17 Burst results for "John grooten"
"john grooten" Discussed on Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock
"All right. Here's what I'll say first. Let's start with ego. Right. John grooten has a Super Bowl. He does have a ring. We we start off to show where the ringlets John grooten naturally. Does have a Super Bowl ring. He has proven that he can have success at the NFL level. That's why he's been given the opportunity to go and coach the raiders at this moment in time to begin with dollar contract. Right. If you're going to come in and be the guy that that they're bringing you in to be do it your way. I don't think that's necessarily connected so much to ego rather than being connected to sensibility of what it is. You want your alternate and result to be if his goal is to build the type of team that he wants to build to win. Then he needs to have the confidence to be able to make those decisions to go do that. If that's moving up to the number one pick bringing calamari. Then that's what it is. Now with that being said can he justify doing those things the draft equity with with Amari and with Khalil Mack? Can he justify that by not wanting it to work with with car that remains to be saying? But the reality of it is is if you've been brought in and you've been paid to do a job, and you bring in you feel like can do a great job I worked with may. I think may does does a fine job of valuating talent. If they feel like this is what they needed to do. And you get rid of a God quality guy MacKenzie as the GM the team has not had success, regardless of who's been there. Khalil mack. Dare carr. Mario Cooper this team has not transitioned into being an elite team and the NFL. Why not try something different? That would be my my thought process. I just think to me it would be crazy because I don't want honestly this and that I don't wanna be the first person. I wouldn't look last night and this morning. At some people. Enjoy being the first person. Yeah. Me. I'm just saying. I mean just on. I don't know. I disagree with that. Right. I'm Kyle them. I don't want to be the first guy to draft the underside quarter undersized quarterback. Russell Wilson went in the third round appropriate. But Doug Flutie Winton eleventh round about what about your didn't go number one. Roy. He went to say, so. Heard from the past them, right? Why not pass why pass on drew Brees? Or Russell Wilson. We know if you're telling me, you not gonna draft column urge just because he's five ten. Yeah..
"john grooten" Discussed on Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock
"Give him go all for column. All right. So I'm gonna go all in on disagreeing with both the here's what I'll say first, let's start with ego. Right. John grooten has a Super Bowl. He does have a ring. We we start off to show where the ringlets. John grooten. Actually does have a Super Bowl ring. He has proven that he can have success at the NFL level. That's why he's been given the opportunity to go and coach the raiders at this moment in time to begin with the contract, right? If you're going to come in and be the guy that that they're bringing you into be do it your way. I don't think that's necessarily connected so much to ego rather than being connected to sensibility of what it is. You want your Otomat and result to be if his goal is to build the type of team that he wants to build to win. Then he needs to have the confidence to be able to make those decisions to go do that. If that's moving up to the number one pick bringing calamari then that's what it is. Now with that being said can he justify doing those things the draft equity with Amari and and with Khalil Mack? Can he justified that by not wanting it to work with with car? That remains to be saying. But the reality of it is is if you've been brought in and you've been paid to do a job you bring in may argue feel like can do a great job. I worked with may. I think does a fine job of evaluating talent. If they feel like this is what they needed to do. And you get rid of a guy quality guy and MacKenzie as the GM the team has not had success, regardless of who's been there. Khalil mack. Dare car. Mari Cooper this team has not transitioned into being an elite team and fell. Why not try something different? That would be my my thought process. I just think to me it would be crazy because I don't want honestly this and that I don't wanna be the first person. I wouldn't look last night and this morning at some people enjoy being the first person. Me. I'm just being honest. I don't know. I disagree with that. Okay. Practice. Make ferber. I'm kyle. I don't wanna be the first guy to draft the undecided. Quarter undersized quarterback. Russell Wilson went in the third round appropriate. But Doug Flutie Winton eleventh round about doing what about your reaction didn't go number..
"john grooten" Discussed on Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ
"It's just funny because that's what coaches do they're going to put that on their resume. Once again that's in line on the resume. But once you for instance, if I. Because he drove my coma work too. Right. I mean, I get it that you wanna be around smart successful people. But eventually when they say, okay, you go do it. And then you go do it. And nothing happens. That's on you. Yeah. It's it's a interesting situation. But I think that Tony Brown Jerry Rice, you know, he's got a long ways to go. He certainly if he continues to stay healthy, and he continued to play for the next eleven seasons is not without is not out of reach. I don't think he'll be with the raiders for the next eleven seasons. But you know, he's a he's a one of the better receivers in the National Football League. The raiders certainly have gotten what I want to see how this relationship in which John grooten. Oh, we'll hear from Jon Gruden. He's going to tell us what he likes about AB. And I want to talk more about that offensive genius label key because I'm going to need some tangible proof I'm gonna need some receipts on who he's made into an offense of genius or which offenses. He's had that are genius like as well. Plus wanna hear from raider fans? What you think about the raiders have done with Antonio Brown? Eight seven seven seven ten ESPN all of that coming up. Happy hour Thursday Travis. Yes. Any particular reason Chris just because sometimes you need a little pill will there's to grieve you out on Thursday morning. Come your food. Greer's the food Helzer thereto has arrived. There's the food key here. Oh, man, unfortunately, producer, Raj and l z are off today. So we're missing two of our faithful cast members we're gonna do. But if you need Raj should go on social media. Let's from yesterday. I wanna play the beginning. I'm gonna play the whole thing on this again. But this is in Tonio Brown yesterday talking about John Gruden ofensive. Guru listen to the very beginning of this Michigan Gruden played everything in my decision will come here of office. Guru you get excited just talking with them. All right. So that goes on and talks about how much you likes Jon Gruden after that, John you certainly going to get excited is no question about it. Offense of guru. I wanna stop right there. If I just pulled if I found a group of football fans that are they're knowledgeable football fans that are guys that have paid attention to the league for a while. And are not just guys that I love my team. Therefore, everything is great. And we started talking about offensive geniuses. We'd talk about Bill Walsh. We talk about a guy who came in and kinda innovated the west coast offense. And kind of changed football the short passing game pretending about offense of geniuses. Maybe you're talking about a guy like Andy Reid where everywhere he goes that quarterback becomes a very very good player. Very very successful player. If we're talking about offense of geniuses, and you wanna go way back maybe go back to the air coryell days in the San Diego Chargers where he's thrown all over the yard. You can even be more modern. And you say Sean McVeigh came in and took an offense that was nowhere that scoring three points game and had him scoring thirty five a game in one season. That's an offensive genius. Where exactly are the data points with Jon Gruden as an offense of genus because when you asked me about Jon Gruden I think too I think his initial run with the raiders were rich Gannon had a nice season in one and MVP great. I think about his run with your Tampa Bay team where you guys want a Super Bowl. And that team was led by its defense for the most part had one of the defenses of all times that wasn't a team that was scoring forty points game. Why is Jon Gruden offense? Jean where where's the data? Prove that he is. I think you go. I think he I she go back to the raiders as win. Al Davis put the team together. Rich Gannon was there. Rich Gannon had an MVP season. Tim Brown, Gerry, rise, etc..
