and it still looks like suburbs care Sadie was. But they the upper echelon of people that they're they're left. You know? Yeah. We've had the conversation that in north Miami Notre Dame is tricky you could be on one side of and feel completely safe. Hurry mass present away. Yeah. You cross that one street over there, and there's like stray bullets flying scrape I feel better around showcasing on the ground than horse shit. I was walking around in Davies saw worship him like men for like, I'm in the wrong area. But I think showcases the heroin needle all the time. While the fuck do cops still ride horses. Tell me about how you go. Would you? Go take me to get books on the then often too. Probably just a leg to the horse in drag you there. Probably getting a check from somebody for that. I mean, hosted smell to imagine they just keep all the shit of the jail. And that's that's one of the jobs at the jail to pick up. All the voice should definitely that. There's somebody that has a job. I bet you somebody has a you did that job up in Orlando. And one point they had this work release weird thing going on. So we could get out and I went to the police ranch, and I got to take care of the horses visuals Dochas horses. Fucking awesome. They're like giant dogs are very intelligent and. Yeah, had to pick up some. So Mickey Mouse jail makes you pick a Porsche it on. I wasn't enjoyed with the mouse. I hear that's worse than the actual Orange County. You're kidding me. That Mickey Mouse jails worse here does not anywhere you want. You don't wanna get a Rosamund Disney. How aggressive is Donald Duck? Bruce. Here's. Whack crack just start law enforcement. Authorities cannot even enter didn't Disney property in arrest people property or like if you're running from the cops, and you're going to Disney property on this you did something for road. They can't chase. You. Helicopters can't go over air force. Right, right. They can't go over Disney property. They got a call that in and get specific clearance. If cocaine didn't make Miami Miami Disney private about Miami. And we'd all be under the row. I think that Disney owns this show is maybe I've said that a bunch of times I feel like they onus. Scan to that point. They just Fox News. They got ESPN. Yeah. They're just going to buy anything that has entertainment on like, it doesn't even have to be like offensive like if you just manifested an idea that you went outside and didn't act like Disney automatically owns you. By the end of the act. I won't be mad. If like the whole world was like, you know, Tomorrowland the ship. I don't know about that. I wouldn't wanna be going around those like crazy little jet packs around the air, and she didn't have like a circle around. But the little thing. Lou lights, distract your own. But let me ask you, man. What was your first track? You ever did? Then you record are what age. I don't know there's probably some mystery of flying. In middle school or something. But realistically, I'd say like eighteen nineteen twenty somewhere around there. So how long have you been doing? I guess been artists or we're all professionally especially like rice said this is what I'm doing probably two thousand something after high school did college for a little bit figured. I didn't like it. And then oh, I can tell you when it was. Hey when I was nine coming back to when I was nineteen. I had a motorcycle accident. And I flew over three cars like a buck. Thirty the bike exploded. I got some scarring. Wait a minute. Wait a minute flew over three cars. Yeah. Trying to code roof. Scott. Explain explain how did this happen. I was it was not even three cars, and you're still here talking to carry, you know, and that's part of why I do what I do because I feel like I was given multiple instances where I could not be here. And where people who have not been your for less. You know? And if I'm still here, I might as well do something with that. But I would think so from work ninety five south by where one fifty I would be it's like an overpass came over the overpass holiness. This car was flying by me. So he was probably doing like a buck, forty bucks. Fifty. And we go over the hill traffic is debt stopped. You like, you know, ninety five traffic that stop and. I felt like I had enough space to break. But even if I did not I don't because he spurred into my lane because his name closed off as for them awhile. And I ended up just I remember I was only running for three weeks. And I remember just saying fuck 'cause I in that moment, probably three seconds tops. I had the idea of swerving to the right like Norman ago, if the overpass that phone there's cars there too. And just go on like fuck, I guess his bumper out of my hands concern. While I'm in the air. Everything is slow motion. Like, I remember counting trunk groups sky. What I ate for breakfast. What has come back? I would have said sorry for this. Like, so many thoughts on sky real. Yeah. And I've kinda grown dicta to that feeling in a sense. All yet. The live. It's it's the your present in the moment. He makes you feel more alive than almost done thinker swim fighter flight moment that that. I guess. They're Drennan than Russia. There's so much more than so. Okay. So you're in the annual going through this all in your mind. How did I land on the shoulder? I didn't provide off Dane hit the cars. I literally landed on this. How big is this folder, maybe four feet across. And I I remember hitting the ground because then everything went to fast motion and went from slow motion to. And everytime like my arm would scrape that would be slow, but arbitrary would like. Back to like, something not a movie, right? Did you have a helmet on at home in one of my boots long? I don't I think the gloves are still here. I don't know. I remember my home. It was still there my spinal perfect. There was still there that saved my life like I slept on my back for a little bit. And I have a girls get tramp stamps. Uh-huh. I haven't transplant from this experience could hold back. Protectors lit up like a inch an inch in my lower back was just roasts. Oh, man. As a as a nineteen year old. I finally stopped rolling shit. And I think I might buy you worried about your bag. First thing I thought, of course, I look back right air, and I'm like had this dive relief as soon as I Saturday's the bike exploded. And I was like, yes, I'm not going to the bike exploded right there. Like one of those movie style explosion. I'll show you another time my phone recording. But a have a picture with Levin by like movie style, we're on the Thadani five traffic people with her now. The Graham, and you know, worldstar people were making roaster video that should have promise you. So boy. I had a two thousand and five six fifty that site. Dan, you probably that's fucked of x Ray the ended up back was done wrote. But could you imagine here and it just? Then you're saying dryer thing and ninety five look to the right of us. To look to the right of you. And you see that should done. What up again made me realize? I don't want to go to college anymore because I won't get two. There's no reset, bro. You don't get to do this over that. I know of right. So as far as I know before a lot of people myself included are go to school because I was totally they would eat after high school you go to college. You get it. Right. Which is the more logical thing logical yet. But is there for film it and being radical is do you have like that? No. I mean for everything everyone had to go to college not from from what nowadays job lines are. I mean, you don't need colleague go onto on those trade schools are good. But I understand what you're saying that the common path that everyone thinks is eight once I graduate college, or at least some sort of post training, they go do some right, right? But I'm gonna decided I'm going to do what I wanna do. Right. So then I ask myself. What would I do if money were not probably this things that I do for fun for hobbies for just enter course, get paid for it? And I still do it. And I found you know, crap I've always done this Danny other let me turn my life into this. And it's been a conscious effort to do that since then since you started taking things seriously, what happened to you in that accident, though, when you landed nothing, I broke my wrist and seven places, I got a cruise further. I got some scarring. You just broke your wrist in that impedance gave through. Wow, don't I'm at the hospital 'cause I didn't even take the hamlets soothing straight to no concussion. Nothing. They're not charging. I told them let's go they're not charging like several million dollars for that. He said, I'll just be told. By my boy's house. I call it. My my dad, he's a firefighter knows I go I just got into an accident and come check me out. And I went I wrote the fucker you do go to the hospital, and I went to the hospital. They said my Christmas messed up they scrubbed my back that should that should make cross ideal. When you get road rash. Fucking get going for lapaglia on the. Aw. And if you're not dying they're not going to give you a FedEx by they might. But they nothing they might give you a numbing cream. I don't recall that his robot Macaire proudly this way. Vomit yet Obamacare's. I don't know if I believe that. I'm not a fan. I've probably had it anyway. So you just went in for a checkup, and you came right back out say they wrapping up a little bit in claiming oven. I was in the place of the wheelchair like. These ships. Imagine a phone call. My boy got like borough. My bike is on fire. He's at narrows. What's it going to be my friends at dinner? That's where I was going through. And I call them like my bags on fire. Come get me. Wow. That's great. Did you nervous? They were more mad at I was about the situation. And you're saying this was life changing in the sense that he didn't want to go to school, but he wanted to pursue more into your art form. Yeah. One hundred ten percents. What was the first thing? You did. Right. After all that in terms of your are form. I don't know. I probably progress in the fuck out of that decision, and you know to to switch lifestyle. It was like a period of life where I had to defer myself defense from eighteen nineteen years of standardized thinking and all this shit, and realizing I guess there's a lot of whole shit in what we're told is fact, right, right? So I spent I also coincidentally got on probation about a year later for five years. So my I had a leash on and it was good for me because I didn't take any movements forward to. Yes. What did I do to progress in my craft? I did absolutely nothing, but retrain my way of thinking. So that could then once once I'm in a position to make moves forward, effectively know if you have a shitty foundation, nothing you build this kind of as yeah. I spent five years making foundation, and like, I'm impulsive, I'm impatient. Had I don't like to. Sit them. We wanna go do something. Right. I sat for five years. Learn patience. And that's why I live the way I do now because I've made my foundation so well that like water it's not even concrete water, you feel more more grounded with yourself. I can't even I could get distracted experts on money right now. And I still have my bus from our be still have my bike. And I don't have to make payments on any of these things you're talking about financial freedom by the ability to wake up and want to do today. Whatever the fuck I want multiple never see that. Because even if you're on a house you're still paying for that every year. Even paying property tax. Yep. You're never free. You never for America. If you get if you got enough you can for yourself does that you just have to if you live here, you're gonna pay for it, or I guess then you refer. You're going to have to pay anything to make a Bahamas. There are many places in the world that are considered their countries that there's no such thing. As far as you go you buy your property in that when you die. You know, there's. Yeah. Other countries that you don't hear about every day in the news is the ones that are living. Great. I want to say they're living. Great, but they're a little bit different than our own. Yeah. But I mean, I I've met a bunch of people from all over especially here in Miami. And especially with like spent Spanish countries. I mean, you hear them man same points. This is never this is everything a property. Yeah. There's a lot of others, but there's some places here too. Yeah. Of course. This is my out there. You don't even got a chance out there. You can get an education. Learn how to do things you still making. We'll be like twenty thousand dollars a year out here if you're quality of life is better than were. Yes. But a lot of places there's health care of like universal further. People a lot of places there's education for people. So it's like there's giving tastes. And you could go across very very wound is going all. Not validate without the bed is like, you know, if you've thought Merican grow from South America, fuck, you kind of have been. Who governments out this reason why I it was set up to fail. So should you might as well go with the person the set the game up? You're right. You're right. True true. Said here's yours too. Let me ask you, man. Who are some of your influences in music of their like all over the place room? Or who are some of your influences, not just in music as an art in general, I draw your inspiration from. Like, your davinci's gotta do musically. I listened to a lot of urban and fire and probably I grew up in. I think I know a guy in this room, the might agree with you on that one there things like Queen listened to prince and queens of the stone age and Marilyn Manson, madman wound Tang, like my I my music genres that I listened to my Pandora or my hard drive is like it's a little bit of everything because I also play the drums. So it's not like I'm in this box room just into hypothesis. Like, no, I love playing metal Metallica shit like that. Because there I think quality music should be John. You name me the three CDs. If you were stuck on an island, and you only were able to have with you. Which would they be what albums? All right now. You mean one thing I'm thinking. Would you take? I'd say like eight hundred leap. Which ironically, I wanted to talk about this Liu Tang clan unto thirty six chambers to first album gotta take that with me. That's entertaining up and down. I'd have to say a Jay Z album. I can't say which one right now my mind, maybe a gangster really good at everybody reasonable doubt reasonable doubt. I think that would be the one that take and then my third album fuck man, I'd have to probably go with. I might go Busta rhymes. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think before when disaster strikes before disaster strikes or something like that that that that probably gives me hype. I know I know I'd say, but he's just as take take take care of three times as he lost his. This is going to say three Drake outbursts that didn't matter. It's it was later. But yeah, I guess take care too. Aliens you got it here. And then for my hip hop. Oh that is Mitsui's. Listen. This album like from start to finish probably some cameo album. I really like like cameo live band, man. And all that noodles might want to go to this. I'm in with the already. A rock album. What came to mind was either like clockwork from queens of the stone age or any tool would probably man you like some heavy heavy. I could tell you about Clinton and all sorts of. Shea is again fights over this is a on this in the rock before it was kinda cool to do that. Listen to that white people start while you do that white. But we should was it for you. I mean, I know you're black. But you're talking right now skateboarding and listening to metal and playing drums the mess with his cabinet per se to to white for the black kids into black for the whites. Oh, man. I think I lived at victory. Two hundred for the RT kid and to Ardila founding like that I don't really fit in. I can hang out anywhere vibe with so many different people. But I don't really fit in any. Right. Anyone particular? What's again, I say that's the future. I don't think there's any enemy that one particular group anymore. But when you grow up in a in a society that is to standardize shit. It's that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. That's why I do what I do. Because I realized that especially with kids should gets ref as a kid, you know, fewer pressure feel. Yeah. These things and to just have like a beacon of lightning Joe manner. Not the only like different outcast. If you will. There's a whole somebody told me this young once you get out of high school. There is a whole different group of outcasts that you find, you know, and it's oh for sure a lot different and. Yeah. I think in comedy, I think each one of us are earn Outkast. We saw crazy. Everybody's crazy. What are you three albums until? Take month. Look in untitled, slow villas. Okay. I'll take the the Angelo. Is there something here that pick up on some news on? He just threw that. She bad. Nineteen ninety nine. Oh, okay. Okay. That man you to have a good time with that. When they're fuck with you on the prince Princeton. I even think of that can't mind the food is, but which one the first the score, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Well, it's not to read man to because I. Yet. I we're studying. Nobody said Marnie. Oh, man. You're right. And we're going to. I'm you need some Bob money. Just give me the legend album. I'm good with that. All the best ones are in there. No, what is that? All right. He's gone. I'm not gonna I'm not making a call. Like that guy. Didn't know the God damn line about SpongeBob. Draw glance. I hey chocolate. What are they selling? Are you trying to keep it on hip hop? I know we're just talking about albums, but. What's the best rap groups of all time? And when I say rat groups three or more, not rap duels are as root for would. You say Dr is the dual a group 'cause there's three even though the DJ didn't ramp too much, right? Bill still three, but I'd say the all three top three for me. Is house giving the Shiva thought for me personally de twelve. NWEA and we'll take. You're saying d twelve is better the deep EMT he's saying to us to do. I think slaughterhouses is better than slaughter houses. It's a tough one. But those are my three Joe three she got bazaar and homey. I respect him. So. Preapproved r I p first album ever actually bought it was approved. Oh, man. Jerry Garcia came with a DVD s. Veto over outcasts. That's black. That's a do woke. That's too. Yeah. So three. All me go I would say it over meal meals. Yeah. All day, man. Real no. Who's your groups? Disea- twelve have a single song is better than breed. No, more all we all of. At all. Sweatshop factory. And. That's mine and over. You imagine. He said Oviedo YMCA Embiid. Oh, man. Says love and mission over here. We live. Pope hymns. Okay. Was that a group or duo was it three impo pimp? Good question. I think it was you might be right. Could be three. But I'll give you that one poll. Pipkin give me your groups over there. That's bone thugs. Tame. And. Tausif until like Tito slaughter house. There's not too many successful roofs. Goodie mob is another good. Get good the beastie, boys. I I was thinking Macy boys. Also the four hour. Defer ira. That's the party. That's the I got. Come up with jagged ED's. But that's arm. Be groups. The data. So right. How you yes. And try and Cyprus. I mean, there's a lot of good groups. No. That was a do and w wait little brothers dove. Garay not wonder if that's a good as to digging in the crates crews, another good one. Brand Nubian was no ramp. Lord mars. Oh, you're right locks Oldham locks. You'll three six mafia. Now, we got south through. So there's a lot more than me go awry. Threes. We only do a hip hop. Hip hop. Moutain? We'll take is. I think that's everybody saw. Yep. I I think that we'll take across the board with everybody. It's number one. I think we'll Tang is the group that when you think of hip hop groups, the first one that comes to mind, mostly everybody. Yell plaque move black. Yes. Original boot camp. Click. Yeah. Oh, man. I love that group on the roots. Foodies is another the up and the roots. You're right. Were they were a band. They weren't much of group. There were banned. Will you consider them a group because? Yep. Onyx is another one. But I'm not seeing onyx. I think it's more like I'm top fifteen twenty group the far side, far, son. That's another top fifteen that you'd have to soldier Mr. class outcasts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure for sure. But I think across the board. I think we can all say, we'll tell you. It was just number one. Would you put three six mafia in the top tier? 'cause I would in with south commoner in the tier? You're not. I I will give them a top twenty status for sure. That list is liable Grammy and all influence like all the music is out now is because the three six mafia, and you listen to zero. Hey, you play. I hate you bid by by zero. This is very important. Let me ask you a question. Again, keeping this hip. Hop on the podcast for the people for the people. What what artist or song, can you? Remember, you having trouble understanding like wizar- artists that no matter what they you. Never understood. What the fuck do? We're talking around every Busta rhymes visitors for damn sure to understand what he was trying to write to j dogs for sure both fuck me up. But I promise to recite you the whole east nineteen ninety nine album without giving. Did you understand what I heard it on them? But that's what made me go, look it up and actually get into it. Because like order, you're saying, you know, who never made sense to me the risen. That's not knowing song. He's talking like constellations and just kind of like a scientist. This is a group zero zero. Some of the word. Group pretty dope. The newer all agitates grateful the Houston. When. Oh, okay. Head to Houston. There was Houston. And they said the sounds of time for drinks. Now's the fuck what you have to all know. I don't know what I did you ever hear train? Tribune trait. Trae C R A E. It was right on the same time from jail. Yeah. Whenever having read trained the truth. Yes. Yeah. It's actually it's very abusive right traded truck out written off by the music industry, and they lied. They made them go independent. Beyond MTV, and he has keep his career going independent off of that. Which is what people? Yes, he was doing before with the nineteen. No, that's just are barely making it through the episodes. We just got to get through the rest of couple more episodes upgrade again. Our equipment. Here's faulty. Yeah. We all get it from like the free been the clearance isle of the garage sale. What about? Will not I I guess we answered that question. I guess bus routes the bus is confusing. Here's a bit confusing. Twist the two, you know who wraps passed yet. That's speed rap. I can never make sensitive. I never did. But just even like slow lyrics like people that just say shit. Sometimes I didn't understand some of that you hear. You know, what I feel like doing something fun here with you, man. So I free styling skills going. Yeah. I I I mean I've seen it a couple of times. I think it's a little better than I what I'm gonna do is. You know? So we could just kind of switch it up here for a minute before we get close to the end of the show. I'm gonna give you a couple of minutes in show, some free stuff and skills man, 'cause we still haven't even got we've I've been all over the place questions. But I want to get a little more back into it after this freestyle here with what you're trying to do what you know what I mean? So we'll tell you got any beats there you can upper noodles. Noodles finance and beat noodle. Yeah. Man. You know, the pie as yeah. There you go. He kind of knows where he kind of knows where manifested man. But yeah, man, we're going to leave it up to you. Turn this you. I we got something going already. Saranda shit. All right. I'm gonna leave it to you man secret chewing on some of the top is nothing brain rattling. But you wanna do as a question, I might ask. But on me in on these rose, and I'm smoking on this gas might visiting the task for the future you make a visit all the just the same as brain baking kids, and now is burnt this fucked still better than trying to live my life was the fucking. He ended up but put it down with them. But you do make sure found shit here. The sound spin like a clown. They put that shit down. Let me get my mind focus doing this. Like hope is poke is really know is. And before that be switched the man. Go ahead for around. I'm gonna warn you every now, and then this podcast has been known for the co host to jump in which. So you feel like. Feel like someone's going to interrupt you. Cobos jumping in session. We're doing it doing it with shook ones in the move will talk yet. We also real shit. We also fucked that real shit. I don't know. We also feel fucking. I'm also include shit. I'm looking like in the venture. Like a revenge. Coming back. But a payback. Sass sleeping laid back. And I know fingerprints and Jan off print his Dahl rides like that cop visit for the pussy challenge. Oh god. Channel. Combine sabato. Really just bobble. Oftentimes, you think of. On the in mind into. The bond. Doing fine. Grand trying to get it going. Phelps? Speak off the top county man, put it. The shit. Put it. Got it do to do more to brand. Chasing shed teeth like. Of like a elephant in the room to do. You don't move. He's understanding that everything's coming too soon together. Tune into the picture play every minute yoga as sick giving the play shit. Whatever I do what I say, whatever I say. Say what you say say what you mean all the top is not in life is really like a drain on the scheme for bed at things and let them make things that if only got the brain. More than that toward the cream shit, even free. Go down. You know? I mean. Jau dot she meant speaking. There's something beating shit and. Let me ask you a question German here is that she is that she actual name. Or is that just I'm Janus question. It's my L is that is your eighties. My name is. Named and how did how did you draw the initials? So the jaws is that's my government. Oh, wow. And then they'll dodgy I've always been into like, Japanese culture, and like samurais and even raise cars and things like that. And it's I don't know if you guys ever played final fantasy seven best game. There's this character Steffi route. He has a sore this front seven feet long rose for diggers, and that's called a no dodgy looking into the culture in an old dodgy is like a ceremonial version of that sort. So the no dodgy was used to cut down cavalry. That's why the blades are so long because then you don't have to stand next to the horse and get your head jumped up on an old dot she was using a ceremony ceremonial purpose. And I don't know. I just thought it was cool being a ceremonial blade. Like God's laid in a sense. And then my initials are John John dodgy? God's ceremony. Because we have this thing. It's like a western right? When you have a sword you start with a wet stones. But your mind is like, you're playing your mental blade. So you sharpen your your your mind with wets the players on Meade, right? And. To there. Phases of everyone. Nice don't. Yeah. You've been a little bit here with the time. I don't do anything. Shallow brown. Even have smoke though. I think that's what he's not big talk. Yeah. Only big. I want to ask you how the game. I wanna I wanna ask you that. I wanna ask you about covers Asia. How you feel you'd be different? If you raised by animals by sir. Cert- particularly. What kind of what what what animal in particular? You feel that you are raising a bunch of monkeys. Grimace. Man. I don't know where else we should be going here with you, man. I mean, like I feel like we've been all over the place, and then we've gone deep that we've gone into hip-hop politics. We've done. Politics. Yeah. Yeah. Talk talk about. Well. All right. Not songs that I have probably about thirty or forty talks about fifteen release in a bunch of are still in like different processes of being finished like I could scroll through my phone, and there's a whole bunch of songs have been tremendous for their expert lived on there. Just in the process. You know, there's certain stars that have to align for certain things happen. It's a process that makes sense. I even if I recorded tomorrow, and I put it out tomorrow in I actually sit there and go through that song a little bit more than practice. It more. The accents that'll be better. So I think making a song as easy sitting. There writing lyrics I could sit here, and I I'll make ten songs in the time. We've been you know from start to finish. And they'll be fire each one of them to go through it and record it in practice it and really feel it and make it into where I think a completed song should be that takes on. But Tennessee your question about forty. Wow. And out of these forty have you what have you released fifteen fifteen of them, you cut of are. They all just independent songs you've been releasing or have you done album project, ready or project working on it. You're working all of these are just been like we make me finish them. And I'm happy to put them out. Coming up soon, you're gonna see that like some of the songs on recently released are just previews of actual projects that I'm working on with certain producers, and there's going to be like maybe a good seven fourteen a good twenty or thirty owns that are going to get release almost Becker back just from different producer different projects. Hold different five each. Have you been doing touring? Have you been? Okay. I got to do some those when I was out west. I went to earning that recently. Oh, you wanna burning man this year, man? I sold my car. That's my job kinda lost place live, and I would do it all over again six hundred. Did you do that on the process just to go to or? Getting they're coming back the whole experience, you know, there were hurdles here and there, and that's why he would all again, the experience with one of a kind really who's your first time for his first concert. I event of more than one hundred people in place. Wow. Man sober for six days. That was pretty she wants to burning man silver. It was great is that. But aren't you supposed to go like completely like out your mind tell you that from already autumn mind, and I'm just going to be okay? Right. Okay. Man, you fit like everyone else in Israel. They're all out of their minds without having to be out of their mind. It was really cool the whole experience which is overwhelming. And that kind of inspired me to wanna be sober to suck at taken. I live in Miami. I get fucked up a lot, you know, to to be able to go somewhere and it had that. Such an impact it had. It was really great. I went to Justice anybody, regardless of age creed color, religion, where there are a lot of different ages over there and Bernie man, I knew where from eighteen two hundred you know, why? And then they even allow small children. So like from the ages of three to like, maybe eight or nine you can your kid there. Didn't someone like kill themselves last year and burning man, I don't think anybody's killed. So got burned in the fire. He ran a fire because he was an idiot, right? Is that fire? That tall man is an impressive to see. And you all you can pick your through like the temple was Jain Norma's. And like when they burn the man there was a party. Everybody's fucked up. Yeah. When they run the temperature. There was not one person that made a hundred thousand people dead. Silence. Just they're like. It was intense. It was on. I wouldn't trade it for the world. You know, men are quick is sucking over their home that buzzing is just like every few seconds. Just keeps creeping in here. Like. Cry. It's like hurry up. Man, you run show. I can't do this shit so long like you guys like the do. Yeah. It was really. Have you ever yet inclination to do it run with that? I just don't wanna go based on the sacrifices you had to make to go. I just wanted to make a little more simply that would make it worth life. Put some blends. I think that's not everyone got to bring him in from the first time around. I I don't think I'd ever do it in my lifetime though. I think it was maybe something that probably would've done younger just being older. Now, I don't think burning man is like in my cards with any of you guys. Go to burning man. God damn right. You know, like doing most inhospitable environment and people make a city for seven days when you look at you and say. And then mean it so it has like a certain code feeling is pretty intense. What was the most impressive thing? You saw him burning man. I don't know the whole experience from the whole thing I climb this the crime this art piece and it after I did it. They actually stop you from doing it because people were getting hurt. Basis cleaner getting crashed cars. Yeah, they had crashed hard right and the spirit these crash carts like this. So it was like maybe a forty foot tall. Fuck it. It was maybe a forty foot tall like pillar of crash cars, and you could climb up at cars with it. Didn't tell you the cars arrested. They didn't break out the windows. The glasses kind of should like rag. All people got hurt. So they closed it before. I got the Clem all the way to the top and see the city in the daytime and the nighttime. So in the daytime it looks like this does city like full of Shanti shacks and fucking looks like something on a mad magazine and never saw bad. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen it looks like that. And then at nighttime lights up everything and everybody, and it looks like the bottom of the ocean, dude. Like, it looks like a bunch of Mianzi creatures. In the middle of the desert, people food, private Jetson. Somebody builds a seven forty seven a double decker seven forty seven money built one like data. Bring it in pieces closing up pieces of road. Like, it was intense, and they turned into a DJ in a club. And my friend was like she got to talk to this dude or ask him questions about why he did it. And let me said, oh, I did it for you guys. Because for you guys if you to come out and have a good time. I have the money went on to do, you know, and. Yeah. I can only imagine like. Not just by the plane, take it apart. And then have it reassembled time and time again just so that he would get as called money to spare. But there was no money in the place. I didn't spend a dime at didn't spend opinion. You know, once you're there, you're there. And like the community is very like when huge tailgate essentially, a second sale brought extra you know, every Chem brings something like so the idea is so for nine so you go there, and and the idea is to bring enough for yourself. So you can be sustainable, but a lot of times people come attention thinks sharing his that's that's why I've become such a crazy party in a crazy experience. Because no people that have certain crafts are intrigues that they're into people loved only light works. I make the craziest liking they can think of just because they have the time in the space to do. You know, it's. And I'm not even describing it. I said I got him selling insurance. Well, I mean, I mean the sounds like one of those hippie experiences. That's what I was thinking the whole time hanging like a bunch of hippies. Doctors and politicians who are all. Cheat. So you done fitting songs released he got forty recorded. You say you do are. What's the biggest thing of working on right now for next year on the tour? Yeah. More of an official tour. This was before this was me going and travelling just kind of survey the land, right? I'm not sure where I go somewhere on check it out like recon work. And so next year, I'm working on this tour. I have a few people I'm working with cream in college of arts than are in fashion. And a multitude of sponsors endorsing that I've been talking to about this tour because not just for me to go to music to do something with the community like young adults older dogs is raise it. Everybody. Does an opportunity to experience something out of their structured lifestyle. Because most people never go into this uncomfortable place, people feel lost like, they're outcasts. So to give people an opportunity to go. Learn how to paint or whatever quarter songs guitars gave word or make cocktails. I don't know that it's going to change depending on the place that read the people that were listening occasion. But they just give you an opportunity to experience something on out of the ordinary in a positive manner that can change somebody's life. A lot of times. It's something that's negative of traumatizing experience that dictates with by it took me getting one hundred thirty per accident for me to be like holy shit. Maybe I should change my life. But what if it could be an experience as positive that does not a negative thing? And. And can award the same kind of fight, you know, that's what this whole tours function around. And we're going to be doing food drives close drives. Just a lot of things to try and. Alleviates strain on the community. So it's more like a like a festival of sorts. Yeah. I was gonna I was thinking about like a little like look at him. I go to many my Bernie marine baby that I thought has a project, and I got to see it in the biggest and luxurious form, and I'm like Bruin buck and doing the right thing. Now, I'm just like I came back from Brennan mainland. Okay. Guys, like phones fight. Yeah. Very, but I had more direction. You know? What are the whole Vernon that whatever you want, bro? That. Here's the crazy about burning minutes that much like much for whatever your mind can think of and you can manifest that's what you're gonna get real and the amount of energy in that place because the land is it's volcanic lava that right off a whole straight to the earth. So the managing coming from the land is amend, right? And then you have a hundred thousand people that are all into that ship eating into that eating with that. Right. The ability that just like I lost my sunglasses. All three pairs that. I wrote with and I need sunglasses. I see this box trade box. I'm like, oh, someone listening last very more than thirty eight in the morning guy and um. I go to trade bags, and there's nothing there. But like she. Reese's pieces and dumps like. To later, the bucks on the ground. This is free sunglasses. Rock the vibe sunglasses like spread got I got to talk to the owner of the company because I've probably taken too many came up with going on. He was a cool. Do we said there we spoke for a minute. And just I I needed sunglasses. I thought about I thought this is free. I was thinking I there in camp three hours through the places starting north. So I'm lost. I'm dehydrated wondering where my life is. And as I'm just pedaling by this place random person runs outside the you'll hear some have a win some grace. Thank you. You know as I'm eating this. Apple I look over to my right that they came from the right? That's the camp. I've been looking for. Not even all day for two days. And yeah, it was that that places is intended very into that at all. You know, I was so fucking. As the first trip on acid. I had a great use over the I thought acid. As I said six days. I was there for seven. Okay. So they won. I got camp set up. I went venturing head the ultimate experience met some beautiful people that I'm still to this day, you know, and they kinda like not only did they kind of like nurse back to health a little bit because I was oriented, but I got to ride around with them and pick up other people that were on it. And that was just what they were doing that yet. We. Just about helping them get back on their feet and get back on the damn if I wasn't anywhere Miami. And I would not have somebody like, yeah. Get in the van, and I'm gonna be like never heard from again. But I lost the where the where the women run a naked around there. All sorts of naked people was there a lot of body painting insurance body. There's a lot of everything like body painting naked people people in ornate costume. They even have cars that they made buses that they made our cars and art buses. Are you? But but now with your tour you say you want to bring a little bit of that Bernie man experience to your tour. Yeah. It was like going home, right? Because I already had these ideas and using clinician by to try and give a positive experience. Right. Yes. And to see if that it had on a lot of people even myself included. So I go there, and it's not like I'm like, we'll do this kind of people visit. But it's great seeing a lot of people that feel like that for some people didn't never seen anything like that. So it's like an eye opening experience, you know, like something that I think has more profound impact, but on just to be able to to have. Hundred ago, positive impact on somebody's life in that sense. That's the tour was about before. I went there. I got to see something like that working in to see something working like way better than anything short on paper. Right. And it kind of was just like it's ration- that keep doing what I'm doing. Work. Let me ask you, man. What areas are you doing these tours? And is it going to be in the south east, east coast, west coast of what's in discussion right now, and it's constantly changing. Depending on people that we are working on is a south Florida tourist Republican to start from somewhere in Fort Lauderdale VAR county drive through downtown Miami winwood for Lauderdale, lots of all these places on and then go around to Naples through the south side and. Naples, and but for Myers. Yeah. Thank his Naples Fort Myers for this Fort Pierce over there. The Tampa like to do not as far as contempt like northwest side. But to do a southeast southwest little toward from there debate is going between up to New York east or southern turban. If I do the southern term probably gonna go to the west immediately following. At least it's come trying to go around the whole country all the ass. Before I leave the country. I want to go around the country that we're gonna be like if I'm outside of the country, and everybody's like, yo what was America? Like, I don't have to be like, oh by this or like Georgia was that. Yeah. I get it. A few cities in the. A few weeks to accomplish. What city? Oh, yeah. And if we all we all we all. Boom. The buses the buses. Gotta be a. Has got to be in Tidwell. Officer. You gotta you gotta catch me on the upside. What was your favorite city to perform it right now? Nothing's like home like Miami. Miami's been the best place. Kelly was really dove. I. Tally. I was up in mammoth lakes, I propose that. Thanks. And maven's was probably the most fun 'cause I it's all up in the mountains from heavy. You don't. West coast. You see the less those who knows about being from here that you kinda get stuck with you. Yeah. They'd like us ally. Think it's because Kelly is like Miami. But like come item e of here's the best anon- from having come for you in Miami. We have pool sharks. He's on fairly aggressive, right and Kellyanne great white or like twenty feet the pen cones out there or the pine cones here about the size of this of pinecone out there like the size of football. Everything is up more streets bigger. It's a bigger Gubbay pun. But is maybe it's because of the elevator. You're probably breed more oxygen than we do. There's a big Hughes. While w whole lot of that. As we. Ron. Oh, yeah. Sure. So right, man. Anton just record. Well, you know, what I would love to make a John every man podcast show as a trag off with almost every man podcast. Yeah. That's what people do. Right. You're supposed to like on a show you spend for men and there's like a song. Gimme. I'm doing well. How about this? I'll give you guys the opportunity right now. We'll do that. We'll close it. I will one more free session and then from there. We'll just say, I final goodbye. Let me holler at Trump finishing of this show. Yeah. Let us highlight you finish up this show. As that's noodles favorite time with the show when it's wrapping up. On the radio. Time is then pennies tile. Escalade quicker. This is just follow the show and you'll find out all about goes into sniffing Pani adventures. I'm gonna let you guys cares. But tell you gotta jump in. I tried. I tried Repin, but I'm barris myself. All right. Thank you. Cheetos. Freeloaders? Go free throw in. Mostly now, even Venezuelan Hockett. Chevaux kept the bucket. Blackout. On that. Tank starts staying bucket. On the dog thing products. Live. What you need and I'm taking with the. He doesn't like threes. Thirty. Plus. Dope. I'll go into the next one light Chet son living like a Jetson might just so real you could put it in get it if you can live in how you gotta do what you do is board in the fuck non smoking on content. I'm thinking life wondering how. In the mongst fucking in the sky rookie flying though on the man win the fro on to do what I do know that. I don't know. But I'm making it up. You should do the same. That episode and nothing is certain until they closed the car in minimum praying that is Martha shit praying. That is worth it. I'm not worth is trying to live my life with purpose in the span. Memphis, certain this O'neil state of mind, just like some fish and all these underway. They live in blind. But honestly stressed the wrong things in my soul, fun shit. Find as a mom crazy and insane dog route along route along right out on this song, China do it man do on what ride long run out on the song. Around the law drown. Johnnie Walker on long walk. Lowered floor audit. Get the void is go boards that they are three because I've got that only good. It's firts, and you know, she come through sport. And then I got hit administered. Fucking ball. Dirk. And knocking gee this game. Like online Lewinsky in speed. Around this. The ski. Riding on a tense. What we gotta do against me a world seeing that kid get it. Somebody phone on if they don't get it. I mean, it ringing the angle why you keep calling doing the same thing, bro. The definition of sanity. Nash, it just book maps with me gotta move on. Getting did a song on every minute show. Don't go ahead and get that wrong. We'll get it. Right. Exciting. Life is like what would the lights in the darkness everything beyond caucus flesh? Shit too debt. We just go on crying. So we must die laughing. Life is just the same in the app too. That is. And you might be on. But. Gone off of light. Will you come back? Ause despite just do this. No. I just do it. Like, I'm Mike Gaba threats stike by came back into song. Gotta do it never wrong with it in these never get that. We'll do that. Again, don't really got the hot. I'd rather go in the men and then my life onto this new new place new face the same thing doing on to do. Go ahead and maintain never been a lame brain the same thing these negative state doing man, I wonder why can't they say anything at all? That's really weird hair in China may get knifing perfect would is really worth clearance. Don't live in the midst on live in the fog hits. He was in the dog beyond automotives and beyond the dogs and cats while they fight trying to go for the top funded. Just go ahead and life because my would you make death is just an option everything between his choice, if they get in office of choose wisely men right beside the every man with Tao's Ciba's damn and shit. The man, right. Of new aka. The next time. I know for sure to fucking go. If there's a next time. I'd love to come back. Right. Oh, man. You friend of the show. You're welcome back into the future. I've waited and I do a plug really quick. That's what I was about to get to my friend. Please plug away we want you to have people follow you, and whatever you want. I appreciate that. Thank you. Follow me. You can catch me on soundcloud. Soundcloud backlash J age ODA C H HI, right? Then if you wanna catch on g you see my life in camera, that's Instagram mind, your own m I n d why a the number zero w it right and do have other things to get to the other things 'cause I'll get to those other things eventually. People people on your Instagram can follow the link there. Listen to your music and stuff on this year, and they're kind of coating so if you get one you'll have access to the other and vice versa. And I know you have a lot of the stuff that you said you do artwork. Yes. You can catch me as in fashion. It's like this beautiful art gallery on Biscane and fourteen. If you ever have an opportunity to go by there, we do events all the time amazing people Carter Jonathan if you're an artist, regardless of whether in the country, and you're into expanding checkout Caribbean college of arts, they're not just in the Caribbean. That's like a beautiful thing. Pauline amazing. And the people that were with ours are blessed and fortunate enough that they're really extending opportunities to other people to help grow themselves. If as a culture as a community as artists if you hope another artists be successful that kind of intern hosts the whole community be successful. You know? Yeah. I guess a lot of questions about what do I think? And I get that. You get a lot of a lot of negative connotations. Like fuck this or fuck that. But it's like, regardless of preference is just about growing and progressing. It is man. It's all about a big ever Lucien. Yes. Let me ask you out of curiosity. Have you done more songs or paintings? It depends. I've been alive thirty years. And I told you I started both in the third grade. But I just started record it when I was eighteen nineteen. That's when I got into. So you got a few more paintings than you do songs I have sketchbooks from when I was a kid. You know? So I have a lot word of painting and your aunt and sketch it and things like that. Wow. Do you and your shows incorporate your art into your music? I'm never done that I'm trying to start now all really just a little league there. Absolutely. I've been looking for how we're going to let you. We're going to let you have sketchbooks where we're talking about. I appreciate hey, man. I am consumer here. Everybody does. But that's cool. Man. I hope you guys check out his music and his artwork and follow him on Instagram. And and the other social media humanity mentioned there, and did you have fun on the show, man? I had a blessed one for the records like my first show ever first podcast. My first podcast is the first time anybody's ever asked me questions about what Russia format like this whole thing. That's amazing experience. I don't even know what questions I asked. But I'm glad you appreciate it. Somebody named Black Mamba is like well. Black mama really wants to know. How did this show turn out? It's everyone needs to know. Thanks to the crew for being here until it was good seeing you again there. It was speciality hemp Matteo near doesn't come around as often anymore. Before he's a performance artist. Yeah. Maybe like. Into circuit. I've seen this is. Guys. Follow us on the everyman podcast, show dot com. You can check out this episode of many other ones on their summer on visual and some are just on audio. But you can enjoy my the way, and you could catch us on all those sound clouds, and I don't know what we're on the has Batman over there. I'm going to have to get him one day to find out what we're really on. But yeah, just like that we're going to wrap up the show. I'm your host, John. Every man we'll see them the next the next episode. Different. Never. Taylor.

