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Week 5 Waiver Wire
And. Go to the NFL talking heads, fantasy football podcast, show here your hosts, Jeff carrier, and Seth wall. Hello, everyone and welcome to the NFL talking heads of fantasy football podcast. Show back for another episode to talk about waiver wire pickup heading into week five. I'm your host shift carrier. My co-host here is Seth lull back for another great episode and the NFL is off to a blazing start set. It is Ben high scoring all over the place teams in quarterback, specifically, setting records what? What do you make of kind of all his prolific high scoring and in some of it is really trickled down to the receivers. I don't think I've seen this many double digit catch wide receivers. It almost seems like an season and it's only been four weeks in in some some receivers with the multiple double digit catch games as well. Yeah, in the quarterback play has been ridiculous this year. There's so many good core Bax that scoring like I remember in recent years, go back and look, but I can't imagine I can't remember and Ozzy scoring his, you know, varies from league league, but usually this, you know, a handful of games where quarterbacks have forty plus fantasy points. Now it's like an in every week occurrence where there's multiple quarterbacks every single week getting over fantasy forty fantasy points. Which is just ridiculous and, and I'm in, you know, the defenses. There's no good defenses in the NFL. It seems like it just, you know, there's maybe two or three that are are startle on a weekly basis and fantasy and the rest. It's like the, there's no point in even starting defense. They can get you negatives or get zero points, but the football has been. It's been fun to watch starting with the Rams Vikings game on Thursday night, kind of kick off the week. That was probably one of the best most entertaining games I've seen in a long time. Yeah. I mean, it has been fun for the most part drives are being extended because a lot of the roughing, the passer penalties among other penalties or just the nature of obviously the the types of ruled been put in place to protect the offense, and the quarterback rules are being drives, are being extended. Teams are tying up. Games towards the end. We had several overtime games again, this weekend. This, Ben's just some prolific scoring and already a multiple fifty point. Quarterbacks scoring, especially if you specifically to six point for passing touchdown league, and then to your point was asking you, we play in a couple of leagues that we try and make every position important. You know, we, we don't wanna start one quarterback. Let's start to make the position important and same with defenses. We have some pretty aggressive scoring on defenses and man. It is hard to find a legitimate defensive star week in week out with these offenses scoring on nearly everyone. Yep. As frustrating. I've been burned by despite every single defense. I've started every week this year. The jets got me negative five. So that was always, that's always fun. This in terms of players, Seth, there's a lot of players that we quote unquote, hang our hat on before the season starts, we did our draft, special players, target players to avoid, but none. None too. Was more prevalent than the two players from the Rams that we hyped up so much that I think could have made or break our season in terms of predictions. And that was Bobby woods and Cooper Cup and man that has been fun to see them out there and come to fruition and knowing that we didn't let people down. So that's been exciting to see that really. Playout I guess the way that we thought it would and is most certainly not always the case. Yeah, the Rams offense is absolutely ridiculous. This year you can start brand cooks, Robert woods, Cooper cop, they're all must start every single week even if you own all three stardom all they produced every single week in the floor is is pretty high for each of them. They're all getting double digits even on off off weeks. So, you know, these are two players that you got, you know, people were able to get after the six round, so able to get to borderline stud receivers after the six round that just that's how you win championships, we're able to get that type of value in the middle to late rounds of the draft. All right. Now we're just gonna kinda jump right into this and go into the waiver wires. Segment of the episode before we do that. Let's go ahead and thank our sponsor my bookie. That's right. Ever since we started the podcast, people always ask us, you know, four betting advice, where should they start placing their bets who has the best website out there. And that is my bookie. They've been in business for years. 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All right. Now let's kick off our week five or pick ups for a week five on the waiver wire. And let's start at the running back position. I really only have one this week from the running back position, but it's not him Hines in Indianapolis. One of the more crowded backfield's when everyone's healthy, Marla, MAC missed week, four game against Houston in him. Heinz had his, you know, I guess, breakout game. You could say, nine catches sixty three yards. Two touchdowns. He's on pace for eighty. Eight catches this year. Jordan Wilkins hasn't done anything all year. Marla. MAC can't get on the field and they're playing New England on Thursday night, New England, one of the slower defenses. You know, they struggle a lot of times with these shiftier backs out of the backfield and New England game is probably be high scoring in the Annapolis might be down in. In any case, I like him Heinz this week. You know it was specially with the the by weeks in full force. Nahim Hines is worth a grab. He is owned and only fifteen percent of ESPN league. So he's available. And I like his upside PR leaks. It was. It was really weird to to see an hourly exactly what the breakdown in terms of how many Russia's Indianapolis had here going to try and pull up an in a second. They just weren't really rushing the ball at all sixty two pass attempts for Andrew lock in every time you look over your like, are they running the ball at all? Join Wilkins had the most carries at eight carries. They are just an imbalance team kind of like Tampa Bay the first few weeks even when they were doing well or ahead, they still just could not run in. That kind of seems like we're, we're the Indianapolis Colts are right now. As long as he keeps getting involved. Andrew luck has that history of throwing a lot of touchdown passes to the backs. We remember when Frank or was there especially NPR leagues. This is one of those great. Not great, but you know comfortable Rb two people, you can throw in there so that we don't have to sacrifice and give up a good starting wide receiver in the year. Yeah, I guess there's an for an honorable mention, Nick. Chubb is somebody as well. That is worth a look. He's only fifteen percent of leagues. He's coming off. You know, he's another running back this week. They had a breakout game. The rookie at three carries for one hundred and five yards. Two touchdowns basically to really long runs, kind of fluky didn't catch a pass. He's not getting the goal line touches, that's all Carl's hide. So if you can afford to take a flyer on a player, if your bench is big enough for you have a couple of players where you're just, you know, it's like a revolving door. You're dropping them each week and brand new players. You can find space on your bench for Nick job. A definitely pick him up is just it's hard to imagine him really getting increase in touches, at least in the short term with Carl's hide healthy and then do Johnson still, you know, getting most of the work in the passing game, but only owned in fifteen percent leagues. He's a rookie clearly has some upside. If you're thinking, you know more long-term, Nick job is. And other player, I guess you could. You could definitely pick up stash your bench. Yeah, he's probably gonna fit that category of you. Don't wanna drop anyone who's kind of guaranteed. Guaranteed touches or a decent ten point plus per week, flex player wide receiver. But if you've got like the Alfred Morris on your team come just sitting there soaking up. Rosser spot make probably is worth picking up over someone like an Alfred Moore's selling has got a little bit more upside. I wouldn't drop him. I wouldn't pick him up and drop someone who is kind of like a decent by weak filler just because who knows how long it wait with Nick job. If even kind of really earns a big roller non as you mentioned, he had a couple of long runs, but but if you're deep league and you've got someone like alpha Moore's really can't start for you and doesn't really have any upside. He's probably someone replace for Nick job. Agreed. Absolutely. So Nick job. Hema Hines, two running backs that are available in majority of ESPN