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Surviving the Covid-19 Pandemic in Milan, Italy (with John Vincent)

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Surviving the Covid-19 Pandemic in Milan, Italy (with John Vincent)

"You're listening to well feel free. America where own knowledge so liberty justice that is blind deaf toll free. It's filter to free America. Mother fucker no has low filter free America listeners. Welcome to the very first. Cova nineteen quarantine episode of the filter. Free America podcast. Yes as of the day of this recording we all of us on the same planet or dealing with a global pandemic is it real or is it a a man made creation or is it just nature kicking our ass. Who the fuck really knows at this point look into it regardless of the cause and regardless of the reality of the situation the uncertainty of where we are in now and we're going in all aspects of society the economy health freedom loss is a little bit scary not scary and beyond self control and social function yet but still a little scary. My guess is episode. Is Brilliantly funny comedian from Italy. John Vincent no relation? John Lives in Milan. Italy as most of you know at the date of this recording Italy is currently the country the most coveted nineteen deaths it is also the very first European country to experience a major outbreak. Italy is also currently on a countrywide forced quarantine so of course. Our CONVERSATION REVOLVES AROUND COVE. Nineteen and his experiences living in an outbreak. Hotspot so I hope that will give some insight to Where a lot of getting ready to head to right now is that expands here in this country here in America also a small warning of sorts. I have long avoided online interview recordings because I liked the best possible sound quality. I can get and I feel. There is a less of a connection between the guest and the host when you do the online interviews But of course now we have a worldwide pandemic that we're all dealing with in booking in studio guests is not a luxury that I currently have. That said please excuse the sound quality of the interview segment. It's still pretty good. 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What sections have skyrocketed? It's the center of the pack. Chance against the number of corona virus cases outside. China is growing rapidly from China of violating. The rules on movement is increasing. Italy is on total lockdown by telling the audience where you're at in the world okay. I'm currently based in Milan. The city of Milan Actually technically The northern part of the city of Milan so north of Piazza di Loreto which is where they hanged. Mussalini. If you're interested in a little bit of Veda yet so I'm I'm nearby that Place and yes. I've been stuck in here for about almost three weeks in my house in your house for three weeks in Milan after. Take me to your very first Memory or or the first time that Cova die team this whole outbreak thing Wuhan China. When when did that come onto your radar? When would you wear? Yeah well aware I don't know was probably before Christmas because I mean you know you read in the news at the resist thing going on in China and I gotta be honest. I was one of the doubters I was like. I did not think that this was going to be a serious situation. I've been trump. I mean I'm thirty eight years old. So I've what I've lived through like I've heard of SARS the mad cow chicken flu. It's like every two months. Journalists would go crazy on some kind of new flu. That's supposed to come out and supposed to kill us all and you know this was like look. I'm tired of this shit. I've heard it all before. Nothing's going to happen all going to get nervous about it and that's it and this is the one time that I was wrong. Obviously but so it was probably on my radar before December. So you know if I SNEEZE. You make a joke. Like God's Corona rebid labs and Blah Blah Blah. That's all it is but people are making. What the corona jobs at the beer and and stuff like that and then. I think when it really hit was I mean when it really hit I. I'm trying to pinpoint the exact day but I think it was Sunday twenty third of February. If I'm not mistaken because I was actually a doing a comedy show with some colleagues right and I get the news that there's one infected nearby Milan and they're now going to close down. The whole area actually made him before that. I'm not really sure. But anyway they're going to close down. The whole area is a little town. I forget the name of the town right now. That little town near by the closing it off their quarantining in it this so-called patient one which is this guy who started had severe fever and he went to the emergency room and then he started to feel better so he left and then he came back because he started feeling ill again so he went to the emergency room twice in basically infected the whole emergency room twice all and that was the epicenter of the whole Infection here in Italy and that was when they called patient one were they were they even testing for that specifically when he came in at all was there was radar or something that they could. If I remember correctly from what I read they tested it the second time so like the first time. I think he may have just left on his own because probably I can imagine that if you go to the emergency room and you have a high fever just GonNa have you wait for a long time grow so he probably just got frustrated. Got Up and said fuck this. I'm leaving you know. And then later he's probably felt really really sick again. He said no and I was wrong. Let me go back. And then they took him in and then they tested so it was. It was theoretically on the radar. The point what wasn't on the radar was the necessary information. That if you have something that you suspect to be the the Kobe to be the corona you should not go to an emergency room because you're gonNA just infect everybody who's waiting with you right now. In fact the next day they had the number out they said do not go to emergency room. Called this number will come to you but by then it was too late but then there's like there's a lot I was reading the other day. They said Oh no but actually you know. The problem was that he was patient one. They never found patient zero. They don't know who effected him and it could have been anyway because like for example just like a week before that I had had a colleague Colleague Comedian Female Comedians who had been in China and had been working in China and she was shit. Come back and she's fine okay. So she clearly didn't have anything but you know we were all making jokes about her having corona virus that we couldn't stay near her until you know she was officially considered out of danger so it was kind of on the radio there. Was this idea that if you came back from China you had to. Not You know. Share a cigarette or shared joins or share a beer with anybody and there was added. Do what was your talking so February. Twenty third ish. A did you have a perception of how serious it was did you. Were you still a little kind of pooh-poohing and a little? Bit About Assets. No via pooing it totally I was it was a total Papu because it was absolutely like blackadder. I who's the boot was absolutely pooing. It totally because not only that I remember that I'm not really sure what the dates but it was around that period of them at some point Me and other comedians. We were putting together a podcast our own and we have we call comedians and things where we talk about different topics in every in every episode. And you know we said well. Why don't we do an episode on the Current Virus in Zion and Clod? Who's a good friend of mine? Data County I think you know her social media and she's she says well we should be careful about during the current virus situation can change so rapidly. You know that the podcast will no longer be up to date. So Screw. That shit flared up. Let's let's do it and then I immediately start with. This is all bullshit. It's GonNa pass and I totally trust my government going to quarantine for five Asos and then we'll be back to normal. I was like I was the first of Poos Poors so I know exactly what it's like to feel like this is not gonNa hit me and you weren't alone in that. I remember in that late February time that there were. I was posting a few things like I was like. This feels different. You know I was looking mostly videos from China and reactions and how the the the level of treatment when we see the Chinese officials walking down the street spraying the streets with some kind of cleaner disinfectant. Or whatever and you and you see videos released of doors being welded shut and I'm like this smells different than everything else. I remember about SARS and all that stuff and I was still getting. You know I wasn't committed one way or the other but I was getting people commenting on posted. I was making about that like hey look at this. And I'm like just fear Porn. This has happened before. So you're not alone in your skepticism. Yeah I love that term. Fear power just want to have a masturbated to yet so as progressed as as again late February. Early March here can you. Can you relate some of your maybe a changing emotions and things that you were saying as as this thing was taking hold of your country? Yeah so basically the first thing you see. Is you see people with masks which you probably see now in Minneapolis. Right if people going around and actually less than than I would suspect but it is starting to see be more. Well you know I like I again. I'M NOT GONNA. I'M NOT GONNA hide. I'm not gonNA pretend that I was like Cassandra or anything. I did not expect. It's hit so I was like These idiots with their stupid mass. So that I'll like it. I'll touch the bar on the on the on the subway. You know touch everything and I'll just sit down where somebody vomited does there is bullshit. It's fear mongering on the right it's because of the right it's the league because I'm I'm very left wing. You know they have they have a term Milan for people like me. They Call Them. Radzi couch chic. Which is like your your radically left wing. But in a way that's fashionable okay. Nice and they were like saying that you know the radical chic of Milan. Which just like they. They'd go to chinatowns specifically to prove that they're not afraid of it and they're gonNA spend each others mouth. 'cause it's just the league you know the the right wing party that wants everybody to be afraid of China and immigration. You know let's all in you know love each and so I was like I'm I'm on that back you know. Obviously so I'm like I'm not I'm not carrying it all. I'm not wearing a mask. I'm that wearing gloves. I'm just going to work. But then you realize that the situation slowly realised the situation becomes here is I think the rea the moment you realize it becomes serious is when the government is actually starting to close things down. Because you know okay. The schools nets the first thing. They closed down. The comedy shows got cancelled and I manage a few comedy shows myself and I was doing everything I could to keep them alive. Just we were looking like they release a decree and the decree would say You can have. I remember at the beginning. At some point. There was a thing where they said you can have a show but only if people are sitting down so like me and other. Comedians were trying to put together situations where everybody would be sitting down at a table so that we'd be within the measures of the decree perform. We're sitting at a table. Performing sitting. Down is that will not explain the audience so the audience sitting down. That's that wasn't acceptable. But if they were sitting down to be served that was acceptable. So if you made sure that every chair had access to a to a table to the dining table or something like a bar table then they could sit down official. We were looking for any kind of loophole. Basically until at one point I said well. Why don't we just wait for this whole thing to pass over and just cancel our shows you know and so I was calling colleagues from all over Italy saying. I'm sorry you can't come. Some of them were calling me and saying look. I don't feel comfortable coming to the show that you've Oakley fords and And so at the beginning. It's just you know comedians complaining. The the school kids are having the time of their lives like the city was invaded with teenagers. Just running amok you know because they're all suddenly free from school and nobody started you know e learning or distance learning yet because now all that's in place and other home studying and stuff was it. Was there any beginning of of the concern for the social distant this distance thing? Let me let happen leaders so I I'm trying I'm trying. I'm trying to get my dates right because I remember the last show I did think was on the twenty second or twenty third or fifth grade or remember and I killed by the way so now you say that worst thing would be if I had like died on stage and then I'd have to go through the whole quarantine thinking that I suck as a comedian. That'd be like a fog comes back and your last. That was a bad set. -actly because at least you know. What do you have a bad set? You're like well I'll get up tomorrow. And then maybe I'll improve and feel better about. At least they did well but that might pocket or would it. We started cancelling shows I think. Show the social distancing what it started yet I must have been so it must have been at the beginning of March right. Yeah so basically. We go through a whole week in which everybody's confused. Yeah so like from the twenty four to the first twenty four th of every first of March. Nobody knows what's going on. You know there's people like me who are just complete idiots are thinking all we gotta get the Comedy Rolling Again. This bullshit this. It's just a normal flu. That was the classic came out that we we've been saying that since February so it's just a normal flu. It's just a normal flu. It's just the the old people are going to die. Who NEEDS THEM ANYWAY? Less pensions it's more money for this. Is The you know the worst thoughts that might be the most frustrating thing I hear is people who are like well. Yeah but we have all these deaths of the normal flu every year and they can't wrap their head around the conceptualize the difference between what a normal flu. Death is in what we're seeing here with. This flew in. We should talk about that later. Because it's interesting 'cause even I was like part of that can get on with like it's a normal flu getting all over intuit's the media just fearmongering fear porn and that's another but it wasn't just us it wasn't just like idiots like me. I mean it was even the government itself. I mean the the mayor of Milan. Who's actually well beloved mayor? You know who's left-wing Democrat whatever Piece of his name he actually Shared the Hashtag not part of the which means that Milan continues. Milongo's on you know because the New York of Italy. So it's like you know as they are known for being workaholics. And they're always they always WANNA work work work and make money and the you know the very different than other. Italians that are more relaxed Milan. People like they're always in a rush and that was a very Milan thing to say we're going to continue working continue working and everything and he was even promoting he was like saying. We're not gonNA closed the pity TV where we're not going to close the the clubs. I mean my girlfriend went to a party on the first of March on. I think on Saturday the twenty ninth of March. We went out looking for pity evil and I noticed that the streets were empty because there were people who are much smarter than who are like had already figured out. This is a dangerous situation and I was like going around Milan and I find you know in a nice uppity fever and there's nobody there and there's all this food says let's get beer. Let's get a drink. Let's have the food it's all for us. This is great. I liked this epidemic. It's awesome you know not unbeknownst to us for obviously risking basically debt run by having that it ends looking at the video and pictures from from Italy and like the you know the the tourism hotspots and all that stuff. It's it's it's stonning seeing airy. Yeah a the the the the pictures came out about the you. Know the I can't remember the name of the of the location but play the things I've never seen pictures of without masses of people seeing them. They're just jack deserted in the middle. Hey did you see the pictures of Venice? Yeah Oh yeah. The the canals declared welcoming again. That's that's like the most amazing thing. Is that if if I stick my head out of the window here. The air of Milan is clean. And that's like the silver lining to the whole thing is that actually. I look outside. Have little a little small little garden out of my house and there's it's full of pigeons. It's like nature's reclaiming the world just yet just that quick. It's like it shows you. How how you know really. Small humanity is insignificant. We are in the in the span of history. It doesn't take long for us to be wiped away but it just disappeared for not even month. You know in already. Nature's reclaiming everything you know the Earth Bill so much more relaxed retina like. Yeah I mean well think about think about all the planes that are not buying a member like they said you know. Greta Thornburgh didn't want people to use the plane. While here you go you know wish. Granted congrats gotTA exactly what you wanted. And you can see the difference. But anyway I mean like I keep on saying I was a total then. It was the first week of March the first week of March. I'm still completely oblivious to everything you know. I'm I'm I'm I'm still going work. I'm still doing and Like I said you know. Meanwhile meanwhile but I'm starting to think something's going to happen. I don't think it's a danger but I think something's going to happen. So like on the second third. I was already of March. I was already stocking up and pasta and beans and tomatoes stuff like that and then we had the supermarket rush like happened three weeks before it happens over in the states. You know where. Ironically we didn't have the toilet paper rush that you had a matter of debate why this didn't happen in Italy but many people believe because in Italy we have the BJ's okay so you like nobody really cared about toilet paper. It wasn't an issue. Just wash asses water the day. Sales have gone up here. So Yeah we've actually consider getting one for our house but actually besides the corona virus a day so. I let me let me let me. Just let me just defend be you have no idea the pleasure of just spraying warm water on your asshole and slit sliding your finger in a little bit. Joey. I want you to know you. You're missing out as much as I enjoy. Pooping regular I can only imagine what it would be like to be able to to poop and then have warm water shoved in my asshole. It's amaz- it's like it's I would never leave the bathroom. At that point. I would know in fact in fact I hardly do. I would be recorded as up so right now on the toilet if I spent whole forty fifty minutes in the toilet. It's so pleasurable. It's like taking your shit and then taking a shower every time so this is a little bit of A. It's just the brackets for your audience. I think that's important that we defend that. I think you're hitting my audience right. Where they Things appreciates let's go. It's a very specific. Need that you're not ads. You know I'm just trying to hit the target there but actually apparently it's also very useful for women and You know so. It works all angles where there's nothing wrong with it. It's so anyway Grabbing close the bracket on B. Days So basic that. That's the whole thing so I started to to stock up and everything and then at one point I said I think he was like Friday. Your well I think I was on the seventh of March and I totally regret having done that. Because there was a birthday party there there was a birthday party and I could have very easily have gotten infected. That's an absolute factor. In fact I've been thinking today's the twenty six martyrs shells my birthday. Believe it or not you know some spending my birthday in the House. Do so thank you. No thank you joey. Absolutely pleasure to be here and So I was like what a dormancy period of fourteen days or something like that so I basically have been thinking if I manage to make it to the twenty sixth of March without coughing or sneezing or you know getting respiratory problems. I'm probably out of the woods so I'm probably lucky I haven't been hit. I it now I can just enjoy my life indoors for as long as it's GonNa last I. I have no idea what the future hasn't hold for me but yes That was I said to my girlfriend said. Look I've got a cat. So if you WANNA quarantine you're GONNA have to quarantine it might place. And so she's over here and I am so lucky to have this girl. I have to say she's sleepy right now. The back room and I am so fucking lucky because she is the best cook in the world and I have been. I have to say another silver lining. I have been eating the most vicious that you could ever imagine in this quarantine I mean. She makes me LASAGNA. She made me An Apple Pie just now. We had like pasta with with like a special onion sauce which is amazing. So actually tell you the truth. It's not that bad for me. Could be it could be a lot worse you know for me but unfortunately I do have a lot of friends. It's not that great for I mean I have a lot of people alone right now. There are eleven of thinking that it's it's nice to have companion boot where somebody you're dating that you can you know have some affection with just have some conversation. We look somebody in the eye in Barack imagined some of the the people who are either shut ins or individuals who are just you know. Don't have friends or family available to him or maybe far away. It's just that psychological impact as bad. Sometimes some of the the illness affects. Yeah I have some. I have some friends. I got some friends that are on their own. You know going through the quarantine. They can't see their family or anything and and and you know call them like on Zumra skype or whatever and I hear them. I hear the munching and like what are you eating is like I'm just. I'm just eating raw past the she uses basically your your basic standards of human decency of fallen so have fallen so deep that you're just crunching on Azure said coming from Italy. That just seems and this is coming from Italy exact. Neither Italian brave unbearable would be over here US eating raw rama noodles. That would be which. I'm pretty sure we've got those too. I mean I I don't I don't dare to imagine what my life would be like if I didn't have this person here with me because I would certainly be besides the fact that I be depressed. I mean I'M A I'M A. I'm a depressed person. As it goes the best of times in other words I wouldn't do comedy obviously and so I can just imagine I'd probably be pringles every day. You know like you say Rahman probably prepare one big pot of pasta needed for three days in a row in without any type of condiments and then just masturbated which is mostly what people doing I mean. Let's let's let's be clear. I mean most people get up and tone of the masturbation that changes. Sometimes you masturbate. Because you're celebrating and then sometimes you masturbate. Because you're sad you don't -magine it'll be mostly and that. I think it's even worse than I think. You Masturbate sometimes. Because you don't know what else to do and that's the worst. Only the coordinating board eighty. It's like I got a half Hour Jack Up. That is the worst type of massive is. You don't even enjoy. It's like picking your note. It becomes a task that needs to be done at that place. My God we know they made porn hub free in Italy. It's free everywhere now. I think it's everywhere. I'm afraid to click on it though because if I click on the free content than I may before subscribe. No no no no no they. They made it free without having to put your credit card details. Oh I'm just saying I might have liked it so much need to became a utility to me that I have to say. Oh yeah that's true but I mean is is I mean. What's wrong with that is true to be fair. I mean his worst things you can. You know wasting my money even worse. I'm sure you did. Yeah so what's take it to where when things got really serious right when when death number started to stack and I it started to. It seemed like when Italy was kind of like was my barometer for what was going on here. I one time I had heard that we were two weeks away. From where are what was the actual number I think was? We started having like one gram when we had twenty five deaths in. I heard a statistic that said at twenty five deaths and we were basically where Italy was two weeks ago so I was like okay now now. I'm really seriously concerned about what's going on here because I was watching. What was happening there with and everything. So I think you kind of are because What if I don't have my dates wrong? And the quarantine started for me on the tenth of March or was it the third of March but I think it was the tenth of March. I mean even my perception of time is kind of going out of weight. It's weird. How does yeah? Data's today where it was. My birthday wouldn't leave me. It was so like I think it was on the ten so in theory. Yes I mean if you're starting the quarantine now you're GonNa Start it tomorrow night. Basically from what I understand in this state or in this you know in Minneapolis right very well. Yeah I mean 'cause we'll consider that I mean regions vary so I mean even North Lumber D is worse off than for example. I don't know campaign. Yeah or Sicily example. I mean Sicily Sardinia those islands. So they're kind of like okay. Got Under control you know. They're just doing the quarantine to avoid from getting out of control so it does vary from region to region so I can imagine that in the future states. It will vary from state to state But like focusing on Minneapolis. I think you kind of our because you probably go into currency now and then you're going to start to see the peak because I think the worst. The worst situation was like towards was like last week the weekend of last week because less repeat already been currency for almost two weeks and the infections kept on rising like really fast and the deaths were were rising really really fast and so obviously the I thought that you have is like will. We're in quarantine. Were avoiding as much as possible contact with human beings. Why isn't going down and the reason is logical? Because if you think about it makes sense it makes sense that People who got infected on the first week of March are starting to show the symptoms on the third week of March. Right send me that you're gonNA find yourself with a situation where a week two weeks of quarantine things are getting worse. And that's what I think the panic really sets in used. I mean I started getting anxiety attacks. I started taking valium. You know and stuff. I have two things that I do. WanNa get panic attacks? I I take the medicine and then I watched star Trek because Star Trek calms me down. I don't know if you if you're a trekkie oke which which Jin is next or which any any star trek any such doesn't matter. It's like all star trek except for discovery because every fucking sucks generation. I love next generation. My favorite Captain Picard is absolutely the best but the any search. I just watched star Trek with Valium and then I just kind of like calm down so I was watching a lot strip myself. Was there ever a star Trek episode where they dealt with a viral infection? Oh there were several of the Joey. Don't get me started. You don't WanNa lose the whole podcast episode talking about Star Trek. But let's start with with the famous star Trek episode where there was a virus that made people go insane. Okay we had Sulu with a yes. And he was on the Hubbard in in like slimy oil and he was jumping around the ship with his with his little sword and and I was wondering how did people in Nineteen sixty nine not realized that he was gay event sane mean it was kind of obvious there are several. There were several. I think there was also a famous like deep space nine episode where they went to the past in the past there had been like a virus that had taken out. People and poor people were put in prisons. And it's a whole universe star. We don't want to go into. We don't want to go into the truck you around but the point is I've been watching star trek intake. Valves whatever it is that calms you down when the quarantine become serious like that do it. Because you know you you're gonNA need it because it's GonNa get worse before it gets better at this time. It's confusing what's going on. It seems that the infections are going down with the deaths are rising and Actually this is kind of the worst part about the whole thing is that it's not just people who are dying because of the virus it's also people who have like other illnesses and can't get cures that they need because the virus is basic- basically monopolizing the entire health system. And this kind of because we were saying before the whole thing like it's just a normal flu or whatever from what I understand that I'm not a doctor or anything but the whole point is that this is. This is a flu okay. It's a very virulent few few you can. You can recover from it. You can get better okay but it requires enormous resources for you to get better and that's really the problem. So the problem is that you need respirators. For the worst cases you need respirators. You need You know all kinds of infrastructure and that infrastructure is limited in in in relation to the amounts of people who are getting sick and this is the real issue. The real issue isn't like people are just dying. It's not like you know There's immortal virus that it hits you you explode. I mean okay. I'll be be a problem but this is like you can get better but you need resources to get better and those recesses are also being taken away from other people now I can give you actually a case in point this a dear friend of mine. His name is doubted. Eski and by obviously don't know him but he he was a comedian. An older comedian like fifth year old comedian and he had been the mentor for. All of us Me Cloud my friends. Everybody he taught us ahead to write jokes. He taught us you know stage presence in everything he everybody loves him. You know any had a tough career. You know successes failures friendships enemies. I mean a real comedian who just like Philip emotions. Full of anger full of A plastic comedian has anger inside. You know what I mean. Otherwise that's the real essence of and he had a stroke. Last year is ten months ago. He had a stroke and was in the hospital and everybody would go to see him and see what was going on with him. And unfortunately you know I went on and on and on and unfortunately he's still in the hospital now during the corona virus epidemic and we cannot go see him and he called me a couple of times on the phone. He's saying you know I I've been moved. They're no longer giving me physical therapy. So he's not getting better now and he can't see anybody which means that he can't help his own brain because obviously he needs people to come see him feel better to know that people are forgetting about him. The psychological failing yeah psychological healing so he can't get any of that because we can't go in and top of that. I just discovered a few days ago. That apparently there were some nurses in the hospital where he is that were positive to the current virus and the hospital did not tell anybody about that. And now they're Debts I looked up last night doing some research on Italy as four thousand health workers currently infected in Italy. Right now yeah. I heard that I heard that too. Apparently because they're afraid that if they officially declared that these people are infected. And they're going to take them off the work and if they take them up. The work in the neck in heaven of health were healthcare workers. Take care of situation. We're in this weird where you have to like. Pretend that they're well in order to save lives and that's pretty much what happened in this hospital and hope. They're able to do more good than they are to do. Damage just kind of mitigate that it's like a sort of trolley problem sort of thing it's like what are you just pretend that they're well or do you like put them in isolation it's it's it's basically like but that's giving us giving example of people who are not directly infected with it who are still being affected by it you know and I dare not think about the the the depression rate people who are alone suffering from depression People who have already lost their jobs because a lot of people have lost their jobs. I mean even I'm on. I'm on a weird sort of social sustenance at the moments as Gods my work I had a good contract and so I'm fortunate enough that now I can tap into some socials resources that are will be basically covering my ass for. I hope about two three months for example if it goes beyond three months. I'm not gonNA have a job either. That's a fact and so there's that people. I can't imagine people who like lost their job at the beginning of the month and that now have no money for food would do. I don't know what they're doing. I mean I can only imagine that they'll start scavenging for food. I'm you can't scavenged Snowbirds eaten the streets. You got the homeless people. For example I was reading homeless. People are are still on streets. They're not receiving any money. Because there's nobody to panhandle from you know and they can't even scavenge for food because The fast food restaurants are closed. There's there's there's no food in the back I suppose maybe in the back lots of supermarkets. They're still open. But we're going to go. And there are sharing these. That are providing food for the homeless. But they have to also respect the social distancing. So there's like these very very very long lines of people homeless we have to respect social distancing. And it's IT'S A it's a humanitarian disaster or a series of levels right. You don't even think about it if and when we we get out of this and I'm Gonna I'm GonNa definitely hope we got us. It's going to be interesting to look back at how the homeless population was affected by this and also the lower economic end of people in pressure the spans every country. Because I mean we're already seeing it here when I started to hit you know and and you start hearing about all these athletes getting tested positive right. There's there's quite a few. But the fact that they were getting these these very limited tests these athletes who are in peak health condition probably on the lower end of of risk for the most part. They're all having access to to the test and the test is as I understand. It is like the key component controlling this to knowing where it's coming from and where it's going and who hasn't who doesn't in our at least in this country the biggest holdup really is the is having tests available for people who invested all that. So I'm GONNA I can only assume it's partly because I'm because I'm jaded. I don't trust the government as it is is going to be to look back five years from now all the all the cards around the table and we see what what had really went down How how much economic position or social position allowed to get tested entreated versus those who didn't have it who were who were deemed expendable at the time. What's going on in La Right now? Is that what's happening there because they've got an enormous homeless both enormous and it was. It's so bad that over last year or so. We were already hearing about all these. You know strange diseases and stuff were reoccurring things that haven't been around for years so I can only and that compounded with you know drug use issues and things that are that have plagued the homeless. They're in all over anyway. That all just kind of compounds the issue here not to mention. There's that that thing in people's heads like other homeless Fuck Them. You know that kind of thing. Yeah but even if it's like they're homeless fuck them. It's like it's let let let's take it from the least human point of view for. Let's say that you do not think homeless people deserve anything you know. They're they're failures. That rejects. It's all their fault. You know there's a laws presented went through the bill away just rights Atlit. Let's take it from that point of view. It's imagine I'm that type of person. Okay even there. You still have to look at them like pigeons. If you've got so many sick pigeons eventually those sick pigeons are going to make you sick right right so it's not even it's not even. I mean even from that point of view. You still have to take care of the situation. Yeah you know what I mean. How they choose to take care of those is kind of what terrifies me. And you are are are not as as Conspiratorial as I am knowing we argued a law about that you know I think the opposite of in fact during that podcast. We were having with cloud I actually said. Sh actually said John. You're basically the opposite of conspiracy theorist you're like you believe the government is always doing the right thing like yeah that's been I'm pro. Government go president to a fault. Maybe we'll find out. Who's right at the end of this? It's one of those situations you clearly have to be halfway. You know you have to be a little bit of a conspiracy theory and trust a little bit the government that they're not is trying to fuck you and then you're kind of like it probably in the right region so yet most of the conspiracy that I'm that I'm hearing right now. Re- revolve around water government's really doing in for. Who are. They really worried about who they really taken care of. Which are are are less than tactical. I think I think that's I think we have at least in this country of a track record. You've got trump. And and not just you in England has Boris Johnson. For example and these people are like they seem to be much more interested in the interests of companies that in the interest of their population and in Italy. We're actually kind of lucky in that regard because we got we managed to get rid of for the time being Savini who was kind of like our trump or his Johnson figure populist guy and he's he's like undecided lights now he has no power. He's just like trying to trying to get into the middle of the of the conversation. You know he'll throw accusations now and then against the government and people say shut up the let him work. Ironically in Italy people to trust worthy of the government at the time and this is the kind of thing that can change at any moment. So obviously it's I mean at the time of our recording twenty six of March to the point and this is actually kind of funny that President Kunda who's the president of Italy has become a sex symbol ironic sex symbol in Italy. This is a this is a fact. You can find information on this. I don't know how it started. But basically because coattail appears every night on TV right talking to To the to the population and a lot of a lonely women are are getting are starting to have strange feelings. Apparently a lot of women are starting to see him attractive. And there's actually a meme website on facebook and instagram called Live Bombini Detroit's the contact with translates as the little girls of Giuseppe Which every day posts pictures of the president of Italy with like hearts around his head and he'll like the amine with him bringing little ESPRESSOS and say. Oh here's toffee for my little girls. It's Hilarious I mean I die laughing every morning it's B and their defense. We have a lot of white males in the southern parts of this country. That do the same thing for trump here but oh like I like it when he just sets his wig on his watch him on the news with a gun in one hand. They're digging the other so I can imagine that I mean there must be like one. Gay Republican. Who really gets the Hawks. I think there's much more than one dish much more than one. There's much more than one game or I'll just I like. I like his ideas watching in my underwear speaking of of that though and the idea of of what certain groups or political identities wanting to push towards You know the economic recovery before anything else. What were were in right now From wanting to you know by Easter I think was his projection. That where everything will be fine by. Easter had literally got people dying now and numbers are stacking up in cities or locking down. But we're GONNA have this all figured out here and you know less than a month I don't see that happen. I think it's dangerous. That's all that's that mentality. I think people do and I said this from the beginning. My my comedian buddy. Tom Simmons committed. I think The big contributing factor in this country. At least two deaths that are gonNA come is going to be a direct result of just ignorance. Maybe poor decision making Ignoring warning signs. Not Being as proactive as we should soon enough or for long enough. I think that's GONNA definitely add to the body count from that. We all had. I mean we had the same problem in Italy because I like the story. I was telling you we basically didn't and it wasn't just me and a lot of people just didn't believe it. You don't want to believe it because you know it's it's such a crazy situation that you it's never going to happen. Yeah you know so. It's it's the first time in our lives. You've ever gone through something like this and if you think about you say well you know previous generations have because they've gone through wars. They've gone through great depressions. They've gone through the Spanish flu. I mean these are things these are not you know unheard-of on the in human history just unheard of for us born in what the eighties late Seventies. Whatever you know. We've or nineties we. We've we've never experienced that we've always experienced prosperity. There's wars illnesses but it's always somewhere else you know like is a war in Syria. There's a war over there. There's a thing and illness in Africa but there's never anything actually in your home so I think we kind of have that perception that at the beginning it was like. Oh it's in China but it's never gonNA arrive here in any way. The Chinese are dirty rats. The dogs bats. That's why they get it or we don't eat bats. We're not gonNA get it then. Italy gets it and I think the other countries are like well. The Italians are idiots. You know their governments always a mess you know. They're always kissing each other they like. Don't ship eat They're always a we have a better system over here in America and England. So we're not gonna get it and then you get it and then you don't know really know what else to do on nobody else to blame it on you know and I kinda ember re looking at the BBC. The before it hit you know and the there was like this. I think it was like a Norwegian Epidemiologist you know. And he's like very very very very serious. No sense of humor very very logical. And he's like Oh yes of course the UK is going to be hit very bad just like Italy and the and the The journalist is like what do you mean like trust like? It's that's not possible is yes. This is a virus at how viruses act by do not discriminate in any issues like shock. You couldn't believe that we need like talion. We're not Italian again. Hoods wittily and he's just like oh no. This is a virus. It just works this way. You know. It's a law physics. You don't hit you in the same way that it's it's like just the the rays of the sun or the way that the waves hits the coastline. You know. It's not something that you can stop with your politics or your race and that was that So I think there was that kind of ideology and actually I'm I'm kind of worried more for England than the United States now because I have a lot of friends obviously inning in England and hearing their stories and I have friends who works for Mastercard and he says well fortunately we worked for a company that smart and basically started the quarantine many weeks before the government officially started the quarantine because they realized that the government was made up of idiots. And to this moment I think that Boris Johnson has only advised people to stay home. Obliged anybody to stay home and I may be wrong on this because it's changing every moment but I think what he basically said is like. It's a better idea that you stay home. Which effectively means that people have to go to work because their companies tell them. There's no reason for you to stay home. Because there's no law against and so I've seen pictures of packed trains in London and that is the worst thing you can have in time. You know because it's all going to come back to you in two weeks because remember it's like an incubation period of fourteen days on average that the again that that that Kinda pushes towards my you know my conspiratorial thinking in the fact that they're just putting dollars above humanity in that in that case I mean yeah no but I. I don't even think that's conspiratorial. I mean I think that's a fact right. Depending on what ideology you're talking to at the time I mean I I agree with you whole holy. Maybe I don't agree when it comes to like all part political parties or anything like that but when when I say that a lot of politicians seem to like WANNA continue with I like when you know when you get sick and you have a job right normal day you get sick and there's always those two three days that you're like well look. I'm still go to work even though I'm not feeling well because it will pass and then at some point you say no I feel really bad. I have to stay home. You know an so. That's from the point of view of one individual. I think that that is kind of like what's happening on a global scale. That were you know at the beginning. You're like in those first three days. Were like well we can still pull through. And we don't have to lose any money until the moment in which you realize. No I'm really. I'm really bad off. I need to go to sleep and I need to take a week off. I can't go back to work yet. You know and then you realize it and then you put yourself in the bed and then you relaxed which is kind of like why I feel a bit more comfortable being in Italy at this time even though I'm the center of everything because in a way we've put ourselves to bed you know we're just like we're weathering threw it at the time. We're not in that moment. Like is it GonNa hit us is not going to hit his. Should we be going out? Should be going to work with the government. Say Right now the government says stay home you know if you can work from home work from home and if you can't then just jack off you know either way one with a better job drinking. I mean it's going to happen. It's going to happen in the states and England so at some point. Somebody's going to realize that. No we can't your assistant. I mean the world has to switch off for like a month or two months or whatever it will take and I think one of the if I'm GonNa look at silver linings things I think that might at least for the you know speaking mostly from this country because this is really linked perspective. I know is is. I appreciate my be a bad word but when you use it I appreciate that now. This population is experiencing a little bit of the lack of control. The unknowing not knowing where we're going that a lot of the less lesser as an economic or secure strong countries. Whatever you want to categorize that on a regular basis you know yeah Third World countries or what have you. We've now got that insecurity here within our borders that in my lifetime we've never had with the exception of you know like nine eleven things like that. There was a brief window there. But this is a a countrywide thing for us now and I'm that one of the the the byproducts positive by products at least now a change of perspective of of where we are in humanity is in. There's a togetherness within this tragedy within this event within this virus that may we didn't appreciate before overall you give them saying like I know exactly what you're saying I mean that's like the big contradiction. The United States is that the United States is effectively. Never live to a war on its territory since the nineteen th century. This is the real I mean. The United States has taken part in wars. Lots of them but they never actually had a war in their territory. And I think that that forms your perception of reality I mean Europe his head wars in their territory and you can go to little villages and still see bullet holes from the Second World War you know and in the United States it overwhelming unexploded ordinances. And he's still find them. Yeah getting just like I mean. There's there's stories every word like just just near where I live and this is the fact that Cellini was hanged nearby where I live. There's also like There's a little house which is known to have once been in a school full children that a bomb fell on and killed everybody. And so but you pass in front of that house and you feel it show. You're like you know as I go. There is little children in this orphanage. Whatever the hell it was they all died when I think probably an allied bomb to be honest not even not even a German bomb fell on them. So you know it's Philip. These stories and the United States ever really had the Christ. I guess they kind of had with the Great Depression. And then of course you have your own internal conflicts you know the the economic crisis and of course nine eleven was a bit of a window like you said correctly but you never really lived and this is effectively a war. I mean a lot of people have pointed out that we're in war. We're in wartime conditions. Both in staying indoors in austerity and that would probably increase in the next few weeks and also In decision making you know like people will come to a hospital and they ended. Doctors have to decide. I only have one bed and I have five people. Who's most likely to survive? These are terrible decisions that you should never have to make but that you do make more time and I do find it. Ironic that a governments and this goes back to your government distrust which I am distrustful of governments as well. I mean I'm just you know bit more. It more radical chic to go back in my being distrustful of government but governments have always invested in the military complex and have always taken away from the medical services because the ideas that yes there could be award anytime but as for medical can take away from. That can take away from you know. The hospitals take away from the schools. But ironically the next war that we had to fight needed medical resources. And not guns. In that's GonNa that's GonNa Change things a lot. I think when this is over because I don't think any politician will ever ever again be able to run on taking away medical services for the people any politician from this time on any country. United States England's Europe. Whatever if they say we're going to give medical services to everybody regardless of their income or anything. That person will win you know. So it's it's GonNa Change the division of politics in certain in a certain way. I hope for the better because one of the positive things of war and there are positive things. Actually WE'RE NOT. Is that usually Society comes out changed and technology always makes great leaps after a war because of war. We have atomic power because of war. We have the Internet and things like that and because of where research and so if this is a word that means that the medical complex will have enormously after it's over and that's a positive thing but I we have to look through. It does make me appreciate the how terrifying biological wars could be sorry the MSCI appreciate how terrifying biological wars like. That is that this was an intentional thing we did. This is that it is right now. So the whole the whole conspiracy or I don't know if it's conspiracy the whole theory about It perhaps being man made and everything I liked to collect data before. I say that anything actually is arisen but I mean like a before before we started recording. I was saying that Yesterday there was this social media moment here in Italy where they released a video that had been recorded on like a new show five years ago and in that video. They said There's these Chinese scientists and they're working on Cobra virus or corona virus Bats in a secret laboratory in China and some researchers think. It's dangerous because it could crossover demand and create a virus and this thing started making the rounds and everybody was like. Oh this is proof. This is proof that it was made in a laboratory and Sabina leader League in fact immediately posted on his page so all his followers were immediately re posting it and he was saying to the government. You need to contact China. You tell China that they need to respond to what they have done. Etcetera Etcetera today. Things have calmed down. A lot of people come out saying no that was well known that China was doing this research. And we've already done studies into the research Studied the virus and we know viruses not been manmade. Because there's an imprint. That comes from the virus in which you can see if it is created a nature of its created by man and I had heard people say things like this In in the last few weeks I think there's a guy on Joe Rogan who say something like that simply and but the question is I mean the reality is. We don't know I mean I honestly don't know I don't know if it was made in a laboratory or link the possibilities of it's just having crossed over from an animal or quite high. I also think that if you are making things in a laboratory they might escape. I'm so but the hell do. I know I mean I. I really don't know anything. I am aware that I will argument or or thing. That people a spiracy CIDER suggesting That it maybe it's not manmade but it's it's man controlled. It was something that's it's men controlled. Yeah right were. It was intentionally let off. It may not be Sunday Craig but they knew them results. I knew what it would cause they knew what it would do. in well it's released or inflicted on a population in that context. It wouldn't have made it up one. I love stories. I love stories. I love conspiracy theories because I love stories buying them. I love legend if I if I and I I consider myself a bit of a Storyteller. Every comedian is in a way you tell stories on on on the stage if I wanted to create a story with this I would in fact say that it is. I would say that. It's genetically programmed to hit the Caucasian. And that would explain. White's killed more Italian and Spanish than it has Chinese. Burg's up at this is if I were a conspiracy. I'm not okay I'm like I'm inventing my story now and if I wanted to believe that story I could easily believe that story. You know I could easily believe that. It was a virus that China was creating for potential war. That was take place in ten years time. Got Out of control in that wits. Propagating and And everything but if I start believing that story if I start promoting that story I'm putting the world in a difficult situation because that means that we now have to go to war with China because that would be an attack on our sovereignty. Honestly I don't really want a war with China. I saw you know it's better for me not to believe that. Just believe that it's comes bats and that sometimes this happens you know. And if there's irrefutable data that proves that it has been caused by the Chinese. The Chinese Chinese government is going to have to respond to that. But if I do not have that irrefutable proof that I'm not gonNA start throwing accusations which could have consequences. That are very serious until I have enough proof that those accusations need to be made. I don't know if it makes sense what I'm saying. No I get what you're saying it to me everything. I try to keep as many things on the table as possible. Just because how we looking at things right now is not gonNA be how we're looking at them ten years from now bring so much we're gonNA have so much more history to look back on As far as to kind of wrap up the conspiracy talk of the part that Kinda got me least ask more questions was when China themselves and I think it was. Iran also both suggested that the US was involved in okay. So I'm like Liar. They if that's if this is you know nothing man made or whatever. Why do they think that? Is that a Some kind of way to Deflect blame on themselves or something they did or. Did we really do that? And if so what would be the car? Why would we do that? The unique timing of us you know. Just in the middle of this kind of this Trade war already as it is. Yeah it they all timed upright with with with Russia and Saudi Arabia doing their oil conflict. That was driving down oil prices around the planet it. There's a lot of control but again it could all be coincidental Dhabi time. I mean yeah well I mean the Iranian government is known for not being a virtual loving their own personal conspiracy. Goes you know I mean just just like we have conspiracy theories in the Western world. They have conspiracy theories eastern world in the Middle Eastern world. Often those conspiracy. Theories are flipped. You know it's not China but it's the West created it so I mean I'm sure that there's all kinds and I'm sure undoubtedly like you say. In ten years time people will still be talking about the conspiracy theory of the cockpit. I mean I know that you're for example. A big believer in the conspiracy theory of nine eleven. Absolutely you know and I can tell you this when nine eleven happens. I remember thinking the next day. There's going to be conspiracy theories about this you know and there were you know and so I have no doubt when a a world shaking events either a negative or positive so it could be negative like nine eleven or positive like going to the moon. You know there's always going to be. Shall we say a background story behind which you can believe or not believe you know? I've just more worried about the consequences of the conspiracy theories you know. 'cause obviously a conspiracy theory against China's seems to really tap into the whole narrative that trump pants and that you know and and I'm I'm very nervous I don't want people to be. I don't want example Chinese Americans to be assaulted in. I was just getting ready to say that and that's already happening. That's already know it is an and that goes to that that degree of ignorance that I'm so worried about is there. It's one thing to think and consider something and look at something but but then when you Put the ownership of that onto a race or a an identity. You know in a case like now Chinese people were because we're so so many of us are so dumb over here. Anybody who looks Asian is of course. Yeah exactly yeah right right right. I'm from India. No you're Chinese. Whatever so I am terrified about that too because because those people have are completely innocent. And they're they're they're the first people that are going to be affected stories. And that's what I'm worried about them. If it was created a laboratory and there's proof I would like that proved to be brought to life. I want people to respond to it. I want there to be a diplomatic response. I want to be but I don't want some poor Chinese kids to be assaulted Middle Street because there's the thought that maybe it was created in Chinese laboratory and that's what I'm really worried about. And they happens here. It happened here in Italy to the words to change. People were being attacked. You know even even before it even hit. They were already being attacked because as a human human flaws like we And I think a lot of it has to do with fear you know directing fear that's in the back of your head of not the unknowing knowing we'd need somebody to blame. We need somebody to put it on. Yeah you can't blame the virus you know viruses and visit you. Can't I can't blame it but if you have an enemy like for example ironically Last week because I was saying that there was a spike in the in the amounts of contagious debts. Hyun Italy a lot of people. Were blaming that on people who are going out to jog during the during the during because there was like the at one point to decrease that you went outside for jogging was okay as long as you get the distance and so you'd have people under balconies you know there's a whole balcony culture now if you see the balconies playing music. It's here in Italy. It's there in Spain as well and And if you went out. Jogging would have people on the balconies yelling at you that you were like a plague bearer and you were bringing the plague you know to innocent people who did such a point that. I had supposed to mean of running zombies from dawn of the dead the remake you know because this is the perception that we had joggers at this point and You know and and that was because they needed the enemy. The enemy became the people go jogging. You know now. The enemy can become Chinese American or the Chinese Italian. You know whatever and You know it's like sometimes you have to accept that there is an enemy sometimes. It's just shit happens and you gotta just solve it. One day ignorance will be the enemy. Maybe exactly it's everything. Is there a position that majority of of either friends or just people talk with their about the degree of risk because everybody right now or is everybody on the same page here? We're still debating. Oh it's not that big of a deal that's a really big deal is. There's there's there's no debate anymore okay. So there's no debate any other there was I mean certainly before but no not at all. Just there's no doubt that we have to stay indoors and that we have to try to avoid the you know passing it around as much as possible. That's betsy was debates and other things. I mean there's debates on you know. How are we going to recover economically? What is the government doing for people who don't have food? You know what? What is the government doing for people who don't have any money? We're going to get any reimbursement. From the government's the answer is yes. Know How those are the debate that we're having but when it comes to infection rate there's no doubt and I think that's GonNa Happen everywhere you know. Winston's as a wonder why bodycount needs to be here within the United States before we have a consensus thought. That hey yeah. This is really dangerous. We need to do that. I don't know I'd say that. The debate kind of leveled out I mean disappeared. Petered out after a weekend so that would make me think that like in a week's time there probably won't even be much of a debate even states or in England. I hope I mean but I don't. I don't think there will be because I think what happens is is a strange sense of human. Is Survival Instinct? That seems to kick in and also good sense of community writings to kick in as well. I think you'll you'll be experiencing that in as well. I don't think it's specific to any one culture. I think it's a typical just of the human nature that at some point we kind of like just help out each other. You know and I think that I think that's key that kicked in about a week here and if they will kick in probably to weaken over in the states and England I mean I think I think we can get over this. I don't think it's it's GonNa be it's GonNa be tough afterwards because of the economic consequences and everything social differences and stuff and I don't know how long it's GonNa last but I think we can get over it. That's an angle that I don't think people who appreciated his the the after effect month from now two months from now six months from now a year from now the ripple effect of what this is GonNa do. I I don't even under I. I can't understand it because I don't know enough about you. Know the the workings of Finance and all that but I do know it's going to be a a a huge imprint. Much like like nine eleven was the economic residual effect of that in there but this is so much larger on a world scale. I I it just. It feels like everything is going to be brought. I mean just looking at my finances personally. I was finally getting somewhere financially where I could have some money set aside. I was saving and building up now all my money has been redirected into you know. I'm furloughed now. And and now using money to to you know we bought a supply of food to have and everything like that and get bills kind of you know where we at least caught up and everything. You've got everything under control I'm not. I'M NOT DUMBING Indiana Shave. Most people probably I mean I think you could save. It may be okay. It's thought that you all that you know economic all that work that you had to do to get that money but at least you had it when yet exactly you know. Ironically if you had been focusing only on your comedy career it'd be because I know a lot of people who actually lived off with comedy and emanate and anybody who doesn't know living off comedy is very weird thing you've ever surviving while doing comedy is kind of. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah me you bad at the best of times even if you have multiple TV credits and you're still eating Rama noodles. That's fairly absolutes. The reality of it's crazy. I mean the the reality is a comedian. Lives off comedy. Because the only thing he can do because he loves it so much or he has no other opportunity in the world. That's when you live off of company. I know Comedians who are a really in dire straits at the moment and Comedians and not just convenience also come authors. I mean I have a little bit of a network so I mean I know I speak rhythm daily. Anybody who's on the creative end. Who creates things that are consumed? Just for pleasure. You know the not necessities so to speak. I think anybody in those kind of backgrounds of that's was your source of income. Things are arguing greatly change for you. But you're lucky actually if you think about it because you focused a lot on the podcast and podcasting is is going to survive. Because it's you know it doesn't require direct contact and I think that that was the big difference between American comedy in European comedy when it hit is that European comedy didn't really never really went into the whole direction of podcasting introduce still lie. You know and there were a few comedians. That were kind to in podcast but I mean to be fair. The only people listening to them were other comedians. There was no general audience listening to them. So but while in America you have this whole culture. Podcasts kind of started ten years ago or seven years ago. Whatever exploded to the point where everybody had their podcast and now is a radical parts of comedy. So I think that Comedians can can take advantage of that in the stance to stay relevant. Stay alive while in Italy. They're kind of doing it now. But it's it's like they're catching up but yeah I mean I think the podcasting thing is going to weather the storm a little bit for for for the American comedians. Maybe the entertainment industry will will be different after this. Well what what's in demand versus. What's not my right. No I have no idea I mean all I know is that I think that. Now they were talking about releasing movies directly on my arms if that basically means if this is like the last nail in the coffin to physical cinemas and that's standing. Because I'm a big fan of movies you know I've got up. Forbidden Planet Poster Back. I love films you know and and stuff like that and I love going to the movies. I love the concept and the smell of popcorn in that hopeful WEDDIG UNIVERSE. And that's basically already dying out of this final nail in the coffin. How the hell do they can survive this the Milan? Yeah that's going to be a big change. I guess I mean speech. I can't even make predictions. I mean I was the idiot was going around. You know faking. This is all going to end. You know halfway through March that I can have my birthday party with all my friends again you know. So obviously what do I know? I really don't know Shit. I'm not going to pretend that I do. But I hope it doesn't kill stands up because I mean if it becomes a thing where it's like a series of continuous quarantines which go on one after the other that you can't really have live shows anymore that's GonNa be the death standup comedy it. Her as we know you know Comedians can provide you know they can move into other things. I. I'm making little sketches my house because my girlfriend filmmaker and stuff you know we we started we we we. We were filming one. This morning we released one last week. I mean you know you can find ways if you work in comedy you could find ways to survive it but can you direct people to buy I did. I made to one's an Italian. I was a parody of Escape from New York escaped from Lonzo. A great great great work. She did everything I just wrote it. She did a great job. But I'm thinking of releasing it in an English formats next few days anyway although GonNa try to do that. And then the last one was really proud was called luck. You store there and we basically manage to make a little short spaghetti western in our whole notion. Yeah Yeah in all lacy later I'll make sure sure all that stuff megalomania no I I I. There's also English subtitles. You can you can. It's it's stupid little okay. It's really really stupid but you know it's just the fact that we can make it in our house you know with with with zero budget. It makes me feel satisfied so I mean I think comedians can somehow find a way to get you know but stand up and you know this. I'm sure is the most pure essence of comedy it's like the pure core combine is no barrier. There's no foul sophistication. There's no cost you. Nothing it's just you and the fucking audience and you better make them laugh now right you know and that is something that I do. Not want booths right no matter what. I didn't really take time to think about that appreciate that. You said that it's like if we do go into these. These ripples of we gotta go back to the House now. Time to turn the lockdown. It's going to be so detrimental to that. Is You need that? I mean that that is stand up comedy. Is that on inside you girl guy on stage talking to a group of people. That's the way it works. You can try hard you can do. This live like we're recording this right now to do a show in that form but it's never won't even be close to what that that connection between obvious. We're we're being poetic about it. Why not with the fuck me? I love it so much. It's like an and you know that like standup is always better. In a certain way when it's the Mo the more intimate. It is the better if you ever went to see like a standup show in a in a big arena. A hand up. Yeah exactly because it doesn't win committee people exactly but when you ever went to see that one comedy show. Maybe if somebody you've never heard of you know but he was just like twenty of you and you're all huddled together and there. Was this one emulate clawing at the comedian leg of the best. You know that's the best you know and then you just use this this this back and forth with the audience. Maybe there's some guy who is too drunk and he was ruining show but somehow you manage the both drew. I mean that is the pure essence standup you know. And so the the closer you are the better. It is the farther you are the worse. Which is why I hope that. Have distinct doesn't kill that close. God maybe the comedian you dislike be like maybe available had like a little little personal bubbles like boy in a bubble actually never saw that movie that was John Travolta all kind of go through the world now in our own little bubble suits here. I never seen that. I should watch it when they should watch a good movie or no not at all. But I heard it's not at all the good movie that I must see it and some movies you'll watch because they're good. Us lots of. Because you have to John Travolta bubble that might be a peak into the future. We were going man. We're we're become a bubble society. We have literal safe spaces at that point. Do you have your safe-space on as a brand of bubble got the new safe-space bubble on the side of it. What happened to all the safe-space people they don't give a shit anymore. I guess I guess when things are going good you look for problems that don't exist right now. We've got a real problem. We can put you got a real problem. It's like what you said. Fuck you you know I. If I go to the supermarket I could die. They did have their bill with what you said is like I don't feel comfortable with a fucking virus ravaging my friends my front door okay. I don't feel comfortable because the world doesn't make me feel comfortable. Sorry you know God. We did have that brief moment though. And when well actually? I guess it's still going on now. When when trump referred to it as the As the Chinese Virus Shit. But it's funny though because here in American media there's there's a video floating around right now of before that became an issue of all these media outlets doing the exact same thing which I was with trump the fact that he had crossed out corona and rewritten Chinese. I don't know I don't know legitimate. Not just like saying what he said Chinese virus that he actually said. Oh no here. It says Corona. Let me just write from that out and write Chinese and let me put a little little man with the hat to you. GotTa Ankle after that just fixes thing. This is a little too. Pcp Sir we need to. We need to spice up a little bit. Can you make a wall reference? Can we wall out this virus? Can we somewhere but did you hear that Prince Charles got it now? I shouldn't say things that are mean that trump people everybody everybody's already said Okay and of course the big. The joke that went around Italy goes the fact that Kudo and a means crown into the League and so the joke is this is the only crown however have I mean it was the first joke that came out and everybody made. It knows that works. It does work. Yeah yeah the so far. He is the least sympathetic of all the people who have it. He's he holds the crown of being being Lee sympathetic for me. Not but it's it's it's significant that person who's like wealthy and six can can still get hit by lemass about this. Oh have they still not released the The illness of of the pope is that still being kept is the pope. Seek is the pope. Is Folks Secret? Hope ill is. I didn't know about this Pope News. I have a google alert. Set up for you. GotTa Google everything about. The pope is my favorite person. Yeah white smoke starts coming out of my computer when there's new okay. What happened with the Pope he? This was two weeks ago. I guess he had met with a bunch of people who were. That's what he does. He meets piano with people who were diagnosed or suffering with corona virus. And good on him that and then he got sick the next day. It's an it's still to this point last thing. I read or heard last couple of days. It's still. They're not releasing what he was sick of. Well I I dare say that. The Catholic church is very good at covering things up. They have a long experience but it comes to not talking about things right now. This is the least that they've done in that regard but I guess I I don't know I mean the pope For Pope if that means that he that the whole attic in Church would be infected right although all the Swiss guards. And the and the cardinals. I it's funny that I don't really give a shit just like you us out because the most anti clerical person you could ever meet like definitely brings a whole religion thing in the question when the pope well. He doesn't like you at all. Actually there was. There was a funny thing. This is a funny thing regarding religion in Italy. Is that what you have to understand? Italy's a relationship with religion that it's extremely Catholic country and it's also extremely anti-catholic country because like Italians by their nature. Nc authoritarian in a certain sense. So they they go to church and then they say fuck you God at the same time and sometimes this is so intertwined in their culture that the the hate of the church and the respect of the church go hand in hand so what happened is At one point there was a release that said that the the the Madonna herself. She's not Donna. Donna Donna was going to be Was going to be hanged. Hacked was GONNA be basically. It was going to be attached to a helicopter and they were going to a fly. The helicopter over every region of Italy in order to in order to bless Italy. You from the current virus and so obviously mean that was released was obviously whoever said that the Catholic church isn't doing anything to this situation. We're GONNA FLY MADONNA OVER EVERY REGION. And don't you dare say that we're not taking care of this situation in this series manner. The the only thing I would hope would come out of that would be that every other religion would feel obligated to compete with that. And they're they're whether they're images with the exception of of the Muslim religion because you can't have a muhammed. You can't have a muhammed because that would be where you put like or something something. He's all around the any would fight with each other too. So you have the helicopter with With the Madonna that attacks the helicopter with the Buddha that you have like Krishna flies in and then there's and then you have these like ally that would be a great movie. I would love to see a movie about like religious pilots even more I can imagine like a planes with which are piloted by the Messiahs of each religion. Oh Dog Right. Yeah and then it'd be like top gun sort of situation. I HAVE THE NEXT NEXT FILM PROJECT. I think he should go to Spanish people project. That's headed that you've already given me an idea. Thank you very well. God's ten percent that's all I asked. Let's let's wrap this up and talk about what you're dealing with on a personal level. You kind of mentioned it already. You've got your you've got your girlfriend there with you. Get somebody companionship. You've got somebody who can cook for you. That's that's really good How long have you been contained? What how long do you are right? Now what do you? What do you know? How long do you think you're GONNA be contained in this situation? What is your situation? What your limitations. Give me kind of it'd be live now. Point is this. I mean I can only leave the house to basically go shopping. You can. You can go shopping. You have to go to the nearest supermarket of the nearest food shop. And when you and you can only enter the supermarket like two at a time or something. So that means that you have these long lines outside. Everybody's socially distanced and so if you're GONNA go You really can't go shopping for like one thing so excuse me. Every time. I realized that I forgot something like I don't have anymore. Tomato sauce sauce. I'm thoughts I can't go back to the supermarket. You know I have to do one shopping. That has to be good enough for the whole week. And that's the only thing I can go out for in theory also for cigarettes but I the stocked up on loose tobacco. I roll them up because I I went to college so I have that. I have that experience in my in my backpack and so that's it basically says I can't sleep so I'm stuck here in the house. Would why do I try to create a routine? I get up in the morning. Take a shower. I Cook Breakfast. I don't train out to sleep in my work so remote I speak with other people You know have lunch the evening comes. I play a board game with my girlfriend than we watch a film and then we go to sleep. And that's the only thing you can do really is kind of like try to create a sort of routine. I try to respect the routine of the week because I think that keeps me sane so like on a Saturday. I'll sleep in you know in in a Friday. I'll wake up a little bit early if it's a weekday because at least then I I don't lose my mind forgetting which day it is what time it is and everything like that. You know. Last Saturday we decided to do the Lord of the Rings. Marathon extended version whole day. And you know that was cool because I was like that was like a a diversion. You know from from normality. Maybe this Saturday will do a back to the future marathon or something. I mean you do what you can I'm big NERD. So we've got role playing games. We play on lifting you know and just as everybody's playing online now dunton dragons and all those other games. I don't know how much you are into that world but that world is you know is actively promoting online activities. I haven't been playing video games strangely enough because I thought I'd be playing probably if I were alone. I'd be playing video games like crazy but maybe as I have as they say the Pussy. You know it's right situations. It's much better game so I don't. I don't really play video games that much but we'll see if change that's basically all it is. I mean it's really boring to the truth is like it's like somebody said. This is the most boring apocalypse that you could ever have. A real slow roll are changed more interesting with big explosions and zombies running shit right zoom in the movies. What about enforcement what? What to? What degree of enforcement are they Keeping you in your home. I don't know you know because I don't know I mean I know that the army's around and I know that the the police officers are out but I mean like I have gone out and I'll admit I've gone in a couple of cases. I walked a little farther than the nearest supermarket. Just to stretch my legs and I'd go to the next nearest supermarket because the muscle painters are getting hard. I'm not moving at all so you know it's like this do yoga. I'm not going to get much physical activity so and I would see police cars pass by but they just let me go like they. They wouldn't stop I. I think that probably when I was going out. The police officers were like well. Yeah we should being forcing this. But it's a pain in the ASS everybody. I'M NOT GONNA stop everybody now. I think the enforcement has become a bit more serious. And so it's kind of luck of the draw if you get the officer who doesn't give a shit or the officer who's taking it seriously But in theory the idea is that if you go out and you don't have a certificate that says that you have a valid reason for being outside which because you're going to the supermarket or because you're you're a going to assist an older person who is not so sufficient or because you're going to work but you are in essential worker and therefore you're allowed to go to work in that case You can receive a fine of up to four thousand euros. Keeps on going up and in theory you can even be put in jail. I don't know of anybody who has. But that's that's what the decree does say you mentioned military presence Zad something. That's not a no understanding of Italy as far as is not there's not was not a visible military presence before I know it was. It was actually was because When because of terrorism threats you would see a soldiers around town. I mean I remember. The first soldiers started pouring in I think three four years ago So if you went for example to the center of the city we're Duomo is the cathedral there would always be military trucks there because there were obviously constant terrorist threats. I mean yeah I mean it's it's it's not like you don't feel like you're in a police state. 'cause you're kind of used to four certainly seem seem opposite. Is it more so now though I don't know because they don't go out much in the truth so you look at your window or you don't see my my my Bro- my window looks into an inside? A garden. Courtyard albums is actually very nice. Because at least I don't have to see the city. I see the trees in the Green but obviously at this book with me disadvantage. Because I really don't know what it's like outside. I do know that the first time I went outside under this situation it was like a ghost town. I mean there was like this little fog in. Everybody was walking around with masks in total silence and they were everytime they would come towards you. They would just move out of the way to create social distance from you. And then at one point I heard like a ghostly cough come off from the distance in everybody looks at one direction right and and I just heard that and I ran away from it out of fear and then I came home and I had a panic attack. I couldn't take it is like I feel better when I'm inside now than ever because it's so fucking depressing outside right now and Actually if you WANNA see I think if I don't remember but my girlfriend was looking at it yesterday. There's a website where you can see cameras. You may know this already. You can see like city cameras. I don't know what it's called for Italy or yeah of every city so like if you wanna see like Dennis. There's a city Cameron. You can see the debate June venison you WANNA see. Rome is a city camera will show you the Coliseum if you WANNA see London and if you WanNa see any any I think from all around the world or at least Europe and you can actually see what's happening currently in this moment all of all of those cities so look that up because it's fascinating because you actually see like whole squares. That are empty. Weren't you know. And there's some maybe some soldiers is like a guy walk. I felt like there was one scene. I was walking with a guy walking down the Spanish steps in Rome and you know each was walking down the cops went up to him and then they were talking. I was making up voices because obviously I'm a comedian. Yeah exactly as bad of all this is is always liked to study. That's the right word for my intelligence level but I like to take time to appreciate the change in culture and society when things like this happen. Good or bad anything significant and I haven't worked for the last week. I took off with my paid time off time. But now I'm forced to furlough now anyway but at this past week. The only places I've been or grocery stores and Like a hardware store getting some some essential things that we may need or need and that's it but the week prior to that when you know we before last I was still working The job I do I work What's asset recovery basically recovering? Yeah I ice stalk you talking? Shut other nutrients dot we stuck each other's right? But I work a lot very late at night. You know two three four. Five o'clock in the morning and Some of the lower income areas of the twin cities. Minneapolis Saint Paul and Noticing the change in just the when when I call the late night culture. You know Lot of drug dealers and some of the areas. I'm at lot of prostitutes and some of the areas. I was at going into like a convenience stores late at night. Things like that. But there's a there was this. I was sensing a near tangible. Change of energy as this was day to day unfolding. You know and you could feel it was an unspoken unsaid type thing but you could just feel like looking at other people's eyes you could see a little fear unease unrest and I could tell every time I walk into someplace where they don't know me I don't know them were sizing each other up right now. This guy sick is that guy sick. Yeah I to worry about him how they put the change in your hands when you pay for something. Oh Yeah you you know saying that they try to hurry up and beat it out of there without touching you in. It can feel a change in. Yeah it's very weird out and worried about the prostitutes to because I was driving down the road getting hard to make a dollar right now. If you're know I was reading Dave like a lawsuit here. Milan who was arrested. Three or four times. She kept on saying. I'm trying to make a living. You know that that's what I'm doing is like this is my way of making a living. I need ironic. They're the ones who need the social contact more than anything and we. Are they going to become cam? Girls all of a sudden. What are you going to you know? It's no no it's it's it's bad. I mean I think we don't think enough about those people you know. We don't think about you know the the most disadvantaged because you had mentioned before we start recording was one of the impacts. Are you actually said you had a friend? Who's an alcoholic? Oh yeah he's in the states but yes they okay so you yeah I have a friend. Who's an alcoholic because because here in Italy that really much of an issue because you can buy booze in supermarkets any type? We don't have the the liquor store concept okay but in the states you have the liquor store and. I think he was saying that they were afraid. They were going to close down liquor stores grant right and he's and he said they do than. I'm actually an alcoholic in the sense I needed to survive in. I've dying if I can't get by if I can't get my regular chips that lend me thinking about people who suffer from like addictions now. I suffer from a minor addiction. Which is tobacco smoke? Okay but to be fair. If I stopped smoking be grumpy for a while. Now get over it but if you say something heroin addiction or alcohol addiction or something. Really really serious. What are you going to do in that situation? Because I I'm sure the supply line is dried up at this point. I mean people see me here here in Italy. Unfortunately you know. Marijuana is not legal and already. That's right up you know so. I can only imagine in the case of harder drugs. You know what the situation was be like. You know heroin addicts. What's happening to the mercury going? Is this thing for them or are they going to get over it? If you're going to get over the addiction or is going to be bad things they don't have access to. I mean what kind of social structures are being put in place to take care of these people. I know that the homeless have been pretty much left to themselves. You know and the homeless live off of city presence. They live off of people. Giving the money as a panhandler and they live off people you know throwing away food and independence. Those people are no longer there than these homeless. People are going to be effectively suffering and going hungry. And if the only place they can go to is a soup kitchen but in the soup kitchen to social distancing so they can't allow as many people in there as they would like. That's going to be a serious problem for them. And that's going to be a prominent in Los Angeles for for example but in all American cities have homeless population So homeless the The drug addicted the addicted and and what about lowly people? What about people who live alone you know I? I'm in context of phone concept. Some people who have nobody at their house. They didn't have a cat. You know and these people are going insane. What about people who Who are with a partner but do not have a good relationship with that partner. 'cause I'm lucky because I'm with a person that I'm crazy I'm really happy with this person. She's happy what if I'm like in a relationship is going on for ten years and maybe I'll be honest. I know somebody who was having an affair for this. I'm wondering about that person. Was that person going to do now. This person can't see the person they were having the affair with John Fox. This person must be going crazy and so I can imagine you. Know Domestic Violence What about depression talk about that? 'cause the added any kind of stressor who you know to to a domestic abuser or something like that. They tend to take it out of the people around him now. You're forced to be locked into these last one. I hadn't considered. Yeah I didn't think about amid interest interested again a bad word but what happens to the suicide rate over the? I'm in thinking about that myself. In fact I'm wondering why we haven't started this discussion yet because it's clear that there's going to be a peek. A rise in suicide. I mean come on if I were alone. Okay fuck even be thinking about it a little bit run. Let's be honest here. I be alone. You know that's what I'm saying. I try to keep a routine I tried to. You know have little things that break routine. I try to eat regular meals. I try to take care of myself to exercise. But it's very easy to slip and to stop doing that. Especially if it goes on and on and on and politicians tell you look. We're going to have to do another three weeks but I was about to leave the house. It's hard staying indoors. The only advantage I have is. I've I've done seven months in a county jail before and its way ores this way worse. Time when you're in because you don't have some of the the freedoms of technology and access and I definitely didn't have my girlfriend with me. Oh Gosh you sure well. I said girlfriend girlfriend with me. There's a different so but yeah I I be locked into a room now. I guess I guess you're right. Although at least they would. I suppose they would let you go out for some air. Kinda point of the day right for a little while. We can't even do that. Yeah you guys can't even just do like a walk around the block thing. Oh no now no before they did. Allow it now. I'm not really sure I think the the only exception at this point is like if you have a dog you can go out with the dog but only around your block so easily get a dog. Yeah right got a cat my cat. She's sleeping in a bag right now we are. We are going to be allowed at least as the Minnesota one is that we're going to be allowed to do exercise time within our general area and I don't know what the parameters are of that but what have you Week we had the we had that that we were allowed to then at one point they had to close down the parks because people are having parties there as So I don't know how I mean. How how long it's GonNa last glad? That's not just an ignorant thing happening here. Nah But spring breakers down and Florida's. I fucked go down here. And how we we were lucky that it wasn't warm weather yet because I think what you had is like it like in Florida. I saw there were full of people. That's the warm weather hit and in Italy was still a little bit cold so just before that how the nude beaches avenue opened up there yet. So you yeah I can imagine that if it had been during the summer everybody would have been beaching. We'd probably have a higher infection rate than we have now been higher. Well what's wrap this up Do you have any any thoughts that you can be what you want people to to take from this experience that we're all sharing or delight What you're dealing with right now. What you might thought is Is You know look towards Italy because I really do believe that at least two weeks ahead so if you wanna see the direction it's GonNa go win in your hometown. Just look towards. What's happening in Italy? You don't think that it's GonNa be that much difference you know and so that you can have an idea of how to move you know if you see that. Let's say better case in our. If you see things are getting better in Italy then that could be a ray of hope for you. It's going to get better for yourself as well. If you see that things are getting you know like the death spiking than you can say. Okay look I can reasonably assume that in two weeks it'd be a spike index and then if the deaths go down and I can reasonably assume that another two weeks. That's we'll go down that that that's the only thing I think is that You know it's what we should have probably done here in Italy looking at China. But we didn't do not think that you're better or different. I mean we're all pretty much the same role human being so we all pretty much act in the same way in governments. You know who more or less they pretty much are going to be acting in the similar manner you saw because I mean okay. You've got trump states that you also have local governments that are basically the practically enacting the the quarantines in the close down your your local. Minnesotan government is the one who is effectively working on the lockout. I suppose right right right so I mean that that that's the only thing I just end and try to you know. Try to try to keep yourself sane during when during the closed out you know. Just it's it's hard because those moments where you let you gonNA break down and people next to you're gonNA break down so you know. Try to be supportive of the people next to you when they break down and you know try to get some support from them when you break down you know. Call a friend who might be alone is I think is important things like everybody should like shoes. One friend that they know is loan and keep in touch with them throughout the Corentin throughout the closed down. And if everybody does that. I think we can all kind of help each other out. And that's pretty much. It's really just a lot of waiting. You know it's really tedious. To be fair it is boring. It's boring Armageddon. It's GONNA be interesting. Hell no please out definitely would want to check back in with you if if asked if there's a drastic change so we might have to do this again man but I I appreciate you taking the time man and and wish you your girlfriend your whole country. I mean the very best I wish about Joey. You know best luck for all of Minnesota and also the United States and everybody anybody who might be listening you know. I wish you the best of luck. Just stay safe as they say. The don't don't play any crazy risks. Because you know it's risky and don't forget also I mean you. It's not just a risk for yourself if you get infected and you pass it onto somebody maybe has health condition. You're basically maybe yourself only had a small sickness. That person might die. We take care of it for yourself for the whole community and then fuck everything stumbled on. There was probably the best message right now is just appreciate how interconnected we all are good and bad for all humans in this best baseline right now. and

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Campus Culpability: Who Should Keep Colleges Safe?

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Campus Culpability: Who Should Keep Colleges Safe?