"john grooten" Discussed on Silver & Black Pride
"I'm saying if you're own I'm saying, you know, owners have come on set things before. And they said look, right. And they end up going this. I hear you. I, you know, one of the guys said when the guy one of the funded said, they said, we'll Rosen died, and he said, well, you know, if they would have said Rosen, definitely dying. What are they talking about might? How did we get to this point? Where you go Rosen, and you got to be like probably. Little mac. Will you know, we were told Lil MAC get to. Yeah. You know what? Reggie McKenzie said, hey, so over there in Chicago the first time over my dead body that was just for fun. It happened. When heated wanna do it definitely wasn't. So we wanted to do right away. Well, here's the thing too. I mean, let's let's say, for example, they end up taking both at one which they should. I mean, it'd be crazy. It's Nick votes. If you truly believe in your quarterback Josh Rosen. I think you've got this around Josh Rosen with pieces as well have clippings berry is a healthy is the offense of minded coach. So that would help Josh Rosen. But you still gotta put pieces around the bliss say for all intensive purposes, they take Nick both, right? Who you as the raiders take a guy like Qatar Murray who could sit for year or two under Derek Carr is in if you are Jon Gruden his accord bag that shoe handpicked, you have selected you can groom him the way you want to you can moat him the way you want to. And then you could later on. If Garrett car has a great year, which we all hope that he does have a great year writer nation sell him off like you did Amari Cooper later on next seas. I don't know, man. Do this by eight I mean, five eight. Five nine issue killing me. I mean is it under twenty didn't start under twenty games. I can he has it. He's got an or their doubt about that. He can use his lake note out about that one hundred eighty five pounds. I mean, you know, something just says front when I when I hear hundred eight five five about. He's you know, he also has not the greatest on his Yvette, which we know you're at card in it. When most accurate devolve. I just I mean, I think though mammy Doug Flutie you solid at him. And you saw what happened to him? Are you are you are you doing hike discrimination? Are you are you? Hi discriminating. Are we gonna get are we going to get you going to get emails while you're height discriminating, Scott? I don't wanna get. No emails like that. Man. Hear what you say. But look drew Brees. I drew Brees five teen. Okay. Look look Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson is what five ten is. Well, I believe five nine five teen. If not a. I mean when you look with what if you have on arm strength, right? And you have the ability to create in today's fell especially in and out of the pocket. Right. If you groom if he sits down for a year or two, and he learned under John grooten, and he learns under that system, you tell me you mean to tell me, you don't think he's going to be good enough quarterback to get the is what do they put the right pieces around him in that system. You know, anything is possible. But I know I know anything is possible Scott. I'm putting you on. I'm putting you on on the black, man. No. I can't get it work in possible. But here's your here's really the question if you can't coach their car. Why should I trust you to somebody who's inferior damn? Wow. Shots. I mean, I still could Jon Gruden about this directly in. Who stay iterative right from my face. He said that if their car fails, then John Gruden fall that wouldn't step threatening. You said that at the NFL owners dating. You know in Orlando. So you gotta trust them to get make par who has the arm talent..
"john grooten" Discussed on WEEI
"Westwood One radio had the call and. Yeah, I it wasn't even. It wasn't a uniform ballgame. That was awful thirty four to three man thirty four to three and on Twitter. Somebody had had a raider logo had a paper bag on it. Man. This is about at because the raiders are now one in seven, and this is what this is what the NFL gave us yesterday to one win teams getting after and the shame of it for the raiders. Is a dude name Nick Mullins. I'll be honest. I didn't know who he was. He started for CJ better. CJ Beathard is the starting quarterback because Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt but Mullins with three touchdown passes. Third string quarterback sixteen to twenty two two hundred sixty two yards man. I mean, this guy was out here ball in on the raiders here. He is after the game. He just told me how proud of me. He was he sent me a message before the game. He said, no pressure just be yourself. And that's what I try to do before the game and during the game. And so just try to stay calm out there and lead the offense. Obviously, we got some veterans on the line. So it's just a very collective effort. So that's Nick Mullins in his first year from southern Mississippi. He wears FARs number four. He was talking about the phone call. He got from Breitbart. He was really good. Okay. I mean, he was really good and the other portion of the raiders really this bad. Yes. It's this bad. I told you I wasn't a fan of John Gruden when he got the job getting his I wouldn't be doing this hundred million dollars ten year deal. Like, no, this is a guy when he left Tampa, man. There are a lot of people say man, this guy, not that good. Yes. He won a Super Bowl with another group of players put together by Tony dungee and rich McKay. And then when they started letting him handle, everything it went downhill fast. So we're already seeing and watching the raiders look like a mess. One in seventy two one win. They got was the rest of the wraps helped him out here. And so I'm looking at Jon Gruden and part of me saying, okay. Do I look at him in a Jimmy Johnson type of way who took over the Cowboys in nineteen eighty nine made a whole lot of moves people said he was in over his head Jimmy ended up winning a Super Bowl in four years. Jimmy made a lot of changes. So that that's one part of me that says, you know, maybe John grooten, maybe when he can get it all the way he wanted. He can get this thing turned around right now it's a sinking ship Jimmy had that his first year because the Cowboys are three thirteen under Tom Landry. Nineteen Eighty-eight Jerry buys a team fires. Tom Landry toe. They go one in fifteen. Didn't they go seven and nine? They would ten games and it was. Could Jon Gruden be sly sly FOX like that. I wouldn't bet on it. But I'm just trying to say a best case scenario for raider nation, since my wife is a part of raider nation. The other part of me just looks at. It says what I thought said before him. This is a guy man whose reputation is different. The perception is different from the reality. And the reality is John left. A lot to be desired when he left Tampa Bay. But they're not getting out of that contract anytime soon, and you start to think about the players he gave away you gave away Khalil Mack. Jon Gruden sidelines. Video Jon Gruden looking at defense. Gordon? I mean, what's that? Traded away. Khalil