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Meet The Author -One Song At A Time - Bruce Rits Gilbert - Tribute To John Prine

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Meet The Author -One Song At A Time - Bruce Rits Gilbert - Tribute To John Prine

"I love the music of john prime. And we'll talk about on this episode of the mind. Dog tv podcast And welcome. I says yet another episode of the mind. Dog tv podcast. I'm matt napa. thanks for coming. It's great to have you here as always we're gonna talk about the late great. John prime today Most folks who know me and Foued me over the years no. I'm a huge fan of john. Cryan berry influenced by him. And what i love. Most about him was his The simplicity of the melody and Music the backing music that he put together into songs. He did not go out of his way to try to Impress musicians he was more a concern with touching the hearts of listeners than impressing musicians with a lot of fancy arrangements in Chord progressions and things like that basically very roots type of guy very much a poet laureate And i always appreciated that. Sadly he was one of the first Celebrities that i that i was aware of that. From cohen. I think it's coming up on a year now anniversary of his death and so It's a good time to kind of talk about him. Plus my guest today is written a book about him so we'll be happy to talk to him about that and he's also my guest. Today has also started a musician. Career music career. Pretty late in life Which is kind of what the show is. Really kind of all about two. It's encouraging people to do what they want with their lives before it's too late at any age Just go out and do what you love to do. And so my guess is one of those people who Reconnected with something that He wanted to do and he's out doing it. And we applaud them for that so that should be an interesting part of the conversation as well before i bring him in. I need to quickly talk about my sponsors Today's show is brought to you by fun. Wise capital as capital business lender matching platform. That get you the best credit lines guaranteed you can apply online and sixty seconds or less. 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Rich gilbert is a musician although he's not sure if he's really musician because he's only been doing it for a few years and i will help them define that when we get a chance to talk to him and he was a corporate lawyer for thirty years or more And that's a tough transition to make but he's written a book. Now inspired by john apprentice guests prinze deaths Over over this lockdown period. Him kinda hard. He's written a book called john. Prime one song at a time. Ladies and gentlemen please put your open your ears. Open your minds. And help me welcoming brusca ritz gilbert. My tv podcast. I welcome. Thanks so much i appreciate it. I almost said put your hands together and give them a big round of applause. Like people can actually do that. I i'm doing this. I guess too much that it's kind of bleeding into my life performance life and everything else but it's great to have you here. Thank you so. As i mentioned you were a lawyer for thirty. Plus years what What was the inspiration for first of all becoming a musician in the past Several years. I don't know how many it's been but several years seven years is about right I mean i've always been a music fan I saw the beatles when i was ten years old and Milwaukee wisconsin And i just bought every beatles record as they came out and it was just a real music fan like a lot of us. I think up in the late fifties and sixties music was around all the time. And i to all the time but i never had the courage maybe to actually learn how to play the guitar A lot of air guitar but never picked up a real one. Then the years went by and life luzon the job and you get married and you have kids and you do all those things. And i just never decided to be a musician. Although i was involved in music. I was on the board of the public radio station here x. Pm which is one of the leaders in aaa radio in playing progressive rock and roll and the like so. I was around music a good bit but never did it And the story is a fairly simple. I was at my mechanic's christmas party. Which is just a bunch of mechanics. Who i'm good friends with. The mechanic named dick cost of lived around the corner. They were by four mechanics and dick's nephew index nephew is a guy named matt. Lions and matt is a a really good guitar player and he teaches it so i was talking to him about it and i think i was fifty eight or fifty nine at the time. I said you know. I've always wanted to learn how to play guitar I really should do it so he gave me his card which i sat on for literally a year and then i called him. I said matt remember me. I'd really like to learn how to play guitar. So i started a to learn how to play with matt. Then and seven hundred or so years later I'm very mediocre guitar player. But matt has taken place where i write songs. Matt plays all the difficult guitar parts on the records that i've make and We make and i've gotten involved with a couple of other really good young musicians. Who help us record. And that's that's how it happened. Well are just to be clear. Because i know on your on your website it says. Are you really a musician like you're questioning whether you're missing. Anybody who makes music is a musician that that's that's the bottom line definition. That were we stick around here. You don't have to be You know a school You know somebody who studied it their whole life as long as you are making music. You are musician so welcome. Welcome to the fraternity. Kate that You know it's it's. I think because i was not one for so long was hard to kind of admit that i really am well. You know prime prime wasn't a great technician. He wasn't a great You know co arranger or producer or any of that stuff. He was really a simple man. Simple songs simple melodies simple lyrics heartfelt lyrics but very simple simple guitar plan. So i don't think you have to be complicated. I don't think skill is a good thing to have. But it's not necessarily to to be a musician in in a lotta ways. Well you have to do have music in your heart and soul and wanna bring it to life. I think that's right. And actually john cryan been john bryan fan for almost fifty years. He was one of the. Inspirations that made me wanna play music. I remember him saying on many occasions You know. I really only play records which was not really true but most of the songs on a three chord songs. That's you know is a is an old country musician. Harlan howard once said good country. Music is three chords and the truth right. That's what john cryan is. Abc foods folks are that not all but most of the songs are that. And when i started to learn how to play guitar with matt in all of a sudden i could play one chord in two three. I said wait a minute. I can play records. I bet i could play a john. Price song i went out and got myself john pride songbook and started fiddling through his songs and realize i could play most of them and then that's really what inspired me to practice and get better and better and i wanna come back to the prime and basically focus on him in a second. But you said you saw the beatles live now and you were ten years old So i'm guessing probably had a parent take you there. I had a parent who bought the tickets. I went with my older cousin. And my older brother okay. And what's the screaming. insanely loud. d Do you do you remember it. Vividly first of all they do remember vividly screaming. We were sitting on the left side costs but on the on sort of the stage left and the screaming was really loud. And i remember at ten years old knowing about the screaming because i had heard the screaming on the show. But i'm looking around thinking. Why did we listen to the music. Why are you doing i. It's hard for ten year old kid to get that that behind me. If you can see it is the program impact why this is important to me. And you're probably not aware of this but Recently i've been. I was made aware of a greatest conspiracy theory. And i'm a kinda guy who You know i. I'm interested in conspiracy theories but i like to debunk the ones that are just plain nonsense silly in one of the ones that is and no not going to believe this when i say it One of the ones that is around now is that beatle mania was a made up thing. It didn't really happen. And i was like i live that life i was there. I know it happened. And so i wanted to hear from somebody who actually at his show to say. Yes beatle mania. In fact it happened and you may not can choose not to believe we landed on the moon but you better believe beatlemania. What's happened i. I don't believe in many conspiracy. Theories are around these days. But i never heard that one. That one i know is not true. Yeah eddie bravo. Brought it up on joe rogan podcast recently. And i i you know it's one of those things like when you're watching television and you just want to shout at the tv you can hope they can hear you like. Are you kidding me. You're saying needle mania didn't existent was all a fabricated thing by television networks. And it's it's just bizarre. How people will just tend to make conspiracies out of anything now unlike. What was the greater purpose of that conspiracy. So back to the prime. Now you're right I think Not only from The playing part of it but also the singing part of it. You don't have to if you're going to emulate on prime and i think this is important and it's a lesson i took me i'm in my sixties now. Took me all my life as a musician to kind of understand what people mean by finding your voice cry. A prime didn't go out of his way to try to sing things You know you wouldn't find him catching catch him. A journey or led zeppelin type of. He just sung whatever he could the notes that we're in his range whatever he could feel and didn't try put too much effort into china. Fancy it up too much. It was just a simple meli using the voice that god gave him and nothing special. And i don't think you have to be spent to emulate that it's true you know. I think john prime would be the first to tell you that. He eats nothing particularly special about his voice. Although it had a very unique in charming sound to it and it becomes infectious after awhile and as you know it changed dramatically over the years in part because of age because of his throat cancer that he had nineteen ninety eight. I did not know he had don't cancer in one thousand nine hundred. I can't believe that. That's a fact. I did not know about Was fairly serious but he. They caught it early and That's why you may have noticed. You know after after that he had a fairly big Like a better word hole in his neck or indent and he was often tilted to the side. If you look at more recent videos you'll see that that happened just as he was recording The duets album that he did in nineteen ninety. Eight ninety nine. Do you remember the first John song you heard or that made you say wow this is this is something different. I want to listen to it do. It was the first song on the first album. It was illegal smile and it was You know as as i tell reduction of the book. I it back in the day. We had albums and all of us had a few albums and this was a. I was a freshman at the university of wisconsin and it was kind of common to two people going dorm rooms and taking other people's albums and trading in borrowing or taking never returning an. I ended up with john album Spring semester nineteen seventy-three and this was the his debut album fry which had come out in nine hundred ninety one so there were two years of john primes recording career that i did not know we existed but i put this out of mine and it was illegal smile and the first songs like let's file and it was just. I was awestruck. As soon as i heard it said this is amazing And i was sort of leaning towards country rock a little bit more than sort of psychedelic sound which was coming around in those in those days in so that song just Started me and then i. I kept that album for many months. Until i had to return it and then i literally went to the record store and bought john's first three albums listening to them nonstop. Ever since the experience of of albums is a bygone thing. And i think you're right that's one aspect of it I forgot about or you. Don't think about as much which obviously is never going to happen again. In the era of digital music is that our owing the stuff from your older brother from your friends and never returning or lending it to your older brother or your friends and never getting it back and all that kind of stuff. But some there was a lot of Cross-contamination evidence wise. It also gave you a little bit of the collective experience. People would listen to the same albums at the similar time in history. And i think that's why we all know songs from the late fifties and sixties into the seventies. I think that's harder now that because everyone listens to so many different things digitally out there are meant there clearly are pop songs that everyone's gonna know from this era but i think twenty or thirty years from now It's it's not going to be as clear what the collective memory is. We'll all have different memories of what you know. The two thousand and twenty were in terms of music. It's different i. I miss the era of the album. And even the cd. I mean when. I when you know. We're making a new cd now or new record now. And i'll put it out. Let's see but i know most people won't listen to it that way. They'll listen digitally which is and that know they'll get algorithm so one song and then maybe a week later they'll hear another song and they won't hear the album in order that it was made. And i think john price is a great example of that. If you listen to john albums you all the way through. They just have a rhythm to it. And it's their remarkable right. I agree and i think across the board Albums were meant to be played as an hour long. Were almost an hour long experience. And when you get with these one songs and there's nothing wrong with if you like this song listening to that song and listening to a mix tape of several songs. Dj style. There's nothing wrong with that but it's not the same experience as being engaged in the hall of the piece of art that the artist put together and i think that that was the biggest thing that i miss about The vinyl days that nine know vinyls coming back. I don't have vinyl player. But to your point i don't have a cd player except in my car to. I'm as guilty as many listening to music digitally. But i try to listen to albums from front to back sometimes because it wanted it lets you hear how the artist put the music together into it gives you chance to hear the songs that you otherwise might skip. You put together Mix tapes or playlists. You're going to put a few of your favorite songs on there and an example on john parents first album. There was a song called far for me. Far for me was far from my favorite song. When i first heard that album You know i listened to it a few times and it was not but as years went. Fine i listened more of us recognize the brilliance of that song because i had the album and i listened to it had i just been doing digitally might have ignored that. So while and that's on now appears at the back of my book. When i was about seven eighths of the way through the book. I finally decided. I'd make a list of my favorite john prime songs because there were so many other list out there i thought would be valid as any of them and I think far from become to number seven on that list and had i made that list many many years ago it would not far from me would not have even been on the list. Yeah i agree. And there are songs that He he did that Very much inspired me. But i kind of think like he kind of opened the doors for me and i'm wondering if this is about the kind of things that you can write about because before i got exposed to john brown. Of course it was dylan. Who wrote about Things that i didn't understand so much. Dylan's were kind of of so deep sometimes for me that that i had to kind of Think about them way too much whereas prime was kinda guy who was very simplistic in the words he used but the meaning was very deep and the song that that got turned me onto him and made me wanna right like him with sam stone and i thought well I got educated about the fallout from the vietnam war. It through a song and what what what it meant to the people who come in home from it and i thought well that's not a love song that's what you were hearing on. The at the time was everything with love songs or a baby. Done me wrong songs. All that kind of stuff So i think he opened the doors for me as a writer with the to what what could be written about as a as a writer. Are you kind of following a are. You still inspired by that is that what is pushing the rights on the absolutely in part i mean i i have often said i. I aspired to write a john prime like song. I don't i've never gotten there. I don't know that i'll ever. We'll get there but he had a way of Turning a phrase and making a serious topic serious but maybe humorous at the same time he also with sam. Stone is a great example. It is an anti war song but really. He's putting his war sentiments into a pro veteran song right so he really remarkably puts words together. That make you think but also as you say. They're not quite as poetic. And maybe deep. Innocence as bob dylan. Yes shakespeare's cat. And all that kind of stuff. I mean i. I don't want to try to decipher it. That's what i loved about. Prime was he. He didn't say shakespeare's catty said john at all. And i said yes. No no he he wrote you know wrote a what sounded like a happy song about paradise paradise which is one of his famous songs. But that's about the destruction of a coal town in how our town where the co people came in and destroyed the destroy the beauty of the town And he your flag. Decal won't get you into heaven anymore. We sort of a funny Bluegrass folk country song. That really is kind of ripping to shreds all these people who start waving the american flag often for the wrong reasons so he had a way of Been quite political But without being in your face about it without be without alienating the merle haggard of the world who were at the time we're very right wing in like shut up. You dumb hippies new draft. Yeah yeah and i think the other people who were in his jonah. I guess kind of did Get that You know hippie. you know. Anti-american hippy stuff. With john ryan could still be seen as somewhat patriotic but or sing about politics without really getting anybody questioning as patriots rape. Patriotism is i think is a better way to put it. And i think i might that about to great just a fabulous guy. Now i want to ask though The book did you start writing it immediately when you heard about his death. What what was the mechanisms. I mean did you have a period of Wow that this is one celebrity deaths that has hit me really hard. Well yes we answer. It did john. Prien was by leaps and bounds. My favorite singer songwriter. And for many years. I've listened to him again since nineteen seventy-three consistently he's always been on my turntable or mice. In my cdc player or on my digital music um you know had dalliances with other singer songwriters and bands and groups and there's a whole lot of other people that i liked john. Prime has been a consistent. I've seen him in concert many times. I mean nothing like you know the people who followed the grateful dead around. But i probably save twenty five times over the years you know. He was in my neighborhood somewhere close. I go see him. and what happens. I i knew that he had covid. And i was the early days of cope. This was late march of literally almost a year ago so we didn't know quite what happened with people. People were starting to die but the big surgeon death sentence get come but i still was worried and then i got a puzzle on my phone that he had died on april seven of two thousand twenty and my wife and i were watching a movie. You know turned it off. And i was just you know just it felt like a dear friend had died and my immediate thought was. I just wanted to listen to his records from front to back. I was going to just start with you know john. Brennan just listened to everyone every song. And as i started that i thought maybe it would be more fun to do it. Not fun as maybe not the right for more meaningful to do it with some other folks and of course. This was the beginning of zoom era. So i gathered my daughter's a three daughters my number of my nephews. Who are john. Prime fans prepping brothers-in-law and a couple of other stray folks. Who were john cryan fans and said you wanna perform what. We'll call the john ryan album club and we'll listen to a record every week and then we'll talk about it on escapes. We did on thursday nights and these guys also yes. We started to do that so we listened to the first album. And we talked. Tournament went song by song. Talked a little bit about it. A couple of those picked up tires and sang sang. One of the songs from the album. And i realized Not to belabor. The starts to long. But i realized that i sort of became a teacher and they became the students sort of doing a little bit of research about each of the records and All the songs on records. And then i realized that that research although wasn't overly difficult. There's a lot of stuff about john prien on the internet. It was all over. The place was scattered all about and there was a or is a an unauthorized biography of john. Brennan that was done in. I think two thousand fifteen which is pretty good. But that was more about his life. And i really wanted something about his music. And you know it's just a review here and review there and a commentary here and another one over there and there was some of his liner notes. And i thought maybe if i put that altogether and just sorta go song by song near. Maybe there's something to right here literally sat down and it was during a good bit of time At home and i i started writing. I took that went to the first album. Went to the second and just wrote blurbs of a few hundred words to maybe a few thousand words on each each psalm. you know ended up with this And it's so literally as one song time. It discusses each album song by song from the first album. John prying to his last single. I remember everything with a whole lot of tangents along the way to title makes sense now one song at a time it talks about every song in one way or another some discussion much details. Some have quotes from john. Prime some quotes from interesting reviews some have quotes from people who have had something to say that it was interesting some have my own thoughts And then you know some go on. Tangents did a lot of duet so when you singing with iris dement. I'll tell you a little bit. How we talk when he phil everley sang with him on song called. You've got gold. So i'll tell you a little bit about every and i'll tell you about the the everley brothers concert that i saw back in nineteen seventy one. You know so. I go on little tangents and give you a little nuggets and tidbits and try to you know. Put the music in context So that's really what it is. That's how it started. I think it it has a place. I have no doubt that other people will write biographies of john. Bryan i'm guessing. Oh boy records will do that. But this focus different. It's not a biography. It really what his music. Yeah i. i'm not so sure. I don't say you're Belief in that's a lot of people are going to write about him now. I mean i. I love the guy but i think Culturally times of change in our generation. Sadly is Long for this world and i. I'm not sure that the younger people are the attention span or Decided to get into deeper music because if you look at lyrical content of music today It just shallow. It's really show. I don't know. I think i'm pretty sure that. Oh boy records is going to do something. i one of our john album club sessions. Eileen tilson. Who is the marketing director at. Oh boy records joined us and she gave us a lot of insight and information. So when i had this idea about doing book i talked to. I lean and she said you know bruce. Go ahead. I hate to be a wet. What mike it. We really can't get involved because we're doing our own biography of john swimming. They are and i haven't. I haven't seen anything about it. I haven't seen him to just as you know as a lie as a lawyer. You notice People will tell you that sometimes in that at just the way to blow you off. I've gotten that kind of response and then and waited years and said they never did anything about that. I have a couple that i was thinking about this morning where people told me a year and a half ago. They were working on a certain project which is why they couldn't Comment on jimbo. Jim croce biography. I was working on seven years ago. contacted his his wife and said which would she be willing to do a Interview with me. And she said no. They were working on their own biography. It was going to be produced by major Movie studio and all that and so here. We are seven years later. I don't know I actually just sent a couple of copies of the book to do. I leaned for her. And for fiona prien obviously interested in anxious to see if they like it. But i think it does. I think the book is very respectful of john. And i think it is it is. It is something that he would be proud of. And i think it's it's good for his legacy and if you read the book you know for those of you who ruled know a lot about john prime it will be confirming you. Will it will confirm for you out of what you already know. Although we'll also give you some nuggets probably that you didn't know 'cause. I know i'm john almost anybody. And i found out a zillion things when i was writing in saudi had cancer today i think most john prime fans probably know fact. He had cancer twice. He add this the throat. Cancer in nineteen ninety eight and then several years later he had lung cancer which turned out to be a very as i said i to say for him an easy fix apparently they went in and stick it out and it was not a very serious lung cancer probably had something to do with the covert killing him though because once you've had lung series lung problems. Covert takes more advantage sees it as a weakness in tax it It's probably true. I wanna ask you about the zoom meetings. Because if they're still going on. I want an invite. Are you still doing those who more. We finished every hour twenty albums. sam. I missed it. We've finished maybe we'll have a reunion. We'll get you. we'll get you in well. I would appreciate that if you ever do that now. You mentioned the word. Zoom era i. I'm wondering Do you think History books will denote this zoom support of an american history. They might. I don't know about you. But i did not know about zoom before this this what i call this who i had never had it. I had not had zoom meeting. I heard of facetime and skype. But i had not heard zoom. Maybe i was out of the loop. I don't know but it it seemed to be kinda come into its own. I'd been mostly. Zoom stuff was for business meetings. And i did a lot of You know remote work for a bunch of different companies. So i've been zooming for years. But yeah i i think since that was so when people said and i hate to get off on this tangent here but people were saying how cova destroyed every business every industry not so fast because stream it wasn't available before covert one. We're using here today. And now there are hundreds of people trying to get in so investors are going crazy to try to say well if this going to be the way of the future. Let's get in on it so it. Maybe this will be end up being this year. End denoted mystery books. You're the first one that actual Actually coined the phrase. I think the make sure you get credit for it. Well you will be on this show will. They'll they'll do video this right So now bruce. Gilbert detroit com bruce risk gilbert dot com is the website. I did not see a link to the book there. I did see it on amazon. And i'm gonna put that A link to the book on their It's probably a link to the to the book. Baby website okay right maybe it's the publisher that i used in the they. You know if rum in theory. I'm not even theory in practice. I get a little more money if people by the book there all. I'm not worried about that. I just care people by the book one way or another book fabius though a smaller bookshop. It's called book babies bookshops so i'd rather supports them. I suppose that amazon but if people are comfortable with amazon like my where dr. I will put the link to book baby stuff in the description. I did not have that here. I will find it. Oh after the show. I will definitely put that in the show notes to link to the book baby so i appreciate that and i look forward to reading the book. I haven't read it yet because I do seven authors a week. And there's no way i can keep up and i only found out about your book two weeks ago when i was approached with this Of a publicist. I guess who you're working with a contacted me said. Would you be interested in having somebody who's written a book about john brennan. I said absolutely a you know that. I might huge john prime fan and i always have been as far as The music not so much Keeping up to date with you know personal things in his life. I'm i've never been that way with celebrities but For for the music and the content always have been screaming. It's my book. This book is i mean you can read it straight through but it also a little bit could be a reference book. You can read it in arts and chapters. You don't have to read it all at once so you're busy with other books. You can read a chapter here in a chapter there. And i appreciate that and i. I liked the fact that getting somebody else's take on a song because you can get meaning from a song and think you know live with that your whole life but it's good to get other perspectives on what it means to other people's Presuming illegal smile was one of those his first song It became kind of a A smoking dope anthem because people thought that the illegal smile was a Marijuana reference and i grew up with the being an llc reference. well whatever. John said no nothing to do with that. All it was was him sitting there. Having his own smile is watching other people talk about something and him thinking something funny that no one else thought was funny. But he said he wasn't gonna rain on anybody's parade if they wanted it to be an anthem for forest Smoking weed or for lsd. Or whatever they had in mind was behind with him while well we used to play that About twenty years ago when With with the ban with loose play illegal smile. And i think everybody in the cat was under the impression we were singing about. Lsd people who had find memories of these. I guess you said otherwise. Wow i don't know if. I should be disappointed by that so you decided now to take guitar lessons and that you know that what is in your became a guitar player to songwriting. It's not something you studied a take lessons on now. How does that. How did that develop for you. It's still an ongoing process. I'm sure i mean. It is and britain in several dozen. I and we have The new album which is going to be rebranding are name to be ritz and the missing years of booze. What my grandkids. Call me in. Enriches obviously middle name. in the missing ears. It's no to john prime. So we're doing an album with a three covers including john price on we're doing that's the way the world goes round. Oh nine originals. And it's pretty good But then the song at again. That is very much. John bryan inspired. I you know get about because of three chords. So i can buy three chord songs fairly easily and i you know i studied his music and when i say studied i listened to it an awful lot in thought about an awful lot so it started to become second nature hearing his song and i started writing sort of based on what he was doing it using simple language tried to turn a phrase never successfully as him but some of the songs are coming up. Pretty good think they'll feel a little bit of radio play Th the new album is actually going to have some kid friendly songs but not kid songs as well as some rock and roll songs later maybe even a few that If the rock and forty fives could play. Listen to some of your stuff. It's good back. So i don't know songwriting. I'm being as inarticulate about it. I think is most songwriters. When i hear songwriters talk about it. They always say when. I read about this stuff. Most of them a. There's no formula that really works. There's no method exactly. It's just when as john pride. Say song truck comes and dumps a few on your on. You know how the sudden you wake up in the middle of night and have something that you to say. Austin ability comes to you and sort of start out with a little melody. I'm doing a refund guitar. And then i'll start doing some words I'll start thinking what i want to write about and You know. Come up with something. But i think it's i you know. Paul mccartney may do it very differently. Funny funny she mentioned that. 'cause i was thinking about it as you were saying it because of the fact of the matter is i have lots of sun way on here and i asked about the process. And you're right. It's different for everybody and For me it generally starts with An idea which becomes the title which is going to end up being my hook. So i'll get an idea and kind of create a title and once i got that in place i i'm i'm sure that log. That title is going to be the hook. Someplace in the song and righted around that but i saw mccartney on an interview with howard stern a videos watch on youtube and and howard stern asked him about his process and he said most of the time the words and music come together came to him at the same time so he would just pick up a guitar. Stop playing a make he put it make up a song like that and both words and music without putting any like almost like just channeling it from the radio which is incredible. And of course. That rarely happens your. Maybe it's happened once with me. I don't know one of the first ones that wrote was a song called ninety nine miles to philly which was really based on the time. My my middle daughter and her husband and my second born grandkid lived in brooklyn and it was pretty much ninety nine miles from brooklyn to And i think there's a pizza place or something called ninety nine miles to fill. And i thought well that's a that's a song so i did it kind of like you did it. I said that was that was that was the beginning and that became the hook and then i sort of developed a you know a theme around that which is really about me always getting lost. Every time i went to brooklyn But you know wanting to get home and it was just ninety nine miles to philly. That almost sounds like a john. Pine title on he wouldn't written about silly. You would have written about Nashville or chicago or fayetteville. He was from north carolina right. Now you'll price from chicago. Maywood is folks were from Kentucky which is how he wrote came to go to paradise from ulan burke county and His folks moved to chicago. I guess they moved to chicago. Area suburb That's it has released from. I don't know where i got the north carolina from. I thought maybe. I don't know i could've sworn that that that that was his home base or something like that. I'll go then moved to lived most of his later life most of his life. I guess national so before. Kobe outperforming I'm guessing you probably Lost a lot of that Due to covid are are you performing out now. Here's the thing about that. I rarely perform. I i have i do. We do met lines. And i always do. The bryn mawr twilight concerts Which is outdoor concert. Venue in bryn mawr pennsylvania which is pretty close to where i live and we always open for somebody much more famous than than we are This year if it goes forward will open for dr williams who we opened for a couple years ago. We opened for steve forber years ago. We opened for. Jonathan brooke And then i'll ever while. I'll do something else but not much. I'm i'm i am hesitant to perform live. I think my studio stuff is much much better. Probably the opposite of you and you know. I know that you guys do awesome. Lots of four hour sets bars. Which sounds very fun by the way in not anymore. It was for for many years but at this age i played a wedding la- friday saturday and sunday. I was recovering. Like i had just played in the super bowl and on the losing team With the bad defense and i was getting tackled. Every i don't i don't do much performing You know. I think for my grandkids. Sometimes say sing it against it again. Sometimes they say okay. That's it who that's enough and you know we'll kasur. I'll do something else. I do a little bar thing but not much And whether that picks up or not. i don't know so you know the good news is. Kobe didn't really stop me from doing much other than last. Summer's of remark twilight concert. That didn't happen when when you do perform are you doing strictly your original music or you turn into cover as a add almost always do john prime sol I am particularly fond of doing how lucky which one of my favorite john rhinestones which interestingly was on an album called pink cadillac which is probably my least favorite. John cryan album and the return book it has. It's just not an album that that really in any way compares to most of his other records except it has how lucky on it which comes out of nowhere. I'm not quite sure how how lucky ended up on there really. It doesn't fit at all anyway. So do that song. That's the way the world goes round We've done You know we'll do like sloop. John b Which is an folk song at the beach. Boys rocked up a little bit. So you know things like that. All right I agree with that al now to have any insight into what was going on in his life that just 'cause didn't feel like jon pran album Look at that. The examine that in the book like not not so much. I talk about the songs but again. It's not a biography. So i'm not talking that much about what's going on with him personally In that came out in a pink truck was what nineteen seventy nine so he was divorced from his first wife which was his high school. Who was his high school sweetheart and he would soon be getting married to his bass player. Rachel peer So i guess as he was in a wild time. The album was produced by. Sam phillips. Sons Sam phillips is elvis progress on sun. Records it kind of was produced by Knox phillips in his brother gerry phillips and they were pretty crazy. They just went. I think they recorded a lot of it. Just in the studio and five of the songs recovers and five of the songs were originals and many rituals were decorating the coverage. Weren't that great. And said. Sam phillips the legendary sam phillips of sun records did produce. How lucky and i don't know if that has to do with that standing out on the record but You know it. It's one of my favorite songs on one of my least favorite albums and mine. Too and It's interesting that we both have that. Because i noticed that too like something was amiss with that album. Just didn't seem to fit Just to put a fine point on this if you go to the next album storm windows. Many of the songs were written at the same time but it was produced Biden entirely different guy. And he you know whatever the opposite of of staticky is. That's what happened with store windows. It's real it's windows. One of the best records later. He made one of his best records. Ever with a lot of the material that was written in about the same time Yeah and i was gonna say you know what every break-up that i've ever a relationship like you mentioned he was it just been divorced That had been the most significant A creative times for me. And my life those i those tragedies and live with the heartbreaks and things that happened to you i i almost want wanted that to happen because it. It opened up a well of creativity for me. It was almost like. I live for those bad moments at at some point i. I'm wondering if he had any of that going onto it may be because he was. He was divorced around that a little bit before that time and it might be. Yeah just like in nineteen ninety-one the missing years which i think is one of his best records He was divorced from his second wife While he was writing a lotta those those songs as i mentioned the book as he said the song truck dumped a whole lot of Sad bitter breakup songs on there are four or five of them on that record. Write as a guy who seen him twenty five times. I i'm sure you're Add probably a twenty five times in had noticed it He's not just a musician. He was not just a A singer songwriter but he was also a storyteller and Part of that. I think That engagement with an artist. You go to see what that they'll give you some kind of banter with the audience and kind of make you feel invite you into their world war. I think that has been lost. And he had a lot of that where people just love to listen to them. Talk as much as they love to listen to him saying about correct. You are totally correct. He is He was a remarkable entertainer He would just had a naturally comfortable way about him and funny way you just was seemed like everything he would say would just be funny He had a way of introducing songs which was just remarkable. Some of which. I mentioned in the book but many of which you can hear on his live albums which highly recommended for folks who want to know more about john brine without some of those live albums. You'll hear some of the some of the introductions might think is live albums do a credible job of recreating a brian concert. It's obviously not the same but it's not bad for a long time. I was pretty much known for writing a lot of silly song. I mean i've written so many songs that it it's really hard to put me in a bag but people got the idea that a lot of songs of that i had written were kind of sillier novelty songs. I would call them and so with the band twenty years ago. I think we started playing just one night on a on a whim. I started playing Let's talk dirty in. Hawaiian and people were loved that song and we played it every time and never any mention of who song was and a lot of people assume that i had written that song until just last year i actually mentioned somebody said. I'll you got to check out one of his great song. What's it called talking. Dirty and hawaiian is now. That's john bryan song and so it. It's interesting that you know He had a lot of great music out there that the mass public did not really know about you. Know of folks and let's talk dirty. Hawaiian was not on an album During the original days it was put on. I think it was german afternoons and the cd when writing but it was not on the original. You know the vinyl. It was a single that he put out. It was a green agreeing single in green and white and red paper Cover with sunken cocoa on the back which is not very good sort of song. He talks his way through But let's talk to hawaiian. I thought was one of the best and funniest songs that you could buy from. Oh boy records by buying a forty five. I didn't even know. And i never even heard it recorded when i learned it. I only wanted from seeing him. Perform it live and said well. What a great song. That was in Farm enough time over one. Summer i think three or four times. I memorize the words. And you know. It's only a couple of court so it's easy to pick out the the arrangement of it a lot of credit for memorizing those words. It's a lot of different. A lot of sounds and words in their own at the at the the hawaiian stuff. I wasn't sure if i had gotten that right until years later. When i checked on the internet i would pretty close. yeah So writing the book As that kind of Inspired you to become more of an author now in pursue authorship boy i don't i don't know We'll see The john cryan was in my wheelhouse. I mean i. I say said i never met him. But i feel like i knew in certain respects I knew his songs no his songs. Pretty much backwards and forwards so writing a book about his music. His songs Again was right in my wheelhouse. it was It was fun to do as a labor of love. It was great. I would sit down. Get up in the morning. And start writing or typing. I guess as as we do and And i think too late into the night. It's just it was natural if there's another topic that that or something else that inspires me like john pine i would absolutely right. I mean. I think i can do that. But you know we'll see know this book by the way is not even out yet. It's out on march nineteenth. Officially i am by now right are on the book baby site you can pre-order it on any of the other sites gotten officially. It doesn't come out until march nineteen. So i'm not so much. They can about a second book and right now. We're working pretty hard on this new record that we're doing Boo grits in the missing ears. So we'll see. I mean i'd like to Writing was found. It was rewarding. It's kinda cool. But you know whether i can do it again and find something that That i can be successful at. We'll see a one. Is the projected release of the new new record. I would say man. I don't even know what holiday more row said record as like you know you don't even know what to call it anymore. Records and i'm working with In addition to outline soon as the great guitar player plays lead guitar There's a musician nick onto who Give a little shout out to. His group is called francis. Luca cord highly recommend them a a folk. Modern folk duo. I call them the second. Coming of simon and garfunkel. They're really very very good. That's high praise. Yeah not. I mean not particularly well known although they have toured nationally but francis look record has some great sunday recommended song called maria. So when you have time put on a song called. Marie i think you'll you'll you'll you might be blown away depending on what kind of music you like and listen to any one of francis. Look according to got him nick. He's half from francis with the court and he was living in philadelphia. I got to know quite well. And nick started producing produced our last record and he's producing this one since he's moved to boston. Because his girlfriend is a professor at brandeis but we you know now now everything could be done remotely so we are recording recording right here in. This room is my studio and nick record some things in his studio and we put them all together But nick county is just terrific young musician and francis looking for accorded a terrific group. So i've been very lucky to get nick to work with a written a couple of songs with him and he's added a lot to the songs that i've written. I think we'll have a long way of saying you know. Nick has some work to do to these songs ready and hopefully we'll have them ready to to be released at about may sue. The instrumentation is a little more than just two guitars. Now you have some like yeah. We have We have percussion. We have a bass player. Nick place banjo and mandolin. Roman knicks knicks New partner bryant ours is adding a mandolin them to vocals and nicholas at beautiful voice. He's adding some vocals. So we're fairly sophisticated. We've got a little oregon comes into a couple songs. And i'm yeah it's a full sorta rock production into i don. I wonder if he call marikana folk. Real mallorca yeah. I mean it's hard to describe. It's really sort of rock and roll at its core but it has some of the songs little little folk gear. I hate when people ask me. What kind of music is because you know what it's good music you listen to it and tell me what it is that too i mean you know i agree with that. I think john is like that. He certainly at folk singer of sorts but the country singer sorts. A rock and roll. Singer absorbs You know they've kind of combine that into an americana category which may be fixed. John prime fairly well. But it's hard to itchen whole right Before i let you go. I gotta let me ask you to comment on my brothers favorite jon. Prime song And you mentioned irish before Inspite of our lives can give me any commentary. 'cause my brother watches the show. He's he's a dump prime fan. But i know that's his favorite charity. It's in spite of ourselves. And john wrote that song for a movie that he was going to be in with For cutting the actor doesn't matter You know this was many many years ago. And then after they wrote that they decided to the album of duets and he He asked iris dement if she would join him on that duet and irish defense he. He apparently sent her a note of some sort and she didn't respond and then he finally called her. Said iris in a will you do this with me. And she said not. While my mother's alive it took a while to get it and you know and by the way those are the kinds of stories that are in the book very cool stuff. Thank you for that. Hold up the book one more time before we say goodbye in the book is called john prime one song in time. It's written by a bruce ritz gilbert. It's out his website is linked to in description. I will put the link to wake him by the book on book. Buddy com For for that. And i appreciate your time in which a great success and listen when when the record comes out whenever you calling it an album record digital download whatever it ends up being I would appreciate it if you come back and help. Let me help you promote it. When it is available for releasing lead piano. I would love that. Matt has been a real pleasure to be here. I love listening to your stuff and Your music is is good with great. I wish i was at the wedding last saturday. Night to see how appreciate that. I will get you a cd. 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Part1: Chris Kotulak, Nick Tammaro

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Part1: Chris Kotulak, Nick Tammaro

"Sirius XM FORD'S PRESENTS WITH STEVE HORSE. Racing handicapping interviews. This is stupid a very good Wednesday race fans and a not so great Wednesday for music fans and virtually anyone that is standing idly and helplessly as people we know people we don't know admire from afar and people who are friends and family of of people we do know are claimed by this insidious disease. There's two things I've got to do here in this opening segment and from the horse racing side. We'll spend plenty of time this morning. Looking at yesterday's fonder force out that instantly provoked frustration annoyance anger et CETERA. Et De cue that You know absolutely could've gone as a non call and let things stand. Seth Merrill later and Sat Scotto always has a great way to evaluate of always liked. Seth's INSTA- read on on objections and and inquiries instantly thinks to himself now. This is fifty fifty. This is sixty forty for no call. This is seventy thirty for take down. I'm I'M GONNA guess that that Seth's number on this might have been you know thirty for take down seventy for leave alone. Feels about right and I. I you know somebody that follow. I said it's De cue that you can marginally understand. It happens on a very difficult spot. Where the head on and the Pan. Do not give you exactly what you need. But they put up Taylor's Brent's and that You know instantly people. I suppose if this had happened somewhere else in the sequence people might not have been as as a gas than and as annoyed But to be honest later in the sequence you had the last two legs. You had two very difficult horses. So it's not as if I was taken down and you know then you couple of couple of chalky results in you think I would if it doesn't happen. I'm I'm a winner so fast because the last two winters one that the one that I did. Fine with indy and roses and Nick Tammaro told you to be aware of frankly fun and those two big prices really put the spurs that this sequence and it ends up paying eighty four hundred dollars so first of all congratulations to those that hit and you know that some of you may have the two one your ticket Taylor Prince and maybe Oh Chris fackler maybe Oh Chris. Fackler a salute You know I kind of standing up. I don't blame in the least Coda. Would and Dakota would is one of the you know. One of the better writers that at and I- nobody's obligated on the lead. We'll talk to Tony. Black probably about this tomorrow. John White later we'll have another steward viewpoint. Chris CA- to lack by the way is going to join us after the first break and crystal Discuss the And read from the stewards report. I want to address the stewards thing in a second. But I I'm I'm always mystified when a horse like this on the lead gets taken down for you know for basically tightening things up on somebody. That's trying to come up inside them. We talk and also listen You talk about drifting out and you know the hurting that goes on. That's a lot more subtle if or strikes to go to your outside and you just keep drift drift Jif drift and make it as hard for that horse to pass you on the inside it it always seems to be morgue regis and there's more visual to it but I for my part I for my view I stand I leave. Where'S RUFUS UP? I you know I. I see people saying you know He. He drew off well. Yeah he drew off because the horse that was his prime foe in the setting almost came to a complete stop. It don't don't for a minute. Pretend that when that happened on the turn. You didn't say to yourself as you were watching and I said to myself there's going to be an inquiry here and then immediately and I do. WanNa ask Chris that because I did not see where and I was just watching. I was watching on the Laptop. As opposed to TV. I I didn't see where they lit the inquiry lamp. I only saw the objection. Light up I don't know if they added the inquiry or not but anyway you knew immediately and then when the thing was not dismissed quickly you knew they were debating it and you know they kept looking at at the the is actually more useful than a the head on the because it literally is in that. That blind spot. That's impossible to see so the other thing I want to mention about the stores for people say all fonder. This is why this is a C. Track on that. Don't pretend for a second that we have been had calls very similar to this at at at the biggest race tracks in the country. I because we have so that part of it is is just ridiculous and if you if you somehow think that the stewards that the Nebraska stewards are people that they picked up off the street. You'd be wrong about that too. You're talking about Bob pollock. Who has been in the game his entire life those of you in Texas? No him from the founding of Tama and Iran retirement for fifteen years. There's nothing he hasn't done in the game hub Bob Pollick is as respected steward as there is amongst the steward community Then it's Ca cheever who's been around twenty five or thirty years in the steward stand and Doug Shaw. Who's the WHO's the racing secretary and another guy that that that's been the stand and has been on the racetrack? These are not people that are inexperienced. And don't know what they're looking at etc. In fact I think dot Doug was died. Doug was a a jockey actually early on but But Bob pollock. Who's the St Stewart? And that's the other thing was a state steward and then to our finer appointees different every at every jurisdiction but anyway at. Don't don't think that the people that were looking at that replay didn't know what they were looking at. Because they're highly experienced at Bob. Pollock I was at I was at Arizona this year. He received the Peterson Award. Lifetime lifetime achievement as a as an official. So I just yeah that part of it. You disagree with the call. You think. It's Oh it's it was a terrible and greet I we. We discussed this on Monday after Oakland. And the take down of winning impression that could have stood and from from that. I got put up with Finnick fears for for decent money Okay and here. You know my my pick. Five tickets. Were were instantly. I didn't have Taylor sprints on on any tickets to me. You just have to hit just have to roll with these you. You can't you know you just I. I wasn't surprised I would've left Whereas roof is up and I think that call you know if if if you just had the visual of it and you didn't know the circumstances I think probably like I said seventy thirty. I well see what Seth says. That's his I love his measurement. The way he does the percentage of staying up or taking down to me. I think that probably stays up seven out of ten times this case they take them down. I that's it so we'll discuss it more. We'll get the nick. Tamra is going to be an ear in the hour. We'll do the Tampa eighty thousand dollar. Pick five carryover today. You know gusts looked at it. I have not had a chance to really handicap at in detail. Just gave it a WHO tacit clients Chris CA- to lack I to address specifically the D. Q. And in terms of money bet over three and a half million came in unbelievable Sit Fernando Sire watched pedigree focus brought to you by hill and Dale John White. I mentioned that actually. I'm glad that we that. We didn't get to John. Monday or Tuesday because he can provide his stewards view. Things Seth and we expect to talk to Andrew Hawkins for that Australia glance so that I can't even. I certainly certainly not going to call that a happy Recap but That's the the the horse portion To get things started My reference to the passing 's and I whether they're act- frankly whether they've been covert related or not there's just been a steady relentless supply of sadness and yeah some of them. We talked on Monday with Johnny. For instance you know the time Dempsey and that was covert although he was a suffering from dementia and then a very personal athlete yesterday. Timmy Brown who literally was the First Sports Star? The first professional athlete that I that was my favorite player. Philadelphia Eagles and I can recall the the two. I was seven when he ran two kickoffs back for touchdowns in one game I player in. Nfl history to do it. Johnny was at the game and at Franklin Field and I just number twenty two kickoff returns in the backfield and and a breakaway runner. A A fascinating person to his brother were orphans and Ultimately Timmy Brown in Philadelphia took him in and they made gave him a home and community leader in Philly as well and I came. That news came mid afternoon and then hours later last evening. I told you the other day John Prime was fighting for his life in Nashville at Vanderbilt and Kovic claims John Prime. We're GONNA listen to six or seven. John Bryan cots some with him Most most went most him singing. But John Cryan Talent that was just revered admired by all his contemporaries. When you talk about springsteen and Bob Dylan and Tom Petty and Kris Kristofferson essentially discovered John Prime but A songwriter singer Songwriter And Artists that digest was unique and brilliant and y- he physically he. He was really a candidate to be claimed by this he had had cancer. And and it had some health issues. And he and his wife Fiona I guess it come back from Europe and the basically was following this you know via her tweeting in letting fans know and it it it just it. Really This heartbreaking and then on a personal you know to bring it closer as if it isn't affecting enough to see all of this suffering we're hearing from friends you know the time. Amos's father who was who was ill himself. The last few years was in failing health in his mid nineties but ultimately victim of this. Tom Morley and Maggie Tom Morley's the one of his Shed Captains Martin Zapata if you didn't see yesterday. The first specific passing covert related in on the backstretch at New York and and Tina was was devastated yesterday to news that really kind of a friend of racing in a Lotta ways Norton Saieed. Who HAD BEEN IN? New York City policeman who grew up in sick false. Who Tina went to high school with and who was a bodyguard for the likes of beyond say and Jay Z and Norton and his mother taken by this and we would see Norton at at Saratoga. A couple of times a summer and times at Belmont he brought Jay Z. The things one of the triple crown tries he was there with with With Jay Z and others too. I mean other other Broadway and musicians and film stars. He was a top bodyguard and a very sweet guy. So I mean this is just it's just invading. It's just I mean ultimately it feels like there's nobody a that will not be affected by this so I it just it just hope that We get over the top of this curve and It starts to starts the Wayne but in almost really just so much heartbreak and take a lot of ways but I fear that we got more meantime. We continue to make the best of it then. Continue to try to enjoy what we all About racing and And be just thankful that even this half a dozen ovals that are able to continue can keep us uh suitably distracted we're GONNA start out with John Pine and as we've done so often Casey and I together listening to cuts and some cases. We're GONNA listen the full songs no commercials today at all. Just John Prime Music to make you feel better If you were a prime fan and so many of you because I I hear from so many people that are you know that appreciate good and interesting. Music Artists And if you didn't if you didn't know John Bryan you'll you'll recognize a few songs probably including this first one. He helped make Bonnie rates career. And let's let's start off the morning angel from Montgomery Sir. All rolled was I saw a long time ago. Me At just want a s I burning is wrong. Just the one Just and the kid to the Hill Person. The more and have nothing to say. Oh is just Bonnie rait and really a song that helped Really familiarize her to all of us but John Prien also you can hear plenty of additions of it with him Solo and looking to a little bit of both I have you know. I think we'll hear clay pigeons. Which which he did not right but It certainly you know one of his signature songs and and then a song. That is a signature of his Sam Stone but the version done by swamp. Dogg is arguably best known and unbelievable and so much primes catalog especially early on in a lot of antiwar anti-vietnam and the human condition essentially and the timing of of his passing obviously given everyone's situation and they isolation of a and and and in fact. I think we'll probably close with a song that is precisely about Isolation Later this morning when we listen to hello in there John Prime Chris. Guitar joins US FROM HONOR. Park and Certainly wish that the didn't have to deal with a a a steward's decision as part of yesterday's fun and exciting. Pick five sequence. We had so much fun. Handicapping it and playing it and visit yesterday actually was was really enjoyable with Mike Jacob Hausky from Dinsdale and WHO's also the president of honor but obviously you know people get taken down and Diku calls and there is going to be directed at the stewards at the facility and Chris. First of all congratulations on an amazing day. Probably the most remarkable day in honor park history. I'm sorry you had to deal with this. Well thank you Stephen and first and foremost I wanNA thank you for agreeing to have me come on to your show this morning when I asked you yesterday when I could see what was what was happening throughout the course of of the day Double edged sword. No question about that regarding The Big Day seven point two million was bed at at Foreigner Park They bet three point six million into the carryover of already close to half a million so there was four point one million dollars to be divvied up in that five. And that's why we're talking. Steve I have a couple of points I want to mention and I don't WanNa dig in too much so I'll try to come for prayer periodically but I I do WanNa say just to start off that nothing I can say or do is going to return the money to the gamblers who lost their wagers. So I'm Kinda doomed and whatever else may come out of my mouth but the Bq was harsh and people should be angry. I understand that a-. As a as a horse player And I want you to also no. I don't intend to make any glib remark or treat this controversial call in any lighthearted manner And I think that's an example of me asking to be on your show right now. It's all about Communication Steve. No and people appre appreciate it. I hope they do and they. They don't have to agree with the call but You know there are a couple of parameters I touched on a few right off the break including the the viability and the the respect of the three people in this stand. I one of the things I see twitter at anybody with with a keyboard can say whatever they want. And that's I guess that's fine but Nobody'S GOING TO QUESTION. The quality of these stewards. I mean the. You don't have to agree with the decision. But Bob Pollick Dennis achiever and Doug Schaaf are lifelong race trackers with real experience. These aren't people that were pulled out of the stands to be put into the Stewart. Then they certainly are not johnny-come-latelies in the in the business There's no question of that. They're they are part of what makes my job easy because they handle all the racing operations without. I know everything is going to take place that needs to take place in order for the race to be run and I'm going to read the stewards report but I I want to say before and maybe afterwards that I talked to Bob and the rest of the steward last night talked about before I came into work. This morning I've been here for a couple of hours already. Beautiful Sunrise. Overflowing Park this morning And he said Chris you know I I really hate the position this puts you into and I said Bob it's it's part of my job. It's part of your job. That's that's what part of being a CEO and part of being steward is is about and You know he felt bad for me and sympathetic. But that's the way it goes so let me jump into what the stewards me. Steve in both their written report. And then what they verbally expressed to me In the written report they cite Nebraska state racing commission ruined one seven point zero zero two point zero one and it reads when Claire a horse may be taken to any part of the course but no horse Shell Cross or we've in front of other horses in such a way as to impede them or constitute or caused interference or intimidation that's Nebraska Statute. That's in the horse racing laws of the Racing Commission And then then they're what they also said in their report was and and they re use horse numbers rather than horse name But they say number seven and number seven. Of course that was wears. Rupe is the number two is Taylor's print whereas Rufus was disqualified but number seven with author rail number two making a move inside number inside of number seven. Pardon me number two got up on the inside number. Seven came across and caused interference number two had to take up sharply. Then that was that was in in their written report that they gave to me. Now I'll I'll express the some of the things we had in our dialogue I asked them did. Did you have any issues making that decision? Based on the video that you saw the head on shot and the PAN shot and they said no. They didn't They I asked them. This also I asked him was it unanimous or not and they said it was a unanimous decision by the steward and I want you know when when sewers are watching a race here at fodder. There's one store that watches the TD. And then the other two are watching the race while while it's going so. I know the race replay has been looked at time and time again and unfortunately people look at race replays. Slow Motion I. This is my little axe to grind here. Races are not running slow-motion. They're running real time and real time. Decisions have to be made. And I know that these stewards have a part of their decision and all the expertise they have is that they saw what they saw in real time. And I think that factored into their decision as well Let me say one more thing Stephen. Then I'll I'll let you hop in here The stewards made no mention in the report. That the writer of number seven complain that he was run into from the flanker behind by the number two and I think that's what many saw was the seven was in front. He was off. The rail here comes the two along the inside. There's this I'll call it a collision or coming together And some people thought that the two had actually just driven right up into the seven to Kinda create his own way to come through But the writer seven made no complaint of that in the stuarts report. So I'll stop for now with that. Take anymore questions. Let me ask you with the objection. Went up I did you ask them. Did they ever put up the inquiry like I don't know that I was in In the tote room at the time conveying the mutual numbers or the handle numbers to our guy and video control over the phone We had to come to that old school. Why so I did not ever see the Topa I'm sorry about that And I don't know in the report that they did. They say a stewards made an inquiry writer Jackson. So I apologize but they they certainly were looking at. There's no question of that. Well because even even in the WHO writes the charts by the way that Equa base the chart caller and by the way I'd like to The stewards don't do that. Of course I'd like to read to you the footnotes if you haven't read that already may I okay so And the and the footnotes they use horse name. So I'll give you the name and they're never so it starts off wears rufus. Who was the seven disqualified? Where's Rufus was on the pace from the two or three path to edge? Clear into the far turn came in nearing the lane to put Taylor's Prince that's tours in tight kick clear and held daylight to the wire. The second sentence is Taylor's prints showed early speed inside whereas rufus settled back in. The far turn rallied back along the rail nearing the lane and was forced to check as rival came in and could not recover. Now this is a chart callers remark. Who is to be as unbiased as stewards are well and that with his his perspective and his report on the right well and I I will say a much as you know as many races as we all watch and particularly when it comes to this kind of incident. This is the single most difficult place on the racetrack to get a complete video presentation of the incident. And it's funny because when it happened live. I said to myself if they're going to end up looking at this and then you know then the race finishes and then when they started to show at the first time they showed it in in a replay. I thought that kid kind of ran up on his ass but then later on after the sequence after the whole you know later on last night at about nine o'clock and I was watching it repeatedly on the replay. There is absolutely ahead of the incident. There is no doubt that Chris fackler has got Taylor's Prince's head and neck into you know basically filling up that opening past the the hip and the and the flank. It's absolutely clear and I now. At the same time I do not blame the CODA would announce for then just basically keeping a straight line at that point as you're turning and shutting them off. I mean who who thinks that that jock on the lead. Wait wait till Tony. Black is on tomorrow and Tony tells you that kid you know by all rights factors lucky that that would put him over the over the rail and that's the thing that as players were like you know if those of us that had wears rufus are saying Damn Right. You should close the door there. I and I'm sure that I'm sure that that that marquette than would have been would have been annoyed if if would leaves open that gap so that part of it the race writing part of it is what I think a lot of our our minds. You'll do in these circumstances but the reality is fackler had had ahead in their opening was there and I and I completely for me. It's a seventy thirty. I would leave the seven out of ten times to me. The aleve the winner up three out of the ten. Ud Q. and I I that's my view of it. Okay and so I would call it a sixty forty. But the point. I didn't think it was a slam dunk. And that's what brought us to this point. But I have one other note that the stewards mentioned to me in dialogue with them last night was the two had room to be up in there because he was in there and I think that's what you're saying he was already there and then the seven came over on him. That's what the steward said. That's what the caller said. That's what you just said So he was in there and then he came over on him and I said it's my tweet I. It was harsh with controversial controversial. It's all of that And you know I I guess I want to say something. Also here you know just to stay. In contact force players feel aggrieved by seward across the world on a weekly if not daily basis. Then years ago I I was talking to a steward down at oaklawn. Park and he told me that he felt in the mind. Of course Blair's horsemen. The bestest seward could do was be fifty percent of the time. Those aren't good numbers. But you know a Stewart is not in my mind. They're not supposed to try to win. A popularity contest contests. They're supposed to go out there and make the right decision. The right decision make everybody happy all the time of course not. Does the right decision happen all the time? Well there's arguments that can be made that maybe a dozen Was this one of those situations. Yeah probably was but You know was it an unfortunate aspect in the intense limelight. That phone apart is in right now. Of course did I want this to occur. Of course not was this the crime of the century I say of course not also although we're under the microscope right now with nothing else to look at and the keyboard cowboys did come out as we all know and they all will and You Know I. I don't read those remarks. You read about two or three words into the tweet and you can kind of figure out what direction that they're going and I wanNA say one more thing Stephen Come up here you know in my tweet last night. I I said there was a controversial issue in the fourth race today I intend on addressing that after I received the stewards report after the races which I did And then I said I I however will not address any biggish tweets. I'll respond to the call later tonight. I appreciate your patience. And the funny thing was that the people who were offended by the pig ish tweets remark only the pitch people that made tweets are the ones that took offence to that the other people that were just angry and expressing their angry but doing it in a in a somewhat respectable manner. Those people didn't offend sort of the biggest tweet tweet came to the top. I guess and identify themselves so that was kind of interesting there but this is a game strong opinions or there. There's there's passionated the the one part of this that I wanted to stress early on and I think I did. We'll talk to nick tomorrow next. We'll get John White steak Johnny Carson accredited Stewart has been practicing forever and So we'll get his and then we'll get Tony Tomorrow. I just I. I didn't I didn't like the notion and the the people saying well. This is what you get from you know from a C- from a C. Track oh I I I. That's what I get for playing a place like this. It's just it's just not fair for starters the other thing fact Johnny Johnny Depp. Santa's just sent me a note and I and I should have brought it up already. People have to understand too this. Is this a five eighths track? There's a bowling bank. And and there's there's parts of you know for those of you that don't you know. Don't play the five eighths tracks these are tight turns and you know depending on the banking and you know there. There's a lot going on on that front so I I. I understand people saying well. The this wouldn't have happened at at you know at at at the New York and Florida and California Easy I. It's the people have many people haven't seen five eighth mile racing That's true as their fair. And when when you've got a field of ten horses and especially in half mile race going around one term but ten horses on a five eighth mile race for you. Only you're about every furlong you're taking a turn you know. There's a lot of reaching grabbing and pulling and adjusting and people coming over screaming. You should hear him. Come into the first turn. I mean it's I mean I clench up every time I see it And it for me as a race caller. Here's a little anecdote. I called races here at Warner Park a lifetime ago for ten years from one thousand nine hundred sixty nine hundred ninety five and when I last and started calling races on a mile race track. It was the difference in like sitting in the backseat of a plane and then getting upgraded to coach all move. Oh Wow it's it's so much easier to call these races because it's not rock them sock them and and one more thing. I have to say These people that that every race all the hours was stripped or the fixing race fixing that. Is Such horse racing one? Oh one that is immature. That hopefully anybody that follows racing grows out of that notion evolves as a horse player because that is so ridiculous when every race. That's run somebody's. You know saying there was a fix on the race come. That's the stuff that I just can't tolerate and no one should. I appreciate you doing this. I'm sorry that it happened and the you know that nobody you know. The certain percentage are going to be frustrated by it. But it you know a certain. The certain percentage were frustrated at at Oakland The other day when winning impression being taken down and you know as I say so often with with these you you just hope that You know when when you face the big Stewart in the sky that came out You know a couple of dollars ahead lifetime on on Steward calls. It's just it's part of the game yet when you get on that airplane for you you're under the control of the pilot. Whatever that pilot wants to do or his crew are going to do to to you you are. It's their orders. That's like making a bad at the races as well sceviour. You're a gentleman. You're terrific Night later of course racing and I appreciate this. I'm it happened to as well. There were six hundred forty thousand tickets alive after that disqualification and when it all came down to it I think we'll just over two hundred had had the winning sixteen thousand dollars in ticket. Dinsdale like Dick Five. So thank you went on all and and I appreciate everyone having an open mind to this and I understand that they are Chris CA- to lack. Everybody found her park. Back at it the this afternoon finer and Tampa and And Will Rogers your your action today. And we appreciate Chris Visiting and offering the common and kind of flesh out The details around last night's race for D Q. Let's listen here to WanNa John Pines performances not a one of his own songs but blaze. Foley's clay pigeons and Nick Tammaro joins US after this Going DOWN TO AGREE has station nor bad. Tigger more van jury three gives a damn ran. Iraq signed comes up and Dan roundabout two or three Dan. Smoking cigarettes in the same song for the people was a singer. Song Back in the game and start playing Styro- in Baghdad Texas agoura somewhere had never been Europe. Anamour go out now now to go home. James Awards do this star singing and around. Buran ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. That are already know bill me. Cancel with memories. Just somewhere days in the next day takes to get back into the lane during the day. Start talking. Very say I'm going down to agree. How stationed back to get kids? Sit Down Bears Down around Dan snow in cigarettes in the same song me with people say the wage inflation that day. Estar TAVERN Jump Pride Doan blaze. Foley's Clay Pigeons Nick. Tamra joining us. Now Nick Mourning Mourning.

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"Brian your flag. Decal won't get you into heaven any more. We got a couple more cuts to pay tribute to John Prime taken yesterday way way. Too Young. Seventy seventy two seventy three believable. John White is going to join us. And I it turns out that We were actually fortunate that John John Yesterday at as we usually do Monday or Tuesday and to have his steward expertise after watching the fourth from fonder and John. First of all good morning. Hope you and tracer okay. Good Morning Steve. Or hanging in there prisoners here in our home and for the last couple of weeks and Upside down world we're having. I was particularly melancholy on Saturday. When we would have had that great card sanity to with the Santa Anita Derby in the Santa Anita Oaks? I was really looking forward to the oaks with the you know the Decian harbor and Donald Chee that would have been That was a race I was really looking forward to and of course the Derby could have been really Sutton A very good to with what we were looking at for that but Of course I mean it's just a what a mess this year for sure and not just horse racing in the in the lives and so many countries and so many sports and just this morning. I was reading about England trying to figure out what they're going to do over there for Roy Alaska and that type of thing so they're hoping to maybe have a Roy Alaska without spectators and I mean this is a worldwide Just crisis no question bounded so but you know one thing about it as I've been listening to your show which that in itself is kind of a gives us a little bit of sense of normalcy From time to time issue delve into the racing. Especially as you go back into the racing times and that type of thing. I'm I'm holding a a A column that I have saved all these years from the racing times written by bill and it was about the fall highway. And it's one of the. I just loved that column and it was about the Can that the fall highway just was erased. It really made no sense and leg it wrote. Nyerere loves the the fall hey white handicap or the F H H Zz. Some of us. Call it so I guess he and some others in New York would call the fall highway fizz. And he said to be gentle about it. The fizzes the dumbest event thoroughbred racing and the second most idiotic sporting event in the world The FIZZ. We'll have it seventy running this year but just because something's been around a long time certainly doesn't make correct. Somebody should have gotten the message right after the racist I renting in nineteen fourteen when a two year old filly calmly wanted under a hundred and ten pounds. Obviously obviously that meant nothing. The only thing of importance is continuing admiration for it. Well as George and IRA Gershwin said. They're writing songs of love. But not for me He says is the fizz in the fizz horses which should be carrying a hundred and ten two hundred twenty. Two pounds ended up carrying a hundred and twenty eight to one hundred and forty. That's a lot of dead weight he said and so is the race. We will now attempt to answer your questions about the fist. Is The fall height weight? Have a bearing on anything. Nothing whatsoever. Is it a factor in voting for champion. Sprinter it's the first race one throws out. How many other tracks have a phys- zero are other tracks? Contemplating adding the pfister their schedules. Not If they are private enterprises which want to remain in business. Why is it at a grade? Two race the Flat Earth Society. Then on and and really. When you think about it I mean it is. He kind of talked about archaic and And especially today we don't even have. We got like a handful of handicaps left in North America So I mean it's really archaic now but I it just was so I can remember i. I enjoyed the third times immensely. Of course I was working for the competitors the daily racing form but I was Constantly Picking up copies of the racing times because As you've Pointed out I mean the the wealth of writing talent there was just tremendous. I mean it really was and I just thoroughly enjoyed reading so much of the writing in it from the Hubby's to the to the legates to to every two to so many others in there so and so much of the racing times ended up Being you know as you pointed out incorporated into the daily racing form especially in terms of the past performances and it makes me think of my late father and how he was really so far ahead of a time in a way because back in the nineteen sixties. I can remember In Seventies. I remember how he would When I would look at a race after he handicapped it with his red pencil and a lot of the things he wrote in the past performances with his red pencil. We now take for granted I mean he wrote the jockeys names just that in itself for each horse. Because the only place you could see Jackie's name was in the sweep in the front of the form and my dad would take time off his first step and handicapping erase was the right. The Jockey's name for each horse right by the Horse's name and then he would go through there and and he'd underlying races were they they had Com had run against each other. Now we have that in Boldface You Know He. Nowadays we take for granted the Italics where you can see a horse one next time out and but a lot of the things. My Dad did in time Were Incorporated. He would keep a whole pile of forms That he 'cause he would go every day during meet and he would keep the file deed. Keep him for years and this is back when we didn't have you couldn't just look at the horses past performances and see his record on that track or on a wet track and things like that. And so my dad and wet and mothers back. In those days in the seventies and in the sixties we really did have mothers and horses that were outstanding wet track performers more than before. We got into the sealed tracks and We had the mud marks. That are kind of a popular nostalgia. Nostalgic aspect of horses passed today and I spent many years signing Marxism charcoal there for the racing form. In fact the last superior mud mark I ever assigned which was an ex inner circle was to buy Cola. That was the last superior mud mark I ever assigned but My Dad would be able to look back at a at a horse's record at that track for maybe the last couple of years or he'd look up the record on a wet track when he especially when he knew it was going to rain and he he would be dealing with a wet track and that was information that was not at the fingertips of the people that have bought the form at the track that day. Or you know just didn't do their homework like my father did. So that was an inspiration to mean something that I realized that it really paid off to do a lot of your own work and I started taking my own trip notes and things like that so back in the day but like I say it's very good. The racing times had a such good past performances and horse players have benefited from that since the racing form after the racing times folded did adapt adopt a lot of those teachers absolutely John. Let me get. We got about fifteen minutes. And I I'm sure you'll want to flesh out The Queue from from honor. What was your thoughts? I signed all you saw the replay. Well one thing I. It's kind of comforting again. When the world's and having a major crisis that the stewards are still getting pummeled in her sport. There's a consistency and that whether it's founder Parker Saratoga or what whatever it is we seem that. Run into these Stewart. Controversies I have to say first of all that it's interesting. There was an inquiry in this race so similar to the Kentucky Derby of last year. That was so controversial again. It's interesting to me that the that but boy it was a very quick objection and I will say that I give the stuarts credit for not. Just piggybacking on the objection. Because that's what you will see a Lotta stewards will say you know. We're getting objection. We'd better put up the inquiry signed to and in a way. That's kind of a preventative measure because again. If you get involved into into a controversy as we saw with the Kentucky Derby last year that was became a very important Controversial aspect to it that the fact that the stewards never did put up an inquiry sign. So even if you put it up belatedly it does. Kinda help the students to say. Yeah we put up inquiry scientists that sometimes you you might be inclined to do that from a defensive aspect And these Stewart's felt you know that that they were going to address the objection. Another aspect of this is practically my entire life and racing which stretches half a century I've heard so many people so often say well it was only an objection so I can't imagine that the numbers GonNa come down because unless the stuarts put up inquiry. They're not they just don't tend to take a number down. And I have felt that. Stewards all the stewards. I've worked with Clare back into the nineteen seventies. I've you know. Stewards will adjudicate a race on its own merits and a lot of times. People say well you know. It's this person. Or this jockeying that believe me for the ninety nine point nine percent of the time. You're just looking at those replays and trying to make the best decision that you possibly can and get it right and and more than that maybe not get it wrong and another aspect of this race is the incident happens turning into the stretch on five hundred over with sharp turns something. I'm familiar with growing up at the track in my hometown. Play Fair was a five eighths oval. I was a steward on a five feet. So will that Libor Park and I have worked at Los Alamos During the time that they had not expanded that track yet and it was it was a bull ring to so I've got a fair amount of a bull ring officiating experience but whether it's a mile track or a five it's over a half Mile Oval or Belmont Park whatever that spot turning into the stretch is the trickiest spot. You have Detroit to judge. There's just no getting around it and at least lying at Santa Anita and the major tracks you've got at least a fairly decent shot of what we call the quarter pole shot and then this race. It took me back in my days as a steward Lebron Park in Idaho. Because we really didn't have what would be the equivalent of a quarter pool shot And I can see. They really don't seem to have that at fonder because they didn't show a PAM angle from that shot they showed what would be issued on a mile track the equivalent to three eighths tower shot which was relatively meaningless. Shot just it. It didn't give you a good view to try to judge this so you had basically only the pan so that and trying to make a decision with only pan turning into the stretch Where you can't really see the horses pass. That's the part. Where if they had not made a disqualification. I could kind of understand that because you could conceivably say you know. The videotape did not substantiate the claim of foul. Because of the fact. We really didn't have a good video shot of it but I texted you a photo. I took off of the video. And that's a rather damning photo For those not wanting a disqualification because when when you and I didn't feel that strongly about it when they showed in regular speed but when they slowed down to me I'm satisfied that where's rufus the number seven He I'm satisfied. He came over without clearance and another aspect. You wanted to determine right off the bat. Did the number two tailors prince. Diddy establish himself You know get up in there as we like to say did get up into the hole and his head gets to like the saddle cloth of the number seven actresses. He stabbed position in there once. He's in there. He has his right to be in there and not get bothered so now there's another part. There's a possibility and I have run into this From time to time were a jockey can grandstand. You know we're really wasn't all that tight and he stands up and makes it look good but for that. I will give credit to the Jackie because at least he gave the Stewart something to hang their hat on because didn't look good when the guy standing up on the horse and You know but I don't think in my opinion which is this is what this is and opinion that you're using to to make the call in my opinion. I don't think the writer was grandstanding. I think he was worried about getting dropped because it got very tight on him in there and so when you just add it all up I would've reluctantly voted for the disqualification. And why do you say? Why do I say reluctantly? Well I say reluctantly because I would sure like to have a better camera angle to be able to make a call in this race and the fact that you really only have the pan leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And we have thousands and thousands of dollars wagered at these tracks and and really millions when you think about it every day across the country and yet I think our video has been very lacking In this sport You know you look at those breeders cups and triple Crown Races where they had that blimp above and you can see how different that can look and how how really you could feel much more comfortable about making a decision of a shot like that where you're looking at him from from above but In lieu of that you at least want to have the best camera angles can have at ground level and certainly i. I kinda have sympathy for the students here in that. I don't think they had exactly what I would call the best Po. Best case scenario here in terms of the video to try to make the call but I the picture I sent you it you and you look at the front legs and the left side of that. The number seven. Where's Rufus from that shot? It does not appear to me. There's very much space at all between him. And the inside rail which indicates to me that he did come over without clearance and King closed dropping that horse so my vote would have been for a disqualification. I appreciated John. And the way you discuss it. And and the elements that you introduced to the conversation it I hope it helps people who thought it was just a ridiculous. Take Down at want people to understand the the you know what the mental process is and Chris Ca- to like actually went as far as as reading the rule. That is referenced and you know and again I I know people get frustrated that you know there's thirty seven jurisdictions and and you know there's nuances from you know from spot to spot and and you know for years. There's been the debate frankly on both coasts Foul is a foul or is there more leeway but the burden the hurting And this is the opposite of course of hurting which is crowding and the other. And I'm glad you're you're the third including from from Chris and then with Nick. Tammaro that address. The five eighths portion of the equation. Because you know we're we're used to ovals that are much more sweeping and where they're you know they're the the Banking provides some support in many cases. You know for the horses to maintain their their lines but when it comes to when it comes to the bullring style it it's it's a lot of Lot of cowboy going on. Well that's exactly right and in fact another track I worked at that I had forgotten That was a five eight so It was actually a five eighths oval with half mile turns because I had worked at Fair Plex Colin Charts. When it was a half mile oval when they enlarged they enlarged it to not to make it like a Los Alameda. When it was a five eighths or La Park they were built as five eight is so they had actual five eight turns whereas fair plex play fair my hometown. They were Half Mile. Ovals that were stretched from side to side and so they basically kept the half mile. Turns and enlarge the track that way and So those were rather sharp turns and it was a steward at fair plex with Randy. Again with their own mcharg. Who's now the chief steward in the State of California And there's just no question that that you're gonNA run into more incidents on track You know that's a five eighths oval then on a nice mile racetrack. That's part of what makes my all racetracks. Good is you get cleaner racing This is the problem. You run into turf racing a lot of times. Not only did the horses run closer together. Because of the fact that they'll bunch up without dirt being thrown back in their face as opposed to running on the dirt with the spread out more but the the turf courses we have in our country are almost always put it inside the the Mile Oval. So you're dealing with again more or less bouldering on the turf. So that's why you're going to run into more incidents generally in turf racing in the United States than dirt racing in the United States. This appreciate that perspective as well it it It was too bad. I mean appearance. Simple nobody wants to have to have that included in such a high profile sequence but You know we. We've got the game and it doesn't matter if it if it's in this scenario or whether it's the Breeders Cup Classic and the Kentucky Derby I mean how is this different and you know the one of the funniest things about the reaction and and I know a lot of people are reacting. You know literally instantaneously and expressing frustration and and you know just the seven hundred dollars one hundred twenty whatever you put into it and you get your your hits we say in Yiddish. But the the comment that. Oh it's because it's because it's podunk track it it's a C- track and it's these half with the Stuart Whoa this. We've had the same annoyance frustration and carrying on a at the absolute highest level. So don't don't the dismissive and insulting to people who have been lifelong. And I'm GonNa Guess you know Bob. Bollock and maybe then his Co. Cheever as well. I mean they've they've been. They've been stalwarts and involved in for for decades. I mean these are. These are people that were at exorbitant. I mean for those for those. That don't remember excitement. Was I think the seventh largest track and handle in the country and Bob pollock was was one of the stores and so was achiever. I mean you're talking about people that have been adjudicating races for decades. I stopped off at EXURBAN on my way to Louisiana downs from the Pacific northwest in nineteen seventy six. It was early August. It was like over a hundred degrees an Omaha but I enjoyed i. I went to the races there. Two days and And Jack Bamberg one when the feature race on Saturday and that was a huge crowd there. They had a whole area. The track that was with the buses of the people that they bussed in from all over the Midwest. I mean it was quite a sight. Just to see the rows of buses that you would see at accenture binned. I'm I'm really glad that I stopped. I stopped at there at the centennial in Denver on my way to Louisiana downs but one thing I will say and people want people want to try to knock the smaller tracks And I guess maybe I'm a little sensitive this because I up. Not only long acres was a major track but like Porta Lane Idaho and and Was a small track and and play fair really was a small track really A and but when I have worked as a racing official Like at Boise. Some people would say well. It's only a you know a thousand dollar claiming race. Or what have you? I would tell the people I'd say. Look that race to the participants in that race is just as important to them as it is to somebody at Santa Anita and one hundred thousand dollars stakes race or a five hundred thousand dollars stakes race and I say that because those people are trying to eke out a living and That race can mean the difference between paying bills and Your rent and so forth. I mean these people are putting their heart and soul and everything. They've got to just try to make the race meet. Go and trying to survive. And it's it's that. I know there have been racing officials that might step in there and maybe especially somebody coming from a bigger time to a smaller track and not have the attitude and think well. This is only podunk down so who cares. Well tell you what I care and I especially cared from a safety standpoint that you want to save a racing as as humanly possible and I felt that ever since I was first steward in nineteen seventy nine fact. I got them to stop the Ferris wheel. That was going that during the week because well what was interesting as I just happened to notice. That a number of horses seem to be reacting when they were turning firm turning for home. And so you know and I didn't make a big deal out of this or whatever but I went down to the Josh Room the next day and I said I asked some of the season jockeys down there and I said Hey. Are you having any incidents out there on the track and I want to be too specific because I wanted them to bring up what I had been seeing about that and like three four of them said you know. I wish they get them to stop that ferris wheel from turning during the fair because horses are kind of spooking from that and look into it and I called the general manager the track and I said Hey look we got a safety issue here. See if you can call the general manager of the fair and get them to stop running that ferris wheel give them a schedule of races or during the race day or whatever but see if you can get it to where that thing is not moving during the time that we are running that how about that. And so he did they did and the jockeys were thankful for that but see. I'm one of the ILK that I if you have a problem that you can prevent Birdie Handelman said hey I deal with problems. Once they become a problem I take the opposite view. I any problem I can possibly nip in the bud at all. I'M GONNA try to do it because I don't want there to be the accident and then you react to the accident. I WanNa try to prevent the accident. So That's very proud to accomplish that but You know and this was the safety issue is more paramount now in our sport than it's ever been And so when you see that incident turning into the stretch at monarch yesterday. That's an element of this too because that was a little dicey a little borderline dangerous there. That guy wouldn't have been impossible for that guy on Taylor's prince the number two possibly go down and you don't want we don't need bed in our sport right now. No especially no not at all but it you know it's part of it's just part of the action. I just at listening in era camelback from HP as as well as A. Eric has the role when it comes to rope The racing officials accreditation program and and he really appreciates the way you broke this out the and the elements that you're brought out John so thanks from that standpoint John We're going to certainly have a three year old race. The talk about The recap next week when it comes to this group that's coming together for the Oakland stakes. So we'll look for that. And in the meantime I I'm sure you're keeping track of low sal and God bless doc allred and a Bob Marino and the team at Lowe's Allahu Seem to have a better relationship with Orange County Then an and a little bit more sway with Orange County. So the thing we've been baffled about is how the Los Angeles County Board of Health Public Health can close down Santa Anita but yet the Los Angeles County Arboretum would actually the Los Angeles County operates right across the street from Santa. Anita is open for business and they're charging people and making money and I it made me come to the thought that it's too bad Santa Anita couldn't call up the Arboretum and say do you have like a big panic grass over there something that we could like. Put Chalk marks down on the ground and bring some cameras over and do some racing that you're gonna be open for business across the street. Maybe we could run our races across the street over Arboretum. There you go. It's we're GonNa talk tomorrow I there's a couple of stories that When we talked to hammer I I haven't had a chance. I've been saving it because I knew we talked to him but There is the difficulty The added difficulty to about the shortfall in California's Workman's compensation program and trainers hit with a twelve. Hundred and thirty dollar bill per horse So this is this quarterly. This is not an annual some venues or six months or annual But this is A quarterly bill. And boy I mean just comes at the absolute. It's partially responsible because there is no purse accounts to be utilizing right now But this We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA talk about it tomorrow with Hammer John. Thanks so much they safe. Thanks Steve Take Care John White. Everybody Post Time. John we've got really Probably our last break of the morning. And if you've been with us from the start it's been devoted to John Prime and got a couple more cots we're going to close out With hello in there Which really feels says so. You know perfectly in tune with the situation in the nation and worldwide but prying Beside growing up as a young child in in Illinois in Maywood actually moved to Paradise Kentucky with his family and one of his one of his really lasting songs that that has got Environmental Overtones Paradise. And I thought it was important to get it in as well Today so Take our last break. Seth Merrin is GonNa Join US next. But here's John. When I was a child Fan mail with travel down the western him law. And there's a backward town then remember so many times the and daddy will take me back county down by where there as well. Sorry man. Let's do they Mr. Oh well sometimes travel down grain van down by three year where they're still lacks. Nate's shoot with our buddy was all of us. Heard County Down rain forever where you saw mass to ask own way gene a Nicole Tom McCain with the world's largest show and torture the temper and spent doll lane well it doug for land narrowed it all down progress and that he stay alert county down there late budget to a bean coltrane. Oh when A. Dallat mashing slow down and green role on Do the Rochester now athlete with As we just five miles away mom wherever I me back county down mad cold drain. It's all over John. Prime Paradise the coal company came with the world's largest shoveled and they tortured timber and stripped on the land. Well they dug for their coal to the land was forsaken. Then they wrote it all down as the progress of Man Seth Marrow standing by with us The close out What's been an interesting morning? Seth how you doing good hanging in my weekly. Go Straight Grocery shopping trip this week. The omaker thing is now working for me. I typically a eat out Kinda Guy So now to go out and and load up the and even when I wasn't eat out it was typically you know five o'clock or six o'clock rolls they want for dinner today. Roll over the supermarket invited three things and come home now. I'm rooting up a shopping cart and hunker in in for seven or ten days. Wha- give everybody a peek into the into the Gusta to`real splendor of shave zero. What what what. What has been typically on the On the menu. I pretty good beef stew about that. Is You can freeze a couple. You say got a couple. Extra meals I do chicken and rice thing. That's pretty good I'm trying to think those are those may be by two most complicated other than that. You know you probably have some ground beef and throw some Ragu and you have like a meat sauce sandwich. That's one of my easy ones like almost like a sloppy Joe sloppy joes the other night. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah so that you know I I. It's just that type of thing. I don't want anything to do like a cocoa van or anything like that. Nothing nothing that is on the menu. I love it very nice. We did our first grill. The first grilling of She I miss not having the corral. Don't miss that Liam Chops on the grill. Hard I'll remember this summer when when you come out to the when we have our Party of course last year I could not. I could not do my usual Saratoga summer Dinner Party You know it was prone Chicago. They exactly exactly but We'll we'll we'll remember. I'll get you some of those little lollipop lamb chops. You like those. Don't think I've ever had those little tiny ones. The you know the like you get as an appetizer with the US. The bone a handle in over all right. There you go well I you shacks continues to do a tremendous job denny you shack in Houston. And you've heard me talk about many times and was out denney yesterday. I got the one thing I forgot to get was a chicken. I need to make soup somehow today. It it is Passover and let me quickly because we're GONNA have a we're going to close out with hello in there from John. Pine which is about four and a half minutes and so I know I'll be tight for time. I WANNA make sure to wish everybody that celebrating a very good pesach tonight getting started. And it's such a strange circumstance that a holiday like Passover and certainly on Sunday Passover Easter essentially You know they they come together. They're an entry eastern Passover and I it are are both so family oriented and and and welcoming and the celebrations of family. And you know particularly when it comes to pass over you know. It's a celebration of the exodus from Egypt and and being released from bondage the hands of the Egyptians and yet we're all captive so it's a there's a a very unusual dialectic going on for Passover this year but collectively as a people You know to to everybody. I hope you're with some friends and family that can share it with you tonight and tomorrow night and best wishes go along with that The everybody that's probably the first time in history that the Passover in east ribbon claimed as an entry but but I think you're absolutely religious entry on the calendar so which everybody that And and as always I sat down. I didn't watch the whole thing but I always enjoy the this holiday season the Ten Commandments. With Charlton. Heston Moses Moses Edward G. Robinson and their allies my favorite. Where's Your Messiah Now? Yeah Uh yes. Yeah a believable. Let's turn and get some racing in we've got about Call it about twelve minutes at. Did you participate in the foreigner? Pick five yesterday. I I've been putting picks up on the twitter Some trash but mainly Wednesday through Sunday but with the big carryover put a finer and then when push came to shove I couldn't narrow the ticket down. I thought it was a little too competitive so I I didn't jump in and as wild up I had the course that that was moved up in the first leg. I had that horse at the bottom line mix but I don't think I would have gone that deep in that race. I probably probably would have been knocked out there. And Yeah I heard you talking to John. Hayden so the reaction to the race and I to me. It was a bad call. I I would have gone. Eighty twenty the other way but I would have been eighty twenty. I don't think it was. It was egregious by any means but it just seemed like a bad place on the track for the judge to get inside and the Horse. That won one enough. I came down the stretch. I said if the tool doesn't hold that then watch out for you but I thought was him holding on for second. I thought the results the way they were well and I told people I opened the show. I don't know if you were listening early. But I I've always appreciated your approach when it comes to that that eighty twenty seventy thirty sixty five thirty five fifty fifty you you. You were the first person I I knew. That sort of quantified calls like that and my number was seventy thirty and you went even further the eighty twenty even Chris Ca- to lack who joined US earlier. Chris was sixty forty for leaving the winner up. I I thought that you absolutely in fact the two finishing the way he did after virtually coming to a stop. I thought actually lent itself quite a bit to do. I mean the fact that you know that he was able to stay on and the hold off those that were rallying trying to rally wide Listen I got taken down and and I. I wasn't surprised you can tell if they don't adjudicate in ninety seconds Maybe two minutes and Change If they don't dismiss a call you know getting massaged around and and they're you know and then they kept showing whatever angle they could and and the more. I looked at it the more I understood I called it. You know marginally understandable You may you may see the you know the point that it happens everywhere I mean. Twitter flipped out and it had but it happens every will receive every day no matter the size of the circuit. They're bad calls. We complain about all the time or I won't Smith Zero say bad Paul in that again I thought it was eighty twenty. I didn't think it was agreed. As a call we disagree with. Maybe the majority disagrees with it happens everywhere. It was just the new said this is well. It was just unfortunate. The situation I mean finer has all is out of the race. Three million dollars into that at finer soil is are the racing world around and had to be the first leg had been the last leg but the majority of people might have been knocked out already and really would've tennis shrugged at the decision but it was the first leg people were jumping in so it was just. It was unfortunate that that it kind of played out the way it did all right. Let's get We got We got to go out at eleven fifty four or so so we got about seven and a half minutes. F- I assume Tampa's you're focused today. We talked to Nick Tamra earlier. Went through the sequence eighty-one thousand dollar pick five carryover give everybody Your approach to this sequence Certain race four. I liked the thirteen. Thirteen scratched I. I was hoping that horse would get in. I was GONNA lean on that I haven't kind of a little ticket put together To deepen the first leg four five three six for me in the first leg. She knew she knew me Have to draw line obviously through the last race. But I think that you know it. Looks like an aberration. So I'M GONNA look for that one to rebound to a better effort and noble intentions. It just like this horse popping over from Gulfstream and pick it up and Santino. Noble intentions will be a little bit live in there as well. So we're GONNA have a four five three six but I think I'm GonNa lean on the ticket on the four five Fifth race a six ten four nine again. I'm just putting a kind of fairly modest ticket together I couldn't find any single so I'll just go to deepen here. Six four nine. The number six gone as a girl can get show some early speed last time and just got caught. I mean this is an angle. I've heard you talk about over. The years shows the that line a once in the last ring and just gets caught and sometimes the next race that that speed colts up. And so I'm Kinda Kinda rely on on an extra little class As well so we put toss The six on top and Katie. Falloon in the second spot You know the last few races have been pretty good This is not a strong field. You're just looking for some numbers. Have a little bit of life and I think both of those to do so. I'm going to lean on those six in ten. Have at six ten four nine V Six hundred forty. There's a couple of lakes or I'm GonNa go four deep and as the day goes along. I may try to pare down. I'd love to lose like one horse for my seek months step to make it even a little less expense. I mean. It's not really expensive ticket to begin with. But I'd love to cut one out but I was a forty three or four or five six two barrel destiny on top. Get SOME CLASS RELIEF. This is a New York bred. Spent much last year Certainly spring through the summer against New York breads and New York allowance. Company CAME DOWN TO TAMPA PUT in a couple of decent tries against better so I think the class relief will be a little bit of a wakeup monkey. Mind hasn't been seen since mid-january but best effort and this also has a little bit early speed Like the topic is going to get a little bit class relief. It's a gimmes girl It's just obviously this season. It's hard to ignore anything Bennett. Camacho or sending out this one comes out of a win and a similar about last time the numbers or maybe a little light. The buyers has compared the top two. But again with this team Bennett. Camacho didn't WANNA leave. That went out and Kate. Lottie da Mike Dany trains. He trained the the Nice. I I Like last week down at Tampa and I like the. He's been good so I'm kind of paying attention. I think he sends out at eight to one about cloudy. Maybe a little bit of a player so again I'll use a four and six four five six two two deep again in race seven nine seven four and one nine seven. Amelia's wild ride. It was interesting I knew the name and I looked it up Last night as I was handicapping. Amelia's wild ride beat the the talented bend cat. Five years ago at Penn National Insurance Rates But now comes back as a nine year old drops down comes over from Gulfstream So I'll put Amelia's wild ride on TAP. Big Gillett had some back numbers. That are pretty good. Clearly very lightly raced over the past two years but I thought maybe with the comebacker under the belt little bit of additional class relief. Maybe we can get not those not real numbers we're seeing underneath but at least maybe split the difference a little bit. Get in the mix so I rely on those two But again this is a race where deep down is interesting. I'm wildcat I think in bounceback as well but to keep the ticket affordable. I'll go couple of deep in here. I have a nine seven four and one. We use the nine in the seven. And then the finale. I'M GONNA go four deep again The the Horse I really like on the daily goal. They have ninety three ten and two. I just it's not going to say it's a clever pick. Just because combat is doing so well when he comes over to Tampa and doing well with first-time starters also so by giant's causeway Gillet Gold This is a New York bread and has a couple of siblings One of the siblings one Rian second in the career debut won the second startup at Saratoga. Back in two thousand and sixty and other sibling called SEAFOAM ran second. The first three starts of the career then won a couple of races including New York bread steak so I think there's a little bit of a kosher snus in here and as I say. Come out doing well when he comes over and also well I guess gold On tap but I thought screen image twelve to one on the morning line and clear as day seven to two. I could have gone either way with those originally at screaming screen image in the second spot but eventually and clear as day up may be better recent form but the seasonal debut Which wasn't much but there are some back numbers and it was a decent little number in the seasonal debut although well beaten that day I just thought screen image might be a player at a price and then heavenly peace second time Saturday. Pray the WHO Again I thought the last race was enough of a foundation to maybe build out a little bit so us out for those as they say get into the afternoon may try to pair one horse out of the mix but I had this last race of Tampa Ninety three ten and two well. We talked to Ken swayze yesterday and can't Scott finest jewel in the first leg screen image and the last leg This is a surprisingly strong group eighteen thousand maiden when you know when you see shrugging there and Chris Claremont than Nacho courageous and to stem can easily. Isn't that's a? It's a tough group while sat for those that haven't been watching. South is putting up a one sheet capital not be style analysis As much as he can. And and as the action dictates and a little GULFSTREAM LITTLE TAMPA LITTLE OAKLAND. And so forth. The seth stay safe Please try to eat. We want to. We don't WanNa find you in that. You know we don't want to find you in those rooms Bust the door down. I didn't mention besides the chicken and the beef stew. I'm also doing the the little quick bake cookies and brownies. So I'm covered seth marrow. Everybody maybe send them a care package. We'll get we'll get them through this. Good luck to everybody. Seth Merrin everybody Seth Marrow to on your twitter machine and a Capital O. Tv I WANNA thank Casey With a great job Pulling together the John Prime Music and of course. Chris got to lacked to start us off. Nick Tomorrow said Fernando John White and sat Andrew Hawkins maybe tomorrow we also peaked. 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Rock And Roll Heaven: Lost To Covid- John Prine (unedited)

