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IFW 11.8.18: The Greatest Foreign Films of All Time & How Much You Should Be Asking for Upfront?
"Woke him to indie film weekly. A no film school podcast. I'm John few SCO and Liz Nord. I'm Charles Haine. I'm Eric lures. It's November eighth two thousand eighteen and on this week's show, the one hundred greatest foreign language films of all time how much money you should be asking for up front and as always news you can use about new gear upcoming deadlines. Indie film releases and ask film school. Hello, everyone again. Welcome back to Brooklyn. Kind of home film school in this podcast booth. It's all that remains for now, the BNB of our film school. Yes, Eric how how did you sleep in here last night? Okay. Actually, I heard you wake up a few times though. I didn't wanna say anything. I think we're all restless about last night's big event. And I'm talking about of course, the voice the giants poaching. The dodgers general manager. I think we're all pretty big baseball fans here. We know the biggest news yesterday was Amazon announcing HQ two. Washington DC DC Long Island city, Long Island city. Very crazy. I I remember I was talking to my brother who's in China about it. And yeah, we were both kinda shocked at that was the choice. I mean it like we were all hoping for the bold Saint Louis or Detroit move where they were like we're gonna come in reshape city. And they were like, hey, let's go to where renter already pretty high and transit pretty full. And let's let's bring twenty thousand people there did anything else happen. No, no. I took a bath. Oh cause for celebration handles. Podcast. Podcasts anyways. So I guess we should move on quickly into headlines and this week no stranger to lists. The BBC has dropped another comprehensively awesome guide to the cinema with their new on the one hundred greatest Ford language films. Just in time for you, not to be to be not to be able to watch them on film struck. That's very true. But hey criterion. Physical media. We've been talking about it might as well do it. If you remember three years ago, BBC culture ran its first major critics poll to find d one hundred greatest American films. And if I remember correctly, we actually didn't episode reporting on the results of that one. Did we my remembering right? Great number one was of course, citizen Kane, which I've never seen what? I feel like it is like a stalwart films swatch can't escape, but also a fun movie like a great movie. I've watched citizen like twice a year for like ever. Wow. Fundy, but it's not a common. It's not fun like Adam sandlers fun. But it certainly case study in filmmaking. Yeah, this is about what ninety five minutes one hundred minutes. Oh, really? I thought it was like extra always assumed it was like four hour. No black and white doesn't mean it's longer. Also, you can watch it with the Roger Ebert commentary, which is like one of the best. Yeah. It's. Well, we're not talking about American movies today. We're talking about the world movies and this year, the BBC quote felt it was time to direct the spotlight away from Hollywood. And celebrate the best cinema from around the world. They asked critics to vote for their favorite movies made primarily in a language other than English the two hundred nine critics who took part are from forty three different countries. And speak a total of forty one languages. It's pretty cool. The results one hundred films from sixty seven different directors from twenty four countries and in nineteen languages who. Do you guys think? I mean, you're gonna read off the paper, but the French. Yeah, I was guessing Mel Gibson was going to be the big winner. Now speaking in Aramaic air may yes. The French can claim to be the international language of claimed cinema. Twenty seven of the highest rated films were in French followed by twelve and Mandarin and eleven each Italian and Japanese at the other end of the scale several languages were represented by just one film such as Bella Rusian. Come and see which I haven't seen. It's amazing. Everybody should go. Haven't seen it either. So create Romanian four months three weeks and two days. Anyone known? Yeah. Abortion about the woman these abortion, and it's pretty good with them Jenny slate. No. Everyone's favorite Romanian Jenny slate land ignorance, we pretend to be audience. I just have to make that. Disclaimer. This is great because I'm definitely gonna actively seek these movies out. Unfortunately, Liz, I know we're always talking we like to have the female statistics on here. And only four of these films are directed by women even though forty five percent of the critics chosen to participate where women so at least they tried to make it equal there. I wrote down the top twenty. But I will only say the top ten because the places go people to see here they are. But I do wanna make special mention I'll do the top eleven. How about that? Perfect. Does that good? Okay. Number sixteen was metropolis, which I haven't seen either number thirty eleven. All right. Well, God sneak in there's one double winners. There's a there's a few in here that I just feel like should be said, you know, what I mean? Number twenty. The mirror Andrei Tarkovsky number nineteen the battle of Algiers GIO Pontecorvo a city of sadness by how this is going to be a difficult one for me to get all the way through. But I'm gonna go for it seventeen is Aguirre the wrath of God by Verner her SOG who is a friend of Mike van Hove's now. No film school contributor, Mike van Hove. Did you hear about this? No. They've been like hanging. Yeah. They've been hanging. He's been in Berlin with Verner Herzog for the past few weeks because they went down to the jungle together. He leaves tired of that lake fellowship with Werner Herzog the filmmaking class in whereas the jungles of Peru his film like, and then they all make films and Mike made one and his was like the chosen from the peers who did it as the number one film. It's kind of amusing pretty awesome way to go. Mike. Let's continue down this list. Metropolis Fritz Lang at number sixteen. Fifteen Potter punch Ali by such Jeet rare. I, you know, what have you if you can you say if you've watched one of these movies as we can you guys say, just go, just go. I. Okay. John demon Twenty-three, commerce, clay, ten eighty Brussels Szanto aquaman. You're gonna I know. M by Fritz Lang, I farewell my concubine. Number twelve number eleven breathless by Gianluca, Dr I o list. I can't believe it. Either. Excruciating ten is Ladele Ceva. I drink Leany nine is in the mood for love by one car. What I sell good number eight is the four hundred blows by Francois Truffaut. High also had the poster in my college dorm room. Do you get extra points for that? Because I gotta go back through the lake. Number seven is eight and a half by Rodrico Fellini. I number six is persona by Ingmar. Bergman. I five is the rules of the game by John Renoir. Number four is Russia Mon by Akira Kurosawa? Number three is Tokyo story by ozo-. I haven't watched it. How we've talked about those cool things they do at New York Film festival where like a modern day luminary filmmaker comes and talks about films that influence them. Jim Jarmusch at the one. I went to listed this film as one of his still on my list. But now, we're like shamed. We all have to watch Tokyo story by like next week. I'm generally shaving by this entire brasses. Number two is bicycle thieves. Number one is seven samurai. I. I don't think I've seen it. Now that's a four hour in a lot of. But there's so much samurai action. Yeah. It's so good. I know seen the magnificent seven the remake not there. Yeah. Denzel Washington won in the one from the sixties which any sleep. So what are you guys favorite just around this out? What are you guys favorite for films? Actually breathless is not my favorite good Dr weekend, two or three things I know about her in praise of love breathless is the canonical title. So I could see why it would be there. But I wouldn't have selected that from him. For instance. I think pure food my favorite. Yeah. That's good as well. From that time period, there were sixty seven filmmakers on the list. So there must be multiple titles from almost half of them. So I bet there's more than there. You know? Like, if we went further up on the list, you get to like, your mother Toro, and like pants labyrinth is on there. So like a lot of them are more contemporary. It's just like the classics are, of course in the top twenty. So. Yeah. We have more Bergman on Bergman, persona persona. Not seven seal. I'm surprised. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Love these films are really classic to Johnny. We're seeing those more contemporary ones higher up on the list. I I would say generally that like the cinema scene from Israel in the last twenty years has totally lead only say blown up. It's a bad bed words for Israel. But it has been burgeoning a lot of the shows we like here in the US come from Israeli show is so I would definitely recommend people. Check out some Isreaeli cinema. Any anyone film in particular or nothing coming directly to mind, but I would say generally, I haven't seen like a bad movie out of Israel in the last decade, and there's been a lot. But I think super Indy wise to mama tambien is probably my favorite. I was gonna say I'm shocked by the lack of like Mexican and Latin American presence in the surprising. But yeah, it's done said, I guess like higher like in higher numbers there are, but that's spent one of the top languages. Yeah. This is a massive undertaking. You know, like sorting out the one hundred greatest films of like. Regardless of the fact that their foreign or not it's just like this is the entire world. We're talking about it's not just America. It's and every decade like they didn't even narrow it down. Surprising. How much of the like dominant mid-century thing is still part of the top of illest. That's all it's just interesting that like a whole lot of the ones that were used to seeing there are still up there. Well, I guess that's what makes them classics. Yeah. And then I'm also conduct not see the conformist. Although I wonder what Berta Lucci made it. I'm sure there's a Berta Lucci somewhere in there. But it was kind of surprised not to see that one. I think probably right up the whole list. And while we might not have it by the time this podcast is released. It'll probably go out on Friday. So stay tuned in to that cool and speaking of voting for things you all know by now that we had election day in America this week. There were lots of races all over the country, and there's one I can pretty much guarantee. You heard nothing about, but it's actually relevant. Indie filmmakers, I'm talking about the fight over the congressional seat in west Virginia's third district a rural. Coal mining area where Donald Trump won two years ago by a whopping forty nine percentage points. Now what stands out about the congressional race from this week is that a democratic candidate Richard O'Hare was highly competitive in the race. And what stands out, particularly for us is how that very unlikely scenario came to be a wonderful piece on topic dot com by filmmaker Davy Rothbart gives the details of this behind the scenes story, but I will share the cliff notes now. So it starts with the local coal miner by the name of JD Belcher, but of an unfortunate name, but interesting story, Bob Belcher. Oh, he's he's like related to the bumps berkers, folks. I think oh, I have no idea. But he's I'm not sure because he's West Virginia, coal miner. So it seems slightly unlikely never heard. So we all heard about this. Anyway, this guy dropped out of college at nineteen. He started working the mines and then after many years of hard labor, he was feeling discouraged and dissatisfied. So he bought a video camera. He wrote a script for zombie movie, and he began to learn to shoot from YouTube videos. The story goes that he built a three piece DIY light kit out of old dish, pans and fashioned in eight foot camera crane by touching wooden Dowell to Elise Susan which sounds like an article that v Rene wrote on no film school dot com. Eventually he got a job as an house videography and editor at a local car dealership. He started doing wedding videos, and then last year he was tapped to make bio video of candidate Richardo 'hada. So when he showed up all himself with one small camera bag Ohio was skeptical. But to fast forward a bit Belcher pulled together, a really compelling film. So compelling, in fact, that his unknown candidate from tiny district gained national exposure with a hundred thousand video views and appearances on national news and the polls began to shift in his favor and significant money started to come into his. Campaign now ultimately omega didn't win on Tuesday night. But remember that Donald Trump won this district by a landslide? So the fact that a hate it ended up with over forty percent of the vote was truly remarkable. And historic isn't the only one like this one of the most talked about candidates? This year has been Alexandria, Akasa Cortez, a Latina democratic socialist who unseated a longtime democratic stalwart in her Bronx district in the primaries and went on to win a congressional seat on Tuesday night as one of the youngest women ever at age twenty nine her breakthrough campaign video was made for under ten grand by Detroit based filmmakers, Nikkei's Naomi. Burton who are both in their twenties. Now under ten grand may seem like a lot. But people pay consultancy candidates pay consultancy firms hundreds of thousands of dollars to make these videos, and I just personally find these stories to be a great reminder of the power, we have as visual storytellers, if you feel frustrated about the politics or situation in your area make short about it or a thirty second spot. You never know whether this could be the next game changing viral video before I start this. One. I just wanna say there is a spoiler has anyone seen a star is born. And if if you haven't are you okay with me, I have not seen it. But you can ruin the ending for me. I haven't seen it you can ruin the ending for me. But if you don't want the ending Rune for you listeners, go ahead and his fifteen seconds skip like eight times, let me guess she's born she is born in the beginning. Okay. So now that it has been out for several weeks specifics of the film's plot have been well documented are being discussed rather in depth. However, some countries are taking necessary precautions with who gets to experience the film, and I'm on the fence as to whether or not this is a good thing. And I understand whether doing it. But if I'm Bradley Cooper, the director and star I might have something to say about it. The character commit suicide. The end of the film. It's very sad. Very tragic. The Cooper scared. Bradley cooper. Yeah. As India reports, David shanks, the head of New Zealand film, classification board has demanded the one brothers film include a suicide warning note before the movie begins. According to the guardian the country's mental health foundation reported similar complaints about the film suicide to the New Zealand film board. The movie was originally rated m which means unrestricted suitable for sixteen years and over for sex scenes offensive language and drug use. But now suicide has been added to the official question. Occasion. Quote, many people. New Zealand have been impacted by suicides shank said for those who have lost someone close to them. A warning gives them a chance to make an informed choice about watching. Now. Of course, suicide is no laughing matter. And in fact, it's handled extremely painfully in the finished film. But I'm not sure if spoiling the movie outright, doesn't you know by helping those extremely sensitive to the subject deter those from seeing the movie as much as much as it lessens the film's final impact. So I was kind of wondering, of course, it is. I understand the severity of the situation, and you don't want people to become overly affected, but by taking such a risk in spoiling. The end of the film does that lessen its impact and could that kind of set forth other moments like that, you know, like if you are sensitive to murder or things of that nature. It seems like I've heard this topic happened before I just don't depend. I don't think of surprise as being the most important element for me and enjoying aired. If like, I've re watched some of my favorite movies ten times. And I enjoy them more in different ways and surprise is gone at that point. I think like asking shovel on to include like ghosts spoiler warning for people who are afraid of ghosts will ruin an ending, and he's movies depend upon that element of surprise. But for a sort of mainstream. I don't know what John it's like a weaker. Drama. That's weeper. I think it's a weepy. And I don't think that those depend upon surprise necessarily some I don't need to have the most emotional impact. But I think also really depends on how it's worded like if it says Bradley Cooper's going over there. Yeah. But if it says like this movie contained suicide could be any character supporting characters could totally. Yeah. It doesn't indicate specifically who. Yeah, you're right about how they indicate ratings like their sexual content. I'm like, okay. That means there's someone's going to have sex in this movie. And they're there you just got a drug use someone's going to be taking drugs. So you kind of put all of it together in your mind. And you're right. It doesn't spoil it in that sense. It just felt like this being an important point. I'm like, yeah. Airing it, right? How's it areas? There's just a message right before the movie starts like the scene just into. This is the film include a suicide warning note before the movie begins. So I guess you've already bought your ticket, and you're sitting there and you're seeing that comes up beforehand. So I guess we're not just like put it on. You know, how we have rated. Are you talking about it? And then underneath the R rating. There's like for sexual content nudity. Drug use kids swearing. I mean, we've added smoking though. So maybe could be further inclusion sincere movement. Just I was wondering if I'm filmmaker if that would be something I'm on like the complete opposites. I I don't know. I feel like if people are like going to movies too like experience like to have an emotional experience in some way, like or if it's the filmmakers job to elicit like emotion from his audience, like isn't that kind of the point of going to a movie like wire, why do you need a trigger warning at the beginning of movie like you should be like going in sort of with an open mind. That's I mean, that's how I feel about shit. So yeah. But the best way I heard it 'cause I used to have that same reaction to trigger warnings. And I used to be like, but then someone put it to me that like when you're taking your friends when you're deciding on movies with your friend. You would considerately be like, oh, do you wanna see this tarintino movie super bloody like it's more about just giving people some context of information? And I think if we put it. On those little ratings covered. Like, I never read those like, I just go see stuff, but people who are aware that they are sensitive to stuff look at this point. Yeah. Better than putting it in the middle or the the beginning of the movie, or you know, right before the suicide suicide happens now and then. This concludes it for fifteen seconds. I just have to tell this anecdote, it's not directly relevant, but it's so good when I spoiler warning gone girl. There is a scene in which one character slits the other characters throat after which immediately person stood up doctor in the house and the lights came on and someone had a heart attack watching that scene like doctor come and then we were all sitting there. And like, it's a very intensive if you haven't seen gun girl, it's a pretty great one. And then they restarted at five minutes earlier. So we all watched the like throat-slitting a second time in the throat slit was from DUI Hauser who was a famous doctor. Yes, as we all know. So doctor was in the house on the screen got. I never thought about that part of the anecdote. We'll story, bro. Do you have any more stories for us like the Tekken giver, let's pivot to actually the thing. I'm here to talk about. Hey, everybody tech news. So our first story this week is that deity which is like they're an independent startup, but they are under the aperture umbrella. They are not aperture making microphones, they're their own company. But they're like affiliated with that pitcher. They've started shipping their d three and t three pro on camera. Mike's which we've I saw in person Becca NBN April. Mike shouldn't be thing. We all knowledge that I think even DAT would aknowledge that like you want it boom mic closely actor or a second pistol level ear, but unfortunately, there's times where that just doesn't play. Sometimes you're out there doing a running gun documentary thing where you're getting interviews with people really fast on the street, sometimes your view, logging, and you're shooting yourself in those scenarios the choices between us a little Mike that's built into the camera or rig up a better external mic, a better. External make is a step above the internal making camera because every single internal camera mic. It's garbage because that's not really their point. Their point is like for voice, memos and stuff where you whispered a camera. You're like this take great or whatever they're not forgetting, really good audio. So d- of come up with to the three and the d three pro that both aluminum they both have the standard twenty to twenty K hurts response. They both. This is cool have a little microchip. And a smart Connector's you plug it into your camera or your phone, and it can tell what camera phone you put it into like set itself. Correctly, put it in your phone or your diesel Aren. It'll know what it's connecting to which is pretty cool, but the key feature. The pro version has a physical gain knob built into it. So if you've ever been like you're out there shooting DSL are merely job. And all the sudden, you're subject search peaking really loudly. Sorry, John you're going to fix it in post, and you like you're going through the menus in the mirror. This camera. Trying to turn your gain down this these ical gain knob built in which is actually really nice because obviously the biggest frustration. We all have with the Murless as the audio component. That is the hard part about shooting with those. And this little feature is something honestly all the little extra on camera. Mike's should have it, and it's really cool of deity to roll it out physical gain. Knob is a cool been name. Yes. Although there's like an implication in the I know all about the implication. Physical game nob-. Sick next up. There's a brand new black magic Puckett cinema cage from till two cages are cool. It's like an aluminum cage with all sorts of mounting points. Screw knobs and stuff like that that you wrap around your camera because the other frustration. We have those little Murless DSL. Ours is nowhere to mount like accessory, lights and microphones and stuff. Like that. Cages, don't really usually make it to our weekly gear news roundup up because you know, we sort of know what they are what they do. They're kind of cool. But this one's kinda fascinating. Because tilted like went crazy. So till to have like battery Sary's for their cage, they have a full of focus the cage. So like the handle as a little focus knob on it. And you it up to the tilt thing. And you're like pulling focus from the same place. You hold the camera for the black. Magic pocket it. They went super above and beyond the black. Magic pocket where we're going to review right now. It'll be up soon. He's a fascinating little thing because it's a twelve hundred dollar four k rock Imra. So it's like very interesting for that. And there's actually really robust. Actors until two Israeli taking advantage of that. And giving the ability to hook up like way more powerful batteries in an SSD mount and all this other stuff. So we think that is worth a look less young. Whoa. Has announced an as yet unnamed they're going to let the internet name it merely camera built around Android. So there's not a lot of details out yet. Most frustratingly they've been announced the lens mount, which is like the thing we really want to know. But the reason why I wanted to cover is because I'm really excited to see more cameras that run Android between this and the red hydrogen were now seeing multiple camera makers, the they might not always be the best at user interface. Like, I'm not gonna name names. But there are some camera makers have like terrible, you're and it's very hard to do stuff on the camera in the menus and like Android, pretty good. And it's such screen, and there should be more touchscreen cameras where you can install an Instagram app and immediately post to Instagram from the camera or whatever video version or you can do. Instagram live from your camera directly. And because it's going to be interchangeable ends is. And you're going to have much bigger sensor. You're going to be able to get much cooler footage for things like Instagram live and Facebook live than you would get out of your phone, especially in low light. So we are very excited about that. We hope they announced the ASEP and since the internet is naming it. We are going to vote for camera. Mc camera face. Is young. Like do. We know anything. Lenses. So I don't know that they've really made cameras before. And I'm gonna guess that the sensor is made by someone else. I mean, if they're like everyone else's Inter's made by Sony Sony, mix everyone censor, although they might have another sensor like they're a few other people who make sensors, but they mostly I know them from lenses and they're not like a powerhouse lenses, but they have lenses. So it'll be interesting to see all right up next ask no film school nNcholas Alexander, directing his first major documentary project had a ton of questions. We usually don't do multiple questions no foam school, but we're going to answer a couple of Nicklaus questions because it's really important and he's about to travel internationally, but in the future one question at a time folks question number one how much should I ask to be paid up front? Fifty percent up front in the remaining at project completion this really coming question from students all the time. Here's my advice on a short job fifty percent up front and fifty percent delivery. That's fine. Totally fine. If you can get them to seventy five percent up front and thirty percent of delivery or twenty five percent deliver. You totally should because in reality. We all know when you're running the production that fifty percent ends up almost all being eaten by the actual production any profit, which is the stuff that you're gonna pay your rent on tends to come in the second half. And it can be really frustrating wait on that. So little jobs if you can get seventy five percent up our commend it. You might not be able to get that on this job. But this seems like a longer job where you're going to L Salvador for a while. And it might take a while. I would really recommend a fifty percent deposit. Twenty five percent shoot rap and twenty five percent on delivery. Because once you've got the shooting, the can once they feel like they have a substantial thing, they should be able to give you another sort of waterfall payment. And we really think that that would be very helpful. So that you can eat through the post production process and not be like living on credit cards, which we've heard some people do. So we that is our condition. Anything else you ask that I should include in the contract, and we got to say this. You're going out of the country talk to a lawyer about your contract out of the country jobs are so tricky, and this is one case where we cannot stress enough that having a lawyer who has dealt with this before an entertainment lawyer going through the contract is so worth it. Right. Are generally advice is don't let legal fees eat up more than ten percent of a project, ideally, legal fees or two to five percent. You're doing a hundred thousand dollar job two thousand dollars for lawyers. Not that big a deal a ten thousand dollar job. You're never gonna get a lawyer for two hundred bucks. So you let it get a little higher, but international get a lawyer. I know so many people who've like been on a job internationally that went sideways, and then they were stuck there for two weeks because the company wouldn't change their flight early. I know so many people that like the shoe had to run extra the company didn't want to like move flights back, and they were like, well, it's your fault. When extra you should pay the flight, change and stuff you want to get all of that worked out and an experience, entertainment lawyer will know all of those things, and we'll put all of that structure in place for you. If you are going. Abroad. Absolutely wanna lawyer to look at this contract quickly on something to that. Don't always think about is that if you're shooting abroad, make sure also that your your insurance for your gear and for your health covers you abroad because that's not necessarily a given. And in fact, check out the State Department list. We are actually I've a friend who's trying to a production and Salvador right now, and I think they're level four which means that a lot of like even insurance that might cover you and other areas won't cover you because of where you are on the State Department list. So you need to talk to your health insurance and your production insurance to make sure you're covered, and if there's extra fees it should be on the company, and then you ended with like a really nice nerd question. Which is any specific external hard drive backups. You suggest and I was like Yay. Nerd questions. So I in the states, the general advices, two copies of all of your media. But anytime I go abroad, I make sure I'm getting three copies of all my media just abroad. There's way more chances from getting lost. Damaged shipping. And usually I try not to fly back with them. All in one thing. Like, I'll box up my media and ship it back. So it's on a different flight than my flight. Just so it's like if my bag got lost or if the plane went down the media survived on the other things. So if you can split it up, you can and honestly on international jobs it gets expensive. But I started recommending SD's because there's so much faster. And like, you know, sometimes it takes time to three copies and Samsung p five drives have gotten so cheap. I want terabytes like two hundred fifty bucks so for seven hundred and fifty bucks, you get three of them. That'll give you triplicate backup for every terabyte of media you need to save and their way faster to download to. They're really small. They're bus powered I think you're going to be happier. If you can find the money for us de good luck. It sounds like a lot of fun. It sounds like a project you're really excited about and anything else. I missed goes. We do have a podcast about shooting internationally that I will link to in the post company. This podcast. It was from a couple years ago. It was like shooting guerilla internationally. So that could be of some benefit to you as well. And now, let's move onto movie openings on November twelfth on Netflix. You can watch green room. We talked to director Jeremy Saulnier a few months ago following the release of his latest hold the dark on Netflix. And now the third entry in his stellar author films is hitting streaming services. Green room is about a punk band gets caught up in a skinhead struggled after a concert. It was a famously controversial film here at no film school when we saw it at Sundance nearly an entire three years ago. Which is crazy. I really liked it. A few of our other staff members who will go nameless. Mike van Hoven Ryan coup because they are wrong weren't so impressed. We also have coverage of a panel. That's only did at the Lower East Side festival where he talked about some of the finer points of his craft. I really liked what he had to say about story screenwriting for thrillers. Quote. I try to. Deviate from standard structure green room was an exercise intention building. I try not to meet expectations or check the boxes off of what happens in each act, but were very violently away. From what you think would happen dig into that and write myself into corners, the challenge isn't the overall. How should I make this intense structure? It's how do I keep going with this? And when I find myself without a solution just sit there and invest in it, that's when people die in green room because I couldn't think of a way out you can listen to both the podcast interview that I did with him last month and read our coverage of the panel on the site. And now coming out in theaters on ninth is a film called Peterloo. This is another film that I saw at tiff in September. And it's from the legendary British director Mike Leigh the historical epic which is a semi fictional recounting of the eighteen nineteen Peterloo massacre. Anyone the million with that historical event? I know I thought this was an episode of family guy where Peter like lost in Polian or he goes to the Lou, you know, well. Well, it's it's neither of those things. It's a massacre from eighteen nineteen which took place in Britain when British forces attacked, a peaceful pro-democracy rally in Manchester, and this film was also nominated for the Golden Lion at the venison national film festival earlier this year Rory nearly two cast which was nominated for several British independent film awards. And I got a chance to sit down with the seventy five year old, Mike Lee. And when I was in Toronto, and he passed down some incredible wisdom, especially about working with actors and his own unique casting process all be released on Monday. Stay tuned. It was probably one of my favorite conversations that I had when I was in Toronto. So it's a even if you don't see an obscene Peterloo, you should definitely check out this podcast because this guy is a legend. So. That's so cool that you spoke with Mike Lee. Can we hear it also opening on November ninth is the long dumb road, which I caught a head of the twenty eighteen Sundance film festival where it premiered. It's a new feature by director Hannah Fidel and this road trip movie stars Tony revelry and Jason men's Lucas, two gentlemen, strangers United under unusual circumstances. It's a road trip movie. It's just made it sound darker that it is what's gentlemen, strange gentleman. They're they're not call men. It was going to say as needed to strip. And makes you hire company location. You're right. It may maybe that's in the movie, I'm not gonna tell you gentlemen, stranger later tonight. Moving onto headline cutting through explications and expanding on the comedic virtue of the masculinity. That's determined to prove itself. It's less film about an emerging friendship than it is about a personal individual growth. And it keeps it refreshingly simple and by films end, the two men do not like, you know, arrive at a stunning introspection or become best buddies. They simply get to where they're trying to go moves pretty light on his feet. And if you enjoy the two main actors this much to enjoy here shot in twenty two days on Alexa, with Panavision, and I'm Morphing lenses Seville with one eye on its characters and the other on geography, I spoke with Fidel revelry and Matt soukous at Sundance, and we discussed filming and performing titan vitamins like the car and tight conditions as in a quick schedule in a post, titled hitting the long dumb road with Hannah fidelity cements Antonio Laurie which we will show on the site. That's tight I love Jason. He was he was sick very sickly ill. When I is man everyone sick. It's like I wanted to shake his hand. I can't. I'm like, okay. I'm just very very sick rate home. Oh, yeah. Would have been awesome to get him on the podcast because he is quite the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a funny. And finally this week you can check out the new romantic on November ninth as well. This is one that came out south by southwest earlier this year that I really wanted to check out, but I never got a chance to it's a first time director Carly stone and she was nominated for the game changer award. And the grand jury prize for best narrative feature at the south by southwest festival. But she ended up actually winning the special jury award for best first narrative feature in the film, frustrated with the lack of chivalrous guys for age a college senior gives up dating for love to date an older man in exchange for gifts. Instead sounds like gentleman straight exactly gentleness stranger. That's gentleman stranger right, right? Sorry. I'm so I'm so confused about what? Wrote about just watch it. You'll see. Anyways, the film stars Sarah Barton who is a young actress, you may remember from the lobster or the end of the fucking world shut to the end of the fucking world. It is amazing. Good. Good. Good. Okay. Now, we've got some upcoming deadlines for you. I up on November thirteenth is the Euro-duck twenty nineteen deadline. If you're looking to pitch your documentary to Europe's leading commissioning editors, and you've got the budget for the precipitation be this networking workshop could be for you. Some participants attending the workshops will come from the documentary departments of the broadcasters or from institutions defending promoting and funding. Duck productions this aims to fulfill a long lasting objective that that of the decompartmentalization of relations between producers broadcasters and funding partners. These participants greatly contributed the work of the group being in contact with their future partners understand their points of view and constraints can be very enlightening to the producers the costs for European participants is twenty eight hundred euros and for non-european. Participants is fourteen hundred euros not including accommodations and travel costs, but they do offer some scholarships. So it's worth checking out now for some festival deadlines with deadline of November twelfth is the Omaha film festival. This is the late deadline festival. Takes place. In Omaha Nebraska from March fifth through the tenth two thousand nineteen last year over thirty two thousand dollars in prizes were given to winning filmmakers. In addition to that, there's a screenplay competition components of the festival, and it's been rated as one of the top one hundred best reviewed film festivals on film freeway. I officially switched to film freeway last night. Oh, thank you. It's from way better from without a box. It's just the design of it is so much nicer, and you actually get like more chances to include like promo stuff from your film. So like if you have a trailer production stills, or like, a website, it's all on a profile that's easily way more easily accessible to like festival programmers. And I wish that I'd done it from the very beginning. Because I have eighteen submissions on without a box now and film freeway will be what I use for the rest of this period, you found that all of the festivals. We want to apply to accept both except. For. I mean, they they will know that without a box is extinct. Yeah. For context, which did a piece on the show like two or three weeks ago that without a bucks is closing. So John was forced feeling. But yes, so they'll be more like Sundance was without a boxes official partner. So like Sundance you couldn't submit to on film freeway yet. But now film freeways announcing partnerships with more and more festivals. They have this really create future now called gold where they actually like if you sign up for like eleven bucks a month. You get pretty big discounts to a lot of festivals. Like, for example. I was submitting to one last night, and it was eighty dollars because it was the late deadline without this sort of gold subscription. But with the gold subscription, which is only eleven bucks a month. It was only sixty dollars. So if I just spent the ten extra dollars on the gold subscription, I would still be saving ten dollars on the actual fee for submitting to the festival in with deadline on November tenth the garden. State film festival has their late deadline. This takes place in Asbury Park, New jersey from March twenty eighth to the thirty first. Two thousand nineteen it's got all the bills and whistles and opening ceremony and reception ending with Gallo, or it's dinner where the best in various categories of films and celebrity honorees are recognized. In addition to the screenings professional panel discussions will be headed by industry professionals. So to the only screen Zach Braff movie Garden State, or can you just make your own? I'm pretty sure it's just like Bruce Springsteen doing the opening ceremonies and Ryan they just play Garden State a bunch of times and the word the best screening of gardens yet. That sounds like a good place jersey shore marathon in their episode and the final film festival deadline. We have this week is the Atlanta film festival, which is the extended deadline. It's a last chance to submit and that's November fourteenth the festival takes place. April fourth to the fourteenth two thousand nineteen in Atlanta, Georgia it will be it's forty third year and is the southeast preeminent celebration of cinema and the flagship production of the Atlanta film society. It's an Academy Award call. Festival. It's been named to mommy's list and mummies other lists of the twenty five coolest film festivals in the world. It presents local and international work selected from over six thousand submissions representing forty plus countries, and there's cash prizes ranging from five hundred to one thousand dollars. All right. Liz time it is. It's time to BUSTER rhyme. Oh, it's time for weekly words of wisdom. I should think about you can rhyme the word wisdom anyway, if you can tweet us his thumb that's cheating, but good try less week. I chatted with first time feature. Filmmaker Schivonne Mizrahi about her debut documentary distant constellation the documentary sets up shop in Turkish retirement home coming across several colorful characters who are less props than actual characters with Watson desires, some wish for romance some for a friendship and others. Have their stories told before going off into the distance anonymously? I'm I'm talking about death. I asked you made this feature her first about being pretty much a one woman. In crew, she shot, it she directed it edited it, and she says that there's a lot of great films out this year that were made with small crews were just one person. I know working alone is something I was always expected to do for work and often operating three cameras at once plus sound I was used to that. And could almost do it in my sleep. Of course, you wanna budget, and you want to involve more people and have the sound to be as good as possible. But I'm not sure given the intimacy and comfort and ease and warmth of this project that would have been possible with more people there. In addition to myself, I think every process offers a lot of advantages and disadvantages and not having funding means you don't need to get permission to do anything. You can do it exactly as you want. You can work within your own time line. You don't have to report to anyone the also get to learn new skills in here. I learned how to color film. I had never call her to film before other filmmakers, sometimes now asked me to come work as a colorist, which is not my training just felt a little bit inspiring that, you know, working alone can be extremely difficult, but you are picking up traits along the way that you may not have had experienced doing in the past. And now she's actually getting hired by friends to do some of those tasks that she wouldn't have thought she'd be possible of doing before embarking on this feature. Eric what happens to you? When you get a little bit inspired when I get a little bit inspired. What do I normally do? I call. Mommy. List serve out her list. And then she tells me the top one hundred and I feel pretty good then feel even more inspired xactly. Call one of your gentlemen, calling my judgment callers without my Peterloo. We go. I take a bath. With liz. We hear wondering line was it was. Record. We do not together. But you know, if you want me to raise money to apply to euro duck police this tweet at. How much how much is the going rate for a bath about five bucks? Take you a lot of baths to get those twenty eight hundred years. Hey, I've opened. Bad job. Well, people have you had to do like one hundred baths, you're going to get really wrinkly. Space it out. Yeah. Got pace yourself. Okay. So those words of wisdom. That's sure to real back from there. Although I keep thinking about this woman operating three cameras at once. That's really impressive. How does that even work? Do you go into it? And article. We don't do a little bit more about the actual shooting process was one of them are robot. No, that's thing. That's the thing. A lot in dot Chris. You're like I'm hand holding one. And then there's like one on a robot slider over there that's going back and forth and doing like this like repeat pan loop. I'm starting to see a lot of that kind of stuff show up. Interesting. I feel like if that happens that should be in there as a qualifier that one of your cameramen, and there's a robot. Yeah. I mean camera by robot camera team. Exactly, exactly. Well, now that we're back on the topic of documentaries. I will move into shoutouts and give a big shout out to duck NYC opening. Its ninth addition here in New York tonight and running through November fifteenth. This is truly becoming the top documentary festival in the states kind of like New York Film festival. It's later in the year. So it gets to pick up the best of the films from all the festivals in the previous year. In fact, it's our director. Tom powers also programs the docks at tiff so this year there are three hundred films and events overall. And it doesn't crude forty two world premieres. I'm working on interview podcasts for couple of them. One with two time Academy Award winner by Koppel. And one with first time filmmaker illicit Klein in her DP whose film tells the story of how she found an old Bullock's in her attic and discovered that her great grandfather, invented the iconic camera. I'm going to a bunch of the film. So if you're going to be around Duncan y c find me and say hi, are you going to be wearing like a special hat or something? So people can find you don't you? The one that says I've my Zeiss has. You know and pink hat aware hat. I have red hair. I'll be the one redhead head at the festival. Okay. Next week's podcast talked about it earlier on the show. It's me and Mike Lee last night. When I was reading information about Mike, I came across the fact that we were both born on the same day. Not like, you know, how the same year the same year, but we're we share birthday. And I think we also share a lot of common philosophies about how you should treat your actors, especially in the casting process. His casting sounds like a dream come true for actress. And it's something that all directors should definitely take to heart. Maybe a adapt some of his tactics and you'll be as good as the legendary director himself. So stay tuned for that next week. Of course. Subscribe and rate the film school podcast on itunes, or whatever podcast platform you use. You can read about most of the stuff that we talked about online at Nova school dot com. Also, check out the podcast post that accompanies this podcast for direct links. I'm John few. So you can follow me on Twitter at Jim underscored John underscore, Jim. Oh my God. What's your Twitter handle pain on the Twitter's? And the Instagram's I met Eric lures as always you're not going to tweet at me. But I'm still there and I'm not leaving. Well, now they've made this bath offer tweeting that by reading not too often. Now, that's I'm not controversial enough. I guess I get lots of tweets them coming at Liz film. We're all at no film school. And we will see you next week.