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#53 | Theater for the Mind

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#53 | Theater for the Mind

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There is a radio in every household and every car, and it wasn't just music or news. Like today, there were full-fledged dramatic stories on the radio when you listen to a drama instead of watching it it forces you to dive headfirst into your imagination in this episode. We're gonna take a trip back in time to win radio. Dramas were king. We made the Sepah sewed with our friend Eric Molinski of imaginary world, which is an amazing podcast about the SCI fi and fantasy genres. Here's eric. When Emory Braswell was growing up in the nineteen thirties. He's still love listening to radio drama serials. Well, I listen to the shadow. And own ranger. Jack Armstrong Yola American boy ring on my finger up Jim, but Emory's parents restricted the amount of radio he could listen to especially at night, although they made exceptions. If Joe Louis was boxing, or if the president was addressing the nation, then one night in October of nineteen thirty eight Emory heard his father's model a Ford pull up to the house. And he thought he heard Franklin Roosevelt on the radio. The nation. I shall not try to feel the gravity weight front. So I ran down and got in the car. My mother was sitting there too. And I said what was happening and he said, well, there's some kind of story going on about an invasion. We're being invaded by Mars or something. My father sounded skeptical. I wished impress upon you all of you need, com- and resources. So I listen to it. And sure enough it was some body supposedly from either the State Department or the government is my family would say talking about a media that it crashed in New Jersey and the being coming out of it. And they were destroying all the local militias of the month. But is now in control of the middle section of New Jersey and has cut the state Senate communication lines down from Pennsylvania to the United. Go. One of the fascinating parts the program was it was a music togue grand. And they would interrupt the music bulletins coming from jersey. Ladies and gentlemen, we ended up top programme dense view bring you a special from the intercontinental Radio New at twenty minutes before eight central time. Professor foul of getting observatory Kogyo Illinois reports observing several just white. I listening to trying to decide is this old happening are not my father was kind of skeptical because when it was over with a says, I think it's a hoax as I said, we business about the music going on and bulletins coming made. It seem much more real. Yeah. Columbus, circle, I notice models of nineteen Seventy-nine nine Motorola's the showrooms facing empty streets. Then when the program was over it seemed to go back to regular programming. And we couldn't understand that we listened for further announcements and nothing came some my father said that proves it's a hoax, and you know, I took it seriously. Eventually they learned that they had been listening to war of the worlds adapted by Orson Welles Neil Verma teaches radio history at Northwestern University. He says there's a reason why young Emory Braswell thought you heard Franklin Roosevelt during that show. There's a moment in the world, the world's broadcast where the secretary of the interior comes on the, you know, the microphone in the world of the fiction, and originally that piece was written to be not the secretary of the interior, but president Roosevelt, but the CBS network said, no, no, no. You can't have president Roosevelt's voice if it's not actually president Roosevelt. People get confused. We'll get in trouble. We can't do it. And so or says, okay. Well, we'll change it to the secretary of interior and the actor who portrayed the role goes up twelve according to legend and says, well, I don't know how the secretary of the interior sounds and well says don't worry. He sounds just like Roosevelt. I mean, that's the achievement would the world's think is it sounds like the weather FU cost is sounds like a radio show playing music, gradually shifts. That's Richard J hand he teaches radio drama at the university of East Anglia in the UK. And I think that's one reason it had Jim pact. Is that understanding we can take Jona and then jump full and use it the the structures in full metering conventions of another fool Minolta's to tell a story when we think about pop culture in the twentieth century, we tend to focus on movies television or pop music. It's easy to forget. That radio was the dominant form of entertainment for decades. There were hit shows in every genre. But science fiction in particular kept pushing the boundaries of the medium could do in these kind of radio dramas, actually, laid the groundwork for stories that couldn't be done on film for decades because special effects weren't good enough in some ways, they're like the missing cultural. Link between John fiction and the movies and shows that we watch today, but they're also standalone works of audio art that can play with the human imagination ways at the printed word in the visual image ever. Could. There is such a rich history of sound in radio dramas, they capture your imagination in a special way is a really unique experience compared to watching a movie or watching television show. So let's start by zooming out. And looking at the big picture win to the golden age of radio dramas, really start. They really seem to have taken off in nineteen thirty four when the FCC was created which is the Federal Communications Commission, which is still around today. And that's the network started forming to like CBS and NBC which are also still around today, but mostly in the form of television. Yeah. And Neil Verma says that you know, when the networks got into the business of making these highly produced radio dramas there were not exactly motivated by noble reasons if they couldn't demonstrate. A a level of public service that they were giving to the listeners out there. Then they ran the risk of further government regulation and intrusion. And so all of the money, they were making out of selling all that boot black and soup, and and yeast and t would be taken away so they enshrined in their mandate. The idea of creating high cultural content for a lot of them that meant making radio drama. If we look at the big picture each decade of radio drama had its own style. The radio dramas in the thirties. Very ambitious grappled with big nationalistic ideas because it was the depression, and then in the forties things -iety around the war got channeled into radio dramas that were more like film new ours, or I guess you. Call them radio ours deal Verma actually had to go way of putting it in the nineteen thirties radio is is kind of a theater in the mine. So it's a big theatrical space that you're supposed to imagine your mind, and in the nineteen forties becomes really theater about the mind. And then in the fifties radio dramas are very influenced by the Cold War with the aliens standing in for the Soviets. There's a really famous radio drama called zero hour from nineteen fifty five which was written by Ray Bradbury. Actually, a lot of famous writers got their start in radio and the alien invasion is told from the point of view of a woman who discovers that the kids in her neighbourhood, including her daughter had been co opted by these inter dimensional beings. And the parents think at first the kids are playing a game. But slowly this woman begins to realize the truth window. Are you talking to the rosebush mom only? It's not really a rosebush that's drill drill. He's planning the invasion. What an imagination you'd medication Indian cleanup suffer injustice. Second mom, the main character played by each Ashdown is immobile almost all of this play takes place in her kitchen or living room, most of the interplay between her and her daughter the ones where she comes to suspect that the daughters collaborating with his evil alien happen at chests, the edge of our earshot. The abbey. Make make we've got to save. Don't you understand? She's leaving them. She's leaving them. She's on their side. Henry please God forgive them on their side. She told us, but we wouldn't believe. Know you're in there. God is so eerie. I love it. Yeah. You know? I think a lot of people have a misconception that radio dramas from this era were really goofy or naive. Yeah. I mean, I used to think that it was just like two guys begging coconuts together in front of a microphone me. Look the hoses coming to them. Yeah. Exactly. But and that was true for some radio serials, especially the ones aimed at kids. But when I listened to the shows, I couldn't believe how dark in weird they were for that era. How exactly was the FCC? Okay with that was funny because the FCC was more concerned with obscenity or overt political messages. Or as we heard earlier, you can't have someone impersonate Franklin Roosevelt, but radio is done under the same kind of moralistic code that Hollywood was back then where they were really restricted by what kind of stories they could tell couldn't tell and Neil verba things is because sensors really feared the power of visual images. But the. Underestimated the power of audio to create images in our mind. Almost everyone talks about radio's applying medium, which is a peculiar way of thinking about a medium like no one talks about sculptures, death, medium. And so it's it's strange to characterize or essentially medium by something. It can't provide people who kind of our boosters for the medium will say don't talk about what what radio doesn't have an image and talk about how it's images can be more malleable than images that take on some kind of physical visual form. Okay. So now, I'm really intrigued. Eric can give me some more examples of this really dark stuff. Well, thrillers were the dominant format especially in the forties. But they weren't just spy thrillers. Or detective shows a lot of these radio dramas are what we would categorize as horror today some things that we might think of toast, Joe dramatic living dead. This kind of on the happy ending you in the thirties and forties again as Richard hand. One great example of that was Chopra's play burial services, which is about in a very grim story about a young woman being buried alive in Kofin. And we hear the inside of a head of kind of stream of consciousness because she's not dead. She's in a catatonic cafe. So whatever it might be. No, one rescues her unfo- Shas, no recoding that particular pace. But the response was phenomenal. You know, those lots of letters complaints Schulkin discussed out show, eight get sacked. But actually, the station will happy say, wow, this many people complaining how many people are listening. This is fantastic. A lot of these shows, especially in the thirties and forties. We're live in listeners really were disgusted if the FCC decided to clamp down the networks was simply promise not to do it again. And they couldn't because it was live the most famous horror story from his era was the thing on the formal board which was from an anthology series called quiet, please. This was around nineteen forty eight it's mostly monologue from an oilfield worker. And he's telling the story about he and his friend found an alien creature on a former board, which is like a catwalk on an oil rig, and he describes his creature as having the head and torso of a girl. But the body of a giant spider. I knew where it came from come from the policy of the earth come riding up on the drill pipe as we yanked. It out of the will come to an alien world. Stood there. Dripping was red paint blood-red from head to foot like some horrible dream. And put his hand on my arm hand was stall living stall. As his character's talking. He's waiting for his wife to come out. And eventually, we realize his wife is the creature. We're not a passive listener where her next meal. Freight. Maybe I've fallen. Very. I can just guys the body in long dresses. She can't hear very well. And when she's hungry. I have to stay out of her way. I found out what she likes to eat. Remember? No, no should still should still do such stellar. I'll have to shoot you. I want you to meet my wife are rather. My wife wants to meet you. Is. Oh my goodness. So it's like the difference between reading a book and watching a movie, there's always something that's lost. Because these words are being tapped into a different part of your brain that are triggering kind of this deeper intellect. This whole clip is like the perfect example of how I don't want to see any of this stuff. And even if it was visual, you'd lose a lot of this deep inner thought so this whole audio only communicating I don't think could be done the same way visually because it's hitting me in a totally different place in my brain. Then if I was absorbing that through my eyes. Yeah. I mean, it's funny because when I was listening to this. I started imagining okay, this was a live action movie in the seventies eighties. It would have been some kind of stop motion creature which may have seen scary or a puppet. But I mean, it would have gotten dated today. The creature would be CG, which I have a big issue against a lot of CD stub. I think it looked so fake either way something would have been lost hope. Horror films in the nineteen forties were nothing like this. When this episode came out in nineteen forty eight the big kind of quote horror movie that year was Abbott and Costello, meet Frankenstein. In the nineteen fifties television became more accessible because of this radio dramas began to slowly decline in popularity but in the nineteen seventies. And even today radio dramas have made a surprising comeback more after the break. If you're hearing my voice right now, I am certain that you care more about sound than just about anyone else. You know, you also know that speakers play a huge part in the overall listening experience for years setting up a home theater was complicated and expensive, but not any more recently. I've been using the Sonos beam. 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Dot com slash twenty K and our listeners will get a free month of splice with the promo code twenty K again, that's dot com slash two zero k. Radio dramas create some of the most vivid and exciting listening experiences. But one of the things that fascinated me and researching the history of radio dramas was just how people listen to them. Typically, we magin entire family sitting in the living room staring at a radio wedding for it to eventually evolve into becoming a television set, which is true to some extent. But in this era, people were used to listening to the radio in the car. And there were these little devices called Krystal sets there were these crude pieces of technology with a copper wire that acted as an earbud. So these people were listening on portable devices just like we do and that makes it such a unique experiences cinema. It's these other coachroof assumes, it's something that invading your domestic space. And I think that's why science fiction horror undestood that on radio. It's also fascinating how they used sound effects to stimulate the listeners imagination. Neil Verma talked about a pioneer in the field named ORA Nichols. She worked with Orson Welles for years in the war of the world. There's this famous scene where you could hear the Martian vessel cooling, and she did that by taking a cast iron pot and rubbing. It's two sides together to make that really specific grind voice. Humming. Sound seems come from inside the object. I love movie microphone near here. We're not five feet away. Now, she also build machines, and there were companies that would put together, you know, what we would think of sound effects libraries on transcription discs and Richard hand says audio engineers had all sorts of shortcuts ready to go just like that say if you wanted to simulate a gunshot sometimes that use a metal road leather seat, and you get Chris bang sound. That would what really well, I've got a gun. This is one of my favorite things demonstrate with apprentice coup sessional radio way, you can take a cool on wets it and squeak hits against the side of both lower Sosa. And that was the fact they use for the sound of rats because she got this week. He squeaky sound. But none of this mattered. If the Mike wasn't placed properly that may sound like a minor detail. But Neil Verma says might placement was crucial not only with props. But with actors to the world that is the off Mike environment. That's where radio drama happens. And that's how you create really important relationships. Like what character you close to what character, do you? Do you? Listen to in the thirties and forties radio dramas were performed live. So there was a limit to how many of the tricks you can do. But in the nineteen fifties. They moved over to prerecorded magnetic tape, which gave the audio engineers a lot more creative freedom and radios themselves became more sophisticated so listeners could hear this subtler sound design. Speaking of advances in technology, the conventional wisdom of the time is at radio dramas went out of fashion because TV came along. And that's true. To some extent. The networks did a ton of money and talent over television. But something else push radio dramas off the air. It was rock and roll. Remember, these were commercial radio stations, and they catered to the marketplace, but radio dramas kept going in the UK. Well, that's because the BBC is government funded, and that's not really something that happens in the states as much, and they also have multiple outlets. So they could play rock on one channel and radio dramas on the other and on top of all of that they could create television network or multiple television networks so it wasn't like a zero sum game. Not at all. And you talked with someone who worked at the BBC at the time. Yeah. Dirk maggs. He's been directing radio dramas for decades. Try and think through the sequence of events of even the shortest quickest sound. He's mostly work with the BBC. But he's been working with audible lately, he did this adaptation of Terry practice. Discworld novels is big flat world on the back of a group of elephants. That are the back of giant turtle. That's swimming through space thinking how the hell do that? But you know, you take sequentially described to describe the elephants described the world, it's only and then go into the world that would be my wife going at it. But when Dirk Maggs got to the BBC in the late nineteen seventies. He says that reate Rama's we're still going, but they're feeling a little stale creatively. And there are a lot of legacy shows have been on the air for years and then in nineteen seventy eight Douglas Adams who was a writer, Dr Who created this really unusual radio drama called the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. In fact, it wasn't even a drama. It was an epic science fiction comedy, which is John row that had never been done before based on the radio. They really didn't think it was going to get much for listenership. So they put it off post ten at night. It was not expected to do much business. And by the third week. The listening figures they were getting by with through the roof for myself going into the BBC as technician it was the only thing everybody was talking about. Fans for the development of the. Regions of the galaxy recorded goading hyperspace express, route through your star system and regret of your plan is one of those Chevy relation. He takes finesse and two of your minutes out. Point acting surprised about James cutting charts dealer. Shortest on display department outfits in Torah of fifty two. Next start fuss about. The radio show was such a hit Douglas Adams, of course, adapted into a bestselling novel actually series of novels, and then the BBC adapted those novels back into radio and eventually Douglas Adams chose Dirk Maggs to work in the later radio shows, I think hit showing his would as a radio drama full the reasons that really didn't come off other television series or a movie if you have a story that the very beginning of it is the end of everything I mean, that's the conceit. The first episode of the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy destroys the earth and everybody on it. An leaves just to humans. I see only one human in the first episode alive that is so fast. And so am vicious and idea that will I don't wanna listen to the next week's episodes in the who is is go from the second. Only the enormity of it. If you. In the imaginative state where over these these images coming to you, and you combine that with writing which says the vogue on ships hung in the in precisely the way that bricks don't, you know, it could only be balloon in audio media. It's it's it's too big into way to combine those elements, and that's the that was Douglas achievement. Eventually radio drama got a second life in the US to thanks to science fiction. Again, this around the same time late nineteen seventies. NPR was struggling which is hard to imagine. Because NPR is a powerhouse today. But it was still pretty new back then and the president of NPR Frank Mankiewicz thought that a radio drama event could bring a new listeners. So he asked John houseman for advice. John houseman was an actor and one of the founders of Juilliard he also worked with Orson Welles back on war of the worlds houseman recommended that they hire an audio engineer named Richard Toscan to create this big radio drama event having been handed this hot potato. I went back to John houseman. And I said, okay, you got me this job. How do you think I could develop an audience for public radio in America? How would you do that? And it is sort of professor kings for voice e after thinking a moment, he said create a scandal. This is the late seventies. I mean at that point what is still shocking, and then a friend of Richard said kind of jokingly why don't you do Star Wars on the radio and he thought. Here was at the time. The most visual film Hollywood had ever made. And to say, you were gonna turn that into radio just sounded so outlandish that it had to be possible. And I think the other thing that was feeding into that is everybody at NPR under Frank Mankiewicz that his anybody below Frank was scandalised by the idea. You know, this was seeing as the most low brow boring kind of thing the result. Of course, was that after the thirteen episodes aired despite all of the Stipe being whatever been PR the measurements. Then came in showed according to NPR that had raised the audience for NPR by forty percent. NPR Star Wars was groundbreaking in other ways. It was also in stereo, which was not common back, then they got Lucasfilm to lend them, Ben Burtt sound effects and the John Williams score they had to recast most of the actors except Mark Hamill. But Richard Toscan says the recasting worked in their favor part of the ideas that we didn't want the series or these I didn't want the series to be a clone of the film. You know, I didn't want people to sit down in front of their radio and say, oh, this is you know, I remember this from three years ago or whatever remember Star Wars was a two hour movie. This was a six hour thirteen part radio drama. So they got the late writer, Brian Daley who had written Star Wars spinoff novels to add additional scenes that were not in the movie, I you prepared to kill. So we got to hear all about laze relationship with her father on all to run. I didn't start this the. Empire. Did I want only to stop it? Father. It may be too late even for that. The wounded rebel. You bought home? Gave us information. The empire has a secret project underway, and we got to here. Luke training with OBI wan kanobi? Now, you'll blade. Lightsaber feels kind of like it's a live. It isn't a way through. Ready I defensive posture, and you'll Verma says that NPR's Star Wars actually had a huge influence on the generation coming of age in the seventies and eighties. That may have seen radio. Dramas pesci? Essay. A lot of people who make audio dramas today. Look back at this as the gold standard. But I think it's not just the gold standard because of those the great score or the great sound effects or any of those sorts of things. But I think because it it really creates these deep senses of character out of what what had been relatively two-dimensional characters. And that's something that a lot of audio dramas these days to explore. It's become a much more writer Lee medium. Most of these old radio dramas are available for free online. So it's a hidden treasure trove to discover I find it amazing that these shows were built for the analog world, but they're also perfect for the digital age today. Thanks to podcasting audio dramas are making a huge comeback and not only that they're becoming so popular that there are major television networks starting to notice. We're now seeing television at patients of audio shows just look at homecoming Lor start up and others. I believe audio dramas are going to continue to grow in popularity and who knows maybe we'll make one. But in the meantime, if there any big shot studio executives looking for a television series about sound, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Twenty thousand Hertz is produced out of the studios of defacto sound find out more at defacto sound dot com. This was written by Eric Molinski with help from assistant producer, Stephanie Bilman. You should take a moment to immediately. Go subscribe to Eric's podcast imaginary worlds. I have no doubt you'll love it. Just imaginary world in any podcast player over on the twenty thousand Hertz side, thanks to Sam Snead who helped produce this episode along with Nick, Bradley who mixed adapted. This episode things. 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"We're all shopping for essentials online these days and now you can get rewarded for it with the bank of america cash rewards credit card. You can choose to earn three percent. Cashback online shopping essentials. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright. Twenty twenty bank of america corporation charlotte. Father hello and welcome to another slate spoiler special podcast this week. We are going to be talking about manque. The new david fincher movie about herman mankiewicz and the process of writing the script of citizen kane and joining me to talk about. This movie is matthew desam. Who is slates browbeat editor contributor. I think of you as slate. Sort of wild man on tap crazy crazy uncle in the attic. You do nights and weekends coverage. And i always know that slate after dark is going to be somewhere interesting because matthew decima. Is there another reason. I wanted to have you on for manque is because you are a hollywood historian. You have a book. On clyde brockman the silent comedian and director you. General seem to be interested in hollywood history and things from from that period And so you have written a factor fiction browbeat post about what's true and what's not in bank and that's a lot of stuff to go through right there. That's not all we'll talk about but it's some of the things that we'll talk about and in general are just interested as a my in this period of a classic hollywood so one of the things i wanna do in this spoiler special is to get into you know how this movie deviates from history and condenses history in does defiant things with what actually happened but of course we are also talking about it as a work of art and fictional documents. So i think. I'll start off the way i usually do with these spoiler special podcast and just ask. What did you think thumbs up thumbs down. Would you send your friends to this. Movie thumbs sideways. Guess it would depend on the friends. It's a it's a really beautiful looking movie. The photography the documentaries gorgeous it is entertaining for the most part. It gets kind of in the weeds in some of the hollywood stuff. I would say if you're someone who knows a little bit about hollywood history. You'll love it if you're somebody knows a little bit more about how would history the people where you're just shaking your fist at the screen but But yeah. I think it's a pretty well made movie. Yeah that brings up the question of who it was made for which. I'd like to talk about a little bit later on. I mean you. And i would seem to be in. This movie's ideal target audience right. We both have seen citizen kane. I'm sure many many times we've probably read biographies of many of the major figures that appear in this movie. Were sort of like fertile nerd ground for this movie to take seed in and yet at the same time as you say people of that ilk are the ones that are most likely to notice what doesn't belong in the movie and And the stuff that that it gets wrong Yeah i think. I went into make with such high expectations between really being a pretty big david. Fincher fan i mean not blindly. So he's made some movies. I don't like but certainly i think he's one of the more exciting filmmakers out there and him taking on this subject matter with this cast seemed so fascinating that i experienced it as a little bit disappointing. Just because as i say in my review slate it's diffuse like this is a movie that doesn't quite know what it wants to be about and it's about a lot of different things at once and i think while being seduced by the beautiful surfaces of it and the look and sound that will talk about i kind of find myself around twenty minutes in when the first fake real change glitz appeared in the corner because of them but around the timing of that first real change. I found myself thinking. Where is this movie actually going. And whose story does it want us to focus on in care about. So let's get into Just exactly what. It is trying to cover. I i started off by saying that. It's about the process of writing citizen kane. It's actually about a very specific. Moment is one of those bio-pics that's about a very specific slice of its subjects life. Can you talk about where. Herman bank with is at in his life and career and just geographically as we start this movie. Yeah he is At the beginning of the movie we see him in victorville california which is a town small town in the middle of nowhere checking into a ranch and the reason he is there is because he has broken his leg. horribly In an automobile accident he was actually semi fleeing los angeles. Like it was. There was a deal where his wife didn't actually know he was planning to go to new york and he caught a ride with. This guy broke long story short. He checked into this ranch for a month and a half and over that period produced one of the. I mean we'll get into the office of questions but a drafter citizen kane and it focuses on you know that slice and then there are flashbacks that go back as far as nineteen thirty of the events that brought make which to writing the script. I guess right so the basic timeframes were in our the the present day of the movie right. Which is i guess. Nineteen forty came through march of nineteen forty eight when they were doing that writing. Right when he's holed up in this kind of cottage in the desert in victorville california with and this becomes important. The people he's holed up with he's holed up with a german nurse. Who's there to take care of his leg. Which is attraction. I and it slowly gets a little bit more usable. And with this typist this young british woman who was assigned to be his secretary who he dictates the screenplay to and as you say in real life he was also hold up with john houseman. The actor and producer and former collaborator with orson welles. Who was sort of storming on the screen. Play with him right there in the cabin the movie makes that a different setup and has housman just sort of come in for occasional browbeating sessions. About how the writing is going. It's kind of wild. it's like they just. They didn't know what to do with housman. If he was in the other scenes there is a character which he would have been because realize he was he and Make which each had one bedroom in a two bedroom suite and we're in the commentary working on the movies and this one. They put the nursing one bedroom. The read alexander the typist in the other end set up in the living room and then they sent housman off to bike another hotel. But it's clearly. It's one of those things where it's like. These will work better with fewer characters so let's imagine pretext to remove character right and as you point out it also makes housman have more expository role in the narrative right because he can come swooping in and say. Hey how's the script writing going and then deliver his verdict on how it's going in fact maybe we should drop a clip in here Of of that visit that house would makes early on to the victorville ranch house. Because i think it starts to get into the question of the he's writing and whether it's It's something that's gonna be film -able and sort of both what makes it such a radical script when it is eventually turned into a movie. And what makes everybody think it's going to be such failure. All i am saying is no an right like that houseman. I had the narrative is one big circle at cinnamon roll neither straight line pointing to the nearest exit. You cannot capture a man's entire life in two hours or you can hope to leave the impression that nobody expects. Shakespeare people aren't spending harder and twenty five cents. See macbeth maestro. The dodgers ace boy did my best do beth. Don't be fooled is a showman oscar reveling in sleight of hand. Save yourself the trouble. Be done in sixty. He'll get this and the audience will to stop worrying. Have a pickle. I think you're not hungry. Haven't been since we got here. Giulio right todd. Aim low so. Yeah so this clip kind of gets into some of this stuff that. I found a little frustrated about the movie. Because you can hear that conversation. It's one of those bio-pic conversations that exists for the subject of the film to sound like a genius which means that other people sound like less genius and in this case john houseman. Sounds like a fool but he was not It's set up so that make woods gets to be smart guy. Who reminds john. Houseman that orson welles. Once made a macbeth production and has been sort of says. I was showmanship. But that was actually. That was john houseman project. It was his concept to do this. Wpa play macbeth with an all black cast. He brought wells into directed He wasn't the guy who was trying to steer people away from doing sort of you know intellectual. He was a a theater director. He wouldn't have made this argument. He wouldn't have not remembered macbeth because it was his thing. But the script need smiechowicz to see more than other people so someone who was there turns into is changing somebody who he was not in real life so that make could get that credit and that happens a lot of different seasons when different characters in this right and that actually brings up a sort of conceptual thing about this movie that i should have set up top. Which is that the script was written or at least. The original version of the script was written by jack. Venture david fincher spotter. Who died in two thousand three and this was a lifetime dream of his that he would write the script about the writing of citizen kane. Which more strongly than this movie does want to make this very anti wells argument. Right that That essentially it was herman mankiewicz entirely who had written the script and that orson welles is being a credit hog in putting his name on the script as well as he did. This is also largely the argument that pauline kale made in her controversial book. Cain about the writing of the script and it seems to me. And he said in interviews that david venture has less of an axe to grind about this But the boobies still does seem to want to sideline wells in that way. It doesn't ridicule wells. Were make him look insignificant but he's a small part of the movie right. I mean he the actor who plays him tom. Burke appears seen mainly from behind on the phone briefly pops up in a couple of scenes in the cabin but is really not a very major figure in a movie about citizen kane. And it's not with housman like you can say they're making this person. Say things he would never have said seem stupider than he actually seems to have been in real life with wells. They don't go that route but they just amid a lot of stuff about it like the in this movie in the flashback. You see where he gets hired two to right citizen kane. You see the automobile crash and then you see make traction and wells comes over and says we need to talk and the next thing you know. He's working on citizen kane in the invocation is well. He's hired this guy to write this hearse bio-pic but that's not what happened. Wells came madman traction and hired him to write radio scripts for him. They worked together. On a couple of mercury theater scripts and then they spent like a month and a half batting ideas around trying to come up with a feature screenplay that they could work together And it doesn't assert. The movie doesn't assert that that didn't happen but it doesn't show it And in its place you have this stack of notebooks growing in victorville as as a detailed script but he went out there with like three hundred pages of notes from their story conferences and stuff. It was not a creative project. Where at a certain point as Said talking about an make what's to they just. Were not getting anywhere talking to over anymore. So they went off to. Nick went off to write a script But that initial part of the creative process that's part of the creative process and they just admit it because it's sort of like you say it's sort of pulling kale theory of it And it seems like ventures that jack ventures version of it probably was just adaptation of raising cain like. That's that seems to be kind of how david fincher describes the draft from the ninety s. Right i mean. I i think watching this movie something that kept occurring to me. Was that the active writing a particularly active writing a screenplay that so collaborative in nature is something. That's really hard to dramatize right. And i'm sure it's all the harder to dramatize if you're actually true to how complex and collaborative it is and to what degree it is. You know people rewriting heaps of notes that we've talked about in rooms by other people you know that is just dramatically inert so i'm sure part of it was not just to grind an acts about who wrote citizen kane but to create a unitary character narrative that could they could carry the story. I mean exactly like as a as a narrative. It's not watertight but it's not bad. It has these two parallel plotlines that eventually intersect one showing the writing a citizen kane and the other one showing the events that lead which to betray hurston. that way. Yeah i wanna get to those events but since they take a while to come up in the movie he'll put them off for now and talk about the flashback structure which i think these are the strongest parts of the movie so when we're not in victorville with a guy and traction You know drinking and trying to singlehandedly right the citizen kane script. We cut back to hollywood in the early thirties. And this is a whole different kind of atmosphere right a whole different period and is a very people kind of world unlike the empty world of victorville. And and there's a lot going on there and it's it's really fun so let's let's talk about the first. Flashback going back to nineteen thirty where we suddenly see a much younger mankiewicz Play gary oldman. I don't think we've mentioned that yet. Anybody who seen even the trailer to this knows. That is a wits And we see him entering. I believe the first time we see him in the flashback. He's entering the paramount studios. Isn't that right. Yeah yeah it's paramount in nineteen thirty and it's that classic now we're an old. Hollywood flashback thing where he walks through the backlot past the extras from the circus movie. That they're always filming vintage backlots. Just in case you needed to know that it was a flashback. I actually thought this was kind of fun technique. You see this typewritten. Legend at the bottom of the screen. Right as if we were reading the script to manque as we're watching and you see you. Know flashback thirty. You mentioned the cigarette burns earlier. The the real change marks that they have in the of sort of imitation analog stuff in that and the The typewriter thing is another one of those one of those details but but yeah it's so it's it's paramount nineteen thirty and we get a scene in which charles leader is from new york. And he's received a telegram from. Herman quits encouraging. Come out there and work. It's a telegram. That actually went to ben hecht but it's the sort of famous thing that says millions are to be made here in your only competition is idiots. Don't this get around. It was one of the part of this kind of great migration new york writers to los angeles in the round the time but the movie started having sound in them basically and there's a whirlwind shot where we meet all these people in the paramount writer's room you know Estee perlman as their kaufman. Charles macarthur and a fictional character named shelley metcalf. Who will get back to later. I guess that is another those phil nerd scenes. Where it's like if you know who those guys are. It's kind of fun. But i can imagine that being very wordy and why are we hearing all these dudes names. None of them really become major characters. Well it's yeah and actually like that was something. I watched the movie watching that scene. It's kind of an amazing little lum when caught deft exactly but the way in which those conversations are written so that everybody gets to say their full name is one of those What's the phrase in elegant variation or whatever it's like with a as day problem in there like they have literally ask me and he's like oh that's fine and then trump mccarthy say the whole thing and then Mister kaufman georgia's fine. Whatever it's like a They found in a different way for each one of those three people to have a pretext for explicitly. Kidding me full names. Bio-pic seen will never not now remind me of the walk hard scene. Where all the beatles meet. Remember they meet with with john c reilly in i guess with the maharishi right and they all introduce each other by their full names at all times. That's the one. And i'm john lennon of the beatles. Yeah that there's a lot of the parts of bank that may be grown. The most were the ones where it sort of followed bio-pic convention those closely and there are definitely some parts of it where you're like okay. Yeah that's that's what these movies do at this point in the movie. Yeah and there's not really that much purpose to to that paramount scene except to establish that you know in this earlier time mike was part of this writer's room was sort of holding court. In a way i think was regarded as one of the big wigs of this writer's room And was also an inveterate gambler. You see him making ridiculous bets on whether a coin is gonna come up heads or tails. was a big drinker stripper with pasties on in the room with mr typist. So it's kind of establishing that there's this dissolute world of writer's room guys at paramount And there was also a little a movie history solace in there that i saw film twitter exploding about do you have anything to say about about that moment. I missed this. When i was writing the fact versus fiction just just flooded right by me. But there's a scene where you have them go to a story conference with the southern just von sternberg who is just there because they like. Just sternberg out there. There are celebrities that show this movie for no story reason besides like someone whose name you recognize should be here. So this is the person But they pitch a movie that they describe as a frankenstein. The wolfman all rolled up into one and frankenstein is nineteen thirty one. The woman is not until nineteen forty one and nineteen thirty here and then sort of this is of paramount story thing paramount being at that point kind of a prestige house Stern at the picture. Don't wanna do it. And they talk about universal's reputation is like a low budget that's where low budget it's made but it wasn't like that that was later in the decade. That's almost a moment of an unforced error like they didn't need to go into that much detail of the story and make that mistake it. Did it actually got completely by me at the time and didn't bother me at all but it seems like one of the many moments that this movie is narrating out so hard that it kinda gets in its own way set in the idea of classic hollywood some of it but i will say that some of the better stuff in the flashback in some of the characters that really come to life come up in the next scene at san simeon castle. And that's where we get into my favorite part of the movie. Which is the stuff to do with with marion davies and william randolph hearst. And their relationship to to filmmaking. So charles letter as you say played by. joseph cross. is this young writer who is brought into the fold of these these writers room dudes at paramount and he happens to drop this invitation to make saying. Why don't you come to my aunt's party right. Which seems like a dull enough affair until you realize that his aunt is actually marion davies the mistress of randolph hearst. And who was also at that point a movie star at that point starring in sort of historical epics produced by hearst. And so then. I guess the very next scene after that right is when mike drunkenly falls onto the luggage art and they. They dragged him off his answer. Mian there at the glendale train station and he shows up. It's it's actually not entirely clear looking at again. He he shows up. It's like a convertible driven by two other people who i don't think characters we see again and he's like reclining atop the roof which has been pushed back like he literally just kind of rolls in already passed out and then manage it. Stand up long enough to pass out on a luggage cart and then wakes up in this massive bedroom in san simeon Where he's been rolled into bed and had a shoes take off or whatever and then we. Yeah we entered this sort of Her swirled a in that way through. Nice enough him just sort of waking up from being blackout drunken having no idea where he is An from there he of wanders out outside where he can actually buy a scream and wonders outside to see what's going on and that's where he meets marion davies who is in the middle of doing test shots for some sort of western for which she has been tied to a stake in apparently going to be set on fire by native americans or something. And that's that's what i wondered. If that was a specific movie. I'm not familiar enough with marion. Davies filmography to know if she was ever burned wearing an evening gown. Burn steak or not. I couldn't find it the dialogue in it where the guy shooting the thing says. It's a home movie. But one of his home movies and points to her stored ever. So i think i think the implication is not but it's a real movie so much as just some kind of vani shoot. That william hurst is paying for to get her. Some other part probably right. I mean to a certain degree. I get the impression that hearst's unit i think it was called cosmopolitan was its own independent operation right. I mean it happened at mgm. It was kind of within the walls of mgm but not of mgm production deal. I think like like amblin has with universal or whatever that sort of that sort of thing right and that's why it seemed unrealistic to me to have my own little dorky. Moment that thalberg and mayor would be sitting there on the set watching this screen. Test of marion davies. It seems like that would be something that they would be far too important and busy with other productions at mgm to have both gone and sat in on the shoot. Yeah i. i wasn't clear on that. I thought the location maybe was that they were there for the party. And just we're staying the weekend You know that it does doesn't seem impossible to me that i would have invited them up and then scheduled something but but yeah. It was i i wasn't that seems a little bit muddled as far as what the power relationships in that in that situation are i guess. Yeah i agree that that part seems a bit cluttered. But i think that the strong stuff in that scene is both freed as marion davies. Who i think is really the big surprise of the movie right. I mean just the degree to which she she busts out of that typical autumn new role that you see in and the brooklyn accent really convincingly and just makes mary davies into a into a charming complicated character and also charles. Dance is william randolph hearst. Great performance from him. Yeah a really great really not a role that could have been done. I mean that could have gone very badly. I guess he has a lot of There's a lot of speeches that with another actor would not have gone. Well and dance can deliver those beautiful. He has that just sort of cold authority to him. The time their relationship he has with maximes to have something more to it than just power and exploitation at that moment that he's riding along in the it seems like it's a it's on the train tracks right. He's on the tracks that have been constructed for the for the dalai shot. They're doing they're doing a shot of horses riding into the either set the steak on fire or save her from it. I don't know that's the other thing about it is that she's tied up to that stake and they're not shooting anything that has anything to do with it over in the fields with horses but could have been in her trailer having a cigarette when when manque is walking alongside the dalai talking to her. I i think you get a good glimpse of the relationship that will become important later on where is called a court jester at one point. I think that you know. He's somebody who wit and charm keep endearing him to hearst and keep inviting him to the parties even though as we'll see he's constantly screwing up kind of forgetting his place. There yeah exactly which was right. Which is what happened to him. Over the course of that decade he was like which was part of that. Social circle eventually drank his way out of that social circle although probably not quite as spectacularly as. He doesn't all right. So to yankee out of that timeframe the way this movie is constantly doing and back to victorville and the cabin where the writing is happening. There's a bunch of stuff going on in the subplots here and this is a place. Where honestly if i had been. You know the john houseman called in to give my opinion of the script. I would have said. Do we really need quite so much intrigue in victorville you know it really is enough for me to wonder whether the drunken broken leg bank is going to finish the script or not and the interplay between him and wells and. I don't think that. I need to know all of this side story about you. Know the typist and her husband and the nurse. But you want to get into some of the drama. That's happening In that story. Yeah they basically as you've said writing a screenplay is not a great doesn't make for great cinema so The section of the script. They wanted some drama to be happening. So they've they've created these sorts of plots one of them is the typist Read alexander was In in real life apparently recently arrived a refugee from europe. As was her husband in this her husband is in raf pilot which allows make which to basically put his foot in his mouth expressing his is the latest views. So she doesn't like manque because he doesn't think that the brits are gonna win world war two Disease quite unsympathetic right. I mean he's not terribly sensitive about the fact that her husband may have been shot down right. Yeah exactly. so there's this thing with them she thinks make is lazy. He doesn't think he should be drinking. Disapproves of that. There's a subplot works out over. The course of this where v nurse eventually tells her gives her this sort of speech about how mak- wits rescued all these german refugees in. He's a good man in an adult and if he wants to drink he should be allowed to drink. Like there's there are these. These like mini arcs about rita alexander and make would sort of coming to care for each other not romantically but kind of you know reaching a region on understanding and that entire arc is just. It's on the screen. I thought i didn't. I didn't think that worked at all. And similarly i mean we talked before about the stuff they did with housman but It's the same thing it's housman and make which would not have disagreed over where that script should be aiming But they have to do something in these seen. So they've created that kind of conflict in those story arcs. I think were some of the weakest of the movie. Yeah i think the only drama. We really need in the cabin. Besides the writing was him trying to get into the the second. All right i mean this movie is is pretty powerful. I think it's not a movie about addiction specifically he doesn't have some sort of arc of him struggling with addiction. He just simply is an addict throughout the movie and never really tries to stop being but other people do try to stop him and so there's some ongoing somewhat comic drama about him managing to get into whatever intoxicating substances are in the cabin which includes this pain medication. It's been put there because of his leg. Yeah it's The whiskey laced with second or something and as soon as he drinks it. He just cox out. I'm not really sure what that was supposed to. I mean it seems to me that as a system for stopping somebody from drinking. You're just assuming. I mean all you're doing ensuring that once they drink. They're useless. The they made the alcohol more powerful and more debilitating entirely. Certain how that's going to help citizen kane. Getting rid of the addiction treatment in nineteen forty was not anywhere and it's very very beginning days The next flashback. I think is interesting. Both in and of itself. I like this bid at mgm. That's coming up. And also it establishes the relationship of mankiewicz to louis b. mayer and irving. Thalberg the mgm. Who are going to end up as you say providing some of his motivation for For getting revenge later on on orson welles so thousand. Thirty four is the date of the next flashback. We've moved up a few years and this time we're not at paramount but at mgm. And this this time we're not in the back lot wachner. Pass the circus set in the walking quickly down narrow corridors of power versus the other and sarkin land thirty. Exactly exactly so. Yeah so we we have her bring his brother. Thank you. It's to mgm. Where he signed by tom. Pelfrey i wanna say very well. I love that character of joe mangku. It's a small part but he really really kills it. Yeah every time. He pops up his relationship to herman is pretty different and He he nails that like the the different demeanor. She has him at different points in their lives. I would say the moment that they break into a conversation at. Lb mayor's office. There's this This fight that. He's in the middle of an employee and i wonder if you know what the specific shout out there is. This was like one of my little film history nerd out moments and there's not enough background that you would. You would ever know unless you had read this exact change but almost word for word. That's an exchange. That mayor had with john gilbert the silent heartthrob Who is sort of on the decline in these days in the in the thirties and was known for you. Know his alcoholism and his paranoia and his His penchant for toting guns around with him at all times and waving a very unstable guy who couldn't stand and they couldn't stand each other and that exchange that they have he's throwing him out and says i'll cut your balls off and then junk hilbert says well even when you do. I'll be more of a man than you are. That's you know. Sort of much cited story about him and john gilbert so that actually embedded in their sort of a story about the end of the silent era in some ways right because that's a great silent star who is just about to be fired by. Ob mayor but in the movie. It's really essentially just in there to show l b mayer's difficult boss and a testy guy who will throw you out of office at the drop of a hat and also we'll turn turn around at at the drop of a hat like the other piece of that is that he comes out just screaming at this guy and immediately is friendly and polite to herman inda just megawatts like just just like we're gonna switch right and very soon after that flips a switch to another famous side of l. Be mayor which is being this kind of sentimental manipulator right because he suddenly bursts in with these guys into the megawatts brothers into a room in which all of mgm talent has been assembled and we see these people who i think. Vaguely are supposed to be greta garbo and shirley temple and i don't even know who they're all supposed to be because nobody's really identified but a bunch of movie star like types are arrayed on risers and he tells them all that they have to have a fifty percent. Pay-cut is that right. What had happened was that Fdr had had the bank holiday. This section by the way it says in the little screenwriting typo thing that it's in nineteen thirty four but it's both just make a wits and going to mgm and the bank holiday were nineteen thirty three i they've just mislabeled this in the film because if that is ninety thirty-three than all the flags move in chronological order. But that's neither here nor there really. Fdr had closed the banks. There was the the bank holiday nuggets march. Nineteen thirty three where they were closed for a while to stop runs on the banks. Because this was that it's wonderful. Life era of everyone trying to withdraw their money at once And mayor of was the first studio has to do this. But not the last went and told his staff they weren't going to be able to make payroll basically that he wanted everyone to take a fifty percent pay cut until the banks reopened for two months or whatever Gave a speech more or less as you make where he just very says families root for each other in good times and take care of each other and bad times. And that's why i'm asking you all to take half your pay for the next two months which they agreed to do and then other studios followed suit to the same thing. A lot of people got a lot less money. Some of the studios paid their employees back after the fact mayor did not although he did swear that he had done it and also believing that scene apparently remark another executive like how do after this like total phony bologna break down and crying on stage for the benefit of i forget who it was it said but somebody who is an mgm possibly executive or or a contract players that the best actor on the jim lot at any given moment was lv mayor. Right i mean he was just this person who is extremely good at bursting into tears on cue in order to get what he wanted from anyone and although i would have objection system characterizations of other figures in this movie i actually think that for what little he sketched in l. B. mayer is great and has played beautifully by arlos howard. I i really believed in in that character. And i saw all those contradictions. That you you read about when you read a biography of mayor irving thalberg on the other hand. One of the most fascinating figures in the history of hollywood gets really unfairly stereotyped. I think in his brief little role as a kind of todi is not what he was at all. I think he's shown. Is this kind of corporate lackey. Who's always looking at the bottom line. And there's a of scenes where he talks to make as if bank were sort of a lowly employees that has to do his bidding and in fact irving thalberg although he had his complications was a tremendous foster of talent Love to throw money at the right project and just was a way more interesting person than this movie gives them credit for. So we're at this birthday party and the hallberg's have just come back from berlin is on the rise everyone. It's another scene where they have. You know ninety cameras of people that are just barely identified. Like i think charlie chaplin is. They're playing happy birthday. Of in any event they talk politics in marion. Davies is in her sort of a naive way manages to piss off everyone in the room. By i talking about hitler somebody who should be taking seriously because so many german support him and then by leaking innocently the information that rex tugwell who was an fdr cabinet member. Who's also there. That party leaking the information that he was a cabinet pick that her supposedly helped make that if you had asked him basically that her suggestion. Fdr's cabinet is thing. She kind of says in conversation she served leaves the party not in disgrace. But just like. I'm going to go take a walk but make wits has been listed. She says it has been impressed with it and follows her outside and they have a conversation walking through the grounds of sensitive to this. When i think of the movie. This is the scene. That i remember. I i don't know that it's necessarily the best scene but between the just the beautiful backdrop and just the strangeness of them walking next to these cages full of or kind of pens full of giraffes and elephants In full evening gear while they have this conversation it really to me brought it wasn't actually filmed at san simeon. I think they found some buildings to address to look like sense in me and but it gave me that feeling of time travel and being transported to how how strange those parts must have been and also i just think there's these are the two best written characters and best performed characters in the movie manque himself and marion davies. So the idea that are forging this kind of platonic friendship and that it's somewhat based around. You know their shared a misfit status in the in the castle is is both interesting dramatically in itself and it sets up the writing of citizen kane right because the idea is that in part it is this image of the kept woman in the in the castle that starts to inspire him for his canes screenplay. Yeah absolutely and i agree with you. That's one of the scenes that just plays beautifully Oldman and just. I think really good chemistry on screen and really get the dynamic of that sort of relationship right. So that scene establishes their relationship which will be one of the hearts of the movie going forward and also begins to establish the political. Clout that william randolph. Hearst has which becomes really important later on matt. I'm going to pause the conversation for just a second for a word from our sponsor this week. Electric cars some people think they're weird. But you know what else people thought was weird. Social media ridesharing viral dance challenges and. 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Okay back to our conversation after that We've got a little bit more nonsense in victorville where bank his started breaking into the second all bottles he gets in trouble for that There's more questions about whether welles is gonna fire him for not finishing the screenplay on time can i say as a writer who's constantly writing on deadline and you're the same disturbed by the idea that his ninety day deadline got reduced to sixty days. And he's supposed to just. I mean one third and he's supposed to just roll with it. They had him locked up in a hotel. I will say this if anybody wants to. Send me to like a a luxurious and deserted ranch for ninety days and then tell me it's really only for sixty days i will somehow get over. I'll even have my leg. You know maybe maybe depends on the ranch maybe not three like make so i guess maybe that should bring us to the next big subplot which becomes the driver of the rest of the movie. Really which is one thousand nine hundred thirty four gubernatorial race for california It's pretty late in the movie for such a major plot to enter. Like if i were giving script notes on the script. I would sort of say. Can we introduce upton sinclair and this governor stuff a little earlier but will you catch us up on. The governor's yeah so It kind of comes out in the scene before it kind of comes out in the birthday scene a part of the political conversations about upton sinclair and they establish basically that hearst hates him but claire being the muckraking novelist he would have been known at this point for exposing the meat industry Yeah so that's nineteen o six. He writes the jungle and becomes sort of a celebrated muckraker By this point he has had like seven careers basically By thirties he had he continued muckraking. Got into some trouble over fair that he had Novels wrote political stuff had been writing for years and was essentially just like a celebrity socialist. Let's say living in california. This point and the democrats recruited him to run for governor against frank merriam who is running for reelection. I think even been the lieutenant governor in the existing governor had died and then he become governor so he hadn't actually ever won election. Marian and sinclair being clare was like sure i'll do it. And he wrote this pamphlet with his plans for the state which was called the end poverty in california and basically his idea. Was that at this point. There was a was a lot of agricultural land was kind of lying fallow because of the economic depression and he wanted to seize that land and basically do a california style. Wpa program where you know. Homeless and unemployed people would be hired to work at and factories that were being you know falling into tax liens and things would also be seized by the state. The idea was that you would create these sort of self sustaining communal communities out of the unused resources of the state of california To do that he was doing some things that just would like. He wanted to pay these people working on these farms in script and had not thought through the complications of like the state of california deciding to issue. Its own money. There are a lot of good ideas in it. There were a of things that were not as well thought through but there were enough things that would have cost the visitors of california a lot of money that the entire state mobilized against it and not all of his plans that pie in the sky he wanted to progressive income tax. Do you want to get rid of the sales tax. It was a grab bag of sort of socialist reforms and some really ambitious reaching stuff with the community farm projects he wanted to do. And as you get into in your in your factor fiction about this movie it is actually true that mayer and thalberg mobilized against him right and also true that they decided to create these fake news. Kind of reels interviewing people about who they would vote for that had been staged all that actually basically everyone with any money in the state did everything they could to make. Sinclair did not become governor and that included harry chandler in the los angeles times it included her step the chronicle it included mayor and fallbrook. But this in this in the movie and make it sort of sets it up that all berg is creating propaganda and ludi. Mayor doesn't necessarily know that it's happening. But that wasn't that wasn't actually the case that everybody was involved. It was kind of an all hands on deck thing for the the capitalist class right if anything mayor was more conservative right i think he was the chair of the republican party and his his area. I mean he was like he was buddies with all kinds of politicians. He was he what he one of the things that he did. I mean they did all kinds of shit but one of the things that they did was Mayor actually it wasn't mayor. I it was the whoever was running fox at that time. Let it be known that. If upton sinclair were elected governor huby moving the studio to florida immediately And then the other shoe starts saying the same thing and then mayor. I think it was mayor went to his employees. Basically if you want to keep your jobs. Frank merriam has to win so as of now. You're all supporting the frank merriam campaign and i'm going to be taking donations out of your paychecks for down the line people They if you worked at mgm at that point you were you donating to marry him People who work paid weekly Were able to opt out of that and and some did in this movie. It set up. The megawatts does not donate to the campaign. But there's no evidence that that happened. Well this is something that you write about really. Interestingly and your factor fiction which is this movie has a tremendous amount of interest for story reasons in setting up wits as this sort of leftist firebrand and a little bit along with marion davies. Right that they are the only ones who realize the danger of hitler and europe and he seems to be the only one at the studio who stands up against this idea of creating fake news to kill upton sinclair's key campaign and all of that appears to have been just invented whole cloth for the movie to give mak- it's really good motive to To destroy william rental i. it's i mean and like throughout this movie tries to lift as much from citizen kane as it can. Because why wouldn't you and so. It has to have something in the victorville scenes where make trying to regain something. He's lost or whatever and and this makes an argument what he lost his political innocence or his faith in capital. I'm not. I'm not sure exactly but it doesn't quite you can see what it should do. Structurally but it doesn't quite work. Because for one thing i think that the gubernatorial campaign in that story is more interesting than the writing a citizen kane. I don't just as a subject of for a movie a lot more happening but to get into the guts of that make. What's not necessarily like the right. You know The right knife to cut that food i guess. Maybe that's why that's seen although it stylistically gorgeous that that scene of the election night party right where Megawatt shows up. He gets drunk. They bet on who's going to win the election. And we're sort of cutting in between these you know leaderboards on the wall showing who's ahead and the increasingly drunken bank and know there's sort of one of those montages with lots of dissolves two different neon signs and glasses of cocktails and things like that right and it's it's a wonderful pastiche of that style filmmaking of the time but dramatically it feels very muddled to me because it's something that we didn't know that cared strongly about until probably ten minutes before in the movie right when he caught a quick glimpse of upton sinclair speech doesn't it doesn't seem to kind of to to have the dramatic weight that it would need to have to be more than just a stylish stylish montage more than enough for an entire movie in that campaign And if you wanted to focus on bergen and mayor you could do it too but it just. It's just out of place. They're like he was not he wasn't that guy. And there's nothing in the movie until he sees that sinclair speech to suggest that he was at all interested in any of this This stuff it gives him another reason. I think that the screenwriters know that motivation is a little bit thin because they give also make quits a personal reason to feel. It's a betrayal. Which is they created this character of shelley metcalf who is a test director and sort of we see in the nineteen thirty s kind of like a on with the algonquin set. Who is the guy who thalberg actually hires to shoot these fake newsreels. What these newsreels were is phony man on the street interviews about who you are gonna vote for in the gubernatorial campaign. It was just a series of interviews with various supposed california voters you put a great link in your factor fiction piece to one of those newsreels. Maybe we could listen to a little clip of one of these stage. Newsreels of who are you voting for gentleman. I am the enquiring cameraman. All day i travel around california the highways and the byways the downtown district's the residents districts factory districts all districts. I stopped people on the street. I pry into offices and shops and stores and restaurants. I knock on the doors of homes all for the purpose of digging out voters of california to express their views for your edification remember. They're not actors they're nervous. You'd be scared to death yourself the first time you face the camera and microphone if they seem awkward bear with them. I don't rehearse them impartial. I ask them questions only to help them. Express themselves more clearly. I thank you now for the votes from communists. Housewives jobless men butchers bakers and candlestick makers. There's even corner hidden in the group but you'll have to find him out for yourself all ready for the votes. Would you mind telling the who your favorite candidates for governor claire. And what is your principal reason for providing well but Different man was different is long as we're talking about extraneous stories that we're just shoehorned into to give more drama. I really. i felt bad for the fictional shelley. Metcalf in his life and death was just abused in such a utilitarian way to advance someone else's story like we don't even know who that character is except for literally hearing his name in the writer's room scene early on until suddenly we're getting frantic calls from his wife that he's gone off with a gun and he's going to kill himself because he shot these fake newsreels and he feels guilty about it. I just to me. I had this feeling like am i supposed to have been carrying about shelley metcalf all this time and to me. That was just a poor piece of of screen writing like this needed. A serious edit. We didn't we should mention. It's two hours and twelve minutes long. This movie which in itself i mean. I'm not against a long movie but it could easily have been twenty minutes shorter. You can reverse engineer the notes that that lead to the creation of that i think Which is that you. you can't have it be. That mega wits betrays the hearse just because of the fake newsreels. That's not enough because you're not establishing that they have to give them another motivation. That motivation is well. What if these fake newsreel screwed over somebody. That cared about okay fine. So they said of the mic matt. Mcgrath thing and then it's like well. Is that really enough. A reason for metcalf to kill himself. No we're going to give him parkinson's too like it's just about you feel like it's like it's like one piece of it requires the next one and then before you know it you have a guy showing his shaking hand and Just just out of nowhere spot with this guy having a hard time dealing with a terminal diagnosis Yeah that's something. If maybe if this was a ten episode series or something we can have a whole shelley. Metcalf subplot you start to care about him but it just it started to feel very jury rigged. It's you can see the scaffolding there you can kind of see. Okay we're gonna we're going up this turn this motivation. Dial a little further here regardless of whether or not this development makes any sense for for the story we're telling you and the guy who actually did make these reels like the way it set up and make is Metcalf is offered the opportunity to step up to directing The guy who really directed these Junior didn't have any qualms about it and and used it to step up to directing. I mean it was. This really makes people seem much that many of the people come up less cynical than the actual historical people were And not just make it so from here. There's basically two sections of film to go. There's a section in victorville that traces all the different people trying to tune. It's and make what's not to write the script every scene. We comeback victory for the while. A new person comes out to see him to tell him this So charles leader visits and tries to convince me not to write the script joe. Anchorage visits and tries to convince make to write the script of mary. Davies visits confronts. Make over the script. It's just one after another and between those scenes we have scenes that are showing basically make losing control of his life in hollywood After metcalf has died. There's the second we talked about where he bets at the trocadero and we have the deficit metcalf coat with that And then is the final section which cuts between this circus party. Nine hundred seven cents simeone which is in this thing the final break between mega wit's end hurston davies and the finally the fight over who wrote citizen kane is the other thing that's cut with so you have sort of accomplish between hearst and make a wits that is escalating and crashes at the very end of the movie in one thread of the plot in one. You have finally this conflict between orson welles and make wits over. Who's going to get credit for the script that crashes goes back and forth between those two things in the kind of classic intercut to things that are moving at about the same pace towards a climax structure right and once again i feel like i'm much more comfortable with this movie and i think is more comfortable in itself when it's in the thirties flashback mode. Then when it's trying to create drama out of what's happening in victorville some of these individual visits especially the visit from his his younger brother. Joe who at this point has has risen above herman in the hierarchy of of hollywood right and has become a power player himself. And i think that's that's quite a good scene between them. It shows that changed power dynamic but also the affection that they still have for each other the the visit of marion davies is also interesting especially the idea which i think is true that she was not offended by the portrayal of her citizen kane. Or you know. She believed rather manx protestations. That susan alexander the not talented opera singer wife. In cain was was based on her He denied that and it seems to be the case that she was not the direct inspiration. There was another kept woman Of some industrialised rather who actually had an opera career that there was an opera house that was built for someone. So that was i. Think during the sort of legal wrangling. When this was about to be released that was something that they leaned heavily on that this could not possibly be hers because there was this public story of Another mistress whose life match more closely to susan alexander's life in in citizen kane. But that said. I think there's one of the visits in this later period. You were talking about where. There's you know a series of victorville to convince him not to write the doesn't work fairly dramatically at all. And that's orson welles visit which is really the first time we see him as a as a full on character not not merely a menacing voice over the phone saying when's my screenplay gonna be ready But this scene which he comes and and pitches a big fit over. Who's going to get credit for the screenplay and start to throw around furniture incidentally in a way that inspires banquets to to write the scene of citizen kane destroying a room full of furniture when his wife leaves. That scene really seemed to me like it. Parachuted out of nowhere. And that it took what had been zero tension subplot just up to eleven in far too short of a time and i didn't believe the relationship or the characters. Yeah it it really doesn't. It feels like there must be some scenes missing there because essentially you have a a very cordial relationship between wells and make quits Up to that point and then just out of nowhere. wells' is offended and furious that make which is asking for credit. I mean it goes from zero to throwing furniture around in in no time and of course. It's the idea is that this is what inspires the scene in citizen kane. Where cain trash. Susan alexander's room. And then the other idea is that. This is that scene mankiewicz. This is in the structure. This is the point where you know. Wells throws his big tantrum. It's supposed to work the same way and feel the same way and it. It just doesn't work because you know kane. We know why he's doing it. Wells is just sort of like calm down there buddy and we haven't seen him interacted anyway. That would indicate that he has this just ferocious violent temper and then he throws a case of scotch into the fireplace. Or whatever i mean. It's it's it's when you realize like fincher has really dug his own grave trying to make a movie based on the writing of citizen kane that includes a lot of images from citizen kane right and it ends in this moment that is almost a reproduction of something that happens in citizen kane. It just draws attention to the fact that you know. He has as talent as a director as he may be he. He ain't so nineteen forty two. That's the problem. I mean any movie about the making citizen kane. And they're like four or five. I think invites and has to invite comparisons to citizen kane. That just not just strategically. It's probably not a good thing for you to make a movie that invites audiences to to ask themselves. Whether you're is good at this is something that seems worth mentioning as we close. This out is that. I mean it seems like one thing that venture jack venture that is and also whoever else worked on the screenplay subsequently although jack does get sole credit They seem to be very eager. To cram every single herman mankiewicz witticism of which there are a lot in hollywood lore into one screenplay and you know that makes for a lot of good lines but it also means that they often feel sort of wedged in out of nowhere and i wonder if you wanna go over a couple of those moments where you know man cracks wise in some way or another that is actually ripped from the pages of banquets low. There's one towards the end of the circus party in which megawatts pitches like pro pro version of citizen kane to the crowd. And then i open the carpet of william Dining room At the end of that end in the movie he says to the crowd there. Don't worry the white wine came up with the fish which is a very funny thing to say if you've just thrown up but it doesn't necessarily work in that scene Vat comes from a story of quits having dinner at that producer. Arthur j. horn blows house and horrible was kind of notorious for having sort of rigid. Fancy formal dinners. I wasn't actually hearst. Had this sort of idea that was his ranch so they have things like ketchup bottles at the table. That was not a it was the self conscious was not towards formality. It was towards. Let's pretend that were camping But hornblower was very much like you know she's courses and all of that so He threw up in a bathroom. The would coming back into the dining room realized that the people in the dining room could hear him throwing up that was his his remark. And then it ends with this just of course. You've got to dramatize it him. Barking right there in the in the dining room right around because again. That's the thing you're taking this. You're you you need to have this. Be the scene where he goes too far so And then at the very end you have a section where. There's what is set to look like newsreel. Footage of gary oldman standing from his house responding to the fact these won the academy award for best screenplay and he says something like a. I'm happy to accept this award. In the absence of mr wells because the screenplay was written in the absence of mr wilson. I think. I don't think i have that quite right. I also don't think the movie has quite right. But it wasn't something that he actually went out and publicly. It was a sort of later witticism. They said he would have said so. It it's one of many scenes where they take a hermit jamaica would story and turn it into an event. That didn't actually happen. I mean i think this film has like three things is trying to do all of which are very tough and one is it. Wants to be a bio-pic so it tries to cram in as many details and famous things that herman j what said into two and a half hours. It wants to be structured after citizen kane. So it has to cram in as many scenes that resembles franciscan is a canton even when as with wells throwing things around the ranch victorville. They don't entirely make sense. And then it wants to be a movie about california history in hollywood history and it has to it puts in nods like that like the universalroof wolfman stuff. There's there's there's a lot crammed in here Not all of it really serves the movie. I guess i would say yeah. I think it is one of those movies. Where while i enjoy each moment as it was unfurling i found myself asking more and more as it went on. Who is this for. And if it's not for me if it's not even pleasing me the person who's allie. It's maybe the most up know that you could imagine. Then what is it going to be doing for audiences in general and. I think we've seen that so far in the response to the movie. I mean it just opened a few days ago but it seems like it. In general is being regarded with either scorn by film nerds or somewhat puzzlement by the public at large. That's the sweet spot for hollywood and as long as it's the end of the year i mean this is such a weird year that it's hard to speculate about such things but do you think that this movie is Is looking for some sort of awards. Recognition is likely to get any. Maybe for gary oldman. I don't know i would think yes. He fritter oldman those are both killer performances And i could see it picking up some technical stuff just because it is so such an affected similarly of of simone nineteen forties or whatever I don't I would be surprised if it went best picture but it's a really strange year. Who knows right. Yeah it could be. I best picture is going to go to like a string of tiktok videos that we've never heard of because there's nothing will matt. I can't imagine a better person to come in. Talked about bank with me now. I feel like the next time. I sit through it. I'm going to have so much nerd fodder to to tell the person sitting next to me. I really still even faster than the last time. I tried to watch it with a non movie nerd but that was lots of fun i had a blast is the likewise it was a pleasure talking about with the thanks so that does it for our show. Please subscribe to this late. Spoiler special podcast feed and of course if you like this show please rate it and review it. The apple podcasts store. Or wherever. you get your podcasts. And if you have suggestions for movies or tv shows we should spoil in the future or other feedback share with us. You can send it to spoilers at dot com our producer. Today was morgan flannery methodism. Thanks so much for listening and we'll talk to you soon.

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The Great War of the Worlds Panic Myth

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The Great War of the Worlds Panic Myth

"Welcome to step. You should now a production of iheartradio's how stuff works and welcome to the podcast. I'm josh clark. There's charles w bryan over there. Just to us batching it up that year man. i think jerry's inclusion. We're still batching it up how do you mean mean does she really ruined the the batch scene for us sure. She's very maternal. And oh yeah. You were headed down a kind road for a second. I was with jerry now. That doesn't sound like me so for all of you who are just tuning into the first time. Welcome this is stuff you should know to everybody else. Who's tuning in for the multiple times welcomed as the stuff. You should know we never do that. Some shows do that what they welcome new listeners. Yeah and kind of say what they do in. I mean we've literally never done that. that's fine. that's lame kyw we're sued. Does that any friends of ours. Yeah i mean the guys on the flop house. They've been Broadcasting as long as we have in every single episode. They say who they are and what they do okay. Do you wanna do this one time. No i'm chuck bryant. And this is josh clark in this podcast where we explain things in a lighthearted and fun and sometimes even funny way. I disagree with all of boy. So what. we're going to talk about today. Because i think we need to talk about this. One slightly somber tone chuck. It's a blemish in the history of america. Really if you think about it well yeah and you know what. I've never actually had listened to it until this week. Same here and it was. It's a lot of fun to actually listen to. I would recommend it especially in a dark room Where that's all. You're concentrating on not like a second screen kind of thing where you really listening to this. Radio play yeah. Try it yourself there a little bit like what it must have been like in eighteen ninety eight. That's when the book came out. Yeah but in one thousand nine thirty eight. I mean what forty years later just in that forty years stretch. I mean think about the difference between one thousand nine hundred eighty and twenty twenty not ridiculously different period. It's just gotten eight exactly. Oh it's gone downhill and don't think that had nothing to do with reagan's election in one thousand nine hundred eighty but the difference between eighteen ninety eight in one thousand nine hundred thirty eight. Yeah are it's just like two different worlds man Two different worlds comma war of the so. I guess we should start with the book written by the great h. g. wells. It was the very first alien invasion story to hit the book shelves. And that's a pretty remarkable thing. It was a serialized thing at first in magazines in pearson's in the uk. And then cosmo here in the us and then they find many slapped all those serialized versions together into a book and it sold pretty well. It's never been a print since that first edition in eighteen ninety eight. That's pretty respectable. I expect the as much for our book as well. Yeah i'm sure it'll be still being published in forty years or one hundred years one hundred and forty years. Yeah well let's hope So in this book and like you said. I alien invasion story ever published which is just the fact that this is a completely new premise. New conceit made it. You know kind of scary but in the book. h. g. wells describes like this this avian invasion And part of the thing. That was so scary about it. At least the time. From what i can gather is that it was about like the breakdown of society. And we're talking. Like victorian era england society where like rigid social rules and customs and mores and in guidance for all behavior. All times was like the norm. So the idea of that breaking down was scary on in in of itself. I think that made the book kind of scary to contemporary with readers. Back that And that was one big theme that export another one that he explored in that. At least i think. Whoever wrote the encyclopedia britannica article on. It said that the main point of this. The main subtext was Learning how humans dominion over animals can be cruel and thoughtless because all of a sudden with these invaders. Who were just wiping us off the map. we were we were like you know domesticated animals to them. Yes so the the she was on the other hoof and sure it caused Or at least it was intended to cause people to take kind of a hard look at a pre animal farm to make sort of a social statement about how he treated animals. Yeah and so. That was eighteen. Ninety eight if you flash forward to orson welles in his mercury theatre version. He this is you know like you said we're right in the middle or in the great depression and were headed towards war. And it's sort of an uneasy feeling in the united sates hole so he thought perfect time to go in there. Put a fresh coat of paint on this thing in scare the bejesus out of the american public by doing something that they had never heard before which was sort of a style production. Yeah and i mean. It's easy to overlook today but radio is still rather new at the time in one thousand nine hundred thirty eight it was like a cutting edge technological medium and it was not fully defined so the idea of Creating this i guess. Hoax broadcasts is the best. You can call it This fictionalized version. That was what would you call it. Man i hate that word so much. You know it's really taken on a tang here lately Yeah i mean it's a it's verite it's You know of a faux documentary style right thing that no one had ever heard like there's no way when people heard this they would think. Oh this is you know. I know christopher guest. This is sort of a scary version. I've seen blair witch. I know what's going on here. I recognize lenny from laverne and shirley anywhere. I know that's not real. Yeah so they. They weren't prepared for this in one thousand nine hundred. Ninety eight when orson welles. He was already a big name in radio as the voice of the shadow which was big it in his mercury theatre was pretty pretty well respected at the time as yeah as a live stage theatre had this show for a few months by the time. October nineteen thirty eight rolled around But their whole jam was they were on. Cbs and cbs had them Do hour long. Radio adaptations of classic Like novels like treasure island. They they did around the world in eighty days and so since it was october. They wanted to do something spooky around halloween. Something decided it. Yeah so they were like well. What's the most boring scary book. There is and they said h. g. wells war of the worlds so they decided to adapt. Yes so they got together They're rehearsing a little bit more about that nasek. But there wasn't a strong feeling among the cast and crew in the production group that thought it was going to be awesome. Because i think probably because they had never done anything like this aid never heard anything like this and they thought. Is this even going to be any good in a couple of different sources in the production went to a radio critic ahead of time like thanks a lot and they said by the way this is going to be a real stinker. They said apparently to different people in the in the production said that this will put everyone to sleep. And i don't i don't have the impression that it's strictly because they didn't have any frame of reference to judge it against because no one had done this before from what i can gather the originally it was going to be really bad and really terrible and the production in the cast and crew re knew this. They knew that they were marching toward embarrassment With the early versions of the of the script. Yes so orson. He's sort of distracted. He's got a stage production going on. He's got his partner in his group. John the great john houseman from the paper chase kind of a legendary actor. He was his one of his original partners and he got together with howard is koch. I never know if it's going to be katcher. Coke doesn't matter all right chaos and he was the writer who is adapting the novel. And they're like we got to make this thing better one thing. I think we can do. This was houseman talking. And not gonna just john houseman. But everyone knows how he sounds right. When i came across john houseman be involved. I can't wait. i don't even remember. I mean he was just very serious. In sort of all. I can think of his paper chase in What was the tv commercial. The was it. I wanna say it was like schwab or now. They're elaine i think it might have been merrill lynch maybe but one of those finance firms. He did he voice for well. Yeah he was very famous for having a very high pitched squeaky falsetto voice and he talked very very fast. And actually i know who it was it was fedex and dunkin donuts known for its right time to make the doughnuts guy right with the musket so houseman in koch coke went in there and he said one of the things. We should do probably to make this a little more scary in little more believable. That it's an actual broadcast. Is the time passes in the book and we can't do that here. So let's just get rid of all that stuff so it gives the appearance that it's going down right now. Yeah that was enormously a huge chain And i don't know if he did that to to help the pacing move a little faster or what But that was a that would pan out to be a really important difference in the original script. That howard k turned in And the one that they ended up doing and then even beyond that some of the other changes came just hours before broadcast. Because apparently if you worked with orson welles you should be on the lookout for him to come in at the last minute and be like all the stuff we've been practicing for a week or two forget all of that. We're doing this instead. And part of that. From what i can tell is that he was trying to shake up the actor. Shake them out of whatever complacency they'd worked themselves into rehearsal and get this rahr more terrified performance and apparently it worked. I mean i. I can't imagine. I didn't hear any rehearsals or anything like that. I would love to have compared the week before to you know the actual broadcast but the everyone delivered these really great really great performances and they really nailed by showtime The realism and a lot of ways. Not just in the performances But also in just little details like they you know they were. They were doing a a mock radio program which will talk about a little more in detail in a second but they were they were pretending to have news. Bulletins break in so they were they. Were doing the things that news. Bulletins did one of the things that stuck out to me was one of the eye witnesses. So it's an actor. But one of the eye witnesses being interviewed by news reporter on the scene and they start to talk in the news. Reporter goes can you. Can you speak loud speaker loudly and move into the microphone. Please and the the I think the actor actually says how's that and the guy repeats himself and then the actress to repeat himself what he was originally saying. So has the veneer of authenticity just from little details like that. That really stood out to me when i was listening for him. But if you're if you're not listening for him you you just it makes you buy into the whole thing that much more. Yeah and the other big change. That wells brought along was Stretching out the first two halves of the thing such that it went past it went forty minutes and radio at the time every thirty minutes like on the half hour they would check in with the station. Id check and listeners. Even the radio new Was were well honed to the station. Break every thirty minutes and so when ten minutes past the half hour ago by in there. And i know station break. That really makes people kind of buy in to what they're listening to is possibly real Then you add to the fact that there were no sponsors for the show. Yeah so they weren't cutting too a casper or more Meoni me undies ads right. I'll of nickel remember any sponsor. John houseman saying the made with no. I thought it'd be made with doll is right. That's a much better housman. I had something in my threat So yeah there were no sponsors so basically it really came across is something that was super super realistic sounding right so all that is to say that they had really by the time. This broadcast aired at eight pm. On sunday october thirtieth nineteen thirty eight. They they were not going to be the laughing stock and this is not going to be embarrassing. It was gonna be pretty awesome actually to take a break. I think so chuck and then we'll come back and we will reveal the broadcast after this Okay so we've reached showtime airtime. Apm sunday october. Thirtieth nineteen thirty eight mercury theatre on the air began broadcasting adaptation of h. g. wells war of the worlds and at the very beginning it's introduced as much. There's an announcer who says that. I think losses probably two time somewhat because everyone probably thinks that they tried to trick everyone but no. They actually introduced it as what they're doing. And you know this is a radio place at a one year in the future. right right. And yeah orson welles. So it's introduced by announcer. Orson welles comes in does the introductory essay and then they did something really smart in interesting especially for the time. They went to a musical program that was supposedly being broadcast from the meridian room in the hotel park plaza. So if you were just tuning in right then you have no idea that this was mercury theatre on the air. You'd have no idea that this was a tele play. You would think that you're listening to Was pretty regularly broadcast which was live music at some like ballroom in a hotel somewhere. New york That they set up like a radio transmitter. To transmit out over the radio that was pretty frequent. But this was part of the show. Like if you had posited that is right right exactly so but that was a huge part of the show because that lulled listeners into kind of complacency and listeners who tune in late and mislaid introduction thought that this is what they were listening to and then the first news bulletin hits. Yeah and that's where things start to get really interesting. They break in. You know one of these interrupt your previously scheduled programs kind of thing and they come in and With these bulletins but they're not super long at first because they treat it kinda how it would be in real life is just sort of a breaking story. Something's going together. It was fairly obtuse and they didn't like you know. Save martians or attacking us right now. Everyone from the get go. Let it up to the listener to kind of piece it together. A little by little they would go back to the meridian room for a bit And it wasn't for very long but they couldn't waste too much time but was long enough. It wasn't for like ten seconds. They did it for like a minute minute and a half right made. It seem right then like that was what you're listening to that. That was the program in the bulletin was in fact the bulletin rather than the opposite being true. Yes so eventually you start to piece together. What's going on and you have This attack in new jersey of all places and Princeton university have like a princeton astronomer on they have government officials and they kind of dole it out little by little until about the seventeen minutes seventeen and a half minute mark and then that's when it really gets Super scary and people really see the full picture of what's going on so chuck I feel like we should read a little bit of the script. There's this one party starting about the seventeen thirty minute mark. Thank you said where they I as i like to say. They tore the lid off the sucker. Do you wanna be announcer phillips. I'll be the announcer. Okay but i want you to do. Phillips is same davis. so here's the announcer. Wait hold on. I'm getting my tap shoes. Okay okay you ready candyman. Uh-huh sure i'm not gonna do it that way. Okay all right so let me give you a little bit of background real quick so these news bulletins up to this point of basically said there's some weird thing that landed they thought it was a meteorite. I that landed in grove irs mill new jersey And then later bulletin said that. Oh actually there's some weird tentacle like weird things emerging from this thing. We thought was a meteorite. So now we're back at smell. So i'm the announcer. We are bringing you an eyewitness account of what's happening on the wellness farm grove mill new jersey and that was kind of like a they were breaking into let you know that and then they go back to more piano for some reason and then we now return you to carl phillips at grover smell lady ladies and gentlemen my on. I'm ladies and gentlemen here. I am back of a stone wall. That adjoins mr wilma's garden from here. I get a sweep of the whole scene. I'll give you every detail. As long as i can talk as long as i can see more state. Police have arrived there drawing up according in front of the pit about thirty of them no need to push the crowd back now. They're willing to keep their distance. The captain is conferring with someone. We we can't quite see who. Oh yes i believe. It's a professor pearson. Yes it is. Now they parted. The professor moves around one side studying the object while the captain and two policemen advance with something in their hands. I can see it now. it's a. It's a white handkerchief tied to a pole. A flag of truce if those creatures now what that means what. Anything means wait. Something's happening sh- ma'am cut in any time and take rain by. Oh wait sorry. A hump shape is rising out of the pit. I can make out a small beam of light against a mirror. What's that. There's the jet jet flames springing from the mirror and leaps right at the advancing men. It's strikes them head on good lord. They're turning into flame. Ooh know the whole. Field's caught fire the barnes. The gas tank mobile spreading everywhere. It's coming this way about twenty yards very nice and seen okay. That was great. Chuck so They you mentioned. Or i should say phillips. The reporter on the scene mentioned right professor pearson. And he's this ends up being the main character and he's He's an interview. He's an astronomer. That's interviewed earlier on these on the scene as it happens And the pri the program just keeps going like that like there's another. There's a main announcer Who i played. I thought rather well great Thank you same to you. Why bravo if. I may say so. Thank you very much. I've been practicing. You wanna hear my Machine gun been doing that. Since i was six i about walking through the forest. All right now. How about a good punch to the face. Oh wow it was good thank you. I thought punch myself in oak dedicated. That's how dedicated to the art of foley. Yeah so the. The announcer just keeps bringing in more and more news as this thing goes on and unfolds of like now. These things aren't just in new jersey there in chicago. They're like out west. They're they're starting to invade everywhere and they're killing people left and right that you said there was a government official that reads a statement is actually the they say that. It's the secretary of the interior. Which i thought was particularly genius because i mean probably not that many people were familiar with the secretary of the interior timely herald. Ex yeah But they had him sound like fdr so that it would kind of play on everyone's I guess a unconscious. Or i'm sure there are people who are like the sun's just like fdr but at the very least evoked that government authority of the reality of a government. Figure you know yeah. So meanwhile on the other stations There's one that's running Which is a really really popular radio. Show at the time Probably the most popular Chasing sanborn our which add The very very famous ventriloquist edgar bergen in his dummy. Charlie mccarthy and we talked about that on our ventriloquist episode remember that they started out on radio. Which is hysterical. I don't even know why they would even bother with the dummy part just due to uneven y- that's what he did. You wouldn't even have to wear pants. Now you'll be making sit around and your spaghetti stained undershirt and and yeah naked from the waist down. Maybe some socks doing a couple of voices dry as your contract edgar bergen. Charlie art get getting started. that's it. I could be a famous ventriloquist on the radio. You just did it. I think hollywood's gonna come with calling But the real sort of interesting factoid. Here i think is that people were channel surfing back then when you cut the commercial just like we used to do when we didn't have pause buttons and fast forward buttons in this pause button. You keep mentioning. I've never heard of this. You've never pause television. No wow you're you need. I don't believe i've ever paused anything in my life. It's funny we were emily. I've been watching that German sci-fi series dark which is very challenging to follow and There's a lot of rewinding like wait. Wait who is that. what did they say. And we rewind it a bit and do that again or you know. Of course. I gotta go the bathroom. Lamy's posit and i was thinking about how not too long ago. You just if you miss something. You missed it. He just peed the count or ups yourself on the couch. yeah There was no clear like let me go back and clear this up. It's like what did he say. I have no idea. I guess we'll never know. There's no inter. I guess i should probably stop watching the show altogether. You go walk up to the vcr in prison. Jack but at any rate Back then let's say. Charlie mccarthy goes to break our markdowns and they flip it over to war of the worlds at this point in the broadcast ss hitting the fan. And it's going to scare the pants off the people in nineteen thirty eight. Well yeah even more. Than i think that they would have dialed over even before that so they might have like a news bulletin in the maybe some of that music from the meridian room So it really would have caught them and their were supposedly of substantial number of people who did dial over. We're like wait. Wait what what is going on here. And now we come to the reaction the response because if you picked up the paper. The next day in america Just about anywhere near any major city. You're going to find huge blaring headlines like the one that the new york daily news printed in tall bull letters fake radio war stirs terror through the us. Yes stories of of schalken hysteria. Stories of people taking their own life stories of people dying from heart attacks. The a at a man in pittsburgh found his wife with poisoning her hand and said i'm going to. I'd rather die this way. Then like that and you know talking to wells afterward. In the aftermath of this he apologizes publicly. Says they didn't intend to do this We had we didn't know what was going to cause a panic. And then you know if you look over the years more interviews it sort of seems like wells is a little more like you know we thought it would be pretty fun to scare people and i didn't know if it was going to cause a panic but we definitely intended it to have this effect on people Whereas houseman in koch were like. Nah we really didn't mean it So sort of conflicting reports from the production on what they thought was going to be the result right And i've read an interview with john. Landis the great director who Worked with wells on a project that never got made toward the end wells life and he didn't say they'll wells admitted to him that he meant to but he got to know him enough that he was like. Yes you if you watch this. This initial press conference where he's apologizing because the whole country was ripped apart in chaos. And we're running wild in the streets and like nearly rioted because of his broadcast. He's not at all he's he's just as happy as a lark that this all happen of course even though he's pretending to apologize and he said that was just this source of wealth. Did you say apologize. it's a it's a new version on testing out. I like it. It's this guys kind of. Yeah it's at least as good as apologize so this was just a couple of days in the news cycle. It wasn't the biggest deal in the world even though it was fairly sensational story writing for for a newspapers and it might have just gone that way. Had it not been for a princeton university social psychologist a couple of years later name Hadley cantrell and cantrell released a book on the real effects of this thing and basically said that you know people were praying crying. There were frantically trying to escape death from the martians. Six million people listening to this thing in at least one six of them were frightened or disturbed. And i have the evidence right here. Yeah n- evidence that he had was based on a series of interviews with one hundred and thirty five people. Almost all of them were in new jersey. Which remember that's where the The crux of the invasion and destruction being described took place because grover smelled. New jersey is actually a real town in jersey So he went to jersey because he was in princeton so he went where he was interviewed. One hundred and thirty five people. And he he said. Were you scared by this. Broadcast and the participant would say yes. Say you're my study and he'd ask the next week cared. Were you scared by this broadcast. Know he'd be like you're not in the study that's crazy. And so yeah. He said in the in the methodology that he selected one hundred one hundred and thirty five because they have been scared by the broadcast and so he took this these interviews of people in new jersey and he extrapolated to the rest of the country and he said yep this is this is real. This is a really great example of people Being fooled into into terror and panic and you know the responses when this happens like we saw after the world. the world's broadcast people will run out into the street. They will flee the city they will Call their friends and neighbors they will. They may attempt suicide. They may die of a heart attack. Like the new york times reported Twenty or so people. In new york alone needed to be treated for for shock in hysteria. This is what happens when somebody toys with the public. Trust and Yeah it's pretty nuts the end. Yeah that was. That was the end of heavily. Headless book Right yeah not the end of this episode. So this is what this specific study is. What if you've ever taken a mass media or communications college class. You've probably studied war of the worlds largely because of this study basically it might have. Just come and gone if it weren't for this This academic paper that were put out and all of a sudden for decades and decades. It's reported on is like a cautionary tale. Almost a responsibility in media even fictional media. And you know as recently as two thousand thirteen. Pbs american experience documentary said. This was the case. Our old pals at radio lab in two thousand eight did an episode about this Where that was the case But there were a few problems with this paper beyond the bad methodology behind just getting scared new jersey people to go in there and give their report was they found the we they ended up finding real ratings for this thing and not a ton of people even heard it it turns out so so his six million estimate was way all way way way off they did a survey during the program that said two percent of respondents said that they were listening in some markets like big cities like boston. Even preempted this thing For local programming so it wasn't a ton of people it wasn't a ton of people being scared and like just literally losing their minds with fear and panic and things swing so far the other way did it. The the narrative became you know what no one was really scared at. All what newspapers really did was put out hit pieces on a competing medium like radio and how you shouldn't trust it anymore. So so what happened over the last within sometime within the twenty first century but sometime in the two thousand ten's the the the myth that america lost its mind went bonkers and ran wild in the street because they were panicked by. The war of the worlds broadcast was shown to be a myth that it didn't happen and that was the new understanding for a little while Just a few years until another guy came along and said you know what They're actually both both are right in both a wrong in a lot of ways. Should we take a break and talk about the truth. Always being somewhere in the middle took all right. I said the truth is always somewhere in between. That's not always the case with everything in life. Obviously but that's that's the same for a reason And that's definitely seems to be the case In this case with a gentleman named a brad schwartz. He's a probably the leading war of the worlds scholar and he went back and he went and investigated the letters in the cables that that came in There at the university of michigan archives and these are the letters that actually came in to welles and the mercury theatre in the days after the broadcast. And what. He contends. And i agree is that this is what you need to be. Reading is what people were really thinking at the time. That weren't just cherry picked in the town where that got attacked in new jersey. Who were obviously there. We're gonna be freaked out more than anyone in the country right so one of the things that he points out is been you know since around two thousand ten or maybe a little earlier everyone had been wailing on headley cantrill For his terrible terrible methodology but they the revisionists were also kind of doing the same thing they were making all sorts of suppositions. Like the idea that the newspapers had basically conspired to target radio. Its rival to show how irresponsible it wasn't how it shouldn't be trusted with. The news is really newspapers. That should be handling the news. And maybe you can listen to little orphan. Annie on on the radio but that's about it. That was all supposition that was as much supposition as Headley cantrill extrapolated his findings in new jersey to the rest of the country And a bread schwartz. One of the reasons. I think he's doing a good job because he's he's saying no. We're if you actually sit down and read these letters and these cables that were coming in the days after. They really probably paint the most accurate picture anyone's ever found to this. To this point of how it was actually received like you can see almost in real time at the time What people were saying about this in their letters to wells into the mercury theatre on the air. Yeah and it was a range of feelings. It was everything from people who said you know as we knew it wasn't real but it was really scary and super awesome I don't know if they said things like super awesome. He said that a number of people wrote in who actually made fun of the people who fell for it and said that you know they're gullible. They're they're rubes in one writer even said they should be sterilized and disenfranchised gab because they shown that in an actual emergency they were undependable. They run around like chickens with their heads cut off in the streets. Yeah in sports of draws a line between what was going on back then to us today with this whole fake news hoax. Garbage that we have to listen to day in and day out and Basically said this is the first viral phenomenon in media was the war of the worlds broadcast and it was a mixed bag. Some people loved it. Some people did think it was real and panicked but it certainly was not this widespread panic across the country. Like you were talking about. Yeah he said less than a quarter of the letters described what he would consider panic but even most of those weren't actually angry when they were writing the letter. A lot of them are thrilled. Like you gotta be. He did right but he did say That yes there are cases that you see in these letters in cables That that described people panicking so that did happen. In some cases most of it seems to have been isolated in new jersey so if hadley cantrill had not extrapolated his findings and had interviewed more people who had different reactions to the broadcast but if it had just been like an investigation into the reaction in new jersey that studier that book would have been much more useful but the fact is he just screwed up. Screw the methodology up so badly that it's it's basically useless but he wasn't. He didn't make up the panic that he described necessarily may have exaggerated it. Who knows but it did. It does seem to have actually happened in some cases but it was sporadic. Few and far between certainly not organized in certainly not seen across the rest of the country like it was reported on by the papers the next day. Yeah which leads us to the story of the poor pulses of manhattan this manhattan couple They did fall for it. They were very scared Apparently as the story goes they got their last six dollars together and got on a train to get the heck out of new york Assuming not going west into new jersey They went north toward connecticut Got as far as they could on what little money they had get off the train. And you know there's a bunch of other passengers that they're telling you know they're warning everybody of what's happened right and this one guy there goes over and gets an a. Just picture this in the movies. Like no one's listening to this guy and he. He picks up the newspaper. Basically the tv guide to the dunkin donuts. He says guys it says right here. We're the world broadcast is supposed to be on that. Our says right here on the newspaper. It's a radio play. Everyone no one by everyone now. Nobody okay and then he just goes and gets on a train leaves but they feel bad for them that the other people that were you know the had gathered together they loan them or gave them the money and chipped in and got him back to new york city and then later Stelle paltz wrote a fifteen page letter. The next day to orson welles. That was very admiring in said how thrilled she was. But i can imagine what else is in that fifteen page letter. It's a lot of hell of a story. I think is what which can over and over and over right so So that was one of the letters that abe shorts turned up in that trove. And i like it. Very clearly describes a couple of panicking because they mistook the war of the worlds broadcast but again This was not like across the nation. Like the papers reported and schwartz actually explains the papers basically as a combination of a couple of things. One is a a bias. I can't tell if it's selection bias volunteer bias or confirmation buys but the bias is as follows if you're in a newsroom and all of a sudden your phone starts ringing off the hook and you're getting a hundred and fifty percent more calls that night and all of our people asking about this martian invasion and what's going on and is this real or is this a hoax or have you guys heard anything about this and some of those calls are even from the local police who are also getting similar calls and now they're calling you to find out then it seems like there's a lot of people calling in freaking out about this martian thing but if you step back if you zoom out and look at that number of people that actually called the newsroom. It's just as my new fraction of the population of whatever town. It is so it wasn't a bunch of people freaking out but to the people answering the phone and the newsroom. Her getting swamped with calls way. More calls than usual. It did seem like that so that combined with anecdotal reports that no one followed up was followed up on from the wire services that people were attempting suicide or having heart attacks or whatever that just being reported in related fact led everybody to believe that this was actually happening out there in the country that people were running. Well maybe not my town. Because i stuck my head outside of the newsroom. And i didn't see anything. But i hear they're going crazy in chicago right now. Here really going nuts in milwaukee or whatever And that's how it got reported in. That's what everyone thought happened. People who lived through this thought that this happened the next orson welles thought. His career was in jeopardy the next day because he accidentally made america go berserk. And that's how that myth began and that's how it stood and and a bread schwartz basically traced it back to lazy lazy reporting so myth busted thanks to abraham shorts and us and us for sure. I'm glad you included us. So there's an interesting footnote here though because this actually did play out that way. Eight years later in night was eight years later yet. Nineteen forty eight in ecuador. So this is in kito ecuador. These broadcasters recreate the orson welles radio play and they did a version that went a lot further than his did and got other radio stations to join in after the reporting which really pretty brilliant move to increase like you turn the station and it's happening over there too right and this really did scare people they really did. Take to the streets in panic. there was panic going on and then the crowd finds out that it's fiction and they get angry and actually turned into an angry mob and burn down the local newspaper building that had the radio station inside of it killing six people. Yeah six people died. Fifteen people were injured like they knew that the staff was in that building and they set the building on fire to try and tell them bunch of people escaped out the back but a lot of people didn't escape and the two people who were responsible for the broadcast including Ecuador's most beloved entrusted presenter Were indicted for like they're more safer basically. Yeah exactly And they were in. There were indicted for their role in this like people died. Because of in this actually does seem to have happened in in for amazing. Yeah so there you go. The idea that fell into chaos and panic after the war of the worlds broadcasts in nineteen thirty eight is largely myth. Go forth and spread the gospel. Everybody unless you're in ecuador and then you're like no it's actually happened here Since i said that actually happened here. I think chuck is time for this so this is from tom in the uk. Did you see this email. I don't think so it's great. It's one long sentence. And i'm going to try and read it in the how i think. Tom speaks as as tom from the uk because just the way he wrote it. I think tom probably talk a little bit like this. This isn't tom from the uk. Who was our tour manager when we did our uk tour. Is that now that tom. This is an engineer. And this is what. Say all right josh. Chuck tom engineer from the uk. Stoke-on-trent big fan of the show been binging for about two years and got through all of them all a you lot. Even jerry have got me through a lot these last couple of years and i put a few people onto yo. Podcast wanted to email you lot for a while and finally to get round to emailing a lotta things to people about stuff. That really doesn't matter emailed a tv show about one of their actors. A physicist about how using a light year of lead as a frame of reference the company super noodles for the excellent job done with their super noodle pot. But i'm not much for the peace. And i just wanted to say i know you like the japanese mayo but you really need to try the polish male spot on all the best tom boy. Oh boy tom. That was great and chuck. That was a fantastic stoke-on-trent accent. The the the most accurate. I've ever heard tom. That was a great email. You right chuck love that email so much. I had so much you right to choose that one So thanks tom. Thanks for writing in a thank you for including us in your list of people you harass via email and keep listening okay and keep writing in. Maybe we'll make this a regular thing chuck Would love that. Yeah so tom right and again And if you want to write into we want to hear from you can send us an email to stuff. Podcast iheartradio dot com stuff. You should know is production. I heart how stuff works for more podcasts. My radio is iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Veoleo: Bringing kids programming to a screen near you

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Veoleo: Bringing kids programming to a screen near you