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Rock And Roll Heaven: Lost To Covid- John Prine (unedited)

"You Dig into rock and Roll Heaven podcast with L. D. and T. J. do. Is Willing to rock and roll heaven the gas where we talk about the lives careers and Jessica famous musicians. I. Am your host Lv along with me for the ride is Mr William Hickey N., T J two outing. I have you. Hey. We got that three way going we talked about and we we also don't about using freeze I remember. Yeah I'm going to have to go. With Lasso for something now that was yeah that's really scraping. If you guys don't know I'm married to will and Tj to is my big brother. So we're not we're from South Carolina, but we're not from Arkansas. So. Not to disparage anybody from Arkansas we. We love our. Not Quite. Quite from far enough south for that actually be a sign. I, it's. True. I, first across cruised episode. Isn't it? Well? Technically? Yes. So if you guys will notice, there might be a little bit of difference in audio quality. That you guys are to so sorry because we're actually having to conduct this on zoom which we've never done before. But is never done zoom before and show everybody because this is only the second time. I've ever been on this program. How technically imposition I am when when when L. Day told me hey, where we'll just do this over zoom I said Okay I'll make my wife may there be zoom my phone. Yeah you must've had like you didn't get your first cellphone until you were like, what thirty six it was like. Yeah I haven't I haven't had them for very long. I had a flip phone until about five years. I mean you got your first phone two, thousand twelve seriously. Didn't you? It was it was a little before that but not much now. Yeah. Ninety five, ninety, six, I had my cell phone. Yeah. Well, but the thing is that. For for loyal listeners of your program, they know this is my second episode. I did With you impact in Ezio. At home for Christmas in. So having gone back and listen to that recently, I'm trying to figure out what Ernie the return invite was it like the lack of preparation or the ulker vocal policies or the inappropriate jokes or the fact that I was drunk by the end of it, I'm trying to figure out what exactly make you go like? Yeah let's let's let's. Let's have him back. We're you know we've actually talked to the network and they thought that it was a great idea that we do it with like family like because there's not really a a show based on family and I think they're really liked the dynamics that median you and will bring to the table and modules was MATZEC. That's interesting because my guess was lots of people said No. Now actually. Look there's a long list of people's names that had XS throw them and she was like. My brother. Yeah. Yeah it's. And as we go into this I'm just going to point out and everybody I'm having a beverage It is a ginger Ale and vodka and wage of Lemon and I'm not just drinking to be drinking. This is relevant to the episode I am willing to suffer for Microsoft. Of course, you didn't boy US just suffer with every sale was that with the preparation of the drink correct because that's apparently what makes it. Yes. Yes. It was a vodka and Ginger Ale with a wedge of lemon drop in from six inches above the glass but not squeezed does with the power to make this particular beverage called a handsome Johnny. Well it's goes into it. That's it. That's. The lemon that's. Apparently. The dropping the limit from from exactly six inches above the glass or the Yeti low ball tumbler my cases apparently keys. Okay and so for our listeners a so you know. I don't drink at all and my brother makes up for it. You. Might. My sister, my sister, mother drink but I. Just feel like I need to you know take up the slack. To support fine American companies like Tito's. Well Just, a quick satellite before we jump actually jump into dystopic. One of the finest music journalist in the world is GonNa Peter Cooper. He's actually from South Carolina and I've I've I've met eight or an interview several times. But he told me a story wants about getting to go to say packers game at Lambeau big sports fans. So that's kind of a bucket list item. And so the people who was with up there took him. And the tail getting there apparently starts very early in the morning. In Green Bay Wisconsin and so he's sitting around a campfire because it's like it's like Wisconsin freezing and crap because it's Wisconsin in December and this guy pulls out like a giant growl or and he pulls out a bottle of southern comfort. Turns it up over the Tumbler Then he takes a can of Sun drop and pours it on top of that. been paid and Peter. Said Buddy. I'm not I'm not judging or anything but. What are you? What are you doing and the guy said Oh I told my wife I only have two drinks today. This is one. I don't like. Hope also told his wife he's going to have a severe case of tooth decay because she. Yeah all. These, that makes every every part of my Adamy, her yes. Oh God. We've found squirt today in a store. We didn't buy my we saw. squirt will never sponsor this show. Out because I that that guy had a case of young gods. So. I should also tell our audience before we jump in. This is the longest intro we've ever had. I'm sorry and I. also I'm also not going to edit this episode if I can help it because I, don't have the time. Good. Purest form, Harry. So today for our topic a for this series of four episodes. We're actually going to be talking about people that we have sadly lost due to covid nineteen I know that we you know we lost. This is unprecedented times and we do not WANNA. Make light of anyone's passing. We certainly want to shine a light on four of people that we feel like made a huge impact in their. Of. Their genres we will be covering today we have TJ twos of subjects, mines, Broadway and country, and then a this year will the thrill is jazz for accurate. We will be covering for completely separate genres of people and today T J two, who are you covering? We'll because Tom. For those who did not catch the patent SEO episode those who don't know I'm I'm a newspaper writer for my you know like pay the bills job not that I'm not handsomely renumerated doing this podcast but So I actually wrote like a newspaper he kinda lied to it. So I kind of to who it is. Okay when and just like go ahead and read it. Head Sir Take it away. All right a when Bonnie rait signed the words I am an old woman and to her classic song. Angels Angel From Montgomery it sounded so personal and so introspective that many fans probably assume that she wrote the song for sales but she In Fact Dorado was not old and wasn't even a woman, the lyrics were pinned by a man in his early twenties at the time. That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, but it also doesn't make sense. For a career of one of America's greatest songwriters could be launched by at movie Salt Papua. It doesn't make sense for one artist who have inspired as diverse group is Bob Dylan a bit Midler the black keys casey must graves Johnny Cash Arielle. How to songs that often tackled issues and view the world through a cynical prism help into lengthy Bill Murray wants down himself. How to someone who barely reach puberty write a song about divorce out of someone who wasn't there right. One of the definitive songs about the plight of Vietnam vets and how to someone barely in his twenties right. One of the most lauded songs ever about elder abandoned. It takes someone willing to listen and observe more than Paulk. It takes humility. It takes empathy. It took a man named John Prime. It's pretty bad ass wasn't. It is. Senior script Jan I was astounded at the web of musical connections. This guy had it's yeah, and this is this is a guy who if you just Listen to the radio and just listen to what's popular. You may not even be familiar with them but you have definitely heard songs. He's written that have been covered by other people and you. You've certainly heard people that have been influenced by all. So Jon Prime was born on October tenth nineteen, forty six in the Chicago suburb of Maywood. For those that are familiar with his music but not his life story necessarily that location might come as a surprise given his subtle but very noticeable Oakland. And on his early records, it wasn't subtle. Actually it was bakery notable. It was a hillbilly kind of like. That's after the fact that his parents William, Mason prime who was a tool and die maker who served as the president of the local US W and his mother Verna, Valentine homemaker both hailed from Paradise Kentucky. The family which included three other brothers would often visit Paradise during the summers finds use those occurrences. Thank you can action plan. Yeah. They would often visit Paradise during the summers of his youth experiences would inspire the song. Paradise, which would turn up on his nineteen seventy-one debut album. Unlike meaning artists, especially, a lot of the artists that you seem to have covered on the rock and Roll Heaven Podcast Day prime early life was not marked by turmoil or is. A lot of times out of turmoil bad situations great artist created. It kind of seems to be a fame that's run through a lot of your podcast. Grapple with like someone who had a half decent childhood, right? But parents had great parents and he genuinely loved his family inside to use like pictures of them on the table on stage when performing up until the end of his life on. Sweets yeah. Hey described his mother's being a great storyteller and said his dad shared that trait after quote he drank a few beers madman. His father was an avid country music fan. So prime was raised listening to the likes of Jimmie Rodgers the Carter family, Hank Williams, and other stars of the Grand Ole. There was some musical family lineage as his grandfather who was a Kentucky Coal Miner on a part time preacher had formerly played with Merle Travis? Who Co wrote a ring, a fire for Johnny cash and Everley who I think was the either the father of the grandfather of the emily brothers. Yeah. Crown, remembers listening to a remembered listening to music on a beat up old radio that would be mentioned a many years later in the Song Sam Stone that his dad would point towards the south on Saturday night to get a better reception of the grand opry wsdl out of Nashville allow. Even during the week, his dad would turn on that radio have a bear in port johnny as his mother called Him Orange Soda. Quote. He talked to me about politics and stuff here. All was six years old prime remembered. His Dad would often take in brothers to a bar. Dad would listen to the JUKEBOX and drank a couple of call ones while the patrons gave the kids Nichols to play the pinball machine wheels. So this is like an idyllic childhood. It almost sounds line produces what? Our parents used to do 'cause lying mom would take us to the summit which was a bar and they had jerry t and video games and they've let his flying. Yup, she byles Mozzarella sticks and and let us play Pacman. Wasn't the crack Corcoran barrel the court. Yeah Yup corgan barrel was. And then Campbell's truckstop like that is why. Like the repertoire used to go through that phase where he would take us to the hospital. The hospital. And we eight at the hospital. 'cause he's never had a really good. Yeah. So we were basically raised on like unsalted mashed potatoes. Like all all they would serve hospital cafeteria. Yet from the it was It was a we were fed. That's the bill. On by prins own recollection, he was a very poor student in school but even from a young age, he had a knack that most good ride share of big oddly observant and noticing things that a lot of people have looked. He said quote our would go to class and just stare at something like a button on the teachers sure. He wants told rolling stone she might as well have been up there barking like a dog I'd have no idea what she was actually talking. surprisingly, and this is just kind of a little throw in product sale gymnastics much like you did L. Day. which is, which is something he took up at the suggestion of his older brother Doug. Franz, it was something. He had no natural ability in whatsoever but was nonetheless something that he did. Well. When he could also do well from an early age was write songs in particular despite not having a lot of interest in school books and when he was, there's where the every everything you've said so far I've been like this is me the story of L. D. By tingey to. But I want you to really listen to this when he was fourteen years old crown wrote the song sour grapes and the frying Pan, both of which ended up on his second studio album diamonds in the rough ten years later. Crass Oh. So not yet old enough to have a driver's permit, he panned the lines. I couldn't care less if I didn't have a friend accept people would say I was crazy a wooden because I need the money except the same folks would say I was lazy say Sour Grapes you can laugh and stare say sour grapes but I don't care. And I came home from work and there was a note in the front. Am it said fixture on Supper Bay by runoff? The Fuller? Brush man. Missed away, she used to yell at me the way she used to cuss in moon, and if I ever go out and get married again, I'll never leave my wife that. Was Four frigging? I look at things I wrote you know four weeks ago and I'm like this is trash. Say I'm trying to think if I've written a song when I was fourteen sounded like Barney the purple dinosaur likely out of you. You love me ATV's friends meeting. Can we up we just? recenter this conversation on the fact that somewhere in your possession is a list of seven hundred ways to talk about vomit. Yup Yeah Yeah. For a while we'll the thrill. Worked on something called the Big Book of bodily functions. Something like five, six, seven, hundred ways to save you in. Two hundred ways to poop and I don't I can't remember several hundred ways to save far burp all. I mean we were we were eloquent at fourteen I think. We made the video for behavior. Right. Yes. This is. Came up with the phrase your stomach is rubber. The potty is glue. We. Were shakes your. Shakespearian yes. Nearly we were we were yeah. We were really close to John. We were really just we're at and it's like it's like prime TJ to la like in that order. Yeah. And then like Dylan Christoffersen and who the hell else ever. He was also playing Guitar Bodice Time? Two thousand eighteen NPR interview with Terry Gross, Prin recalled teaching himself a singer pick while trying to emulate the Blues Country and Oak stylings of Elizabeth Cotton and Mississippi John. He said quote when I was fourteen years old at sit in the closet in the Dr in case I ever went blond to see if I could still light products it. Cheese crackers. Yeah. He also said he said in that interview it was a good thing that he learned to play without being able to see spenders or the Har- as his belly had gotten so big, it could no longer flying anyway which kind of starts a little peek into the humor that comes to a lot of songs despite the sometimes Dr Aims that he tackled. Still PRONTO CBS this morning in two thousand, nineteen that he really didn't learn to play the guitar properly until he was seventeen a from those dark closet sessions he said, he realistically could play two chords. He said he and his brother likes to play rebel. Rouser by Duane Eddy that was one of their big ones. what his brother Doug took up the fiddle. He needed somebody who could play rhythm guitar with him. So Prom court himself into the instrument a bit more at that time, and apparently got pretty good at it. The the funny thing about prime the more I read about him in the more interviews a lot. He's very self effacing. I mean. We're going to get into the the list of people who consider him the greatest songwriter ever. Kris. Kristofferson. At one point said, if God had a favorite songwriter, it's John Prime? That same quite a bit. But he he he always talked down his own abilities he was. Tickled to death in one interview us all that there. Youtube videos that say like learn to pick like John Prien, and he's like. I want to do that. In fact he said that. His all of his songs he's he thought sounded a lot like you said, I try to play in a debate and it would still sound like Iraq is. So, very horrible. Their self abasing duty Ma from even from an early age it sounds like. Upon graduating from high school to. His brother Doug's advice and got a job as a mailman. Those observational skills that he seemed to be born with which were likely fostered by both of his parents served him. Well, then as it is natural gift of crafting lyrics, he wrote a number of songs that going to be considered classics while delivering the mail in. Them in his own. Head. He said I wrote a lot of my first album on the mail route because there's not much else to do or mail route told NPR in two thousand seventeen. The best way to write a song is to think of something else, and then the solemn kind of creeps in the beginning makes no sense whatsoever it's just like rops and then all of a sudden I'll go into I'm an old woman named after my mother. Apparently when you deliver the mail back then they actually had these really giant the huge boxes that if it was raining, you could stop at and put your mail in so it wouldn't get wet. Sometimes, he said he would just sit in those and ran at scribbled lyrics. which although it was pretty interesting. They. Still have those. I I don't thinks I. Well because you know now most mail carriers are in. Jeeps or trucks or or whatever I think back then like they actually had like a giant statue over the back wall neuralgia for the most bar allow. Okay. Yeah. So if it was Ryan and you needed somewhere to kind of stick your mail so it wouldn't get you know soaking wet or whatever. Right In a grammys interview along with Artists Surgical Simpson a couple of years ago. Prime said, his songwriting was influenced the most by Chuck Berry actually, and also about the bluegrass music that he grew up listening to. He said his early songs quote had a very high body count. Like those bluegrass tunes that he heard in his youth ones where he said quote, a guy would drag his wife down by the river drown or shooter, and then go back to his mom's house wearing a bloody t shirt and thank he had a great day. which if you've listened to a lot of Beluga exactly pretty accurate. Fair. Records. The fair. Yeah. I mean because if you think alike. Something like Oh country bluegrass sounds like Green Green Grass Honam. It's such a pretty song as like yeah. No, it's really not read them. There's a lot of people dying in those songs. Contemporaries would be like Nick Cave. Right McKay even the bad seed somebody like that, right? Yeah. Okay. So. In late nineteen, sixty, six primes career careers a mailman took brief and unplanned date tour when he was drafted into the army. This. was during a time when the conflict in Vietnam and America's role in it were beginning to escalate. So if you got drafted than, you probably have a pretty bad feeling about where you're going you know. Luckily. For Prime, he wasn't sent to the frontlines of combat in Vietnam. He was instead sent to West Germany where he worked as a mechanical engineer. He apparently didn't speak much or very highly of his service telling rolling stone at one time that his contributions mainly consisted afloat drinking beer and pretending to fix trucks. but you know maybe and we'll get into this in a little bit as his first album comes out and and there's a song. That's one of his more famous I think seeing guys who did go to Vietnam who didn't get the break of being sent to West Germany or other places where there wasn't active combat going on, I think he because he he had a lot of empathy. He took note of that. And he he he saw that he knew that he was luck. You know he knew that. I hate to use the price but that he dodged a bullet. Yeah. So once he returned home, he had actually married his high school sweetheart and Carol before being sent overseas, he can resume his mail delivery. But he also began performing in public for the first time. Hitting an Mike night at a bar called the fifth peg in Chicago. which was a gathering spot for music teachers and their students from the nearby Old Town School of folk. Folk. Folk. I. said that Word Funny You. GotTa be careful say folk. Drinking a handsome johnny during honey. But but that's the there was a a school called the old, town school of old or actually himself went to hone his picking and a lot of the students and teachers from there would would kind of tumble into this bar late at night now supposedly primes first performance there came after an Oh, you think you can do better challenge from another performer. and has an Assad to whomever that fellow might have man who said that Jon Crime. Since you are Bob Dylan are sure you that John didn't do it better than you. Just say. His first appearance prime was paid to make a weekly performance there and to listen to the sweet daily. Got He got half the house coverage or how about that everybody that came in? That's pretty darn good half. The hat sounds like a generous cut until you realize it cost fifty cents to get into. So he got a quarter for every person who showed up basically. Bill. You bringing people what he wants right? Well, now he said he normally brought in about twelve and since one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven, sixty, six. This is a very light sixties right about nineteen seventy at this point on I mean granted a quarter still a quarter but I think it went a little further in nineteen dig a little further but his hobby was making him a couple extra bucks. Even at this point, he he really had no designs on pursuing music as a full-time profession. This when faint intervene a intervened or rather or the aforementioned salty popcorn and shitty movie chances the course of his life. In October of nineteen seventy. Roger Ebert who was then the movie reviewer for the Chicago sun-times was watching film that he was going to review the entertainment section about week's newspaper and I think back then on Fridays is when they ran the big weekend entertainment section in the Chicago sun-times and in most newspapers. Thanks. in several interviews recalled subsequent meetings with Ebert or the reviewer detailed forum. That the movie he was watching was lousy in the theaters. Popcorn was extremely over-salted. So he actually, he actually left the screening of the film early and he did so with a draw miles. So he decided to grab a beer. So he stopped into a place called the pay. Someone at the Bar told him that he should go to the back room and check out the country folk guy who was playing and was assured that quote the kids songs are better than that movie abor did. Roger wrote about Roger wrote about me instead of the movie the next day prime told NPR. In two thousand seventeen. The Chicago sun-times from October. Ninth Nineteen seventy featured a back page review of Ebert headlined the Singing Mailman who delivers a powerful message few words. A portion of that review rage he appears onstage with such modesty. He almost seems to be backing into the spotlight. He sings rather quietly and his guitar work is very good but he doesn't show off he starts slow but after a song or to even the drunk in the room, begin to real to listen to the lyrics and then he has you Abbott wrote. And you have to keep in mind. This is a completely different world. This is fifty years ago there's not an Internet. There's no twitter or facebook or any of that kind of stuff. So newspapers still carried a lot of power to influence things, and if Roger Freaking Ebert wrote a music review about some guitar picker, it was kind of a big deal i WanNa know what the movie was I looked and look and I could not find it. I tried my best to find. It was apparently just crappy movie from like nineteen seventy. So. Other. Than Star. Wars A lot. But I, mean, this is this is something either never finished the correct. Right, right. Right. He didn't even he didn't even write. He never rode view about it. He didn't say the end of it. He left it saw I and he was thirsty. But so you could probably talk about those even even more. Because you've studied the history of theater and film and all this stuff. If you got a big review in a newspaper in the night in like in one thousand, nine, hundred seventy that was a huge deal that made a big difference then. Because that was that was one of the the try mediums is like you had television you had. You've had movies, and then you had newspaper and radio so that those were your as your four types of. Informational outlets and. You get your music from the radio you get all your other information either the TV's because at this point, they weren't doing newsreels in front of the if I'm if I'm remembering correctly there. Because, TV, had become a larger medium within the sixties. Kind there was a large it was a larger medium, but we have to remember nineteen seventy especially in rural areas like we were from not everybody even had a TV. That's true. But then you always had the radio wishaw which has always since its advent has maintained. A resident in. Reporting like we I mean I still listen like I probably comes to shock to any of our listeners that I still listen to am. I don't really listen to FM radio I only listen to am radio. And other podcasts and that's pretty much it. So like it's it hasn't been until the advent of the Internet where we had things like twitter where we could get, we're literally I found out a couple of hours after Wolford grimly had died that he died. Right. Ends up what's happened today or up he will for Bromley. Yeah. We're. We're actually has a the today as we record this. Yes because there were there were there were much fewer gatekeepers I guess is the word I'm looking for you right now you could tweet something to put it on facebook or instagram or whatever, and and thousands of people can say a few minutes. Ledley when we had the earthquake, which was not a pleasant thing to wake up to I thought I literally tweeted the word earthquake at like four thirty in the morning, and then you texted me like four minutes later you're like I saw your tweet now like I'm fine. Yeah. But but there were but but now anybody can throw something online up online thousands of people can see it in a few seconds. It wasn't like that sixty years ago. Now, only the majority of households might not have had a television at that point. What if you got a big back page review written by Roger Ebert in a big major daily newspaper that was a big deal? Yeah. He's really deal. It's a trusted source. To. His for someone to supersede would he typically talks about that would be like us doing an episode on I don't know an episode of the Sopranos. Right Nights. It's like something that is. Not, in our technical wheelhouse and we just take a divergence into that. The review from Ebert went onto marble at prins turn of phrase in his biting lyrics. He said the Song Sam Stone, which is about a morphine addicted Vietnam vet. went by different title, Tom Quote says more about the last twenty years in America than any doesn't adolescent acid rock piece dirges. And he cited the lime quote there's a hole in the arm. There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes and Jesus Christ died for nothing I supposed. You hear lyrics like that. Perfectly fitted deprives quietly confident style and his goes to the Kentucky accent and you wonder how anyone could have so much empathy and still be looking forward to his twenty fourth birthday. Pretty. Lofty price. Yeah. Yeah after that Review Ryan interest in prime spiked he started playing three nights a week one night a week and the house was not only full every night there was a land outside the door every night he played. He started playing shows at the earl of Old Town and was paid one thousand dollars a week under the table do so. Nice that sound like all the money in the world is someone who is taking home less than five hundred dollars a month delivering the mail. Saying he said quote Mago was getting out of the post office. I was a mailman walking in the snow six days a week twelve hour days I thought this is heaven once got out I king of the hill I slept white all week and made a thousand dollars a week. I didn't care if I never did anything else I was a total one hundred percent success. With bus starting to build, he attracted attention of other songwriters one of those. Whose name Amax going to withhold for just a minute urged his friend Kris Kristofferson to go to a prime show in Chicago. It was late and the earl was closed when the two arrived, but the door was still a lot. So the two men came and found prime wedding around to get paid. They. They're urging prime pulled out his guitar and played. Kris Kristofferson who at the time his career was exploding already being acknowledged as one of the best songwriters in the world recalled quote about end of the first land we knew we were hearing something else. It must have been stumbling onto Bob Dylan when he first busted out onto the village same. So Chris. Christopherson upon hearing. Of the first on. Any heard by the guy compared him to Bob Dylan. I'm just GonNa Kinda let that just sitting marinate for a second follow some more than Johnny. Chris. Christopherson is one of those people that I'm going to be really sad to episode on with that Man is keys a Rhode scholar Golden, Gloves Boxer Joe Award winner winner Randy wetter like. Hugh look at his life and you're like crap I have done nothing with us saw a sock as a human being because. Having for a while because he can probably talk to take time. Yeah. Sure. Definitely. But you think I want you to think about this. Do you think about all of his what he stands for and his political stances and stuff but I want you to think about the fact that give even in spite of all that he volunteered to go to Vietnam. Bone to your and was told, no, no no, you're too valuable. We need you teaching it West Point. I mean I I don't know how you can't respect the dude. Helicopter was not the story. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So there this goes back to the Felon Peter Cooper I mentioned at the very beginning because I asked him about this one time when I interviewed him. Johnny cash alleges that Kris, Kristofferson quote commandeered a helicopter from the national. Guard armory, which is a nice way of saying stole jacket. and fluid to Johnny, Cash House, landed it in his backyard, and he got all holding a beer in one hand and a cassette type in the other and handed cash the cassette type, right? So Cooper told me he interviewed Christoffersen once and asked him about that Chris it. You know it. Took two hands to fly helicopter at that time. So you know John exaggerated a little bit. Which is the best Christoffersen I can do and I Our families is full of people who can do incredible. Imitations like that was that was that was a that was a spot on imitation, of course. Like he was hacking into this zoom session, people go into that section. Think we're interviewing Chris Christopherson. If like to hack into the zoom session, our code is eleven Wa. Four Seasons. Joe quoted Chris. Pride said quote there was nobody in the world I would rather have been playing my songs for at the time. When S. was going well, what was going through his mind as he was playing for Kris Kristofferson he joked beer. which may not actually have been a joke. Because he said, he often had have a couple of beverages I started singing for people back then. Prime was soon offered a one album deal with del Mar records but the deal call for him to only do a few of his own compositions in a number of covers. It's odd that any deal would not have focused more on Prins, own songs and just put emphasis on singing sits prion really didn't like the sound of his own voice then. Hey recall wanting to run out of the studio and listening to his vocal playbacks in studio early recordings. So he ultimately passed on that deal. Christoffersen ended up offering a chance to open for him at a club date in new. York. And Atlantic records executive was in the audience and Prin signed with Atlantic at. The next morning. Cheese and crackers. So. There was a guy named Jerry Wexler who is apparently a pretty legendary. Record executive he was sitting in the audience and he watched produce three songs, which is all the time he was allotted and that was all he needed air and he signed in the next morning. In nineteen seventy-one prime self titled Debut Album was released and for fans of prime and his style of music almost serves as a greatest hits package. There is hello in there which captured the loneliness and pain of an aging couple now, hey, delivered mail owners routes to a Baptist retirement home but in his us in his youth, he also worked a paper route with a friend and doing so didn't just entail dropping off a bunch of Piper's when you got to this Baptist retirement home, you actually walk to each individual room and had to hand the the People newspaper. He said that he said that the people that he saw would actually pretend that he was their grandson or nephew who come to save them because they're actually their actual families rarely did. Oh God that sucks, yeah. Hey, told CBS this morning he was also close to Oliver's grandparents and that he always naturally gravitated towards older. There was the song illegal smile which contrary to popular belief is not about smoking weed. Province said it was about how he always smiled and laughed at things. Other people didn't find funny. But he allowed quote it was such a good anthem product smokers that I didn't want to have to stop every time I played it and make a disclaimer. Never corrected anybody he's like if you get about Wade you're on. I don't care. There was your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore, which takes a little bit of a jab at. Patriotism. Prime conceptualized it again while delivering the mail as he saw American flag decals that were inside Reader's digest magazines all over the suburbs where he worked. It's a it's a funny song if you've ever heard it, but it also contains the line. But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore were already overcrowded from your dirty little war. Now, Jesus don't like killing no matter what the raisins four and your flag big. How will get you into heaven? Anymore Who? Probably the best known song from his debut album was angel from gumri starts with the line I mentioned at the outset I am an old woman. One problem was asked about things such unique corn view for a song. He simply said that no one ever called me could. Authors create characters. So he didn't see why songwriters couldn't do the same thing and he frequently tried to look at the world through the eyes of others, and this guy's those with is of an unhappy middle aged woman who older than her years won't it out of her life out of her marriage and hope quote an angel from Gumri, would take her away from misery. He told. An interviewer he talked about writing the song a buddy of his was a song writer said Hey look let's write. US another song about owed people. And Price had. Kind of already said everything I wanted to say about that. You know that song I wrote called Hello in there. And the guy was like, no, no. Come on. Let's do it and it. Okay. Well, let's do one about a middle aged woman who actually feels older than she is. And the friend thought about for a second that sucks we don't need to do that. But prompted himself and it turned into angel from Montgomery. He figures that Montgomery came into play because of his affinity for the Workers Hank Williams. Course country legend grew up there. He said a lot of people. Because he grew up in Chicago thought it was because there is an angel gargoyles on the Montgomery Ward Building in Chicago but he said that that has nothing to do with the next of the song. He also said there is no gender when it comes to being a writer. So he he just hate felt comfortable taking on. The character even if it was a middle aged woman or an old cop or anybody else. The Song Paradise which actually speaks against the practice of strip mining would be adopted by environmentalists as kind of an aunt. Despite, the subject matter, the Song Paints a picture of Paradise which prime remembered has having two general stores and not much else as an idyllic place it old CBS this morning quote us kids also paradise through our Dads is and that his dad love taking his kids there. He largely wrote the song he's told CBS This morning. So his dad would know that he was actually a songwriter. So basically once primed got to wear, he could pick and sang pretty well, he would play Hank Williams and Roy aac up songs for his dad who already talked about was a huge like old country fan but he wanted his own and realized that he could craft teams. So he said his dad who who's mentioned in the Song Paradise, really liked it. Now, the one thing you'll find if you read a lot about or watch interviews, he's given to exaggeration at Tom's except when he talks about himself, he talks his own singing playing and songwriting. Pretty Awesome. His brother of Billy, who's a couple years younger than prime? Who Prom would often describe as quote being almost seven feet tall and two feet taller than me despite the fact that he was six fifty six and not even a foot taller than Don Brown was. So that, their father was genuinely touched. The first time from played in Paradise told American songwriter quote my father was speechless. It was the most emotional look. I've ever seen on my dad's fax. And I. Think this is a good time to check out our first musical offering from this propriety. So let's Stop here and listen to the Song Paradise John Primes self titled Debut Album. All right. Here we go. When I was a child, the family would travel down the Western Kentucky where my parents were born. And there's a backwards down off then. So, many times. THEM RE is war and Daddy won't take me back the Mu Berg county down by the Green. Where they're dies. Saw Mass. To. Mr. Go Train. All Way. Some tablet travel down. Green. The band and all. Down, by, review. Where they're still lacks. Week shoot with our. Buddy, m the. Was All. We would give. And Daddy won't take me back view heard county down behind grain. River where fair KYW's. Saw Mass. Too late as Mr Bean. Trains all. Nicole. CAIN with the world's largest show and tortured the Denver and Strip doll lane. Well it Doug for their. Land four saying then narrowed it all down as the progress of Maine and Daddy. Take me back to me hurt county down the Green River where. Sorry Mass. Budget to. Ask Mr Bean. Go train is all play. When A. National Slow Down Grain. Long Up to the RAV jester down. Be At way to heaven with their. Just five miles away from wherever I. And Daddy won't take me back. Burke county down by the Green River where they're. Solid Mass. As. MR DEBA- gold train is all the. Way. Nice. In Montana Mr Thrill hair literally look at each other and was like, Yup? That's like Dylan of doing dylan. It's or almost kind of like a Hillbilly James Taylor. Sort of. which is and I mean a little. Do. In that that classic singer-songwriter Vein don't you know dial and I really like the almost writing in of that like bluegrass slash Celtic Music Yeah it's. It's neat. It's unique. It's very which which is so funny because later in life he. Actually would spend part of each year in Ireland Fund that you mentioned that. But we'll. We'll get to that a little lighter. Stuff. Okay. So the first album did not make a big splash commercially up it didn't crack the billboard hot one hundred out I'll chart, but it was a critical success rolling stones would be read in part quote. This is a very good first album by very good songwriter good song writers are on the rise, but John Cryan is differently. His work demands some time and thought from the listener is not out to write pleasant tunes. He wants to arrest a cursory listener and get attention for some important things he has to say, and thankfully he says without falling into the trap of riding with overtimes of self-importance or smugness. A, the village voice gave the album and a writing. Other artists certainly took note of Primes early work, carly, Simon covered angel from Montgomery less than a year after prime. I do remember that version of that the garlic. I'd never actually heard Carly Simon version of that. I'd actually heard. I. Okay. Until recently I've not I've not heard it. Though it's been covered by dozens of artists every year probably the best known in love ours remains Bonnie rates nineteen, seventy or cover. She told Performing Songwriter magazine in two thousand song quote probably meant more to my fans and my body of work than any other songs. which you know you're talking about the person who saying. I can't make you love me and something to talk about Nichols and she says that's the one pretty much. In her body of work to her fan base I believe she is the only woman to have a specifically designed fender guitar. Yup. Is. Having seen her in concert, she certainly should. Go Pick. Yeah. Gain the she's the only one she shouldn't be the only one there. There are plenty. Nancy Wilson should have won I mean. Yeah paradise was covered by Johnny Cash John Fogerty the Everley brothers and Dwight Yoakam among many others. Sam was a song that pain wrote on his mail route in his head. When he got home he thought like he had something good. He frantically looked for some piper to lay down, but he couldn't find any. So he scribbled them three cardboard in sort of insert from packs of Tanny. Because that's the only thing you could bond Rodham down on. When prime was drafted, he was initially sent to a base in Louisiana and made to quote crawl around the swamp. So you can. We kind of already touched on you. You can imagine wearing figured he was going at the time. He of course, he ended up in Germany. He said quote I'm still dancing over that one. But five of his friends did end up going to the wars iron. Now of actually did make it home, but he said none were ever the same. He said, that was the basis of the Song Sam Stone, which was voted the eight saddest song ever written a rolling stone readers poll. Way What do you think the saddest song is? In home you. Oh God, he stopped loving her today maybe. Okay Maybe tears in Heaven Eric. Locked. I'm going to have to go Clarence Carter Patches. God Yeah Patches is pretty bad. That's my job dot com liquidity maybe. Holes in the floors of Heaven or Love Me is at Collin Raye. Love Me. Where Ya? Steve Warranted House in the four having Colin right was love me. Yeah. Yeah. Those are all pretty mild Lin Sam Stone if you've never heard of is pretty damn sad. It's right up there. Definitely. The the funny thing was on a Addul interview where he I I saw a couple of there's one I saw where it was he and Bill Murray being interviewed and there's one that was installed Simpson and I don't remember which one it was, but he was talking about that song. And he said that the first time he performed it. He he thought I think this is good but I'm not sure it's pretty sad. There's a line that we'll talk about in a minute that was considered pretty provocative. especially for nineteen seventy one. So he he he was a little unsure, but he goes up there and he plays it. And said, he finished blind the song and the audience just sat there and looked at it. And he is quite was will shit that must have been worse than I thought. But it's just it's so sad. The first time you would hear it I can't imagine the reaction you would have to which. May I love? What is the name again just called Sam Stone. Can Hang on. You know what I'm I'm calling an audible. And calling an audible sandwich. Day Forty, two, forty, two, Sam Stone. Because I want to I want this is a genuine reaction had never heard this song I'm the one. Emotional when I listened up so a whole lot with. What you with foil day we'll see what happens. Okay. Okay. Sam. Stone. Why family. To serve. The conflict over, Z. Time Sir. Shattered always nerve. Shrapnel. More beanies vein. And the grass. Game and long. Khanh. Lag. Burble are and Muggy. On is bad. There's a hole in. Money. Jesus tries. that. For another. pitchers. Big. Stop to camp. Sweets. Never, last too long broken radios. Sam Stones Well. Didn't last too long. He went to word. Last. Sami. Out then and Dollar. Without over. And the goal roll through. Vows Guerrero Drain. Zadie. Joe. While again ran around where. People's blow. There's a whole manny. Jesus, trying. that. As pitchers have. Known stopped. Sweet. Songs never last too long. Broken radios. Sam Straw. Loan. Way Bob. Last Baloney. Wow on wall while sitting in a chair. Really played his last. Wow. Room smell just like. With an over Dole. Brandon and air. Fun. To me. Ball on Gi Bill. flag-draped passed it on a little heroes. Ariza Hole. Is. Raleigh money go to. Jesus cries. adver. pitchers. Don't stop. Ear. Sweet zones never last to own. Mix up another handsome Johnny will not when you all. I mean, it's okay. Maybe I'm maybe I'm a jerk. Maybe I've got a heart of stone. But I'm like that's more disturbing to me than release. Sad it's like It's like a protest for something that's already happened. It's like. But but you also have to view it through the prism of it being nineteen seventy-one. When it came out, you know what I mean. It's like we're a tad jaded by this point. How different that would a sounded? Fifty years ago I mean that's that would have been a gut point people do there weren't a ton of songs like that back then I mean Dylan probably I'm sure it's all a few others but not manny. Yeah and it's it is a heavy song. It's literally not but I think what it is it's not. Here's the thing where it's. Here's the thing when it comes to like sad songs not to get too much on A. But. When when you have a sad song something like tears in heaven or a he stopped loving her today like what you had those. Songs, we humanize them We. We have felt that way before where. Is Not a normal. Feeling for most of us to understand what it feels like to come back from war a completely broken person addicted to. Heroin right and. Abandoning your family and. Starting petty theft like we were. A depressing. Song. But it's hard to. Empathize but. With that sure. Yeah if you haven't been there and done that. But. That's. Kinda. WanNa his gifts is that he wasn't there and he didn't live that but he still wrote a song that's considered one of the definitive. Veteran. Songs and. I don't know that anybody at the at that point would have been writing about. Post traumatic stress disorder and a veteran's addicted to drugs and all that Kinda stalls Yeah I don't know if anybody else had done that. I'm not I'm not GonNa take away from the fact that it is a powwerful saw it's incredibly impactful. Audibly like it's it's it's a very, very good song. Away from it, I'm just saying it's hard for me to. Connect with it on that lower. Right. The song was actually covered lighter by number of artists most notably Johnny cash. Now if you could totally hear cash thing in that If you've heard the man in black's version. You know that the lyrics were altered just a little bit. Prin explained to rolling stone that cash was perhaps the only person he would have allowed ultra one of the psalms. ranted cash cash was working with their mutual friend Cowboy Jack Clement in the studio and wanted to record. Samsung. Famously. Devout in his Christian faith cash had a little bit of problem with the line and Jesus Christ dot for nothing I. Suppose. He said quote he didn't feel comfortable singing in that line. I said, well, you know it's the heart of the song for me. It's everything in the song kind of fell out of that one lap I know where I'm coming from when I say that it means there's no hope if the Veterans GonNa. Come home and be traded like that. Nobody's going to help them with his drug habit. What's the use of living? However prime did allow cash to make an adjustment changing the line in question to daddy must have hurt a lot back then I suppose. He said quote. It's Johnny. Cash all I know. Is he singing muscle? After. He said that cash was quote like Abraham Lincoln to me. and. The two had a little bit of mutual admiration society as cash listed Ron among his big four all Tom of songwriters. Pink Floyd did not cover Sam stone, but it has been noted that the song the war dream from nineteen ninety, three album. The final cut bears a very strong resemblance to sandstone sharing its chord progression instrumentation melody and not. The opening. Lot of the song can also be seen as an allusion to prince composition as it says. Tell me True Tell me why was Jesus Crucified is it for this that daddy odd. Roger Waters was an unabashed prime fan eventual friend. In Two Thousand Eight interview with Word Magazine. Waters was asked if he could hear pink flew people its influence on bands like. Hey responded quote I don't really listen to radio. I'll listen to the albums and they just didn't move me in the way that say John John Does. Just extraordinarily eloquent music and he lives on that plane with Neil. Young and John Lennon. had. A pretty hot. Brought I would say. Hello and there has been covered by John Denver Joan by is Bette Midler and David Allen Coe. Speaking of speaking of the latter, let's circle back to that song writer who insisted that his Buddy Kris Kristofferson go check out front and Chicago. That was a man named Steve. Goodman now even if you aren't familiar with him. First of all you should they city of New Orleans amongst many other great songs. You've almost certainly heard his name. In this home, you never even called me by my name co famously breaks into a reputation midway through the proceedings and says, well, a friend of mine named Steve. Goodman wrote that song and he told me it was the perfect country and Western. Song. I wrote him back letter letter and told him it was not the perfect country and western song because he had said anything about Mama or trains or drugs, or prison, or getting drunk. And then he of course launches into diverse that begins while I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison. As a personal aside, I should note that I am my groomsmen sang that song at a wedding reception because I am nothing if not on point. Before at a product of where I grew up. On my God well, everybody like you know what kind of night Karaoke was when saw that song because? You know it was a call an answer. Zinc. Sexy Dave did do I. Don't think it was it was it was me and all my groomsmen sang that at our wedding reception if you remember. Now I think sexy Dave sang at my birthday party. Living Okay. Yup Yup which. I am I this out later but I think that was the same night he actually in my cat's litterbox. Okay. All right. So so somebody I'm Kim to got drunk and China David Allen Coach Song. Checked what and you already litterbox? You'd had exactly and then painted your litterbox that sounds plausible you. Okay so you never even called me about nine is credited to Steve Goodman but most people don't know until his obituary mentioned that many years later John. Pride. Co wrote that Song. With. Running But he chose not to claim songwriting credit because he said quote I thought it was a joke. The to actually wrote it as a lighthearted spoofs of stereotypical country songs. Prompt said he he loved country music and didn't want to mock it. So he just left his name off of it. As Cho's version became a monster hit he said that Goodman called him one day and said. He sure you don't want your name on its. Goodman WHO's about accounts? I just a very great. There's a great human being took a portion of the sizable royalties he received from that smash it and on a nineteen forty, two, roll her jukebox as a gift. Prime said that Goodman in Kristofferson were the two most generous people he ever met. Not. Just in the music business but period in his life and. Pretty much his career you WanNa think that somebody's as talented as him would have been discovered eventually. but the review from, but they're very talented people who for whom that bright never calms. So the the Ebert Review was probably a huge part of it and Steve Goodman telling Chris Christopherson who was a big fan of Goodman waste. Thank. My songs are good you. You need to check out my buddy John Prin without without those three abor. Christoffersen Goodman. We probably aren't even doing August odd jump Ron Right. Honestly. Some hailed prime after his first album is quote the next Dylan which is flattering enough for a song writer. But get this in an early show that prompt played in New York Bob Dylan himself made an unannounced appearance, singing background and playing harmonica on stage brought. The capital that story is that prins album had not even been released yet. But Dylan. Had Gotten an advance copy of it and love it so much that he learned the songs, it just showed up and play. The FRY has amazing. For Dylan Goodman and Kristofferson to hail somebody's first album songwriting ability says quite a lot. in two thousand, nine Dylan told the Huffington post why he was drawn to strongly inconsiderate in his favorite song writer said quote prone stuff is pure prostate existentialism midwestern trips to the Nth degree and he writes beautiful psalms I remember when Chris Scott Kris. I brought him on the same Sam stone featuring the wonderfully evocative There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes Jesus Christ Jesus Christ, dot for nothing I supposed. All that stuff. About Samson. The Soldier Junkie Daddy Donald and Lydia where people make law from ten miles away nobody. But John Onto right like that. So. That's Bob Dylan saying that I would take as a stamp of approval pretty much. Yeah we've actually been talking about. Dylan ally. Couple of weeks he's got he's. You. Know. You when you guys did the protest protest song episode a couple of weeks ago. that deal it's like it's almost like you're doing an episode Dylan even though still alive because he wrote so many an influence. So many other people to do the same thing. Yeah well, he will the protest songs and then we did there were like two other episodes where. He prominently feature Georgia. Tradition, segregation and. Benefit concerts. Sopron was nominated for the Nineteen seventy-two best new artist award at the grammys. Now, that honor which is had a number of curious outcomes over the years. So prime the eagles, loggins Dana and Harry Chapin lose to America. Come on they did the soundtrack for the last eunuch uniform. said quote whenever I ran into Eagles through the years they would limit we should have written a horse with no name runs. Shaping was the other one. It was it was a prime the eagles loggins Messina Harry, Chapin in America in America. while. Unfortunately before project record came out, his father passed away it definitely impact them as he recalled. In an interview I saw and if somebody who has lost fathers a heartbreaking thing to hear. But he said he was at his dad's house drinking a couple of beers and play some songs and he said quote and I, didn't realize that I would never see my dad again when I'll. Switch that's that sounds like A. That has the makings of a fine country and western song of it's all I think gut much no kidding of in Nineteen seventy-two prime released his second album. It was called diamonds in the rough which was recorded quickly and rather cheaply at Atlantic records recording studios in New York City France had the recording sessions took three days and call seven, thousand, two, hundred dollars quote including beer. It was even more stripped down than his first album which y'all to songs from it. That was pretty strict about it's respects And it takes featured to turn towards the BLUEGRASS in the early country music that he loved. In the latter notes to great days, the John Cryan and policy quote I, just wanted to do dominance away I, always used to play music at a house with Dave his brother who plays Dobro. Banjo. And on the record and Steve Goodman who played guitar and provided background vocals but it's taken me years to figure out how to balance those first two records about every other record after making a real studio rock and roll album I'd come back and do a dominance of the. Russ. As already mentioned to the songs that made their way on the album written on was fourteen. He told American Songwriter magazine how the frying pan and sour grapes ended up there. is quote I had a girlfriend whose father was a janitor and the reason I'm telling you that is because he had access to a tape recorder and nobody else I knew had one. There were really rare a real to reel I sat down and type three songs for this girl and her sister and the three the three songs were frying Pan Sour Grapes and Twist and shout. Years later I ended up marrying that girl she was my first wife. She found the tape it was after I'd made the first album. So I put those songs on diamonds in the rough. And those were the first songs I remember writing. A notable song from the record was one called souvenirs. Now prime actually intended for that to be on his debut albums, but already cut twelve songs when he got ready to record it and the the paper pretty much just on them. Now you got twelve you're done. So this kind of was a holdover. He wrote it once he got his low pain Gig at the V bag where he got, you know a quarter for everybody who showed up at. Many of the faces in the crowd didn't change week to week prior to that Ebert review prime figured he needed to not play the same songs every week and should add to his repertoire. So basically wrote that song driving to the club one dyke rehearsed it in front of the Bathroom Mirror v Neck once and debuted it that not. Allowed from that, all the snow has turned to water Christmas days if common gall broken toys and faded colors are all that's left lingering on a hate graveyards and old pawnshops they always bring me to tears. I can't forgive the weather rob me of my childhood souvenirs. wrote that in his car drove into the globe. According to. That is. Dennis. That's unfair. At that point you at that point you're just showing. All right. According to prompts website artists was told by Goodman the song. Yes. I guess they ought to number drink after you had the potential to be a hit. said quote I was going for a Hank Williams Song Steve Goodwin always told me that if I'd taken another couple of minutes and put a chorus to the song. There isn't any I just put a tagline to reverse that it would have been a hit country song but I was set in my ways wants a song was done. It was done. The great compromise is an anti war song and a little bit of a protest. All other the lyrics don't necessarily read that way using a promiscuous girlfriend as a metaphor for America. In a loner notes to great. Quotes, the idea had in mind that America was this girl used to take to the drive in movies, and then when you went to get popcorn, she turned around and screwed some Ghana foreign color. He said are really love America I. Just don't know how to get there anymore. Which is pretty deep. Album had one cover song that being a remake of the Carter family's dominance Ross which ended up in. and. Prime said he borrowed the melody from Jimmy Rogers is treasures untold for his song the late John Garfield Blues In terms of chart success is second album did about the same as its predecessor getting to number one, hundred and forty idol, the billboard chart critically, it was again well received with all musics William Role in Saint John Ron. Second Album was a cut below as I only because the debut was a classic and the follow up was merely terrific. David, Fricke wrote that was quite a superb collection of tones entails recorded with Acoustic no-frills living room ambience. The village voice gave it an A. minus writing. Now. Let's step away from his albums for minute in Connecticut and idea for the John. Concert been light at this time. Prime like a lot of kind of folk country artists at the time at 'em Singer songwriters in general played with no band. It was just he and his guitar on stage. Said clubs, he played out with usually put a stole in front of a microphone since many musicians chose to sit while they played and sign. Prime would stand but often use the stolas a place to sit a six pack of beer and his ashtray. Like my right. Right here on. An interview with them where he said the other thing was at at that one, he still didn't know how to properly tuned guitar. So he would sit there for up to fifteen minutes sometimes being being. and. He would just have to like bullshit and tell stories to fill how. Did Not get. Developing a dedicated fan base and then offered a featured stellar musicians and when he played in Chicago Comedians from second city including Bill Murray and John Belushi. The show love this story, a couple of times. The latter of those being John Belushi actually lobbied to have prime as a musical guest on the second season of Saturday night live when the beach boys were scheduled. Musical Act relied scratch. So he was actually on season two Saturday night lob as a musical guest. Yeah I don't know. Okay. Here's the thing. Now I don't know if I would take. Suggestions from John Belushi about John Belushi on musical guests because. he goes. Musical guests from like the first season and it was a punk rock group that ended up destroying the set. One of them might take a dump on my own. It's often like. You GotTa consider your source here. Was John Belushi making these right now? Again. Last night be suggests that if someone pooped on out so Looking at this jaws crime. I think. Canadian Canadian. SONGBIRD and Murray did the same thing I've had several hats donny's. Look the only reason why I know and Murray is because you know grandma would give up on me and go to bed and. Let Me Watch TV and Anne Marie would have those like. albums. The Tob life, music? Yes. Commercials. Sure. The Time Lakers I remember we stayed up until two am watching those because one of them was an murray one of them was Kenny Rogers and Enra- Stephen showed up. Yup I not A. Single Year my mother would play the hand Murray Christmas. Every single year. But. Lewis of our remembering that right Do. What was an Murray friends with Sherry? Lewis Am I. Sure. Why not? Yong said. That nobody can see this. This is just a kind of a joke for the room y'all are sitting on a couch together and I can't see will's hands. So you're almost like his. Like his lamb chops. Off. Just. I on my friend. And nineteen seventy-three. Best. Brian head moved to Nashville and he released his third album sweet revenge. It contained a couple of classics like Mexican home and Dear Abby, which was actually recorded live when Prin studio was quite really stiff and humorless. Again. The reviews were positive. It was noted that he seemed more vocally confident a bit more mature and was developing a sense of cynicism. But again, album did sell fairly modestly in nineteen seventy five he put up album common sense which would be his most successful album commercially to that point it actually hit number sixty six on the billboard chart. With contributions from Bonnie rait Glenn Fra and Jackson Browne and production by Steve Cropper of Booker T in fame, you would think that it would be a winner Jan.. Frans said he came out of MIT, the studio with a good record however, the book John John In spite of himself about other Eddie Huffman said quote cropper was moving into the rock and roll big leagues as producer working on Rod. Stewart's next record around the same time he decided primes album needed fleshing. I'll despite the singer's reservations cropper took the tapes to Los Angeles and added the cons of overdubbed arm had said he wanted to avoid. So, it reached a larger audience reviews were sort of mixed on that one with a major complaint being that Crohn's lyrics got lost in the middle of a lot of ways that cropper light on top. Prime Mount his first tour of America and Canada with a full band that year but he was growing disenchanted with Atlantic records, which he didn't think same to get him or his music. So he asked to be released from his contract. In fact, he went to Omit Erdogan who is like a Titan, the record industry and pretty much said Y'all suck and you don't know what to do with my music I would like you to let me out of my contract and Oregon to his everlasting credit did obliged and he let out of this record contract. So he signed with asylum records which was kind of saint as being a little bit more singer Songwriter. Friendly. He worked on his next album with his Buddy Cowboy Jack Clement. With some of Nashville's best session musicians, they hold up in clements addict studio round the clock six a week. In rolling stone in two thousand, seventeen quote we were high as dogs. Really good stuff. The problem according to problem was they weren't getting the record they were playing everyday in the studio. He eventually turned to his friend Steve Goodman. The nineteen seventy, eight album bruised oranges was a huge hit but the critics got back own A. Prime Saad and it featured ten very well received songs. The title track is another. Complete like. hob The sharp instruments. Tune about a real life tragedy from Franz us. Fellow Church alterable way was hit by a commuter train. ooh. Yeah the song there she goes seemed to elude the crimes on crumbling marriage, which ended not long after the album's release. There was also if you don't want my love which he wrote with legendary producer. Phil Spector. Now, that seems like a very odd pairing. But prompted NPR's Terry grossed one of his early champions was La Times music critic. Robert Hilburn. Pran ran into him And learned that Hilburn was writing a book with Specter and was at his house every single night interviewing him over untold prom he should come up and meet a specter. Princeton. He was reluctant at first because he doubted that specter would even know who he was but said that Spector had actually quoted some John Brown lyrics to him during their interview. So prin did come up and specter played him an unreleased Leonard Cohen Album that he was producing. A prime described Specter's houses quote like a circus show. said that his drink never got below half full and noted that Specter's two bodyguards. One of whom was quote a swarthy skinny guy and another that quote looked like to Bacha. Aw. Spent a said that spectra were a three piece suit at all times and a shoulder holster. With a gun in it. As Front as problem went to leave that night specter sat down at a piano new the front door urge prone to pick up an unplugged electric guitar they wrote if you don't want my love in less than thirty minutes. Six months later, prime prime came back and played a recorded version of the song for Specter. They started another song again as prom delays called God only knows now pride intended to finish the song later but he had trouble dome inside. He said that for years when he would go to do a new album, he would kind of circle back to it and go into what I should I should finish that song and for some reason, he just he couldn't finish the song. He did eventually complete it. But once specter was in prison for murder. Which obviously most folks who follow music and celebrities that are aware that spectators jail for murdering his wife eldest. Yeah Bonnie Ronnie Lee Bagley brought others the others as. I remember like the doesn't I remember the trial are the trial more than. A hair. All The the hair and the face and the glasses are bike burned my retinas and we'll never leave me. But, the the wants prime finished the song it contained the line if I should betray. Today then God. Only knows the price you pay. He said he was quote shocked but not sure shocked by the murder allegations who get specter he said quote he always had guns round and he was always waving them around. You know I'm not exactly sure about how the whole thing happened but that was the part I was not shocked about now we're going to listen to. The Song God only knows. But I'M GONNA give everybody a little bit of a heads up. So this song started writing it in the very late seventies prime didn't finish it until. Twenty five or so years later and it didn't record it until then. By. That time John Cryan had had a life of the that. Negatively. Impacted his voice well, not not necessarily negatively but his voice was decidedly different and I'm telling you that only because if you've heard the first or songs we did and then you listen to this when you're not gonNA think it's the same person. And we will get y his voice sounded so different abandoned but just kind of giving you a heads up this one doesn't sound light paradise for Samsung but this is a John Brown. It's a song he started riding with Phil Spector and finished once bills factor was in prison called God only knows again I will say before I start this song that if I lose my true crime card if I don't get this, right, we actually looked up it goes Lana Clarkson, not, Bonnie. Bagley so at its Lana Clarkson. That that he is he was sent to prison for murdering so. Here's a song. Who? Only, knows. is that you pay For the ones you heard. Away. BASHES betray. Myself today. God only knows. Only knows. We be. Over The. Game reveal. A field. Note. the. Sedan. Wait. Man. Off. Mattru. Did things that say. And the things add do. Ba true. James. Guy. knows. Okay. I. Got Three things I gotta say about that Song. Okay. Number one I actually like his voice a lot more in this one he he liked his voice better wants it changed and we'll get into why change a little bit lighter eight you eight John Himself agreed with you. Yeah number two it's very lou. Reed Ish this is this is very, very reminiscent of especially like take a walk on the wild side. And the number three I would love to have heard the version that he wrote. With Phil Spector because I feel like the difference between that one and what actually got laid down later in life probably would have been something like comparing Joni Mitchell's a love from both sides, Rod I specifically think it's both sides now from Joni, Mitchell but other artists have revisited their songs. From your younger and they have changed differently. But like I would have loved to have seen the difference between those two songs. Yeah. Sure. Definitely. The only thing was it was it was unfinished and I don't know what to what state it was unfinished or how much they wrote and lay down before. Literally before primes cab showed up that night and the to leave. But it took decades to finish the song. What was interesting about this one is an earlier talked about his influence is being kind of that grand old opry. This sounds more like Hank Williams than any of the other stuff we listen to Safar. Yeah it does but you can also hear at first of all the voice is so much different. and. It doesn't sound like Ersan but but then. Just. Musically, it sounds completely different from anything we've we've played up. Sounds a little bit richer and fuller I know if that's he'd finally gave into the mix you know that you're you're saying like it stripped down raw and other some This seems more. Mixed, with like overlays and things that he would have fought against initially bright because you can hear the background singers in strains and the and electric guitar, which we haven't heard much of on his early songs either, right so So primed to two more albums for asylum records. The I was nineteen seventy-nine pink. Cadillac. It was produced mainly by Knox and Jerry Phillips and two trucks were produced by their dad. A Yo might have heard of by the name of Sam, Phillips the legendary founder of Sun Records. It. Martin. Departure with prime focusing much more on a rock sound and recording only five of his own songs with the rest being made up of rocks from his youth. Rowing Similar David Marsh team to quote and almost unqualified disaster and I had never quote sung such a half ass grab bag of songs. William Roulmann running for all music was a little bit condor saying quote pink Cadillac was a good idea that went slightly awry the execution. France years lighter though that the album developed into a fan favorite over Tom's the next album was nineteen eighties more country flavored storm windows, which was much more well received by critics than its predecessor was. That was primes last album for asylum and that it was his last record for any major liable. He had begun to grow. Weary of dealing with record labels and he had taken a dim view of what he's always there exploitation of artists. So he formed his own label he was actually one of it was a pioneer. In this way, he was one of the first artists to form their own record label. He started oboe records in Nineteen, eighty-one with his manager Albany Ed. I should point out that his first manager was actually Paul Anka I. Just find it funny. When when Christofferson showed up at the Earl township to hear him play. It was actually Hey Steve, Goodman and Paul Anka. And go was his first manager but primes broader said that ACA basically collected his percentage and didn't really do much for him. And Veneta was much more straight guy who? Who really liked and he kinda got Ryan and he He was a bare knuckle guy got kind of all for him and stop. So they apparently got along really really well, and they own record label together and the first release on the album was a red vinyl Christmas, forty files that featured on singing. I saw. Mommy Kissing Santa Claus and silver bells am. Don't people who don't know who Paul Anka is. He just put your head on my shoulders puppy. Love. Diana. And pennies from heaven like he was one of those like. Dog Producers Sort of. Puppy love singers. That's what I'm trying to. Japan Yup. Yup. Prime fans were so loyal. They mailed a boy chicks often with note, saying that the next prime album to just be delivered to them in exchange for the money that they were sending them. Enough was collected that primes recording sessions for nine hundred, ninety, four's album aimless love were completely paid for. Yeah now that album did not chart at all but that we have to put an asterisk. Oh, match it was It was available mainly via mail order and Ernest tubbs record, store. But Rolling Stone said quote John on the elegant songwriter is still in pot for. Bob Dylan loved the song people putting people down so much that he immediately began covering it in concert. Prin alleges that a mailman approached him after a show once and asked if he wanted to hear Dylan Sane this on before handing him a bootleg cassette type of a Dylan concert from Rome. Italy. Progress for a prime biographer Eddie Huffman called the song quote unwed offers the best since his debut. Character Song that held its own with Sam, Stein Johnny, cash, and Tammy Wynette. Did Duet remake of that song? Causing that name. Wrong. It's one at. Tammy, Wynette. Jamie line et. Standby. Yet. One of my favorite off the right are SNL bits ever. We're going hustle play in Tammy? One. As. Natalie Cole sit quite sings the hits of her father's dead friends. And she starts saying stand. And tammy. WanNa Guess. Dead. AS Roma's get started. Bitch. Man Yours is. My favorite off the beat of SNL skit is. One that I don't think they'll ever show against the pasta maker five thousand. Because it's just it's might. Unpaid saying that it's it is so hilar-. So ridiculously. Funny. But like Mike Myers if you watch Mike Myers face in that skit is his name skin is the same face that he did when Tanya West. On. During Katrina. Looks like. The same thing it is it is so horribly pc it is not is not it would never fly. Now you could know nobody could ever fat or get it on a get an audience anywhere Nile. Bags of Nineteen ninety-two that was. Still get away with stuff like that in nineteen ninety-two there's almost no part of it that we can relive right now. So why don't we instead listen unwed fathers John? Role podcast. Great Segue. Wait that's not the song. Napoli. GREYHOUNDS SPE-. She Sits A. Family A. Goodbye Dilma. Or? Yellow the I'll ragged someday. Love or on. LAXA. Bad doing. While unwitted. Leave There are a law. Mad and string. Cold and. Laid down. Say No. Ground. Someone's. In. Agrees. Back. Some bad. On with The Around? The Romance Ban. Smoking Matt. Vows or is it down? Dawn live The team. Back, style band. Drain. With FAV. To a man. Run LAG walshaw. Man Striking. Okay, and for those wondering of the Lady's voice that you hear is Rachel Peter who was actually Prime Second Weiss. Yeah I was saying when we were listening to it as she sounds a lot like Kylie minogue she kinda does which is weird since I don't think she was from Australia but yeah. So nineteen ninety-four was a good year in a bad year for prime. Unfortunately his friends Steve. Goodman died at the age of thirty six of leukemia and I'm just going to encourage anybody who's never who is all that familiar with bronze work or with a Goodman's works goat go look at him up he is. He was a brilliant songwriter the dude wrote city of New Orleans. you never even called me by my name. For sports fans. Hey cut wrote. Go cubs go. The Cubs? Yes that Steve Goodman wowed. And he wrote door number three, which Jimmy Buffett recorded on one of his early albums was fantastic and he what left way too early of, but he died that year. The. Prime. Did get married this time to bassist Rachel Peter, who would just coaching in that song with him He told rolling stone a that marriage was doomed from the get go. Hey actually calls the eighties, his bachelor years. Hey would normally wake up around three thirty in the afternoon. Hey, go eat fried eggs and have his first beer of the day at Brown's diner. He play some video poker and hit a few bars with his buddies, Don Everley and townes Van Zandt. Then go to the grocery store and he would have dinner ready for his friends at one. Am when he knew they would all be heading home from various nightclubs. Drugs were fairly prevalent I know that's a shocker for musicians in the eighties. Out. Particularly cocaine and quite. Lose. Oddly given song that problem would inspire many of many years. Later, he was not a huge fan of marijuana and they said, he never was actually. Regrets go back. There was towns, a member of the Jacksonville Vincent's. No No. Not that. Not Checking on. Okay. which was Hanging, out with. Was Little Stevie you read Stevens A and that. is not related to lose Dave. You can see there's a number of Van Zandt. A. I worked with one apparently I didn't even know Linda worked with little stevie I don't remember this but. You're you worked with little stadium? That's pretty B- that's pretty awesome. I work with. We'll see the I know idea like we talked. Sopranos. When I was on soprano, his children want to watch him I'm sorry yeah. I've never seen Sopranos but apparently it's required reading if you're from my face. In the show. All in nineteen eighty, six prompt put out the grammy nominated German afternoon which a Time magazine called the worst album title in the history of music. It was a route he country record that featured contributions from Marty. Stuart. and New Grass Revival. Some of the songs were inspired by or at least reflected trends disintegrating marriage producer Jim Rooney said quote John and Rachel were having a very up and down time of it, but the resulting songs might have been worth all the trouble. Stand, standard offerings include speed of the sound of loneliness which is very clearly about his marital situation listen Another. That would go on to be one of the biggest hits of Priam's career though not his version of it was I. Just WanNa dance with you. George Strait Mulford that in nineteen ninety eight and it became a number one country was. Later? Yeah. That's actually probably the biggest hit that Prin ever wrote. Because King George cut it so I mean that just. An. was like between nineteen, ninety, four, and nineteen, Ninety, seven, Ninety, eight countries. Country, had this weird resurgence of popularity in the mainstream like had people that Country listeners listening to country huge. Yulia, whatnot you have absolutely you did. have yet hand tillis coming out you had. A future episode with. Mindy McCready. Shave my legs for this. What was her name Carter Santa Carter? Neal McCoy, you had all of these like. Kanji you're making that cross you had to like the late eighties of the eight th what is it called? The class of eighty, eighty, nine, it was. Garth Brooks Travis Trigger Clint Black. All those all those guys and that Kinda carried board for. Awhile and then you had like another group. Bust out in the mid late nineties who who you're talking about the Dana Carvey. Too Far off but man I loved Randy Travis. Benjamin. Yeah Oh. Yeah. WHO Doesn't? WHO Doesn't? Who Doesn't love you know who doesn't love or any Travis Communists If you don't live forever and ever. Manda probably don't like you I'm sorry I know that you're a couple handsome gentlemen Did use call, communist Communist. Communists like. Okay what Brandon If you don't like on the other hand, you are a communist and I probably wouldn't like. So prins marriage unfortunately ended in nineteen, Ninety, eight or nineteen eighty-eight. But that same year he met a lady nine Sione Wayland, born in Ireland Ireland would eventually become prins manager and the two would wed in Nineteen ninety-six and remained married until. PRIMES UNFORTUNATE DA's PRIN released the missing years in Nineteen ninety-one. Then put out a John on Christmas nineteen ninety-three and lost dogs and mixed blessings and nineteen ninety-five. In one, thousand, nine, hundred however prime learned he developed cancer in his neck. He knelt alone he felt a lump there but he thought it was a bulging blood vessels. Literally, he would just like shave around it and thought literally nothing of it for a long time. He ended up having to have extensive surgery to remove diseased tissue and underwent weeks of Radiation Treatment Ooh the procedures left him with a slightly slumped head. It damaged nerve endings in his tongue and it damaged salivary glands. Hey required more than a year of therapy before he could sing again and when he did. So his voice was lower and a bit more raspy which we heard in the Song God only knows which you said you prefer La and he did to. Let me lay. Okay. You know when you get sick like you, you have got years of radio behind you like years and years. You would get sick and you'd start healing. There is at like three day period where you had like a really gravelly voice but it was it was cool. It wasn't well. When I get when I get some kind of throat thing it always makes my voice really deep and so i. instead of Barry White I call myself very white. He's been drinking rum. Yeah no there's three days where it's like sexy. Cool. But like. That's John John's voice sounded like when ours like I actually liked it more because it was deeper and it felt it felt older and more developed it had. Did He send? So it. So he had a year and a house in between concerts and when he goes to play his first win. Post recovery he was unsure how audience would take. His new voice but he said afterward, they were with me boy were they with me so does his audience was very receptive to it. Off Prime adopted Fiona Son Jody and the two had two children of their own in Sons Jack and Tommy. So prime became a father for the first time at age forty eight. Those shortened but. Fiona said that he was a very good father though he he was obviously sometimes absent as he toured. He would invariably return with a suitcase full of toys for the boys and said it gave him a good excuse to toy stores which he liked doing anyway. How Hanley's a really nice all around guy. Yeah Hey. Hey. You. You would have. You'd be very hard pressed to find anybody who would ever say anything bad about Don. Frye if you please go look I because I it i. He released in spite of ourselves in nineteen, ninety, nine and souvenirs in two thousand. Then he took an unusually long break from recording before releasing fair and square in two thousand five. That one hit number fifty, five on the billboard album charts and Ned in his second grammy win in the category of best contemporary album. He and Mac Wiseman who was in his eighties Tom offered up an album of cover songs called standard songs for average people in two thousand seven. In two thousand, thirteen pride had a second bout with cancer. This time it was in one of his lungs. It was called Berry early, which was owed to the regular tests and x-rays that he had following his first cancer battle. Part, of his long was removed, but because it was called. So early, no chemotherapy already I should was necessary to stop. He told us this morning. A friend who happened to be a personal trainer ended up concocting very odd recovery therapy for pride. Would have him run up and down a flight of stairs three times. Then he would throw him a guitar and make him a play two songs. And it wasn't the same songs over get Tom to every time. The Guy would like literally Throw Guitar Adam and do and go like Paradise Sandstone them. Would have to play those two songs while he was out of breath running up and down steps. And it obviously work that he was back on the road with a few months round. In Two thousand sixteen at the suggestion of his wife Prime released for better or worse. It was a duets album featuring covers of country classics with a number of female artists that prime hurt including Miranda Lambert. Casey. Most Gripes Amanda Shires Leeann. AMAC Alison Krauss Susan, Tedeschi Kathy. Matteo and Fiona Brian his wife. At the time. It was the highest charting album of his career reaching number thirty on the billboard hot two hundred album charts. Prion and Fiona who spent part of each year at at a home in her native. Ireland. As I mentioned earlier took full ownership of oboe records when prins friend and former manager Albany passed away. Fiona then began to prod prime into making a new record with the main reason being she does this this morning very bluntly that oboe in needed some new product to sell. Pride had continued to play shows but had sold into a fairly light back lifestyle. He said he would generally sleep late everyday go to lunch at his favorite greasy meat and three restaurant washes car shoot poll, and then look at cars online. Well, into the night he had an affinity for old cadillacs and he owned several, but it didn't pay much money for any of them. He didn't realize how long it had been at that point said since he'd released an album of new material they told her just two years ago. It had actually been thirteen years since he had done an album of new material. So Fiona book a room at a hotel in Nashville knowing that he likely wouldn't get any work done around the house where he said he tried to look busy for a living. and the result was two, thousand, eighteen, the tree of forgiveness. As per usual received, critical, praise the album along with two singles from it were nominated for Grammy Awards that they didn't win them because you know people have actually grammy's or morons. This. Up debuted number that the tree of forgiveness debuted at number five on the billboard album chart, the highest chart position John Prime ever achieved. Wow. Prime in those around him starting to notice a couple of things about his concerts one, the crowds were starting to get bigger. And that they were starting to get considerably younger. Now, that could be owed to longtime fans passing down their love of to their children. or it could be that a number of younger artists who who are very popular were extremely vocal in their praise of him including star Simpson Brandi Carlile Jason is bill mark Margaret Price, and power tillers. Todd Snider and Casey Must Graves. He was extremely complimentary of that group to he lost all his artists and they loved back but they would talk him up and interviews and on stage about. You know, why did you write such and such a well, you know because I listened to John Franck? Out. And I think that did start to make a difference especially as a lot of people I just mentioned probably Casey must graves and schedule, Simpson especially because they were so popular that really think that started to make a real difference but so this is I don't even want to say that his career had a revival because prime never really went away but. Commercially, and in terms of popularity like riding an all time high. His crowds had never been bigger. He had a lot of younger people showing up and he had just put out an album that hit the highest. Spot on billboard, any of his albums had ever hit in his fifty years of recording music. The last person that I mentioned on that list was Casey scribes now. Who I'm I'm a huge fan of personally and John Ron Absolutely. Love. She actually wrote a song and you you guys may have heard it called burn one with John Prime. Prime. Prin recounted on CBS this morning that must graves and one of her friends actually managed to meet him at a club and tried to convince him to share a joint with them at Arcot. It was a little bucket list autumn for Casey must rights to smoke a joint Which I aim high casey good for you. I mean. Very specific it's big. Yeah. But that's what you're. That's what your bucket list isn't bound man yeah? I'm a modest with Willie Nelson whatever so Y- he politely declined. Partly, because at this point he quit doing drugs, he never really much of a pothead anyway said that he had a show to play that evening. Now I'm GonNa that that is per, Crohn's retelling i. read a story that recounted that the two of them were playing together on a cruise ship of some time when she was an up and comer that nobody had heard of, and maybe it was like the day. Like you know they had Isaac, mix them a drink and. Go from like what does that strange smell when I say that there's three sides to every story there's Your side there's their side and then there's the truth right? But. Whatever actually happened prime actually listen to the song burn with John Bryan a few weeks later and was absolutely floored a said not long after that she quote became Casey Must Rides. He remained an enthusiastic fans of hers until the end of his life. Snyder's Snyder's first record L. and I know that you guys caught a little bit about Todd Snider. On the based on a true story episode a few weeks ago because he did the song David Cooper. Hit his first record deal was actually with Oh boy records and hate he referred to promise quote our Hank Williams. And you listen if you listen to some of prime songs. You can so here the influence on Todd Snider and Casey Most Graves and Stargell Simpson and a lot of people that I just mentioned. It is. It is. It is. It's. It's clear as day if you've listened to much Ron, how much he met to those people and how much influenced him well, okay. Can I can I? Can I go off on a tangent for like two seconds is That I think with like Todd Snider and With John. You're you're missing one major element of what makes them who they are. Most singer-songwriter will just pour out an emotion. And saying you know I love you. This is yet but none of them are telling pieces story. Whereas John Pyne. Tells the story. I joy is a storytelling. He's a singer songwriter this telling a story it's not just. Explaining emotions are explaining like one single situation like unwed fathers. Is telling a story. Is telling a story up paradise is telling a story like these. An So, day because. Yeah, that's. That's that's what I'm saying like enjoy hearkens way back to like. El. Paso. Down West Texas, you have a story. And I think that's what sets them apart from a lot of singers now and None of them. None of them seek none of them set out to write pretty little OP psalms. Yeah they're just. They're just totally different people. Stars like that Prins like that Casey most bribes is like that still Simpson's like that. But but those three in particular to me really carry that mantle that that prime did. The Super Literate Songwriter who tells the story? Exactly like you're talking about I I completely agree with. That shot of a singular moment in time. Where like yeah. I had never heard todd cider till I listen to DVD Cooper because I haven't obsession with the Cooper and. It it. It lays out that story and it's it's I'm not disparaging three minute pop songs that just talk about him I like I like some of them very much. But but but if you listen to Snyder today because if you listen to him saying thin wild mercury if you hear him saying America's favorite pastime. He probably doesn't write those songs if he didn't grow up listening to John. Because those are those are a hundred percent exactly what you're talking about their songs either about obscure characters in history or they are. But but all of them are story songs and most people just don't don't have that yield because they're not. They're not singing do eighty. D Don't did he do? Not You will not besmirch the good name of Manfred. Mann's Earth Band refunded my presence. You hear me we'll fight. Anyway perfect ONA pride did have a couple of ECCENTRICITIES as most artists Dude I think you'll enjoy the day. He never travelled without a bottle of Heinz Ketchup and a tube of Coleman Spicy. Mustard. Okay I I refused to travel without a jar of mayonnaise. Obviously, our at our I'm not going to we don't have Dukes, but we had the southern California version of that, which is best. All right as long as as long as it's not that that spreads stuff. Of At one time the heater in prins aquarium broke while he was on the road and he returned to find his pet goldfish dead. Distraught. He took the body of his favorite fish, a pound and a half goldfish and put it in his freezer and just left it there for several months. Eventually had it mounted by a taxidermist and he hung it near his pool. A place considered a prominent location. Was it relied ads in my dad do it I don't I don't think so but who Fiona said that Tron had many childlike qualities he loved Christmas and while he was single, he actually kept a Christmas tree up in his home year round. He often had birthday cake and ice cream served after every one of his concerts raising that quote it was always someone's birthday. He drove himself to concerts and issued expensive catering for quote, a twelve dollar Deli tray and a few six bucks. I can back this decision I know. We were actually going to talk about We're still doing the opening acts which you know we don't. We don't know what's happening with the opening accent will figure that out eventually. But we'RE GONNA talk about writers like the the contracts that the. Musicians have with. The grain eminem EMINEM stuff, right. Yeah and a that see that's that would have been on the list is like 'cause. Some of these people have insane writers. Like all right, we're you gonNA find forty, eight white folks you wear A. True Story. A friend of mine went to in any body listened south. Carolina will know WanNa come there's a a A. specically, the Walmart of beer in South Carolina it's called Greens. We. Grains discount beverages to a friend of mine stopped in one time. It was like you know because they always have a good supply of shiner products. and. A Lotta Times, they'll have their seasonal brews and some other stuff. So buddy might stopped in to just check out what had and they had literally no China products. And he said Hey You know I'm just wondering I was checking you y'all could divorce shiner. You guys always have a lot of shiner and Got Whittingham it. Have you ever heard of a singer named Robert Earl keen? An my buddy said Oh. Yeah. Love Robert O'Kane. They said okay. Well, he's planning at the Newberry Opera House tonight, which is right up the right from Columbia from those you don't know he said and they sent a got on here in like bodice Outta shot her because I guess he drinks a lot of it. Say. Drinks now she's in. All of it that they had at grains that night. Rate. Okay here's another thing. Prime was a huge fan of archie comics. He started subscribing to art to archie comics when he was in his thirties. He said, he said quote I. Liked they put your Angel Mary said Rolling Stone it was quote to Johnny Prime. Age Forty three. I like jug head mainly and had this persona that he was shifting lazy. But he always kind of knew what was going on. Print. did express a belief in God and he considered himself a Christian. The he said he did not like saying other Christians use the bobble. As a political weapon predict particularly against gays transsexuals and His feeling was that, hey, you know the Bible is a book of love and Acceptance Pace intolerance. So why would you weaponize it against anybody? said that just Yet you had me with the good songwriting and eccentricities you wanted with that because that's exactly right. That is exactly right. in January of this year Prin received a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award. Sadly it would stand as the last award, it would be able to excel. Up Fiona has actually tested positive for a strain of coronavirus in March and spent some time quarantined away from prime. On. March Twenty Sixth Ron was hospitalized after experiencing covid nineteen symptoms. A march thirtieth. tweeted that she had recovered, but the prime was in stable condition but unfortunately was not improving Roger Waters was among the main express support saying quote are John Grant our friend Brown is in real trump. This friend of ours is full of love and always has been his whole life. Love has always been a powerful drug with love you with a genuine passion I can't even begin to describe. On April sixth with was the wedding anniversary for John, and Fiona. Prime. Fiona was called by doctor and told you needed to rush to hospital. She said in a subsequent BBC interview that she felt like throwing up but that she was by his side for the last seventeen hours, he spent on earth. Quote he was in deep sedation and hooked up to all kinds of machines I talked to him, I held his unresponsive hand a sang and played messages from our boys and from his brothers I played hours demand who was a friend and collaborator in a great singer Singing Gospel songs that she sent me that night just for him. I told him things out forgotten to tell him things I'd never told him. I told him. He was beloved by the world that he had done wondrous things with his life and in the end I told him that my heart would break forever. But he could go on ahead and be with his mom and dad and his brother Doug and all those aunties that love Dale. I told him I would be okay and I would hold our three boys clothes and that we would always talk about grandpa all the time with the little ones. On April Seventh John Ron died of covid nineteen complications at the age of seventy three. In accordance with his wishes as expressed in this home paradise we heard earlier half of his ashes were scattered in Kentucky's Green. River and half were buried next to his parents in Chicago. Friends and fellow musicians honored the legend and perhaps the most visceral reaction came from shooter Jennings. Now for those who aren't familiar like his parents waylon Jennings and Jessi colter jennings a musician. And a lot like his light father shooter is not much of one for holding Tom. So Right in the wake of John Prin dying. Shooter tweeted quite there better. Be a rain out. Can I stop for a second and issue a warning? If you have if you have young ones listening. Cut US down for like thirty seconds because we're GONNA be into some not nice territory for for just a minute. Second skip. Skip about forty five seconds because TJ talks. Okay. Here we go. There better, be a rain of Redneck Hell GonNa pour down on the bastards that made this virus that took John Prom from us. I'm fucking pissed and very saddened by the loss of an American icon Jennings tweeted. He took that down because he said, it was written in anger and the replies. Allies ing and political, which was not his intention. Really, somebody's tweet became political shock. On Hey said primes hurt him, and that his words quote changed my perspective and call my emotions. A. Quote. My Dad used to crank I ain't hurting nobody in his car. I remember the first time he heard it. We were in the car lightning one hundred. Nashville we went to the mall and bought the type immediately he didn't let go for months that song always made think of my dad I had the opportunity to tell Mr Pronk this the first. Time I met him. He was just the best again in my hurt I lashed out looking to blame this pandemic. But I know that we all have a time and place to move on into the great beyond, and this was his at least we are all at hun we can use this time to celebrate Mr Prime and thank him or page on prime. Okay now am I'm only person that is amused by the idea of Waylon, jennings wandering around a mall like. Bob into the Food Portland, the food court walks up to like a spyros. Hey, how's worst tire records at your Orange Julius? Julius thing. I'll I tell you as long time since I've been to a mall. Did you know they got one whole store sells nothing but ladies Pani draws? Victorian got many secrets left off. White in a mall. I liked that Casey Moss grave didn't really say anything about John's dance except for on April seventh she simply. tweeted one word which was heartbroken. Yeah and we'll get to her just a second Stephen Colbert held. What amounted to an owner wake for prime that teacher Dave Matthews Brandi Carlile Bruce Springsteen tweeted that he was crushed saying John and our new Dylan's together in the early seventies and he was never anything. But the loveliest guy in the world, a true national treasurer and songwriter for the ages we send our love and prayers to his family. Bette, Midler was so distraught over the death of her friends. She couldn't muster much more than a tweet that contain prance picture in the words he's gone. Seth Meyers said quote no one wrote songs about humankind with more grace and wit to quote him. He was in heaven before he died must honored him with a number of honored him a number of times a clothing west. Burning one with Bernie one with you or not. You fulfill my bucket list a million times over. But I'M NOT GONNA lie I'm still holding out she said, she saint her dad craft wise in her life. Once when my mom died and once when I got to send with John Prime. Now. Picture show was an online tribute concert because we have to do everything virtually Nile. Bars. featuring a number of people that I've already mentioned. scribes. Jackson is Bell shires Carlisle along with Vince Gill Bonnie Rait Kevin Bacon curious edgewood Billy Bob Thornton and Bill Murray. Murray said at one point he was in quote Hawk although not an actual depression that was robbing him of all his enjoyment. And this is like the most name dropping story I possibly. But his friend, Gonzo journalist and author. Hunter. S. Thompson. told him that he should listen to John Prime. Music. And that did the trick. The special feature never before a Saint Pablo footage some never before saying Kabul footage of prime discussing his signature cocktail a handsome johnny. Nikola. It is comprised of the exact recipe is you feel the cocktail glasses ginger ale. Then pour in some are with Abbado at Ginger Ale. Then drop in a wedge of La more lemon from exactly six inches above the glass, but don't squeeze it. That's. It I don't see that as many of your business. Is your sister, and this is a business endeavors Sir a new song was. During that special called I remember everything. among the most poignant tributes though was one from Elvis Costello. He said that he discovered prime when he happened onto a forty five in Liverpool Record Ben that contained Sam Stone on one side. And Paradise on the other. He wondering what kind of art that prawn might have created of the pandemic that claimed his life he said listeners might want to hear songwriters quote loudly sound the alarm or quite lampoon huxterism. But said Prom would have written about quote and exhausted nurse quarantined in her own addict away from her frightened children or an Ode to the fruit picker who puts the strawberry on our Sunday tar or the delivery driver or Shell Filler can make sure there's food to purchase for someone to put on the family's table because they same like scenarios or portrait's that might be found in his catalogue. Running songs like that would, of course, require someone with a lot of empathy and probably it would have required John Pratt. That's all. That was really good attain. Thank you. That was good. Are you going to be joining us next week when we talk about Joe E. absolutely a country music disc jockey and I'm looking forward to talking about Mr. Defy. Excellent. So just to wrap up guys again, t thank you so much for stepping in Hank you and I and I know you mentioned this every week but it kind of goes without saying if we're talking about somebody like John Prime who had a sixty year music career and is revered as one of the greatest songwriters ever. Anything, we could talk we could do a ten hour podcast and we're just scratching the surface. A hundred percent please go listen to music please read the stories please go find interviews about him and performances because there's only so much. We can do in any podcast and there's a million things we left out, but we just kind of want to give you a little thumbnail and hopefully you found. Senator you interesting and you WanNa go either rediscovers work if you haven't listened to him in a while or find it for the first time if you. Yeah he sounds. He sounds. Personally like. A Guy, you could sit down and have a good conversation with a stay up until like two or three in the morning just talking to you. I'm GONNA tell you a couple of great sources for the story one in it is on Youtube. It's a interview I. Thank Scott Pelley did for CBS this morning. When they feature people like that, you know they'll you'll save five or ten minutes of the interview. Will they there's actually an hour and a half interview that you can find on youtube and that's fantastic. There's one of Peter Cooper who have mentioned a couple of times interviewing he and Bill Murray that you found on Youtube which is great and then there was an about an hour and a house sit down pick saying talk with he and Sturges Simpson which was a which was related in some way to the grammys but all those are are just fantastic and I give. You such a great picture of who he would he so humble and such a funny guy and so all shucks yeah wrote a little song in it's. 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And the Streaming Race Continues