"This is one eight. I'm Todd Willik in Washington on a night in two thousand fifteen during a big party weekend at Boston University to students from another school. MIT entered A. B. U. Student Dorm at some point while they were in the building one of them went into the room of a female student and sexually assaulted her now. The dorm has a security desk. It has security guards and it also has rules but despite all that the male. MIT student was still able to assault called the B. U. Woman. So she sued Boston University. The victim said had a responsibility to take measures to protect her from the assault and it failed failed. Will this case and others like it have opened up a new dilemma on campuses. All across America. How much responsibility do universities have to to protect students from harm? After all the vast majority of college students are young adults it also has parents questioning how they can be sure that their children adults yes but still growing up are in a safe environment when they're at school. Boston University declined to join us for this discussion as this is an ongoing case but we heard from a lot of you. Here's Katrina in Tennessee. I was at MT issue in the late. Eighties early nineties. I I was slashed and followed by A gentleman while August running on the campus and when I called campus police I was scolded for being at the track by myself. That was my experience with Campus Security Twenty thirty years ago so I hope it's improved. Has it improved. We're going to get into that joining now from WBZ which is owned by Boston. University is Boston Globe continue contributor number CON number. Welcome Hi thank you for. Having me is currently a student at Byu and by the way a former intern here at one eight okay. So it's great to have you number. It's great to be here. We'll tell us about what happened at Boston. University that's drawn so much attention to the colleges campus security policies. What exactly is this lawsuit all about so? This lawsuit stems from the assault of abuse student on campus as you mentioned in October of two thousand fifteen and and she lived in Stevie too. which is this high rise apartment style dormitory here? At Boston University On that night two men from mit left their host after being checked into the dorm as guests officially And according to court documents the two of them walked through the residential floors with no cameras And opened unlocked doors. They entered at least eleven rooms on several different floors of the dormitory and then at around two forty five. Am One of those men entered the apartment and then the room of A. B. U. Junior and sexually assaulted her and now that student Jane Doe is Suing Boston University and saying that they did not keep her safe and that they gave her a false sense of security. Tell me a little bit more about the substance of her complaint. What exactly she accusing the college of failing to do so so? It is one breach of contract claim in one negligence claim which essentially means and the negligence claims against individual administrators. So she's suing the schools a hole and then individual top administrators basically saying that. They gave her a false sense of security and that they didn't enforce security policies. That could have kept her safe such as automatically locking door locks and the guest policy and what his Boston University said Boston University has been wall wall in their motions. To dismiss the case as a whole has basically been saying is not our responsibility to keep you safe An exact quote from them is that the university made no definite or certain and promised to keep students safe and Jane Doe was given the tools to ensure her safety an elected not to use them given the tools to assure her safety. What did they mean a door? Lock doc she was in the room. She could've locked the door but the door was open basically. That is her argue. That is there okay. So the the door had a lock on it you chose not to. We used the lock. Therefore don't hold us responsible even individual bedroom. Yeah of her. Even though this guy shouldn't have been in the building in the first place and ultimately it was her roommate. who left the sweet door unlocked? She shared an apartment style sweet But they're still saying you should've locked your bedroom door. How is the national conversation in affecting? What's going on there in Boston? I mean I think it definitely does have a huge impact where you've seen a trend. Recently in the past couple of years a years of a lot of these colleges kind of switching that responsibility and so we're trying to see. Is that going to be new. Legal Standard There's a huge swell support from the colleges themselves nationally about how this is not they're not parents and local parenthesis over and it sure they don't they don't want to be. The ones held responsible went back. Things has happened. I guess that makes that's unsurprising all say that But when you talk about all of this title nine regulation that we've been having recently. I mean it does put it in interesting light. We are all talking about how this is a huge problem. We certainly and we certainly are GonNa talk about that. Look has campus security on campus at Boston University demonstrably demonstrably changed. I I get the the university is in court saying we're not legally responsible but they might also turn around and say We better make sure this doesn't happen So when I was reporting on this the school declined to comment to me as well Yesterday I noticed an article had been posted to the schools website right from the police department explaining ways to keep safe on campus and emphasizing. The you should lock your doors but as far as I know there has been no official response. I haven't seen any significant changes now. We're hearing from lots of listeners. Already we're getting great deal of interest in this story and in other cases like it on campuses this is across the country. We got this comment from West. You said an unescorted guest shouldn't be a thing in a college dormitory. Shame on Boston. University city A pretty simple point of view number but is it as simple as that to a Lotta people so the complication with the guest policy is. It's actually one of the big arguments. That's that's happening right now. In this case and when it goes to trial it will be a big point of contention. Is the school's official guests policy is that you do have to be accompanying your guest at all all times but the argument here is obviously in this specific case these two people were unaccompanied So at what point is it the schools are make sure that's being enforced. Jane DOE is saying that it is absolutely their responsibility to ensure that those rules are followed. Complicated I mean there may there. There certainly appears here's from my distance to have been a failure for these two unaccompanied people to be in the dorm late at night Unescorted against policy see in the first place and then the university turns around and says that notwithstanding. You could've locked your door like any person in any house on any street in America. Your door has a lock. Use It That is essentially what they're saying. Yeah and and a key in a complicated debate. We got this from bridget on facebook. My son's dorm room locks behind you. You can't get out without. You can get out without a key but you can't get in without a key pretty simple fix so. That's the other huge argument. That's happening in this case. Is the argument over the door locks so stupid too. Because it's it's an apartment style dorm I'm in a lot of the case. Deposition school officials were talking about how it's supposed to be more about choice and adult choices and so the doors in stupid to do not automatically lock doc and some doors on campus. Do in some of the larger residents. I mean we've mentioned so. Many listeners have simple fixes and we keep mentioning them but wouldn't a school turn around and say we'll we'll find the next time we refit. This dorm automatic locks no more arguments maybe but the legal arguments. There are a little complicated so if they were to what do that it might change things legally as well but that is a huge facet of the case. 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The podcast where we go back in time to understand the present. Welcome back to one A.. I'm todd's Wilk. Were talking about the role of college. Campuses Insecurity in keeping college students safe when they're at school school whose responsibility is it. We're GONNA add two more voices to this conversation now. John Vincent is the President of the International Association of Campus Law enforcement forcement administrators John. Welcome to one A.. Thank you very much for having me great to have you and Jeffrey Bieler is here. He's apartment he's a partner at the Massachusetts law firm arm of Highland Bieler Min gays and Heinemann. Jeffrey welcome to you. Thank you for having me. Well John From the National Association International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators. What's your perspective on? How much responsibility on campus has for an adult student safety and even who's to blame aim when safeties breached again Thank you very much for the question. First off I'd like to offer condolences to the family and friends of the victim. The sexual assault out into that Campus community that was affected We know these crimes have a chilling effect on the commute. Large in my heart goes out to the student identified as Jane Doe but when we think about the responsibility as a whole The goal is to ensure that these campus police and public safety agencies that are mostly full service agencies ensure that they have trial highly trained personnel in Crime Prevention Response Response Investigative Strategies as well as community policing strategy soul. The goal is to work with the various members of the campus community be in a collaborative collaborative way to ensure that safe environment for all but the bottom line when your officers and the people in your line of work are patrolling and coming up with security policies. I know they WANNA keep everybody safe. Any decent human would wanna do that but the bottom line if something goes wrong it's your responsibility. It's the Dean's responsibility or it's the students again when we think about responsibility aunts ability of one of the things that we don't want to do is blame a student's four becoming a victim of a crime often times when we think about crimes in general in a row. We'd like to think about if something happens. How can we as a university or college community work to assess if there are failures ears and a process and more importantly are there things that we can do to improve those processes but again it's a collaborative approach in terms of working gene with the public safety department the dean of students and any other constituents on campus to assess or evaluate where those failures occurred there? More importantly come up with a strategy to improve up on a failure and very important to say. I think you raised an important point when we talk about. Who's responsible after an assault in the legal sense dance? None of this is intended to imply that the victim has any responsibility for the assault. Were talking about Whether the university itself Alf can be legally held responsible for the security breach and I wanna make that very very clear What about campuses across the country John? Is there any one. One Standard for campus security or is it more of a mosaic Patchwork. Just as every school different. Yes every student's different but when we think about our our goal is to specialize in advancing and articulating best practices Considering campus public safety profession as a whole so when we think about the work that we do our goal is to sort of advocate. What are some of those best practices out there and then more importantly whether or not those individual campuses can adopt them to meet the needs of their respective campus or college community? Do you find it. Schools listen when your organization comes with with Best Practices. Because I'm getting guests. They're not cheap. Yes I believe that overawe the most of our if not all of our campus public safety agencies are highly trained leaned and their number one goal. Our number one goal is to make sure we have a safe environment for outstanding academic learning. Well Geoffrey Bieler. I'm glad you're here you you were an attorney in a case win versus. Mit in two thousand eighteen. That raised similar questions about the role of college in protecting students. What was win versus Mit all about when versus MIT was about the second leading cause of death of college student across the country Students suicide which takes the lives of between eleven hundred and thirteen hundred fifty students a year. The case was about the responsibility of Colleges and universities to prevent student suicides when they have noticed that a student is at risk of self harm and what did the court ultimately decide. The court ultimately decided When a student is known to have previously attempted suicide recently or shortly before matriculation or is talking about committing suicide and has a plan That the school then must meet. Its duty of CARE air. And then it laid out essentially what would be expected in connection with that duty of care. The first thing that the courtly now was if the school has suicide prevention protocols and policies in place they must be employed at that point in time secondarily if the school does not have have Those policies and practices in place They're expected to put the students in contact with appropriate Mental health support. And lastly I would suggest pretty significantly. The court said that if the students are unwilling to comply with those terms the schools are required to reach out to emergency contact so which are frequently of course the parents and one of the biggest complaints that I have had in the number of cases Jason. I've brought involving student suicides. Is that the first time. The parents became aware that their student was having problems was when they get the phone call to tell them that their student was dead and What one said is that is not going to be acceptable anymore in Massachusetts now? Let's get practical John on your members patrol these campuses and they care a lot about security I don't expect you to argue Loco parentis here on the air But what's that's the attitude among administrators and security experts who patrol these campuses. Is it that we have and I know it's collaborative. I know you want to say that but is is it that we have a responsibility to protect students or is it. The alternate is. Jeffrey describes that Were bystanders essentially and this is upon that I don't owned in your nineteen and urine adult and I'll do my best but ultimately your responsibility very good question the the goal when we talk about again the campus public safety. We do everything we can to ensure the safety all for example Many virk universities have safety APP. So we do extensive community outreach. We offer a self defense training and other type of Intensive intensive community engagement and or crime prevention training for our students the fact of the matter. Is We try to treat them as adults as we try to ensure that they understand what resources they have at their disposal when they come to our campus communities about but our goal when we think about overall safety is to ensure that they have all the resources at their disposal to be able to respond and or address any concerns that may arise but more importantly the capless public safety departments are there to help and guide them as well. Okay well one group. That has a huge stake in his conversation. Of course is parents and we heard from a lot of you. Here's what some of you left in. Our INBOX is Kathleen. I am extremely satisfied with the University of new haven direction for safety on campus with our daughter attending there they orients the parents to all the options that the students have including an APP that allows the police to watch them walk between buildings. If it's late at night hi. This is a coup from Herndon Virginia. I do remember being in high school in Columbine happened and that was terrifying but it seemed like a one off but now that I'm out of college then I have a family. It directs my choices so much though that we've set our children to smaller private schools. My name is Debbie and I'm calling because because when my daughter was a freshman at Drexel University we were a bit concerned when we got a call that she and some friends had been at an off. Campus Party that they didn't belong at we were in touch with university and the university could not have been better at talking with us. And assuring us about the situation and what was going to be done now Jeffrey there was one parent of Drexel student. Who Yeah thought? They were a little surprised. The college calling to say your daughters at an off. Campus Party the The issue about this is reasonable care onto the circumstances. That is the standard that these college or these. These cases are trying to establish for colleges and universities and it is a flexible standard that of course is evaluated given particular facts. I don't know what particular titular facts that particular school had that prompted some administrator to make up or to make the decision to pick up the phone call that parent but I expect back. There is more behind the story than just the blue. There's a call saying your daughter's going outside of a party because then type of call. The my experience would be unusual without there being more of a back story there. We got this from Michael who says when I was in school I participated in work. Study that escorted students from building to building after dark. We even had a car taking off. Campus students to their homes. This was back in the nineties and Julian tweeted. Some people who aren't are not students but live near campus also feel threatened by the way schools do security at the University of Chicago. The police forces jurisdiction extends way beyond the boundaries of where students live and study in the Bronx Fordham. University is a fortress. We're going to talk a lot more about campus security. And who's responsible speaking with your. You're John Vincent. President of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators and Jeffrey Bieler. He's a lawyer he was counsel in the case of wind versus Mit. I'm todd look. You're listening to one A.. We'll support for this podcast and the following message come from the Walton Family Foundation on Dacian where opportunity takes root more information is available at Walton Family Foundation Dot Org. Here's some good news morning edition from. NPR Our news isn't just for morning people. Now you can hear every story from the start weekdays seven till three. Listen on your schedule just say Alexa. Play morning edition well back now to our conversation on safety on college campuses. What is the responsibility of colleges to keep students safe? The answers are not simple. When campus security varies drastically across the country? We heard from a lot of you about your experiences with campus safety. Hi My name is Megan. When I went to school in North Carolina I was in a very physically abusive relationship? There'd be nights when I was screaming so loud in my dorm room screaming for my life and campus security never came to check on me. One day I was able to escape from my dorm room. I ran outside and I pressed the blue light on campus and it took campus security thirty minutes to respond to my blue light. And I know that because I watched them respond to the blue light from back inside side by the time they got there. It was already too late. John Vincent I'm going to assume that Meghan story is horrific to you but I know you have best practices but with the rules different in every state and the rules different at every university. How can parents and students going to a campus? This had any reassurance that the college takes their security seriously campus public safety again we strive on students safety making that environment Safe for for all of them to live work and study and one of the ways in which we can continue to ensure that sort of comfort is again through the ongoing training that our team members or public safety officials gain in over the course of their careers the consistent community outreach engagement programs that we offer and more importantly providing ways in which we communicate with the parents for example I know many of our institutions have parent orientation as was mentioned and members from the Public Safety Police Department. Get it up and talk to the parents about what those services our and how we can work together to ensure that the students are safe when they're there but I think it just requires a all of us to continue to work not only with their students but our other campus partners to ensure that they really understand what all of those services services are but more importantly that the public safety department police departments as integrated into the fabric of the college and or university community in in a proactive way. Okay that's important outreach. To parents and accessibility for parents and students to be able to talk about security. We got this tweet from Brenda. WHO said back in the old days? When I was at college my criminology professor told us to be wary of universities? That did not do a good job of reporting violent crime. If if people aren't aware they lower their guard and as a college parent. I noticed that many colleges are not forthcoming John is that a concern. Can I can definitely see a motivation of college campus. If there's a crime problem on campus to not necessarily advertise it to parents and students because is it doesn't look good while I think our goal is to increase awareness saw again. I'm not sure there's any desire to keep crimes a a quiet or not. report our goals to make sure our students faculty and staff and parents are aware of what's happening so that they can exercise extra Roy. Do Care and caution a win. They're out and about on campus. So that's one of the things that we tried to do is make sure that our community member knows what's happening on around the campus From a crime standpoint so that they can be more prepared and Our crime prevention tips help them sort of respond to possible missile crimes. If they're faced with them Jeffrey. What has been your experience? I know you take cases like this to court but you've dealt with a lot of different universities before crime happens. A student is assaulted or a tragic suicide takes place. What's the variation you've seen in universities openness to be open and clear about about crime and about security on their campuses well starting off with the student suicide issue? They're not they're not required to report How many suicides they've had added with any given amount of time and they're quite opaque in connection with that information In order to get it. oftentimes you need to file a suit and go through subpoenas and and do some digging Various public record holders and try to piece the The story together yourself which is problematic because at least as is it really that concerned about students if the institution itself is not keeping track of those numbers they have no way of benchmarking himself against what should be the statistical norms to figure out whether they're doing a good or bad job at addressing those mental health risks that our students are facing ever increasing numbers and Jeffrey. Let's get back to the issue of sexual assault because it's a huge issue on campuses across the country. How effective? Maybe there's no one answer for this because we've already established. I wish that every college is different. And maybe that's part of the problem. But how effective our universities at communicating to women that they take their security garrity seriously and being clear to women about what they can do to help protect themselves and help protect their community. I I think that Women on college campuses get many mixed signals from their colleges and universities. And I don't think you need to go any further than the record in the B.. UK's Nice to establish that fact Like most colleges What happens within university? Housing is that efforts are made to create a community community. Feel they want people to be friendly. They want people to be safe. They WanNa have this feeling that they belong. They encourage open doors putting their names on doors. I became easy in that case for the two assailants to target As I understand it eleven. Eleven doors which housed females before they finally found a victim In Jane Doe case all of that is designed by the institutions in order to have this internal colonel healthy community which is great wonderful goal. But if you're going to have that and encourage people to leave doors unlocked encourage people of you know be friendly with their neighbors and so on you need to make sure that your perimeter security works all right. Let's make sure that we hear from the people with the most at stake in this entire debate students themselves. I know and I'm from Michigan but I go to College Columbia College and it's generally pretty safe there. We actually get emails emails like every night about people who are like sought somewhere or Rog. This is Rachel. I'm currently going to Amtrak and Spanish for dinner. cosmetology department and we don't have any security on campus. I would have loved to have some security on campus because recently there was a situation with the students students where she was threatening and yelling at other students and instructors. Hi My name is Vanessa. I'm in Salem Oregon to be honest. Honest as a person of color in and a woman of Color No. I don't feel safe on. Campus campus safety actually allows the state. Police do drilled on campus and as a person of color the police Leeson General Habit. Always been kind to us. Hi My name is Shannon. I'm a student at the University of Denver on campus. A lot of survivors of gender violence has felt blamed by campus safety. I think that this is a really important conversation to be had. Especially because campus safety isn't representative of the campuses they serve they have very few team officers and very few officers of color. Now John On. What's your response to Vanessa and Shannon Vanessa makes it very clear that as a woman of color on her campus relations have been poor? She does not feel protected or safe. Among the police that are tasked to protect her and Shannon makes it clear that when when it comes to sexual assault there is a history on her campus of not not being taken seriously again I clear we prioritize effective approaches to sexual assault investigations ends through various training programs. And we try to Focus on trauma informed sexual assault investigative strategies which sort of allows us to sort of really address. Some of those concerns that were expressed so our goal is to really ensure there's a victim centered approach and we take all of these sexual assault complaints very seriously and investigate them. Very thoroughly through are highly trained Team members our respective Departments tell me stop there and tell me what that means. Trauma centered response. That you mentioned what does that mean to the student. It really means that We listened listen to their complaints. We don't question whether or not There if there's any concern with complaints we want to make sure that we rely. Why on them to help us decide how we proceed so we WANNA make sure that when they are suffering from some type of allegation or complaint they come to us and we listen to them and we're responding to them and a victim centered way not in an accusatory way? There's another issue that I want to make sure we get to before we go. And it's guns on campus John There are campuses across the country states. That are moving to make it easier to carry on campus Desmond tweeted. You are responsible for your own safety but the gun free zone. Campus makes the university one hundred hundred percent responsible. Because you now cannot defend yourself. I guess in Desmond's case he can't carry on campus. What's the impact and how your people do their jobs and again every state has different So that we we have to be responsive to what the law requires if a particular hitter state allows for guns to be carried on campus Then the public safety department would train accordingly and ensured that the campus community understand what those predators are around Carrying a concealed weapons on around the campuses so again each state and our campus community is on a case by case basis. Jeffrey Christina tweeted this. To what extent is the student host who signed in the MIT student. The guest responsible for his or her guest actions I think they could have potential responsibility. But the lawyers who brought that particular case chose not to pursue that particular theory against that defendant but it is something that that could potentially be pursued Based on the fact at that student presumably had agreed by virtue of their attendance at the school to comply with the practices policies of the school. Take just thirty seconds. We gotta go but tell me where you think. This area of law is headed. I believe that it is headed to a place where colleges and universities cities across the country are going to go the same duty of reasonable care. Under the circumstances that virtually every other corporation and every other person owes in connection with with their daily activities or their operations to the extent they have historically had types of immunity from Being responsible as the rest of plus I think the time is now for that to end and that is the focus of many of these cases. That is Jeffrey Bieler partner. At the Massachusetts law firm of Highland Bieler Thurman Gays and Heineman and was counsel in the case of win versus Mit. Jeffrey thank you for making time. Thanks for your expertise. I thank you for having and John Vincent thanks to you. President of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me as well. Last word here goes to Steve who said most colleges require the students to live on campus therefore the college is responsible for safety. Steve has to say remember. You can follow all the behind the scenes photos of how we make this show on instagram. You can follow us at the one eight show. This conversation was produced by Haley blasingame and edited by Matthew Simonsen to learn and more about them and the rest of the team. visit the one eight dot. Org this program comes to you from W. Amu part of American University in Washington it's distributed by NPR mark. Until we meet again. 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Yeah you're failing like we're all moving in this family. I have my younger sister. She's fifteen okay taller than me. And then i had my mom and my dad and then Dogs tacos. Yeah okay. that's crazy. What did you think of big sky. When i moved there like. I don't know it was super small to what i'm used to. I want to huge public high school in california. And then you know. Suddenly there's fifteen kids in my grade which was crazy But i loved it. Like i i just think i. I was so drawn in like inspired by like nature. And i had never really had that before So it was like a super good transition for me psyched california so any place on pretty much. All throughout southern california San clemente dana point. Laguna just kinda like you know what really escaped the bubble but yeah the oc bubble so we just in the oc really was. What did you think. I kinda loved it. But i think it's the opposite of what you just said. I've always seen this. So when i went to the ocean and into that i was like gosh. I sure windows there to this emptiness also. Yeah that's great so now you're in bozeman right now. I'm in bozeman fulltime. yeah. I moved here on september. Thank you. I love it. I started taking classes and It's just been a really like nice place for you know being nineteen in like doing music and trying to gag even though we're in kobe But i moved to. I tried l. a. Little by myself like right when i turned eighteen and just found it to be really intimidating and i wasn't really inspired like i didn't have any nature around me and it was a lot harder because it's just a lot bigger and this is like the perfect size kind of so. I really like it to kind of stint creativity and opportunities a little bit from the get-go somewhere like this. You could probably build a little bit more of a rapport. It's kind of kind of musical community. Guess instead of yeah just trying to be drowned out down there. I guess How's it been with covid and everything going on it's been interesting I mean the great thing about the music industry and just the entertainment industry as a whole was. You know we haven't really been put on hold like people still create and like release and you know live streaming and just living in the technology era. Been such a blessing You know just to get to put out music in general But i don't know. I mean like won't cova. I happened in like march of last year. I remember i was like so depressed. Because i i left l. a. and like came home didn't have my car. I love my car have attachment to my car. I didn't have a car. Just like i was just stuck in my room and like didn't really have any friends either And you know. I i did write a crap ton during that time but it was still super weird and like lonely but now things are starting to like get better You know in gigs or happening again. I've been gigging lot which is great But yeah i do lamont ranch and big sky. Yeah love them about place and then spanish peaks in you know couple of other places. I'm trying to get more places in bozeman montana. The you've played or wanna play music fast. Twenty eighteen okay which was super cool the backdrop. I mean just right. It was like literally lone peak was super super awesome. You know and some great people play which was super happy to be part of it out now. I mean just just kind of like just around around here. What about weddings. Do you do match weddings. Okay but hopefully this summer. I can interested. I am interested in kind. Let us know. Okay yeah. I wanna try to play. Yeah no that'd be that'd be that'd be super fun for sure. Sure yeah. Why not let her answer the question. I really love like that area up there and you going to have some friends there during the summers hopefully can visit and gig up there a couple of times so cool. That'll be fun. You played anywhere crazy. Yes can i take make india. No so i was so lucky. I i had the opportunity to tour An open for dennis lloyd in both europe and israel which is his home country Yeah it was twenty. It was twenty eight thousand and it was extremely crazy. But did you say india Because i thought she posted about india. Okay israel was like i. It's fine But yeah i played ended this woman's music festival in frankfurt and then I got to play five cities with dennis. All throughout europe Germany austria switzerland. And then a couple months later. He texted me and was like. Hey do you wanna like open up for me in israel and i was like let me check that like yeah sure and so that ended up happening and my dad actually went with me which was super awesome because he hadn't really seen me play in front of a big audience before And i remember he was taking shots. The whole time nurses nervous before i started playing But that was super super amazing. You know the fans in both you know both europe and israel for me just being that it was my first time touring. We're like into music and i. I had one bad experience but it wasn't even a bad experience. Some do was intoxicated and talking super loud. But that's bad it was it was you know i had so many people. Come up to me and it just. It was so like inclusive. Dennis was amazing to. He was super kind. I was the hanging with denison dam. He's he's a he's a really interesting smart guy and it was just nice to like just like so much insight from him about the industry and he's a he's like a great mentor figure. That's awesome. Do you have a favorite dennis song. Never mind is like the most popular song. But i love that song every time it comes on like like this is such a good song. Because he's amazing. Figure out a way to collaborate. You know. I've been telling him busy guy. I'm pretty sure he's like working on an album right now. Calicoes in the process of just like you know that whole thing insane in itself so do much other musicians. Or what's your style. You prefer to go solo. It's it's funny. The only collaborative ever dine. Funny story Do you guys know. John vincent the third shed but okay heck out. I was like a huge. Jv three fan in like middle school. I listened to like really depressing vic super depressingly sixth grade anyways all it was a sixth grade. I will yeah. That's where i got all means. But i remember i think i followed him on instagram and ideas. Tim and i was just. Hey like you re league you just really inspire me like i want you to know that. And he was like oh thanks and then he followed me back. Which i i was so i was like. Oh my gosh. I don i think to some was you got cool. Yeah and then a couple years later. I reached out and i was like hey think i lived in montana the at that times legally twenty seventeen and i was like. Hey i'm coming to la like would you want to record a song together. And he was like yeah. Sure so literally i had come up with this. Like chorus verse. Meli idea prior and we just went into the studio and then kinda like finish that idea. and so that about song's called stuck on you and it's on my boomerang ep So that's the only collab- i've i've done. I definitely want to do more but right now like super heavy into finishing my ep. With just like my own songs. I just haven't you know. Sometimes it's interesting. Because i want to find people who have their own vision but will also like want to be a part of mine in the same way sometimes. It's hard With cova to it's it's been harder to like physically meet with people You know you can do sessions on zoom and stuff but it's hard to get the ball rolling in like be like. Hey let's actually do this song. You know what i mean. I think it's kinda hard to keep that going to. Because you kind of have to get used to the i would say dino the technological delay there ought to be able to play and practice together and things like that so yeah that'd be kind of tough right now so you Are working on an ep right now. Trying to pump that out. yes. I am so excited. There's going to be seven songs on it two of which have been released and then i'm going to release two more singles And then i'm not gonna say what it's called. It's something really special. And i'm really excited and i've just been working on it nonstop author out. Quarantine does it relate to something in your life or taito totally. It's an animal. It's actually it's named the names elijah's animal which is really cool. Oh i don't think guerrilla dang it okay unlike colts. Yeah but it's i mean all the songs. Are you know the one song i wrote in. I think it was twenty seventeen and then the last one. I wrote like literally not even a year ago. It's just like this whole span of like me growing up kind of But yeah all the songs are about me in my life and It was the one song. I challenge myself to write about something other than just like love or like a relationship and that's the one the animal and so it's really cool. I'm very excited. I mean that's a tough thing. I guess for me when i try to. I try to write a longtime ago. I went to school for music and stuff. But i feel like that's one of my things too. I don't know if i have enough to say in my life or enough to write about in my life to other people could maybe connect with. And i don't know i liked that that you've taken other than just love or other than you know things staple things to write about. It's something different off. Which i don't know maybe an essence of itself that's a way to reach people to is through something different and things like that so thank you. That's it's challenging. At times. Absolutely but i also feel like the more i write the more. I'm able to just be storyteller in general and doesn't have to be about my life and you know i take inspiration from movies and you know taylor swift's new album especially her lyrics folklore so good a who was like that's all i listen to when i came out but please Yeah her lyrics album just like her way of storytelling Just really like kind of got me inspired and you know hopefully like all released some songs and down the down the line that kind of emulate that in hawaii. So yeah netflix thing. I think it was netflix. Did reputation no. The the pond wants that. Okay i will you me. I is good things. Your new is out on the new ep. Yes it's going to be a part of a car yes. How long did that take you to put together. That single Actually a long time My producer greg. His name's greg. Cortez shot out greg. One of my best friends we started. We wrote we started writing the song in a different way than we usually start writing. We there's the song i think it's nineteen. I don't know who it's by. What's his name. I can't remember but it's kind of like this like rap pop song and i just really liked. I know i just liked something about it. And so we we listened to it a bond kind of like like mimicked the way that he like phrased things and like the whole talkback. Call things which are in the song And so started kind of like writing a song based on like being inspired by that song But we went through. Like i think three different production demo versions so like they didn't sound anything like the finished project. You know what i mean. And i struggled with this song for a long time because i'm such a perfectionist and it just wasn't cutting it i was like there's something so wrong with this song so i can't even remember like when we finally got it but you know it just it took a long time just work and then finally like once you once. You've kind of find the niche that the songs supposed to fit in. It's a lot easier to like chase it. Yeah so you're happy with the now though. Yes good yeah. There's only one song that i'm like. I wish i could redo that part of my. But yeah i like the song lot. That'll probably end up being the best song. Okay but yeah do you get much writer's block it's so weird because In twenty sixteen. When i really started writing. I had mono at the time and i was severely. I had it for a year and a half. i couldn't go out. Hang out with friends. I was severely immune compromised. All i did was right I was writing like at least one song a day. Like just writing and writing But the songs were like you know. Some of them were great. Some of them like absolute trash. That's just how it goes But it's weird. Because like as i've kind of looked back on like just over the last couple of years and like just me as a writer i've found that like i don't write every day now but when i do right. They're really good. And i'm not tooting my own horn you know. Let's not me trying to be cocky. Like they're genuinely like really good ideas that i want to like finish in pursue whereas like years ago. Like i'd be like yeah. This has no potential. I can't save this now. So i do have writer's block but also like learned that creativity will come at random times and like i'm not going to try to force a song out especially if i'm busy too i won't rain because it's like i know i'm not meant to right But i know when. I want to write if that makes sense flexing. That exer- your that muscle you know and it seems like the more you're writing the easier it gets for us as you go on and progress to so i'm trying to just keep writing the same you know. Yeah because you're not growing. Where exactly so. I'm trying to challenge myself with like what kind of song irate just done in general but that's cool and you can't afford no you can't down. It never works today. Never liked what you get out of. It honestly comes at the worst times when i'm not wanting to write or like not wanting to face a problem because that's sometimes that's how it is like you know experiences that you don't want to necessarily like up it's like that's when you write great songs kind of open. Those experiences up and you're like crap is hurts but like it's gonna make a good song so all right. So you're you release your. Up what do you got going on after that. Are you going to try to promo that. We'll see. I wish it wasn't a thing because i'd love to tour Especially the states. I've never really got to delays legit. You know tore in the states So i hope that can happen But yeah i actually have a music video coming out for highway. Eighty three which is a song released in august last year. So probably release that like a week or two sweet i will. I'm super excited. It's a beautiful video cool shot by drew crosby But yeah i'm just here. In montana bozeman. We filmed it so highly. Threes like a ninety mile stretch highway and swan valley in northern montana And we we drove up there and filmed we went to glacier to. It was like such a fun weekend. but yeah the video is pretty much everything i could have wanted So yeah and then just you know try and get more content for the epa and just a lot of content and photos and stuff like that but yeah it's just it's about the music and really excited to like have it out. Sweet that's awesome. Can we talk about how good your son garden is thank you. Yeah i love that song. It's on us gets no. How many streams. That has on spotify over a million. But i haven't looked listeners on spotify. Yeah yeah it's it was sometimes. It's hard putting music out. 'cause you're scared that no one's going to appreciate it. You know i do it. Because i love it but sometimes it's like oh crap like no one's gonna listen to this but i remember i was hanging out with my friend the night it came out and it came out at like ten pm mountain standard time so like i was able to see the stream numbers that night and i remember like a hit a thousand and like an hour which was so rare. I was like something's wrong. Glitch enrolled not even looking at this. I was mad. I was like this is wrong. Like it's giving me false. Hope i went to bed. I woke up in the morning. It had twenty thousand streams. It was on me music fridays. I was so freaking happy. I went to pilates that morning with my mom and my mom's like oh my god like check out running doing shots so cool. Yeah it was super. I was just very happy that you know people were like liking it. Yeah so what about your instagram. Like holy crap when you're when she's the world traveler that's what yeah like. How did that come about just all the sudden you start getting a bunch of followers to i mean. I've had instagram since like day. Six grade. Because that's all the girls in my grade cards. Six grades from middle school was a bad time. It's about time for everyone got agreement. Sixth grade is very awkward face. But i've moved a lot and met a lot of people. So i've you know i have like acquaintances or friends that follow instagram. Think everyone has that But yeah i think the touring definitely like you know gave me some good fans and i try my best and like follow the ones who i like recognize back Try to them and keep in touch with them. Sure it's so fun Actually just facetime this one fan From boston we've been following each other for like three years and it was. We talked for an hour. It was amazing. Yeah i was super cool. But i don't i don't know i mean they just kind of become and then they go but it's nice to like feel like i'm doing the right thing and like people are noticing you know it's hard when they don't know for all the music a habit on i'm like sometimes it's hard i'm like oh not enough. People are finding it like getting to hear about it but it's nice to feel appreciated in that sense. So do you feel like you have a steady fan base going right. Now that i feel like i have so many good people in my corner You know like there are a couple of people were like they are like hardcore fans and i love them so much for that Yeah it's it's so nice. You know and i want to just keep growing the family. The fan base and yeah. Yeah oh it's a story about a ten percent of your ninety seven or eighty twenty ninety ten yeah Ninety percent of your fan base is ten percent of your followers. Yeah so like you know. You're going to have those dedicated as hardcore followers. Yeah that's will be there for that you want to build and grow and then you're going have the ones that come and they go they'll leave and they like you and then they'll get over you or whatever and that's fine too. Yeah but you know. That's also good. Because i mean that's pumping you're streams. That's you know that's just doing nothing but raising your bar little bit more and things like that. So that's cool. Yeah do you have a name for your fanbase yet. I don't see make yes like right now. Sure yeah driver trying to. I don't even know what it would be spent sees. But i don't like that can work. Spencer's this what's in. Your don't know why i thought of that. Kylie longest dispenser because my and ms spence image sensor. It makes sense but it's sounds like weird shopping. Hey we're gonna call them. This is cool right. Okay we'll work on that have Sorry one more. Have an idea when ep is gonna come out Definitely think this year for sure. Hopefully my calculations are correct. Maybe like summertime i. I don't know though you know it's always it. Always changes always good good that you have that flexibility charta. Her you know over anything. Quality quality is the most important thing to me absolute and just making each song. Like as good as i can make it executives behind you with a pride trying like does that get you to do have management or yes. No i think if the right thing comes along and it's interesting to me and everything looks good or You know the music industry is so weird. Though it's it's hard. But i like having freedom not saying i wouldn't have freedom if i was with management or label I just don't know what that looks like. You know but. I think the right thing will come along at the right time and when it's right So right now. I'm just i'm cruising but doing i'm enjoying actually really enjoy getting to put all the work into it and like you know doing everything and like designing the website from designing the merch and like you know building your brain everything my saw. It gives me a lot of freedom. And i think the more you do that in the longer you kinda hold out the more valuable and the more leverage you're going to have. Yeah somebody does come at you and say hey you know we like you for you. But you're going to say yeah but they'd liked me for me and my creativity what i've been doing. Yeah that's so. that's the goal. Yes that's good way to go about it. You have when we've talked to say it's been like kind of fifty fifty split like we've talked to people that have been like give me that. Two million dollar check. I'll sell out and play at the super bowl. I don't care and then there's other ones that are like no. I wanna do my my own thing and i don't want anybody to be involved. So yeah it's it's definitely i mean for me. It's just. I want to always maintain rights to my creativity in like artistic control. Because like if. I'm not putting these out that i am one hundred percent about you know of it's influenced in any way by someone else. I'm not one hundred percent cool with it. I don't even know why so. It's yeah that's something that's important to me for sure that's good fans here much for coming. Thank you. This is actually sandwich vitamin very good. You park q-office me me decay. Psalms in car a i is can stop of. Sean limbaugh booze. Now it's stupid yards field. What's up guys coal from the idea. Show make sure you don't miss anything by following us on social media's at idea.

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Mat Hoffman: The Last Gladiator

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Mat Hoffman: The Last Gladiator

"Grant and today's guest is probably the toughest human alive with more surgeries and injuries and evil coming evil. This guy has put his body more than anyone I've ever met or even heard of. He's impressionable BMX bike rider. An artist father and one of my closest friends. I've toured all over the world of them plan to them and shared ideas and stunts. That only the two who else would think that idea. We talk about more injuries than you can possibly imagine getting parts of his body impaled by parties bike. And I'm literally talking about the worst possible places you can imagine. Also having surgery performed where they drill a hole all the way through his whole need with no anesthesia. There's truly no one like this guy in the world. Please welcome the show legendary about someone your helped you out or done something extremely kind. Have you been recognized. Those humans are in your life. WanNa WanNa send them a message of thanks wall supporting great. 'cause there's a growing movement of people spreading kindness and making a positive impact Juma buddies over the kind humans movement right now by going to kind humans dot Com. Celebrate the time in your life and hope raise a million dollars for some great causes kind human celebrated humanity by cultivating a community of kindness promoting conscious consumption. They always give them back right now. They're building a marketplace. For sustainable socially responsible products we can make our will kind of place to our day to day purchasing actions go check him out kind. HUMANS DOT COM pick some kindness and pass it on and we've known each other for a long time I it's actually embarrassing. Pursing when I look at. How long known each other basing like sad that many years here growing with doing the same thing? I think that I think we met in the summer white. I know we met in the summer of Nineteen ninety-three in Oklahoma. Go home at your bicycle Takata series. So that's been took twenty. I'll be twenty six years so that would have been my junior year maybe of high school but year and a half earlier. I broken my leg Jomon on trampoline. I told him who hoop trying to do. backflips on the trembling and jump rope with hula-hoop spinner rally and colleagues. I let it on my chest and my my shin hit the side of trampling and snap my video and so I was in like a full body cast like gas bill full leg cast for nine months or something so so young right and I remember member at the time. I had a wall to wall my room that I put by photos on right one had photos and then one had just met helping thus a whole follow me was pretty and I called off. Mike is There and I think you I answered the phone. And you're like yeah that's me and then I just was told you and I broke my leg. I deal to any sad talk to me for like forty five edits grazing so i. I've been listening to your terrible advice before we met but at the to me. See that at all that is made all the difference. Once I turned pro and kids tolerant talk to me or things like that. You know what I mean like and and sometimes you know like anybody. You're sick of stolen talk to anyone right now but I always came back to that. I remember how much it meant to me that you did that. And so that was like something that stuck with me to make sure that I did. Moving forward from there is for sure and then there was an later years later the US even take a call for me can get rid of really creating other reasons. I wanted to add on this podcast. Doc asked because you're someone that is like I guess fought adversity. I feel like your entire career the only difference I feel you like between the adversity. You've fought and maybe someone else fought was other people fight adversity by other people stopping them right or life outside forces were always. He's just challenges barriers. But I feel like you're adversities. were all brought on by yourself Eh. Have all the people I know you've legitimately had the most injuries of anyone I've ever known you have more injuries. Evil knievel sorry. I mean I. I don't know he was very good at lake exaggerating just kind of knew how to work the high. I don't really really knew exactly what eagles medical record was. But you know it's nothing to be proud of if you hadn't guessed how many surgeries do you think. You had a probably pushing thirty but I don't know it's one of those one of those discretions i. I've kind of been a point not to have an answer to because I didn't want it's something I was like. Great go ahead and listen you. You know one more fifty. I try not to look at Injuries that way. Yeah so it's a or twenties these you flatlined right you flat line on the Big Grand Prix losing the sleep. What do you think it is that me those things not matter? I hurt my knee again. I'm probably about mice. Probably get by seventy surgery. Why would you stop doing? You're doing clearly you're not thank you know I have other people are like oh I need surgery. I can no longer ski ride motocross across no decided that you aren't people used to ride the bike than I hurt my knee and could tie you got an excuse and guests scared your cues that you need to do so you can stop and be laying the truth. That's the thing I hear the most like. Oh I used to do this but then I hurt my elbow my knee and I can make a cure water anymore. And I'm like her weirdest enemies realize that the people who are doing this it has less to do with physical like obviously there are are injuries. That stop you from doing things you know. What do you think like most of them are meant injuries? It's all until I mean it's definitely it's I mean I play mine tricks myself. Just a NIP Hewlett myself to these things I want because then we can someplace some ways back when I was raised of the youngest income from a family of four siblings. And and I'm the most sane of all of them even my father and so and they. They were very aggressive in. I think when I got the Bikes in arcadia crash. This is all just you just take it in all I mean I. My oldest brother tied one time he knew I was scared of. And so we have this ant pile that's like about. I don't know maybe a a three three foot circumference of red ants dance and stuff and so he brought me out the stuck my nose in the ant hill. Until it's not just find ways creatively like that to scare the Hell Outta me you know and then my brother was A. He was a fighter and so he would. He would find me all the time but I was good at like a I was gonNA wrestling in judo. And some Tae Kwon do and so I was GonNa Finding Without Punchy here punchy and who wins that fight I mean because I get a hold him into where he can. He's in mobile in then. I yelled for my mother to come. It took me an injury happened you or later on. You know we're just like this is it. I'm done like I can't continue to do this whenever sure whenever I got hit by a semi truck t-bill came to a stop sign. I was going to pick up my daughter from school and I looked to. My right is a red blazer. And he's like go ahead and he most feed ago so I just kind of my left new cars and they're just. I pulled forward at that time. The semi truck this guy. I find letter to had us on medication. You take your medications must have seized seizures. Something just ran. The sauce got signed going fifty five miles an hour and Tito me and it spun me like eight spins into a tree and And then when it hit the tree it just well actually when it hit me it actually drove over top of me in the back back wheels of the trailer hit is like kids. Hit me in Sunday's super fast. Yes then I woke up. All the windows are broken up my car. My door just crumbled. So I couldn't and couldn't move the door it can open the doors and then you're you're awake. I was awakened I was unconscious found out how long and then I came to. I hadn't Nesia and it was really really weird situation because I've come to somebody time being knockout and looking and seeing my bike continue ramping collier. Okay I get it you know this. It was the first time I came to you and I was like no. Nobody can dislike what the Hell and super unfamiliar there's somethin'. It's so unfamiliar to most humans on the planet. You're so familiar with it at a different scenario of that version is unfamiliar. Yeah Yeah in Manhattan. I had an agent behind an windows knocked out baby seedlings there but no in my mind I I was. I knew I was going to get on it but I didn't know she was in the car. And Start freaking out. And that's when people started county finally found out that she would say anything that was just like I mean out of this whole experience like one team and say sticks out traumatizing. Experience of Sarli slammed. But because because it's like even though like I've come to lose many times under my suggestion is the person to blame if I it you know and that I'm fine with that but when it because that's my choice and that's I I had the right to make a choice but whenever someone else almost kills you it just pisses you off your ultimate. I get to make that choice. If something happens to me that I've always cherished it because I've seen you know I've had a confront you know defying things in my life and it's a huge commitment when like okay. I'M GONNA I I'm AQAP can. Do this have trained or whatever you don't make that interest obviously but it just seems like it was just uh-huh weird that that I've seen in confronted a death in the face a few times my life but whenever I had to do it because there was someone someone else's mistake it was steve ever seen why it's different because it's something about it was really different experience and so then what happened is I ripped my i. I've had four rotator cuff operations and whenever thrown around in the car it rip. That said. It's the fourth time that had done that but this time whenever the rotator cuff thin because I just handed. NBA Use it much because it just doesn't work very well that they could reattach it to the rotator humor said and so the easiest thing called graph jacket which is cadaver skin rebuilt the most would skin and it Kinda and holds everything together and they could pull over and reattach it to my humor's head it just didn't catch a dead body using other dead body. Yes if someone's skin and so what because if you have muscles but then it's all integrated with Scar tissue to hold the and so so this right here. I don't have even though I've got it attached now the muscles are don't work until it's partially paralyzed. And so that's why I had to shake in sister sister or whenever muscle spasm start little Muslims passengers happened a lot in my l. body and become the trainer. Because it's because I guess because of the mixture scar tissue in the muscles that I didn't ride I wasn't able to you know I mean I've had doctors say that You know you never run red again before but my main documents. He's always been fixes. Take her we can take care of this and this time he was just like yeah. I don't know if I could fix this and it was the first time I left. I thought okay well Rabbi Rabbi win able to write for four years. I didn't know that long. Yeah there's in two thousand seven I got hit and I didn't. I didn't ride till start running running until two thousand eleven then whenever I started writing it. You know it's like when you write all the time be understanding your low the passionate chase take any challenge yourself and it's just like a very personal thing of high achievement that you have complete control over it. Nobody else can control. It has anything if you do with it. You know. So it's like I think just a a security in that and you can you know you can just stood out whatever you want no matter what but then when you don't do it for awhile. The cycle muscle memory all the all those all those reasoning. Look at what you did and how you did it. All crashes and stuff that you've had gone through you're just like what the fuck do this for and you're just looking at yourself on the other side of the mirror something and you're just like what is your problem apple make. I can't I can't see one reason. Why what's compelling containing? There's no reason why you should ever do this again. And I was like well breath. I'm bill around and I'm using to be by myself and see if there is a there is a connection anymore Bonetti time I was terrified because it's just so scary. I didn't know if I've ever I was blocking back up the hill to my house. After when we'd go down the hill and Terai Ramp is and but then I started. I really got connected connected. One one I heard really facing your fear every day is a progressive positive thing to do you know and people don't realize how the how important that is to do that even if it's something small there's gotta be some giant thing but doing something that you genuinely I don't want to do is really good. Deal Yeah yes and then. I was the first on ramp where I wasn't on Iran because says next week contents next week I had a show or you know I wasn't. I was lucky that I got to. I love that it can make a living out of riding my bike. But then but then when you're doing it for other people all the time you're always vicariously experiencing your passion through other people's eyes and every time I when I you know I I if I mess up I bought it would ever be. He disappointed not for me. But because someone might see I wouldn't even get to because in the time that you were not Ryan for four years because I know I felt this in the last few years. Did you have like identity crisis did you. Did you struggle with any sort of like if I'm not riding bikes than who am I. Because it's in such a part of your DNA for the last thirty years. Something Yen. I kinda I was a bit in the panic. Because it's like you whenever you kind of have a mind that crease aggressive challenges like like ours. Do whatever her and then you get that cut out of your life. Your mind is start spinning and you're like I didn't know I thought it was GonNa go insane and so that's whenever I was lucky to To Find Art and start painting and stuff because it would kind of give me something to wear like. When you drop into a half pipe everything disappears except for a demands attention cancelled the moment demands? That attention for you to be be present not thinking about any step two steps behind you in front of you have to be in that moment. That's always it's been like a like a meditation for or something and I am just so lucky that I've had bikes in my life. My whole life. Give me this meditation. Give me this a balance in in whenever got taken away I was like I i. I don't have the mental capacity keep bottom. No what's going to happen and so you know. Try to play some music and stuff stuff but then I I just got paid and art in my past so then I started doing that I it would be like dropping it you know and I was like how do you know what I'm doing. How many star so you know and then and then just like riding you just have to go for it and you just can't really? You can't think about like some tricks. I can't visualize like I really believe we strongly individualization but there's some trips like a peacock geared. I can feel it but I I can't see it because I don't like whenever I go down and take both hands feet off. Gathered for benign on forks pegs pegs good fortune and take my feet often in that transition of going back and going and nothing back into that. I don't know how I keep everything stable. You know in my mind whenever I'm trying to visualize it and so I had to stop visualizing realizing it and I just have to start feeling and just like it is trusted just under Kapila. I know the rhythm just got to trust that that that knows it needs to succeed so you just kind of have and that's the thing with painting to. It was like a okay. I don't I can't see what I know what I want to start and then you just kind of. Is You just start problem. Solving the problem is a big problem. They just Kinda keep going through it and then everything disappears and then you just this get into this. This focus that ten hours goes by then. You're like oh I was GONNA pay painted a fish. Yeah Eh senior paintings because like I al- suddenly were putting paintings up on on your social media and this painting master repainting the really good like I can't why would I say I'm assuming because all the people's pets you paint a really ugly. But they are. They're really really like this. Some of your house red sauce on like you really capturing the life of those patsy act there's a guerrilla painted says there's a line and then you gotta pets are like I loved it because it was like you just is get to know the pet and it's like you know whenever you're painting and stuff. You almost like petting it. You know you just. That's my favorites. Pay But I paid one hundred and twenty pets in a year. That's great yeah couple of years ago and then I did. I did a bunch of commissions. JUST GONNA get paid to go to school and learn how to pay better and all you went to school. No that's my my school. I made my own school commissions with my school. They've got a tiny. Because I just had no idea would is doing and I went to Sean bars classes and just saw like for us. It's like how you pump your tyrel. How you like how you put some groups on how similar eh two and I was like wow I had no not? I didn't know once you think about well what I was doing so so back to being starting writing again is it was like having not having anybody judging me or or may have issues going on. There's no other. There was no reason to ride except for. I wanted to ride not because I was doing. Try to book someplace or anything okay. So that was like the first time I've been in that state of mind on my bicycle and since I was no one cared. Yeah Yeah Yeah like knowing me knowing elephone doctor. You thought I did ride anymore. No and forgot about me it was it was done so I was just like okay. Let me do this I I just got. I have to do this. If I'm going to find this I want to do this again. I gotta find why I did it and then I started realizing When I was out there by myself doing it just for myself that that's like the most valuable thing you can learn is to just be selfish with your passion and just to experience life and that passion it just for you and nobody else? I'm just going to ride my bike. Backyard I'm GonNa tell you settlement three sixty back to the beginning from from from everyone else's point of view who knows you all the bikers who follow you Berta riding his you know it's by far the most dangerous version of BMX. I think on an average right like everything do but he put all the different sort of styles bike riding with his street or minium. virk has the most consequence on most regular basis right. That's what I feel for the ramp to fourteen peach peach all even you fall on one. Funnier you're still following fitting and so we'll see you and put you stay still boots insane. You put video up you riding in your backyard by yourself doing stuff that dude's don't do like the top guys now. L. Still don't do a goddess and everyone is always like this nut case like mad has lost his mind. Let's be honest there times even when you used to write your warehouse you put your correct right. You'd put your cell phone on the flat bottom. So if you crashing got knocked out or we're broken legs you crawl your phone to call nine one one. Yes but I like how calm that was. Oh Yeah of course. Obviously Liver Kennedy. You have to have realized the reality check and you get to know that's going to happen. Happening I got to know that there's going to be times. I hope I don't crash. No it's it's I'M GONNA crash. I don't know when it's going to be going to majorly jacked up again and no one's going going to be there so when you have stuff you've you've set up cameras to shoot video and you've got knocked out and then the video just knocked out in the video runs out and no idea really how long you were not doubt because you just wake up in the videos you've twenty minutes of the you've knocked out. That happened. I was a judge John. J C. They're going to give food but the weather is perfect. Like he's GonNa take a while so I'm going to go down there. I mean. Just get a quick session as he started writing and then I and I it was the sun was setting. Did you see the sunset sessions. I was doing like him to come back and went to grab the handlebars missed. The Bar I guess because I was grabbing shadow or something that I saw I just it just not be UK Doc Lady said I had to go pro running after ten minutes ran out of batteries in and I was still knocked out sitting there and then jet went down onto find me. Tell you it's time to go in knocked out. He called my name just his voice will be up at all when how long have been here just kind of you. Ah I just figuring out guessing any injuries and stuff and call on his sword. I just couldn't breathe very good and I was like you guys just get food. Let me just. I just need to assess what's going on with my bodied. I long class and I was like well. I drive in hospitals. Let me send the people. Don't get helping away while it may be dying but I know you're hungry. Yeah yeah but it's not and the thing is they're kind of used to it too but yeah it wasn't the best idea but but I mean I don't know it's the first time I've had I had to do that. I try to explain to people when people people people don't really understand things that we do or the people like us do is is when they go to work you know they just go work back few like the only way to really explain. It is when we go to work. We know that every day. We're going to get in three car accidents. We're not really sure how bad they're going to get. Guaranteed you've just sort of extended that's ask what happens when you go to work people get actual never doing that again. But we're like oh well you know today so day you know like we only hit three parts today so good this I got to the hospital and then whenever you clap your lawn which I haven't done and before I never done that. And so what happens is is you hit and you punch a hole in your lung and so the air escapes your lungs at your rib breaking to puncture home. It could be but it could just be when you could just hit really hard and it rips your Your your lung hole in it. which is it sounds bad but it heals up and it just takes a while so but before it heals up if you puncture only along the Erie leaks out of your lung and in the the ear pushes on your immediate long long class and because we can't inflate so they have to stick a tube in your side into that in the cavity to get the air out of there and then let your your long replay but the dude that was doing it? It took like four different times. Couldn't it in there and this is the first time you've done this and he's like oh no no. We have physics hers. Come on dude like it's your job. My job is to died. Yours is got it in their room. Is that the first time he's done. He's Uh why am I gonNA do chosen to be the Guinea. So yeah yeah I got. I had lung green played in hospitals worried because unconscious for so long but I think there was in China or something so I went there and while while China. Find a find something like something that tells you knock myself out that I won't be laying the flat bottom for winning eighteen. What do you mean you'll find something? I was just trying to finally like a crash sensor or something that could like when I when I crash. Alert some crashes trying to ask crates document as I was trying to find. I thought I can't get type of variety as I'm looking all around and the final show. Whatever that is I've found this being called? Let's see here. You got my phone Maybe it's called like I think that's what it's called. Look for nine or no one's called but but it's a little sensitive answer the pony helmet and it was made in Tulsa. Oklahoma may decide to go by so I just ordered it from China and they got shipped to even thinking a ah the thing I was in the countries that make everything in the thing goes but but I got got it so a crash is a crash. Sense puts a little yellow dot. That's made his size of a wasn't telling you it was designed so when people make Mumbai out in uh in the woods or something if they crash in the mountains they hit their head and knock themselves out since the The knockout and then it sends a GPS location and and and text or two to nine eleven. So they find you but you can. You can turn that off turn that off and you can just tell it sin. The Senate texted John and Jason. TATUM knocked up. And so maybe if I crash I just know that someone knows knocked out. I wish you could see me shaking my head it out for me. This sounds like it sounds very useful but the same eilly to sounds so much like the same conversation that I've had for less twenty the toll of that. Of course that's what you're doing but it's it was for me. This is the most perfect thing ever because I think the reason why I was so aesthetic and stoked about fighting. This is because I really love writing by myself. I don't i. I like any any distractions I just like to and I like to experience it through my own mind because the way I I enjoy writing is different than the way I think people enjoy watching you know. And if someone's there then I started like I said so thinking about what they're watching your what I'd love just to do it for myself and just I just found a real. I mean I just felt like I feel like I'm twelve years old again. Basically started on. I'm really lucky. That can really really starting with no friends and now you're Indian with no friends story. Yeah yeah so so anyway yeah. I don't know what we're talking about well getting back to music. You're you're going to China for the Games now. The next game started in nineteen eighteen. Ninety five was the first X.. Games in Rhode Island you previously started and owned a contest series because in the early nineties. His bike riding it died. Basically industry done being in the eighties and it died and there was no real economy you started on and sort of revived a generation of when we would drive was it was insane do because there was no money in this ordeal we would drive all the way to Florida and then even the if we got first place. The Trista Cost US money. Adler a hundred bucks here tonight if you wind up fifty genius but when the asking came around you were the person they called to organize. Is that correct. No how Brindley St Bundy organized the first okay. I was invited there and then I i. Actually he got kicked out three three times for sex games for the first one. They like a They made to various whenver skateboarding. One for biking in the biking wind was painted blue with sanding it so it was a grip tape painted. They put on it because they thought we needed that with our tires. And so I happened happen. I know I was reading that and I I did a backflip. Fake you on. It pulled it perfectly back before we filmed everything we do. You know and I was like. Wow that's amazing and then an adult and in Missed it in me with me. Size Dot Eleusis Insane. Just how dangerous it was. It was like Okay I. I'm not writing this ramp and then I went over to escape and I just think my preview was up there. You won't have you probably would have. This game was perfect and they were even an jobs at the top. That's that we were treated like the Guy Skating so disturbed riding and then one of the authority at x Games on there like when you get off the ramp. I was like no other fine with Iran doesn't work you can't ride that. We're just going to read this ramp and they're cool with it and he's like no you get off the ramp now is. Is this guy just really aggressive. Like oh Jeez which never really stopped breath aggressive like even though the experts by there it was always a walk. The bike still be this and it was really even though we're all very happy they did. It was a really strange relationship between the athletes because no one ever really gets but I love to hear that it. What's happening to you so I dropped in? I just drop in just two years around this guy and he was just panicking because doing areas around him. And then you too fakey bounce off got that made a mad until he threw me out and then I which is which is funny. Because that's like doc holding the first boxing contest and then tell him. Muhammad Ali has to leave Bethel donuts uh-huh and then the second time I let you back in someone getting in the dirt contest contest and then Dennis was doing. I think he's doing something knocked himself out and then you'll hear it. He was there and she just she was just like when to go and see if she's okay but she didn't she didn't have a gradual credential on and so so the Guy No. You can't go you can't you. Can't see him no. He needs needs to hear her voice. Because I know that helps you get back. She doesn't have any credentials. And this I took my credential often it put it on her and yeah he does grabbed me. Kick me out because I didn't have my credential. Thank the after that contest. They realize you know. There's a clash between the corporate side and our culture sure and so drawn Simione flew out to Oklahoma and met with me and Decide hey pretty run. Sending a letter really is is just. Do you guys started the. I dismissed today but he he hold on. Let me. I'm just saying okay. We know we made mistakes. That you've been reading these contests and you can kinda be Alisa. Make sure that this doesn't happen anymore. And any any just picked extremely yours and then I let her back during the just everything that listed everything that was wrong with it and just fucking years and and then he called me in the plane right out the next day and met me and not in a defendant. Just okay yeah. Let's do this in the brains Raines and let's make this right and let's really represent your culture and community and and I just felt this passionate in his voice and that he was ready to go for it and was really concerned with doing it. Right representing our our communities properly and so that's I mean that's what I was like. All right I work with you guys. You know and then there's been so it it it's just that was like twenty something years ago and it's crazy yeah twenty five four or five twenty four years ago. Yeah which is really did was. I don't care what anyone says because you know these smaller sort of bike riding skateboarding the quote unquote hardcore that. They don't like corporate the the X.. Games was really responsible for allowing a lot of professional bike. Rides escape to live a really extraordinary life. I think yeah now I would always explain it as it. Built a bridge from like the world's couches to our tour backyards. You know and and you've got to share that with everybody expose like a different form of sport sport art. It's about creating and not really competing that we're we're using a competition to showcase it it's still there's bigger values inside the sport anyway call. It really is a weird sport because it's weird but it's really these strange because it's one of these ones that like no matter who wins. If you're you're always so stoked for buddy like even there's times when you wished would have ridden better but there isn't this for the most part. There isn't a rivalry people. There are people. Just don't like each other even people who don't like each other when you see them. Do something amazing. You're like wow and you can kind of get behind it which I for me. What I miss the most about that time of my life a beat all the contest and it's Gazal? That didn't come free what they did. They pay in sacrifice to get. I think I think I think they're all the athletes had so much respect regardless of whether you personally light the personnel for when it took to accomplish whatever that I was doing because when you say nothing in these folks nothing came free the only way the only way to the finish line or the only the only way to get in the other room was through the wall you know and so I I really. That's the one thing I like about all these sports that I think some of the other sports like traditional sports don't have committee right up. They don't don't hurt obviously Breitbart the next question next question so so with the Games they around two thousand three thousand four they start in the air which was a fifty foot or a sixty foot gap jump into a thirty four pipe and that was for the most part. When it was a Danny way type contact August? He'd been he'd build big jump to a quarter pipe for video part in he got to become a one of the events but Matt in one thousand nine hundred ninety one ninety one you had decided with. You're going to build this twenty one foot tall tall ramp and get into it and go over twenty feet so for me. Dan Even told me once. The whole the whole uh mega ran. Came from your your ramp and me flipping Alec after having to be Rolling Down Stadium flipping the helicopter so which was pretty cool cool but the big to me. The big show in that context is to court. What was going through your head? Can you just said decided. What was it that happened? Where you're like we right rams? At that time there were ten feet tall ten feet. If I twenty I can go twenty. How did you do that like? How did you learn how to build the rambler? How'd you decide you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA get would? And what was the motivation. To think that this it was possible to know that nor was even think about it as even that idea until a decade later I why it was idea originally eighteen in my head I was like I just wanted to go higher and I wanted to get bigger ear but but I couldn't pump the ramp any harder and so I thought I I thought I was going to make a ten foot half five. Are there eleven for live at the time maybe ten foot and then I was going to do a ten foot step down for the other half half and do a twenty foot bomb grab onto the other half. Sounds like a terrible I I I met a dude came up with worse ideas Johnny something to do with yet so he johnny airtime he would come up with who was who at the time. He was a guy that I guess he was a physicist but he also he was. Just just stop me and he would come up with these weird calculations nations where he would get the he would take a pickup truck. Figure pickup truck needs to drive fifty seven miles an hour. And then I'm GonNa hit this ramp at eighty nine miles an hour and I'm GonNa Jump One hundred twenty feed as for both moving on cycle. He's on a motorcycle. I'M GONNA land in in the back of this pickup truck as we're both moving and come up with weird to just Matt Problem Math problem but but then it would work and then he would like they asked me to be on their show master three sixty two cars. Yeah Fire Tube. Yeah that was my off the ball. I everything was so flat out this supposed to do a backflip. But it'd be done a few backless that I really hadn't fill oh that comfortable with flips yet three if I remember right right. Yeah yes I did so this point because I want to back with the three sixty which now in my mind minded because the threes harder way heart but so so do goofy stunt being and the state at a joint house and the well stay in a hotel and after after that I stayed paid for two more days I need a place to stay and that was an early ninety s yet while those in nine hundred ninety and so then I started just started talking talking about. Hey I want to go bigger not about my idea. And he's like well you g out and you would you wouldn't be able to sustain it by the step down step down so so he's like if you build a ramp that's twice as big and hit twice as fast you can sustain the same. Jeez going up in the tiny will be somewhat chameleon. But it'll give you w you go be going twice as fast as vertical speed so once I'm vertical going choices fascinated on other ranches as far translate twice as high and I just love Matt. Because I think it'd be partly because you guys ever do it. Just it'd be a of a mouse. You the desert crash dummy just to see you know just having just those guys at the wall and and so then that's when i I went home and then I I Had A had a show that I was gonna I was gonNA earn enough money to go buy this would and then on the drive back from the show my semi hi truck snaps in half the gas takes dragged to a stop on the highway and ask dragging it grinds holes in both the gas tanks and diesel three hundred fifty becoming a peterbilt. Have three hundred fifty gallons of gas in there and I just filled up so all the gas toward out down the road and down the ravine ahead to get all these people out there and we got on all Azmat thing did it to all these like big oil Tampon. Things get all the oil up with united pay these fines and and it took all my money so I got home and I was like broke and but I wanted to build this rant. And then then Thorne said he had a friend that wanted to condor and he worked at a lumber yard up in Kansas City and so he condors bite by the way at Condor under a framed by the way. Yeah so he said I did get as much pilot I want in exchange for. Who's GonNa let you in the night? Yes I went here at at this lumber yard and he was a manager there so I brought I drove a U.. Haul up there and just loaded full plywood and game the convoy and drove home. And that's why I got all my would for that so that ten thousand dollars probably of ramp probably for two hundred bucks right. Yeah I was paying ninety seven dollars it might give it to make a condor the ninety seven bucks base might have in that in that big rig my first big Ram that is awesome. You're it is borrowed it because I I would still. Yeah but then I kind of I paid for it with. Coke is later on you explain that. Yes a few other innovations later right right. Yeah and that was an TV show or for what was that now yet. It was I forget which one it was extreme sports sports. I don't know and that's one lane flatlined every day. Yeah so yeah I built by myself like in the dente winner in who assist so gold. Which must've I have been so hard to build because it's twenty some feet tall? Yeah I don't even high start to build. That did you build it on the ground like tractor it up like lifted up. Yeah it was complicated. But but how big rolling I had so I was for the forty three. The Doug is so you'd bill quarter by at that one but then decided we're going to have to build the massive half by with a forty hour rowland right and then if I remember correctly you build up. You couldn't enough speed so you built you promote your bike right. Yeah talk about that now. Sounds so stupid. Yeah well I've seen the bike like when I visited by govern how Cordelia unweighted it is just like what are you is hereby. But when when I when I was building okay you know the forty three foot rolling. It's like past midnight freezing cold in December and the very top sheet is up there. Sure I've got I've gotten extending boards up to its thinks I'm like forty feet up in the sky trying to tip this to the last piece of plywood over the role in and as it goes like this and falls in the two inox Almighty stepping boards out from time. Get stuck up there before you had cell phones and just like I'm going to be stuck up here all night and I was like. Hey but I can't really say up there. Yeah Yeah I'M GONNA freeze because there was a blow freezing to deal so I mean I just was trying to think like I contemplated like both what I should you do for integrity and then I had so much clothes on like I. Just there's all these mills sticking up from whenever it got the boards that got all pieces. I just jumped in just just slid down the Rolan but it just a it pop. They're just all my pants jackets and stuff and it was thick enough to where in comey what how never never really. Yeah but that's a good place to transition because there is a story that I heard about something about peers in your boss so okay oh you know what this. Okay just interesting story so I was doing shows with Tony. The Hawk Abidjan and killing years. Roughly maybe think maybe thousand and and so AH. We're friends this is this is my point. Is You have so many terrible things that have done. And I've known you for for this phone and I read their so normally in your life that even your close friends to hear about but it's okay this is this is one of those moments that you've you do early stuff. Sometimes you have to think about all with the tragedy that you're facing in how how bad something could be. And then you have to think about. It connects up that you know and then you get to go back to your focus. I know that you've eve except you've accepted the fear or whatever and so then I can make more stronger focus on achieving what I want to do and so when this is one thing that I never thought would happen to me. But it's like the biggest nightmare that I think anybody can had had so I'm writing their find myself. What does he have your house outdoor? One I had at my dad's house okay and so inside a role in another variation so I just posing. I don't do the same. Treats every time and Poser boot I. I was complex with like riding with Tony all the time because I was doing the same runs every every time and so so then I was like I'm going to do a candy. Ah Candy near which is like a no for candidates. Put One foot over. The top of your handlebars in the other ones like backside India near like. I don't know if I've ever seen that before. You're what I see. Okay so I go by do that. My pedal spin and this is when we still have the on your on your seat and I still have the seat and I still have these pants. Okay I do this pedal spin land on the seat and without my on the titles. The Sierra rails yeah hope through the seat through my pants and poke for both sides of my balls and end with this is not. This did not happen. Do we stop writing stuck in there. Did you pull out the the eight to hold in my my pants where they both went through there but it stuck me I could crashing so I crashed and I saw okay. So so I'm I'm Leon that is I took my pants off like holy fuck appears both sides of my empire. Okay purity balls. It's really really the flesh. It doesn't go back physical that it poor test rap right if it falls out wrath route so whatever that is saying you you're making a ball shape but my hands maybe Pearson and goes periods. That kind of sucks. You can't really right yet so then I have. I have four bucks and so I was just like oh my gosh this is so I I really dvr. And then. I was like no. I can't go to the Er because we can just stick needles in my balls. And that's not something that's more hall and it's kind of embarrassing having someone working my buzzer. I just went so I was just like what am I gonNA do. And then I went home and then I clean myself up. Shame myself herself. Nobody's GonNa believe this. So I took a camera covered myself and I filmed my balls in all the appearances on both the sizing and just showed how my balls and then why did I get that then I I cast duct tape and so a ball cast the duct tape. And then I then I went and did a show with me saying you wait to see you there. But I'll tell you and what I did I serious shipped it with duct tape. I shoot my bowl. He made it a little duct. Tape is in. I went to and then I made like put some some cotton duck take dona on my balls. Duct tape. Butterfly was deserve so we do the show and then I forgot I knew where is there like what the Bar Thorns. Thought it was there at the show us the old man underneath hit jockstrap. You loan me so our show by Paul duct tape ball and then whenever we're making that Bertha year movie I think all my teams I sent it to Dick House so they could wash log everything and I sent him that tape Mexico. Next time I saw what I was doing a show in Tony's fundraiser in Hollywood. PJ or NOCCO is up there and what if it just seems highly. Hey remember this had it on his phone you to put that in the first at the the ESPN is in the crash and ESPN and they wouldn't even miss anything from this time to this time. Code must be removed. There's that very I love hearing story nearer there. There's a tumor storage and we're talking about. But I also wanted to talk about that. He you know this bike ride that you have this. Also this love of flight raisins. Oh you are a skydiver and base jumper. You are a pair pair pair bodies riskier gliding year. Motari who was your retraction is to that because that's very different than bike riding but there is something very familiar with it as well. I mean you want to see that you've done Broadway. Say Guys that he's he does. He's he's also taking his bike and backflips off a for the five thousand three three thousand foot cliffs yet. Yeah and basically Norway Norway thirty two hundred years so when you see guys do and dooming suits and proximity flying off cliffs over there one of those. It's actually rode his bike off with and done a bunch of flip. So you've done these other sort of I hate to use this worse quote unquote stunts. That aren't just bike related. Even that one's Mike elated needed. But yeah that one was like I say you always think of all the things that could go wrong your base jumping. Because you don't have time to think you gotta be it's GonNa instinct so so the first time actually I with my bike. It takes four hours up this dylan on your bike. What's that? How long did it take carrying a bike? elway is it took the guy that carry my bike for me. There is no actually. They're carried. Switched off you know so but it took about. I mean at least four five hours to get up there then once he got up there with my bike I realize that the handlebars went type. What what and so they were loose and I was like oh they were to lose even writing off the Clinton so so my friend I learned how to Beijing? From originally John Vincent Base Jumps. The cliff goes back to the canal. Randy's now here's our hike. Backup Hill wait why I rate weight and I just like suck on the decided that the hill had gene falling right on the edge. I'm just like Oh my gosh I woke US turtle but two but instead of the better by far the best decisions sometimes but then I'm thinking about everything about a I wanted to do flips originally my I wanted to have the idea in my mind was a wanted to build a brand so big on the side of this cliff that the only way to make it survive survivable is to base jump off something go to a parachute and so I just wanted to go so big that the only way to make it make it safe earlier. If I had the weird thing is I understand that way of thinking. Yes I inside. I thought this would be so fun. But I've been like oh we can give money to build a ram on thorough. Should judge Johnny. Bring it up so I I just I was like okay I just ride off. I'm you try to do flips when I read off so I wrote off. Did one flip would go to the second plane. But by the time going second flip going going turnover and so by my wheels have more. They're acting as a wing. Wheels have more dragged in my body some flips sat down. And did you upside down holding your bike in in your the anchor a bike and then you're just stuck in this position and then I was like okay. Well I guess on I separate my bike for my bike because basically on this jump you had maximum of eighteen seconds before what six seconds of jumping off you can do whatever you want for six seconds and then there was a cliff below you that you have to track Delta track for another six seconds so there's an edge that because when you jump off you're gonNA start the start calling drown but there's an edge what you're saying is that you'll hit. You've got to track farther away from the cliff. Hit that right someone right right before me hit that lane had to jump in like two thousand jumps. There had hit that Lange and I had to bring a helicopter out and get her out day or just shortly that day. Yeah it was crazy and they'd get right up on the helicopter with the outrage and so it was it was tunnel medic Geico insurance but so so so so my theory is it was six six six. I would jump. I do whatever I wanted to six seconds. But then I had to L. Detract for another six seconds and then I have a little pocket I could fall into for six seconds and if I open about three hundred feet altitude so I jump off Hud as waiting for him how he cup visualizing these six seconds so I can have it so I don't have to counter feelings taking into my brain so I jump up six seconds I separate for the boat separate and my chains cut it. My pants dance caught my chain. No Way Yeah just like bringing your way from the bike I did it. Tug Tug on the bike was leaving but then I just sat my feet in the bike had so much dragging just re ripped it right out of it but for that could have been a bad thing for a moment like I'd never I didn't want to think of it happened but it it was over like so quick buzzing track. I open got open about four hundred feet and then and then whenever I really started getting into the ground rush of base jumping and then I started realizing I'm not into yes. I luckily I got. I got injured. I I couldn't based on for a while and so I got a lot of my kind of saved my life with directions. My wife was going you know but what if that. I don't think of a person that thinks everything happens for the reason. I definitely have like a person but there are things like that that I wonder if everything happens for a reason or because things happen it gives you a reason to do something. Oh you know you know. Like if you like for instance whenever I got hit by a semi truck I had. Tony was going to do it. Three D. MOVIES COM calculated risk. And I wrote a sketch for it that that helped them sell the movie and get support for an idea whereas I was GonNa have big helicopter and have Have like a big role into it. Funny 'cause we we had this similar idea and we try to percents melts. Everyone's like no like it's always going to have a week soup but only only the top so I could like Elliott Body would have more drag my wheels. ETF through the sky and stuff. And then I'm GonNa land in San Francisco. This is GonNa be a whole whole bunch read stuff you know but then I got hit by a semi truck at the same time I was like well. I hit my the semi truck and almost killed me but I I was going to do a stunt. That could could heal me too so maybe almost dying near here. That's kind of how my life is in all the GNARLIEST survive because it's like well. I mean John Hurt. I'm broke every time I get injured. But I'm to injure myself worse. I today where it could be worse so like when people think like what happens to them when they have this sort of positive thing like they're always always tomorrow years is the opposite. Here's got hurt today. Really bad that that's better because I could've got really tomorrow in my mind. My at least you go as bad which in that there is something about all these injuries. You've had that has also lead you to have a little bit of knowledge of more than other people about getting hurt and your body and also having they have some surgeries throughout the last deck couple decades necessarily more normal surgeries. We couldn't have done it in America and I I remember three Because now you when you blow your knee out you can you can get a fixed or you can get a cadaver ligament put in or they can take a Patella tendon or in Europe up you can go to Europe and get synthetically which is basically like a ski rope and they bolted in your leg. The healing time is really quick but when and one of the Times you blowing your knee out you decided well let me. Just tell me what happened because this this is absolutely insane story and it might be one the gnarliest things someone would do in the twentieth century. Because the only time anybody would ever have to do something like this would be like in the civil war so you side in the when you're GONNA get blown ACL in my field. And I had to get in both again at the same time and when you do both they usually use one to measure the other one that we can do both just had to guess and so I think and then I I took a year off and did everything proper and then I started writing. I blew it out and like the first couple of weeks Rhodesian macy's and and so at the time I was like I'm done writing if I have to take another year off in so I was talking to my doctor. got kind of joking the doctor and say you know what I mean the ACO is not that that big of a complicated biological whenever I could you just like put chain link bicycle chain in there and hold it there it just kind of laughing. Even and he's like no of the east of the seventy would experiment with artificial ligaments and and they they the FDA will station because they offer long-term healing in so. This is what year is. This was a ninety. Two thousand nine was ready. For you. Project your balls I think the the buzzer no the buzzer later. Okay so the from the ball I think might have been two thousand three or four. All right see balls are fine. And so he's like he told me about these. Dr Larry Dijon France He. Aw He had invented this synthetics. He'll surgery synthetic ACL ligament and you could put it in. He was experimenting with people in New Zealand in regular players in bigger like they could get one of these cadaver. I mean every one of these synthetically commits and it'd be performing back in the game in two weeks and so big it takes all to your basically right. Yeah Bill you can do it right out of surgery just got slowing down. It's it's just it's never going to be day the second after surgery so take the pain or whatever you could start basically custody. Oh yeah so so I was like okay. I'm going to aren't I do that. I found out that I could equipment into the states. Because if the didn't satiated within those a French Canadian treaty so I was able to send it from France to to Montreal. Don't y'all and And then Dr from Toronto came up that was experienced in the surgery and met me there and I had to give him ten grand in cash. And then because because there's no insurance right he has insurance and it's like it's a totally different environment. As far as medically when you go into a hostile and stuff you like take a number you sit down. Nothing seems like it's clean like you said just seen really sterile environments and stuff and it's like went into this side room here and will this medical room where they had the table and they had all this this monitor and I already made the deal and skipped over that. But they're they're like hey whenever I was doing them ten in grand they. Were you know the most dangerous part. FDA agrees the most dangerous part of surgery is Anesthetic so if we could show that you could do the surgery without Lina statics then we can submit the FDA. Maybe we can have this sanction in America and so they asked what I'd do without again so that means no right and you know the skin to cut but everything else is in in your work your wake and then you had to be keep my heart rate below. Eighty six excites had to kind of very common and been like at the time. I think I I looked at like. Would I save twelve hundred bucks because because instead of six hundred dollars and I get so I was like all right housing to do it and I was kind of interesting to see what it would be like. You know. Unlike because you're psychotic I just deal with a lot of this. I wonder if I could well. How would respond to this? I'm sitting on the on the table and then they become a skin and then they get the drill out and then the girls wear going kind of top me can you. You guys can see it on just to show you okay. So it's kind of on the top of his knee off to the right. I gotTA GO DAG. His whole knee Alpha me outside into the inside lower your film excrete their exciting right there. Yeah so the search drilling and if you ever get your bones build in your. You're awake just the this is what the first eight minutes. Your bone is super sensitive. But it's like I mean it's a you're not getting the feeling that everything. Yeah so so super sharp pain and then once they break through Tracy bench. The nerves aren't as you know it's in the building Mira and it's like it's a move doll paid feels like a broken bone. But you know it's more manageable. I wanted to think need that. I heard this heated helps like stabilizing the drill in pushing on it to you help right. Yeah so well. So then then the girls goes to the individuals out the other side now the drills all the way Kushner drilled. This point. I'm just stabilize the drill. So you're helping your sistine. The what's what's that smell like when when it's burning through and through coming out coming on yellow a yellow yellow soupy look in bone marrow and it just smells like bone marrow. No no one's GonNa know whether POPs out he's an out detached the drill so I'm voting clean burrowing decrease the jump into malade. So so I I remember hold the journalists he detaches it and then and then after. The taps is drill has his hollow and so he threatens the ligament through the drill and so now have a ligament through the job and then they put the drill on the other side of the bit and then yeah catching and then they pulled out. And then I have two pieces of a policy says my bleeding and so how close closest thing like I was still in the holding onto the chair whenever you're at now now you're onto a drill. They visit yeah sweating like that are so that the pain is so intense that you're having sweating and you're getting lightheaded. Ah You're going into places. It wasn't really bad shrimp. Yeah you know my telephone about the first going going through Abo- again those two are like intense and they were really took a lot like focus to just be like to deal with. You know that was. That was hard but everything else was like familiar. Pains wasn't like I've had worse worst pain and I wasn't like panicky and it was kind of a bizarre but I thought it was kind of Larry and I'm but then so funny than after it was done like okay. Okay we're done and they left the room you can go now and I was like okay. Crutches a wait and see when they they put it in the attacks and they put the ball drill bolts in your bone after that right to try and so yeah they were doing so they. They put two screws into tests that they attach it into the top that one I might. He's doing this crew. I'm flipping a little bit because it's really painful during the screw and plenty all UK again. He's a stop. Stop screwing all the way in. And I thought he was. I thought he needed to be screwed in more but he didn't want to hurt anymore and so he starts doing it two weeks later. I crash in slips the ligament slips and so I I was like oh it up having to get another one done. He was finished. He just says you're yes. Okay and so. They're they leave room. I'm by myself. I don't have any crutches but I walk in and so on says hurts. Didn't even really hurt that bad yet because it has fallen out the kind of apprehensive put pressure on it but it could pressure like oh I walk out and just walk straight out of the hospital into the parking lot and flying down. Just a prescription for painkillers. Nothing nothing since just the whole up right. Yeah but I mean so. Then so they get to the bag with no money Hey string you're going back to the hotel. Yes they go to the hotel and then I guess I'm GonNa Watch Peter Peak Review until I you can. How long were you in that hotel for three days three days? How are you getting around at that point? I couldn't I was crawling. I go to the bathroom I would have to crawl to go named for us. The cheers discrepancies. And then I call down to the front desk and they got to range. The range didn't it has on crutches from store or something so stretches and then that's what I And so you did the surgery with out any anesthesia right and to to help him get into was working that end of helping the reds yeah. I know you're helping You know they did it. They did say Shit and they like. I think I think you go from being able feeding in America by Saito Hundred Bucks Nude combat or yeah they had so then I was like I got through four these ligaments now and so forty synthetic synthetic and when you they don't know that you can get worked on America to do is if I can smuggled equipment in then. My doctor can classify AH REPAIR WORK AND NOT HAVE TO SMUGGLE Senator Canadian distributor and have them package it with hot bikes labels labels and then you send it to me as as samples to approve right through customs. Wow so wrong. You're going jail. It one time reminds me a time and whenever I was in Dubai in crashed in well I this is a crash because we to drop zone. I split skydiving all day. A the competition at night and then do by cutting so and I was already satisfied from all the skydiving you know from the day I had to do vert contest and I think I just was. I wasn't focused enough to to really do both those things in the same day into prison. If I was just too exhausted so I just got to perform by. I'm I'm going to try not to be jumping all day. But crashing and mess up in my knee I felt like I I I knew I tore my synthetic because we need tear polyester. And you're in your body has very unique feeling good. Feel that the tier the polyester and so the thing is i. I had a doctor to see if I had if I were. ACL and the doctor. Inside he's ignited tear it and I was like no I did but but the weird thing that happens to you know he started to know your body so well and the doctor is like no. You're fine or no no no. There's something wrong. Yeah so but I found out whenever he was moving my knee you would. It would start but the reason why my niece does 'cause I don't have any seal in it right now but but there's no way of this look because what happened is when I was when I was younger at the goes like fifteen or so. I tore my meniscus in half and had my meniscus move now my knees have worn into each other so they can't handle there so I can't Total knees or whatever but I can't get them as a Tom Dunn breaking up a wet. Because you can't really repair total knees. They're they're so bad. They're good because they born into each other so it's really nice. It's really really is a benefit. I was talking to my doctor. And he's I can't feel a stop to you. You know and he. He didn't realize these were worn down. That bad that it was something like that to about. We're going to look at it in and just clean it up and see what is wrong with it and why it's willing and ready for surgery. I had a synthetic in my pocket and I said I'm I know we don't let me say this isn't twin but feels torn. I can feel as polyester your smuggled into some case yes I was. Just just think just in case you see torn. I don't WanNa have to go do the surgery again. So if I'm knocked out and you knock me out just a here's here's a spirit ligament that you can inputting fairly with your doctor and your unconscious. And then he's like yeah it's ASEAN passback. Patch him up. You Know Matt gave me this before surgery. And and he said go ahead and put it in here and he's my doctor. He doesn't really have a big sense of humor. He said all of the staff laughed at. I I woke up after all this. Nothing's changed I let me write though like you're still writing down the yard right Iran by yourself putting flop or whatever the yellow thing you have on your helmet without the help send an SOS message Z.. Your wife injuries and like we talked about but are the injuries to me. Stimulant I just think. I tore my knee in Greek tour. I think he's as many. It'll be my seventy surgery agree and there is a part of me. That's like maybe I can't do this anymore. Not because I can't because can I continue to get hurt when that's not wanNA nickelodeon donate more rate by living doing what I is there party all that still just like when you get a trigger maybe ever done like did you know Jason Ends Buddy of ours. He's another professional bike rider. And sometimes they'll be riding and we've really fat a really special place. I mean we came to visit you you in your life so we're like nothing. We've never even felt one clip on this old senior is it. You're like WHOA. This guy's figured it out right the ride. You know what we were talking about earlier. We found that it's just for you but we didn't see things like the awesome and I love his mouth is like I don't live like that. No you're going to do that. You don't seem to have that and you're you don't have to live but I still there's Times party knows that some of the tricks that you do or have have done or invented still no one else does even the contest. These days usual ever done them but we see them they seem so gnarly to us us and do you ice. Assume we assume that they're just setting nature but at what point is there is there. Is there a point where you think you'll ever ever look outside the Dako on like maybe I should do that. Any other. Ease into it. I get a feeling in let me of something i WanNa do and then I know that I'm defenseless against gets. I know that it's going to come out and this is okay so freezes. It was really hot last year. I would translate okay. I'M GONNA get up at six in the morning. Go right six in the morning. Got Other ramping right and I was like I really. I really feel like a a no handed fi for a long been done one. It'd been awhile in in my mind and my it's six in the morning. You don't need to do this a way. I planted this now and now that it's planted sometimes the wall that I land. I don't have enough speed or enough energy but it's out of the lead the other planets already there. It's already I know people don't understand that. Sometimes I think if you try not to try not to come out that whatever you ask if you try to spend it or you try to whatever whatever the next time and that's dangerous if I don't if I knew something in there and I don't let it come out or try to put myself back and be more mellow. Oh I get more dangerous and not whenever it's there I have to let it be or it's seen as places when when the people are the people I knew all do something and it'll be coming in there like a lot after underwent a bumpy road up to whatever trick I'm going for you do whatever the themes that were coming up and Brenswick. I didn't think you were to go forward after the four that some four. That has a motive. But that's motivated or like the seeds earning been planted. It's so I feel like sometimes the whole run or the ones I drop in whole run is about that one trick and everything else is just like the latter it takes to get at their the latter and it doesn't matter how shitty you climb the ladder as you in your heads all leading up to that and I don't think people blender stand the level of like you've committed to this trick twenty seconds before you've done it even if three sales for you it is the worst season you could possibly make your urine because it's like no matter what happens how much or how scary it. Or how bad idea is it. They realize in the moment. Nothing's GonNa fix what you've already done you've got you're taste. Let it go out sometime riding. Remember that day I was right and I know it's a migraine. I'm not you the United Way too early. But they're not right and I'm just GONNA do some big eaters. I just wanted to big ears and just just gigging view. It's bigger and then I'll in kind kind of low but you know that means I was going to do with his big rig on this side but I'm GonNa have never speed and so why not do no hand five forty Yar. Yeah I go okay yes Louis I I just knew that. This is the moment that I can take over meets by forty because now you can do this Laurie here and you have enough speed. And so it's like honest goes through your mind and you're like almost giddy that you mess up your wall. Doing what do you really want to go. And then you just went perfect. Yeah Yeah so yeah. It's it's it's always like I learned my first rotator. Cuff surgery was inherited. Five four years in a while. So I'M GONNA do little I and I hung up and messed up my shoulder and I was like i Never GonNa do. Do Something Mellow Melania. It's eight years. There's a weird thing right for me. At least it's like if I'm going a foot biter but if I'm got a foot or two out it feels more dangerous going six or seven feet from me because I can kiss. Can't you're at that level. You don't know where it's at when you're higher like can see pill or anticipate where the message is to correct some sense speaking of messing up in your backyard. We need any more terrible story stories. But maybe we'll get in your but sometimes you get visitors right in-depth McCoy it was another another probe. You grow up with basically for the last thirty seven here Friday. He came Napa Kansas City. And you guys have session and you thought you would. This is a device already because as you guys were gonNA shoot a double team right which is where like you guys are going over and under over and you've been doing it for years had different routines routines over the years through contests. She's doubles your team in. Your GOPRO was fish island. which makes you can't even barely see what you're doing other while he was so far away? You guys have a collision that almost killed. How does it happen edited? Dennis to have is because don't blame it on foot says. Let's do it one more time and I was. Ah Dennis. I'm already I'm already ready to go get some food in. This is another day that we were skydiving and Dennis. Has I guide did I jumped with him filmed them and then we went back and he's like he wants. He wanted to claim you want to proclaim this day to be seven twenty and and he wanted to make a national July July Twentieth Year in July twentieth so he wanted to make a national holiday out of this day and he today this day. You WanNa do adults thirteen of us to proclaim this same twenty national. BMX freecell shake the devils. We did them down like Oh we can do better than that. Let's do one more time. I'm already done you know right. My when you're done you're already should have been done. runs ago right. Yeah so he's like no. It's just one more time Dennis. No I don't do one more time. He's like Oh you believe in that stuff. I don't believe anything like one more time. Boise like super tissues. And I'm just like all right. I love so we do it and I I miss up and then we see you suck by going the wrong direction or dr over running back and forth correct. Yes so so. You're on each wall like separate walls at the time. Several separate sides of the Ram and in one person's going the wrong direction or or or cargo for the other person's past right so then we had a head on collision full speed. Full speed I get blown off the bike if fractures pelvic and then I on the ground and I can't I can't move him. I thought I kind of thought it was paralyzed is for bit. But it's just like buying tripping out in shock and I couldn't move my legs and stuff because I just fractured my pelvic and Dennis up. They're just going around and I was. I was like Lloyd Wright until we're just moaning for awhile you know and it just feels like we're by ourselves no one's there and it it gave me this feeling like we're Vietnam and we just got bombed and we're just like we're just put me in that state of mind. God identity took us a while to even talk just in so much pain and then eighteen year right and he's like no. You're hospital like a I in my phone's over the top. So I had had comical out and give my phone and broken Delvis pelvic gut my gut clauses car. which is this little yellow Japanese mini truck? And I get. What is it like the side by at gardening side by side right? I got a little mini like. ATV type like flat right. Yeah the yeah you. It's a little small like you see. It's not Clark Ukio no car. It's like Z. Like a ranch driving like it would be moving stuff around enriches or you see a lot on. South is really small but then I grabbed out that car but then I stick shift and I. It's hard to ship but the car was just so far away. I in my mind okay. I'll just drive this car. But it was the worst thing that you do. I couldn't really shifted and how they were so I was able to shift without the question to get there but then drove down got tennis. He lacerated did handlebars lacerated. His Goering to where his his his already was hanging out and it had sliced iced all his tenants. That hey hit hold his thigh muscles to the top of his leg muscles just phil down so that that cut is like eight or nine inches law right right. Yeah all right. It was insane looking and so if he wanted the artery was right there and it was you somehow missed artery. Miraculously because if you would've been dead like really quick so so yeah yeah I get there and then but this is what I get on there. I always whenever I. I had my chest with the drive. The car in the hospital seniors in the back now. He's in the front seat. Okay videotaping videotaping. His leg is basically acing leave almost severed. Yeah and he still might want to put your vote is in. The hospital is a free car. You know it's go is six miles as far too. Yeah so Fastest single get fifty and it's got doors right. It has to okay. Yeah it's just a few guys so you guys are like just picture like two old injured men in like Benny Hill car. Thin- inanimate there and I get out and someone recognizes the zones in there like a month ago and then I the drive denison there and and it was just like they were losing they were just like I don't know sagely you know. And then then they brought in some experts right and stuff back together. Imagine just hearing that but I I you might lose your leg. Yeah it was it was it was so it was such an intense state that I've had so many but desert right has his leg right nine hundred at which is like I think it was just a few months later right yeah. He didn't nine hundred and got third or second second-place maybe it was just. It was amazing that he came back and perform perform. mikey still performs whatever it was just it was really you think if other people have hurt their they can't ever run again or the go to the beach right this game. Dennis is fifty years old. Yeah he's a at least fifty year old yes he's an. It is the oldest of the generation fifty fifty at the time. You're fifty the end. He dinner several leg and then a couple months later comes back and places metals in the X. Games which is nuts that I like to say that like this these these are really really good stories and I really really amused me and I feel terrible. Say I have the sale you went from being like I said you had a map off the wall and then we met fusion later I ended up writing for company. And then we'd be friends you know. We've we had things that happen where we did see I and we had other passions than we do together like skydiving and we feel also been. You're probably the only other person to be also you that I can think of. We've shared each other's ideas back and forth and everyone else goes. This is dumb. Looks at you like you're idiot and we'll be sharing where ideas it doesn't go straight to urinate. It goes like Oh this will convert better like this or this. This'll be awesome. Oh what we. We basically taking our ideas on steroids. But what if we send it to twelve we go sixty seven has been very in a very important part of my of my the last two decades of life having someone that you feel like I think the same clock because I think it'll be giving me too much credit but understand where some of the drive comes from and I think as a whole bike riding and even accent sports such great like days the word but appreciation for everything you've given to the sport in when it was dead new you brought back alive and when it was alive you lit it on fire and I really I appreciate that thank you. It's been so nice to come in to talk with you We're not with other people and we can really talk about these funny stories and stories. I really appreciate coming onto uh-huh thanks man. Yeah I mean I think it is red having someone. That doesn't just US crazy. Whenever you start like dreaming the dream it just I got to know? Someone has worst ideas than I do out. There has been very comfortable. Had something else I was GonNa say what it. This is all counts. Come into play. Yeah yes Well you know having a bite to end this key bleeding but I for you I really elect you keep believing what were you saying. Crap both praise tell the fuck off again. I guess Donald Hannity Smile.