"It indicates a podcast about waiting bombing length. This is Monica. And this is Paula. Welcome to entertain us. A podcast about raising bilingual children. Sisters Jenny and Alexi through Heaney started their own small book press when they realized there was a lack of Spanish language books for young children in the US bail published. Its first book the copy in two thousand eighteen and is currently working on new books aimed at bilingual little one in this episode. We talked to Alexis about their business and their current efforts to bring enjoyable activities to kids and families who are staying home due to covert nineteen. If you're not familiar with fail. Follow them on Instagram at Vail Leo Dot Co and consider supporting them by pre ordering there to upcoming books. Now let's go to the interview. Thank you so much for joining us and we would love it if you could talk a little bit of `Bout Velio tell us about you. Know how it came about and and the work that you do bill. No press was born when an we noticed a huge hole in the market for children's books so bono was founded by me and my sister. Genetic engineer had an eight month old baby time and I bought my nephew a book and I was so excited that I had seen something in Spanish that I grabbed it. I paid for it. I mailed it and when Jenn was Atlanta. I live in New York so the next time I saw her. She said Oh you know did you. Did you see what was that Bulkin? I said No. He's in my in my sheer joy of finding something in Spanish. I just mailed it to you and she said well. The words are like the words. They've chosen arbit- weird so so they started this whole conversation because she was telling me about how she had been noticing this for a while. And that's when she said you know I think that there is this opportunity here and the more we started to to talk about it. The more we just kind of circled back to our own childhood in like are different experiences has adults in thoughts. Worse we can. We have a specific vision for this. We have a specific mission mission. There's a huge line of like Latin accent Latin American market in the United States. There are millions of people trying to transmit this idea of culture heritage and language because the entire point per a lot of people for teaching preaching language is to be able to teach cultural and heritage aspects and and so we just decided to go for it. I mean we figure that we could do it that we can do it well and that we could pay not only to the idea of Latin. America has one cohesive unit but that we could celebrate our our differences in the diversity in our heritage by celebrating all of us. So there's there's a balance between how we want to celebrate Latin America and the UNLADEN community Without erasing the fact that we all do come from very different experiences. That's awesome. Did you guys have any previous background? For example writing a children's book no no experience whatsoever. Ginny short stories before and I have always been very encouraging of her. I always thought that they were amazing. But I I definitely didn't She had worked a little bit in publishing before she got her PhD. And I'm a lawyer so we really didn't have any sort of experience with the publishing industry or writing professionally. So what was that process like? I mean did you guys rely on maybe other parents or friends or you know as you were developing your first book than this stocky and I know you're working on two more But Tell us a little bit but how that that experience was for you guys so we. I think we work collaboratively really really well. I think that we go back and forth. We had A bunch of different ideas for for the first book so we actually do have. Maybe I would say five to books written to different degrees and at one point we just chose which everyone was a strongest of the first batch and that was a cookie so a lot of it goes back and forth between me. Engine Conversation That are like well. Wouldn't it be great if this happened or wouldn't it be great if you know? Xyz happened we can communicate why and then Jennifer kind of takes whatever we both talk about. And then she makes it into great child-friendly questions. Sorry not rushing sentences and then after we had like basically like the rough draft or the young Deke we asked both friends of ours. Who are mothers? We also asked family members and friends who are experts in early childhood education so they were the ones who really geared us in the right way and kind of validated. What we were doing by saying you know this is the sort like this is why this works right like this why it works that you guys have repetitive and simple sentence structure because this is the way a child this age would learn language. And this is what you're modeling for that child. So we learned a lot from the people that we asked but it in general. The the writing process was was incredibly straightforward. That's that's kind of a really nice to hear you know in terms of that. Your your experience yard very talented but you just kind of dove into an industry that you didn't really have a background in and you are. You have success. You have found success at it. That's awesome we love to hear this because it can be it can be really intimidating for some people to do something like that and and it's just nice to hear stories that you know of success. I agree I mean I for me. It's incredibly motivating to hear other people's Stories. I mean NPR. Who's this great podcast? It's called how I built this and that's something I've been listening to on and off for years but it really validated. What we already thought about starting a business right. It's not that we know what we're doing better than anybody else. It's just that were putting one foot in front of the other and figuring it out so we're able to ask questions. Were able to tap on the shoulder. Say Hey can can you walk me through X Y and Z? So we really started without information has to or any experience about how to get off the ground or publishing company off the ground like that. There's been learning moments But but in it definitely has been very fast very straightforward and in just about putting putting part of the other so now fast forward were all in this Kovin Vortex Vortex and We noticed that you know as soon as kind of this started ramping up where people were talking about the school cancellations and staying at home. You guys kind of jumped into action and and starting off with a call for Latino illustrators to submit coloring sheets for families at home so tell us about that. And kind of like. Was this just something that popped into your head when this happened or did you guys talk about it and and and tell us about how you wanted to support families. I suppose at home right so I guess I mean I have been very on top of the school shutdowns because my mom is a teacher and I was very torn for a while there because I understood the rationale between behind New York City in L. A. Not wanting to shut their school districts and when it finally happened it was what Friday the thirteenth. I think that's when L. A. N. New York officially closed and and I was talking to evidence that know. We have these coloring sheets ready to go you know. They've never been posted online. They're free because it was subsidized by another event that we had already had so i. That's just you know. Let's just post and then I started to think more and I said well I also I mean I mean in a lot of contact with a lot of different Latino artists and I as one of the first things that came to all of this happened. Was that these are to talk about how they had already had. Most of their freelance projects cancelled. So that's how I was like. Oh you know this is a battle around right like and the coloring sheets was such an easy way to unite the community around something. That was a win win so I put out the call for the lower next artists and it was great. We got a great response. People started getting US work. I contacted some people and everybody was game. Everybody said yes when you need them. I said basically now and they said okay fine and he said we will. We'll get to it and so. This was Friday afternoon by Saturday morning. Some people were still reaching out and I said I'm really sorry. Really sorry but we. We went with the three with a for three people week. We met and everything great because we had set aside a budget for like we had done the math. And we said this is why you. WanNa we WANNA WE WANNA be able to propose this to the community. Has something that is free. This is not the time. This is the time to help right. This isn't a time to say. Oh you know you're at home in you need something like let me tell you and we knew that we could also pump out a lot of content right so we introduced muscle and that was something that I did because I was thinking of my grandmother. Who is stuck in a nursing home right now? Because she was there for we have and now she's alone and that's something that we love to do together so now there's all these pilots on the website but so going back to the artists started to reach out and when I would have the discussion with them about budget. That's when some would say well I'll give you work anyway right like I have stuff done. Alan you to do is converted into black and white so it becomes a coloring she. Would you take that and I said yes you know of course if I can share my platform with you then. That would be amazing. And the ones that we commissioned. Are there things that we have created are all set to zero or their pay? Has you wish but the ones that people have kind of quote unquote lent to us for this? Time are on the website just at zero. But that's so that's basically how we went from having three artists to having eight. But it's been amazing because we've met people from from everywhere and everyone has coalesced around our our mission. They believe in what we're trying to do and they believe that this is a time it's time to rally and to be there for other people so it's been. I mean it's just been a great time of generosity allied you've also done Some virtual events through mostly Instagram zoom right. Yes cocteau us a little bit about that and also a about the response and also Now that you have a few of these things under your belt right. What are your tips in terms of how to hold virtual events because I feel like this is going to be the normal moving forward? Well I don't know I don't know if I'm ready to give tips out. I think I'm so happy because I get lessons. Learnt I mean I think that when it comes to to tips about doing online events. I think it's so it's been so stressful for me because the last thing I want is to exclude a segment of the commune of our community right like I don't want anybody coming to me insane. Oh but I don't I don't understand Sumo Yusuf before end and I just don't want anything that inadvertently becomes a gatekeeper to who can participate in who cannot but at the same time I wanted to deliver a quality event and I want people to be comfortable and I think that for example you know. Instagram live is always the best route. Is it easy? Yes is it accessible? Ask anybody do it. Yes but at the end of the day. You probably have two or three kids at home. That are crouched around one one tiny screen right so to backtrack a little bit to talk about the events that we that we've had. We did redone to Two story times and we did Acuna with an engineer from NASA which is amazing and the time that we had earlier today was with John Houseman. And the way bose wave came around whereas again just coming back to the spirit of generosity were seeing. I I just reached out to both I'm friends with John. I didn't really know Joan but DMT him and I said I Adam last Sunday so Sunday march twenty second and I said and I said Hey. Hey who'd you be down to do acuity for kids and he said Yeah of course and I said Okay and I said what about this Wednesday and he said yes done and it was it was I mean it was just so fast and and he was the one? Actually that said look I think over zoom You know this makes a little bit more sense and then I was like. Oh my God. We're going to need. We're going to need a business account with zoom and we don't have one and that's not in our budget so that forced us to to think about who we could possibly to with and then it was just for twitter's all I'm part of thicket. Ya which is for next in tech and I got an email from them for an event in at the bottom of their registration page I saw hosted on zoom so I reached out to the founder Nicotiana and I said. Would you be interested in co-hosting this event with a engineer from NASA and he was like of course so as I said. He said. We'LL WIN. Would you like to do it at night said this? Wednesday at two PM. He said okay. So so. That's I mean that's literally how quickly it came together on withdrawn. I was the same thing we were texting about something else and I said hey you know are. Are you interested in doing this? And she said Yeah of course. Of course I'll do a story time like that sounds awesome so so again. Everything was done very quickly because I also think that time is of the essence rate. I think right now is not a time to focus on having the perfect marketing strategy or You know like the prettiest image to circulate the information for your event. I don't that's really not what it's about right now. I think right now just producing the highest quality content you can under these circumstances and distributing it and and and that's that's kind of like the best thing you can do. I think that everyone is so vigilant. Looking for good content that everyone is doing a really good job of sharing And like sharing your information and telling other people so a lot of it becomes word of mouth gets. That's true do you. Do you already have other stuff planned or is it a kind of coming together like like I'll eat macneice other events have come together which? I know that you know a lot of times. That's just how things happen and get I think. Sometimes I work really well under this sort of pressure and I am very good at saying I had this idea. I found somebody who to execute it with you know. Let's do it this week because I get excited by and I want to share it as soon as possible and I'm trying to take a step back and say and think you know this is. I think we're finding our rhythm is a society as we go through quarantine you know for example. The story time last week was maybe a little bit more needed than the one this week because this week remote learning has come into play already so I think we have a little bit more of a breathing room so the next the next event that we have scheduled is an art class with one of the artists who did one of our coloring sheets. She's her name was published Mondays and she is an artisan murless from El Salvador who lives in Atlanta. So she's GonNa she you know she contacted me again and she said you know I. I really believe in what you're doing. Is there any way that can help? She's a Canadian a story time and then I was like well. No I don't want you to storytime I want you to do it. Paint a painting class you know. How much fun would that be if if everybody can just set up their kids at home and there's an artist online sticking to them in Spanish? About how yellow and blue make green so so. So that's the next one but that also came. I also happened in a very organic way. That'll be fun. I feel like of all the things that are happening. Online now I'm sure you've heard. Because so many people have shared the lunch doodles with Mo Willems and that is the one thing that Amelia asked me for every day. She now knows it's at noon and she is it time for Mo and it's just you know a quick twenty five minutes of drawing or dude lane and I mean he's pretty engaging but it's just interesting to me it's interesting. How of all these other things that she seen She tends to like have really enjoyed the the art classes. I guess because they can be doing something while they're watching. I feel like we did the the NASA QNA and she actually enjoyed that and she's very excited that you asked her question. Oh Yes yes because in some other things we've asked questions and they don't get to them so she was very excited and that that night. She told my parents about it you know. Did you know that the rover will leave in July and won't make it to Mars in February and it was totally like hurt so I know that it's stuck with her because she's talking about it later that's just But also apple now that you mentioned that right like dot that is actually how some events are coming together that I'm getting immediate feedback from parents so since the NASA QNA. I had so many parents emailing me saying you know like. Where's the youtube link whereas you to bring? I need the Youtube Link. Like my kid won't leave me alone until I got this youtube link and then they report it right and then the renew watched it and these I mean during the QNA at one point peaked with ninety families watching. And I think there was a total maybe eighty questions submitted and we did not get through any questions so and since then other than that the feedback in requesting for Youtube but we have also gotten is a lot of people sending us in the drawings that their kids are still doing and one of the kids actually ran home and he made his own rover so I so I sent it to to two and an etc. You know this. Isn't this great. And he gets really excited and he said you know what? I'M GONNA make drawing prompts. He said let's work together. Let's do like like longer term challenges that kids can work on and we can challenge them to you know to do this drawing stuff and I said okay. Why not? Let's do it so little by little? There's just so many ideas and the longer that we're in this. You know unfortunate position. I think maybe we'll figure out what what makes the most sense for for us. And maybe we'll just stick to one thing but right now it's just been about finding finding the stuff that we can do that we can do well that we can execute quickly and making sure that it has like a lot next aspect to it the Spanish as to it and that it's fun we wanted to find it. We want this to be able to be that. We want this to be something where the kids enjoy it. And if they're still learning that's a plus but we don't want this if you like homework so we don't want to do math sheets in Spanish we want. We want them to be able to have fun with whatever they're doing but still be learning something about their culture and their heritage and one thing that a lot of these digital activities have shown us as that kids really crave structure also interaction right Like what Powell was saying about Amelia. Were she felt like someone was listening to her right outside of her parents and actually answered her question That's something that with. My daughter is the same thing with these digital events. I think she does best whenever she feels like. Maybe she's being seen or heard at one point because that's what they're missing. They're stuck at home. You know they they mean that sort of that sort of community feeling so. These events are providing that the structure for the parents too. Because Hey Guess. What on this day at noon. You're going to do you're going to be doing this. It's hard to do those things On Your own when the day sort of blends into the next so this is actually really really nice to have maybe one or two things to do a day. There are certain time. And you're going to be sitting in front of the computer and maybe there's a camera on us that you have to. Maybe put an ice t shirt on and you know and then you it. It creates a divide today creates a little bit of normalcy So I I mean we are really grateful that that you're providing opportunities for this having kids at home and seeing them go through this you know and knowing that they don't fully understand what's happening It's it's it's comforting to at least see them smile and you're in New York right. Yes I'm in New York. My sister is in Atlanta. And the what's interesting about the Corona Vires Zaid? I think because parents all over the world are in the same position. Our network has all of a sudden stretched out to Sweden or at least as far Sweden. Has We can tell. We've had some people come in from Australia to talk to us. So that has been. That's been enormous for us but it's also been another challenge and scheduling these events so for example the the mom that's in California doesn't necessarily. She's not necessarily crazy about the fact that our events are usually around ten thirty right but I am aware of when nap time happens and I want to be able to fit. That sort of structure has well so for story time. I think we've settled on ten thirty. Ten thirty is early enough on the east coast where they're not cranky before nap time. It's very early on the west coast. They can be having breakfast if you know screen time is allowed with breakfast and in the UK. They can be having a commit lunch snack so it works out. It works out really well. I hadn't thought of that. That's a good point. You have something you have a lot of less and less. I think I mean we've learned. I've learned also though that I mean like for example. I've learned that the QNA function in Zuma's very cool. That's very helpful and that I would use it again but I also think that that instagram live might be like where it's like no matter the cons to it like that really might be our best. Our Best Bet. Just piles you. You can interact with with whatever the kids. The parents were texting you while you're talking again it's like you said it might be more accessible to some to some extent although. I feel like everybody has them these days for something and Elected to close out the interview We wanted to ask you for any advice that you might have for bilingual families. That are at home right now. Mostly from what? I see friends going through I. I would say to just be very forgiving if the bilingual aspect of your normal routine isn't holding up so if you know the kids are stressed out as a routine has changed and you're stressed out beyond sending their home in your routines changed than I would say That certain rules that we would have advocated before before we would have said. Hey try your best to speak in Spanish all the time than than that probably goes out the window. Ray just do do the best you can. And conversely other rules are being loose loosened screen time is being being something is is something that's being loosened than Pile on the Spanish with the screen time trying to find a balance that works for now. this won't last forever and then you'll be able to go back to whatever routine you had but right now just make whatever. Works also work for the bilingual aspects of your of your plans. Thank you Alexis. We're speaking with us on this episode. Make sure you follow me on instagram. At dot co for the latest updates on events and activities you can also visit them at their website baillio Darko that feel dot com to download their color sheets and for other resources as always stay in touch with in our facebook community or instagram. We're here to help with suggestions and moral support and if you like what you hear. Share Anthony Lewis with a friend. It would be really helpful as a proxy Nos Vamos.

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Season 4, Episode 11  Proud as a Dad

Bad To The Dad

1:00:27 hr | 7 months ago

Season 4, Episode 11 Proud as a Dad

"If you're the kind of debt grows to one of those long number jack hipster beards just so you don't have to wear a scarf in the wintertime. then this is the podcast for you. We bad to the dead with coach. Randy and adam de we are the fastest growing dad theme podcast in all of humanity. I love when i say that. Like a used car dealership. We are also the podcast. Of course that celebrates suburban dad life coach randy and adam. Dr your host. My name is adam de and what a surprise. What a pleasant surprise coach randy is ear. Good morning coach morning. Adams are meeting episode number eleven. Not many left having. We're having more fun than it's legal to have your cruising down the one on one with the ocean on the rights and the mountains. I left love when you paint the visual love when you paint the visual coach and we've got a great guest that has nothing to do with oceans or highways. His name is keith barbaria. He is the head of technology at nbc. boston man. That the things he he has seen inside that institution this year can to talk to him about that but he's also going to talk to us about the campaign movember which stirred pain where you grow a moustache and you raise money about men's health issues right everything from prostate cancer to mental health. And we're going to get into that with him. He's also gonna talk a little bit about natural childbirth. Now some people think there's nothing natural about childbirth but listeners unnatural tile shelbert which. We'll get into it. We'll get into both. I'm sure there's there's two sides to the bates and speaking of speaking of november and mustaches. You're growing quite a fine goatee there. You're looking like a rugged individual my friend. well i have decided that I'm not shaving. The goatee part. Let's let it go joe grow. Just wanna go out there and see what happens on november thing or just lazing member theme. Bunny i'm just bringing awareness. But i just happen. I'm hoping by the end. I looked like one of those guys. You know kinda with that big bottom of that. Not that kind of goes out like four inches off the bottom of your chin and cut it just sits there and yeah outlooks need needs. Wax needs braiding. You look like you're in a cult. Yeah use the little little ties that comes down. I could be like the love guru if we could so awkward transition here speaking of growth. You know who's focused on the growth of your business is giving you the best in marketing and website design. Who's that coach you'd get you. That'd be becky. Berman of berman. dot com. That is becky berman of berman branding. Bourbon c s dot com for all your graphic designs and website needs. And she's taking care of your graphic design. Website needs business growth. Lear coach randy says we. We're just about realize it's ready coach. Rainy says new logo new theme if life is a game. Who's your coach. It should be coach. Randy. that's it. that's a campaign. that's that's the model we're going we're we're going to be a lodge next couple of weeks to start looking for all the excitement all the wonderful marketing opportunities for all of your executive. Coaching speaking consulting needs all right coach randy says and maybe we'll do a special episode. Worry learn a little bit more about coach. Randy says so coach before we get into the fun and frolic and i understand is giving it to be some mirth today. Would you have to take care of some business which includes what what we call them. Our brothers right. We call this. Show that the fraternity has had so many guests. Guest ed on They all mean something to us. All bring different skills in Of course there was a time we brought in father daughter. that That episode was great. they Saying shallow so you might remember the han. So we're talking about matthew. John and his beautiful and talented daughter. Riley as coach said they were on season two and they sang shallow and then they returned for another performance where they did fleetwood. Mac's landslide on the father's day musical episode. And they're just terrific. that's one of the episodes. i keep going back and playing just because I love hearing them saying so. Unfortunately matt hahn the father Was in a really bad motorcycle. Accident last week. fortunately no other vehicles. It was just a mad involved in that accident. be that as it may He's he's in really bad shape. He's in the icu. as we know now Paralyzed from the chest down. He is conscious. He's awake is is are open when they need to be He's gotten some movement in one of his hands. But not much. There is a go fund me page. And you love this community. And how everyone has rallied around the hans but coach. You have some information on that right. Yeah it was funny his rallies a freshman in west orange high school actually sophomore. She's the miss published that but that's okay still a young young ladies were. She's closed with With perry my daughter's a freshman oser of course your talent And the sister. She has a sister. I think is an eighth grade awesome. So it's it's caitlyn can't fathom the news but there is a gofundme page if you go to any search your favorite search bar and just enter a go. Fund me met han family. And that's h h n v. It'll pull up go right to the website and it is exceeded the goal now. It's a their goal. Was one hundred thousand dollars. The the cost the surgeries are going to be in the seven figures so as a community in. What was really nice. As you know we used to be delighted to tap into it. Right and So we had to get back on their. You know there's no reason why we shouldn't be doing publicity and they haven't said we're not going to promote you. So yeah united states. There was a change in leadership But i was nice of tap into send down a note to everybody in west orange rowling. I mean there's just that's i love. Our town cannot fathom but that family is going through so we all kind of come together and be there to help support the families go fund me matt. Hahn family Sighting location give anything from a couple nichols tomorrow again. Yeah i'll tell you a great guy you won't find a more devoted dad The guy even tattooed a whole story that he came up with on his shoulder and had it colored in so is nothing. That's more important to matt hahn than his family and your day. There was yesterday being saturday. We were recording this on sunday morning. Yesterday there was a healing circle over zoom like six pages. Deep six zoom pages dea so the outpouring of support to do whatever whether it's monetary whether it's emotional support whatever the hans need of course we We want to be involved in that as well. And of course we appreciate matt and riley for being on two episodes of bad to the dads so one of the olympic ashley. We and i think the first episode obviously had him on. We talked about motorcycles. With you yes and we got a new one and we asked him. Is it a harley. And he said no was one of the japanese versions which Goes very very fast and we know we know the dangers of motorcycling being super careful. Were you allowed to ride motorcycle. My family i was it was. There's two things in my family growing up. That was made very clear but my parents I wasn't allowed to know guns right. No gun no motorcycles Gun guns never even came into the conversation. I don't know if it's just because we're north jersey and the gun culture at least at that time growing up wasn't really prevalent motorcycles. I had a cousin who had a motorcycle under the. We're all scared to death about what he was doing. So i was allowed to sit on one and look at them but not much more than that. You know if it was going five miles. An hour. And i was sitting in the back wrapping my arms as tightly as they could around. That wasn't even on the table so it's really something that even to this day like we don't have guns. Never ever shot a gun. Maybe getting some training just in case of the top of the forthcoming or are is on the apocalypse as up but as far as motorcycles i mean never not even a blip on the radar. And it's there those that love it in. It's kind of a dredging. i feel very badly for the hunt. Family he did love it was it was a lifestyle and it was his thing right. You always say. Dad should have their thing both with their kids right and their families as well as themselves and and that was one of his many many hobbies many pursuits but the important thing now is that he gets better. He gets healed and gets back into fighting shape. Who knows but we only hope for the best for the han family. And that's really a lot of thoughts and prayers definitely senators. He noticed something. You're you're back in the. I'm in the den today. And there's a difference or some space between us now. I'm sorry. let us done. That's okay. we're taking the most precautions that we can urine the and i'm in my loft which is essentially do business the cave though on a regular basis in the man my action figures and my patents on toys and the back they're not my patents but their patents on some of my favorite toys Throughout history like the slinky in the sketch the rubik's cube We are social very very socially distant. Today we're in two different houses because a covert has spiked in our town in our own neighborhoods. Neighbors are getting it neighbors yet. It's i said this suggests this is getting too close to home. Nearly we're we're just being careful you know. We don't know if i know i haven't been exposed but who knows you never know you can go into a seven eleven. Receive just to pick up. It is my friend who was just picking up a his mel. He tested products but his wife and his son. Both that's a negative so Mean i would imagine. It's just a matter of time God willing of won't be but it seems like we're reaching numbers that are just like using number so it is a very serious very real head I didn't spend you see march eight and a half months this whatever it is you wanna call it writing just to get cova eight months later committed. I'm go all out. I mean house. I mean i'm thinking to myself was like an investment right if that's of time that you all his time and then boom out of just one moment of just maybe purely just not thinking hundred percent. Boom i am so. That's why you're in the cave. I'm dan Of course are s visitor. Keith will be from his home but Anat how's your weekend update. My week was good. You know speaking of good things to do during quarantine. We rediscovered one of the gems of eighties. Television silver spoons. You might talk about a show about. Dad's silver spoons. Right of course. Starring that very precocious ricky schroder in nineteen eighty-two joe higgins played the father erin gray from buck rogers was the was the secretary and i think ultimately the love interest. I'm not selling anything. This was like over thirty five years now than you so go check it out on amazon. You do have to pay if you want to watch the pilot for a buck ninety nine go for it and then you watch the the whole first season i think for about fifteen bucks and we knocked out around four or five episodes last night. You know because there's nowhere to go you know. I could not go out to eat so we just did. A a silver spoons. Marathon and i think you know when you grew up in that era and now you're a parent you watch it with a different kind of lens. You have a different perspective and even though you wanna suspend your disbelief you can't. You're always criticizing and providing color. Commentary on what you see. So first episode comes ricky schroder in his military school uniform and he just walked through the door. And tells the joel higgins character. Edward stratton the third. I am your son and they don't make a big deal out of it. They don't call any the authorities. He doesn't call his ex wife to say. Hey is this really my the guy just walks in and then fifteen minutes later conforms to the belief that okay. Ricky schroder is my son. Now let's have a season now. Granted the joel higgins character edward stratton. He's made to be overgrown child. Irresponsible doesn't question. Anything is a bit of a moron but it makes for easy in well you know again. It's a sitcom and you have to remember that the things that we would do from precautionary standpoint would not occur in atv. I'll give you another example. I think it was episode four or maybe even sooner than that episode. Let's call it episode. Three so ricky decides. He wants to go to public school because he wants to be a normal kid. Not a rich kid. Just just real quick. Yeah i need to acknowledge the yes detail of this. Show that you're providing listening okay. I don't think many people can appreciate the magnitude of what you're right now. It's a particular. Give us the full the sensual experience of what. You're okay all right so Basically we're in our living room in our sweatpants and that's about as if you really want me to get detailed. That's absolutely going on here. But you know what. I realized i should have done is for those who aren't familiar with silver spoons as go back and talk about the premise. The premise is. There's this edward stratton third. He is the heir of this mega fortune From his father and grandfather's father is play by john houseman. Very marginally very business oriented disappointed in his son for basically being an oath and a no good nick right and lo and behold ricky schroder comes into this guy's life You know turns everything topsy turvy. Apparently he he had a marriage. You don't know anything really about the ex wife. What her story is. But you do know about ricky. Who and ricky all of a sudden enters this world where he gets this Train remember the train that goes through the room abed abed that shaped like a race car. Has everything at his disposal. But he's the smarter of the of the two in the pair right there and sons son sons good with computers as good judgment. He's got good salesmanship and manipulative skills and he essentially saves the day most of the time for his adopted father's business so we're talking about again suspending our disbelief with some of these sitcoms. One of the episodes. Ricky is being bullied in school. He decides to go to public school because he wants to be a normal kid. Not known as the rich kid This bully ox. He sees the guy that Extorts people for their milk money everyday basis. But you see the scene in the classroom and there's no teacher until five minutes later so kids walking in there sitting down ox comes in. He's facilitating the collection of money. People try to stand up to him. There's no teacher involve. The teacher is also feckless has no control. But she's nowhere in the picture till much later and far later than she needs to be a very accurate portrayal of nineteen eighty classroom. So yet spot on okay. So here's what happens. Next ricky gets punched in the i ready stands up to the bully doesn't want to give him. The milk. money comes home tells his father edward stratton. I've been bullied so you'd appreciate this. Because you're you're the bully coach. Not how to bully but avoids needs to coach. You should air. This is episode. Although i don't know if it's the best most accurate portrayal of of the whole anti bullying campaign. Needless to say And here's the beauty of silver spoons. It has yielded so many guest star appearances. So edward stratton hires a bodyguard to sit in the class with ricky nice for the foreseeable future and who is the bodyguard. Mr t. mr t. Fhu who not only scares oxen. Everybody in his wake including the teacher who has a nervous breakdown but he also gets an a. on all the history tests with nobody can answer. Why did the american revolution happen. Mr t. raises. His hand stands up and answers the question about thoroughly and effectively as you can in twenty minutes at come. It's a it's a show that yielded mr t. Who was at the height of his popularity with the team. Yes done hide that. And then of course jason bateman. This was one of his first shows. The sort of put him on the map. Of course you know jason. Bateman from ozark and dodgeball. All other sitcom he was in. It's your move much later. This is when he's just a little picture right of You know twelve thirteen years old so you know. of course. We talked about erin gray and john houseman but Alphonso ribeira eventually look at carlton. Right from the fresh prince eventually makes the scene so but but again i bring the show up because it's about a relationship between a dad who's not equipped to really be a dad and his son who's already wise beyond his years when he arrives. So if you're looking for some good wholesome you know dad not advice but dad dad type programming especially wall you're cooped up in your house. This is a great show to watch. Now it'll cost you a little money. But i think it's worth alger within his daljit. And i love your always going through the archives there at work doing your research looking for opportunities for dads just just enhanced our viewer. Your are are listenership to us listening to our listeners. Listening Go there you are so committed to your craft just committed to as bad at a dad adam going to the vault of sitcoms for your pleasure. He gets amazing. I'm very proud of the md. Silver spoons brings us to a much simpler time as they say. I never thought. I'd be one of those adults would say. Do you remember the simpler times. But given what's going on in the world right with our our corona virus. Recent election simpler times i think is what we all need right now. Do we do think that are are you now. Now that we're adults look back on my god. They were so software because they were even though at the time. He thought they were the the most devastating no matter. What was your teens. that's history. I ed jennifer Review for movie Now we're back to movie nights movie nights in. Somehow i got the idea of. We want to watch a comedy. So i thought i don't know what happened like ooh blades of glory very funny. That's the ice skating movie with. Yes and john herod and so. My girls Their laughs are just the best. And what's funny is might might makila got most of the inappropriate jokes. Briana l think she gets them but she kind of understands the premise of everything else. And there's dad in that super the guy actually a this billionaire guy goes out adopts little kid and becomes a a wonder kid on the ice in the polar opposites and so he watched that the other night. I gotta tell you nothing gives me greater. Joy listened to my girls laugh as they're laughing all the right places. I've seen it'd be watching a while at md yet. You gotta throw it in there. You gotta there's nothing. There's nothing to get you in one of those like deep belly laughs than a will film. I hear they're even going to be doing a wedding. Crashers two per has just announced it. The crashes too i mean that's just will farrell went to. Usc wasn't fraternity. I can't fathom being in after thirty and being with him because he's just soak so for the kids know who from elf yup but That that was a real highlights of our is dead. Just listening to your kids laugh and like you said with silver spoons and go into those moments that it was just a lighthearted many many of us in our house with more relief things earlier. You know Different through our country but for right now Checkup blades of glory. That was doing the a bit critter cartwheel's ice and they're holding each other. I their faces or their faces. I- briana was laughing so hard. Her cheeks were hurting because turn you know it's funny but it's really just a a fun story. Well let seven. We'll ferrell's just one of those comic geniuses who acts with his face and even though he's holding a serious face. Yeah it's hilarious just just because you know you know with the finish line is is is supposed to be. He did that in old school when he gave that speech about economics against james carville and even though he was like in an out of body experience it was so hilarious just because of the facial expression as best. We were obese. Couples couple summers ago. Nasdaq brothers funny stuff. Goes up to the the drums yes. We realized how risque that film was with with four delegates at the time but boy from from the gut in in love that. Say oh yeah. Oh yeah rewind rewinding itself but that's you know at the time i think he was ten or eleven years old and that's going to happen so coach. I have a feeling that over the next couple of weeks. We're gonna be talking about a lot of movies and tv shows. Sports are winding down outdoor sports or winding down. Know they're thinking about what's going to happen with the winter. Sports says most of them are indoors not really worried about that. And who knows. Maybe maybe we'll have a bad to the dad film festival and tell you what they listeners. If you want to recommend a movie or tv series contact us at bad to the dad dot com. That's contact us. At bad to the dad dot com will add it to social media. Maybe we'll do a little bit of social viewing and talk about it on our podcast offer a little tease for one of our season specials. That'll tease aisin. Please do i'm. I'm getting excited about it. Now that we're three episodes and probably one of the series you're going to be talking about mandalorian we had. We had the guys over in this. Is the weather is nice. Last week we watched the first couple episodes of the mandalorian. So you can expect us having the experts Expert jet is back to the show. Talk about it. Although i'm getting the sense that one of our dads not advan not feeling it. He's not feeling it. And and i get that and you know we. We love a little free debate. The way this this is a special probably due right around new year's time and in addition mandalorian we'll talk about the boys on amazon which saw the most outrageous super shows. You'll ever see. Also i rela academy umbrella academy the whole thing too about Three episodes into into the season was going to be a season. Three is busy okay. Seven little catching up to do but lots to talk about in science fiction and fantasy and yeah about the mandalorian so the three episodes in and you know there are some people who are die hard star wars fans were saying out in cyberspace This season is done. I've had it so after two episodes or like the season's done the third episode was pretty good will and there's been political backlash backlash correctness on a show. That's in space in science. Fiction and people are really angry angry. Like how dare they an episode two. I mean we have. We have to remind people that this happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away far away barbarians our guest. He's coming up next on to the dead. We are to the dead with coach. Randy and adam de remember for a mere fifteen dollars each cushion money fifteen bucks. You can be a sponsor on bad to the dad. And what do you get for those fifteen dollars coach. Let me tell you the guy tell you please. won't you tell us okay For fifteen dollars you not only get promotion but you get over promotion so of course. We'll splash your brand on our social media pages but we'll also talk about you and your business incessantly on the upcoming episodes. That's fifteen dollars to sponsor on bad to the dad coach. You know what i loved about going to college acted it. Got me away from my house question. That can be so many things. I know so many things about you shans okay. So we're we're going. We're going back to that. That's a roundup. Yeah the beauty of going to college. I didn't have a ton of friends but the friends i had were high quality friends and they are the gift that keeps on giving. We've had quite a few years to be Hofstra based friends who are doing really remarkable things especially as dads and today's episode is no different. We've got my good friend. A technical operations. Nbc boston and ambassador of movember and even in his own movember campaign. And that is keith barbaria keith. Great to have you on to the dad. Thanks for spending time with us. I got thanks for having me. I really only agreed to come on. If you're gonna call on call front so regarding box checked box checked and we can move on. Hey it's been a great episode key. Thanks for being on birth. But i just but i just so keith. First of all. I know you're living in boston now. And you lived in hartford but a long island kid and a die. Hard mets fan so you have got to be on cloud nine right now with with the new ownership. What what what are you going. Through as a as a mets fan who's just been waiting for years for some sort of light. Well i think it starts Like a feeling of us oppy right. You have these new honor and reaching treatment. Still kind of talking away from the hand like is a little hard to hard to believe still. Obviously the future doesn't has never looked brighter for mets fan. They just needed to deliver it here on all the great words for earring so yeah i'm hopeful for sure but as a fan bar bars low so if i can watch competitive baseball and actually enjoy a game. In to the end of the summer i could see them at. That's a man. I just hope that uncle stevie cone decides to buy the jets to is yes. Let's let's start with one change for that man just in your pocket change. Seems but he'll he'll make i mean he's already cleaned house. He's bringing in his own people. He's he's talking about all that the the top free agent. So so we'll see you know it's november so we have to talk about baseball because that gives us a little bit of hope for for the spring so agni never worked so i think there were people in layers of leadership there that had all this history and were married to ideas and always doing things. It was time to sweep it out. Start over so that might be the best move. You may from the awesome all right well. We'll stop talking about the mets because it could. It could depress us. Let's talk about some some more interesting things and of course the reasons why we've had john so keith. You you've been in the news business for quite some time now the better part of rim years since one thousand nine hundred none of your business And i know you're with the today show which must have been a marvelous experience. Because there's some great personalities there have been working your way through the ranks through the nbc system but this year in particular you know as head of technology and being entrenched and nbc. Boston which is no snow. Small-market by any means you know. Take us into the take us into the scene. What did you see this year. Given all of the news events that occurred maybe the political season wrapped up. We knew it was coming and early on. You know all that rhetoric been around for four years so it didn't feel all that different earlier on but as we got closer to elections boy. Did it ramp up. And then you add in the all the social issues we've had in the country and it became quite different atmosphere for a news organization. We went from a new tv. We do news and that's kind of a fun job to evaluating where we have to send our fuel crews and hiring professional security ex ex military ex-police to accompany our crews. Our crews were getting approach. Just because they have a camera or just because you may benefit as media even heard what we had to say. You know so. It's become a different beast out there in the field for field teams for sure and then that that just changes the way you have you feel about. You know we have to do the job. We're always very careful about how we craft our message. Tristate straight down amid on. Tell the story. But now you're just hyper aware that any mistake any perception that you lean one way or the other is to call out or even on the technical side you know. Technical issues can make perceived you are favoring one-storey over another. The camera failed as you're about to go to the trump presser while they did it on purpose right. So you know. You're careful unto make sure you're executing at a very high level all the time we really do feel the pressure. Did any of that happen did did. Did you get attacked and did cameras fultz out when they needed to work as far as the. The violence goes boston's a pretty good market. As far as that goes but it. But it's uncomfortable out there but other our other. Nbc markets has some really serious issues. Everything from theft to actual attacks to our reporters and then of course covering protests and riots comes with its own set of rules Both nights you know with our crews out there you know in people like me are back the stationary from home in the kobe. Days watching the video feeds come. In on radios and cell phones to our crew is trying to move them in maneuver maneuver them around the city safely and keep them at an arm's length of violence while close enough to be able to tell the story because that's utterly. Our job is local. Broadcasters based on our fcc requirement to the countries to provide the viewer with critical life safety information when the city's under under a riot. We have to be there. There's no excuse. We can't say sorry scary. We're going home right so we have to figure out how to do it safely in. Luckily here we got through it without any of our teams are getting hurt with some close calls. But like i said other markets up brick rescheduling fascinating. I just can't get over the fact that a job just reporting the news and Being attacked as to the reporters out there the hurricanes went on the polls in. That's that's amazing with think that there's actual we don't see the bodyguards of course likely -magine it'll teach you that in school. Oh by the way as a journalist be prepared to go out there with these. Big security are bodyguards. Because are you doing your job. That's right in school you like. Tv's going to be clarence. It's not glamour challenge right. It's it's a different east but it's exciting to like i. I've covered hurricanes. I was one of five people on a full seven. Forty seven flying to miami to cover hurricane in two thousand re. I actually nine ninety eight. It was and the only reason the plane was. That was floyd. No mine was hurricane george. Y'all and y'all reasonably was going to. Florida was to get people out. And i'm on the plane going to cover and the flight attendant says to me. Are you sure unlike no. So you'd better close the door because Office bulb right out. But you know it was me mia cameroon audio guy and we were just driving around the florida keys. Trying to find a safe place to stay through the storm which we were less than successful isn't the beachfront shack which was wonderful for the two days before the storm showed up. But once the water starts laughing on your front door you break curfew and you bolt and we got almost arrested for being out after curfew. And i use a today. Show t shirt annotation watch to ride my way into the emergency operations center for a spot on their floor to wait out the storm but in between those events were talking to the emergency operation center people to safety crews and we're trying to get the story trying to keep people florida's right and that's the core. What a news organization see. Everybody loves sh- wag. Coach you gotta have swag on you. It's not about money. It's the t shirts kick it off. Orissa hey i got. I got it today. Watch right here on time. It took the hat off my head. And i got into a space that i didn't have access to i always kept swag on but Coaching you make a very good point. They don't teach you this in college but was there any even crash course training for all of the things that were going on in the news this year you know between the riots and covert in the election and everyone was a celebrity death that went on that you earn hates driven this whole series of hurricanes at hasn't hasn't stopped yet other at least sort of. Hey we can't give our training but here's at least the need to know facts in order for you to perform your job better know my start into the business didn't come on with that. I definitely run into virus was was twenty four gone i was wall and do everything probably helped me a little bit. She just like run into the parking. No fear if i had to do today. Another whole different perspective but Having now been mystery for twenty five years with with nbc for twenty three. I have all this perspective. And i try to make sure that in my role now as leader with the station that i'm providing that information that people that have to go out there and do not me anymore thankfully but i can prepare them better so we did spend a lotta time all year with a field safety training wariness. All of those things are very deep in detail. Safety program that covers all sorts of risky events that are reporters to cover and we spent a lot of time on that topic this year for sure. So speaking of topics we want to switch gears a little bit. You've got the background that people see on social media movember and i know that you've been intimately involved in this campaign for the better part of nine years. I tell us a little bit about movember for those listeners. Who aren't familiar with it. And why you got involved in it Yeah so vulgar is a unique fundraiser organization. That really focuses just on men's health issues. And i don't think you know there's there's a lot out there but haven't really found one that just says you know what men are men. Don't like to talk about the health issues. Era suicide rates among men are very high. Because it's perceived to be weak to admit that you have emotional issues and we want to do something about that so i think that's what makes movember unique and the group that runs it as their dedicated in. It's really a full year fundraiser. With one month focused on the public growing really creepy mustaches. And i'm glad this topic. Because i i have to explain this anyway coming on and with this this is only happens for thirty days right but It started for me as founded on. Social media is like a fundraiser moustache. I thought that was the easiest laziest fundraiser ever and off the walk run just grow hair my money and i didn't think it would work and the first year raise like five hundred bucks mcdonagh's gic. How did that happen. I grew an ugly mustache. And what i found for. The first year is like it created this group where guys talked about the stuff they were dealing with and i found it refreshing and healthy the turned into social events. You know big fundraisers ours nights out in a social experience. That i wasn't having either. That thought was fun. So it just became this thing For nine years strata. Done this crazy mustache. Lead teams at and we. You know two years ago raised over eight thousand dollars thirty days so it's been kind of fun. That's awesome keith. You mentioned a few uncles on your on your web page and of course we wanna give everybody the web page so they can donate and hopefully eclipse the number that you have unscreened there which has seventeen o one which is still pretty amazing being that the the month is just under a half completed but so you were motivated personally in participating in movember. Yeah once you start thinking about fundraising and starting about manning your home is you realize. They didn't talk about their health issues. And i probably could learn from them and So yeah sometimes it was punk -als or relatives that were currently done without that sadly others that have already asked But i keep that close my heart is. I go through the month for sure website. It's easy it's member dot com. You can just click the donate blood if you just want to donate the reservation. You can always search for me if you feel like donating to me And you can use your camera. Declare your qr code to you That works but really important to get the money to movember so dot com. And just doing you know what. I'm finding keith. Is the diseases or the problems then. Mental or physical. Or you know related to the organs. I don't know maybe it's just an observation. I have really no data to support this. I feel like those kinds of elements are happening in men at a younger and younger age. Like i remember when heart disease was happening diabetes colon. Cancer it was in our grandfathers uncles when they were in their late sixties seventies eighties. And now you hearing about so. Many cases of of these problems in late thirties forties early fifties so it seems like the occurrences are happening younger and younger and men. If you're seeing the same thing. I think we're more aware of it. I think that might be the whole point year. I don't think we talked about it. In plain was dealt with plenty of things and we were told. Just rub some dirt on it and give back right and And you know to to admit that you you were broken a bit or you weren't bulletproof meant you may not get the promotion or you might not get hired or you couldn't young supply of your family and industry was bad that way back that but there are different rules now and Most good corporations support good health safer to to admit that you need help. You have issues and there's plenty to help out there if you look for you know case it's interesting. I think what you alluded to his at Might my grandfather had prostate cancer My father has just finished history for prostate cancer. She can pretty much guarantee that it's genetic And so. I already spoke to my doctor. I m much more aware of it. And i think that's why we're probably seeing cases. Earlier is because men were men right. I remember when i was in college. I think we're about the same time my professor bid it very clear that He grew up during time where men are. Men and helmets were made of leather. Saying it's it's nice to your other. I don't think we're really quite past that stigma as far as we need to be in terms of being okay to have emotional and mental health issues if the deal with it and yes you gotta get your boss jet. You have to you know. And it's no fun when the doctor jammed his finger up your your hyde part but you have to because ultimately it's about your health and it's okay to talk about that and i love the Involves new found a guys like you said it's just get a girl mustache. People give money to an organization That's fantastic good for you. Good for you. I know what to tie it into being a dad. Since that's the justice of this podcast. Right i mean what is more manly md. Well listen you know i. I learned a lot from keith at at hofstra. You know how to do a smooth transition. This is not now not a smooth transition because we're talking about the and so we're we're breaking it down but yes i did see what he did. They're paying attention coach. Yes very effective the plea artemije pointing out that you did a fantastic segue into the job that we haven't had the discussed in great detail how we do it. You did. Naturally he thank you. So much for your professionalism. I apologize for the eruption. But i just that's the nature of meat. You know hannity. i don't know i do anyway. What's more manly. What's more strong as man's you do what you have you for your family. Your kids being admitting higher risk who are health issue and getting a checked and staying alive longer for your kids not fbi at right that's gonna do. That's great so clearly your dog too. Which is the beauty of podcasting from home. Anytime the wind blows. You've you've got your neighborhood. Watch marketing away so so talk about being a dad. Did you always want to be a dad always. Yeah i think so. I think i always picture myself having kids. Yeah and say. Do you have multiple kids more than one. No i thought. I thought i'd want more than one in but after one while we loved the experience every minute was awesome We also decided one was enough so we were wanting to pretty quickly. We decided awesome daughter. She's amazing got you. Do you lease with the option of by a and he owns his own rubber gloves and speaking of rubber gloves. I understand that you're childbirth experience. Not you personally but you know you. You're in the room Is a little more unique to probably many of our listeners. You did a natural childbirth scenario in the home. Can you tell us a little bit about that. Yeah we were. We were seeing a midwife for care primarily and she offered home birth. When we weren't thrilled hospitals that she was associated with and something that really builds my wife As a standard guy and the early two thousands. Like are you crazy. you know. And that's kind of where. I started the more i i opened my mind learned about it. The more comfortable. I got and we chose to do a home birth Actually my parents house. Just we'd have support But it was the most peaceful amazing experience was just us in the basement with midwife. No doctors nurses around no machines. No of course if there was any issues. We're going to get up and go to hostile right. There was a backup plan but things went as expected. Labour started the night before by two pm. The next day on a saturday my daughter was born in a makeshift like pool that we you not a kiddy pool beer than that but it was a water birth in home in the basement. Parents house Healthy baby girl and when it was over we were just home. Like the whole thing was was awesome. We run full control. We did twelve weeks training to be able to advocate for ourselves and it was just an amazing experience and it was over. We would tell people and same reaction. You know that. I'm getting from youtube. Wow that's crazy in knots in while interested. I'm also horrified as kind of look. I always get what i tell the story. I just wanna make sure you put newspapers down. Because i'd be worried about flooding. Well there's a great. There's a great moment right but my parents especially my mother was a bit of a basket. She is normally so this was putting her over the edge. She was drinking by nine. Am but i had a shorter for months. That was going to be fine that we had it under control and we're trying to fill up a with water to make it a nice hot bath from my wife and tap water heater so it was like i couldn't get hot water. A little bit rusty water cleaned it out and start over so i shot up the stairs. Mom boil water and it was like you know the the the some western movie chart screaming back but anyway so but it was fine. We had hot water as a wonderful laugh but so everyone wanted to hear the story all the time we thought. Maybe we teach it and we. We went back to the organization. We learned from that point. It was called the bradley method of childbirth and we became certified as teachers when we started teaching natural childbirth eventually writing and creating our own course material and starting our own child natural childbirth class in connecticut taught over three hundred couples. How to advocate for themselves in birth. It wasn't just home birth. We taught we taught natural birth. No matter what the place you chose hospital home birthing center wherever it was. It was really about teaching people how to advocate themselves and prepare to be parents. Yeah night so. I have a question just because i'm a male and i don't give birth and i hear the i heard this natural right and so as to assume that there's some natural childbirth when you say natural is it because you're in. The pool is at the natural piece. Know your story quickly. Childbirth became very medical prestige car trying to remember the last president. I think it was jimmy. Carter was actually mourn at home and then and then right after him. Everyone was in the hospital like mothers our age. They were when they went to labor. They were knocked out it were they were given something go to sleep. Woke up his mother's and they had real trouble being most because they didn't experience becoming a mother was just. I woke up and a mom. Right and doctors in hospitals have taken such control. Rebirth are birth. Mortality rate is actually one the highest in the world compared to countries that how many less resources than ours. So there's been this push among women to take control back over their experience. Joe napa and natural so. Let the let the body do what needs to do until is a reason for intervention and then we dip into the wonderful amazing technology and science we have to save lives and to help women hound breath. So that's the difference between natural. Airplane makes sense very cool so now that you have a daughter what are you like to do with your daughter and of course you're your beautiful wife erica. What what's fun with the barbaria family these days so as a young father. You're like me can't wait. Stop and you know all the picture always you're gonna do the things you're interested. I hope she likes to sank. Mojave dabbled in niger. Which does najiba you have all these plans. Then you once. You're old enough to have been opinion. You're gonna have to do the things that they do. You wanna have a bond with your job. So really depends. We're hurting just go lately. It's been ballroom dancing them ballroom dancing for a couple of years The same way. If she got into golf i go play off right. I'm just. I'm more interested in having maintaining bond with my child really. I'm sure there's some things i won't do this. It'd be a short list of things i wouldn't do. May how old is she. she's fourteen yes. Freshmen in highschool. Yes yeah how fun is that. It's a great age. She still likes me like another year or two to really enjoy that for awhile. I realize you know if. I'm not there with a car the money she won't be as interested like me again when it's very nice. That's very funny. So we have this little segment on our show called dad vice where we kind of bring things home. It's advice for dads. So i mean you've had shared some wonderful stories from so many different things but if there's one piece of advice you'd like to offer our dads what would that be ties back into everything we've talked about in a way whether it's talking about your health issues for member or a the natural trauma piece. I think what. I've learned from myself and from coaching men to prepare to be fathers. Is that takes work. And you should prepare for it and you should learn and do the work as men will spend longer researching. The next tv were or the next playstation. We should spend more time doing that than we will to prepare for child or or for some other thing that attached of being father this takes work. And that's that's fatherhood No more important work in your life than this and if your interest after be pushed aside or you know. There's plenty of sacrifice to be made but the payoff is always so much better than sacrifice twice three times as much as the sacrifice. So my my advice to especially young dads is do the work. Ask the questions find other death. Read the book. Find the find. The badge of the dad podcast. I would have loved to have this podcast. When i was teaching the classes. Every father to be listening to this podcast this type of stuff. That wasn't around back right. Guys need to prepare to be fathers to be better father to be better husbands. That's three hundred downloads. Coulda had coach. Maybe even more our guest today has been keith barbaria. We covered a lot of ground. Movember of course being entrenched in the nbc news community of course natural childbirth as expected some amazing amazing dad vice keyed. That's been great having yom. Please give my love our love to your folks. I miss them dearly. To janine your sister Spent a lot of overnights at the are barrier household when i was going to school on long island and Get missed them dearly. It just Yet your car to the repair shop on when you lost your transmission but you were pushing me to the anco dealership right with micron with your car and then you let me you. Let me take your car home. And then i come from new jersey back to long island two days later while the car was being repaired on the island of things we do for our friends but again cherish cherish memories. And again you know look look forward to keep it on. Keep an on so a good luck with november one more time the website. How do we find information on november More particularly your your channel your site yet. Mogambo dot ru My name you'll come up as a as a mo- grow and you can donate directly to my face. Like i said i'm more interested in seeing the money. Go to move dot com donate on cain again. That's movember with an m. as in mustache november. Move mustache november. Yeah you'll see the logo with the mustache and you can't miss it. You can't go wrong. We are bad to the dad. Download us with you find podcasts. We are bad to the with coach. Randy and adam de remember few have guessed idea or a show idea or you have some movie ideas you want us to watch. You want us to talk about on our humble podcast here which is not terribly humble. You can email us at contact us. At bad to the dad dot com. That's contact us at bad to the dow dot com or. You can see us on social media. We're on instagram. Facebook twitter and linked in so our handle their for the most part is at bad to the dad can also contact us through our website and that is bad to the dead dot com coach. Another fine episode. We've gotten ourselves into episode eleven with keith. Barbaria from nbc. Boston also pushing and rightly so the whole movember thing with regard to me night's episode other great guests as you always bring them in adam date always. Do we want to thank keith. For making an appearance and bringing some awareness on a whole bunch of topics whole bunch of topics and episode eleven. It feels like just just yesterday. We had joe fooled on from the campaign project train. We probably have to get him back on here now that the election is over or even About his observations about jonah captain we again from north carolina so well north carolina was one of those. We're waiting we're waiting states. And lo and behold it did as he predicted factored in to to the election itself. Yeah so i again. I think we're really proud of season. Four hopefully you the listeners. Who tune in every week and download unless nastier proud to of the product that. We're we're putting out here and of course being part of our community. We really tried to make for topical and of course fun. It's a pet project that we love doing and is to come. we have a few few potentials. We're not gonna be able to confirm everything right now. We've got a few potentials. can you give them a taste. I'm gonna give them the we're gonna talk about our our good friend and comedian mark v. Who actually went through a hip replacement. He's a contemporary of ours. You know late forties early fifties who had hip replacement during covid very scary and was walking around with a not walking around but walker arou- around without a hip for some time just because they had to keep delaying the surgery. And you know. We're talking about men's healthier. I'm sure there are many folks out there who had undergo the same thing you know An elective surgery or semi serious surgery. 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The Science Of Concealment (Podcast Season 7, Episode 309)

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The Science Of Concealment (Podcast Season 7, Episode 309)

"Join us in a world where you're listening to ballistic radio. Sit back as we discuss. Hard one of the best of personal competition shooting tune into three house to offer. Let us help you help yourself no matter where you are in your personal path. Ballistic Radio brought you by lucky on recall that federal cream. Every they don't help now. Here's your host John. Johnston welcome to bullets. Melissa Radio brought to you by lucky dot com and federal premium ammunition. They paid for this. So you don't have to. I'm your host. John Johnston remember. You can always listen to past shows that ballistic radio DOT com the latest behind the scenes info arguments photos videos other things at facebook dot com slash radio. Hey Joe if this was a marathon we'd be like entering the stadium flick the last half mile or so. Yeah Yeah it's So it's funny because I make jokes about having. Adhd I actually do like not like pretend but like actually do and what I've noticed about this is like the first episode focused second third episode focused for episode ten eating. Yeah tenuous fifth episode name again. Yeah and then it's like we're on number six now squirrel. Yeah pretty much pretty much we can do it though we've got this but Before we've got this do you know what else we have we have. We have segment sponsor and this segment is brought to you by lucky goner and federal premium ammunition. Whether there was a fire or you you do in fact one to worry about that little guy. You need more ammo when it's time to restock you can't beat federal premium initial public dot com with a shipping department. That's always moving at eighty eight miles per hour if I were to a case of American Eagle from a Thursday. It's at my door. Separated before the weekend starts head till he dot com today to check out there in stock lineup up of federal premium ammunition. Remember unless you're on fire or drowning or something you can never really have too much ammo swimming. If you're swimming you could have too much ammo. That kind of makes sense kind of way you down. Yeah could could anyway joining us. John Hoffman from Phil- stor. How's it going John? Great how about you John. I can't John Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor. Yeah No I'm super happy and excited to be here. Actually genuinely so For those that don't know who are you what do you do. I am John Houseman. Nine the owner and operator of Phil Stir Holsters where we make a variety of central concealed carry equipment ranging from inside the waistband Holzer's to essential medical gear and some advanced Concealment solution like the flex as well as other accessories which make your existing great products better like the Arc enhanced light switches for your sure fire x three hundred and similar lights and those things are really cool and I know that a lot of people when they think about those are thinking about utilizing them on a pistol which they're excellent for but I'll tell you even even more useful for me is where I mount a alight on a shotgun It's incredibly useful for that. And how I solve that particular problem so highly a highly recommend but what I'd like to talk about today is for people that choose to carry a gun and we could have an entire our conversation about whether or not you need whether or not you should choose to carry a gun whether or not You know that's that's a good decision for people and their lifestyle and what they're willing to change what they're not willing to change but An often misunderstood topic that I think we'll be intriguing. is the size of the gun that someone chooses to carry and there are there are two sides to this argument. And let's talk about that and I'll let you start okay. So obviously there are pros and cons to small and large guns And both of them have Were bits of mythology around them And it's Kinda in Detroit but true to say it's not the size of the gun. It's how you shoot it which is also relevant. But there's some some truth to that so we'll start start with small guns So there are elements of smaller missiles missiles which have a lot going for them things like weight and thickness of the pistol Matter considerably in terms of you know comfort and conceal ability You know the the the compromises of caring smaller Oregon are obvious Grip size is truncated. Which means you don't get a whole lot picky pressure which means that you then Can Experience Some require management issues. the massive the gun And the things like the you you know recoil springs that are put in smaller. Guns can Do things that make the recoil. A little bit more pronounced on top of having a smaller group I don't know how much sight radius really matters because it's not that hard to get significantly hits with things like Glock Twenty six forty eight's But a lot of companies as they see gun culture two point Oh emerging emerging and start focusing on smaller guns concealed carry There are things that seem like commonsense. That kind of aren't aren't and the things that appeal gun buyers like size of the gun Wind up having some some mythology attached to them so for example we'll take a glock forty three for example right Clock does the amazing Marketing Marketing and sales maneuver of releasing. Something and then releasing subsequent versions that you want more of or more Following the initial Washer so everyone who bought a glock forty three ones by Glock forty eight. Because that's what the gun probably should have been to begin with The manufacturers love have to sell guns with shorter barrels as more conducive to conceal carry when the reality is that the grip length. Thanks although that's where most of your compromise comes from in terms of shoot ability and capacity is what really matters in terms of of of concealment 'cause the muzzle of the gun. Goes Down your pants and presumably. We've got a lot more It's it's way easier to conceal the Muslim than it is to conceal the grip. I was just hoping that you would say you've got a lot more room down your pants and you do outside your pants but that was that was what I was hoping for their anyway. Continue I'm trying to keep your. ADHD on track. John I'm screaming and I know you've been recording all morning so I'm trying to keep it Concise and focused and not to stray too far from the point but at any rate concealing the muzzle of the gun is the easy part and when a customer who might not be quite as initiator experience sees a smaller on they see something. That's easier to conceal now. I think we've discussed the several times. Thomas Thomas discussed it From darkstar with you on other episodes but when you've got a gun that's like a Glock forty three or glock twenty twenty six and you load that thing full of one hundred forty seven grain ammunition. There's more mass in the grip above the beltline. Then there is massive the gun below the beltline it's like having a ship with a Keel. You put a really tall sail on it and no kill the chip's GonNa tip over. So you have to have something below the beltline or the waterline. This metaphor to balance out that mass. And what happens to a lot of people they get a small gun. They stick it in their waistband and they go why is this less comfortable and harder to conceal than a larger gut and has has to do with the weight distribution the balance and the tendency I mean and especially considering the smaller gun you WanNa get like a little bit more ride hat out of it so you can get at that. Get your hand on the small group a little quicker so you wind up with a lot of mass above the beltline and almost nothing to balance that out so the gun tips away from the body drives drives the muzzle into Your your hip or your or your abdomen. However you're carrying an appendix or three o'clock you get a lot of printing is the grip pushes out into your shirt and you get an incredibly acute hotspot where the muzzle pushes into your body and So on the one hand there are some physics of a smaller gun which make them easier to conceal zeolite. They don't weigh as much they don't pull your pants down as much They have a sickness dimension which is reduced compared to a full size double stack pistols. But what happens. Do a lot of people's they run into this problem and are confused as to why they're shielded they're forty eight or or similar gun isn't improving your experiences to carry right and so hold that thought because we've got to go to break and then we'll pick right up. We're talking with John on Hoffman from filter. You're listening to ballistic radio. Welcome back to you. Bullets radio brought to you by DOT com and federal premium ammunition. They paid for this. So you don't have to this same brought to you. By Wilson. Combat Wilson combat makers of the finest custom nine elevens and Scattergun since nineteen seventy seven legacy equality innovation and service learn learn more about their firearms and accessories as well as the new x nine L. The five inch version of the nine which offers discriminating shooter ninety seven match. Great Accuracy Superior Ergonomics and conceal seal ability with modern service pistol reliability and capacity they've got fifteen and eighteen around flavors at. WWW DOT wilson combat dot com So you were talking about how guns like to rotate smaller guns. Like to rotate away from the body just due to the physics involved of having more mass above the beltline in pretty much nothing underneath the beltline. Yes so what I and a number of other holster makers do compensate with us by offering holsters for small all guns that are longer than the gun itself and now every size gun pretty much until you start getting into like Glock thirty four length Anything that is nineteen Glock nineteen size or smaller benefits from having a longer holster And that will aid in the balancing and create that Keel effect And resist the movement away from the body of of the grip of the gun Where was I going with Yeah so the next part is that people say well. I WANNA shorter because it makes it easier for me to sit down. I do a lot of sitting standing and driving and I don't like having that long muzzle. Poke into me and while no one likes that my recommendation for those people. Typically is that if you aren't getting the muzzle jamming into any part of your body when you sit down especially with the thank scary that's typically assign of either having your holster adjusted to the wrong ride height itself relative to the belt With not enough broom between the Griffin's is done and the beltline and to probably wearing your pants too low a lot of people Especially these days genes might ride a little bit lower and that causes circumstance where the Muslim of the gun is situated lower relative to the body. I recommend that To determine where the appropriate ride height for your pants should be is to at least at a minimum. Depending on your your body shaping how much gotten belly you identify those front crests of the of the pelvis and make sure that your belts isn't any lower than those typically you know two to three fingers with Below your belly button is as low as really. WanNa let your right when carrying because then you're gonna get the muzzle creeping further and further down India's roaring Area or into your and making it way harder than it used to be to sound comfort And you also look like a Slob. So there is that now That typically solves most people's comfort into them issues and with the failing trends and holster technology in terms of you know generating grip rotation and wedges either built in or added to the outside of the holster. Her Adjusting your pants. A little bit higher isn't GonNa Increase your increase in grip printing significantly enough that you need to you know where your pants lower in the conceal the gun. Some people leather pants sag so their gut hangs over the grip and the shape of the gun is sort of masked into the housing affected occurs the shirt crests over there larger alley This might sound a little harsh and it might not necessarily be in an immediately the accessible solution for most people but Heart disease is one of the leading causes of death in men and Excessive abdominal fat is an indicator of that potential to occur in your life so if you reduce the size of your belly elite and increase the size of your chest you can get the same housing affect eventually and that will also help conceal your gun. Well and that's that's an interesting thing to so I've been Depending on what point in my life you catch me out morbidly obese or relatively civilly in shape and so a lot of people have said me all must be so much easier to carry. WBZ Now that you've lost weight and funny enough the reverse is true. Not that it's hard now But it was easier when I was fat. And the thing about that. If you're a bigger guy or GAL What what makes that easier or more difficult is actually wearing pants? That are the correct size. And this thing thing happens if you you know if you gain weight I've noticed tendency especially for dudes for the beltline due to creep lower and lower and lower so I'm still on a size. Thirty Pants Blake. Well you can still get size thirty eight pants to you. Know the low point of your hips. But you're probably in in all reality more like a forty two or forty four and you're just not wearing your pants at your natural waistline And that's and you sort of spoke to that already but that's That's super important. There's actually some youtube videos The talk about like the three hundred th parallel and I can't remember for the life of me who put those videos out but the really well done done as far as like how do you carry a gun. WB bigger dude. Yeah and I also went through something similar where I got in better tape and I dropped off some of my gut and I had to anything that I had so I think we've talked in the past about how Holster has elements of it. That are a prosthesis more than just that you buy and put on and expect to work sure And I as I lost weight. Eight and my body composition changed. I had to go back through all of my holsters and reconfigure them to Accommodate the changes that my body had gone through so I think that's something that people need to be prepared for as they get on during. Yeah so as far as the you know the small gun thing right and the the the pluses and minuses for caring for for Meam mm-hmm and you touched on this but like the primary thing That will get me to select a smaller gun over. Larger gun ends up generally being weight eight. And that's that's a that's a function of You know what what am I wearing to support the weight of the gun and I play around a lot with caring in gym clothes that that that is an area of particular interest to me You know I'm just due to my lifestyle and some stuff attendant with it and that's primarily. were all select a smaller gun You know and then the compromises between capacity and shoot ability is questionable Says I know plenty of folks that you know. Do they experience a fall off with a smaller gun. Sure but that's more a function of the sites that are on traditional additional smaller guns and like one of the really nice things about the last five years especially small guns have good sates now which never used to be the case But what are I guess. What are some of the Miss Attendant with a larger gun. You know so you already hit on some of the smaller. The things that people say about carrying a small gun like plus or minus what. What about Larger Firearm well the the primary myth which is exacerbated by the existence of smaller smaller. Guns didn't exist. That wouldn't be true. Oh that Margin guns are harder to conceal. I mean there is an upper threshold of that obviously Once you get into into things like twenty eleven with a mag well you start to push the limit on what most people most bodies in a t-shirt in conceal well and to be clear to you And I'm sorry to interrupt but there are certain environments. Where if you're if if you're going into a strict non-permissive environment and I know that term like causes consternation with certain crowds but like a non permissive environment? Let them be concerned turnt. Yeah right the the the not the non permissive environment as it is understood understood in the larger community okay not like operational environments but non permissive environment where there are negative consequences to getting made with a gun or certain required modes of dress. Then yeah yes. Larger gun might not be an option. Right sure if if there are limits on a what you can get terms of concealing You know As far as how you dress. And if it's the kind of thing that results in either a legal encounter or employment termination feel like that's like fairly early consequential so but typically People believe that Things like block nineteen glock seventeen guns approximately that size aren't really all that easy to conceal or they need to constantly search for something smaller A lot of that has to do with equipment choice and dress and and that's A topic of frequent conversation but A lot of people have been making a relatively basic mistake regarding that Recently and I've well hold that thought because this is a really good like cliffhanger to get people to tune back in after the break so so right now. We're talking with John Hoffman from filter. You're listening to you. Ballistic Radio. 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If you'd like to continue I would so we were talking about What I'm starting argue? Identifies the single biggest mistake that people make when coming to the conclusion that a large on his harder to conceal outside outside of holster choice because A lot more people are getting driven into Brands that Employ these various strategies for Grip rotation and The provision for some kind of wedge and I think the ability to adjust your appendix carry holster or any inside the waistband holster on a number of angles to conform in. Your body is crucial. Right we've talked about how the gun for the holster is a platform for a individualize. Prosthetic experiment right where you're taking a unnatural mechanical device and causing to conform to the body in such a way that it is comparable rable and not obvious right. And that's a journey that everybody needs to do individually They need to identify the best platform for what they're going to be applying to it in terms of Additional prosthetic accommodations and what features they have as standard in order to accomplish that So having a wing or grip rotation or some feature that helps instigate reputation into the body is really important however the success of all of those adjustments and individual personal customisations is contingent on one. Really important important thing. And that is the belt that you choose A lot of folks over the past number of years have been driven into into stiff gun belts as the optimal choice for Concealment and that was actually a position that I held were some amount of time And have revised that opinion over the years What I see happening to a lot of customers is especially you know in terms of customer service emails or participating in forums where people express these concerns? Someone will say I got this holster. I got this belt you know. I'm all geared up for concealed carry. Why is this uncomfortable? Wise not conceal as well as I thought it would. Everyone seems needs to be having a great experience with all the stuff. Why am I not experiences that as well and in variably what has occurred the customer for the end user has obtained a very stiff gun belt which has been you know what was recommended to them and what they're prepared to buy and and the downside of that as well while stiff gun belts are great for outside the waistband Kerry because there's a different physics occurring there in so far far as the massive guns positioned on the outside of the bells When you're carrying inside the waistband guns positioned inside the belt? The belt needs to behave differently. If you're wearing a like wagon wheel hula-hoop of you know quarter inch thick leather or you know a couple of scuba wedding. That belt is never going to conform to your body. So you can put the belt on and if if you're in reasonably decent shape and you can put the belt on and it holds. Its shape in such a way that it doesn't conform to your body like if you get a little cap gap between the your your your pelvis and the crest of your abdomen. You know where the gun would go when you're carrying appendix if your belt naturally makes a gap there that means that the belt is stiff enough that instead of causing the gun in the holster to forty your body. It's natural shape and stiffness will pull the gun away from the body causing it to conform to the UH diameter. The belt and that is something that you want to have a little bit of compression from the belt causing the gun to press into the body and to activate all of the concealment and comfort features of the holster. If the gun is being pulled away from the body towards the stiff bell you're going to get much more printing than you ordinarily would get and you're also going to get some more of that most drive in the body and I would like people to avoid the problem of buying a expensive high end belt expecting certain results and then turning turning around and having to immediately replace it as part of their discovery of how to make this comfortable the most is crucial The most crucial element of the belt. Still L. is stiffness in some in one dimension insofar as the belt shooting buckle or compressed like if you grab it from the top the bottom of the belt and squeeze it it shouldn't deform or compress or crumple but it should be Soft and flexible enough on the other access that when you snug up your belt it begins to actually conform to the shape shape of what's underneath. Well it does and something else too that it seems like information sort sort of taken for granted but at least by the people know about it but I don't think it's immediately obvious to maybe others. The positioning of the belt buckle becomes incredibly important for somebody types as well doesn't it yes I'll see a number of people complain about printing and they'll have you know double scuba webbed belt with a large buckle on the front wich is essentially like a tent pole under their shirt when when as counters owners gun Depending on where you need to position the gun where the belt loops on your pants are because some some are positioned further from the center. You know that first loop maybe positioned further or closer to the centre on some pants. It's wider than others Or the loops and soldier. Hold your wider You may need to offset your belt. Buckle off center and the belt might need to have its closure closure somewhere around ten o'clock on your body rather than twelve o'clock And that can help Concealment in terms of where the belt in encounters the gun. Because the closer the the the gun is to the buckle the less yes material you have to. So it's stiffer around the buckle because of how the belt is sewn together How much distance there is between between the gun and the mechanical portion of the buckle You might want to offset the buckle so that there is a longer strap of webbing or leather before afford encounters the gun and that will increase the conformity to the body One of the products that we offer the flax ax is a system which allows you to mount a number of items magazine carriers Extra pouches may sheets and a holster to a hype on panel. That you put inside your pants which can help free you up from having to negotiate the location of the buckle and the location of the belt of the pants loops in terms of where you place your gear. So you can place your your wherever you want Agnostic to how those gear pieces these would otherwise encounter the belt and the pants. And then you can position your belt however you like not constantly in a fight between your gear and your clothes jobs and that's one of the solutions that were fairly proud that AIDS people inconsistent in concealing the relatively large number of they might want to conceal Cure if this is good pausing point we got to go to break right now. We're talking to John Helpmann from filter. You're listening to ballistic realistic radio. Welcome back to elicit radio brought brought to you by dot com and federal premium ammunition. They paid for this. So you don't have to just just like smiling at me from the producers birth. He's like wow. He's putting different emphasis on different syllables. You're just shaking your head of me. Joe Beautiful thank you I am. I feel very pretty right now She's a we're talking with John Hoffman from filter And before the break we were talking about the importance of essentially the belt on how How that sort of plays with things things and then you were talking about the flex which is a an excellent option? Here's something I think is. oftentimes overlooked is different body types and not even different body but just different individuals are going to find different solutions workable or not workable based based on things. That are often times difficult for individuals outside of that experience to sort of get firsthand and and what I mean by that particularly is So like the flexes is a really good example I've played with the flags I think the flex is great. It doesn't work for me and how I do things but I didn't know that until I got to play with it and What's funny though? Is I still recommend people. It's a great product and does a great thing just for for whatever reason my specific set of circumstances it It doesn't it doesn't work and that seems is be lost on a lot of people when these arguments start flying back and forth on the Internet. It's like well this works for me. It's gotTa work for everyone else doesn't always it's it's not like that at all as well. No I mean it's very subjective It's like it's like sites on your gun you know everyone's everyone's GonNa have a different. Vision differ slightly different way of shooting Different You know Corrected Vision issues. So if I like fibers with a black rear and someone else likes like hd sites and you don't really know what's going to work and not work about a certain subjective adjustment that you make to your specific gear until you experienced it and you know I was talking about this the the other day. I've went through literally every kind of iron site that is made until I wound up with a with a red dot optic on my gun because I struggled with the subjectivity of my vision for a long time and I never got better at installing excites. They're always a mess but You know I've I tried. You know blacked out sites I tried you know thin fibers of the rear Iran I even had big dots for a little while and HD and like every time that I'd you know put in a few months a few thousand rounds of shooting those sites in order to see if you know if if it had to do with the adjustment period where it was just my vision. You know it's it's a it's a frustrating endeavor sometimes but you have to come and to an understanding of your own subjective requirements for whatever. That solution is going to be Fortunately there are a lot of great resources. Everywhere won the show being one of them to the facebook book page associated with this show where people can actually get good information. There's filter operates a number of user groups for the for the various products. Folks that we make where people who have experienced the products are sharing the things that they've done in order to optimize it for themselves Places like I know Matt over primary and secondary has expanded the scope of of what. He's doing to rope in more people who are a a little earlier on the path So they can get some some Better information earlier on you know I. I think those are all valuable things and there's a lot of information out there and there's a lot of people that you can ask who are probably fairly similar to you and some aspects and you can get a a little bit of a jump start on What you can expect And the other thing is to manage your own expectations to encounter this process knowing that there's a subjectivity. Chivvy curve not even a learning curve but the subjectivity curve of any change that you make or optimization you make to your concealed oh carry Equipment is going to come with a period of time where you adapt to newness of that and once that adaptation is done then you have to determine whether or not you know once you're sort of over the newness UNISOM the change that you've made you kind of need to determine whether or not it works for you. A lot of people will try something for a week and then go oh. This doesn't work for me when his back. You know if you ever bought a new pair of Nice boots. They're not going to be perfect to. I have got to break them in a little bit. And then you see determine whether or not I need an insult for them you know right when like from a from a shooting perspective the best example I have of that So at various points I've run Double Action Six currently doing thing with Lucky Governor and depending on with when this episode gets hosted The five thousand update will be up or getting ready to be out on on the. Does this gun suck Legion to twenty nine Rx. And when I started shooting that gun my opinion on it versus five thousand thousand rounds into it wildly different You know my opinion on the optic his remained relatively the same amy. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA share that opinion because the entire point is you go to garner Read there but My point being is that you know that adjustment period even though I had shot a bunch of double action six in the house Certainly present You you know. And that's that's with anything and I think the I think the hard part for new gun. People or New Kerry very people is if they are not at least familiar that this can be comfortable. They begin to just accept uncomfortable uncomfortable as a matter of like. I'm going to do this thing and it's going to suck you think. Yeah so there's there's some amount of there's that that trope of it's not comfortable. It's comforting which I don't think is especially true? Either I don't I think referring to your gun. It's comforting is a little bit of a Talisman mentality it's a tool Not a Teddy Eddie bear right right But it can be comfortable and it and some of the the degree to which is comfortable. It depends kind of on your expectations Some some people are quick to espouse the experience of of having a gun in a wholesome so comfortable that they forgot. It's on and that does occur for some people. I'm not necessarily sure that. That is a expectation that people should hold to be universally true. Because everybody's body's different rent everybody's GonNa have a a a different challenge but It can feel normal and More than tolerable would without a whole lot of work. I mean bare feet. Always feel more comfortable than shoes. Right That's why we take our shoes off. We want to be comfortable. That doesn't mean that all of your shoes are uncomfortable right. It's just. It's hard to get shoes that for nearly impossible to get shoes that feel like actual bare feet For a number of reasons but you you can get shoes. That are really uncomfortable. Well in it seems like to that It's almost like a threshold. So I I wrote trip a lot Carrying a gun w being and despite the protestations of the Internet I I sit down. Yeah I drive a car. I'm even able to choose when my shoes have things to be tied But like all things that people that don't know any better a lot some possible I will say this so the longest road trip. I've taken wearing a gun. Continuously was thirty six hours And I'll tell you I was uncomfortable on that trip at various points and the gun was not the primary reason why oh no. I've I've taken a number of road trips that are in the you know. Fifteen to twenty hour range While carrying and did did the discomfort that I experienced on those trips isn't one of I can't wait to take my gun off. It's one of. I can't wait to get out of this vehicle. You know just like just being like I think we contacted you say. How do you prevent like the back and arm and shoulder? Soreness from like like sitting in a car seat for fifteen hours like the the the gun was the least uncomfortable. Part of that experience. It was the you like. If you're stuck in the position of looking out the front of your car with the hand on the wheel whatever muscles you're using to maintain that position are going to be in way more pain than the part of your body in contact with your girl and so we're at the end of the show but I will say this as far as long road trips the thing that I have found about that as most people actually don't don't have an upright posture or seating position. And that's where most people I think mess that up but that's just personal opinion We are at the end of the show though so if people want to find out more about your products or your products which I I recommend Where can they do that? You can find us at. They'll stir holsters dot com. Well also one of your show. Sponsors I at Big Tex outdoors outdoors has an inventory of our products as well. 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Mank with Director David Fincher and Aaron Sorkin (Ep. 286)