This Week in Apps

07:58 min | 8 months ago

And the Streaming Race Continues

"Happy friday and welcome to a new episode of this week and apps a weekly no fluff data first round up of interesting news and trends about mobile apps games. I'm ariel figures. And i five highlights for you this week. We'll begin with a monthly tradition earlier. This week released or monthly report of the most downloaded apps in february tiktok unsurprisingly topped the app store scoring nearly twice a downloads of runner-up youtube with eighteen point three million downloads versus eleven. Point five on google play. It was telegram that took the crown with thirty nine point. Seven million downloads with tiktok. Right behind it across stores ever take that continues to show. Its dominance with fifty two and a half million downloads. Four february the five most downloaded apps worldwide and across doors came from tiktok number one telegram number two in facebook which took third with what's app fourth with facebook in fifth with instagram. Well these are pretty similar at january's list why has managed to crack the top down again. Is it recovers from pretty bad year and google maps downloads. Got hit very hard like other absent. The travel category when the lockdowns begin in while partial recovery happened within a few months. It's only now a year in that we're starting to see the numbers returned to where they weren't twenty nineteen now. Let's see how long it will take to see real growth based on our app intelligence. The top ten most downloaded apps were downloaded more than three hundred thirty one million times in february speaking of reaching the top this week fontaine is an app for making your own custom fonts. That's right. so it's donald skyrocket with built it into the top chart for few days looking at our estimates we can see downloads rose sharply from an average of just about thirty thirty thirty k thirty downloads day. Two hundred and fifty seven thousand. Tuesday i do some sort of a percentage or multiplier to describe this growth but it would require too. Many zeroes font is kept up with downloads on wednesday scoring another one hundred fifty six thousand new downloads. Quite a bit. It disappeared from the top charts or disappeared from the top ten cents. But that's quite a bit of downloads and showing that interest in customization is small. We saw how much people want to make their home screen their own when widgets came out last year in while that trend. Also slow down there still a bevy of apps that are getting a number of downloads. Now if you like these numbers that i'm talking about they're all coming from our intelligence which is affordable and accessible to everyone check it out at dot com slash intelligence next up is one of my favorite streaming up after a long wait. Cbs pulled an hbo move and rebranded it s alexa access streaming up into paramount. Plus we've been waiting for this for quite a while. They announced move at the end of last year. And i wanted to see what that would look like in downloads. That happened a few weeks ago. So we can all take a look at the data apparent plus joining the race. That is pretty crowded but it has a secret weapon live sports they also have a lot of original content and that gives it an edge over some of its competitors since the rebrand downloads have been in an all time high rising sharply from a weekend average between saturday and sunday of about fifty thousand to three hundred thousand dollars last weekend according to our estimates. Now this isn't exactly demand so we don't know that people want that much paramount plus because it's heavily pushed by promotion and cbs's bang for a lot of ads but if it catches on paramount plus could become a strong competitor and edge out services like peacock which lost most of the momentum in had from bringing back the office back in january. The bottom line here though is that donald aside streaming is becoming a hot mess. It's turning into the grid on bundling of cable but at a higher cost us and kind of a bigger headache because we have to manage all these different apps amazon try to bundle content from different providers a few years ago into john prime video. But i don't know if i'd call big success because people know that that's happened. Seeing how things are going now hover whoever they might try this again if the streamers will allow them. I'm looking forward to seeing what would happen now when. Cbs turned its app into paramount. Plus they took a big risk. The risk is that people who are still looking for. Cbs content would get lost and not know that parallel plus is cbs. The icon is different than name is different. And so what they did unlike. Hbo is they created a new app. Co cbs just cbs. And put it on the app store. And i think that's actually really good. Move this way they get to keep the audience from cbs. Plus an up sell them to this new app that they have paramount plus which is going to be the flagship of streaming for them but at the same time with a new. Cbs app. they can keep the people who are looking for. Cbs app content by name also. It's much easier for apps optimization if you think about it that way to rank four. Cbs when the apps name is cbs. So i think this is a really great move on. Cbs as part their launch week was quite nice. They added seven hundred and fifty two thousand downloads. Which means that. If they hadn't done that they probably have lost most of those two confused about whereas my cbs content. And i think in general. This is not something that we've seen before and the latest rebrand from. Hbo hbo max into or hbo now. Hbo max really kept the hbo brand so they didn't need to worry about this for cbs. I think this was the wise way to continue now. Last for this week is kind iffy one. If you have looked at the top apps on google play in the us recently you may have come across and app by the name of be network with a bright yellow on. it's fairly new app that created its own cryptocurrency called b. b. e. Now what you want be currency. It's not traded anywhere. In as far as i can tell there's not much he can do to turn it into real currency and the answer is i have no idea. I have no idea but millions of people seem to be into this app. Since launching december of last year or estimate show it was downloaded more than five point. Eight nearly six million times across the app store. Google play the interesting thing three point. One million of those about a half happened in the last thirty days now. I found something interesting when i was looking at this. And that is that while on google play. It's listed in the finance category on the app store. It's listened in the games category. I can read too much into it or can't but the reason i find all of this interesting and the reason why i mentioned that this week is that apps that kind of gives you something for nothing or in this case nothing. Nothing usually take something and in our day and age that something is either usage or location information or something that they can sell on. I'm not sure that this is what the app does. I can't guarantee that at all. But that's kind of what i suspect. Basing basin goes on everything that i've seen over the last few years and the need for this sort of data. I also read the reviews on the reviews did not lead you to believe this is inaccurate Double negative here. So it's possible that apple google. We'll take action and do something with this. It's possible just gonna fall out of fashion all on its own but it's something i'm going to keep an eye on and that's it for this week. If you enjoy the podcast least consider subscribing telling your friends about it. 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#47 Checking in June 2021

Chris and Rick Talk Guitars

32:18 min | 4 months ago

#47 Checking in June 2021

"Everybody it's chris rock guitars. This is ketchup. Time chris and i had been Kind of incommunicado for a while. Both been busy. Chris what he'd been up to bud. I'm busy like you said. I just looked to see what the last episode we did was. It was straight into the camp. I barely remember that one so since that time house projects there's been more of those started a new job so i've been doing four hundred seventy two hours a week just while you started so i haven't really got time. How are you would. What's been keeping you from Things oh yeah. We're i've been getting into woodworking projects as well Which has its taking up. Time and Yeah just the summer yards stuff planning gardens and mowing lawns. And things like that but Yeah i've i've managed to sneak in some guitar here and there how about you. I think you just recently got a new guitar didn't you. Yeah when i was the only one that we gush about that thing a little more about guitar right. I'll see if especially about my guitar. Huddle even start a new guitar. You've got to tell the game. I got into guitar. Because during the pandemic i kind of moved up made a lateral move in my career that i actually landed really cool job so when i when interviewing for jobs i was joking with my wife that if i get one of these jobs. I'm getting a birth year guitar. I got one of the first ones. I interviewed floor. I couldn't find a birth year guitar in my. I did have a budget that i sat 'em birth year which would be nineteen sixty one. Don't tell anybody really also could get that. Like of my interest is like a melody maker and there's nothing wrong with that. There have a junior. So i started looking at three thirty five. Which is another one of my guitars. Spend might lifts forever just seemed unattainable and from there. It took me. I learned a lot about three thirty five guitar. Which i realized even though i played a number of them. I didn't really know that much about that. So now i know more than anybody really should ever know about. Three and i'm Es three forty five which is a cousin of the three thirty five. And i got that because it's basically a three thirty five with some extra blaner similar gadget but it is a three thirty five at its heart. It is three thirty five. And that's why i wanted. It's an excellent guitar. And what what is it specifically as a. It's a sixty one reissue or a or What is what's the deal. It's a memphis historic sixty four b. o. s. three forty five and the good job with it i really wanted to. I really wanted to find an old one. Even that played some from the seventies that have been really nice. And i played like three from the late sixties and early seventies didn't really do anything for me as soon as i picked this up. I could tell that. I'm like i could deal with guitar in so far i've had in a month than it's it's everything that it looks killer but it is killer amazon one thing wrong with the amendment. Try it believe me so i wanna see that thing. I want to play it man. I need to play it. Needs to be played out as the thing about. It is two thousand fourteen fire. It's kind of like the lately aged. Look to it because of that shit that they do whatever that is whoever had it before me hardly played it all. There's zero like you can't even tell that a string of hit of fred like the edges sharp where i always liked to take them down the factory so it just. It's got a thin finish on. It is gonna get Now so it should wearing really fast. And i think it will look great of you. Played it through all pretty much all your amps. Does it sound great through every an outright you like. I said i haven't had much time at all. Took to it too much. But i have heard it through my princeton sixty four princeton sixty one champion. It sounds fantastic through both of those. I'm doing. I'm getting ready for john. Prime tribute show on the twenty six th of this month i think so. We started so. I brought the priest in the first rehearsal Champ and that sounds really good. That's perfect for this lineup. And i might use that y two but let me show. It's a place called drunk. He two shoes in white center. Be heard of it. No that's cool. It's a little dive outdoors at. We go outdoors very cool man so you list. So is this so so this new guitar is it. Do you think it's going to take the place of of the the junior. Pretty much for awhile. In terms of being your number one or i think so i mean junior does what it does really well and it's great. I couldn't see not having one but this kind of guitar right now that i got I kinda wanna bond with to be the one and only definitely wanna break it in in. I wanna see what can do. And i think you know. The risk brokers have been to p. ninety band guitar band for a long time and that's great and we found a way to make them work together because we have different tone things going on but it might be nice to bring in. you know semi hollow. Humbug yourself to this to the mix. That's cool so far. It does the rupee. Twangy stuff really. Well i'm really pleased with the way that stars. I'm not really missing the telecaster. Like i think i would be to do like these country bends and things like that. It does really well. That's very cool. We should do an episode sunday on street. Thirty five like i said i. I know a stupid amount or should about them. If i don't do it here. I'm for lawyers life with. I think we should yeah. Let's do that. But i'm curious. Have you messed around with a little switch on the little eichel bit. Switches that switzerland. It's called the very atonement as a source of much controversy contempt and all kinds of other shit. Because it's kind of it's it's of its era back when they were trying to use electronic to do anything different to give different sounds so it's kinda cool if you take it on. Its own terms of your like a recording situation because the problem is is the further you go down the dial Dial which is a series of capacitors or resistors networks or something like that in uses some sort of a filter almost like a wa pedal where it kinda shifts out frequencies morning the quieter gets because it's shifting you're listening shit tone these frequencies from these wherever this range is so you can expect it to keep its level. There's nothing there's nothing for any makeup game so it's not very usable in contact played. Guitar hit sounds great. And you turn the same. And there's like a cool kind of timber to open. It's too quiet so people who do make it work like bb king is one. I mean that nasal sound he gets. That's the various very lot allow people will use like some something for makeup up gain like a compressor boost pedal. I played with it but not too much. And it's kind of cool. I mean it's definitely remind you of the seventies just been you know. Can you think you'd find a use for any of the sound zor. I can find us for just about anything depending given the right that you should get a recording situation Everything in stuff doesn't word what's cool about. It is academically seasick. Nasal e settings like really punching through the midst. If you just put it up the volume up volume probably pretty cool but again i mean you can also go telecaster recording so back then i guess very Gets cars evolution. It was always like looking for the swiss army knife. The most you know the most sounds from qatar when they went to. You know all kinds of gadgets that they played with a taurus Election it so at the end guitar players are pretty conservative. So soon as he starts strain and gibson's you know this this bunch you start straying from just about this guitar plug in sounding like you know they i mean. They kept repeatedly trying to get like active. Pickups or low will be biden's pickups and all kinds of shit like that electron ix. What were those. What were those guitars. The jeez i can't remember is kinda like blah they were kinda like blobs like blobby. explorer oriented rb artists owns already. Either artist had the active electronic lows and they put him in. There was three thirty five. That had the currency. We're just trying to make people like them and they didn't know just guitar that you plug in. We'll take care of everything when it comes out of the guitar wanna will handle that exude but that said the baritone. I think is pretty cool. Just i mean it looks. Great on guitar is such a piece of its era and it functions. I mean you can take around with you want. So that's very cool. Well did the scratch. The itch of the berthier guitar pretty Definitely did yeah you know it. I mean it's really for me to get a really really cool guitar like this for my birthday. It's just never going to happen. It's like i want to be able to take this guitar junkie shoes and not worry about it. Yeah gonna worry about it because at worry about any guitar ahead with me. But it's not like i'm gonna lose a twenty thousand dollar guitar or something like that. So yeah i mean it has to be playable. I don't want any guitars than playable by playable. They need to giggle. And you know any to be able to record with them. Take him out of the house. Anything i can't do that with. I really have no interest in. Yeah that's cool. is this one feels. It looks like real vintage guitar. But it's yeah you're not gonna be freaking out acting like it's so precious like a fucking thousand guitar. I thirty thousand. That's cool man. Yeah what have you been playing lately. Even plants in qatar. What kind of instrument are you bonding with hanging out bonding with my les paul. Classic man the honey burst. it's started. it's got that sinn neck. Yeah i've really reacquainting myself with tara. It's so funny. Because i hadn't played in a long time it's been at gyms you know has been at the house then. I kind of picked it up when i was out there for practice. One night and dan. That thing is cool. I dig it. It's heavy but it's you know you you. I don't mind it The neck is relief. Thin profile super cool. Yeah i use that for rehearsal once when it was down at a space. Did you dig it out for riffa entire. That was great. I was like i really wanted it. I had hard time putting it back. Almost just took it selects Do you need a chiropractor after after planet. I don't have a problem with heavy guitars. I don't remember that being heavy is probably what nine pounds or something right on your cars. I i have eleven powerless fall and my rehearsal space guitar for years at sat down the rehearsal space and i went there and rehearse other than the black one where you rehearsals are where you have a guitar on for two hours a lot of times. It's like forty five minutes. You know maybe an hour on show when rehearsals is not hard to do two and a half three hours with the guitar on your shoulder. I've never had a problem. I mean i have. I don't think it. Which is something i don't think about. I do love the old guitar. Is that heavy. Because i love. I've said this before. I just love to take atari. Hand it to somebody. We'll get to the look on their face like holy sh- folded in honestly. I don't think about. I think it's i mean i know there's a lot of people that will not by advocates are and i commend that. That's cool but i don't. It's not something i think about. I don't want it twelve petar. i wouldn't look for one. I would seriously consider it. But i think twice about eleven pounds beyond that weight that they can't go past some people don't want to get past seven to Gibson melody maker yeah. I'm the same way i don't. I don't mind too much if the guitars heavy if it's if it feels good and it sounds good. And what. is that your heaviest guitar. I think so. Actually i think it's even heavier than the explorer. That i have is a big hunk of mahogany but adds a cool guitar to man. I've been in that as well. I mean in that. I've been going down the rabbit hole man. I've been getting into los lobos lately. Like crazy like a reacquainting myself with their ship and the guitar stuff. They're doing shit guitars their plan and shit those who were strat Which all kinds of different shit like. I think the rhythm did plays a les paul allott but it i'll go plays like tallies in strat s- for for most part some. You'll like japanese reissue stratocaster. Yeah that he put together some cool. Yeah doing that Reacquainting myself with yes. Which is cool. I totally appreciate that man. But i just never i i have friends. Who like their their rush. And they don't get rush does but i will say on of similar songs are just undeniable like in the context of like film or something when they play as a backdrop. I'd like i love them. But i bought that record knows collecting records intra Even after all these years wanted fragile or tails of of graphic oceans and I couldn't make it through. Glad i just. They're just they're like somebody else that you know for me like nick cave or something exactly but i just don't connect with for some reason. Whatever gap interrupted you when you had to forget what it was gonna stay man. Oh we'll just steve how man that that dude. Yeah i just love listening to play man. He's he's so out there but it was great. So that's so. I've been kind of doing that. You know just kind of like plan a little guitar. Here and there in the numb listening to Reacquainting myself with guitar player is an engine music. In general that. I haven't listened to a long time on television. I was listening to the marquee moon album again. God that's good a pretty good record. It's damn good of even listening to new music or reacquaint as my biggest downfall. That's why i don't haven't written song in like three years younger. I don't make timeless records. And i got to get over it because my thing is i can't just record on like were clean a house. I wanted sit there. And listen to it and i haven't had that current time lately but i think if i need to surround myself with music for even if i do say all right. I'm not gonna sit here and listen to this Do whatever because if you're going to write or or just even be creative thinking of like musical ideas if you not listen to music. You're just like nowhere so you're doing this commendable in. I should be doing more of that. But have you found that if he found that listening to a bunch of this stuff in your approach guitar again s. That's what i'm looking for that. So cool yes. Exactly because you get stoked listening to steve how rip through some similar tunes and yeah and then i go grandma guitar. Sit on the couch while in space out and play some shit anna stuff in eight sixteen time and shit so or whatever yeah slide will rock. Yeah we'll let you need to do that i. I'm the same way. If i put a record on i i get distracted. I listen to music rabbit. Yeah i just get sucked into it. But i forced myself to do it just because i do. I wanna listen to. I wanna keep that like you're saying i kind of want to keep that channel alive. You know. yeah it's important in like. I said that's why i've been like kind of stagnant in creative writing while but the actually a new guitar can give you. I've got a couple of things that i came up with guitar. Wise like an melodies shit but as far as like just feeling that zone where like write song. It's gonna to is gonna come to me. I'm gonna get an idea taken through the course because they'll be inspired that comes from listen to to shed. Is that kind of how you right do. Did you ever go through periods where you tried to get disciplined about writing or do you just kind of are you of the school that becomes to me all right down. And then i'll i'll address it now. You gotta be. I think you've got to be in the zone. I mean you just mean you start thinking there's things out there that when you putting stuff together that stuff just happens and if you're in that mode where you kind of listening in interacting with music you know you're kind of in your head like even if you don't have music on in your head you're kind of going through phrases melody's in different things in ideas and also cook. Something will stick. You'll get inspired new going there and you get like even it's not a whole song get like maybe a course in verse but other times. Yeah i mean you'll hear something record will affect you in such a way that you have to The next thing you have to do is you have to spend time with your instrument. Maybe if you're not writing anything it's just like you're open to new shit because you've been listening to us right now on the worst as i go to my room a i've been kinda to because we've got some gigs coming up. Which is another thing. I want yeah where where is it. We've got we've got to east of the mountains coming up in july and then also which is super cool. Plan the tractor july sixteen. The that's going to be frequent little. If is going gonna be in town drag her to that show i will. I mean she's got a you to fan totally. I will see if i can make that happen. Ligne dedicates a couple songs tour. I think you can go and buildings again Isn't this thing. yeah we're done. We're over the hump man until mellon tillers variants get us or whatever other implicit really. No coming back from this. I think i've i've got ptsd from this now. Now that i'm starting to venture out a little bit goes a long way out. You know it's like i haven't seen people it's great talk talk talking on all right. I need to go Amsterdam used to wear a mask like i have met. I have so many masks in my car in the house everywhere. Like i'll still wear a mask all the time which most places required anyway. Still if you're gonna go into ace's but yeah it's kinda crazy. I hear you too man like we ventured out lake Now anon it's overwhelming like being around other people. You're tired really fast. You gotta go home. Take a nap. Well i mean the that standard for me anyway. But but yeah. It's i mean. I think many people didn't good during this. I mean i would like to maybe created more but musically. But now what are you gonna do. You should reflect on what you did over your covid vacation episode. We can reflect. Do we did london. We did we do a little unbeaten there. So do you have. You've got the john prime thing coming up. Do you have other gigs. Coming up with rip brokers. That seem like there was some mention of something that i don't know probably i think the general feel is that things are starting to open up again so i think a lot of the clubs are calling around and getting bills put together. I'm sure we'll have some stuff coming in it's awesome. Are you stoked about it or you still kind of. It'd be interesting to see how i do. Actually out in the club but I'm excited for that. Delete is outdoors. It's like a an open bar area. That will be cool. It's close to my house. I could just you know. Go out the back door renounced. Look happy training. Come right home. Nice sorry no. I am excited. So what's so you said east of the mountain so where spokane or what. Noche lan land okay. Whiter is man sweets winus east of the mountains. Bring your fly ride. I know right. Well it's going to be cool because the first one My aunt and my cousins are coming out. Which i never see so. It'll be kind of cool to connect with them. And then kelly gonna bring my mom's ashes and we're going to dump my mom in case. Yeah so that's possible at what she wants. She wants to be land. So we're gonna. We rented this boat. Pontoon boat will go out there and then you know it'll probably be where you'd toss her out and it'll all come back but yeah it'll be cool man. I'm psyched about. I'm signed to play man. I and kind of i've been psyched. I keep telling myself this. But i i'm trying to write more so i'm going to try to write and record. Jim and i have been trying to put together. A studio hotness place you know and it's as as we slackers do it's taking forever but slowly but surely maybe will eventually record sounds out there. That'd be great yet. A draw you do have a drawing is is. We have a german that ban. But yeah i mean we might involve him or whoever you know. I'll play drums. But i don't play drums you should you should write more. I really wanted to i will. I'm just going to do it. I'm just going to quit wyan to start doing the be. Nice yeah i think the world's ready for another batch of kline songs therapy they'll come on now so let's see what else is new in the world of itar. Talk to me man. I wanna see that guitar on. Apply our our. I just saw tonight as a matter of fact. Some previews of that Peter action beatles moving on through. I wanna see that footage is really cool. Really gross said they're just babies by now man will the cool thing is like i saw an interview with him and he was saying what really struck him as you know a lot of the stuff that came out of those sessions was so negative because they you know they were on the down slide if their career but he says he found so much footage of like them joking around or having fun or so. I think that's cool because that's always been my perception of that of the beatles. It's like it was just so down and everybody just didn't want to be there. So i'm like to see that you gotta wait 'til thanksgiving just found out. Will he keeps adding. We keeps adding footage. Right i guess he's got like six hours of yes. Three two hours standings. I love your music thing because one of the things going back to my three thirty five three forty five. Because that's the most important thing here in the three forty five i learned is kind of like the zelic of guitars. Remember that what he'll yes. Everybody played one. What you've never heard of it kind of. I mean you've heard of it. I mean i know that much about the es series. I read thirty four. Three forty five was in three. But that guitar is short. George harrison for awhile played the same exact same color. Same one for like a very brief amount of time kind of obsessed with it. They're always like look at just twenty guests where we got that guitar in all this other shit. But it's just popping up everywhere it's like. I haven't noticed in my friend. Nick pointed this out to that when soups Become aware of something. You start to notice if All these people playing three forty five will that. You're right to because i i mean i was pretty ignorant about. I just thought all those semi hall bodies were three thirty. Five's i didn't know until i started to see. Oh that one's got like yours has the double we're Inlays and things like that. And it's got the switch and then i started to go. Oh that's different somehow near like chuck berry played three forty five at times freddie king. Yeah so yeah ads. Pretty funny the guy in yes see again. That guy love it. That's cool. yeah that's what's funny. Well it's funny since you been talking about this guitars that's all it's coming into my feeds now. Are three thirty five forty fives in. It's like okay. Is that my next guitar. I should judges not. I mean you can stay at about qatar. I could say that. About telecast junior. But it's definitely and i said this when i first got my les paul junior. I've been playing telecaster for years on guitars guitar as soon as i got the junior like right away. I'm like my plan is going to change. I could just tell that. I started playing a different way and this gives me the same vibe. When i'm on it you know just like this is kind of unique in just the way it responds. It's great unplugged guitar on because it sounds kind of like a mandolin or something. I think this is going to change the way that i play the neck like is gonna junkie or is it kinda like It's not it's not very chunky but it's not really skinny uber Unique about I really fell for is kinda rolled. They ruled the edges of the fret. Board so There's like fred edge binding But it's very tiny because it's rolled over Your hand is around really well. It feels like a played guitar or anything. Yeah so excuse me. You're excused so that's about it. Just wirtten are got the new gig so more guitar is probably sense enough. As long as his gig holds out. We're going to wait for a long while. I mean i. I don't need another guitar. I wanna get to know this one. Let's just say that you're gonna see her kind of saying you. You thought you might be at that point where you've got to get rid of some. Did i miss them away. When when you get to that point you just you just don't do anything If you got you got to pick a yes six months later if you still have that feeling then you start looking again and then you give it another six months after a year and a half. You're still thinking should get rid. Get rid of the just wasted a year and a half. I mean everything's going to go to the estate sale. Anyway so roy. At gets into a google sheep for tracy and i that says what lowest mark showed when she's using the label maker to get ready for the estate sales she can broke really alive. I'm gonna go that sale. See if i can work a deal. Then i'll probably be dead before the new way. No deals cool dude while it's good to catch up with you man and yeah. Let's we're going to get back into irregular canes once. Chris settles down in his new gig and And we've got some topics in the hopper that we want to talk about. Also i wanna do some shoutouts to some people next couple of episodes. Because i had we've chris. I've had some cool interactions with you listeners. Out there it's really touched us. It's so cool to know that you guys are out there listening But we'll do some shout outs man and then also i would. I think we're going to plug guitars in placing depar- we should do a rift Trade rifts like here. You told me that you really sick on that. You do all the time that you can't get rid of that. I do all the time that really sick of i want to get rid of 'em will trade him and kind of lane how to play them so other people can take these things if they want to two and we can get rid of them. I'm gonna get like an earworm like i can. I had this song in my head or I like that okay. We'll do that. We'll do that either next time or one of the next episodes okay. Awesome also like to add. It's i really want to get back into now that we can go out again and i would like to get back into live in the. Yeah but i wanna have. It's all torn apart and they have to put it back together. And i just haven't had time so do it zooming slick website. You put citing on the shed awesome. How long had it been without citing fifteen years. Not only years. I don't know it lasts a long time. I'd have to go up there every two years running another role of tar paper around it but it made it. I love it good looking now. Well thanks for listening is always Social media check us out on spotify. I tunes Any parting thoughts food for people. Out there chris. No just play guitar. Be safe and have fun. Awesome until next time. Everyone by

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#34 Lockdown Inspiration (remote Skype)

Chris and Rick Talk Guitars

19:14 min | 1 year ago

#34 Lockdown Inspiration (remote Skype)

"Everyone this is Kristin Rick Top. Tarzan's Chris over there morning and I'm rick. I hope you're doing well in lockdown. These are crazy times. Chris and I have been locked down in our respective homes. He he and West Seattle me in shoreline Washington if you're from another state or country it doesn't mean anything but That those are those are respected hoods. I wanted to talk about just all the cool music videos. I've been seeing that people in producing since they've been locked up in their homes and Chris and I have lots of musician friends and then Chris also sent me this really cool video of a guy named Tom. Buca back I think that's Buca or something but he's a session guy in Nashville and he's just a bad ass. Guitar Player and Chris sent me a video of that. He's doing this series for the corona buyer stuff in his garage and It was super inspiring for me because I you know I tend to listen to a lot of the stuff I like and I'm used to but Every time something comes in from left field to me it just really inspires me and kind of you know right away. I had to pick up my guitar and start doing things right because he talks about like different things like feel or phrasing or no choice. Which is really cool. And he's a session guy and you should check them out if you can't where we're going to post some videos on our website but what. What did you think Chris so that guy? Initially I thought he was great. I found the corona virus series where he was like a full slide guitar without a slow as pretty amazing. It sounds just like I haven't mastered it yet but it definitely made me like you said it made me reach for my guitar and the guy just seems really cool. He's got a great a great reference for for music. And you know I was pedal or there was a rig run out. I saw them just an all around good tasteful player. I heard them for that video. Yeah me too. But it's so strange because I'm sure we've heard him play on probably countless recordings we just. I just never knew about this guy before but yeah I went down the rabbit hole with rig rundown and he's got some killer guitars too so just from guitar porn perspectives. It's worth watching that rig rundown not only for his guitar playing but he's got some killer talk so that was one inspiration and then also apple friends of ours at put together videos of them playing songs and either acoustic or electric. And it's just been really cool and inspiring for me to to see this kind of a flood of of music videos. I saw a really cool one with Kevin Bacon and his wife. Doing John Prion Song to John. Cryan was in critical condition Battling the corona virus and that really made me feel it was it was so cool and so thoughtful and so Ernest you know. Vc Any besides the book back ones that kind of you know midfield good. Yeah check them out when they come down like like you said I. Have you know bunch of musician friends? And they'll posted watch all adults and it's great. It kind of keeps you in touch with your friends while you're in lockdown so I think it's really cool and I think anybody that wanted to. This is a good time to do it. I love the little short one. Similar will show a video of them just playing like a lick or something. You know some of my friends on that stupid cool. I mean. It's just something to keep us all together during this lockdown and. I think it's I think it's great. Yeah and that's that's what I've done to is just kind of the sense of community some at least people. I see them post stuff you know fairly frequently but some of these people. I haven't. I've never seen them post anything and for me. It was cool to just see them play and and saying unlike some of these people. I just didn't I didn't even know they saying but they've got great voices and they're good players and yeah it's just been really inspiring for me and then also just tangentially like L. I'll watch the video and then like The session guy. For instance like I'll just go down the rabbit hole and I've been watching interviews or different things and he was. He was one of videos. He was talking about Dean Parks. Which you and I both dig. He's a session guy from the seventies he played with Brad and all these other huge acts but he said he said he was having a conversation with him. You know poolside and and it just to session guys from different eras and it was really cool. It was really informative and and just kind of kind of dug it. Yeah I haven't gone down rabbit holes. Just let you to leave me where where will and I ended up watching a bunch of eighty metal guitar players. I I did that but it was so nice. Little tasty time capsule when that style of playing where everybody had to have a really hot solo with some tapping and it didn't take very long for it to run. Its course and made a go down a different rabbit hole but it was just interesting to see that like that time. Capsule of this is what guitar playing was for a while everybody had like appointee. Headstone Guitar. They had to have their moment in the middle of the song where they would shine and they would all play nearly identical things. Just different ways. There's my having part. Here's my really fast part. It's because I had forgotten about that. Almost totally that's hilarious. I do the same thing too. It's like yeah I mean for us. It was the eighties but for me it was like also going back into the classic rock stuff guitar wise to end this revisiting. That and just really appreciating like you know the skinner staff and and allman brothers and you know bands. Were there's multiple guitar players. But they're they're able to make it work right because they they know what they're doing and another thing I found super inspiring was the outpouring of love and affection for John Prying Most people are familiar with him. But I get I went down that rabbit hole I've just got a new appreciation. For what a great guitar player He is you know about you. That was great. It was really touch and go for a while. And sounds like he's on the mandate and I hope so but as you know I play in that John Prime tribute man like Ben. Inside a lot of his music and songs more than just listening. I've always liked him from a listening perspective but having gotten tight a bunch of those songs which are incredible not just lyrically but John. Prime is very inter- his are super interesting because when you listen to them they sound like you standard. There's three chords without to g that to see that's enough whatever and when you get inside of them. They're really complex. I mean he doesn't he kind of changes things on the fly. And there's little teeny weird things in there that It's kind of challenging. And that's why I love playing and band. That does his music. Because it's not just simple like odd just playing these chords in these. He's singing these really cool songs. It's like no you gotTa know what you're doing and you got to think on your feet because it's not the standard Chord progressions. Yeah well not only that too but like his. Picking style is really cool because I was watching a video. Where you know. He was playing guitar and then he had another guy playing guitar. And I thought the other guy was doing the picking because John was singing but it turned out John Bryan was actually doing the picking and it was this kind of hybrid between like a a male Carter Travis picking that was it was simple but really cool and I I just dug it. Yeah it's yeah you remember. What the song was you? Don't know I don't I'll find it. I'll I'll share it with you but it was super cool. And a yeah. It's one of those things where you know at first. You think okay. Yeah the other. Guy's playing the guitar part. And then then you realize no joe. Brian's plan this thing and he's I think he's got a two or three finger style. He's got the thumb fake and then his other fingers but it just sounded so cool it was deceptive and like you said. His stuff's deceptively simple. You know it'll draw you in and then you're like. Oh yeah that's just three chords and it's like Oh wait a minute. He's doing this cool. Hybrid Picking Style and singing at the same time. It was really cool. I just dug it or putting a cord where you would never expect it to be. I mean there was some he has got this song called Christmas in prison. And after each course. There's like a guitar melody car and when it gets the first time they get to that Melody Part. He liked drops a beat. Just it just starts on. You know there's a mist beat in there and for ever that drove me nuts and when I was learned. Song I finally got it. And that's how we play it in. It's great but I was watching videos and I saw some live videos of him playing that song with the band and they took it out. They took that they put the beat back where it should be and I just had this vision of like someone who's bang going damn it. Don't drop that beat or put it back where it was because it really threw me for a curve but I ended up getting it and a lot of things like that. It's just like Oh yeah. You're going along this corporation that you think this is where it goes but his cords who follow his voice alive times so he changes something up he changes the Korda and it took me a while to get some of those songs and and you want something you WanNa do right to you. Don't want to you know hack your way through that because it's John Crime and institution. Yeah exactly So you know. That's another side effect of this lockdown. As I've just been really in spe inspired by all these musicians coming out of the woodwork and posting stuff online and then. When it's somebody like John Bryan were I think knows music and then I get into it and it's like it's kind of discovering it all over again and and having appreciation for him as an artist not only as a singer. Songwriter. His songs are amazing but just as a guitar player like Damn. This guy is a really really good. Yeah it's a perfect time for deep dives on the stuff. I mentioned watching metal videos. I actually was watching Steve. Vai Talk about his guitar. Steve by not my thing but I love listening to people talk about their guitars. I don't know just something I've always had guitars to me are more than just things they have. Stories and hearing people's stories about guitars is just something I could do for hours. I've been doing the the rig rundowns too and yeah just like you said that the guitars are they're just so much more than these inanimate objects that we use musical instruments there especially for good are guitar players. You know. Yeah I love the stories. I love to crack open a case and just imagine where this thing's been who's played it. I've gone down those rabbit holes to Like I posted. I got this challenge on facebook. Cremona my friends you know he posted a song so I bust out the acoustic and did a little ditty posted. It made me feel good at it again. It it just really made me feel good about the community of people I know were. Musicians are not just kind of forming these communities online so that we can all kind of get through this crappy time right. Yeah and human video you post of you doing something with your guitar. Like two minutes out of someone's Day where they don't have to occupy they're doing something else so it's it just helps for everybody. I I might do something I might do. A little dorky video or something. Because it's like you said I've kind of been inspired to. I like watching these things. And it's like maybe I'll make one. I'll tell you think you should stones theme song or A. Yeah I think you should. I think I think I might bust out my stuff and do another wonder. Maybe I kinda thinking maybe just doing a little serious like that. Like I knew sent me a video of Just to just to kill time and just to keep my chops up and that's another thing too. It's it's made me WanNa pick up the guitar a lot more to. I mean you know I should. I should definitely do that. I've been playing. I've even have you found that you've been playing a lot more guitar during this lockdown. Oh Yeah Yup and just all of them I busted out the Lakers stake in the electrics and it it it it has not only because I have we have so much time on her hands but Just seeing all these videos really inspired to play and so she's saying Qatar players session guy. Just make me want to analyze my playing and push myself like we talked about before it's like we get into our patterns and stuff but seeing how people think about guitar and they're playing again just makes me think about my playing and and and getting out of my comfort zone which is super helpful. That's really cool because it's completely outside of the thing. We sometimes spent so much time on is like gear and you know kind of obsessing over gear just like I mean taking it back to the actual playing is always a good thing to do. I mean and that's what that's GonNa move you along a lot more than getting a new delay pebble or something so big Zach. This is where it's all about getting lemonade from eleven base. Yes we've been making lots of lemonade. so yeah and just everything from technique to string gauge all that stuff and the rabbit holes abound and now now's the time for people to really just go find inspiration and play more and expand your own playing. Have you found that to be the case too? Yeah I think so. I'm trying to think of what I'm kind of working. I know I know thing I'm working on now is one of my bands that I was in the two. Thousands is doing a reunion so I have to go back and learn always songs from you. Know Ten fifteen years ago that I wrote and my playing style has changed so much since then that some of these things are kind of like challenging the music itself like the actual song structure and the cords are super super easy but some of the Guitar Parts Like Lead Guitar. Parts and you know kind of the dynamics of things are really hard so I'm going back and I'm saying why did I play this like this? I mean it's cool but I don't play like that anymore so it's just kind of a nice to revisit where you were ten years ago and look at where you are now and we're going to do these songs in for a show. That was a request of a friend of ours for their Fiftieth Birthday Party. So we're going to get the band back together and what? I'm kind of dealing with now as well. I would play this particular part here totally different knowing what I know from all this time that has passed but at the same time. I need to retain the element of this guitar part because this person wanted us to play because they this record and they're used to that so just trying to like do little tiny things to say. I do slightly different turn around here because it's just like it makes more sense now knowing what I know but still let's keep the essence of the part intact so that's been Kinda challenging exercise. That IS PRETTY COOL. Actually like to kind of take what you know since this certain point and retain the essence of the part but put something maybe a little bit new and we'll noodle twist on it that's cool and then. I think that's a cool challenge to just for the fact that it's your playing it's like it's not like you're trying to Memorize somebody else's playing. But this is actually your playing from you know a decade ago. I think that's interesting interesting. So that's been something when I pick up my guitar that I'm doing each guitar playing session a little bit. There's like one song in particular. That's pretty hard to play and I just keep running that over and over and that one I'm sticking almost identical to the part but it's a really fast country like kind of like solo and I haven't played in that style in quite a while so it's like well. How the hell did I do that? And not is just a matter of I run it every couple of times just to get better but yeah kick my own ass from. I was thinking. That's hilarious. Well have you seen any other videos that that have inspired you or even Related or just playing related. I I would point out that on Netflix. There's a pretty cool Z. Z. Top documentary that's available. I watched that because I listened to Z. Z. Top since seventy by knew absolutely nothing about the band like how they got together and all that stuff so it's good to fill in those type of details so it's very watchable. I watched that usually for at least a part of the day. I'm Kinda around on the Internet looking at guitar stuff and Youtube Videos and forums or whatnot so trying to keep my dedicated guitar time to maximum during this trying time. Yeah me too. I gotTA check that documentary out. I think you mentioned that to me before but same way I. I don't know much about the band other than just I mean. I've listened to them forever but I I'd like to a little inside scoop on. Because they they've got a pretty story past like he rubbed elbows with Hendrix. A little bit. I think the the reverend in a little bit back in the day the I want to check that out and going to man after I get done with all the other videos I gotTa Watch about rig rundowns and such poco man. I hope you guys found this inspiring and what we're GONNA do is. We'RE GOING TO POST THEM. Some of the stuff we've been watching online. So hopefully you guys can get inspired and send us stuff that you guys have been watching the rabbit holes. You've been going down. We we always love hearing from you. People out there and and You know I'm always up for a rabbit hole to go down. How about you Chris? Absolutely yeah I mean. I'm bookmark and stuff that haven't had a chance to see but I can always have more right. Man will share it with everybody and I'll do the same. Thanks for listening. We really appreciate it. Be Safe out there. We'll get through this Appreciate you guys. So much sir

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Nirvanagate - Barstool Rundown - August 25th, 2021

Barstool Rundown

27:21 min | 2 months ago

Nirvanagate - Barstool Rundown - August 25th, 2021

"Rough and rowdy fifteen years this friday august twenty seven th at eight. Pm eastern there are five main events including me chef. Donnie against qc p. and pacman jones for his lights out bobby laying there are twenty amateur brawl with no defense no headgear and all haymakers dave porno in big katter on the mike and it sure to be a hell of a show. You'll be laughing so hard because you've never seen anything like it. Go to buy our and our dot com to get your one time paper of you pass. That's our and our dot com. All right welcome everybody. It's the rundown august twenty fifth brought to you by slick. It's a new brand of hard alcohol and fees freezer pops that are crafted elevated flavors to inspire good times. They're available at different premium. Spirit offering places that sounded great including ungava eight percent alcohol per volume in one hundred calories or less each naturally flavored with slick spirited. Ice pop tastes good. 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Have you guys on balls beachwear. I have some of my desk right now. Yeah i love you gotta get it. Our two zero two xl. It's a little bit a little bit flow ear. But i like it. Yeah you can get like a good like instagram picture on the beach with float on the way to be tightness suit louis. Bigger the bigger. The better Someone who is not wearing any balls beach where nirvana kid. Nirvana kid is suing. Because as a baby he was on the nirvana cd. We've all seen it with the Dollar bill ever go and buy but he's doing because he says it's child pornography. I think it's too late for this kid. He like every year. He makes an announcement. That's like hey feeling old. I'm the nevada baby that was on the front. He does that he does. He's now this time around. He's like lawsuit and now he's like. Hey i'm susan. I gotta respect him just trying to get rich off that you only have so many opportunities in your life to get rich and it's like okay. These have a lot of money. I kind of have a case to try and see through it all and make some money off of it. How many times is he going to get a bite at the apple. To get real rich. I agree but should he be suing the record labels and all that shouldn't he be suing his parents. His own parents are letting them do. What was it like when he found out that he was the nirvana baby. What was that reveal like. It's probably awesome for a while and then was like you have a baby peanuts. It definitely is awesome right away and then people probably make fun of you so much that eventually near twenty twenty one you decide. I'm going to force a lawsuit upon these people. Do you think it's like a cool party trick though whether like we'll do you still have a baby peanuts. It's peanuts names embarrassing. I guess you're right. He probably signed some paperwork at some point. His parents probably signed it. Where it's like. Hey twenty years from now. You're not going to be able to sue us and so i'm sure this is going to get thrown out. But yeah he should blame the parents and not not nirvana or kurt. Cobain's state maybe. Who has the money is a courtney love or is it like does he have chil- children's for me to work this. Just courtney love then. He should be able to get the money because she doesn't fucking deserve the money i've killed in we. You're okay. i saw vague term. That said kurt cobain state. I don't know who heads that. I don't know who's the front of that i don't know. Of course. love has the money. I feel like she doesn't but i don't know anything about that. Has most most of my fuck heard that. Have the daughter francis. Bean died okay. So maybe so francis get some money and the kid who showed has been gets a little bit of money. So who's tom. Brady's gonna sue when he gets older for those were leaked. Hopefully it's all through an llc that it was not dave who leaked it right. It may have been his parents. Was it just parents. I think it was tom razzi. Oh wow i'm pretty sure again. I don't i don't remember but How how much. How much does this kid one. I do not know. I don't know how much you want. I- damages was his life. He's probably talked about his entire life. He should be paying them right. I don't like that he up until this year was like. I'm the nirvana baby. And now he's saying. I wanna make a bunch of money off being the nevada baby bullet. You're saying whatever. I agree i think that the kid one hundred fifty thousand dollars. That's much my god. Give it to. Yeah kind of makes me hate him. Kind of hitting me more my in my head. I had five million dollars in my head. Yeah i thought it would be millions as well. This got into trouble. And he's like shit like get that he's definitely not stu loads that are like one hundred. Forty five thousand specific. Yeah right it news. We have kanye. West is legally changing his name to yet. It seems like he is doing everything but released the album at this point. I think he's trying to every single thing he tries. He's trying to like get a massive publicity storm and he's trying to build up publicity by feuding with drake and living in a stadium and wearing a stocking over his head or whatever. I think he's just trying to get to a critical mass of people caring about him. And i would say that it's working people are carrying. Yeah i think it's a big time. It is all the things that you're saying. And i think it's working. Yeah now interested in the donde rollout. I know six months ago. You said what do you think about the don roll out. It didn't exist then. And i would have said that sounds crazy just giving the album but now that all this is happening. I think it's pretty interesting. I i really don't care about the name change. I feel like diddy. Did the name change a billion times. We kind of dot that changes name again recently by love. Which is his legal middleman. What yeah sean. Love combs yeah. He's now switched it to love which is fine. I guess it's the first one that's his actual legal name run. How important is the stage name. Would you ever change your name from rome to row. I don't think i would. But i think that if you're as powerful as into your then you can change your name. I'm asking right now. Did he changed his name to look who. Us us somebody powerful know somebody who knows the guy who shoo neighborhood eats. is also ditties personal. videography sits in the room with diddy as like diddy like pontificates late at night. I'm getting really fact. Check right now by the guy who knows him. Hopefully i'm writing it. Did he change his name. Love also fact check okay kirk urbain's state is now in his daughter's name so it was courtney love's name until his daughter turned eighteen now. It's in her name okay. So she's got all the money. Yeah okay that's good show. It is love. Let's go on love all that on one instagram story. That i skipped past. And i hope that i was right and i sweet. That's so fucking. I love instagram. I know this has nothing to do with the topic that we're talking about. He's just he's just having a good time. He's been having a good time for fifteen to seventeen years now where he's just on a beach. Drinking took smoking weed recently. Ethical one thing to watch any parties used to be the event where white to diddy partner. My first one. Yeah how was it. Oh you were there. I was yeah. It was a good time. It's really fun. Only guy wearing a black sweatshirt. i know. I fell an address. It was like a formal sort of black tie party. A great time though with soldier boise soldier boy onto these instagram. Sometimes he looks around looking for the youth. yes Next topic. Sad news. Charlie watts rolling stones drummer passed away. I wish i wish i was like an appropriate person to talk about this topic. And i was like well. You know you. Don't come up with those them but some of them. I wanted to another substance. I saw the headline that said he was the heartbeat of the rolling stones. So that seems like every like in terms of the beatles and the rolling stones. Watts was definitely a cooler drummer. Ringo starr the beatles. And he's not. He's not he's not he's not the glue. That was keeping the beatles together. I can tell you that that was every but ringo starr. I'll show them not really able to talk with dexterity on this subject. I've actually been watching. Beatles documentaries recently so i'm trying to like bone up on my bills. Now what's your what's your favorite like. I'd say old musician. Like the oldest musician on your ipod that you like vk. Maybe that's such a great life. That's the one you know what you're doing that type artists like what is mine like mozart. Beethoven i don't have anyone earlier than nineteen ninety-two like that's about it there. Before he got shot. Yeah like like Mix tape fifty cents the oldest songs out before he got shot. Are they good. Yes yeah. I don't know anything before. Get richard i try and really no good music really good song. I don't remember when that came out. That's like a fun idea of a song. it talks about. How the most checker donnie. What's your favorite band on your like the oldest band that i appreciate the oldest. Appreciate on your fun. He's googling old the foggy mountain probably the band man atlantic city. Yeah that's a great credence gotten into the last year. I found out about him on the day that he died. Unfortunately is john prime. I started listening to john prime. I really like his music. A lot of people jump right very slow. I don't know any of them the songs but if you wanna get real sad it's like it's like old country really. Yeah it's like folk music okay. Yeah it is it like. That's when you learn a lot about an artist when they die. yeah. I saw a lot of people tweeting about him when he passed away. I was like i'd never heard of this guy. I put his music on it. I like immediately so. I've been listening to him. Ever since gave us like four months. And come back with so much info charlie. Watts we'll redo this okay. Then we'll now he's basically we've never heard of him before until today. Dan will learn about right right. You guys you guys like porn. The porn fans only fans as saying that they will still allow adult content on their website. They're not getting rid of it so there was that put them with the banks. Do we know. I don't know like because the banks are threatening to. They're out to get rid of funding or whatever for only fans. I don't. I don't the i don't know all the ins and outs of it over here. We're talking banks. All i know is that we're all happy that only fans going to allow pointing right. I don't know the the the ins and outs of it. I just know someone threatened to take away. My porn and i was not happy with my guns. That's a fact that there's still plenty of porn out there. You don't have to get your porn free. I know you don't subscribe to one only fan. I time i got on to see what was going around. We don't on stroll don't know her name name tens right. It's it's not born. They're taking away certain type of point and they're also taking away money from the sex workers on only so apparently. That's what i'm more concerned about. But apparently they were gonna take away like penetration fingers or penal penetration. Oh that was short. Digit going into china. Or i was just like you couldn't boobs on there. You can put anything on. You can always keep boobs. that's classy. That's like art okay. That is art isn't safari one of the biggest creators on only fans. Nikki manashe is old boyfriend. I think it shows peanuts to the tune of a million dollars a year. Does he really. Is it her old boyfriend or her previous boyfriend that she dated before meek mill. Oh i knew nothing of ranch chick you probably have to yes. I think there's a decent amount of male creators on their some rappers stuff. Probably some homophobic guys who don't realize it's just dudes looking at their dicks right. I yeah chicken me money. But now they've reverse course in there now allowing only station penetration. Yeah i think they saw what was going to happen. They sell the future. Everyone pulling out not literally but they were just like fuck huge wrench. Field confirmed as a huge ridge. I think the overall this feels like a win. Like the way i look at it like louis ball is going to be happy happy. Yes because he's gotta be thrilled. Glenn glenn balls. I think subscribes the most only fans in the office probably twelve the damages per month. I would never ask. But one hundred twenty five bucks a month about okay. And he does like the p. Five hundred like a rolling twelve thirty changes every month and he likes sells them as a package that he's the hottest names on only subscribe to so that will keep that sub economy going. Wait glenn he does. He recommends the balls. The balls five hundred. It's like the s&p five hundred is like the most the only fans that you have to watch the hottest ones in the game. Yeah that's the smart thing. It is a hobby. It's a certain certainly how much you spend on gulf of month trent green. Luckily you're on part of foreplay. So you don't do everything but it can glean just loves working women Second part of the rundown brought to you by showtime pay per view the most valuable. Yeah showtime pay per view. The jake paul verse tyron williams fight tyron wet right though tyron woodley tyron woodley fucking fucking it up tyrone woodley. Okay this is ron tyron you said it right. And then nobody corrected. You started saying differently. Gods confidence you got. You got to believe in yourself you want to be successful in this world. You've got to believe in your own woodward is fighting. I'm pretty sure woodley. This five fight pay per view. Event is in j. paul's hometown in cleveland ohio. So it will be incredible. It's professional boxing cards. 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There's a video going around of her looking at a yellow bus and just fucking wait so she i should. I should watch the video but so she just wanted to write a school buddies wanting to write a school bus. She's like how old like three years old. Something like that. Yeah that's interesting. That's the part of being richie. Don't think about exactly into experience all the stuff that we got to experience his kids and you see it happening like when she's watching a tv show and someone's riding a bus she's like i have no point of reference for one hundred percent. She doesn't know what's happening to me in the back of the bus. She doesn't know what it's like to kick the can home. Before the street lights turn on the internet's doing like a weird like class warfare thing with this when it's just like a kid who like like when a little kid like loves a dump truck. It's not like oh look at him like finish is in the lower class. That's just like a kid. Wants to play. Teuer not that deep. Everyone's like oh she wants to be poor for the. That's what it is like. When we wanted a fire truck growing up they would get us the fire truck that you can play. She gets a life sized bus life-size firetruck. it's just a different level. I agree. I don't know if it has much to do with being richer being poor. It's just that she wanted to see a school drag a four year old for liking things right and just because of who her parents she now gets the best version of these things that she did. You guys enjoy the buses. The kid no i liked. I rode the bus with all my buddies. So i do the bus. A certain age where the buses awesome. And then you hit like junior high. We're just kind of sucks are fuck we call freshman runs. Did you guys have those on your bus. We're showing the a freshman have to run to the back of the bus and everyone. Could mike huckabee ours. They could no. We didn't have that was that was that on a sport or is that just like just like the bus home. The bus everybody sports buses did some crazy shit like gay. I know people did like gas. Masks related have people were there jockstrap a or jockstrap on their head. Dipping in the back of the bus was big on the way back from a game guys would throw dips in and that was get dizzy. Wright throw up. That's that is that is being cross country. Bus shave our legs bad dipper. Do anything like that. You shave your head is across country. I did unbelievable. Shave your legs. Their lakes aerodynamics on the bus fucked stormy for one in what she wanted. Yeah fucker fucking fucking four kids. That's on the next piece. All right That's it for the rundown of what run an after show the danie eac final rankings have been put out. I saw that you were on the show. Oh yeah yeah. I've never been in a i. Don't know what kind of tyler dame pretty much done. But i don't know what kind of dick shocking you need to do to make it onto the rankings. Because i feel like the most random people always make it onto the rankings. It's always people who've been sucking up to him a ton i've never made it on. Have you made it on on. Like under the umbrella of the. Yeah but it's always like tvos made the rankings. Because he texted tyler ten times at six in the morning that he loved him or something. Yeah it's like. Oh if i just have to machine-gunned text on at an uncomfortable our like i'll make a list. That doesn't seem like it's a meritocracy. Yeah it's it's really not an honor to be on. It's like you sucked enough dick to get on the same number even close to and that's bullshit you deserve a spot. I don't. I don't know if that's right. I say hello tyler that close. I see him in the hallway. We say hello the patriots coach from the nineteen sixties on there. I don't think that he says hello to that guy in the hallways should be above that guy for keeping it real. So you're you're on the list as a member of the twenty first on the list. I think i was the cheapies. Was cody lanza. I think he was very big. Day was forty two big up there. Because i think because number three up there for sure Yeah it's a it's a tough ranking and It'll be sad to see o.'day go today. His last day. I think friday But also and friday rough and rowdy roddy fifteen capital punishment. We have bobby langton pacman jones. So bobby lane has won. Couple of fights. Pacman jones never fought before. Who do you have in that fight. You think pacman jones can out athlete. Bobby lang i think pacman jones is fucking shredded right now. That's the other thing like the jake. Jake paul thing. I said i see pack training a lot. Yes and he's shredded. He so many six packs so many so many ads. Pacman jones trains of maybe the biggest lipper. I've ever seen in it just a massive thing just really loves the size of babies. That's going to be a great fight. It's going to be. I'm also excited for chef donnie. Verse qc get over here. Boxing on what are the ones are gonna use. Chef donnie risky. Pc will be one of the title fights fuses friday. Oh wow really good night trying these are. These are great yeah. I'm excited going into the fight. I've never felt better sword everything going through this whole training camp in this week everything just clicked. Everything's feeling good. I'm as ready as i can be. What's this guy's name again. qc pcp this guy shredded. But as we've all seen fifteen times before shredded doesn't always mean you're gonna win. It doesn't matter. Infighting i don't i actually slows you down big muscles or harder move you gas faster so and i think you've got maybe an inch on him. I think you're a little bit taller anything if the same. Yeah you should say what you want if you win this fight. Because i know that you don't want money you don't want more accolades. Don't you just want more opportunities to create content. All i wanna do is make die trying. The biggest show can possibly be. I wanna keep doing crazy shit. And that's that's it. That's all i care about. Is this brand growing. This and making their shit cost so. Let's put the money that you like. What if i went on i want to do is make diatribe. And that's it. That's what you should be rewarded by the higher ups the powers that be. If you win you should be able to make whatever die trying shit. You wanted this. Well i want to do that. Shit's fare no better way to prove that you are a crazy person than getting into the ring at rough and rowdy donnie. I'm rooting for you. I want you to win. Die trying greater show. it's on youtube. You jumps out there and play. And i got plenty more come in so let's keep making them after this. You can go the other good fights on that car too. I mean she at the resent a knockout artist is going to be back there. Supreme patty fighting against dancing dan. They're all boone county's coming out i don't i don't hate many people but so many people you said here is a little over five people. Don't hate that many people but has the most tangible face in content of all time more punishable than upc or tcp. Were you fight him if he wins. Supreme patty yeah. He's got too much. I think he's too fat too much weight on me weight class. Let's go talk your shit. You actually hate him. No he seemed like a nice guy he's just his contents just horrid will you. Will you ever find referee. I'd find rough and rowdy. I think i could find someone my size. We're not fighting supreme patty. I don't think he's not much bigger than you. Yeah maybe i've been out of that kind of like the same thing with with chef donnie. It's like any opportunity for content. I'll do it but rough and rowdy. Yeah that's you gotta be on another level of do that. Yes maybe a few years younger. I know this moneymaker doesn't look that old. But you are talking about music. I was in vaudeville for a little. Yeah you guys ever heard of Fuck in tom thumb. Bit trying to think of old like jimmy. Rogers jimmy rogers. I don't know who is this person. Supreme batty this is patty twenty three years old. He's eighty five kilograms kilograms. What is this k. What are you what are you what does that come out to. I think it's time to right here. One sixty five seventy one sixty five hit that conversion eighty five times two point two. It was looking up to see if that was a real person and it was a one. Eight hundred seventy seven yeah. He's a little bit busy weight. Range one hundred and thirty seven pounds. We can find a woman to find a high tried to get kids to sign off on a waiver. That said we'd be the first people male female. Do you owe to fight where you don't want to get your ass. But i didn't want her look. She had nothing to lose like if she wins. Yeah she beat me if she loses. I've been hell freezes over. Yeah yeah nice. Robin fox will be day. Dan franklin tang. Caleb ring prime. We'll be there coach prize going to be there. That's awesome ring. girls rings set a bunch of dudes. I'm thinking about the ring girls. Ring girl star. Yeah real bad astromers all right. All right bro- thanks guys. I appreciate it thank you.

