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I thought were just crackerjack and went so well I didn't see any reason to change what was working. You know it's like not changing your underwear when you're in a hidden straight. As opposed to doesn't change his underwear because he's just dirty. Doesn't care. Life is heading streak for you so. So. if you guys haven't noticed were still on the resume, calling the zoom recording because my brother doesn't know how to use an SSD card but penicillin alert right up is my understanding. Anyway how we we really apologize for the episode being late but last week I'm pretty sure was the week from the home of Haiti's for most people I. Know it was her make you TJ had an earthquake yes. Yeah. My first one, my first Ross quick and how did it go short? It was actually based in Sparta North Carolina, which is under the Virginia border. So we're a goodly ways away from it, but it I it woke me up. One of my dogs mark. Well, it's odd 'cause living in California you get sort of immunity to earthquake tolerance I should say, no accessible. Thirty I think like what? Maybe five days but like maybe a week. We had a four point two but it was base like five miles away from where we record where we live and we initially thought it was the cats fighting at like four thirty in the morning and we're like, oh no, there's things falling off of stuff and we're moving and so that was that was fun. But Yeah my last week was not fun because. I had basically a stroke in front of me. So I had to take over the day dogs I. Mean it was it was bad and so I kind of fell down on the episode but luckily Tj too and my husband both incredible writers and Mr T.. Hey, you're Mr T.. Road this spitting image one about. Cantaloupe Art. Looking beer. Thank you guys. So they were actually GonNa talk about somebody who I think had a ton of songs that I loved when I was growing like my high school years when I was actually like super in the country is Mr Joseph. diffey. Mr Joke. If was born Joseph Logan Divvy, which is a cool name a if he'd gone by that though, do you think you would have been a serial killer? Any any three nine thing is is usually creepy like Henry bad results. Yeah No. I'm just trying to think of what what other professions would be. You know appropriate for someone with renamed it three times is bad and if your middle name is like Wayne? Lear Ray. Yeah those. Yeah. I could see someone Joe Logan Divvy being an astronaut seems to track. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that. You got to be a singer. Singer asking circular up yet. He was born in Tulsa Oklahoma and then you initially left this out and I don't know why you left this out but he was born on December. Twenty Eighth Nineteen, Fifty Eight. So shares the birthday with our mother with their mom it's mom's Day I was like, why would you leave that how we can talk about our mom? I'm sure she'd be tickled for given how it started so. Given given our star magic probably. Just. Assume not mention her but. She's right now she's currently taking out of the will so. She figures out how to use the purple but not her phone yard. So much trouble when she gets legalzoom, it's all over. His family moved to San. Antonio Texas when he was in the first grade and subsequently to Washington where he attended fourth and fifth grades. Later, he moved to Wisconsin for the years that he was in sixth grade through the second year of high school in a back to Oklahoma where he attended high school in. Vilma. So he moved a lot. Yeah. Off Places I mean Washington then Wisconsin. Then Oklahoma it's all over the place cavity he's just been cold his whole life. Yeah ever I think if if I remember. Correctly I think it was it was for work for his father right? His his dad had to move a lot for whatever it is. He did for a living which was a couple of things our. Yeah instead of, but we'll get into that in a second which So last years of high school, he actually played football baseball and golf in addition to running track I ran track I wasn't good at it, but I didn't As DA and. I am not as fast as you might imagine. Lights. Be The the southern Adana has? No that's a shocker 'cause. I. Looked at me and you think sprinter. As it turns out I'm slow and I can't don't rear was a poor fit in hindsight. I see when I was growing up I was like eighty two pounds. So I was like perfect and we play golf actually Joe Logan a great golfer name would miss it would be actually that would actually be. Yeah but he's in his senior year. He's actually recognized as the best all-round male athlete, which is something that you will never be. Not, if not, not a foul was home-schooled. was. The child in the in the homes school class. Now I'm not I'm not gonNA. Say that will is a fantastic athlete. He's the only one in our household is run more than one marathon. To be very to. Have the market cornered on that one. No one else really up for let's go twenty, six point two miles everyone well, no I did do a five K. dresses a t wreck which wasn't accomplish I feel like I deserve. Some sort of. Video, evidence Yup there is. His first musical performance came at age fourteen when he performed in his hand Don Anita's country music band Joseph he's father Joe are. Guitar, and Banjo in his mother's saying, which is like it. That's kind of like the upbringing met Johnny cash right. Somewhat, yeah. Sort of a musical family. A lot of people talked about have come from musical families but following in his mother's footsteps divvy began to sing at an early age often listen to the albums from his father's record collection, which included such country legends as a lefty frizzell, Johnny, cash, narratives, rural haggard. And although he also loved the energy of rock and roll after seeing live performances from Z.. Z.. Top and boss I love Boston. What are they overplayed? I means bottoming every Boston song is overdone. Yeah entirely. But. More than a feeling I mean come on on her on. That makes me happy. But but if buddy solves easily top to which. We more fiber severe has said that his mom and dad claimed that he could sing harmony when he was three years old. So, kind of a sort sorta prodigy yet or just some really proud parents either way after graduating he attended Cameron University in Lawton Oklahoma and although initially earned credits toward medical school, he decided against a medical profession after marrying for the first time in nineteen seventy seven's Dr. Daffy, if area. Started as started as we kind of went over some of the facts that we uncovered this one. I if you had, you would have been less surprised if you told me that you gave birth to a laugh Turkey. Than Joe Difficult initially went to medical school. Could you imagine like this is your doctor Mr. dickey doctor after the and he's going to be performing surgery today. I did not say that one got to be honest with you. It kind of sounds like the moniker for like the puppet they bring him to calm kids down like it's Dr. Disney. Raw. Yellow. Fox if I die why? So Anyway, he dropped out of he dropped out of school. So but I mean, you know he turned out to be. So it's OK. Story. Stories on John Lennon Higgins away in on every episode of the show. but he worked he I worked in oilfields and then he drove a truck that pumped concrete into the oilfield in Alice Texas before I wonder. Country Singer A. Is. There any famous popular country singer you can take up who grew up with wealthy parents and had a Butler and? Why the hell like oilfields and ranches and ran cattle and I tell you write a good song? No. Yeah. Unless you're John Prien who doesn't even need to have a divorce before he writes about divorce right? Who could who could beat a ball of Alpha Bitch and crap out better songs most people could. Mayor could ride as they tried but no, it's just it's just weird that. Not. Weird it actually. Kinda. Makes Sense. So many popular country songs, which is seen as like count the Common Persons Music in salt of the Earth music that most of the people who did it at some point had to actually work hard yeah. Yeah. I like I i. think that's why they have such an honest voice when it comes like country music is because They were living that life. Kind of thing where it was that or like you said, life in the oilfield retires a coal miner so those. Pickup Guitar or you know. I can. I can I can learn to saying I can. I can keep a work in this cotton gene exactly Let me think. Is. Like number one most really good songs come out of work you know music is is really truly rooted in getting your hands dirty. So he moved back to dunk to work in a foundry which we look that up and it's a place that makes metal castings Auguin A. During this period you work as a musician on the side I in a Gospel Group called purpose and then a bluegrass band called special edition. Why I'm laughing. So he began touring with special edition in the adjacent states which we figured out where probably Nebraska. Answered Shoppers Yeah Texas would make sense because there's a huge market for country music layer. So Blue. Grass. which is kind of a a splintered, a splinter, all of of country they're they're their cousins at least. Yeah. We'll. They're in the same like they're on the same side of the Van Diagram Yeah and then he sent demo tapes to publishers in Nashville. So he's actually he actually built his own recording is now touring and he's sending out his demos to folks in Nashville. So like he's already got the trajectory of going for country music rather than attempting to do stuff like. This stuff to Bob Keane prove we all know is in California. So Hang. Recorded Davies love on the rocks and Randy Travis put one of debris songs on hold but he ultimately did not record it and that that right there would have been a huge break for him early because. We're assuming this is probably mid late eighties when at this point Randy Travis is a phenom. Had He actually. Recorded won't fifty songs I mean Burnett could jump started his career even earlier absolutely. But that does tell you like the caliber of town. The Joe Divvy has early on because if Randy Travis has gotten a hold of one of his tracks and white moved, put it on hold even if he didn't ultimately cut it. Yeah. Attention attention. So after the foundry closed nineteen, eighty six divvied declared bankruptcy and sold the studio out of financial necessity. Also, divorced his wife who left with her two children divvy spent several months in a state of depression before deciding to move to Nashville other he took a job at Gibson Guitar Corporation I'm wondering if that's like the the retail showroom or like the actual place where they get ours bill. Thanks I. Actually make the guitar. Sounds a he went to music city with a five year plan initially, but it was on the verge of movie home of the conversation with his dad changed his destiny. I ever got from my dad if your calls he said, if you don't have a goal, you don't have anything to shoot at do something everyday toward your music right song replay retire I took that to heart may try do something every day whether it was big or little I remember getting out of bed one time because I had forgotten to do something toward music actually got up. Got My guitar. Flavor few minutes then went back to Ben actually had to do something with the success I've managed to achieve. I. Think he would apply in anything I live breathe ate slept music all the time I was so obsessed with it. That's awesome. Yeah. The idea that his here's his has boys like Joe. You didn't do anything today and don't like crap and he got up out of bed employed It went back to sleep and bear in mind something. He's still under thirty years old. Okay. He's gone through massive career change divorce bankruptcy. I mean that's a lot of life. Worked all failed or foundry working up running a concrete truck moved five times. This is my life. He's led already a lot of experience active twenty eight right now our time is eighty six. So he is. Twenty eight I lived a rich life bump up to that point no doubt plus he's got a five year plan which I didn't even think was a sing in the eighties but you know it was darned yet but he's he's he's really close to get into too big bright now. Yeah I break came when Holly Dunn recorded there goes my heart again and ask him to seem Harney's I remember going to the mailbox time getting I check on it was like holy crap I be direct more songs. Seemed like that much money my whole life I can't. So he gets his first he gets his first taste of publishing money. He wrote that Song Anything, background on it. And Yeah it's like literally hitting never made that much money as lies is incredible. Yeah. I don't actually know how much you give it for writing songs. I don't I don't know not as much as you used to. But at that back then if if you wrote if you pinned a big hit, it was very lucrative lost a working gibson. He contacted a songwriter recorded more demos including a song that would later be recorded by ricky. Van Shelton I know that name. Gain Alabama Omb I. Happen to. Alabama. And again, if you have Alabama, cut one your songs in the late eighties your that's you're on your way up big. By mid nineteen, eighty nine, he quit working the companies record demos full-time I'm wondering if liked by dimos when when this article that pulled it from the demos actually means like scratch tracks, which if our audience doesn't know, it's like a boiled down version of the songs with like the harmonies melodies, and then vocals that you can think I think in in in Nashville Car Lance That would mean that somebody wrote a song, they want to pitch people, but they actually send them a version of somebody's saying. He. So basically, he tricia earwood got her start that way and I think guard sang demos early as well I think that's were brought and Trish actually met but singing demo together. But yeah, you would basically it's like, Hey, I wrote the song and I'm going to pitch it to such as such and such and such and such and such. You. WanNa. Come singing for me I'll pay fifty bucks. So divvy also met Debbie who later became his second wife that same year dippy was contacted by Bob, Montgomery. Songwriter and record producer known for working with. Buddy Holly. Montgomery who was then vice president of an ar at epic records he said that he wanted to sign if you do a contract with the label, but he actually had the singer on hold for a year following the success of there goes my heart again now divvy signed with epic early in Nineteen Ninety. So now we're getting kind of up to where he's about to hit big. Right and and just to get Kinda, give people a little bit of an overview who don't remember this point in time and country music. What it was walking into was You had what was called the new country or young country movement where you had country radio kind of purged older artists from the sixties and seventies who had continued on to have success in the nineteen eighties. which basically means that waylon jennings Willie Nelson Johnny Cash. Hank Junior. And guys like that. Disappeared from radio playlists around this time and they started to play younger artists, newer artists, and you had this group called the the class of nine that was Garth Brooks Alan Jackson Clint Black, and try to strip all four of those guys had their first hit songs in one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, and this that they and a couple of others that would come along a little bit lighter started to elevate country music to appoint where those four were selling albums on par with like the biggest pop and rock. Artists of that era I mean they were selling like unholy amounts of of records especially for for country artists, which countries always had a dedicated fan base, but it really started to break huge that you also about this because partly because of the popularity, those people country became the number one radio format in the united. States about this this time we're shortly thereafter. So every artist anybody who signed with a Twang and had some fiddle player Mahat pretty much got big time airplay own a bazillion radio stations they got much more publicity. And you know a lot more airtime than they would have previously and people who a couple years before that would have had an could maybe had a nice little career suddenly started selling gold and platinum they could sell out the same gigantic enormous dome. Basically. Places that aerosmith and the Eagles and Tom Petty heartbreakers would sell out you know Garth Brooks. The same out the next week. Out of not really happened previously so just To give you a thumbnail of. What the country music landscape was like at this point he was walking in. So he's about to put his first album out now different. Which is actually the the the label released divvy debut album a thousand winding roads at the end of nineteen ninety with Montgomery and John Slade is the producers. The first single home reached the top of the billboard hot country songs chart and song actually reached number one on the country music charts. By radio and records and Gavin report making him the first country music artists to have a number one debut single on all three charges as well as the first country music artists have debut single spend more than one week in the number one position at the latter two publications. And I think this is the point where with randy drivers got the call said we got your song on the top forty and he said, well, get it on. Yeah. Hey, you you made the pop chart. Can you give me all your Gary All. Right around the same time. But so so. So if he has a big hit right out of the box, obviously, yeah he actually co wrote the album's second and fourth releases if you want me to and a new way to light up an old flame both peaked at number two on billboard's and the former reached number one on the Pete, the harp em country music charts in Canada we don't that's not a that's not two words you're very often together country music and Canada. So for Gordon One on the is pretty already. Is. Actually. Fairly popular up there but. I would also tell you one of the people vocally, that was always compared to the great. George Jones, and we'll tell you that their. New Way to light up old flame is where he sounds vocally the most like George Jones because George would have those and I'm I'm not Abo-. Coach or anything, but those scoops and dips where he would go really high and really low really. It almost kind of a Yodel rain. He would be like way growly low a white high. Did he kind of does that on this song? We're his his his voice will go like way up in the white and wake up the white low and kind of a trend of Yodel. But not completely yeah. Kinda I kinda dig what you're saying what let's actually listen to it. And we will will go on the trip together a new way to light up an old flame here. In New Light of. Little little McKenna up, there's GONNA be here. God a strong desire to start the fire that will burn through. A. New Way denied an plan. Had all that I can stand. In My. IRA. I'm not off. IBM stay way no. No. No. No. On me and new way to. Look. There's A. Wrong. Kind of. A Man. Put a spark. Back. In. Run. The love. Sad me. Gene forgot. No. No. New. A. Little the look. There's GonNa be a big change. Over By the way to. Long. That'll darn through a ball. Tonight. and. Okay. So so you see what I'm talking about their Barry. Jones Ian with with the the the the hot where he reaches up those hop notes mid then. All of a sudden just dips down into the low end of his registering stuff. Think garth bar here though strict student me. For. Two of the CON- working on a full house the he does that and a couple of days. But that one of the songs were may dippy. He'll end up being compared. To the fossil, a couple of times in his career but that's one of the songs that vocally really does kind of sound. Yeah. So between these two songs, devil danced in empty pockets became diff- he's second billboard number one. So he had new in light of an old flame and if the devil danced snippy empty pockets, those were the two bills or number one. So both office that's off his debut album. Yeah Gay. He's got to number one hits. That's like you GE-. album itself peaked at number twenty, three on the country albums were like you have to think though that this is pre internet like this is this is like album sales where they would actually sell like you had to go into Walmart and by the single well again, here's another thing. This is nineteen ninety in Nineteen ninety-one is when billboard sort of rolled out the soundscan system for every album had a little barcode on it and when he bought, it would be zapped with a little gun. So they had accurate total for the first time of how many. Albums were being sold and. Do you know how they did it before soundscan actually act as they would call record stores and ask them how many they think they sold Yup. Literally they call record stores say so what y'all sale this week begging and you know? and. So which is totally unsigned typic-. Because you know that they were every week that would call the biggest record store in New York and Los Angeles and Chicago and all that stuff and they weren't calling probably the Walmart Chester South Carolina where we grew up. They weren't calling Scott City and they weren't they weren't calling truck stops and. Stations which would had the little racks of K. Tale takes Oh. Yeah. But then so but it was probably skewed because they would go to would I'm sure always call the bigger stores in the bigger markets, right? Yeah. So once the gang came into being all of a sudden, you know they people say that like oak crap. Wow country artists are selling Jillian records and there there's a school assault that they always did and it was just always underrepresented because of how unscientific the charts were before. Off, a little bit off topic. But just we're almost there at this point because we're we're talking about nineteen ninety. Yeah could like in one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty was actually performing his first concert to worry with Steve Warner and George Strait. So He's company. So yeah okay. Soviet, your Gig your first album comes out you have to number ones and you're out in for George Strait this a pretty good year you're doing. Okay. Okay. That same year cashbox named him male vocalist of the year in nineteen. ninety-one. Dizzy. Co. wrote the tracks living on with let your love and Memory Lane on his label mate he's homers debut album. His He's a fairly prolific songwriter early. Yeah, his second album regular Joe which I'm pretty sure I bought was released in Nineteen Ninety two and was certified gold by the recording. Industry. Association of America, the first two singles. From the album both peaked at number five on billboard it's cold in here and ships that don't come in. With the latter reaching number one on radio and records ships that don't come in was co written by Dave Gibson and was also recorded on epic at the same time as a member of the Gibson Miller band, the album's third single next thing smokin made his debut one month before too much to ask I, do at the debt divvy recorded with all Mary Chapin. Carpenter. Not Too much diop's goes. Yeah. That was a a due to those. Love Mary Chapin Carpenter that used to be my. Go-to to have my go-to. Karaoke song he thinks Oh caper now fashion kisses now I. Feel Lucky. Oh, we like that song. Those. Good I like Mary Chapin when I was a country music DJ play a little clip from a quitting time at the end of myself. Yet but not too much to ask was due to others did and that was actually one on her album come on come on which was. I'm well, guess was probably her biggest record i. Yeah Yeah. Songs made the country top twenty respectively reaching sixteen and fifteen and the Duet was nominated for Grammy Award for the Best Country Collaboration with vocals at the thirty Grammy Awards in Nineteen ninety-three, and that's like rears into his career for. Five years prior he was working in a foundry. Work and pumping concrete or whatever this. So the funny thing is, this is another person I know that you liked L. Day and you're not gonNa tell your husband you did David Kirsch Joe Actually wrote of the ballad goodnight sweetheart and it was on regular job but was not released as a single. Yeah. It was a top ten hit for Dave huge hit for David Kersh, a couple of years later. I think I think that takes us up to a paid in Dorsey. So. Whole tight guys. We're going to cut to commercial to pay a couple bills and we will be right back. Welcome back to the show guys. If you want to support our show, you can support us by supporting them. When we went to break there, we were talking about. Second, hand regular Joe, it got pretty positive views, correct? Yes. Yeah. I mean it was upper grammy so Brian Mansfield album positive use in all music saying that it has all shades of country music and all the good stuff to. Wonderful Review best secret line. If, you really listen to Jodi. The dude could sing he had. He had real vocal range yet vince. Gill actually said there there are plenty singers in the town but not many with arrange like his and that's huge coming from Vince Gill? Vince. FREAKING guilty on that. Man Vince Gill I remember thinking Vince Gill was so pretty Mooney Mary is Amy Grant. was. All right. So we've talked about is I to, but people might be wondering like what would job if he concert me like at this time, we actually found a review. Of A show of his from nineteen, Ninety one or the La Times noted quote. In his first crazy house crazy horse steakhouse appearance Monday, singer Joe Davies voice provoked tremendous combination. Of George, Jones Merle, haggard and Buck Owens so. I-. Veritable of Mount, Rushmore of country music there. and. The reviewers said quote his vocal range shades from a rich baritone to a supple tenor at like Jones. He has a knack for making unfettered monkey in the branches leaps through his whole range. Ballots voice takes on Haggard crusty character and whether perspective is UPTEMPO. Numbers Have Owens's striving humor sometimes laced with some of Jones's I'm a people goofiness. So you know the the review there it makes a couple cracks talking about monkeys jumping off three branches or whatever but. If you're talking about an up and coming country singer and you compare them to George Jones Merle, haggard, and Buck Owens. Holy Kreil. I, think most people would take. Yeah. We'll have him back to nineteen ninety-three. That was like a really interesting one for me because on the one hand, he received the honor of being inducted into the grand old. which every time that is mentioned I will bring up the fact that I actually got to stand. In the circle at the Gran Aubrey. Presents stood in a circle in Nashville and that's all the nearby nights tonight. Okay. It was actually really cool because they they brought out a microphone and I remember nature you're being taken. So like I've got a I've got to talk to mom about finding this picture so I could. But the point is as you stood on the exact same spot that Elvis Presley and Hank Williams and yet. Every giant Titan of country music in the history of the John Reid ever stood all. Not Singing out. So, you got that going for you, which is nice. Gun Got get is that it? Become, gender go GALANGA. Ganga. Yeah so so anyway so he's involved. But along with the benefits of selling more records and getting more airplay combs. A downside which is going GonNa talk about. And that is if you somehow get. Any monitoring of fame, you will end up having your personal life slashed all over the the supermarket checkout stands. A he was on his second marriage and that's to Debbie and any had two kids however according to the book miracle. Bobby Allison and the saga of the Alabama Gang. Author Peter Oh God Golan. Could Lord describes the origin of dickey's nineteen ninety-three Nineteen ninety-four love affair with Liz Allison widow day balanced yet for those who don't know Davey Allison was a very popular and very successful NASCAR driver who at this time died in a horrible tragic of helicopter crash. Good Lord. Yes. It in he wrote that it had to Davies funeral listen called dip. He's office seeking the sheet music to ships that don't come in favorite of Davies deviant met. Davian Liz a couple of times before you offer to sing at Davies funeral in the months that followed much disagreement. Davey Allison's family and friends Liz Solace in what evolved into a close relationship with diffey read between the lines wrought the feelings were reciprocated. Those feelings were reciprocated leaving Jones to file or legal separation. By divorce that became finalized in nineteen ninety. Psalm. Writer was ordered to pay three thousand dollars per month to cater to their divorce element, which was spending and the couple fully divorce that year, which was nineteen ninety-six. So three thousand dollars how much was Charlie Sheen supposed to? Alot. That this is a it's a pittance compared to some things, but you know thirty, six, thousand dollars a year in nineteen, ninety, three or ninety, four, I mean it's not certainly not chump change. Thank you tune of like eight grand a month transporters like three thousand dollars a month is still alive but along with that comes the fact. That he puts out another album this woman honky tonk attitude which all this is. This is about the time I started working in country radio. This is about his commercial peak really. Yeah. Yeah. hog attitudes million copies in the US and it was certified platinum. Obviously the first three singles from the album reached the top ten on the country singles chart titled Track which Divvy Actually Code and the Discipline Competition John Deere Green both peaked at number five with the next three jukebox. If I die in between John Deere Green also accounted for Davies appearance on the billboard hot one hundred where it peaked at number sixty two this is I this. This was when he had his randy travis moment actually making the pop charts. Grain peaked at number sixty, nine on the pop charts, and we are going to listen to John Deere Green Right now because it is an awesome song. So here we go. They, farm. Right down and dig. Past. Six. Everyone. On the saw. Live. In cramped. Bader Tower. On the rail. John. On A. Hot. Danny Bob Love Jar a That is the. Host. Read but it. Rda. John De. down. Oh Ada. Aden's we. Get intimate loop they would. Not Hand and blow. Day From Ron Yard. And know. What. Or Abu the. Word. Jon. BANDAID. Shark. Bud. Boys. Read it. And John. Town. No Pain and. Battle with the heart show. John. Bennett, our love Charlotte. Ladders. Shooter News butted And John. John. Boehner hot? Bennett Bob Loves Charlene A. Ladder. Home. John. And John Being Ear. Love. That on other I'M GONNA. Tell you something I'll tell you something. Did He is a guy who ended up getting pigeonholed as been? He's the guy with the mullet that the kind of funny songs first of all. You can go back as far as you want to country music. There's always been a spot for those kind of humorous. Lincoln unawed tongue-in-cheek stereotype stereotypical kinda funny songs. Like. Light or would just hard. You can go like Roger, Millar. And some of the other ones kick me Jesus to the goalpost of life and. The reason our kid you're the reason our kids are ugly and stuff. There's always I'm not I'm my own GRANDPA always been a spot for in country music for songs like we just heard. Yeah. That's like, yeah little stereotypical little cheesy little funny. But it's a good soul. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. It's it's it's the country equivalent of do Wah Wah Maupin man not bringing up man for Manchester Fan why? Why must you bring up metric for every will but? That's kind of that's kind of a Li- little song or whatever. But there's nothing wrong with there should always should always be a place for songs like that and mock Yep in my own backyard was the last release from John Attitude which reached number nineteen on the country charts divvy told the Fort Worth Star telegram the album was little rowdier than the first two I tend to agree like but but a lot of times what you do is you put out a ballot you put out the ballot first and then you work your way into other stuff I'm right That's kind of the the the way to go nash rated the album more favorably than the other ones before it saying divvy is maturing into a first rate interpreter of working class woes. Also in one, thousand, nine, hundred three DP along with several other artists. The actual won't is I. Ama award right yet nineteen ninety-three. was. For Boca End of the year for the Georgetown Song I don't need your rocking chair which you probably remember there were. It was a Possum, but then it was a bunch of other people. Yeah. You also continue having success as a songwriter. Tim McGraw also included to divvy songs on his ninety three album. Another version of memory memory lane was released as a single and tears in the rain. So he is not only a recording artists in his own right with all these accolades and hitting those. On the charts, but he's also a pretty prolific songwriter to. Still writing songs and still has people cutting his stuff including Tim McGraw, Hill who to song stream too busy songs from his debut album and he's you know a few your lighter would be among the biggest. Stars in the genre pretty much. I think he's still a massive star though Oh yeah he is still huge and his wife hot. Not that anything do anything he's not faith hill. Yeah. Yes she is. Are there still marriages oh? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They've been married. Titanium good job buddy. On Nice job man there are some was deep he's highest. Top country album we reached number six as well as his second consecutive platinum album. So he's banging out hits. Now you're become. Yeah. This album included to can take it at number one hits which were pick up man. So He's got third rock Giana and pick up man letter those two psalms zippy's longest lasting number one, four weeks and I mean that's a feet. It is hard for number one for four weeks. Both of those songs also entered the pop hot one hundred. Yeah, which again is weird in a big it's a big. It was at that time this it's very common. Now, those big deal then but third rock from the Sun got to number eighty four. Pickup man actually got to number sixty now. Am I having a fever dream or was that in an applebees commercial? Was Yes. Yes. It was used by Applebee's. They sort of re purposed it. It was a little bit of a different version. Of and then I want to say was at forward one of one of the the American car companies use that as as their fame sell for awhile while order Chevy or something. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm GonNa do I'm GonNa play third rock from the Sun Right now because itching to hear the song and we might come back to pick up man later on I don't know it is we've been talking about Jodi in real time for about three hours now. After. Yep. Rock from the Sun. I, love the song. She walks into small as one hit by the time I broken view runner sleeping through the line. He likes the way she looked. So he calls a little live says don't wait up for me. I'll be working late tonight. Why that the phone burst into tears calls or sister rubbing cries over here. Tells her boyfriend be back in. A. Beard stores, just a Mile de leaves a motor running. They'll only be a car drives away with teenagers in the driver killed his buddies got one life to live they screaming through the. Get it over with. Carlos. Santana. K, S MAG perfect sands plan you're standing around. Thanks. To Earth third. Guns a gas car starts to swerve a a semi semi-truck jobs curb. Bits a big boy in the shoney's parking lot flies through the year takes out the bank lock box structure live bowl transform stars lines down down. ooh. Where Chris calls a cop says, she saw in swears giant alien his landed. Up the mayor says panic industry. Wake. You up but we came on the. Mayor says use your head being in his car hiding from his wife down smoking's bar. Charles and. Jane Vans. Chaos make perfect sands when you stand in round. Reminder. Lured Rod. and. J. Van. Makes Burkard sands twin span in round. Thanks. L. From to Earth Rock on the Sun. Her back. To Earth third run on the side. Also. Breaks back, good, memories. that. So that one and pick up man were. Huge hits the next one was and I remember the song. I'm in love with a capital you. And then right after that, it was the road not. A those to reach number twenty one at number forty on the charts of the two later singles not as big as the first the first to. November. Still use. There's still your like those notes to. Defeat Divvy in the nineties. Yeah. This is this is his commercial peak absolutely and I. Know that one was for the most part critically well received wasn't it? Yeah 'cause he started adding more rock flourishes on the album. Nash said Divvy Not only understands the blue-collar ethics from inside out he's also familiar with it's humorous underbelly and that is. As I didn't make that up and that was a copy and paste from somewhere else But yeah like you can see his humor and that is something that a lot of country artists. Take themselves I. This is my opinion strictly opinion. I feel like a lot of musical artists in general just take themselves too seriously and Azure when like when Eminem came out with his slim shady he That was that was supposed to be funny and then people are like. Hurl clutching and like Europe. And he was like I got the humor in it and then other people are like. Louis. Well Yeah. But like I said earlier you like I said, though earlier, country has always been a John were. They've always been people who are willing to take themselves not terribly seriously. And that goes to the biggest artists imaginable. Through about Garth Brooks is did It's midnight Cinderella. And To the CON- working on a full houses of X. Sort of a jokey kind of funny song. This is not unusual in country. Really. By mid ninety five actually recorded the title track for Columbia records running wide open, which is an album comprising NASCAR theme songs by various artists. A he issued two albums later in the year. Sorry. It's Christmas music and I hate hate everybody that listens to our our December episodes. No I hate Christmas music with a passion and he put out a Christmas album. titled. Mus Yep it is big. There was a big hit on that one. What was it called? Leroy the redneck reindeer. Yup. Yup. It was a hit when it came out and it was because it would get recurrent airplay around the Christmas holidays every year it made the charts for a couple years after it came out. Yeah. Peaking at number thirty three on its initial release, and then reentering the charts for the next two years based on Christmas airplay, which is a thing and I hate it I hate I hate that they start Christmas music the day after Halloween stop it well, you can walk into you can walk into most stores around how live they're already selling Halloween candy but So his next that was a Christmas album, his next full fully studio album it was life so funny, right Yeah, which was. Another awesome song, which is bigger than the Beatles I love that song because that was the lead single from lots of funny. That's really tongue-in-cheek Song to cause remember John. Lennon said that we're bigger than God and brought in trouble and people started like burning the Beatles albums because they were sacrilegious. Joseph coming in saying that he's bigger than the Beatles which you know if you're taking a humorous look at that, he's basically saying that he's bigger than God. Those one reviewer said that bigger than the Beatles he he gave it a C. minus writing. Called it. Quote. Just a lame device to vote the names of beloved rocky riots. because. You know there's a line in there they gotta love bigger than the Beatles wild and free like a rolling stone. They gotTa love that takes them higher than the eagles, right. So they managed to work in the Stones Eagles in the Beatles and like three lines and it should be it should be said there are two other singles on this which were. A U.. N. T. R. Y. and a whole lot of gone, which was the B side of bigger than the Beatles. And, and this is we've already talked about you know he's had a gold album and he's had a couple of platinum albums. This is getting a little later in the nineties and you know if he's popularity. At least commercially drops off just a hair at this point 'cause. You in unt are wide whole lot gong were huge hits and they still did relatively well like it twenty three on the charts. The like not hitting number one right out the gate like they used to. Yeah and the album doesn't I think doesn't go platinum which is previous to. I think it went gold, but it didn't selfies biggest to to predecessor side. Yeah evidently luckily, though for him about this time like movies and TV start catching onto his popularity run nets where Ford, you're asking which one before Ford Motor Company used pickup man as. She Ain't coming back was the theme for one of my favorite movies of all time. It's probably my top ten films of all time, which is twister. Wardrobe parks. And Debbie actually acted opposite was idols in a TV movie and then idol was. Johnny cash. So I know that you're a huge fan of twist or that's one of your favorite movies but. If he did a song for that soundtrack and then he did. A enacting bit with one of his idols Johnny cash in a TV movie. But he said that those. who did not really revive creative spirit so he created third rock entertainment. He said quote, I was feeling a bit of staleness both in my career in my everyday life, I felt like it was time to make some kind of moves Some people thought that he quote wooden stick with running his own show business company. but it has been good to me man I. Enjoy it. I'm at the office everyday. It's been so refreshing and helped me in. So many ways I feel like I've my finger own my own pulse. However show business was not if he's only work he also continued organizing events and raising money for first steps Which is a charity That benefits children with both mental and physical. Disabilities Yeah Divvy Son Tyler actually has down syndrome so that would make sense like it's Will mention that a bit more here shortly in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven, country radio broadcasters order defeat their humanitarian award for his years of charitable work and we'll come back to this. But something he pretty much did throughout his entire career was to embrace the philanthropic side of things which you know if you're like him and you've had. A, you know a nice career and you've managed to make a pretty nice coin and all that kind of stuff. It's it's cool that you don't decide like well, I'm going to buy sixteen race horses and twelve porsches. You actually take some of the money that you've got any. You do good things with which it looks. He did pretty much throughout his career. So I laugh and a joke about how last week was terrible or what's the opposite of laughing and joking that last week terrible. But one thing that made it harder slash better was that I was actually doing cheery scavenger hunt called a gish the greatest. International. SCAVENGER hunt. That's actually that's actually promoted by she collins who is an actor on the TV show supernatural and he is he on incredible things with Gish because every all the money that is made with get through gish goes to the charity random axe and and has done so much stuff. So like I will always respect someone who has taken that that road of philanthropy to help other people out when they're in a position like that to be able to help. So absolutely a soap. Do all this iffy. Took pretty much a year off from his music career, which is pretty unusual for somebody who's rotten as high. Running his high a crest as he was at that point but he puts out the his seventh album it's hard to. Imagine. That he was up to number seven at that point, but he was what they called twice penalised twice. Yeah, it is an time he was looking for songs that dealt with everything about being human suggesting his such a broad was that word topic. Years Looking for songs dealt with everything about being human, which makes me wonder was he at this point not writing his own songs because that that statement may do that is for for somebody who as good as songwriter is your? That's a weird state that the makeup looking for songs that dealt with everything about being human. Yeah which makes me wonder like that year off was the also taking off from writing. So it didn't like backlog that some people have of. New Songs I. Mean He's also he's also running pretty good songwriter circles right sure. He is. But Doug Verdon and drew womack. Who Their record on epic in the band sons of the desert sign backing vocals on this album and a lot of you're probably going light who sons of the desert. They had a couple of country hits on their own. If you've ever heard them male background singers own I hope you dance by Leeann Walnut. Yes Yup, that's something that that is sons of the desert. Fun fact about I hope you dance. My Mom will burn that CD for me every birthday that I have until the day that I die. Every year. Ese of of Leeann Wimax, a holy Nance. As on I have like thirty discs with that song. A we're also starting to move into. The age of the Internet where we're starting to get like voucher could start. That's coming into being this point but. One reviewer said once again, defeat has successfully blended wit and heart. Songs like Houston. We have a problem but everybody didn't love this album. The one review I just read had a you know fairly high opinion of a couple of the songs but I don't think ill do the every review were shared that doesn't sound like now and the album. If if I recall correctly, the album was actually a commercial disaster. It did not do like none of the singles made the top ten, which is which is really really rare. I. Mean the first. Four album scored number one hits at Liza one track. So but you go back and thanked when we were talking about his first album, which had two number one hits including the first single he ever release. Puts this one out and it songs like this is your Brian which was laid off single. It only got number fives. and. Then something like this got to number forty there. The Promised Land only got the number sixty one which was the lowest peaking single job. If his career I mean on the upside, there's no way to go other than up. Right But the album didn't even might. Even reach gold status. So his previous four had gone gold platinum platinum gold and this one was a little bit of a commercial dud. Yeah. And and what's crazy is like there's did the song I gotta feeling that had Tracy Lawrence on it. which was on his nineteen, ninety, four album I. See it. Now, what will you know? Well, that it had say that was own Tracy Lawrence's asset now album yet, but you you're collab- like that like revamping it, you should get carryover from defense and Lawrence fans you would think so but that one, the the he's just really hit on much on that one in mid ninety, eight epic records released this greatest hits package. So a lot of times greatest hits is almost a death knell when it's like your record company. Thanks like all right. Well, we've got about all the good news stuff we can get out of this person let's. Put out all the old crowds. We can make a little money off of it. I got two thoughts on this I. Agree I, agree with you partially because I remember I think nine hundred, ninety four mom bought me fleetwood MAC's greatest hits. Are, this is fleetwood Mac or something like that, and so that I agree with you but then I remembered the Dixie chicks also put one out and that was in like two, thousand and three. That was when they were like. They were already hitting it. So I mean well. One of the biggest selling albums of all time is one of the two biggest selling albums in the history of music is. The Eagles greatest hits. Like that and and thriller. Obviously. So that doesn't always main light. All right. Well, you've pretty much stiffed on doing new stuff. So let's just milk some of your old crowd to make a few bucks. That's not. Always the case but. You know it right here. This it's mid nineteen, Ninety, eight and epic records did put out this. He's greatest hits package but they had a couple of new cuts which greatest hits albums only do one of those Texas size heartache. got. To. Number four on the charge. It had poor made which only got to number forty three but I actually remember that what has been a pretty good saul I I of like for me. At the end of the year, iffy. Recorded the cover of the Charlie rich song behind closed doors for the multiple artist album attributed tradition on Columbia records a different version of the song without any promotion and without any push from his record company actually got to number sixty four based on completely unsolicited airplay was pretty impressive. So there's there's like no promotional arm behind that at all and it was still a moderate hit. He also contributed to another cut on that album of and then same old train which featured Marty Stuart and eleven. Other country music singers is a song he attributed to it peaked at number fifty, nine on. Country Charts, but it won the nineteen ninety nine Grammy Award for best country collaboration with vocals. As the I'm curious about that. Because is there a country collaboration without vocals grammy? It's just it's it's fifteen people playing mandolin. It's got and you start to have a juice harp in a washboard right at a washboard. I'm actually actually do know this song and it's a really good song. I remember it was a of thing Mardi Stewart put together but it's him at a bunch of other people Jodi being one of them and it went at one a grammy and I, believe I had one a May award. I think this was this earth cramming. Yeah. Made before the marriage haven. So I think his his final album with ethic is coming up at this point, right? Yeah. It's a night to remember in nineteen, ninety nine as he did with all the new cuts for his greatest hits he worked with producer John Cook and Lonnie Wilson of Brenda Davies who are primarily as a session drummer and songwriter, and he was he formally fronted the band Bandanna to discredit twenty nine weeks on the country chart peaking at number six. Is Only, top forty on the hot one hundred where it reached thirty eight. So really in terms of the pop charts, this was his one hit this. This is. The one hit wonder on the pop charts obviously had a ton of country hits on the pop charts. This is the one hit wonder jody's one hit right I remember no because. Only one that made the top forty on the pop charts wasn't the top chart. Always on billboards one hundred is what I'm thinking. Gobert hot one hundred. Yes. So that this is his one song that cracked the top forty pop charts actually yeah which is thirty eight and I. that's that's respectable. There are some we talked about the highest that's higher than they ever charted. So right after that came quitting kind and it's always something which respectively twenty one on the country charts and ninety and fifty seven on the hot one hundred, and later spent thirty seven weeks on the country music chart the longest chart run achieved by any of his single so like. This was massive for him. and. This one he actually got positive for reviews. Country Standard Tom gave the album a positive reviews saying quote Neri novelty tune in the bunch a Nash wrote that it had a surprising depth of feeling with one other reviewer noting that the album did not contain any novelty songs and said it is quote the purest country album overnight which I mean yeah. Grow as an artist but man remember what? Gotcha there. Need me a, prop me up beside the jukebox odor but but he had a a more serious side. He would always kind of Pogo between the kind of funny. Cool. Gaza novelty song, in the you know the big serious country valid. So this was it wasn't like out of character for -sarily and so in two thousand, one, some kind of weird happens. Sunday national transferred dizzy from its epic division to the Monument Records Division due to a corporate decision just sort of randomly that epic had too many artists and monument had do few. Now this being said like that from what I understand when it comes to light record labels such when you have a conglomerate like Sony epic, Capital Monument when you had all these Things you could be seen as a monopoly now. So did he's only album for monument was titled in another world regarding this album if you told billboard. Material had a common theme of love and that he wanted to create a more contemporary sound through the production of albums. Title Track peaked at number ten on the country charts and number sixty, six on the billboard pop hot one, hundred only one other single was released from the album that being this pretender which was written by Lavar from a rascal slaps. You're actually failed to make the top forty, which is one of the few singles. If he released that didn't make the country top forty, which is crazy because I mean now we look back rascal flats is huge. Yeah, exactly. So you would think Gary Lizzo rights one of it would probably be a hip that one really was. In, another world received mixed reviews country weekly reviewers wrote that diffey quote deals with adult emotions and described the title track as quote a shimmering balanced perfect for his expressive tenor William Rubin called the album quote sturdy formula country and Jeffrey Iran's of Country Standard Time. said that quote he easily interprets the songs, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything too dramatically different of after monument closets national. Branch Disney began touring with Mark Chestnut and Tracy Lawrence, a couple of other big of stars from the nineties on the rocking roadhouse tour, which started in two thousand two Disney's Doug it into the Oklahoma music call sign. Up for some reason, I vaguely remember that tour yet will just not in Tracy, Lawrence where both a pretty big deal. Around the same time the Disney was. So that was his last album for monument or where to go after that after monument. He got inducted into the Oklahoma Hall of fame like you said, but he he signed to independent record company which can have its. Pros and cons doing doing the independent record. Is You're not GonNa get as much shelf space as you would, if you were with epic or capital or Sony. At so but he won't brilliant perhaps did a little bit more artistic freedom. You get you get more freedom to do what you want, which I don't think if he ever really ran into that problem of. Kind of being shackled to one thing. I think he kind of always have the freedom to won't because right out the gate he was he was a proven. Singer songwriter. So I don't think he actually had that kind issue. But he he signed with broken bow records in two thousand three and it's only album for that label was tougher than nails which Wilson he produced with buddy cannon. And included five songs. He Co wrote as well as duet with George Jones So he actually gets to work with George Jones. What was the name of the song they did? What would waylon do? Awesome it's just a great. Great get into saying about why than what George John's you've? You've essentially reached country NORBA. At Yeah I actually think there's probably a level of for that like hanging out with garth brooks burning one with John Prime. And then actually singing about Waylon Jennings Georgetown's. The only top part is actually being waylon jennings. It's kind of like Buddha. Containable it is unattainable. Only by those who are actually Waylon Jennings. It had a top twenty hit. In its title track which are offered the nails followed by if I can only bring you back, which was number like it peaked at number fifty and only spent eight weeks on the charts I mean we spent eight weeks on the charts footed spent eight weeks on the charts. The latter song was also his last charting single, and with that review, it was said that there's nothing new but there doesn't need to be. And I kinda like that. I like that contrary standard Tom said about that album. A says that he still got the talent that took him to start in the first place. So both of those sorta acknowledge like, Hey, you know divvy he's always been good in this album is good. Yeah what I, what I take from that he's not doing anything that is revolutionary but he still maintaining a good quality sound. I think there's something to be said that he didn't. Gus Far other than like. The splashy tabloid pages about him having an affair run like he's he doesn't seem to have fallen into the trappings of. Other artists. which you seem to be the drinking and the drugs. and. So I. Mean I think he's done pretty well at this point, he is what he was born in fifty eight to he's in his forties at this point. Yeah. Yeah. So I. Mean He's done I feel like he's done pretty good and. He stayed at. And it keeps doing well because with the the thing you forget about sometimes with artists like this will that that single didn't do right yet but you know what? He still writing songs and in. Five Jodi Messina released a song. He wrote call my give a dams busted. Don't actually that one actually went to number one. I did not know he wrote that until I was doing the research on this. So so he's continuing to have success and air go make money. Yeah. How are riding by rotting songs that are big kids Auroras? Yeah. And he actually ended up leaving broken bow but he continued door. Okay. So he gets into a cycle that a lot of country artists get into at this point when they're. not, necessarily a huge anymore, and that's he hits what you would consider fair circuit. Yeah, you play you fight county fires you country fires you by state fairs. You played lots of concerts where people are watching pygmy rice in elevators. there. Is Nothing wrong with? Szott there's really not but you know what? I saw my first concert at like my first real concert at a county fair which was who did the trashy allied Mohammed just little alone federal railroad yes. Confederate railroad was the first concert ever went. Oh Wow. Okay. At of Contra at a country fair and it wasn't the county it was at the county fair. I think it was the pickens county fair if I oh wow. Okay. If I'm not mistaken but yeah, I mean like. Lonestar. Charlie. Daniels is all he just passed and Craig Morgan he joined up with all them to perform a benefit concert for Sergey Kevin Downs, a soldier who was severely wounded in Iraq but this is also kind of keeps up what he had started the we've already talked about a little bit is that hey, is at this point given his time to raising money for worthy causes. From Ninety two until two thousand into the two thousands and. He held a charity concerts and a golf tournament benefiting first steps, which we talked about earlier, a nonprofit organization for the education of mentally and physically impaired children his contributions to this organization one him that humanitarian award from the Country Radio Broadcasters of American ninety-seven and that calls in particular was was sort of a personal one for him, right? Yeah. Because in eighty nine before he, he even struck it big. A Tyler was actually born with Down's syndrome. You. So I can see whether it'd be really close to his heart jor. So if he was quoted as saying I was just devastated I heard downs and felt the world had ended. However, he embrace the role is the father of a special needs child it also kind of became a touchstone for his fan and kind of a cool thing was that he his a lot of his fans who had down syndrome children started bringing them to to. His concerts with him off. And he said quote Tyler is a beautiful child I couldn't be proud. Of. So an eight he compiled and released a live album and he signed with rounder records letter that year around her I think primarily bills with bluegrass music. So this is Kinda represented him going back to his roots. 