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You enjoy not just watching movie aachen about a and hearing about them from friends and reading about that and that involves reading books. I know this may be an antiquated pursuit. But i still pursue. It is a. It's not going to that too. Deep but on the surface of a book is something you take off of a shelf. Let's show from which then returned to the shelf when and if it's a really good in be taken off the shelf more than once you you'll be even consulted mir up lou when you try to look something up anyway. This is a long winded way of introducing our guest today old friends scott island who has written a what a number of wonderful books. I don't use that term in advisedly. He writes great books and his latest. It's call cary. Grant's a perfect and it is a biography of cary grant surprise surprise. Scott welcome thanks. Lot of good to see it. Bill aim here. We are talking to you from your home in palm beach. Florida westbound voyage palm beach. We don't live with the swells. We live with the common people. I kept the common touch. It's the least i can do. This is the latest in a fairly long line of biographies. You've written. And i wanna talk not just about the new one grant which is getting a lot of great press and deservedly so but about the the art and craft of writing a biography in general and Is there generalizations to be made very apparatus events about robot by writing a. I've never done that. I've written a number of books. But never you have. And i've never tackled a solo biography focusing on one person birth-to-grave. They'll you collect them. Many many many. I could tell you that it's gotten a little harder than it was thirty years ago when i started doing it and i've gotten a little softer now. The head what. I started out writing books There were still people above ground. Opt about period. I wanted to write about the twenties thirties forties fifties Most of them now are below ground to be on so it's become less a matter of figuring out how to get in touch with the person that you wanna talk to than it is a figure it's more of a library issue. An oral history issue a A primary research tools. letters Things like that then. It was thirty years ago. And that's that's there's an upside to that and there's a downside to that i mean. People are still writing books. About abraham lincoln. He's been dead for quite some time and they come up with different angles and different ways to sift sift the material and occasionally there's actually a new approach or some new documents that show so soul myself With the idea that. I it may come down to the point in a few years where i feel like i'm ready folks about abraham lincoln. It's strictly the document rather than the people but In my experience the best part of it was the people the best part of it was generally not stars on an equivalent level or or directors. I was writing about the best stuff would come from cameron Or or people or people whose egos were not invested necessarily in in their daily experience. If you know what i mean. They saw things with more clarity than than actors usually do not to slam actors. But not i'm speaking about And those are the people that i always found the most valuable. So in terms of cary grant the stuff that really prove most valuable Were some letters from people. Like betsy. Drake that i founded other collections who actors. Who was at one time. Marriage is third wife is third wife and and A surprisingly enough some actual life people especially a waldo debts the son of clifford debts. Who knew a grand as an adolescent young man And became a psychologist in in later life so he was able to look at grant from two perspectives. That of a kid whose father was close friends with gary ran and that of a professional looking back on on an interesting psychological case. Well let let's talk just a little about psychology carey grant you chose. I think particularly intriguing and act a title for this book. Cary grant a perfect disguise early. Explain the scots even better than perfect. Brilliant well because In the era in which he became a star and continue to start him the the the construction of persona was essentially crucial for us maintaining a starring career Clark gable essentially played the same part for thirty years katcher. Women wanted to be with him. Men wanted to be like him and that there weren't a lot of variations within he stayed within a certain framework That was the norm Grant did something of the same but he had a wider skill set and would occasionally display it. You know there was more there and he was never he was never just one thing as an actor. You can see instant darkness in comet when he was playing comedy and you could see often instant humor when he was playing drama so he was able to incorporate different colors in zoo performances in a way that made him stand out from the run of the mill leading man of the period at the same time Carey grant was performance. Cary grant was not who was one on one one to what There were certain characteristics but it was more of a performance. For instance that i think clark gable screen persona was formed i think that was more than a projection of who was But granted the navigate the difference between considerable it grew closer over time but there was still a gap because people always expected to see cary grant flip it on and off. It will But there was a constant struggle because he realized that people expected cary grant. They didn't want to see archie leach in a couple of times in his course of his career. He basically gave them archie leach and a couple times. Nobody was particularly interested also so he understood the expectations of the public's expectations were one thing and he needed the public. Because success was very important in terms of escaping from from childhood fairly german miserable so there was a intrinsic tension between the internal cary grant and the external carry the internal cary grant wanted things that the external carey grant already had including the approval of his mother. Exactly the ex-military grandpa audience knew it. The the creature in the movies a didn't seem to have any problems with women whatsoever. Mother's wives girlfriends. That really doesn't come into the real. Cary grant offscreen had terrible problems with with with his mother and his watch. Most of i. I do love just a little bit. That kari grant is all of us and could never make his mother happy. There is something very human in that knowing that we are universally the same. But i think he would rate it a lot of success for the ability to make a real human contact with his father. Sure so i mean star search is like rush the the word disguise. It's it's so real and obviously if you're somebody who if you're somebody like me where you've grown up watching him because your parents all of their friends love him. They're they're almost not human. Who is cary grant. He's beautiful graceful man who appears onscreen and he's funny. He's charismatic. he's everything you know if you ask if you ask them to describe orbs the perfect it's like there is in know he's everything you want there. But he's a person and that is what makes these biographies so vital because it brings the rest of them to life but it's also just asking to learn a thing of the burden Urban of being someone on a cary grant. Of course they expect you to be outfitted like year into catch the issue to behave like you're north by northwest where he never breaks a sweat on the point at which a crop dusting blend comes down to ask. Job gains the coda But think of having to to play that part twenty four hours a day to an audience that expected you to play that part twenty five hundred in a way that a modern audience don't think does though they'll even now i mean that's the reality is even now. There are certain people that we feel are perfect and And i i will say the only good thing social media and internet general are you know they have their good points in there terrible points but i think it does help people to see someone without makeup to see someone in pajamas to see someone doing something very normal Just because it reminds you that that that they don't look like they do on a red carpet twenty four now. What i want to know scott us how you got into doing all this carey grant or the whole thing the whole thing. How did you start writing. Well started writing in junior high school. But i mean i. i was a journalist mutt. I realized at a certain point. I was in my twenty s at this late late twenties at this point that if i didn't raise the bar for myself and make more demands on myself and get the level of my game. I was going to be an alcoholic and for five years because i was bored basing lease. So what's what's the next step up. Well okay books the next step up. That's that's logical. And i was a movie that was crazy about movies. Okay so i decided. I wanted to write a book about silent films some so i made a shortlist of six or seven names in the list of silent movie. People that i thought Needed a book that nobody had written and Let's see there was william art. There was john renoir. There was mary pickford. There were a few other names. You know thomas inside was on the list. And i went with pickford because The films were more accessible than you could go to the library of congress and see an awful lot of stuff. the The in stuff was harder to find. Renoir you'd have to go to the of course period we're talking about you had to travel. Yes you have to go. You got to go to the library of congress exam washington. Dc made the trip. When i wrote my book lubitsch ernst lubitsch. I spent two weeks in Munich watching luby's german films today. If i wanted to write the exact same book i don't have to leave my house readily single film. I went to germany to see is available on disc or streaming or one avenue another each and every one now best eight. That's in twani twenty odd years. That changes occurred. So it's easier now on one zero one sense to do research But the flipside of course is that. There's nobody to talk to her grief. You people talking. So i i did a proposal for bickford I had an agent She couldn't sell the book. A six months went by nine months went by. She couldn't every publisher in terms of now. So i'm still board and still restless. Why decide to go ahead and write the book anyway and just finance it myself so i did it. I took a week and i went to l. a. I took another week with the library of congress and watch movies And i was halfway through the book writing the book when she sold the book to a character named donald. I find who was famous in the publishing world for two things For being credited temperamental in sheep and for discovering elmore leonard and. He told me. I went to new york to talk to him and he was. I went in his office and he was screaming at the top of his lungs to somebody in the telephone using a dialogue. that would only be. I repeated in a full metal jacket and it was. It was quite impressive from a verbal point of view. I mean he read in repeat himself once and he was going on or not And finally the phone slams down and secretary leans over distance. You'll see you now. And so i win and he proceeded me the only reason he bought. The book was because the first movie ever saw was spero's with mary. Pickford as mother take and okay. So i finished the book. He published it. It earned out in about two months because he only pay me. I d amount of money but it got a great review people magazine and that's all it took off and running so that's basically The the cliff's notes version but it was out of a shortage ambition and desire to to stretch my downs for hours ago. And before you know it. I act out a niche for myself. That's how old were you when you publish your book Thirty two one thirty two. And when did you guys need eighteen yet in our team at the same age. We're the same age. He was with two men. I admired herb graph and albert. I believe it was rochester. Was the rochester sinica. Well then you might have been syracuse or one of And i had already read of a film fan monthly and i to me he was. I felt like i was a kid looking lou garrick. You know 'cause he was publishing and he was hanging out with adults and he's wing. He was interviewing movie stars. And we're the same age. And i still have mental and and he was already wandered ball because he's never changed. That's the funny thing. He's precisely the same guy now but he was fifty years ago. Nobody believes that but he's the same guy is head never got any bigger in never got any smaller. He's leonard is that. I love that about why we keep him around. Do keep a gap keep morale. Now have you just mentioned her graph and we do have to buffer a moment. Yup thank him because without him. I would not exist really. Oh he was. He was introduced my parents. So herb is the reason. That i'm a person and i'm very grateful to him for that as you should be as and it was off very very funny he. There's a handful of names that when they come up. I always feel like we need to pay just a bit of a mosh to them and and herb is one of them. Herb was such an incredibly special man and he He gathered up the sinophile who otherwise would probably have been alone in their basements and put them together in a pretty officer so the to make friends. You're right but the thing. I admired about your dad and leonard. I mean your dad and al and herbs and that's that group is all men in full they handle it even at that early stage of my life. I knew i didn't want to spend my life in dark room. And and know who was the stunt man on a richard talents serial from nineteen thirty one. Why but not have but not have any relationships that went deeper that you know i wanted. I wanted to ask the whole thing and and like herb did like al did like your dad does. And that's that was always a goal of always will you you like have been happily married for a long long time for her forever at thirty four long art years. How did you lend me. Where do we meet We met at a newspaper. We met at the fort lauderdale sun-sentinel news sun-sentinel in nineteen eighty three. When i moved down there to take a job. Because i needed gig and my book my first book was either just about i was just about to get out and I just stopped saw her walking across the city. That is the cutest thing. I've seen a year so i asked her out and she said no and i said okay well. Let's fine So i started writing stories and she started sending me compliments about the stories. I was writing. And i ignore them because i asked her out. And she said no You know. I'm i can take no for an answer. So she continued sending me a accomplishments and stopping by and saying hi. And i knew i add her. But you know. I was gonna little humiliation ever heard anybody so i you know finally She she agreed to. She said she have lunch with me. And i said i don't do watch. I was going to go out to dinner with you. Know so finally she. She actually. What i said was if i promise not to leave. Any bruises or visible indentations. Would you go out with mates and for some reason. She seems startled alarm by that Eventually she'll go out with me. And i closed the deal shortly thereafter the wrists and they say and so then you continue to work side by side as fellow and i i. I just kept writing books on the side as i told people. A journalism was my wife and mistress and sometimes in all honesty. I put a little bit more emphasis on the mistress apart that i did underway but not when it came to win right right right right yes dear yes dear see you know people who know us will say everybody needs an alice like you have a lynn. Everybody needs an exactly what you're saying because it gives you that full life and as at lovely it is. We were talking about for exert recording. your mentioned in parade magazine. This book is mentioned there. And that's lovely but if you don't have someone special to celebrate these things with you know it's it's tough that's the joy of it is getting to go to someone. My dad always says Perch and watch movies with mom. I think it's a lie but it's nice that he says it and You know at the time. He says he's very sincere. Beat owen deed envy and most importantly. I'm sure or something that you know. It's it's not just my that is wrong but it backwards now. It's not just you are wrong. It's that my mother is right. Exactly what it is but your mother be right. She has to be extremely right accurate. So you've met my mother. Utah feuds is. i'm writing. I'd i'd write about our caller my most unforgettable character but i think it's been done and alice mom. She is a tiny tiny ball of fury and magic so i love her so scott. I heard years and years ago. That i won't use names here to protect guilty About an a very well-known writer on some subjects who decided to do major of a very important figure from from old hollywood and And he did and by the time. He completed researching writing the book. He absolutely hated the man and regretted that he devoted so many years. So this pursue. He was glad he completed but But it gave him no pleasure and that goes along with that old saying no massacre blues foul right And i have you found yourself in that situation. Ever not really. The closest i ever got was spending six years with john ford to write the book six years because to me he he was the is was the white whale of america moby. Dick of american movies. And i fancied myself is Without the harp them And i told my wife said spending six years with ford is being like being locked in a in a phone booth with the worst irish drunk. You can imagine That said when it got to claustrophobic in that phone booth. I watched the movies now or a gap or it is one of those artists. Who's the who put his best life into his work and there wasn't much left over for wives and children in france. You know it all went into his work all all the compassion and the the affection in the love kind of went into his work. And i would when got when it got to claustrophobic. I would watch ford movies. That got me back on tracks. Because that was i had to had include both sides of the thing but what kept me going was the beauty of the art. And but i'm not one of those people that would right to spend fifteen years running two volumes about joseph girls. I just wouldn't do it. There are people to do that. I'm glad for them. I i don't wanna do it. And i don't particularly want to read that book either But i tend to circle someone a little while and do some preliminary research before it commits doing a book. Because especially now when it's a different transaction because i'm older now and i don me more books have got in me because things can go south so I always ask myself. Is this worth three or four years of my fast. Ebbing life to spend three or four of those years doing this book And sometimes the answer's yes. There have been a couple times. When i thought that really not really i don't i didn't feel it wasn't feeling leering. Wise you move on to something else or you wait a couple months for some to suggest something that you haven't actually thought. Ns happen to. And that's not the. I've had people say why not do that and two weeks later. I'm i'm working on an outline of so i take my ideas in at work could get basically and yet you tackled forward. I thought very fairly and very thoroughly he. It must have been tough. It must make us who to to deal with that because he was so ridiculously. Contrary he was a contrarian you if nothing else a great artist but the dirty as contrary into perversity sexually but but like a logically. And i never dealt with anybody like that before real or since or since most most of the people have written about at great clarity of character like lubich or john wayne. Namik relieve him. He was consistent specs throughout his life and he didn't really alter that much or success. Didn't alter You couldn't say about and grant grant had his own issues you know. Because the the the grant that people saw on strain was not the grant that the crew saw when they were making a movie the grand cru saw was nervous and anxious and something of pain. actual you know Worried about the sound worried about the lights. Worried about the script especially the script every time he signed to do on that every time but a lot of the sued signed into a movie and immediately read signing them for the movie and want to get out of it because whatever seen in the script of the first or second time he read advantage after he signed the contract. You know and you said all these doubts he was full of doubts. In doubts tended to rule this initial suzy azam for project. The projects all during north by northwest. He was complaining that there was nothing there to script the there was no there there in the script and a stroke on the age. I can see why north by northwest wouldn't look like much you know on the other hand hitchcock standing there directing a picture. You've got to be an end. They'd worked together before and he'd seen the ishak could spend a gold from straw really But he's still would have is franson. Cary grant victory would states. David niven picture. Which is kind of interesting backhanded back. Handed way i get it. I get it meaning. I get meaning. It's not true David niven got never got lucky enough to work for You know but he had his doubts he could be And demanding and On one day and then he'd be perfectly fine and you know almost apologetic and then the next day he'd be demanding and fetish again. Just the way was not what. I wonder again. I have experienced this when if ever do you feel in the process doing research and writing. When do you feel okay. i've got it. I figured this person out. I've got it. I just read again. No names i just read a. Why would call a workmanlike biography of a fairly well known actor and A lot Day which is significant. Say and this author did a who. I'm familiar with a workmanlike. Yup got all the fact was able to talk to some close relatives And some colleagues know largely research research job done from things in libraries. You know but but he did the best. He could And i never felt that. I got to know the god. I never got that feeling. Which is what you want from a good biography right which you do provide your books. When is there a turning point. Is there a is it predictable. The turning point will occur. I know it when i get it. Lie goal my goal. The thing in the back of my head that i try to do with all of my books is to make the dead lover walk again. Goal is if you read one of my biographies or one of my books and that person rose from forest lawn and came to your house and sat down with your room. You could have a conversation with them because you know what they aid. What kind of aftershave. They used what they thought of their second wife and possibly third wife how they voted liberal democrat conservative. Whatever all these incremental qualities to go into personality and that you would understand that person. Etta working now is enough to have a conversation with if they walked into your room. That's the image. I have in my edit. What i'm trying to accomplish and they're usually a point when i feel. Sometimes it's just something somebody tells me like talking to wallow debts about grant And when i looked at the transcript i got. That's the heart of the ban. That's that's him. That's the guy that's the guy the could flip the switch and become carey grant will but had terrible insecurities when he stopped living the switch and he was just sitting in the room law. That's the guy other times incremental and it's it comes out of a like a biographies a movie in a sense that it's the mosaic. You got all can composed of hundreds of shots there. Are spliced together. And you add music than you. Add postproduction and hopefully blends together into one into one overriding image picture emotion. Books like that. Except it's more obviously a montage collage of hundreds hundreds fragments of factories of newspaper. Clippings interview transcripts watching movies of going over financial records contracts all these things but the have to be blended together in a narrative and i pride myself press foolishly on my ability to great narrative that were pages turn themselves and you're not necessarily conscious of the effort that's being expended on my guard or the effort that's being spent on the reader's part that if there's a flow it flows so i think of it in the same way that i think of a a director making it successful movie. You're not conscious of the minutes. Flooding buys you're watching a good movie. You just conscious the story. And that's what i try to but to answer the question. Yeah generally speaking i. I'm conscious of when i get that picture in my own mind and i'm also conscious for instance. It came to the point where it hit a rough draft of the grant book. And i didn't think i add them in. The book is the debt point. Was like four hundred sixty pages long for eighty. Maybe i just. I wasn't happy with. I just didn't have it. I knew i didn't have it. And i didn't know what to do so i started making phone calls. I started making phone calls. And i got a couple of interviews of from people that i did know rely and that gave me a sense of feeling of security that i had that i have because there was more density there. There was more. There was more a depth of field if you will or definitely and that and maybe maybe. I talked myself in neurotic. State of doubt but Those couple of extra interviews. I did very close to to Finishing the book gave me more see feeling the securities that i had before interesting one of the things i admire about your john wayne john wayne the life and legend a is that you are very fair minded like i said that more in dealing with them. He's come up in the news recently because people have yet again happens periodically every every five. He have discovered and And blammed about this interview playboy. Yeah some decades ago where he seems Really put it. Mildly unenlightened yet. Yeah about whistle. Skin color is not the same is how and But that wasn't him what it's not that he didn't say that and he said no question said no. The he was one of those people. I grew up with people like him. I grew up with people who were born in. Nineteen hundred nineteen zero three. My grandfather was born at around the same time journalists and he was. He was not much like john wayne accepted. Certain aspects but wayne would talk about people in generalities in anytime you talk about a races and religions in generalities you could hear ice cracking under your the thing of it was. He didn't treat individuals like that he was. He was bloviating about blacks and indians. And as if he'd never actually met any in the his theoretical Theater through the lens of theoretical conservatism. On the ground working as an actor in the business for almost fifty years. He didn't treat people like that he didn't he wouldn't have thought of treating people like that Because he met people as individuals. And you have to make that clear that there's a different twin. What people do talk in theory and how they actually act on the ground in action It was the same with people he met or encountered or even worked with didn't share his political out absolute. He took each one on. Its own terms. Well for take me for example i i spent ninety minutes with a middle room alone and i was twenty one years old and i had zero credentials. I had nothing to my name. I was just a kid who wanted to be a writer about the movies and as far as he was concerned i could have been with each good and treated me any better with the new york. Times is their manufacturing. Friday treated better than the new york times But he was he was. It was absolutely great Considered my questions cirque. I asked a couple of questions couple dumb questions but he took me seriously. He took the question seriously. He took his answer seriously. Now classes how you treat people when no one's looking you know and no looking. When he was in the room with me he could have blown me off or angry and throwing me out of the rumor but no we had. We actually had a conversation. We had a conversation about the movies on now. I was asked. I wasn't asking him about about the cancer. I wasn't asking him racial politics. I wasn't asking about those things that i was. I didn't i didn't bring up liberal politics. I didn't i never touched any of his lights We were talking about john. Ford ransack we were talking about entry. Answer way we were talking about bill wellman. We were talking about all these people that mentored and we talked about net levin. I'm sure nobody asked about net levin in thirty years the founder of mascot pinchot pitchers where he started out doing serials for seven hundred fifty dollars. Not seven hundred fifty dollars a week. Seven hundred fifty ir moving And and you know so. In a sense i was on safe ground but i didn't know i was unsafe brent. I was just curious to hear about these things shining. So he opened himself up completely and very specifically and very intelligently and he thought about his answers and he brought about the questions that we had an actual conversation. John wayne and a twenty one year old kid from ohio no credentials so got some points. And he gets the points. In retrospect to for that so i think there are too many modern stars or stars of any generation who would be that open to that level of detail. Exchange with a writer didn't mean a thing to them or to the mall yourself to give yourself some credit there and you knew the right questions to ask. Okay i'll do it for you. Thank you okay now. As in most. In most instances when you start on a subject The person you're going to devote to writing about You're looking for research. You're looking for a background information. You're looking for details all sorts when you took on sessile beat the mill for your book on him you had the opted situation you had a an archive was deposited at brigham young university Which took up an entire building where there was an avalanche. Soon novelty. Facts and details. How did you deal with that. How did you know through all well. I've been thinking about the mill for Ever since i was a kid. I saw the ten commandments. And i think he i always thought i mean he's completely out of style and will is. I don't think that's going to change. Because his best work was done the silent here and not enough people. See the silence the meal but i always thought he was a hugely talented Director in his early days. And i have great affection for one of the later stuff as well but i also thought he was a primary figure in the formation of the american movie industry. So demille being mill. He kept every piece of abor he ever scribbled out you can phone numbers get doodles every and all there is errands. Love letters. are there so go. She was very easy book to write for me. Because i've been thinking about it for decades. And i had a profusion of material and i thought you know this is due to buy a book here. I really good and i could have. But i couldn't have sold a two volume book. And i as obviously ask myself. Does the world want to williams and cecil. B demille dow even. I don't wanna read to violence. So i kept it to one volume. That book was fairly easy to end in all honesty because the thing about writing books. These kinds of books is that you often make sense of disappointment because the book in your ed never quite matches up with the book that you end up with for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes material sometimes She discovered things. You didn't know you were going to discover Usually but the demille book the what the book. I wanted to write matched up very nicely with the book that i actually wrote so i had a sense of kind of completion about that book that i don't often have but what i have to keep reminding myself. Is that whether it's a book or a movie or biography or a painting the price in the process. The work changes by doing that thing. The work takes on a life of its own a match ration- process of its own. So you often end up at different destination than you thought you would have to be able to roll with that except that you know but i a figure that out in the doing of it in into in writing fifteen books you come to that realization but the book is is a book that i actually ended up pretty much wanted and told well at the tel the book. I was waiting for for years. Because i have had a lifelong fascination with With djamil and other people did write books about him and they were never arab neighborhood and they all fell short of my expectations. My demands and And now i'm tempted. Though i'm compulsive i been tempted to take all those other books and just discard the your book. Does the job so thoroughly affects. That's nice to know as an entertainer really to because he was he was an editor man. Oh god never had a dull moment in his life. I don't think he was the straw that stirred the drink is fascinating guy. I'm starting never get a chance to meet him. to admit will that's the people always below ask him now is say you know who who have loved to have medicine. And there's obvious at walt disney. There's people that are obvious in that but it really mean the the thing the magic of a book is exactly what you're talking about and it's making someone three dimensional again and you know in in that you can't you need to tell both sides you can't make them perfect Because that is isn't real at the same time. I do think it's really important and someone like you cares about this You know you want to you. Don't want to take away from achievements. Well no i mean. I remember when i was writing the wayne book. I came in entity playboy interview. It's what we're return. And i said well. How do i handle this. What do i do with this. You know i can't avoid it. I shouldn't avoid it but it took me a while to figure out how to deal with it. They dealt with it basically by excerpt ding the more outrageous parts of the interview and in pointing out. What is going to out to you. Guys 'love' aiding as if he's talking to a group of boys around the fireplace cigars and brandy you know. And they're going. Yeah you're right duke. Absolutely right duke. But he didn't treat like that he didn't treat. Woody strode that way or any other blacks or gays or indians that he worked with the treated them very well because he knew the individuals responded to them as individual. Anything person human. You're able to you know you don't want to pretend like certain things didn't happen so you can. You can also look at it in a human way and say all right. Here's what this was. But let's look at the reality of the situation which are feeling protective about. Of course you know. And i thought i had to pull back from that Not so much with the way but that has come up a couple where choirs douglas guy. I was gonna run him some slack. No because what wayne would have said is. Put it in what it would. That gesture imploded. Because he wasn't a chain of anything ever did or set while he was into some things he did. That's not true. But i don't think he ever ashamed of any any of his political or social He was ashamed of certain things he did. But but that wasn't republican such but but again it's human it you know it would be. It would be strange if you wrote a book about somebody and left out everything. Every time needed something for any number of things that it can even be the people who everyone loves. There's always gonna be a moment and if you don't include that then you're not really telling their story. Yeah but the problem is in in in modern culture. We often judge people by their worst moment. I know you know Some some stupid referenced on facebook or some sliding email or whatever but just any public slip and you get nailed to the cross so you often find yourself reading things two and three times for he could send probably not the worst idea in the world. Anyway ed's debts. That's strictly a product of digital culture. And the kind of reflexive censorious nece where everybody feels. They're on sort of a jury duty to declare other people guilty as charged. Well you've had experienced. A few people have had a few people that i know have had. Which is you also worked with a movie star. Robert wagner in writing three separate books which carry your joint byline. How did that come about off. Luke luke There was a guy. I knew it all basting ted. Bill ryder arrowed novels. And he's no longer beach but he's he's in california and He would spend time in aspen with his wife where they met. Rj jill you'll say john white and He was at a party With rj and Somehow another palm beach came up in. Rj mentioned my name. And ted did know him from reading a book of his About louis b. mayer. He said i knew mayors daughters. I knew easy. And i knew irene and usually he said ted when you read a book about people you know you don't recognize. He said he gets everybody right. The the people he's writes about are the same people i knew. And that's remarkable. And if i was going to get somebody to write a book with it would be because rj reads a lot. And so ted came back to palm beach and called me and he said. Would you integrate your doctor. Robert wagner about doing a book. And i never thought about doing a told to collaboration before. Because i'd i'd right i'd but that's unwritten seven or eight books. Maybe nine of my own at just never occurred to myself. Of course you know epi too so we talked on the phone and he came to palm beach and we went to lunch at charlie's crab now closed and the first thing he did was bought a picture of his german shepherd named larry. After and then i responded by bullying a picture of my german shepherd named cooper after gary cooper out of my wallet we we traded stories about our german shepherds and we knew we were going to work together very well after that. Because we're both passionate about dogs and animals and our wives and we we set to work on. The first book is memoir and It's very comfortable from the beginning. And i told him up front. I'd say in. How am i going to do this. And i thought about a lot about my told him. I said look. This is your book. I'm going to tell your story the way you want it. I will only argue with you if i think you are. Earning your book If i think you're hurting your book i will go to the mat to talk you out of it okay. You got to remember that. If i start throwing up flares. I'm not doing it out of my ego doing it because it's going to make the book worse and he said okay. I'll remember that and we never really had an argument over over a a nine or ten years of working together at Three books never. And i only really had to throw flares once or twice it was very it was very Very smooth process and we stay close. We ought to visit them at aspen. You know we were going to go this summer. But co had gotten away and we're still. We're still very close. We're still doing close. He's dear manages turned ninety earlier this year. Now that does not compute. What believe me if you spend time with him. We got him out to lone pine A year before was it. Nineteen nineteen fall nineteen and in october and he talked about a broken land and we showed true story jesse james western and and man when when the light system is on you know and you don't have to take you don't have to make allowances for his age He's in great. Shape are still working. Still he was supposed to do an ncis episode in the summer and then cova got really ugly and they shut down production so he's rarities. Ways is waiting for the callback. Now that they're shooting he's recurring character on that hasn't yeah absolutely absolutely And he was playing the father of michael weatherly. And i figured well when met weatherly went to do his own show will that would be no. They loved him so much. They keep writing arts for either. Weatherly is gone. And they referred to house out you know talks niggers aligned to explain you know that you back and then they go on having fun with rj. Because everybody's a joy bureau and he's a pro and he loves the work alone to work and they treat him. I mean but down a red carpet form as they should yes. It'd be a movie star since nineteen forty eight for. And he's the only one on that from referred to david mccallum kid here or mark harmon. Yeah right you're right and that that's the thing you know the people that are still around from a certain time that's why you know treasure them. That's why you ask a million questions Because the people who will have those firsthand real firsthand experiences you know. At a certain point they're gone. And then what. And then you read which is great and there are a lot of people who make it your life's work to archive as much as possible. And that's that's all very important but nothing is like getting to go to someone and say. Tell me about this this this this this. Tell me what this was like. Tell me what it looked like when it sounded like you know they're precious is. I've been very lucky. I what i what i think. Now you don't when you're in the process of doing it when you're putting them both together then you go onto the next floor. The next book make movie and then you make another movie. Yeah but the to be able to maintain a continual of a writing career since one thousand nine hundred eighty blah blah and up and and you know there's fifteen books there and the one shelf doesn't hold a look at all those pages and i think really really. It just seems i don't. I don't understand how it will happen. You know i it. It all blends together. I don't remember all the effort in all the grunting and the lifting and the pushing the boulder of ill. But it's a nice feeling. You see a shelf of books with your name on a right. Leonard yes yeah well it it. It's certainly pleases my ego. Although i i sometimes look at. That shelf shows a Send anybody reading books anymore. You know it's funny. But yes they are yes they are it usually. It's odd generally sell a lot more books than i do. E books with the carey grant and selling books. I'm not sure why. But for instance of the john wayne a allot of books aren't cover and continues to sell paperback very well And the evoke sales were minor. Throw throw ins. Actually this for some reason. Cary grant book showing a lot more e books and i don't know if that has to do with with with the way people perceive individual stars the people who love john wayne want the bomb. You know because that's the book they're going to be on the shelf and they're gonna look at it when they watch north to alaska the searchers or whatever movies are gonna watch Whereas carry random. I don't know all i know. Is that. The publishing industry's not going anywhere. It looked dangerous there for a while but cova. It hasn't really impacted yeah. A people are buying books. I think i would may be responsible for some of those e book. Sales awesome possible possible. But it's generally I've never been very big any