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Ep 1: In the Mind of a Mad Man with Jeb Corliss

Keep Bleeding Podcast

1:49:58 hr | 1 year ago

Ep 1: In the Mind of a Mad Man with Jeb Corliss

"Grant Hannity and everybody thank you for checking out my new new podcast. Keep bleeding I mike. And in this podcast we are going to be exploring chatting with people who have mastered their craft or jobber passionate requires causing blood. The heat that craft alive with that actually be physical mental or just having to continue to evolve and change their mindset to continue forward little backer myself. I Self I've spent the last twenty five years of professional be mixed by rider. A Hollywood stuntman in a TV host. I've traveled over sixty countries and I've worked jobs in just over fifty. Give them those experiences pertains to change the way I'd be world and give me the pleasure means so many people I really excited you guys. All these great stories is coming so again. Thank you for check this out and here we go someone in your helped you out or done something extremely kind and have you been recognized as humans are in your life one send them a message of thanks wall supporting a great. 'cause there's a growing movement of people spreading kindness making a positive impact Juliette my buddies over humans movement right now going to kind humans dot Com. Celebrate the time in your life and hope raise a million dollars for some great causes kind human celebrated gooden humanity humanity by cultivating a community of kindness promoting conscious consumption in always giving back right now. They're building a marketplace. For sustainable socially responsible products we can make back to our day to day purchasing actions. Go check him out kind. HUMANS DOT COM pick up some kindness and pass it on today. Romy chatting with wing suit based jetted corless although I had already known about Jeb through the action sports world it wasn't until we both became GOPRO sponsored. Athletes thinks that we really became friends. Jimmy is always seemed like an introvert based on most of my transaction with him is Adrian Jackson's because that's what it felt like but this podcast I just showed me a whole different side of him and what felt like a different or new job from what I might have previously thought about him or had if I had to describe him someone else us right off. The Bat he gets into mental health teenager was sparked his interest in one of the most dangerous activities in the world. You tell stories about tragic desam. Friends is being alive later. African mountainside bleeding in waiting to die trump to hear him talk about his bright outlook on life in his concert. Goldie sets by breaking records and doing things. Most people don't even understand even me. It was a true pleasure and really intriguing book inside the mind of a genius disguised as a madman. This JEB corliss morning. Hey man how are you good. Thanks for doing this today. Not spot this podcast originally started because I wanted to talk about these people. Who have these jobs require a certain it kind of perseverance to continue to do and when I thought about what I was thinking about who would be great for this and your name came up? And I'm like is that is that one to gnarly gnarly having because the other ones and a lot of injuries and there's so much with what you do being a wing suit base jumper. There's so much death surrounded by that. I mean for some reason. I've just been in the epicenter of the earliest scrapped. That could ever happen. which hopefully by the end of this will understand WH- continues to drive you to continue to do you do for me see I understand it because I know a lot of I don't I don't I do? A lot of us are cut that from the same cloth like to an extent. It's just early. That cloth is I think individually jump around a bunch. When did you start base jumping in? How how did that become a thing because when you started it wasn't super like like it is now wherever on who who who sees on? TV Your Youtube. But he's like I'm going to jump off a cliff. I started for reasons that were not necessarily positive. I suffered from come to realize now older and looking back on my life and I started actually writing a book about this exact topic and Adams started writing this book and I started going through the earlier experiences and the choices. I made the things that I did. I started realizing that I had been suffering from a very serious serious mental disorder. It's weird I just realized I had seconds. SELF-DIAGNOSIS ESL DIAGNOSIS I. I realize this from the things I did how I moved the choices I made made. I had serious serious psychological problems that I did things and I think I was trying to cope with mental illness. I I think that's really what it was and and I wasn't into drugs I don't drink don't smoke. Don't use any drugs of any kind and neither do I actually never have. I drank when I was in high school for about five seconds. Yeah Yeah but I I. I've never done drugs Memphis. Laura Cigarette late that probably makes you one of the most people facing me and it and it for are now. It's a little bit different because everyone has feelings but like in the nineties that it made people uncomfortable. Don't they do more like they didn't they know. I don't know how to deal with that of all the things that made me weird and I'm very weird. That's the thing that makes me weirdest thing that people response you in the most negative ways actually. I don't drink super weird restraint and I can't tell you how much I I can understand that what to give you an idea. I've come to the realization that I was dealing with psychological issues shoes and in my teen years I dealt with suicidal problems like I was incredibly suicidal. I I know what it feels like to literally be at the absolute dark as midnight niece and my sixteen so I would have been early nineties and like probably ninety one ninety two and I suffered from serious depression like I was going to kill myself. Like there's just no question was coming and in one of my darkest moments. This was my most. Just people don't understand if you haven't experienced true depression as hard for people to grasp the the magnitude of it. A person who is truly depressed doesn't give a shit. I obviously had friends committed suicide. And Yeah we have discussions. How do you have kids and the only thing I can think of is that you're so deep in whatever is going on with you that you can't there is nothing else there's nothing else? There's nothing of this is. This is for me. I didn't want anything. I didn't care about anything there. There was no like oh in the future. There was no future. If you don't want anything if you don't care about anything if nothing matters not anyone else or yourself in the end you get this sense ation of like why do I exist. Why am I here? Why am I wasting time off? Feels like every day you wake up. You're in this just lack Jarque de poll. We're just not there is no is impossible to describe it. Like when you go when you're experiencing experiencing it and I can look back on that. There was no reason for it. There's no reason to be as upset as I was. I had nothing going on. That would just by life being so depressed and I think a lot of teenage life was probably pretty good. It wasn't that'd be now back like wow was it was at the time I I just you know. I think teenagers through these hormonal shifts in their bodies their their mental state shifts. They're going through and hormonal problems. Home's really more than anything and I don't know that you don't know what's going on all you knows you're suffering and I wanted to be released from my suffering. That's all I wanted. I just didn't want to be here and I saw a documentary. I saw a documentary of a man named John Vincent who was standing on the edge of the cliff and it struck me instantly like the second I saw him standing there. I all of a sudden like perked up and was like what is he doing and all of a sudden I saw him step off the cliff and we stepped off the cliff. It's early like lightning. It was instant like like that is perfect. That is the most perfect thing anyone could ever do. I'm just shaking my IRA. I saw as this incredible activity liberty. I actually goes back to when I was a kid. When I was a kid I dreamt the flying and I had people tell me? The flying was physically impossible. I will tell me you can't what do that when you get older. You're gonNA realize I think dulce don't understand narrowing realize they're smashing people's dreams they don't even realize taking a child crushing rushing the dream right out of and what happened is by the time I was sixteen. My dreams had been so crushed out of me that I didn't have dreams anymore. And and when I saw that man standing on the edge of that cliff jumping off that dream flooded back in and all of a sudden. I'm like they were all wrong. DOC people can fly. And I'm going to do that till the day I die. I saw this very special soul. If I die while doing it I was released from suffering on this planet. You know so. There were no consequences for me if I succeeded if I didn't I didn't die. Well I was able to do something that very few other human beings in this world are willing to do so for me. It was a win win situation with the idea of a really dangerous because because as you know base jumping requires a lot of patients patients and skill and what's the word. I'm looking for just being smart about decision making and some of your suicidal you'll die. Yeah because you're just like we'll doesn't matter you're going to die. I'M GONNA fly mortgage after remember. This was the mind of a sixteen year old suicidal person right. So what's interesting is that had had. I not seen it and had I not had that thought I would abduct my wouldn't admit eighteen years. I sure there's no question I would not have made it. So what happened was really strange so at that moment. It's not like it didn't it. Made me stop being depressed. That's not what happened but what it did. Do you gave me something I wanted. It gave me a goal. Gave me a point of light off in the distance that would guide me through a very very dark period of my life and every single time I get really dark and really suicidal all of a sudden. I'M DONALD A gun issue myself in the head all of a sudden I just like no. Don't waste it if you're going to do anyway do it. Right do something big. Hey do something no one else has ever done some funny funny. But it's deeper allergists academia's crazy is that you know for people outside outside this little world they're looking at what you're doing is like you're trying to die and not realizing that that one thing was that saved absolutely there's no one hundred percent base jumping saved my life. I needed something like that. I needed something to draw me. I need something big and powerful and athletic. I needed something just bigger than life in order to keep me alive and I needed. I needed something. I was working towards ars in training towards and and getting to and it did what it did in this thing about base jumping. That's great is that you can't just do it and I have been what sixteen to just do it. I would in my WanNa made it. But the fact that I had to wait like I started calling drop zones that day like Sixteen Colin. Drop since I WANNA learn this gotta out of owners got to want to be in based on Bourbon. It is there how the sixteen like a couple of years you turn eighteen eighteen. You can come here and you go through training salads and Scott. Maybe you'll be ready to learn. Based on their like at that time there really courses horses. It's become a very proficient skydiver and once you get a skydiving. Maybe you'll meet a base jumper. Who Will the mentor? You don't you and I'm this is oh this is such the process. But it didn't matter because I wanted to do. I'm going to go through that process. That process was what was peop- keeping me asking you to be as keeping our aim. What was interesting is that that process itself helped? Give me the time I needed to start working through the serious psychological problems I had now I want by the time I actually got to. Skydiving was two years later in eighteen. Eighteen I she's got is and then I started training joins me Scott could get to base jumping and at the time. I didn't have very much money. I worked in a movie theater to die the save money you go to a job. Save money goes up almost three years to get my license only twenty five jobs. You you most people who have money can handle two weekends. One we can do that. I I f. f. m. a. what we get we get some. We need some professional CORTEX. You would address this. I am not going to say the place where I learned how to do with a person who who who but I done three jumps at Paris and then ask two or three s and then I got Barrow Trauma Scuba diving in the Assia. Cortez so I couldn't do anything right so and finally got I'm going to get back and get era like a different version of Ben's basically I got down I wasn't right. Depots only twenty five feet or something and I was filming my friend beer efficient. So you ruptured eardrums yet will rupture I did something to basically basically inside my sinuses exploded them and then in your congestion and then I had polyps grow my sinuses lock yes reverse bought. I couldn't go up our verse block ruptured so I was done. And so I went to some mother undisclosed location in the country and so he was like all right well. We're going to go out first job. I'm just GONNA I'm GonNa hold onto you. We're GONNA go out. You told me what to do. Second Second Josie. I'M GONNA put my hand on your back just stable out the door and then third jump. He's like no. I'm not hold you go out and four jumped he goes. You know what I kind of got some stuff stuff to do today so this is what you need to do this. Jump and so the four Dow in this thing I was like I was sweating in the dorm. Yourself I myself this is gnarly Liam. I'm doing this I'm doing this. I'm like I'm getting out of the plane. The light and the light turns green and people are gone and on third or fourth. Here we go and jump out. I sued dive out. The second I drove out and the four momentum had stopped. And I'm you know what I mean. Just dropping I was like this is it. This is everything and so I did like However many X. amount of jumps I did and then I was signed to a license and FM? So first weekend I can go on. That was my. That's my story. Allied allies not normal by the way now that step and I think that that's not a lot a lot of other skills able to transfer to win town tunnel time and time. There wasn't a lot of time and I had a ton of talent helps but any event so what I realized. Is that the process of going through learning to skydive. Getting to that point become base jumper. I was able to work a lot of the issues that I had for my teen years and I was able able to. You know that time gave me the ability to start seeing things with a better perspective and I started becoming happy and what was interesting that by the time I got to base jumping. I wasn't suicidal suicide anymore. I no longer wanted to die. I will no longer wanted to kill myself but how I came to this really weird crossroads because all all of a sudden I got into base jumping and I started doing very dangerous things and at that time. This is late nineties That would be late. Nineties nights sorry based on anything in ninety seven before Youtube. Oh it right and so it wasn't like you could just go on the Internet. It wasn't when you could just see people jumping exit which is like a spot on cliff. They you the people jump from so you didn't know someone does well. I'd seen that few documentaries about it and I was at the drop zone Paris actually and I think I had like four or five Scott is at the time forty five and I think my first patient was around sixty. He's kind of why I don't know this is what happened. Forty five Scott and I was talking to anyone like. Hey you've been base jumping anyway. Anybody anything about base jumping and once somebody like. Hey you stop any Niamey's and he is the one of the basic research they build base gear and they do courses. I'm like horses. There's course I can take. They're like Yeah Talk Dante and she's like oh well she happens to be standing right behind. You brought our anti and Halliwell who was like basically the mother of base jumping mothercare modern-day bass drumming who is it and how wonderful woman and I go up to New Zealand's Linda's very big New Zealand accent and I really liked to learn base jumping. She's like Oh great. That's we teach courses and so we have of course going next week at at this time in a she's I but I need to ask you guys you have and I'm like well about forty five. And she's like okay she's like we won't take anyone through our courts who has less than in two hundred got is. She's like so what I suggest is jump big sentence so canopies work on an performance if you get off heading openings work on them while flying she's at work on your landing performance moments. Make sure he'd like pick a spot and land on that spot and come back to me and you've got two hundred ups. I'll probably see you next year. You know so. Good Luck Fun. Yeah and I'm the psych. At that moment I adjust gotten a job. Like graphic arts job in my new. My mom got remarried new Stepdad and it was he had this company and he wanted to graphic artists so I got hired. I was getting paid way too much money for something. I really sucked but Gareth name. I never have been guards. Lots of the money to go jumping so I- three months later. I came back with one hundred and fifty scots. So you just enjoy the bucket like that as much as time as I had in between all of the work I had to do. I did as many as possible and I came back three months later. The one hundred fifty and I'm like any you know I just did over one hundred jumps use like in the last three months. I'm always which is I believe that one hundred jumps in a few months is better than Tun jumped over a year. They possibly I all I know. L. IS I just wanted to jump her. Your sewer her and I asked Anne. I'm like please can I just start now. I just WANNA start another fifty jumps Gel. Tell what s by partner. Who is todd often as the partners at bazars? So I'll ask him and see if he since you did so many jumps short period time. You're so current as you annual focusing on what I taught you what I told you on. I'm like absolutely I'm landing exactly where I need to land so like. Okay fine. Two days later she calls me and she's like okay. Todd it's okay you can start this day Blah Blah and where. Where was this course at embarrassed at Paris based course at Paris yet at that time there were no legal objects in the United States? As we didn't know about the Prime Bridge at that point everything was totally dark. Totally illegal totally. Not Okay so for them to teach what they did is Saito got a hot air balloons so they would heights four hundred so they would want us. Yeah they were not a real story in Israel so they would they would tether a hot air air balloon rate down quickly and bring it up and he wouldn't move. Yeah I four hundred feet taller based on vignette before I and the way they don't start with based they start with bungee jumping so they had done is created a harness that you wear right and you get hooked into the back of the harness instead of anywhere else. Yeah I did ten bungee jumps in about two hours just one after the body position by accident and once they so you had a good accent and you held it through all the way to the Bungee cord taking you. They then gave you a base rate that you packed yourself so the day before you actually. They didn't get him learn. And you pack your first jump because packing a basic is way different than packing. It has got way more involved way more technical and way more perfect nick and so what happened is they gave me the rate that I packed and they took me up to four hundred fifty and what was funny that Paris this day had Marie me layer four hundred feet or above the cloud. But you could see under it and they still you still. John still jumped and so we see. We're not jumped. I couldn't even see the ground looking down. Sound like I love to talk. Talk was the one doing the actual jumping course and I'm like is this okay. He's like yeah. Yeah you feel down there you can land any direction. There's no win I'm like like what about the what about the tether. The blue on this Johm when when you do your job is a hand held et Cetera. So He's home of the pilot data that explain to people with that means is there's a pilot Hsu that's attached to a bridle attached to your main canopy and we jump off. He's holding onto that pilot. She which means it pulled out your parachute right away. So there's not that much free fall time so it's horror free to go head down or you know mess or take too long to pool. Basically it eliminates a lot of the mistakes malfunctioning. And then you being scared because you're terrified so the first jump was a pca a then. I landed back down in the second one was hand-held I went to handheld then I came back the next week and we started doing justice. Thousand Feet slider up so it was a multiple week course. That probably took like six days and very in depth and I learned a lot about especially really him. He saw that. I was unhinged a little bit like mentally unstable guard was better. I was associate anymore. Because because you're somebody's chasing this too and I was mentally unstable dollars to it. I had psychological issues. There's no question I did and I was trying to work through them and this is how I was trying to work through them. I we needed this for some reason to work through mental problems and I I was doing that any understand now saying which was basically off the Golden Gate Bridge Age. And he's like do you haven't gone through the courts yet. You know I was so ahead of myself. I'm where I WANNA do. And I had all these visions ideas and plans of writing jetskis off waterfalls like football the crazy so I was. I had a list of his jump off the Eiffel Tower fee. Just listen to me going. Gone to court. If you're going to like this this Mike you know doing this. My first base is so much different than yours. I did offer bridge. That's actually my first base Johnson. The real base and to be climbing up the decline. The steel I mean out was scarier. I remember my fear slipping and I couldn't and I was like hold out wider. I beans on those guys are gone. I was like I'm going to die and that transition from the IBM data. And I was like I'm GonNa die before I get up and that I just wanted a hand held yours one. I made a mistake. Include the gun embattled landing my brand new book and it's kind of a breeze and so you know you're basically you're on trail on the side of the hill right Jay. Iraq's I'm here with Jaguars on both sides of it and he's just a little walking trail he went a little long. And if you go along there's actual trees down there so he was going along so it's weird. The mistake I made is such a rookie mistake that now. I know I wouldn't even thought my head to what I would have done and so I thought okay. Why don't belong all one turn gone full tournament at three sixty six eighty landed back up into the way we are inside their sixty sixty? I've missed the trail slammed into the rocks in between the water and the thing nasty roll. Roll my able the rip like not bad and when you get there you're like literate and get out of here you got. You got a ways to rounded. I'm doing well. There's poison oak down there to what's your I don't remember but also island right in front of a tree so the canvas stuck in the tree and they're big and I've got I've got like a role. They live this slam. I handle the ground but yeah but I remember thinking like Whoa this. What in my head was such a simple thing? It was like I. They like one. Turn and everything could have gone so terribly wrong. Absolutely you know and not and the excitement and the energy from just knowing you do it if I was sat back and go. Oh we'll we'll let me just do half a turn and you did in the dark no dear right early. In the morning all first light was first light on interesting so I only have bridges. I got weeded out on unintended twice and bridges. And then before I quit I know Klis no class before equipped patient okay. You're smart clear when my daughter was born that smart as responsible responsible I mark thing. I don't have a judgment genuine else but I thought for me. I never GONNA be current enough base jumping to be as safe as I should be. Yeah right and I felt like was that like few seconds of fun worth my daughter not having a Ding. Because I wasn't put enough time time into it like I believe that. I believe that there's like when people say something super dangerous like I don't have that. Doesn't that is irresponsible comment by someone who doesn't and understand the facts right like if you're scared US get educated. It's less scared right. That's true most it doesn't make it less dangerous but makes it but you can. You can balanced that. Were the level of like irresponsible. And and you know what I mean and so I'll tell you what day to go with that point I would say I've been a lot of dangerous things or what people perceive received dangerous young. What you're talking about riding motorcycles and you realize with the right preparation the right mindset the right training the right amount of time put into it you you can do that pretty safeway climbing you get into anything dangerous again with the right training right preparation right? Everything you've actually presented Big Wave Surfing lately does go sharp diving. You think all those dangerous and then you start learning after doing it for actually. This really. Isn't that bad. If done right. Base jumping was the first thing I got into right right thought. Oh this is super dangerous and then I did it for a decade and realized not only is every bit as dangerous as I thought it was this. This is about ten thousand times more dangerous and I could have ever imagined so at what point so speaking of that. And what point did you start feeling when when your friends started dying because it couldn't have been really couldn't have been too long after you've started in cliffs and things that some of the people were knowing in meeting in this industry started don. What happened to my base course? It was completed in anti brought me into a room and in that room refrigerator covered in photographs. There's just pitchers covering and she's like Jeb. I WanNa tell you something. I'm not trying to be negative. Just going to let you know facts. Every single person on his refrigerator's dead and every single one of them died base jumping. So that's fact she likes to watch you realize that what you're getting into. It's very very serious and you need to take it very very serious and when somebody tells you something like that you're like Oh yeah okay I get it this dangerous you know especially the young kids get sanders right and you do kind of then. My first trip abroad I only had nine base jumps. At the time I went to Norway and my the very first experience was jumping jurors and on my thirteenth base jump I decided they wanted to do a gainer and their dislike and todd never gainer before and he's getting. He's my instructor and asking him how to do this. I don't know just Ron and put your hips and sky and it'll go through. I'm sure and I'm like all right so I go for my first off the cliff. My hips this guy. Stall on my back falling on my back I flip over on facing and class turn and I chop away and I land breath as I land. Another guy off was part of this expedition and he laughs next meeting. Of course he's making fun of me because what I did was really terrible audios and as you say they're making fun of me all of a sudden they're Geragos on this little peninsula and it's all surrounded by fjord walking up and there's a boat that picks us up takes us back to where we go and there's people on the boat and they start screaming at me. They start screaming beach. Run now run on the beach. We need help now. What what what like with was older as I get his late fifties he had bad knees? I can't run. I'm like okay dude runs so I start running. I'm running. I'm running towards. I have no idea what's going on. Also run over this Little Hill and I see a man laying face down in the water but this canopy draped over him and I'm like and to me a good surreal minutes to get there and he's out he's drowned dude for Sir and running running morning and running and as I'm running I see basically come around. They just come grounded at full speed. Jump Out Abo- The guy flips him over and just starts bashing him in the chest as hard as he can. And I'm like and I mean I that point I've taken first aid and I'm like dude. You're not helping just hurting the SARS run over. I pushed the guy off. Bouma like back off you know. I showed him for pulse. I feel one but theory light pulse and he is not breathing. He's purple is purple and and he's been out for probably nine minutes at this point. I'd say he's been on. He's been around for nine minutes. His left arm broken and twisted around around backwards. His left leg was broken and twisted an abnormal position. His face was super lacerated. He was he. I was back very mass strike. He was going down wind and decided to do a hook. Turn to try and get back into the wind which we all know you don't do. And he basically hope turn himself and his canopy and he hit the hit. The water in about is say maybe six inches of water. He had just on the shore at in canopy him hit the ground grounded exact same time many. He basically bounced so I flip them over. Don't checking them breathing. I lifted chin. Go for rescue breath as I blow to his mouth vomits blood and just nastiness into my mouth but he starts reading sounds was blocking a little boy was blocking so I cleared it vomited. My mouth was lovely. He started breathing but very like gas. But that's it at that point. I'm like Okay Anne any land next anti land. She's a registered nurse so she instantly hits the ground she takes over. The boat had bat board. They were set up for this type of accident. Because we're based aged you know we put it on their hell he gets there within maybe ten fifteen minutes get him in the Halley he gets out of there and that was my first base jumping experience traveling the world and the Gino. How whatever happened to the guy he survived? He had a broken femur broken shoulder by stuff in his shoulder crushed. He'll like is left. IOS crushed type. Dust basically had slight brain damage for not too bad considering how. How long is our? How long is I have a very cold? And he did. He suffered only very mild brain damage I saw and again. I think almost a decade later at Bridge Day abridged in this dude runs up and tackles means is coming these all my God. Oh my God I didn't recognize him. He's just like he's like you say my love. You say Whoa Whoa. WHOA are you talking about what did I do? And then he reminded me. And I'm like Oh chimp. How're you doing then? We started talking and it was really cool. That was my first experience in base jumping and I can say that since then I have seen I mean that was just a mild was mild compared to what was to come and and that was just get right and then I watched people start to die and I still did get And then I got seriously into their fall. Break my back in three places. All we were did that happen in ninety nine I had maybe sixty sixty base jumps. I was jumping not wings at this point just base. I was thinking all right but mostly skydiving on this action on this trip. The same trip I broke my back on. I had done my first base jump in a classic the classic I wing suit that was manufactured commercially from Birdman. anyways on that trip I did my first weeks as you based on and I was just going going going on that trip I did like thirteen new objects and I had done like a live jumping balls off that trip and ah I had two near death experiences on that trip and my third ended up really doing the bad and it was weird because I doubt in writing my book I've started realizing that that was ending and only one way that trump was not going to end without me getting hurt because of what I was doing how I was doing it. My mindset was just so oh I I was always operating if this is one hundred percent I was doing just above all one hundred and I was always going just beyond what I was capable of your mind with your mind with wanting more than you're still Moscow level and I was just I was too impatient. Just need now now now now now everything now. And I'm just chew hyped up ED which which isn't a which that train of thought for people who do things just isn't a isn't a Oh let's not a train of thought that just belongs thanks to you. That's ivory buddy but the difference is what you're doing yeah is the consequences are so much greater consequences or death and I shoulda died this his trip should have approximately five and you get a waterfall actually ended the later. I did a waterfall. I did fly proxy. But that's not where I got hurt. Okay I did get served the way suit. I had just done my first invasion at this trip. I actually got hurt jumping off a three hundred for waterfall. Called Howick falls in the closet towel and I was so in. Three three hundred is small. That's a small base jump. I mean I know there's like oh no but for a normal person on the few jumps to me. I'm like I'm I'm not doing that. Well they give you an idea where the next year three hundred feet was high for me I was doing triple reverse flips and three hundred feet. I got to a level where I went way. A beyond three hundred feet to me was huge by again. But you're right through the general base jumper three hundred feet as hand-held you on Golan throw it generally it's very very low. Object is super dangerous. I mean from the time you jumped at a time your from your time you jump to the time you are landed safely hound seconds is up depends on how long of course I believe when you're doing like you verse flip. I was having tense canopy rights so maybe about three hundred thirteen jumps. So you have you. I would be pulling in three seconds because I'd be using that altitude flips parachute wouldn't open candidate on. I can't believe it's ten seconds. I was normal for me. That was considered very normal at the time. But this is before that so this is that that came along that came a year after what happened to right now right now I was still doing. Stables has doing gamers very. Aw That's insane. I was ready to Doug reverse lip. Wow Wow gonNA anyways. I asked serious mental problems but in any of that I only the AD sixty bishops. But that's right after my Gainer did off the cliff. I did nothing but gain from that point forward I was thrown gainers on everything. And that's insane for someone with that low experience and I didn't didn't have a background in gymnastics. I was going I this I was shot and then it was insane. No air awareness on wizard. I just had cap or Cap. The storm from my bellio find the earth's that's all it was but in any event on that jumbo doing acrobatics. I was going hand-held I for some reason was under the impression with safe jump. 'cause I'm landing in water Dr Tebas. No helmet no pads of any kind sandals. You're talking about which is more dangerous. 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Actually I turn away from waterfall. Mike and I thought like I made I the Guy I got. I got moving away from the waterfall. I'm good it all of a sudden I feel something touching the back of my feet as the water and touching the back of my knees and then it just sucks man. Oh because we're on the term attorney asks turning on your legs it's one of my legs grab them and suck me suck man it collapses my canopy and I fall behind the airfoil so as I go back behind the waterfall I looked down. I just eat you and I look down and see this ledge of rocks and I'm white and I am sitting position because the canopy had Saturday obviously shot through he's clutch inside the larval. And I go through. I impact at First Ledge with so much force that I couldn't believe a human body hit something that hard and then continue to live it was it was so shocking the impacts that I hi my back is broken English. I fell to just under leave. You survive in this. Life is not to say it cracks me away way too. I just not the life out of me like you continue to fall beginning. So hip allege break my back I then leave. Why fall forward impact a second time breaking my whatever this is solar plexus clavicle this thing check all the thing holds all your ribs together together and got a crap that breaking them syrup? Yes my bright my stern with most of my ribs on that side ship t hyper send my left. I've known my right knee and bright my left foot on the second and back then I drop head first for who knows how much altitude and impact water and and when I hit the war. Luckily there weren't any rocks. I would have been dead on impact for sure head to water and I just feel a force in the waterfall. Just pushing me under and you got a few tests you yes yes I am versus which is just like a giant anchor is terrible. But I wasn't even thinking about that at that moment the it was weird because he owned this shows. How mentally unhinged I I was and how absolute burn passion focus but I would also just based on the injuries I've had especially the long ones that take a long time from started? I bet that was all in real l. slow-motion all time Zuma took forever in your head. You get everything everything is stretched everything is and you see every little thing that tap and it feels like forever but in any event I I'm underwater and I thought that went through my mind is candy with all your test like I knew my back was broken. Mike Paralyze I remember wiggling my toes and once wiggled. My toes paralyze swim bums are basically again. That was literally the only thing I'll be able to have order so luckily I was positively buoyant at the time you're fat I was. Ah legit you just call. It is Chevy at the time I would like two hundred pounds little big and I floated to the surface. Luckily invite if I could ever points in my life where I was really skinny and I was negatively buoyant. I would drink for sure buddy. Clocking just went up as well. So you're saying this now's a good time and meet up followed a water if you if you've been eating time anyways I've folded up to the surface and when I flooded surface I was at all. I was thinking about that moment breathing like I just needed air. I just needed air and I remember my nose above my lips Octavian Little Brat and then it would only back under is that well it really able to keep myself up so we will just come up give little breath gonna go. Oh back down and get a little breath and this process went on for a while as the current push me downstream. Eventually it pushed me to the show so so it pushed you out of the waterfall. It pushed me. Waterfall pushed me all the way to the edge. I couldn't swim so it pushed me. I've got to the edge. Finally kind of shallow enough water to kind of like just be leaning on it leaning on Jay rocks and that was win. Try to stand up like I'm like okay. I need to get out of the water and I remember remember. It was a very bizarre sensation to try to stand up and not being able to move crazy. I couldn't move at all and I remember just showing with all my might Iraq myself and I just couldn't do it and I'm just laying there going. Oh God and then. I don't don't know how long I was there before. I start feeling the animals crawling on me. What honey animals? The water is filled with these little freshwater crabs and they and when I hit the waterfall at a huge slash my ass and I was bleeding quite profusely under the water and it was attracting these little crabs and they started eating me alive. You've gotta eat alive by crabs for three hours while I waited for rescue out at you. They're eating your ass. Yes it was very Could you feel it eh. Or is this shock thing everyone talks about. I felt every single thing. Nothing I mean every bite every leg. Everything touching I felt was three hours. I'm GonNa give you one hour from my friend to get down me. He call a rescue. We were jumping in the evening so so they could bring in a chopper. They had to bring a team They haven't crossed the river with me which was a raging class five rapid normally river so it took them him two hours to set up the cabling system. They were to use the the across the river so he with an hour. He dragged me as far as he could out order. You're the only one out there. Jumping knows another guy who gun jumping. After seeing what happened to me. He had second thoughts decided not to pursue. Oh see I tell you why it's jumped either. By any event the rescue took. It's already gets me Pony Pony Up. Wrap me and my canopy couldn't talk is. The sound of the waterfall was just way too loud so he didn't realize the crabs were coming and doing nasty things to me and the crafts found their way up up into the canopy sort of the next two hours continued to eat me while I waited for the rescue team to get rescue team to me. Put me on a backboard. Put me in like this little sledding. The thing they're like twenty guys we're taking take turns carrying me. The first thing that is you know where don't worry serve me some morphine. Everything's GonNa be okay and morphine. Don't do that and the guy looked at me like I was absolutely insane. And he's like Sir. You're we don't know what's wrong with you but we're pretty sure your hips are broken. We know you have broken bones in your legs. We think you're back could be broken. You absolutely need morphine. Like we're GONNA be carry you out of here balancing you off. Every single rock for the next eight hours is like so you need to eight hours. Yeah I think it's actually only like six. They did it quicker but he was exaggerating time. I think but in any event the whole thing to nine hours from beginning to end on social mill early memorials for my it was almost daylight it was now. It's still dark still dark because we we we started. I think it was. I think we starting around six nights Sunday nights at three in the morning. Get back something like that in any events He's like morphine. I said No. He didn't take that as well. You'RE GONNA have to give me a good reason because you know we're gonNA give you morphine if you can you tell me your current heroin addict now the set you know what man. Aw I need to be able to tell the doctor what hurts them. I get them injected. Pinault's going on so sorry I do get light. I can take the pain. Just let me go and tell me that in six Arizona Arizona at sure enough six did experience was on a level. That's impossible to cry but that was the beginning of me. You know it's interesting because that accident. You know a lot of people consider that to be a terrible thing that the worst thing that could cost it would be like. Well obviously you. You need to do something else with your life. Well the doctor said like in the ICU. He comes in. I tell you what the question I've had. Doctors tell me that coming in for Andrew so much and the second second doctor says that on Mike while you're no longer my doctor well what he asked me. He's like he's like. I bet you never do that again. And my response was the only two things in this world are prevent me from base jumping or Quadriplegia or death. And he's like well. I guess jumping patched up so I didn't events the one thing that was really interesting about that experience. I think I think that is what saved my life in the long term. There's shoe things about that accent. That were amazing for me one is it made me realize it's one thing for people to tell you get hurt doing this. It's another thing to get hurt doing this. Dude a broken ankle to you know. That's nothing nothing so it's only it takes six weeks to get better so even solid tastes six months to get from. That's nothing now. People people when people tell me it's crazy and you're just like normal. Those are those are all things that you can you when you're like. Oh this is going to stop. You broke your ankle. How many times enough injuries too? I did a thing actually the other day on instagram. I just try to list of injuries in a minute and later I came with a almost another minute. I realized realized that it never even occurred to me that they were to me the way I said this before but when people like Oh how do you continue to do this to get hurt and I I try to explain splendid your job you go to work in the morning in my job. I go to work but I know every day for sure. I'm gaining three car accidents and every day I don't know how bad is it going to be. They're just that is what that is. Just what it takes to get to work at Disney. So when I think of all my injuries Mikey I had this in this business. They all seem sort of mild piano. But when you listen out and seeing people's responses it sounds insane is only. How do you even walked? No it is but it's a mentally but with the injury you're talking about is something different than I've ever had. That's like it's an injury so so unfathomable that you should have died from hairless paralyze you. How do you come back from Matt and go? Let's put myself in the same position again for that to happen again. And the only thing I can think of for me because I know the way I think is like all right. What happened that? I need to get better or smarter with do. I need to learn the activity of wind around a waterfall. Do I need to learn the ear. I mean what is it that I need to learn to make sure I don't fool myself in that situation. I think it has a lot to do with passion right. I think every single person is looking for that thing that gives them purpose like a a reason to wake up in the morning. A reason to drink water food you know exist. Why are you here and I think that big period of depression that I went through where I didn't know why I was here? I didn't understand why I was here and I felt this incredible emptiness because of it base jumping filled that that void is filled. That emptiness was something that gave my life meaning and purpose and when I got injured it wasn't a thought of. Oh will I do do that again. It's like I'm only getting better so I can do that again. The only reason on doing rehab. The only reason I'm hitting the gym three hours a day seven days a week. The only the reason why I'm doing this is so I can do that again. People understand that those things for some people doing these things are like. It's not looking you're not trying to die. You're you're trying to live as purpose. Yes to three to continue to be who you are as a person. Those things are mandatory north. Well for something for certain people and the thing I. I've seen that there are some people who need these types of activities to be happy MHM to exist and for me it was. I'm very happy that I found something. That was more important than you than my own life if something that I was willing to sacrifice my wife for a gave my life purpose and I think for a lot of people. If you don't have something you know for some people's dancing for some people and seeing for some people are children for some people. Everyone has something different than hopefully. You'll find hopefully find something you know that you're so passionate about you're willing to sacrifice your life for it just so happens for me. It was base jumping for two decades. You know twenty years this beautiful. I love affair with something that gave my life meeting and and helped get me up off my couch and Sydney out in the world to experience this planet exit because it has taken you all over the planet all done. I mean we're GONNA get to this part short. I just WanNa touch on someone else. Because I know there's things that I'll put up with right and then and if you WanNa talk about this is fine but you experience something that very few humans could ever experience while a wing suit jump with a friend of the bridge. Yeah Yeah and is that something we can talk about okay. So maybe it's just how do you explain it because I don't even know where to start with that because it's something that happened to you in mentally would put someone else in. PTSD for therapy. Yeah and what. It was extreme by the time this happened. It was two thousand three and I'd seen a lot. I've been through a lot. I've watched already washed a lot of people. Die At this point I I already had a lot of friends. Die At this point and what happened was so extreme and so unbelievable that I never could have imagined and it like you get to this place about okay. What we dangerous? I get dangerous but all the deaths are pretty their product similar but they all kind of live in the same world like an exit. Saudi happens. And there's you come across you have to go. Yeah get this person. Yeah well this was. This was a bit different front end. End I'm not going to go into the logistics of how this began but the simple statement is my buddy dwayne. He and I have been friends for many years at this point. And we've been travelling together. We were planning on to me. More trips. Actually read the trip to Bali plan for like two months later and we're at invent as the basically the highest suspension bridge world in Colorado and was something called go fast games they brought in like sixty. The world's best base jumpers to come jump off this bridge and they asked me you know hey can fly under it and at this point nothing like that ever been done known ever flown under stuff and I was like yeah absolutely is Louie. La Point gotten very comfortable in it and my new I could do it. The British high enough. I knew I had plenty of two space. I could find her that bridge easily when I showed up on location I and I asked was hated Frisian to get approval to do this and I was told now didn't get permission. It's year maybe we'll do it next year when we have more time. Whatever so that trip dwayne i? We're doing the bunched together dwayne. At the time most people may not know who he is now but at the time he was a god he was the greatest face jumper. Who's ever lived even to this day? No one can come close to what he was. He was on a level beyond everyone. He was so good that it was literally mind. Boggling club the acrobatic maneuvers. He would do double twisting quad. Couldn't even pronounce what he was doing. And doing stuff and low altitude. It was crazy like what he was doing was absolutely crazy and he was famous for pulling in canopy rides over and over and over again the guy was a lunatic and he was in base jumping he was the best. It was but this strip for some reason he didn't want to do a bunch of back-back just wanted to me which I was like. Go you WanNa go chill and just wanted to capture footage and stuff and I'm like great. That's awesome you know. And I was doing my stuff which was very very mild compared to what he can do but he wants film it and I'm like well that's nice of you. Thank you so we were jump after jump together and use filming and last last day that you've meant was like three days long and on the last day last job I was GonNa do an acrobatic newer and he was going to sell it. But I'm looking for more. Do we're supposed to be I ten minutes already man and start walking around and all of a sudden I get to the packing area. And they're putting his wing suit on his rig and I was a little bit confused. I'm like it pulling soon on for her and he's like got permission. We're going to go out a plane. I'M GONNA fly over and you could flounder and I'm like and I thing that was odd. When did you become part of this? Because he wasn't Lincoln pilot he wasn't I mean. Last time I watch him fly wing suit. He was potato. Oh chipping and couldn't even make it over the river loose in which he wasn't that good in a wing suit he'd done very little skydiving in them and I was just kind of like Wa- arts and how come no one told me how you're putting your. I don't even know the outgoing. Doing the whole thing was weird. And it's like okay and I'm like what are you GonNa do like. What do you mean you're gonNA fly over the bridge on Jeff? Don't worry if I two hundred feet over it Unites Wanna fly over and take a look as you go under it and it's like seem weird. It seems out of character for him because he was this like Australian Super Hardcore always used very competitive very competitive. He always always had do something else so I thought it was odd but I'm just like well. I guess you fly over to two hundred feet open high. I guess you can do that. And why you want to. But okay but I wasn't up to the I died and I was just a strange things. I'm like okay so I don't get my greg get might get my soup or my winston beginning trucking out to an airplane we get on a plane and our flying over and it's kind of like Oh this is just odd odd like this the way this is being put together strange but okay and you know. There's a crowd on the bridge and I'm going to fly under. Its GONNA fly over like okay. We get some position and he seems totally Likud. Plainly seems kind of calm and he's telling about how his African a some kind of val timid battery was dead and he's like I'll get back. I need to get that fixed. The GEICO whatever and also get the door and he. He grabbed my hand. He says something really odd and he's just like Hagia whatever whatever happens happens. I'm just like what do you mean by that. It's weird I've done a lot of really gnarly shit with this guy and never had he said something something like that you can tell you. All of a sudden. He went from being super calm to being like scared. And why we shouldn't be scared right now. You're not you're should just be pulling. Hi this this guy for you. What are you what what's going on but I'm like okay and you really think much of it but I at the time? I was a little busy with well. It was about to do but I'm going to like okay as odd. We jump out. The pilot asked us to please roll out of the plane because the tail was low and at that point really scared wings whose popping up all right fine roll out of airplane. Sorry flying turn towards the bridge. I look at the bridge and I'm like okay ache and I can see that my line there were these power lines were strung across like in the front of the brain and I was going to hit those power. Cow Hippos Power Lines at this angle. So I started dumping altitude dumping altitude and once I see him. Come under the power lines. I basically start powering suit as I start piling up the I can see Dwayne Outta my peripheral for just a split second seem kind of up there. But then he's gone and the next thing I know I'm coming up. Should be coming over the bridge. The bridge bridge. So I'm aiming aiming aiming aiming aiming all of a sudden I come up underneath the bridge and as an coming up on the bridge I see something that was really difficult difficult for me to process at the time. 'cause everything's happening so fast you probably about one hundred twenty one hundred ten somewhere around there in the older suits is not that powerful but still we're moving and all of a sudden I see a parachute deploying in my face like on flying the there's parachute and a two point right in front of me. I can see it's Dwayne. I'm like and I thought that went through my head. Why is he pulling their like? What's happening? We're close to the bridge. I'm just came under the bridge underneath the bridge point in my face I have to literally turn to avoid. Hey Okay so as I turn I avoid annisten by five feet but I just go right by it as go by him. There's all this other debris in the air. There's all this stuff and I don't know what all this stuff is I'm like are people throng stuff off the bridge. What's happening? Why is all this going through like a a debris field now? We're going through all this debris on what is that and also I punched through all of it and now I'm through and I'm like okay. I can't think about that right now on onion right right now on now. Scientists Super Narrow Canyon that swerving on flying low. So I find for another hour may seconds I deploy my parachute and all of a sudden I'm open and unlike come in I land and as I land like so excited on my guns I see I flew gnarly at five hundred the bridge from. We're a under the bridge almost totally forgotten about all the other beers shit. That was going on and I was like so excited I was like such an amazing moment. I flew under the bridge and nailed it and all of a sudden. I look over and see Dwayne canopy slamming side mountain and I'm like Oh shit. Drenched Cliffs Strike and someone on the railroad tracks yells over to be no JEB. Hit the bridge. and He's dead and I'm like what and also I look over and I see a severed leg lying on the ground and as I say the severed lay down covered in blood and I'm like in all of a sudden I start realizing ising where he flew through what what just happened. And I'm like I don't know if you hear me in the video but no that's impossible that's impossible you can't hit at that bridge less you try. It's impossible you can't like is impossible and I just end and then I remember like it was absorbed because all of a sudden I felt like I was inside inside like this tube by kind of like everything was closing in on me and everything got like really quiet and all of a sudden walking and it's so hard to describe but everything just kind of shifted and twisted in every i. I didn't understand what had happened. And I was at it. Just by brain in a fairy weird place and I don't remember how I got back the top of the bridge but I remember being at the top of the bridge and the Buddy of mine. Jimmy Poucher sure forever. He's like standings and all of a sudden I got on my knees and I just started crying which is weird like I. Don't Crock ever about anything. And it just all of a sudden I distort crying like heaven and I'm just like I just couldn't understand what had just happened. It was so strange and then kind of weird kind of fog thing being in like I'm having to call care and telling her that he's dead. And you know the whole call and the family stuff and it was so heavy and just so intense and then end two weeks goes by and we're GONNA have as memorial at my house. I used to live in Malibu beach. And we're GONNA do is big memorial twins really in the surfing surfing. He loves surfing almost more than like jumping. And it didn't really dawned on me how heavy everything was until I stepped off my bed and I stepped on box and all of a sudden I'm like Oh shit and pick up the box. And it's his ashes and I remembered as holding the box with his ashes in it and going Holy Shit Man. Dan was out worst really. I mean really dude what were you doing and you know it was filmed with like eight different cameras so you see Z.. Everything I mean you can gauge you. Jesus place where you understand what happened now. It took me a while. It's progress. I know I know I have. I have two Atmosphere that you have to watch the put his understanding so you can have some Diane Watch over and over again if you ask one hundred ten to start understanding exactly what it was it was it I I thought you know I thought I thought he was better than he was. And I thought he was going for the small gap between steel. No he wasn't he he doesn't know what he was doing. It was the beginning of proximity flying. We didn't understand it yet and he could see what was going on. Its head and it was an inaccurate and what it was going on in his head is GonNa fly really inefficiently at the center of the bridge was aiming dead center that bridge and you can see that he's like really inefficient. I'M GONNA fly really inefficient tour. Sooner the bridge at the last second John Open up and just over it and he's not flying. He's like stalling. Zubieta head Hi. His winds pushed forward. He's he's Kinda out and then all of a sudden you see and dislike everything closed up right and then the last minute just what. He's like. Whatever maybe one hundred feet away so you see him open everything up as big as he can and what he does is if you really wanted to do this? Like veges say modern understanding how rocks envy fly. You would be flying at this bridge with speed. You be almost head down where you're just generating all this power side of your wings. And the last moment you just change change your angle to like a forty five and power and basically sweep your arms back and that will give you the power to drive over the top of the bridge. But what he did is he brought on his head forward like br brought his head up pushes arms forward push his legs down and stalled on and he's stall soon as slams right into the cables of Bridge Age Severin himself and a half. The power of his impact was so extreme that it sent vibrations through the foundation of Veggie Crack Foundation points and with a a huge impact and it was heavy. Man It was super heavy and is that hard. I can't imagine and I don't even like even hearing that story and I've never heard I just heard about that happening. They're hearing that story. I don't it's hard for me even though I mean I don't know if the listeners listeners think like how I could just talking about this but it's so to me that's so traumatic than I can put my brain in that situation to really understand what that it's it's it's I don't nope that's like a thing we have is humans. It's impossible to is impossible relate to it and I didn't meet someone who can relate to until my grandpa about it. It was very interesting because I came home. And you know I was. I was obviously suffering from something and I don't know what it was but I was not totally together and I was. I telling my grandpa about it and my grandpa said something really interesting to me because I tell him the story. I just told you. Listen to heated when that happens and it was like World War Two guys step on land mines in Bowling all over me multiple times Is like I know. Exactly what your generation. And he's just like get over. It was the same in Gilroy. You now you got life to live move on you know and it was very interesting. How how military and how intense like his response was just get over? Yeah then what do you do. You have a choice but to get over. You Pat what you've got to move on with your life that's all there is to it and that's why we can talk about it the way we are because guess what you have to get over it because otherwise you're not the only reason. Yeah Yeah in innocent thing and this is what I what. I came to terms with Dwayne Diet. It's sounds cliche. Oh he died doing what he loves right right. That's a cliche thing that people say kind of like Meghan. Okay push through. It's so dwayne was a lunatic. The Girl Dean Seen See if you can ask Duane. How would you like to duck? I guarantee you. His response is the way he career. You couldn't imagine a more perfect effort going straight out. That's the way he was period and I watched him On the line so many times over and over and over and then you would see him talk about it and there was no question that he could take his death. That's how he pick it. You know so another interesting thing about him. which and this is something he and I had told each other? And this is a weird one but we always said if I die on if we die. There's footage showed people I want Michael Donors Dan that but it's important `Super Porn I. I want people learn from what I I did and he wanted his. He wanted everyone to see it was his personality you know. Sap would meet what about your mom. She's going to have to see it that's all they're going to have to decide to not watch. Yeah but the reality is. It's out there. No she see it mom. My mom is watch what happens as I. I'm a person in who believes that people need to see this stuff. There's always doing is. This is a decision I made my life and if I die in the process of doing it people see that's and Dwayne was the same way and we had this kind of thing and it was again. He was an intense person. He died in a very intense way. And you know it took me a a long time to kind of come to terms with it and it's weird because when something like that happens and hitting the waterfall and many others that have ever heard with me. You do go through a period. It isn't worth it you know. Is this worth dying for you know. Is this worth risking everything for you know and through the last twenty the US twenty five years now last twenty five years doing this stuff you know. I always come to the conclusion that guess what. I'm I'm going to die. That's a conversation later because there's other things I want to talk about but let's talking about now is I don't know if you know this but but we ran into each other at the airport like ten times are the one yes. Yeah exactly ten times but I don't think in teammates go over years arrange thirteen to drop zone. Maybe like five or six times. I've run into you and every time I see you knew who I was doing something ratings of whenever ever again I would say how do you go to some guy who knows how much does he not like me. I'm I is this. How many times the highest until one time we were checking going somewhere and I don't know if we're we're separate we you're going to say yes we check in and then? I thought I saw your Radio Mary. Pertaining uh-huh oh. Hey Mike and I was like Hannity and so and then I go to the security and that's again and you're like yeah you want breakfast or maybe maybe I saw him in the breakfast place. We already eating with you and you talk to me in a way. That seemed different than any other time. I heard you talk about the way you do. And it was after your table Table Mountain and accident which I want to talk about and you said and I think he was. There was there was a summer two years ago where it was like fifteen winters died in just ten ten ten and ten is crazy right. I think it was somewhere around on there. And we were conversation about stuff and you said that there isn't a proximity flyer who hasn't who just so good at gathering it hasn't it hasn't hasn't yet you know and that was that stuck in my head about something like the mindset. You have to do the no that sinking like that. And you're still hiking up in exiting places. And did you. Did that. Have some detail now. Table Mountain changed. My life forever changed the way I saw things it changed everything. I grew up a table mountain before table mountain. I was a child tail melons. In South Africa is one of the seven natural wonders world. In South Africa. The mountain is named after the Cape Town. Basically word comes from tail now on the fog comes over it looks like a Cape so any any of that. It's a very famous very beautiful mountain and it's amazing for jumping and I actually base jumped it for the first time back in ninety nine and then I did the first wing sue flight often in two thousand to anybody ever done. They didn't think was possible at the time and I almost died. I almost went in on that. Jump to and there's some about that too because rings you jumps back then were so much more dangerous because the suits didn't fly flying you actually had to rea- really talented pilot to be able to exit now. The soup wants wants to fly themselves. Almost raser technologies so much better now in two thousand to two technology I was flying guy fire with little narrow wings. That's why there's more deaths because people with less skill L. can have this have enough to get off it now. I think there's more deaths because there's more people doing it of as many more jumping done I think. Even though the death toll is highlights silence more deaths happening I think per number of jumps being done. It's actually much lower. Just there are so many people jumping now has become a huge thing and back in that time back in two thousand they were making fifty you now. There's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds I mean it could be in two thousand. It's crazy whenever the drops in and I'll see a guy it'll hear him talking about. Oh we get some winston stuff. Yeah it's gotten it's exploited as it explodes the explodes but after after Table Mountain night. I had an accident detail mountain where I was training for a project. And we're actually filming. Hbo Before this happened saw tossed filling for HBO. They laugh and then I started training for another project and put it balloons and the goal is to hit targets in the blue balloons. He's Puna Turner balloon and you can actually Google like Jeb corliss table mountain crashes them balloons are on the edge of Iraq and they're really sticking three or four feet at the top originally was six feet but yeah then and then after that there is a considerable drop off rate so and and so the idea was hit. This balloon like six feet high off the off the rocks and and we're GONNA accuracy Reagan accuracy and the wind had blown the balloon to a second ledge underneath and it was only about a foot off the ground but from far away. You can't tell that human beings our vision really isn't designed. We're not birds were visions not been involved for millions of years for flying it out and something that we think we see things. Well we think we understand depth. We think all of these things and I think in your when you see that bloom flying. It's uh-huh you become so object fixated so like hyperfocused that everything else disappears nears aiming that one thing and that's good and I'm back now. Things are set properly bad when things are set up not properly and the wind blew it. Impacted the waste. I am newclimate. He clipped the edge into the cliff and then went into somersaults off the hit. Flat Solid Granite at one hundred and twenty four point three miles an hour on your hips at just below vaults and impacted and balanced and then tumbled visa when he tumbled he's GonNa hitting the ground on the ground. He tumbled back off another clip out into the open air. And somehow you got your parachute up I. It wasn't just that I had to fly so it wasn't just getting a parachute out I impacted and was was tumbling. I had to regain control and had a fly over a series of three ledges before I could open my parachute. Okay so I know that doesn't really show that and to keep flying in my head. I'm like how lucky was he that he that he got. Oh it was just got it. Something above your wasn't tangled. There was so beyond any of that because I impacted realized impacted realized I was tumbling I had to regain. Luckily I had all those decades of acrobatic training because without that academic academic training I never would have survived because I recovered from it instantly. I did like one full rotation with one full twist and Bouma back flying in the entire tire licey. Did you feel the impact that you feel the pain of the impassively or was it just overwhelming. I never have never experienced shock. I can you. I never spirit. Shock takes pain away ever. I've always experienced priced ovarian coming home. I gotta still alive well inflame either shocking. Walking thing was is. I believed after watching dwayne impact. And I've watched by that point at least a dozen people die like kind of like that and I was convinced that if a person hits flat ground at a hundred and twenty at terminal velocity that you're instantly on impact like there's no thought processing assessing more recently it's over so impacted and I knew I I knew instantly I had just gone in and I the most shocking thing was that I was still thinking that was the most shocking thing because I thought I just impacted. How the hell am I still thinking? I mean I just I just bounced at term of Velocity I. The guy should be dead and you have a CAIRN following you now. Karen Foam United Cameras at six cameras on me and tumbling and I start is weird because my brain did something strange. I've never had happened on any other jump. which is split into two parts so my brain went into two completely wheatley different places simultaneously and I had two simultaneous thought processes happening at the same time and one of the processes was just technical reading control? There's a ledge flight out ledge. Okay secondly I fly that you can't open till Yo Third Ledge. You must pass that leads just before you pull. And it's just doing this. Mathematics like the the technical scientific part of what needed to happen to survive. was that part of my process. which probably I would assume mm-hmm kicks in because at this point it's autopilot on auto but I'm thinking about it processing i? It is auto auto auto. I mean like you kick into that like this is what I need. This is what I need to survival mode. I need to do this to live but the other part of my brain was more of a philosophical philosophical conversation. And this is when you. We talked a little bit earlier about time distortion when very high stress. Very way basically you know you know the next couple of moments can be death. Your brain goes into a very unique place and it releases everything you have it releases all endorphins all adrenaline Ellen. All everything is basically trying to make you operate at the most optimum level possible to try to survive what you're going through at that moment and because you have got so much going every operating at such a high level it makes time feel like it stretches and in that stretch period of time you can have these inhabitation the tires -ation all our. How'd you time to do that all the time on the weekends? You feel like you have forever and and it's not for me when you're trying to take something it's not happening in also feels very desperate in that time. How can you not come on like it wasn't like it was like snap done? It was let God know. I'm going to get there. Can't do crazy it's a really. It's a willing weird place. You bring us Everyone's ever look people probably have never or had a well. I I did a show about times. Dorgan's actually very common occurrence really are accidents Hartson slot but any event the second part of my brain that was doing the kind of philosophical philosophical conversation. Was this idea of thinking. Oh you're could die. It was your debt You you are one hundred percent dead there is zero percent chance of surviving this. You have just gone in at terminal. Velocity your legs are destroyed. You you are dead. You have two possibilities right now you can have a quick death impacting again. Just don't poll and just go in head first it just make it over Or you can pull basically land all broken and bleeding and die during a halley rescue rescue. Because he's going to bleed out before anyone can get to you so may you'll get ten minutes maybe a half hour lucky but you're not making it the two hours take to get to the hospital it sort of your ear amount. I've been halley rescues. You're that you're going to get to the hospital harsh. But that's what's happening and if you can't stabilized for so that's you're dead so I'm like there's no way there's two options here I have a grip death or slow death. which do you want and that was what I was going to like? What do I want I wanNA I WANNA die slow in agonizing painful debt or I wanna make it fast and it's interesting because as having this conversation the part of my brain is doing the the technical stuff basically tells me you pull now for you? This is it this is this is the moment. Make a decision like right in our and department brains out conversation basis like Samsung. Get I get the pain. Let's just see but see how much time you can get if I can get five more seconds at one file can get twenty more seconds. I want a couple more minutes. I want whatever time I can get. I'll repair drew shooting pain. I bowl and I had a one and a half cent can't be right. Line twists second impact into the cliff. The second impact sexual broke my legs and with your print breaking legs and that person impact but I did break by what happened on the first impact that is what removed all of the muscle from my thighs and pushed him into my knees correct. Everything erupted a huge gaping hole. In My right shin. It blew out my left. Ace yielded completely exploded my left acl rogue all my toes and just did horrible things to me. As far as soft tissue damage is concerned by the time I just basically fillet it just crushed his smashed database just smashed cashed everything in my legs. Soft tissue bone stayed intact which was interesting The second impact broke my broke. My my Tibia often the smaller one. The one that's not very familiar with what happened in my left leg and broke both my ankles and multiple places okay femur breaks femurs recall at least but it was. The doctors called dig loving of my thighs the muscle. I've been ripped off the bone and push down pretty heavy and when I got to the hospital my legs looked like elephant legs like they didn't look real. It didn't look like an end slang when I got into the actual hostile. I mean of course rescue. Because you're you're on the mountain. People use horrible as bad as imagine it being there and the doctors I mean I remember I was kind of coming in and out of consciousness. Doctor You like like Oh you're gonNA live. No when I first got in there. They they they thought was worse than it was like. Look it's really bad. And and the doctor's like okay. This is probably a delegation. That was the first thing I heard was. They're gonNA taper off my lights like this. Looks like an double amputation. Now the first thing where are you know no god. That's amazing. I might not die. Does the first time during this whole peer dead zero percent chance thriving so when I heard w you either the chance I won't die really I mean how can you make a mistake like that and not great. Oh my God I was interesting my styles Diana so much reading books to read it and be awesome like I was stoked super excited then I heard another thing a little bit later which is the Dolly is is much X. Rays and stuff like I can't believe has broken just can't believe his legs aren't Broken Watch. I just can't hear him say that and I'm like I'm like I can't talk about me. It's it's not need help. And then the guy comes in and he's like hey we're GONNA do a couple more xrays focusing on some areas because we can't find broken bones which is impossible just impossible. Yeah so they went to a couple more stuff than I came back and the doctor was interesting because at that point I didn't know how everything was going to be but I I I did. I was GonNa live by the Mike Mike. Megan's you this. And then he comes in and he's like is all you know. You are the luckiest man on this planet. He's like okay. You're a broken fibula by. That was the only problem you had. Today we'd wrap that up walk out of here is all your two broken ankles again. We put him walking casts. You actually actually walk out because of that. We think we won't know until we put you under to do is adding oath Houston surgeries is when we go through sincerities. We're GONNA check over pretty. Are you sure you're left. ACL has gone. Think that that's GonNa feel normal but still they're probably going to be the longest term injury that you're gonNA have to deal with the thing that's most support right now the large gaping hole in your right Shin which is going to need skin grafting in order to you know. He'll his audacity base most pressing issue. Right now he's an you have massive like soft tissue damage in your legs. But all of that will he'll he'll you're gonNA leave here pretty much the same shape you came like before the accident you'll be able to run again. You'll be able to do everything again. I'm like what what's I could is. So it's hilarious. Because at the time I had become somewhat famous is the right word but I've been known before I got to the hospital title. There are over two hundred members from the media from all different press outlets basically bombarding the hospital. And they're pretending to be my mall and they're pretending to be relatives they're trying to get to the to do some interview. I'm wrong and not have any idea that this is going on dealing and now all of a sudden I didn't know this either but the hostile had a press a press person who deals with press which I was like. Why would a hospital have that as weird but she comes in and she's like yeah? I know that you know now you just had a traumatic experience. She's all but I need you to give me a quick something to say to the press like we're press compress we talking about is sell. You don't understand what's going on right now. Shall we have never in our entire time. Being air had this as much press come here I have to tell people even know it happened. People were filling with cell phones and without before I even got thoughtful man. It was everywhere. And she's like you need to say something to the press and I'm like you can tell them. This is the greatest day of my life the best day of my life and she just looked at me like I was absolutely insane. So what do you mean. I'm like I just kissed her. Walking out there sitting up at the micro and just big a press in a movie setback. I like your like your hire men like Jim like there was. This is the best day of the sheer some sort of ending to a movie. I think most people took it took it and not a good way but in any event they they couldn't understand that I had just gone from cheated doling. I was dead making the worst mistake being thinking you were going to be a double view. I mean all of a sudden realizing that I was going to be okay and I was going to be getting a second chance in life and you're gonna be playing soccer in six months is going to be and I. I was so grateful I couldn't believe it. I just was like and didn't really. I didn't learn anything anything at that moment. I didn't really start learning stuff until probably four weeks into laying on my back staring at the ceiling. That's when things I I is spent six weeks laying on my back in that hospital and then let the damage to my legs was so extreme that I couldn't roll over so I couldn't even get on my side like I had to lay down looking straight up my leg straightforward and the skin grafting you didn't have painting four surgeries to skin graphs. And I don't use pain meds and I don't know if you've you've never had skin grafting but if you ever hear the word skin graft just kidding just go ahead and into I I'm okay good enough life skin in grab. I've experienced pain. I thought I knew what pain was. Skin grafting is the single most horrifying thing. I have ever experienced periods. There is nothing in this hour talk. Auto it's horrendous is so her in this payment so for me it's extremely excruciating. Tertiary back like very bad and I got infections. I almost lost my leg another time or what. I went to take the hill from breath. I'm still young still win. It happened two thousand twelve thousand. So it's still. It's been seven years of healing for how long for the healing where you're like okay. I can function as a regular person sort of there. Were so many of those like I would. I learned to walk again and I was jumping in six six months. But I didn't have any and I was super crippled by. I gotTA Walk Again. I jump but I shouldn't have been. I was so injured. I finally got my acl reconstruction that November right. And if you've been our construction you know what that is so yeah well a year of to really Komo hard right got the reconstruction. Everything seemed like I was doing okay year ago at fourteen months. which is like when it's supposed to be good a lot happened so much and it's it's that way when you go through an ACL reconstruction? I don't use pain meds so I experience every bit and re having. ACL is very arduous. Very time consuming. It's your whole life freer is frigging horrible. And and into blow it again and realized I'm going through that again start over ZAP and I would say until I was strong enough to jump the way I was jumping before was probably three years and for me. What I realized is the getting injured isn't what it did for me? Different people react differently Because of my mental issues because I have psychological problems it takes a lot more for me to learn. Learned something and it took. It wasn't the injury it was the time it was how long because I that waterfall in South Africa. It didn't slow down Shit. Yeah I say it saved my life because maybe looking things probably better but still I wait horror than ever when I came high right times a time to time is the only real currency alison. And you can't do anything when you are in so much pain they you can't sit in a movie theater right which is literally the one thing that you only do that day. I guess seven hundred movies looseness Chapman and before I even watch TV ever I never wanted to live in great tons of although I learned love. TV News. Yeah I had no choice. I had learned love it and then I think the one thing that that table mountain did for me more than anything is it helped me appreciate the simple things of life just being in the wake up in the morning and being able to go to the bathroom by yourself. That's a big one without having someone help you. I've stood in the bathroom with Catherine. Took my cathro crying because I couldn't because please just let me pee so I can not have to put another one and just let me P I understand how people are saying that but it's opens opens if you don't experience those things like that stuff being taken away from you. You never truly appreciate it. Because that's how supposed speaking. Of course I can do that. I I can do that because I tell people I like. They're all house damage as awesome. I just go the bathroom with myself. Yeah better thinking you do. That's incredible there. Aro God you out those standards. It's like no you got. Yeah you'll understand because to just now if I'm just not pain like just get up and walk corral without hurting. That's a beautiful. I have to do a turn my my house my little patio and turned it into like why call it a lonely hell spot in. La turned it into little thing that it's just a pain management center. I've got a hot tub a Saana. I've got a ice fat that I get pretty pretty much almost every day. Every day brings us well and it just brings aches down so much that'll make okay. That's not something I constantly think about. Yeah Yeah you know. There's a lot of times I've been driving for forty five minutes of my knee explode because that stressed lately and it's it's such an annoyance I feel something business day and that would be like my whole life is with my knees. I can't do this conversation with Matt. Hoffman your interview and it was like people's ideas just like when you hear someone's like Oh. I tore my knee and I never ski again. You're like that's what a normal person sees things. It's like this little bit but when you have to deal with it every day it becomes just like this is is your this is your world you know what I mean. Pain is your life. It's your life. It's kind of like the same. I've learned a lot about ice therapy device that I get in every day and and then I got my take doing it for months and I take off class. SORTA learn a little bit more about it and they were talking about. How when you put your arm in it was Kinda makes sense? Now that I think about it to what we're saying about how normal people reacted things so when you put your arm in the ice at thirty degrees the rest of your body is not an isis telling you get out not yet get out in Arbil so colby rescue body saying get the hell out of here right and then but when you get your whole body in there it's a different thing for your mind and your minds going okay. This new environment you need to survive in it and then adjust mentally. I feel like that's kind of what we've done. Or you specially. If you know your your brain Raines told you this is your new level of normal. Yeah how DO I. This is now the justice survive in this level of normal. I don't want to end on just mournful wonderful so B.. Portion of this is what I want to talk about. We're getting kind of long Okay this is really great. Great Talk With you because the last time I got to talk about this we've been we've been travelling together with some other events. He we see each other we chat here and there but other than that were forty five minute conversation I had in the airport. This is the longest one we add and it's been really it really earliest great. I'm really really this even the first three minutes. And this goes way way way veteran for me listening there are so many jumps used to the time line but these really technical jumps or jumps at you train really hard for that either were technical or Hartford you or really brought more is to wing suiting in a huge level F- flying through them in caves at right and and the proximity. Sorry the accuracy jump at the Great Wall China and all these things I mean. I don't want it to just be like people who don't know US less crashed into the earth. There's been so many many things you've done that you've tried really hard for and really you know accomplished so many things. We're just having to be talking about a few wars was talking about the heavy impacting. I've only been injured. Like maybe eight times. But the thing is eight jumps out of out of thousands thousands but the problem is those is injuries are the ones that have the biggest impact and and I think this is what it comes down to. I think I've learned more from my accidents from my failures from the things that have gone wrong than ever learned from the things that have gone right. And I think that's most people in life you learn from these bad when the right will. That's right. They went right. So you'll learn much from that but you learn a lot from the darkness you learn a lot from being down and that gives you perspective you can appreciate perspectives beings all those big good things and yes. I did a flight where I was the first person to fly through mountain. Reid jumped off out of helicopter on one side of mountains and through the mountain and deployed on the other side of mountain and it was a super complicated implicated super technical jump. That's me years to prepare like over year to prepare for. Because when I found the jump I wasn't capable of doing the job. I didn't have technical skill. The actual we suits didn't really exist that get the glide ratios we needed to the periods of time. I needed to have them so that was a really unique. ached jump because we started using a lot of. GPS training a lot to figure out exactly what our glide ratios were. There was a lot of science wrapped around that job and it made it amazing and and it was a jump that was done. Live Super Magazine. Seen across mainland China by hundreds of millions of people it was a phenomenon on that in China they had never seen something quite like it. Because when I went there there was no word for weeks suit. They had no idea with even were. I was an unknown American athletes. No one expected to anyone to watch this. God like Red Bull China's who were working with and they're like you know we can get ten million people to watch this go. We'll be lucky and by Chinese standards stimulating people as nobody right so they were kind of like going. You WanNa do it fine. We'll get part of it. We had like connections higher level. And that's why keep down. Then there'd be forced to do this they didn't really want to. You thought it was just like they did ping pong and Olympic sports like soccer and everything and they didn't operate the same way. The rest of red bull around the world operates. They weren't into sports so a lot of people believe in us what we were doing. But when it happened the DOTS Assisi TV took it on all their networks and it went across China to everyone had a massive impact. That was something that was super special and that rebel China's like hey anytime you want to wherever you want a new wall right. No we did another one that was also massive called Flying Dagger tagger where I flew through this really narrow gorge that was I was basically most proximity flying. You start on very high mountains and you got really close to the ground maybe five feet off the debt you fly down this mountain and then you break away at eight hundred feet and deploy your parachute around six hundred feet marine. That's normally how you approximity fly. This was that actual thing I was proximity. Only hundred seventy five feet tall. It was three football fields long. Meaning meaning I was GONNA WALK INTO PROXIMITY ALBIE OUT RE jumping from the top of the clippers helicopter jumped. My helicopter walked in to this super suber narrow crooked crap for three football fields story eight under saying five feet not knowing how high powered by the helicopter. We're getting out of like two thousand dude from two thousand eight hundred feet two thousand dollars a decker to around two thousand from the top okay. So thousand feet away you gotTa lineup. How was that? The topic was sixty feet. Wide and at the bottom was fifteen feet wide sixty feet wide. You gotta hit something and by the time you get to the top of it. You're already you gotta be almost at ground level anyways. What's happening is once I lock into these things? When most people get away from train like most people are exiting the terrain? Where I'm insuring because that's where you and your words you're how low you'RE GONNA come out of it? I had no idea how that just a math problem. You had to guess. No it was a problem of. I didn't get the training I needed. We were I'd give give five days. Five jumps data practice to figure that out by Tyson and because the typhoon hit us. I didn't get get any training whatsoever the day before I got to do to jumps at both ended up being wasted because complicated stuff but they ended up being useless and I ended up just having to go forward with no training whatsoever and it was super gnarly and it's complicated even describe it. We made a documentary called called the flying day here and his. Maybe the GNARLY documentary. I've ever done. I ended up coming out of this thing as super high speed and pitching probably two hundred feet off the ground and how big a house fast I was going so fast on the planet all my cameras were ripped off. My body is shattered. Who knows is what's going on over one hundred twenty over over terminal? I was going faster than when I came out and I basically told all my cameras ripped off. I had just enough time. Poll LEX one-sided inside. I was leaning on this little tiny concrete walkway with concrete barriers around it that was about a meter and a half wide and it went on. They went long but I was just making just being hanging by. Didn't get to that. I was GonNa hit the side of a cliff and then drop hundreds of feet if I didn't make it there and had the land of the jumbo as land in trees. They're all dead broken branches that I would probably get skewered and bleeding foreing forgot to me. It turned out to be the jump itself was one thing but the opening of the parachute and the landing became the Super Bernardi thing anyway sows my next one and he got seen by hundreds of millions of people and it was successful which was shocking. Unbelievable that it happened and then and the third one that was going to do which was the Great Wall of China and the concept of Gray Walk Shaina as we wanted to hang a target size of an apple and I wanted to put a Gopro through the center that apple after jumping out of an aircraft over a mile away so it was close to the ground to your being put on the wall. So you're you're close to a structure where flying into a cliff. The great walls right underneath this cliff cliff is right next to the Great Wall. And if I and it's only ten feet above the ground so by come short I'll just pilot in the side of a cliff and I live. Everything's one hundred percent life which was very had lot of weather issues. The odds craigslist leather shoes again. Almost actually did. I mean this but I remember from Gopro I was part of the live. com- pumpkin happened happened the day before Oregon live. Yeah ow but the winds were too strong. We couldn't even hang target. The wind was blowing it apart so we got hit by horrible weather conditions in again but every single all the time. I do one of these things. There's always this heavy difficult drama wrapped around it. It's always complicated. And most people know this on live day almost died on both jumps us. Johnson was almost killed and when I did the first one almost died I was just like oh we got nailed by again wind. The wind was so so bad. And that's the thing that people don't understand it. It's easy to do stuff in the mountains by yourself with your buddies. You can just wait until the weather's good. Sit therefore month if you have to. It doesn't matter jump when it's perfect conditions when you're going live different story three months from now on Friday at two o'clock. Ah I'm doing this. You have to do this and Yiftah weather city. Oh well and what's funny is that you obviously have cut off point right. Where okay if the weather gets passed this the way that we don't do it but he always right on the edge? Never is never populist. Never bad right where you're like. You GotTa Make Decision Shit Shit. I wish it would just be a little bit worse than we could. Just cut this off and not do it and then you can feel good about me because it's like okay. I'm making a decision. You can't be mad because I would. Yeah we'll dive live. We do this so we do. It is never liked. That is always worse. Just on the edge of what's acceptable brain to that point. Do the trains earnings are already worked for radio. Someone's competence what you're doing you surpassing about it then. It will always be that if there's issues it has to be so ooh terrible terrible doesn't really exist in real life. You know all pouring rain and a type of all I know is that you know I have a cutoff point and and if it goes past that cutoff point on a fairly. It's unbelievable apparently was past that point and it turns out it was past that point. Just not at the TART. Every past that point about one hundred feet above Atari which was hey we had a wage sheer that have created a situation. Unlike anything we've done a bunch of practice jumps. I've been putting my gopro approach that title. I remember you let your size of an apple and I couldn't be putting the gopro stray that yet which is at the time at at that moment. No one had ever tried to be that accurate in a way soup period people targets but he was always these big targets in any part of your body. Hit that target you good. This was the first time where we picked specific points on you which was a poll. Coming your helmet with a Gopro on it and you had to put that Gopro grow bulls items only centimeters larger than the GOPRO. They're the type of precision had never known in ever. Even attempt is something we were going we were doing it on the great in China. Yeah and that was. That was my last big mega stunts. That I did. We got more planned. But they're so complicated. It's all so difficult up each one's bigger than the last few now and which is obviously because they want that also because you want that because the whole oh point of all of this I think the reason I continue because we go out into the a sixteen year old kind of depressed suicidal mind was one thing but by the time I got into it at twenty one the minded already shifted and grown and matured into something different than at thirty and it becomes something different l. and then at forty something different and now it's about the challenge you know it's about doing something that people think is impossible. It's about involving in pushing a sport forward and doing something that people I love it when someone sees something that I do and think it's fake. They're nothing makes me happier when you see that comment. CGI Photoshop Photoshop CGI. That's not real that they don't understand what a compliment that is that is probably the biggest compliment limit person can receive and when somebody thinks what you did take any possible. Can't be done never thought of it like that. I love it I consulted on my thank you. I appreciate that the fact that you can't wrap your head around it you think that that's impossible to shows how how special it really was. Go into the moon. People think it's possible that shows how amazing it really sounds so on offensive Dr Russia if anyone wanted proved proved that was fake Russia. Were the ones guess. Trapped US doing so Russia attractive doing it. Japan tracks doing it there ten other countries tracking doing it. We did it because any one of them. If we didn't photoshop I have not heard this flat. Obviously what what. I walked up here today. This great great full circle because hearing the way you started this which I wasn't prepared for that answer. That's not what I come to talk about about about the way you're depressing mental health and then when I walked up and saw the driveway and I said Hey man house like you said couldn't couldn't be better can't believe this much good. You're awesome man. Thank you for letting me come down and and being on today AH loaded on a vast knowledge and also just it was so interesting for me to hear because coming from someone who understands where you're coming from more. The person who isn't a part of it was so great to really get an F. Perspective from you other than how I think you because I can only go like how I would the difference and so it's been it's been really good. I'm so glad that when I walked up you didn't say oh. Hi Nice to meet you Jeff. That right off the bat and this is going to be a good day. It's up I'd love to have you on again and we'll talk about all the avenue because there's so much more than just this week just there's so much to talk about. I don't want to spoil it all in one job. We don't want to go on for fifty hours. Yeah guys buddy thanks. Let's do it. I think you guys so much for taking the time to listen to mighty podcast keep bleeding hope. You guys are liking it. I have a lot more brake guests and stories coming. I mean this is new for me and I'm really enjoying hearing all these stories as well. I can't wait to see where this goes and continues to evolve for me and you guys as an audience. If you guys light this is please subscribe so you miss. Any sheriff someone by posing Elena Social Media. It's on the text. This is really the only way I'm GONNA be able to get this podcast out there. Also big shout thank you my friends over kind. Humans Dot Com for supporting me in this new venture. 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All in it together