Mack traded away your best defensive play knowing Reggie McKenzie. Your general manager wanted to keep him. They got a whole lot of draft picks coming up who's making the picks. Is it going to be grew? It's gotta be MacKenzie. I just think Reggie McKenzie is gonna get blown out. I really do. I don't I don't see I could find, you know, John, take this mess. Put the he's already putting it on him like a lot of his draft picks. So if you're Reggie McKenzie man having by you out move on your way. But this is John gruden's mess. Make no doubt about it. A mess. That offensive line issues last night, which led to seven sacks of Derek Carr. Here's John grooten after the game. I say wasn't good enough tonight. Oh, we got off to a good start. We lost some lineman offense really restricted a lot of things that we could do. And again, we we struggled defensively we gave up too many big plays fell behind and even the circumstances. It was tough. But we are a long way to go. I take responsibility for. The raiders are not tanking. I wanna put that out there and make sure that people understand. I do not believe that John. Hey, we're gonna tank we're trying to get the number one pick. No, no. This is not the NBA NBA the actively do it. And then there's usually a guy that you're taking four. I went Cleveland take that year. Lebron James is coming out. Think the baiters are trying to do that. Jon Gruden just doesn't like a lot of these guys. We're on the team, and he's trying to trade people off and get draft picks. But I do not believe that this team is just taking they're going in each week and grooten in his staffers running through film and just saying, hey, let's find a way to lose. I do not believe that. But it is clear he fan of of his team and his team's not a big fan of him because they didn't play like inspire team that gave a rip. The forty Niners are struggling to. But to see the way they went out there and the way they were performing an effort. They gave Takao economy wrote about that in the bay area athletic, and that's the big difference right now. Kyle Shanahan John Lynch general manager. Got an idea of what they want. And. Yes, losing Garoppolo hurt. They've had some other injuries. But you saw a teen. Go out there giving effort raiders weren't giving the kind of effort that they need to. There's a disconnect going on right now and John grooten needs to fix it. If you want to place blame alternately place that blame on Mark Davis. He's the owner he decided that Jon Gruden needed to come in here and have all this power eight five five three two three four six two two decades show on the new script shows eight five five three two three four six two two as we thought. There was a power struggle lost. Hugh Jackson opens up about issues that have gone on with his departure in Cleveland and last night. The Boston Celtics, let the Milwaukee Bucks. No. We're pretty good more than news coming your way right here. NBC sports radio..
"john grooten" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"So that one kind of hits home for me Kirk. Hey, I gotta ask you real quick about the Oakland Raiders, man. I know you got love for that squad. John gruden's going through it right now. Short term. How do they kind of get this thing back on track man because Derek Carr seems like he's he's out of sorts right now, I'm Cooper's got one catch last two weeks defense is leaking all over the place. I mean, just short term, how do you think Gruden puts a band aid on this thing? Yeah. I think this is it's already tough. You know, you gotta find ways to motivate these players now, this is where John grooten as a coach is going to have to do his best job ever. Really? Yeah. Because you know, you're six six weeks into it. And I think there's a lot of players who don't know what the light at the end of the tunnel is going to look like because with the way the Kansas City playing in the way that that division is, you know, the charters and how they're playing, you know, there is not I don't know if the raiders aren't gonna make the playoffs now. So if you if you're not if you're not making the playoffs, what's motivating you. That's what I think is going to be tough is that how can you motivate me? Were you? Probably won't be here next year. Because if I'm not the best player on the team, and you traded away our best putting the scene team. What am I supposed to think in terms of busting my butt on the line where I may not be in? I can injure myself. And now I can't play next year. So you got an interesting next couple of weeks months. We should say in terms of really motivating these guys and getting them in a situation where you're playing their best football, which is tough. Because it just you you see it every week. We've got some areas of concern. There's you're in the season. Now, there's no trade or nothing. You can do this who you are. Yeah. No doubt, man. And it's kinda hard to motivate a squad and sell them that you're serious about winning when you trade away their best player right before the start of the season. I mean, that's just people. Are you know, understand that they can read that one for what it is? And it's unfortunate because you know, the raiders only have a short time left in the bay. And then they're going to be off Vegas, and it seems like for Mark Davis. That's already kind of where his heart is residing. Hey, Kirk man, you're killing it. You're doing the college football work, Sirius XM Rams pre and post your all over a man. And and we love your your analysis. Appreciate your time. I know you're busy. So you always show us love your on kmby tonight. We appreciate you, man. We'll talk to you soon. Okay longer. Ryan cruciate. There's Kirk Morrison on kmby met Kirk back in two thousand and eleven and he was doing some stuff. It came b are and just let me like the coolest can this. When I was producing for Damon Bruce way back in the day. And yeah, man, he came on the show a few times, the very first time I ever filled in for Damon had Kirk on the show and just a cool cat, man. So we stayed in touch over the years. And I knew that, you know, guys when they transition from their playing days to like the broadcasting booze whatever they want to do after football. If they want to stay in the game be coaching broadcasting, whatever Newkirk had the chops, man. And the fact that he's working in so many different outlets right now just shows the ability that he has an in the way to the way diagnosis stuff. I mean, obviously, he's probably like one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet to which doesn't hurt it pays to be nice to people. You know? That's why we end the show with just be good to each other. To that end. It's game bureau tonight. We're being good to each other. We're going to talk to somebody who were always good to. And it's always good to us. Dan rostenkowski? He's got a new book out. And he's going to join us. We'll talk a little sharks hockey. And of course, we'll tell you about his new book that he's got albatross McKean about the sharks. If these walls could talk. Oh, if they could all right. It's game tonight right here on the sports here..