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#22 John Prine 1997

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#22 John Prine 1997

"Welcome back to the Tapes Archive podcast where. We release interviews. That have never been heard before in this episode. We have the great singer Songwriter. John Prime at the time of this interview in Nineteen ninety-seven Prion was fifty years old and was out on tour with the band. Most Lobos in the interview Ryan talks about his record label. Boy His Indiana connections touring and is yet to be made do it inspired by ourselves Known a Rainbow against-all-odds anywhere the big door Music critic Mark Allen at the helm conducting the interview. If you'd like to support the show please like follow and subscribe to us on facebook Youtube twitter and instagram. Their post other content and information not available on the podcast. If you'd like to read the transcripts for any of our episodes please head over to our website. At the TAPES ARCHIVE DOT COM. Will jump into the interview after a quick word from our sponsors. The tapes. Archive is proud to be sponsored by the true crime documentary. Deadman's line around trying to get a shot at me. I can go down. Nineteen seventy seven. Tony Koets is kidnapped. The mortgage broker and held him captive for three days of the first time ever the media was able to cover the event live to some. Tony was a hero. Do others he was a crazed son. Deadman's line the true story of Tony. Jarrett says this award. Winning film is available exclusively on Amazon Prime. One last thing before we get to the interview the Tapes Archive. Podcast is a proud member of Cyrus media community connecting passionate fans with podcast and experiences about artists and topics in love. Thanks FOR TUNING IN. And now it's time to open the vault pretty good. I'm late we're kind of on a move you're not Airport yeah well for Friday telephone. I've been walking around process. Twenty minutes per phone. Yeah well not a problem but I thought I was just sitting here thinking you know. I didn't think this interview was ever going to happen now. I know it's not you call. Yeah I know it's just that you know I not only At donut see many interviews with you. I mean I can't even remember ever being offered an interview with few saws real excited when they said that. You're willing to talk to my right that you don't do interviews very often. Just don't do them unless you know unless we get like a like a new record out after know. Yeah 'cause Just hardly ever do because I just don't see my than I'm always worked out good but I. I can't really see the reason why I think that the thing you know. Okay well try to make it to miserable for You know these days immune responses I hear people raving about your music as always I people are always talking about you as a businessman and oh boy and how how great this is and it is oh boy a panacea? I mean this is the perfect the perfect thing for you. The as opposed to working for Major label it is. I never really had any of the horror stories of the like the bands and other individual artists had on a major label. I it's not anything like that. That's why started. Oh boy I just come from a working class background. You know and I couldn't really to work. For Warner Brothers. What could they do for me? You know like nothing because then money before I make and I just didn't see any sense it didn't make sense to me. You go after all you have to do is go through it twice. I went to Atlantic and then I went through it in an asylum for three records and I knew everybody I knew it all the problem and look like a new faces. They just changed suits and change Labels you know and there's always a guy that's hanging out with you know Tonya. Like each gonna freely tell them what the stuff is about the label and then there's another guy that obviously doesn't know you the guy working for him so like the only thing he does is tell me who you are. You know like you know just couldn't go through it again. That's not really I didn't want it to affect me making music and still but I I have a way to get my records out. Even though the records were the main thing with me sick during would have made more friends by by Going around and playing in a club or something or concert hall the records You know just kinda big it out there. And they're self supportive definitive paying for themselves and they they sell slow. Insure like jazz records. Do Yeah but you know. Everybody says when they're talking about you businesswise. They said well you know he gets to keep five six bucks a record comparative to the average artist on a major label. Mike at a dollar. Yeah true but to make it to the bank. You know we're doing. We're doing good right now. and pickers not a good time for independent labels lot emerge get rid of fallen are getting ready to because all kinds of thanks mainly the distributors get bought up. And you're doing good if you're supporting yourself with an independent label right. Now you're doing excellent and I'm sure there'll be better days and everything but we're doing all right. We're we're staying above water and everything's working. We did spend more money on his last couple of records and they sold more but we were able to get played on radio and stuff. What are you typically selling now? Actually Lost Dogs did oh lost dogs. Bit around. Three fifty years was around. Four twenty now the Laverick devout right now is showing slow. But it's good. We can't really tell with a record like tells been out for a year in the bottom line on. This sounds great. You get to keep more of your money. You get your artistic control. And you don't have to answer to the to the major labels truth and are there downsides to this and on top of it like The you're a all the stuff on the road. I it took a while to catch up. But because of the excitement and Sean the records This has been great. You're on a road all the places I've gotten better. The jets rooms could prettier. And the money's just thought double. Wow so like and that's all I'm sure a cumulative thing of what we've been doing over the last five years with two records and the Constitution and everything stay the truth mark. Things could be a great time attack. Got a great home life now and I'm enjoying the shows and Everything just fine you know. Great do We haven't really announced because we have all the participants. But I'm I'm writing for my next record. And then meanwhile I WANNA do do ads record me. All girls like doing sheet song. Wow and WE'RE GONNA RAISE. Start on it as early as next month. I just haven't got everybody as from ballistic girls are GonNa do it during the country's chancellor talk to you about doing so But that's kind of what I'm working on now other than that. I'm going to start Christmas shopping. This is great. I really good just spent six weeks with my family in Ireland. We had a great time. Watch from there and Sala relatives shirt off the babies all over the place. Tv's got a son who slugged Suma and all that happened to an power man. Okay ask one of the question about the label and that his body. You think more people having done what you've done and then would you advise them to do? Yeah would Tell you we seem to do the perfect time. It was just You know we we thing about the mid eighties is when we started boy the reason. I say it was a perfect time. 'cause things are different now like it's even harder now What I tell people to do if I was going to get hit by solid like familiar with dead reckoning will. I think it's good to right now. I think things are so tough that people need game together in order to start something and it also good for the music. It's good for everything but four or five hours together under an umbrella and go into war that way you know I actually I mean this is pure experiences come up in conversations that I've had with John Mellencamp and I've asked me to why don't you jump Ryan does and I think it's just? He looks at as a too much work. Not Really And it's a lot more satisfying even for the for the people that do the actual day to day work which is all and denies that you make a little move in an independent thing and it's a big thing it's a it's very satisfying to everybody. Do you know what you're and we've had a Lotta a whole lot of helping. Novoye see particularly from the from the media. You know everybody was really behind one hundred percent for the get-go when I decided to go into You've got a lot of Indiana connections. You assure got a guy right now from Blue Jason Wilber and he came David Steel Got Jason. When David went with Steve Earle and I got both of them from Larry Crane so I the Mendieta connection and then John Mellencamp but I just go up there around the mid eighties done. It was just before I started. Were maybe I just started it and go up there? Sa- John and I could write something and just hang out you know. And he introduced me to a lot of people around there and Larry's not with you now right as a Larry. Crabb Larry. Matter of fact Larry's taken he's Kinda abstained from the music business group out a year. He's gone out with a race car driver really. Yeah how man. I had no that who who is at the show and produce him and get him and Eddie plays and you had the role in the mellencamp movie to right throughout the song and yeah and stuff. So yeah it's just it's weird here in Indiana connection all over the place. I was reading up some of the things. You're press kit which are cut interesting and one of the things you're saying there. There was that guy at the post office at. Don't take your retirement pay because you'll be back story the sport and I wondered. Did you take your retirement package? Yeah you did. You don't understand it as a business workout. Ain't coming back here. 'cause we asked me what. I was going to do like why was leaving. That's it will. I'm going to play. The Guitar Sang for living. He looked at me like you might go spread wings man. Don't take your take your time and I said why so you'll be back because there's no you don't understand that I come back here and did you Do you ever see that guy again. No no he's back there next parcel post. He's probably saying Chom pride he'll be back. It has your career gone you expect against the dead. Never have much direction with ever wanted to do is work things around pretty much where they're today like going out really enjoying being there and enjoying doing this show and join the crowd and having a A personal life but equal and that and no bills man. I don't think what else today I mean. The the cars all look like shit so I don't want to buy a car out there and I and I like what you said in the press kit about people. People have the mistaken impression that you're angry because you never became a huge star. I'll tell you I really like playing about no more than four or five thousand our and unless play the laws only hold eight hundred nine hundred and they're beautiful they're plays they're made for music. You get bigger than that. You're playing in the sports centers you know designed for their coup six of a basketball guitar. I Dunno I guess there's a lot of money and everything but it takes a lot of money put on a show to keep the guy sitting up in a balcony satisfied. I hopefully like the state you right about round where besides place and I'm playing you're playing a four thousand seater here this time as that's comfortable for you. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He really seemed to have to have retained or kind of like working class. Roots and attitude and stuff. How did you do that? We'll just never good bye into their husband. Stuff was it was it. Was it ever tempting. not really no. There's no one sex sure good particular. Okay have to move to three more minutes express. Okay Twenty six girls that all right thanks. Sorry no not a problem. This you know of listening to the to live which. I think sounds really good and just throwing realizing that that a lot of your songs just have really simple messages. That speak to people. I mean the the the get right to the heart of people's lives is that I don't know few make a conscious effort to write that way or is that just what comes out a lot of times if as long as seems to be saying anything it's usually springs out of me trying to explain something to myself and I guess I must like things in fairly simple terms so however long it takes me to break it down to that Some of the steps also the subject matter is not something you want to make a big flowery speech your best you WanNa Kinda cut to the heart of the matter and get it over with and Also like their answer is I don't know you know I mean I don't know anymore about right today than it did when I picked up pencilling twenty five years ago. It's still when I finished. Look right and everything that I got on the show right at the time. No idea how to do something that just comes and goes but a bus. Come naturally or it's an interesting way to live your life. Just walk around and think about stuff and that type of music here or interested. Yeah just kind of get a hold of you know and you go for it and Maybe it comes out in the form of a song and then when you sing it to people and they react. The way you do with your. I got this emotion. That's amazing it's amazing process sensor really happy and things are going really well right now is a good time for. Songwriting are probably be right now. Liberty Dude I saw. It might be time to take I and be loose socks for a little bit. You know I'm much too. Happy for for suffered songwriter. Probably be writing a different person and What you're here or between any new songs. We are called the guy next door like a series that poor guy and our idea of do songs that you're going to be playing this time. No I'm just working on stuff right now. Kinda pretty crazy stuff usually easy. I wait till I can figure out a reason for right now. Finish it present and you have an electric fan with your age and play some electric. Someone could've said Yeah. Yeah Okay we do a couple of hours and we cover all the years pretty good candidates out. Can you say who some of the people you're these again for that? So that's why I kind of feel a little premature tone. You better kind of that I can't really say the people on the person I can say. Is Iris. Dement 'cause we've always said a date with the other people to talk to their record companies and find out if it's possible and everything so I got A. I got a pretty big list too because I figured somebody can't do it. For any reason we just keep on moving Like saying Oh boy girl thanks and some of them will be achieved as long some of them. Just be love songs. Because you can't cheat without love you know but I always liked the interaction and socks you know like where the girls think something and then the boys except and then they think together. Wait sitting on this for years and years bigger. I might as well do it now. Do not ain't GonNa do it. Is it new material or cloud classics like George Jones? And Tammy Wynette and Loretta Lynn and Conway twitty stuff. Wow okay is it. All country Most of it is on my pick one. I got an idea. Big One broadway. Show tune to big production. Such file. Any idea what might be no. I'm working on all this and the producer and Precious few other people know about it just But it is getting underway within a month so we will be like a more information on seven couple of weeks. Once it gets more people committed to another Indiana connection that I don't know if you're aware there's a there's a four women Capella Group in Bloomington called Fida and they recorded a first set. Angel from Montgomery had album which I hope you get to hear it and it is just stunning. Got Me about these BLOOMINGTON. Yeah I don't know I mean the songs already been done great but you know a couple of times but this is just an unbelievable of it. I think I'll get a hold of one call. Vida Vida D. A. Okay Yeah and let me see just to one or two other things I could. One is for another story. I'm working on. I've been asking everybody I interview. If you became the overlord of Pop music. What would be the first thing you would change will is the first thing I would change per spending with gene? I'm trying to make it a positive. Oh man like everybody would be off much together through the great man boy. That's true isn't GonNa go course and your plant here with Los Lobos like that idea. That can be great. Yeah out of always loved. Both Lobos. Didn't tell me too much more about the GIG when they said the lowest. We're GONNA play together. Yeah this is This is like the one one show. I've been looking forward to also anything else going out with you that you want me to mention. No I can really think of it and I kinda got to start get moving. Because I can gration and everything now McKenna's okay we'll go ahead and thank you and now. I guess I'll see you Saturday. Okay thanks very much for listening to the tapes. Archive podcasts please. Remember you can always find more information about the show and the individual episodes at our website the tape archive dot com until next time. The vault is closed.

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Ep. 112: Swallowed By a Whale, Skunks, and Ahtna

Cal's Week in Review

30:05 min | 4 months ago

Ep. 112: Swallowed By a Whale, Skunks, and Ahtna

"We are proud to welcome and introduce a new show sponsor chevy silverado and the strongest most advanced silverado. Ever we all know a chevy guy among our buddies heck. I was and am such a chevy guy. I lived in mind for five years with two yellow labs guidon all over the country. They're not like a giant obnoxious truck. You can run. 'em all over forest service roads all over america and canada goto chevy dot com. That's e. h. e. y. dot com or your local chevy dealer. And see for yourself. What happens when legendary. Dependability meets modern capability the chevy silverado. The strongest most advanced silverado. Ever chances are a lot of your hunting and fishing has done around or on public lands. If those lands are important to you and they should be you need to join back. Country hunters and anglers country hunters and anglers or jay is working hard to keep your public lands in public hands protecting access to your favorite hunting and fishing spots and helping pass things like the great american outdoors at just let you know i mean. North american board member for memberships. Start at just thirty five dollars. If you act now you'll get a free public. Land owner t shirt with your membership. Just sign up at backcountry hunters dot org forward slash week in review remember. You must visit backcountry hunters dot org forward slash week in review to take advantage of this offer and give something back to public lands from meters world. News headquarters in bozeman montana. This is cows and review presented by steel. Steel products are available. Only at authorized dealers for more go to steal dealers dot com. Now here's your host ryan kellyanne a commercial lobster diver named michael packard was swallowed by a humpback whale. Last week well mouthed. Maybe the more accurate term according to packard. He was held on the humpbacks tongue where it was completely black. Humpbacks can grow between forty two and fifty three feet in length and weigh in around eighty thousand pounds. What i'm trying to say is that the big tongue and packard was occupying. A small part of packard was outfitted with scuba equipment and estimates being in the whale's mouth for thirty to forty seconds which is a long time to be underwater. Let alone inside someone's mouth. Packard has a perspective on life. Very very few people will ever get. Perhaps the only other person documented could be jona from the bible which brings to mind that great. John prime song dear john. It's about the guy's wife leaving him. She leaves a note. Dear john note and the various says like joan got along in the belly of a whale. Daniel in the lion's damn. I know guy that didn't get along. We won't get a chance again. That's all he wrote. Well all she wrote is exactly what packard assumed. Life hadn't store for him in that thirty to forty seconds. He had time to think. I am in the mouth of great white but then thought i don't seem to be harmed. There aren't any sharp teeth. Then thought about his two boys and he had time to think this is the end. He's over he's finished and most importantly add time to think of how. The whale did not seem to react well to his attempts to thrash about which is what he did in his words he eventually saw light and the whale started throwing his head side to side and the next thing he knew he was outside in the water. He was spit out regurgitated. Almost packard was picked up by his crew and taken to the cape cod hospital where he was eventually released with no broken bones just bruises humpback whales are baleen whales meaning they have no teeth in hunt by scooping up large schools of food like the sand lance which is a fish that was observed swimming around in the area long striped bass in order to trap large schools. The whales vision is blocked when they open their mouths really wide. This action occasionally results in bycatch then force the water out and that baleen traps the food in and let the water go out. In this case it also trapped in our mr packard on average a humpback needs about three thousand pounds of fish day which just by eyeballing it would be the equivalent of seventeen point six four. Michael packard's packard reportedly is going right back to diving with a wail of story to tell and only minus a few days of his lobster season. Which is truly incredible. I have got to say. Congratulations to you michael packard and the whole family that gets to keep your round. I am truly jealous of the story. You now have pace yourself on retelling. Something tells me you may be getting asked about this one for awhile. In fact your fate may be sealed as the most popular grandpa on the block already and your boys have a way to go to make that happen in light day. We didn't have these fancy seatbelts in my day. If you stop suddenly you knew exactly where you were going straight through the windshield. You're dead and this week. We've got anal glam. Nipples alaska grizzly bears and so much more. But i i'm going to tell you about my week and my week as well as this. Podcast is brought to you by steel power equipment. But you already know that. I am back in the sunny state of california after a brief gear swap of twenty four hours in montana. I am meeting up with some friends from rife. International to explore the california coast primarily for white sea bass as well as some other species. The white seabass story is an interesting one. And i hope i can lay it out for you in a future episode of callan the field although the white sea bass has been a prized fish for both the commercial and recreational fishery here in california for at least as long as it's been state. The question of is this. Fishing sustainable has been lingering for about one hundred years. Real action to assess the health of the fishery in the impacts of harvest and now the fish are harvested has been a progressive process eventually resulting in a moratorium on gill nets and greatly reduced recreational. Take specifically during a portion of the bass spawning season on this trip. I'm going to meet up with and take a look at a state run. Hatchery a volunteer. Run rearing pen for sea bass and eventually make it out into the channel islands. Maybe even beyond to try and find the adult fish on their spawning grounds. Obviously lots more to come and much to learn. I'm super excited for this one. I am super excited to show you all of what i find but for now we're going to move on. We got lots to talk about a few news items across my radar recently on the rise of the polar bear grizzly hybrid the articles detail how climate change has been reducing. The sea ice that polar bears used go after seals forcing them to move further south into more challenging habitat. Find food at the same time warming. Temps moved grizzlies further north into the range of the polar bear and then as it goes a young bears thoughts turned to love and boom. We get a combo of the two called. Either griller bears or piz lease of those two names. I personally lean towards girl or bear. And i'll tell you why. Sometimes i buy pill sticks for the old snort dog you know. The dog treat made from the dried member of a steer. So a peasley. Sorta sounds like the same item but off majestic bear instead of a beef cattle. Which just doesn't seem right now. I'm going to back up real quick and lay out some facts peasley vegan. Roller is not as simple as a naming preference. It is actually the sire that determines the name peasley is what you would call. The spring of a male polar bear breeding with a female grizzly bear and a bear is the result of a male grizzly breeding with a female polar bear just like in the domestic livestock world. A beefalo is the offspring of a domestic bowl beef cattle and bison cow buffer beef is the offspring of a bull bison and domestic cal into backup a bit more. The fantasy of young love is often just that a fantasy in the wild especially when talking about male predator populations it is often the young males that are getting their butts kicked even kill during the breeding season by older bears. Male and female love hurts anyway. Reading these stories you'd think that a big sloth of mocha colored bear had been turning up outside like edmonton or something that the hybrids were spreading like cold weather termites the subtitle of one of these articles even declares quote hybrid. Polar grizzly bears are taking over which kind of conjures images of like white walker type creatures in game of thrones descending on the populated areas. We know what's coming within. The last confirmed hybrid. Bear seems to have been identified in two thousand fourteen and every couple of years. A new batch articles comes out about the phenomenon referring to this same research hybrids are being born. It's just that people aren't coming across every year and they remain rare. Keep in mind. An adult male polar bear can weigh in at about a thousand pounds while an interior or non-coastal. Sal grizz is probably between three hundred and four hundred pounds. The coastal brown bear is typically much larger. But there is still a good size difference between the polar bear and a coastal brown bear. All that to say whether it'd be paisley or grower the pair would have more to overcome than just the odds of bumping into each other in a vast landscape. there's a good size and appearance differences. Well but here are a few things we do know for. Sure before two thousand six scientists debated whether grizzlies and polar bears could even made it. All the two species were thought to have diverged about five and seven hundred thousand years ago which is about one hundred thousand years earlier than when homo sapiens and neanderthals parted ways. The wisdom at the time was that species as distinct as these two stayed distinct but then in two thousand six hunters named jim martell. Roger cup tana shot an unusual bear on banks island in the northwest territories of canada. The bear had the thick white for a polar bear but it had longer claws than a polar bear typically does and more humpback and a shallower face as well as dark patches around. Its eyes nose back in feet. Genetic analysis confirmed that it was in fact a mix of a polar bear in a grizzly bear a hybrid them between two thousand six in two thousand fourteen. Nine more mixed bears were discovered. Genetic analysis of all of these bears showed not only recent hybridization but a complex history of gradual divergence of the two species with periodic back crossings between them. This leads to bears have the hollow hair characteristic of polar bears on most of their bodies the hollow. Hair insulates better in the cold. With the solid grizzly hair type around the pause. But what i find just as interesting as the mixing of the species is the way they compete with each other as the world changes. Keep in mind. The word compete doesn't necessarily mean duke. It out like gladiators in the coliseum compete can mean whose genes are passed on. Which kind of brings us. Back to the lovemaking side of thanks. Polar bears are losing habitat in two thousand and twenty one. The northern hemisphere glacial maximum was three hundred and thirty six thousand miles smaller than the average maximum between nineteen eighty-one in two thousand ten. That means to california's worth of ice have been lost. The solid shoreline of ice that provides polar bears the hunting opportunity to lunge after seals is literally breaking and grizzlies have been moving north as the two species overlap. Polar bears have a harder time holding their own because they are much. More specialized apex predators. Their skulls are longer for reaching out into water for their prey. Their molars are much flatter and their jobs not as strong because their diet of seal blubber is so soft. They don't have to chew through bone and plant material. The way grizzlies. Do it's interesting to think about grizzlies as a kind of invasive species here or at least a generalist species like coyotes or white tail deer which have thrived not. Because they're better stronger but because they do pretty well in a lot of different conditions. Grizzlies can happily eat seal blubber and elk bones and blueberry bushes and garbage whereas polar bears are stuck when the seals get harder to access and they have to eat as the biologist put it a more mechanically challenging diet. The polar bears latin name. Ursus maritimus indicates that the polar bear needs a stable marine environment to deploy its adaptations whereas the brown bear or ursus arc does does pretty well above the arctic circle in general see that tie back into generalist paying attention last note on the girl or bear paisley topic the combining of names like this converting. The words smoke and fog into smog. Just like polar bear and grizzly bear into paisley or. Grower is called a portmanteau word portmanteau. Is the french word for suitcase. Which i kind of like because it makes me think of stuffing a polar bear and grizzly into a suitcase carrying it around for awhile and being able to pop that sucker up whenever we feel like it. I just thought i'd share that with you here. We have chances are a lot of your hunting and fishing is done around or on public lands. If those lands are important to you and they should be you need to join back country hunters and anglers hunters and anglers or b. J. is working hard to keep your public lands in public hands protecting access to your favorite hunting and fishing spots and helping pass things like the great american outdoors at just let you know. I mean north american board member for be. Ha memberships start at just thirty five dollars. If you act now you'll get a free public. Land owner t shirt with your membership. Just sign up at backcountry hunters dot org forward slash week in review. Remember you must visit backcountry hundred dot org forward slash week in review to take advantage of this offer and give something back to public lands. I spend a ton of time outside in the sun with the irish lineage. It's not that good for me. So recently i've checked out gear from free fly which is like an outdoor fishing brand. They make ridiculously comfortable performance clothing out of buttery soft bamboo. Recently i tried their brees. Pant and a bamboo hooded shirt with a little pocket on the front. If you're ever on the river or the trail or lounging around outside this stuff is super comfortable. And just recommend it got ups protection wicks away moisture and it doesn't spank. You can get twenty percent off when you visit. Free fly apparel dot com forward slash cal. Again that's f. R. e. f. l. y. p. p. a. r. e. l. dot com slash cal quick couple of mentions from youtube and social media. Desk if you've not gotten hooked on the meat eater hunts youtube series with our own janas patel us. Check it out. Elk mule deer whitetail great instruction. Janas does a fantastic job of putting the viewer in the scene. Only found at the mediator youtube channel. If you're searching for that motivation get out to the range and practice with your rifle or bow or shotgun. This is it next up. Grizzly three ninety nine the ultra famous grizz who lives in grand teton national park and requires a small army of volunteers to keep the paparazzi away recently justified her eighty list status in a big way. The photographer rachel sandoval was there to capture the twenty five year old sow barreling after and bringing down a brand new l. calf still sporting its spots then feeding on the carcass with her cubs a few skirmishes between the cubs during the meal. It's awesome these images are simply phenomenal. A wake of dust spreading out behind the grizz. Long springtime clause clearly visible the four little cubs. Trying to keep up. Not really knowing what's going on the calf with all four hooves off the ground trying. Its best to escape. It's well worth your time to look for these still images and video of another three ninety nine caf encounter from this past may both are great refresher on the power speed and agility of an old mama grizz speaking in general terms. Grizzlies eat a lot of plant matter but you can see clearly that a change of menu was a top priority for three hundred ninety nine. Check them out but not just yet. We got a lot to cover moving on to the crime desk thirty nine year. Old brett stomach was sentenced to fifteen months in prison and fined ninety five thousand dollars for trespassing onto the red lake chippewa reservation in northern minnesota and poaching seven hundred pound black bear. It's clear that stomach bit off a little more than he could chew. As apparently there were several attempts over the course of three days to remove the bear he finally settled for taking the head. Three pause and about seventy pounds of meat as you may be able to predict. He still managed to get a grip and grin which he posted to facebook which is how authorities tracked him down you. Joel just the one. Stomachs lawyer tried to argue that his client had lied about shooting. The bear and hadn't fact just happened to come across it while out. Trespassing in the red lake nation which the court did not find convincing. Quick side note here. Red lake is the only reservation in minnesota where all the territories held in common meaning every member of the tribe land and one of red lake seven clans is the mock wa or the bear clan. Now a ninety five thousand dollar trespassing. Fine and poaching fine is not the result of a first time offense. The big guns like that typically only brought out to make a good example of a repeat offender sticks. Border-crossing is especially interesting in the context of another boundary issue. That if you listeners have alerted me to every year the alaska department of fish and game issues permits to hunt bison in units four fifty and four fifty four. Which is the copper river basin in southern alaska about halfway between anchorage and juneau on the canadian border much of the copper river. Bison herds range is on land of the native alaskan atma people and athabasca and speaking group whose name means people of the copper river. This land is controlled by atma inc. One of thirteen regional corporations created under the alaska native claims settlement act of nineteen seventy-one which intended to settle long disputed aboriginal claims in the region with the us government. So even though alaska fishing game issues permits for this hunt those who draw tag typically pay a trespass fee or land access permit fee in order to cross boundary onto atma land. Which seems fair. Just as you pay more as outta state hunter. This agreement works out well for both parties and for the bison funds from the state of alaska application fees and tags as well as from the at and a land access fee. Go toward conserving. The copper river heard but just a few weeks ago hunters who had drawn tags for units four fifty four fifty four went online to find the link to pay the atma trespass fee and found that it had been removed. Only after several days did adna inc make an announcement that they were not issuing land access permits for two thousand and twenty one effectively ending the hunt at inc gave no explanation for the decision and alaska. Fishing game wasn't consulted so now these hunters can't participate in this once in a lifetime hunt. They're out their application fee and tag payment and we're now in a situation where funds from the state government are going toward a heard. That people can't access readers of stephen reynolds. American buffalo will recall steve's administrative struggles in this area and the extremes. He had to go to to get around hiking up rivers below the high water mark to stay on ground he was allowed to access which is still an option for the current tag holders jacob broussard law student and a member of the choctaw nation did a great job on the meter podcast laying out how these land access relationships work now and how they could work well under the future. Here's hoping that the apnea reconsider. This one more to come on this. I'm sure and i'll keep you posted next up the good example desk. It's about time right. People are complicated. They come in many different sizes shapes and possess a myriad of qualities. I'm sure you have some goodhearted folks in your life. i know i do. But i'm not sure. If i know anyone as good hearted as michael jeffrey of nelson c. According to the cbc canada michael noticed a skunks stumbling down the road with its head stuck inside a beer can as you can imagine. Michael had to ponder this a bit. The animal was definitely in distress. He was on the way to work in michael's own words quote. My heart's like god. I really need to help this guy. And then my head's like dude you're gonna get sprayed you're going to work you work with somebody who's very sensitive. You're going to be offensive at this point. I have to say seriously michael. You're a better man than i. When considering voluntarily getting sprayed by a skunk what comes to mind is not yourself it's offending a sensitive co worker. Come on he's saint for those of you who have not had the pleasure that gnarly smell on. The side of the road is just a hint of what is possible in the overall smell department in one thousand nine hundred ninety study of what exactly makes skunk so odorous found a combination of seven chemical compounds. Some of which had only until then been produced in a lab meaning a skunks glance. Were the only place they had been found in all of nature all seven of these compounds smell but two of the seven seemed to be designed in order to remind those that choose to mess with skunks to never do it again. These are theo acetates which are built around a bond of one hydrogen atom and two sulfur. Atoms what makes them so memorable. Is they react with water. A by product of this reaction. Is you guessed. It really terrible odor. Meaning that as a spray victim sweats. They smell worse. Or in the case of humans the more water used to get rid of odour the more odor you produce the other five chemical compounds bond to fibers incredibly well especially wool. Meaning that if you get sprayed the smell is going to linger and intensify. Once you try to get rid of it for you sheep listening. That's bad news. Oh yeah good stuff anyway. Michael had to consider all of this while watching this poor smelly critter deal with. It's manmade head trap. Eventually michael's good samaritan side took over and he cautiously approached the skunk in his work clothes while he was headed for work he quote started coming closer to me and i just knew it was time i jumped in took some bold action and got the camp pride three quarters of the way off his head as gently as i could while the skunk was about to shape the candler s the way off michael was already fleeing to avoid the stinky situation. Here's his quote. In time was running. He had his butthole directly at me and his tail raised so he was trying to blast me fun fact here. Skunk spray has a general self-propelled range of about ten feet. The odor itself can be detected beyond a mile. Some estimates of smell distance going far beyond that skunks used be lumped into the family although skunks look a lot like weasels. It is their anal glands. That set them apart. Unlike must deliver weasel anal glands which also secrete potent odors the skunk family mathare today which is latin for stink has anal glands that are outfitted with nipples is through these nipples which they aim and project there sometimes blinding odor. I bring up these anal nipple glands. Because i think that should be the determining factor in the question of how close did you get to the skunk. Could you see the nipples or well. I mean you get it. Red michael jeffries. Wherever you are hats off to you for both being a conscientious co worker and a friend to animals. Even the stinky ones for you bbc residents if you bump into this fellow. Buy him a beer. And don't throw your empties out on the side of the road if you or someone you know get sprayed by a skunk. Use a soap with a heavy alkaline base. The alkaline will help break the hydrogen. Sulfur bonds making the skunk odor. More water soluble and less clingy. Try baking soda and hydrogen peroxide. You can even throw in some woolite in there. Thank you so much for listening. That's all i've got for this week. Remember to check out. Www dot steel dealers dot com. Get yourself a poll. saw an electric chainsaw. Maybe even just some pruning shears to cut. Open your birds this fall. You can find it all there. By way of an official steel dealer. They're knowledgeable they're friendly and they'll point you in the right direction and last but not least and possibly most importantly tell me what's going on in your neck of the woods by writing in today s k. c. a. l. That's asked cal at the meat. Eater dot com. Thanks again and i'll talk to you next week so you know. Recently i've checked out this outdoor fishing company called free fly. And i gotta say some of the stuff's pretty darn nice tried out there. Bamboo hoodie which is awesome for sun. Protection very comfortable and hot weather as wearing it. 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Episode 203: There's a Hole in Daddy's Arm