Monocle 24: The Urbanist

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All in it together

"Hello and welcome to Monaco. Twenty fours the urban Est. The show all about the cities we live in. I'm Andrew Talk Coming up on today's program. Clapping a simple gesture repeated from balconies rooftops and windows across the world. Support those on the frontlines of this pandemic but the simple act is also a powerful reminder of how we're all in this together and a welcome relief from the silent streets of I locked down cities this week. We bring you more stories of perseverance and kindness good neighbors and companies all helping. Us weather the storm together. So join me over the next thirty minutes right here on the East with me Andrew. Talk last week we started the show by telling you how in times of crisis people tend to look for the silver lining and yet when it comes to say climate change in corona virus. It might not all be that straightforward. Well this week we wanted to bring you some real simple stories of silver linings positive and even surprising stories emerging from this unprecedented situation. We're GONNA start in Brazil. Where more than half of the country's top football clubs have handed over their stadia to health authorities to turn them into filled hospitals and clinics to fight the corona virus pandemic Montiel's Latin America Affairs correspondent. Lucinda Elliott. Has This report. Football is closer to a religious ritual in a country like Brazil so in stadiums were called to close churches allowed to remain open to stop the spread of the corona virus. There was a lot of tension around dinner table. Even the Brazilian president giant Bolsonaro an Avid Palmeiras supporter early. This month wasn't convinced about putting an end to the beautiful game. But as the number of cases steadily rises in Brazil and fatalities hit the hundreds for the first time. Football clubs across the country the handing over the now-closed facilities to medical staff more than half of the twenty teams in the Brazilian Premier League. The a series in densely populated cities of some Paulo and Rio de Janeiro or opening up their doors to make room for hospital beds during the outbreak. The emblematic Marikana Stadium here in Rio home to the current South America champions has taken the lead. Flamengo President Holdall full-on Dean saying how important it was to help relieve the pressure in public services and ensure the protection of the elderly and most vulnerable health. Ministry officials have warned that the Brazilian system simply cannot cope should the number of infections escalate and last week the first confirmed case of nineteen was reported in the city? Sprawling an unmapped shantytowns while football may no longer be brought to their television screens. In coming weeks there's a hope. The sport can offer a different kind of support to its fans for Monaco. In Rio I'm you Cinderella from football to the big screen the drive in cinemas a relic of a bygone era but the former experience something of resurrection in recent weeks. Thanks to social distancing measures imposed slow corona viruses spread with most cinema shot American cinna files have flocked to the outdoor cinemas to watch films from inside the relative safety of their own vehicles monocle. We'll kitchens explores the formats fleeting boom and where it might be headed silver. Viney is embedded in most tragedies however difficult it might be defined for the Silver Screen Industry. Who's been found in recent weeks and the revival largely forgotten film format the drive in cinema while traditional cinemas in shopping malls and on high streets like have temporarily closed in an effort to slow corona viruses spread. Americans of hopped in their cars and headed to the huge outdoor screens that loom high above. Parking lots come showtime entrance. Tickets are displayed by drivers through tightly. Shut windows and a reversal of long-held Policy. Popcorn is allowed to be brought from home. This is a pandemic after all up until a few weeks ago drive ins relied on selling novelty or a sense of nostalgia for the nineteen fifties. Which was the industry's height? But now during a pandemic driving's of emerged as the only way to watch a film outside of one's home a twist on the cinema going experience that technically observed social distancing rules each car acts as a self contained pod. That's protected from the pandemic outside. The driving format began in the nineteen thirties. Although it's most associated with the nineteen fifties and a society that following the Second World War was drunk on the automobile. This was the era of car centric city building that spawned the endless parking. Lots and urban freeways that bisected our cities the very wounds that are urban planners have been trying to mend ever since while some four thousand drive in screens pepper the US during the nineteen fifties. Just five hundred forty nine remained today. The format has been in decline since the nineteen seventies due to a host of reasons that includes the rise of home video but also rising property values at saw the plots of land driving sat on get bought up to house more lucrative developments global oil crises also saw gas prices spike and has driving became more costly cars in an effort to be more. Fuel-efficient shrank spacious. Back seats gave way too. Cramped knee folding interiors. That weren't suited to watching films from start to finish. But for those drive. Ins Do remain. The ongoing pandemic has spurred a mini boom and business according to the Los Angeles Times. The paramount drive in paramount. California is reported ticket sales double what they typically sell at this time of year theaters in Texas Alabama and even South Korea have reported healthy increases in ticket sales to while only some five to ten percent of the US total driving cinemas are open during the month of March. It is a seasonal business after all some cinemas even tried to open early to seize the moment but as John Vincent the President of the United Driving. Feeders owners association noted via email. That moment may already have passed. As more stringent distancing restrictions have swept across much of the US many of the theaters that were reporting booming ticket. Sales have since shut and so driving cinemas returned to centre. Stage appears to have been brief. Just a few images. Fast film real. So where does the drive in industry go from here? That's unclear its future remains complicated by declining car ownership rates in a generation of young people who are proving more reluctant than ever to get behind the wheel. That trend speaks to a broader shift in society as we try to ease yourselves. Offer private car ownership in favor of other modes of more sustainable transport. But the strange thing about a pandemic is that and flips. Much of what we know upside down things that we've long been told the value butter cities like urban density have an instant become dangers in cities. Everywhere have seen their public transit ridership numbers fall off a cliff condemning shape the societies that follow in both expected and unexpected ways and might the ongoing pandemic latest reevaluate our pursuit of urban density and our abandonment of private cars as Joel. Kotkin writes in The Washington. Post pandemics have always been the enemy of dense. Urban life caught can predicts that fear of future. Pandemics will push people back into cars and out from cities so when social distancing restrictions are lucent. It's possible that cinna files remain anxious to return to regular cinemas and so perhaps the drive in will hold some new appeal and a post Krona Virus World Alex Physique of its architecture critic at the Globe and Mail rights. There will come a time when Cova nineteen is under control in public health officials. Tell us it's safe to go out again but when lead to choose to do so if we don't do that. The effects of the corona virus could be with us for years and decades to come. The marks of the virus would be more highways more houses fenced off from each other and scattered apart a landscape. That's alive but not entirely healthy drive in cinemas. Brief moment in the sun is a warm feel good story during unsteady an uncertain time if they become more popular in the future and may also speak to a scary future possibility. We've abandoned public space and public transit as part of a retreat and will world again where everything is dictated and defined and designed around the automobile. All part of a quest for isolation which we might understandably but misguidedly equate with safety that I suspect would be a fool's errand will New York struggled against Corona virus for a host of reasons. Dense cities like Taipei and Singapore managed much better instead we need to strengthen our public health systems. Better our supply chains in reconsider. How to design aspects of our cities and public spaces to mitigate the risks posed by a future pandemic moreover improving urban density key pillar and combating the most pressing issue facing humanity on a macro scale not pandemic but climate crisis so while I hope drive in theaters remain robust niche industry. I hope that the revival however brief isn't important of things to come a retreat from public space public transit but an Abrasive. Something Fun in a stall gic at a moment. We need it most as John Vincent again said we all want life to return to normal as quickly as possible with people doing their favorite things together going to restaurants indoor movies and of course drive ins for monocle in Toronto. I'm Wilkins now. One of the many apps on my phone is next door. I usually check it to see what's happening in my neighborhood or if someone is trying to part ways with a nice piece of furniture on its help with at Garden but in recent weeks I've noticed how these messages have shifted from exchange of goods and services to people volunteering to help out those in self isolation and how it has helped boost a community feeling without any of US leaving the home. Well I wanted to know if this was just me? Or the lockdown has meant more significant changes for the APP so I decided to speak with Nick Alicia. Who's the head of Europe the Middle East and Africa for next door and he started by telling me about what next door is all about so the purpose of next door is to cultivate a Kinda weld where everyone has a neighborhood they can rely on which is as you can agree quite a young ambitious purpose but underneath all that the way I extended to people really is imagine you have an apt which you could open and you could know that a great deal of people who lived on Your Street? We're using it and it's not full of the people who live ten miles away in a different town. It's not fuel friends oil family members. It's just feel neighborhood and really what gives you access to it. Gives you access to frame the discussion that you'll having on this social media around you'll local area and that could be used in a number of different things where it's sharing safety information or finding a home for kids bike that someone's growing out so there's a lot of utilitarian uses the next level but I think at the moment we're seeing that people are coming together showing love of affinity within the neighborhood as well and just tell me isn't APSO is an operational in kind of every country around the world and it doesn't feel like there's anybody in charge of it when you're on? Is there something in the background? That means they is in some way of is some oversight of what happens we have neighborhoods covering a great deal of Western Europe so we have the United Kingdom France Italy Spain the Netherlands Denmark Sweden and Germany and then we live in Canada. The United States where the APP was founded and Australia to win. Not Live everywhere. Unlike some social media it's reasonably tricky for us to simply change the interface language and go into a new country. We need to understand the local customs understand the way local boundaries work so getting next assaulted. The country has quite a kind of long convoluted process but something that the movie invest in understanding local community more understanding Milanese communities in how they walk versus dot communities had how they work. That's his communities in Bloomsbury London. The better that the APP works. People seem to be very pretty well behaved on. I don't cooling people out and you don't see swearing. I've never seen anything untoward on the and I wondered. How is it self policing or policing electra? In the background. Well maybe this is the wonderfully polite. Neighbourly people have bloomsbury. And it's it's a good question this I've been working in online communities for most of my twenty career and one of the things that I'm personally fascinated with is the rules of engagement of how people connect online. And there're a couple of things in the way that next door works hopefully encourage people to be kind and people not to behave in a way that's callous. And the first of that is that we verify all members and so we verify your name address and we want to know that you actually live in bloom spree that you don't actually live in Maida Vale or you. Don't actually Alton Wolfenstein. The blooms Community is just the people who live in blades rate. That's a really really important kind of rule of engagement because you might not notice it but you feel when you open the APP new chat to people that you'll chatting to only people who live what Hewlett and this creates a sense of community and belonging in a way that people don't want to treat it like the open Internet like they might go in in our express a partisan opinion or they might express how annoyed they always a decision. That's made by governmental body or a politician really the rules of engagement of next door. The setup with which you'll talking to verify neighbors using your real name. It encourages people to be thoughtful about the way that they interact with each other as they would at good here would be a town hall. Mates up in Bloomsbury townhall. All you know where I live in ten people getting together in discussing perhaps the pants for the council. You wouldn't necessarily find people randomly trolling each other in an event like that and similarly when people are discussing the neighborhood and people are verified within the neighborhood. We find that generally thank goodness people tend to behave in a way that is in the first instance kind and in the second instance helpful when I looked on the APP within days of the Corona virus outbreak. Changing life patterns here in the city and I love my local division of next door. It was interesting. Say within days. People were saying I've got a car if you can't get out to get food. I'm happy to do your shopping. If you need medicine collected I'll go and do that and also interesting that people were willing to ask for help. As well precip people saying my sister has cancer icon. Get home but she needs food delivered. It was amazing. How quickly that happened. Were you surprised yourself to all these communities? How quickly people stepped forward. It's something that we've seen before on a different scale. Subtly during severe weather events in the United States. It's something that we've seen in terms of when you reach an event where the neighborhoods suddenly becomes very important. That people are willing to to change their outlook and to bring help him kindness. Where they might not have had time to do so. The full Hustling I've spent you know as I'm sure you have. I spent more time in my neighborhood over the pasta weeks than I ever have. And the connections. I have here have become so much more important. In terms of simply on in the first instance inflammation knowing which of the shops are still open in town and which have certain amount of supplies and by having neighbors collaborate on that topic on next door. As opposed to kind of selfishly. Hold THAT INFORMATION. We get to a better place as a community but the really interesting bit that you pointed out there was people putting their hand up and saying. I can help. I want to help or I need help and I think that's something that we saw very quickly start to happen at the very beginnings of the outbreak. And it's something we've tried to. In the first instance encourage and in the second instance really kind of trying to build products around encouraging people to help and so within for example within the first week of the lockdown weasel we have a feature called groups where you can create a Cross Neighborhood Group. We will fifteen times. More groups created in that week that we would in a normal week and they were mostly cool things like terrain of our support group all local heads or things along those lines and for us. That was great because we saw the people but fussy taking to a new feature and secondly really using the power of being able to connect with each other locally with people that they didn't know really using that power to go. Okay how can I help? And how can we'll each other within the neighborhood and tell me Just a snapshot of humanity? Have you felt this woman? Do you think that people are kind of kind that they're nice people out there? Yes I am. I'm an optimist when it comes to that sort of. I think you have to be two for an APP. Like next and ultimately we feature at the end of this week cool the health and really that was the next extension of what will be happening with the groups which was okay. We got a lot of people. Here who are offering help and a lot of people are asking for help. We need to kind of CO divided in a way. So it's easy to find the new people coming in who either offering escape so we use the Matt Technology which kind of central with a next door and we allow people to say. Yes I Harrison things. I can help it and not allowed someone new joining to go in and say okay. Well I'm GonNa look for someone who's close to me and yes they can help me pick up my description. Wonderful and the usage of the help map Thousands of people across London Entering the details and saying yes I can help with things that outpouring of kindness support is really tremendous. And it's horrible that we've had to go through such a situation to get us that but I think ultimately when something happens like this people do look to their neighborhoods and they do look to think about. Well what can I do personally to help? And just tell me you said that Moore groups have been founded but you just finding usage of the APP and then total number people subscribe. You've just seen an uptick. In general she'll so on a daily basis. We have nearly twice as many people using the APP every day during the lockdown phase than we've had previously and think what's happened there is people have become formal interested in focused on what's happening locally. We have a a wonderful set of APPs to stay in touch with what's happening in the news with a friends with famous people whose opinions we care about. We have a fantastic set of social media to kind of look into those things and find out what's happening. We have local news websites. We have you know local pages on other social media but next door is really the place that people have gone to to find out what each other is doing to find out what's happening on the street to find out what's happening with local businesses to find what's happening with the schools to be able to connect with teachers to be able to connect with important people who may work in local government who may work at the library et Cetera. That kind of information dissemination has become vital to people and then really. It's about responding to the uptick in help. That united we've got people offering local business support. People doing funnels for lonely people offering Kathy elderly and vulnerable. I was lucky enough to chat to a a gentleman. Cool Neil lives near you in London. He lives just by the stadium and I spanked him just before. We introduce increase in lockdown as about three and a half weeks ago. Neil Hoods during the last couple of weeks. He'd already done ten grocery pickups the neighbors that he didn't know and he just this as an opportunity to really really give something back. And as soon as neal's does something like that I think it's infectious. You know as soon as you see someone else offering help like that and so I think that's that's really well kind of contributed to this doubling in daily activity. I think is just fascinating that you for many of us were worried about community vanishing at this time but in fact digital is a complicated thing for many older people but actually this APP seems to be used by cross generations. I get a sense that people have found a community online via the APP in if they didn't really cannot know it was that the community is a powerful thing that we tap into when we need it and we allow it to glide on in the background when we don't need it but it is there and I think doing some really great work. Nick thank you so much for joining us on the oddness super interesting to talk to you and thank you for all the work that you're doing. Thank you so much anti. We just hope that people can use next door to really help each other during this time and stay safe. Stay healthy across the world. Many supermarkets and grocery stores have implemented the so-called grey our or silver our dedicated to the elderly to limit their potential exposure to the virus and infection is usually the first hour of opening when shelves a fully stocked. And the stores have been scrubbed clean Monaco's Fernanda August Pacheco has more on this story. It's been interesting to see how society to adapt so quickly to the corona virus outbreak. And that of course includes supermarkets implementing their gray hours which means an exclusive our where only the elderly can do their shopping. It's a brilliant decision and necessary when the outbreak began. I already could see the scared faces of the elderly trying to pick up the shopping but not managing to compete with those eager stockpiles pilots. Although there were many of them I do believe that society is inherently kind in its majority. The backlash was swift and measures. Were taken. I am fortunate enough to still have two grandmothers and grandfather and they check with Dan as often as I can. When of my grandmother's I'll do a little bit more than nine. T still make sure to visit local butcher with all the social distancing require of course although many cities of my home country Brazil she might have to stop going to church or walking too much there measures to find the elderly if they leave the house. It is heartwarming to see that measures such as grey ours are becoming global from New Zealand to Brazil. Uk To France. Society is indeed caring about the most vulnerable. Although I'm not quite sure my grandma would like to be classified as maybe with older amazing and rich life stories. It's just fair enough. Are Elderly populations have a special hour for themselves to grab the food they need for Monaco? I'm fair share and finally today story that broke the silence of our collective lockdown last Thursday at twenty hundred hours as in many countries across Europe people in the UK were asked to come to their windows and clap to show appreciation for all of their healthcare. Workers are doing and enduring a simple gesture that moved many of us and brought life to the quiet streets for a couple of minutes once again. Markle's own Venetia. Rainy has more on this. Let's have a listen last week? The UK became the latest European countries to join in with the deceptively simple show of solidarity with corona virus. Frontline medical workers clapping. This was the scene in hawks. Ten Bee's London. Whether you were on your front step hanging out of a window or out in your garden at twenty hundred last Thursday you probably heard the sound of applause plus a bit of whistling and whooping. It probably made your skin tingle. A little might have brought a tear to your eye. This is how it sounded south of the river in London. In Hand Hill a similar thing happened a few weeks ago in Athens where I'm curry based my now. Almost silence street erupted into a welcome. Few minutes of joyful noise is everyone took to that balconies to show their appreciation. It was surreal very beautiful. The club for CARE is social media campaign in the UK was started by a Dutch Londoner. Who heard about happening in the Netherlands and decided to organize something similar but it actually started in Italy and Spain back on March fifteenth and has since spread the whole continent everywhere from Bulgaria to Portugal to Switzerland and Paris. It's now a nightly event. That's hope the habit sticks not only is it great to show? Us support for those working to keep her safe. It's also a much-needed reminder for everyone's stuck at home that they are surrounded by people going through exactly the same thing for Monaco Nothi-. I'm Venetia rainy like us every week. At the moment it feels like a month like many months so much happens within a week and I think that for many cities on lockdown around the world that early unease and nervousness. And maybe a little bit of panic in places as well has begun to settle down. We're beginning to find routines beginning to find our way through this. I'm we've had time perhaps in the last week to look out our windows to see what's happening to our neighbors and our friends and begin to think about what they need now often. We're not allowed to go and hang out. With those people we can't congregate but simple things like APPS and community message. Boards have begun to function in really interesting ways. We know that we live in communities but often we don't feel it on a day to day basis. We're in too much of a hurry where we're rushing to get on the subway. Were late for an appointment. We've gotta get our bikes and ahead of to work but when you pause and when you think about things a bit more you you see this community emerging. I've talked of the last couple of weeks now. My situation I I live right in. The heart of the city and there are positive. Things have emerged from this. We have a an elderly neighbor. Who shouldn't be judged on age believe me has a better social life than I do and is normally off gallivanting to the theater and knows what to people but is stuck at home and that fair having to go to the supermarket to get food. We've taken over his food order. We're helping make sure that he has a newspaper that he has contact. We phone him every day. And that is being repeated by letting everyone I know in London. His connected with neighbors to see what they need. And these things of course we hope will endure after this terrible pandemic but we all need these little acts of kindness and they mean a lot. Even now I have. A dog has to be walked and your some distance from people across the pavement. Or you find yourself walking in the road to dodge getting too close to people to stop them feeling uncomfortable but still. There's a lot more waving going on a lot more smiles and even when you're just a few of you on the street again fill this notion of kindness bobbling up. I think we will have some tough weeks ahead. We'll be checking with our correspondents and hearing what's happening in their parts of the world over the coming weeks but as ever from the team here the best we hope you all finding your own patents through this with thinking of you. We liked telling your stories here on the show and we'll be back next week with more. Stay safe that's all for this edition of the Urban Est. Today's episode was produced by collage. Rabelo and David Stevens and David also edited the show and play you out of this week's episode. His Bill withers with Lena. Me Thank you for listening. City lovers. Lean on me read

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Its overwhelming: Families gather on one-year anniversary of Ethiopian Airlines crash

The Current

07:33 min | 1 year ago

Its overwhelming: Families gather on one-year anniversary of Ethiopian Airlines crash

"This is a CBC podcast. Hi Matt Galloway. This is a podcast from the March. Eleventh edition of the current. It happened a year ago this week. Ethiopian Airlines flight three zero two took off from Outta Saba and crashed six minutes later. All one hundred fifty seven people on board died including eighteen Canadians. This was the second crash of a Boeing seven. Three seven Max. Eight and led to the grounding of that aircraft worldwide more than one hundred families gathered yesterday at the crash site to mark the anniversary. The CBC's Susan Ormiston was there and joins me now. Susan Hello Tell me what the crash site looks. Like a year after That incident not. It's really different. I mean when we were here last year of course huge Gash in the ground the flight to go into the ground here. Very good south by two thirds and now it's been filled in and levelled off at the memorial. Yesterday we were kept a kilometer. Away 'cause I grow police saying we would be arrested if we went through closer but we the salvaged a very good relationship with many of the Canadian families. And they told us all about the memorial and there were those pedals scattered on the ground. There were flags at each thirty nations plazas in the ground each in how they flowerpot. They planted sunflower seeds which will be grown there and then distributed around if very simple vote ten humble area about two hours out of Addis Ababa so it couldn't have looked more different. Actually it's it's a once so terribly tragic. It's a beautiful flight. Matt Ness Open this valley with hills surrounding it and I think a lot of the families. We spoke to some comfort coming back and seeing a more peaceful tender place instead of that violent crash site that they observe over the last year in your conversations with family members. What did they tell you about why it was important for them to be there? Yeah a lot. Expressed anxiety about coming back and physically actually landed in out of many of them taking the same flights that their family members took coming from overseas from Canada. Direct on the airlines. Choose out of. It was a connecting flight that crashed they felt a real anxiety and they were overwhelmed with grief when they actually touchdown nowadays but they dealt during strongly that part of their ones are still here. You know they did get some lemonades back like somewhere actually berry berry in coffins. They were too tiny to be identified. But they've spirit. It was the last place that their loved ones saw and they felt universities that they wanted to come back and and feel that presence again in this space and Sort of get close to the last part of the world that their family saw you spoke with a number of those family members. Let's have a listen to your interview with John Vincent. She lost her daughter Angela in the crash. I'm going to be honest. I almost every time we've come. We've said we don't think we'll come back. And then when the opportunity comes up we always come back we came back to repatriate her remains And then this time we felt we had to come here for the memorial. It's really comforting Being with all these people sometimes people you don't even know where people today that We hugged after the celebration is people were were going out to to look at the flowerpots That I didn't know but we were just crying together and we all. We'll tell each other. I lost my child or I lost my sister. I lost my spouse and It's it's free. Even though there were side moments today. We were all very happy. That would be that we were there. John Vincent also spoke at that memorial isn't what was what was her message in that moment. Yeah she Was One of three speakers only out of a hundred and fifty seven different families and she spoke about grief when she spoke about the softening of grief a year later and that was very inspiring to me listening to her about that she said you know we can now speak the names of the people who lost and not collapsing tears. We can start to remember their levy soon. She said it wasn't all you know happy. Of course there was a lot of weeping and sobbing and hugging. But she said there's a recognition that the people who left us would want us to go on and live life spirit and it was so interesting because these families are now come across many times. Over the last year and Joel News she was very paralysed with a long time. She couldn't speak to us about her loss. And all of a sudden she's found this this wonderful voice and she did this speech kind of hundreds of people yesterday and she feels like now she can speak about about her daughter. Angela and take her legacy mortgage. It was so inspiring. Was An interim report released on Monday into the causes of this crash? What do we know thus far but what happened to that flight yeah? This was a report by the House Committee of Transportation in Washington. They had hearings all the ball and they really came out with a a a very Down to Jane. Reports an interim report saying that Boeing had actually you know had had be found at the design of the Knox eight was marred by technical failures that there was a lack of transparency with regulators and customers and that the nuns lecture at the time and in two thousand eleven and on were were under tremendous pressure to compete with Airbus and they decided to update at seven thirty Sevens League rather than developing the plane and that meant that many of the regulatory procedures they didn't have to go through and also pilots to have simulator training because it was a a redesign not granny plane and they were very very Critical of the way Boeing dealt with it they called it you know a culture of concealment and that is grossly insufficient over. Sykes. There's also this lawsuit Are a number of lawsuits that the families have filed just briefly. What stage are those lawsuits at? Well the laws. If you're right there are many against bowling against Ethiopian Airlines against Airplane parts manufacturer and the winding very slowly through the process Here's his knowledge that this particular years that some families may fight in the end to settle with these companies rather than go forward to trial. I spoke to one of the lawyers in Chicago before I left. And he said you know. They pretty strongly many of them that they want to go to trial. They want to hold Boeing accountable. And as much you know. The compensation is part of it but also just to make sure that they have influenced aviation safety and families particularly the Canadian group which is very strong. Very proud of what they've done in advocated for the safety. Susan thank you. It's good to speak with you. Appreciate it all right. Not the Susan Ormiston for more. Cbc PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Thursday 8/15/19 - Big Cat Gives Me National Anthem Tips

Chicago Dog Walk

12:58 min | 1 year ago

Thursday 8/15/19 - Big Cat Gives Me National Anthem Tips

"All right they make another episode of chicago dog walk. Guest today is big epic. What's going on. Hey are there different bang banks now. Why i don't know that one was quick. I liked it but like he's there. Is it based on your mood like is there a bang bang and then a very mood based so it's weird when i have to caught like intros and ultras narrowly cut the show and i'm in different moods different times it kinda throws me off when i listened back for sure interesting started to derail this discussion right off the top but that was that was a very different paying bang bang bang bang so wow a lot more to the bay banks vary they vary by dave very by mood. You absolutely nailed. It saw the parcel classics on friday. This is what i wanted to talk to. You texted me what on sunday earlier in the week sometime and you basically just kinda roped roped me into something yes one hundred percent. Did i so little backstory. I was supposed to come to <hes> the the barstool classic at harborside was planning on it. Then i had an epiphany. 'cause you know obviously i have a newborn so it's very hard for me to travel like if people saw the the training camp tour we basically split it up and we did two twenty four hour trips so essentially i i don't i can't just go places <hes> at this moment because the newborn in the whole situation so at this moment i'm kind of <hes> locked in of like not traveling a lot so i realized i'm not golf golf in the barstool classic. It's a great event. It's going to be awesome said that. I won't be able to hang out with everyone. Harbourside not gonna golfing. Though i'm going for the anthem. Why not i use the parcel classic to trade up for a future cubs game which i think is going to be maybe the the friday before labor day and so i made that trade in the household and the cat cave and i traded away the barstool classic and in return i got a future cubs game at wrigley which i think is a very a good trade but the problem was it left a hole in the anthem so i actually do you and i said hey you have to. I mean that's a million dollar trade. That's it a capri sun for a carton milk right. I was like what if i were golfing. I think it'd be different but it would basically be going on a trip to do an anthem and then and then just kinda watch people golfer day <hes> versus getting to go to a cubs game. It's like that's a no brainer for me. So the only part of the equation was i need someone do the awesome and i thought my guy my number one guy eddie he can do it and i will help him and we'll make some content out of you training for the anthem so essentially i made not going into content this week and now here we are you gotta get ready for the anthem. I gotta get ready for the anthem. And how long have you been singing. The as of now since the windy city the thunderbolts game i know but what was that like twenty fourteen thirteen twenty thirteen twenty thirteen so that was the first one i did with dave company company. Believe me with the symbols <hes> that was the first one i've done it every rough and rowdy of done it a couple of other random ones but i feel like i've also gotten to a point now where i i think you can correct me if i'm wrong eddie thing. I'm an anthem singer right. People ask anthem singer. Yeah like you could steal jim cornell since handle. I think you're good on that yeah so yes. I've been doing it for. I've probably done about fifteen anthems over the course of five six years now and <hes>. I love doing it but it also also be good. If we had a backup anthem guy <hes> you know like we have. We have <hes> what's his name. What's the guy's name the big guy wayne messmer wayne messmer. No i know when wayne messmer can't thing the anthem. The big guy things that i thought is mesmerized coordination. I thought she was the one two punch. You know who i'm talking about the big italian elian guy who always hangs out with dick dick restaurant okay okay. I forget his name but i know who you're talking about yeah. He's got a very talion name. I'm gonna look them up so you you you filibuster so why look he's the true backup to the backup. No i know exactly what i see him and he texted me this. I was like man it was. It was a nice sweet offer. You're like hey. You know we'll well. You know maybe we'll do this or that. And what. What do you think i think it'll be funny and you threw out a couple of other ideas how we could make a thing out of it so i was like all right. I mean i guess i'm in but i don't think it's one are those things and i know everyone says this. It's like the pledge of allegiance are like you know the our father whatever you think you know it until you don't right right right john vincent by the way john lewis john vincent fares swear to god. You just hang out all the time <hes> not a bad. You're right though getting bad gig to your one hundred percent right so i'll cook story here when we did windy fanton thought it's very funny somewhat were you there. I was not there actually no okay so we get into <hes> the the elevator to go up to call. 'cause you know they they had us out to everything we call an inning batboys for anything everything we're waiting for the elevator and a world war two vet a navy world war two vet like phantom you screwed up the words though and i was like fuck what i do i think i did did <hes> the bombs bursting in air instead of through air or whatever it's one or the other and from that moment forward i was like well. This sucks like i can't screw up the anthem so i write it out on a big big <hes> cardboard piece of cardboard before every rough and rowdy and i just put it up in the ring yeah yeah guess what i read the words because you know what i would rather be focused on the singing into words so they don't screw up before so that's an option for me. I could get a little cheater like s._n._l. Card out there one hundred percent actually people you should do. You should write it on the back of white sox pitcher with the flack but like you know. I don't trust what to do anything like that to sabotage waiting to happen like he's gonna walk away. He's going to be a nine hole in a hotdog while i need them like that. That's which is not going to go well. There's yet i think you should you should definitely right out the words you can have someone hold it in front of you and then you can <hes> focus focus on because i don't want to give us a little a little bit of it right now. I can give you the beginning. Oh say can and you see that. I the but here's what i'm worried about those so i gave you the first line right there. What i'm concerned about and is there any particular part where i you can count on my voice cracking so you that's we have to you have to practice it. You have to go through it because i actually when i do the rough and rowdy depending on how feeling i will started at a different. I think it's called octave. I don't even know like a different level. <hes> depending on how strong voices feeling so you've got to kind of test yourself and figure out where you want to start the anthem so that when you do hit that high note you don't you don't crack so you might want to start a little lower knowing that you're going to get a little higher it throughout the anthem okay so there's a lot of pre game preparation right here where we're going to draw some exes- an hour to see how i want to go out there yeah yeah so what else <hes> what else can i can. I give you tips. What do you recommend a partner like the first one you had dave with the symbols. Do i wanna symbols. Guy seemed to make you laugh. Do i want a little laugh or to this. Be a solo act. I think as symbols guy would really take it over the top from being honest bump bump guy yeah. Oh you're talking about drums yeah just like someone who could just be in the background bump bump bump into someone who could really add on to it. I guess i love back to. I love that too. I think we could maybe get like <hes> yeah. It's if we get in touch with a couple of things that might be marching band that have the drums and the cymbals have them. Come out and be your background. That would be unbelievable there. We go and then my my. I guess one of my final questions is what i'm most concerned with your mic. Stand guy or the hold it. No you gotta hold it. You gotta hold it because here's what happens a lotta times. You get swept up in the moment and you need to use your hands for theatrics. <hes> the one i did recently at the at the army base that one was just i had chills down my spine and i think i had a couple of theatrics in there so you definitely want to give yourself a little bit of movement ability and you're going to want to i would say wanna point to the flag right when when the when the flag is still there that's true. That's a good point. I was thinking like you got to. Are you consciously thinking about keep that grip on that microphone no. I'm kind of worried about that. You know what i mean no script. You got loose prescrip- bend your knees. You don't pass out would be funny if you pass out yeah. If i went i would just you know i i is it weird. I got rational fear passing out like just chipping a tooth or something well. You'll be on grass. I would assume so you'd be okay with that but you passing out with this the funniest video nothing. You should do it intentionally but i wouldn't hate if you just lock your legs if he didn't eat breakfast or drink anything beforehand and see what happened just went limp. I mean oh got up at seven forty five in the morning so i i don't know what's going to happen. Maybe some smelling salts so the other thing. I wanted to talk to you real quick about because i think you're gonna all this anthem i really do. I wouldn't have asked anyone else. <hes> i saw a tweet that you've never golfed. No never never i often like one scramble in two thousand twelve and i was like twenty two and then i i tried to golf two weeks ago with my buddies. We ended up having nine so willingly just pay twenty dollars and i got a cart and i just drove around drank and smoke cigars. It was great. What did you go to the along the lake the public course no we went to indian boundaries northwest side. It's like by woods though so you should never were golf guy. I respect that a lot of that because i used to golf a little bit but i never never really loved it. It was more out of well. What the fuck are you going to do on a saturday morning. When the cubs are out of town you know what i mean like one of those deals and like all my buddies golf so it's not like a thing where i i don't have an option to golf. I just you know what i think. I've become anti-golf also not just like in different i think anti because after we went golfing everyone made plans to to go out and do whatever that night. Everyone fucking dropped out. No one was alive at night. It was terrible. Yes that is definitely true. Although there is nothing better than the post gulf nat when you go out and it's like the sun is beating. Maybe have a couple of beers and then you get home at like noon one o'clock and and you take a nap and it feels awesome because you don't feel like a piece of shit. You actually went outside and did something all day. Wake up around four thirty and then you have your whole night. That's the best saturday right there. Yeah yeah couple hacks than you're just tired and you feel like you earned that nap on a saturday right. We don't do anything in eh golf. Naps great nap yeah. That's that's that's a good point. I guess it's a it's a well-deserved nice rounded nap but like i said i'm a big nightcap guy. When everyone dropped off with the nightcap i was a little disappointed so i think antic- yeah that will happen. That will happen so <hes>. I think you're ready. I mean it seems like the <hes> the amount of guys who signed up for harborside. It's going to be a fucking awesome event and and <hes> is <hes> is carl golfing in it. I think he's caddying if i'm not mistaken good golfer yeah he's a good golfer. He's kidding. I think white sox dave's doing the opening tee shot or something like that and forget chiefs role exactly but surely going to be a disaster but you know we'll wing it from their wait till you didn't have role until the anthem came along. No i didn't so this is actually perfect. Beautiful seeks thirty call time. They'll dan six thirty harbourside. That's like you tell me created. I'm gonna get up ticks o'clock in the morning to go sing the anthem and then you know be watching golf all day going to be a great amount of your golfing. Yeah that was good golfer. It would be a premier team. I think i just got. I realized i mean we're at the end here. We're about to wrap up and i finally realized that guy roux's into this whole thing so so yeah so dan thanks for coming. Thanks for you know to steal on my lunch money out of my hands and and i guess we'll see how it goes. I'm gonna hire vocal coach. Look for that video but yeah. That's <hes> that's for today. Thanks for coming on man all right. Thanks appreciate it. We'll see we'll see everybody tomorrow.

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S2 Episode 5 - Leon and the Royal Albert Hall