"john grooten" Discussed on Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ
"Twenty six to ten. The final score at stubhub yesterday which was all raider fans key. I mean, raider fans were out in force as you'd expect when the raiders played the Rams during the preseason tunnel raider fans in that game twenty six to ten, they were never in it. It wasn't as close as it looks at twenty six to ten. It was lopsided and the raiders. I know we're looking for the black and silver lining here key, but I'm kind of going over to your side on this one. I don't know if there's any silver lining for what we saw yesterday. There really isn't. The rate is our football team. I mean, I don't care what anybody tell me this team was not that awful year ago. They had some bumps and bruises, and I need tweaks and things, but they didn't need to tear distinct. Now the raiders shouldn't be one in four and in his position this is over. This is all John grooten. I mean, I had the radio on respect. I have the raiders winning four to five games this year. I don't even know that they get to that as I look at them now. I don't think they get to that because you could clearly for me as ex player. I can see what the players are kind of tired of. The salesmanship that's been going on over the last five weeks in, it's not that they're, they're the quit on their teammates or anything like that. I could just tell that the effort disa- feel like these lost the players if feels like that they're not buying into what he's selling. It's just like we're going through the motions and that could happen with a team. Why did they people like to hear that though? Travis because they don't wanna hear the truth, but sometimes you go through the motions. It's interesting the the raider fans are probably as diehard of any group of NFL fans that there is the the raider fans are incredibly loyal to their squad, and the raiders went through when they went to the Super Bowl. Was it to your Tampa team that? Oh, Yep. So after that, I think they had one or two, decent seasons until two years. They went through nearly twenty years of pretty bad football and they stayed with them. This feels a little bit different because as aggressive as raider fans can be even the most aggressive passionate diehard raider fan has to be looking at this younger, keep. This is five games into the new regime and you're talking about geyser Allsteel football. They're letting go the rope ready. It feels like they've decided that the messages stale, the guy is stale. This is year one. In five games in the year, one of a ten year deal Khalil Mack might be the MVP. He's in a different city on a different team, your franchise quarterback, that guy that you've been singing a song about from the more you got there. He looks like he's a bad player. It's a mess. I told Russia's he was trying to be coherent at the bar yesterday with the other people that was around me. I said that I wouldn't be surprised within eighteen games that car will be talked about as moving on from card. Some point eighteen games from now. People start to say, we need to move on from car. It'll be coming from the raiders organization because car certainly they have certainly car in a situation to look like a less than hundred million dollar quarterback. Now top at the Khalil Mack trae is looking like, what other than Khalil Mack, the Astor talking about the picks you're going to be now picking wear twenties, maybe later that Hello? Yeah, you're not gonna get in Oliver. Bolsa any of those guys if they Sakaba was would have been as bad as you would have predicted based on, you know, a year ago in Mitch, Trubisky you say, okay, get a top five. Pick the bear pigs are going to be in top five. Probably win their division of because the winning it. So he's gonna turn on car. The next move for Johnny boy, we've seen it. He market king gone. What more can leagues, but Khalil Mack gun. Michael Crabtree gone that he's got us on. I r you've got a team that's just not very talented. You got team that's not winning any games if Derek Carr is next. If that's the next guy that he starts saying, well, you know, we may have to look at some things..
"john grooten" Discussed on The Underdog Sports NFL Show
"You will be glad to have this app on your device. All right. Mario were back. Thank you drew for joining us. That was some interesting insight. I wanna I wanna talk about another head coach who was having his troubles, and that is Jon Gruden in Oakland buddy. This guy, this guy can't keep his foot out of his mouth and talking to the media about the team's defensive woes. He has the audacity or the ignorance or the obstinate. So I don't know what it is to say. It's hard to find a good pass rusher as an excuse for why this teams. Isn't producing what's wrong with this. Star, not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm starting to lean towards in pivot towards the idea that Jon Gruden was bought brought in to bring attention and be a personality because this is out of control and it's a little bit out of character in his his, his coaching history. Now, it's like it's it's Monday night football booth. John grooten who's providing sound bite after sound bite for the media, and and it's weird because it's not applying on the field and we're not seeing what not even saying that the grit or intensity of Jon Gruden coach team, even to the point where you would notice sometimes that Jon Gruden teams were a little bit tool wound up too tight and couldn't play loose. You don't see any of that. You just see a lot of bad football looks like limited limited coached football. And I don't know. Maybe maybe it's more interesting to just have the raiders head coach be allowed in crazy guy. I guess I will say that they did look better this week in their loss to the Denver Broncos. Granted, a one point loss, Derek Carr looked considerably better. Twenty nine to thirty two is is incredible. Regardless of if he was ball down the field or not, but they're ninety eight touchdown, marshawn header, marshawn had Marchand game eighteen carries for sixty five. And I will say that Amari Cooper clearly heard you and I last week winning ability. He gets thrown the ball ten times. He catches the ball ten times and he racks up one hundred sixteen yards. A Mark Uber looked great. This team has feel good about that. If nothing else was silver lining time after after a couple of weeks, you have to start the pick out what you're doing will maximize. That's one of the big things in Bakkies in in the NFL is is. Not only trying to round out your mistakes, but you got to maximize what you do well and keep getting better at what you do. Well, if they can say, okay, we're back with an efficient past game with our top playmaker putting up numbers in striking fear that way we can. We understand that defense, Oakland game plan against us to try to stop Amari and other things should open up. You can get into a flow. So if that type of thinking is happening this week and in the locker room and in the coach's office, then you run with that. So I'm hoping or we wanna hope as as genuine football fans at that can be the angle that the overstay well, I actually need that to happen after game three because I'm going to the raiders Browns game, and I would really prefer the raiders for three at that point. So ticket prices are a little bit suppressed. So if we could, if the raiders could have a tough, let's call it brutal loss this weekend. That would be wonderful for me. Do you think do you think they've figured it out or is this just maybe the maybe the Broncos aren't quite as good as their unbeaten record suggests. I mean, so we have one more week before we start to stamp what we see. Yeah, yeah. Generally, generally go with the first three games. Can't take away two wins from the Broncos just not a not a good practice, but you know, I, I'm not sold an, I'm not..