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

1:10:34 hr | 4 months ago

Episode 203: There's a Hole in Daddy's Arm

"Guys this micro. This is the way. I heard it episode number two three and it's called. There's a hole in daddy's arm. There's a hole in daddy's arm. We start with the saddest story that i have ever heard a story so sad. The first time. I heard it i thought to myself damn somebody oughta write a song about this well. I didn't write a song. But i did write a chapter in my book about the saddest songs i'd ever heard as sung to me by the men of the chorus of the chesapeake. These guys who. I mentioned earlier in the book. Who introduced me. At the tender age of eighteen to a breathtakingly depressing collection of lamentations set to four part harmony. Unlike anything i've ever heard you think tears in heaven by eric clapton is sad. You think He stopped loving her today. By george jones is a tear. Jerker you ain't heard nothing yet. I'm talking about songs so sad. You can't help but laugh even as you cry. After that i chat with chuck about why it is so many of us are drawn to misery set to music and i share with him. The details of a nightmare. I endured earlier this week. A three day nose bleed there was preceded by the surgical correction of a deviated septum. This is a nose bleed that deserves. Its own sad songs since it kept me up pretty much around the clock for three days and nearly drove me. Insane is a very strange conversation that includes the sudden swelling of my fathers scrotum and my mother's reaction to it which incidentally ought to be set to music as well. I call this episode. There's a hole in daddy's arm in different to a cheerful little tune called sandstone with just might be the saddest something ever written by the late. Great john prime stick around a few bars for you. It's guaranteed to put a smile on your face this episode number two. Oh three of the way. I heard it and it all starts right now and buy right now. I mean right after. 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Now here's chuck with a disclaimer subject to credit approval rates range from five point. Nine five percents. Apr to nineteen point. Nine percent apr and includes zero point. Five percent auto pay discount. Lowest requires excellent credit terms and conditions. Apply an officer. Subject to change without notice visit livestream dot com slash row for more information chapter twenty five his last letter home. The postman snap the rubber band off. The envelopes and slid another stack of mail through the slot in the front door in grid heard the squeal of the tiny hinge the chirp of tin tin and the soft whoosh of a new stack of mail landing on an old stack of mail. Those were the sounds that she tried to ignore. The sounds that ushered in a new day of grief. Hungry mommy hungry now. That was the sound she couldn't ignore in the kitchen. Ingrid spread peanut butter on toast for her two year. Old son as the telephone jangled in its cradle. Hello she whispered yes this is she yes. He would have been thirty one in january. You're welcome ingrid left. Aj to his peanut butter toast and wondered back to the front door with a bear. To- she pushed aside the catalogs and bills and regarded the dozens of sympathy cards. A literal pile of pity. She couldn't bring herself to read but they're buried and the condolences ingrid saw the unmistakable handwriting his handwriting postmark that read september twenty third nineteen seventy three. It was a letter from her husband a letter from beyond the grave for jackson south carolina. September nineteen sixty. Six ingrid's husband is just another private waiting in line to make a phone call home. thanks to what. The army called his issues with authority. This particular private has managed to fail basic training and that means another six weeks away from his new bride ingrid will not be happy as he waits his. Turn to deliver the bad news. The young private does what he always. Does he studies the people around him and makes up stories to pass the time that guy with the soggy shoes and the hangdog expression for instance. Maybe he's just come back from the car wash pool where he's been ordered to clean a fleet of muddy gps and the guy with the arm tattoos that read. Hey and baby may be his new father that committee ladies man who wishes to proclaim in indelible ink his unshakeable belief that women come and go but tattoos are forever. The private smiles to himself. Ingrid will love that. One truth was ingrid found all of his stories delightful but she never thought they would make her rich and she never imagined they would make her a widow. All the same six years had gone by a now here. She was her grief temporarily suspended by the shock of seeing a message from the husband she had buried five days earlier with trembling hands. She opened the envelope removed the pages and began to read her husband's last words the very words she hoped and prayed he would one day say moments later awash in unspeakable grief ingrid tried to place a long distance. Call to her mother. But when the operator heard ingrid's last name she hesitated. I hate to ask but are you any relation ingrid sobbed. Yes he was my husband. Oh honey i'm so sorry all the girls down here. We just loved him. You know that right. We were his biggest fans. Ingrid saab some more. I know she said he loved all of you to back in line. Ingrid's husband turns his attention to the soldier immediately in front of him. The red rimmed eyes the hunched up shoulders. The balled up fist gently tapping against the fresh crewcut. He's on the wrong end of a dear. John call no doubt about it. Ingrid's husband imagines the girl on the other end a deceitful girl. A girl who was cheated on the soldier with best friend. The call ends the phone slips. From the soldiers hand and dangles in midair. Ingrid's husband is close enough to hear the operator. Say oh honey. I'm so sorry. are you still there. Would you like to place another call blinking back tear. The soldier grips the receiver in pours. His heart out to the operator. Ingrid's husband doesn't eavesdrop. He simply watches the soldiers face and dreams up a little story just to pass the time. Eventually ingrid's husband makes it out of the army and back home briefly. He keeps writing stories. But when aj arrives and money becomes more of a concern. The former private begins telling his tales to anyone who might pay to hear them. Turns out ingrid isn't the only one who likes them. People say they feel so real they say his characters remind them of their own neighbors and so the former private takes his tails on the road and before long the money begins to roll in but being away from his family as painful ingrid misses her husband. Aj misses his dad and the man who used to write stories. Just to pass the time begins to agonize over the days. He can never get back once after an all too brief visit home. He writes the story of a lonesome. Troubadour who yearns to relive his favorite days over and over again people like that one too a lot then just as his career as taking off ingrid's husband does the unthinkable he quits in his last letter home. The young writer promises to start writing different kinds of stories novels and screenplays anything. That doesn't have to be told night after night over and over again. He ends his letter with this. Remember baby it's the first sixty years that count and i've got thirty more to go. I love you later. That same day he drops the letter in the mail and boards a private plane. The crashes moments after leaving the runway five days after that the postman on ingrid's porch delivers the best possible news. At the worst possible time we still remember the characters. Ingrid's husband described the kid and the soggy shoes with the case of the car. Wash blues rapid roy the stockcar boy with one tattoo that said baby and another one that just said hey we still remember the roller derby queen the pool room hustler no one messed with the baddest man and the whole damn town and of course the anonymous telephone operator who's sweet voice called a heartbroken soldier at the lowest point in his life remember these characters not only because they feel real but because the man who brought them to life never made it home because his death catapulted his stories to the top of the charts even as the characters he created insured his own immortality naturally ingrid still has his last letter home. It's captain a box just for wishes and dreams. That will never come true. It is perhaps the ultimate love letter. A promise made from beyond the grave by a homesick troubadour earned to save time in a bottle. A teller of stories singer of songs named jim crow chee late on tuesday nights in the back room at janis. My high school friend chuck and i listened as old men from the course of the chesapeake sang. The saddest songs ever written as always the men were broken down into foursomes harmonizing around the square tables. That held bowls of peanuts and pitchers of draft beer. Things began with danny boy as they always do but then moved onto a song. I'd never heard before little pow and impossibly maudlin tale of a man who must say goodbye to his young son before heading off to prison for a crime. He didn't commit little pal if daddy goes away. Promise you'll be good from day to day. Do his mother says and never sin be the man. Your daddy might have been the men stare into each other's faces as they sang and wept unashamedly good. Kreis chuck said. That's gotta be the saddest song ever sung but chuck was wrong as little pal came to an end. Another toe tapper called old folks began. Everyone knows him as old folks like the seasons. He'll come and he'll go just as free as a bird and as good as his word. That's why everybody loves him. So the song goes on to describe a world where all the old people suddenly dropped dead. It is beyond depressing and very powerful. This song actually made me miss my grandparents which was weird since they were live and well at the time once again the old men wept as they sang but before anyone could mourn the death of old folks another pitch pipe blue and another lamentation began. Are you familiar with the peppy. Tune called the little boy that santa claus forgot. Now neither was i. Christmas comes but once a year for every girl and boy the laughter and the joy they find in each new toy. I'll tell you of a little boy who lives across the way this little fellows christmas his just another day. I'll cut to the chase. The little boy rights to santa asking for a soldier and a drum. He's devastated when he gets neither. In fact the little boy who santa forgot gets nothing at all for christmas zero zilch. Why because his father was killed in the war. You see the lady hasn't got a daddy. Chuck stifled a nervous. Giggle sweet jesus. He said who the hell writes a song like that. I had no answer to give him. But i did notice that many of the older men who'd been listening we're smiling to even as they wept some actually short interesting. There's nothing funny about orphans and death. Shell shock and prison but when old men sing about pain and loss and four part harmony the imagery becomes exponentially more intense so much so that the songs collapse under the weight of their own mawkishness leaving you with little choice but to laugh at the unbearable tragedy of all somewhere across the crowded room. Someone blew another pitch pipe and we were treated to the story of an old man living alone for the first time in his life grieving the loss of his beloved wife at her gravesite. He says dear old girl. The robin sings above you. Dear old it speaks of how i love you. The blinding tears are falling. As i think of my lost pearl and my broken heart is calling calling for you dear. Old girl the quartet of men who sang that song were all widowers but they're they sat weeping and smiling and drinking beer and singing into their grief in the far corner another pitch pipe blue and the room was treated to a jaunty rumination on crib. Death i'm not even kidding. It begins with a father who walks into the nursery many months. After his little girl's death i had opened wide. The shutters of the long deserted room and flood of golden sunshine chased away. The dreary gloom while gazing round with tenderness. Where baby lasted laid. I chance to see her fingerprints upon the window pane how the silent tears were falling fullish tears. I wept in vain but my heart forgot it pains as i kissed away. The stains kissed away. Those fingerprints off the window pane. This was an impossibly depressing tableau yet. Even more laughter rang out in the back room at janis as fingerprints came to its weepy conclusion. That's when it occurred to me that those men didn't sing sad songs to reconnect with sadness. They sang them to let the sadness go. That's when i understood that those saddled songs took real heavy feelings and help distribute their weight and that brings me to the saddest song. I heard on that particular night a song. My old quartet still sings when we get together every decade or so a song so sad chuck can't get through it without giggling playmates. Were they girl and ladd. She's home today. Ladd field sad. Dr who calls whispers low when the last autumn leaves fall then she must go lad with a tear climbs. The tree i'll keep her here murmurs he big man and blue sternly cries. What are you doing there lad. Replies i'm tying the leaves so they won't come down so the wind won't blow them away for the best little girl and the wide wide world is lying so ill today. Her young life must go when the last leaves fall. I'm fixing them fast. So they'll stay. I'm tying the leaves so they won't come down so nelly won't go away. Can you picture a little boy. Desperate to keep his playmate from an early grave tries to prolong her life by tying leaves to a tree. They just don't write on like that anymore. When i learned about jim crow cheese last letter home and the family he left behind. I thought about the little boy up there in the tree tying the leave so they wouldn't come down and i wondered if one day they might sing a song about poor ingrid in the back. Room at janis. God knows her story sat enough long as we're talking about sad stories. Did you hear the one about the business owner who didn't upgrade to net suite by oracle. Please don't be the owner of that business. 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Mike lay may come out and play with me now. He told go. I can't laughing said it's simply too sad not to laugh at uh. Well hello. This is mike and shock. the second half of the podcast known as tutut docking. Is that what we're calling it now. I don't know i some people to pick that up. Yeah i've i've been reading a little bit about that. But two dudes one of whom has a weird looking nose right now and is Wrestling through a narcotic haze of ambivalence and malays and then. There's mike no actually. I was going to say there's a little carl maldon thing going on when your nose is tilted up just a little bit. I'm like man. There's a lot of nostril their way more than there used to be Fans of my facebook page know that last week i finally bit the bullet and got my septum. Put back into the middle of my face for the last forty years or so. It's been not where it should be and so getting it fixed was a it was a thing you know. It was called an open sept plasticity and cut my face open and they shaved my turbo nights and they put my septum back where it belonged and not all happened six days ago and this is really the first day that i've been completely off the medication i'm healing. Minos looks different but most importantly chuck. Wow that is the sound of air going through both nostrils something. I've really not experienced since kevin ran lead. Hit me in the face with that history book back in back in junior high. Well i'll tell you it's gotta be it's gotta be a great feeling for you to be able to breathe because i can't imagine how you did it before i i. I i remember the one time when you were showing me the example and you you held one nostril. You held the good nostril and tried to breathe through the bad one. And you sound like a goose. I know you know being shot. It was terrible. Well it's more like the frog in the boiling water. I it's been bad for a long time. But it got progressively worse to the point where it was so bad. I didn't even realize it. Until i got a cold and whenever i got a cold over the last twenty years or so sleeping was very well. It was impossible. I'm not claustrophobic. But when i can't get in any air at all. I can't lie flat. My mind immediately goes to premature burial. The of amount to lotto everything edgar allan poe ever wrote and the claustrophobia and terror that comes from being buried alive completely overruns my brain and i have to sleep sitting up and so just decided you know. That's no way to go through the rest of my life. So now i can breathe but dude i'm telling you man. This was a very very difficult week. And while i'm positive it's going to be worth it in much the same way. A woman is positive. She's going to grow to love the child. She's currently pumping out her uterus. I'm not quite there yet. But i'm going to get there. No i listen. I I bore witness to only a tiny piece of this Just but i could tell the sound of your voice that you were not in a good way man. You are not in a good way. Well you know what. I'll tell you the short version of the story just to share it with the gang because if somebody wants to write a sad song which of course is what i really wanna talk about but if somebody wants to write a sad song about my nose. I'm officially putting it out there. Right now i would. I would great felipe gleefully commission. Something that that that sums up in music. What happened to me on thursday night. The short version. Is you know this is major surgery. Your nasal cavity. You know it's not it's not just your nose it's a. It's a fist sized chunk of space in the middle of your head and What they did to me was they they. They cut me under the nose. Dr seth did brilliant physician made a few incisions on the inside on each side. And the puled my whole nose back and move the septum and then shaved the terminus. I was under four and a half hours. So when i came out of the general he gave me some of this heidrick own Acetaminophen was like look. Don't let the pain get ahead of you because it's very very difficult to catch up. You know. Take these as directed which i never do. Chuck is you know i take. I take half the pain medication. I i. I don't mind pain. As i understand it but i don't like the feeling of being completely out of my head but three days in you know. I had taken to these things as directed every four hours and three days in. I was still bleeding. Not a lot. I was dripping. And the doctor said there'd be dripping he said if it's a stream like from a faucet call me go to the hospital but you should expect some dripping. It's very vascular part of your your head and you're ab- leader anyway. Whatever that so. I said all right you know and i'm woozy and i get home and i'm kinda medicated. And and the snot starts. And when i say snot i don't even. It's not the snot. You're thinking of this. Is my grandfather snot. This a great grandfathers not. This is not the snot. The homo sapien. You know ought to be creating this nomination of god mucus blood it it just so much of it. Man and had accumulated in both nostrils very very quickly and it formed like a red brick wall impenetrable and yet through that wall the dripping. It never stopped for for three days. I was wearing like this gauze moustache. I would change it every fifteen minutes because it would get soaked with with blood soaked with blood and blood blooms when it hits a tissue or peace of god. So i'm telling myself ad looks worse. Bennett is but after three days every eight seconds drip drip. It's like the tell tale. Heart you know. I just couldn't get it to stop and by thursday night i was. I was worried. So i called the doctor now. This point. it's every six seconds. I'm like doc every six seconds man. There's a big fat drop of blood coming out of my nose and starting to worry. I facetime and rip off my mustache and i show him and dude. It looked like i mean it looked like the blood. In there look look like a small animal earth way it was coagulated an awful and just just everywhere you know and he said you okay. So you're you know it's not a steady stream. I told you leader. How do you know it's not a steady stream. There's a wall of stuff and somehow the bloods getting through. So in my mind. I'm imagining. there's a giant pool of blood up behind my eyes and it would be a steady stream but it can't be so it is what it is An hour later every three seconds. So i call him back. The bathroom has over a hundred pieces of tissue paper. all bright. red bloody rags ev. Everything everything it looks like the last real from kerry right. Irwin insist it's awful and and i'm panicking like an anxiety attack. I'm not. I'm just not in my right mind and and i realize as i'm talking to him i'm holding this piece of tissue and the blood that comes out it's the tissue and i can hear it. It goes and that's when i realized. Oh god i'm hallucinating. I am i am so high on hydra cone. That i'm i can hear the sound that the blood is making when it hits long story short. He's like look. You can go to the hospital if you want. This is worse than normal but it's not unprecedented. You just gotta get through the night. And so i sat there. Chuck all night watching documentaries listening to the sound of my blood drop-by-drop hitting the tissue paper completely high on hydra hydrocarbon. When in the next day he met me at nine o'clock and what he pulled out of my nose. Just i'll wait for somebody to write the song that sums it up because it was just unspeakable. Just i got these splints in my nose. Right one in the astral. These giant capsized hollow devices. And all of the stuff accumulates around them and it. Just i just can't tell you man it was. It was six days three days of absolute hell one day of absolute ambiguity followed by two days of okay i can just i can get through this so they took the splints out yesterday. And here i sit before you today with a with new. A new knows maybe some new content for a chapter of a new book and hopefully a catchy melody for who said well. I'll tell you i I was a little worried about you because you didn't sound so good but you are you. It sounds to me now like you are very close to being back to normal. You've you look about ninety percent definitely i. I mean it's funny. But i can see that your nostrils are more open. Seems really weird but But see he. He said it'll go pretty much back to the way it was. It'll my nose will be straighter in it. Already is straighter but it. It is bigger than it was right now because it's still swollen and he said look don't freak out but over the next week it's actually going to swell up inside some more as it heels and so you're not going to be breathing as as well as you were. You know when. I took this the splints out. But that's that's fine. I just whoever writes the song. Make sure there's verse in it. That captures the The majesty of suddenly having so much air would he pull splints out which might auction offer micro works by the way. Oh my god. He pulled those splints out. The air that rushed into my brain through both nostrils literally made my eyes cross. It was so delicious so delightful And so you know it's like i can't describe it. It's like trying to describe blue to wind person. It was really good like a cool drink of water on a warm summer day. All right that works okun little drink of water on a warm summer day. The air rushed in like that. How how did how did music play. A part of your Your your trauma. Did you listen to much music. I actually this is not. This is not a good story. Because i knew i knew that you and i were going to talk about this chapter and i knew i was going to have to postpone it. We were gonna do it over the weekend in real time right now. this is what is this tuesday morning. Yeah the podcast is late by about four or five hours. Yeah yeah and so at the height of at the height of my fever dream at the very height of drug. Fueled hallucinations where i was listening to the blood land. I was thinking of sad songs. I didn't play anything. I really didn't listen to much music. But i got this chorus stuck in my mind. Chuck from an old song by john prime Famous country singer and young road back in the early seventies. He wrote it. Tuned called sam stone. Sam stone came home tells. A story about a veteran comes home from vietnam. He's addicted to heroin and it john. Pride has a has a way of like the satter. The sentiment the happier the melody sometime. And he's got this this this voice that it doesn't make anything sound sad. Which makes it super weird win. It is but the chorus of sandstone goes like this. There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes. Jesus christ died for. nothing is suppose. Little pitchers have big ears. Don't stop to count the years sweet songs. Never last too long on broken radios. Now the thing that got stuck in my crawl though was just. There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes. I couldn't stop hearing it. And if you don't know what i'm talking about. Take a moment and google sam stone and listen to it. It is one of the saddest songs in my opinion ever written and aside from barbershop. Of course nobody does it better than than country with the possible exception of the blues at a tired genre dedicated to it. So you know there. There's nothing new regarding sad songs if we're gonna talk about their their impact on society but for whatever reason that that little hook and that little thing was running through my mind for about six hours as i sat cross-legged on my bed watching something on the history channel. Listening to the imaginary sound of my blood hit the kleenex. Dumber from sam stone. Google it man. I'm telling you actually don't do it. Because if if if it gets in your crawl it will resurface at a dark moment in your life and that will become the soundtrack. Well it's tough to shake earworm particularly one. That is depressing like that. But i i knew that That you weren't fully fully there are some of the texts i got from you for just like ob- like what were you said. Yeah i don't think we're going to be able to do the podcast today. This was friday. I'm like we never even talked about doing the podcast front so it was just. It was such a weird. Yeah i'm sorry buddy You know i was going. I was toggle back and forth between various levels of lucidity. Yeah you know i. I was never complex not true. I was out of my mind thursday night but then after that it was all just variations on a theme and the doctor. He he took me off the hydra code. And then put me on something called an which is really just more of a sedative and less of a narcotic so i was never fully asleep never fully awake. It was like that time in georgia farm were. Qbc is like upset shift work. Except i also had these two giant objects jammed deep into my nostrils so just walking around in a fog muttering sad songs thinking. Oh yob supposed to talk to talk about that. Today are chuck. can't do today to push it. actually i. I wasn't expecting you call or us to do it. So there's a hole in that his arm where all the money goes jesus. Christ died for nothing i suppose. Oh my god you're kidding. Me stop question. Is what happened to us. Back in nineteen eighty four with those old men in johnny jones when we were overcome with fits of laughter. At at a time that was i. Just i think i know the answer but that combination that weird combination of masculinity and unapologetic sentiment tears and laughter. It it all came back to me was the little. Help from the narcotics. Let me ask you about that. Because i know that story. I was there in johnny jones. I think it was actually earlier than eighty four. 'cause i moved to new york and eighty four. It was it was. Oh yeah that sounds about. Were just out of high school. You graduated in eighty one eight one. Yeah so we were there in. Eighty eighty one. Eighty are forty year reunions or this year yours. What's they cancelled. Nine host phone. Two hours are combined now. Oh that's right. They're doing it in ocean city ocean city. I should go. I got thinking. I'm gonna yeah. I'd love to address the graduating classes of nineteen thousand nine hundred eighty one with a little tune. That goes like this. There's a whole industry where all the money go. We just that image man of like from a kid's point of view is you know. Obviously this is a A cocaine problem. I'm kidding It's a heroin problem but the idea of a kid you know just making sense of it. There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes cat. Jesus christ tying tying the leaves and it's like ingrid right. It's he's songs my favorite sad songs anyway. All attempt to unpack a moment. You know the moment in time the good ones now. There's some there's some great sad songs that tell big epic stories but my favorite ones start with okay. The letter came through the mail chute and landed and the widow recognize the handwriting as that of her dead husband recently buried. Yeah so now. I don't think anybody's written a song about that moment. Either but somebody should. Wow somebody should because it it. Just it blooms like blood on a tissue it just stretches out further and further and keeps going and you can go deep. Goes as you want. But it's all in the service of unpacking that moment. A little boy sees his heroin addicted. Veteran dad take what should be their dinner money and shoot it into the hole in his arm. Would you do with that. You know you're right. Asong a little boy tries to keep his playmate alive by tying the leaves and a tree so they don't come down. Are you frigging kidding. Become winter comes when autumn silver. She's gonna pass away that's right. I'll just keep autumn here right. It's not because of the leukemia. It's not because of the cancer. It's because the leaves are going to drop off the tree so in that childlike way of thinking you can correct the problem by tying the leaves up there so that moment gets distilled and it turns into a song. It's the same thing with fingerprints. The silent tears are falling foolish tears. I wept inveighing. But my heart for god's pain as i kissed away. The stains kissed away. Those fingerprints upon the window pane the moment. The guy walks in. he's not sure. Can you get on with his life or not. His little girls been dead for six months and there. He sees her fingerprints. Yeah he does. He can't wipe them away but he can't leave them there forever. It would drive her mad so he kisses the away and then he writes a song about it. Are you kidding me. There were so many. So many of those i mean it really was just a plethora of songs that we heard kids. That were so sad. You couldn't help. But giggle i would say. Yes a plethora at times though. It felt like an assault if because those old men in johnny jones that there were one hundred thirty people in the course of the chesapeake back in those days and of them all new the same songs in fact they all knew the same songs so any force him at any time could break away and woodshed harmonize. We'd hear the sound of a pitch pipe and then the next lamentation would begin. I aw way. And so it. Just i wanted to write about it because i wanted to try and find a way to to parse the unspeakable sadness with the inappropriate laughter. And it wasn't just you. And i being a couple of dicks laughing at something inappropriate. It was the men themselves. Yes yes as they sang because they too couldn't quite fully shoulder the wait. What did i call it via the mawkishness. Some mawkishness yack right word. Yeah well they were expressing as a grandpa might say melancholy. A- yeah right. we don't use that word anymore. But it's a feeling that we love to feel people love to feel you think of sad songs that was at elton. John song they say so much What are the other ones Cobb wrote them down somewhere there. They're only a jillian so it's all sung blues songs song blue. Everybody knows one. And it's precisely true because everybody's lived one. Yeah you know. We know sad songs because we because we lipset songs but melancholy as i understand it anyway is different than melancholy. Melancholy was what in pose day. They would call what we now call depression. You know if you were in a state of melancholy. Oh you were. You were predisposed to depression and were therefore often depressed. Melancholy is a little different. Come to my melancholy. Baby cuddle up and don't feel blue all your foolish fears. Fancy may be right. It's that word actually appears in a lot of the old songs because the feeling melancholy as opposed to feeling depressed is sometimes cathartic brian and that was the other point. I was trying to make you. There's a difference between wallowing in grief and self pity and lead choosing to sit down and have yourself a good cry for the purpose of of just being Released from something. Yes i wanna That reminds me of. I want to correct something you said about how we were laughing as we were singing the way i remember it is that these guys leaned in to the melancholy leaned in to the sadness. They had tears down there is they. They were feeling every model in moment of it and we're but but they were also aware that this they were they found something to laugh at in the midst of vat feeling and i was going to make is that they. They would finish the song they would. They would embrace the sadness wholeheartedly. But the minute that they hit the last chord that's when the smiles chuckles the giggles and the jokes would come in. Remember what we did at the end of the dumb tying the leaves right. Oh play made come out and play with me now. He owns a she. she does. Because it's like you know something if you're going to write a song that makes me feel that sad through that. I'm going to hit something back over the net. That says hey man. I don't appreciate being manipulated like that. Even though i kinda do no i. I loved it man. I love those. I remember how earnest's fred could be frank. King our mentor and music teacher. You know where i mean. He felt that he would give those speeches before we would go to compete to give a speech to the chorus that he was like patent and he would he. Would you know tears streaming down his face. He'd be all emotional and everything and then and then we would lose and then he would be like well. You know. i'm next time. Well it's the it's it's the. It's the unapologetic sentimentality combined with the undeniable presence of masculinity that for me was the most interesting thing about the course of the chesapeake and interestingly the boy scouts for me your experience might vary. You know boy. Scouts are very different troop troop in the old days. My boy scout troop boxing ring and mandatory shooting lessons. And it was run by a retired drills. Are right right there. Lots of barbershop. Choruses out there that smear on the pancake makeup and sings zippy duda and it's like whatever but the course of the chesapeake those dudes many of them in the second world war korean war the vietnam war. They stood shoulder to shoulder. They loved it when fred king made him cry. They love to be sentimental but they were manly men among men and yeah whoa onto the who cross them. These were guys who who could laugh as heartily as anybody and who also could cry just depending upon the moment they just they played the full gamut and that to me is what i learned. You know what about. I don't know about you but my dad like i don't think my dad. When i was a kid told me that he loved me. I think fred king was the first adult that told me that he loved me. You know while that was different. Yeah no. I didn't know that about you. Know what my dad told told his sons. He loved them but he always did it with a weird kind of what do you call a caveat. So really yeah. That's not to say. I'm not saying my dad's love was conditional it was it was unconditional and it still is. It's just that he loved his wife. More right right right and i talked to him about that on the podcast. A couple of months ago. I recall i talked to my mom about it. And and you know that i never took offense in fact i think it was one of the greatest favors he did. You know he. He didn't he didn't make a big deal of spelling it out but there was no doubt in the minds of my brothers and i that my mom came first to him and then us anyway digression but yeah fred fred. King was not shy about imagine today. Imagine fred king today in a skill you know putting his hands on your shoulders leaning in insane listen to me. I love you. And i want to help you get in touch with something about yourself that you don't even know lives inside of you and then handing you music and forcing you to sing it. This is the same guy who took the snare drum and marched up and down the hallways during the first day he and i went to overly senior high. A we had the same first day. He started saying they're back in. Nineteen seventy seven. I guess was and yet inspiring people to students to follow him out onto the football field for homecoming where he taught them. The school song that people didn't even know they had into saying it again that we're juxtaposition of of making music and an acting and other stuff that you know. Typically goes into sissy category right next to brawling fighting serving shooting. He was a golden gloves boxer. Fred king was yeah was all pro running back. I believe There was a story from his previous school where he Where where someone confronted him and he said okay. Let's go and he actually fought a student. The student and at moved on and there was no issue. There was no calling of parents. There were no it was like okay. Can we move on now. Yes we can thank you. I get it but that was actually that that happened at parkfield where i where i went to junior high and in those days when he was teaching there he was just out of the navy. He was like twenty four years. Old twenty five years old. He wasn't a big guy. Didn't have any teeth. He had lost them all plan football and boxing so he had these. You know these these fake teeth you always wore and in those days you could hold a kid back indefinitely and so there were. There were kids. They're technically still in high school. Who were twenty years old. So you know. He got challenged all the time. Yeah and Oh a legendary story confirmed by several sources he. He laid a guy out flat right in front of the classroom. You're going to go home and tell your mom said no. No and that was that anyway. It was a different time. And you and i were lucky. You know years later to meet him and then to be ushered into this weird world. Where old veterans sat around singing sad songs weeping laughing while buying us seventeen eighteen year olds all the all the contract here. This is not an image to that which is appropriate now not any longer. But you know I was there for that with you. But i also was there not that long ago. I think it was the year before last where you came to l. a. to do a speech about what it means to be a man and you told this story basically about johnny jones and all the sad songs there but you had the benefit of not the written word in a page but you could actually sing them there and what i was. Well i i was working on this chapter and kind of thinking about this when i was invited to give this talk and the the theme of the evening was on manhood and i ask what what what specifically do you want me to talk about is you know is like a dirty jobs. Rumination deadliest catch rumination. I got lots of stories about manly men. Doing lots of men manley things and they talk about whatever you want. I said all right well. This book was in the works in. This chapter was on my mind so i i thought it would be interesting to to talk about fred. King this this man who had this impact on you and me and thousands of other people thousands. Yeah i mean i. I don't think you were living in baltimore when he died. But you know his funeral chuck. The church was standing room only and there were probably four hundred people standing outside. What's interesting was that. There was a hurricane blowing up the coast. It was raining. Cats and dogs and people were standing out in the rain former students. Almost all and i was inside and every single person there. I mean it was truly like wow. This is a wonderful life. If fred king wasn't on the planet you know none of these people would be here and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the the point of the story vis-a-vis the speech was to say that this this most unusual man was manly exactly because he didn't give a damn what anybody thought about. The songs he sang in the life lived and the way that he lifted and to to be able to to be a a role model to us the way he was and at the same time inspire so many other people with with music and so many different ways. I that's the thing. I tried to unpack and so talking about. These sad songs in a book is one thing you can type the lyrics out and hope people read them or maybe google them and get some sense of it. But i realized when. I was standing in front of that crowd you know. I think it was little powell that i came to mind. I mentioned it in the in the book but that that song. A man falsely accused of a crime crime. You didn't commit is going off to prison. And he turns to his his little boy who will likely never see him again and says little pile if daddy gozo where parameters you'll be good from day to day do as a mother says and never see. Be the man your daddy might have been. I could type that out and but to stand there and sorry about theo vocal technique. My nose really hot mess at the moment. But i realized that standing on that stage singing a song like that to a crowd like that was having an impact not the same impacted. Fred had on you. And i of course but how many bela celebrities walk out on stage and sing a song. That was written one hundred years ago in the service of manhood. One right so. I'm not saying it was a great speech. I'm saying it was a different one and probably not the one they were expecting. But it's weird man that there's a chapter in this book called you know a manly man a gold watch and a really big seat which go on. Don't don't ever correct me on the podcast. Joe yeah sorry about that. Look i'm still somewhat medicaid. I'm tired of making excuses. But yeah are you in fact. I'm really starting to lean into it. You really are. Yeah okay look. I guess i'm still trying to figure it out. I'm nearly sixty years old. And if there's some sort of playbook for what it means to be a man. I think it's still being written and i personally believe that. There must be a chapter in there somewhere that that tries to parse this weird mix of sentimentality with masculinity. That's really all i meant to say. Yes yes the. And that's that's exactly what it was and fred was a master of that. You're pretty good at a too but the idea of conveying emotion in a masculine way. I think that's really the the the the thick of it is that To be a man and to be a masculine man but still to say something that might bring a tear. To someone's i is a skill that not everyone possesses. I don't even know. If it's a skill i think it's a choice you know it's being vulnerable is what it is not gonna be all sensitive about it because i don't. I'm not in the pajama boy. Camp right i don't. I don't think that there was a camp of pajama boys. Google pajama boy. You'll find them. What is it that seems weird. I don't remember now. What was an ad for around christmas and a guy. A guys wearing pajamas. I don't just google pajama boy. All right it was a thing for a while. This isn't that okay. it's it's more about. It's more about being vulnerable. And letting people see you at your maybe not your worst but maybe at your weakest and and and fred was not afraid to do that you know he was not afraid to cry. Yes which is different than saying. Oh gather round everybody. I'm going to cry for you now. If it was never the goal it was just a symptom of a of a really passionate emotional guy who didn't care to ever hide his passions promotions. Have i think is interesting. Have you ever seen your dad. Cry twice her yeah Yeah once when his dad died and a year ago. I saw him weep in much the same way. I saw myself weep three days ago. I don't know that i. I don't know that. I mentioned this at the outset. But this is probably a good place to start to land the plane. But when i at my worst moment this week. When i was on the phone with the doctor listening to the imaginary sound a drop of blood makes when it hits the tissue. I looked in the mirror. I'm standing there in my underwear with this awful. I got a splint on the outside of my nose in splints on the inside. I don't even look like myself. I don't recognize myself. I'm covered with blood. i'm laughing at. I'm crying tears. Chuck real tears are streaming down my face. I'm laughing at the sight of myself but not feeling any humor at all because this giant narcotic haze is hanging over me and my dad my dad a year ago and i'm not saying anything i haven't already talked about on facebook. My mother wrote a chapter about this. Is the testicle store. S of yes my dad. A he had a hydra seal. You know hernia inguinal hernia and a hydroxyl procedure which led to massive swelling drainage right all that fluid oz gotta go somewhere and it goes to your scrotum. My dad's offroad him swelled up like in my mother's words some sort of pineapple pineapple. No she went through the whole litany of fruits vegetables. You finally settled on eggplant and she wrote about it in terms of the blackened eggplant now. My dad is a is a circumspect man. he you know he doesn't share. Necessarily he's modest to a fault. He doesn't cry to answer your question much at all. But when i went home to see him because my mother said look something's wrong you know i mean it's not just the fact that your dad's scrotum is now the size of eggplant. He's he's depressed. He's he's crying he's not in his he's not in his right mind. Of course he was on medicine as well right. But i now that you mention it i. I realize what was really happening is for me three days ago and for my daddy year or so ago. We were both coming to terms with the fact that we weren't in control of our bodies our bodies were letting us down. Yeah something was happening. That we simply couldn't control for me a steady drip of blood out of a knows that didn't look like my own for him a scrotum that was something the size of an egg plant. And you know somewhere in the back of his mind. I'm sure he realized for his wife content galore and between us. My mother immediately started writing about it. She sent me an early draft of hysterical essay. I retitled scrotum land. everything became about. My dad's scrotum this shy retiring circumspect modest man when i walked into the apartment. He's standing there and he says michael lewis things now. Does this look normal. I'm like no. It doesn't look normal unless you're at the state fair in the eggplant competition. You know what else. It doesn't look normal. You drop in trowel right here in the living room. He was showing off his giant soedomo. The way you would show off you know a new tattoo. If you were really proud of it yes or confused by proud and confused. So i guess a i guess gentle listener if you're seriously going to sit down and try and write a song about the moment ingrid saw that Handwriting on that letter from her dead husband or the moment micro heard the sound that blood makes when it hits a tissue you might as well jot down a few bars about the time on rope. Pulled his underpants down. And says does this look normal daw because that is a sad song by friends to be written song atlanta. hey Before we go. I want to ask you. What's the last movie scene that you that made you cry. Or what's the one that gets you every time Well you know it's funny. The lockdown i think has made more people and this people have been more more people have been sadder in general. I think in my lifetime during the last year than ever right. yep. And i know that. Tv's powerful I got an answer to your question but by way of preface i got i gotta tell you. I saw a mcdonald's commercial. You were going to say that. I knew you were gonna say about eight months ago. You know the one the old guys behind the counter. He's working part time. It's a thirty second spot how they managed to impart in thirty seconds that the old man is a widower and he's just trying to fill his time by helping people so he gets a job at mcdonalds and the asks a couple of young kids if they want fries with that and the young kids are so nice to the old man and the old man is so nice to the kids. And it's just like a big mac and fries and coke and he offers some change and they say keep the change. And i'm sitting there. I realize man might. My lower lip is doing that. The question to think. Yes i and suddenly i'm like. Why does my gin and tonic. Tastes salty weeping into my gin and tonic on account of damn donald's commercial. Yes man i. I know exactly that feeling. Did the exact same thing. Last year was a sad year. But it doesn't matter. Pandemic lockdown or not at the end of saving private ryan when the old private ryan. The old man is kneeling there at the grave of tom. Hanks knowing that he died too to save him and everybody else in the platoon basically died to save him tom. Hanks's last words. Remember he pulls him close and he says to matt young private ryan earned this make it count make it count and now sixty years later. The old man kneeling at the grave with his wife and family behind of tears streaming down his face and he sang was. I was a good man right and his wife is there to say. Yes yes you made it count and then the music of course. The music swells behind that. I'm sorry i you can run it right now and i would cry and then afterwards we would laugh about the fact that were a couple of dudes crying at a moment the screen for a moment in the back room of a dive bar in highland town in nineteen eighty two whatever in the words of crowded house wherever there is comfort there is pain. True words never spoken. I'll tell you that There was a lot of tears in holland town back in the day there was. Yeah there were. Hey we have a conference call. Were supposed to be on. Yeah yeah so we we. We need to wrap this up Listening we really appreciate it if he likes episode. I'm thinking we got more than one at this point if we don't. I'm speaking to each listener. As if they're the only one listening because they probably the only one listening right now listeners. Take a look around around you right now. Who's listening to the same thing that you're listening to probably not we're talking to you and if you'd like this share it with someone else and if you don't share it with someone else feeling is that more people should share things. They're not crazy about. I just really think in the interest of broadening everyone's horizon we ought not just get stuck in this five star world right thought. This was pretty good. Give it a listen. This was a little bit of okay. Let me know if you're right now know what i'm saying. Is you know what this fell. Short of the mark. I'm still giving it five stars. And i think you should give it five stars to even as you listen and wallow in the sadness. The disappointment the weirdness of mike's bloodbath and his dad's giant scrotum for all these reasons five stars for what's his podcast called. Though way i heard it that could charlie thank you. Oh and if you want the book do they know what to do. If they're want their book they download the book where people download books and then they listen to the entire book probably audible or some such place but is come back here next week. Yeah you listen to a couple of knuckleheads unpacking one. Painful sentence at a time for free. Hey by the way yes how things go with that whole bluetooth thing. The remember the sponsor for a week or so ago yes. I'm getting tons of email from people. Say they love. I they they let me write a commercial apparent i did and now people are wondering hayes bluetooth coming back and i don't know as a producer i wonder if you have any insight Yes i do nothing that. I'm certain to share at this moment but yes i believe they will be back for more. Choose of the blue well if you talk to them. Just tell them that. I said i'd be up for it. I see what you did there. Okay all right chess. There's a hole in daddy's girl money. Go jesus christ died. 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"And hospitals decide whether to give frontline healthcare workers priority access to mechanical ventilators. Should they need them during this covert nineteen crisis? The economists applied some of the principles of market design that have proven helpful in allocating kidneys for donation in matching medical residents to hospitals in distributing visas to immigrant workers. They quickly wrote an academic paper. It's called triage. Protocol designed for ventilator rationing in a pandemic integrating multiple ethical values through reserves and the keyword there reserves are proposal. Here is to think about an enhanced priority points system where you take the ventilators and you split them into categories or what we call reserves where a fraction of reserves can have one priority order. The remaining ventilators can use another priority order. Imagine for instance. We're talking about one hospital. Let's say you have one hundred fifty bed hospital and they have twenty ventilators. Our proposal is the following right. Take the twenty ventilators. Put them into two categories. Okay five of them are going to be ventilators. That are going to prioritize essential personnel. Fifteen of the ventilators are just going to take the ethical principles of saving the most lives in the most number of life years. We have these two groups forty eight hours in twenty patients on ventilators. Imagine we have thirty patients show up? Who are frontline medical workers who need ventilator okay and there are an additional sixty patients who are not frontline medical personnel? What we need to do is take thirty doctors or respiratory therapists or nurses who are on the front line and try to allocate them a ventilator that's reserved for their group Let's back up for a second. You said the fifteen ventilators from the general pool are being used and the five from the reserve pool are also being used. Are we to assume that? All five of those reserve ventilators are being used by frontline medical personnel. It need not be Steven. Actually suppose only three essential personnel had showed up so then the remaining two would go to the general community. Let's say I'm a doctor that comes in and I'm qualified for the reserve pool of ventilators and there are two people on those five ventilators reserve for pool who are not from the reserve pool there from the general population. What happens do they need to get booted author ventilator to accommodate me? That could be possible. We would potentially bootham off says. The New York standard actually talks a bit about moving people off of ventilators. That's typically done when someone status changes so if two of those people if they're sofa scorned deteriorates then one of the ventilators becomes free. And that would be the case in which you would potentially be booted off. It could be possible that the patient who would get displaced by the frontline medical worker would then act qualify for The General Pool. In which case they wouldn't need to be booted off but what they would do is displace general pool person who maybe has deteriorated and frees up a general ventilator so key principle number one no ventilator unused okay Key principle number two. The categories can overlap so a frontline medical personnel. He could qualify for the first bite at the apple or he could qualify for The General Pool Right so he is priority may be high enough that he gets a general pool ventilator just having two separate priorities or three or however many you wish for different categories of ventilators partitioning all ventilators into these groups and using a different priority order for those ventilators. Might not say well. Let's talk about instrumental value on a much larger canvas. So there's one doctor who might be able to treat over the course of the next month I dunno two-three five hundred people but what about a cancer researcher whose work might affect millions of people? What about an entrepreneur whose inventions might affect billions of people? So I understand why it resonates on an obvious dimension why health care workers should be given priority. I'm I'm not disputing that. But doesn't it feel like a fairly slippery slope and if so can you persuade me that? You're not starting us on the slope primarily because you're married to a doctor. Oh sure well let me give you another instrumental category that I think is important and that is patients who sign up for a clinical trial on Cova treatment. So we need patience to do that. If we're ever GONNA find a treatment for this if we don't have patients who do this then you know the pandemic might last a longer amount of time so they should also have some kind of consideration. You could call that kind of Good Samaritan category I would not say however that all of the instrumental value cases should trump these other considerations. Because that's what I'm worried about. I mean I don't think we can say that. The person WHO's delivering groceries to folks house or running the subway system. The bus system there are also keeping society going right. So you're absolutely right. There's a slippery slope. So that's exactly the reason why we should not have a bang. Bang is what we say. An economics zero one type solution. We should have some set aside that respects instrumental value or reciprocity and some satisfied that has non-discrimination. I think the main reason our proposal improves the current situation. We can accommodate frontline personnel and we can also accommodate nondiscrimination. What we offer is a midpoint. So there's really no right answer here right it's about equity it's distributive justice it's about what's the appropriate kind of normative standard. That we WANNA have here now. What about the flip side? What about a stick instead of a carrot should people who get caught violating social distancing standards get demerits so that they don't have the right to ventilator? That's a possibility Stephen. I think there's going to be a lot of implementation challenges there. I will say however I think a lot of frontline. Medical personnel are annoyed when they see people not following the guidelines. So I could see some sentiment in favor of that. But that's a tricky one. Pathak and his co authors already had one fruitful conversation with a bioethicist who was involved in setting up the Massachusetts Standard. For prioritizing ventilators plainly hope to influence the general conversation to that end it may be helpful to point to some other scenarios that use a reserve system one reserve system that we studied recently is the h. One B. Immigration VISA SYSTEM SO H ONE B. Visas are visas for highly skilled employees this year. H One b visas are allocated in the following way typhoon Sonmez. One of pathe's co-authors Darah Sixty five thousand visas which are open to all qualified candidates and there are twenty thousand additional visas which are exclusively reserved for holders Advanced degrees for American universities. So it's a situation where someone who's got an advanced degree can qualify for more than one type of slot at dusty be holders correspond essential personnel. No because they are the ones who have these reserves but there's one crucial difference between the H. One B. Visa reserves and the medical personnel reserves. The ECONOMISTS PROPOSE IN THEIR NEW PAPER IN DEBATE. V. distinguish between two ks hard caps soft caps saw the ventilator application is. What beautiful is self cap? So preferential treatment is given but otherwise everybody's eligible for all units Varis h. One B. Visa application is an example of Hark chops hard cap because members of the general population. Do not have access to the reserve slots. Actually the are now talking to doctors. You Know Medical Ethicist Low Yours. And they're interested in this idea but they're a little bit worried about the desert -nology the phrase reserve might give people the wrong idea. These are soft reserves Ever left on us so as we speak. There's some evidence that the cove in nineteen curb is flattening in New York state. Which has been the epicenter? So let's say God willing. This trend continues and repeats itself elsewhere in the US and around the world. And let's say that ventilators will not be as scarce resource as predicted. What kind of value will your model or idea still have? We all hope that we don't need to ration and we get you know out in front of this. The curve is flat and but I think there is a ton of value. Here in thinking about what we've as a society think about rationing and who's more deserving so a as I read the documents that exist from two thousand fifteen I mean you could have asked the same question back then. Why did they write those documents? There was no influenza pandemic in two thousand fifteen it was all anticipating the future and if our documents say certain groups are excluded or there's no priority for people who take risks. I think that's a dangerous situation. You could also imagine that Kovin nineteen itself will present further rationing necessities. Were not going to be able to get back to quote unquote normal until we have vaccine which about eighteen months from now. That again Zeke. Manual there will doubtlessly be vaccine rationing and maybe even therapeutic rationing depending upon which therapeutic seem to be effective against covert nineteen thinking about rationing is a form of preparation that is in short supply. We didn't prepare for obviously surge capacity. We didn't prepare for. How do we rapidly developing distribute a test? We didn't prepare for the idea of contact. Tracing in working with the tech companies to develop a robust system for tech enabled contact tracing. Obviously we didn't prepare for enough ventilators. We were woefully underprepared. Milan Han again. It turns out our national stockpile was not adequate. It turns out that even for instance some of the equipment and the stockpile the ventilators were not working and really. We don't have a centralized system to get needed. Medical supplies and equipment distributed evenly across the country. And what we are now left with is each state Sort OF FIGHTING FOR ITSELF. Each health system fighting for itself each healthcare worker fighting for their own personal protective equipment and to me. It just seems such a waste and such a shame that a nation with the resources that we have can't figure out how to use and mobilizes resources in a crisis like this ventilators are really concrete but the principles at were articulating apply to any I think indivisible resource that's in short supply so let's imagine we have a vaccine for Cova nineteen. There's still a question of who gets the vaccine so we have rationing problem yet again. We need to think carefully about who is going to get it and how it's going to be allocated. Oh I'm Steven. That was freakonomics radio. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week. In the meantime take care of yourself and someone else to if you can Home Mortgage rates have dropped twenty five percent the lowest mortgage rates in years. 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Remote Teaching is harder for some college classes than others will hear about what it means for broadcasting students. The Corona virus has changed. What's allowed when someone dies? Funerals are scaled down and in some cases services postponed happen made policies and he will admit implemented has been made on behalf of those living for their safety being out in the farm. Fields might seem like one of the best ways to do. Social distancing by the current situation is creating challenges for those in agriculture will hear from one farmer and a renowned singer. Songwriter from Illinois has died from Kobe. Nineteen full of back on the life and career of John. Pine than in more coming up unsleeping. Why have thousands of aspiring authors teamed up with Christian Faith Publishing to publish their book because Christian Faith is an author friendly publisher? Who understands your labor is more than just a book. 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Who has another job funeral director? Both positions are being impacted by the Toronto virus also hear from Governor. Gb Pritzker as he leads the state during the pandemic first up this week. We remember the folk artist. John Prime whose lyrics were startling in their empathy and their beauty he was born in Maywood Illinois and discovered Chicago's folk music scene. Back in nineteen seventy. He died this month. At the age of seventy three Kerry shepherd looks back at the career of one of America's great songwriters and October. Nineteen seventy the late great critic. Roger Ebert wrote this in the Chicago Sun Times. He sings rather quietly and his guitar. Work is good but he doesn't show off. He starts slow but after a song or to even the drunks in the room begin to listen to his lyrics and then he has you on the morphine crash. Rams Brian it seems only fitting that a writer of everts. Eloquent inegalitarian style would be drawn into John Price lyrics when prime was singing at the club. V Peg in one thousand nine hundred seventy prien group in the western suburbs of Maywood Melrose Park. When Ebert SOM- prime was performing songs? He had written while working route as a mailman in the suburbs prime told. Wbz's sound opinions in two thousand eighteen. It was a great job for songwriter. Time on your heads to think about the it was the perfect You need to be doing something else. When I'm writing Ed. Holstein was on the folk scene with prime back then Holstein as a musician and songwriter. Who Teaches at Chicago's Old Town? School of folk music. He says prime knew how to play. The audience. Tell stories make connections tap into his blue collar roots? The plumber We TALK IN MUSIC SO K. But it's how you go Chan Prime I told dad he said Yeah. I know the people pest control people like me to artists Harry Waller came to Chicago. Nineteen seventy four and hung out with prying in the music clubs along. Lincoln Avenue Waller says with Prime. There was no pretense was likes his music. I mean he was really. That was John Prior he was bad guy. These onstage waller performed with prien on a grammy winning tribute album to folk legend Steve Goodman Prime Solo. Work won two grammys and he was one of this year's lifetime achievement honorees waller remembers prien as an upbeat guy whose lyrics could be goofy. Something Prime talked about unsound opinions in two thousand eighteen. I really try and avoid in my lyrics being super super serious. 'cause I'm writing about things that are heavy to me. I wouldn't ever say there every day. Somebody goes that's only running. She thanks across. The relates is burning. Down knows that money. She gets along like the Easter Bunny. She's my baby but it was the darkness. In real -ness of primes lyrics. That resonate was so many start a magazine back taxes. Gula somewhere editor. Here's then U s poet laureate Ted cusack introducing pine at the Library of Congress in two thousand five John Price first album on L. P. Thirty three when it was released played it as soon as I got home and knew at once the here was a truly original writer. Unequaled and a genuine poet of the American people has lived with wife. Funeral Waylon Prime Nashville for many years. That's where he died from complications due to cove in nineteen according to his family that get to heaven. God's hand for more blessings than one man can stand then get to our and started to roll band John Three Years Old Carey Shepherd. Wbz News a minimum together. Bang back smoke a cigarette man Illinois. College professors are now teaching students on mine but that transition from in person to digital learning is more challenging for some classes than for others Lee gains with Illinois. Newsroom brings us this report students at the University of Illinois produce a weekly live. Tv show called. Good morning ally Ni- or GM for short. It's kind of like a student version of the today. Show good morning and welcome to show. I'm patch and I'm back. Patrick how are you doing this? Lovely Friday morning. I students work on the show all week. They have a studio and students take turns hosting that changed. In mid March the University of Illinois and many other colleges across the country suspended in person instruction to contain the spread of couvert nineteen classes moved online students working on Good Morning Align. I made one last show before spring break mostly about corona virus. Today is going to be the last episode of this season. Unfortunately this students signed off at the end of the video as a group on camera. Some wiped tears from their eyes Kenya Williams. Junior was among them. Thought like wow finally being part of GMI like Pharaon. Now is being snatched away from me. Because of this virus Professor Kennedy supervises the production of good morning align I and he was devastated to. I didn't see a potential of how do I teach a live studio broadcasts? Class in an online format birdies classes are based in the TV studio on campus guests. Come into the studio and students operate the cameras early says the focus is on hands on learning but the pandemic made that impossible early found inspiration online and this Video popped up on my feet at some point that said Talion when they were ten days into their quarantine and it's just people telling their stories to themselves and I was like you know maybe I can do something with that. So Ernie built a website and asked his students to film video diaries or blogs while sheltering in place that's what Kenya Williams the U. OF I. Junior is doing now from her apartment in Champaign so first thing I don't have a computer and as we all know you see the all have and other people who is well. We have to take online classes Williams's from Chicago. But she's currently living and working in Champaign. She doesn't have a way to edit and post videos online so williamson herblock to Connor Seco. He's also junior at the university and a producer on the good morning align I show. We are in such an incredibly unique situation. Good Morning Line. I is so rooted in being being on the ground covering the campus. And just being in that studio we have had to completely rework. This FICO is also making his own blocks from his parents house in Western springs a suburb of Chicago. He hopes that at the end of the semester there will be a lot of videos on the website showcasing. His aunt his peers talents under challenging circumstances that we can look back on and we can track the progression of the pandemic and say we covered that we physically there for that but we were still on top of that early. The professor says he's told his students how important it is to document their own stories during this historic time. He gets a little choked up when he talks about it. Nothing but step up to that and present content. That does everything I asked him to do. And more and that's pretty amazing early. Thinks this experience will ultimately help. His students get jobs and news media but he also can't wait to see them again. I'm Lee Gaines Illinois. Newsroom for over forty straight days now governor. Gb PRITZKER is given the state of daily update on Cova Nineteen. The first term Democratic governor is trying to beat a life and death crisis for which. There's no playbook pritzker talked with. Wbz reporter Dave mckinney about how he's managing the crisis and it's emotional toll and even how tiger king is helping him get through it for all the ways. The pandemic is up ended almost every aspect of life in Illinois. It's this alarmingly simple question. The Governor Jay Pritzker. Now has a hard time answering. What Day is it? You know there's no end of the day really just kind of one melds into another. I literally I. I don't know what day it is unless I look at my phone and I see what day of the week. It is Illinois's cove. Nineteen nerve center is in Pritzker Fifteenth Floor Office Suite and the James R Thompson Center in downtown Chicago and for the governor and a handful of senior aides. The days there start early and late most of them twelve to sixteen hours long. Pritzker spends his day talking with his staff and with other governors a couple of days a week. He's on the phone with the White House. It's been like this for thirty nine straight days through an election on weekends even on Easter Sunday. From pretty much the moment I wake up and I look at my inbox and read the newspaper to the moment after. I watch the news at night when after I get home you know. I'm thinking nonstop about this in. It's hard you'll ask if you ask staff they'll tell you the same thing that downtown. Corona virus nerve center is where Pritzker made the decision to close schools bars and restaurants and where he issued Illinois. Stay at home order nearly a month ago. It's where he's been scrambling to find protective gear for healthcare workers and scrambling to get a state computer system in so that hundreds of thousands of people out of work can get unemployment benefits crises. Bring out the best and the worst in public office holders and this very much could be pritzker defining moment so I wondered how he's been weighing all these tough decisions and how he's coping with the crisis we all get the sense of mission here and we know that like every minute every hour. You know that we're at this. We have the potential to save people's lives. Frankly that's a motivator like none other but every day at twelve thirty comes the meeting. He describes as the most depressing part of the day. That's when Pritzker. Gets the death tally from the previous twenty four hours from the? State's public health director people not data points. I mean it's a terrible thing You know normally in politics and in government you know you're dealing with budgets and you're dealing with You know families and and you know the numbers are important but not every number is something to do with the potential for fatality But this meeting that we have every day is really focused on on that the emotional grind has been real. I asked Pritzker about the most memorable moment of the pandemic he paused and then talked about these five straight days in early April. Five days where it looked like things weren't as bad as people thought and then The six day came and we had a big increase of deaths and a big increase of cases. And that was the day where that we reported seventy three deaths And I have to say I just took a little bit of wind out of me And so I. I hate to say that that's the most memorable day but at least right at this moment. That's what I would say. The Governor says he's personally reached out to about a dozen families of first responders and healthcare workers who have died from cove nineteen. He wishes he could talk with all of the victims families. But there isn't time in the day it's not something you can prepare yourself for When you become governor to have to make condolence calls to people who don't know you But who would value hearing from the governor about about their lost family members when I asked Pritzker what is made him angriest during the pandemic. There's no hesitation. It's his dealings with the White House. And what he sees as it's repeated failures to deliver more testing capacity to Illinois criticism. Like that has caught trump's attention last week. The president called out Pritzker for seeming to be happy with the White House response in private but deeply critical in public to hear Pritzker side. His one direct person to person call with trump was pure frustration on the phone with him. I am respectful of the Office of the president. But I'm also very direct about what we need and what I hope for and what I expect in that. Mid-march PHONE CALL. Pritzker city urged trump to invoke a federal law compelling manufacturers like automakers to begin producing more ventilators and personal protective equipment. So that states wouldn't be in bidding wars against one. Another pritzker said trump ignored. The idea then asked what Illinois needed. The governor rattled off more and ninety five masks goggles alike and trump promised to help and then an hour later. I got a call from one of his advisors who said I talked to president trump. And we're GONNA help you. He said we're going to do it. In trump time and he said those words a couple a few times during the conversation been trump time and then he said we're going to deliver three hundred thousand n ninety five masks and three hundred ventilators and we'll get it to you in trump John so I thought. Wow that's fantastic you know. He's not not regular time. Trump pritzker says one day past then another then another when the shipment finally arrived Pritzker says the State got its ventilators but got three hundred thousand of the wrong kind of masks. I asked the governor for his definition of trump time. Well now I think it means never or very late and not what was promised. Pritzker lavishes praise on federal agencies. That have come to Illinois assistance like the US Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA pritzker greats trump harshly for his handling of the pandemic. He says the president gets a D. from him but the Democratic governor declined to give himself a grade. Saying that's hard to do when people are dying at the end of his days when he's at home and Chicago's Gold Coast Pritzker says the cove nineteen calls keep coming and there's only a short time to clear his head even to laugh at the very end of the day. What I'm just about to go to bed I flip on something like Tiger King and And I've managed to actually watch all of the episodes of Tiger King or at least fall asleep during every one of them. That's how I take my mind off of it. But the effects of focusing on Joe Exotic and Carol Baskin. The protagonists of the popular net flicks series are momentary. The pressure of the day is just too great. It's very hard to turn the sauce. This is not this is not. This is not normal and for Pritzker and the people of Illinois huddling in their homes. Normalcy won't return until Cova nineteen stops killing. This is Dave mckinney up next. Republican lawmaker joins us more of statewide travelers. Do you want to save money on your next flight? 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I wanted to find out what you're hearing from constituents during this period because I know a lot of people are out of work. A lot of people are concerned about the future. What are they telling you about? Well number one. Sean is Unemployment issues and Those individuals they contact the office. We were just inundated probably Ten days ago With people that were calling because they could not get on the system they did get registered and they made a mistake they were kicked out and they had promised they couldn't get a phone calls returns they couldn't get Back on the system had questions and we really why we feel that a lot of questions early on but essential what his essential business wise. And how do we interpret that? It's predominantly been the unemployment side of things Governor Printz during has been criticized by some Republicans over this that his administration was not prepared to handle that influx. That many people were not able to file for unemployment. I wanted to get your thoughts overall on the job. You think the governor is doing during this pandemic he is holding those daily briefings of course trying to communicate with the public. We're going to be think he's doing well. I think the governor's doing about as good as job as anyone can do. How do you prepare yourself? for something like this. I don't know I do know that there's always room for improvement and I would hope one thing occurs after we get back to some sense of normal That there is what's referred to as a review process to look at where things were Were were strengths. Were were weaknesses. Were and how do we better prepare for the future When you look at Unemployment claims that somewhere around five hundred thousand That occurred between statewide March twenty eighth. Let's say to about April. The fifth crashes a system now granted that system was antiquated Need to be improved But that was kind of a perfect storm if you will and so I think try navigate through the communication has been good has been improved but I think that the governor's doing the best he can Personally called me not too long after I had a meeting with restaurant. Owners and bar owners And we discussed some things So it's It's one of those things that I think. The governor is doing the best he can. And we've communicated with him and And his staff in different ways And have offered advice in different areas when you talked about getting back to normal it seems like it's GonNa be a long time before that happens. It's been weeks since the legislature actually got together and Matt. Normally you would be entering the stretch run of the spring session right now. What have you heard about actually reconvening to date I have only heard that the discussion continues about being ready to go back on. What would have been Easter break? We know that for the most part now. Easter break is over with There is Been DISCUSSION THAT. Maybe it would be something that we would have a Session that would focus on nothing but immediate emergency budget related issues And then adjourn that timeframe in which I was hearing things weeks ago. obviously Like the sand and the hourglasses is run has run out and so I looked to get new information And I know that The speaker has talked about developing these working groups But certainly like to get back in address the budget issues that we have and are going to have and that are just pressing and are going to take Not only a lot of time but are going to be extremely complicated and this is a state. That's already had fiscal problems going back for many years. Now we have a large backlog of bills that still trying to you know. Pay That down as well. Now you have this on top of it. Where do you even start in trying to put a budget together? Well I think that you go back to What was some of the? Most turbulent time In in the last couple years wanted to stay didn't have a budget and operated To the best of our ability without a budget impasse period of time. What can we learn from that? One of the things that came out of that was by rank and file members pushing for at least a six month budget a bridge budget. If you will I think that lesson from that is something could be applied in this situation. You know to think that Illinois was just beginning to I think bounce back in a lot of ways at anyone told you this scenario was going to unfold. Obviously you wouldn't believe so a six month budget. Do you believe it would allow for the state to have a better picture of where revenues are where other expenditures are later in the fiscal year. And you can make adjustments at that time yes. I don't know how you plan much further out than increments time increments at a time now. Obviously I don't know exactly without doing research. What can we do statutorily and that respect and what has to change statutorily But to think that we can plan for an entire year with the unknown variables of revenue. Obviously the spending side. And then you put the equation of the economy and unemployment In the state that is not a very good recipe for trying to put together some stable budget and of course there is going to be more spending when it comes to you know areas like health. Care I guess. Nobody wants to see funding for schools reduced. In any way are there are some parts of the budget? You think should brace for cuts and I would mention higher education. That's one of the big key employers in your district. Certainly would that be something that might be on the chopping block a bit more here because of all of these problems? I don't I think you hear this quite often. Everything's on the table. I believe everything is on the table. Do I think there's other places to look for belt tightening in state government absolutely and if anything can come out of this terrible situation it might be the fact that it's going to force some priorities When it comes to spending and priorities when it comes to cuts. I don't think anyone will be immune from some type of Reduction in what their budget looks like. And I think setting our priorities public safety public education and public infrastructure Is going to be a hopefully guiding force for us when we do get back to Springfield? We're talking with republican state representative. Dan Brady of Bloomington. They mentioned at the start representative. You have another job your funeral director as well and I wanted to discuss that industry with you because it was also undergoing some changes right now for those who don't know. Can you talk about what is allowed at this time? If somebody is trying to plan a funeral well. There are guidelines that have been put out by the Department Public Health the National Funeral Directors Association and the Breakfast Association. In fact there was a a group of individuals that offered in back around March. Twenty eighth Advice to the administration to Governor Chris Christie administration on how to look at The anticipated deaths And the numbers and how to deal with those deaths Due to the virus in respect to the funerals Side of things it's changed the industry Completely first off you are in a situation now where you find yourself That the churches If a family has a church affiliation or Church family that the churches aren't open and so- churches are not church funerals more traditional type. Shows are are not occurring which you see Largely right now In Obituaries That are placed in print. Media is the fact that There would be a celebration of life for some memorial service at a future date. I'm so that has changed The the planning part of things When you then have a individual who's died from the virus Their family has to be quarantined. And so therefore. You're not sitting across the conference table Making funeral arrangements. You're doing something either by phone Or by video conference that has changed the industry providing some type of video conferencing for what maybe a brief Graveside Service or brief service at a funeral home with ten people are less Is Become something that our firm has Not only explored but as is producing what we have assigned throughout our funeral homes That indicate that direct eye contact loving words and a warm smile are as meaningful to the family as a traditional handshake or hug. And so the social distancing is practiced and the real sad Part of things is those that have the virus and succumb to the virus. Die from the virus They're doing it for the most part alone and away from their family. That has to be one of the sad things somebody passing away and the family's not able to gather celebrate their life are people putting off memorial services at least till till a later time. Are you seeing more that yes for instance From Representative Gordon Rob. Who died yesterday from my district here? Gordon's family had chosen For a burial at the burial With just their immediate family to Practiced a social distancing but are looking for a celebration of the former representatives life In in the future and that is very common among families across the State of Illinois and I would assume across the country That are making those decisions And they're making those decisions quite frankly because That's about one of the few options that remain to try and provide their safety and comfort yet honoring In in memorializing their loved one. I know it comes down to individuals in what decision they WANNA make. But what kind of guidance are you giving people when they say you know? I'm not sure what to do right now. Because of all these changes that are in place you know what what are you. What are you telling them well? Decisions have been made and Policies if you will that have been implemented has been made On behalf of those living for their safety And for their hopefully a peace of mind and forethought And I think most of the families that that I've dealt with During a difficult time of the death of a loved one Understand that and many of the families Are COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. Not Their first choice. But it's affected everything even in our area If you have a graveside service Honors taps For deceased veteran is not being done because the the guard can't come out in provide that And so there's talk of maybe doing something down the road when we get back to some sense of normal of a community service honoring all those who who perished in our area during The virus and who served their country and so those are the types of things we look forward to from the standpoint of trying to help families in the future but I think again most of the families understand even in the most difficult time of death be prepared for the fact that there will be some things that are Completely out of your control and a lot of those Relate to the planning of what you maybe wanted to do for your loved one when it comes to a funeral arrangements that you simply can't do at this point in time. Dm Brady is a republican state representative from Bloomington. He's also a funeral director and representative. 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Once upon a time it would have been inconceivable that he would work with this client via computer screen but then came the pandemic and the stay at home order though he's eighty two and so me retired. Chicago in his tried to keep up with technology so when the need came to us the telehealth platform he did. Initially that thing. That was the big topic of any session. We were having was about a pandemic but overtime. That's gradually taking a backseat. Still there but then the other issues like people's depression and anxiety mixed moods kinds of things come back to the front throughout the state. People who struggle with mental health issues have had to deal with the new normal in fact the leader of the Community Behavioral Health Association of Illinois estimates that a few weeks ago only about five to ten percent of the services were provided by phone or computer the remainder were in person since the spread of Cova Nineteen. The opposite is true. Andy Wade is with the National Alliance on Mental Illness Annoy. He says there's reason to believe video. Therapy works at a time where there's a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear in a lot of unknown in the world and it's okay to ask for help and it's okay to get how however you can get it. It's especially important. If there isn't a resource nearby. You would be surprised how useful it can be to talk to somebody on a video screen. The changes come at a rapid fire. Pace said Patrick. Phelan who leads Cinicinnati centers in northwestern Illinois? Right about the middle of March Over the weekend escalated quite a bit and by the following Monday. We were really changing the way that we do absolutely everything with center stone. A national healthcare provider that offers multiple services to five southern Illinois counties with outbreak on the pandemic and the stay at home order the array of services. In the amount of contact that we've been able to offer has been more limited protect the client as well as our staff and I think that's difficult and challenging for people who have a serious mental illness who already tend to isolate and When they're ill. This is certainly not helping. It's not always easy to switch to phone or computer communicate. Sometimes there's a way to avoid human contact our residential patients or those who must be given medications like injections or those who are in a crisis state. Many of the clients are lower income and lack available minutes on their phone. So tall health is not an option. Terry says others lack access to high-speed Internet which means that they can't use the telehealth platform that center stone offers. Katie Mitchell is Byron resident and Cinicinnati centers social worker who treats clients of all ages. She says she likes to think of Tele Therapy as an opportunity rather than a barrier especially for a lot of my kid clients and Adolescence. Clients have a different really with them where I could be on in their home and create a very safe insecure safe for them that we didn't have access in the office but she realizes what is lost in translation. Nearly what we know in our profession. Is that connection whether it's a handshake eye? Contact touch on the shoulder that really provides you know increase dopamine and we need connection as Human. I'm Marine mckinney statewide. Show DOT com. That's our website and find episodes. There we have more ahead stay with us go. My name is Sophia and my mom is one of the two hundred twenty thousand in Illinois living with Alzheimer's. I'm constantly thinking about her when I heard. Sixty percent of those diagnosed with Alzheimer's will wander at some point. I was worried. 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There's even guidance for those who rely on life support systems and for persons who use service animals and yes ready. Dot Illinois Dot Gov has great tips for seniors to even tips for pet owners. If you or someone you know has functional needs or for that matter you have yet to make your own disaster planner Kit Visit Ready Dot Illinois Dot Gov Ready Dot Illinois Dot Gov sponsored by the Illinois Emergency Management Agency a statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford. Governor Jeb. Pritzker SAYS. Summer event organizers should start thinking about cancelling that's left some to wonder about the biggest summer events the state of Illinois puts on the two state fairs every year crowds of people fled fairgrounds in Springfield into coin. Pritzker says he knows the decision has to be made. Soon he says. Contracts to be signed organizers. Need Time to prepare am also just GONNA listen to the experts and make sure that we do the right thing so that we don't spread this. Covert one thousand nine hundred and that we don't have a spike in hospitalizations and ultimately in people passing away springfields. Mayor Jim Lingfield her. Says the state should take a wait and see approach. There's certain things that you would have to cancel grandstand axe things of that nature so that will be a point in time where you'll have to kind of make a more firm decision what that would look like if it's allowed to go. Forward Link felder says springfields economy would suffer if the fear was canceled but says he understands restrictions are needed to respond to the pandemic the Illinois Department of Agriculture says it's working closely with the Illinois Department of Public Health to determine the best course forward for the twenty twenty state fairs a giant of Illinois. Agriculture has died former state representative and state director and longtime for each booster. Gordon Rob was eighty seven years. Old Shirley Schlinkert tells us more. Gordon Rob never knew a stranger. Almost everyone talked with for this story. Said those words State Representative Keith. Summer of Morton. His everyone when I think of Gory. Rap think of energetic individual ever presence smile and there's one person on laughter and his storytelling. I think everyone who ever came across. Gorny wrap always remember him for that? Rob was raised on his parents. Dairy farm normal township milked cows by hand. Starting at age six. His father bought a milking machine a few years after that. He never left agriculture even when he became state representative for fourteen years in the eighties and early nineties. Keith Summers Says Rob was one of the few farmers in the General Assembly. Those representatives sat together in the front row in the House and called it. Farmers row stay representative. Dan Brady of normal says rops. Approachable style has inflicted his own retail politics approach to government service. And think about a guy who knew everybody ahead Mitch you by the time. He was in a room He would have met you before he leaves. And and visit with you and make you feel good about yourself. He had that type of personality. Rop was known for building bridges instead of burning them. Something that could seem quaint today. According to Bill Kemp the Librarian at the Mclean County Museum of History. He would always leave the legislature the house representatives from the pledge of allegiance to begin a session. That was born in many ways in this age of hyper partisanship. We really need people like him. That could reach off. The Isle Rob lost his house seat in Nineteen ninety-two in the Republican primary to Bill Brady. Who is now Senate Minority Leader? It was famously. Close a seven vote margin after a laborious. Three-month recount fight. His House. Service was not even rops I act. He was State Agriculture Director from one thousand nine hundred seventy thousand nine hundred seventy four under then governor Richard. Ogilvie and Bill. Kemp says rob work to eradicate the disease of Hog. Cholera led the charge as secretary of agriculture. So the state really renew its attention and dressing Kinda. There's tremendous disease that was and still does to some extent impact talks rob also spent more than sixty years as the leader of the silver leaf. Four H. Club in Mclean County Mike. O'grady is a fellow for H. Leader and oftentimes McLean county fair. Livestock Superintendent Her What he gave back to the community and its youth his is efforts in four H. Even in his last year was so enthusiastic with the kids. I mean they. They went to him as a leader rob spent decades as a judge and and many other roles in the Fair O'Grady says rob epitomize the four H. Tradition stepped down. We just reassigned jobs so I think that's a true statement. Even as rock became sick he remained. Involved Don Meyer is a retired. Mclean county extension director and longtime for H. Fair leader. Always there when you call on recording to help. He was there to help and I think even late last year last year at the county fair so just an amazing A bundle of energy longtime friend and former Illinois Farm Bureau official. Danny Life says rob was as dedicated to the public as anybody could be heritable auction era at virtually every organization. They belong to only started off with the milk. Usually very corny. He never told an off. Color Tilk the boy was cornball. Lifosa'S ROB was nominated for an honor in the Scottish rite masonic order and asked life to do the introduction at the presentation and then rob forgot to come to the meeting. Life said rob was more about the work on the awards representative Dan Brady says. Robbed never put on airs or considered himself above anyone else personal income. Anthony was passionate about everything because Yeah Brady says he learned quite a bit from Gordon. Rob that if you treat people the way you want them to treat you it will take you a long way in government. Brady says rob simply loved people and all else flows from that. I'm Charlie blinker. The new corona virus pandemic has impacted nearly every sector of Illinois Economy. In the state's farms large and small have begun to feel the pinch themselves producers worked to put food on grocery store shelves. Those same people have had to change aspects of the way they conduct day to day activities. Our reporters Sam Dunk Law talked with Krista Swanson she farms with her family in Knox County. She's also a see dealer and Researches Agricultural Economics and policy at the University of Illinois. She offered a few insights on what it's like to be farming during a pandemic KRISTA. Were just about to get into the spring planting season. Spring is now of course upon us. So how has that activity been affected by your big virus pandemic? Yeah this isn't only a critical time across the nation but it's also a really critical time of year on our farms because we are right at the beginning of planting season here in Illinois and that means that there's a lot happening on the farms we have to Have to do more interacting than normal I guess to get the input that we need for example seed and fertilizer or Maybe finishing your taxes. There's a lot of things that are happening right now and over the past month Since you know the effects of the virus have come into play on how we do things and so we're having to figure out how to change those interactions Like for example In addition to farming we are also a feed supplier of of agricultural seed like corn and soybean seed to other farmers as well and so one thing that has changed. Is You know agribusinesses like the seat company that we work with have waived you normally when we deliver the seed. We would need to get a signature from the farmer who's getting that seat and and that requirements been waived for this year. So I think that there's been some simple changes like that. That have just changed the way that some of these interactions normally happen And and have allowed people to be able to still meet the social distancing requirements. While still getting the things done that we need to to keep to keep our farms running and and make sure that we can make it through the planting season. You know. I'm curious. I know the weather has been going back and forth on top of the virus pandemic Have you been able to get into your fields to plan to? Have you heard from others? Have they been able to do the same Or have there been delays with this virus. Going around yeah. There's definitely been some planting that's happened. We actually Planted a little bit earlier this week and I know some other farms have as well. It's it's still a little bit early To be to be planting but Even if you're not planting yet there's still a lot of other fieldwork. That might need to be done to finish preparing your fields for planting farmers are always used to dealing with weather and this year. We have the challenge of win is. When are we going to get that optimal window You know with the weather and and what might be happening with the virus at that time You know how might over the coming couple of weeks where we're in that optimal period for planting How you know what? What impact is the virus going to have on our day to day lives and those interactions that we can have Or need to be having to to get the inputs we need to Plantar crop in your view. A Win something. Unprecedented like this comes along. Doesn't impact smaller farms more. You know does it really take a larger toll on the bigger farming operations like co-ops? Well I really think that This situation is going to cause challenges for you. Know really farms of all sizes. I mean larger farms sometimes have the benefit of economies of scale when it comes to the expense end but you know there are still subject to the price in the marketplace that You know the same. A farm selling the same product or the same agricultural. Good of any size is going to face. So I really think that this situation With the just uncertainty in the marketplace And you know. Markets always tend to have expectation for at this point in the growing season expectations for for big crops than in two thousand and twenty and so It's prices the combination of those things keeps prices at the points where they are now. It's it's GonNa Cause cashflow challenges and probably make it difficult to break. Even on farms of all sizes are you concerned about the long term impacts on this is going to do to agriculture or at this point. Is it really more about things like the weather? It's really a combination. I think when we think about what are concerned for this year On the farm. It's it's a combination of you know whether trade a lot of those things that you know that that we normally have impacting the prices that we can get for our Agricultural goods that were producing and then on top of that we also have the concerns of what is The impact of this virus going to be on our economy. I mean even if and hopefully you know oh by the beginning of the summer we see the pressures of the virus on From a health perspective reducing. Our you know becoming lower than what what they are right now but then because this is such a an unprecedented situation in in modern times. It's it's hard to predict how long How long that might continue. And what that might mean intern. Prices of agricultural goods. I think as we think about the longer term there are in my opinion. Some some potential positive There are some agricultural products that people have have flocked to like dairy products and meat products like beef and pork Those have been in in high demand in this time. And if you look back over the last several years You know demand for milk for example and in the US has has been decreasing. So is this. Is it possible that we might see a resurgence in Demand for that as the economy improves or demand for meat products You know I don't have the answer to that but you know maybe maybe in the long term this could could be A beneficial thing if we come out of this lesson for you Krista farmers I mean I think it's fair to say are used to dealing with the unpredictable but when it comes to something like this I mean is a different. Farmers are used to dealing with Unpredictable situations You know our our production is literally subject to the mercy of the environment and we had our issues and dealing with that last year in two thousand nineteen and you know the the depending the pandemic is a something different than what we've seen before But it's it's another another challenge that we have to learn how to react to There's there's changes that have to be made on our farms and the way we do things in the day to day on the farms. I think it's important to remember that you know. No person or industry is immune to the effects of this pandemic. And I don't just mean contracting the virus The situation is affecting every one of us in some way. Although it's impacting everyone in different ways So I think that's just really important to remember and and you know be grateful for all those two are working to ensure our needs are met whether that's from the food level or To other necessities to the healthcare workers And everything else in between it's Knox County farmer. Kristy Swanson she spoke with our reporter same dunk law as medicine to relieve the pain stress to just get through the day and I realize I can't stop I can't stop. I can't stop can't stop. We can help call one eight. Three three to find help find ways to help you or the ones you love break. The cycle of OPIOID use disorder. One eight three three to find help sponsored by cancer is the number one cause of death by disease for children in the US. Today since the Austin hatcher foundations birth in two thousand six it has grown to provide unique programs to help the children and the families affected by pediatric cancer. 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I think what we're trying to do with the you know. Collaborative effort together is to make sure that we're using similar criteria the key industries are similar The thinking is a little bit similar and that makes it a very worthwhile collaborative to have because collectively. I think we're making good decisions that's governor. Gb pritzker could be laying the groundwork therefore some moves toward reopening the economy. Planning to consult with some other Midwest governors and while he's dealing with the public health emergency is also got quite a budget mess on his hands. We'll discuss that and more coming up. I'm Shawn Crawford and this is State Week here. In Springfield panel is practicing social distancing from his home we have Charlie Wheeler. He's an emeritus professor and former director of the Public Affairs Reporting Program the University of Illinois Springfield also longtime statehouse reporter in observer joining us also from his home as the NPR Illinois reporter. Sam Dunk Law and our guests this week from Chicago we have. Wbz's government and politics. Reporter Dave mckinney. And Dave. Thanks for being with US once again. Sean great to see you. Well let me move onto Charlie. I because this is right up your alley jelly. We always like to talk about the state budget and we have plenty to talk about here last week on this program. We discussed some projections that were put forth by the University of Illinois Institute for Government and Public Affairs. Will this week. The governor came out with projections from his budget office. And as you heard at the start of the show. They're estimating about a two point seven billion dollar reduction in revenue for the current fiscal year. And things get even worse from there. Going going forward into twenty twenty one charlie your takeaway on what the governor had to say this week. Well I think that there was nothing very encouraging about it and kind of ironically. The government. Office the Governor's Office of Management and budget released this revision to its revenue estimates. That were made at the time of the budget presentation by the governor. Roughly two months ago They released him on April Fifteenth. Which normally would have been the day income taxes were do but of course as we know. The governor postponed that for ninety days and so part of the calculations that the Gumby did shows that income taxes are going to go down roughly a little bit more than one point six billion dollars in the current fiscal year which ends June thirtieth sales taxes are GONNA go down seven hundred thirty seven million from the projections. They may just two months ago. lottery is going to be down. The casino gaming is going to be down the only increase that they're counting on is in terms of federal dollars because the feds have already Provided some money to the state to help with covert costs and the bottom line is that there is going to be a huge drop off as was mentioned earlier and for next year is the projections. Are I guess you could say even worse They revise the Income Tax Protection. Down Two. And a half billion from what the projection was two months ago? And that's even factoring in roughly a billion dollars of money. That should have been paid this year but won't come due into the first month. July of the next school year fiscal. Twenty twenty one. They figure sales taxes. They're going to be down. Roughly a billion six Everything else is is going to be done for a total of roughly four point six billion dollars and if you realize that. These numbers are predicated on the assumption that we're going to That voters will ratify the constitutional amendment allowing graduated income tax and the rates are set in law. Should that occur if we do not get the voter approval? Then the Deficit the shortfall for fiscal twenty. One would be in the neighborhood of seven and a half billion dollars. What are the things that was in the The report aside from the numbers that I've found was kinda disheartening They're talking about no year after year. Growth until the final quarter of fiscal year. Twenty twenty one. Well the final quarter for fiscal year. Twenty twenty one is GonNa be late spring early summer of next year so they're assuming that things are going to be pretty bad for a while. Seem the governor has been talking for a long time about Sorta pinning his hopes on getting this graduated. Income tax. Approve this fall and feels as that's the way to get the state on some better financial footing even more so now. He's made. He made a push this week when he discussed these budget numbers I mean really. He's he doesn't have a whole lot of other options no unfortunately not And of course. The governor was elected on that particular precedent that he would come to Springfield and that he would work with lawmakers to get a graduated income. Tax Measure on the ballot and November. Isn't too far away. The the shall we say the pinnacle of of what efforts that Pritzker his administration and his allies have been trying to do our surmount to come to a head with with a projected. Seven point four billion dollar hole in the budget if the graduated income tax does not pass now granted still behold one way or the other it would be difficult to crawl out of that without a so they reason but you know Sean. Expect the opponents of the tax to continue beating the drum that this is not a good idea for Illinois. And it's hard to know whether or not there will be a protracted battle against the graduated income tax as the cove in nineteen pandemic Continues on you know. It's hard to know whether it's going to go into the summer or even into the fall as we get closer to the election but one way or the other. Yeah you're right. The state appears to at least from the initial projections to not have much of an option. Dave even watching this you know as a public health emergency for the last several weeks but it does feel at least the story seems to be shifting a little bit as well into now What it's doing to the economy and whether or not the economy can rebound as Shirley mentioned. Some projections are showing that we may not see any type of growth until Basically a year from now It does it feel that way to us though. The story has shifted a little bit here. Well it is inevitable I mean you know when you when you contemplate that we in a span of one month have had hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people filing for unemployment insurance that gives you an idea right there what the immediate hit is on a state income taxes and then if you drive around the various towns in the state you know in Springfield White Oak smaller here in Chicago. Water Tower place or or out in Schamberg and suburbs Woodfield Mall. All these places have been dark now for for the better part beyond a month and those places are like cash registers for the state and for the local municipalities that rely on on the sales taxes. Having those all be dark Of course it's GonNa have an effect and it's GonNa be profound and and it's just very difficult to kind of contemplate how deep we go. Where the four of all of this is and whether we've come close to hitting it or not see him. Speaking of unemployment you covered this week. some of the latest numbers. In does it seem as though I am sure. There has been a lag. I guess you would say if people who have tried to file earlier we're having issues you know being able to do so with the state system. Does it seem as though we have hit that floor for unemployment yet or do we know? I don't think we know yet sean. I mean Dave touched on it just before you turn it over to me you know. Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people have filed for unemployment spoke with the Department of Employment Security the State Agency that runs processes unemployment claims and just in the past week. One hundred and forty-one one thousand new claims filed. I mean again. This is just in the past week. The department says that they process something like six hundred fifty thousand unemployment claims in six weeks which is more than they do in a year in fact just looking at their table at the seventeen hundred percent increase year over year in terms of the number of people who have filed for unemployment as Dave mentioned. That's a hit to the sales taxes but I think one bright spot in all this is that the federal government is going to be kicking in a lot of the funding for an employment through the cares. Act a the lion's share of it so in terms of immediate hit to the state finances. It's hard to know for sure. But to say that this is not going to have a wide ranging and long lasting impact on the economy. I think would be a bit of an understatement. The spokesman or spokeswoman that I spoke to from Idaho said that this is unprecedented if you tune into the program last week. We had Ken Chris from the Institute of Government and Public Affairs. Who had said you know largely how this is going to shape up and whether or not Illinois recovers well from this is going to largely depend on the sort of recovery. We have if it's you know it was going to be something short and then we're gonNA shoot right back up or is it going to be something a little bit. More long and protracted and based on the data that we continue to receive it seems to be more in the latter category and Shirley. That's where those that that number you were talking about earlier about revenue growth being so slow for the remainder of of the calendar year of twenty twenty and well into the early part of twenty twenty. One that's kind of where that's coming from. That the reopening of government will be a reopening of the economy. Should say will be slow. Yeah you you look at the Agreement that governor Pritzker reached with the Governor of Indiana Kentucky Michigan Minnesota Ohio and Wisconsin and a couple of those people are Republicans They agreed that they would reopen the economy. The economy's in a way that prioritizes workers health it would be fact based data driven And the idea is to protect families from the spread so they they kicked off some things that they wanna see that their healthcare capacity was sufficient words enough intensive care unit beds enough ventilators and so on to handle a resurgence. Which is a real possibility if you open too soon A greater ability to test and trace people who are infected. Because that's one of the problems you could be infected. You could be spreading the disease Without even knowing how feeling it and you could be infecting many many people. If we open things up and say you can go about your business like normal. Go to the restaurant you know. Go to the Lake Front Just do normal things And you could be spreading it so we have to be able to test people and we have to be able to trace their contracts if I turned positive. Well who did you talk to? Where did you go? What did you do those kinds of things? And there has to be The Best Practices for social distancing in workplaces. Some kind of injuries you. You can imagine a farmer out planting in his field social business. Distancing is not a big problem but from some manufacturing operations where people work virtually side by side or in meat processing for example. That's another a place. Where the very hard to do social distancing. Dave let me go to you because I think that this has got to be a tough decision for the governor. You had a chance to have a conversation with him One on one earlier this week. the governor has got to make a decision whether to keep a stay at home order in place where the start to allow certain segments of the economy to reopen Knowing that you know we may see more cases if that does happen. That's got to be something on his mind. Well Yeah I think it clearly is. I mean. He's not really shown his hand yet. But I I think all indications point to an extension of of the stay at home order beyond its April thirtieth expiration. You know I want to pick up something just very quickly here. What Charlie was saying this with these other states I mean you know Illinois The border states of Iowa and Missouri declined to participate in this and and the all of the all of the Sort of goals that that were laid out in this multi-state compact about reopening are so benign. There basically what what you know any rational person or any rational business person would think ought to be the way to to go and public health. People would think ought to be the way to go but yet governors in Iowa where there is not a stay at home order in place and in Missouri where they only put one in place within the last week and a half or so chose not to participate. And you just have to kind of wonder you know the the folks in Illinois from you know from the Metro East area to quincy to the quad cities to Galena. It's like they're all sort of in this You know line here where they're dealing just on the other side of the river. These states that have far different standards in place for protecting people. And you know. I think that that's a genuine issue. But as far as pritzker making The decision here. He's been very very resistant to to pointing too far off into the future. It seems like this is more of a you know week to week thing and within those states. I mean already you know. We've seen in Wisconsin governor. There Tony Ever says has moved their stay at home. Order deep intimate may late. May and in Ohio Governor Dewine said that that come may I that they're going to start the very beginning of of doing some sort of reopening their certain businesses. So you know I think. Pritzker has a lot to way here in how we're going to proceed. But he made clear he's made clear consistently that that he's going to do what he thinks. Best Serves Illinois in moving forward and I think the fact that on Thursday they announced the number of deaths reported was one hundred twenty-five which I believe is the largest single day mortality rate since we've entered this phase For bringing us to grandchildren. One thousand seventy two and the fact that the death jump so high on a single day indicates to me that the governor is is virtually certain to extend the stay at home order because the hope had been that if we could keep the increase in the number of deaths down increase number of Cases down all the while that we expanded our testing that would be an indication that we started to start on the downward trajectory of of the curve And I think the jump in cases the number of mortality the number of deaths that were reported on Thursday would kind of success. No we're not there yet. I think Mayor Lightfoot said that we were long way to go before we get there. Same let me go to you. Because you've covered the governor on Thursday when those numbers were announced. Did you get the same feeling that the governor is leaning toward continuing the stay at home order? Yeah I would. I would make this prediction three for three as Charlie and David mentioned. It's pretty much all but certain that the governor will likely Extend the stay at home and to make sense. I think the question has been asked a lot over the last couple of days. I mean even weeks. Are we hitting the peak? Are we flattening the curve and on some days we've heard data that suggests that maybe we are starting to flatten that curve in terms of the number of new cases. But then you get days like yesterday as we were taping the show on Thursday that you get a pretty large surge in the number of people who have died from this and in fact. I'm just looking at my notes here last week on this program at this time. Five hundred twenty eight people had died from Colbert. Nineteen and now we're at one thousand seventy two. That's I mean that's that's more than doubled So we I don't think that we're there. I think any reasonable person would come to that conclusion. And as David mentioned with the multi-state Compact that the Illinois has entered into you know giving governor Pritzker will make a decision that is appropriate for Illinois. Is he said that he's going to do but he's also going to be taking his cues from other. Midwestern states in terms of what they're going to be doing and extending their stay at home order. So yeah I would. I would almost count on. There should be some sort of extension in the near future. David mentioned a few moments ago. That you had a chance to speak one on one with the governor and it was interesting some of the things he had to say but especially when it came down to how this pandemic and trying to lead the state through this how this is impacting him on an emotional level and personally can you talk about that as well. Yeah I mean you know. It's sort of a strange dynamic here because we we've had you know it's right around forty straight days that the PRITZKER has come before cameras every day at two thirty in the afternoon giving these these sort of grim death toll figures and talking about what the State's doing to address cove in nineteen and so you know his accessibility is. He's all over the place you know. We're seeing him constantly and what you know what what I really kind of set out to do in talking to him was just a sort of bore down a little bit kind of into how some of this decision making is is happening and where it's happening and who's listening to and how how it gets his mind off of all this stuff and you know. I didn't WanNa make a story about him specifically but you know I can't really think in my lifetime of Charlie you know you see you know better than all of us but like you know in terms of the the dynamics of this crisis. I can't really think of another governor in my lifetime in Illinois that has had hand Delta Him. It hasn't happened. I mean you have to go back century I suppose to the last big pandemic and so what what that interview yielded was just sort of a look at how you know how on certain occasions he is reaching out some of the families of of Healthcare providers and first responders who died. And he talks about that being the most anguish filled Moment of his job. Really where he you know it's something. He doesn't relish. He actually just it just it. It's very difficult as you can imagine to to deal with that and you know talks about You know the the The the difficulty in getting your mind off of Off of this I mean how know every day the you know the the the big part of the day really is a meeting that happens shortly before their briefing where they go over the numbers. And you know it's like these are these are data points to us and get presented to us that way but they're human beings and I think you know he talked about how Before this big jump that we just talked about with that hundred and twenty five Fatalities on Thursday he. He talked about how they had a period of time in early April where it seemed like for three or four or five days in a row like they were having you know some success and keeping things stable in terms of hospitalizations and such and then they get socked with with a day. Where it just you know went up into the mid seventies and he's like that took my took my breath away. You know the interview also talked a little bit went into greater detail. I think he did about The interactions with the White House which he followed that. There's just seems to be like just the White. House's reaction has been volatile and unpredictable and and dealing with all of this and you know Pritzker Talked about his frustrations in dealing with the president himself over this issue of getting more testing capacity and help them the federal government for Illinois and then he talked about a you know a back and forth ahead with the White House aide about getting You know a shipment of these highly prized n ninety five masks which are sort of the gold standard for healthcare providers and I first responders and you know he was promised to get help from trump himself to get these things to Illinois and and After that conversation this this adviser to the President Calls Pritzker up and says hey we're GonNa get this to you and trump time and that's kind of the first. I had heard that phrase being mentioned trump time and and You know prescrip- initial thinking was. Oh Man we've got somebody's attention here. This is going to. We're going to get these things in a hurry. And then you know four or five days pass and then they finally get the shipment and it's not at all what they promised they'd get some ventilators as promised but the masks were completely different and of a lesser quality and called back in civil what. Why get the wrong shipment? And and he never got a response and so I asked him. What trump time mean to you? And he's like well it means you know not what you promised or not getting something at all and so it was just really kind of a you know a you know kind of a behind the curtain. Look at how how these days are for him. Twelve to sixteen hour days working forty straight days in his staff. Bunkered up the Thompson Center and it. It's it's something where Nobody planned for this but but there they've got a unit. That's just twenty four seven. They're pretty much Time gets away from US on the show. I do want to go back to you Dave on another topic. That did come up this week. You and Tony. Arnold had been reporting on this for months but this week you reported on a settlement between families who had loved ones who died of legionnaires disease at the Quincy Veterans Home. They had sued the states Philipson on what What that settlements about well I mean these. These are folks who In all but one case out of the dozen lawsuits against the state who died in twenty two thousand fifteen outbreak the Illinois veterans home in Quincy and and there was another fatality that was involved in these lawsuits from twenty seventeen. And these guys. had filed their lawsuits and their families had and they just sort of languished. And then you know in late twenty seventeen and for pretty much the duration of twenty eighteen. Tony and I were involved in a big open records battle with Ron or administration. That you know showed kind of it really peel back the layers of the state's mishandling of that crisis and a lot of ways by not telling families about what had gone wrong and about You know doing things with the water system there that that that expose some of the residents to to the hazardous bacteria and so these lawsuits have been kind of sitting there and They they became an issue in the campaign. In two thousand eighteen that led to victory and and then they wound up in the lap of attorney. General Kwami Raoul and The State had During the midst of all of this in two thousand eighteen the state legislature Enacted a say an active because they overrode mandatory veto around her. They lifted the court of claims caps from one hundred thousand dollars to two dollars and what that means is the court of claims is kind of a quasi-judicial venue that these folks all had to file their lawsuits. And they didn't go into the circuit. Court is is usually the case but ed to go there because that's where disputes for the state or settled and Mo- many of these families had thought that they might be in line for two million dollars apiece as a result of everything that came out of it but the settlements wound up being far less than that and they range from about seventy five thousand dollars to seven hundred. Seventy five thousand per family and I think the sum total for the state As a result of all of this is about six point four million dollars. So you know it's a you know a lot of the families. We talked to In the course of this didn't want to react. They're concerned about speaking out now. My jeopardize all of this but we did talk to one family member. Who told us that she just feels a level of closure and relief to have this finally passed and there there was an acknowledgement At least from the state that there were some mistakes made I mean. It wasn't an outright admission of liability but the attorney general offered his condolences offered a put a plaque up in the home That's being built there now to replace the old one naming all of these veterans and so these families I think do. Have you know some sense of relief that this has come to a close so that that's you know for them that that's a good thing? Just a few seconds left here day but The money is is on hold at this moment right they. They don't have that money yet. No because that has to be built into the fiscal twenty-one budget that we talked about at the top of the show here that the one that's going to be lacking a lot of money. I mean it's usually kind of Pro Forma kind of thing that once these these awards of the Court of claims get settled upon they get built into a budget and then the checks get cut but they're waiting very much for the legislature to come into session and the government to make a new budget for next year and then then they should get paid. Let's go to our notes from the field. Charlie let's go to you well Illinois Was number one in the nation in kind of a unenviable position. According to a report that came out a little bit ago for the second consecutive year we had the highest number of criminal exonerations of any state. Those are people who were wrongfully convicted. Sent to prison When they were innocent thirty men were exonerated here in two thousand nineteen twice as many as in any other state according to The National Registry of exonerations which keeps tabs on this stuff Pennsylvania and Texas were tied for second with fifteen each now one of the reasons according to this report that Illinois far outpaced the rest of the nation in Toronto convictions and thus exonerations was because of certain corrupt police officers in the city of Chicago. Who would shakedown people in low income neighborhoods for kickbacks and if people refuse to pay him the kickbacks or protection money they plant drugs on them and chose them with drug offenses and people would be sent to prison. Sam While Sean Governor Jay Pritzker has walked with penguins in a new public service announcement he appeared alongside. Wellington the penguin from shedd aquarium and some other marine animals reminding Illinois is about some of the cove in nineteen basics which is to stay six feet apart to wash your hands for twenty seconds and things like that. I have to go watch that and then Dave well I'd say let's stay on the animal theme here You know she wasn't a shed aquarium. But when I did that interview with Pritzker we were talking a little bit about how at the very very end of the day when he's at home He gets his mind off the whole pandemic by flipping on Netflix Series. tiger king and Focusing in on Joe Exotic and So he's like the rest of us. I think we're all binge watching these programs to sort of stay saying although that that's raise my wife and I just watched it and it's just it's unbelievable. That is our time for this edition of State Week. Our panel included early Wheeler Sam dunk law and Dave mckinney of WBZ. 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Another channel called enter cast and a few months ago interview with Richard Gauge of architects and engineers. For Nine Eleven truth where we talked about nine eleven truth and basically just physics and it was just taken down and removed from Youtube because of hate speech so I guess physics is now hate speech but I think what they really mean is they hate it when we talk about the truth about the cabal and what really happened on nine eleven. So in any case I had already recorded interview which I think is really important to get out there it's with Leila who's the Shaman an archipelago and I wanted to get this out before anarchy poco which is coming up this week and our channel forecast has a strike Which means we can't upload anything for the next week so I'm just GonNa put it here if you're interested in psychedelics of any sort of issues addiction. I just saw Jordan Peterson. His in major problems. He of course was given a bunch of drugs by his drug dealers called doctors which are incredibly dangerous. And you really can't get off the missile part of the pharmaceutical industrial scam so he couldn't get off them of course Without trying to kill himself. Which is what happens with a lot of these things. And so he went back to the drug dealers in socialist Canada and they almost killed them not surprising and actually had to flee to Russia to get some help But we actually talk about some of the stuff in this episode especially Boga how it treats addictions so if you have any sort of addiction problems or anything like that depression. A lot of these belts can really help with that normally wouldn't be on the digital channel but as I just said we're getting wiped pretty quickly off Youtube if we have the old interview with Richard Gauge of architects engineers. And we're going to put down below. It might be on library or did shoot and that's a big reason why we're on those platforms because we don't think we're GONNA be on Youtube much longer. Looks like my other channels getting shut down right now. This will probably soon get shut down. Hobby you can actually see Richard Gage at the upcoming Naruko. He's GONNA BE SPEAKING. Actually have a livestream would watch all the speakers you can go to dollar dot com slash twenty twenty livestream and leave it there so Very interesting interview with one of the most interesting Shamans. One of the top Shamans in Mexico took Algebra Mexico. This is our cast everybody. Welcome to enter cash home for Andrew on the Internet. We're going to get psychedelic today. I've got on a you can call a old friend of mine. We had a very interesting experience when I met him. His name's Leila he's actually been doing. He's the Shaman at an Arca Boko. He's been doing numerous things including Iowa Ska for numerous years. I don't even know remember. How many years now? I'M GONNA ask him about that actually. Five years yeah. It's fan spent crazy and I actually met. Leila for the first time where he's coming in from right now which is in Tebow's lamb in Mexico just right near Mexico City and I actually went there to Boga which is crazy. It's the craziest thing I've ever done. I don't know if I could ever do it again. There was that hard although I do have some experiences that might talk about with it that the reason I think it was so hard for me is because I was really messed up and I was really I was living in my mind almost completely and it was really hard to lose control of it for basically two straight days which is what it was with a bogus. It's absolutely insane but afterwards For numerous months because I was depressed beforehand. I wasn't depressed anymore. All of a sudden it was just like the switch went off and all of a sudden I noticed how beautiful everything was where I lived and all of a sudden I I was just really good and it gave me enough time to start working on my cell fever more which I've been doing now for years and years now so in the end like I wouldn't take back during the Boga but man that was hard and Leila's got so many amazing stories about stuff like what wherever you WANNA com psychedelics or plant medicine and he actually has a very interesting background. So I WANNA get into that as well. I know a bit about your background about being struck by lightning and that sort of thing so you just introduce yourself to the audience. Who who doesn't know you know a lot of people who've gone to an book do but many don't so just let let people know who you are kind of a harsh thing My experience with Shamanism as you said started early because of this Lightning that struck me when I was When you rolled and in I will I was born here in this area in in Mexico where the Shamans are struck by lightning? And this is the house. The community knows who is going to be a shaman. So although I am not Born as an indigenous I worked living next to an indigenous community. The indigenous community took me and taught me so because I think if I if I remember correctly like your fear family was killed by lightening. Is that right? You know all the people who were around when he died. Yeah my father and I were struck by lightning so both my dad and myself started learning shamanism and doing the big holding the responsibility for the community here and and doing a the initiation and fear. So that's how it started here with The Community Mexico and then began working also Radical community the wichita community for the ones were more with the ODI and also I went back to Columbia which is actually where my family was originally from and there I learned a lot about time the Amazon and Andy Vogue. I've been going a lot to govern. Where so when we were doing I will gain more like a treatment and After that I've been going twice a year couple and more to learn about and be around the community. That's kind of what I've been doing. The ranch wow. I wasn't aware you've been going to Africa to do that. And that's where I understand a bogus I came from. So that's very interesting and You're you're you're seemed to always be on the go. You just came back from Colombia. Believe and I think he probably just came back for an Arca POCO. You're basically going around doing these things all the time. Yes so now. What I'm mostly doing is taking people to the indigenous communities so I make Because him pilgrimage. So it's Because I think that Well you know I think we that indigenous communities in mystical communities called certain tools that can help us connect directly with some kind of knowledge or fundamental source so I'm trying to take people to these communities in organized groups so we go to Amazon. We go to the death. Third Week up to govern. And so I'm I'm kind of all on around the time. Are you still there working with Berry not anymore? Not Ready yet okay yeah. I wasn't aware of that. That was he was a there was basically his thing that I went to for the gainer originally and he's been actually been a few times so before. I want to ask you a number of things but before I get into that I just want you to kind of maybe explain to your average Westerner out there who doesn't know anything about these things and they've heard this is crazy what you're using plant medicines and you know like why. Why should a person from the west from the or that kind of a person be interested in these things? What what kind of things can they get value from this? Well I mean a lot of things and In many different ways I'd say in terms of anarchy It's a lot you know they We live like in a kind of monoculture like you know everyone is doing the same thing. And we're we're talk to think alike and you know do the owner that The and I think there's like a rational way of awakening when or when it's just too bad that it's just like really hard to not see it and it's like okay but then there's also kind of a we can call it a transformational kind of experience of awakening Or or a kind of experienced where you can connect directly to knowledge. This is called noisy. So it's like the direct connection is not when someone is telling you you know you should think you should know it's like you connect directly to strum thing to the mystery to knowledge to the truth or to source different different ways of calling it And I think this is really really essential I mean of course and Psychedelics are are one of those good tools to to do that Nowadays in in modern life and because they're very quick. You could do it through meditation. You can do it through fasting Freyer. Sometimes it happens through accidents or you break up with a partner. Sometimes it can happen through a very strong set short experience when you kind of you. Know the the This this kind of a recall everything was put in in our minds in kind of a crumbles and then you Kinda wake up when you kind of see more. It can happen in many ways But I think that's psychedelics are really really good way of doing that and of this kind of a death an ego death and then a kind of rebirth and that's very important where we're we're deconstruction is very important also to deconstruct a you know the idea that we've been taught to think and imposed and this is something that's psychedelics can do very well to construct also emotional impersonal things. Are you know addictions Addiction think ways of thinking and dines and think that are important to deconstruct and then after deconstruction. It's a lot about just inside than connecting with this Source of knowledge for me. Personally a book was one of my first sort of major ones. I started with Iowa and I did a couple times and actually got some really amazing insights from it but it wasn't what I was expecting because I've heard a lot of people saying oh when I do. I go to these other worlds. I Make Dragon's enough this kind of stuff but I was just in this dark black room for what seemed like years until finally got one small message. Which wasn't even that small was massive for me and my message was let others help you. I was so headstrong and I guess proud or I thought I had to be the strong man and I would never let anyone helped me and Iowa which they called the grandmother and after having done a number of these things. I can see why it's called that because I've also done What's the other one that called the grandfather? I've done that a couple times. No not peyote. But it's very similar. So it's like Pedro. Yeah Yeah Yeah and I could totally feel the difference and actually really liked the at the Grandfather one a lot more. Because he's a lot nicer the GRANDMAS pretty strict. And but for me. Personally what I what what it was? I think. Looking back in the This whole journey for me started about five years ago is I was just so in my mind and so in this world and could not see out of it and couldn't get out of it and that's why I was drinking a lot. I think because I had to find an escape. 'cause I was just too. I was trapped in my own mind constantly and I became worse and worse depressed and unhappy and all that kind of stuff because I couldn't get out of it and what I what I've found for me personally was the psychedelics force you to get out of it and it's like the shock therapy sort of thing that once you take whether it's a drink or some you know in a pill form the the San Pedro whatever. It is from that point on for the next few hours. You have no control over where you're GONNA go and you have to sort of like Humble yourself or kind of like allow this thing to guide you in that moment or take you on this sort of thing so after I WASPA- and Boga able gain. I've I did. Dmz with you. It was kind of like a surprise visit that you showed up at my house. I forgot I said I wanted to do it. We did it. That was great. I have to say and I want to get into a little bit about all these things. I think they're all so interesting but the DMZ for me was so nice because it's so short it's like fifteen minutes and for me on the just just do it was a five actually. Very different from the include. Okay sorry like I'm not an expert. I this stuff so please correct me whenever I say anything wrong. But that was so nice because it was like twenty minutes. 'cause I was like five hours but for me. It seemed like days and a Bogo was like two days and it seemed like two hundred years to me like I was begging it to stuff at the end and But I needed it so it was sort of like a thing I needed but all these things are kind of different. Suffer what I would say the people who are listening. If you are sorta like a Westerner who can't really get out of your own mind and you don't even know that you can't get out of your mind because you don't know what it's like to be out of your mind and that's what you kind of call like the EGO death little bit like he kind of you. Lose your your sense of this self of you who you are like. My name is Jeff. I'm a white guy from Canada. All that's gone. I'm just this sort of like soul there and I have to just get used to that so I've seen so many people and I always think like the people who need to do these things. The most are the people who will never do it because when I talked to some of them and they're just like all like you know so I you know I'm so stressed and all this gust up. I'm like man you really need to do. Some like psychedelics. Or something you know off to you. Know it's like man the the one who needs it the most right so like from what I just said there. What would you say to say the people there have never tried it? Well what you said just reminded me of a phrase which he said the produces psychosis in those who have never taking it. Those who have never taken it are always afraid of it and kind of more psychotic than actually those were taking second so And he actually had another phrase called Thing for yourself which story. And this is something that that came from the sixteenth from from the read the discovery of the when there was a lot of this this Thing would have to be at Phnom and you know all of that that that started going on I think I should clarify there because you know i. I'm started mentioning Synthetic psychedelic that. There's a really big difference between taking psychedelics in recreational form and taking them in a therapeutic form and yeah because Somehow I don't know just the setting and and the the mindset are really really important when you do this distracted and Also there You know this is something that also has to be handled in a careful way and Responsible Way and You need you need a really good mindset in ideally someone who can you know can guide you through or support you You to the bathroom if you need give you a hand when you needed You know this kind of this kind of support So I I just I. I started talking about something else but just interested in general but all this stuff. Yeah I mean. I wouldn't say that everyone has to try. Psychedelics Lucas You know that's like meditation. But I think that it's extremely useful. Just lake meditation for example and. Yeah I agree with what you say that you know how how a lot of people should should try this and I guess I should mention also that Psychedelics of of the different drugs. Psychedelics is kind of drugs we can call them or plans that don't produce addiction rather they're usually good against addiction so even. I don't know if you knew even for example. Lsd was a one was used a lot for treating alcoholism when it was legal and one of the two guys who who opened alcoholics anonymous. Actually at a session with Lizzie. Which which was really important for him and is supposed to be one of the twelve steps. Thirteen for something. He did some letters with June about this and at the end they didn't do it but You know things like Wasco are being used a lot for treating addictions and also other kinds of treatments There's there's different centers for this. Of course he Bulga and There's some studies actually of In mushrooms used to treat Tobacco addiction that's-that's in New York University and Yeah so usually addictive Substances kind of lower your serotonin. Wild psychedelics higher. And you know different things. They're not addictive. They didn't do not cause withdrawal actually usually when you take them. It's like you you don't want to do it very or maybe not do it again. So yeah yeah that's sort of where. I'm at actually. Haven't done anything to psychedelic in a while. Because I did. I was a few times and I did a Bogo which was insane and then I did that. Five M. D. M. T. I did some mushrooms. I did San Pedro. Something like that One of those and then after that I was like wow. I'm like a million times better than I was before and most of the experiences were not that easy for me so I'm like okay. I'm good for awhile. I'm just GONNA leave it. I don't hear the calling that much although I did want to let you know that if you are bringing five. Emmy owed. Emt this year. We'll get into what you're doing this year that I might try that one but I don't WanNa do. I watched great things just too too big of a thing right now and. I'm pretty happy with where I'm at. I don't WanNa like almost screw it up kind of thing but but it also is very. It's very hard for me to do those things so that goes to your point. Yeah it's not like you do Iowa's all of a sudden you're doing it every day. You can't like it's too intense. It's and it's not something that's what I think. Some people might do it kind of like the they call them psycho nuts they kind of do it for the thrill of going into their mind and all that kind of stuff and they do get a thrill out of it. That sort of thing but For me it was just like ten years of Of therapy in about five hours. It was very very tiring and and a lot of it was hard to do but once it was done. I felt a lot better so I said to people in the past. If you're thinking about doing these things and and you feel like you want to then deathly give it a try. Because it's kind of like a calling when I I was. I was really Kinda like at the bottom of the barrel sort of a thing. Very almost suicidal depressed drinking lots Didn't WanNa live anymore and I just you know all of a sudden remember all of a sudden I saw Iowa popping up all over the place. It's like you know the universe whatever you WANNA call it which is putting in front of me all the time and I didn't even know what the word was at the time. This is like five years ago wasn't as well known then and after seeing it a few times what is this. I looked it up but as I. Oh and oh it's it helps with. Depression helps with sort of stuff and eventually I just went and did it so I kind of like a kind of called me and that's really. I think a lot of people should consider these things when they feel that calling. Yeah we'll Yeah definitely sometimes. It's a very hard experience usually win harder. Experience you also derived more out of it But it can also be a a light experienced and softer experience. So you can. You can take lake for example small cup of a West and this is something that that Usually for example when we serve we we give a little bit and then you can take a little bit more a little bit more so you can kind of feel how can you. How are you want to go into the confrontation Yeah very interesting so I want to ask you what because I know you're doing a number of different things this year at an Coco? Which is coming up in just a couple of days. So we're on our way. They're pretty much in the next few days. But I also want to ask you because you've been doing this for five years and I've heard over the years so many people have come up to me and they've said I did Iowa three years ago to improve my life. It changed my life dramatically. I'm a different person since then so I'm sure you've heard some of these experiences from some people. Why don't you give us a few of your experiences? My experience my personal experience. What you've heard from other people as well but you can give us. Your experiences is crazy. yeah I remember the first time I participated we've made The I know you watched the ceremony yet in our CUCO. It was after the conference and we actually made it in the same room the hall where all the conference have and everyone was really happy about any had a very nice view of the show that was in the Grand Hotel and everyone was. They told me a lot that because it happened in the same hall where they had been there for. You know all these days they sending in thinking was like it was really integrity like really you know integrate everything that happened and reflect and and and there was a of also. I feel like a nice group cohesion cohesion and and making those those really night remember that and Yeah Yeah I've also heard a really good commentary Actually you mentioned if I was doing five meal empty. And and the actually the Jaguar. The that we're doing the ceremony our five minutes. So the the this is like the the alkaloid. But it's actually a sap of tree. It's the top of the tree from the Amazon. We Cook it. And there's a process and that becomes you know and and that the the main alkaloid it's TV and see which is actually also what you had that time. How was your experience that that was great? Actually it was kind of funny because I was so stressed and busy with our cocoa and I'd forgot that we had talked. And you said you're GONNA come by my place and give me some DP. I forgot all about it so I'm just sitting there. I'm trying to like de-stress from an book and all of a sudden you're there and you're like don't you remember I was like Oh man to leave forgot and I think he blew it up my nose or something. Right was was that the one. Yeah yeah so I was like okay. Well let's do it and so I did and it was it was it was actually my best psychedelic experience. Because it wasn't there was no it wasn't tortuous at all it was. I saw all kinds of symbols like millions of symbols every symbol like the Islamic religion. The the cross the like it was just all over the place and I saw like every religion and history and all kinds of animals and I remember it was very fast and it was like not Tortuous at all and I was kind of like just really enjoying. I was like I was like in this big cutter like library of everything that's ever happened. In the history of the universe sort of thing and every symbol of the symbols were really what I noticed is I could see every symbol. I was like wow symbols are everywhere starting to think about that and I remember to this day that near the end I started going like this and it's like and I started to come out of it and you're just sitting there watching me and you said what was that. Why did you do that? Nice I said to you because I realized I had all this baggage and all this sort of like old like what would you call it like dogma? And things you were taught. And they're just clinging to me and I wanted to get him off. I wanted to be free of it all and that's what I was doing in that moment so it was nothing too. Super Lake changed my life sort of thing but it was kind of like this quick little reminder of who you are where you are what's going on and and just like don't let this stuff you know cling to you too much. That's what I got from my experience. Yeah and I know we've talked to numerous times. You got crazy stories about you that when I was doing the Aboagye Man I was inbetween day. One day two and we're about two two and I remember I was telling you guys I'm like I can't do it. I can't do it and I think you and there was a girl her name and you guys said you just have to your like halfway through Dow and trust us to the second time. It's not going to be hard and I was just drained. I was like I can't do it. I think I'm going to die and but I decided to do it android before I was about to do it. You got all happy and I was like what so happy about and they. He's he's about to go to a sundance and I was like. Oh like a dance or something and then like you don't know what is it. And they're like he's not he's going to go through the forest or something for like a week not eat not even drink water and then he's going to hang himself through through hooks through his chest from a tree all day and you. You look like you're like Christmas time. You're like so happy cat weights and when I heard what you were going to do. I'm like this guy's one interesting cat actually haven't done that in a while. I didn't lifetime though. That's from the Lakota soups tradition and Yeah it's it's it's kind of pretty psychedelic also because you know because you're not drinking water and And you're just doing ecstatic dancing all day all day for four days. It's it's about one week but it's actually four days of ecstasy and actually I was hitting beauty also during the DADS and Yeah it's it's pretty good actually. Have the scars put hooks through your chest and hang from a tree right? Yeah wow I always said like that's GonNa be if I ever do. It'll be one of the last things I kinda do. It's like I'm like last on my list of things. I want to try a hard on your body and and then also going to Gaborone and Doing Volga Their Social. Very hard Because I've been going to a pygmy village so it's very very deep in the forest it's actually you have to arrive to which is the capital Which is already very far. Is You have to go through with you but then from Libertyville you have to Go two days now on car like just through the jungle to to go and then there you're right to dignity village and that's also very tough because you are. You're in the ground There's nothing they almost. Don't give you anything to eat. And you're just eating a a lot of lot of people. I was actually the they. They say I'm I'm I'm like white. This is lake how they say so I would like the first foreigner or white to Tweet de Boga there in that area and actually the kids had never seen someone like meat so they were scared something they would cry because I guess for them. It's like if I was just like blue or just like what's happening and And because I was the first foreigner or whites due to eat people got everyone came from really far away the like really far and there was hundreds of people looking at me in my initiation and they gave me tons and tons and tons of he bogeyed just because they went to see what happens how I would react Thursday and I've always different because you know So that was that was a really really strong experience for a while and also the first time I did I gain also that was very very strong because I had I took one of the dose. While I mean I could those Which was already really strong for me. I could. I could end the walk anymore. I could talk but I couldn't walk. Couldn't get up or anything. So they carried me to to the bed and then they gave me ten times that amount and absolutely that was. I couldn't talk after that and I was just three days of that was very very strong but very powerful and very helpful as well and my book. Experience was crazy like a year. Sounds like even crazier which I can't even imagine but I was reading an entire book in the experience and I was actually typing it so my every kind of come to little bit. My fingers be going like this because I was reading an entire book and I would actually go on the Internet in my job experience and I'd be like oh I need to look up this girl because I need to include a reference to her in the book and I'd read on Wikipedia. This is all happening. My brain all about it okay. That's information I played. The fire has seemed like this went on for days and finally I finished the book. And I'm like yes I'm like. Oh crap where do I save it and I was trying to actually try to upload it to my email in my own head rate as it was starting to wear off. I'm like I can't lose this book. It's the best book ever and you know and then like a thousand other things going on like the data. Boga was that game was that was wild but it was hard. Because you can't get out of it and you're just in it for days and you've got so many crazy stories. I remember you once told me like you and your friends would like drink Iowa Oscar for like a week and lock yourself in a in a pitch black room so that remember that story. Tony Yeah I used to have a dark dark dark room for retreat to just completely dark and has to have a special ventilation so so there's air because completely sealed and has a double door so you can bring food inside and Yeah I I was. I was giving some treatments there Because just darkness brings up the the empty from insight. So so so. That's something interesting. Actually the empty which West has the empty and the Jaguar has five mental CD those kinds of the MTA are produced by the by by our bodies. Naturally I how do you? How do you heard this he? I have okay so I usually when you're born and when you're dying is when there's like very big amount of this being produced and and so when you're going to darkness because of the pineal gland in darkness starts to be activated and it starts to produce. I the Melanesian than than it starts producing the so you can kind of have like Ouaga software west experience just being in darkness tendency and then well. After the fifth day you start kind of experiencing the also title game and five minutes off. Cbs So in the dark room too. But yeah I mean it's it's like something we talk like. Wow it's crazy but also we should mentioned that I mean it's very deep and and you can Really have profound insight about your life and and maybe at least maybe once in a lifetime thing but but I think those loans are really really important to kind of you know. Check back on because sometimes we're leaving and we're just like what you saying just going and going and going and you know it's really good to stop and look backwards and and none of this so yes yeah absolutely. So what are you going to be offering this here to NARC book? It's Iowa Oscar right and then what else. Yeah so We have three year West affair monies. We have one fealty ceremony so The whistle shamans coming and they're going to be Offering something already and And three Jaguar ceremonies. He took the one you that so we didn't talk too much about. The PEYOTE is actually one. I've never done so. Why don't you talk a little bit about that? Yeah well you'd essentially the first one that I started learning from I started eating it when I was ten year. Sold with my dad and my teacher and It's it's like you said it's very similar to some federal both have mescaline It's it's not as intense like Like right now like boom but it takes longer so I was four to six hours the Jaguars when our and beauty ten ten hours so it's it's softer but it's longer and Yeah you know. It's kind of hard to describe them. I would say maybe Lake I. It was more like Words more maybe with zero zoning more likely dreams you're kind of in a dream and like this and beauties more like more empathic and like more body sensations and Yeah more like In the now with the body and kind of you know you can feel your heart Dole Band and you can feel that like this kind of thing. So that's kind of more more of the experience. Sounds quite similar to the San Pedro that I did. It was about that length and wasn't that intense. I was actually doing it on the beach with someone and we started in the early evening and three or four hours in all of a sudden it seemed like time stopped and all of a sudden it felt like I was. We're surrounded. We're NOT CAPUTO CHO so. We had the beautiful views in every direction and all of a sudden it just seemed like everything stopped and it felt like we were on a movie set and we're the only two people in the movie but it felt really calm. Like that's why I was saying about if like fatherly. Sorta like everything's okay peaceful. Everything's fine that kind of thing whereas the Iowa to me was a lot more you know like wake up sort of like you know. Wake up stupid aren't GonNa wake you up sort of a thing. This one seemed a lot lot. Sorta like more fatherly sort of a thing. Yeah it very very much Last year I think there was someone who who went to all the ceremonies and I remember that he said that the one he liked the most. But you know it vary so much for other people. It wasn't so it was such an important experience So yeah. I guess Sometimes you need a kind of medicine and sometimes you need another kind of everyone's different. Everyone has different experiences. So that's one of the kind of weird things about. It must be doing this with a lot of people. It's like you know everyone's going to have a different experience. So some people might be like kind of upsets like why heard this person had this experience and I didn't have that it's like well whatever person and those a lot of time. The first time you're doing this it's hard to understand how works sometimes the more you understand and you can get more out of it sometimes. It's the opposite sometimes the first time it's while and then it's not as strong. I guess similar to Sexuality Somehow sometimes maybe I experienced very good and then something like the first experiences. You is not very good then. You can understand so from my experience and maybe you can tell me what you think but for someone who's never done any of this stuff but you're interested. I would suggest you just try the five Emilio I because it's short and not very tortuous. And maybe the second one if you want to like the page or the Peyote and then if you really WanNa go for the intense experience I think that'd be the Iowa Rep will well what I feel is that actually the the Jaguars is the most intense watch which yes But I I some very solazzo like in in your case you had like a really gentle experience. It wasn't like Cathartic but many times that that's the one that's actually most are taking more more lakes strong So it's like you know like doing Wasco but in in all together just in one hour so but it's really liked short very deep though it's very So well the I don't also I mean maybe when you when you had. Your experience was very thick the glass and would have been doing in an arc. Apu is giving small out anarchy Megyn so Also because you know we're in a in a setting of a conference and all of that so I I would say that. The Odeon the watts also with beauty we will be drinking. Small amounts like this. So if you want to be goes lower I would say maybe those two because the Jaguar. It's all at once and and yeah cool so yes so they're coming in. Poco definitely if you're interested in stuff check it out and you know it's really hard to do this sort of thing normally if you live in the US you basically almost. Can't I know some people do it in some places but it's pretty illegal and most people don't do it and then even if you do it it's not really with good shamans and things like that and you pointed out that's really important and year. Year Lake. One of the most famous Shamans in Mexico. And you've got a numerous of the what do you call them? He to- critical people. The which which which people so These are like people have been doing it. Their whole lives that sort of thing. And so it's not a you know for the you know if you're gonna go to the Amazon and do Iowa you're gonNA spend a lot of money but that's one of the places you should do it. Is You know. Go to places like authentic and Scott. The the good shamans and all that kind of stuff. But it's going to cost a lot of money but if you'RE NARCO. Poco you could just do it for a few hundred dollars. You know having experienced that way. So where are you going to be doing all these things this year? Well actually. I'll know on Saturday. So which is when I read. Google will check the site. But it's going to be it's going to be somewhere in the hotel so yeah make a convenient and also I mean it's it's just nice to do it also In in the context of the conference because Doing it before and can help you plan. Salat and and kind of get ready. You know an end open because these these are really good tools to to open into a to be a win to two inside and all of this and also or doing an after you know to just integrate and just on everything else so I think that that's pretty interesting especially the kind of the community sense of you know. Y- doing this with with this community which is special. Yeah that's what I hear a lot. I've never actually done it with the community. I'm pretty busy and stressed about this. I don't usually have the time or ability to do with everyone else but I might drop in on a d. m. t. one if I get the opportunity So just for people who don't know NARC POLKA DOT COM. And you can go to the tickets page and under tickets. He scrolled down to ceremonies. And we have let me scroll hair. So we have the tiger ceremony. So That's the Oscar and Jaguar is the d. m. t. and then the Blue I. Guess is the Peyote Peyote is just one day. Yeah just one the cool. So they're all two hundred fifty bucks so that's pretty good a like I said. Try flying to the Amazon and see how much that costs you to do. All this kind of stuff and kind of cool to deal with a lot of fellow voluntary anarchists and you actually told me I think Someone was telling me it was you a couple years ago. You brought up some Shamans from the Amazon. And and I think it was you. I was saying that they kind of wanted to come to Arca Poku to do it because they saw that. The people at the event like kind of like the important people to change in this world in the way that it needs to be changed This was that you who told me that? Yeah Yeah and I don't remember if it was me. But yeah definitely and Yeah I think we should involve a little bit more or or or can get involved with with indigenous communities because they are really anarchist since forever and I'm also really interesting. Really interested right now in in For example in Columbia. There's a special kind of law which is indigenous small and through this. You can do a lot of things because they have pretty much like their own They can they can change lost a lot in their territory and this is also something really interesting that I'm kind of looking at and and they they have they have You know the the anarchist anarchist communities that have a long tradition and knowledge for many generations. So they they kind of understand a little bit how you know how how how this small communities works and they have like different kind of political View and a different kind of just just Like they have. I think a lot of knowledge that we could use In terms of that actually yeah last year for the Shamans that I brought for two of them. They didn't even have birth certificate so it was kind of weird we had to go and get birth certificate and they were like she was she was at least fifty five years old and he was like seventy years old and he had never had a birth certificate. A pass or to be able to travel though. Yeah yeah that's great. Hopefully we can get more involved in in those sort of community communities in the future and maybe we can talk about that when you're in this year if there's anything that we haven't mentioned that you want to mention please do and also for anyone out there who's going to be an ARCA POCO but not sure if they want to do it but maybe they wanna like go and talk to you or maybe go see what. It's like that sort of thing. How can they connect with you so we can talk of course and we'll have like a standard also Where some of the indigenous they're going to be selling their aircraft but They can't go and see because it's very private and you know just for the people who are participating because it's I would say you know you might want to cry things things. When you're taking the medicine so and We have musicians there. Also playing music and we'll have integration if someone needs into ration- after will have you know we also have therapists transformational therapists not like psychotherapy. But it's they they. They can kind of space for people who might need this after ceremony and So so kind of around all that yet we can definitely talk and and Yeah if you're not sure if you want to go or something Yeah you can just email me or or we can find each other in the conference. Where Cool Yeah? I didn't realize a lot of these are almost before the conference. So the Iowa's February tenth twelfth and then one after or during on the sixteenth and the Jaguar which is the tea is February Thirteenth Fourteenth. And then the and actually we didn't mention this post event retreat. We also doing yeah. I forgot to mention that one. And and that's basically it's using transactional tools like a little bit breath. Work ECSTATIC DANCE thing. fintech movement the different things. They did with Kind of the PSYCHEDELIC tool. So it's IT'S A. It's a very interesting I'd say creation there that I think that that would be the one I would recommend the most the most for people who have never taken Alex before and also for people who want to learn how to how to travel better and with these tools. Because that's worth three full days and will be really focusing a better one on one in you know more more more attention call. So that's after the event. I'm trying to see where if that's even listed on here retreats. Maybe we have too many things. I want to really simplify everything. There's too much stuff but anyway yes. That sounds good. So maybe you might see me at the post retreat because after that. I can finally relax a little bit after book. Oh so yes. So why the Balochistan Book Dot Com website? Anything you WANNA let people know about yourself like Do you have a website or blog or like Yes Yeah we have a nonprofit. It's called on foundation. You can find on conversation dot org and that's where also we're doing the pilgrimage. We're going to indigenous communities so people who have already been in a bull going maybe thermo and then you want to go deeper. And and and share with these communities go to Africa or go to to the Amazon. And we're also just being all kinds of projects there with Psychedelic research We're doing for example. A project of Waka for peace and conflict resolution. Giving you got two different the war party at the really really good project and we have different products. They through the nonprofit. Well that sounds cool. I'd like that all down below if you know anyone out there who's kind of like depressed or has addiction problems or just not all that happy in life for art stuff like that definitely show this video with them because a lot of these tools that we just talked about here can help a lot of people. 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I've got lots get caught up with you about but first things first. Roberson a very very scary time right now. So how are you and your family holding up during this period kindness? Keep things together as much as we can. You know I lost Thirty friends and cousins In the last week and a half to curl environmental it's been pretty rough but You know we're just trying to get through this as best we can and I'm really really sorry to hear that crazy. It's pretty well. How how are you processing that? And what kind of conversations are you having with loved ones? And how do you even approach something like that? You know trying to really you know. Remember that we have to appreciate both be has while we have you know that knows closest to us and and and our family and dear friends and just appreciate them even more than that had very sorry to hear that so you and there is no convenient way to move beyond that except to say that you and you guys Steve Sharapova or hosting a podcast and it's called Talking Sopranos. Obviously you can pick and choose Michael at this point in your life your career what you want to take on. So why did you take this on? And what are you looking to do with the platform? Well I mean it actually relates to what we were just talking about this time that we're in and dealing with the krona viruses and how difficult it is you know we. We were approached six months ago by an all at once. Three different producers. That's pretty much at the same time. It was very strange. 'cause they know we're friends and they know we've done a live stage show inside the actors studio thing around the country. We've done it in Australia. And we were approached by different companies about doing a podcast and You know we spoke about it and we figured out a way of my work and we found a company like partic- like and We announced it at the end of February. We were going to release it and make full record at the end of March studio in New York and you know everything chains you know in the middle of March pretty much and we said. Let's get this idea. Let's Wako. Everything's back to normal or at least close to normal again. It's not we both kind of. Why would we do this at this point in time? Maybe it's a little cone and we both received overwhelming? You know communications from fans through social media in particular saying we need this now. We we heard you're doing one is coming out. We're home watching the Sopranos in in quarantine shelter in place and we would love a podcast. Right now told them. We should all right with that in mind. You know. In that respect we found a way to do with remotely not in the studio but in our homes and get it out like in April early April like we said we would And here we are and here we are no you in Steve. Obviously you mentioned you guys are friends and you go way back. But what's it been like so far? What is the reaction been like? And what's the process been like for you to host a PODCAST You know it's You know particularly with Steve. It's just very natural. 'cause I have a conversation You know as friends and both of us have a lot of distance from the show not only because it went off the two thousand seven but we haven't really watched it stay their initial airings to be honest. You know I mean. I'm not somebody who likes to watch his own stuff in and we watch it and relive it. It's not my thing But I do have a great love for the film and so it's kind of amazing to rewatch it with so much time in between when we did it and now and and it's You know there's ample who thought and lots of stimulating ideas for conversation and Co car. Beloved it all right so for those who do not know. You're going to break this thing down episode by episode Michael. I'm curious like what is it like to watch twenty years later. What's it like for you and obviously it holds up but what feel like when you see it and when you watch back now after all this time well it's It's really funny. I you know I remember how funny show is. It's very interesting. It's really well done in a Lotta ways week for us. Because there's a lot of people both in front of and behind the camera who no longer with. Us particularly you know Jim. Gala Fini in most notably so. It's been meeting away but it's also very present and and You know I'm proud of the work and there's a lot of happy memories attached to it You know the other reason why. We thought podcast. That idea. Is that in the last year and a half. A whole new generation discovered this show which I never expected kids in their twenties and thirties and late teens and stuff who would didn't watch it in its initial run and love it. It's become kind of a cocaine among young people which I didn't really expect a lot of these. Young people love podcasts And are on social media and So it seemed like wow there is a there is totally an audience could have You know we always had an audience that watched it when it was first on and they had soprano parties and made toss it in order pizza. I'll be Sunday night. But this generation you know can watch it whenever they can binge you know whatever. They want so This is a whole new audience. And that's exciting. Listen you and I are about the same age so I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember what that show is like. I remember those Sunday parties and so am by the way. What you're saying is not a given. This does not happen very often. The fact that if found another generation and other audience is pretty amazing in and of itself. I'm curious is there any way that the show could possibly hit this generation the way it did ours back in the day? I mean he can't enlisted the same type of reaction can it or maybe can't it? I'd be young people that I've been talking to reading from a very very passionate about they really you know I mean. They're not having the same. I guess the style of that communal feeling watching it with family and friends on Sunday night talking about it Monday morning. You know at work right on the water cooler that kind of thing. Which does it really that much anymore on. Tv because we're in the age steaming DVR and all that kind of thing but Very about the show and the characters and the D. Music and the style and the fashions of the show and the film making the show. It's really I guess. Part of it may be that. This generation grew up with a lot of really high in television. You know in the golden age of television with great writing great series more out of the box type of material so when they discover the sopranos which in some ways was a show that can open the door for all that and opened the floodgates role that type of programming. They get it and they respond. I think that's extremely well said number one. They're used to things on demand. It's not like I'm not saying it's not appointment viewing but we used to have to wait every week for it to come on and you're right. They're accustomed this sort of thing and Michael. I was GonNa ask you about that sort of thing. We're talking about exceptional television. What was it like to act on such an exceptionally written and produced show Ricardo? I mean they're they're they're the curial that I've had is an active particularly for me for my character who you know had such a wide range of emotion and a wide range of situations and the other thing for television very often. Tv before the Sopranos characters wouldn't necessarily evolved that much. You know you introduce a character in the first season and a Lotta Times with characters. Pretty much stay the same and of course the series. The audience expects this character to fulfill the search sort of function. And that you know it's kind of these people evolved over time. I mean Christopher in particular in the first season in the first episode was like a kid you know and impulsive and you know immature and Brash. And he he stayed in poker to an extent but over the seven seasons ki did grow and take on more mature spots abilities and more mature situations and we see him struggle to that an actor. That's good for gold. I mean you know they would always have expected. Only consisting and Christie was an actor. Well not totally unexpected. Because you were writing on the program which I want to get to in a minute but I want to stay on Christopher because he Christopher is such a complex dude with polarities substance abuse highs lows like how challenging was it both emotionally and even physically to find that character for you and a play that role well. It was challenging. But that's the kind of challenge you want is particular. I particularly liked to be towns. I liked him push. I like to have to really work hard and discover stuff and and take chances and and push myself out of my comfort zone and like this is like drug you know drug use heroin news being state to you know intoxication being high in certain scenes. You know a lot of the players that I mean. It's it's it's it just have to use your imagination. You have to use your skill to to create those states of mind. Those altered states of consciousness and the mind as an act of to have material that challenges you in that respect right now he. Krista obviously had some pretty serious demons. But and to your point he evolved a great deal as the other characters did too and he had demons and he did some pretty regrettable things but that's not to say that he did not have redeeming qualities. Because he did. So what did you like? And respect about him. What I always respected. Unloved about him is that he was willing to put in the work And I'm you know. He like he had these aspirations of being screenwriter being an acronym himself in his life story and producing movies and a lot of people do a lot of people in all walks of. My life is so interesting. My family was so crazy I should write a movie or I should be in a move. He actually did the work. He bought a computer or figure it out. The software learn how to write screenplays connecting lessons acting class. You know wrote a screenplay tried to go to produce you know. He actually sat at us in the the work and same thing goes for you know his career as a mom you know. He was very ambitious. Wanted to rise up the ladder of YOU KNOW INSANE. The cozumel extra work really hard and took on responsibility ten. He did that. And in a Lotta ways in his relationship with Israel and the opening a club with on wanting to give her career in the music business and and and it goes on and on throughout the show and so he he wasn't someone who just sat back and expected everything to be handed to it although he did at the same time have a high sense of entitlement but he. He worked very hard and was ambitious. But but you know put the put the time in the elbow and I always describe it right. Am I call it? Pretty say that you really fell in love with the show after the first season like so much to like about the program obviously but specifically what did you fall in love with? It was the uniqueness the specificity and the depth of the storytelling and and the you know the the complexity of the characters and You know this this type of almost novelist storytelling. I had seen and television and I had never had the opportunity to do intelligence That really me on the show and the sense of humor which was this is show that it is a mob show and the violence and drama and scary stuff for a Larry Outright. Just slapstick sometime. This show is really funny. Really funny I mean really heavy but very very funny now. Speaking of writing you did right those five episodes that I mentioned you also produced on the program. How did you get the opportunity? How did you position yourself to write for the show? And then I'm curious. That writer's Room. What was that? Like what happened was After the first season like you just brought up. I fell in love with this. Oh all aspects of the show and all the characters so between season one and two. I wrote a SPEC script of the Sopranos and episode and also between one and two a movie that I had co wrote for Spike Lee. Call Some Sam came out. So I've invited David to the premier that to show him my work as a writer and then gave him the SPEC script and you know and he liked my ideas and he liked the way I wrote and then you know we started working I was in the writer's room at times. Sometimes I wasn't because I was often very heavy on Saturday mackerel working. You know a lot but You know the writers room is Harry Writing period is very hard about the blank pages. Very scary and it's a. It's a strange cross a very different process than acting acting. We get for script. You know you study it you figure out what what choices you WANNA make. And what's the best way to approach it? I mean riding Sherry off in your starting from scratchy starting from nothing in the building stuff out of the you know out of there so it's always always always challenging but very Working with David Chase was an education and a lot of religious her a ride so imagine you felt really good about what you had offer. Obviously and that he'd seen your work so he responded favorably but I mean we nervous. Did he like when you gave him that? Spec script how confident were you in it? And what was his reaction to it. You really liked it. Was I confident I liked it? I thought it was You know I I. I decided to do it because I felt like I. I did have the sensibility and under on understanding what he trying to do with the scripts. So you liked it enough to actually. What happened my script that I wrote? I had the central story with Christopher. Odeen on heroin and then having these outer body afterlife experiences of Heaven Purgatory which he liked and said well. I'm planning it's easy to get shot. So we can use all that stuff after he gets. Shot as opposed to mobile. So that's that was how it how it will a Michael you like shot like I'm dead and I'm gone or shot like I'm going to recover and it's going to be fine It was touched. Go yeah it was touching it was. It was pretty. Oh what when you told me that. No no I mean not like shot like I'm off the show in season two now. No no that never I never. I'll be honest and probably stupid but I never really worried about that Michael because because you didn't worry about that sort of thing or because you knew that the show needed you and they were not gonNa kill you that early Yeah I kind of felt it. Was You know he was pretty important character? That was needed. I mean obviously the chance of that. Like big pussy got killed off after season two. So that kind of set the tone that nobody was Nobody was above getting rid of but I don't know I never really. I never really worried about it. I get you and I'll say for you. Hell yes hell no. They weren't gonNA kill you in the second season. You know since I spend all my days talking to athletes except when I do this as a side hustle and this is amazing but you know athletes get traded and it's always it's business is business. It's not personal. If big pussy gets killed off and season to do all just say well you know? We know that this can happen. It's just business. Was there kind of emotional reaction to it. Is that a tough thing to deal with for everybody. Yeah so it is an even the other character after you know when they would get to written-off until then was because New York it'd be seen them on a regular basis and that's that was sad because the Sopranos of one of the great joys of that show will it was like walking down the street corner hanging out with your friends every day. There was so much camaraderie and friendship which is not very common on television. Not like it was on this show So you knew when when you read the script so and so it was going to be killed in the shuttle. You weren't GonNa be hanging with them on time and that was That was the sadness that we've helped get that and you can tell the chemistry you can tell how strongly everybody felt about each other. And how much respected was you know we have a success together? You know a lot of us had worked together before before the Sopranos In movies and theatre particularly independent movies and theater and stuff and So I went to acting school with two of the actors from when I was a teenager so so to have a success like this together really bonded us as well besides just the the chemistry and just the you know the friendship but that that there's something to that you know you and I wanNA follow up on that too because I know your sports fan you understand the dynamics of teams in sports. You know a lot of times when a team has success. The problem with that is when they're all fighting for that one thing and then they get their if they win an NBA championship or Super Bowl or world series. Whatever it might be. Then they want. There's then there's a battle for credit. There's a battle for the next contract this about for who is going to get credit for this type of thing when you all come together and you all experience the kind of success that you did on the show. How did you react to it? Was there still that great it that Camaraderie in that spirit or people. Frankly maybe kind of looking for their own No it's Kinda stayed. We stayed united and we stayed friends and a lot of that credit to Jim. Gmc ME BECAUSE HE WAS NOT. He was the leading actor on the show of course and work as more than anybody any other actors. But he wasn't the star he was being captive. More than like the star who everybody has the kind of Chow Chow to? He was the captain for both reactors and the people he was very much a Galateri in that way and wanted everybody to be respected and everybody have a experience and it was very important. And he's got that told you know when guest stars would come on and even people who you know were had success in the past. They've got the they got the vibe pretty quickly that this was not there was no diva. Ego trip's happened in that it was. You know fighting the good fight and offer one one for all that kind of feel you Michael. He even as a as somebody who watched the program as a fan of the program. It just seems so shocking to so shocking when he passed when he was fifty one. I can't imagine what that was like for you as somebody who is close to him as you were it was it was terrible. We I had just seen two weeks before he passed away. at premier. That we we did a bunch of us. Were in kids moving nickelodeon movie Steve Rip of wrote. It was based on a kids book that he wrote and we went to the premier and La and we hung out in really good spirits and happy and you know it was. It was Six years after the show had ended the sopranos it end and he just kind of finding himself again. I think because the show demanded a lot of him. You know as an actor but more as a person to and the laptop my own looked to be happy and you know full alive and and You know for me. I acted with him more than I've acted within other active. Probably more than I realized with any other actor. So there's this you know I mean and I've been doing this my whole life pretty much thirty something years or so that you know. We went through some heavy places together. You know as as a actor and with each other through a lot of personal things at the same time so it was a huge huge loss in so many ways Michael. I'm curious should pretty and we're going through a time right now. You and I already spoke about your extreme loss at the very top of the conversation. I'm curious like when you go through something like that with Jim. Are you personally thankful for the time that you had with him or is it still hard on some level? You still sad about it right without a doubt. I mean I wouldn't trade. You know the times we had in the work we did we also as a group guy especially the guy. Sometimes you know the rain would come with us and Jamie Lynn and Jay. Once in a while we often traveled. We did a lot of appearances around the country. Like especially in casinos and and Did a lot of charity events together and so we. We had a lot of fun. You know and I wouldn't create any of those memories and your work memories any of the friendship And but it's a it's a whole and it It always a little bit. I appreciate your thoughts on that. Thanks you mentioned how the show ended. I know better than to ask you about how the show ended. But let me ask a different kind of question than we know about the fans and even the second generation fans are rabid. I mean this is an amazing fan base a mock and ask you how the show ended or your thoughts on that but I will ask you. What do you make of the crazy reaction to the way? The show ended pretty sure. David expected that. I think he knew that that would push buttons I think in a way. Listen No I don't think there's a satisfying way to put a button on this show. You know like if he would've killed Philly Attardo or someone would have killed Tony or someone would have killed Karma. I don't know what that satisfying ending could have been. You know what I mean and I think what he thought. Would David decided to do in? The end was very creative. Very risky and very provocative and still have people talking guessing thinking so you know. I think there's something to that to Michael. One of my favourite TV shows ever was the white shadow. I love it right. I thought you might. I love that show. And I loved Him Van Patten as Salami on that show and he went on. He's had an amazing career as a director and producer and he did work on the Sopranos. Did you ever work with him on that program your program Onto Perello? Yes Oh yeah he. He directed many of them. Yeah right like what was he like to work with? What a great guy great especially because he understood acting director's office come from some come from acting some come from side some come from the writing side some kind of comes from the producing side and some are have always been directed. They studied that school and make films. Or whatever and everyone brings different things you know and But you know. Tim brought that experience as an actor. And often you can. That really will help you perform because when you're dealing with director that that understands that process right really quickly before I let you go and I do appreciate your time. One of my favorite things about you right now. Well anytime is you're talking to us from Santa Barbara. Something we have in common. I I went to school at UC. Santa Barbara I got my media. Start in that market. That is an extremely important place to me. Yourself could live anywhere. What do you like about Santa Barbara? And how did you come to live there I liked it. I liked the natural judy. Like calm and quiet I live here in New York and to you couldn't really find more diametrically opposed places. But that's good for me because I like big cities and I love New York New Vehicle. Always be home. And this is like an antidote and kind of a balance to that I came here for the Phantom Baba Festival. She doesn't ten film that I wrote and directed had its US premier here. And that's how I discovered it. I love it. I love it now. I'm not looking for an address. But it's not. You're not like Montecito or rancher Metro Santa Barbara Right. Yeah I like that even more. Yeah what's Your go-to spot? There where do you guys go Dario a good spot Only on the moon is good spots. I go to for Mexican food. There's a the rose cafe. Yeah he's I'm wondering if the the chase bar and grill. Is that still there? That's still there man. When I was in college now. Was there the palace thing that food? Yeah Joe's Mike La by Joe Cocktail. Joe's there yeah that's great. You know about spots Mutare. I love that place I love it and then you you my wife and I. We still not to the extent that we used to but we still have a few resources. You speaking's right. I used to be very big into horse racing and I had to kind of back away. Okay just because You Know Ga- I can overdo it on on the gambling side easily so be careful. I get a little carried away in the past so But I appreciate. It was always one of the most exciting sports. Heroes Know Three Go. was a cone or of a Horse That was Had its first race at Saratoga one summer and we went up and the Horse One. It's made and rent. I raise CHARITO and it was one of it was like my kid had won the race. I mean it was one of the best of my life. I'll be honest with incredible you in the winner's circle at Saratoga. It was really a trip can say. I'm getting chills because I I know what that's like me I bought and I get. The Saratoga is a magical place and if you can get to the winner's circle there at you. Know We. We own a horse that won the Pacific classic at Del Mar. So I know what you're talking about but then again you win any race venues like this. It doesn't matter. Feels like you WanNa Breeders Cup race or the door. It's incredible. It was really fun. I went to the Kentucky Derby Two thousand one and I and I picked the winner on camera like before the race and with Monaco. We've I think he was like thirteen to one or something. He was a long shot. And so that kind of gave me a certain credit after that because Everyone figured I knew what I was doing right every year. They're calling yeah probably right. Yeah exactly or it's a final thought about the podcast. Michael you mentioned like estate show like the world has changed and you guys were not going to do it. But then you decide to do and it's so good that's out there. It's already began which is awesome but this is I mean. Tailor made for a performance show or to play in theaters with something like that in the works for might still be in the works. You mean taking the on the road that kind of thing. Yeah we'll let you know. Let's see how it goes. I mean we're definitely thinking about as a possibility. We want to see how it does. I and you know we're hoping to have the first season. Which is the first the first season of the show of the Sopranos with episode thirteen episodes of? We're hoping to house you know the first season done by the end of the month. Maybe out by early. May the first season and keep going from there and maybe take it on the road. Good why not listen. What a thrill so awesome. Talk to you Michael. I really appreciate the time and especially you giving me as much time as you did. Such an amazing show and welcome to the podcast community. 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Get the answers and more at ready Dot Illinois dot go that's ready Dot Illinois Dot Gov sponsored by the Illinois Emergency Management Agency aired in cooperation with the Broadcasters Association and this station from CBC news the World This Hour. I'm PEP Philpott. Canadian farmers say they're struggling to get crops in the ground without temporary foreign workers to help them. Those workers are being delayed by Cova. Nineteen some farmers weight and they say the risk grows at there could be food shortages and price hikes the CBC's Kayla Hanzel reports on Earl Kingston's farm in Nova Scotia's Annapolis Valley. University students are covering tunnels with tarps to prepare them for planting. It is work normally done by temporary foreign workers from Jamaica and Mexico but Kingston is still waiting for them to arrive. Locum we'll we'll probably bankrupt and And without there's not going to be food. Foreign workers have begun trickling into Canada. But even then they're in quarantine and unable to work for two weeks so one of the things that Kobe's doing it's revealing to us a bunch of areas where our food system is vulnerable. Evan Fraser is a specialist in food security. At the University of wealth. He says sixty thousand foreign workers came to Canada last year. He also says delays and lower efficiency for farmers. Due to physical distancing measures could result in price increases for consumers at the grocery store the federal government has announced fifty million dollars to help with the extra cost of isolating workers Kayla Hansel C. B. C. News Halifax Finance Minister Bill more. No says he's not ready yet to start thinking about what happens after the pandemic subsides to date auto has pumped tens of billions of dollars into the economy. Trying to keep it afloat. Chris all has more fresh off another announcement of a multi-billion dollar program to keep people working during the Cova. Nineteen Epidemic Finance Minister Bill. More no is a long way from thinking about when the economic downturn might actually and we're obviously hopeful that the impacts of the crisis are temporary. Thank of candidate governor. Stephen pull off told a comments committee this week. That in the best case scenario it will take at least a year for the economy to return to where it was before. The pandemic hit more isn't disagreeing. But he's not agreeing. Either he sticking to the calling card of all finance ministers caution prudence right now. What I'm doing is making sure that we we don't tell people things that we can't know well enough to To be sure any delivery on calls to ease the economic shutdown is still weeks if not months away Chris Hall. Cbc News Ottawa. And here's a bit of a snapshot of where Canada is at the moment. With the pandemic there are about thirty two thousand cases and one thousand three hundred and sixty six people have died. Kobe. Nineteen continues to expand in Quebec and Ontario. Intrusive Tan Canada's Chief. Public Health Officer has identified those two provinces as hot spots for infections. Together they account for most cases and deaths about half. The deaths across the country have been in long term care facilities and Prime Minister Justin Jewel beginning his daily update on Kobe. Nineteen later this morning. Cbc will carry that live. You can listen to it on. Cbc Radio One or watch it online and on CBC News Network Beginning at eleven eastern British health authorities are warning the UK is on the verge of running out of fully protective medical gowns. Those of course are critical for workers treating people infected with the corona virus. And some hospital. Say They could run out by the end of this weekend. Dominic politest reports. The British government's is now advising frontline healthcare workers to reuse personal protective equipments and where plastic aprons instead of full length gowns the guidances drawn criticism from several healthcare bodies. The British Medical Association says doctors and nurses should not be asked to put their lives on the line to save others while the Royal College of Nursing Claims. It wasn't consulted in advance calling the move unacceptable. The government says it's doing all it can to provide hospitals with the protective equipment. They need but there aren't shortages on the frontline and they come at a time when the number of those killed by Kovic nineteen is about to pass the fifteen thousand mark among that number. At least fifty. Nhs workers don't make Valencia's CBC News Bristol. That is your world this hour for. Cbc News I pep Philpott attention. Do you owe ten thousand dollars or more in tax debt. Millions OF AMERICANS LIGHT. You Owe the IRS. 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Hello I'm Gareth Fifteen. Prominent members of Hong Kong's Democracy Movement to being arrested for organizing and taking part in illegal gatherings those detained in coordinated sweet by the police include the man known as the father of the Hong Kong democracy. Martin Lee the publishing tycoon. Jimmy Lai was also arrested. Save McDonnell is in Beijing. The arrests are said to be in relation to protests which happened last year early this week. Beijing's most senior official in the city lower winning code for new Security Law to deal with dissent in the former British colony and days ago. Reuters reported that judges acclaimed to be coming under pressure to hand out tough sentences to practices with global attention on the corona virus. Pandemic the Chinese government's handling of Hong Kong appears to be hardening the Prime Minister of lawsuit. Mr Bonnie says he's ordered the army onto the streets to uphold democracy. Monti said this was to protect the kingdom from elements in law enforcement institutions which he did not name. He's accused of undermining free speech and of abusing the courts. It comes a day after. The Constitutional Court ruled against this decision to suspend parliament and the country's police chief. The prime minister has been embroiled in scandal. Over the murder of his ex-wife Pakistan's president and some countries leading clerics have agreed that mosques may open to the public during the months of REMM which begins next week but house guidelines must be followed socratic. Amani has this report after a meeting with influential religious clerics this morning the Pakistani government announced prayers in most will be allowed during Ramadan. A number of conditions have been imposed including ensuring worshipers are at least two meters away each other however it is not clear how they will be enforced. A ban on prayers groups are more than five people that has been in place for the past. Few weeks has been regularly flouted. By significant number of mosques officials have said they have the right to revise the rules if the situation deteriorates but critics believed the Pakistan government has too reluctant to confront the country's religious lobby the BBC's succumbed to money without report. The Corona virus death toll in Spain has risen above twenty thousand. But the tally of five hundred sixty five was one of the lowest four days with more details. Here's a Europe regional editor Mike Sanders. This latest grim statistic take Spain above the threshold of deaths previously breached on by the United States and Italy and it may be an underestimate Madrid has asked the regions to send in more detail. Figures on deaths in care homes in the community. A downward trend is consolidating. The top public health officials and Ondo Simone said Spain was nearing the point. Which the lockdown could be eased. Some construction and factory workers went back this week. But Mr Simone said monitoring and assessment must continue world news from the BBC. A student activist accused of instigating anti-government riots in the Indian capital Delhi. Last December has been charged with sedition and promoting enmity shower Gel. Emma research student at Jane. You was arrested in January. He was accused of instigating protests against India's controversial Citizenship Amendment Act the British Medical Association. Which represents don't as has denounced an official request for staff treating Corona virus patients to reuse protective clothing. Professional Body reacted after public health. England said some compromise was needed to optimize the supply of gowns masks and gloves in times of extreme shortages. Dr Rob Howard is a spokesman. I don't think any healthcare worker should be expected to expose themselves to potential risks to their lives during the course of their work. It's a real disappointment to us that the government has been unable even after a month to address this progressively worsening shortage of Peop- all healthcare workers will feel torn about having to make such a critically difficult decision. Is this the Royal College Nursing said it was not consulted? Adding that's not providing protection was unacceptable. The British Health Secretary Matt Hancock said on Friday he would love to be able to wave a magic wand to increase supplies. Iran says another seventy three people have died after contracting corona virus. Taking the official toll for the number of dead to more than five thousand but this is widely believed to be an underestimate. 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Two two seven twenty five forty six to seven twenty five forty six show have some information about car buying trends and it's very interesting because the trends are sort of in line with the fact that we're all sort of staying home these days because of the Koga nineteen and there are fewer bricks and more clicks and. I'll tell you a little bit about that as we go along but the fact is that other than rotting around looking in automobile the face to face dealership has to be very rare these days and I will tell you what's really not rare and that is the the fact that the Internet there's more time and more people than ever before in. It's amazing I just wonder from time to time. Just how much load Internet can take but being that it's all electronic. I imagine this dictated about the servers and your server and make no mistake about it. We are all throttled down. 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Help NO INCOME CHECK LOANS ARE FOR INVESTMENT PROPERTIES? Only income must be sufficient to service and now back to body and your host. Bobby likes okay. Let's get started with today's program. Bobby Kennedy brought to you by Reilly auto parts when your battery goes did. Oh Heaven Forbid folks. Everything comes to a stop. Don't take a chance on getting stranded O'Reilly auto parts of actually test your battery for Free. And if it does need to be replaced they can help you find the exact battery that fits your car or truck at a guaranteed low price just to make sure your vehicle's prepared for the weather ahead. Get your battery tested for free at Reilly Auto Parts. O'reilly auto parts better parts better prices every day. Your calls triple eight. Two two seven twenty five forty six next we'll go to Joseph who has a oppress Joseph? Welcome to bobby like his car. Thanks for joining us. Thank you bobby. I called you a couple of weeks ago about oil changing on the Prius and extra hung up. I don't think I heard you correctly but did you say that when you change the oil on a Prius to be careful. The car doesn't start yes. the on hybrid vehicles. In fact what I would really need to do is I would. I would need to get an overview from Johnny Marr. Johnny bars as you know with our master. He's a jet. I in service shop. He's a master. Asc CERTIFIED TECHNICIAN. Not only a master which means that he certified in all categories but he also has taken classes above and beyond that so he sort of A. You know a postgraduate. I mean he is that in war and we were talking one day and he said you know these cars can be. They can surprise you because there's a possibility that the engine would start and I'm not sure Joseph under what circumstances that can happen. But I can tell you the last thing that you'd want any automobile to do while you were under the hood or under the chassis or the engine had no oil would be for the engine to light off. And I don't know under what circumstances but I do know that. That is a possibility so my advice to you would be if you check. Do you change your own oil. No no no I was just I just got the car about In December You need an oil change but I was just wondering if I heard you right because I didn't think I did but I guess I did. It could start a funded air. Yes there there are some circumstances in which that could happen and and and to that end A shot to think of another particular set of circumstances. I do know this and I'll I'll give you an example of how some of the cars are designed today Number One. Let's say it's Let's see what kind of car this was. Let's say it's a new Nissan and your service vehicle and I mean you bring into a service shop and service a vehicle the dealership. Let's say the car is brand new when you open the hood and of course you cranky engine to do whatever it is. You're testing and you. Maybe you change oil filter. You open the hood and crank it up and you look for oil leaks which every one person every time you serve as a car. You should check your work. Rather you're changing the oil putting a belt or whatever so win. A Nissan is cranked up with the hood open and then the technicians that okay. It's already go and wipes his hands and you know the shuts the hood and and the car around to the customer. There's a possibility I think I'm not sure what particular lines that are followed this that the start stop system doesn't work and the reason of that and that makes sense because there's a stop system of course you pull up to a traffic light you step on the break. The engine goes dead. And then if you let off of the break the least amount of reduced brake pressure and I. I tried this many times on my on my thirteen model Jag because I don't like to start stop and the engine will come to life but when you actually have the hood open and you driven the hood that start stop feature will cease to work altogether and I can only imagine that maybe that is also a safety function based on trump granted a Nissan and Toyota two different vehicles. But when you see some design flaw are some potential problem with having a a a specific engine. That would fire up you know. Let's say it would for whatever reason was start up by itself. That's the most dangerous situation. So the Nissan folks for some reason have designed near car so that when you crank the engine with a hood open the start. Stop Mechanism is a ceases to function. Now the good news is it will through a number of restarts and I'm not I don't know what that number is but through one week or two weeks or fifty starch or whatever live the whatever they call it drives cycles and the dry cycle is like you. You Park your car today Saturday. So he parked in a garage last night and he cranked up this morning. Like me and I drove to the studio. That's a drive cycle. All be it not a complete cycle. Because there's no way that any engine and all of the fluids in that engine including the coolant and the oil can reach operating temperature in the short five miles that. I come to work actually less than five show. What we all think we're short distance. Driving is really terrible on oil because of condensation build up and I actually. I can take the oil breeder cap off my vehicle. And I've done this and look at it and there's a caramel coating which is really Oxidized moisture within the old cap. And I've actually had a call had one last week where a jet called and he said Bali. I've got a forty collusion. My wife draw one mile to work and he said there's I take the cap off water droplets in there. Which is you know. All the vapor Rogers to the top and it collects on the underside of the CAP. Show for all of those reasons and and there's a lot of extra information not that share with you but it's interesting because The way vehicles are manufactured. In the way they're automatic those automatic processes could be harmful to someone who is unknowing and to that end. You know the water pump. For instance on a on a pre yes. Those are very expensive Because there there's more than one water pump on cars these days. Some some cars have three pumps and most cars have to thermostats and you say we'll does. What do you need to Thurbers to think about it? Where's Where's the heat in an engine? It's top of the Piston right. It's an a heads right so if you cranky engine up which part of the engine gets hot. The fastest well. The top of the Piston Secondary Only to the combustion chamber so the Piston Actually Gets HOT AND MANUFACTURERS SAY? Here's what we need to do. We need to make this engine get us hottest as as it can as quickly as it can and if you were to open the Thermostat when the cylinder head got hot which you gotta do because you can't crack a gasket or you know our warp ahead then the motto. The engine is not hot so what they do. Is they use a conglomeration of and if you were to see this you would say who had no world. May this thing of a gas mask where you got the hose and you got the nozzles and you got the the screens? You can fit p feature that right well now and add another five nozzles onto a gas messed with novels. Come sticking out everywhere. That's what a thermostat housing looks like on a lot of cars these days because there it the engines or made to recycle re circulate all of the water in the top of the engine. I without circulating any water in the bottom half of the engine and yet they're using the same water pump. For the most part not not yours but to use the same water pump. So here you've got this little upper half of the engine in its own little world that gets hot quickly because the hotter it gets the quicker gets or they are not the hotter. The quicker it gets to the operating temperature the cleaner the the engine is an emissions in better the economy and that's why she never turned an engine off. You could put millions of miles on it and manufacturers have done that you know they put a car on a race track not terrific but a racetrack at seventy five miles per hour. You probably could get five million on not five. You probably get a three two to three million miles on any new car. If you put it on the track and the only time we stopped it was to get gas and and take bio breaks and change drivers. You know what I'm saying because start and stop is is the death knell for automobiles and I'll share this with you. I've got a heartbreak coming up in folks. Let me invite you to call in triple eight. Two two seven twenty five forty six. I'll share a story and Joe if you can hang on if you like our tune in I'll share story when I get back from the break about an hour apart that I took a test in for a non for profit it was a a tra- Bala justice an oil specialist And we tested What was call? Intel stick. Intel stick are removed? The dipstick from the engine of two thousand and six mini Cooper and I- inserted a wire with Transmitter on the end of the wire and when I come back from break I'll tell you the rest of the story and I took place in Took part in checking oil Protection in life. 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Ordered it through his partner store in another city and we were able to repair this customer car without her having to drive to the dealer in another state we may have taken a bit longer to complete this job but we made a new customer. Happy and she'll come back to our shop whenever she needs any future services. This car repair spotlight brought to you by O'Reilly auto parts better parts better prices every day. You're listening to bobby like his car. Clinic Tiny Summers Health and wellness expert with your local health update. I get so many emails and calls about CBD the incredible oil from the hemp plant. That's being used to provide relief to millions for joint discomfort inflammation and nagging injuries. It's the most talked about alternative health breakthrough years the CBD product. I always recommend comes from. Cd LABS THE GOLD STANDARD OF CBD CBD LABS. Oil goes to work fast to relieve your discomfort and deliver the results. 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We come to you so we appreciate you tuning in and I know that many of your home that versus out and about and so on what you to call if you have a car question or if you just have a comment or you want to talk about a local shop in your neck of the woods there your neighborhood across the nation that did you a good deed. Share that story okay. We're talking with Joseph and we're talking about changing oil and an an and a variety of other things so Joseph There's a doctor I forget. His last name I Apologize. It's been several years but He was a university of Michigan and he invented a device called Intel stick and Intel stick. Replaces the dipstick on engines and was connected to a computer about black box. And the Intel stick measured the amount of condensation in the oil. It measured the oil temperature. In fact it only started to take readings when the oil reached one hundred ten degrees Which is you know pretty quickly. And then it measured all of the oil. Oh if it would you know whether or not it would pass voltage or whether or not how much consistency viscosity thickness and things. Like that Show I was. I took part in it and there were one hundred five people across the nation that took part in that test. I was the number one oil in all of those now at the time I used in that engine mostly what I used Purple Purple Oil. I use it royal purple so I got a throat issue here so I use royal purple but what. I didn't tell what I didn't share was I also added to Royal Purple Booster shot at a Moose. Shot was another dose of an in fact it was twelve ounces of a straight synthetic oil additive so in essence I was adding more slick properties phosphorus and and other things that are used in racing engines to that oil and it was a program that I created an I invented and trademarked. And what this means is that in oils as in any coolant or differential gear lube or transmission fluid. There are additives that protect it in oil. There's just there's a detergents and There's viscosity improvers enhancers and There's a a chemicals that That stop friction not also telling you or at least reduce the friction. In fact there are additives that are used in racing oils. That are not legal for the street us. And so there's no oil that you can buy on the market today that meet that meets the same. Gosh I'm trying to juggle in here because I don't WanNa be due to technical if you if you're a NASCAR race engine the you do not use the same oil that any of us can by on the street fact the you know even though you know Castrol and Mobil One and all those all. Those oil manufacturer sponsor those race cars. This is not the same oil can that you and I used now. Having said that the reason for that is. Epa's determined that some of those chemicals damage catalytic converters so it is the manufacturers that guaranteed the Kennedy Converters for eight years ten eighty thousand miles ten years and their number one goal when they design a car and tuna car. Is Your Project Converter not for performance of the engine. Forget to project a catalytic converter I and emissions and then get mileage and then performance show. I'll say that in my car my records and what I did was. I would download wirelessly from this collection blackbox. Every Sunday night the weeks driving and then on Monday I would email those data to The company call Sit Institue Forum and that was another for profit organization that what you're going to sponsor This this Tell US stick anyway. Long Story Short. The the the reason for the was made for not for individuals because the unit was about five hundred dollars it was made for fleets so that a fleet of trucks. I say your ups or your Fedex and you got to one hundred trucks in a local city and they all come back to the Marne night and then they use a a boosted Wi fi that covered thousand feet not thirty feet Wifi coverage but a thousand feet and park does trucks in the yard at night. And all of that information downloaded and then in the next morning someone monitors the engine and so they know of one hundred trucks which top ten were overheated which oil had more sugar in it and so it was a. It is a fabulous way to determine and monitor the condition of the engines. So you actually now. We won that but in winning that and that was a I think it was six thousand mile test over. Some eight to ten months says will what it took me to put six thousand miles vehicle and as a result what. I got the report back ours. Was the number one in the nation and the reason is because I would supercharging the oil with Mussa shot and that's a fact and I know that's information that you didn't ask for but it's definitely engine oil at half life. Let's say you go. How how. How often you change Prius well. I haven't changed yet. 'cause like I said I just got in December and the sticker says Five thousand miles or six months right. I going to do five thousand miles and six months months. I'll change it right. Yes well I would. I would go six months. I'll do half half half year. And and if we had tested like I did my mini Cooper. We attested your oil and we looked at it. I got my report back and I knew that I had driven six thousand miles in this nine months or whatever it was and yet on the report it appeared as had driven twelve thousand miles and it was. It was what I'd measured is the number of hours that I've driven a car and when I looked at six or eight months or that I've driven and I knew that I driven a car at at the most an hour and a half a day I mean really it two hours a day and yet gone six thousand miles. How can you can you go? Eight hours didn't madge. Like like like a hobbs meter in in generator. The Hours tested did not match the miles driven. You see where I'm going and so so I mean if you drove one hundred miles an hour and you drove two hours you can only put two hundred miles a day if you only drove two hours even if you drove one hundred miles and yet my test showed that. I was driving five hours a day. And here's what I didn't realize here's a point a gun a total of around the barn here to get to the point. But here's a point. The measurement that was taken only oil started at one hundred ten degrees and went all the way to operating temperature to twenty to thirty to forty and it also continued to measure the oil until it came back to one hundred ten degrees so I never thought about that. Only thought about hey. I only drove four miles to work at only drove fifty miles or I'll drove three hundred miles but when you turn the car off in my mind well okay. Everything stops wear and tear stops. And what have you? That's not the case at all when an oil it gets hot and you turn the engine off. It stays hot in fact. The engine rises in temperature about thirty degrees. When you turn the engine off and it still continues to cook in Coke Oil in the combustion chambers or what have you so we all think we'll hey we've only driven like you. You're in six months. I won't draft six thousand five thousand miles and six months but but lo and behold every time you crank the car up in new drive and you turn it off there. Still activity going on because temperature doesn't go on and off. You know it builds up and then it cools off but it takes time and so it was kind of a revelation to me at two as to why condensation is such a factor in engines and why engines wear. And then. We've all heard the worst thing. You do. A stink starting engine. Because the first time he started engine to where all the wear is because there's no oil and the oil has to get to the far regions of the engine and that's a skinny oil or five w tourney oil or zero twenty oil. It's so important and now with the G. L. Six rating of oil. You're going to see zero sixteen oil and zero eight what that means is the heaviest viscosity of Zero Sixteen is sixteen weight and and you know sixteen has custody and so why why then can we use oil. That is so thin it's because the tolerances in today's engines are so tight and that means that the engine last longer but it also means that the engine puts out fewer emissions. Because there's no combustion pressure not not not as much getting by the rings because the. Rings are tighter seal. So it's it's really amazing to me at the technology that's going on in engines and I'll tell you a fob. Yo producer and. He's on his second preists. He put an reasons on his second because of the first one it got totaled. I mean although it had some pretty rough look and paint on it I I joke with him about all the time but he he put two thousand miles on that vehicle and the only thing you really ever did to. It was a put a battery in it at two hundred thousand miles. So it's just amazing so you'll you'll have a long enjoyable relationship and use out of that press we have replaced an ABS module in one of those previous cars and that was rather expensive because we had to take Jonny had to take the windshield wiper motor and a cow apart and part of the engine and You know I got a picture of him. What his hand waving from the inside of the car through the whole in a firewall where the mass owner was because it was all one unit that was expensive. It was expensive repair. But that's about the only that and a front wheel bearing at sixty thousand miles on another previous or the only two and a couple of water pump jobs or the only two that I can think of that Were expensive repairs but anyway. Hey thanks for your call and and Any other questions. I'll be dancer. I got one more quick question for you to get answers for me. The transmission oil dipstick. I've been on Youtube. I've been in the owners manual. Nothing addresses where it is. Does it have a transmission? Oil dipstick hit does not. They manufacture point via manufacturers have stopped using dipstick almost all together and the way we service a transmission Well there's two different ways to services transmission and when I come back from the break I'll share that with you It's very important for those of you. 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Remember if you have a coolant leak water pump gasket. You name it. Don't just see it okay. We're talking with Joseph and I'll invite you call triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six so Josiah one last point about transmission checking fluid since there's no dipstick check fluid. Well you do not have a transmission leak and it's easy enough to determine Then there's no necessary. It's not necessary to Check the fluid level. Because there's no way for the fluid to be leaking unless the radiator cooling system and there's a heater core or a cooling core inside the radiator with accidents. Both it heats up to the sea. The transmission fluid in it also cool the transmission fluid and so there are lines running from transmission automatic transmission to the radiator. Sometimes that core within the radiator core will leak and you'll get transmission fluid in the coolant and of course you know that because you can see it in the overflow and it it's milky and notre things but my enlarge that that's not common these days show. How do we check fluid when we exchange a news we have a machine when we serve transmissions so that machine has a imagine propane gas tank and what we do is we'll put fifteen courts twelve courts of transmission fluid in that propane? It looks like a gas tank but is separated in haves. And there's a rubber bladder that separates the new fluid from the Oh fluid and so the machine then with the engine running of your vehicle. The machine will pump the action vehicle pumps fluid out of CO because we hook it to the coolant line out of the transmission and wouldn't that fluid goes out it pushes against the bladder and for every ounce of old fluid pushes out of that. It pushes new fluid in and we use even if the transmission only held ten courts. We would use twelve quarts of fluid so that you don't get any oh fluid mixed in with a new because in essence you're still putting new fluid in transmission when you have some old fluid in it so that works really well and I would say it's probably ninety five percent of the O- fluid out and for a long time. People thought well that causes problems. If you've got an some of those Transmission fluid exchange machines had pumps on their own Because like a Ford afford doesn't have a lot of pressure on the coolant lines and they will take forever to change in service a transmission and a lot of cars so that was a that was not the case at all though can't damage a transmission by taking oath fluid out and putting new fluid in and you're not going to damage a transmission by stirring up. Everything is on the bottom of the Pan because there's no reason for anything that's laying into by the pan to be stirred up anyway so having said all that With regard to how to test it if you take ten courts out and you put ten courts in you don't need to check fluid but what if what if it's a drain and feel or what if you had to fix a leak and you just had to top it off. You know no words you only you pull the PAN to put a new Pan gasket or you for whatever reason you pull. The rear extension seal had to replace a missing a lot of those oil pans in today's tr- automate transmissions are not there to drain the floor of the Pan. A A standpipe in that recess and so when you take the plug out nothing comes out unless there's too much fluid and then the fluid drains because that plug only exposures and at a pipe that is welded and extends up. Maybe an inch and a half on the bottom of whatever level. You you understand what I'm saying. Yeah so that's that's how.