Leading with James Ashton

47:44 min | 1 year ago

S2 Episode 5 - Leon and the Royal Albert Hall

"Hi there and welcome to another episode of leading James Ashton. This time we talked Moroccan meatballs and musical ICAL extravaganzas. My first guest is John Vincent. He's the CO founder and chief executive of Healthy Fast Food Chain Leon their fixture on many British high streets and are now expanding pending fast in the US alongside. John Is Craig Hassle. He's the chief executive of the Royal Albert whole a landmark London venue of course it hosts four hundred performances in the main auditorium auditory every year and attracts one. Point seven million visitors. You can read more about both of them in our episode notes as this podcast invites to leaders to compare notes about how they run their organizations with supported by Saxton Bam file the executive search firm and leadership advisor find out. More about this press' at Saks dot com. I began this conversation. Sation asking Craig about first impressions when he walked into the album. Well the first time I went to the venue was to put on Romeo and Juliet and ballet of course normally is in theater not in a big space level hall so seeing the Robert Hall and thinking how on Earth will ballet work work here was a bit. I don't think it was great. It works really well and the best thing was the audience absolutely loved. It wasn't ballet audience. An audience of all sorts of all walks walks of life and they had the best time so great. But what about when you go in and then you'll you're well. It was even better. I mean I've worked as a promoter hiring the rabbit hole and also so as a car producer with the whole coming in as the Wrexham. I knew the whole very well. I was a bit donor because I hadn't run a venue before it only run performing. What's companies and I always used to? Well we're the ones that do all the work we make the sets and costumes. We do all the rehearsals. We hire the act of the dances and songs on. What does the venue to vendors turns on the lights off planes? They do a lot more. Because there's only so much you can change the whole it's been there for almost one hundred and fifty years is Joel purpose protect the whole promote arts and science. So you have to put your modern spin on that brief. If you like. It's funny you say that there's actually quite let you can change the great thing with Robert Hall is it's founded founded on the a vision from Prince Albert. who was very clever guy? The German who came to live in England married Korean Victoria. He was a visionary fellow. He had this whole idea. Eight to democratize learning an arts and science and entertainment on all sorts of things which is why he built the Vienna and the Netra Museum and Imperial College and and the Abbott Hole. So now what I WANNA do is is go back to the vision and say what what was Albert doing why that he wanted to build this place. What was it about and so making the whole more? Oh accessible more open more available to everyone is something that I'm really can't do. And Albert would love it. He'd be bored. I channel prints out. Almost we're told his his body were joe mode about you because one hundred and fifty years of heritage you have got fifteen. There's always an element of mission. I think I mean you. You never set up Leon Justice L.. Food did you. So what did you say. Now it turns out it was this. Maybe grammar saying it was to help humankind fundamental journey to wholeness. I'm not sure I quite in other words it out which I guess. That's help people connect with themselves. Each other in the planet was basically. Why why why we did it and subsequent subsequent reading it turns out that that is what most philosophies most religious man's fundamental or human clients fundamental journey so oh? I didn't know quite doing that but I think that's vaguely what we're doing. Sounds a bit grand reference L.. But actually I need to find out more about prince album so I didn't the history So yes I'm where in the tradition. I think I think we're talking at least by the end of this recording there should be the makings of Leeann within the Album Delay Joan. How're you doing on that mission then because it is equal challenge? You're growing an incredible rate I. We're growing. Yeah but I I. I think possibly we've had an in observable terms an impact on others are doing as well so I I often say that actually. Our biggest biggest impact is in changing McDonald's. If I think about some of the sustainable initiatives some of the desire to make food a a little bit better for you create environments that may be connect people a bit more. I think we've had something of an impact on on those Those Houdini Hennequin who ran zero. It was the architect of the turnaround. Here he worked with Steve easterbrook. Who worked for him in the UK is now the global person and then hand had any said anything you see in Donald today until this isn't entirely true love exoneration? He said everything seems that they were trying to change. Just because we stood in front of Karlovy Street and we said this is what good fast food so I think probably probably our impact is being as much on people across the world. Even they were owning six countries. I think probably been convened directing away. But I think it's the question more about us. Yeah we on sustainability. We were well ahead of the curve in terms of plastic screen and as you all of our restaurants powered by green energy where we by the energy which is the majority of been well ahead of the curve in terms of moving away from me to plants. I think well ahead of the curve. In terms of sustainable fishing policies are chairs the Council for sustainable business for the UK government hinder. And I wrote in the school few plan for the UK which finally tried to. And I think he's having some success. Join out food across. All the food happens in a school and that has a dramatic impact the schools of the UK in terms of the atmosphere in schools assaulted attainment. So I think probably Leon is just one manifestation one leg one chap- to really of the of the. We're trying to make more broadly. We're not Jesus but you know we're very naughty boys and girls and in the case of Allegra we're trying we do know why. What is the thing that people are will be picking up this winter? What's the the new food on the hot in using the hot new thing? Okay so I think that we have two things particular popular at mytalk. One is the the new gluten nuggets. So we've introduced and the other was Vegan Burger so I I think we're seeing a massive bifurcation of people that on the one hand want to eat Vegan We've got great after. Say it takes. A DOC is unbelievable. Say Are we taking taking a love Burger. And we're turning into festively. A Ho Dot grout Burger. Because it's GonNa be an oboe but with hoisin sauce cucumber in the Vegan bug. It is unbelievable. So I think I think people are going to be Eighteen and I think that we're going to see a massive bifurcation of people. Like you Jeremy Clarkson on the one hand saying I'm going to carry on eating beef. Thanks very much and the other tribe which is going to continue acceleration towards veganism. So that's sort of the big bifurcating transparency. Next on into the Rota to this a craig. The One hundred fiftieth. Anniversaries is hoping into view the album as well as interpreting you know getting to know Prince Albert as you have done you have to think. How do we celebrate? This added. We get ready for the big birthday looking at the numbers. There's nothing this is not a burning platforms. Nothing going wrong. This four hundred shows in the main auditorium every year. You probably can't get any more in. We can't really put more shares on the staff would kill me if we tried lawsuit at four hundred one shows and that's with four weeks dark for set up some things so when we total weeks entitles a few days even their four discrete weeks. So there's one week for the survey set up one week for the problem so I know this I mean we just saw the plans ends for sex show in January and it has a massive tank of water and a water curtain and tons and tons of kit. Come certain one week. So one fiftieth. We basically creating the high as the coming in and I have gradually changed the mix since I've been at the whole to do a few more shows ourselves just so we can increase quality and we can have control over the artists that kind of thing. I mean. We'll always have of course the proms forever. We hope yet circle Soleil we hope forever lot of the Rock and pop acts but again back on vision we want to have more events going into the future which are about debate and discussion. It's interesting he talked about the way. The Planet's coming in the run-up hold she'd be the goatee space for discussion of these things. That's come and talk about climate change and talk about veganism diets or quantity quantity or a place in the world forum. It's a floor space. So is what parliament parliament. Yeah it was design a Democratic Space London Senate which could move the house upon onset steady. Oh problem with vermin. Yes yeah okay. So it's not necessarily do more about doing better indifferent because I was surprised to see that the science sciences and the mission as well so the planet and so on you can do more especially in the challenge is how do you make a great eight to vent. This is good as the teenage. Trust Week of up councils upstarts Emma Challenge. We have its challenges that everybody wants to hide their overhaul. So it's it's a buyer's market as far as which insane so we're able to to curate the highs and we can say look that's great but it's not good for us and the moment silence on the shows that are on there we can curate but we do want to go more woah towards a debate discussion and the signs agenda is tricky because we need to sell five and a half thousand tickets to fill the arena. Now there aren't that many scientists non-french into the scientists out there that can fill five thousand savings on pluvial permit signs of looking now at an astronomy conference coming up in twenty twenty one which would have astronauts and pop singers who are scientists. So I went named names confirmed yet but there are surprisingly a lot of popstars mathematicians and scientists Bronco on Koa. Brian Cox by may be free and because of the you can hang a lot of things down on Stein that the signs but it's interesting historically online spoke whole right. We had the first public demonstration of electric lighting. The rollout wow winston listen churchill at the first televised address prime minister suffer jets protesting so love walking round because my wife presents the problems. I I love walking around and seeing those old posters of goes right from the problems or Elton John to the launch of the vessel. Yeah exactly so craig you all the new you can still interpret it and push out in different different genres and doing things we can and really important point is that we're not a museum or mausoleum the whole was always a place where contemporary stuff was happening. So we we like to say history is coming. Look out because amazing stuff's going to happen happen. The next hundred fifty years the Royal Albert Hall so we encourage young bands and emerging artists. Me Hey do workshops with. Dj's Pretty WanNa make sure that we remain relevant as a place as the problems have very relevant. People think the problems he just the last night the problems problems whether you know he. The director the promise of brilliant guy came from blind born and he will typically always commissioned a new piece of music for the first night of the promise which is fantastic. NFL young comprises. He Champions Women conductors. He's he's Britain so the problems is great for us new music in the future music but also other parts of the year so your plan is to keep getting bringing the world to alcohol and and John Increase in your take on to the world you know you mentioned sick markets. It seems like there's a real focus on the US. You have to go home at some point the big well. Do you know what the America is. A complete startup isn't it you know you have to have a founders mentality to the homophobes foods kamini shops to open. We opened eleven months ago. And we've got another six that we are about to open we're all in DC also Washington. Yes and Going with wild but we have to just water the plan. As if it's a new little equal say I said look. We're not taking an oak tree from the UK and trying to plant in the sort of America hoping that it will Will spread gotta start not just with the economy with a sequoia tree with the sequoia seed snake oil. Whatever whatever you yeah working with the acorn analogy so yeah but we have to grow fast in America because I think the lines between consumer concepts and how people see businesses he's really blurred in America is in if apple isn't doing very well as a business people that WANNA use their iphones such a nexus access between the kind of how fast you grow? How successful you'll seem to be as a business barefoot people kind of feed on success in America? So you've got to demonstrate growth which is interesting when you know. We're trying to in a way that sustainable but you've got a Nisha when I think about Leon in London where we are. I don't think it was fast food. I think it was convenient food. That is healthy. It tastes good so I would think in in the states you could you. Could you talk about a nation. We separate to the foster. And there's a real potential at holy owning that or do you use franchisees. Initially were wholly owning because we wanted to be able to say control. I don't think I'm ever to to do our best to wrap. Our arms around demonstrated franchisees that we can do it because that was my next question is is you know I was crazy for you. Coming surprised you only have I think fifty old outlets in the UK seems to be all the right street corners. But then you go to the states and then you really have to work out. I guess to preserve this culture. You've nurtured. How'd how'd you do so? I think you do it by having Someone like Nikki who we do have who's had people who has done here who can re read replicate the culture as Steve Head. The is an amazing guy from the point of view of coaching positively with reputation him. He's gone over there. So you know we. We take in the expense required to really invest vest locally. But then you have to recognize. I think that the cover of Vogue magazine look different in India. Different from how does in the UK doesn't America so in having the same brand positioning. You actually need to adapt how you look at the context and the soil changes that Ashley. Actually the plant is going to grow up different. So that's why I'm constantly trying to work how what needs to be replicated because it's Liam or what needs to change because Leon in the American environment needs to look like this so that's that's that's the magic cannot that's the kind of magic formula is important trying to understand can still be fun. The bigger you get because of your about revenue is about one hundred million at the moment and your you've been growing at twenty five percent still be fun. Can you still taste all the new menu items and all that stuff or does it have to become muscle it I find as a disruptor and we just into this exit sort of work with Come from chemistry of three communities of disrupters scaling doesn executor's and the scale is from the ones that missed out because they somehow look a bit boring. We've understood Actually as we grow me as a disruptor having more scales scales around me actually makes me perform better on a bigger stage if I can use the an album on not stuck in A. I'm not stuck in the provincial theatre. Almost all overhaul so for me the leverage I get from having the scale that I have is actually more liberated rates in the is constraining at the moment who knows what's down the road for the moment. Having a fantastic had marketing had food helps etc.. He's actually she quite liberating to me to have a skate. Those scales working with me. That was far better than your tree. Analogy I'll thank. I come back to you is. They're fun in allowed in the organizations that you run me. What is your style of leadership? I try to as much as possible. Keep my hands out of the the the business I try and lead the team. It's tricky when you come from not prophets in smaller companies. We used to organizing the tour during the marketing. Now Short. Same John You you want to get your hands dirty. But you've got to trust your team so I think the trick is hire people that you trust as you're saying and let them do their job. Obviously we'll always have a view but just trying to let them do the job and and also accept that. I'm not always right. Sometimes it's subjective and it has to be fun we putting on shows ultimately uh-huh and in the past I've put on shows that's my that's my job and that's to entertain people and educate my surprise at many entertained. So if it's not fun something's going wrong. I think people associate she ate a seriousness with belts Jillian. We need a serious platt an aggressive business plan Jordan amazing for but actually there's there's sort of a mixed view on the on the alcohol and you referred to previous interviews. I mean people do associated with a great night out the big extravaganza and so on. But it's quite an intimidating building and people would necessarily wandering there for coffee in the middle of the day. I think is something you'll trying to trying to change that I mean and we. I'm working with a very imposing Victorian building with twelve doors. I challenge is to find money before you like. It doesn't matter. It's a part of the plan I'm working on now. Is this again. Back to the democratisation principles of Prince Albert. I opened the building up so actually opened the doors during the day. Come in for a coffee for church. There's exactly Make the ground floor gallery show off the archive and common enjoy. It do the workshops and bringing lots more kids and involve the local community. And so we're doing a lot of work in that area operationally in programming wise As she wanted to do with the BBC which is fantastic. I uncalled relaxed Prom where we do a concert with an orchestra and it's for people with autism children and we say to the audience. He may make as much noise was Eli brings friends the the stewards down the doors in case anyone's free except for that don't freak out because their music is brilliant and and I get letters from from parents. I was always terrified to bring my autistic son onto a concert because he makes too much noise. A came along with Robert Hall had the time I felt innovator comes normally think goodness Joel. philosophically is really important back to you. John what's the thing. What's the thing we really worry about? The could go wrong. Something about supply chain or whatever. Just not worry I worry about. I really worry about food safety and allergies and obvious obvious reasons these papers in the last couple of years. You'd work out why I'm so concerned about it. I'm concerned about it because unfortunately distri however much you Focus on safety issue number one priority. it's not you things this guy role and so I've got in trouble six months or so ago what I was saying. You know what Maybe he's actually. He'll the things that we do at Leland to make Kosovo as safe as possible please come audit them yourself. Please come and share your thoughts on them. Hey the things that still can go wrong any system and I think I need to be able to communicate it to everybody that there are still things that can go roaming any well money system and um so I I I. I sincerely lie awake at night worrying about that. That kind of thing. I would say having having been played hall in someone coming to somewhere like Leonardo swear And and having having an allergic reaction. That's probably the thing that I worry about most. Okay Craig well we live and die by I think all the NPS net promoter score. So we we do this qualitative the questionnaire after you come into your show and we ask you about the show we ask you about the toilets about the food about the way you were treated. How comfortable is your seat was hot or cold enough in How is the sound everything and we tracked that every every performance and we will use that to improve the sound or improve? The restaurants improves the toilets and for whatever we can do. Interestingly since I've been at two and a half years Rick Ashley has scored the highest on the NPS highs in the toilets as a as a complete nightmare going to give him up. All your good value. John would you recommend me to a friend would do you in the next booth like that. Yeah that's that's the thing John. Let's go back to the beginning. If I could. And the most interesting thing I've discovered about going I was involved in the creation of that promote score pain. I really love it. It's very hard I should say it's interesting isn't it of Seventies. Actually quite good is there. It's not seventy percent. No no no. No it's off off the detractors. Does you take away the neutral people who take the bottom six you take away the you take neutral post and it's the the netting off of the positive and negative and it's really fussing back to the question John. I mean being in the beginning of net promoters score. And you've you've married very well you so I was gonna say back in time. Huron can I call them. Discos listen very clever. Join US on your website. It's always it's it's you not only not only did them with another overachiever. Richard Reid from innocent drinks. Yeah did we start with rent co please I I think I was. I think from him I was an officer and he was. He ran the boiler era which was the mistaken that we do something called. Please together do you never say. Never say never my Vince Comey did a GIG. Richard Branson Yeah it was really proud of it but yeah these events they will everyone in the Europe of us who jumping up and down to come on. Eileen by DIXIES OF SOFT cell forming tainted the southernly here at university it was the switch went on and dance music suddenly probably one thousand nine hundred. Don't replace decks so we had this terrible event which passion P. A. S. H.. Ed there was free pizza literally. We had a DJ all the work between turned ended up free pizza pissed off. We were left with an empty docile. So we we change that to please And it was fortunately growing success and then I had an incident production company where we did a big dons events concerts etc so that was really my other than being a journalist. They'll Bailey for my uncle. That was my real first business really. Yeah and then you know via via proctor and gamble bull and consulting in Bank of inches in you spent many years at Bain. Doing net promoter scores and so on and then is it quite a journey to go from being the strategy buff into a leader of an auburn a startup if you like all the way through. PNG and Bena had my business so both were pretty flexible and allow me to do that. So I was still having to kind of do the get-out events be the last person to leave knackered while you load the truck up so there was probably some kind of continuity between that kind of event undoing restaurants however I do think that Yes I remember one night done four shifts in a row. I've done Friday night A double shift on a Saturday Sunday and and the double shift on the Monday Bank Holiday because I think he was away. I was so tired and I dropped this. This trae from this Till and literally every monsoon about four thousand coins and they just rolled under every piece of equipment and I was spent four hours trying to find all the money and then I had to walk home. 'cause there there's no transport and I was thinking you know what there is a difference between consulting running these restaurants and we'll free pizza. It wasn't bad but it wasn't because you you learn to Bain lots of businesses and leaders. Who are doing it wrong and you thought I can do better than this? Sit It down with Henry Dimbleby and decide on startup idea. Yes so Henry and Allegra. I think we were as much inspired by people that were doing. Well I looks took people you know even I never had to plaza. Let's go is showing out because the French economy The guy that wants to go near Anita Roddick who directly a new from bodyshop Southwest Airlines in America per fun at the heart of the business. Even though safety is our number one priority so I think it was probably inspired. By seeing great people I did also think potentially the big business was teeny bit of humanity at times And some of those leaders one entirely in touch with the people who are working in their shops factories. Justin lock it now. Do you think yeah I think so. yeah Would you think I think they that trying harder but I think there's a there's still a division between in sort of the Sheen in the reality if you like so. I think for a lot of leaders. It's quite hard to to really really put it. You know they say this is at the center of our business but I think six quite hard for them to live it day after day after day and so on and I think also this pressure depending on who owns the business has a bit more freedom. I think it's still by the founder but you know if you're on the stock market and I remember interviewing Paul Polman Unilever quite a lot. He said that the only thing that gives me license to do all the good stuff is keeping the profitably shareholders and I'm inspired by the leadership of the guy is it. WHAT'S THE AMERICANS ALUMINIUM companies? Elko yes who are put some fighting from elsewhere anyway so So little was about the guy that took Alco and the UH and he went. She's first shareholders meeting which was analyst meeting. And he said. I've only hates talk to you about safety under my tenure. Only talk about safety and we're GONNA make the Safest Company in America and everyone's like. Yeah thanks very much. What about capital It's like no no. I'm hated to hedge email. hatestock about safety His tenure became the safest one of the safest companies in from one of the least safe and the share price quadrupled. Because every sleep. Suddenly if you do one thing well you do everything so I do some light that kind of I oh I think takes us. The CEO can stand up to the shareholders and a CEO that can provide a vision for the shareholders and it might not be over the next eighteen months but it certainly is balancing short and long-term term. They go yeah. I read my those in a public environment and the environment and I think sometimes you do get brave. CEO's are either Arctic enough courageous enough to re educate the shoulders. I think it's important that we support those kind of I totally agree with you and and I think that trick with being a CEO is you've you have to leave the vision. Listen and keep the keep up there above the clouds and understand what's going on. Let your team got on with that. But keep selling the vision to your to your guys. I mean I did some work with Disney away from London Olympics and Disneyland Paris the whole Disney Goto is magical. Everyone's magical and they are extraordinarily good at this whether it's the guy sweeping the streets or serving the burgers or operating the rides it's magical. Yeah and they live and breathe. It's it's a really strong culture. You have an easier Rodney stakeholders Craig Abajo. 'cause you you got. The Queen is patron crans. Patrons is wonderful quaint silly but I want to know a little bit about your beginnings because it looks like those a time when you may have. I've been an actor and I don't want to be on the stage recently so I thought ah never get ahead so then there was these roles in marketing and related and the the transformational role is very long title. But you had to bring the Razzle Dazzle Hassle to the Sydney Olympics in two thousand basically. I'd three portfolios and we joke about it saying it basically bunting parties and things which is true so I ran the cultural program for Sydney Olympics Pixel Olympics revolt those fireworks. I well effectively this. This is actually the most terrifying night was we had. It was the night before the opening ceremony and the guy that had run the La Olympic said. He said Craig would do something. Really amazing not before because the whole world's in town right so we did. This event at Sydney Opera House had on driver Celli singing cash carrying the Olympic torch giving it to Andrea. Who's saying in our the go-to Newton? John it was amazing but at the same time we had to turn the rings on the on the Sydney Harbour Bridge and it was an absolute nine hundred. The hold it worked with it and was that was that. Was that the first time you regard as yourself. You're leading a team. Must have been a Ludi people on the ground to make that happen. She was quite a small team. Initially it was a four year Gig we had four festivals and the the core teams any about forty people by the time we got to the year. The two thousand matches the last of the four festivals ahead about six hundred staff including all the contractors and the various companies and so on so it was massive. And we honestly had no idea what we're doing. We're very young young team and there was the first time Sydney ever hosted anything like this. The scale was beyond what would ever imagined so so it was good training that you just. Let's just do a straw poll. What do you think we should do this? Okay let's do that deadline. Very interestingly only in the Olympic Games ever all you had to kind of people. They're sort of the engineering folk. You've made the venues and that sort of stuff and people like us who came from show folk and they kept impressing upon us at the opening ceremony is eleven in September two thousand at seven pm or whatever and we will of course it. Is You know we're used to show going up seven thirty every night whereas if you're an engineer eh wins. The bridge finished. Well let's finish finish thing so Interest to Bali started. That's right that's right so worry too much But the scale was was then. When you're done that did you think wow I've done the ACA I can do anything now? I'm I'm the boss last question. Maybe maybe but then people came to sing for you. I guess I guess I mean it was certainly. It was a good job for me and it did give you a profile beyond just Sydney which Hawaii ended up giving avalon. Probably so yeah. Since those early days of spilling coins all over the floor. You're a fully formed leaders. You sit here today. What have I loved yeah? I think I've learned how useless humans are any in particular. Humans are wrecked by surfing. Shame Anger Gary Insecurity and it's basically job of a leader is just to deal with that to try and get people beyond that so I think what I've learned is that I've learned partly I think Leon and the associate I should work. I've done With the Muslim wing which I have learned last five years is that With their humans are very easily manipulated through what we might cool Ligo which is principles. Shane Principles of anger principles affair and I think that in order to create an amazing organization you have to allow people to understand that and get beyond that so I think that's the number one thing that I've learned. Whatever size jigsaw piece I am I need to be that I need to educate my teams That's who I am. Allow them to be there. Cy Shane Jigsaw piece. And then together we can make the jigsaw puzzle. So that's kind of the number one probably framework. I think I've loved some of that. Thinking develops there around twenty fourteen worth three founders and then you were pushed out in front as you are the CEO So then you have have to have the bigger thoughts about Organization Leadership D. I think thoughts is one word maybe ability to not think and act on instinct and intuition right. I'm probably in the probably trying to over. Think I I believe in it acting as as a leader without an older employee guilty of Creighton to any mental constructs. I think I probably at that point realized that I have to lead in the way that I have instinctively felt as Asian has needed And I think being liberated as a knowing that you are going to lead not according to someone else's rulebook according to what your instincts telling you how should be leading I think that's sort of breakthrough which I had craig tell me about mentors. People who I think there's a number of people Australia and those formative years who really told you to go for it and go for it Well if I got way back to being high school which is an awful long time ago The reason I ended up in the arts is because I had to brilliant teachers who championed championed rumbustious young kids to see symphony orchestras and see dance and theater. And that just I have my eyes to a whole world. I would never have seen same. Where the name Cepeda Jensen and bill clock and they were sensational? These two guys and I I would have been embarrassed. I was doing something else. You know if went for these guys and I still keep in touch with them and they they bring fellas so they were the first two I suppose and then when I went to the opera there's a guy called Donald McDonald who announced his real name. Goalpara Goalpara his parents and he has his mental many many years. Right through Work if you're working the Olympics and beyond as well and it's just useful with these guys and Newport heritage on through your life just sounding boards even definitely. You had the really dumb questions you can look at being stupid about this job or this decision on just something you said before. I think you know when you get to this point. You want to also make sure that your team feel go. Drop permission to fail. Because that's how you learn absolutely screw things up and you can. You can debrief on ago. That was a couple. Let's think about it and we'll continue to nationalism. I mean the perfectionist businesses. You know they take eighteen months for them to fail. Yes that's fine. I'll start now. I expect you to fail today and the environment today when I think about the ballet world ballet when I was running English National Ashok. La We're talking about. McMillan and Ashton is too great and British car. Who in the day most works? They created values the works. We remember the ones that survived. I have all these years. What one thing I've fascinated by and I did? I did put a little bit in the book. Gladys written is about this idea of total quality management because what happened was American over to Japan after the war and said we want we build your economy. Because we've been so so here's how to do do it you try you failed Blah Blah. Then in in the sixties American Biz industry had failed because it was very top down very conglomerate-led and they said the Japanese what you're doing and they said Oh. We're just doing what you told us to do. A really what was that. Just learn fail adapt and then the new mom was in the eighties. We what Japan was doing which which we thought was perfect And so we thought total quality management men. Everything has to be perfect. You Comet mistake now the perfectionism of a Sony. TV It came from the thousands of mistakes has gotten to that outcome. Yeah so I think the yeah perfectionism and the lack of different Joe. It gave me some of these failures than no Leeann. Yes Almonte Golic just something something on the eastern episode failures okay so making many too complex to begin with number one opening a restaurant in Brompton road that didn't work Because it was behind a tree about ten meters out and you the tails. What else loads stuff? So I went to one point. I took the photographs off the menu balls and went to a grid system where you can have everything everything different ways like a sort of your. Have Your Walker meatballs in this this this and have your tied chicken. This whatever. It is so screwed. That up What else have I screwed up? I think I make some mistakes. We will do. We have to learn quickly and leave plum. Maybe but it but it is the these are not these. Don't sound you're not saying. Oh we we're entering. We shouldn't these details. Oh okay yes also. Haven't we saw. We've run out of money at one point. That's a reasonable amount of my money back in removing the house or other things that we just run of the mill loss of so many issue. I do think that I went to see Steve ells who runs to Portland. which is a big American American fall schedule and he said you watch when the code? I think it's all the food tasting heater japodlay. The whole organization fell apart because nothing bad ever happened to everyone in the organization was used to working at this well feted well loved financially seemingly impervious business business. Suddenly the confidence was wrecked in the entire organization. And I think the I think we're blessed that we screwed up so many things. Uh Craig talked a little bit about motivations. What gets you out of bed in the morning to do to run the alcohol? Is it putting something great on stage all well. There's a lot a lot of so I would say my my team still. I've got A. I've got a great bunch. Their assignment avoid love working. They're all our whole. They really driven by it. You know we don't pay particularly well. A lot of our stuff work underground or behind the scenes. They have no public facing role. A lot of the students have to deal with a lot of crap. You know from people But the the culture is really strong and I think that gets me out of bed most of always knowing how those guys work what what makes him getting British public appreciate the alcohol enough. I do do you ever since the rollout. It's a much loved institution the way I describe it. I say you know it's such A. It's such a special thing for every member of the audience and for every artist and everyone is welcome. It's not elitist. We ever designed to be elitist. But it's really special to go there with performing on stage. I mean the. There's a dvd of Adele Dell at the Robert Hall which is the highest selling DVD of a concert. Ever anywhere because it's her at that place. It's amazing in cakes. Yeah when Kate you test. The problems I mean is clear that the artists are not pretending to be emotion overwhelms performing there they really are affected affected by it and I take in donated. The singer literally looks around as I see. I've got to cherish this. Remember this moment it goes back. I think we have alleviate wards now at the eleventh hole and when I first started Kenneth Branagh was given the lifetime achievement award and he was saying afterwards that he was was blown away by the intimacy all his rolled around in this in this space which is which is amazing. What about little? And when you sort of pushing the boundaries hundred under this is a good example. I thought when you took the ballet company to I think it was Wembley Stadium Fidel yes. They shouldn't ballet doesn't happen happen unless there's a sprung floor but this was another rather forget it was it was very challenging the time because it was a it was a variety auty show and Elton John and take that and the remainder of the spice girls and a couple of spots. It's sprung floor down because it wasn't it wasn't possible then it was. Wendy stadium was full of amazing and we did the last bit of Swan Lake and when the Prince Reynolds stage the entire stadium stood and cheered like a football match goosebumps. I was crying. It was It was a great moment for ballet and also princess. Diana was the patron of the company doing for Prince William and Prince Harry so it was a huge on to keep it a little bit of magic of what Donna had loved so much the company ladder and it was it was one of those moments but it was an absolute good physiology. So it's that great stuff. The great the great moments it also part of the danger we kind of touched on it. There's the plumbing. Not just a toilets. This CECCHINI acoustics are working. And there's this excavation and sewerage and a lot of that surge. Recently I think to actually Victorian. Yeah Yeah you talked about the all staff in the past Austin and other thing this gets much credit really but you see quite a responsibility. Quite a number of you'll staff will be quite young to be sixteen seventeen year olds and are you saying that they a need a bit of help to be work ready or you have almost a responsibility this if this is their first role definitely I I Saw US fund the same thing and the people that work with view yes schools do a good job of getting people to get the best possible marks. They can in exams. That's the job of schools. Seems to be shouldn't be but it seems to me and we have young people from all around the world. I'm with their from Britain or elsewhere. I think that once first job has a huge impact on how you live the rest of your life cafe and the I think the relationships you form that age the fun you have or the environment you're in a councilman and for me. They we teach everyone on the joins. Leon we teach them things that are about knowing themselves who they are. We not school who we are. We're not giving a map. The encounter We're not we have a personal unconscious. which is you know created by our environment and life collective unconscious which goes back to? We were fish. That has these archetypes like good bad mother father. We're not talk. Transfer instance. Perhaps when I'm angry with you I'm with your mango. Because you might be my dad all all of these kinds of tools. Psychological tools time management tools team communication skills. And all of these things I think are we have twelve hundred. The people were directly evening with our own restaurants two thousand including the franchise restaurants. I think we got an amazing opportunity. I call it. I call them the fourth emergency services. I say you know who else went the when we have three thousand restaurants like like Walmart responded to Hurricane Katrina better than the federal government because they devolved volt responsibility and trust to the managers You know one the the Westminster Bridge attack. We had one person that was missed by foot but stayed there for forty five minutes giving first day. They to a policeman when the London Bridge attack happened and we were our both our office and restaurants were directly in the Corden. We're very lucky to escape. And we'll bring her Ah We gave first aid. The restaurants without me asking reopened gave food and drinks to everybody for free and I think that is because those sorts of values that we we have those are fundamentally the exportable bitterly honestly almost to do beer or an airline that is exportable spirit. Would get transplanted about the CEO's that do it in the CEO's don't it's better to let your people embodied the Brown how they see fit rather than you invest in an glossy ninety the second ad that says we really good. I just think you tell somebody who funny or you can make them laugh. And that's a metaphor the material in it but I think we after in our industry advertisers know how to grow grow is to be nice to customs willing to come in and give them some food and and then if we do that my priority has the team so I definitely think about my jobs. Look after my team and they dropped off the customers. Craig wasn't the advice that you give to people further down your organization who wants to scale height you have done. It's pretty similar to John. I think you've got to have people. Empowered understand the parameters of their job but also give them a bit of a stretch as well to grow into a role I think you you did you need a bit of a game plan is to way WANNA head I mean. I think we'll change careers six times so he might have a plan not stick to it but I think having a plan is not a bad idea That's not waving end up. At least you keep going the right direction or direction. So I'm curious you setting up the company Liens Your Dad yes. So how did that conversation go. Did you run it by him. I I can't I can't remember running past. I remember someone saying heavy. Still good name for the company said that is kind of. It's an instinct. The best thing I said you know what Leon that's a nice name was my dad's name being flipping all actually. Maybe it's all right and I did sort of gingerly made. My anger was working with us. He told Henry before I had plots up to two. I think it had to come to terms with it but you know what I'm in charge Lebron side of it. I could decide so yes and it was a name name. The film would come out the other one. The assassin one. Okay I have seen they've seen. He's the choices. It doesn't mean anything so you could like nutritious or some exotic European countries have got tangled. Leon Elliot Trans Europ take some over time. My Dad's my dad's imagery The one when he's swim shorts on leave from the Rif in the Mediterranean that became he became a gay icon in ministry ovum. Awesome Street so and he he always pretended to Not like the attention and I'm hoping he did ask about. I'm hope he likes the attention but he always pretended to be very shy. She was actually very sorry. Man But Yeah he went with it which was good. I know I can't remember ever asking which is terrible. Ruble I keep saying look to my Auntie neater because him and my family the woods to Vincent's I if I sell Liam just sue them for the image rights. That's because I've never. I never got your permission. That's a secret ongoing. We'll get the phone and get paid twenty astros capital Paraguay within a coup Asuncion's because it claimed the freemen could meet that Jon Benson Craig Castle. Thank you so much for the conversation. Thank you and thanks for listening to this episode of leading with James Ashton which is supported by Saxton Bam file the executive search firm and leadership adviser. You can find more episodes. So it's on apple podcasts or spotify including conversation with David Sproul. The former senior partner professional services joined Deloitte areas explaining how to tackle the full interest in the big fourfirms. The first is we've got to get better at explaining who we are and what we stand for because we should always accept mistakes will happen but fundamentally nowhere quickly the the we do the right thing and we're just not good enough at explaining that and in some ways we have to take responsibility for the fact that trust has gone because we haven't done a good enough job at dealing with it and if those are errors we have to live from it. Frankly if it's down to bad behavior and organization is just a lens on society so we will have people who sometimes times do the wrong thing. We'll do it and the legal visitation.

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WKPWP - Bob Backlund auto-biography co-author interview: (10-14-15) Fascinating in-depth look at Backlund's remarkable career, more

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WKPWP - Bob Backlund auto-biography co-author interview: (10-14-15) Fascinating in-depth look at Backlund's remarkable career, more

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It's time for this week's interview classic where Wade killer interviews one of pro wrestling's newsmakers. Five years ago Bruce Mitchell and I had the opportunity to interview former WWF longtime WF champion Bob back lend and part one of that interview aired last week and our best of slot here on Saturday, part two is going to air next week the one where we really got in depth with Bob for a long time the first one was cut short due to some phone issues. But in between, we had the opportunity to interview his Co author Robert Miller who disgust going from a fan about back lend to a friend. And then writing the definitive Bob back career in life chronicle alongside Bob. It's a really interesting interview with this author and we learn a lot about, bob back land and that era of professional wrestling. This is a really interesting interview. I really remember this as a great conversation. So hope you'll enjoy to here we go this aired originally five years ago on October Fifteenth Two Thousand Fifteen here we go. Welcome to the P W Torch Live Past Im Wade Keller editor and publisher of Wrestling Torch weekly newsletter, and also the towards dot Com website since nineteen, ninety, nine and home depot host. This the CW torchlight staff I host on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Two days I host with him power from pro wrestling, dot net somebody take your phone calls and talk about raw the night before usually and. Other happenings in professional wrestling and on Thursdays it is interview Thursday and I've had the honor of interviewing a lot of accomplished big names in the history of this industry over the last five plus years I've been doing this show and one of biggest and one of my favorite guests that we've been able to secure for the show we had on last week and that was Bob backend. Author of a new autobiography, a long autobiography with tons of great details on his career and look behind the scenes at the late seventies early eighties. W. WWF era leading up to Vince McMahon junior taking over a fascinating fascinating excellent book. Last week when he was on, we had some phone problems which can happen he was on the road and an autograph signing and We have some phone connection problem. So we had to cut the interview short after about thirty minutes, but we are pleased to have him back on the program today, and also we'll be joined soon by Bruce Mitchell twenty five years. Pro Wrestling Torch columnist and We are I'm excited him back on the program to because he knows Bob's career very very well in fact, let me just bring. Bruce into the conversation right now Bruce Welcome back to the life cast good to be here good to have you on the program Bruce last week when we had Bob on the program you. Had read most book. I'd read most of the book we've had it. Both of us have had a chance to to read the rest of the book any any thoughts on the book in terms of what you learned that you didn't know about Bob backend or the territories that he wrestled in obviously predominantly, wwe. Well, I just thought that Rob Miller is co author who is clearly a big fan very knowledgeable about. His career did a very thorough job of keeping the book focused on the important parts of backlands career, which obviously it's the six years he he spent five years and ten months w champ at W. Wf, champion, headlining all the big arenas around the world particularly in the northeast and particularly Madison. Square Garden and so because of that I mean I think he really activated Bob's memory really put things in perspective and and and put everything in context. So that was interesting and then just. backlands than usual and that he put his hands in the career, he put his career in the hands of one of those powerful promoters and professional wrestling invest. J McMahon and really You know really was comfortable doing that and really. Benefited from that for those of you know for the arc of his career. So it was very interesting and I just thought as close a look someone who worked with this man. We know today his father really close and then you know The transition and the things that people go through a disinterested, very even handed and just a really interesting broke with a lot of details about the major figures in professional wrestling during that time. Actually the reason I had to I wasn't able to answer you just talking about on the phone and. had you on ahead the show on mute? I was getting in touch with him and. He's had to delay his parents don't next week Bruce. He I won't go to it'll be five. Oh No, no I know it will be He's going to be great. He and I understand the circumstances in. So there's No trouble at all, but I don't WanNa bore people with details. So we have one week to announce at Bob will be here that I'm here for that. So you don't need the details I'll bore them separately. Okay very good. So now this is my be plan and I didn't tell you about this, but there was a chance and I I will say the Bob had bob has been doing a ton of stuff with his book and he's really excited about I talked to him for quite a while yesterday. He's been an autograph sessions and I love the story told me so that he's he was at some autograph sessions and I think he said at two different autograph sessions since last Thursday Bruce when he was on with us, he's had people come up to him and tell him. I'm so excited for you to be on. The life cast again I I the interview frustrating that you didn't get the talk at length with those guys. I'm really looking forward to hearing you talk about your book and and he he's just absolutely genuinely excited. He said just talking to me about being on the show again was giving him boost bumps in raising the hair on his arm. So he really really wants to do this and I and He wants to do it right and basically a circumstance where an appearance ran long and he just can't. He doesn't want to do it with bad connection and distractions and and I totally respect that. So and I. Say That I have that same feeling on the weeks where you coast Bruce when you host the Bruce Mitchell audience shows on those on those weekends come. Hold on odds calling back Lemme tell tell people that story for a minute and I'll be right back. Tell people story from him I I don't know what wastes referring to except for him. Well, I mean Bob Backman has goosebumps wanting to talk to way Taylor, and of course, on the weekends that he co host the Bruce off shore I have those same goosebumps I'm sure that Todd Martin every week on Wednesdays has us has the on this book is really worth a read I mean As I said, Rob Miller who's a lawyer did a very good job of just going through bit by bit with Dockland and back on has a great memory for for the feuds for the for who was successful was. And it's The stories about Stan Hansen. Coming to the square garden and basically bullying his way instead of a two two series matches and the deal was in that day the best heels the guys that drew the most money I guess Bob, defending. Champion and massive square garden might get three. SHOWS IN A row to headline before they were beaten a decisive match and the and the good guy one one on backlands very interesting talking about John Vincent. J McMahon warming to give hope. To the that was the store he wanNA. Give hope the good guy, the the the. All American board the underdog would persevere and if he can persevere so could the wrestling fan? So that was kind the theme of what he wanted to do but The idea was you got if you three houses that square garden that's three very good pay days for a touring top bad guy professional wrestler and one of the better stories of. Stan Hansen who had come in early in his career how to Ma- had famous matches, the guard against Bruno San. Martino and injured him with a with a poorly don power slam broken his neck and millimeter away from paralysing the you know the meal ticket for the entire company Bruno Sammartino and he done hit then been matched up and say stadium against him and came back loaded for bear much better performer by the time he got back to back and had his you know was was strong and and Scott. In New Japan for new Japan and all Japan pro wrestling. So don't wait. Okay. Very good. Yeah. I. To finish the store or see back. Oh. No, he's not back but. Bob is a savvy marketer Bruce and he is not going to lose an opportunity. To have a show dedicated to see a discussion about his book and with my full endorsement as plan B, we're going to bring on to the show. Who Do you think? I would say Rob Miller. Yes. Good. Guess. You're going to bring Ralph Miller program. He's GonNa call momentarily he's the author of the book who wrote or Co author who wrote it with Bob and In fact, it's something I talked about that I either bringing together or separately I thought talking to him about the writing of this book and and and getting his perspective on working with Bob. The book would be really interesting. I know that rob really wanted to. Be On the show. So Bruce, he's planning to call momentarily and I'm very excited about that and and keep listening listeners because This is actually a really cool story about how this came about and and I'm very much looking forward to the the details on the process of writing the book and Rob Talking to so many of the big names that background worked with over the years and that process I think interviewing the book author who helps out. Of this scope and quality is is a really cool opportunity. Yeah I think. So I mean clearly this is Miller is really knows backlands career and I think he did the research I'm very much. We certainly ask him that he rekindled backlands memory by showing him a lot of the major matches, but he was in in these big arenas and talking to them about that. So I mean that was. That was really those interesting. 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Junior as he was called known vincent who runs wwe today the way that he went about trying to get Bob to agree to turn heel to be turncoat who was jealous of this new sensation. Hulk, Hogan I I. It was fascinating to get you know Bob's perspective on that and how Bob just even though they started matching against baby faces at at arenas and try to get him to embrace the idea of going. He'll that. Bob Just would not do that and I think that you know he says you know today is a different era and you know maybe wrestlers wouldn't be as worried about it today but he didn't want to let his daughter down his young daughter down and Other. Kids that he was doing charity work with he did not want to turn against everything. He stood for minded me a bit about a bit of Bret Hart in the nineties, and I'd also is the dilemma that W. W. B. Faces with John Cena right now in that. I. Think People really you know there's that John might say that there'd be just too many people genuinely lie down if he made it seem like everything that he had preached was phony or arbitrary, and just to make money. Of very much worth pointing out when back on talks about sponsoring amateur wrestling tournaments in the northeast all throughout the Northeast Connecticut New York and all that he there that that's very true and so when you think about someone who's going in and making speeches to kids and getting a lot, you know getting a lot back from that getting you know satisfation seen these kids grow and and working through amateur wrestling and you know that. Was something that was done in in your area with Foreign Ganja. But back when really pushed all that and so then to turn like that I mean in this era of wrestling is and even then I mean I remember reacting as a fan reading about it in sports illustrated in the famous whole coat uncover you you. You think well, Russell's in the end or actors and they can find different ways different ways to play roles. That's the job but I do understand backman had on had a lot of kids that really I mean he was very much a. Four Square. Honest. Jack Armstrong. Boy Character and. And he believed in those values, and so it was going to be very tough for him to, and then I wonder I mean the Bob, you know the Mr background character was a different time and a different era and there's a lot of comedy to it but a serious heel character I don't know that he was That he had the. He had the Not, the ability but the pieces that would make a great. He'll I I don't think he did I think he was very much strong and big and and skilled would have been. It would have been a tough sell. I agree I agree and and you know I, think you know some politicians when they changed parties they say I didn't change the party did I think Bob back when when he came back in the early nineties, his argument then was he came back as a baby face in the fans weren't embracing them that the world changed any told the funny story about Rush Limbaugh and listening to rush you out a woman for for complaining about her life. When she just you know in Russia's perspective, just one of the things handed to her and was up having a pity Potter party and playing up being a victim and Bob just said kind of inspiration for him to go wait a second I can actually be true to myself by. Since I'm not getting over as a baby face on this at the beginning of this run to lecture the fans in the context of how wrestling I changed eight years since he had been gone and be true to himself innocent in a sense, play an amped up version of course of what he really believed in and try to make that work and and I thought that was an interesting. Interesting. And sensible justification for going. He'll eight years later when he didn't want to eight years before. You know and also I you know I agree and then I also think there's something well, we had a decent enough of a disconnection last week with him You know how did he feel about it personally? Did he feel like it was a lost opportunity to make two further career and to stay on top of the business that now's a heel or did he look back and go I did the right thing i. I submitted my family's future with the run that I had and I'm proud of myself for sticking to my values and he I mean, you could tell he didn't have any regrets. He was proud of himself and I think at the end that's That's worth it. That's worth saying I mean may he I think he would have had you know as the Jealous Guy to really Sumet Hawk hope coat and taking the lead drop two or three times from him You know the House tour I mean he would have been one of the revolving monsters that you know one of the dragons that Hulkamania. Slade. But you know the the book doesn't go into detail but it's very clear. He says it a couple of times. He didn't like what he saw his whole code behind the scenes and that's not hard to. We know these days about hogue and all the things come out in the last twenty years about his drug users record. He'll recreational drug use how his family fell apart and a lot of things that with him that back being back one wouldn't have appreciated that and that was part of it too and he had he must have felt he had the financial independence to make those kind of decisions. And you should have after six years of headlining in the biggest territory. When I read about you know he talks about what he did afterwards, and this was after the pro wrestling USA or maybe in the mid you know before and after two but he had spent some time in the attempt by the Awa in the NWEA promoters to get together and combat. Vince. Mcmahon and they felt like if we combine all our resources with the talent we have left maybe we can combat Vincent Man in the New York market and it just didn't work and Bob explained it well, and in a way that Jerry, Jarrett on this very show explained it which is there wasn't a leader it was a Bunch of Big Egos sitting in one room and and Jerry admitted he's one of know these guys are used to run on the ship doing things our way and all having to sit in a room and try to somehow cohesively come up with a game plan where they were protecting their turf. But also doing what was best for the pro wrestling USA promotion I remember watching that Those Awa shows when they excitedly announced that there's this new promotion and we're bringing in all this new talent and it was a it was a fascinating time, but even watching it on TV while also being exposed to the WWF at that time through syndication. You could just tell who was. Who was going to? Prevail in that and it seemed like Bob to go ahead. It seems peripheral USA to me when I I remember watching it then and I actually ended up at a one of their television tapings unknowingly I didn't know that was what was going to happen but it is it definitely was and it just seems stillborn to me. And and battling in particular background in the AWA. Watch 'em and then back on in pro wrestling USA he may have been you know a guy that was meant to be the all American boy WWF champion and once for whatever reason that time was up there really wasn't there really wasn't a place for the same type of character he couldn't be the NWEA champion. He couldn't be the AWA champion and he was so used to being by W. WWF, champion there he kinda. stood out as a fish out of water at that time, which is really interesting because he was one of the top stars you know you know without a doubt before that a real draw a, you know a real someone that people wanted to see in the ring and carried a lot of prestige and weight and it just I tried to think of what analogy you could bring to it but that actor finds the perfect role and. Has that great run I dunno more camel, Star Wars or something you know where? Ron. Is. I was GONNA say like James Garner was perfect for television and perfect for that character. But had trouble even though he was heralded in the seventies for the rockford files had trouble finding that that role afterwards and there was something about him. That didn't translate movies. There's some some people just wait I'm GonNa say this that's not true. He had a very before he was in the Rockford files. He had a very successful movie. Yeah. But he had for like twenty years very successful mainstream movie career. In particularly starring Doris Day I. Mean He The American Day Americanization family is considered one of the best movies of its time he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't at the very top tier, but he could play a lot of different roles and then he was in Victor Victoria which either guy he got an Oscar nomination for it. I believe but he very much had some movies where with. We. Wanted to make James Garner for three minutes. I'm just. I'm a fan of that guy so I know your to. that's just that's not okay. Hold on I'm a huge I know but I'm a huge fan of people what I'm saying is and everything I've ever read about the rockford files was that afterwards that character that he played that was so per for television just wasn't able to that. There's something about that that afterwards, he wasn't able to translate that to movies. He was the perfect TV character in that context at that point in his life and time culturally there wasn't a place for him at to be that to translate and fit in and movies I don't know. To. To put it in a thumbnail sketch I, highly recommend watching. and. Reading about a movie called Victor, Victoria. Could you in that? That's just like I said some no Yeah. No, that's fine. I have a lighter one. 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Every Saturday as we go eight years back to the day to track xt's rising talents and why they did or didn't work out exclusively for PW TORTURE VIP members. Let's go ahead now and welcome Rob Miller the author of. The autobiography into our the CO author with Bob. Of course, into the conversation rob. Thank you so much for joining us You had been on my mind and I definitely was was hoping to talk to at some point and I appreciate it on short notice here you being able to join us. No problem guys can you hear me? Okay Yeah you sound great. Okay good. I just poured myself a cup of coffee. I've been enjoying your your colloquy back and forth. Listen to the weekly Bruce Mitchell audio show that I host VIP members because it's a small sample of of A lot of our time last twelve years doing audio together actually back to the radio show and early nineties when we used to do it. Sounds sounds a lot of fun than I just finished about a three hour signing up here in new, Hampshire and He's pretty wiped out. He's driving back to Connecticut now but I know, I just got off the phone with them and he's very anxious to join your next week and I think that that's the plan. It is yes and okay I talked to yesterday and I know he was thrill bad at some autograph signings that people coming up to them. Ed. who had heard this who had heard him on the show last week saying they were looking forward to him being back on when we have good phone connection and next week, we'll be perfect I knew I knew rob today was going to be a little rough with a schedule he talked about but we thought we could swing it but it just it sounds like things went a little longer than than than. Bob had hoped or we had a we had an awesome. We had an awesome event up here I dunno fifty or sixty people in the room and and Bob, and I, talked for a while and they kept asking questions and so we we blew right past our time limit and then we signed books for I don't know an hour and a half or something after after that. So it was a great event. It's just fun to see him. So energized and and full of life again, you know he he he he's been reborn to. To you know to be able to relive that era and have all these people coming up to him and telling them stories about when they were children and watching him and or taking their children to watch him. It's it's just been really fun. Really obviously, we know what Quirky needs to get them for Christmas Clearly, he needs an iphone. Yes. Yes. I'm Bruce I want to give you a chance to ask the first question of Rob Your I certainly have handful in my mind too. I I'm one of those wrestling fans in wrestling people that likes looking at the old Madison, Square Garden main events and shows, and of course Bob back on is all over that and I got the impression reading this reading this that you really honed and. On the opponents for Bob and U U. P. Maybe maybe you did you show him some of the old Made Events. Did you go through? How did all that work because I was fascinated by that and I remember a lot of those matches and I was also just kind of To know the people I thought were great opponents for back when he really think so too I, Don Morocco and Greg Valentine, but talk about talk about the way that you got you know the meetings that you had and how you pull all that really relevant fascinating information out I'm sure So it was it was a combination of things you know I have over the past twenty five years or so collected you know of. Of things old programs match results you know and an old video especially You know back in the nineties I was a pretty avid I. I never obviously never sold anything 'cause that's a copyright violation but but I was I was happy to to find people who were trading things and and would trade things back and. Forth and whatnot and and managed to cobble together. This is long before the wwe know how to network cobbled together a pretty complete collection of his matches from the garden and the spectrum You know spectrum was on prison which was the Old Philadelphia sports network down there and and garden shows were either on the MSG network or on. USA and so a lot of those complete shows still exists and you know they're they were they were trading on vhs back in the nineties and So I managed to pull together a pretty complete collection just from my own desire to watch things again and and you know had no idea that this would come out of it but But it proved to be a very helpful tool in sort of reconstructing you know the itinerary of Bob's career through the WWF or www s So yeah, we did watch some things together. I was particularly interested in having him explain to me how matches got called and and why why the the matches were called the way they were. And it was fascinating to sit with him and watch old video and have him point out. Okay. You hear what the crowds doing. Do you hear you hear the noise? You hear hear the volume increasing So you know. So the he'll is is building his heat and building heat and it's time for our comeback and you know, and then he would he would show you know in in the next move there would be a comeback and then they go and they build the the baby faces you know Energy with the crowd, and then at some point, the he'll would turn it again and they build the energy of the crowd higher and higher and higher, and then you could just tell from the from the volume of the crowd You know how the match was doing and then as Bob has explained to me, you know Ad Infinitum you. WanNa. Send the people. Home at the point where you don't feel like you can get them any higher and whether that's at the ten minute mark or the thirty, five minute mark You know that's when you send them home and so that was fascinating to to be able to do that with him and then of course, just going through opponent by opponent and getting his thoughts on. Strengths weaknesses, what it was like to work with them. What they were like as people you know what Vince senior thought of them, you know how the program's developed and in particular. You, know the story that we tell them the book about how Jimmy Snuka He just exploded in a way that no one expected in kind of ended up seriously truncating cowboy. Bob. Ordinances run He was the guy that everybody thought was going to get the the multiple match run with spa the garden because of. Who He was and how you know how well thought of he was down in Florida with Eddie. Graham is the former Florida champion but snook just exploded and and basically just. Sucked all the air out of the summer for everybody else. Some of pro wrestling's a best podcasts are the IP exclusive and you can go VIP and find out why we have been supported by paid subscribers for over thirty years with our exclusive top-shelf content including Pro Wrestling Torch senior columnist, Bruce Mitchell with the Bruce Mitchell audio show. 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My background is I I'm from North Carolina, and so I was I became a big wrestling fan a big fan of Jimmy Snuka with buddy rogers as the US champion in the mid Atlantic territory and then I moved to Dover Delaware Right out of college, and so I gotta follow Jimmy Smoke Nineteen Eighty two and I kind of follow Jimmy Snuka to To the northeast I watched him in Georgia champs roughly and then to the northeast and I was I was a big fan but it was for not it was a phenomenal thing to see him just explode and then clearly I mean I had no inside information but I thought something was wrong with him at the same time that he was slower. There's something just not quite clicking with him and I've come to understand all the issues since but yeah, I mean it was a fa not. You know it was a phenomenal thing to see and I was really interested in. Because I thought it was the beginning of the you know looking back on it. It was the beginning of the end of backwards run as WF, champion top of the promotion and I thought. In the book that he really he really was. He really handled it generously or you know with some equanimity about what was going on I mean because the balance came out of nowhere and respecting the readers of the book. Yeah. You know where where it didn't sugar coat it he he communicated what need to be. In. That's that's a balance. I'm sure that rocket speak of as an author you want a honor the reader with the truth and tell them what what is happening without an I'm sure Bob's nature is such without being to salacious and I thought that that balance was really really accomplished in that a discussion. Well. Thank you. Yeah I. You know when my I career by trade, I'm a trial lawyer, and so you know in in dealing with these these meetings that I had with Bob over the past five years you know a lot of the time. You know we we became very close and and are are you know very very good friends now obviously, but I said to him at the outset now you know some of this is going to get a little uncomfortable because you're GonNa give me an answer and I'm not GonNa be satisfied with it and I'm Gonna I'm GONNA WANNA do deeper and so this is gonNa feel like a cross examination a lot of the time, and that's what's GonNa make the book good. You know because you're gonNA tell me. The story and I'M GONNA. Make sure you tell me the rest of it at least as far as I can get you know and you know we didn't. There were things he didn't remember and you couldn't go any further and but he was very generous with with what he was willing to. You know to to divulge particularly about his family and and his background, which was really heart wrenching You know we we really only got to the. To. The Nub of that in the last few meetings that we had you know at the end of at the end of last fall Finally said you know I'm going to tell you about my father and and it was it was almost like a therapy session that I remember that day just my eyes popping out of my head and my fingers were just couldn't move fast enough across the keys in the he just kind of you know came clean about how horrible his home life was and. And when we finally got that out, then all the pieces kind of started coming together about his shyness and his his his inability to cut a confident promo and all of that stuff and it all stems back from you know his his childhood in his sort of you know pervasive feeling of shame and wanting to hide which is just so contrary to what you think of a professional wrestler as being you know but It. Was it was fascinating to get that and we got that I think that really lent and honesty to the book that was very different George the Animal Steele Jim. Myers. just finished reading the book and communicated to Bob I. Don't think he'd mind my telling you this You know that that he thought that the book was just this wonderful like raw honest You know disclosure of his life and and it just ranked true in a way that you know other wrestling book stone and that's that's really a credit to bob for for being willing to be generous like that with with us and with his fans in his readers to to really get that. Was that something rob that you Pushed for or did it sort of happen because you wanted that it's kind of a part of the foundation of the book to get to know better or did that kind of happened organically because Youtube had such a comfort level because Bob talked about that last week that had he written this book twenty years ago when I got the idea to write a book about his time as WWF champion that this part about his family and his father especially would not have been there twenty years ago how how did that end up coming out and and and? Ending up a prominent part of the book. I, it wouldn't have been. It wouldn't have been there two years ago either to answer your question. It was a combination of my gently pushing because it was clear to me there was more going on there. Then he was letting on, but I also wanted to respect that privacy because frankly I didn't know what I was going to uncover right I? mean. As as a as a writer, you're dealing with another person's life and and and emotion, and you know some. You know you don't know what you're going to what you're gonNA find and you know So it was a combination of trust and. Development of that trust over the five years that we worked together. Coupled with you know some some subtle and careful. But consistent product to you know to be honest about about what was really happening rob I saw a leak in Back when talking about his relationship with his father and how rough that was, and then what clearly was a very positive relationship? He have a Vincent j McMahon can you? Comment on that. was, is that something that you saw? Yeah. Yeah we we talked a lot about that at the signing tonight You know this is the first opportunity that he and I had to share a stage together You know my my day job tends to get in the way of my being out on the road with him So it was a real opportunity for us to sort of. Back. The ball back and forth and play off of each other a little bit and and we we we talked about about Vince senior a lot tonight and. he definitely was looking for a father figure Bob was and and then senior very clearly thought of Bob as another son You know which may or may not have You know produced some rivalry with Vince, junior that sort of remains to be seen But You know there there there was very clearly a a relationship between. senior and Bob that That was a deep relationship of trust We talked tonight about the handshake in the men's room at the Philadelphia. Arena in nineteen, seventy seven. where there was no contract, it was just just a handshake and a look in the eye and an agreement that you're gonNA. Be My next champion and I'm going to trust you to. You know to to lead my promotion and and and in the other direction it was bob trusting Vince, senior you know. Notwithstanding the fact that there was no contract and there was no bond for the belt you know that this was going to be a a relationship that would work and that that would be consistent with Bob's expectation and values and It was It was it was very much that way. Searching for more great pro wrestling talk. Join Me Jason Powell host the free weekly pro wrestling boom podcast each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis for me and my team pro wrestling dot net along with other wrestling media members plus the pro wrestling boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the wrestling industry subscribe human stitcher downcast, and all your favorite secondary apps or visit directly at pw boom dot com once again, that's pw. Dot Com. Read an excerpt because know obviously encourage people to buy this book in read it cover to cover The heart is chilling about his childhood and I mean there's different excerpts that I read to convey at but very briefly here's just one paragraph that will let people know what we're what we're more than alluding to hear. I, couldn't have I, couldn't ever have people over because I never knew when my dad might come home in that violent condition after heavy drinking in all the years I was growing up I only had a person stay over one time and that night was so. Horrible he never wanted to come back again the next day at school he told everyone would he had seen and heard at my house which made me WanNa crawl into the deepest hole and be away from everyone making fun of me and my family after that has embarrassed anyone over known would come over any way one time when norval was seventeen or eighteen, my father was beating my mother. So severely that Norville headed jump into the fight to save her. So it's example we're talking about that for Bob to be that forthright about something that he had not been before I think does. Show, the comfort level that he had with you rob and wanting this book to paint a complete picture of what made him who he was. Yeah that that that little bit there came out in one of the very last sit down that we had last fall I remember it well, because it was as you said, it was chilling in to get that that level of detail. It puts you right there and you can see the little boy that he was imagine what that must have been like for him and You know the the real miracle here is that that we got the Bob back on that we did given given what his childhood was like The fact that this guy somehow managed to persevere and not go over the edge was. was. Really unbelievable and he'll tell you that and truthfully. So no question It was all about training for him Once he once he realized that and he's now calling me on my cellphone. How's it going. Out. Once once once he realized that training was his escape that would work For Him he just dove into that headlong and that became his salvation. No matter how bad things were he trained and trained and trained and and that was the one place. He could go that he felt safe and it was the one place. He said this tonight that he would go to make himself feel better and and that's been a consistent theme through his life you know to this day. but but you would never have gotten that story from him You know even even years ago I don't think He. You know 'cause when we when we first laid down the beginning of the book early on none of that was there and it it was only after a couple more years of working together and building that trust that that that came out one more question about writing the book and then Bruce I Some some questions also Sure you rub. You have not written a book before or I'm trying to remember in your forward was this pretty much a first time effort for you. Know have written I had written four other books but they were all nonfiction sort of school related books The best known of the of the Bunch is called law school confidential, which is basically a how to survive law school book and then data. Wanted that's that's spawned a series. Mets Med school business school, and college But they they were all very different This was my first. my first foray into you know into biographies Slash Autobiography You know and and I say both because. It was both right I'm I'm writing in Bob's voice but you know. It I'm I'm credited author in the book too. So it's it's and also You know. Telling the story through other people's voices also, and that was the hard. That was the hard part to try and figure out because it does interrupt the narrative to to to break it with a two or three page quote from Harley race or Terry Funk or Pat Patterson or whoever But that that information that came out in those interviews was so relevant to the story and to the history that I felt like we couldn't leave it out and so that's why the book is the way it is, and that's what I was getting in terms of not having. been on the on this specific path of working one on one with somebody telling their their life story and a story that you knew quite well, and as you portrayed in the forward, which made me I mean the the parental to the book makes you really want to read the book just for Your Sake to see what you as a fan was able to uncover any rustic grew up specially in the pre Internet age where information was. Harder to come by it, you to have the opportunity to ask all the questions that you would have wanted ask as a fan watching it in real time had to be just a thrill but also a to feel it. It was a big responsibility I mean you're the one person who's going to get a chance to do this what surprised you about the process and how did it go differently working with with Bob specifically than you anticipated. Well I'll tell you You're right about the responsibility and you know the the Internet was pretty was pretty hard on me When we blew you know four or five or six ten deadlines I don't know how many there were. there were a Lotta I remember that. That's true. Yeah. You know people people started wondering whether you know the the whole book was a work or you know. It was really fun. It was funny. It was funny to watch that because you know I kept saying to myself. Just wait you know the product will be worth the wait and the reason for the risk. Deadlines, Rob when he's been writing for minute. De. Came through. Your book came through. So it's funny. 'cause I I'd never blown. I'd never blown deadline on a book before this is the first one, and then we blew like ten of them But fortunately, my editor at Sky Horse Jason Katzman Wonderful Guy is a huge fan also and it was the perfect marriage for this book I. I. CAn't. I can't say enough about about sky horses and the job they did but Jason Just said look I I understand that. You know we're we're willing to be patient and we just Bob I really wanted to make sure that when the book came out, it was right and that the facts were right and that we had fact checked and you know double source to everything particularly like we uncovered that whole thing about the Nwea world title and how Close Bob came to actually wearing that belt and I have never known that story you know I I was oblivious to that until I sat down with Harley race and he told me about it and then you know it was it was Know I wanted to ask you about that, but I wanted to ask you there was a very provocative quote closer to the end of the book. From Harley race talking about. this j McMahon wanting to control the NWEA tied wanting to get a hold of the NWEA title and of course. There was the fight in in the late fifties early sixties when. Buddy Rogers had the N. W. title and and and. McMahon was controlling a lot more the dates than the rest of the rest of the national wrestling alliance with was comfortable with. But did he say any more about that because I certainly got the impression that that that political somehow political game was going on in the eighties as the the current Vincent man was taking over the company. Did he talk about that because that was really interesting Yeah He I think the point he was trying to make is not Vincent Senior was trying to control the NWEA built I think Vince senior wanted more access to the NWEA champion. Vince had the biggest buildings in in the United States Vince Senior You know when you when you look at at what what the WWF territory comprised I, mean it was you know you had the garden you had the Boston Garden you had the spectrum you have the capital center you know the Hartford. Civic. Center these these are big buildings and you know particularly Madison, square, Garden drew, international media, and a with the felt forum, and then the MSG network it was it was the place which is why when you look at the results of of Madison Square Garden over the years, you see all these characters from other promotions coming in to get their their exposure there you know everyone wanted to wrestle at the garden Because of the because of the promotion and the exposure that they would get and I think what was going on was the Vince. Senior was hoping to have more access to the NWF titleholder than he had. and. You know that wasn't possible given how much the the NWEA champion traveled right and so So I think that's what I think. That's what Harley was talking about There was also another fascinating This was sort of my my my one real regret about the book is that I I was not able to get to the bottom of what happened at the Omni on July Fourth Nineteen, eighty, two with flair but it. It sounds like there was something going on behind the scenes that night Bob's antenna were up we're up when he got to the building that night he was. He was very aware that the vibe was all wrong And when he was describing this to me, he's like rob you know I, wrestled Balk winco in the AWA in Toronto or Calgary can't remember which now I wrestled Harley race all over the place You know I'd go to Japan to Wrestle Gnocchi, you know. and. Nowhere else. But at the Omni on July fourth did I feel. So convincingly that's something was amiss and right around that time there was you know there was this sort of. Change of controlling the WWF from Vince senior to Vince Junior. And the Crockett's were the head of the NWEA at the time if I recall correctly and there was some real discomfort around that change because I vince senior had respect and trust of most of the promoters in the NWEA. I don't think Vince. Junior had that same level of trust and so. One has to wonder what was really going on that night on July fourth because it it culminated in a phone call that was brokered by a number of people on the championship committee of the Nwea and and Vince. McMahon Senior you know and then you know led to Crockett and I forget who else was with them coming to back lend at in in the bowels of the Omni and saying, okay, we're doing a double count out and and Bob Reaction to that was well, if this was going to be a double count out, you know why did that require a phone call with all these people on the night of the event something something was clearly. Going on there and tries I I as I did I. couldn't get to the bottom of that which was frustrating but that was the. That's sort of the big mystery that's been left for someone else to uncover. He is I think Diane. and. Matt tape, the real ring of honor world champion, and you know how I show everyone that I did it by tuning into the podcast of Auto Tyler and my personal main man, right? This is Ryan and I'm tyler and we are the host of the wildly popular POW towards VIP show podcast of honor. Our show covers everything revolves wrestling from analysis, Sherry cats in wide ranging interviews with the stars Fremont download the podcast honor each week and support the best podcast on the POW torch DOT network. Think about the live back Jim Burnett gone I very much have this vivid memory of the Georgia championship wrestling. So that featured back on and Rick Flair and I believe particularly the back and forth you know for for backlands reputation for not giving good interviews. I thought he acquitted himself really well with flair and I thought you guys are very accurate with how flair did that too. But you know we're flair still around. I I'm thinking well, only Anderson was around then he's still around that would be you know it it, and then you just take what would be gained by You Know Montreal screwed jogging for lack of a better term Bob. Academic WF title at that point I mean you know you with no cameras or whatever it is it's just a really interesting and particularly Rick Flair you know was not the Was not the wrestler that you know was not the shoot wrestler that that Babacan was it's hard to think of of a flair being able to put him in that compromising position unless it was just you know scrappy McGowan the referee going one-two-three as fast as he could with some kind of nonsense. I mean it's really I mean I I know something's up, but it's like I it's a very provocativeness. Yeah and and to you know to hear the story of that in in in in the telling the way Bob told you know people always talk about Bob, is being a bit paranoid and whatnot and You know there's a little bit of that to be candid. You know when you when you hear him, tell the stories about you know going to Japan or going to Mexico and you know you're not speaking the language and you don't know what people are talking about and you. GotTa protect the title and you know he's he's been potato in places and you know people people have have veered off course occasionally You know he talked about that match he had in Mexico where you know it was basically just a free for all He was in the ring with Inoki and nobody had given them any direction about what was supposed to happen or or anything he was down there by himself I don't think Arnold. School and even went with them for that So. You know there there is some some reason for for the paranoia and I wouldn't I. Don't want to overstate that I don't I think that's been overblown You know largely in people calling Bob Paranoid I think Bob, cared very deeply about protecting vince seniors reputation and protecting Vince seniors title But that night at the at the Omni something was up and You know just to hear the pieces of the story that I was. Able to get from from from from players who were there You know you have the back story of the change of control going on in the wwf you have the fact that the Crockett's and the McMahon's were never really that close If you look at the talent trading that went on, you know there there wasn't a ton of talent trading between the Crockett's the McMahon's while people were wrestling. In the Carolinas Right. After they left the territory they came up but you know Eddie Graham. Greg Valentine, and Sargent slaughter I mean they have they kind of had they. You know they finish up in one one of those areas and then move to the other and come and forth they were definitely top Talbot. Yeah. You're right I mean and I'd never really known that like the Crock that's did not get along with. This. Man and I don't want to overstate that either I don't know that it's that they didn't get along. It's just that they weren't as close as, for example, Vince senior was with Eddie Graham or San Much Nick you know where they had really those those were really good tight relationships You know even with with you know Fritz von Erich down in Texas You know there were there were you know decent relations there but. you know the the. The the tension with the change control and the WWF you know the changing of the guard from Vince senior Vince junior you have You know the two champions in the ring in the Omni an away game for background You know and this strange phone call that happens you know at six o'clock at night before the match is about to start. that involves multiple players on the NWEA board That's a very strange set of circumstances it was and and it. Do Do. You have something that you think is the best hunch that you felt would be inappropriate publish for all of all of history in a book that is your theory on what might have been going on. So I. Let me let me backtrack to what we were talking about earlier. You you mentioned You know that that this was the one chance to tell this being such history you know through Bob's story and I? Did feel. A A real responsibility for that which is why the book took. So long to come out we we worked really hard to fact check we worked really hard to get multiple sources for things which is you know if you think about it, it's Kinda. Funny. 'cause like you know the wrestling business itself is fiction right? So you know people are always working and and it's hard to cut through all that but But what you're looking for is the truth about the story what was what was the story really and. So you know what we put in the book is what we were able to to verify through multiple sources. Another example of that was you know the iron sheik Vern Ganja Hulk Hogan story, which has for a long time been a rumor and We were able to confirm that know by multiple sources three different people admitted to to hearing about that So we were able to we were able to verify that that that seems to have been an accurate story. As to what happened down down in Georgia You. Know I guess my my my feeling is You Know Ric flair on his best day couldn't you know couldn't do anything back end in the ring so you know there was no real danger of. Of you know of flair doing something and I. Knew it because when you know when when flair and back on came together in the bowels of the Omni before the match you know the first thing flair set tobacco and was me Bob Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcast will come join me out for L. Over in the progress paradise according to Torch Vip as we BOSC on the bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the great matches and chose from around the world. 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The REF was at in that match yeah, yeah, yeah and and that you know and and isn't it interesting as another sort of you know conspiratorial fact if you want to get you know fun with this that match was not taped right for years and years and years it's been the holy grail of tape traders right? Everybody wanted some video somebody must've taped of of background flair, the Omni and apparently There was an agreement not to take the match. which was worn out. Jumping here a little bit backwards W. WWF matches and battles matches particularly because of the prison network because of Madison Square Garden Network because of what became USA there's a lot of those main events but in Georgia championship wrestling and then mid Atlantic wrestling. There was a lot of big important main events that were very specifically not taped would have been unusual the type, a main event, a full main event like that even as as important as that of that was out of in Georgia. That would have been really that would I mean I think that would have. I'm sure they that would've lower. Ranked up cranked up the paranoia to you know another level if they'd been cameras coming out for them and that made. ME. That's true That's true. But it's but yeah, it is. But yeah I mean I can remember as a fan watching watching the promos show the George GMC rustling show for that, and then looking in the magazines and all that I just thought I. You know I just thought wow why didn't they tape that? The. Copy of this, even the early you know, even the early days of a VCR's I mean not would have been you know they. They definitely could have made some money about that. I don't want to ask you before we go. What are your favorite Bob back when moments or matches did you uncover where it was just like, wow, the heat's going crazy. He's just this is just really enjoyable to see. Enjoyable to watch you know as you know as someone who wrote this book and as Bob Back when fan your whole life what? What are the things you look back on? That that was really good. I mean back background was great and it's opponent was great and you know the atmosphere was just on fire. Yeah. there there are a bunch You know the the matches with Morocco were awesome the ones from eighty one not not so much the ones from eighty three but the ones for me one you know I think if you if you WANNA put a handful of people together I would say, Morocco slaughter. Pat Patterson Ken Patera and I'm I'm sure I'm leaving some out. By getting rose. Well I. You know that that match in the in the garden if I'm not mistaken I, think buddy rose was the first guy to put the chicken wing over. and and was willing to submit to it. Yeah. At the garden a lot. A lot of heels didn't like to didn't like to lose by submission because it's one thing to get a quick pin put on you. But you know when you when you submit it it, it takes a lot of heat you know. Respected Buddy four that at. But he also throughout the book was very understanding and defended wanting to leave us. He'll opponents strong because they would often move one notch down the card, but not necessarily leave the territory after after the program with him. Yeah a lot of you know the way it worked in in the WWF the garden was the was the centerpiece right and the matches were were first at the garden in almost all cases and then work their way around the territory and then the he'll when when the he'll got done with. Bob Austin you know revolved the second time around the territory with Pedro Morales with the I C title in many places often headlining the secondary towns. Or the gyms and places like that. So it was important to keep those those. He'll strong in order to keep them strong either for Pedro or for the you know whatever the feud was I guess to answer your question as I'm thinking about it there's three matches that that come to mind the the nineteen eighty title versus title match with Ken. Patera, from the garden, the Texas death match was was awesome You know the the the heat workout. Boy that that's really compare to speak and. A great job. Yeah and just the way they fought over the chair at the end like you can just see the people like if you're watching the crowd that people are out of their chairs jumping up and down they they've got their hands balled up in fists and they're just like you can. You can feel the energy even you know looking out on video there was a match from the spectrum sometime in late nineteen eighty with sargent slaughter in. A steel cage where we're background gets out of the cage and the spectrum just blows up in a in a way that is noteworthy I think you can find that one online somewhere and then the third one is one that I've never seen but it's one that I've heard about from just about everybody who I interviewed that was around at the time and that was the the second match with Pat Patterson at the garden that ended in the double knockout. where we're Patterson knocks back went out with the brass knuckles and then Arnold skull and knocks Patterson with the belt and they're both and they're both they're both out and no one answers. The ten count Patterson. Describes that think he talks about it in the book I think I, put that excerpt in but when I sat down with Pat and Montreal and talk to him about that that's the match he most remembered even more than the cage match he was like the garden that night was was just off the charts because no one knew what was going to happen and so that that would be one that would be fun to see again. Every Sunday night catch wrestling night in America on PW torch. Telecast Dot Com hosted by me PW columnist Greg Parks. Each week I'll welcome a CO hosts from the torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling taking your calls and emails. You can listen to live most weeks beginning at eight PM Eastern on Sunday nights with the WWE or impacts pay per view we go on the Air. 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I'm loving to Bruce and you talk so I just wanted to be sure it was I didn't WanNa hold you over few of somewhere to be. I just poured myself. Another copy saw good and then my second question is to Bruce Are you okay. Sticking around for because I'd love to just sit back and do some more here. For a little while she'll go ahead. Yep. Yeah I'm at my understanding and know I remember will wrong about this but I'm like you in that like I, I I've collected over the years a lot of these matches and I don't know that there's I've never seen a tape of that particular match, which is kind of, makes it another holy grail because the the cage matches their the first match there I think the third the third match, but that's the one where you go. That's. The one that was great because I mean I just thought patterns was so important in cement such a well book program He Patterson at that point, his career was everything that the all American you know you know young new champion with not a lot of experience wasn't here was Patterson who was shown as winning the North American title than winning the Intercontinental Title, and he's done a champion at bragging all these years and he had the brass nuts the. You know the more than equalizer and he was just going to fleece this Jong. Underdog. And not only that, but the guy could flat out work to. backlit had at that point been in the ring with a bunch of monsters and Patterson was was really the first guy to come along other than Kadro vizier. You know when he was the winner of the battle roiling seventy nine and they had that great technical match at the garden. You Know Patterson with the first guy to come along in a while who wasn't a monster. Right. But he was he had guile and he had cunning and he was an unbelievable worker with with in a great work rate and and then yeah. Then he had the brass knuckles which you know he to hear him describe it. You know he he didn't really WANNA. Have that be his. Thing. But that was the way the the TV match with with Teddy Diaz was booked and it got so over that, they just went with it and so that became sort of you know the ace and the whole like here's this great wrestler with all this experience who's been all over the world and is is being touted that way any wins one title and then he? GOES TO SOUTH AMERICA QUOTE UNQUOTE and and wins you know the the South American title and in emerges it with North American title to become the intercontinental title. What a great story that is. I mean, yeah, he was just you know. On. Those promos to it was just yeah. He going beat this park and Bush right out of the way. Yeah it just was it was it was very very convincing and and pat was loving it to you know because to hear Pat tell the story and I and I do think there's you know some truth to this, which is why I put it in the book literally the way it came out of pats mouth is You know Vince brought pat in to help round Bob Out he wanted Bob to have some time in the ring with a real veteran. Who you know who could call a great match and and really work with Bob and get the most out of And you know Let me add a little bit to that story, which is You know I I've I've heard over the years. A lot of people speculating about why Patterson got four at the garden and was Roddy Piper supposed to be you know the guy but he you know. There's the story about him coming to the TV tapings around the same time and him looking skinny and small and and You know I don't know what happened there but I do know that and then there's the Ox Baker story people are wondering whether it was supposed to be ox. Baker the answer as far as I was able to determine is patterson got four matches because they were blowing the roof the place. and you know to hear Bob described the way the pre-match meetings went with Vincent Senior and Pat, and to hear the other side of it from pat was entirely consistent You know match one you know sold out and so they were immediately back for match to match to was pats idea it was the double knockout that was pats booking idea And it went over you know unbelievably to the point where both Bob and pat say that you know Vince senior greeted them at the curtain with this sort of you know overwhelming enthusiasm and and decided that they were GonNa they were GonNa go again and so match three ends with Pat. Hitting. Bob with the brass knuckles and knocking them out of the ring. I think in an ends an account. Out if I'm not mistaken which surprised everybody of course, 'cause here's the third match. It's supposed to be the blow off and it isn't and then they come back in the cage, the fourth match and you know that one you know similarly the the energy and the building was was crazy and and to hear you gave pat a of ink in the book talking about the cage match because. that was sort of the the graduate course for Backlit you know, pat basically said to Bob you know this is going to be a semi shoot. You know in order to get the most out of this match, it's going to be a semi shoot I'm going to try and get out and you're going to have to stop me and of course, not played on Bob you know concern about you know am i. GonNa to get screwed over here But of course, PAT wouldn't do that and it wasn't going to do that. He just knew how to push Bob's buttons to get the best out of him so that that's series I think is a huge credit to both guys and Patterson was just such a genius about how to call a match and and you know if you watch those they're they're just amazing. 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So there's a fast turnaround to get your fix. So check it out. That's the Wade Keller pro wrestling Poe show just search Wade Keller. You can also stream the show live at Keller Poe show dot com about five minutes after the show's end on Monday Wednesday and Friday night. I mean. I WANNA. Ask You about a guy who who, who back unruffled I mean I you know Dick the bulldog brower I thought was unusual in that. He was well past to sell by date at that point and I thought Y'all did very fair job with with him. But a wrestler that I remember as a fan I was Kinda surprised. That was the a massive square garden main event. He got one against Bob back when I don't let me. Let me. Sweden Yep Yep. Well. As as a fan in the Carolinas as a fan, the southeast when I was a kid and young kid re park and Swede Hanson. The the blonde bombers were the crew cut like Pat Patterson and Ray Stevens the crew cut block peroxide belonged cigar smoking bad guys but down here. Jimmy SNUKA was a big deal sergeant. Florida. Was a big deal Greg Valentine was a big deal you know moving up to Johnston was a big deal and moving to New York moving to that. But Fleet Hanson was he'd had a heart attack he he was working enhancement matches. He was on the other side he was losing to Ricky steamboat on TV studio matches that kind of thing you know he just and then all of a sudden there is and massive square garden waving a confederate flag you know gotTa Jean Jacket on to kind of the kind of high that he was quite a veteran. What do you know about Sweet Hanson and how he got that match So. Here's the thing with with the the arena back story Bob. Only. Knew as much as Vince senior. told him. And one of the things that that you a Bob topics about in the book and you know we didn't we didn't pull any punches on this is. you know Vince told him who he was going to wrestle and when and how how often Bob Didn't lobby the only thing he ever lobbied for. Was the Broadway with with Morocco. and I think actually let me amend that. I think I think he actually also lobby to Broadway with Valentine and seventy nine if I'm not mistaken But. But that was it he wanted Bob wanted to introduce the W. w. w. f. with Valentine, and one W, with Morocco to the Broadway which was an nwea staple but really hadn't you know hadn't been done in the WWF for for a while wanted to show the fans that you could go an hour and not be bored. Other than that back never you know he he really wanted to wrestle. Dick. Murdoch because of what Murdoch had done for him in Amarillo he wanted to wrestle Terry funk at the garden that was being talked about I think in nineteen eighty but it never came to pass and Bob made a big point. He said you know Vince handled the business end I handled the wrestling and and We didn't mix those things. So Bob doesn't know why Swede Hanson got the main event Bob talks about how he was worried about. His health and didn't want to didn't want to up the work rate too much because he was worried about about Swede Hanson in the ring and they didn't wrestle very much anywhere else you know if you if you look at the results from the time it wasn't like they were going all over the place. So it does make one kind of wonder whether that was a spot that might have been promised to somebody else that didn't pan out it wasn't the Patterson spot, but it might have been the Swede Hanson spot. Yeah I mean, that's interesting stuff. Yeah. Change you know the. I thought it was very interesting. We went back on talked about looking around the locker room and kind of the cronies and guys who've been there for a long time and how the work rate wasn't quite what he thought. It should be and he wanted to change that and I know I've heard Greg Valentine talk about going you know being being invited up there and you know to do the Broadway and to to to kind of leaks and the the matches and and just said that how gratefully was to Bob? The first time they did that because back when carried them through the hour and got him through the hour and You know he had done it before but do it in Madison Square Garden that he just I mean the respect that that that Don Morocco had that Greg Valentine has for for Backman really kinda shown through and that ability to do that. And of course, I thought when the highlights of the book and it should be is the idea that Donald Bob backward hat you know in the same day did two different hour-long Broadway's in two major arenas I mean, that's you think about the physical toll that would take you think about you know just thinking about the mental toll to I mean that's You talk about tough mentally tough physically tough athletes. That's that's an amazing accomplishment. Yeah there's there's a there's a really funny moment in the book that that that I really wanted to put in there that Bob told me about and and Don Morocco told me about to that that happened in the in the runway of the spectrum You know just just out of view of the fans Vince senior had come up. And and was in a very unusual turn of events was actually at the spectrum. He almost always only came to the TV tapings into the garden It was very unusual to have him appear at any other arena, but he was at the spectrum that nights for the for the second half of the double Broadway that they did the first one being I forget was at the capital centre or the or the Baltimore Civic Center I can't remember what the first half of it was cap center I think in the afternoon Anyway and and You Know Morocco had lost twelve pounds of water weight and background lost five or something in the first match that afternoon and they'd been drinking water and and you know Morocco is really funny Guy He's got a wonderful wit and you know you he he apparently said to McMahon. What are you trying to do to me here? You know. You know what you're putting me in another hour Broadway I mean, you know it's one thing for bobby. But like you know, are you kidding me and and and and McMahon looks at him and says, well done. You know we didn't get it quite right the first time. So we're GONNA do it again. You know if you could just knowing the parties you know and I, of course never met Vince senior but I've gotten a very, very good idea of who he is based on. You know talking to everybody about You know what he was like you. You can almost hear that conversation happening you know in the in the hallway there between the three of them you know talking about the main event and like wait we're going our again we just did that four hours ago you know must have been a nice moment. I'm rich host of the deep dive with rich man, a weekly part of the torch daily Cast Lennon bookshelves. Search Pov torch an apple podcast for your podcast axis subscribe every Saturday at six PM eastern I dive in guess for an hour and anything in the world wrestling or wrestling related want to hear about the influence store figures like big kettering. We. Got You WANNA. Hear about how the marine movies got. We are on it. No topic is too big or too small. So if you want to dive in with US Colin live or listen on demand and see the entire POW torch daily cast schedule at towards daily Casper Dot Com. Talk about the what you learn about the dynamic in the relationship between Bob and Vincent because in the book it's interesting. There's a lot of people that you would think Bob knew very well who talked about in their voice or Bob talked about not actually spending a lot of actual you know time with them outside of ring time in a little bit of prep time even though they were in that same territory together more programs together Vince senior is another guy that we talked about at the beginning of this conversation. Obviously Bob looked up to as a father figure, but I don't get a sense that maybe I'm wrong that there were a lot of long. Conversations between them it felt like they were it was more business in in to the point talk about how much cumulative time that they spent actually getting to know each other and talking. The the day to day was brief and I think the opening paragraph of the book talks about the fact that that's senior was a man of few words as it related to the talent right Even with bob to whom he was probably the closest Bob says, you know he always asked after Bob's family. You know how he was feeling how he was holding up Bob always asked Vince. You know how the matches were whether he was happy You know they talked a bit at the television tapings about you know the the next three weeks itinerary and what was going on and and Of course at the garden, they would talk about you know the match whatever the main event was that month and you know they talk about the finish and they were looking for. But those were all briefed conversations. I think the the sort of overlay over it all though goes back to that handshake in the bathroom at the Philadelphia arena. Vince senior had vetted. Bob. Back Land He had vetted him with with Eddie Graham he'd vetted him with them much nick Jim Barnett and others and he was completely convinced that Bob. Background was the guy he was looking for. He was looking for somebody who could be the all American boy that was the arch type he was. looking for something different from what summer Tino had been because you can't. You can't replace Bruno you can't succeed through. No, you can't emulate Bruno you gotta go in a different direction. Bruno was one of a kind and you know we should talk about him for a minute to at some point 'cause what a wonderful human being that guy is. but anyway so I think you know once Vince had made up his mind about What Bob was was about an had You know had had pushed all in back land He was not going to be deterred from that plan and Bob gave his all every night you know was visiting hospitals and and working with wrestling teams in high schools and junior high schools all around the territory and was building credibility sort of with the mainstream outside of what was then you know the raffling business, right? It was. It was unusual to see a professional wrestler stepping out of the smoky you know gymnasium. Or? into the mainstream culture and being a role model for anyone that was just not something you saw very often and background was doing that and I think the combination of that coupled with the fact that he was always prompt he was always sober. He was always on time and he always delivered You know was was something built the level of trust with Vince Senior over time and just confirmed that he had made the right choice and so the two of them had a level of trust with one another that was remarkable for the business that they were in. At the end of the book, there's a transition going on and I wondered. Does Bob Feeling did Bob Dylan you disappointment and Vince. And this man, the one that he knew so well that he wasn't kept up to speed with the change in ownership and the change in direction that was coming I it seems it seemed to me that Bachman was caught really flat-footed by all that. You know it's it's interesting I think at the time you know Vince Junior When he came in did what? What any good promoter would do You know he went in a different direction He didn't try and find the next Bob back when he went, you know totally different. The same way that Vince senior had done when he went away from Bruno Bruno was a brawler background was a technician, right? They were very different champions vince junior went with Hogan. Say What you want and there's lots to say But you know went in different directions and then approached Bob and wanted bob turn he'll jealous he'll and you know and and and turn and Chase Hogan and be like a Sort of like Rick flair or a Harley race character, right? Not not necessarily a total He'll. But like a jealous like how how could the fans have forsaken me kind of he'll right but a rule breaker nonetheless and and back land you know to his credit remarkable credit and we talked a lot about this at the. At the signing tonight because people people were really interested to hear why did you just disappear and in Nineteen eighty-four? What happened you know and the answer to that was. Vince junior made the correct promotional decision in wanting to turn Bob. Face Hogan would have been a white hot feud It would have been totally explicable and reasonable given what had happened and it would have been a very credible angle to pursue. Bob Just didn't WanNa do it and I've seen the contracts for it they they bought them that that Vince wanted Bob to stay on and and play this he'll. but to do so would have destroyed the all American boy and for the for the for the twin reasons that his daughter was six years old and was just starting school and and would not have understood why you know all of her friends and classmates. Who you know had previously thought of her father is this heroic figure would suddenly be hearing from their parents that that he's now this villain. Coupled with the fact that that background was you know he was a real character I mean he he the character and he the person were the same guy and so You know how is he going to explain to the wrestling teams that he worked with and High School, teams, and and the junior high school teams in the tournaments that he sponsored How is he gonNA explain to all of those people that hey, now a rule breaker and I'm he'll and still protect the business that you could do it. So he had to make a choice and the choice was take the money and turn he'll. or you know or you know go home and he chose to go home and some would say he was a mark for his own character. I don't see it that way I think he was authentic He was he was a man of his principles and of his beliefs and he recognized that this time in the limelight was over. I think a lot of people over the years have tried to create heat between Vince Junior and Bob. Really, there I think at the time Bob Felt bad about the way that the transition happened and didn't. Like the idea of Hulk Hogan is the champion but he understood it and certainly with the passage of time you know I was present for a really remarkable meeting between back and Vince junior who I think really had affection for one another back in those days they were You know they're about the same age and there had been this this chasm that had been created between the two of them you know and. when when Bob met with Vince Junior to talk about the hall of fame I I was I was there I was in the office and You know the two of them had a really genuine sort of you know hug and and and We're I. Think happy to have. Gotten past, you know the history I think. Bob. Really understands now with the passage of time and and and the lens of history why Vince Junior went that direction he did and and You know I don't think he begrudges it at all I think he understands it. And as far as the transition itself goes You know there's there's there's been a lot of discussion about Oh back backlit didn't want to drop the title to the math superstar. He didn't want to drop the title of this guy or that guy it's it's that's that's all fiction Vince senior approached back lend at the TV taping in December and said we're GONNA, make a change and It's going to happen with the Sheikh at the garden he was just the guy who happened to be there at that time How do you want to go? into second and Backley, was very grateful to Vince senior for the opportunity to to have a hand in the booking and to decide how to how to put it over and You know didn't want to surrender the title through one of the you know. Time honored ways of a foot on the rope or you know some foreign object or some screw job or something he said, no, we gotta we gotta put the title over the way that you know it should be put over it should be put words. In. There shouldn't be doubt about who the winner West and so Back. Lynn. Came up with the idea of. Having school and throw in the towel and and then senior liked it thought about it and the next night? I think in Hamburg I can't remember which one was which Hamburg with I I think hampered with second Came back and said I liked that Bob and patted him on the on the backside and. And that was that. And and then when they met for the pre-match instructions in in the. Bowels of the garden on the twenty six, th of December that was the finish. And It was not a screw job It was not as as many people have speculated on the Internet. There's no and school and was you know in on it with? No it was it was Bob's idea from the beginning and it was a pretty convincing finish I thought and it it puts the chic over. That's for sure. Harley remember the days when women's wrestling matches were relegated to the mid card dumping ground and treated like uncle horrified intermission. You mean the era when only men in the top spots heads getting the biggest matches every night. Yeah. Vaguely. Seriously while we might have a long way to go, we really have come a long way. and. That's why we started grit and glitter comcast covering the best in the world of women's wrestling from the Horse Women, wwe to the goddesses of star and everyone in between. Each Tuesday emily myself and our team of guest correspondence talk the best matches and the biggest news in women's wrestling. Plus interviews deep dives in discussions about everything for media representation gear to women behind the scenes ropes just search. P W torch PODCAST APP of your choice to subscribe or listen on demand and the entire PW Torch David cast schedule at W. Torch Day we cast dot com. He was the perfect. The, perfect transitional champion for Hall Hogan. I think the stories about. I think a lot of Rustler's are taught to at some point in their career about being world champion about being important world champions. Then I wouldn't be surprised ability math superstar wasn't but it just made more sense for the iron sheik. The The USA USA, part of Hall Cogan and Hulkamania is dot in a little bit and and frankly same thing with bobby back when so for for the sheikh from Iran to beat the all American boy and then turn around and run into you know the force that was Hulkamania at that time you know was common. So booking to me yeah, it's but You know to think about it. It just worked out that way. You know it was it was fortunate that 'cause row was the next Guy you know and and it hadn't come together 'cause if you if you look at the, there's a, there's a match from the spectrum in new member were backend is one and done with with with the sheikh he pins him. With backslide in the middle of the spectrum ring and So you know it was it was a little surprising You know to to see the sheet go over unless you knew what was going on you know behind the scenes with with Vince junior and Hogan and and and Vern Ganja and all of that. but yeah, I thought the booking made sense I. think back when the booking make made sense and you know and the finish was was bob's idea and he was You know I think the rumor about back when not being willing to drop the title to on Wrestler is is well, it's false but I think where it came from is that it's. SORTA The flipside of that story Bob was very happy to drop the title to row because the two were good friends back. Then the sheik was not the shell of a person that he is. Now he was you know a very real You know amateur trained Guy who was a very serious with his with his training regimen and and clean at the time. And so you know Bob was I. Think very happy to to to have the sheikh be the guy because he was an authentic wrestler but it wasn't that he was unwilling to drop the title to someone who wasn't an authentic wrestler it was just that the sheikh wasn't authentic wrestler and that made Bob Happy. So. That's I think where we're that you know we're that rumor got started. What happened with? Bill EADIE. I have no idea. I personally love to the mass superstar as a he'll even though I was a huge backlog fan I thought the mass superstar was one of the one of the best heels that the WWF had seen in a long time and the way he was sort of going through people with that neck breaker and you know crippling Eddie Gilbert quote unquote criticizing you know. and. stretchering people out on television and then and then doing it to Bob in October at the garden you know giving it to him on the concrete it it it lent itself well and and would have been a pretty good You know a pretty good way for for Bob. To go out to lose to the guy who you know was his Kryptonite maybe right. You could have told the story that way this is the guy that has bob's number pop can't figure out. you know how how to beat but as you pointed out the fact that the sheik was. You know this anti-american force and background with the all American boy and then the book and on the other side is hulk. Hogan the guy with the American hero t shirt when he comes to the ring it's perfect. It's perfect booking. Final topic for for up today. Want. Thank you for really Excuse me just pulling together one of the best fat most fascinating stories from there. I think that Bob Backline is an anomaly in a lot of in the professional wrestling doesn't send a lot of positive ways and and he's a cornerstone. Of the company that that you know that. That has the most market share and professional wrestling's Day and I I just I. It was the Book I. Hope to read when I heard there was a back autobiography and and it's so exceeded my expectations I. Think he did a great job. Well, appreciate that tell everyone you know. We're we're definitely we're definitely hoping to create some buzz you know and and get people talking about the book. It's it's more than a wrestling book. You know it's a story. It's a story of of perseverance and and hope and effort and overcoming. You know unbelievable odds to I. Mean You know what we've talked about obviously is what fascinates us which is the inner workings of the business right now because we all watched it and lived and lived through it but you know the the the backbone of the story is this remarkable journey of kid who you know really had no reasonable hope. Of of becoming anything and somehow managed to overcome those unbelievable odds and then you know was homeless living in the trunk of his car eating tuna fish out of can with his hands you know making five bucks a night for Leroy mcgurk, and then you know suddenly gets discovered by Terry Funk in Dick. Murdoch and next thing you know you know he's he's the WWF champion I've left a lot out obviously but You know the other the other amazing irony was the fact that the guy who who convinced back when to get into the business with superstar Graham. and to just to book in that story, you know the the night that they were both working out in the gym and Fargo. Graham was wrestling for the AWA and backward was still in college and was just working out in the gym and Graham comes up tobacco and and says, Geez you know have you ever thought about becoming a pro wrestler because you look you look good. And back when said no but it was the second time that somebody had suggested that and and Graham recommended that you know that Bob go get trained as a as a wrestler and then next thing you know who standing across the ring at the garden but but superstar Graham the guy who brought him in it's IT'S A. You know if if it was fiction, it would be would be hokey Yeah. The that superstar Billy Graham was in the midst of this fascinating cycle in his career, and then it played out later on just how celebrity and fame works in our country and worse than and in pro wrestling and how it worked with with superstar Billy Graham, and then back on is one of the better on themes of the book. I you know and and also you know. Billy Graham AH has has a lot of of bitterness toward Bob and you know you can understand that and and Bob doesn't understand it and he he he understands it in a way that I think Billy Graham doesn't know that he understands it because. you know Bob will tell you that in nineteen eighty four when the lights went out and that's you know we we We actually titled The chapter the night the lights went out on Broadway the village still thought but You know when the lights went out back when you know plunged into a a pretty serious depression Because you know, it's hard for any of us to imagine what it's like to to travel around. You know with that kind of celebrity walking down the aisle and have twenty thousand people screaming for you. You know and cheering for you and hugging you just wanting to touch you and then waiting outside the arena the get your autograph till the wee hours of the morning, and then all of a sudden that's gone. it's done and and nobody's paying attention to you anymore. It's like somebody turn the faucet off. that's you know a pretty interesting psychological dilemma for somebody to overcome in and back when says you know I I get it. You know Graham was white hot. He was incredibly over He was great on the microphone. and even though he run through most of the baby faces and you know that's why the WWF model didn't really allow for heel champions for very long because it takes longer to to build a baby face with credibility than it does to to to build a he'll but but Graham you know could have been turned and probably would have worked as as a as a face if he had turned and you know he was lobbying for that and the fact that that the Vince didn't go for it I think was crushing for him and and You can understand you can understand that and so. Bob Basically says look I I understand why bill angry and bitter and and and upset because I felt it to you know in Nineteen eighty-four when when the world moves to Hogan and forgot about me, I felt the same way So that was interesting Let me just let me just end with this There's you know. It's important for us to do this this week instead of next week when we have bob on the phone to. You know there's been a lot of talk about the Mr background character and and the hall of fame speech and the you know the Verne gone your funeral and all that stuff and people wondering like is is Bob on okay. You know you has he gone off the deep end is he you know something wrong with them? You know I've worked with this guy for five years as as closely or more closely than anybody else has over the last five years. Bob back is a is a quirky guy You know he's he's an amazing incredibly decent honorable generous to a fault, guy. WHO's quirky? You know he's quirky because of his upbringing he's quirky just generally because that's the way he is but you know he's been to dinner at my house he's played with my children I've spent countless hours across the table from him The Mr Backlash character is a work he tends to break into it more than than I would like because you know it's not my favorite part of his his career but it's it's a work and when he when he does that Quirky Mr Backman stuff. he's working when he turns that off. he's brought back land and You know there's there's nothing wrong with him. He's He's he's the same lovable normal You know quiet soft spoken humble guy that he's always been. Thank you for listening to the weight. 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APP to subscribe or listen on demand insidious tire pw torch daily schedule at PW torch daily past dot com. Cheers. That will you kinda covered my closing question which was, and maybe you can add to it briefly, which is what surprised you most? In the last five years getting to know him so well that contradicted or surprised you based on what you had seen from afar. As. A fan of his and. A student. Of the industry. I guess the most surprising thing was the choice that he made in nineteen, eighty, four You know the wrestling businesses is a work right? It's it. You are a character in a passion play. That's what it's all about. and you know Bob Backlands just you know simple kid from Princeton Minnesota who grew up you know with with very modest means not a lot of education you know and and and wanting for lot somehow managed to cobble together the the character to understand that in nineteen eighty-four when he was faced by the choice of taking these lucrative contracts from the WWF to turn heel and and chase in. and. You know history proves that he he he could do it. Right? Everybody said about Baba could never be healed where we saw he could. And that you know that that turn made. Made a lot of sense from a storytelling point of view But he he turned it down and he turned down millions of dollars as a consequence and and to talk to him about it. He doesn't have an ounce of remorse about that and and and when you probe him on it and you really push and you ask and you and you and you try to get you know really you don't have any remorse about the fact that you were. Off The stage during the the real heyday of the industry he says, no because I have my integrity, I can look those kids in the I when I was. On the Mat with them at at at the wrestling tournaments when I had faded into obscurity and I knew that I had done the right thing. I just don't think there are many people in the world that would have made that choice. and. I'll tell you. It was very affirming for me because you know we spent five years putting this book together and You know it was all on speculation. We didn't know if three people would buy it when we were done but You know to to to learn that this guy had that kind of character. And made that kind of choice you know was really that surprised me even even it's probably to even me who idolize this guy for what I thought he was and it turned out he was exactly what I thought he was. and more. So I just don't think there are many people in the world that would have especially coming from his background that would have that would have had the the the. Sort of moral compass to figure that out. Rob Thank you so much for your time. I have really enjoyed hearing more stories and we're going to do our best to sell some copies of the book because it does come with their recommendation. We don't do that for every book and so it means something I hope when I tell people this is a a real important piece of considering herself a student of the industry and understanding its evolution and It's a fascinating book about a person, not just the wrestling aspect of it, but it's well written. It's very detailed and it is a window into how the wrestling industry worked leading up to. You know Vince McMahon junior as he's known a major change in the beginning of kind of the national expansion wrestlemainia era. So thank you for your time. We'll talk to you next week with Bob Bruce, Mitchell senior collins with pros and torch. Thank you so much for for for being here today to. Enjoy a fascinating book and. As I said Bob back in one of the cornerstones of what we watch today great to have the insight into his career as life. Thank you and thank you both for what you do oath. Thank you. Yes, and the book is available right now as an e book that's how I consumed it on my nook. You can also get it on Amazon kindle device. If you order it on kindle, you can go to torch dot com slash Amazon, and then click on the link and we'll get a little bit of commission on on the sale to if you want to do that that's all your Amazon purchases by the way Pete Torch Dot com slash Amazon start there click on the link land on Amazon homepage and click away the book is back land from all American boy to professional wrestling's world champion. It has a five star rating right now on Amazon and I think after you read it, you'll add a five star rating to that also. So check that out. We'll talk to you next week. Rob Miller thank you so much again for your generous time in insights today. Looking to it my pleasure guys excellent tonight, good night and Bruce. Thank you very much. We'll be hearing from you tomorrow with Travis Bryant on this very show the Friday edition. You. Will. All right. Thank you. Again everybody for joining us today and We'll having Bob Ackland with us next week with a good phone connection and robbed joining us to so thank everybody for listening and until next time personal. Keller signing off. We're now on Patriae on by popular demand, you can now support us directly through patriotic goto patriotic dot com slash P W torch VIP we have three tiers including an entry level tier one that takes the ads plugs away. 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Episode 70 - Master Alchemy Coach Chip Does A Power Half Hour