The Director's Cut

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Mank with Director David Fincher and Aaron Sorkin (Ep. 286)

"You know what i love about. Cinema is going into a big dark room with seven hundred people and through their laughter and through their surprise through their shock and through their reactions. You realize you know. I'm not alone. I i i have the same. I'm wired into this group in the same way. Just organically in. That's that is what makes the cinema. Hello and welcome back to the director's cut brought to you by the directors. Guild of america. Today's episode takes us behind the scenes of director david fincher new graphical comedy-drama mink in the film twenty-four-year-old prodigy orson welles hires herman jamie wits escaping social credit and alcoholic screenwriter to write the screenplay for his masterpiece citizen kane. In addition to make mr fischer's other directorial credits include the feature films. Seven panic room zodiac and gone girl and episodes of the television series house of cards and mind hunter. He was nominated for the. Dj's theatrical feature film award for the curious case of benjamin button the social network and the girl with the dragon tattoo. Mr ventures spoke with director. Aaron sorkin about filming mink in front of a virtual audience. Synon- for their spoiler film conversation. Well hello. I'm aaron sorkin and i'm here with my friend and one of the greatest filmmakers who has ever lived. David fincher i. You know him of course from alien three five seven Button social network little. I found memories of grow could to gabrielle and his latest film which is my favorite fell at the year. Mac david. I'm really glad talking to you. I'm glad to be back talking. We do we should Beginning to wonder if we should like try to take the local cable affiliates would. But i would want to include some musical numbers. Oh interesting we have very little time at Much too much to it really. If i wanted to ask you everything. I wanted to ask you about mac. We'd be her easter. But let's just start this talk about how the film came to be. It's been a long time in the make. It has It started with. They love four and citizen kane and It was certainly a film that was introduced me by my father who hailed it because he was an external to as the only important and relevant american masterpiece in cinema and i was serve bequeath this and saw the movie when i was probably twelve or thirteen years old and then later. Read the Now refuted and and dismembered appalling kale essay and when my father decided to retire from writing magazine stories Wanted a new task and he very much revered that era and those screenwriters specifically so i encouraged him to try to write about herman mankiewicz and he did and we kinda kicked the script back and forth for many many years and finally netflix said. What do you have that you would like to see. And and they said yesterday. When was that that was about two years ago. Two and a half years ago so it was it was. It was fairly quickly on the tayo of wrapping Season to a delivering season to mind by the way. I did not mention your television work. Which is extra. I've known you for ten years and it wasn't until that. I knew your father was a screenwriter. Way wasn't a magazine writer who has written a couple of screenplays but But he thought it was he in his explanation to me about two hierarchy clearly. What was what was what he was passionate about. He really felt that. I'm screenwriting was the most difficult Kind of Drama because again. You're leaving so much interpreter. Who's gonna take it from two dimensions and your and you don't really know the You don't really have a the audience for a motion. Picture is a very wide swath. It's a very it's you know so it's not some you can't really predict what the point to come in knowing or and how much you're going to have to give them a history lesson or whatever so to his mind. This was the people who really did like yourself huge always harping on me west. We got to watch this and and and end engleman and bogo goldman's all the governments and and He was he. He really felt that this was as a tool To tell the story or or as a medium to tell a story through he really felt that this you know that for the A writer this was a way of really accessing parts of the audiences mind. You know not to say that novels are not. That's a very intimate relationship. He he liked the scope and the scale of having people play dress up and pretend to be. These people have the ba- photographed and then you know juxtaposition of images and music and all these other things that could be brought to bear which i met him. He passed away seven years before i met you. Yeah i'm curious if you don't mind talking about it when you're up working on a script when it gets to the point where you're working with director now on. It's usually the last thing that happened for you. Go into production You you're my boss on the cellphone. Our what is the dynamic of being bossed when your father is the employees It's not easy. It was listening we. We had a very odd end. Collegial relationship we were very much about honesty about everything and You know my father had my father. alternated between having great confidence in my abilities. And not you know also be protective of my feelings in the downside and all that stuff so but but generally speaking were You know you know. He'd made no bones about the fact that he thought seven was kind of rubbish and Or at least he felt it. Was overtly nihilistic and and therefore you know limited in its later i have to ask you to wanna turn this. Father cited it can be therapy. How does your father say to you. i don't like seven. It's nine listening. When does that conversation how we started premier and he was. He was really disturbed and again. Remember my father was the one who told me about kluge. You know in who said you have to see this movie. What they what they do stylistically with this movie is really something and you know and i was not as a kid. I was not allowed to go see violent movies. So a movie with a poster that had in the poster. I think doesn't font she has the scissors and stuff. So that was you know my mom was very much. Like nunavut and yeah. I didn't see the godfather joe. The second release because people got shot and stabbed knives went through hands of things like that. So I never got to see chinatown in. It's virtually because of the violence in that but my father was very much like these are the not yet. You're only ten but eventually really when you see this movie. You have to see it. Because of the i think in the case of clute because it was it's complete you just had such a complete You know he was impressed by the world that In and gordon everybody off like created he was also so so for instance walking out of the premiere of seven. He's extremely upset. Here's an part of it was movies upsetting and and for a lot of people. That's a hard thing to divorce. Oneself commute the effective movie on you and your feeling about it but eventually he got two point where he said look. It's really effective. it's really affecting I'm uncomfortable with the the litany of violence that is visited on the people but he was also respectful effect. That it all happened off camera and so it was a give and take. But i. But i think but he said something about like you know. I hope this isn't a reflection of your upbringing. And i would say now. I mean except for the movies that i saw and then he really really dislike He thought it was a again the script and he said there's just nothing funny about this and then when he saw the movie he said it i i i he said i don't know why you making this and i said because i think it's funny. And then he was even more distraught and then he saw the movie and he really didn't like it and then a year or two later he was like okay. I get i understand. Now what you're doing Know at the same time that he was saying. I prefer not to make this entertain. He's like he could also take a step back and say early. Do which i met him. He's someone What do you want to do next. And you tell them this. Did you tell them at that. Time that jordan. Did you know at that time that you we're gonna make it in black and white. Oh you know. The reason that it languished for as long as it did was because nobody I mean you know this. There are the these long long lists of things in terms of your deliverables. Like you know you actually have to go and ask permission not to make something in five point one stereo Not heard of in this day and age. The delivery specs are color in a wide screen. Or you know flat one eight five or scope you and and you have to deliver it either subsequent one or five point one so when you say i wanna do it in black and white. I don't wanna do it. Mono all of a sudden somebody added the studio has to call down the chain to the people who are doing foreign pre sales in sell through video and they will say Can we can't. We can't touch this and the beauty of netflix's is one stop shopping. Yeah you mean. Turnoff were speakers. We can do that. Yeah so i agree that it is one of the many of these athletes The sound for second If it were me which wouldn't have been. Because i would never have gotten that far creatively but if it all i've been able to do is say i want it to sound like citizen kane sounded. I don't know how they made it sound like that. Are we able to make it sound like that. Okay and the fact that you know how to make it sound like that is where we did not chelsom. Initially we didn't end and and depending on who you talk to. They're like god. It sounds echoing or something. Bummbly worldly It originally started with conversations about the effect of the movie on the audience and and and one of the problems that i had had getting people to read. The script was the anachronistic The not chronister quality of the pets wall. You know that there were these you know there. There are means very strange. Thing to have john houseman. Walk into a room and go oath here. All the characters who must have met each other before they got the car and drove for our victory. But lemme now reintroduce the and and that was one of jack's things like they did this in the in the movies of this era not untoward to have characters you know. Oh you know what is it a good morning. Mister water commissioner. So in in an attempt to Kind of stylistically trap. This patois in amber One of the ideas. That i had was what if we presented it. Not as was just in black white. And it's just mon- what if it's in black white merlot and it literally looks like a relic likes like something that has been sitting at In a vault at ucla is now being sent to martin. Scorsese's house for you know for tuesday night doing and and in that speaking with Who's one of my oldest friends in the world and also the sound designer on the movie We started talking about you. Say you want it to sound. What is it that you mean. And i in these discussion. Began with ribbon microphones and or a recording. I mean should we record to wax disc live. what gives you that that palpable sense of of old movies. And i it's like an equalization question. The first thing that that we did was listened to old movies you know and not only kane but You know his go. Friday at you know shock corridor new and you put these movies afternoon. Listen to them. And the first thing that we were were cognisant of was. This diminished capacity for bandwidth thirds. Just not as much frequency response in these are very limited technologies so that was number one so then so ren at skywalker took old movies and started to map them and and what. The envelope was able to deliver in terms of fidelity on In certain spectral analysis. So you can look at it and say we're not getting anything in it's called it's not you take take the whole image just cleave off sections of it that this technology was not able to record and store and so in the in the finding out of sort of what the image was and what the cue would be. We came up with our own little plug in that we could end. We listened to it was like it's good but it's not quite there and finally in a conversation that we were having probably over a gaza line and dinner or whatever i said no it has to like a revival house has to sound like that you know sitting at the castro or sitting at the nada man's chinese not not a first run house but revival house. And what does that. And then we started to talk about well. You know in older theaters. There's there's not the flocked or the baffled or sound insulated fabric and padding. That you have on the walls at arclight or So we're saying okay so there's little bit that slap. There's a little bit that echo. There's a little bit reversed. Now we've talked about the Theatre which is a theater that we grew up with in marin county and sitting in the in the balcony there and that was like there would be. You would hear the. There's no surround sound this pre nineteen seventy six so as pre stereo preach around and but the but the sound came out of the single speaker and then it would reverberate in the room and then he just decided you know he's astros. Do we want to disappear on rectums without flashlight and try to try. Add this layer of a and indeed. We could not be dissuaded. It was it had to be so we've recorded the sound of the giant room and are mixed playing. I'm i'm grateful that did that last point you made it sound giant room in your mix late with it. You told me that you have after recording all the sound you then replay the sound in church and rick no not Scoring stage us cornstarch. So so what we did was we. We basically In a five point win setup alcyone are left center right which are the three main speakers that are behind the a screen the screener a and then you have surround channels to discrete surround channels on the subway for mansur total five zero three three two one so five So we tried to mix everything for the center speaker in an approved to be proved to be a nightmare because we're just so used to the bandwidth of being able to have ninety six channels. That are two hundred channels. However many i mean we had probably when they're mixing the music even even at a cove. Friendly with sending old microphones and recording devices to each individual musicians home for them to play their part when that when those tracks came back they could be hundred channels cross. I mean so. We're so used to being able to throw bandwidth just to it. But but your ears can't like you put that much sound pressure on that much data through one speaker it forces you to go in. You realize how. Why moves from thirties and forties are so sparse in terms of the sound because they only had one piece vermicelli to get that elephants through and so they stripped everything back in order for intelligibility as much as anything we ended up with. Eleanor left and right speakers. Were sound imaging so we spread that the center. We had all the dialogue an artifacts with a little bit of i for some car buys and things like that and then we took that mix into the scoring stage a lewisville at skywalker sound and we played that cr. Mix into this massive scoring stage and then we set up twelve microphones in the scoring stage. There were all sort of period. Rubini limited technology limited bandwidth and we recorded the sound of the whole place. And then we put that into the surrounds. One last thing about the sam Before we move into the rest of the fellow. I in addition to those technical choices that would make with the sound i was also knocked out by the fact that when someone would walk outside and have a conversation on the porch of the cabin sounded like they were in the cathedral outside. Doubt is that's that is just perfectly period. Well in your cathedral. I mean that is for me. The the altar cinema. You know what i love about. Cinema is going into a big dark room with seven hundred people and through their laughter and through their surprise to their shock and through their reactions. You realize you know. I'm not alone. I i have the same. I'm wired into this group in the same way just organically and i'm picking up on all these other cues in. That's that is what makes the cinema or you know a great grand theater. Almost cathedral life experience casting. Was it gary all the way. Yeah i we talked years ago. I'm before in nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety s. We had talked about kevin spacey at one point but at the moment in time that That netflix said we would we would like to make this It was gary. I mean it's just you know what it's like often. You don't dare to dream in this case. It was like for not. We're not aiming for that. Yeah i agree with you. and Lily out was kind of a no brainer. Well and it's funny because i tend to mean i know i know you know what this feels like. There are times when you just go out just to perfect right. It's just like and so so the race of the cons. Oh she's lovely she well. I don't know it's a little too Let's see on tape. And then she sent to this tape and it was just perfect. Casting doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. That's right and listen. I really do feel shame. Tell you the truth. That i was surprised. I was by a saif. Rds performance i-e-she. No i really should have no That she could do that. She's given fantastic performances as here. And i mean i think i think we all you know when your job is to sit and watch. Tv all day and go is this working is just not as she. You know when you're when you're presented with that as a life choice you know there. There's a tendency to Is a tendency to reduce everything that you that. You're you know watching. Just keep abreast of things or like you don't even when you get to these cut unreal of of an actors capable. You know the the reels of their agents sand out. Or or even what's available at ca website or whatever and there's a tendency to kind of have this like sense of. I knew what. I know what that is. I know i know and and amanda was somebody that i had seen her in eighteen in a couple of things and always thought she was stunning to look at and luminous and the question for me was which. You're going to work hard and wish you going to be curious about this woman because i i was never going to be able to you know. Don't my arm around her in the same. In in the way that i have with other actors in the past were heading towards a start date. And i did not have a personal relationship with amanda did not know her socially and and i was never concerned on. I was never concerned. She didn't have the chops. I was concerned. Mostly that we wouldn't get her focus and that her the end that we wouldn't have all of her attention because she was shooting and other movie and she would be walking out of that movie and literally like you know and some kids. I think she bounced back and forth. Maybe once or twice. Lilly did that throughout but but amanda so my big. My biggest question was is she. Is she gonna be she going to want to do Wanna do the number of takes issue gonna want to play in the act for somebody who likes to work in a very specific way. Which is i wanna have and you. You've witnessed dead so it doesn't seem as strange to you. I think as as when people's hundred takes it's not one hundred takes of everything but it's a. It's a process by which you you're sort of excavating What a person can do with this material at any given moment and and me there are certain and a lot of this will be. You know i mean you. And i went through this on on social workers like my initial thing was. I don't know disney kits. Like i know we have to cast young actors but no disney specifically sign. Yeah 'cause they got the kid from the crest toothpaste commercials. I don't want that can't right what we ended up with mostly disney kids. Because kim prepared there are so like ready to come and you know just timberlake could always use. Say austin coates me told a like it's like running back in his reps and and and brenda. I mean even like anyway. I had that kind of reservation. I had this preconceived idea of who amanda was and that she was much more short of the did would be hard to get all of her. It will hardly get into for vision. And then i had a skype with her and she was awesome. She's sort of she super curious. She's she's completely plastic in the way that she thinks about the jazz. No rigidity when it comes to her pre jazz no preconceived notion. She comes into everything he'd been on me. Tell me where does you think. Here's what i'm thinking and it's all it's all give and take and and when it got down to being on set and you could say okay now. I need you to take this. I need you to be thinking about this over in here. As opposed to the texts. May this way you may want a now. What i want you to do is find that by the end of this paragraph stuff and not find it. Nothing at the beginning b. illustrating find it as you talk and she's and ange more lovely or mental. Well it sure paid off on screen on your right when you say that. I've experienced the hundred takes though it wasn't one hundred. It was actually ninety. Nine takes nelly ninety nine takes over five or six setups over two nights over two nights. There's for setup was a lot first of all yes. It was ninety nine takes five setups and two nights. I don't know who else in the world gets to shooting days to shoot that scene a okay. If we were literally setting the tone for the movie and we named it was important scene. All four as a writer. What i liked about the number of takes that you did is just you know the the the right the writing. The same is true in mac. If you aren't able to casual is it. Somehow he can get operatic on bad fast and your name his also nice just tired them out it. Essentially the same effect of previews on broadway. Just casual is a keep doing it. You also didn't want them giving the performance. They were giving in the shower before they came to the set. I think the. I'm not averse to an actor saying okay. What do i think this is. Let me let me work it out. Now let me present to you. The uninitiated all of the thoughts. That i've been having this. I'm going to show it to you in a free-flowing version of this performance. Another verse to that. The reality of that is that There's this amplified tension underneath Which has to do with the relationship between pleasing and You know hoping that validation Has everything that i've been. You know applying in terms of what i think about this country is correct is above. You know you you get into this thing with With a lot of actors. When you say i can need another one. What'd i do wrong so he didn't do anything it didn't do anything but is somewhere in all of that is his. Is this sense of. Yeah i wanna do. I wanna do in. You know we've rehearsed it in in a conference room in around a table we haven't we haven't rehearsed it in a room. That has a guy a plaster casts on half of his body enough and this apparatus to like. Lift his leg and typewriters. All the stuff that has to happen in this. We haven't done that so we're putting on. Its feet the morning up. But we're going do the master. I gotta do you know. I gotta do the out of town previews i gotta do the off broadway. I gotta do the broad. And i've gotta get it gotta make it be the best that that that's exactly right. I'm doing a play. We have five weeks for hersal six weeks of previews and then we have opening night and with the play i have now. It's on hiatus during the pandemic like every other play jeff. Daniels was starting on email from him. One night after the show sayings a great show tonight. I really think we've got it now. And he sent me that email five months after we opened. You know this you have you have actor friends and you go to see them on show on broadway on the west end or whatever and you go back afterwards at some sort of 'cause they're always sweating tired and don't really wanna see you up to go dude. I was there. And i really loved it and they always say oh could been here. Tuesday am i don't want to be. I don't want anybody to point moving go. You should've seen in rehearsals week. And now i don't know what he did. I don't why i don't know why. Turn out like that more lies. One is the one that just you know. That's the way it fell off the truck. I was telling you before we We started that. I saw a video. I'm not sure if you've seen it or not. And i can't even remember how i signed it exactly in. This is the making of a like a visual making giants before hacks. Yeah thing of of how you did. Manque and i was amazed by. How much wasn't there when you were shooting kind of show. A picture of gary oldman in front of a burger king and then it turns into volleyball teams. It wasn't it wasn't by but look The world's changed since one thousand nine hundred and certainly Certainly since Since herman mankiewicz was was Patrolling the backlots at a at paramount. I tried to have as much in cameras as possible. Try to change as little as you know. Some kind i think for the most part it'd be twenty five percent of the frame maybe thirty percent of the frame try to have eighty seventy five eighty percent of it in in camera so that you can reference that in your but But yeah there was just so i mean so. Many vehicles you know can't run when there is a full credit for the. The burger king thing was full crowning missing work for what was in camp. And i'm someone. I only used. Cgi for crowd duplication at this up. But do you know have your is what it's going to look like after you've starting to make those decisions post mostly mostly. It's it's mostly with an idea of you. Know for instance Probably one of the shops that you saw was im- driving up in the car and he gets out of the car drunk and yet yes okay. Wasn't used as it was written is union station but union station. Nineteen thirty one had yet to be built thirty six so we were like well. We're we got because union station is beautiful deco. It's gonna be and then we found in the rat in the church that they would leave from glendale and there's a train station in glendale yet still the same same as it. Did that idea thirties. You i used to rent his own train to bring his friends up. Yes so there's like a three car train that you could take the regular one or he could take the her six hours. And so i said well show me pictures of the glendale train station This is also. I didn't even know it was here but buildings around. It are entirely problematic. You know there's an idea nurse. You know seven barnes and noble for someone's nose but they all had to be erased and we had to bring cured digital's into it and so turned over to Way who is The most amazing that painter. And i just said i'm just looking for something that's sort of period deco in the end. He came back with three amazing paintings. And you choose one. And then some poor person had to wrote a scope because we don't have loose green green green screen when you shoot black and white. Somebody had to go win and like the incredible shrinking man had to roadshow and all of these match for all these people's heads talk about that talk about the difficulty of of cgi of commerce operation. Shooting back will become such a there. There is a does sort of knee-jerk reaction to oh well outside the windows will just put some blue screen up and for the most part in a modern. You know grip truck. You'll find a couple of twenty by green screens a couple of twenty by blue screens. Will we made the decision in pre production that we weren't gonna shoot with a color sensor and have the ability to separate in terms of color because the dynamic range of the image from the black and white sensor were so profoundly beautiful compared to the two taking a color image and just e saturating all the color out of it. It's just it was. it was light. They were night and day so when once we'd made that decision meant all of the like every time that screen door opens in victorville the desert you see out. There is a black and white photograph. I resolution photograph of the desert. We shot it against wait. Basically just like this. We shot is like two stops over expose white and then we would make a key and then we would go in and put these blown out images of the desert out every window and out every time the door opens and even in the sort of a couple of we put it in the reflection of the doors. That glass panes isn't open. So it just means that that the process of that works becomes a much more hands on and and and specific artisan thing as opposed to. Yeah we just been the knob. Take the blue out. Put whatever you want there. You now have to really decide in terms of layers how you're going to You know kiss that into the into the white okay. I am about to run out of time. So i just want to go to a lightning rant trenton atticus. I'm pretty sure. I features score was the social network. It was okay. They won the oscar. They also kind of when they won that oscar. The kind of busted down wall in the composer's branch of the academy that never. I don't think give an oscar to a score like that. I had no idea when he told me it was gonna be nine inch nails scoring what that end up being like that of course was a amazing also scored don girl that i absolutely understood that was in their house. I never would have suspected that the score was also in their wheelhouse. Here's the thing about. I mean you know the side. I would rather go to people that i trust. Who are as hard on. Themselves as i am and say what do you think. Do you think you could do by the way if a trend or advocates This does not sound like you know. I would have said okay. Yeah no harm no foul. But i went to them and said okay. This is gonna sound weird. I don't know what i'm asking you to do. I don't know what i m before. I've always been able to give them you know with with social network. I said i want john hughes movie but but circa like right around the time of risky business and or so. I need you to embrace. You can embrace the tangerine dream of it. You can embrace the psychedelic furs of it. But i it has to be for my money. The soundtrack has to Has to remind us of technology. It has to remind us of a kind of automation. You know it has to be has to be the hold into the world of computers. You know we talked a lot about the you know. This is the sound of love. Dial up and think to work to have a tapestry of this and then on on gun girls. I said to them i was in getting an adjustment with a chiropractor and the music. That was this very strangely. Disembodied sort of it was kind of like a like a pat on the back. Like everything's gonna be okay kind of music. And i said tran i want you to give me. I'm gonna give me the music from Chiropractor that says everything's gonna be okay but underneath that you go. It's just definitely not going to be okay. I'm looking for placebo. Music is when. I said i wanted to sound like the kind of thing that you go into. By hammer horror virgin of a chiropractor and this music is playing. And it's basically there to sways you but you know that something terrible is coming and you said we now on this i said i don't know it's i don't know if it's hard herman i don't know if it's Look you've gotta do. Merry christmas mr lawrence. I don't know if it should be. I don't know if it should be giants afire You tell me. And so they played around and they came back with about thirty forty minutes with music. And i just listened to everything and oh this sounds like it goes here. Sounds like it goes. This sounds like we laid. It are luckily showed it back. Tna and they were like this we have an issue with this. We totally understand. That's where the conversation started okay I hope you'll mind if i ask you. Which next oath. i am. I'm playing with adapting a french graphic novel about an assassin And i am playing with robert town. And i are trying to break A limited series on. It's sort of people to chinatown jake. His time in chinatown with hung with lou escobar. And i'm working on a show about film appreciation and about movies that i love and and with sas asylum about movies it they love it. I'm one hundred percent. Sure that That they're going to be amazing. Horror to robert towns stories. David dude his so much fun. No i know. I know up. Thanksgiving is a masterpiece. 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A Letter To Three Wives (1949) w/ special guest Sydney Stern

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A Letter To Three Wives (1949) w/ special guest Sydney Stern