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Howard Stern's Interview with Tom Brady, Some Sports are Sending a Bad Message, Death of John Prine

The Steve Warne Project - Sports

35:10 min | 1 year ago

Howard Stern's Interview with Tom Brady, Some Sports are Sending a Bad Message, Death of John Prine

"It's the S. W. P. Project Sports in whatever and is presented in part by all Insurance Ontario. Insurance is one of those things most people don't like dealing with but that's because finding the right insurance can be a pain at all insurance Ontario. We take the pain out of it will find you the best plans and rates for you. Text me at eight six zero six zero zero eight or visit dot ca all insurance Ontario. Your modern boutique broker everyone. Welcome to the WP podcast. Thank you for landing on our little podcast planet filled with Wondrous Tales of sports. And whatever Steve Warne and Jim Jerome. Always engaging in physical distancing on different sides of the continent here on the nation's capital. Jimmy is out west coming up today on the show we might get to some of this stuff always regret doing the headlines. Because I feel like you know. We'll get to have them but we're planning maybe getting to Gary Bettman talking about whether or not the regular season is still possible. Tom Brady shooting back at those. Think he left New England. Appro- Can Win Without Bill. Belichick got Some this day in history stuff sad news about John. Prime legendary singer songwriter who sadly passed away from covert agent seventy-three and much more here on the WPA our final show of the podcast week. Get a long weekend coming James. Our you come home late and you come home early. Come home big. When you're feeling small road in new. They look speed of the sound loneliness John Prime Stevie right there. I'm GonNa edit everything you just did it there for the actual John Crime. It's funny it's funny. You bring that up not funny. He died. I'm not laughing at you know. I'm not doing that but I hooked into him the last couple of months. I still I love live music. And it's it's becoming rare probably read probably records. I don't go much anymore but when I first came down the far I've often referenced it of the Sidetrack and the guy who owned had one one deal when he when he opened the bar when he took it over. Someone else said I'm going to. I'm going to have live entertainment seven nights a week. Three hundred sixty five days a year both This guy was right into music and great bands. That tastic so I I loved it down there and let me say on average twice a night. John over John No. I don't think John Primaries ever. They're much but the rolling stones popped in there one night after a concert and a lot of these guys take whereas a bar where it was a vital after you know and I was there when they pulled up in front. The stones in a limo. I was outside. I don't know what I was doing. Smoking drinking smoking drinking. I looked out the window and I said look at that guys. Dressed up like Mick Jagger no but that was them and cool. They came in and jumped up and played a little. Imagine that Steve Magin the Rolling Stones Anyway so I love the live music and and I try and go to as much as I can. I still know a bunch of guys around here musicians and I went when I was visiting Ottawa. The last time I went with my sister to the is it the Edinburgh pub the new Edinburgh Pub in venue. Their rights Something like that. You're correct and I went and saw guy and he he played this unbelievable tune. You know Really guys who is that man? That's fantastic John Price on so that was several months ago. Anyway I got right into John Prime in the last little while and then I said have never I certainly had heard of the guy. Anyway he said to me off fair. Yeah he's a cross between cash and and Bob Dylan and that's a perfect perfect explanation of the guy I I mean I'm not like skimming that off. I I was listening to quite a bit of John Prime because I felt bad because when I heard he died from Cova the I initially saw the tributes pouring in from all these major acts and like I guess I should know who this guy is because I didn't know anything about him to be honest and The first thing I noticed was how few songs I'd heard of like I was looking for a hit someone and he's actually quite a good songwriter. And the one hit I could find was George Strait's I just WanNa dance with you beyond that. I didn't know much about his discography and listened to quite a bit of his stuff and that was the best explanation. I could come up with kind of a combination of the two hundred also. We had a character that we had in studio for a long time. He'd pop in randomly once in a while in beer store. Bob and sure I wouldn't suggest you that beer store. Bob would probably know John Prime quite well. 'cause I almost hurry little of beer store Bob when I'm listening to John Prime? Yeah John John Pine like Johnny Cash like Bob Dylan James Taylor like a lot of country guys. You don't you. Don't listen to them for their band. You know it's like a solo act a guy in his guitar in his voice you know He's he's he's I think he's written apparently tons of songs but I really liked him by the way beer store Bob. Now lives in Calgary a nice living down there. Yeah had you saw him yes right. Yeah he's he's he's an actor. Paul Woods is his name by the way right. Are you supposed to do that? Steve giveaway a character name after all those years. I think it's a problem. I mean it's not like he was giving away a magician or anything right. Who's a friend of mine from Edmonton the end up living in Ottawa? For a while and then singer songwriter actor written written some tunes himself. And now he's kind of retired. Living in Calgary anyway. Well those are. Those are Great Memories. Great habits absolutely and then was Who's the other Guy Bobby Cameron? What's he bobby? Cameron Bobby lives here in Edmonton. He's he's he's from Cape Breton. I met him out here. He's been out here for years And he he was living there. His wife got transferred. She was with the Post Office and got transferred to Ottawa. When I was living in. And he's he's multitalented. Bob Wicked Guitar Player. Wicked Guitar Player and And for those who the analysts Joe he would be you know beer store Bob. Bobby Cameron these guys. They friends of yours that we brought in on the show and they would sit in generally on Fridays. And we'd have some fun. We'd have live music as we went to commercial and all that and another another one time because I think you were at the bar drinking with them the night before and they pretty notoriously good career in Canada anyway. It was Sons of Maxwell. You know what's become of them. What a good memory of guy forgot about them. Yeah I saw them at a brier and one of the one of them went to school at Carlton there. 'cause they're from the maritimes as well. I don't know what happened to. They were super popular man when when they were right on the cost pair of Celtic music and They're great act great totally great. I can tell you that one of them one of the brothers because they're both sons Guy Maxwell But one of the brothers. He ended up having a a major viral hit on Youtube. Called United Breaks Guitars brains. It's I guess. United he just saw looking at the window. He saw united shucking around all the luggage like it was worthless bales as he sees his guitar case. And the just throwing it around like crazy and then he got it back at the end of the flight and it was like destroyed and so he tried to get it all together and united treated them like crap so respond to the thing was to have a song called United Breaks Guitars and his very catchy and it went. Oh absolutely viral. Right you were you. Were going to bring your guitar in the plane. But you didn't do the visit and now you know the rest of the story deed. Now you're bringing up old guys old story so. I don't know I'M GONNA I'm GonNa find out and find out what happened. The Great Guys Super Humble guys were really down to beer-drinking Fun Lovin Party guys. You know and speaking of Now you know the rest of the story is Paul. Harvey is that voice right so everyone knew him in Canada with with that clip. You know he would always always have these little vignettes. A boy living in a small town right with small houses people with front porches and swings. It was Andy Griffith and now you know the rest of the story and not little hockey playing boy grew up to be Wayne Gretzky. That's right yeah that's right. They always ended with that so I looked up the other day Paul Harvey. He's he passed away a few few years back. But maybe maybe ten years I don't I don't know He. He went into work. He did all his own bits. That was one thing that he did but he also read news. I think for ABC or he lived in Chicago incredible story. This incredible story lived in Chicago and went in every morning at three thirty two to do all. The news hits figure out the stories so popular. Steve was that guy at his height. And this is way back. Then this will drive you nuts. Working Radio your whole life. He signed a deal. Reportedly worth five million a year back. Then I'm not kidding. I'M NOT KIDDING. You Yeah Yeah. That wasn't exactly skilled labor that he had gone there. I think somebody could do that. Look at Wikipedia. Find a bunch of information about a famous person. Oh that's a little off the page. I'll start with all the off the page stuff and then end with the big reveal at the end. There's really not much to it and Paul Harvey with all due respect. Not exactly the best voice I ever heard either all your voice. I didn't mind his voice now just goes to show you know. Everyone always says that when they hear these wildly successful stories about guys. They always go like this. I fuck. I could've done that right like I know you. Didn't you know I always said that I can come? I could've done that but you know you didn't do it. So Anyway isn't that isn't that crazy crazy amount of money. Totally speaking of that Steve. I watched it last night. Pretty good. I'll be the judge of that birth of the cool. Yeah Miles Davis Trumpet Player. Great story good good story like Long One. Two hour documentary But in my quest to find great netflix things. That's a good one for skin little different than the good. There's the good and the bad of Miles Davis which which will leave sort of a holy fuck guy was a bad dude but really not a very good guy but he I mean everyone talks about how he's started be bought music in the style of music that that even even rock and roll sort of swiped from that what he did what he did in music. So it's good. It's very good. Yeah as with John Pride. I just don't know much about his music at all but Always interested in a good documentary. Might have a look at that are. Let's jump in today. Get onto the sport side of things and I thought this was kind of an interesting story and reminded me a little bit of what you've been talking about the last couple of days in that we've talked about the UFC kind of boldly and maybe irresponsibly carrying on business. As usual. Major event happening a week from Saturday. Not Business as usual agency that because they won't have any fans major league baseball looking to try and get things going with this weird Arizona plan in May Gulf putting it out there when they might return to action with big full schedule and this one medical expert though and I'm sure there are others as well that I'm GonNa talk about here but agrees with you completely and it's basically saying He's saying knock this off. It's ridiculous the guy's name is Gary Slatkin. Maybe it's pronounced Lukin but anyways the former director of intervention development at the World Health Organization. He's worked on epidemics including TB cholera AIDS. Ebola for the last thirty years and this was his quote. Every epidemic is surrounded by false and wrong and counterproductive messages. We actually call those messages. Misinformation of myths and mischief. I don't think this is mischief but I do think it is false hopes and definitely wishful thinking but it's counterproductive to what we need to do. We all desperately wants sports back. There are greatest unifier and our best distraction short of that we want the promise of their return or a date or time frame that we can cling to for when life will be back to normal and the gist of it. Is he saying you know what it's it's harmful it's harmful symbol because it's giving people a full sense of security that they can go and get back to normal and that everything is safe when all these major sports leagues are talking about? Yup? We're we're coming back here. We go back to normal yet like for me. There's no ambiguity here with the you know there's no there's no blurring of lines here. What's supposed to be happening? You know So I don't know what what the World Health Organization or our. Our leaders have to say to get everyone to understand this you know particularly celebs and people in the people in the limelight like like Commissioners of Sports Leagues or or or owners of teams and Shit like that. Where they're saying. Okay well let here. Here's what here's what they're taking away. Steve from the warning from from the health side. Well we gotTA figure out a way we can still have the game and I'm just saying it's gotta be the complete opposite of that. It's gotta be the complete opposite. There's no games here. How are we gonNA figure out that we can be an example for other people to stay safe and the best example would be canceling everything like the British Open? They did and other stuff you know. I think I think the best idea that I've heard Steve for people to try and get their head around it. Who are not there yet who think they can not social distance or go for a walk hugging fucking wife and Shit like that. Okay is act like you have the virus right? Okay Act like you have the virus and you're that whole idea will change if you're Dana White wherever this guy is with UFC. Let's talk talk to me now if all your guys have the virus and the reality is you're right they the influence there if you're say as UFC disciple and you'll love everything about it. You are almost assuredly not treating this whole pandemic quite as seriously as you might if the UFC had gone into full lockdown mode as well well white my heroes are getting back to work and getting around other people and treating it as more business as usual than the rest of the world is so maybe I will too so yeah. It's definitely not a good thing. Yeah knock it off. The guy says knock it off your. We AREN'T HAVING EVENTS. No no that's not the. That's not the drill here when and where and what adjustment and all that. Shit you can make no. It's done kaput. Nanno now in other news. I know you're you're Howard Stern Guy. Right love Howard Stern. I know I'm a big Fan and we've talked about it. On previous episodes about how underrated a broadcaster and interview. The freaking guy is still if you're listening to a show as I do. You'll know that he's super crude. But not as bad as he was in the meantime he has developed into a world-class interviewer. He had Tom Brady on this week. And it was a two hour wide ranging interview with Brady new quarterback with the Tampa Bay buccaneers age. Forty two now. He'll be forty-three when the season starts and I'm sure it comes as no surprise to you. James that stern was even a guy who's really conservative like. Tom Brady never really gives too much of himself. That stern was able to get some good stuff out of him with two hours. Holy Jesus wow wow why. That's that's well to our interview with one guy that's that's that's crazy For Not Being Charlie rose here you know or one of these interview kings. He's as good as Charlie rose in my book. And that's saying right or is is to your point you know I'd love Howard Stern best compliment I ever had. Steve was somewhere. Is some article someone wrote about are showing saying that the jungles the Howard Stern of Ottawa? Or something I just couldn't believe what that guy sand and what he did back to that he was the you know the original shock jock right and always always around the water cooler. It was like what did he say? Yeah Yeah you know He. He called the guy. Steve Guy With Down Syndrome or guy was mentally. Handicapped had him on his show Stuttering John or there was another guy that he had on there. And and you're like it's gotta be a joke right like no no no no. He actually had this guy on and as as one of guests on the show how he got away with it. I don't know but Yeah he still dabbles in that he calls at the wack pack and he has a number of interesting characters. David Letterman right. Has that series on Netflix. One on one interviews and Howard. Stern was one of his guests. And it's really good. There's there's a movie to Howard Stern movie. Yep longtime ago private parts. Yeah there you go so Yeah I don't know how you do that. You know I don. I don't know how this guy consistently has these interviews and makes guys talk about things that they probably said a long time. We can talk about anything except that. Do not go there okay. I won't do it. Stirring goes like this okay. We're going there right away and Blah Blah Blah. You know he's a and then some of the questions he's just he's just a natural at it and he even got Tom. Brady talking about penises at one point Basically say you know I hate it only I'd hate it if I showered all these guys and stuff and Brady got loose on that as well saying. Yeah it'd be nice to have dividers. It's twenty twenty. We don't necessarily need to be you know ten guys with no dividing between us and stuff. So gang showering shoving. He also talked about some football issues. And I think the biggest thing that people talk about Tom Brady when he goes to Tampa Bay. Why did he do that exactly? And I think as we speculate one of the things that people come up with is you know what I think. He wants to go out there and prove that he can win without Bill Belichick and actually brady was a little ticked off about that. He said I think an end was last time your Tom Brady swear he said. I think it's a pretty shitty argument. That people would say that because again. I can't do his job. That's Bill Belichick. And he can't do mine the fact that you could say. Would I be successful without bill? Belichick have the same level of success. I don't think I would have been but I feel the same vice versa as well have him allowed to have him allowed me to be the best that I could be so I'm grateful for that and I very much believe he feels the same way about me because we've expressed that to each other and so they went down a number of different roads. That were pretty interesting but I think that was probably the biggest thing because a lot of people believe that's why he went to Tampa Bay. Yeah it's funny that they bring that up in football you know with with Tom. Brady and the Bella Chuck Brady deal and you know that without without each other they wouldn't have won those championships right. That's all fine and Dandy until you look at other superstars a little bit with a little bit with grads right where they said okay. We'll say they're save their Gretzky You know Lethal Combo But I'm GonNa Fuck I you know. I don't know how much savings but you don't hear about it. Steve. You don't hear about it with Michael Jordan for example You know the longtime coach there the Bulls Magic Johnson Larry Bird when it comes to basketball Lebron James You don't you don't hear all this deal of not for that coach got this would have never happened but for some reason the brady ballot check things been around for so long. I'm like now. Fuck Brady would've been able to do this. Shit you know the half decent coach Swell Bill. Belichick has a body of work before the Brady Bellichik Union right. This guy was a head coach in different. Stop stops and well. He couldn't win a super bowl anywhere else until he got to New England. So it's a great union. I think it it probably doesn't happen if Bella chick is in New England. And it doesn't happen without Tom Brady I think. Brady's exactly right and describes the circumstances perfectly. You look at a guy like Scotty Bowman. He's an interesting character because I don't know what to make him exactly. The Guy had many stops in the NHL and he won cups with three different teams. Right Montreal we all know And then he he had time in Detroit and he had time in. Pittsburgh which leads. Beat people say well he must be in Buffalo. Didn't he well in Buffalo? That'll be part to Because Buffalo his time there was just okay. didn't get close to winning a Stanley Cup and he went to the Stanley Cup. Final with the Saint Louis. Blues three straight years in their expansion years but boy at the same time. Talk about in Montreal Detroit and Pittsburgh like just absolute dynasties with Hall of Famers Galore on each of those three teams. You want kilo fleur you want. Steve is Herman you want. Mario Lemieux like that like just such a blessed coach for the great cards that he was consistently dealt. Yeah you you know you have to look at these things like anomalies the Brady ballot check deal orb or even to this day in sports right today. There's a couple of records era hank. Aaron and Tiger Woods won his fourth major in a row. You know those are just incredible Unique single achievements that. You'll never see again. You know that that that just won't happen you know. And if they do it's very rare you know and people try and they wanted again right they they want to see a repeat of this right. It's okay but you're asking for the fucking world here for another Michael Jordan or Lebron or or whoever else. Tom Brady You Know Joe Montana G- in in in football it's like in the entertainment things Steve were were. Something comes along and it's an incredible act. You Know I. It's just like the there. Was the little kid who played the Ukulele and she won the Million Bucks. Air On whatever it is has got and say grace vendors something. That's right Van Vander vendor something. She came on as a fucking eleven year old twelve year old or something and knocked it out of the park knocked the parks ritual song. I don't know my name boom look at that there. You go there you go. I don't know my name deeply exactly right So what happens after that? This chick wins the mill. The story just gets bigger and bigger and she's a superstar now. She traveling around. I follow her on twitter so I see it pop up from time to time. So what happens right? After that Stevens people go holy shit honey. Get Gertrude down from upstairs and go buy or Ukulele. Were jumping on this train here. Okay we're going to do it. And and thousands of kids went online playing a ukulele bright. Not Going to happen didn't didn't happen. It works because it works so the unique talent not short shit but you need a bunch of luck for time and people try and recreate stuff and you probably know lots of examples of of things like just don't work. They won't work again with different people. They won't work with the different producer. You need you need all that shit to lineup the radio show Steve the three guys on the radio that we did right. It was just fuck was a bunch of luck. The timing that we came together you know skill talent all that shit right. That was a bunch of it. It'll just never be the same right. You can't repeat it. The thing that you can't repeat is that We've moved into such a politically correct world and everybody gets so upset and hurt and basically stuff that we used to be able to joke about freely. that would just make make people fall out of their chair. Now it's taboo there so many taboos here in twenty twenty that it really. Kinda neuters you. It's like you know putting a silencer on your gun and so that's definitely changed things and I think it's for the better in the big picture because you know what I really. I mean at the end of the day. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. I really that's always been a thing of mine. I WANNA I WANNA try and make people laugh without there being a victim and that's it was it to clearly but it happened that way back on the show. Sometimes it was that sometimes it was victimless. But when when there's no holds barred then you're a lot freer you're not constantly worrying you know in mid sentence worrying is what. I'm saying now getting me in hot water now in twenty twenty so I found it was easier and it flowed better back in the day because you weren't worried. Yeah and that show was super successful right for you know. Everyone brought their unique talent to the thing and I remember. You know when that thing peaked. Right I remember. One of the problems was the that the. Am morning show that we were on was beaten up some of their FM stations? Right which is just. We can't fuck in have this. You know we spend way more money on magic and all these other stations but but it worked because it worked and I remember after when when we did though he had a great runner. I did as long as I was going to. Last you lost weight longer but you to go do this Jimmy out of that. You GotTa go do this or do at nighttime talk show or to fucking tried all this and I said it's not GonNa work you know it's not GonNa Work Don Cherry okay. Who had the fantastic run? Don Cherry Ron Maclean. If they try and repeat that won't work Steve. It won't work it. It just came out of left field when it started that. Don was this buffoon. Knucklehead racist You know not very bright almost sounding illiterate when you know had no no technical ability or no ability to to do be a guest on this. I'm fumbling through my words here but no experience right doing. Tv or anything. He didn't know what camera. Look the fucking thing was a smash hit smash hit and if the NFL tries to replace. That ain't gonNA work. It ain't GonNa work no matter what you do so lot. Lots of. They haven't tried though. I mean I guess they feel the same way you do in that It's not really something we can repeat here. We can't go keep coach's corner going with maybe a different coach or some other analysts. Call it something else. It really haven't really tried to do anything with Ron Maclean. Between periods they do the panel thing But there just isn't this. Isn't anybody like him for sure. It's lightning in a bottle and it's a once in a lifetime and you can't replicate some things. Let's take time out. We're going to be here in the final episode of Our podcast week. Remy back with final thoughts will also have kind of a chuckle moment of a chuckle moment. That's that's really good talking Stephen Chuckle moment. We're GONNA chuckle moment. Everybody will also. We'll also hear from the Great Tracy. Morgan who was on the Today. Show live from quarantine. And maybe a little too edgy for the folks on the today show. So that's coming up next after. These words insurance is one of those things most people don't like dealing with but that's because finding the right insurance can be a pain at all insurance Ontario. We'd take the pain out of it will find you the best plans and rates for you. Text me at eight six zero six zero zero eight or visit dot ca all insurance Ontario. Your modern boutique broker and the S. Wbz podcast is also presented by the Glenn Walton Real Estate Team. Glenis you to safely assist Ottawa. With Virtual Home Showings online plus that great friendly experienced real estate guidance. That you need that we've been telling you about the Glenn Walton. Real Estate Team is hoping that you and your family are staying safe and healthy and looks forward to serving you during this difficult time. Checkout Glenn Walton Dot com today. Certainly one of the funnier guys I think is is Tracy. Morgan and I don't know why they had him on exactly. But they just checked in with Tracy Morgan on the today. Show live from quarantine and Let's see how you doing tracey and dealing with this quarantine and Tracy served this up a well. Me and my wife been quarantined in it for like three weeks. Oh she pregnant three times. Every week she got pregnant. Okay so you know. We also roleplaying a lot. Now go playing. She planned a young maiden grandfather was infected with corona virus. And I'm the scientist who discovered a cure and she'll do anything to save grandfather's like anything. Well you are a our creative live good. Were imprint. Nudity three times this week? Is Tracy Morgan on the today show always a barrel of laughs? Live maybe edgy for his ACO. I you just gave me a great idea though because you brought up Howard. Stern was a show and the today show It'd be really. It'd be really good to have to say okay. We're GONNA TAKE NORMAL GUESTS. Okay from the today show right safe guests that they have right they go there the fucking people they go on a limb the producer of the today show. Let's go let's take a little chance and let's bring on Tracy Morgan guy for little raw. Okay stand up comic and it lucky completely goes into the ditch right away you know. That's a great idea. Have because you know those the guests they have shows are fucking lame reactors. You don't get much out of them. You know Tom Brady right. Who did on Howard Stern that they should have? That should be a deal all the time. Steve that you're going to have on a really sort of safe. Yes but you gotTa Howard. Stern's interview them. Okay Yeah Anyway I I do like it though. It's anytime you have that sort of. It's such a Uber. Polished Product. The today show and it's all scripted and it's all organized and their million people working on that show and soda kind of throw a character like Tracy Morgan into into the mix. I think it It really works for me as a viewer because I just find it. I don't know all too sweet. I get cavities when I watched the show. So let's Aleve today with a little tribute to John Prime. What's the song you WanNa play? Here it's called the site speed of the sound of loneliness. My favorite John Prior to the legendary singer songwriter who sadly passed away from covert at age. Seventy three will leave you with a little John Prime Goodnight. Everybody will see come on late. Come on big smile. Come Home Stream Come Home Tan Stone. Come home at all whereas. Komo one in Heaven's name had been broken. The speed of sound loneliness there on just beyond.