leagues. Go grab them. If you are able to shifting to the wide receiver position, let's start with somebody like adidi Westbrook owned in twelve percent leagues coming off a pre big game. Nine catches one hundred and thirty arts. So twenty four fantasy points against the the lowly jets is is got a really good matchup week five in Kansas City. So can Blake Bortles have another big game and it looks like Dede Westbrook is really shaping up to be the guy in Jacksonville, what are your thoughts on d. Westbrook. Never thought I would like say it never mind even think it, you know, would kind of being Canada Goto. Blake, Bortles having one of those years. I mean, play portal's. It was a couple years ago that he just had a very good year and I know he didn't play bad last year either, but. Jackson receivers are wants to definitely consider owning Kim Coles, not really getting a ton of action. So you know this, this nine catches a little bit anomaly. Healy had three, four and five. The previous weeks, I wouldn't get overly excited about it, but I'd say he's in a similar category as Nick job. Like I don't aren't really be starting Jackson wide receivers, weakened weak out. However, if I've got someone like Alfred Morris who's kind of just there, so can up a roster spot doesn't really have amp side. I would go with DD who's got a little bit more upside. Yep. In before we get into couple of these other wide receivers that are definitely more more realistic in terms of your chances of getting them Muhammed's news a player that Ray like owning forty nine percent league. So it's, you know, a complete crap whether or not he's available in your league, but he's available in a couple of our leagues. I just picked him up this last week on waivers and one of our leagues, and he's still available in another one of our leagues. And he's he's a guy who had a really, really solid season last year and he's strong together backed back, really decent games. Six catches for hundred eleven yards against Cincinnati. Cincinnati is one of the, you know, a bother a bottom five team against the pass and the NFL, but I loved couples match-ups coming up for Muhammed's new at Pittsburgh and at home against Tampa in week six. These are two of the of the worst three teams in the NFL against the pass. Everybody throws on Pittsburgh. Everybody throws on Tampa and Calverley getting a lot of attention rightfully so with all the touchdowns, he's kind of touchdown guy in Atlanta now in Ozzy Julio Jones, but Mahama's news, you know, don't sleep on Muhammad's to now back to back games with fifteen or more fantasy points. And obviously, if any happens to mentally or Julio we talked about our combo strategy with regard to why receivers and running backs moms to news a guy that stocked only going to go up and you can start him even wind. Calvin Ridley in Julio on the field with with the way this Atlanta offense has been firing all cylinders here. Yeah, twenty eighteen offenses. And in particular, the Atlanta Falcons at the top of that list, we, you just talked about starting three Rams receivers, no reason why you can't start to or God forbid three and land receivers when love the idea of all three. But I mean, if you had to, you know they're scoring points. We had another five. Wow. Receivers this week have double digit receptions, so. Muhammad's new. I believe I read it was in the forty seven fifty, four percent range of forgets those two numbers of kinda sticking out to me that Calvin Ridley was on the field for on week four. So Kevin Ridley right now is still he's still getting out snap by Muhammed new as prizing that might be because of how productive is specifically during in the red zone, but HAMAs news still on the field, losing a lot of snap share to Calvin Ridley. He's definitely someone specially with how that offense is playing. As you mentioned in cases, any injuries he needs to be had on a team. Agreed and another player Taylor Gabriel. Now, this is a player Chicago's on by week five. So it's gonna be easier to get those players. Obviously, because people when they go on waiver wire through their pickups, they won't players that can help them out this week. They're not usually looking stash player like a tear Gabriel. So the I guess, Gaber would kind of fit into the cat. Nick job category, d Westbrook category because consistency is going to be is going to be the issue with her Gabriel until you seem string together a couple of these games. But he had ten targets in week three and followed up with seven targets. When we four call seven, two touchdowns a monster game did play Tampa. So you know, every everybody does that against Tampa, but hair Gabriel's only six percent of leagues and Chicago's, you know, this is final. It looks like finally, you might be right about Chicago. You've been, you've been talking them up for the past two to three years, and you know you're, you're just gonna. Keep talking Chicago every single year until they hit and other looking really good mischievous Kathy monster game on Sunday. So again, if you have a roster spot to burn, you have a bench spot. Available. He could take a flyer Ontario Gabriel, especially in deeper leagues and just see what happens. You know, we had those those those spurts last year with Atlanta, and if Chicago's offense continues to evolve. And is as close to his high powered as it was on Sunday to Gabriel, somebody that definitely warned consideration. I think I think you have your facts and figures incorrect. Hear me hyping up Chicago for the last three years until this year they had John FOX. So I think I was a non proponent of John FOX for quite some time. I think I think everyone on this podcast is listened to me complain about John FOX and his offense and strategy. We would attest to now maybe the last couple years of hyped up Tampa Bay for a little bit. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. I think or maybe there's a lot of Chicago players you've been. You're the camera merit as the world campus last year? Yeah. Yeah. So it's well planned playing a little bit of revisionist history right here saying that you weren't. You weren't on the bears bandwagon the past three years, but for what it's worth you are, it looks like you are on the right track this year with the bears, they. They are kind of the sexy pick right now to to potentially win the NFC north and maybe a factor in the postseason. Yeah. And of course they played Tampa Bay who after all the injuries to their secondary, which wasn't great in the first place. But you know, with Chris Conte going out, they start three rookies and secondary just looked biz mold, trae, Burton touchdown, completely wide open. Any quarterback can make that pass. Maybe even me who knows. I love to give them more credit. We'll see they've been. They've been playing well though just in the year that have been playing well, they obviously almost one on the road opening weekend in Green Bay, but Aaron Rodgers floats on air. So he had. Come back victory, their air, modest floats, votes on air according to Chris Collins worth. If you listen to the Sunday night. Walks on water might might be like the saying you're on for on air. No, Chris calls all night. He was saying he floated on one foot. Member, Chris cons worth was talking about big. He cannot get enough of big Ben's pump fakes and he's like, you know, if they, if if they keep playing. Don't Big Ben. This is where the pump aches really come into play up. Here we go, Chris Collins worth obsessing on the pump. Fakes absolutely love thinks he loves it and we're, we're talking earlier and it was before I even looked at the stats in terms of fishery who the worst defense argues the passes here. I'm like, what do you think the worst defenses are? I mean, it has to be Pittsburgh in Tampa right loan. Behold, two of the bottom three New Orleans, of course right there, but Tampa Bay has got to be historically bad against the past. They they have given up fourteen hundred thirty two passing yards through four games. The put in perspective. If you look at Jacksonville, Jacksonville is number two and they've given up six hundred and fifty seven passing yards. So we're talking about an extra two hundred basically an extra two hundred passing yards per game more Tampa's given up in Jacksonville, which is just completely absurd. I mean, it's it really is a joke when you wash Tampa Bay what these teams are doing to them every single week. So Tampa Bay through four week. Is the defense you look at when you're innocent when you're picking up players in the waiver wire? You know it's not always sexy has not always not always a lot of pretty faces. There you go. Sometimes you gotta. You gotta grab some some sketchy players and mess where Misra matchups come into play. If they're playing Tampa Bay. These sketchy looking players on the waiver wire become pretty attractive pretty quick. Yeah, let me get back to your Taylor Gabriel because we got a little