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Episode 70 - Master Alchemy Coach Chip Does A Power Half Hour

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And this is really an excellent one to meditate or just Kinda Joan out I call it cloud nine, and it will put you into another relaxed state. It will fix the the vibrations at of your shock res- well they will raise the vibrations up there and you feel just the ultimate. This is how I feel all the time. With all this stuff, so that's why I decided share with you guys here. If you're sound healing, meditators or sound, healing, musician, and you like to get your stuff played here on the monitor spiritual. Life coaching podcast. All you have to do is write me an email at chip. Add modern spiritual podcasting DOT COM, that's chep at modern spiritual podcasting dot com send me an email with their MP3 three, and we'll get it on the air here, and then I'll return it back with an email is well. Let's you know when it's going to air. What episode? And Right now I'm GONNA. Bid You good day. Good night! 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Jim Henson

Bedtime History: Inspirational Stories for Kids

08:49 min | 8 months ago

Jim Henson

"Welcome to bedtime history. Hello this Brek. A shoutout to our newest donors Michael From Jasper Illinois and Delaney and Colin from Oregon. If you'd like to donate bedtime history, go to bed time history stories, dot com, and Click on donate in the menu to donate via Patriae on also Sydney from Roanoke Virginia. Thanks for the Awesome Apple podcast review. One more thing I released the second episode about Cleo and Lance the secret agents of the Explorers Society. In this episode, they travel to ancient Egypt to help the Pharaoh find his stolen sector. You can find the audio narration at Bedtime History Stories Dot com a big to everyone who donated towards the first episode. This gave me the chance to create the second one. If you listened to the second episode, enjoy it any donation is appreciated and no donation is too small. Thanks again. Close Your eyes in time travel back to the days when television didn't exist how would you spend your screen time differently? Maybe, you know someone who's alive before televisions were invented. Have you ever asked them questions about what it was like or what they might have done instead of watching television. Now imagine you were growing up at that time. The television became available in your family purchased their own TV. You can watch TV in black and white news programs, sitcoms, and yes even cartoons. Today's episode is about a boy named Jim Henson whose life was changed when his family got their first TV. He saw those shows the actors on them and the stories they told and decided that he wanted to be on television himself someday. Jim Henson was born in September nineteen, thirty, six in Mississippi. His family love jokes and laughing Jim spent a lot of time with his grandparents who helped him create amazing art projects. He also loved to go to the theater and watch movies and especially loved Westerns and movies that took place in far off places. He and his friends would spend their playtime dressing up and acting out the movies they saw using homemade props and they're big imaginations. Jim also grew up listening to radio broadcasts shows and his favourite performer was Edgar Bergen Ventriloquist of entr. ill-equipped is someone who can talk without moving his lips or mouth. Jim saw this and thought it was amazing. Later his family moved in Maryland and they purchased their first. TV when Jim was just thirteen years old jim watched a show called Kuka friend and. which featured puppet performers he loved the way. The puppets appeared to be real creatures that people could laugh with share stories with and be friends with. The puppets were alive in a way and that was magical. Jim Dreamed about being on television himself. As soon as Jim turned sixteen, he started looking for a job in television with all the local stations. Sadly, they all said No. This was hard for Jim. He didn't give up. He later heard that one of the stations was looking for a puppeteer. So checked out some books on puppetry built some puppets and applied for the job. He got the job building puppets for a Saturday morning. Children's program called the morning show with hard work practice and determination he was accomplishing his goal. Jim Henson. Went to college at the University of Maryland College Park in college took a puppetry class and produced a puppet show called Salmon friends for W RC TV. The puppets in the show or early versions of what would later become the muppets including a prototype or version of kermit the. FROG. Jim worked on the show he invented new puppetry and filming methods that are still in use today such as allowing the puppeteer to work off camera by using the frame defined by the camera shot. At this time, most puppets were made from wood and we're not very expensive. Instead Jim used fabric covered foam rubber to give his puppets greater ability to express emotion. Instead of strings he is rods to manipulate the puppets also increase the range of expression of the puppets. While Jim was working on the salmon friends show he met and worked with Jane Neville another student at the university they would later begin dating eventually got married in Nineteen fifty-nine. The success of Salmon Friends led the Henson's puppets appearing on talk shows like the Steve Allen show the Jackpot program and the Ed Sullivan Show. These are similar to Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy. Kimmel, shows in our day. Henson's puppets also became famous when they were used in TV commercials such as the Wilkin Coffee Company commercial in Washington DC. In nineteen sixty, nine Jim was asked to join the team working on a new children's program called Sesame Street. On the show his muppets would be characters who lived in the neighborhood of Sesame Street interacted with the human characters. The show was meant to teach children. In count as well as show children, how to share, take and get along. One thing that kids loved was the variety of the muppets each character was unique and represented a different type of personality. There was big bird, the foot tall yellow bird who's innocent and curious like. Oscar the grouch, the monster that lives in the trash can and shows that it's okay to be grouchy sometimes or have a different opinion. then. There's elmo, the enthusiastic monster who loves to have fun and discover new things. Than Burden Ernie Unlikely Best Friends who are completely opposite in just about every way burt love's oatmeal and pigeons all Ernie loves taking baths with as rubber ducky and playing jokes on burt. Then there's count Von Count, the number obsessed vampire cookie monster. He'll do anything for his favorite food cookies. It was a huge success and the characters from the sesame street are loved by many people who grew up with them. If you haven't seen sesame street, ask your parents because I'll bet they have. Jim? Henson. Designed the puppets but also move them around and perform them these puppets included Ralph the dog Ernie Dorf, the Swedish Chef Guy Smiley Dr Teeth Captain Vegetable. Many more. To reach more audiences and bring his stories and characters to all kinds of people, kids, and adults. Jim Henson, created more muppets and new shows for them to. Be Stars. In. The muppet show is a variety show consisting of many kinds of muppets and a weekly guest star working together to put on a show for television audience. With colorful characters like Miss Piggy. Fosse, the bear animal guns, Oh, scooter and Kermit the frog and superstar guest hosts like Julie Andrews Elton John, Vincent Price, and Steve Martin. There is something on the muppet show for everyone. Although much of the show is chaos it showed people everywhere that inspite of chaos and our differences. The most important thing is to focus on being together and having fun. The muppets went on to star in feature films like the muppet movie, the Great Muppet Caper and the Muppets take Manhattan Jim also created the Henson Foundation to teach puppetry and improve the art design puppetry in the United. States. He. Combined puppetry in animatrix puppet like robots. He was even involved in the creation of one of the most famous puppets of all time iota from the star wars movies. Over the years Jim. Never lost sight of his vision of sharing his characters and stories with as many people as possible even shared his work with his five. All of them began working with muppets at an early age were able to spend time with their father in this way. When asked about his dream Jim Henson said, it's about singing and dancing and making people. Happy. That's the kind of dream that gets better. The more people you share it with. Jim started out with the dream of being on television and throughout his life he was able to reach people through TV and other ways. He's an example of never giving up on the dream and of helping people to come together and laugh and share the things they love and enjoy in order to learn and have fun fun together. Thanks for listening to bedtime history and be sure to tune in next week.

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Welcome to 2020

Two Broads Talking Politics

19:34 min | 1 year ago

Welcome to 2020

"We wish you a year indictments a hey. Thanks for Christmas last year. Bring bring muscles the jail around your Christmas out of office next year league legal issue again vs shine that I heavy one. This is Kelly. This is too broad talking politics. The song you just heard is by by a group called. Sing out Louise in New York City. No here another song from them again at leader. I am on today with my co-host Sophie. Hey Sofi a Kelly. Happy New Year. Even though you're sick thank you happy new year to you too. Happy Twenty twenty I Ecstatic that it is finally twenty twenty. I kill and I. I think that it's a year that a lot of people have been really looking forward to and so it really exciting to wake up today and see twenty twenty on the calendar for the first time so yeah still no flying cars or anything but The chance wants to vote in November I think outweighs everything else. So we've got some things for this episode so just kind of a fun episode. We've got some voicemails from our our listeners. Some things that they wanted to say we have in addition to another song by singer Louise We also have coming up in a little bit. You'll hear a feminist version of baby. It's cold outside which is sung by genevieve fears and John Vincent who are both chicagoans and genevieve has been on the podcast before she's one of the producers of run the series And so that's very very cool. I'm glad that that's going to be on. And then we're also going to have a song Toward the end by Andre Washington. He has several songs. He's also a Chicagoan. He's has several songs that he's done for. Liz Mus Which is Elizabeth Warren Christmas? So we'll we'll have the listless song which anyone who listens to. This probably already has figured out that Sophie and I have an slight favorite for the Democratic primary. So what what things things are you happy to be done within twenty nineteen. Oh Gosh I'm happy to be done with all of twenty nineteen much torn teen from a personal Kim part standpoint with hard but also from a political standpoint so much of it was there were some interesting races but it was hard to get people engaged on because most people are focused on twenty twenty so even the racist that we were able to be working on. We're sort of fighting against I think the general propensity didn't say Oh this doesn't matter. Twenty twenty is the big one so it's nice to sort of move on from that kind of off year Vie uh-huh and really get ready for sort of the event that a lot of people were thin thinking about four four years presidential election that also to can you start thinking about some important Senate races that we're going to be engaged in some some local ballot races That can benefit from sort of national environment. So I think I'm really glad to leave. Twenty nineteen hundred me different levels. How about you yeah? Yeah no I agree. I think there was a lot of good. That happened in two thousand nineteen. I had a piece that I wrote recently for dumb. Cast about the top ten and Nancy Pelosi moments of twenty nineteen but even that it was clear that like a lot happened at the beginning of twenty and eighteen and a lot happened at the end of twenty nineteen. In the summer. I must have just sort of glossed over it in my mind but this summer was a long slog democratic infighting happening. There was a lot of will they. Won't they impeach. I'm glad summer twenty and eighteen is far past us at this point. Because I'm ready to move on to I think I I I don't know about you but Of course I normally live in a very very very liberal place on the south side of Chicago. I am as we're recording in Ohio in a not so liberal place than it's been very very interesting sociologically to sort of see what's going on here. I see lots of trump flags which is weird weird for me. I'm but I'm also you know I. I haven't shied away from wearing my democratic t shirts around and I've had people come up to me in here. My thoughts on the primary and they're excited needed to get rid of trump. So you know. I think it's going to be a twenty year. Yeah I am also in Ohio temporarily About like an hour away from you And I'm in town which is sort of kind of portrayed in the national media is prime trump territory although it actually the the Kelly actually went for Hillary Clinton introduced sixteen and I did note that there were no trump science when we drove down to you father South which is in Columbia County which is a much more conservative Republican district and which had had several trump signed when we drove down there in April. But I have not seen any. We see two vanished. Yeah I've only seen a few here and I haven't seen any Maga- hats or anything things so you know we'll see we'll see. I'm not going to predict that. Start counties go for a Democrat or anything but so even if start counting moves a little bit to the left that's a good sign for the rest of the country. Heck yeah well so I think we have a ton to look forward to you. We have a ton. Look forward to on the PODCAST. We have just so many great gusts booked for January starting two days from now January. Third Senator Debbie Stab. Now will be on Vivo. Devote her in episode. So that's going to be super exciting so I hope everybody will listen. We're not gonNA have very many men on in January if any it's going to be mostly women and I don't think we'll keep that up all your because there's so many important races going on With meal Democrats running for a little bit. Well we'll keep up the girl power. Yeah we we have a couple of exciting races coming up Before we get to November. I'm thinking particularly of the Wisconsin. Supreme Court race with We're GONNA have joker off Sqi on to talk with us In the next month or so. And it's a very exciting eating race here in Wisconsin as listeners longtime listeners Wisconsin Supreme Court is elected and sort of go back and forth. It's always a very a close race and the last two we won one so It should be pretty exciting and it'll be a nice thing to get excited about output me before the primaries really Yep. Yeah and you'll hear a voicemail very soon on here from the campaign for a guy who's in a a special election in Pennsylvania for the state legislature and January fourteenth so that super super soon and then of course we recently talked to Dr Olas says Markowitz who is running in Texas and a special election on January twenty eighth. So that's also very soon. So yeah there's GonNa be some important specials lots of down ballot stuff lots. That's a primary is of course happening so this is going to be a year where you just can't escape. Elections are going to be happening constantly. All right well I I announced on twitter so I will end on facebook so announce here my resolution. My only non-political resolution for the air is that. I want to be able to do fifty pushups in a row by the end of the year so I am expecting everyone listening to hold me accountable. I can currently do. Do you have any political or non-political resolutions sophy my only Galician. This year is to kill him. Those this but I've been having some Emotional or mental health struggles. And I'm so I'm trying to get get my anxiety under control again and I'm just really looking forward to a trip that I'm going to be taken with my family My husband and my son in Book my parents. It's are coming with me on a month long trip through Italy and Greece. Where hopefully I'll be able to interview so Italian and Greek people and then ask them Sort of what they think about our political moment and not to be too jealous back here take. It should be very interesting. Yeah I know I I am thrilled for you. I think that's super exciting. And we can't wait to hear about everything. And and hopefully you get interviews to see what people think of the US. Right now. Which I'm assuming is not very good? So what just for my Sampling link it's not great but Yeah we'll we'll see all right. Well I think with that We will wrap up this part of the episode and you should keep glistening for lots of good voicemails and songs and if you hear any What sounds voicemail but the voice instead of being a woman sounds like an eight year old boy that is because teddy is going to read? The text of some of the voice mails that people send by email instead all right well happy new year and I look forward to all the exciting stuff that happens in twenty twenty definitely happy New Year Kelly. Hello this is Marie from Minneapolis. Minnesota by political political resolution for twenty twenty is finally to people who didn't vote in two thousand sixteen and let them know that they can take time off of work to vote after the twenty sixteen election. I was talking to my friend Dave and he had said something along the lines. I didn't vote I had to work. OMG IN MINNESOTA. You're legally allowed. Take time to vote. And you'll get penalized for. He didn't know that so we just do it the to broad post statute on their website. Dave knows about about voting time. Now and you bet your ass and find other people. Every vote counts. I really can't stay. Anti flows on the way Eh. Let's make a plan. I really must go get some supply. Put your feet up and John Nine to five years and Ben and Jerry's comes by car split the L.. Let's get the car and go on. Just call it a bad slumming. Oh `bout we get China that time of the month spring rose and soy sauce and I made my child to serve you. I need a change. This view dot such bossom. Leave this I really am unhappy on your side else. Because its gall down this take out his great great Kung just gain weight. Stole a great. Anyhow the snow's coming this pillow Steiner Stanley Career for what King. But I just want just that I could do this yes I have never done. NAPPI updated kid. We can start to prepare for some good truck bed we have. It can't be. Why don't you trust more in media? Perfect House certainly try and doubt tried. Make Love Live This is what a firmness looks like babe. Hey Jamie from Utah here. I have one political resolution for twenty funny vote. Blue no matter who my name is Nathan London and the Campaign Manager for Michael Schroeder or. PA Senate. He's he's running in a special election. That's GonNa take place on January fourteenth and I really just want attention the on this race from across the nation. Because it's a it's a real opportunity for send a message that in Pennsylvania we are paying. The play is as has Democrats and we We aren't aren't messing around we. I Really WanNa win this one and says a good precedent for flipping the cacique from it this year. Hopefully the state has to and they might just bring it on home in November for the presidential so It's Forty a Senate district in Pennsylvania. The candidate name is Michael Schroeder. And I hope that you will check it out for much Host wonderful to Moscow. It was wonderful of. He is with Jani. You wrap ears this gene. Aw Parties Z.. When she so it all depends Israeli about Waco? Your junior it is the most the most wonderful the Mendi Schwartz from Carlsbad California. My resolution for twenty twenty is to not be afraid and stand up against bigotry. Prejudice and anti-semitism and. I'm hoping that this time next year. We'll be celebrating a blue America. Happy New Year. Hey Hey this is Dr Nolan. Hick didn't have along the line. I political aspiration for twenty twenty. Is that the corporate media and political class will start referring to Donald. Trump is what he is a fascist. Just invite him with the same vigor side Bernie Sanders for being a democratic socialist. Is Chris Hammond in Missouri. I have a call to action resolution and hope my call to action is to get Missouri residents registered to vote from the campaign manager sighed. My resolution is to get my candidate. John Keeney who is running for Missouri State State Rep in House district one hundred ten to gain momentum and grassroots support by doing one hundred and ten events in front of voters by November. I twenty twenty then. Of course my hope opus. He wins on November third gut billion news. Joe Again to keep your guts just pitch into since the wealth. Inlets can pay for labs like that. Public schools in Pre K. Walmart Oppressors all tidings of warren advanced plans all riding up more. And and the go-to implants for you with their two cents. You can take your choice. HP Z.. You Yours Dude. Disappearing never will come new. Warren Man's and all hiding more in your family will bring you Your kids childcare. And you'll never spend one billion news cried edge us but we'd give up. You're done all the Warren Marry Liz Miss Everyone. This is teddy from cockle. My political call to action is to take your your kids with you devote every time. Mommy and Daddy always take me to vote. And I can't wait until I turned eighteen and get to vote to happy new year. Rudolf Batman Chinese own TV Edinburgh allowed. And then once CEESAY's vein. Donnie came John. The land of Insane Noth- The round bread. Thank you for listening to two bras talking politics. Part of the dim cast podcast network. Our theme song is called. Are you listening off of the album elephant shaped trees as by the band immune and we're using it with permission of the band. Our logo other original artwork is by matthew wetland and was created for use by this podcast. 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S2 E28 The Engine Room: PAUL JIMMY SHARMAN Drummer & Manager of Australia's Longest Running 'ROLLING STONES' TRIBUTE; 'SATISFACTION'

Band It About - Podcast Series

1:07:51 hr | Last month

S2 E28 The Engine Room: PAUL JIMMY SHARMAN Drummer & Manager of Australia's Longest Running 'ROLLING STONES' TRIBUTE; 'SATISFACTION'

"Welcome to the banda about podcast series. Joining me today in the engine room is an drama. He plays in one of australia's longest running tribute bands. My guest today is the one. I late post shaman. Thank you for agreeing to chat with me today. Poll thank you dr sousa. It's an honor to be on the band. Podcasts just started listening to podcasts. I wanna listen to this one and it's finish to listen to it. It will eventually. It will take you a couple of weeks but you get around. Curiosity will get the better of the santa monica voice. I've had to get used to the sound of mine on the one that a lot of anniston let me tell nothing. We're going start from the beginning. Poke cope where we bone I was born in at light but raised on. Isolated fam- In the country. So yeah whereabouts about just just south of port white food. We had That that mom had a three thousand ikea fam- it wasn't all arable and back onto the beach but we couldn't swim there because it was the army Testing ground for roles ayora Out bombs and all that so you could get to the bob offenses. We shouted out there but it was semi arab ouza. It wasn't great country but it was it was always great guy. Walkabout often go camping. Just grab grab candidate things that whatever a rabbit trapping offered guy you know. Your parents have a musical background at all. Mom played piano. I we had a piano in the house. And those paying ourselves. As if america just put me The pike brennan and ply gripe kanye's and dad was Drama the master drama when he's at scotch college in alabama. Now is a big influence. Because you know we always have to watch the scott tattoo in in byron. A ice thing was boring back then. A just listening to all the risks and but now back just think cam experience was an end an influence. I did now in actually got old. Julian stanton which was a drum company. I think there's back than just the one major company drouin saw Some side okay. Get that snare. Drum ma'am Fix dominates heads in that but yeah so because always had music around the house growing up that i'm going to mention something here at the moment everybody has the opportunity to win a free snatching up. Wow from jones. Stephen you might want to into that is leave a message on your favorite. Podcast interview ended the monks eyedropper. We know he's the master of chaining snare drums. But the secret is just to taught the dialogue. The tell paid it cracks. And then becca bekka tune. That's the i think. I think jamal has told me that. Easy john silly is a wonderful guy and as a lot to tell me east. He's written me off so many years winners it. John renos music city found guy and properly advise busiest drama on at night about now. But he's a master of my stalls and drum kit. He can sit up about three minutes so amazing contraption drums despise equally drum heads and he still gets santa john's the goatee man to get stuff. Fake says is a genus. It's definitely worth winning that competition much. Definitely yeah and even even if you forget to drink bring you snap drum jonah. Cape she laughing because he is the king of data jugs so is always found today round so he was very good to interview imagine stories. You will leave a message on that one and enter the competition. I let's get back to you. Where did you go to school. I went to school at promise. School accredited with school baston traveled through the farmland To a rally in twenty seven kids in that school and they went to balaclava which was like going to a city. I don't think we had about three hundred students at the balaclava hostile oma scrolling a lot. My parents public ship. I think was fantastic. Had always say. I need one good taste to inspire you and had more than wanna balaklava study music at all. Then i didn't study music but In year eleven. I think your livin in chemistry class. Three other guys that Plied music clyde penn attacks. There was a teacher. Goggle paid ason. Who used to drive round his panel van. Who's the coolest guy in the district had long hair odds-on on through poverty. Anything can head now else could have with long hair. It's not the longest hair school. Nine music lessons available on the ad. Lifelines in there was all out fifty five. Were big at the time and so in mystery. We thought i'll fifty five. What's element fifty five on the periodic table and that was cesium so we named bang cesium and very proud so that was the first band that had started Out of the school And i could find us. So when did you get s. Kid will i. My first kit was a bit lucky. Smiley gets a box. The papal icicle walk along because we lived on highway one. Fm so he's collect cans didn't get much for them back then. I used to track rabbits and one of the physics teacher at balaklava. Hi mr jot. He had a throw together drum kit and i think psyched up sixty bucks and got. It was terrible kit but at the time he did not might. I don't think i was fifteen fifteen when i got that. Yeah so who will your mental. Since then will i. My god mother's son who's basically A cousin he'd come up the fam- every now and then and he taught me a couple of bisi base of basically. I'll just play along to You know i think chuck berry's gratis hits every night and easy bates gratis use volume one in two so that the teachers really were the great set blues drama bella and snowy fleet and tiny came from the biggest influences a love is day dramas previously have mentioned playing along to the records. Yeah it destroyed my schooling. Because that tom just became obsessed. We drumming cy my bryant into a difference. Different area not. I should've been studying. But every night i was just playing the drums Has luckily my parents didn't stop me. Stein house away when you shut the door not much noise ventura usa because the inability to practice at home can often affect and they did have a stock with so if something if i did upset and that often came out so i was very good at sports i would run winning. The stock rebound runs hundred meters. Kelly couldn't chase after teams in. Yeah yeah they'd sign understand what was back then. No don well. It's still hot you know. Everyone sloth is relative to the thompson's struggles around them but pam. I had a even though paul had i had. I think i had a fantastic upbringing. And i was lucky to get to play music. And when we're not banned in the district said we got playing gigs. So that's good nitric thin. Well my i. My geico thing was the balaclava town hallway. We got to sit in. I think i was fifteen. And i got to sitting in my Godmother's son span bill. Skinner am. I think we'd booked on the committee. I think we are the coaches the The angeles and the last minute. I pulled out And once a year off the east gotta closed on our member. Had some reason while the islanders couldn't plan past allen's music and a- sign on the window saying that closed by having a province go potty. That's that's where era. I'm angels gig went Max band apply set in. But i think that the site album this whole at poll food anglican hole and i think we charge twenty cents a head. I think we've got about twenty dollars. But someone picked up at dole. Man kicked him upside down and all the money with through the host. I'll think we went behind with about ten boxing to go. Yeah so you know. Apply gate of of always. Say the best. Never apply. Because i was in a band that ordina. Sim summa suj- battle. The band's glance with favor just before i had watched one of my mice but the big we didn't play was to ten thousand central districts. I will when. I won the grand fond on the head of big lineup advance and we were the headline act. That was the rocking stein's and so it was like the doors at miami. I was on stage every band plied. Pass the time we're on stage just just hitting my drums getting a sound check and just looking at these papers. This is going to be big next minute. The place jump on count fly so what the spice it was lighter. In loss i was getting haven't to ply the nfl grandfather To thirty thousand people that was that was pretty cool pretty cool. Yeah which lineup was that. That was set affection that was. We've poll curtis who sang. I for many years Phil kelly on guitar lenny. Roy's of course lianne who is still with us The mast vice man calls google amaechi. I'm fif- legal on piano. And wanna sues friends a mock fernandez. I think place plant square. He wanted to get them. Sties my golliwog wig imply kongers. You can get on If anyone say you see. 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Nfl when he said if you've got a gig on this style should not sit. How would you like to play the nfl. Grandfather don't see. Let me think about it for about half a second. How about yes so. That was good fan. Yeah you never hesitate with things like that. do you know they they. They rare opportunities grabbing breath. Anything absolutely what was she job. After school with my parents being child my mother obviously wanted to get rid of our member going for job. Kony's and a seven thirty hours a shy of contra kidding bisgaard is pants slum in front of me and sent me the pencil oppo. J. overheated spikes that guy too a job inspire pops fifty nine dollars forty a week. I think it's the lowest paid profession. Get so That was my first job. Basically full holden. Gelo cody franson backed in wanting to Was a holden and fortunately for general motors I needed a lot of pop so it was a big business. A that was my job. Okay is there a band that you wish you had played with good question. What was in front of me Played some great original bands. in grotte kava bans spies. I've got a passion for american swing And and royal crown revue who lucky seven bands. They sort of Outside by you know they performances on but see. I'm saying anything out of school. So i love american swing and particularly the dramas of you know the forties and fifties era. You know jane creeper body reached. Louie louis belsen. I'm a big fan of that melodic. Tom tom and swing. It's you know it's one thing to play rock You know supply pice swing. The americans. Just kill it. Think in in two hundred and forty million. What is i. Think xiv one million americans pie drums which is you know. It's a very very inspirational now. That music to me anyway. Excellent that's another common denominator a lot of the guys interviewed. We've been a certain age group either. Fifty say i tend to really like that sort of here in drumming. I was lucky. I had a very good friend of mine. Pat harvey's to help with promotions. When the stein's thing happened in who's always talking about this swing band row crime review and have good. The drama was yada. Yada yada and and now swing. I remember the jimmy miller movie and thinking. I don't want to go see a ban sitting around. Why dainik jumpers on a bandstand and then one day. He said that he drives to camber to see the band. He couldn't get in because he found was fifteen so he tries to. And i thought if to draw that father and drive again and i'll wait and sold them the govern It was a real musical awakening to see this this powerhouse band who the movie. The mask is is people by sony spanned And they play in in the movie with the famous dancing with cameron diaz And yet i remember meeting scott and you click some people that just -plied At the government you know you know how to shout came out suited up and pet introduced me to him and taught him on his term indeed. Do the chali stick lift on the tune. 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And our regard those guys they're astrology music rages not not adelaide thown plies and with the harris stays brown style. The show on charting by can't remember what we started. We've but he was doing this. How and The the geek is went off and also need to be held to ransom by a musician. Some some you know this guy celtics but from that moment on brown canyon just control an audience they they wednesday tokes people everyone iran listens and you can hear a pin drop and storytelling is great to and he's fema after the fits on thank you very much. Many great audience could not wanna stay fibers. but then i thought okay I'm going to have to step up. And i remember. I had had frank clang in the band when we lost advice. Pliant and franks And disciplined. Hungarian australian. can be grumpy. Which is a great energy. Sometimes he's he's right the pie we saw little from franken thing poll to run a band. You copy you can't be a democracy you need. You need to be declared a salmon dictator Are the from that moment. I guide must be now. You could call a bad time. A lot of stress I'm a great believer in just tykwer loss throws at you know throws it. You started slowly to learn you know how to manage. You met a lot of mistakes to might mistake. He lend from stikes. Mistakes are meant to happen. That's part of the human condition and sorry from the in all of this. You know letting the time you know about had a nice important thing imagining ban is interpersonal skills You're better off with with the champion tain than a team champions typically tight loss from the terry long and and you know i'm very lucky and very proud and honored to just play with seven other. Sometimes i sometimes it's twelve other musicians. Who concede uh to be family and now he's probably spent as much time with them as i have written members of my family. Is it selfish. Narcissistic business music. Now let's say you got family holidays. Anniversaries weddings pissed is You know i side. I lock him up. Maude panera forty four years. It's not only great. Rhody am she's put up with it all not banned without not good support when the raw team together as she said how. My wife has suffered that you've looked after return really will can be made mile on either because so many just don't don't get and down because of it is a selfish but it's i think like every music becomes is oh my oh my and addiction and always say that might drug the can reply. The hot is and the lows of plying. You know locked music is just the cathodic is just when you look out and you know what i lock. Easy certain people. Hi i'm happy. You know It's just you know an and you know when people come and this i you know how much sign enjoyed suitable or not in the finance and is good to we know when people come up and say hi this wrong away you know i. Love hearing is compliments. His comments more than a compliment is sometimes when people complimenting legis drunk and they wanna say what you want to awesome senior useful. Only here. I want to get the bad stuff. Probably both of the good stuff. Because i think like my my plight is on a path of continuous education and that that doesn't just apply to music that applies to to any job. I think You know is that is the joy of the joy of learning and also the joy of mistakes if not night mistakes not trying hard enough or haven't practiced in a matter of having the ability to recognize and get around anybody in the audience nursing that there was one off. Gotta sangyo selling cars. You draw through accidents you know. If if i remember younger alabama's if someone did a fluff the batman turn around and give a death stare The audience missed instantaneous Familly second and if you've got good plies You you you you look around you and i sometimes mistakes qassam bennett. Because hey no. It wasn't as we try to play close to the the laws asians or recorded as much as you can charlie. Watts has been a study of twenty two years. Some stooling stuff. He's he's an unorthodox trauma your land staffing side that word united. Let's do a little bit of the law and lugarda sti vision Yeah we've oh your involvement with these different bands over the years on your sure that you would have at least one memorable gig story that you'd like to share. No no no. This is take many Probably think you know the joy a poll pang board and a cop in the city. I worked forty hours during the week. Do twenty is not stacking shows. Plying fraud inaudible i an auto seminar norwick sunday. I always stacking shelves are running to a normal school buddy from balaclava high and he was putting a band together And that band was last result. We plied combination of originals. Not just probably plying the alma. Somebody small gigs. Applying in a band with peggy and new ward brother and sister And implied piano the joy of sibling singing implying in a van. That was the spice moments. Where just a hair on the back in just exactly And that was a great man. We got true having a good manager ken. Montgomery i think cameras to warner's or am i lady we save your sunny can't go to the well not can't we got into the research with your host crooked comply watcher that was with when safari set one. I think it was nice fixed address. The day goes Vical how'd the budgies even though is secret glandular fever did watchos very it was good to see The out front so that was probably a memorable gig. That i didn't lie but i've got to say just how good last resort were of the bands that you've lied. We've used enjoyed the mice g. Think voyeur that was A bam with peterson of burke's applying around town are member going to fm audio. These little hesse roy opposite. What was the longest in high tonazzi. Greis ainley are going for ocean for that gig i think oh addition twenty one or twenty two dramas and got down to the last two. Got the fine co. Thanks yada yada yada. In about two weeks later they find out and it. All that drama didn't work out. And i'll see how mean he goes. Go to ocean again. Anyway i got through the audition. I think was my new sean thomas socket and my attitude that got me in but i had to learn twenty one songs in about non chain is in the by spout reconquered. Who's a music tapes He he got me through an and nothing. Twenty three or twenty four. Tom but off just tied straight ahead. You know songs rock and roll and it was the first home ahead saloon and being a not a taught drama I had to learn syncopation. Song was originally seen did a duck duck duck do that. You know so you lent to. I'll do poly-rhythms and Voyeur wayne rockstars. We had in the warehouse wing food truck. Brian stereo pay i and the to riding in the business. He's the by discuss. There wasn't a grain room with inside the guys. We had plenty of blacks. I take to build a grain room with full powers and They were a very good ban. But i ended up leaving them to I had a good job. Offer amount. gambia famine that sort of followed. Andy would join the band. I changed the name and yes so that they were probably the i really professional band. And we had good management gawk code. Alexandra lucky but he sees anglo nine. Alex hamilton to get gigs again. That was that was great band band. Excellent now of course she's always worked to support yourself in the background of have taken a cutler breakthrough don music futons it. Yeah it's in hard pressure long. Add jobs. And that's why. I do lange because often. You've you've got banner so you'd be stuck with a client that just how lost loss works so i could walking suit Put on the floor. Tom and So yeah and that was. And i look back now and even though you thought you applying good drums. I think when you play music. You've got to be relaxed in a good friend. Look at some of my. You know we've never assumed. Sol's others have thanks. Thanks thanks to people who've done that. Hold a sign for six minutes and look back and think didn't do that. Good a job. But now that i'm full time Of actually got energy to to practice of always benefit lazy there and Yeah i think think not different on sunday. The band merseyside compliment. Play to give us a couple of years. So this is. It'd be different. Even even dan dan me play from many many years ago. I approach and not being being side and maxine. Big difference too. That's that's probably the best decision night is is not drank a lot but not like raleigh. We did a gig at the british shoes. God we had a slab of the day. You know the the beach. The rodney changes depending where you'll pay tsa and after replied us in wasilla be petted. His timing's drunk off is lift but ghana laugher laugh at rob diseases. Such great guy and a great plan. That was that was funny so But yeah is it. Serve you drinks for free. It becomes can become a nasty habit silly for big difference and they had an impact on a lot of people so some people might think. Oh yeah you're going to have the raleigh blah blah blah will. Do you really need to have that much good when you snake it out of the left over and put it in a band fridge ban room for the guys that do drink Proceed going stays with the band. Myself where the rotating either you always shut. You can't put the stein's music without a not so good the and our amendment. All garda can spare parts where they used to tell me united on wednesday not drink club taking and lack of the morning thinking. He packed his car. Close the curb and and get out and it was a foot a half hawaii and always recounted store. You not w- if he'd been drinking you might think everything's gone well but it's just a folk stidham on son. Covert has had a tremendous impact on the music industry. Yes how creative did you need to become to be able to get work once. We've ribot to stop playing again. He yeah it's i've never really had. It's always had would like to get gigs. Even when we played the grandfather of the finding you know that's the hardest thing is doing that selling and unfortunately because of the stew said. I got some managing in coyotes and selling sri. 'cause that's helped me good stupid saved money. Probably because booked about seventy gigs And i was probably too generous. I asked the bands what they wanted. The not say d'amato venue head campaign going three times as much sci-fi pub gigs. That would have broken even when my small bit of money. So for me That was you know a good licensor always outside money but it did hit hard but What i did in iraq trove if people sitting down. You've got apply slow songs so we introduced a lot of slow songs into asset. So you have that that chair dancing so for me. It was a guy Rotting settlers that had a lot more probably twenty percent more slower songs. You know angie wild horses whiting on a friend as go by on those sort of songs but a guy eve. It's not not the smartest the richest person in the room that survives lawful person that can can change what they do with the required avenue and it is is what it is a win. Win bans dot signed back in the eighties. A win just maps. I stopped talking a lot of dump. Let let's talk about the future what we can do be credit. Can we apply backyard. Parties unplugged organized. The iron chef is always wise around it. But certainly like my people in the business I was very very frustrated that the venues seem to be targeted as opposed to sporting and other also think it was very unfair. Very unfair and it's not just here now. The reason why. I bit as discussion in the interviews is fact that i've got twenty seven percent of my audience situated the us. And i think a lot of them are getting some useful information out of these discussions that we're having about australia being in a in a position where we are kicking a gain and this waiting to see what's happened. It really struck hiring. When i was speaking to darren lazy overweight. Because he's living in the sky and he mentioned the fact that the the pubs which just starting to open any could go in and have a beer but you had to sit down and also. Oh wow that was so long ago. Now for us i then. He started asking me questions about the various stages that we went through. And i thought well it's good to include this information in in the interviewing because of got people listening all around the world in their own different stages and it seems that a lot of them are following in the path we talk. Yeah we're very fortunate that we're sledded all and we did take a little time to lock down which was march twenty third My arable store's waiting on the sabbath not so it was in the country on the river. Mario and It has you know it's destroy. I've got good friends in america Scott staying trump apply. We've bette midler row. Crown review of from driving bans putz. George of mike. Good friends with fam- dumb Who's charlie watts's drum. Chicken larry mellon and rob shanahan if met him within a espace. When any hollywood stein's of just got really do these you know. It's not a lot of recording a lot of laws dramas in the steitz time to love. Got new equipment with that stuff. Sit up himes studios so gyns about where you know what you do to change do online gigs or just improved. Craft guy in the these things happen. You need to adapt and adept the best you can but the worst thing is being the financial heat and i think we see to think my face job is with them dozen roses and i think that's the first band coming. Think my come to reserve. I proved that we. We've got this for the rest of their lives. Covert or this type of carbonates is gonna mutai in china. And i'm and we're going to have to change behaviors and live with he and it's up to every human to do what they can to survive and that means checking in. You know we can't do anything about it. It's going to cape mutai zing in and kill people. There isn't a lot of upside to this off saying more musicians actually interacting with their fans and ever. That's a very good point. I agree with that. I really hate that. They continue to do that when they do get. Busia takes time to still do a bit of that interaction. the social media with the fat is. Because it's been winning. You know it's been getting people to watch them and get to know them so it's not all negative. What's happened from this. I can see a lot of pulse. It's if people think they've scr struggle now just think about it full bays who had to fought in the and some as young as seventeen right. Hang on a glass. Half full guy also cut up negative cynical people out of my life and an asset bands the bands that used voodoo lounge tour. His and young fans in particular said. Listen you go joe. You'll get you'll musical skills just by constantly taking can't get a gig pouty but the most important thing is and you can get carried away with what you're doing and you can't expect punters to come to a gig and be interested in what you do. If you're not interested in going to the applies or their footing matchel the most important thing is not also probably co myself relationship manager. More than drama is building that relationship and involving an and it's like after gig go out and talk to the people but they they wanna make too and i wanna talk to you. it's just good business practices entities. The music pieces that doesn't just involve racing practicing plying. But you need to look the good bands around town outside. You know some of the best at relationships would be tree. Acoustic fix clear. Why vincent katerina. These dyes are leaders in Keeping their audience. And it's through. You know keeping the other thing that a lot doing sometimes you might see him or her. So and some obama put you know that's gonna mistake you know actually the biggest selling. Tv shows are ones of Vulnerability on it watching the reality. Tv show and a lot of young musicians will pay. They want to say human. Frailty said that we got a mistaken it but you know i lost you. Know about being perfect not You know people want to say that you know it's real and and you screw up to Yeah some some people worry when they say that you suming oh on the you know. Don't put anything out that scott mistakes in and that's like all the reality is the every punter isn't even gonna notice as long as she. You covered it. Yeah and i remember east got the know. I think we've probably one hundred tom. Thank you to god. Bless the family for supporting love. Music as a half certainly wouldn't run a run a venue with obama business experience. I think everyone has a lot of any but some the band's sound size in the audience and say what do you mean. Also he sitting with title of friends he hasn't got a gig can be grumpy and lock us with not much. Critique the ban not knock the but point things. And i'll said the group of friends listen to la la la la la because he doesn t o shea everytime i go outside. It's like an empty room. Know when you when you don gigs. The band stay to the back of the room. You know to the us from the rotten left and back and just be positive. It's not you know these things happen. You're going to get those gigs and you just got a guy. Draw through the accident. Imagine are missing To get banned from the eighties from memory will get there and it doesn't At the breach wine they were eddie pay and and they applied. Lock there with twelve hundred. Always remember that was a big lesson. Just to say i said a band otani city one person in the audience to book or signing and and you know who that one person is so always always apply. Lock sealaska take You know my goal is to die on the drama cape. Not until a ban. If if i could pick either just keep plying just to just the combo yeah yeah let me dot and also remember my funeral. Song is rod on icy. Dc dirty deeds and at volume. Ten fifty should should just raw on in lock. Yes you should. You should leave it and enjoy it one guy tom. Now that's really good advice. Have you yourself received a positive out of results of the shutdown. You wouldn't have one one thing that wouldn't have happened. Had we not gone through all of this year. I think learning the things in life afraid like go full on a bit of a fitness journey at walking around observing night. Shabalkin pot listening to music while. I'm walking I've changed my daddy. Habits are get up like most musicians and a walk down goody ride changes caffeine. Oh okay my business. I'll do half now have a fine owed on practicing shamefully very rarely practice Like little dramas but sofa me the slide down. I think it's made not just myself. But a lot of people realized what what really matters in life you his family And also just considering just how how lucky you are so again out of any situation this. There's always something positive and runoff. Five signing is done about things. You can't control leaving fear. Fear of you know who's out there you know he's gonna say you know these just just do it. Lost lost lots about leaving. And i think colors for me a lot of my friends. It's it's we've we've land to live to leave and and enjoy the simple things more relaxed. Slide down a big. Our took me trove months to relax after being in a luxury cabin facility is not realize how wound up that you've become you know try. So what's it like running a rain from behind cool. It's yes a gun. Go two houses together. The houses were shaking. The bank is one but keep reminding me every month into statement. And that was the house of doug. Thomas from breezy records trading neither ended up drumming with the last version of the sparks. A regret in the ground saying a lot of records and doug He was still in the original music. Sane the the rims could do tits and designed it myself when it was finished. I got john vincent. Vinny roll up at a gig with his music stand and suddenly had to pay half of kenai psalms which was great because apart from our chuck berry's Easy bates offer got. I had son of argue gallon crossed daughter written and john vincent got to design and vinnie. Came round are had had about city music. People he and i had a bottle of stubby. Capers pile out snatch they need to smash against whoa look to name said. I'm not wasting good people. Cutting else didn't capable of the garden the fridge but we must have been there for froggies at the back of the free was a bottle of alcohol went and vinnie smashed against the wall. We say it's pretty easy writing very lucky when the gals got a new drummer copies ago by gifted draws that had been there for twenty five years. So i'm lucky. Built the ruins dude on greasy pop house if you land item vinnie. And i'm going to dramatize that's had claimed book sweat on it. Rob hirst all these amazing pliers. And it's pretty cool. And now got a zillion grits to And it also deal music. Recruitment easy to around his gone. Finally instead of double booking of gop tem electron booking system side mac. Easier to bands rather ring made like just go on into its and the best thing is apart from hearst. When and do my work at a golf. I get to see six to nine bands a week Which is invaluable not making context but just saying how other bands do it and work at it and sang them. In the lounges. The mall most sweat loss in Who the less blood loss lost on stage. Yeah signed get some young bands in the asca christians Give them a few tips or on the other end. You learn something solid. That's pretty cool. What i do that. So it's been a great experience in now a little bit. Money's trae clean not seem to pull into the room to make sure about but it's i think i've got my last spanned happening on a new mixing desk and fleeing six months Bands not only record here. But i've got to cut the camera mounts and some bands already do lots streams from here which is cool It's my man cave spent from. Uc said years ago are now you have to the subject. But he reckons pro-chavez got the best. Mankind is destroyed you. I think he do sense of that. We've had in the rolling stones us a few notches. He and as tally sanford. So i've never had one complaint for ni- but some of us lift or i can bet. Mass is very fortunate very fortunate for the poorest kid at balaclava hostile to housing And do you wanna do. I think am lucky for lucky Now you've mentioned aiden and zilla symbols a few times. You wanna tell ya well will omit this crazy. I think he brought up at gigs. Give you sets of symbols to try and film you making mistakes and then when carved finished i think it was during the six last year. We got a gig anyway. I didn't rose up holding a stack of symbols. And he said for you as what remained to us because no not for you as what do you mean he goes for you and i said To have he goes. Yes thank you so now. He's a cool guy a lock what he does. He's brothers involved in making them in. Intaking techs have been making great symbols. Yeah five hundred years or so and so you know you know you just suggest you need to do. If you think so in that tommy's might be out for life issue manager which i've got to sign up and reward. I should say not not reward. Great add light dramas to help zilly's brat he keeps offering money duly off. Never never never you know. I've always made sure will guy shed to sail leaks all parties. What everybody's on do. But i'm happy to do this. Because he gave me something that. I didn't ask for an upset a lot. Graham stolis if he came to us we would have done it. Do you know he's come up. You know i've spent money. We object self organized if you jump dies of just signed up Not my to join the brand And it was just a pleasure to watch mark who's one of his trolleys nice recorded dramas. They should should be a statue of not my. He's a guy that was playing in melbourne as a young kid band split up a nixon. He gets a fine coat from. Marcia hines management is playing in sydney. Yes we one. Hundred seventy thousand punches at that was the moment that actually that that gig eighteen up every video. That was our sit mark. I said when. I watched that clip. It looks like little harry potter. But you're ease is like a sponge and he said well ama- and i suppose anyone wants to improve is this pungent and i'm very passionate about not only supporting music but also rising the price fall out of that. We do have an ad like people complain about the music. It is what it is is not gonna complaining complaining. What do anything or just ten people from listening to. We have sorry many wonderful talented musicians and the sad thing is. When when i'm driving posted george mandel giancarlo to go passes chugging said gonna give. They took out the paper you not to get him up to the front of the length brits of Botanic pow couldn't recognize one person from being a lot. Bigger will the Not one person. And that's the sad thing these people. And i think they're saying the opposite have comma from elton john and they watching tv screen. I'm thinking guys tend not to go to concerts. Always f- i is that if the discount spit on me i want being that venue because you must not is nothing lot thing up front and also joked about you know spilling the kala spa. Sorry not know these people on three four five hundred grand. A law constant to them is international act. One thing i'm about is when you talk about. Covid is the good and bad about the put paper back in their backyard. Down is this spent money on a house extension new kitchen barbecue landscaping so now. It's a double edged sword. They've got everything happening in their backyard. And you know in psychology takes twenty one days to chimes continues to happen. These people had six nine months. The job now is to leave them out of you know the backyard to get them along to see van and get them to feel that bosnich saw that only law music you can consider. There's a reason why the churches use music for this emphasis. Mike hi thinking along you know when you singing your lungs expand and endorphins release. Now that's the secret of music that the best best gig i saw of mid not oh with mid nineteenth. I did a show but the bridge way of places and manage to make all went to the front and like getting pressed into the fence. Sort of thing you know wasn't meeting had people behind me pushing. Whatever it didn't matter wasn't moving out. Matt rotten the center and there had paid are standing over top of me but it literally dripping sweat wasn't meeting the bunny medicine medicine. 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When i was playing the culture personality will do that. Too sometimes Drama right band. Yes absolutely brilliant and to say launch full ruts in the beginning. Lock it they they just hit you in the size and they just keep doing that until they finished we we want. We want to say why Yeah there's some gripes I think concerts on the water. You watch tonight's meet. Clinton think i know what's going on Let's keep that a secret. But but rob hers was Yeah just just that. I think a lot in hans out about management because they were banned that head very definite rules at nagai shouting digs and And very good in the legal department that that will go knocking. And what are lockheed. i stood body. They principles you know. Some people might have lost faith in petah garrett towards the end when he when he switched list the grains but look at that and think he probably thought he could make more impact going to live a potty book night. Were you know. They are still banned this year when headlights get excited when they hit the stage is unlocked whole kelly and in a lot of other artists. They've been very important in rising awareness of the fantastic indigenous artists that we have here in australia and and the stories and music. They've got to bring in archie roach and seeing i fix address get appreciated his. You know these. These are wonderful. Australians and You know. I think australia needs to embrace the indigenous history and particularly music restrict guessing. And that's the end of part one of the potion shaman interview in the next episode. Paul discusses his support network which is family his relationship with his band members. The video lounge kitson schools for longevity and we have a really great conversation about forming a stronger not musical community via sophistry amongst iverson. It's gonna be another loan one folks but hey it is pulled shamanov after all. 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#91 Google Jumps Into Cloud Gaming With Stadia

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#91 Google Jumps Into Cloud Gaming With Stadia