'cause we talk. Seven hours ago about. that he played with His early bands, you know when he played with his dad who played like the settle and stuff condition it was spending. Hand and played with. The, his earliest influences were Gospel and Bluegrass. Rounder. Which is probably best known for being I. Think the longtime home of Alison crawls which was a bluegrass album and he actually did kind of bluegrass. Record now, but his first one was the ultimate collection, which was just the re recordings from his visits from epic it he's a recorded. The old stop it. You're you're brilliant. Put Out. Well, there's there's a, there's a sometimes artists have contracts things where it's like well, I WANNA put up my greatest tips album but I was on three different labels over the course of my career and I can't get the right from all those different places, right? This is not uncommon. If you boss sticks his greatest hits. Lady is not original version. They they had to re record because some little label that they was the first one that were own put that single out and wouldn't give up the rights to the song but they it was it was okay if they re recorded it but there's a contractual thing with certain people where it's like, okay. Well, I WANNA do like a career retrospective greatest hits album but I was on three different labels of course of my career and they won't I don't own the rights to certain songs and they won't release this label release they songs from it to do so. But if I just re record the songs that I can do that way, they can't stop me from. Doing the song exactly. The same way I did when I recorded it for them it's it's it's a weird little out sort of that. Then he did homecoming the bluegrass album. This is when he gets back to his roots right now this is this is two, thousand ten. So we're doing real close to the president, right but he did the homecoming bluegrass album he. Collaborated with Rhonda Vincent and the Grass Goals a couple of titans of bluegrass music pretty much and then this point various county fires in August of two, thousand, ten in support of this bluegrass album he co produced album with Luke wooten included the song Tennessee tea which tiffy originally recorded while he was in the group special edition out. told me. Albeit reviewer j poet said, this album was positive he he had a good impression of it. So he still had the critics at this point but if he wasn't getting airplay, it sounded like when we did the other way when we did our own John Prime, we'll talk about the fact that later in his career, he had a little bit of a rebirth because there were younger artists who were influenced by him would talk him up on stage who would mention him that would cover a songs Casey Musk's actually had a song called Burma with John Brown and as it turned out Joe Dizzy had something very similar happened right now is Jason Aldean's who is In two, thousand, twelve e wrote the song recorded the song, nine, hundred, ninety four, and that was actually released in two thousand thirteen. So it was released a year later you third singer from aldean's night drain and it named drops divvy incorporate several song titles into the lyrics. So so at this point in two, thousand, thirteen out just lane is about as big as you get in country music and he puts out this song nineteen ninety-four that namedrop drops iffy at it makes a bunch of his songs. So again, if you're if you haven't had his in a really long Tom and one of the biggest artists of. The. Era I. I think it's safe to say that about nine relative to the twenty teens puts out a song that that mentioned your name references, a bunch of your home's a that's a big deal because it it actually mentions pickup man a night to remember Hajduk attitude the the one thing I thought was funny. I. Don't particularly love that song by all day. This was not long after teach me how to do it comes out right now. One of the dancers in the studio is wearing a shirt that says, teach me how to defeat. Pretty. Funny. It's funny. Also could like if you know how joe defeat dances he doesn't dance. He kinda like shakes. Yeah. It wasn't just alday was in almost every big act of that era was. Kind of putting their stamp of approval Luke Bryan Lady a nice. and. I don't care what anybody says I, actually love Florida Georgia line. I love him I think they're on a why don't you go hand in and? Rip. Off Some of the lyrics force allow one. Okay. I'll do my best interpretive ago reading Jodi coming out of my radio I'm just a country boy with farmer's Tan. So help me girl I'll be your pickup man how about a night to remember and fifth goose and I think they're talking about grey goose if you're wondering. What now bust out? My honky tonk attitude and a little fuel good. You Ain't never felt before I'm talking nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four. Hey Joe Joe, Joe. Joe. Joe. Joe Jeffey Jo. Jo Jody Jiffy girl don't you worry now has your ship just came in so go tell your Mama. Tell all your friends. Your new favorite color is John Deere Green helping this truck? Aka. Time machines. So that references like seriously what like like ten different Since the don't come in. So help me girl. John Dean kind. Yeah. Pick up man on night to remember. Again not my favorite home necessarily but it kinda throws the spotlight back Joe TV to younger audiences who maybe were not. Tremendously familiar with them, but they became familiar with him. Dizzy said quote Nice shot in the arm and it's amazing to me the impact that it's had a lot of fans are coming to my shows now to see who that dude it is that Jason and Thomas Talking about DC. Said noting that Thomas Rhett Co wrote the song and often plays it in his shows. He said quote the really amazing thing is the fans know every song that are saying we'll go to a place and there'll be a bunch of younger people and they'll every single word. Obviously they've gone back done some research or downloaded something. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Now that that that then and I think I think certain artists from. The days of your and by that I mean nine, hundred, ninety, four. Really, do benefit from streaming services like spotify an Iheartradio and Pandora because if you say. James Dean at might actually just start looping UN to job divvy. Up He's like millennials who are streaming of May have never heard this before. That are getting exposed to it. Now, right will later in the year different collaborated with a couple of his I would say kind of early nineties, stars, Aaron. Tippin semi. Kershaw. Album all in the same boat and they cut the single girl riding shotgun with D. Thrash of the JAW kgab always. Of, idea that is but. have. I said you're done correctly. That was followed in twenty nineteen by a final album called Joe Joe Joe Divvy, the title obviously inspired by the Danes all. which is such a great. Snake eating snakes tale. That we also say that through his life divvy was married four times up. So he had Janice Parker. In he he married in college I think it was nine, hundred, seventy, seven Rut, and then they had two children, Parker Carol and they divorced in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six and then parker divvy later work as divvy on road manager in the mid two thousand. His one of his son Parker was his one of his road managers. Yeah. It was pretty cold that he always got kind of a family. Affair. Going on on on the road, which is awesome. End in the mid two, thousand ten or the off against he and Cara auditioned for American idol which that's a couple years before actually came on the show. So I came in season fourteen I think they came in prior. So A. Two years after divorcing Janice. he married Debbie a nurse technician they had. Drew Tyler. and. Then in two thousand dippy married Theresa met at a concert at Opera Land Hotel in Nashville, they had a daughter Kylie Four and they divorced in two, thousand, seventeen and then divvy. Terra again, I'm going to butcher this lies Turpin. Over the. Musicians. Hall of fame in Nashville in two thousand, eighteen as she's a little cutie I will say, I've seen her do interview slow cutie a a little bit after this. He gets into righty Iraq in a different way that he had previously. Yeah. He was a he actually took your job which was k. x. b. l. midday radio host. So he would record his show from Nashville and he'd also doing on the road as he toured which is. Kind of podcasting. Sort of he was voice tracking but yeah, just just it's Casting except on the idea. But. But it was that was kind of a homecoming for him to be on that particular radio station, right? Yeah. Divvy actually recalled the first one that he ever actually heard his own song on the radio was big country sister station Cave Eeo. So that's kind of cool I mean I can. I can imagine what it's like hearing your song on the radio for the first time. he actually said about that when they played home which was one of the early songs. That's when it hit me that I was on my way if he said I wanted to trauma hand voice work for a while now. So when big country approved to host it same like the perfect time and the perfect place, it's even better that they're allowing me to do it remotely. So I can continue to tour as much as ever whether I'm at and national her on the road. It's so awesome to know that my mom and my family com can listen to me everyday. Abbott changes like that. Yeah, and we're unfortunately now at the point where we are inevitably and every one of these episodes which was on. Were Up to two thousand and twenty, and we know what the series we're doing right now is about. With. Yeah. On on March twenty seventh if he made it clear announcement on his instagram that he was suffering from the coronavirus. which this is like this is early early because we just started hearing about like we weren't in lockdown yet. We didn't have wear masks or anything yet on. The tournament was delayed at this point and not. Canceled and all of stuff. Yeah. But he he made that announcement that he was suffering from the coronavirus Niro I'm under the care of medical professionals and currently receiving treatment after testing positive for corona virus, which is covid nineteen, my family, and I are asking for privacy at time. We WanNA remind the public and all my fans to be vigilant cautious and careful during this pandemic two days. Later, he passed away from complications of the disease he left behind a wife and five children the youngest who was born in two thousand and four. Now, not surprisingly, the tributes poured in from a fellow artist Elaine shirt attribute to defeat by posting the cover, the singer second studio album regular, Joe Twitter he said. A quote man what? A race awake Kenny Rogers and now fifty and. Yeah, it's easy to forget that. Those who the weight and it's also like I remember. Seeing the twitter feed you know what and thinking Oh my God. This is the first high profile person that's past royal covid nineteen like Disney is the your he really was. Alayne caption, the photo of quote. This guy was an amazing singer and an even greater person such a sandwich for the country music world. Brad Paisley tweeted quote I'm devastated by the loss of my friend I can't find adequate words but the records he made that voice, the twenty colon is I and our memories can not taken away by this disease Dr Strength who toured with difficulty in the nineties posted a photo on instagram picturing the to performing together. He said quote we had a lot of great times together, both stage and all stage. This is one of my favorite photos of Joe. Dizzy and may on stage together to start a hangs in my office to this day Hashtag. RPG Dizzy I'll never forget you. kids urban wrote quote can't believe the news about Joe Dizzy my heart breaks for your family and friends and fans count me right in there too you the real deal. And Toby Keith said we are failing now. Oklahoma. Boy Job has asked why from this virus my kids grew up around his parents. Ma. Prayers will be with his family a great traditional voice will live on. because I'm putting this music on now here's a beer to your job. You'll get your reward, and then if you haven't seen this, go ahead and get some Kleenex. Dante's daughter. Keira. started. To social media on Thursday April second honor the life and legacy of her father in psalm singing acapella version of his debut single. Complete Gut Punch if you haven't seen that yet. And check out our facebook page. I will try to link that up I'll try to grab a link from that so that you can you can check that out and we can all be destroyed. So. So jodie passes very sad. Time everybody kind of look back and you think about where you were when you heard us on. All the nostalgic stuff. And then we'll get into some. I'm trying to think of a nice way to say really stupid bullshit, but there's not an decide that. But Why don't you go ahead and lay out the last of that because after he died these conspiracy theories starting to pop up that he had to die of something other than covid nineteen because there has been like a group of people I think gets chewing on. That are saying that people are you know they'll die in a car accident and they'll get. Their caused will be covid wanting. To boost numbers but WHO's getting paid in this? Who is making a good conspiracy theory you need to follow the money. that. Just is not the case there. So they became so persistent that his family had to come out. And say something about them in opposed on instagram his widow terra calling the reports that he died of anything by the coronavirus fake news, which is like tossing it back to the other side using Mike their terminology. I've seen multiple posts in it's upsetting all of us and you have to think like if you're if if someone is in the news in there, like you guys are lying about his cause of death that is so because you're already dealing with the death loved one you're you're you're her your if you're hurry, you're grieving the deaths of your husband your husband just dot your spouse is dead and people were you know he didn't really die from that? Can You? Imagine having to deal with anything like that to talk this. Horrible. No I I hate I hate being that they had to go through that and the other thing was that there were reporting his death so that they could boost funding. So not only are they saying, Oh, you're lying about what he died of. They're also saying you're lying died of to make money right like a she's in crackers, and then they also said that he he died of lung cancer. In his widow dealt with that pretty directly right Oh. Yes. She was like his father had the same name. He was the one that passed in two thousand eighteen to lung cancer. That is. So if you go look on Joe is a bit Ury, it tells you he died. So basically dumb people who couldn't. Just googled jody death. Until he died of lung cancer, we read like two sentences lighter. You would have saying that the age was wrong the year was Bertha death was wrong that age was incorrect. And the. Scored a alike him but not exactly right. But that's just ridiculous. But he got so bad that the websites knows had to do an investigation. Do you know how? Do. You know how far-reaching something has to be to end up on slopes like we're at the same. We're talking about the same website that had to investigate whether or not the woman. Jill. Was Jill Joe Saint John whether or not she died during shooting the bond because they painted her gold, her skin couldn't breathe Like this is the website and then they had to label it false because. Because because stupid. Game. Stop spreading misinformation on the does predict especially it right in the wake of somebody dying it's like. If you could try to be a human being and remember that there are people who gravy because loved ones dot added you not make stupid crap like that. That would be great. So so snipes. Marking that is completely fault and and I guess I gotTa go until we actually started looking into this elderly I didn't realize that there was a conspiracy theory angle and all that was a I. I kind of Miss that I'm glad. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I mean we'll ask the same with like that's not just related to Joe Divvy that is to most of the coronavirus it's like, oh, doctor Fauci is lying about masks so we can sell but the masks from China so that Felt like no shut up where your Your mask on I get. So I get angry about this as I call myself down dippy was remembered in Minne- tribute stories for the wit humor that he brought to many of his songs. I. Mean We talked about that lie to. John Deere Grain Third Rock from the Sun, the Rock from the Sun tells a great story I love it. But a lot of people remembered him for his witness humor in his mullet and which I think he was still sporting when he passed away up like okay. We have not discussed a is higher and that is coming out. Have to say that that is one of the most lustrous Alabama waterfalls I've probably ever seen. It is it is stunning that was full on business in the front and a gigantic by that was A. That was like a nineteen, ninety nine rave in the bag and like a fortune five, hundred company in the sense that was like he would fit like fit right in on. On. The nineteen eighty-seven Rostro. The Detroit Red Wings. Hockey Quality Mola. That's. Why I'm going to make a bold statement right now he had a better mullet than billy ray Cyrus. Over There I said it. Will. Have a better mullet than Keith Hernandez Nineteen ninety-six well, now dominated. Let's not be ridiculous. I mean, but I'm GONNA. Confidante of Mullah's I'm in I'm not saying that that Jodi if he would have won the heisman trophy of mullets, I am saying he would probably. All. America. I will say this one of his biggest hits was brought me up beside the Jukebox Die Yup I think that is the. Absolute most appropriate way to in this episode. I can't. There's there's literally nothing else. I can even think of US ending on. So, I'll just give out our social stuff and then we close out Mr. Dickey who by all accounts just seems like A great songwriter, talented singer, and one hell of a guy. Have you guys were doing awesome and you WANNA give us money but we kinda doubted after today. Probably not wearing our thirteen of recording this podcast. It has taken US longer to record this episode it. Jerry Lewis Telethon own. Again. Well. We can have our own mini tells at Patriot Dot com slash rock and roll heaven. You could find us on twitter at rock and Roll Heaven Lt Our instagram rock and Roll Heaven Teed facebook rock and roll heaven qualified still not saying our website. You can email me all of your complaints about today's episode at Russell. DOT, com. And all business nation will be in our show notes about what do fast we check out all the other awesome podcasts on the Pantheon Network at rock and roll archaeology DOT COM Again, my many thanks to t j two and Mr Wills girl who's been pretty quiet the last art. I think he's tired. I was watching the show you guys were. Running with that so is an all in. It was a lot. It was lot Jim Moga? I'm you say I don't know if my my computer has this much memory. So it probably doesn't have this laws is lost memorium perhaps for the best. Yeah So, here we go with brought me up beside the jukebox. If I die God bless you joked he were going to miss you. Frayed of dying. It's the thaw. Mona Go. On being. My G's. Don't spread my ashes out to see. Don't Lamy down to read. My mind. Fill last week ways. May. Die. All. Of Your. Their. WHO Booed as. A. ARC's there by. This then Ma The. Memory all the. Try. A man. member. I'll be live. Even. Win. Side. Bob's them down. To Go. Signed. Young next. 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LCB 196 - Top 5 Least Favorite Will Smith Movies, Breaking Bad Movie & Gemini Man Review and SHREK Is In Venom 2?! with @FeitsBarstool
"Can get me out of this message is off your sh might pay you I'm not I'm I'm not dumb on route fifty and beyond South Beach Beverage company a drink manufacturer based in Norwalk Connecticut Oh I just saw authentic headquarters in purchase New York were they from I just think it was like one guy like in some four hundred square foot office in New York City with bedbugs that was like so drink it's going to be ice tea guests and it's going to be made of the best stuff on earth even though nobody can really quantify what that actually and it was in the mid nineties and people really yeah it's like have you read the story on snapple a it's just a complete marketing genius thing I'm pretty sure looking for a healthy alternative to Fuk in surge so the ship they this is where the downfall was ready in so you might as well save one hundred twenty calories ships perfect marketing Ken Jack Trill everyone here I know what goes on good byes camera barstool episode one ninety-six Mr Fight over in studio you couldn't tell if the top say hello I didn't know what was happening to me Snapple Zone by cure Dr Pepper which I didn't know is a company Yeah Bind Wildcard Dr Pepper why he'll combo while they combine those two also I didn't who loves the crunch perfect innocence up and the next year's eat them raw yeah you're getting at thirteen hundred calorie supper lunch this one forgot what we thought here Fan yes yes well we're going we don't need roads applejack apple the actual thought of it being snappy apple I think it was originally an apple juice that was meant to be sub sobe life water man he's around I had one sobe life water in my entire life and it was that one that was like good because I in the last three they've always they've always I've always liked them but it's like in the last three years they've taken on a little more of crispier texture now before they didn't have texture I Trojan horse their way into the American life with they would always sold at some shops for man like me welcome the lights hope that was a little low host go oh guy coconut one thing that my lips I read a hockey camp and I was like twelve and kids immediately started making fun of me that I was drinking against like what what's the big apple juice brand yeah yeah the the apple juice kingpins over Matz big apple yeah big apple what's honestly how everybody's gone to non carbonated beverages eight years old when I learned that actually didn't know about either and that's something that you think I would Joseph ex-boss Bait movie goes to Baby Vegas and just get apple juice bottle service much I've been been kind of like revitalizing my fall wardrobes find a few sweaters here and there yeah I gotta taste no I'm a big coconut guy we are we are hot start so be I don't think we've ever yeah you know what would it start off as like the South Beach Water company or something like that sounds like it sounds like a day pool party I I was GonNa say how much enjoy my big plays I I don't like baked no winded big lay ski smoke may I have some sick Montanelli I thought I was drinking champagne until I was sixteen and finally unreal champagne much better we'll wait both both I'm like I'm a crew neck with the button-down Guy I'm a crew neck all the time I think the V. 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HP In that Toyota you're going to be talked about sobe on the PA I love Sobe Gecko across the front of the Gecko riders st like a fucking Salomon crawling across your drink in high flow air filter for car o good became less impressive right around the pudding no of of top I have a pair of Jordan Jordan fives in my high school colors I have have a key anything else going on those those good little food bands you've chosen senior isn't he plus tweeted out the other day every single movie in TV show that will be on their platform and it was like seven hundred eight hundred it's just very well mine oh my God what's on tap for Apple Juice Martin O.. Champagne Martin Martin Martinelli Fancy CIDER. That's Jim gemstones very easy one to do that that's done that'll be this weekend you can you tell Fai over the the name for the succession podcasts I wanted to do yes the with the folks the one in the Mall Round San Marcus smart something I don't know that saying tweets in one thread normally when you hear that you're like well that's dumb it ended up being an incredibly good marketing strategy because people were talking about on twitter on instagram campaign charters nicely okay John Henry you can have one glass glaze we'll keep that on the mind but at the end of the pod the three of us are before we kick you out talk succession the three of us are going to present our picks or a throwback review Sunday in John You get to pick which I cry mazdas getting eleven. MP miles a gallon it's going to be nuts he's going to be eerily Sleiman with some Jergens cry awhile so it was a big deal we went through Ken Jack and I we picked out about twenty movies we're GonNa play a game with the two of you will we're going to say a movie and read the All I did was like just making a Malcolm of movies that I thought of and I think I think I'm going to do well here I don't know if you'll get any of them the incredible journey nineteen sixty three movie it's got talked to talking dogs that's not supposed to be snappy apple that's the portmanteau whatever it's called whatever that term is I don't like that one I don't like that yeah I like snapple no I think just founded just found to golf ball somewhere under says like up going on the shelf literal world has Gemini Man for a long time typical news top five lease David Will Smith movies and we're to play a little game John Trill you're gonNA play a little game here for this Woah get right into our news this episode brought to you in part by checks mix Max that's right it's all over the office these checks Max bags is averse to bring this shocking experience to life and includes Buffalo ranch and spicy deal ranch it's buffalo without the nasty blue cheese ranch instead there's a show I would like to binge there's some shows I like yeah yeah drama aspect in the week to week and there are other shows where I'm like you know what I wanted to hammer this out in an afternoon okay so we got L. Camino breaking bad movie that I say that it's out yes sir okay because I say story that's what Star Wars does we got JEHMU man huge ones we've been thinking about the best handful variety out there checks mix checks believe sameness as boring so they exist to make different amazing checks mattress developed a new product as I said before a heavily distributed thank God for sure didn't Disney make that to homeward bound or a belief so police so that's a WBZ Disney plus denise I recognize a lot from watching TV cartoon school and then I hit two point eight hundred ninety s I have no fucking idea what half those are we're going to play that after all this all the in convenience stores for young dudes or ladies looking for snacks that a shock their senses the new checks Max Texture flavors and unique view can be up to you so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA present ours yeah you're the one that gets to pick this week what we talk about let's let's get an ad read though off the top so we can get right into a season finale. Judy became my favorite character eating episode alone we're going to talk about Succession Synopsis and You have to tell us this is an actual movie Disney plus or not going to go ahead and do it because there are some movies on there gopher on this the the movies in the sixties and added to our Sunday throwback review because there are so many things in there we can talk about we also little tire kicking on like a spinoff bottom about Disney channel original movie so at the end we are going to kick John you're GonNa get kicked out because you have not caught up on succession I have not called also not watched a single gemstones because gemstone on Fox News female personnel allegations against founder Roger Ailes Charlie's place making Kelly Nicole Kidman plays Gretchen Carlson John Lithgow plays Roger Ailes here bombshell that's right the the Fox News scandal movie is coming to theaters very soon coming in December they released a brand new trailer centers flavors Buffalo Ranch available giant foods stop and shop tie Meyer probably bunch of other places head to at checks mix on instagram to find out their fictional versions this is getting a lot of buzz people are saying this is very very good I'm holding back because I am not sure if it's very good in a sense that much more they're delicious they're very good the buffalo on is very addicting Oh man I can't very spike good little kick let's let's get into the first thing on the news list ah I I watched that in school multiple times Oh that's not homework homelessness four hundred no before homeward bound but homeward bound is better Ah yes the barstools accession as sucked off the SEC positively sucked off on bombards careful because that might on a checks flavor bump same with dill hot and spicy dill pickle flavour Bama check species most of our the distribution that you can find them we had seven eleven buffer it's usually like they're going to switch off that usually like a true story or something along those lines this was like it was a very heavy like based on a true story for some reason it really grabbed whereas like oh they're going to do some like different stuff yeah yeah I don't know for sure and again again that's kind of a disconnect is like we don't know enough about this movie good but I'm holding off have seen this yet yes if I believe I don't know if it doesn't till January right so I I was actually really December Robbie also and this is a different person not an actual person that worked there I- plenty of people if you watch Fox News or you know anything about Fox News during this movie hosted the trailer for New Mutants and people like us is a joke no we're celebrating anniversaries trail John Lithgow unrecognizable is Roger Ailes and we've mentioned before we're Charlie's because it's a political move or whatever and they just want to really get some points off that or is it actually good me no we're not going to find out for what great it's a heavy subject exactly very relevant me and my skype view yes I had I o Samba see if you can see up there but go to the top people are saying Oh this is important this is to talk about and that's why they're saying it's good or if it's actually good now the three lead actresses are pretty fucking great actresses so that wouldn't shock me if it was propaganda Lib store you asshole trailer we did it host a trailer the other day we're actually people did believe that it was real yeah well we we we report same thing and it had Julianne Moore Sarah Palin and it wasn't Pelosi pay on a Palin McCain thing and she she was good in the role these movies are like some frontier family where the seven year old child makes friends with a chipmunk or some shit this is molly too so a lot of these are straight from my brain immediately Oscar convention and I was like are they just doing this from a trailer but I guess I've seen it yeah they have seen it that's the that's really figure out is just the fact like are they hyping up grammar twitter I'll take your one oh various sarcastic honestly I thought you never know you guys it might have been like wall we don't know like we just need more information and we don't know by the way this is a very fun trailer for us to post on social because people were not mad and not overreacting not going fucking ballistic over and they all the also it felt like when I was watching this trailer the based on a true story seemed to really jump out at me thing that because of the news topic and it's relevant yeah I mean at the cast looks good to me it definitely it definitely looks like it's going to be I didn't find it all that compelling it was it just wasn't all that great but recount was good and he also did the campaign heated trumbull pretty far so he's like you see those Jeff I count very good I'm also obsessed with the two thousand election I think it's a fascinating thing this game change wasn't as good game change was the Pelosi on also unrecognizable is making Kelly basically directed by Jay Roach who directed all the power smooth erect talked about this we talked about Austin Powers Much Julianne Moore resembled Sarah Palin even at the time that didn't get all the buzz because everyone was talking about how much Tina fey resembled Sarah Palin so like relief and dinner for schmucks meet the parents I liked it for some so some of his he's he's been doing so he did BRECON role that she definitely looks like Meghan Kelly in this which is the little unsettling and I know a lot of people talk about that that's not that great of a reason to talk about a movie but it is like when you have an actor acting as like go back to go back to what was the game plan or whatever it was we hear critics saying like yeah this is Oscar contention which is like tells more like tell us more than just saying it's like a great movie that's going to be Oscar tells Moore's tents is a good to veer off what the actual stories ingrained in this type of thing so that's an I'm glad you brought that up that's another element as to why I believe it's good I'm just still I'm hesitant at this point if it truly is good for people I kind of weird to me when you got like a somebody who's living actor actress portraying like another person who is still currently living and working and then get like in a way that looks very much like them that's not a comment on the movie itself like that's just kind of like one of those things when you notice a trailer like that thing they're hoping that of it being a good movie because January can be kind of a graveyard and this is scheduled for December twentieth so like I'm like more on the side that like if the release dates getting