off track there, but this is never, no, never. But I think one of the key takeaways that we have to take away with this game. Two one is that they played Tampa Bay. Okay. We've covered that. The second is that Anthony Miller was out with a separated shoulder. Now. It's not that Anthony Miller was, you know, a high volume target share percentage kind of guy, but the did utilize him and it probably used him in some of the similar rows. Attila Gabriel ran so they don't really have a number two target there. I guess Torri Cohen. And Alan Robinson is kind of like the one two and even even trae Burton this past week and only two catches. So in terms of receiving threats, that's more down the field. Tila was calendar defacto number two behind Allen Robinson. Yeah. So I think he's probably a decent start as long as Anthony. Miller is still outside. Keep an eye on that definitely worth owning though, for sure. Let's go to our next player. An extra see here is Albert Wilson. The former Kansas City chief receiver having quietly solid year for Miami, and he's got a great matchup week, five against the Cincinnati Bengals who have given up sixty seven points over the past two weeks. They are other bottom five defense against the pass. So I like Albert Wilson this week, you know, if you hear if you own some of the Tampa Bay or Chicago receivers, and they're on buying you, you're in need of a receiver. Albert Wilson, somebody that's worth taking a look at his hovering around double digits every single week. So what are your thoughts on over Wilson is owned in eight, eight percent leagues. Yeah, tell you. It doesn't sound sexy, but I guess he kind of fits some of these other categories that we've taught about with the DVD's. You know, having a pretty decent, you know, season so far, not something you can totally rely on nuts on that you want in your lineup upcoming, say week, five. But again, if you're if you're been holding onto that player or two that just hasn't been performing for, you know, when you're just you've been kind of reluctant to drop someone. Go ahead, go heading out there and just start picking up. People were actually performing at this point because names don't matter anymore. You know, we're, we're, we gotta start focusing on production. Exactly and I love. I love the matchup his his floor is right around seven to nine points like that's that's the worst case scenario. Proba Wilson. Great. Matchup. I think Miami's going to bounce back and have a nice nice day in Cincinnati. Taiwan Taylor is another receiver. This is someone that you brought up. You're pumping him and Schirn up. I mean, guts, hit my hat to you had a pretty solid game. Seven catches seventy seven yards. You know, with no regard Matthews, not the Matthews was really a factor. Anyways. Tennessee's offense has been pretty disappointing as a whole, but they're starting to get it together a little bit. Mariota had a nice nice game against Philadelphia. We five, they play in buffalo Buffalo's. One of those teams, their offense is is horrid, but their defense has been somewhat solve this year. Know we want aside that Bockel of game in Baltimore. I don't know if I love the matchup. Good as it sounds looks like at first glance, but Taiwan Taylor is another player only own in about four percent leagues and he has some upside. I already know you think of him, but what are your thoughts on Taiwan Taylor. He was, you know, I'll go back here. Just a height them up a little bit in the draft process did not come to fruition. I had to drop them wasn't getting it wasn't getting on the field. You know, sometimes we have to look at. You can like a player. We, here's a lot of times when you listen to, you know, sports analysts or other podcasts they like what they see. But this players not getting enough attention or the ball target share, snap, share percentage. That's what happened with Taylor begin the year. He was definitely drop -able. He's going against Jacksonville as well. So he's climbed from like a Levin, seventeen percents. Now, share percentage all the way up now is getting nine, nine targets. Last game. Seven catches last week was little bit of risky call being only three percent own. He was basically free to get last week depending on your league. He's only had he's had to double digit games in to complete bus game. So he's probably going to be expensive, but he won't be free this week, but he's definitely the second best receiver, I think in Tennessee, not including John Lewis. If you wanna put him or Jean-Louis number two behind core. Davis tight has not really making a big impact. Touch sharp is who he is. The running game is not very good, so it, you know. So he should still keep seeing a good large amount of targets per week. Yeah. I mean, second best receiver on Tennessee isn't isn't the greatest superlative the give out, but it's something it's something where it's late on Monday night. You know, we're, we're doing the best we can right now. You know, we're, we're trying to find players that are obviously low low ownership percentage for all of us that are in deep leagues. Seth, you and I are in, you know, several tall team leagues that are some kind be very difficult to find certain players in Taiwan Taylor's are unfortunately the cream of the crop on the waiver wire grin crop. Exactly. So he doesn't necessarily float on air, but hey, he's where he's worth a up. Low ownership percentage got upside second-best player in Tennessee. Let's see. When you say it does sound really bad. I can hear it now tight ends. You know, I really hate the position. I join Rian most. Most of my, he's on by so who I do, I pick up. We'll Disley from Seattle expecting anything in return, plug them in my lineup, and I'm like, what is will this lead doing? Oh, nothing carted off with an injury. Great. I just it's brutal. These tight ends on the waiver wire. It's just like it's like playing Russian roulette. I bans McDonalds, a guy that I would I I was watching the in Pittsburgh, obviously got a lot of hype from that that play where he just threw Chris Kanzi to the ground, basically ended his career a week ago on football, and then he fought with a pretty pretty good game. Jesse. James is like, invisible. He I don't see Jesse James anymore. Vance McDonald looks like actually looks pretty good. So he's available back back back games now, double digits. Owned and thirty one percent leagues, which is actually pretty high from a little higher than what is expecting. But I like Vance McDonald, if you are in the tight end streaming position that a lot of us are in this time of year. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing to say then if you're in one of those scenarios gonna go with who's getting some production Vance if he's available and you're starting the will of the world, make a move, make a move baby. My streaming defense in this just is just it's really unfortunate position to be in another streaming position. Most people are in the streaming defensive defense position because let's face it. There's not too many good defenses. So my streaming defense this year this week is. The Tennessee titans playing in buffalo Buffalo's offense has been pretty abysmal outside of that one week against Minnesota, when Josh Allen looked like the greatest thing since lice bread, and then he comes crashing back down to earth. So I like Tennessee's events. Tennessee's defense to this point is looking like a top defense in the NFL. They got a good matchup. I'm streaming Tennessee. If you're like me, you have a defense. They consistently get you every single week. Impressive. Impressive. Decent, decent defensive streams that set set it. So now I'm concerned. Yeah, so so this basically like you can't pick them up now. So to take that with take that with a grain of salt, I forget one receiver KiKi Cudi or Kutai. Hopefully I'm pronouncing the name right? Houston's rookie receiver. A lot of a lot of his damage came early. Some his damaged came when willful or exited with the injury, but it's hard to discount the day had eleven catches one hundred nine yards against Indy. I don't know. He's a rookie. We know rookies kind of take a while to get going whenever you see that those those type of numbers always kind of it could be a fluke, but it's also worth maybe grabbing him, Levin catches hundred yards, hard to ignore he's available and just about all of leagues he's he's available. And you know, basically nine. Scent of leaks, and we'll fuller somebody who has injury problems every single year since he's been the NFL. So if willful or can't go Houston's one of the more high powered off and says, they're, they're finally getting going. I think he Kuti is worth pickup. Yeah, hearts of really make to really have a hard stance on KiKi Kuti we're, we're just gonna go with that. Because his first game right back from the hamstring that he had, he's I remember coming out of college is kind of a smaller frame kind of guy. So