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In two thousand four in a tiny town. A young woman named Rebecca Gould was brutally murdered nearly fifteen years later her killer is still on the loose. It's just really surreal walking around. Ideal. Mention so much fear too is out there. Dude. I'm Katherine towns. And this is Helen gone now. Available on apple podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to movie crush many crush horror movies, spook tackler part two. And I'm in the studio everybody with Joe and Robert from stuff to blow your mind. I guys. Hey, that's on the show. Man. You doing good? Yeah. Pretty good. Pretty good. So for everyone for the uninitiated stuff to blow your mind was one of our original suite of stuff shows, I think it was originally called stuff from the science lab. Correct. Yes. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. And that name wasn't great. And it changed a lot over the years from sort of. Kind of hate to say mainstream science, but it got a lot more offbeat in out there when you guys kind of got on board. So why don't you tell everyone just briefly what your show's all about? Well, let's see. I mean, it is it is still. Okay. Sorry. This is still a science show. Yeah. No. I mean, I I don't know. How offbeat I'd say we are say that. I mean, we we still try to bring a mainstream scientific skeptical kind of perspective, we're not like out there peddling the science of crystal healing. We I think maybe what you've detected is that we tend to because of our interests sort of put science on a collision course with weird other topics. We end up talking about how science topics intersect with movie monsters, and with epic poems of history and stuff like that. Yeah. I guess part of it just comes from us being a bit offbeat. And like if we're going to try and describe some sort of in some cases, pretty heady scientific topic. Yeah. Sometimes the metaphors were going to turn to are going to be things like say, the Highlander move. I two. Yeah. It's I think of all our shows, it intersects a lot like I think listeners to movie crush would really dig it because it intersects with film a lot of times, reference wise and just sort of your approach. So I think people would appreciate it listeners to the show. Cool. I hope the check it out just as a sampling of every October. We. Spend the whole month doing basically horror themed and asked about that. So just a couple of examples one episode. We did earlier this month was about a British water demon called Jimmy green teeth who. She she lurks in the stagnant pools, the old moral pits that have been dug out in English countryside. And now they're full of water and they've got this green type of education floating on top. So that can look just like flat ground that a child could run into fall. So people came up with the story about this demonize haunts the waters named Jenny green teeth will pull the children in my God. But that, but that gave us a good chance to so we we love talking about like the the folklore in the mythology there, then we also got to talk about like water to land tax in biology wearing like in France there. These catfish that have adapted to jump out of the river and snag pigeons off the Bank and. Yeah. And then also get into the just the psychology of why we make up stories like that or wind stories kind of emerged from from even culture. Like, why take something that is a naturally occurring? Dangerous hazard and input. This additional layer of horrific fiction over it horrific folklore right to our children. Great listeners. You know, they they come up with great ideas in response to our episodes one thing a lot of listeners have gotten in touch with us after the Jenny green teeth episode to say is, you know, it probably has something to do with the idea of the agency of the danger where like a child being warned about, you know, their pools out there, you could drown the kids. Like who cares? Right. Yeah. I'll be fine. But Ginny, right? You tell them that there's a monster that they have no control over like the monster. It's outside. They're you know, they can't be too confident about what a monster could do to that. Right. So it's just sort of a mild form of psychological child abuse. Exactly. And it can go too far. Like, we talked about this one weird example found from journal in like the early modern England where there was like this girl who who got some writing closed thirty, and she was afraid or parents would be mad at her. So what the historical record says that she drowned herself in a pool thinking that she could come back as one of these water demon house after she drowned there, that's awesome. Oh, man. Awesome. Well, I mean, you know, as a story or was that real? I mean as far as I know that's a true story. Then that's not awesome. Medically. I it's all of this eventually manifested in really Scott's legend that Meg Muko bones character rises up to threaten Tom Cruise at one point essentially Meg Michael, I mean, that's essentially Jenny green teeth. So that's where that came from. I think pretty positive. He's got to be green teeth. Yeah. I mean, there are other characters like that. It's not just Jenny green teeth. There's a general sort of class of water demon is on the world. So she could be inspired by one of his. Yeah. I think it's got to be Jimmy green tea. Awesome monster. I love Michael bones. Yeah. That was one of the questions I posed actually last week. We just did a bunch of do a