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This week is a letter to three wives, which was directed by Joseph Megawatts and was released in nineteen, forty, nine, a letter to three wives stars Jeanne, crain Linda Darnell, and southern, as well as Kirk Douglas, Paul Douglas and Jeffrey Lynn just as they are about to take a group of children on a riverboat ride and Picnic Debra Bishop read a Phillips and Laura Mae Hollings, way. receive a message from Addie Ross informing them that she has run off with one of their husbands. However, she leaves them in suspense, as to which one all three marriages are shown in flashback to have their strains. Deborah grew up on a farm, her first experience with the outside world coming when. When she joined the navy during World War, two where she met her future husband Upper Class Brad when they return to civilian life. Deborah is ill at ease at breads social circle adding to her insecurity. She learns that everyone expected Brad to marry Addie Ross. Whom all three husbands consider practically a goddess. However, she is comforted by Brad's friend. Rita, a career woman who writes stories for sappy read. Soap operas her husband George. A schoolteacher feels somewhat emasculated since she earns much more money, but refuses to leave his teaching job, which he thinks is important. Despite the low pay, he is also disappointed that his wife constantly gives in to the demands of her boss Mrs Manley Rita's flashback recalls. That she gave Mrs Manly, she forgot that her husband's birthday was that night and only remembered when a birthday present. A rare brahms recording arrived from Addie Ross Laura may grew up poor, not just on the wrong side of the tracks, but literally next to the railroad tracks. She sets her sights on her older divorced employer porter, the wealthy owner of the statewide chain of department stores her mother. Ruby, Finney is unsure what? What to think of her daughter's ambition, but Ruby's friend and the Phillips Servant sadie approves. Matters come to a headwind Laura may sees a picture of Ross on the piano importers home. She tells him she wants her picture on a piano, her own picture in her own home. When porter refuses to marry her Laura may break off their romance. However, he loves her too much and finally gives in and proposes albeit UNROMANTIC. Skipping New Year's Eve party at his house to do so when the women returned home from their picnic read, it is overjoyed to find her husband at home. They work on their issues. And she promises not to let herself be pushed around by Mrs. Manley Porter is late coming home causing Laura May to think that he has gone off with Addie the ruby insists that porter loves her and would never leave her. When porter suddenly arrives, and here's about his wife suspicions, he accuses her of being happy at the thought of having grounds to divorce him and receive a large monetary settlement. Deborah's Houseman gives. Gives her a message? Stating Brad will not be coming home that night. A heartbroken deborah goes alone to the local club with the other two couples when porter complains about his wife dancing with another man. Debra tells him that he has no idea how much Laura really loves him. But Porter is certain that lower may only sees him as a cash register unable to take it anymore. Deborah gets up to leave. Announcing that Brad has run off with Addie. Porter stops her confessing that it was he who started to run away with Addie, but then explains that a man can change his mind, can't he? Poured then tells Laura May that with his admission in front of witnesses, she can divorce him and get what she wants to shock lower may claims that she did not hear a word of what he said finally convinced. Her love porter asks her to dance. A letter to three wives had a box office hall of two point seven five million dollars adjusted for inflation. That's a box office of just under thirty million dollars. A letter to three wives was nominated for three Academy Awards winning two. It was nominated for best picture, and it won the awards for best adapted screenplay for Joseph Banquets and best director for Joseph Megawatts. Now are you penetrated and saturated because it's time for our feature presentation? In case, you didn't already know. Classic movie must is supported by listeners like you on Patriae on and your support, their makes such a huge difference for the future of the show not only that I. 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Slash classic movie must thank you so much for your support, and now onto our guest John us for today's feature presentation is Sydney Stern author of the book. The brothers Mako wits hope heartbreak and Hollywood classics Sydney Welcome to the show. Thank you. It's great to be here. Well. It certainly great to have you your book I think. Is required reading for our audience and classic film fans, so we're We're thrilled to have you here. We're thrilled to be talking about a letter to three wives. I'm curious, but before we kind of dive in or as a way to dive in what got you? So interested in the brothers wits to drive you to write this fantastic book. Thank you, thank you for those kind words. I've never been required reading for anything so I like that description. I started with Herman Markowitz, not the letter to three wives, Joe, but Herman the older brother I thought when he went to Hollywood in the nineteen twenties, and then stayed for the rest of his life, and hated being a screenwriter, and hated Hollywood that and drank himself to death that made him the quintessential Hollywood screenwriter of the Golden Age of the studio system. And then when I learned more, she's me. When I learn more about Herman that led me to Joe and I thought I think the two together would be more interesting than one or the other, and by the way that was not true about Herman it Wa- It wasn't that simple. Yeah, it rarely ever is but. What I find so compelling about your book and why I think it's why do view it as as required reading so to speak, obviously, these are two such kind of tighten titanic names of the industry and her. We've talked about citizen Kane, which he wrote and Joseph. We've talked about several of his movies on the show as well but not just that it's you walk this excellent tightrope between exploring these men as individuals, their place in the industry, and that leads to such wonderful tales of what the industry was as a whole. I think it's kind of this great window into classic Hollywood. It's why I think it's so much fun to read. and. I think why why listeners of the show would enjoy it so much as well so. Kudos to you on an excellent book. Well, thank you. It was hard to stop. There are so many good stories I. Even put some back in the notes I always said. If you get the print edition, please go back and if there's a big paragraph, it's another good anecdote that I. Put tiny type at the end to add things in yeah I can imagine that it's hard to decide what what finally makes the cod otherwise your book and ends up being thousands of pages. Right. So today we're GONNA. Be Talking about a letter to three wives, and I think in many ways, one of our earliest episodes here on classic movie was all about Eve and I think this movie pairs so well. Obviously, they were sequential in Joseph may quits filmography, but I was hoping you could kind of set the stage for our listeners about where a letter to three wives fits in his filmography and kind of the rise of his profile. As a Hollywood director and writer just kind of yes at the stage for us. Ok? Well first of all. Yes, to start with a flashback, which is very Joe Mankiewicz and Herman Mankiewicz kind of way. It put him on the map. This is really the movie that he wrote and directed and got a lot of recognition for, and he was forty when it came out while so, but he had come out to Hollywood at nineteen. He was a college. He'd gone to Columbia. He was A. A boy wonder he came out and was writing I titles and then dialogue, and then screenplays as sound came in, and when he became a screenwriter, he tried to become a director because he really always considered himself a writer that was his number, one love and he tried to get Louis the mayor when he was at mgm to let him direct to control how he envisioned his screen place, because they didn't go up on the screen at all as he had envisioned and mayor said. made him a producer instead which he hated and he said you learn. You need to learn to crawl before you can walk. Which Joe used to say was the best description of producer he'd ever heard. And he hated it, and so eventually he got pushed out of MGM and went to Twentieth Century Fox, and he got a really good contract there that would enable him to write produce direct whatever he wanted in combination, so he started he I co, wrote a key to the kingdom that not only Johnson had already written, and did not direct that one, and then he was sort of thrown into directing dragon wick, which Ernst Lubitsch was supposed to direct, and then he said about learning town a direct with another three movies that he had not written, so this was the first movie that he really wrote and directed by himself, and it was a home run. Yeah I. Love The I think you have in your book. There's a that he was fully excited, and expecting for the credit of written and directed by, and he had to settle for a little bit of a caveat screenplay and directed by, but he was certainly on his well on his way right I actually went back and made sure there was a card with Vera Cash Bari. WHO ADAPTED IT It's was a a letter to five wives, a cosmopolitan story by John, clump, ner, and then Clinton, or made it into a novel and I read all. All of those, and they were mediocre, those two Vera cast, or I did a really wonderful treatment, an adaptation and there are element. Now this now it's down to a letter to four wives. They shed one marriage, and it was there elements that are in the movie, but when Joe took it, he wrote a screenplay for a letter to four wives. It's four marriages and it's got all kinds of elements that weren't there. They're very individual marriages. They're very individual characters. There's a lot of humor. There are a lot of his themes, and so then it becomes. The a masterpiece that I think it is I. Just love it. Yeah, it's it really is so captivating to watch I would say. And there's so many there's so many aspects to talk about and I guess as we dive in. Maybe you can shed some light on this and make where justice awaits his outlook on movies, but I mean you're really at this kind of transitional point in Hollywood where you're starting to see these kind of film. Obviously you know. The world has opened up a little bit since World War. Two European films are starting to be exposed I. mean this is a film. That's really kind of. Starts to get the ball rolling on what we consider more of. An Art Film and Art House film a little bit. You know aimed at a more sophisticated audience. And you see all of that I mean obviously just in Joseph's. Writing Style and all of it, but can you speak to like? Was that part of his outlook? was that something in his awareness? I did not see writings about European films, but he was very literate and his I mean what the heartbreak part of the title is that he and Herman both urine to be playwrights, they theatre had respect as an art form. Movies were looked down on which is hard to remember in these days when everybody wants to write for the movies within those states. They felt they were slumming and I think that his movies often. Mostly could be place. I mean they're the. They're rich dialogue. Their plots are built around character. All those elements are there, and that's what was important to. He's criticized for his camerawork work. That doesn't bother me because I like the plots and characters. In the movies don't look bad either. Let's let's be honest. They don't look bad. So. Would you say that that? He put a good deal of himself into Kirk Douglas's character when he's writing? That tirade against? Radio advertisements and soap operas well. He put a lot of his opinions in the whole piece, but yes, that was the first movie where he had almost a formal mouthpiece, and it was sort of his father that he was channeling cassava was an educator, and wanted both Joe and hermit become teachers to him. That was the highest vocation a person could have, and they both felt their whole lives that they had disappointed him by doing what they did, but I'll. Interestingly I went back and read Barracas Bar treatment, and she has some of that material about advertising in there, but the emphasis on educators is Joe's, and that was very much his. Beliefs or at least his father's beliefs interesting. So I'm very intrigued by your kind of classification of this film as a masterpiece and I think there's going to be a lot to unpack in that regard one of the things that certainly. Peaked my interest so much is i. mean just how directly and how? Progressively, this film is dealing with. Post War American life relationships. Social Politics Sexual politics. All of these things in a film in nineteen forty nine am obviously. This film gets away with a lot I. think we'll probably about that. But I mean. This film is so in every one of its three storylines or three flashback vignettes. Really has it's. It's finger on the pulse to me of how relationships are changing in American Life at that time. What do you think well? It's very interesting. Because one of the big aspects is Joe's treatment of women in the in the three women, the three wives, and he loved he he he would never use the word oppressed, but he understood what women were trying to negotiate that it was assumed a woman's place was in the home, etcetera etcetera, and that was particularly true post war after the women have been you know Rosie the riveter working in the factories. Movies or many of the movies are sending the message Oh. You really don't want that job that belongs to a man. Go back and work at home in be a housewife, and so in that way, the portrait of the end southern Character Rita Phipps unusually sympathetic for a woman with the job outside the home and I mean. Living in the reality we do in twenty twenty. Where like work, life balance is such a topic of conversation and a real struggle I mean she's dealing with that in as much away as we are dealing with it now in in two thousand, twenty and women are dealing with every day. I mean it's it's quite it doesn't. It doesn't paint with a broad stroke in that regard it really. Gives a very a very poignant view of that struggle. Yes, I mean it I was watching another movie. The Doris Day movie and at the end I. Kept Thinking. Don't tell her. Don't have give up the job. She loves that job and ended with the message yes. Oh, I just. WanNa be Mrs Doctor I'll give up this job and it was a great job. And at the end I, mean the end right you know you could say. Depending which way you read it, but read at the end of this film. Yes, she's able to push back, but it's not like she's like I'm quitting and I'm going to I. Really need to be at home. Yes, she's maybe taking a little bit more of. The domestic responsibilities then we're implied earlier, but she's really advocating for herself to say you know I. Don't work on the weekends I I need to have a family as well, but I'm still going to keep working hard and she's still going to out. Earn her husband. It's not like she's abandoning that either. No totally that's what I loved about it. She did she she needed a little more work. Life Balance. You needed to be able to push back. And we see and on the flip side of that. I think with the with the Deborah business character. We! I think so much struggle of of you know clearly. It's never stated outright what her responsibilities were in the navy, but clearly she had some serious responsibilities, and she has kind of had to give those up. And you feel especially in those in her flashback sequence early on that she doesn't she still struggling to find that identity stripped of some of those responsibilities well I thought that segment it was funny, because as I went back and looked at some of the earlier material. Joe's the one who added class to that. Really and that I mean that was one of his interests class and there's debra who's a farm girl, and much is made of her doughty nece etc, and in the earlier version she was a Vassar Grad and hope not homely, but they kept making the point she was playing, and Brad was very handsome, so it was more about looks and Joe Sort of transformed into. Yes, she looked. Looked diff- she looked great in her uniform, but I think it was class. I mean all three segments have an element of class. It's very interesting, but that one is almost a traditional. I suppose you absolutely I agree with you I mean class is so much a part of it, and they are at the sort of at the high end that kind of money side of it, but she is not part of it. The Third Story Line of course, Laura, may and porter. The first time I saw this film. You know he's you kind of start to it begins, and you say Oh, well, maybe this. This third of the film is more the comedic relief or a little bit. You know it's going to be the comedy, and then you realize. Yes, it is where a lot of the comedy is is in this film, but it's perhaps maybe the most poignant of all the three stories and and vary. Does not, shy away from some interesting truth about relationships and. Social and sexual politics. Yes I agree I think it is both poignant, pointed and I Paul Douglas this was his first movie and I think he's just wonderful. Absolutely so claw Tish, and offensive and so vulnerable at the same time I just love his acting in that you're. You're absolutely right I, mean the scenes. As you say. As she calls him a gorilla you eat totally is, but but you're absolutely right. He conveys so much emotion. I mean those scenes in his. In his living room in your book, you have a great line of. He's got all these bookshelves, but no books. and. He does he conveys as the best actors do so much in his silences and his looks. Really he saves that performance for that section of the flashback because he's just this kind of. Gruff and offensive man in the in the other segments, but when we get to his segment, you really start to unpack these characters. And it's hard to. It's hard to know exactly where to wear how to feel about them. As a as a couple. Obviously, the film ends on a fairly happy note, but it's It's not as it's not all quite as simple as that either right and I think that was in the acting that they managed to make it not so cut and dried. Well I guess it was in the writing to. The whole thing I mean, absolutely, it's it's a complete package. So for you, this is. A masterpiece that comes fairly early in Jamaica quits his career. What else particularly speaks to you about this film and kind of the nuances that he layers in? Well some of the elements that are there that are typical joe are. The flashbacks he loved flashbacks and that has it. The threes. He loved threes I. Mean All about Eve has three. Narrators Greek women? He was sort of like fairy tale number three issues of class that mouthpiece character. Great Parts for women his. I think the men are more interesting in this movie than they are in all about eve. ACTUALLY INTERESTING WHY YEAH! H. One is more more individualized as the marriage is SR three homes. I mean it's fun to see. Not only are porters shelves empty, but you see all kinds of things in each of their houses, the each their interior ship tells a lot about each of the marriages and the people, and then of course we get Laura as house says the kind of. Contrast to three. What on the train passing by almost feel? It almost feels like a cliche. How well executed it is, but I mean his ability to just hold that scene of. Her mother pouring the beer. And then of course again I mean it's it's says all it needs to say in that kind of prolonged train passing by it's. Good stuff right? Shake shake scene. Gene Gene Kelly wrote Joel Fan letter over that movie and they called it. The shake shakes. I like that. I agree with you about how I guess richly. Layered the men are Brad, maybe the the least but Kirk Douglas is so compelling in his role. I mean obviously he's tremendous actor, but again it's not exactly the main character. He conveys so much I. Guess as your point. Joe, writing in his father into that role, you can feel how absolutely fleshed out detailed. The man is in his convictions in his viewpoints, but also his. His his charm, his softness is I mean he really has kind of all dimensions. Yes, again I thought he did a really good job acting and in some of Joe's movies actors couldn't handle that much dialogue. mean the those diatribes are fast dents lines, and he does a great job with them I think that he later went onto this career. A different kinds of characters are. So the since early intellectual actor period I. Guess I guess. As you say if Joe had kind of put on the pedestal, the theatrical theatrical writing the theater as as the ultimate form of the art. You know he yes, his sometimes criticized for his camerawork, but he knows how to shoot a diatribe. He knows how to position his actors and let them shine. In such a way that you can't take your eyes off of them right right? I love that I think dinner party even though you can't look away from the Porter Laura may marriage. I loved the Dinner Party. Just makes me laugh every time I do think the dinner party sequences like the best sequence of action of characters all interacting. And then you find to me the the. Port the Laura may importer so engaging of just two characters playing off of each other and their whole sequence. I mean it's it's quite. It's quite fascinating to watch, and you have some sections on your book. I guess. Maybe we should tell the audience a little bit about how much this film got away with. It I. Don't think it surprises anyone when we have these kind of seduction sequences, importers car. But how I mean obviously, the the production code is not as strong as it used to be. But what was that process like of getting these? Fairly explicit scenes into the film. Well I think joe use to litter his scripts with a bit of low hanging fruit that the sensor would take out to try to slip the other winds in i. mean that other sequence in at the dinner party I. Just found it where I quoted my book. You want me to read it. The the the part about the biologist, Stanley the radio boss is talking about the power of radio, and there there's talking about how it will influence their made sadie which we haven't mentioned, but the Wonderful Thelma Ritter is just uncomfortable. Yes, exactly, right? Practicing for her role in in all about eve, really getting ready, but he's so wonderful in this film, Yes. All she had done with that little piece in miracle on thirty. Fourth Street I think that was her only movie work although she'd been a stage actress before. Yeah, I mean you can't take your eyes off her when she's onscreen. I agree, but the line that that I was mentioning is. When. Mrs Manley says she's talking about how important radio isn't she says Sadie may not realize it, but whether or not she thinks she's listening. She's being penetrated in George the Kirk Douglas character goes. It's a good thing. She didn't hear you say that. And Mrs Manley says after penetration comes saturation. And when she saturated, she'll find yourself recommending products to our employees, and then Laura just makes me and Laura. Mesa's not Sadie I've seen her when she was saturated to the is. So it's just such a great line I, it's it's a wonderful. The seduction scenes. There's one where porter get so flummoxed. He lights a cigarette with his cigarette lighter from the car, and then shakes it like a math and throws it out and I think i. read somewhere that Judy Garland said she saw that happen. Maybe Joe took it from a Judy Garland story. Either way it's a fantastic detail. No. Question about it. But So I mean yeah, in terms of obviously these more sexual elements the film is. Quite quite onto something and then, but on the other side as you say I mean the the film has quite the statement to say about the evolving nature of. Consumerism and media and the intersection between the two in a way that we do not see in most films still in the nineteen forties. It's quite something I mean. Really this film were were made maybe just a few years later. The the whole segment would perhaps be more about TV than about radio, but either way such a spot on reading in terms of kind of the culture of mass media and consumerism that was developing in the United States at the time. Yes it plays completely wealth for television and Joe like to point out that when a letter to three wives was shown on TV, and they made cuts to make time for commercials that was usually cut. Maybe always no, but this sponsors did not want that on their show. That's. Not Surprising I guess. So. How did this transform Joe's career I mean it came out. It was extremely well received. Obviously when he wins to fantastic academy awards to go with it, take us through this film and how it sets him on a trajectory for for the rest of his career or the next phase of his career I guess. Well first of all, he also went the screen directors guild started an award, and he won the first screen directors guild for that, and it was also nominated for best picture, which is unusual for a comedy. You know they don't usually they're they don't get no respect, so you know it was A. Good thing all around, and yes, he was the man of the hour and he was. Interviewed a lot. He was pontiff ticketing as a social critic a lot. He got quite full of himself and he. Then went on to win. The Academy Awards for writing and directing the following year for all about e, which also it was nominated for Fourteen Academy Awards an unbeaten, but matched a couple of times out record, titanic and La La Land and This at that point nineteen fifty, so he was, he was what forty one he lived to about eighty three in the one of the poignant things to me about writing a biography of living person. As you see the whole story, you see how it is you see the arc and this is really the peak of his career. He not only in terms of. Of well one could argue about what was his best work, but not only in terms of personal, a public adulation, etc, but also in what he wrote and directed I like his films that he did with twentieth. Century, Fox the Best I love five fingers aspire story. Um with James Mason. It's sort of a true. True Life One. I like not everybody does people will talk is very talky, cary grant. I loved the ghost and Mrs Muir even though he hadn't written that, but that was leading up to this, but. When he was at twentieth. Century Fox ZANUCK was a ruthless editor and he. Kept Joe's movies usually down to a reasonable length, although all about eve is two hours, that's very long for those days I think most of those movies well under two hours in those days, and then he left as the studio system was falling apart, which was happening, even in one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, eight, when the supreme. Court decisions severed theaters from studio so the the Studios never no longer had an assured place. Their movies and the theatres didn't have a constant stream of of Films the studio system started falling apart and Joe like some others left and went out on his own in nineteen fifty one. And correct me if I'm wrong, but he went, he started his own production company and kind of allied with United Artists at that point in his career is that? Is that correct with? That came a couple of years later. I he did Julius Caesar. Back he I had a three three film contract with metro-goldwyn-mayer and he was going to. Write. I don't know whether he was going to produce, but right and direct movies, and he did he and John Houseman did sort of I wouldn't call it rewrite, but they condensed. Julius Caesar from Shakespeare Enjo- did not take any writing credit for that. He said he didn't want to be on the same card with Shakespeare. That and then I think the next one was guys and dolls, of course. With Goldwyn Samuel Goldwyn. Back in my book, a ride order but he did form his own company called Figaro because it was supposed to be like the barber of Seville. It did a little of a lot of things yeah. See. Oh. Yeah, all right. I'm getting a little out of order because he did do barefoot Contessa, which was supposed to be. The Hollywood version of all about eve being about theater, but it's I think it's inferior, although a lot of people just love it. Yeah Yeah I would. I would lean in favor of all about eve but. Would you say I mean? I can't even imagine the success in Hollywood of winning back to back best writer best director you said it went a little bit maybe to his head. A little bit comes a little bit of the kind of social pontificate or of Hollywood. Do you think he needed a little bit of that kind of check in the balanced to him that is that why you know you think his his his twentieth century, Fox work, maybe a little bit superior. Is that he? S His stature grew. He had a little bit more freedom and with that freedom, perhaps a little bit too much. That's what I think I mean in fact, Alex mce wits. His daughter points out that she thinks people will talk is to talk because he was so powerful at that point, even though he was still at Twentieth Century Fox. They let him leave a lot of. In unusually, sonic made him cut more than he cut in that I mean one of the memos. Xanax says something like you've got to many words. They're all wonderful words, but there's too many of them, and you've got to give the actors time to act. have talking all the time. Until the audience what you're telling them, you know it was felt that his scripts a little too explanatory well I mean just what we're talking about of a letter to two three wives that I mean especially in Puerta. Character I mean so much is said in those lulls of conversation. And that is where you absolutely pull on the ability of your of your excellent actors. It is a little bit of a give and take you do need those silences as well to really convey, appoint sometimes, and I think a letter to three wives. Does that so well? I have a question for you, and this might be completely off base because it's. It doesn't fall into this category. What whatsoever but I remember the first time I watched a letter to three wives, and it began with a voiceover, telling US kind of setting the stage and I said to myself I'm like this is what a like a female driven film the war the nineteen forties would be like with this kind of I mean we have the voice over? We have these flashbacks. We have the death of a marriage somewhere to be discovered. Obviously, the film is not. At all I'm not trying to say that, but I find there to be some. Interesting. Parallels and I was I was just curious. If you see any of that in there, a little bit of a little bit of a sprinkling of it in the beginning, because it always kind of makes me smile, there's almost this domestic noir story being told well, that's interesting because I mean he did a couple of. More. That's grammatically correct. somewhere in the night is very noir. Have you seen that? Yeah, no, that's a good point. I hadn't I hadn't thought about it, but you're right. And also house of strangers wherever G. Robinson is this Bank owner of course. Is, it's very Shakespearean, but it's also very dark, and so he did, and of course no way out. That's his. Most serious in except for Cleopatra, I would say most untypical movie in it. I think that's Oh I forgot that as one of his masterpieces at at Twentieth Century Fox. It really holds up I. Don't know if you've seen it, but I admire during much. Yeah, no, it does it. It's a good point. Think about the points that you're talking. About are these kind of ingredients that really speak to his films. When you have you say flashbacks these. The voice overs. Interestingly woven female characters. There are so many parallels that I think. Maybe it's just even if they walk parallel to each other that that we read it maybe a little bit more through that from from kind of a historical looking backwards view I don't think necessarily is entirely. Purposefully woven in there but I just I find. It has like kind of an interesting thought. Experiment that there's like these interesting connections to that larger world of of. Storytelling as well. Well. He loved flashbacks specifically because he said it shows the importance of the past on the present. You know here we are, and this is how we got here. Yeah, absolutely and I mean this film. Does it so well I mean in such a way that you could only do it at the time right that. These women are stuck on the boat all day, and they have no way of getting in contact with their husbands I mean it's such A. It's only in nineteen forty nine. That's right. That's the dated when they look. At the phone booth and you know that that wouldn't work with cell phones unless there were a total dead, no power not, but it's I. Mean it's so it's so we get it immediately, and we accept it for what it is and it is. kind of a great little. Except we just accept it makes for a compelling and I love I just love. And there are the three leading ladies who we've maybe a little bit less about their performances, but they're also I. think so real in their characters. And I especially read up. She becomes I. Think Incredibly Likable over the course of the film at the way. She just kind of needles at her to. Quote Unquote friends kind of planting the seeds of doubt whenever she can. I mean I think there's a lot to be said in in these three, these three leading ladies, and they're kind of their performances. They each brings such a different energy. But there there magnetic to watch? What was interesting? 'cause Jane Crane was very much, not a favorite of Joe's, and he thought to not have her be eve, and all about eve exotic wanted her, and the public lighter and I actually think she's find in this role. The actor Jeffrey Lynn. Who Played Brad Joe called a leaner. said he leaned on others or his performance, and maybe if he had a little more dynamism, maybe they're segment would be a little livelier, but I I find her convincing and sympathetic totally I totally agree with you. I I agree that maybe Brad's weak link but I think she's great Yeah and the Celeste home got this. Oh my Gosh! Such a caddy voice I mean you just love? She was a wonderful actress I. think that's part of it too, is that it's like it's such a kind of. Talboys the he comes in with right at the beginning I mean it's exceptionally well done i. think might correct in saying that they did kind of contests back then because she wasn't credited with her voice, and so that or in the build up to so people trying to figure out who did the voice of Addie. Ross is that. You might be right I. Don't remember that. Remember seeing that, but what happened. I don't I guess she had been under contract, and she really didn't get along with sonic, and she had bought out her contract, and then they brought her back in for all about Eve, but he did not like her, and she did not like him, but she has such a range from. Eight oh any on Broadway, where she could sing and be eight Oh. Anne and to Karen and all about eve in this really bitchy. You know narrator in this movie, totally and I. You know it's it's you expect it at the same time, but I respect his ability to not ever show us. I mean it builds up such an aura around the character, especially because she is in several of the scenes and he just. It's like Rosemary's baby where you know the people are just off offscreen enough that you. You're tilting tilting in your seat, trying to catch a glimpse. Or let alone the picture on the piano. These characters stare at. I mean we want to see her so badly and? His ability to hide that from us is. The thread that you just want to pull that over the course of the film. The picture on the Piano Joe Linda. Had such bad experience with auto perimeter that Joe put his picture in that silver frame on the piano so that her expression would be horror when she looked at auto perimeter when it was supposed to be adding Ross I. Love Stories like that where directors just knowing the little ways to kind of manipulate their actors into getting just a little bit extra out of a performance at those kind of details always crack me up at such a good one. My question to you. Is it just I guess perhaps based on the success of all about eve. That I think this film as you say is so well done, but i. don't think it. It gets the same recognition. Looking backwards, not that obviously we don't celebrate it where here we are talking about it. and. There's so much to say, but. Is it just because he went on to kind outdo himself so to speak in his very next film, but I. Don't think this film is. Viewed in the same regard in his filmography I was wondering if you could speak to that. Yeah I. Don't know the answer to that. Because when I am do informal polls either people oh. Yes, I, love it I. Watch it every time. I can't or people have never heard of it. They're more prominently. Have heard of Cleopatra of course and Julius Caesar just because it's something that has had legs, and then just the odd ones. He is not really identified I. Guess with that many Super well-known films and all about Eve. His head such a trajectory. In so many ways and and being remade applause, a Broadway show recently, this west end production CETERA. To me all about eve is like the importance of being earnest except with heart it's it's got that many good lines, but if you watch this one, it has a lot of good lines to is. It does absolutely and the just the general structure of this film I think makes it so engaging to watch the way you kind of. move from storyline flashback to flashback the tripartite structure of it I think it makes it incredibly. Entertaining as well as you know some great lines, obviously some really wonderful performance I don't think there's really kind of a week a week spot when it comes to this film. Is there any other little secret of it that you think listeners should. This film should kind of particularly watch out for. Some of my favorite one of one of the things I find myself imitating lines. One of them is you've you know? In the the educator, the Kirk Douglas, character is also pedantic. Let's face it. He's very endearing, and so at one point, someone says. You feel badly and he goes. You feel bad and it goes WACO's fingers. This is feeling badly. I always wanted to do that when all the time. That's that is. Like only Kirk. Douglas could pull that off because he pulls it off. Sober vertically with that gesture time I saw it I absolutely agree I absolutely busted out laughing to me I mean the. She's an underrated part of the film. I think but I mean Thelma Ritter's character. I find the humor surrounding her so funny in the bill that was specifically the humor of them kind of put on these airs for this. Dinner Party and when she. When she comes out from behind the screen and she says I told you. The screen was a bad idea and. soups on after. She? And, then I do love it because Thelma is then Lara as mother's best friend, so they have these very hilarious exchanges, pretending to be high toned and. Rosta craddock at their. Own Expense. Sort of shantytown, and what else you one other thing? I recently read this somewhere, and I had never thought about it, but someone was talking about the times when the train goes by and everything shakes, and they have to stop and wait till the past first of all. That's from Joe's actual experience. When they lived in New York, they didn't have a lot of money and they moved around a lot, and at some point they did live right by a probably l., an elevated subway that would bang along, and they'd have to stop, but I read something recently i. don't even know where I saw. This is the suburbs trains don't do that in the suburbs. You know this is not an inner city apartment, so it was kind of okay. I guess it's not exactly accurate, but no one really questions. No, that's a good point. That's a very. We don't question to me. Never occurred to me either, but that's a fair point, but again speaking to you what you just said. Just in his Joe's ability to kind, of Dole, out details, and you know trust in the in the viewer to kind of follow along I, love that we have that interaction that very brief interaction between Sadie and Laura May at that dinner party before we know anything about Laurey and she says I'm GonNa tell your mother. I'm going to tell me about this and she's like I could tell your mother a few things about you, too, and say oh I guess they know each other, or is it just from a lot of dinner parties or whatever and you know it would have fine to leave it at that, but we do then to go and see that world after the fact and we. Retroactively gives us so much more context for their interactions at that dinner party I think. Had it been in reverse order? It would have been. The more certainly more linear progression. But less interesting to do it that way at the same time. Exactly when? Porter comes to call for. For Laura May the first time, and she says, would you get the door? Sadie and she and Sadie her who is playing cards with their mother says my union doesn't allow me to do this ordinarily or something like that. Then she goes, and does it just to be Cillian and. Pretentious! Yeah, exactly and just after she leaves for the night for the for her date, and they enter the impersonate her. Mother's great life I actually had a doctor a daughter like that I would cut her tongue out. Its. Mother right exactly. Thank you well. Joe Took great pride and explicitly said that he could write dialogue for all different kinds of people and. A sadie. For, example, he was talking about all about eve at the time. That Birdie. Margot's made was a former Vaudevillian and so the jokes that she cracked were Vaudeville like jokes as opposed to Karen. The Radcliffe Cliff graduate, whose syntax was very sophisticated center. So you see that in these three episodes to how they speak and. The choice of words very. Very conscious it's hard. It's one thing to want to tell a story that deals with. So much about class divisions and tensions and things like that and the budding of different classes where they you know how they interact, but if you can't. Convey in authentic way it does not work, so it is very much having something interesting to say and knowing how to say it, though where you actually hit a home run and he did. And all of this here we've been talking and we haven't. Obviously. It's not relevant to this conversation, but there's a whole other half a yearbook which is Herman Markowitz and his. Story as rich as you say is never as simple or easy to tell as one might assume. which is all the more reason that listeners should absolutely again go and buy this book. The brothers Mankiewicz hope heartbreak and Hollywood classics, and there's there's a lot more of these maker wits classics to choose from Sydney, so you're welcome back anytime anytime. You want to break open another Mako. It's classic. We'd love to have you. Oh I would love that. This is really fun. They're fun to listen to. If I can give you a plug, and it spent part of it, thank you, absolutely. I appreciate it. I, I'm glad you've been enjoying listening to the show I think listeners will absolutely love hearing. Your takes on this wonderful film. Thank you for kind of bringing it to back to the surface for all of our attention to enjoy it and and congratulations on really fantastic book. Thank you. That concludes our episode on a letter to three wives. I would love to hear what you think of. This classic movie must feel free to Tweet at movie. Musk's pot or email classic movie must at gmail.com. You can listen to all of our episodes. Learn more show on our website. Classic Movie Must Dot Com. You can support the show and get access to our weekly exclusive episodes. Classic Movie Must Double Feature Our monthly exclusive episodes. Max's movie must by subscribing on Patriot on. You can also become a producer of. 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Dollar talked availability CEELO'S DOT COM for details licensing contiguous US only. Thank you for joining us for this Halloween special edition of Classic Radio Theater on your favorite radio station. In this final half hour now that we have heard all about Orson Welles the war of the worlds. Talk a little bit about what the show's impact was on the nation, the things happen and some of the aftermath. One of the most interesting things about the aftermath. Is what happened much later in nineteen forty. In October of nineteen forty. British author H. G. Wells the author of the war of the worlds took a train to Texas to speak to a meeting of the United States brewers association. Now. By this point, wells had published almost all of his fiction, the time machine, the island of Dr Moreau, the invisible man, and of course, the poor mentioned war, the world's. Now for some reason. Wells and wells were together at the same time in San Antonio Texas for their only broadcasts meeting that took place on San Antonio Radio Station K. Tsa October Twenty eight nineteen forty. Let's listen to that conversation. Evening Ladies and gentlemen. This is Charles Shaw Speaking Haiti has honored this evening by the presence in our studios of two great men. The honorable H. G. Wells on famous British story author and Student Immoral Affairs and Mr Orson Welles the genius of stage screen and radio. This is the first time that Mr H. G. Wells and Mr Orson Welles have appeared together. In fact, they met for the first time only yesterday here in San Antonio. But this is not the first time that their names have been linked to years ago Mr John Wells at that Mr H. G. Wells War of the worlds for radio purposes and you know the rest revising the story somewhat Mr Wells depicted an. Invasion of the United States by men from Mars although he explained numerous times during the program that it was petitions, the country at large was frightened almost out of its width men call radio stations offering to enlisted against the Martians. Others were panic stricken the realism of the production frightening. It was wasn't tribute to Mr Orson welles genius and the name of Wells H. G. W. E.. L.. L. S. and Orson W. E. L. L. E. S. became linked Mr H. G. Wells, and the opinion of many is the world's most famous man of letters. He has come to San Antonio to address the United States brewers association and Mr Orson Welles is here at townhall for an address Wednesday. In this meeting of great minds, I feel rather inconspicuous unless I have to say a better listeners will like it. But I but I interest you gentlemen in a discussion and Mr Orson welles broadcast of Mr H. G.. Wells book the War of the Worlds. Turning leading over that I am. Standing, it over to us well I've had. A series of the most electoral experiences seem do since I came to America. But they bring this happens though FIS meeting my a literal namesake arson I find him less to like food. Carrier. Carries Mine Hayman an extra either I hope you drops. Seeing those Simpson. and. I. AM known his work before he. Made this sensational, Halloween. Spree. I assure was such a panic in America wasn't at your Halloween. Fans. They got the nicest thing that's A. Man from England could be saved after then from us. That Mr Hitler, a good deal of sport of it. You know I actually spoke of it in the Great Munich's speech. And they were votes in. To as. Much else. And it's supposed to show the corrupt condition and decadence. State of affairs in democracies work went over as well as it did I think it's very nice Mr Wealth to say that Not only I didn't mean that the American people didn't mean it. was out impression in. We had articles about it and p percent of your neighborhood of Eileen American everybody pretends to see goes. Well the was some excitement caused. Really can't be little the amount that was cost but I think that the people over very quickly. One kind of exactly mistake you else wants to know what the Excitement that leaks from a practical joke and somebody puts a sheet over his head and says, Boo, I, don't think anybody believes the individuals Goethe but we do screen. Rush Downfall. That's just about. Description. Quite. Serious in the Medicare yet. Hadn't got the world right under your. The consequences you can still. Play. Is I did terra. Conflict. Against good or bad. It's a natural thing to do. Till your right up against it though it ceases to be a game lennox leases to. Game. Here's a thought some of Mr H. G. wells writings, return fantastic, and a few years ago with all night I have been conceived such. The shape of things to come which told of a long internecine war was such a fantasy for dourson wells. Do you think that it's so fantastic and do the events clearly not so fantastic and the the one question Mr Mr Well. Has. Spoken I don't even the shape of things to come but. Hinted are directly prophecy such a state of affairs. Following a Wasting war and a return to feudalism from which. The world would find itself again. And today Mr Offers. Luxury? Said quite the most interesting thing. I've read longtime. He said that he commenced just recently to ask him. So there was any reason why mankind's should so. Any late the phoenix censored so GET ITSELF OUT OF A. Mess, he proposed a couple of Of. Solutions, but he did admit that there. That, there was a box of all excuse for a gloomy point of view. And it would be good to be realistic about it or not to dismiss the gloomy point of view anymore perhaps At the time had come to look ahead since the future. Mr Wells' future we've always adored never really understood is suddenly upon us. We are living right now in. Fact famous H. G. Wells Future, which we all knew about. Foley you get away from this microphone. Tell me about this film of yours meaning producing. y'All producer onto. Direct to your everything from. The film cooked called Citizen Kane. Kane is not. Okay, any. Kind. Gracious possible thing to do is to office making it possible for me to do what in America spoken pluck. and. He understands. That you understand the value harvest wealth wants me to tell you that. I have made a motion picture and he's kind enough to ask me a leading question concerning I'm looking forward to it. I'm very kind. It's a new sort of motion picture with a new method of presentation and a few new Technical Experiments of union new methods of telling picture honey from the point of view of writing but showing five down. Misunderstand you. Completely, I think it'll be a lot of jolly good new noises. Jolly good new nicest. One of the motion pictures could well afford these days. I hope you're right and I'll tell us some johnny new voices I. Think Desirable Motion, Picture. I'm office. Very, quite, very civilized presentation. Orson Welles and H. G. Wells, their own converstation. And they're shortly after their first meeting. As it was broadcast over San Antonio radio station. K. Tsa. October twenty eighth nineteen forty. The legend of the war of the worlds as Orson Welles adapted it. And by the way, wells was not the one who adapted it was impact John Houseman who adapted. Who Most of us, know best probably as Professor Charles King's field in the paper chase. and. We know he did a number of commercials for a brokerage firm Smith Barney. Distinctive Middle. Myrick English accent. And Yet In that day and age. He was working for mostly through the Federal Theatre project all the way through the production citizen Kane with Welles. 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The War of the worlds as it was originally broadcast October thirtieth nineteen. Thirty eight. It was alleged to have caused panic. And yet. And yet as we go back and look at this through an analytical microscope. A number of people especially beginning with the seventy fifth anniversary show back in twenty thirteen indicate that what was alleged to have happened. Didn't. Over the space of thirty, five minutes. Things that would have taken hours to accomplish in that day and age. Were happening. Let's listen. To the closing scene of the first act of the war of the worlds once again. Broadcasting Building. The. Roof of broadcasting building. New York City. Value here ringing run the people through evacuate the city. Marking the throat. summating last few lower three million people have moved out around the roads. The nods. River Parkway Hills kept open motored traffic. Lights Richard Long Island. All communication, with Jerry because. Those Spend minutes ago. Defense. Army wiped out. Artillery. F. Everything wiped out. May, be the. Live broadcast. We'll stay here. So the end. Holding Service here below the. Federal. Now I look down the harbor whole. All manner of folks. overloaded. Lean population pulling out from. Three can. Noise and crowds like New Year's Eve and sitting. The enemies now inside of the policies eight five. Five McCain's. Crossing the river I can be here waiting. Waiting the Hudson like a man waiting. Mocking them is. Falling all over the country. Outside of Buffalo. Stephen. King wasted. Anthony. Icebreaker. Weight the other. Few Powers on the city guides. Lifting? Hand. The end now. comes. Over today's. People are. Now Running for the river. Dropping in like. Reading. Time where Buying away from it, but it's no use. A falling like flies. Both the Sixth Avenue. Fifth Avenue. Hundred yards away. Fifty. Fifty. Well on Hill. Calling. Director our calling they kill me up. In the anyone on the air. In, the anyone on the air. Everyone. Well. The orchestrated use of silence. made it so very powerful. But Let's be honest. If, you listen to it again. From Front to back, you realize that what took place in the span of some thirty five forty minutes. Could not have actually taken place. So Who made it that all of this was first, let's start by single admission. For. Nineteen thirty eight radio standards wore the world's was exciting. It was excellent. And yet the publicity surrounding it. Well. It wasn't quite accurate. Because we have a number of people who say the streets New York were were deserted. In fact, in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand, four, Ben, Grosse Who's the radio editor of the New York Daily News wrote in his memoir that New York streets were nearly deserted that October night in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight. Now, the world broadcast part of the hoax involved the town of grover mill near. Princeton in New Jersey being taken over by aliens. Now the tension was great and the radio acting was great. So. Where all the reports come from. Gross went to cover this. And the next day, his own New York daily, News Splash debate headline page one with Fotos fake radio war stirs terror throughout us. It was fake news. While some people may have believed it. It was a creation. and not a creation of wells or any of his associates. or of the CBS radio network or any broadcaster. You see it was recreation. Of The New York. Daily. News. Now. To. Give you an idea. The see who parading service that night. Telephone five, thousand households where it's national rating service only two percent. Answered a radio play or the Orson Welles program or something similar indicating CBS none said a news broadcast according to a summary. Published in broadcasting. In other words, ninety, eight percent of those surveyed were listening to something else or nothing at all on October thirtieth nineteen. Thirty. Eight Now the popular. Information says the time that people turned over while there was a musical number two I'm the far more popular. Charlie. McCarthy program. And Yet it appears that even going back strategically looking at the ratings of the day that isn't what happened. Very. Few actually listen despite. The claim that people turned over during a break. Now what we do know. Is that listening to the program it made a number of changes, for example. Any sort of dramatization today has to be very plainly laid out that this is a dramatization. It has to be laid out very carefully that this is not fact. And it has to be laid out very carefully. To so the people don't get confused. Even know people weren't confused in nineteen, thirty eight it changed the Regulations for broadcasting for years. And makes this deal with things today. Thanks to beat news. From the newspaper today who were afraid of the competition from radio. Find us on facebook just type. 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Talk Hey It's free talk live. You can join us here on the radio toll free number is eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free like freedom. That's eight, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three joining you in the studio here tonight it's Ian Nobody, and Chris and. Nobody you weren't at tonight's Crypto meet up Chris and I were and it was a really good one we it was. It would have been small. Had it not been for the four visitors who came in to from New York to from Massachusetts? who were on if they were all so called free staters, but there are definitely liberty migrants and interested in migrating to New Hampshire for more freedom. So actually had seven people I think attending tonight. So three locals and then four piece, we actually more attend east for who are outside from. The area than we did Kinda Sad. Oh Wow it was good. It was fine. Time. That's and that's not a long established gathering. It's. Know it's like Social Sundays as a lung condition be high ended, and we actually told them there would probably be more people it's `social does change from week to week. So it's sometimes you get twenty five people and sometimes you get to. Choose Social Sunday's. Usually during pork feth. Yes. Social Sundays tends to lean more towards I would say five to eight on the low side and then twenty four on the higher side. We saw over the last month has been a lot more people have been coming here into New Hampshire because they are sick and tired of being sick and tired of where they're from in this case. Yes. COUPLE FROM NEW YORK. Had left the upstate New York after I guess there was some sort of a mandate by the governor about vaccines and they've got kids and so that pushed him over the edge and what the the father told us was that he was doing a lot of research and he found the one hundred one reasons liberty lives in New Hampshire video. That it's five years old at least I. Think six years at this point it came out in two thousand fourteen that it's a timeless film though I'm not GonNa say it's timeless. I'm going to say that it's it's it hurts hour and a half its history I think it's only about an hour actually. It's not timeless, but it is a piece of history and and there's a lot of stuff that's still true about it. So it's it's still it. It motivated them to opt to say it's not dated. It's obviously going to be the day as soon as out of date as soon as you make it but that's not the point. The point is it's the general message and that's never gonNA be edited. Yeah. The message of Migrate Freedom Lovers to the same place. Here's what already happened circuito fourteen, which was a lot in two, thousand, fourteen, hundred, of course, it's more now. But it's really cool to see people still coming here and still just discovering this because for these folks I didn't get the impression that he had had really heard of us for very long that that it was sort of a new they were defied like. The the state wants to force vaccinate US we're out of here and and there's A. Lot of people and we need that because there are not enough libertarians now in the United States. To, make the United States Libertarian not at all by any stretch of the imagination but there are more than enough libertarians in the United States to make New Hampshire Libertar-? Doc. Libertarian Cause New Hampshire is is probably the most freedom friendly of all of the states excluding the Kobe crackdown where it's not that great. The problem is that you need to get them to move yeah problem. Thing is their governments are doing a good they are driving. Visitors recently super interesting like I didn't realize how bad it wasn't others had gotten in other states like I was talking to a dozen people just think yesterday about how I don't think single person actually had a job like they had all wall shops and there's going to be like the half a dozen. I. Think maybe more people visiting. You know team in about two weeks from now just because just people you know just people I have I don't even know them I. Mean they're no of them coming here. Yeah I mean, yeah I mean I. Found that they we're coming, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean I was part of a group that somebody added me to and I didn't know any of these people I still don't really know any of these people but they're all people who are liberty people and they didn't know about New Hampshire or the migration moving some of metal just recently. Yeah. I just heard of it and I was introducing them and they know. It's it's it's like a freedom group to form form cells not. Exactly, the group. Terrorist cells even though. As matter of fact, they they may your. Cell Four, one one when I'm done with yes. Yes exactly. That group. So yeah, and I was just blown away like I thought you know I started a conversation with them and thinking like, Oh these people are already in New Hampshire based on what I'm hearing and and then you know I thought it was kind of weird though because it was like a whole heck about freedom and then I realized Oh wait a minute where are you guys all from and they started writing? Books. And exactly, and it was like every it was like New York and New Jersey in Florida and just all of Connecticut and it was like, no, no single. What have you heard, New Hampshire and you don't even know what the Free State project is or that like like there's a migration movement going on or anything, and then I started telling them like different stories about. It and like within a matter of like an hour, you know they're probably about six people who are literally talking about know they're gonNA come up and visit next week to weeks. Weeks were blown away I mean the people from New York New York is the Fiftieth The fiftieth most free state or at least it's not free at all. It's like the least free. Of all dates and and these people were just amazed at the just the difference between what it was like where they were from what it's like just by moving down two hours east basically because they were from the eastern part of of New York's they didn't even have to go that far but they came out today I had a good time at our show. Meet up and I just I I love that we're seeing a larger number of people come in. This has been I would say a banner year I would say twenty twenty compared to the last several years twenty twenty we've had more visitors here than I would say in the last Sam had gonNA to have people hot to move I'm I'm beginning to like the crackdown. Last year. Because the motivator, a motivator for people to wake up and get their act together and start moving the problem is cracking down in New Hampshire to. People are going to be. Putting a stop to that, stop a good way to cut our. And we can stay. People yes. As people wake up here. Yeah. We're going to have to have some noncompliance. I'm not yeah I'm not under the averaging. So I'm not under the illusion that we can make a difference right now in regards to all this stuff that they're doing but I, think you know once you get more people moving you know in the course of the next years we could. We could put a stop to it doesn't take twenty years to roll to say. Think that's going to I. Don't think that's going to be the case, but I'm just saying I think the next time they try it it's getting worse here. Now they're the governor saying we announced this on the show last night he's saying to restaurants that they have to start asking people for their name and phone number well when they come into terrestrial. That in Vermont frightened now the Vermont by the way I'm sorry to interrupt you but just announced that they're locking down quarantine on anyone going in and out from Vermont to New Hampshire. Skinny sense because there's we're going to third least infected stay. It doesn't matter in the United. They don't care about it doesn't matter but but it's just you've got to. I mean Hodel controlling out. Is Important I think because you just ain't. None of it doesn't I do hate old but ninety author, I? Love my parents cost us too much money we got rid of. But. But the thing is it. It's none of this is about health now none of it's about control. Total control. It's about eighty and something else. There's something else going on here. I don't think I'll know what the traffic is before it spring. It's just you know this is something that we've always had. It's just this is the latest excuse to take drastic action right? Like normally they don't have anything this bad and I put batting quotes here but they don't have anything this bad to excuse their bad behavior with now they do and so now they're taking in that bad. I mean. They managed to get a freak out over what is basically the flu right? Right right and I agree. I. Agree I I. Don't I don't I don't know if I would describe as a rough cold, but I do think it's absolutely absurd. The reaction that government has had on you know just what is a little bit worse than a mild cold? Yeah. Well, they're they're they're clearly looking for reasons to do what they're doing and what they're doing seems to have one intent. And that intent well too intense. The first is. To cut down communication as much as possible. That certain point is to make us as poor as they can. In the best interests of a government because usually a government wants their, they want their their sheep fat. Naked note we can come back to. The toll free numbers eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three, and then we'll talk about Geo fence warrants what that means what they're about. Also on the way since we're talking about migration other people who left New York City, but then went back. News from news bitcoin. Dot Com the US government moves to regulate crypto currencies attorney. General Publishes Enforcement Framework Four Point Eight, billion dollars still missing from a Silk Road some of the oldest bitcoins were just moved is Satochi knock out. 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When people who are new show Here it's it's nice to see some new blood new ideas fresh faces people come in here. We had a couple of folks especially people who are actually to be activist and do do something he definitely Sa- he the guy, the guy that was there talking with us with his his wife seems like he's a real active guy he's interested in getting stuff done, which is cool. And you know what? One of the things we've gotten done here pretty effectively New Hampshire at least here in keene and out on the sea coast. Is, getting businesses to accept crypto currency, and that is something that in my opinion is a form of activism and it's an important one to get people out of the dollar and give them alternatives like crypto currency or gold them dollars. And get them using these things in in business and buying things. 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Well, right because the because I think one of the points you touched on earlier correct me if I'm wrong on this is that yeah, of course, the government wants to crack down they wanNA tyrannize they wanna make people uncomfortable and and extract as much wealth and obedience from them as possible but if they destroy a bunch of Businesses then that doesn't that hurt their tax receipts. Yes it is their ability to tax, and so it's irrational for them. It's like if a farmer went out and started just walking his sheep when there was no market for the for for the meat but I think what you're missing is it's about the power these these are power seekers. That's the people who elected people who seek pedal I know that's what it's about but I don't mind. Money. So much money is power, but I don't think it's not them personally getting the money right so what they're seeking is controlled, they're seeking power never end up with an awful lot of. The. Clintons ended up being multimillionaires. After eight years in office rations converting they they weren't even millionaires going in I don't think yeah and I think I think the idea that it's it's it's planned You know I it's like some help been plan I don't think. So I think it's I think the way it is working is it's basically people taking advantage of something that has you know you know sound scary and has had some impact but it it's it's exploiting it if it's possible that they're just so economically ignorant that they don't realize. The actions that they're taking the are. Not Because every act everything they've done for the last hundred years has been so perfect tweet tuned. To getting the results that they've gotten. Is Yes. Yes. Every what did we? What are we talking about? I'm talking about sense the since the creation of the federal. Reserve they have managed to come up with every lie on earth. To let them implement exactly the programs that would make them the richest and the rest of us the poorest and they had to know what they were doing when they were doing that it wasn't an accident system isn't broken. The system has been working perfectly. It's just doing something horrible. So people think it's broken. Well. Maybe that's part of it. Then nobody maybe the you bet you mentioned the Federal Reserve Right? The this semi private quasi private banking cartel that essentially re runs the money system and and rules rules the government to some extent because what was it? WAS IT Rothschild? WHO said I care not who? Who writes the laws? So long as I control the money or something like that. got a licensed to print money. It's easy to do things like buy control of two political parties and them to team up to to destroy their country. Maybe this is you know somebody at the Federal Reserve level or whoever's higher up than that right? The BILDERBERG group or the the World Economic Forum or or whatever because. They decided that this is their last bash. They're just going to go all in do crazy money printing a crazy transfers of wealth from the poor to the rich because that's ultimately what happens right when you when you print out a ton of money, which is what they did earlier this year and we'll continue to news soon as they come up with a new multi trillion dollar agreement between the wants the Republicans Democrats scratched each other's. Backs. Enough and log rolled enough on this next thing they're going to print out trillions more and that results in, of course, money going to mostly the politically connected and that means the value comes out of the pockets of everybody else. So it could be a big cash grab and they're just like well, whatever we don't care what happens to the economy. We're we're taking as much as we can out of it, but y now still doesn't. It feels if feels like it does feel like an end game and if you if you figure that the if they created the Federal Reserve with one hundred. Year Plan. which is you know reasonably round way to schedule things than they would be a few years overdue for that plan come to fruition and I think one major place where where the plan fell down is I think the Clintons were supposed to get the guns in the nineties. And they couldn't do it. And so I think they've kind of been playing catchup since then it seems like the entire. Is kind of collapsing in some respects because of what they're doing but at the same time, they're taking money for themselves. So it's not they don't really care about the whole system as a whole I don't think any one individual does I think it's more along the lines of okay. Now they can get yeah. They're gonNA take what they can get and and that's kind of leading to also this economic at the same time using it to get more power. 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York City in other places some places they're opening up a little bit but in other places where they already opened up a little bit now they're saying, well, we couldn't we can't. Now we gotTA RE crackdown. It's Christmas time says the people in the UK so we wanna have a good Christmas. So we're GONNA crack down hard for two weeks lock everybody up a red zone or tier three I guess is what they call it s not everybody but. The UK. is now in a so-called tier three status where you can't go outside and like go from one tier to the next or harassing people that are on public transport, they're shaken down. There's all kinds of crazy news and crazy threats out there. So if you WANNA comment, you're welcome to join us our toll free numbers eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free, and of course there's just this continuing. Propaganda coming from the mainstream media about fear and how to afraid and be super safe, and there's just in the news. There's been some really ridiculous stories about Halloween which of course is right around the corner. We're doing the the pre Halloween show of course, Halloween be tomorrow night. But some places are banning Halloween entirely. Others are putting out advisement on how to have a safe Halloween like by basically removing any semblance of fun I assumed Halloween was canceled is that still going on it depends on where? Do I. Believe Keen is Hap-. It's happy valley interests but some of the towns in Massachusetts not so much. and. So we can talk more about that as well. Plus California recently came out was ridiculous Thanksgiving rules in place that God were amazed there. So a just absolutely outrageous that even some of the Californians are upset about it. So we can share those with if we get the chance but I wanted to talk first about these city people from New York City Than York City get a rope. The New York Post I. saw this headline and I'm like are we gonNA talk by this headline I fled new city amid covid and it was the worst decision of my life. So. So we're dealing with this problem though we must have run. Into some Libertarians I don't think it was that I don't think he ended up in this person is in New Hampshire but that they did go to the person who can go to Massachusetts I think and others went to Vermont Rural Massachusetts. Citizens the thing everything's rural compared to because that's what I mean like I said, you probably bumped it. Up and it was like. For more than it's more than that Oh. Okay. So that's one of the things I wanted to discuss given that we've actually seen people coming to New Hampshire. We've seen liberty loving people giving up on states like New York finally we've been trying to convince of this. Hey, you know you're in the worst place for freedom. Why don't you just moved to the best place real they already know that it's not. Going, to move is there's habits. So people people get into a habit to get into a routine excuses. It's like you can't run a business from New Hampshire I. Mean Come on. Well, I look I I can understand if you've got a regional business that successful I get that and you've got a customer list that's hard to walk away from it and I and I understand people they love their families than it's walkaway years year run the business down and then you move and you start the start of New Jersey I mean look anybody that wants to do this can do it they will make it happen. The universe will open up opportunities. I know somebody who made the decision to move to New Hampshire she says, she made this decision and the next day she received a twitter message on twitter from somebody she'd never met before asking if she wanted to come work in. New Hampshire. Temporary job, but it was an opportunity to come here and enter the next day. The Universe is. This opportunity. To go to your calls and thoughts. But what other people who left New York City? And then went back during this Kovic thing. That's WanNa talk about those are the people I want to talk about. Let's go first to bow in South Carolina you're on free talk, live hello. Hey y'all. I want to talk about where this thing really come from. All right. Tell me back back in do four of last year. There was all these stories about a faith in disease some three I remember that. Mysteriously, don't hear anything about that anymore. Action to. And then on August first of last year. You can look this up. It was in the New York Times on the website the army's biological weapons labs at Fort Detrick Maryland. Was Shut Down pre-release from viruses. And You don't. You don't hear anything about preventing disease anymore. It's great point. Yeah. It was all the rage. You're absolutely right a year ago is on the front page of newspapers, and this is the thing though newspapers always like freak out about every little day we're tracking the number of people that were dying from it. It was like an everyday thing. There was all these laws being passed, and now the minimum age for smoking is twenty one now instead of eight. Almost like an aborted start to what they're doing now men but like they didn't quite get the story right on that people weren't by it's an interesting point though what else did you want share? Well that's pretty much it. I just WANNA say I. Believe it come from the US. Army it didn't come in and. Say that they believe come from the US army and I think they're right I know what I think it is I think it was actually funded by A. I think there was some connection to government potentially and I. Think I think what it was was it was actually the united. States. I don't know I don't know if it was probably connected by. The United States actually having. An I think it was like a university connection, a US university connection with. A lab in China. So like it was, there was a US connection, but it wasn't necessarily. The US is where it came from it came it came from China but it was because of the US don't think anyone's ever since. There's so there is you can. You can find some information out there was a there is a lab in Wuhan, for example, and that lab you can look up any predates if you look back at it, they were doing a certain. I don't know how to explain it, but it's like there was certain types of. Experiments that they were doing, which we're very dangerous and there were many scientists who were opposed to those experiments because of the risks that were involved and literally they were shut down at the time that you know viruses. Basically you know coming out and one of the reasons that I think this thing is definitely engineered is that. China is a country of a billion people huge huge country, and this thing just happens to appear out of nowhere in the shadow of not only a bio weapons lab, but China's only bio weapons lab. So the chances of that happening in this one in how many cities are there in China but I mean it was engineered they did a piss poor job of making it any more dangerous than any other, Kovin? Odin game is though maybe that's maybe that wasn't there. I don't think I. My my gut is that this was an accident and it spread and you know the things that people were concerned about. Just team and. They were something that they were trying working. Both thinks the American military. You think it was the Chinese government I don't think I'm not saying is trying to. Enough, the American government has given that lab several, grant. China that doesn't mean it wasn't connected to the US or US universities. It was from what I understand. So like there's a US connection. So it's kind of funny for the US to blame. 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And that's a bad thing to some extent because the people who are coming yeah I mean unless they're actual liberty loving people the people who are coming out of new. York. What's driving the demand here though they're not liberty loving people. There are people who are status from the big city and they bring their big city ways with them. Now again, if you love liberty, you're welcome come on come on in if you care about freedom than we want to have you here New Hampshire. But if you love telling other people what to do and if you love the government, then you're not, you're not going to be welcome I don't think here at least. You shouldn't you shouldn't feel welcome and we're filling up with libertarian nationalist. So I just wanted to focus on what I thought was a really entertaining story from the New York Post as an entertaining laugh at laugh at the city people. So here we go. They took off in a hurry, but these New Yorkers are on the express line back to the city when the pandemic hidden in. March Zachary Thatcher packed his suitcases and joined the record-breaking exodus of city folk leaving town he said. Quote. I was feeling cooped up and thought I wanted to have a more rural life that was more in tune with nature he said gave up gave up his one bedroom apartment in the West village in April. He said I thought I wouldn't come back. Turns out not all New Yorkers are cut out for country living quote I was definitely not in farm. Think I was definitely not in farm shape when I got there said Thatcher who volunteered at a friend's organic farm for. Their you that's what happened and so after testing out life in Massachusetts Vermont and Beacon New York Thatcher settled on Brooklyn. So he went to three different states tried three different locations before ultimately going back to the city he said I missed the diversity in my Jewish community. It's just so easy. He just said that they're just said. He said, it's just so easy to walk to places without having to plan things out you can stumble upon bars or restaurants and not be on a script here. Again, just the idea of is being in the big city and walking around. Just kind of blows. My mind dislike exactly what you can't do I I don't feel like I'm cramped like I can't go out for lunch or you know any of the things that I would think that you he's describing in a big city like I don't feel it's that bad like well. You came from new. Jersey. Yeah yeah it wasn't the heart of New York. City where you know. But close close to a we were forty minutes or so from from Manhattan. So but this is the kind of person he's a he's a city person right? Like I'm a city person too but not I guess not. I. Liked. This guy you know he probably spent his whole life in New York City. And New York is where rat right? I get allergic smelling gets totally this guy. So. Somebody like him living doesn't involve planning necessarily, it just goes out he just he just likes to go out into the city and see what he finds and I can I can understand why there's an appeal to that. It's not something I would do I'm too damn busy to like just wander around and Run into. Things. But you know this is what his lifestyle is like I'm just I'm trying to comprehend this like mentality I mean sure I like to travel to but like I don't feel like I have to stick to one city and only like explore that one city right like. Well a New Yorker feels differently right clearly, new. York in New, York And there's nothing else I don't understand that mentality. So going on and again, this is the New York Post writing the story. It's not just the boonies that are turning off city slickers. New Yorkers have been snatching up real estate in the suburbs as well as smaller regional cities where they can get newly coveted amenities like outdoor space. Quote. I got a driveway, a yard, a washing machine an eat in kitchen said Maureen. An accountant who earlier this year gave up her rent controlled one bedroom apartment on the upper west side. We'll. We'll WHOA, whoa. WHOA. WHOA. You never give up a reading control apartment never never you don't do that. Well, she said she wanted to get out of the city what are you thinking not out of the city and how that works it's a rent controlled she. How any of wanted out? No, you're supposed to give it to a friend and maybe she did and then they pay. She didn't say who she gave it up to us. So when I when when she said I, give. Up I'm assuming she means she lets the city have it back basically or something to that effect? So like I don't know too I mean look I mean as Libertarians we don't support control anyway because is. Control price control on the marketplace. It discourages upgrades discourages the property from being you know kept up to speed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and you know that sort of thing. But that's a whole other conversation. Yeah. So now she's like Oh my God I got an eat in kitchen I mean when I think of kitchen I don't even think you know. Need an whatever Normal is the standard. On June first, she signed a lease on a much bigger three bedroom flat in Burlington Vermont where she moved with her to Siberian huskies she said after two weeks I was like. Is this all there is. There is everybody. Is. You know it's it's definitely very rural. So, like I. Have to say like Harlington is a city in Vermont. BURLINGTON I'm sorry. I'm thinking of I'm thinking of like over like bridal kind of area, but I also small city. Yeah I mean we're all smart cities. It's smaller than seen though in this Kenyan not that big so. This is where is everybody well, number one you moved to Vermont and Vermont are way more likely to be serious about lockdowns. So they're probably would have been more people on the streets of Burlington, a year ago I'm betting empty right now just given again Vermont in the news today for locking down in quarantine anyone from going or coming from or to New Hampshire there are probably a lot of people on the streets of New, York these days. Are So they're okay. So there's not as many as they usually would be, but there's still a lot of people on the streets and they and the reason for that has to do with the fact that if you looked at New York apartment. They're so small you have to get you can't actually be inside all the time it just it would be like living in a jail cell twenty, four hours. So that's the numbers are way down according to people that live in the cities. It's way it's still if you go on the street, it's it's New York City streets are still more crowded than keen is during a normal non cova period. Well, but per capita, is it I doubt that? I doubt that I mean what I haven't seen it seeing you've been there. You've been onto Ios of like what? Like parks and city streets and things like that and there it's still supercrew. I. Mean You have to remember New York City is like normal under normal day? It's literally you're stepping on people and you are touching them right physically now it's like, okay. So they're six there. You're lucky. They're six feet in front of you. But there you're still like that's still a lot of people when you go out, you don't there's not GonNa be you may have well, that's not what I'm not. Quoting to city people that I've talked to now. Nick Schenken for instance from Philly but that's also very large city. is nothing compared to New, York in Philadelphia Curling you is saying there's a way way fewer people in the streets. A lot of these people are afraid to go outside. I wouldn't be surprised that that's true in Philly because Philly the density affiliate is nothing compared to New York. Well if you actually live in the city and you. From. Failure pretty dense. If you actually want to calm and you know you wanNA share what it's actually like because obviously Chris and I aren't GonNa. Aren't going to agree on on this I? Think per capita it's it's way down from from what it was. Oh We. Agree. We agree that it's way down. It's just it's just not. It's still you're not saying it's a ghost I'm not saying it's a ghost town. But, it's way down. Yeah. In fact, there was a photo I saw from San Francisco where it did look like a ghost town. So just like Manhattan like I said, San Francisco I saw a photo essay Francisco Interesting Cisco's pre populated to, but they're still not as densely populated new. York City. I understand that. Toll free numbers eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three three and obviously whether it's now or a decade ago, Burlington, Vermont, is going to be. 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Toll Free number tonight that the five or fifty free like freedom. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three, coming up Chris is going to tell us about Gio fence warrants I had to admit I. don't even know what that is. We're going to find out what that is what it means what it's all about and why it's a bad thing. Toll Free number safety five, four, fifty free. That's on the way plus how do you make Halloween the lamest Halloween ever we can tell you about that on the way as well with you in the studio tonight, you've got Ian Nobody and Chris. We were just telling you a couple of real life stories from the New York, Post they're interviewing New Yorkers, city people who they thought they wanted to leave and you know it's probably pretty good idea to get out of New York City. If you don't have to be there for work anymore and you don't WanNa be living. On top of eight million people or ten million or whatever. It is these days because again, there's a lot of people that come in during the day or at least there were now not. So many of them are traveling because their work has now gone remotes they've been able to leave the city turns out some of these city folk. They can't handle it outside of New York. City. As one woman said if after she moved to Burlington, Vermont with her to Siberian huskies on first, she said after two weeks I was like is this all there is where is everybody? So her name is Maureen Cross story from the New York Post she said or not cross cross according to the story was soon browsing street easy to move back to the West. Eighties from her new digs in the sticks and ultimately scored a duplex with a backyard. She was happy to return to the churn of fast paced city life and soon found herself back in her old routine of visiting museums, walking, Riverside Park and volunteering with the wild bird fund. She said I moved back right in time for the met reopening when I walked into the room with the Jackson pollock Mark Rothko paintings, my cells fell back into place. Of course not everyone just as soon as she was back in her cell. Earlier, this year says because not everyone can just pick up and move back earlier this year jen who works for a radio station in declined to give her last name moved out of her apartment on West Eighty seventh street with her husband to two daughters age four and eight. She said when June came I, lost my mind and agreed to buy a pool that came with a home in. Albany said the forty four year old half jokingly. The former Westside or said she quote Mrs Everything Unquote about the city but agreed to stay put considering her husband loves the BURBS and her kids are quote thriving unquote someday when she and her husband are empty nesters she hopes to return. There's a reason they call it bourbon. She says. I just can't believe that I have to wait that long she said others have managed to hold onto their places in the city while they hide out s elsewhere Noel, the thirty two year old commercial real estate developer recently decamped to Whitefish Montana with her partner and two young children while thankfully, they still have the keys to their crammer. See place she said I miss talking to the Doorman in the morning when I walk my dog who Noel declined to give her last name for privacy reasons saying further quote I miss going outside and being able to talk to people. Well No. Wait a minute I actually found that people are now I can't speak to Whitefish Montana but I found that people in new. Hampshire awfully friendly and if you WANNA talk to New Hampshire those does talk to you yeah yeah this is this is just crazy to me like if I wanted to go out and Socialize I would think that you'd actually probably have an easier time socializing with people for more rural areas than you would from a city given that people in the city they don't WanNa talk to you. Like. They won't respond to you if you try to. You know see. That, but you know I most I spent most of my time in New York City wandering around Battery Park in the middle of the night. There high they have nothing better to do. Yeah. They'll talk to you probably know. But if you're just walking down the streets during the day, people have somewhere to be yeah. Yeah So while hiking swimming and sledding are nice she says they don't hold a candle to visiting the Central Park Zoo. With the kids or dated casselman Oh one of her favourite neighborhood restaurants even her toddler can't wait to return to his cosmopolitan routine. This feels like to me. Is, it's not the location. Probably it's more the different environment and not knowing where those places are. That would be really really great to. Go. Out on a date night like I remember in I used to live in. New Jersey and there's this place called Angelo's and it was talian. Talion rush this amazing Italian restaurant and. I know about it for like basically entire life I find it one day and I come across the base on a recommendation from somebody and you went back but I've never found anything like that keen but that doesn't mean there's not stuff here I just don't know about and I think that's probably the problem that these people are having just don't they move this place there have only been there two to three weeks and then they're like they don't know what to do well okay. We'll get to know people find out where the places are and go go check them out. You know it's like well I mean the fact is a city like new. York City there's a lot of stuff to do right dine in normal times. I don't know if you can do anything now but you know previously, you could just walk down the block in Manhattan and find a comedy club to go into or or you know the Hookah Lounge or whatever. There's just their stuff everywhere. Yeah and if that's what you're used to then I get it, you know it's a culture shock and some of these people they can't handle if I say good riddance Outta here. It's funny because it's like it's like the act like this kind of stuff doesn't happen to outside of New York City, and it does sure it does it happens even in a fairly small towns even in keene there are you know there's gambling? Dens and the lots of bars and I don't know I just think it's I just think it's hilarious that like these people can't find these places. Well, they're not as densely packed in other places dress I guess you have to dry there's more people living in. There's more people living in. A building in New York City. Then probably live in all of Keene New Hampshire like you've seen those. Houses that just probably one of exaggeration but. Now. Exaggeration at all it's too far off. As I, understand it the World Trade Center had its own zip code. Yeah, it sounds like an exaggeration but not. Really literally, True Yeah. Yeah. Did so and so she was the article wraps up with one more quote from one of these people she says. My son looked at me one day and said Mommy I miss Sushi. Again and so you couldn't get exactly what I'm talking about. These people are just like they need to get out of the house more like after they moved they can't just stay wrapped up in their little house. You got it. That's just it. They're afraid they're not going to go out because they're afraid. It reminds me my sister moved here are not here she moved to Vermont earlier this year and she moved from the city now she wasn't born and raised in the city. She's just been listening lifting losing a living there for most of her adult life but she came up to Vermont and I caught win that she'd moved from my parents. I haven't seen this girl in. A decade more more. And we don't have much of a relationship, but I tried to do the right thing right and and reach out as the big brother like, Hey, you know I heard your in the neighborhood now because she was an hour and a half from Qian's he's in Vermont, southern Vermont and like Hey why don't you come on over bring your husband or fiance or whatever boyfriend you've got and know I'll take you out to lunch or something like that. Just to kind of catch up chur shirt is a good excuse right 'cause she's been in New, York City, and now she's And her response was that they're quote hunker down. In, Vermont and they're not out. And they're they're not gonNA come out here. And they're not going to go out in wherever they are and they're quote hunkered down. So it's a total city person fear fear mentality and I was just like all right. Well, I tried. Yeah. I'm not going to try to persuade or anything like that. It's. It's fine. I really didn't want to do it in the first place. I tried to do the right thing and she wasn't even going to leave her house in Vermont in the woods of Vermont. So that's the kind of people we're talking about here. These people you know they completely bought all the propaganda. That's one of the reasons they left in the first place was to get away from population center and they're just scared to death yeah I don't know I mean I could see moving away but completely boarding yourself up and not going out ever is probably a bit of a bit a bit of an over over over. -solutely. So anyway, I say to these city people get back to where you came from. Let's get some of these people out of these houses. So we can get freedom loving people to give them a chance. To once. Once, belonged exactly. All right. So eight, fifty, five, four, hundred, fifty free. So Crisp. What Our Geo fence warrants I've heard of geofencing in like marketing, right? So like you show up in a certain location and there's an advertisement that place to you because the phone knows that you're in that location or whatever. That's how I've heard of. Saying, they basically know where people are all the time now. Cell phones and they they basically draw a circle around the area that they crime happened in this Gimme every person name who is in that area. Let's talk about what that turns into and why it's a bad thing on the way it's free talk live. It's been a pretty good investment for Free Talk Live their ad campaign started in September two thousand nineteen from mid March to mid July, the values soared by ten times. It's not too late. Davies. 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Search a thing specific. Yes. Supplies specific. Thing. Yeah. Well, this is kind of like a reverse. They know where crime happened they don't know who to search. So they basically go on a fishing dish, a fiction fishing expedition by subpoenaing. Records. From the phone companies. In this case Google I, believe it is power. Okay. But yeah. Because Google is tracking apple more shell probably mum where detail and so it's not necessarily the case that they will get everybody's information because it does require you to be like using Google services but almost all android phones are unless you're like install something else. So theoretically, you could have somebody also without a phone so. Just because you have a go go weren't or whatever doesn't urge you fence warrant. It doesn't mean that you're going to have all the people who were near a crime rate any criminal who's smart enough to leave their phone at home. When they commit their crime, we'll have a distinct advantage right exactly, and so there's so many people are amazed when I leave my phone at home to freight. and. So they then have a list of what they call suspects basically based on these. Gio Warrant. Gio Fence, Warren, I can't keep saying that wrong. So. Yeah. So this is a story from zero head I guess Google Gio fence warrants keep locking up innocent people who were in proximity of crime scene. Months ago, it detailed an incredibly scary or William tool in the local police force arsenal known as a GIO fence worn as script at the time. It's essentially a virtual dragged over crime scenes where police request to sweep up GIO or sweep up google location data drawn from. Bluetooth Wifi and sailor connections from anyone who happened to be crime scene because so can you just imagine you You know just you know Maybe in the morning, you go for a jog drug by pizza place that's robbed and all of a sudden. Now, you're the prime suspect of committing crimes. In the trial of the time. GPS Bluetooth Wifi and cellular connections from everyone who happened to be near a crime scene from this blanket of surveillance law enforcement. Then try to figure out which phones may have tied. Two suspects were possible witnesses already disabled blanket surveillance warrant which work as works as a kind of guilt by proximity at the time of crime occurred has been used by. Police to arrest what turned out to be innocent bystanders who were suddenly surprised to find themselves. Prime suspects because these cops are not like they're not the brightest tools in the you know I mean they basically say okay. Well, you were near the crime scene therefore, it must. You must have somehow well, you're near the crime scene and you're black. So therefore. And so it's it's tool. It's basically used to find a suspect that they can then later prosecute. You can get a conviction on based on merely being near what was the crime scene that may or may not actually the person involved who committed the crime and we shouldn't be surprised that that's the direction that police will take things because they are in a lot of cases corrupt and they are lazy. But in theory, this isn't a bad concept necessarily like the concept of hey something bad happened. It would help us to talk to the people who were nearby and find out if they saw anything like. On its own, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. There's no. curium practice practice or generally is I think the issue comes down to that they're not going to a business owner I'm being own. Hey can we look at your your footage skirt camera? The problem is that people are unknowingly. Basically, being caught up in these police investigations that. You know. Without there being any kind of warrant or anybody you know. There was run. Well. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah I guess G Offense Warren but they call it a warrant, but it's not a it's not a specific. One as 'cause as as it would be defined in the constitution, right? It's not a specific place to be searched. Is Them just taking a circle drawing it around a map and then searching everybody stayed at right? Well they are specifically asking for a specific set of data from one particular place From a place that just happens to have everybody's data I think that's I. think that's a little bit misleading because they're getting everybody's data, right? So anybody in that area, they're getting their phone information their. Host names other phone number dresses to work is in order to invade your data they're gonNa there's supposed to have specific evidence before right that you at their heart and being present in the neighborhood does not count as. Call. I I get that. But in this case, their argument is not that it's your data that it's Google's data. So they say, Google things to that's why Google government get along like peas, and that's like saying you don't own your phone because there's a license agreement attached to it I mean come on. Stop using Google for why don't using I don't use ghouls. Ghouls. Proprietary software that has this stuff but moving to apple is solve your problems. Also what what you WanNa do if anything would be. Getting a tablet instead of a phone learn to change your Mac address and. Put Lennox on it and when you. And your now, way out of the Bailiwick of you know the average phone user. But Dino, you're not supposed to be average. The average person is an idiot well, I don't disagree with that. Generally speaking average person is probably an idiot but the issue is also the one investigating me so. For a crime that I didn't. So I'm not defending what they're doing here. I'm just kind making whatever the legal argument might be on their side. We're not invading your privacy. You gave up your privacy by using Google and then gave them your information. We're just asking Google forest people don't even aren't even. That's happening. Right were even I. don't even know. Does it actually ever tell you that they're using? Is there anything that you agree to? There's an out for location data? You know they're still collecting it anyway whether you opt into it or not I think yeah I mean that's a good question cell phone company needs to know where you are in order to serve you with right. So if it was so okay. So let's back up a moment. So the GEO fence weren't in this particular case is in relation to Google. However, they do something similar with the self with a cell phone tower data tower data is less accurate though that would get you the flip phone users to instead of. was still are some. Out there toll free numbers eight, fifty, five, four, fifty, free. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three We can continue this discussion. 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I've seen people convicted on circumstantial evidence. I know a used to know a mayor used to say, well, you can fool all the people some of the time you can fool some of the people all of the time engine we that sufficient. Yeah. So I mean basically using it to manipulate people into thinking you know people are committing crimes when they're when they're not the people who actually committed the crime that may actually happened but just not the same, and again that's because you know a lot of cops are corrupt a lot of are lazy and so you get lazy corrupt people and give them power and. Then they're going to use this, they're going to go up and they're going to get this GIO fence. Warren, which again for those just tuning in the way for them to go to Google and say the store here got robbed. Give us the idea of anybody that happened to be in the vicinity of you know Meyer, half a mile or a mile radius around and. They're for people to frame basically and you know the crazy thing about this is there will be people who have been You know business owners who have been robbed or you know whoever was there at the time like the cashier or whatever, and they will say, no, that's not the person and yet they will still continue to prosecute these people really. Yeah. I mean that's I mean that's This happens all the time. This is a crazy thing. So, let me let me read this particular instance of this happening in two, thousand, eighteen, twenty, two year old Georgia Malone. was arrested in jail for six days on suspicion of killing another man police in a- vondle to kill the for is Ana. About Twenty Miles from Phoenix held Molina for questioning according to a police report officers told him they knew one hundred percent without a doubt. His phone was at the scene of the crime based on the data from Google. So basically they were they were trying to imply. That they knew he did it and it's not. I haven't read for yet but I suspect they probably actually outright told him. They knew he did it at some point here I says, well, the Kochs are allowed to lie and that's May could say something like that to try to get somebody or to guilty. and they do it all the time in fact, the Molina. Wasn't there. He'd simply lent an old phone out to the man police later arrested the phone was still signed into this was after this guy was arrested. Day. Information About Molina's phone came from GIO fence weren't relatively new. An increasingly popular investigative technique police used to track suspects locations, which is anybody in the area Traditionally police identify a suspect then issue a warrant to search the person's home or belonging. Yeah. This is not a even despite the fact that they're calling it a warrant it's it's like it's misleading be is it's not a specific thing and Specific place in thing to be it is it's not it's not they don't have that information yet. What they're doing is they're going on a fishing expedition to obtain I know what they're doing. I'm just saying from their perspective, it is a specific place and think the specific place is Google Server and the thing they want is the data about this particular location. This area where the crime was committed. Okay I. Believe that anybody the data, the people at. The information that there are attempting to get will lead to Evidence of a crime I. Think there's a very strong reason to believe that. A crime was committed. That location now it's not. Specific suspect and the idea is before they go digging through your data, they're supposed not your data probable cause it's not your data. You did it yes, it is. No, it's not. You gave it to Google I think the same way that when you upload a photograph to Facebook, it is not your photo anymore you still have the the right to use it like facebook also was granted the right to use it in any way they. Want to hold on if you upload a photo to facebook or twitter or wherever right one of these one of these big corporations, their agreement, the terms of service usually says they get a non exclusive right to use your your data in whatever way they want to use it whether that's putting it in their advertisements or whatever turning it over to the police they can do what they want with it. Sure. Don't quote deal data to me which. When it was written I'm not. I don't I'm not. I'm not debating I, don't disagree in in in some respect with with the argument I'm still not convinced that. The police have. Sufficient. They can't just demand. Okay. So I'm going to give you. Can't just demand that google hand over their entire database of customers right now, and so and the judge probably wouldn't allow that warrant if that's what they were asking for. But because they're being somewhat specific in that, they only want data from this particular area. You know judge a judge may only allow a mile radius he may not allow ten mile. So they'll say you know that that you're if you. If you think you know that the that you're suspect lives within a mile of where the crime committed, why not just shoot every or why not just search every house in the neighborhood that's the kind of. You know jump that you would expect these people to make when they want to go to the next level of. Them Do. Them doing what they're doing is is a jump the. The. Founding Fathers talked about your data. It was well known that your data with sometimes in the hands of people but it meant that they couldn't go shakedown your banker to to find out what kind of business die do that crap all the time I don't screen and I think they do now they do and they didn't. They certainly didn't in the past. And I. Think. The problem here is you if you if you start taking a look at what they're actually doing in modern. In Modern Times here in the last twenty years. You'll notice that they will do things like go around to every person in a neighborhood, the knock on the doors and force them to provide DNA. For example, in order to catch a murderer or something of that nature like they don't think they can force them to do. Again. Yeah. I'm talking about Western countries like. Not Necessarily, I don't know about the. United States. China Western country no. I'm saying not China Okay so Yeah I don't you're not talking about the United States I can't think of one instance in like Denmark maybe or someplace like that may be yes it's definitely like a western. country. Raton in the state of Denmark someplace where there's some level of supposed protection for for people and it's it's happening in the united. States that sort of thing too and this is just eating example of it just as the DA and the question is at what? Okay. So you're you're okay with you know maybe a block right I'm not saying. I understand. Okay. So I'm just saying that I'm taking the perspective from their side and trying to explain why it's probably going to be seen. What point where does it end? Does it does a good question arbitrary a mile is totally are what happens if. A. Building of I duNNo. Three thousand people in it and you want up walk right. So now all of a sudden you have data on, you know who knows how many people right you know. That you can you can pick from in order to frame effectively. It's a good sign that is not probable cause when you realize you vibrant. For every one guilty person you've also violated the privacy of two, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine innocent people right right doesn't constitute. Well, what do you think the judge is going to think? I. Say the judge has. Taken out I suspect as it goes up to the courts I think it will eventually be thrown out. So I think so I more coming up here in moments you can share your thoughts with us on. Geo Fence warrants. 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Did, turn out to be correct and about the police lying somebody the police basically bringing, washing, pleading guilty or taking a plea deal brainwash it's and intimidation too. Yeah. Intimidation hectic. Sometimes, it goes so far that into the territory of brainwashing people actually confess to things they didn't think they did it. They do it. Yeah. We've that they did it. I don't know brainwashing is totally the wrong word because. Coatings right word if you've been convinced, they believe they did it then yeah. I would argue with you if they're doing it just because they think it will be the easiest way out of a situation that's different. That's not brainwashing. The pump the problem is that there's certain tactics. They're not supposed to use anymore in a lot of places because it is affecting effectively whole people. Err. Until they are convinced that they did a crime that they didn't actually commit and that's how they get to guilty pleas not because they believe they actually did it well, originally anyone. All right. I told George that we knew one hundred percent without a doubt that is phone was at the shooting scene, the police report on nights murder states. George gasped instead said what this feels like a frigging nightmare. Melinda began to cry. So wait a minute in that case. That was true. Right. His was last seen it was manipulated but nonetheless Oh my God. This is insane as it turns out the police did not know one hundred percent without a doubt that his phone was at the shooting scene. So it actually wasn't the case even that they knew one hundred percent that his phone was up this evening. Let alone him so but they told them nonetheless that he you know they knew that it. Wasn't this case where he loaned the phone to the guy who ended up committing the murder assets, his phone probably was at the scene wasn't helped by him. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Anyway maybe it's just written, wrong? Yeah. I'm not. I'm not hundred percent serious as because that's how they found about him in the first place they went they went arrested him they put him in jail for six days and then he was like well, yeah. But it wasn't even my I wasn't there was my my buddy. Yeah. Then their phone Dessum, my God I, mean people do I mean I made if I factory reset I mean so so like I mean oftentimes like. People personal own funds will be in one person's name, but they're you know there. Are Kids or a partner or whatever, and that's. Actually. Yeah. Businesses to. I mean that's actually very common. superfly. That's super common lake like a probably almost ninety five percent of all plans. It's like it's in one person's name, but it's not really You know it's not really they're not all of the phones that are part of that plan our. Dot Persons hold that thought Chris and try to get gene the Christian anarchist on the line here gene are you with us I'm here we got you what's on your mind tonight. Is going to talk about the coming riots Oh really what's going on? Oh, you know people are. I think that trump is pretty much going to win this election, and after he does, there's going to be a lot of looting and burning and people are gonna be angry it's going to be a mess. I've never seen this kind of division before. In my lifetime and even even in the sixties, it was nowhere near like this. And it makes any difference whether it's trump because if trump wins the biden people are going think they were cheated and if Biden wins, the trump people are gonna think they were cheated but do you think they're going to riot I mean historically it's is like Well. Revolt. They've got guns unlike the liberals how long would our is a civil war going to last twenty minutes but wait a minute I mean historic may but do you think it's just this election that's going to push people into a revolt I mean that's historical. Not Happened in this hybrid the Oh, well, I mean historically revolts happened when they haven't happened for. Long eventually, you know if you keep turning up the pressure sooner or later. GonNa Blow True Yeah you dog into a corner. They'll eventually by no doubt no doubt. But I don't know if this is GonNa do it. We'll see I am I don't know either but I definitely along with. Your thought pattern here in wingers tend to be well behaved compared to. Because if and when they little, you're going to see something new because. You're talking about organized action by people many of whom are veterans And a lot of people are going to die very quickly and then they're gonNA, have a hard time dealing with all the people who surrender. It's it's not going to be so much organized because what'll happen you remember when we've had a few lone gunman go out there and take out some people and I would think that if Biden wins were probably going to see a lot more of that. But if trump wins and I'm pretty sure that he will I, think that we're gonNA, see the last rioting and burning this the. City's already the cities are born. Again I. Mean that's the. Difference between writing and a civil war and civil war you need actual organization and I don't think that's there. So do you think they're actually rigging it for trump or do you think they're gonNA fail to Reagan? There you know they cheat every time. We've we've seen voting fraud since since forever you know as long as there's been a vote, there's been voter fraud and voter fraud has been. Ramping up. It's getting a little worse each election. But I don't think that they have enough voter fraud to overturn the the right wing rage that's going on right now and the bounce back from these riots earlier in the year and I think the left is going to be shocked on election night. And they're going to be that much more angry. So. It doesn't. It doesn't look good to me. I got this feeling that you know the more the left goes you know the more radical the left gets the more pushback they're getting from the right and or from the people who are in the middle and end up you're going to end up with another you know another trump win basically because of it. And? We're we're also GONNA see some some some arrests being made because left the left people aren't very smart. They're online talking about how they're gonNA shut down all the major cities on November four already shut talk is cheap and actually doing actual action seems more. Shutdown people aren't even going to work. But it is they're supposed leaders. These are supposed leaders getting online saying we're going to send our group to do this. When you say leaders an ANTIFA leader or do you mean like a political leader different different DNC type groups you know the radicalized groups and they're saying and the leaders of those groups are saying, well, we're going to send these guys here and we're going to do that and we're GonNa shut down DC and the said the whole and they said that Interrupted your they said on September seventeenth. There was this the group that actually put together occupy their called ad busters. They had started promoting that they were going to occupy across the street from the White House for fifty days running right up until the election that never happened. It's August Shanahan. They didn't do it. I mean I think it. It's The occupy people like you know these guys have a history I figured they were going to do this. They didn't even try it. It's from what I understand. There was no news I looked on their website I looked on their twitter I look for some kind of evidence that somebody gathered in that spot they didn't even attempt. It just disappeared according to some of the bug boys that I talked to they a lot of them were intercepted on their way. So in DC readers didn't kind of didn't show up at the staging areas. Interesting. WHO INTERCEPTED FBI. And I hear these reports every. So often there was a report I heard yesterday somewhere I'm not even sure where it was they arrested some people in a van and they said there were explosives and they listed the explosives and it's the same bs every single time propane bottles, torches you know and they're saying these are explosives well, any construction worker. Driving down the road in their van is going to have those kind of things in their van. So all you gotta do is pull over somebody who's a construction worker and rip his truck apart and say, Oh, look, he's got this weapon and that weapon and these are terrorists, and so you think it's going to be a pretty dark post-election season. I think most people probably agree with you on this gene. I mean, think a lot of people are are expecting there to be some pretty crazy stuff. Definitely a lot of people agree with him on this. I think it's I think it's absurd. I think it's unlikely but you think it's unlikely that Antifa and the lefties are going to get into the streets if. I think it's unlikely the base of a war I think. Some writing is not I think all the calls for civil war or is more likely if the if Biden wind thank you gene for the call tonight I appreciate hearing from you. But that said, this whole civil war concept is getting a lot of media. So there's definitely some propagation for this idea out there. And that could be dangerous. There's more coming up. 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Anarchist did there in the last hour and call in through our Matrix chat server and you'll sound almost like you're sitting here in the studio with us it's Ian Nobody, and Chris, should you wish to get on that Matrix server just go to chat dot L. R. in Don FM, you'll get a Web page that will give you the instructions on how to get in there. That's Chat Dot L. N. DOT FM we've been talking about GIO fence. Warrants you brought up a story from was zero hedge I think Yasser about this and we were just we're speaking about what's the legality of these warrants and I sort of taking the devil's advocate side of the state's going to argue that this is a specific thing they're looking for in a specific place meaning Google servers information about certain area but it turns out they actually did go to court this year. So actually there sounds like there's at least two cases. What are what are they saying? What's what is if visit? So eff, put out a press release on July second this year. In regards to case out of San Francisco, that was supposed to be heard on August twenty fifth. So I looked a little further and I found a news piece from August twenty fifth, but it's not about San Francisco case. So I think there's more than one case that's playwright now. So make sense here is the actual ruling not the San Francisco case but on a different. this from a federal court. So it's just it's not even court of Appeals. It's still. Lower level right reports. I. Figured usually a good sign if it's if it's been thrown out of federal court. Yeah. So the story here from Bloomberg Law Dot com a Geo fence warrant applications submitted by officers investigating the theft of prescription drugs to obtain mobile phone location information from Google was denied as too broad by Federal District Court in Illinois in what is said is the first federal court case analyzing the fourth amendment requirements for Geo fence warrants the opinion by Judge Gabriel a few days of the US District Court for the Northern District of Illinois said, the application cast too broad a net to survive scrutiny. A geofencing offenses virtual fence around a particular location for particular times because the government knows that an unknown suspect entered two locations to receive and ship stolen medication, the investigators want Google to disclose anonymous data about cellphones within the specific areas for a forty five minute time period specific dates. So they can analyze the data and identify the suspect. Here's what I WANNA, know. How. Does Anonymous data. Allow them to not at Ollie's is. So it pseudo anonymous this really what you would say So you don't know J- just one set of data who it is maybe but by looking at two sets of data, then you can match it up and figure it out but the answer is say you have A token for each. For each possible suspect, you figure out which token represents. The person you think is a suspect and then get back to the bank and you say or you go back to the phone company and you say who was this token Gotcha? So they use the anonymous data say, Oh, this phone, whichever one this is crossed into the area of the crime directly. So we want to know who this person is. So they're arguing that because it's anonymous, therefore, it should be. Mean they don't have your data that's the problem though the. Invading everybody else's privacy in the process even if it's anonymous. Well. You are purportedly they don't, but they still have your data. It's like they have data about you without knowing that. It's you, right. Get information about you later just because just because you have something that's private line just because you don't know who I am doesn't necessarily mean it's not violate privacy just because you have a picture of somebody who is doing some sort of undress and you don't know you don't have their name doesn't mean that it's not invading that person's privacy if. It's the government, right so this is the third time that investigators have applied for the Geo fence warrants at the court. Each of the previous applications were too broad and although the government continues to narrow the scope, the application here is similarly broad. So this judge apparently is denied this now three times in a row these kinda surprising because judges have been like, oh, it's okay to search an entire apartment complex with twenty different apartments in it, and they've allowed those cases to be like Oh. Yeah it was. It was okay because a judge signed off on it even though twenty different apartments like that's not a specific place in thing to be searched, the application seeks location histories of all individuals who enter the fence without probable cause to justify accessing that information for most of them said the court although the information will be anonymous. The warrant also puts no limitation on the government's discretion about how it will go about selecting suspect it said the government's qualifying language in the application that it will only use the information. That will only use the information that quote identifies individuals who committed or witnessed the offense unquote spells out no procedure for Google to figure out who those people are said, the court although GIO fence warrants aren't categorically unconstitutional. Their applications must comply with the constitutional protections of individual privacy according to the court the government simply can't rummage where it pleases to see what turns up. So in this case, it was I. It's like saying somebody accessed. and. This is the crazy thing. The courts have routinely allowed abuse of the whole warrant system by shrinking. Okay. Well, there's a router at this location you know access Internet access and because the wireless. Had Open Wireless. So there's no password on it. Well, some neighbor could have access to it. So now all of a sudden, not only do they get to search the House that you know has the wireless access point but also the neighbor's house that's scary. Yeah, and this has been this has been this has been like okayed by. By judges, it's really DESCR dubbing so.