it wasn't have much impression on him in terms of, you know, standing out five eleven eighty, but fifteen targets. I mean fifteen targets and one game. I don't care if we'll fuller were down the first quarter. That's an insane amount. Yeah, obviously is a lot of throwing in these deepens completely stinks, but I'm going to be. I'll tell you what I'm going to be going bad. Just be one game. I'm gonna go in. Do the replay on the condense game on NFL all thirty two rewatch this person get an idea of how big of how big of a fab budget bit end to do. I don't think it's gonna be anything crazy, but I most certainly don't wanna put in a very weak offer knowing that I should be aggressive with this person because to your to your point, maybe maybe Houston's star. Put it together more with the passing Shawn Watson, comeback from the knee injury. Maybe they're starting to get things together. Maybe this guy's really good will constantly hurt again, fifteen targets online. So I would definitely be he's gotta be the top pick up this week, and I would have to think. Yeah, I think if you're out of all the players we mentioned, if Evan Muhammed sununu is it's Mahama's news a plug and play guy that you can plug right in, and you know you're gonna get. He can help you right away. If you can afford to, to think more big picture key Cudi does have a little more upside. So those would be the two players on kind of opposite ends of the spectrum plus thing about all the cool team names. You could use. It's true because you could probably pronounce his name bunch of different ways. So it could like you could work no matter what you know. What I want to wrap up with a question for you. So the news broke today, Levy on bell is expected to report to Pittsburgh the join his Steelers teammates week seven, which is there by week. It looks like he's trying to he's in full damage control saying he saying all the right things. He's hoping Pittsburgh resigns into a long term deal. I want to ask you. This is also kind of talk about waiver pickups, also the time the season where people start looking at trades for fantasy. If you're if you are a James Connor owner, are you in sell mode right now? Are you in like I'm gonna sell for pennies on the dollar, not not for anything I can get, but am I looking to move him if I can get a decent package in return considering Levy on bell news, but also considering James, Connor really struggled to run the football. He's only top double digits and carries twice this year. He's gone down and fantasy points each week. So if you have James Connor, are you kind of testing the waters shopping him around? You can get something for them that sell anything. You get two games left at a James, Connor and less. You are one in three, and you really kinda need him and you don't wanna. You wanna go for the upside in these running back for almost anything. You know, give me a give me a decent flex player. I can count on ten points week. I'm gonna take it. I think at this point I mean, Allen Robinson, Chicago, where do you stand on that? Kind of just stuck out in my head guy hasn't been great. Hasn't been bad. I'd trade Connor for him most certainly. I don't know if that's like, I think I think I would. It would depend on how bad it depend on my rocker. And how about my running back situation because on Robinson is on by this week, James Connors got two decent matchups and then who knows levian bell mean could be traded. I tend to think that probably isn't going to happen. 'cause it's, I can't imagine Pittsburgh's get back what they're looking for in return for love, EON bell. So I don't know. But I do think that with two weeks in being running back, it's tough to find good running backs, and there is also the tension Bolovian bell trade. I think that you'd have to give it definitely caused a pause a little bit, but I think I would do that unless I was in complete, must win territory this week. Oh, definitely move on. And what would you give up for Levy mbelle specifically? I have a trade off top my head. Maybe I offered it. Maybe I didn't. I don't know. Would you do if you had Keenan Allen? Would you trade him for bell? That's very, that's very close. I mean, if I again, if I'm if I'm one in three or if I'm Owen four after this week, I don't. I don't do that trade because I need to win, say two and two keying Allen to into. I've teen Allen. Yes, I think I'm probably doing that trade just because I don't know the charters. I'm not really worried big picture about keen Allen, but Mike Williams has stepped it up this year. Melvin Gordon has been catching a lot of touchdowns which is nothing new, but I think I think I would do that. That's that's definitely close though, but I think I would do that and roll the dice knowing me upside a fresh, especially a fresh Levy on bell would bring to the table for the stretch run of the fancy season. Okay. Good. I mean, actually, as soon as I got the news I went out, I made that offer news running back help. Plus, I think Levin bells. In upgrade plus some not in a. Not struggling into win next week, but I think they kind of puts into perspective of what it would take to get belt as point. You're still going to need to play who's got named value who still good upside, but I'm not going to give someone who has been playing very good every week in week out because bell still has come back. So has it actually start non put carries James Connor not potentially traded to a worst offense shake off all the rust. So you still have a lot of, you know, some concerns saying their major trade for on bell, but I think that's the ballpark that you'd have to consider in terms of trade value. Yeah, he's a very solid and it's okay. Take risks. If you're gonna choir, some like Levy on bell and you have the chance to get him at, you know, somewhat of discount. It's it's worth it's worth taking a risk. Yeah. Like if losing Allen, depending on what your team looks like that could definitely hurt you. But if you get lucky on bell and he's the Levy on Belle of old that that's that's what wins you championships right there. That is a game changer that moves the needle. So you know, when you're gonna choir player like that, I'm always about taking risks. All right. And that's rep up our episode for week five waiver wire pickups everyone. Thanks for listening. We're the NFL talking heads. Thanks for listening to this episode of the NFL talking heads, fantasy football podcast show try saying. Your hose, Jeff carrier, weld catch you next time.
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Big Blue reView: A strange, disappointing Monday night loss to the Atlanta Falcons
Hey, guys. On today's episode, we break down the Monday night football game and talk about some of the end of game coaching decisions. What's been going wrong for the defense and the good and bad of the offense and what can and can't be fixed on both sides of the ball. Just a note, we recorded this before news of the ally apple traded. So he's been treated to the New Orleans Saints for a fourth and seventh round pick. Obviously that's big news. We just weren't able to get to it in this episode. We'll have plenty of coverage on that at big blue view dot com over the next couple of days, and it might not be the last big trade that happens for this team. I, it seems they might be selling a little bit, but again, that's just why it's not mentioned in this episode but will definitely be talking about it. So thanks for listening and. Hello and welcome to the big. We've you podcast. I am dam. Zuta join tear by Chris flung, and we are here in the aftermath of the giants twenty three twenty loss on Monday night football to the Atlanta Falcons. I joked on Twitter. This podcast is going to be me talking about the two point conversion for an hour because I just don't want to talk about any other part of the game that okay with you today. Chris, perfectly. All right. I am tired. I am grouchy and I am frustrated. So let's just get into it. Giants? Football. So I guess when we look at this, I'm joking about talking about the two point conversion for an hour. I think. But but that is I think, where we need to start and just the whole end of the game scenario in general. So the giants scored a touchdown and author and after the, yeah, crazy in itself right there a so they scored a touchdown. They go down eight and this is where you know things will get a little crazy. The giants decided to go for two when they were down eight after the touchdown. So this is one place where the analytics have kind of said you should go for to all the time, but no one has really done it. A Doug Peterson was really like the first person to do it, and he did it two weeks ago against Minnesota. So we'll just break this down real quick and try to keep it as simple as possible. Basically two point versions are around fifty fifty, right? So if you get a two point conversion after the. Touchdown and you are now down six, you