bumped up people are saying it's is going to be one of those things where like it's it's going to get the buzz like justified unjustified I don't give a fuck it's going to get the buzz the party the other night I was I was drinking my Shit Champagne I now know Nanno this is actually wait very entertaining and I am I am very like I don't know why most supply surprise Shirley's thrown late looks like she should be Roger Ailes series starring Russell Crowe which came you don't even know fucking came out it was fantastic really say I didn't even know that is just crazy to see something like they're talking ah I just I don't know it's like a woke like Oh this is this is great because it's important which that doesn't always happen to be the case it wouldn't shock me because the people in it are very good because of what it's based off of right yeah over over being about these kind of movies now or not nervous do you think it's almost a pain in the ass to make movies like this was the one that Palin McCain one game Janus came game plans different game game change I think the only buzz around game change was like how it's crazy it's a star wars one no that's not in this universe Ernst grand comments were firmly it was a two hundred comments like more than me usually get any trailer inches like now with the two thousand eight movie about the two thousand election he did game change which was a two thousand twelve. Hbo Movie About The two Thousand Eight election it's essentially a two thousand sixteen election cycle movie because it happens around then the reference Megan Kelly debate stuff that went down with president trump so it's it's bizarre always see something turned around that quickly and it's people that you see I mean like whatever someplace JFK right now I mean nothing to me because like I don't I didn't know JFK's face like school dude uh because I thought it was scandal movies they either have to be immediate or in twenty years easier to explore do you think they're like it looks it looks like it could be good people saying it's good I'm just I'm skeptical of the insane height me everyone who's seen as saying it's fantastic we'll see I guess by the way the the is tramp Sam Elliott is in their great voice for bloodhound I'll say that I man oh man oh man I don't know if I'll watch this I actually don't know if I'm GonNa Watch this lady and the tramp Disney plus they're launching with some original stuff the one that people most excited for is the main to lower in the star wars show can't fuck and wait for that so pumped I don't WanNa stop on the show we were talking about live action movies I hate them I can't stand on the terrible of we're doing another one already so the argument I can at least make for Latin and so whenever whenever you watch a movie there's always what's in it for me and that answers usually get to be entertained but when you watch a Latin or a lion king part of that what's in it for me is the entertainment plus installer factor that's part of it now oh seminar yeah I would say I didn't realize I saw it this far advance and I saw people being like oh I think star lease their own charlene's they were like Charlene these Hollywood is like God damn it there's one every week we can make a movie on that's gotTa get very fresh I mean it's crazy when any of these life events are movie and obviously Roger Bigger than it's got a good cast and that's got you know director who think he has a few misses but like for for most of the way I think is movies are typically pretty yeah it looks just like this and then I saw a black mass does be shit yeah black mass was so underwhelming yeah that's I also we we had people in our movie that threw me off the well that looks a lot like the person that's supposed to be it must be fantastic hype train blacks as if that never happened before Johnny you don't get any of that for people our age or in our general age range of about Giver Take Standard Deviation of thirty five years with lady in the for particularly nostalgic for leading the tramp in general where most of the fifties ish properties so like why spend no actually nevermind good I really like I I take that back I really like dinner for Schmucks I thought that was a little underrated the night I think it could potentially be there but like it also is a little bit I mean I'm still GonNa Watch it it just changes behind it I guess I don't know what this movie is probably cheap shit and make type of thing sucks you went so so yeah like but I'm with you I mean you can never tell at think the release date like dim pumping it up is probably a good in terms but yeah well yeah a couple of unions with him yeah he's a nice guy very nice family give them more money so yeah it's it's always bizarre but this I don't think so I've I've never I've never seen fifties or something I think I think it came out like I would have to get fifty seven happy Dan the cynical dog you know you're doing a great movie based on a Kosmos store I mean this is what I'm GonNa do I'm GonNa Open Up this movie I'm going to skip ahead to the so yeah I I it looks fine but I'm not it's not for me this movie is not for me it's really who is it for like two old people even want to see it sounds like you're really close it sounds like a lady and the tramp type year yes everything's going really well down down at the plants we're very close to it piloting the tramp live action version is it will be debut and they released a longer trailer you have just a Thompson as lady just the road you think by any standards or just in general it doesn't look real dogs real dogs I think the dog's mouse moving I didn't ask me has handled the truth maybe not maybe fuck yourself shoot your kid talk about how amazing Matt Damon was in it was Jesse Planet so you're not him jessie are thick so much yeah we're GonNa talk about them in a little bit in that right I think Jeremy Strong yeah pretty sure he's one of those in Boston night got a they the people my old office when that came out there they they they're huge discussion going on one Louis C. 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You've got to be a huge asshole did not come to an agreement shown a hill yeah yeah I'm really curious you want any work he wanted to I think the joker she drives a buick like like what are the most egregious and this matches the product placement that has ever occurred on television cat woman she actually played everyone was floored by the end of it but I mean that's all I've seen really I find big little lies to be good but also they wanted ridler ridler and they wanted to play the penguin and they're just not that I get that on both sides I get Jones up until the second season I thought it was one of the most overrated shows I've ever watched in like not unlike a I didn't like it sort of way but the way people talked about it was like this striding like driving and thinking to themselves in Oh yeah like by the way like reese witherspoon character they're super rich and live in Malibu or whatever Stepdad Linney crowds is her dad I've always yes yeah okay yeah little lies guy I watched the season finale of episode one with my time family and in the first five minutes shit on big little lies it's not zoey it's not overrated because Zoe Kravitz it's overrated because it's a bunch of people driving clips of people as I couldn't I couldn't get it but then season two came out and I think everybody started feeling that way about season two I felt somewhat vindicated but it's still is a good show broke down so he's not going to be but this is cool good casting I'm very pleased Zoe Kravitz and the response was overwhelmingly positive what I saw people really liked this wonder if now she's in the winning legal animated lego movie was that or Lego Batman so that's Kinda cool she jumps over to live actor Jonah Hill will not be in the Batman anymore cat woman apparently she said she wanted this role wasn't allowed to audition for dark knight rises but like how old is she for that yeah pretty far how I mean how old is she leading like a cat at least a little bit of its own identity which was entertaining like a movie like liking other ones just it just felt like it was pure like exact same thing as the original it is there's a yeah that's we're looking for I mean I think this is a good casting I I love I love Love Love Love Zoe Kravis so I'm is that and no I don't I don't think you'll have that I think this will be a super serious serious movies but pretty super serious movie with some quips I in you know the WHO also be equipped guy probably just Alford Master Wade all right so we're all clear up here on the familial situation for both not her dad very much step for good that are Jason The nineteen sixty series inspired campinas that was pervasive through the to Burton movies and then part of like shell fighters character was the only episode. 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Laurie I'm going to go mouth I'd make the no Sandra normally go like today we had a tweet Oh hey retweeted show John the tweet that we talked about and then we're not going to say what it is 'cause people really angry we we mentioned a tweet that was to inappropriate which is true two o'clock on airplanes fucking stink fact very entertaining tweet about that this morning which I also another tweet weekend I can go to sound just like a reverse slide whistles heart in here like to Satan go whenever is in reverse and you fart they say they will eventually meet like it's not too shocking this episode brought to you in part by honey you buy something online and find out you got it for less that sucks honey earn enough I don't know they're just throwing people out there saying they're being cast in the Matrix and I just I don't know how to talk about it anymore because that's all we know about the movie six four I don't even know what that could possibly be I've never seen the matrix period we'll talk to you guys about this I don't think I have I mean it's right Domino's pizza me undies is that one in one ordering from Domino's in fact I'm look the Hart family show you know and everybody knows him as the guy who wears the suit and said the catchphrase from that one show Zingers Disney Bob Eiger they fuck it and he was at Marvel Studios headquarters so the crossover likely will happen so we read that that James Cameron quote about Bob Eiger I think NPA which is a good fit for anything I think he's in a stage in his career where I want to see him in more pleasant stuff although he was awesome in girl but I'd like to see him and just more pleasant stuff than anything else should be we talk we talk we don't work their religion this movie or I'm sorry the joker the penguin movie why won't be the ridler well it's over actually re tweet or say so now people mad that we didn't tell them what it was so we'll show it to you it's really stupid yet to the read it now I think we'll torture people like makes me turn off my brain and feel good for five minutes before going back into the fucking grinder yet but I feel like that's what he's been typecast into your watch the series of unfortunate events stuff on Netflix move on that hey deadpool by the way still gonNA be rated R. We've talked about that Smart Tiller fucking faces turned blue there's nothing to sales on that it's cool that's GonNa rated are still there was some concern and so James Cameron had an interview with the Hollywood reporter and they asked him to random questions if you could control one piece of Ip what would it be he replied what the fuck have we seen shrieked before like a sound manipulator what was the class yeah maybe some chicks one a little bit but I don't really remember it so maybe I kinda fell asleep in it you missed out on some out on this conversation fair we'll leave the native president that person was yeah what's that art artistes slab sign yeah which typically when you get in trouble long as people pay the bills and when I show up to work on Monday morning they haven't closed down my production I don't I could give a shit okay James which again that's also fair that's fair last one you find Bob Agar's iphone which contact you call I can call anybody I want I don't eat Bob Eiger cell phone that is true that's the thing Sudha yeah good good character for the time yeah they're good character very epic Bacon Two thousand eight or whatever Oh yeah let's let's get that was very funny did you see this today John this this this did you see this in quote from James Her last big splurge doping sub okay back you'd do this all right I'll tell you what what back fast all time flex it is all true but he's comes in such a grumpy fuck that it's very funny but that's my like everything he said was true I can't there's nothing to dispute there it is Cahen wick who I didn't realize it was in stores Awakens I know that Jessica handcast and potentially a lead role Neil Patrick Harris in a mystery role for me companies you say that and they're like yeah that doesn't mean Shit that's in your in your twitter bio use it on any site Amazon J. Crew Not Movement movement you already know the code but she was going to be in their people we like so then you just want to say yea like that do you think is a good fit for this movie though he got violently stabbed to death in Congress so I don't know if it's tight but but like I'm fortunate events he plays the bad guy but it's still like light hearted family like like Bob Eiger it like they weren't like they are the ones who wanted him like did like the Avatar movies right like I think he's one of those guys I generate my own stuff so I'm not really interested in Ip okay which is which is true he's got avatars got terminated. Okay best or worst thing about Hollywood's merger mania as I believe about spoilers we'll talk we'll have it on Sunday it's a funny interview Jesse Eisenberg Bar Ilan he's he's very like you can tell he's he's very much like what you see I was Gonna ask what the catch phrase was was they suit up yeah it's it's mostly the name of the account yeah that's that's more so that was L. hammering out of forty three percents tomatoes I mean whatever they had big stars attached this not very shocking you're GonNa Watch this with your kid is just a can you can you can you ask me the question and I'll be James Cameron Okay we which one last question about the self bloggers I feel which Khan Zimbabwe's had one of the most influential companies on the planet and I still think a very large majority of more people know who James Cameron is don't know Bob for sure a very wide mark manes unleashes a like a wave of spiders to create a web bridge for them and she says like this is what they call surfing the web so we'll have that on so that's a good interview people like addams family animated sequel getting intimate who beginning a sequel already movie just came in Halloween true no but I gotta talk because I think this I think the addams family is the most damning damning critique of Jimmy man because beat Jiminy man at the box office like that's really all you need to say about Jim and I'm trying to find that I'm trying to find that tech each line or the smoking meets on Shoulda done that time that's the next that's the third interview question for now it's time to cash it in just ask them to do some Zucker Ivanka fester than they care about will smith right now so they're talking about some bad dude but they're talking about some of the jokes and addams family where like more tissue stopped nick at Nite Shit like an hour something get back to the cartoons that doesn't happen how about the Lakers the monsters is another one did impract- Garfield route they own now we got Garfield News to coming up on not this episode but what next Wednesday check do you call now he said Okay Dr James Cameron this Hey James Cameron you find buyers iphone which contact do you call call od from Garfield find out why such a fuss homeboy trill and he's like yeah we're why is he not here anymore like he's an artist or something now we're like no he doesn't live here did you guys ask him to do the smoker movies with him he's very small piece things together I think he might have OCD. I think I read like that's what he's like yeah so he's that type of guy like you see in movies twice slipped into Mark Zuckerberg's Oh yeah we are you say no no no no spoilers by the way we're going to do you reckon back and we can't slow we're going to interview Jesse Eisenberg this episode but we talk so ask before but I think the the lasting legacy of the monsters to our generation is when fall out boy tried to get the rights to that Dick Dale Surf Song from similar. Ip there in months we call the Weirdos across the street from me and the first house we lived in the monsters because they were always out at night in their bizarre people. 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going to comb through them real quick as we razer like he thought we were doing a bit dude and he's like all right what's the joke I know dude like we're GONNA play a game true of I can say this and that Oh yeah always anytime they start with like the Mike I'm on fire you know it's good to me it seemed like nothing but I don't know maybe news students from a crash strapped college need of a computer convinced businessmen Aj Arnaud to donate one when it needs to be repaired student Dexter Riley fixes it during an back Nanya oh I learned that that's how my wife Hell you learned that from break from nine hundred seventy five the strongest man in the World Dexter has a bold idea for his college chemistry project creating a formula that will make human stronger a lab caracal sorry sorry very very real it'll be on dizzy off name was brian the computer were tennis shoes it stars Robert Redford can be streamed artist Russell Russell isn't it ochre Russell Oh yeah it's awesome your blade guy right blades well not in this other guy you heard earlier Austin rollerblades for like a week I saw there's still it on my desk right now what is Brian Okay it's fake 'cause nobody's name is Brian in the nineteen fifties is fake as Ken Jack do he's fucking thing in his hand I I read I read formulas actual contents things during serious when cereal competitors hire thugs to eliminate the new miracle product chill the strongest man in the world real or fake burglarized he decides to clean up town by running against the corrupt John Slade and the upcoming district attorney election however just as will be begins his campaign he learns one thousand nine hundred seventy six a sequel the shaggy dog wants successful lawyer Wilbur will be Daniels what he got promoted returns from vacation to find John Dot GonNa Guess fake it at any point anymore real real folks November twelfth Kurt Russell Stars in the strongest man in the world on Disney Bluffs Utah Bodybuilder Professionally Darby Gill and the little people oh yeah dude that's he plays to carry on November twelve character wants his daughter to fuck all right on it I thought do we know it's GonNa be hard I told you going to be fun but this is not honestly a fake move be easy next up the nine hundred sixty nine the computer wore tennis shoes like I think Brian Cox is the oldest Brian of I think it's the way I had no idea Bryan Cox of succession was in the slap I knew also the Shaggy da worst prosecute prosecutorial record of all time off of the quote it wasn't me Lucien in vitamin rich cereal amazingly when students try the cereal it briefly provides superhuman strength the college dean tries to take advantage pitching a deal to the cereal company oblivious to the restored the computer now Dexter celebrity but are no want him eliminated John you guess I way true guess I yeah that's not real long shaggy fucking that's real that's real it is real the shack as a real movie okay doc Cox in the Great Society on Thursday oh that'd be awesome though succession okay we go next up fuck off nineteen fuck off a lot of these folks real movie you can marry Disney starting number twelve here on economies in it Sean Connery it's the old copy of the Iliad which proves more than he bargained for as a transport him back in time to the time of Greek heroes now the only way he can get home is to defeat Medusa fake I mean I just made a promise myself to not safe anymore but it has to fade true folks like I wanna say it's real because it sounds more plausible than the movies you just listed but that's also why I wanna say it's fake and then it also feels like we're due for a fake one so I'm going to say fake a new house initially dismissing incidences more of their fathers practical jokes the family soon learns at the House is haunted by people who lived in the house three hundred years previously John uh-huh all right next up eighty-three the argonauts Jason gets detention for acting up in history class and gets assigned to the task of cleaning up the school library he discovers a fleet the quest for the Golden Fleece John Real or fake the Organiz trill real or fake the argonauts nineteen eighty-three result because you guys wrote this after the last one in saw the name Dexter in there and then you just used it again in this one it's like in order fake real real real or fake Mr Boogie what year is this one thousand nine hundred eighty six dude everybody was doing before the town is buried in snow the snowball effect nineteen ninety-two real or fake John fake true real or fake that's fake these are the worst part about this they drill see them pictures are made up the images fake it's fake the argonauts a I mean I feel I've heard of it oh yeah you probably Dennis invent the machine cover the entire surrounding area with snow after joined the first few snow days the friends realize their mistake they start with a plow their driveways within Michael's an awkward young boy he was about to start junior high and has no real friends his only companion is an imaginary friend he calls by the name of and the titular character job to help them prepare for an upcoming shuttle launch unprepared for such a high pressure environment will falters under until ageing scientists gusts deadman takes him under his wing and Roll Rocket Science Nineteen ninety-five a Freak Accident Causes Sixteen year olds struggling student player will marsh to become such an incredible science projects at NASA offer some job I'm still not going to watch it but it's cool and it's available I am not backing lost six ninety nine a month I'm going to get the the Surf Dude I was third expelled from school before they're expelled from school but when they get sidetracked yellowstone national park they found the jobs as rookie rangers to impress a sexy lieutenant that kicks off a hilarious talking on the right side of the picture Darby Oh Gill plays at the guy that he wants that the main character that's John Connor on the right side ring has been stoned from museum that has the power to turn them temporarily into a sheepdog knowing he could transform any moment will be attempts to win the election John Your first the Shaggy d it didn't seem like a good enough that didn't seem like a good enough reason to advance the plot that's correct ave to Joe Rogan so I'm GonNa go real because I feel like I've heard meet the details before and if I if I haven't that's the Mandel effect I'm saying fake that's fake Johnson this is one thousand nine hundred six I'm not gonNA say the title right off the Bat in a world where twelve year old Michael Gerber has no friends he finds that sometimes the best the best friendships come teaches them how to use his newfound intelligence meanwhile fellow Prodigy Josh Summers feel slighted bruising everyone's attention and tries to sabotage we'll at every turn rocket science bucket that was the one that shocked me when it came across the feet next up the snowball effect one thousand nine hundred sick of going to school a middle school friends Frankie I feel like I've heard the name meet the details before but also the words sexy was just using a description for a Disney movie ernest adventure as the Beatles battle prairie dogs surf roaring rapids and rescue old faithful from a vengeful ex ranger trill ruler fake are are forced to shiver under layers of blankets and miss playing baseball at snow continues to pile up after losing control of their machine do figure out a way to reverse what they've done nineteen ninety-five what do we think real are very real real or fake John is right fake movie not real are we got we got fucking golden fleece run out I think this is fake sounds like the most plausible one that's why I said it was nine hundred eighty six Mr Bougie a novelty salesman moves his family eight the details will be on Disney plus number two talking picture this picture the picture of them by the way they have this big wave like hair insane Taylor fake that's that's real real or faked it's very real can of worms fucking worm alien ridiculous I can of Worms Aliens respond to a dissatisfied teens plead to escape from planet earth but not all of them are friendly can of worms nineteen ninety nine machines in a race against the clock the machines in the trash at the machines win the line worker surrender the last paycheck to the Forman's greedy pockets two thousand five what do you think take care that sounds fake it is very fake thing you guys did pretty well at the end there yeah we can't caught on make sure about the computer wore tennis his parents are moving to New Mexico he joins a new team the bison which is made up of misfits that he looks down on for their lack of skill when new coach announces that their rank is going to close down it is every minute he is on the Ice Jesse learns teamwork nut skill is what wins hockey games trail real or fake on thin ice at description so good I gotta go with real is bucket fuzz bucket nineteen eighty-six reeler that's that's real because you sent me the picture Chidi on this one I saw the fucking thing in their fuzzy the nation that's your name John Henry Burly Auto Plant Assembly line worker who loves to work with his hands one day the plant foreman announces that entire line move tweets fill like is why we put all these on thin ice Jesse Higgins is the star hockey player on his Minnesota hockey team but his life gets turned upside down and it is in a state of despair Jesse devises a plan they enter tournament of the best hockey teams in the country run by Mario Lemieux that's grand prize of a brand new rank initially calling for the we're here nine hundred ninety eight meet the deedles twin thrill seekers fill in detail or hip Hawaiian surfers shipped out to Wyoming for summer camp before look it up can of worms school that one all right now I have to work who is watching these feels like a waste of bandwidth or whatever it is eight hundred younger faster clone version of himself starts benedict Wong Clive Owen Mary Elizabeth winstead and of course in the lead role will Smith they've been trying to make it fucking idiot the giveaway I feel like it would be complete the quest of the Golden Fleet that's the real events from the story of Jason Idea so I wrote these ones I wrote that one and that was you can see it again he's like Oh billy what's next up the shaggy. Da Fake I got the life upside-down fresh prince and Marla Mu is to relive a is very awesome twelve as well as fuzz bucket it's going to be electric double team fuss movie for a long long time people attacked US movie include Harrison Ford Chris O'Donnell Mel Gibson Jon Voight Nick Cage Brad Pitt it is fake that's not a real movie and last Manal leave the Mary Lou part after I wrote that as a flock to rich for his porpoise blood last one John Henry Tom Cruise Clint Eastwood Arnold Schwarzenegger Silver Sylvester Stallone at Silverstone Sylvester Stallone and Sean Connery what it would try to make movie for they should not as real Mr Boogie will be on Disney plus Yup got that okay here we go that's the first one we both got right I think so the Shaggy da fake and real you're showing me the picture that Israel but the picture that showed me real is making me think it's fake even more I don't know I I don't know hoppy Monroe in any mcelwain look city sizon and that's probably what Oh yeah definitely be let go in to in two weeks and replaced by machines who can do twice the work in half the time John Takes US challenged the heart and offer the foreman offers the formative deal if he can 699 worth all right let's let's dive into it Gemini Man Spoiler reviews by the way so just down right now if you don't want to spoil it the deal was so convinced that that was just something we're Ken Jack drew inspiration Johnny Nami son of a bitch now today we got we got a few more nine hundred ninety Kelly written by Darren Lemke who has writing credits on Shrek forever astor lost Jack the giant slayer goosebumps goose was like unseasoned fucking meat it's still meets still tasty like if you gave me steak with nothing on it it's still stake I like it but there's no eddie and I'll tell you what it's a big reason why didn't like this thing it didn't like it yeah the the frame rate the frame rate with this movie is Oakland Jonathan Hen Sleigh and the writing team of Stephen J reveal and Christopher Wilkinson Rewritten fucking like eight times over twenty usually comes to shift Zam now Gemini Man this movie has since been re written by Billy Ray Andrew Nicol David benef- it clearly sees in double teamed yeah let's see so the girl on the right in the picture looks familiar let's see double teamed I'm D- from the Group D Cooper and what's the other one trill Eric Bischoff Eric Bischoff D Cooper the writers game of Thrones Brian held any second job he's playing gets turned upside down he becomes the target of a mysterious operative who can seemingly predictors every move to his store broken soon learns that the man who's trying to kill him CBS inside Oh definitely not to definitely not okay let's review movies that was good I can't wait to watch eight hundred of these cares not all of it was terrible but there were plenty of problems with it and I think the biggest thing was just fucking bland it was just it was like unseasoned it was just it was also shot in one hundred twenty frames per second which you can always see in fourteen theaters across the country. I think I was the one who is able to do that I saw at the theater that I go to in the shoes because I've definitely heard that shutout Disney plus not a sponsor you can't be if you want checkout Darby O- on the little people coming to Disney chase okay I thought the bike chase was great agree with the standout scene from the movie and outside of that it's it's forgettable it on yeah always a good sign maybe somewhere the big thing with this movie is it's De Aging Technology Will Smith's clone which will get into the time I love it I don't even think I liked it it was I give it a fifty I I thought opt-in most anticipated movies of twenty nineteen thoughts yeah I loved it I loved the fuck out of time it's a soap opera effect which will get into my score for this movie is a fifty one I did find some of it entertaining some of it I did like some of the action was cool along with all of you guys can't make a movie maybe it's not worth moving and I don't even think I think I might have a higher view than you guys for this movie but the district isn't the review for you Jim Man Two thousand nineteen movie just released last