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"Hi, Leonard Baltin, and I'm Jesse Maltin reviving. Reviving Lloyd let me introduce you Norman, you beat me to the punch. I didn't mean to go ahead. Let all right. No, no, because it's you only you only you having reached the the majestic age of one hundred and three that I will defer to you introduce yourself again, please, sir. I am and Lloyd being Tele rated by linen more and his daughter who is a foldable persons. Well, you're, you're keen judge of of carrying character indeed. Well, we are just thrilled to be sitting here in the living room of Norman Lloyd, and if you don't know, Norman Lloyd, you're gonna learn about him in the next hour or so, and you're gonna learn that this is a man who has had the most remarkable eclectic career is a good word to use eclectic beautiful graduate. I've always admired you your choice of words when you right. Oh, but collective has never been used before in my collective pressure. Well, good score one for me. Then. This is a man who perhaps the only man almost certainly the only man who can speak first hand. About Charlie Chaplin Alfred Hitchcock. Shaun Rehn will Jean Renoir. Orson Orson Welles and Robin Williams. Yes, that darling man, that's how Jesse I encountered. You was in the movie dead poets society, which it's it's a funny thing because I don't. We've known you for a very long time and you are always lovely, and always this booming, incredible voice of God. But I knew you personally before I'd see new on screen and I remember the first time watching dead poet's daddy. He's so mean he so me. He scary. He's very in this. I'm so proud of that. It was a strange thing to to know you and see how you are. And then I think it was probably one of the first times I had that where I realized that an actor is really an actor and that they can be all kinds of different things when they choose to be. Dead poet's society, which was a very good picture. Wonderful. How do they great director Beata wheel. I cannot speak highly enough about Peter wheel. Wonderful. Talented, Ozzy what a talented Ozzy. Yes, you're right vented. Well, put he what we've had a couple of conversations pita an from Australia every once in a while the phone rings. That's nice. I'd love to do. Find a property. To do with Pedo. Peter would like to find a property to do with me. We've talked about it, but we have no look. Yet yet we are positive what I said yet yet. Thank you very about. We're not. We're not putting an end to that. That's let's right. All right. I keep searching. I tried to what blocks me from rarely finding property the bowl game every day. And the ball game comes on. And everything stops. I should. And you know, in my ancient age. The by train assays, you've got to walk slow bunch every day. You've got to do these physical exercise, Joe flow, and I think that's very good, very good advice. And in the course of the day, I eat show fourth. Doesn't the game gums. And I sit. Who is your team dodge dot? I did. I did see a dodgers beanie baby when came in, which is not something I expected. Dodges for me. Well, no amidst the Hirschfeld's and the photos of hitch and chaplain. And how spin and all of these people? No, I was not prepared to find a dodgers beanie baby. Remember something that this is going to take to the beginning. Right? Which is where you hail from? Yes, you sir. The dodgers hailed. That's right. A proud proud citizen of Brooklyn, New York. You couldn't tell from his thick, Brooklyn accent. That's that's question. Number one. Where did the accent Goto but let you it's very, it's not unusual for you to ask that not for you, but for one skit. Sure. About three weeks ago. I was by some theater group, the name of which I cannot remember. They stowed lifetime of war on me. In the cost of it. As they rose and tribute. It was beautiful. They rose in tribute of they cheered and everything. And I thanked them. I said. Real mind if I remember my Brooklyn. Oh, I don't. Oh, thank you. All my work in the theater. And then I added what you heard the way I pronounced there. I said that is a result of my working on my speech. Because what I entered LA galleons theater in nineteen thirty two. This is the great actress, Eva legal, Ian, right? The the actors. Laghaouat Stater was called. Civic repertory theatre, oh, was down on fourteenth street and sixth avenue. And she admitted me as an apprentice. At one day, she said to be raw. If you wish to be a member of my company, a. You have to speak better English. Well, I was from Brooklyn. You said, what for. I wish I thought of that. I gotta do such thing. That this is a smart girl? Yes, she is. You should carrier arou- onto. I. Here's the thing. Nineteen thirty two. I entered the civic repertory theatre. And I had Brooklyn speech. Actually, it was pretty bad, Brooklyn because the predecessor, the precocious of by Brooklyn speech was Jersey City, Pete. Hi, where I was born and enjoys you city. You spoke like jersey. So I would from jersey, said it to Brooklyn, and you know, I caught the ball games and you know the dodgers go all the way back with me and, and at as a kid broke from. You would go to Ebbets field. And you say you bomb, you know, good. F- bomb. I JJ cry, mad one. Hell you find another business. You're yelling at the players. That May June authentic fan, right? If you just sat there and say, he's had verbal, can hit, he can run, they can throw all good. I mean. My hero, even though I was a Brooklyn dodger. Babe, Ruth, his too. Yeah. Well, he transcends everything that you of utter a truth. He transcends everything. I could tell stories about the baby. We're not gonna go to. The thing is. One galleon. Issued this warped. About staying as an apprentice. I took it to heart and studied speech. With her people. She had a couple of actors who had beautiful speech because she was a classical repertory theatre. Shakespeare IP's, and et cetera. And. She was right. You couldn't play. A whole repertory of. Work. Less you could learn to speak. Show I shut about Lurton at I managed to get what has been called a mid Atlantic accent. If I got away Lynn, which I've done on the -cation they know I'm not in bliss. But they know I'm not jersey said he. You succeeded in your quest digested. Thank you. And I say the consequence. To play much classical theatre. In fact, my very last performance in the theater. You're never show I pronounced yet. It's beautiful. Was with Lou Cal Hearn and New York hook and Julius no gig, Leah. And I played the fool. I wish I wish I could step in a time machine and watch that performance with the two of you. Lou was other lay magnificent. He was. To perfectly. Yeah, first of all stature, he was about six five. And he had the voice to go with it. I had the attitude to go with it. In which connection I must tell you at your lovely. And average dot Lu. That's. What am I great theater remembrances. When we were doing king Leo we in, we're social. And you know the Stanislavsky rebulk. There are only there are no small polyps only small actors. Well, we're, we're in. We're SEL. Had there is an actress in the company. I don't think I should name, but there's an actress in the company who is doing reactions to lose beaches that are all over the fair. Mrs. Aged anyway, her. So he's doing that great lear- speech that ends how shop an acceptance to it is Joe have a thankless child. Out of the corner of is I, he sees this actress acting reaction all over the place. And he stops and there's magnificent voice. He says. Quota name. Idea. I want you to know. Small book. So. With the galleons and replied, your question. That I, I started to clean up my speech so to speak and learn how to speak in. So I was able to play many classics. Well, it stood you in good stead all this time. Thank your length of now. Since we're in talking about the theater in the nineteen thirties, it brings us to the first of the titans. With whom you crossed paths. And I'm speaking of Orson Welles that will talk about John houseman, his partner in crime, but Leonard you of made the proper correction. Because also and did his best work with Jack Ausman. Yes, I know many people feel that. Yeah. What was your first impression of Orson. Well, at curious, it was contradictory. I, he was, you know, a big fat guy. I all this hullabaloo about him. And. I, I met him when I always Jack Hausman who brought me into the mercury. And they brought me into this office and this was awesome. Had we chatted immediately took a very competitive attitude towards each other. Because I thought I was one of the world's great actors and also knew he was. And the egos, if so, clashed immediately. But the class was subterranean. It was a feeling about each other and of. A sub-conscious relationship with each other of. Of fall out of word. Show. I thought, what the hell job. At Gioja. She's a chew bankas holiday. I'd like to play it. So I better be polite. And also was polite except he sensed. He sensed. That I had an immediate competitive feeling about him. I won't say dislike, but there was no like. It was just competitive. If you're so good, let's it. Uh-huh. Did this. What by the way was my Brooklyn bringing up, you know, we'd play Punchbowl then f you, you. What do you think this spurred you onto. To do your best and to to want to show him. Well. In this sense? Yes, put the question. Well, because that may be explains why I I did what I did with my career. And we got on. And actually when I left the Mark mercury. Also was thinking of doing a Henry the full. And I came back to visit on one of his productions to visit the mercury guys and also. And he said to me in make up on stage effort of owns. When are you coming back? Which I consider that a compliment and very nice. His behavior was better than mine. Now. John passes. He doesn't do Henry the fourth at that time and I go onto things with it. So. There was a tribute. Play. At the mercury theatre for auction. Towards? Well, he was. Eight done a few years of work. Tribute at the theater. I was invited back each night was devoted to another aspect of all since Korea. I was invited back to the classical theatre. The early days the mercury and so on. And others came later. Now what was all over everybody dispersed and said, good night to goodbye. All on the stage. I went up to say to him. Braced me a great bay, a hug. Lean down. And wished. But in my. You son of a bitch. That's the last travels. Wow. There are no dull stories about Orson now. No. Now he was not dull, no people of a certain age. No, John houseman. Ironically, not as a producer, not as an entrepreneur, not as the head of the Juilliard school of acting, but as an actor himself in the movie, the paper chase, the TV series that followed in those endless commercials for Smith Barney where he said, they earn money the old fashioned way they earn it. So he had a latter day fame that I don't think he ever anticipated, but many people agree with you that he was really the man who sort of enabled Orson to do what he did both in theater and on radio and and many people who haven't studied history, don't know that. This is true. Hey. Relationship with houseman was strawberry. Because. It was routed and such. How to call it, their arguments they screaming at each other, there. Castigation of h. Was home Merrick. They would scream nearly other in the theater, the mercury, and I be great sports fan. I had a great time to. I'd take the paper and read because it was the kind of screaming near Lang, that sort of you didn't hear again or me was bad. But it was fruitful. And he never did it. Best work we ever did was with Jack Ausman because Jack Hausman was a man of the greatest take, and he did. He -nology had. He was unique. He was great. He should have been in the hall of fame. I don't know why that never happen, but I can never say enough about check-outs. Remarkable and the fact at the end that he had this careers night triumph. Yes. Well, he was a guest on a TV program that also was the host. Up at Alsan by way of teasing him, I guess, said to him, Jack, I, I didn't know your. I'm Jack said to him, you'll never asked me. Perfect. And then you while end up as a guest star in an episode of the paper? Chase, yes, indeed. No. Why did that happen? I don't know how that happened. It was. I'm curious, turn of events, the beginnings of which I don't remember what I'm. I'm glad that it's a wonderful little asterisk in your career. Yeah, the two of you got to work together one more time. Yeah, I love jackass Mun. He meant motor me that now must anyone I've ever known outside wild family? That's a big statement. Yeah. Now, the next big statement person we want to ask about is Alfred Hitchcock because this was in the very early forties you got cast. I mean you had done a couple of bit parts, I guess, but this is a sensually your first movie? Oh yes. Nineteen forty. Two. I came out here to do Sepetu. By the way. Recommended to hit tho the polit. By Jack council. Now, the interesting thing is. Both Jack Hausman. And hit. Well, under contract. To David l. shell snick. And. Hitch, went off on zone. Jaxkar bowl was producing shutt-, but hitch as houseman. If he knew of young actor who could play this saboteur. And Hausmann immediately recommended me. Identified that morning of going over to here. I think eight o'clock in the morning, just research. And. We had a conversation and hit it off, like Hamon aches. I just was perfect from Nord go. That you showed us a photo. In your office over there. It's you and hitch an. I've never seen him that young. I mean, you're a baby face as well, but I've never seen him that young and it's wild. You already looked connected. You already. You said you've just gotten back from filming saboteur. It's, it's incredible to think that that you were part of his. Is movie making that early. This country. He made wonderful pictures in England. Yeah, but then he came to rely on you. Then as with Joan Harrison, we did TV series. And when did he start looking to you. For advice at different as more than an actor. Yeah. Well, I tried to. And I used as I did Wellstone same, I'd have come sations of the set. While we're waiting for the shot. And just Chang. What I felt about a shot, whatever. And gradually the fellas. Would he. I didn't want to use the word help. It's not help an assistant to just be there. And. It happened on shatter where I play the shop. But what hitched liked was that I had all these opinions. Certainly about. Acting particular scenes. So. So he remembered that. And when Lou awesome. Who was the major figure in this town. As hitch to do a television program. Hitch agreed and sent for Joan who had been. He's script girl and England, and then. She advert and the script for him. And I think she wrote were one of the Registan, Rebecca, and then the case on one of the pictures and. They felt they needed help. Oh, I know show he and Joan did the television series the first two years. And they, you should do thirty nine episodes Aghia which is unbelievable. It is just the two of them. Show, they decided they needed help. That's when they put me on. Would joan. The beautiful trauma lately and a great talent. I the great talent she knew about pictures. She knew how to handle the set. She'd walk on the set in the morning before going to office to check everything. The crew Dora because we beautiful and very elegant. Great. Ulama gal Quadra lady ally. I assume they knew she knew her stuff. She knew her stuff and the crew must have known that let you put it right that they'll love that. I did it again, did it again. This never happens at home. Enjoy it. Now it'll be over snow, never happens at home. I good nece. You hit the nail on the head. But you never could have. Surely you couldn't have envisioned that you would go through life being. Identified as the man who dangles off the statue of liberty in saboteur. And that's your very first movie. It's incredible. You're a New Yorker, no less. So all the things to dangle from. That's that's that's city pride. There. Yes. Dying golfed statue of liberty. I'll take you see a picture I have in the back of me inside the head of the real statue of liberty. With all, try by the photographer. Maybe I think he took it. Let's say he did say he did that. I'm I'm inside in the most composed Fash. I look really dressed. I'm just a guest inside the head of the statue, but a statue was always a dead, defy with me and. -able noble defecation I could not possibly. And what a way. I mean, what do they say? What do you do for an encore? And that that is I hell of debut. But then within just a few years, you had another great assignment for Lewis milestone who you mentioned before in one of the great World War Two movies, a walk in the sun and that film holds up one hundred percent. Oh, it's so beautiful. I think let it. Harry Brown. Terrific, right. Millie, the way he staged the way he conducted with the actors. I love Millais. He was. What the guy fell on short of hard times at the end. I think that to do with the political thing. Well, that was true for so many. Yeah. Yeah, so many that you knew? Well, many of your contemporaries dealt with that in a very serious way. I can't. I can't imagine first of all working in film as long as you have and seeing how drastically that's changed because you're still filming now. Creek drain, Rick trade. Any of the stuff you're working on, it's the idea of your history is not just history, but it's also to do specifically with this medium. We live in, you've seen it shift in such dramatic ways. And then you've worked with people like Charlie, Chaplin. Oh, so to say that, I mean, too young person, if you say yes, he worked with Charlie Chaplin was and was very dear friends with him. And then two issues ago made a movie with Amy Schumer. They may not understand that that's a part of you. You will do anything really true. Oh. Tuck break. Can you imagine being shocked at the age of one hundred? Three? Sure. Amy Schumer. Did it. Did she remind you of chaplain water mouth on. Oh boy, but I love. Oh, I love it. But. You don't know what's gonna come out mouth. Now, from what I understand you I met Charlie Chaplin socially, not professionally. I, I met him. As follows. I was Joe. Cotton's playing tennis. Joe would have tennis on Sunday. This is the same. Joseph. Part of the mercury theatre, oh yes. And is in citizen Kane? Those of you who know that film, Joe was the most beautiful people I've known. I'll tell you something that great picture of Carol Reed. The third man, third man, which is always sort of said, oh, well, also did that wonderful thing with the wheel and all that. No. Oh, should very interesting work, but that picture is Cup. The way he goes through that picture is just extrordinary and less shop hero waiting for the woman to walk by them on all that gets me every time every time. Joe was just what? So he was an avid tennis player. Yeah, he liked to play and have tennis. Pretty good, wasn't. Above like me. I had a gang not I play with your own show. But the point is that. I got to. Always Joe's on a Sunday. And one of these tennis days we played and at that game was a great tennis player. Great friend of Bill Tilden's name, Kim to round who was of very dunning what I say stunning. He was a man of the twenties really addressed that way. And he behave that way, and he was a great friend, great, intimate of limited group of people, one of whom. Was joke up. And so he was there for tennis when I play that the end of it, he sent to me. Would you like to play next Sunday Saturday. Charlie chaplin. And I thought, oh my. Because you've got on the stand. I don't know about you is baby, but about me, I would sit and a high Chas I call them what the tray. Now, India, by the way they would quiet me which put a little Charlie Chaplin whom they wound up. The walk. Did Cain. Oh God. I mean, history was being made. So. I. What I got a little sense into my head. I shut up really hit me this. Great. This act. Who ever lived. And I mean that it a very calculating fashion. No one was ever shot. He was world famous in a way that no one of it was and what he acted was breathtaking. You could tell you a great story about the Jin ski who came to this country. Would laugh. And. They were in New York. Did show that they then moved to Chicago. Did they show that? And then they came out here and the Jin ski expressed a wish. The one thing he wished was to be Charlie Chaplin. So that was a raid. He came out to the set. Charlie, put them next to the camera. Charlie was shooting shorts of the time and the shore. One of my favorite things of all time is short, Charlie's joy, on-road skates. The rink the rink and skating is on believe, you know, it's all dubbed, but it can't be because he scathing one like in the one behind them one up on his ear, I mean, unbelievable. And in the midst of it, he he is terrible solving. Oh. And your looks around. She's Jin skiing. Oh. Oh, I skate. So ver Jim ski, ginger ski. What is it? What is it that somewhere in south of do go, no. No, no. You're so funny. It's most rushing story. I know. Oh, jolly to that story. So. I about the tennis. So the following week, I was instructed by Tim Durant how to get trolleys house. Admit. The butler. Now child as Buth. Whose name was what's them. You know. The scheme of things where it's called the Butler, did it. Mhm being, yeah, the Butler that was Charlie's, but what's. Who is the ultimate snob. Hey, look down on Charlie and. Who shall beautiful as a couple God. Jolly wants to me. I never knew what love was to lie. Do this woman. Beautiful. We will coming up tennis court, our member anyway. What happened was that. Watson admitted me for all this all basically. Oh, I think I told her about lady mental. Watch them had been lady mental Butler ID thought that gave better is the chaplain. So he was very small, but you're chopping. Charlie knew it hadn't loved it because he, he would do things that would irritate what's. Fun show. I went to the caught. Up there on the tribe and. I shut went down to what was tennis house and sat there waiting at Suren of jolly Cayman. Greeted everyone very politely. Then we got on the court. Have we played doubles. I think Bill Tilden blade with John. And. I played with Jim or something, whatever. We show I left. The following week. Tim gall. Would you like to go up to Charlie's again? I said, yes, I would now this first venture. I had no come sation with Johnny toll. Yes. Nice to meet you and was over. Thank you very about until. So now this was the second. At this time he was. Oh, nice to see you again. And. We got on played. And. I had a good time we talked. He played with someone else. I'd never played with Charlie at this point. Show he played with the play out, and I played with someone. Probably, no. He was playing with chairman. I had someone else and. That was the second time. In the middle of the week. Next week, there is a call from Watson. Could you come up and play tennis with Mr. chaplain. Yes. I felt advantages to be out of work actor. Show I went up and it was just Charlie. He was most gracious at. I said, how nice it is that you could play today. I'm so glad, and we played. After it, we went up to his study which was a son house. And he had his old fashioned. I did that. And had just drink of sold. Oh, whatever. I'm from narrow, and he kept calling every week to come up and play. And weekends. Gradually it developed into a shallow thing. The two of us. Conversations about the world. And productions making movies at cetera, et cetera. And it got mobile intimate. Finally, he said, would you like to invite your wife up for dinner. Becky came up and she knew hit it off like ham aches, and it got to be a great friendship with Peggy and own had they can often. That was it. And then eventually he hired you. He only hired me as an actor. We own the property together. He wanted to make, which I recommend it to him. They shoot horses, don't they all. Oh, my now. One day he said to me. I remember where it was up sweet his house. We check in the show have to tennis. And he shed. No. As anything that you'd like to do. And if there is, you know, and. We might do it together. I almost fell down in shall well show was no, but I mean room. And I thought, gee, you're making a picture with Chaplin. That's the sum of something. Show I recommend that they shoot horses, don't they. Where she knew he knew the piece. And I thought if anyone in the world should make that picture. That should be jolly because he would know the background like. Perfection. Notable Horace McCoy's book. Yeah, but it's such a downbeat. Property. I can understand why Hollywood wouldn't have snatched it up, and it was still downbeat when they made a wonderful movie, but it's tough movie to watch. Jolly was go to accept. He got involved Ed writing. Limelight. Has absorption was in limelight, because limelight represented to him. His own ending. Yeah, he was a jolly. It library says it's over for me. I can't do it anymore. That's what's so beautiful about that picture. His confession. That it's over for. Show movie. And I was very proud of the fact that the asked me to be in it. And. He was great. I mean. History. Certainly it was history even then Jesse and I often use the same phrase. It's not history logging while you're making it. But in this case it was street while he was making it because it was so personal and yeah, guess she, it wasn't. Just the tramp. Every no actor and the pictures about an old active Fe out, which was Charlie because after limelight is beautiful film, beautiful, but then Charlie got involved in two other properties. I don't know what that all that was and that didn't work that it was. Just forget it. Although I must tell you why went to visit him, but it was making. That's what's. How does from Hong Kong account as Hong Kong? Yes. I fell madly in love which he Laura. Well, that just shows there's red blood coursing through your veins, fell common common feet. And. Ball london. Verano. Gybe advert. And. Marla new new jolly. Show all I would just sitting on the set. He came over me up. I don't get as a message. And I didn't say anything, but I thought to myself use all of it to your dying day. You'll never get his message and that was it. Marlon Jesus. It's a shame it's a film is kind of a missed opportunity. Too bad too bad. But so we, I know fans and scholars even we prefer to think of limelight as his finale. Yeah. Well, there's also the the king of New York. That's the other one he made. Yeah, overseas. That's pretty good too, but limelight just seems like a of a summing up. Yeah. Beautiful. It's just the perfect picture of actor retiring now, television open new doors for a lot of people gave work to a lot of actors, certainly and opportunities to a lot of young up and coming directors writers producers and to people of experienced like yourself, and you had many great opportunities. Thanks to television. Well, yes. I the fact that I was lucky enough. Well, the two things about television in by case. Well. The Alfred Hitchcock percents and elsewhere. Now, I think change elsewhere was one of the greatest shows ever done television. My wife and I would second that opinion. The Jess. He was too young. She has an actual excuse. He was too. Yeah, I'm glad shaman Joe life, but. Shea belch wet. The writing was the stall. Then the actors were a good cast. We had Ed Flanders one of the finest actors in America, a superb act up. I used to tell the young actors who came on set, watch him, do what he does the way would do scenes at is dial and so forth. Billy daniels. Who of course see Jesse knows him both from seventeen seventy six a show and film we love and from his later. TV mainstay. Oh boy meets world boy meets world their world. What's going is called boy meets world and he played Mr Fini who was a teacher and I, I was I was obsessed with the film. Seventy was am obsessed with the film seventeen seventy six. But we also love the show and I listened to the cast recording over and over again. It's one of my favorites, but so the first time that I saw him, I said to my mom, oh my God because it seventeen seventy six. And the next time it was, oh, my God is Mr Fini from this show and anyone. My age has a similar reaction because a lot of times you watch you watch seventeen seventy six in school. I think we watched in fourth or fifth grade, so that's a lot of people. My age knew that, but then boy meets world was huge was so popular for us. But you had at Herman to love him who is just so wonderful. Absolutely. And and that young Fola what's his name? All right. Denzel Washington. Oh. That's my mom says, Denzil mother can make anything Jewish or or Yiddish. She social say all that Denzil. I know not Denzil. You didn't find him in the Bronx? Not Denzil. That's all right. You tell your mom. She's right. She's right. Denzel denzel's love. That's the stencil benzel. And how he Mandel made a big hit in that show. It was a marvelous ensemble. Marvelous. And. Tom, Fontana of Bush. The head writer wrote some beautiful stuff, but they my character of the old, whatever. And he wrote beautiful stuff that I would do that Flanders marvels. Joe, that was my big television experience except is director and producer. I did the Hitchcock right now. You directed an episode of famous episode call the man from the south right with Steve McQueen, right. Not yet a big movie star, but on his way up the ladder. Right? And the great Peter Laurie, and it's a great, it's a great episode. Wonderful. And they are. They're just right. Oh, he was amazing. I found a way to direct Jim wish not to just leave him alone. Guy is magic. What. Fantastic. Yeah, Peter, Laura, I was. Always curious as to what he was. What was his background who you are. Someone told me he was Jewish now. Hey, look as far away from any synagogue because I've. They would never admit him. And there's an interesting. Yes. And you were in the remake of them? Yeah, I think is a pretty good film. Yeah. Another great cast. David Wayne, every character actor in Hollywood, seemingly. Joseph losy directing, and some people are dismissive of it because they're comparing it to a masterpiece. That's right. That's the thing I do. Joe very well from the time. He, I put me on the WPA. And when he was having a hard time. And he got this assignment to do 'em again. I thought. Why try to do the repetition of one of the really real masterpieces. It's an unbelievable movie that long. Shall we made it? And you know it's passable but not comfortable. I'm sorry about that, but Joe got going when it got to Europe. Yes. And he had a second life there. Yeah, and creatively. I think second life yet as well. You got to. I'm sorry, what? What was the? What was the first time you directed? Was it a show, or was it a film or TV show like stage or. I take her was in the data. Yeah. Stuck. Good place to start. Yeah, yeah. Where I don't know because I wanted all over the place. Right, but we stock. Yup. What do you think you took from me? And that's the thing I can't. I can't imagine you talk about your friends, hitch and chaplain as you're talking to us in, you're saying Charlie in that way that someone who actually knows him can say Charlie where I can't say that because I don't know Charlie, but what, what did you learn from them when you were directing? Did they have an effect on the way that you directed being around those kinds of? I'm sure being around Orson Welles had some effect in that you knew not to shout and scream it. Everybody. Well, what all Sion. His direction was all performance. Oh God. He would act this that. But we put up, we knew that the critics would love him and audience we do. It was going to be a success. And he was, yeah. But I don't know where I, I started to worry. It's in the back of my mind somewhere, but I can't remember. No, I've been in this business loan. Why I'll give you. Truth to tell. Not to quote me. Never eliminate this from the buff Scott. I can't remember at least half the things I did. That's really fair though. I think if you've only got so much room for everything. The old noggin, yes, is one hundred and three years of stuff in there. Stuffing stuck xactly. Now. When you, sorry, please. I've just going to say when you did occasionally direct one of the Hitchcock shows. You only had a couple of days to turn that around. Oh, yeah. That just in addition to the fact that they do used to retain Lee thirty nine episodes year, which nobody does any show today going when they go over twelve, it's a miracle. Yeah. What we did what I came on, they stopped doing thirty nine but we went to thirty seven. Oh, that's easier. Thanks guys. But again, you had to turn them around and such rapid order. Oh, yeah. So you had to be really prepared. Yep. Yes. I'm trying to think. I had to wonder if we had a wonderful crew. And the crow crew is very devoted to Joan. Who is I said, I was very beautiful, very feminine, and. What you say to the pro smoking cigarettes, you know, show full so on. Yeah. Yeah. But as I indicated. When Eric ambler. Oh, wonderful. Terrific guy came into life. You're in Graham Greene, as you put it out. You said he this story right. He and Graham Greene changed the whole format. So to speak. But he's a beautiful guy. Beautiful man style, hopefully. She began to drift off. She which unloved, and. Daily daily appearance which try. She was entitled, yeah, she was well, you worked with one more giant. We have to discuss casts a big shadow Martin Scorsese in the age of innocence. What what? What does he like on the set? I've, I've interviewed him. We've seen him being interviewed. He so articulate and talking about films he loves and we know that he's meticulous in his preparation. What's he like on the set. On the picture I did with him. He was very polite. Very quiet. Very withdrawn and the sentence. Let it all just spend out of it. So. He. Eighty one set to me because. He wasn't a be standoffish, shouldn't watch it develop. And he said, what did usually almost by way of apology? Usually I much close on the set and mall widow. I think he should it that way. That I have been on this picture. And I found him very polite. Very. Creativeness sensiti would say, that's it. That's let's go with it so forth. But he was not articulate nece sense of. Some directors Ovalles show. Mention, I should say, what nameless? Yes, yes. Who. Talk talk, talk, talk. No, that was not SCO Seiichi when a, what? What me another of your more recent credits is one that I like very much in her shoes directed by the late hard to say it because I knew him the late Curtis Hanson. He was beautiful. It was terrible. It sure was we made the picture. The next I hear he's dead. How did this happen? Yeah. And I must say, I admire what you were able to do in that movie because you play a hospital patient, ten, nine, yes. Blind hospital. Patient tended to by Cameron Diaz lucky man. Don't forget. I was in bed with. He's jealous enough Norman, don't rub it in. That's one of his crushes. You can't read that. Good taste. Good cakes. Thank you. But. Oh, I'm reindeers and I were in bed together. I thought. Maybe we don't have to shoot this. I loved him. But what I found interesting is to act while being bedridden essentially has got to be really tough and blind and blind booth. But I mean you're the idea is you have to project energy for your performance. When you're in a position where normally it's, it's rest. Yeah. And even lethargy. Yeah, but but no, you found that sweet spot in between, you know. What interesting that that was talk of my being nominated for an Academy Award, supporting actor, all that and never happen, but there was talk of it while they should've talked more. Thank you. Which I liked it. I thought it was good nights. Thought. I found him most. Enjoyable. Lovely. Curtis was very special guy. Yes. You're right. A film buff of the highest order who became a very gifted filmmaker. I didn't know he was a film. Oh, yes, absolutely. And then he became honorary chairman of the UCLA film and television archives. So that was a great. They were lucky to have him, and he was a great person to represent them for any of you that don't know if you look up these LA archives. They do fantastic work really, really do. Yeah, they work hard and it shows by very DEA. Dale friend, Bob get is also connected what they all. Yes, he's retired now, but boy, his work lives on all the films. He rescued all the films. He brought back to life plus the archivists the film Graham delusion. It's interesting. Awesome said that if a decree, one, fourth, all foods to be destroyed. The one film that should be preserved his grand Lucien all he wasn't wrong about that. The picture is. On believable if you watch it how he got red wa. Not on the screen. The attitudes. The not only performances, but. The way of life. The people. I mean everything about it is so remarkable and some great performances. Yeah, to be sure of Eric von Stroheim with the whisky and drawing his neck back. He. And for neighbor to my acted in the theatre. Play, call, Noah. Great, ACTA. Great actor for may. And we haven't mentioned the fact that you became very close to John Renoir during his exile here during the war. And then when he moved here permanently the Los Angeles, I love John way. Did. Very proud of the fact that he asked me to directors last picture Corolla. Have you seen? I have not embarrassed to say lizard account role, whom I, what am I foam madly allow. Not alone on that one either. I said, you're not alone on that one either. Oh, God. So beautiful in it and a wonderful person. Oh, eventually move to Europe. And as our grandmother, she moved to Europe to be without grandkids. But she was executed in Corolla as she was. I think it's so many thinks she did. But she was a great favourite of your house. Ause. And. A letter that I think for the record, I should tell you one of my favorite scenes was your own. He was making. Of a picture made he at the southern. And this leads. Zack, Scott and Betty field who was may just on Broadway. There's a scene in that. Well, they are very poor people, but two of them and they have a small patch of land. They have to rage raise vegetables on it and order to eat. And see. Little dog. A small dog gets. Oh, no. In this scene, a cow gets into this piece of land and begins to Trimble on the vegetables. This was life threatening. What did y'all. Was he has a little dog come in. Balk at the cow making the cow run out of the patch and into the river. Which story that follows them into the river. Well. That was a problem. Because they would put the cow into the scene. With all the vegetables and everything. Trample. How would we munching away. They would put it in this puppy who was to frighten the cow to walk into the river. So they put the puppy and. And should stop to shoot the pope is scared to this of the cow, and it runs out of the shot. So they catch it. JAL, we'll do it again. On the fifth take. Making no progress with this puppy who would run out of the shot every sheen the cow go boo. Boo. Finally on the fifteenth. Put the cow in. The puppy runs out starts to run out Sean, catches it. Throws it back into the scene and says it. Wa was one of the most beautiful people. I have not. I'll repeat that. You're all run will how is run. Beautiful people I've ever known. He was. Everything you would hope to meet in this business. Dreamy. I don't live my life. With a feeling of envy. I'm very happy with my life, and I feel very fortunate with what I've been able to experience the people I've gotten to meet. But but I have to confess norm that if I could trade places with anyone, it might be you even if I had to lose a Brooklyn accent in the process, what would have to. Yeah, absolutely. Galligan wouldn't have it any other way. Yeah. And Jesse and I, I've been so looking forward to this opportunity to just sit and and hear some of your memories, some of your stories. Yes. Curious thing. As I indicated earlier. I can't remember everything I've done. I just don't I the day I suddenly came across something that reminded me I had made to pick to job McRae. I love Joel McCrea. He was a wonderful guy gorgeous anyways on all the greatest seen you could shoot Phil. Oh, it was beautiful with a lovely why Francis de? Oh, so beautiful. Perfect for Joel who's a giant, and she was teeny weenie. Well, yes. If you're wondering folks, did Norman ever make a western? Yes, I did a couple of them. I did a couple, and then there was one I was taken out of. Because the first scene. Was a charge by us. We would have these. They do the the first take. All of us have. On these horses and director says, well, folk out a lot been. And I forgot up holding onto the pummel for dear life. Well, that's not a western strong. And that was the end the my performance out. You had other fields to plow? Yes, yes, we're glad you did. Chee. This has been fun. Jesse, how? How do you feel thank you for letting us in your house? People don't let us in their house. No, it's it's so love you to welcome us in and show us your pictures and tell stories it's it's fantastic. We appreciate it so much Norman. Well, it's been a long life. Yes. A long life in a full life and you and Peggy were married seventy seventy five seventy five years. Yeah, you've got grandkids in the whole you've you've done. You have done it, sir. Yeah. And at ain't over yet. Right. The chicken would my grandkids. Yes, I'm sure. I'm sure my Jesse named after you. Thank you. Doing very well as y'all of as an immigration. Very proud of him because God is shaved a lot of people. It's very important. We need you AFA back again. Yes, I often think about that, but we quote him, we quote him a lot and a lot one. Yeah. How old was he? Mid eighties. Say eighty seven. I think something like that's right. It was how old eighty-seven Amir tad pole? Yeah, Amir tadpole compared to you. I wish stayed on. Yes. Well, I do too. Yes. Wonderful Levy was immigrant. I think that's the only good thing for law. The be, hey. Yeah, those people and doing good work. Doing doing well by doing good, doing good by doing well, those those those are real. Yeah. Anyway, Norman, we won't say goodbye. We'll say, do you. That's French is in. I think chairman, I think it's German Italian, be careful. I, I always aim my mother. You can't be surprised. No, I know where you get it from me. Oh, mom. Give numb, I will anything less than love. She hit me over that. That's what that's the best description of my mother. I think I've ever heard me over the head. Yeah, I tell you. London amazing of I've. I mean that woman is violent, no, no, no, no small. She's a great partner. She's small that that's how that's how we, yeah, she's a little Bronx bombshell. Well, that's that goes type o type troublemakers. Yeah, but we've got some good ones so Jesse, where do people find us follow day find you and me at Leonard Maltin than at Jesse? Maltin on Twitter and Instagram, and Leonard Maltin dot com. You can read movie reviews and book ups. We have few more book around up's going on, and it's a really neat pieces. Thank you. What did you say. I 's head. You can go to Leonard Maltin dot com. That man on the Interweb you can go to Leonard dot com. Going to him on the phone. Yeah, because you're a VIP. I can't do the internet. Have you don't have to? I resisted the region. I don't do. Is. No, I heard this. I like carrier pigeon put a little note on a carrier pigeon off. It gets yes, very environmental violently friendly done. My son who's quite wonderful. He came in and took away all my internet stuff. He doesn't want it now. I said, why don't you take it? He said, because somebody might get hold of it when you didn't know about it. He had one been cop. So he broaches everything. From a Cup side at youth? Well, well, there's a lot to be concerned about their. It's true. He's not wrong. Is it true? Yes, I'm afraid so. So we're going to say goodbye to you folks and thank you for listening and thank you again Norman for being our guest, and we'll see next time. Thank you.

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Full Cast And Crew Episode 24: Zardoz

Full Cast And Crew

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Full Cast And Crew Episode 24: Zardoz

"Are you going to Johnson? Yeah. We throw some clips up. I have the bizarro. Tacked on opening somewhere. Which is. A good place to start cryptic opening. Yep. Have that Gorman? You have a chance you don't have to cough this time. But can you speak? Yeah. How's that? Sound sounding good you mind. Yeah. How's that? Good. Oh perfect. That sounds great. Could everybody sounds good? No, everybody sounds great. Great. Okay. Retracts of audio recording tracks of audio recording. Whatever we have a third party gets very nerve making. Does that does you know, we never we never really did it before this way? We're not particularly technically not technically data. But you know, we figure we figure it out. All right. I'm ready when Chris kicks off with your full cast and crew open will you we are Jason, and Chris, and we are full cast and crew we present. Now, the story full of mystery and intrigue diapers and bandoliers most ironical it is in a seemingly inevitable fictional future. So none of these events will actually occur since Sean Connery is now retired, and you poor creatures who conjured you out of the clay. Is God in show business to spoiler? No, no, she gave that up years ago. And she's now a instructor who does two shifts a week at the Brooklyn food op good end. Thank you, Chris. My name's Jason. And we are here today to discuss czar does a film, so bizarre. I will now give a brief description for those people who have not yet had the pleasure of experiencing. This unique film in the future. As it is now comes a male Barbarella, his singlet Dauth protests too much under the girth of his guess like hanging ball and tackle the most dangerous man in Hollywood had always been a director coming off a box office and critical success in the eyes of the tabernacle in charge of the Hollywood vortex. You see this man. And it's usually a man can do wrong one such man was English director John Gorman who after three Oscar nods for nineteen seventy two's squealing Lee successful Burt Reynolds, rafting gothic deliverance could do as he wished to the Lanc lifeless bodies of Hollywood's apathetic, and so he did a second level duty on it called czar. Does a film about a futuristic band of immortals who share? Get to live forever, but can't alas get it up or on the immortals live in the vortex some kind of floating mirror and inflatables. Fantasy land of batik garments and loose breasts in the forbidden sectors below them slaves, toil raising crops to make green bread and kill overpopulating. Irish travellers at the behest of a floating Tiki mug from the hooky Lau Polynesian restaurant and lounge also known as czar Dallas into this phrase step Zad cod piece delivery system portrayed by mid career. Slumping Sean Connery much like a long second weekend at your mad. Rich uncles country estate in the cuts world's much of what unfolds necks involves the pursuit of life bodies around statuary, pretentious displays of knowledge amateur acting riding horses by torchlight a visit to Thomas Dolby, she blinded me with science video and lots and lots and lots of breasts liberated from their restrictive, garments Zid introduces male sweat into the vortex shatter mirrors. Illusions destroys the crystal. God head. And freeze the immortals to the sweet release of death as the exposes Ardoz for the fraudulent huckster his head scarf in Disney's pirate adventure facial hair. Telegraphed him to be right from the beginning. And in the end, the two highest paid stars fucking a cave to Beethoven and in a poor man's version of two thousand one star child made it to the wizard of Oz. Ashes to ashes checks to checks, and then I looked up the definition of portmanteau Fini Bravo now, we're joined today by special guest on the pod friend of the pod friend of mine new to you. Chris Gordon Ramsay. Welcome gordon. Thank you Jason. Now. Gordon, a lot of people listening around are probably surprised that you don't have an English accent. Yeah. Thank god. Damn chef I should probably say that Gordon is also known as no not that Gordon ribs, you share the name with the British chef. But you are not the British stuff. You are in my little description. I have here. Now, you're a Staten Island. Born former child actor turned writer content, creator stand up com-. Actor Ethan Hawke stand in most recently on pulse. Raiders I reformed. Wow. Former art handler father comic book obsessive collector of pinball, enthusiast and motorcycle rider. Wow. You pretty much got it. We had Gordon come on today. Because Gordon is one of those guys who has an encyclopedic recall of comic books horror movies rock music. And as I was talking to Gordon over the last few months and talking about the podcast one word kept repeating czar dos dolls for the movie, or as I would say Sean dolls now, Gordon, you might not be aware. But the comic styling of my description of the movie in no way, traditionally represents my actual opinions or feelings for the film. So I don't want you to think you're stepping into an arena where we're gonna we're gonna trash an artifact as worthy of discussion as czar dos is that is not the case good. Yeah. It was afraid you were going on that. So when did you first encounter this unique and strange film in that era of filmmaking? Earl. Early. Seventies is like, no other. I was the perfect age for that. It was quite young seventy four seventy three seventy three. There's there's a short list of films that affected me more than any others. Zara as way up on top of that list. It's a, you know, these dreamlike films that as a kid it didn't need to make sense to me. Just it just it. I just felt there was like David Bowie song. You know, you feel what it's about. And it was just the right kind of strange, you know, and the whole way it was laid out with flashbacks to are we doing spoilers here or. Oh, yes, Chris Christie. I spoil every spoil everything even even things that aren't movies even things that don't have stories doesn't matter spoil them now in nineteen seventy three how old would you have been in seventy three high was seven, so I guess your parents had a pretty liberal policy regarding exposing you to naked women the movies that you that you've got to see back then were typically the four thirty movie, you know, that's where I saw the whole. Planet of the apes series. Mega man Rollerball actually Rollerball had not come out yet with James Caan. Yes. Great movie seen it. He has. Yeah. Another recurring trope on the podcast. Chris hasn't seen anything. I mean, it seems like just a smaller thousand. Two thousand the originally. I haven't seen that in years Rose Bowl is more of a social satire than a corporate kind of evil conglomerate film, but he's forced into the sport. And it's kind of like a Ideo Crecy almost will John houseman is like, you know, he's corporate is the owner of the country the country corporation. Yeah. He's corporate president yet. The four thirty version of czar does is like fifteen minutes. Yeah. I'm wondering is it clear or less clear? I don't know. Well, you know, that's the thing about this. I I actually I consider the movie to be a masterpiece, of course, I just I just love this movie. Listen, I think that the movie I was thinking about this. As we watch a lot of movies. And czar does in the if it's discussed it's discussed as sort of all my God, you have to see how crazy whacked out this movie it is and yet when you look into this era of film science fiction films. There are so many movies that you've never heard of and never seen and never will hear of. And we'll never see for movie to rise above all of that. And have a place in the firmament is worthy of note. And Zara does have a lot of things going for it. Not least of which of course, knowing me. One of my main obsessions in life is the film two thousand one space odyssey, which shares never heard that didn't know that. I didn't even know you've seen it. It shares a cinematographer with czar dos, Geoffrey Unsworth autograph, both films. Anyway, let's start by showing a clip which will be a little bit Representative of what happened to the film after it was made the film begins. I am afraid and does I've lived three. Hundred years, and I long to die. A death is no longer possible. I am a molten I present. Now, my story fool of mystery and intrigue rich in irony and most satirical, it to set deep in a possible future. So none of these events have yet occurred, but they may in this tale I'm fake God, by occupation and magician by inclination. I am the puppet master. I'm going to let many of the characters and events. You will see what I'm invent to to for your entertainment, and amusement, and you for creatures who conjured you out of the clay. Is God in show business to Bormann was asked to add this because the studio felt that the film without it would be indecipherable and with it. It's in design for one actually money things up in the commentary track. He made it sound just him being gentle sounded that. He was like, oh, boy, maybe this is a bit much. Maybe if I TAC this onto the frontal make it a little bit clearer. Yeah. Either way. There are details in there that do make sense. Once you've seen everything else in some ways that should be at the back of the movie, he's got just so much stuff in there. I'm more confused going into the actual action. Then I think I would have been if it had just started with men in diapers shooting the Easter Island in the commentary says that it tested where the audience was confused. So he said, so I thought what I'll do I'll put this attack this on. And I wonder if he got any response from it from the audience after that perfect. You nail the did. I mean, they. Already gone home. By to me. What's the weirdest thing about this open? Is it just gives away the whole central conceit of the film? You're about to watch and it robs the moment later on in the film where czar does is unmasked. It is the reveal. Yeah. I mean, isn't the whole point that you're supposed to figure out at that moment that we're watching essentially a portmanteau of two thousand one and the wizard of Oz. But this just tells you that right away the top. He says I'm a fake you can't trust me. Then I'm dead here. Here's my tale. Like, yeah. With a mustache and beard drawn on a strange detail, which again, there's so much going on there all contributes to the whole milieu of. And I never see. This large part of me is an eight year old thing that probably helps the logo also the you can see on the screen. It's reminiscent of like an automobile grill. I thought it might be a metal band. Yeah. High school metal band. I actually have an idea for I've been trying to push Broadway musicals aren't us for years now. And nobody's biting we haven't recorded. This yet this. I'm sure we'll this will be out to a lot of investors. We got a lot of Broadway in sensor will open the floodgates could get char- Charlie bordes, right Z related to John John, warm and sunny motorcycle metro with you and McGregor. Those are great. So I'm gonna run it really wanna do a stage musical version of dos. Yes. Listen, I think it's great more power to you Gordo. One of one of the great things about the film is the haunting image of the floating head. It's simple. But it has a real power presence the floating head is the means by which communicates to the brutal 's in sector four I believe we are as vortex for now the vortex where the immortals live. We have it. Live. Outland live outside of tax. But I think that was the nearest vortex that they were outside greater metro vortex four so where the brutal 's are the horse riding Birtles of Sean Connery as one that's that's a vortex. Now the vortex is is the place where the immortals have to breakthrough barrier. There are these kind of different vortex neighborhoods. Right. Sort of like the land surrounding the vortex is almost like the suburbs of the vortex. Which is where the brutal 's live and the exterminators the guys in red. Well, an exterminator is also brutal. Yeah. That's right. Yes. He's been elevated and given because you talk about how arresting that image of the the flying head is it becomes even more. So when you see the exterminators actually wearing Arnaz masks on as I've never seen those on Halloween, one of the other great thing. So in my in my intro. I was referencing that the most dangerous man in Hollywood is is a director coming off a critical and box office success. Because historically that is the one moment, you can do whatever the fuck you want and some of the. Greatest weirdest. Most bizarre things come from that moment in a director's career. Jason this is John Berman's Roma. It that way. This is a movie John Borman wanted to make. And also what's great about it is he did the whole thing around his house. Yeah. So he was living in any country time. And he basically Braley said I wanna make this movie. Everything is going to happen within ten miles of my home. I'm going to live in my home. While I making the film, he his own family appears in the movie and the extras appearing throughout the film, are I rish travelers alternately known as tinkers I believe he says that they were the greatest group of extras he'd ever worked with uncomplaining showed up on time. Had good cheer. Here's a scene. There were play a little bit of where czar does who communicates to the brutal 's and the exterminators through the giant floating mask has come down to deliver an important message. You have been raised from talented. Multiply. And saw does you're gone. You if all the God on. The gone this good guy. Venus? Is a studio executives look at each other. What did he say? Gone shoot Steph and purifies of the few of Brooklyn's. Saw does. Spoken. The Brittle's are fighting over a cache of weapons, and shotguns and shells that are that poor out of the mouth of our does this could have been a film production where they said, let's go out and film one movie. But in fact, we're gonna film four distinct movies one we're gonna fill jot, whatever John Barnes thing is he wants to do we're going to we're gonna get hardcore porn movie nineteen seventy-two hardcore pornography movie that we're gonna be able to sell around the world three. You know, some kind of creature film monster movie and four like some psychedelic like back lit movie projections for like acid parties accomplish all that with this one shoot. So from there the plot. Then is unfolded to us whereby we meet Zad played by Sean Connery, who is one of the brutal 's who's turned into an exterminator. And who maybe you guys understand how he ended up in side the floating head because I watched it twice. And that to me was never explained it. I missed that. They go back, and they show how he and his brutal friends cover them up in grain or grain inside the floating hag because they come to get the harvest. That's there's been a change in mission instead of a right exterminators exterminating. The other Birtles it's going to grow crops. Yeah. Okay. Guys Newroz year every year the expression beat your swords to Plowshares. Yup. It's sort of like that. But we sort of like the exterminators don't really like farming because they like killing they'd been sort of raised up to do that that is their meaning. And so this is a revolutionary act. They're like, all right. You with the big. Mustache you. You're gonna stowaway in the head. And that's how you'll get inside the vortex and find and then let the rest of us in and we're going to destroy it, and is the propulsion mechanism of the floating head ever explained in any way, the wizard of Oz thing, which I get, but the fakery does not extend to the floating head, which is some form of futuristic mystical magical propulsion, I guess in the the gathering of the grain and the crops is used by the immortals whom said then encounters to make the green bread, right? Yes. You're saying that if they can if they have the power to make a floating head, then they should just be able to kind of manifest green bread without any Labor's. Well, I mean, if you want to start picking it apart, Gordon, you could say that to what are we two hundred years into the future closer to three hundred years ninety three yet. We're still using shotguns and eating bread and fruits. Yeah. Even though sleep or procreate. Or die. But we still like our bread and Borman says that the reason Sean Connery ended up in this picture was because coming off the most recent JAMES BOND film, which I think might have been sixty nine or seventy one seventy one diamonds are forever that he was having a hard time finding work. It's hard for us. Now so much time as passenger on Connery's career that we think of him. Yes. As JAMES BOND, but we know enough of his other roles Ramos and hunt for Red October, the untouchables that now it's probably easy to forget that at the time he was probably very typecast as you're too close to the John brilliantly. And I'm curious what you guys think the original star for the picture was supposed to be Burt Reynolds, which I could really see sure that would have been a totally different must on that. But it would have been that Burt Reynolds swagger. It was a whole different thing than than Sean Connery. But on the other hand both of them are very like overtly Joe male macho. Oh, yeah. They are trying to counterpart I, but I think there's a Scottish version versus I don't know where Burt Reynolds is Trump is our Lord American version four. That's right. Yeah. Connery does embody that sort of like moustachioed testosterone. But he also embodies a sly intelligence which works with the characters Zad because we come to find out dead isn't just the knuckle dragging. Exterminator. Nineteen seventy three's aren't us that we're letting leave Burt Reynolds would have a earthier less. Intelligent zad. I picture him as a gum chewing yelling, spitting Burt Reynolds had just come off deliverance. Yeah. So Borman says that the reason Burt Reynolds couldn't be in the film was he fell sick. Which is Hollywood for he read the scripts. Conversely, I'm sure Sean Connery at many reasons for doing it. But I'm two hundred thousand reasons for doing it. Well. I mean that wasn't a lot for him. Oh, that's a lot in nineteen seventy three dollars. I wonder where an form and describes it as that we could only pay him. And he's still wonder if he does say. Lot. There is somebody who has a line that looks at him and says, you are obviously superior in every way to all of us here, and you could destroy we have to destroy story because you're so much better than us. You must know at you'll mentally and physically vaslav superior to me or anyone else here. I think that was a big part of the character that he created much more difficult to talk him into that wedding dress another actor that was offered the lead role of Zad prior to it becoming Sean Connery was Richard Harris, John Gorman says Harris never responded, which is another good Hollywood tactic for voiding the work. You don't necessarily want to do for whatever reason. One of the great frequently asked questions on the IMDB page is very straightforward already to this question. I don't understand this movie. What is it about? Can you answer that question for this listener gore believe I can to me? I mean, there have been movies like this where scientists try to control nature, and they get their asses whipped by mother nature in whatever crafty way that mother nature devises to do that in this case cultivating, this superior brutal to penetrate and fuck the whole thing though. Superior brutal is made specifically to destroy it. It's more alert for nineteen seventy three's. At the end of the film with the old guy on the deathbed. Is he the guy that crash of the immortals? Well, he's one of all of the renegades. They're all there the group of scientists that they flash. Can we destroy ourselves? Even if we won't to. But then the the regular attornal attorneys are their children and grow up to be sort of decadent and become nihilistic because all meaning is taken away from them because they can't die. They don't work. They sort of just have nothing going on. And so they sort of curdle and become this this nihilistic society the worst of which being or on the worth czar dos himself because he does read this super brutal to destroy all of this. I have to say, I this is my favorite kind of movie because it is about so much, and it doesn't always work, and it doesn't completely hang together. But like sincerity and the true believers even hear it into John. And now whenever he recorded the DVD commentary like he kind of believed nothing he believes that he hasn't drawn any conclusions. But he's like, and I want to do this. And I want to talk about the differences in generations. And I wanna talk about class struggle. And I wanna talk about this. Yeah. There are too many guns. Like appreciate him taking the shot. Here's a clip that that speaks to a little bit. What they were trying to do in in creating this structuring the side of the way, they did they. Scientists the best in the world, but they will mid late to condition to mortality. They went. We was their offspring, and we will burn into vote. Guests is banished forever. I Rex that the tabernacle a raised from all memories of its construction. So we can never destroy it here man on the some of his knowledge will never die but go forward to perfection. William Bligh out shows to the unsolved mysteries of the universe. Even with infinite time help of the tabernacle minds were not up to it. We fade. Also, the elitist allegory, you know, he's talking about he's always H G wells novas who's the acid had guy. Yep. Of just the you know, I don't know if you've ever looked into the mystery school stuff you ever listen to William Cooper. He's like the king of all conspiracy. Guys wrote this book, behold, a pale horse. Well, it goes way back to pay. And then, you know, it's almost reminds me of these group of scientists were secrets and he said, and he had his own version of the brutal. You didn't wanna share knowledge with them? You know, that's an allegory for the classes, the disaster of having, you know. Conceiving of human beings as two different species pretty much, right? And it's very English as well. The classism the repressed sexuality Borman says, you know, I wondered what happens if you remove sexuality from society. What happens if you remove the need to procreate what occurs. Yeah. What I didn't understand understand why the scientists set up the vortex and the immortals, but I I couldn't follow who birthed Zad. So that Zad could destroy what he eventually destroyed czar NAS. This was our plan. He picked he picked his head e pit wipe exudes. Parents even read right, then said tells him that you know, he's looked into the mind to the face of the thing that influenced Arthur Frayne. Yeah. Right. When you say, Arthur Frayne, Arthur Frank who is the man behind the wizard mask, right? So Arthur Frayne created Zad in order to destroy his own construction of society. He was prompted to do. So by whatever this force set. Crystal force, right, which I think is like an artificial intelligence of some kind that crystal thing that the tabernacle. Yeah. But I mean point it must have been taken over by. Mother nature. That's the whole thing is that they say, well, you try to go against mother nature. And this is what happens. But I thought that was once you created Zad like he is the sort of natural. Maybe I was too lost in the trippiness of it. I thought when Zad says I have looked into the force that made you do this. I thought he was being a little bit more poetic than that that he was I just by the learning that I've had three these experiences. I now understand why you wanted to destroy your own your parents creation, this clip may help explain. Yes. Crystal transmitter, I cannot give information which may threaten my own security. Emissions refreshed low wavelength laser liked passing through the crystal in the brain a code sent to you for interpretation and storage receiver must be like a transmit. I think you're a crystal. In fact, this this time in here there is infinite storage base for refracted light patterns. Yes, or no you have made in the palm of your hand already. You have lent to see my light wavelengths in the diamond. Now, you will try to raise the reflections and destroy me. Your aim is to destroy me, isn't it? Yes. I am the sum of all these people, and they're not enj- would you destroy us. And all that we are. Yes. Would you rather be? Join. Align shining future. True role. So honestly clears it all. It's the collective Christ. I mean, that's Satan. Tempting Jesus so all the collective knowledge of the attorneys has gathered and collected itself in this artificial intelligence which much like every artificial intelligence and much like what will eventually happen here within a month or years. The what do they call it the reckoning the singularity singular? Thank you. Yeah. The transhumance this this is kind of a precursor precursor. So that's what I think they're getting it. But I don't think the tabernacle says that it's Runamuck. No, I think that saying like infinite storage space of all the knowledge going in. But it also serves as a transmitter. So I think it saying that knowledge sort of can be free and build that you can't truly segregate it or becomes stunted. Which is I think what happened to the eternal more. So than the crystal sounds good to me. Well, so as is the crystal Rupp, isn't is that the suicidal collective unconscious, or is it the galleon central storm at the heart of all, man. Mankind. Well, I mean. For the same thing. Well, why say the same thing once when you can say twice absolutely brilliant of the screenplay could every sentence is could be played forwards or backwards. It's every sentence says the contradiction of its own self. Yeah. It's perfect. None of the acting is actually reacting to anything that happened before or after his own pure wine reading I kept expecting to say, well, I was really really high say as John Boorman's commentary track is brilliant in that it's kind of like having a Cup of tea with your daughter in aunt in the English countryside, and to Chris's earlier point he doesn't seem to have many deep thoughts about what was actually going on. He does say I was interested in this theme. I was interested in the theme of what happens if we can live forever. Yeah. And we don't need to procreate. So he mentions and references those themes, but in the actual commentary. It's it's very much a collection of and this is some prospects glasses. We the work speaks for itself. I think it's all. I even added that prologue to make it clearer. What don't you? I mean, it's all pretty much laid out. That. 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That is part of the thing. That was that's the one thing about this movie that by the right? Character. She's basically the most English of rose. Yes. Do you hear what she said about about Connery to is looking forward to getting raped by him? Let's be fair that John Boorman who sounds like a very nice man has a few quips in this director's commentary. We turn a little out of date, and and his telling of how Charlotte Rampling was looking forward to her love scene with Sean Connery in his telling he, unfortunately, uses the terminology that you just quoted, and it it it it jars the ear when is the first time that they when they make the baby. But is once they've left the whole rest of the society, or is it when they're in the vortex. No when they're in the cave because I had the impression that there might have been something before. Well, there's tension. There's tension, but they don't actually doesn't grab her in the same way that he grabs the apathetic. No, which is weird scene, which I guess is meant to indicate the animal like nature of the brutal 's absolute and of him as this sort of he'll figure. Yeah. There's there's definitely questionable things certainly looking at it. Now, probably even looking at it, certainly looking at it, then especially the idea that one of the epithet X takes the sweat initially thought was a tear, which I thought was really, but but firms sweat from him in that revitalizes them as if the idea being like apathetic people in culture are layabout youths just need a little bit of good old fashioned brutality brutality in sort of manliness as the way that it's portrayed here to sort of give them a new lease on life and that new lease on life. Of course includes killing people and then having an orgy that really jazz them up. They they go from zero to sixty in nothing, no time at all. This scene is a brilliant indication of what you're talking about. Because the immortals have lost the ability to have any sensuality or need for procreation or sex. So now that Zad is their captive. He is extensively aid object of study both may and in this scene Consuegra who totally against the idea of studying said, but now suddenly Consuegra is is happy to lead this sexuality seminar. Well, so after failing to be turned on by showering breasts, and some sort of mud wrestling that is turns his attention to Consuegra. And then the audio parallelogram really starts bouncing around in the old box. And he he sports Woody. Yes, he does and in and in doing so brings down an entire society. This brutal like other primates living unselfconsciously lives is capable of spontaneous. And reflexive erection. As part of maize studies this creature we're trying to find once again the link between erotic stimulation under action. This experiment will measure auto erotic stimulation of the cortex leading to erection play. Indicates indicated this image is not erotic stimulated. Change. This doesn't seem to affect him. Either. The parallelogram does seem you know, thing about biofeedback, man. This was the seventies. This is what he'll they could see action. They don't need to. It's not like a heartbeat. To make sure there is an external manifestation that presumably they saw wall. Also, why are they doing extensive studies in this area before said even arrives? I thought they were thought they I mean, they already know everything they have the sum total of the earth. Knowledge contained in their vortex libraries, but it's been a while. And there were some disagreements may was like this other team that wanted. Yeah. She has her own renegade. Ideas may simply are very good the actors the play both those carriers. I mean, Charlotte Rampling, obviously is great the actor who plays. I love friend friend is I think he's off favorites friend that actor's name. I had that that John Berman describes as a very good television character actor talk about damning faint praise in his in his British way. Which implies you're not a very good actor carry his own way. He's fairly broad hidden and histrionic in most scenes, they do need to do bit of directing just let him go and one gets it all on the wind him up and friends. Offers an ignominious end such a great sane. They're gathered around mirrored table, and they decide to go to level two, which is where they communicate and meditate at a nonverbal level, collectively, and friend for reasons. Preps you understand I don't he chooses not to go meet them at that meditative level. I think they're discussing whether to keep alive their voting and I've to to voting seen to this. I expected just shake your head. Yes. Or no each other. They have thirty different hand signals. I think we should adopt. This system of voting in the states. I think it would cover a lot of voter fraud that we otherwise they tried it in Florida in two thousand. I like the gestures. But then some of them are just. Yes. I was perfectly clear, but this I don't know. Vote. Give you. It's been given seven days to complete his study than said will be terminated. The monster. He's a mirror. And when we look at him, we look into a hidden faces meditate on this at second level. Second level. Swift. Change. Obscenity? Fateful. Superstition? Is beyond redemption. Friend doesn't want to meditate on the second level with that. I'm not sure why. But I think because booth with may with friend with that guy Satan, I think is his name the other guy that is on trial that their voting George, George, George Satan, really know, George tone. Forgive me, George. There is discontent within this generation most definitely with frame frame. Does this something the two men discontented? We'll know, but I think bay also certain amount of discontent, which is why she's attracted to and wants to study. And then and then Consuegra sort of comes across that way as well. As she tries to fight it for a long time Suelas hot and heavy for said from seen one we can all see that. And her resistance to him is patently because of her attraction to him. And as she says in another thrilling bit of line reading, I become you or says hunting, you I have become what's that me? And then he does that Ichi quote hunt is always better than the kill. Hunting. You have become you destroy. What is it out to defend fights too long against dragons dragon himself? To me that seems like what the whole thing is about. Because she why she wants to reject him and not having because she knows allowing these ideas into the tax are going to ruin their equilibrium. What about yes things? I'm point says, that's why she's fighting it. And it's the other people that are sort of giving up that fight and letting these things come into this society. So even in some ways, I think this is meant to be an inevitable ending that a society like this could not survive because nature will out in the form of this ponytail and moustache. I mean friend is kind of like punk rock. Fuck you. I'm an I'm an individual. I don't want to join your collider at that moment, he chooses. He's so sick of doesn't give a shit, whatever. He's going to become is going to go renegade. Because man's idea of of social perfection is always a bad thing. This is what I always say to Chris I'm for the robot, apocalypse, okay? I am for your refrigerator attacking and killing you in the midst of. Evening. That's what the tabernacle is lucky. You end up. If you're not lucky you end up his friend friend who shout out to the makeup people because I don't know if you've looked on his IMDB page. John elder son who plays friend when they made up half his face each. Right. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Really really could see the future. Oh, you know. Do you guys every movie demon seed, no that's another one from that era? Just hope in computer Runamuck, what's the seed the c- impregnated into sperm. So that demon babies worry much muck across I. Muck across Julie Christie. I'm not gonna say anything about you got to see that movie supercomputer with artificial intelligence, which becomes obsessed with human beings. One in particular, her native, Julie Christie, particular the creators wife. Yes, I'm particularly would. Yeah. That was great one that really brought out the little pervert in me. There's a lot of nudity in this era of filmmaking. And I guess in the way in nineteen Seventy-three. I was at my cough is good for you. Yeah. That was great. Do do. One more just a little louder. Perfect. This is also even though it's nineteen Seventy-three culturally. We are very much still in the sixties. It's very conservative movie in its own way. Because it's sort of. I mean, isn't the takeaway of the film that once you introduce sexuality and desire everything goes to shit. I don't know. I think in some ways that the original sin is trying to trying to Nate like humans humans. But I think you're right because I was thinking this plays a lot like plan to the apes in terms of the the false. God of the the lies about the society that has been created and sort of bumping up against the end of that to other interesting, Sean Connery facts when Sean Connery won an Oscar for the untouchables, which is a pretty funny over the top movie of the eighties or nineties whenever it came out. I didn't realize this until I heard John Berman say it that Sean Connery is such a presence, and we so buy into him. That we forget that he wanted Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent? And I never even occurred to me until he said that everything in the movie is about how Irish this day is right? And he's speaking in the thickest Scottish broken never even occurred to me. Yeah. Sean Connery, just accept Sean Connery. Sean, listen, he also played a Russian famously played a gray. Rush degree Rosen. Sean Connery is a great film, actor he he he understands and commands the medium, he has an intrinsic ability to subtly play to the camera and also embody all of those qualities without really over verbalizing anything no all presents as an actor. He's always just the embodiment of the thing that's going on in the scene and it reads. So clearly, there's a confidence session that he has that is truly remarkable. And just one less about him being John John but him being John but him being bond looking back. We. Now know his whole career. This seems such a perfect row from because what made him such a good bond was he had a certain amount of suave nece. But it was on top of this part of him that that you see in this and in later movies in a way that Roger Moore wonderful as he was in in other ways, it was a different kind of maleness and sexuality than than than Sean Connery. Had it just it what it wasn't as believable with them. Roger Moore's bond was a more winking campy mean it has its own it has his own merits. And I enjoy watching them. But I mean, if you want real bond, you got to go to the early Sean Connery bonds, another interesting thing about Sean Connery was he was offered the role of Gandalf in the Lord of the rings film series, and he declined because of quote, not understanding the script. He apparently did also not understood that he would have been offered fifteen percent of the worldwide box which could have earned him as much as four hundred million dollars. Now, I don't under-. I don't know. I've been burned once doing a script that I didn't quite understand. John gave me a script that. I didn't understand that. I said, yes, it's a job for you anything. But you know, what he's good in this movie, and the movie does have a certain kind of consistency and logic to itself. So that even watching it now, it's so patently ridiculous in so many ways eight holds together. It is about the things John Gorman wanted it to be about even if it requires a level of attention to the dialogue, which all the other attributes of a film don't sustain. Yes. So I find it almost impossible to follow what's going on. Because my I is so interested in what's going on on the screen, which the eye candy is so good and so bizarre that I'm just looking at like. Wow. But the dialogue like when we play when we read what's being said. It's almost too subtle to hard boiled down to its essence. So that it loses rather against like the society of the journals like it's lost the human stuff is somebody who's like this is the problem. Nobody anymore. What's what's here? But it's unable to do that. So it's a little bit too. High though good. He talked about how they were on a very limited budget, which especially science fiction thing is always tough. And yet I think because of the cinematography, but also shooting it on film as opposed to digital it doesn't look cheap. There's something about the physical landscape, and the fact that it's always kinda gloomy in England and the greenness that makes anything look. Well, here's a shot in Ireland. Wasn't it? It was it was shot in Ireland all within ten miles. John Boorman's house. Did I saying Wickham or something like that? This is another scene. I'll just play for you briefly, which is introduces the concept of touch teaching which I think all of us as young grade schoolers in the seventies would have been much more interested. Fid in than the rote learning. We were subjected to. We will not work in time. You will take on bios mercy's out of time. We will touch teaching and he will give us you'll see. Student at ease tonight on M. Obvious. You get the idea. You're basically learning by having a naked woman crawl over your body while films are projected upon both of your body's and rather than doing anything annoying like reading books and stuff. You long you absorb the knowledge through the light touch of the nipples. I guess all that done in real time on the set beautifully shot. You hear the part about where he's talking about this one guy who hated the film. But he said, well there was this touch teaching part, which if you wanna go see that. Exactly this point during the film. He gave the time. So that you could show up at the theater, just so you could see that scene. Which and seventy three I guess a movie was like two fifty or something. Not if that two basis what is two bits anyway, four quarters. No, no, it's it's debt orders. I guess half of a quarter to bits and eighth. How do you know only because I've heard two bits, and then somebody gets a quarter a really well. Wait, shaving when you're talking to bits quarters didn't exist. Probably. Yeah. Probably vase to Schultz of silly. When did money get invented coin money? Any money will that goes wave? This is serious question in the twenties, we had dimes nickels and quarters. I think so silver what else about Varda's? I mean, you know, he can both say anything and nothing about czar. Does there really is no apt sinked description of it all really just have to see it. Yeah. And appreciate it for what it is. And was Sean Connery does do a great job for the most part killing that singlet filling out that singlet and that Bandelier and he's great except there. Favorite seed. There's at one point where I guess they I go into the laboratory, which is this the glass walking up to it. And Sean Connery goes up to it. And then. Falling and he is. Gifted mind, they must have done that just after the like seen rare to do a wedding dress. Like, I am not putting any effort into this. John Berman is like calls. He does some very nice acting here. That's right. Just like a high school play falling into the triangle doesn't even bother bending his niece, not doing another take extra dimensional acting. There's a lot of Laycock involved in this film. But Jackson, not one of them. Shoplift Collins, the father of modern mime Gordo of the enemy of clowning the enemy of. Oh. Yeah. That's good mime is the enemy of clowning. Is there is there a factional war between mimes and clowns Ramos Romeo has anyone done? Shakespeare that way because I think you're onto something I would drop this music thing. And I would go into mime clown war. So one of the great things about the end is again in this kind of post two thousand one universe that we were living in when this film came out. There is an attempt to essentially now, we're going to see the cycle of life reborn, and when's Ed and Consuegra a consummate their cave love, and she immediately becomes fully pregnant and gives birth to a child, and then there's a rapid aging scene where they're holding hands. And they go from them as we know them, two skeletons too. Goes off to college off to college rights motorcycles with you and McGregor goes onto a whole life. Right. So apparently, the aging makeup was so elaborate and has he kind of hilariously describes Sean Connery a few times as being a little persnickety about having things touch his skin. So they shot this whole scene which took an entire day. And then when they got the film back. There was a flaw in the film stock they had to do the whole scene second time. And he said Sean was just apoplectic rage at the idea of having to do this entire makeup thing. And a second time after the second time, it was like after the wrap party, and everyone was hung over and the assistant cameramen expose the film eye opening the back of the camera and ruined the entire second take, and they had to do it a third time and Borman has a hilarious story where like many years later at a Los Angeles, Starbucks because he said that that cystic who did that left the contrary the country because he was like, well, Sean what anybody at engagement. He wanted to kill the. Families isn't he had to be restrained? I would not want to have cross Sean Connery. He left the country fear for his and then like twenty five year later runs into John Gorman in LA coffee shop and says, you don't remember me? Do you John says, no don't I'm just the guy who exposed the film? He's now a DP for commercials said like so glad you don't remember. That's a good thing. Well, that's how Dr does ends. Although it doesn't really end. Does. It has nothing ever. Does. Nothing ends. It doesn't in the distant future. Full. Casting crews brought to you by out of Jack's mind. A new comedy short video series from jackpot Nick co writer and director of the Sony. Pictures feature film space station, seventy six and current recurring guest on Grayson, Frankie and see nation out of Jack's mind like in follow at chocolate comedy on Facebook or chocolate dot com. Chocolate original comedy delivered daily. Well, let's move onto our other segments. Chris are you ready to do ranson? Ray? I sure am. I'll start with a with a Raver to the first one is do you guys hear about grace slick grace slick had licensed a Jefferson starship mixtures, grace, lake dead? No, he's not he lives in the canyon. I was hanging out with her daughter China last Friday night after seeing Jefferson starship show, eight a minute this the second time I saw the same show years ago, and you were hanging out with China slick Kanter. Yeah. And there's only one to do from the starship that are still alive. One guy was eighty but he could still got. Oh, yeah. Gone. He's he's a goner. Chris. Any idea? We're talking about music. Did we met last time nine years ago? Canada's also did isn't he? Yeah. He died. China's a good buddy of my my sister-in-law where we're staying trying to. Candidy knocking role not experience. No doesn't work for me. I mean, I'm more of an airplane guy. If anything planner like on airplanes. Airplane hijacking kind of more of an S ours semi agreeing hijacker like seventy four plane hijacking. I wanna get more parts like that. I'm going for the low key hijacker for those who can't see Gorda because podcasting is a auditory medium. He resembles a in his prime. Peter Fonda Peter vonda with a little bit of MAC tonight. Does not. Remember MAC tonight? The moon shaped Madonna. Yeah. Yeah. From your last night mare. I'm only accusing you of that. Because people used to cues me of looking like MAC tonight in high school because I have a large chin and Gordo has a very prominent chin. Where were we? Oh, yes, ranting. Wait to read so grace. Larry licensed a song to Chick-fil-A now in a Jefferson starship song or an error, which one is nothing's gonna stop us now from star show. Formerly known as Jefferson starship terrible airplane and presumably, you know. Okay. So seventy dancing wrong as you may. Or may not know Chick-fil-A is no not only having delicious chicken, but notoriously anti civil rights and during the Grammys there was a commercial played for Chick-fil-A with nothing's gonna stop us now and people were like, hey, did grace slick disappoint us in the way that some sixty people like Peter Fonda in motor and go crazy. But no, as it turns out, she had a an editorial in Forbes today where she explained why she did it because the money of editorial then she gave the money to an LGBT T organs. Hold on hold on one second. Did she give the money immediately? The only reason she did it was to then give the money in the way that people donate to like narrow in Mike Pence's name. Was it like I'm doing this in order to donate money or once the backlash kicked in did? She decide to donate, those definitely a former what you was you was socially rewarding to her in the in the Forbes editorial. She says, quote, the Georgia based company is a well-documented history of funding organizations through their philanthropic foundation wind shape that are against gay marriage. In interviews CO, Dan, t Cathy has critiqued gay rights supporters who have the audacity define marriage and said they are bringing God's judgment upon the nation. I grace slick firmly believe that mentioned be able to marry men and women women. I am passionately against anyone who tried to suppress this basic, human, right? So my first thought when Chick-fil-A came to me was fuck. No. Then she goes on to say, I am donating every dime that I make from that add to Lambda legal the largest national legal organization working to advance the civil rights of LGBTQ people and everyone living with HIV in midly. It's not the millions that wind shape has given to organizations that defined marriage is heterosexual. But instead of them replacing. Song with someone else's and losing this opportunity to strike back at anti LGBTQ forces. I decided to spend the cash in direct opposition to Chick-fil-A causes and to make a public example of them to fill buying take some of their money and pay it back. I don't but. Oh, wow. I loved it. Because I thought it was trolling to good story. However, the logic does not hold up if you don't support what they're four helping them sell more sandwiches. Does not help your cause. Because however, many tens of thousands of dollars or even hundred thousand dollars that they probably paid. It's probably not more than that. They probably sold a hell of a lot more sandwiches than they paid her to license. The song to me I'm sorry as a cynical jaded fifty. Well, soon thing if no I think what you're what you're forty-nine. You're not a fifty something. No. Fifty five plus see somewhere fifty something. I am fifty something. Dude. I am in my forties. Hit the wall. However, I can spot a milkshake duck when I see one all in grace slick out. Well, that's like like doing a Nazi propaganda film. And then buying a bunch of war bonds, the US war bonds with the money. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, h her, but it just seems a little like let me just say that if that happened the way she saying what what would have occurred. There would be a viral video that came out which showed the plotting of this brilliantly meta publicity stunt, much in the same way that when banks he sold his girl with the balloon painting right for however, many millions of dollars, and as the gavel fell the painting was shredded after that was revealed the video came out that showed how they built the shredder into the frame. And this is what we were going to do all along and your part in this was noting it and having outrage over it. However, this to me sounds a little convenient for grace slick to have been called out for something. Which by the way, if listen if it's your music, and you need the money, you're free to do. Whatever the hell you need to do to pay the bills. No judgment. It just I don't buy the story that it was part of some brats. I hear what you're saying. You're nature are forever associated with your song with that brand. Whether you did anything positive with the money or not it's gonna last any kind of sense. Why don't you? Call China slip Kanter and get the bottom of this. I know. On the on a phone on the fuck, and you can tell when she's like, right? Great new let me put it to you this way. If Gordon was just with China slick, enter and this whole thing had occurred. Don't you think shoot me like, oh, did you hear this cool publicity? It's not my mom. Did the reason she didn't mention it is is a fabric fabric -ation could be right. I loved the story. But maybe too. To believe. All right. What else do you have Chris that we can dump on? Teach you to have something really about world got did you see the pizza guy thing? So at the Coen testimony yesterday when somebody was doing a standup news thing behind him. You see this this kid? This congressional go to door get like a pizza box from some water. Then he's going that. He's always like lice eats thirty pizza. Somebody like you are on looks in his eyes. Get wide. Funny and great. But then there are people. He's already become like an internet celebrity calling him like a legend. Mike, welcome to the resistance. And I was like. There were people doing actual questioning in in the house chambers. I think elevating him to legend status that was a little bit a little bit quick. Yeah. It doesn't take much nowadays. It's a little premature because obviously the pizza gate people. It's all coded message. Man. That's that K Q and on. It's real Cunanan real. I saw queuing on thing. The other day from patent oswald's wife was I guess they're being harassed by Cunanan for some reason because of political stance that they took I'm sympathetic to them. I think that and I was very funny. However, I also think it's very funny when comedians were celebrities sort of treat being on Twitter as if it's like a moral sacred, right, which we should all rise up and prevent them from being harassed on Twitter. No, well, I mean, it is the digital town squares. And if we got rid of Twitter, Trump would immediately have vastly less influence, and and. Mouth size in the universe. That's the that's the whole thing. Takes place on Twitter for crying out loud. Just shut it down people. Otherwise, the machines are coming to kill you and me and everyone. Any other four? That's it. I was gonna say something about motherhood and apple pie. But forget, Gordon. Do you have any rants Rayleigh about motherhood? No for one thing. People keep wanting to impeach Trump. Right. Which is great. You know, whatever impeach everybody. But remember how Clinton was impeached, and he was still the president after that impeaching does. Not mean, there seems to be misunderstanding about that. Well, of course, it's twenty nineteen Gorno everything misunderstandings. Standings understood grace slick. They're people who doubt her at least. They're people like Chris with full hearts and good intentions are willing to believe tracking bull story that grace lick pens for capitalist, tool magazine, never crossed my mind that girls like would be. Listen, there's a lot of delicious chicken, sandwiches other. Have you don't want to support fillet, go shake shack, chicken San? What can amazing? They're pretty righteous. I think so you can feel good about. So they better be I have a quick rave. It's gonna start a bit on a Downer. But it actually is a positive message. I don't know if you guys are familiar with the comedian Brody Stevens. Yeah. Yeah. Guys out there he killed himself on someone that people refer to as comedians comedian in that he had some success. He had a TV show briefly on comedy central. He had some standup specials, but he's really primarily known as a comedy store guy and a universally beloved comedian in Los Angeles. I didn't know him. I didn't really know his work that well, but he committed suicide and among the many outpourings of support and reminiscence of him. There's a really extrordinary video on the website all things comedy where he had a podcast, which was called the festival of friendship and his producer did like a four and a half hour tribute to Brodie who was a very Andy Kaufman esque kind. Of meta comedian. And I think that's why he was beloved by real working comedians because they understood that what he was doing onstage didn't always work and Brody Stevens is one of those comics. It's almost more fascinating and fun to watch him bomb than it is to watch him kill because when it's not going, right, which would be a fairly frequent occurrence, given the nature of his stand up could turn confrontational in a moment. If the audience was not giving him the same positively with which he took the stage, and he had catchphrases he had a very distinct. Cadence he often not so much turned on the audience, but he would prop himself up by telling them what a good guy he was. And basically saying that they should reward his positivity that he's giving them with the positivity that he requires so he's always kind of doing a tightrope anyway on this long podcast by four and a half hours. Fifty or sixty comedians, come in pairs and take the microphone for just five minutes each and tell funny stories about Brody Stevens. And in addition to just kind of telling you something about someone you may not know about. Out in the sense that like a working actor is real actor that you may not have heard of this guy was a real working comedian who had the ultimate respect is hard to imagine almost any comedian getting the reaction that was given to him on this podcast. And I found it just really actually kind of joyful to to celebrate an hear stories about him and hear jokes that he told and there's a great stand up clip. You can look for which is from the just for laughs comedy festival in Montreal in two thousand thirteen it's a nine minute clip. And he does not go over. Well. But it's fascinating to watch him. Command the stage, regardless of the fact that the Canadians just don't get him all that the memory says to the audience, and if you don't get that. You're just dumb. That's it's not that one. That's a famous clip. But he does tell a joke that doesn't land during this performance. And he goes that's a good joke. I'm staying with that joke and years from now you're going to realize that was a joke, and you will get it then. And that's okay. Anyway, just look up. He's an interesting guy, and that podcast is kind of fascinating. It's fascinating just to watch comedians sharing emotions with each other. I love comedians. So you get to see every different thing. There's actually like one comedian calls in and uses this opportunity to trash another comedian for something has nothing to do with the guy. And then like two hours later the other guy calls in and host is like so men have so sorry. I know you're close to Brody. Listen the mic is yours did so and so call up. Somebody now that's the thing. And the guy was like, okay. We gotta keep moving rare and amazing to see a community pull together and community. That's usually is riddled with factions and fracture as comics are there's everybody's worried about who wears everybody else. Here's your credits versus by credits. All this kind of stuff when she made fun of that all the time show business. Yeah. He was in the hangover hangover to his famous bid receives in hangover hangover to wasn't hanging over three though. Okay. That's right threes. Let's move on to headline. Gordo. This is the part of the show where I read some interesting, recent entertainment headlines and get your and Chris's reactions. Are you ready to the first one? Okay. Opium addicted parrots keep reading poppy farms in India. Have you heard the story? No, really. All over my it really well, grace slick licensed. She's going to give it all to the parents. Poppy farmers are being forced to guard their crops against the drug addled birds who get high off the narcotic effects of the plant. So apparently in India these parrots are eating poppy seeds, poppy plants and become junkies junkie. Parents. That's a great idea for stage musical you can take that. Going potty. All right. I'm going flower gives her on twenty to twenty five grams of opium. But a large group of parents feeds on these plants around thirty to forty times a day and some even fly away with poppy pods. They've been trying firecrackers loud noises, but nothing has helped who will compensate us for our losses. Say the poppy farmers. Oh, fuck parents men. I never liked him. Talking talk. Okay. Well, listen, if you're so cavalier about animal life. Let's see how you feel about humans after I read you the next headline right man, accused of dipping testicles in customers salsa. This is a Tennessee deliveryman who was jailed after he was filmed himself dipping his testicles into container. Self customer had ordered online he recorded and posted video saying, quote, this is what you get when you give an eighty nine cent tip for almost thirty minute drive. See and they're calling the pizza kid a legend. But not this guy. Now, here's where you and I did on how you frame it. I'm on team delivery guy is that a is that a site where people film themselves dipping. No, no four on an actual team. I see I'm on the team to. Yeah. That's what I mean. This delivery guy. Drove thirty minutes. You can't tip the got eighty nine cents. And if you do that, you're jerk. I'm not saying you deserve to have testicle dipped Sol's should have been a word of mouth thing. Don't film yourself doing just. Yeah. I got back at element. This is what I did don't show. Our next door comes from Berlin German police say a dead cow kicked a slaughterhouse worker. So the cow was killed according to regulations early Thursday in an abattoir abattoirs, one of those words that's still has a contemporary presence, but sort of evokes like onto it. Yeah. What is what it is healing floor? The cow was killed hung from a meat hook for processing. Then the carcass kicked the worker in the face of parenting due to a nerve impulse. That experts say is an uncommon Forty-one-year-old worker was hospitalized again team. Cow carcass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you kick the on the side of the Carver have. Yeah. It sucks that the guy got kicked in, you know. No, I understand the cow. We little worse for the Cal. Yeah. Would've been better guidance. Paris. Now, I'm not much of an overnight to through tooth. And our last story just made me laugh. There's a text thread between a daughter and her father, the father was taking a trip in Iceland with his mother who was an elderly lady and she took a photo, which I'll show you posed on a little bit of an iceberg on a seashore as you can see here's C chair adorable photo granny on an ice chair. Of course, what happened next was granny was swept out to sea on the ice chair, and and had to be rescued by the coast guard, but she was rescued. She was rescued how far out did you get four hundred sixty two nautical miles. If you got a picture now. I'm just j it was just a few was just twenty feet off this. He was discovered in green Chris willingness leave. I believe. Impressive glacier that it did. Not mel. Wow. That's well, it's very cold sleep donated that money for a good cause shave that down into a snow cone to save the. Jets. Thank you very much. Chris very much for joining us to hope you enjoyed it. I thank you so much for doing czar does and giving it the appreciation it. We're expecting that. You were going to spread the word far and wide to the vast Ardoz community. That's your next meeting your next dress up. Do you go to costume parties? Where people dress up as Ordos we draw on the most. Yeah. Right. Who can get those masks Shawn's real must a real mustache on time at Arthur Frayn's. Yes. Yeah. I bet he grew though. I think jump Borman did say the ponytail is. Yeah, that's a clip on. We usually go out on a famous movie quote. And I was thinking, of course, Jon Borman, he had great success with deliverance did this. And then he went back to things like the tailor of Panama and other more conventional fair. That's a great movie. If you ask him about czar does he might say. Very strange. 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149 - Peter Meyers -