score again, and if you kick an extra point your head, if you don't get it, you can still go for a two point conversion after your next touchdown. And that's still a fifty fifty shot. But if you put all of those probabilities together, it's fifty percent that it works out and then it's only twenty five percent that it completely fails, which is the combined probability of missing a fifty fifty shot twice. So really you're giving yourself the ability to try to go out in the weed and the advantage you have of being up six in that situation is way bigger than the disadvantage you would have down eight. And of course, in all of these scenarios, you needed defensive stop afterward and the giants didn't get that anyway. They lead up the field goal. So it didn't matter. In general when everything came down to it, but it's the right call mathematically. It makes a whole lot of sense. And when we've talked about before putting your team in a position to win, instead of maybe pushing off losing for a little bit, this is the type of decision we're talking about. Yeah, exactly. I think anybody who, for some reason didn't have the game. Muted heard booger McFarland ranting and raving about the terrible call to go for two rather than playing for a tie. And Yep, all due respect to booger who played the game at the highest level. He can take a whole stadium seats for every reason you just pointed out and also the giants have not played to win. Much at all this season and maybe too little too late, but they finally did it against land and it was the right call yet. And after after the game in the in the post game, press conference a Shurmur before he even asked about it came out and and gave his reasoning. He said something to the giants have talked about internally. They like the math on it. They believe it makes a lot of sense. And he stands by the decision. It's something he'll probably do again, which which is great. He says he didn't regret, which which is good. That's the type of thinking you want to see now we can talk about some other Shurmur decisions. No later in this episode and I'm sure we will, but but that is a good thing to see. Just taking that way of thinking, especially for a franchise that quite famously spit in the face of analytics when they took. Running back second. Overall, they had a general manager mock and a Wittig people at the press conference. I think we know the image of Dave Gettleman doing the little keyboard thing. Let's just say that he'd spent the phase of analytics when they hired, they've got well, yeah, that that's just, but that was root of it all, but it's good to see that the giants are having these conversations internally, whether they were having these conversations to start or whether Peterson's decision to go for it to weeks ago against Minnesota is what led to these conversations, but either way having these conversations and having them, actually, we'd to things that happened on the field is a real good sign for this team, and it's a good time for a team where there's not a lot of other good signs right now. Yeah, sticking with the end of the game and Shurmur decisions. I have no. Clue what he was thinking with trying the quarterback sneaks on with Eli manning at the goal line. Yeah, they're desperately trying to put themselves in position to win the game on just a series of long shots, and their offense of line was just straight up offensive. This game. They couldn't do much of anything and ally manning is ally manning. He has his moments where he looks like he could actually be a professional athlete, but they are few and far between and with an offensive line that. Gets about as much push as a blocking sled. He wasn't ever going to make that. So why do you do it with no timeouts. You know what? I, I don't have a problem with running the first one, your quarterback sneaks usually don't even need the line to do that well, in order for them to convert on short yardage. So as of the end of twenty seventeen quarterback sneaks in short, yardage converted about eighty three percent of the time. That's just about the better a better success rate than you can get on almost any other play. So the first one I completely get expect allied to get in there do would expect him to get in on one of two. But I think after you fail on that first one and with no timeouts remaining and the clock still running, I think you have to have another play called there and winding up. For the second one is where I have an issue without a plan to do anything else. The first one I do not have a problem with, that's probably your highest percentage play and you're trying to get into the end zone as soon as possible. Yeah, I'll go along with that. But then again, the second one, you know, with the clock running. I, I just don't know at the how about play action? You know they had trouble running it, but right, even that and I'm gonna I'm the biggest proponent of play action. G going to find, I think play action should be run on almost every single best attempt, and I'm not sure why it's not. But if you're talking about trying to figure out whether the offensive line is going to hold up or not, I mean, it's it's going to be better pushing forward than it is holding up with play action. I don't think you want ally standing back there for too long, more way. More bad things could happen in that situation than him just trying to push forward and gain a yard, you should be able to gain a yard in in that situation. I think the problem was letting the time role and that second one that also didn't go in and that's where the problem really happened. There's a lot of things that offense should should do or should be able to. Do that. They just it there can't or don't. Yeah. As we get to that, like those two plays felt really big. But again, the giant chances of winning at that point were also slim than thanks to the field goal that gave up earlier after they score the touchdown. So when rent Ellison had the seven yard reception that got them down to the one, there was only about a minute left when that happened outland who was still ninety six point, seven percent a to win at that point per the NFL scrape or data looking at and that I use for a lot of stuff. So the giants still needed to score, they needed to recover an onside kick and then they needed to score again. So the odds of that happening were not great. And so while we look at these last couple plays about how big they were, and it feels like they blew the game, they're not total. The case because they had already put themselves down with that field goal. There were so many other opportunities they had earlier in the game. They didn't convert on that honestly, and magnetically when you look at it costs the more than those failed sneaks. It agreed. I would argue that basically the entire first half was one giant missed opportunity or a bunch of really good missed opportunities. Yeah, the first quarter and did nothing. Nothing which I'm sure is not something any of us saw coming now. Then it was only ten, three at half. The giants probably should have gone into the f. with the lead or at the very least with as a tie game. You don't get three straight stops on the Atlanta, Falcons and then with their offense, and then turn around and go against their defense and not put up any points that is, that's the real missed opportunity right there. 'cause you knew they were going to adjust to the giants defense and they had to capitalize when the event got them the ball back again and again, and again, and they just couldn't? Yeah, they, they had a shot. They got in the end of the first half, they got into Atlanta territory. They had a third and six from the nine. And then Grady Jarrett happened, oh, we talked about Gregg Jarrett a little bit on the preview podcasts. He's a very good pass rusher from the interior. So he sacked ally on that play, push them back to a fourth and ten, and they kicked a field goal so that got them to seven, three. And then they went another field goal happen in life in under a minute for Atlanta's next drive to end the half. So Atlanta was able to go up ten, three to go into the half. So. So that was the something we saw from the defense kind of all night. Just letting outran of push the ball downfield. They had a pass rush early. That kind of started to go away late in the game, whether that was fatigue or Atlanta, figuring out how to block it and or or adjusting to the rush calling. Some plays to take advantage of that aggressiveness which they did in the second half. Probably something to giants can take note of maybe do that on the offensive side, but then the giants came back. I drive in the third quarter. They get down to fourth and one a day go for it. They should have had it. There were options there. The play. Obviously it was called to Odal Beckham Petra again seat on the sideline. Now thing, why didn't you throw it to del Rhett Ellison was even open in the back of the