"john grooten" Discussed on The Right Time with Bomani Jones
"They just blew it added dude. You see it as being Maslum came at me on the internet. 'cause I've talked about the Peterman and he was like, would you joke about the Peterman if he was black? I'm like, if you watched him play. Like all you white folks out here, making jokes about this, do you come look at me? What are you serious? Yeah, we got jobs Peterman. I joke about the Peterman primarily because his name's Peterman and I like to call him to Peterman. And in fact, that's really the only joke I tell about him is that he's the Peterman that's it. The only one that's it. That's all. And by the way, say this have Peterman at least they don't think the peterman's the future gape. What'd you think about Derek Carr last night. Yeah. Well, he's going to have to be John gruden's guy. Because he's there and he's got a big contract and they chose, you know, paying him money, overpaying, Khalil, Mack money. They did this idea. We can't pay two guys, twenty million dollars a year. That means you should've traded the one that you're currently paying twenty million dollars a year. Like I've probably could've traded Derek Carr and got in something just because of the quarterback scarcity. Now, maybe they didn't have another answer for what it was that they were going to do at quarterback, but the reality is Derek, isn't that good? He's had stretches where he's put up decent numbers, but dare car gets out there. I don't think Derek Carr is terribly dissimilar from Alex Smith except for the fact that Alex Smith doesn't turn the ball over as much like is not there. I think for a lot of NFL fans, Derek cards to sort of do you listen to what other people have had to say about him without actually watching him play? And so you decide he must be a decent quarterback as all these other people saying that he is a decent quarterback. I see no decency bro. I saw profanity last night and you saw the worst dare car, which is the Dink and dunk. I also by the way, did not see an offense scheme that seemed to merit a guy being paid TIMMY dollars a year to be a hit coach. Did grund got out there and had to nerd tell Lisa Saulters, Khalil MAG, did not want to be a writer Khalil Mack. Asked y'all for a contract extension. He didn't want to be a raider at the prices that you were paying, but he wanted to be there. And so now they've made this call cars going to be the do now carbon to watch his back. Here's what there's a reason why John grooten could feel comfortable train Khalil Mack the way that he did. And that's because John Gruden has a zillion out contract that lasts world bunch of years. So Jon Gruden to be like, yeah, we'd get rid of the best player we have right now to get a couple number one picks why, because John grooten doesn't have to worry about the right now. Everybody else's out here, scared to death of jobs in his league, and they gotta worry about two right now grew does not have to worry about the right now because of the magnitude of his contract. He doesn't have to do that. Right. Now, fast forward, Derek Carr rate is probably need to be looking for a quarterback. Most teams don't realize that, but I think they might because Jon Gruden has no attachment or loyalty to Derek Carr. In spite of all the things you say about dare card in the best quarterback he ever coach, which indicates that he'd ever goes to good quarterback before. Sorry, rich Gannon. John gruden's the one who said that not me. But grew also says that they can get out from that contract next year would like a five million dollar captured..
"john grooten" Discussed on WEEI
"His debut as head coach your nightcap, raven raiders and Rams this game being played Oakland. John grooten. Making his comeback with the raiders. So. Can we see? A new head coach finally get a win because all the head coaches who made their debuts over the weekend loss. So we'll see what Gruden can do picking the Rams. We'll see what Patricia can do. I'm going to take the lions and I'll take the line simply because Sam darnold still a rookie quarterback. And I'm going to assume that Matt Patricia we'll do his part as a former defensive coordinator and make sure that Sam darnold has some looks that he's not used to deepen tobacco coach. Brian Stewart has his team. His guys ready to go against a rookie to try to make life a little bit hearts of gimme those two games on Monday night football, fun, fun weekend. Football all the way. Eight five five three two three four six two two. That's the phone number to reach us here at eight five three two three four six two two. Also, you can find me on Twitter and Facebook Facebook page like us at Nui Scruggs sports, any W Y S C R U GTS and then on Twitter. It's at nearly Scruggs any w y s and newest shows of two Twitter handles for you to follow over there. I'm disgusted by what I saw from the bills. And if I'm Terry pa- Gula, the owner of the bills, I'm shaking, my head of what happened because it's simply you can't look that bad. No at some point in time. People start lying to the fans, or at least be truthful about what's going on. What we saw bad. Let me also raise my hand about something. I was so wrong about I'm not alone. Tampa Bay Buccaneers who saw that comment who saw fits magic. Forty eight forty at the Superdome. Ryan Fitzpatrick with four touchdown passes. Four hundred seventeen yards and spread the ball around. I did watch that game. I've got I've got the NFL Sunday ticket. So sitting around watching it and the amount of offense in this game was crazy. Bucks. Five hundred twenty nine total yards sanctum four hundred seventy five total yards. Drew Brees four hundred thirty nine yards and a touchdown. He got robbed of one two. And I don't know why Sean Payton, and this is one way I'd love to Ashok Payton after the game show. Take me through your thought process of why you didn't challenge the coal about Michael Thomas because he wasn't down. He wasn't touch. That was a touchdown pass, man. Breeze can have four of them. The NFC south is going to be everything we thought it was a tough tough. We'll see what the buccaneers can follow this up because their first three games. We talked about it on the air. I thought they were gonna be on three. They're not they get Filadelfia next. And then they get the Steelers. Both of those games are in Florida. The eagles offense. Lou. Lou. And that Steelers team. Steals. Bad six turnovers. Ben rothlisberger. Just given the ball away. If the Steelers can't block up front this Tampa Bay delays. Go. What I thought was going to start up as a bad September for the buccaneers that. Maybe they would win one game being the final game of the month at Chicago. They may split this thing they may go to into. They could go three and one in today's NFL. We don't know every year. Somebody surprises us every year now as week one. Yeah. What reacted? But I'm just telling you the truth. You this is what could it could happen that offense looked good? Mike evans. Look good last year. You didn't have here. We thought he would does. Shawn jackson. Look good. He he left with a concussion. Chris got a player that people have been talking about his talent down there. He was fantastic yesterday. So Mike Gavin seven catches one hundred forty seven yard touchdown to Sean Jackson. Five catches a forty six yard. What the last time? He saw two guys on the team each have over one hundred and forty five yards and a touchdown in the game on the other side. Michael Thomas, one hundred eighty yards on sixteen catches should have been seventeen catches for over two hundred and two touchdowns instead of the one Alvin Kamara nine catches one hundred twelve yards. Pretty good. Three total touchdowns in the game. He led the saints in rushing. Eight carries twenty nine yards. Two touchdowns. Alvin Kamara is really good. Mike guiltlessly fumble. Really? I mean, come on, man. Three carries now yards. You fumble? This is how you get cut from New England. This is how you can get cut when. When they get back from Alabama Heisman Trophy winner. Mark ingram. I mean, do you can't fumble the rock New Orleans did not run the ball enough? That's one thing. I would say when I if I'm Sean Payton go back there. And you look at your team thirteen carries for forty three yards averaging three point three on the ground. That's just not going to cut. They've got to figure out a way to get better. Now, you could also say, hey where you behind in the football game. So you had to get away from the run game. But that's the one thing. I would say if I'm the saints trying to work on the run a little bit. But at the same time to I'm Michael Thomas owner my fantasy league sixteen catches one hundred eighty yard. Yes, sir. Throw it all day long. Saints deepest, get better. Some people pick the saints to make the Super Bowl. I did not. I did have them in the playoffs. I had I had saints falcons facing each other in the NFC championship game. That didn't look good right now that pick. Critical game for the saints this week. All right. You lose a home game and the division game against the bucks. Now here come the Browns. In the Browns with six sacks against Ben Rothlisberger. So the saints better be ready to block it out this week, and they cannot go to because if the saints swallow a to they're going to Atlanta the week after that. So this is critical man you fall down. Oh two and a whole your chances of making the playoffs around eleven percent. So there's some teams this week who when they meet when they start getting together they're going to be looking at each other like fellas we gotta get it done this week. We have got to get it done. Opponent of the saints defense. Minus. What would you have minus seven? That. Look, man. The things were already taken in my league. I didn't expect that it was fun game. So I go from watching this fun game of the saints in the box and for those who don't know him down. Here douse Fort Worth Texas, and I covered. Cowboys main sports hang going NBC in Dallas. And then I watched that that that offensive output of nothing between Carolina and the Cowboys man was bad to watch three touchdowns cowboy scored eight points. Painter scored sixteen how much is bad football Westbrook. Gosh, go from track me to that. Saints defense. Yemen, minus seen thing. I hate about the minus sevens man, it just it just hurts your team so much. We that's almost ten points. Man. That's that's that's a major swing on your fantasy team. So hopefully, Josh you had Alvin Kamara you had somebody else that could help take the sting of that away. Because. Hi. I got a Cooper. Hey, all right. So all right. I need Cooper to work out. Because I told you to go over Nelson Agla. I think Cooper will feast today against that raiders defense, South Carolina thought go pull off an upset. USC? Did exactly what I said. They would do against Stanford. And Clemson they got to win. But it wasn't easy. Lots to unpack from college football weekend. We'll do it next. Brian Fisher, college football, talk dot com..