Wealth Transformation Podcast

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149 - Peter Meyers -

"Are you so full of fear? You can't even talk about money and wealth. Dr Cheryl is showing you how to shift your mindfulness with your wealth relationship. Most people don't even like to talk about money from personal level. You can learn how to get past the fear and talk about money and wealth and free yourself to a healthy relationship no matter where you are in your life. Are you ready for some good changes? This really affects all areas of your life. It's time for the wealth. Transformation podcast. Now here's your host Dr Cheryl Shire. Evening is about the wealth of communication with our special guest. Peter James Myers Peter. James Myers founder and president of stand and deliver is a communication consultant who has worked with leaders in politics business sports and Performing Arts to achieve greater influence through the spoken word a graduate of the University of Southern California. Peter lived and studied in Zen Yoga Arts Institute in New York and trained as a performer with the late. Stella Adler and Sanford Meisner at the neighborhood playhouse. He is the former artistic director of the award-winning Vector Theater. Company in San Francisco in in founding standing deliver. Peter synthesized his experience in sports as tennis and Ski Instructor in Theater as an actor and director and a high performance psychology as a teacher at the s Alon Institute connecting the three disciplines to develop stand and delivers high performance communication curriculum. He has taught performance and leadership skills at the ESCHATON institute American Conservatory Theatre Stanford University Dominican University and the International Institute of Management Development. In Switzerland. He is the author of as we speak published by Simon and Schuster in two thousand eleven. Welcome Peter it's been awhile since I saw you in the car. You know the thing that impressed me the most is you I. I know that you listen articulately to someone speaking because you picked up that you asked me you said are you from the north and I thought wait a minute. I'm Californian fourth generation but I wasn't educated down here. My primary and secondary was up in Washington. You picked it up. I remember that no high right. That was my very uber ride. Oh I didn't know that was my virgin and it was pouring rain. We'll be flooding. Hit was all the way to Cesar Chavez. Yeah absolutely anyway I. You definitely made an impression on me because you and then I asked you. How do you know that? How did you know that I would? And you said you had to think about it but you said you're are his in anyway anyway. I was impressed so welcome. Welcome welcome I thought with your background with communication. I thought you'd be a wonderful guest and thank you for coming here and so tell us about where you're from and how you got to where you are with. I mean I know you're an actor and you have we've already done an intro so the viewers see your background already but give us some background where you're from well from New York. I grew up in Queens and then we moved out to northport and you know I was A. I was a kid that I was. I was the quiet weird kid who sat in the back of the room and and I pretty much just road motorcycles. That's all I wanted to do. I and I wanted to be a motorcycle mechanic because I liked motorcycles. And I thought you don't have to talk to anybody. You just work on the motorcycle and I was head he wanted to hide. I did I was so incredibly shy and awkward and I couldn't find my voice I sat in the back of the room. I had a leather jacket. I had hair back. That had long hair and I wore a Bandana so it's kind of like a rebellious teenager and my senior of high school. I transferred to go live with my dad and parents concern that I was. I was really getting started. I went to go to another school and and for the first time I I I fell in love. I fell in love with amy. Amy was at Cliffside Park High School. And I was this guy in the back with the long hair the ben down quiet but I was the new kid. And Amy was the like drama. Queen in the sense that she did all the plays musicals. Got All the leads. She was very popular. Got Straight as what she saw in me. I don't know but she was the new rebellious guy. So of course what she signed. You came out later right exactly so spring came will march and she said I remember her saying to me. You know here at Curbside Park High School. All the seniors do drama night. I said good. I'll come and watch you. She said No. Everybody has to do something. Tissot patient young said. Well you know I don't I don't do drama but I'll come and watch you have to. I said I don't see any I don't have to. She said if you love me you'll do it. Wow it's what I said. Wow Geez I said well what do I have to do? She said do monologue. I said what is a monologue? What is that. She said it was like a speech. You do monologue. We get these. She said library third floor so rented a librarian. I tried to find a monologue and I couldn't find anything. We'll have these old dusty plays in the thirties. So I went home and I called. Amy and amy went to the the American Academy of Dramatic Art. She was a serious drama student. I said I couldn't find anything but do you think I can write something. You're going to write a play. I said well I'll write something and stayed up all night long and I wrote apply. I wrote for amy and me sweet sweet. It was called blind dates. That see about this guy. Was this blind date with this girl and an. I said we didn't call her in the morning. I do it with me. And she said absolutely. So we we rehearsed this play and we've rehearsed it. It was part of a long series of acts that would take place on drama night and the dress rehearsal came Mr Barroso. The adviser to the students stood there in the middle of the auditorium. He never liked meeting especially didn't like that. I was dating amy. I still remember him his entire student. Yeah and he said all right. My is Europe. I This was New Jersey. My is Europe. I let's see you play. And the the pulled the curtain. I walked to the EDGE OF THE STAGE. I just got still throws. I totally froze all the seniors in wings. Looking at me and snickering the amy putting your head down and just stood there and I'm sure it was only twenty seconds but it felt like twenty minutes and I see the edges of my vision starting to bar and I I just put my head down and Matt. Arousal said my as I suggest you learn you line because tomorrow night we open and I went out the back door and I walked home and I just tried to think of some way that I could maybe get hit by a car a little bit and maybe break it. Tibia something somebody that I wouldn't have because I thought if I if I froze in front of matter ISO a chilly freeze when my father and my mother and my family were there and another three hundred people and amy called me up at ten o'clock at night because she was in several of the rehearsals. She said what happened. I said I told you I can't do this told you I can't do it. That WanNa make GONNA do. She said stop whining. She said just dried up dried up. What's dried up? She said it's when you forget you. Lines you dry it up and there's three things you can do is now you tell me three things you can do when you dry up. She said I'll be right over so we stayed up till two o'clock in the morning rehearsing and she taught me. Here's what you do if you And she really helped me through this really this. This is a wonderful story because it comes back to love. It's it's loved it spurred you on that's wonder- few is like a secure base to me. Great example she said you can do it so that we showed. The next auditoriums was fallen matter as came back. Hope you know your lines. And she said you're GonNa be fine and they pulled the curtain. I walked to the edge of the stage and I opened my mouth and out. H is devoid load and it flowed. Wow it flowed and I did it. And it was funny and it worked and we did the thing at the end of the night. I won the drama award for best original play and six months later. I was at university and I look back and I thought I crossed. I crossed a bridge but I found my voice and at that moment I looked back and I said I'm GonNa keep going with this but if I could go back over and I could help other people over that bridge. That's my calling and at that moment. The teacher in me was born. Yeah Amy and I are still good friends. Wonderful Wonderful Story. I love it because it all comes back to love. Yeah so well. What a wonderful story. So where did you go from there? I went spent a year at the University of Hartford and I had never taken an acting class or anything but I was doing the plays and it was doing well and Linate. Yeah well I guess I didn't worry about it. I just did it. I did well and and then transferred to USC. And John Houseman was running the department then and and I. I was an English major but I took all the theater classes with the with the acting students in story there too so it took. I was taking the I I did. I did equis when I got there. I saw the poster audition for equis. I addition I got the lead role. I know there was a BFA. There was a conservatory department within the University and it was a conservatory program. It wasn't really open for other students but I didn't read the fine print I went. I auditioned I got the part and I did the play. George furth was very very famous playwright. Who's worked with Stephen Sondheim and many movies? He came to see it. They said how come you're not in my acting class. I said when's your acting because this is tomorrow morning. Ten o'clock be there so I went and when we said they said are you coming. I said where they go to dance. I said okay. We'll go to dance now. Wear and they said we go to voice and so for three years followed around the Bfa Department. But I was an English major and I was taking all these classes not getting credit but I wasn't paying for them either. I was just doing it and the senior my senior year John Houseman. Who was shooting paper chase on campus at the time with his bow ties distinguishing. I can only note for my mom said Mr Housman wants to see you and I. I was just shaking. He was pretty scary. And I realized I was taking. These classes are paying. I knocked his big Oak Dory opened it. Up Swung around in his leather chair. His bow tie he said come in. My boy is it. I understand you're a guerrilla drama student. I started crying not so i. I'm so sorry I'll pay for it. Owns another why. Don't you just declared his major and I said well I wanted to come to university and study literature and History and political science and biology. I wanted to study everything. They want to get to focus that he said Bravo. He's view don't say anything. I will die. Get Out of here. We made a deal and and it was fine so I studied talent well. He agreed with the principle of that was I was trying to everything in. Yeah Live Your Passion. Live your purpose you ever been. That's what life's about. So how did you get into consulting with with the speaking thing like you picked up on my my accent to remind my languaging? How did you get into that well? That's a hobby. I just like to listen to see if I can if I can pick up where somebody's from. Sometimes you can get right to the town. Yeah Yeah but there are some as I can nail right down to like Hewlett Nassau County. Oh my God. How did you know that East Coast. Yeah Yeah. But that's listening to the musicality of language and how different different regions use it? I just think that's fun. And it's part of what you do is a theater director and as an actor but I really what I wanted to do is be a director from the beginning and I didn't know how to study directing when I went to see John House and he said don't go to graduate. School used to go to New York. Go to New York and be. Somebody's assistant make them coffee. Make Them T- take notes. Do whatever you have to do so I went to New York. And I was assistant director on Broadway. Got To work with. Harvey Jones and Tom Schmid fantastic and Diana Rigg was doing collect the musical. Based on the French poet I worked as an assistant for several directors and that for a while and Came back to California and And I worked as an actor and as a director and Worked at a lot of the theaters and then at one point I started a theater company Slash Theater School and began teaching and Doing a lot of work with a young actors I became passionate about. How theater can be transformational in developing self esteem? In young people showed so created curriculum that integrated now that I think about so this is really what I was doing and call. I'm just realizing this. This is what I didn't college. I was integrating all the stuff so I went back into integrated theater with Literature with math and with science and they came up with a whole series of lesson plans that integrated with California standards for teaching these subjects in the classroom while also using theater which is kinesthetic which uses the body. This is where I want. This is what I want to hear. Yeah so how do you help? Kids learn vocabulary and and develop storytelling skills. And how do you take literature and put it on its feet? How can you begin to take Some theater exercises and take to multiplication tables and get them on their feet playing with it. There's tons of exercises around this kids learn by doing yes. I mean everybody's got these kids have an attention issue. They don't have an attention issue. They're bored. They're in a box in a desk. They've got to get up and move. You got to teach them in. Their body became really clear to me so a began to play with it and experiment with it and then we got a big grant and sorry. Did you use music as well? We used music. We use masks used everything we have to make three dimensional and fun and playful. It's not the only thing kids still have to read and write and all that but how do we make learning active at the core of this the core thesis was that you could develops language arts reading writing and speaking through theater and those are the core skills that really determine a person's longtime success? Yes you need math. I'm not putting that down. You Need Matthew need science but to get along the ability to communicate. Well that's a key in every thing between humans. Thank you and am animals. That is the key that's key. Don't you think it's an art though it's a it's learning how to communicate? It's it's learning how to communicate is learning how to use. How do I take the ideas in my head and synthesize them with the person who's next to me? We call that. Collaboration or dialogue How do I learn to listen to what's actually being said? And then what's underneath or what we call the subtext. How do I watch not only The body language but the face and begin to create empathy for another human being and all of this is inherent in the training of an actor. Now I was trying to produce more actors are trying to help Kids develop these essential skills through their own from their own. Internal being exactly. Yeah so we took a space at the Marin Ballet. They were very generous. We created a collaboration with Dominican University and low and behold after a couple of months we were serving thousands of kids that week and then I wrote curriculum. That went out to the to the schools. Did that for seven years. Very successful and And then Lucas was born my third sutton and I said to my wife. I never thought about money. You know I never ever thought about it. I made enough to live and save We kinda of lived. But there's something about When when a child is born go well? What if he wants horseback riding lessons? Where he he wants to go to camp. We gotTA figure out how to take this to another level and and I thought I who can I bring this to and I thought well people and organizations probably need to learn to indicate to? She's more they need the most. Yeah in so I did was put up. I print a card. I told a few people and Lo and behold I started being asked to come. Would you come to our law firm and work with the junior attorneys? Would you come to our accounting firm and it took a lot of the same principles that I was using it the kids and I would just reframe it because the basics didn't change context chain and then read everything I could. I got my hands on every business book. Every consulting book every book on Organizational Development and began to study linguistics and it became a student all over again. Wow there's so much to learn here. We students for the rest of our lives. Yes we are if we choose to to. Of course there's just stayed on the same thing and kept doing the same thing but suddenly this new world opened up to me and occurred to me that if you could if you could work with leaders leaders have such an impact on the people that they serve. both internally and externally and then You know. I was teaching at a gentleman by the new Dr George Cole Research Professor. He saw me teaching and he said you know. I'm doing a program in Switzerland for leaders. Could you take this and bring it over there and I said absolutely so he invited me to I? M D which is not really known here. But that's the number one business school in Europe teach over there and LO and behold. It just took off and that program became very very successful and a lot of people said will you come to my organization To a wide to IBM. Will you come to CISCO SYSTEMS WILL YOU COME TO WASHINGTON? Dc will you come to Warsaw? We come to Moscow. We come to London and Paris and I was running all over the place and teaching this coaching teams and going. I can't believe has been it was like it was wet paint to a dry barn. These couldn't get enough and I was getting tired and they said Sort of falling into the illusion that it had something to do with me and it occurred to me that this might not be me. There might be a methodology here so a fellow theater director said I'd like to do what doing and I said well. Why don't I teach you what I'm doing? Let's see if you can get the same results in other words. Let me write the recipe down. See if you can make the cake rise Lo and behold he went out and did it and the cake rose just as much and he brought his own style to it but we followed. This is a very specific methodology honed. After fourteen years of teaching and then I taught another guy and then and then another woman and then another guy another woman and now he's got a team of thirty people teaching this all over the world and we've created the stand deliver consulting group Amen. Yeah that's that's what it's all about so you can't have all on your shoulders. Well you can but you can't go very far. You can just go as far as you can travel on a plane right. So it's been a great honor to be able to share this and also to bring in a lot of my colleagues from the theater who have that analytical skill and talent. You have to be able to you know a lot of lot of learning happens by modeling you gotta be a model it And then to be able to read read the room and and to see what's what's really going on with them. Listening listening is is so important and I and I picked that up about you. Initially I thought. Well he's an articulate listener which you don't find too often so that is your gift one of your gifts. Well it's something I'm working on your whole life. Yes and it's subjective is well I know that for myself you know. Sometimes you don't want to hear things from somebody else but you know it's part of life we here's what I discovered it was part of you. Know what are the key ideas in the book is that we become seduced by our own ideas. We become enmeshed in them and we get get so caught up in them that we stop noticing. What's going on around us as the people that have the most difficulty with this are smart people Because it's very. They have their ideas so elegant. But you need to also stay present to what's happening with the other person with you speaking to one or one hundred right you're always in this dialogue of give and take how is it being received. Yes that's where you read the other people that are receiving if they are receiving it you. Yes you read and you demonstrate if you have genuine curiosity about the other you don't have to tell yourself to read it. You don't have to tell you something to listen. You genuinely curious about their condition. How is this being received how they doing? What's going on for them? I want to know more. And it's something that's too often lacking yes as our interest to to listen to be cured. Does I want to know more. I WanNa feel more of what's going with the other right right. And that's part of the artistry. I think it's a learned art. It's not a natural. We're not taught from this. You know or whatever it's it's it's an art yeah children great observers but they're not great listener and it takes remember learning. When with my daughter? I remember one of the teachers. Saying you know it takes two hundred times to say the same thing for them to get it because their body their mental and emotional aren't all in sync until like twenty five and after well it's questionable whether out the other thing is for them the world revolves around them and for many of us as we go into adulthood. We don't realize that the world doesn't it sure feels like it's my thing. Isn't it all about me? Yes and win? Some of US learned the hard way Anyway would you like to share some key things about your book as we speak your sure? Thank you are you? Are you ready for that or or my asking too soon? Have you finished what you want to say about the the listening? And that's a key element in the book You know if I were to boil the book down. What are the key principles in there What what I did is I look to communication. And I discovered that there were three essential elements to successful engagement and I would call successful engagement. Where the other person is moved through the interaction. If all you're doing is moving information the computer or those th- mobile phone will do that much better now if you have a data send me the PDF right. But you're saying the engagement of really the heart and the mind mindful spirits. Yeah that in the end if if the coming together of two individuals whether it's personal or professional if what is moved if the molecules have shifted that I've learned or changed or shifted in a positive way because of my engagement with you which might take a second or might take an hour if that has happened if I have moved you in a way that's consistent with my intention then it's a successful engagement as centers remove people in ways we didn't intend but it's still positive absolutely if all we you know there are people you spend you spend ten seconds with them and you don't know what it is but you feel like a million bucks afterward you go. I just love that guy man. I just like to take anything there. Other people you spend ten seconds with them and you feel like you've had the cheese sucked out. I needed a spread so one of the due to me what they take and so. What are the key principles in the book? Is that your your that. Were being intentional to be intentional. About how do I want to move my listener in either? A personal or professional setting. The book is geared more toward organizational communication. But all the same principles apply whether. I'm speaking to my kids the bigger than I but Whether I'm speaking to a team whether it was speaking to My partner what's my intention. What is the gift that I want to impart through from what I've what I've thought about or what I felt? How does this move from? Who I am to the other person. In a way that improves their condition. And when you're connected to that a wonderful generosity of spirit comes into play it on one of the things I'm asked about is the challenge of facing a crowd which can be ten or a thousand will. That challenge is much easier to overcome. When you know you're bringing in something that's a gift. Yes if you're in there to take the alarm system goes off and that's where a lot of the fear comes from right but when you have a real purpose There is a is a heroic quality that we all tap into. We find these resources of energy. The trembling doesn't go away the butterflies always there. You don't want them to go away. Keeps you on edge that you to to catapult exactly you WANNA be catapulted by some of that it can get to be too much and strangle you? But it's like you know the metaphor I say is when the butterflies there. It's because what they've come out of their cocoon they're like the ideas and they're ready to fly your your jobs to breathe into them. Yes let me read breeds. That is the key thing is breathing. Debris didn't let them go and to be to be generous so this triad talk about has to do with the three elements of communication which is content. Which is the ideas themselves. And how you've organized delivery using your body your voice in your eyes and the third element which is perhaps the most important but most often overlooked. Which is your state. Psychological had condition that you're the psychological emotional condition that you're in you're communicating is what gets transmitted more than anything else because you can have great ideas. You have a beautiful voice. But if you're angry if you're saying stressed if you're frightened that's what gets communicated absolutely and and it only gets communicated out but more importantly it get communicated up to the brain in a state of fear or anger frustration your ability to function. Your brain function is compromised avenue. I think yeah exactly it's self sabotage you've taken hostage by the emotion. Yeah so the ability and this is where I've drawn on my experience in the sports and theater when I was a tennis instructor as a Ski Instructor Woods. Put such an emphasis. And how do you get into the right mindset before the gate opens up three step on the court in the theater? We talk about emotional preparation. How do I get emotionally prepared for the character for the scene before I commend? But when we go into tough conversations or tough speech we often overlook the step and we do so at our own peril we have to learn a methodology ritual. If you will for how do I get into the state? That's consistent with the outcome. I'm trying to produce. So we've we've built this on these three elements of what I call high performance communication content delivery and state. That's the that's the sort of structure in which the book is based. Sounds good now of if we can get this all. I mean it's a key. It's a key for everyone. And Oh my gosh. I think of the political things that are going on today. The promotions that are happening and everything is like boy. Do they need your training anyway? We won't get on that subject because that's not fair but so are you still consulting like corporate level corporate political Hollywood producers organizations nonprofits. We still love working with schools. Do a lot of work with schools. You know teachers have some of the toughest jobs in the world. Twenty five weeks five days a week gotta get in front of the toughest audience in the world and storytelling and performance is not a required subject. It's which always struck me as odd. Why are we not teaching teachers how to hold the room how to use their voice how to how to capture a tough audience do Jean Houston I don't know her I forget the name of her father but her father was a storyteller and I listened to her. She is wonderful storyteller. She's a spiritualist. She has an organization here that she started of it. I think she lives up in Oregon up in Ashland but I I listen love listening to her because of her voice as well. She's a wonder and so I listened to her and I I want to develop that more so for myself you know but anyway We'll voice matters the sound the rhythm the cadence and the way in which you play. The music of the idea is just as important as the idea itself. And here's the myth. You have to have a good voice and we all have good voices. I met one person in my life and I worked with hundreds of thousands of people. I met one person who had a vocal problem. No matter what sound this person made it was. It was unpleasant. The rest of us have great voices but we have to learn to play it just like learning the clarinet. And you know there's so many beautiful notes in there and so many different ways only exercises. I often give people. Look if you're reading to your kids lead and practice your vocal variety. Assisted be dramatic bring that that fluctuation in the drama out. Yeah there are three I call sliders and the voices you know the opposite of of interesting is the same. You know what we call monotone opposite of monotone is variety so there are three ways of great variety with the voice. The first is through volume using the volume and in interesting ways to create emphasis or the drop down To build to a crescendo. But so long as it stays unpredictable the second is to play with the pitch to use some of the the upper notes the yellows pinks and the voice as well as the burgundies and the chocolate's I wanNA tones and the third wonderful way to say it yeah and the third is with Tempo Klay with the tempo a little bit. You know if you're reading Harry Potter you know. Suddenly Harry turned around and he didn't know what was happening but he had a feeling and he turned around and there she was her Miami but it brings the riches of the story to let yours. And that's what you do it. The voice we paint the picture. It's it's the artistry on on campus. Actually yeah but in the voice. Yeah so I tell. People read a read out loud and practice practice your instr- you have this wonderful instrument you don't have to take any lessons. You just gotTa stretch it a little bit in practice practice. Yes this is wonderful information. I so happy. You're sharing this because this'll go out to millions. Because I am really promoting my youtube and you can have the youtube. Put My goodness so in your wonderful knowledge and wisdom. What are something that you could share like some nuggets or whatever you WanNa call it that you know with her viewers that you know key things that I mean you've shared or early so much but something that maybe spontaneously you could think about. That would help them be more of their authentic self. Well let's see here's another key principle. Which is what what. What are the challenges that we face is that the attention span of the listener is rapidly shrinking by the day? Anybody who has kids knows this. Anybody who has a boss knows this. It's very hard to hold the other person's attention and so one of the questions we have to ask in it. What's fascinating is that? Nobody uses voicemail anymore. For example. People DON'T BELIEVE MESSAGES THIS. We don't want to talk on the phone. Just saddened the attacks and kidding really concerned about this. Series with the millenniums. Yeah well we have to ask. A question is the spoken word dead or dying or is it challenging us to redefine how we communicate and I prefer the latter. I prefer to think that with the development of computer technology. We are now moving in massive amounts of information at lightning speed. And it's not going away. We turn the cost. It's here and Wifi is going to be everything's going on for you know a generation where we didn't have any of that but we can lament the days when you know when you wanted to. You had to get on your bike and go down the block. You couldn't tax but we're not going back to that so kids are going to go. You know what's up except when you're walking across the street doing this when there's a red light. I Honk Adam. Wake them up. It's like they jump you know but it's like come on be conscious. I'm really concerned about it. I see it every day. I see them and they're not engaging with their words. There's the series issue. Well we have to ask. Can they be engaged? And the answer is yes which I believe everybody can be engaged. They're engaged. They're just not interested in the way we used to communicate. And maybe for good reason maybe for good reason because most of the information that I see is information and if all you want is information you can get it from a computer. If we'RE GONNA ask the people in an organization or the kids in school or members of family to put everything down and come into the room and listen to US speak. We're going to have to ask a bigger question about how bue relevant. And that's the challenge. How do you create relevance? Which is another word is another way of saying. How do you make this interesting? How do you make it compelling? How do you make them want to put this thing down and go? I want to listen to this. I'll give you an example. Do you do you think's sorry we lose your thoughts won't know do you think that it's because they have been. It's an entourage of so much information that they have gotten that they they process it faster. I know that and so. It's something really has to take their attention absolutely. They're getting ten thousand bids for their attention given day. So if you say you want to talk to your tour guide in on one of those double decker buses and San Francisco say guys. I want your attention. Now you're GONNA have to figure out how to get them to put those phones down and it's not going to happen in the way that people spoke to us when we were kids. You're going to have to be much more relevant. And and here's an example so when a teacher teaches a lesson not all teachers but when when when somebody who has an expertise wants to teach a lesson with the usually do is say all right so today we're going to learn about. We take it for granted that they want to learn about that and sometimes they don't they generally don't in organizations we bring them together today. What I WANNA talk to you about. Well that's why you WanNa talk about. Have what about what I need. I sit down with my team. I make the same mistake by the way today. When I WANNA talk to you about what? I need to get off my chest what I need to say. Listen to what I'm saying. This is all about my need me. I say to people all the time is it. What's the what's the speech about? And he goes. Well Peter what I want this to be about what I want to say. Look save it for your mother. She's the only one who cares about what you WANNA talk about. She'll listen to you all day. Your mom and your therapist just all what you talk about. We have to ask a different question and it starts with this number one. What is my outcome for them? By the end of this they will have much more confidence in terms of their ability. Or they will have some clarity or they will understand or they will be excited about and what I've done is I've shifted off myself. By the end of this my son will see a clear path to the second question. Why should he care? And this is the question that almost everybody overlooks. Why should he care about this? Why should any kid want to learn about the civil war? Why and if you can't answer that question you're probably not gonNA be able to get their attention and we call that the ramp. How do you elevate the conversation to the highest possible level? When I started fundraising for the theater school years ago I used to go in and say we're doing amazing work and I need your help to get it done and I would get no no no no 'cause I was in there I need I want I need I want and of course I knew I was doing something that I thought was noble. Why don't you get it and this is where it suddenly occurred to me that board that group of people is there because they're trying to get their needs met and began to shift the conversation. My father taught me this time ago. He taught it to me. My father was being on writing letters and he said shift the I. U. Ratio in your letters instead of. I is studying every sentence with I. If you look at your emails you'll see. We almost always do it. I I. My dad used to call it. Is here the cinnamon speaking so I began to say look. You're all here because they think you're aware that here in Marin County. We're seeing more and more kids that are disenchanted with school. Dropout rate's going up crime among youth. More and more kids and of you are asking yourselves. How can you have an impact? How can you create a change today? When I'm going to talk about is healthier can change children's lives. I elevate the conversation to something that they care about instead of. I need you to clean up the room. It's I wanNA talk to you about some of the ways in which you can start to get a little more freedom and independence and autonomy. How does that sound you had that? I'm definitely interested in that. This brain just opened up. I don't always get that perfect. You know you're on the right track but if we want somebody to listen we're going to have to start going. Let me stand in their shoes and ask what are the psychological emotional spiritual and business needs of the other and speak to those needs. Because when you're meeting SOMEBODY'S NEEDS. They will walk through fire for you. Very if you're just talking about what you want to turn offs. Yeah I mean if I really really love you I might listen but even then your mom's still wants you. She wants to hear about her to so changing not just the IU but putting yourself in the position of how meet the other person's needs and that becomes what we call the frame of the ramp. So you're you're always you're setting out from the start by going. My outcome is focused on improving your condition. And if if you think about if you think about it we have about one hundred conversations every week. We probably have a thousand meetings a year and each and every one of those. We left people a little. Bit more uplifted. If we create clarity withers confusion if we create certainty whether doubt if we can create a little bit more laughter where there's You know depression. You leave a little bit of a gift. Little light with every single human being. That's a life with living. You put your head down at the end of the night and goal. It made a difference today in some small way. Yes yes you don't need to be leader of an organization. You don't need to have any special equipment. You don't need a camera help but one person at a time -solutely and that's what I do every day. We aspire to this. Yes yes yes and it feels good. But I don't think about it. I just do you just per me part of your character. Yeah you know. I don't WanNa get hung up on the ego part. You know I just keep doing it. I have to remind myself. Well you hear. So we're human. We're human you know and I do have to remind myself of that. To be honest. We're spiritual beings in a human body outside anyway. How did you develop such a a gift for conversation? We ended up developing you. Are we allowed to ask the host? Yes we just fine. You know. It's funny I reflect back on my report cards in elementary school and I would always get in trouble for talking too much no matter what I remember having to go stand in the corner because I was talking too much and then I shut down for a while I do. I shut down for a while because I'm I'm dyslexic and I know I'm add. So I shut down when I got a little older. When things started coming at me that we're challenging. I shut down but then reemerged again because my self esteem but I I. I don't know I just think it's important to communicate communication's key so I guess I had it in me way back when and I was also born in our age baby what what are H. Baby and I think because I had to fight for my life might. It's when you're you're mother's negative and your father's positive and after now it doesn't happen because they have an antidote for it but it's When the third child is born soon as they cut the umbilical cord. I was dying because my blood was going bad. Yeah so they had to take me in transfused my blood so I know that's affected me for life you he's just. I've only met one other person that went through this. So you know it's I guess there's a part of me that's grateful to be alive and like. I said I see my dad's sometimes would say to me. You think so positive dough rock the boat because I speak my words you now that I've learned when to say things and when and how you say it and it takes practice on how to say things eloquently it's a life long gut it yes it is absolutely. Yeah but it's worth it. It's absolutely worth it. Well we have about three minutes less work. Could you give us? You've been given so much in. Thank you Peter for sharing all this. This is such golden information and I can't wait to get it out there to share it because you've given so much information in in teaching you know everybody can use it. Well I'll say a few words about state and also can I. Can I tell people how to reach me? If they want to share a well put it on the and when we do the final editing. I'll put it on there okay. I've got that NPR. So we're we're the stand deliver group and we do about four times a year. We will do it program where where people can come. Individuals come in and do them. We're doing more and more of those but the third part is so. How do you address your state? Not just overcome nerves. But how do you bring yourself to an optimum psychological and emotional state and there are really three pathways and I've looked at this my whole life but the first is to understand how your body affects your your your mental state when when we hunched over when our physical position is clenched down? It's very hard to be in a resourceful state. So there is a a pattern that the body goes into when it's generous when it's open when it feels courageous. There's also a breathing pattern for almost every emotion so getting into the breathing pattern that you connect with when you're really when you really alive when you're excited when your purpose for the second way is through what we call the mind's eye what you focus on becomes your reality. The problem is we're often hardwired to focus on the negative. We're hardwired to look at the dangers around us. That's how we've stayed alive for the last few hundred thousand years. Yeah we look for the danger. A high performer has to look for the possibility you have to rewire the brain. Like an athlete A skier going through the gate on a downhill race isn't asking what if I fall? She's asking how do I shave to hundreds of a second of my time? The third is through your beliefs the core beliefs. You have about what you're doing high stakes situation. A belief is a feeling of certainty. About what something means how you interpreting the things around you. What set of glasses are you using to interpret the event the event itself is meaningless? But we create stories about it. I see somebody looking at their watch. When I'm speaking I can go. We'll that means he's bored. I Dunno maybe. He's just concerned because he has to make his next meeting. He doesn't WanNa miss the last part of what I have. What story is GonNa Bring me forward? I can look at my past and go. Well it's a difficult past. And that's why I'm the wear angle it made me who I am. The overcoming. Those obstacles made me stronger. Wouldn't wish it on anybody but we have to pay attention to our attention. What is what are the stories that we've created around the obstacles and if you're attentive to your state if you get clear about how you're bringing a gift to each individual and stay conscious about how you delivering it. Your communication is always improving. It's always improving in service of the other Amen? That's wonderfully said and with that we're done already. Okay Oh yes it has thank you. We hope you enjoy today's episode of wealth. Transformation we encourage you to apply the Information. You've learned with our wise guests to make your life better and make good changes. We appreciate you more than you know for being a part of our podcast when you were moved or motivated please let us know how the show influenced your life. 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012. Three Days of the Condor (1975)

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012. Three Days of the Condor (1975)