books at all. Most of my most of the book selling in imprint. But for some reason this will be allowed to be. I mean we're very much. I love holding something yummy to operate a book. A digital device never went up. We should mention it waft away. Yeah i'm saying one of the things you archer tangled Reviewing books or the palm. Beach co yeah. I still do occasionally -sually three or four reviews a year for the wall street journal booby movie but dot com got gotta column in the journal on saturday. Book runs on saturday. I don't know if it's it's late this month. I don't know if it's the twenty second of the twenty but it's the five best film looks refined best Out of mild. I add elite off. I'm an scott scotland books in there. But that's that was imbalanced will. Yeah yeah false modesty there. It's he makes he makes up for whatever you don't right for you i lost. I laugh because there are certain. It's it's a funny thing but there are certain people at i. I read their names more than i see. I don't know the last time. I saw you scott but but i'm because because i run his website and i post everything. I'm always reading your name. He's not these rights. And scott ireland's says scott says was nice. That's nice to hear. i'm glad. I'm glad i'm glad anytime anybody notice me at all. Because you know i i i have. I have a cottage on my property here. Like he used to have in luke elec. You know that that whole room that huge beautiful room Crammed with books in your desk and all that i have a smaller cottage is to be the coach cottage for the house and converted into my office. And it's it's i shudder to think of. How what percentage of my life has been spent in that small cottage you know. It's you know it's in a sense. It's very claustrophobic existence. You know but other fifteen bucks on a show. So i i'm not i'm not i've had a light. We travel a lot Got always animals. Got friends watching your cat behind you this entire time the. That's that's myrna named after myrna loy. Because the course betty on the other hand is is just a alien from the center of the earth. That's why we named after betty days now betty and myrna. There's there's a sisters bond sisters totally different personalities. I love it. But it's the trade off you make if you're if you're essentially define yourself by what you do is you know and i think probably define myself by what i do but i think i think that when every project takes as long as it takes that sort of it makes sense you know it's not it's not something insane way that a filmmaker you know people who are not in the industry may not understand how long a movie takes from the rating and the rewriting and the rewriting and the rewrite the selling to the making. It's a huge looking. They're looking for someone to give you the money to make every every single piece so when hear from filmmaker. It was ten years. That's normal. i mean it doesn't surprise me at all and so when you speak to having grown up with so many authors And i know that if if there's one book a year that fast own that's quick a good bosley do a book year. that's now. I don't think about that book The longest was four. That's six years mayor was five. That was on me. I should have done for but by first. Draft of the mayor book was twelve hundred pages. And then i it took me a year to edit it just just a cut you make. New connections and cut cut cut make new connections. It was a nightmare and it was my own fault. Because i lost sight of michael That's the only time i've ever that's ever happened to me. Though the only time. I go in having a rough idea along the votes going to a and and sometimes i miss it I go over But as long as the narrative works as long as the story holds. I don't worry about it. No that's where that's where your trusted readers come in. Which is lynn and my editor at simon and schuster bender is a writer when he right one of these books. It's three or four years. You descend into a well and you don't really come up until you come up with the manuscript and at that point you're way too close to it because by the time you're through with it you're sick to death of it. It's like you on the road with the same script for three years. You know every laugh every pause. You know the audience reaction so it's funny to you. Jokes are the is moving. So the response of trust is crucial the end you can't erosion ego between between what you want to hear and what you actually do here so the response from readers that you know you could trust his is crucial. So i'm happy to be to have a an edit from robert gobber or bob better lynch our you know Because i trust they've never failed me yet exact ego that you talk about something. I always compliment my dad. He's really good about taking editing notes. And not taking it personally and i think that people about what it is to be Because i'm one of his readers you know it's it's understanding that it's not about you. It's nothing against you is. It's you know it's is this playing the way you mean for to is just coming across because you have all the context you know you the author no everything around it so you know what you're trying to say and sometimes it works. Sometimes it comes across perfectly another time. You need to to mess a little bit of. Would i find i do. This is intentional part. I want to create the ecosystem around much central character. I spend time with their friends to come wide. They relate to this person or that person you know. Why were they close with these people. Because that tells you a lot the kind of people you're characters have for intimate friends tells you a lot of their character of the so. I tend to kind of work in a concentric circles to bring other people in the story. Which allowed lotta writer still allowed riders. Don't do that. And and i have to be careful about that because there are times i think when i get to. There's too much of that. And i have to pull it back. I rarely have to hold back on stuff dealing with the actual subject. But i occasionally pull back on the peripheral people that there will ever relations with on carey grant book a friend of mine. Said you got too much in clifford. Oh debts i said how much should take trowel and i did. I got a good hunk out of livardo. Odette stuff but i found the relationship is fascinating because You wouldn't have thought they would anything to say to each other. There's such number debt. Odette was so literary so theatrical and and grant was not particularly theatrical or literary But they were very very close. And i think the bond was they woes fundamentally dissatisfied with themselves commonality in the coming out in and withdraws people and now deaths wrote a number of the lonely heart which was erected during last few totally serious films which i think is a seriously underrated movie. I think it's a great movie. I think it's a very good. Have a favorite of your books. Do you have a favorite of mobile's grant the grand. Why why because he's just so ugly. I get it. No when i read the book for some ice on his. I i read through. I told him and he doesn't let me read into leads dumb. It's going to be bigger than your john wayne And a big person but also it was just such a complete. You know a complete picture. And i didn't know most of that stuff about rant And and so. I just i like the best just stuck with me more. I think alexa speed of sound too about the talking revolution. Only very good book that gave me a a real nice balloon picture of what happened in. Why involved involved as interesting those questions. The people interesting the more hardcore the film person the more complex. I get the speed of sound book as yet to earn a dime that it's twenty five years old seriously. It's in the ritz. Still in a red. Although i think it's probably going to go into the black this year next but But that's the book i get. Actually the most compliments is speed. And i still. It's really funny because it's sold the lease of all my books but it's one that seems to appeal to hardcore. Well we'll give it another plug it's speed of sound is a is a wonderful book about the transition period from the silent era of the talkie era and it was written at a time at scott says when you could actually have conversations with people who were there who experienced it like our mutual friend. Edward burns at earliest mendes. Re great guy in a tremendous resource. He sent me assess he sent me. Cause s of of ed. Talking about coquette and mary pickford and and the problems. They had wiring the united artists studio for sound. You know three or four sixty minute cassettes and it was great. It was a lovely man. Was well scott again. Congratulations on the cary. Grant book a brilliant disguise of simon and schuster level. Ever books are so that's virtually or in real life. Yes i'm available. Wherever books are sold action. I'll go anywhere. And i recommend all got smokes. And they're all they're all great reading and and learn from and which isn't wonderful combination and a the We're talking resumes. We can see a cameo appearance by ready for cats jerry. Scary cat just air. Living her very best catelli is just the joy she's just a blissed out and not aggressive unpleasant in likes everybody whereas betty orders everybody around. Sounds like our two. Yeah yes exactly like our dogs. Yeah they have nothing in common but their sisters. What are you gonna thank you guys. 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"Hi, Leonard Baltin, and I'm Jesse Maltin reviving. Reviving Lloyd let me introduce you Norman, you beat me to the punch. I didn't mean to go ahead. Let all right. No, no, because it's you only you only you having reached the the majestic age of one hundred and three that I will defer to you introduce yourself again, please, sir. I am and Lloyd being Tele rated by linen more and his daughter who is a foldable persons. Well, you're, you're keen judge of of carrying character indeed. Well, we are just thrilled to be sitting here in the living room of Norman Lloyd, and if you don't know, Norman Lloyd, you're gonna learn about him in the next hour or so, and you're gonna learn that this is a man who has had the most remarkable eclectic career is a good word to use eclectic beautiful graduate. I've always admired you your choice of words when you right. Oh, but collective has never been used before in my collective pressure. Well, good score one for me. Then. This is a man who perhaps the only man almost certainly the only man who can speak first hand. About Charlie Chaplin Alfred Hitchcock. Shaun Rehn will Jean Renoir. Orson Orson Welles and Robin Williams. Yes, that darling man, that's how Jesse I encountered. You was in the movie dead poets society, which it's it's a funny thing because I don't. We've known you for a very long time and you are always lovely, and always this booming, incredible voice of God. But I knew you personally before I'd see new on screen and I remember the first time watching dead poet's daddy. He's so mean he so me. He scary. He's very in this. I'm so proud of that. It was a strange thing to to know you and see how you are. And then I think it was probably one of the first times I had that where I realized that an actor is really an actor and that they can be all kinds of different things when they choose to be. Dead poet's society, which was a very good picture. Wonderful. How do they great director Beata wheel. I cannot speak highly enough about Peter wheel. Wonderful. Talented, Ozzy what a talented Ozzy. Yes, you're right vented. Well, put he what we've had a couple of conversations pita an from Australia every once in a while the phone rings. That's nice. I'd love to do. Find a property. To do with Pedo. Peter would like to find a property to do with me. We've talked about it, but we have no look. Yet yet we are positive what I said yet yet. Thank you very about. We're not. We're not putting an end to that. That's let's right. All right. I keep searching. I tried to what blocks me from rarely finding property the bowl game every day. And the ball game comes on. And everything stops. I should. And you know, in my ancient age. The by train assays, you've got to walk slow bunch every day. You've got to do these physical exercise, Joe flow, and I think that's very good, very good advice. And in the course of the day, I eat show fourth. Doesn't the game gums. And I sit. Who is your team dodge dot? I did. I did see a dodgers beanie baby when came in, which is not something I expected. Dodges for me. Well, no amidst the Hirschfeld's and the photos of hitch and chaplain. And how spin and all of these people? No, I was not prepared to find a dodgers beanie baby. Remember something that this is going to take to the beginning. Right? Which is where you hail from? Yes, you sir. The dodgers hailed. That's right. A proud proud citizen of Brooklyn, New York. You couldn't tell from his thick, Brooklyn accent. That's that's question. Number one. Where did the accent Goto but let you it's very, it's not unusual for you to ask that not for you, but for one skit. Sure. About three weeks ago. I was by some theater group, the name of which I cannot remember. They stowed lifetime of war on me. In the cost of it. As they rose and tribute. It was beautiful. They rose in tribute of they cheered and everything. And I thanked them. I said. Real mind if I remember my Brooklyn. Oh, I don't. Oh, thank you. All my work in the theater. And then I added what you heard the way I pronounced there. I said that is a result of my working on my speech. Because what I entered LA galleons theater in nineteen thirty two. This is the great actress, Eva legal, Ian, right? The the actors. Laghaouat Stater was called. Civic repertory theatre, oh, was down on fourteenth street and sixth avenue. And she admitted me as an apprentice. At one day, she said to be raw. If you wish to be a member of my company, a. You have to speak better English. Well, I was from Brooklyn. You said, what for. I wish I thought of that. I gotta do such thing. That this is a smart girl? Yes, she is. You should carrier arou- onto. I. Here's the thing. Nineteen thirty two. I entered the civic repertory theatre. And I had Brooklyn speech. Actually, it was pretty bad, Brooklyn because the predecessor, the precocious of by Brooklyn speech was Jersey City, Pete. Hi, where I was born and enjoys you city. You spoke like jersey. So I would from jersey, said it to Brooklyn, and you know, I caught the ball games and you know the dodgers go all the way back with me and, and at as a kid broke from. You would go to Ebbets field. And you say you bomb, you know, good. F- bomb. I JJ cry, mad one. Hell you find another business. You're yelling at the players. That May June authentic fan, right? If you just sat there and say, he's had verbal, can hit, he can run, they can throw all good. I mean. My hero, even though I was a Brooklyn dodger. Babe, Ruth, his too. Yeah. Well, he transcends everything that you of utter a truth. He transcends everything. I could tell stories about the baby. We're not gonna go to. The thing is. One galleon. Issued this warped. About staying as an apprentice. I took it to heart and studied speech. With her people. She had a couple of actors who had beautiful speech because she was a classical repertory theatre. Shakespeare IP's, and et cetera. And. She was right. You couldn't play. A whole repertory of. Work. Less you could learn to speak. Show I shut about Lurton at I managed to get what has been called a mid Atlantic accent. If I got away Lynn, which I've done on the -cation they know I'm not in bliss. But they know I'm not jersey said he. You succeeded in your quest digested. Thank you. And I say the consequence. To play much classical theatre. In fact, my very last performance in the theater. You're never show I pronounced yet. It's beautiful. Was with Lou Cal Hearn and New York hook and Julius no gig, Leah. And I played the fool. I wish I wish I could step in a time machine and watch that performance with the two of you. Lou was other lay magnificent. He was. To perfectly. Yeah, first of all stature, he was about six five. And he had the voice to go with it. I had the attitude to go with it. In which connection I must tell you at your lovely. And average dot Lu. That's. What am I great theater remembrances. When we were doing king Leo we in, we're social. And you know the Stanislavsky rebulk. There are only there are no small polyps only small actors. Well, we're, we're in. We're SEL. Had there is an actress in the company. I don't think I should name, but there's an actress in the company who is doing reactions to lose beaches that are all over the fair. Mrs. Aged anyway, her. So he's doing that great lear- speech that ends how shop an acceptance to it is Joe have a thankless child. Out of the corner of is I, he sees this actress acting reaction all over the place. And he stops and there's magnificent voice. He says. Quota name. Idea. I want you to know. Small book. So. With the galleons and replied, your question. That I, I started to clean up my speech so to speak and learn how to speak in. So I was able to play many classics. Well, it stood you in good stead all this time. Thank your length of now. Since we're in talking about the theater in the nineteen thirties, it brings us to the first of the titans. With whom you crossed paths. And I'm speaking of Orson Welles that will talk about John houseman, his partner in crime, but Leonard you of made the proper correction. Because also and did his best work with Jack Ausman. Yes, I know many people feel that. Yeah. What was your first impression of Orson. Well, at curious, it was contradictory. I, he was, you know, a big fat guy. I all this hullabaloo about him. And. I, I met him when I always Jack Hausman who brought me into the mercury. And they brought me into this office and this was awesome. Had we chatted immediately took a very competitive attitude towards each other. Because I thought I was one of the world's great actors and also knew he was. And the egos, if so, clashed immediately. But the class was subterranean. It was a feeling about each other and of. A sub-conscious relationship with each other of. Of fall out of word. Show. I thought, what the hell job. At Gioja. She's a chew bankas holiday. I'd like to play it. So I better be polite. And also was polite except he sensed. He sensed. That I had an immediate competitive feeling about him. I won't say dislike, but there was no like. It was just competitive. If you're so good, let's it. Uh-huh. Did this. What by the way was my Brooklyn bringing up, you know, we'd play Punchbowl then f you, you. What do you think this spurred you onto. To do your best and to to want to show him. Well. In this sense? Yes, put the question. Well, because that may be explains why I I did what I did with my career. And we got on. And actually when I left the Mark mercury. Also was thinking of doing a Henry the full. And I came back to visit on one of his productions to visit the mercury guys and also. And he said to me in make up on stage effort of owns. When are you coming back? Which I consider that a compliment and very nice. His behavior was better than mine. Now. John passes. He doesn't do Henry the fourth at that time and I go onto things with it. So. There was a tribute. Play. At the mercury theatre for auction. Towards? Well, he was. Eight done a few years of work. Tribute at the theater. I was invited back each night was devoted to another aspect of all since Korea. I was invited back to the classical theatre. The early days the mercury and so on. And others came later. Now what was all over everybody dispersed and said, good night to goodbye. All on the stage. I went up to say to him. Braced me a great bay, a hug. Lean down. And wished. But in my. You son of a bitch. That's the last travels. Wow. There are no dull stories about Orson now. No. Now he was not dull, no people of a certain age. No, John houseman. Ironically, not as a producer, not as an entrepreneur, not as the head of the Juilliard school of acting, but as an actor himself in the movie, the paper chase, the TV series that followed in those endless commercials for Smith Barney where he said, they earn money the old fashioned way they earn it. So he had a latter day fame that I don't think he ever anticipated, but many people agree with you that he was really the man who sort of enabled Orson to do what he did both in theater and on radio and and many people who haven't studied history, don't know that. This is true. Hey. Relationship with houseman was strawberry. Because. It was routed and such. How to call it, their arguments they screaming at each other, there. Castigation of h. Was home Merrick. They would scream nearly other in the theater, the mercury, and I be great sports fan. I had a great time to. I'd take the paper and read because it was the kind of screaming near Lang, that sort of you didn't hear again or me was bad. But it was fruitful. And he never did it. Best work we ever did was with Jack Ausman because Jack Hausman was a man of the greatest take, and he did. He -nology had. He was unique. He was great. He should have been in the hall of fame. I don't know why that never happen, but I can never say enough about check-outs. Remarkable and the fact at the end that he had this careers night triumph. Yes. Well, he was a guest on a TV program that also was the host. Up at Alsan by way of teasing him, I guess, said to him, Jack, I, I didn't know your. I'm Jack said to him, you'll never asked me. Perfect. And then you while end up as a guest star in an episode of the paper? Chase, yes, indeed. No. Why did that happen? I don't know how that happened. It was. I'm curious, turn of events, the beginnings of which I don't remember what I'm. I'm glad that it's a wonderful little asterisk in your career. Yeah, the two of you got to work together one more time. Yeah, I love jackass Mun. He meant motor me that now must anyone I've ever known outside wild family? That's a big statement. Yeah. Now, the next big statement person we want to ask about is Alfred Hitchcock because this was in the very early forties you got cast. I mean you had done a couple of bit parts, I guess, but this is a sensually your first movie? Oh yes. Nineteen forty. Two. I came out here to do Sepetu. By the way. Recommended to hit tho the polit. By Jack council. Now, the interesting thing is. Both Jack Hausman. And hit. Well, under contract. To David l. shell snick. And. Hitch, went off on zone. Jaxkar bowl was producing shutt-, but hitch as houseman. If he knew of young actor who could play this saboteur. And Hausmann immediately recommended me. Identified that morning of going over to here. I think eight o'clock in the morning, just research. And. We had a conversation and hit it off, like Hamon aches. I just was perfect from Nord go. That you showed us a photo. In your office over there. It's you and hitch an. I've never seen him that young. I mean, you're a baby face as well, but I've never seen him that young and it's wild. You already looked connected. You already. You said you've just gotten back from filming saboteur. It's, it's incredible to think that that you were part of his. Is movie making that early. This country. He made wonderful pictures in England. Yeah, but then he came to rely on you. Then as with Joan Harrison, we did TV series. And when did he start looking to you. For advice at different as more than an actor. Yeah. Well, I tried to. And I used as I did Wellstone same, I'd have come sations of the set. While we're waiting for the shot. And just Chang. What I felt about a shot, whatever. And gradually the fellas. Would he. I didn't want to use the word help. It's not help an assistant to just be there. And. It happened on shatter where I play the shop. But what hitched liked was that I had all these opinions. Certainly about. Acting particular scenes. So. So he remembered that. And when Lou awesome. Who was the major figure in this town. As hitch to do a television program. Hitch agreed and sent for Joan who had been. He's script girl and England, and then. She advert and the script for him. And I think she wrote were one of the Registan, Rebecca, and then the case on one of the pictures and. They felt they needed help. Oh, I know show he and Joan did the television series the first two years. And they, you should do thirty nine episodes Aghia which is unbelievable. It is just the two of them. Show, they decided they needed help. That's when they put me on. Would joan. The beautiful trauma lately and a great talent. I the great talent she knew about pictures. She knew how to handle the set. She'd walk on the set in the morning before going to office to check everything. The crew Dora because we beautiful and very elegant. Great. Ulama gal Quadra lady ally. I assume they knew she knew her stuff. She knew her stuff and the crew must have known that let you put it right that they'll love that. I did it again, did it again. This never happens at home. Enjoy it. Now it'll be over snow, never happens at home. I good nece. You hit the nail on the head. But you never could have. Surely you couldn't have envisioned that you would go through life being. Identified as the man who dangles off the statue of liberty in saboteur. And that's your very first movie. It's incredible. You're a New Yorker, no less. So all the things to dangle from. That's that's that's city pride. There. Yes. Dying golfed statue of liberty. I'll take you see a picture I have in the back of me inside the head of the real statue of liberty. With all, try by the photographer. Maybe I think he took it. Let's say he did say he did that. I'm I'm inside in the most composed Fash. I look really dressed. I'm just a guest inside the head of the statue, but a statue was always a dead, defy with me and. -able noble defecation I could not possibly. And what a way. I mean, what do they say? What do you do for an encore? And that that is I hell of debut. But then within just a few years, you had another great assignment for Lewis milestone who you mentioned before in one of the great World War Two movies, a walk in the sun and that film holds up one hundred percent. Oh, it's so beautiful. I think let it. Harry Brown. Terrific, right. Millie, the way he staged the way he conducted with the actors. I love Millais. He was. What the guy fell on short of hard times at the end. I think that to do with the political thing. Well, that was true for so many. Yeah. Yeah, so many that you knew? Well, many of your contemporaries dealt with that in a very serious way. I can't. I can't imagine first of all working in film as long as you have and seeing how drastically that's changed because you're still filming now. Creek drain, Rick trade. Any of the stuff you're working on, it's the idea of your history is not just history, but it's also to do specifically with this medium. We live in, you've seen it shift in such dramatic ways. And then you've worked with people like Charlie, Chaplin. Oh, so to say that, I mean, too young person, if you say yes, he worked with Charlie Chaplin was and was very dear friends with him. And then two issues ago made a movie with Amy Schumer. They may not understand that that's a part of you. You will do anything really true. Oh. Tuck break. Can you imagine being shocked at the age of one hundred? Three? Sure. Amy Schumer. Did it. Did she remind you of chaplain water mouth on. Oh boy, but I love. Oh, I love it. But. You don't know what's gonna come out mouth. Now, from what I understand you I met Charlie Chaplin socially, not professionally. I, I met him. As follows. I was Joe. Cotton's playing tennis. Joe would have tennis on Sunday. This is the same. Joseph. Part of the mercury theatre, oh yes. And is in citizen Kane? Those of you who know that film, Joe was the most beautiful people I've known. I'll tell you something that great picture of Carol Reed. The third man, third man, which is always sort of said, oh, well, also did that wonderful thing with the wheel and all that. No. Oh, should very interesting work, but that picture is Cup. The way he goes through that picture is just extrordinary and less shop hero waiting for the woman to walk by them on all that gets me every time every time. Joe was just what? So he was an avid tennis player. Yeah, he liked to play and have tennis. Pretty good, wasn't. Above like me. I had a gang not I play with your own show. But the point is that. I got to. Always Joe's on a Sunday. And one of these tennis days we played and at that game was a great tennis player. Great friend of Bill Tilden's name, Kim to round who was of very dunning what I say stunning. He was a man of the twenties really addressed that way. And he behave that way, and he was a great friend, great, intimate of limited group of people, one of whom. Was joke up. And so he was there for tennis when I play that the end of it, he sent to me. Would you like to play next Sunday Saturday. Charlie chaplin. And I thought, oh my. Because you've got on the stand. I don't know about you is baby, but about me, I would sit and a high Chas I call them what the tray. Now, India, by the way they would quiet me which put a little Charlie Chaplin whom they wound up. The walk. Did Cain. Oh God. I mean, history was being made. So. I. What I got a little sense into my head. I shut up really hit me this. Great. This act. Who ever lived. And I mean that it a very calculating fashion. No one was ever shot. He was world famous in a way that no one of it was and what he acted was breathtaking. You could tell you a great story about the Jin ski who came to this country. Would laugh. And. They were in New York. Did show that they then moved to Chicago. Did they show that? And then they came out here and the Jin ski expressed a wish. The one thing he wished was to be Charlie Chaplin. So that was a raid. He came out to the set. Charlie, put them next to the camera. Charlie was shooting shorts of the time and the shore. One of my favorite things of all time is short, Charlie's joy, on-road skates. The rink the rink and skating is on believe, you know, it's all dubbed, but it can't be because he scathing one like in the one behind them one up on his ear, I mean, unbelievable. And in the midst of it, he he is terrible solving. Oh. And your looks around. She's Jin skiing. Oh. Oh, I skate. So ver Jim ski, ginger ski. What is it? What is it that somewhere in south of do go, no. No, no. You're so funny. It's most rushing story. I know. Oh, jolly to that story. So. I about the tennis. So the following week, I was instructed by Tim Durant how to get trolleys house. Admit. The butler. Now child as Buth. Whose name was what's them. You know. The scheme of things where it's called the Butler, did it. Mhm being, yeah, the Butler that was Charlie's, but what's. Who is the ultimate snob. Hey, look down on Charlie and. Who shall beautiful as a couple God. Jolly wants to me. I never knew what love was to lie. Do this woman. Beautiful. We will coming up tennis court, our member anyway. What happened was that. Watson admitted me for all this all basically. Oh, I think I told her about lady mental. Watch them had been lady mental Butler ID thought that gave better is the chaplain. So he was very small, but you're chopping. Charlie knew it hadn't loved it because he, he would do things that would irritate what's. Fun show. I went to the caught. Up there on the tribe and. I shut went down to what was tennis house and sat there waiting at Suren of jolly Cayman. Greeted everyone very politely. Then we got on the court. Have we played doubles. I think Bill Tilden blade with John. And. I played with Jim or something, whatever. We show I left. The following week. Tim gall. Would you like to go up to Charlie's again? I said, yes, I would now this first venture. I had no come sation with Johnny toll. Yes. Nice to meet you and was over. Thank you very about until. So now this was the second. At this time he was. Oh, nice to see you again. And. We got on played. And. I had a good time we talked. He played with someone else. I'd never played with Charlie at this point. Show he played with the play out, and I played with someone. Probably, no. He was playing with chairman. I had someone else and. That was the second time. In the middle of the week. Next week, there is a call from Watson. Could you come up and play tennis with Mr. chaplain. Yes. I felt advantages to be out of work actor. Show I went up and it was just Charlie. He was most gracious at. I said, how nice it is that you could play today. I'm so glad, and we played. After it, we went up to his study which was a son house. And he had his old fashioned. I did that. And had just drink of sold. Oh, whatever. I'm from narrow, and he kept calling every week to come up and play. And weekends. Gradually it developed into a shallow thing. The two of us. Conversations about the world. And productions making movies at cetera, et cetera. And it got mobile intimate. Finally, he said, would you like to invite your wife up for dinner. Becky came up and she knew hit it off like ham aches, and it got to be a great friendship with Peggy and own had they can often. That was it. And then eventually he hired you. He only hired me as an actor. We own the property together. He wanted to make, which I recommend it to him. They shoot horses, don't they all. Oh, my now. One day he said to me. I remember where it was up sweet his house. We check in the show have to tennis. And he shed. No. As anything that you'd like to do. And if there is, you know, and. We might do it together. I almost fell down in shall well show was no, but I mean room. And I thought, gee, you're making a picture with Chaplin. That's the sum of something. Show I recommend that they shoot horses, don't they. Where she knew he knew the piece. And I thought if anyone in the world should make that picture. That should be jolly because he would know the background like. Perfection. Notable Horace McCoy's book. Yeah, but it's such a downbeat. Property. I can understand why Hollywood wouldn't have snatched it up, and it was still downbeat when they made a wonderful movie, but it's tough movie to watch. Jolly was go to accept. He got involved Ed writing. Limelight. Has absorption was in limelight, because limelight represented to him. His own ending. Yeah, he was a jolly. It library says it's over for me. I can't do it anymore. That's what's so beautiful about that picture. His confession. That it's over for. Show movie. And I was very proud of the fact that the asked me to be in it. And. He was great. I mean. History. Certainly it was history even then Jesse and I often use the same phrase. It's not history logging while you're making it. But in this case it was street while he was making it because it was so personal and yeah, guess she, it wasn't. Just the tramp. Every no actor and the pictures about an old active Fe out, which was Charlie because after limelight is beautiful film, beautiful, but then Charlie got involved in two other properties. I don't know what that all that was and that didn't work that it was. Just forget it. Although I must tell you why went to visit him, but it was making. That's what's. How does from Hong Kong account as Hong Kong? Yes. I fell madly in love which he Laura. Well, that just shows there's red blood coursing through your veins, fell common common feet. And. Ball london. Verano. Gybe advert. And. Marla new new jolly. Show all I would just sitting on the set. He came over me up. I don't get as a message. And I didn't say anything, but I thought to myself use all of it to your dying day. You'll never get his message and that was it. Marlon Jesus. It's a shame it's a film is kind of a missed opportunity. Too bad too bad. But so we, I know fans and scholars even we prefer to think of limelight as his finale. Yeah. Well, there's also the the king of New York. That's the other one he made. Yeah, overseas. That's pretty good too, but limelight just seems like a of a summing up. Yeah. Beautiful. It's just the perfect picture of actor retiring now, television open new doors for a lot of people gave work to a lot of actors, certainly and opportunities to a lot of young up and coming directors writers producers and to people of experienced like yourself, and you had many great opportunities. Thanks to television. Well, yes. I the fact that I was lucky enough. Well, the two things about television in by case. Well. The Alfred Hitchcock percents and elsewhere. Now, I think change elsewhere was one of the greatest shows ever done television. My wife and I would second that opinion. The Jess. He was too young. She has an actual excuse. He was too. Yeah, I'm glad shaman Joe life, but. Shea belch wet. The writing was the stall. Then the actors were a good cast. We had Ed Flanders one of the finest actors in America, a superb act up. I used to tell the young actors who came on set, watch him, do what he does the way would do scenes at is dial and so forth. Billy daniels. Who of course see Jesse knows him both from seventeen seventy six a show and film we love and from his later. TV mainstay. Oh boy meets world boy meets world their world. What's going is called boy meets world and he played Mr Fini who was a teacher and I, I was I was obsessed with the film. Seventy was am obsessed with the film seventeen seventy six. But we also love the show and I listened to the cast recording over and over again. It's one of my favorites, but so the first time that I saw him, I said to my mom, oh my God because it seventeen seventy six. And the next time it was, oh, my God is Mr Fini from this show and anyone. My age has a similar reaction because a lot of times you watch you watch seventeen seventy six in school. I think we watched in fourth or fifth grade, so that's a lot of people. My age knew that, but then boy meets world was huge was so popular for us. But you had at Herman to love him who is just so wonderful. Absolutely. And and that young Fola what's his name? All right. Denzel Washington. Oh. That's my mom says, Denzil mother can make anything Jewish or or Yiddish. She social say all that Denzil. I know not Denzil. You didn't find him in the Bronx? Not Denzil. That's all right. You tell your mom. She's right. She's right. Denzel denzel's love. That's the stencil benzel. And how he Mandel made a big hit in that show. It was a marvelous ensemble. Marvelous. And. Tom, Fontana of Bush. The head writer wrote some beautiful stuff, but they my character of the old, whatever. And he wrote beautiful stuff that I would do that Flanders marvels. Joe, that was my big television experience except is director and producer. I did the Hitchcock right now. You directed an episode of famous episode call the man from the south right with Steve McQueen, right. Not yet a big movie star, but on his way up the ladder. Right? And the great Peter Laurie, and it's a great, it's a great episode. Wonderful. And they are. They're just right. Oh, he was amazing. I found a way to direct Jim wish not to just leave him alone. Guy is magic. What. Fantastic. Yeah, Peter, Laura, I was. Always curious as to what he was. What was his background who you are. Someone told me he was Jewish now. Hey, look as far away from any synagogue because I've. They would never admit him. And there's an interesting. Yes. And you were in the remake of them? Yeah, I think is a pretty good film. Yeah. Another great cast. David Wayne, every character actor in Hollywood, seemingly. Joseph losy directing, and some people are dismissive of it because they're comparing it to a masterpiece. That's right. That's the thing I do. Joe very well from the time. He, I put me on the WPA. And when he was having a hard time. And he got this assignment to do 'em again. I thought. Why try to do the repetition of one of the really real masterpieces. It's an unbelievable movie that long. Shall we made it? And you know it's passable but not comfortable. I'm sorry about that, but Joe got going when it got to Europe. Yes. And he had a second life there. Yeah, and creatively. I think second life yet as well. You got to. I'm sorry, what? What was the? What was the first time you directed? Was it a show, or was it a film or TV show like stage or. I take her was in the data. Yeah. Stuck. Good place to start. Yeah, yeah. Where I don't know because I wanted all over the place. Right, but we stock. Yup. What do you think you took from me? And that's the thing I can't. I can't imagine you talk about your friends, hitch and chaplain as you're talking to us in, you're saying Charlie in that way that someone who actually knows him can say Charlie where I can't say that because I don't know Charlie, but what, what did you learn from them when you were directing? Did they have an effect on the way that you directed being around those kinds of? I'm sure being around Orson Welles had some effect in that you knew not to shout and scream it. Everybody. Well, what all Sion. His direction was all performance. Oh God. He would act this that. But we put up, we knew that the critics would love him and audience we do. It was going to be a success. And he was, yeah. But I don't know where I, I started to worry. It's in the back of my mind somewhere, but I can't remember. No, I've been in this business loan. Why I'll give you. Truth to tell. Not to quote me. Never eliminate this from the buff Scott. I can't remember at least half the things I did. That's really fair though. I think if you've only got so much room for everything. The old noggin, yes, is one hundred and three years of stuff in there. Stuffing stuck xactly. Now. When you, sorry, please. I've just going to say when you did occasionally direct one of the Hitchcock shows. You only had a couple of days to turn that around. Oh, yeah. That just in addition to the fact that they do used to retain Lee thirty nine episodes year, which nobody does any show today going when they go over twelve, it's a miracle. Yeah. What we did what I came on, they stopped doing thirty nine but we went to thirty seven. Oh, that's easier. Thanks guys. But again, you had to turn them around and such rapid order. Oh, yeah. So you had to be really prepared. Yep. Yes. I'm trying to think. I had to wonder if we had a wonderful crew. And the crow crew is very devoted to Joan. Who is I said, I was very beautiful, very feminine, and. What you say to the pro smoking cigarettes, you know, show full so on. Yeah. Yeah. But as I indicated. When Eric ambler. Oh, wonderful. Terrific guy came into life. You're in Graham Greene, as you put it out. You said he this story right. He and Graham Greene changed the whole format. So to speak. But he's a beautiful guy. Beautiful man style, hopefully. She began to drift off. She which unloved, and. Daily daily appearance which try. She was entitled, yeah, she was well, you worked with one more giant. We have to discuss casts a big shadow Martin Scorsese in the age of innocence. What what? What does he like on the set? I've, I've interviewed him. We've seen him being interviewed. He so articulate and talking about films he loves and we know that he's meticulous in his preparation. What's he like on the set. On the picture I did with him. He was very polite. Very quiet. Very withdrawn and the sentence. Let it all just spend out of it. So. He. Eighty one set to me because. He wasn't a be standoffish, shouldn't watch it develop. And he said, what did usually almost by way of apology? Usually I much close on the set and mall widow. I think he should it that way. That I have been on this picture. And I found him very polite. Very. Creativeness sensiti would say, that's it. That's let's go with it so forth. But he was not articulate nece sense of. Some directors Ovalles show. Mention, I should say, what nameless? Yes, yes. Who. Talk talk, talk, talk. No, that was not SCO Seiichi when a, what? What me another of your more recent credits is one that I like very much in her shoes directed by the late hard to say it because I knew him the late Curtis Hanson. He was beautiful. It was terrible. It sure was we made the picture. The next I hear he's dead. How did this happen? Yeah. And I must say, I admire what you were able to do in that movie because you play a hospital patient, ten, nine, yes. Blind hospital. Patient tended to by Cameron Diaz lucky man. Don't forget. I was in bed with. He's jealous enough Norman, don't rub it in. That's one of his crushes. You can't read that. Good taste. Good cakes. Thank you. But. Oh, I'm reindeers and I were in bed together. I thought. Maybe we don't have to shoot this. I loved him. But what I found interesting is to act while being bedridden essentially has got to be really tough and blind and blind booth. But I mean you're the idea is you have to project energy for your performance. When you're in a position where normally it's, it's rest. Yeah. And even lethargy. Yeah, but but no, you found that sweet spot in between, you know. What interesting that that was talk of my being nominated for an Academy Award, supporting actor, all that and never happen, but there was talk of it while they should've talked more. Thank you. Which I liked it. I thought it was good nights. Thought. I found him most. Enjoyable. Lovely. Curtis was very special guy. Yes. You're right. A film buff of the highest order who became a very gifted filmmaker. I didn't know he was a film. Oh, yes, absolutely. And then he became honorary chairman of the UCLA film and television archives. So that was a great. They were lucky to have him, and he was a great person to represent them for any of you that don't know if you look up these LA archives. They do fantastic work really, really do. Yeah, they work hard and it shows by very DEA. Dale friend, Bob