week our for these seven minutes Henry Brogan is an elite fifty one year old Sassan who's ready to call it quits after completing ignorance is all the fucking garnish on it it's like a really shitty steak with a lot of good I guess the gardens the tech in this case right I wasn't there for me trill this was on your Oh you me pitch anything that said you have Ron Rhodes and John Krasinski attached out say yes how much money do you want that's it because people are going to go and see it yeah so you think do you think people come up all of you guys have to try hard to make a movie it's maybe not worth me I think they just stopped doing them like buckets nick spills why are we gonNA drive even trying with this doesn't have a soul and I might be unfair asking an action movie to have a soul that like honestly feel like we've got some really good action movies over the last five years you think about John Wick and you think about what they've been able to do with mission impossible and you almost want to say well like who could have seen this coming 'cause it's been in development and it's the need to grab a phone with like half the touch my phone right now because I it's just your twitch reflexes five military corporation going up against the federal government and then trying to like do shady shit so that they get government contracts whereby seen this before except in every single movie for the last two decades and if you use that as your vessel for this tech that's just stupid that's so stupid and you see why they had to rewrite this thousand times to make it into just a bare bones plot and just it was super yeah I thought this was going to be good because it just it just wasn't it didn't really offering the steak analogy is the best thing I can think about it it is a stake when you're on a diet a million dollars at the box office and it was not an interesting enough story to be spending the one hundred fifty million dollars which they spent on the budget for this on technology for because is that it felt to me like a really like low budget like Gerard Butler action throat which is not like it's not saying it's bad but it felt like a super predictable one that he does that cost forty million dollars wasn't cool and like a lot of other movies can get away with that like movie like Avatar which did rip off a lot of other movies you get away with it because the technologies interesting enough where keeps your attention focuses your it is going to outback say give me the steak I want nothing on it I just want the steak I want it well done and I don't want you to do any butter on it I just want to stake getting did not like the bite chasing comical I thought there was too much like swerving I didn't like a lot of the fight scenes that involved young will Smith you didn't have like a good form of fighting I I did I have a new scale of how I judge movies whereas like I got my body is screaming entertain me right now and so like I'm high fifties low sixties on it little hard I thought in fact this is GonNa be Weird for a movie of this caliber the scenes I liked the most worthy scenes that were not actions I think and just that's it and there is no hard sold of this movie at all like a vessel for again the new technology new technology wasn't interesting enough to keep my attention I thought there was a and I'm GONNA eat with my hands because that's what it was going to eat it but a eat it like a like a fucking full awful Kendrick you gave it ten points lower than me correct everything about you where you're like I need something entertainment and this is clearly not doing it every time that happens I subtract ten points I had a hard four times borderline five times but you got me to one hundred as in a hundred score if when he got shot with that beasts thing we got hitched face breath to me looked like Jason born but stupid super mega heavy armor that he was a good fighter away from me thinking like wow this really does not an interesting story to me at all and this movie didn't have that and I think the fucking whole thing with the PM see like wow a p okay rolling overall it was fine it was it was I didn't have a high hopes that I gave it a forty one I think sort of problem with this is that they just didn't have an capturing story like those very very predictable from start to finish and it felt to me and that's what I said the review on it you're totally set and just could have been like we need time to fuck and make this character just get off the good done you're done you're done we got to go see John Render it they throw the bike as has the I feel like the weight physics were overall yes I'm sorry I sound so fucking Dushi me to say that when you watch it doesn't look plausible the trail head and I went into it having known your scores so I was surprising entertained by it but yeah I mean high fifties low sixties isn't great for an action movie you know the physics were weird but I the whole movie looked weird and a lot of respect but the de aging stuff so I just thought that was kind of par for the course and take it against it uber disappointing and everyone I feel like the acting performances were very very mailed in for the most part and like almost there's nothing there they English just like take the I take and he's like fine you're good soon you obviously are what what are we talking about right now I just told you what you're allergic to and I've never met you before we're the same person but so that that I thought the young will Smith looked really good right like the blending is probably the best de aging we've seen it did look very good in that sense I think the the library were writing a script for dummies action section the the I will say so how about the tech because I honestly I don't really have much more to say about the story the story just really really trying to kill oldest with the bike even though he's a highly trained assessment apparently graded hand combat that to me was so comically bad now it took me on the movie entirely he's bland it's very basic it's simple what this tells you this I hated the fact that young junior didn't Orley own mistakes to know you don't WanNa make me mm-hmm I mean yeah there's there's there's a lot of bullshit in this movie like I go back to talking to the novelty of like if you don't friends phoebe has the twin and they sometimes they have the same scene where you see the twin Ursula talking to Phoebe it's that like look really they looked all I thought that scene where the fights in the in the in the concave or wherever they were the catacomb yeah it was like it was like it was like locker boxing yeah I think again maybe my biggest problem with it just felt so on original like in just like every single step on like I know it's about especially when Clive Owen the day scene at the end on colleges Koreans fuck it looked at it turned into a comedy and the jokes are so bad and they're delivered embarrassing tech demo because there's really like there's no substantial way for me to tell you why I didn't like this movie it just it did it lacked with me that's usually something that is high eighty two where else bat let's hit that bike Quick I want to know why because when I was watching it and I saw him like the young will Smith no I just love it I like I that was a standout scene for me in the movie I liked the fact they're they're on like dirt bikes dirt bike looking bikes like wistful but it didn't do that and that's fine it's an action movie but aside from like I felt like the motorcycle chasing anything else was elect a lot of stuff that I assumed it was going to have like going into like I thought it was gonna be you know maybe more psychological in nature and maybe like make some more recognizes him yeah clearly they took convincing a million fifteen years about that that's clearly me like this came out then like it's not like Oh my God the same person on the screen like it is wasn't there especially at the end because they tried to make more lighthearted like in the whole Superman having his yeah he's like this is you don't understand I'm saving humanity I'm not putting people harm's way it's like dude I haven't like you went to a library thought-provoking statements about cloning or like aging or growing old or being replaced by something that makes a thirty five year old like me like little I think we've talked about it before but that whole that whole like de aging thing you need a reference point and the reference points Will Smith like the whole movie sold around based uh-huh camp the begun needed and like I'm just trying to think about it I'm trying to find like let's just talk about the de aging stuff 'cause like really what this was just felt like a tech demo for that but it was a very takes it felt like just kinda cheap in the writing which is a yeah he should he should that's me yeah it looked anything at night would you wanna come see a younger will Smith yesterday Oh and you gotta decide right now because this movies all theaters about two more days and so like the fact that it's will smith so like it didn't contain itself very well about the movie all the buzz was outside of it like I think it is cool that they're able to do it trying to kill the bike just south of fucking biking strangle do something this guy didn't I didn't hate it I didn't hate him which I hated but the physics of it that's off with the DA thing is I hope this I hope a I know I know the Irishman's coming out okay that's the other big one right so you had banner to wear like people are saying the Irishman actually has commentary on aging and growing old and like what it's like to grow older from like the De Niro character perspect- roles things like that and they're saying will like this movie is a commentary on like will Smith moving into the next phase of his career whatever and I'm like I don't think it's smart enough none Erta growing older like I think especially in an environment like Hollywood is like you're less desirable maybe less oh for man but like you know you're less desirable you get less not unless it's used actually service the plot in that manner it just seems like a superfluous Thing in like even a movie like are you ever see soldier is it more an instance right like that's just for one scene it's that's yeah that's yeah that's that's not the big thing in those movies and it's like the big thing in this movie and just because you can do it doesn't mean I think like people should continuously keep trying to make de aging at thing and movies and less is used sparingly or was done in I'll say one thing I noticed which is very wild that I remembered it I feel like pilots twelve years ago I read an article and will Smith in men's health or something along those lines it think about the big demos for de Aging they were used sparingly in like what had previously happened if you WANNA consider what they didn't Star Wars de aging whatever I'd be addicts involved but it was done better there than was done better here so I think the technology's fine of IT services the plot I think it sounds like it will be in the Irish man but hopefully after that people like it gives if you did the de aging thing on a no name actor nobody gives a fuck right like if even even who's like I don't know like Jeremy Strong or something like that nobody really then it's it can't be that commentaries he wanted to make this twenty years ago yeah so I I don't think the movie was smart enough to do that but I do think the DA is why gave it a fifty I watch on TBS TNT if it came on like and I'd never seen before and now it'd probably be like okay this is pretty solid cool not not like every movie has it but it's just something that I I don't think people are clamoring to CD aged actors yeah I agree with you completely you need script first and then Effects Second Shea Kurt Russell movie where it's like kind of similar sort of pop lot where it's like you have to do the old model at super reliable that gets two years of service whatever gets replaced by the new model and then they send the personally I think it does but you know also like will Smith's growing older what he's he's like fifty two now fifty one now just about you know and like the let me I'm talking to the Yoga it was so they can't dislike sliding somebody's like I'm talking to me he's talking about this isn't who's on I shut up and go to class they do that like four times in this in this script okay that's actually not a bad like real life implant into the script at least that's how I took it could be different in the sense that younger version basically trying to kill the older version right and I thought that was done much better in blooper without like yeah some prosthetics as sexiest product wild very well like you could deduct aged he's like slime in the catacombs I'm not you old male I do think that concept and like something that didn't do the agent well end that like a remind me a lot of looper like in the sense that in a sense yeah glasses on effect they have like do you see them both in the same print and no one just like hey you're the same person very very again very clearly the same person like what because he top it's not model kill the old model mcdaddy even commentary unlike aging and like why like whatever like feels bad getting replaced by a new version of what is essentially you like that and that was shitty bad movie and it did this article where tyree was hiding from mirrors and his in his house and he's running around like only covered towels and stuff like that you didn't WanNa see himself and bring it on my list but it it was up for considerations of movies to be intrigued for it's super disappointing part of my part of my upset is that disappoint loft me to take points off because of visuals like bad visual effects suck but nowadays like most visual effects look good right like it's very it's really rare that you're gonNA see a visual interesting so may- maybe there's something there for them but also maybe if you watched on TNT you're losing on kind of the effect right like the FBI effect which they touted like in a huge way at least and leaders just becomes very off putting in distracting and that's the biggest issue with me that like I guess maybe if I saw it in a different way it wouldn't be as distracting but it is and that this clearly it was like they flipped out there we have this new tech fuck it let's just do this movie like we don't care what the script is we don't care if it's boring or doesn't capture an audience as fuck it the script thing I will and one hundred and twenty second gem man when you see it and it's dial up to the absolute fucking Max that's the that's how we want you to see it and it is for what they do yes written chief man I guess the soap opera was the thing with the Hobbit the Hobbit they framed they filmed in a in a higher frame rate and it just looks it looks real it looks like you're there the I'm watching I'll probably be like that's fine but like for one hundred and fifty million dollar blockbuster that was sold to me I'm an idiot is to push boundaries he's made some great movies this didn't work for me and it was that distracting an off-putting where I just I had to I had to knock it down and I didn't get down to pick it didn't look I am a do that thing where I say like will Smith movie and then I'm a pickup as characters name this wound and I'm a google character named to then I'll pull up the results in the movie I'll be okay this would he was talking about when he trained Thai risks tirees couldn't look at himself in the mirror anymore and what he decided he had to change decades reference like a lot in this that's like that is exactly unlike plain and simple that's how Ang Lee wanted to appear and it took away from the movie it was something I was thinking about when I'm watching it and that's a problem and it takes I have an issue with any movie that involves clone trying to kill you and you just do not take out that clone from just just from a standpoint of like fuck that so the one hundred and twenty per second thing it's kind of hard to explain if you don't see it but like John for example like you know soap operas look real life right so that's a soap opera I think like oh it's a kind of interesting plot whatever and all the effects are a little bit cooler than I had expected like that I think for an objective non movie injure like us might be more he looked to real it didn't give that cinematic touch that you wanna see when you watch a movie that was the worst part of from hands down I get what he's trying to go for especially the daylight stuff it looked really bad in the daylight stop that's actually the bike scene I would it's fine with but it looked awful it just looked to it and you can even see the trailer like how they filmed it the fuck was that at SCI FI channel we're like no but this was bad enough it was it was obnoxious enough to look at where like I get what he was going for I respect that that's cool Kasei Collagen class he kind of looks like you that's about it yeah that's the bottom line for fucking ends tried to kill you it just plain and simple didn't work and if you WANNA see it and you're in a big city I would suggest going to one hundred twenty second see how it was made to be seen and maybe it could be something we wouldn't have if we didn't have you on John Perfect before the the thing that but go ahead true I but the thing is like I didn't hate it strike rule from my clones clones clones Pasadena Highway Jim Rome Jeff Feeling mclovin CGI on that I think they ran out of time because he looked really bad it looked I guess I just said that I I notice there doesn't matter but that is one where it did look bizarre there I want to say one more thing about the ending the final boss battle with the clone the final like the fucking of one thousand yeah bike oh is so bad yeah I guess fucking literally finally I it just it wraps it up it's like it's almost like a heart heart warming type end like you know take care of them this is my clone don't know he don't not at all if they could cool I think it's a stupid decision and that's again a Charles Point those like this would be a good TNT movie but not rebuilt for TNT and it's still a little weird on it it's still and like like most most people in America I love will I grew up with will Smith I I feel like will smith part of my family and this feel it comes oh connex yet when all baron owner actively do you regret putting it on your most anticipated list I do I don't know I think part of me in this goes into the Will Smith discussion I think that's kind of why I read it at higher too and it's because I personally I've seen too many movies to the point where this is very predictable oh man may not be the same feeling for a general audience member were like they might be there's coney you it's trying to kill you totally different person the clone you nothing about this call other than he is you're clone like football team does well this year try to kill him and then like obviously realized that it was him asked his faked out about dad lied to him he still went back to come again Lebron agree completely true what I've read some pieces were you know people have I think people have been on the fence of whether or not this movie doesn't intend still insane like say what you want about how much tomatoes matters that is still crazy yeah I mean yeah I I will always go I was always go to bat for I am legend different and that's always something with will Smith I think he's done a better job of this since two thousand twelve of maybe doing things that are a little bit different but they just haven't watch fucking eastbound and down did I watched yeah yeah we did first season talking about this I'll take seen recently we've been talking about a lot just wealfare is actually shaffer very happy family and he I think he's in a phase in his career and has been for the last twenty years where he can pick and choose any project he wants to do is I it feels like there's it feels like the closest he's come to playing villain was dead shot for the most part asked the scientology influence around that Travolta got stuck with that league scientology chooses movies and I feel like a lot of will Smith's have had that futuristic weird twins to it I don't know it's hard off the ball what drill or one last thing from you wretched I love that movie to like I think that's one of his best best movies but I I always like I look you know that's a smart thing to do I mean I don't blame him all right I'm not like saying like you shouldn't be that way I'm just saying like I think he's in a little bit to kill you the entire movie is about 'em trying to kill you and at the end you're just kind of like well speculate like Iowa's felt the same way about Tom Cruise until collateral came out and Yeah in-in-in collaterally played about as bad of a guy as you can play bad I like I like the shooting him and it wasn't working then toilet did go back to the college thing like at the end the third time I think that's the limit for me they're fucking your debt no you're me but you're fucking debt man this guy gets three three three I I wanna see him do well and I wanna see him do things that are different and I do feel like this one I don't know why I thought it was gonna be different because it's like enemy of the try to kill you guys coming from clue to do my little brother no it's not dates the enemy in the state Lubar had a baby and what came out was this movie the didn't feel didn't feel different from but at the time I thought it was going to at least be something at all years ago how could it be visa try forces do for twenty years what was he thirty seven yeah might not be the hero action movie and that might not be what he wants to do a completely invalidate what I said if that's not what he wants to do but like I just eat so fucking and like that type of movie perfect so yeah and he did it really well so like I don't really know I I like I think part of it is like I don't feel sorry for him like he's I don't feel sorry for him at all no I mean he's about a successful of a person as you can get he seems like a very nice guy seems like is I thought like Travolta after whatever it was battlefield are after buddy buddy we'll be talking after very shortly people were like oh is like just this veil of like image protection he has around him where he just doesn't want to do anything that really takes a risk or play a character is not like a and I I make sense like I think he's really self conscious or conscious or like him and his team are very protective of his image and I think that's very smart unlike most Oscar contenders schick sure yeah I get that but I think he's also a very decently trained out say like dramatic actor like we talented but as C. I even almost little bit disagree with you just because I do think he even took a risk with this because he knew so much of this was hinging on like new facial wrecked knowledge and everything like that and then I am legend we see that in pursuit of happiness can do shit like that and I think he should be doing more smaller stuff and maybe not focusing on the stuff that may or in many cases may not make a lot of money I'd like not always like the you know the Independence Day type hero but I think the answer is like maybe in what you're saying is that like something smaller that isn't a huge now I I definitely agree with you I I would be willing to walk back some of what I said because okay go back to bright bright Wisconsin it's fucking hell since nineteen ninety-seven and rest in Peace Tony Scott he was attached to it but I I don't know why two hundred fifty million dollar movie like might just be refreshing to see him do that I just don't I don't think that's his mo I think like I think the opportunity cost to him of doing that like is something think that in itself was a risk but you know what I mean and I think he has I think you should be doing more smaller projects and I know he's like a fucking mega star and like he's doing like instagram lives that get more think he's earned enough capital with his audience in with people and with everyone to support him in doing something that like you've said I've watched television show when I was a kid I feel like I've been a fan of his my entire life like in I'm just like at a point where it's like I didn't I don't think crews ever has been it's probably 'cause he's the king of Scientology and he terry crews are terribly he's hey you know like switching it up might not be the worst thing for for me to see him in I agree completely everything you said in this is this is one that would be interesting to see how it shapes as we mentioned it and he asked Ron Tomatoes does not mean everything but he has not had a movie rotten tomatoes seventy or above and twenty years twenty years on critics critics but six minutes the most they it's like their entire production history so at that point or even like what was the movie were like focus he was a con man right in where Like I just think he prefers to stay in this big blockbuster lane and I respect that but I I also like it also is like one of those things where it's like you ended it feels like he's been in a slump and I think I just WanNa see him get out of that slumpy no two eight twenty twelve year in general I think it's a he curious not even going to recoup its budget I imagine no I mean maybe overseas like there's a decent chance that it open Chinese it made forty five million dollars over overseas what he does a one hundred and thirty eight million dollar budgets only made seventy million at the box office true you mentioned it came in third behind joker and then it came ten million behind addams family assessing what he thought he wanted to do and what he was convinced out of doing I thought it was all really good I think Vince Gilligan's such a cool guy he is at once he explains what he wanted to do it didn't work we needed one more man now secretaries men it's needed eighty seven year old factor that into how I feel about a movie in terms of rating I don't think that's I don't think that's almost fair to do in a review I don't think it is I think was toys take special effects markets so maybe yeah well one of the one of the production companies was Alibaba pictures which is part of the through the through the alleys of Brazil breaking bad weren't enough and they know that's enough that that always closed let's make it something a little different and it was like a lot of Gilligan's kind of taking everyone through his it was anything fucking world ending I don't mean it was incredible I prefer better call Saul stuff I prefer breaking bad like I think this is a good extension of the show and I think it was after viewing the day after I put it A. B. I'm now it'd be plus with it because I don't know if anyone's read the interview a separate wall having Jesse go back to cooking and stuff like that and he was like we decided that he was the moral center of the show along time ago and and they were going to call it sixty three and then they they got they stepped away from that because they thought sixty three made it seem like they felt like the sixty two episodes what he's is it doesn't seem like anybody's really talking about intellectual property getting released in China lately there just hasn't been discussions at all China Alibaba group yeah you'd think you'd think there'd be promoted in Jack Module in everyone's brain yeah oh yeah the projection is we'll lose millions we'll see a hundred million dollar budget millions spent on marketing expected to lose a lot of money they should make a secret Zahn it this this is a breaking bad type thing it has that same tension that same feel that you get from that type of stuff again I don't think it's necessary but I'm not gonNA take points off for it breaking bad movie and there weren't a rank top five lease it will smith movies let's get into eighty three to one hundred for me I thought it was wholly unnecessary however now condone episodes I don't think he would even be considered like the best episodes I think it's still it's still good just not great I I had a B. Two B. minus immediately like all right I'm going I'm going up one more grade with it so I I I'll end it with the B plus it definitely wasn't necessary but you're right so when I was initially reviewing it I was I gave it a seventy five I really liked it the first thing I need to say is if you've never seen breaking bad don't watch out for that which again that might be unfair at my rating that's just how I feel on that yeah I thought it was interesting kill you talking about addressing the idea of having arid thought he was I thought I thought his only like role in the show or in the movie was going to be through the crate so the Dick boy I'm I'm I'm happy for I think that the but I had to go back and refresh myself as I forgot about the dynamics of that the beat be minus and I was saying I don't have anything bad to sit the acting was great the writing was great visuals were great I just I was shocked at them having the flashback I legitimately didn't think that they would do that and then I I said I thought it'd take away from the movie if they actually did that it had the it was so we talked about it before and like I said something like I would be shocked Bryan Cranston comes back for this and I I didn't spoil it then to even go back like refresh yourself with the series is I don't know where that put them in the chronology but it it definitely was before like Walter White went didn't need to see it but that say we're just like just because you didn't need to see it doesn't mean it was bad I just wasn't really compelled and I think part of it is I'm and I loved refresh myself to the end of the show especially with the todd character and Yeah Yeah what's that why you didn't recognize him I mean that's crazy the movie it was very good it was a very good seen them walking through that hotel hallway together like that was that was cool and the coolest part about that was the bad guy group at the end of breaking bad to forget I forgot like we're todd fit in with that whole group yeah and so like I had refreshed myself on that but sorry to toy story three necessary no they're still good movies I think this is very solid movie that's a great plan thousand based criticism I was Vince go good friends audits give it a sixty three at Gemini Man let's Talk We'll talk pro talked about this briefly I feel people talk about this a lot we'll talk John here thoughts El Camino Robbie talked and tell me about this really loved it I thought it was very I actually I sent it to rob this morning I said just like you'd like this and it was actually talking about how he originally had it as an episode and I I like I enjoyed that and the it it it was thought provoking like not of any thoughts outside of the breaking bad universe but just Jane Flashback was was to episode or an episode later yeah that makes sense because it was cool seeing like once he's finally freeze is going to go back and do that I just thought so much of a hearing from Vince Gill on it was really cool so that that back up I I've read that article this morning and it wasn't something I needed but it was something I'm glad I got so I joined it I don't even know if I'd say I'm glad I got it but I'm happy I watched it I mean