"john grooten" Discussed on Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ
"The raiders should have whatever. For whatever reason, people feel about Jack del Rio. They should just brought in John grooten put one or two other pieces around him and went from there is almost like I tell people all the time. They say, well, we had an opportunity to give Bill Parcells with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the year we went to the Super Bowl. Parcells was actually supposed to be the coach. Remember he was driving now just if you had a change of heart at the last minute, would you guys have one? No, we wouldn't have won the Super Bowl in a reason. We wouldn't want a Super Bowl because he would completely destroy the team. He turned it upside down because that's not what he wanted or defense wasn't what he wanted. You know, he likes big linebackers for. Yeah, he wants to run the three four. I mean, he wants to do what he in. That's not deal with change your heart because the personnel was to change of heart. Something happened with his family. Think his brother got sick at the last minute. He just said, you know what? It's not what I wanna do. And so the end of the day because he was all teed up ready to go. Why I bring that up is because the raiders were to raiders two games away from potentially being in a Super Bowl two years ago and car got hurt things fortunes changed. You don't all of a sudden to a disasters of team when you were on the crime two years ago. But the reason at the rate is becoming a disasters of team is because Johnny boy decided he's gonna come to do it his way. Oy come in and do it his way in. I think the raider fans for the most part. They don't really understand because they're so embedded into silver and black in bamboozled into believing in fooling, lent him, fool them that this is going to be the team that I left you with Al and they went to the Super Bowl and it's not the same. I wonder if that doesn't change a little bit and you're right it raider fans are so committed to their squad that they are absolutely as passionate about their team as anybody drug all time to that to your John Ireland on with bounced. He's out. He bounced in Ireland, have been a raider fan for the better part of thirty years, and he decides to bounce. And you wonder if this is one of those things that doesn't, and I'm not crazy. I know that raider fans are gonna stay raider fans for the most part. But if there isn't a little bit of turn on Jon Gruden if this team comes out right now, they're totally nowhere on defense that the offense doesn't take a move up, which is I think what people are expecting with Gruden if they just if they're a bad team, if they're raider team, that's five and twelve six. And ten, seven and nine. One of these things that just really not in the mix, if people will start to turn on grooten that quick. No, they won't turn on him. No, he'll do some voodoo on them and they'll believe into what he said. That's all he'll stuck with them are they stuck with him. So he'll he'll get his opportunity to see it through for at least five years before they start to really realize wake up, you know, a certain certain magic to, let's play it out. So next year they've got all the picks, right. They've got the first round picks that they went in, got from the bears, and let's say these guys don't turn into impact players right away. So now you're at year three or near four. The first rounders that you got from Chicago four Khalil Mack haven't really had any sort of meaningful impact. The raiders are spinning their wheels during Vegas, but you not a good team. You're not going to be thinking about those draft picks three year two years from now we will, but the raider fans will because because what will happen is they'll flip the script on them and do something else to take your mind off of that. You know what I'm saying? All of a sudden go out and sign. Maybe I'm Bill. So now it's like, yes, like that. Now, that's what they'll do. They'll go out and sign a guy like Bill, so you completely forget about the Khalil Mack because what they'll do is they'll use that to buffer everything else. For instance, that's kind of how they play it..
"john grooten" Discussed on Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock
"Here we are. I'm not sure I little up in the air on where I am with Jon Gruden. Jon Gruden is a bully. And that has worked for him as a head coach. He turned the raiders around the first time. One is Super Bowl with Tony Dundee's players in Tampa. Don't do that. Only rolled onto the bed with anything. So I don't. I, he, I don't get this move with Khalil Mack, but I also somewhat understanding because I just wouldn't have paid Khalil Mack that much money. When I look at the raiders defense in with him, they didn't perform all that well, so can you really pay make the guy the highest paid defensive player in the league when his defense and he was on, didn't play that well, but I, I'm not sure that grooms gonna win his locker room with this decision. I don't think the guys on the team or on board with what the raiders this did and they blame grew. Yeah. I mean, this is going to kill me to talk about my own former defense, alignment like myself, but you can't pay the guy. We don't buy defensive lineman standards. Even if you over achieve affect the win loss column to the degree we used to and yesteryear yesteryear guys used to go out there and throw the ball thirty times. We've thought was. Yesteryear when I play. Or even before definitely before edgy. Why didn't make a difference? The losses, Wednesday lost. Let's talk about you. Wanna talk about big games, Super Bowl, games games where a guy had three or more sacks in the biggest game that year to Super Bowl, three of those four guys lost that game coat. I just had three, six. Oh, y'all loss. So the point is the win loss column historically has not been affected by defense alignment. This talk about Jon Gruden. John grooten is in a unique situation and because of his contract status of a ten year, one hundred million dollar guaranteed deal in a sport of no guarantees. Guess what you are going to do some unconventional things you on a ten year plan where every other players on the next play plan. And that's the problem right here because he didn't even take initiative the talk to his star player import because he's like, I'm gonna be here on what survive, whatever he does up down. And I have the proper runway to coast to get this thing going to fuel it as necessary or to stand Pat and just watch how this develops. He didn't feel the sys- urgency to every of the person coaching or playing fills when you're in the National Football League. This is why you absolutely have to have a checks and balances system within a front office coaches. Think here in now general managers think about the long-term plan. Reggie McKenzie having looked up played in Green Bay on the wrong wolf ridge MacKenzie learn the game on the wrong wolf. You draft, you develop, you re-sign you good players and they become the core your team. You drafted Khalil Mack. Fourth overall Khalil Mack develop into an all pro player at two positions with a defensive player of the year. It is now time for him to get paid and you let them go. That's not good business. Even in this situation, the raiders had all the rights to retain Khalil Mack. He was playing on a fifth year option. They had to franchise tag available for two, maybe three more years. At worse if they didn't wanna pay him, they could've struggling along on year to year contracts and kept him into. He was out of his prime thirty years old before letting them go to me. This is a short-sighted coach not being able to see the full perspective on how to build a championship team gave a thing..