end zone. But the Eli. I went to Scott Simonson the past. Oh, incomplete. So they didn't score there again, that's something where it's the right decision. It honestly wasn't a bad call if IGLA throws that immediately to Adele and trust it, that's probably a touchdown. If you wait, maybe a second longer works pass Simonson Ellison's open. So that's probably a touchdown there that is not a bad call at all? No. And with regards to the giants pass, rush, kind of going away. I've a feeling it's a combination of both. The Dow Jones did a fantastic job of spreading the ball around. I it the one weakness of saying is that you only have eleven men, and if your sentiment sending somebody to rush the passer, he cannot be back and coverage. I mean, that's just physics right there. And so the falcons just identified what area of the field is going to be open and replaced. The Blitzer with the ball that's more or less quarterbacking one a one or at least maybe to a one and also fatigue, Olivier Vernon. His second game back. He played sixty four of sixty five defensive snaps. It was like the last two seasons with Vernon all over again. He never came off the field, right? That's something the giant said they didn't want to do. They said that in the offseason even before Vernon was hurt, they said they wanted to have a good rotation and rotating guys in. But again, we see Vernon as the only real threat and they are scared to take them off the field and succinctly what happened the past couple of years. Connor Arwen only played eight defensive snaps. He was a starter while Vernon was hurt. Gary win, played twenty to carry win a Mario award forty four, which was thirty, seven percent a Kareem. Martin was in there on thirty four, which was fifty, two percent. So I looks like they, they rotated that second position there of, but the didn't rotate Vernon at all. And you know, I understand wanted to keep Vernon on the field because he is your one really good pass rusher, but also meet. You got to try to keep him healthy and if he's not getting anything at the fourth quarter to having him on the fields doesn't matter exactly. It's the same problem. The giants ran into in twenty sixteen in two thousand seventeen. When they had Vernon end Jason Pierre Paul, they just never took them off the field and they were gassed by the time they had to come up with stop at the end of the game, and it was something again when the pass rush, was there early, they had five quarterback hits that kind of feels like they all happened in the first half. They had three sacks. Those all. In the first quarter. I think gel all three of those sacks happened on Atlanta's first two drives. It was the third down on on the first guy that force them to put and then to sax on the second drive, and then they didn't sack Matt Ryan again, will they did have one sack in third quarter by Mario Edwards that was taken off by in Eli, apple defensive hold, so they did get to it didn't count. So maybe we can count that as partial credit. I don't know. But yeah, they were on after him and Atlanta adjusted. There were some please where Atlanta new pressure was going to come. They were expecting it, but they adjusted. They had that a play call to it. Like you said, they would take Witter's and they would throw into it. I remember one place specifically. I wrote about it in my plays that change. The game piece. There was a weight third and eight and they were on their own twenty. It was started the third quarter they went empty on third and eight Edo Smith was wide. So the left in empty formation of the giants sent butchers or Ryan had pressure in his face, but Smith just ran across route. He was Brian was able to get the ball out and Smith had room to run in the middle of the field and they converted for twenty yards. It's something where you use the aggressiveness of the defense against them. You use that pressure against them. It opens up something else in the middle of the field, and you have a running back who's good at catching and running. Being able to catch and run. I know it's not something the giants do very often, but it's something that is allowed. It is at everyone told the giants. This yet the falcons, we'd run in Bill routes out of the backfield that it was some crazy stuff. It was just something where. The falcons were able to find room in the middle of this defense. And maybe let's stick with the defense for right now, just because that's that's where we are. We'll go back to the offense and a little bit. We always start with the offense, the stroke, so so we'll stick here. They were. They were able to find open spaces and use it against them. And when they weren't finding open spaces, they were still able to make completions because that Ryan is very good. The u. receivers are very good. Although when we were talking about whether the giants had enough depth in the secondary to contain all of Atlanta's receivers and skill players, a Marvin hall wasn't exactly who I was thinking of, but he he had a Wong forty, seven yard touchdown for for the first touchdown game, he'll. Probably why who's accessible. He wasn't the guy anyone was thinking of. And if you can go, usually if you can go three deep, if you can go forty, you're going to be really tough to stop. Yeah. And that was a play where where he was out lied and he was undernourished Jenkins, she noise Jenkins was in coverage. When you watch the play, the way Jenkins is playing to the outside. It looks like he thought he had would have safety help deep. But Curtis Riley is Curtis Riley. Yeah. Well, he, he jumped a route from tight end Austin Hooper who was running up the seam so that took away him the backfield. So as soon as hall ranted opposed Jenkins had little chance to catch him, although Jacobs made a better effort than than you would expect. And he was a little closer to haul at at the end of the play, then probably. A lot of quarterbacks would be, obviously it didn't matter, but he did have some recovery speed there. But yeah, another, you know, the breakdown in the giants defense, and it's a place where someone schemed open a very wide hole and they were able to convert which is something the giants defense has seen kind of often this year. Yeah, it's something they're just going to keep seeing because there aren't really any remedies for you can have midseason. The roster is with the roster is I other than maybe grant Haley, having a meteoric rise, there is no cavalry. Yeah. And especially at positions like three safety where Kurdish Riley is like the only option I'm your aren't enough of those to go round for the league as a whole, let alone finding one in the middle of the season. There's not much to replace Riley right now. The problem, of course. Was going into the season with Curtis Riley as the safety when there were other options. I mean, again, we can briefly mention Eric read, but trip Austin was out there from someone. The giants absolutely should have taken a look at. He's actually killing it in Arizona. He's been killing it and he was out in week seven, but he's still playing really well when he was on the field, and he's a guy who played that center field position, which is what the giants are asking Riley to do understand maybe if you didn't think Eric Reed could play that, which that he's kind of playing now and Carolina trae Boston was that guy. He was not expensive. You could have brought him in. And I mean you had Jerry Thompson, Andrew, Adams, I, I can't imagine one of those guys was worse. So when you when you talk about Riley the, that's the problem was going into the season. With him and and he, he continues to be a problem on the field, miss tackles. He took multiple bad angles, the Tevin Coleman touchdown on before the snap. He shifted a little bit to the other side of the fields where who you're Jones's play into kind of shadow him, but the ones he charged in he, he took a bad angle and Tevin Coleman was able to run right by them. There were, there were other plays where he's just taking bad angles and can't bring the bulk carrier down. And that's that's literally his job as the free safety as that last night a defence, there's nothing else he's supposed to do exactly. And in James Becher system, which is relies heavily on cover one with that one, deep free safety who's basically there to be the last line of defense to shit to be able to find out where he has to be and then get there. You cannot hide your free safety. You need a good free safety to run that defense. Otherwise, it's just a gaping hole that teams are going to take advantage of. Unfortunately, it's seems almost like when the team was being put together, the defensive scheme wasn't the kind of coverage that the defensive scheme needs wasn't exactly taken into account the. They had a bunch of guys who were not even in the league last year for a scheme that puts a pretty high premium on athletic ability in coverage ability. You need that free safety. Like