wife's perspective because he died but like you know you always assume Jesse was going to be okay at the end of that series in like I guess you know the movie kind of clarified that he was but pink men and this is where I thought Erin Paul knocked it out of the park he's a broken man lake which is different from what he's playing the entire fucking series which I agree with you just to I always do use getting away although he did say he considered not having been away he considered him getting arrested in a sacrifice manner but he's Oh Heisenberg and it was definitely before Jesse Pacman lost his entire will to live yeah it's season two so four terms of television in terms of stories how you know sometimes like I never take the time to think about like yeah story wraps up but like it only wrapped up from Walter Yeah and that's why like the flashback is you got to see like Oh shit like that's the way Jesse Packman actually was before Walter White fucking just ruined his life Did you see you see how fan communities of of all you see people talking online like you're making memes about how Walter White is awesome and kick ass and Heisenberg was cool to kind of get the perspective on the fallout in the aftermath of you know nine ten person murder suicide and the manhunt for Jesse Pacman Salon and it makes sense it was the Jane Jane Again I read an article this morning and convince explains when they both were and whenever the could you off but I think that's the most impressive thing is that that the character he plays in this movie is totally different than the character played in the entirety of the series in the character he plays in the flashbacks totally different character is like I think he's breaking bad stuff it's better than this was finding this I thought I thought it was really good in this I don't know I thought he knocked it out of the park to totally agree I mean I know him in I know who didn't watch breaking bad you know there's there's just no it's not a standalone movie it's basically in extension of the show you gotTa Watch this show in order to keep up with it I even had to go back in or to still like what he had created in the breaking bad universe and I really enjoyed it from that perspective too because like I was saying I think it would be really easy to brinks truck backed up to play Han Solo again it was cool to see Vince Gilligan go back and do this it was good to see him like at least appear logo just close your eyes Lowest Score Kendrick give it a forty one I gave it a fifty one fifty John you gave it sixty sixty I I get why someone who's an artist does that for them where they just like I've been deciding what happens to him and now to see a creator I guess I always have this opinion of somebody going through a five season Ron seven season run whatever in fucking hating what they've created a fun and it was a good time at it was breaking the end the breaking bad it was he would go off on his own and take photography in the mountains of Albuquerque sneaking Bryan Cranston and on private jets put a bag over his head to get him into a fucking where the New Mexico Albuquerque Albuquerque and he said they were it was just make something and be completely sick of it because that's how I am that's what he said happened Oh yeah exactly what he said happened he said the end of breaking bad was American you can bet one of the best shows of all time I'm not a huge Jesse Pink Moon Guy and I think it's because I'm not a huge Aaron Paul Guy Really don't love Aaron Paul agreed anything except for breaking bad and I don't even think this is the rules when that wasn't the point of the character and like I'm a very cynical person so for my perspective I'd be like man I could see like how you just be completely turned on make the fucking movie and if you WANNA watch it watch it if not don't but I I liked it I was cool no I agree with you but it's also could just hide how fast it went on uncomfortably long whereas they're clearly hiding is what's happening here hey what is it it's like you're exhausted you're tired and I don't WanNa be here but I'm glad of almost at the end of this and he said this was a completely different feeling for him where there's oh I'm in the minority on this I think he was good I'm just I'm not a huge air bog I don't get totally compelled by his stuff I don't dislike not say I dislike him at just I think we've talked about it when we started the review I kind of like the necessary necessity for this movie maybe should be factored into it because I do think this movie was made as an extension breaking bad that we didn't really need an I enjoyed that much I think it was well shot there's a lot of tense moments especially like the old West gunfights scene with the guy from righteous gemstones actually Scott something like I don't feel anything I live disappointed like this is a good product but I feel bummed out because I was really hoping for something better or at least like diverse it has to be as good or better I don't think it was either of those by really any stretch of the imagination which Kinda sucks on its own it's like a solid like extra episode off to your own creation and not want to be involved in it and if you'd like you've seen that with some people and they just like they even actors I don't WanNa be associated with that role like Harrison Ford by himself because he he wanted to get away from it too and it was like exactly as you were explaining it makes perfect sense and he said this was a really great closer yeah things but I have no regrets I'm watching it but it was I think Vince said that where he said it's one of those things where I was I was toying with I there's just those there's four of them there's three of them already we're one Jim Knight men that's their Pitch Guy Movie I consider the deadwood movie part of like the Universe and like the entourage movie I feel like it was a little bit different but like aren't obvious that was a big flop and a little bit different from fucking awesome thrashed movie a he he very much enjoyed his he wrote the whole thing himself he got help and knows mother people but like he wrote this by himself and he said it was it was great for him despising the idea of its placement in the series right like you're at your you despise how they ended the series right yeah for sure that at all I think the content great but I think it just was the same sort of thing like you don't get a definitive ending and they really fucking hammered that home they're like yeah he's fine he's driving off in the sunset everything's cool and I really wish I didn't get that the Berry legitimately been doing that he likes really love but if this if this were episode sixty three aired the week after he maybe almost second ambiguous ending or something like that but again it's not a it's on its own it's solid and I think you get the classic Vince Gill twists like throughout the movie which are always fun I feel like I can't trust go read this rolling stone interview with them it's it's amazing it baby really really enjoyed the movie more yeah so I ended up giving an eighty and and give it not a great rating like I don't think it was necessary but for me I think in that sense I know it's tough to separate like I'm okay with saying it's unnecessary I just I'm not going to Ding points because of the breaking bad it's only four breaking bad fans and again he built this as not a standalone movie which I think whether he designed by that or not compared to the fucking Veronica Marcia then so I think it's more like dead it's like the the ballpark of like as good as the ending of breaking bad nfl like I would have preferred having ending to like Jesse Packman story beyond big use in like be able to make up my own kind of association so I'm going to go back and watch it again and kind of see it from a different Lens I liked I p plus again good true what did you think it's like almost any audience like if you polled one hundred people off the street right now and said what do you think that had the best TV show ending like a decent amount of them say breaking so I think if you're GonNa make this movie as an extension of that his name and like others a lot of good moments the first act in for second act both kind of dragged like it was really slow build up like the last like probably forty five minutes really always funny when you like watching the scenes with thieves and they have a code in it and go back and forth but yeah good for the most part we enjoyed it seventy five from trill I four yeah I enjoyed that scene I thought that was one of the better scenes of the movie well it's it's I'm sorry I forget the actor's name but he passed away last week and he was the rob the farmer no at that like the two the two dudes you're talking about the one guy with the welding the welder and I forget his name was Scotty Gemstone offer I think with this I just ended on it like breaking bad's ending is one of the best and I think ubiquitously one of the best movie or TV show endings like across like him Mike Calling the police away too so he could write his own house the whole gunfire has a gun second pocket like I think that's my favorite part by the way the neo adding the best edited we'd all hate it despised absolutely I think that that's more for order though that's more for dislike that that that that point that you're despising your fucking hit hard and are awesome and it's cool it kind of seemed like get to see all all your old friends from like this show board which we all kind of wash really religiously for so long and but other than that like I just at the end of it that where I think my thing is I just wasn't looking at maybe it's unfair for me I wasn't as compelled as I was by something from like breaking bad itself definitely the best comparison yet I think otherwise good our audience really liked it's perspective and and that I don't I'm not gonNA take I've seen this now two things this is one Zombie lands on next
Episode 992 - Yorgos Lanthimos
"Hey, folks, it's me Marc Maron. I'm about to tell you where I'm going to be playing all you people in LA. I don't think there are any more tickets left for the dynasty typewriter residency February tenth February seventeenth February twenty four th March seventeenth I believe they are sold out. I should know. I know I should know. But I believe they are the Wheeler opera house March twenty third and Aspen. I think there's tickets boulder theater in boulder March twenty fourth. I believe there's tickets the Lowery and solve furred England, April fourth. There's tickets Royal Festival Hall, London, England, April six, Yup. Tickets. The rep theatre April eighth in Birmingham England. I believe there's tickets vicar St. April eleventh in Dublin might be tickets. So they're go to W T F pod dot com slash tour. I will be announcing more dates shortly. I'm doing some club dates also in the spring. So as Rachel says listen to this space. Now, she doesn't say that. She had watched it, whatever. Ever come on. Let's do the show. All right. Let's do this. How are you? What the fucker is what the fuck buddies. What the fucking years? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This my podcast. How's it going your goes land? The most the director of the favorite is on the show today. I don't know if you've seen his other movies, but I've watched all of them. Yeah. I've watched all of them Alps dog tooth the killing of the sacred deer the lobster this one the favorite. I think that's almost all of them. There was some other ones some short films. I didn't watch but go sink your brain into that stuff. Yeah. Go sink your teeth, your brain teeth into dog tooth, see what that does to your to your head try that. Anyway, I had some questions, and it's never turns out the way I think it's going to turn out. But anyways, why am I saying that's twice with the anyways? He's here. But first, let's walk through this experience. I look I'm not a diva I'm not a premadonna. I'm not a high maintenance dude onset when I act but the other day, I'm going out into the night to shoot glow by night. I mean, I got up at five in the morning for a six fifteen call. I generally bring a little travel bag with what I need in it to my trailer. So I can function during the day. I need dental floss, and you toothbrush toothpaste, I need mouthwash. I'm just I don't know. I've gotten weird with that. I just after lunch. You know when I get there. I just tried to, you know, take care of stuff, you know, you prepare. I don't know what you do. But you got a little bit. You bring you got some things that make you feel at home when you're not at home, some rituals some things you need to do in order to keep your brain kinda grounded. And obviously one of those things it's in that bag is my nicotine lozenges. So. Now that we're in the throes of addiction to these fucking things I need to get off number hitting the wall. Again, how many times folks for you? People have been with me a long time. How many times is this? So it's six fifteen in the morning, and I'm driving and I'm almost to set. And I realize I don't got my bag. I don't got my stuff. I got my goods got my my goal juice. I don't got my my drug and that wave of like the fuck now, how am I going to function? I know what's going to happen to me about two hours. Maybe three hours. I'm going to become an asshole. I'm going to become an irreducible. Fuck I'm going to become undead on this is a long shoot day. Now, we're not talking about meth when talking about coq we're not talking about dope. Not even talking about weed. You know, there's no real challenge to getting nicotine lozenges wants to fucking Walgreens opens but in. That moment of panic. I was just like my brain just started spinning I gotta deal with this now, and I got out of my car. It's still dark out. I went up to the and I said, look man, I didn't I forgot my nicotine, and I'm gonna be I'm going to be an asshole when the clock hits about seven thirty. I'm going to turn into a dick. So we gotta get on this. She's like, no problem. And I'm like really I'd never asked people for much. You know, I'm not like, you know, I don't have a writer. That's complicated. Usually it's like veggies and some homeless in thing almonds backstage. So I don't never I never really I don't want. I don't like being a problem to people. And I'm like, well, what do we do? She goes off transport. Go get him transporter transportation guys, they got their their ears to the ground. There got their foot on the pedal. These dudes Teamsters, and I'm like, okay. Well, and I go to my trailer. And I look up Walgreens, there's one that opens very close by six thirty. I'm like, this is going to be I'm gonna nail this thing, man. And like I got a ride to set the transport guy says Ron was sending someone over the Walgreens. I'm like, dude, you don't even know. He's like, I do know. And I'm like, I'm not really this guy. Like, don't worry about it. I I appreciate it. So I I need that shit. And he's he's like, yeah. I know I know it's like to need that shit. And I'm like great. And I just got that feeling that like, I'm like, I'm not I'm not high maintenance. But I got that feeling. He said, no, you're not. And I'm like, wow. What have you? What are the what are the transportation guys stories? What do they added deal with? What have had what did they had to drive into the night to get you know to accommodate some more demanding? So everybody's yeah. There's dark wisdom. They're not even really put it together and really realize them in my own world. But you know, before we even started shooting night a box of nicotine Ida bottle of mouthwash, I had a fucking toothbrush. And that was all I needed. That's my diva kit. Nicotine lozenges, some bluest Arene a toothbrush and some floss picks. I'm I am fucking out of control out of fucking control. I don't know if you noticed this, but posted rates have gone up. Again, you notice that thankfully with stamps dot com. You'll get five cents off every first class stamp and up to forty percent off priority mail that kind of savings really adds up especially for small businesses. Plus damps dot com. Automatically calculates imprint the exact amount of posted you need for every letter or package, you send you'll never overpay or underpay again. Best of all, you stems dot com completely online, which saves you time, no more inconvenient trips to the post. Office by imprint official US postage for any letter any package any class of male using your own computer and printer anything you can do at the post office. You can now do from your desk for less. It's great for me because I'm working on my garage. So if you're listening to this, and he want to spend less time and money on your mailing and shipping needs. Go. Get this special offer that includes a four week trial, plus free postage and a digital scale. See for yourself by over seven hundred thousand small businesses, you stamps dot com. Just go to stamps dot com. Click on the microphone at the top of the homepage type in WPF that stems dot com. Enter w. Tf? Holy moly. Wow. Your goes length of Greek fella. Great director has a vision. It's daunting. Here's the here's the deal. When I knew I was going to interview him. I was excited that he had a relatively small filmography like a handful of movies, right? There was a couple that were grew. There was a couple of short film and another thing he co directed. But it seems like it really started with dog tooth, and then and then there was the next film was called Alps, and then the lobster and then the killing the sacred the're and then the favourite he's a regular. He's relatively young fellate when I'd seen the favorite and after I'd seen the lobster. I always assume these guys who do movies at are challenging and disturbing and cryptic is. That is that the word I wanna use surreal of served, but but aggressive that they possess. I dark wisdom. If you listen to my Paul Thomas Anderson, I couldn't be more surprised I thought that guy was going to be a dark wizard. It turns out he said do fall from the valley. Whose dad was a a goofball TV personality in Ohio. I think if I remember correctly best friends with Tim Conway. So I always I still assume that like I'm going to get to the bottom of what the fuck these movies mean because I had that experience. I'm like, I say I watch dog tooth, and I watched it and in fifteen minutes in Mike what's happening an hour in. I'm like holy fuck. What is going on this disturbing? It was hitting me. I was getting punched around my brain was having an experience that was you know, fucking with it. But I couldn't put it together. Really? I mean, I seek meaning you know, when when something is hard to understand that means see every time. I watch a film that I don't understand or that seems to be layered. I never blame the film when I when I don't understand. I never dismiss it. I never say like, well that was fucked up who needs adder fuck that movie or you know, that that that was. Terrible. No. My first reaction is I I'm fucking idiot. Why am I not smart enough for this? How come I can't contextualize this? I fucking studied film, and I don't know what's going on. And I really sense with with art. I forget what artists supposed to do. And I'm dating a painter. And I get that. But I never heard of more put more succinctly. It was interesting because this all just happened. I like the movies. I liked Alps. Oh, I dog tooth. I liked him. Dr this violently. Absurd. It's violent of absurd ISM. Yeah. Alps is a who've you guys know the lobster killing a sacred deer heavy, man. But what you realize with your goes is that there is a vision that he does everything very intentionally. And if you watch the favourite it's meticulous in how it's directed in. How it set and you can see that? He gets exactly what he wants out of his framing and out of the way, he shoots, and he's got a vision that he holds throughout all the movies. So he means it and he's great at it. And he honors his vision. I saw that. So I think I felt like you needed to answer for something, you know, and I've had this experience throughout my life. When I was younger with films, like I would watch, you know, some of the great surrealists what primarily Boone, well, you know. I remember seeing when Shannon Lou Lage door even trista which was later one that had a story, but I was. Still like what the fuck is happening. You know, am I missing something? I'm studying this stuff and even with the teacher explaining it. I'm like, why am I not getting it red desert by Antognoni? It's like what what am I it's stunning the look at? But what am I would what's happ? One of my not getting rules of the game grand illusion the Renoir movies. I'm like, I it's French is at where it's dropping off on me what you know. Dryers Joan of arc. I mean, what how long are we going to look at this? This is heavy man. This woman is the heavy, but what's happening? Fellini even the easy ones. Julieta the spirits and Mike I'm missing something. But but like what it is. There are intentions. You're not gonna as you'll see you may not get them from the person that makes it their intentions are honoring their vision. Right. Even if it's like, I don't know what this means. But the image. I want the image. I see this. I want other people to see it. It doesn't who cares. If it's tethered to a story, and the thing that kind of blew my mind, and it wasn't a theatrical performance. But I went to an event. All right. I'll I'll I'll give fancy with the I'll drop some names. I went to a sort of a toast the reception for the Steppenwolf theater that was hosted by William freakin, Bill freakin and his wife, Sherry Lansing, Wayne. Freakin the director of sorcerer French connection exorcists and two of Tracy Letts his movies, but it was honoring Steppenwolf in let's Tracy Letts. Who's who's my my buddy right now? I don't mean that it's conditional. I mean, we seem to be becoming. Friends. So I was invited to this thing. And the Steppenwolf people were there was about networking here in LA. They're going to do a several plays at the Mark taper. As I told you before Tracy's play window vistas now at the Mark taper. It's great I recommend it. Again, the Casto's air Laurie Metcalf was air some of the original members of Steppenwolf were there and new members the artistic director. But they were they want to have a presence in that way. But this is all besides this is just me telling you that I was at a fancy event, but Bill freakin started talking about you know, what theater does and also in and his wife Sherry Lansing about. When you go see a play, it changes your life. If you leave a changed person, you you're talking about it. You're thinking about things differently. You're seeing something differently for the first time the plate self has an effect. And that's what our our to do that it should change your life. And that you can't explain that all the time. I mean, you can see narrative films like you remember? Bits and pieces, but sometimes she goes deeper, and and it's it's provocative in a way that you may not understand. But you do feel changed and that was sort of a good a good thing for me to hear. Because sometimes I don't always know. I know I have said that, you know, a painting should should punch you in the brain in your brain should stay punched, and that's a similar thing. 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The favourite is the movie that is nominated for ten Academy Awards, including best director for my guest. And I was looking for answers. And what ended up happening is. We had a nice conversation. And I realized that that answers aren't necessarily important, but conversation is this is me talking to your goes length amorphous. How often do you come here? I think lately I've been coming up because of the promotion of films and all that. Yeah. You like it. I like it. I started liking it. Yeah. When when I first came here with what is this place? I mean, we're whereas were they old buildings where we're when was built a really that's your first reaction. It's architectures. Yeah. Architecture. Yeah. Where's the center of this town is the center where which is a neighborhood, which is residential right? What's going on? I mean, I couldn't just figure out. And then I started to like it at like, I like the chaos, and I people take you places there. Yeah. You don't know neighborhoods? Right. It's all of a sudden like this is the office of so. And so yeah. Yeah. No. I really started liking it, you know, and when you know, some people in the get to proper places. Yeah. See, you know, then you realize different things. And I quite you know, I'm of warmed to. Yeah. And now, you're like, you're you're somewhat celebrated. I would imagine this is like I imagine you're here when year for the Globes. Yeah. Mean here for the Globes, and whatever is around you might you say you really going through it. I mean, I know that you've gotten some fanfare, but there's something about Hollywood fanfare, it's a little different, isn't it? It is kind of different. It's like you actually made. Know, you are you're not just a guy with the foreign film nomination. Exactly. It's like that everywhere. I mean, like in France, you know, people are like about French films right in Europe. You're about Ken and Vannes. Yeah. So it's you know, it's all these little worlds. Yeah. That have their own rules, and you have different value in different. I'm not like mnay, huge foreign film guy. I don't keep up as much as I should. I can't keep up with anything. Really? And I'd seen the lobster a couple years ago. And then I watched the favorite in a theatre, which was good. I'm glad I saw in the theater and not the screener. And then and then I I went back and I watched a dog tooth. And then I watch Alps I've seen I've seen all of them. And I gotta be honest. It took me it took me about four days. To get through dog tooth. I I had I had I had to take a couple of breaks. Yeah. But but yeah. Because like, I don't know if it's a European sensibility or Greek sensibility or just your sensibility, I've grown to believe that it's your sensibility. But you know, I I have to approach the movies a little differently because there's so many things I don't understand. Yeah. And then layered on top of that just your particular vision is somewhat difficult to understand outside of it being Greek like the first wing they sent me for dog tooth and have subtitles. And I'm like, this is not gonna work. I'm not gonna be able to do John Slade it. Yeah. But but so we're like I told me I've never really talked to anybody from Greece. And I don't know much about it. So what how did you come up over there? What was what was your childhood like in terms of like where did you were? You like would you folks do like what is Greece? Like, well, that's a big one would sure like for. No for me. I my. Had a my parents. My father was a relatively known basketball player. Really? And you know, we're good in basketball in Greece. I don't see. How would I know that? Well, you should maybe. No. Because we be even the US Olympics. You know, were like that good at some point. So that's interesting because the Olympics, I think when you're in Europe is I guess it's a pretty big deal for everybody. But it's I mean, I think when you live in a smaller country yet America's so fucking big that you can just sort of like, you know, you, you know, Texas is its own country. That's true. I think with like Greece like, you know, you know, the National Basketball team, I don't know National Basketball team. So he was a basketball player. He was. Yeah. And of course, that was back in the seventies. So it wasn't so professional. Yeah. Wasn't so celebrated. So he was but he was well known and is he was he tall. He was his SOLAS. I little bit taller than I am not. Not with today's standards different generation, right? He's like one ninety two centimeters. So you I metric also you have to translate that. Again. I I have a lot of cultural differences figure it out as soon as you say centimeters. I'm like very short, man. Tall. Is this glass? I would imagine. No. It's like six feet, like whatever. Yeah. He's pro ball player that was your child. Did you grew up with the pro basketball player? He's retired by the time. You remember? Well, actually, there were separated with my mother's since I was very young. So I just go to see him now. And then and I. Yeah. So I grew up with my mother. Yeah. Mr. she died when I was seventeen I got. No, no brothers or sisters, your it. So I met and your mom passed away when you're seventeen. Yeah. So basically from then on I just had to figure it out on my own. And like when was the like, what were you? When did you start getting interested in in? What did you start with theater? No, I always wanted to do film. Yeah. But I couldn't really admit that in Greece. 'cause. You don't know much about Greek cinema guests, and that's right. Because there's not a lot of it hasn't been a lot of it. I mean, the last few years there's more younger people that are making films there. But it wasn't like a proper was never a proper industry. There was no there's no structure there, I know appropriate education. So it's for young boy in Greece to go like I'm going to be making films. Yahoo will look at you. Like, you're crazy. Right. Well, what did you study early? So I got into the university to study marketing and financing, which I never would have anything to do with. So I dropped out of that. I did play a little bit basketball myself until I was seventeen eighteen where you good at. It was generic. I was okay. I think one of the reasons probably that I didn't you know, went through with it as that. I felt that I'd never be as good as my father thing or. Was your father? No nationally. I mean was he the do people come up to you? When I was young like, it was like are you related to donors, which is my father's name. So I was like, yeah. Yeah. He's my father. The other way around is he around still he's around. Yeah. You get along with them. I see him every now. And then I mean, we've never had a very close relationship 'cause. Yeah. But I would see him over the years every now, and then you did like when like even after your mother passed away. He didn't sorta no actually, no. That was. I guess one of the reasons that you know, we didn't see each other so much that. Yeah. He didn't want to have their responsibility of. Yeah. Have you? Yeah. Have me. So this kid now seventeen exactly too late. No. But that was you know, it was fine and enabled me to do things that I I don't know if I would have done if I was brought up in a different way. And so I like I said I dropped out from marketing to you knew of marketing university, and I went to this the only private little private film school that we have you know, about it's called Stavrakakis. It's a someone's name. It's. No quick movements. Teachers haven't done many films were quite a few years. But I got to meet people there that are also interested in making film. Yeah. But but the goal was the the idea was that I was going to study film in order to start making commercials because that seemed like a proper job practical. Yeah. Like, I would there is such a thing and people do it. And there's there was quite a boom in the nineties into two thousand in Greece. So that felt like a job. I never thought that I was actually going to be making films. But when you were a kid like where where did you gravitate towards films? I mean, was it something that you know, you were interested in early on or what what created the the idea the notion? Yeah, I was but as I say it was it was never tangible that would actually make films properly. We would do it for fun with friend. Yeah. You know, Sealy things and. Yeah. Then it was like, what did I do something which is related to it that I'll get the the education out around it. And who knows maybe one day, I'll make film, but for the time being I'll get the technical knowledge in order to do commercials or TV, or whatever what did your mom? Do. It was an employee in the store that sold up a ply Ince's electric appliances. And so no, she wasn't a creative driven person. You didn't really grow up with it. You just know really just kind of came out of nowhere just decided to win. Did you start? How did you start to sort of educate yourself? You know, in terms of like, I guess you say there was no real Greek film industry. But I mean, you must have wheel you primarily watching European films. American films, all of it. Yeah. It all started pretty straightforward. Like, you know, I grew up with the jaws and the. The raiders of the lost ark and food lose and Flashdance. And you know, that's all the big ones. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. What more? What more? Do you need? Exactly. There's two four. You're all set. That's the guy chancing. You got your scary? Actually, you've got your swashbuckling. Yeah. It's. And then, you know, I also watched the European films later on when I started studying film. And I, you know, I got to know about filmmakers and watched a lot of films of those. Let's go through that. Because like. Because I, you know, I studied film, and you know, I'm a relatively smart guy. And you know, I found I was talking about I was actually talking about watching your movie Alps of when I was doing comedy last night. Okay. Because I want to hear that. Because what I said was is I go to the club late to do a spot, and I've been home. I watched I watched about half of it. And I said, you know, I had to come out. I was at home watching a movie, I didn't understand earlier, and I had to take myself away from that. And what the the observation I made is when I can't quite grasp something, I never blamed the the art like I like, I watch it. And I'm like, I finish it. And I'm like, I watched the whole thing. I tried. I'm not sure I got it. And if I didn't it I'm the asshole. I it was very generous. But but you the thing about your films that everything's intentional. This is not some sort of haphazard you making you're making very specific choices, you know, from scene to scene in dialogue. And you know, I understand that there's absurd ISM at play. But they're all loaded up, and they all have an effect. So it's not like, you know, he didn't know what he was doing. He he's winging it, you know, you you sat there with a piece of paper and made decisions. Yeah. And throughout the process in an editing room when you're filming. Yeah. You you make decisions who wished do people. Because like, I just wonder, you know, not that I have a narrative craving necessarily, but like in order to sort of pay attention and to have the effect of your movies. Like I noticed today. Like I finished watching the outs. And like, I became very, hyper aware of everything I was doing when I wasn't watching the movie like the tone of the film somehow infused in my life. You know, like everything became like the glass is it a glass. But but where's that star for you? I mean, what was the like when you did commercials. What what what were the first moments where you started to realize the power of creating or evoking, it's not so much confusion. But but a tone, you know, what I mean, I guess in happens, you know, first of all by washing films, and realizing all the different effects that they can have who are your guys. What was the first kind of mind blowing moment when you were watching a film, and you're like, oh, this is I guess. Tarkovsky was one of the first film makers that I go to learn through film school that I didn't know anything about that was in film history class. Yeah. So we learned about it. And then there's. There's some nice during summer in Greece. There's a lot of open air cinemas. I mean, they're not as many anymore. Yeah. But they're beautiful open air cinemas in various neighborhoods, where you can, you know, have a little table, and you eat something you're outside. Yeah. Rounded by apartment buildings. Yeah. And you watch films, so they would do like retrospectives. So I would watch his films, and then John Kesse various was what was it about Tarkovsky specifically that that you found sort of engaging? Well, it was just for the first time seeing like a it was like a different completely different medium discovering. Like something new a vision. How you know how can images affect you in a different way? It doesn't have to be of fast narrative, and you know, how poetic it can be and how you can lose yourself in it, right? Engage but with your own personality. There's a lot of openness jet like you can bring your own stuff in bed. Yeah. And see things and understand things in maybe a different way to how the person next to us. Yeah. Experiencing the same thing at the same time right now. Everything's not explained. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And. Yeah. The the use of sound and image, and it was very it was very different from me. And I was you know, and then, you know, like watching right after that, John Cassavetes film, which is very different stylistically for me at in a weird way to has a very similar effect. But different through through a different route. Yeah. It's more. It's more. As a human driven space. Yeah. You know? I I mean, the few Tartas car Tarkovsky movies. I've seen you know, it's a lot of cinematic space. But with cavities, there's there's something heightened, but you know, it's very engaged with people. Yeah. But the the fact that it's so heightened also takes it to a different level. Although it feels kind of Maurya Listrik, it kind of transcends that and and you enter a different space again. Yeah. And there's also that feeling like these people are talking and the context seems familiar to me. But I don't know what the fuck is happening. With what's going on with these people? Yeah. That's I think that's a good feeling. I guess no. It's again, it's I enjoy watching films like that. I guess what? I'm trying to do is create films like the ones that I'd like to see because you watch movies constantly. I I watch a lot of movies. I'm not like an obsessed. Yeah. Film buff or anything. But I do I kind of I tend to watch the same films over and over again. We'll say, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're familiar like friends. Yeah. So and I'd rather watch something that I really like, then what's the white which ones have you watched them over and over like every time. It's like sometimes I'll just be watching TV or cable and wanna come on. I'm like, I'm I'm in. I don't it doesn't even matter where it starts. I just watched casino again the other day. Because I haven't seen that like quite a few that great. Yeah. It's a great film. Can you watch? How I found that as I get older I'm not able to watch the head and the vice seen as much. I used to be able to sensitive a little bit. Yeah. It's weird. I was just like I don't know if I need this. I know what's going to happen here. They were the weird thing with me is like. How much affected I can get by those kind of things being so much. You know on the inside and seeing how these things are created, even though you know, how it works. Yeah. You know, how it works? The the difficult thing is for me to be affected by this. And that's when I know that a film really grabbed me because I forget about the weights made. Yeah. You're not sitting there going. Oh, I know how. Yeah. I understand that shot ninety exactly when when you when you were able to do that and be someone that it's actually making film. They yet at like, very strong right yell at him. So what are some of the movies, you watch repeat like, I what some Miklos young to films every time before have hunger in film may. Yeah. Like the red in the white or. Yeah. I haven't seen those and around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those are great. The they're pretty amazing. It's it's more about being inspired by people who made things you know, that. That kind of chains cinema away just going like look at look look what they did. In like, go on you something trying you know, like if it gives you a inspires you to to to push envelope. Yeah. Orca. So various see husbands all the time. Yeah. Or women under the influence that movie's crazy. I mean like I've watched that a few times and Gena Rowlands is like. The best. Yeah. She's amazed. If you that's people say that about a lot of things she really is. But she's kind of the best she singular, and that's for sure. And you you you tend to use actors more than once to you seem to lock into people. But what was the first was the commercials. Did you do? Who? I've done hundreds of green commercials of Greek commercials. I started really low it's doing like lawyers. No, no, even worse. Wait. Like, I started. Which was I was very lucky starting really young. I started on the while I was on the second year film school. So like I was twenty years old, and I started doing commercials, really cheap. And there were during that time. There was a lot of gifts with newspapers they would gift a coffee maker thing newspaper. Your would by the newspa- with the subscription, you'll get a coffee coffee mega. And so do the the commercial for the coffee maker and the newspaper. Yeah. So things like that. I started with things like that. And then you know, I moved up the ladder. And there was a lot of commercials for banks and mobile phone companies, and then they'd works. Yeah. But there was a time. Like like, I said late nineties and two thousand two thousand nine where the crisis hit Greece. Yeah. It was it was insane. The I would like to three commercials a week. There was a lot of work. I learned a lot. I, you know, technically speaking I made friends that we ended up making films together. And they they kind of enabled me to because as I said there was no structure. There's no financing in Greece to make films. They kind of enabled me to go. You know, uh five we can get the camera and a couple of actors and go and make a film. Yeah. That's how I made my first film, Connecticut, which you pros jury, and it's a feature film. Yeah. And you know, we were very technically proficient and crew. Yeah. You we didn't need much. We, you know, we didn't need lights or makeup or anything just shooting video mostly no film. Always fell. Yeah. Well, I did a couple of films digitally, but I didn't enjoy the experience digital. Yeah. So I went back to film, and you do you have experience with eater. I I've made. Like three or four plays in Greece that you've written. No, no directed directed. And that was a good experience for me to in order to learn how to work with actors. But did you like did you have any specific training in that? No, it kind of happened. If you read a book. Red. I read a play the first time it was they offered me to do a play. There was a very interesting kind of experience. It wasn't experimental theater. Really just more Avangard theater in in Athens. And the director of the theater offered me to do a play. When I read the play was by Greek writer. And I liked it. And I went like why not and I tried it. And I enjoy enjoy the experience of working with the actors. And I learned a lot and the great thing about theater in Greece's. I've you you have a lot of time. You you have you can have like two three months for her cels before you use. Yes. Play which is not common right from what I learned afterwards. So that I learned a lot about working with actors and working with like, I imagined lighting people and technicians, and yeah, yeah. But that I already knew a lot about that from commercials to you know. Yeah. Years of doing that. And then I kind of did a play every, you know, two three years, but I in the end, I was never really taken by the the final result theater. I don't I don't really like as much now. But I enjoyed the process. What is it that that the the the the temporary nature of it or very favorable? Merel Yukon really have a lot of control over it. Yeah. Yeah. It changes every night. I guess that's the interesting. The interesting part for the actors or for someone who sees it more than once. But you feel kind of helpless your, you know, whenever I went to see the performance, and I I wasn't a Gauranga. Like, what are you doing? That's not what we. Yeah. That was supposed to happen. You know and going can manage. Yeah. Couldn't control it. So yeah, I kind of gave up on that. And I focused more on films because it makes sense. Like, yeah. Some people that's the part they love about. Yeah. I do understand in other people like what is happening and actors. So the first film. I wish I'd seen that one. So dog tooth was the second one was the second film. But everybody thinks is the first one because the first one was very obscure was rarely do you have a copy of it. I do have a I'll give it to you. I don't think you're going to. I love that bit that you do. I don't have enough time. I don't know how much time. So I don't think it's a film that you're going to spend time and take the time. You know, like I really do. I do take the time. But sometimes I don't I'm not exactly sure. Like, I I think that the the idea was talking about last night. I get intimidated by things where where I think like there's somebody have. The zero manual that will enable me to understand like, I I was looking through watching all the movies and then getting to the favourite which you didn't right, right? Which is big difference. You know to try to find the the key to to to what you're doing. Like, it's what's really interesting is when you go like, I m d and they sort of give you the the line of what the movie is. It's just sort of like, it's fucking hilarious. You know like you look at the one for dog tooth. It's like overprotective. Parents don't let there like there's one line to describe that movie or with Alps that's like a group of people create a business to help people grieve by posing. And that's the only that's all you got. And I'm like that is not enough that it was the first movie about. I guess that's how hard question, isn't it? Kind of is. I mean, physically speaking was about three people living in resort town outside of Athens that was dying and it was portrait of these people in there were kind of reenacting crimes and happening the air in the area. Yeah. There was a cop in a maid in a hotel and. A photographer that we're enacting crimes and in support of these three people. But also the the place is quite important as well. It's it's an old resort town outside Athens where they built an oil refinery next to it and. Yeah, so it kind of started dying. You know, people had house it some houses and hotels, and they kind of they had no control over the oil fact. So we kind of became a little bit deserted all those hotels. Yeah. And those houses, so it's in that became fascinating to you. It became fascinated. I mean, I I, you know wrote the story, and I was imagining those people, and then I was looking for a place to do it. And I I drove by this place, and I saw this hotel that is a hotel from the seventies. And he'd seem kind of Mt on the beach. And I went in with my assistant director at the time. We were going around looking for places, and we walk into an empty. Hotel, and we're trying to find someone and there was no one there. It was open. Now. It was open. Yeah. It was open. But there was no one there knowing that the reception we started walking around restaurant known there. And at some point we see gyn go like ho. Hi, we're you know, we're looking for locations. We're gonna make a film we asked him. So when when do you open, you know, which are the busiest times for you? And he goes like, we're open, and we're full and we go like, okay. Maybe he didn't understand like, no, no. I mean, like when when when is the hotel fool, and you have a lot of bookings and people going around he says right now, we're completely full. There's no one. And then we go like we start. There was no one there. And then we thought that he was crazy. But then after a lot of time he explained to us that all the workers that work in the older finally refinery that the lot of them are brought from. From Thailand, I are actually actually live there. So they use these this old resort hotel with a swimming pool that was empty and there he just to how these two house, you know, workers from from Thailand, I think and so were you looking actually it. So you could figure out when you could shoot there. Yeah. So it was like it's it's an empty hotel. Why can't we should here? Yeah. So yeah. So we incorporated that in the film visually something I have the time the workers there that come back from work. Yeah. With vans, and they you know, just hang out there. And I guess my question with that is and I don't want you to misunderstand. I like your moving. Okay. No, no serious. I, you know, I find him fascinating. And I was moved by them. But like I have to like, you know, get into the habit of watching straight narrative movies. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And like, you know, I watched you Dr films to been welcomes I studied film history. And I and I like those movies, but you watch him in different way. And you be, but but your expectations are still there. So when you have a brain that's always like looking for morsels of narrative. Yeah. We'll somehow, you know, then then you realize that part of what you're doing is is under cutting that and everything becomes earned in a different way. Right. So like just as an example, when you talk about the conception of that first film. What's the title of it again, commit the so you have this. You have this scene where you have these three characters in this deserted resort town, reenacting crimes that happened in the area. Now, that's something that that sort of reoccurs through at least two of your movies where you have people reenacting. Things for one reason or another. I mean, certainly in dog tooth indefinitely in the Alps. So what what what is what what what is the kernel of that idea? Why is fascinating to you. That's an interesting question that I've never thought about. I don't know. I guess there's something about what draws us in all those spectacles like theater and. Yeah. Like, you know, watching people reenact, you know, life in in a certain way or moments of it or situations and how you can play around with that to expose more things. And maybe even tour things about what goes on in those kind of interaction writing the events. Yeah. By you know, obsessing on a detail of something that happened may be or the the way you do things or the way you say things, right? I don't know. I'm I'm winging and right now, I haven't really I I don't really like to talk about the non necessarily talk about. But think about it too, much and intellectualize it. Analyze it. A lot of it is instinctive. Sure, but I, but I think that that that that was my experience because like I just realized that, you know, you do it in the lobster as well. I mean, there's you know, there's there's a improvise and sort of a process of of of complex sign language. And then there's you know, but, but I notice that in all the movies that you have these emotional interactions, and you realize that the dialogue is not matching the the the moment, and that is obviously intentional. But what you do get is. You realize how it kind of breaks down language itself. In terms of like, you know, how important is it really an in even in our real life. You know, what what's really being said, it does it have anything to do with what's going on in this moment. I guess it depends in different situations. Sometimes it matters. Sometimes it doesn't. Yeah. And that movie so how was that received in which one the first movie the first was received as a very, you know, difficult obscure wasn't released property. It was only a few years released in the UK. Yeah. On DVD. But you know, it's it's been you know, since the other films became a little bit known. It's been shown around. They showed it at tape. Mortaring at some point. And oh, yeah. Well, that's it's it's it has a huge life. That's interesting that world, right? So that world like, you know, it's at the tape modern would that that new museum? That is great. Yeah. That's base is great. Isn't it? Do you walk in there and just sort of like holy shit. I can't I every time. I go to London. That's one of the and I don't go that often. But I always go there almost entirely for the building itself. Yeah. Isn't it? Incredible pay, but that's sort of the world that you seem to be that you might occupy a bit is that, you know, your your films will be shown at museums to to that there is a sort of art to it that is not Flashdance that this is not the rent is isn't a little bit of flash tens in it in the recognize and dog to the Flashdance reference with where they don't know if I know that movie that well, which part there was a dance that she does. It's six completely ripped from flash. Then when she's dancing by herself her family, that's the choreography into talented. Well, let me ask you then. So without over intellectualize ING expecting too much. I know it's hard to explain poetry or impulse. But you do commit to it. And I, and I guess when unlike theater, you know, which your experiences that you don't have control over it. And the someone misses her cue or does the the the line not in the way that you would rehearse it sort of upsetting, or at least, it's aggravating. But when you watch your films, which he spent a lot of time with making them. Do you find the do you do you get that satisfaction of resolution? Do you do you know, what is the effect for you? Once you've completed some though. Well, first of all after I've completed couldn't lead them. I don't watch them anymore. Unless you know, maybe ten years later like for instance, I did watch a little bit of my first film, Connecticut, when it was shown at the Tate, I just checked the print. Yeah. So I watched like ten minutes of it. And I want like, it's okay. There's some good things in it. It's you know, it's not that bad as a remembered that. Yeah. You know, mostly it's like, you know, this thing that you've tried to. Yeah. You know, create an Heidel the the stitches and all that when wrong, and you're trying to fool people into believing that you know, it's a perfect object. Yeah. That they, you know, I guess my question is seeing how you answer that question before is that, you know, when you do a film where you know, you, you know, you're doing a three act, you know, story, right? And you know, you refine that script because you have a story to follow. Right. I imagine a lot of the the the satisfaction or or a lot of the challenges. You know, is is does the story land. Right. So in in the way, you answer that question before it seems to me that, you know, you're taking risks and you're committing to situations and ideas that you don't really know exactly where they're coming from. But they they are poetic and visually provocative enough for you to follow through with them. I guess my question is when you finish. Something does some of that stuff? Do you feel like you resolve the I mean is is the feeling one of resolution because you're not really you're not thinking in terms of story, necessarily, you know, what I'm saying? Yeah. It's never a complete Philly riling. That's the thing. Right. So like, I have made this thing. I had certainly intentions. I, you know, I started being confident when I we wrote a screenplay, and I feel that's you know, solid. And you know, let's go and make it hopefully, it's going to be amazing. And then on the way, you know, things full help par than you know, you have to deal with a lot of practicalities, and it becomes this other thing, and it always it's always like that. And that's a nice thing about cinema where you have a screenplay, which is a blueprint. And then, you know, you end up making something quite different because it's it's own thing. And it has a life of its own. Yeah. So you have to accept that. And I do. Yeah. But the in within that, there's all these other things, you know that. Having worked. Well, right. Right. Have you hopefully somehow disguise for other people that were in? We've you during the experience. What are they gonna save you? It's like. This is something that no one can say to you about any of the films that you wrote and directed is sort of like, you know, I don't think that that story plot worked. But it's not it's not about that. I mean, it's as you said before it could be you entered in through a different, right? Yeah. Space or so to hold that space is the job. Yeah. Hold us and to affect people. Right. You know, in a certain way. Maybe if it doesn't hold together. Well, you don't affect people in whatever way it is that you wouldn't affect them. I guess not about regionally certain about narrative story. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a general feel about the film a town if you manage that you hope that people will, you know, find to it. And and, but I can't you know, I can be so. Objective in and have the distance to you know, by myself. Sure. So it's always about, you know, doing the best that you could for for each film. Yeah. According to what you had in mind in what you were trying to achieve here. And then, you know, give it to people, and then they have their own reaction. And then you just hope how I survive is like even during the editing process. I think of you know, the new stuff and start writing and thinking of the new hoping that it's going to be bad. Well, yeah. And that's in that to me like, okay. So with the first film, we you have the resort, and you have the crimes, and you have the reactions, you know, as a way to enter the the people that you've chosen so with dog tooth. You know, what was the first idea with that? What's just in terms of like, all right? I'm going to sit down. I got this idea. Yeah. The idea was. How much you can influence people's perception about the world view education and everyday life by the word that you present to someone it could be so extreme the idea that someone could have about the world the limit them and educating them in a certain way, and how you know a families. You know, the abuse I unit that can actually do something like this. Yeah. So I think it started from there like imagine. If you have these children that never know the rest of the world exists. Yeah. What does that mean? How you know? How do how do you do that? And what does it mean? And what kind of people, you know, come out of that environment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I so it's a it's a very close family movie. Yeah. It's so funny because the first time I ever heard about it was years ago. I had do, you know, his name is Dino stamina topless. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, his work. I've I've I've read one of his screenplays I've seen the series that he'd done or in or moral Orel oral loved that. Yeah. Spokesman on the phone. He loves you. Yeah. You know? He's he's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like lives a very interesting life. But he wanted he say hold on on my my terrible. Because we we he said, I don't blame my parents. There are people there computers. They just do things. Like, we all do. There are their idea of love was worry, worry, worry, worry worry shelter shelter. Worry worry worry. We, you know, where are you? What are you doing? You know, they were Greek. In fact, a great movie everyone should see is called dog tooth. It's a Greek movie. It's up for an Academy Award this year. But worry is a huge part of the Greek culture is. Is that a generalization? I you know, I understand being Greek. I understand you know, what he means. A tight hold in. I don't know if it's creek or Mediterranean, maybe family family, and how you know kids end up maybe staying with their parents longer than than usual. And there's that link which is stronger. Oh, I it could be, but you know, like with all things, but it wasn't the way you grew up. No. It was exactly the opposite. The act of circumstances. Give a little more freedom in a way. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. And yeah, as I said in the beginning like, I I don't know if you could easily make a decision like in Greece. I'm going to become a filmmaker having you know, par- parents around you that you would actually say that and they wouldn't go like, right? It has lock him up and write an within within Dr tooth like that's the idea that you know, how how much control the people have over people's perceptions. I I have another guest on who actually made a movie with very. With the same plotline. But it was a very kind of pithy cute movie that had narrative structure was by the guy. Kyle mooney. He's on SNL. He made a movie called Biggs, B bear and big bear's. Essentially that idea where this kid was kidnapped and held hostage, basically and his father was creating t. But like I watched both of them within a week of each other. And I'm like, it's interesting that very different approaches similar idea, but within that world. So, you know, you're able to explore sexuality power dynamics in, you know, over, you know, violence, strange fears. The cat thing was hard for me. I have cats with difficult my girlfriend could watch it. But, but you know, strangers thing about people and animals in films. Yeah. How they're affected more from violence on animals than violence on people. I think that a lot of people think that, you know, people have come in. That's true. That animals are more innocent. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. Yeah. I just watched a wild bunch again. And it was like oh my God. How many horses went down for that movie? Well, you didn't really kill a cat. Did you know? No, no, no. No, I'm just saying in in fiction. How people are affected in fiction. No, no, absolutely. Because I think it must be the in it. I remember watching these have you watched this film Heli by this Mexican filming good modest calendars is really good. But it's really violent. It's you know, it's about what goes on in Mexico, and there's people being heads being chopped hanging from his and all that. But there's a scene where policemen picks up a little dog and breaks his neck and that and that's when the cinema all when. Yeah. It is interesting. What do you make of it? Do you think it's innocence saying, I think you're yeah. You're onto something there like the. Yeah. So that movie like dog tooth? I e again like I found it completely compelling and a little bit disturbing when and you definitely honored the tone. And then you evolve into the out the Alps movie, it's fun for me to do this. So what was the what was the inspiration going into that film? What were you like, I got an idea this we're going to make a movie about it? That's well, first of all I work very closely with the famous Philly that we ride together, and he's a very good friend of mine his name if they miss Fairlie. Okay. So we worked together very closely. And the doctor was a for the first film will Rhode together. Yeah. And then after how'd you find this guy in order to have like some sort of simpatico some sort of like, it would seem to me that it would be not that easy to find a guy. Who's like we understand? Yeah. No. He's very rare. But. I found him in an commercials agency. He was he used to work. Hugh Hughes a writer for commercials eight and I had done some I've directed some of the scripts that he hadn't written, and I saw that he was a very specific mind, we became friendly. And then I asked him if you wanted to write a screenplay with me, and that was dog to it was the first time he had ever written film. Yeah. And we we spend that a spent a lot of time writing that and figuring out when you deal with that type of I do you do you mind, the word absurd ISM? I don't my you know, anything absolutely is quite limiting. But okay. No. I don't I it's when you're dealing with with beats like that where you're just sort of like, you know, moving these actors through the it's obviously not random, but you're going scene for seeing you know, when you're working with somebody else. Wh. What what dictates whether it's whether you've you've landed or not like in any particular scene, like even the scene where she does the Flashdance after they all start dancing, and then she keeps dancing and then she gets worn out. Do you look at each of those scenes as their own little arcs? Yes. Right. And I actually doctored was a very very particular process Neapolis we hadn't done it before together. And as I said, it was famous first time writing a screenplay, and we actually started by I had the the idea, and I came to him with the idea, and then we just started writing scenes, nor even a whole story. So we just started writing scenes to see this thing kind of made sands and Howard. We would approach it. Yeah. And from writing like nine ten scenes, yeah. I we we thought that this is there's something in there, and this is working, and so let's sit down and write the whole story and see where that's going to go. And but after that, I think we approached it in a more conventional way where we had the idea, and then we kind of wrote down or apps of for Alps. We wrote down the story and the characters and then started writing scenes, and that that was a discussion. So after Dr we started discussing what what should we do next? It's you know, we wanted to make more it's interesting because I just realized that that sort of like like the the way that again part of that theme of of people being not replaceable. But people playing parts like in dog tooth. You know, you have this woman who's the security guard at the factory where the father works in. He would take her home to have sex with his teenage son. And then you know, that that somehow goes awry through a certain series of events, and they just decide the elder sister can do it. He's safer. Keep it in the house. There's no outside influence. I I just I think it's important this conversation with you because you know, people are really, you know, digging and enjoying the favorite, and that's something you directed. But you you do have this filmography of these very specific types of movies. I think people should see, and you know, kinda get their mind blown so going into the Alps. So now, you're working differently. You're not just writing pieces. You've got you decided what was the original idea? So there's an idea I think we're discussing. About grief and the famous was saying something about someone. Making phone calls pretending to be someone. That was dead. I'm someone in or purpose on purpose. Not. I mean, not a prank call. No, no, Notre prankul like someone would. Commission someone to do that for him. So that he kind of kept the memory of that person or the presence. Yeah. That person alive. And then I went like, you know, it would be more interesting. If that was actually there was a interaction and a physical contact, and how about having these people that we're going to actually do that. And we just started creating this world. And I also think at some point a friend of ours. Found a letter in his house by person was looking to do some kind of work and in the letter he he he wrote. I can I can do your shopping. I can come and have conversations with you can your friend. We can go for for wall. So we yeah. So that was also kind of thing that you know, pointed towards, you know, people that are maybe lonely or are going through something that they may need to, you know, commission friendship right to someone. So all those kind of ideas, morphed into, you know, the story about people that have lost someone and how do you deal with it? And would it be interesting? If you know you hired people to pretend to be the people that you love, right? And that's that's this that. That's the baseline of. But you know, you very quickly. You realize like, I'm not unlike your other movies. That's not really what this is about. But it seems that. In talking you that that the excitement of generating these ideas once you have this framework, which is a loose framework to see what these characters will do that, you know, the excitement of of just letting letting your mind imagination go in how these people interact, and what happens, and I it doesn't seem like why is an important question at all. No, it's it's more about making an experiment and throwing all these people in this situation and see how the interact and. You know, what comes out of an and making observations or exposing, you know, exposing to people and then. Again, people according to their own personalities and experiences and cultural backgrounds or whatever will make out different things. They recognize different things right in those situations. Right. And they might come up with. Yeah. Why? Or what that means to them? I it in even if they can identify that feeling, and, but you know, I it's very aggressive many much of it. And it just like I mean, do you get excited when you decide that she's going to go back to the dance hall and and aggressively dance with her father's. Friend, and then eventually throw her on the floor and begin hitting her is that one moment where you're writing that. And you're like, oh, this is good. Yeah. We got it. And even more exciting. The fact that it's a real mother real-life. It is the lady. There's just but the fucked up thing and the beautiful thing about that movie. Is that you know, it starts with this. You know, very oppressive gymnastic coach, you know, you're telling this gymnast who I guess the actress is your wife Ness that she can't dance to a modern pop song. She's not ready for it. And if she brings it up again, he's going to beat the shit out of her. And then like throughout this entire insane grief ridden weird movie, you book end it with her, you know, you being able to dance to a puff soggy. They hug, and it's like for some reason the ending is completely earned. It was very satisfied. Sounds great. The way you describe it. It gets me excited. I wanna make that movie. Yeah. I just want. I just want people to know if they're sitting here listening going, well, that sounds interesting group of people that you know, that that help people who are grieving this is not about that. It's a group of people that very early on name themselves after mountains and have weird interactions that sometimes become violent nonsensical. And and it'll make you wonder about everything. And then like, and then I like I said before after exiting the movie in my own house. Everything becomes very like. I'm very aware of the life. I'm living which I think is a good thing. Right. Yeah. We're going to keep doing this. Now officer seem to me you're like, I'm gonna make something accessible. I wanna make a movie that everyone can enjoy the as exactly how we. We approached it. No. But the difference is that it was that film is quite important because it was the first thing this language film that I get so after outsi- basically decided to leave Greece, and you know, and live in London and start making English language films. Because you know, the way I made those films in the beginning in Greece. It was, you know, no financing just be amongst friend. Yeah. People work for no money. No pay or very little and we had to pay for it. You know through making commercials and other people helped us as well. But it was, you know, tiny small Phileas, you know, if I wanted to progress in, you know, make other things and be able to make more choices about the stories. I wanted to tell and pay people properly and paid as well and make this for a living. I had to start making English language films. It wasn't it was accessible in a way. Yes. That was the part the part of it said, I'm gonna make English language film. So they're more accessible in a way. And. I'll get a little bit of more financing in order to be able to make them and attract interesting actors, and I try interesting actors always had good actors that woman is in both of the Alps and the and the dodgers. She's very good. She big actress in Greece. She's you know known. I mean, he's more of a alternate of kind of is not like the well known TV actress, right right right against him is not very big rice. See does theaters like devised theater and. Yeah. Because I can see that there are moments in the film where you know, you really let them loose a little bit. Well, that's yeah. Of course. I mean, that's the best thing. If you let the actress loose, you may I right choice about and then you let them loose. So lobster has a fairly straight set up. If you you know, if you're single and you don't. Get somebody you go to this place. And then you got a certain amount of time. And then if you don't get somebody become an animal have your choice. Exactly, it's the technology's not important. It's just a room you go into and things actually. And there are rumors about the how it's sort of a dystopia envision. Yeah. But it's a it's a it is a full vision. Like, you do have a story there that you're honoring not unlike the other ones, but maybe because it is in English that it seems a little more. Accessible in the sense that like you are following a story. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I don't see much different in terms of. I don't find necessarily more narrative than film. I guess not. I guess not. I guess way. If you're familiar with it is it is kind of genre movie, though. Yeah. Right. Well as flirts with czars, right? We just Opie in prison breath prison drama a little bit prison drama. But also just one of those ones where where it's like. Well, this is clearly maybe a future of some kind. It's fiction prison. Yeah. Yeah. Remind comedy. Yeah. Definitely romantic comedy. It's it's very it's very cute. Yeah. And why why Rachel Weiss? She's great actress and Colin Farrell is interior movies. So you know, you do make somewhat of a commitment to certainly him as an actor and driving to your films. What are the qualities in him? That make him a compelling for you as a director and him and his an actor. Well, I always liked calling of in Bruce. I think is is one of great performances I've seen on film. And I thought he he has a very special quality. He he's he's charming and funny, and you can really he's sympathize. No matter what he does. And he really shut him down in the lobster. You got him pudgy and you got him. Yeah. A bit muted, but he's still very charm. And I and I I met him. I we spoke through Skype the time. And when I'm looking for an actor in trying to decide I I try to watch a lot of stuff, not just necessarily the work. But also, you know, interviews or whatever I can find on the air. So I can see how they are. I mean, it's not like it's how they are. Yeah. I was real people even in interviews. But you get a different sense from when someone's acting. Yeah. So yeah, I just thought I had an excellent sense of humor. And you know, there there's there's all these qualities about him that I just felt where right? Yeah. And I think that movie also in terms of like. Maintaining my argument of accessibility. Is that, you know, through whatever surreal or or or seemingly absurd interactions almost all throughout that movie. They do speak to relationship. Yeah. I think I think one of the things is that that were relationships are very big part of our life. Yeah. And that's maybe speaks more people than something. Why do people belong together? Yeah. Yeah. Why are we with each other? And you know, it's about love and all these kind of things that are really a concern as one of the and animals too. I was always nice out in the woods where he just see Allama or something walked by. There was a couple of exotic animals camel camel. But now I'm just starting to realize that like the rabbits that he was killing for her to eat. They were once people probably maybe. Doing rose or do Ravitz get a pass. There's a lot of rabbits in the new movie to thought of that. You didn't know I noticed that when I was watching the lobster again. I watched it a second time, and I was like got something for rabbits. She was would did you add the rabbits to the the favorite? Yeah. I mean, we yeah. We were like looking for something to represent, you know, the children that children, but we wasn't grim and like, you know, lavish always seventeen little graves. Yeah. Rabbits are always good for. Oh, very cute. No one's ever gonna say. Fuck that rat. Yeah. Except for Emma stone's character. But all right. So then we go the killing the sacred deer which I watched the first time week or so ago, that's another movie where I noticed. That's when I noticed that that the thing that you do that supports what you're saying about tone is that you're very meticulous that you the the the amount of that movie that was shot in a hospital. And then in a town that didn't have a lot of activity. You know, we're clear choices that that really kind of made the tone even more impactful like you're you're kind of tight with that. Right. You you you you you were you're like this hospital has got to look. Yeah. Well, I wanted one of the main things about the hospital was that I wanted to feel that it was a hospital where they knew what they were doing. Okay. Because there's that that. Part of the plot. Were you know, they can't figure out what's wrong with the kids? Yeah. Why? Right. So you need to get they had to be the high level. If it was like a know she the hospital that you could very easily dismiss the whole thing. Like, they they don't know what they're doing. Why doesn't he go to proper or something and give some plausibility to him as a character? And he's successful. And all that. So he'd had to look certainly had to be kind of state of the art hospital. And that story is another almost genre film in that. It's like, you know, one of those weird mystical kind of fantasy there. I don't know what you would call it. But you know, this sort of like the weird kid with the secret power move. Yeah. Or like or that's right. Okay. I feel that that movie even more so than the lobster had more of a narrative through and I'm not, and I don't want you to take that as an insult. I think it's okay. It's okay. To have more. Okay. And have a story. Yeah. I'm fine with it too. That's where we're trying to do all we know all of our rooms have a story. But that one was like, you know, once like like, the the thing that I think a lot of your movies do is that because your brain is working for reason or logic or explanation that, you know, you make assumptions, and I think that, you know, throughout all of your movies like you realize that the assumptions don't matter as much as, you know, something that you're not quite conscious of happening to you. You know, what I mean, you're sort of like who is fucking kid. What's what the watch? Why is he at the hospital is just some weird pedophilia relationship. What is happening? And you don't even let us know what the kid is until like half an hour in. And then you like this just took a turn for the fucking weird. And then it becomes, you know, about you know, choices and decisions and mistakes that we make an and and you know, what what what is the price of that. Right. Yeah. It's allegories. Say you don't understand many things about my films? But you you really explain them. So well, and even better than I could well, I'm gonna go with you on the tour. We great I'll quite Markle tasteless question. He's put a lot into it. I have not I have not. I just spit them out there. And then Mark and talk to you. Well, you know, I I try I try I feel better now about about my experience because like, you know, there was because I think that's the right way to be. And I don't think you're doing it on purpose. I think you're being honest about it. But the fact that you know, you are making the thing, and you know, you just follow through on these ideas. And I'm going to have my own experience. If I was sitting here telling you my experience, and you're like, oh, boy you missed. Yeah. I would be that would be bad for me. So killing the sacred. Dear you happy with Allen. I see. Haven't seen it before one finished it. I guess, you know, we achieved certain things we failed in others. Yeah. You know? It's not for me to say. I'm very, okay. I can you know, I do understand the not watching what you do. Yeah. Yeah. Because you know, and I like I have these conversations. I don't listen to them again. Yeah. My producer. He remembers everything 'cause he spends another hour two with these three hours. Yeah. I know he does like he's got this amazing memory like he pulled up that Dino, quote, I wouldn't I? You know, I I have the conversation. I'm engaged in it. And then when I walk away from it all remember some things, but after time it's like done many of those as well. Yeah. So the new movie which people like the favorite is like this is the first time you directed. Someone else's film. Yeah. But in the end, it wasn't very different. Because I spend like eight years developing this chrome my God who wrote who wrote the original. There was an original script by Deborah Davis. Yeah. I and then. I worked on on a little bit with her and restructured this story. But then I felt the need to bring on someone different to bring in a different tone, your guy and approach Tony, Mike Nomar. It was the first time that I worked with him. He's an Australian writer playwright and screenwriter. So what why that decision like what what what was the was the original script more of a historical piece? Yeah. It was a more straightforward historical p piece about our story Queen Anne is that Rena. Yeah. What period is that? What year it was early seventeen hundred zero eight centuries. So is it was originally historical drama that was telling the story. Yeah. Yeah. But I I had a very different idea about, you know. What I wanted this to be in the tone spark that idea like what was it? What what when you worked at the original script. What were you like I want this to be this? Again, it was not imminent that. It's it's more about I interested in the story. This is interesting about the women. You know, there's these three women. It was interesting that the actually existed and at some point in time, you know, these women that had such power that affect the lives of so many other people and also, you know, personally her story and stories, you know, quite sad who went through a law. And so it was an it was an interesting story in the fact that you know, these people and their lives, you know, affected, so many other people it just felt like a rich thing to explore, but I didn't wanna make you know, another historical drama. Yeah. I I was trying to figure out you know, what would be the tone that would make it something different. That would make it feel more relevant to us more contemporary. So. So I yeah, I started thinking that first of all it should be funny and. Be because it is dark anyways, quite a dark. Hurts. It's a very tragic figure. She lost. Seventeen children and she ill with. Yeah. Throughout her whole life, almost I mean, she was very young. And she was put in a position that she couldn't really cope with and handle. And and he's a very responsible position have. Yeah. So, you know. But I wanted to bring in the comedy in very specific Tonelli and also visually in statically to make it feel more contemporary. So I started making all these decisions along the line. It wasn't like one moment. We're we're like figure out this is going to write. But starting from the screenplay. I was you know, I read like hundreds of riders to find when I had in my mind, and I came across Tony's stuff, and I was I felt very confident, and then we started working together and was very easy because we had you know, we were thinking of about the film in the same way. And he had the voice that I was looking for it wasn't like you're trying to make someone right in a certain way the and much like how I found if they Minson we you know, we matched and we winning each other. And right. So he he was able to honor some of your ideas for what you wanted to do through the language. The language being that you you. You took some liberties in in terms of more contemporary idioms, right? And but I it's weird. It it seemed to fit pretty well. 'cause I've seen that done in other movies where it's sort of you know, to up front. Yeah. But you know, there are some moments with the dancing, and then some of the things they say where you're what. Yeah. But I mean, it must have been quite. A labor to to really get that period because you really shoot the hell out of it. I mean, you know, you really kind of bathe in it. You know, in the must used a why I think I read somewhere that you use a lot of point of references in terms of like what you were watching to to get the the long shots that you wanted. And how you you shoot that era and in that way, and you looked at some other movies, right? Yeah. More like a known period films just to again to get our minds excited. And by you know, incredible people that have done amazing things. So we're washing Zulawski films and Amadeus. I read you Dallas. Yeah. That's true. But because that because of the tone was a, you know, it was funny film. I really liked that film. Great and. All About Eve, obviously, you know, is quite a reference for for the film. More the servant. Juliette Low's is the servant hot too rough movie. Yeah. Just was I don't hear that word that name being kicked around a lot. But that was some employees British filmmaker. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Peter Greenaway's the Draughtsman's contract or England bourbon, Bergman's cries and whispers, you know, with the three women in a house, and yeah, we watched more more nimbly films. I mean, feel merely speaking because you wanted to you you your vision was. Had something to do with the the type of shots. He wanted. Yes. Just the general field. Yeah. To get that weird, grit and all that cost for me. It was the architecture was important. Yeah. Like, these huge spaces that were inhabited by so few people, right? Yes. Mall figure within the huge space. You do when you visit those places like this was just one guy's room. Exactly. So there was this bad in the corner of this huge room and huge bed. But it looked very small. Yeah. Within that, huge room and. So that was quite important for me. And so in trying to find a way to film this and we ended up using quite extreme wide angle lenses to enhance that kind of feel like the loneliness of a person within such a room. But also, you know, in the end, I realized that it is also very relevant to the theme of the film like, you know, these few people affecting much bigger world. Yeah. Much bigger picture. And it also makes it feel quite claustrophobic in a way because you know, you see the end of things you see the wall surrounding right, in fact that she was so Thebault from disease, and and in lack of confidence that day it was isolating. She she felt very isolated in that, you know, the difference between what was going on the interior of the castle. And even when anybody would just get on a horse and go anywhere. He'd be like, oh my God. They got out for a minute. Yeah. But but but that amazing British actress what's her name the lead is Coleman. She was in also in the lobster. Yeah. Yeah. But she just is amazing is I mean, I mean, what was your experience directing her? How did you push her out there? Well, I didn't have to do much. She's is just grow again. I just making the right choice, and especially with the Livia one of the reasons that it took so long to make this film as a had to wait, you know, for the right moment that the whole cost. Kind of fell together at the same time. And I waited for live because I couldn't think of anyone else could play this character. Yeah. I, you know, I just think he's unique an amazing. And you again, you just have to give them the space. Just navigate them. And, you know, get various options of things in order to be able to refine later on in the added, you know, the peons and where the story is going. And when you discover what the film is an MS. Don was great sees. Yes. He's great to. Yeah. Did you know she was going to be so great? I knew it. Yeah. I have to say. I knew I was very confident about our NC's. See also really wanted to do. This MC really loved the script and was very excited and is eager to do differences eager to different things. And you know, the only thing my only thing was about the accent? So we we did before making the final decision her and me that we're going to make this together. She she had some. Voy a voice dialect poed. Yet incident some sessions with her, and then we did some rehearsals, and she was brilliant. And so we made sure that you know, we wouldn't have that problem. And we'll be able to do whatever we wanted. Yeah. No, CC's amazing NC's. She's going to do great things. I think there's a lot in her since I haven't yet. I liked her when she debility and king. She was great. Yeah. And she's yeah. And Rachel Weiss again. Great. You like working with her? Yeah. She can do anything to she. Yeah. She's she's quite some. I mean, all three of them. I was very like I mean, it was like a dream. You know, it's interesting. I I guess one of the reasons it's resonating so deeply as it is a movie about women and about the power struggle between these women and how women treat each other in a certain way in the seventeen hundreds in castle. So some of that was historically accurate, but not all the the basic stories. Yeah. Quite accurate was the the sexual dynamics accurate. Well, we don't have proof of anything. But there's a there's a lot of letters between them. It's it seals that. There was that there was that kind of and how how did the original screenwriter feel about the final project? Well, I mean, she's she loves it. He says. Yeah. Because I think a lot of it is true to the core of it. Yeah. And it says, you know, the the approach and the tone that is quite different and brings brings that whole story into now and makes it relevant in a certain way. And I think you know, she appreciates that and understand that and great. Yeah. And have you watched that one again? No. I last time was in Venice when we premiered in. How'd you feel about it? Oh, I was nauseous. No, you can you can't see a film probably within those conditions. You're sweating and you're off people left out didn't win the price. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, there's doesn't make. While you're watching it, especially so what so what now you're going to run around and promote this movie, and maybe one a statue or two, and but you're already working on the next one. I've I've started working on you know, a few films, but it's hard to concentrate right now with the promotional this going on that's going on into the new things. But I'm looking forward to you know, focus on the creative stuff again. But yeah, I have like three or four screen plays that I've started and they kind of piled up because I made the killing of a secret deer in the favorite kind of back to back. Yeah. So I didn't have much time to focus on the development. Well, you'll have time you're young, man. And and what anymore now still pretty young? But I I forgot to ask you about this because everyone seems to be talking about the lack of lighting they use of natural light, the berry Linden ING the of. Movie and that was mostly true. Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean, it's true for all of my films. I don't particularly like artificial lighting, and I also like their resolve. But also the way of working without a lot of equipment and just have a camera craze, natural light and just have the actors and be able to and free to just change things around with the unions hate, you know, in the lights are out there. We're just. Best union job in the world is one of your movies. Yeah. Exactly. You guys just sit down take it easy. Yeah. So but he with the equipment. That's available today. Must be a little less challenging than what Kubrick was dealing with. I mean he had to use the math Lange's lenses. I mean, we have faster not faster than those actually put fast lenses, and you can push film quite a bit. So it's not as easing, but those big spaces. Sometimes it was like trying to light those huge spaces just with candles. Yeah. I needed a lot of can't. And did. Yeah. That's what we did. And there's there's only a couple of scenes where we had to supplement the light because of the height of the ceilings or outside where there was nothing. Yeah. It was night with nothing, and we had to light a light. But it was only a couple of times as great talking to you. Do you think we covered it? I mean some. Yeah. What are you hiding? You know, you seem to know everything beforehand. What do you mean? I don't I didn't know anything. I just watched the movie Janu went like, I don't understand anything, and then you analyzed everything perfectly and the great. You it wasn't. But you would have said that if no matter what I said. No, it's not true. Okay. Oh, yeah. That it was my experience was because there's no wrong or right, right? But that's that's a pretty good place to live, you you described the films in detail. I which is hard to spoil which isn't benefited of the way you work. I'm not I'm not giving anything away with any of them. Except for like, you could though you could you could with sacred. Dear I guess you could with a lot of them actually been not the first to like, there's no way you can like, you know, I could talk about dog tooth or Alps. And people would be like, no you fuck that movie. Con watching now. Yeah. No. I think you did a great. No good. Well, good luck at the Globes things if that's important to you either way. I mean, it's important for the film, and and your next film. All right. Great talking to you, man. Thank you. All right. There you go the favourite, obviously, go see it. If you haven't to great film, watch all of them watchdog tooth. 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