get is also connected what they all. Yes, he's retired now, but boy, his work lives on all the films. He rescued all the films. He brought back to life plus the archivists the film Graham delusion. It's interesting. Awesome said that if a decree, one, fourth, all foods to be destroyed. The one film that should be preserved his grand Lucien all he wasn't wrong about that. The picture is. On believable if you watch it how he got red wa. Not on the screen. The attitudes. The not only performances, but. The way of life. The people. I mean everything about it is so remarkable and some great performances. Yeah, to be sure of Eric von Stroheim with the whisky and drawing his neck back. He. And for neighbor to my acted in the theatre. Play, call, Noah. Great, ACTA. Great actor for may. And we haven't mentioned the fact that you became very close to John Renoir during his exile here during the war. And then when he moved here permanently the Los Angeles, I love John way. Did. Very proud of the fact that he asked me to directors last picture Corolla. Have you seen? I have not embarrassed to say lizard account role, whom I, what am I foam madly allow. Not alone on that one either. I said, you're not alone on that one either. Oh, God. So beautiful in it and a wonderful person. Oh, eventually move to Europe. And as our grandmother, she moved to Europe to be without grandkids. But she was executed in Corolla as she was. I think it's so many thinks she did. But she was a great favourite of your house. Ause. And. A letter that I think for the record, I should tell you one of my favorite scenes was your own. He was making. Of a picture made he at the southern. And this leads. Zack, Scott and Betty field who was may just on Broadway. There's a scene in that. Well, they are very poor people, but two of them and they have a small patch of land. They have to rage raise vegetables on it and order to eat. And see. Little dog. A small dog gets. Oh, no. In this scene, a cow gets into this piece of land and begins to Trimble on the vegetables. This was life threatening. What did y'all. Was he has a little dog come in. Balk at the cow making the cow run out of the patch and into the river. Which story that follows them into the river. Well. That was a problem. Because they would put the cow into the scene. With all the vegetables and everything. Trample. How would we munching away. They would put it in this puppy who was to frighten the cow to walk into the river. So they put the puppy and. And should stop to shoot the pope is scared to this of the cow, and it runs out of the shot. So they catch it. JAL, we'll do it again. On the fifth take. Making no progress with this puppy who would run out of the shot every sheen the cow go boo. Boo. Finally on the fifteenth. Put the cow in. The puppy runs out starts to run out Sean, catches it. Throws it back into the scene and says it. Wa was one of the most beautiful people. I have not. I'll repeat that. You're all run will how is run. Beautiful people I've ever known. He was. Everything you would hope to meet in this business. Dreamy. I don't live my life. With a feeling of envy. I'm very happy with my life, and I feel very fortunate with what I've been able to experience the people I've gotten to meet. But but I have to confess norm that if I could trade places with anyone, it might be you even if I had to lose a Brooklyn accent in the process, what would have to. Yeah, absolutely. Galligan wouldn't have it any other way. Yeah. And Jesse and I, I've been so looking forward to this opportunity to just sit and and hear some of your memories, some of your stories. Yes. Curious thing. As I indicated earlier. I can't remember everything I've done. I just don't I the day I suddenly came across something that reminded me I had made to pick to job McRae. I love Joel McCrea. He was a wonderful guy gorgeous anyways on all the greatest seen you could shoot Phil. Oh, it was beautiful with a lovely why Francis de? Oh, so beautiful. Perfect for Joel who's a giant, and she was teeny weenie. Well, yes. If you're wondering folks, did Norman ever make a western? Yes, I did a couple of them. I did a couple, and then there was one I was taken out of. Because the first scene. Was a charge by us. We would have these. They do the the first take. All of us have. On these horses and director says, well, folk out a lot been. And I forgot up holding onto the pummel for dear life. Well, that's not a western strong. And that was the end the my performance out. You had other fields to plow? Yes, yes, we're glad you did. Chee. This has been fun. Jesse, how? How do you feel thank you for letting us in your house? People don't let us in their house. No, it's it's so love you to welcome us in and show us your pictures and tell stories it's it's fantastic. We appreciate it so much Norman. Well, it's been a long life. Yes. A long life in a full life and you and Peggy were married seventy seventy five seventy five years. Yeah, you've got grandkids in the whole you've you've done. You have done it, sir. Yeah. And at ain't over yet. Right. The chicken would my grandkids. Yes, I'm sure. I'm sure my Jesse named after you. Thank you. Doing very well as y'all of as an immigration. Very proud of him because God is shaved a lot of people. It's very important. We need you AFA back again. Yes, I often think about that, but we quote him, we quote him a lot and a lot one. Yeah. How old was he? Mid eighties. Say eighty seven. I think something like that's right. It was how old eighty-seven Amir tad pole? Yeah, Amir tadpole compared to you. I wish stayed on. Yes. Well, I do too. Yes. Wonderful Levy was immigrant. I think that's the only good thing for law. The be, hey. Yeah, those people and doing good work. Doing doing well by doing good, doing good by doing well, those those those are real. Yeah. Anyway, Norman, we won't say goodbye. We'll say, do you. That's French is in. I think chairman, I think it's German Italian, be careful. I, I always aim my mother. You can't be surprised. No, I know where you get it from me. Oh, mom. Give numb, I will anything less than love. She hit me over that. That's what that's the best description of my mother. I think I've ever heard me over the head. Yeah, I tell you. London amazing of I've. I mean that woman is violent, no, no, no, no small. She's a great partner. She's small that that's how that's how we, yeah, she's a little Bronx bombshell. Well, that's that goes type o type troublemakers. Yeah, but we've got some good ones so Jesse, where do people find us follow day find you and me at Leonard Maltin than at Jesse? Maltin on Twitter and Instagram, and Leonard Maltin dot com. You can read movie reviews and book ups. We have few more book around up's going on, and it's a really neat pieces. Thank you. What did you say. I 's head. You can go to Leonard Maltin dot com. That man on the Interweb you can go to Leonard dot com. Going to him on the phone. Yeah, because you're a VIP. I can't do the internet. Have you don't have to? I resisted the region. I don't do. Is. No, I heard this. I like carrier pigeon put a little note on a carrier pigeon off. It gets yes, very environmental violently friendly done. My son who's quite wonderful. He came in and took away all my internet stuff. He doesn't want it now. I said, why don't you take it? He said, because somebody might get hold of it when you didn't know about it. He had one been cop. So he broaches everything. From a Cup side at youth? Well, well, there's a lot to be concerned about their. It's true. He's not wrong. Is it true? Yes, I'm afraid so. So we're going to say goodbye to you folks and thank you for listening and thank you again Norman for being our guest, and we'll see next time. Thank you.
Adam Arkin and Alan Arkin
"Gilbert Godfrey Signatures Gilbert Godfrey mazing colossal podcast with my co hosts. Frank Santo Bodry. Where please welcome, not one but two guest on the show this week. I, Mark. Reducer Emmy winning director and an Emmy and Tony nominated actor who's been a fixture on the big and small screen for decades in film slyke hit the doctor. Wrestling Miss Empty Guay. Serious man sanctions and popular TV. Shows like Chicago hope no exposure that west wing jerk monk how to get away with murder and Boston legal the newsroom. He's also so sought after director of claimed episode. Of, ceres, such as threes. THE AMERICANS MASTERS UP SEX FARGO JUSTIFY BILLION SONS OF ANARCHY and sanction. and. If we ask him nicely. He might tell us about working with billy Barty and Pat McCormick. Alan Arkin Director Authored Children's book off their infra. Joe Former folk singer. Tony and Oscar winning for former and one of the most, if mired actors of his generation or any generation. You know his work from memorable films like the Russians are coming the Russians coming catch twenty two. Wait until dark. Seven percent solution Argo Glengarry Glen Ross. And Little Miss Sunshine and the movie. We've discussed at length on the show the in-laws he's also written several books, including the terrific, two thousand and nine eleven, memoir and Improvised Swipe. But, even with all those set chief men. His one radius, thrill and honour Worcester shared the screen with me. Kilgore got freed in nineteen eighty five cinema classic bad medicine. For, it was one of the highlights. It was not the of. Two to three others in. holderness much. Out of a movie that will never again. Realize. One. Four Times I played Mexicans which will. Never fly again now I whole. I thought now read the rested as just enough. That's enough oh okay. That's interesting because you were I, both of us played as Spanish guys. In the movie and would that be allowed nowadays, no, because other. Hispanic actors in the world would. Would probably rightfully make a hue and cry. I. Think I think we're done for his for his concern, Gilbert. You want you want to tell the audience who's? Finished the INTRO. Ladies and gentleman lately. I'm having a stroke that'll minded. Can you get? Can't get a sense of. The bottle there a bottle of this. Marketing and Alan Arkin. That's it. Hello everyone. Welcome. Thank you, thank you. We got we got through it. That's another thing. I mean your entire career. You play so many different nationalities. I couldn't be until was thirty. Five I couldn't go anywhere new. Me Would Be Latham I didn't know how to do that I. had a place somebody as far away from me as you. The Basel Catch twenty two was the first time I ever went, I asked I asked Nichols as who is this guy who is? How do you see him? He says it's you. It's terrified man. There is no me. And I was right. Turns I was listening I gotTa tell before we go any further? You're responsible for the single funniest joke I've ever every time. I think event I crack up and I've been thinking of all time now. The one the one. You you joke about Manson having lunch with Ms, it is the fun is single job I've ever. I was having lunch. Jolts match in the middle of lunch. He turned to me and Ted. Is it hot knee or am my crazy? Noble. TOLD LEAD TO. Every time we. Thank. Gilbert what what about the hitler-stalin joke? The hitler-stalin Roosevelt one that the party Oh God. Still. I remember that one Hitler. Joke, where I'm walking down the street and I pay us right by Hitler naive and say hello. and. And he turned around to me and said Oh. I guess I'm the enemy now. Close Rate I remember the joke now. I was talking to hit or at a party afterwards. I went over. The royals fell to its at the same party, and I said that Guy Hitler. I don't like him and Roosevelt said Oh Gilbert who do you like? Up. God. Ask! All right as long as long as we're doing silliness, right front, and we'll jump around like crazy Adam. We talked on the phone about you working with Pat McCormick and billy. Barty and I shared with Adam that. Gilbert had lost a part to billy. Barty, S. Which Adam found rather and try to. What what? What did you lose? Okay, not not a big, not a great film by any permanent ended. I. Eight was. Life stinks. Melt broke break Jer. Show I wish opposed to play I. Guess so like the list Bob! Makes many. Thank our to me got bill barring. A lot of people. Think Billy, billy Barty legless is kind of Bananas Bananas. Double silly. I would change the names of that story. What was it like McCormick? At I know you told me you were supposed to be on that shoot for a couple of weeks and it turned out to be what. I was supposed to be on it. I think for like three weeks and I ended up. Being employed over twenty two weeks. The. Under the rainbow. Those were the days in which a lot of the key players on film Sur could get away with imbibing of various substances and. And I think there were about three or four complete. You know having to shut down for a while in order to get everybody back together again after film. Tell formation to tell that. Story where you ask them. What's in his famous stone? That's We were standing. We're sending while they were lighting. They had asked us to stand there and we'd been there for like twenty minutes and. Started getting really hot and and It was a different time, so people weren't afraid of sharing a drink. But he had a big. FROSTY LOOKING Wax Soda Cup in his hands. He was drinking. I said what is that? said it's Pepsi. Can I can I. Can I have a sip of it? Enhance to me and I take a Swig of it and. It's just. It tastes like a third of it as Bourbon you know. and. And I and I look at them. Say Jesus Christ. Where do you get your pap? Pepsi and he just looks at me with his is slightly hooded and glazed goes bulbs, crazy boy. All he said about. Bob's crazy. We we've had our share. Pat McCormick stories on this show because we've had people like Henry on here. You know this famous story of of going F- He went food shopping with Pat. McCormick and he dropped all of his. You know this one drops his groceries on the on the on the checkout and he says. Did I buy enough toilet paper for all the? The stories are legendary. I used to love him when he would when he would actually show up on the tonight. Show is is with Jani were made. Everybody's in under the rainbow. Leonard Bar Gilbert turns up and under the. Said Sir allegedly Dean Martin Sonko. Okay I always wondered that would strew. How many times have you guys worked together? Do you have an exact number because I mean? This hour ago really? Guess Adam how this of. Off. The top of my head I would say it would have to be at least eight times. Rats exactly right really eight times. Chicago hope I know about you. Chew and the Philly Flash the Larry Cohen Movie. Out recently get shorty. But then I've been erected by DAD number of times on stage. You have. Did you ever of Steven on there. Yeah, I do and Jota Lauren. And Maxwell Anderson play so. And then the last, the last thing was GET SHORTY! Where were love that I love that I? Love that camera. Thank you. A question to both of you because I heard this from both of you, and this is a thought that I always thought when I was going into show business. I used to believe seriously if I had a career in show business then. They was no such thing as sickness or death or being depressed or angry through nothing nothing that. I thought yeah one. You're in show business. None of your immune to all light. So. Alan that comes up in your book a lot. I mean the the idea that that you. You weren't comfortable. Until until the in laws, I think you said you weren't really even having you hadn't even learn how to have fun. Who If if I did. was. The was halfway decent that it was always. A Sigh of relief survived that. that. Was it was I thought? Oh is having fun until I actually had fun one Dan. I saw. This is what fun is like. It's not like the other things that I was doing for thirty years. Oh. It just gives me a flashback when we were in Madrid with bad medicine I remember you saying Oh. I feel like I'm doing a movie. According to the Kurdish now. You've. You've felt I think both of you felt like you were also. You'd be immune to like depression or anything bad. Yeah, yeah, and then you get successful and the and if you're SMART USA, Hey, wait a minute. There was a life around this. When they say caught, you gotta go back to life and you have to do something. It occurred to me when I was about thirty five. Did you. There's there's so much in the book about Data Ben. I saw you telling Kevin Pollack that. In your early performances you were the intensity was was a kind of a desperation. Terror is mostly Tara. IBM had wanted so badly for so long. Those terrified them. What would happen if? I make it work out of make work to make it work. And it's not a good way to live. And, you always thought you were going to get fired and I yeah I might always had one eye on. People were accepting. And at what point did Adam come to you and I was? Is there a specific memory atom of the day that you made the decision? That I'm going to do this and part? Two of that question is did that. Did he impart the kind of the advice from the lessons that he was in the process of learning. Always, yeah, I mean not not necessarily packaged as you know. I'm giving you a lesson now. But but primarily through watching him live through those periods, and and being very able to share his experiences with me and other people's well I don't remember there being a day when I said this is what I'm going to do I I I was separated from dad for a number of years between the ages of flight, four eleven, and was visiting with him during school vacations and during that time. he went from being a former folk singer, looking for work to getting his into second city, getting his first Broadway show, getting a Tony Award for that getting his first movie, getting an Academy Award for that this was all over the space of that time period from age four to eleven I already was already always pining for him, and wanting to spend more time with him, and then from a distance seeing this incredible transformation, it made it a very intoxicating a potential life that I wanted to be a part of you know. No way for. Senior play with with friends, even at the age of four five six seven two games. You would play. Very often be theatrical games and. There's an idol if you remember that, but the, but it just felt like it was a given i. it's nothing we ever talked about, but it just seemed to me that that's what was happening. that you were preparing yourself even a new games you'd be doing scenes from movies and try and reenact with kids. Run the name, so you never said anything to dissuade him. Allen or your other two sons who are also actors. Now at that point I thought it was I thought it was an honorable profession. Always tell us about. Your! Your folks singing career. Terriers. Born at all. People well I i. play the guitar since Ozeki Kid and I got out of college inevitably diamond. It have anything to do. Looking for work, and somebody said YOU WANNA. Be Part of a trio I said I. Get addition with a somebody that this group is looking for another member so I said okay. I got an a group I thought it'd be of way making pocket money on weekends. We got together and within a month or two. We had a record contract and we had. Hit record a very very quickly and I went around the world with them for a couple of years and. I thought it was going to be entree to an acting career and. A naive young man that I was. And it didn't so I quit them after two years, and had enough money to coast for a couple years as a result of the success of one song. And A and that was it that was my new and the album. The are available in their great to. The music's the music's online. Anybody can listen to it. The dairy also Calypso heat wave. Tell us the one song with one song. That was a big hit. It was the banana boat song, but everybody thinks was A. The same as Harry Belafonte is new wasn't. It's the. Make this short as possible. Harry. Belafonte had his version on an album called DEO. Nobody knew about it they they bought the album nobody by that, so we released ours and called the banana boat saw it started climbing up the charts. Harry Belafonte changed the name of his song to the Banak. Chase up the charts and one and then sued us. which was left out cord because we both stole the song from the same place which? Jamaican folks. We're both stolen changed it. But, but before you pull the plug, you did get to be in a movie with my Angelou. That's right before she was Calypso heat wave. Force which I think is my favorite Alan Arkin. Maya Angelou Angelescu. In the book talk about how you were in Paris. You were playing. That was the the famous. Olympia Theater and in the middle of performance. You suddenly saw this guitar on your back. You look down at the outfit you're wearing, you said what the Hell am I doing? I quit the night. I stayed through the GIG. And then I still gotta get out in. Ideally go back to. What I'd studied to do and and Adam. You worked with Captain Kangaroo. I did and I both worked with I only work. Data Dab Dad had data up an established as a character on a few episodes, and after he had been doing it a few times, I got invited to come on and play his father, so there's there's an episode of Captain Kangaroo with. The father to my father. That's nine worth nine. We state. Wasn't there a very short Canadian film project very early in your career. Did you count that one? The short while it's two different things. There was a Canadian film. The Dad was in that. We did a rewrite on together, so we wrote together on that. The shore was a short film called people soup that that's the one of wrote and based on a short story. He had published when he was in his early tee late teens early twenties and It got nominated for an academy award. That little movie would start my brother Matthew and I. And I was all of I think like eleven or twelve. He was nine and you count that one yes. I! Forgot about that. It's interesting to the trajectory of that because you quit, you went back to. New York you got the the phone call to go join the improvisational group in Saint Louis. And, that's when Paul Sale saw you. And invited you to join second city. It's interesting how careers and this is one of the things in your book. How things just sort of happened, well I mean if if I saw you, let them lead you life work that way and the truth matters. That's what say everybody with. Yeah. He asked people my age has your life turned out the way you thought nobody's going to say is everybody's said detours and curves anger they lament. How much you plan! How much you decide! This is the way it's going to be. It's never going to be the way I'm going to be a teacher because a secure and I'll be in one place for the next fifty years. You're in there for three years, and they want tenure and tenure five. You GotTa do fifty and other things. Everybody's life is an improvisation whether they like it or not. Sooner or later, it's profound. I TRY TO BE PROFOUND WHATEVER MONTH? Brings. Tell us how the inlaws game together is the most Banal Story. Imaginable I never met Peter for I looked at I was a fairly good place in my career. That point I looked at that. Tell us doing a talk. Show and I said he and I would do good movie together and I was in. I call them up. Peter I says. How how I? I, so I think we do good movie together. You're interested, sherm We'll do it. So I I called John Kelly was they had warner brothers I said I, think Peter Falk and I might do a pretty good movie to go. He says you've got a bright. You've got an idea. I said No. You gotTA rider I, said not really he said you got anybody in mind. I said Yeah. I had just read the first draft of blazing Saudi saddles, which is one of the three greatest scripts? I've ever read my life. The one that Andrew Bergman road before black bar. There's a lack part it was A. Script and I said I want this guy. I'd like this guy to write it. This is Okay Hira as I, said let me beat them I'll talk to so I went to admiral I said he want to movies as sure. I says you got an idea so well. The only thing I know is that Peter should drive me insane I said as the movie goes on, he should drive me insane. That's the only idea I have. I think that would be somehow a funny conjunction because there's something door about in. And that would be good dry. Six two months later. He comes back with this perfect script. Perfect perfect script, we and that was it. That's the end of the story. Andrew sends a message by the way Alan. We had him here and he was here with the Norman Steinberg one of the writers on blazing saddles. He says ask Alan if he recalls discussing a pirate story, and which Peter would put a patch over his good is. You, almost directed blazing saddles, you couldn't you had yet casting challenge? Yeah, I couldn't find somebody to play the punt needed. Somebody could BOO Goo. Version as if you needed as a needed somebody to play. Dizzy Gillespie and I couldn't anybody who played the single history. Yeah, yeah, they went to finding the right gun and you. You mentioned before that you were the idea of being your father was a teacher. And he he was one of the victims of the whole red scare that we've talked about. Yeah, he was teaching in the La School City school system and they decided they're going to have their own tribunals. Were everybody right down. The political beliefs in a bunch of people said you have the right to ask what a politics of the best private information. This is guaranteed I. Mean It's led the way of. Private polls. It's none of your business. So, he got fired was. condemned. The outta work for about fifteen years. Sued this city of the school system and one, but he had died. After he won his case against the LA school system. Sadly, you said you've said your your politics and your family politics sort of peaked out in your work a little bit. Over! That that that that your political beliefs or or even the the the trauma of all that has has shown up in your work. And formed it a little bit. Over the years not mistaken the politics of it, but the But the the the social issues which my parents felt strongly about. Still feel strongly about feel like I. Spent a lot of time working at through my the idea of racial equality I grew up with since I was a one racially quality of the treating Labor. Fairly the quality of the sexes The group that you were the group? We were talking about earlier. The group that you were in the terriers was comprised of two Caucasians one African American there they they couldn't play in a third of the states in in the country at that point yet. We we were so immersed in in an alternate culture that we didn't always doing something unusual at that point, I mean we just really three guys in one guy happened to be black. We didn't even notice my first friends in my life were black to black kids next store, so it was just the. It was something that I grew up with the idea of. Apprentice. was. Sh. Vehemently shunned by my entire family to earn. Some of whales brought up on. That formula was. An Anam you one said that you could play. You're good at playing. I think the term was Harry guys. that. Hot. Act I felt it left a wide range of options for casting choices when it came to me. Yeah, well between full moon high and Northern Exposure Yeah Yeah Adam and northern exposure. He sort of. Play are mainly our. I am I played Greeks not. We've done a lot of shows we've. We've talked a lot about the blacklist on this show Allen. We've had Lee grant here and. We talked about it with that Asner, and and and several several other people. Because a lot of what this show is that we do is about is about entertainment history. Very very very tragic period. It was a tough period. Yeah, what was weird about it? People say like now I said no, it's not it wasn't like now. Because about a quarter of the population lived under state of stated feeling like they were about the concentration, the rest of them were doing. gidget goes to Hawaii three quarters of the. And, now everybody on the same in the same boat, different sides of the boat with the same boat. What about you? Adam is you? Obviously? You grew up in the same family. Same sense of social justice does it. Does it sometimes? emerge appear and your work. Is it. Is it impossible to separate the artist? Your beliefs yeah I. Mean I, it certainly has tended to inform the choices I've made when when there was a choice to be affiliated with something that felt. politically irresponsible or or Or unwise, but I also played my share of people on the other side of the spectrum. I liked the character on sons of anarchy. Yeah, yeah, and and and the character I played on how to get away with murder. it. It it doesn't bother me to explore the other side of the equation when it comes to a character as long as it's not in some way promoting those ideas, a project that promoted them I couldn't I couldn't abide but. Filling that part of the narrative is fine with me. You play a pretty convincing sociopath on sons of anarchy. Thank you. And I think you've played a morbidly obese sky. On monk, I did yeah. I I was one of three actors to play the same role but I I was the first person to play a character named Dale the whale, and then and then two other actors. After me. Play the role and I never understood what the thinking was except the they were looking for the right guy. You guys. A lot of actors WanNa play those kind of characters. They WANNA play heavies. They WANNA play. Dark characters they want to explore that side of themselves. Obviously Allen. You played one of the great screen. Heavies! Harry wrote well. Thank you. People got with an I didn't get very good reviews when I did I don't think people knew what I was doing. But as time went on like a better reaction to it over the decades. Stephen King raves about that that guy. That's what you've read what he's. Clutch by the I didn't even know on the movie the what he did. They didn't even know on the movie what he was doing for for part of the time, they they. You had tremendous resistance initially when you when you first came in playing the role that way, and then I had moment when I pulled a knife off of the first arm, and they said Aw, they recognize what was doing liberal who played it on stage. Duval Robert Dole. Yeah and what was it like working with Jury Hafer? What whatever your hopes and dreams are about what she would have been like. She was better than that she was. She was an elegant, lovely, charming, fun-loving, hard, working sweet, dear human being and I just. I was enormously impressed with her. I hated hated being under hated it. And Rotten tour you were Stephen. King listed is Stephen. King says it's screen villainy. Rivaling Peter Laurie animal. That degenerate wow God. That's A. About that you didn't have the German going for you. Going back and W. Gilbert, give the boys a little bit of your Peter Laurie just as comic interlude. Okay? No, it was you were and. Hewitt's Yup pretty stupid. Tim by Kevin found out how valuable it was no wonder he had such an easy time getting it. You impressive Yoga Bloated Fayek pets. We like to throw those in. But my my youngest son Tony and I have a game. One word imitations of people. Imitate anybody and whether you only use one word. Appeal and Cheese. How. I think it was a may have been jolly callous. Someone who came up with that Boris Karloff was often t paths. That's right. That's right. We got the first short conroy. Slide. Cary Grant Carey Grant. WAS CODA Roy. What does it say again? Corduroy? Big. Deal what about Humphrey Bogart in the postal us when I hold bait back. Yes I'm free BOGART IN THE POST Office Steve. Allen knows correct and. Go See when he's not wearing a watch and you ask them what time it is. Cooked. And and Christopher Walken when you. I come who is favorite stooge mall. The best word for wall auto. About playing creepy characters, like Ethan in sons of anarchy, or even, and he's lovable, but but he's certainly a an antisocial character, and that's adams character, northern exposure who we talked about and I heard you say he was close to the real you in some ways in nor the Adam in northern exposure. Yeah. He, he's yeah, he's my. Adam northern exposure is just my living is. A! He is a misanthrope. Yeah. I got to play that role because the producers of northern exposure had had produced another short lived, but very good series called a year in the life and I was playing a very conservative conservative character on that show, and after working with me for a bit they they came to the realization that I was kinda nuts and and said. We want to find something to write to that some day. I was like by all means, so that show came to an end in a year later a they sent over the script introducing the character on northern. It was just a thing of beauty. Yeah. It's a lot of people. Consider it the best episode of that show a well. I don't know about that, but but it was certainly an, and then you started. Directing northern was the first chance I ever had to direct an episode and they. They were kind enough to let me do that after I, had observed in and shadowed other directors on the show for while. People are Bruce. Working People crews come up to the all time and say GonNa talk to him as you see, we just got through working with your son. We loved working with. That's A. That's a nice nice bit of feedback Adam to hear that so many actors enjoy being directed by. It's yeah, it's. Nothing could be a higher compliment as I actors and the cruise cruise to a lot of people I saw an interview with Barry Sonnenfeld here a couple of weeks ago, and he was saying how important it was for a director to know the answers to questions, even if he didn't know them, yeah to aunt to answer any question if somebody says which which which which watch, yeah, which vase? And and you said that that's something that at the beginning you were doing, and now you've evolved a little bit on that. It's you've you've earned the right to not know the answer right away. Well I I first of all anything Barry Sonnenfeld has to say about directing I will take a backseat to that because I have a huge amount of respect for him, but I and I think there are a million. A million micro decisions that you have to just make up your mind about but just as importantly for me. I have found that The more I've opened up to the help and the advice of people around me on a crew of the better I do Crews, our. Crews are filled with people who have a huge amount of expertise in their individual disciplines and. it. It's just insane not to avail yourself of that. You don't have to you everyone's idea every time you hear one but but nine times out of ten I have found that by relying on the expertise of the people on my crew I, I end up making better decisions as a director and a question to both of you watch the first sign that you're working with a bad director. The first son, yeah? When you're that moment where you say this guy, just us. Nobody's doing any timely cast me automatically suspect. Hurdle. They're going to have to climb over the course of our relationship with one another. I. Find A. Immediately suspicious of directors that don't really communicate with the cast after the initial takes of of a scene To you know whenever whenever the notes are not character or story related, but simply technical over and over again and a sense that you're trying to be molded into a shot that is interesting because of what it is as shot rather than whether it's really serving the scene that that that always tends to make me a little nervous. Allen's in the witness protection program. He just wanted to I Figure I I don't know. I can't locate it to like one moment, but I do not like directors at scream at the grew I have a think about that. Don't like that. I don't I, I'm I'm living area people that decide they want to do. improvisations before we start shooting I, we don't know each other Those direct is always that. Make by start rolling my eyes because. Everybody wants to get the work on the dam script. And once you got the script a little bit under your belt venting then an improvisation could be exciting and as a tool, but to start out with with people. You don't know improvising characters don't know yet. It just starts feeling like a waste of time, and it's always been. At that to me is like a novice director I don't like directors that don't want to rehearse that. That annoys me I. Don't like actors that don't WanNa hers. They think these ruin their spun eighty at which time I point to them out the most spontaneous. the most spontaneous performance of the history of movies, Brando and Streetcar who had at that point done about three hundred times on Broadway when he did so a. don't want to hear about spontaneous from people. Make it look spontaneous. Do, do you. misdirecting ally directed a hand I just started I'd love to directing. I watched little murders last night. which is just so and so proud of the credibly. Commits very currents surprisingly. Yes, I. I was going to mention. Paranoid. Broken down like police chief for shop like lieutenant practice. A. Terrifies even me when I watch, and then I played the garden you made it and what seventy seventy one and it's and it's as relevant as emily one. Was it seventy seventy, one God that's fifty years I believe so yes old. And! We liked fire sale on this show. We've talked about it a lot. That's another one that will ever. Old were. You obviously had a taste. Maybe you still do for black comedy and. Tell us about the late great Fred Willard, who was in the original little murders Oh. My God was huge because we just lost. I know he was. You've spent time with him. You felt like you with some farmers assistant from Idaho. Hints Verno. No vestige of a sense of humour then gets on stage, and it just wipe the floor with everything that was going on around, he added. He played. Played the lead in little murdered saw my production off Broadway. And every there's a scene in which Patsy. Yeltsin has a long monologue where she's yelling at him, and he's sitting in the listen. He fell asleep in that scene every night of the run and she had. Him. Sleep on stage every night. I had a thought about him. Because you had brought him up. We were talking about him Franken. Our earlier conversation and But but he there was something about Fred I never thought of this before, but the swimming about him that carried on the tradition of Bob and Ray in in a certain way that there was something about interesting something about the the the the minute show of these kinds of simpleton characters that that he was able to make so hysterically funny over and over again. At by underplayed yeah. And they both like specialized in like really barring character. Who? Derek honey in there is there. There's there's a great story in the book. I'll I'll make people by the book Alan and read it. There's a great story and improvised life where you were you through the cast and improvisation Oh. Little murders in little. Doubt Yeah I'll make them by the book by the way we love those actors Gobert. How much do we love not only Elliott gold who turns up in a great episode of the Kaminsky method by the way but Vincent Gardner. Elizabeth Wilson and Lou Jacoby. We live for these papers. Just just wonder if we put up an electrified fence, and if they catchier going outside of it, they beat the shit out. I don't like it, but it's an emergency. We get a lot of listeners. This shows also on Sirius radio. Now as I told you guys, we're going to recommend to the people listening a little murders which you can find, and it's terrific, and also fire sale with that great cast, and Alan, and I were on the phone, talking about Richard Liber teeny. Who who can do no wrong. But. Kay Medford Vincent Gardenia Rob Reiner I mean. SID CAESAR TURNS UP THAT'S Agean at comber scenarious. It's a great cast logo. Really Yeah truly funny, we all. Were while I'm at, it works for me I must be in the minority. I love that you said to that that you need to see people having a good time. You need to know that people are enjoying each other when you're watching. Yeah, but she also said when you go to Carnegie Hall or when you owe you any kind of you see a music group together. It helps you to know that they get along. But everybody feels. That with this album think about it. You get the the to find out the Beatles didn't get along is depressing. Doesn't make any sense and it's. It's depressing for all of mankind. It's just A. I you say to yourself. What can they be? The something like the United Nations Doctors Without Borders people just doing the silly stuff game. Have a good time on. What's what sold for the rest of us and Martin and Lewis. Yeah here's Dari Tabatabai. Safran Stilo you don't WanNa know yeah, yeah, it does. It hurts your enjoyment of it. I got a couple of questions from listeners. I, warned you guys. About seventy of but I'm going to narrow actual five or six. These, These were sending. Other shows so you're gonNA give. Question. HAGGERTY's. James! but it can find leave, says I don't have a question, but but a comment. The Sardine Likud in big trouble. Is the single funniest thing I have ever seen an actor. Longest spit taken history. Yes, yeah and bet. I told beverly you were coming on, and she said I never forgot the honor of working with that man and the grace he showed. On big trouble, Beverly Angelo I thought you. Know. I used to go up to a pre beverly. You look just beautiful today. She's don't. Don't ever say that. Tell me that. Here's one from somebody. You may know Adams you know a gentleman named Sherman Allen certainly do. He says first of all I want to ask. You've got to ask Alan something about the original Broadway production of the Sunshine Boys, but I also want you to get Adam to tell one of his long jokes. Possibly Shelley Berman. Time for me to tell a joke I. I think so. something suitable. All right. A kid is sitting on a park bench, eating some candy. And an old man walks up to them and says kid. You don't WanNa do that. You don't eat candy canes bad for you You keep eating candy. You're GONNA, have all kinds of problems with your health. Take it from me. Kid looks up and he says My grandfather lived to be one hundred three. The old man says related. Did he a lot of candy? Kid says nobody minded his own fucking business. For US Sherman. We will return to Gilbert, Godfrey Amazing Colossal podcasts, but first a word from our sponsor. I want to talk about better help. Something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals, yes. I, I saw that coming up. Broadway I'll better help. 