lot of on the mini crushes interaction with the with the Facebook group. And I was like what's your? What's the scariest killer? What's the best weapon in horror movies? And we got a lot of great responses. But no one said that one that'd be a good one. We'll make Michael bones is a great example of something that comes up on our show all the time, which is like a monster. That's better than the movie. It's in. Yeah. Like legend is unfortunately, for all wonderful aesthetic qualities in fact, that it's got Tim curry just the best human to ever live. Yeah. It's such a slog. Like, can you get through it? Yeah. It's it's it's tough. Well, then also that that monster in particular, it's not even just a side quest. Yeah. Pops up. It's it's kind of like what the Boba fett of that film where you super into it. You just want more of this creature? And then it's gone doesn't come back. He see everybody. I told you these. What if you want to listen to a sign show, and you like movies these dudes? So Joe I have to sell Nola out a little bit. He said last week that that you guys were great to get in here because it'll be a little more deep into the horror cannon and stuff that not quite as mainstream, and he said that just get ready because Joe likes bad horror movies. Oh, yeah. We both have bad. Yeah. Yeah. More. It's the bad ones. I think I'm drawn to and we've talked about this a fair amount. I feel like I think with a with a with a really solid HARA film. It's doing all the thinking for you. Which is great. Yeah. At times. But if you have a film, that's rougher around the edges. It'd be has some some long boring spells in there. It gives you time to think, and you're kind of trying to fix the film in your mind, right? And or or just creating extra layers of meaning that were totally not intended to be there. And I I enjoyed that more and more these days, I guess this little more participatory that way. Yeah. I just watched the the first Halloween Wassall the new Halloween in Phoenix couple of days ago. I haven't seen it yet. Well, Michael gets a little stabby. I don't want to really. Yeah. He gets a little stabby. But then last night, I was on west coast time still so I was kind of up late, and I keep up the original Halloween, and which I hadn't seen in a long long time. So it's cool to see all the references. And the new was a lot more referential to diverse than I had remembered, but I was fine with it. I was I've seen people kinda poke it that. Little bit. But I mean, it's a great. It was really good thoroughly enjoyed it. The original Halloween is it's kind of unimpeachable. I mean, I love it it. So you saw it for the first time in like a new like good TV right with them. Yeah. Like did. You see for the first time that like, oh, it's not actually autumn. This is summertime in California. Everything's green. Orange leaves scattered about there's a palm tree here and there in the deep background, but I'm sort of used to looking for LA in movies. Although it's not quite as bad. You know, these days because they don't film everything there. But yeah, that's like Pasadena. Yeah. That famous hedge a friend of mine, or you guys might know Matt Gourley, he does the James bonding podcast and another movie podcast called. I was there too. And he'd have heard of that. Yeah. It's where he talks to sort of. Like the fifth or sixth person on the call sheets of famous movies. But he has he's a big Halloween guy and lived very close to that that street or the streets where they film that. And took a great pictures of the famous hedge where you know, Michael standing there. And then he's there one second then behind the Bush the next, and it's all it's all still there. That's the stuff that makes the movie like the the best part of Halloween in my opinion is not actually like after the murders. Start. It's all that stuff in the first half. We're Jamie Lee Curtis is, you know, she's in school or she's at home looking out the window or something. Yes. See him for a second out there. And then he's gone and the way the way those shots interact with the music is just so perfect. The music. Also makes that move out for sure. Yeah. That's that's probably my favorite part about about Halloween because I don't think it's really my favorite carpenter film. It's probably not even like my top ten carpenter film. It's not even my favorite Halloween. Oh, yeah. Halloween, three. Yeah. That's what Noll told me. Yeah. I haven't seen that one. So I know that one it doesn't feature Michael Myers in. Well, it does he's on TV Seymour characters are watching the original Halloween. Okay. So what's the deal though? It's about a horror mask company. Yes. But also like a techno pagan conspiracy kind of ambiguous goals in mind, perhaps world domination or maybe they just want to kill all the children. And maybe I should just explain the plot to you. Okay. So it's got the the old man from RoboCop. Remember, Dan, O'hurley, the head of the boardroom Detroit has a cancer cry that guy. So he runs a company that you find out over the course of the movie got like Tom Atkins and Stacey Nelken Tom Atkins like masculine kinda like strawberry blonde. Burt reynolds. I don't I I would probably recognize in the fog. Have you seen the fog? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The like strawberry. Blond moustache guy in the fog. Okay. Yeah. I know. Yeah. So he plays like a beer swilling surgeon with a nagging ex wife, and so he he ends up going with this young lady to investigate the death of her father in this town in California and the town is like this. It's this weird fascist town. That's run by this company that makes Halloween masks that are enormously successful and every shop in the country's gotta have them. The kids are obsessed with them and the air these TV commercials that play the song over and over Robert can using the saw. Well, yeah, it's happy happy Halloween. Halloween Halloween to the tune of London bridge the wants the movie's over you will be singing it for years. And so they find out in the end that Dan O'hurley. He's goal is to you skipped over something really important. And that's the fact that there are androids. That's Dan O'hurley. He he's got a factory full of like like thugs that are androids in three P, suits what? Yeah. And they they run around killing people all to service his ultimate goal of giving Halla weaned masks out to children everywhere. So that win the Halloween masks are activated by the television, commercial eg microchip made of a piece of stone hinged inside the mask. Did I say map math? Piece of Stonehenge microchip inside the mask turns into a laser that shoots the child's head and turns the head into crickets and snakes. And that's that's his plan while I did not. I mean, I knew it was loosely about masks did things, but I had no idea one of the best things about it, though is John carpenter. Did not direct. This said he did. And I didn't think that was right. I can't remember who directed off Tommy Lee Wallace. Tell me director of the it miniseries with Tim Curtis. Okay. But the the soundtrack was John carpenter element worth in my opinion. It's it's probably the best carpenter Horth soundtrack. It's it's I mean, it's just it's Halloween to the max, it's everything that you like in other carpenters soundtracks, except somehow just more electric. Yeah. I I put that one like score wise right at the top. I love it. I listen to that soundtrack all the time. How do you know, the origin of the theme song for your show the show? We're on right now. I think knoll made it inspired by attrac-. I sent him from the Halloween three soundtrack. Well, all right. That all makes sense then because they told told when I was commissioning that piece. I was like I want something sort of eighties and cincy and reference carpenter announce I can just go wild. So this specifically Halloween three inspired. Yeah. I think so chariots of chariots of pumpkins. I think he's like, you know. Immaterial pumpkins link, and I was like you used this as you're jumping off point. Wow, man. I didn't know that thanks for that. Then I didn't know you influence the movie Chris much. Well, we'll hear we'll hear what he says. He could be he could dispute me. But I think this is the case. Over three hundred twenty five years ago. The community of Salem, Massachusetts was rocked by something that few ever thought possible. It's been called an outbreak a wave of hysteria or the perfect storm at the confluence of seemingly unrelated ideas events, and beliefs, whatever, we try to call it, though, we always seem to miss the Mark what bothers me so much so many people say how ignorant people were back, then that's historian. Emerson Baker professor of American history at Salem state university. How could they possibly believe in witches? And that they were I remember in sixteen ninety two which is were real everybody believed in university ministers. Doctors of theology governors pope's, which is our real the Salem witch trials are equal parts universally known and barely understood by most people. That's why this series exists. New episodes of this twelve part series air every Wednesday. Learn more and find links to subscribe over at history on obscured dot com. All right. So through some questions out at you guys. And we've already talked a little bit about the first one, but I'm curious about mainstream or what you would consider mainstream, horror, filmmakers, and or movies. And kind of what what some of your favorites. Are I have to go? John carpenter. Yeah. Yeah. No. He is the master. I mean, it's hard to say when you're in the horror world, I don't know what actually counts as mainstream right because their stuff that like everybody who's into horror knows about. But the people who aren't into horror probably don't know about at all. So I don't know if that's mainstream or not probably asking the wrong guy. But yeah, as far as like, definitely mainstream directors. I couldn't I couldn't say other than carpenter. I mean carpenters made so many wonderful films and also going back to what we started on earlier his he's made some great bad films. Like if you've ever seen ghosts of Mars that just hits all that ad movie notes. I mean, it's the kind of movie that you get the feeling they did not work over the texture of how the lines would sound when spoken by actor. Right. So they they try to replicate. The character of snake Pless kin from from New York by having a character named desolation Williams in characters actually like around calling. Hey desolation played by ice cube. Really, they don't even call them death now. Well, maybe they do eventually at some point. They're calling it. What's up desolation? That's weird. Yeah. There's so many great elements in that film, though. Even though the finish the final product doesn't really come together because you have pretty good cast you got ice cube. You got insen es in that one. Or is he Kerry cine thinking? Could that might be mission to Mars? Yeah. He's in that. But this has Jason Stefa Jason Pam Grier. Yeah. It's not good. I mean, I don't know if you should see it if you're not into like, really bad horror. Yeah. But I mean, so there's that into the spectrum that's carpenter in the late nineties early two thousand but early carpenter is just cannot be beat. And I love his weird or movies that a lot of people don't like our producer Ramsay here. I know I lent him my copy of prince of darkness. I think he was not into it. But he gave us a middle road. Okay. Khnl. Well, I love prince of darkness by John carpenter. Have you seen that one? I haven't I can picture the cover in my in my head of the or the poster green stretchy face. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Why didn't see that one? You should check it out. I mean, I can't promise you'll like it. But if you like a very weird bonkers original plot. I can't think of another movie that's got a story. Like it where there's this whole thing about quantum physics and about the anti-god and like the devil being part of physics. It's crazy. Yeah. Does play nicely with. I mean, I wouldn't call it out like a science har- film. But he uses some science set pieces rather effectively the science is not like accurate, but well in a way, it's more accurate than most movies. It's all I asked. Just give it lip service. Yeah. But yeah, I it's a lot of fun. And it's actually got some really scary parts. I think it's got this really cool dream sequence. Where like you? There's this garbled message that keeps coming through to people in dream because the people in the future are communicating with people in the past through their dreams transmission, but with tacky on or something. Yeah. I think so and it's got Donald Pleasants, of course. Oh, yeah. He when he turns up, you know, you're in for you're in for something special. Victor Wong is in that one. Mostly known is eggs shin in big trouble. Yeah. He's great. He is he plays like an old physics professor in it. And he's just wonderful. So what else did he make horror? I mean. Yeah. I mean, the thing and Halloween darkness. Yeah. One of my favorites later day carpenter is in the mouth of madness, which is sort of love crafty and themed picture has start Sam Neill. Yeah. Recommended on Facebook last week. That's a good one. I I've always enjoyed it. That's when I I I can watch again, and again and find something new in the mouth of madness. Yeah. I need to I I like horror movies guys. But I was telling no like if if my wife was more into it. I would watch more, but she's not. So it's just one of those things where like I gotta go by myself and do it which is fine. But every time I watch a good horror movie it really like it's kinda like no other John RIA as far as like, it makes me feel like I should watch more horror movies, but your wife. Won't watch Harmon. She's not into it. But again until she she wants to know what happens. I came back from hereditary. Now, it's like this movie fucking blew my mind. Oh, so good. I it's like one of the scary things of ever seen and unsettling, and she was like we'll tell me about it cycle. Do you wanna see it? I don't think. So. But tell me tell me like the whole thing if you ever tried getting her up to speed with like ramping up through bad horror movies. You start that way. They're funny. Right. You know, you get used to horror setting. I see what you mean. But she wouldn't be into that Moore thing with with my wife. I spent I think three years trying to get her to watch. It follows with me because when it came out. Yeah. Emily might like it has. I mean, so well shot well acted. It's not gratuitous totally agree. And and so it took three years to get to that point. She's like finally watched it with me. She lived at. Yeah. All right. Does she like horror movies at all? Normally, sometimes I guess she doesn't she likes being creeped out by right? Yes. He Emily just gets really like it stays with her. And you know, she gets scared in the house, and I gotta admit man last night after Halloween. It was I think one in the morning when it was over. I go down. We're in this rental house right now 'cause we're renovating our house we had to completely move out. And it's in the woods, and it's got glass everywhere. And it's cool. But and I'm not one to usually get freaked out. But I have to admit last night when I let my dogs out at one in the morning. I was you know, I saw my reflection and oh, okay. That's just me and one of the dogs barked really loudly. And that scared me and so. It definitely like I'm not too ashamed to admit it gets into me as well. What sounds like a setup for our movie totally hot cast? House around glass everywhere found audio horror movies you done that yet. You done that yet. No. But it's well, this doesn't ruin anything. But the new Halloween the couple of the characters podcasters. Do they like knife some true crime podcasters? Everybody's been waiting for that. So did movie stay with you guys. Like that. Like do you get freaked out? And to me that's part of the fun of it is to that adrenaline. You know, whatever you guys probably know the science of it a little more. Yeah. I would say in some cases, it's generally not what I want from my horror films. I want to be. You know, creatively engaged with it or you know, just kind of taken away. Like, I don't wanna be me when I'm watching the horror film. Yeah. And then afterwards, I'd I'd rather just sort of go out thinking about the the ideas that gave me, but, but there