10 Episode results for "John Philip Sousa"

Frederic Chopin 4: Famous Pianist-Composers

Classics for Kids

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Frederic Chopin 4: Famous Pianist-Composers

"Hello. I'm Naomi Lewin. Welcome to classics for kids. Since we can't hear Frederic Chopin play. We think mostly as a composer. But from the time Chopin was a child audiences love to hear him play the piano, a lot of composers, I became famous at the keyboard. Johann Sebastian box. First job was a church organist. And that's how many people in his day thought of him an organist and choir director, who did what was expected of him writing music for church services. For awhile box spent time conducting a court orchestra and playing harpsichord for prince plenty of composers played keyboard for royalty like Francois coop around. Coop around Rhode for the harpsichord, an ancestor of the piano, a harpsichord was the instrument that both days Mozart started out playing as a child when he performed for royalty. But by the end of his life Mozart was playing the piano. Mozart could play just about anyone under the keyboard long before people knew what a genius Ludwik fund Beethoven was as a composer. They were thrilled with how he played the piano. It's interesting that today pianist mostly perform using by other people audiences used to expect pianists to play the latest Buzek. They had written fronts list was an amazing showman at the piano. He loved to dazzle people to compose music that showed off his play. Fronts list wrote music that reflected his native country, Hungary, other pianist composers put their roots into their music to like Spaniard Isaq of he made the piano imitate the guitar. Why we're on the subject of PNO's pretending to be other instruments. Louis Moreau Gottschalk the first American pianists to become famous in Europe used his instrument to imitate the banjo. There was a nineteenth century pianist composer who invented the short piece called the knock term Joan field was born in Ireland, but he spent most of his career in Russia. last of the great keenest composers was Circe Rachmaninoff off lived long enough into the twentieth century to make recordings some of them for con Edison. And some of them on paper rolls for player pianos. Some pianists didn't necessarily compose, but they did make arrangements of other people's music when blood Amir Horowitz played his version of the stars and stripes forever. No, most sanded like John Philip Sousa's in Kyler band was on stage. I'm Naomi Lewin. I write classics for kids and produce it with Tim Lander at W G UC Cincinnati. Please join me again for more classics for kids.

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Marching in true step: Sousa sounds through expert ears.

Naxos Classical Spotlight

30:00 min | 1 year ago

Marching in true step: Sousa sounds through expert ears.

"Hello and welcome to naxos classical spotlight. I'm Raymond Boucher. The music you just heard was from the Golden Star March by John Philip Sousa and in this podcast it's all about it's all things. Sousa as conducted by case Brian who has been undertaking for naxos for the past several decades to record all of his marches as they would have I've been performed by Souza's own band and as a special treat. I have an interview with Keith Brian so from here till the end of the podcast you'll hear mostly Keith with Brian Talking about Sousa's marches Souza's music and his own book about the music of John Philip Sousa. Uh Aw what was it that convinced you. I mean that Souza's music in in particular was not being played in the style. He actually used himself would certainly have been in the seventies. I I ran into this guy was gas. Yes conducting a college band in in Mississippi and an old drummer came up and talk to me and and started discarded telling me these stories about the way they used to do things and so he was a leftover from that era when he'd been trained that way and and so I went back to tale to the music library the recorded sound libraries quite extensive there and started listening to old recordings by Sousa's this is banned and at first I was very put off with the whole thing but gradually I began to adapt to it and then I started to read and found sources sources more more contemporary sources of how older players said they used to do things and so I it was just a gradual awareness that happen over a long period of years but it started at that point. I I can't remember the exact date I met this guy but but he really opened my eyes and in years so it it sounds like a lot of this performance practice would have been handed down from person to person as even more than just being written out or something and in the twenty s between nineteen twenty and nineteen twenty five a group of composers and conductors and musicians positions began to circulate it was during the modern era when things were beginning to streamline and architecture and it was a new kind of theatre theater going on all kinds of things happening and among them. Stravinsky was a leader in this in Copeland Toscanini UH skinny cause cells to some degree they were looking at these accumulated practices of the past and in that kind of movement the tha modernism that was going on all the arts and the twenties these guys tried to clean up these practices of the past because they didn't know where they came from and they they didn't seem to think that they were relevant. now why that was. I still don't know but but at any rate they they threw out the baby with the bathwater as the saying goes and they tried to develop a uniform series of interpretive principles these are all very lustrous his famous musicians but but they they kind of spearheaded the movement to to the modern era and modern interpretation which was a kind of a it ended up being a kind of liberalism that they espoused and that that's still true today so if it's his piano score you play piano and don't add anything because the composer didn't put it in the except that in those days composer didn't put those things and expect that the players to do so oh that's that's that's kind of a very rough introduction to the whole thing but it's it's a vast sea of of thought in principles Yeah uh-huh Wpro in Your Book Sousa's marches as he performed them. You discuss a number of areas and I think we can get into a bit more detail. perhaps starting for delay listener the parts of a Sousa March just so people understand how these things are put together the the great thing is they're not exactly early alike but but you can make generalizations about them I was all the always introduction was usually either four or eight measures and then the first strain the introductory strain of the march march usually had three distinct strains for possibly four counting the interlude so there's that general form and within that for me had tremendous variations so the book deals with that as best it can in in the the core course if a book and this is not about performance practice now this is about how a composer composed right that's about the structure of the pieces right exactly exactly then within all of that and then he he had his own performance practice for his own concerts where he changed the marches for his own performances and made them much more interesting with much more contour and and contrast than than we are accustomed to hearing up today and all of the march is that we've recorded for the next series. are all done with that. that kind of interpretation hello yeah yeah so in the book you write about articulation dynamics phrasing. I'm a one of a number of chapters but to look at articulations dynamics namic and freezing Howard these done differently ensues his own band well. Let's take praising generally. Sousa phrase had its idea ah more often at the inception than at the end we tend to think in the romantic sets of of something leading to something leading to something that very very often with Susan's writing it was more the idea that began and may be elaborated a little bit but there wasn't this ongoing sort of storm and drank toward toward a final conclusion. things happen when they happened and surprises came when they came but there wasn't this a sense of organic progression from one thing to another that that we tend to think of today or in in romantic interpretation so that's that's just one piece of it. They did play shorter in those days. in short notes for shorter river very clear and distinct they were not short notes short passages passages were not played as loudly as they are today they this short notes tended to be a little softer than the long notes and that's that's very different than today most of the time in interpretation the quick things or played loudly to show off how fast they are but in. SEUSS's case the longer notes where played louder and the shorter notes were played a little more lightly so that's actually a profound difference that would affect the way the whole march sounds exactly Eh You also talk about Blandon Color and wet John Phillips Sousa did with his own band. It was quite different in some ways I think from the published editions there's a famous story of his first rehearsal of his first band in somewhere in New York. He put it together other and and he went down through the clarinet section they had them played some little passage and they kept rehearsing them till they all sounded exactly alike and then he added other instruments to the passage of the cornets or whatever and and he worked with them until they all sounded exactly like the two days the way the man played together they stroll strove for a unified sound and not a sound where instruments the individual characteristics of instruments stuck out so much it was more organized. I think you could say so that that just one one characteristic of his performances in how he did things he also in terms. It's a balance like more bass than we do often do today in band busy. the basis were quite predominant. The middle voices is where a little softer and then the melody was strong so that's another difference in in the way he looked at things now. Did he make differences in the actual instruments. He was using the band. I mean how many of each the melody instruments like the first clarinets and the first first cornets were slightly fuller especially the clarinets he he used a a large body of first clarinets analogous to the large first violins in the Symphony Orchestra and I think that's where he got it. he also did a lot of doubling the bass parts so those those two things very strong melody and very strong base and then a much lighter mid range so that it is March as for instance after beats could be heard nuts. That's a general approach that he had to balance ooh ooh uh-huh they uh-huh so when you I listen to the recordings of his has banned those have been now very old recordings. What did you think of the what you are hearing the first time you I heard it. I thought it was pretty funny. I wasn't that impressed. You know it took a long time for my years to change and to realize the good and bad things about it. First thing that you have to realize though is that these were very small studio bands it could crawl in front of all a horn acoustic horn and play which meant that that it was only fifteen or sixteen players so it all those recordings always sound slightly goofy later on in the late nineteen twenties some other conductors came in and recorded Sousa's marches with a fuller ban when when electrical recordings came in the late twenties and those those sound pretty good but the original the original ones and not so much the other interesting thing is Susan didn't believe in recordings and the only conducted a handful. Oh six or eight and we do have recordings of those things to listen to and and that's been very helpful to me and and getting an idea of how he approached his scores and what he did uh-huh doc Uh Uh yeah so you've been living with Souza for a long time coming to the end of this huge project recording project for naxos right. I'm taking a deep breath. What made you decide to take on this project. My parents were not musical. The only recordings we have in that look back on it the only recordings we have in the House or my dad had a business of renting public address dress systems and so he would go along to go out to these rallies to rent them sound equipment and he needed music to play so he bought recordings of Sousa marches marches and from an early time from time. I was two or three years old. He would bring me along to put the needle on these recordings so they became my cradle music. It's it's amazing as I think back on it so that's I plead guilty to this I it goes way back practically to my cradle but but then in in one thousand nine hundred eighty six you started your own new Sousa band. It was for a television special so you've been thinking about this music a long long time time. Oh Yeah in the seventies I was band director yell and we're looking for ideas and interesting things to do and a biography. Griffey of Sousa had just come out and I sat there and read it and was transfixed really with the success of Sousa's band and how serious it was in a musical musical sense and and all of the things they had done which would take hours to tell you but at any rate I got this idea maybe we could take the abandoned convert them into Susan's ban and give a concert that way with actually dressing them up in uniform and it was kind of a little bit of a cheap shot as I look back on it. then my wife at the time said you know if you're GONNA do this. You should do it right and it was profound. It's fought then I began to really look into it and try to figure out what it took to do it right we did a concert in nineteen believes seventy sixty seventy seven with the band. It was a big hit. One of the guys at the university convinced me to take it to Carnegie Hall so we took this program to Carnegie got reviewed you by. The New York Times a rave review really in the New York Times to play this Sousa program at Carnegie Away Susie used to do it and and that eventually led to me due to doing this fulltime which I've been doing ever since I left in nineteen eighty left jail and have been added ever since how many albums now they complete series is twenty three CDs wow and we just finished two weeks ago volumes twenty two and twenty any three yeah I when you've been working with this music forever and ever and we've got a lot of lay musicians and perhaps some band directors listening to this podcast I what advice would you give them as a bring out the next Susan Susan March to perform well. I hope you'll read my book and listen to the recordings for sure the book the book actually talks about how it is done which contemporary contemporary band directors who are very able people don't really know a lot about this particular part of their repertoire so if they can do that they'll they'll have big rewards. Sousa publish just marches initially to be played outdoors by marching bands. He never published them in the form that he played them with his own band. So what we've recorded are the ways. Susan altered them for his own performances. and I've published a great number of them myself. also as published music so it's making that transition from the marching band parts which is how is published them in what the band directors mostly know about up to the concert versions susie used is what this is all about for me it's it's something very new in the band business You have been listening to music by John Philip Philip Sousa and an interview with Kentucky's Brian who conducted all of the music in this podcast in fact Mr Brian has just finished recording all all of Sousa's marches for naxos as they would have been performed by Souza's own band many things to Mr Bryan for taking the time to chat not only the recordings but about his book about Souza's music and marches if you're at all interested in the subject this book is required reading and if you're a band director boy boy. You really can't do without reading this book either way. I hope you've enjoyed the podcast and the interview. I'm Raymond Shea so long for now uh-huh.

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Charles Ives 2: Marching Through the Country Band March

Classics for Kids

05:58 min | 1 year ago

Charles Ives 2: Marching Through the Country Band March

"Hello welcome to classics for kids. I'm Naomi Lewin the country band March by Charles. Ives is probably not like any piece you've ever heard before unless you listen to a lot of music by Charles Ives James. Sinclair is an expert on Charles Ives. He's the conductor of the orchestra of New England the group you hear playing the country band March. Jim Sinclair says the pieces about amateur musicians people who. Make Music for the love of it who are trying hard to play their best. Maybe they're farmers and <hes> and salesman and things during the day and they practiced their instrument on the weekend. They're not really practiced to stop all the time so when they get together things can be a bit crazy and the country band march is all about something that goes wrong when they try to play it right and don't get it so right at the beginning of the piece. It sounds very he crazy like everybody's playing wrong notes or playing out of tune if it sounds like these guys can't walk and play Trumpet Never Mind Chew Gum at the same time you're right. It would be pretty hard to march to this conductor. Jim Sinclair says it doesn't take long before something. Else happens funny tunes. Come in like one of the players doesn't know their part so well so they start throwing in some other tune that they know well and all of this hodgepodge comes together in a great energetic picture of what it's like to be hearing a country band play you heard Yankee doodle and John Philip Sousa's March semper Fidelis London Bridge and my old Kentucky Home Omar in there too. Charles Ives put bits of twelve popular or folk tunes into his country band. March including civil war songs like the battle cry of freedom and marching through Georgia an English folk song called the British Grenadiers is in there too and ives uses another tune. That's very familiar. A famous painting of the Revolutionary War called the spirit of seventy six shows three soldiers to playing fife and drum and one carrying a flag when cartoons or movies bring that painting to life. You always hear good a do do do do do as the fife. If player limps along the name of that song is the girl I left behind me you just like in the famous picture Charles Lives gave that tune to the Piccolo a close relative of the fight life. James Sinclair says there was a reason why is borrowed all these tunes to put into his country band March win. You're writing about how something really happened sort of sound picture picture. You need to use the very music that was played by those people. The country band marches a piece about a band not for a band which is why you hear violins and a piano and other instruments that don't usually march and. With all the melodies Charles Ives borrowed for this piece. There's one right smack in the middle of the piece that he composed himself. All of a sudden everyone stops playing except for a couple of violins with a cute little dance tune sounds like they forgot to stop when everyone else did doesn't it that happens again at the very end of the peace this time to a saxophone player. That sort of thing probably happens sometimes in your band or orchestra too doesn't it Charles Ives had a great sense of humor so his country band March is a lot of fun. No one gets as many different tunes into such a short pieces Charles Ives did but next time on classics for kids. You'll hear other classical music that uses folksongs.

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Joe Posnanski on the Life and Afterlife of Harry Houdini

EconTalk

1:25:19 hr | 1 year ago

Joe Posnanski on the Life and Afterlife of Harry Houdini

"Welcome to ECON talk part of the Library of economic liberty. I'm your host Russ Roberts Stanford University's Steve Hoover Institution. Our website is ECON- Talk Dot Org or you can subscribe comment on this podcast and find links and other information related to today's conversation. I should also find archives. We listened to every episode. We've ever done going back to two thousand and six or email addresses mail at ECON. Talk Dot Org. We'd love to hear forget cricket. Today's number six twenty nineteen and my guess is journalist and author Joe Stansky. Joe Is probably my favorite Sports Puerto working today and maybe my favorite writer period. He is a senior writer for the athletic and he blogs Joe Bloggs his latest book and the topic for today's episode which is a little out of the ordinary contact. But I think you'll see how ties in his latest book is the life and afterlife of Harry. Houdini show talk. It's great thank you. This is very strange and delightful book. It's strange because it is not really a biography of Houdini. It looks like one the life. Aw but the turns out. We don't know much about them. That's reliable and I would describe it more as an amish to the idea of Houdini the impact of Houdini on the world even today. And let's start off with. Why did you decide to write a book about somebody who died? I think in nineteen twenty six. Yeah but it's still very much alive Why this style of book? Yeah well the why. Houdini is certainly the question. I get asked the most as a sports writer But it's Sir if it relates a little bit too sports into sort of what I've I've always viewed my my career what I've done. I think that as a sports writer and in other other ways I've always tried to write about wonder this idea of wonder these ideas these little explosions in our minds. That that you know open up the world world a little bit. And whether it's writing about baseball writing about Bruce springsteen or writing about moments with my daughters and I I've always felt like there was some connection there and I really wanted my next book to reflect that to to to sort of be a story of wander which is how I viewed this and and I was looking for a vehicle away to tell that story and I thought that actually came to mind was to write about Babe Ruth to do a biography of Babe Ruth. But it's been done a lot and and I new there wasn't well and done very well done very well and there was a major babe ruth book coming out by a friend of Mine Jane Levy and and so you know. That wasn't interesting to me by. I started thinking well. What about Harry? Houdini here's a guy who as you mentioned died in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. He was you know she was a new New York street Urchin basically who decided to go into magic failed. Essentially as a magician came up with this concept of escape deep in handcuffs and and straitjackets and water torture cells. which you know? They'll seem so of its time and yet here we are one hundred years later and he's still the paragon magic he's the he's the person that everybody knows. And I. I wanted to know why I really did. So part of my Thing that I really enjoyed about the book is is to realize how ubiquitous he is today. I'm going to read a a very vary a short passage from the book. We say you know. Why do we know anything of this? Why do we know any of this? We're closing one hundred years since his death and yet when a thief in Bangkok DOC slips out of his handcuffs and alludes a dozen police officers. What do they call them? Houdini a baby in moon during Australia. Continuously escapes a crib to to the dismay and panic of her parents and the newspapers dubbed her Houdini baby a dog keeps slipping out of the yard and creating Havoc Neighbors Guard in Melbourne Florida and is similarly called Houdini dog. This is unoriginal newspapers in San Diego des Moines Rome Amsterdam Northland and also call particularly troublesome pooches. Houdini and you mentioned I think either an article in the book that you have an alert. Google alert on Houdini. Whats that LEA- led to? It's it's incredible. I set up that alert probably a day two days into my process every single day since there's been some Houdini story and often twenty-five Houdini stories and it's about a politician who gets out of a crisis or a or a sports team that gets out of a tough loss and And and the picture that gets out of a bases-loaded jam it's he's everywhere in this very very small way to the point where I think he's you know he's become not just a word but he's become a theme like an idea of what the greatest possible escapes can be and yet he he was Gesta Esta. You know as as as I write in the book you know he was. He was just a a performer. WHO figured out a way to to to make a living and and it's So fascinating to me. So let's do a thumbnail sketch of what we do know about him which I just want to say after we agreed to do the interview. Even after I read the book I asked. I don't know ten people just for fun Young old born in America born outside of America. Who is the greatest magician of all time? eight or nine of the ten immediately without thinking just said Houdini right Someone born in Israel said David Copperfield revealed. I thought it was very impressive. I said well how about someone from the past. Oh Houdini 'cause the first thing Then I asked them How did he die and they most of them said did he drown in a doing one of his tricks that failed I say? How old was he? A lot of people said thirty. which would I guess? I always thought he died young. Tell US actually a brief thumbnail the arc of his life. Yeah deceptions challenges of trying to decipher the man given that he was very he's very elusive. He's incredibly elusive. And and basically there are no facts about that seem that seem real but the but we know the general animal ark of his life and and so fascinating that that you would say that about people because most people do think he died in the water torture cell which is how he died in the movie. That was that was that that was the movie version with Tony. Curtis Janet Leigh and that's how he died and so people think that's a fact but the the basics of his life or he would tell people he was born in Appleton Wisconsin on April six nine thousand nine hundred thousand eight hundred seventy four. That was it the opening line to the most sort of personal essay he ever wrote about himself off was I was born in Appleton Wisconsin United States on March April. Sixth eighteen seventy four and not one thing including including the date is true. Not One thing is true. He was not born an awful that he was born in Budapest and came over when he was four and he it was so convincing by the way that fifty years after his death a magic committee was put together by the International Magic Association. Put together this committee justified out where he was born. They called it the Houdini birth committee and they travelled around the world essentially to find out where Houdini was really born because he was so convincing it was born in. Budapest came to to Appleton when he was four and his father was the rabbi of the of the new synagogue. That wasn't even built yet. They were still meeting at houses and in local churches where they Where they let him in He was fired shortly after that and never really held another steady job. He was a he he tried to be rabbi in Milwaukee and New York and and couldn't make it so very very poor when he was twelve. He ran away from home job to try to Houdini. Houdini that his father Houdini ran away from home to try to make a living. And and and send money back home at fourteen moved to New York. Your went to work for a neck where factory and I came up with this notion of being a magician and I think a lot of people know he. He had read. Read the autobiography of the Father of Magic Roberto Don and so fell in love with it that he called himself Houdini by adding an eye to the end of and Who Don the you know the last name? He thought it was pronounced. Who did he and a friend became the HOUDINI brothers and for the next seven or eight years he he scuffled around? I'm trying to make a living as a magician. Tried to make it as a comedian as a as a singer as an actor anything to be on the stage and was having no no lock at all was ready to give magic was just about at the break. He he put out a a catalog where he offered. All of his secrets. for a price all of everyone my favorite breaking the code of of the magician. Exactly my favorite one of those was because he said specific tricks he would t t the needles trip for a dollar fifty would teach you how to escape from a box for ten dollars but my favorite line. They're the one that's sort of shows the depth of his despair was he offered. All I've ever learned about handcuffs chains and escape price on demand like he could. He didn't he didn't even know it was worth it is. It was just price on demand. Nobody wanted any of his secrets. Not One person responded and he was at the brink of giving up when the he ran into the luckiest break of his career ran into a guy named Martin. Back who is now is. Is there still the Martin Beck Theatre in New York at the time ran rammed the orpheum circuit of Vaudeville he. He liked what he saw a little bit with. Houdini called them to dinner Him Bassett dinner and he basically told him quit his wife. BESS is his wife. Yes back basically told Houdini and bass give up the magic. You're no good added this. I just WANNA I just WANNA interrupt your per sack. In the course of writing the book talked to some of the greatest living magicians if not all of them Both big recall big stage. Magicians like David Copperfield. And sleight of hand people like Joshua J. Yes and Anyone interested can go on the Internet and look up Joshua J. or ricky. Jay Who you talk about is brilliant. Yes hard people So so big and small. A lot of them are S- I would say tormented by Houdini. Yes because almost all of them were touched by him in some way and their career path. don't know much about him inevitably because of what we're talking about now and think he wasn't very good magician hard for them to cope with a let me. Let me put it this way. You mentioned Josh Joshua J.. Who is a you should look? Look them up on on youtube or his genius or you go to New York and see his amazing show six impossible things. He's he's extrordinary But I just didn't event with Josh Josh. And at which was wonderful and he's he's become a very good friend and we were talking about this very thing. Somebody was saying because it's a consensus that as a magician when you're talking about card magic or state magic or illusion or any of these things that Houdini was lacking but he was not very good second rate an all of these things. Yeah and Josh. Put it in a way that I've never heard. I asked him if he'd ever said that before he said No. I thought of it on the spot. He he said it would be like in a hundred years from now. Somebody said who was the greatest musician of two thousand nineteen and it was a wild consensus that it was Miley. Cyrus Sedgley the greatest guitarist singer the greatest everything. Because that's how people view Houdini so at this point go back back to the the the the bio he's struggling and scuffling gets this break and becomes a phenomenon as an escape art. Yes almost immediately and it was after miles of in a Martin back said that he said do the do the escape. That's what you're good at. He does that for a while and then he he has to take it up a notch. Watch yeah we're going to talk later about why he takes it up a notch and he starts appearing to at least put his life in danger escaping from sealed milk cans in the water torture cells jumping into rivers Hanging upside down. You know five stories above the ground. He had to add the threat of death to into the act and by then he's already world famous but as as I'm sure we'll discuss it it. It was never enough and he had to just keep going higher and higher and higher. We're GONNA talk about that tied into Adam Smith. Of course listeners will not be surprised to discover of course How does he di he does not define the water torture? Cell is as you know He dies he died essentially of of peritonitis which was he had his appendix removed. He had appendicitis into some very very bad case of appendicitis and by the time is appendix was removed. He The the poison already leaked into his body and and and he died. I'd five days. After his appendix was removed. The big issue. The big question is how did he get appendicitis and and dirty either he he got appendicitis Bositis and ignored it for a little while before his. What is you know? Now many people know is is the famous punch to the stomach or the the punch to the stomach itself caused a appendicitis and nobody knows for sure but essentially he was in Montreal and he was doing an interview with With with Some college reporters and this guy came in and said Mr Houdini. I've heard that you've you challenge anybody. You can handle a punch to the stomach. Anybody Can Punch you in. It will have no effect on you and Houdini. He was already in pain. He'd broken his ankle Doing the water torture Sal. He was old. Everybody was fifty two when he died and most people think he it was much younger than that but he was still performing and still still at his height of fame and he said he didn't WanNa talk about the punch to the stomach. Nobody knows for sure or if he ever really did challenge anybody to punch him in the stomach. It's it seems a silly thing but but Houdini challenge people to do all kinds of silly things so nobody really knows but he he did accept the challenge. Eventually but while he was getting up from the couch and before he was ready the student punched punched in the stomach as many as ten times and before Houdini finally held up his hand and said that will do and and then he fell back into the couch. ended the interview not abruptly but said Okay I need to go and he was in agonizing pain but he refused to go to the hospital so it's hard to understand why that sequence of life events is Andres later it almost two hundred years later still talked about and of course the other party or book which we probably won't talk about so much but there's a non trivial number of people in the world alive today who are not just. It's interesting guy. Yeah they're obsessed with them. They're like changed by. Yeah so this. This is really unusual now. One Way to think about this. I don't think it's correct. But it's interesting Chuck closer on this program talking about his book. But what if what if we're wrong and in that book there's a chapter which we discussed which is how is it that when you ask people what the great American novel it's Moby Dick Right that wasn't true in nineteen ten say I'm guessing but there were points in America. It wasn't until a certain point where that became the answer. What's the most famous or greatest painting of all time? The Mona Lisa really In eighteen fifty that was not true right And then he spends a fascinating amount of time wondering who will be considered. It's it's not. It doesn't list my recyling who will be considered the greatest rock and roll star right. When it's a short era? You know the the rock and roll era. Who Will it be chuck? Barry is it Bob Dylan is it who who will be the person that that people fixate on and you could argue and I think it's false in this case but you go. You could argue that one one more. Sorry who wrote the greatest marching band songs. All John Philip Sousa. He wasn't the only one but he's the only one that we remember. Yeah and so you could Dr Grow. Houdini is the Vaudevillians Street. Performer magician guy from the early part of the twentieth century. There were a thousand sure. But he's the on that people latched onto and now we've decided I don't think that's the case but that's one possibility. Sure sure but there are other answers. What would you say if you had to answer that question why is his fame mystique so lasting? Yeah and it's a great question. And I love the Claustrophobic Book Book On that chapter and and and totally buy into it but one thing that is so interesting about him being so famous is there have being other incredibly famous magician since his time or rat right and. That's what the you know because if somebody mentions David Copperfield. There's never been a magician. Whose had the success David Copperfield? David Copperfield billionaire David. Copperfield owns islands. I mean he's he's been seen by more people and paid by more than any magician ever and and then there are all these others David Blaine and Penn and teller who are incredibly famous an incredibly popular And yet Houdini even them have and then of course all of the people between you know he in his time You know there was a Guy Howard Thurston who was Sibley more popular than than Houdini as a magician jeopardy confident there isn't a single listener to this episode. Who could have been that's right? That's right and yet. In his time he was he was de the magician. You know and so so I think there's something more and what I what I believe is I believe it's a a wide series of events and breaks and things but I think the key is. I don't think anybody has ever been devoted to being famous as Harry dating. I think he wanted to be immortal and spent his all of his life and all of his money and all of his time to make that happen and and his devotion Russian team self and to his fame is lasting. Memory is it's it's odd and inspiring and and not particularly likable in there. Lots of things about it. Yeah reminds me a little bit of Of Ted Williams who allegedly said when he he was a young kid. I walk down the street right when people see me they go. There goes the greatest hitter who ever lived right and you could argue. It's not opening shot but you can actually make the case when you look at his loss. Four years he's is did the top follow. Yeah if not number one or two three at worst so he he had a dream he pursued it relentlessly. He was not a very likable person. Actually Houdini trouble with his family And yet there must have been dozens. Thousands of other young men who wanted that vision didn't make it so it's not enough to wish that it's true and it's it's really interesting. He's because ten Williams is a wonderful comparison in that in that desire to sort of reach this level of immortality that nobody else has. Yeah but tha and the other thing I would add. Is that both men in a time before the Internet before cable. TV somehow managed to be world famous in an incredible credible way this celebrity is this modern thing. It's not no no and in many ways those those people took it to a level that even today today you know today you can. You can put something on twitter and become pretty you can go viral and it was. You had to work go viral in those times but what I would say is this is a is a very worthwhile comparison with Ted Williams says Ted Williams relentlessly worked on his heading at the right. Nobody has ever worked on his craft the way that he did and Houdini worked on his craft too. But the difference is Ted Williams didn't relentlessly work on being promoted right after after he didn't he didn't have but he but he fought with reporters and he he did not he didn't he didn't plant stories of himself. Doing all these amazing things Dini dead. And and so who Dini's I didn't Houdini. He's relentlessness the way that he worked the media the way that he the way that he created these events sense that that are larger life. I think I don't know maybe P.T. Barnum I ever tried to do it that way so I think there's another thing I'm going to hold off on but I wanna I wanNA give one more possible theory that you talk about in the book I think very poetically. which is there's something about escaping? Yes and just talk about that. No that's that's that's right and and I think he wants. He realized that that was. That was a huge part of his success but but there is a there is I think universal sort of admiration for escape from whatever. It is like that moment. You feel like you're lost that moment. What you feel and personal you know where we want to escape from situations all the time But it's also global. I mean I think that one of the most exciting adding things in football is seeing a quarterback who looks like completely surrounded you know of course the most famous one most famous plays in Super Bowl. History is you know that the against the Patriots and giants and we don't WanNa talk we probably don't WanNa talk about are there but I i. I was afraid you might so. Let's just just by sometimes types quarterbacks escape some does quarterback escape but it is but it is thrilling in a in a different way from almost anything else and and and you know pitcher's getting out out of a bases loaded jam I mean there's there's some heroin tied to the railroad tracks. It's it's not Fisher Motif and and and he not only Sort of reset different level with it but it does amaze me that after all of these years we don't have another example of it. I mean there's so many you talk about this. As Ah the MOTIF who escaped more things than James Bond Ride James Bond constantly escape right shoulder and everything else and yet we don't they always pull the James Bond on. We pulled a Houdini. Houdini still you know and I think again. It's it's he understood people's feelings about it. He knew how to take it up to higher red higher and higher levels as he went and and he's still he's still the very essence of escape and our minds. Somebody gives you a different a different theory. I thought operating representing the book. which is I think as you say people think of him as a magician? It's not literally accurate. Already he did. There's something magical about what he did and he tried to perform magic right but clearly. He was a magician in the very innovative sense that when he was under a tarp chained manacled handcuffed in a milk can and came out. There's that's a lot like cut somebody in half and put put them back together so happened there. I can't understand and I'm amazed by right so the the idea I wanNA put forward is. He was the first performance. It's artist. He was doing performance art. What what we now call performance? Meaning he was putting himself. He made himself vulnerable in front of a large crowd. And and we recently talked about Marina Abramovich With Ryan Holiday. She had a I've forgotten the details is but she gave up a stranger a loaded gun and let that stranger point pointed out pointed at her. And that has I mean. That's so Houdini ass right. It's like yes I everyone in the audience thinks at least That this could end in death Obviously it's part of the appeal of of Nascar of car racing but death defying somehow and. I don't think it's in. My mind is not so much escape as it is death defying or mortality. He is so haunts us and to see someone come face to face with it and get away is exhilarating in in a way. No you're you're absolutely right. You know part of part of this book I took my daughters and my wife To see a show where where someone was escaping from water torture yourself and it was a different explain what that is by the way for people whose out the water torture cell was a complete Houdini invention and it's just A. It's actually much smaller than you would think it is. But it's a box where he was lifted up upside down by this by this kind of crane contraption and then lowered in upside down into this fully loaded water sal and and then it would go all the way down to the point where it locked up on the top and he would be under water submerged and you would see him under water submerged for a few seconds ten seconds fifteen seconds it. He's holding his breath and he's not moving. He's not doing anything thing. And then the Kirk would drop and and it would be a few minutes and people would be the audience freaking out and crying and losing their minds until Houdini Dini showed up and he would come out completely wet and perfectly healthy and all of the curtain comes down around the box. That's not. He doesn't is a backstage where somebody can lift about. No Fox's covered. Yes the boxes just cover that no one seems to go near him. That's right and he's handcuffed inside the handcuffed inside the box. It's yeah so he created this thing so we saw a version of this because people still do it. There's several people still do it. So we saw version of the water torture saw. That was much different because the whole thing was exposed. It was you. You can actually see the person trying to escape which was not out Dini did but I watched i. The the performance this was was was wonderful. And all that but I watch my daughters and how they were ripping the side of the chair and how scared they were. And how how you know. The clock is ticking. Picking just the way it was with Houdini. And and you're thinking about how long you can hold your breath. And and and they're panic. I mean absolute panic until the relief leaf when when he escapes and and I think that feeling is exactly the same. I don't think that that human feeling is has not changed at all so I I definitely agree with that. And you point out the book that many of his escapes were under curtains tarps etcetera but the straight check at one he would ride around on the stage and watch his Agony and and and then he had variations where he would come out from under the tarp still manacled not in the water one but still manacled still handcuffed ask I hey to have his jacket removed and and and the audience is not this could be a failure he might not make it You know it's very it's similar to the the card sleight of hand performer. Who says is this your card and sometimes it's not? Yeah you tend to see the ones where it is but everyone goes a little bit wrong and in these cases again life and death was on the line and now it exactly how they were done. there's speculation and one of the things I love about your book and we're not going to spoil. This here is that I'm about two hundred fifty it's about a three hundred page book Two hundred and fifty pages in You finally tell me something. I had already noticed which is like come on how to do these things. You're very careful not to do that. And I thought we won't do here. But of course people have speculated as you point out and get on the web and find it all you want now. If you're yeah I thought it was important because this book to you know was it was as much about wonder and that notion as it is about Houdini if not more I didn't WanNA reveal and the only the thing I do reveal. Well there are two things one. I offered a theory that I have about about what's called the mirror cops which probably don't want to go too deep into but it is one of his greatest escape and is one that we still no matter how far you look. We don't know for sure how he did it. And and there are many theories about it. But there's no actual solution to how did it so I offer my theory because might be wrong and then one other one That offer a little secret and it is only only because I think it reveals something about Houdini and and and and doesn't really tell you how he did the trick but it reveals a little Something interesting about Houdini. But yeah I mean that was that was really important to me to to maintain some of that mystery. Because I think that's part of why it's so much harder to to inspire inspire wonder today. You know if somebody does a magical performance on television you see it on pen. Teller's fool us or on America's got talent or whatever over the next day. There are thirty five youtube videos explaining exactly how it was done. And you don't have to look at them but they're there and it's easy and it's and it's it's hard to believe in something you know bigger and more magical especially because quite often these these secrets these these behind the scenes. They're disappointing. I mean you you have this big idea. Mind how somebody does a trick and then you find out. It's just a piece of threader better and it's like that that doesn't that sort of bust. The bubble a little bit so I was. I wanted to be very careful not to do any of that so I want to. Let's talk about wonder. And then we'll we'll move on to fame TRY TO Deep deep themes of this book I I think it's incredible label insight to realize that people don't want to know. I think in a way you could say. There are two types of people there'd be how'd you. How'd you come on high? How'd you do it and we we all have a short? We also have the the idea that wouldn't it be wonderful when bad choice award wouldn't be extraordinary if there's something here but that's not explicable. Yeah it's a missed a fundamental mystery that this person has somehow the ability to do something that the transcends Hiding something up his sleeve right. Yeah well I I. I have a very personal view of this because I have two daughters and I do magic tricks for them from time to time and I have one daughter my younger than before you could. I did even before wrote the book I would say. It's picked up the book but yeah I always liked it. I always loved doing Lucar. treks little you know little slights. I'm not good at it but I was good enough when they were young to be able to fool them and I did. My Greatest Cartwright for them shortly after the book was was finished and my younger one my my younger daughter was now fourteen. Katie she she was. How did you do how do out? And she's not stopped just asking me over and over and over even started to tell her no and I'm not gonNa tell her I told her I'm not gonNa tell her but my older daughter who's eighteen Elizabeth. She as soon as I showed it she loved it and she's a pretty cynical. She's a teenager icicle teenager. She said don't ever tell me how you did it. I I want to. I love that trek. I want to hold it and I and I thought well. That's we all have a little bit of both of those things in there and and so I think it's harder now now to to feel wonder because we we know so much and we can grow so cynical and it's it's it's just a you know it's just a a different time and anxious time and and I I just think it's. It's much harder to to be able to just say okay. You know I I want to stop here and feel all this. You know. It's it's just impatient and it's difficult to do that but I think it's important I think I think it's an important part of our lives to be able to to not be cynical and all the time and and sometimes just go. Wow I just want to take that in as a piece of art you know or one of the things I thought of from your book and you're right about your daughters and other places story just mentioned a credit in many ways is going to sound ridiculous but in many ways I think parenting parenting a huge part of parenting is for me anyway was about instilling. Wander my children now for me. It covered a very wide spectrum. I'm religious for that so religion was part of that. Wander the mystery of the universe and using religion as a way to express that Sports the miraculous events of sports the seeming. You know not just that escape but the pennant race. The person under pressure who does something unimaginably Ballot check and an elegant and under the toughest circumstances and something else. I know you've written a lot about musicals taking my kids musicals to see something. Imagine that you can't see anywhere else in that that feeling and whether and one more hiking in places like you're semi absolute so all those to me are I would actually categorize them as religious experiences as a religious person but you don't have to be religious to fill wonder. Obviously I think it's deeply embedded in us and many ways growing older is about the death of wonder. Yeah because children can't imagine how you made that penny come from behind their ear. I there's something gloriously beautiful about that and and to retain that that sense of wonder as you grow older is is I think a huge part of being successful adult. So I think you're right and I you know I. Of course I've seen it many many times sports. It's but I just had this fascinating little mobile so my my older. I'm actually about to write about this. My older daughter after seventeen and a half years of or even fully eighteen years of caring nothing about sports other than it being the thing that takes data way you know. Just no interest has become a passionate passionate Kansas City chiefs fan To to to a great extent and it's fascinating to watch cause I'm watching my own childhood. It's so interesting I I had this moment. She doesn't know that much about it she. She's learning all the time and she just she. She fell. Patrick Mahomes quarterback and you know it built. Isn't he's a magician. He's a magician is an absolute magician. But we had this moment and I and I love this so much we were watching and they you know they went away to New York to show a highlight and they showed a running back there on the one yard line. I don't even remember what team it was online. They handed the running back. He jumps over the pile to score score the touchdown and it's a play that people who have seen sports watch football s seen a thousand times. But she'd never seen that before it and she said my gosh he just jumped over them like outage due out and it was so great it was just such a cool feeling of seeing her. Discover over this thing that we've just taken for granted and we shouldn't it's it is extraordinary that you can play football. You can have offensive lineman defensive lineman smashing into each other and a guy athletic enough to jump on. It takes fly. It's amazing and I love that so much to me. Like that's those are the moments that I that I cherish. Now we've talked on this program about mindfulness and and for me a lot of what meditation and mindfulness or about is preserving wonder it's about appreciating the wonder of daily life which after a while we get jaded we grow up. We've Seen Thousand Times doesn't impress his and what I try to do. Is I think like I use this example before you know when when I hear and see the geese flying in formation overhead on Chris Fall Day with the sun coming through the leaves seen in two thousand times. I want to enjoy it as if it were the first time I try to. It's not easy. Don't always succeed mostly fail but I think makes life a lot. Richard you can tap into them. I think that's right. I I've written about this before that and this is just a silly little thing that I do but I do it every time I've been on as of you. How many flights have we been on our lives right? I mean countless flights and travel is so wearying and it's gotten worse and we all know that but when I get on the plane and the flight the plane is about to take off. I always look out the window and try to think. What am I seeing? This is a miracle. It's a miracle every single tactic. Yeah yeah I I Expression Hebrew that we say On Saturday morning morning kadarshian maintenance which literally translated means renew. It's often translated renew our days as of old which is a I think it's not what a great translation? But but it's basically saying and this applies to to marriage. It applies to persuade everything in life. It's like why would you fell in love. You know when you've been married. I've been married thirty years. I still love my wife and but it's different in many ways. It's better than it was when we first met. But I I WANNA hold onto that beginning as well. I think that preciousness of new and and the wonder that's it's there is is just support part of being human. I don't I don't you know I'm getting Maudlin here in a little bit cliche. But it's it's so important I think so too and and honestly it makes me feel so great to have this conversation about this book because that is the goal of this book the goal is just to think about that kind of stuff and you know you're writing about a about a vaudeville performer. Former who was a bully time and mean and and and and you know it was incredibly testicle and all of these things that people don't like about out him but he was able to inspire this in people this feeling you know and and whatever his motivations were which were you know the could be any number of motivations he did and that's what fascinates me about him and that's what's so interesting and I think something that we can. We can learn from and and develop because I think it's it's never been more important you know and it and it you know it'll never stop being important to be able to grab those moments in those just those things that make the world feel a little bit bigger. You know the other. I meant to mention this before. The other street performers that the performance artists that he reminds me over evil knievel yes and Philip Petite. Now they can even for those that don't know trump over big things in oh by motorcycle canyons. He would try. Yeah and Philip. Petite walked a high wire between the Twin Towers. When they stood tragically adjective feet that will never be duplicated? Of course. is glorious documentary about that launch. I which I recommend but just kind of Houdini ask in the sense that they both risked their life and part of the awe and wonder there was that was there watching someone confronting death that way that they were escaping and and those two cases we knew how it was done. He got motorcycle fast. And somehow you know land sometimes and it had petites case it was okay. He's really good at walking on a wire right but we understand that it's different when you're up that far in that high and the wind and everything else about it And yet Houdini took that and added. I don't know how he did which is even crazier. Yeah and kept adding and kept finding new chapters. I mean that was the that was the end of evil. Knievel right is that evil knievel was was doing all of these things and doing these motorcycles and and crashing often enough that you knew there was a chance you were going to watch him break every bone in his body which we did and then he was like okay. Well Times run out on that. What are you GonNa do now? That's what I'm going to jump the Snake River Canyon and everybody thought he was going to do it in a motorcycle that he actually ended up some weird eared craft and then he didn't make it and you know the I don't even know what happened. No he didn't yeah he didn't die he didn't die in make it and then the parachute came out. And then he was out and then everybody but he was like yeah right that chapters over and And that's how it goes but you're right I mean he was. He was someone who who you know He. He saw the thought of himself as a magician. Any did you magic. He made the elephant disappeared. He walked Walson. He did various things but but when he captured was what street magician a street performer. Tight Rope Walker can do which is at their very best just lifter. Lift your spirits in a way that you just go. Wow Oh wow I mean. I'm I've never seen anything like that. So tell us. The Sarah Bernhardt story probably famous actress every day. I just saw my grandfather's WPRO certificate. His he was born in eighteen. Ninety seven on my father's side His first name was Bernhardt. Wow Spelled B. U. R. N. H. Chain are not His he was called burning all his life But I think he was named after. Sarah is weird. Yes was was an like Houdini. An enormous right celebrity of right I mean just and like Houdini. People had many many many different opinions about her but she was the actress of her day and many thought she was the greatest actress ever many thought she was the worst actress. Ever you know is it was very itchy. She's a fascinating figure much forgotten. You know which is which is tells you how how difficult it is but inner time. Her fame certainly surpass her. Dini's I mean she was. She was enormously famous ascended toward the end of her life. She had her leg amputated. She add she long had issues with her with her leg and and And she had added amputated and then she houdini being Houdini always looking for headlines Connected with her because she was given an award and then she was is asked to pay for the award which is very strange and Houdini saw this and immediately swept in and said I will happily pay for this award and and and and they became friends and she came to a performance of his. And and there's a an amazing photo that captures this scene. She comes and she says to. Houdini Houdini are so great. Can you give me back my leg and Houdini you know is is deeply deeply leap moved and touched and yet he has to say to her that I'm not really magical. I mean I can't really do that and she didn't believe him him she. She insisted that he tried to bring back her leg. And there's A. There's a glorious photos. She's sitting in a car and he's standing outside and she's looking through the window and there's a there's a deep deep sadness in her and as she realizes that Houdini her last hope is cannot bring back or lagging agonize. I just think that story's so powerful well I've read your Maria than you have but you describe it in. The book is saying we're in response today and he says I can only do the amazing. I can't do the impossible. Yes and I think that gets really important aspect of this. which is when you don't know how it's done you think it's impossible? Yeah I love the idea. Some of us like the idea of that that could be. You could get your back you could live forever right again. I think comes back to the word talent that hangs over humanity right but this idea that the miracles literally miracles. Don't just the the nineteen eighty miracle one is which is one of the more wondrous things I've seen But that the true miracles are bought. Things that defy understanding and we we have a piece assume that once that and it's that that story captures up for me yeah You know the original title is book was the amazing using impossible that was the original title. And and then as you you all know with publishing houses they were like you really going to write a book about Houdini and not have his name and the title. You're you're not going to do that. Yeah so that goes but But yeah there's there's there's a a very small but incredibly important -portant line between what is amazing and what is impossible and and the greatest magicians but I think also the greatest athletes and the greatest the greatest performers the greatest musicians the greatest singers and actors and they walk that line so that you see what Mike Trout does us and you think oh my gosh it's impossible. It's impossible for somebody to be this good at this game with that ball coming out of a hundred miles an hour and this and that and the other and it's not it's amazing and it's just right at that line between amazing impossible right the fact that we can't do marriage like this idea of what in sports sports could a can a decent amateur. Do and what can a decent amateur not too so a decent amateur can a weekend. Tennis player conservative. Nice sure Kim return a faster. Probably I'm thinking probably can't touch a roger. Federer serve right touching. It would be an achievement. Stephen might never get it back over the net into the into the court. It's so interesting you bring that specifically up because in one of my earlier episode Iv a tennis player in one of my earlier episodes when I was trying to do my participant type journalism I face. Greg Resent Ski. Who at the time at one of the great serves in the world and and you know and he was taking it easy on me? You know just so you know and I would barely get it back right slice it. I touch whatever. And then he hit a serve and and I it's indescribable because there are there. Are things that you like. If somebody hit a hundred and fifty mile our serve IRV like a an Andy Roddick serve. Of course it would never get to it. But that's not what he did. He hit a serve that bound so high. I literally lifted in my racket as high as I could go and jump and it was probably four feet above Iraq and I thought okay. That's now you've seen it. Now you've seen what. What the differences princes and so? Yeah so you would never be able to do that but then there are some things you could do right. You can get a Birdie and golf right absolutely Louis. You would struggle to do it at the masters right right with the cup. Set up the way they said it. Is that bad. Yeah pills I think golf and I'm of Somebody's got twenty times as life but one of the appeals of golf is that you seem on the surface to be doing something that the best in the world for doing it feels and playing softball ballgame is actually nothing like standing against Randy Johnson. No but you can pop up though but I don't think you could touch. You're we're I touch a Randy Johnson. Patch the fear factor combination. Touch it not not not hit a double in the ever ever the amount of effort it would take to get to it but we know it's not impossible because we know people do it to do it but they do it and I think a lot of what we're talking about here is that you know some of these things. We don't know that anyone can do except this one man. Yeah that's on present right and it's it's it's exactly the ones you do with the best. This was what was so. Oh you know what the difference between a magician and maybe a great a great pianist or something so if you're watching a great pianist playing and you're seeing there you know they'll have that close close up angled their fingers and you're like oh my gosh. I can't do that but a magician you know especially in today's world. They're doing that but making it look like they're doing nothing right so they're taking right they're gonNA hold different level and and so you know. Houdini of course was was constantly pushing. The I'm the only man of the world who can do any of these things which wasn't true but but the illusion was was extraordinarily powerful and and so yeah. I think that's that's when you see something like that. You think there's only one person who can do it. That's really bordering on the impossible right. That's that's where it gets our way out in the right can't do not just in the top one percent one yes let. Let's talk about celebrity And and I guess one way to think about Houdini the you've alluded to is that he was the master of PR. Yes in a way. He played the media We we've talked many times on the program about Adam. Smith's insight from from the theory of moral sentiments man naturally desires not only to be loved to put to be lovely and Smith says I loved. He means praised matter to matter to be honored to be respected He talks about when you walk into a room. People say oh they they notice that you're there is other people are just born visible and how painful that is this human beings we want to be loved when people to recognize our specialists and we want to be lovely went to earn the praise and respect and honor of those around us honestly and and we can fool ourselves and and delude ourselves about that but he he basically says you know there's two ways to be loved to be Seen as as as somebody body one is to pursue fame power and money People who have those three things are they. People pay a lot of attention to him And he says that's the wrong way to get there. He says that's the glittering path he says you take the quieter path of virtue and wisdom. And you know I think about that a lot. A- and the the quest for fame particularly in the Internet Social Media World the challenges of of not succumbing to that And Smith would argue that it wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily say this way but the pursuing that glittering path fame money and power is corrosive. You'll do things that you're going to be ashamed of. That are going to be in you and I loved. I saw Houdini as an incredible example. This problem you have this wonderful poem by Emily. Wally Dickinson. That I didn't know I'm a pretty big Dick van. I loved this. It's called. I called anything. She tytler problems but Her problems are often called by their first blonde. Fame is a be it has a song it has a sting To it has a wing and I thought boy what what I mean. It gives me goosebumps to read the poem and Especially knowing that Emily Dickinson was probably the least famous person in her lifetime. For how famous she is now. Yeah she's the Anti Houdini. She didn't promote herself died. I think none of proposer published. I think in her death and now is not just. Oh yeah well. She was a good politics still is speaks to modern just in a in a unusual way so let. Let's talk about that palm and what how it applies to Dany famous a B. has song. It has a sting To it has a wing of the song sting in the wing for Houdini. Well I think a he was neither. He was deeply in love with both the song and a staying. He didn't mind the staying at all so the song is of course everyone knowing Houdini and the money money he made and the fame and the cheers the you know he he. He was obsessed with it and loved it. So deeply the sting is you know. The the the impersonators that came along that that that that drove him mad the the many many people he alienated in his life. The friends that became enemies. He's the he he. He was willing to pay all those prices he was. He was willing to the very end of his life to be hated by group group in order to be loved by another and it was it was something that was deeply embedded in him but the wing the fact that flame fame to fly away. The fact actor fame can end at any point it haunted him haunted him every minute of every day there are there are fascinating fascinating diary entries that he would right because see right around nineteen nine. He'd been famous for a decade and much like what we talked about with evil knievel. There was a moment where it's sort. I've I've seen you escape from every possible thing you can escape from its you know okay. I'm bored I'm moving on and there's a there's an extraordinary diary entry wrote in Saint Louis where he just wrote essentially they didn't come then come to see me. Is this the end of Houdini. Is this the end of Houdini. And and he he meant it I mean they're they're scared he would. He was famous for telling people. You know that that this could ruin me. This'll be the end of maybe you know. And and Haunted him all of his life and so so we always did try to find the next thing next thing. Okay now I gotta add danger. Now I gotta add You know I've got a whole other flourish. I've gotta I've gotTa do the straitjacket escape upside down in the middle of town for free. I mean that's the the other you know. You came here to Washington. And did the upside down straitjacket escape right by the the Abbot Grill and and You know what the at the time was a theater by. Keith's theatre and and fifteen thousand people came to watch him. You know flooded flooded Washington and and it was all just as a promotion promotion for the show. It was all just okay. You got to see Houdini come out to the show tonight and but it was much more for him. It was it was getting that crowd and and having having everyone see him and it was he was desperate to always find that next all the way to the end of his life where his final stage really was unmasking of spiritualists ritualised and mediums. And and you know it was. It was certainly a devoted cause for him but it also put him back in the news and gave him headlines again and and you know at it was corrosive. There's no question and it's why there are people in this book who absolutely cannot stand Houdini. I mean their their voices are here a two and a you know it's because they felt you know one one of the great magic historians of today is a guy named Mike. Cave knee was a great magician as well And a wonderful person and he does not like Houdini and I said to him. Why is it? You don't like you Dini. And he said because Houdini was not enough to win everybody else has had to lose and and I think that that's that's the corrosive part of of needing to be more famous more famous more famous. Just play arm armchair armchair or a psychologist. He was sure sure he was an emigrant through was probably ashamed of not being born here because we know he lied about it. Sure ashamed of his poverty. Shamed of his father's failure reminds me a little bit about a weird parallel runs. It a little bit of Fi. LBJ Who who had a father. He felt didn't match up didn't meet his expectation and said I'm not going to be that guy. Yeah Yeah Yeah and Jewish. I mean you know that was a big part of his ear in those years when Jews were looked down on and struggled to get acceptance acceptance were discriminated against literally and in university admissions and elsewhere. He had a chip on his shoulder. Whole Life Hall? Another way to say yes yeah. I think that's absolutely zoe right. I I think the curse it was. It was a curse that he turned into something else he he he definitely like there is a part of I. Guess maybe this is. I don't think this is unique to Houdini. But there's a part I'm not going back. I'm not going to be that guy again. I'm not going to be poor again. I'm not going to be. He looked down on. Everyone will look at me and they will respect me and they will admire me and they will know my name and and I think it's amazing looking from the outside looking in Dan where you go let some point. You're the one of the most famous people in the world. Enjoy a little bit a can't and I think that's precisely the corrosive also nature. I think that's specifically. What would emily Dickinson is talking about in there is that is that at at no point does the be ever stopped flying and and when you have to endure that is a story? I'm sure you know that when when Marilyn Monroe came back from I think the Korean in war yes her husband was Joe Dimaggio and at that time she was married to some very interesting. Arthur Miller Miller yeah Not that many people were married. Joe Dimaggio and Arthur Miller One wants so she comes back from the tour and she's Joe says how was said and she says Oh. You can't imagine the cheers and said yes I can. Yeah I always haunted is story. Yeah cheers and Lisa. Yes I am the tragedy of Joe Maggio for me. Besides the fact that he's a Yankee which shaw leave side but the ends up his his remember by many the people as the as the spokesperson for the Mr Coffee absolutely coffee machine and in the Paul Simon Song. It's Scholten Joe has left and gone. Where are you where have you gone? Joe Dimaggio jolted. Joe Is left and gone away. He's still around is selling coffee. Makers yeah and that's was obviously it's for the money but it's also because he just wants to have somebody pay attention to them all. It's so interesting and of course the one of the most ever since I learned it just stuck with me so much that Paul Simon's hero was Mickey Mantle. It was not not Joe Dimaggio but Joe module better in the song. It's so so for the meter. Yeah so he was just the lyric he was more of a lyric at that point. And you know and and Jodi module at the end of his life insisting on always being introduces the greatest living ballplayer and and you know it's sad it said but I do believe that that that is that is a rule without exception. I think if fame vein does not ever lead to anything beyond the craving for more fame right I I just I. I don't. I'm not saying the famous a bad thing. I'm just saying that that the pursuit of fame never ends. Yeah that's It's an it's an again. It's a challenge of of of life. You're you're you're famous Write your famous but you could be more famous show. Yeah and you could spend a lot more time out. Yeah sure you spend a little time no matter but I try to spend as little as possible because it it is corrosive Writing a book an interesting experience as you know because it it i. It's all you care about right and you think I've just got to make sure it gets this bookstore on it. Gets this publicity. Gets this article. It's hard not to resist. That Siren. Call what is all the book. It's it's a very different thing because you've worked so hard on it and it's so many pretty lonely hours of of of struggle and and you know and this book was so much fun because I got to talk to so many people but it's still hundreds of hours of sitting in my little office by I myself my girls you know wanting to do something and I've got to be be sitting there typing and thinking and working and structuring and all these other things and so when it's over you want people to read it you know so so that is it is hard to avoid that kind of thing but I think some of it you know it's Theme aim of this conversation is. It's that it's that it's that thirst for immortality it's I I say this a lot. It's it's it's it's a joke but it's not really a joke for most authors. There's that I know. Their books are like their children. Yeah they can't talk about them. Rationally they love beyond reason they defend them Irrationally short because it's their offspring their creation their child and both of them. Have this think they are some. What of a gateway to immortality? There's something you can leave behind. Yeah I think that's right. I used to always have this dream of being able to walk into a library and say To the Librarian I'm wondering if do you have any any fitzgerald any Dickinson any Poznansky. You know that was always. I've never done it but it was always my dream. I Yes yeah I think you want to. You want to leave your work behind especially as journalist where you know so much of what you do is is gone. You know immediately so seating yeah it's fleeting but of course we're books and so is at the end of the day were I. I have no end up on the remainder Tayeb exactly. I know irrational channel feelings. That some day they're gonNA call my book Moby Dick. I don't I don't feel that way but you know you do work so hard on them and and and you do you want them to be seeing you want them to be and you know in a way. That's a pursuit of fame. And in another way it's it's sort of a way way to tell yourself that what you did was worth your time. Yeah self-justification I read a quote from The screenplay of recent movie yesterday which Have you seen it. I have we're not going to talk about the plot Because there's going to be no spoilers here but there is a agent who talks to a songwriter? WHO's not I've been successful and now all of a sudden he's a big deal and she says to him You've hit an extraordinary songwriting group. And you want to be the biggest star in the world. He says well well she says yes the answer to that question. Well yes I guess not. Well yes I guess yes I guess and then she says says and I just love this as so smithian buddy when I'm offering you is the great and glorious poisoned shallows of money and fame name. If you don't want to drink it which I would understand go back and have a warm beer and little Bonnie England drink it. I need to hear you say Deborah. I'm so thirsty. GimMe the Goddamn Chalice. So which is it he says. I'll take the chalice but I think that description a love it. The Great and Glorious Poison Chalice of money and fame gets what what Adam Smith was talking about. And what we've what we're talking about. I do think it's possible to keep fame in perspective or naturally But it's not our nature and you have to fight against. I think the ones that do you know the people that that you see. The the famous the famous actors and musicians nations and performers and and you know and and scientists and economists who achieve. I'm glad you put two different categories scientists and economists. Ah I I want to separate yes. I knew that No but there are people that do handle fame. Well the ones that you talk to go by. It's like nothing you know. We admire those people and the reason we admire them is because it's a hard and it's you know and and your your point about the you know. Just someone like me. I there are steps. You're on a staircase and you know if you take that next step you might get to be a little more famous. Take that next step. You might get but each each step that you're taking is taking your further away from what you feel like matters so so we all feel. There's a koper level. We we all feel on that staircase and I think. Houdini had to get to the top of the staircase. Whatever that was and of course it doesn't have a top right? It's a never ending. slatter Jacob's ladder exactly different kinds of ladder anyway. reminds me What did you say that again? What you just said what? What was that About Oh you're on the staircase. Yeah you're if you're not careful you're getting you're getting further and further. You said from what matters it reminds me of the the you know the the coach or the politicians. I WANNA go to spend more time with my family's stepping down usually. It's because they're never choice right. Few people actually sues to spend more time with their families which makes me very sad but I think that's the reality. I think that's right and I think you're right. I love you know 'cause I just invented that staircase thing just a minute ago but but I love that. The I'm stepping down. That's really what they always say. I'm stepping down to spend more time with my family to focus on my. You know my mental all health or whatever. The case may be when you went to high you climb too high it should be. I'm stepping up. Yes that's exactly right No you're a big springsteen fan yes and I did not see springsteen on Broadway but I did watch the Netflix version. which by the way was a wonderful experience? I thought I thought the having seen it on Broadway and seeing Neth Lex I thought they were different but equally wonderful so it's beautifully done He I appears to have some. We don't know if it's acting or not but he is he he's reflective yes about fame in that in that In that show in a way. That's very powerful. I think it makes a great experience rather than just. It's fun to watch him play Kucinich versions of some of his great songs. But I think what makes it. Special is that his self reflection election about his childhood his parents his father's desire to please as fathers need for his father's love It's a very intense Again vulnerable all exposure which is part of what again great performances often what makes wondrous and and so and so moving And in his book which I did not read but my brother did also understand very honest or at least appearing to be yes. And maybe you have to live long enough to put fame mm-hmm in perspective and the The those who die young which of course many do because they flew to I or destroy themselves in other ways besides death Just I ever get that chance right. Well I I think. The book is very similar to the Broadway show. There's a lot from the book in the show so that's very similar. He just recently put out a movie. He called Western skies. Which is which is which I saw and loved? He is definitely at a stage where I think he always did. Try Cry in a way that I think is a little bit. You know unusual to keep it in perspective to to think about what matters you know. When when he had his first? I big huge bits of fame. He felt very uncomfortable with it. Didn't like it and didn't and rebelled against it to a great extent and then had a a later moment element where he tried to sort of embrace the fame and didn't find happiness doing that. So he's a he's lived a fascinating life and a very public life and now he he is. Because he's Bruce springsteen because he has this incredible fan base he can he has the option and he's taken the option to sort of speak to those people all all of us in an honest way about the regrets. He has and the feelings of fame and and what that was like and how he got here and what it was the created. And it's it's it's a gifted but it's a gift that a lot of people had that opportunity. It's it's fascinating that he's taking that opportunity it. I'm thinking thinking about What motivates artists? And my brother. WHO's a big? I'm a big springsteen fan. You're bigger than I am. My brother's much bigger than I am about bigger than I am too. Yeah but meaning. He seen him maybe twenty times. I've seen him three times. I think twice three times two or three times But my brother likes to point out. That springsteen is one of the rare artists that I would put mark Knopfler as the other one I can think of who at the age of fifty sixty and seventy is still putting out solo solo albums of new new. Yes there are. Two new albums are compilations live performances and first of all it takes tremendous amount of skill to do that but Bill had had a great moment of honesty is somebody who thinks underrated incredibly talented song writer. Performer who has not put out a new record decades right and very few put anything really after the age of forty. It's kind of incredible in the in the pop world and somebody asked why don't you. Why don't you put records? And he said all the last one I put out nobody bought it and he wasn't interested in expressing himself. Self Right which is what is the ideal of the artist if it wasn't gonNA be enjoyed by somebody other than himself yeah I may be still writes this on songs for fun. I doubt it but What's interesting to me about springsteen it's interesting to me about about Dylan and you can see Dylan's confronting his own not not literally really but you you can? It's revealed in the Scorsese documentary. No Direction home which is an extraordinary piece of film. I guess His unease with fame name and his part of his going electric was an attempt to really put a swing in the eye of his fan base. And say you know not only not care what you think. I'm getting joy not carry. You don't like it. Yeah I just think that's an interesting tension and I don't remember anything more to say about it but what you know. I think that's all right and I think there are. People who've rebelled hard against fame. Like Dillon but dillon. Continue to put out music right and continues continues to this day to put on music the thing I love about springsteen's the last fifteen years. Probably since the rising probably since nine eleven which sparked a whole different level level of creativity from him. You know he was so deeply moved by as we all were about night by nine eleven that he felt. I have something to say. It's is he's been really vulnerable. He's put out a bunch of music and not all of. It's been good and not all of its. Even you know they're always springsteen apologists. Were many many of them very good friends of mine. Say they're all all good. They're all good every song grade like really queen at the supermarket. No I mean not. Every song is great but but I loved it. He's out there and still trying crying and he could. He could cash in in such a big way. Just being Bruce springsteen and and playing born of Ron five hundred nights at a year. Yeah I mean he could do what everyone Ed. But he's out there putting you know. I was just listening to Western skies yesterday and I was listed movie version where he plays with an orchestra and it's beautiful uniform and I love all of it but I love most of it and it's and it's really vulnerable. It's totally different from anything that he's done before and I I think that's I think that's really special. I think he's I think I love. It's almost like I love Bruce Springsteen's music but I love the idea of what Bruce springsteen tried to do even more when you think of different artists Some of them or so uneasy taking a risk that they just performed from the greatest hits over and over again and I get that and A lot of talk about magical. I'm glad they're alive. It's it's it's it's it's hard to believe that Mick Jagger alive and others and then they're the ones who get up and take a chance and I I it's just think about born turned around. We walk with me out on the wires. I'm scared and lonely. What's the neck? I remember the next time but writer writer. I wonder how it feels One of love is love Israel. Yeah Karen but but the idea of being out on the wire ties into what we're talking about before the the fully petite on the wire of of of Between the World Trade Center and then Dany again Right always pushing always pushing to you know for Houdini. I think it was pushing uh for fame pushing for headlines and you know that was. That's what equal fame. I mean he was a time before radio. You know. Just at the very beginning ending of silent film You know he was always pushing for that headline and I think other artists like springsteen but but many others writers particularly same idea right right the same thing you did before. Yeah I mean people will tell you do a sequel do sequel of this. You know I just saw Brian Koppelman. WHO'S A it was? A wonderful creator does billions and did the movie Rounders and he's only been sixteen thousand times to do a sequel to rounders and he's he's not GonNa do it because there's no new ground there. There's nothing new for him to to go after this money but it is pretty nice. Nice you got a little fame right. Ah Thankful for those. I'm thankful for those people that are. I'm thankful that you can go see the rolling stones performed satisfaction. I mean that's great but I'm more thankful for the people who are who are willing for the authors that are willing to just write something entirely different because that's where their their heart moves them or communication that goes to a completely different place even if it upsets the fans. Because it's like you have to on a journey and your your hopefully will become with me because you're part of it and I think that's really special on a at a very special part of celebrity and I don't I think Houdini asked his people to come with him but he always it was always conditional you know it was always You have to come with me and big in big numbers or I'm going to try something else because that's that's what matters so. When I started your book I had a particular image of Houdini my mind which was Magical Shirley relief just that. He was this special charismatic Unique thing I didn't know much about and I'm sad to say a little bit that that now that I'm done with the book He's fallen down in my estimation he's there's not just the smithian thing about the pursuit of sure he was good mom. We should say that. We haven't mentioned very good to his mother yes How did your feelings about them? Change over over the course of the book. It's quite a bit just because of something. We talked about the very beginning. which is what what part of him is real? And what part isn't and in and so much of what we know about. Houdini is not true and so much of what we think about. Houdini is not true. And and and it's hard to grasp it's a little bit like fog trying to grasp what is real about this guy and there are many many say because I feel like it's so easy to push the other aside many many really likeable qualities about Houdini. I mean there you don't I don't think you become that successful and famous without having these really likeable qualities he was a he was devoted mother. He loved kids he he was really for someone who chased fame and money in care about money he was. He was escort Caper for improper. No creature comforts. You Know He. He spent all of his money on magic books and he was devoted to the art of Magic to the point where he kept trying to find old magicians and learn from them and make them you know he would he would. After magicians at died he would spend you know his money to make their gravesites special and He was devoted to a lot of really interesting and and even he was likable in in so many different ways. And then there was this other side of him that was very unlikable and and and he was egotistical and he was difficult and You know the bigger he got a little ruthless ruthless little a lot ruthless. Yeah no he was. You know one of the famous stories that that I tell in the book is is that he heard about an impostor awesome clip. Pini who is who is Copying his act and he stopped his tour literally stopped tour for three days and could Pini was not tamous he was just a just a street magician trying to scrap for a few box and Houdini heard about him and stopped us tour and went and found mound him dressed up as an old man in a costume in in the crowd scene. Out of a movie. It's a scene out of a movie. He's he's he's in a crowd crowd dressed up and then when clip Eimi says okay who has handcuffs to challenge me with. Houdini goes I do need any goes up with a cane limps to the stage and puts handcuffs and immediately after doing that tears off. The costume says I the audience may make a home now for. I am the Great Houdini and no man handcuffed by Houdini ever escapes and he was right. Clipping couldn't get out of the handcuffs and he waited a long time I before leading clipping the out of the handcuffs so there was a ruthless. Fe- felt somebody was trying to take advantage of him. Make a name of his name. He was yeah absolutely ruthless. Yeah the cartoon. I've mentioned before which is the. I'll be up in a minute honey. I said something wrong on the Internet. You know it's like he can't let it can't let it go. You can't let it go could not let it go and so so you have this wonderful and and not so wonderful. Mix of many many different from qualities that Houdini had. So as you're writing about him you know there are things you really like about them. They're things you really don't like about him and I think what I came away. Hey with was this an admiration for somebody who knew what he wanted and whether or not it's it was worth wanting you know is is not for me to to to argue. It would be for me but for him. He was going to become the most famous magician in the world. The most famous person in the world he WHO's going to be remembered forever and he he made it happen out of nothing literally. Nothing you know. He was just a poor kid in New York. You're an immigrant and a Jew and and and someone who had to endure incredible odds to make anything of himself much. Celeste become this figure that we still remember all these years later. And Harry are November. Six twenty one thousand nine still talking about him in Washington. DC Hoover Institution. It's pretty amazing. Hang up how did it change you. How did Writing about a long dead mysterious UND- really knowable person change change. You if at all yeah I think there were a couple of pretty significant sort of personal things for me. One is more structural. Oh I think this is my first non sportsbook. I'd written for five collection of sports books before and they're hard. Every book is hard you know I mean I wrote a book Joe Paterno in the middle of the world's pretty hard yeah. That was hard. So they're all hard. Ah but I was always on solid ground. You know I was always i. Was this wheelhouse right. I'm sports writer and I know everybody in sports and if I know someone who does and it was and this was a book I knew nobody knew very little when I started I had this. I came in his book with an idea and I did not know a single person and magic not one. I literally contacted David Copperfield through the contact us bar on his Internet page for his for his casino where he performs and I knew nobody and had no real ends and then building and talking to people in developing relationships ships them introducing me to other people who meet other people. I loved that being on the wire again. You know that's that was. I didn't know how Oh that would be. I really didn't and you know it's so easy to get comfortable and you know just pick a pick a baseball topic and I you know I know enough people in Baseball Ball. I can make it work but and by the way my next book my very well be that but for this opportunity I found it myself how much I loved loved being nervous and anxious and not knowing what the next step was and not knowing where it was going to go I I wondered that because I think it's so easy to get comfortable and so so I love that so that that was the first thing I really learned about myself is that yeah. There's still a part of me that wants that that wants to be in a completely difficult An unknowable situation. The second thing was this really did sort of make me think about what my writing has been about and what I wanted to be about and this idea of wonder was exactly how I came to this project. That was exactly actually my. That was the thing I told them at the publishing house. My told my agent told my wife that I really wanted to write about wonder but having done it and having written about all of these amazing characters and you know beyond Houdini I I started to think this has been a theme of my life. You know sort of where we started this conversation. I think I wrote you mentioned this. I wrote a piece about taking my daughter's Hamilton which went one of the greatest greatest essays of last few years. May It's a spectacular but a link to it. I sent it around to all my family read. Write it more than once. Read it last night again. It's great thank you. Thank you th- and it was very special because it was obviously very personal and I just put it on my blog and I didn't I just wrote out you know and that's about wonder under you know and I started thinking about all of these pieces taking my daughter to potter world. Will you know for for for an essay called Katie the prefect writing reading about my father and springsteen and and the connection there and and and then of course all of the sports pieces that I've written in all of these. You know my favorites there are. That's about wonder it's about these things that are not quite explainable. These feelings that that emerged from seeing being you know that that thing that's bordering on the impossible right right there between the amazing and the impossible and I sort of so. I don't want this to sound. Overly you know anything. Because I'm an incredibly on. I don't like saying anything good about myself but I kinda I think that's my purpose. I kind of you know. That's that's what I started thinking was. I thought all of the success that I've had as a writer has sort of been me in search of of these moments of wonder and and I think you know I i. I don't know that book changed it but clarified that in mind and you know thinking. I don't WanNa do any projects that don't feed off of that. I mean look sports writer. So I'll I'll you know right my takes on stuff that's gone wrong and I'll rip the NC Double A.. And do whatever you know whatever the case may be I have strong feelings but in a larger sense I really do believe that my purpose is is to sort of see about sparking that that wondering wondering people and so so. That's that's a great gift that I got from this book. My guest today is Joe. PAS Danske his book is the life and Afterlife Afterlife of Harry Houdini Joe Thanks for being part of ECON talked. Oh thank you. This was so much fun for me. This is ECON- talk part of the Library of Economics and liberty for Maury contact cody contact dot org where you can also comment on. Today's podcast and find links and readings related to today's conversation. The sound engineer recon talk rich. Go yet I'm your host Roberts. Thanks for listening. Talk to you on Monday Sunday.