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Waited Handle, Shave Gel and a travel cover offered just three bucks plus free shipping. Just go to Harrys DOT COM and enter eight, nine, eight nine at checkout. That's Harrys dot com code, eight, nine, eight nine. Enjoy. And and one thing we discussed on the show, and and especially we discussed it like movies like airplane. And Ace like that off playing comedy seriously I. Think That's something that that Dad. has always had a particular genius Ab The. The ability to play absurd comedy with dramatic stakes like someone's life is dependent on it. Like Sheldon and the in Laws Yeah I. Think I should have done more with. Shogun I as I look back at an. Fillet goes to goods. That's something. With both the view. One do you watch your movies and TV appearances afterwards and to define yourself going Oh god I'm awful. You Watch your own performances I for my point, I think. Relatively objective to what I think I'd capable of the join have done if unhappy with critical of the defied feel like. I've made. A couple of technical errors or choicers and stuff things like that I'm. I don't know how why or how, but I would think relatively object. Some somebody wants asked me ended uses the ever look back at old performs decribing and feeling that I said yeah, but that means you're growing in these. New better another Bruins, so that's okay, songwriter. Everything's Fine I. Love the world everything's Yeah. Everything's aside from where all prisoners in are homes, but otherwise I watched some of my work, and want to crawl under the furniture, and and occasionally I end up being pleasantly surprised that things turned up better than I thought. They say there've been several occasions. We'll have known other places. Would add. Them. How, what what's a favourite performance or if not a favourite performance? What what? What's a performance that you just? You can't turn off if you see Adam. Doing it or is verse? Northern exposing the definitely. I love the Philby directed of. My other son Matthew's wife. What the I wasn't named Adam I. It Tony's wife, Amelia. And it was my Louisiana Sky. It's very. On, my watch watch very good times as beautiful. His work on a on east wing West, what is West One west wing, West Wing and Yup. Bows and The first thing ever did which is people soup, which is short film I still love to watch. That's four. How many more do you need? That's enough. Adam same question. You know I just had the great pleasure of turning my son onto the Russians are coming. The Russians are coming. and. I! How old is your son? He's fifteen and he knows he knows his grandfather's work, but he he knows his. His current work more recent work better. He'd never seen it and. I just love that movie. I love the entire movie and I think DADS performance in it. Would be amazing under any circumstances the fact that it's his first film. It always blows me away. It's just such a masterful beautiful piece of work. I love him in Little Miss Sunshine I loved him in the film the hardest lonely. Hunter! and. And Got It's Har-. It's hard to pick just a few because there's so many that have just blown away. I'M A fan. in-laws is right up there, too. You know speaking speaking of the in laws. Allen Andrew was on with us, he he told us that an obviously he's. He wrote it, and he seen it hundreds of times. He says the little moments in the film. The throwaway moments are the things that bust him Bob now. Like Peter Talking about the chicken sandwich. Well, that was INR is. That I forced into. We were rehearsing. That seem driving backwards on the on the fee Wendy. Didn't have any dialogue there and he just started talking about just start talking about this chicken sandwich. He just even. I said you got grant I said you gotTA. You GotTa do that. The film is filming, so he said okay, and and he did it, and that was that was I. Think one of the few things supervised the moon I remember to after an insane car chase in the end laws. They finally the car stops and and you say did. We hit the little boy crossing the street? A. That was written. What makes Andrew. Laugh is like faulk in the coffee shop. Saying to the GUY is this DECAF? It's very. One of my favorite things in the whole move is the fact that we're talking about secrecy emissions of the top of our loans. Right. But the two things still crack me up in the book. Is that the fact that we make no reference frame and he's talking about secrets. Young thing is when I'm running for my life in the hotel and Mexico and he keeps. Throwing me down to the ground. He about three or four times by that time so insane that. Position, going. Those laws home to. Set classic part of the film. were a talks about the giant flies. It's not all. The the Jose. Jose Greco stemware face. This red tape and the book August flies. I'm going to mention to Alan. Arkin performances that maybe maybe fly under the radar, a little bit Allen when people look at your career Simon Blue. That's fine I like under the radar. I liked that one. and. You're Sigmund Freud in the seven percents. was afraid to look at that I felt like I. Underplay that. It's great. It's a great. It's a great movie performance. Second screwed up because what happened was I got the part and. I started researching foyt a research and research at can reading the script and I say this has got nothing to do with what he's like he was. This is nothing to do with what Florida's I finally talked the writer. So, what did you do here? He said Yeah. No, it's not Freud. It's my father. My father says as I understand me. But by that time was too late so I was playing I was felling was riding. Two horses I'm attain is. So nice image. Also hearts of the West that that was fun of. Another another good little film. We were talking about how we had Walter Matthau Son Charley and Chris Lemmon Jack Lemmon son here last week, and we're talking about a lot of these wonderful little movies. Especially in the seventies. That wouldn't really be made today. They wouldn't get the releases. Movies like hearts of the West's movies like Simon, maybe even the in laws. A tiny movie that cost nothing one of the best science fiction films. I've ever seen yeah yeah. It's. Borderline genius. It's on what the Hell's the name of an atom. What's? Your bedroom. I! Nine something of night. Of. A vast of night. It's a strange titled. Of night it's absolutely brilliant. Looks With films that never would have gotten made. It's like you wonder how I don't think Pacino Deniro Jack Nicholson Dustin Hoffman with the films they made. Would job have a courier now? We were talking about movies like the less detail and. Kramer versus Kramer and and and the and these kind of films Serpico after noon Dog Day afternoons. A great example films that would fight not would would would may be character-driven stories that would end up on television now as opposed to getting, agree with that. Yeah very much, so and those those films were so they were so informative for me, so so formative and Remember. What was that Al Pacino Gene Hackman movie scarecrow yes crow Jerry Schatzberg. And again probably something that would have been. had been made on cable now and somewhere. But, you're directing a lot of this kind of television now. You're working on these very good. These quality shows. Actor driven shows like succession and masters of sex, and to and to certain degree Fargo certainly sons. And and don't forget what he did with With get shorty, one and get shorty is another good example. Yeah, I've been I've been very lucky. on some of the material I've gotten to work on the past ten years. It's a gun to collaborate with some of the the best television makers out there now and it's it's been you think we're experiencing a renaissance and television I think it's been. It seems we seems we are. It's been going on for some time and. It's been one of the few plusses of everybody being cooped up as much as they have I think a lot of stuff that had flown under the radar for large audiences is now getting a second chance to be seen because there's there's so little original programming being made now that we're going back and looking at some of the great work that's been done over the past few years. There's let's put Kaminsky method in that in that group to another another character driven very smart show very much so and Allen you said unlike so many actors you like working with Kids Yeah I love working with kids well. My my train is improvisation and I, when I. See a kid who's. Guys. Glassy 'cause he's he's. They're focused on. The lines has been learning. I do things the trip them up. Change something. He's got a force of self back into the moment of what's going on. I'm Watson while you work with a kid who is extraordinarily like I did with. In in little. Miss Sunshine working with Gil was amazing. It's like I was working with an eight year. Old Kid who who behave if she had fifth years of experience behind her, she was extraordinary. Incredibly alive and President Fund. Yeah I love working with kids dogs. I have a hard time. I. Heard you like touching other actors and that that's one of the things you got going with Michael Douglas he didn't mind you touching. Yeah, he's very very easy to work with his incredibly. Flexible in easy to deal with both of you. In do you have a habit in the middle of or performance? You're saying boy I. Just don't know what I'm doing here. Ohio. If I make it to the middle of the performance. Well! I? Had done on stage much more than the film. I don't have that very much, but the onstage used to get that a lot. I was reading that when you were in. Enter laughing. You would get bored by doing the same thing every night, so you would. You would start standing in different places and. Would occasionally throw the other actors off well again. Keeps Life Noyon and not feeling like it was road after four five six months, which doesn't do the actor any good producer. I tried just doing a different piece of blocking in order to just. Get a fresh perspective on a look or something, and the actors will look where I was supposed to be instead of where. I was going to ask that to tell the story about the tell the story about the guy that came backstage after. You've been doing the show for about a year. Long I was in was the plane which was never on stage Concert done it for about eight months. A guy comes back. And you'd never missed a performance and never missed it before it's the guy comes running back stages off Iverson's Eiser. He's missed Oregon I said. Can I tell you? This is one of the greatest performances I've ever seen onstage. He says in between you and me. You're much better than the guy who usually plays the board. Out. There was fifty years ago and I still don't know what I should have. Come out of you! Did plays you did I hate hamlet. You did Brooklyn boy. Did you get bored? Did you get the experience the same thing? No doing the same I I didn't. I mean first of all I. I. I've done a fair amount of theater, but I've never been in production that ran so long that there was ample opportunity to. and second of all the show in which I made my Broadway debut. Hamlet and speaking of seven percent solution it starred Nicol Williamson who who was responsible for getting drunk and attacking another actor on stage about a month into our run. We made the front page of the Post the with blazing headline that said you know Broadway sword play turns real. Actor storms offstage after co-star wax him in but and that was Nicol Williamson and Evan Handler and the insanity that went into that production kept it from ever been boring it. Either for dear life every night. Can I can I tell the story? A little. At around Adam calls me, he was out of town. I say hi how you doing. He's all dead in his play. That's it's Hudson stinking. The players terrible. Please help me. We could come up and look at it. We're. We're having tryouts Outta town. Would you please come up and look at it and I said Sure I. Put on my dad have which I would love doing. And I drove up to where they were having tryouts, and I sat through this performance they go. I can fix him all. I'll give him some suggestions. That'll straighten everything out, and I watched a brilliant brilliant perfect performance in starkly funny play. And I had no nothing to offer whatsoever I, said except the tell the shut up and just do what he's doing and he got a Tony Nomination from Weill. I saw that aspect of Dad just flying out the window little. Houses! It's bittersweet at away. Tell tell us about Groucho Gilbert will appreciate this. Tell us about groucho showing up in the theater and a second like we did a thing. We did a one of our acces. Khrushchev candidate debate when we take suggestions from the audience and I played. Khrushchev's seven darn played my interpreter. Andrew Duncan Played Kennedy and Zohra lampert played Mrs Kennedy and we'd feel questions from the audience and I would answer fake Russian and. My job was very easy. Seven died would make up things to say so. We're we're. We're up. We're doing. The. Scene. Groucho comes one night. We're all wildly excited nervous. He puts his hand up and I wore like. Don't ask me why, but I board like New York cab drivers had as crews. And tell me why don't ask me one. And raises in. He says Mr Gross yet. I said. Where'd you get that? At Governance Seven joining slap seven answers and. Goes on his hand goes up again. He says Whoa. How much would it have cost me? I answered seven translates. Go hand goes up twenty Goddamn Tom. It's always brush. Everything's about the hat that's wouldn't. What sizes there have like that? Tweet or a Gab risk. It was the only time in the history of second city that the all of us had a run which ran off stage quit. In a state of abject hysteria. And he? Stage it was so complimentary in Sweden more than we were so grateful to see him, he's the he was the father improvisations in this country after all his brothers and. A here's the come and see me at openings. And then invited me his home and we got. We got pretty friendly. I was wondering. I Love Them. WHO's lovely guy. What what about the phone call? You got one night from Marlon Brando. Story. I can sitting in. Beverly Hills Hotel Hotel I was staying there for some reason some bub. Listen listening on movies. And I go destroy commitments sitting in the dining. Would in for you. Go over the phone to Mr. Says? Mr Mom and brandon like to speak to you if you have A. So? He says. Do you have time at a half now, a said. Yeah, it's a half hour later. Phone rings Ms. Rock into phone. Call for get on. Hello Allan Hi Susan. It's Marling. I'd never met him I didn't know he knew I was alive. I said. I was. In calm I felt like I. Do some of them strange? How are you says wall in all things considered? I think I'm building pretty well. I said wow, that's a lot of things to consider, and he says what. I was in trouble. Considering all things that's for the take a week. And he invited me to his home to this day. I don't really know why. We spent six hours together talking and. He. I'm not sure I. my suspicion was. He wanted to pump the about about Birdman Birdman because. That was the reason he was so kind of left hand and devious that he never came out as did. But what was really the most interesting thing about the evening? And there was that he always decried acting. Say anybody could do a nobody's knowing. Nothing? He spent the entire evening six hours acting whenever he was talking telling his story, he'd be playing all the characters who? Everybody in the entire evening, while acting constantly, so that was really fascinating. Adam, as we wind down, tell us about working for the COEN brothers in in a serious man, and then interpreting the Coen brothers by the you've obviously you realize long fan, and then getting direct Fargo It was a dream come true. Your first shot by the way has a Coen brothers joke in it. You know what I'm referring to I seen of the first episode of the Castle. Remind remind me what. Scribbled on the wall senior. Greece? Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an inside. Joke, it was a dream come true. I had been a huge fan of theirs from their first film on and was super excited at the idea of getting to work with them I also knew was a situation that was fraught with the potential for disillusionment, because they were such heroes of mine, but. It more than lived up to any expectations. They were the most Supportive specific. Intelligent and inclusive directors I think I've ever worked for and the way they ran that. Hold the way their organization is run the way they include people. They built rehearsals into the film so that we all at the start of it got worse fitting and put a great deal of time in rehearsing for days, so by the time we went home and then came back to do our work. We we felt like part of a company at that point, so it automatically makes you feel more connected to everybody, and and that carried through to everything. They did with the film after we had shot it their editing sense and their ability to protect anything good. Good that happened in the course of filming a scene, it somehow all ended up on screen. You find yourself in circumstances where if a small portion of what he felt really good about ends up. Somehow apart of things things, it's a win, and in their case they just were able to always curate and take care of anything any happy accident. Any moment that was special and are are so brilliant in their editing choices that they were able to make use of all of it, so they're just. They're just consummate filmmakers and lovely people, and so you want. You wanted to buy if you wanted an opportunity to play. Absolutely yeah with with with Fargo. And Fargo had already established itself as an incredible Adaptation or launch launching point for that data material. Because I came on and worked in the second season of it, so I'd already had the benefit of seeing what they did with the first and was blown. Cohen Bertha seemed like they like chartering the characters in movies. Yeah well, I think I think they view their own lives as having some torture in and and they've put into everything they've done. I, told you on when I was texting you the other night that the episode. Of the to you directed. Pal Jerome is great, too. But the next to last episode of season, two gasoil and I was snooping around online and Fargo fans. LOT OF FARGO FANS consider that to be the best episode that's that's a huge compliment to here, yeah! And it's it's I I again I. Don't know anything about directing, but I was talking to you on the phone about the staging of that that that shootout that scene in the in the motor. which is just fantastic? That was a that was a nail biter prepping for that figuring out the logistics of what was going to have to go into it because we're shooting it. Over multiple days, there were huge action sequences that had to be shot, not only. From within the action but in. Two concentric circles outside of the action everything had to be synchronized. We were shooting on location and on stages, and it all had to be. Cut Together in a way that made it feel like one event. And it it obviously turned out well enough to make an impression people so. We will return to Gilbert Godfrey JR amazing colossal podcast after this. Guy's Radio Jason here in whether you're working from home or working on your fitness. You want what you're listening to to be what you're listening to know. We don't want to catch glimpses and a little sticky bits. Bits bits of what your kids will listen to anyone else. Everyone needs a great pair of wireless ear buds, but before you drop dropping in hundreds of bucks on a pair, you need to check out the wireless ear buds from Ray con their amazing. I got my recon. You're buzzed. Out, everything recognized abroad star for about a half price of the other ones, premium wireless ear buds on the market, and they sound just as amazing as the top audio brands. 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I don't have a question, but I have to thank Allan forgiving me a beautiful family memory. My parents laughing like crazy at the movie. The Russians are coming. The Russians are coming. Allen's accent was perfect because it sounded exactly like my grandparents trying to speak English US nece. If! I quit the the business right. There would've been fine because I I, the experience of doing that movie was absolutely extraordinary in every in every conceivable way Norman Jewison created an atmosphere on the set. I've hardly ever seen since it was. We were all there for the same. Everybody in the cast was absolutely a communal project involved the entire town in the in the making of the film. The Dale is shown at the local theatre. The entire town of the deal is every night. I mean it was kind of open loving. Conscious experiences you feel it in the film. You feel that energy I think so yeah. And you? and. Norman is still with US Halle is and you thought it was important to make your character really a good like a likable character. Yeah I mean we we were. We were scared when we made that. We scared with your action was going to be. It was the time. There was a time when Russia was considered. There were considered not just bad people, but demons from L. and. We thought we were GONNA. Get picketed. We had no idea what was going to happen the whole country when the movie came out, breathe a sigh of relief. Everybody said all thank God. Finally somebody come came out and have the guts to say that they're just people just like goes the maybe problems with the government, but underneath that it's also people trying to survive. And it changed to assert the only fill mug ever done that. I felt like had some kind of social. Action as a result of or change of heart. was enormously proud to begin. Beginning does what I always wanted to be connected with and film anywhere and have that be. My first film was just a enormously moving for me. Indirectly Otsuki last enough he had made to, he offered the part that made too much money that year so turned down so. Long. I the default. One more one more comment for you Adam Marshall Arm tour of your performance and the Chicago hope episode called the parent rap. And season to your characters conflicted anger and grief over the death of his father is is is a script in episode and a performance that I still. Touch to hear that thing all the great work. You didn't Chicago hope and when I think of Chicago. Hope I think of you singing. Luckily, I'm sorry to hear that. and. The saved I think it's wonderful episode but I. I am confronted every time I watch it with how much I am not a musical star by. Kanye, but your musician in your heart, you decision, and you can feel it every Laura your mouth, and not only that to have seen him. Do It on Broadway, which I did was just great. He was great guys and Dolls on Broadway Gentlemen. This is my father who is very proud of me. My Gosh I. I You know there is one other nice thing in the book to Allen there lot of lovely things in the book, but it opens with that great story of you and Madeline Kahn was great story. And and do you want you want to share that? Because I think it winds up being the theme of the book, and an in part kind of a theme of your journey very much, so yeah Yeah, would you want me to tell that story? Yeah zubi movie with Madeline Kahn once and. She was a delight and hard very hard, working in a lovely person and. We between shots. She and I were sitting on the. Somewhere, we're in. A hillside in Westchester. County and just chewing on grass and I I finally realized how good she was so many things and I ask what was what was your initial impulse was the first thing you you wanted to be? She thought about. She says I'm really no I said what was singing. Was that the first thing you thought about being a singer? She's now actress, not really she's a comedian. No I what was the first first thing you thought. She says well I used to listen to a lot of music. She said, and and that's what I wanted to be and I said what she said I. I wanted to be the music. And it was like being hit in the head with a two by four and I realized that that's. All artists want to be. They don't WanNa, do it. They want you really WanNa be it and the next. Best thing is to doing it. It. Gave me something to reflect on for a long time Safe like this story of of my daughter Molly. When she was about six years old, she was watching Olympic skating on on television. And her mom said you're enjoying this honey honey. And she says yes. She says I I I. I WANNA do this. I'm GonNa do this and her mom said. Uh. You WanNa you WANNA. Do that some day like to. You'd like to start doing that. The when when you grow up and she says no I can do it now. All I gotTA. Do is learn how to skate. She knew she had dinner. Event was already living in her. Before we let you guys get Outta here. because. We've kept you long enough. Adam at least tell the story of how you became Chuck McCann's unofficial. Well it hearkens back to one of the movies I mention of Dad's a the hardest lonely hunter and I was very young when the film was being made I think I was no older than about nine or ten, and they were in early pre-production for the film, and Dad was getting ready to do it and very excited about this this project, and came back one a disappointed about the fact that a major character in the film of had to be recast, and they couldn't find the right person for the role, and they were gonNA. Probably delay production for an indefinite amount of time. Time while they figured out how to find that person, and I had the presence of mind at that age to ask what the what the role was. What the character wasn't dad described it to me, and there was a television show on at the time. A kids show in the mornings in new. York. That I had been watching regularly and I brought up the name of the man who who is chuck. McCann because he sounded like someone could play the character dad described. Dad watched the show as I recall was the show and called the producers as excited to bring him in to at least be interviewed for the role. which they did and subsequently Chuck McCann The the role of. I'd forget the characters name, but. Antonoff Dad's The the friend. Learning impaired man. The Dad was sort of The the mentor to and and Chuck would always introduced me as his agent 'cause he he had been made privy to the story. Lovely man love story that you had those instincts at that age Yeah I. Guess that was already the beginnings of. A desire to be able to have a word casting. We had chuck on here when we first started this show back in twenty fourteen. Yes, we. Made a lot of people happy made a lot of show Allen. Do you think this going to be a bad medicine to? Release, the first one. I. Before I forget to say. Paul Sand on the phone last night. He said. He said you know we tell Allen we were kids. We had children who worked together with violence bowl and I I think I was twelve. Maybe thirteen. And then we didn't see each other again. A twenty. Some odd years, yeah. Guy! I WANNA. Talk about How the the Arkansas are becoming dynasty? We becoming dinosaurs. Not Dinosaurs. We had Danny Houston here couple of months ago and that that's that's an acting dynasty and I. Think the Arkansas are becoming or have become an acting dynasty. Your your other two sons are actors. Matthews and criminal minds and and and bowling NCIS and Anthony's on succession in the Americans and It's a IT'S NOT GONNA Work without a more than anybody else, but I with Tony. I were spent a year on stage with them in a play. And I worked all through the kids. Multiple roles we have never in my memory had one moment of issue, and either whether we're acting the other or directing them or Adam directing me that I report one second one seven, Asian You say that now. How old are your children older than me? No. I have fifteen year old son. Emmett and my daughter is. She probably does want me telling her age, but she's she's. She's married, are they? Are they showing inclinations to to to be performance? Gilbert I Gilbert your son at this point. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion. That that Max is going to. Town. They'd one in my family. My my daughter Molly is a performer she she's done. Improv comedy, both here and in Seattle of they. They had a Improv group Called Blood Squad that became sort of a fixture up in the Seattle area. And, she's now working as a producer in Marta Kauffman Company. She's on grace and Franky, and is developing new material with Marta and my son Emmett is he's. He's a reformer in that. He's a bass player. He's been playing bass with a group that. has actually already played like the whisky, and and and they're really talented group of kids who've been playing since they were about nine and. He's just now starting to express some interest in acting yeah. He I think he could end up. At least you know having that in his arsenal. who was something you wanted like i? said it's becoming a dynasty. Yes Gil well. What else do you have man? I can't resist any longer allen. Go to lunch. Will you go to lunch I'm trying to do a job here. We'll you go to. To isn't that what Kevin Spacey says to me? Yes was I supposed to not know that is. No! I just I. Just that was one of those like so many great seeds. War. What was it like being with the cash like that? I mean yourself included of course. It was wonderful the mazing experience. It was fun it. Is Like Fun of brain. Surgery is fun. Doing Mamat is like is like doing brain surgery. You can't you have to do every pause? You have to do every fun for you have to do every every a stutter. It's all red in, so if you miss a thing, you got to start over from the beginning if I miss A. And if I only do one of those, then you gotta do the scene over again, so we rehearsed for a month, and then when they were shooting the scenes, most of my stuff was with Ed Harris, so I would run to a dressing room, and we run and run and run CNN. Run and run and run and run until we shot those, so it was a sense of doing something really good and really well, but it wasn't finally was fun afterwards when it was over. But it was a hell of a movie. I think it's really really. Moving I think it's the best adoration of of Mount on film it's. Great piece. Gilbert I'd like to see you do Glengarry Glen Ross. You'd be. IPAD, he'd be good. We asked a lot of actors that we've had on this show this question, I'm GonNa. We'll wrap it with you. Guys and we'll ask you know Gilbert's career. You've seen Gilbert a all these years. Do you guys in your professional opinion that? Gilbert could play a serious role I have no doubt I have hardly ever seen. Somebody was great. Accommodate couldn't do something serious. I don't see why not have known problem imagining. How about that? Gil, thank you both Yeah Adam didn't even. Know I think I think it would be actually a great opportunity for whoever cast you in the series role. I would joke at Richard the third immediately. Back. I WanNa add this also. Not only. Do I think it should be serious but I think you should think about playing a legless character. I'm serious. I would like to see you. Do because I felt like. It's been missing job. I'm not joking. I'd like to see the death of a salesman why? I'm dead serious. Wow would be better a series. The lead the. Salesman last I think it's always been cast from Gilbert. The Bar has been raised by Alan Arkin who wants to see you do Arthur Miller. Oh, my God I think I think you'd be I. Think would be a world. Class will illumine. Wow, yeah, well I don't know what to say at this point. Let's. Let's well aren't let's do. This is A. Yes or no? Adam you WANNA. Take us out with more joe my God. A talk to dad for a second I'll try to think of. One. Or more. Yeah, yes, of course. A lady comes to meet her husband for dinner and she's looking to lash. He says you okay. She says. Charlie I've got to talk to. What is it? I have a confession and there's something I've been wanting to tell you. For longtime never had the courage to say that made up my mind today I gotTA. Tell so, what is it dear I'm of? You want to leave me. She a no, no nothing like that. She's thank. God is listening to anything. You WanNa. Tell me. She's okay here it goes. She's Charlie I. Don't want children because I knew I. Know You thought I did and I may have misled you but I. do not want children. He says Oh my God. She's thank you for being so forthright, honest and open about it. She says dear says I've been feeling the same way for a long long time that I never had the courage to tell you. She says you feel the same way she says yes, I do. She says okay. Let's tell them as soon as we get home. I. I love it. All K-. Know Adams, Adams Google joke. How can You gotta finish with multiple jokes. doctor comes into a patient's room and says. We got your test results back and I've never seen anything like this, but you have virtually every communicable disease known demand. You're like a one person play. The guy goes well. That's terrible, doc. What am I going to do? Doctor says well. The the first thing we're going to do is put on a special diet from now on I don't WanNa. Have you eating anything other than a Swedish pancakes, fruit, leather, and flounder, and the guy goes Swedish pancakes, fruit, leather and flounder. What is that like beef up my immune system and the Doctor Says No. That's going to be about all. We can slide under the door an. Excellent? Excellently Change Been Gilbert Godfrey Amazing Colossal podcasts with my co host Frank Santo Padre and we've been talking to the extremely talented father and son team of annum and Alan. Arkin. And happy. Father's Day I wanNA, thank a couple of people and I WANNA. Thank style Lascher and Marsha McManus. Your representation who are lovely ladies and indulged us and we're when made this happen and our friend Gino Salomon and of course, the Great John Murray. So thank you, gentlemen. Our listeners will love. This was a treat. Nice to spend some time with your dad. Oh. Maybe it'll happen again. Someday Gilbert Frank thanks so much of course and the next time. Will you tell us how you while you made while you may John Renoir cry or just told them the. What is work meant to me and I went on and on and he started crying I. Talking to. John was nice to meet you and Tara thank you. Thank you guys? I like you. Make me. I met someone like before. But only wants to. Wants. Not Very recently. 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But i don't i don't have the file you'll have shows over Yeah i think so just depends on how long it takes this guy to send me an email where everything's in hector's hands now. Can you tell hector know. We're doing the show right now is here or knows you're not care. He's working on sunday to me right now. Okay what's going on Well obama's gonna book coming out. Data used you read. The the atlantic excerpt narrowed the. Oh yes read the The newest thing. I've seen so far is that he cops to Having kept smoking throughout his presidency was no surprise right. No no one knew everyone knew chomping on nicotine seen people suggesting that it was an elaborate conspiracy to cover up his smoking. Read the media scam. I read the new york times review on it. Which was just i mean i. I would love for somebody to write that something like that. All right i mean you know. Barack obama a promised land. Barack obama barack obama is his finer writer as they come is not merely that the book avoid being congress is might be expected even forgiven of a hefty memoir. But that is nearly always pleasurable. Read sentence by sentence the pros gorgeous and places the detailed granular in vivid from southeast asia to forgotten school in south carolina. He evokes a sense of place with a light but sure hand. This is the first of two volumes and it starts early in his life. You go it's gonna be great is this book is going to sell hundreds of thousands of copies and nobody's gonna generate it just like one of his books. I think was dreams of my father or something like that he. He says on page thirty eight of that book that he ate dog when he was in indonesia and then when people were discovered that like during one of his campaigns it was brand new breaking news no right in his book all along the his reluctance to glory and emmy achievement has a particular texture the modesty of the brilliant american liberal which is not much false as familiar like much practice pose. It brings her to say in response. Looked take some credit already. The rare moment he does take credit. Argument is recovery. Act me the american financial system bounce back faster nation's history of the similar substantial shock total horsh it as a distant echo for being so unusual. His self-assessment is harsh even about this. First starring of social awareness teenage years. He passes an adult judgment on his navel-gazing politics labor it in earnest and humourless but of course it was always is at that age. It's just it's unbelievable again as you pointed out probably written by someone before they even got a copy of the book. What the review ya. Oh gabby you. I mean yeah and it's just looking for a with obama though. I think he probably wrote it himself. Yeah i think so. He's had some Some writers helping him or you know in a might have hired an editor but yeah no question like trump's at trump's post-presidency book guaranteed will not be written by a no chance. His loving friendship with michelle sparkles solidarity. I mean i. I mean i don't know i probably but i mean it's just you know the stuff like this is just. It's profitable to be a liberal. I guess no one's ever gonna write a bad word about this except breitbart or the daily caller something looking for the big finale. This thing is massive review by the way thousands. Still scroll through. yeah. I mean during obama's presidency. I would say accusing the my friend. You're doing the bomb ticket. damn stand. She goes after he does Yes i mean. I'm obviously going to read it. Good luck turtle like you said. Sell three million copies. Nobody will read it to volumes volumes. You know it's two volumes is It's convenient for when you want to charge twice as much for it's definitely a good move any updates ending new. What's going on while we're up to ten thousand dead here in massachusetts. I know it's it's weird. I'm wondering today though. I mean it was like a huge no not. The deaths haven't spiked like they were earlier spring The caseload has gone up. We're like at one tenth of the number of hospitalizations we were at. This is what happens. This brand yeah. It's almost like there was some kind of event on the third of the fourth that might have cases probably. Shouldn't you know point fingers have been in the early spread news yet from western mashes weekend. I haven't heard of any now. We escaped soko. You tickle in your lungs. I feel pretty good. I feel fine the ran to that. No one i feel good i. I can't decide whether i actually have a tickle in my lungs and feel like coughing or if it's all in my head it's probably on your head. Yeah you sound fine. Give a temperature. No no. you're fine you're fine. You're fine you know when you have the flu. But that hasn't stopped a full lockdown coming back and chicago that wonderful uh-huh lori lightfoot. Yeah she's doing a thirty day. Stay at home advisory. Who's going to do that. I mean people that do for a living. So i wanna know Receive government checks. Guess might might not even think For a lot of people Unemployment is about to expire. Is that right. yeah so. I think so. Yeah the magin. So yeah that's true. What else can we have any sounding. Anything funnier now Yeah got some of those The discovery policy that. That's what i wanted you to. Yeah good so so. I also have the. I don't know if you saw the video. That was going around of alex. Trebek's outtakes no. I don't think he he had to shoot some promos and it's like alex trebek's swearing okay. I don't know if you'd be interested in play quick. I'm sure it's dumb guy died so keep watching jeopardy twenty four hours a day and call this number it dumps son of a bitch. You don't watch at twenty four hours a day. There's a daily cash prize of one thousand dollars and fuck no shit call now and play phone. She drank the poison that captain hook intended for peter pan tinker about fuck. Is this. listen. This is just outtakes fucking cares about this. So so who did these pick these. This is Discover podcasts. So it's it's basically it's not really group. I think it's just it's just some guy who started a website to draw publicity to podcasts. So he picked the best podcast of the year so people listeners podcast listeners submitted ideas to him and then he got over thirty thousand votes. Okay so what did he. What categories we have here So there's overall podcast sports comedy. 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I can play to. What is it about It's supposed to be about like like women's sex lives sex sexual health. I don't know you have no idea what it's about. No okay wait a minute wait answering then because it's it's in. The category best friend is diagnosed with stage. Four breast cancer bullets. He leaves happy marriage and embarked on a series of sexual ventures. Feel when you go well then you get. What would you suggest sex. In women's health. It was brought enough and big enough to actually be correct. Okay so you listen any this pick. Random sound no this. This is sound that. I've actually had for a while back when we were getting ready to go to war with wondering oh all right go ahead. Yeah a little over a month ago. I finished recording a podcast about my friend molly and was so blown away by the messages that i got from you your podcast dine for sex. It and inspired me so much. You're my favorite voice to listen to an last ever want us to encourage people. Yes yes praise. Only on the message that we do have a phone. Line people in messages to Yes we do we do. We number only look it up. Put together a little happy people. Leaving unhappy marriages are fucking. I'm good for them. But i mean i give these people stuff every single day. We we got one message. One phone message. We get a few now none none like that. I can play one that we've done fine. I'm sure it's going to it's come back. Oh you inspired me. It's it's probably like a chinese telemarketers. Well let me hear it s coaching. Those are the kind of messages we get people. I guess that one people can leave messages at eight. Five seven two six four one two eight four two right now right now. I want some right by the. I want some loving messages. What's the number is eight five seven eight two five seven two six four two six four one two eight four one two eight four. I want you know even spire me. You saved my life like like the funeral home owner. The guy was crying. What said you hear any of that. Yeah he said that Very springs i kids. They sit around and cry. Because i've bought them together. This guy who know coronavirus profiteer but that's a whole different false. It's a very stable industry. That he sent people are always gonna die. I guess you feel comfortable. you know. Essentially slave trading right within a satellite that jailbirds let months months it. Cbs just waiting to be plucked. Or i in some factory somewhere then. Cbs and then he's home. Owner cruelly gives them away with the money so a bunch of veterans can fucking drinking. They have barbecues ride motorcycles. You don't think that they'll bear supports the vets. I. jackets great. I love the jacket. The promising great. I think they should give me a check for ten grand back to me. In addition to what we took off the top. Yes yes ten thousand dollars to me in cash. What are they just gave you like a voucher. Good for ten thousand dollars worth of meals at the florence. Vfw and i never wanted to go again. And why did you agree to go back there in july shamet back there july ten thousand dollars cold cash and a suitcase open and cash. I mean that's basically your minimum appearance. Yeah no shit did away from the vfw. Message that number No i'm saying any you know any of these people. listen everything. no that are only message. We've gone in the life of the phone number No remember in the beginning like the first couple of weeks. I think we got messages from people. We've got one tonight here. thank you bye. Cash dis This is not real. There's some saying see people so insincere just ridiculous. we've to tweet it out. I mean just it's good. Go go ahead get back to the dying for sex or this next podcast is. This is called the low post. It's by zach lowe. I know it's fucking drip basketball drip drip fucking drip. There's fucking couldn't possibly be. You know it can be dripping anymore than zach. Lowe drips audible. He's a runner up on the list. Apparently of a more interesting sports podcasts. Low we'll get there. I mean steve's fucking asshole have less passenger rip within this fucking guy this drip drip who ever lived his zach. Drip that's his name. Zach drip go ahead. You doing exact. How're you how am i. Is that a load. How how am i. Let's put it this way. Someone texted me this morning. about yoenis. toco in the likelihood he would sign the supermax some such thing and the text like what do you think gee a is going to do like capital g capital and i was like ge while you know it's gonna be a close race. It's going to come down to the wire you know. I just think it's just a fucking on. What the fuck is this when we listen to that. I'm sure a million downloads. I just wanted to hooligans who we know who do we know. Likes the nba kalinic. Here's no. I'm just saying like a regular person. Listen to that maybe kingpin pete media basle. Brigham hurson fucking idiot. Might be a basketball guy. I don't know. I don't know anybody who would listen to that. That's awful are more that keep playing it. Use the word escrow so much in my entire frigging life at all indications are they did their representatives who after each of them consult with their teams will vote. Yes there will. Not as i understand it of vote of the full player body and if that happens they don't even try obviously things why. Why don't you shut the fuck up. Why do i even try. I think because you're driven to have the best podcast. We'll give four nothing shit one message and you know a nice salary that's it. Oh get some His message as long. that's great. leave a message. I'll be kill your fucking family. What what the hell cheese. that's it. i'm grateful group of conce seriously. Three messages century tweeted it out. Believable this one to they're starting to come in at a faster pace. Now fuck them fuck up. Thank you kirk for replacing. Lake with jerry karabelas. That's movie made embarrassing. This is like a big. It's just embarrassed beneath me beneath me to deal with these losers these was shelley. Marsh called turds so they are yes. Turn thursday or turn occurred. She's you wanna keep going with this. We have to be worked up. I mean i would have to think it in the sports category. My friends dan. Pf renominated correct. Yeah i have to think they want. They did not know about the win. A we're the name of katie. No i mean. I mean no one has ever listened to katie nolan. Ever ever ever ever she makes zach lowe. Look like fucking me she. Podcasts called a. it's like. I think it's phrase like a question. Oh yeah sports question mark right. Yeah i see. That's what it is. Look at these nominees. Who would listen to any of these folks. I mean they're gonna take of these pocket. Simmons podcast sucks mother. Crazy wants to news There's one that's Is it was some really really bizarre. Podcasts there's one that's Just all they do is drafts. Remember how we were making fun of that country radio guy that's added. We'll get there in a second. Let me get katie. On below real live people the sports. I read this off of a phone. That's not good. Live a podcast that be ends with a question. Mark the start of the question. I'm katie nolan. She's actually very band high. That's fuck fuck you. She's doing so we're so crazy here. We're so disheveled. Oh god who. That poll is bullshit. Nobody voted for that podcast. Guys got thirty thousand five. I've never spoken to a human being ever. Who's ever mentioned that anything ever to me ever not once. Not one first espy's. I was getting like phone calls. That were like worse. Katie nolan and i was like. I'm going to tell shaving. Thank leg up on the sink. Shaving it with your gown hiked up around your thighs minute. An object in motion will remain in motion. If i start the ball rolling down the hill i gotta keep going so if i shave my legs at two. Pm what am i gonna do. I can't stop. 