is something kind of thrilling about like suddenly being afraid in your house because of like like natural threats because the thing from it follows, right? And you know. Yeah. I I like being scared by horror movies, and I am sometimes. I mean, I've I've watched so many of them have gotten a little immune to especially like, the very conventional types of scares you see over and like a mirror scare can't get me anymore because I've seen it a million. You know, where they're in the medicine cat. And then they close it years there. And there's something some bogans behind a mood, and yeah, every horror movie and that just can't scare me anymore because I'm watching for it anytime anybody's in medicine, and it can't surprise me. And I'm just like. Oh, okay. But I yeah. A lot of like hereditary really after it was over. Well, I felt this weird mix of of being having been terrified by the movie. But also, I was in the theater by myself. And I was just looking around at people with my mouth open. Like, it's like did you see that too? And there is a weird kind of way. I don't wanna spoil anything about hereditary. But the end of that movie is not just scary. But it transforms who's kind of beautiful transcendent thing. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like the end of the witch to. Yes. Oh, the witch is one of my favorite, recent heart. It's so good. Yeah. I had this weird reaction and Nolan. I did a little review of hereditary in. I think it's probably the human body like trying to protect itself, but in a movie like hereditary when I am curled up in my seat with my fists clenched. So just tight. That's my move. I laugh sometimes it something. That's so off the charts. Fucked up in scary. I find myself kind of laughing in part of it is a thing self protection and preservation and part of it is man like what a great idea as a filmmaker. And I don't know what that is. Yeah. Well, we actually may have been you and Chris Christian did an episode on this. Maybe last year your phone. I think it was last October. It's titled wanted we laugh at horrify film. Okay. And there I think a few different ideas there. But one of them is that that laugh like when you're scared, and then you are not killed by something. The laughter is kind of like an immediate signal to other humans to let everybody know. Hey, I'm not dead. Hey, there's not really a threat. You know, when I screamed in earlier everybody can come down because there's not a killer in house. Okay. Do you ever hurt yourself at home? Like, you stub your toes scream or something like that? And then people somebody's like, oh is everything. Okay. And then what do you do you start laughing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of like that. It's like, okay. We're coming down now. Everything's all. Right. Right. It depends. How hard you stub your toe? I'm more able to double down and say, no, I'm not, okay. Yeah. They got me, man. That's good stuff. I mean that goes gotta go back to like cavemen sitting around the fire. Yeah. I think it it does predate language. Yeah. One of the things I love most about horror movies is not just the feeling of being scared. You know that raw sort of body physiological feeling, but I think that fear is maybe the most revealing emotion in multiple ways. It's like, you know, how we go throughout your life. You've always got these sort of layers of performance up. You've got like how you are during a job interview. And that's not really you. And then you've got how you are around your friends. Maybe that's a little bit more, really you. And then there's how you are home with your like, very close trusted loved ones. And all that. And then under that, I think is how you are when you're scared. That's like baseline absolutely really are even you don't really know. And when you get scared that party, you comes out, and you get to see what it's like, you get to see like where your mind goes when when all of those layers are removed. Yeah. And so it's interesting in that way. Like, you get to see your own reaction through fear. But you also get to see what other people. Think is scary. Right. You know, so one of my favorite things about bad horror movies is that there. I think one of the most culturally interesting types of artifacts. Like, you get to see what other people out there in the culture think would be scary or what preoccupies them when their minds start going to a dark play. And in that way. Even when the movies are bad. They're usually very culturally and psychologically interesting. Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, it's been pointed out a lot of times, it's when you have some sort of cultural shift going on it's not the the art films that are necessarily going to be the first ones to jump in. And try to tell a story about it. No, it's going to be the exploitation filmmakers, the horror films in the B movies list of lowbrow gets there first. And they show you what they're worried about. Yeah. That's interesting. Because when I when you start talking about the reaction immediate thought of the that sort of thing that went around the internet when when they had the photos of people in the haunted house those. Reaction shots. And you know, like the toughest dudes in the world. Right. Just looking like little babies, and it is it's so revealing because it just strips away everything all the ego and everything and that that's kind of a horror movie trope to like when there's the group of teenagers in the woods. Like, how are they all going to react who is who's gonna be living at the end who's gonna pee their pants, right? I mean, so one you asked us about a horror movie tropes earlier, one of the funniest ones that I think shows up especially in slasher movies like the early eighties unless you're wave is. You've got I don't know if this is the right term. I'd call them something like focus group friends where there's a group of friends that there. Why would these people ever hang out with each other? It's like one jock one word one punk rocker one stuck up rich girl. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. It's like these people would never naturally be friends or hang out together. But those that's the group that went up to the cabin. For the weekend. Yeah. And I think it's because there's this natural curiosity, especially in the slasher movies, which are less about being scary. And more about a kind of like geeky curiosity like what would it look like if you've got an face? And so there's that curiosity element. And you're trying to see like how would these different archetypes different types of people react in a fear scenario? Wanna see? Yeah. Like, how would I react? And so I'm more like the nerd more. Like the jives. Good insight. That was one of the great questions that Facebook or threw at us last week was would you guys survive a horror movie, and I said, I would because I was like I'm old and chubby. But man, I've had an amazing fight or flight response. You're going to say because I'm a virgin. I I can get moving if I need to and I would try out crazy somebody with physical violence. This comes back to to something that that we were just talking about on on the stuff to your mind podcast it, and it comes back to what you said earlier about how a whole different person when we're afraid, and there's this this idea that we have. Essentially to fear networks in our brain one is the planning network, we're thinking about what would it? What would it be like? Well, or more to the point. It would be like what are the what are the things that might happen to me? And what can I do now to prevent them right in the other is the real times like unconscious reaction events. And like, you said, we don't really know that personnel that well, and I wonder if a lot of times, we watch these horror movies to kind of to kind of guess how we might respond to look at these archetypes and see how they respond and also to sort of clean onto one right? As the hopeful model for how we will on when the bad things. Yeah. Yeah. For sure when I was a kid. I think everyone probably some people still do this Emily does. But anytime I was in a room like if staying with someone or my own house, I would always be like fire poker? Like always have thing in the room of like, that's what I would run for and grab to defend myself. And I don't do that anymore. Which is weird. I don't think I've gotten any braver. Yeah. Or? I don't know. Maybe I'm not sure I mean, I guess I do know where the various, you know, we have no weapons on our house other than like, the golf club or something. But I don't know. I don't think about it as much but Emily's still all about that. Like, if she we stated these friends and Napa Valley one time a few years ago, and they live like at the top of this mountain in the woods, and it's Dila can beautiful and the safest place on earth, and they don't lock their doors. They didn't even have a lock in their little guesthouse in that freaked her out so much. She was like I was awake all night. I don't know. Oh, no Napa Valley in the middle of the which he's like, exactly right? That's where happens. And so she had her weapons picked out in the you know, that vase is what I would grab throw. And she's always ready. Yeah. Rural california. That's where Dan O'hurley. He's androids come for you. Yeah. That's true or the Golden State killer or zodiac. Yeah. What am I talking about? So what about a no people would love to hear some deep cuts from you guys, movie wise, I think I already did Halloween three gotta be even that was mainstream enough to be like a major release like what are your favorite really like kinda hard to find out their deep cut horror films? Well, one that I'm really fun is a nineteen eighty six film called terror vision. I don't know if you guys ever heard directed by. Some rock elements. So it's I think it's out on like Amazon prime right now. I think everybody can constrain it. But it has this kind of guns. Oh, neon eighties vibe to and the plot is I recall is that you have this trash compactor kind of blob shogun kind of monster that escapes from aliens and like ventures into the these people's house of via satellite TV. Yeah. And starts messing with them and shape shifting, and it's it's just the right balance of like fun, and and a little bit trashy, but not trashy, and it has fabulous monster affects it's it's it's one of the films that I didn't see like back in the day. And I discovered it for myself in recent years, and it's probably right up there the top in terms of films that I think really need more like of a cult following our attention terror vision here vision. All right. That's on the list. I've probably going. Spend too much of this podcast talking about Halloween. Three back. Bad horror movies that are funny. So I want to actually focus on that. I think is really good and subtle and scary that I think is I don't I've never heard of anybody else. Other than my friend who recommended it to me