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Unlocking the Rhythms of Rosala

Switched On Pop

51:23 min | 1 year ago

Unlocking the Rhythms of Rosala

"Welcome switched on pop. I'm musicologists nate. Sloan and with my co host. Charlie harding aww in Parent Ville. It means we get to bring on another all star Co host and today. I am very pleased to welcome none other other than Meghan Lube in our very own producer. Megan thank you so much for joining us. I night Meghan. You're here because you have a burning musical question artists that you cannot get out of your brain. Who is that? And why can't you stop listening to them I do. It's an artist that a lot of listeners might know about already. She's certainly somebody that we've been talking about on the show behind the scenes lot. been waiting to tackle. Her name is Rosalia. And the reason I want to talk to you about Rosalia is because of a really specific experience is that I had listening to a song of hers. Take us there yeah. Paint the scene great great. Yeah what time of day is it. You know it's Golden Hour. I'm in my hometown of the River Oregon. Yeah it's gorgeous. There's mountains there. I'm on a walk with my dogs clear mental picture of these continue and I'm not walk. I discovered this artist Leah. I see she's got an album out and I put him album. The album starts with some. Sounds like this Ma No kidding. Wow I've heard Rosalia. I've never heard this particular tract before and it's Speechless you hear a young boy reciting something in Spanish. And he's sitting being far enough away from the MIC. That you kind of feel like you're secretly overhearing something it's all very intimate you don't know who the boy is but he's like he's teeing Kazuya and then you hear wrestling voice coming and it's soft but it has this power. ooh Her voice. It's it's like slightly whispered like you can hear the RASP. But it's very pure and she's got at these gorgeous runs like it's very soft but so emotive and I don't know if you noted there's a point in the song where singing very softly and then. Everything escalates escalates. She starts singing with a force that was not in the first part of the song. Her vocal range shoots up as well the first purchasing in a lower register and then as it goes on. I won't even try to emulate which much higher register at Harley. kind of like it. Picks up and the emotion that she's been keeping in reserve kind of bursts firsts out and then before you know it she's actually she's back down again I unmoved. I have to ask nate before we go any further. Do you speak any Spanish. Don't speak any Spanish okay. Put the phone suze. Each gun ambition H. But I don't really speak in his yet. Yeah Okay Yeah I I totally hear you. I'm picking up what you're putting down. Yes so I speak. None of those languages may be a handful of words of Spanish which means that while she's singing. I don't really understand what's being said but in the end in his profoundly different emotional state and listening to that song on that walk like I was left with question. What does this song like this doing? What does music due due to Q.? Emotion and you when you can't understand the words being spoken and I wanNA acknowledged that the lyrics really represent this huge arc work involving different characters versus trying on and that alone could be the subject of all other episode. So that's not what we're going to talk about today. Well we are going to talk about about is the way that she conveys emotion in her music and the way that she constantly keeps US guessing by switching up rhythms and incorporating some of the traditional elements elements of Flamenco into her pop. Okay great and what's the other part so there's another thing about this song which is that it kind of seems to float through like like without a grounding in time. This isn't a Asong where you're really clearly like counting out the downbeat floating. I tried to count it out and I couldn't so first thing you want to do is kind of establish the underlying beat which is confusingly. Not where the hand claps occurring see. WanNa feel the place where you want to tap your foot or nod your head but then the question is once you've established the underlying beat. How do you group those beats into repeating sets of the same amount and that becomes very challenging here because if you try and count the conventional four meter one lund start begging very disorienting one? Two for one to the one doesn't it's it doesn't work it's like it's really trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Yeah I mean. I didn't even and get that far when I'm on my dog walks. I'm walking my dogs. I've got other things on my mind but I was totally taken by the complete lack of predictability the feel of this song long. I'm not grounded in a four four. This is not traditional pop. I mean it's it's certainly not traditional pop. This song comes off a flamenco album. Is this feeling like you're being taken on a journey right like it's much more poetry than pop music but the crazy thing is that Rosalia as a lot of listeners might know already is like is kind of one of the most interesting things happening in pop right now popular music. She's this Spanish. FLAMENCO trained pop singer. Who last year put out an album that fuses traditional flamenco elements the Palmas those like Spanish rhythmic phrases than you were hearing and in the song and she fuses those elements with with really modern R. and B. and hip hop production elements? We're going to hear that in a minute. But she's all over the billboard dance chart. She's got these songs with like huge lodden. The artist J Galvin Zona her songs lament. They cannot Report due to poor me. The the sons are huge. The racking up like millions and millions if not billions the views on youtube she performed at the amazed this year like she's becoming a household name so with all that in mind. I did some research. I did a lot of research and And it turns out that the songs to superior companero that we heard earlier that you were just trying to cannot the beat to the reasons that it left such an indelible l. impression on me are so much more complex and interesting then. I understood them to be at the time and they are still really present in the more flamenco Winco and pop fused music. That she's making now so let's start with a little bit of WHO Rosalia is. Rosalie grew up in industrial part of Spain. So it's about forty five minutes outside of Barcelona and she grew up on a lot of different music as talented musicians often. Do they have a lot of musical influences. Everything everything from Bruce Springsteen to Queen Ted Bob Marley York. We've talked about on this show Tanya show. Aw Aw these child take all of what you can hear in her music now but early on is actually the sound of Flamenco. That was really really inescapable where she lived in Spain an interview. She talks about the first time that she heard arguably one of the most if not the most famous FLAMENCO singer of all time in his name is Cameron Della Islah. She says when she heard this I think she was thirteen inches. Her head exploded Let's hear Cameron Delays La That's extraordinary I mean the guitar. Our work alone would probably leave. My mind exploded like Rowsley and then when you add on these vocals that are. I don't know what's the right word. impassioned almost possessed it's like it's pretty staggering motive. By the time we finish this episode. You're going to have a lot of words to describe what you're hearing of words really exciting. So so as the story goes she hears Cameron and throws herself into learning the art of singing flamenco. She takes flamenco dance classes. She starts listening obsessively relate to his records as she starts learning piano. She starts composing music but the type of singing. She's trying to do and come on is doing. It's incredibly challenging and at this point. She doesn't have any formal training so she's actually when she's trying to sing flamenco. She's actually hurting herself. You know all this time. She's tried to pick it up by ear and ended up mimicking it. And she actually damages her vocal cords in that process. So typically flamingos picked up. When you're a kid like there are families who come up singing FLAMENCO? You hear it from the time you really little. So it's not a conscious learning process Rosalia learning at the age of thirteen. So it's all just sort of like trying to imitate the people she's hearing and so she has surgery to repair vocal cords and recommit to the learning process but this time she seeks out professional instruction so this begins her years of training with this extremely extremely sought after vocal instructor. His name is Jose Miguel Vizcaya and he's mostly known as cheeky so Rosalia stays with cheeky through high school and through her years at a music college called smoke. It's an acronym and with him. She learns the True Art of singing. FLAMENCO in two thousand Seventeen Rosalia finally only drops an album called Los Angeles and the opening track. Is that song we heard at the start of the episode in Two Thousand Eighteen Ursula drops a really different record. It still sounds like FLAMENCO. But it's filled with electronic dance beats these really modern effects that you hear all over the billboard like auto tune like the underwater effect fact that Charlie dissect it a few upsets back Scott these really sultry. R&B Hooks and samples and actually one of the best illustrations of this change. Is the song affect album which is called L. career or Yelm cue for short and it's the song Baghdad. All right so what is she doing. She's pairing Spanish lyrics melody off of Crimea rivers. Justin timberlake umbrella timberlake exactly. Wow Wow what an insight and I feel like. We're going back her thirteen year old mine. It's like Flamenco and Justin timberlake bound together in this wonderfully unique package totally. It's with this album. Cue that we finally get a song called Pinson Chimera took good this sir report. I'm struck listening to this. How many of her vocal melodies like don't go in ways that I expect from listening to a lot of top forty pop? What I'm loving about this conversation already seeing how Rosalia like take so many of the sonic elements of mainstream pop? The music we've got like a beat we've got these electronic touches like you mentioned we've got swagger and intensity that you expect from pop star but then there these elements that are so surprising and one of those is the the melodies. They're not like I don't know we. We have to dig into this further but the the sound of voice in the melody she singing. They just don't do the if things I expect from. A lot of mainstream pop music totally and the thing that sticks out to me. You don't hear it as much in this song necessarily as you do that song. We started the episode with but like her voice. It's really soft but it drips with feeling a while back. We talked about Kim petrous right now she seems really earnestly it's like it's a totally different performance but another one that is like conveying emotion on a scale that just grabs you with every song birds. I we've listened to so far you get the sense that as soon as it's over she has like go sleep for five hours just because of the amount of energy and emotions she is expended ended. Really we're rewarding listening spirits because you've by contrast can just sit in your. You Know Sofa and get to listen to her do that. I had I do yeah. Yeah and that's exactly what you just named is what we're GONNA get into so extra spoke with somebody who knows a bit more about this than we do. Her name is Marcelo. Bell does and she's a contributing beating writer for the New York Times magazine. Marcella recently wrote a behemoth profile. I Elliott for the magazine. She's also a Flamenco fan herself and in the piece she talks about this Flamenco styling called and I think it holds the key to understanding what we're hearing in both of these songs when people ride about Flamenco they almost almost always read about dwindle in this almost fetish sized way because it is in some ways kind of mystical concept on September mystical experience when you talk about it with people who perform FLAMENCO and so part of my challenge when I was writing about it and trying to express what it is and talking to cheeky into Russa Leah about what it is is to find a way to express it's spiritual dimension without Fetish ising it and I think that it really comes down to this concept of emotional shnell authenticity. It's like as recently explained to me the way that an actor inhabits a role like if you the actor disappears disappears inside. The emotion of the wall with the actor is feeling is real anger real sorrow. It's not faked it and that that ability to get to that place where you're feeling this emotion in authentic way comes through the actor's performance mints and it also comes through in somebody's voice. What we're talking about is acting the performance of authenticity? Exactly which is the central and a lot of ways also like the the central compelling almost paradox of so much pop music. What do you mean by that in the sense? The performance of anticipation as what we get in. You know every Taylor Swift Song that we might not put her in next two rows Leah's having like similar sounds Sir styles that maybe there is something that connects those two which is like you get up there and you perform these deep emotions in a way that feels like you are experiencing them for the first time so this concept of the when they write this very convincing performance sort of like trying on a set of emotions and really. I'd like acting literally we're talking about acting. It's of course not Brasilia's invention at all like the greatest. FLAMENCO artists like Cameron and an artist's diversely was particularly influenced by Woman called La Nina de las P. Mace Marcela also mentioned in her piece. They are famous for their interpretation of twenty for their ability to convince yes you. When they're singing of the emotional experience contained within the some and Rosalia? She may not have invented it but like she is a master at this. You heard it like. She's in. She has incredible control of her vocal range. And I don't mean not just in the notes that she can sing. I mean not in the way that she manipulates her voice and the way that she employs. Melissa which you've talked about a bunch of before Melissa being The the practice of singing multiple musical pitches over over a single syllable and I do. I mean I love this word Dwayne Day without wanting to take it out of its specifically typically Fomenko context. I think it's a really powerful way to describe that emotion you get in many musical experiences an emotion which is at the outer limits of our technical Nicole vocabulary because when it comes to sing not just about like what pitches or what rhythm someone is seeing. That actually like how they're singing. That's when our technical vocabulary starts to fail. That's where it term liked. Wendy can step in to fill the void which is really awesome. Yes when I was talking to. Marcela like an in reading reading the peace. Like I remember having this moment of tripping upon a word that I needed so badly needed when I'm talking about music I often find I run into the limits of my vocabulary. You know we talk a lot about music. That sounds warm. Like what does warm sound like. We're sort of subbing in words words. That don't actually do a sufficient job to describe what we're talking about and just one of those terms like I'm so grateful I know about now because it gives gives a name to exactly what you were just saying. And it's wild to me to think about all of this because we talk you and Charlie talk so much about what pop artists and producers are doing underneath the performance to bring you into the music and songs like this feel like a wild joyride that you wanna listen to again again and again and here's this flamingo. Train pop singer. Who is doing that with this theory? Classic Schon Rhys Specific Technique. That is it's it's like happening. Under our ears Marcella said two things about recently a singing. That really stuck with me. She talked about the act of singing so that it sounds like like. She's pulling her heart out through her mouth. Wow right so good so good snaps to Marcela Saleh like I wish it similarly right there. Yeah that is and when I read that that's like that's exactly where my head was on that dog. Walk Right like I felt like I was witnessing and emotional. Performance points that I hadn't heard before the other way she talks about. LEIA's voice is dancing between strength and vulnerability which I think is spot on and gets at the very heart of what is so so convincing about this that the trajectory of her voice mixed life. Yeah so many pop songs are just this snapshot in time of the moment. You're feeling young. Post breakup prepre cut like moments of empowerment moments of sadness in tension and drama. and listening to Orissa Leah. Song is like following along watching someone like rise and fall and rise and it is a total dance and the actual quality of her voice is dance between strength and vulnerability like she's got this really strong cortone that's whispered almost and Both of those lines for Marsala I think are such a perfect encapsulation of Wedneday and give if you like even further language to describe this thing. You're hearing. There's a really specific moment in that first songs that I think like is this dance between strengthen vulnerability and I want to zero in on it You can almost hear the recording engineer like grabbing the microphone and be Whoa. WHOA gotta pull that back because otherwise Rosalia is just GonNa like blow out your speakers? Yeah I'm curious. Does any of this brings to mind another genre of music this concept of dwayne day and the emotional performance genre of music that explores the the notion of DNA and has stands between Strength Invulnerability playacting convincing emotional performances. Maybe taking on characters I like a Broadway musical getting. They're getting warmer klatten opera. All Roads Lead to you should have known to opera. When you're talking about vulnerability and strength there's like such a clear divide and opera between the rest Atif section gene which is very quiet and kind of spoken in the Aria which is like loud and intense and virtuosic hidden And this came up. In my conversation with Marcella. She talks to resilience instructor cheeky and this is her takeaway flamenco in opera. In some ways they are quite similar in the kind of vocal technical training that's required to perform each of them separately separately in the way that they value emotion in the voice. But what he said is inflammation We want the earth ear sound of the voice the less processed and pretty fine version of the voice very obvious comparison to be made there. The May keep talking and she finds that the cheeky really actually draws important line between FLAMENCO and opera and this way and obviously he's biased but he said opera is like applesauce and Flamenco is like the apple fresh picked from the tree with all the dust the and the crisp natural taste and that in Flamenco. You value every human sound in the vocal production. And you can hear that in Russell is music. There's sometimes she's just going on you know or she's going in you you hear. There's new attempt to erase those kind of little human grunts and sighs factor considered part of a valuable vocal vocabulary. That that you can use on your music. Wow I'm never gonNA forget that as long as I live. Opera is the applesauce. flamenco is the Apple Bravo. So you can hear all of that. I think pretty clearly in Russell. Es Rendition of a FLAMENCO. Classic called McKay the EGO. But she performed recently I bring all that up just to show you. It's not not just that versus innovating within flamenco within Papa. There are connections to be made to other very traditional genres that universally is really like bringing into the pop charts in a way that we haven't seen before so originally as performance of twenty and incorporating it into these very modern sounding songs. That's just one piece of how she's bringing Flamenco to pop. When we get back from the break we're gonNA take a slightly more rhythmic approach to all of this Are you struggling to sleep these days. Well well you're not alone one in three. US adults doesn't get enough sleep. And if you're not sleeping enough it can affect your cognitive functions functions during the day like learning problem solving and decision making. 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We've really been focused on the vocal qualities of Brasilia's voice and especially how expresses this flamenco concept of dwindle. But you made me a promise earlier in the episode that we were also going to talk about rhythm and like trying to break down why we get this rhythmically disorienting effects. When we listen to the Rosalia so help maybe you can help ground me here like is this also something that comes from the flamenco tradition? Well Short answer yes okay longer answer yes and good lick longer answers. So at the top of the episode we talked about the lack of predictability and her music Zik shifting under US and a lot of that has to do with how wrestling has manipulating the pace and the rhythms and her songs. And actually I'm I'm GonNa pull somebody else into this conversation. We recently had a listener. Right in about this. His name is Steve. Steve wrote us about the downbeat. In Piazza KAMEDA. He says the downbeat piano into mirror feels like shifts from under me. Could you please explain this phenomenon. I'd love to hear from you guys about it. Well Steve. We're GONNA try no promises promises. First off let's set some based here so we know what we're working with and I want to start with time signature her name. Can you give me like a music. Theory for Dummies version of what time signature is happily time signature is is a term we use interchangeably with meter. And I think actually meter is maybe the term I WANNA use. I like it because it has Part of its meaning in his very name meter like measuring like meters. How you measure pulse so in order to talk about meter we I need to talk about beat or pulse? Which is the idea that ninety nine point nine nine and on and on and on and on and then the nine percent of music that you'd hear like on the billboard charts will have some kind of underlying underlying pulse or beat some repeated ratio of rhythm that is usually kind of unchanging and in certain tracks Israeli made totally audible like for instance a lot of four on the floor house tracks? oops that aren't is literally the beat. The underlying pulse it makes sense. Is that for like dance music especially that this pulse would be really important. 'cause that kind of tells you how to move your body right right right. Not all music has pulse especially especially out of religious music doesn't necessarily uncles and that makes sense to it's more about lasts for dancing. You have more about focusing on the meaning of the words and in in fact maybe dancing would not be below the substance to that Gospel being a big on shore. So pulse beat like that's the underlying lying thing that's like the kind of the rhythmic grid of any song. Now if we go one level up there emerges question which is like how do you organize that underlying underlying pulse into like some kind of repeated. Set of beets phrase. Maybe exactly that's meter. That's time signature. It tells you how are you gonNA in Group. These underlying beats into repeating sets and the way that we tend to do this in modern popular music is in sets of four which is where we get four four or common time signature called because it's just so popular so is it. Is it all on feel then when you count out a time signature attention like how much of this are you listening to literally the way it feels when you count it out versus some sort of mathematical equation or is it somewhere in between that such a good question. I think different meters eaters like shape our perception of musical time in different ways and I think four four meter has become so prevalent. Because it's like in the sweet spot it gives you four beats with which you can like introduce a lot of rhythmic nuance and complexity. But it's not any longer than that. If you went up to five six or more it would start to like lose. Its coherence because you would. Your mind wouldn't be able to wrap around like hearing that many beats in a row before for you get a repetition right so like you. Can you know. Think think about meter is like shaping how you experienced musical temporarily and to beats is like that goes by really fast. That's what you use in like March like of John. Philip Sousa Stars and Forever March Phillips. Sousa three four. That's what you use in a lot of like waltz time signature is. It's a little a little longer than to beat. Set a time and has the sort of like circular whirling motion four four. That's nice you know evenly divisible measure. It's got that length. We were talking about that. Allows you to play around but also has that four beats just like evenly divisible regularity. That makes it like really ideal for a lot of different kinds of dance styles. Yeah four is the goldilocks porridge. That is just I like that analogy. And you mentioned this. Basically all pop though are hearing maybe say in the last like seventy years of popular music or perhaps even since the inception of popular music recorded popular music is in four is in common time. There are definitely smelly some notable exceptions to that rule. If you'll recall Kelly Clarkson's breakaway. That's in three four one. Two three one two three one two three one two one two three triple time. That's welts meter for sure you'll give it to me okay. Great Right Right breakaways not the only one Marvin Gaye here my dear Alicia keys Fallin Aretha Franklin's I never loved a man just a handful of the songs written in three or four songs stand out because our brain is so accustomed to hearing things in four four that when we here's something different. It's like wait a tick. What's going on here? It's only when you start to break out of traditional American pop music that you start working with some really funky stuff Did you by chance catch the time signature of Piazza to be totally transparent. I think that I do recognize it. But it's only because that listener steve that you mentioned earlier wrote us an email about this and so then I was like looking into it and it was kind of blowing my mind I think without his help. Thank you Steve. I wouldn't have been able to identify the meter of this. 'cause it like you said it's very disorienting. And kind of leaves you unmortgaged heard rhythmically right. So what Steve Points out from ourselves article that Song to Meera starts in twelve eight time And you were just saying it's it's tough to track In part because the phrase of twelve beats twelve seats in a phrase is a really long time to count and still be in the same phrase relative up to what we're used to hearing okay so the song starts in twelve eight. What is fat mutant? Let's actually just break it down and English. Yes a twelve eight as the time signature and it refers to a meter in which you have four beats and each of them are divided into sets of three so four times three equals US twelve this requiring to slightly more math than I anticipated. What's Kinda cool about? This is that you can see. It's not that different from four four times the same for four time we just is hurt in little. TJ's track F. N.. We still don't know what that stands for doing. funky nuggets okay eh Moving on and I'm sorry but there's a big difference because in four four time you divide each of the four main beats into two oh subdivisions whereas in twelve eighty divide each of the four beats into three that really expands the the length of each measure of each repeated needed group of beets. And that's part of what gives us the feeling when we listen to Rosalia like Whoa like where am I here. Hey trying to place ourselves in the song at Elise. It's like trying to find your way through a forest or something wait. I'm used to like city streets and all of a sudden I'm in this like wilderness as long so I want to really break this down to show you all of the levels on which Rosalie is operating. Because they are crazy crazy to me. Okay so I like. We just mentioned she's written. The song pm starts in twelve eight. Let's hear it encountered one four five six seven collect. Break Down Tony the. I'm really impressed. Because you don't have a in a music theory background. I do not unfortunately but you you just nailed that twelve eighth time signature and for those listening at home. I think the key here is to focus in on that moment Where you have this `electronic kind of like how do we describe the sound route? Yes a little electronic assume. That's going to be where you're GONNA WANNA start counting each time so you hear the Brown impound three three three four two three even harder because you were counting seventy nine hundred eleven right. I was going all the way. So for starters. We're working in twelve eight. The phrase is really long. It's twelve counts so when we're used to hearing a pop song just counting to foreign starting over again. We have like two more of those wars wars to go. And then we're at the end of the phrase. Yeah and it gives it that sort of like journey feel again that we were talking about earlier. We don't really know where this is going. We think we're going to be done. And then it's not done. Really really lends itself to that sense of unpredictability that we were talking about. Exactly the second thing happening here is. It's an amalgamated rhythm. It's giving you a feeling of playing in one time. I am signature with another one almost playing out underneath it so so it's it's sort of like the simultaneous lapping of time signatures with a beat accent. That is shifting in real time. So in the Peace Marcella says many of the songs have shifting beat accents are known as amalgamated rhythms which can sound sound like fused meters three four for example meshed with a two four. I love this because this is terminology. That is new to me amalgamated ridden. This is feels like very specific to the world of flamenco issue. This next statement with the caveat that I may be misinterpreting this showing to go hit the books but I think part of what makes it even kind of further disorienting. Is that while you can establish that twelve eight rhythm that we just counted handed off. There's a a moment in that meter where you expect like affirmed downbeat to kind of tell you like. Yeah you're feeling this correctly but you don't get it but it doesn't just get silence and I think that's really for years at least that's like a really weird moment. Yeah I think that's what Steve was identifying I find that's definitely my I didn't know that's what I was hearing when I first listened to the song. Let's listen to the to that First Section again in L. counted out and you'll you'll here on what would be the seventh. Beat where you would expect to have like a little bass drum may be reinforcing like told in your hand and saying like yeah. You're you got this out all these triplets. There's nothing and there's a moment that's for for a musician like myself. That's really feels like you're falling off a cliff right. Where did that go all right? Let's give a try one two five six seven eight nine point six six seven eight nine ten eleven to four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve and there's nothing on that seven. Yeah I can hear you emphasizing a seven to really bring it out but it's not being reflected in the music. Yeah it's a very canny rhythmic move because again it. Like kind of just takes you out of your safety zone. Yeah speaking and I love that language that Marcella uses that Steve Uses of that beat shifting out from under you. It's like you expect it to be there. And then all of a sudden it's not it's like trying to steppingstone that's falling below the water like so unnerving so gloom so and he needs to be said like so hard to do as a musician. Because you have to internalize that rhythm so that that you don't get thrown off and like go with the Bass Drum which is really a decoy bass drums and like trying to throw you off right. You have to keep heap your internal rhythm so sharp that you don't get fooled by that decoy base. If music theory where a game. We're leveling up here. This is seal team six team sex right right. That's shifting pulse. That shifting beat like to me it's swinging right like it. undulating waves undulate like waves. Like move in and come out it and move in almost on top of each other. And that's what lends itself to that unpredictability that we've been talking about that feeling of like I don't know where my footing is And I love of it so on top of all of that. Here's what Piazza into media is doing. It starts in twelve eight and then we move into a different time signature altogether other back to twelve eight back to the different time signature. Back to twelve eight and I'll show you what I mean. One four four five a six and then we're back to twelve eight again. Damn Meghan Leuven come in with the metric science. I in I'm trying. So which is doing their she is switching back and forth between twelve eight and ten eight which is unheard of in popular music. I hope it goes without that saying it's unheard of you know. Twelve to begin with is unexpected. Yeah this is. This is like if if doing that amalgamated. Twelve eight rhythm with the dropout. Halfway through on the seventh beat was like seal team. Six levels are musical assassinations. And this is like Jason Bourne level like Yeah Rosalia Jason Bourne. Same person for sure it gives you. What does that twelve eight to ten eight? Do It gives you like a power dynamic all of a sudden there's a push rush and a pulse a push an Paul You SORTA got the twelve eight filling in and then ten eight and you get to like you. Don't even have time to take to catch your breath before the twelve twelve times ensure comes in again and that to me. I mean all of this. The themes that we're talking about in so much of this is like swagger control bat that lack of predictability that leaves us feeling like she's driving the car and we're just along for the ride and this to me is just like one more example of how she does that. Megan this is so cool. You're pushing all of my musical logical buttons here. We've talked about the the sound of Rose Lia's voice how comes from. I'm this flamenco tradition of DNA. We've dug deep into the weeds of her metric manipulations. And how those like pleasantly disorienting Orient Us as consumers of western pop music. This is very comprehensive. But is there anything else we need to know about Rosalia Yeah So rosalie is surging. Popularity has not been without backlash Marcella writes in her piece that in Spain. There's really legitimate criticism from Spanish Romani Gypsies who have criticized her for using words of Colo- or Colo which is Romani dialect and for kind if like trying on these pronunciations. That are not her own. That are not of her own sort of like upbringing and background for appropriating. The stylings better are not hers. They're actually even Catalan nationalists. Who are arguing that she is using her musical platform to win support for their independence movement? So it gets like actually quite political in Spain in a way that I think pop music rarely does in the United States and then in the US there's an accusation of Latin x appropriation. That Marcella writes. It's about by critics that Brasilia European. Should not be up for Latin music. Awards Yeah Marcella. Had a really pointed. Take on all of this. I don't get the criticisms. Criticisms are warranted at all. Let's take the Latin x criticism song that she got best Latin for at the VM. As is the Eric Tone Song. Right has a reggae tone. beat the beat of record. Tom From the Caribbean. The Caribbean is part of Latin America. So so you saying that. A song with a Latin American tradition can't win best Latin. Or you saying that somebody who's Spanish can't perform perform a song with a beat comes for Latin America and I think that that argument it's tremendously shortsighted with the gypsy. Appropriation Question I. I have a bit more sympathy because the truth is that during the dictatorship of Franco in Spain he tried to to wipe out Gypsies and specifically. He adopted Flamenco as an anthem for his nationalistic policies. While at the same aim Trimbe trying to erase the Gypsies role in creating flamenco. So I can understand that. There are some historic stork. Swore points there that have real validity. Don't think that we're trying to steal flamenco music from Gypsies. ABC's and I don't think that she was trying to appropriate Gypsy culture when she used some Andalusian pronunciations. I don't think it's a fair accusation really. I'm glad we dug into the more controversial aspects of Rowsley career. Now that we've both Discussed those and her music in depth. I guess I want to bring the two together does does this change the way you listened to Rosalia inevitably yes. I think it's our duty as listeners to have ears wide open and when we listen to music by our favorite artists received new information about that music especially only when it comes to accusations of appropriation. We should always be willing to hear that. In general you know when I wait until critique of artists it kind of just makes me WanNa know more about that artists and in this case this whole convert all of the conversation surrounding were Selena and potential appropriation. And the way that she is like all of her training in the fact that she hasn't necessarily you know she wasn't born into the space. She chose the space. It just makes me want to know more about FLAMENCO. It doesn't make me. I'm not want to lessen TERRESA Leah Meghan the says been so much fun I mean. First of all you've indulged my passion for metric manipulation. Listen I mean that I can't thank you enough for that but then beyond that you'd like turned me onto this musical tradition that I have always been sort of dimly aware of but never we're really explored that much and it's it's like Rosalia is an artist. I've been listening to a lot and now I think I have a deeper understanding of why I'm enjoying enjoying it so much and I hope our listeners feel the same way can we maybe start making a playlist of like some flamenco tracks or something. I'm so glad you asked. We're going to put together a playlist. Actually GONNA ask them. Friends of the show including Marcella. Who are more familiar with this music? than than we are contribute to play less and folks have suggestions for who should be on it. Sunday marae switched on in pop is produced by me nate. Sloan Charlie harding in this episode was produced bear very own Megan Lubin. I WANNA get Super Special. Shout out to a few people bowl I steve of writing in about this With exceptional timing right as we were in production for this episode. I WANNA give huge. Thanks to what Marcella Valdez of the New York. Times magazine for her time for her incredible wealth of knowledge but Brasilia flamenco opera. I so enjoyed our conversation and I want to give a special shout out to the Fater Music magazine who's been on the Rosalia

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Terry Gilliam - 'The Man Who Killed Don Quixote'

Awards Chatter

1:15:06 hr | 1 year ago

Terry Gilliam - 'The Man Who Killed Don Quixote'