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He's reacting to the election results tummy just tweeted that me by the way or to the show somebody in this is kind of scary that The girl from The queen's gambit of looks like you. Yeah i saw someone i saw a tweet ed. Do you think it's maybe some the is. Yeah a little bit yes to very attractive. Means that's true good parties of this country. That are quite different now. I'm happy about it. Largely because i think biden wants to bring the country together true. I think he wants to be a transformational. Who is this. What is why you doing this to me. 'cause grass for this in the bubble with andy slaving in the bubble. I mean look this up in the bubble with andy slabbet in this won the contest. This was runner up in best new. Podcast he was the acting administrator or the centers for medicare and medicaid services. You know. I mean there's there's no way there's no way anybody listen to this podcast. There's no way and by the way it's probably what once a week or something. Yeah yeah a lot of these when you go to try and find him. They haven't put up an episode for for looks like one or two week. Yeah twenty seven forty minutes. What does not even work as a work. Sometimes he brings on a guest. He brought on eric topol. Good looking thin and young. Let's get to eric topol. You this interview. You sexually harassing american cardiologists. Hello there people indeed. Everything sounds so shitty. Because they're all out you know doing. I'm over zoom. You're amazing this one runner up for what for what is best new podcast. I don't know what it is about having you today of all days. This is the second all podcast. New has your no. No i guess not. So there's a lot of three set about but last year news this morning out of pfizer. And why why wasn't this. Brought to the attention of the fans. I mean if there were thirty thousand votes cassie with a bottle. We should have won. the lgbtq podcast category. We should one created by a woman category. We should have won the a person of color category best on english podcast s news podcast sports park s true crime podcast interview style. Podcast history comedy kids and family society and culture. I mean i'm gonna take a picture category. So this one's ask rana not for is in a comedy podcast. This is one of the one of the runner up. Okay mogambo mahmoud laugh. I could see. I could use a laugh. She has dan savage. You know that. Dan savage dance. I was just funny many questions about people with family members who have differing views from on. Yes and it's not gonna be an e every so many hosts on this show who also deal we we. It's not gonna be an easy transition period. What to watch the rightly yes one hundred percent and we're going to let the right one in. That's the name of his podcast. This is ask rana. Ask rana really rona. Yeah i c. R. o. An na ask rana with rana okay yes weekly every tuesday. They go and this was which one was this. What categories is comedy yes. What was the winner of this category. The winner of this category was actually all fantasy. Every jesus christ go ahead steve. We let the right one fantasy. Oh you wanted to hear fucking ron anymore. I don another brand new episode of all fantasy. Everything is going to cook down nice. That's gonna cook down nice once you get it all in the pan. It's gonna cook down nice on a couple of weeks ago. Katie one really. Yeah so like this. Last one famous people who buy one name fantasy draft ready to do it but i pick how many jer let's get let's get let's incorporates them in the fans in. Here's well okay. can we get. Can we get the party line going. No yes okay. So four people. I'm saying to people. In addition to us yes okay so get to people. In addition to us and we're do the fantasy draft we can reach out to Some of the random. Okay fans i have saved on my phone and i wanna send. This could submit this for next year so it one second. So okay. So call call somebody else now. 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I like four better. We can do we so difficult to somebody on the phone. Chrissakes can people can suck fucking melvin said was producing. No seems never now. We did not unbelievable disgrace. Hello hold on all right ready you ready ago. Yeah all right Steve you want the first pick. Okay so i'll take the second. No i'll take the third pick. You have the second pick. Okay we're doing because this one this one a podcast award. I win podcast awards this show. There's only fantasy drafts like different things. So there's now the last one he the celebrities with first names only or one name only right around. You either do five okay. The first pick mom coming up. Yes muhammed i yeah. Of course this celebrity He's a pretty well known guy. That's your first pick. Yes it's to fucking army people liberty He's over like sharing madonna. Yeah oklahoma's is way more influential key. Do this with you would suck on. The show had to pick another. Are you going to pick madonna share. How many people did they have. That are willing to kill for them. I mean but that's not the point. What's what what is your qualifications. What are your what are your aims when you go into the fabric in lebanon in some way. He's treated like a celebrity. The woman's for jesus Right now. I think muhammed has more followers but she's more positive probably like more ready to fucking fight. You know muhammad dope statements theme dope drip toll drip. I'm thinking of charlie hebdo bringing please i beg of you whether other awards keep an organized a fantasy draft these fence suck so there's one another podcast that one i'm going to look at what the category was Beware the leopard. You prep on this or no. Yes i did i buy. I've pulled audio tended. From what ten different podcasts. You anything about this. So this is what i actually do not wear. The leopard is there. Ruined the queen's gambit formula. Yeah go ahead. Beware the leopard. Have you ever seen Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. 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I i showed halfway compensate to do it. And then the sports he said look. We've got some games coming up. They meals team. You mean loser in other words angled it. So i can tell what's best recovery podcast one of those or no no. I didn't see that's has any episodes of that yet. I have no idea. Okay neither do i. I have no good luck. I have no idea wh one best. Lgbtq podcast. i don't think i've pulled if you're free to pull that one. Yeah well stop so mature. What else anything else you know. Yeah i mean we've got some other stuff we've got the beach too wet. What beach to wet the ivy league is cancelled. It's winter sports season by the way. Just just happened. Oh yes sports. I think all the governors in new england have gotten together and our It pretty much everything. Do you think that's okay. Beach beach to sandy water to watch to sandy. This is this is gonna hit a little close to home for us. A barstool because this podcast is all about Reading one-star reviews. Oh really wait a minute. It's intellectually wait a minute. Who ripped off who. I don't know maybe always podcast. Good i have no idea. They sound awful but you know why am i. What am i doing good time. Why am i giving them shit. I called this business hoping to purchase services. The person that answered phone was vague. In monosyl- i can't. I can't do it. Your problems not with the podcast. Creators with a few exceptions the ass kissing the no the The guys who are purporting to be like an industry publication wasting never win these things. No you think you. You're you've got the double team. Nobody norman and marcel sports. Nobody know buddy. What's the what's the guy's name. see the pediatrician. What's his name. The heart surgeon. Who's the fucking guy eric topol. Nobody would walk point eight miles to go see his show strong. Nobody imagined eric topol doing the drive in movie theater shows. What's he doing a wilbur. I don't think he's. I would be willing to buy rent the will. But how much of the wilbur costs for toronto twelve grand. I think that's what it was grant. I'll pay the twelve grand. And put eric topol on sale. It sells the american cardiology. So yes we'll do in twenty twenty two but that would not sell three tickets not three. Where am i awards. Why have i never wanted podcasting award. I think the outrage because they send the rats were the rest if they'd known about the by now open it. Find out give me. Some awards have accused city. Some shit hole city northern maine. Oh come on you fuck wide. Vfw on western mass. That's it you can't rundown matter wasco and fucking fucking derek's fucking drive in theater and soko. What's his name matt mack. I have my life that house who went. Do you might get drunk together. Talked about warm. It was outside jamie. it's my life. We have more messages of praise for you. I love motto oscar. I love florence. There's just aggravate me the awards where the awards So i think the iheartradio awards probably more. Oh i'm sure. I'm sure i'll win. Those noticed there's pontiac fainter I don't think so there should be one now. Should can look for into the good put in like you know. Whoever i fucking mark marian conan o'brien i guess they do podcasting casting hall of fame. Yes there's an academy of podcasters who's in it not me. I don't think that i would no. I think i would know kenda keith. And the girl. Who are these fucking people dave jackson. He's terrific. But i'm just saying i mean father roderick von hogan even though to say we ought to say pamela. She's good but i'm just you know who are these people scott johnson yet. Some saying i know many of these people are fine. No sick a few phone calls. Get out of here. I'm so angry. i'm so i saw under appreciated. It's ridiculous the shit we do this. You're working on now at the same time. Nobody cares people. Just bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch no hall of fame academy nothing might actually win some awards for this one for what the project the secret project to work. I know that's why i'm doing that with an attitude like that forecasts while i'm doing it and the other reason to do it fame money. Great or could they come out for people of the me winning. Who think so. You know what i'm saying. Really swish that. God it to the number idiots calls so we didn't go home. Watch the golf again. Takeaways from the first master's show up steve just tweets takeaways takeaways. Do you have I actually really liked the The website the website website is the phenomenon snap of all time. Basically they watch on tv. I just watch it on the apple day. there's no need to. i like how i like. How you could basically go like hit by hit by you can just go look moshe. I shot whatever. Well whatever i take it seriously. Sort of fifth member foreplay. Unofficially steven hyden. The you know the same thing. No respect invites me in their stuff. You know like a fucking pariah. Why in fairness you've never invited rigs on here. Have you sure have sure have. We can call right now. All right i to talk to all right. Tweeted them tweeted them. Why is up already. Yes wa hold on. Why is every. I don't mean to be every song sound the same from that church. I probably have a very limited musical collection sites if they're if they're hymns and it's just Jesus music it's i mean it's all going to sound the same right hymns days now. Okay okay thank you how much i think they're in portuguese too. So that might be part of it. All sounded the same worst food in the world. You only portuguese food worst food in the world when the what what sour portuguese food. Come over the rhine right. Now ask him when he fucking lying. No i just wanted to know what you had. That was bad portuguese food. Every portuguese food is bad. You ain't trouble for me by the portuguese. 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No that's right and we drove that far because this girl who thinks she's a princess she thinks she's a disney princess. I fucking hate this person. Remember remember they ruin mom and dad's house they did a. They never thanked him giving gifts because they did their all their pictures wedding pictures. All the girls were there. Remember map out. The didn't think mom and dad for the number. They did the they did. The wedding shower that golf course and they pay mom and dad shore madine. Yeah i'm that took place in canada all the time. The place in maryland never another. Thank you now. The other kind of people like bring their own dunkin donuts to wouldn't you know what i'm saying like they'd go do something. My parents my parents to do something for them and then trump it just their own coffee okay. You know what. I mean just rude. Just assholes i fucking hate them So we drive there in. I mean the food was so fucking gross. It was disgusting. You didn't make it to a meal like we really made it through the soup. It was like a super it was it was gross. It was disgusting. I y z stopped on the hardy my dinner but i'm just saying portugal portuguese bread is fine but gives was a special chef. Drive a fucking our for. How crazy is that a question for you got it. Fred couples like one or two hundred right now. We kind kinda mood appropriate. But i'd probably be napping the problem. Enjoy your steak and rice. How far drive fifty minutes fifty minutes to a reception. It's not fairly Guests insane reception should be held at the same right there. Saying you know that saint town or something. That's fine ten minutes that's fine. That's like the most people drive and you should probably provide transportation and you're gonna make them drive fifty minutes. I hate them anyway. So go ahead The portuguese food just hate them. They're loaded up. They are loaded up. We'll just blow through these fucking assholes. 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That will say that is a reasonable question. Right steve do we buy it We'll edit it. Yes oh you will all right we yes between with yes. We buy bought it. How did you know that the you that thousand feet from there right now seriously. How did you know that thousands camaro whoever puts his two thousand from fucking halfway down the who owns it who it went. It went pending pending soon as the special project up. So maybe you didn't maybe didn't but i think it'd be a great venue. Did somebody tell you. i'm not taking rackers will not did some fucking tell tom foxy seriously. I don't wanna fucking who did you tell somebody steve antonio nobody told me. I'm not told me. All right. All right now i live right there. I'm okay got you okay okay. You don't trust you. We bought it doing the shows from there from building a studio there. Okay congratulations awesome. See christ but who am. I compile venue i would. We need theater. Looks like an eye spot. 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Oh we're gonna dolan moving to do a fan because this podcast wanna comedy award for best fantasy for best comedy podcast. No do you listen to podcasts. Everyday or no yet nothing. I'm awarded nothing. I give in give. Someone pretends kid we give the guy money right. Yes somebody pretend they're vfw's close now. We go raise money for them. Correct right a city in northern which i love is dying and we go up there and save it right yes i get nothing a these people get so more so this one was fantasy drafts and we did the best last one. They deal with celebrity. First names steve. The first pick and took muhammad muhammad. So i took madonna. So you have the third pick Share okay also the fourth decade snake draft. How god Foxy ready to get mom gets under threat. It'd be aboard to guide me goodbye. Success are haley trump. Trump's two names though it's donald trump trump's not really like a one name celebrity right. Who's your next pick. I'd probably do like a one name. Slept i they won. Only if you're gonna do hamad pericles okay. Take some more calls. They loaded up. are they. loaded up a lotta cooler. share it. kirk joe haggerty. how you doing. Hey joy i miss you know. It's been a long time since we screamed at each other on tv. Do you sell the joy laid off now. You know along. I'm around these days. it's okay. I'm right in tweets about thirteen year old girls and all that shit you know. Well okay. it's weird. Yeah but you know. I didn't get to go to the nhl bubble. I stayed in a bubble at home in just eight constantly. All right we all wish haggerty record. Kill a mood. What's that indiana carl earlier I really you know. Just drink crazy with you. Go in between day and night shows and everything. It's not your burners. So i just wanted to follow up with you first off tau earlier. Great point about california vision was dave foreman number. One minute fan. He really heavily advocated for california show. Because it would be convenient for him. We'll do we're gonna do a california. We're gonna do a california show in twenty twenty one death valley. Oh i'm taking it off the bucket list right now to. I am guaranteeing. We're doing a california show. Twenty twenty one california show. We'll be we'll all be out there. I bet you steeply properties will walk out there right now. My beard cancer. Someone gives you. Thanks for the call. Yes i wanna do is show in california. We're going to pick a random crazy california town where they do it in two twenty one. I was probably closer to arizona. California border one of those crazy. We are desert towns. We were born to do a show. You know i'd love to go out to like the california desert. Yeah it's beautiful. we can do that. You tweeted out late. Twenty twenty one. Yeah we should do it late so we cannot escape the new cold true yeah and the carnivores i hope that point villains who knows well the two week you know. The four-week shutdown yeah fine flattened curve workday months ago. All right up they are. Hello why hello. This is lindsay graham. Hello hello senator. Graham how are you. I'm very good. I just had quite the not with matt khurana. Oh i think that is a listen. I have heard speculation like that. But i don't. There's no proof of that right steve. I've seen no proof if there was. So what good good senator. He makes some really really delicious aches. I'm reading sending called called marriages. America's lg dbq news source the sad closeted hypocrisy of lindsey graham. Do you want to grant. Well senator for years and years rumored to be gay. Do you want to make news right here. I've been waiting for this for so long that good. I'm so proud that. I do it on your podcast mr kirk. I am very very gay man at well even day or than i well. I don't think it works. That way senator. You have to figure out. I mean first of all. I'm very proud of you. Were coming out. It takes a lot of bravery to do that And in fact you center. I think it is And then this time. It's a great thing that is a great time to do it and i think maybe you should be more inclusive in your thoughts and your policy as well when you agree steve. You one bungalow down with that. I think i'm very. I am very proud of you. Thank you thank you very much I right now. I do have a regular question. It doesn't work that way. We both the senator no changes the way this. This is regular me. now we're just asking lindsay graham gano. Why his call. Maybe think of something. Do you think quantum week is eligible for a discover odds. Lgbt category impo. perfectly boring. so awful like that. That would win that win. It's bad enough to win patriotic outright. Those guys oh do they see that. Can you imagine good for them. In what way They turned making that little side. Hustle american dream entrepreneurship should be reverse patriots paying people to listen. Listen yes if they pay me. I listen to every week. That's i would say i would do that. Top level maybe top level. I don't think that business model will work and koroma's level is different. It's like any like the top level. One is like exit one way to rest areas. Like it's like the new jersey turnpike with the vince. Lombardi thomas edison and molly picture the calvin coolidge. What's up hey hey questioned hypothetical and I got. I got a good joke for you Did you my neighbor's house. 'cause i'm looking at it and i think i think you may bought my neighbor's house. Well what town is It's it's main. It's yeah i think you'd have gone did did can't we can't live next door to you. Go ahead yeah. I know i'm exciting. If if you were offered you could never play golf again. But you could have the masters app for every tournament. Now doesn't mean as much to me. I. yeah. I just want the masters because it makes a masters better more. It makes it more special so that was. That was my thought too. I was thinking that as i was watching it today. And that's what. I thought it makes it better so my my joke for you. It's it's a little dirty. I don't know if they'll lead on their side Actually it's It's herb chambers ca chamber for your herbs just a little bit upgrade good evening. Hey what's up guys what's up. Hey i question so when you guys had jeff de low. On last week. He offered up an invitation to the dozen and called him. We narrowly avoided a feud with him. Yeah what's up. I mean that was a bullshit offer like there's been no they hate us. They hate us but they were. You know not scared. Part of the. We don't sit the cool table lunch. You know. I know but if you guys went on i think you is would be a great team in st robinson would be comedic lee useless. It would be phenomenal on as a as always. Yeah but but we would win. I mean there's no that's not even the question that's a guarantee garin. Oh i'd love to see you guys. Go on guarantee victory right out of the gates. Have steve trip over every single sports pop culture and booby question. And have you guys still but that was handed. I thought we could pick our own categories. I think. I think that you get to pick something. You'd pick pick something that the normal bar would but we'd no i guess seattle though who knows all right. Yeah i don't really care for. Jesus christ all right hello. This is a clip daily. Just tweeted me. And i thought that it was worth mentioning. That looks like anna taylor joy and i'm glad that you quote tweeted that we just talked don't like i don't like the yeah. Thanks for ruining the fucking queens gambit before me fuck head very welcome back by drumming. I hate that church. Hello what's up. What's up so i'm assuming that you bet. I'm compact way. Jesus dealing cards. What are you doing with that. what are you doing. What's that sound in the background. My girlfriend's watching tv watching is back. Totally looking. Turn it down what would you. What would you wanna ask me. Well i just wanted to know if you ever had any sort of interesting nice it was okay. What's the question. I didn't get it. Probably heinsohn say because he died today. Interactions with t. v. i did. I did comcast tv and i would run into the tommy. Heinsohn every once in a while now interactions. He was always nice nice to me but he was older and grumpy. But it was sort of grandfathered in grumpy like you wanted tom. Heinsohn be groppy. Tommy hudson was was part of my life since as long as i can remember using games with mike gorman who is a great guy and mike itami doing games up a huge fabric of my youth on sports channel at the time but he loves a game. Good life who's eighty six years old and is in is as tied into a franchises. Anybody's ever been timing. Tweet singular american franchise than any sport. That's all i mean. We lived a great life. He was a great a great member of the boston. Fabric went to college holy cross and he's been around forever seven years right up so they are nine seven. Eight the breakout. Denial is tommy. Heinsohn the most one of the most overrated color commentators in total homer. But i'm saying for me as a kid. I watch i watch them. You seventy seven years old. I mean he's just part of my life. Yeah i suppose that's right you know but I'm my question is for steve. He's just jealous of me being physical education. Teachers he is jealousy. Didn't pick the profession or i get the summer. The steve good. Yeah mean. i'm sure there's a little bit of it. I'm i i make more money than just about every teacher so there is an upside to actually calling. Professors requested well. Yeah that's true so you're so what is this. The physical education teacher. We talked to before one of them got the one. You're thinking what did he do. What did you okay. what'd you do today. actually. I just Got a job a private school. And i had today off so if you're working in a private school when i support you see wednesday off today off you. Yesterday i had yesterday off. I actually did a little lesson. Planning i just started the job as he gives us a lesson plan. I well on tuesday. I'll tell you what i did. We did This is my second my first time with most of those kids. So i know him and then we played a little tag and fun stuff. It's a little kids so can't do much with that so your babysitter. Your job physical education teacher. I understand do you think you're teaching physical education. These kids will be had not so much last two days. But like what's your your big plan like. What are you gonna do to teach us. Kids physical education. i'm gonna have them design physical education classes. They will teach the rest of their peers. How was that. I mean okay all right. Good luck good luck. I want to say. I'm super jealous. He's playing tag with a six year. Old jesus christ. He's blind or they're blind them confused. I think he's at. He's blind a blind teacher. Probably be really easy to be at tag. Be great leave right. Hello kirke up steve. They are i hello good evening. Hey kirk so. I really liked the stephen interview. The other day and You know what's funny is that it's not really funny. But i started watching breaking bad again and ended up getting the allen seven walbrook. I really enjoyed the interviews. You had with a Allen step back on the and i was wondering if you've ever thought about getting him back on chevron someplace we we asked him back on at one point time he said no. Oh did you really just files had no. Yeah i remember it was funny. Steve paul's a guy. We had on the day i was at the house. Do i supremos book. Yeah we'll try. We'll try again some time. Thanks for the call. Those sorry i'm just looking Yeah we asked him to come on. I remember what the topic was but he says thanks for the invite but i have to pass back in april maybe is a barstool thing with no great loss but nice guy lou I was just calling the kind of Justification or when a reason for justin Just because you know you got the show where you know. He could've done his job right. You know and follow. The people made a ten minute documentary or he could have you fucked up and you could embarrassed home which you we kind of like it's your show you know it's kinda what blind mike was does rock. What's wrong switzerland. What's wrong what's wrong you what's yeah. What's your issue. What's what's your bright spatial crazy. Let's with mental issue could not going to do anything to use lousy. You're lying about justin. tried again. A little more concise. Because i got. Yeah yeah that's you know you. He could've done the job right. You know only been ice documentary or or he got a fucked up and you can make fun of him like how do you like that for me. I like that more than you know so henderson. I told you see your point. Is the justin actually. Did a did did better by the show by not doing his job because he delivered more on. Your show makes can get right. Thanks for the call. Yeah no thanks and relax. just relax. it should be praising. Just i think is larger points. I do think the audience likes what they heard the other night which was really uncomfortable but they liked like liked me. The bad mood tonight. Yes they don't care that the relationship with the and that steve from providence urging you to stop taking meds right. They don't want like a smooth ship. They want things to be disastrous. Yes i get that. But i don't i mean i understand the the enjoyment of it but like i would have liked you saw A simple blog post from chaps about the show which dave retweeted erica re tweeted and i think somebody else. Maybe dan to just think of what the documentary with a pet. Yes because they they're like. Oh my god. This crazy guy is doing this So that was my larger point. And you know it's an idiot now. If the tree like he's a baby. I guess right i mean he. He hasn't faces punishment for the did. Wait a good long walk. Can't fire him. Though right is it. Is you know so i mean great surrounded my my own issues but you know surrounded by people can't get rid of the still loaded up there still up take a few more and call it a week. Six six to europe. Where is that kirk. Where's that man how you doing. Mississippi it Mississippi yeah well. I'm about a little south of jackson. Okay first of all Really appreciate you won't put that out there. I think it's great. I really appreciate it. And then second What do you want your listeners to get out of this show like when you first started i know. Now it's become a hellscape for you but like me. I don't much care for politics. You know more now. But i see you know how people are just so like laughter leaning right and just like so unfair and i like pay attention to it more now to like. What was your ideas this. You're just version of like well. I'm just gonna talk and get paid or what. Thanks for the call. I i don't what am i supposed to say that sometimes it's feels more fulfilling to abort a southerner nice guy though nice guy nice. Got me really a hello. I can't do the math cohen. I'm an artiste. You don't think. I wanna rip them apart like a fucking chicken. I drove by his house. I almost got out kirk. I've lost faith in everything. Why would i think the kids here on holidays but my mind wanders just stare at the stained glass people's had i'm full of rage father murderous whatever. I don't just hate this man. I hate all men already. My understanding is that they're taking the credit cards away from your business. Is that right. America presses out because of benny any tonight with his family. Penny can i get you a martina like a martini. But it's from albania. Apparently they go down real easy. What do you think. I can't fresh charges once you work there. You don't think that go hug. Good data collection elsa arthur. Yeah kirk you gotta combined sampled salad ball. Special chemical brighter keeps the lettuce chris. You know i'd like to hear from next already if i could. Somebody tweet this. I wouldn't mind hearing from for galtieri. Polly's mom maybe sometime soon. I up steve About yeah sorry to hear that hello baker. He hasn't going great really good. I just want to offer my to you as podcast. Jesus and if i may question the lesser known jesus obviously it was known for washing feet. You're not really a feat guy true whether it be any other body part of the mini fans we could humbly offered to be washed. The mustache way. You wanna wash parts of my body. You're saying well as talk has jesus you would. I would not only. I would not wash anybody. Part of your body ever unready circumstance while go back to the regular regular jesus. Thanks kurt love you. Buy one more state. Police get out of here. Pay million dollars on through the show anymore. Hello hey kirk we want. You know the difference between a chickpeas garbanzo bean. I do not. I've never paid to have a gar- bongo being on my chest I'll be here all week. Garbanzo beans like that like yellow at the exact same thing. Like the yellowish you know what i'm saying. That's comes from the salad bars miss salad bars. Hello you lope. I've got a ball pick with. Yeah oh go ahead. Why my pain is. Hey there fellas albert so bad. I mean you know as a quadra battling it myself. I first of all how the single life really amount adele. They're gone and a half. We broke up with that cool down there. Well i mean auto sold on the health. It was a mistake. It was a mistake by my speech. It was a mistake. But i will say this. Dale baer will be back. You will see dale barry. Get you well. He better be because every bit croats on that barrett my body so so wholesome. Mike was funding. Dale bear in the studio when we weren't looking good point so one was this going on makes penis. I'd been very open. About the fact that mike dalbar and i have had a very intimate relationship. Great lover dilbert great lover. Comes you know you when you pull it out and you got that little bit tatton on your dick. Oh god thank you mike penis. Well we'll get to work on. S steve anyone else. Yeah really careful. I take one or two normal color week. Always on the air force. i think Our sixteen nine perfect long show. We'll do for another month guaranteed. We're not no. We'll never go over an hour. You hello just have a criticism. The kirk only only six inch sub. What are we doing here for lunch for lunch. And lots of fat ass interesting lunch. And then steve and steve. What fucking sandwich oil. What are we doing here. Subsoil very calm in addition to Sandwiches thought maybe it's an american thing. I'm from canada. You know he's fuck off. Hold on hold on from the excited to abort a canadian right. i'm canadian. Where are you from k. man from kansas hamilton ontario. So rates great sponsor live show could happen. I'm guaranteeing show shorthand worked twenty five forty five minutes from buffalo forty five from toronto middle of everything basically really is i think of that. I think of him keep it in mind. Yeah so when you go to subway. Oh hang up. I finally too late aborted you. I don't think you sitting rallies giving a six inch subway sandwich for lunch. My opinion i don't think so either. You get the foot long. Yeah well when. I'm hungry i have gotten six inches before but i usually the twelve inch more. Hello kirk i want to give you some credit back. I'm gonna be forty years old back in high school. I got bullied and change my whole way of life. I used to wipe my ass front to back in the guys found out and made fun of me so much to switch up my whole routine in. Just been a mess opposite. Suck them biro man you. That's what i'm saying. I'm older now. And i realized that i sit here and listen to you. I said you know what my balls never stank. I never had taint issues. people talk about. There's a right way to do it. I can put if i was in the mood. I'm his boss. So he would do if i told him to. Like steve dick my legs behind my head and put any food my asshole steve could eat it. he wouldn't taste thing clean as can be. I agree of you who tastes good. You're gonna be you what was that. Dhaka's deval caribou. Giusti was at. You're gonna make me eat smith's cheese out of your am. I ain't i wouldn't because it's it. It probably crosses some sort of professional line. There was something along that lines in the mccarrick report. They probably was But the point is i could and you have like. Oh i just cheese nothing. Nothing else practice better honestly. We could talk with them about a partnership with my asshole. kirk state. cheese did a little bit this. This piece of cheese has been rubbed on kirkman and probably sell some people you at the vans abide. Well i mean the had been shown. Loyalty the milton's for sure yo. Milton's dot com today all the great clothes actually wearing a mill. I think this is a time of hamas shirt. It could be wrong steve. Yeah i think that is one of the moms wants for sure i. I think it is time out. It's good that open venus that you like. That's the key i've going today. As a matter of fact Has you covered his fall as quickly turning to winter this little heatwave. I said this morning it was like seventy degrees like six this morning. Yeah now it's forty. Two one is weird days where it gets colder in the middle of the day. It's strange it's i think it's probably more comfortable for you. Running in the morning when chillier for forty fifty degrees. I'm ten degrees on the money us either way by giving nelson's running stuff now they've under armor there's well of course they have north face. We know that as well. And of course time bahama vineyard vine johnny os brands. If you're a guy. Go to milton's right now look great. We get your suit. We know they can do that as well. Cashmere sweaters they have other great price Go the stores and chestnut hill square chestnut hill square chestnut hill social positive in braintree or go. The buildings dot com our great great great friends loyal sponsor forever. A will be going forward as well. We we love love. Love love love. Milton's gonna milton's dot com do that today. Anything else steve. Before we wrap it up for the week did you Read the email from stephen j i forwarded to know it was gonna go. I mean yes. Oh god why why. Why are you doing this to me at the end of the week. No no no. No you know i never remind emails. Never never you know that Me see you afford it to me. Yes okay one. Second i can just read it. I know no t what the fuck who thought he said. Hey by everyone. That was the thing with day wasn't it. Dnc listen davis we yell even cheo last week No i heard him yeah. I heard him screaming about the ad. Von on on the show with eddie. Give stephen chase or no. I don't think so. No big cat. All right i mean whatever. I mean this of a paid social. Yes this week. No it's for next week next week. Okay take that later. go through. We all do that right. no Again a million next week. Yes so i mean lots and lots of funding works. I mean here's the thing okay so. We went under sixty second read for the final. Read the showed. You know wh where it was. I i do not know ask you know that's fine. That's fine if i were steven shay them i. This is my advice him. I would actually like to talk to. Can we get his number. Yeah okay got gained from dan Yeah it's not it's always on email right. no. I don't think science. I like just i. I just want to say this to him and make sense for him. Hector never got back to you. Know he has not gotten back to me. That's not good. he's not. he's not the best to communicating. he is not. He's got to work on that. You'll be a critical skill for a reporter neurologist. Extirpate cat okay. You can get back to you or no i think so. He's probably in pennsylvania now rank. I guess i'll i'll ask him his welsh double up here. C. h. y. c. h. e. a. Eight each look. I mean i just wanna throw an idea tim trying to help him out. That's all he won't answer debut mass. We've got to yell anybody else with knows number. I'm sure everybody knows number. Eight fowler texting you back. No began isn't takes me back texts fowler. I think he you know i. It doesn't drive me nuts. it's more. I get the feeling that he's basically communicating. What the agency said. I know. But i i just want to bring something up to him. That's all. maybe disagree if he does. that's fine. my sobe traffic. But this is because i don't care anyway stretching out now so it's not the last ten minutes of the show so we'll get yelled at doing. Read last him in the church. Assist people listen to our whole show You know what. I mean Anybody getting back to you. Know we should have is number. Especially we don't i. I come real quick. Who got you. Know steve kerr cockeyed on Just have a quick question per your email. We live at eight per your email. The steve okay. So here's here's my i. I'm not going to yell at you. Like david i. It's it's fine but my only issue is. Here's what i would say. Just just just a a piece of advice and you can take it or throw. Throw throw out the window. If you'd like i i would say hey. Kirk does a great job with the ad rates. Because i think i'd do a charter. I know. I know that i know that. So saying whatever ad agency told you this. If i knew i go back to them and say absolutely. You're right. I'll let kurkin steve notice and then i would just keep it in my pocket. Because i'd say you know what it's probably drive kirk fucking crazy and they do a great job. Why even tell them. This will make sure it doesn't happen again. I mean now now now now you're not you're not answering this right now. You should say you kirk. You're you're right you're right. I mean told us that. And you don't want. I mean they didn't say like hey kirk needs to were we're not paying for whatever i'm not asking him. The i mean happy to. If i wonder i'll definitely try and go over next time. I think i go over far far far more often. Not up stakes from chase perspective. I get where they're coming from. They're not a new and you get them information. Have no no issue with them. That that's fine but you should say you know what the next twenty times kirk does he's gonna get it right it like we're not. We're not telling who doesn't know this know what i'm saying. I'm not like somebody never done this before. I know them. So what i'm saying. Okay so okay i mean. Do you know what. I'm saying if you know what i'm saying that's okay too. I'm trying to have this. I'm just trying to a so. So i let go nuts enough. People say like because i feel like this is nitpicking city. On your end. I don't mind them doing it but you should say. Oh we've kirk alana this one he does a good job I mean. I think you did a great job in your andrea You know if you want full. Transparency this has been an issue Outside of just you and anytime we see this. Whether it be from dave you big cat any of the shows we nipped in the bud so that you know going forward that it being tracked by the people that i appreciate their doing that but it also i always i would always want i wanna know like i think the people listen to our show and look. It's not the numbers that dan houser colored. I get that but people listen to our show. Listen the whole way through. And i think i i think if we do an ad re twelve minutes ago if we have five of them in and i. I think they're going to hear that too. I don't agree with you on the feedback. we got. That was what three minutes left and it was short so i just wanted to alert you of it. So it's not like it doesn't impact anything except you said make sure that the required length which is totally five in not in the first five minutes or the last ten minutes so we never. We almost never do the first five minutes for sure. I don't think but so you're going to. You're saying i'm just i'm just trying to so you don't want us to do a re ten minutes ago. I do an hour thirty minutes show. Five ad reads you want them done in the first eighty minutes for seventy minutes. I feel like that gets that can really get in the way of flow of a show. Either either kind of their requests anything that technically in the last ten minutes and be classified by advertising definition as coach. Care that much no. I'm sorry post role as paul totally role. I gotcha okay yeah good. Are we really cory now. Steve on the producer. Okay do you have an issue. With steve steve. We're on the we're on. the live. Live shaping yeah okay on. I thought i thought you knew that you could sue later. It's mike but go ahead No i mean. I i feel like i followed all the correct protocol I feel like. I was pretty buttoned up in. You know kind the language i think you guys you create I'm i'm not upset about a year ago. I like you. you're guy like you. i don't. I don't wanna yell like david. I'm just saying i see that. There is part of me and made. This is my issue steve. I see this in part of me wants to go fucking mental. Because i'm like fucking bust my ass these ads. We have great relations of these advertisers in. I'm almost like it's almost like a fuck you that's by way. That's my perception. I'm sure i'm probably wrong. Does that. that's mission. The you issue not yet in like literally nothing personal against you. I mean that you some clarity into into my world like you know I i. I like sit on top of all of our pod address. So eye given critiques. In the last few people have been here for ten years ago. Yeah don't give me any critiques critiques. That don't do not do that. We from from a content perspective but Doing feedback on whether that be from internal or for the advertiser but from a content perspective. You're saying no. I'm not trying to censoring. You've got to do what you chose your business. But as far as the ad reads like those who have contractual. Reasonable i got. I got no problem with that. That's perfectly reasonable. I just wanted to get some clarity. What grade would you give brady. So far this year the game on sunday but overall i mean you have to. Do you feel like brady's a buck near. Yeah man i mean. Do you feel like do you feel like he's d. Do you feel like he's rented. You feel like you just kind of using him or do you feel like he's like one of your guys now. I feel like he's one of our guys. I mean you know he's to be here for this year next year and then freezing so quickly forty five so he could kind a one year deal after that. But yeah i mean there's a short term rental and good times don't really laugh so I'm happy and excited the time we happen whether it be long or short coach. Who's the coach. Bruce arians coach the the scally cap ganglia. Jeez coach right you want. Coach peter from franchise was even mean fucking. John fox coach to franchises. I think didn't he. Now i only wanted to for my style and you are now part of sanders. Coaching staff is is that official or no It's becoming a persona. He said someone to run up on mccoy. Who once you go with the onto. Jackson save is that right tackle say there will then take over your position. Be critical of the way i do. Add read. we'll take. I'm curious i've been very clear that i'm going to remain at my table. Do both for years to come. Kurt and your mind. What position would you like to have it. Jackson state linebacker coach secondary. I'm going to be removed not the sidelines or anything. Like an ernie adams. Oh okay it's like a front office breakdown film. Yeah i could see that. I mean okay. All right all right well. That's perfectly reasonable. I have no problem with that and we will make sure do a better job going forward. You guys do a great job. Wanted to point out one thing guys. An awesome job With the the money for the for the you know what thanks buddy. I appreciate that. Steve sale mature. I can be very very reasonable. See but do you know what i'm saying. I do just in your pocket. I think from his perspective. he's got to. He's going to do his job. Because if i do it again the becomes yeah. I think it's pretty mature about that. Yeah i was. I didn't yell at them. I liked i don. I like steve. I know and you kind of soft ended up to at the end there with a couple of questions about tom brady that you don't really care about the answers to pretty interesting to me that braves. It's like from an historical perspective. Interestingly the brady is sort of pouring out in tampa for a couple of years it's more interesting to me. That jay is going to be on dion sanders coaching going to happen. You don't think so. no. I don't think so but that's i don't think that's i understand. We're statements coming from on that. That's fine. I just think i i mean i believe when i worked at entercom the guy you know like during a break sixty seconds was sixty seconds if i sixty seconds read for whoever whatever Pizza hut. I have my phone. And i would just hit it and i do that. Vamp in alabama do that sixty okay. 'cause you're up against the clock and you had whatever amount of commercial time here. I don't know. I think our region over sixty seconds Some eight minutes. Yeah there are but so. It's there are some times when we go off on tangents in the middle of an ad read and then come back and circle around and today only count that counts as nattery to me but but did they only count the time when you're directly reading from the copy. I'd like to talk to the people. Because i'd say to them. This is why these people are stupid. I'd say you think anybody at that. Point is hitting fifteen fifteen exactly. So if i did. So for instance. If i did I also wonder what the difference in i guess. Results from a fifty second ad read in sixty second but they they make deals. That's finding financial. I have no problem with that You know this fall as you get back in the swing of things. Bespoke post has a brand new seasonal box of awesome fifteen fifteen fifteen fifteen up to talking about something else. Fifteen back you. Mike at the end of it and then you'll will or whatever no. Is it thirty thirty. Four fifteen backers of it's thirty right. Yeah thirty nine thirty thirty and fifty whatever the fuck and then so. I think i would argue to them. Hey we're keeping them around like the smiths coach cheese rita the friends us and they understand it but like that. Call the california. That's no one's gonna go. Bigger remembered subscription cheese correct. I wonder sometimes if anybody else understands. I think what it is is agencies. No i know fairly agencies when we deal with the company specifically they never complain and they they know what's going on in the show and to listen to the show but I think it's a agencies in the middle i mean. What else do they have to do. I know i hear some reads not all but some people barstool some very successful podcasts arrangement. These fucking suck. Yeah just. they don't even trying like that would be call chagan real quick trump said over there. One more thing before i forget. Do you look like i want to me. I'd have a bigger issue. see now. we're just talking. That's totally fine. Like i have nope totally get it like you have to answer these people no problem. I'd have a bigger issue. Some not all. I was just saying some not all of these. People ad reads for product x. In a literally read from the copy verbatim and never break to me. That is begging the listener to hit that thirty button. Three times to talk about. That should be that should be. That should be your biggest issue. I'm just up again. W if that's if that's issue number one. I tell these guys make it more conversational. You have to where people bail out. I agree. they kirk If you look at the going deep handle which broadcasts that i coates. Course joey molinaro. We actually put out Inadequate so thoroughly. Didn't andrew luck impression for chevy on chapel rock. We're copa am. I think it's still great job. You're fine fuck. He's talking about. But whoever that is joey molinaro. Oh that's the guy busy impressions. I've seen him. He doesn't pressure. I'm a big impression families like people like. Oh you're fan of some impressions. Sometimes on the on the call in line will sure but like the professional impression or not. My favorite. Like i wouldn't go see frank Kellyanne no whatever. His name is john goodman. No not for me but anyway okay there. You go humor from stephen j for serious garrett. He's very even tempered. Yeah i wonder. I don't know all right anything else you know. I think we're gonna mind your mother. This was pretty reprehensible i. I don't know how it can be anybody's idea of humor.