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Brad Paisley

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

39:00 min | 4 months ago

Brad Paisley

"Guys willie geist here with another episode of the sunday. Sit down podcast. My thanks as always for clicking and listing along excited to bring you this one this week. He is three time grammy award winning country music superstar. Brad paisley i just got back from nashville. Last night was down there. Shooting a couple interviews including one with brad paisley and we shot it. Oh my gosh. What a thrill on stage at the reimann auditorium which is known as the mother church of country music. If you've never been in nashville when you go make time to stop at the reimann. It is a cathedral literally. It was a church so the seats inside our pews. There are stained glass windows upstairs when you stand on that stage first of all you feel the history of every artist who's ever had a name in country music who stood on that stage but also just looking out at the pews. It's tight room with great acoustics watching the sun stream through the stained glass windows. Absolutely incredible. So brad paisley and i sat on that stage and chatted The room were I flew in and got ready in this room. Backstage at the reimann. It was the johnny and june cash room where they spent a lot of time. And there's a picture on the wall of johnny cash and elvis presley must have been late fifties early sixties arm-in-arm backstage mike. God can you imagine what they'd been up to that night so there's just so much history in that beautiful beautiful venue and It was great to talk to brad as he was getting ready to perform a fourth of july concert on lower broadway downtown nashville the estimate three hundred thousand people to be at that show so we got to talking about his journey. He's got this song out called city of music. Which is the story of a musician who comes to nashville. Like him and like just about every other musician with that dream with a guitar. Not quite knowing what to do with it. How are they going to get their way to the top. How are they going to become their hero. That person they listened to on the radio and he did it So great to talk to him about that about how he spent his time during the pandemic with his wife. The actor you all know kimberly williams paisley. She was in father of the bride. There's a little story behind that how he loved that movie and eventually met her and cast her in a video. Also the work The couple does with an organization called the store which they founded a right around the time right before the pandemic head around the time the tornadoes that devastated nashville head and they just opened it up to people who needed food food insecurity and ended up now since then in a year and a half delivering one point five million meals to people who need them so a great guy who you know from commercials you know from hosting the. Cma's he's funny. He's got personalities a big baseball fan and one of the most popular musicians on the planet so picture us on stage at the historic reimann auditorium. This is brad paisley on the sunday. Sit down podcast brad. Thanks for doing this man. I'm thrilled to welcome to nashville. Thank you it's good to be back. I feel like we do in our right now in baseball. But i guess we should talk about music. We should probably do that. You went to Vanderbilt tonight as a matter of fact in a matter of hours. Vanderbilt's plane for the college world series. Exciting i'm rooting for him. Are in ought to be there so formidable and they've created a dynasty and their classy and everything about it. It's just really need to watch and it's been fun as vandy fan to have something we can hang our hat on. We used to just jason everybody you know and to be the big dog right now. It's like you only go to you. Go to vanda vanderbilt football games to see the other team a lot of times. I hate to say but it's true. That's great. I mean pick the lsu game usually or alabama. Let's talk some music. We have to start with where we're sitting right now. I mean it's it. Is the mother church. She must look out there for people who haven't been people who may not appreciate fully what this means to to music. Wise it so special. Well it goes all the way back to sort of the birth of what country music is. I mean very few places that sort of central location where you can kinda say. This was the cauldron and this was the place where the operas started really just as a radio show and they needed a venue and went to war memorial and it went to i mean. They started lining up outside the radio station. They were really well. We we're gonna play this for people we should figure out a spot. This became the first sort of real home and people that made their debut on the stage from hank williams on it really did set the tone for what would be this music. I mean they were trying to figure it out. Like what are we. Do we have drums. Do we not they. They weren't real happy about drums in the beginning in this format. They were real mad. When boots ran tried to play the saxophone. I mean it was really it was like what are we and we discovered that in this building. The building also goes all the way back to the eighteen hundreds and this was. This was a church. And there's something really there's just something incredibly sacred about it. I was sitting upstairs and addressing room. And there's a picture of johnny cash and elvis. Yeah standing in the wings right over there. When they kicked elvis out of here he came and played the opera and they they weren't happy they didn't like what he did which is too bad. But you know those are those are amazing stories now not his crowd. Shortly after johnny cash did a few things have made a bad. We have a history of that. Well i was just thinking though. I mean it must as an artist not weigh on you but you must feel the history when you walk on and stand on this stage. Remember the first time you did it. And what was that like. Yeah so. I played the opry when i was a new artist. I at the new opera house which is also magical. It's that's been there. Since the year i was born. So we're talking about something that is more of its more state of the art. It's a little less sort of it. Has less of the of the ghosts of this place but it has its own. It's since then become its own place. But when i finally played here somewhere in the season of opera shows they moved here and i came in. Played Yeah you get a feeling that you are carrying a lot on your shoulders being on the stage you wanna make sure that what you do like if you're going to mess up don't mess up here because you're going to mean musicians mess up so this is like a clam on this. That feel like pressure when you step out here. Oh yeah absolutely this is. This is singing at a wedding. This is one of those you know like the the other thing that's really fun is the way it feels the audience. It sounds great here. I mean you know and so much alchemy goes into making some place magical making music. Be something different venues matter. I mean these were taken away for a year and a half from all of us venues we could only listen to recorded music and watch stuff on youtube zoom and whatever and you forget something about being in the air of a place that was missing or you're going from zero to a million which is a year and a half of doing nothing to a couple of blocks from here on the fourth of july. You're going to be playing for two three hundred thousand people out in these streets on lower broadway. Yeah who knows. I mean it's however many it'll hold. I bet i mean. I'm not going to take full credit for that. I think when you when you take something away for a year and a half and you know basically go down there they could. They could do a local community theater. Production of yankee dandy have three hundred thousand people. I think people just want to get outside right but this is going to be a special day on the fourth of july for you to sort of say we're back music's back nashville is back. How did it all come together. We were gonna play last year. That was the original plan. We were kind of booked before there was a pandemic and then it hit. And i'll never forget in march when all hell broke loose and they pulled the rug out from all of us and said no tours. Let's all stay home. And i remember saying this is great couple of months. You know we'd back in june. You know here we are you know finally and so luckily we were able to kick the can down the road and do it now and this is so amazing to have the the miracle of somehow getting the virus under control in this country and the the ability to safely do this and the ability to celebrate that that we are. You know that we're able to kind of get back together. And i also think about i mean you look. Country music was hit. It was hit hard in its economic ways where it was like. No shows p bans. There were musicians delivering pizza. You know that we're doing anything. They could We lost joe jiffy to this disease. We lost charley pride. We lost john prime during this disease. We lost charlie daniels. You know it's hard to it's hard to properly process and mourn that and all of that goes into walking out on that stage for me you know. What was it like for that year. And a half for a guy who's spent the last twenty years or so on the road make an album. You go out and tour behind it and you get that feeling of being on stage. What did it do you not just professionally but being home all that time and not being able to do what you do. It did a lot. I mean it it. It wasn't all bad. Yeah i mean. I've never spent a summer largely home with my kids. And what a great time in their lives to do that. When you know at like eleven and thirteen to be able to go and spend that time you know so that part was was great but there was a lot of fear none of us knew what we were dealing with the beginning really and i. I remember when the schedule went from all these things on my calendar to from nothing every now and then a birthday. I i mean like right so and so's birthday as it. Yeah so i mean. I don't know it it made. You really can't your blessings i think. And for me and and We found creative ways to stay together as a band and Stay together as a married couple. My wife had to get it like it's like okay. Well i guess now we're going to be together all the time. So let's figure this out. How do you do it. Well you joke about it but there is some truth in that by the way we have kids exactly the same age minister just turned fourteen. My son's about to turn twelve. It's great and so we had that same experience of. Oh my gosh is is terrible. Tragedy happening out in the world that let's take this one blessing of of being together and spending time together and You and kimberly found found new ways to enjoy each other's company. Yeah i actually like her. That was was forced to confront so she knew that a long time ago i knew that she's i don't know if she's still sure yet but it doesn't matter no it's great she we really. We had a pretty good time. I mean we got creative. We would have you know. We sort of bubble did a bubble with mom and dad's so we would have dinner over their house one day and they come over to our house another day and then we'd you know go outside. Eat in the field and set up a picnic with the family and do that. I don't know it was. It was a lot of what it must have been like to to be a settler a little bit. I mean it's it's like. I don't i don't know it's finding creative ways to entertain yourself and the other aspect of it for me was just. I think i got to know. Fans better because zoom. I mean zoom and the technology that we all use throughout where you would get together face to face it but you know face to face on a screen with someone. I started to answer zoom requests. When i was board which was a lot and next thing you know. There's a woman who's just had her last cancer treatment. Who's a big fan. And she's like we beyond this. While i ring the bell on the cancer floor and same with you guys covered the story where i bought a bunch of beer for the the guys and up in new york The best friends black and white. Hey come have a beer for the neighborhood. And we're actually flying them. The nashville for the full really. They're going to be at the show them. I'm gonna bring him out on and saying no beer and say member them. That's awesome for to town. That's beginning of these folks. you know i. I know what pajamas my fans wear. I know you know what i mean. I know what artwork they prefer in their homes. And what kind of mounted animals they have on the wall and it's awesome. I mean got to know them. Better than i think i ever did in a meet and greet but one of the other things you did. Which was extraordinary. Was this the store which you in kim put together if my numbers are right or something like a million and a half meals and it goes back to the tornado i know it predated cove and a little bit. But you buy a week. Was it only a week. Yeah yeah. I guess that's right. It was crazy so a long time ago. Kim and i took our kids volunteer at a charity and santa barbara called unity shop which was similar to what we saw. And i said this needs to be in nashville. So we got a group of really smart people together and formed a board of directors and said this is our objective and a lot of them came and visited. And we're like that's a great idea so we got everything in place. I went to belmont my old alma mater and said what do you think we could have kids work in this place. They'll see hunger firsthand the learn something in college. That's way beyond academics. And and fisher at the time loved it and said let's do this and we built that from the ground up in its spot over there on twelfth and we got it all going and we got our permits like the last week of february first week of march to open. Wow and we were gonna do a soft rollout and make sure everything worked and then announced we were open and have like a grand opening and invite people like you to come cover it and say here's what we're doing and instead tornadoes hit downtown and we we just did an announcement said it. You know if you need food. We're open so people showed up for that and then a week later. The nba walked off court and baseball. Spring training was cancelled. And i was in canada doing a show. And i had one more show. Because i was playing moose gel which i'm of moves. John knows there was a pandemic. i don't think they know it up there. But but i got to play one more show before i came back here knowing that's probably it and then we had to pivot and figure out. How do you do this. Feed people in a pandemic. How do you who whose that who needs it and somehow made it work. And i told our director when it happened. I said if we get this right during this time period will be here forever and we knew there was some fate involved in the you know what are the chances you open your food charity and then this it's got to be gratifying for all the things you get to do in the positioning. Put yourself into to be able to do something like that. Although their stuff is fine and you have fun with it but to be able to say. Hey i want this to happen and to have it happen to me as successful as it's been that's got to be among the best parts of the job. I guess it's it's really been the thing that i think mentally got us through this pandemic a little bit. When you're talking about being able to you know actually not feel so helpless to. It's it's really you know anytime. Something would feel a little too heavy you could. I could call courtney our director. Kim could say hey check this out. What they're doing. We would get a letter from the elderly that we were delivering to. That would be this amazing thing about how it had kept them safe and how. They didn't starve in this. And the first time we ever did deliveries my producer. Guy named luke. Wooten came up with the idea to deliver to the elderly nearby instead of just our model was just you know lower income and you know food insecurity and it's like hey there eighty five. They shouldn't be out. You know going into grocery stores. So we'll send him food so he said the first time they went people were like you're giving the next week. They all got in their sunday. Best in the in the hallway and they delivered all the bags to their their rooms at the towers there and they came out and gave him a standing ovation in their suits and ties and stuff. Best dresses yeah. And those things they keep you saying. Yeah well good on you for that that really. It's been an amazing thing together. You're also making new music city of music new single about this town telling the story of this town and rolling in here with the guitar and the dream like you did when he came into belmont without a doubt. Why was this the right time for that song. What store did you wanna tell. Well i wrote that. With lee miller and ross coppermine on zoom during the pandemic. We were never in the same room during the right. And you know it was. It was informed by this. Thank you know again. You take this away for a year and a half sort of the nightlife. That's happening right through that wall. And the the crazy sort of amazing mecca that this is this destination for pilgrims you know. And it's like. I really wanted to celebrate it and i wanted to musically feel the way that feels. You know i've i've thought for a long time about this. Room is the first time i've been in this room since we wrote the words. Which are you know singer for the ghosts that came before you play to your fingers heart. Play something. they'll ring out after in the rafters of the mother church. Here we are. So it's it's fun to release it now with the vantage point of. Let's not take this for granted anymore. Everybody's got their guitar. And a dream story right. When they came to nashville. Yeah so yours was to come to belmont. Yes what were some of the joint to play. Did you play a bunch down here to seize the orchid lounge and although a little bit i mean it's interesting at the time. This street became so much better for live music. Recently i mean back then there were you know. I played a lot of venues. There's places call. There was twelfth and porter in douglas. Corner and ace of clubs member as ago. Yeah stationed in. Just thank god. Still there Played a lot of those you know throughout throughout the course of trying to make it but I always wanted to be here. I mean. I'll never i'll never forget the first night. Once i drove to town. My dad met me out in the out in the garage. As i drove away from national in my car and packed everything up for school and i was going and he came home from work and his aviator sunglasses on. His moustache is much thinner. He he meets me there and and he says he goes to shake my hand. Is i'm gonna drive here. And he he goes to make me proud and he couldn't make noise. I'm never forget it. And i cried all the way to columbus ohio on the way here and then that was good after that and once i got here. There's never been one night in this town where it didn't feel like home for me. I love it here. I mean it feels like it was always moving in this direction if you get your first guitar when you're seven and right your first song when you're thirteen. Yeah was this always where it was going to end up. Didn't mean you were going to become this country superstar but were you always gonna ended up in nashville. I think so. Because i was willing i knew going to belmont is such a great place to be to learn about this business and i knew that worst case scenario i could probably play guitar for somebody. Second best would be like petar write songs. Maybe do some session where maybe sing on the side. Third would be like you know. I don't know maybe get a record deal and have just enough success to you. Know i'm so far beyond what i would sell them for that. Don't tell anybody but it happened. I mean correct me. If i'm wrong relatively quickly for you start writing some hit songs when you were pretty young Got your record deal I think ninety nine hundred ninety nine relatively young at that point right did it. Okay this is moving or did it feel like this is a grind. It felt like it was moving but it also also was really informed about how tough it is going to school there. You learn so much bad business. So you know i had my eyes were wide open. But it's like with anything you know you you just the next thing you know. Time has flown by. And you've accomplished something you know and i felt like also just go into belmont like i did and seeing these other kids you know. I knew the struggle. I knew what happens when it doesn't work out. And so i don't know i was just trying to do everything i could. That was the right thing to do. But i i learned something early on that i think is is true still and key and that's that it starts with the song you know and i've said this many times i'm successful. Because of the songs i sang. You know if. I'd give it all these songs to someone else. I think they'd be successful. It's not about me it's about the song. do you know. My charisma is limited. So you're just being humble now. I don't know about that. It was the host the as every year. Peyton come on now. I tell. I'm telling you i'm putting on an act and i have the wallover. Everybody's is long as you're doing a pretty good job of it. You sold it well. But i mean your first album goes platinum. You sell a million copies. The first thing you ever put out was that shocking to you in some way you don't know how it's gonna go. You might think it's good. You don't know how to be received. I don't know about shocking anybody. I've said this before anyone who's ever walked across the stage whether that's the local talent contests or this. The pentacle thinks they got what it takes at that moment. You're up there. You know and so shocked about platinum no thrilled. I knew it didn't matter. There's there's incredible people right through that wall plan to and all these other clubs and you may never hear them and they're better than some people on the radio you know and so it's like there's no fair it's you know fares got nothing to do with it. It's it's sort of like you get lucky and you also have to work really hard and so i wasn't. I was thrilled though. Because i know i know can not happen. The odds are against you. So what do you think the difference is between this side of the wall and that side of the wall. And wow that's great. I've never heard it put that way. Because you're right. We hear it right now right here. It's right there. I hear the base. Yeah i mean could because yes. There's talent but then there's managing the the journey right figuring out when to make the right move. It's it's songs yeah. I think it's if you sing. A song people relate to. They want to say they want. They believe in or have a message and and carry it. Well then you got a chance of come through the back door here and sing it on here. You know and That's where it begins and we're still that country. Music still should be that of a format where the songs are about things and they are reflective of life. Now the new one off road people are loving. What the inspiration for that song. watching watching My wife and other just females that venture look look i married a new yorker who now lives on one hundred acre farm and she's learned to drive the the offer a vehicle. Oh yeah she gets out on four wheels a little bit. Not like like i do for fun. She's more like but she's very capable. And i just started to use that as the metaphor for women. They put up roadblocks throughout history for women. And you know dolly parton reba mcentire. Carrie underwood you name it. Drive right down you know. It's like try and stop them. Good luck they'll just lock in the hubs and head off through the woods. That was fun to to kind of make that. So i was gonna ask you kim as part of the inspiration for without a doubt absolutely. I mean it's an amazing thing to watch you. And i both know we have. We don't have to deal with half the things they do. And so yeah. It felt good to celebrate. Celebrate that it's the story really true brad that he saw her and father of the bride. He said i like her to put her in my video. And it's nice to have that platform to say. I like someone i'm gonna put them in my music video. It's a lot more a lot more complicated. It's like basically yeah. I wrote a song about those movies because of a college relationship that ended badly that ended up. Being the best thing. That ever happened to me. You want a songwriter to be that you know the difference between that wall and this one. Maybe when they moved to town their girlfriend didn't leave him. You know when i moved here. I got my heart just trampled and it led to. I think my i hid is a sorry which was a song called another you for a guy named david kirsch and you know. It's like with the with the situation with kim. I wrote a song or two about that experience about that. First movie going to see father of the bride on a date. And then i realized oh this would be. It's absolute fate that her in the music video which is funny because that video never happened video. She ended up being was. I'm gonna miss her. The fishing where where. She plays a disgruntled. You know spouse thrown all my stuff on its and get out if you go fishing again. It's over so we start the relationship. Yeah it was a precursor in many ways. She reenact that video that time for sure. So you're getting ready to go back out on tour. Yeah done done a show or two. I think already what is it. Felt like to be back out and be back in your group a little bit. It feels like it just feels like everybody's grateful. I did a couple of nights in las vegas last weekend by myself with an acoustic guitar and was able to play. I did like one hundred minutes by myself. Just me and guitar telling stories. And and the stories i noticed first of all the audience. I joked with him. I said they just look different. Their fifteen pounds heavier but other than that. They're wearing pants. That i was kidding. What i what i told them was they looked. They looked like hungary and it hadn't felt that way in concert. They looked like they were like. We need music. And we are going to like whatever you do today. I really felt that you know and and all of my stories like the head to do with songs changed weekend telling the story of you know last time for everything which is a song that i remember singing and canada on that last gig thinking is this may be the last time i sing this. For a large audience for a long time and but then recounting that story to them. That's all will always feel like something that has to do with the pandemic to me now. Had nothing to do that. It was way over this but but all the stories changed then the humor. i mean. there's so much humor to be found in just talking about you know who we are now and it was. It was a lot of fun. And i really think that going out on the road this year none of us are taking it for granted performers included we. I used to always say no matter. What streaming does and record sales and the way that that that monetary models kind of out the window. You know in some ways like it used to be no matter what they can. Never take away performing. You know that always be the well. We learned that they can actually do that little while they found a way. Yeah but again. Just means we're going to really really enjoy it now. There's so much in the wind between covert and the politics in our country right now. Do you feel like music. In general your music in particular is as important as it's ever been. Maybe i think so. I think people are hungry to leave all of that at the door when they walk in and venue you know and they want to. They want to heal together and they wanna party together at the same time and That's what's happening through that wall. I mean they're over there healing and partying their brains out at three o'clock in the afternoon. No less yeah. That's right that's crazy. It's the new nashville. There's no clock. it's like megan. now you can't tell what day of the week it is from looking at the streets and the sun it's insane. I told you. I walked in here about noon. Tuesday as we sit here and it looked like mardi gras down there. It's unbelievable incredible. I'm happy to see it. I mean we needed this and you know and and these people they just. I think people need the collective experience of sharing music in the same room. It's it's not the same to watch a live performance on video. It's not and it's not the same to to like even go with strangers to something to some degree it is you. There's people you love and you want them there and there's kindred spirits that sit here knowing that these are all people that love the same kind of music and You feed off as a performer. They feed off it. You know has an audience. And i think. Psychologically we're all gonna go crazy about that. Yeah but at a concert. We all agree on one thing. We like that guy up on the stage and we'll take the l except for a couple of maybe a couple of people. That came begrudgingly with someone else. I can always spot them. There's the guy that's sitting there that's just like when the girlfriends clapping he's dislike. I'd much rather be something else is taking one for the team. I'm always trying to have went him by the end of it. You know you. Can you see him turn it now. Usually not still on his phone. Hey guys thanks for listening to the sunday. Sit down podcast. Stick around to hear more from brad paisley right after the break. Hey it's msnbc's chris as you know keeping up with today's news can be quite a challenge. It's not enough to know what's happening. It's essential to try and understand why it's all happening. That's what i try to do each week on my podcast. Why is this happening. I'm joined by uniquely qualified guests to talk about some of our biggest issues like legendary tech journalist. Cara swisher former un ambassador samantha. Power and many more. Join me for new episodes. 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It's use sense like you look at the fluid flow. We were talking about this. I mean these been here a long time. That's they got some stories to. It's pretty crazy and they actually in these accuser here so that people stay awake. They're uncomfortable. You want it was the church trick right right right. Stay awake for the sermon but we. It's an amazing place to play because you just how many places how many types of music have a building. That is like the cauldron that began right right. I don't think many and when you were inducted into the opry that took place here. I was on. That's right there. That's a moment it was. It was like parents were here. Everybody's crying. i wore. Buck owns jacket from my favorite album. Which was live at carnegie hall album that he did which was yellow with sequins. And i actually worked for the induction. He let me borrow the actual jack. Yeah one when. He warned carnegie on. Oh my gosh. He was a buddy. So i was like i was always into the romance of these things out of you. Make the most of the moment and and have little things that that kinda matter. You know. You seem like you were. I know you're respectful of the history of country. But you seem so you sound like you stop in the moment and appreciate you still have pinch me moments these steps that have come on. You're on your path. I definitely do. And i somebody to that. I take advantage of the opportunity to be friends with heroes. When i can and same with buck george. Jones and jimmy. Dickens became he. Was this place. I mean that was mr opry and bill. Anderson is a dear friend. Amazing songwriter here. All jeannie seely and all the guys. I mean you know i've always i just love incorporating them into stuff being part of their lives. I how many people get this chance. So why not you know. Yeah have you gotten to know your heroes. I mean a lot of them. And can't i still can't believe that even met them worked with them. Yeah collaborated on things with them. You know it's it's certainly appreciate it. I mean i've talked to actors about this to you. Say like i had a poster of robert deniro on my wall and taxi driver. Now i'm acting across from him and he's asking me for notes in his performance. It almost new mind almost can't process and i'm sure you feel that way. Sometimes i do. I mean yeah i remember. I got to know the guys in the rolling stones and so i opened for them at the stadium. Here and in passing told mick. Hey you should you should come back and right and hang out when we when you have a gig. And he's he was back six months later and we just wrote and hung out and he out in nashville. He took me off on it. And it's like and i realized it's as simple as you gotta ask you. You know and we do it on that record and the same. The same goes for you know when i would come to town. George jones was so kind. I had a horse back. When i had a house in a subdivision so i had this horse which is made no sense without a farm kept a georgia. So i'd go out. Ride the horse out there and then watch football with them and memories. i'll never. I'll never get get again. You know you're gonna be in here anytime soon. Playing again well. Yeah at some point but right now it's not the opry's at the opera house. Yes we're out there next week. They come back here. The shows come back here in the winter months right so i'll be here in the winter. Awesome well thanks for the time. They'll let me. This has been awesome. We appreciate it my big. Thanks again to brad for a great conversation. You can catch him out on tour this summer and fall beginning with that. Big fourth of july. Celebration downtown nashville. My thanks to all of you for tuning in this week. If you want to hear more of our conversations with my guests every week be sure to click subscribe so you never miss an episode. 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Lukas Nelson: A Star Is Born

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Lukas Nelson: A Star Is Born

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It's all part of our commitment to make convenient and fast charging accessible for everyone learn more about how. Gm is developing in all electric future. Edgy dot com your house and all the one your money as so long. Thank you woman at your growing up with the family full of musicians. Lukas nelson was basically raised on stage lucrative playing guitar and his dad willie nelson span. When he was just eleven years old in those early days he spent all of his time practicing amid a point of earning his stripes instead of just coasting on his dad's success business. That hard work paid off in two thousand eight. Lucas formed is acclaimed band. Promise of the real. Who spent the last six years as neil young's tori men and twenty seventeen lucas in the band were cast and star is born as bradley. Cooper's backing band cooper learn how to embody a rockstar on stage working with lucas also wrote the opening. Refer shallow and co wrote some other songs on the soundtrack song by cooper and lady gaga. Today's episode lukas nelson sing some songs from his latest album. A few stars apart also talks to bruce harlem about the very relatable experience of quarantining with his parents and talks about how the first song he ever wrote saved him from getting victim from an apartment. After leaving college. This is broken record. Lana notes for the digital age. I'm justin richmond. Here's bruce hoddlem. In lukas nelson. So thank you so much for doing this. You've got this new album a few stars apart with your band promises real. Can you start by telling me a bit about this album. Yes the record was recorded at. Rca studios in nashville. Tennessee is a historic place. Elvis and my father and so many others have recorded there. You can feel that history when you go in the building. Dave cobb was was the producer on our record and he has produced many fantastic artists including chris stapleton brandi carlile. And he's just a really cool guy and was really happy to to work with him because he he tends to work the way we like to work which is sort of analog live in the studio a little bit old school you might say but he can produce a fresh sound with with that process on. We were really happy to be with him. Was this record was written while you were in lockdown for covert. Yeah we we looked. We look through a bunch of the songs that I had written in the last few years and a good portion of the songs we picked to be to be on. This record were written during quarantine. Okay now. you're from a great musical family. Father willie your. Your aunt has been his piano player for a long time. Got other musicians and your family reu- able to see them at all during quarantine. I was with my mom my mother and father during the beginning the first six months of quarantine which was great. It was really nice to be able to be with them. One of the greatest pains in my life before the pandemic was the fact that my father and i had separate schedules and so you know him. Being in his later years. I wanna spend as much time with them as i can and my work was taking me away from him which even though i knew that he was trout and happy that i'm out doing my own thing and on the road i felt i felt pained not to be with them as much as possible and so when when the pandemic hit we just happened to be in the same place and i couldn't leave anywhere anyway so we got quarantined together and it was the greatest five or six months i had ever spent with them now. I mean most people. I've been away from my family. Your father as you mentioned is he's i think eighty eight now you did a very version online of hallowe'en there. When john prime. I got sick. And of course very savvy. He died of kovin. Yeah was your family. Okay through all this well. Yes i mean we were. We were relatively fine absolutely. I think that when you look at how many people were suffering. I mean we were just sitting on a hill. Austin you know with horses and eating food together and having family dinners and things that we hadn't done in years and so suppose we were very grateful. I mean there were challenges especially challenges in in living together after so long you know some childhood things came up. And you know there's a there's a famous quote and i can't remember who said it could have been rom dos or or ores rinpoche a and one of these these famous buddhist monks. They say if you think you're enlightened spend a week with your parents and i you know. I can't stress enough a lot of us. I was having a conversation the other day. A lot of us really feel as adults. We've sort of become well. Hopefully those of us that feel this way feel that we've become the most peaceful version of ourselves and our ability to let things slide. You know at least for me. I feel like in in my entire life. The most challenging experiences have been when. I've been forced to spend the all that time with with the people who've been able to trigger the darkest parts of my personality and so it really is a great a great lesson and test in mastering oneself in order in when you're spending time with people who know how to press your buttons and who you know how to press their buttons and so two to not to not say the wrong thing that will set them off you know and i don't. I don't know anybody who hasn't experienced that at even a very enlightened levels. I think they were all in in that same boat together. Even the dalai lama probably gets annoyed at some point. You know. but then he's able to. He's got the tools to not let that show or not let that affect how he responds. The difference between reacting to something and then responding is that one is sort of unconscious reaction and the other is conscious response and so that that lesson has been great. And i've i think i've learned how to do that a lot better these days. I have to ask what would trigger your family when you're at home. What would you do drink a your family. Oh my goodness there's so many triggers that we have You know. I mean we're we're all flawed human beings. You know we've got. We've got these cracks in us that but they remind me of the cracks in in in the bulls in japan where they filled the cracks up with gold in know because there is no imperfection really. It's all perfect dino. We have tempers. I mean the nelson. The nelson family has never been accused of being impassioned. We are very passionate people We we have strong opinions about things and we have a difficulty not expressing those opinions all commit the question one other way off and it reminds me you're in texas where i guess trigger should be left for that should enable the horse not something people do gregor's the name of my dad's guitar that's right it is a completely forgotten that alright i am wondering especially if it was in a musical opinions. Oh no no none of that. No you guys don't argue about music and we don't argue about music and and i don't really argue much. It's often times small things like you know As when you're when you're stuck in a room together and you know maybe someone feels unappreciated for the work. They've been doing pulling their weight in in the family. You know and then you know somebody says something and it triggers something else but listen all of these. things are universal. They're not unique to my family. No because you're describing. Yeah exactly we may have different views you know. I don't like to watch the news than they. They like to have that news on twenty four seven. So i you know for me. I don't like to walk into a room. And i'm i'm just like boom right there. It's in my face all these headlines and for me i just know i prefer to get my information very quickly. I get notifications on my phone. See the general headlines not turn it off but you know for some reason that generation my father's generation my parents generation. They they love to just have the news on. And i you know twenty four seven. I wrote a song called. Turn off the news and build garden and that was so you know we have differences in there and that's okay. It's their house. At that point. I was staying at their house. So you know. I can't complain when i when it's on every tv well despite what you're describing. Yeah there's a couple of things that struck me about this album. It's very very hopeful. Albums togetherness may have been tough at points. But it's very much an album about togetherness why do and and after a couple months of rediscovering the tools to live with each other. You know we'd been gone. We've been we hadn't been with each other. We'd been sort of in and out of contact and talking all the time but really spending time together. We hadn't done that a lot and so once we did most. We sat down once we once we started hanging and i rediscovered these beautiful people that were my parents. I felt so grateful and hopeful and it gave me a stronger sense of peace. Ever had a stronger sense of contentment of being comfortable in my own skin of security. Because you know the insecurities that that you carry with you from be relationship with your parents throughout life are very strong if you're lucky enough to be able to sort of confront those insecurities firsthand with the tools. I mean i had learned how to do meditation. I'd learned the tools that you need in order to respond and not react. And so even though i failed many times towards the end of that period of time where i was stuck with them we were really getting along and we worked through a lot of stuff and it was really at necessary. Time for all of us what you're giving hope to an entire country that's coming out of covert. I hope you know that. Well listen What better what better gift could one hope to give you. You are one of the gifts on this album is. We'll be all right. Which is the first song. Was that written with anybody in mind that was written with everybody in mind that was written with the whole world in mind. It's a pretty heavy song in some ways because you know talks about empires falling and understanding that everything's impermanent but you know through it. All through the the world. I write a lot about sort of the outside world. Collapsing and yet love beings love being what keeps us strong through that i would say that i'm a classic liberal classical liberal not not a not a neoliberal but classical liberal in which i really believe in the strength of individuals knowing that things around will be at times very very very difficult and so giving people the tools instead of saying. Let's let's eradicate bullying from the world. Maybe instead say let's learn how to not let bullying affect you. Let's learn how to take people's words and let them slide off and not really let them affect you. You know spilled the strength from within so that we we learned to be strong people instead of relying on on our trying to just say well. Let's eradicate negativities or let's let's take this bad thing and because you're never going to do that. There's always going to be a new thing that pops up so rather than campaigns against the thing itself maybe the thing should be learned how to deal with inside and that sort of a theme that that i think recurs in in a lot of my songs. are the Of lau encased in this small suspended abo- we can hold on struggle and strive Despite all the dive weasel the alrigh- ooh saw as the river flows bowl in water. Is silence livers. Go jump anytime. Just say you're ready. I'll say your mind and we will be all a we on. Our love will where we did. All empires will foil everything. I don't word the We'll be all all right from lukas nelson and promise of the reels new album a few stars apart. We'll be right back with more from lukas nelson after a quick break. Ever drive in ev. You'd know because once you feel the thrill of electric there's no going back and the next generation of vs. general motors are an absolute joy to drive. 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Your father had a difficult relationship with nashville when he was a songwriter there sure and he returned to texas Some of you. Some of your experiences reminded bit of rosanne cash and we've interviewed whose father also had a difficult time with nashville pure and didn't want to be there. What's it like for you to go to nashville. Which is not just a city not just a place with with great studios and great great musicians but a kind of industry represents a certain way of thinking about country music. I think nashville has changed quite a lot since those times. Especially in that. There's a lot of quality music. Coming out of nashville. Now separate from what. The radio stuff is separate from what the new country you know that comes out. There's really good stuff. Coming out of nashville. But there's there's great stuff coming all over the place now because we have the internet and we don't need to be in a specific spot really to you. Know there is no hub but nashville itself has an energy and going there and can can help inspire. I think a good music to come by and the level of musicianship that that is condensed. Engine nashville is incredible. Some of the best musicians in the whole world. It's sort of one of the last places where people really appreciate musical talent in terms of proficiency at an instrument and not like proficiency had programming at speaking of which you did this whole album on analog. You did it on tape. Didn't yeah we did he. S did you edit it. Digitally recorded on tape or what. We didn't do much editing at all. It was all live for the most part. They were hardly any overdose. I don't think it's funny because you know people don't really know that they don't notice that because everything has been edited that they listened to to the most for the most part so a lot of times people think that our music is really slick when at same time is just that you know. This band is really really good. They're really good and so they sound like it's been his sounds like it's been produced headed whatever but it is isn't it hasn't and these guys are just good they're good musicians and so i'm proud of them for that. There's not a lot of auto tune on your voice. i noticed. I wish i could sing better in tune. But you know i try. I've heard that you don't like your voice. Is that true. It's not that i don't like it. It's just that i'm it's a work in progress on these. Say i actually like my voice but i can hitting no. I can hit high notes. I can hit low notes as just a different sound. Different timbre and But it's getting more character to it. As time goes by as i go through more things in life and it gets a little more weathered and so i you know i'm i'm trying not to judge it yet. I think your mother said that she thought you'd found your voice on this record. Yeah what do you think she meant. There's certain solves where. I'm actually really happy. With the sound of my voice. She said that specifically regarding a song called throwing away your love which is sort of more conversational sort of tom. Tambor's lower register of my voice. And i liked that lower register that higher register. I couldn't sing that lower When i was in i was younger but i'm able to sing it now. You know get a little lower down there. Do you wanna play a song for us. We'll keep talking after sure time wasted again and again known all intentions asan's deemed that work Brain my pain elementary. The child is banging on the wall that separates me from the land on the other shy to remember y l left. You'll love behind to test. How away I've got to have a huge sees that your girl for me but somehow the reason zaki breed insanity my mind. Knock my friend in alone to remember. Might lift your love. The ol- lack to testify on the roy old. Throw in away the situation the on all lack to oh away I was fantastic. Thank you so much. I'm gonna tell all now to run out and listen to the album version because it's got a very full almost sounds like the band. Dan lights base. And it feels like rick danko singing it and that's just such a different wonderful version. Thank you thank you. Could you tell me about writing that one. Yeah that was one of the ones that i wrote a while ago and i just i can't help but just feel like it was sort of written like a band song. It's very like you know. I wanted to write a song. It was it was groovy but mellow and it is sort of. I think it's one of the more fun lyrical songs i've written. I sat and fun playing with words on that song. You know it just felt like. I was tangled up in in my emotions. You know sort of like trying to ride about leaving this girl behind. And maybe i was watching some law and order show or something. I felt like you know is using a bunch of legal terms. This album is more for people who have followed you. It's a more country album you and your band or you're kind of very heavy guitar. Driven california style band. But this one feels a little more austin to me. Yeah i don't know where that california style got thrown into all of those articles. I mean you know we. We did the first record. Was in austin that actually only recorded one record in california or two records in california but most of the time i grew up listening to austin texas musicians and seattle musicians. There's no. There's no bands that i was influenced really from california unless you include like buckling or or you know. The sort of the bakersfield sound merle haggard that kind of thing or a. Neil neil young. I guess supposedly you made his his real sound down there in california but we called ourselves cowboy hippie surf rock when we started out. So maybe california was just sort of grandfathered. In at that point. I mentioned you're from this storied. Musical family not only do grow up and musical family. You joined the family band. Pretty early didn't you. Yeah i started flying when i was thirteen. Fourteen in the band. How long have you been playing by that point of two years. I've really got proficient at least good enough to hand. Hang by the third year. I was playing because i spent hours and hours and hours and hours and hours playing. I didn't i didn't stop. I wanted to be an olympic athlete. When i was a young kid. I wanted to be swimmer. And i knew what it took and i wanted to give that same amount of focus and attention in practice to music to stand out as someone who definitely made their life about music to stand out as someone who loves music and embodies music and isn't just riding on coattails or something you know I feel like i had a little something extra approve in to myself as well as others but most of myself that i was okay on my own and that if my father hadn't been famous i would still be capable of putting in the efforts required working hard enough to stand and be heard no matter what what happened to swimming. Well i got distracted by music. And a certain point i'd started. I'm putting more into music than i did to swimming. Music has taken me all over the world. Music is taken me to to to to love in my life is. It's given me confidence. It's given me strength. If there is a god. I think god is music you know. So when did the songwriting start for you When i was eleven years old. I wrote a song called you were it and my dad liked it so much. She put it on his record. It always will be at the time. I was probably about eleven years old when that happened. So second your eleven you start to get royalty checks from one of your dad's album funny story too. Because when i was older i was living in california i went to i went to loyal marymount university briefly dropped out but as i after i dropped out. I was paying rent at this place in venice california and month to month. It was kind of difficult. I was going on the road and making money but there were there. Were times where. I was not gonna make rent. And i remember one day the dave the rent came due and i didn't have the money i didn't have hardly any money. That point. not sure if anybody realizes. But i never take money from my parents. I just i just kind of. I don't know. I forced myself to separate from that because i again i. It was my own thing. So i couldn't pay the rent and i was driving down the pch. Some something just came over me like okay. I'm going to be okay. No matter what. I'm just going to trust that. Life is life is going to be okay and i got a call as soon as i had. That thought. I got a call. And it was that i had a package fedex so i drove to fedex and i opened up the package and it was a check from writing that song for exactly what was due for my rent. The exact to the dollar amount. And i said wow in on that point at that point on i just started. I just sort of said to what. I'm just going to keep trusting. That is fantastic story. I'll play that saw has if i remember it You're the one the only who a little When we moved our now you be the one the l. so small you could kill. You could hurt and bring out. I a on but no one could have brain. I saw the pain is gone. I once had are now. has was song That was fantastic. Thank you that's pretty heavy for eleven year old. I was a pretty heavy eleven year old for sure. 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I was hired because he saw us at desert trip with neil and he's a huge fan and he hired me to be a authenticity consultant. He wanted to basically You wanted me. He wanted me to let him know what looked authentic onstage and how to be rockin roller onstage and what kind of guitars to us and but we ended up singing. I ended up having helping him sing. Learn the sing. And i ended up being the guitar and the music and i ended up bringing my band in and then writing a bunch of songs with them and producing and having brought the band in and we you know i mean one of the great experiences were i mean. He was just sitting with him and watching his voice progress and then having him you know really get pretending to play down pretty well but but it was cool seeing our music. Come off the big screen and you know Here in my lick in here and working with stephanie. With god i was was great too. You know it gave us a lot of validation. I think as musicians we felt like we're we could hang with with these. You know pop as well as we could hang with the legends. It was great. What's it like to write with someone who hasn't because he he did write some of the songs code wrote some of the stuff we vote. Black is together and a couple of other ones guess. Great ideas he's really musical. And then stephanie lady gaga. You have to teach her how to send. She didn't have teacher out of saying no secret. Singer is off but you know she was nice to To have the band in there and she was a great producer. And i'm glad to that. She chose to keep my version of the band's version o. Shallow pretty much you know on the records. Well it's a trip to hear your your guitar out there when all these young kids are singing along to it and they know that promise of the real is the ban. They're seeing into one of the people worked a lot. And i want to talk about different people in your life that have helped you. But he's a good example of someone who has so much material you never should when it's coming out and that's neil young. Yeah you've been his backup band you've played with some. Could you tell me a bit about how you guys i met. And how that all came about While neil and i had known each other just peripherally because we did farm aid every year. But i i was always kind of you. Know i never really spoke to a intel. Maybe i was sixteen. And i wrote a song called american dream which i have to go find that i don't know where it went but it was like a farmer saw and i wrote that song and then i got the courage to to go out and play it for them and and to play it for for with my brother and we went played for him and he was like. Oh that's great. Sounds good we route by the buses and farm. Eight i remember clears day. That was the first longer conversation that we had with him. And i don't know part of me thinks that maybe he was. He was impressed that we had the courage to come up and do that. And then so over time i think he started to pay attention to what we were doing and We covered one of his songs at a far made in two thousand ten in milwaukee covered song we were doing a song called. La from a record. That kind of didn't come out. Time fades away. It was like you know. Sort of eight year die hard fan. You've no it. But and and he really liked it and so he came and said something after we played we did a good job and then then we just sort of kept in touch is pen pals and he started to give me some feedback and ideas and over the years and then one day he invited us into the studio to record and we did the monsanto. Here's which actually aged quite well. I think them having been found guilty of a number of different things involving glyphosate specifically and so that that was our first for a into his world and we ended up going on the road extensively after that. And we still love him. He's a great captain. So what is it like to play on stage with him. It's like the fullest expression of our dreams As as children. I mean when. I was a kid i dreamed about playing rock and roll like that on a stage for eighty thousand people. Desert trip was quite quite a an incredible show. And if i do say so myself. I thought we made quite a statement on that show. A lot of people saw that show and really loved it. You know he's this character. Who always seems a little out of control but on the verge of being out of control is do you feel that way when you're onstage with them. Yeah but i relate to it. We all sort of exhibited sense of abandoned more out there. It's what we love about being on stage with. Neil because that's where your rock and roll spirit can really shine. what about. Songwriting has influenced you in that way. Sure yeah i mean in the same way that my father has you know. We wrote a little bit together and he. He's got great feedback on the music and another guy you knew. I don't know if you do growing up. But you've talked about him in the past is kris kristofferson. Oh yeah yeah. And other one of the great songwriters of our generation. If he's he the kind of guy you ever went to and said. I've got this song as inspired by something you did. Can i play it for you. Sure he was really a fan of our music. He is a fan of music. Is writing something you do every day or do you right when it comes all right often every other day you know. I mean they're up there. I could come in bursts where like one week all right eight songs or something you know might not right again for a month but you know that's how it works. You never worry. It's not gonna come back. You always know at this point. I have enough material for five records before. I have to write another song so i it's actually kinda like it's kind of annoying because i have all this material and i don't know win it's gonna come out you know and sometimes you write something and you want it to come out right away because it's how you're feeling at that moment but like in the case of perennial bloom. The song from our a record that the sort of been on on the radio a lot and that song was written may of two thousand twenty. And there's a line there. This was like right when the pandemic had hit but the the summer was supposed to be. When you know the virus may be would go away because of the heat and and We were feeling very hopeful and it was like summers. He'll income and soon somebody. Someone beside me actually smiled without a mask and it was more of a a metaphor for someone smiling without you know the metaphorical masks of being themselves and yet that song didn't get released until a year later that same time in may in may of this year and the the same thing applied and so it was almost like it was meant to come out a year later and not at that time because we had a lot more hope for the summer this year than we did back then even so it was interesting. How how songs can maybe be written and not be meant to put out until later which is being forced to accept that. Listen thank you so much. It has been fabulous starting to yeah has thank you thanks to lucas nelson for playing a couple of songs off his new album and share in his story with bruce. You can check out all our favorite lukas nelson and promise of the real solemn at broken record. podcast doc. Be sure to subscribe to our youtube channel dot com slash broken pot. We can find. 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Colorado Music Experience: Jill Sobule

Pantheon

35:06 min | 10 months ago

Colorado Music Experience: Jill Sobule

"Colorado has a story to tell glenn miller to dianne reeves from the astronauts to the luminaires colorado music experience collects and preserves. The legacy of colorado's rich music has serving as a resource for visual informational and archival materials. Your host is jebron. Our guest is jill sob- you'll the denver native who has been performing for decades. Since she was a teenager. She has done it all as a singer. Songwriter caught mainstream attention with a hit. Single opened for the biggest stars had a band performed solo written music for tv and theatre recorded albums for major labels and put out songs only on the internet and she pioneered crowdfunding. She is a mass devoted following and her amazing career continues. Welcome joe thank you for having me. You grew up in denver. A third generation native on one side of your family third generation on both sides of the family. You've had some great intellectual and performing credit in the family tree. Well there was always the family lore that my grandfather was in the circus with jack dempsey was the sells floto circus and they said he was the barker and also as sparring partner. And you hear things. But i didn't have any proof of it. And then a couple years ago. I went on. Jack dempsey sells floto circus. And sure enough. There's a picture of my grandfather. So i guess i come from circus family. I can say that. Now that's a great resume. Yes i'm just throwing it out manhattan project. Oh yeah. Arnold worked with openheimer and was in the manhattan project and we also think that he was a spy and i got together last week with all the cousins and relatives his wife. Who's still alive at vivian. And she's not going to hear this but we're going to get her drunk and go down in the basement and look at all files. Sh sh ty a couple of cousins. Sarah boxer. She worked at the new york times book review. She was the editor of that and she had a great book graphic novel about her father. Actually he was a psychiatrist on one side. I have a pro wrestling champion goldberg goldberg and there was nothing better than seeing a bunch of nex yell out goldberg goldberg. In the new york there was someone that said goldberg's good for the jews. Guess that was the point to be made the point. But i the only singer songwriter re person. You were enrolled in saint. Mary's catholic school here in denver known like most catholic schools for the strict discipline. I assume that's why a nice jewish girl like you wound up there well. It ended up that those catholic girls were way worse than the public school girls. It was bad for me. Yeah the year before. I went to hold junior high school and then i saw the movie. Billy jack. do you remember billy. I wanted to go to a hippy. Free school slide. Bug my mom to go. And it was on sixteenth and pennsylvania. Maybe toward the words. The old church or synagogue. I was called law. Florian ninth grade was just a waste. All we did was smoke pot and play pool and re customer data so then. I thought you know what. I'm going to get a good education. And i have a couple friends so i put myself in saint. Mary's academy. I was up for new experiences catholic girls school that sounded new. There's a bit of law that you had an original song called. Jesus played the dribble. We'll know jesus was a trade off spinner fifth grade. I had a son. My first song was nixon as batman spiro. Agnew to and then. I helped put on shows at saint. Mary's did takeoffs of the andy williams. Show do remember that was a little subversive the nuns. It's saint mary's. They're kind of the cooler nuns. I never had the experience of the things that i hear the ruler on your hands and then a few years later after i graduated i remember going to was tracks or a gay bar. I'd saw a couple of mex- nuns from saint. Mary's yeah what was going on and that none of college age who studied at the university of colorado at that point started singing and playing acoustic. But you said you'd never had the nerve at that point to play songs for other people. I played guitar solo guitar player and bans. I had written songs but never saying my own songs. And i didn't think they were any good. And they were mostly like my little journal so on my third year abroad did that program in spain and i played on the street with a friend is kind of a goofball thing and that was the first time i ever sang my songs in public. Figured i'd never see these people again and they probably didn't understand what i was thinking. It perfect you came back to denver and started playing in front of local I think it was an open mic. And i can't even tell you where it was and then i never. My first place was a restaurant called professor plum's and then i remember playing josephina says and the brats killer that was a unique period in denver's music scene. You've said you went through a lot of bands and sounds you made a living. Maybe a meager one. It's something you didn't think you could have done in new york. I didn't even think about new york was just the beginning of mtv. You still thought locally to me to get. A giggle. Josephine is on the weekend. I don't know how big are you could get. You didn't think on a national scale and also as opposed to now there were so many clubs to play live music. The bombay club with became spirits. Oh my gosh. i even played the holiday inn on colorado boulevard. I remember playing the mezzanine at the bold arado and that was really exciting. There was a pizza place. And i can't even remember where it was that i played tuesday's then i got bigger and i played the mercury cafe. I love that place. The cliche of concurrent with this is that everyone should spend a little time waiting tables during the course of their life to learn some important life lessons out my guy you're at a number of denver eateries well it just venus and it spirits. I waited tables. And i would play at night and i was a horrible waitress. I've always had shaky hands. I've always had this essential tremor and it's just not good. It's not good for a waitress and i never was good at figuring out. What table was where had to write down everything. I was slow. I was polite but that doesn't make it. There was one time. Oh my god. that was. A place called tudor crown. It was on colorado boulevard. Where tiffany's used to be your coffee shop. I was the bread girl where i would go around with the bread basket to each table. And i'd say oh. Here's your pop over. Here's this bread and it had this. Big tongue was sharp. And like i said it kind of shaky hands and accidentally hit an artery on my hand and i'm serving. It's like monty python blood spurting out at these people. Yeah it wasn't a good career. You started migrating between new york and nashville as well as denver. Right there was eighty seven eighty six. I was moving to new york but at the same time a guy came to that show downtown denver who is a publisher out of nashville and he said i'd like to work on some non country people. That's where the nashville came in. So i moved to new york. But i would go to nashville every two months and right with people. And that's actually where. I got my first record deal Your first album. Things here are different Produced by todd rundgren which was such an exciting prospect at the time. And i've always hated that it was a bad experience for you. Well in retrospect. I'm glad i have that experience. I it's hard working with people who you admire especially when your kid. You can't get over that. You're intimidated and todd at that time it's still. He's got the worst bedside manners of anyone. I'd sing a song and it would be all right. That was adequate. Let's move onto the next one. And i hadn't been in a studio that much so it was devastating and i think he was in a bad place in his life but i adore him. We've become friends since then but it wasn't a great first record for me and i blame a lot on me of not being assertive like i should be. But i didn't know what to do but now i look upon it as i got tougher that album. Not many people heard you open for joe jackson following. You made a record with him. That was a exciting experience and labeled didn't like it so i got dropped from the label. Not only that. I did some tracks with a woman. Susan rogers who was princess engineer. And i work with wendy and lisa but i got dropped from ca. That was tough. Your management dropped the ball to a degree. I thought but you did come to the attention of atlantic records by way of a lawyer acquaintance. Your self titled album in one thousand nine hundred ninety five that was filled with roy williams e- and melodic gifts. You had a reputation as a really clever songwriter. You wrote a ditty. That caused quite an upheaval. You garnered a lot of publicity. Thanks to a girl which. I have called an innocent yet. Seditious owed to sexual experimentation. Yes way way. Add a small over cold up. Kissed a girl Great sauk two women comparing notes about what jerks boyfriends are dabbling in an act. The lyric was just like kissing me. Only better. I remember a radio station in nashville actually aired parental advisory four. Playing that song. I love to that so mind but i gave you credit because you didn't fuel the fire by confirming or denying anything for one hand though. I wish i would have been a little more aggressive with that. To me was important to have a song about same sex kiss. There was nothing like that having crushes on my girlfriends and junior high school and i wish there would have been a song like that and i think i was a little maker now that i think about it. The label it. I thought it was cool. And then i think they kind of chickened out and they were like. We're gonna make this cute little novelty song where i wanted to be more subversive. In empowering remember the video where we had fabio me and the neighbor girl we were supposed at the end were actually have a kiss. Which would have been amazing. And they chicken out at the last moment and they showed me pregnant with fabio's baby instead. We were really upset. I remember my big breakthrough interview with entertainment weekly to me. It was about the song and instead it was me going to fob ios house and being interviewed like how was it to be in a video with the hunky man in america. That was how it was dealt with. I wish i would be more radical in a certain way. It was a double edged sword. I wanted also to be thought of serious singer. Songwriter and i didn't want to be here as lesbian singer songwriter. So is a tricky time period. Happened real fast. It happened really fast but to this day all the time every week someone facebook or saying how when they were kid that that song gave them comfort and somewhere another. Yeah and that's the long term success. Anyone under twenty five has no idea about the song they just the berries. This is in two thousand nine when katy perry has that pop smash with the song with the same title but shared nothing else. You had to be back in the new cycle fielding questions about it like i said it was like i'm so tired of being just known as the kiss the girl girl and then when she had it was like. Hey wait a minute buster. i'm the kiss. The girl girl often the one positive thing was that a lot of thirteen or fourteen year old girls accidentally bought my record. That was pretty great. I was in atlanta the summer. And there were these two cute high school girls with their clipboards and they were like. Are you for gay rights. Now i felt like with a cigarette hanging from my mouth. You don't even. I told them. Yeah i had a before. Katy perry called. I kissed a girl and they looked at each other. Like i was a crazy woman back to nineteen ninety five. You had another great song. That was in the cultural ferment. Supermodel yeah satirical song featured very prominently in clueless the hit teen comedy film. We need the song for the movie and none of us had any idea that it was going to be quite the head and actually a really good movie. I thought it was just going to be cheesy teen movie. I made some mistakes now now. I wanna do a really weird video rather than something more commercial. So was one where we reenacted kerry where i burned a fashion showdown pig's blood on me and it was even too weird for mtv a really loved it. But now i'm like god. I should have done just a total commercial video for i look back on my career and think there was always that pull between wanting to commercial wanting to be already strange. Go with my own vision of things red rocks. I got to open up for. We still national ones. And i remember my mom that this is so great. I was so excited. My brother was there and started getting cold at the clouds. And i'm about to go on. And she goes honey. Why don't you put on your card again. It's like no. I'm gonna put on my car again. You put out a couple more records for major labels. Happy town was wonderful. My favorite was always soldiers of christ wherein it was after the response. I kissed a girl. And also i think coming from colorado i still feel a deep connection to my state and lots of friends from colorado springs and colorado springs was all set. The haggar turtur focus on the family was response to that particular form of christianity. Well i remember my friend had a bumper sticker lithium colorado springs. It said focus on your own family yet. Another one when the rapture comes. Can i have your stuff. That was really good. Another alba them pink pearl featured lucy at the gym about an exercise addict anorexic. There was a taste of that in. Supermodel is well. In my twenties there was a six year period. Where i suffered with the eating disorder. Even though i'm supposed to write a song for a movie supermodel you can't help put your own. I can't help and experiences into things. Luc- seal the scale. Full time the gam. Stu was kind of a musical sorority. At the time. I'm thinking of women. Like lisa loeb even juliana. Hatfield sam phillips. They were all getting various degrees of attention. I always felt like alone or in anything but at the same time you felt there was a movement by remember when i first got signed to. Mca the todd. Rundgren record there was like a mini bidding war for me. But i remember there was a couple of other labels that says we already have a female artists during the ninety s. The lilith fair days. You saw resurgence and that was really wonderful. And great to see because it it been horrific beforehand really. There's a duality to your work. That has always reminded me of some of my heroes from the seventies people. Like loudon wainwright the third. Randy newman guys. Who could make you laugh. One second cry the very next could write emotive ballads and then detailed character studies funny and sweet and westfall and then cruel and vengeful at types to. I remember my brother. Had john prime record. And i remember hearing sam stone or hello in there and i thought and loudon to not even just dead skunk and i thought wow the writing. It's like a many short story and it's also like sandstone for an example. There's a hole in daddy's. I'm this cute sweet melody. but it's like holy shit. He's talking about the junkie and dead affected me so much. You know what. I've been lucky that i've befriended those people of opened up for john prime. I did protest songs. There was an event that loud and asked me to be on and then friends with warren's yvonne and so i've been lucky in my life to know these old geezers and i guess they were my mentors that affected what i still do today. Tollett us skits still only america. You had a special bond with warren especially before he passed you toured with him and cure version of. Don't let us get sick. Is a definitive cover stuff. He was wonderful to me. I remember when i first got the gig. I was so intimidated. I just gave him a lot of space. It and i remember one day came to my roommate. Says what do i have rabies or something. And then we became inseparable on those tours. And i think i knew him after his raging drug days. You covered robert earl. Keen's holiday classic to great effect. Merry christmas from the family and your version. The production is wonderfully loose. That was one of the best sessions. I ever had nashville my friends. I made everyone get drunk. The drummer list to you'll hear he dropped a sticks and picked them back up. And that's exactly what. I wanted to be sloppy. Yeah and that's what it was was so sick can go hang now so the resume in the ought you dabbled in writing music for off broadway musicals you appeared on the west wing on nbc playing in a bar when toby cj were arguing. Some moral point. You compose songs for unfathomable ass- which was that nickelodeon series you were one of the five leads in mind. The gap and indie film. You were jody a- assist who worried what heartache would do to your pacemaker. Blend role ever was playing a struggling singer songwriter. I can take this. Was that a concerted effort to expand your horizon to acting in theater or did opportunities present themselves. I don't understand how people make it anymore. People don't buy music you have to find other outlets but it wasn't a matter of survival to was that i wanted to do things writing for the theatre didn't seem all that different from me because a jazz han musical sound wasn't expected from me and i write stories anyway so that seemed like a natural place to go especially if i wasn't following whatever a current pop trend would be. You are such a prolific collaborator. That's one of your greatest gifts. That doesn't get enough run. You came through denver with julia. Sweeney the wonderful comedian. You've worked and continue to work with the likes of lloyd cole. And ben lee and members of the go. Go's john doe from x. richard barone from the bongos wayne kramer. The mc five so. You've always been good at joining forces in the corporate world. You'd be called a team player. Joe and when. I was with lloyd and did the ban. The negatives lead colon the negatives. I didn't even sing in that band. I just love being guitar player. In two thousand nine you released a record that was funded entirely by fan. Donations joel's next record. Dot com was the site. Erase seventy five thousand supporters. Got a free download for ten dollars. If you donate a ten thousand. You got a chance to actually sing on the record. You were a pioneer of crowdfunding. Recall kickstarter still just a startup kickstart. It wasn't even there yet. In fact i know people that were working with kickstarter and they had meetings with me. What work the tears. And it's one of those. Like why did i think the start a business schieffer's what a show. I wasn't good lie. I did so well. Because when i did. No one was being harassed in their inbox by help me with my project. You weren't inundated with so many people and it took me a long time to do it again. Almost nine years. I remember i stopped it at seventy five thousand. I think i could have done more. But do you remember perez hilton. Sure get something against me. He had the horrible picture of me with dollar signs on my head and greedy greedy begging her fans for money. I was devastated. And then the year later everyone else's doing it and nowadays unless you that point zero zero one percent. I don't know how artists without fans support do it. You've had some loss. Your dear mom passed away. Relationship ended stepfather suicide at a couple of years of i didn't want to write and then it came back. Thank god vengeance. The theme of your latest recording nostalgic kills seems to be more of a look back than pushing ahead. No chance town the screen project them. We'll see how you started the you to bit of a memoir in a way to me feels like a little book of short stories but the title track nostalgia kills saying take a look talk about it but get a move on island of lost things. Wistful look back. And i've been commissioned to do a show called hashtag fuck seventh grade and a couple of the songs like island of lost things on it and those years especially those junior high school years the worst years of your life. No matter how bad the last couple of years were are we say that year of loss nothing will be ever is worse as seventh grade so denver plays a big part because this is where i was raised in. This is where. I was at that period of time. So it makes you who you are. I lost my kids. Lost my heart last car. The parking lot last month for spokane here singh from the island of lost thing of law. You do a cover of ood child. I have a vision of you that nine years old playing the forty five in your bedroom over and over maybe just heard it on. Km in music saved me and there were certain songs child was one of them thinking. Like yeah i understand. I know it is going to get better. I'm going to go to a new school. Meet different people who are nicer so that's one of those songs they get me all the time. No matter how many times i hear things con oh things bride things done getting say. Oh i would be remiss if we did not mention how active you are and a lot of social and political causes the point could be made as simply as saying that the name of your label is pinko records records. How was that responsibility instilled in early as a kid and maybe music allowed to do the music i love. We're talking about john. Pine you flagged to cow won't get you into heaven anymore. The first time i ever learned the f. word was woodstock record. Yeah and my other at. Dmc five The jam brothers and sisters. The gyms which i've gotten to play many time with laying. Kramer that's like from the pope early on i remember was a fifth raid. I can't wait to get home to watch watergate. That was more exciting to me than anything. And so for some reason. I was always a little lefty hippy. And musically from soldiers of christ to america. Back i've always had semi activists on call that an flank kramer billy bragg jail guitar doors where we go to prisons and play and talk about prison reform and mandatory minimums. I did one. Tour was called. Tells the truth torn. It was a bus with me and boots. Riley who i love and steve earle. Tom morello they needed a girl. Lefty activists so i got the call. I got the call who do they. I get a lot of eight now. Which mckay with. I don't take at all a means i'm doing something. What's your favorite musician's joke jill. The fattest of a mall what these kids do during recess. What joe watch other kids play nine. Let me see a song. you know what. I'll do me ambani shelly. Park way to fall battle of a ban is a bad reputation and a water bed and is he said. Hey so that'll blow your. We worked in to his band at yelp to stand. He said it's only mama only other nate cinnamon park in cinema day so break dabbled in a really good way in a really good way. Yes thousand days. I wish i could go back. The add top. Santa impede the base started feel of body when that kid staged sauce schiff base and i could not stop. Lab spun all round in the ground. I was amazed. Clouds just kept been and they played the same song played. Thoughts never never heard it. Bad cinnamon parkin's cinem- days so free dabbled in a really good away. Really go away year balls world days. I wish i could go back. And here's where the out snacks. It's the end. Credit of the movie is now in rehab and she's using it again. Her brothers on the blood work with a brand new band. Billy came in second in battle of the bands which again all cinnamon park so free dabble in a really good away. Who really good way thumbs old days. I wish i could go back. Wish to go back cinnamon park day so free and really really go away. 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Part 1: Dick Powell, Andrew Hawkins

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:19:11 hr | 1 year ago

Part 1: Dick Powell, Andrew Hawkins

"Uncovered interviews this is Steve Race fans from now suddenly rainy upstate. New York which I guess was expected but literally three seconds ago all of a sudden I heard the the sound of the pitter-patter outside my office got like a metal roof on the side porch and looked up and we're getting we're getting rain. It's springtime right well serious to nineteen. Xm To a one sport so nine sixty four and at our website as well. The VICK DOT com on this Thursday got a busy day and a three hours. That'll hit a lot of points on the compass including early on after the first break. We're GONNA welcome back. Andrew Hawkins as I promised and Andrew when he was spending time in Hong Kong he was our our Hong Kong correspondent for H. K. J. C. Now Dick Powell but Andrew back in Australia and given the quality the racing and the consistency and the reliability of it right. Now it's hard not to take an interest in what's going on in Australia. And of course last week in those three stakes including the the Derby that Dick Powell gave you the seventeen dollar winner and it's sort of a companion card at Randwick tomorrow night and Randwick is the track tomorrow and there's a series of six of really good steaks and so we'll get Andrew to give us a bit of a primer and we'll dive in and what's what's fun about looking up the PP's and you get them free. You can get all the Australian. Abcd PP's free at Brisbane and like today. It's a quiet Friday card for us. You know well Friday morning and you know they're a good fourteen fifteen sixteen hours ahead Depending on on the you know which state which region of Australia's running but today Kinda quiet with ascot and Kalgoorlie. Which I've never even heard of. I thought I knew most of the tracks it Australia. This one a new one on me and actually there's a couple on Sunday that are I've never seen before either But the big ones caufield and ran wake no of course in Flemington in Melbourne. But ASK IT as well tomorrow. Randwick the a newman is the be Newcastle. And ask it and then kind of a Sunday it it's kind of a VC track. I think Based on on some ovals I've never heard of Maria Townsville Muggy and stay well and of course. That's about the best named racetrack in the world. Right now stay well then. There's also some other places that are listed Galler Lakeside Mornington and Pinola. We'll get chapter and verse from Andrew Walk Ins who is very very sharp and in fact Andrew's been handing out Big prices on the international stage with regularity including last week we mentioned we mentioned that doncaster mile where the dry cleaner the toy at a huge price and it was one of Andrew's suggestion so Andrew Nj Hawkins follow him on twitter looking forward to catching up with Andrew. He's had a he's had actually hectic week as mother not not Cova titillation but his mother had a hospitalization and surgery. So that was one of the reasons. We didn't get to him yesterday but she's okay so looking forward to catching backup. Andrew and I guess we'll call it international Thursday because Dick Powell will follow with the action from Hong Kong so the international stage will be set. We'll check in with Tony Black. See what Tony Thought about the D. Q I gotta say. Thank you again to Chris. Ca- TO LACK and I I. I'm really pleased with the way people responded to Chris's visit and how much they appreciated his straightforward explanation and the transparency. He tried to offer or players regarding the D. Q. on Wednesday and or on Tuesday and I thought Chris was just terrific and so I I sense that. A lot of people responded in the same way. But we'll see what Tony's thoughts were. You also got the perspective yesterday. Of course Jon White Steward professional official as well Steve asking and asking Haskins considering you know that the raising is limited and typically focuses. The three year olds He's he's been pulled in in a dozen directions. He's he's finding all kinds of interesting things to write about. And some of it actually motivated by things happening right ear on the show this week including the Mister frisky topic. That came up Steve was tickled by that and he was part of that group that that was very instrumental. Actually in Eddie Fontaine and everybody at Metro tariff being aware of Mister frisky coming up from Puerto Rico. So Steve's GONNA write a column because it's the big anniversary thirtieth anniversary of it and that motivated him and look forward to catching up with Steve and see. What else is keeping him occupied? We'll we'll certainly talk about this oaklawn steak. Which came up terrific I. There's no guarantee the Arkansas Derby would is going to be better so we'll talk talk about that in a second but Alan Foreman is gonNA join us as well late yesterday while we were on the air and a little too tied up on what was really. I don't know about you but I I I was a little I was a little emotionally wrung out by the end the yesterday by the end of the show and people the John Prime fans that they they really appreciated the cops we got six of them in and I think we might have created some new John Fans. There's the seems like there's two layers out there those that they've been listening forever and will miss John Terribly. Luckily a mammoth Cadillac of music. And then people who were unaware and who just you know. It was outside of their range of of of musical not appreciation. But just of of the things that they've heard and if you are a you know if you if you like. John Prime There there's so many from that. Same Ilk Jj Kale. I'll give you the JJ Kale. We'll give you give you one there. One of my absolute favorites effect with K C on the board. We may I may work in. Jj Cape Cod today about that. Got At least two at least two CDs. I think you've been. I think I've even got one of them on on my IPAD. But there's a John Prime style that you also may not be familiar with. Jj Count. Alan Foreman is GonNa join us and I don't know how I went off in that direction but Oh because Alan and the the T. H. A. Announcing late yesterday while we were on the air that the match series will be tabled will be cancelled for twenty twenty. Because there's just too much interruption in the schedule of the mid Atlantic tracks that are involved so allendale detail what You know what else they might do. and in addition last week via teleconference there was the annual spring mid Atlantic Association. The teleconference and what I went to last year at Delaware Park and they had a very productive meeting. So we'll get a view of things from Alan as well this morning enriching so there you go Couple of news and notes from yesterday and Particularly the results at Tampa. And you know it was interesting sequence. It ended up being. You know very very formal however it it pay twice the parlay so you know it was worth playing from that standpoint and I imagine that even some of you that played with a limited budget that just kind of you know just play to have some action you may have. You may have gotten through this sequence and noble intentions. Who was very much. The worst beat in that in that first leg comes through as the favourite and as it happens the can swayze's Philly ran very well finest jewel. She she was on the lead and then was confronted by noble intentions. Mike Lehrman Noble Mission Philly and Noble Mission Noble intention ends up prevailing Under Danielson Tena pays six sixty. The second leg was the one that nick yesterday suggested. You might single. If you're looking for a single and God is a girl can get comes through. And here's Santino again this time for Sean. Moro and owner William McCarty and this I Dude Philly Had to hold off Langi Lee and just was able to do it Leslie. Mowing was bearing down. But God is a girl can get able to win At seventy cents on the dollar and pays three forty. So you know so far your for to the third leg barrel a destiny. And the certainly a ores well-known to New Yorkers and at sixteen and Tony Granitz handling Varela destiny for Tri County. And who of course Has got this mayor the wonderful barrel of joy the Disco Rico Mayor. She's been very productive and here was an eight dollar. That was a nice price eight dollars and when as favourite however there were five horses in that spot I in that third leg there were five horses between three to one and essentially nine two to five of them And barely destiny just goes off favored and the Guy. Ardo manages to hold off Main A- and monkey mind monkey mind was one of the other was co second choice so right now you're doing fine you're three for three double deep. Amelia's wild ride. Who were separated by twenty cents and double deep ended up? Going off favored went off the just the under three to two pays four eighty and Emilia's wild ride would have been a take over three to one off at a dollar sixty and the ran fine but w Ben Feliciano and MC are stable. The ghost sapper five year. Old gelding but Nice effort by amuse wild ride for Jane Savelli Broad Street racing. The Great Dean did come running third. If you if you latched on in a new that you know the was going to need pace and got within three links at ten to one so if you if you use great Lou Dini who. We mentioned as a kind of a late runner but so far. You know you're you're you're you're more or less. I gotTA think most people have those four races on their ticket. We then get to the NIGHTCAP and it comes down late to clear as day and windfall profit and I I imagine Willie Martinez might want to have this one back but Angel Suarez for Mike Stidham and Pin Oak. One of their home breads Aski- Mesa Philly Breaks her maiden the four year old out of the King Mambo mayor much obliged and show and Stu Johnny will wait for another opportunity you know th they called it a nose but it was pretty clear It was clear as day at seven to two pays eight eighty. I've got a big I. I did not that the pick five but I make one bet or bet on one horse. I should say that Texas Promo girl that I talked about who ended up at thirty three to one and all I want to talk about a thrill I thought when they turned for home and at a nice job by Harry Hernandez he was to hold her together and is she just gets overhauled. I only needed her to finish third for something if she if she manages I did a reverse tricky and better win place but only needed it or did it do was was hold third and she couldn't do it. She ended up being Neck then headed by toiling star and heavily pays that. I you know I wasn't unhappy. I was not unhappy with the effort. That Texas Promo girl turned in on the front end for Ken. Wesley Nice Stripe at thirty almost thirty three to one. So there it is and there's your pick five and it pays two hundred and sixty dollars and I did a quick yesterday Some of the guys on Derby trail hit nick ahead. Nick headed for two bucks with you know with and he laid this all out for you and he had it so he had it four times center and paid would've paid significantly more if windfall profit wins the wins in their sugar. Wins in there? The thing paid I think an extra two hundred and twenty dollars for every fifty cents so that was probably a little bit of a tough beat on that front but listen still better to cash but it might quick calculation said that this thing pay twice the parlay with a favorite an odds-on favorite three to one favorite where the public was having trouble separating horses but barrel destiny at to be on your ticket then a three to two favourite and a seventy two favorite. It was worth playing a lot of you hit you must have. What did they bet it? Actually I didn't look at that. What did they. It's calling the pool. The pool was one point. Seven million. And there was. What at eighty thousand dollar carryover eighty-one Thousand Dollar Karaoke walk? Wow that's why it paid twice the parliament. And that's why these that's why these big five carriers have been so popular it because especially the fifty cent increments from the Jackpot separate topic but the fifty seven commit it it. It invites coverage of horses that are extraneous. So then when a chalks out like this you know. There's so many horses that have been covered. The multiples are just out of. You know they're just too many multiples too much dead money on horses that people were hoping would would get involved so everybody got paid. I guess a good work and thanks to neck for a great job so I was Tampa yesterday mentioned oaklawn and obviously we'll talk plenty about it. It's a terrific hard absolutely terrific. The one thing that I hope we get is decent weather because the last weekend rain Friday Saturday not pleasant. Let's see what we can discover on this front very quickly. Suburban Heights hot springs. National Park is my list thing right. Now it's sunny. Oh my God eighty percent chance of rain. You gotta be kidding me. Holly Nice Today Gorgeous tomorrow and then eighty percent chance of rain Saturday. Eighty percent chance on Sunday just ridiculous thunderstorms Saturday night. God break well so keep the wet track in mind the sequence this oaklawn stakes holy cow top to bottom basin asked me said jrue coach by Phil. Bauer mister big news. Callo thousand words Baffert so rick. The Doro shoplifted asked Santana flap. Jack who I the sister that I I was not disappointed with the cubs. Back second off layoff. I liked that Jack did this without that. Tation that people excited about this digital from Calhoun. Cox's got something natural in here with the Fernando delacruz Background Mike. Pitch the town. Joe Rocco Farmington road. Pletcher said he was sending somebody and it's the eclipse Priscilla's Lapente with Martin Garcia and then Gold Street drew wide for Mike. Mccarthy Steve Asmussen Tyler Baze and the other stake the oakland miles terrific with a field of fourteen. Let's take a break. We'll start out with international coverage. Andrew Hawkins Next Apple Races with Steve Big on Sirius. 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Meanwhile I'll mention a reference that other stake at at oaklawn on Saturday In addition to the three year old action and Going to be very interesting looking forward to discussing it but the mile which starts the late pick four fourteen horses Improbable comes back and ends up in the fourteen hall. No bargain but slick silver and Mr Money. Tom's they taught draws the three Pioneer Spirit volt door. Mg Warrior snappers and Claire Bank. It homerun trick long range. Taty Guinness Kershaw for Tim. Yak Teen and actually filled. D'amato excuse me Guesses acting fight on Doug. O'neill half the fields are west coast traders and improbable so feel fourteen for that miles There's also Samedan specials in here on Saturday at Oakland and it closes out with a A good allowance which features any number of familiar older horses including colonels dark. Kemper jinks fires in there Jungle Warfare Lima. Night for Assen and Ron Winchell And others twelve field to close out the sequence and the pick five starts with an allowance a mile allowance. Which is a Nice. Nice Twelve Horsfield and Just a a very major Saturday card at oaklawn Well KS GONNA keep trying here to get get. Andrew all right so be and it really. It is a good opportunity because Randwick is right in the middle of their right in the middle of their. I guess spring for there. It's fall but You know they're right in the middle of their their steaks season and Typically the last weekend in March or the first weekend in April will be there. You know there are two sets of stakes and the Darby was last week. The oaks is this week Last week the three stakes the Smith the Derby and the Doncaster Mile This week the oaks and five I I think my count five other big money stakes and okay so you do have the well it is. It is to be fair. It is right now. It's got to be about one thirty. A M In in I think I don't know if I if Antrim is. I'm not sure if he's in Perth or if he's in if he's in Sydney but anyway I it's I did the calculation yesterday And I think I think it's one thirty in the morning over there. But he says he says he stays up till till typically it'll too so tomorrow your action For those of you if those of you on the East Coast the first of the stakes. You've got from racist three to ten tomorrow night. in Randwick you've got all stakes action and so on the West Coast. Seven forty five Pacific. Is the third race poly track provisional championships quarter of a million dollars and starts at ten forty five eastern? And then? After that the Percy Sykes stakes three hundred and seven thousand Australian dollars as the fourth. That's a an eight twenty Pacific eleven twenty eastern. So you know like I said last week I remember when we would play Hollywood. The Great Hollywood Friday night cards. That's what this is. Think of it that way then comes the airfield the sprint three hundred thousand dollar group to eight fifty five Pacific eleven fifty five eastern is a few horses. You've you've heard of in in the airfield. The Australian Oaks Nine Thirty Pacific. Twelve thirty am now Friday night into Saturday morning. The Australian Oaks and This a field of fourteen big bulky full fields and then the Schweppes Sydney cop six hundred thousand dollars grade one group one ten fifteen Pacific one fifteen eastern and This a very nice group. You look at a thirteen Horsfield for that. And it closes out with the one point. Two Million Dollar Queen Elizabeth stakes. You know it's important because it's sponsored by Longines and ten fifty five Pacific one fifty five eastern time and then there's the to let people leave There's even a steak after After the Queen Elizabeth is to There's The coolmore legacy eleven thirty five Pacific to thirty five eastern and I- Amazingly Natoli is gonNA come back and and run on seven days. Rest g unbelievable after the huge win last week and then the Sapphire stakes as well as the tenth twelve ten A. M. Pacific Time three m eastern. So you night owls on the East Coast You're you're GonNa you can hang in there from ten forty five when the stakes start at Randwick. Pp's available free at Brisbane that and maybe maybe we'll get Maybe we had ed and maybe James will tie on Renwick or more Kelly. Reilly certainly she's She's a candidate for it and we'll see if deck Scott any ideas. He certainly delivered the Nice Winter. He delivered the Nice winter in the Darby on On Friday last week Thursday quick thinker so all right You're struggling gays You got but case. He did say he got his his voicemail. And we know we've got we've got the number right. I still voicemail all right. I'll I'll see if I can't raise them You know we can do that. We can shift. Let's shift over to Hong Kong and get Dick Powell in instead all right. Yeah go to Dick and I'll see if we can't see if we can't. I don't WANNA say wake. I feel terrible. I don't WanNa wake them up but Let me send Let me send this note. Andrew while Casey Raises Dick Powell and There we go now responding so he. He's he's clearly awake. Let's see what he says. Well we raised deck and this workout. You could have In fact That'd be perfect the K. Once you get sick and I'll see Andrews what Andrew situation is all right Okay Casey here's the deal Andrew Edry thought he said he's been getting a ton of spam international spam calls and he said Oh it's you sorry I've been getting spam all night so he blocked it that's why so he's going to unblock the number and Okay I'm GonNa tell him give us Give us ten ten fifteen ten minutes or so. That's pretty funny. Listen I know the feeling I suddenly on my phone. In fact calls are coming in saying potential spam right Is You get in that same kind of thing. Dick Powell joins US Dick. Good Morning. Good Morning I have hall played here at home. Fries and scrambled eggs. Look at you while I was making breakfast when when you was thinking you're going to get Andrew I don't WanNa ruin. I'm going to ruin your breakfast. You make your own home. You cut your potatoes and these these. I didn't usually. I do what I do is I- i- boil up a bunch of potatoes mashed about half of them for dinner and put the rest away and then use them. Problems rides the next day. Jesus is just frozen added Bhagwan so well so so you you like chunk you like the Chunky home fries style. Well I have both. I have the really small ones though the like mobile diced. That's a dice and I have. I have another brand of so maybe half an inch by half inch a little bit bigger. See how much I like shreds I. I'm a I'm a shredded Y- Ash Brown type. That now that they have these glass top stoves. You can't put a skillet on them that they just they just don't work you know you're GonNa ruin the stove so a good steal skillet. You would put stuff in and you adjust. Burn the living daylights tape. Yup can't do that anymore. Well speaking of which I told everybody I don't know if I talked about it on the radio but I did talk about it on twitter teen and I last week saw that really disturbing dark waters that that essentially tracks the lawsuit In West Virginia Against Dupont regarding teflon. And you know and I I remember the headlines and the story lines but I did not know the details and it is horrifying mark. Ruffalo Plays the attorney who has spent literally his whole career on this and the PF as you know the false exactly and you know. Tina grew up there and so she's intimately familiar in fact there's a scene at a town meeting it falls in dark waters and The famous father and son doctors that essentially identified the issue in who's That she very friendly with was her was her pediatrician. as a child and The this was so disturbing then. We turned around and watched the documentary. The devil you know which is so damning against three M and Dupont that it I mean it will horrify you. What they what they've done to the public Not just North America a worldwide and With they say ninety nine percent of of people worldwide have have these pf always in their bloodstream. It is unbelievable so I got rid of I. Bought a new set of Danish cookware called Scan Pan That has the newest technology and his. Pf Oh a free and started cooking with it yesterday For Passover help everybody had a good first. Seder such as they were Multiple Bar Matzo Ball. Barbie went through five. She the personal best for for Tina. Anyway the roundabout way of saying that this cookware. I should be able to do some dynamite hashbrowns with with with skillet. Yeah you when you want to me. You want when you anything like that. You want to scrape it out of the skillet doubt. No doubt but I didn't do that this morning. No more tough luck guys give. Everybody and I is a few people who've responded including our friend. Ralph Conti Ralph's wife. The same thing. She went into the kitchen throughout everything she had that That had a PF coating on it and was was alarmed Unbelievable all right that there's there's there wasn't interesting. What falls issue was politics completely opposite of what you might believe that the leader the guy who expounded in for the current readily county executive and Steve is not the most popular. He's very outspoken. Point of you know name calling whatever and he got him and he fought in e could not get our state government to do a thing. I mean nothing Steve. Mclaughlin was to lead of it. That fight are some draw. Absolutely and I'm I'm trying to remember I if Tina was close by. She's they're doing a. They're doing a thing with the kids today. But I I'm trying to remember the name of the of the doctor who I was able to sort of tie. He he started to see. You know these unusual cancers and began to realize that something was amiss and that You know the the water that there was a something in the groundwater that You know was making people sick and I mean Tina. Tina's WANNA teens girlfriends. When we went there wedding rain cancer rang cancer just and suffered I it it. I'll tell you it. It just unbelievable very I want if I go up to the barn and open the hydrant and light a match. The match goes up about a foot. Well that's That's that's fracking right. That's that's methane in the FRAC act. I'm Steve I'm sitting on a gold mine here. They won't let I haven't methane. Gasoline can't believe in my a while they've stopped right then. We stopped in New York correct. We never allowed it. Okay all right but it's like it's we have. We have an entire water treatment system in our basement of you ever walk down the besides what that looks like a Rube Goldberg type thing. Because we we always had met in the water and God knows what else felted and cope it again and stuff like that. That's just that's just natural stuff that's necessarily pollution. That's the way it is nothing but not doing me any good pain. King. I love it. Well we We're GONNA talk Australia and a little bit with the with Andrew. But you helped everybody. That was listening last Thursday deck and that Bush was very nice in the Darby and a seventeen forty quick thinker that was a pedigree push. I love so you'd think I I think he's you know He. He came off the track. He was purchased for an enormous sum of money. And he's not I. It's weird because Australia's so speed oriented and the have a ten furlong galloper just isn't what sells down there. So he stands for thirty eight thousand Australian dollars. He had a million dollar yearling yesterday in English on Monday and But but he hasn't gotten the support he should have up. There was some question about him getting the mile and a half and I was worried about it and and I think that be right hoping by someone from the news on Yes pretty sure and you know he moved early which is dangerous on wet ground going a mile and a half but he got it out and just just he was fantastic. Just just fantastic. So I was. I was very happy about that. One seventeen forty seven eighty five ten and it ended up actually with some other Prices That that filled out yet a fifty six dollar exact for two bucks Twenty cents try paid one sixty one and the super twenty cents super paid nine forty one so some big numbers and then of course later you know you had you had nature strip Beat Santa Ana Lane in the sprint in the Smith. I can't seem to get Santana Lane over the top but then Natalie right there. It was good effort. No not at all. But then the performance of Nafta and Andrew Hawkins gave out Natalia everybody And not as just as a long shot play but as a win as as a wind choice and pays one hundred and twelve seventy unbelievable at his back and and and she's back she's back Tomorrow night running again. That's so that was the first of the two big weekends at Randwick. We'll let Andrew deal with that unless you've got any ideas about the the sequence but let's get to Hong Kong in first okay Last Sunday duty generation won the champions trophy. He looked like the old generation. He was ridden cold They turned for home. Zach had moved the muscles the race went according to form with the Star and why Kaku stock in the inside Zach took the lead about a furlong out was the strongest wire Time Kinda slow that night. One thirty three point four nine and he's running faster but Justice very dominant performance. Now when he comes back and three weeks for the the big international races those handicap races. So he's GonNa have to give. Why Cou I think it's eight pounds so that that was weight for age the next round. The big races are handicap races but beauty generation. Look like he's back on his game to Sprint Cup. While I was all interested in at Theros three-year-old who broke horribly rushed up. The traffic was ranked as could be I just. He could not have run a worse raise. Meanwhile voyage voyage warrior guns to the front. And that's it. He never stops so he pulls the upset and they made the thing is and maybe financial can answer this question. Is there anything that that collation of war cannot do I mean? He's winning group to six long sprints. He's winning the Melbourne Cup winning races. All over the world at various distances as various surfaces. And it's just it's I know horses have gotten off. The hot starts at Stud but I can't even more horse getting off the head start with the variety of instances in everything that it's done it's since remarkable and. I remember him because I needed him the hold on a second and the Breeders Cup classic and Wayne comes along and nails me. A Flyer for second with We'll take charge behind tra- Macho man right declaration of war. Almost one the classic defeat a quarter of a length on them on third. And he's a he's a war front so you know to walk offering seems to be able to do anything but getting a Melbourne Cup. One group sprints and everything. It's just amazing. Some voyage worry was great at therapy. You have to throw the race out. Hopefully he didn't come out of it any worse for the wear he sent back for the sprint rates. Coming up in three weeks so those are the two big stakes from last weekend. Yesterday we had Happy Valley. We had the normal eight races at Happy Valley. We had the normal two favorite twenty for the normal twenty. Five percents percentage. One thing last night that was noticeable. Happy Valley has starting at holes twelve points every race had twelve. Many of them had extras so even if they were going to be a scratch that we're going to have twelve horses so you ran eight races yet. Ninety six starters. That's that's par for the course. Fabu valley so nice competitive racing. They're the only come parts of got a double was Chad Scofield. He had two winners We go to shot in for an eleven race card Sunday House. Time will be twelve thirty eastern time. horses. I like a Leitner card some race. Nine thousand meters sprint. This is down the straightaway. Last night we saw two thousand Prince Happy Valley but they go around the turn. This is down the straightaway. I like them. Twelve Kerr Panning. John more big ride a switch hitter. Zach Curtin second time startup. Didn't get away. Well it's career debut going six furlongs in pastime. Now Shawn's back five. I think with the race on the Ritz Belt and the straight away. I think he can work out a trip. So that's raising the nine number twelve ten. I like them a to beauty smiles. No surprise horse is big Irish. Form Group placed going eighteen hundred meters. Now it's going to go. Fourteen hundred meters today. Obviously hadn't raced in Ireland since October. Twenty sixth to twenty crews Zach. Pardon Tony Obviously knows how to get them. Ready off the layoff and he's eh. Needs while spotted here. He's waited at eighty so he's in a class. Three is at the top of class three and He just and it's a trail so he's he's highly regarded so race ten. We're GONNA go. Probably with the favorite number two beauty smile and race eleven. I like them a treat crept. This is a four year old. How many these four year olds that are in this race had been in against Colon sixty? So that's kind of the measuring stick. The crypt has a big race to back on seven. Furlongs which is Saturday Sundays Distance. Danny went in that two thousand meter race that would golden sixty and Playa Puentes with the big ride by Blake Shelton. So that was way way beyond the scope now. He turns back to fourteen hundred meters. These Santa Dark Angel is a top top sprinting. He gets Sack pardon and Frankie laws. The China's a number three decrypt and what is pretty much the feature race in race number eleven so race eleven number three decrepit Saddam's three picks for unable wanting twelve thirty eastern time. Post TIME NINE THIRTY POST TIME. Time for the first race. Excellent awesome kicked Grant vankirk out of like. It took his license away. He's gone another singer. Anything in the one of the stories in the case of the domestic dispute. Oh so he'd been. Writing was a top five writer. Not Anymore about that. Got To be on your best behavior and you know when when you have a limited amount of licenses. They're really valuable in truly competitive to get one so it's not the place where you want to. You know ask issues and stuff exactly because they can. They know they. They know them. Obviously everything's done with a tight eye on everything that's going on on-track and this. This was apparently an off track episode. That's well yeah not not a good time internationally either to be To to get tossed out of out of jurisdiction. No no absolutely not I I know Andrew will talk about it. Australia has just done a phenomenal job. Maintaining race in programs. Not just at the big metropolitan tracks everywhere everywhere. They've done a sensational job. And you know in America Summit erases start at nine thirty ten o'clock eastern time. So there's you know with no harness racing on at night. Austrian racing is coming in. And it's it's fantastic to watch and follow. It's very very wet. That's one of the issues for Ran Away Friday Friday night Saturday Mornings. How wet the track will be. They cancelled. I know last week. One of the one of the one of the. I may still have it in my notes. I might not that that ended up canceling. I'm called ran two races and they have abandoned. Yeah I D- I had it on and I watched the first rates and then the second like what is going on that dog. What pouring rain and they already had a time. They already listed as a heavy eight which is getting to the bottom of the ground and then they had more rain so they abandoned and that's been pretty wet most of the country so we'll see what ran was the last week. I think Renwick was a seven or eight so I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be shocked if it's an eight again. Which is soft. And they called. They call wet track specialist over the mothers because they really are running in mud with with with a loose surface. Well we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA have Andrew Hawkins Join US deck. I appreciate it have to look forward to listening to well and you can enjoy your breakfast warming up in the microwave and does tune in the Dick Powell everybody h JC Hong Kong Jockey Club and of course before deck Andrew Hawkins for to seize at least two seasons maybe even a third provided the Hong Kong Jockey Club analysis. Then he left Hong Kong back in Australia now. And he's still providing a lot of winners including last weekend last Friday night if you were paying attention and you follow Andrew. You should on twitter. Andrew and Jay Hawkins Andrew hands out into toy who paid one hundred and twelve dollars winning the doncaster mile. She's back again this weekend. There's probably probably a significant delay on the phone. So bear with us on that but Andrew Hawkins. Welcome back pain Walzer very on show. It's been Still a twenty awareness to be fans still andrew. I'm sure you're following the situation. You You keep tabs on racing internationally and With our limited menu of options. Here people are looking at Hong Kong. They're they're looking to Australia. And with this big these big two weekends the championship season at Randwick a perfect time to reconnect with you. Give everybody take a couple of minutes and give everybody an overview of the the Circuit New South Wales and South Australia Queensland etc the the way the racetrack season is laid out and how the groups You know how the four tracks run a day give everybody just sort of the primer on Australian racing. I well that's a very very good question. Save and the ad goes into that But the best way to start is that as you say. You're dealing with the redwood. Get the this weekend now. This is the championships this weekend. the championships in the combination of Sydney. Also fold their here The citizens bank reverse so It's very much the combination of the Sydney Carnival the Sydney or cities year round Actually to be fair most places in Charlotte to see round but Sydney here comes to the fore in the awesome Relative coming to the floor in the spring as well but One it's best to look at at straddling rising at the age of the tracks Each of the states is very much a similar to states in the US or If you look at pricing in Europe for instance All the different jurisdiction in the France Bates operates As an individual year There are some overriding Rules that govern straddling driving but generally they operates separately in terms of the state so Again similar to to what it is in the US but obviously dealing with less Less number of states With tour the to really many powerhouse sites in Australia. Sydney is touring. Yogurt is Then you get to sort of a second team which is Queensland Australia. He do sometimes get Western Australia. Having some features and you'll also get Tasmania pages has made me at the moment Not Rising have been cancelled. At the moment juicy They've tried to to shut down the sweat of corona of ours but At the moment the rest of Australia continuing on and the white happens in this type. I'm not sure which we're which meetings get chosen. I know that you have exposed to choose from usually. There's actually more meetings are not going on in Australia but They generally like the the biggest fall or the most probably wagering options To go into the sites so again The state operate year round there are peaks and troughs to the different states At the moment you stop allows to account to the end of its Pay Period until That August September at the moment say starting over the next few weeks. Queensland would normally be The the state coming up in manager. But the Mama Juda Crowbars. They've actually regionalized the state. Because of that they blacktop prices. So it's It's it's very Fluid situation things changing even within the regular bands of writing down here but That's the case All over the world one hundred. There's there's over one hundred and twenty racecourses in Australia and Tasmania. Yes that's correct and what's even more amazing about that is not just those that rice with tap mazing. I mean Tab In strategy the pedal That's a tough Stralia Runs both the the the also be vision rod through Scott Rising and so because of that Type meetings were tap meetings Hundred Twenty device courses but at thought of that they're also we hope pictographs tracks which rights tracks that belong to the country has had twenty people but basically every country has struck of its own and usually once a year And you get horses on a little bit. Wacky might say we we figure out sick in the site But it's even though but I it just how part of the fabric of Silence Well We. You know we have been looking mostly at the D- That's the that's the presentation that The North American tote for the most part has But even like even this weekend in addition like to tomorrow evening for us and and into the early morning hours Randwick Doumen Newcastle. And ask it. But there's also you know some of those small regional Places like galler. Lakeside Mornington Finola Sunday Maria Townsville. Mudgee and stay. Well those are the the ABCD tracks on on Sunday. I lost my side that I was very impressed with your pronunciation of spices. Thank you well. I'll tell you what I was impressed with that was that was you giving out that. Toyah in in the Doncaster Mile Andrew last week. What did you like about her? She was out posted and yet a big win. At what fifty five to one big speakers and that's on very proud of Numbers in Cyber Especially those that. What just straddling quite a bit. The Don cost the mall of the Randwick. Sixteen hundred baiters the Randwick Ball. And that's very well known for being a testing Mall especially given That is a big field It's actually a one cent mall but it's still quite a testing rice. I normally go quite fast. And so I knew that should be suited with the way the rights to be run She was coming off a good performance at rush hill at silly prior to that she ran be ran but steaks and should finish behind. Adapt who London the Queen Elizabeth stakes on the weekend as well as a very elegant who saw counting the Tankard Bun Open links The homeless good being back in the field and at two thousand derives and she's made up could grant but it was very much an on Thais by the fact that she was a good performance trying back to sixteen hundred skin suit. She's one three seven at the track before including Really impressive I up at the Randwick sixteen hundred and she's getting the AD in the white so die from white price to a handicapped. Most of big rices especially big field their handicaps which made the looking at the whites and looking at the relative Spread and where choices is white pants and their opposition so crucial And so for me. When I was looking at the rice I saw two horses. That really stood out to me by some ways. They were whited she was one of the other was contact. How are you trying to buy wisely? Would sure and she got well. She should start. group In the Komo classic down here which is a phillies amaze handicap oxygenating. Sadler show and she was. She was up on a on a fast aid and the fact that she managed to stay on she. I think she sticks baiting that seemed like that was a really good effort. Sorry Always offers really happy. To equip those two I needed opposite into the field and Thankfully and Toyota Cup of losses possibly wanted her not ravel's pays one hundred twelve seventy forty four sixty and thirty fifty and actually the Tote Star of the seas who finished second was also enormous. You had twenty three hundred dollar exact here. In last week's Don Caster Mile in the Smith Five Santa Ana Lane who was my horse in the Everest this year as part of a charity contest Santa Anna Lane second to Nature Strip for Chris Waller that in the Smith. And we've already talked about The Darby with quick thinker and Dick Powell gave everybody quick thinker in the Derby. Andrew bit mentioning last week's three You know the way the the three stakes turned out last week. Let's turn our attention to tomorrow night. Andrew and This tremendous card that's highlighted by two group one's the Queen Elizabeth Stakes One point two million Australian dollars and Let's start there if a great show as you cited acquaint lives mistakes. It's it's a real Hollywood and the thing with succeeds. It's getting real the national field which is fine. It's actually quite rare at the moment given trouble sections between country so I was GonNa jump and as writer in a ban on praemium share lost year. Lucilla so come on on the plight and we also Chris Rock in back in Japan she run. She wanted me. Ray McKinnon very aggressively baiting. A field that included arendal. So we'll get to see her step out a diet. Who had that four magic who in Europe A really strong attract. The also convince quite close up to To Ella can match at Royal Ascot nauseated. So let's see if you want a group on the Stroller Lock. And then you get your very elegance to get to say Coming out of big tankred win. And then we get to see you in same colors. The Traffic Jackass shocker. If you haven't watched the show and I can Cap Sakis Breeding Monster Chestnut and he's he's one my popular horses going around Millie Bell. She's just an incredibly consistent. May it's a great with rights acquaintances with the about. It is one of only four One of Is just a phone group? One races or grade one races we get to the works for the phillies and It was a clash between the locks of public bill shop. The Bar and collect We get to say The corner legacy. We're seeing the Toyota Cup. But she's going to take on a a really fun star is Really really promising and if philly and then he gets to say that the the the the the Sydney coppins well that's the other one the to com and share interesting Stein rights. Because Australia is not a lot of size around. You get their horses out. They don't really suited. That's GonNa be interesting because we inhabited the horse. They called young. Who does look very hot debate? So it's gotta be a Greg is rising and I think it's definitely worth with shoot again There's some quite betting rices well so Or suggestions look at thought the market later because there is plenty of fan. You just need to Just a little bit into it and there's some they're just just fond angle five. Thank you for us and There's value we fan partial Andrew. I I do want you to give a couple of You know a couple of bankers That you like going into tomorrow and and we also WANNA give everybody direction in to you on twitter and and you know where analysis where they can learn the most and get a good feel skysports etc will get to that in a second. I I do want you to talk. One thing as we look at Randwick because Randwick's it's right handed right. We've got Th-they're there's right handed and left handed ovals in Australia which might be a little challenging for people and confusing with the best way to look at it that way. Is that in New South Wales officer Sydney With his face the end I do right. So you're It dates back historically Basically the way it is is that Sydney New South Wales and Queensland They rice wrought handed And then I was sites Wright's left-hand for the tour I writes left handed it back strategy. Left-handed Western Australia. Rice is left handed. And the reason for that I. It's a historic. Raising are believed that has to do with the fact that rising was started up by British colonists Back in the eighteen hundreds where it was mainly the American influx of The gold rush in the mid fifty to raise them that A different direction story. So we'd Sydney whenever you're looking at Sydney rice it will be Headed but again that might be looking toward for instance the Cox plight that Rice There well randwick tomorrow and as I told everybody earlier the stakes action starts at seven forty five Pacific California time. So if you're on the west coast it it's a it's just like Hollywood. It's it's Friday night at Hollywood for you At randwick and East Coast time starts at ten forty five and will go until three ten a m with that. Sapphire stakes closes out this. Almost all state card Ten Race Card with the seven eight stakes Andrew. Couple your best bets Tomorrow right now because I don't want to pay one eight six It's great on number seven. He topic comes your brother Andrew Andrew. You're breaking up. You're you're breaking up pretty good on us here but I you're talking about the New Zealand bred toffee tongue. Who is going to be the seven In terms of saddle cloth. It's going to leave from the from the post position to they barrier draws and two so. The Post position does not correspond to the number But toffee tongue and you get Karen mcevoy aboard put Vince. Australian puppy is towards the Tokyo. Where the The re- promising Combo pack public. Tom As k plan real cool with a Bang Bang A really the second. Lastly still trips desert. She's going to be a bit of across. So you're right some seven and Can Cause a thickly. Sweet sugar spouse. That's a good one. And that's in the oaks. The OAKS will go as the sixth. The STRALIA OAKS AT NINE THIRTY PACIFIC. Twelve thirty eastern and Andrew with the with the phone giving us a little bit of a hiccup I'll pull up here and we'll we'll tweet out links To you Andrew J Hawkins on twitter and Andrew will have plenty of information for everybody and you and I off air. Andrew will will direct With your help we'll direct people to you know some of the other resources to help them understand and play Australia and We'LL START TO CHECK IN WITH IRREGULARLY QUARTER. H. Plays like Plato Praying look look hardly getting through the IMPROV NICKEL. Were no not at all. Don't worry about that and we'll get to work on that. Maybe maybe we case maybe we. Maybe we skype with Andrew may be that might be an alternative to patch him through rather than the phone You know there. There are times when we would talk to Andrew on his Hong Kong phone clears about that. You just can't tell but it's a real pleasure to get Andrew back on the show one of the really well respected international opinions out there and you'll you'll do very well following Andrew and You know his some of his ideas and opinions About as good as anybody in atmosphere Honestly we had a lot of fun with him when he When he was handling the Hong Kong staff and in fact I'm GonNa forget the WHO what race it was from about three weeks ago and I know that he had There was actually erase it. Hong Kong. I was just watching that got up at. I think what was it was it the Was that Haakon the Hong Kong Derby. I think the price in Hong Kong Derby and Andrew suggests that that one is You know as an alternative at least as a exotics us. So he he sniffs out prices There you go you got a little bit of a primer. Sorry about the connection. 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Boo Rits & The Missing Years - Marshmallow Jello