"Hi everyone and thank you for tuning into the three hundred. Eighteenth episode of awards chatter the Hollywood reporter's awards podcast. I'm the host Scott Feinberg and my guest. Today is one of the most eccentric fearless admired tired and influential talents of the last half century Terry Gilliam more than a half century ago. Gilliam became the only American member of Monty Python on which the New York Times has called quote the troop that through the rules of sketch comedy out the window and made television safe for absurdity close quote and which the Guardian has labeled labeled quote the most influential comedy group in the entire history of the world close quote. He eventually became a major filmmaker as well described by Salman Rushdie the as one of the few really spectacular original talents in the cinema nowadays close quote and by The New York Times as a wily inventor who who also serves as an analyst and evangelist of the imagination close quote and whose works represent quote and out of bounds visual imagination a tendency to spiral wildly off topic and a fractious wit close quote all of the above have been on display in films such as nineteen seventy five's landmark classic Monty Python the Holy Grail which Gilliam co-directed with Terry Jones nineteen seventy seven's jabber walkie has solo directorial debut. Nine hundred eighty one time bandits which which JK rollings has said partially inspired her Harry Potter books. Nine thousand nine hundred is Brazil for which he received a best original screenplay Oscar nomination nine hundred ninety one the the Fisher King for which he received a best director Golden Globe Nomination Nine thousand nine hundred twelve monkeys. for which Brad Pitt received an acting Oscar nomination two thousand signs the imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus best known as Heath Ledgers partially completed final film and most recently the man who killed Don Quixote project with which Gilliam infamously grappled for nearly thirty years before finally getting it made with Adam driver as it star it premiered at the two thousand eighteen in Cannes film festival hit select. US theaters in two thousand nineteen and is now streaming for free on crackle and for a fee on Amazon Prime Youtube Youtube Google play and Voodoo over the course of our conversation at the officers of the Hollywood reporter the seventy nine year old. Who has been recognized with three special BAFTA awards one in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine for the graphics animations and Monty Python's flying circus another in nineteen eighty eight for Monty Python's outstanding British contribution to cinema and another in two thousand nine recognizing lifetime achievement opened up about how he wound up doing comedy in the first place with a bunch of crazy Brits what led him to walk away from Monty Python in and shift is focused to directing films on his own? Why throughout much of his career as director he kept returning to the man? Who Killed Don Quixote and why it took so so long to come together why he feels? Imagination is so important and revisited in so many of his films plus much more and so without further ado. Let's go to that conversation. Thank you so much for doing this. Great to have view. We always begin on this podcast with just a few basics. Where were you born and raised in? What is your folks? Do for a living well. I was born and raised in the countryside. Outside of Minneapolis Minnesota. My Dad was a carpenter. My mother was a virgin and I don't know why I got this Messiah Complex. The at now. What really surprised me in in prepping for this? I had no idea that religion had been such a big part of your childhood to the extent that you you were on track to be a missionary at one point. Yup I went through university. Occidental College on a Presbyterian scholarship ownership and I was my plan was to be a missionary. I thought oh I'm blessed because Had good parents. I got well educated and I thought my job was to gotten do good in the world. So what we're Roy to go. Well it sounds though like people. Should you know often we. We talked to artists who've these torture childhoods and everything sounds like. You're pretty happy pretty popular. So where does this subversive Sri come from. I don't know because I used to say it was really abused as a child. My parents loved me I I wanted to be artists and artists has to suffer so I think there was something in me that had this really easy ride through high school in college and everything I went out made life difficult for myself. You've made for them so I guess one of the things that might have. That sounds like it certainly did shape you a lot in your early years was mad magazine. Why was that so important to you? Growing more precise it's bad comex. On mad comics was Harvey Kertzman and the greatest collection of cartoonist soil. That ever seen and mad it was so funny because they were parodying things. They were very clever. They were political even and yet by using comic strips or television programs or films and playing with those tropes and surprise us. Make US laugh at the absurdity and Incense Harvey Kirkman always had a problem with authority and so he taught me to have a problem with authority as well and in fact when you went off to Occidental. I know that you had to have your official major. I think I read was political science but in fact how are you spending a lot of your time. Wasn't it sort of imitating I. I was using the I was imitating Joseph Goebbels. Let's be honest about it because I was head. Cheerleader also. A group of took over the Arts magazine Literary magazine and turn it into a humor magazine and we just played the audience that was school when we ran one of one of my friends as for student body President and ran a huge campaign. The biggest one. And we're just taking the piss out of uh student politics and you just discovered 'cause we did this thing to the freshman. It was my senior year. And there's a great Greek Camphor Theater of an Occidental pendle and we created a whole kind of Nuremberg Rally for the freshman to inculcate the history. The whole background around the university. They were all lies. Everything we said was a lie but the weird thing is not the freshman buy into the allies but by the end of the year the seniors had already had also bolt into the lies. And it was one of those shocking moments if goebbels also had a sense of humor would have been very different. We had the sense of humor but the big lie is so dangerous and now after all those years come back to America where the lie is constant. The mouth of the Orangemen right. That's right well to come back to Kirkman for a moment so you're doing your own magazine while in college but also I guess like most college students thinking what do I do next and my sense was that the ultimate dream would be. Can I go to work for Cartman. So what did you say to him. And what did he say back to you. Well while we were doing the magazine still in university we were communicating and he was sending really nice comments about what we were doing so graduating with no idea. I had no plan. I had nothing and I wrote him saying getting. I'd like to come to New York and he says don't bother this no work. There's nothing here. Am I when somebody advises me not to do something. I came to New York and I just happened that his assistant editor is number two was quitting. I walked into the job. Brett literally. Literally unbelievable wearing Only California cloves and the winter then took off in New York. And I froze to death. Gotcha so now. Suddenly you are working with surrounded by your heroes because this was now at help right. This is no longer mad. But it's the same brain. Trust the same team of people. Yeah so why then not that long. After did you decide. I'm going to Europe. The magazine Failed and suddenly I was out of a job and so the Vietnam War was going full blast. I had joined the National Guard and I decided I wanted to escape America. I WANNA go to Europe and so I sent a letter her to the military to the army saying that is being transferred to help magazines European office. Ah Off I went. I hitchhiked around Europe for four months and I ended up in Rhodes on the isle of Roads where my ex roommate was now living and and I then decided. That's where I was living even though I returned to America. But the army didn't know that they kept communicating to me via the Our roads well so somebody who I believe you met in New York but then reenters the picture in London. Is John cleese. Why'd why did you guys? I mean in New York. What was he doing in help magazine? We did these FUNAFUTI. which are the Romance magazine? Especially in Latin America do the they're like comic books except their photographs of real people doing things. But it's the same idea. You speak with balloons. Which are committee little puff of smoke and and we did this and I was always looking for actors who had worked for fifteen dollars a day and I bumped into this group of English comedians? Who are in New York in a little theater in the village and they were? They're kind of trying to following on on from beyond the fringe. Peter Cook Dudley Moore John. Jonathan Miller and Alan Bennett okay. And they hadn't been successful like beyond the fringe so they're playing this little theater but there was John cleese. Graham Chapman and John as always stands out out from crowd. I got him to be in a few medi which turned out to be very prescient because it was about a man who falls in love with his daughters Barbie. Abby now actually superbeets the relationship. I don't know how we didn't show that part but John subsequently became good friends doing Out and eventually after travelling around Europe I came back to America and then I decided to go to England. Yeah and John was by then very successful on television and when you were now arriving in England what were some of the jobs that you had before you and John. You're now mutual friends started to do things together. You had some jobs basically when I got there My it girl friend was she got this job as an editor of a weekly magazine and I was the director of the magazine. I was also doing being illustrate cartoons for various magazines in Europe and in America so I was making a living but I was more and more tired of Oh big stuck which is a pen and paper and I got hold of John and said. Can you introduce me to somebody in television with a goal of doing doing what though were you now looking to. It would still be animation or drying or it would be animation entered my life. I was still cartoonist. But I made contact with his one. Produce who was producing children's comedy show written and starring Might Pale and Terry Jones hunts and Eric idle amongst a couple others and I managed to sell him some written sketches and he forced them on those others. Yeah this was called. Do not adjust your set or this would so so now do you remember. I've I've read about something at Teddington studios where you guys all. I really really crossed paths. Obviously you and John had known each other going into that. But what do you remember. There was something about a flamboyant coat. I had been traveling around Europe with great big sheepskin coat which then painted and so because I painted rather nicely and and I arrived to the studio and Eric idle jumped out because Eric has always had an eye for the exotic and the new in the fashionable and I apparently with my long hair and my incredible coat attracted his attention so we became buddies. What I remember that first meeting was in distance in dark corner was two little guys who conquered down their territorial people might Palin Terry Jones looking very road dental what is he doing? It's somebody's coming into this is going on anyway. I was accepted by Eric eventually. The others and one of the things that happened. I did a cartoon tune for an animated cartoon because I had never done it before but I knew the principals and so that that first one with the code at Teddington Addington. What was the reason you were there? Were they that was no because they see checking well. No I was there because I'd met this producer looser and he bought these sketches from me these written schedules and so come on down it was it was that and they're my sketches. Just were forced upon them and so they were 'cause they'd already basically been doing all the The what they were doing and now the feeling of the producer was it would be good not to have some animated cut aways well. Actually it wasn't. It was stranger than that. Because I don't think I did anything for that first series with of do not not a justice but he the producer went onto another show. Cold wave ways to make you laugh and I was hired as the resident cartoonist. I would sit there and do caricatures pictures of the guests as they're coming on and there was this one week where amount named Dick Vosper had recorded all of these terrible putting links from this. Dj On on radio and they didn't know what to do with this material. And so I said well I'd like to make an animated film and they just assume I knew what I was doing which I didn't but I and I had two weeks and four hundred pounds to be able to do it. The only way I could do was was cutting out things and moving them around very crude way. Nobody'd ever seen that in England now so overnight I became an animator and did. That must've even surprised you that this was now a big focus of yours. I mean you enjoyed prior to that drawing but this is a long way from just drawing right. I mean it was like at at the time it was just things were happening. I didn't think about what it man long-term we're short term. It was just something new to do and it was the speed lead with which I was recognized as some unique incredible artists that appeared from nowhere. It's amazing I mean I was looking I think it was. This must have been just shortly thereafter. Once you guys got up and going with Monty. Python's flying circus in nineteen sixty nine a BAFTA special award not for the program but for you specifically for the graphics. It's an animation so clearly you're standing out but I guess that obviously begs the question. How do we get from? Do not adjust your set to Monty Python on the flying circus will basically on this one program with which Eric idle involved. We've basically making laugh. I done this animation so there was another series of of not just yourself so I started doing more animation. So now we've got Eric Mike and Terry and myself as a little gang hanging and John was offered the BBC off. John Show and he wanted to work with Palin and Mike said well I've got three other friends friends and so ended up with John and Graham who had been writing together and now the four of us came on and there was his show on BBC and they gave us. I think it was seven shows and we sat around came up with name. And you've you've said about the name I I read the first people that came to see it. Thought they're coming to see a circus right. I mean it's people had no. How long did it take before people started to get into this? I I think it probably is about three or four shows. At the beginning they had the audience had no idea what they were watching except there was clearly some funny stuff in there the the BBC didn't know really what they had. I remember they actually pulled. I think was the fourth show was pulled off the air to be replaced by the international horse shot of the year now interesting. That was in my wife who loves HORSES WITH WATCHING IT. And in the middle of this on dressage event they were plagued this music and it was the a Lotta opt out. It was the John. Philip Sousa Liberty Bell which was the python theme. Chris it's like you couldn't get rid of pipe at once. It was allowed on the airwaves. So you're primarily working on flying circus behind the scenes doing the animation Asian. But I I mean you would sometimes be in sketches and I guess I just wonder you know the generations that have come after in but equally as entrance by what well you guys did. Can you pinpoint what made you guys so good. I don't really now accept. Everybody had been writing for television for a few years. Because which is and they were all good and I was doing what I was doing which was deemed to be unique new. All of these things and it was basically six guys entertaining tasting themselves. If we laughed at it that was all. We didn't have managers. There were no producers. Who are saying? You must do this. You have to go for this audience. We just just did what we thought was as funny as we could be and it clicked will now. You're so you're the one American in the group. Is there a difference between Wean American humor and British owner. Because I know that you guys probably starting with I guess and now for something completely different than seventy one which I think. He's just compilation of the first two seasons of flying circus. Here's a first film and it didn't go over particularly well in America and I don't think you guys were ever as anywhere near as popular in America. It's certainly have very passionate followers here but is that because there's different senses of humor. I think there or is I think what I like about British humor it's more self deprecating. The British left themselves not at other Americans are good at laughing at others and but the reality is the film on was I believe Columbia. Did the film and was really was a compilation of the first two series. But they didn't understand it and in fact they said if we put the twit of the year sequence in there there wouldn't in guaranteed the success of the movie. Well we put it in because it was funny and of course they guaranteed the lack of success of the movie Columbia. Did it sold really badly. We and the states I mean in England popular which was embarrassing old material as far as we they were concerned but it did lead to people in America getting wind of us which then eventually led to on NPR PR. Yes and in fact a lady name Nancy Lewis who is pr lady for Buddha records. She spotted pipe hyphen early on loved it. She contacted eventually. It was a mound name. Wrong devillier in Dallas. NPR Station there. Fair and interesting enough. He was the main man in the studio. Was the guy named Bob Wilson. who was the father of Owen? Luke Wilson Bizarre Anyway. Dallas they did the leading for getting on television they get eleven various stations together and went on and boom. It took off really fast. I remember we thin a very short while there were demonstrations stations I think it was in Des Moines Iowa. It was pulled off for some reason and they were. They were on the streets March so we obviously touched a nerve in America America. That needed touching. Now you've set an in a number of places that for you the ultimate dream even going back to when when you're living in L. A.. And sort of right in the backyard of the film industry. You wanted to be a filmmaker. Why was it you and Terry Jones as opposed to John and somebody else that got the chance to direct correct monty python and the holy grail? The others were smarter is words. They knew that to direct. The group is just a dog's body. It's chess a lot of work and tear it. I had been moaning about the quality of the TV shows. You know we just knew we could do it better. And so so we just suggested anybody named Terry should be able to vote and to direct and the others agreed so we became the directors. And does it complicate things. When suddenly people who theoretically are equals now some have to answer to the others? There was that an especially in my I part of it because just working with pieces of paper up until that moment I was particularly articulate in the use of the English language and the others were very impatient. And there's Terry directed together which we began the process in complete agreement with it a week or two we were making in two different films. It became more and more bizarre. We then chose to have the first assisted the common voice but then suddenly we realize he's. He's making a film. So Terry basically took over the verbal side red directing and I took over the visuals of Iraq down. Now you guys were in Scotland for some of this. Could you ever have imagined you know little village there that this thing that you you guys are doing would have the impact in the life that it's had I mean what did it just seemed like an expanded version of what you've already been doing. We were excited. We just we had a good script and the performances are always good at that was hit. We were able to make a movie. The big failure is is the money for the film was led Zeppelin. Pink Floyd Elton John Several record companies and we were supposed to be a tax loss for them. The film was a big success. Made money buggered. There there was some other situation like that where it was supposed to write all right off. I think I'd heard Marty even years earlier as a similar. But it's what a crazy thing where people good didn't know what they had. So meanwhile I guess as that was seventy five within two two years year now directing solo for the first time Jabber Walkie and I know that you were not thrilled with the fact that the way was sort of promoted in some circles was monty. Python's Jabber walkie. When in fact this was your escape right? That was my attempt escape. I mean I guess you know you still have Palin and Terry Jerry Jones in there but were you already thinking beyond Monty Python. Yea because I felt holy grail with Python. Ray were. It was comedy. That's all it was supposed to be romance. No action adventure. No it was comedy that was the key to the whole thing and I just thought I wanted to play in other areas. And that's how ridiculous naive I was. Then I thought I could make medieval film with Michael Palin Terry Jones myself involved and it wouldn't be considered considered to be a film and of course it was sold as a pipe themselves. Well where it really was. Successful him was in countries that had never ever seen monty python because the reviews of course not as funny as holy grail. That's correct but I'm not arguing with that. It wasn't trying to be right. Well now they get. Get you back in for life of Brian which is in seventy nine and talk about really baiting controversy to go after organized. Religion is always going to have that effect you you chose I guess. Was it a decision not to direct this next one because it had been a little bit arduous with the first one. Yeah and having done one on my own is I. Don't WANNA GONNA be a double headed director and Terry was there as I decide. I actually decide. I'll just design the film. I will look after the visual side of it and not get involved in the day to day directing of the others. Who didn't want to wear uncomfortable costumes? They didn't want to have bears. They were just ridiculous Jabber walkie. I've suddenly was working with real actors and great actors and they would do I ask them to do unlike the pipe. Okay now you then go and do time bandits which I found a very interesting to learn was was almost an accidental film because in in fact it was sort of the fallback plan after you tried to pitch Brazil. I mean suddenly having establish yourself as a as an independent director separate threat from Python. Now you WanNa do what you want to do. And it wasn't an easy sell ever right for Brazil. It was what was interesting is as a result of what. What was our film? Jesus Life Brian was basically the beginning of handmade films. which was George Harrison? Who put up the money for life? Brian we teamed up so as Python and a beetle and and we had our own company and Georgia's manager became our manager. Now it was him are trying to get Brazil true and and I was having no no not so I just went back when we can and said all right. I'm going to make a film about a kid. And then because because I didn't take a kid could sustain the whole movie let Serano with people the same height dwarfs and off we went and I got Mike Palin involved and we we knocked script quite quickly and Dennis light that idea because he saw his Oh snow white seven dwarves the George Harrison do holy songs. It'll be a musical that's what I wanted to do You know and in fact you were imagining I think trilogy right at one point no the trilogy Gee came later once I obeyed time and then I had made barren spells. Then I said it was. The fourth part of a trilogy was the next one. I was doing some job but there are there. was there not something though. Where a studio initially that was going to support this was oppose? It was suddenly to we love the idea but no doors right. That actually came. Yes that actually was going on. This is no dwarfs and I said didn't you see wizard of Oz remember and it became ridiculous because there was that actually came later after the film was a big success despite despite all their fears. 'cause it was turned down by every studio after we the script is sent out. They didn't want to know about it. George Harrison an guaranteed the financing finish film was turned down by every studio. We ended up with the smallest the mini of the majors which is ABC embassy and they hadn't had a success in ten years and that success been the graduate but they had a machine nri and so basically George guaranteed the Princeton advertising and we went out and we went to number one and we sat there for weeks. Nobody could believe what is happening. And now suddenly there's more of a receptive audience for the idea of Brazil. Not exactly what happened. Next was interesting interesting because now I was an a list director overnight and I can't remember which might have been Fox. They hit a film script called enemy mine and this was their big one a list film and I was now an a list director. So that's what I WANNA do. They offered me and I just didn't like the script and they still. So what do you really want to do them like this other thing called Brazil and I think that was the reason teamed up with Arnold Mill. Sean who was just starting wording out a he'd already done once upon a time in America and King of comedy and we just ran around town one year and we managed to get twentieth century Fox and universal bidding for it so one America the rest of the world and suddenly we're off and we made Brazil now that in-between time ban is which is eighty one in Brazil. which is eighty-five was the sort of winding down of python with the meaning of life in one thousand nine hundred three you have yes? I think joke that this was the first time you really took flack for going over budget because you're animation which opens the film was even though there wasn't necessarily a specified. The budget was getting expensive but it was the last thing that you guys did together. There had been the Hollywood bowl thing in eighty two. Obviously a couple of partial reunion sense. But but it sounds like since life O'Brien moving towards the meaning of life. There had been some growing apart and I just wonder if you can pinpoint what that was about. I'm not sure if there really was. We just didn't come up with what we thought was a good idea. I think everybody yes. There's a point with a group when everybody everybody wants to show the world that they as an individual have some worth and and that was happening. We're pulling different. There have been other films couric had done some Mica Don Juan. I wouldn't say the group is falling apart but it just wasn't the same kind of chemistry but nevertheless we manage took a script that was pretty good and I actually think it's maybe the sum of the parts is not as great as individual parts of the film but it has some the best work we've ever done in and out it went and I. I was getting tired of animation. I didn't want to be an animator anymore and I'd written this thing the other thought. Well that's just an animated film and I said no I want live action of him and so I had my own little studio in the main studio I had my old stage age and crew and nobody took it seriously what I was doing. And what was it ended up being cribs and privileges Surinan rather other like before I'd worked with old people and dwarves now I went would work with really old people and give them their moment to be. Rowing can piratical article and we did it and of course it was logger them. I had originally intended because it was just the way the story told. Oh and the other said you've got to keep cutting it you gotta it's too long. It will work in the film and they were right because it's a different rhythm than the rest of the film and out of utter a frustration. Because I had reached a point not gonNA cut anymore out of this so we'll just remove it from the main film and it'll be short. You see the movie and then later you're on the short cubs in and invades the movie so we ended up with something even more interesting and it's kind of like so much of what I've done is is the result of things not going the way you wanted to make them. So you're forced to come up with another solution which is often better than I originally accidents. Absolutely all right so now. Brazil is finally coming together but I want to just establish that's far out idea for a movie and and to the state of watching You know as a as a mind trip my understanding was that prior to becoming part of Python. You'd had a few nine to five sort of jobs jobs where you were not happy in them and you couldn't see what it would do to. You may be over the course of a lifetime to be dealing with bureaucracy and all all of that nonsense so I've heard that that was inspiration but that also something an image sort of came to you while you were way back with Jabber walkie. So what was the actual impetus for are Brazil. That's hard to even remember but it was a lot of frustration. It was about several things it was also somebody in a bureaucracy Chrissy and somebody who chooses not to take responsibility to avoid responsibility and the Peter Principle. Does that still apply to people. Understand where the Peter Principle was the idea that people get promoted to a position within a corporation. where the no good so? They're they're stuck at at that level of being no good so corporations are run by the majority of people. Not being good at the job doing so. That intrigued me. I was at the same time reading about which hunts in the Middle Ages and then are very aware of terrorism. Going the bottom Meinhof group in Germany the Red Brigade and Klay and a nightside lies again that in South America people were being arrested put in prison and having to pay for their time imprison which was exactly what was happening during the witch trials in the sixteenth century. This all is just spinning around in my head and I sat down with Chuck Alverson. who had co wrote Jobber Walker with me and we worked on it for a bit and that didn't go anywhere and I had about ninety four ninety eight pages ages of stuff and it was a story and reached a stop? I got involved with UNIMIL Sean. And he said well have you ever thought another rider and somebody. Nobody said Tom Stop Part. Tom a genius with with words in me pretty good with pictures and and so. Tom Got to work and he took the material that I have written. He made it so much better he just is top stop bar. That's why and that was hit a script and all went now. How does one you know? Often I know studios they want our Gimme your one-sentence give me your log. UGH liner your. How the hell do you describe what Brazil is in a sentence badly? That's how I couldn't really do. It was because House I was deemed to be an a list director and and this project Ayla stretch director what to do. We didn't understand it but he was a director. must get it. It's kind of. It's like that and Sean was at the height of his ability to calm. People aren't ends brilliant and so this combination of all of this and we got Tom Stoppard so these are all things that I say. How can you say no to this house? Another thing that I'm sure came up as a question. I know you guys were. The movie came out in eighty five. But you're working on it in eighty four which is not an insignificant year what was the title originally. And why did it become what it became. It was originally nine thousand nine hundred eighty four and a half it was because phillies atlas. What am I most important films served so nine hundred eighty four and a half seemed like a cute thing but then Michael Radford managed to get quicker that we did and he was shooting in the same locations we were using but his film got before and it was four so he can't use that again? Another thing for people that are just always blown away by your visual nuances of your movies in this case. Obviously there's always a lot of things but one thing that was interesting to read was that paths of glory was a big one especially with these tracking shots at the beginning of the movie of all movies. I mean how has global passer boy was one of those movies has just changed. My view of what movies can or cannot be. I remember I was like fourteen years old. It was in the middle of the San Fernando Valley and and it was a Saturday morning matinee time where all the parents had dumped their kids and I was in there and puzzled Roy came on and I just I was blown away by it and it was the first time I was really aware of the camera doing things his own doubts. And so that became the tracking rocking shots. Through the Ministry of Information. With all the Clark's pool as simple as that and as if you put Pazar boy next to Fritz. Lang's metropolis now. We're getting close to the movie I wanted to make and German expression is. It was very important to me. Well I think with this point. We would be remiss to not bring. Bring up a guy who you've collaborated with. I think as many times as anyone this spanning one thousand nine hundred five with Brazil through this most recent film and guys having a pretty great year overall Jonathan Pryce. How did you guys find each other? But it was very funny. I found Jonathan. It was some screening of the film home and he had just done comedians and it was play and then it was on television and I was just blown away how terrifying lying and funny and just great piece of work in Jonathan was brilliant and I just had to be sitting behind in the cinema and I said hello and that was it now. I had done screen tests with various people give names but who were more appropriate for the part as written and Jonathan and he had just played. Martin Luther in a film he had put on weight he he had shaved his head with a tonsure and I did a screen test with them and my wife Maggie. Who doesn't make up on several films? She had one of titles blonde wigs and we stuck on Jonathan's head I did a screen test with them at. He was utterly brilliant. Of course I showed it art and bill shown my producer Surti said you must be joking and I said as the Jonathan or Novia that was quite a quite a run. I think this this was the fourth this year with with diarrhea. So the one thing that I think I it literally has been turned into a book by Jack. Matthews Hughes formerly of the L. A. Times was the drama that then ensued behind the scenes and people may not appreciate the the back the level of back and forth. I mean there was some stuff where I think you yourself recognized we gotta regroup to keep this under budget and everything and you put a pause on things in the middle for few weeks and it's fine but then when it was done you and universal at that point said Sheinberg and looser men basically had a I dunno Cold War. Is that a fair way to probably pretty cold. So can you share. I mean just the extent of what of what it was about and how you ended ended up extricating herself from the situation. Basically I remember being in the screening room in the projection booth screening room at universal. And we showed it for the first time I am too and all our members lights came up at the end of the back of all the executives next the muscles just not you can see. They hated aged what they of course afterwards they all smiled and pretended. Oh it's really interesting. And then it became very clear in meetings considered shine bird that this has changed it had it had to have a happy ending ahead to all sorts of things. I don't wait a minute. We had the script you agreed to the script. That's what I shot. This is why people like Deniro are in film because we were telling that story not the story you're talking about and it became a moment where I even went and showed showed it to Steven Spielberg that night after meeting with Sid because said was claimed he's the guy that discovered Spielberg right. So I showed it to Stephen. Basically the argument was too long at the end of the screening. Just being Stevens sitting Amblin and I said do you think it's too long. He started looks like Companies Watch and he said I said how long is too long. Maybe two hours no. It's two hours seventeen minutes. And so I ed I thought Stephen on my side he at least said this is amazing film but the battle then started on and universal. Were not going to release the film we again artem was going to get lawyers. We're GONNA s they'll win. They've got more money. They've got all the time they don't have have to release the film and they've got lawyers and so I said no we've got to do it in a different way and I took out this ad in variety which is normal. Those pages I discovered is covered. How many billions are made in the last ten minutes and it was empty pages have a black border like a funeral announcement? And they're in the middle type written a very personal note dear. Sid Tries Berg. When are you going to release my film slimes Terry Gilliam and the shit hit the fact that you don't do that? This is not the way Hollywood operates and so then became this battle that we were trying to get out threat even said any legitimate journalists we would buy a bus ticket for them to go and watch it in Tijuana because they there was a complete embargo on showing it in the US. We couldn't even get it. Show it to a PR company. Try to get some support so luckily there was. I was out here and I was asked to come out. Do with Leonard Madelynn Adlon a you go to USC and new just an evening talking about my films having to the students. And I brought the whole film out with me and I said I just need some audio visual aids. My lawyer was on the phone to to the lawyer at Brazil. Tried to get sort out a problem because what I said to the PROJECTIONIST USA film school. I want to show this. I'm not GONNA do this. I'm not gonNA show this thing. Because because they're funded by the studios. Basically and my lawyer was on the phone. He done a deal with the a universal lawyer. WHOSE NAME WAS MR middle mom which I thought was perfect unbelievable and and they said yes? I could show an excerpt of the film which I was going to show everything in the last thirty seconds of of the credit secrets. That's an accent. Yeah but what was interesting and I got this message is and the Dean gene would not take the telephone call from Mr Middleman from universal sates. Okay nobody they did do anything so I'm in front of all these students at saying. Come out start. I Got Students Bang on the Dean's doors taped the call the call and of course it never got show But in the course of doing that there are people from La critics in the audience out of curiosity at Leonard Maltin. Yeah exactly and they now knew there was something going on and they amongst the group they started showing in private homes in La Day and they discovered in their by laws that nothing said the film actually had to be released in the cinema to qualify and and so now it comes to November. And I think it's November and all of universal are in New York for the opening of out of Africa. The big big film of the Mega Vamp and they're all there with their black ties on dinner and getting this notification the La Critics Best Picture Brazil best director best screenplay so now they got to think now they got to put it out right and what they did they put it out in New York and a couple of the big cities. They didn't even have a poster they hit a xerox copy of what the might've been like it went out and perceived per silva it did more business than anything big else. So they'll we bet. Big Mistake is a big hit which they then released wide across the country with no buildup. Nobody knew anything about got it because one of the things that I had done to help promote it was I went on Good Morning America and this is where narrow was a great great challenge because he normally didn't promote his films and the idea of an interview with Robert. Deniro was too exciting for them. So Bobby Kay. John and I came on with Maria. Shriver was running the program and she does the interview of Bobby. And Bobby's yes. No that's what he does. Yeah that's it gave nothing inside out. Desperation turns to me and say Terry I hear you have a problem with the studio and I said no me. I don't have a problem with a studio. I have problem with one man. His name is said Sheinberg and I pulled out an eight by ten black and white glossy of emp at round round up to the camera holding up in front of millions of people of A. When you get this kind of situation Jack Bath? You'd play this whole war between rely because I'm just played around. Sit is try to be corporate responsible right so he says really dull things that I say something funny on this goes does the end we should just remind people your first lasker nomination best original screenplay and best art direction as well nomination. It's obviously today considered one of the great and last thing about that that I just WanNa mention some people talk about having the film having a sad ending you have said absolutely. I'm not and I loved your reasoning. Can you share it with Roy listeners. If you're living in a world as crazed as the world of Brazil going mad is was quite happy thing at least Sam is happy in his own mind to the rest of the world he is a lunatic. But who cares if you're happy with yourself so all right now that was eighty five. Eighty eight is the next one adventures of Baron Munchausen and you have said said that. This was your magnificent Amerson so just remind evil John. Wells has citizen Kane pisses everybody off but it's a big. You know great masterpiece and then they screwed on the next one. So what here. You know the way. It's been portrayed. It's a huge budget for those those days. Twenty three million. I think it ends ends up going very over budget and then Columbia was being sold the time to Sony. I think you said they kind of just dumped the movie. They of course blamed blamed the movie. So what actually happened here. Well we were shooting in to the Cheetah and the producer I had was a very interesting interesting guy who's great role models in life where Alexander the Great Napoleon deal horrendous and he we we raised out of Columbia twenty three and a half million and he got the first accountant in to look at the screenplay and do a budget and it was sixty billion and he fired him and then he got another one who came in at fifty fired him. We eventually after several counts later goddaughter twenty three and a half now saint started wrong fairly early on the production because doing Italy in Rome. Say This is the big movie movie ever made in Rome after Cleopatra because it Rome people have beautiful houses. Thanks to their working Patrick. It was a great boondoggle. What is what warrants and suddenly? We're in the same situation. As big budget. Film had the production. It would just be ripped off madly every day. I was running around predicated keep going anyway. The shoot six weeks into the shoot. They looked at the budget and they predicted we were going to be about two or three million. Get over getting be more each day it was more and nothing was changing. Because I story boarded the whole film. It was very detailed so there were no I hidden things. It was just the chaotic nature of the production and so they actually six they pull the plug. It's over and basically they. They said the baron could not go to the moon now. Admittedly that point. The Moon Moon was Sean Connery and there were two thousand people on the Moon who all lost their heads at different points. It was my sessile. Be Bill Moment and they said you can't go to the moon and I said well we've stopped and I will. We'll make sure that we go to the moon. But yes we won't have two thousand and we won't have Sean Connery and took three Zeros away. It was two people the movement and there was no point of having Shaun King of only and and Robin came in to fill that gap and it was breathtaking. Thanks we started up again but what had happened in the two weeks. We stopped production. Is You've got to keep the art department working because we were buying on sets. Of course they didn't so we I started began and we're still behind in the end. I have no idea what the film calls. Nobody has come forward with. A real number was one of those things where it just goes crazy the studio at the we get the film Don and the studio now is changing hands at new set of people so the old regime in all of these moments. They'll regimes films. Must Look as bad as a so that the new regime's film looked successful and I. It was the one time I did a compromise. Phyllis two hours and five minutes long and dawn steele who was head of production. That if you cut it down to two hours we will be behind the thing totally and I did. I cut five minutes out. It hasn't changed the film. Nothing is central was lost but there was no quid pro quo. It does not happen and the new regime actually. They only made one hundred and seventeen prints of the film. This is one thousand. They dumped it basically. And that's what happened. You know understandably having poured yourself into this movie and then to have that happen to it. It's been described that you sort of were. We're in a bit of a funk a little bit of a depression after that and then a couple of things change you sign with the U.. I think at their urging are open to looking at other the people scripts for the first time and then we come to the Fisher King. And so here's one. That was so successful Oscar winning for Mercedes rule. You're a bunch of other. Nominations made money people. Love it and your reaction of course quote. The problem with the Fisher King was that it was successful. It made me a commodity in Hollywood close quote. So why would that be a bad thing. Moving forward I suppose because my biggest concern about Hollywood Hollywood was that I would lose control of what was doing. I really can only do things I ultimately have control. I don't know how to appease studio executives I don't now how do any of that and I always argue that. My mistakes are more interesting studio executives mistake. That's all and but I was so D- Presence I the script turned up and I read it and I couldn't believe how good the writing was in how much I love the characters and it was Richard. Richard Lebron as is very first script he wrote it on SPEC and there was and my producers where women so people going on about women in films they have been around doing great things for years and so all of this is going on and basically the bait to get Robin Williams in the war on the end of the and so we get Robin and I just for me doing. It was a joy because it wasn't full full of special effects. be working for the first time with just good actors. But you've said that I guess the the result though is that after after that you've got you've had this success now this and rather than in this case allowing you to do what you're passionate about you wind up in development. How for ahead the next one which ends up being four years later but another a very good one twelve monkeys where people look at that cast? And they're like wait a minute. This doesn't seem that looks On paper like a more of a Hollywood movie then people would normally think from you. When you've got Bruce Willis Brad Pitt? Who was just blowing up and yet there's clearly a you know comes from an experimental film was the inspiration in this case and you certainly you know? Have your stamps on it with time. Travel and all of that. But what do you make of that when people say okay we think that this. This doesn't seem like you well. I don't understand that really last. Because the script was written by David and John People's David written an unforgiven which I thought was brilliant script and the script turned up. The studio had paid a million dollars. Nobody knew how to direct it and I got that script. I said this is fantastic. I'm happy to take on things that nobody else knows how to do. And the trick was yes. Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt except cast them in the opposite parts they should be normally playing bruce's motormouth I put almost non not speaking Brad is not a motormouth and suddenly he's got to be motormouth and so all of that is there. And then I got Madeleine stowe who's wonderful and we sit and it was a great shoot because is again with the two stars in my trick always is if I go into a movie I always out. Who's going to be in the Fox hole with me at the end of it because that's when you're most vulnerable you finish shooting now all the nervous? Nellie as of the studios come in well my affiliate. If I've got late in the case of Fisher K. if Robinson Jeff and I are in the Foxhole they can't touch us say with Brad Bruce and me and they happened in both films they couldn't touch now the film's both went out. And those are the two biggest successes I think of by amazing and and and twelve monkeys went huge again. It's one of those weird things because they released it on December twenty seven. All this is wrong because everybody's playing with their Christmas presents but it was a smart move because pre-christmas all the big films Malcolm X.. I can't remember all the others and there was a bloodbath. They all killed each other exhibitors. Wait none of this is working. Along comes abroad and Bruce Movie Bingo awfully and Brad ended up with an Oscar nominations and another for costume design for the film but As as we just keep plugging along this amazing story here. Nine one thousand nine hundred eighty three years later fair unloading Las Vegas which everyone had written off as unfilmable Hunter S. Thompson Memoir. Just how you GonNa do this so it seems like thank you. Have you know people have described you as a quirky in in a loving way quirky guy so as Johnny Depp and it it seems like in this case. That was a good guy to have in the in the foxhole with it was what was interesting about that film. I been approached over the years to try to do it. I I didn't know how to do it. And then I got this call and it was. We've got we've got Johnny Depp in Benito Del Toro we've got a script script and I said well I better look at the script and Alex Cox and his girlfriend had written it and Tony Zone. I didn't like it so we rewrote the the script in eight days. Yeah and whether our separate ways and call each other day later saying not very good. Is it done so we spend in two more days and we fix it all and we just went to work Johnny Dean Show. We wanted to work with Johnny for a long time and Benito was a new you face after a suspect and we went to work and we just had a ball. We shot very fast. I said we're we're sharks. We have to keep moving forward. And there's no re-shoots you just do it and we created a really exciting energy and both of them were on fire and I just had to look at it just a few couple of months ago. Release cleaned up version and an England. I I haven't watched it since I made it and it was like I was watching a film. This is brilliant. Who made it really felt like that? Forbade which is is great will so that being the case and it was very liked even immediately. Why was it seven years before your next to to which brothers Grimm anti-land both two thousand five? Why were you given was it? It wasn't because of fear and loathing. It was because of complications with those next two. Right now is Don Quixote. I went and Johnny and I set to work to do Don Quixote started. Yeah and so what would be the dates of twelve monkeys or nine hundred ninety nine hundred ninety eight so two thousand. I go to shoot don quixote with Johnny. Depp is rushmore. Five days into it and it's over the disaster that occurred flooding and everything so that was a lot of time and took a lot out of me happen of course and so it's a while before we get going again and they write and so then you know there were those two and two thousand five and I think was brothers Grimm. The first time you cross paths with Heath Ledger. It was in date. Because my cinematographer Nicola Peck Radi was working on a film home in Rome. Call the same eater. I was different name by the topic here and he called me. So there's this young actor Heath Ledger. He's better than Johnny. This kid is so really you got to work with him. And so we we had written a brothers Grimm script and he turned up in L. A.. And I met and I just I just this guy is wonderful and Matt Damon who I always wanted to work with and we grabbed a two. We're often running brothers Grimm Fortunately there was one other element of the thing that took the joy out of it and the last name is predominantly gently in this case. It was brother Bob it was less ours no predominant fit with the brothers twin headed monster but bob was the actual producer. The Harvey had to be involved and I had always. I met Harvey Several Times. He had wanted to work with beyond things tonight avoided him because I just know who is I know who I am and I just. It's going to be a bad marriage and what happened. I had. There's ready to go. The whole crew is together. We're in Prague. We're going going on a technical scout and the MGM who had been putting up the money so they pulled out so and then the Weinstein's are like vultures on the Telegraph draft poll. Looking for road. Kill we were roadkill and the only way we could keep the thing going was to go with them and we did and then I was right for for not wanting to work. Well we should just say. I believe this is correct. Bob Says basically fires your cemetery. For nixes the idea of Samantha the Morton playing lead rejects a prosthetic nose for Matt. Damon just really snapped all over. Yeah it's all about control control control and the Weinstein's one three filmmakers. They want to be the director. They're not integrate producers but and they may less great other. He's just four short. Well the heath ledger thread continues of course but very sadly ends with the next one and the doctor parnassus which actress four years later. And this is the one. Where even before people necessarily knew about your Don Quixote ordeal? They look at this and they say you know. Oh in the middle of production tragically Luger leading man. He Fletcher your producer. One of your producers dies a week after shooting wraps you get hit by a car and have your back broken during posts. At a certain point you must have started to wonder. If if you're right very lucky I was the one that didn't die argue. It's just no it was it was terrible. Shooting was started so well well and he was just breathtaking. Really good and then he dies in the middle of it and I pray it was over. I just did not want to finish the film but I surround myself with people like my daughter Amy and Cola. Who Will Not listen to me? And they said you've got to make this movie. If nothing the Gulf for heat I said like cat. I couldn't think it was signal actor who could replace it before lives concern and then out of desperation I came okay. Three yes actor Johnny Depp. Judy Collins Barrel. It made it more interesting in a way not more interesting. Yeah you know yeah I mean I still would like to have seen the film that he's that I set out to make but the film we made. I'm so happy with it and I. I think what was wonderful. Is Johnny Colin and Jud coming in they worked for nothing because they were all friends of heath and to see that kind of respect and love is a rare thing in Hollywood. They talk about all these you never see in in the flesh. That's what happened there. So in that sense it was a wonderful experience despite the horror yes breathtaking horror of dying and art direction and Costume Design Oscar. Nominations there too. It's kind of Nice to see your visuals which are always unbelievable got recognized and then I guess at the end of that is when you the sided for reasons that I'll leave to share time to go back to Kyoto right. What was I mean you? Are you a glutton for punishment right because I guess this is a good place to be for people who haven't seen lost them. Well Mancha which was a documentary finery that came out in two thousand two capturing the crap you'd already dealt with on this movie let's just recap if we can some of the key points. I mean literally from the first week. We'll get out there genre rushmore. Who's playing Don Quixote? Spoke only French. He spent seven months learning singlish to play the part. We go to work and within no time at all everything starts falling apart it ultimately eh there were planes flying overhead. It was NATO because there's during a Serbian Kosovo experiences somebody. This place had never had planes overhead ahead. We're sunny flying over diam training and that sort of going and then the weather comes in and we had this shock flood storm flood that just wipe the set out. All our equipment was covered in mud. And then we start up again a couple of days later Jon Rauch for cannot sit on a horse. Something has gone wrong with his nether regions and he was taken off in a helicopter flown to Paris for treatment and Ed never came back five days after starting it was finished it was gone and that takes a little bit out of you could have made a good good documentary and so when you then picked it up years later after parnassus there was sort of a realization and that probably both creative and financial reasons it makes sense to have a contemporary set script in large part. Well we actually Ashley with the Johnny Depp. Version the character was a modern advertising guy so there was a contemporary guy in it because my concern with Kayode Kayode is it takes place the beginning of the seventeenth century and yet he's talking `Bout Twelfth and Thirteenth Century Knighthood and. I just think didn't think a modern audience would be able to understand the difference in the costumes so let's have contemporary and the Johnny version was more like Connecticut. Yankee King Arthur's court short guy gets bumped on the head ends up in the seventeenth century. Well somewhere along the line. Tony Gra Zona and I added a back story to the character so I'll ultimate it's a commercials director who I think commercials director. I know so many who started in films and then when the easy road taking the money doing commercials selling dog food and toilet paper. And it's like and so these guys must be punished but we had him. It was so good how he made a film when he'd come out of film school he'd gone a little Spanish village. Got The locals to play Quixote Dulcinea all the characters actors and then he comes back ten years later thinking. It's going to be wonderful and he's confused. Benny Life's DULCINEA. The young girl was fifteen. Goes off have to be a movie star ends up. Basically big a tart a prostitute guy. The little shoemaker. Who was played Don Quixote has gone mad still thinks he's the guy and so now we've got much more interesting story and it's really more more about the dangers of filmmaking? So in terms of the guys who okay who were with you when you finally got across the finish line after something like twenty five years. It ended up being Adam driver and of course your old man Dan Jonathan Pryce. Now what's interesting. Adam driver was not somebody was particularly on your radar before this right. So how did how did he end up being being the guy again. My daughter does these things I mean. I'd seen Star Wars with him and his first Kyle Rim dish and okay fine interesting but nothing to do with what I was doing it. And and my daughter amy he was in town doing some star wars working and is is it. You just got to meet him. I had never seen girls. I knew nothing about except that bit of Kylo Ren which he was bankable. So let's Meet I. I we set up a lunch at a pub in London I met him and he was completely unlike what I ever thought about the character and there was. He wasn't like an actor. There's something so real about Adam genuine when he told me about nine eleven when the Kurt right and he joined the Marines to go and defend the country. That's wonderfully naive innocent. This extraordinary guy and I just liked the fact. I've got a character who doesn't look like a leading man and and he is even better than I thought because is he is so serious about his work and he's fearless and the character in the film starts is he's an asshole. He's a really really cynical. Jaded commercials director and by the end. He's beautiful he's just transformed and the range is incredible edible and he does it brilliantly an everyday working we've had them was a constant surprise. There's he just as I think. He's the best reactor actor worked with Jonathan Pryce at his face. Being outrageous cody Stellan skarsgard at his face. Being Dangerous Tough boss Adam deals with. He's wonderful and I think tweet quite honest I think this is this is a formative shows was more than anybody else. Got Out this year. This you'll make story the report report star wars going up and this it's quite amazing. And and he's he's got time to live a life anymore on Broadway to earlier so you know in our last two minutes. Let's say I just have a couple of things I want to hear. How gratifying was it? After this the impossible dream and talk about how that finally happened And then go to. Ken Have Premier there and we should say the reason it finally happened. I think this is just a very cute story. Also where did the last bit of money come from. This is again my daughter. Amy came aim to it. Because we over all these years and with always with bigger dame's robbing new Volvos. In their own McGregor John hurt all of them. Uh we could ever never get beyond twelve and a half billion dollars in the marketplace. I knew the budget was closer to sixteen and at the last minute my daughter. AH This lady who had come into a lot of money late in life who had been of a very bohemian shoes. Lingo Dancer and she. She had a daughter by a one night stand and ended up after again. Persistent years to prove disband was the father he went and died and it went on. And she reggie the body exhumed and improved. He was the father he just happened to be the heir to a lot of money and so suddenly she came into this money and she'd see loss Lamonica. She knew how long I tried to make this a possibility and she gave us the money we needed a finish. It was very take the one thing she wanted to shoot down. She wanted to walk up the red carpet and and she did and in fact when we got on the red carpet I grabbed her and we doused on the red carpet. And that night though I mean for you. That's great for her. Her dream realized but I mean for you. Movie finally gets made eight finally premieres and then apparently a record twenty minutes standing. Tell me how does that feel and then how do you feel foolish. Just what it does. What do you do a standing there I even then I can't stop thinking? Is that applause for the film or is it applause for my my endurance. And I don't know maybe it's both things but it was extraordinary and so we have a happy ending but that's not the end will right and for you the does it does. Is it weird to not have that hanging over you anymore you can you. Does it feel like a load off your shoulders or what. I've lost longtime friend. Yeah it was always there and I have no idea what I'd do next. I have nothing up there. It's just always waiting in the wings. Whatever I finished another film he was always there and now he's not there and it's a very funny time? I've never felt quite as alone as they last question. Is this you no if there's one three or films or theme or or what I would call it but it seems to be that you are fascinated with imagination and what the the line blurring between what's real and what's imagined and the value as with Brazil and maybe it's better to live in the imagined world or all of this. Can you just closes out by talking about why imagination is important. Well I hate the fact that the media everything around as says the world is This big which is small and limited. And I don't think that's true the world is as big as you want it to be if you're willing to imagine it and and I think it's so hard living at a time where the media is so pressing down on us. You cannot escape the news or whatever or you're on facebook you're just to be silent and just have your own. Thoughts is so hard and so I just keep pushing this line that if you could imagine listen better or more interesting world. It's the only chance it will ever exist without imagining it. It will never happen so imagine more ladies listen channel. No don't believe what they tell you. It's the world is bigger better more surprising men anything. You're told daily. Well thank you so much for doing on this. I really appreciate. It's been great. Thanks very much for tuning into awards. Chatter we really really appreciate you taking the time to do that and would really appreciate you taking a minute more to subscribe to our podcast on your podcast APP of choice Antalya rating as well. If you have avenue questions comments or concerns you can reach me via twitter at twitter dot com slash got fiber and you can follow all of my coverage between episodes at T. H. 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Ghostwood: The Twin Peaks Podcast