LCB Ep. 134 - Top 5 "Captains," Captain Marvel Review, Aladdin Looks Rough and John Turturro Interview
"Finnerty? And beyond. Can get me out of this message that he's gonna show up. You can't handle the truth. Maybe not maybe fuck yourself. Shoot your kid. What? One dot. We thought here. Yes. Just kate. Well. Going. We don't need roads. He thought happy all eight. Welcome the lights came bars. Still episode one thirty four Jeff flow, Ken, Jack tro, boylans, captain marvel review Gionta Tura interview and a captain draft thought up by tro Balans in the final thirty seconds of last week's episode. Sometimes just comes to just comes. We're gonna be drafting five different fictional or real life. Captain's they don't have to be in movies. Just anyone with anyone referred to his captain, captain on solo does not count does say, I'm the cabinet millennium falcon, but nobody fucking calls captain Hans solo. So he is not eligible commander thinking author an author eight or something commanders though, it's a good trivia point. That's not pertinent to our dress. But yeah, he's not algebra. But other people are otherwise, what's. Crack what's pop and one of the kids say what's going on your immune Jake, dude, come on. I'm I'm counting my calories. Did you make twenty seconds of the pod without my fucking plug pulling microphone? Sorry. I have a calorie counting out and counting. My calories. I'm trying to restrict restrict myself to eighteen fifty five a day. And this -ly. I'm paying paying attention to my macro 's Gumma macro, go in their pre bad today. But I'm paying attention to it in a been good the last three days. So I'm confident I'm going to try to lose ten pounds get myself back into cutoff sleeve lawn. Mohan body. White Nike air monarchs with grass stains going down the sides. Just just a, but but state but sweat stain in my denim shorts. I'm going to be that guy. I I don't know why you would need to worry about what people see when you know, your lawn since you live in Hoboken. You can't have that much grasp. But I thought garden in people are looking down on the Renault. You people in Manhattan are looking with your telescopes down at my rooftop garden Hoboken, looking at me, mowing my lawn with my little John my my John Deere, which is on a roof, by the way. So please respect me. Just Mohan Mon it, and you guys are just judging me go into easily, which I don't go to any more for obviously reasons, but you guys still go there. That's fine. We just different breed out here Nogan. He's just neighbors with Richard Greek. Oh, doesn't look bad to him swimmer. David schwimmer. Just hang out in Friday nights. We go down to the pool hall. We shoot we shoot a game of eight ball. And we crack. A few corona lights always Colonel lights. Chill you'd be happy to know watched triple frontier today this morning who don't talk. I'm not gonna talk about it. I'm going to say that there is at least three types of frontiers. I'm just getting the head. Thank god. Also, my hands are covered in tika Marsala just rose orange. Look like, you Cheetos, which you know, what I'm gonna go ahead and say you Cheetos, you just don't want. It also true people do that where they rubbed their fingers together to get to ball the dust up. And then just flick. It off is that like a common technique. I don't know you, and I agreed on something the other day that Cheetos puffs are better than regular cheetahs. One hundred percent. I agree with that. I don't think it's close the spoon this. I I don't I feel like Ernestine bears again in the early nineties Cheetos puffs where the defacto Cheetos like those those were Cheetos and then somewhere along the way crunchy Cheetos became Cheetos in I still like Cheetos puffs, I think they're more. Enjoyable snack. Like the airing this of their way better. I totally agree with the guys they used to have planters cheese balls, which I cut my finger one time opening a can when I was a dump five-year-old 'cause I cry they had the the poll tab can opener and you pulled it open. And then I sliced my finger on that trying to get my greedy little hoof in their new chase ball. Can't wait. And I need cheese ball and cut myself opened had to go the. They're just better. And they came out this new thing. It's like the flaming hot little ball, which they kind of look like looks like they would come in a to ninety thing. I mean, similar what you're saying now, but we are talking about it. And I just sound off. There you go. That's our new segment sound off. Let us know tweet us up. This exact thing regularly is basically an adult version of a puppy, Terry. True. But I just want you to tweet us Cheetos puffs or crunchy Cheetos. No other words, don't explain yourself at all you got to tweet at us all going to say that the first response to that tweet. Call out is going to be somebody giving you a thesis as to why they chose which ITO they chose it. He said just tweet us your pick. He's going to be like, here's why picked the crunchy Cheeto. And here's a five bulletin points. To why kill my favorite feeling is. Or an underrated feeling maybe not my favorite field. Humming. One A, but. When you get she does on your fingers at the pool, and you dive into the pool and you let the water just rip away all the Cheeto dust from fingers. Imagining you like seen in America in the American Beauty. You're sitting in the bath letting dust float off the rose petals. It's like, captain marvel gaining powers reverse. I'm just letting the water rip off all the the hydrogenated oil Cheeto dust for my hand. I've been doing these rankings on Twitter because I I wanted to frustrate myself and have people yell at me all day. Man. People are nuts. The chicken tender rankings. People told me to fucking die s- crazy. It wasn't Colonel Sanders. So he was the only person who gets that ability to tell me to fuck off. Yeah. Because everybody on Twitter during the day. They're all like, I dunno waiting for HR emailed him back some payroll file for so they can go like do their piece before they ship it off to accounting or something. So they're bored. And they can't do any more work until they get their other work. So they just log onto Twitter, and they see you and they see your verified in there. Just like fuck that guy. Yeah. That's basically what happened basically. And then everyone I asked her they're listening. They're cowards. They wouldn't do it took. But I did those that inspired me tomorrow at twelve o'clock Thursday the fourteenth at twelve pm. I will be releasing a sixty four restaurant fast food fast casual bracket. So people can yell at each other. Instead of me, that's basically what's boiled down to. So a March madness a fast, food and fast casual restaurants. Gotta make sure you tag all the restaurants involves you better fucking believe it. You better believe it. Of course, I ranked outback number one in in chain restaurant bread. I hope we can see it. I hope we can see who. Which restaurants are still tweeting like it's two thousand and nine which restaurants are like twenty nineteen sicko mode style because some of them will be like pick. Jeff, what will you order? And then some of them will be like if you come in. It's fucking onsite yet your canceled. This. Zac fees. I gave them number axes tweeted me saying king's day king's. So they did that which I feel like that's kind of in the middle of that. But there's a bunch of places that were tweeting it at my replies who were trying to Cape, by the way, Chick-fil-A was the one ever was. So mad at me that I didn't put Chick-fil-A strips top-five Chick-fil-A strips or significantly worse than their nuggets. Oh, they are. It's fall apart. Who is going to get stripped Chick-fil-A finding the person who's picking those over the nuggets because you are shamed. Someone's going to tweet you back or one of the restaurants Tweety back the summoning circle tweet. But it's like your man's in the middle or something like that. Yeah. That's the new popular when we haven't done that one yet. I'm just gonna we're gonna talk about the Aladdin trailer tonight and the picture of Adam Sandler in big debt, Aaron a-, Billy Madison, easy money engagement. Do the summoning circle tweet. But then do national treasure three received that area. Now take on. Who gets the most re tweets we've closed through the amount of retreats against by the end of the show Twitter account and go for the from the LCD count. Okay. So that's that's that. I got that coming out tomorrow. You can find the vote. I'm sure that'll go over swimmingly. I think that's it also football team guessing -nificant better since I left episode. They did go off king. So that was fucking clarity went off in radio today. Very excited. Welcome Odell Beckham salsa. My last broadcast the twenty seven year old how about that birthday. I I don't like saying. But just know that I'll be I'll be twenty eight next time. We of course, Sunday sometime before Sunday. Yeah. So really how could read it read as what if I decide also Ken Jack his birthday's coming up soon. And I'll give you a hint it's going to be on or around the day of a big movie release, and I'll give you another hit. It involves many actors and actresses crossing over in the movie might become the highest grossing movie of all time so Bs not VS. But that's right flatliners actors crossing over. We have an end we should do an ad. A library. Right. You're joke. That is. We do have a live read. You wanna do that? When I. Yeah. Let's do that one. I let's let's do that. And this is we're trying to very little episodes. We're gonna try to string this dead space together a little bit. Nice pocket. 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I'm gonna keep it real with your right now. Just I I don't. I the genie looks like shit and actually hot take. Let's see if you agree with me. I think Jaffar is the worst part about this trailer slash movie. I think the Jaffar horribly miscast what a love that guy. He's such a good actor evil enough. Looking though, that's my point is often do with him as an actor. I mean, he's like a something high school bully not define our two older, dude kind of ugly looking and has a deep voice, and I don't know medicine guess not medicines. Just a guy a guy wants them shit. Aladdin an elevator. This. This pit for the rest of the Bob, please. Wait. But we forgot to mention the good news about. The for the the the first midwestern fucking cover band of whatever name is. But burying elite here. Alan two-day voicing Iago. I mean that was the next news item. Oh, shoot. I didn't look at the rundown yet. I'm sorry. Get we'll just just combine it. We'll just combine it. Yeah. Ellen tunic voicing Iago. Which is we were waiting for it. We actually talked about him not having a voice because they were rumors that they were going to try to keep it more realistic. And it wasn't gonna talk the bird. But apparently, the the bird axe to fucking talk major part of the movie. So yeah, it's going to be Allen to dick 'cause they Gilbert Godfrey didn't make sense them anymore. But the trailer. I know I think the genie stuff looks terrible. The poster it's just the Will Smith version of the genie. It's it is it. Exactly like that. That's a bad. Look. I mean, there's Disney doesn't have any bad looks in terms of their marketing recently at bad. Look that's them openly admitting basically that they think it looks like shit because they don't want their poster just roasted hanging in movie theaters. So I I very much I know Disney show, and I know they pay us very much out on this movie right now, there's there's nothing that appeals to me thinking that. I think it's only thing I like about it sing. Yeah. I'm excited if the music but other than that. I mean, I could just watch the regular let this. It's gotta do something to. Wow, me in this is just driving me away. It's pretty crazy. How ten years ago? This would have been a huge huge deal in Disney. Twenty nineteen is burying this next adventures in Star Wars in lion. King in everything else. They got going on this year. I mean, this movie's getting married like ET in the desert. It's this Dumbo like I. They're just like get rid of these fucking movies. No at least Dumbo like why king, right, right Lanqing's, July. Right. Yes. Beliefs Aladdin is is that a holiday deal land June. See and that that's what that's way too close to get Dumbo. We get a land, and we get Lion King and nobody's going to remember land. That's the thing about it is like just going to completely overshadow it to the point where Aladdin will be a footnote. So it really doesn't matter. How bad the genie may or may not be what do you think? It's forgotten more that are dumped because Dumbo movie, I've already I haven't even seen it yet ready forgotten about it. You have a Dumbo has no expectations. I mean, I think people love Dumbo like even every time. We talk about them. But we get people talking about it more. They're like, oh, I love Dumbo growing up was such a great cartoon movie. Easier to pull them off in live action than it is to pull leading off pulling a land off a live action remake all revolves around the genie. And if you donate all the genie. And then combine that with the fact that you don't look like, you're nailing Jaffar. It's just not good Dumbo. I don't even know who another human character. The only thing I really remember about Dumbo is that it's a flying elephant in the original coat was extremely racist. That's like most early Disney, Stu, I I'm actually I joked to kendricks ended I'm not looking forward toward Dumbo screening in like two weeks. But I actually looking more forward to that than Emma. Am because of the Kitano since Michael Keaton, you know, what I don't love her timber does. But he has a style. And he commits to it some okay with that. I'm a little more interested in that than I am allowed Aladdin has turned me off every turn every corner. They've turned me off. I think they'll get better though. I think the trails will get progressively better. They defeated don't wanna put like the best trailer. They have I I would imagine. Because like people are still going to see it no matter what he would have. I should I think they're going to save it. I think trailer three that's going to be the best one. That's my call. But but my biggest issue is the genie. And I know it's such a cliche thing to talk about. But I just see Will Smith. Why do they not cartoon is the genie? Like, it doesn't need to look like it's a fucking genie. What do you mean? Like make it almost like. Fame Roger rabbit or something. I mean, you couldn't make it look like no not like an actual like hand drunker to make the face a little crazier. Like, you can't make Jaffar face ten feet long. Like in is in the movie like I get that. Okay. But the genie could have been a little more like the cartoon in a sense of just look and goofy. He just looks like blue face Will Smith. I mean, it's just it's hard for me to look at it completely takes me out of. And I look pass that for most movies, but that takes me out of it so much if here's a high. He was kind of gross hypothetical. Right. Don't feel good about proposing this. But it's something to think about if Robin Williams were still with us would he be in this movie gets out assume so in the same way James wrote Jones in Lion King? That's just like the one you can't replace. That's what I was thinking too in lake. So the the whole point of that is come around to like if I. Medically. It was him. Do you think they would make him? Look like, Robin Williams, or do you think they'd make him look like as a regional animated genie. I that's that's a good question. I think I don't know. I think the will Smith's thing to this is not me crapping on. We'll we'll probably sounds like it. But I think that's part of the deal is that they wanted it to look like Wilson. Yeah. I think that's part of the draw for them. But it backfired when you pay for Will Smith, you wanna market Will Smith, I get and that's actually why Disney gotten hot water with the original lead is because Robin Williams, I think didn't want them to market the movie with his name attached or name right up top. And they did anyway. And they ended up having to buy him a Picasso painting in order to apologize in to get him to do movies again, basically for them fair. I mean, how does it on him? He got what he wanted his bag. All right. Well, Ladan Yoggu interesting reactors the trailer. I just meant I was out on it. I I was kind of bummed out from what we saw again the telltale sign that. They're probably worried about or skeptical of the fact that the poster has the regular genie and human form Will Smith. That's who knew look, you know, what this feels like to me this feels like a staging of a live lead and production on ABC like how they just rent live or how they just did Jesus Christ superstar if feels like that that actually fun to watch like a rent live version except the leaden life. I'd love to watch definitely be fun. But that'd be fun in a live like the part of the rent live was they weren't live in it. It was still entertaining performance. But watching it live is seeing it live watching this movie is like this big staging Aladdin musical. And it's just boring because it's there's no energy. There's an energy in this movie is what I feel. I'm not feeling the energy. I didn't mean specifically rent live, maybe more like Greece live, which was actually live and that was a fun really fun production. I enjoyed that quite a bit. Yeah. But she's Christ superstore, hey, one, that's the end of my list. One John legend, the the requisite. Emmy did is so close or was that it remembered he got it? Yeah. That he got the Ostra had to be the last one right for Selma. No, I'm pretty sure it's visas cried super Alber. Yes. Someone came up before that. Right. Fifteen. That's that's enough of that. By the way, kept marvel feeding Disney captain marvel big flop at the box office half a billion dollars in one week. Tough gar gust on us s GW. We couldn't help it. Love to see it. Yeah. Real shame. Next up Star Wars title and trailer coming out on April twelfth there. The Star Wars Episode nine panel with Kathleen Kennedy and Jj Abrams will be on the twelfth in Chicago. So the that's it. That's what's going to happen. They're gonna release a trailer. They're going to release the title. It's going to be. It's it's a good move. It's a good move on their part billion dissipation build the hype. I think they need a little more goodwill. I think just giving up a trailer is not enough goodwill. I think you gotta build the hype up and get people excited again. I think they're going gonna do so good on them for that. I think it's a good move. Yeah. The the name of the movie I'm hearing is going to be called the exorcist move iota. Your mother was a horse. She was. From a movie. All right. It's the secret life of salacious crumb. Salacious chrome, ripping jewel pods. Next, especially if George Lucas still had the rights. Do you think instead that who good job would be hitting jewel? Oh, yes. Next addition. Oh, yes. The scene where he gets frozen earn. Hound Hond gets frozen. Carbonite is just a jewel smoke coming out from the factory on best been. Let's cloud city. Dude. Cloud cities to the Jew factor. It's it's the barge band playing sicko boat. Let's read the tea leaves this is when it's happening today. They're not gonna title before that I just I don't see that. Putting so expected in actually a month from yesterday. Yeah. Yesterday, cool. So yes, Star Wars, boom. Well, more on that whenever that comes out triple frontier released on net flicks. Lot of intimation for triple frontier. I have not watched the Kendrick. You watched it, and you really liked it. Yeah. Enjoyed quite a bit. I'm not giving the reading out yet because we're going to actually review it. But yeah, I liked it. It's got some hints Sakari. Oh, I think the movie I compared it to the most in. That's because it's almost feels like shot for shot remake of it is lone survivor, except it's got like a relatively better cast. But yeah, it's fun. It's a good time. Netflix movie, which always makes it better. No matter what. And I think if you enjoy anything like military related or like suspense related. This movie had a ton of really good suspenseful moments. Burn FX movie really good budget, which you could tell because there's they did not cheap on. The effects which is very nice to see you having to to frontiers, redone. Very well in one frontier was just okay third one. You could tell it ran out of money. They ran out their funds. Next week, actually. So we're into a Netflix next week of it. But apparently, it's good. I like that review Latin excited to watch it, Charlie Hunnam, Ben Affleck Pedro pest gals in it Oscar Isaac so good cast than affect the Netflix game is better than what was that. One. Call. What was the really shitty period? PC? Did wait wait who's been Aflac? What was it like passion project? Oh. Fuck goes he released it to your live by night. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Capac don't that's terrible so bad. So. Yeah. That is triple frontier apparently pretty good. Let us know what you think you can vote a rate that movie in the scripture below we already have it up. I'm doing a new thing this year where I put all the March or all the the monthly movies March April, I do it in the first of the month. So you can go back whenever and you don't have to wait on me to put them in. There always below always excellent. Which by the way, captain marvel. The most rated movie we've ever had. We were not at Barcelona vendors came out such probably why but captain Marvel's the most rated movie we've had tons of ratings will reveal the score very soon. All right address, time Kendrick. What's the ad here? I think you're insert one. Wait. Sorry. I'm sorry. I was cut out. Would you say? You just weren't paying attention. Way of saying I was watching the good poise trailer. But you just fucked. Keep us in. You. Can't you can't cut out a good truly? All right. Dick. What's the ad? What's the no the no episode major fail? What's the ad? I think. I think for the second one. Let's do a little hellofresh action. Would you know what before we get to? Hellofresh. 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Our lords. Or bora? Let man for the vegans pepper Potts. The chain foster. Produ? Bookie his father. Jesus. She monger. Rocking mushroom to be clear. Technology does not yet. Not yet. They just so tape recorders messing up to freeze dried foods, so it will show up spoiled. You cannot sue me for this intake one time to take a break. I think oh go watch the fan of minutes. There's no way to be. Fantastic. Damn Kevin fi. He was really added back in ninety nine before he got signed on us producer tomorrow in two thousand which is effective comedians before making that's good. I haven't seen it yet. So I assume that's great. Hellofresh is episode. Brought to you in part by hellofresh makes conquering the kitchen reality was deliciously simple recipes they do all the meal planning shopping and prepping so you can focus on a healthier you and happier family. We got a big box of it at work, huge bucks food package nicely. Seasonal recipes. 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Driller for good boys that released produced by Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg. You guys know them they make tons of funny stuff. Like Jacob Tremblay little Ray, how're is in it will forte, Molly, Gordon, Molly, Gordon from goes to college bunch of people in this movie. And there are producing Evan Goldberg thrown interesting trailer a red band trailer. I thought it was funny. Yeah. I liked it. This had super bad like fives with the whole coming of age type of comedy deal. I didn't finish the trailer. But what I will say is that it's definitely sponsored by Microsoft, RT, surface, tablet, and good for them because they need they need to get back in the business. All since football season's over. I haven't seen much of them. So good for them getting into mainstream media again. I I agree. What were the crowds at x? Here. I don't know how to pronounce his S X as w what did they fucking? I think that it's. Sex. Sue. I don't know. I do know that is still one hundred percent as at screenings start to roll in. But good boys fifty percent so five Fredge five run. But yeah. But not that's not the crowd for this type of movie right there. Maybe it's inconsistent. But also, very very funny. Okay. That's good. My book. E w says first reactions the Seth Rogan's quote live action south park. Okay. That's called his south park. Some house. It's interesting. The producers told the audience the goal is live action. Okay. Too much. Jacob Tremblay my life after predators or the predator. Whatever little bit of a break, that's the different role than I'm okay with it. He has always he's not the kid's saving the day with his book in E T. Whatever. Whatever man you get the joke. Yes. Shit was terrible. Now, I'm still bothered by that. And that's not an offensive. Jacob tremblay. But just what an awful awful character decision. Terrible moving on. This is a trailer just for trill Batman versus teenage mutant ninja turtles cartoon trailer. It's gonna be a movie this is fucking to stall just city. I feel like you. But the enemy so she looking. Right. I don't I don't like these new square jaw turtles, I miss my my big mushroom reverse mushroom-shaped, fluffy boys, the Rumi mouth room out through mouth with the white as cheesy grins, and the now you got these ninja turtles that they look really easy to draw when just say let me just put that I could dry could definitely draw these Digital's is that have you seen. Did you see ref Yellen his trailer? What's the difference between him and the other? One's ref Raphael's got the screen shot with the daggers. He's got the size actually, technically their size. Look at work. It is John this one. Yeah. Red with the red sash over he looks. He looked walk in moron looks. He looks like a what do you call it a locust from war? They all do kind of Donna tell it looks like, you know, they made him skinnier to obviously signify that he's a huge nerd because you know, whatever Michelangelo for some reason is like four foot one maybe because he's still baby in this version and then Rafael. He looks just doesn't look right, man. Not good. So you're out on this. I don't like what what was what the regional digital design when a certain variation. Why are we gotta play round that much? I don't agree with that. That's what I missed if you're gonna give me two stellar give me the real shit. Don't give me this fake vagueness Daljit with these ninja turtles let's win. What who do you want to win? I mean, they're always going to team up. But who of that man because he's turtles look like nerds? I mean is Batman himself known in some sense. No dude Alfred's the nerd. Because he's the one base camp doing all the nerd shit. I mean messed away. Created this battering for you. Thanks offered. I'm about to go plow. Keep on working the chemo for them. A we're the Dong bags you automatically socio with Willer net. Who is the best Batman which we've discussed. See you just subliminally just fucked yourself in that argument for now Katy now mad about these ninja turtles that somehow. Look like they're characters in ABS odyssey for PlayStation one. Now, I don't know fuck is this deep cut. TVD? See hold on looking. I send the reference. All right. All right. I make sense. Brought to you by Hootie. Gluten free cakes. Woody's whatever Admiral Akbar species Fishman, your mon- Manco Mari kill you had to seems a little derivative Kalmari there. This is my George. I think we're gonna run with it. George Rogers, keyed everything. George. Lucas livestream. Thanks for the no. Day one. I am dropping still dropping. Still dropping. Still dropping. Cambay appalling AmEx him picking between the two fucking alien heads for Dexter jets will always be melted into my brain. Overlook a little booth one like the head on this one. I like to quote, our friend Mr. Sunday moves just pick a fucking alien head. It's the owner of a diner just kick. One just move on dual sketch comedy here. Can you do George Lucas voice in you're coming into my store? What's your store and seeing welcome, sir? Welcome to my store. What am I buying after you have to set it up? And yes, setting it just playing improv I serve welcome to my store. Hi, I'm I don't let's good to have another customer here in the latex bodysuit. You have tell me this latex bodysuit going to be pissed on. Potentially. Lucas on fucking Joe Rogan trip. Okay. George Lucas legend of directing Indiana Jones, Star Wars. Now, tell me have you ever done DM t. Have you ever done it doggie style, George Lucas, tell me honestly, I don't think he got the leg power for it? I don't wanna say I saw clockwork elf. But I don't want to say it didn't. DM tea. But when we are in Tunisia, I eight one half of Dietrich grain bar. Moving on army hammer. I mentioned we talk about something relating to Johnny Depp invisible. Man shortlist for invisible man army hammers on it L exander scars guards on it. I just I. Nice. I don't know. I feel like most people are over on hammer at this point, correct? I I don't you know, I think he could. I don't think he's a leading man. We put that way. Yeah. I think he's I think he's a good secondary. Character think he's a good character actor think you get of a solid career. But as leading man, I don't think he puts butts and seats do you think scars does though 'cause I don't think he does either. No. I don't think he does either. I think that's why this character was originally supposed to be going to Johnny Depp. This is going to be nothing like hollow man right again really has not had great box office returns himself outside the pirates series. I don't know. I just think the premise of this movie stupid, and I don't think any actor can make it. Interesting enough on the invisible man can't see me Klay can. I I. I say walk who is looking for this who wants this old. I'm not gonna do the rant anymore. I've done it. So many times since the dark universe was announcing. We talked about it. But again who wants this can we play if I was invisible to end the pud not really I don't like that song that much. What do we end it with last week? What was the remix? I asked you to do the Pokemon song like tag. I can't ever done. It's it's it's it's a good saloon. I don't think you mean that every I posted at once, and I got nothing positive response to it. What Jerry play invisible man, Jerry? Jerry getting visible, man. What do we play the next to last week? I have idea it was ridiculous. It was a ridiculous on. It's dead quiet here coming back when it was a head rips. It was a dub step remix to something from the two thousands. Right yet was oh fuck. Yeah. We are we because we said like what about you could find a house remix of XYZ? I already forgot. I figured out later. Okay. So armee hammer I was gonna scars where they might play invisible. Man last bit of news here. This was going to be a crazy. News topics would've led the show. And then it was debunked ten hours later, but he needed rhapsody is not going to have a sequel. Thank god. I mean that would have been not shocking, but one of the dumbest fucking ideas possible. What more do they need to say about that? And what would they do? He didn't live much longer after Live Aid. For a little while. But still like that was not what are you gonna chronicle in that time period? Easy flashbacks. Did you flash bags maybe? That creative. Walk the line too. Started talking about is what do you call? Johnny cash's estate. Just be boring. By the way. How that whole rumor took off 'cause people bought it up. It was there. It was like the fucking music video director talking about it. And then he got shot down a meeting people like that's nonsense. And then sure enough it was it was actual nonsense. Maybe like Brian May putting feelers. Yeah. What about a brilliant sequel hard pass Brian May? Guy from Liverpool trying to make a sequel. Hello, hello. This is not Brian May. But have you ever seen in nineteen eighty eight clip of live for Monica with Brian May and Mark Knopfler trade guitar solos? I'm thinking you should make a movie out of that one fool movie full length. I don't wanna talk about him anymore. House. I figured you'd have another joke on that. All right last address is this a skit. This is from a good friend of the pod mode out. So that's that's something. I just made up. It wasn't supposed was to be that. But MO MO doubt. Please take it away. Please drop your pants. The doctor said. So I did in his face turned bright red. My underwear had filled him up with fright. He said bitch. You look like Walter white. Oh, please. 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I'm sorry earth made a half a billion dollars. You've probably seen it by now for listening to this. It's a hard movie to talk about without breaking up spoilers because you're a couple twists so. We'll say scores real quick. I gave it I landed at the end with an eighty three trilogy. Give it gave it an eighty Ken, Jack. Would you give it down on eighty two? Okay. Audience gave an eighty two so very similar scores per usual. Captain marvel physically butter brand new character takes place in the nineties. Lotta great actors in it. Samuel Jackson Jude law. Ben Mendelsohn to name a few Leshan Lynch. She played Maria Rambo. Great new cared for the marvel cinematic universe. Lots of great people in this movie. It was fun Annette Benning a fun time some flaws lots of twists the Evanston, go see it and then listen to this review. But if you don't anything spoil that would skip ahead right here to avoid spoilers for captain Morville. Skip to one eleven forty two little guys growth. Three games for your right here. I'm tired of the three two one. Go antics from guy. Not funny. His kid is there on a segway. He didn't laugh, and if you're not gonna laugh at your own dead jokes. Just it's the the gig is up. It's time to do a different joke guy. And also if you come on the show, and you fall for the three to one thing, you stink you're terrible. Because it's the most obvious thing here. He doesn't every episode. How do you fall for that? Frustrates me to sharpen on my cooking. Skill and go on the show and dominate. Okay. Here's our view. All right, captain marvel very important movie. M C you. I thought the goodness movie was very good and the flaws were kind of drag and I will say most of the flaws came in the first third of this movie. It was a rocky start. And I just don't think we were used to an origin story in the MC. We haven't had one in a long time. And I think it felt his felt different. Like, there was a different feeling at least the beginning of the movie compared to some of the past because the past movies, we've had are very different than the wasp sequel avengers Infinity war. I mean, they explained to self Black Panther origin story only sort of because you already met the character in civil war. You ready learned the early part of him because you met his father. You saw his father's death. Thor ragnarok sequel Spiderman homecoming same thing you met him in civil war gardens the galaxy volume they cut all the bullshit. This went right of the Spiderman is a galaxy volume two sequel. Before that, doctor strange. So it's been three years since our last true origin story, and I think it showed. Well, I think black panta oil consider Black Panther, true origin story. But it it was handled a lot better than this. Yeah. But again, do you agree on that is that the introductory stuff? Understanding the character in the concept was was handled in civil war. I. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Get it. Yeah. This was this was a true origin story, though. I mean, this was a definition of origin story movie through and through and it's suffered because of that in bay needed to do it. But like Jeff was saying we're not used to seeing it in cash just that pacing in drawing it out. And my big thing was like you got to see her whip ass at the end. But that was the big payoff and you had to wait two hours to get there. I think a part of the problem I had three Larson's. I'd say performance like when she was funny. She was great. But when she got used as a tool for exposition as part of it being an origin story. That's where she should have struggled. Where like where who show me person where that's easy, right? So I don't blame that on her. But it's like you said, Jeff it's just that exposition in that origin story ended really did kind of hurt the movie little bit. It's the it's the four problem, and it's a captain America to lesser extent. Because I haven't played a pretty serious character in story series at times. But. For changed bit in a vendor's compared to the first Thor. And that's you're like, ooh, Chris Hemsworth, or this is intriguing and then from that dark world, not great. But you began to see character of all into something more, enjoyable more fun more personality, and then Ragner took to a whole different level, and he was great and Infinity war. And I think that's my thing with the captain marvel just digging of character, the captain marvel character, I think you nailed the Ken Jack is that wore beyond this exposition nonsense. She's just integrated and is being her her fun nineties character. I think it's going to be enjoyable or more enjoyable because when we got into that stuff in this movie. It was great and she fit perfectly and like the light hearted suffer chemistry with was Sam Jackson. Nick fury was fantastic knit worked. So well together, you to think they'd been in multiple marvel movies together, though, I will know he isn't getting a lot of praise is to be. I think it just Nick fury and people always before he and great chemistry with everyone. The Maria Rambo character, Carol danvers and tallow. So we will. Into Ben Mendel in a second. This is like the fakest win for Ben men does stands in the world. But I think I think that's the biggest point the drive home with the character as when she was allowed to have fun and breathe with the character was great. But then pushing the plot along and pushing the character story in the origin along it just felt clunky. The first third of the movie was tough. But in the middle of does kick him as begin to to be more on earth. It begins the kick in and you get a much better feel the movie with the the big twist in the house happens. That's when the movie gets a lot more interesting. Yes, obviously, the big twist is that the scrolls are not the villains Talos played by Ben Mendelsohn. I wouldn't call them. He's what are they what do they call villain? Who's also hero anti hero. He's east a bit of an anti hero. I mean, you know of murder of crease and stuff, and they're fighting a war that I'm not totally sure that humans wanna be on sidewise because they weren't still rent. Yeah. In these in the governor they. They they still are part of a war. They're kind of aimlessly killing and all that. So I don't wanna count the scrolls. Totally as protagonists are on the good side quite yet. But he was great when he shows up in the have drinking a fucking milkshake. He's wearing like the sport coat making jokes about his his science guy and stuff great. It was fantastic. There was personality with Ben Mendelsohn. They gave him a script where he could again. Breathe. Evan as an actor not shout, bad guy lines like of all good Parzival. Like, oh my God. Like ready player one? He just had. It was just cue cards yell yelled at her name's at looked at. He was the perfect eighties villain. I do. So you're saying I want to be fair in that. I did get some people fire back like you don't like Mendome like, no, I like Mendel. I just don't think he's had a lot of great things to work with recently. 