"Hello, and welcome to spy hearts podcast for the next hour your hosts will go deep undercover into the world of spy movies to decipher witch films make the NOC list but remember this information is strictly for your is only I'm agent Scott. And, I'm Cam the PROVOCATEUR and Cam, I do believe we have a special agent joining US light. Room That's right. He's waiting in the wings. Tyler who works with me on the sub space transmissions podcast is going to swing by to tackle today's movie. I'm very excited speaking of Cam. What is today's movie? We are going to take on the nineteen seventy, five drama three days of the Condor starring a young up and comer named Robert Redford. Never have rights you off is the synopsis of three days of the condor from litterbox dot com, his CIA codename Condo in the next seventy, two hours almost everyone he trusts will try to kill him a bookish CIA researcher finds all his Co. work is dead and must outwit those responsible until he figures out who he can really trust. You know what I was GonNa make some sort of joke like this one, a C on my cam letter grade for letterbox synopsys. Could give this one, a C for Condor. But you know what that would just be if I were to do that now I would just be. For the sake of being smug I actually think this one's pretty effective I'll give it a B plus. I think a complete Heim run but it's to the point and doesn't give too much away, which is what I really look forward and things. Yeah I it's effective. Whoever wrote that good job thank you. I appreciate it. As we said last week neither of Sane this film going into this week. So we're not GONNA do all usuals of previous thoughts on the film. What we're GONNA do is go straight into the background and then we'll talk about the film itself when guest joins us later, which means this over to you cam for a little bit of behind the scenes. Yes, three days of the Condor is a movie that despite being a very highly regarded entry in the spy genre, it's back story in terms of the production is actually fairly minor like it seems like it was just a well oiled machine that. They got the right people together and it happened. But what really kind of got the ball rolling with this movie was D- writer. James. Grady wrote the novel. It was his debut novel six days of the condor, not three days six days it was more expanded in novel form. I would say and the rights to it were snapped up by Dino, delores, and producer Stanley Schneider and the idea would be that they were going to make this film as a Warren Beatty vehicle and it would be directed by a guy named Peter Yates. Now Peter Yates is not a name that has really I, think. Had A lot of longevity in terms of us. Making instant connections with what he's done. But Peter Yates directed the Steve McQueen classic bullet as well as the one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty s sword and sorcery film crawl which I know a lot of people have a Lotta time for crawl. Are you one of those people Scott I mean before we did this I was hosting a one man podcast. Cool. Crawl hats. Didn't go anywhere unfortunately knowing that. It didn't go anywhere kind of like the movie crawl. and so Warren Beatty was circling but ended up going with the Para lacks view instead and left this movie kind of in his wake, and at that point Robert Redford jumped on board with this film and somewhere along the line, I couldn't find an exact specific incident or moment or timeline or anything in terms of where Peter. Yates left. It seems like once Redford joined that you know Robert Redford had a long collaboration with Sydney Pollack the. Director of this film and so I feel like once Robert Redford came on Sydney Pollack just kind of joined amputations kinda faded out like I. Don't think it was a big dramatic takeover anything I think just Peter Yates left to do other things or maybe human redford just didn't have the you know maybe they didn't get along that greater just didn't You know flourish in each other's presents the way that Redford obviously did with Sydney Pollack. Now Sydney Pollack was director who had started a lot of TV. He's also an actor and a producer and He really broke through after years of doing TV and some maybe lesser known movies with the film they shoot horses don't they which got him an Oscar nomination for best director that was Jane Fonda Film in the Early Seventy S, and he had worked with Robert Redford, before they had worked together in one thousand nine. Sixty six on Tennessee Williams adaptation called this property is condemned This is not a movie that I am familiar with it all. So this doesn't lead me to believe that it's probably held up maybe the best it's not one of the better remembered Redford Sydney Pollack collaborations, but I should check it out but that was the first working together nineteen, sixty six, and then they would go on to do Jeremiah Johnson in nineteen, seventy two. And the way we were in one, thousand, nine, seventy three which co stars, Barbra streisand in which was a massive hit and over the course of their careers work together seven times Sydney Pollack was very much Robert. REDFORD's go to collaborator. Certainly, sounds like they got that Social Ronin, Joe Rights. Connection. With. Hannah as well. Yeah or even the caprio Scorsese thing and Deniro Scorsese as well and It's it's interesting to that. Sydney pollick is someone who obviously comes out of the gate working with Redford a lot and a lot and I mean up until nineteen ninety I. think There are last movie together Havana I was GonNa say Hannah a movie we covered previously but Is the name of that film and. Robert REDFORD would go on to be a director on his own. He would direct ordinary people in nineteen eighty as well as he did the Horse Whisper in ninety eight I can't help. But wonder how much of REDFORD's. Work as a director was influenced by all these collaborations with Sydney Pollack, it must have been something along the way, but it's interesting. You've mentioned to holes related films in the last two minutes I. Think we might be turning into horse hearts again. That's right. Horse Arts are spinoff podcasts coming soon to a podcast APP near you. Sydney Pollack. Of course, we should note would go on to be nominated for directing officers a few times he would be nominated for tootsie as well which he directed with Dustin Hoffman? He would end up winning two Oscars for producing and directing out of Africa in the Eighties Meryl Streep Film also with Robert. Redford. So there you have it Robert. Redford was the key to Oscar gold for Sydney Pollack. Hey. If you know it works for you just keep going back to that well. I've just curious got have you ever seen out? Of Africa out of Africa? No. I can't say something I have heard of it is one of the most tedious Oskar Bait Films I've ever watched like I have I. You know a handful years ago when and watched every best picture nominee and that was one of the toughest sits of the mall. It's not a movie I don't think that's held up well at all, but it's very picturesque. It's very beautiful landscapes it along fillmore there's just nothing happens basically Oh Scott you don't win an Oscar in the eighties if you're movies not like three hours. Okay. That's not actually true but it is an Oscar standby. If you make a three hour brick or your, you have a good shot, it certainly sounds like something I would probably miss. It's not when I'd highly recommend but. The writing on this film is really interesting because you have this James Grady novel and they bring in another writer named Lorenzo simple junior to flesh this out into a screenplay. Now, Lorenzo semple junior maybe doesn't jump out as a name that you know everyone knows off the off the Bat I David Mamat people know who David Mamat, Mamadou a rubber town or something, but Lorenzo simple junior had a huge impact on my life Scott maybe the biggest impact of any writer in history of the medium he created in the nineteen sixties the Adam West Batman show he wrote the pilot and was the creator of that show. Says he of those guys of credited for the rest of the show because he sat out the template of what it looked like. He did as well as he also did right other episodes. He also wrote the nineteen, sixty, six Batman, the movie also starring out West. There's a connection for you I know you're a big old Batman Fan. You haven't brought out Batman podcast yet, but we're waiting for. Bad Hearts. Coming. Soon. And I don't want to just make it sound like Lorenzo simple junior just wrote condor and Batman. He had a pretty rich filmography. He wrote a Papillon Dustin Hoffman. Steve. McQueen drama, which is really good. He wrote para. Lacks view with Warren Beatty he wrote the nineteen seventy-six Disaster King Kong when they for Dino delores actually the same producer as condor. And he also wrote this is notable Scott never say never. The Sean Connery. Unofficial James Bond Film my favorite unofficial James Bond film I always buy film. And fans of you know movies like crawl may also appreciate that Lorenzo simple junior also wrote flash? Gordon the one, thousand, nine, hundred film. I honestly thought you were GONNA say some. So if wholesale mikey wrote. Warhorse or in grow something, not really tie into horse hearts theme. that. Classic. Fan Favorite Horse Girl. Hey, I'd like Allison Brie. Is that a movie never even heard of it it's a it's a netflix movie. I should be a bad thing I mean have the Irishman but yeah, it's a netflix movie. Okay I wasn't actually familiar I just thought you were trying to create like me out of thin air and I was like course can worse carol. Stream project. I'm. I'M GONNA cost Allison Brie a horse. Well something to check out I. Guess Folks at a certain point. They did bring in another writer David Rayfield who is basically worked on every single Sydney Pollack Movie So He's very much Sydney Pollack's go-to guy he worked on Jeremiah Johnson the way we were he also worked on Sabrina the remake with Harrison Ford as well as the firm with Tom Cruise which Sydney Pollack directed and so he's obviously go to guy came in and his major job was to redefine the Kathy Hale character played by Faye dunaway originally in the book. And I guess also the first screenplay, she was a kind of lonely secretary type and he decided to make her more of a sophisticated photographer and give a little more sophistication dot character. I never to get into some of the film itself although behave I can't see the roots of that Yeah. You can definitely see the threads there. That would between the two drafts it does exist onscreen. Yeah and you know this movie is notable because it was of several political conspiracy thrillers to appear in the wake of the Watergate scandals and you know this movie. It was very much arriving at the right time and place, and it was obviously a hit because of that the movie costs seven point eight million and made domestically twenty, seven million, which this is still the era where it's very tough to track down any international numbers but it at least in America it did quite well, it was number six I believe for the year rape between return of the Pink Panther and funny lady the Sequel to Funny Girl starring rubber Redford's coast are from the way we were Barbra streisand no film. I think I've seen. I've seen funny girl which is actually really entertaining. I've heard funny. Lady is really bad. So I haven't watched it not because it's necessarily bad. I'll watch bad movies but it's like two and a half hours or something. So that is kind of the drawing line for me. Do you automatically dismiss all films over two thousand, twenty, five minutes? No but if they're considered really bad that is more of A. I. Don't know I can. I can invest like ninety minutes to two hours for a bad movie totally. But when you start getting to that two and a half three hour mark I'm like. ooh I. Don't know I that doesn't mean I won't do it. I've watched plenty of bad movies that are really long but it's more it takes time for me to get around to them. Sunken cost theory like do you want to invest your time in something United GonNa? Hate Right. I am more likely to watch them. If I'm kind of going down a rabbit hole of watching the various films from a director or an or an actor or something like that. Then I'm more likely to kind of bad and watch something like that. But in terms of just grabbing out of thin air on a Saturday night unlikely what do you grab in air on Saturday night? A lot of old horror movies I'm trying to think Yeah. A lot of all I I tend to go to old horror movies or I do lately have been doing a lot of Westerns I guess old westerns with like Jimmy Stewart. Anything else for us on the film. Yeah. So just a some notes on the year that was nineteen, seventy, five on the box office, the number one movie was Steven Spielberg's jaws, which pretty much changed. The way that films are released jaws movie that they decided just go wide and open it in every theater that was available at once instead of doing the classic platform release where they opened a movie, you know in a couple of cities and then build from there with buzz jaws. Open everywhere, it was a massive hit and movies were never the same business. So jaws where the term blockbuster came from or or less. Yeah, I mean, there've been blockbusters I guess in the past a movie like psycho for example, in nineteen sixty, it would have long lines because people would be waiting to get in. It's more about I. Guess just the Long Lines to get into a movie but the thing was jaws very much created the event movie. Event movies existed in the past but they happened more by accident they weren't intended going forward. Event movies would be something that the studios were trying to engineer. You know these big summer movies that makes sense that may have we have multiplexes as they are referred to as by that point what we still in mostly single room cinema us. Yeah, we're still in single rooms, right? Okay. Explains the lines. Yeah. Exactly and so yeah. Jaws number one, number two is one flew over the CUCKOO's nest. which like swept the Oscars that year with best actor Best Actress Best Picture Best Director. And that Number Three We have shampoo starring Warren Beatty, and I have a little x mark here because another movie on this list that I think if you were to look at its. Cumulative gross may actually rank in the top three is rocky horror picture show it was not a big hit the came out but I feel like if you were to add up all the grosses on that movie, it probably knocks out shampoo right? It has to I. Mean This is pre Cova, but it plays at least three cinemas I know of every Friday night here in London and. That's London Yeah exactly like there's revival screenings constantly for like however many years that is like forty something years for five years. I have a hard time believing it hasn't knocked out shampoo shop was a movie that I haven't seen I've heard it's actually really worth watching, but it maybe hasn't held up in the public eye the same way that jaws and one flew over the CUCKOO's nest have. Think of Shampoo I always get confused hairspray you know what so do I actually Shampoos with Warren? Beatty as I think Hollywood hairdresser or something like that you can see it. We both get confused with that one but I mean, no one goes to shampoo revivals in a corset and stockings well, not most people comey. That's actually my Saturday night. It's just by yourself just like selling tickets to your in house. Basically, that's all right. I'll just two other movies all note on the highest grossers that year down lower on the list like a round number nineteen Again, it's very hard to gauge exact numbers when you're talking about the pre nineteen, seventy, seven box office but at number nineteen, we had the great Waldo Pepper, which was another Robert Redford vehicle. I haven't seen it but it's quite notable. So Robert Redford did quite well this year also opening this year probably around the great Waldo pepper numbers again tough to track down inexact exact one, the man who would be king, which is notable for starring Sean, connery and Michael. CAINE, which was a big adventure kind of back and really great movie. That's the Sean. Connery. Bond and Harry Palm Hip Chris File. Smash. avengers style film that we all wanted. That's right back in the day before cap and Ironman, we had Canaan connery. Mortgage you one. That's right. So yeah, that kind of wraps up the behind the scenes on three days of the condor for me. I guess I'll toss it over to you Scott. Okay. Cam For my extensive background in telephonic work. I think our guest is ready to join us. So Scott, we were very special guest this time joining us the CO host of the subspecies transmissions podcast, which I co host with him Tyler Orton. Hey great to be here I am coming in through my get smart phone booth that has a trap door that leads me to the secret layer, the secret studio that you guys are record. For one podcast booth to another. Are you guys both wearing a cone of silence or did I just come here looking like a Dork? No we have one pretty much every day of our lives. Okay. Okay. So can't wait to talk to you guys about get smart I watched it like three times leading pursue today's podcast. Yeah that pilot. Zinger. Well I mean cam you telling me you you brought a friend to the meeting so I was feel comfortable. That's that's correct. Yes. Yeah. End, we're on this film but. So, Tyler take a second telephone what these substrates transmissions podcast is well. We've been doing this for what five or six years now and I think we take really irreverent look at Star Trek it's not that very academic because you and I. We are clearly not academics, but it's not that academic study. That's can sometimes be a little bit dry you. We've done things like best musical moments biggest what the F. moments as well on the show we're doing a lot of episode reviews for the series right now we're doing star Trek Laura Jackson. We're looking forward to star trek discovery, but I think we're willing to kind of make fun of the series while still bask in the glory that this franchise has to offer. That's right. Lot Of hilarity and a lot of insight. I like to think I am. As funny. That's the Kinda hilarity you listeners can expect to. Okay now Scott, what are we going to be doing now? Well, you've also question I always ask. Hey, I'll just be us this week at this. Yeah. We're looking at the three days of the Condor, the Robert Redford film. I'm going to throw over to our guests, Tyler. What did you think I love this guy's okay. You can debate the NOC list when you get to the end but I'm I'm like this is like nineteen seventy cinema the way that I always romanticize it I cannot believe I've never actually seen this movie it Robert Redford is plane what? Analyst Joe Turner or as I kept calling him in my head. Jack reacher for some reason it seemed as if he was kind of the Tom, clancy genesis story is going on. But that my initial take of three days of condor very good and Scott what about you? I had no knowledge of this film prior to us, coming up with it for the PLO cost. But I thoroughly enjoyed it on my second watch on my I watch I was supremely confused. You're like it Chris land all over again at least I knew what was going on and I didn't like it and this. But I didn't know what was going on. It's funny because this movie I was positive, I'd seen it when I put it on the list of movies for us to cover I was like Oh yeah. Of course, three days of the condor. It's great. I've seen it, and then I, went through my archives of where I look at you know what I thought of movies in the past I, keep it on the computer and I realized I'd never seen it and I think I was just confused because maybe the spy game came out with. You Know Robert Redford and Brad Pitt and a lot of the reviews talked about connections to three days of the condor and I thought I need to see that movie and apparently in my mind I did see it but I never actually physically saw it. So diving into it this time I was very excited because it's like a seventies gem that I just for some reason had bypassed and I thought it was a real like just like who'd really to watch you bypassed it or spy passed it. Oh good. Comedy Gold on sub space transmissions like this listeners. Look. Forward. Carrying that branding right over despite hearts. pocus down now go over there and listen to them instead because it's clearly better. But. I was like really just riveted throughout this. I am really finding myself drawn to these mundane spy world's kind of like get crystal where everything's just a little bit. You know working class kind of look to it a little bit ramshackle but there's all this intrigue going on underneath and I loved all of the cat and mouse stuff throat this movie so. Yeah. I was really down with it, but it does not depend on like Michael Bay editing. It's like longshot shots it's slowly moving I. There's even just moments where he recreates the crime scene using like a pen and notepad, which they would just dare to do it in a lot of these contemporary spy genre films like he could you imagine that Ryan, Reynolds movie. Doing, something like with a notepad for like four minutes. What deadpool That's breaking the fourth wall right there. I was at an underground is underground six. I could want finish that one. I was confused with. Six underground or I was also thinking of safe. House. The other Ryan, Reynolds that spy film I, I again, another one that I skipped. Yeah good choice but. No I agree like I like kind of the Lo fi approach to spycraft. We're seeing in some of these older spy movies obviously, they didn't really have an option. Because honestly like writing on pen and paper ages better than some of the computer stuff in these movies. Also, ages well. Fight scenes that are actually well choreographed in which you actually know what the mailman is doing. There's actually a kind of a story line going on as it escalates and escalates and they grab like other weapons to other I was not confused for a single moment watching his nineteen seventies movie, which I would not call it an action movie but this action sequence within it I I was just kind of sucked into everything that was going on there, and that's the trick isn't it? You can actually see the fight scene unlike hypocrites file. When Time. That's cold. Scott pushed down the stairs. It's like who to grow the. Fire. I really enjoyed that fight as well in. A apartment or whatever I liked it. The mailman assassin did not look at any way like a physical specimen like some of the born assassins and yet the fight was intense and these guys just never stopped going at each other and it was like a game of I like chess basically who could get the gun and fighting always different techniques to keep the gun away I. think there's a reason. This movie got an Oscar nomination for editing. Did you give it to them? No it's just a nomination personally, but I, you're right. I would give them the Oscar for it although I think the Oscar probably went to jaws. So well, actually I gotta go backwards on that would actually. Sorry. Okay. Now, I get some guys even just the atmosphere of this like I. I'm listening to even just the soundtrack. It seems a little dated because it is very seventies but that actually put me in the mood for this kind of movie as well aided. Listened to every morning. Recommendations is just like seventy s jazz. It's also his nickname in highschool. That's right. No I agree with you tone was set effectively immediately with just that music and the shots of New York although I was surprised. This is nineteen seventy five New York looked a lot nicer than a lot of the other movies shot in the seventies New York. Like. How much of this was shot in new? York. Like I'm curious because it is also just kind of throws you for a loop when you see say the World Trade Center Senator Films. So prominently but there's also moments where they're like Washington DC it really did Kinda put you in the the moment versus Let's be honest. There's some spy movies. That's either pretending to be New York or London where if you look closely, it's like Vancouver or Toronto, and you don't quite get the same atmosphere built out of that. I'm sure Cam can correct me if I'm wrong but I've been to New York several times and I actually recognized places from New York that they were standing. So I would actually put money on the film to all there. Yeah. I just looked at IMDB. All the shooting locations were pretty much new. York. Okay. So Scott was that favorite location of yours was it like spyros the the pizza chain now just hung around outside the New York postal time. Waiting to mail then. Waiting. Fighting them. I was thinking those Scott at some point you and I should just start globe-hopping and doing extensive tours of all of the locations of these movies starting with the. This reenacting fight scenes across the world. Own, my God. Yes. You guys have made some progress at least with some of the James Bond flicks though getting photos together. It's true. That's true. Yeah and we'll talk about that movie in the future with you, Tyler. Yeah can't wait. There in the background. That's right. Oh that's my life when it comes to three third wheeling it with you guys that story will make a lot more sense listeners when we tackled diamonds are forever and that's what I'm here to not make sense. But to bring it back to tie this point in terms of the atmosphere, it flows throughout this film. The soundtrack is great and you feel like you're in that gritty seventies New York everything just fills, right? Yeah like I just immediately was impressed and a little bit sad about how. Effectively. This movie said it's tone because you think of so many movies nowadays and Tyler you kind of hit on a key point there where they show, you know and establishing shot of new. York and then it's immediately shot in Georgia or Montreal or something, and you don't get that same atmosphere that's conveyed as quickly as you do in a movie like this, where I didn't have to spend any time getting into the mindset of the atmosphere that happened immediately. So I could just get involved with the characters. Even just moments where the okay. You've got the rain pouring down at the start of the movie that's building atmosphere but you also just you know that you're in for a good ride when the script is being clever from the get go just even the way that Robert Redford's Joe. Turner. Character has to get out of this kind of a sort of front. That they're working out of it was clever because the security guard is like no no, you can't go that way. It's like whatever I'm GonNa, go at the back exits and you're like Oh. This screenwriters are actually thinking this through making plausible whereas lot of the contemporary movies they just they wouldn't even give it a second thought about how Joe Turner escaped from this. Entire situation could you also imagine a movie being made nowadays where the character of Joe Turner is like this like a guy who's just kind of a reader? He's not particularly You know he's not someone who's dying to be in the field. He's introduced on a moped wearing a to look really history like he's he's definitely not someone who comes across as the. Way. They would write this. You know like a spy on the run. Now wait until they hire timothy shallow may to take over the next Jack reacher movie like that. That franchise has been reinvented you as if you're kind of falling the same arc with Jack reacher single movie though or it's like he's the bookish guy who's thrust into the the the sort of. Machinations of these worlds and he's got turn action hero by the end back for second. What's the Tuke? Oh, the Heidi's wearing a beanie I guess. Americans in the Lakewood, call it a beanie. I'm just filling in the gaps for the rest of the world guys yet now. Speaking of the the opening with Ro record on the bicycle which I found completely bizarre just like laughing at cars coming costing me it definitely establishes him as a Quirky Guy. Yes and I mean I do love the idea of nineteen seventy-five Robert redford being the bookish quirky. Guy. The ultimate. Like matinee movie star would it be like Ben Affleck starring in Accountant? Well. Yeah. You know what? That's pretty close although they give the accountant kind of more bad ass things more bad ass traits like he's an assassin I'm trying to think of an example though of someone who's It's like this is a character who would be like Timothy Shallow may casting choice if you were to write like a bookish analyst character now but instead they put Alden Ehrenreich in the role, right? That's God. No please. It's like I I don't know I remember. Ten things I don't know she's old atten and essentially like recently cook is walking around and glasses and everyone thinks she's like a total go. But as soon as they take glasses off, oh, they realized that person's hot is kind of like trying to make Robert Redford. Look on. Cool. The entire time he looks pretty damn cool. He is and this is one of I. Think his one of his best I've seen movie star performances of this era where. It's a very in many ways nondescript character, and he doesn't get big scenes of reactions and everything, but he feels so human and a lot of time he feels like he's a little outside of us. You know mere mortals in his films and I was totally on board with his you know basically being on the run because. You could really read all of the moments of apprehension and excitement and tension on his face throughout it was very open performance and just to go back to that. So of opening as well as his quirkiness that actually saves his life in the beginning because if he hadn't gone out the back gave he hadn't been. Over, capable his job that he knows exactly what time to leave when the when the weather stops. He's not goes out the back door and doesn't get assassinated. That just propels is through the rest of the film. He has these ways set of skills get him. We'll keep them alive I should say assassination skills. He well, he wishes. Or maybe doesn't wish but it's even interesting that like he's just he's got the gun and he's a bad. So he's not able to do this assassination technique and the CIA bigwigs kind of comment on it. They're like, how is this kind of bookworm learning how to shoot a guy directly in the neck? Yeah and the fact that there's that sequence where they try to take him out and he does shoot the guy down and they're like, how did this happen and it's like must have been a fluke. I was just thinking about Faye dunaway character as well. 'cause. You are kind of giving her kind of the thankless nineteen seventies. Co. Star. Sort of job here in what she's like the helpless woman, she's literally like in shackles at various points of this movie I think it benefits lot from just dunaway as an actress actually like kind of bringing some of this character and I'm just incredibly jealous of that New York apartment that she gets to live in into. Yeah those are. The days where if you had a relatively meagre job, you could have a palatial estate in New York. I couldn't figure out where I knew fade away from for a little while and I was watching the Matanza it was network. That's the only other thing I think I've seen her in, which is a great film I thought. You were gonNA say supergirl too. I have not response for that. I've never seen that film and I never will. Well one day Scott for us. Kara in that one or is it? I have seen that I just I, think mostly. Blanket for my memory she's the villain in that I? Don't remember the characters. Okay. Yeah. But I mean she's also in Chinatown, which is the other big. Maybe I mean fade away was a huge deal and seventies which I feel is lost on a lot of modern viewers who don't know her that well. But in the nineteen seventies, Fay dunaway was top tier. They also gave her like good like lines like her dialogue did not suck in this I I mean I I would I would write little notes down and she would say what a volunteer or drafty like me or even just kind of being very derisive after she and Robert Redford consummated the relationship Just. Like I don't know always depend on the old spy effort. That sorta stuff I'm just like, Oh, they're actually like kind of imbuing this character with actual characterizations just in the way that the letter speak freely as opposed to just kind of blank position that often faces a lot of these characters. Spy effort was almost our name for this podcast. WHO Think that. Well, we're still I decided and don't think when that line popped up that wasn't my immediate thought to write a note down about that joke. But yeah like that character, we've seen a similar character with Franken potentates character in the Bourne identity and the similarities between the two actually jumped out at me quite a bit. But you're right like could have been a very eye rolling character. I mean, let's face it. There's still some I rolling stuff going on here the relationship being consummated stuff you're like, okay like that. was embarrassing to watch it like this super romantic, looking like the way that they lit it the way that they edited film debts I it just makes me think about Dave attell joke this stand up comedian and he's just like telling kids want you go to the zoo and see how monkeys do it, and that's how it actually should be shot in movies. Yeah I mean. It's asking us to To put up with a lot to get to that consummation scenery or like a he's had this woman like held hostage for. Like three hours four hours. The seems very quickly and I think a lot of it is hugely dependent on the fact it's Robert Redford. Oh, I have written down in my notes. It's a Kathy Equals Classic Stockholm Syndrome right how If you're captured by someone but right Cam if it wasn't Robert. Redford if it was, you know you. Only Omay I think it with a completely different story but. She's definitely a stop currents enjoy case and that sex scene whether. Cutting she's been taking like Spicer not in with the jazz music again, and is is really really put together that scene. I feel like the photo montage, the back and forth is to Kinda show this character who's an observer, all her life, and this is a moment of experience and so it's kind of like the life before and the life after is. Trying to recruit her after this movie we need to save our oilfields. You're the only one that can help us Faye dunaway. Take some photos please. Make sure they're black and. Otherwise. How will you know it's oil Oh. What did you think of? Like, did you were you happy with the resolution to that character in the film with her going off Vermont? I mean, what else do you do with the character where I? It's Robert Redford. He is the white male lead in a nineteen seventies movie I. Guess they did the best they could with done are ways exit, but it's Mainly, my expectations are just so I guess I could just go sure okay I think though a different movie they would have had some sort of happily ever after and I liked that she has that bit of dialogue to him about I know you're not gonna live that long or something like that, and you get that final shot of you know just being frozen black and white of him in the streets and there's some ambiguity like he may get killed. Two minutes later like we don't know like a movie nowadays, you would have had that Bourne identity ending where she selling like I dunno soaps on the seashore and he comes along on his moped I'm. Sure I was not a huge fan of of that particular Bourne identity conclusion because it felt it again a little bit to Romanticize to me and maybe this one just that clinical nature and what's realistic. Maybe I can buy that these two aren't you know a lovers meant for the ages or something like that Was the was the guy in Vermont actually a partner of her she was meeting it but was she she really say specifically that the that's my partner she kept saying like friend, right? Yeah. She's just not that into him. Yeah. He's not he's not a spy. That's right. He's not Robert Redford. Or a Cam. Smith was sure I got the sense though that the scene of the two of them on the phone her and the guy in Vermont on the phone. In his mind it's a relationship I don't know if that's the case with her though yeah, I think she might be stringing him along a little bit, right? Yeah. I mean she certainly as excited by him than she is by Robert Redford I, mean she does a lot for this guy that that starts by capturing her Vermont guy needs to flip his caller just like Robert Redford did throughout this entire movie that look pretty bad, ass. No the book for this. The film was based on what's called six days of the condor and I'm wondering if the Faye dunaway story would feel different if it wasn't convinced to three days like in the film like she'd spent six days with them. Would we have bought more of the evolution of this relationship I? Think it's very clear that they chopped it in half because they wanted to set it up for a sequel. So that's why only three days and so she was going to appear quite prominently in another three days of the condor which just never came to fruition. Well, the second one was going to be all in Vermont lots of big ski chases. Yeah. Well. It lasts James Bond Movie Specter. That's right. Nothing. But skiing all the time Robert Redford and his stunt double going down slalom shoots and all that sort of thing and a lot of tasty smoothies at a ski lodge. And also a scene where the CIA. I don't understand this men's a reader. How does he ski so well and they're like He reads about skiing. Speaking of like cool characters. Also Lorraine I love Max von Sydow as like the guy was just kind of a contractor and he didn't have to be like that cutthroat villain all the way through even though I think he's a total cutthroat sort of character all the way through I love old academic hitman like that is a trope that's popped up in a handful of movies seen and every time. It works especially new have an actor with the gravitas of of Max von Sydow who used to do is just walk on the scene say a few words and I'm like I believe everything this man is telling me and I entirely by this character one, hundred percent who do you think would be like a good actor to take on that role like right now a contemporary movie. Oh. Excellent Question Scott, you suggestions I'm just rummaging through my brain like is the defaults automatically Michael Cain or I don't know like I. I just watched sexy beast and I'm just wondering if you can get somebody like Ben. In that role or is it just too obvious at Ben? Kingsley is kind of that's thinker that could kill you with his fingers. Against going to obvious too on the nose I don't know that Max von Sydow was an outside the box casting choice. I'm wondering to know if you cast not now it's a little too old now but if you go back say fifteen years or twenty years in cast, Morgan Freeman in that role, it would be very effective as well. Is he driving Miss Daisy. Movie. Yeah keep pulling over it'd be like. Crazy right back. And he comes in with like blood all over his hands every single time wiping it off on his show for outfit and she's like what happened he's like don't ask. It'd be great if the entire premise of the movie is he has to train her to be the next assassin. Ovalles, God, there's. Another three days of the condor training miss. Daisy. That's right. I think I prefer three more days of the condor, but that's alternate titles for you. But I'm glad we got to Max, von it out because I mentioned earlier on the this film confused fused the hell out of me the first time I watched it. Okay. And his character go no, I'm curious like I eat I don't think it's one of those movies where you have to obsess about plot point by plot point. I. Think they just want you to kind of go with it and it'll kind of unfold on its own because like by the time you get to the end of it where you literally have. Robert Redford saying like you play games I told them a story. I. Get what his ultimate goal was get his motivation. Throughout all this motivation is to survive I understand what the antagonise motivations are. So even if some of the pop points were little murky I I didn't get too hung up on myself. I actually found for a lot of the movie I was like Oh this is actually really straightforward way more straightforward than I was expecting and then there was a point though, Yeah Scott where it got to that maybe our twenty mark or something like that and like wait what's going on? and. Basically it was over I had my interpretation of my head and I read up on Wikipedia and it seems like I, was mostly right but you are right like it comes across initially is fairly simple but the. Dueling allegiances of Max von stood out do make things a little bit confusing. Yeah that's one of the two things that threw me off. Now, it was my second viewing. Clarified situation where maximum obviously, he was hired by higher up in the company. So Joseph China was not the talk anymore, which is why he wasn't sure at the end spoiler. But? The other bit. Far, off on a tangent for a second do you remember when Robert Redford character tied up at the House of his friend? Sam. The wife is cooking dinner. Yeah. Yeah Why did he go there? When did they make plans to have dinner because I? I've watched it twice and I still can't figure that out. Wasn't he on the phone with her earlier in the movie. was that it. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure to be honest with you. I mean I just went with it and you can kind of okay. Maybe they had plans and you don't have to tell you obviously didn't have to show you everything but I just yeah why he's on the run and his friend has already been shot and and assassination attempt on him as an attempt to I should say but. I just didn't understand the whole need for that scene and then sending our upstairs. But then we get the cool seat of Max von Sydow and him in the in the lift together I'm willing to go on that journey because I actually thought the scene between Redford and the the I guess widow. It was like a very effective seen. Of Him, trying to get her out of the situation without basically telling her what's happened. And so it gave us a lot of the REDFORD character. You're right that scene in the elevator was incredibly tense and I was reminded actually I remember when they were releasing captain America Winter Soldier they talked about how their biggest inspirations for that film were movies like three days of the Condor and para lacks view and I couldn't help. But wonder if the Captain America in the elevator with Hydra scene was somewhat of a nod to the scene with sit ow and Redford, in the elevator Oh. You have read school making it another appearance, right? Redford skull Yeah Yeah. And you know what that joke is almost right because Robert Redford in initial draft was going to be the red skull. I was kind of bummed out that he never used just what the senator at the end of it all. Or was he just ahead of shield right Alexander Pearson. It's Garry shandling was the the evil senator throughout this yeah, and so. I, kind of appreciated that scene. Obviously, this is not Robert Redford taking down like six guys with a shield in an elevator, but it has that same sort of tension they're trying to play friendly. They're trying to be cordial to one another, but it's all just a mask for basically two guys who are a second away from you know pulling a gun on each other or take a swing. At each other but if I have to be honest if I'm in that same elevator situation, I would feel socially obliged to leave. I if the guy's kept insisting no Ugo I, I'd be like, no, you go first and then I would finally just relent even though I of be convinced GonNa shoot me in the back of just to be too awkward to kind of fight him on it. Yeah I might hold out I. Don't know I would be so worried were shot in the back of the head by Max von Sydow. He's just he's got that icy cool demeanor if I could trust him. I for me it was going to say is it just goes to show that you need to have a massive fight scene I say, massive inside of a lift. To have the same sort of effect did they bail the exchange words and your just super tents for those two three minutes and on top of that you have that amazing moment where Max von Sydow holds out that glove and is like this glove and Redford's like, no, it's actually not and I'm like Oh. My God is it his glove like there's actual tension involved whether this is is not Robert. REDFORD's Club. So what do you guys to get is like, do you think? Contemporary movie audiences just would not be able to sit through or appreciate kind of these long drawn-out tents. Or does it all it takes is just getting people into the movies getting the to watch this, and then they would appreciate it because I just wish more of the sort of filmmaking was prevalent in modern day cinema. Well, I think it's honestly more of the studio and filmmakers being too scared to conduct sequence like this for fear of boring an audience if it doesn't work and I mean you know think of a movie like a quiet place, the horror film the John Krinsky directed film I mean that movie is these. extended. Quiet tents set pieces. Yes. It does have some big kind of Jurassic Park Raptor type stuff but a lot of it is built on tension and audiences. Loved it like they ate it up in droves and so I think if you if it works and you can get an audience in the love it but I think it's I don't know that the filmmakers are often that confident that an audience will want these sequences or that they won't get bored. It's like that keep hitting them with information so they don't get bored. Gas No breaks, right? Yeah. I mean you know tyler reference dumb six underground earlier and I mean there's a movie. That, there's not a single second of breath basically and a movie like this. So much is based on Robert Redford observing and taking in sort of the lay of the land and figuring out a strategy on how to proceed and getting out of situations not through a fight although there are couple fights but mostly just through outsmarting his opponents Yeah. Scott for the international listeners. When you say all gas, no breaks, what do you mean by gas I was using the American and petrol there you just WanNa make sure those international listeners. Not. Confused. petrol no slowdown. That's what we call the brake pedal, the slowdown. Yeah, and then the trunk of the car is is the booty. Yes. He always say that has a big old booty. That's what I thought. Oh. Wow. But I, think you have to give a lot of credit to Sydney Pollack like Sydney Pollack is not a director. At. This point in time whose name you hear brought up a lot in terms of the great film directors of the seventies and eighties. He's someone who's considered a very capable studio craftsman. But you know he's obviously not getting his name thrown in with the Scorsese's of the Copa as the diplomas and various other directors like that of that era. But I mean I've seen a few of Sydney, Pollack's films of this era and he does. Have this very patient laid back approach to his stories that I think when it works really really sucks you in Jeremiah Johnson, which he did with Robert Redford is basically the nineteen seventies version of the remnant and I think as much better than the revenue I mean ultimately, you don't WanNa see a character like Jota beat the crap out of Max von Sydow in that lift if it was Jason Bourne, you'd be screaming at the Guy To Punch him run off but they've built him up to be a cat to the has almost no physicality to. He's all smarts right and he also has a little bit of that era of kind of the gentlemen assassin. He's not a guy or something to get into a fistfight with he has this sort of dignified stately manner about him. He feels like more of someone you have to out think as opposed to you know beat with a magazine I think what he was missing. Though is one of those kind of tubes where you spit out poison darts at people that would've been kind of the perfect assassin tool for movie. Oh, that's the thing and you know if this movie were made now they would give him a much more gimmicky method of killing, for example, or a weapon that's really gimmicky or something something that makes him stand out as. Unusual I'm always down for any umbrella related weapons for. Spy Movies. I was actually kind of surprised when we had the scene of Robert, Redford leaving that apartment complex. Any pays those that group of kids like five bucks to walk with him and you have sit out out there with a sniper rifle. I was actually kind of surprised. It was sit out the sniper rifle he seem more like someone who would be commanding someone else to do it maybe in that moment yeah. No. That was kind of that act that moment did pop out to me as well like it just it's one of those things where we keep going back to it, but it just kind of adds to the tenseness and the atmosphere within all you really do believe that. You Know Robert Redford is maybe the luckiest guy in the world just how he's able to maneuver out of these situations sometimes without his own knowledge about how he's doing so And I mean, what did you think of Robert Redford's special skill which was telephone science. Well. Here's the issue I studied telephone science back in school and. It was based on my love of this movie. I'm telling you guys. It does not make you as much money as you think. You'RE NOT GONNA get us. Job Straight out of school you know in this era. I did love set it all up at that. He was with the Signal Corps and had all of this background in communication systems, and then we get an extended sequence of him patching phone lines together and I'm like this is so I, mean, this makes no sense to probably like an eighteen year old now watching this movie who doesn't even know what these like rotary phones are, but I'm like just. hypnotized by it because it's something I don't think I've ever seen this movie where it's a character doing this sort of tech job on telephones but the movie like convenient in a very methodical way. Well, there's other stuff though that did kind of pull me out of it like when they're out the CIA SORTA headquarters and there's that giant machine when they're trying to trace the phone call and the light turns from tracing to complete trace dislike. It really looked like watching some sort of like one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy s game show sort of set at that moment. I actually made a note about that and I was like is that a thing like did these machines exists? Don't think they did. I, there's also the computer screen at one point that was like showing video and I was like I don't know about that I mean de anything I bumped on if we're talking about criticisms of the film and I think we've encountered this before with some films is Robert Redford. As we said, is a book Smart Guy who likes to rate it likes to ride an e bike guy, but he seems to be the most capable agent that the entire see I has at their disposal. And there's I find bizarre maybe the ones because he's obviously working out of what is it the American historical literary society or something like that, and all of his co workers were killed maybe they were all way more. Competent than him maybe he's the least competent, the group, and yet they also went to get lunch yeah. Yeah They sent him for lunch. He was the one on the bottom of the barrel. Interning they're. Making copies. Fetching lunches. Yeah. Why he's late every day he's just not happy with it. One of those underpaid internships that's right I mean this is kind of atropine genre though where the the agent who has no real reputation or They don't really know who he is turns out to be the only guy capable of thinking them, and there's always that scene of the superiors going who is this man and then they pull up file and read it out and it's a shock to them all. Well, I think it is a trope because audiences would like to project themselves into that role in think that they're capable of such feats if push came to shove and. Why not knee if they were trying to assassinate me at some point Yeah I. Mean I know my telephone science I could do that right Mashing your fingers against your blackberry. Cam just it's not quite the telephone science I studied. The keep contacting me to see if I WANNA by. Dialing. Wound. Blackberry were you guys using Oh drink Canada? Camps all about the tactile. Buttons at this point still. That's right the blackberry. It's the latest thing on the market in my world. I will. Fight. My own point is that you could say the maximum details character is actually a better agent than Robert wretched. The End. Yeah, I would agree with that I think Max von Sit out is the old Perot and I think I mean he's he's basically trying to appeal to Redford to hey, just come to my side. It's a pretty good gig and I think the thing is like Robert Redford is. Getting to the point where he would be recognized by avant sit out. But once it was working on a whole other level, it doesn't have the idealism or even the like. This desperate need to survive I think a maximum said, I was fairly comfortable. This entire movie he's not the one on the edge. What exactly was he doing thirty years ago during the Second World War like Nazi recruitment was that it Possibly as yeah I mean, I'll say slur rain which has always kind of disputed territory between France Germany I just You're hiring a guy like that and also like the CIA hired a lot of ex Nazis like just because that's who were the experts the after the Second World War Germany and you're trying to fight this kind of Cold War at the time so I just I intrigued by whatever his backstory is as well. When he talks about how you know you can basically just be content knowing both sides don't matter and so it wouldn't shock me if he was a Nazi, it's almost a little bit of that hands. Linda. From inglorious bastards kind of attitude of like being more of an opportunist or just willing to cash in on either side and not getting morally affected by either one, I personally would be morally affected by no Judas. Well I think the point is though that these guys wouldn't that's why they're so effective at their jobs of being these stone cold killers. They sent they remind me of that of Cabal of a office workers from northwest. Nameless people that just sit in office. Orchestrating everyone's destruction. Yeah, and I mean, you get a real look inside that world. In this movie, I really appreciated the world building where it would just kind of cut to this weird control room this guy in a wheelchair working at a desk taking phone calls, and then you get the room with all the superiors and even though it wasn't like elaborate James Bondy an art direction each scene really did set kind of this tone for this secret world. Just outside of our purview. Right guys before we get to the the ultimate question of this focus is any final thoughts. You guys have the film the guest. So Tyler, take it away. Yeah. I'm just I sucked in early on just even like simple shots, establishing shots outside of the the front that they're working at and the movie just to let me go like I think that this is just exquisite filmmaking i. wish like more filmmakers would be daring enough to just slow it down and having a face in the audience that they can just go with it and you're creating these gripping tense scenes all throughout S- I I. I'll make the argument if you guys. Don't want to get this on the NOC list than I think by default, you're going to have to take a look at the entire Jack reacher franchise. If the argument is is he aspires he not and then probably dismiss the Jack reacher franchise, but that's just my own personal take about this movie which I just kind of sucked into from moment one. Scott. I need a couple of quick thoughts. First of all, it was nice to see the the Audubon Audubon Society Return after a brief appearance in to no. I. Heard about this thing for these films. Yeah The other thing was ice bullets. Is a real thing. I don't think so. Mr Freeze has been using them for decades. Scott. Always says I to be you. Can Use that voice for the rest of this episode please. Now I would just wear my voice but Yeah. So did you ever find thought just on the movie itself? No I mean overall. I I love this film. It took me a second viewing to really get into understand what was going on but I'm a huge fan of what they did. Yeah. I really loved the tapestry this whole movie painted I mean it's so seventies in the best ways you know obviously the jazz scored that was number one but you just look at you know in the wake of the Watergate scandal this real pessimism creeping into cinema at this point and I loved this movie as well as paradox view really tackle that. An interesting way the idea of the powers that be working behind the scenes in nefarious ways and I think this will be gets it across without ever being preachy or really drawing the real world parallels lets you pick up on it. You also just have touches on, of course, the oil crisis of nineteen seventy-three. That was a big deal in the US and you know the movies tied into that. So it feels of its time, but also you're able to go back and watch it and it just completely works. Now, it doesn't feel dated it. Could have been made today with exception to telephone science, and maybe some of the stuff with Faye dunaway but I enjoyed the hell out of it. Well, I think that brings US quite smoothly onto the question, which is does three days of the condor make the NOC list tyler. Down to you. I, say you gotta put it on like this is a taught movie. It follows a lot of spies I am sucked in from moment one doesn't have the secret gizmos that you might get in some of the other movies on the NOC list like in say Golden I na that doesn't need it I say Nah it works for me. It makes me feel as if I'm within this spy world every moment throat it's just has a sense of realism to that you might not get in six underground. And Tyler can I love that you keep picking on six hundred ground I love it. This movie that people probably got the second they watched it is being referenced Multiple Times with this cat. Timeless. Obviously. But no I also agree like this is a yes for me, I think this movie is kind of important in the world of spy cinema for being one of the primary efforts in the seventies that really had a big impact This movie was a hit with audiences as well and to me. Know, it just is such a thrill ride in that low key style seventies that it just had me engrossed for beginning to end I mean to me I honestly put this alongside a movie like the up Chris, file and Scott I know the his file has become the most polarizing film that we've ever tackled on this podcast. But for me, it has that similar to it sort of Lo fi spycraft. Built on. Kind of slow methodical characters and I think this is an amazing example of it doesn't even matter what I say at this point but I'll throw in my two cents in any way I on second viewing. Loved this film I actually like a lot more than I thought about it. And I think. The the TOLDT is correct, but it gives is characters room to breathe in moments to sit in in you to sort of appreciate. The Weld Bay doesn't feel like it's dragging its feet either same time. It's a very is a well paced film and it does keep you on edge of VC and I really liked it so I would definitely recommend it. I have to ask gentlemen are you to now going to track down the Condor TV series that's been running for two years and catch up on the world of Condor. What Cam as Robert Redford said at the end you play games I told him a story, a television story on television. That's right. Well sounds like we have three yeses. So by the looks of it, three days of the condor is joining the esteemed knock list. Thank you tyler for joining us. Where can people find you if they want to him oh? Yeah. I'm on twitter you can find me at reporting. That's R. E. P. O. R.. T. O. N. N. AS IN NOCHOLAS. And what about the sub space transitions podcasts I mean? It's. A work in progress six years. Now, you can find that wherever you get podcasts as well. Sub Space POD DOT COM. Well, there you have it. That's a yes from tyler a yes from Cam and the Yes for me is a full on three way. Yes, and therefore three days of the condor is making the NOC list and with that revelation, the dossier on this film is complete and filed as classified. The question is, what are we doing next week? We are going Sifi. Once again, we are going back to hang out with the men in black in men in black two, the sequel from two, thousand and two. I, don't remember much about this film but I am somewhat excited to go back and revisit it with the with the joy I took out of watching the first one. We Will De Niro is you in time for that podcast? Good I can't remember anything about it. All right. Your mission should you choose to accept to is to watch men in black two before next week's episode we're going to really dive deep into that one and before we get into the rest of the social media, if you do want to read a little bit more about the not Nautilus can where can people find it? Yeah. LETTERBOX DOT com slash spy hard. 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Review: Mank Walks the Line Between Stunt and Masterpiece

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Review: Mank Walks the Line Between Stunt and Masterpiece

"Brought to you by lucky. Charms magical mission. Take your kids on an interactive screen free adventure to bring back the magic with lucky the leprechaun. Add some fun to your morning routine as you sing dance and meet new magical friends available on alexa google home or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Just search lucky. Charms magical mission. Manque is an ambitious picture. That walks the line between stunt and masterpiece by stephanie's a carrick. The legend of orson welles is a folk song with many stances and no end. He was a genius and a tyrant a young rogue who either maximized or his talent depending on whom you talk to and imperious figure who in his last years gained too much weight and had to pedal wine to make some dough wells in the movie that made him nine. Hundred and forty-one citizen kane are the stuff of lore but caine wouldn't be caned without herman j mankiewicz the man who co wrote or possibly even just wrote its script almost without getting credit a great wit rock and tour and heavy drinker. Mankiewicz deserves his own reis sardonic ballad served with a double shot. If only more people actually remembered or cared who he was david fincher cares and with bank. He's made a movie that revels in an era when journalists novelists and playwrights flocked to hollywood to make big money sometimes screwing up their lives even in the face of good fortune. Manque is a clever and entertaining feet of old hollywood haggi griffey rendered in per lesson black and white that mimics the look films from mankiewicz. His own lost era detail. That's especially poignant. Since most people will end up watching manque on comparatively small screens at home. It will release in select theaters in november before hitting netflix's december fourth. But the story fincher tells here in a picture that rebels in both beauty and ruin more than any other. He's made from seven to the social network is intimate enough to resonate even on that smaller canvas. It's about carving out a grand piece of work that nearly kills you about betraying people you care about for the sake of art about the degree to which the people holding the purse strings also hold the power and it is above all a movie made with love and not just for the long vanished early days of a flickering art form. The screenplay was written by jack fincher journalist and the director's father who died in two thousand. Three venture has been wanting to make this movie for years. And although it's based on real events there's an aura of ghostly dreaming about it too as if fincher were trying not to recreate the past but to communicate with it. Gary oldman pale puffy and whisker plays manque a longtime studio screenwriter and producer and former theater critic who's fallen on hard times and who has the movie opens has suffered a car accident that puts him in a cast rendering him nearly immobile he can still right though and luckily he's been hired by wells played by english actor. Tom burke and seen only briefly to come up with a screenplay are ko. Pictures has given the brash. Young director carte blanche to make any movie. He wants with any collaborator. And manque is his guy. Wells arranges for the sisal genius to be wheeled off to a remote ranch in victorville california. Not just to allow him to recover from his smash up but also to keep him from drinking for the time. Being at least with the exception of booze manque has everything he needs to get to work. Wells has arranged a pretty english secretary. Adept at dictation. She's played by lily. Collins who bears a shimmering resemblance to nineteen forties star jennifer jones and has installed persnickety babysitter in the form of john. Houseman wells' loyal theater compatriot and a producer on the then nassan film. He's played by sam trautman and so make starts writing a dense and complex story that something like manque itself and odyssey that weaves from the present to the recent and not so recent past in decidedly. Non linear fashion venture traces manx tenure as an unruly but brilliant writer at paramount. His encounters with figures like bullish studio boss. Louis b mayer and his more principled right hand man irving thalberg arledge howard and ferdinand kingsley and most significantly the time he spent earlier in the nineteen thirties socializing with newspaper. Mogul william randolph. Hearst played by charles dance and his mistress actor. Marion davies played by. Amanda saif read at the hearst castle in san simeon. Hearst would become of course the inspiration for charles foster kane and manque outlines the complex and limited menuet of their friendship writers often mind real life for material which means betrayal though as manx suggests. It's sometimes hard to know who betrayed whom i venture shows us champagne parties at san simeon. Where when the conversation turns to world affairs mankin. Davies are the only ones clear on the potential danger of the hitler regime. He also captures the warm platonic. Colm rotary between the rider and the star a gifted performer. Whose career was more hindered then helped by her rich famous. Paramore siphoned is marvelous. Here there's always just a hint of sadness behind her resplendent. Smile as if she knows exactly what davies live choices cost her at one point mankin davies. Sneak away from one of those aforementioned parties to talk in the castle garden a rich man zoo populated by monkeys and pachyderms as they chat and laugh in the moonlight. The silhouettes of elephants loom behind them. Like a chaperones. Keeping an eye out for any funny business. Though there isn't any manque is an ambitious picture. Constructed from multiple shifting parts one subplot involving novelist and liberal activist upton sinclair's failed bid for governor of california in nineteen thirty four which was thwarted at least in part by a real of fake news. Put out by. Mayor becomes kind of psalm. watercolor wash over the whole movie. And an echo of our own time mankad. Everything invested in being the cleverest person on the page and in the room. He was whether credited or not the nimble mastermind behind early paramount delights like the marx brothers duck soup and the jean harlow stunner dinner at eight but he learns the hard way that words have power far beyond their entertainment value. And it's at least a minor stroke of genius that fincher cast bill nye aka bill nye the science guy as sinclair. He's visible only from afar in a brief scene but his mere presence is a nod to the supremacy of facts over dangerous. Fictions for all its intelligence. Manque is in anything close to a masterpiece. It's more pleasurable feed of derring-do a movie made with care and cunning people by actors. Who know exactly what they're doing. Oldman makes a terrific mankiewicz sizing up the world around him as if it were all comic mirage. And he were the only real thing in it. He was devoted to to his wife. Sarah played here by tuppence middleton. Who deftly handled many thankless tasks not least among them undressing the drunken monk for bed but manx moments of reckoning are searing. Even if he's one of those truly tragic alcoholics who are more productive in sharper when an abbreviated he also knows what his behavior cost him indignity and when he finally finishes that script the title typed across the front is simply american. We see in his eyes. What parts of his soul he had to sell for it. Mankiewicz almost didn't get credit for writing citizen kane. He had to fight for it. And in the end he shared that credit and the oscar with wells but as one of hollywood's great wags mankiewicz deserves an anthem of his own. And if manque is the only one he ever gets. It's not too shabby the history of movies like overall so often works. Its way out from the edges.

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S2 E74: Illeana Douglas On Acting and Film

The All New Dennis Miller Option

43:39 min | 1 year ago

S2 E74: Illeana Douglas On Acting and Film

"This is the tennis Miller option your source of opinion stories and laughs from comedian inactive is Dennis Miller is Guy Friday Christian Black Penn superstar producer Lindsay flown on today's show actress Ileana Douglas and now it's Dennis Miller amazing this is the third season there's two previous seasons that are available Friday all of the new episodes in completely you know they it was very surreal listrik this year they bring it a lot of native American influence the actor of this season will drop as they say and every year he fights a goliaths the first year was you know the medical stablishment medical malpractice last year it was drug cartels and this year very timely it's going to have to do with California sort of Drunken Keno player that becomes billy's sidekick I'd push my way in there and I think I was in ja the water drought waterboard in Central Valley and his Goliath is going to be Dennis Quaid and amy savant sort of Yeah with this last year show I mean I loved it went as shows off and do it went Graham Greene from dancing with wolves is in is in the show so Indian casinos play a part that's that's where I come in I play bliss dot com and the show that she's on is called glass season three Goliath is now streaming on Amazon prime and I'm just going to be the this is my friend Ileana Douglas and I'm trying to check for the show here it's called Goliath I'm not by the way or twitter is Iliana Rama it's establish and you know great doing great law series of course he's got rainman stuff you know he's like a has been done perfectly by Bob down that is still the most amazing modern screenplay I've ever seen China too so in an Improv troupe called Keno player Inca Harvey limbic son ran dot and Santa Monica if I'm not mistaken ten thousand shows available online at all of us are trying to watch and keep up with but this one starts Billy Bob Soaring oh well of the of the captive whoever's I always feel like writing about water rights intricacies of all that in California Latham most is the most informed most charming I met her at the festival over the last couple of years and we've grown to be buds she's a great dame and climate climate change and that'll all be revealed to someone's gas associated with that so I it's really great and in a minute evil brother and sister who run a an almond farm and other stealing water from the federal government so that's the overall listen I said I read that seeks creep unity says they do antiques I said brother that is such a I think it idea which we're all talking about this you know the drought in and the now it's it's not just stealing water it's the effects on saying this the other day for me I'm always one of these inside outside people like I'm in the show but also outside being such a he's very generous as an actor and brain right Ileana big brain I met him once for a few seconds and I remember he told me you know for me again being in the show as always it's dual opportunity of working in the show and acting with Billy Bob ever trilling who also it's you know many writers originally show the first show runner someone you know David Kelly so that candidate Liana clocked Goliath yet one explain it to me in the listeners okay well Goliath is show that you know it's it's one of the Her twitter again is Iliana I l. e. a. n. what a beautiful name your parents gave you Ileana Ramla I should say the website is Ileana Douglas Dot com movies and you know that they've done theater and Billy Bob of course one of my favorite performances is the man who wasn't there from the because you guys must come together as a great I just I mean I can't explain it's you know he sets a tone I mean first of all the show and it's working with him it's like when you work with Deniro you just want to be your best and the singer as is Dennis Quaid and so I you know I'm just such a fan of you know a that was our first sort of bonding but Barry I'm such a fan of years and they do the one two punch of pretending like they're interested in you only two I was that early out of loser but it's I l. l. e. a. n. a. r. a. or website is Iliana unless whoever took this test God who did you dig the words Oh my God I did I did well you know it's many writers the the show runner and she writes back says hey we're in show bizz so I do admire you that you always understand that there's magic too and then there is the Biz to it does she was tells me it's going to be a good thing one of the experts speaking about movies on I think it's a CNN project or something called am or who also Michelle well they're street crackerjack actors there were talking to my friend Ileana Douglas and goal season three of Goliath is now streaming on Amazon prime that's show we're just talking about called Elliott subvert the conversation and talk about their latest thing like that I don't like that that if we were in the hardware business quite frankly here hey dennis I turn John Frankenheimer clocked me and we ended all of my God he dug my hbo show. And can you imagine the the a lot of wonderful symbolism in it this year which I really liked I've always admired Billy Bob's chops on work with him as the killer movies and I called her I said Hey if they need anybody else in my name and then like a couple days later I saw that it takes a sweat actor turning into the poker tell about you that that is an intricate mind there that's funny why bonded about music and country music you know each season Musicians Cohen brothers I mean of course bad Santa and all that but yeah he brings such a such weight too so you admire do you go up to them do you have any regrets of I always go up to them even if it's somebody I admire so much I don't go I should go over and I go that's more for you than for them they're mad out I don't do it a lot I I'm just saying I had there have been certain people where I thought it just don't bug them and then I go home three time there's a cut I will ask him about commuting and get a great show Biz story out of you know that his phobic fear was antiques that I said now that is an intricate brain grand you know most people at spiders arachnids is snakes movie Fan you know watching you know when when I'm in a scene with Dennis Quaid and Billy About Thorn All I can think of is all they're great on screen back and forget that I get a call or ten years invariably when I'm on the Air Talk Tennyson Show business calling you should cease to sing Sammy Glick from what the Bud Solberg novel what Makes Saving Grace Red light so I sent her another email I'm sorry that was sweaty Bert knocked off five or six films together. Can you imagine God had the head with Burt Lancaster with his intimidating physical stature and in fact he was produced up to but if you don't then you regret it but my regrets thing there are some people I respect so much blinds 'cause he did the movie The island of Doctor Marrone with Marlon Brando Rancho was out of his mind on that one yeah double reward that was for me that I didn't abuse his good offices and yet we ended up talking and boy that was a tough one for me because you know what a genius odd cat is life and I asked him if we could go out to lunch you know I said let's go to lunch and you talk to you which he readily agreed to we went to this what he does you're talking to someone important right you're talking to Barry Levinson say and a person comes up you Haley on how's it going they kind of lb were asked to do the VAL kilmer story I wouldn't put Val kilmer in the movie Sir to a great one sweet smell success that along with the partner he must've been tired he also has the one of my favorite is show Biz we get a lot more out of this lunch than I am so you'll be paying you know what I find on his Asa Dina where they do the up fronts it's John Frankenheimer leave him alone believe in Karma paid me off immediately as I walked by him down the hall uh-huh That's just across the board route there but you have seen certain people mad when they see a cat who's like the the alpha dog in the room and you don't want get trapped in that be line because you can end up in a neck brace they come so hard I know that's always that's always a challenge you know you see people and then when you see people and he confirmed things so that's always my way of doing film history you know sometimes like you re things on the Internet you go it's not exactly true sometimes I even hear things and and Val kilmer and at the time he said about Val kilmer you know in terms of working with him he said if I were entre vertebral truth I always you you feel the ability to go to the source because I love the thought that young girl I think your parents go a little you while later I had met Brando who then confirmed I said Hey John Frankenheimer said you know this the other and PCM but my grandfather Melvyn Douglas when I go that's actually not exactly true and I wonder where they you know sometimes IMDB yeah very troubled you know set so you know my whole aim in life is you know so Frankenheimer and tells me about that and then you know right right yeah that's the only one the only sort of Showbiz Faux Pas for me is this is a folk pop for me when somebody's when you're at a party and why it was doggedly determined to get into a theater group which I did I got into this youth theatre group is a musical and follow it all the way up through being there this cat just clocked the ball for over fifty years it seems to me and he loved his granddaughter and show Talion restaurants that was up on Pico that's no longer there it's right near Fox but anyway we should down and watch and he goes Outta your the musical was the boys from Syracuse so I'm like sixteen years old I'm like granddaddy I I got in this musical and you know he I wish I had said something but that that's on me on them they're the ones yeah I saw John Frankenheimer Winston the Karma was beautiful I was Gonna I was gonna Chase Frankenheimer down out at that Hotel Jay yes absolutely you know I couldn't believe it you're going to get out of there soon I must be a guy who knows how to stand this turf when you think about the fact that I think in Kamaruddin yeah I mean he's one of my favorite filmmakers Manchurian candidates one of my favorite movies and I got to know him in the later part of his before the check came if you flip the Red Queen on him he would pick it up he didn't even know what he's doing and start sweating well he's he was so intimidated I was like own natural after they see easy rider we've talked about this before and your granddad becomes the Great Melvyn Douglas folks you can go back to go back to the no Chica and then but also kind of tough you know I I mean just to give me an example you know he'd say well yeah but he wanted to be an actress share of the actors that I'm working with I just think it makes it more fun you know sometimes you know sometimes I have people on my people on the journey I agree with you that's half the charm of it right yeah I mean everybody is different you know some actors you really you know you sent they wanna be by themselves I love the Goliath set I mean literally the minute they take cut it would be somebody would be telling a great story so I was in heaven you know just totally having oftentimes Lawrence trilling they'd have say Lawrence we need to go we need recounting here I agree with you I like that had cats and I go oh my God in a movie together I didn't even realize you know so I mean sometimes that happens so definitely the film said wrote this and and I think that all of that work ethic was instilled in me when I visited him on a couple of movie sets being there and then goes it showed you the ropes right no wonder you feel relatively calm with legends tell me about Melania I mean he was he was such an amazing presence in my life to him and I think that he instilled that in me is that I'm always shocked when I go to a sad I try to be very very aware oh you have to be in the theater I was in rural Connecticut there snows theater around so I but I found this so that's earn my five six seventy my time steps and things like that but he was he was very much about learning history and the importance of writers and can be a CANASTA group or five separate games of solitaire and it's better to be in their flinging cards and having fun and getting to know your other I'll live Oh that's so funny folks by the way if you have if you have to watch that it's like brand does like watching and I I gotTa Work Process here I go what do you mean your process we're getting out of an elevator and we're supposed to be laughing let me make you laugh Jesus that's not the way I'd do it does nobody talks back to them they just do their thing and we work off of them and I've had that experience at work with a lot of Comedians it was like quite a run playing comedians girlfriends and I always found it a bit of a challenge you know working around what their process sitting in a director's chairs or lunch to make her laugh I knew her number laugh wise and I would just work on it so we're in the elevator beforehand and she has on a pair of headphones and a Like an eye mask and I do and she says this is before we opened the doors and I know you'll try to make me laugh edited subtly less just he's floating around do I remember in some pith helmet and the mosquito nut Barbour Carreira was the story which was an extremely troubled set but you know completely fascinating you know surrounded dear John Houseman Stare Douglas Fairbanks Junior I often find that it's the opposite they're kind of in their doing their own thing I wondered about that like Oh they're used to the height of ludicrous city it's interesting you say that because again I I've worked with so many comedians and the Gary Listen I love Gerry's I thought he was a brilliant but he also he must have been a piece of work to work with I there was some of them their process is they just want to entertain the crew and be funny and be funny funny and you're just you know certain point the kind of things like you can talk to her about you know about the boys from Syracuse Yeah I'm a sixteen year old kid trying we I'm sure you've been the victim of this you know that's not true how detailed anecdotes truth as opposed to girlfriend I play Jay Morris girlfriend played Kevin Politics wife I played Tom Arnold's girlfriend and Shit added a certain balance to what they were doing I'm not exactly sure why that is but it it wor there's just a there was in a sense of acceptance especially with Gary 'cause he was just accepted him but he also wanted me to take him to really dark places how you know when you're hired they're like oh man I know what I am required to do you just get a sense again he wasn't a person who really talked about feelings but I- ascertained with certain people like drew Carey like J. More like Gary that I the I'm not one of those actors I mean I the energy of the set is what drives me and was one of the reasons they set up a luncheon for you to meet Mrs Richard Rodgers she's the widow of Richard Rodgers it was rodgers and Hart musical like fouts welcome to the Dennis Miller show and I have to say if I had to talk to one person about films the one that makes me but I found them all really to have a terrible insecurity about their acting ability if they can just relax and you know do Gary could have been doing ice by with Doug Henning any order wanted him to take him to the dark places evect if I ever take anything seriously please somebody hit me up head like a ignites mallet from it's like crazy anybody but I remember we were on a date in the scene where about shoot and then opens on an elevator door opening we step out and we're laughing so I had a pretty good ability when we like okay I don't exactly know GonNa be working off there so I find that fascinating that you were open to that I remember you with Gary and it hurt laughing joking around so you know you just you just try to go with them but and that'll in you know I think that part of the reason the Gary hired me to be his girlfriend and such a crucial role was never talked about it yeah Garry shandling and varying degrees of insanity bipolar one minute there patrician he'll role in the movie and so you know sitting by my grandfather and the great respect everybody had for him but he you know knowledge was so listen if I'm ever in a you could be doing an m. and M.'s commercials the Great Christian Bale he's an amazing actor but at some point he wouldn't WanNa talk because he was trying to get into his shell and say hey gary thought everything through like a million times Jesus I'm talking about Shannon Cook Gary then there's probably easy it but anyway she was a sweet person but that may be lapped by the irony that I was supposed to be making her laugh and she was staying away from because I might make her laugh I thought there's innocence she was haunted was Barbara career in that too and I can't remember I just remember them being a Daffy Group of people on that island very in that part of them there was little he worked off grim let's just say it that way but he saw the world it brilliantly insightful insert ways but I think at the end of the day at some point you just gotTa drop it all and small little well you know with Jerry Lewis told me Kevin pollock was always an easy I think I've seen you do something with him right yeah I worked with I was no played drew Carey's signup print off so there's some people had an actress ones I won't say her name I'm not in that business Denigrating I guess tell me about your your what is it like my dinner with Andre Your Your Craft Service Table Jerry tell me about that he said good comedy is better great comedy is Anger Real I love the new group show and we are out here you know all these things hang hang out with them and so that's how it that's how it kind of began and Kevin pollock was thing to say to me because I didn't I didn't I don't use people as a pin cushion you know I don't think that people saw him as anything more than larger than life Jerry Lewis and he just took a liking to me US nutrition created field of Greens if you build it they will take field greens is an easy way for you to add fruits and vegetables. Da Organic fruits and vegetables it also helps boost your immunity using antioxidants and assist digestive health probiotics was forged You know a real intimate bond I about show business and I know you know people need that and I don't think we I love these people and I admire them and I know their work and I maybe I you know I also really want anything from them but with Jerry we were doing a movie and I remember our exact moment of contact was we were sitting in his trailer and somebody was asking him about video assist you know and I could just see his eyes glazed over about video assist you know and it was really funny because you know it he I'd say I felt sort of weirdly my partner movies over but you haven't said you're done it's also great for smoothies bottom line this is real food non extracts you will look and feel better here's what you do go to brick house so you know even though my part in the movie was relatively small he you know say oh I want you to come to the sad or what you know watch me or Dot Com Promo Code Miller on the book by the way the judge referred to as I blame Dennis Hopper and other stories don't get filled and somewhere along the way Jerry Lewis wants to be with a smart dame who he can make laugh and is also not clocking him for anything and just likes to hear the tale I laughed and he looked at me and he said people always want to ask me about things that happened six years ago and it was I thought it was such a revealing and prebiotics it's like having doctrine a nutritionist in your kitchen one scoop delivers a full serving of fruits and vegetables just drop in a couple of water stir he goes is such a great gift you know he likes you want to talk to you you know once they have you around incentives your genuine interest and so from that try to find some other points of interest like I was saying with Billy Bob Country Music or music or you know you don't want to just go to the greatest hits like hey what's what in healthy and overweight between food supply and a sedentary lifestyle Americans are in worse shape than ever that's why the team on staff physicians at Brick Okay Grandpa all right I will you know and you just try to you try to do I don't know what people calls to your daily routine without spending hours in the produce section having a Home Shafir taking cheap supplements field of Greens is made with real us Yeah so I think that with Jerry he just the you know we just sentenced come rotary you know and that that Miller dot com he's a wreck aisles Gus Miller dot com get fifteen percent or to you know in order to be acting in a in a scene and I always think that my energy is what somebody that respects I understand that complete not from Jerry Lewis's position I'm just saying I get that about a guy like yeah have you ever wondered why so many Americans are sent off your first order just for trying it out with the Promo Code Miller that's brickhouse one word B. 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Greenlee well observed I love those nuances that you knew when he said the sixty year thing you're right across knowing glance and that that's so you think in complementary couples to as you watch films Oh absolutely I mean of course you know cary grant and Rosalind Russell and then even he's like I've I've set up you know John is you're GonNa do to monologues John Houseman you know head of juilliard acting from of you know meeting certain people which is what I wrote about in my book you know why would Rudy Vallee take a sudden interest in me you know I I really disappeared and it's so appealing for people you know I think because so how many times are we with people that we because that's their groove too and yeah they need somebody to at some point they went in the bubble when they're eighteen at grow singers and they don't know what the pucks happening out there unless they get an honest bounce off Ooh you know I don I don't think very good actor but I always I always think I had a lot of energy a lot of determination I mean it's important you know when you're acting or impress people when I was when I was younger my Moxie free chops even pre chops you had the yeah the kids got box sort of insightful interlocutory having this book that's about these tiny moments that really reveal the stuff on the other side show but I wanna starts when you're sixteen search your comedian or whatever I do think at a certain point you have to understand what your what your strengths are and what your weaknesses are season three Goliath is now streaming on Amazon prime we're talking to my friend I'm proud to say the delightful Ileana Douglas I always I always you have that enough you know turning acolyte and and professional relationship there's a big chasm in there that a lot of these cats wish that somewhere along the road that we get to either go out on the road do a show somewhere where we talk Helms because I could go all day and I really see the point of it woman full right there have hidden the hell out of the ball in his girlfriend unbelievable well you know there's something sometimes when I get you know when you get ABC's days and you see there's a you know man on man I met Dynamic I think they should make that part of the woman politically correct these days it's it it would be more controversy to do a non PC comedy today that it would be like Ingmar Bergman they get together about that I just love movies like that and those are always the kind of movies I wanted to be in we have a lot of dialogue and your sparring and Oh yeah couples like Robert Redford and Barbra streisand I feel like that you know that that you know they're kind of fighting and then in the end they've no because I I think that that's what is you know what makes things fine I love people you know arguing even somebody I mean differing opinions but somehow you know they they get together in the end and I feel like that whole type of film has kind of insertion for us would be talking about a film couples obviously complementary couples and there's always that result in the middle where they might disagree about life for like I always joke what's Robert Deniro like like can I go have a little rock music. 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The Yardwork: Ep 171: Yardwork szn 3!

The Yardwork

29:46 min | 1 year ago

The Yardwork: Ep 171: Yardwork szn 3!

"What's going on guys? Welcome back to the hose. Yardwork Andrew and today is a very special episode because today marks Orix season three of the wreck. I mean it's it's pretty huge. I'm super excited. I mean I did not think it'd be going into my third year of of doing this podcast. So deadly super-hype Super. Thanks for this and then thank you guys tune in and listen to do this so I saw how to start with a little bit of hype there. I got my guy. Drut Davis how back on the podcast me. He's been a regular on the show. The last couple of the last couple of weeks subscribe have to bring you guys that but before we do that. Make sure you guys subscribe to us on. I tunes so he keeps going. You follow us on Instagram at the argument and yard reports for your fixes fixes of the NFL an MBA as well as able be and make sure you check guy. Carson our sponsor and is a parallel won't percent athletics. 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I was GonNa say you can ask you get used to be I- coasting stuff 'cause it's been released to the public like me and I guess guesses can be like a little sneak peak for your gas but me in another w person ought to be starting a podcast really. Yeah in the upcoming months on the remit you could sneak peeks and you get you choice from for normal w happy I love is not gonNa me about with volumes can be like you know. We're GONNA mention so with about stuff in there by We're GONNA talk about a bunch of stuff so that everybody can listen dude. I'm I Walk Ford Man I love it. We're ready we're getting. We're getting setup in preparing staff hype four man you know how much of a family of view normal w yeah it should be fun. Roy definitely going to try. I mean I want a lot of guests on. You're out you're definitely GONNA be welcome but I got a host one. We're going to be Getting guests from around more W. or try and get some other guests Tom On the pod so name yet though me another kid about think about what we're GONNA do for soft but yet the super exciting. Yeah I love him. Oh Yeah I'm I'm I'm apart pumped I miss you Camario college kid months go I keep I keep trying to say hype and punt and like I'm gay I'm confused and like there's some. There's some inappropriate where I could be signed with a jumble. Those to try my best but do not hate I talking about the December of tournament. Now I'm hoping I mean my guys down there because that's super say yes. I'm going to be a lot of fun definitely but I don't know I definitely know zoom in the next couple of weeks and is going to be crazy if we do. I'm bringing all my stuff down there and I want like a live podcast. They don't tell us if you come dislike surprise like throw with Lake at Dan Dirty. Dan Industri like we're here as it's real football for here year period and drove you guys but I hope we can make it and I know that hasn't been in a lock on on. We were talking about before and kind of holding off the season three premiere because the sheriff technically been last week but Do in honor of Mike Stock. That's he's pretty much the maybe the biggest name they kept. Maybe as money gone doll But I feel like Microsoft Tales like yes. I'm talking about some free agents. It's tight it's yeah so you waste you. You haven't talked about the astronauts Asher stuff have you I did. I did a little bit. I did leftover so dea. Hardly you like to touch upon it won't Woah. Have you talked about the new reports about like the the bandages and stuff that we actually have not. Well that's yeah. That's kind of interesting to me. I just think it's like it's very. It's very complex. I almost don't even apartment like do they deserve to get in trouble or today. Just absolutely we outsmart everyone. I think pretty good job outsmarting. Everybody by definitely. I don't know why I'm this way. But it's the way it's Kinda like it's like they got us type thing you know. I get that but I definitely think they should come down hard art. You know what me and my uncle. My GRANDPA my cousin. We're all talking about this Thanksgiving and we all had different ideas. What to do listen to either bit harsher than than everyone just dismantling the astros give the Yankees Geir call they pay for them and Yankees versus dodgers dodgers? Right now for the two thousand seventeen series you're delusional and maybe they've played the nationals. The chosen acting. I don't spend ours but punishment you know what up because why would you make the Yankees better yet. Why would you make them good again? Wasn't wasn't ashes. Disagree Elsa just fair which fair's fair disagree I would boost fair's fair no Sapphire would would you attachment i. I would You find them heavily. take away their draft. You take away. Take all their draft picks for the next three years every single draft every single draft pick. Maybe two years. Okay I think in before she resigned. I think I think The whole front office wiped away. Yeah 'cause I if hinters even like if like he was making fun of the Yankees for for trying to spend what they were doing you were doing bad stuff all right thank you are. I am actually a bunch of takes because I think you ban the whole front office from baseball I you Ben Asia Hendrickson baseball and I think if you think about like the nine hundred nineteen blacks. They were just kind of they were kind of taking orders and they'll trouble. Oh yeah this difference in their underpaid but but I feel like the players there has to be some kind of punishment there to like. Maybe all the players suspended suspended like the first twenty games. And they're forced to play the triple a is an go like Owen twenty and that would really suck you. They would be an a hole dude they were gonNA serious. Hol started the season off with their tripling is yeah the players saying it's kind of hard though because like all right because so let's say Like the black socks saying they just they. They chose to play bad boy. A male underpaid. Yeah plug with the Astros. Saying it's like if your hair you can't just you can't just turn run off your ears and put in earplugs not listen you WANNA mean true. It's yeah it says I don't blame. I mean. They probably helped in their pilot. I mean some of them probably didn't WanNa do it but I mean some of them are I give. It's an edge in edge and there are probably like I don't know I don't think you can do anything to the players unless they do something to do with. I'm very interested to wide mobile. We'll be taking this long. Yeah I don't know a whole dog like we know what they're doing thorough investigations like that. I mean can't get all the astros fans dislike. It's not true. The ones are like all team steals like. It's like the we it's like the fans Carino Bass All team steal signs to get off team still basis guys are all high school teams. Assigns walk over to the other dugout. Oh input like bugs microphones not that the Astros did that. But it's like the equivalent. Do No oh Leuven make another stupid joke. Like the fans are like they need to do it like they didn't and she and you're like former astros players like purely for the last year we did. It's all true is kind of scatter funny. Honestly honestly I mean look I think the harsh punishment the astros organization just gets dismantled. There's no Houston baseball team. I have a lot in Texas anyways. I'm kind of getting because I know your last last time. Got May I make my jokes but I know I've huber close which bregman remains and twitches grains remains what you say you're close Brackman's remain roommates. In as little as a little brother I've talked to so it's like I never like hate on them. Too much actually really do like Bregman a lot and I never post anything bad about the Astros always said no they all see it. But it's like it's Kinda Africa like it's asked to be talked about. You know we how do you know Bregman. I don't I don't know how do you know. His family walked walk. Roommates my show like two or three times the John Houseman time. I believe okay in the house or did they stare them time. Time for guys watch. Why aren't you getting pregnant on the show? He's he's a busy man and as much as I would of course level guys Blair backing todd guys. Do I really value having those guys on the show Jeff. It's been a while but I gotta get those guys be real good guys. Yeah and I gotta I gotTa Talk. Aj Eh one or two times after a show when he was at the House with him. So you said you were excited about Shah's Berg right I very cybele was Strasberg's doing because I'm actually actually a bit confused because I know he turned down the four year hundred bill option and I don't necessarily mean these walk away from Washington and he just might be looking for life like a million a restructured contract. Maybe like that home. That per year is good. Twenty five Mil per year. Whatever wizard Canadian but whatever you know I think three or four years but maybe it was like five six seven year? Deal per you type of thing. I'm not hundred hundred percent. Sure but I do. Think he's the Yankees top priority right now I hope one of them go. Who is we got signed? We went to the reds right. I have no. I did not know we've got signed or maybe you didn't hear any curve. I was GONNA say I excited. I WANNA see in good pitcher go to Angels Really Yeah. I WanNa Zia Truck in the playoffs. I would love to see Chunga. Ploughs man being wasted our narrow waisted. But it's it's unfortunate. His talents being wasted yet. Runways if you're if you're an angels fan but Okay we've Matt Matt Stafford for the Lions and we WANNA play off game barely. Make it to the playoffs and like we just signed to a contract like he's going to be there for the rest of his life like it's going to be there for the rest of his life. What's the point of having and if they're never going to go to the playoffs you would would? Trout is not the same as Matt. Stafford convince me that what convinced me that that trout is in baseball is worth a lot more to the equivalent in football than Matthew Stafford other situations but not really maybe worth maybe maybe eighty worse to the hormone bieber not worse to their team. Matt Stafford the Lions Game. But like when I like trout to like football but like it's also different because football I feel especially at quarterback. One person can really look at look at Lamar Jackson. Yes all real good quarterbacks to every year the best quarterbacks through your pro bowler all those are the guys that were playoff contenders that just missed the Super Bowl are Andrew. I was just saying like I WANNA see and make it to the playoffs because I feel like his generational talent is a waste to all the major leaks. I I wish it would reply series to yeah that'd be awesome. He definitely doesn't serve but is I love that guy. Imagine the Yankee stock just imagine holder to take a second now. Oh Man I don't need a twenty th world series until somebody else. It's like twenty two twenty three but dude Straw man I and he's got to be the Yankees top priority. I want as I was so not happy when they traded for James Paxson last year. I've not really a big fan. I think he's super mediocre to everyone would Yankee last year sending needed. Today's we had an ace that he got hurt. Luis Severino until until further notice. Sabrina still might as that's my. I love it but impact Cindy pretty good in the playoffs against the Astros Jersey Save series free gooding robbing the regular season. He wasn't great game and seven. I Love I love that guy who are the Yankees game td categories. I didn't get that. I thought he was good. Yeah you're pretty. I'll be like what's the mood like. Why would my billy? My own interpretation reputational is one. I maybe possible chance. Yankees traded for door. That's one thing here. Secondly hidden had super this year. I think he's hanging around like to forty and he's having absolutely stacked in field. You're like the Yankees can still get Apple Lemay you at second glacier and short and Andrew are Shell at third is that I what was that I thought digital may eight. You played really have void. I know you're saying you know void as my guy you play void at first you player. Shell of view play. I I guess but but the Yankees have such a such a stack. I'm on my way to get his innings tyler. We'd okay they're like it's a statue and I think he didn't hit super well and the money walk which is really sad yeah reuse going to be a free agent. Yeah I'm not crazy. I don't know it's pretty good. Goodyear me I guess I'll it'd be like but you also have to remember like when I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking strictly for the Yankees pitcher. He's GonNa land somewhere soon. I'm going to be valuable piece like nothing like super from Kashmir and. I'm not going after this guy. Yeah See. Who are who you like where this person goes the I'm I'm just going to go on a speed run. I think rent down excited did he stays Donaldson excited leaves. I think force. Oh lookie and always have free agent at traded excited. mookie Betts Casinos could play a big role in. You're the guy you're yeah Jonathan scope producer somewhere. He Kirti occurred. Madam I having Yes in Wheeler hasn't signed How can drake I think he's going to stay with nationals Yes over as in Russell. I'm excited I like Addison. Russell Yeah Eh. Kind of cool name I in his name. I would happen to the cubs especially with like wrestle and Chris Bradley World Series. I mean at least Kris Kris Bryant was the rookie of the year. The MVP you had like the whole in fuel in the All Star game and there are no Russell or Brian hasn't even sniffed the author also renewed sense and astros kind of limited Iraqi career. The Oh dude I got a no I got someone. I'm excited about now. Teach yeah. He's a free agent. He's on my team dude. He's he's he's McKee. He's Super Lachey bombs does he. Does he absolutely do argue that number one of those those those guys for Miami were they believe in the artist absolutely sick. Yeah Yellowish I got the Yellow Jersey the day for twelve bucks. Yep Muammar Jackson's came ward Thanksgiving probably probably pissed off the table. What I wore minded Thanksgiving as well? My man she Not Seeing I'm not seeing like a ton of people I mean. There's big names. I should be excited but I'm just like not I don't know yeah. I feel that cited for the New Jersey. I'm Marseille for the Night Jersey reveals do the new rulers Jersey. That's what I'm saying gene. I ordered the the Yellow Jersey kind of angry did because his New Jersey is came out in their absolute also. Yeah but a- At least it's it's like I don't know I feel like it's not a bad it's so bad jersey. Yeah I got the I got the white with Royal Blue Pinstripe. All you do not apply to classic or they're yeah I von only sites. You do for the Tigers. Because they're my hometown team. The Tigers uniform dubbing having good. I've always sucked some kind of excites you they do. They're pretty interesting actually uncle I. I haven't really been thinking about that lately but new uniforms are hype. Unless you do the Yankees have changed the Yankees. So there's there's no pinstripes now. They'll ain't yeah. I hope they awful. I'm a bit nervous actually now thinking about bit nervous Indrawati Hammer told you I. I think like was a lot quieter about like what how I felt about the Yankees. The first one was in podcast. They're like my least favorite team. Like I hate the Yankees comfortable now now. Really seen how you feel yet. Now that's like on the show. I hate the Yankees I think the Dolphin and sock and hydro the dolphins well dolphins time. Yeah I thought you told me Your Dolphins van a super bowl team you do they tell you that much yet. Them in there. What four wins a third one thank you? Why do much better armed? You'RE GONNA I'm just GonNa Trash in all your team's Alabama's not gonNa make the playoffs for the now. I know I know bleeding. Those try I. I was crying to tears of happiness. When you're not a fan of this? Yeah Yeah we pounded that Michigan Michigan House. It's Nice I'm lucky rooting for Oklahoma. I don't if you're GONNA be close if they're going to get that fourth spot or something but I know how climbs interest get steamrolled clubs legit at all. I don't either and I'm really excited for I know like I'm really safer know-how sales yeah. I remember Oklahoma with their disadvantage. The big twelve. Because it's not like it's not it's not like the SEC Easter ever naked. Play Georgia in the championship and beat them. Maybe and then take their spot. They really are just waiting for team to lose. Oklahoma Georgia Homa. Yeah Benning Georgia will lose. I mean I don't know. Do Georgia wins. That will be weird. It's Jalen hurts man. Yeah unlike guy and he's absolutely blown out not going to. I don't like Oklahoma's uniforms so from now. Rooting for them. Read Jordan Dude. I just think they're stupid. Like Ohio state has the best reunions lake like Alabama and Oklahoma. There just like a dollar Ed Oklahoma's got rights or Oklahoma Ohio state's got bright scarlet with some nice silver accents One of the one of the Titans Jammie Roger for steak. He grew up like few towns over from me. Yeah he's he's Zong Sophomore. Now My Our High School team just in the State Final Ashby. Yeah the first team from our bike. A whole our whole county mega staged final. We Dot destroyed twenty three halftime. Those kind of like. I'm like twenty two three. That's the magic number. We started coming back and I was like. Oh my gosh after going to happen and then now they just kept scoring. We're we'RE GONNA score thirty five twenty five but it was like terrible though you're watching. The game was not that close really. Yeah yeah they were destroyed like yeah do I. Thank you sue bright. It was very bright. WHO's at Ford Field? So is that the line stadium. A sweet is packed really. Yeah that's awesome awesome so they're nice to make it last year when I was playing but I feel that I feel that you like the sports got sick as soon as as soon as I left. And it's like damn like we just not that good it or hurt or what. But I'm pretty firemen. She was going on. I know winter meetings are coming up. A frenzy in the spring. Training is like one of my favorite times of the year already looking forward to that. I like to begin spring training. Like the first couple of games and they get really bored. I just liked the whole like. It's like baseball's always year like semesters always done like doc. Let's go man. Yeah I I love doing graveyard. Even though I don't have a Christmas break they don't go to school all my friends come back from school right. Yeah hopefully damn you excited for that. Yeah I'm excited. Did Winter Abbas next semester. I think it'd be a lot five radio dumber you're going away or now like forty minutes per we commuted no obvious dangers it so before I'll be playing I'll be playing the cross puertas dating game hating. I didn't stay active. Man Doesn't matter what's on your stay active true that took that is ever soccer. That sport socks I hear I hear that is the worst one day. You'll be able to run anymore so you can feel bad matters back to you in the soccer players. I can't run that far. Well good. I'm glad I got on the pilot cabinet like Nice thirty minute episode. Good information mation. Good man I mean. There's no other nowhere else again. This prime region talk anywhere else. Yeah and I'm excited for you. Come on our podcast. Because I don't know I'm expecting like some of the podcast they're probably gonna go off the rails knowing who am as a host like. ill go off the rails at some point. You don't. You'll be there for a time when it does. I'll bring my game for sure. Are I. Mattered do thank heaven on the pocket. I appreciate it of course and hopefully we'll be seeing you in December For Football Tournament for sure. Thank you guys tuning in season three of the yard work. I'm Youth Yard Rogue Andrew and this was the artwork.

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