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"The channel hello again twin peaks fans welcome to gust would the twin peaks podcast odd cast. I'm one of your co host. Charles skaggs in the basement of solitude once again ready to talk. Some twin peaks the return with one of the best people on the planet. We call Earth aw ZAN sprouse. How're you doing Charles. I'm doing much better after that introduction. I don't know how anybody could be anything but awesome. After hearing something so awesome from someone so awesome who else is here wait but is he bigger bigger than me. I don't know but anyway welcome to. That's what everybody here episode sixty two. GonNa talk case files and which of course is part five of twin peaks return. It just came out she on June fourth two thousand seventeen written of course by Mark Frost David Lynch directed by David Lynch Yada Jatta. You know how that goes but a lot of characters in this one a lot of new some good some bad some you just want to punch in the face and some you've been wanting to punch in the face for thirty years true true true but It's going to be a lot of fun to talk about this one zero nine before we get started though. I WANNA mention that Xanana got sees a more David Lynch Lynch movies over the weekend or at least eight Lynch we did. We got to see Mulholland drive on the big screen you guys when he did. Studio Radio Thirty Five Director Series presented by Mike McGregor did Mahala Andrews which as I have said before and we'll say again is hands hands down the best billy Ray Cyrus movie of all time and after watching that scene with you. I totally understand why you say that. It's so funny. He's so funny in that because I only see I've only seen mulholland dry like once before this screening or no. I'm sorry twice twice before. This is my third time seeing the movie so so like I knew what was coming on like what was going to happen like I know when the the the Hobo Lady POPs out in that big jump jump scare moment still gets me but yeah but even though I'm just like waiting for it going okay she's coming but but the billy ray Cyrus Orissa some. Maybe there's just party that just kind of tunes that out so that when it actually happens on the screen I'm like Oh my God that's right billy Ray Cyrus in the the holy crap for crap man Yup so so that was fun and obviously you're into it. You're laughing your ask off on that so funny I mean he's you know what's his name through comes home to find his wife in bed with Justin theroux and he's he's really mad and she's the resources like he's probably upset like he totally understands. He's probably mad at the guy cheating on his wife. It is actually being sympathetic toward the husband probably yes then of course he goes and gets her jewelry box and hot pink paint on it. That's right and then billy ray. Cyrus goes to pull them off. pull him off and he's like hey. You're on your way to treat your wife. Man Care what she's done and I just think his his like sense of morality is just hilarious like really. Where are you getting getting your concepts exactly yes like maybe you're missing the point where you're cheating on my wife or your your life. My wife is cheating on me with you. You need to get the hell out of my house like rate eight now and my peers in the void here billy ray what's up like have you seen silver linings playbook I'm trying to think Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Lawrence I think I have seen that movie and he's living at home after having thing been in a mental one with Robert Deniro right. Yes yes well. The reason he's in a mental institution is that he almost beat a man to death because he comes home from work one day to find this guy in the shower with his wife wife and Bradley Cooper in his wife's wedding song is playing on the Stereo Okay so he confronts them and and this man who is standing Berra's naked in Bradley Cooper's House with Bradley Cooper's wife Loose Bradley Cooper Square in the eye and says I think you should leave leave man like I'm GonNa see if anybody should beat anybody up to the point of almost killing them. I'm just saying I understand. It's Kinda justified at that moment yeah. That's the thing whereas I think Billy Ray. Cyrus would have been like yeah. I should go at least understands his tone role in things a little bit better and of course we we felt bad for Naomi Watson's Betty. I feel so bad for she makes it's the classic error of opening the mystery box such states to show. You don't open that mystery box this yeah for those of you. You haven't seen Mulholland Mahal and drive. It's basically if David Lynch directed hellraiser right so so we did get to hear Rebecca do her versus crying which is amazing. It is amazing because for one thing it's Spanish so at first year like wait. I think I kind of know that song like Oh my God it's Roy orbison crying the greatest this is the best ever and of course because with Rebecca del Rio who we talked talked about three octaves in hooting It's just so amazing. Oh Yeah and you know just the performance the vocal performance and of course you know. It's you know how many years ago what eighteen years ago so she was like much more crime than she was on not that she it was horrible by any means on twin peaks the return quite the opposite but she's even better but the two the two characters are sitting in a theater just listening listen to her and just they're both crying yeah. That's pretty much what happens when you it's not exactly. The happiest upbeat song is it. No it's not but it's just so gorgeous too. You know you don't who also does a great version of this Katie Lang if you if you've listened if you listened Sindhu Roy orbison 's King of hearts see his album he does duet with Katie Lang where she basically had essentially has she takes the lead in the vocals nice and she kills it. I mean just powerful as all get out if he'd be Lang who by the way was imitated by Kyle mclachlan. This is true uh-huh. I think they go to the same hairstylist but I think I think and it works for both of them there but it does it does yeah yeah exactly but but yeah if you if you've never heard the Katie Lang version of crying go listen give give it a spin highly recommend spotify highly highly recommended by yours truly one of my favorite songs on that album by the way which is a great album to all right through earth anything exactly you kick around with Roy Orbison. Sorry okay so anything else about Mahone drive before we move on. I mean it wasn't really that much to it. We didn't stay for the special features because it was two thirty in the bloody morning because we're old and only well and I I had my tightened talk. podcast not like eight hours later so I had to get some Z's titan talk man priorities right gotta you gotta gotTa. Make Gut and make the podcast the podcast God to make the podcast asked so all right so back to twin peaks the return like I said this has got a lot of new people old people out of our old favorites returning turning in this one so this time of course we get return more of Rust Hamlin's Doctor Jacoby be get the return of the late great Peggy Lipton who I was very glad. I got a nod in the in Memoriam segment at the emmys on Sunday. I didn't watch the I I yeah I tweeted about. It and I'm just like you know. Peggy Lipton got the Memoriam. She's television history so so and even better it was as Norma Jennings not as from the MoD squad not a month Norma Jennings. Oh my God that's better better yes so so so I gotta give props the on that one. She's a big deal with the Moscow squad in twin peaks and she is Rashida Jones's mother. I thought for sure she if if they were gonNA show her they go to show for the MoD squad. nope twin falls. Bobbie used yeah so it was very happy about that. They did that when Robey we get the return as needing hurley those kind of more like a quick cameo in this one but she's back we get the return of Mitchen aamic as shelley blank because I wonder what her last name is shelly question mark because it's still oh hanging out with the wrong guys YEP YEP YEP YEP but turns out. She's got a new surname she does she does and it's a pretty big one and it's one that a lot of us were hoping for so it's better than Johnson we get another great scene with David Patrick Kelly Jerry Horne blazing a trail rayle literally we get the debut of Eamon Farren as the horrible Richard Horne I was reminded reminded recently of when I did a post to ghost would where I was doing an image search for him and young David Patrick Kelly came up in the image search well. It's like well you know they are quick her family resemblance here but you know fictional but I can still see grand uncle uncle and grandnephew right. We get the introduction of a man to say freed as Chile or I'm sorry screw missing Becky Burnett. Thank you Brunette Becky Brunettes not the porn star young who who has like the biggest smile outside of Sheryl Lee in twin peaks pretty much as we find out in this move in this episode of Caleb Landry Jones gets introduced a Stephen Burnett whom some of you may remember as Banshee in X. Men First Class that's yeah when he was much less Dushi and much less loser. we get the return of Gary Hirsch Burger as bonehead boyfriend Nelson had boyfriends. We get the introduction of Candy Clark as Doris Truman Truman's hen pecking wife life. Yeah not a good look for This is Truman no not a good look at all Josie. Yeah as you know when we're GonNa talk about the Brothers picking their mates. You know just less deadly exactly we get return of Andrea Aces says Heidi after far too long so she's obviously been starting out the old man he can't get a car started too busy starting up the old man a Marvin Rosen s towed towed. We'll get the dedication for the episode in the sadly yes let's see we got the introduction of. Don Murray's Bushnell mullins wish now mullen dougie's he's boss at the with lucky boxer slash insurance mogo exactly yeah and then and then we get the introduction of a lot of dougie's Co workers and the at the lucky seven insurance so we get Tom. Sizemore is Anthony Sinclair. He's up to no good Elena SA- teen as Rhonda who you see every so often in something yes she was actually Mira on Smallville back in the day she okay yeah so get the return of David Desma pit boss work and we get the introduction of Robert knepper and Jim Belushi as the Mitcham Boys Rodney the and Bradley Mitchum yes so of course that means the debut of Amy Shiels as candy along along with Mandy and Sandy we get unfortunately have the return of John Period Cello as Chad Chad turn of the Federal Williams's jade and the introduction of Ernie Hudson is Colonel Davis an Adele Patel Rene as the Tenant Cynthia Knox his assistant and you'll head me it brings his fingerprints are top top priority and you have to think that his last name Davis's has to be a nod to don s Davis. I would hope so yeah I would hope so because e Kinda fills the role had you know I think if Donald Davis had still been alive he probably would have formed an data right. He probably would've played the whole government government. US Air Force Project Blue Book Connection Yeah and lastly and certainly last we get the return of Haley Gates as drugged out mom when when nine Yup so enjoy enjoy the lovely Haley Gates as drug out. Mom drugged up mother she you know she's much better within this usually case. You're so bad. She doesn't even get into a proper name structure. That's that's all she deserves and hopefully that's what's going to be on the paperwork for children's services pretty soon so so if you feel like making a call to CPS S. while you're watching this episode with us Feel Free Gopher Alfred. I'm not sure if they'll respond to a complaint from two thousand seventeen but fictional character a fictional character. That's on whatever device. You're watching this on but take go for it. See what happens. Opens live crazy people that think that soap operas are real. You know I mean it could be like I can only think of like super old analogies like Brooke Shields who thinks Dr Drake remorse is real on friends or dispute. Take you guys or Oh my oh my God what's her name Marian. What's the MOM's name on on happy days mayor Marion Ross Marion Ross or you could be like Marion Ross on night court when they broadcast on public accession. She thinks it's real funny guy thought about that episode in forever. Yeah Yeah. This is why talking to you because you the the obscure Trivia. That's linked lurking deep within your mind. it's astounding to me it. Just it just bubbles up to the surface for no reason it's mesmerizing before we started recording Charles. I gave you a trivia question true yeah once you sure that Trivia question well. I was telling Charles that before we started the podcast I was. I was just sort of decompressing a little oh after work and I was watching Wayne's world which was on cable party on. I haven't seen it in years and it is an excellent movie. It is is just is experts still holds up but it has a two twin peaks actors in it yeah. It was completely stumped about who that I've. It's been a long longtime since I've seen Wayne's world. I'm dying to know who that is because it's killing me. Let me tell you the the most obscure one first okay and it it is that Donna Amendola plays the announcer after Wayne's Wayne's world goes corporate and they get their like sponsored show oh so he's in it for like five minutes but that of course emory Badass right Wayne's world. Does he still have his back and finish. I don't know he's Leeson the booth so it's quiet on set but this next one you're gonNA kick yourself for Yeah Larry Flynn Boyle Seriously Wayne like this. You'RE GONNA lose me member. She's his girlfriend at the beginning on right. How did I not remember that. I don't have a gun let alone. Several guns constitute the need for a gun rack. That's amazing. That's epic. It is quite possibly my favorite line for ways. Let alone several guns to constitute the need for a gun rick treating me like this. You're GONNA lose me. I already lost. You know what this connection means. Don't you that that we the twin peaks connection means. We have gateway talking about Wayne's world on ghost. Would that's a great idea. I mean yeah that kind of might be stretching the format a little bit just a little bit just a tad but it's possible yeah. I suck you know if I was cooper can be in John Carpenter movies. Why can't he be David you now and now and now I wanna see David Lynch version of Wayne's world like the you know the the the Bohemian rhapsody in the car would be all slowed down garden tour shirl richer over and be like you guys got a little bit more of a Downer owner but still get yeah so if you haven't revisited Wayne's world in a while or if you know you're young and you were over after after all the rage on Saturday night live. I think you should should find that in watch it. 'cause it's fabulous so nice little trip back in time. It's a good one all right so so if everybody's ready we should go ahead and talk about twin peaks return case files. AL's so for everybody playing the home game if you want to sync up your ipads or Blu ray players or not your phones because you shouldn't be watching twin peaks and a phone you guys you know give it. It's respect at least if you're on the train while I can't can you if you're on the train yeah if you're you're selo but try and go ahead but but twin peaks really needs to be watching at least a little larger screen like an ipad if if nothing else but so we're at the I'm at the one minute thirty two second mark where it's completely without getting on the floor. Yep and now it's black so now it's dark so just after the spinning Chevron for like Zan said so let me he put in my ear buds rights so I'm good to go and is providing. We're good on your N. I'm going to go all right so let's do this. In three two one don't mom right a little bit to instrumental music instrumental music in Las Vegas stratosphere standing up very this this right here is a off of Freemont stratosphere by the way I believe he can get a room for forty nine dollars out. Stay there. I think we're listening to Jenny Jones the flame if I'm not mistaken at this point that's what our interim music was so these idiots are still waiting around for. Doug aid because a few leaned over when jade away these guys kind of remind me of the guys who come to pee on the dude's Rug Ugh in the big Lebowski we're like I'm a good man to be a millionaire Yeah so aka the Ike the spike theme the Spike but we don't get to see him till next episode and so this is lorraine who is essentially like the hit coordinator of hit men and you know she's trying to She's got this device. A really old blackberry is with that is okay. I can tell if it was like a pager or what yet the really old blackberry my friend my friend. Dave has one of those. He's still hasn't laid around for some reason and but but we think it's like this connects all away to Buenos Aires. Look out and that seems so divergent urgent agent to her. She types to then Arjun really oh who's hungry. yeah took me a while. Who So everything this man's head off. Who's Afraid Chopstick guys. Somebody needs to introduce her to Albert like right now these to Kaitlin the we gotta get these crazy kids together. I think that would be extraordinarily bad to find a bad mastered all life. Is You know killing your body exploding at the speed of light okay. That's bad okay. Gordon Safety testings again. This is a ring. Don't threatening the ring a ring. Don't don't touch it. Oh you don't know where it's been. I like the consulates sarcastic and she tells dead jokes how Ooh Doug Jones is renting get in one ring to rule them all one ring to buy them and and in the darkness sign them yeah. Everything's just all over the place in this world Mr See in the slammer yeah yeah with a surprisingly clean toilet yeah says he's I think he just puked. Everything had to go in time. Soon brushes teeth well. There's no mere so damn. Can you possibly mirror. Is there in jail in this one puts. Mir's enjoy math because remember that certain reflection that comes up at the bad idea yeah. Now food is coming. It's coming very slowly but it's coming not like old waiter coming slow not like that not like that. Kinda slow coming. You know what what are you paying for it. Philip glass of orange juice and now it went orange juice so you got some nice. Yes some nice post on there to the watermelon. That looks good. There's a little slice there the Mir that the bad idea you think that that yeah putting a like a mere that prisoners could smash would be a bad idea. That's like a shoe waiting to happen right shards of glass anyone to sing and Charlton. Oh God oh it's the flashback to bobbing cooper laughing in the black lodge our our guard and and see here's cooper smashing is sir now. You'RE GONNA lose your like your room. Deposit still has the key very cool morphing scene yeah. This is very very creepy. Kinda get we can get sort of frank. Silva to appear twin peaks the return Yeah Yeah. I wish I wish she could have yeah. We know you're still with me. You're so evil and that's good kaput. Stevo Boy Oh my God. It's a good things so now here's here's Don bonehead boyfriend. Mike bonehead boyfriend all right moved up world to Life Insurance Guy I. I think it's an insurance company. Isn't it now he's cars used cars on this right used car so yeah. He's got a used car empire as most a high school football players end up doing so as much as I hate Mike Right he'd Stephen Moore. You gotTa hate Stephen Moore right yeah you gotTa hate. Stephen Moore because for one thing Mike older here waiting for an presumably has is his act together yet ed. Mike is at least you know holding job and he hasn't as far as I know necessarily gotten. Anybody hooked on Heroin Air Winch. Now I know he helped bobby sells some cocaine day but this is heroin okay okay. It's just kind of what everybody did. In the eighties takes. No one vote head was I think the whole ironic thing is like that's pretty much where Mike used to be back in the day. Mike was still a little bit more together though I think but still you know he was still dealing drugs even even bobby you know. He was drug dealer but never he he got his act together to go work for Benjamin Horne so even Bobbi was able to figure things is out a little bit better than Steven. Steven is just worthless and he's not and you know I'm just pulling out all my favorite close tonight throws and to quote line from guess. WHO's coming to dinner you and even that good looking nice yeah well. I'm in the office so here's where we feel really bad for frank considering who he's married to this. This is Doris everyone. She's a charmer okay. I have a question who has diarrhea and how did they get up in the cupboard right and if they're going to be diarrhea in the cupboards. I don't quite know really obsessing over this black. Mold black mold is deadly it. Is You know oh I'd like to shout out to to my bff. Shelly who's got a leaking pipe right now and it's a condo so he's having to coordinate with insurance to neighbors and on a crowd of someone someone who lives in a condo. I sympathize yeah. That's the thing we'll this weird condo. That's like they're like intertwined levels so so I remember the first time I stayed with her. Remember Thinking Oh somebody's awake upstairs and I went upstairs as wickets and there was a neighbors because it was like their main floor was between her main floor and her base. It was really weird. That is weird. in for frank has just know by this point in this stage in the relationship. He just tunes all this out. It's just like yes sunny. Whatever yes I agree with you. I'm on it. I'm on it. Trust me. He's varies then about something is is kind of like why like Frank. He does have a very approach to it he does. He's like you know what I'm doing. What I can Dan also I'm the Damn Sheriff. Okay and I know. This is a really small town but we're gonNA drugs somewhere in this town between here in in Canada so I have to do. Hey at the red door and I think it's Franks inability to be flummoxed by her. That just drives her insane. They Columbus's her. Yes exactly that's so maybe that's his revenge is like as hysterical she is he plays it does a complete one eighty from that and and it drives her insane what. I'm thinking I can find a green jacket like this. I'M GONNA do this for Halloween Dougie for Halloween yeah just green jacket and try on my head and he really easy that would be epic by the way you know care out of big second money with the dollar sign on it still wanted to see you senator. Daito though Oh that is way too much fancy clothing you what you want to keep it low oh fi last year. I did a joy Nash Costume. I could do another one this year ago yeah last year. I was plum from a diet land and so if you find this jacket I want to know where you found this jacket. guarantee you. I could find this jacket at any number of three stores the real estate developers there is a you know. Where's your car Dougie. Did you interview well. It's about to be blown up so you won't have to worry about it too much longer. Maybe what's so good. I love this. One of those old school like wood panel side doors very very retro Rancho Rosa I had high hopes Rancho Rosa but it just didn't go very well. The concern like okay. It seems like the only residents they are. Dougie and drugged out mother and her kid in this house. The DOUGIE was in. There's nobody in that. They were just squatting. I mean there's driveways but we never get the cars with driveways have for sale signs drive cars and for sale signs on them and there's other houses reported reported windows so maybe they're all laugh. Maybe this is on its last legs but it all looks brand new so we have a couple of high rises in Columbus that were supposed to be condos. Rondos by like a crooked condo dealer for sale signs is a good observation and just reminds me of that Simpson's grammar. I put money down on a condo but then they lost funding. That crane just sits there. All Day vested intentions but this doesn't end well for this. You know if you bought a house. They're bad for you. Because can you imagine that like the property value on this really low. I have to think Dougie I love. I would just say that sounds like a like a like a late night. Dj for seventy station seriously dougie. I love to love to love to love Doug the love Doug. I'm I'm Hervey Hervey Herbie the love the love Doug over. I always find it interesting that there's other industry in Las Vegas and there's tons of it. I just think it's fascinating because it's you know nobody thinks nobody thinks about it one of his episodes so. I KINDA WANNA see. I wish we had like the ability to get like like a Prequel to this. 'cause I wanNA know what Dougie's life was like before it becomes a Forino before it gets you know brought back to the the Black Lodge and and deflated Debbie Jones fire walk with me. You know where Doug Jones turns into this half dougie half super hybrid twin peaks fire walk with dougie Walker thugging yep or shuffle with dougie. It's like law man Let's Kinda familiar gun lawmen with a gun yeah. Let's say it's really good at target practice. He still is I used to she with the other arm arm though starting and thank and now we wait for a bird to poop on the shoulder now. He's a statue and by this time a lot of twin. Olympic's fans are going. Can we get Cooper back now. Please make it stop but we're only just beginning really yeah. We've got thirteen more. I think it's a little like I I think it's more yeah it's like. It's ten or eleven yeah something like that. I think he comes back in sixteen but it's a wonderfully triumphant moment. When it happens right I mean there is a payoff at least so we have that now to take comfort in. It just takes a long time getting their now here. If you notice there's a guy carrying a lot of coffee cups but rather easily because there's no coffee in them probably know coughing and then yeah that would be Obviously he has to pretend that there's coffee but there's no coffee in them because it's way too easy for him to carry those things around especially the elevator see how easy you push that button. You couldn't do that like we would be scolded because he's got like eight cups of coffee there see. I thought for sure this is going to do it. We all did we're all. It was all part of the trap. It's a trial it's a crab trump. I got an extra one so you can have this. One is like no just give me all eight of them so we can hurry up and get cooper back yeah. We need that. Cooper progress bar to keep moving along. It's Kinda stuck on like thirty percent right now. It's not budging it really trying to get at the coffee because it's got that little bit of the lid so he's got to find the hole in the lid so he can drink out of it. Oh yeah coffee and hot premium good lucky seven insurance. You need to be insured. Lucky seven insurance where you're lucky if you're insured and there's an actual team. Here's the thing I mean. Everybody knows that Dougie has had some problems and he's been out for a while right so but they should run is yeah so it's like you know they should be cool with that it. It's really nice. Everybody's so helpful for Dougie. Well you know it is. It's a very progressive office. They probably have like it probably had training seminars on all this. What do you WANNA bet. They probably really cookie when he comes back yeah. We gotta like HR came in and they made everybody sit through. It's a you know like a like a twenty minute training video. How did he was someone. WHO's mentally challenged an airhead yet new haircut? I think you both have been hitting the salon for a job yeah. There's a lot of hair dye in that scene. It's a good partner. Crocker's is pretty good here. You know if you did it did a good job. It looks a lot more natural than Tom Sizemore. 's Oh heck yeah that'd be intentional though I think it's actually that like spray on hair could be oh Darren's knot and all that great shutdown come back to US cooper here. I do think it's funny that he's drinking. Franks coffee frank once once he finds out. It's not too happy about that Frank Silva yes yeah you never drink your coffee. You you want to screen T. Come on man. No I don't want your effing green green tea lots as our delicious the F out of here. Maybe like Dave Chapelle in in that once you know like where he knocks over the water only should knock over the Coffee Cup and just Altuva room. Yeah Yeah see he likes the green tea. Lot say it's tasty. He likes it. Mike all the things you could get extra at the coffee place. Where would you get a green tea lot oddly specific. There's always that one guy is always usually usually it's me but no I mean you know you would think that just plain black coffee would be the most universal missile thing that you could get an extra one of well. Maybe it was his and so we offered him his no. He said he got an extra one. Oh okay in the elevator. I don't know that is going to wear it. Maybe just said the main is like donuts. You say give me an assortment it. Just give me whatever you got eight. Thanks yeah just whenever the first eight things you make. We'll take that I'm in a rush Bush now. mullins everybody listener mullins everybody dunmurry and I was at this meeting. I would be browsing twitter on my phone. Just say people might be littlefield was an arsonist Ersan Est.. Maybe I don't think here's the thing. I don't think Tom on sizemore is on the level. You guys know say needs so he's usually such up character. I know I was GONNA say. I don't know if I think think that because I know the story or because. It's Tom is exactly yeah. It's it's kind of like you know. He's the the Osei Oh Sean Sean Bean gets killed in every movie or like William Atherton is always a bad guy or at least a douchebag correct everything he's ever been. Mr Punishable face. Yes yeah and I swear to you. I have never seen Ernie Hudson not as some sort of uniformed character. He's either a cop or military some ghostbuster which by the way is thirty five years old this year to think about that. He's coming back for the new movie yeah. I know I'm excited about that too. I'm kind of excited about it but I'm going to really really miss hairiness yeah. That's GonNa be a hard one to get over. Hopefully they do a nice tribute at such a crush John when I was a kid but any parts is going to be there so maybe she'll she could be filling the spangler void is marina's coming back no not at last report he's one of the holdouts him and Murray but Murray was spotted onset. Murray's spotting emerged was fought it so maybe Murray just makes a cameo agent. You know what that word. Come on. Come back. Come Back Cooper. You're so close. Oh so you can do it. You can do this. Come on come on Cooper. Give us a little hope. Bridgestone Balance Back in his boxing days yeah so like sixty years ago. He fought which means he's probably like eighty dougy getting crap for the man files case. Oh come on back getting out of he yeah just like now if you'll excuse me I really have to urinate into your need and this is kind of an hr violation just saying dougie sneaking into the ladies room or cooper rather it's so it's my call him super duper too good one because he's not quite cooper and he's Kinda Dougie Donna Cooper dougie gross. It's the bathroom. I've never I'm just going to say I've never understood like the mile high club or anything where somebody he is going to try and get some action in a bathroom. Some people get turned on by the the thrill of getting caught or buddies the bathroom slice and it's always skanky is places like I I. It's kind of hard drive a see on an airplane to the bathroom where you have like. You know you know it's occupied you. Close the door and you can but it's but it's a really tight fit. It's like it's like everything is essentially like having sex in a coffin and I Would Really Your Phone Browser pee my pants go to the bathroom and most clubs but I've been. It's just disgusting on forbid. You know you hit flush with the toilet lid up and that whole vacuum thing happens happens while you're at it sucked down in the middle of the act so that could be awkward thoughts. Mr Jackpots Sandy core guy. Hey you know it's your faulty machines. That did this not me. Yep Yeah you know look He. He pulled the Lee. Put money in and pull the lever. What do you want from me man. It's not my fault or hundred twenty twenty five thousand dollars Bush. Yeah never ain't got time for you man. You're not in on this. No He's one of my favorite character actress by the way who Robert Knepper. He's a lot of I mean. He was great on heroes. You you is Great Anais Zombie just a lot of fun to watch transporter three. I think it was a lot out of fun. Mr Jackpots surprised you know like what a great comedic timing. He's got the the two of them together as the mission brothers fantastic 'cause sometimes you with Jim Belushi ago. Is Jim Belushi. You know like the Diet Coke of Jim Belushi Army John Belushi. That's what I meant. The Die Curve John Lucy. Here's the thing about Jim Belushi for me. Though I I am a huge fan of the man with one red shoe okay. I've never seen that movie. What see I know as you look how many movies you have to educate me on Charles. You just have to come over I know and I was I was remedy. That's what I'm saying. I'm reading this. We need like a movie club. Yeah we don't we totally do after podcast book clubs. We need a movie club at once a month. We're going to do movies movies really movie. podcast movies. Charles has seen that might be very limited download range on that one no no unless we talk about the frighteners either now. I have not wind up already too busy watching star wars for like the Fifth VIP forty-seven time exactly I gotTa Watch reruns of next Gen when I'm eating my lunch any afternoon. Oh my God if the clown is gonNA pennywise. The clouds allows gonna be. They're canceling can't sleep. Clowns will get me finally trial yet. It hurts you by the way I haven't haven't seen it yet pretty much going to see but I haven't seen it yet aarp so you you approve that. I approve it. Okay good yeah. That's good to know so now I WANNA associate more. 'cause I are Kinda things about it. It is worth it one hundred percent for You'll hate her. It's the accident. He's always good so here. We feel even worse for crack. MOMS kid because he goes goes wandering in the street on supervised and yeah. He's just found a bomb yeah. He's just found not of all things he finds me any touches it. You know why because you can't tell me that that is not just a spray painted air hockey you handle title hockey narrow rocks. Yeah you guys totally get what's coming coming to you like they're going to sit there in here to steal the car and this is where the Karma sets in get it. Karma kid is having quite a traumatic day yeah better so so so. Let's let's let's recap here. His mom is crack. Mom Tom he just got thrown rocks sat are you guys carjackers came in to throw rocks at him so they could steal this guy's talk and he just watched them all go up in a ball of flame yeah and then he guaranteed a you around there somewhere with the clamp. You still here yeah unfortunately ma or it will be. He's still alive. I can go back to sleep now. I can do some more crack. Oh man see I'm telling you this is not a good neighborhood goes up and grows up to be a pyromaniac. I WanNa know what happened was super villain so jay at the car wash go on. y'All missing it with me carwash Euro Irvine. It's the route three three fifteen key. You guys clean. Pele's clean place reasonably priced. I loved it. It says that on the key on the back of the that's what I need clean place replaced pretty epic so it's like all right. This is my job of in the entire series. Here is to mail room like a old hotel room key back to the great northern well and she gets to give the two rates and there was much rejoicing. There's much rejoicing for Norma. We miss you Lipton. We miss you so much inst- The wer and nothing has changed hardly hardly like maybe they get like redid the you know the the of Varnish on the paneling yeah this was this place was redone till look like it used is to and it really. I think I told you I watched this episode. Charles where that guy is sitting. That's exactly where I sat when I was there. This is a form my kids see bull cure yellow yellow his color so I did. I took a picture of a FORMICA table in that's what I it is. My catching that is awesome. I'm so jealousy. Were there twice twice. Uh now now you just twisting the knife. Norm has been watching shelly make bad decisions for thirty years now. She should be used to this now granted. She here chilies trying to help out her kid okay. He's trying to help her kid but in that she's unfortunately also but she needs to give a tough love at this point tells her she loves her. That's it. I'm going back to Riverdale Zana's hypnotize as just had a hurt hiccup. Oh I'm sorry that's okay. Are you okay. I'm sorry so so we have re reunited once again. Shelly Johnson or Shelly Briggs as it turns out. Kelly Briggs rigs enormous jennings. I don't know why she would have kept Jennings. Everything that happened with Hank the last time but okay well he owns. A business in the name of Jennings was Russo maybe because it's under her a and that name she has to keep her name yeah see the problem is when she helps becky she helps. Steven Wright and because he his way around to give them money right to Stephen Yeah. The only way to help becky is to get her away from him and have her. Come live with you even if that means read. Is there some times to. I don't care if she's not Stephen. That's the important thing somebody needs to point out to. Stephen that when you're a ginger mustaches are the way to go ginger. Moustache are right-out legiter mustaches. You gotta go big or you gotta go home. You Know Oh yeah. It's like you. GotTa really really commit to it. You gotta be like let's see. I'm trying to think of a good. You know you gotta be like huge bushy beard mustache or because you know this can't grow a moustache moustache problem. That's that's that's an issue but bad boina flashy car Yup. Shelley's daughter has type just like mom turns out literally wanted was a May. He didn't have to pay apple does not far fall from the tree and it's sad because you know her. Parents are very loving me. You say what you want to about bobby. He's very loving when it comes to becky right and and you know he's a cop stars. We know Bobby wasn't a bad dad. It Really GonNa really going to go out to dinner. There's like one restaurant here exactly that we have to go out of town ago to somewhere else to dinner because we've never seen another restaurant in the series ever maybe that maybe the dining room of the great northern maybe great definitely feedback as in get out. Get the hell out with and get the hell away from my daughter apparent yes. He also does cocaine but you know there's also heroin to sniff like Donald Trump at the podium I wonder if there's what does that mean to send same. Okay what this you know. Girls don't like this when you're trying to win them over all right. Just tell you that right now. I'm I'm sure but unfortunately for Becky. She's like kind of high right now. Yeah poor thing and you know yeah seriously. When you're seventeen you know the the cool guy in the fast car that might be fun but when you're married to the cool guy who can't hold a job and does heroin and cocaine and you'll has the same crappy fast car you know now I love. I love this sequence right here. Lynch you know with an overhead camera with a light sunlight beaming down or supposedly the sunlight beaming down and she has these big is in this big smile and it just fills up on screen as the Para Sisters. I love how you love me plays xactly it's just it's the durably tragic. Rodrick right and estate lynch does so well that kind of retro fifties five but with darkness on the flip side. That's exactly exactly what he does that is David Lynch short there but that dark Americana Awkward Moment in the elevator here to judge anybody's life but you got to be self sufficient. It's all I'm saying yeah. Hopefully Dougie didn't fart and the elevator get out of the way Doug. He moved MINJAH. He moved like a Cobra Jones Cobra anyways clown again what's going on right balloon spread balloons not right in Las Vegas. Let me tell you a lot of work to do overnight. I kept waiting for Dougie Doug Cooper to go like okay so the gun points at something and then go toward that wa I mean I kept thinking that was going to become into a directional in all this spring you how deeply lost inside of everything cooper releases you feel horrible for Cooper because he's trapped in there and he can't get out he's trapped in there and he can barely even remember why he's trapped. It's you know he's he was trapped in the lodge for twenty five years and now he's trapped inside. Dougie's shell of a body seriously. Meanwhile twin peaks sheriff's department meanwhile with all the donuts ever. I hope they have the insulin nearby I just I you know just just just one bag of chips some. Where's your starches man. God maybe a bag of doritos something we'll peanuts simple. You know a little bit of protein there you go. Maybe some baby carrots. Let's do something healthy whereas a veggie tray yeah. Where's the Veggie tray baby carrots. Maybe you know like some string. Cheese isn't the worst thing in the world. The party never stops the twin piece sheriff's department. No it sure doesn't so you have to go to the bathroom yet. He just kind of sits there. I Love The book and Hawke's Bay. I wait. Where are you saying that out loud to me. Is this expression like why haven't killed you. After all this time it buried your body where nobody can find it. It's because I have a soft thought. Things are going to pick up. It's almost time for Dr Kids. Some of your freedom is oh my gosh winds up the record player rock and the Stars and Stripes from John Philip Sousa. The sentence are intro. We should we do this yeah you. Should you know we should do a doctor ample DR L. Do podcast some that would be kind of hilarious with all the cheesy effects. I could totally do that. Oh man stuff you found like flying lying around my basement yet. I could do that earthly. I'm on it like an old like principal announcement microphone right. He's not actually saying anything like that Simpson's. Dj Dea exactly it's the it's the cosmic flashlight now you gotTa admit he does have a good career ahead of him on Fox News. He sure does he's going to be the next Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity good and here's some jerry getting stoned in the woods watching Dr amp yep. That's how he spends his evening which wouldn't you I mean my God up. GotTa do this so apparently doctor. Dr Anthony is considered basically basically consists of two people Jerry Jerry. Nadine does the only two people listening to Dr Yup now to be fair. You know we know how it is when you're podcasting but yeah I I love how he's not actually saying anything. He's just listening. Thanks yeah he's just rattling off. Random point points like he's. He's got like a list of talking points and it just goes right down cocktail. You're beaker. I'm kind of sad though we give the Hawaiian theme like what what what happened to his left or in the immortal words that Pete Seeger if I had a hammer just what I've got a hammer any golden shovel and a golden several. It must be three o'clock. Dr Man man if Nadine with her little isn't love you guys. She's totally in love with doctoring up. She's to- she's got total like Florence Nightingale Syndrome for him so Dr Jacoby Youtube Star. Oh my God that is like the single greatest image. I loved his off of it. Oh this whole series is worth it for this commercial right here. This is the scene we didn't. We never knew that we wanted and we got it and it's only twenty nine ninety nine. You guys pushing plus shipping plus shipping. Yes do you bucks four seven nine twin peaks Washington allow two to three weeks thirty dollars to that and see what happens. I want to see what happened. Maybe shovel maybe you don't we'll find out. Farrell's worship it. We made golden shovels yet. We started a kickstarter to get thirty dollars so we can send it to Dr. Him just to see what here's why. Haven't we just gone to lake garage sale sale or true value hardware store and found a shot like a you shovel in sprayed gold gold where we been. I have no idea I don't know what to do. Do with crafting time. Remember to coats guaranteed guaranteed yep well. Yes Colonel Davis. The amazing Ernie Hudson Colonel Winstons Edmore Davis Ernie Hudson by by the way is the example I gave when I talk about two. Hou- volunteer staff at Comic Cons became power hungry and they hit mad with power. There are some sort of comic con dictator. I was at dragon con when you're and I saw some volunteer actually make Ernie Hudson show him his badge before for he let him in the room seriously they power chipped onto Ernie Hudson and I just wanted to say that's Winston effing Zet Amore okay. Ah You don't know who he is so meanwhile roadhouse we have part of the episode David Lynch's No. It's not the sad part this week and I'll tell you why because this isn't the last scene of the episode. I know it's close. It's close but it's not the last scene for one so it always the exception to the rule exception to the rule but yeah usually usually we see the roadhouse. Alson so the guy the kid playing guitar is Riley Lynch grandson of David Lynch Jennifer's son rate. I believe so see see this is a sad episode Charles. We have to look at Richard and this is the ban trouble playing snake eyes and one of the members in addition to Riley Lynch which is Dean Hurley who does allow who does a lot of the incidental sound effect the U. Here throughout twin peaks the return. Yes you can send some records is David. Lynch did a whole album of all the sound effects that he did in twin peaks return he did and it's I have it and it is wonderful wonderful. I need to burn that bar that so I can burn a copy or something because we can see yeah what to do. When you come up your Charles it's on San I spend the entire year over there. Just you know I'm GonNa Start charging me rent and we'll you know we'll have a little. You know you know media exchange slumber party that would be awesome. I'll bring over a big cardboard box full of stuff and then we can like trade stuff for the for the week. Yup and then come back the next week and pick it up. We do it all again in the exchange program so this yeah this is our first indication of well. This is our introduction Richard Horne and our first indication of what a complete Douche scum of the earth horrible person. He is his and estee bad being with him right. Chad giving him pass mocking in the nonsmoking section. Oh Hey this is why because you know he just gets you know. The cigarette pack is Morley's and if you're an X. so why could be the cigarette smoking man on the X. Files so that's a nice nice little nod to David do coveney being on the X. x-files there. It'd be William Davis character in the exercise. Will you mess David Yep. Yeah yeah the secrets empty boxes empty. I'm looking for Santa Claus. Go deep yet. Don't stay the hell away from him. Young lady domain your mother. It's interesting that you know young women. These days are wearing Capri pants. The people are very comfortable. We'll see I told you stay the hell away from him. He is a horrible horrible person. In the people one of the women and that's glaring at Richard Right now is Jane Levy who if you saw season one of castle rock it was really good in that. Oh okay she's in Castlerock I need to I need to get caught up on that. Actually early highly recommended yes see here's the thing about the season two's about start. Richard is a vicious bastard and I'm glad he's dead pretty much. You like how you know how we hated. Ben Because he was kind of horrible. Well guess what his grandsons even worse. Ben Is like Jesus compare a now. We're like Oh. It's not the end 'cause hey. We're going the cutting back to Tammy right. I would be doing like all day trying to find if I was on a case that had to do with the issue Cooper. I'd just hysterical his picture all day long. You GotTa give credit to Tammy here because she's keeping her head down. She's doing a work doing her job getting it done. She's doing the grunt work. She's doing the grunt work comparing comparing fingerprints right now and she's going to notice that. Oh Hey Mister C's fingerprints are kind of the reverse backward backwards Dale Cooper's yeah. How does that happen exactly. That's an odd situation. What what what or for for hearts those worlds are completely backwards. They're backwards. No they're actually backwards. Somebody like copy and paste and then like river reverse the image. You would think oh my gosh. Somebody's messing with me. Somebody's messing around here. Is that Bob and accounting again Janet Bob Bobbing Account so here we get word Murphy. I get get all echoey. Sorry I had to be there for second she jettison from the the PA yeah for a brief moment I did. She hit the eject button. I hit Ya Eject Buck aroo now. I'm trying to find serving that is I can't find. It's driving me crazy. You know how that goes. You've come to the right place yeah so guess who's about to get phone call yeah. This is not going to be good now. This is why this is why we learned that you never give Mr Literac- a phone call no no even if he's like legally obligated to have one don't get to do it. Yeah just really really shouldn't do it. It's a really bad idea. It's a really bad idea ghostbusters now should I called Daryl Strawberry. What from the nineteen eighties mets and a little tear comes out of darryl strawberry's face xantia catch that reference tear. You made the simpsons reference. Not Me strew good times press. This is why we worked well together. This is why we worked together on these thanks. I think we work well together. We do yeah we done sixty to these things so I hope so but really crap. Have we really yes. We have check us out. I know admits he was much longer for you right now. It seems like you've just done like six of them. All of a sudden we go techno do Doodoo. Doodo to to to the system is down. The system is down to don't don't don't don't it is crowned. I'll tell you we did not install that light switch for you so you're not supposed to play with the light switch turning it on and off funny. I don't know where my Dean Hurley records are. Yes we just we just connected strong bad to Mr siege causing all kinds of chaos on don't question it in the president. Just this guy just roll with the guys. That's what we did. Look when it's on 'cause we're loners. Daddy rentals got a call. He is just a ghost inside of giant steam pot searching for David Bowie searching for David Bowie. I'm Leonard Nimoy and in search of this isn't searches which was an excellent show. What the what just happened it shrunk. What am I looking at here. Condensed understand why why does it happen. We never know what is going on in Buenos Aires solent. CEO Now we get the sad sacks music of windswept by Johnny Jewel Windswept Yep and how how sad sad moment when we learn that the show's over credits so we get Sag Saxophone Credit Music Yep. It's very depressing. Heidi with her blink and you miss her cameo. Yep Hiding. You Blink and you miss her. She's there though she's they're getting second son networks. She's very very consider. Sam Smith no not that Sam Smith different centers yeah not the Moby like Robert Smith from the cure WANNA be Smith. He's just a little too. I've got it in for Sam Smith ever since he screwed up the opening theme to Specter which should should have been more should have been radio heads version yeah. I wasn't a fan of that either. I love the radio heads Specter Song Yeah. I don't know Ogle but I'm a big radiohead fan so yeah. I'm reading a Guy Yeah especially after what's it the Oscar winning sky fall. Yes that was just kind of a Downer founder and that was the last song that should oh you well know Adele's sky fall should one yes it. Did it in this is to be fair. Yes it's Kinda hard to top Adele Sky Fall which was one of my favorite bond themes ever. Oh it's legit my favorite bonding. I think mine might be the world is not enough by garbage. I'll what's did that. I was trying to remember if he did that. Garbage is great. I love it song but I think sky fall might be number two or number three for me. Sky Falls definitely number one and then this is is James Bond bonding talk. You all live twice probably my second favorite. That's up there Nancy Sinatra. You can't go wrong with that. That one's a pretty. I like that one. I like Let's see let's see living daylights my got. That's right because it's so I love it who did license to kill that was Gladys Knight. Was that Gladys Knight that's not that's not not one of my favorites. No it's yeah but anything's living don't let die obviously by Paul McCartney and wings yeah. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. Go ahead and embarrass myself here with what my third favourite okay for your eyes. Only that's okay. She eastern can't go wrong with that. One Yeah I I love for your eyes. Only and I like view to kill. I think is pretty good. That Sheryl Crow's tomorrow. Never dies honored is as good. I liked Madonna's die another day. I thought it was very different that I don't like. That's that's probably my least favorite pond theme ever know. Maybe not least favorite but it's down there. I have a really hard time with a live and let die though why because it's so grammatically torturous risk and in this ever changing world in which we live in God it just curls every time I hear it I get I mean I get that but it having listened to so many beal songs you just kind of get used to that like lyrical nonsense sense yeah. It's just not it's I find it really upsetting. That's okay. That's fair yeah yeah I can't. I can't handle that stuff. It's not a bad song after that. I like Chris Cornell's. You Know My name from Casino Royal Yeah. That's that's a good one little rock and it's weird though when they're not when we had sought the name of the song yeah it is it is just like should figure it but to be fair how you GonNa do a song named Quantum Quantum Solis so you had to do what they had to do. check. Whiten Leakey's another way to die which actually is a better bond yeah another way to favor true so I can also at the song title. I know we got off this really big. James Bond rant you guys but it's Kinda cute. Didn't we do that. I don't know it stay. We Digress. It's what what we do. We digress but we got through the. We got through the episode pretty quickly so we did so this. This is it's kind of like our bonus. You know normally. It's close to nine o'clock by now. We're pretty year. Russia Russia pretty good time for once impressed is with us so we got we got it had to happen. Initially Law of averages kicked in we actually got onto stayed on time so we you got the dedication to marv Roseanne's who's played of course towed in the back in the kitchen in the in the afterlife. Yep Yep so he can hide on the kitchen up there. what you ready for this one. Oh my reading for this one is probably a nine green tea lattice NYSC yeah you really you really got fixated on the Green Tea Latte days. How do you think it's so funny like out of all the things you could get. It's the Green Tea Lante. That's bizarre. I I like this because of all the characters that are coming back and this episode is like almost attend for me because of the doctor amp so that that's what makes it a home run for you. Almost exact your ramp really knocked out of the park for me. See I. I only get this one eight and a half but because it just it's it's. I think there's a little too much of the insurance lucky seven insurance for my liking because it just kind of slows everything we do get a lot of character intros though Oh and a lot of returning characters so that was that's definitely in his favor the doctor you can't go wrong with doctor am seen that dancing like makes it makes it all worthwhile but but we know that we do get better episodes than this so that's why. I kind of keep this one a little lower so I give the eight and a half keys to room three fifteen at the great northern hotel good one thrown in the mailbox. That's pretty good because Jay give two keys. She's you know she's getting the aw getting the ball rolling here sorry in a very non impacting character actually does something that sort of sort of drives the plot very impactful also credit suisse do yeah candy so We didn't get any feedback this time some kind of disappointed still having a nice time listing listing yeah. I know it's like okay you know. Summer is over and we gotta get back in the in the whole false sitting mindset. I know it's Kinda hard considering that. Oh Gee is supposed to be like ninety ninety degrees next week here in Ohio. It was kind of Nice today. Seventy degree day like Oh very seasonal and then we're we're. We're back to summer next week and falling yeah. It's like it's late September. It should be getting a little crispy October next week. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA jump again from summer or straight to winner. That's not cool not cool but hey we know. All you know why but as anything being done about it knew how dare you I know right exactly so points to two two Greta this. You know our new hero. There's one my wife shared something. which I really I shared on facebook that that it was a nice little meam grabbed me moves like a into every generation. That slater is born. I saw that and I thought that was great. That's pretty epic so that's why she shared it because as like yes so points to ever made that me points there so if you wanNA give us feedback. We'd love to hear your feedback. we got some big episodes coming up episode. Six is another big one. We're only two way after that from the big part eight. SEE coming out here to be hard for me to like. I'm just going to yeah. I don't know how we're GONNA talk over that because it's mostly like swirly special effects so so we either have to. We're GONNA have to be like extra snarky or or we're. GonNa have to come up with some activities or something to help them extra snarky. I say let's go with that all right all right so what you know maybe rights cert- reading adding some material for part yeah so we can do that but if you want to read right to his we definitely would love to hear from you so write to us at ghost would podcast at gmail.com podcast at the g mail. Dot Com. We'd love to hear from you. Please reach out to US reach out to us on twitter at that ghost webcast or ghost with the twin peaks podcast on the facebook. We definitely appreciate that as well. We're only like I think seven away from one hundred on facebook so if you could like if you know plenty yeah yeah. Give some likes or if you know somebody that it hasn't like the page. Please have them like the page. We'd like to at least get to one hundred. I don't think it's that much to ask. 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Yes stay tuned and so right now Jesse Nye the Sunday. We're GONNA talk no place which is the first audio adventure from big finish productions which of course features the return of David Tennant as the tenth doctor and Catherine Tate as Donna Noble in Rome even better Bernard cribs as Wilf is back and Jacqueline King as Sylvia donnas horrible mother Sylvia and that's a lot of fun. We I've listened to the the audio this week in preparation for that that was a lot of fun so yeah so Jesse Negative Review and then then we're going to WE'RE GONNA be talking and then we've got to be talking. Turn left which is another great Donna Noble story where one of our a lovely people holly MC Miller is is going to be joining me for that and then all kinds of other people are gonna be joining us for all kinds of classic who modern who supplies check that out next up everywhere the a doctor who podcast we definitely appreciate that and the Phantom Zone podcast Jesse and I also do we just wrapped up the boys seized one and and Krypton season two and may end up talking watchman on that because we have Jesse recently watch re watched watchmen to you discuss on another podcast one that I did recently with. Dj Nick on which is called at red. I saw you did that. Yes called happiness and darkness nece. It's on soundcloud and I believe I share the link on my facebook page but I was one of the first guest on that and I got to talk the nineteen eighteen seventy eight superman movie my all time favorite Superhero brearley mine too so my all time favorites John Williams Score Gore exactly. That's one of the reasons why I smile favorite because give me another score that tops John Williams superman somewhere you can't you can't you can't and and this is for the person that's got a star wars quote engraved on her wedding ring right okay. I can't give you a better sport now. He's that's to say. I hate to say it man. I hate to say that somebody's best thing was forty years ago but that's not to say that everything he has done since then on isn't fantastic because it is. I mean John Williams he's been. I love his force. Awakens score that he did recently. I I love the Harry. Potter spores the Great Jim home alone score. I think it's a great score top the the. I don't know if it's the skype or if it's me I'm having having her here. I noticed so we'd better bail out of the year so Zan king go off in in on that note. I should mention that next time. Ghost would we're going to discuss. Don't die so ZANDT. Di San don't die. 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241: Surviving After Life