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Boo Rits & The Missing Years - Marshmallow Jello

"Family friendly folk music. We'll talk about it on this episode of the my dog. Tv pop and one of my friends yet. Another episode of the my dog tv podcast. I'm mac napa thanks for coming. It's great to have you here as always good to be back several nights off in a kind of forgot how to do this. How do we start again. What do we say. What do we do Everything work all that kind of stuff. Just forget about. It's not like riding a bike folks take two days off and you forget to do everything Before we get started tonight and we're gonna be talking about this. Cd boo rates and the missing years. We'll be talking about that in just a moment before we get started. I wanna talk about this. I called a walls of secrecy by kelly messenger. Kelly was a guest About three or four weeks ago. Now right before the computer Crash that i had and for some reason we couldn't get streaming to work smoothly. The bandwidth wasn't working out for us. Who was on extreme delay. So i decided to try on zoom and so we did the interview on soon and Through made me download the recording to the hard drive and that night is when we had been crashing and applewhite my hard drive clean so that interview was lost forever This book walls of secrecy was what the interview was about. And so you know. I don't know how to make that right for kelly. I don't know whether had to have the interview again. And even though. I've already asked all the questions he's already answered. It feels phony to me. But i do highly recommend this book. This book. walls of secrecy was written miami to ten years in walla. Walla prison in washington state For a murder he did not commit. But that's not what the books about books about the corruption inside the prison system and how he's trying to change that And it's a it's very deep and it's very Very profound the corruption and and the stuff that goes on behind prison walls and the way the prison system is not designed to rehabilitate anybody itself punishment and punishment alone and so a lot of the guys who were in a net getting educated and they come out. They're likely to be repeat offenders. Because they haven't been rehabilitated in any way kelly's working through Work on that and and and reform. That book is called walls of secrecy by Kelly kelly d messenger. I hope you'll check it out. I'm gonna continue to be on this for a while. Because i feel really bad. The interview was lost to the data. God's somewhere and will never be retrieved so kelly d messenger walls of secrecy. I'll check it out So tonight we're going to be talking about this cd by boo ritz and the missing years. Now boo rootlets with on this program previously and we talked about a book that he has written about Well not so much about but it was kind of a fans Perspective on the life and songs one song at a time i believe is the name of the book of john. Pine and so We were we had that conversation in. Bruce mentioned to me that he was going to be putting out an album soon. And i invited him to come back tonight before i bring him in need to quickly talk about. Tonight's sponsors i showed. You buy audiobooks. Now dot com. You've heard me say that. So many times now You know about books you the convenience of what he looks and you know you can get just about anywhere on the web right now. So why audiobooks. Books now dot com. Well he answered simple price point price point price point audio books now that com a club pricing plan is simply the best deal on oriole books. You'll find it. Offers a savings and flexibility not found anywhere else with their save on everything discounts. 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Cd data had been waiting for releasing was just released today by boo ritz. And the missing years and boys here tonight To help me explain what happened to the missing. Is bruce boo welcome. Welcome back thanks. Great thanks so much for having me. It's my pleasure to have you now. I have questions to ask why. Why c. d. in in today's i know why i did it and i did it for the wrong reasons. And i'm i regret doing an actual cd y a cd rather than just like digital downloads. Well it all on digital downloads. The it came out today on spotify and apple music in anywhere. Three music gets there. I didn't see because i liked. The artwork won't having to cover i. Do i like the artwork to happens in my granddaughter. Eating some marshmallow on the cover. And i like having physical product I literally ordered one hundred of these. It's not very expensive to do with these days. It's remarkably inexpensive actually And there are some old school people who actually don't go online and listen music and they want cds so i was able to give a few away and most of them will sit in a box In my attic for future generations to look at it. I wonder what it was. Yeah i have to be honest with you. The only place i can listen to. It is out in the car. So i've listened to one because i don't travel much is on the way to gig. I think i got it friday. I listen to it on saturday on on the way to gigging back. But i haven't been out to the car right now. Listen i i hope that people find it and they'll listen to it on spotify apple music wherever they get rising. I have in a way. I think it's sad that there's no more physical product because people don't see the artwork they don't see the they don't see the exact names of the songs they don't see. Who wrote the song all those things. I mean you can get it if you know if you if you if you research i suppose and go to people's websites and whatever but on amazon or spotify they don't have that in the unless the You know the putsch there somewhere. But most people aren't digging around those Those notes so i mean you know you. You're you're you're of a certain age you remember albums and the album for that stuff absolutely. I love that stuff and I showed the outside. I don't know if we can trivia inside very much but the inside so i agree with you. I like having the physical product to and the artwork. I did you now is done by nick. Cunty who is the producer of the record and who actually plays instruments and does backing vocals and happens to be a terrific artists as well as a terrific musician. He's he the banjo player as well. Right he is indeed the joe and he played the octave mandolin played some guitar. He did a lot a lot of things. Right in inch interesting to have That kind of instrumentation in today's day. And as you say. A lot of young people especially Playing those particular instruments as multi instrument it. While he's he's a real good musician. He's a i guess you'd call an indie folk group called francis luca cord and it's it's nick and brian hours and the two of them are in a really good group. I wish i could promote them. More it's called. Francis look accord and they do just really sweet sensitive meaningful thoughtful Folk music and in a way. They're kind of a second coming of simon and garfunkel. Wow mayor they're very good and Anyway so. I lucky enough to become friends with nick. And he agreed to produce this and play a lot of instruments honored it and you hear a lot of their influence on some of the songs will actually a few people have said to me. A couple of songs have a little bit of a simon and garfunkel by. I the first. I heard the banjo on on the cd I think it was second second or third song in I i had a. I got a Ban morrison by you know the bright side of. Yeah yeah. I hear that yeah. That's what i'm compliment. I mean not. Not that i can never be van morrison but the the the the instruments that were played in the way nick produced the record gave it a really nice sound and ran. The banjo shows up a lot. And that was we decided on that late As we were sort of working through songs We decided to add some banjo. And the nick decided to end soon on more songs and more and then he kinda going it to another song to seven joined the party so it it. It's on a lot of songs so too so telephones about i mean you may to nick. Tell the folks about all the people on this record. These these folks there are. There are three of us. Who are the core group It's it's nick who down in the bottom of that picture with the banjo and then on the other bottom side is a matt. Lions and matt is the one with the guitar and most all the really good guitar parts lead guitar. Parts particularly are matt He's just a terrific also young musician who has his own As an ep that's He put out a couple years ago. He's a great guitar player So matt and nick. And i are sort of the core of the group and then I just brought in some other folks Other folks mostly family members to To add some things. Ma start with my three daughters there in the middle of the picture. Kcm lane molly molly. The oldest. She's on the right on the picture. Emily's in the middle casey's On the left side and molly does particularly good harmonies or. She is on a couple of different tracks. Doing some harmony vocals and response vocals. Emily does Lead vocals on it to at and casey adds some backing vocals on one of the songs. The song the all three of the marinas. The song about them Father wasn't saugus so that was just fun to have them Brian powers he's on the bottom right with a picture of him with the moose and brian is the music partner of nick. They're the two that. Makeup francis look a cord so when you know nichols producing I said you know. Maybe brian wants to play. A little bit of brian did some backing vocals and played the mandolin which is really cool and then on the top middle is my nephew. Teddy grossman who is a really good singer songwriter. Who has a new album coming out in november. He's got some singles that have just been released that he's getting a lot of traction for he's he's he's he's on his way to a rockstar to my think so teddy. Did some backing vocals on a couple of the songs and then my to my grandkids. My two older caller who's on the right. Just cut an intro to a song and an altro to a song. But jane who is in the picture with me. does some backing vocals and literally the twelfth track is I mean i guess it's a little bit of a novelty track of sorts. But she she wrote it. She wrote the song sings the song. Wow very cool one minute and twenty two seconds said if you listen to it it's called. I love mermaids. You will not regret one minute and twenty two seconds that. That's that's a. It's a minute twenty two seconds. Well-spent she Ah jane was hanging around at my home studio. She came up to. The room is kind of watching me do stuff. Then she the the way the sound booth is it is kind of near a a a bad because the studios in you know. It's an attic bedroom themselves. So the studio so she literally climbs up on the bed turns the microphone around so now she's know tall enough when she's standing on the bed to get to the mike anti just started singing and i said hold on for one second and i turned on the recording device. I you know. I sort of set it up for her and she started singing in it was cool and so then Matt added some guitar and added some harmonica to it and we created a little a little country song about i love mermaids. It's pretty cool and pretty cool. Yeah you must be very proud. Well you know. I i am proud again from where i started as musician. And we had this discussion. When i was here before about the john. Prime thing you know for most of my career. I was a you know a corporate lawyer so i was very traditional Working person and became a musician. Although i had great interest in music and did some music things in terms of being a disc jockey when i was younger and things like that i had never played so i started playing eight or nine years ago so from where i started to making an album like this i i am proud and i'm proud of it These folks join me and made What i think is pretty fun. Record as i say it's a kids a kid friendly record but it's most certainly not for kids only good rock and roll and there's some good folk stuff on there but there are definitely some key things that kids will particularly like when you say fun record The mean fun to listen to or do you mean you enjoy fund. I mean obviously both but When you say that are you talking about fun to listen to or fun you enjoy making it. I was really thinking about fun to listen to. It was fun to make. The process was was generally although out of it was the kobe process where we were doing it in individual studios layering things. It was hard to get all of us or some of us in studio together But i was really thinking about. It was fun. It's fun to listen to it. Just sort of upbeat. It's it it has Some just some fun topics in one songs about peanut butter jelly. And it's it's pretty good. Yeah dan gel songs pretty fun. You know they're just there. You got a comment in the room marshmallow. Joan reminds me of watermelon sugar. I don't know if that is that. A song watermelon. Sugar is but it is a song. I'm going to listen to it. It sounds good. You probably go out a nice Mix tape as they say with With mark knowledge why. You're unusual in that because you put the music on for for most of your career. While you were doing grownup things that your family would be a musically inclined because usually and on the same page with you as far as the kind of music and all that kind of stuff because usually when you see that it's families that have been making music together from birth in continually and and it's a generational thing you don't see it way. Dad put You know the band on hold thirty years while while he took care of the kids were hours more. I mean more openly musical than me they were inquires by one. Daughter was in an acapella group which was quite popular back in the nineties and early. Two thousands of you know so they're always been good singers and performers I probably had a little of it me but you know they they. They helped bring it out and You know they chuckled at me. When i first started doing music and recording stuff and it wasn't very good. When i first started but as the years of going by it's gotten better and i think this was pretty good I mean i. I think that if if if people will listen to it but gets a chance and it's hard i mean as you know the the museum with with the recording. It's hard to get noticed by anybody. But i think to the extended people listen to it. I think they will like something if not most of it. And by the way if they don't like it their kids or their grandkids. August's right right. Well i did have that right because you are unusual in that it works backwards with you. The kids kind of The one who got you back into music. So i i i raise amazon. Prime john bryan was sort of the youth so they knew that they knew they knew that kind of music. So the stuff that i'm writing. I don't wanna in any way compared to john prime but it certainly was heavily heavily influence right and you have a prime prime song on their Do have does it. What does it has nine. Originals and three covers and one of the covers john prime. If it's a one of my favorite sued the way the world goes round. I love that song. Yeah i i was kind of after. I heard that. I was waiting for another one. I was waiting for you here to hear big goofy world. But i o from now. We're we're going to cover territory. I want to talk about this kid. Brian on the bottom. Because you mentioned The nicotine in here in a duo and there. You mentioned time gov i'll go. I'll let the folks who get a good luck. Kate if we can because he looks a lot like a young paul simon. He doesn't think simon and he has. He has a beautiful. Both nick and bryan have great voices in fact for for those so inclined. If you went to youtube and search francis luke accord at. You would find a number of things but in including a couple of Simon and garfunkel covers that they've done videos and it's remarkable how similar they sound in how good they sound right dina. What's with that name. It 'cause it sounds like it's a person. It's one of those things that could be like. And i'm sure you grew up with the two willie jetro toy and i don't know who he is alice cooper. I don't know her Is that you know i. I know that knicks middle name is luke. I i don't know. If brian's middle name is francis or not. I know they they use middle name. I've asked them but it didn't stick their name and they you know they have. They have a bit of a following out there you know. Give their their They opened for group called darling side. They did a national tour. I know darling darling. Sides you know Yeah they're pretty well known in In folk circles and they had a national tour that these guys open forcing francis. Look the court has been around in fact even working up the chain darling side open for brand carlisle whose pretty pretty big these days and brandi carlile played a lot with john prime. So you know there. There are a couple of degrees. I guess it's good to see that there's still a folk circle 'cause you know with with what he in commercial radio these days. You never gonna hear that stuff. You have to find college radio station two year. That stuff played anywhere. Even there's a. I'm not sure they do it as much as they used to. In philadelphia there's a wfan which was a fairly sophisticated triple a station and they play. I think some folk But not as much as they used to You know the whole world is changing which is fine but I maybe it's because of apple. Music people are not curing their own lists are. They're getting Algorithms to tell them what to listen to. I don't know bird to get played. Yeah you mentioned your your home studio Now is this the first cd recorded. This is not I did a bad one. Haven't we all about Five years ago. And then i've done a three other ones. The one was under bruce ritz gilbert and that one actually had another john prime covered a cover of how lucky which i think is pretty good That was So that when the album Remember what. I can call the album but that that came out. probably Probably nineteen two thousand seventeen maybe And then that was just an ep of maybe seven songs and then there was another ep in two thousand eighteen. And that was the first one where we used. The missing years. Bruce gilbert and missing ears and in two thousand nine thousand nine hundred another one called twisting in the wind where we did another john prime covered but we did I think ten originals. on that. And then we've rebranded tabu rich missing years Only because bruce ritz gilbert and the missing here's is just a mouthful and the booze. What my grandkids. Call me so. I just decided to go through. It's it's unlike a better name to us. And i guess one advantage you have not that many people listed as if it changed the name nobody notices so i get it So so is is your studio. Baby jack studios is that can and so Have you learned. I'm assuming you've taught yourself studio the ira record production right in your home studio. I'm nick was very helpful in in teaching me stuff and kind of setting me up with the right equipment and But you kinda learn how to use the computer programs to set it up and But ultimately nick was one to the mixing and the mastering but in terms of recording. I could do a pretty good job in home studio. It's amazing what you can do these days as compared to the old days when people had to go into a real studio. No just don't do it anymore as you know yeah Yeah i you know. Basically can put out a song in an hour or less. Actually you can get it on the first take or two. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah but about the idea of producing though and i don't mean just a recording process. They mean a producing And i can't imagine what it'd be like working with family members because he can't be too stern or any of that kind of stuff you have ideas in your mind but working with people and say do this do that. challenging did you learn anything about that whole producer role. Nick is really the producer but i. co-produce some of the songs and i brought in my daughter's to my home studio We started this nick studio within with code. We didn't we ended up splitting When i brought my kids it was interesting. know they they all came in and they did it once and then they did it again and then they did it a third time and said no. We got to do it again and literally. I probably made them do ten takes. Wow we got an only. You're in bowling. I could. I could tell my ear. Now is good enough. That i could tell there. Were just some issues. And i'm not good enough on the on the computer to just plug it in. I mean occasionally. I can do that. But i really wanted to. Make sure i had a whole take. That was right. And then i then. I could start fiddling with one or the other but i i was. I made them do it a lot. You know One of them. I won't say which wants it. Okay that's enough then of course dealing with my five year old granddaughter. Jane was just very funny because she if she doesn't want record she wasn't going to record but once you once. She started doing a few things she was. She was sort of into it and occasionally i had to bribery with elisa. And did you record drum. Live drums and your home studio record. No nick did some live drums and we had a. We actually had a You'll you'll see this credit. To a guy named glenn farrakhan who did drums one track. And he did that and his Real big studio. That's where i had recorded Couple of the albums before So we had some live drums And some were computer generated Percussion which i'm not thrilled about. But they came out really well right. I thought they were all live in. Some of them are I don't have drums in my studio right because that that's difficult i it is difficult. Which is why. I ask because i know it's always a challenge to get a good drum room. First of all get them to sound right in the room tuning them. A lotta guys. Don't even know how to tune their own drums. That's always a problem. And then mike can them up again. Yeah making up some big deal. That's that i i would not. I mean i could fake it. But i really wouldn't know how to do that. Plus my home studio literally. I third floor attic bedroom. Which is really not big enough. For trump's i can get guitars and amps and microphones and a little sound booth in there but not much right. That's why. I got an electronic drum kit and i actually have a baby drum ca. A small wooden trump kit. It's professional drum kit but it's it's a little on the small mall based on all that stuff but yeah it's a pain in the butt get better. It's incredible whether the computer trump gift could do. An i when i'm sort of writing or not even sort of past the first stage writing on but try not to put something down on tape output on a computer drunk crack just to to keep my pace to keep the pace because otherwise like many folks start speeding up so i have the drum sat Certainly not perfect but it gives me a beat something to go to And i'm i'm amazed at how good they are and how good they sound It's it's incredible what where where that world has come to oppose. Professional drummers would disagree with that but I it's all of them. You know you'd get some but i think most of them agree about The sound now. I think mo if anybody Like has any reason not to go with them. It's about feel and all that kind of stuff and you know especially if you're playing with a band. It's very witty of coming out of the speaker when you've used to hearing it right there on the but you know it takes some getting used. I prefer electronic drums. It's it's just me. i've always been a little weird like that Tell me about the songs. So now Were they all written at one. I mean obviously. You didn't write them all. There were three covers in your granddaughter. But i mean the majority of the record is written. You were they all written at the same time. They were not just give some guitar. I did a draft of that song. I wanna say five years ago. And i i thought it was okay and then i'd revisited Know about a year ago. And i said this song is could be really good but i needed to redo it so. I rewrote many but not all of the lyrics and by the way that song has john. Prime referencing omar to john prime. I'm even though that song is nothing like john bryan song. That song is it sort of has a chuck berry esque feel to it. Yeah but It did strike me as a little bit. Prion initiates affect me as there are a couple of songs will prion. Has that chuck berry thing going on. And that's what got me I think I at least i saw him. Do it live once. I don't not naturally recorded it. And i can't it's song that was from paulo From pulp fiction You never you never can tell us in record that was he put that on. Should know this. It was either his second or third may third album. He he did that. Yeah john cryan us to talk about the what he called the chuck berry school of songwriting and the sorta thought it would have had sort of one. Beat two every lyric He you know he he he. He was a big chuck berry fan even though his songs for the most part were not you know in the in the same genres as chuck berry but he really liked him and he did cover the chuck berry song So that did come through. I mean it was a little bit priorities. Even though i obviously to to check with the league toss. That was again mentioned matt lately guitar. And he's really good and the madison only good guitar player. But he's he's very good at saying or sweet. Chuck berry thing here. I could do a little george harrison thing. I mean he's very good at At sort of picking up on what. Some of the famous guitar players do in doing rifts. Like that what about because i thought i picked up on some of this when i was listening to it can listening in the car while i'm driving to gig but thinking i'm hearing some grateful dead and some allman brothers type of influences in in his plane Now did was that intentional. No i wouldn't say that. I mean i i i i would say no. Those names never came up during our discussions. I mean matt certainly would you know would know them and matinee have talked a little bit about probably grateful dead. I'm not sure we ever discussed the allman brothers. Yeah i i don't know about that but you know to the extent that you hear that i i love that. That's actually feel great that those that those sort of sounds come through. Yeah definitely and more so in the tone in the playing. Like i think it just to tone. In the approaches he was taking. I thought some of those were a little garcia. Ask and some of them will dickey betts. You know very melodic pretty sounding stuff with with some real gibson to offender like A princeton showman typo for footprint vendor. Were bam you know. One of those deals. Yeah well he he. I mean maybe a little bit but just fema gibson guitar again was written. Say five years ago to start an kept the melody and a kept. Some of the words kept the basic chorus Although i sorta double the chorus and i did At some new lyrics sort of change the meaning of the song which really is sort of a song about you know. I'm trying to do a whole lot of things. I'm really unsuccessful at all of them So it's just me and my gibson guitar. And i think the song again because of a lot in large part because of matt's lead guitar it really is a fun song to listen to it together and up the chuck berry like Sound and i really like how you know what what we did with it. So that was written longtime ago. The others is you go to. The second track is marshmallow. That was that was new. That when i wrote Most of them were written at the beginning beginning last year. End of two thousand nineteen in the beginning of two thousand twenty and that That was in part inspired by my five year. Old granddaughter gene We were making jello together one day and she wanted to add marshmallows to it which i had never heard of him. I said oh. I guess we could do that. So we had marshmallow jello. And i said you know that the asong fiddling around with what was it meant to be a song for kids though or was it meant to be a song that kids can also enjoy. It was sort of started out as meant to be kind of a kid song. That was my idea. Although when you listen to it you know the lyrics are not killer. 'cause it's more sort of a it's sort of a know a a sad song of things aren't going well But you know when they're not going well they'll get better if you try some marshmallows jello so it had sort of a mixture of You know more more less kid theme with a little bit of a kid theme By the way. John was quite good. If you like marshmallows. Yeah sound bad. I'll tell you like sweet things So that song was sort of inspired by that and But that that was a new song. And then nick actually came in and Helped me right. He he changed if the cords added a few different lyrics and really made it You know a little a little better And his influence is really heavy on the production. he he added the banjo mandolin. Ukulele so we have a real full sound of that song. Sort of it's sort of folk sweet folk song has a little bit of a beat to it and Yeah it's i really liked that song. I'm pretty sure that's the one i was thinking of right. Sided road a debate martha thing. That's probably right. Living life off line is another new. One that i wrote the last year or so and that was sort of taking a shot at myself and everybody else who just looks at their phone a little bit or maybe a little bit. Too much You know you find yourself looking at it just too often for too many things that and yeah so that one is really. It's pretty straightforward song about all the things you could be doing rather than looking at your phone all all the things you shouldn't be doing and That when my my oldest daughter molly comes in and does the the response vocals I think she's pretty good at she. I think she sorta steals the show on that song little bit. And then you call me booze and other new one that one Really wasn't spared by All my grandkids although maybe most by nobody grandpa now. They they You know because my name is bruce when they were you know very young sorta grandpa bruce a nanosecond and one of them went from bruce tabu and it stuck so then which i like. I i am grandpa. just doesn't mean. It's not one of those names that i i wanted to stick with me because i'm with you know a tribute to the grandkids. A and again. I think that's a sweet song. That nick helped put some you know little sweeter malady to it and that's that's almost the closest thing we have going into a ballot and mostly sounds a little bit more upbeat. But it's it's sort of a sweet sweet song. I think kids will because it's you know simple melody but to me personally. It has automating peanut butter. Jelly did not right That's an interesting story. I had heard that song could have been twenty years ago. It was there was an acapella group called. I believe it was inside out. Acapella that sang that and i thought it was one of the best acapella songs i'd ever heard and then again not every acapella but i i think i can think it can be really good if it's done well and i always liked that song and always was sticking with me So i decided that. I i i had to figure out who wrote it because on the inside out. Acapella doesn't say so. I literally did research to figure out who it was. And i finally tracked down the the main writer who's going to run errands. Who is From utah in from. Byu wrote it when he was in college at byu. It may be your twenty some years ago. And he has a virgin. Which i i think he would suggest that. It's not his favorite version that that he sings. It's it's on spotify. Which i did not know about so actually mine and i said we're thinking about doing it and i'm not that i needed his permission but i wanted to get his blessing on it. He was fine with it and it is a really fun. I mean it's it's it's it's a kid song kind of although you know it has Your theme is a little deeper than that about you know. I'm peanut butter jelly right. And we're so happy on our little slice of bread and it's it's a really fun song And i would. I dare you to put it in front of your four five six seven eight year old kid and just not watch them dance and they will. They'll become their favorite song. I think that much confidence in that song. I think it's a great song and Patting ourselves on the back. What we to it is the tackler and run air. Actually call me when i heard it. And he said you guys nailed it He said you guys finally did a version of that song that It really sort of respects the song and looks up to what he wanted to be. How would he be now. He's probably in his forties really. That's okay yeah he's on. Maybe i'm guessing us forties Very nice man who happens to be a lawyer in new jersey about things now. Wow i actually invited him to come to the studio and add vocals The vocals on that are mostly. I guess i do the lead by nephew ted. He does some harmony vocals. I think nick. Add some harmony vocals to that. And maybe brian also. I'm so it's really it's a. It's a great song for anyone who's listening to this. I highly recommend you take a listen to that and we actually put together a little music video of that song which features of my grandkids which is also very fussy. Can find that on youtube if you If you search bullets and the missing years peanut butter and jelly find it. That was that was a fun song. You probably just put it put putting ribs peanut butter. You'll probably find. I'm looking for it. I seen i'm seeing the other ones. Come up View all the pictures got quite a few of them here Mommy boo the picture of my of my five year old granddaughter. Jane in a pink dress. I think that's the that's the picture that you'd find. Well let me put peanut butter in this i got. I'm getting a lot of music videos for you. I didn't know you were doing so many music videos. Peanut butter and jelly music video one. Yes it's the one probably find it. Yeah you wanna wanna play it. Sure all right. I might get a copyright strike on his. Who cares alone sega. Someone i'm gonna go Chrome tare mic should volumes on u2 and play and see what happens here. You hear this birth. Yes okay who eight. So i your other. Sean march warning gala. I stand me for chung general. Hey so losing on shit yeah. That's what that's what i was talking about. The sound like jerry garcia he. Yeah maybe because the production and submit. Jerry garcia's maybe from the american beauty album. Something yeah i yeah see some of those risks they definitely have Jarash sound to male. I think that's a really fun song. And it's it's obviously maybe more for kids. Although i happen to love the song myself but i you know it's that i think when kids here They were like it all shot on phone. I guess too right. Yeah pretty much. Think that's right. I think The the phone is again and get back to your question. A little baby monster was also a new song and that one was inspired by my by baby. Jack who's baby jack studios named after that was my My my little grandson. Who's now to change When about your ago when he was one and change he was just running around like a little monster. I said boy. You are a little baby. Monster started playing riff on guitar. And uh next thing you know. I came up with a song that again. I think it's a pretty fun song. And in part that was you know. This may sound silly. But that's what. I was a little bit inspired by the beatles. Ogla o. blah da I got that in terms in terms of the sort of the the structure of the saw. It has it has two bridges in it. It has a repeating the chorus several times early and then in the middle in another. You're like four times the chorus comes through. So that's kind of what that you know how that song was structured in. That's happened to be one of my favorite beatles songs that you know you get a flavor for some of the pop current music that i tend to like you just seem to get along like old friends That songs is another one. That goes back about five. Maybe more than five years That's on you'll say that the writing credits is not just me. But it's my oldest daughter. Molly and her husband ben and that's because many of the lyrics in that song from their wedding there were their wedding vows. While i disliked the wedding bows and you know some of them were funny. And some are serious. And i think it was banned who said tamale Is part of his vows your life and you just seem to get along like old friends which i thought was a remarkable remarkably insightful comment and i really liked it so i decided to build a song around you. Know that using their some of their vows and took some some liberties with them. I added some lyrics But i i thought that that was a was a song it was meaningful again to me. I revisited the song. Because when when i had done it a few years ago it just wasn't very good and Actually that's one where you hear a beautiful voice singing and that's nick. Nick is nick if he would do the lead vocal and my middle daughter. Emily does the the duet vocal. It's it's it's two people singing to one another Nick's voice which is much better for than than buying plus. I just thought it was odd. If i was going to be singing a you know a about you know sort of a love song to one of ours so comfortable yeah anyways. I hadn't graciously agreed to sing lead vocals on that. And he's really good he just. That's a beautiful voice. I think that song came out. Really well We touched on. That's the way the world around john price yet but we didn't touch on why. Why did you pick that song. I'll tell you why. I did because when we started. You know i was sort of thinking about this record and i decided it was going to be a kid friendly but again. Not for kids only record but kid-friendly played that's the way the world goes around. You know a thousand times. Mike guitar and i play it to my kids and i sing it and they always say again again again. They love that song and it just it is a child like melody which we touched on this where we talked about the john prime book. is a childlike melody that The underlying topic of that song is domestic abuse. He talks about you know Beats his old lady with a rubber hose. I came those lyrics. I said he greets his old lady with a rubber rose. I made it a little more kid friendly. I mean it's still. I guess as an undertone of domestic abuse. Because it's the song is really about bad things happen in the next enough. He's taking you out to dinner and buying new clothes But i it's such a. It really is a kid. Friendly song. As i mentioned in the john book as we talked about a little bit i think most people hear that song john prime song love that song and most people have no idea what it's about they're thinking i didn't for probably the first couple of years that i just let it wash over me melody. It's just a happy melody and then When you actually sit down and listen to the words and oh by the way. That's one reason. John is so amazing he he does things that you don't even know what you're hearing until you really sit down and you know read them and analyze them so anyway. I did that song. Because i thought it was just such a kid friendly song. It's one of my favorite john. Prime songs So that's why we did it. And i think we did at justice. I i think that jon prime would've would approved of the way we did it. It's not doesn't stray far from what he did. But it's it's unique until bit different and I think you'd like it. And then the the ninth track is. It wasn't so long ago which is another old one. That was one of the that was really among the very first songs that ever road in are probably going back to two thousand fifteen or so And that was you know people say right what you know and you know what i knew that You know all my kids grew up in the you know. They graduated from high school. They went to college and moved out. And you know started doing their own thing So that's songs really about. It wasn't so long ago there were three girls here. Three beautiful girls now. They're gone so it's sort of a you know a little bit of a belt and calling song. I mean although was a good thing if your kids take off the garden to the world but yet you know there's a it was a little sad for me when they were all leaving. Of course that's was about. And i guess it was the first one that wrote Is a fairly simple four chord song than using the The old standard gdp minor to To see to d- progression and You know. I think it's a sweet song. And what what we. What made this better. The reason that i decided to record it now is i got all three girls in the studio to record it and they they carry much. Your i do much vocal. But they They do some backing vocal. They take the lead on the second time the chorus comes around so and i think they do a really nice job very cool. Yeah i mean you know. The three of them singing together is great and my oldest daughter. Molly does a little harmony. She separated good at that. So i i. It's it's a pretty sweet song and one song time listening to john. Pine is is to john release as a single sort of companion song to the book. It's the book song book saying you know it's it's it's one omarosa john prien Happened to know another guy named matt. Napa who Just wrote another much to john bryan. It's one day. I did a video of it that same night that you wrote back to me and i put it out. I got some really nice feedback in nice feedback from people on twitter. But again i you know. I was just kind of including a lot of lines from john pint songs to. Yeah is it on. Is your video on youtube. Yeah i'll have to find it. 'cause i i heard the song but i didn't see the video but i thought it was really sweet and really good thank you. Yeah and mine is a little bit like that mind. Touches on view of his song titles And you know it but as you say it's one song. Time is the companion to the book while you were the reason. I wrote that song. Because i was. I was looking over my schedule for the next week and starting to make plans on on stream yard and set up the thing i saw you and i thought oh. Yeah that's that's right. John guys coming back. And i said you know maybe i should rise time enough. Time has passed. It should write. Write something for. John pine a monitor that you thought about me and did thank. You called me the john bryan guy this guy and then we did another cover. The third cover was ray-ban. Why that one. That's buddy holly is one of my favorite guys. I love buddy holly I want to say when. I was a kid because i was a little. It died when i was just about five. So i didn't know him. Then as i got older and got into high school i are listening to buddy holly and i thought he was remarkably great. I think buddy holly has just terrific And he's got several songs among my favorites of all time. One is called dearest which is really a good sweet of love song but then he's got rave on which again he didn't write but held right at norman. Petty and sunny west and built team routed. Norman didn't have anything to do with the writing of it. he just got he he He probably came in. The studio and norman was notorious for Just reworking copyright stuff and putting his name on stuff in stealing people's work. I mean that's Everything norman didn't write any music at all until just cross out i. I just kind of a sore spot with because he did rob from a lot of really good people. And that's why. Linda ronstadt did so many covers of those songs because he owned her. In the beginning you'll normally petty studios in clovis new mexico and poor. Pick your spouse which. I bought my first electric guitar. Which white below the studio. But i i know that. He made money enforced. Linda ronstadt singer bunch of covers of songs that he had he would get royalties. Non-serb well he's saying he's saying. When will i be loved that which is probably right I always liked raven no matter who wrote it me to find one song so i don't know if the world needed another copy of raven i i can't you know this is the one i can't i don't know if it did guilty. Pleasure but yeah. That's exactly i just wanted to do it. I wanted to have it out there I think we did a nice job. Get mad another chance to play some fun. Lead guitar So i i thought it was pretty good and And granddaughter. Jane does the introduction seashells ray-ban a couple of times particularly like So i why we did that. I just i don't want to say it was a throw just an ad on it wasn't that i really thought about it for a while and decided to record it. I'm it also gave me a chance. I think i played some. You know a few of these songs. I play the electric guitar rather than acoustic. And i think on that one. I played some electric rhythm. So i'd like that in the twelfth track is I guess what you call the the novelty song james i love mermaids which i think is really good and i'm going to do a little music video of that one as well Eventually i'll a release that. But jane she just does a good job and she was interested in in In music cheat she was pretty good. I mean she has a. It's a it's a. it's a pretty good song. She literally wrote it recorded. Which four and a half years old so i gave her a lot of credit for that. Well it sounds to me like you're very happy and proud of the work and to me. I always tell people like because i've done. Can you mentioned earlier that you did a couple. That were no good. I've done many there. Were no good. That i wasn't proud of so i i always tell people if you're proud of it and happy with the the process happy with the way turned out your successor rating with whether anybody plays it or ever or not. You're already a success because you did something that you want do. It was a pleasurable process. You completed the task. Happy with the work he did. That's all we can ask for. That is true. And i got my kids to be on it with me which is a nice just a nice legacy and memory and i got to funnel money towards a matt and And nick and brian and get them keep them able to do what they do in the music business so. I was happy to do that. It's not like you can. It's not easy to make money in the music business these days. you know. it's almost impossible it really is. It's so difficult i am. I appreciate that you know. I think young artists like that. They need support from anywhere anywhere. They can get it because it is really and if we don't continue to support the arts they just go away. I mean it's. It's hard to impress that on people is that you know because we see so. Many people in the arts would just mega millionaires and soon like they're turning out garbage but it's the young people that are creating real art if we don't support them in some way you're going to get. Is this cookie cutter radio crap that we listen to now which is nothing redeeming any of that for anyone here. Not if you'll give me the chance. I'm gonna i'm gonna make a pitch for francis. Luke accord again. These are the the two guys who helped nick gun. T particularly who's down over here partner bryant hours who was over here and there they're group is called francis newport and they have a patriotic account as i believe you do as well so to the extent that you can support nick and And brian and francis looked at cora they're literally asking for nine dollars a month I certainly do it and I i just think it's important. Well we'll find him. Put it put in description. You can get asked him if they like to be on the program. We'll we'll definitely help them get a little more exposure if they would like to come on absolutely they were. They'd be great guests there. There you know thirty year. Thirty one year old Notre dame grabs who've done very well for them. I mean they're not and they're struggling in terms of getting money to get their music but their music is Upstanding they've done really good music for them. I love to see that good for them and good for you for for actually You know putting into support for them as well as as doing your own project. Very much i appreciate. It was fun to do. And i very much appreciate being on your show. It's nothing more fun than spending an hour with matt napa. It's great. I appreciate that so you're not you completely retired from the law business. Now right i am a i i. I don't miss it. I you know i did it for a long time. I had a pretty good career but i just put in fire. I gotta tell you you're doing the things you want to do with the life you did. The responsible thing you did the grownup thing for for a long time. And now you get to be irresponsible gases and have fun with your life and so good for you. I mean what a great way to to to be at this age. I mean to to be able to do what you wanna do. And pursue the things that you want to pursue happy for you to. It's really good to see that. I appreciate it. It's it's It's you know we're all aging and some of us at a certain age Gotta try to figure out things to do. That are interesting and keep the young and keep you engaged in the music certainly has been that and more i. I agree in great blessed to end the program on. Now i gotta ask you know you're out montauk you do the whole summer out there no Go back and forth. we are You know in the philadelphia area but we eb long family history out here in montauk so we We have a pretty nice house that we come out in the actually this next couple of weeks the whole families coming out while you bands will be here and in fact Nick gun tea and matt lines were out here a couple of weeks ago and so we played some songs and sny pretty many people out here we can. It's a beautiful part of the world. Is you know it is hasn't been the greatest summer. I mean the weather weather wise. And i feel bad for for a lotta what it's been at montauk. Might as well be a whole of the country weatherwise from where i am but the venues on long island that were closed down for eighteen months music venues in entertainment news and then get rained out constantly. It's breaking my heart to see that stuff now as you know. I don't know what's going on there but you know that the air quality is not very good that fires from the west or coming here and we're getting that area while units humid. I haven't been best weather by but you know not much we can do about that other than people actually appreciating what climate change isn't doing something about that discussion. I appreciate you coming here tonight. And i wish you continued success and you know. A door's always open. Ap do something else who you wanna talk about. Whether it's write another book more music or anything. creative you wanna about all you want to get your your young friends on the show. I appreciate the french. Look according to. I think that'd be a good show. People would appreciate them. Gay and i will put. I'll find paycheck on page and put the lincoln description as well so people can make it easy for people find busa way to go man. I am i'm patty. I'm happy for you. All that stuff. 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Vamily show with Jeremy Parsons

Vamily Show

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Vamily show with Jeremy Parsons

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So you can download the free anchor APP or go to anger DOT FM to start. While my friend Bob Bob ventures on wheels. My man he met with anchor shock come over here. Made me podcast. Thought you know I need no by checkout Bob Channel. And so I wanted to combine here and kick out channel in. Thank you Bob for hooking me up with anchor I would've never imagine how easy it is to be a podcast. On the platform. That's the only reason we did have a podcast already I was afraid of how hard it would be I decided got ut figure it out and I thought there's no way I'd ever figure out a podcast but this one would come by and thank you we she left on your new podcast. You're awesome guy you do awesome interview I. Know You're GonNa Rock, the podcast line. So thanks again a man so you Okay. Welcome to family show season two, episode three and today I've got Country Music Star Jeremy Parsons but. after going over your stuff, I was really impressed that. Some of the conversation you had with people about Just getting out there and doing it. And the one sign you have making up as you go. Now one after after hearing you talk to people and then hearing that song it put it in a little different context which which was which was cool. Yes. It's pretty much the the the line that I follow through my life. Say you know sometimes it'll curve lesson I guess I'm going left you. It it's a it's I. Don't know. It's it's the mindset. I think. I. Get it from my dad. He's very like chill person in like it is what it is. I'm a bit more intense I think a lot of people who are creators are are are a bit more intense in a way because they're just more passionate people in general but Yeah I've always like looking at like you know you we have. some of my least favorite people I've encountered in my life for people to think that they can control almost anything. my best friends are are those people who usually just realize like man? We're all kind of flying around in the wind you know. Yeah. About lying in there too we when you said, you don't know what you don't eat it. No, it's. Maybe think 'cause. That's one of the things I've heard people say if you WanNa if you WanNa make God till that, you have a plan. Yes Exactly I mean that's the point it's like. The first thing I think growth or like any like moving forward in life it comes with first admitting that you know that that you have to surrender that control in a way elect still obviously like take control of things that happen your life but Yeah I it we we don't know what we don't know like why waste time on that you're gonNA figure it out as you go anyway you know or you're I mean I guess it's a fit or here not. One way or the other. Yeah. Yeah for sure. And I want to know because I think I read. Right. You had some here songs in films. Have you ever also wanted to be in the film Jerry Reed and Kristofferson. In the truck driver movies have you ever thought about being in a movie and having your songs in it man it would be awesome I note like Ryan Bingham in a in a few other like Texas? Country Americana guys had I. Think he was in Yellowstone There's been a lot of guys who've crossed over it. I Man I don't I don't consider myself a good actor. It's always been like my least favorite part of every music video specifically when I have to be dramatic. Like I'm not good at that. If you need if you need to comedy guy to be ridiculous for a couple of seconds sight I'm your man. So if the row is right, I, I would totally do it like. One of the most impressive movies I think for me as far as like country started actor in just kind of like. Really went shell after that was George Strait in pure country. Like it's not you know it's not gone with the wind. It's not like this classic tale but like he he stayed with it, he didn't cross over his boundary like he didn't try to do more than he could like do some like try to do some really dramatic ridiculous scene where you have to fake cry or something. Like Man Stop It. Is like when channing tatum was trying to be a serious actor of you're killing me man you're should you? Just, be funny dude. Yeah Yeah it's. I it must be hard for them to. Kind of be like if you were forced to play the same type of music for the rest of your life to get typecast not to that's probably probably. Like, they don't even care if it goes bad just because they want to do something different. Oh, absolutely like it. Some people actually start bad and then find they're calling like almost midway through it That's actually have keep bringing him up, but that's actually how I feel about channing tatum is like man I didn't like you like this serious like chick flick guy. But like as soon as he did twenty one jump street, I was like I get it now I totally you're funny dude in you just because you're good looking, they tried to make you like this dramatic Guy but that's like me it's like I don't I don't have a Selene Dion esque voice I don't go out and seeing Celine Dion. Songs. Like I'm I'm country dude I stay country? So that's just like usually what it is like. You gotta you gotTa find. You kinda find your zone in stay in it. Yeah, I used to. When I would go out and Sing Karaoke hosted it for a little while to when I I was gone out. The songs I love to sing and I had a learn well, no, your voice can sing songs but you have to learn what songs you can sing. It's Kinda. Kinda like that where. There might be. Like I'm sure I'm sure I was reading. Your bio there and I I was GonNa ask you too about how feel to. Like be listening to George Jones Music and then one day or opening for him because I know when I play guitar when I was younger, you have those dreams of like playing with you know huge band or whatever. So how that bill? I that? Person there. Yeah it was. It's weird 'cause it never like it never was a I. I. DO I do this because I love it and that's what's so funny like I see. So many people it's not funny. There's probably not a good word word but It's interesting to me. Let's use interesting. It's very broad The it that like. I never thought I'd get there like I never thought. I'd see the day never occurred to me like it never I never even thought to think of it like I just like it just happened in I was like you know kind of walked out on stage in it's it's only it's like the nicest stage I've ever played in the sense that like every time you look up, there was a different part of the crowd in front of us is circular rotator today's Oh. It's nuts like I'm so used to doing my thing and being in the same spa but like. I. Was like Good God. It's like you can get seasick appear if this one a little bit faster But if you like look down to play Solo, you looked up you're in front of a whole new audience it was it was it was cool in so many ways in that in that I was. Man I I don't even know if I was twenty one yet when I did that I'm a similar twenty, twenty, one But it was. It was probably the moment where I was like man I could I could do this to lie die I mean other the first time I got up there. At a riders nine numbers like. What is this feeling man like you? You can't you can't get that with any type of drug I don't care what anyone says it's just Serotonin adrenaline like dancing together, and then like everyone else is feel in the same thing too. But like on that level in George Jones crowd it's like. It was intense like I don't really get nervous I get excited I think everyone. It can get kind of like waters can get kind of muddy as far as finding that goes but like with it just feels like straight excitement we all like if you WanNa do a good job you're going to be nervous anyway and you know it's if you don't want to do a good job than you y you even doing that job in the first place but. But like it's just the excitement it was like is like I have to try to. Get a crowd. That's in love with George Jones to like to pay attention to me for forty minutes in and I think that's how a lot of people look at it. But when I went up there I was like They're here to see George Jones is GonNa do my thing and see what happens like similars. Those people still follow me to this day I got. I. Got Gigs from that Gig it was it's been A. It was just cool I mean he and Nancy. were. So Nice in it. It was just cool to get to have a story with him Especially now you like you never know when people are GonNa go and he's gone now. In a lot of people like I got to play with Jim Ed Brown in a lot of those old opera guys back in the day to before they pass in it's it's just It's cool. It's fun to it's it's crazy because I still feel like I'm at the at the front of my career but like looking back talking about this, it's it's weirdly style gic as like you don't really think about how much you've done I guess that's good though like that means that I just WanNa keep doing more like just keep doing it. Yet getting excited were liberty. Yeah, Exactly Yep oh and. Good, to hear your band trails that you got got your Hoodie and rally create a child travel say they used Love George Jones the apostle. Did. What they call so that's the best part about that is that he likes. This says a lot about artists if they if they like I think that you can't take your art too seriously. And that was proof that he didn't because they were literally that he got that nickname 'cause they're making fun of the way that he looked with his crew cut back in the day. They said, he looked like a awesome. Awesome Dude I wonder how much she actually hated that but realized that like. How important a nickname that sticks if people can identify you a different way like that's a big deal when the world knows, you buy your actual name in all also know you is your like monitor Kurt like that that's that's so cool. Like beside which is kind of for people to say that when it's like open up your photo album I, bet you there's a picture of the heritage you don't like it there. And he just he decided to go with it and say I don't care what got. Oh absolutely may well I mean he's from Texas like it was. Nice to have a crew cut in the summertime you know th, they're easy breezy like win going down the sides. The picture for sure man. You've been doing this for. Over ten ten years now PLA- playing music. I'm kind of wondering. Because I've written a couple of song before and I always find it crazy like the ones. That are the most catchy at least in my ear and other people's ears that ridden are ones that I've written like they just come to me like all of it come pretty much at the same time if he found the same thing with the neither one g written. Yet and I think it's it when I was. When I first started doing it. It was about like it was kind of a numbers game I. It's. And I think as I progressed it became more about the song. But like the there was, there was times where it was like the whole song was just there I just had to get it on paper in time it before it disappeared because it's just like you know it's almost like, Oh, I got a song idea squirrel. is in I think a lot of people are like that. It's it's it's it's why it's a it's almost one of those. You gotta keep like a dry race board by shower or something or like you know see, you can reach out and. It'd be like scary to get your phone wet or something unless you got. But I'm also I I do it like this Oh yeah. Take No. down. So yeah, I that's back and forth between needing to like hold the Blanca a notepad and just 'cause I i. like that that's like it's fun. Sometimes it's a switch it up to it keeps your. Flow go if you feel like you've got a block to, I like to find different platforms. but but yet like says, sometimes, it comes out I think, hey, senior used to say like if you can't write a song, twenty minutes is not worth writing I like that I don't always agree with that love Hank senior I'm glad it was always just so easy for him. But the like I. I think it is certain point. It's gotten more important to me. To really right. What I feel I need to write in that moment an it's not it's not almost up to me it appoint it's up to the song if the song wants to be finished in time like I'll finish it like it. That's that's how I have to look at it. 'cause you get writers blocks or like the second verse might not feel as strong as the first and you really don't WanNa lose people then like that's when you're supposed to really have hooked him. to get him to that bridge, and if that second bursch needs to wait to be written so it can equal up to the rest of the to the front half of the song and so be it like it's worth it to do. It's almost like trying to create something and then like at the last minute being so so excited about creating it that you'd like kind of don't do a good job. What's the point of taking this on create something if you're not going to create something that's sustainable. YEA that's that's part of the sustainability birth. Sometimes. Absolutely. Learn to patience oh? Any and even then it's like you. Have this you know if if twenty people like it cool like but like you know not everyone's GonNa like it anyway. So it's it's Kinda like, is it good enough for you? That's so test like after I, write a song or put in headphones and go for a walk and if I wanNA, hear it if I. WanNa, keep hearing it. which is a big deal because no one really likes going back and listening to their voice again I think that's the hardest part is like getting over yourself like if someone catches me right now is going to be weird it was like, no, this is like a test session I have an excuse for this But. Yeah. If you if you. WanNa hear it again. Then that's a good sign it's like all right I think I did it like if I don't if I don't be like sometimes you go listening like I could use a different word there that could sound more intelligent or just flow better. but yeah, it's the whole process is great. N, it's so therapeutic like if you if you do 'cause you're like Oh man I feel like I got a blockage or something you know i. got something I need to get out. You know it's like a it's a it's a it's a musical like a a musical Heimlich maneuver. Or I told people that you know. If you if you share your stuff out there. It. Your nervous about people are gonNA say but afterwards. You feel like relief like there's not this. By all demons not there anymore and so. I'm I'm kind of wondering like. What songs? Have have had Beth relief for you that you've written. I think honestly my eye. So I have I have two albums that are out in Iowa third. It's going to come out January twenty, twenty one I think the release of the second record the entire second record was a was a a complete relief for me. Fan Base for me because the first record was was very strictly traditional. because that's what I was. I was very much rooted in that in you know didn't really everyone in told me I had the voice for it in. So I put myself in that box based on what other people had said about me but when I moved to, Nashville I was there for ten years. And in that time I. I felt like a growth in at one point I wanted to start a trying to push myself vocally in it leading to meet like getting to do some demos and stuff like that was really cool but. I was nervous about that second release because it was so different from the first I went from this traditional crowd and you know if you know anything about like any traditional market, like the fans are very. They want one specific thing and nothing different. I'm METALLICA FAN so l.. I like all their stuff though because I I like. I changed in my life everybody changes. I enjoy the fact that they change their stopovers. Yeah. Exactly. It's about growth in like if you're a fan of the artist, the band or whatever. Then it's like you're on that journey with them and they're not excluding you like they released projects to include you on their journey. So it but it but like you know what I'm saying and so it was very scary to shift from like it. Technically, I was still in the same genre I was still considered Americana when I was doing the traditional country stuff it all kind of leads together Folk Americana that whole thing and and so the transfer wasn't genre specific as far as a jump goes but to the listeners, ears. A few people that came forward in I had I kinda make record. It's it's you know the record is just like. My greatest hits of that time and it doesn't have to have all like one specific set sound like there's going to be a rock and song on there. There's GonNa be a folksy song. It's GONNA be a country. Song is going to be a singer songwriter. Song. It's it's it's I I I like the it's basically just a borrowed idea from a bunch of other artists more specifically Tom Petty. Like if you listen to Tom Petty Record, it would go from like. You know into the Great Wide Open, which has some like heavy licks to like some like don't fade on me or something some very like dark folk like. Guitar driven stuff and like he he just each song like had its own thing. It catered to the song and all the songs on the record, and that's what it was. It was a record. But I I like that in the that's how I think I'm GONNA create from here on out like it's We're always inspired by like what we're listening to and stuff. So it's I don't know it's it's Kinda I it's it's scary to branch out, but it doesn't feel worth it to like just keep yourself stuffed in that little box that everybody wants you to be in a row because it's if you're not doing what you know you WanNa do with the thing that you love doing like you're not really feeding your soul correctly like you're you've got part of the part of the strategy in formula down, but you're not going all the way with it. So but but but that release was scary for me and then a huge relief. To see how well received it was like my most spins today on any project in the first project was technically more successful but The second one is my favorite in this third that I'm about to release in January I'm currently putting out the singles Ford is. Hands Down the greatest thing that I've. Ever made got to be a part of making within a studio which I was listening to the masters the other day when I went for a walk and it was Like I almost cry like I'm so ready for everyone to hear it in a way that like it you know it's it's it's. To have self control but I wish I could just like put it out right now. But. January twenty twenty one, it'd be, it'd be it'd be cool. It'd be awesome and I got your spot I play links running for that and I do. and. I kinda want the. Like. I realized something 'cause. When I listen to your voice. Your voice meals like a mix of Willie Nelson Gordon Light a little brushing dad. like a mixture of all those wasted the other boat. That's. When I was listening to you talk. You you're when you're speaking voice is dead on for Kurt Cobaine. Like. Yeah, if you put his voice in your way side by side do. You should listen man like intonation everything is like really released with more. Oh Man. That's crazy. I've never heard that I gotta check that out yeah yeah. It was. It was something that I noticed And then. The good old days song. I was listening to that. Reminded me 'cause I kind like to know where the story of songs come from for that reminded me of being like at a family reunion and listen to everybody tell their stories and all that kind of stuff which I'm happy. I got opportunity to do because they're not around anymore to ask those stories. So I'm happy that I got to listen to him when I got older So what what kind of inspired that Song Yeah that's I really love that she said that because that's a that's that song was written that songs channeled with pure. Nostalgia That's. Been, it's funny. You say family reunion it's that song started. really cool moment like this is this is these are the moments you love talking about his song like where you got that where the lightning hits you I guess is a good way. we were in a hardware store. In a small town outside of Memphis, where my my parents are originally from my my family general's originally from called Somerville Tennessee and we walked in and we were looking for a part of for for a house. and. A, we were at the cash register and you know being a dude in his twenties on his phone or. Facebook or whatever distracts his these days I heard a guy behind the counter and he was nostalgically talking about picking cotton. Like it just like it was like the greatest thing that he'd ever done and. I was like. I just pocketed my phone grandma was like what's happening right now Are I've listened to my nephew complain about taking the trash out in this guy's being statistic about picking Cotton Lycra. At one time people were forced to do. So it, it really It got me like I. Listen to the Dude however long it took dad check out which was entirely too long as it always is but. He just was reliving. He was like man yeah. Me and my brother and my dad we'd go out there we'd start at like. Before the Sun came up and we'd finish as it was going down in the dude like never broke a smile and he was talking about like at that time in his life, he probably hated that. but like here we are. Thirty plus years later in this is like beaming talking about this just as like I'm sure like what with someone at your family reunion like telling an old war story your. Story of friends or having having met their Y for like it's it's cool like it's stopped me into something was like, Hey man. You gotTA. Pay Attention is I'm sure glad I did because I love that song. That's one of my favorite songs I've ever written it's fun to play. It's it's easy to play like I love the flow of it I love the message of it like. The fact that looking back. The verses are are very much about looking back in the style ges I said but the. The concept of the song is like. If. You don't have that moment yet vars like if you're listening to this and you don't have that moment like that means that you're going to find it still. So that's something to look forward to. Mike when I wrote that line man on looking forward to looking back on things. Like. When you have like a songwriter moment where you're like. Yeah. Our Winder ever. Yeah. You just gotTa like get up and be proud of yourself for a second I was like I'm not I'm not A. cocky. I'd say, I'm confident but I'm not cocky but I I have moments where I just have to be like. I deserve to like you know make myself a cup of coffee or something right I should reward myself for letting brain come up with that line 'cause I. Love that every time I sing and I get excited about that line and that's that's But it's true. Leg I I like. A twist in the words like that. But also saying something to me like if I heard someone else saying I would be like. Wow that's a great line like. Steel that. And you're you're you're tickled by it to your, your brain can come up with something like that like you know. I mean I I. Don't I don't I don't think I'm an idiot and I Think on the smartest person that ever lived. But so like you know I, think it's a good even as far as being person goes that leaves. that. Leaves Room for air like room for growth in also like. When you do now something like that, you should be able to say. Thank you. I like to thank the Academy of me. The academy. The academy like that. For sure. I I listened to decide. And for that for that, I, came across a song about a moment in time and how each decision that you make different moments in time can send your wife in different directions. Oh. Absolutely. Yes. it's almost like the whole the whole butterfly effect thing like every every footprint. which is cool. That song was that's another you pick it really good ones. It's interact. Tell you you probably right. Like a very similar way to have the songs came about I got off the phone call with a person who really made me mad. and. I don't like being mad because I spent a lot of my teenage years being mad and I don't WanNa. Do that So, when I get mad my is and you've heard me say a lot in this interview I go for walks or when I need to focus is to get away from like everything that could be a distraction in I put myself into a different element put on headphones In this situation I was in Montana. doing a show. And ours in the hotel room got off a phone call it was it was probably. Is as transitions go in live, this is probably one of the lowest points for me is as far as like I don't know what I'm going to new next Manager passed away might deal had expired my mom left my dad after forty years of marriage like it was it was it was one of those when it rains it pours moments in it's not like a new who cry for anything in happens to us all like it's happening to everybody right now everywhere. But it's it's part of life. It is part of life like we're presented with these things in. You know we make it through. We probably grow from if not we learned something it all. It's all happening for that reason I think. But I got a phone call. And I was like man I gotta get Outta this hotel room. Go for a walk in. We had this show later that night. It was just me and my guitar player in I just I found this old abandoned railway track like. A mile or so from the hotel and I just jumped on, it started walking. You could tell it had been used like some of the rails were shows like not worried about getting hit by train A. and. I I started walking and that's where the opening line of this I walked across ties with these old abandoned rails. The thing about the stories they could tell and I had the line but I left my phone in the hotel room to charge. So I, had no no pin like I couldn't ride on my skin and like I've just walk and on like just repeating the line over and over again in my head hoping I can remember. And added nowhere where I come up on. Pharmacy. Like it's in like some little like wooded shopping center that. would be in the middle of Montana somewhere in the small town like really. Fairly close to the hotel I run in there and I like have my wallet. Thank goodness I buy notepad and a pen, and just start writing that song on the on the. The abandoned rails, but it was it was exactly what I needed to say in that moment which is so good and it's like I think something that like. It's something I've said to people since I wrote the song. So it's cooled it like it was there for me but I can also translated to other people when they go through stuff in their life and I think that's what I've always liked about the people that I've listened to in. You know I'm I'm glad that I'm able to I'm glad that I have that as an outlet like it's just so nice. It's it's it's a real gift. Grab it is. Like When you when I worked. I hear people say I wish you could that they could do whatever it is that I'm doing it made you appreciate what you're doing a lot more. And and you like you're talking wanting their you that you you do it for the love doing. Which I, which I agree if you don't love doing it, then just get a regular job somewhere because you can hate that then not be your gag, your soul crushed when you don't have your your creative workout. Absolutely. Yeah. If you if you if you're gonNA hate doing it anyway, you might as well find a terrible job. And I am. Though the song one of a kind that one. When you when you're right now, it look like you were trying to right through the eyes of another person. Like Reagan lyrics from is another person yeah. I actually that was a it's almost like I usually try to leave songs. like fairly broad but that was I. wrote that the night that John Prime died. energy I was doing facebook live in. My phone started blowing up, which usually doesn't happen because my my friends don't usually bother me when I'm doing those because they know I'm busy but they were they were like, Hey, do give me a call when she get off your facebook live because I love John Prime He was such a big inspiration for May guys just like. He was like the George, Carlin of like fulcher Americana Music is such a weird like outside the box. Crazy. Thank you. Like he said some of the weirdest coolest stuff I've ever heard in music and I was just so floored by like always. It he never. He always delivered to like whether it was live or like whether he's put out a new record it was just always. is the just settled genius. How to put it? So fascinated in floored by it's like I wanted him to adopt me in all sorts of things. I was wrecked when that happened in that that literally, I could feel that it was almost like that song came straight from like my broken heart like death happens in its natural but he died from corona virus stuff which is. Is Very upsetting Knowing that this wouldn't happen like we could have had him for maybe five more years or something. But. Yeah. That that literally just came at me I wanted to tell. If, I if I had met him in person, what would I want to say to someone while not overwhelming them at the same time it's like he may be believed that my crazy was fine. He showed what it was to be one of a kind. In. So I kind of wrote that from my perspective but like what what I, what I thought that in in mean to overstep is a fan of course but like it's it's kind of what I thought that. Everyone that I talked to that also loved John. It seemed like the big connecting point I all of. That he just had that he was able to reach out and grab you lyrics. If you weren't paying attention, you're like, what did he say? Like what a wild man heck. Yeah. Let me let me hear some more. here and I think that's what we all loved about. Like it gave you this creative him munition where you like Oh Dang We are. We can say stuff like that. That's all right. Yeah. Yup I tell people like. A lot of the issues people have is that they feel. Alone with what they would do. So. You know. That's the same type of thing there. Okay. I can do that because somebody else is doing that type of thing I don't have to be afraid to do. Yeah and and that's the in, and that's the hardest part of getting and you're not. You're not selfish or anything for thanking your loan in something 'cause like it happens. It's something. Might we are supremely him in were soft and mushy and we break so easily and so many ways like you're you're were we all have things that we have to work through it doesn't make you weak like. You prove that you're strong yourself by working through those things, but it's they're all hurdles you have to get over. It's a process is like just like anything is a process finding a job writing a song learning to ride a bike like Working working through stuff mentally in like. That like that it's cool like to go back to the outlet thing and like the whole songwriting process is like that is an outlet for people I highly recommend it like it's writing or drawing or acting or like dancing or doing yoga fitness like there's there's so many outlets out there. Like the all create like. A specific chemical concoction within you? That helps you cope In, and I say that just having music the proof on my end. And Quebec Hall said his songs are on spotify confined absolutely everywhere. You can illegally download music. I've I've said that joke for ten years now and I just can't stop. It's too. It's too. It's it's one of my best bad jokes. And back. Sorry sorry for for your loss as well. Oh. Thank you. I appreciate. Yet and I Kinda WanNa know when you're. So you're talking about going through the process and stuff and we're talking about A. Therapeutic. To me seem like the song tragedy about the end of a relationship. It what's funny about that is a tragedy. when I when I wrote it, it was actually supposed to be like a prequel to the first single off the the things I need to say record which burn this Hasta. I was I was revisited. Someone someone wanted to listen to that song, and for some reason, wanted to do it in front of me. I'm like, it's flattering but like I don't really want to watch you learn. A weird kind of a weird fetish that it's not mine But As I was listening to it. I was like Oh this is kind of it would be and we had just been discussing I'm forgetting what the story line pieces as far as like structured album goes in as like you'd be cool to Kinda like revisit. This is a prequel with tragedy kind of started is that as like the tragedy and and everything that up to the inevitable end of the relationship, which was which then resulted in the metaphor of needing to burn the house down and move on starting from Ash But I think it as soon as I got done tragedy, I was like man, this is kind of just a statement in itself like the course is you know is is this the way it is? Is this the way it ends and there's no happy ending to that song like that. Song. Is Open ended In the sense like it leaves you with that question of like is this the way it is, is this the way it ends like we have complete control over that but tragedy does happen is a naturally occurring thing that's why the word exists. Someone needed to define it because it happened so often. that it but but it is like That's what I liked about that song is said, it's it's dark and it's realistic, but it also leaves an option like is this the way it is is this the way the ends? Is it a tragedy like it's almost not stating? Like Oh, it's so what a tragedy is like you know something that could be at the beginning of like Shakespeare deal and then lead into something else that doesn't isn't actually tragedy. But it Kinda plays into whole I. Guess Making things up as I go deal. It's it's real in the sense. But like you know this is a this is a fact. This is something that occurs it's like but even with the tragedy, it's not it's not. What is happened I think in any situation, it's always like how we deal with it to. To. Yeah. Absolutely. that song is just like. It's it's I was so impressed with. What it was when it was finished, I think I didn't expect it almost felt like I I hadn't finished it when it was done in I realized that I just created. Like a definitive tragedy piece almost like if I made a video for this, it would just be like you know the red curtain opening up and people acting out the scenes in that would be like that is a tragedy you know. Your. When you? Go out there to play because I only played. I mean doing Karaoke one thing but I like playing for people a couple of times. and. It's it's weird like. When you capture like a lot of people's attention on On When you're singing a song like when you have the cow that tension like not when some people are listening talking later but when you have so everybody attention, there's like a weird energy and I don't know how to describe it but I'm sure I'm sure you feel the same thing when you're up there just this weird. Energy between the crowd and you have their thing. Yeah. I think it's it's almost a it's always described as and I think this really does do justice is like my my dad the first time he came to see me he he was first one ever pointed out to me and it's like it's always the point you know like you know in the show in like they've given you the rain so like all right, we trust you now like guide this performance And It's it's a dad always play. He was like man it was so quiet. You could hear a pin drop. Their you know it's like one thing that's how you know when like 'cause you'll see artists get up on stage in the crowds like still kinda talk and you can hear people in the background but you know you got him win like you're inbetween notes like you'll be playing guitar in between an upstream and there's an silence of like just something ringing out and there's nothing else beyond like economics find the back of the room because it's not being disrupted by other words or like things popping up in blocking it like you literally almost like comes out guitar hits the back wall. You nuts like one of those things it is cool. It is an energy though it's it's a rush to. Feeling like you realize that like you've done something and you got to do that. And that's I. Think a Lotta people can kinda like fall off the UNICYCLE is they feel too much pressure but like there's really no pressure, all you have to continue doing what you did in the first place. which is always the easiest part is especially if you don't know how you got there they. Continue to not know how you got there and keep doing what you're doing. Yeah Yeah exactly and At that point it's not about you. It's about the crowd like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. The same thing that thing thing that happens on on Youtube when you find something that works. With a lot of stuff. and. More they got you on spot up by and they're gonNA listen later. So Heck Yeah. Thank you so much. I hope you like it. and. You're saying you're saying you light to. When you're when you're authentic with what you do your fan connect with you. and. they they the like friends and family after a while and not just a fan of your music. And so So I mean how how he'd been doing this a long. Now how is that how you noticed that over your career people that are inauthentic? Do. And what has happened because you can only play somebody so long you know when you when you're talking about authenticity yet yeah I think I think with with that. It's like the character you just see the character change and I mean that in so many ways like from the appearance to like. The way that they carried themselves to the way that they talk in it's it's kind of like. As a person who dislike is who he is, which unlike there's a lot of people who don't know who they are you know. That's I think a A. If not all UNA. Georgie of the you know figuring out your life path is literally figuring