I just said, and they took a guy who has never played free safety and put in there. I, okay, Darren, Thomson doesn't have the best range, but at least he's got the mental footwork to play the position. Right? There's not a lot you can do right now, but yeah, with the. When you talk about the kinds of players who who were brought in and who are playing big roles on this defense, I mean the the b, w web is another one of them. The giants weren't shadowing Julio Jones when he went into the slot which he does often. So there was a lot of who Jones against w web in this game, and the falcons Mitchell were to take advantage of that. But that's not even the problem with the highly price guys. Janoris Jenkins has not had a good season. He LA apple has been picked on since he came back. I mean, Julio Jones had nine receptions for one hundred and four yards. It's it's not like they kept him at bay at all. He was pretty much able to do what he wanted when when they went to them now in the middle of the field, I think Alex Ogle tree has has still been a problem. He had one play in the beginning of the game. I think the end of the first quarter, it was a third and thirteen the. Giants are sitting in zone. Muhammed sununu runs right across the field right through Alec Ogle tree zone, and he is flat footed and stares at him and just let them run right past them and then react after sununu is already two steps in front of him and to able to have a catch and run for a sixteen yard gain on third down. And that was from Atlanta's twenty six. So instead of making a play that could have forced the falcons two point in their own territory, they just got a first down because I don't even know what Ogle tree was doing. And then add that to the fact. He's been one of the leaders in broken tackles of this season, and and that's again paying a lot of money for for a guy who who has not really been making a meaningful impact in the middle of that defense. And he's one of the guys that is on the field every snap. I don't think he has missed a snap this season, which in the good for him, but the web. Earlier, if somebody's going to be on that issue and you break in and tackles of being broken on your attempts, I just, yeah, you have to be able to make those plays. If you're going to be the defensive captain. If you're going to be a guy, they're paying the, the contract that they are that they gave up the draft capital that they did to get you. You have to make those plays. But there have there have been a lot of guys that the giants have invested heavily in who just are not getting done. Right. I think when we look at the defense, I think I have more optimism for that going forward. It say not for the rest of the season, but into twenty nineteen because I like some of the things they're doing, but the talent clearly is not there. And I think the hope is with a widow more talent. You put it in this scheme and there's something that can happen. It's the opposite of what I feel about the offense, which is the talent is there, and it's just not happening. No, speaking of the biggest investment to just not get it done the offense of line in general and need solar in particular. This is the second we can row where he has just gotten beat like a drum and not playing like a twenty two million dollar left tackle or offense of tackling particular. I have a very angry rant in me about the perception that left tackles are more important than right tackles. I won't get into it now we have a buy week for that. Yeah, I think we've talked about it heater before when we were talking about moving flowers over to right tackle, it doesn't matter. But yeah, this offensive line has not been good on Monday. ESPN came out with a ranking of all the tackle duos in the league, and they're using their new pass, block win rate metric a which basically just measures how often an authentic Lyman. Is holding a block for at least two point, five seconds. That's basically the baseline, and then it's a percentage of plays. The giants have unsurprisingly the worst tackle duo in the league right now. Nate soldiers at sixty six percent a, which is very bad. Chad wheelers fifty, four percent, which is easily the worst of tackles. So he has definitely been a problem, but you kind of know what to say. You expect that from Wheeler, but he has a more reasonable case to be very bad, not the first choice then solar does who is now the highest paid tackle in football. We can maybe we'll, we'll save for the bye week of the actual logistics of signing soldier and why they didn't necessarily need to do it just because he was the only slightly decent tackle on the market. But yet he, he has not. Not been good, and that offensive line is it's derailing. A lot of of what the authentic and do. And again, we can talk about there's some places where the giants can maybe use that idea a little more and plan around that. It kind of seems like every offensive play. They run their surprised when it doesn't work. When there's a blow blowing block, which is crazy. But we talked about Atlanta. They had some plays before that they use when they knew pressure was going to come. The giants seem like they're shot every time. There's an offensive lineman. He blows a snap and play is blown up. I think they need to realize now the offensive line is not good. There are going to be blowing blocks and they have to work around that a little more. Yeah. At this point, I would almost install a college offense. I would look at. You know, when can Riley and Oklahoma and just go to school on him over the by week, no, maybe put you lie in the pistol all the time. Get him no back away from the offensive line, but still have saquon Barkley back behind him. So he actually has decent running angles and you know what? Just switch to an RPO offense. Just read one guy, make the decision, get the ball out. Quick at put defenders in conflict. Every play they the giants were actually pretty decent running RPO's last year they should be able to do so again, and they've got better skill position players, you know when they can figure out how to use more than one or two at a time. Right. And I mean the thing about RPO's end, if it's specially if you do a pre snap read on in our peo-, which is something you I is is very good at because we talked about when Carolina. Kinda tricked them into a pre snap read and ended in an interception, but probably more often than not he's going to make the right read in that scenario. So, yeah, strengthen as a quarterback, right? I'm not opposed to two more pistol heavy offense at all. That's probably a good idea and something we should look into a little more, but. Okay. So when we talk about some of these plays that the giants are just completely mystified when there's a blow block and how they should kind of go around that for the I don't know how many episodes of this podcast have we done for whatever number that is. We're going to talk about the usage of saquon Barkley. As I called them before the human puzzle box because apparently he is impossible to figure out even though he should be the most obvious player in the offense to figure out as saying before we went on air, I swear if Sean Payton or Andy Reid or just Josh mcdaniels or if there's a few other guys in the league, Kyle Shanahan if any of them had sterling shepherd and Odell Beckham and evidence room saquon Barkley they would be putting up thirty points a game easily, and I swear take Barkley would have two thousand yards by now. Why? Why won't they let him run a frigging route. I mean the the fresh rating thing here is sugar was supposed to be that guy. He has an excellent offensive coordinator in Minnesota. Last year. He was great. They had great schemes. They had great play designs. I know because I looked at all of them and I wrote a whole bunch about it in the offseason talking about what he could possibly bring over. But the just hasn't been the case. And the usage of Barclay has been probably the biggest disappointment of what this offense is. So I'm going to quickly read out the air yards on each of Barclays targets in this game. Some of our more squeamish listeners may wanna cover their yours for this. Zero negative one, negative, nine, four. That was a fun play. He ran an actual route negative seven one, negative, five, zero, negative, five, negative, nine. What are we doing. What hell. I don't even know, but I'm done with the weather. He should have been pick at like second overall debate or not whatever. He's on the team right now to use him use him like he was worth the second overall pick. I don't understand it at something. We've both said a couple of times the reason why his value is justifiable as the second overall pick even more than you know, his ridiculous athleticism and his, you know, sky, high football character is the fact that he has the ability to be an elite running back and a an elite receiver. He is a weapon, but he, he's a, he's a weapon. The