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241: Surviving After Life

"Uh-huh. This is fun. Was someone who spoils and that might be. Oh, no. This is the extra hot great podcast episode two hundred forty one for the week of Bartoleme to ninety. I am dog food buyer. David t Cole, and I'm here with pub lunch. Sarah, d bunting fucking crisps restless ghost tar area. No. I'm a video and sad. Sad. So sad clown will each this is the best work I've ever done. Buddy. Welcome to another episode of extra hawk great. Great. Not great. That is different podcast by dump guy. Can't talk extra hot great. Just quick note to our patriot supporters one thank you to our first episode will come your way, March fifteenth. And if you're not familiar with how it works when there's a episode disrepair people. You have to go to the patriots site and up near the upper right corner. There is a link that's just for you. That's your audio feed. You have to copy the audio feed and manually paste it into your apoptosis. If you're having trouble, just let me know patriotic threat. I will try to help you out. But you can also listen to it directly on patriot. If you want, but you have to do a little leg work to get into your podcast app for the first episode March fifty and like every other podcast, you only have to do that. Once it's not like you have to see added every episode. It's just atrophied, and then that's your feet forever. You have to activate your subscription. Exactly. Oh, we are back with will Leach. Hello will. Well as always. Is it because we have you here to talk about Netflix this new show after life in which Ricky Gervais plays a guy named Tony whose wife has died at it has made him so sad. Now, he's a dick. If you could imagine it, and I'm going to go off of your your intro handle their will in which you yourself in all caps. Sad sad. So sad clown. I gather this is your impression of the show. Tell us more about your your feelings about this particular, sad clown, incarnation of wreckage arrays. Yeah. I was playing with that with my with my, quote, even to which the idea like I though this thing is bad. But I have a sinking suspicion the Ricky Gervais thinks this is the most incredible thing he's ever worship. And I feel like that that reeks through every single minute of the show. This is the classic sort of thing. This is the most comedic cliche in the world. Right. The the very defunding man who really wants to be taken seriously, and basically every comedian goes through this. And if you as a matter of I sometimes wonder if I respect to comedian more by how well they survive this phase. And some of them could completely off the rails. I think it the Billy crystal was a great place. Anyway. Woo. This would knocked him completely. What does I Jim Carey he evolved it somewhat? And then turned into wherever weird thing that Jim Carey kind of is now, and but for Ricky jer vase, it really of has a little bit of that. Jerry Lewis clown died vibe going on where he really does feel like I've been I've been funny before. But this is who I am deep done underneath. And there's this weirdly could've autobiographical notion to it to that like, well, just so, you know, the reason that you guys I've been so mean because up on the way I don't know if you've forgotten. I'm very dangerous. I'm very dangerous comedian, please do not forget that at any point. I am Ricky Jason. I'm extremely dangerous saying things that you are not quite ready here, which makes me say them even more the idea that he always seen him as that guy. But the idea here is that like, well, it's all because of this deep inner pane so on, but here, it's just the most Hackney possible way where it's just like, okay. The reason that he says these terrible things is because the worst possible thing that's happened to him has can happen. Pretty bad. But therefore he gets to get away with anything across the board. And I think it really feels like Ricky vase looking for some sort of validation in some sort of love because he's sick. And so many hits with good reason for so long. I think it's kind of his way to say, no, no, see deep down inside. I'm very serious. I will say my patients with very short everything I've been saying for the past two years is totally correct. And here's a show detail. You why in the show sets me up? So that kind of within the show I'm trying to be critic proof like I have the moral authority because I am a widower. Of this saintly wife, and now the world has to know what is like in here. I come and you're so right about like every commuting goes to this phase. If this show was a mean, it would be the Lenny thinking very seriously at the film festival graphic from the Simpsons with his tented fingers. Ponders the film. Boy like their self-indulgent projects. And then, you know, they're self indulgent projects in and Ricky surveys, the who dares you not to like him makes show of same. Like the first episode is brutal. It is like he is just incredibly mean-spirited without being having a comedic edge at all. It's like berry like dislike. Oh, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Buddy colleague, calling kid a ginger-haired count or something like that. It's one of the lines from the the pilot it it mellows out after the pilot. But it never gets good. If I may just correct you Dave. That's Lenny waiting to hear if he's one month Gumri burns as Dan award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence, which is even more apropos for describing pick Ricky. Out great. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember reading that his previous show, Derek, which is also a Netflix in which I also watched one of was also supposed to be somewhere on this continuum that he also thought of this as like a that character as a drama character and was trying to make some kind of larger point that he hadn't done with extras or the office prior to this. And and like that character is. If you haven't seen it like a very broadly developed, mentally challenged character of some kind like, it's there's nothing subtle about this in like if this is what it's volved into. I don't know if it's a if it's an improvement, Sarah. What did you think of afterlife? I just didn't give shit first of all like the minute. He gave the dog people food. I was against him change. But also we've seen like my first note and my last note for a while was how many dozens of variations on this excuse for quote truth telling if we seen done a gazillion times better. And the fact that it's face just makes it tastes nasty because he's like, well, you know, I'm just being honest. Like, what are you nineteen years old yourself? Don't forget didn't he do movie where he invents lying as well. As another avenue into this whole stick. I don't think it's all that different from his character on office UK. I don't think it's that far off accepting quality from various like Leary. David verse characters or outs. Like, we've just seen it done zillion times better and don't give the fucking dog people food. I don't care how much you're grieving take your ass to the grocery and get some dog food. I just don't understand. I just don't understand what he thinks this brings to is. Seavy like never mind what he thinks that brings to the world. I like, I don't think he's necessarily dumb guy. He's just someone whose work I have no interest in interacting with. So I don't I don't see how he was like, oh, this is a departure from something that I've done before because the office because. Derek because the entire catalogue of western comedic, anti heroes. Like, it's just immature and spiteful and on top of that. It's boring son, even bad enough to be entertaining to make fun of it. Just sucked. It a gives you whiplash. Like, I mean Tara wash the pilot and yesterday like you wanna watch another one. No. And then I woke up super so ended up watching the rest this morning and the first one is pretty brutal. But the show just totally will give you whiplash because he goes from being this truth teller character in your face. Oh, what you've got world into like the men is basically like it's Richie Ricky as non Christmas Grinch at the end of this. But he learns learns to again, and and it it was like a cringe-worthy at the end, and none none of those emotions or none of those situations that happens by the end of the season are earned. So you know, it doesn't doesn't get any better as well as well. Talk about low hanging fruit. Like, oh, let's make fun of the free local paper and the story of like food item. That looked like a famous person academic will do are you kidding me? How was that? Not cut. I guess I was kinda mad about it. I feel like it does reveal a little bit more about himself than maybe he would like it to. Yeah. I'm always reminded of Roger Abraham his great review of the Andrew dice clay stand up movie dice rules. This is the only thing I've ever, but that movie was he said, this move would not be a worse attack on injured is reputation than if it were made by someone who dislikes him, and I feel like that is kind of how I I watched this. And I'm like man, this is the thing that really galls me about it is it's just basic storytelling one like this is almost like origin story, right? Like the idea that he's a terrible person. Because this horrible thing happened to behold learn to be good but to start with. Oh, so his wife died of cancer like the easiest obvious. Most thing in the world is just like, it's really if you're going to do that you better justify it. Like, I think Manchester by the sea, whatever your thoughts about Aflac in that movie that movie starts with one of the worst things that can happen to a person. But he knows that when the vita director knows that when he makes the movie and therefore realize is I have to earn this. I have to make this movie worthwhile. This horrible thing happened and realize this characters maybe not going to get better here. He just starts with the easiest most possible empathy inducing sort of thing just to get away with crap. But also, you don't see like we are told by his wife in her yon gray videos that he is a good person with a kind heart, but they never earned that we never believed that you ever was a good person. Both partly because the show doesn't show it. But ours also because Ricky surveys bring so much baggage into that role. Yeah. You can't. I mean, you know, it's it's you know, I know critics have a hard time not separating things. Right. You know, they want to be able to look at something objectively say as a piece of art. This is this and you know, I'm I'm not going to be an bring in the real world baggage. But boy, you really really do with this show in the Senate. Yeah. I mean as a thought experiment, can we imagine this premise working with an actor in the lead role? Who is like Moses appalled? This is Paul Rudd. So yeah. Richter. Like anyone who could bring into it. Bring just more like the capacity for vulnerability. Whereas like like, you say, you know, it's only because the wife says though that we're we're supposed to think he has. He has a good heart has really the way he came across to me was he's just been waiting for an excuse to drop the mask his whole life. Yeah. On the one flashback that we see to when they were just, you know, being married, and she was alive. He fucking woke up with an air horn. Yeah. That's really really charming. He finds it like on one a sticker. I am. It's like office. Not the spouse who ends up widowed. We'll say there was a scene. Remind me the office and the best ways. But there's a scene in episode. Two bales? Watch episode to know only one ventured beyond the pilot halfway through so in this is a joke. Spoiler. So I guess if you're going to watch the series, you know, skip skip forty five seconds. But he takes his nephew to the local cafe to get a bite to eat in the kid wants to get the kid meal of fish, sticks and beans and bread, which you know, Britain. But when her and Ricky today's like, oh that sounds good. I'll have that to the waitresses like what you can't have that Esa kids meal and the guessing this whole pedantic argument about. But it's actually it's good in the David Brenta st- way were explaining that to him. He's getting a kid's meals all he wants to eat the kid's meal isn't cheaper like per food item is just less money because it's a kiss port in and he ends up arguing arguing arguing he then orders. Well, my nephew all have to of that. And they bring them to that everybody behind the counters watching make sure he doesn't eat it and just one fail swoop. He does grabs the whole contents the plate with one giant, brick vase media hand and shoves all into his mouth, and to sort of like defiantly, choose giant glove, British cuisine as he stereo the people, and it was just real allowed allowed it. But it was just like such a I think that would have been the Stephen merchant, you know, vibe that were missing from the rest of their show kind of like comedy that we don't really get in this. But that that was fun. I've really laughed out loud at that. So now, I'm terrified someone's gonna turn it into a gif. This was a bus like he's he's he's lost so much goodwill. He's really pissed it away. You know, even leaving aside will was saying top about about this phase in his career. Like, even when he was still trying to be funny like that special dangerous that he did for HBO is like one of the worst most self-indulgent gross displays ever, so. Yeah. I mean, I just I just feel like he needs to retire. Go away and be a millionaire, which I'm sure he is you can license his face to be the next Calvin peeing on things sticker. That's like, basically. It's around the dial. We're talking things bit watching on TV recently. I up Tara good girls is back for its second season on NBC. The second episode just aired this past Sunday. This is a show that I talked about when it premiered last year. Really, good smart. Interesting sort of small town small time gripped show starring three women. Two of them are sisters played by Christina Hendricks, and a may Wittman and their third friend who played by Reta from parks and recreation and so in the in the first season was and they carry it on in season. Two of the you know, the stakes are higher now. Christina hendricks. Shitty husband has faked cancer and gotten himself shot. And of course, he's played by Matthew Lillard like you only what bad things to happen to him. So it's great. But now the stakes are higher, and they're supposed to be killing people that are in their way and stuff in some of them are fine with that. And some of them are not so much. And so there's interesting conflict in between the three of them, which is sort of propelling season two in more interesting directions. I also noticed that in the second episode that two of the new producers season are Emily Halpern and Sarah Haskins who created trophy wife. So that's an idea of some of the energy that's coming to comedic late. But what really drives a show and makes it so interesting sort of the same thing that that made welterweight and interesting character early vary early on in breaking bad, which is he gets away with stuff because no one suspects him. He's just so boring. Looking and like, there's no one more. I band softball in the universe of this show than a suburban mom granted we have to suspend disbelief because one of them is Christina Hendricks like one of those beautiful women alive. But they still the premise that you know, fine. They put her in a black peacoat. I guess I don't know. But like in the second episode, they they need to raise a bunch of money to get one of their antagonists to leave town and he's played by David Hornby from it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Who was also a toad worm on that show. And he's terrible here two and a rapist. So again, you only want bad things to happen to them. But they want to they steal a tesla. And they're going to try and sell it for parts. And then they find out you can't sell a test for parts describe is basically a giant ipad. So instead, they take it to a country club. And like, they drop it off at the valet. And they're waiting for it to come back and win the valley brings it back, Christina Hendrickson, read, it do this whole like routine about like how hilarious it is that he thinks the two. Two of them are driving tesla. Like, oh, sure. I'll take this like they're so funny together like doing this bit. And then or like just bring a Honda, and then steal Honda or totally would would be completely forgotten in this scenario by this guy, who's like this this harried valet. Anyway, it's some of them were overarching stories are not believable in at least. They're starting to talk about having to account for where their money comes from even if they use like van Mohan pay pal and stuff, which was one of my problems season one. But it's a really good show season. One is on Hulu if you haven't checked it out. It was a short season. I think it was only thirteen episodes. And it just kept getting better also has one of the best music supervisors on television. Really surprising choices that that support the story. Well, and are not, you know, songs that you've heard a million times before you're not gonna hear another cover of Hallelujah on this. It's not like shonda rhimes slow said ovary wailing versions of. Pops. It's a good show. Check it out. It's moved to Sunday. I think it used to be on Mondays. Now, it's on Sundays at ten eastern. But check your local listings, and if you don't have cable anymore as said it's on. Burma plug. I did a bunch Stefan decider last week. I about the Beverly Hills nine or two zero revival that is coming this summer, and then the following day about the passing of Luke Perry and how he his character. Dylan and Brenda were my first ship clarion early. No disrespect to the Perry family and his arrivers. Did the Dave had just had surgery on Monday. And I was walking out to go and get the car like through the recovery area unheard nurse as name, and it was like, wait. Wait what happened? So I'll always remember where I was when I heard that Luke Perry died in the hospital. I also finished up my recaps of the night and brand new as of this recording on Tuesday. I did a story about the to-, bro. Which is the foot version of Dr pimple Popper for lack of put it concisely. My editor Mark Graham asked me to make some gifts. That was a mistake. One of them. He did not use. He said it made him bar. He had to delete it out of their content librarian WordPress because everyone who works there was like threatening to quit if he didn't. So we will link this on the show notes. But yes, check that out on decider toback to nine oh two zero Sarah. You also had some nine or two outings as well. Let you jump in here. Yes. I did. I I will remember where I was I was talking about leaving never lay done my true crime podcast. And my phone was literally blowing up like a thin ribbon of smoke was coming out of it just stop recording. But then I did go on pop culture. Happy hour, or esteemed colleague, Linda, Holmes is very nice to invite me on there to talk about. And remember, Luke Perry. So yeah, that was my that was my Luke Perry story, and we'll be talking about him more on future episodes of again this. He's always going to be Christie's half brother to be. Valuable. All right. Well, it's your turn. Okay. First of I wanna say tar impressed. I am I've worked with Mark Graham for more than fifteen years and to gross him out with a gif is truly an achievement to you. He'll he'll talking about studies unnecessary already in your in box. So I wanted I wanted going to talk briefly about better things, which is back to really really great because not only lost anything by losing Cape is better. But instead, I'm going to talk about creative galaxy now if you don't watch critic galaxy why would you you're not four, but my youngest son gradually, I if you do paved galaxy and you are not for Doke. There's a whole bunch of stuff for grownups on that you can watch that you might enjoy more. But if you are for you might like creative galaxy which is a show that's on Amazon prime and is done by the person that did Daniel tiger's neighborhood and all those sort of fun shows. But my thing is might my four year old. I like a lot of parents say, oh, we don't really watch children watch television, though, we totally do. Just the way anytime someone says that to you. They are lying or they live in a Europe. So so my my son is obsessed with creative galaxy and so his goes into my plug season. Two of the Willie Joe on dot TV channels is out Mike this week was Jason Jones, of course, from the Detroit promoting the detour. But not on my show. He wasn't on my show. He was doing the voice of artists dead on creative galaxy which does on hit he and sitting at the be, of course, his wife. They are the parents on that show. Crib. Galaxy is a very sweet show that actually can kid teens a character named captain paper. Exactly, it's wonderful. Like, that's that's how out there and metaphysical. It is the captains are called captain paper. And so anyway, so so God bless Jason Jones after after dealing with my generally poor interviewing skills for about a half an hour. Actually looked into the camera and spoke to my son win in voice of these dad saying are we ready to use our imaginations today, and I was so excited I queued up and I got home to win win. Finally, you're going to get some sort of sense of care for what your father does it all and I showed it to him. And he said, yeah, that's not already. That's just some guy. So he's he I've locked him in his room for three weeks. He'll appreciate what his father did for him. So therefore there are by my plug if you can hear him if you can hear me through the screens is that at my street two of the will each show is back out. We just had Russell Russell Hornsby. Who was great give and we had Andre Holland was great in in moonlight. Of course in also high flying bird, very fun show. I don't know why they can do let me do it. But they do. And also to see all of the dumb things that I do you can sign up to my weekly newsletter. Tiny letter dot com slash William F that's also link both of those in our show notes. Deep bunting all the midwife. No my husband's crying. Okay. We were both crying. I will say I was not sure that I could sell this one as the next program in the fort red evening marathon files. Dan was like puttering and sort of half doing something else. And I was like whatever if he hates it. We will find something else to watch. Did the first comment? He made was during the premiere someone will startled by an aeroplane going overhead, and he barely looked up before noting that the plane was an acronym. Stick and then planes of that era would not have swept wing. After the beating we wash bullshit. Well, really, this is the kind of thing like also do it about like boats. Guy. Dad gay? Not so weird that he does not love. Call the midwife. He especially loves chummy. With the show loves me. We love it. So far, one of my favorite things watching it as Tara area and work wife is that it's basically a big product placement for socialized medicine. I also love all the late fifties, personal and interiors fashion and all the music use it really scratches that Leslie girls it visually and chummy. I've been trying to figure out for the last few episodes. How something so? Earnestly sweet and hopeful with such a meta voice over being telephoned in by one Vanessa Redgrave is still working on me. But it I don't know there's some magical thing. That it's really great. We're at the end of season one. We just watched the first Christmas special and. Yeah. This is the new fort red evening marathon, we love it. And I feel dumb that we waited so long to start watching it. I'm so glad it's wonderful. Or my plug. I was thrilled and honored to be invited on hated. But I love it to talk about backdraft. Any like weird it ministry fire department subplot? That were involved. It was really fun. I had a delightful time, and they laughed at some of my jokes, which was very nice if them to do, but yes, I high by a hate it. But I love it. And that's me talking about backdraft and admitting that I still would Scott Glen you heard it here. Not I. This extra credit topic. Excuse me comes to us from Joe it's called taking to task master. And because it is about taskmaster the show that Dave was forced to watch. And that we have continued to watch just polish off season to this past weekend. Only Dave, and I will be participating. We did not make will and Sarah flight to England to see it. So the question is which TV character actor or personality? Would you want to see taking part in taskmaster? What would be the comedic bizarre or pointless task? You would want them to try and how would they get on? Casey miss the episode where we talked about at taskmaster is like a comedic British panel show various comedians are put to these very silly tasks like. Try to understand it get a get an answer from the Swedish person only speaking Swedish will some of the other ones for the season. Put these three yoga balls on this mad at the top of this hill in the fastest time while blah, blah, stuff like that. This is our age I prepared to since there's only the two of us will go first the task set up. Domino course that takes at least forty five seconds to run the TV person doing it Christian Syria. No, how do they do? He's got tiny hands in particular sense of FedEx. So he kills it. Dave, so taskmaster has different types of tasks. There's a straightforward time based challenges where there's a task and cause wins there's challenges that reward out of the box thinking, which often end up being tests of how much you can cheat get away with it. Then there's weird tasks like by the host a nice birthday present than than present win. So it's all over the place. It's not necessarily skill based. But sometimes it it's my idea sees four of the five panelists trying to give the taskmaster the most thoughtful. Thank you. And how it works is these four out of five half. Describe their gift only as the as an end result simile, for example, the gift is like a warm hug on a cold morning, and then the fifth person guests those similize and is tasked with creating products from items in and around the taskmaster campus house. That best fulfill the notions provided by the other four. So he's creating four products based on basically marketing tag lines, the fifth person does not realize that this is a task that only day are doing. And then the four people receive the products that this fifth person made, and then is judged on that what is the most thoughtful thank you gift via simile that fifth person is Adam familiar busters. Nice that. All right. My second one up the task is on your own torso. Create a wearable shirt using post its TV person doing it is Terry crews. How does he do? Well, he comes to the task with a huge amount of enthusiasm as we would badgen, but is tour so muscles keep flexing and knocking off the post. It's so he doesn't get full coverage. By prediction, we are here to talk about our beloved mod cloth winters almost behind us, we promise. So now's the time to start thinking about stocking up on new wardrobe pieces for spring. It's a season that so much more than florals though, mud close does have plenty of those. 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Four episode eight finding Francis. Neither for you. As a show. I've only watched a few times anytime, I've watched it. I found myself like it's funny, and I really enjoy I laugh, and then I'm feel kinda gross at don't wanna watch the show again. And and the show ran for seasons and voltage uneven fielder, a comedian that pan can be into helps helps small businesses through increasingly surreal schemes in ideas. And I get I was funny, but it may be an easy in a way that frankly, a lot of the shows produced by the apps, Lutely, Tim and Eric team often do like, they're funny. But I always have quite Schick that fear that these quote, unquote, normal people are being used somehow the people in the show Phil somehow above them that would happen. Sometimes might watch in even fielder episode people tell me that this show is a little different. If you watch. Hole that he's a little lighter than Tim and Eric. And but I don't know it just feels like that the Tim and Eric universe to be honest. It's not entirely my by is probably the best way. I like see Brule. I'm pro Steve rural everything rarely does. But on the whole is not my anyway. So it's just not an anti comedy barely a comedy guy. I can't even get to anti comedy and barely hanging on with the comedy the half. So basically for you ended its run in November two dozen seventeen and fielder actually went onto work on Sasha baron Cohen show, which makes a certain amount of sense. Actually, when you think about I didn't really think about the show. But did I start hearing a bunch of the final episode of the series which was called finding Francis which was an hour longer than the average episode was supposedly credible. Now, aero Morse wrote about the New Yorker, he's called it. One of the best documentary he'd ever seen in my colleague at the grizzlies podcast, which I forgot to plug earlier. But I do a weekly podcast with my friend. Tim Grierson called Grierson Leach. And he's he's I'm pretending to be a film critic. He's an actual film critic. And so he was at the true false film festival in Columbia, Missouri. And they actually special screening of just that episode and apparently to put the house like it was it was the big hit of the truth documentary film festival Columbia. So I finally, okay, I'll watch it. I watched it. And I have to say is pretty great. It is deeply unsettling, and it's not it's not the nights version of the show, which means probably wanna watch go back and watch any of the old shows. But boy, did I like this. Now the episode revolves around a man named Bill heath who lives in Los Angeles working kind of not really as a Bill Gates impersonator you'd actually only previous Nathan for your episode called souvenir. Shop in which fielder had brought him back to the end. So basically he was deeply to he was Bill Gates impersonator called souvenir shop so fielder brought him back because he liked his liked him. So much on the show to the DVD commentary, but he felt himself kind of eccentric. Strange Kim so fascinated with them Bill kept coming around the office. All the time to see him was going and it kept talking. Of a woman named Francis. Who is a love his life. But he had not seen in fifty years since he been back in Arkansas so fielder decides that as part of the show he's going to help him. Find francis. It was becoming clear that finding this woman would take a lot more effort than Google search. But before devoting my time to this. I wanted to see what bills motivations were. Oh, I need to confess a lot of things to her. About what between the time. We the lapse of time and fill in the gaps her gaps and my goats the put the puzzle together. I mean best case scenario, what do you hope will happen? I hope I can find or and then what what happens when you go from there. What does that mean? She's married. You have to sip that way. But if she's not she's not little maybe we could get married. You still love her deal. I did. I was moved by how romantic of tale. This was love is hard to come by. You know? Okay. So it sounds release. Sweet so far, but the problems of quickly gear Bill has no idea how to find her. He has a sketch of what she looked like in nineteen sixty one which is not helpful so Bill they go back to Little Rock where they met to. Hopefully, jog bills memory. What turns out that Bill and faces split partly because Bill with the Hollywood for fame and fortune, or as it turns out to be not very good. Bill Gates, a personal and Nathan this this point, and they kind of brings himself into the story about he felt the same way about leaving Canada for Hollywood. And again as usual, I can never quite tell if Nathan fielder he's being serious or not, of course, Schick? But also again leaves me a little fumbling, particularly when we're talking about something this kind of serious is he just messing with this guy. If it's worth what is with this guy. Anyway, he is certainly very odd himself. What's your favorite memory of Francis? Probably we roll the bed there together when you're on the bed together. Do what did you do on the bed? Well, I was trying to have sex with her. Oh, cool. All right. Should we go to bed? Kind of a perfect Nathan fielder deadpan right there on the. That's the first sign that Bill is maybe this romantic story. They've kind of put together is maybe a little bit more complicated than he is kind of level on what they do miss, Arkansas. We're Francis with a high school, and when they learned they can't actually they're not allowed to visit the high school they decide to personally films crew making a sequel to the movie mud, which is filmed. They're called mud to never clean, which is good joke. But again, it's another one of the things like, okay, who's kidding? Is. This is this like you're actually invading a school ground by doing this show. This reason privacy issues are involved. It's another one of the things real is not real up getting in are they mocking the rube hanging. And then they find a yearbook in the nineteen seventy year book. There is Francis. At this point the chase is on we meet an age progression experts with amusing thoughts about gravity outer space and backup printers. We meet bills. Niece shelley. We'd be wrong. Francis. And we meet a dean Dong daddy from Dumas. But as it goes long, Nathan for use dots become about Lampson Ginza be Nathan's increasingly personal investigation into who Bill really is particularly when they find some old letters that Francis wrote to Bill these letters chronicled the breakdown of a relationship that was far more complex than the storybook version. Bill had given me and it did make me wonder if there was anything else he was hiding. I'm no, I'm not beautiful. And I'm not an actress, oh, she was beautiful come on. There are many things I do not know about you Bill. I can't believe that you're playing with my love. Why does she say she doesn't know you? There are many things I do not know about you. What does that mean? I don't. She couldn't figure wrote me. Can you figure out you? Myself. Sometimes I wonder. Yes. So Bill might be a prac- and even gets a little worse than he's incredibly inappropriate with an actress than another one of Nathan schemes hires to play Francis. We'll have some sort of sense of how to act when he actually meets her. Search bills memory through noses, though, Bill frankly, very much like me if I were on hypnosis can only remember old sports scores. Totally true. Then something then another the episode takes another kind of weird turn Nathan pirate escort. They Macy from in Arkansas to meet with Bill to see if he's autumn women. They weird concede that feels out of left field and straight in Bill refuses to hang out saying incredibly varied appropriate way. But Nathan's up hanging out with her because he's lonely in Arkansas, he ends up paying her to hang out. She's he's legitimately awkward, and we see them all together. And they seem to be bonding. And but it's also it's an escort in his how much is he messing with her. She missing with him increasingly increasingly difficult to figure out what is real. And what isn't is Nathan seeing a low minute's regret reflects like the Bill is this woman. He's just messing with us. And the thing that thing I kind of love the most episodes. It never goes in the direction, you think it's going to fielder said his favorite episodes of the ones that keep changing forcing him out of his comfort zone for seem to improv whizzy. Isn't expecting? But this is a story where can halfway through it becomes absolutely impossible to know, what to believe or who to believe or whether we should even be watching this at all. But the story of Bill marches on until at least they last they finally find Francis in drive to her front drive to front driveway. Bill is too scared to go in and he calls her on the phone. She's actually happy to hear from him. But she also has her own life. And you also wonder if Bill was just maybe playing to the cameras the whole time. Anyway, I should American. You. Maybe you know, you know, how it is. Visual. Really? It was angry children. We have a trend granddaughters. Three years. So as the call went on fifteen minutes in Bill still hadn't mentioned to Francis that he was right outside of her house. What do you remember most about my mother? Like me what? Yeah. So it's actually a real person. This is all this all this is all going on Bill eventually leaves without meeting with her in a moment of actually the first of the moment of self awareness seems to have in the whole episode and they go back to Los Angeles. So. They come back to Los Angeles seem Nathan talks about how he is a is a little dissatisfied to going back and going back to his show. Bill comes back to the office. And now tells Nathan he wants to get together with the actress that was pretending to be Francis. That he was inappropriate within the first place on their blurring fix than real life. Meanwhile, Nathan hits back to Arkansas to meet Macy for his happy ending with came RAs everywhere in the drone shot and revealing the artifice or does it. I don't know. Kind of weird having cameras around right? We could turn them off with you on. Could we? Do you wanna? I feel like that just that defeat the purpose. I don't know. What's the purpose? You're filming something kind of the purpose. Right. Errol MOS Errol Morris wrote is review of this the New Yorker that this episode actually disoriented his reality to quote him. We all know, it's a TV show. We all know, the entails element of artifice. But where does the artifice begin in end when they've been Macy kissing front of the cameras is it just a queasy stunt, maybe Nathan view is ultimately a better unfettered capacity for credulous trilogy deficit, but juvenile not just as spin of disbelief, but the acceptance of the preposterous in quote. The show is a deep dive into the bizarre psyche of two men look at the concepts of television in documentaries in popular culture. And also its own insane way. It's both really disgusting in also kinda weird sweet love story, and yet also really gross again, it kind of blows my mind the more. I think about it. And therefore, even though I have never quite got my arms around of why find myself thinking about this episode all the time, I still humbly nominated for the Kim. Thanks, Sarah, should go first because she has experienced finding people from her old job at Barnard. Yeah. This is what we I mean. Let's start with some basic weirdness. Which is that Nathan fielder. Looks a lot like Jay Baer shell and sounds a lot like James who made Hoop Dreams. Sort of like both fighting that the whole time had giving into it. Also that URL Morris wrote a whole book about how fucking Jeffrey MacDonald's innocent like have seat a war as he isn't. So that's where I sort of came in with this. But. There is a lot about this whole setup that is it feels like a setup. So I feel. As the tin about engaging with it on the on the same level of lake Ernest sincere. Admiration for the art of its artifice that Errol Morris is doing because I feel like I'm just going to get made fun of for not understanding which parts of it were real which parts of it weren't. But to Will's point like it's been kind of with me for a few days. Now granted in the manner of poppy seed that stuck under thumbs. But that counts if by inducting things into the canon, we're talking about things that are important or different as well as. You know, made us left made us cry were better than at least one cat than you have to you have to include if to include episodes like this that have a. Or Melissa I make a formalist contribution with all of that said overall. This reminded me of a too long. Episode of the mystery show. They would remember that guy that it's like why I mean, I did find people aback when you had to use a dialup connection at the office of alumni records. And like there are are easier ways to to find people and far easier ways to make googling and going to records offices visually interesting and not quite so painful and awkward and rube Goldberg Aeon as setting up a fake leg. Whatever fifty seventh reunion in this town that he's not from hiring an actor to play rance's and and flying her from LA too Little Rock. That was weird to me. You, sir. How many dates with Macy did? The production finance did clock that her hair like the ponytails like identical like continuous for one. Like seeing that was supposed to be two weeks earlier to the next. I'm not sure where I'm not sure how the show wants me to feel about what it's satirizing. I'm not even sure what I'm what I'm voting for. But who am I where am I? What are we having the same experience of the word documentary and also the color green pass the ball? It's wearing off. So yeah, this really is like you could write a whole I think undergrad about this, and what you know about objectivity in documentary film. And and all that. But we're not here to do that. So I'm glad I I'm glad I got the Steve James. Observe me until like ten minutes ago. I couldn't quite identify who he sounded like, but yeah, this just felt like. It just felt a little arch and a little pleased with it self and a little. Like, it might be a little heartless and more interested in setting up the situations than in actually letting the story be the story and let this guy be himself. And let this love story be whatever it was going to be so, yeah, I don't I just don't know how to feel and I'm not sure how I'm going to vote, but mystery sho- like that that part of it always bugged me is that like just do the process until about it and stop being so Twee. So that might work against it in the end. But I'm interested to hear how everyone else received it because I have certain little lake stalking horses and play here that I don't think the rest of the panel cares about this kind of thing. So Dave, I didn't have a problem separating what was real what was fake in this. I thought it was pretty obvious. I mean, I think the basis we got this old guy who never really had a partner in life. Life and is engaging in spiralling fantasies about how he's going to make everything workout. That's real. I think that's where we start and then the production layers on all this Nathan for you esque situations, branded it's not in the most of it isn't in the comedic vein of other stuff. But there are situations that they are creating that is that are layered on top of that that are not credible to actually happen in real real life. Obviously, they don't make some of the stuff. They don't make any bones about like the fake class reunion that they do and the mud sequel stuff they do to get into the records. I mean, I didn't buy anything to do with Nathan and the escort that all was super fake, very contrived creepy. I thought everything to do everything to do with Nathan's contribution to the story. Got in the way of what I thought the the compelling part of the episode was was was this this guy who is either a loveless donnas luck, dude. Or maybe he's actually like this. Durst the second like it was. He did have some dursey woman's. Like where I thought it was going to take a darker turn that ended up taking, but it kind of felt like he was going to end up being kind of this Stocker that she got away from or something like that didn't add to being the case just ended up that he was sort of just the dick and got what he deserved and never really found anybody after her and that part of the journey just to see this guy kind of not quite come to terms that this is all on him was interesting the stuff at the end where he boy he wants to get together with the actress court sort of like for me that was the most telling part of the documentary as far as his character goes like, okay, he just wants to not be alone. And as this guy's like at the end of the day. That's what this guy is after it's not really about Francis. Particularly it's about he doesn't wanna tire loan. These old. He's an old, dude. Who by the way, does not look like Bill Gates? No, not even like, he talks embarrassing. I mean, you know, all those kind of impersonators are very disappointing in that way. But yeah. And the stuff with Nathan and Macy the escort. It was just it. I didn't buy that like at all. And if the exercise of this episode was to blur the lines between what is real. And what is the documentary between two to sort of create this false twin road between Nathan's emotional journey and bills emotional journey. I don't think that would part was successful. I found the part with Bill. Very compelling. I I think that was that was fine as it is. And I thought that the Nathan's stuff they, you know, the Nathan toppings. They put on top of the Bill Sunday were took away from what I thought was most interesting also, I don't think really necessarily achieve. Leave what Nathan was going for on this episode to me Tara, always sorry. But just wanna say that was really compelled with it. And it did stick with me. Obviously, I'm still thinking about it. It works on a on a entertain me level. But like I feel like if this is presented as a thesis or something in a lecture or seminar. I would like able to pick it apart easily. You know what I mean? Yeah. I came to this show with a lot of the same from a lot of the same angles. As will. I also was uncomfortable with the way the show judged. It's real people participants. Also, I'm not intimidated fan. And I also had heard a ton about this like, you know, people tweeting that finding is the best film of twenty eighteen or twenty seventeen whatever it came out. But but watching it I mean, if the if the point of it is to make the viewer question like what a documentary is on a fundamental level like fine. But I don't I don't think that's where they started out from the point is it's not where we started from. But it's where we ended up. I mean, fine again, but like on every level just found frustrating to watch like when they by the time they bring in the the age progression. Est. It's like why did they not start by going to Little Rock and hiring a private investigator? Like if you're really serious about finding Francis in the most in the. Most efficient way that is what you would do. But that would mean you couldn't represented as though the production or Nathan or whatever was in Little Rock this hanging out for weeks, which I do not believe they say they've they did. I don't believe that's true. I don't buy the bills grand niece or whatever to stay in the house for that long. 'cause she seemed like he creeped her out also. But then at the same time if then you'd say, okay Francis, isn't the point. It's an investigation into Bill. It's not even really an investigation into Bill. So the only the only point I feel like I'm being pushed toward is. Ultimately when we hear Francis. We see her Facebook page, we we hear her on the phone. We never actually get to see her is like sort of the same thing. That's being brought up this week in light of the case against Adnan Siad on on HBO that that I think it was on Abell last week. There was opposed. That was like just a reminder that Han may lease family did not ask for any of this. And it's the same thing with Francis. Like, she didn't ask for any of this. She didn't even know bill's voice like she obviously has not been pining away for him. And what happened actor, right? The other thing. Well, sure, but like, let's let's grant that if that was the real Francis. Like what happened when she watched this? When she watched fucking Nathan fielder sit on a motel bed and read letters that she wrote to. Bill in the fifties allowed to this camera. Like, if the point of this is to say, well, all documentaries are ultimately as as queasy and exploited as Nathan for you is on a smaller scale in every other episode when it's, you know, making small business owners look dumb like this. This is the same thing. It's just dressed up to look fancy. Like this. Did not have the same experience that you guys. Did it did not stay with me for for days afterwards? I just got to the end of it. And was like well that happened. Like, it was it just felt like crazy self-indulgence with no purpose. And if that is what I'm supposed to take away with from it and say, all documentaries are that. I mean, okay thing that you bring up. It's interesting that you bring up the non Siad projects because that has been a topic of discussion. But like, I watch so many of these documentaries for water presents, and there is always this. The line is always in a different place. Like, this is informative and how much this is advocacy, and how much of this is exploiting people who made the story happen by being killed. And and no longer speak up and be like, please don't read my fucking journal to Amy Berg's camera crew. So I guess I sort of even without being conscious of it. I sit with this allot right more than I thought I did. And I also sit with ticks of the format. So when they get back to the hotel, and there's this like portentous voiceover about. When they get back to their hotel room of was on the loose like that has to be shading like the entire category of long form features at the Academy Awards, but like you just made one. So who's the eh? Asshole. Now, right. A lot of ways about this vote. Vote. I have one note, which is this episode produce what I think is the most cringe-worthy watch through your fingers seeing where Nathan goes the extra step with the escort pays a little money for the heavy petting package or something, and they have this like they're kissing and they're just like kissing for like a minute and a half straight with no dialogue, just like. Yeah. It's it's gross. It's just goes on and on a baby so uncomfortable. I mean well done to make you feel uncomfortable. But it was good relief. After the dancing to me until you. Oh. I mean, I guess boils down to what is the actual purpose of this episode. And did you buy it? You know, like did you buy into that premise and for me? I feel I see where reality stops and production begins, and I didn't really find. I found it interesting. But I found it frustrating as well. So I go to say, no, Sarah. I mean, there was a be on the loose. LA you have one more second to decide because I'm also gonna vote. No. So all right. Well, I was going to vote. Yes. Just because I I think that it was interesting. And I think the fact that I am still trying to work that poppy seeds looses worth something. But I'm never watching this or any other episode again, thanks will. Welcome. Sorry. I'm sorry will the streak is broken. That's right. Tell you that Nathan for you. Well, this last dish case. Enjoy gave. No, I'm just saying enjoy time without me. No. We'll each trying to make a meta commentary on candidates emissions with his division season for episode bait. Finding francis. I'm sorry. But it is not inducted into the extra. American love winter. And we'll not tolerate a little no it's time for winner. And a loser of the week. Tara has our winter. Well, I mean, really it's all of us who are winners to have had silver haired. Fox's in our lives such as these I jet Allen late of Santa Barbara. And of course, rush Sanders on Beverly Hills nine or two has passed away alas we lost him. But also Alex trebek's announced last week that he has stage for pancreatic cancer. Did it in a very classy way on the show? And it's funny. When news like this happens, usually, it's like people come out of the woodwork to say what awful things Elster Beck ever did. And Alex trebek's apparently is an unhittable people were super upset about this news, just nothing but love for Alex trebek's and for jeopardy, and a I've saw a lot of people being like this is like I'm going to cry. If he was my dad. Like, it's really I mean, judging by the reaction to this. When lavar Burton dies there will have to be a national day of mourning. But yes, shout out to these to these two cotton tops who brought us so much joy and losers week, sir. Sir. Bear talk rec- L O L. I had such choice paralysis with like, which pun to go with like Otto, what your life it deed. Wait. I do American crime gets a season for more like fuller. Big house. My right. Okay. Here's what happened. Peration city blues in an attempt to root out college, admissions corruption has scored several dozen charges and arrest of privileged parents including actors Laurie Laughlin, and Felicity Huffman, the defendants collectively paid twenty five million dollars to vicious counselor named William singer who played guilty singer allegedly bribed. College officials coaches and college entrance exam administrators then help students secure admissions not on their merits, but through fraud, leaving aside the fact that the entire college admissions processes stacked and somewhat fraudulent without going into my usual, please pay the athletes NCWA rant. I will say that some of the little details of this case are aware cuts. Funny. The photo shopping tardy talk a little that because. Oh, yeah. Just like. One of the ways that this fraud was perpetrated was that they would just Photoshop like the applicants heads onto other real athletes. And like, you know offer. Well, this you know, we have a picture of him playing lacrosse, well, the school doesn't have a lacrosse team. But I don't know. I guess I can work with this. Like, it's just it's the most bananas scam case it again leg like, Alex trebek's diagnosis. It is United all of Twitter one cause which is ranking on film age Muffin and aunt Becky because of the two people who could have done this like two more lifetime movie ass actors pull this shit off like everyone going through their Twitter feeds and like re tweeting incriminating stuff, it's it's amazing. It's just been it's been a joy to follow the story today. I have to say pet Kiernan tweeted not long ago is it too soon to serve fit see casting the. Movie. And I was well. Yeah. Or that book to the Hudson university admissions off. But I want to like fantasy cast the director of the HBO documentary about it will also add that Lori Loughlin and husband agreed to pay bribes totalling half a million dollars. Half a million dollars. So the team at C yet to their so their kids could go to USC and the one kid is like a YouTube influencers who's been already open about not wanting to go to. Yeah. Has an Amazon partnership like has been posting Amazon student or whatever it's called ads on her Instagram. Yeah. Might want to take next semester off some more Olivia Jade news that I read this right? Basically all the money went to one guy who's the conduit to bribe people is that how it worked out of this was going. That's that's a kind of smart. I remember when the first time my parents bought a car when I was like old enough to realize what was going on. They hired some guy to call all the car dealerships and find the best price deal finder. But yeah, yeah. Sort of like that, but you know, for your kids education and illegal. I kind of admire in a way all this to go to OJ's alma mater, offline 's aim different shout out to my dad who never sends me any kind of show biz news. But did send me a story about this from inside higher Ed because my dad. A university registrar, and sent me the only story that didn't have the names Felicity or lorry in the headlines like they were buried several paragraphs down in the inside higher. Ed right up which was adorable. What else is buried in the inside. All right, everybody. This is the seventh game time of the season. Get a load of these standings, Sarah, d bunting four points are one point die. You guess one point today we're playing the back half of last week's. That's what it's cold from Joe who earns another extra topic. Of his choosing. Okay. To remind you. I'm going to give the song title and the artist emperor three points. Utomi what TV show that song served as the theme for you can guess freely at the three point level. And if you don't get it, right? I will play you a snippet of the theme after which the correct answer is worth one point make sense. Yeah. Remind me how many sorry remind me how many points it is. If we guess just on the title, three points for your out of the blue side one point after the clip. Thank you note that the artists is usually the performer sometimes a song writer, I'm not gonna tell you which one it is figure it out steel mill situation pleased her Sarah. And I each have one steal meal guests era. I'm sorry. We'll all right. Let's throw to pick. You to see who is going to go first. We'll start with valued guest. Oh, all right. Well, we'll start with you is everybody to play. That's what is called partout. No, what's the rest of the order. I always forget the rest of the order is Tara, Tara will Tara, Sarah. I apologize. Here. You go will I will give you the name of the song and the artist if you know, the show it is theme for let me know if not we'll go to the clip the song. Bo picky. The song is heavy action by Johnny Pearson. You know, what that is? Will I think I do is that Monday night football. A little bit of extra hot great trivia, these back part of this which starts right after that clip is the inspiration for our theme here at extra great. Actually, we used it back out for like the first episode of the first run. So to Tara me. Yep. There's another easy one. Liberty bell March by John Philip Sousa. This is Monty python's flying circus. Refuses to end Sarah d bunting way down in the hole by Tom waits. Those by ringtone for a while. That's the wire. Watch. Tom waits and red Foxx might be the same person. Together. Back to will funeral March of a marionnette by Charles good node. Hint. All right. Your hint is this clip. In west showed. That is from. That is Alfred Hitchcock presents are, correct. I want to say the back half of this game is definitely harder than the first half. Who played last week? The first three are definitely the easiest of the bunch. So. Not going to be quite as easy for you. This week backed aura all look by Luchino Leaney. Rollock hint clip. Curb your enthusiasm, Sarah, d bunting maternal Primorye remorse by Mark snow. There's a good. Thira Primorac by Mark snow doing penalized for guessing getting around. No, okay. Game of thrones. Are incorrect. Your is. But. The show. That's the X-Files as one point back to Tara. Nope. Back to will. Who is like Tara, many ways your other way, cosy in the rocket by sap? He S A P P believe it's pronounce sad. Place. IRA here is your clip of cosy in the rocket. I had a little trouble this because here's a little clue. Casey don't know. Trouble trying to track down on YouTube clip of at the beginning of the shows. I could see no longer use as far as I can tell. So this is sort of like an earlier season the. This show. I I think my mother shed off to Sally Leach for knowing that this is early Grey's anatomy. Okay. To tara. Final frontier by Ernest gold. Ernest gold here is the songwriter to see now is it Star Trek is it Star Trek. About you. Actually, I just want to correct myself. I'm not entirely sure use this. You might have been the first performer, and I know there was some stuff where the the commissioned some guy to do it. Then Paul Reiser did it or something like, yes. Sarah, d bunting straight up and down by the Brian Jonestown massacre. Straight up and down. You watch Edson Benson. For that break at any point cut. It doesn't. What's that show going to be so mad, but I don't I don't know breaking bad. It's uprating. That was boardwalk empire. Or of course, it was. Okay. Here is everybody's last question for the first score break for will hay beautiful by the solids. I know I should be tossing guest. But I've just as her, but I'm not gonna do it. So maybe. That show is it how I met your mother is an playing that song take this can't be the right song. That is like the end of the song. Which is a weird thing to get like, you know, hey, we wanna use your song for the the into the last two redoing the law. The dust part though, not the actual song. Thanks, guys. Here's ten thousand dollars by. All right. Tara, are you reading? We're talking Iran. John's rock by Dominic Hauser God. What if that was right? We just yell. Bosch. Improvement. Trying to honestly, I I was fumbling with the soundboard because my shoulders not workings. Right. This week still. I'm a little slow apologies for like clips and stuff like that. But I was really trying to stop it. Sorry. Moving on to Sarah baby mumbles by cheap trick baby mumbles by cheap trick. Any clue? The idea what show de show that seventy. That show. I don't know. That's the Colbert report. That is good for one point on the steel well done, and that brings us into our very first and really only scoring. Close game. I now has been points will has six points. Sarah, d bunting has four point. So you know, if that means you are. Or here ripe, rare cough that oh because you need three of these six trivial pursuit TV box questions from sometime in the mid nineties. If you get it, right? You get six points a lot of points here. Hey, last X what brass instrument did end e Taylor play in the Mayberry town band. The tuba. Oh. Was incorrect. Just wanna save. She gets all six, right? She gets doubles. That'd be like. Sitcoms. What outfit was Maxwell smart? The top spy four. Smersh was the villains. But I can't remember his actual outfits. Let's see Smersh. Control. All right dramas. What scifi shows good guys are boomer boxy Apollo jolly in starbuck. Oh battle stark electa. Kids and games. What show was host Jack berry suspended from during the payola scandal in nineteen fifty eight enabling him to take over concentration. Twenty one when he won is. All right. Well, this is do these two. I wanna see how close you have got. How many of Tom Bradford kids are girls on eight is enough. He's got eight how many girls three. And a wildcard what network broadcast the first World Series on TV in nineteen forty seven opens up to will to who can ask for the fast. I should know this. But I'm not sure ABC, let's say. It was NBC. You're both fire. I me from left field. Will has six I have seven, Sarah. Right. Took it up back to will. This is question. Thirteen of twenty one. Piano, sonata number twenty in a major by Schubert. I don't know don't know. But will you know after this? Just in case, you're confused out. There the engine in that wasn't part of the original composition. Wasn't wondering. Okay. That sounds like a hint wings. All right. It is for one point well done. Okay. To tara. Gotcha. By Tom, Scott. NYPD blue. And the guy who shows his ass NYPD blue. I still have no idea. It's I'm gonna say Barney Miller, but I know that's not right. That was Starsky and hutch. Oh, she seemed to change their theme. Like every season a couple of seasons to it's very confusing. That was one of them. Okay. Bad things. This is for Sarah bad things by jas effort. Bad things. Thanked Dexter Dexter goodness. When you came in. Any idea what that TV show? That's the theme for an answer. Anybody? No, no, I feel like I should that is true blood. Will this is your second? The last question we are talking that can't be right? No third to last question. I apologize. We are talking superhero by Jane's addiction. Superhero? Is it the onerous? Threes. Both scenes like too good and perfect for that show. Entourage. Farrell's voice. That's the only thing ever member about that show. Bless my happy home by Peter mats. And that is for Tara bless my happy home by Peter Mets. Matt Stor mama's family fuck. Genuine. Clem cadiddlehopper. Goodness. That was a stupid. Yeah. We're all tied at all. Right. This is for Sarah catharsis of sufferance by darling. Vol- letta. Even just reading that not doing what it is. Pledge that song good. Yeah. All right. The song title was catharsis of suffering. Is ambi- catharsis of suffrage colon live journal, Colin TV. The rest, I think you know it. Yes. I do. It's angel angel for one point. All right. Everybody has one question left, and Sarah is one point ahead of current and Tara very close. All-wheel? Are you ready? At least it was here by the eighty eight. I don't know, you don't know. But here's the song. All right. What shows that from? Well, actually, don't like the show. I'm going on record saying that I think it's community community. Puts you in a tie for first at the moment. Tara. A perfect lie by the engine room. Oh, no. Like, I know this one. Perfect lie. Engine room. Dull has I'm sorry dollhouses at least Dollhouse. God. Well, that's a mid WB shit. If ever I heard it. But I don't know what it is. I'm gonna say birds of prey birds of prey is incorrect, you're just going to give up on that one. By what you're saying anybody want to hazard, a guess there? That was nip tuck. Oh, all right. So it comes down to this. If Sarah can get any points. She wins not only the game. But the season. Are you ready, Sarah? Not really let us proceed anyway, second chance by Peter Bjorn and John. Is on again. All right. Can you name the show from this clip? The rest these more caldo. I can't guarantee you've never watched the show. Yeah. No. This is not something. I would want to just the shot in the dark name a TV show. That's been on in the past fifty years that you've never watched. Oh, what are those one of the one of the five Sarah before you guess what? If you got. If you be amazing. Remember mama's family. Seven hundred club. All right. Are you know, what it is? Is it to broker to broker is correct? All right. Tara peppy song? I we have at least a two way. Tie. Can we please get the official score break? Here the regulation. That is correct. I am out of contention with ten will. And Saturday venting are tied with. All right. That means our last clue is for all the marbles. I will read you the first clue after I have read the talent involved. You may answer. If after a few seconds. Nobody's got the answer. I will start playing the clip. Okay. Okay. Person shouted out wins look to user dough. What a gentleman already bunching. Are you Lockton? Yes. We'll each. Are. You Lockton your clue is the toy parade by David Kahn. The toy parade by David Kahn. Nobody's hazarding a guess getting close to the time. I will play the theme, and then people can shut it out whenever they want. Here. We go. Toy. This show. And we'll take rate at the end prologue season. At least John More week. Valued guest. Oh well. That is it for another episode of extra hot great. We followed Ricky surveys into the afterlife before going around. The dial was stops at good girls creative galaxy and call the midway we undertook a taskmaster task for Joe and will unsuccessfully brought us a little Nathan for you for us or the cannon. We crowd winners and losers of the week. And will was the winner of this week's game. Remember? I am David Cole thanking you for all your well wishes last week on behalf of tar area. Sarah, d bunting. There was a be on the loose and Willie. I'm I'm still looking for Francis myself listening everybody, and we'll see you next time right here on Xtra. You never very good. Every now nobody will. But you only. You all you, all you lovely. But you have certainly fucking useless. Mama's family. Fuck.

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Highway Hi-Fi Ep. 87: Satanic Fanatics - Sounds of the Occult

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Highway Hi-Fi Ep. 87: Satanic Fanatics - Sounds of the Occult