"Google jumps in a cloud gaming with stadia earn more coming up on today's episode of the latest in tech news. A gadget here. You're just in time for the latest episode of the world's only three and one show on tech gadgets, and gaming news. That's right. This is the latest in tech news. My name is Taylor American if you new year tapper quick that subscribe button right now. So that, you know, MRs single episode, and if you've been around for a while while going gonna let you in secret don't tell anybody else about this show. Now, I understand you're going to be like wool Taylor. You've done ninety shows where you're telling all these people to go and tell other people about this show years when I'm going to say that. Yes. And at the same time. I don't know. I'm changing a couple things. I'm I'm guy who is likes testing out something in and looking for the new thing. And I enjoy learning about the latest technology and things, but let's just keep this between me you and me, let's keep this show to ourselves. Don't tell anybody else because more people are gonna come in more people are gonna wanna know about all this kind of stuff that you don't wanna know about. There's only certain things that you wanna know about I wanna know about share about a lot of other stuff going on. But not necessarily all stuff that needs to be covered. You know, we want the cool stuff like the latest happenings. Interesting. New tech new games, you know, stuff like that. Now, obviously will cover the popular stuff some of which two that have been covered by other outlets. But you know, this is like our hang out club our house, our crit as it were. I don't know. I'm trying. To whole ideas at a sky as it were. So yeah, don't tell anybody. But it's not secret. It's not like, it's not something bad is just dumb, while Burke school k so you got have the hand stamp if you wanna entry so all right. Well, I've been rambling on too much. I know that you guys are interested in planes trivia, so let's head on over. All right last episode. I asked who purchased the very first tesla roadster just checked right before recording this show in sure enough. Nobody got dance right? Nobody even guest. So in case you're wondering to up your trivia game. How many of you got the anthrax raise your hand? If you've got the answer. Right. Oh, wait. I didn't give you the answer. Did I k- the answer to the question of who purchase the very first tesla roadster with Elon Musk. Yep. I one that came off the production line went right to Elon Musk because he bought it. So yeah, are you go a little bit of trivia? So you has interested in plain long in trivia, here's how you do. It submit your answer on Twitter by replying to the tweet the question for today's trivia the link to this tweet will also be listed in our show notes. For this episode is episode number ninety one or you can just head on over to Twitter dot com for slash tech news gadget. The first correct answer will be announced in next up sewed along with your Twitter username, and I'll just say for distinguishment purposes, we use the hashtag L I T N trivia to distinguish the rest of our tweets between what's going on in actually the one nets driven. So if you get that one bright you win. Now, also, I'm thinking of adding something cool for us to do like a t shirt, maybe a coffee mug or something. So if you guys have your suggestions, you wanna share them with us feel free to let us know via Email. Or Facebook or Twitter available wherever you need to be. We'll be in touch the app near any crying in the background. Really? I can do about it on my what almost six month old daughter is throwing a fit and I wanted to go to sleep. But that's okay. So the question for today's episode is what is the best selling call of duty game of all time. So what's your answer posted on Twitter with the hash tag L? I T N trivia or hit that reply button to the tweet and the first correct answer will be nnounced in the next episode. Moving right along here. We're gonna check out what happened today in tech history. Now being that today is March nineteenth twenty nineteen on this day in nineteen seventy-two attentive. Saw was judged the official inventor of the computer, John, Vincent. At ten SAAF. I'm really bad with names emerges as Victor from a protracted US legal battle for the title of the inventor of the electric, digital computer. Judge determined his work had proceeded in contributed to development of the machine whose inventors had previously been credited. So I guess he just took that went score sucres, Georgia, invented the computer. I nut. This little advocates thing anyways. Guys. Don't even probably know what advocates is. I guess I'm dealing with that group. Anyways advocates. Google Google YouTube it you'll get all the answers you want. I'm not gonna tell you guys here. But also on this day in history in nineteen eighty six the domains IBM dot com in sun dot com. Come online, these domains are considered the eleventh and twelve oldest domains in history still around to the state to I just checked and IBM dot com and sun dot com are still online and running quite good. So with that now out of the out of the way catch myself before I trip over my own words, make an idiot. Let's head on over to today's tech news. All right. First up on docket is in videos, a I turned sketches into photo realistic landscapes in seconds. Now in case, you're wondering audio listener what is this? A photo realistic landscape that you're talking about. Well, we actually have video going on right now so video if you're listening to audio you're missing the whole other video part of it. We got images videos, all the fun stuff. If you want more information or to watch the show head on over to YouTube dot com for slash tech news gathered or you can watch it on Facebook at any time your leisure Facebook dot com for such tech news gadget as well. And well, if you're watching this video new like, hey, is there a podcast available of this? I can just listen to audio going about my day. You can do that as well or available on let's see overcast Stitcher Spotify Google, and I tunes or apple podcasts. They call it. Now story we'll be stuck with throw. Also or looking at right now, it's a very simplistic paint sketch that then turned into a photo realistic landscape. Generated by a I remember how saying last episode about how I is so under appreciated now, it's actually probably going to be one of the next big things in terms of moving technology forward into the future. Yeah. Well today NVIDIA GTC twenty nineteen the company unveiled a stunning image creator using generative. Adversarial networks users of the software are with just a few clicks able to sketch images that are nearly photo realistic software instantly, turn a couple of lines into a gorgeous mountaintop sunset. This is MS paint for the age called Gowon software is just a demonstration of what's possible with invidious neural network platforms is designed to compile an image. How a human would paint with the goal of being to take a sketch and turn into a photo realistic photo in seconds in an early demo. It seems to work as advertisers actually video that goes on with this. But we won't be watching a video where actually gonna be watching the video. For something else. So if you want to watch video you can actually head on over to the show note for today's episode and enjoy gag one has three tools a paint bucket pen and pencil at the bottom of the screen is a series of objects. Select a cloud abject and draw a line with pencil and software will produce a wisp of photo realistic clouds, but these are not image stamps cow gun produces results unique to the input draw circle filled with paint bucket Nasaka will make puffy summer. Clouds uses can use the input tool to draw the shape of a tree, and it will produce tree draw straight line produce bare trunk draw ball at the top in the software will fill in with lease protruding full tree. Now, I actually wanted this myself. So what I did is I decided draw stick man in MS paint that didn't work out. I was trying to draw myself because I'm not really good at drawing anything. The I was like you're too stupid to be drawn. You're not photo realistic enough. So. I kind of left that. It seems like all gone looks really good Nanking messing around with you. Seriously. Don't take my word for it. Okay. Mainly seem to do really good landscape. Type images not so much the. People and animals and everything else like nature landscapes does really good. That gun is also multi-modal if to use the same sketch with the same settings random numbers built into the project. Ensure that software creates different results now in order to have real time results on has to run on a tensor computing platform in via demonstrated software RDX titan GPO platform, which allowed to produce results in real time. The operator of the demo they will draw a line in the software instantly produced results. So however stated that with some modifications it can run a nearly any platform, including CPU soda results might take a few seconds to transfer over in display, but it's a it's okay working progress. Sandham I'm liking it looks pretty nice. So yeah, I'll leave the link in you guys can watch video and have fun. Next article has it's looking at whiled as Facebook's executive shakeup signal the end of internet dot org now for those of you who don't know internet dot org was Mark zuckerberg's ambitious plan to service the world with three web access that obviously became stalled by a myriad of problems. And the company's latest personnel. Moves might be sidelining the initiative for good last Thursday. Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg announcing executive shakeup at the company which included a couple of major personnel moves the most notable departure. Chris Cox, who is credited as being instrumental in two thousand six creation of the news feed. A public stream of pulsa became one of Facebook's most significant updates invisible functions in light of duck Berg's just announced pivot towards privacy minded measures like directed encrypted. Messaging forecast for the news feed feature is decidedly cloudy, and so Cox is moving in. But it's the departure of Chris Daniels. Another executive seems. To cement utter failure of a major Facebook project. I don't know if you guys knew about this internet dot org. It's much line internet accessibility project results. You don't know internet dot org was launched in twenty thirteen inspired by previous manifesto about getting need higher. World online Daniels. Part of Facebook's business development team was enlisted to lead the charge zuckerberg's goal was to provide internet access to everyone whether or not they could afford to pay for it. At launch Zuckerberg said it would take five ten years for internet dot org to cover the planet. He wanted Facebook to be that gateway to the internet now in many ways, internet dot org. Sounded like a non-profit it was intended for use in underdeveloped markets where access to the internet with was either unavailable prohibitively expensive or too slow to be useful Facebook forage early partnerships early on with countries like Pakistan and Indonesia N touted it success in helping people in previously underserved regions access online healthcare services by many accounts. It had the markings of a charitable organization. But rather than a gateway internet or started to feel more like a gatekeeper for starters. It was headed by Daniels whose job was not a part of Facebook's advocacy efforts. But rather to build the company's business end to maintain profitability. Simply put Daniels goals increase the number of Facebook users at task internet dot org was more than happy to accomplish in order to receive internet access. Those in need refers required to download the free basics apt from Facebook critics complain at internet that or work by exploiting poor countries. And there's also the issue of censorship because Facebook are operated as a pipeline to the internet for these uses. It also became an arbiter of content away net. Three getting fuzzy with the line. Facebook said it tells deny access website because of their data would over on servers. So lengthy list of internet advocates derided Facebook for restricting content. India Facebook's most promising and public partner backed out of the proposition entirely, then inch. Net dot org stopped offering surfaces in mind Meyer, following reports of the platforms role in spreading hate speech across the country. It pulled out of other developing nations, including Anguilla, and El Salvador around the same time as well. Not what soon became clear was that many internet or users using it only to lower their internet bills. Not to gain new access to the web in short the world saw through the internet dot org. Venire identified the surface for what it really was a business strategy head by Facebook biz Dev guy that gave the social network even more control over how people experience the web. Now, it might be cynical to suggest that internet. Our was attended to be malicious bayton switch more likely be cited as another example of how even appears if ideas at the company can morph into user acquisition schemes. So now, there's a whole bunch of our problems going on. But. Six years after launched internet dot org. Assad spoke of Facebook hasn't issued a press release about duck Aberg passion project since twenty fifteen seemingly stop talking about it altogether in two thousand sixteen after filled in India over concern violated net neutrality rules each year at Facebook's FA developer conference, mentions of internet dot org are fewer than fewer at next month's annual conference, very likely audiences will hear nothing about it at all. But you will guys because now you're informed. And if you weren't before. Now, you are see this is where it gets all areas. Like, mark. What are you doing your first concern about this? You're concerned about that middle make up your mind about what the heck you're doing. Because now he's like, well we need privacy. Encrypted stuff. Ziga chewed up a US house and Senate note was really uncomfortable and stuff. And now, you're all really dressed up nice and stuff, and I kind of just showed up like an idiot grilled me about a lot of stuff made me, look like an idiot. And you know, I sound smart about some stuff. But it sounds like an idiot about others. But I don't really know how any of this works, and I'm can I'm kind of stuck with my hand in the cookie jar going. Well, am I my utility or am I like free internet, then it's like well. Okay. Figure out what stance you're on. Then Facebook are you an open platform for everybody. Or are you a publisher? Mediating what type of content is spread on your platform? Careful white year wish for careful how you step on toes the people because it might just come back to bite Uniran. So apparently, they just keep seeing through all this. The trolls have become even more troll ish inner tempts Kinney trying to make something out of something. That's not. But yeah. People signed to net dot org for what was the if you haven't heard about before. Well, now you have. So we have some gadget news behold. The first hand on video of Samsung's unreleased galaxy fold and no we won't be plane this video, but we will be playing a couple more coming up regardless of other announce a commercial success. No phone is likely receive as much buzz as a galaxy fold twenty nineteen at least until apple announces its latest iphones of which I came care into you can be any mention of fold anywhere in it. I can also guarantee you that the iphone that'll be coming on twenty nineteen won't even have five G capability. And if it does. As my mind's gonna blow up as one of the first mobile devices with a foldable display Samsung's. Galaxy fold can be something of a niche project at first but could help pave the way for the next major shift in phone design. But before it can do any of that we need to get our hands on it. Despite the fact that the fold is due out in just over a month. Samsung has let anybody handled the device just yet. But that didn't stop YouTube or phone of time who shared a video of AT and T variant of the galaxy fold powering on and be news on Monday is the comprehensive hands on video that we've seen to date. Now, are we really seen at a galaxy fold up to this point are carefully produce marketing videos from stance on and shot. So the phone from WC now what immediately stands out just how prominent decrease in the center of the phone is when folded until we have a chance to touch the phone our selves, not really possible to judge. But it's clear the technology to make totally seamless falling fold has yet to be perfected. But Samsung's the first one out of market with. So everybody who's gonna be all hype and buzz. So they are let's see what's to say about a two minute long full of video. So you guys will enjoy the link to this and all arrested articles will be shown on this episode that you can find by going to tech news gadget dot net Ford slash nine one. Or if you're listening on a podcast app of your choice right now. You should be able to just wipe up or swipe left, right? Quick for more details, and you should just have all article links right there. All you have to do is tap on it, and it'll loaded up for the wonder of technology. Right. Right. All right. Let's see. What's next? All right. So the news is finally out. It's finally been released. So remember Google hitting at this cloud streaming service everybody wondering what's going on? Well, they finally dropped it stadia a cloud gaming service launching later in twenty nineteen you guys want see the video. All right. Let's see if we can notice video up for you. Really like that ending their the whole doing tone. Google is launching its stadia cloud gaming service at the game developers conference in San Francisco today who will see thunder. Chye who says he plays seafood nineteen quite a bit. I probably just murders. I'm sorry. Okay. I I'm bad with names. Okay. I'm blonde. I introduced the stadia service during a special keynote this morning describing the platform for everyone. He talked up. Google's ambitions to stream games to all types of devices stadium will stream games from the cloud to the chrome browser chrome cast and pixel devices will launch at some point twenty nineteen US Canada, UK and Europe, Phil Harrison, a former Sony and Microsoft executive joined him on stage of fully unveil stadia in his role at Google Harrison says Google will amplify this game streaming service by using YouTube and many creators that already create game. Clips on service do previously tested to service project stream in recent months. Allowing chrome users to stream games browser assassin's. Creed odyssey was the first in only game to be tested publicly using service public test finished in January now, of course, Google limit stadia just one game. Google demonstrated. A new feature in YouTube that lets you view game clip from creator, and then hit a play now bun to instantly stream title stadia offers instant access to place Harrison without the need to download or install any games at launch games will be stream -able across laptops, desktops, TV's tablets in phones. This is incredible Gould demonstrated moving gameplay seamlessly from phone to tablet to TV all using power devices while existing USB controllers will work on a laptop PC. Google's also wanting a new stadia controller that will power the game streaming service. It looks like a cross between XBox and PS four control and will work with the stadium respect connecting directly through WI fi interesting to link it to a game session in the cloud is will presumably help late see and moving a game from one device to another. You can also use a button to capture and share clip straight to you to or use another bun to access to Google system. Obviously stadium. Is able to be playable, even if you don't have this controller, you just won't have the assistant feature now to power all this caused dreaming. Google is leveraging global infrastructure of data centers to ensure service or as Costa players around the world as possible as kind of key as lower latency is necessary. Eerie to stream those games of -ffective -ly across the internet. Google says it expects to support the four K at sixty frames per second at launch over an internet connection with approximately twenty five megabytes bandwith and his findings support to AK resolutions and a hundred twentieth PS in the future. Now, I think they also demo Dumi ternal, which was incredible. They're able to do that. And then other people were going around saying, well, this is a boon to YouTubers especially livestream people who play on YouTube all the time is now they just have benefit of being plugged in right in to it and YouTube just becomes all the more relevant important here technologies. Pretty. Cool. I'm glad they kept them to wraps for all of this. I don't know. What do you guys think the succeeding, you're not excited by you? Don't like Google too much privacy Royd stuff. I Don I like it. I like how technology's moving forward. I'm like I've been waiting to go. You know, all these inroads that seagoing on with all these gains being released on every platform in an epic with their latest fiasco of pushing into areas in the you know, getting apple set about their app store. Google set about their play store. Google win and said, hey, guys, check it out. You can play it on any device. Any screen any time internet connection in the cloud? Get this the controller works via WI fi. I mean when is the last time you do that with your XBox controller or your PlayStation controller, we have to be a certain it works via bluetooth because as the technology those consoles probably even switch as well. But you can only go so far from it and bluetooth has a certain radius. But WI fi. You could be anywhere now with the good wifi connection gone came planet on a tablet, and I'm gonna go upstairs over two flights in halfway down the hallway, and I'm going to flip it over to the TV through. Pretty cool Rico liking this idea. Goodwill is partnering with Amdi to build a custom GP first-aid centers. It's a chip that grew claims will deliver ten point seven teraflops of power, which is more than four point two teraflops. So the P for pro in the six terrified of power on Xbox One X, each stadia instance will also be powered by custom two point seven gigahertz x eighty six processor with sixteen gigs of ram so focusing on developers. Google also unveiled impressive way for game developers to apply their own design styles to titles and stadia. Now, it's a machine learning based I'll transfer to developers can use to simply drop image into the video frame of games and have mimicked the style throughout this kind of interesting. Stadia was also embraced full cross platform play so developers can enable cross platform. Multiplayer game saves in progression. Interesting. Interesting interesting is goo- the news out there. The Google is also creating its own game studio for stadia exclusive titles stadia games in entertainment. Jade, Raymond who recently joined Google, I just talked about this as VP leading Google's push for its own games. Now case you guys forgot Raymond of industry veteran who previously worked at Sony Electronic Arts, and we soft Google says more than one hundred studio ready have Dev kit for stadium more than one thousand creed of engineers already working on titles that will work service now. Google unveils stadia today. It has noted tells on exactly when service will be available other than twenty nineteen Google didn't reveal pricing or even how many games the service will have at lunch. But it's promising more details in the summer. So Microsoft Amazon. Your move. All right. Little tidbit of information ear 'cause I know you guys were interested the verge was actually able to get hands on with Google stadia game controller and a apparently first results are feel surprisingly great gruel didn't skimp on its first ever game. Controller who will today took the wraps off. Its stadia cloud gaming platform, showing off a bold, but largely untested vision of the future of gaming involves distributing implying software in real time over the internet, surprisingly, stadia controller fields in looks great. Granted we didn't get to try it on a live stadia demo, but we did get to try hands on with the same white and orange model that was used onstage during reveal it was is a has a heft and texture similar to recent Xbox One game pants specifically the one that released the Xbox One s redesigned but with some thumb stick lay out of Sony's dual shock for your couple. Images here that has interested. If features a USB port on top of three point five millimeter headphone, Jack on a bottom in dedicated buttons to trigger. Google assistant powered voice features and captured video of your game play in a nice to game in culture images of the controller on Google's website show. It may have the co NAMI coats, the gwi- as the bar code label on a bottle of the device below the headphone, Jack, you can even type the requisite commands into the stadium website to bring a three mile of the controller. So that you can expect it in your browser window. So quite impressive. Impressive. So all that to say you guys excited by stadia? Not really, I don't know. Let me know down into comments section around Twitter Facebook, I'm not gonna read this entire article. But you guys can certainly go ahead and take a look and let me know what you think. Despite. Thank thanks a lot stupid technology. You're supposed to be working just froze. Okay. So next article we got today is each piece. Hi, rez reverse h of VR headset blows the screen door affect off. It's hinges that dreaded low resolution screen affect that's dogged virtual reality imaging since inception. Just got blown off its hinges by HP's reverb VR headset announced Tuesday at HP reinvent in Houston. The river both twice the resolution of his predecessor twenty one sixty by twenty sixty plus a wider one hundred fourteen degree field of you. The river is highest resolution H M D which has had mounted display that shipping. Among major makers company said that caveat of major age MD makers, obviously excludes such small projects as picks max AK headset, even so HP reversible likely ship ahead of Hicks MAGS unit. So had said it self continues to be based. On Microsoft Windows, mixed reality platform is still uses a standard makes reality controllers which link via bluetooth, Egner track using mixed realities inside out technology. So kind of interesting that VR headsets kind of getting better things are proven. I don't know. People have more games down road. Let's see just throw this in here for you guys. And for those you who are interested in VR while what's obviously really helped. It is the improved bluetooth the original mixed reality. Headsets counted on bluetooth support in a gaming PC to handle the connection HP discovered that subpar bluetooth implementations for a week link in the experience by integrating a bluetooth radio directly into reverse headset. Peak in better guarantee, a level of connection quality, which obviously now just brings it up that much more. So let's move on to the last in most important gaming news of today. Okay. So the only game news that we have for today 'cause well, okay? It was the only one the stadia kind of a. Teas as while for those of you who play overwatch got some news for you Baptists is now live lades passed to overwatch herald Z rival of the combat medic Beppe east who comes to the fight with the big on some sweet footwear in a unique array of abilities that enable him to protect and he'll allies from distance is biotic watcher launches a three round bursts with significant damage output while the out fire mode. Watch grenades will heal. Allied players is regenerative burst ability will heal himself and nearby teammates over time while the immortality field will keep allies from succumbing to icy fingers of death Exo boots, and they will peace to clear out cycles that would be surmountable two other players and its ultimate amplification matrix doubles, a damage in healing effects of friendly projectiles. The patch also makes a number of bounce updates to the game damage taking by armor from downs. Over time affects have been adjusted to be more consistent predictable in damage boosting effects will be applied when. Projectiles fired inside or instead of when they strike an enemy meaning that the hero who fired. It doesn't have to be boosted. When strikes in order for that facts to apply are also new audio affects make it easier to tell when hits are being buffed or nullified. Also, tweaking Faeroes rocket launcher and Orissa's movement speed penalty while firing has been cut from fifty percent to thirty and some other fixes. So a are while I could play the video. I'd rather have you guys go watch it for yourself in joy, and while seen we're running overtime a little bit. I should probably wrap up. Wrong button. God of I pressed the wrong, but I can't see the microphones literally in front of the button. And I wanted to see what's going on. All right. So with that that wraps up this episode of the Intech news, thanks for tuning in guys episodes every weekday along with trivia will use attack. News is available on apple podcast, Google, podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, overcast and everywhere else podcasts are heard. And if you want the video all you have to do is head over to Facebook or U2. dot com or slash tech news gadget, by the way. 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Le Show For The Week Of January 12, 2020

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Le Show For The Week Of January 12, 2020

"From all your device that is deep and Cold Ladies and gentlemen the news the news is is kind of like an onion sometimes got trained journalist just there to do the peeling sometimes. The onion peels itself. You know the stories about the two Boeing seven thirty seven Max. That's the name of the model not not the name of the guy. Airliners that crashed Both killing More than one hundred people each The air plane has now been withdrawn from service by all the airlines bought it and we knew that and we knew that they were You know looking into what's what's going on with that plane this week. Some internal emails from inside Boeing became public much like the emails from inside the Defense Department and the Office Office of Management and budget that became public during the holiday period wherein high officials actually fingered. You pardon the expression. Donald Trump as the source of the command to withhold military aid from Ukraine. Anyway these are internal emails from Boeing in which employees Of said Boeing mocked federal rules regarding airline regulation talked about deceiving regulators and joked about potential central flaws in the aircraft as it was being developed. These emails were delivered to congressional investigators. What business did they have? Looking to that quote what. I still haven't been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year. One of the employee said messages from two thousand eighteen apparently in reference to interactions with the FAA. Sure God I think God was watching football. The most damaging messages included conversations among Boeing pilots and other employees about the software. I wish US and other problems with flight. Simulators for the Max. It was a lot of controversy about whether the changes from the regular seven. Thirty seven to the Max. We're going to the MAX would necessitate new training for pilots on simulators or whether they could just just read the manual in ten minutes ago. Okay got the company concealed problems from the FAA during the regulations during the regular regulators certification. The simulators would you put your family on a MAC simulator aircraft. I wouldn't want employees said to a colleague. No the colleague responded another set of messages. Employees questioned the design of the Max and even denigrated their own colleagues quote. This airplane is designed designed by clowns. Who are intern supervised by monkeys and employ twenty seven? Now case you think the United States is still a country where success is rewarded. The head of Boeing during the time when those e mails written during the time when the seven thirty seven Max was being designed and developed during the time when two of them crashed he just left the company with a sixty million dollar package. I guess it's a golden parachute mortar literally than most. Hello welcome to the show to a really thought I'd reach the side that spot on the horizon that I've always To smoke blew me. The bullet hasn't even read the star chef lung the father son the seven years. My Shit lease a bull here. I go again. I feel in new. uh-huh From New Orleans where carnival season has officially begun on. Yeah began last Monday night last Monday. Monday and It's it's about time I'm Harry Shearer. Welcome you to this edition of the show I was I was listening to NPR. I know the most that the Ah The place where I do most of my NPR listening which is in the bathroom of the studio right before this program starts and I heard when the guests a writer on on NPR program. Say that He had gotten a really useful tip from the late journalist. Tom Wolfe that to really understand this country. You had to read the specialized magazines of various businesses businesses. Not The New York Times in Washington Post but these specialized magazines he said. I've taken that to heart and I guess I will too do. I guess I'm GonNa Start Reading the trades for you. It's about time in from advertising. Age Walmart Leverages offline data in the latest bid to take on Amazon. I will read it for you and Walmart. Fired a shot across the bow of its biggest rival Amazon on while also taking a page straight out of its playbook companies Ad Tech Arm Walmart Media Group introduced advertising advertising partners. The move will potentially allow advertisers to tap into Walmart trove of customer data or data. More data we need more data come on more data more data high. Get some data for me. More data more data more data. We need more more to offer for advertisers. Better targeting and measurement tools. A quote brands can tap into Walmart. Shopper footprint to get the right sponsored at experience to the right shopper at the right moment that's a quote from lex Joseph's of Walmart Media Group quoting again. We have to. We have something unique to offer brands the ability to maximize campaigns with rich data insights based on both in store and online data at scale companies. Such as procter and gamble. And Kimberly. Clark already advertise on channel such as Amazon Walmart offerings. Where from the way they execute planning forecasting and buying through Walmart channels weren't just robust? This has the potential to level the playing field so walmart can better compete for AD dollars previously earmarked for Amazon Amazon over. Walmart's key differentiator is. It's massive data on offline sales as the company can now attribute digital ads the products purchased in store by customers and says nick why nighmare and E-commerce e-commerce executive the total size of Walmart's offline footprint dwarfs Amazon's. You're going to see Walmart. Telling the story of how their digital ads influence offline purchasing behavior and that will surely grab the attention of packaged goods marketers and advertisers as their digital marketing challenges often the the inability to tinker with their digital ad spend based on tying it back to actual sales If Walmart's advertising platform can help close the gap between digital advertising and conversion that is to say sales for the big retailer in the country. It would be a big step forward for the industry. That's quoting Lance Power Guile a marketing officer at a a digital agency. Of course that's of Walmart is willing to share that data. He adds although Walmart is best known for selling products. The Retail Juggernaut also commands massive traffic to its website making it one of the country's largest publishers. It's the second most visited retail website in the US just behind number one ranked Amazon Walmart is now claiming it can improve ad targeting while also helping advertisers measure effectiveness across the so-called Consumer Journey Walmart is doing this because they built a giant business and a huge dream out of retail customer data says John Coates v a vice president of insights At singular and they're just starting to realize how valuable access to the insights from that data and access to their customers. Really is yet. It's at Amazon. You have to cut through all the noise from Amazon's own branded merchandise and its house. Brands driving the need for brands to buy ads to get reasonable placement for their own products. He says Walmart mail take advantage of similar mechanics and essentially like Amazon. Make money not just from selling products from selling access to its customer base Part of the Base Babe Stand tall stand proud. You're part of the base and I only wish I visited the bathroom earlier so I would know before. Aw to read the trades for you copy random feature ally copyrighted. Now News of the atom work has begun on removing nuclear waste from a power station in Britain Barclay. This is only thirty years. After the station was decommissioned in the first place the disused magnox generators under situated on the banks of the river severn in Gloucestershire closed in one thousand nine thousand nine work emptying its vast concrete vaults of the nuclear waste Barclay generated. It is only now able to safely begin for the past. Fifty years parts of the coastline of west England have been dominated by nuclear power stations. Only one is still in use but the nuclear waste. The stations generated according to the BBC. They should know has remained in place. It takes according to the BBC hundreds of years to decompose Xeros Bay and has to be stored underground. It'll cost an estimated one point six billion to fully decommissioned Barkley that that cost figured into the cost of the nuclear power. When we say how cheap it is about? Two hundred people are currently working on the site. Under strict security work emptying being the waste products from the concrete. Vaults is a complicated process. You you might imagine. They contain used graphite from the fuel elements in the nuclear generating processed material from from the cooling ponds and from the labs the removal. We'll take five or six years to complete waste operations director at Barclay Rob. Ledger Rabble Edgy. Says when the power stations I started generating. I don't think there was much thought. Put into how the waste was going to be dealt with or retrieved rob. You can say that again he continues. It's taken a while to develop the equipment and the facilities to do this. The automated machinery is controlled by computers and tips. The waste into a cast iron container. The containers will house the waste in an intermediate storage facility until a long term. Solution can be found often. You've heard that phrase with regard to nuclear waste Dilawar long long term solution can be found and we'll put it put it here for the moment. Nuclear waste does take a long time. That A K. It's hundreds of you add. Yeah that's Mr Ledgers. Zeros there that's why we have to these lengths to sort safely. He says eventually the boxes will be house deep underground in a long term storage facility. Thirty the location has not yet been decided by the government. There are currently estimated to be almost ninety five thousand tonnes ends of nuclear waste across the United Kingdom. But we'll decide what to do will fit. We'll figure it out. Isn't that what three year olds. Do Throw it away. The grown-ups go figure it grow. Pick it up ladies and gentlemen. I know it sounds hard to believe but we are the grownups and now let's Let's go to a subject. It's it's a little more a little more cheerful because it involves the grandeur of sport it's news of the Olympic movement produced by Jimmy oversold oversold the third the International Olympic Committee has to connect with hundreds of millions of gamers worldwide if the Olympic body is to remain relevant with the younger generation. According to Iot President Thomas Bach he said Games James Simulating sports could at some point in the future become part of the Olympic program. Whether they could one day be considered the Olympic program. The answer is yes he said it depends when this day is coming. The has been working on developing connections with the gamers and the industry but it has rejected many of the electronic games as too violent. It is desperate however according to Reuters to tap into this young market with its traditional Olympic TV viewership viewership aging fast. I thought we all aged at at the same rate some. IOC members urged caution saying more understand. The industry is necessary before taking steps to join up with it. Where nineteenth century organization trying to deal with the twenty first century phenomenon said seventy seven year old Dick Pound of Canada uh longest serving member and athletes competing at the Tokyo? Two Thousand Twenty Olympic and Paralympic Games will sleep on bedframes made from recyclable cardboard with mattresses formed of polyethylene materials that will be reused for plastic products after the Games. You know all that plastic recycling by the way polyethylene mused for the mattress requires thorough outgassing due to its high outgassing rated as not a good choice for many industrial applications granted direct plastics DOT COM. You remember outgassing. That's what those formaldehyde filled trailers here in New Orleans. More allowed to do before people were housed in environmentally conscious. Sleeping arrangements going to writers were put on display from the media this this week at a mock apartment. Tokyo's twenty twenty headquarters. Eighteen thousand beds will be required at the village. The bed should be suitable bill for all. But the very tallest athletes basketball players don't sleep in the village anyway. The organizers are making a concerted effort to reduce carbon emissions perp generated by the Games. All medals will be made for metal extracted from recycled consumer electronics including about six point. Two million used mobile phones. The Olympic torch is made of aluminum waste and the podium some recycled household and marine plastic mastic waste and electricity for the Games will come from innumerable sources. But will those mattresses be allowed to out gas before athletes sleep on 'em sure because it's the Olympics it's a movement and we all need one every every day ladies gentlemen. This program is nothing if not responsive to Both the news of the day and audience of the moment a little while ago. I shared the story of the Boeing test. Pilots who were extremely critical of the design and testing of the accident prone to say the least seven thirty seven seven. Max Aircraft now grounded listener here in New Orleans came by our studio and asked if he could respond to some of the allegations in that story name and Of course we had time to fill. So I'm glad to welcome. To the show microphones John Pimples Hendrix but or known to kids kids everywhere as people's cloud I was GonNa say you do have some Serious clown makeup on but here in New Orleans. We've come to take ed sorts of things for granted will you shouldn't. That's one of my tag lines a real clown although we also have a day job job within the neighborhood. 'cause there sure isn't any good food routier. Well I guess I should call. You pimples. A AH irritating at all so what is your day job. I'm an aircraft designer. Really still maybe you can see why I took such a fence. A matter of fact I took the whole fence up to can't help it. It's in my blood. But so you took offence handsome guy who said that are played with designed by cloned outrageous also rages without spitting Yukon couldn't smearing entire ethnic group. That were these days except maybe people from pokipsy why them is just a funny name. Silly Oh boy you know I have to go into that facility. Every day and twice on Saturdays you brought your whole. Oh I never travel without. It's my emotional support. You but our my colleagues supposed to look at me and collaborate with me and trust me for Gosh Sakes with this kind of smooth going on on so you dropped by on smear yourself and my a colleague for a lot of clowning is no way to make a living this vocation not the only one who's dead said fun you never go to support yourself with a big red nose and a curly blue wig. You need something to fall back on so you studied. Aircraft is on no I fell back. Come my mom. She was sitting behind me. But seriously I have colleagues who were unnecessity and these Traffic controllers nurse practitioners all sorts of serious jobs. This guy who I noticed uses noun clown name Cassiano over all of us. I don't think that I brought my own umbrella. You could poke. Somebody's eye out. That would be fun. Done some Bundt funny but you know what this phase is making Well your mouth. I'm saying this for our listeners. Who can't see you unless they're watching the webcast which is down again on this week? Your mouth is. I'd almost say extremely downward doing my said club facing I. We call it in the business. My skeleton you know. We don't have a union or anything. Have you ever seen a few of just trying to get into a car to go to a meeting. It's ridiculous so you're you're getting around but you really are sad. It's safe to pick on clowns. Now it's fashionable to say we scare you. Well Boo it because we all learned the scare each other together I say yes. We can't okay pimples. I think you've made your point in this brand new heavier say segment here unless you got to move on to something even more boring something something with not as much. Blue Hair pimples. Where can our listeners Look for you I designed it the Merida. Va Shin. Plant I mean in in your other guys. The other guys were the other girls piggly-wiggly in Harahan Tuesday afternoon. Five to seven free. Blew my favorite kind pills the clown I'm I'd be proud to fly in any plane. You design really sweet. I sure what the heck and the show continues written news of the Godly yes. It's news of the Godly Tom. Latest the German seems like it is every week these days even it is as it has pledged to go after predators in the ranks and provide support to those harmed by clergy. The Roman Catholic Church has done little corny. The Associated Press to identifying reach sexual abuse victims for survivors of color often face additional social and cultural cultural barriers to coming forward on their own. The lack of concerted outreach on behalf of the church means less public exposure and potentially more opportunities for abuse to go undetected. Did eight hundred devices were responding to an Associated Press inquiry seven new the ethnicities of victims only one stated it purposely collected such data as part of the reporting process. Catholic Church has made a almost no effort to track victims among the nearly forty six percent of the faithful in the US. Who are Hispanics Asians Pacific Islanders Hawaiians native Americans and African Americans according to a leading scholar on clergy sexual abuse? He demonstrated a pattern of funneling predator. Priest to this advantaged economically communities of color victims. Have much more to lose if they report their abuse. He's he brian. Lights says are less likely to know where to get help less likely to have money for a lawyer and they're more vulnerable to counterattacks from the church. which will hire investigators against the survivors? What state leads the nation and rates of Sexual Violence Alaska? One authority says the Catholic Church has played a role in perpetuating the abuse of natives there Florence Kenney said she was abused at the Holy Cross mission in Alaska she's indigenous and she described the relationship nations ship between the Church and native American families. Both predatory and symbiotic the church provided food money and resources to the village in exchange for Labor and and silence. Silence is golden well and and now a Catholic priest in Walnut port. Pennsylvania was removed from the ministry after he was seen taking disturbing disturbing photographs of wrestlers at a high school tournament. Last month was announced. By the diocese of Allentown the Reverend Thomas Dir Dirt Zach Seventy years old and pastor Saint Nicholas Parish. took the photos couple days after Christmas without the wrestlers. Knowledge during the event at the didn't think pickles pimples was still here at the Bethlehem Catholic High School Gym. The dice has said. He used his phone photographing the wrestlers from behind as they were waiting to compete leading to a complaint by it concerned spectator according to tosses in a prepared statement Bishop Albert Short. I don't write them. I just read them said Dirt Zack's actions actions violated church standards for acceptable behavior. The priest was suspended. I think Just legally as a precaution. While the dialysis investigates he's also barred from school events in property. The behavior is disturbing especially for priests said a spokesman for the diocese but the response to it shows our child L. Protection Protocols. At Work of vigilant adult saw something suspicious reported it the authorities addressed it immediately and the Bishop removed the priest from the ministry unquote tends attempts to reach. The priests were not returned he was ordained way back in nineteen seventy six. The diocese says it is cooperating in an ongoing police investigation which has concluded no charges will be filed. The district attorney said. The photos included zoomed in in pictures of the boys but cheeks. But we're taking a public place and did not capture nudity as such. They did not amount to a criminal act. He said. The suspension comes as the churches faced withering criticism over its handling of allegations of misconduct including the Pennsylvania. Grand Jury report port couple of years ago the exposed decades of clergy abuse and cover up fifty thirty-seven priests. From the allentown diocese were in that report. The dice assists added twenty names lists fifty-seven priests from Allentown isn't hines near their fifty-seven pre for the wrestling event was not dressed in clerical attire. After the spectator became suspicious a police officer at the tournament was notified. Spoke with Dirt Zach. who agreed to delete delete the photographs and left the school according to police godly copyrighted features broadcast Driving your wall to cross goes no take you by Brady last so Bob uh-huh Bad Way the best away but it could have again. God because this is from New Orleans this is La Show Ladies and gentlemen the The the The attack the the shot shootdown of a Ukrainian passenger jet that occurred last few days There there were misleading gene reports about it at the beginning and then the Iraqi government so well can't came clean in quoting the this should be in the apologies the week. But we're we're gonNA postpone that but these are apologies from June Javad Zarif the foreign minister of Iraq quote a sad day preliminary conclusions of internal investigation by armed forces human error a time of crisis caused by us. Adventurism lead to disaster are profound regrets apologies and condolences to our people to the families of all victims and to other affected nations blamed us and then apologized and the spokesman for the Iraqi Iranian government in my statement yesterday to the UK media conveyed the official findings of the responsible authorities in my country that missile could not be fired and hit the Ukrainian plane at that period of time. I apologize and regret for conveying such wrong findings the Iranian spokesman who unlike the White House press secretary actually spokes. It's intriguing to note the wacky parallels between this incident and one that occurred in July of Nineteen eighty-eight when a Iranian Ian Airplane flying in Iranian airspace carrying two hundred ninety civilians from Tehran Dubai was hit by a US West guided missile shot by the destroyer the Vincennes this is July. Three of nine hundred eighty eight killing all aboard the react the immediate reaction of then vice president George H W Bush after the Navy shot down that flight quote. I'll never never apologize for the United States. America of America ever. I don't care what the facts are on quote but then later the actual President Reagan. Well said he apologized to Iran for the USS. John Vincent shooting down of the passenger jet declared the reparations or compensation to the families of victims are a matter that has to be discussed. He sent a five paragraph diplomatic note expressing deep regret the Iranian government shortly after. US military leaders learned that we had shot it down. The president's message sought to assure the Iranian the government. The attack was an accident and the White House spokesman replied. Yes when he when asked asked if he considered his message to Tehran an apology. So just just a nutty Eddie coincidence these things these things happen. It seems now the apologies the week. It is so so you're in kind of a dance with Iran aren't representative Doug Collins. Republican Georgia has recanted ended his claim the Democrats push for the war powers. Act To be put into effect fact proves they are in love with terrorists unquote. Now he says let me be clear. I do not believe. Democrats are in love with terrorists. And I apologize for what I said earlier. This week. In response to Democrats efforts to rein in the president's war powers Iran he was a Tori in Iraq in Iraq witnessing firsthand the brutal death of countless soldiers who are torn to shreds by Sulejmani the Iranian general. Who is killed? These images will live with the for the rest of my life but that does not excuse my response on Wednesday evening. He tweeted earlier. He had defended his comment when Fox Fox News host bill hemmer asked to be truly believed. Democrats love terrorists dwell on them. Love terrorists no. I think the issue we have here though is the fact. They won't acknowledge Solomon Mine was a terrorist longer such comment. He should go back to coaching basketball. That's my opinion the Sussex County. GOP's vice-chairwoman this is Delaware may not be able to keep her job. Paulie widespread calls for resignation over facebook. Comments called antisemitic. Nellie Jordan who's had the position for about a year since for post about Jewish people and president trump and the republican chair of county dressed. He'd been peeved welcomes members from all groups. Her post appeared online many he quote Jews in name only lend themselves to be in the hoax. Hoa KS of pure made up story of impeachment Democrats have woven. That was part of her post. Fortunately for us the people that believed that God gave us a brain to think for ourselves can see through the madness these left socialist believers had concocted against the president. God please have mercy on them. Some some of the Jewish people are doing today as it was in the Times of the Old Testament go against God will even after he had mercy on them state. GOP charwoman call Jordan word hurtful in Semitic. She's released in apology few days ago. I used words. I shouldn't have in describing political opponents of the president after they're much reflection and thought I now realize my words were inappropriate. Apologize for raising questions about people. Faith culture whose beliefs span a broad political spectrum no matter how heated our collective discourse becomes. You should never cross the line as I do not regret my conservative values. I do regret the words. I used Maybe the grammar too. That's always good for regretting. You look. They're more. I'm just reading through the teen. Vogue magazine is apologizing for creating confusion after what it says was a series of errors in the handling think of a post on facebook efforts to combat false information in the election this year the article titled How facebook is helping ensure the integrity of the election presented an uncritical look at companies purported efforts to wash exit interference screen shots of the story show with initially published without a byline was comprised of several interviews with facebook employees in speaking positively about their company's efforts to stop disinformation the peace attracted attention online many questioned whether it was in fact a paid ad. FACEBOOK has drawn Ron Criticism for failing to address the spread of fake account and disinformation on its site. According to Mashal an editor's note claiming it was sponsored editorial content was later added to the story. Sorry along with a byline for contributor Lauren Rick but she told Nashville she didn't write the piece. The story was then deleted without explanation Teen Vogue August the matter in a statement to the daily beast we made a series of errors. Labeling the piece we apologize for any confusion this may have caused. We don't take our audiences trust for granted. This is Teen Vogue Doc. Talking and ultimately decided the peace should be taken down entirely devoid further confusion. You don't want the readers of teen vogue to be confused. FACEBOOK facebook pitched the idea to teen vogue during talks last year for a summit the magazine was hosting and the Tech Company was sponsoring. That's Great New York Times. Our team understood understood. This story was purely editorial facebook said but there was a misunderstanding. Turns out we had to pay for it during third quarter of San Dan Antonio Spurs Wednesday night match against match believe. It's a game in this country against the Boston Celtics at the TD Garden in Boston a fan td for Toronto Dominion just in case you wanted to know what that stood for. A fan tossed the Beer Cup near the spurs bench. Fans in attendance. were furious over a controversial ejection. Action Boston's Kemba Walker. I was a play. That's all mark lamarcus. Aldridge setting a hard screen sent Walker to the floor. He took issue with ref shouted expletives which resulted in his objection. The Beer Cup didn't hit a player but it did delay. The game is this bill was cleared up. I do think I probably should have started by saying you know. It's I'm sure the Celtics have already addressed. This is an organization Boston head coach. Brad Stevens said but if not I polish the spurs for what it happened out of the stands and that can being thrown the fan was arrested after being identified. There was a time when I really loved of the idea of the Celtics apologizing. But you know you put away childish things. American scientists Francis Arnold who won the Nobel Prize for chemistry as retracted. Her latest paper Professor Arnold shared the award with George P Smith and Gregory Winter for the research on enzymes sub sub subsequent paper on enzymatic synthesis of Beta the black. Tom's was published in science last. May It has been retracted. Because the results were not reproducible and the authors found data missing from a lab notebook notebook painful to admit but important to do so I apologize to all. It was a bit busy when this was submitted. Did Not do my job. Well I'm totally Lee. Bumped to announce we've retracted. Last year's paper said Francis Arnold ink master judge Oliver. I don't know what ink master is is and I know it appears on the paramount network which I have never seen so I'm going to skip it right by Manulife Financial Financial Corporation chief executive officer. Roy Gory apologized to employees for a spoof rap video that was part of the executive teams year end. Message the internal video. The third in an annual series featuring different musical genres was retracted. After some employees said they were offended by it the toronto-based insurers said the video in which executives war it is and sunglasses was meant to be light hearted. We regret creating this video removed immediately and held a forum to apologize to hear directly from employees Manulife said in an emailed statement for finance executives have increasingly turned to humorous videos and attempt to connect with employees sometimes eliciting laughs and sometimes groans insurance companies seem to think that the best way to advertise these days. Be Funny especially with funny. Animals pimples again. A Hawaiian woman has filed a complaint with the State Health Department. After she says she bit into a slug in a Deli Sandwich in which the Russell Ruderman founder and President of Island naturals apologized for the incident and finally a Babson college staff member Babson College Private Business School in Weston and Wellesley Massachusetts has apologized for his bad attempted humor for running on facebook that Iran should list fifty two American cultural sites that it could bomb posted. Got Him suspended with pay the politics of the week. I just generally copyright feature this broadcast. One could ask if you really could list fifty to sites of cultural importance to America but that would be churlish now to the do the strike that killed general. Assume some money many so many the explanations for why had happened have been a lovely variety to watch as they evolve. Now the reason that all this all all comes up is because as mentioned earlier the War Powers Act which was Congress's way of saying we only only we have the right to declare war but we're going to chicken out and let let the executive do it under these conditions and that's been the way it's been oh for decades now some senators including some Republicans are starting to rethink that. Maybe maybe Congress should take back the power that the constitution lavished lavished on them among the new explanations for why the president ordered president trump ordered the Strike on Sulaymaniyah. This from the Wall Street Journal this week after the strike trump told associates. He was under pressure to deal with General General Sulejmani from GOP senators. He views as important supporters in his upcoming impeachment. Trial in the Senate the other thing now so in the war powers act as it exists. The exception is made. The president doesn't have have to get approval from Congress as in the U. M. F. so-called it allowed Bush to invade Iraq If if it is self defense from an imminent attack. So that's all that's why there's all this discussion about it. She was an imminent the defense secretary on the Sunday. Actually today. A speaking of the intelligence said At one point that these attacks that the intelligence warned about could have happened. which doesn't sound all that imminent and the Washington Post reported this week on the same day? The general similar money was killed by drone strike. US forces carried out another top secret mission against another senior Iranian military official Abdul Raza. Shallow all in in Yemen. That operation didn't work didn't kill him. Then die this suggests that the killing think of Major General Salamone might have been part of a broader operation then previously explained whether the mission kill Domani was solely to prevent an imminent attack on Americans and so as I say the explanations Such as they are continue to evolve You've reached the private line secretary of state. Mike pompeo leaving leaving encrypted message at the sound of the first tone. Or if it's president calling leaving unencrypted message the sound of this tone. Hey Mike listen thank you get for. That made me look around this crap. All over this for the little encryption thing if they wanted you to remember where it is they make it big enough to see see with the naked. Whatever so look? I've been thinking that we haven't got this imminent threat domain thing right yet for why we kill the guy even if we couldn't wouldn't kill the other guy but so just talking with some friends last night some ideas some good some great you'd Decide we found out so many was planning to disrupt the Olympics. He was planning to disrupt the pro bowl. There was was a plot to blow up and Iraqi oil installation a Syrian oil installation one of his own oil installations. That's that's Kinda out of the box. Carl icahn thought that went up. Look Sean Hannity at a great one. We uncovered his plan to bomb the Fox Bureau in Tehran. And this this was terrific. He said if we'RE GONNA USTAD. Does that give them a couple of days to try to set up a Tehran bureau. You know we might have to fast track some crap or something reaction to the four embassy. Seeing lower show was out of this world. I could go on with Hannity say it's now sixteen embassies new information Yadda Yadda Chris Ready for newsmax. You know this was This was his they were planning to blow up the big trump hotel in Baku as by gender stand but never opened so that could get us an insurance payoff a off which you know not bad but maybe our banking friends wouldn't appreciate the new attention so much like really at all ever so okay. You're probably church. I am to really just stepped up for a minute to make this call then going right back and they started singing again. Look talk okay later. Mike you're the best. Nobody does loyal better than you. And now it's gentleman when the award winning news of the warm. I don't know what Tom Wolfe told me to do. This into the can listen to the deforestation is changing the way monkeys. We talked about monkeys earlier in this program. Supervising clowns monkeys communicate indicate in their natural habitat according to a new study. Deforestation is changing the way they communicate. The study led by an anthropologist at the University of Waterloo offers the first evidence in animal communication scholarship of differences in vocal behaviors in response to different types of forest edge areas. He's working in a tropical lowland rainforest. Costa Rica researchers examined how human caused forest habitat changes affected vegetation sort of by definition and in turn the rate and length of howling by the howler monkey species howler monkeys. He's living groups. Wouldn't you if you were monkey. It seems it seems reasonable led by Laura Bolt an adjunct professor of Anthropology Waterloo study compared how the communication behavior of the mantle howler monkey differs in forest edges impacted by human activity anthroprogenic edges as we call them now. Compared to natural forest edges anthropogenic areas were like areas when fifty sorry hundred sixty five feet of barbed wire fences marking the edge of the forest start of plantations or pasture on the other hand natural forced edges areas within one hundred sixty five feet of a river over that would be a natural edge. The study found that mates howled to defend high quality resources the durations of howling in the forest interior and river edges where vegetation resources are richer. The howling lasts longer. In those natural Israel areas the FA- The researchers found differences in how links between river edge and barbed wire edge areas an important insight for conservation. Planning howler monkeys eat leaves and fruit. Well at least they don't eat shoots and fruit and shoot me leaves and shoot and if they are howling to defend these resources we predict dick he eat leaves and shoots. We predicted that males would how for longer when forced interior or near the river edge. We're the vegetation is Richard. Their evidence shows that in fact anthropogenic deforestation is altering howler monkey behavior Bolton her colleagues say long term term howler monkey conservation initiatives should prioritize preservation of forest interior and river edge regions and reforestation of human caused forest edges. His we don't know what implications these behavioral changes may have for Monkey. Fitness says the researcher but it is changing howler monkey communication behavior. This is just one of the many ways that howler monkeys are affected by deforestation makes them how less what else would I do. News of the warm copyrighted feature this broadcasting now a moment of News About News Corp Nice Corp Corp.. Nice people doing nice things. It's going to sell its video. Advertising Company unruly doing advertising technology firm tremor at a huge discount nice nice corporal. Paid a bundle. It's going to get a Tiny bundle less. This is a digital advertising which everybody wants to be a part of the it has a product called share rank a tool that can predict whether wither content will go viral on social media. Screw media that if that works I wanNA take it to the track use of Nice Corporation. Jim Nice people doing nice things The German that's going to conclude this edition of the show back next week. Same time same station on the radio thing you want it on your audio device of choice and just like getting the howler monkeys howler. It's normal length. If you'd agree with me. You already thank you very much difference. Shosha Ho the San Diego Desk for contributions to today's broadcast the PAM Halston into guard Pittman here at W. W. and for their help with today's program the email address for the show playlist of music. Herod Huron and your chance to get Karzai talk t shirts all at Harrow. Dot Com it. And I'm on twitter at the Harry Shearer. Yeah the show comes from century of progress. I said progress. 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5 Films You Should See

Brothers On The Phone Talking Movies

34:04 min | 1 year ago

5 Films You Should See

"Okay we ready to roll. Yes Sir it is time frame. Another brothers on the phone talking movies. Podcast that's what we're doing. We've decided to do. What was it? Five movies is that what we said we try. We're trying for five five movies. You should see that. Maybe you haven't not the obvious. I'm not going to tell somebody to see star wars the Gut It's ridiculous if if you haven't seen those why listening to us you know you did take down immediately and I and I know listeners. Yes so these are movies that you should see. And maybe you haven't or maybe you haven't seen in a wildly. You should really watch. That's how I looked at this thing. I want you to kick it off. Come on what do you got for me? Charlie Chaplin's City Lights. I know I've brought this up before but I really believe that. A lot of people probably under thirty five. Maybe even under forty haven't seen as me and I think because it's a black and white maybe people get a little shyer or they get a little turned off by black and white movies but it is a classic Charlie Chaplin Film. It's it's one of the great comedic it's silly it film that is about self sacrifice and of course it's A. It's such a romantic film and I would give. I would give any amount of money this and didn't need a lot of tissues because it's a tear jerker but in a really really good way I just love this movie. You know I do. It's one of my all time favorite gums. And I have to be geared up to say you know but it has a really really great ending to. That's really a cool film. I must admit I haven't seen that movie and I don't even know how many years ago and you know and you see clips event stuff but I really haven't watched it from beginning Dandan. I don't know how long I really and that that meets one of your criteria. Because it's a film that you did see but it's you have to watch these films again. Because they they get us at different points in our lives and things are different happening in so I think it's a really cool film and in fact I've I've seen it maybe four or five times myself but I'll watch it again just because I thought I haven't seen this and they don't run it enough on the movie channels. Yeah yeah no I mean. It's it's obviously want to consider one of his greatest films and you know the consider anything top of the line for Chaplain. New shows your special. It is it is. I was GONNA pick. Maybe as an honorable mention and I won't even say it's an honorable mention. It is the great dictator. I think that's super cool film but this is important film to see. I think because this just yeah. I'm Joanne t city lights. It's just a really special now. All right I got to admit I should say it again. I haven't seen the longtime the first one. I'M GOING WITH BRILLIANT. Surprise you with this too. It was actually on the other night. Go figure and I watched it and I I missed a few minutes of it but I just sat and watched it and they said you know this is really a good movie and I remember liking it more and more as I watched it People that are fans of the genre have probably seen it but many people probably Kinda just pooh-poohed it for many reasons from sixty nine on her majesty's Secret Service. Oh it is it. It's a really underrated James Bond Film and in watching it first of all Diana Rigg. Maybe the best bond girl ever. She's one of the few that could act first of all and look good and I think that that's really is. Add something to it. It has a very atypical. James Bond ending. It's tragic obviously and then also the action sequences are really top notch They are. They're probably better than any. Sean connery action sequence. The cinematography is beautiful. George Lazenby. He's he's fine. He's not awesome but he he serves the role they dial it back a little bit. They make him a little bit more. Vulnerable Than Sean Connery. Maybe he was becoming too much of a character of James Bond. And it's a really great film. Telly savalas good villainous. Blow felt it really is. This is one that if you haven't seen for those just see it and if you haven't seen a while do it again totally do it again folks if you're listening to this podcast don't see this film. It's not one of the better James Bond films in fact. I'm going to battle with you say that I did watch some of it. The other night snoozefest. It's so boring Laszevski is. He's so bad as James Bond. There's nothing James Bond about him. Other than the fact that he had like six two and he has dark hair and is for that day. I guess handsome. But Oh my God. He's stiff in flight. There's no there's no comedy he doesn't have any of the kind of dry with that. Roger Moore had or the sexiness of you WanNa if if I could even say that of Pierce Brosnan and certainly doesn't have the physique or anything near the fissile. Well okay. I obviously boring it is. It's not I WANNA know. Why meet this goal boring? Goldfinger takes time to develop won't totally disagree with that but that's a much more. Why is this movie? Why do I need to see? Why is it so important I told you about it? You've got probably. The ultimate bond girl died rick who? I asked a close and then you have a look at the cinematography like I don't even think you're paying attention because you're sleeping obviously and look the cinematography. It's absolutely beautiful and the action sequences for that time are really good. The ski chase the car chase. Some of the fighting. They're much more spectacular and not as cheesy. I can name five bond films over that that are that offer. Better in every category for buying girls either buying gadgets not even close Russia with. Love was always your favorite one. I say I didn't say that this was my favorite one. I said this is one that you should see. And maybe see again. Reevaluated I reevaluated. Film I pooh-poohed and then I went back and have watched it a few times and I want you know. This is pretty good. There was a bond poll conducted. I think in twenty twelve and it was the number one. Pick from bond fans this film. It's Colt pick. It definitely is was it. Grandma's over. Yeah yeah the demographic Oh my God you're I don't know who you are okay. All right well thanks. Thanks for embracing this each good. Go ahead with your next pick and be careful. I had coffee later in the day. So you'll have to excuse me clogs well. This is your favorite genre musicals singing in the rain. One thousand nine hundred eighty two directed by Stanley. Donen and probably the diamond of musicals. If you haven't seen musicals in so many people don't see music please eight. They don't make them anymore really and they certainly don't make them even in the last thirty years anywhere near what. The quality of singing in the rain Was If you WANNA see a film. Great Choreography Song and dance and some of the greatest sequences and musical numbers man. This is a Gene Kelly. Debbie Reynolds Donald. O'connor it just doesn't get better and it just it's wall I don't do is your no rest Eunice. Well you're kind of right in a sense that because I thought about Whoa cave there's the wizard of Oz. That's kind of an obvious pick in a way because it's a little too obvious because if you're under seven you're probably GonNa see that it's important as a child. Whether you remember the first watching of it I don't know but singing in the rain is not something that every household grows up with families especially as the farther we get to musicals and this was in the golden age of musical. I mean we saw because mom liked musical. She loves musicals American in Paris which is another great one. If you watch this that will this will lead you to. Maybe that I don't. I don't dispute that. This is a really fun and I mean data. I'm not a huge fan but this is a fun one. Donald O'Connor I just love it. He's just fantastic. It's amazing and what's her name. Jean Hagen is very funny to Kind of the dumb blonde type but I just like I said. I think it's kind of an obvious pickets in that top tier of musicals but okay. I only say because there aren't a lot of avenues to really watch classic movies to begin with and we know where they are and where we can find classic movies but it's not easy and they don't run musicals all the time they don't run them enough and happy and we need more cheerful happy silly fine and plus the fact. It's cool because you get to see the transition a little bit without giving away too much of the plot from silent era to the talkie so I highly recommend I know I know you love this film and I just think it's a bit of an obvious victim and it's a gateway them because I wanted to lead you to other great musicals like American in Paris and Oklahoma. I mean there's there's some meeting in Saint Louis. There's there's a Lotta great films but I think this one people can handle this and if they can analysts they could certainly see. That's entertainment the original one part part two part three. They're all fun. Obviously the great moments I followed the rules of this podcast. Unlike you who picked an obvious musical one of the greatest and that's why we all have opinions so Jealous I went to film from Nineteen eighty-four. This film was also the minute. It was released. Because it really. It was not going to be a big film in Insofar as box office. It's a neat story. And it's called Repo men Stars Emilio Estevez in Harry Dean Stanton and I don't even know how to describe this film. Like I said cult film the Day was released. Its part comedy. It's part adventure. It's part Sifi. It has it just throws the rule book right out. It's about a young punk rocker and Emilio Estevez who joins up with this Grizzled Car Repo Man Harry Dean Stanton and they repossess cars. And it's all the things that they get involved with in one of the cars. They happen to be tracking may have a connection to extraterrestrial aliens. But there's some really funny comedy in there that kind of pokes fun at you know the crazy eighties consumerism mass consumerism. That goes on everything that they that they consume in their bodies has For instance if they're drinking something it says beverage. Or if they're eating something in a candid says food is very funny and Emilio Estevez. Who's not somebody I really care for is perfectly suited for this role. He plays the punk rock really. Well Harry Dean Stanton is really goodness to. He's such an out there kind of guy and he's perfect for such an out there. Kind of film It is it's a lot of fun. The soundtracks really cool too because it is a lot of really great late seventies and early eighties punk rock and alternative artists and it really lends itself to the film. I think this is a. I think. This is a good pick. Even though I can't remember this film maybe I've seen parts of it. I never saw the whole thing all the way through. But it certainly. If you're looking at all the films the ten or eleven films that we picked. I don't have anything that represents that time period. So that's kind of a nice time capsule so I like that picking. Maybe I'll like the film. It wasn't something I was attractive. But go ahead. Yeah like I said it's just a it's a cult film. It's it's not one that you're going to see is going to gross two hundred million dollars. It's a film that you gotta sit there and you gotTa Watch have to be in the mood for it and you have to suspend disbelief. It's a wacky film. You think you. There's this film qualifies as a black comedy. Yeah Oh definitely Oh yeah yeah absolutely. Yeah like I said. There's comedy is really is underlying throughout this whole film but there's elements of Scifi adventure and car chases in violence. But it's still a funny film in in many ways so I I definitely recommend seeing it. I think it's a it's a good time. It's you won't see anything like it and it is. It's very much of that period of time but it still holds up because it's so out there. I'M GONNA I'm GONNA revisit this. I am going to give it a chance. You should all right. That's good I went really very serious on this. Next Pick Schindler's list. I was actually my first one. I thought I was between Schindler's List or guess. Who's coming to dinner because these are films that I think maybe people haven't seen certainly guess who's coming to dinner I would say that's a certain demographic and that certainly talked a lot about that was all about the Interracial marriage of a couple and just sort of evolved and how they tell their parents but I just thought. Somehow I think Schindler's List just Kinda hits me in a different way. I think that it should be shown in schools and I realized that it's a tough theme. Certainly because of the time period of World War Two The Nazis. I realize you can't show that to young children but certainly certainly to high school students. I don't know I just think that there's a lot of people that really should see the story. It's a true story of the German industrialist Oskar Schindler and what an amazing transformation his character goes through. I mean it's a real person. He's a real person. It's it's just a an amazing film and as sad and his melancholy is as it is because it is true the events that happen at the same time it has an upbeat it has a hopeful ending and and I just think it's. It's just something that people should see. His character goes through a an amazing change in the in the film. Which makes it such an interesting film to watch. And and as I remember correctly when it aired on television Steven Spielberg made a deal with the networks that it would be commercial free so I I strongly recommend this film You mean you have to really be. I mean it was very successful at in. Its time especially for the subject matter. I mean I'm sure the film probably gross two hundred and fifty two hundred million dollars. Which a film of that subject banner probably would never have gross that type of money but do people still watch it. Are People still viewing today? I wonder in therefore i. I say that the pick is an interesting pick. Don't know that people are watching it today. I don't. It's a good question I don't really I don't know and again. This is not something you see every day but Steven Spielberg Steven Spielberg got this made. Because he made amazing hits like jaws and an et and and and raiders of the lost art. I mean He. He was the king of of major epic blockbuster films and they gave him. What was it? Twenty million or whatever it costs to make this film and I don't think they wanted to do it but they didn't have much choice but it ended up being pretty successful so I just think anyone. The Best Director Filing For Schindler's list. Yeah I mean it's obviously a very brave film and not too many directors could pull it off like he did so. Yeah I mean I I would recommend anyone or you if you WANNA see acting ray fines. If you're a fan of Raiffeisen. Whoa he. Is He scariness. He really his for his performance isn't grow if you think he was great in. Harry Potter was voldemort. Which is wow. He is a monster in this. It's yeah it would be nice if they showing this In schools is that they ever would And that's a shame but I definitely couldn't hurt to see this type of film and people see what can happen I'M GONNA kind of pick you back when this one. Interestingly enough with the film is somewhat similar sense I'm a huge fan of film war and I love the the dark in the shadows and there's a lot of grief film noir picky one from nineteen forty seven. It's a message picture dressed up as a film noir. Murder Mystery But it's called crossfire and it talks about the evils of Anti Semitism coincidentally enough In in it's about a gentleman who's Jewish who gets murdered because he's Jewish and it was really it beat Gentlemen's agreement which came out the same year to the movie theaters. The original story was based on a murder of homosexual. And I think the producers just fell Hollywood in the public weren't quite ready for that yet so they toned it down to more relevant team at that time of Anti Semitism especially postwar It's a really neat film. It just shows what happens at night and none of it is any good and the darkness and into office film. I had never seen this though you recommended this to me. And you've got to see it. Robert Young is great in it. Robert Ryan is is is Whoa. He's evil total totally. I mean he was nominated for the award performance and it was a performance. I think the dog demaim his whole career because he was so not that guy and he couldn't escape that performance. I like this film. This is not a film normally the I would have picked. Maybe gentlemen's agreement this. Maybe wouldn't have hit me right away but this is as good if not better. It shows you how how horrendous it was yes and appeared to have what people went through. Well I mean you have. You've got post war. And you've got soldiers aimlessly walking around the streets and these are guys that are smoking cigarettes. They're drinking. They're playing cards and they're getting into trouble because they haven't really found that next phase of their lives yet. They're just adjusting to coming back home. And you seem billion live. Yeah see what happens to these guys? And some of their prejudices that they carried over are back home now and it's very interesting and yes. It has Robert Ryan Robert Mitchum Robert. Young all three really good Robert Ryan deftly steals the show. But it's funny you don't get too lost in the message really until the end when Robert. Young kind of gives a speech about it. It's a murder mystery. And it's a good one and they really don't like hit you over the head with it but it's there yes definitely. Yeah it's a good pick. Thanks I like that. Yeah in fact it makes me WANNA watch it again. Yeah because I think I saw it and I was a little bit sleepy. It was later at night and so I should. I should just want. Dvr Or just watching totally. Yeah pick and well I can certainly pick up a little bit. Maybe with This was really. I was really between two different movies. I have to say. Mr SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON NINETEEN THIRTY NINE FRANK. Capra films eighty years old this year. I I love this film because it just. There's not enough of these films that are made about characters that are idealistic and see the world in such an inspiring way and when they believe something and they're passionate about an idea or they're 'cause they just they don't give off in Jefferson Smith. The character Jimmy Stewart plays just personifies that that care that character. I was going to mention Mrs An honorable. Mention the movie rudy. Which I think was a I remember when I very first saw thinking. Wow talk about an indomitable spirit. Somebody that just doesn't give up the prices on against all odds not that movie. Just the DEFRAYS. Yes I I have to say that this movie is it just makes you think like are are there are people really like this that exist in the world and I think there are but it's just it's just cool. I think for people to see it just it made me think like anything is possible so. I think it's a grand Jimmy. Stewart is just terrific in this film. I should've won the Academy Award for this film and Not Philadelphia's door yeah he was great and I. We've talked about that before we. I do believe Robert. Donate who want for goodbye. Mr Chips deserved at nineteen thirty nine. But I would say that Jimmy Stewart was an excellent Second Choice for me. And Yeah his performance in Philadelphia Stories. Fun I I imagine. It was probably a reward. Because they felt they maybe they messed it up thirty nine. I don't know he was delivering so many good performances at that point Yeah I mean. It's certainly a good pick You know we. We need something like that in. Today's world Frank CAPRA always with the messages in his films. I'm not a huge frank CAPRA fan. I don't always care for the messages sometimes at the heavy handed But I respect it and it it it is a it is a good film it does draw you in and you really do care about their character. You really deal when you see him. He can barely stand and you feel for him so okay and how many films we see. Robert Deniro changes look and lose. Fifty pounds gained fifty pounds the same thing with so many Christian. Bale he doesn't always get always loses a ton of Wade and and I'm bill. How many how many actors can you think of that? Lost their voice while they would get homing the movie and Jimmy Stewart. Actually uses loses his voice. While he's doing a terrible it adds to the It has the authenticity of the phone. I don't know that you'd fan of the filibuster though. So that's why that's why we have an issue with this phone but that's for another time I'M GONNA go to Nineteen eighty-one. This is just funny flat out funny movie definitely under the radar. I think a lot of people never saw this film. I I really recommend seeing. It is just silly. There's no message here. You just want to sit and laugh and you should laugh. It's used cars directed by Robertson Mexico's and executive produced by Steven. Spielberg I really I. Don't there's I like this big? It's not trying to be an important comedy. It's not trying to be anything other than just ridiculous and I think that's why I love it. It's absolutely And everyone is in it. And they're playing to the hill a Kurt Russell. Better and he's underrated actor. I've always felt he was. He plays a smarmy used car guy. But you like him and Jack. Warden is hilarious to roles fantastic. Royal His Royal Fuchs to shows his range. Here's a guy that played a lot of serious roles but he was really great in this. He great great sideburns Giving steel I mean they picked a very fine actor to play a comedic role. Not a comedian. Now Jack Ward proves that. He is definitely overlooked and underrated. I like this. I was GONNA pick a silly film. I was GONNA pick a caddyshack but I figured you're going to have that covered. I just have faith that you would have the caddyshack too obvious like you said I. I tried to pick things that weren't well. You're you're right. I was just flying recently back from Nashville. And there was a couple sitting next to me on the plane and its southwest had about maybe six or five or six movies that you could watch and one of them was caddyshack and they must have been. I would say in their late twenties and they were debating which film to watch and they were looking at a little little trailer caddyshack and I thought If you guys want to laugh this is the film if you haven't seen it. And they said yeah we heard really good things about it and they were terrorists. Say They were obviously for sells. You should've immediately reported them. There's just un-american Americans absence just disgusting but Garrett Graham's greatest to he practically steals the movie is Jeff. Maybe the most superstitious character in his fill in that movie he has. He's just he's hilarious getting into a red car. It's a red Car Rhody. It's just fan task. It gets so silly. Leonard Squeak here in They're funny I like. I said totally totally silly. Totally ridiculous worth. Think you're GONNA love it you're gonNA laugh out loud. That's a good. That's a really. Yeah we we needed a silly pick. I'm with you on that. And that's overlooked films overlook totally. I think this is. This is important silly comedy to say it really is well. You're not going to get a silly comedy out of me. I my my last pick is going to be rear window and I this was not. I wasn't debating this at all because certainly it's in the AF is a one hundred greatest films of all time not that that was a criteria but it was cool to see that it's pretty high up on the list. I think this movie's really when I first saw it. I didn't think about the perspective of film that seeing through the main character but we also get to see it and make a judgment from our own is as well and it juxtaposes. It's back and forth. Which makes it really fun to watch. And I think it's maybe Alfred Hitchcock's one of his greatest masterpieces. We get to do something. We get to be voyeuristic which is just something that it's not necessarily the most flattering thing to admit but I think it's something that we all think about as human beings and and and certainly hitchcock was somebody that played on our fears and he would show kind of the worst side of humanity So I think this is really. It's a fun film it's comedic. There's there's certain certainly romance in it. And it's full of suspense and mystery. And I just I love it and I just I can't get enough of it. Every time they show it in one of the art festivals. I go to see it because it's so cool to it on the big screen. I mean it's a really good movie. I can't argue that. I think it's kind of a and it's a two John Vincent note. It's a no risk pick though I don't really you're pushing the I mean it is. It's a great film. I always had one problem with this film. One problem is I never really fully bought Grace Kelly Jimmy Stewart? I think because the age difference. I think the age difference based on the looks. Because that that that's that's something different it just it never. They never felt that much of a couple to fake. I think there was a there was a resistance on Jimmy Stewart's character. Which is I think. Part of the back whose character wasn't and he did a great job of big Nori her advances in the fill me so it kind of makes you feel like it's not a great match up to do with them but really she's the one that's more stuck on him and once once that relationship more than he does but when I saw it again. Mar I'll tell you what really hit me. It was a two-shot film that we're looking at it. We're looking at all the lives in all the happenings of people in the different apartment buildings without give me too much film away and of course we see the inside of where Jimmy Stewart Grace. Kelly like I said it's an Argo. Hits a great film. I I think it's like it's a no risk. If you had said rope I would have been more fascinated with with that pick. I don't think people a lot of people are not going to be a lot of people's cup of Tea. I wouldn't I wouldn't think that I mean it's a Nissan. I like it. I think it's a cool film but I had to really grow on me and I don't know that something I need to see. I'm going with rear window. I know you're a little on the fence about it. I know you like the film. I mean yeah I mean listen. It's a great film and everything. They don't make movies like this anymore. Where do you see a movie like that? Not Very inventive. It's very creative My last pictures from nineteen thirty four. And I've I've gone through this pick many times Oh by the way. Rear Window is nineteen fifty four by Alfred. Hitchcock cock-up yes. Thank you Universal it may tons of money with Frankenstein and of course dracula and then eventually the mummy the Wolfman I think those are the films that remembered for most during their kind of Golden Age Hollywood but the greatest heart foam they remained in my opinion was the black cat. And it's the one that I think is really. It's the one that sticks with me after all these years. Don't get me wrong. Frankenstein Dracula their fund the Wolfman Great Horror Film. I feel like everyone's probably seen some version of those films with the Black Cat. Takes risks. The black hat is a very risky film was made on that. Kinda DICEY PERIOD. When the code was still a little gray was teaching and they could get away with a lot. I mean it's a movie about satanism and of course there's necrophilia in in all kinds of violence in horrible things happen but it's so subtle And then you have the two greatest horror film stars of of all time going head head. Karloff Negoti Carla has never been more sinister and yet more controlled in a performance. He is just the personification of total freaking evil now aggressively dials. It back now just on a pronunciation. Do you say Bela Lugosi? Or Bela Lugosi. I go with the Bela Lugosi Bella. that's kind what I would think. Yes yes yes I do. Thank you this movie. You have been selling me. This film vacuum cleaner salesman. Just wants to sell you that Kirby vacuum so I'm just going to give into it and I'm just going to say I'm GonNa Watch this film from start to finish and report fact you take a quiz or whatever I I do. I really do is your favorites. I think it's maybe sixty two minutes long. You've wasted more of that time today. Doing something far less important. Which won't see is one of the cornerstones of Horror Cinema. But it's not typical in any way the sets or call the direction is very cool. Yes it's a little slow because of their thirties period. But I'm telling you KARLOFF is so crazy in it and go see is really good too. He plays a little bit against type. He's he's a protagonist for sure but it definitely a flawed one And their matchup together when they play a game of chess for a woman's life is just awesome. It really is an when Karloff sits or And you hear a done I mean it's just iconic it's like it's just amazing so they cram so much in sixty seven minutes and you should be thoroughly wonderfully disturbed after you see the film so well that I think is a great. I mean isn't good. Picks over off. I only had one issue and you had semi issue so I think overall we've got good films people. Well Yeah I mean. I didn't have any one. Can't argue a scene in the rain. WINDOW ARC rate movies. I just you know you have been riskier. But they're great films. There's nothing well you were completely offended. Five service well you've got it folks here here are our picks for this week's episode so Once again we are brothers on the phone talking movies. That's what we do. We hope you enjoyed the podcast Check you sound on facebook for sure. Check out these podcasts. If you ever want to chime in and let us know with your Pixar for the stuff we're talking about we love to hear from you. Totally pleased to see at the movies. All right good night.