"john grooten" Discussed on Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock
"John grooten has talked about this five times now because it's been open because. Here, it's a distraction. It's clearly a distraction. If I were to say, who's the best player in a put on an Oakland Raiders helmet this year. Who would you say Khalil Mack here exact? No, absolutely. Not. We would people would say only say, dear car because he's in the quarterback position most important position on the field? No, it is. And Whitney went down with injury two years ago, they were terrible team. Absolutely MAC there. What Khalil Mack brings not only to this team, but to that defensive unit to the Oakland Raiders organization. He's been drafted there. He's done everything right. We've heard his his previous coach, talk about how great of a person he is. It's sometimes as a player you have to do things that you feel like you're deserving of in holding out, although it's not the most appealing thing from fan's perspective, they will never understand. They will never understand that. But sometimes you feel like you're being under under served when it comes to what's being put in your Bank account regardless if it's more than what the average person makes its. They were a playoff team and guess who was the defensive player of the year? He would, but they, they were one of the bottom five defenses, the national. He was doing. Hold on. Listen, I'm not disputing how good a player he is. I would dispute the level of importance. One defensive player is to the entirety of the perfect example is JJ watt has more sacks than anybody on earth, but it doesn't matter for Houston. It's whether or not their offense when they had to Sean watch out here commodity Miller in the Super Bowl, absolutely winning that game for them singlehanded, but that's just fun. Miller. Their overall defense was outstanding much like the Rams overall defense is outstanding. The the point is it's only a distraction because the media keeps asking me about my feelings and like you guys have been in camp. I have not been in NFL camp, but, but the way I look at it, it's like when you come when when there's a change atop at your place of work, right? You can't worry about somebody else's contract whether or not somebody else shows up work because all you wanna do is please your new boss because he didn't sign you. He has no ties to you. And so the question becomes is a distraction to the actual raider players not to the press conferences not to Jon Gruden, but to the actual players. And tell me if I'm wrong, but when it's somebody else's money, you don't think about it. You don't care about it. All your concerned about is your own job and how you're viewed by your coaching staff. We're answer this really quickly because it really depends on who you are in your status on that football team, but it is a distraction to the players because a lot of guys who think that they have an opportunity to make this team. It's really because Khalil Mack isn't there and you're getting more the site. So the moment you're, you're happy but the MO, you're in the back of your mind. You know, walk into the moment. He walks into this building is getting cut. It's over. It's over for me. The Cornerbacks are not thrilled knowing Khalil Mack eight, rushing the passer, yes, you're already a bad secondary. What's going to happen without a pass, rush. MAC is the best deepest on that football team for sure. So when he's there, they're a average defense that you're talking about. I descend. We go to air with Don when he's out of that unit, that is still a good defense, but he, he makes it great. Khalil Mack does not make it great. Is he worked Monday most? Definitely because he's. That type of player. He's a game changing even though it's one guy we still getting change right now. You're making me have memories when Randy Livingston got cutting NBA was in CBS. I'm walking the building and I knew kind of pack my stomach. Welcome back fishing, mcintyre's back. We're joined by FOX college ball reporter, Bruce Delvin. Let's move to college. Football shall we wear Ohio State is still investigating what urban Meyer new and how he responded to former assistant Zack Smith's domestic violence allegations and the schools self prescribed fourteen day time line for the investigation will expire this weekend. Now, several anonymous sources in college football tell the Chicago Tribune. There's no way urban Meyer loses his job over the incident..
"john grooten" Discussed on Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock
"John grooten has talked about this five times now because it's been open because. Here, it's a distraction. It's clearly a distraction. If I were to say, who's the best player to put on an Oakland Raiders helmet this year? Who would you say Khalil Mack exact? No, absolutely. Not. We would say only say, dear car because he's in the quarterback. Was this important position on the field? No, it is. And he went down with injury two years ago. They were terrible team. Absolutely MAC there. Living at what Khalil Mack brings not only to this team, but to that defensive unit to the Oakland Raiders organization. He's been drafted there. He's done everything right. We've heard his his previous coach, talk about how great of a person he is. It's sometimes as a player you have to do things that you feel like you're deserving of in holding out, although it's not the most appealing thing from a fan's perspective, they will never understand. They will never understand that. But sometimes you feel like you're being under under served when it comes to what's being put in your Bank account regardless if it's more than what the average person makes its. They were a playoff team and guess who was the defensive player of the year? He would they. They were one of the bottom five defenses, the national. He was still. Hold on. Listen, I'm not disputing how good a player he is. I would dispute the level of importance. One defensive player is to the entirety of the perfect sample is JJ. Watt has more sex than anybody on earth, but it doesn't matter for Houston. It's whether or not their offense when they had to Sean watch them onto Miller in the Super Bowl. Absolutely Newton. Newton winning that game for them singlehanded, but that's just fun. Miller. Their overall defense was outstanding, which like the Rams overall defense is outstanding. The the point is it's only a distraction because the media keeps asking about it. My my feelings, you guys have been in camp. I have not been in NFL camp, but, but the way I look at it, it's like when you come when when there's a change atop at your place of work, right? You can't worry about somebody else's contract whether or not somebody else shows aboard, because all you wanna do is please your new boss because he didn't sign you. He has no ties to you. And so the question becomes is a distraction to the actual raider players not to the press conferences not to Jon Gruden, but to the actual players. And for tell me if I'm wrong, but when it's somebody else's money, you don't think about it. You don't care about it. All you're concerned about is your own job and how you're viewed by your coaching staff. Again answer this really quick because it really depends on who you are in your status on that football team, but it is a distraction to the players because a lot of guys who think that they have an. Opportunity to make this team. It's really because Khalil Mack isn't fair, and you're getting more the site. So the moment you're, you're happy but the MO, you're in the back of your mind. You know, walk in the moment he walks into this building is getting cut. It's over. It's over for me. The Cornerbacks are not thrilled knowing Khalil Mack eight, rushing the passer, yes, you're already a bad secondary. What's going to happen without a pass, rush. MAC is the best deep on that football team for sure. So when he's there, they're a average defense that you're talking about. I Don when he's out of that unit that is still a good defense, but he he makes it great. Khalil. Mack does not make a great is he worth the money most definitely because he's that type of player. He's a game changing even though it's one guy, we still a game change right now. You're making me have memories when Randy Livingston got cutting NBA was in CBS. I'm welcome the building and I knew kind of pack my stuff. Welcome back facing mcintyre's back. We're joined by scholars reporter, Bruce Feldman, let's move to college. Football shall we wear Ohio State is still investigating what urban Meyer new and how he responded to former assistant Zack's miss domestic violence allegations and the schools self prescribed fourteen day time line for the investigation will expire this weekend. Now, several anonymous sources in college football tell the Chicago Tribune. There's no way urban Meyer loses his job over the incident..