"Pain and beauty rebellion and unity knows and harmony. Celebrate the history of music with the Rock and Roll Hall. Of Fame, twenty twenty inductions honoring depeche mode the Doobie brothers. Whitney Houston. Nine INCH NAILS The notorious B I G. and T rex. Streaming November seventh on HBO Max. Head over to Pantheon PODCAST DOT COM backslash survey Dil out a few quick questions and be entered to win one of Thirty Limited Edition Hbo Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony Posters? Or One of thirty Doobie brothers live from the beacon. Theater. Blu Ray sets. And tune in on November seventh to be a witness to history. The Rock and Roll Hall of fame November seventh only on HBO Max. Welcome to the highway hi Fi podcast where we go track by track through the underbelly of music history using research trivia to locate the roots of our obsession with vinyl records. I'm joke and I'm Ryan congratulations you've found the Internet's finest podcast for music with an extra K. at the end. We're going to start this episode off. Some Trivia. In I'm GonNa Start Trivia off tonight with the non audio round and this one isn't even going to be about music. Oh, even more Halloween oriented is Spooky Voice. That is fool. Better sort of traditional on our Halloween episode that at some point, one of us does a bad Transylvania sent. Just knocked it out of the park check them box. There we go. We're done we can. I'll just get my wolf how in here and then we'll be done. We'll be done with the show. And that's not a Halloween thing that's it. No no, that's just usual painting. With so this Trivia, this is gonna be about creature features or shock movies. You remember those Friday and Saturday night horror marathons on local they put. A nightmare movies they could find and had like somebody dressed up like. A vampire hosting it. Yep Exactly What I'm GonNa do is I am going to name one of these hosts because they had incredibly great or just really awful names and I'd like for you to tell me if it is real or fake. Okay and if it's real, I'll see if I can't come up with a little bit of information about. Okay. That sounds sounds like a lot of fun. Do it. Okay? Number one sinister Seymour. I'M GONNA say that real that is real. Yup His real name was Larry Vincent and Why. Not Go with Larry Vincent that's like the most frightening name ever heard I know, right He sort of looks like a Zombie, Mark Twain but I don't think that was really what he was doing for. All right next one doctor mad blood that sound so bad. It's probably true. It is true. Yeah. Yeah. He was a horror host character who appeared on. Dr Mad bloods movie Dr Bad. Bloods. Night Visions and Dr Mad blood presents his show is a lot better than professor peaceful spital. About Sir Cecil Creek. I'm GonNa say you made that one up? Help it's Real It is a from the seventies in the it was originally in Nashville. But they also had a subsidiary Iowa I think. So they showed in Iowa's well. Let's try ned the dead mid the dead. NED The dead. That's real. It's real Green Bay in the eighties. NED The dead from Green Bay and the AIDS. Clever? Right. For Green Bay I think it's real clever. NEXT ONE UNCLE TED Ted. Uncle Ted. Gosh that's frightening in its own way I'm going to say that is real. It's real from Pennsylvania northeastern. Pennsylvania his name was actually Edwin Lynn Rob and he wore one of those fez caps. That's great. See Janda. Yeah. Like a Schreiner Google. I think most trainers are Google's. Upper when they help children. That's fantastic. We appreciate our shriners. Sir Graves Ghastly. It's a little on the knows. I'm. GonNa say. True. It is it's a Cleveland guy from the sixties. Muna Lisa. Fake. That's really good. That's a real help man. About. Coffin Joe. Not Cough cough. Cough. Fake. It's Real Dang they've all been real they one hundred percent real should've stuck with real. What's the over under on if Joe Biden it's cove adobe trump's nickname for him. About. The COOL GHOUL Gosh. I mean they've all been real so far but I think he made that one up at fake. It's Real Cincinnati from the Seventies Cincinnati guy he's he looked really good. He's. A hippie Zombie that's a good stick I like that idea. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's good. Switch it. Count Scary. Think, that's my favorite so far besides the Lisa. Count Scary. That's gotta be real. It is from Detroit Yeah. Dr. Vampire. Dr Vampire. Dr Vampire. Think. That's gotta be real. That's fake. Ma'am. Dr Sarcophagi. Oh i. hope that's real. It is real. Great. Actor creep was earlier Dr Sarcophagi. The first African American horror host on a great name. Deaths are Catholic. Guy Like that one. And then I'll do one more here. Go Lardy. GonNa be real. That's real Cleveland that's probably one of the. One of the more famous. That's great. Yeah. There's another great man. All right I'm going to go into the Audio Trivia. This is called ghost hunters. Your job is I put a bunch of. Ghosts from different songs and you just gotTa tell me how many you can capture. So, just give you a number. Yeah There's a bunch of singers singing ghost and just tell me the singer of the band as many as you can pick out. Okay. That sounds fine. Right. Here comes. It's going too fast. Rose drop. Right what the hell was that to capture any. Joe. Do you. Are you allowed to tell us how many are in there? Eighteen total okay. I may have gotten half okay. That's that's what I would expect. on one listen. That's rough. All right. You ready to go into this week's turntable talk. Yes. Every is talking me. I don't care where this. Act Goods. Rosemary Dixon was seven when she encountered her first spirit appearing rather suddenly the kindly old specter had long flowing white hair and a black cassock of a cleric. Rosemary was startled but not scared for. She had already known that she was likely clairvoyant as her parents and grandparents before her. The old ghost introduced himself as a composer and promised to her that he would return to give her music and make her famous. Without any further information, he'd dissipated into thin air and wouldn't materialize again to fulfil his vow for another forty years. Ten years after this strange meeting Rosemary. Realized that the man who had visited her was the Hungarian composer and Piano Virtuoso France least. Throughout her youth, she would have the rare brush with a phantom guest but for the most part, her life was exceptionally ordinary. She worked in the local south London Post. Office was married. Had A baby. It wasn't until nineteen sixty four that Rosemary Brown's world went all flippy floppy. Both her mother and husband died suddenly creating an emotional downward spiral and a financial hardship on top of this she was injured at work leaving her prostrate and housebound to stave off boredom. She decided to sit at an old second hand piano. The family had acquired years ago. As a child she spent a couple years taking lessons but hadn't played since. She later, fingers on the dusty keys when an odd sensation began to flow through her her hands were being directed by someone or something else as if she'd given up keyboard and mouse. Control. She played several bars and was left muddle headed at her own nimble playing and the beauty emanating from the old instrument. Soon, least made his presence known and compelled her to start writing down the notes he was communicating through her he was gifting her his music. least became a frequent visitor to the Brown household but he wasn't alone. It seems he'd invited a procession of gentlemen callers to Rosemary who all also happened to be the world's most preeminent dead composer's. She commuted and transcribed works for many of the masters including Brahms Bach Rachmaninov Schubert Grieg Tabuchi Schumann. Stravinsky and Mozart. They had each conveniently learned English by the way. Rosemary became quite busy with transcribing, working tirelessly to capture every note that passed through her. Each couple meister had his own way to utilize Rosemary's unique services. Some composers like least directed her hands others simply pushed them. Schubert Scream sang his new works at our face. Beethoven grumpily grumbled his compositions well, asking her to repeat herself a lot. She amassed hundreds of compositions of dictated works from the decomposing composers. Around the same time. Brown to become involved in the church spiritualism despite her limited of skills she would play Oregon at the Ball Ham spiritualist church where people began to take notice of these confounding intricate in gorgeous melodies upon hearing the origin of the music. The spiritualist were eager to show off the meek homemaker medium who was channeling music from beyond the grave. Her renown grew exponentially soon, she would be invited to give performances and talk about her piped-in talents. She appeared on the Johnny Carson Show and was the subject of a BBC documentary and which she discussed the moment she received this stunning work from beast called group ally or the brooding. She released an album called musical sounds with seventeen original compositions that for legal purposes were claimed to be simply. Inspired by these famous symphony. Eventually. Not on dead musicians would seek her out for consultations and to have her relay messages to the Masters Her relationships with the departure geniuses went beyond professional rosemary clip coupons with least watch stories with very agitated and melodramatic. Chopin. One time in the eighties John Lennon. Like a dead man transmitting three songs and bestowing upon her messages for the youth like don't use drugs and. Paul isn't here. Brown had dialogues with young Einstein. Shell. Took psychic painting at the behest of Vincent Van Gogh and Samuel Palmer completing new works by both. Rosemary Brown's claims have long been questioned and ridiculed by skeptics. On numerous psychological tests demonstrated that she was of sound mines. and pain reminds me believe these works to be crypt Anisia sprung forth from her unconscious renderings of slanted interpretations of the greatest masterworks. Some claims, she's a huckster Flimflam and an opportunist who found a stick to monetize her savant like ability for classical music mimicry. Others claim that her music represents a form of conceptual art by women of unprecedented talent. But who is bound by social gender constraints unable to unveil her natural abilities. Even, more sinister. The notion that these works were the manifestation of demonic possession that granted the poor woman no respite from work, a musical bombardment that allowed her no peace in her lifetime. Almost. All agree that there was something genuine and her sincerity and belief in the source of her music. All this leads to the question of what if. What if Rosemary is exactly as she says a medium. What if there are unseen forces in the creation of this music? What if spirits have found ways to communicate and make further contributions to society? What's the role that living humans play in this dance with the unknown? Are We simply spinning wet clay at night while the Patrick swayze's of the underworld grind and dry hump their spirits into us if only. Can we actively participate in paranormal projections through music or can music be truly guided and assembled by reaching the supernatural? Rosemary Brown's musical medium media came at a pivotal turning point in the perspective on the occult role in Popular Culture Spiritualism, which emphasized a healthy and productive relationship with otherworldly forces was given way to satanism which focused on the dark and destructive nature of the unknown. The PSYCHEDELIC era embrace both of these dueling concepts engaging with the Colt in a means of changing normal everyday life. Perhaps in a desperate effort to regain control of a topsy turvy mortal coil that seemed to be slipping further into a chaotic shit storm. Whereas spiritualism looked at communing with the past. A New Era saw dark magic as a means of forward-looking transcendence and detaching yourself from what is earthly and now. Outward practices became personal preferences and eventually the spiritual substance and a deference to other planes of existence would be completely replaced by aesthetics and subculture identity politics. The auditory products that are made with an ear for the unknown are fascinating relics. Some believe what they are hearing are examples of mass delusion. Believed that they are powers that should have never been on earth who some believe. They are misunderstood manifestations of science who? Is it the ungodly work of degenerate fiends or feigned evil of unenlightened opportunities. Either way you'll be left dismayed, disgusted, disturbed, delighted, and full of dread as we've entered through darkened hallways of paranormal recordings Satanic Priest Rituals Spell Incantations Occult Rock and Pagan Folk. So light. Your Black Candle. Dust off your grim Warr pour some blood in your school goblet. Evoke you're anti Christ. Both your crystal ball and sacrifice him if you got him. Today. We explore the history of a cult sounds. Oh. Almost as long as humans have mastered the ability to record the environment around them, they've desired to record the world that is just beyond them. A perfectly logical endeavor as all recorded music is somewhat supernatural specially when cocaine and LSD involved. Recorded sound is by its very nature taken from another place distant place and thrust into a moment where it doesn't belong and couldn't exist without human manipulation. The technology then lock these past dimensions surely must stop there what other realms can be explored. Spiritualism swept through European and American households during the second half of the nineteenth century as people were inclined to think that not only were disembodied souls and visibly relaxing everywhere. But that these unseen presences desperately wanted to spend their eternity answering questions letter by letter on Ouija boards. Furthermore, it is believed that these spirits had some sort of moral and ethical superiority. Since they were dead. And Guide US lowly meet Bags Toward Fia Sophal, enlightenment and unique forms of hidden. Knowledge. The craze is often traced back to the Fox sisters who began a relationship with an entity called Mr Split Foot, which I think was a band we covered on this rock episode. Mr. Split Foot resided in the walls of their New, York. They would ask questions and the spirit would answer with slow purposeful knocks. News of this Auden scary story of the sister mediums who could commune with the underworld through this wrapping traveled far and wide. Soon. The Fox became famous and performed all over the country igniting a fascination with the ability to communicate with the dead. Now. What was something between a mass religious movement in Popular Culture Obsession soon was a foot all sorts of supposed-. Human conduits. Any number of link practices, Spirit photography automatic writing Sanchez's possession dolls, ectoplasms table tipping. Demography which is fun skin writing. And Spirit trumpets which. Basically. Charlie Brown's parents bitching him from the bowels of Hell. On stages, an parlor rooms, there was an insatiable curiosity for medium ship. Even historical haughty slash beard Mary Todd Lincoln hosted a trance medium in the Crimson Room of the white. House? Probably to ask the ghosts of Thomas Jefferson where he put the real copy of the constitution. Or maybe where he took his constitutional. Turn of the century, the fervor four spiritualism had not waned at all technology provided new modes of inter dimensional communication in particular the invention of the phonograph as a means for recording sound was a huge advancement. Presence Supernatural ordinary could be documented for the first time and spread much farther than previously. The need for perpetuating the validity of spiritualist techniques meant that all sorts of paranormal events were recorded in saved? The wealth of field records or a fascinating look into the practices of the day. Many are absolutely terrifying. Anthropologist Baltimore Bogoraz accidentally recorded the earliest known instance of electronic voice phenomenon in nineteen a one. And I loved him in that seventy show while using a phonograph to capture the spirit conjuring ceremony of the Shaman of an indigenous Siberian tribe. He noticed on the playback that there were strange voices loudly motoring in some language that resembled English and Russian. The recording has been studied over countless times by physicists, and the MVP is still inexplicable. Off. Only. Halfway across the world around the same time comes this recording of a magician singing a night cure for an ailing patient. The sonic equivalent of take two aspirin and call me when you are in mourning. Is. Perhaps. The easiest method of shooting the Shit with the folks from the great beyond was using medium ship. Those with the gift can allow their body to become a vessel for communication. Mediums would relinquish consciousness to clear the path for a domineering specter to start pontificating at the audience. Hears a recording from nineteen, thirty, three of trance breathing, which is the preparation for the connection with the dead and also a recording of successful medium ship in Germany. Why Of Legal? Line. I will be. Coma. Cut. The throat if I. have. To. Before. Your head off. You Shit Go. Off Guard. Were more formal ceremonies that use concentrated group think to halo specific spirit to coming out at the party. It became fashionable for mediums to hold seances to evoke the souls of dead celebrities. For example, here's the British psychic. Leslie Flint Channeling. HOTI SLASH BEARD CHARLOTTE Bronte. Jonah. Harry Houdini was distraught after the death of his mother in nineteen thirteen and attended senses an attempt to find closure. But instead became enraged mediums that he thought were clearly deceiving poor grieving souls Houdini used his knowledge of stage magic trickery to expose and humiliate as many mediums as he could. As fate would have it after his untimely death. His wife best would hold yearly stances to see if any of the supposed- beckoned spirits would know the preordained secret message a living Houdini set up to continue his skeptic crusade after death. Still. He never could escape the curious craze as they still are holding seances for Houdini who apparently hasn't gotten the message. Nonetheless, sounds records became popular souvenirs for alleged contacts with the dead. Here's a Hunk, a hunk of burning trans dimensional linkage from the nineteen seventy-nine, Elvis Presley seance record. He's is. Coming into some understanding and Houston it's about. It was a lot of time wasted a lot of time wasted. He's good. He. Cried and cried and cried the death of his mother. alleged. Yes. Yes. Because now he realizes he could have. Done more. Is. Left a job unfinished virtually fears is lifted unfinished. And is it like that particular recording that was left literally half Delvis clearly wanted a little less conversation in just one more fried peanut butter sandwich with a side of amphetamines. Rosemary Brown wasn't the only musical chandler on the scene. Here's a clip of nineteen year old Leo allowing the billowing tenor of legendary opera clown Caruso to flow through him. Still, sometimes, communication goes a bit awry in the medium starts spewing out some crazy ancient language Zena. Glossy is a step beyond just your run of the mill. Glossy Laleia as the entranced person is not only speaking a language that they have no way of knowing but they are speaking a language that no one has ever heard. GIBBERISH. See if you can decipher. Banta speech from nineteen, Forty Eight. Hours all. Out On. Our. Our. Office. All Allaster Crowley who will circle back to in a minute was particularly adept at Zine IGLESIA and spitting hot fire at his Golden Dawn Dot's. Overly they hey, the La Tom. AUTHOR REMOVAL RAILCAR UP HERE A. Those him. God on. Aaron Yard on Hang. Oh Damn movie news. On Donna. DOT meal. Go Hey. Even, Thomas Edison, let his devil may care attitude plan to build a working dial a ghost spirit phone. He proclaimed that his proposed technology would be powered by any sort of a cult or media means, but rather his phone to talk to dead people was constructed from straight science. Edison was long fascinated with the world beyond the veil and had invented a few less than effective spirit detecting devices. The. News of the spirit phone endeavor went viral though mostly as joke. Unfortunately the wizard of Menlo Park never actually was able to get around to constructing his spirit phone that worked or LC certainly would have called up his recently deceased frienemie Alexander Graham to tell him to suck his bells. In Twentieth Century Mystic's particularly in Germany became fascinated with the capturing of paranormal music, which is music that has no physical source music just is often resounding from the halls of Castles Churches Palaces hotels. Country Homes. For centuries, listeners were passive in this eerie phenomenon until recording technology came along and provide a means of sharing music emanates from the ether. Listen to this area enchanting tune recorded by P falters inner that wouldn't be out of place coming from the BBC radio phonic workshop. Aw. Occasionally. You might inadvertently crash Ghoulish Karaoke night. When you have an eternity kill, you might as well spend a few nights with Casper and the boys belting out my way. A stunning female Sean. Entity. Paranormal researcher Dr Melvyn Willin sounds like one of those late night host. I think his middle name is Irwin Bartholomew I thought it was Dr Melvin Ib Willin Dr Willan is a master of the understatement when he states that documentation of musical haunting 's are highly unreliable. However concludes that despite large amounts of research presenting plausible explanations of paranoia music, subjective experiences can never be fully discounted. When we were looking this up or at least when I was looking up these phantom sounds I came across a interesting article about. People who hear voices and songs in their heads and it was really interesting that I know it has nothing really to do with Wilbur we're talking about here but I thought it was fascinating that they explained the phenomenon by saying that your mind is always looking for things that are familiar. So in any sounds that. That person or those people who suffer from that. Here their minds are kind of turning it into songs that they that they have learned in the past they're generally kind of. Fairly familiar songs not maybe not quite happy birthday but something along those lines. Well, that's. A lot of what people say was happening with. Rosemary Brown. Is that she just kind of subconsciously changed music. She knew changed this classical music she knew to become something else and then just found a way to. Deal with the cognitive dissonance of this music she was hearing. By saying, Oh, I must be I must have been gifted this music but that song that we played not the not the singing ghost but the one before I don't know if that came out of nowhere like I don't know if it was paranormal music or what, but it's incredible. Fast with it and. I looked far and wide to find out if I could find information about it and I couldn't. But I want to because it's just pardon the expression it is haunting. It just feels like this powerful thing back. that. Supposedly came out of nowhere. I am certainly not willing to believe any of this stuff but yeah, that is really cool. Clearly the idea of music having some sort of sway in the metaphysical world certainly predates recorded sound. The Catholic church banned the musical interval of the tri tone or diminished fifth dubbed the devils cord. The foreboding sound made by a combination of simple notes was thought to be addictive while provoking uncleaned sinful thoughts in listeners much like listening to Abba. Eventually. The handle of Devil's music would be hung on Jazz Blues and early rock and roll. That what is new misunderstood and different Shirley hails from a hellfire. This concept would eventually be embraced by musicians. The most terrifying field recordings are those of possession malevolent forces entering an unsuspecting person to wreak havoc and destroy a soul from within. Like a Jimmy Chunga. There are ample recordings out there of extra systems and suppose it possession. But one of the most famous is that of the Enfield Poltergeist possession from nineteen seventy eight when two young girls Janet and Margaret were the center of a controversial media frenzy around a demonic entity, which was supposedly terrorizing the children by moving around furniture knocking on the walls, throwing objects around the room and levitating the girls. At one point the dark spirit who called himself bill who? Inhabited the two girls and answered the questions of paranormal researcher. Maurice, gross. Brace Yourself. Now. Love Saving. Shut. Shake. Another immensely disturbing but important tape-recording was the exorcism of analysts Michelle by Priests Arnold Rennes. Off. You mentioned to me that affect. That me as. Head Hartnett. Why do I suddenly have a hankering for some split pea soup. While there's a whole realm of discussions about the authentic of spiritualist possession recordings, which should also factor in mental illness religiosity and just straight up possibility of hoaxes that is well outside the purview of this episode. What is certain is that these field recordings perpetuated the pop culture fascination with the Colt into a more modern era. I the occurrences were convincing enough to lend credence to the possibility of the existence of unknown worlds. Secondly, demonstrated the power of audio technology as a means of interacting with things both evil unseen. Finally, they furthered the. That people naturally have about the great beyond what clues we can gather on the side of the celestial curtain. Paranormal recordings are only half of the equation for the rise of a court records in the late sixties and Seventies. The other half involves the canonizing a freethinking occultist who actively pursuing means of harnessing. Dark As spiritualism waned satanism black magic witchcraft, blue divination astrology, and all sorts of everyday practical sorcery solely crept into the forefront of the shadowy parts of modern life. Alister Crowley is the foremost figure in the occult revival and his presence still looms large modern culture. A product of the magic and occultist revival of the late nineteenth century in Britain Crowley's teachings style and image has had success of influence on any number of peripheral subcultures, beats hippies, rockers, punks, Ravers, goths, cult kids, furry. Crowley was a rich kid who rejected his parents Christianity to spend his youth writing poetry and climbing mountains. He. Eventually fell in with the hermetic or of the Golden Dawn and started learning ceremonial magic. Crowley was contacted by a supernatural entity. I was who mentally transported him the book of the law which would become a sacred text for the religion. He would found the Lima blending the ideas of spiritualism with ancient eastern theory and symbolism would be a blueprint to help mankind to enter the A on of horse a new era where humans would take control of their destiny and destroy fundamentalist beliefs through the use of magic and sex and sex magic and also drugs and. More drugs a shit ton of drugs. The magic championed was spelled with a K. at the end. The K. was used to signify the difference between his ritualistic practice and the parlor trick allusions. The extra is for psycho. Big Al embraced the self-imposed image of the beast six, six six as he found a life of near constant controversy as he wrote prolifically while living and intentionally amoral libertine and. Style of self importance and promotion. The press deemed him the world's wickedest man his dead is air was hypnotized and fear inducing the stories of Crowley's escapades or both numerous and lecherous. His writing is stark mysterious and often. Incomprehensible. Though, one can understand how he would draw people into his words. WanNa try have listened to the rare recording of him reading his verse lament the poet that I think was likely a prognostication of the coming of notorious demonic writer. Silverstein. Barron media mainly rain. I came from on. The world retain. I wrote them wisdom of the. Kid. Laugh. Newly. Or I didn't is carrying their. Goal married. Grains without the main. Main. Up, my shame, there have been some vinyl reissues of the few wax cylinder recordings if you're needing some fun tunes for your kids next birthday. Party. Speaking of Recordings Crowley, thought that music was best backwards. In his nineteen thirteen book magic volume for he encouraged fall to listen to phonograph records reversed in order to train the mind to think backwards by all means. Though his life ended in nineteen, forty seven with him poverty stricken, and in Relative Obscurity the myth of the man and his magic teachings found their way to seekers of Arcane wisdom and those who were trying to find a role model for the dramatic rejection of societal norms. In particular, the book of life and his intricately decorated Tarot deck top became a cult store classics that gave Crowley vitality long after his death. His most famous phrases were turned into a mantra for so many disaffected persons there is no law beyond do what Thou wilt every man and woman is a star. These short quotes would be a call to arms against Christianity and the structures of modern civilisation, a manifesto to self indulgence that would soon resonate far into youth culture as a bunch of longhaired heat in his had found their philosophical forefather. will return to see more about those long hairs and where they ended up in a moment. In England witchcraft had been banned for centuries until nineteen fifty one when the parliament enacted the fraudulent mediums act which allowed the practicing of cult religions. BURR prohibited making money off acts of prophecy telepathy clairvoyance in other supernatural powers. Gerald Gardner was a British civil servants who took a keen interest in the magical practices of the native peoples he experienced while in foreign lands. Eventually started writing papers on the matter and would float through different occult groups like the Rosicrucians and new force coven. After spending some time, it's haggling with Crowley Gardner put many of the various ideas together essentially forming the basis for the modern wiccan movement, his work, and the repeal of the craft man would propel a pagan revival in England in the fifties and sixties. And while England look towards its which he passed the Colton America was looking more towards fancy clothes while parties. Anton Zander Levay is probably the biggest reason that a cultism became cool in the sixties the in his home at an early age to join a traveling carnival he was disgusted by the moral hypocrisy. He saw men attending body late night shows on Saturday and tent revivals on Sunday morning. He was a musical prodigy and adept any number of instruments even having a short stint as the noblest for the San Francisco Ballet Orchestra. Once, he settled in California he did all sorts of normal stuff like having an affair with Marilyn Monroe or becoming psychic investigator for the police and started getting famous for his wild organ playing. Levine was a natural showman and people were drawn to him and his antics like driving a coroner's van around town or strolling around the block with his pet black Leopard Zoltan He was fashionable calm and well-spoken stark difference from the raving drug, Al Madman perception many people had of Mo- Satan worshippers. During this period, his non antic time was spent writing a gathering a group of disciples for his lectures on Magic and the occult in Nineteen Sixty one he founded the church scene which doesn't actually believe in the devil, but rather presents itself as skeptical atheist dismantling hall other formal religions in favor of rituals in living based on one's own belief. He wrote the Satanic Bible in several other books became a huge media presence people especially, celebrities flocked to his lavish style and freethinking ways. Levy was the Hugh Hefner of the underworld and the party scene around his church was chock full of drugs or Jeez, and music. Into, bring more people into the fold Lavar used records. The I was satanic mass which was in nineteen, sixty, seven recording of ritual the high priest performed at the Church of Satan headquarters the black. House. Saturday was the organ drenched ceremonial baptism of his daughter Zina. In the name of. Liz. Bailey all. And all you demons named and unnamed. Walkers Valve darkness. All. Things twisted have seen creatures ratings. The swearing logging bail at a time and space night. Draw Year. Ten Indus- We Command you. The main new mistress? Zena. CREATURE ECSTATIC? Magical. With us. Welcome to your child joy sweep passions Dr. Product of the dog and the must feel if you're looking for something a bit more patriotic side be has avai reading from his unholy thome backed by the likes of John Philip Sousa and Richard Wagner Subtle. That some uplifting down falling blessed are the mighty minded for they shall ride the whirlwind. I it are they teach lies for true and the truth for lives for they are abomination. Thrice, cars are the we who's insecurity makes them vile for they shall serve and suffer. The Age South DC camera in the soles. Is. The Eternal flame of power grew joy wealth within the. The. Cover of the album spectacular a handmade looking drawn Pentagram with a goat's head in ancient looking lifts. Interest in the church fell off pretty quickly as the seventies progressed and the organization was embattled during the satanic panic. LE`veon's strangely be compelled to release more music. In the Mid Nineties Satan takes a holiday is a collection of idiosyncratic versions of torch songs from the Nineteen Twenties and thirties with a whirling synthesizer and his wife assisting vocals. Started Dancing Hughes Clyde and. He did the Jangle his way. Rather loudly began to shuffle POW the ask the wave say. Aw. One dedicated follower of l'Abbaye was underground filmmaker can of anger anger was additionally a devotee and practitioner of the Lima. The religion Crowley founded his movies were the embodiment of the subversive featuring surrealistic homoerotic occult scenes. His scandalous film. Lucifer rising was a touchstone of the era and as mentioned in the cult episode was scored by the families bird arrays hanger on. Bobby Beausoleil. and. owner. Eventually films like the exorcist, the Omon Rosemary's baby, the wicker man and witchfinder general would cover similar blasphemous and hedonistic grounds but anger was the originator of the sacrilegious style. As a respected artist anger was the link to the occult world for a lot of the British rockers and the Laurel Canyon seen. Another strange connection between the occult and popular music was that of legendary painter filmmaker folklorist musicologist Weirdo Harry Smith. Smith was long interested in Crowley, Tarot cards, and all manner of various shamanic practices. When his incredibly influential anthology of American folk music was released people were perplexed by the Al Chemical Instrument on the cover that he called the celestial mcchord. He'd often speak of his work in cosmological terms. He wants used Voodoo to try to raise the dead at the Chelsea Hotel and he drew up plans for the effort to levitated the Pentagon a stunt dreamed up by Allen Ginsberg and the thugs. Definitely deserving of a more complete look than this brief. Aside, Harry Smith's a cult proclivities must be acknowledged as a huge part of his looming figure in the world of folk music truly all popular, music? We kind of mentioned this, but we don't really talk about how with blues especially, there is kind of that a Colt presence with that Robert Johnson the Hell Hound. Talking about bones and stuff like that. It got that kind of unfair reputation. Mostly because it was like a literal demonization of black music but. We skip over that but a lot of folk music and always had that dark mysterious side with it to. The sixties presented a perfect storm for a cultism to seep its way into the counterculture social upheaval in a general sense of youth rebellion against the system open the door for practices from marginalized outside earned Bahamian groups to find a new life with hippies were seeking something new to completely separate themselves from their parents social religious and political ideologies. Rebellious mysticism began to take hold everybody from LSD tribes to. A Utopian commune's to the fringe ear Jesus People Movement, picked up whatever sorts of eastern esoteric philosophies that tickled unbathed fancies. The auspey Tibetan Buddhism Taoism. Yoga parapsychology than astrology the I Ching Tarot shock rose reincarnation, and naturally magical religions like witchcraft, satanism and paganism. Dubbing into an Anti-christian anti-capitalist in anti-conformist belief system was the ultimate subversive affront to the establishment. Not, to mention the teachings of personal liberation that was totally for drug use sex and unnatural. Accumulation of power. It's easy to pile on the hippies and blame them for all kinds of stupid shit like drum circles but shouli optimism. One more thing we can add to that list is the craze of instructional court records. These records were minor fad from about nineteen, sixty, nine to nineteen, seventy four, and for this episode, we're book ending them with nineteen sixty nine's witchcraft and magic adventures and demon. -nology in nineteen seventy, four hours. Mali's MALFA carom. The former is the first witchcraft record to be produced by a major record label capital. It's a perfect entrance record for pre which crafters as it provides a nice historical telling of witches from being burned alive in the Middle Ages to evaluate attempt to take down Hitler during World War Two by raising the cone of power. Another delight about this album is that it's narrated by the Prince of menace himself. Vincent price it is time to summon now the eagles. Had you scrupulously performed all the required. You now. All right. Then begin to recite the following conjuration with confidence and assurance high invoke, and command the case spirits. Bayou you. Is Mata. Bass put assigned. Come on Oh and if you can somehow find an original copy, make sure it's still contains directions for creating a hand of glory, which is a magical item of brake power made from the severed left hand of a hanged man. Nineteen seventy-four Four's malefactor was put out by the always wonderful caveman records. The title translates to the Hammer of witches and it was a treatise first published in fourteen, eighty six by Catholic clergyman. This edition was translated by Montague Summers who was a friend of Crowley and often ridiculed by La Bay. Historically this is the most famous book on witchcraft and is told from the point of view of a witch finder who serves in a similar manner to van helsing. Vincent Price Record is Spooky campy and makes witchcraft seemed like something fun to do on a Tuesday after work with the gang while sipping drinks that end. Intini this Tome is a very serious book espousing the evils of witches and warlocks. This isn't a -dorsements on the extermination of which is If, you're tired of all the witches wreaking havoc in your village. This is the record you play and take notes to while listening it covers their lascivious ceremonies and nasty effects on society. It also talks about the most effective way to get a confession from someone whom you might think is a witch guess what it's torture and of course, there's only one way to remedy the evils of witchcraft, the death penalty. Usually by burning them alive but not always one of the other common which killing methods was to put them inside of a nail studded barrel roll the barrel down a long cobbled road, and then once the Berl stopped light the barrel on fire. The record is narrated by Scottish actor Ian Richardson who you may remember from playing. Sherlock. Holmes. In few seventies films or maybe as Mr Warren in Brazil. But. Probably as the Stuffy Grey poupon guy. Bother me would you have any grey poupon? Call, now, Malfa Cara is best played as your dalliance with witchcraft is coming to an end. The records that fall between these last two are the ones that are the most fun summer like infomercials getting you pumped into creating your best life choice yet witchcraft. Some are Ted talks from ball on how to make it in this mixed up crazy topsy turvy and of days. Some are going to remind you of cable access TV but. Less polished. Lewis Hubner was the first star of the vinyl witch movement with her seduction through witchcraft album operating in nineteen sixty nine hubner spends a lot of time making sure that you know she is the L. official witch of Los Angeles. Or. The OFA. She takes that title very seriously despite being presented to her as a goof. What makes the title in her pride about it even better? Is that many members the modern wiccan movement resented Hubner for perpetuating negative stereotypes of which. When I think of traditional which stereotypes I think of. From. The wizard of Oz or which Hazel from looney tunes or that which from room on the broom. Kooky looking women with warts and green skin who have cauldrons broomsticks at the ready. Hubner, was not perpetuate bat that's for sure. Choose more of WHO sexy which costumes are designed for the album covers how to become a modern, which as many of these will along with a few spells about snagging that special guy through potion. That is also a running theme through these instructional records, how to pick up boys with spells and how to make money without working hard. The famous album picking up and easy wasn't released until nineteen, seventy five. But the certainly seems to be a kind of response to that idea. She has a couple of great track names like the earthquake spell for unwanted lovers and. Turkish, being spell for tender. Love. I have a Turkish being smell. But Far and away the best thing about this album the music. bbn Louis Barron scored the record. So it has a futuristic electronic sound reminiscent of their Forbidden Planet Score. Rayo rain at all times. To cast a spell out. Why would the Barron's create music for Luiz Hubner? Well, her husband Mentor did the storyboards for Forbidden Planet in Nineteen, Fifty six. So he was still either friends with them or had some dirt on them. Either way this is one of the best which album solely because of that. Amazing sound. In one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy British celebrity, which is Alex maxine sanders released their album of witches born unlike hubner's album. This isn't a primer on witching made easy. Instead, it's an actual ceremony recorded live with a play by play announcer. During this album, a new which is initiated into the ancient craft. We'll call her Janet. Because her name is Janet. This is a very sacrosanct process with Alex. Janet both. Naked and stuff while the Genteel Stewart Farrar tells us what's happening. These. Because his her right cook and then her life. Lesson I news Chenille the sacred also, this is his right knee and. Blessed be. which would not be. Blessed be breasts phone. Right, Preston. Blessed. Be. LINEUPS. For News and finally. Just in case that isn't over the top enough they randomly throw in Wagner is ride of the valkyries when crucial moments are abreast. Nineteen seventy-one brought us to the most well-known modern which records. The first is by Barbara the gray witch she is spouses, the virtues of the modern which and how their lives are normal like everyone else's she plays a telephone call between her and her which Powell where they discussed the usual things like boyfriends who literally turned evil and annoying imps that bite them while they sleep. As Barbara says after the call, it's just to modern women gossip to each other. Very, much like Louise Hubner Barbara spends most of her album teaching gals how to ensnare men through magic spells, the ingredients of which can usually be purchased at the corner. Market. She also teaches us the black mass prayer, which is just the Lord's prayer with the words in reverse order. This makes the devil seem maybe not so clever. And of course, she has a few songs between spells. The music in the background is pretty good yet again, and has a musique concrete feel to it. Here's the witches song. Enjoy. Face. But nothing can take away our now Mike and. Mike. WHO's Brim? Is a quick where are they? Now? Barbara is still in business, he does readings out of her palatial house, the Raven House in Palatial South Penn Indiana. Go Irish. At one point she considered turning the third floor into a dead and breakfast but the ghost would have none of that. In kept frightening the construction workers. She still uses Barbara which monitor though she only calls herself a witch because it's easier for people to understand. Technically she's a parapsychologist in claims to have a master's degree in that field. On the wall right next to that degree from an unnamed university hangs a framed letter from the trump campaign thanking her for being a campaign volunteer. Think she got that degree from trump. University. Also in Nineteen seventy-one about two hundred miles north of South Bend in Detroit. A former elementary school turned university professor released her how to which album Marion Cucolo. was able to trace her lineage all the way back to the green, which is of Scotland who have been active since the fifteenth century. At the age of Eighteen Marion started teaching elementary school and all. Took on the witch name, of Gondola. It wasn't until she reached forty however that her career really took off. It was at that point that she became a teacher at the University of Michigan. In addition to becoming a very popular and well liked teacher she also started giving lectures on witchcraft around town and became a local celebrity. She gained a column in the local newspaper called which watch where she give advice from the perspective of a witch, and she'd also share recipes non which recipes unfortunately. So no towed or newt of any kind. Just wrote a few books and finally released her album called the hour of the witch. Like the earlier ones we mentioned, the album focuses little on historical witches and more on the modern day, which with yet more spells about attracting lovers and one about discouraging unwanted suitors and repeat. Do. Following in. We're LEAN SPIRIT DR in my thought. Even Var in my mind. This. Is the object of my this tamper. That I make and Ellen is probably the best of the bunch she was smart and had a sense of humor about herself and how she was viewed while never belittling the craft itself. She also had interesting since heavy background music. In this case, it was played by her son James Very sweet. Her album is worth finding and it's even worth grabbing the two thousand seventeen reissue which collects a lot of her which watch column as its own general. It has a new cover which is even better than the original and it's on, of course, green vinyl. Gondola passed away in nineteen ninety-three. In nineteen seventy two, we hear from a fellow who calls himself Jamrah? This is a satanic vanity record called the second coming features a single track per side side one is armageddon and side to track is called initiation sacrifice. Satanic, truth. This may be the most boring monotonous incantation of Satan ever. It's basically Ben Stein taking attendance for thirty eight minutes. He sounds like he's always about to yawn or they shall receive. Satanic Justice. Kurt said are the good. Who are they know not what they do? In nineteen seventy three spoken word album by a person who is known by two names. Zeno genesis or sex agendas with his album that is either a tribute to Satan or Popeye called I am that I am. This. is about the end of the world which sex agendas is one of his name is can stop if you send him your money. He only he hasn't knowledge of metaphysics that no other mortal has put your trust in sex ED agenda. Them God within us within the Etem. Off. Of. And the books of the Bible are statements by different prophets, writers about the seem identical subject, the salvation of mankind or the conservation. Also, nineteen seventy-three comes a much more well known important which he double album by Nat freed lamb called the occult explosion. This album was much easier to listen to than most of what we've talked about. This is an album of mostly interviews with experts on witchcraft Satanism Astrology Yoga Mysticism ufo's reincarnation ESP psychic phenomenon, spiritualism, Indian magic, and meditation. The best interviews on this are with Rosemary Brown in. Our Watts and Louis Hubner. My name is Matt Free Land. And I have written a book called the occult. Explosion. On this record album, you're going to hear the statements in their own voices of today's most important leaders in the occult and in Esp Research. I think you will find at listening to the ideas of these people who's going to change and greatly enrich the way in which you look at your world. At its highest levels, the occult is an adventure in mind expansion. Welcome now to the voices of the closes with two tracks by black widow, the preeminent satanic band of the day more in them shortly. But better. The sexy witch released her album in nineteen seventy four. But Beto was the owner of a supernatural shop in La where I'm sure they sold candles and incense and shit. She's a great spokesperson for the craft as she loved being a celebrity by appearing on the Murph Griffin show for example, was allegedly the first sorceress to introduce witchcraft who Japan. Her website also boasts about her being a frequent consultant for movies and television shows like Starsky, and Hutch and hunter. This. Very similar album to the previously mentioned life is a modern which how to attract men SINTI background music, raise the wand overhead and evoke Hagi Al Sane. By alcohol on an atom. Hill. I conjured the. Hager. Again, circum ambulation, the circle and this time say. I. Guess. Anger Soa icon Jibbidy Hagey. Oh. Bring presence into this class so that we may be hold the. We've tried to cut off the Colt, record fad to about nineteen, seventy four there's one truly special album released in seventy five by will Jima. Album is called revelation six six will Jima is a former shipbuilding executive who in the late autumn of seventy three had a UFO experience on the Gulf coast of the United States the experience Jima to resign his shipbuilding position and began to travel around the country as an evangelist of Satan trying to make the public aware of the real presence of UFO's. Jima maintains that the US government has been involved in a cosmic Watergate for the past twenty, five years Mr Gene States. The government is covering up the knowledge. The aliens from another world have had the earth under surveillance for a number of years now. This is the best album of all. In one regard it's amateurism. Jima is clearly reading his spoken-word epic mostly about the numbers three in eleven from a book with a program stint that his side. Occasionally. He accidentally bumps Cynth- sending the background music to the foreground until you realize that an adjusted. The album is another clue that Satan might need an HR department and then I remembered that President Richard. M. Nixon was the eleventh man who have been vice-president and then become president of the United State. When President Nixon resigned Gerald Ford became the thirty eighth president of the United States. Three. In Eight is eleven. Then I saw this Zodiac sign for water aquarium. We are now in the age of Aquarius, the eleven house of the Zodiac. Suddenly, in the watery vision, I saw a boat sank slowly beneath the sea. President Kennedy's PT Boat had been sunk during World War Two, and he antennas men been saved eleven in all. And if you're tired from staying up well past the witching hour practicing you're incantations and cauldron potion spells. The Secretive Hermetic Rosicrucians has the cure for what ails you a nice ambiente record with imperative Ralph M Lewis, delivering helpful mind expanding practices that allow you to both open your mind to esoteric truths of the ancient past and look good in Yoga Pants. It's the cables for your third eye music of a certain kind as here presented arouses the higher emotions and makes excess to those other states of consciousness more easily at pained. As the fascination with black magic seeped into the counterculture during the nineteen sixties, all sorts of bands dabbled with the dark arts the mostly on a superficial level a cardboard cutout of the glowering Lester Crowley made an appearance on the cover search peppers and on doors record. Or the stones who at the suggestion of Kenneth Anger called album their satanic Majesties request, and then released the hit sympathy for the devil. Led Zeppelin would lean into the Colt lifestyle anesthetic with Jimmy page leading the band. Do some Crowley inspired rituals carving Golden Dawn, mantras into run out grooves, plastering cover artwork with ruins and symbiotic algae buying Crowley's former bachelor pad, and in general acting like they were much more mystical than were. The biggest chart topping bands definitely work to help normalize interest in the occult for kids who are already primed by reading too many pulp novels and Tolkien. Bowie really took the great beast teachings to heart as endeavored to make his music like Crowley's magic. Into A, transmute of. That vehicle. Proud boys constantly evolving career he alluded to the presence of. Crowley. The honky Dory Song quicksand is an Ode to the matches. I'm close. To, the gold. Along He even emulated Crowley's gays Lewis Stare in a photo shoot where he dressed in golden dawn s garb at one point, bowie started writing a book that contained. Crowley. Ask rituals to be called the return of the thin white Duke but he got sidetracked by. Cocaine induced nervous breakdown where he suffered mine shattering hallucinations like believing the devil was taking dips in his La home swimming. Pool. Turns out. It was just a really sunburn iggy pop. The abandoned book was worked into the station to station album that many feel was a treatise on the traveling between metaphysical planes. That too could be a side effect of the cocaine. But it didn't stop there. Sammy. Davis junior famously got an evil live for the Satanic Orgy scene and would eventually star in a pilot for an ill-fated NBC show poor devil. which was even worse. ICAL theme, Sitcom, then the golden girls. Square soft rockers like Daryl Hall and Krista Berg took the plunge into hell even Ronson had a legit glorified. A Colt rocker sounds like Satan sequence. There's no ban more closely associated with the origins of a court rock than Black Sabbath. Their debut with its foreboding ominous cover it's down tuned guitars maliciously blasting out the Catholic band tried tones and it's barely intelligible sorcery late lyrics practically exudes darkness and moral. Turpitude? While the sound was absolutely monumental and monstrous and making donors swoon Heckscher thrash. The reality is that the origin of mainstream metal starts not from Hellfire ball with figures in hooded robes, carrying goblets a blood but with a Medlen, Birmingham jazz blues band called. For a gimmick defined. Fame. Nine and a half fingered guitarist Tony I owe me introduce the idea of adding a little fiendish nece to their sound after walking past a theater populated with a crowd of kids waiting to get into a hammer horror flick. Of course, deploy worked however, though the band has denied this, there is the possibility I owe. Me might have gotten himself a copy of the coven record. And decided this was the right band rip off. Coven was the quintessential occult rock band and really has a good argument for being the verse Metal Band of fully embrace the Prince of darkness. Coming from the Chicago underground scene, the band was fronted by Jinx Dawson who had grown up in a family long involved in cult traditions like the left hand path or giving your kid a stupid name. She studied opera but opted for rock and roll and quickly joined up with Drummer Steve Ross and bassist Greg. Oz. Osborne Yup. Ozzy Osborne. They're heavy music push boundaries with open mentions of sex Satan and psychedelics. The stage show involved a black mass rolling out in coffins, all screaming J. and a Rhody hanging on an inverted cross. The demonic grooves and incendiary stage show caught the attention of major labels and they were brought in to make a record for mercury with producer bill trot who brought boxes of personal occult books into the fold. The ensuing nineteen, sixty, nine album titled Witchcraft Destroys minds and reaps souls was like nothing. The Rock world had ever seen the sonic equivalent of a church burning. The songs sounded lascivious possessed with Dawson singing seductive and scary. The lyrics were blatantly enthralling Lee Satanic like the opener black Sabbath, which again came out a year before black Sabbath on Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, which will here in full at the end of the show. Coven grew Venus was enough to keep the listeners engaged with the music. Forget that the words were actively encouraging witchcraft and devil worship. Wicked woman sounds something like what would happen if someone lit Stevie Nicks Shawl on fire and she had to spin herself into a frenzy to keep herself from being engulfed in flames provided you could hear it over the laughter. With. Most, outrageous of all their cuts was the final self explanatory track satanic mass thirteen minutes of ritualistic chance and prayers to the evil one I deny, God. Creator of Heaven and earth indicted here to the and believe in the traff. Goat. As the shavings of the clock do never return to the clock from which they are taken. So may your soul never return to heaven? Remove your comment and lie down if that weren't enough any impressionable young lad who managed to get his hands on the album would open the grateful to see jinx nude splayed across an altar surrounded by skulls, candles, and dark bunks giving the sign of the devil horns which jinx learned from her occultist relatives. Get you to confession lad? As a side of this is the first instance of the devil horns hand gesture that has become so ubiquitous in rock and roll. Gene Simmons. Of course tried to copyright the move but was thrown back by Dawson's lawsuit and ample photographic evidence. Despite a wide release, the record and tour was quickly pulled as soon as a photograph circulated of California Crazy Charles Manson holding the album as well as a write up in Esquire magazine called Evil Lurks in California. Even though there was no formal connection between Manson and the band the hysteria was enough to stop the group on their highway to hell. Any copies had to be in paper bags under the counter mercury bailed, and even though the band had a sort of big hit with the decidedly not sinister church camp, sing along one tin soldier from a very underrated movie, Billy Jack, and then to Nanako records. By the mid seventies coven had almost been entirely forgotten as bands like Sabbath then Thanom Merciful, fate and Judas priest grew in notoriety and disdain on the backs of this legendary cult band who at the time legitimately believed in witchcraft. Across the ocean, a band called black widow was making similar waves with their album sacrifice on the success of the antichrist anthem come to the Savitt, which was the only song of this era that had even modicum of success on the mainstream. Formed in Lyster, the band was a few members of a blue eyed soul outfit who fell in with drummer clive box boxes variant to black magic in was obsessed with it being authentic. They had an intricate stage show which included a faux virginal sacrifice with the lead singer wielding abroad soared. Wiccan high priest Alexander's came on as advisor helping to ensure no demons would actually be inadvertently summoned at the shows sanders? Wife maxine often volunteer to be one of the many unclothed women during the stage show. Sometimes the women would stand up in whip the lead singer because why not? And there was also the mention of some not very subtle sexual intercourse going on in the background of the shows. As a masterful bit of showmanship, they would have a prefigure come out to warn the audience about what they were about to see before the ban started playing. Their shows garnered plenty of. As you might imagine and their North American tour was cancelled after the Manson murders. The band that took their spot was the apparently less evil black. Sabbath. Black. Widow sound was a bit more progress with the occasional flute and keyboard that conjured a compelling strange medieval sound come to the Sabbath is a stone cold killer and one of the most covered metal songs. Stands up. You. Nights such. Is. Bring you. The. Now. Trump's. Salad Sates. COM Com. Much like Coven, the band got a bit tired of being banned and cut off from touring. So they tried to go a bit more straight with their next albums and we're eventually lost time. The most unsettling entry of early call rock has to come from the Italian prog rockers Jackie lawf-. Jackie sorry. With their album in Cauda semper stat venenum, which translates it always ends in poison. Incredibly Inventive Moody. Music that was equal parts, black mask Cantos, horror soundtrack, and death waltz. There's a good deal of controversy over whether this album was actually ever released in nineteen, sixty nine. The legend is that musician and fledgling mystic Antonio. Barda chetty met a wizard medium named France parthasarathy. They communed with dark spirits who granted him a musical vision that was so sinister that he had difficulty finding others who are willing to make the other worldly sounds with him. He eventually recruited and aged British pipe organist and a young mysterious keyboardist called FIAMMA dello Spiro. The record was recorded in a crumbling British castle during several seances led by pardons parthasarathy. self-financed, only three hundred and thirty three copies were pressed and mostly given away to other dark arts fanatics. The sound is beyond strange with droning pipe organ spelling cantons, and a shredding distorted guitar that seems impossibly unlikely for the nineteen, sixties? The most likely explanation is that the album was released in the late sixties but the only available release was cleaned up and given massive guitar dubs the nineties like true cultists. The band remains absolutely secretive about the true nature of the record, which is as heavy as anything fellow Italian frighteners. Goblin released. Jackie LA evolved into a couple of different bands, invisible force and Antonius wrecks that continued in the style of perpetual spectral terror. Zeile or is pub rock bottom. Led by Syria cultist Keith Boggs, or who wanted to make his show a spectacle. Desire show sound like a blueprint for wires Uvira as they would have giant costumed monstrosities fighting amongst flashlights and smoke until they would grab an unsuspecting female from the crowd and on stage for pretend sacrifice. Doesn't sound very fun. Prop nine fake blood would fly about the stage causing the occasional acid freakout. The album cover for the first record was done by the same artist who did the first black Sabbath record and they look very very similar. Unfortunately, the sound was to aren't be in their style bit too theatrical to truly make a huge impact. Bonds or disappeared from the scene sadly, and it was rumoured he was executed at black mass but. Little digging is linked in profile shows that he was mostly selling timeshares to a well-equipped, Panama City Beach Condo during that time. Savvy. Watch. Coming from the cursed land that is I'd Aho. Salem mass released their record which burning in nineteen, seventy, one with A. Distorted Guitar and Mogi slashed throughout the epic opening track. It billows like smoke rising from Ashi remains of one of Satan's handmaidens. Harps core that makes you want to wait yourself well, then you haven't been listening to Dr Z and his doctoral level keyboards, accompanying songs about soul splitting themselves into pieces. Here's the track spiritus modest at Umbra. The cover of the distance between us by John Bradshaw Leather is a screaming Jesus freak looking lunatic totally covered in black soot like an inbred phoenix risen out of the flames just polite back in with them. The Horror Symphony contained on the record. itself is perfect for the cover. It's the sound of attorney in the furnace of hills. There's little to no true information on the record. Some allege it's the work of the ENID's Robert, John Godfrey. But the one thing that everyone can agree on is that this album doesn't come from. Here. Graham Bond was one of the originators of the early. English aren be seen playing Hammond Organ in Alex Korner's Blues Incorporated and the Grand, organization with Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce. That group dissolved drugs and infighting. So bond started getting into Tarot cards and heroin and multicolored capes. Eventually convincing himself that he was actually the child of Alister Crowley? which was unlikely but plausible. Growing more unpredictable and drug addled he moved to the states and did some session work and eventually started releasing his own music which got more and more obsessed with the occult culminating in his band. Holy Magic. Releasing a free jazz ranting record called. We put our magic on you. which honestly is pretty spectacular. Our thank you. How? To play. What? Seven. When Magic Tom. Historic, it's much sadder after that more drugs institutionalization. And finally dying under the wheels of a tube train. Of, course, once Sabbath hit it big, there was a slew of garage band imitators that stenciled Pentagram on their guitars and carved six, six six into their desks at school. This really is a different sub genre of Folk Colt rock that could be a whole different episode but just as a nod to these delicious cheesy imposters here's one of my favorites asked a Roth with Satan is spiritus. Boy. The rise of British WICCAN and American mysticism also brought a softer musical dedication to the dark women craft. Acid full bands are often heavily in tune with the occult and create a sound which was delicately pastoral still carrying the weight of Evil Arcane. Unlike the forward, sounding hard rock in Prague. The coldest folk bands created sounds that draw upon folk ballad oral tradition and can be reminiscent of medieval times when supernatural explanations were more readily accepted. Audio alchemy that can sound of the heavens. Actually being derived from the inferno. The British psychedelic folk outfit Comas sounds like court music in the throne room of be as above using traditional folk structures, the ban through rock elements and any number of auditees to create a strange potion of unhinged freak folk. There's a distressing mood that permeates the entirety of their nineteen seventy-one debut first utterance with singing that is both strained and ethereal. The lyrics mixed surreal fairytale tropes with of Death Violence Gore. Torture and sorcery. The tunes have a hypnotized appeal drawing you into their deranged ceremony and the cover art is some of the. Most grotesque that I've ever seen. The British press for the most part hated the album calling a combination of the witch's chant for Macbeth and Marc Bolan being squeezed to death. which is a move called the feather Boa constrictor. They released a very much more restrained fall up finally fading from the scene but their first album remains one of the scariest relics of Pagan, folk. Made Sandy Denny Shit her knickers. The band has found more critical acclaim in recent years with followers a Colt post-punk current, ninety, three, and Swedish metal band oath. Here's their road to the goddess of the Hunt Diana. Similarly Mr Fox used a natural social degeneracy and violence in traditional folk music to create an unsettling presence in their music though not directly linked to the occult. Their twisted folk stylings often leave them on the upper echelon of pagan folk music. Here's the bloody murder Ballard that they took their name from it's called Mr Fox. Signed. Witty in pender win was huge on the neo-pagan seen as he was particularly well versed in the ferry tradition of witchcraft. He lived much of his life as a shamanistic ferry Bard, which coincidentally is my character class Indian D.. And, his first recording songs for the old religion He created a song for each of the Sabbath. Tunes about each season and love songs for the goddesses and Gods. Here, is the witches Coven dance, which sounds a bit like the theme to Gilligan's island. And really makes me confused about really what was happening on that island. Now be my lady long. Sit. down. I'm singing dancing also everyone here we'll. them uses wine so five. Red We'll. Burn. Red Old. Surround blackstone also. Blood moon the protective. Tony Arthur is best known as they singing host on the English. Children's programme play school. But just a couple of years prior to that she and her husband Dave released an album of traditional folk songs with supernatural bent under the tutelage of you guessed it King Wiccan Alexander's. David Tony were diligent students of the British folk tradition, studying songs and dances of the bygone era when they fell in with sanders who helped them embrace the country's pagan ancestry and the wiccan religion. The album hearkens to the witches rune eliminates the strange and dark roots of the ballots especially in songs like Alison Groves, which is a cautionary tale about being seduced by a witch while riding your horse through the woods. Perfect for a children's program. Going On the. Nine. Lines line. With the band name like Mandy, Morton and brigands you'd imagine hr puffins stuff kids show. Starting as a steel span cloned, the group emerged in later seventies is one of the most interesting acts in the Sea of. Bland. folk-rock with about black magic and war. The Band is sometimes considered a precursor to the dark wave movement. Here's a track from their album magic lady called which vendor. Shall. Talk. Show. Talk. And we absolutely mustn't forget this podcast favourite mail order mystic master, Wilburn Bursch at the king of Diy cultism his trippy guitar and electronic albums would provide a guided psychic meditation course to help listeners find their true holy potential shackled within their own minds. Also worth the trip. Here's some transcendental music for. Meditation. Back, to the harder stuff as bands followed the lead of Sabbath and started utilizing the images of Satanism Colt. It didn't really matter what they actually believed. Throw some severed goat's heads, some tall black candles and gothic font on the cover. You had yourself style and built in audience of young rebellious kids and you had their parents, politicians, church leaders bellowing about the dangers of your music, which just perpetuated the cycle, the more controversy, the more imagery, the more sales, and so on. This eventually hit a breaking point. A Colt fairly or not was linked with a string of bizarre murders in the late sixties and seventies, Manson Zodiac Sam, all of a sudden parents feared that. Rich Listrik cures lurked everywhere in parks daycares at the annual convention. Stranger danger took on a new meaning in emerging fundamentalist right and conservative. Christian. Organizations fueled the fire. Media took the blame television movies, Dungeons Dragons we boards especially rock music. They were all seen as the dark Lord's primary vehicle for recruitment and social destruction. Several now, defunct memoirs detailed horrifying and fake conspiracies of occultist sex abuse and sacrificial murders. This mass hysteria caused people to turn on members of their community, and there are far too many cases of innocent people who were falsely accused of terrible crimes that are akin to the witch trials McCarthyism in the manner of prejudicial prosecution. All this made it legitimately dangerous to your freedom to be an open practitioner of the occult and wiccan in the eighties nineties music. The cult was pushed back into the underground while more acceptable forms of horror. Slasher flicks and Stephen King took the throne of the mediums that would reach darkest depths. After the satanic panic, the impact and danger of cult and mainstream rock and roll was pretty much neutered. Vincent price was now Jon Lovitz in Devil Costume speaking of neutered. Charlie Manson was now Marshall Applewhite, the wicked witch of the West was now Bette Midler sure medals modus operandi still relied heavily on diabolical design which resulted in plenty of lost lives, burnt Norwegian churches and face melting Solos. But even that seemed sort of reductionist at this point rock was still expected to be sinful but in an outrageous and decadent sense not in a truly sinister and damning manner. Our Society became numb to outrage dismissive of the unexplained we get our cheap thrills from television and movies mostly through predictable quick jump scares and emotional controlling soundtracks. Newer bands like ghost. Woodland Rights and devils blood carry the aesthetic strongly but seemed to be more dedicated to the idea of appearing ominous rather than actually being evil if their fans are becoming their followers, then it may not matter much to them. Anyway. And maybe it's the technology and access that kills the allure for newer bands. To seem like a minion of Mephistopheles when you post a picture of yourself drinking a Frappuccino. Still, there are those pioneers finding ways to integrate the insidious in their music. The indescribable singer composer Diamante Gonzalez released a record called the litanies of Satan that sounds harrowing as the. Tapes? Out. Vanguard composer John Zorn's had an entire creepy record dedicated to the works of Crowley and Kenneth Anger called ISO music in the sacred light. Nice blow by. Music. post-punk PR ORAGE GENESIS PSYCHIC TV, coil, and current ninety three have carved out a small niche to include some genuine colder sounds in their music. College and. took. Stock Shadow. Spyros. Through the one owns over. The set in silver. City Sunday. Hell even newer pop icons like the prophesized starman. Kanye. West lurid murdering lady. Gaga. And the illuminating. Lizard Man. Jay Z reportedly bowel need to the legacy of the grand master of the order. Template Orient. House. Michael Esposito is a paranormal investigator who's made some fascinating experimental music with his captured vp in particular his work with Carl Michael Von. House Wolf. Scary name. Called, the ghost of Effingham, which uses wax cylinders and attempt to capture the sounds of other worlds and much the same way. Edison. Did in the twenties. It is well, totally haunting. Looking for something, a little cambier checkout they satanic sweethearts to temple with their damnable doo-wop. That's basically sounds like resurrected wine house doing screaming J. Hawking songs. It's Clo- In fiddly catchy. Satan's Monday had. Make you feel pain. I think twist. On. Do see you can. Use. took. Down even darker paths are Nazi satanist but fun guys. Like MMP temple who used cassette only dark ambient music to infiltrate the underground scene with their garbage ideologies. It's double the goal. And there's a horde of Horrible Coltie occult practitioners. Who Make. Equally atrocious music like Dragon Rogue Process Church, the postles nominee, and Radio Werewolf. Maybe none more terrifying than reverend, John Holly of the Church of you know who with his Luciferian Lounge Brace yourself for the Voice of pure evil. That old black magic has been. In. That old black magic batch. We so well. Those is fingers. Down my spine? Same Witch Graham winyard. Sammy Davis. Jr Junior's is rolling in the back of his head like it was a miniature Linda. Blair. Occult, and Paranormal Music has struggled to remain relevant to the mainstream like it has been for most of the last hundred and fifty years humans will always be drawn toward the Darkness Paranormal Recordings in Occult Music enthralled not because they communicate with the dead or supernatural. But they affirm our intuition that maybe nothing ever dies and that revenge might be possible even in the afterlife. Isn't that the appeal of keeping any record to spend in an eternal group. When we WANNA mention a couple resources that helped especially with the first part of the episode we're talking about paranormal sounds. Record called medium paranormal filled recordings and compositions. Nineteen one to two, thousand seventeen, and that's from an exhibit at the Zuckerberg of art which was curated by artists Ben Cole and has all sorts of really cool paranormal phenomenon recorded in kind of mix with music to an excellent record if he can manage to get yourself a copy, which is not easy because we tried. Uber Web had a page called a cold voices, paranormal music recordings, unseen intelligences thousand, nine, hundred to two, thousand, seven that was. Put. On their website from. Suppose a records and most all the sound that you heard are from that archive in it is terrifying and amazing. Gets hard to make it through very much of any one track. There's some really beautiful things and there are some things that are just they're whatever they are supernatural or not they are crazy and they will make you shit your knickers. And we WANNA thank Mica. From. Mica and the music of mind control. He gave us some good ideas and pointed us in the reaction of a few things. So he's kind of the the dark master of sort of stuff. So. Definitely listened to his his show Mike and the music of mind control on wfan Mu and you can check it out online I. Think it's every Tuesday evening. So look at up. If you're into this sort of stuff, you'll definitely love that show we do and we appreciate Mica and he's he's helped us with episodes in the past. So hopefully, we'll continue to in the future. All right. Are you? Ready to play some songs now Yep I sure am? The first track for this episode is going to be by a band called a Lucifer. And the song is called exorcism. Law. Will. ooh. ooh. All. Right. That was Lucifer with their song exorcism off of the album black mass from nineteen seventy-one. Lucifer's actually more Garson who we have talked about in another episode on our records about keeping plants alive music for plants. He is a pioneer. The concept of this album was basically the mobile playing sinister songs almost like horror film songs and the only other horror Moberg. Albums were to albums by Ruth White who we had talked about also on another episode where we talked about her albums, seven trump's from the Tarot cards, opinions, and flowers of evil also to a cult albums but we didn't bring that up much because. Well, we talked a lot about Ruth White. Awesome. She is in another episode. So those were the two people that were doing the the occult Mode Staff. So more Garson had been doing some interesting interesting records. He did one that was the wizard of Oz basically take off on that. He did twelve albums one free sounded Zodiac. One hair, and then all of a sudden and nineteen seventy-one he does this black mass record and. Any used the name Lucifer instead of more Garson I don't think he used more Carson very much on on much of anything, but it's really dark and menacing and it's it's pretty cool. It's one of my favorites I actually. Listened to it fairly regularly. I got it after we talked about more Carson on that plant episode and I love it it's a very strange album, but it's really good. And then four years later. More. Garson released an album in nineteen, seventy, five gold. Unexplained Electronic Musical Impressions of the occult. This album is by instead of loose burnouts at Iraq's. Which? Actually means a spiritual balance, the Sydenham of a state of perfection that is not possible to be reached by human beings entirely at Iraqi becomes a state of tension and we try to open our minds to be receptive and perceptive towards the occurrence of life. It is similar to black mass, but it's also a little bit more melodic in ways. I. Don't think it's quite as dark. That's more upbeat occult. It's also great and anything you can find by more. Garson is worth having these two albums along with I. Think one other one of outtakes are being reissued by the same label is it sacred bones sacred bones yet in November I think at the very beginning of Nova November. Yeah I've got both those Oh. Actually all three of those on preorder pretty excited about that. All right. As we talked about before. I'M GONNA go ahead and play a Coven Song I'm GonNa play Black Sabbath. Doc. After, read awesome spectacle. Face. person. Raining on his Far removed. Flash. The. Laugh. I. Dr. condemn. It turns round. And When I. When Resisting. And Past. All right. That was black. Sabbath by Cubbon. We talked about it. This track came out a year before black Sabbath by Black Sabbath on Black Sabbath. Ask just a great song. We don't talk anymore about covering we cover them I. don't have the original I. Have a really you buy real gone music and it's on fire and brimstone colored vinyl just kind of like A. Pale red and a pale. Grey. It looks pretty cool. It's not as. Epic as you might think. The reissues really cool. It's got the full foldout with the you know the naked sacrifice and stuff like that. So Fun Record to have fun record for always time so. Now my next song I'm playing sort of fits with the theme, but it is called wrath gamma gamma. Raw. By a band called plus. Oh. To make it seem. who? Sold her we could do. Spanish. On Your? nope. I. May. Right that was a band called plus with a song called Wrath Gamma Gamma Raw, and that was from nineteen, sixty nine as well and on probe records on an album called seven deadly sins. Now, this record was my dad's record. He told me he bought it because it looked really cool and it does the cover is just a all black record with a cutout, of cross, in seven sinister-looking monks at the bottom and one of them has a demon face. And it's IT's British prog band that didn't do anything else They just kind of made this one album and disappeared and is a real early example of like a concept album almost a rock opera. Before Jesus Christ superstar and Tommy and basically they made one song for each of the seven deadly sins plus they had like cat opening incantation and a closing kind of like it wasn't mass. So pretty interesting record it got no distribution no advertising because it was so weird and it just kind of came and went, and like I said, I only have it because my dad had in his collection I took it from him. It's Kind of weird record that I would probably never play. But when we were talking about this I thought man, this fits really perfect with that. The album itself was up and down I really like this song it's kind of like a Frodo punk Glam, e Song with the hey hey, hey hey but the best part about it is at the very end, there's about ten seconds of a solo and I have no idea whether it's weirdly distorted guitar. Kazoo. Or a baby crying I really can't tell what it is. It's like the best ten seconds of of Solo I've ever heard my new ringtone. Love it anyways that's plus and I don't think it's a very expensive records seven deadly sins but you know you like the song maybe check it out. Art The last song for this episode is by Bonnie stillwater and the song is called. The devil is people. Some guy. Gel Defense. Too. She. Of this live off. Say. And It's my first one day. Due To. Own. and. Starting to do. Can Go back. Something that's already her. No one. To, see did. I'm grateful to the. Was Long. found. In early morning. I'll was. By an animal. Whose? To me the dare. Speed. uh-huh. Her It's Swim so So Swam. So Solo. It's A. Swim So. And so. Go. BE A. Swim. So. So. So. A. Art that was Bonnie stillwater. The devil is people and that was actually the. Chief Wizards Gimme all lick shanty at the edge of the anthroposophic seen epoch. This is a collaboration between will Oldham and the band water W. A. T.. E. R. who feature Britt Walford from slant and Zak riles from grails and it's also a collaboration with stillwater brewing. So they released this twelve inch. It's one song on each side both songs are the devils people. One is the beside the Remix, which is what I just played. This was released in two thousand fifteen on April twenty fifth. And the release of it was interesting they played. The band played one song at like five different bars just in a single day, and then at that bar they would they would go play a song go to another bar play song and just move along until they hit all five bars and then there were done. Anyway side be this mixture that you heard is was remixed by Bundy K Brown who was ambassador Gasol Soul and was with David grubbs Jim O'Rourke, and he was one of the founding members of Tortoise for and was in there for a couple years. And side a is a is a very dark folk song with mercurial lyrics and then side B he takes that and makes it even bore unnerving with those just the weird instrumentation and the noises and the justice unsettling tone that he adds into I think it's great. This was released on temporary residents and they had a few different versions on a released black vinyl, red vinyl crystal, clear vinyl, and blue and white marble vinyl, which is the one that I have. I. Think that's the one that is still not very expensive of them are but it's great. Well, it's well Oldham so. Probably going to love it. I think now that we've played some music the only thing to do is set up on some trivia. All right. I'M GONNA go ahead and play remember eighteen different two singers or Seeing ghost and you've got to see how many of them you can catch all you gotta tell me is how many different singers you can pick out out of this. This haunted house of. Cacophony. Here you go. Here's another lissome. Draw. Up other girls. Memory. Joe. People home have have counted their numbers. They're going to see if they got more than you how many how many of you heard well for full transparency and this is not something I've done before I went back and I've listened to this three times now. So I listen to a once at the beginning of the show and now I've listened to a three more times. So cheater. I'M Just telling everybody goes through that too. I would encourage you to because this is really hard. How many. Mrs. Allowed. Like. Do I lose at some point just known zero? iming there's not really rules you can guess as you want I like know ruin just start going through. Okay. I'm the Alister Crowley School of a podcast trivia which means. You could be doing whatever you want. You're asking your Trivia. All right. Here we go. Yep Johnny cash yes. Handsome. Family. Yes. Ray Parker junior three white stripes for neutral milk hotel five Jason Molina. Six. Nick Cave No. Rush. No Iron Maiden. No sort of just guessing some of these now us. Bands that have or songs that have ghost in them, psychedelic? Furs. No I thought about putting that one on, but I didn't concrete blonde. nope. I thought about putting that one I didn't Bruce Springsteen nope. Okay. That's all I had. All right. Let me read them off real quick. Johnny, cash goes riders in the sky was the first one. The Jam Ghost was listening for that the whole time and I couldn't hear it. He only says ghosts really quick. It's you know. And then you got handsome family my ghost YEP surprise. You didn't get this one suicide ghost rider. I couldn't pick a lot of these out. It's it goes a little overwhelming. That's the idea. The ideas you're not supposed to get them all just to see how many you can't get good job right Richard. Richard Thompson ghosts of you walks. The specials ghost town. Patti. Smith Ghost. Magnolia Electric Company writing with the ghost. Gun Club Ghost on the highway. You Got Ray Parker Junior ghostbusters. You missed Tom Waits goes to Saturday night I even told you I thought I wrote IT I. Did you I'll give you credit for that because you did say that. Now we're getting some of the tougher ones. Shane macgowan and Sinead O'Connor haunted how shoot Susan, the band cheese ghost in you. White stripes a little ghost to get that. Followed the fall ghost in my house I'll good one neutral milk hotel ghost got that one. Nina Simone Twenty second century. which is a tough one I thought you might just get it from the voice. And the last one which you're taking all sorts of shots that was king diamond with family ghost. Sound like rush me Yep. So. Hopefully, everybody out there got a few those yet. These are intentionally essentially kind of tough but I think they're kind of fun I. Kinda like hearing all the ghost I've done it with few things so. Right well, that about wraps it up for us. As always, we're going to say go out and please support local record stores. Go buy a ticket to an online concert mail order some vinyl. Do something to support the the music that we love. And we all we want to acknowledge our podcast network. Pantheon. They'd give us a lot of support. It's a great network of. Similar minded podcast. So. If you go to Pantheon, you can find. Any number of different sort of musical podcast that you'll probably enjoy if you like ours. Don't forget to vote. Please make sure you do that. I know who? Barbara, the great witches vote for. That woman she's the worst. Find US and contact us on social media. We are on instagram and twitter with the handle of highway ipod you can find us on facebook you can email us at highway. Hi, Fi podcast at Jamile DOT com. If, you get a chance if you liked the show Lisa a kind review. And we do have on spotify a Halloween playlist from a few years ago, and we'll probably put some more stuff from here. Just if you want to hear some of the spoken word, stop the Vincent price stuff is fond. Of the witch records I think some of that is available on spotify. So we'll put some of that together and make a playlist on their some grundell. Okay It's getting late. It's it's well past the witching hour for me. Last cauldron. All. Right. Well, we appreciate everybody listening. We really do like Joseph reach out. Let us know what you thought. Hopefully, everybody doesn't suffer any sort of demonic possession for many of the music that we played today. I don't think. So because we've been listening to a lot and the only thing that's really done is made youtube send me all sorts of weird advertisements for like new age stuff hopefully, that won't happen to you. We appreciate you listen and we will see you next time. Ask. Why. Do I suddenly have a hankering to Fuck Rick James. Pitches. SALTIRE. Issue Song Hello and welcome to the song facts podcast. My name is Corey of Flanagan nine here to talk to you about. Well, you guessed it song facts. 