giants never take out of the holster. It's the Ferrari that's kept in the garage under cover because you don't want to ruin it. And it just seems like the giants, no bark. We can make any player miss. At anytime? Yeah. Yeah, right. And their game plan is, okay. We're going to set this up to make Barclay make a guy mist and there was there was one play. It was late in the game. I again wrote about this to please go read the place that changed the game post on big with you right now because a lot of these plays are in it. Well, not right now after you get done listening to this thing. So it was in the start of the fourth quarter. Third in two giants ran a swing pass will behind the line to Barclay and it was an eight yard loss. They took an eight yard loss on third and into and who, okay. So part of the problem at first I was like, oh, this is Jess of one of their bad, very bad. Third down plays where they throw the barklay behind the line of scrimmage, which is true. Yes, it was, but it was also an absolutely terrible display blocking by the offensive line. So there were at least one of Lyman was supposed. To get out in front, but that didn't happen chedda. We were completely whiffed on a cut block to Brooks Reed who ended up being the first guy to was right in front of Barclay to stop him a new center Spencer paulie. He stumbled as he got out of his stance. He actually ran into sterling Shepard on the play on, so he wasn't able to move and get out in front of the play and block anyone. So the way the play was designed to defenders were supposed to be taken out of this play, and it was probably supposed to be Barclay one on one which is ATI like, but again, you could just throw you Barkley in front of the line of scrimmage in that doesn't need to happen. So instead of one on one, it was three people waiting for Barclay will behind the line of scrimmage, and it was a loss of eight. That's just she's bad offense all the way around. Yeah, they could've just run an easy angle row. Out which is basically guaranteed yards. They only needed three of them yet to actually definitely pick up the first down. There was another play where the giants actually had Berkeley run a wheel route. The problem was, I believe they even had him nodal Beckham on the same. He'll side. Yeah, they actually ran a combination that looked really good. Yeah, wasn't either read. I'm not sure that either one of them were even in the progression because you know, you could see and go through his progressions, but it was all on the left side of the field. I believe those two were only used as a decoy to try to pull some of the coverage over to the right, which I it didn't because either one of them could have moonwalked into the end zone, I guess that's not something you can blame on Eli, if his real, as opposed to be to be other side of the field than it at what he does. I just don't understand why you have Barclay and Beckham finally running a route combination to the same side of the field. That's something we've been calling for for a while too. I don't understand how that's not the read on that play at me neither, but it looked like it was just either two or three level. I'm trying to picture the play in my head. Looked like it was a two or three level read on the. Left side of the field was it was glad to see Shurmur actually coal, some multilevel concepts and to actually use some row combinations like that. But. Just. The worst, some good route combinations that were run when there was time to throw the ball it just it wasn't enough. Again. They stole in the red zone. We fund. We got again another game where Odell Beckham was targeted down the field. They actually used Ono beco- man, sterling shepherd the way they should be used at each one lined up. You know, out wide on both sides. They were both in the slot on both sides. They went down the field. They were targeted down the field and it worked. It worked really well. I, they had two hundred ten yards between the two of them. Yeah, so we'll get Beckham right now. Twelve point, seven, seven expected points added a when he was targeted. Again, expected points. Adage is kind of takes historical play by play from each point of the fields and takes what any team. Kind of expected to gain and just kind of base it off that Beckham twelve point seven, seven expected points added, but that was more than an expected point added per target and that is exceptional. That is amazing. That is among the best you the best games in the league are over one expected point added per play. You do not see that very often for some comparison Berkeley on his targets. Negative one point, two seven expected points added so they can't other out one to EPA per target. That's not what you want from Barkley that's actually different than he's usually been positive piece of of the passing game. Atlanta, kind of really made sure to bottle him up in the passing game. The giants made it easier for them by throwing to him. So often behind the line of scrimmage. But we again the pas. Tive. We had another another Beckham game where he was targeted downfield and he showed you what he could do. He got open downfield. He made some great catches. Yeah, and that's something that should just be used more often than the rotary them even if he doesn't look open, he's been more open than you think he is even when he's covered, he's more open than most receivers. Yeah, absolutely. That's, that's the point of him being Odell Beckham that we have seen all the time he he makes them catches that. Not a lot of other receivers can make. And in this game, they, I think they did a pretty good job of getting him some downfield routes where he could get open and he still ransom slants that got him away from off coverage, got him room to catch and run, and those were good gains when you can find a balance there. That's that's the way to use Beckham. And that was not the way he was used earlier in the. Season. I think it's good that they're starting to figure that out. Maybe that gives you hope for something and it was actually them John's it hope. But you know. For the future for the future. Everything we say right now is for the future, and it was good to see them. You sterling shepherd, you know, similarly, get him down the field. He is much more than just a slot possession receiver yet he can run with the ball. He's on for a five foot, ten hundred ninety. Maybe two hundred pound receiver Diculeng strong. He's and. He and Beckham should be used to complement each other like that. Absolutely. You could? Yes. Throwing shepherds should have been used way more than he has been I. It was good to see him get go. And in this game, Barkley should be used better. The Beckham should be used like he was in this game Ingram and Evan Ingram, man. Let's we could probably just talking about this so maybe will during the bye week. Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna get to upset with Ingram in this game. He was just coming back from injury, so we don't know exactly how his status wasn't how he was feeling in this game, but yet just in general, using him more using him more up to seem, and that's a place you can stretch the defense. So I think the giants have one more week before the by. They play Washington next week, and then they have a bye in man. They need to do a lot of. Linking and reorganizing in by week to to figure out what they can do more of and what they can do. They need to commit to doing it. You look at their tape and not see what they need to do and who they need to be. They just need to decide. We're going to do that. Yeah, and the wool will maybe see what other changes they make in that time. It's it's coming time where there were there might be worthy might be Fugler shakeups on this team. So we'll see again, another disappointing loss. The giants are now wouldn't six there is I will say this quite me. There is no hope for anything this season. And when you, honestly, when you even look at when you even look at a probabilities of whether the giants are going to end up with a top pick, they are not the favorites for the top pick. They're like fourth or fifth per football outsiders. They only have like the fifth highest chance of even top five pick of. And now we add to that where just an Herbert might not be coming out of school. We'll talk about that probably on much waiter episodes in the season. So this team might not even be tanking. I don't think they're tanking. But this team might not even be bad in the correct way on and to a profitable way, which would be absolutely perfect. So on that note, I think we hit everything from this game who may a lot more than we thought we were going to attack. We always know how to end this podcast positively. Thank you. Guys for listening. You can subscribe to this podcast wherever you find your podcast. If you have not done that yet, you can also rate and review. 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