"john grooten" Discussed on Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin
"Do it's listen. I was there for Monday and Tuesday in Baltimore that they were the better team. The Rams is better team as compared to the ravens. I don't want to say they won two days of practice because one does not keep score for two days of practice, but what it was ones on ones, they were the better team Baltimore clearly made plays, but the the. The Rams of the better team, Sean McVeigh said about publicly and privately that they went to Baltimore early to get to really good days of or for the entire team, but starters, most notably, and if they got two days at work and very important factory, they got out of those two days of work healthy. Then he wasn't gonna put anybody out there. I do think it's a little disconcerting. John manufactured play well, you want to go back to week seventeen as well last year when he had a chance against the Niners didn't play that. Well, he didn't have much help in front of him and he was going against Baltimore's. Number one, we were a little surprised. You know, we're told the morning, oh yeah, they might play twenty plays each mean to the ravens starters, and lo and behold, they did. Joe flacco. Got that one drive marched down the field. I think reports Joe flacco demise of in greatly exaggerated, but I wouldn't read much into it, nor would I expect, you know, listen to Sean conference call about an hour ago, many starters to see the fee. This week at the Coliseum because remember they play the raiders in three weeks. You don't wanna show anything we're talking to Philly. Don't agree, but we agree, it's kind of silly it to coaches do are there to coaches that know each other better than Sean McVay and John grooten. I mean, what are you going to show? I. Jon Gruden and j gruesome leg. Like little work, eight Griggs. Align. Let's let's see. Okay, now we're talking to red zone channel NFL network. I let's stay with Gruden here for a second because I am a Gruden skeptic. I do not accept the the wisdom of just because Jon Gruden is back that he is going to lead the raiders to greatness ontinue. Do you need to believe in Jon Gruden right now he's going to do the job for you. Just wait up, betcha something like that. If you go back and you look at the guys actual coaching record, there's some excellent accomplishments like a Super Bowl key sticks up for him every day from Sunday, but the flipside is there are some really down years there too. I'm on the right side of this one. I think you are. I think he's a heck of a coach and I think they're going to be they're going to be better than last year by just don't know how much better and what that means in the win column..
"john grooten" Discussed on First Things First
"Nick take your pick i'm gonna take the field because i think this is the most closely contested division in football i think it's the only division see that you can make an equally good case for all four of the team's raiders chargers broncos and my hometown can't see chief so i'll take the field i gotta take the field i'm interested in kansas city quarterback how they're going to develop him i'm also interested in john grooten coming back into the national football league after an extended absence let's see of tv makes you smarter at football and of course the denver broncos jinnah in your case keenum coming over there i'm gonna take the field in the afc west easy to be my guy forever until you abandon him probably will want to learn three or four of the quarterback oh burned to eat texas coach bill o'brien on watson to be ready for training carries acl last season while eagles coach doug peterson says carson wentz or turn from his tornado when he's ready both guys look like mvp's before getting hurt so which one has better chance to win mvp season watson or c take your pick with winds a greater sample size been the league one year longer a believe got a better supporting cast not only as a running back in skilled guys but i believe as a defense philadelphia they know what they wanna do is an offense it's been well established houston what kind of offense are they going to be houston's offense to also how much depend on the sean watson's legs compared carson wentz and philadelphia the not dependent on his leg i'm going to go with the show and watson because he suffered his injury about italy suffered his injury about six weeks earlier than carson wentz you talked about the time it takes come back from it he's also a guy having torn his other acl before he knows the process and i think if the texans are.
"john grooten" Discussed on Sports 600 ESPN
"To say paul right now it's incumbent upon the raiders to come out of this draft with certain things what would those three things be i can only go on with jon gruden said chew things that he is really a specified is to give khalil mack help and to get him help you need somebody as an interior defensive linemen who can give them push that way he can occupy blockers and khalil mack and get a one on one this fall gunther says that there's a bliss to him if you can get khalil mack and the one on one situation that is there a bliss and that would be the help that he needs i think that's one specific need and as much as they've gone out and signed all these thirty year old cornerbacks out there that is another specific need that they have so i think it's definitely contingent on the defensive side of the ball to to get draft picks their defensive tackle cornerback linebacker all across the board they probably still need to get a running back as well because if marshawn lynch and in the last year his contract because nobody else on the roster that show that they can be a belco back other than doug martin but they don't even know what doug martin has left in the tank and they still need a plumber to so it's a lot of things that they still need going forward paul gutierrez nfl nation raiders report it didn't go so well that gutierrez nfl mason joining us real quick one more when you look at this team paul are they closer to the twelve win team of two seasons ago or the six win team of last season depends upon is derek carr can get made ride again by john grooten and that was why he was brought in was to be the quarterback whisperer to get his confidence back to get that offensive humming like it was a couple of years ago so and we talked about the defense and the draft and everything but the talent is still there on the offensive side of the ball and then they can sit yeah real quick is a mario cooper gonna bounce back is he going to kind of recreate some of the things we saw early on and get passed last year which was a real disappointment.