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Here we are a hundred ten years after the agreed not so great great meeting big Spanish Influenza epidemic that ravaged the entire world and there is a Article ON SLATE DOT COM. Very interesting that. I didn't know that Babe Ruth actually got the flu twice in two thousand eighteen and the first time they were in hot springs. Arkansas which was kind of like the I really ever had spring training the Red Sox and the Brooklyn dodgers down and they took the train to little rock to go to Camp Pike. And they're GONNA play game in front of the doe boys there and it started to rain but he went out and did BP anyway and he hit five home runs and BP and they said no one had ever hit the ball over the right-field fence at that stadium and he had five but he's very young. He's twenty three years old and he was you know known for his pitching. The Red Sox had already had eleven players who went off to the armed services and so they really needed him and babe. Ruth was the first player than anybody could remember. That didn't choke up on the BAT. And Swat down on it. That he held about at the very end and he had huge uppercuts so which is one of the reasons why he was going to be the most famous player in America but he A lot of people think that the virus was spreading through the troops because people were more isolated but these troops we go from base to base in town to town and they were kind of spreading it around that way during World War One but he got back to Boston and he noticed that two of his teammates were sick George. Whiteman and Sam Agnew. They were complaining of the flew back to Boston. He took his wife. I was married at twenty three which was common then to revere beach. Revere beach was the first public beach in the United States of America. If you can believe it Had a picnic but he came home. Had A terrible fever is fear. Got A hundred and four degrees and he was scheduled to pitch at Fenway. The next day he showed up looking like a ghost and the team doctor said he told the manager. Ed Barrow this guy needs five days in bed just completely in bed. But one of the mistakes he made was that he swabbed his throat with this caustic compound that had silver nitrate in it about ten percent solution even in nineteen fourteen. The American Journal of Clinical Medicine said caution. Great Care must be exercised that no excess silver nitrate solution using from the swab drops into the throat. Less serious results follow for as we know. Cases are on record in which Dima which is swelling of the gladys. Severe Spasms of the Larynx and other spastic affections of the throat. Even suffocation resulting from such accidents well as soon as the guy swabbed his throat ruth started to choke gag writhed in pain collapsed was taken to Massachusetts General the physician sized throat on flamed packed in ice and everyone was saying that Babe Ruth who even at that time said his worth is Wade. He's more than worth his weight in gold that he was on his deathbed at that point well he made the floor. Recovery obviously And then in May and June. He hit eleven home runs which was five more than the entire. American league would hit that year thinking about that the American League as a whole as a whole had hit six home runs. He hit eleven in those two months. And if you think about the context of the western front were. Usa was now at from seventeen to eighteen. The glorification of Babe Ruth. They needed some good news throughout but the spring flew as they were calling it then and the Spanish influenza with still going around soldiers got it in France and brought it back and there was a citywide threat in Boston. And there was a world series between the red sox on the cubs and the city was threatening to do a lockdown. Think about that one hundred two years ago to keep people from being close to each other. But there's no way you're going to cancel the world series back then and so you think about three World Series Games took pace in Boston. Winning the world series parades rallies draft all that stuff it just fuels the epidemic and Almost five thousand. Bostonians died after that so the day after the white sox run the world series. The newspapers reported that five hundred infected sailors were at Commonwealth Pier. And but they needed people to register for the draft. We need more soldiers overseas and the next day ninety six thousand. Bostonians stood in line for the draft. Ninety six thousand in line sneezing coughing breathing on all each other and If you WANNA think about the epicenter for the pandemic for the United States of America Boston was the Epidemic of the Of the of the pandemic at that time six hundred seventy five thousand Americans died at that time America had about a million people then We have what three hundred some odd million American had a million people and just basically Point five percent of the entire country worldwide. They say it's between fifty and one hundred million dead. Yeah now. I'm not trying to make people scared. I'm just trying to say the the parallels between you know stopping baseball and not stopping baseball. Look what they did there. Now as I said World War. One had a lot to do with it too but they didn't stop the world series even though Boston was warned by health officials. You can't have the world series. It's just. It's going to be a citywide outbreak. And it was and so a couple of things here and this is all from the snippet from the book war fever and it's mostly about Boston and World War One. But there's a chapter on this and it's just a a lesson that a here's Babe Ruth who got sick twice. When on his deathbed in quotes and was able to come out of it with medicine from one hundred and two years ago and also if you say like President Lukashenko of Belarus or President Bolsonaro Brazil and in Brazil. They have the mark another turning it into a field hospital. He's still saying this. Which is irresponsible. I'd have to say understatement right but when these people say I don't worry about it well I mean that's that's what they basically said in Boston was don't worry about it. Was this is how the world series what's going to happen. Well they said we saw the most horrible pandemic of the last Last one hundred years so after the season and Babe Ruth went home now is is you know if you ever want to read Babe Ruth Book. I had him on my show. Years Ago Leigh Montville. Great author wrote a book called the Big Bam. All about ruth grown up in an orphanage even though his dad ran a bar in Baltimore. It's Kinda Weird. Great Book About Babe. Ruth called the big family Montville. We need to read things now. I have books on order as we speak. But Babe Ruth Return Home to Baltimore and the Baltimore. Sun reported the great and only Babe. Ruth has fallen victim to the Spanish flu. Ultimately he recovered from a second fight against affliction finally after being dogged by the flu for an entire season babe was safe but for much of America. The horrors were only beginning. This is what they wrote in Nineteen nineteen sell. It's good that we're staying apart. And even though he miss it. It's very good that we're not going to sporting events right now. I'm rick it'll come on back on sports platinum. Thanks bye have no privacy south attention to anyone. That's written a book a wants to write a book. 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Don't be getting your granny panties all in a bunch. We got rick till up in here. Thank you for that. Welcome back to the show. It's Kinda funny doing the show from Skype which is really cool. I mean it's basically free over the WIFI and it's allows us to do a show but like hearing the music it'll go real fast and real slow and it'll be like Dan and amy real. Hopefully it doesn't sound that way for you though a one eight hundred eight seven a point in the NBA says that they are very determined to have a champion talking to Anthony. Early says what are they GONNA do? Well The New York Post says that they're exploring a number of creative options to ensure that they get one. A single elimination tournament cannot be on the table. There's just no way they're going to do that. They're not gonNA have march madness for the behavior but the idea of these three game series are probably more feasible with the time crunch. I mean the seating assuming the postseason does start wouldn't change much but the idea of finishing the regular season now might not even be an option so the league would like to ensure that teams get to seventy games. That's actually a marker and broadcasting deals so but I mean it's not a priority at the expense of the postseason so the postseason could be played in one city. Bruce Marshall was talking about that yesterday maybe in Las Vegas some people said they can play in in Atlantic city. There's been a rumor that they're going to hold it in Hawaii Louisville Kentucky and another one said No. It's going to be the Bahamas first of all as much as everybody loves wire. They're not gonna all go there. It's just too much traveling. It's too far. Louisville does not have the venue big enough. I'm sorry the Lou University of Louisville's Great. But they just don't the Bahamas come on a C. I I don't even see it. I'm open minded but Vegas I could see now. There was the New York Post. Said that they're also talking about maybe doing it in Orlando now that would make sense and by the way if the season ended today officially they'd be the eighth seed so they'd have home court as long as they were in it. Kinda her eight Orlando is one of those places. That is Disneyland. Esque Hawaii esque. So why not but these timelines are not set in stone. But they're thinking you know June best case scenario maybe July. Maybe pushing the postseason so late that you would open next season on Christmas in order to give them an off season. We talked about that as well but they're trying to get her out now. How is the NFL in a handle their draft? Because they were supposed to fly to Vegas. That's not gonNA HAPPEN AS WE KNOW. But now we're getting a little more information on how they're GONNA be taking part. We decide webcams and phone. Right yes alternative means of communication as the NFL likes to say but if you think about three weeks until the draft the NFL now is inviting prospects to join them for virtual interviews and some of those virtual interviews will air during the draft. This is what the NFL network is reporting so Fifty plus draft prospects are expected to take part in the virtual interviews and virtually interview is actually misleading. It is an interview. It's just with your image. It's not in person. But they're going to be conducted and some sort of forum whereas that not only will they were era but they might get on social media as well so players and families will receive instead of going to Vegas will receive a draft package to make up for the circumstances the draft package. I'd like to know it's in Goodie bag cash money homey straight casual But prospects have already been meeting teams that just haven't been recorded for the draft yet. Justin Herbert says I've done these. He said I did. One with the raiders on Monday and already than one. What the chargers. The Raiders Raiders have traded twelve and nineteen to move to six and with the six selection twenty twenty. Nfl drove the love. Vegas Raiders Select Justin Herbert quarterback Oregon by the way. That's a kick in my crotch the say. Lv are like that but the draft although some general managers pushback they said. Let's push back now the draft. We'll still be held. Excuse me on April twenty third. That's the first round and it will be broadcasted I'm sure we'll have three people at the not at one desk but maybe in one studio at different desks. I remember I used to do that. Chronicle live on them back in the day. I did a lot of them. I did twenty in one year and a couple of times. They Great Papa wanted be just me and him and he wanted to ask me something and I had to go to the desk on the other side of the studio. Let's now bring in rectal just sitting next to you. Why don't we have to act like but it was just for the camera angles or whatever what the NFL? They told their teams to vacate all the facilities and we won't be making picks from remote location so this whole war room what's going to happen but Pro Days visits are off the table. It's all going to be held on video conferencing and if you have stock in video conferencing you're probably feeling the Larry David pretty good right now. I also like to look at mocks As well and it's funny when you think about you know talking about the Niner's moving up the thirteen with the Eric Armstead deal and that was with the colds. If I'm a colts fan. I'm disappointed because Armstead is a solid player. He was the first round pick. He's a big kid by the way. The former offensive tackle left tackle of the year in the state of California when he was at grant high in Sacramento or should I say folsom folsom high. But this great guy we're getting we'll never find anybody that could pick thirteen but now you sit out the first round and it's just not fun. It's not fun to sit out the first round and I've had to do it before many times Carson Palmer Willie galled Richard Seymour things like that. It can be pretty good. I also heard it's funny the local news station on the AM dial air. They're talking about. Hey you know when the forty niners pick. They're going to be able to get one of those great wide receivers because you know when you think about eleven twelve thirteen those right now. Look like jets raiders niners CD Lamb Jerry. Judy and Henry Rugs and the guy said on the newscast he said Alameda 's Jerry. Judy my Alameda is Jerry. Judy and I thought I had never heard that. The guys from Alameda. Why why wouldn't I know that? Because we know who Najji harasses when he was from Antioch High to Alabama. Why was this never mentioned in any of the papers so I thought? Wow that really got buy me. What did he go to Alan? He'd go to Alameda like Jim Morrison. Jerry Judy went to Deerfield Beach High School in Florida. So I don't I don't know maybe he was born in Alameda guys twenty years old but he's the Bulletin Cough Cough Award winner and this guy is probably my favorite wide receiver after that I would probably go with t higgins. It says I love the fact that he is six three and any type in this. Well you know. He ran a four or five ono. He ran a four five. What are we GONNA do? He's any ball. That has a fifty fifty ball. GonNa win now. Cd LAMB is also six to. He's good Henry. Rugs is the guy who came into the camp and just blew the doors off. What are your four four three or something one tenth of a second? You're going to choose between the two I can happen but the niners if you'd ask the niners look you're not GonNa have dominate tells me there isn't Alameda in Florida. I don't think that's what he meant. Those a local a local broadcast Alameda zone. Yeah you know. 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Why did you do a test donkey? Anyway why did you do that? Board and also Animal cruelty was on my mind. I don't blame you. Hey the guests. Last hour shouted suspiciously like leather tests. Cordeiro can you believe that man and now you gotta be our age but tell me you didn't have a crush on her crushing her older sister. Pinky Jessica d'oro on whose girlfriend Pinky lucky more like a late a lady Yes a very mature lady that that's what we're going to say hey She looked like she looked like gingers. Sorry I said she looked like ginger older sister go ahead. What was it today or was it or am I get my shows. Michelle where you're talking about the NBA contemplating not having a no foul rule. That was yesterday. What do you think oh the AB aged that ABA had a no foul out role in the in the in the waning days with their league. And they I just I don't know why I remember that I just do and Yeah I do have a proposed basketball rule change. I think would make the sport much better. Be ready for it. I'm not joking I'm not working either. Okay the thing when things. I don't like about basketball is fouling at the end of the each half when during the bonus. And you're you're down by your down and then you foul and you try. You're hoping that they missed the front end. The one and one my proposal for is if you're in the last two minutes four minutes five whatever last two minutes a game. You're losing and you fail. The penalty is one shot and the ball. Yeah well you can say a one and one you know. It's funny that I was looking at that. You mentioned the ABA. There is an article that Willis Reed wrote for The New York Times in one thousand nine hundred seventy six where he said. The foul out rule is stupid and they need to get rid of it and our bicentennial. They were talking about this too. Heck Yeah No. That's because Willis Reed is obviously a very intelligent man. You like my best shot in the ball well. The it's one of the suggestions I said yesterday was. It was a one in one and the ball. Well here's Oh and the ball okay. Now that made yeah beer penalties a much more. I was thinking one shot in the ball. Because and my my thinking was now you're not benefiting from breaking the rules. What other sport do I? Because if you if you foul though with just one then you know you're holding that guy to one point but if it's a one and one you're giving up basically what should be two points and possession so you stop the clock but they still have possession. I that we're both basically child genius and we just don't know well. I came up with an idea full. I came up with a full proof idea how to get a college football national champion years ago. No one ever wanted it so those maybe like Van Gogh. They'll they'll discover it in one hundred years so I've become acquainted totally changing changing gears here. I've become a coordinated with the guys via twitter. That lives in Austin is a lifelong Astros Fan. Can't hold it against him. He has a podcast. I've been a guest on his podcast. A couple of times as the as fan representative and he Has this fun thing where he asked some questions and yesterday asked me three questions? I'd answer with as players. Do you want me to ask you these questions. Louis can podcast called. Let's get to okay all right. Go ahead go with the question so the first question and this was an easy one. No thought was given on my part greatest mustache and Oakland. A's history greatest mustache. Selena gotta go rollie fingers right well. That's to me obvious. Obviously rollie fingers. Yeah and The next one was all the time as player whose name could also be the name of an Talian dish. Sorry I I went with bloomer Maloney Moroni but then I changed my mind and I went with a current Oakland Athletics. I went with Ramon Laureano who you know a pasta dish by the the first two I thought of where it was. Either you could have one of the two GEOM- be dishes are if you pronounce. Are you pronounce? It like it's supposed to be gene tenace Tanatshai. Could I please have another j hey the GOP dishes one would be really popular? One would just be terrible and one of them would not play even better okay. The last one was best booty in Oakland as history Jermaine Dye. We'll see would. Oh not a bad one right there. I would reggie but not bad at all and I'll tell you what away pretty. Yeah Willie Willie McGee. Harry ells big booty. Hey don't sleep on that shares on this question that's true dude item so I can tell you. Listen I've been in the locker room the clubhouse when guys are coming out of the shower and I've I've seen some butts that I would. I wish I hadn't seen and I won't mention some of them even had some of them even had tattoos on their butts. And I'm thinking if you get on your but how long before you can sit down. I came in clean them going out clean. I I can't speak to that all right. Well I'll say this you're not the first person who listened to my show that says I'm so bored right now. All right thanks for the call man. Rick have a great one. Do we'll see you. There is there is the great stew by the way speaking of Baeza borough and buts we heard somebody talk about J.lo's but yesterday a-rod as you know has had some great handlers have rehabbed his public image significantly. He's very good on Major League baseball broadcast now on Fox. I think he's on Fox He says you know this. These astros should be tired and further. What I did was dumb. I served the longest suspension in history. He's halftime at the Super Bowl. Here's a Selfie of me. Here's jail playing Switzer outfits or whatever they do while Paul duquet marry him. One of the worst trades. Paul Deepak Gupta ever did was trading the Duca to Florida from Brad Penny over that whole thing. Paul the Duca had something to say about a Rod And on Wfan back in New York. He said I will never be a fan. Just think he's one of the fakest people ever out there now. A-rod was in a doping scandal. We know that he was in the Mitchell report as was Paula. Duca and a-rod was also in the biogenesis scandal as well so the Duca went on to say I didn't lie. I owned up to it immediately. It was something that I'll never be proud of and something. That was a mistake of mine and it was over with and people could judge me. They wanted they wanted to judge me. I could care less. He meant I couldn't care less. But when you completely like Rodriguez about it for years and years after years and years if you cash in two hundred and sixty million dollars and people are like he is successful well hell yeah. He's successful. He got paid over five hundred million dollars in his career. So Luca ripped Rodriguez for his relationship with jeeter and they only won the world series once by the way and oh nine he said it's pretty well known that he en- Derek really didn't get along and he always thought that he should be the shortstop. Derek should gone to third and Iraq. That his sake thing saying all be okay at third base and he had one postseason where he did do well. The other postseasons weren't that good. I'll say this a-rod had the gold glove at short when he came over and cheater wouldn't but you weren't gonNA move jeeter but he talked about his fiancee. This is where it's GonNa get Dicey and this is where it's going to get racist because he said the thing about him and J. Lo is she did a commercial for it and I'll never forgive her. Does that mean Seattle War Criminal Company from Italy. Fix It again Tony. He said she'll never get that sweet little but of hers into a Fiat inning. She has a big butts and then he said and this is where you just dig your own hole like a dummy here. He says if Jaylo has ever been in a Fiat than I am a ten foot Indian. Why why why add that? Why throw in another racist? Barb I have no idea by those are legal at the San Pablo Dam for trout. When you use the racist barbs. I'm rental. Come on back on sports violent. And let's shit this puppy down. Here's a great way to save money on your prescription medications. If you take Viagra or Cialis we can give you away to pay as little as two dollars. A PILL COMPARE. That price is high. Sixty dollars per tablet these pills work for men and women to improve their sexual performance and now for the price of two or three pills can get nearly one hundred. There's no need to pay expensive prices for Viagra or CIALIS. Call now with your prescription and pay as little as two dollars a pill. We offer four seven service and always free delivery in confidential packaging. 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But as far as I'm concerned the first thing you can do for me is chuck all your mattress and all the cops and all your pots and pans into the biggest flipping spin you can find because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by blooming okay. Rick tittle was selected at random from the phone book to host. This show. Thank you for that. Welcome back to the show. A couple of minutes left Major League Baseball. Of course if you're talking about you know when the athletes come back will they be in front of fantasy not being in front of the fans? Well just seeing on the web. There was an interview with the shortstop of the d-box Nick Ahmed and he was asked. Would you be open to be playing the game in protective masks? He said quote. I'll be up for anything at this point. Just be able to play again if they said. Hey you can start games on May fifteenth or June first. But you have to wear masks. That's the only thing holding us back. Then sure guys would do it if it comes to playing with no fans for a little while as much as that would be extremely weird and strange. I'd be open to it. Hopefully it wouldn't have to last a long time but to get more games in and get games on TV for fans to watch where offer that. So we know that the K B O and that Mpp Let's Cram Baseball Organization and Nippon Pro Baseball. They've resumed their spring training. And while they're doing it everybody's wearing masks and some people will say you know our masks in the country. We have a shortage This is morally abhorrent. Use Bad optics. You need to give them to nurses and doctors and orderlies and people who I am. Balance Drivers So like Major League Baseball where they play with the fans or not. If it's to the point where we still need masks to be around each other. I don't think it's going to happen. 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One point six five million viewers making it the lowest third hour in the history of the show and a lot of times when Ross. It's records we say well you know it was the lowest number and they say the show not counting holidays not counting this not counting no. This was the lowest rated our ever for any reason on any day. One point six five million viewers. We'll tell you about that. What this means as we head into wrestlemainia season and then all of the other news as well the first half of the bracket for the W. T. and T. Championship at Aws exte- both tonight eight. Elliot's been taping from an undisclosed location. A number of shows and of course exte- was taped by me last week and they are setting up the upcoming takeover which is going to be taking place on Wednesdays on an ex team. We've also got the John Jones Story Update on the latest. He yes was arrested again aggravated. Dwi position of an open container driving without proof of insurance and a firearm charge. 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One point nine two million viewers one point six five million viewers for our three was the lowest in the history of the show so this is not well the lowest except for Christmas Eve lowest except for New Year's Eve. No this was the lowest ever the go home show for Wrestlemainia. Twenty twenty decline was four percent from last week overall five percent in eighteen to forty nine point five eight average. That is way below what they normally are. Rows behind two episodes of love and hip hop and the key demo beat that show for most viewers when it comes to non news programming thirty first overall for the day but had more viewers than any non new show on cable. I third hour decline was twenty. Three percent fifth biggest in history decline is fifteen percent in women. Eighteen forty nine twenty two percent at eighteen to forty nine teenagers actually increased but their main audience over fifty fell twenty six percent from the first of the third hour. So I know some people will say well you know there was all these new shows while the first hour two point one four million viewers. That's bad but like there were new shows on in prime time when Roz started two point one four first hour one point nine nine million second hour one point six five million in the third hour now. Of course I post these numbers on twitter. In all the crazies come out of the woodwork. And everything's fine. Even though this is the lowest number of the shows ever done ever in history shows collapsing and yes I understand that there are extenuating circumstances and there are extenuating circumstances. There are a lot of people that are watching the news but the reality is and has been this like this for every promotion everywhere in the world. Okay when numbers are at this level. The fact of the matter is people are not interested in the builds wrestlemainia. Now the crazy folks on my twitter timeline. That heard that are talking about how. Everything's fine yes. They are invested in Wrestlemainia at. I'm happy for them. But the fact of the matter is people are not interested in Wrestlemainia this year. And obviously obviously part of this is that it's an empty arena format. I mean some of it may be that. They're not interested in the matches. Some of it is probably the bill to the matches is not satisfactory to them but the reality is it and I know that. I know that these are extenuating circumstances. But guess what? There have been extenuating circumstances in one way or another for a long time and by the way a lot of those. Extenuating circumstances don't involve a lot of people being forced to stay at home and only watch television. The fact of the matter is people are not interested in this year's wrestlemania. If they were these numbers would be much better if they were interested. In what W E is doing. These numbers would be much better so there are two big questions question number one is. This is the go home. Show for mania like as three questions question number one. What's the number going to be the night after Wrestlemainia? Well as we have seen on average W is no longer getting a pay per view bump. Now if there's ever a pay per view or that should be thrown out the window it would be Wrestlemainia Wrestlemainia. There should be a pay-per-view but you're asking people to watch two hours go home. Show smack down on Friday. Four hours of Wrestlemainia on Saturday. Four hours of Wrestlemania on Sunday. And then you're expecting that they're going to tune in for the full raw on Monday night. Okay the hardcore will but most people aren't so my gut is you're not gonNA see a pay per view bump after Wrestlemainia. That's number one number two now that wrestlemanias over and they're going to have to continue taping empty arena match somewhere. How much further is GONNA fall from? Here I mean my guess is probably maybe substantially further unless they have some really crazy wild thing book for Wrestlemainia that ignites everybody's interest in the middle of this but I don't think they do and then the most important question is I've mentioned this a thousand times when people get out of the habit of something sometimes they don't come back and clearly. A lot of people are getting out of the habit of watching Monday night raw and if he will continue to get out of the habit for days and weeks and maybe even months. What's going to happen when things opened up again? Are Those people going to come back to raw or are we going to be below two million viewers from here on out? None of these are positive scenarios. And if you try to spin it as a positive I mean. I'm just going to ignore you because it's insanity. Oh is that to me me me not anybody. That's the only way I could spend. It would be because the only thing anybody can really throw up to. You is well you know when it comes to total viewers. It's still the highest view. Show on cable. That's not news. Now that's the only thing I guess anybody can say that's positive for wwe. And that does matter. I mean it is amazing how. Wwe's able to hold up with their numbers regardless of anything even though they're dwindling they're still the number one rated show on cable most weeks that that's not news so that's a fact so that that is the only thing anybody has going for them it as we see with the third hour rating or the third hour number of one point six five million. I mean isn't that what about the network was drawing at the end when they stopped giving all the numbers? Is that about what it was doing. At the end is the number of people subscribing. Yeah because the way I was at one point five that was always my baseline so to me. It can actually go lower than that because whatever the network number is whatever that final one is to me that's what the actual baseline is so. This could actually slip further. This could slipped one four one five because that's how many hardcore is. Wwe has is going to pay for it. Monthly we'll see if there's a little bit of a spike after that after wrestlemainia. I don't know anybody that doesn't want to pay for Fox for sixty bucks but Yeah it can go down from here but I think again I the only thing I guess that I could throw at you would be. How do you answer anybody that says consistently this is still the number one rated show on cable? That's not the news of the five. The five the Fox show. Yeah heard about special report with Bret Baier. Will these are all new? Shows are all entertainment. News show has a mess. But I mean we're not talking one two and three. I mean there are many weeks. Were draws one two and three and they beat all the news. I mean this week. They were three four and seven and this is a. This is a big plunge. And what's scary about this? Is they're losing fifty plus which is their Claudius. I mean when you're losing your core audience. Fifty plus holy smokes and on top of that. They're they're they're young demographic which is normally not that great anyway twelve to thirty four I mean. Normally they're not doing that. Many people in two hundred thirty four anyway but that that Demo has plunged the show on Monday The twelve to thirty four male demo. Every single hour was lower than the previous Christmas Eve. Not just like our three. Every hour one was lower than Christmas. Eve Two thousand eighteen in males twelve. Thirty four okay. And that like if w is going to continue. I'm not saying the company's going out of business anytime soon but like if you're twenty five and you hope that you're going to have a kid here in a couple of years when your kids eight nine ten years old you guys go to. W. Me Together. I mean if this twelve to thirty four audience is is falling to this degree. And you know the older audiences is I mean. They gotta do something. This is bad but that's the thing we can't get to upon weekly ratings. You GotTa look at the atrophy amongst their hardcore base. Those types of demos moving forward because again as time marches on. We keep getting older people that keep coming after us. They're not as interested in this up as we were period. Like to add by the way that everybody wants to you. Oh Corona virus all this and that dude this. This is the all time low for that third hour but dude. They've been falling long before. There was a corona virus. These distressing numbers back in a moment. We are the debt destroy network any debt. You have credit card chance student. Loan debt call now for free information. That helps you destroy your debt. It's great advice plus when you make this free call now. We have debt destroyer experts. Ready to help they can show you how to destroy your debt and get your life back on track debt. Problems don't have to be overwhelming. 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The first half of the bracket has been announced tonight's eighty w dark cody versus. Shawn Spears and Darby Allen Versus Sammy. Guevarra are the matches on the left side of the bracket winner of those matches will face each other in the semifinals. And I believe tonight on dynamite. We'll be told the rest of the eight individuals involved. Cody Shawn Spears. Darby Ellen. Sammy Guevarra I guess the only one of those names that you would not consider like a big time star right now Shawn Spears. They've done a great job getting Darby and Sammy over. Cody's obviously over Shawn Spears. Been Hidden Miss. He's looking for a partner on twitter. So we'll see what happens. We've also got the Matches for tonight besides Those two there was another match Kenya. Make Trent and Lance Archer will make his aide W in ring debut that is all for tonight and the next day obviously has got all sorts of things setting up the big matches for the takeover special which is gonNa be airing on the USA network. Also John Jones pled guilty his DWI aggravated Dwi. By the way position of an open container driving without proof of insurance firearm charge pled guilty forty eight hours of community service and a monstrous fine of five hundred dollars that will learn them must compete a ninety day drug treatment outpatient program and install it ignition interlock device in his car may also need to wear an ankle monitor during his days. I guess doing whatever all four days of house arrest. He was that he might have to have an ankle monitor on house arrest for four days. So there you go. That's the update. All right text messages a lot of them here. You see the presentation of media being any different than what we've been getting on raw and smackdown. Yes Oh yes yes. I don't know what's going on okay. But they've had they're gonNA have like a long long time over a week Ten days to edit wrestlemainia and for better or worse I mean that that Gimmick that you saw with Elias King Corbin were Corbin lacked him. And then you had the shot of him falling from a great height and the crash and in the shot from the other angle looking down at him. That's that's going to be some of the stuff wrestlemainia. I think anything that shot on location bone yard match for example. I mean if you're if you're a fan of that kind of of laxness I mean you're going to get that it will be different from what you're seeing on. Ron smackdown I can. I can promise you that more bells more whistles more Gaga for sure. It's person ear says any truth to lower. I don't even know mega can arena. This why doesn't he? W just fill a couple of weeks of dynamite. With some of their better AWA dark matches instead of shooting new empty arena shows the most viewed episodes of dark is still only a third to half the average viewership of dynamite. Well it's actually much much lower because when you look at Youtube numbers I mean if I'm watching a video if I'm watching. Nwea power. Anything on Youtube. If I'm watching clips of this program on Youtube and afterwards Awa dark auto plays but then I shut the computer off that counts as a view even though I watch one second of the show so anything. That's that's not just a W. Dart anything on youtube our show any show when you see those youtube numbers that is the number of times video was started it has nothing to do with how many times the whole thing was watched or anything like that. Okay so yes. Most people haven't seen most what's aired on a w dark but as we've seen with with an x t and actually this is all changed by the way fans don't want to see a bunch of taped matches taped matches worked fine for week because there was a lot of curiosity but now the curiosity is gone and the problem the problem that WEF's facing and for all I know aws going to suffer from that tonight as well and exte- has fans they want to see live wrestling but they wanna see it like it used to be and for a while there they were okay just seeing live. Wrestling was better than watching tape matches. But as as exte- and smackdown and raw have shown people aren't into watching live matches at all right now in an empty arena. And it's hurt me badly and we'll find out it's it's it's mildly impacted. Aws they're still like an eight hundred fifty thousand last week. Eight hundred thirty nine thousand or something like that you know. Vw dropping his six hundred thousand. That's pretty scary. But that may be happening soon. Let me ask you a rhetorical question because it's a legitimate one as we move forward here obviously the replay ideas not working but is this moves on and marches forward and we get more shutdowns and all that other stuff would you if you're a W. and you have to do you start at the very beginning and start with debut episode if this is looking like it's going to be a long term thing through summer what. D- then do do you try to create some just new material with bts what what would you do if you're a w forget about annex t for a minute but how do you try to maintain any anything that you've got here is a new start a business? Here's here's the problem. If I may W I can't even answer you because the problem is as we saw with disown which has stopped paying the folks that they have under contract because places like dilatory can't provide content inside away. That should be a good thing with people saying about Delatour. Are they going to be paid for this? Next show as they paid the fighters the lascaux. I think this cut by zone. Indicate said problem. That's not going to be anything. But what I do know is disowned is not paying editor. Because Bella tours not running shows. So a w and a specially W. E. They're absolutely reliant on this television money and you know I can I if I were Tony. Connick had come up with the idea that I want but at the end of the day if TNT is paying me then they're gonna ask say in what airs like if I go listen. Tnt We need to. We need to just air a bunch of stuff from dark they do. We're not airing old episodes of dark like we need new content. I'm saying they're things I don't know what. Tnt saying absolutely no idea but I mean for USA network and Fox and Vince McMahon may go to them and say dude like this empty arena stuff. It's killing us. I WANNA put on a bunch of stuff from the attitude era and they may say Dude. We know we look at the numbers for your tape matches. And they're not doing all that great now. We need new content. I mean eight. W W we are at the mercy of the people paying them for their television and if they cannot provide television this could be real bad news so my guess is they're television partners. Want them to as safely as possible. Which means in the in the case of of Awt and T- wants ten people Max on any closed set and so I don't know what W E I don't know what USA are Fox's told W if they've told them anything but I mean it's clearly the same thing they didn't even have. They didn't have backstage interviewers on Monday. If like this is a skeleton crew on both shows and they're putting out new product. And when you're making two point lose it one point three billion one point. Four billion for your television deals over the next five years. I mean if they want live shows you better put live shows on otherwise I mean you tell you guys is appropriate until some of you be dumb but the smart people listening which is most of you. I mean you know the Status Company would be in if W television money. I mean they'd be. They'd be there. Goose would be cooked about that. You know from one extreme to another. I know this is really has nothing to do with in the grand scheme of things but you know in their universe is it does a little bit Charlie Caruso now going to be an actual onscreen character may be tied in with with being the maybe she could be the new wife of of in or Garza. Since they can't have any backstage interviewers anymore and she seems to be figured in with with Garza. Is she going to become a regular character now? I don't know but I know that last year's raw before Wrestlemainia did two point six million viewers. The show did one point nine. That is a loss of seven hundred thousand viewers in three hundred and sixty five days. The lowest our of raw last year on the raw before Wrestlemainia was better than the best. Our of raw on Monday night our three last year two point four million viewers our one this year two point one million viewers the first hour of raw last year. Two point seven eight eight million viewers so two point eight million the third hour of raw this year. One POINT SIX MILLION. So that is that is. A loss of a million viewers was has been terrifying over the last couple years. But Hey everything's fine sure Of course it is. Those demos don't matter at all building new fans doesn't matter at all we've got TV money but for how long it's I'm obviously no easy to cry for. Wwe They're not going out of business or anything like that. But Yeah I mean. These numbers are going to continue to. They're not they're going to rear their head now. They're showing themselves. But whether really GonNa have impact is still going to be five ten years down the line. Spurs in says for the Lowest Rating. What constitutes modern history? I'm guessing Mabel squashes from ninety five had lower viewership numbers for modern history. I mean we're probably talking like Monday night. Wars era but the reality is that the third hour of raw the third hour of raw on Monday. Night go home. Show go home segments. Paul Heyman said that was the lowest in the history of this show. Not Modern history. That means yes. Mabel squashes from nineteen ninety-five did better numbers than the third hour of raw on Monday. Night back in a moment Paul. London turned the show around observer. Life we interrupt your regularly scheduled programing a special news alert good afternoon. Everyone and happy April first to all of you. I'll restrain myself for many April fools jokes up here but I do hope that you'll play at least one prank on somebody. Some practical joke today and find something to laugh about on a serious note. Today is National Census Day. You might ask. Why do we need to proceed with a census right now? Don't we have bigger things to worry about with our battle against Kovic nineteen? And here's my answer. Yes we are in the biggest battle of our lifetimes against covert nineteen. But it's important to look beyond this fight today and to take this moment to think about our future. It's incredibly important to make sure that every Illinois resident from newborn babies two great grandparents is counted in the census. The census is far more than just a survey. It will determine how much of your tax dollars we get back from the federal government and it will help decide how much power Illinois will have in terms of congressional representation and Electoral College votes for the next decade based upon our two thousand ten census. Count the last time we ran. A Census Illinois today collects over thirty four billion dollars per year in federal funding for vital services like education and business investment childcare workforce training transportation and healthcare. But if we fail to count everyone in Illinois it could result in the state losing over one hundred ninety five million dollars per year in federal funds for each one percent. We undercount ourselves. I know people are anxious and worried right now about the covert nineteen pandemic. We are facing an invisible enemy and there are a lot of unknowns. I understand but I think this moment has also illustrated how connected we all are. And how important is that? We keep the Structural Foundation. Verse our society well funded and well thought for one of the best things that you can do to help our state in the long run tell part doctors and nurses are first responders. Teachers Grocery store workers are delivery drivers and everyone else is to continue to stay at home and take ten minutes and fill out your census form online. I want to remind everyone that there is no citizenship question. On the census let me repeat that there is no citizenship question. On the census form you will not be ask your immigration status and your information will not be shared with anyone at the federal level the US Census Bureau has temporarily suspended in person interviews and postponed. Twenty twenty cents is field operations. That's the right call for the safety of the Census Bureau Employees Census Volunteers and for the public at large here in Illinois. We're doing everything we can to make sure everyone is counted and because a lot has changed over the last month or to change our strategies are twenty nine million dollar investment in the census. This year is now being directed toward efforts like social media outreach and expanding our remote home-based phone banking texting and virtual assistance programs and with help from our thirty local census hub partners across the state were modifying are targeted outreach to our hard to count populations like rural communities minority populations blended households young children low income families and college students just to name a few. It has never been easier to respond on your own to the census all without having to meet a census taker in person. You can easily complete the census. While social distancing online you can visit my twenty twenty Census Dot Gov my twenty twenty census dot Gov and fill out the census. Now on your computer. Your tablet or your phone by phone. Call eight four four three three zero twenty twenty eight four four three three zero twenty twenty to fill out the census over the phone the US Census Bureau offers assistance in fifty nine non English languages including American sign language by mail fill out the census form that you received in the mail and return it free of charge to the US Census Bureau. So when you have an extra ten minutes take the time to fill out your census form. Let me also remind you the for those who wanted to Get a response by text. You have questions you want answered. You can text to nine eight seven nine eight seven and you'll get an immediate response you count. Everyone counts no matter where you used to live. No matter what language you speak no matter how old you are you count and we are happy to have you in the state of Illinois. I also WANNA take a minute today to talk to you about healthcare. I've used this platform to describe the efforts that my administration is making to expand and simplify healthcare access for our residents in this time. When every individual's health care is essential for our collective well-being to further that effort. I joined Republican and Democratic Governors in asking the federal government to open a special enrollment period of the affordable. Care ACT TO EXPAND healthcare access to Americans during this period of unprecedented health challenges. We have at least eight hundred thousand uninsured people in Illinois over five hundred thousand of whom could potentially sign up for the ACA tomorrow. If the federal government opened up a special enrollment period some White House officials are saying that the president will not be re opening the insurance marketplace in response to the corona virus. Frankly this is leadership malpractice now more than ever. We need as many people as possible to have access to healthcare to seek out testing if we're ever going to be able to fight. Covert Nineteen and eliminate it as a major risk to our people on that same note. The trump administration's continued pursuit of illegal case to destroy the affordable care act which has provided healthcare to tens of millions of Americans is a special insult to the people of this nation at this moment to seek to kill the day at a time like this not to mention ever undermines everything that we're trying to do to keep people safe for Illinois who were recently laid off because of covert nineteen. I want them to know that they are eligible to enroll in the ACA right now anyway. Because of a clause in the act allowing those experiencing a qualifying life event to enroll at this time if that may be you please visit our healthcare portal in Illinois called get covered Dot Illinois Dot. Edu Get covered dot Illinois Dot Edu. I also want to provide an update on our search. Sorry I WanNa give you that address again because I got it wrong get covered dot Illinois Dot Gov get covered Dot Illinois Dot Gov. I also want to provide an update on our search for new or renewing healthcare workers. We have now received over one thousand one hundred applications from both former healthcare workers looking to rejoin the fight and from out of state professionals. Who Want to help Illinois many of whom are Illinois residents? Who happened to practice in a border city in another state right now. Those numbers are running about half and half with more applications coming in every day. It's really incredible to watch. The people of the state are truly so deeply genuinely caring and want to remind healthcare workers already licensed in the State of Illinois to sign up for an emergency alert system. So that in the event of an urgent need such as those created by cove nineteen. Our public health officials will be able to contact you immediately to ask that you volunteer your critical skills at that moment. The websites to register for that is Illinois helps dot net. We're also hard at work exploring options to allow some of our fourth year medical students and nursing students at the end of their programs to join the fight against Kovic nineteen finally before I turn it over to. Ibp H director. Dr In Gaza is he gay. I want to draw attention to an announcement that my wife First Lady K Pritzker Chicago. First Lady Amy Eshelman Mayor. Lory lightfoot and I made this morning the launch of a new relief fund specifically dedicated to supporting artists and artisans and cultural organizations impacted by Kovic nineteen this partnership among the city of Chicago the State of Illinois and our philanthropic community called the Arts Illinois. Relief Fund has already raised more than four million dollars to support grant programs for both nonprofit arts organizations and for individual artists including stage and production members. Additionally Arts for Illinois has launched a free online platform featuring performers and singers poets painters writers and other Illinois creatives who have made their work available for the public to enjoy while you're following are stay at home order there are musical performances called quarantine concerts features from children's theaters and even the lyric opera of Chicago. Really there's something for everyone to enjoy joining us. Today is Amanda Williams Chicago Artists and an arts free annoy steering committee member. Who will talk more about this program? In just a few moments art has always been of incredible importance to me and to my family but of course so many of the usual ways of enjoying art together have had to be put on and tragically are creative communities have felt the financial hardship when M. K. Who has always put others front of mind in any? Hardship told me that she had an idea to support art and artists in the fight against cove in nineteen. I was really excited to see what she would come up with. Honestly she's blown me away and I encourage you to check it out for yourself. People Interested in donating to the fund artists seeking financial assistance. And those looking just to experience art remotely should all visit the arts for Illinois website at arts for Illinois Dot Org. Thank you very much and now I'd like to turn it over to Dr in Gaza. Has He ever good afternoon today again? I bring sobering news with the report of nine hundred. Eighty six new cases including forty two additional deaths related to covert nineteen that brings our total in Illinois to six thousand nine hundred eighty cases and one hundred and forty one deaths here in Illinois. Of course we all understand that. These deaths represent people's mothers and fathers and grandmothers and grandfathers and children and Co workers and neighbors and teachers. These are people that are no longer with us and we extend our heartfelt S- sympathy to the families that they represent so many people are working so hard to help protect the health of Illinois. We salute our first responders our military represented by Illinois National Guard our healthcare workers the truck drivers who make sure that our stores are still stocked sanitation workers. We're grateful for all of you but I'd also like to take this opportunity to think the hardworking staff at the Illinois Department of Public Health. I stand before you each day providing data that our incredible team at ID PH has worked so diligently to collect to investigate and to analyze. I'm so proud to be at the helm of the agency at this time alongside such a talented crew. Public Health is like the Stealth Agency that flies under the radar. Our work is often invisible because of the illnesses and the injuries that we are successful in preventing through our work but now the whole world is getting a glimpse of the work that it takes to respond to a pandemic we are running and running suspected cove in nineteen lab specimens in each of our three state labs. We are tracking cases of covert nineteen throughout the state in every one of these devastating losses of life. We're tracking demographic data to keep ourselves honest and ensuring that equity and equal access occurs in Tex- in testing on a daily basis. Id PHP hospital data on the number of beds and how many ventilators meanwhile the nearly four hundred babies that are born. Still every day in Illinois are still being tested at our labs for for sickle cell or cystic fibrosis and the sixty plus other diseases. On the newborn screening panel we continue to monitor cases of tuburculosis conduct surveillance for pretentious legionnaires disease and so many other infectious diseases were still processing issuing birth certificates. Death certificates marriage certificates through our vision. Vital records. The work that we've always done can't be stopped so I deep has been working tirelessly team I salute you. I'd also like to give a big shout out to all of the local public health departments who work hand in hand with us. They are our essential partners in our fight against this virus the coming weeks are going to get more and more difficult as the number of cases and deaths continued to rise but I'm not urging people to despair. Let's be strong and courageous. Don't be terrified. Don't be discouraged. The courageous actions that we need to take our well within our grasp and those actions are the ones we've been saying from the outset. Wash your hands stay at home clean frequently touched surfaces all of these things seem minimal but these are the courageous actions that are going to save lives and eventually end this pandemic. We are blessed to be under the tremendous leadership governor Pritzker and his team not to mention all state agencies and community partners and business partners. Who are all helping Illinois Weather? This unprecedented event. No there's not a vaccine yet and there's currently no specific treatment although trials are underway. But what we do have science telling us that social distancing works and it's one of our best strategies to get on the other side of this unprecedented event it is behavior is my behavior. It's everyone's behavior that will turn this tide. 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I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to Governor Pritzker Mayor Lori lightfoot for your relentless leadership during this pandemic and to thank you so much for your support that you've shown to the arts and Cultural Community today with the announcement of the Artists Arts Illinois and art for Illinois Relief Fund. Thank you. I'm here today. Representing tens of thousands of artists brilliant talented and passionate individuals across Illinois who have been separated from their livelihood as well exhibitions and performances for my friends and colleagues for myself have been canceled and I'm seeing firsthand. How artists are hurting from this crisis. And it's not just visual artists that I'm talking about actors musicians dancers choreographers. Playwrights Lighting Techs Costume fabricators wigmakers carpenters electricians stage managers box office staff ushers facilities workers and the many more individuals and organizations that are immediately impacted when our theaters went dark studios went silent. Museums and galleries closed their doors. But Arts and creatives are resilient we to in some ways are the front line of being the bellwethers of these moments where we all have to come together as humans we will not stop making creating inspiring challenging bearing witness and bringing hope in fact. That's all we know to do in these moments. We're here just to ask for your support. But it's also part of the solution today in this moment of crisis even now we're still creating and connecting. I'll be at virtually and we're sheltering in place and we need the arts now more than ever again. Thank you to the State of Illinois governor the city of Chicago and Mayor Lightfoot and the foundations and individuals who've already stepped up to provide financial support to my peers the creative community during this time. I like to offer special recognitions to the Arts Alliance Illinois which has been the leader in bringing together so many funders artists and partners to launch arts for Illinois and the Relief Fund a member of the steering committee and there to make sure that the artist voice is heard. This relief fund will provide immediate support to full and part-time creative community workers as well as organizations through grant process which will be awarded to individuals by three arts and to arts organizations by art work fund individuals and organizations can apply through the art for Illinois Website Arts Illinois Dot Org again that's arts for Illinois Dot. Org We'd be remiss if we didn't think all of the funders including the city of Chicago Department of Cultural Affairs which has contributed one million dollars to the fund along with leadership gifts from the Walder Foundation. The John D and Catherine T. Macarthur Foundation as well as funding contributions from the Albert Pick Junior Fund. The Chicago Community. Trust the Elizabeth Morris Charitable. Trust Exelon the Field Foundation Gaylord and Dorothy Donnelly Foundation. Iris Irving Harris Foundation the Joyce Foundation Cassi Davis. Paul M Anglet Angle. Family Foundation hoped Brothers Foundation the Richard Dream House Foundation State of Illinois and the tariff on Dacian for American art. And if you're tired after hearing that list imagine all of the work that went into getting all of the entities and organizations and the understanding of how important artists and arts organizations are to the state of Illinois and to our society. There's so much need in so many communities across Illinois we're all hurting our country as well as the world. This fund is so deeply appreciated. But it's just the beginning of what is needed my fellow artists. I speak to you now and that my hope is that this emergency fund can help you. Keep your lights on or bridge you until the next cell phone. Bill is due or to put food on your table. This is a crisis and we understand the severity but our hope is that this provides some light some beacon of hope. I know the uncertainty and pain. You're feeling but I hope we can all lean in on our generosity for those of you wanting to help may also visit that site to make additional donations and these unprecedented times arts for Illinois Dot. Org is not only a place to apply for relief or to make those donations but also to be filled with art experiences generously made available by the creative communities and arts organizations that provide invaluable platforms for expression all the time in our normal lives. And if you're like my husband and I who are now suddenly teachers. Homeschooling are two small daughters. This is an invaluable site to expose You're young ones and your loved ones to all the breadth of what the arts cree community can create. This is something for everyone for every age and new content will be added daily. If you're an artist interested in adding content please also reach out and with that. I'm going to turn the podium back over to the governor for questions. Thank you so much for your attention. Thank you be remiss if I didn't also add that In addition to Amanda help and so many of the organizations that Amanda was calling out I just wanted to acknowledge Nora daily who's been a real leader in the arts in the city of Chicago Who stepped up and was quite involved in helping to organize this and get something important done For the artist community. So I know she didn't get mentioned in our remarks but I I just wanted to make sure that you knew how involved she was in that so with that happy to take any questions from members of the media questions rooms that everybody on the life shift. I will spend what prospect of probably. It is very hard to know to be honest with you. I mean I think you've seen that you know as I put in a stay at home order and When we started with the Closing of schools and so on you know we were relying upon what we knew at that time which seemed like it was just weeks. Perhaps that were necessary We're continuing to follow the science to know what date we ought to be extending to. There are states who have chosen different dates for their stay at home order And so you know. We're looking at all of that. If there was a definitive answer I would hope that the CDC would put that forward to everyone. It's unclear to be frank with you And so we're listening to the best minds that we can to get the right answer right now. We've extended are stay at home and all of the other orders to April thirtieth. But as I have said we're going to continue to evaluate every day whether we'll need to extend that at any point but right now I think that that seems like the right period of time again not knowing exactly when we might peak or and come off of that peak which is a very important Point at which will be making new evaluations. Thank you of course with perspective on the shop. Rising number of deaths in Greece are they are they connected to one bit silly question working mast with the CDC guidelines that you mentioned one two three days out someone who is not symptomatic prior to having symptoms Putin containers and the early guidance. Ayar ill through. Probably where past resent others with that logic? Should all be wearing this if they could be contagious? Prior to knowing better I the I do that in. The first question was The perspective on the Heightened number of deaths. I think I think I have said I hope I have said Every day that we knew we would see more cases and we knew would see more desk so as we develop more cases we we are going to have more deaths I can't tell you. can't predict exactly the number that it will be obviously each day but we know generally following Data that we have from around the world. Unfortunately we have a lot of information From all the situations all the cases from around the world we know that Approximately twenty percents End Up requiring hospitalization And more more More severe care and that about five Five percent require ICU. Care we know that the mortality rate is somewhere between maybe one and three percent so I think our numbers are unfortunately going to bear that out and we will see growth in the number of death. Mo- most unfortunately until we get to that PECAN. Hopefully we have done All that we can all that we can in terms of staying home and doing all these mitigation efforts so that the peak is lower than was originally anticipated An additional question was regarding the CDC's guidance who was they said. Forty eight hours. You said three days. It was forty eight hours Potentially before onset of symptoms that you could potentially be transmitting the virus so of course the best way to not get. Ill is to stay at home right. It's to stay at home. It's too if you wash your hands twice a day. You're doing a great job if you wash your hands five times ten times a day. You're doing an even better job if you clean the frequently touched surfaces so all of these measures obviously are helpful when we say. Cover your cough. The point of covering your cough is that you're not letting those droplets go onto the person standing in front of you go on to the person that you're in front of you so the covering your cough covering your sneeze. And the social distancing are essentially similar to the advice of wearing the mask so idea of wearing the mask as you said would be to keep keep those droplets potentially from spring on others so I understand what you're saying that that is logical and so we want everybody to do the most that they can to prevent potentially infecting others before they know it. And we know that covering your cough staying away from people And potentially some kind of covering of your mouth and nose. What also potentially be helpful this well. We are working closely alongside our public health Champion and federal partner the CDC We know that we'll see. They're looking at guidance. Now and so we. We will be coming forth with our guidance as well but these are very important issues that we're discussing and want to be you know ahead of the curve in doing all that we can to protect the people of Illinois so okay so the information in terms of what is out there in terms of what mass can do show that of course if something is going to cover droplets and help prevent the spread of droplets that that that would be helpful so We know that that is part of a mitigation strategy as well as staying home and social distancing as well as washing your hands as well as the infection control practices so we know that not one practice alone will do it. We know that we need the full cash of all of these practices. Everything will be additive cumulative and helping decrease decreasing the spread and flattening the curve. Yes so we had one hundred and twenty seven. That were tested. There are some test results. That are still pending. But we did have a third. We sent some test to different places and so some of the tests are still pending but bottom line. We had forty forty five percent of the test that I have that are back. Were positive we do have nineteen Individuals that are hospitalized at different hospitals throughout the state and we're working with area hospitals to make sure that if additional people require hospitalization that they will get timely Transfer to a local hospital to get the services that they mean nineteen in hospitals. Yes oh I'm sorry this day. Fill State Ville. Yeah sorry one thousand nine hundred foam. Yeah so yes or on the other. Have you considered any? Nfl or were well. We would certainly encourage people who are moving about the country. They're coming home or they're planning to stay here that they should in fact stay at home and they should try to self quarantine you know. We're not identifying people marking them that they came from one particular place or another Because honestly even though you might say that we'll someone from New York there's a higher percentage perhaps if people from New York the truth. Is that this. This virus really knows no bounds You can come from anywhere and have it You can come from anywhere and not have it So we are encouraging everybody to stay home. That is really the purpose of the home. And I guess I want to add to something that Dr Zeki said That while the question about masks is it. Effective where mask. I'm sure more effective than not wearing a mask But but it does not replace staying at home. Staying at home is the best mitigation strategy. Please stay home. We're thinking about you know we're thinking about these things all the time you know what what are the best strategies we obviously look to the CDC to start with right. These are you know these are tremendous scientists Who who have been working on these things for many years you know how viruses get transmitted and so we obviously have some terrific expertise right here in Illinois so we sort of take the CDC and then we take the expertise that we've got in the state of Illinois Meld that together and try to come up with the best answer sometimes we're ahead of the CDC with the answers that we come up with and so that's certainly something. I would not discourage people from wearing masks in fact. I think that there's some evidence to show that It can be effective. And are we thinking about changing policy again? We're evaluating these things every day. What are the ways we can tighten policy? You heard just the other day that we gave guidance we worked with the grocers to give guidance with in grocery stores because we were seeing so many people packed together in a grocery store. People not Offer not always You know following social distancing guidelines and so the the grocery stores did quite a lot. They put marks on the floor. Many of them showing with six feet is so that you could say apart from one another and so on. I'm sorry I haven't repeated the questions I get asked. I'm getting that from my press secretary over there But but you know we we are. We are constantly looking at Things like whether you should wear masks whether gloves or effective how often you ought to be Wiping down surfaces in your in your own home. People think well. Gee I'm alone in my home or you know. I'm worth the same people. Do I really need to wipe down those surfaces? Well guess what everybody's touching different things right And then they go and sit in the same place. They sat three hours earlier. But now you've got things on your hands perhaps that you're transferring to surfaces and may not realize it or someone else transferred it to a surface in your home and your now touching it and then you touch your face. So it's just very important that people wash your hands wipe down surfaces you know. Follow our social distancing guidelines when you go outside and we gotta get to some questions from On Line distancing. Are you considering taking? Actions delayed the deadline for the second installment for property tax payments currently around August. First or do you think that is one deadline. The state cannot afford to push back That is not a state function To just to be clear this is You heard the question everybody so the The the fact is these are functions of local governments and county governments state does not collect property taxes and those decisions get made by local governments county governments read. Well I can save. We've made changes obviously at the state level to you. Know we've moved back. Our income tax state Due date to July fifteenth. We've given people who owe sales taxes to the state and local governments. Simile Leeway. There are a couple of months and so on so you know. I think those will be decisions. A lot of it has to do with the local county and city governments and whether they can function without the cash flow. That comes at that time and how they would actually get Get that done director. Can you please explain the numbers? In a more clear fashion for people on the cases at St Ville and then there are also questions about what the National Guard is doing it stateful so we had we have tested one hundred and twenty seven individuals. Eighty of those samples were sent to a university lab. Another forty seven percent outs elsewhere Of the eighty that we were able to get back We had forty four thirty. Six were positive Which gave us about a forty five percent positivity rate we have nineteen individuals who are hospitalized and at multiple different hospitals throughout the state. And we're continuing to monitor Other individuals that are still in the facility. Turn it over to brigadier new? A good afternoon. the question concerning what the National Guards Doing to support the state bill Penitentiary is really were were providing about thirty individuals primarily medical technicians that will be able to support Establishing tents that will be able separate out Inmates and provide them a little bit more Distancing and to kind of quarantine them off into a different area in the in the prison Those tents will be supported by National Garden medical technicians were also providing some support within the actual Penitentiary with the Both visitors that are coming in as such as vendors and that making sure that we're doing Health checks before they come into the prison as well as employees that are returning every day and so we'll be assisting out in in those areas just really augmenting that staff that's been kinda pleaded the last several days Do to do to the flu and the Kobe. Nineteen what they're looking at is I believe one of the scenarios is to actually put the Ten cents to the Gymnasium area and then that way the we could put patients at a time into those tents and then that way the the general Infirmary area and KINDA SEGREGATE THE COVA. Nineteen patients away from the rest of the arrest of the patients and then The won't be able to monitor them more closely watching their Temperatures real closely if they need additional savings yes Brigadier General Richard. Neely the action general. Thank you the best adjutant general in the country. I might add not getting. What IF ANYTHING. All these people are not lose that as well. I can say is. We're working fast and furiously as you know. There have been an increase in the number of people who are eligible for snap benefits but suffice to say that the to the extent. There's any delay. I'll make sure that I work with my staff so that we address that we understand. How vitally important is you know? Unemployment snap benefits wick These are people are already on the very edge of You know not being able to survive really and so we want to make sure we do it as fast as possible so here on the first of the month yet to the extent people are not receiving that. I want to know about it. And we'RE GONNA make sure to address it got year one state run facility there. What you say to the families feel breakdown fired a spread within the facility under the staffers who feel that we've provided not only do we have a actually a very strong policy but we also provided significant amounts of PP. Look there is no doubt. And you've heard this from Our medical experts that sometimes congregate facilities are difficult because of the you know the very nature of people living in the same facility but You know we've provided some folks To you who are engaged in that facility and Who have felt like you know? We are actually running it reasonably well Doing the right things at the right time. Sometimes yeah the viruses. So it's an invisible virus you know you just don't know where it's GonNa come from. We're doing everything we can to try to separate people out Who may have contracted the virus to detect it? You just heard General neely talk about you know taking temperatures and checking people's medical situation before they enter facility. We're trying to do that in as many places as we can So you know we're doing doing the best we can. We're we're certainly trying our best to take care of our our seniors. Our children People who are in our care As prisoners to So we're we're addressing as best we can and again In each of these situations our number one concern is the welfare of the people who are in our care and so again. We're we're providing all of the facilities that we can all of the P. p. e. and supplies that we can in order to address these challenges in the room. I'm working on behalf of their colleagues. I'M GONNA try and get some of their other questions. Then we may not have as many confirmed cases downstate but already clusters of cases and a senior home in Taylorville outnumber the available number of ICU. Beds at the hospital in town. What is your administration doing to coordinate? The response in rural areas with critical access hospitals and should county officials. Make those numbers of available. Icu BEDS PUBLIC. So our ICU. Bed Situation in the state you know we. We actually are You know as you know this is as we move toward the peak of this We are going to be filling up. Icu beds across the state. It isn't the same in every area there critical access hospitals that may have fewer. Icu BEDS There are other hospitals in other areas of the state that may have more availability just as a percentage of of what they've got so So as far as Nursing homes and and making sure that we're providing the right care and the right places we are working really expeditiously With all of the hospitals whenever there is whenever they're moving toward filling up all of their. Icu beds are filling up all of their available Beds across a whole hospital We're trying to make sure that we're either offloading the non acute People who are in the hospital the patients in the hospital or We're providing additional facilities for people To to have you know. Icu capability so with rare nursing homes. You've heard I mean these are challenging situation. So what we do. Nursing homes typically is if the nursing home will allow the separation of people who are Kovic positive from people who aren't in other words literally in separate wings or in separate floors. Were attempting to do that. And certainly there's a quarantine going on in many of these facilities to make sure. Mpp that's been distributed across the facilities. Um To make sure that we're keeping people as safe as possible. It is hard as you know in a nursing home situation to move some people They are just because of their current medical condition And so again trying to isolate those who are not sick and don't have covert nineteen from those who are sick and do You know is something that we're again working at constantly all the time because we really don't want to make sure that the infection doesn't spread who's going to staff the McCormick place facility if it's needed an are you getting the numbers of healthcare professionals you to staff the three thousand? Bud Facility. Well let me say just broadly. There are not enough healthcare. Workers in the workforce today. So if you have the capability if you are somebody who is nearing the end of your medical training whether it's a nurse or a doctor if you're somebody who is has been inactive but had a license at one time and if you're somebody who lives in Illinois but but Works in another state is healthcare professional and are willing perhaps to do some of your work here in Illinois. We need you so that is my broad answer. With regard to McCormick place. We have been in process of attracting Some of those healthcare professionals existed Taking existing professionals who work with contracting entities there are companies out there that have healthcare professionals that are on contract with them and they actually contract groups of healthcare professionals to organizations just nor in normal times and so we've done some contracting with them in order to staff what we need at McCormick place. Once again we have. We believe that we have enough to staff the first five hundred beds which will be coming online This coming week or during this week I should say But but you know we have some for the remaining beds but we need more. There's no doubt vocation Actually don't know what if there are. I know I know we have drive through facilities but remember that the waiting get tested is you have got to contact your healthcare professional right. Whoever that may be or if you don't have one that's like your doctor. You can certainly contact the the Department of Public Health in your county to find out where you how you can connect with a health care professional and over the phone determine what the symptoms are and whether or not you would qualify and then sometimes get a flu tests or some other viral tests other than a Cova test because they're so limited the number of Kobe tests so Once that happens you would get You know essentially slip to go get either an drive through facility or in a hospital or even from your own doctor a swab taken because remember where you're swab is taken where the test is actually Determine whether you have it or not are often in different places unless you happen to be at the hospital. Are you considering calling the General Assembly to meet someplace else or to meet virtually so the General Shembe leaders are talking about how they might be able to accomplish a General Assembly Legislative Session It is something that I think may be very important to do. It's hard to do. There are one hundred and seventy seven members of the General Assembly. And we're asking people to stay home and not congregate in groups of more than ten so Some governors might think. This is a dream that you can't your legislature together But we have things that we need to get done in the state of Illinois. I'm hoping that we'll be able to figure out how we might be able to get them. meeting and. I know that the leaders are thinking about that as well. How WOULD YOU RECOMMEND CHURCHES? Handle Easter Sunday services. Well I would suggest that many people need to attend services online That that churches should try their best to provide a connection on the Internet It's it may be the best way in order to make sure that your abiding by the stay at home rule. Which is so vitally important. I understand how important worship is and especially in these moments but it can be done virtually And I would suggest that people should never you know despite the desire on Easter to get together to celebrate together to worship together. I would still tell people. Please stay home. Please stay home in contact. Your you know your pastor To find out if they have services online that you can participate in or at least view. This'll be our last question. Have you been in contact with the Legislative Leisure leaders and Budget Committee chairs to talk about a revised? Fyi twenty-one budget and what if any major changes from your original budget proposal do you think the state will need? I don't think I could list all the changes that would need to be made to the original budget Our budget proposal was Put together in January presented in February And and weeks and weeks before The Cova crisis came upon us. Or at least we were all aware of how serious it was so there's I have had conversations with various members of the General Assembly and leaders Just to begin we are obviously working on our end to figure out what is the revenue shortfall. What what are the challenges that we're going to go through? When do we think that will begin to see revenue return you know and trying to make estimates of that as you can imagine at? This moment are very difficult. When I can't even tell you I couldn't tell you two days ago that we're going to extend the stay at home Rule that we put in place so So we're still working on it. There's no doubt and it will be a vastly different budget. There's no doubt about that as well. Thank you for news. Twenty four seven check out our website at hotline Newsfeed Dot Com. You Toss and turn. Could you just not get comfortable? He did then. 