'cause when he does have stuff like these in bloodline, he's fucking great. That's that's Mendoza. His best and like, Robin, hoods and other one. And I thought he was good in rogue one. But even NATO really expand his role. He was just bad, Mr. bad guy. It was death star bad guy. But this one he was fantastic. Just so good as Talos and the standout with the movie, I think hands down I really like characters switched from being very medicine because I didn't know the twist at all I wasn't paying attention to the twist or the potential twist what was going to happen. And you know, I love to spoil movies in advance. And I didn't do it in this one. So it it kind of caught me by surprise in. What seemed obvious maybe a lot of people wasn't to me? But it was really fun. Watching him go from a menacing character to or a lighthearted data funny guy like comic relief in the second half of the movie. I really enjoyed that. You got to see his range in that one. Because I was really really me. No like, you know, the from the trailer where the showing up on the beach looking all like medicine shit. Keep using that word. They do the shape shifting the. Okay. These these are bad. These are. Bag is. And then they turn out to be. Okay. Maybe some of them are. Okay. We know that that Mendez. Okay. Yeah. Thought he brought a ton of levity the movie which was sorely needed at some points. So like like you said in the beginning. He's sort of scary is adding that pheromone to it is a go to tag, also shifts. And he's a funny guy the scenes in the house like you're talking about after the truce whatever's established or hilarious like a science Goi part was so hilarious like hose his exchange of the second. In command at thought he was great. And definitely he stole the show a little bit for me. I was expecting like you guys both mentioned him to be his just kinda tap Cass film where they're like. All right. Just go out there and do your damn thing Mendelssohn this when he got a little bit of a three dimensional aspect which was. Mean that really goes to show it I think the key the formula for these movies, and this is not an obvious statement. But it's more apparent in the success of the avengers movie the unstoppable cast movies is. Yeah. Like Brie Larssen was greatest captain marvel in yet. You know Hemsworth is greatest store and we love Evans as captain America. But they're only as good as their supporting cast these movies and their who they're given to play off of like, that's what really makes it breaks it. And so in a movie like Black Panther something. I enjoyed a little more than this. I thought there was a stronger cast of characters for them to play off of then there wasn't captain a captain marvel Sawyer should say so Mendel was great Rambo was great. And then aside from that the big standout was a CGI cat semi CGI kind of Nazi GI cat. So I did think like rehearsing did a great job. But Sam Jackson as well. Nick fury. I think maybe they could have had more going on in this movie with other characters. In a lot was wasted on the I thought it was waste on the net any character who like ultimately didn't provide a lot to the story other than just being another villainous type role. Yeah, I think overstuffed is a good word. I think Talos perfect. Great twist like really good twist. I personally see coming. I liked the character lot one of my favorite characters in the NC like ever out of twenty two movies. But I thought an bedding you had Ronan the accuser played by Lee pace who returns from guardians of the galaxy. And then you have Jew laws character who I didn't love an bedding was fine in her role. I love Lee paces Roane and just didn't get a lot of him. I thought I I understand marvel and how that works, and I get why that needs to be there. I think you bump out someone like Jude law, you bump yon rod, and and maybe you just make it Rohner. You take out Ronin. I thought that area was just a little too messy. And that was my other big. Thing. It was the first third, and then it was the handling of that villain. Subplot? I got little too convoluted because you do need the fake out villain in order to make Talos work. But I think there is one too many villains workout company because I do understand the marvel thing you have to you have to include that part of the origin. Right. But I do think it got a little jumbled like I again, lovely pace. I love the NCAA where she's going blowing shit up in space. But I'll down the Jude law's character yon, Rog and Ronan the accuser, you gotta find a way to make that work better. Because I just didn't think I think that was my knowing was so I think I think they would have found a way to like, I don't know how you can make it net bending character work instead, you laws character. But I prefer her over Jude law didn't think you'd law offered a lot in this movie. No, I thought he was kind of waste like there's nothing is kind of funny at the end, a Kendrick. I think you had a good take. He's just exposition I`eli guy as well. He was kind of he actually reminded me of what of what Ben Mendelsohn usually place like put down your your emotions. It's like he kind of was the Ben men does usual role in this movie. Yeah. Tim sitting there and going like, hey, mar captain or whatever they call her general, Carol. Yeah. Hey. Veer firs fears, whatever cave years, remember when you landed on this planet. I gave you on my blood. That's something that happened in the history, which we're not gonna show you. But now, you know, because it said it out loud like it's just him explaining expedition to her as a me to give it to us, which it made me dislike his character probably more than he deserved. But it's like you said hockey us there to serve the plot. And did that but not much else for me? Although I did like his team or whatever Jimmy Chan Rune Tempe who I enjoyed a decent amount. I like them blue the giant beard. Yeah. And then you had what's man. What's his face returning as his? Yeah. As corps f who was in guarding as well. He was a henchman for. Good boy Ronan the accuser, we're going to see him again. We just saw them in in Auckland. We're about to see him again. She's in. Just everything every fucking movie. So let's I mean, I don't know if there's too much more to Senate what I guess something else. That's stuck out something that you liked. I thought I lost a lot of the ninety stuff about it was funny. I actually said this view, this one will talk about I thought everything landed joke was I actually liked every joke that was made. I didn't think felt fourth the nineties references. They were very they're very, wink, wink, but they were written into the script in a way where it wasn't too obnoxious, and to Easter EFL, it was just it was part of the movie was part of, you know, space people cosmic people, and I love the cosmic that's movie coming down to earth entailing with the nineteen nineties. So I like that. I don't think it's funny as ragnarok or guardians, but I think it's more consistent more convince Lasser bigger in those movies. But about the jokes were consistently written, which massive marvel fan. That's always their biggest weakness they have sometimes one too many jokes that cut into the tension. But I thought they played a perfectly here. It also lends credence to the fact that they gotta keep going into the cosmic realm because of the cosmic angle opens up more possibilities for scripts for how they make jokes for how they having dialogue. Like, it really does open up more for them rather than just being Earth-based. Only ninety stuff was good. The music was was pretty good. I'm just a girl. No doubt was thrown in there. Pretty pretty fun at the end in. What was a garbage or whole was played Evo? I don't know all the music. References were good the favorite the best nineties reference was the mole rat script being read by Stanley on the train. That's pretty good because good and Kevin Smith posted a Instagram selfie of himself crying because it touched him so much school yet. He I think I I don't wanna get this wrong. But I think they had the double or some lines. I know he was sick when they recorded that was very cool. And it was actually kind of an intentional fourth wall break where she looked smiled at him. I thought that was actually awesome. Like, that's one of the things that may not age well over years, but in the moment for what it was. I thought it was great. And I also thought the logo the beginning of the movie being all Stanley was Mawson that was a really cool unexpected tribute perfect way to do it seamless because you know, that's like that's something. He would've loved goes. Right into the movie you see him. Boom. Perfect tribute anything else that you loved Ken Jack tro before we have to talk about one big thing the mid credit scene in how connects to the next movie, but before we wrap up on specifically, captain marvel, but the cat was okay. People. Drink cat breaking out about the cat. The concept of a cat with the endless belly void. But the tentacles creamy out man tentacles just creep me, the fuck out guy that would love tentacles and in the sick way trying to imply that I'm a hint talking. Yes. I am. No, sir. Silence. Is deafening, sir, sir, sir. That's the next like at the debates like Beddoes going to be like accusing Biden of late being no talk. You. No, you are the talk. You you watch twenty hours of anime a week. No, sir. You're the talk. Oh, yeah. I guess to wrap it up. I just liked it. I think the the the climax in particular for this one the action sequences one of the better ones in the MC you or final fight versus the invading forces of the career whatever I like to quite a bit. I think I think if you're out there, and you haven't seen it because you're frady saw something on the insole boards about how s GW trying to force you watch his not good movie. Go watch it. The one thing though is like their powers were so cool at the end. Like, I hated the fact that we had to watch a hundred ten minutes of movie to get to that. And that's the downfall in shitty. Part of in origin story, but two good segue into the mid credit scene. She's also I will say this. I know I mentioned how well they set it up with Black Panther Spiderman with civil war. She's not one where that's possible. She's to fuck and powerful. So I get why they had to do this. So it's kind of a damned if you damned if you don't on I hope that or rock and a hard place, whichever one makes more sense there. You. Get it. I wanna see more. But that's how they get you. So the drama in. All right. So arrest me, if you want to Disney, but I filled the post credit scene the second time, I saw a fucking awesome. It was bold move. It's definitely a clip from the movie, but you see the pager if you didn't stick around for the captain marvel pager from the post credits scene of Infinity war that she gets the movie and Sam Jackson calls because Nick was told not unless there's an emergency and she meant emergency emergency. And you want the vendors have always had a good time handling it. They've always been able to do it on this one was too much to half the world's dying people are fucking turning into dust. So you see that go off? And then you see firs cap, then you see tasha Romanoff. And then you see Rhody Bruce banner. They're talking about the power shut off on the pager. And then she tasha Romanoff. She says, I wanna know what's on the other end turns around and boom Carol danvers saying whereas. Theory. And it's we'll man are feeder fucking lost it on our second viewing. It was nuts. It was like a fucking touch down. It was like a a Homer fucking dunk a sporting event. It was nuts. It was awesome. Because it just gets you more hype for vendors. If that's what that one little clips going to be like a magic that whole movie. I think some people were kind of mad that they showed the reveal of her meeting the vendors already. But you know, what the wasn't full wasn't complete. They did something similar to this back at the end of ant, man, they should've seen for civil war when they finally go find Bucky and his chain to that whatever the thing is that the middle thing whatever, but they both before and I liked it. But the like in the actual movie of engaging the reveal captain marvel would not be that big of a thing. No. There's an entire cast of characters who I think like we'd like more like, yeah. I like you have to marvel that she's not my favorite marvel characters. So like, I get what they're saying. But it's it's like in the scope of that movie. I think it fits in perfectly because like she's not moving anymore. I mean, the adventures movie store met the guardians in a trailer. And that was just fine. You know, she's going to be there. And there's going to be plenty more surprises along the way. So I didn't have a problem with it. I thought it was my it was my favorite mid or post credit scene. Maybe I'm a prisoner of the moment. But it was awesome. It just the context of with that movie. Oh, and I want I want to say, we'll more thing. This is I'm gonna have to MIT full Schill fan boy status. But at the end of the movie when he has Nick fear has the protector initiative on a screen, and then he sees a vendor on the side of Carol danvers fighter jet. And then you see him delete protector and type of vendor and the vendor music plays fucking up. Do that. But not the solo part. What's the tangible difference there? What do you mean where it's like? Oh, no one's there. Going to call. You solo solo was such an in your face turn to the camera in your face because because that's just an origin part of in its natural. There was no reason to call them. So there was like it was unnecessary. It was not natural. He looked at a plane. He's that plane says avenger, I'm gonna call you guys the avengers that was like this this ham-fisted. Now, I liked it just as just. You're anywhere near as ham fisted because they set it up from the first movie avenger initiative. They haven't explained why. The beginning solo solo. But that was that was beyond him fisted. This was a necessary thing. No, definitely Easter. But that one was so, wink, wink, I disagree. Depending anymore disagree. Anyway, I love for me. It was naturally. Awesome. And great and that fucking movie enroll into the mid credit, which was great. And again made them prisoner the moment. But I thought that was the best one how much did I call the hairball part? You did call that me as that's going to be the post credits. Read any spoilers on that. Right. No fun. Wasn't amazing middle the Romar marvel movie. But you know, what it wet the pallet? The end currency was the mid credits scene. I don't really need another trailer. I don't eat any other teas that was good of a tease I could get for vendors and game yet Jeff on thinking about the perfect follow up to this review. And you think that is I think that's the captain draft. That's right folks, a nine round draft where we each pick a famous captain to have on our captain team. What do you think about that? Can check that'll be great after this interview with John to Toronto. Oh god. I. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Oh, the forums are going to get on me for this one and Jack and I sat down to throw in a hotel. That was cool. That was different didn't have to go into our studio, which is definitely not crappy overcrowded always dirty, and we talked about his most recent movie, Gloria bell, which is very good. So. Yeah, yours our interview with John deter. We have the absolute pleasure sitting down with the one and only Gionta Tara. Thank you so much for for joining us here. Thank you. Thank you very much. I noticed both. You guys have beers. And now don't have a beard. You're a second interview today to mention our beards people confuse us. Sometimes really, my my I've. Beard in this movie, Gloria bell and mini series? That'll becoming an AFC the name of the rose have a big beard, and almost no hair because I play Franciscan. So I've had lots of beers. But my barber haircut are Anthony said men of a certain age shouldn't have beards really why I kind of like my be. But anyway, what age did he give you for that? He didn't I probably have to fifty or something, you know, he was like shooting have. After a while. He's a philosopher. Not always, right. But you know, you you cut your hair you rely on for advice. I give my haircut once a week. So do my probably six years younger than me though. Okay. But so, but he lives close to right? Yeah. See my guy is I retired. And he has to come into the that. I would get my. Yeah. Okay. Both kind of like hipsters. No, sir, sir. No, definitely not. No, we're not in Brooklyn. So we're not we're not very people. That's really fun. Artisanal hot chocolate and a tiny up. Maybe you're the hipster, sir. I am the original hips. So you mentioned gory Bill. Wonderful movie getting tons of praise. We when we talk about movies with whoever we interview we like reading, the synopsis, and you correct us if this is wrong from the ride. Okay, obviously, not always right. Gloria played by the wonderful Julianne. Moore is a free spirited divorcee who spends her days at a straitlaced office job and our nights on the dance floor joyfully leading loose at clubs around Los Angeles. After meeting Arnold you on a night out. She finds herself thrust into an unexpected romance. Both the joys of budding love and complications of dating identity in family. Yeah. Yeah. It's about you know, people sort of connecting in the middle of the alive, you know, one person who's divorced for a long time another person who's going through the process of it. But is having a hard time this engaging himself from a dysfunctional relationship with wife and his children who are not that functional. So, you know, it's, but the movie really focuses on hard journey, and he's a big part of that. So, but I I saw the original film, and it was wonderful, and when they decided to remake it I was like, I y you remaking it. But the guy wanted to do it with Sebastian alot. He wanted to do it with Julianne, and they both asked me, and I thought sometimes you you you do something to work with the people more even than the role, and then it turned out to be a really. Creative experience. And you never know that, you know, but she's great and great teammate. You know, the the. The. There are people who are ball hogs and their people pass the ball back and forth. And that's what's fun when you do that. And that's what's interesting and in friendships and relationships in an acting. You know, it's a that's a nice thing. Yeah. I loved you guys chemistry a lot. And I thought that for somebody walked my parents divorced later in life in their fifties. And I felt that that wow, felt very authentic watching the way you guys went through your Latian ship the honeymoon period. When you meet new people, we interact with the ex spouses and everything like that. I found it all felt very real. And none of it felt forced I enjoyed you. Guys, chemistry tremendously. Thank you. That's that's really that's interesting from from your perspective. So when people meet at a certain age, they have a lot of that they have more of a past with them. They will more baggage. Or whatever you saying they have more life that they bring with them, and you can embrace that or or not. But I think Sebastian he's like a little scientist. He's he's used the word Toco vian like, you know. Based on check of because people can be saying simple things. But behavior can be completely contrary contrary, you know, and that can be an inherent contradiction into all kinds of what people say and what people do. And I think that you know, it's it's hard to try new things and to attempt new things so much a life has to do with failure. Not just success. Everyone always thinks well, you were successful you. I mean, a lot of it has to do with failure. And how you respond to failure? And, you know, great writers talk about that. And you know, you try again you fail better. Try again like Beckett says, and you know, it's. Life is full of that. It's not just you know. And and what does success mean, you know? So this is real about, you know, trying to enjoy life and trying to be able to connect with another person. So that's good. I mean, he's he's a real student of human behavior and human behavior is endlessly fascinating. You know, when you're young there's that behavior, and it continues doesn't stop you talk about success. This move right now sitting at one hundred percent on run tomatoes. I know my son redraw into does that mean anything to give for movie to be at that Mark right now, and especially with the amount of reviews it has which is qualifying of high praise. Well, you know, I've tried never to to listen to critics too much because if you did you could be really crippled by. So I always think when people say they really like something you just go. Yeah. You know, that's good. I'd have to bite the bullet on that one or whatever. But I've been on both sides of that choline. And sometimes something that you really love and it's really challenging and it split sometimes. But that could be good to, you know, but I've been to movies that people talk about now is at such great movies and. There was no rotten tomatoes. Then example, but you know, I doubt that the big lebowski would have gotten a hundred percent on rotten tomatoes that but the saying when it came out a lot of people didn't understand it. So, but so it's good. I always I always grateful for that. But it doesn't mean I don't let it mean. Certain things to me because if I think something's good. I think it's good. And if I and if it's someone is supportive of that great. You know, I've seen lots of movies. They win all these awards and no one ever talks about them ever again. Yeah. And then are other movies that people never stop talking about. So time will tell well. Let's talk you mentioned big lebowski big Buffy twenty years last year. Right. A twenty year anniversary think and you mentioned that if Ron tomatoes have been around maybe people might not understood are like it's I feel like it's the definition of coke classic at this point. Like, maybe transcending coke classic is popular. It's it's become kind of like the guys. It's it's it's sort of a philosophy. And I was just saying to someone before because people always talk about well this guy won this award. And this one this one word. Saying Kay Julianne academy more. But does that mean that's the best role that she ever played Julianne on the show. I said, maybe not you know, what I mean. Maybe not I said, you know, basically, you know, Jeff bridges, you know, he one zero woods for the dude. But that's like when I first saw it. I said, I know this is a great performance. I don't get everything in the movie at the time. I didn't even because it was based on these characters, you know, that they knew Jolan Ethan, and my character was based on someone I knew and and I had done in a play. And but. You think about how good that is? And it's just you know, that's what the people. The tell the story when people know all the lines or something when people. There's something about it. That is liberating because all of us in some way, you know, when you get sick. You have your bathrobe on you know, you wanna go to the supermarket and you slippers. You know, what I mean, you I mean that you really can't function that way. It's just a an just something beautiful. I mean, Johnny's great to he's great Goodman. But there's something beautiful about Jeff's performance. And I just think there's a reason why so time will tell it's funny because time with that Super Bowl commercial that he was in his past. I didn't see that. Because I was in Italy. So yeah, I mean, not the sound like a smart person. But I knew it was pretty quick. It's like all right. This is Super Bowl commercial. But it did the thing where trick people like is there a big lebowski Siegel tripping over there there just to see what it was a sequel, but there will be you will see Jesus again that would be that's fantastic t the can I like that. That's great to hear. It's not the big lebowski. But yeah, you'll see him. Again, we like that. What when did you know that it was starting to pick up popular years later years later won't my oldest son on day. Oh because it was starting to be these festivals. And things I enjoyed the movie when it came out and get an I went to see it at bam. And I think maybe ten and people were new the movie, and I couldn't believe it. I was like, and then I started I realize wow. This is really this is pretty good. This is this is really funny. I said I get everything before and that's true of a lot of their movies. A lot. Sometimes just you know, whatever. But that's what I I knew he because he said I wanna go see it. And he was laughing. He was ten years old. And I was like, wow, this is then I've seen it a couple of times. And it's it's really, you know, and my my younger son loves it. You know, and he just, you know, the he always quotes do to me to do this you. Well, that's just your opinion. And. It's like there were so many lines. You know, you know, just, but it's kind of philosophical philosophical comedy. That's why. So I love things that have a lot of you know. No contradiction. But I think you know, you can do a drama, and when it is black humor that always great because it gives you some relief in it. So you can laugh, and then you can feel but some comedies, and that's more of a comedy that movie. But that kind of comedy is the hardest. One of the hardest things to sustain you could sustain it for thirty minutes. Maybe. Without it being sentimental without it being also romantic everything works out in the end. And that you can see seven steps ahead and not you don't see any steps ahead of me. Donny dies. I want to talk about temple franchisee, you're a massive massive temple franchise transformers. I never did one of those until the transfer. I turned out every single one or many years. I don't want to name movies about like men in black is one of them, whatever. But I turned all of them down. And people thought I was a they called me a specialty item. Interesting and all the people who did that maybe a lot of people aren't working right now. And I did like I worked with great directors still work. Great directors. And and I also learned a lot of things. So why would I not do a prima Levy of film with a with a master directed on Scorsese introduced and do a franchise. I never did it until they offered me transform and my oldest son. Just do it. Don't read it just. I had a good. I had a good time doing it. I just thought listen, I have to be able to entertain the adults in the movie when they bring the kids, and I basically I base my character Michael bay 'cause he's. I was like I had fun doing it. I had fun. It was the second one. I got to do more things than the first one. But I like, Mike, but sensibility is not mine, but. Just too many explosions for me, but I didn't go into it looking down on it. But I don't think it's like it's like if you're a painter, and then you also do things, you know. You also make etchings drawings. It's more of a sketch. You know, a filled in sketch or if I'm a plumber, that's my electrical job not put that electricity. But it's it's not like it's not where I live. So it's good to do. And I enjoy doing it and people seem to like it. But you know, you just you're doing something. That's it has to work on a on a different kind of level. Does not like not multidimensional. Michael bay would yell at me. Just a serious serious. I was dying laughing the whole time. It's like what the robots. Matter of fact, I did I did something they tortured him. Once I got all the regional toys and till the primary I pulled it out in a scene. Flipped it transformed. It. Based on a toy. Right. It was a toy. And then he's I was like they said it was a toy. You know was crazy. I said, but now we know now, we know different. And he was like you can't do that in the movie. I said, no it's like an advertisement for the toy was a toy as so then I had every single one. And I kept doing, of course, he cut it out. But I remember it was on the floor, dying laughing. I would pull out a truck transform it. You know out of my pocket. That's as if I was carrying with me. But I thought it was a great home is. But they let me do, you know? I mean, I basically improvised like half my part more than credible. I'm just not. I don't really care if I have two million people know fifty million people see something or have a million people like, you know, you want people to see it. But that's not why I wanted to be an actor or director, or I do movies that I liked we're really complicated adult even really funny movies, like Preston Sturges, or you know. I like to laugh too. But I like things to have both in it. I like things that have both in it. And I've done a lot of great plays and theater, and that should have both in it too. So that's where I really live. But I don't look down. I think it's hard to do those things it is. And it's very physical and stuff. So something really topical right now. Definitely want to discuss is. I don't know. How tuned in your have you seen the net. Flicks stuff. Steven Spielberg's talked about it. But Steven Spielberg was. Yeah. I mean, he he's in a very rarefied position to talk about it. I mean, a lot of a lot of directors looking to have their films financed. I don't I love going to see movies. I agree with. I don't know what he said. Actually, I didn't read it. But I know that he feels they shouldn't be streaming me Oscars. That's a whole thing. The oscars. It's like to me, the Oscars are not the movie business. Yeah. That's an award. That's given the something. So that has to be put into perspective. Also, I think just to be ninety day window, but a lot of big directors are going to net flix because they get into financing score people are seeing their films. So if you don't you he I think has always gone to studio route. So he's you know, he's you say Spielberg it's in that. Basically, there's one guy that's that. That's it. You know, most directors have to go and get the money, you know. Koppel it together. So without the money can make a movie. Yeah. And is different ways. People saying things. So I think things are changing. I hope the movie experience continues a hope Netflix, maybe enlarges that you know, when they do that. But they did do Roma which was an amazing film. And I just I I went to see twice in the movie theater once when my kademi Gordon once I paid for. But so I'm really happy. They made that movie. I don't know who would have made that movie. So I don't wanna come across. I know. That's right. Who would have seen this movie just in theater? That's right. And so I think he has a point of view. And and everyone has you know, to quote, great film director, John Renoir, everyone has their reasons, you know, and that's the terrible thing about life. You know? So I don't I don't know I still want to be able to see films. But let's let me say one thing that these big blockbuster films that came out in the seventies and stuff, they also ghettoized serious movies. When I was younger and serious movie came out, you know, I waited online to see it. It wasn't just raiders of the lost ark. Which I never waited online to see. So I saw it. But I don't wait on line. But so I think movies used to be into cultural conversation in what a cooler conversation and now TV has replaced moving. That's what people talk when when I did night of everybody was talking about it. The place. You don't I mean that was in the. Maybe because they wanted to who the murderer was, but I think it was more than that. They were seeing a city and a reflected in all its diversity. So I think people are doing more challenging things that way, it's very hard to do a serious film. So if someone's going to give you money to do it, and you guys are going to watch it. Yeah. You have a choice to go. Hopefully, you know, I mean, the Coen brothers work would net flix. Yeah. Just like Roman with the Irishman will be I. It was for a little bit. But Roma's was of course, as is going to have a bigger released, but they got to make movie, so they would be an interesting person to people to ask that question to a movie about an indigenous woman, who's a made exactly I mean, big story on it was I mean, I found movie really I'm not moved that way. And I was deeply deeply moved. Did. You wanna ask them? The best pitcher question. Academy. But I'm going to tell you. I really liked Roma still down twenty eighteen for you. I like black klansman a lot too. I also liked Cold War capper name. I liked. I like to star is born action to. Sam elliott. Right, right. My my man, but I like to tell you movie fully Lazaro. I liked eighth grade. You know, there was a. Yeah. It was I mean, they were you know, but I thought the world lot of really great foreign films this year. I have to strong intention. I thought that was a really every film in their burning Korean film. Shoplifters know really really strong. So yeah. Well, you got a great project Loria bell opening March eighth which is Friday. Wow. It's. Fine by but it is. We really appreciate your time. Thanks a lot guys. Excellent. Not killing asking about best pictures. I don't think we're supposed to say. Well, who is what I voted for whatever. But you know, you come knocking on our door. He got my kademi car taking. I can't tell you what I liked. Okay. Big. Thanks, John two zero. Lot of fun drinking a fucking artisanal hot chocolate the whole time. Just stunting on us dressed to the nines conjecture. I look in was wearing a shirt dumpy knives where to Zoot abundant. We have a fucking picture. I guess I could look at the picture. But no, he was wearing a very nice not. He looked good. He was very welcoming in a very nice, man. And as you heard the interview refuse to tell us we voted on for the Oscars. I mean like almost didn't even get the question of my mouth. Just like, no, I'm not telling you, I respect that one day someone's going to crack, and then they're gonna come and kill us because they're gonna have their voter car taken away. But regardless fun stuff from John Carroll. We we had a we had a real good time. All right drill. Redo what you're gonna do tried again, folks. All right. It's time for that thing. You'll know in love we had the idea last week to do a draft. What are we going to drop we got captain marvel? So we might as well go into famous captains famous. Captain draft. Jeff all the after you love throughout the years are all eligible as long as their captain for this draft. Real people may named captain real captains fictional caption captains, excuse me. So anyone's there for water is ready to go and pick a random name who the audience gets the first pick. This was website is really not happy. I've not white lifted them for fucking adblocker. But you know, what we move on. Anyway, there's the order audience, myself tro, Kenji Kendrick, you can snake. Get second pick in the second or first pick in the second round. So five rounds audience have the first pick so good for them think the last pick in the last time, we did this. They get captain America in standard. Nick yet. Expect the number one pick, right? I don't even have on my list cause I wouldn't have a chance to take. I don't even have in my pool. I didn't think. I didn't get him. I'm taking captain crunch. I think captain crunch delivers the so often or Koeppen it's called who. No. Because now. Not even attending brunch. Are you? Sure, he's a actual captain. You just don't go cabinet to subvert it. Damn it. No, you can go. I'm just being pedantic. Don't even look it up. I don't I don't care that much dude. Carrying crunch the pig. Okay. I'm just having their fill. My pick is my pick is captain crunch because he's a civically crunch berries. If you eat the regular, captain cruncher fucking lunatic. You're the captain crunch video game for P C that they put into the cereal boxes. No. But everyone talked about that the other day when I tweeted about it. I've really oh so much fun. I'm gonna pick pick captain Picard. Fuck you, captain John look for the card just on look Picard. John John, gene luck card because that's who I think Kim Jack was gonna pick. And I I want that due to my team. Now, he was not in my top five. Oh, so well, it's still like I still like Jean Luc Picard. So okay up now. Right. Okay. So my number one pick is a Jack Aubrey from master and commander love that movie at the good, captain, he managed to capture a much bigger ship in whenever that was the drama or something in enjoyed that movie quite a bit when all-time dead movies. A second pick another woman. This guy's actually part kept in Flint from black sales black sales when my all time favorite shows Ketan, Flint really manipulated everything around him to like at an expert level to try and make sure that a pirate state free and not under the British yoke and not everyone appreciated him for his efforts, especially John silver, Gaza, real dickhead, sometimes until you realize what the grand scheme of things was. And so that's my pick. Kemp Flint great guy a watch black sales. If you have a star subscription inspiration for the song at the end of the pot. I'm now going to play sail by a wall nation. Never gonna pick my song. That's the intro. I not at your show. All right. So so far captain America, captain crunch, captain, John, Luke, or look Bacar, depending on who you are on. Then captain, Jack Aubrey and captain Flint trail second pick and around to who you got the sea-captain from the Simpsons are my leg is gone pick left accommodate a pair of your Kuzmic man reference. I'm going to select I gotta get comedies. Well, captain, Jean mock. I believe how you pronounce it. And that would be Michael Keaton's character from the other guys one of the funniest comedy. I've ever seen with his TLC references working bed bath and beyond. Oh scene where he calls him, captain, Tuesday's don't call mccaddon. Gene makes something I forgot he said that just really funny. Yeah. We do we love that fucking movie. We are big time fence, and it's a great character. So easy pick for me audience next pick. I mean, whatever is a basic team, captain, Jack. Sparrow, they're gonna picks. And that means they're number three. They get it. They beat Ken Jack to captain solely sullen burger good the audit. You want him? No. I didn't want kept. I list of worse captains on my on my sheet to and he's to a in. It's like great job landing the plane doing your job, dumb shit neutron not hitting geese. Yeah. Ugly, ugly. If you met him would you call them, ugly, absolutely calm person. My pick. I'm gonna go with a childhood favourite these books. I always said I read them. I never did it because I'm a battery and that's capping underpants. Oh, I love captain underpants. And I think I liked it for the the novelty of being crude at a young age, you edgy and bad. Ask you reading captain this fucking Bourbeau looking guy underpants superhero absurd looking human being this guy was. I actually the the movie wasn't all that terrible. But I like captain underpants. Even though I never actually read the books because I couldn't read well still can't all right true. Also, a favourite for my childhood. Jeff, captain, stab from reality cakes. That's a great pick. Favorite sea-captain, who only really seems to know how to captain small speedboats in punt invo. It's gonna stuck how to put it on the graphic. PG picture. I mean, if I actually I met to make an amendment they can get a Johnny sins in here. I wonder if he was ever a captain anything. How how do? Get this picture of. Damn it. I do. Quick three to captain anything. Make sure he was in. I miss out on picking Johnson's really pissed off. Now, shoot is a firefighter but not technically captain all right off the come back to that later. My number three, captain. All right. Go ahead. Number three, captain rooks from Star Wars. Clone wars low Rex he was an all time, captain. He's also technically I think he's in comas for the movie right for a split second or making that up. In. Oh, actual Star Wars. Yeah. Rex is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was no way. No. It's commander Cody shit. Rex for Cody or Rex Rex was in return of the jet. I actually and cannon really Kennedy appears. Yeah, it's one of those weird things that they did is then in canon. Yeah. Nice. Well, kept in Rex captain. My next pick Koeppen John price from the call of duty franchise is great captain soap mactavish, not as good captain. Just the turn on the team or get killed or something. John price served. No, no, John. Openly mcevers so pest complicated history. I'm gonna try and get into the lower of soap matab. He is weird cat. It's more than you can technically aspertain it's more than I could try to explain him one podcast up. But I'm going captain, a captain John price. He's also in some of the other call DC's. He's great love and love his handlebar moustache die ruled captain who some clear John price price. Okay. An actor. Don't want your blessings yet. Fuck trill. What's your next pick is p g I thought we were doing three doing five. In famous captains captains famous captains. Dude. Hold on captain, captain that we're doing three dude the rundown specifically, captain Jack from the Billy Joel song. Okay. I could pick. Okay. I'm gonna have to pick captain planet. Go a captain planet can't plan if my pick there, I don't wanna pick camping Kirk audience gets captain marvel marvel is there are there last pick in round four and then with their last pick in the captain draft. They're going with Kurt. Russell captain Ron Ron final which is not what I thought would happen ever. That's going with actually had a prediction for who can Jack will pick. I'm not sure to you're gonna pick now based on with this bit sounds like my last pick. I'm going to go into the realm of football and pay former cornerback for the Carolina Panthers, captain modern. Going to just kind of span the globe. They're of different things kept planning keping underpants gap in Jean-Marc from the other guys captain crunch chill rounded out for your team. I'm gonna take L capitan from the resell free solo. Okay. That's good. That on the fly you made maybe the best picket. Fucking rock formation stab pretty good. Can check last pick. So able to tactically Asir tain if Joni sins has been a captain, I did see one. Just picking can't I can't. Reporting duties, so the graphic is to funny you have to pick him booking. Look, there's one picture. He's an astronaut, and they'll have to assume that at one point he was a rank of captain before he got to be a flight engineer. So I'm only assuming he had some point was a captain for becoming an extra. So I'm thinking I could be him. If not it would be captain Malcolm Reynolds from firefly. But I think when Johnny sincere. If you want to okay, if you if you would've not done this. This is great because the graphic I would've it would've been captain Phillips. I'm surprised it wouldn't have been captain nemo. Beleaguered extraordinary gentlemen, dude. Fuck that guy that moves so God damn bed. I'm mad at you guys thinking that was good. I've seen it like twenty times. I know it's bet telling you, I thought you liked it. No, I ate leaves extraordinaire gentle. Yeah. You guys are the ones that said you liked it notice that we liked it. Somebody definitely said they said you liked it. I said it was terrible. Maybe I said, I enjoyed how stupid it was Hakin. J jump Neeson's. Oh god. Fuck you. When you you come bleed bummbly like a bummer fly. That's gonna be. Nature's way of saying good morning on. No come. These fucking cockeyed Fook. Apps shots way. All right. We gotta recap B's audience captain America, captain, Jack. Sparrow, captain, silly, captain marvel captain Ron I have captain crunch captain Jean maw, captain underpants, captain planet cap in modern Troas, captain Gianluca Picard sea-captain captain stabbing. L the L capi tan, Ken, Jack has captain Jack Aubrey Catherine Flint, captain, Rex captain John price and Johnny. It's not captain anything Johnny since it doesn't have kept it in front of his name. Let's make it when you do the graph. Make sure it's astronaut Johnny sins specifically or could be the army Johnny since your choice. I'm going to tweet a picture of it now, say ways gentleman, captain Joni sins are a t- Dutt Jonathan's Armageddon logo on this. Johnny sense, Armageddon Armageddon. Twos in the works. What do you think people? Hitting this money shot in. All right. That's that's what I'm that's what I'm going to do. Let's see if I can do it before the end of the Pont anything anything you wanna talk about get into here. No. I think we've gone way up the rails. We did we what was the rails that we went off on wasn't Johnson's or captain stabbing kept instead captain stab and was like the quarter on the rails that caused the train to jump. And then. The. The bridge. We fell off of Johnny since you wanna tag him. Yeah. Tag, Johnny sins in an telling you respond, and then we'll get we'll get more likes. All right here. I'm going to send you the pictures. We can get a live reaction sending it over. Now. So tweet this. Yes, okay. Context on this is going to be completely lost until people. Listen to the episode twenty because I know they're people follow do not use Recode tweeted it. Let's go. That's that's become don't talk about. I love tweeting the one thing during the also, by the way, the fuck. What's that circle? Mean called the summoning circle. How many circle did? Okay. Three. We re tweet seven hundred seventy six I thought it was this one right here. I'm showing you guys in the camera. Nice, dude. Nice. All right. Lissette, along if we if we do memes. Damn nice inside scoop. Congrats johnny. Someone replied seriously who is asking for this not everything needs to seek. Well, these are going to be good clients Instagram is working poster read fucking still broken. Crazy. Good episode. We're off the rails from the gecko. Hope you enjoyed it triple frontier next week. Interview on Sunday next week with the broken lives or God's Steve. Lemme John Farber, very fun. That's it for Kenya. Control. I'm Jeff low. We will talk to you on Sunday. Respond to catch about strangers. Find out from back in. At exit wiz them. I just tell the. Stress counting. Sarasin in just. Good. On the. I just want to. Good. I just wanna. 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