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Best of Leading Season 2

Leading with James Ashton

45:42 min | 1 year ago

Best of Leading Season 2

"Hi there and welcome to a special episode of leading with James Ashton since we began this podcast in April. I've interviewed dozens of leaders from the world's business charity. The Arts ambient leaders in Education Technology Property Fashion Conservation Accountancy Healthcare Science. Sport and advertising have shared their greatest challenge that worst mishap how they motivate thousands of staff volunteers and their journey to the top. This episode is a compilation of their and our best bits. The Nuggets of Information. That really reveal what it is to lead in the twenty th century leading supporter by. Saxton Bam file the executive search firm and leadership advisor sacks Bam have more than thirty years of experience in placing talented and innovative individuals into a huge variety of organizations and groups. Find out more about their services at Bam dot com. Let's start at the Royal Albert Hall. Here's the Chief Executive Craig Hassle talking about taking forward the venues legacy as it nears. Its One hundred fiftieth birthday. He's in conversation with me. And John. Vincent the CO founder and Chief Executive of Leon. The healthy fast food chain. There's only so much you can change without all it's been there for almost one hundred and fifty years is jewel purpose protect the whole promote arts and science. So you have to put your modern spin on that if you like. It's funny you say that there's actually quite a lot. You can change the great thing with Robert Hall. It's founded on the a vision from Prince Albert. Who was a very clever guys? A German who came to live in England married Queen Victoria. He was a visionary fellow. He had this whole idea to democratize learning an arts and science and entertainment on all sorts of things which is why he built the Vienna and the Netra Museum Imperial College and and they're all hall so now what I WanNa do is go back to the vision and say what what was Albert doing. Why did he wanted to build this place? And what was it about? And so making their own alcohol more more open more available to everyone is something that I'm really do an hour but would love it. He'd be titled Onboard Fortune Channel Prints Out. He's here in the room now. His body were Jim. What about you because not one hundred fifty years of heritage you have got fifteen being an element of mission? I think I mean you you you never set up Leon just to sell food did you. So what did you set it up for? It TURNS OUT IT WAS. This is maybe grandma. Saying is to help humankind on the fundamental journey to wholeness. I'm not sure quite that other it out which I guess. Help people connect with themselves? Each other in the planet was basically. Why why why? We did it and subsequent in subsequent reading. It turns out that that is what most philosophies most religious man's fundamental or humankind's fundamental journey so didn't know as quite doing that but I vaguely what we're doing. It sounds a bit grand prince. Oh but actually I need to find out more about prince album so I didn't know that history So yes I'm wearing the Albert tradition. I think at least by the end of this recording there should be the makings of alien within the album. Which King John? How are you doing on that mission? Then because it is quite a challenge. You're growing an incredible rate. I think we're growing. Yeah but I think possibly we've had an in observable terms an impact on others are doing as well so I I often say actually. Our biggest biggest impact is in changing McDonald's. The if I think about you know. Some of these sustainable initiatives some of the desire to make food a little bit better for you create environments. That may be connect people a bit more. I think we've had something of an impact on those who didn't Henderson. Who ran the architect of the turnaround? Here he worked with Steve easterbrook. Who worked for him in the UK is now the label person and didn't hand had any said anything you see in McDonalds today and this isn't entirely true but as a love. Acceleration said the same does today which changes because we stood in front of Carnegie Street. And we said this is walk. Good fast food is chatter. Managing Change in leadership. I up. It's Chris Hurst with a readout on the advertising and marketing industries and the new skills they need to bring in. He's had the Hamas creative network which has eight thousand five hundred staff around the world and counts nestle IBM and Huawei among its clients. Chris's followed by Klag. You'll martin she's chief executive of the online ticketing train line which sells three billion pounds worth of training coach tickets. Every year across forty five markets Kloet talks about disruption and diversity and the importance of mental. The publishing boss Guilt Reebok all. It ship is about managing change effectively. I mean they will. Businesses people talk about businesses existing in three phases. Going up going along going down. I don't think the middle phase exists other going forward. You're going backwards. I'm also advertising and marketing. Well the good businesses going forward in the business going backwards. The clients spend on. Marketing is broader. Sense is actually going up. What's changing his. How that spend is being spread across the various channels. Obviously the big story being the huge growth under the rapid growth and the continued growth in most markets of digital so There is very much still a big important market amongst line organization. What you might call marketing services but we have to do is we have to adjust our businesses and the way we behave in the things we sell in order to be able to deliver that consultancy service to near channels. So what does that shish? If men FAB US that shift for Hamas made the we've had to change. Well I think some things changes something. Stay the same in truth. I think we have to learn some new skills. So for example on a digital marketing which didn't exist was dinners at ten years ago and it really was very very very different even five years ago so you have to learn new skills at such but I think what is as important people talking about the thing that's changing but for our business as I look at all of our businesses around the world the things that differentiate the ones that are doing well from the ones that aren't the businesses that are doing well for the ones that on the differentiated the differences the quality of the leadership teams. I mean it really is as simple as that where we have. Strong leadership teams effective leadership. Teams our businesses biolog- they do well. It doesn't matter what the client is. It doesn't matter what the campaign is actually down to the the the people who are leading the teams on the ground Well the leadership teams. I mean the way our business grow as we grow our client base so a key thing that the leadership and teams have to do is they have to be able to actively you know pitch and win more clients and that is that is enduring truth of our business so in that sense. It's the same. And what levers of they got to pull his only two it's Essentially particularly and creative agencies particularly it's potentially Allenton culture and that's always been true. Okay Claire You know plenty about change but the thing trae line is that you very much all the disruptor if you like so what does that. Make your biggest challenge. You're right. We are disrupting where we're bringing an industry. That essentially was always offline into the online world. And so I guess you could say we're disrupting to an extent. I think the single biggest thing of single biggest learning from me in terms of leading through that level of disruption and change has been the importance of a solid purpose and a North Star so inevitably when you try to disrupt them and you take the risky path of accelerated growth. There are going to be ups and downs. And so what I've found has been very important is the sound purpose which stays constant for our business. It's champion a much greener way of traveling. Taking people out of cars. We hope reducing congestion and taking people from shorthaul flights into rail and coach and that purpose holds true and is tremendously fortifying during the the ups and the downs. And that's certainly been a key part of I think how I've led the business over the last few years. You think it's easier for you as a female leader to stay. We must diversify or do you think male. What do that just as well. I don't think it's any easier for me. I think I believe very deeply that a diverse team can be harder to form and Gel together. Because they don't have oftentimes the starting natural social bonds that more homogeneous team might have but absolutely in the medium to long run. There is a diversity. Make sure we don't have blind spots. A diverse team thinks through all the possible solutions and ultimately we get better outcomes. We talk about the Baroness Gary Book. Yes owners she's a dame yes as as I said I've I've had a few mentors along the way who've been hugely helpful and I think the the bottom line is talking to people who've been down the road ahead of you just generally. I think very wise advice. I met Gail towards the end of my tenure at Ebay and I probably had much like you spoke about a minute ago. I probably have after close to ten years in one company. I probably had a bit of fear about shaking it. All Up I'm going elsewhere. And she's very straight talking and she just told me to get on with a move. I took my role at trane line as the CEO when the mission was to IPO business. Pretty much as soon as I was in the door and I was five months pregnant And so I remember saying to gail you know if I do this. I will have to take three or four weeks maternity leave and I'll be in the middle of an IPO process and she said Oh for goodness sake. When I had kids there was no maternity leave and she was just tremendously helpful. Sort of grounded me in it normalized. I think what I was doing and you know that ended up being one of the best if not the best career decisions I've ever made and I remember that very well because you are heading towards still heading into I p o before a cake our came and the private equity deal and you did the interview in the Sunday Times. And there's a big photo of you and you're shaking your head but it was a real. I just thought it was a real moment. You know there was a good moment. There was a woman obviously pregnant in this business interview slot in the Sunday Times. And that kind of said well she must show that what gator said Taken effect and that you can do anything if you put your Monterey yeah absolutely and I think I've always been a bit feisty and bloody minded about the notion that unquestionably we need more women in leadership roles be in politics or business balanced teams. Deliver better outcomes so. I've always felt as of this generation. I have to do my bit as it happened. The thing choreographed it this way but doing my ended up being leading an IPO. And I was pregnant but I twist it on its head or at least in my own head. I said you know these. Investors probably see a bunch of similar people over the course of a week and they will absolutely remember train line. Because I'm the only one who was eight months pregnant. I made a joke out of it. What about managing growth? His GITA with her take on the subject. He's a chief executive of Metropolitan Thames Valley one of the largest housing associations that landlord to fifty seven thousand homes before her. We have remote Livingston who knows a thing or two about growing startups. He's Chief Executive Pharmacy to you the prescription delivery company that dispatches one point two million medicines to patients every month he was also involved in the snacks by mail firm. Grays and the DVD DELIVERY STARTUP LA film yet growth is a really tricky thing. I've I've had the good fortune to go through four or five times now in L. Aventis that I've set up and run patients. Which isn't a natural attribute of mine is something that you have to learn and adapt to and oversee. What we do is is an exception. The important thing. We can't afford for wheels to fall off with drug programs because they're a little bit more important than what film. We're going to watch next door whether or not unique snack food through the post which are other businesses. I've been involved with so we are exceptionally diligent in our clinical excellence and we will control and rain back growth whenever or if ever. We felt that we were unable to assure the ninety nine point nine nine one percent clinical accuracy. That we currently have now is GonNa come on some of this adventure later marks. It does seem that junior career you have kept Royal Mail in business. I'm the only one Livingston's and Baby Shepherd reflect. Yeah Gita people might not associate it with an organization like yours housing recession but but there's growth as well as their your writing. I think the last year you added a thousand new homes and and typically you look two thousand yes I think. Housing Associations are one of the biggest providers of new homes in the country and actually listen to mark around unit that growth trajectory. That you have. I mean it's interesting because we're CON ALONG LONG-TERM BUSINESSES. You know so. He's sort of been around. Since the fifties sixties and through those periods through those different decades you have real differences in terms of growth. And sometimes you know you'll the darling of government you get money thrown at you sometimes. Nothing sometimes show over the years. We've become much more commercial. So it's from our borrowings and our asset base that's grown etc so you know we really recognize that sort of explanation just given that you've got to be able to catch up with growth and you build a Ho but it's not just building. I hope it's going to make sure you've got the quality that you've got to get the management service right. You're going to repair all those homes so we always try to make sure that we're providing our purpose really is to to address homelessness to make sure that Providing homes for the nation. But we're GONNA make sure that whatever we build we can manage the the consequential elements of what comes next. So where were you on the Darling? Chart at the moment government active. Well I think the moment where seen as organizations in the sector that is reliable you know we always do differ always the numbers that we've been sat and we outperform. You know. I think the government need us and the people of people need us to provide those those affordable homes and to divert into politics but not along What you'll take on the housing crisis you say you definitely said that. The housing associations are doing their bit. So the implication is that someone somewhere else isn't was still shot and going into election time. The politicians was promised we can build this huge number and it was very difficult to to make these numbers stick. I think when they're actually in government local authorities are doing more at the moment but what they can do is the numbers are required. Knee means that you need to have a whole host of different providers that are sort of aiming for those numbers so it's really important that local authorities are building again. Nothing that's great. They've got some support to do that but they've been out of the game for a long time. It's very difficult. You can't just suddenly gain all the skills and expertise to be able to sort of deliver huge numbers. If you've not been doing it for a long time. Housing Associations have been growing and producing a lot of homes. We could do more. We could do more if we have more money. But it's not just about the number of homes built but it's the type of home that's built and how affordable it is and the more affordable home is I if it's rented homes than there are a lower social rent. The more subsidy needs to go into that. And that's either that's grant or its land all the seventy s come from somewhere so it's fantastic people putting housing at the top of the agenda and fantastic. The numbers are big. But the money needs to follow Margaret. Come BACK TO YOU. Three hundred and fifty or so staff in. Leeds what they get when you go into the office. What's your style? I would like to think we've built a real meritocracy. I would like to think. My style is pretty unbureaucratic. Pretty approachable I say. I would like to think because of course everyone has a perception of how they're judged and sometimes quite often you can be in forbid minosity surprise when you actually ask people honestly to. Kinda hold up the mirror to you but I. I would like to think that it's the kind of characteristics are described. Hopefully you know exuberant excited. Demanding are kind of things that I I would like to think part of our culture on a real pride in as I say just making a difference in believing we're doing things differently to the benefit of both the jets and the consumer. Do you get that from doing it. So many times with different launches I guess the investors. Because you're in that startup environment rather than you know the whole range of stop mocking investors choosing you will backing you see. Yo- you have to really get these big investors who commit from their funds on side. They want they want someone reliable if you like. Who's done it before he was GonNa Kate. Show on the road. Yeah you've got this horrible chick which is you know that they want new talent to come and make a return on their investment and run and build successful businesses but equally. There is no substitute for having done it before. You know. Good bad or ugly. What if you are the organization you lead at least to begin with Amanda Weekly told us all about starting up as a clothing designer? That would go on to dress. The late Princess of Wales beyond say a Michelle Obama she was joined by Dame Alison Nimmo talk about creativity and finding a work life balance Dame Alison was until recently chief executive of the Crown Estate and formerly designed director for the Olympic Delivery Authority. Amanda I would love to ask you. What attracted you to the role but I guess you you are the role. Is You if you like it absolutely is and I came back from living and working in America in the late eighties and I couldn't find the clothes that I loved over in America? It was before the time that the big American designers had made their way over here and I just thought in a very simplistic youthful way. Well if I wanted other people will want it so I started in a tiny tiny design studio in the back end of Chelsea and created a very small collection of pieces that I really loved and wanted to share with other people. And how does it feel to have your leader vote organization but you also have your name over the door so it's always always going to be very personal very personal and if ever I a whenever I correct people or pull them up for being sloppy or not working to to my standards I. I always remind them that. It's my name above the door and my reputation and so yes the devil's in the detail and That that they have to be my ambassadors to stores. Come up from him above the doors and I'm interested in how you balance up the moment you are what you are always founder of Amanda Weekly. But you're also creative director and I guess at the time times over the years you've had You know other titles associated. How do you divide a lot opinion? Mine how do you get your priorities right constantly? Juggling women do well. Isn't it remote multitasking? Yes you constantly multitasking for me. And I'm interested to know you alison because I know your opin triathlete on your and for me. Actually that's standing back and making time for fitness and all climbing a mountain to get that fresh and to get some perspective is fundamental. I also really believe fit bodies fit. Mind how have you've always? You've always done sport. I think I remember when I first interviewed you. Combine to site visit with a with a triathlon. Because just been ran. Great Windsor Park but I was diary planning. But you really very very good diary planning multitasking. To the extreme agree with Amanda said the because during the Olympics. Go very very busy and worked ridiculous hours to the point where. I I was about fall over really and I just thought this is complete madness and I need to get balanced back into my life. I used to love sport and I used to do running in swimming cycling and all that stuff and I just thought this is crazy especially the irony of working on the Olympics and not having any time to do any sport and I just started doing it again and I've I've just made a promise to myself now is part of was Amanda said just getting a balance in your life and I will say to people. You can't become run a marathon in the red zone you go to pace yourself perspective on having the right people around you and friends. Investing time in that is just as important a good leader. Actually I mean happy. Leaders are good leaders amount was seven boutiques around large around London into Bristol and Leeds in on. You must be. Please take anyone who's investing in in high quality retail space. Absolutely I mean I think it's an incredibly challenging time and the retail. Well the bricks and mortar retail. Well because so much is going online and going away from the city centers and all of that so It's music to my ears because retail now has to be about so much more than just beautiful product and good service. It's it's about. You know what more you giving your customer open up? Make make you'll theater whatever that theater is for me. It's very much a sense of home and sharing is really fundamental to retail. Now people say in luxury. You're only you can only be as good as your last collection. Perhaps but you also have to have I guess that long term relationship with people yes absolutely and so we work on really extended timelines for example would just finishing up the design of winter. Twenty twenty twenty which is just crazy and then we have to go straight into spring twenty one and a half that all sketched before Christmas. Which is you know but by the same token over the last few years we've divided the collection into being the the fashion collection and then also offering you'll real key signature wardrobe staples so you'll perfect pant whether Europe a flagpole or a wide leg Or Peg pont girl great white shirts beautiful Kashmir staples that you can always get. They never go on sale you. You're saying I'm really proud of these pieces. The perfect wardrobe staples perfect in my mind. That and that I'm respecting my customer by saying I don't put these on sale. These these are beautiful pieces that form the foundation of your wardrobe. So where do you get a lot creativity and inspiration from ooh actually life and I am a woman designing for women? And what do I need? What makes me feel good? 'cause I always think of clothes as a very soft armor and you know they they actually talk about who we are and they might talk about who we are on that day or for that event and that might be a different person. I'm a huge believer in dressing. You'll mood what do you. How do you need to feel today? Do I need to a little bit? More empowered at the school gates. Yes actually have four ply. Cashmere sweater will make me feel quite special. All that perfectly cut dress will give me just put my shoulders back. Made me feel stronger in the board room or in that interview or that important. You're still very hands on in that creative process I am yes. I think I do think that you have to have. I'm sure you agree. A Complete Passion. For what you do otherwise with things to do with life and so that's my if you call it my indulgence. But actually I think it's is essential because I'm a living the lifestyle being that it so I know what I need and how I want to feel that informs a lot of my design decisions on what about getting to the top mentors can help is dame janet beer talking about someone who helped hone away at Manchester Metropolitan University where she became pro vice chancellor later moving onto Oxford Brookes and then becoming vice chancellor of the University of Liverpool first of all. Here's Leonor Scheppach. She's the chief. Executive of Montessori Saint Nicholas talking about the lack of female role models in the city when she was embarking on her career and Margaret Thatcher. Came in handy as she looked around for ways to progress and talk about either. Who's mentored you or who who you are mentoring. So you've talked me. Margaret Thatcher wasn't a direct mentor. I could see she was the only woman I could see at the time in a senior role. It was terrifying. Will it was? He was genuinely the only and you know certainly going into the city there. Was You know the women were the secretaries all the type is pulled or something was nobody around? You could say look you know his his a senior woman for that reason. I've had one female mental. Who was the CEO? The first charity I went into so so basically when I when I came back from Croatia. Which is where. I ended up working and I wanted to try to sector and the game was as a receptionist and so I applied for it and the CEO who was female who'd actually being a head teacher of a school set me. Why do you want this job? You know you'll so over qualified as I really want to. Everybody and to give her do she. She took me on and she was trying to change the chatty around and done it in my spare time rotary plan and then went to see her and said this is how I think you could do it and I can help you and again she she was you know she was open minded enough to not go who your perception is. What are you talking about? She actually redditch called me and she said Yep Tucson's very good and I said well all implemented for you pay me what you're currently paying mean than six months we we've changed things that we can talk and she really was the first person that kind of said. Yeah I believe in you. I'm going to help you and I'm going to listen to you. Which I think is really important. She was great. I've had coaches and mentors throughout my career for short periods of time. Which will you know? I'm very grateful to them. I do meant to people do mentoring with the Cherie Blair Foundation so I mentor. Young female entrepreneurs in Africa most needs to to meant. He's I have is are in Africa but I also mentor Other CEOS a smaller charities who are starting out to help them Jenna who helped you along the way well a lot of people but you know standout was Unlike hugh the were senior women in Universal. They're not very many. And my the big boss Immu Dame. Sandra BURR'S LEM was an incredible force for change in good in my life and on undying Lee grateful to her so she was a head of department. She kind of made all kinds of things. Possible for me. You know just let me know about opportunities. She was a big stop development fan as well and so I was PVC Dane. She suggested I go on the senior women leadership course at Harvard which is intensive week almost but absolutely life she also put me forward for the top management program and new supported in when I would I would say. Do you think to apply for this unit. Both membership will that role in new H. E? Padeas makes you absolutely always behind me. An incredibly positive enabling so she was brilliant. Did you pick up some skills from Arizona? How shame because if it's been it's been tough for your generation to some extent for her it must have been O. I mean she had the most amazing career in the versity that she came back from is a whole novel but just suffice it to say that some when she was newborn father was working in Shanghai and she spent the first five years of life in a Japanese prisoner count. Anyway she's A. She's an amazing person but I have tried always to live by the words of Madeleine. Albright is a special place in hell reserved for women who don't help other women and I worked to help others to to develop. Let's go back to the outside world history of Murphy on his first impressions on becoming chief executive of English national opera after a career in TV. At the BBC and Sky Steer Start with you Eighteen months into English national opera. What's the biggest challenge for you coming into that job? So am the narrative around English National Opera. Been negative for years and I'm so as partly trying to create a new narrative which initially had to be fictional not based on anything just so that people internally could believe that the rosy rosy future was possible Lots of people felt downtrodden. Lots people talked about failure. There were really risk averse which is really difficult in artistic environment where there's no science and no clear definition of success or not and so it's again the toughest thing was trying to get everyone to turn in an opposite direction on instead of them always looking at the negative or worrying or just staying still was to try and get movement in the system because this was a grand old organization. Ev. Everyone had heard of it ever seen the coliseum in in in in the west end but it had been in special measures financial measures for one. And a bit as you say but risk-averse here I mean actually spot on the kind of naughty step from the Arts Council about eight years ago but came off the naughty step about four years ago financially. It's been in a really safe from solid. Position for four years reserves have been growing. They're about six million now which is kind of unheard of finance institution. This year we posted the biggest profit almost ten years audience. Attendance is up eleven percent so all the stats are there speak to a rosy future but initially people just didn't believe it so it meant having to go around people saying look this is what a great organization can look like We can have a campaign. We can have feedbacks. He can constantly growing You can be proud of you job so when you see people patio speak to your kids. You can feel good about yourself. These things are possible and because he I know has eighty percents specialists and only twenty percent generalists by that. You mean the the crafts people the people who build the sets and the people in the Orchestra Pittance Ellen. Exactly that if someone's out here no. It's very unlikely they're going to leave anytime soon. Because it's difficult. Get set building job another theater so instead of getting rid of difficult people and hiring in fresh blood and using as a way of getting people to be more positive had no option but to kind of get down and dirty and in the weeds with people being that forty years saying look. I know you said it was better in the eighties. I was nine when we were in. The eighties is kind of five. Prime ministers go I know you've been here for forty years and you don't believe a mission and vision written down a helpful thing. Oh an all staff survey will come to anything but just trust me on it and a can-do and for eighteen months being saying that working hard and then having enough proof points that people have now started to say actually it can be a better place and as I say. The narrative was behind the reality And that's been really frustrating. Do you think there was suspicion around you? These guys coming in from the tally. Wendy's from the north. I mean these. These are both things that they hadn't necessarily seen people. Aren't you running the international opera before yes? I think? There's an element of thought. I mean there's lots of examples Dennis Hawks I WANNA say. I'm sure I've got the wrong Jerry. Isaacs Tony Hall of Oakland from. Tv turned pro. Says happened before okay. success I think. Probably there's an age thing you know. Lots of people. People usually go into opera. When the kind of in their fifties and sixties numb you know a very young forty seven year old sitting here in my must Beatles I don't have a northern thing. Maybe the was. I mean. There's definitely a pace thing in the BBC. And certainly in sky you pedal downhill and a whole bunch of phrases. We used to live by. One of them was if something works. How do you go faster? And at scale our in an institution that is good ruminating and one would argue. Excellence comes out of great rumination but sometimes unfocused room. Haixing you know going at pace is sometimes seen as the opposite of great creative endeavor. I was trying to say achieved enough examples. Nowadays Apple being one of them were brilliantly. Creative stove can come out of driven focused culture. I mean after the initials of Montale so when people realized I wasn't there to dismantle opera and I love and I was a good person and you know looking out for the company and had people's backs I think then the heat come down a bit but first couple of weeks and I note that you've funded a Christmas party. I don't know whether that's just something nice that you did. All this would be a great way of bringing everyone together. Yeah basically I mean I don if if you feel the same I'm constantly trying to work out how you short circuit your relationship either to the customer or to the staff and a lot of the time as chief exotic you are sticking your office because people come to you for meetings and you is respectful to go through people under you immediately onto you and not to short-circuited and go to people the star that career in the company so I'm constantly looking at ways where I can bypass I in a way that is respectful to the management team and so Christmas party seem the ideal thing. Management style is also something to consider. Here's our spending from entrepreneur. I on the leadership approach of big tech firms and Tony Blair who she worked for early in her career. First of all Becky spay to the chief executive of the Royal Society for the protection of birds on her management style. So what's your management style? Oh God that's awful question isn't that was not in the notes I think about. If I'm strongly of the belief that you do have to bring different styles to bear in different occasions you have to be flexible. And what's interesting is I. Think a lot of founder meglomaniac on that flexible actually which they succeed so I think that flexibility is important. I think the I think one of the default style and my default star is definitely. I think to listen to people and to build up from that. As opposed to impose and to do a lot of horizon scanning a lot more horizon scanning I think than I think a lot of big organizations inherently do lift your sights and look around outside outside the gaps and you get the context right for what you're trying to do. I think the danger in a big organization is saying that you just plough on because what is can you give us a health check for Birdlife in the UK? Charity talks about forty million birds being lost in the last three or four decades. But there are bright spots with samples of things that were very very close to extinction the white tailed. Eagles had been lost and have now back inbreeding in numbers in Scotland for example there's gloom but also bright spots. Yes but this question. Lots of gloom is it. Great report comes every three years ago. The State of Nature Report about seventy organizations pool all their data and say what is going on and that shows a trajectory of decline over the last fifty years and that you know when you look just over the last ten years. It's definitely not letting up so once. Common birds like lap wing which is so common that it had a name. A peewit that has dropped drastically in numbers may be stabilizing a bit at the moment went to not quite clear but really low numbers now and same with. Beach Charismatic curlew. Which has that lovely kind of. Lingering call here in a kind of upland area that had a crash numbers as well. Turtle doves right on the edge. So there's a lot of bad news part but there are some spots of where we know if we had habitat management right if we kind of manage things like kind of Predator impacts can be quite big and we can stabilize populations but I think we looked all the data in that report. There are some big drivers that are shaping this overall context and they are things like climate change the impact of climate change on species the impact of agricultural policy. So I wouldn't say farming because there's some pharmacy fantastic work for wildlife. But the overall impact agricultural policy of the last fifty years has really changed Orlando Apes and made them far less inviting to wildlife and policy habitable and things like other factors like pollution for example pesticides. You know they've all had an impact but these big drivers are causing this big overall decline in. That's what we need to turn around and say I'm quite often looking. At one of our reserves where for example we've got a very successful population of lapping. That's doing very well but that is not enough in. It will not be enough to have an arc of a population existing on a lovely little protected nature reserve. We need to see Latin back in our way to countryside. If that population is going to really stabilize and then thrive so a lot of what we do is about trying to achieve recovery furniture on a much wider scale. I listened to sake from birds to tech. The tech environment seems quite healthy. You are breeding grounds. Lots of breeding ground attack. But I'm interested in your view on on tech leadership because quite often the people who are leading the big technip companies. Don't seem to get it if you look at some of the big platforms. There's the move fast and break things mentality and it's not our fault. Gov what would you say to that Hank? Texas is really interesting position at the moment. Where if you look at the very big tech companies. They are suddenly having to respond to and behave like many companies. They were trying to resist becoming. I'm it's largely because of the significance of the impact that having on on the global population. And we've seen this with various elections and I'm sure we don't want to into that now but I think it is interesting because so much of building. The culture around tech startups is about challenging. The status quo is about challenging existing leadership styles and existing leaders and norms. As I think it's really interesting to see the current wave of the Google and facebook than I was having to come to terms with what it means to be leaders. These founders becoming leaders very big culturally important companies and as the companies that we're working with the still relatively small and I think in the early days you have to be in the mindset of a startup where you are constantly John Jones Day Square. You are moving fast and breaking things I think. Unfortunately or fortunately as the as companies grow you do have to change the leadership Stalin and take into account. The you want startup anymore. You're actually part of the status quo and I think that's a reasonably hard shift of founders to to make the shift in style or actually you you change the boss. I written a lot on on academic these university spinouts. I mean quite often. The academic who came up with a brilliant idea at the lab bench is definitely not the CEO material going forward but some of them do insist on giving it a go. Not as something that we are. She came to challenge the thing. Yes the majority of academics Leon founded in the way that the majority of most people probably on founders. I suppose we roll entrepreneur. I is finding the academics who are both academically very brilliant but it also co potential one of Antonio values is that we believe in technologists. We believe that technologists can make amazing founders. You look in the US you know some of the biggest and greatest companies whether it be Microsoft whether it be facebook were created by people with technology backgrounds. I'm I would love to see in the UK as really celebrating those with technology backgrounds celebrating the fact that they can be leaders and founders. So that's something that we a lot of our most successful companies the CEO's do have technical backgrounds abroad to that just to touch on. You worked in the Tony Blair offers for a little. While as an intern I think and this was a period when he was transitioning out of number ten from Prime Minister to whatever else what your observations of that was very much a leader setting his own path. I guess and doing something in a way that maybe previous PM's hadn't done. Yeah I mean again. It was a sort of a stop situation but this summer. The A world leader I think just being having the opportunity to be around A very senior world leader and see how they live their life how they behave and it was. Oh it was a wonderful learning experience and I think as your sort of Growing up if you like in your Building in developing your own skills the more that you can either watch other leaders in action or as as you were saying get thrown into leadership. Positions probably unqualified for is one of the best ways to learn his another interesting leadership. Pairing Jack Buckner is chief executive of British swimming. The elite acquired governing body going for gold at the Olympics and other international competitions. He sat down with me and Simpson. You'll hear from first Patriots Chief Executive of Anglian water the biggest water provider in England Wales by geography which serves more than six million customers. Every day I I think there's a lot of companies now who've kind of got that and there's lots of really good examples of what companies doing doing similar things in terms of that engagement. I one of the really exciting things recently as being all companies committing to public interest commitment but essentially a series of joint goals which we will share and the difference about those those things really is. These goals will collaborate and innovate together on on achieving for the benefit of society and the environment an include really ambitious targets around things like carbon how commitment to achieve your net neutral carbon emissions by twenty thirty which is pretty pretty bold stuff. That's all of us together. Yeah so that's all of us on. That journey is one way of put. And you've put that into that senior company constitution. I I wonder what that means you day to day basis. You know when you're you got to consider the broader stakeholders every day in the office business. That's how we have run our business for many. Many years is the way up Shareholders to think. It's the way the board wants us to think that's how we operate. The most recent thing we did was to enshrine that triple bottom line radiant our articles. I as a way of kind of making sure that whatever happens in terms of changes to ownership and the like in the future that it's really clear what's written on the tin about the organization but it's actually the way we operate. There's still a big debate about who should own our water industry and your job AC- Does it really matter who the shareholders I think it does matter? We're very lucky in England that we've got long-term shelled essentially pension funds who who are not in it for a quick quick buck by there for the long term. They want to invest over long term. They Sakhon equip cave came in with something which is a short term solution. So I think that aspect is quite important touching the nature of the sort of businesses. Means you really want shout. His aren't going to be there commit to the long-term because it's quite easy if you're only popped in for a year or shorter periods of big Joe older than actually. There's a lot of decisions that could be suboptimal whereas you know we have planning in a big infrastructure over quarter of a century. In many cases so please don't nationalize would be the message. Well I I was there. I joined just before dawn. Remember it was like notes. I definitely don't go back there. There's been a huge improvement in the amount of flooding that we see out there. They're River River Wall to call take interruption supply by eating water quality any metric. You want to look at. It's been a step change since privatization and which is so much more efficient than we used to be back then so I definitely wouldn't want to go backwards. An e credit really. See the reason for doing that. Given the cost of being bold with commitments. That the industry's making for the future in terms of this public interest commitments total earlier the level of ambition in the last off. I think is another reason why you'd say well why the headlines recently some criticism from Dustin Lance Black Tom Daley's husband about. I think it really boils down to how close the Family should get to the At the time that they're in they're in the elite competition. How would you respond to that? Yeah it's really interesting. Discussion it probably. We're very much looking ahead to Tokyo. So I'm talking about 'cause actually there's quite a few of our established stars now who were going to be parents and now as well and they're going to be away from home for a period of time so trying to make sure that the family supported the family unit supported but at the same time. There's no compromise in the elite environment. So getting those balances. Roy is something where we're vigilant on expectations to changing all the time about what's appropriate and what isn't a hope we've got about right or we don't want to go too far one way or too far the other because of this is a very big call particular when you've got big names involved and it reminds me of some of the football tournaments do you let the wags. Ainhoa do not let the wags in I think I think I mean we're not once not football. As a general rule most of the Olympics Paralympian worked on have got an astonishing work essay. That actually can put some professional sports a shame but I think often now things happen. I mean if you if you look at people's programs homes in particular. He's got one event at the beginning of the Games. Another later on a big time in the middle you know. All sorts of things can go into trying to create an environment where he can feel supported and he's got access and other all them access to the support they need but at the same time are able to focus rigorously on the performance because when they get on that diving platform. What jump into that? Paul you know nobody at the end says will actually missed a medal and it was nice though he spent a bit Thomas Family. Nobody says did not balanced rights. I love that you should ready. Thanks for listening to this episode of leading with James Ashton. We're supposed to by Saxton. Bam filed the Executive Search Firm and leadership advisor find out more about their services at saks. Dot Com. I hope you've enjoyed our best bit. So far. You can still dive into full length interviews with any of these leaders in the episodes carried on Apple podcasts or spotify if you like what you hear please rate and viewers. 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Pop-Punk & Pizza #136: Bluprint

Pop-Punk & Pizza

1:07:25 hr | 6 months ago

Pop-Punk & Pizza #136: Bluprint

"Radio radio dot com. All allan poe. Hey pizza we just a few days until christmas. And i hope you got all your shopping done and that you and your friends and your family are all staying healthy and safe. If you're like me you haven't got on your own. Your shopping done. Are all your gift wrapping done. That's always the hardest part. I'm always super last minute on that but Speaking of christmas you. And i actually get to spend it together this year There's going to be an episode of pop punk in pizza. Dropping on christmas eve called mary pop. Punk miss twenty twenty and this is the first time. I've released an episode on christmas eve or christmas day. Technically christmas eve obviously. But i'm pretty stoked about it. It's going to be twenty. Christmas songs in total played on this episode. Some are originals. Summer covers but they're all from bands in your seen all great songs and i think you're really going to enjoy it so just want to give you a heads up on that as far as today's episode. Though this is a conversation. I had with a band called blueprint who happened to be old friends of mine. So tyler josh and taylor and i. We all grew up in the same music scene as teenagers in the kankakee illinois area. Just south of chicago and long story short. We all grew up. They moved out to denver. They started a band there and now most of have actually returned here To the to the area that i live in which is still in the kankakee area and We we chat about that a little bit about that but more importantly we talk about new music that they plan to release in twenty twenty one that they recorded this year at sonic ranch with sean o'keefe and also mark rose of spit afield being the producer. So we talk about how that all how all that came about and much more. So let's hop to it. I do guess that arnold louder no your own. You're all good man. Wow this is like a reunion. This is crazy. I love this. I'm just thank you. It's just my virtual screen. It's you know no no no big thing but like my room is my room's a mess right now. So but anyway but yeah. I'm sorry it took so long to do this. Because like you guys have been like list of people to have on the podcast and like so many things like thrown at me and it's like it's so hard i only have so much time and it's just like so i i don't i hope you guys didn't take offence or anything like that. No final we just wanted to be prepared because we were trying to be professional. We weren't finally us anything so we got an early. I am so sorry about that. So like i am good. I'm trying. i didn't think we broke through enough to get on the show. Well what happened was so. I've i'm doing a new system of recording episodes where i'm recording like literally all of this month's episodes in one week and so i i had scheduled to recordings today one with you guys and then one before you guys and He was a little late and then we got disconnected a couple of times so like that kind of delayed. You know so i apologize. No good tony way. Honestly days anybody saying yes so you know i did feel bad because i'm like shit and then what happens like after you end the call and you know you. I'm recording this call. Like right now it takes. It takes like i don't know good five to ten minutes for the actual like recordings to like save and so then so that took more time but anyway long story short all here and yeah so i mean it's it's been i don't know at five years. Maybe maybe longer. I don't think i've seen you for almost ten years. Yeah i mean. That's probably and i know josh josh's seen you more recently than i have my brother josh not to be confused with let's hear but shoot you know what i completely forgot. We should go around. Make sure everyone knows which one sounds like so just go ahead and introduce yourself so people can kind of know your voices well. My name is josh. And i play guitar and as well seeing lead vocals and meet everybody. All right tyler. You can go off tyler. Play bass in the band. What's the on taylor and actually drums. The band all right cool. So yeah my brother josh. Saw you guys when you're on tour. Was that last summer two summers ago. Nineteen twenty nine. Okay so yeah summer. Two thousand nineteen. You're on tour and you stopped in new york. And i know josh made it out to that show right. Yeah and i wanted to make it out to the chicago show so bad but it just didn't happen and that would have been my opportunity to actually see you guys face to face but it looked like you had a ball though. He showed us some good pie in new york. I mean that's why i. I'm being to the city ever you know. And that's the first time. I've seen him in so long and was a blast past. He think he said something. After show us just like god. It was just so surreal. Like you've seen you guys up there as like. I couldn't believe that you guys are still playing music together like it felt like i was back at romer bakery or something like yes. Yes yeah. that's what i was thinking. When when you release rumors well okay so there you go. Yeah that's that's Exactly what. I was thinking when you guys released your latest single. Everything is all right. I was just thinking. Wow like it's so crazy to see these guys still together after like you know playing shows with you guys when you were teenagers and and now you're in your twenties and stolen lay right late twenties. You guys really. Aren't that far behind me. Because i'm thirty. You're what twenty seven. Yeah so But yeah so i mean. We're relatively close in age in and growing up playing shows together. So i guess the the back story. Here is josh. Tyler and taylor used to play in a band called rifts. End along with haley. Who vote right. But she's now harding right okay. So she's married any. Oh and of course austin to piano and bass player yes so they played in a band. Call that rhys end. Can they used to play shows with mild ban the projection all the time in the kankakee area. So so that's that's how i know these guys and now they have a band called blueprint which it's been. It's been a while though since blueprint blueprints is running around. Thinks they should. They should three. This will be a one. December is our second year of release. We're going on our third full year. And then taylor you had you fronted a different band For a while. I screamed at a medical van. Josh was actually in that van damme. Yeah i i couldn't remember. Tyler was also involved. He helped us get shows and stuff like that so on kind of involved in that project. Couple buddies name j jake michael and drummer brad. Super fun that's for sure we. We had some really fun times. Blamed shows with that s for sure and so. When was it like now. I know josh. Ooh just moved back to illinois. But taylor and tyler. You're still in colorado. I'm in illinois to wait on sailor him to get his. Okay so taylor. It'd be here in early spring. Wait we're not missing any shows true I'll be out there though. Okay so yeah i. I didn't see like tyler. I saw that you posted something about looking for an office space in the area. But i didn't know like i didn't. I never saw anything before that. That said you were officially back. Have you been back for a while than camber. Okay so yeah. So that's yeah. That's just before josh. Thanks josh's came back in the last month ago soccer. Before i was tyler here like basically just left without telling anyone what he did damn now. He told us well of color. We'd been playing this stuff since the summer because we're live. We can't sue tour. We can't like i personally couldn't take advantage of. I go all the fun stuff to do in denver was like well. Why don't we just lower are living. Save a bunch of money for next year to take a step back. And just prepare for whatever's next. It's a good little bit slower pace in the family and the awesome thing will not awesome because obviously cova slow down the music industry drastically as a whole 'nother topic that. I'm sure all of us could talk about through an hour. But it's cool that zoom thing and the fact that all of us can talk all the time and you know we just went. I'm sure we'll talk about it but we just went recorded music. So we're still working on those songs polish up some right. New blueprint record. Come in twenty twenty. One sweet yeah. We'll we'll definitely definitely touch on that. So tyler is it really that much more expensive to live in colorado than yeah it was. It was double for me. Wow and i have a house now. I had an apartment there. I mean there's pros and cons to it. I mean denver's really cool place and we. We kind cut our teeth with this band there. But it's just it's boom in big time there so with any city that girl in super fast. It's like the ran is what it is and someone's going to run it so there's nothing really like keeping it in check. I remember looking at least like getting ready to sign another year in denver. This past summer now is like i did the math and i was like it's either. I continue to play music and like all these business ventures. I have or like living a cool apartment for getting rid of the screws that yeah definitely Let's see because you have. I know both both you and joshua kits now. But i i apologize. I can't remember like boy or girl or or their name. So i i apologize for that. So i i know it's a little late. But congratulations to you. Both face to face mr thank you thank you i i guess relatively around the same time my son's three And and you're okay. i sorry. Go ahead tyler. My son's turn three month and a half so right on the same age. Nice nice and i forgot what it was going to go with that but anyway it's it's great sonner awesome on facebook. Jake thank you. Yeah he's he's wild yeah he he's crazy. That is wonderful thanks man. Thanks matt i appreciate it and taylor are writing a book right now. You know it's crazy. Because i started talking about it and telling people that i'm doing this and how people are actually starting to like ask me about it. It's wild but Yeah writing something. I've been doing since i was a kid and i finally got back into it. I didn't realize that what it what did you right before as a kid Same thing. i've always kind of went towards fiction. Had come up with stories in my head and want to get him on. Paper click came close to finishing a really long project. When i was a little younger. Didn't finish it and to be honest. Round the time corona virus coverted started to really affect my life. When i started picking it backup. And now i've you know taking instagram taking to blogging and really trying to ramp it up so when i release it and finish it you know. It's it's real so that's awesome man. Hold on just one second guys very since playstation headphones off completely wireless. My dog my dog is is being a little jerk right now. Yeah well see. That's the thing like so sometimes a lock him in the bedroom with me and he's fine but then sometimes he's not and then sometimes it's the exact opposite. I'll lock them out. But then he's like scratching and barking at the door. And so i was just like fuck it. I'm just going to leave the door. Whatever whatever happens happens if he barks. Well he barks. I apologize for the house. But what's the book about is it is it based on. Is it fiction. It's diction stephanie influenced by my life and the best few years. There's a relationship in the book that definitely is influenced by real things but the main story and plot that follows something that i completely just came up with. You'll have to read it to find out. But i know you don't wanna give completely away but i'm just really curious know something new new that i learned about you. I didn't know you're such a writer. So that's that's awesome. I look forward to reading that whenever you finish it. Twenty twenty one. I'm thinking okay. Cool cool so. What's it like tyler. And josh being back home. I know josh like you've come and gone between colorado and and here in illinois a few times over like what the last eight years or whatever it is since two thousand. I've had some luck. I guess he noticed china. Get it out there and get started and everything like that you know was kind of a while out at the time and kinda just whatever role he's direction. I guess for say can you not having year. Now i i. I think you're better now. I think he's on his phone fi all my wife. I just went out down. I mean it's been destroyed. Because i pretty much they'd gone for almost nine years. So a lot has changed. A lot hasn't changed It's not the same. Because i left as an eighteen year. Old kid But it's cool to be back and playing music. Because i feel like when i go to places in town like that's what people remember me as just pick it up back where i left off. You're the guy that was always playing music. And it's like yeah. We're still playing a lot of people that maybe thought we were kinda like dumb kids. Know atkin fools which we were dumb kids acting pools but we all were right now. They're like oh so you guys were serious about this Yeah maybe even more so now the nine because then we were just like so stoked to be doing anything with music announced like we have really thought out goals and where we're trying to head so it's cool to come back and feel like almost like a second chance playing music out here again. Yeah definitely i know. It's wild like i went for a walk the other night down down kennedy down forty five and because i live just off of forty five. I'm like behind bill steiner. That neighborhood so so second. Walk one night. And i was a heddon north towards and i walked past the old moon monkey and it's just brought back so many memories. I'm like oh my gosh used to play shows on that little patio rare and it just upstairs. She got married a while ago. And i think she man i hope she's times we played. I never got to play moon. Monkey as around fifteen and sixteen show at moon monkey grounded. That was when we were playing around that time. I don't know if that was one of the shows we played with you. Because that's all the times when you josh word. Lil little monkey like eighth grade plain monkey like the actual real moon monkey before our new. They didn't really care what we did there like. Yeah yeah do whatever you want. I remember seeing the pilgrims there a couple times on would play. Ten o'clock at night wouldn't be any issue and different now but yeah. Yeah exactly house my audio coming through. Now you're fine now yeah awesome. I'm glad you got it to work to know. You're all good. This the kid upstairs running around bumping into stuff. She probably just unplugged it or like. Knock the modem over some stupid crap but yeah yeah but to answer what you were saying. I think you're asking about bebop and back and forth tyler. Said he's been out there. He's been out there consecutively us out there and and his wife and together for a long time now and like i was saying i was kind of doing my saying moving along doing what i wanted to do. Then i kinda. I've moved back after moving to illinois twice And finally got back there. Got a place with taylor. Actually in michael and his girlfriend that were michael is cars for the common. Good the metal band. We were planning all got this huge house in castle rock. Which is i. Don't know i forty minutes north of Yeah okay so after that. I was there consecutively and then i met my girlfriend there. We've been together for four years at a kid and then the common good kinda started to trail off. We all started doing our own saying you know we just did it for fun. And i brought i bust out the acoustic one day four years ago three and a half years ago and just sat on my kitchen table just started writing and the answer came to me like certain in all these little tunes and then i was like maybe i should start a little punk band or something. Something like a play guitar and singing you know and then i got together. People in three years later so happens. That taylor is playing. Trump's against me and tyler playing days but he's playing guitar again with me and we're back in our hometown in the funny thing is is the. My dad owns the triplex. I moved into back here bradley. And i live directly across the street. From where taylor lived in eighth grade or learn how to like when we wrote music together for the first time kind of how that just like manifested itself in our here and our couple months away from taylor moving out here offspring altogether here again once again. You know. it's just crazy how the world works. I mean but then again you know everything happens for a reason you know. Yeah i mean shit like kankakee county needed another pop punk band back they needed. Hey because there's there's none that. I know of anyway. I mean you've got huge. Punking all right i'm sure what piggyback off a Josh that a little detached bid denver was definitely an awesome launch. Point for blueprint absolutely I don't care the finneran whereas a lot of venues like the thing is there was never a never a problem. Finding people to play with. It's like growing up. It's like you got search through bands or go to people that were from indiana. You know it's colorado. It's like once. We got sort of a local kind of thing. Going foundation we started meeting people networking with others and like. It's just people's drive in their in their you know dedication to achieve like music or like music out there is is great. It's it's amazing honestly. Taylor said it's like a great starting point. I don't think. I don't want to say this. But i i think we wouldn't have done as well without like our family and friends and the support of like people that actually care about local music back home you know in denver. We're from denver. But we're from here you know. This is our hometown So yeah yeah. This is kind of crazy. Yeah that makes sense. Because i mean if you think about it where like if you would start started blueprint here in the kankakee area. It's it's strange for this area because there's obviously the the music scene in case there is a much there so it's kinda like well you kind of have to go to chicago but that's far on and and you're you know you're kind of seen as well you're you're not a chicago based band and it's just yeah russia's hopefully that'll change. I'm not saying the chicago scene isn't welcoming to the surrounding areas or anything like that but it's just to me. It's a little trickier. Oh that's that goes without saying. I think we all know that exactly what you're trying to get we dealt with it. You know like we here in the thing is is that it kinda shows a little bit more tougher on us. You know 'cause doing it when we were sixteen. Seventeen or twenty seven now. We were able to do it. Denver a little bit to and find for motors nuts. Big credit to tyler. Because he's the one who kinda pull out strings and talks to a lot of the promoters in the people that get us on the touring bands that come through and it just took off really quick. You know i had a lot of the material Already i got the members together. We found practice spot. We've guitarist besides us You know just started practicing in pushing kinda like i kind of picked up where i left off with. You know a little bit. You know having that desire in that want to like play music again or do it for some sort of career you know an not discounted like l. Well oh well you know. I guess i guess i tried. You know i'm not gonna be that way people. Don't listen at this. Point is like why quit like what's the point of like hanging it up. You know always scaled back. But it's funny we're kinda like scaling up even more now. I mean chicago to me is like a big mecca for me next year. Because it's the most. I i personally think it's the biggest powerhouse. As far as pop on goes in the country. I mean l. a. obviously has a big scene for it but it but if you think of all the bands in our john that came out of chicago. It's kinda daunting but it's also kind of cool because it disapproves. There's not just one group of people or one age group or whatever listening it's kind of music here and it does make it harder to poke through. But i mean we're up for the challenge is going to be good know win but right now i mean and then you know you're all good here. I'll get go ahead. Oh i was just going to throw a there and then we're working with our Our producer that's doing our music housing's mark rose foreign played in Spittle 'field and yes he's residing illinois as well and he's helping us really with the and i think and then show keefe as on who's going to be mixing and engineering and he did take to your grave for follow boy and a lot of other big big artists that come from chicago. Big pop punk artists. I think this this trainer role on you know are moving out here. We've got these connections. We've got a good team behind us. I think and. I think there's some really really cool things to to come next year. Yeah i'm super excited What made you guys want to pull the trigger with mark. I mean was it just from being on on the was kind of things like you feel. You have any questions like did not get overwhelmed or explain to you in a certain way. Like what like a tour was tour. The times where it's like you're trying you gotta go out and you got sell merch to get gas money to get to the next city or to eat. You know it's like it's do or die like so that makes you think like you know and sometimes it gets a little stressful. Every time we were down ourselves or you know what should we do. We go back home you know. There's there's always that because things were you know things go wrong or but it's awfully mark. Rose your religous basically tell us in a nice way that you know everything will be fine. I mean it is. It's what you make nothing but a lot of up into perspective for us to like look man. I thought i toured with fall out boy and play the sound guy because it wasn't really much as though like touring if people aren't there i mean that can be tough but you're still doing what you love. It's just like we did. Twenty one days. No breaks some drives for like eight nine ten hours to get to the next place and he was really good at serving it up just kind of nicely but this being to the point he always took care of us but then he also took a special interest in our band and he would come after sets and be like. Hey you know this is great but work on this this nation. You don't meet a lot of people take like a big connection near music like for someone especially like mta. Go out of his way to help kind of coach us a little bit. That meant a lot. 'cause usually from your headliner they don't say anything or they're just like good and we'll see the next city which i get it. They're busy too but he was very matter of fact about a lot of the things like that. We should work on where we're going. And then once we shared with him the songs we are working on he then approached us and was like. Hey i you know. I have some ideas. We should work together. Obviously we were in. Yeah the three of us kind of came to a point where we wanted the next person that we worked with at this point in our music careers or whatever we wanted to work with someone who was passionate about our music without us like almost trying to force them to be in a way. If i know we've we've all been there before. Yes oh mark mark. Was that guy. You know what i'm saying. Mark actually like the passion behind it. You know what he's talking about when he listens to our music was real so that was definitely a big thing for us. Mark was going to do everything off the bat food. Then he mentioned sean and shows to him say we thinks a single and then after he heard that emits it and we gave him the feedback and he heard the fish fries like. Let's just do the whole thing together because we going to do like have mark. just kinda. Take the reins on it. But sean was interested in. They turned up. In sean marker now ping pong ideas back and forth and keep in contact and then i just went up Or days ago and finished the vocals for all the vocals dying. So everything's done for the new record so it's basically getting everything else paid off and Using the getting the masters and then going from there. Cool so about yeah. I'm excited to hear. What mark rosen. And sean o'keefe have What what kind of impact they've had on you guys. As far as you know the music of sonograms is a big part of that. We don't know if you've heard of that place it's paso and yet i you. Five hundred acre p. Con farm appea- con farm. There is see that part. I did not know so. Did you get dose of twenty five and we got marcotte. Some 'cause so they they're like alan tony. The owner got hooked him up with a with a bag before he laughed. But i mean the it's the largest residential studio in the world. It's like i think twenty five acres just the studio itself and there's like multiple there. They were building one nicole big blue while we were there and it's a huge drum room at probably done now but man it is if you look in for a good place to get away and thing is is that like they're just so welcoming in like they have people that help you with anything that you need. There's a full through staff that cooked food you know it's like you could really focus on the music. Didn't have to take breaks and worry about drink runs or going to the store. You know everything was there and your kind of secluded away from society to really focus on the music. So i really think that's gonna show through the new music as well as having sean maher while we're doing a bark in kind of like brainstorming with all of us were all these chicago midwestern pop punk minds just kind of collaborating together trying to make something unique in cool. Yes yes so now. Everything is all right wasn't recorded. there was it. I was slowing over before before handed out. It's now local guy. Taylor han You know in denver. Any any band of any level is looking for some recordings in denver. Definitely recommend that guy okay. I just wasn't. That was one thing. I wasn't sure if that was a little taste of of what's to come obvious because sean did make do the mixing polka but it's also like twenty. I dunno everyone in. I even saw in the beginning. I thought we bring mark rosen to make a really good pop punk record. But we really brought mark rosen to make a really good pot record slipped punk influences. I thought mark was gonna like really nail on the head with like fast bills fast drums. In like high energy we ended up. Blake scaling back and he has a ton of pop like eighties influence in. That really got pulled out from us so we don't feel like we're just making pop punk record like a ton of dynamic to it that would be cool thing for me is is discovering that in him and in us because i feel like it would've been really easy for us to kinda just go in and do something like not the sound rubai cookie cutter and just put it out and then it went like show field and confront right. Yeah that it's it's nice that you are getting away from the cookie cutter sound and hopefully finding your own unique blend of of the genre. We're willing to sacrifice like short term gain for you know like a more of a longterm fan base if they like. What blueprint record. Sounds like you know it's real easy to just put out. Something we know will appease a certain people but we wanted to take a risk with us. Because i mean we really at this point with covid and everything. We don't feel like we have anything to lose. I mean what he had to lose. All you have time to make amazing music. I mean that's that's that's the main goal. I mean part of part of the you know you want to enjoy playing music as much as you do. Listen to it you know. Want you gotta get the listeners. I want i want people to come to our shows earlier here on music and dance and have fun and you know a party get down you know like have a good time and you know and i think that these new new songs are upset a little bit differently than the first one did so i'm really looking forward to hearing it so now is it a full length out just five songs. It's an ep okay. I wasn't sure. I have a bonus track on it or something. Maybe i don't really know that okay. Cool so now that you guys have experienced your first tour. I mean every i tour especially has its great stories so i gotta here at least one story that you're able to tell you can tell as many as you want but i'm just saying at least one i gotta hear anything like an appropriate or anything any any story around his the first the first tour is always like you know those are the the ones with the most crazy craziness usually anywhere in new york. Russell brand's favorite bar and everything was kind of a blur. After that we city they wanted nine dollars for a well. Whisking coke so i know a bunch of drink tickets to ryan rookie good stories. Yeah no see okay. Mine has got to be saint louis so long packing up the trailer outside out and i'm changing because i'll miles closer just drenched Trying to change some clean clothes of doing this out on the street behind the trailer. And there's this lady outside Yelling at people passing by messing for change in. If they say no she'd slip out on probably a drug but he's out there. You know really really short shorts and a tank top. It was like flash people and as i'm getting dressed behind the trailer. Tyler do compare commuter and like what hold on by pull my pants up and he grabs me and hold me over so i can see in this lady has her pants down and she is peeing like a stream like pull their pants down just start. Pin in street. And i'm just like wait. What late so that was kinda funny. And she just said dude. Saint louis was a. We've probably venue. Just it was like a tuesday or wednesday. It was like a weird day of the week or something people came out but that was the highlight for like the first half of the tour for for me. 'cause they will yours Unseen that in person like you see on your on your phone and videos and stuff but you see a human being doing that in and everyone just do what. Everyone just freak outs. That i'll give it. It is so funny. But that's gotta be mine. Okay one of them too. If people if you. I'm looking at the name right now. Illy was crazy philly with so much line that i was looking for. You brought up. We were talking a tourist stories. I was trying to bring up the picture from the one and only time i was in denver and there was a homeless guy and i can't i don't know it somewhere on my phone but i can't seem to find the right now. This is a homeless guy holding up a cardboard sign at said something along the lines of need money for hooker. Something like and normal it was it was right out. I'm trying to remember the name of the venue. It was in summit. Say mark did you say marquee. Marquee theater marquee sponsor homeless people down there. Yeah oh my god dude. It was my ex. Virtually i mean myself and the band that i was working for. We're literally. We got to the venue early that day. So we're just standing. We were parked in that parking lot. That's right next to the theater. Yeah right on the side. They're right next to the field. You were just talking about and literally just in the short span of time. We were sitting there like. I feel like more homeless. People came up to me than i ever experienced going to chicago. And it's worse there. Yeah i just twenty when you're on jews not to crack a joke because obviously homeland security. But when you're on or they probably have more money than you i have no. I don't have anything to give you. Yeah we're trying to get. Josh was like bro. i don't have any money to to chicken sandwiches. Something heavy money right now. You're easing chicken sandwich. Words that we. I'm like doing math on my phone on gas. Mileage how are how are we get in the next city and then eventually were like bucket this getting a van if it dies on the way who cares and sometimes the happens but it sounds. I think you guys lucked out right. The van de van ended up doing good. It has like two hundred and seventy thousand miles. Oh benja i don't know. If he is a gamer. As followers on online talk he came to the show in chicago because he's a fan of rookie of the year orion stuff so he came there and that was kind of like because i didn't really know who the guy was that much it's like. Oh my god. I'm just like you guys talk to became watch star set off. Do you know who he is. Yeah it was great. It was that was of cool. Highlight i got to meet jesse lee. She's like a really famous form star to meet her in buffalo castle. That was really cool. I knew ninja history. Yo you my browsing history. Probably gotten that just like oh. I know everything about you. Injure was actually a cool guy. Like us during. Our brother was playing in a band playing with us that night. I thought it was when i first heard about it. i was like wasn't bombed. I was stoked. But i was cool. He ended up being super cool. You stayed the entire night. Until the last band play he gave every- band cash and like wooden take merge for it just wanted to be band cash like him to every it was cool. He's like extremely famous those cooled. he's just shot. Like a big tv commercial days before and was talking about it and then he's like drinking coors light with us bus invaders. The guy laroche has with him in chicago. That's up on his page as well. Oh if anybody wants to go check out. That's pretty cool. It kind of gives you a little inside. Look at what we were three and a half weeks. He's been doing that for a long time. what's his. What's his name is john's she was in. Your eyes runs a tight ship. He's good at what he does. Well he's got like. If i remember correctly i saw one of his episodes. It was on like the. I was on youtube and it was like on the side. You know where they have like suggested videos and one of the one of his episodes and it was like episode one thousand five hundred in that stuff since like worked. Like danzon warped tour and stuff. I think he's been doing it since like the my space days. If i remember correctly guarding up for a long time and then you gear talk. And i mean i think that. I think the dude was three in a day if you build a brand. That's all news pretty cool because we're not you know even our not a big band at all and he approached us that's awesome. He reached out to us. Would you know it's funny. Did us city under siege on the same tour so that could be a whole other topic the ban. If you haven't up the band city under siege please do that. Those guys. those boys are awesome. I think they're mainly from texas in buffalo but dude shots on my boy my boy vents. John and cameron dude yet do they had a cardboard but it's in their bus invaders upset to they had a cardboard box. Full of an array of liquors in their van are open. God dude you busy drinking inside and there'd be like two bands until the other night and like dude. Let's go get a. Let's go do shot. I'm like all right do japan. Let's go to the van. Play the whole vodka dude. I could do that. They had this thing in the band where whoever woke up. I trump to tallboy have to drive for the day so the last person to get up and get drunk. Who had to be the responsible on tape. Mainly like cameron and john. Vincent vincent dr ones the whole tour because he just as he was during never affected these guys on stage. every night. they acted their fan. There was never any controversy or nothing. Weird it just had been doing this the long day in ought to do i. I drink pretty days in a row. Onto our analyst like the fourth day i was a nightmare Yeah i. I never drank much when i was on tour either. I mean i remember drinking but not not crazy crazily. Thank you told seven in the morning in new york in the back of ours man. We had a bed and our orbital player hit a pothole so big that my body lifted off the ground and i slammed back onto the i can just remember like like breeding real slowly like trying to not throw up everywhere where we're trying to sleep for another week in atlantic city. Yeah my face stuff. I remember getting to atlantic city walking right to the beach and this laying. They're like oh my goodness and then we are down so we started drinking again and man. Atlantic city was cool. Take away and got some really bombs. Those guy tried alligator for the first time. What does what does that taste like. It was it was sausage. It was a poboy so it's like lettuce on like a bread was stuffed like sausage links and then they cut it into little pieces and roasted it and they've put it in the sandwich and econo- tastes kinda like donald jambalaya like a spiced kind of sausage nfl but it was It was actually pretty good. It was it wasn't per se greasy with a little bit. I think there was a little bit more fat in there like into tasted good. I cannot imagine bore bore. Ac or yeah. I can't imagine alligator being lean meat. You know they got a lot of fat on him. It was really good though. I don't know if i would ever try alligator but if you do bass pro. They have passed the back of the smell geared today. Eight to the bass pro got myself. Some gator. plano should coworkers latte incurred grapefruit vodka. Got molson and like What's it called. It's a slew or whatever the blue it's Sell down here. But they have been in michigan and detroit in ulan. You had that philly which is a great beer too so that was kind of an upside. We got to have a lot of eastern like domestic beers that we can't get here That's some of these venues that we went to had some decent food definitely nothing other pizza beer every night but a lot of places that kind of ties into like what i was thinking too as you were saying that a lot of places were really nice to tour and can be really tough a lot of these venues feeding us given us beer and like people. We met like people that own moon. Joe moon joe in raleigh north carolina clothing company like the owner. He just she just came up to us and gave money never met us. I don't even know if she saw are set but she's like this has to be hard. I wouldn't do it. here's cash. And then she van motta's more cash. Wow crazy throughout like this in michigan just saw at a coffee shop and gave us books straight talk always at the perfect time We're like oh my god. I barely knew. What are we going to do. And we go to like poop in this coffee shop and this lady. That's how we're getting ohio. That's what i call you. Know what that poop was at worth at least two hundred dollars man. You got ripped off we. We had some emergency funds and case things went crazy crazy which we at a dip into you. That being said though is just we expected to make more money and like it's a lesson learned. We're glad we did the tour but we definitely came out of the negative. You know what i'm saying. So that's a lesson. Learned something that we you know is a good experience for us. I think we had like I think we had somewhat unrealistic expectations whether it was like our own doing. Or how explain to us but you know we thought we had never toured before we are understanding of. It wasn't what it is so like a weekend. Finally we talked abandoned. We're like all right. We got to change approach. Like waiting for people to come to the table bringing emerge to them. We're going to go hustle. We're going go do whatever we have to do to make sure it works. Each person had its own role in Kinda like i don't wanna say i don't know what the good word is to say but like we are just like we're we're going to get through this somehow or another because there was definitely i mean it'd be real. There is definitely times. Where even iowa's like we got fucking turn this thing around and go home as eli argued about it for a couple hours and finally were like. Now we're not fucking this way. Remember being in syracuse. I've never been in syracuse new york in googling how long it took to get denver and it's one day and six hours and hours a day and a half drive. Maybe more away from home freaked out. I mean the first time whoever went out we went out for three weeks. We were freaked out and like a week through is good the second super hard and then like the last week it was a black almost looking back at it. Now i just got to narrow and head. I definitely got in my own head over thinking like check. Engine light came on one day. And i was like this. Is it man like this. That happens to me on my first tour as well and we weren't even we weren't even that far into the tour like we were just starting. We're starting the tour and check. Engine light went on so and ended up being later on when we finished our tour and got home and i gotta check out turns out. It was just the gas cap needed to be replaced. The rents van And i'm like hey man all these airs coming up and he was like i don't care as long as it makes it. I'm happy he fucking doesn't care. Why do i care. Just keep going like blown away. I remember riding up to new york city. I'm so glad i didn't go home. So cool yes. New york is going to new york for the first time. There's nothing like it. Yeah that was an art for new york city at remember looking out the windows of kids like we are seeing a roller coaster. Like looking like how the fuck is this. Real mixture. cargo looks small. It's it really. Does i remember the first time i flew. I've first time. I went to new york. City flew in and seeing the just the layout of the city is just like you realize this city is like you take like five. Chicago's yeah and put it all in there. You know your brother. I was like. How'd you get here. He's i took this train that this buzz. I'm glad you do. I'd love this shit manhattan at three pm. We won't drive cars here. Yeah yeah let alone a van with trailer behind it. i. I actually wasn't too bad. We found like a parking space on the corner of the block that we could just pull up to. We didn't have. We got pretty lucky story in new york that we had keaton guitars at the time in the van because we wanna go hang out does cousins because she lives in new york and we say to her house and he's like well it's cool. I'll stay here in the van because he to get stolen so one person stayed behind in. He was twenty at the time so he couldn't drink so so he stayed back in you as and we we. We got back to his cousin's place literally laid down for an hour and a half maybe an hour and then when we got our l'armee got often. Why look. I opened my eyes. Tyler was across from me in urge. Taylor was omar light The i don't want to do this but we had to be back. Certain time or else they come through and give you tickets because he had to be out of harvey's face by seven o'clock wake up go there and keaton's what's up guys and he has a piece of like he ate whole large extra large pizza. Telling you like shit you to pieces lesson that thing also himself while he's chilling the band last night the night before and we're out drinking go onto the bar. Guitar rookie knows the bar owner there. There's a a serving tray of twentysomethings shots akilah like sitting there and she starts passing amounts everybody in the bar at a tour with people that have toured a bunch vice. Help people got people. You're like one degree of separation from those who wanna show up and it was such a normal thing is like yeah. My friend owns a bar. We're going to drink there until whenever the fuck we can not drink anymore. Yeah yeah there's definitely some some advantages there. When you're touring with people have been doing it for a long time. So that's that's for sure. Well this has been fun guys. I've really enjoyed hearing all these days. I know we. I mean a tour stories could go on forever. Just that's just goes you know so so there. There's no set release date yet for for the the you're still working on getting like still working on mixes and stuff. I mean we're thinking first. Single late january early february. But we're still you know on this one. We're trying to do it correct. I dunno as time means by like we're trying to lineups like some sort of pr and working with management on release ideas photos and videos and we kinda want like our. Our first goal is december in our manager. Had a good point like look we want some of this in the world because in the grand scheme of things like releasing music us is super important. Like there's so much crazy shit going on. We want some of that too hopefully pass. There's like some peace in calamity in the world but we want some of the past so then then people can. We can feel like we can get some attention because right now. There's this so much focused on the focus on the vaccine or the virus or the you know the presidential election and it's just thinking after everything calms down a new york new year a little bit you know. They'll be a little bit more of a wider door or wider through. Possibly get more is on ninety to be in a peace of mind where like they can sit and listen and enjoy it. And i have a lot of friends have told me during all this craziness like listening to music. Has the press them now. So they could. We want to put it out. You know when hopefully early next year so that people can like sigh of relief in like feel like things are getting back to somewhat when people say oh i want things to be normal getting pissed. Some people off but really. That's what i want is the feel normal again in nyc play shows and be able to link promote music can promote without someone like jumping on our throat in tana surreal responsible. That's not we're not irresponsible. We just want to like it sucks. We had such good plans going into this year. Like everything was killed within a week. Do you and everyone else in part of that. Organically meaning people like getting that energy and networking. And it's just you know. Unlike touring like you said. It's just like the beautiful thing about. It is just the interaction with other human beings. And that's what makes experiences in shows in music so special and unique to certain people because it hits differently for different people but it's hard hit them differently if they're all they're getting you know is is it on their their phone not seeing it in there not experiencing the music. They're just listening to it. You know what i'm saying. That's an easy way of putting. And i can't wait for people like people are gonna press. It's like now as our as our time to show what we're made of you know it's it's this is our time to get all of our ducks in a row and when everything starts to come back you know we need to prove to. The world us has abandoned us as a world. You know everybody that this is not we can get through this and that's what music Supposed to be about verse listed your hard times and make a good time seeing better the bad times not seen as as you know. It's just that's what we're trying to capture a re trying to take people and put them in a little bit of our world going through personally and kind of everything's alright is a big bento till like me and kind of taking a step back from reality and realizing the things aren't that bad like to be thankful unfortunate and happy for the life that you have and this because this virus in the president this he said she said tiktok all this stuff kind of kinda Gonna goes away a little bit. You kind of get to the really important stuff. So that's what i'm excited. I trump and tiktok using that and like this whole controversial bullcrap people get so lost in the wrong thing you know and they in they lose sight of what's actually about you know and that's just mainstream media people you know this. I can't wait for things to resume people shows. Even if you have to like get tested go see a show or something or if you have to pass. There's ways to do it. We can live together security a field day. Oh her patchy down. I'm gonna swab you. It's gonna be it's going to be nuts but they'll they'll be a way to to make it all work and make it all happen. Everything's alright man. Yeah exactly everything. Everything is all right. It'll it'll some come out tomorrow. I guess yeah no no no. I was just going to say Anything else you guys want to put out there for now officially moved to chicago. I mean we're officially. Welcome back man announcement of that. I guess so cool. We're stuck to be honest wild neutral. I think it's awesome. The people in the music scene asked me like have you heard of pop. Punk in pizza podcast. I'm like dude. I know date. There's people that are like. There's no way you know jacob like i've been in his mom's house and it was crazy doing this full circle but then like now. This sounds like funnier weird. But like i got emotional senior brother in new york too because You guys are like the reason. I started playing music going to each earns josh in roller bakery. Day like going to carol the canned goods when it was a night downtown and like me and my mom become get me and like i remember like car from hidden colborn yes like oh i just watch jake josh. Do this. I want to figure out how to do this. And then we started playing music. So we'll thanks man that mcwilliams. That's like the first person like legit. Though he started working with in got allies. John a little bit back in those days going on. Who gave us like the mets basement. Well i'm it's it's an honor man it. It's it truly means a lot. I'm very very flattered by your words so so thank you. Thank you so much for that. I'm i'm i'm happy. I'm happy to be included in your guys as story. That's you know. Like i said it's it's an honor. They'll be man. Yeah yeah of course. It's honestly something i've been wanting to do for a long time. There's there's so many like friends like you guys. That i have yet to catch up with from the old the old seen that i grew up in and i i need to sign some way to to start including some of those a little more regularly. Because you know there's people. I would just love to catch up with like you guys that i haven't talked to or i haven't seen in five eight ten years whatever. It is so excuse to do so exactly it. Is it really is so. I'm glad we could finally do this. And hopefully the next time Maybe it'll be in person. But if not i mean you guys are you guys are welcome to come back when you know you've got the new music krankl. Yeah i'll show you for sure Skunk thank you so much for having us man. I'm really happy to see that you're doing well and congrats on the kid again. And the sam. I'm really happy for you. Guys to man. I hear you in the morning do you. I'm drinking my coffee. Turn on fucking blair feel miserable for a cup of coffee and listen halsey. Thanks man thank you. That means a lot. all right. you have a great night. See above you too bye. Always great catching up with old friends. Isn't it. It's something i really really need to do more often than whether it's on the podcast or not so. Thank you josh tyler. And taylor a blueprint for being on the podcast today. I wish all of you. Merry christmas and a happy new year and of course as well as to you for listening thank you. I hope you enjoyed it just as much as i did. be sure to follow blueprints on facebook and instagram. At blueprint dot band. And just so you know. There's no e. at the end of blue when you're typing that out and while you're at it followed the podcast at pop punk pizza pod facebook twitter and instagram. I also just found out where officially on pandora if you're a pandora listener. I know some people still listen to pandora. I'm not one of them. I'm a spotify or myself but you know pandora's still a guy that got a market so if you listen to music and podcasts there look for pop punk pizza there now Other than that you can pretty much find the podcast anywhere. Please subscribe and ended up nice review. If you could now the mothership of everything though is all that pop punk pizza pod dot com the merge store stores there you can sign up for our mailing list. Find out how you can sponsor submit your band to be on the podcast or get your music. Played on the podcast. It's all at pop punk pizza pie. Dot com you can also email me directly if you wish and banger. Racing radio edgy. Mail dot com. I'm shock l'amour. Thank you again for being here today on pop punk and pizza and i'm really excited about our next skit together. This thursday christmas eve. Mary pop punk miss. Twenty twenty you me and twenty of the best christmas songs from artists in your scene. It's going to be great. I'll talk to you then. Aloe was is palo.

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