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He says he was still hopeful. Congress will follow his recommendation that it set up a bipartisan commission as outlined in the state of the Union message January fifth. This commission will investigate charges. That negroes are being deprived of the vote in some localities and are being subjected to unwarranted economic pressures. In Nicosia Cyprus British authorities abruptly ordered a curfew in the old walled city of Nicosia to prevent any Easter Sunday violence on the first anniversary of the e okay an extremist organization. The rebel faction taunted the British. What the boast that in its first year of existence killed one hundred seventy three Britons the order keeping everyone indoors in the old section of Nicosia came almost without warning and six thirty PM. A similar curfew also went into effect in Brasilia striking. Dairy Farmers CUT DETROIT'S MILK SUPPLY. Even more on the sixth day of their strike. Mass picketing blockaded milk depots in rural areas and kept milk tank trucks from reaching the city state city and county officials set up an emergency supply depot and Herman Keeper Hospital to Ration Milk for children and sick persons southeastern Michigan was tense with reports of imminent clashes between one faction of farmer supporting the strike and another opposing it. The administration's top Senate farm spokesman Predicting Today Congress will make the much disputed Farmville more acceptable to President Eisenhower before its final passage however leading Democrat sharply disputed the GOP. View that the bill now being rewritten into a Senate House compromise version still contains provisions. Which Mr Eisenhower would refuse to accept? Call Them Beena. The firecracker dealt which is flown at Florence every holiday Saturday for centuries turned into smokes spectacular performance in history. Tonight the metal the wisdom of the Florence Cathedral on the guiding wire right smack into a decorated car motive with fireworks. The cart exploded in a shower of sparks and flames Florentines. We consider the success or failure the annual Clyde and indication of how the year will go for please and half pennies which had become almost worthless in Australia. It takes four to buy a box of matches back in circulation in Sydney. The reason that the new taxes increase the price of beer to one shilling one and a half pennies or thirteen cents. American and though some of these top news stories as reported in the newspapers of Sunday April First Nineteen fifty-six on your Radio Fort Laramie which continues now on Classic Radio Theater. Act like this happens every day man. Just rest easy in your saddles and talk to each other. Captain Order Carpet at the ready. That notre major it's commonsense. Show them we'll fight. Don't draw your pistol major. You'll spoken for sure waving that thing around eight of opened up by now they were going to bye is chief among you. Which of you is was AIA. Either soldiers come to us. We have done no wrong. I brought you. Your scalping knife was here the one called. Kunene woman killed child killer die of fear when he found my shine that insolent beggars. He says that you came for vengeance. And that you stole his son. I HAVE STOLEN NO SONS. Euler at his house and now the boys missing stolen. Oh boy. He's lying captain. What does the high sold? You'll say I say you'll lying. Major are strict true. We'll search your camp and find out how much truth. We want no shoulders in our family. I'll eat there any way you can stop. You haven't been able to stop me but I sure tried trouble. We want no trouble. We are at peace. You don't want to send you can't because your life the search is going to be made and if you resist us I'll see the whole second cavalry out to do the job. Doing the kind of foods are coming Katherine Salary Major. They're going back to their camps those well. At least I've seen a prime example of on a soft policy brings about hostels moved up here from the Seventh Cavalry area. Undoubtedly the arrest repair equipment and go back to take up the attack again. Some of them do some of them. Don't good ones and bad ones with these people? Same as there are with whites until such time as a magician attached to the second who can distinguish between the two captain pressure should be exerted against all of them will return to the. I'm going to recommend that. At least two troops assigned to this matter until at boys recovered with your permission to stay here. Sergeant goes will take command of the patrol and escort you. Why on earth stay here? I need your statement of the Fort. You have plenty of other witnesses before you come back with two troops of cavalry. I'd I'd have liked to see what one man can do. In that camp. Your thinking as an individual again kept him a hard habit to break so if it doesn't work it will make a strong point in your survey report very well I trust. You don't expect commendation on your stubbornness I do plan to make reference to your on military behavior sleep better if we could send old brass shoulders alone watching. She want me to stay with you go but I don't need. You may look crazy but I don't think any young in there you will serve. I don't figure he is. I'm thinking if I was was I and had kidnapped the boy I sure wouldn't have left a knife to point the finger at me and I would a high tailed it out of these parts a long time before this. You're right get ready to go far enough. What you meant goes yes. Good Luck Wong. Easy you see interest. Lenore then come out here was I am so we can talk without being bothered by others. We talk about the Sean I did not steal. I believe you. I believe that you didn't steal him is Soldiery Blind Cuts Flint. He's new to this country. Yes much to learn back. Bring more soldiers to attack us. That's what's in his mind now. It'll take a day so you have time to move your camp range word from her shoulder. Stand with me when the high soldiers edge I li- I've heard much of you if you were going to steal son do it better than this are shared. There's the days gone where no son brought only gladness through his father. The father looks through the day. Renew Sean Reaches Manhood. And she's nothing but sadness and hunger fighting a war that we're not be one. Some nights sleep runs away from me. I think my Sean I am happy that he is not with me. Who share the trouble that follows I would still know son? I have nothing to give him. You'll you'll truly want peace was a peace with honor. We are tired of fighting and running. This is a small thing a missing child when you measure it against the bigness of the trouble that we're all in all the tribes all the army units but it's a thing that could start everything up again word from the major could go to Washington. Words rummage mind. They'd be believed because no other words. Good go to say they were wrong. I liked to stop it was I am. Would you help me? I would've shy per soldier if you and I could find the boy and take him back. Everyone would know that you're a man of honor and truth and that you lead peaceful band high soldiers work would be lives. You'd be right. He'd be wrong or that. I would have have any other. New Bands moved into this section. That could have taken the boy shorts short one from my drive. I would you find out if they have him. Would you do it? I will do that. I'll try and get a line on him. Would you meet me in the wash near? Coons place at sunrise tomorrow. 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He has an uncle in the Rock River settlement. He's talked to some of his young friends about going to live with him. He told them the trail he'd take if I put you on it. You pick up his sign and follow it Her followed older shine. He'll go then here. I'd say yes to and clothing and sore knee rested here. I think we glasses pressure down. He's travelled a long way for an eight year old. I think not much. Farther than dish started. Very slow from here Billy Billy you're gonNA take you home. It's all right billy. Who was he. His name was Cya. He's a friend of mine. You're good strong boy to come this far by her son. I would hope he would be so strong. Got A nasty bruise and your face building. You must've taken a bad fall. He hit me. Who did I saw the stick? He Magilla ran away. Let's India should did hit you. Didn't he go back my policy again? Come on stand up billy. Look I don't blame you running away. I guess I'd have done the same thing. If you wanna live with your uncle. I think we can work it out. River yeah and instead of trying to get there all by yourself. I would you like it if you could ride with the cavalry myself. A worse yes voice all your own. Now now you're ready to start back. Stay with. You won't have to come here. Boy You ride with me on my pony. I don't really think what you can tell your friends. I'll bet none of them written with a real Cheyenne Warrior. Come on now Joel. How brave you boy my long enough lift you up. You know the feelable Aikman on back you alright. Belly within prairie fire troops for the big search farther. I know how you feel because I felt the same way riding into your cam. But the major from Washington won't believe you had a part of this unless you're right in with me. You have my word that everything will be all right. Go on your word right up to the major science got an Gwynn's reporting well. Savage did steal a boy in spite of his surrender. He's to be punished. There's no surrender. Details Gotten I'd rather you ask the boy Sir all right so what did he do to? You didn't steal me. He found him. I ran away. 'cause my he doesn't lots of times and I won't go back. I just won't order. The troops dismissed yes. Sir regretted his readiness command. Billy we'll find you something he was. I am I stay out of the Seventh Cavalry Territory for Awhile. High soldiers going to be moving that way earlier very far. Place wherever mini earned. I think my people are hungry for Angelo. My thing go with you mine. Stay with you. You gross grown boy. One day you can beat your stepfather. I leave my vengeance with you. Goes inside? Sure don't want to admit they such a thing as a good engine does he. He's a better soldier than we is. What he operates strictly from the book. Maybe in the next situation the book will be right. Fort Laramie is produced and directed by Norman macdonnell and stars. Raymond Burr as Lee Quinn's captain of cavalry with Perriman as Sergeant Gorse. 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They report of the nine ships. The one getting the most attention see carnival owned M S Zaandam which has been at sea for fifteen days. Meantime president trump warned of painful and tough two weeks stretch ahead. Cnn reports warning comes as he extended nationwide distancing measures that even if closely followed could still mean more than one hundred thousand and up to two hundred forty thousand Americans die from Cova. Nineteen Renton mortgage. Payments are due for many Americans. This weekend for those who've lost jobs as a result of the pandemic those payments will be hard to make our Mike. Mohan provide some perspective from North Dakota a wide range of groups including the North Dakota AFL CIO is asking the Republican governor to temporarily suspend evictions and Foreclosures Andrea Olsen Executive Director of community action. Partnership in North Dakota says aid groups won't be able to lessen the impact by themselves. We're doing all we can do. Addressees needs but it's not realistic that we're going to be able to assume all of the burden and help everybody. That point cheat how food him hasn't stated opposition to the plan saying his office is still weighing how to respond to this component of the crisis. He suggests that a mixed state and federal relief could be sufficient for now. The coalition also wants the moratorium on foreclosures to run for ninety days after the official end of the pandemic. Whenever that is declared North Dakota announced this week it received about twenty one thousand jobless claims in the past two weeks. That's more than all of last year. And after a couple of years of wrangling the trump administration's policy easing fuel efficiency. Standards for new cars has gone into effect. The plan rolls back and Obama era rule to cut emissions five percent a year by two thousand twenty six trimming that annual reductions just one point five percent opponents say the rollback is a bad idea but especially so with the threat of a recession caused by the Cova nineteen pandemic. Sandy Barr with the Grand Canyon. Chapter of the Sierra Club. Predict the changes will make Arizona's already poor air quality worse. It will hurt our air especially in places like Phoenix and Tucson where we have poor air quality when it comes to ozone pollution and a lot of the emissions that contribute to that pollution comes from vehicles resort failed to meet federal clean. Air Act Standards in two thousand sixteen twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen and the CDC reports that as COPD and other respiratory conditions are on the rise across the state mark. Richardson reporting this is PMS. As older Americans face the health consequences of nineteen the corner buyers aid belief and economic security or Cares Act does have specific provisions to help seniors cope with the financial consequences as well more from Diane Art. Many folks aren't aware that people living on social security benefits can also receive a stimulus. Check through the cares act according to Tammy Bresnahan with AARP MARYLAND. Aarp negotiated the full twelve hundred dollars to Neil's checks for social security recipients but checks are available to households with adjusted gross income of less than seventy five thousand or the twenty nineteen tax return. She says the stimulus package also waves the role that people seventy and older must take required minimum distributions for twenty twenty from their 401k retirement accounts. I'm Diane Bernard about forty seven million Americans or age sixty five and older. According to the Institute of Aging about six billion live in Maryland and eighty five percent of Maryland's seniors receive Social Security benefits Florida's prison system has confirmed twelve workers testing positive for cove in nineteen some prisons. Right groups say that alone should prompt testing of the prison population. Did these rockets with Florida Cares Charity Corporation which advocates on behalf of people behind bars and their families and says the department should be more transparent. I think what society would like to see would be something more in line with the Florida Department health which is stating how many people tested positive. How many people tested negative? So that we know how many people are tested off together. On the department's website it said employee's tested positive for the virus or not allowed to work until cleared by a medical professional. If a person survey prison sentence show symptoms they'll be placed in medical isolation pending testing. Finally Eric Ticket off. Reports census workers trying to find a way around the challenges presented by the corona virus including coming young children in the two thousand. Ten cents is two million children from birth to age five nationwide were missed. Elsa BUTTRESS BONY. Twenty twenty cents as adviser for the city of Seattle says. Kids sometimes are missed. If they're not part of a traditional family structure such living with grandparents many senses workers plan to reach families through in person events but that has changed buttress bony says. She's working to make sure. Being part of the census still is a priority for folks who is going to top. Too busy parents overwhelmed and to have this conversation. And how are we going to get the message in time? That's the biggest challenge. She says. Counting children is important because if they're missed states can lose out on funding for programs like head start and children's health insurance for the next decade. 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There's one joke gone bluey well. This trick won't miss. And Mrs Cooper and his yeah I wanNA spirit all up good with lipstick and slip in Georgia's pocket. I don't get it. Don't you see a make some excuse and get him to take out his handkerchief? And then I'll just step back and let him try to explain the lipstick on it. Oh it's just cooper phenomenal thing to do anybody. Yeah it's a dirty sneaky thing to do and I'm glad I thought of it going to plan them. You're going to help me now. When he comes in I'll stop him in the hall and you reach out through the kitchen door and put the hancock just in his overcoat pocket. Feel like one of those. What do they call pickpockets a regular drip? That's dip now get ready. He'll be home any minute. Here's a handkerchief. Hey Yeah Mr Anderson a chocolate mall. Oh Hi Mr Cooper Felix. How's the drugstore business tonight business? Fine Mr Cooper everybody sick what can I do for you? Well I WANNA play an April fools joke on my wife and I was wondering if you sell any of those Novelty gags like a glass to juggle itching powder soap in it. Yeah we don't have any bad. Why don't you try Miller's? They got some swallowed cigars. Orlando it'd be fine Felix but Liz gave up cigars for land. Well you might try the trick. I paid my fiancee Emma Gene. We're engaged I get that anyway. I told her I lost. My job. Didn't have any money just as a joke. Did She Paul for think so? She gave me my ring back. You know that's a good idea Felix out. Tell Liz I lost my job at the bank. Do you think she'll give me your ring back. No no that's too much to hope for but it will be a lot of fun. Well here comes George now. Don't forget the handkerchief you charge. Yes dear it's me. I'm home like George. What's the matter you look sick? I you know listen. I got hit by a car. No hunting robbed. You just stand there like a lump of putty. Tell me what happened is I lost. My job was that all that all. Oh George what the job as long as it isn't your health. If you had broken your leg or something would you lost your. Why couldn't you just broken your leg? How they fired me. Liz I've foreclosed last widow. They're already scraping my name off the door. I can't believe it when I left. It was already down to George Coop. George you've been with the bank ten years. I know everybody feel terrible about it. It wasn't a dry eye in the place. I should hope not. It even caused a run on the bank. Hit Did yes. They were all crying so hard. People thought the bank had failed. Why George why did they fire you? Thank examiner discovered. I'd done something wrong. You don't mean that you ask Liz. Hi put new points in. The bank pins wrong. You didn't lose your job. Of course is you fall for that for. That was a dirty trick to. You're not mad are you Liz. I sort of half expected you to play an April fool's drake on me me. I wouldn't stoop to such a low trick. Can I pay you a minute? I'll be right there. Katie George GimMe a handkerchief minimum over-quota no don't take your coat off yet. Why not? It's warm. Oh well then. Why don't you take out your handkerchiefs and mop your bro is do you feel well? I feel fine matter of fact I feel like playing a game. What game scrap the handkerchief? You've blown your topless George Kissing. Do you mind if I take my coat off. I know kiss me right now. Lives if you're driving something. And then He. I've got to take my coat off. Look I got lipstick on you. Give me your handkerchief. Never mind. I'll take it off with the cleanings. Oh gimme your hand cages. There's one sticking out of your pocket. Never carry a handkerchief thing that's habit how this got. Oh that's not a handkerchief. Let me see it. It's not a handkerchief. What is it my shirt tail? I have a hole in my shirt tail Hawk and Yola behind your back like that. Let me see that George why. It is a handkerchief. Got Lipstick on it. Note hasn't lived honest. That's not lipstick. Then what is it? Well the truth is I had a nose bleed today. Did Yeah. That's it. I had a nosebleed. Your blood type seems to be ten g might as well tell you the truth. Don't strain yourself here a minute. Wait just a minute. Katie well George. Have you thought of a good truth yet? Yes I I mean. This is the way it happened. You know Miss Johnson that only old maid secretary down at the bank. Yes well I accidentally bumped into her some of her lips. They got on my cheek. He doesn't even come up to your shoulder. What was she doing walking on? Stilts really expect me to believe that. Do you all right. I'll tell you the truth. I haven't the slightest idea where that lipstick came from. You think what you want to. I don't care to discuss it anymore. What are you laughing? Oh my lipstick. I put some of it on your handkerchief and planted it on you. You didn't fool me. I knew it all the time. Oh George Your so funny our even oh husbands are so silly. They have such guilty consciences. Don't you know I trust you George? No matter how bad things looked thank you Darren. Oh I forgot coming Katie. I'll be right back. What do you want? It's about your April Fools Joke. Mrs Cooper who? It worked beautifully usually seen George's face. I mean you've already done it. Yes why how could you? I didn't put the hang. Katie how to tell me when he didn't stand close enough to the I couldn't get the handkerchief in his pocket. No Katie Joe. God it here it is. What are you doing come on into the living room to talk to me? Baby baby need you monster all right George. How did the lipstick get on that other handkerchief? I don't know I thought you said you trusted me Liz. I did and look what happened with scream when I had one handkerchief with lipstick on two of them ought to give you a real laugh. You should be ashamed of yourself. George Cooper look live. I've been frame outside of this house. I don't know what a kiss is. Scientists don't know what electrcity is either but they know how to use it. I thought you were the one who can jealous. I'm not I'm merely a healthy curiosity for the last time. I don't know where that lipstick came from getting fed up. Do you believe me or not all right George. I deleted and that's the last time we'll hear me. Yes George Good I. Let's go to bed all right yard. What George George Waco matter? Was it the blonde cashier at the bank? Liz this is the third time you wake me up now. Cut It out. Was it Anita Aaron Elaine Abbott? Dora Ahlberg the one cleaning company. No couldn't be them getting those names out of the phone book. Find Out. Who was if I have to go through the whole book? Go to sleep all right Cooper Stock. Talk what what are you doing? Don't shining bright light in my face a third degree now star talk stock. You've been pestering me all night and I will you. Please let me get some sleep. 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I didn't get any sleep last night. Liz found a handkerchief in my pocket with lipstick on George you slide. Devo you have no idea where it came from. George this is Joe not telling you the truth Shame as long as you got arrested. It's too bad you didn't get to enjoy the crime very fun. Oh don't worry George. Uncle Joe's got a great idea. I'll call isn't seller. I planted the Hatchet on April fools. Joke now you're talking San. It's all settled. I'll call right after you get home tonight. And the minute she hangs up she'll fall into your arm. Oh say almost forgot when I came in here for a very onesie when it's up. Oh I don't forget to call tonight. I want to do Send for me. Mr. atteberry come in George boy understand. You had a little trouble at home last night. Well yes but how'd you hear about Well things got around. You Davos you not you too. I have no idea who put lipstick on my handkerchief off. Course I said I don't know but if I find the Moore on who put that handkerchief in my pocket. I'll punch him right in the nose. I don't think you would not much I wouldn't. Here's my nose. Todd are you the more I mean. Did you do an April work better than I thought I should say did? Liz is furious. Would Oh she kept me up all night cuisine. Frankly Mr Ed Murray. I don't think it was funny. If you WANNA see me on business being my own I just don't go away. Mad Boy you for something to straighten it out for him Cooper you can stay out here in the kitchen all. I'm very happy reading this book. I don't care to sit in the same room with you. Know who until he explains how that you know what got into his. You know where you mean. You're going to stay here until what's his name. Explains about what you call it and don't worry about me. I'm not the least it upset and I'm enjoying this book. Do you always hold the book upside down when you read one. Oh well I wish I did know where that came from. Hello this Joe Richly. Oh Hello Jody Weis speaker. George Gosh I don't know if I dare I. I hope I haven't called them any travel. What do you mean? Yesterday was April fools and put a handkerchief but his pocket with a lot of lipstick on it did and I forgot to go ahead with a trekkie went home before I remembered you weren't mad. Were You mad? Oh Joe Oh some women would have blown that taps. Yeah what kind of a why do you think I am? I did see it and George said he didn't know where it came from and that was the end of it. I just thought I call in case anything went wrong. Well thanks for Calling Joe Yes Louis Joel. Ridgely on the phone now. Do you believe I didn't know where that handkerchief came from at it? You know what he told me. I was listening to your end of the conversation and I put together George. I'm sorry that's all right I understand. I guess I was just demeaned. Jealous Nagging Wife. Yes you were. You don't have to agree with me. Honey don't start crying forgive me well I guess Kiss Me George. I promise never be jealous. Scout honor on A. You just don't appreciate me. I am as trustworthy and loyal as an old dog yardage. Let me sit on your lap dog. Oh Darn it. I'll get it well you. Liz Girl Omits Data Barry. How are you but I have some explaining to do to you. Me About April fools joke. I played out your. Oh you too. I just heard about another one. That was played on him. What did you do? I slipped a handkerchief with lipstick on it in Georgia's pocket. Oh this is getting ugly April First. Nineteen Forty Nine. Lucille Ball. Richard Denning Gale Gordon and be Benedetta. My favorite husband the conclusion four minutes here on Classic Radio Theater Classic Radio Theatre Family. And let me ask you a question. Did you sleep last night? Did you toss and turn could just not get comfortable? You did then. 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Everything's alright everything is just ginger peachy. Goodbye Goodbye. What was it lists? You're back in the Doghouse rover. And what's the matter? Another entry has just come. In George Cooper Alibi Derby Joe Richly said. He put the handkerchief in your pocket. Now Mister Atom Berry comes up with the same story. Which story do you want me to believe? Live rich friend has the phony. I can explain. Mr Atteberry was telling the truth and Joe was just doing me a favor. Tell us again again right. I am but what about that? Scout's honor shake hands with an x Brownie. Told you the truth. If you don't believe me I'll treat you like the child at you. Aren put you over my knee. You wouldn't dare. Oh what come on just crying because I heard you all heard never got spanked that much and I was little when you were little. There wasn't that much disdain. You smoke then. You beat me now. You say I'm a big fat call. How you admit it well George. If that's the way you're going to act there isn't room for both of us under this roof. I'm leaving George. I said I'm leaving their by now. Don't you try and stop me stopping? I'm gonNA leave right now. Well I'm leaving. Okay okay I really am leaving for the last time I'm leaving. I said goodbye goodbye next time. I'm going out the door. Oh you heartless beast just for that. I'm leaving you mean other one. And this time mega double. I'M GONNA drown my sorrows cooper. That's your third lemon coke. I know Felix. I don't care what happens to me. Felix men are beasts against we are. George Cooper is the biggest beast of all. I always thought he was a great guy to you. Yes but to me. He's cruel and nasty and I've left him forever. Gee Whiz do you know what he did Felix? He beat me. Gee Whiz I had a feeling you'd say that she has been looking all over for. Don't speak to her. You'LL CAD Liz. I didn't think you were serious about leaving. Come on Home Phoenix. Will you tell Mr Cooper? I'm not speaking to him? She's not speaking to you. Look Listen L. ME please. Keller I apologize and I'd like her to come home with me. He apologizes and he likes to come home with them. I'm not going home to a wife. Beater she's not going home to a wife beater. Oh for heaven's sake. Oh for heaven's sake tell Mr Cooper wasting time. You're wasting your time. I am not he is not. I refuse to continue this exchange of banalities and I will consider it a favor if he will remove his person from this vicinity. I refused to care from Mr Cooper. Cut Out this nonsense. I'll let's cut out this nonsense. You keep out there stealing. You'll keep out of this. Oh by that I why George Cooper how I Hello Charlie they. I'm glad I ran into you. I've got your overcoat. Yeah I picked it up by mistake at lunch yesterday. You must have mine. Here's your heart thing. Let me see that George. It is your cold. I hope you didn't look in the pockets and my coat. I had a heavy date the night before George. If this is true what about those other stories Mr Adam Berries in ridgely doll? They were just France trying to help me off Georgia. I'm off we. Sorry we'll you should be. I'll bring your coat down to the bank tomorrow. Charlie all right yard. GimMe a coke son. George will you? Will you take me with you? Please go all right. Thanks George. You're so wonderful you wish. I'm sure glad they made up their swell people aren't they? I don't know I never saw him before. You had his coke search me. He stopped me on the street outside. Hand me a coat gave me ten bucks to come in and say April first. Nineteen forty nine. My favorite husband Classic Radio Theatre. Maybe you can relate to this. A lot of people think they're stuck with their health plan. It costs too much or for whatever reason they just don't like it the great news. You're not stuck with it. There is a choice. It's called Neta share and you could save so much. 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Call eight hundred nine eight five eighteen thirteen now again. That's eight hundred nine eight five eighteen thirteen employees of jd. Mellberg financial have the appropriate licenses for the products. They offer now on Classic Radio Theater. We said back to April first nineteen sixty CBS. Radio brings you the couple next door written by and starring glimpse and Alan bunce. Good morning to you can build a little stand up and look out the window going. Don't tell me you're up and dressed already. Got About half an hour. A million things to do to get ready for a weekend all honey. Don't miss this sunrise. This guy is simply do not get this all king soon come on honey look out the window and just like a painting. I'll honey you don't WanNa miss this do on line anyway and I would appreciate it if you would just put your bathrobe and slippers on and come on down to breakfast betsy up earlier too so we can get the dishes. Dan after wash clothes this morning and iron the things that we're going to take on the trip bathroom on all give me five moment. Always you and your five five more minutes is ten more minutes. Please get it now. You could shower and shave after breakfast. I have so much to do with washing earnings. Today makes me so mad having to do with the last minute. Three Pearman didn't come to fix the washing machines. Four thirty yesterday afternoon. I called him Monday. Make you mad. They're come on. Stick your feet out of bed. A slipper then. Oh let me sleep. Two more minutes greed. You'll get just just come to plead not the washing and the ironing pack suitcases. Betting value. Nice the already late when you get home from work this afternoon. All you have to do is load the con-. We'll set off Monday. Oughta get started as soon as past too much driving fast. We'll before it gets done. Whatever might as well get up. I certainly can't sleep when you chattering idea. Good Morning. Good Morning Nine Downing I go back to those. You come right on down to breakfast toast nine. WanNa give me another cup of coffee. You're not eating time. Oh I like to shower and shave before. I have breakfast to wake me up a little bit. I get you to Fatima underfoot. Bobby wakes stamps washing my then. I won't have quite as Betsy. What you know perfectly well. What don't doubt the butter like that tape from the end. That's already been started. Also take what better you want and put it on your plate. One doesn't keep taking the dams from the butter dish. When I do that. Then you say look at the better you let. Why did you take more than you need? Well then you've taken too much to begin with. Take on what you need now. I don't know how much I'm going all right. You gotTA stop doing too early in the morning. You can stay downtown office lunch. Well and soon as best they get home from school she conveyed and Chris and I when I traveled to. Bobby all set to go and I hope I'll be ready myself and I'll have the suitcases packed. No no no no. We're picking a ban it plain view and then we still have a hundred miles to go and then we're going to pick Roger Carey Junction and then over Dad's San. I don't want your grandma at away dinner so we'll eat on the road. I'm the I'm not waiting now. Try to get some dinner betsy. If your mother can see someplace looks cute enough. Oh golly I don't know how we get into these family weddings and family reunions. I tell you the thought of driving and other two hundred and fifty miles to Pike Lake tomorrow then on Sunday driving all the way back. It'll be probably for you anyway. Ood member now dare. You can't make arrangements to play with anyone after school today on every morning. So so that's not going to list her social engage- thank you and that what company is something. He said something was wrong and they were turning off the water supply in half an hour turning off also that twenty four hours a hobby. I haven't even shaved a shower. That's the member. For Heaven's sake don't rushing off like that's a tablet on the pay all help our. J. WanNa go you take your bath. Now get upstairs right away. Get to fill now. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute to take things out of your laundry hamper and put them in the Monterey Room I all your undershirts and pants and slips and the night can have on and your white blouse goes with your travel to now gone. I can't find anything. I don't know where they get out. The pots and pans is a great time water. That'd be turned off and bank. Pick this I'll have to stop the washing machine right away. It takes at least thirty five minutes to run one last. I'll do the things that we have take with us for the weekend. You feel here where you get upstairs. Take your back now. Go on really on morning for the return of mailing your washing machine. Going and healthy fills things come on. I got this shower shave my way out of my way traffic. I'm trying to get dressed but the water hasn't been turned off yet and I'm going to take a chance on running another lot. Why the Pajamas you took off God Evans. What happened to you? Cut Myself on the shave and such dawn hurried like a man from Mars with labs the white papers your face and neck. You can't wear that shirt there. Change it just got a button. I am some blood on the car. All that darn water companies in the bathroom and put some water and all those cats. Maybe they'll stab leading up in there while we still have water it'll be turned off it all over in such a hurry to finish our even got all jettas fix being off after all. Hello Yes oh really guess your voice does sound rather faint i. I'm not very good at whistling. Hold on please dear. Anything's going wrong this morning now. The phone isn't working right. Could do come here and with ours nevermind got to bathing face. Hold on ask busy on sixty. Just hold on please. What is it what to do. Ask me I asked what in Sam Hill. You're doing phone company. They're checking our line. Something's wrong asked me to stand back six feet whistle. We'll see what is going on. That is a joke for heaven. Sakes why I told that gang when I was a kid he give me that phone. Give me give it L. L. Yes I know. You'll send me a package of bird seed in the morning. Local is any hello. Hello anyone of the oldest gags in the world and you fall never heard of it and I couldn't hear who is talking to well. It sounded faint and muffled or something. You put a handkerchief over the mouth. Why would anybody try to close a silly joke lights went? We still have lotteries. Yes yes maybe. You'd better call them companies. I will give me that book in dance on the phone. It wasn't for you bet. It was the phone company. I wasn't really the phone company either. Go get ready for school here. Never mind he's calling. I'm calling maybe WANNA know by jumping Jupiter wiggle. We're going to find out what's going on around it practically cut my throat shaving in such a hurry you get ready for schools one now do is your mother said. Marine bottom darling sweethearts nothing. Just what have you been up to young lady? You leave the child alone. Can't you see she's upset? Upset phases slashed or ribbons trying to shave and two seconds everybody tearing around here early. Kettles and pans and taking bears and watching all look the digital Jimmy one on f only when you answered it this morning digital you'll arranged it knowing how your daddy is anyhow in the morning with you with all your mother had to do today especially you can. Why why the only day we could say once it was important that I all get in April Fools Day. I completely forgot. Oh come on daddy via sparsest pleased. I got some of the Washington even before I thought I won on us. Live playing a joke. And you're dead all right all right all right Joe. Tell me one thing with your why. Why did you let it go on so long until April fool? A little sooner is out but nobody listens? Mommy kept saying get upstairs. Get upstairs. Take your bag through idea anyhow. Daddy I never dreamt you both rush around filling up with water. I didn't think you'd even foreign I wanna well. We don't even have city water. We have at me don't we have. I'll be honest I tell ya you gotta jump ahead of them. I never thought of our own up to me. Oh Betsy you pull it very successful unfunny joke and Mommy and daddy look. I gotta get to work on. Mytalk your mommy right away. Why Betsy for Pete's sakes? How did you tell you dress like that in the back there? Mommy look look at. How did you do that and great big rig well right in the back April I nine hundred sixty a couple next door on Classic Radio Feeder? We're out of time. 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The one getting the most attention to see carnival owned M S Zaandam which has been at sea for fifteen days. Meantime president trump warned of a painful and tough two weeks stretch ahead. Cnn reports warning comes as he extended nationwide distancing measures that even if closely followed could still mean more than one hundred thousand and up to two hundred forty thousand Americans die from Cova nineteen rent and mortgage payments are due for many Americans. This weekend for those who've lost jobs as a result of the pandemic those payments will be hard to make our Mike. Mohan provide some a perspective from North Dakota a wide range of groups including the North Dakota AFL CIO is asking the Republican governor to temporarily suspend evictions and foreclosures Andrea Olsen Executive Director of Community Action Partnership in North Dakota says aid. Groups won't be able to lessen the impact by themselves. We're doing all that we can address these needs but it's not realistic that we're going to be able to assume all of the burden and help everybody you eat. How through them hasn't stated opposition to the plan saying his office still weighing how to respond to this component of the crisis. He suggests that a mixed state and federal relief could be sufficient for now. The coalition also wants the moratorium on a victim's end foreclosures to run for ninety days after the official end of the pandemic. Whenever that is declared North Dakota announced this week it received about twenty one thousand jobless claims in the past two weeks. That's more than all of last year. And after a couple of years of wrangling the trump administration's policy easing fuel efficiency. Standards for new cars has gone into effect. The Plan Rolls. Back Obama era rule to cut emissions five percent a year by twenty twenty six trimming that annual reductions just one point five percent opponents say the rollback is a bad idea but especially so with the threat of a recession caused by the Cova Nineteen Pandemic Sandy Barr with the Grand Canyon. Chapter of the Sierra Club predicts the changes will make Arizona's already poor air quality worse. It will hurt our air especially in places like Phoenix and Tucson where we have poor air quality when it comes to ozone pollution and a lot of Emissions that contribute to that pollution comes from vehicles Arizona failed to meet federal clean. Air Act Standards. Twenty thousand sixteen twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen and the CDC reports that Asthma COPD and other respiratory conditions are on the rise across the state mark. Richardson reporting this is PMS. As older Americans. Face the health consequences of cove in nineteen the coronavirus aid relief and economic security or. Cares Act does has specific provisions to help seniors cope with the financial consequences as well. More from Diane but art. Many folks aren't aware that people living on social security benefits can also receive stimulus. Check through the cares act according to Tammy Bresnahan with AARP MARYLAND. Aarp negotiated the full twelve hundred dollars than yours. Checks for social security recipients but checks are available to households with adjusted gross income of less than seventy five or the twenty nineteen tax returns. She says the stimulus package also waves the role that people seventy and older must take required minimum distributions for twenty twenty from their 401k. Retirement accounts I'm Diane Bernard. Forty seven million Americans or age sixty five and older. According to the institute on Aging about six million live in Maryland and eighty five percent of Maryland's seniors receive Social Security benefits Florida's prison system has confirmed twelve workers testing positive for cove in nineteen. Some prison right groups say that alone should prompt testing of the prison population did. He's Raucous with Florida Cares Charity Corporation which advocates on behalf of people behind bars and their families. As says the department should be more transparent. I think what a society would like to see would be something more in line with the Florida Department of Health which is stating how many people tested positive. How many people tested negative so that we know how many people are tested off together? On the department's website it said employees tested positive for the virus or not allowed to work until cleared by a medical professional. If a person survey prison sentence show symptoms. They'll be placed in medical isolation pending testing finally Eric reports census workers trying to find a way around the challenges presented by the corona virus including coming young children in the twenty. Ten cents is two million children from birth to age five nationwide were missed Elsa Buttress Bony Twenty twenty census adviser for the city of Seattle. Says Kids sometimes are missed? If they're not part of a traditional family structure such living with grandparents many census workers plan to reach families through in person events but that has changed buttress bony says. She's working to make sure. Being part of the census still is a priority for folks who is going to talk to busy parents overwhelmed and to have this conversation. And how are we going to get the message in time? That's the biggest challenge. She says. Counting CHILDREN IS IMPORTANT. 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Arden time once again. Another comedy episode of our Miss Brooks under the direction of Al Lewis. Well her salary as a teacher covers all her basic expenses. But I'll Miss Brooks who teaches English at Madison. High School has discovered that there are certain luxuries at won't pay for luxury clothing for instance. However last Monday I dropped into Madame. Amelia's dress shop to price. Some of the items. She was featuring in a post Easter sale. In no time at all I discovered that if Madame Amelia would let me pay for it on time I could easily afford the sales tax on her cheapest threats but thanks to a proposition made to me. I did leave the store with four new dresses at breakfast Friday morning. My Landlady commented on one of them another day another dress. It's a beauty. Connie thanks Mrs Davis. You've no idea what it's been like to sit opposite you during this past week every day new dress. That looks like they. I read of Spring Davis but I wish you cheer up a little. Your dress looks like the first breath of spring and your face looks like the last gasp of winter trouble cannon. Where are you know the agreement? I have with Madame Amelia. Don't you buy yes? She said she'd give you a brand new suit free of charge if you introduce some clothes into Madison high school this week. I wasn't only supposed to introduce them. This is Davis. There was also supposed to be an increase in business. Since you've been wearing the Hasn't business increased? Twenty five percent at Uber is across the street. That's ridiculous to jump duberry's it just a coincidence. You deserve the dress anyhow. Look the work you've done. How many other teachers would want wear a brand new dress to school every day? I don't know how many teachers are there in the United States. No I'm afraid I haven't lived up to my part of the bargain as a matter of fact our agreement officially terminated last night I was supposed to return the dresses then but you wearing one of them this money. I just couldn't face my old Blue Jersey suit for at least one more day. I figured after all this time. Somebody's bound notice me. You mean no one's paid any attention to your new outfit so far well. I did get some encouragement yesterday. I'd been sitting opposite Mr Born at lunch three days in a row and each day I have a new dress on yesterday finally noticed something different about me. What did you say you said Miss Brooks? You've got a racer best on your neck you. The female members of the faculty admired the dresses but they are evidently too poor to do any buying holiday principal. County he comment on the transformation. Mr Conklin hasn't commented on anything but his newest economy drive another one but he just ordered the big cutback in school expenses last month. That came from the Board of Education. This is his own idea and you ought to see him. Enforce it why I broke a pointer the other day while he was in my classroom and before it even hit the floor. He had snatched up the short piece and file down the rough edge. What did he do with it? Gave it to a teacher with long arms beauty. Alright that's Walter Dan and be right there. I've got to run. This is Dave thanks. You're welcome and don't look so discouraged about the deal with matter media. You still got today to put it over. I'll try just remember this county whether it's modeling or anything else. You only get out of something what you put into it relieve me. Mrs Davis Everything I've got I've put into this dress. Please Walter Keep Your eyes on the road in the world you staring at anyway. Just enough scintillating vision in. I wish I didn't have to drive at all. I wish I could just sit here and drink you in all your tax accounting loveliness a mirror. I'd like to get high off. Flattery is overwhelming. Which only your Miss Brooks cash? I've always admired you personally. But the way you'd look this last week makes the way you used to look positively like I should have quit when I was a head dress. You've got today's knockout Miss Brooks. What are those colors in it? They're chartreuse cerise walder they are. Of course. Those are the fencing names. Actually these colors nothing but good old down to worry plain and simple puce and Magenta. They either way you've been dressing last. Few days has had ice popping hollow for the school. That's funny I haven't heard thing kidding for half. The female members of the faculty look like Eddie Cantor. I I'll admit it took everybody a few days to start noticing your new wardrobe but I think the answer for that. Oh what is it? Well it's because everyone is senior in that Blue Jersey suit of yours for such a long time. It got so that after a while nobody ever look below your face right on the nose that you're does got a Kleenex. I am glad that somebody's finally noticing these outfits. I wouldn't be human if I wasn't. Don't you worry about that? You're uman alright. Thanks for the affidavit told me you got the advocate Madame Amelia. I told my mother about him last night and she said she must be a wonderful dressmaker. Oh she is. My mother said she wants to visit the place herself but she was wondering. When would be a good time? What is she doing yes today? I mean anytime before I forget Miss Brooks at when I spoke to Harriet on the phone this morning. She said the tell you to please stop at her. Dad's office as soon as you get to school. It's probably in connection with this new economy. Drive of his eye. Extravagantly requisitioned a new eraser last week Dr Pain. He's even cutting down in Iraq headache equipment. Big Track meet coming up. And he won't provide any high hurdles for the guys to practice on all. We got old low verticals. That isn't an insurmountable problem. Walter what do you mean all you have to do is put up the low hurdles and let the boys run on their knees. Who is it and is your business urging its Miss Brooks and it can wait indefinitely by so fast. Come in miss broke now. Then I'll come back to the point. The reason I wanted Miss Brooks isn't that another new dress you have on. Yes sir. Really Remarkable Miss Brooks. May I ask you a question certainly sir? Are you able to dress this way on your salary or have you come into an inheritance? No Sir no so what Mr Catherine come into an inheritance but these you how do you pay for them when you see sir? Don't gamble do. I don't want to buy your personal life after all you've won that Blue Jersey job long enough to say that in the past week given the rest of the faculty something to shoot at addresses can't be that bad very small but to get back to the reason for your being here as you don't Miss Brooks. I am in the midst of a New Economy. Drive here at Madison. Mr CONKLIN MR. Boing and I discussed it thoroughly at lunch yesterday. Then you're beginning to feel the pinch certainly not. All we ever do is talk. Dan Believe me. It's a necessary measure in these Palestine. Mr Stone. The head of the school board is coming to my home this afternoon. Petit naturally I am interested in impressing him with the strides. We've made Madison naturally and it is occurred to me that an excellent way to convince him. The wisdom of my economy policy is to show him. What a teacher such as yourself can do on a limited budget me. Yes Miss Brooks. If you'd come to our home this afternoon my wife and I would be most pleased to see you in one of your new dresses. That is well. That's very nice Mr Competent. Since it's a bit late for it to pick up anything that would you consider lending Mrs Conklin one of your other new creations just for the day of Mr Khan that this is a command performance Miss Brooks but you will be there for will fire? Principal's office who? Oh She's in my office right now. It's you Miss Brooks debrief leaves. Hello who is this Madam who Oh yes I know last night was the last yes but I just have them back today but I very well as quickly as possible goodbye. Well if you'll excuse me Sarah I'd better be getting into class. Nothing wrong the wrong or what could be wrong. I don't want to be late. You Know How hungry my pupils are for. Learning stopped is the word. My house at four shop Brooks is that correct Mr Conklin. I'll be there with bells on it. Nothing else April. 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I purchase my lunch and the just sat down to a table when who should come walking by but Mr Boynton himself naturally he stopped immediately. Sorry I didn't see your foot there in the I'll get on. I didn't mean to trip you so hard. Lunch isn't all wasted enormous. Luckily my salad landed right side up. My hamburger landed on my salad. You landed on your Jello. Thanks let me help you pick up your Gosh Strawberry Jello. I sat in. Does it look terribly messy Miss Brooks out back. It's rather attractive when you walk down the school steps you'll look just like a sunset Mister Bryant and there's something I'd like to ask you all before you do miss books. I'd like to Papa question to you. I of course it. It might be considered quite personal but with your permission I'll pop it anyway. You're going to pop the question. I've been waiting for you to pop pop away. Pop Brooks that dress you got on. Isn't that another new one? Why Mr boy new been paying attention after all you like it very much. It's very interesting. Shade yellow isn't it just where the Butler landed when you dropped your it's mostly chartreuse. Mr By its very exciting. Almost identical in shape to the skill of a young frog. This is the third or fourth lovely new dress. You've put on this week. How do you do it? Miss Brooks drop them off my head and pull up zipper very fond of your Blue Jersey suit to it. Held sort of sentimental attraction for me. You know that's a suit you're wearing when we met yes four years ago. I must've been I wasn't too crazy about it at first. But it really grew on me me to find the time chiseling off last night. Nice Brooks the fact that you were able to acquire such garments. Teacher's salary is extremely commendable. Well thank you Mr Biden. I've always admired a woman who can budget properly. A woman who can do that could be a real. Sf to a man a man could hunt for such a woman for years and years for them to be exact with a clever and fifty companion. There's no telling how far a man could go to bind well to some of my feelings in the matter. I can only say that this type of woman is downright marriage timber brooks seeing you in these new outfits is open my eyes and something. I'd like to say to. You GotTa Talk to you for a minute. Oh for heavens sakes while they're interrupting anything. Am I dressed my future? What can I do for you? There's a delivery truck outside for Matama ameinias dress shop. The driver says you've got four dresses to send back and back. Yes it's just a temporary measure Mr Garton. You mean the dresses are all going to be altered. Miss Brooks no longer like I said before. Just my future Hi Miss Brooks Heading Daddy's office. Yes I am Harry. I just left him. I've never seen that. Inflict Excellent Humor Miss Brooks. He sure that your new gowns will make a big impression on Mr Stone afternoon. In fact he said that your little visit. This morning was like a tonic. To him rarely. Here's Mickey I've got farm now. I'm afraid I won't be able to come to tea this afternoon. We'll be able to come. Why Not Miss Brooks and whereas Gorgeous Madame Amelia dress? You had on this morning in the delivery truck on Main Street. But I don't understand wearing your old Blue Jersey again. Where did you get that out of a bundle? I had ready for the salvation. Army gruesome story. Harriet but I had to send the dresses bag. You See. I never really owned them. I was just modeling them. From Adam. Amelia. If business increased she said just give me a free one but it didn't so she didn't and I'm back where I started last week. Shall We dance well? Don't look so desperate. Miss Brooks all is lost. Then where is it? You're going to love me for this. I was so captivated by those new gowns of yours that during your English class I secretly sketched two of them. Then I took the patterns to Home Economics Class and we spent the past couple of days making exact copies what I know. You promised to lend the mother so it'll work out just perfectly. Of course we made them out of air. Sat Material but beggars can't be choosers and after all the main thing is not to disappoint Daddy. But don't you think your father? Mr Stone will notice the difference. Of course not Miss Brooks. When it comes to dresses. Women have been pulling the wool over. Men's is for years. Well Miss Brooks what do you think of my idea to tell the truth Harry? It's not bad. I'm glad we got home ahead of Daddy. Miss Brooks gave me a chance to reinforce some of the week places in this dress now. Standstill in the spacing in back. Where the pins I ask you to hold our help. You sound your. That's no place to put pins. I neither is that. We've got a hurry though. I heard daddy and Mr Stone go into the living room about five minutes ago. I must admit you copied the style of Madame Amelia's dress perfectly. Harriet but tell me. What kind of material did you use? Well we started with Rayon and when we ran out we use Muslin. Some of it feels like cheese clocked loaded with cheese cloth. But don't worry Miss Brooks the way I've got basted. No one can possibly tell the difference. I'll bet your mother. We'll tell the difference when she puts hers on. We'll frankly Miss Brooks. I haven't had a chance to tell her. It's a copy. I just left it on her bed when she was getting the T. Ready and then rush back here to you what you mean to tell me. Your mother doesn't know there's nothing between her. The life of shame but some cheesecloth and a fervent prayer. I never thought of it that way. If mother bands over sits down too quickly or song. We're Sung. Your mother won't be in such good shape to be very careful. I tell you what I'll do Miss Brooks if I see anything beginning to go. I'll give you a verbal signal a verbal signal since we'll be having tea. I'll just say something like sugar and cream Miss Brooks or Paschal lamb. Now come on everybody's waiting for your personal appearance the wrong kind of a break. This can be the most personal appearance I've ever made. Reason why lead on Harry Reid in here Miss Brooks here. We are daddy or your. You know my daughter. Harriet Mrs Stone certain. Hello Harry how do you do and Miss Brooks isn't attractive dress? You have a thank you Mr Stone. I've been telling Mr Stone about the wardrobe you've acquired recently Miss Brooks. It certainly gives impetus to economy drive when a teacher can do what. She's done. Emma Stone Barry Impressive and thanks to the way I manage my personal budget. Mrs Cochran has been able to enhance a wardrobe recently. He's probably jumping into a new duds. Right now oh dear April first. Nineteen fifty one. Our Miss Brooks starring Eve Arden. I'm Wyatt Cocks. You're listening the Classic Radio Theater. The conclusion of our Miss Brooks along with another episode of the Family. 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Sugar and cream way so soon. Standstill enormous concrete. And happy. To see you again say. That's a stunning dress. You have on. Yes you look. Positively ravishing mightiest. And just as you are. Don't move a muscle. Yes hold it for about forty five minutes. I don't believe I've ever seen you looking. Lovely mother or match that was made in Heaven Now. Us could honestly Mr Jones. Sometimes when Osgood pays me compliment he gets so extravagant praise. I could just split. You're holding the wrong Mrs for us some tea thank you dear but I pour it myself bending over his good for me all but you must have been mother here all. Gets you a CAP? Oh I'd rather do it myself area after all the more one more one takes off around one's middle one can take too much of one's middle adderall. It's nice to have something between one's bottom and one's top but why we standing. Let's sit down I. It's not healthy to sit down after a heavy meal heavy meal but none of us has had anything to eat lunch time. I know but why take chances? Your Quips Miss Brooks now. That's all just a moment. What is it now. I propose a standing toast to our host and hostess here toast to house. Can we sit down? Would anyone like to hear some music? That's a great idea Harry yet out your phonograph record of John Philip. Sousa playing the Star spangled them. Stop the horseplay. You do sit down Mr Stone now. Just we're we're we're in our discussions you appointing out to me is good. What a teacher could do on her present salary if she really try exactly exactly and not only a teacher but anyone who lives on a budget take that dress. My wife is now. Let's not talk about me anymore. Why not idea blushing becomes you. Why just a little warm? I think I'll open a window here. It's not that warm in here. Not but I thought I'd like to let in a little more air. Please just sit down very well fact. That was letting some more Aaron like something ripping your dress but certainly not. It's still the same lovely three-piece suit it's always been repeat suit. Mother stand up a minute. Yes acid same lovely for peace with two pair of skirts coming apart at the scene. But I don't understand it neither do I but I better get into my bedroom and change. Excuse me Miss Brooks. Perhaps you can explain what's going on here. Not now Mr Conklin. I'd better go in help. Mrs Conklin chain. I'm George you can manage by herself. Now sit down Bros. Yes sugar and cream. Miss Brooks get your own sugar cream. Harriet this Brooke set down going on here but an awful lot is coming up. Better pour myself a cup of tea. The Lemon Miss Brooks. Where's the lemon? It went that way. I think I'm getting to see what this is all about. I Beg your pardon I who gave me all this talk about retrenching then you demonstrate that when a teacher can buy on her salary. These days is actually nothing but junk I've got to give you credit CONKLIN. Your idea is brilliant. You've given me a graphic display. The too much economy can't possibly work in these days of rising prices. Osgood Conkland. You're really lever. Oh my wife and Ms Rooks. Berg considerable sits and mother would make a fine bareback brooks. Well thank you Mr Conklin. I know one theater in town that would love to have us which one is that broke the star and Garter Berlitz well. There wasn't much sense than sitting around in my draft address so I said goodbye and backed out of the Conklin when I arrived home. Mrs Davis was most helpful and adjust. Finish sowing the up when the phone rang. Hello this is Mr Wooten. I've been thinking of how lovely you looked in your new dress today and I wondered. If you'd like to take a little walk with evening you took me by surprise Mr Boring and I'm afraid I dropped the receiver. Hold on a moment. I'll pick it up. I'm sorry Mr Boynton tonight but why not. It's a beautiful Mona's out stars out. This wasn't the Party line. I give you an answer. Our family flu. 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I just can't wait by ticket. I want to be the first one. Have you seen the good looking? Young man out hero pots. I've seen him. Eighty handsome dislike one of them. Greek statues. Oh they're sadie just opened up. The cashiers went into now going to buy your Adams tickets. I suppose I might as well come on. Ony. I'm going to be the high. Well you're ready to buy your cardboards for eight. Mars terrific opus. I've been waiting for half an hour already. I want to be the first I. Well there'll be plenty of. Don't get insomnia over that. Just stand in line you too and I'll deal amount. How many client just fun things die you are Mattie? How many for you duck too? You don't supposed to have two handsome. Young actor's GonNa drop around this morning to you say de France Wa- Malay- Yes. Oh one I got a low down on that guy all right down. What do you mean Francoism? La? Let us well. Monica and I give him credit for thinking it up. His real name isn't brands while Malay- rank o'malley what yeah it comes from Bellingham Washington. He's all man used to drive a lumber wagon until he hit it. Lucky with the market sunny went into the lumber business for himself and frank gets big ideas goes to college get an education goes Hollywood. Hollywood has been in Hollywood years. Thank you makes one picture. Things is bigshot gives a directed. The PRIMADONNA AC gets let out on his nose so he changed his name to France-soir La and hits the ten shows. Give him credit though he's made the grade as your makes you small town gals doing there. But yes I think what I stated. I think he's just marvelous if I could just get the chance to see him. Close up just once. I I think I will get the casket out. He standing right behind you. Oh Oh I I mean I big. Please EXCUSE ENTIRELY ALRIGHT. Daily an actor. I can always bear a bit more. The plaudits of the crowd that he can't eat it or your problem. Doctor I believe I met you with the harm and hotel is yes. That's right. Would you mind performing the honours? No No of course. Not What did you want? I would so sincerely appreciate an introduction to this lady. Oh of course MISC- lock. May I present Mr Malet? How do you to meet you and It's cloud did I hear you. Express desire to obtain my autograph autograph. Oh Oh my goodness yes. I'd love it. I think I have a piece of paper or not. I O o hear No. That won't be necessary Miss Clark. You'll have my photograph pitching. Oh Canada doctor your. Pin Please assure wrens swamp malet do the fairest of the fair of the city of Seton Mattie clubs there with my compliments to what you've done for me Heke Down. You brought a new light into my life on the contrary my dear. Miss Cock you you have done me. The greatest honors by accepting this token of my hop appreciation for your interest in the fall coming efforts upon the boards of. Y'All theater this. Oh isn't that beautiful language language like that just makes me cry is one of the theater is a Salmond. Ms Clark. The most superb lessons of life maybe learned from the words of wisdom which have dripped like honey from the pens of our inspired playwrights high but a play all the world's a stage and the men and women on it only players the speak about David wasn't wonder shows how about by ducats for the seat. Oh you're passing. Yes you get ten of them. Mr Mayer tone maiden. That's correct. Yes if you don't mind my asking. What are you going to do with ten passes for your own show and a town of never hit before or you don't know so give them to me and I'll show you okay. Tell Ya Dan and now I take them between the thumb and faulting of my to have your tearing them up quite obviously yes. I'm tearing them in tool why I don't use them. They would undoubtedly be passed out among Mr Myers friends in as much as my salary for this evening performance is no less no more than ten percent of the grocery seats. I'd much rather Mr Maya's friends paid do see me. In dyson beats revenge. You understand the show. Yeah Yeah I get look. What's the matter terrible Nelson boy from done that judge and so it is clink? Nelson Dunlap Junction. Da more customers no-doubt now doubt complete with a peanut shells. Tomatoes looks quiet and Cedar from this. Am Hi Ed. How many how many what? Oh tickets thanks emmy POWs inquiry crash the show yeah okay scarface try it or how would you like to dish over about four? Calms Babe. Oh sure why not Mars? Only in business for his help gone crossed Palmer Skram. I think I'll wait. Well well well. Who's the pretty boy Do you by any chance referring to the physiognomy appearing on the surface of Yonder three sheet. Yeah no objection. I hope will That depend or are you. My name is Malet Mallet. That's you're GONNA poster. Yes it is smart guy eighty. You're looking swell. Thanks would you give me? I don't get into Barney night without paying admission. I don't want to take your money clink. Hey you're all right sadie say how about a date for night after getting through taking the customers on his punk show now thanks clink. I've got other plans other plans or come on you and we can have a swell time. If I believe I heard the young lady decline your invitation wouldn't be button into this. Would you pretty boy? Oh if I can properly persuaded I might okay. Violence you ask for it. You'll start the moment just a moment. Just a moment please. I don't know who you are young fellow but on the other hand. You don't know who I am. Yeah I haven't the slightest idea of how they treat young ladies and Dunlap junction but where I come from. They have different ideas about it from what you seem to have. Yeah I suggest that you offer your apologies to shocks the costing her in the manner. You did a moment ago. Apologize me what are you talking about? I ain't never apologized to notre dame up to now and I ain't GonNa Begin. I doubt that yeah. Yeah go ahead and apologize I I know I ain't GonNa okay. John Clue this time. Us is a good thing he had to kind of come on Nelson come on. Let's try it. You can't do this to get back to shut up sector enough. This is beginning to get interesting. Wait a minute. Wait like stand view. Gigolo. They hold the man. Well Dr. shall we pick up the pieces. What's your diagnosis? This case I would say the young man from Dunlap junction as momentary lapsed into a temporary coma. You missed your calling doctor. You should be active. Such timing is admirable. I hope you'll tell it. Forgive such an unseemly demonstration. Goodness never let the idea Mr Malet. Have you been hiding terrific rights I to give in to any ostentatious display? But I feel I must admit it's like tendency throat fisticuffs. Uc four years ago. I was acclaimed intercollegiate. Middleweight boxing champion of the Pacific coast. Goodness a prizefighter. God can't O'malley yes. Miss Shows Gentle Molly. I hope though you won't forget my professional pseudonym Francois Down where a kid I won't things well doctor. You think you'll be able to address. Some what enlarged optic of mine down to normal. Say by couldn't I'm this evening? Oh I think so. Let's take a walk. Down to bliss. His market and by a large piece of you know I remember one time when I was in eighty. Yeah you know Mattie I was all set to hop home this evening and read a good novel but instead I think I'll take in this show bad. Oh worry Mattie just the white hope of Dunlap junction coming back to the land of the living. Well mastermind what have you got that? He hasn't good eighty clink. What did you have well me and my pals give me four tickets for night This is the family doctor out. 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We can't great straight from the heart of America. Raw unfiltered Rockville Maryland to Boulder Colorado most powerful sort in the planet. So you really can't screen these things Kevin. Not at all. Okay then I think I'll just ask a question of my own. What's that okay? No I won't Austin. Texas is the onion news network. This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you control you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll. Free Number's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three and with you tonight. It's Aria and grey and Vincent and the Corona Virus of course still reigns as champion the news but there is other stuff going on the wine only the corona virus or the become flu boomer boomer room so obviously it's hard to escape that. I did find some stuff that gets away from it of course last night. We found the story about the dog being taught how to drive in that was fantastic. Excellent but it looks like Saito. She knocked Komodo. Who was the anonymous creator of? Bitcoin may also have created Minero. And that's not an April fools joke. There is an April fools joke. Going around that Craig. Right proved himself to be a Toshiba earlier. Really I saw it and I'll say this Hypol- The I I'm never going to up day. Was it happens but we didn't really get into anything in our actual show. Prep evidently and restaurant in Los Angeles has been shut down for selling groceries without a permit that could be Louisiana. But I imagine it's Los Angeles. Yeah so a few Los Angeles restaurants struggling to maintain footing amid the covered. Nineteen outbreak identified a clever way to generate revenue while still serving the community to start selling groceries. The city's public health department promptly. Shut them down the reason the small business didn't have a grocery permit. And here's the best part. It's not really possible for a restaurant to become a grocery store. Dr Barbara Barbara Furrer Director of the Los Angeles County Public Health said in a briefing. You cannot just decide you want to sell groceries. You have ask for permission. Apparently but isn't that amazing? Wha what implications does that have for all of the farmers markets presumably that don't exist in the state of California or lemonade stands to. I mean you hear about lemonade. Stand skiing shut. Down by police only make Senator GonNa shut down groceries because how dare they provide nourishment nutrition of people especially during a time of crisis? I mean how how it responsible of them to be doing this. It's ridiculous and it all comes together with that exact my send. These restaurants were put out of business by the government. And they're like okay then we'll become essential. We'll sell groceries and the government said No. You can't just sell groceries knob without the right permit and in California. That's a nightmare to deal with. They got a big Guido for another Permit to do whatever it is. He's GonNa come and take more money. From referring to the government there is a gang okay. So as if the mafia We kind of know what they're doing though as their in town they're really clear about it. You pay me or else but not with not with the government there so the restaurants turned grocery stores provide a rather obvious public health benefit. They are significantly less crowded than traditional grocery stores which is convenient when considering that every major health organization has advised individuals to maintain a six distance from surrounding people which I don't know if either did you go to the concord thing today I did not no you didn't. I didn't either but curious. If social distancing was maintain their I would think not. I know it wasn't when we met here in central square on Friday which thankfully I will be there again this Friday and then back to be. Yeah wouldn't imagine the people that are going out when they're told not to be going out would be also distancing themselves but I think the social distancing issue is kind of different from the obey the government issue right. I have no idea if it says.

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