knowing of this one if you heard of a little Australian movie called lake Mungo. Nope. I think it's from like two thousand seven or so somewhere like mid to thousands, and it is sort of the found footage. No, it's not found for style documentary style. So it's filmed as if it's a documentary, but it's fictional. And it's basically just a documentary about a family that dealt with the death in the family, and it turns into this ghost story that is it's not going to have, you know, horrifying boo scares or anything like that. It just has some really subtle documentary style ghost imagery that absolutely got under my skin after the first time, I saw it. I was like alone in the house, and I couldn't stand it. So scared. Stick around for the in credits that movie, by the way. Yeah. But so director is only made that movie and hasn't really done much of anything else. So. Yeah. I just wonder what happens with people like that. Yeah. I thought you can say wolf creek for a minute when he trillion. No. That was good though. I liked wolf creek. I haven't seen it. That's the more like of a murder movie. Right. Yeah. But those are the scariest wants to me like, I don't know. What's like legit scares, you guys? But ghosts. Oh, really? Yeah. Ghost since I was a kid. It was always a something that could really happen. Like a dude bringing into oh, that's those are the those are the films. I will not see like, I don't. I'm not wanna see home invasion are film at this point in my life. Those are. Slasher movie. So I like, well I like the bat I like some bad slasher movies like to really define like, my taste in slasher movies. My favorite Friday the thirteenth Jason X where he's in outer space. I never saw that one. That's that's the best then make it to the tenth in the series. I don't know how many of those Asala just a couple of. I mean, I don't go super so ten outerspace outerspace Jason is safely removed from me even more so than being at a summer camp. Yeah. I just I'm not real home invasion, like the strangers or something. I don't have any interesting that I'm like, I'm sure it looks. There's a few few those that people love them. They look like they're tremendously. Well may. It's just it's just too real. I just don't want to do it. Yeah. I'm with you. I mean, that's why it scares me. So let's unpack the ghost thing. Yeah. Lets what's up with that? I don't know. I just find ghosts. The most frightening. I mean, I've seen a million vampire movies, and I really love some of them. I can think of fantastic vampire, movies gear Modell, Toro's Cronos, wonderful. Have you seen that one? It's so good. But vampires just never scare me. Right. Same here. Same thing. You know, where wolves I love somewhere wolf movies American werewolf in London tastic. But it's it's just like a big dog. You know, it's just that right? To me for some reason ghosts that really gets to me something about it's something about I think, it's they're non corporate -ality that makes them especially scary because when you've got a vampire or any kind of physical monster, though, I generally love physical monsters, you think like, okay, I could run away from that. I could fight it whatever when there's a ghost. It's like, you don't know what the rules are. And you don't know how. How it gets to you it it it feels like a different level of conflict that you don't really understand. Right. You can't club it right with a baseball bat. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Also, but go Celso, they generally are not just like out looking for somebody to eat right goes stories almost always have like some kind of involvement with the victim. The victim usually has some kind of like guilty conscience about something. Or you know, what I mean, right or some kind of moral involvement with the ghost, right, right? Right. Or or they just want you to get the fuck out of there. Yes. That's that's one of those types of conflicts. Right. Like, you're in their territory, you moved in and they wanted. Yeah. What I think I tend to see more often. It's just like the idea that hope now I missed I've somehow messed up now I'm involved with the ghost. And there's no way out of it. Like, it doesn't. I don't know. I'm thinking things like the ring Oculus poltergeist like they were all kind of joy. Wrong people the people in the wrong place at the wrong time, they have to deal with this thing. Yeah. Well, yeah. Again with all of those movies. It's that you don't really know the rules, right? You should understand win. You're incurring the wrath of this ghostly other force. Yeah. I guess all those it's like with nears Oculus, which is what's named Flanagan. Mike flanagan? Is that right? Yeah. The guy who did the hill house show. That's on Netflix right now. Okay. Really? Good. It's good. It's a huge Downer. Really wanted to show is no no Oculus is. Okay. I love it. But it's it's a really depressing horror film. I have not seen a TV series yet. I haven't either have you know, I haven't I've heard well, I just for the first time earlier this year read Shirley Jackson's the haunting if you'll house, which is just a fantastic goes novel. Yeah, you ever read it now. Now, it's so great because it's genuinely very scary. I think you know, written in the fifties and still scare fifties. Or sixties, whichever still scary. But also, very funny. And that's the thing that I think I really appreciate when a horror movie can do when they give you the hot and cold showers -solutely. It is both. It has scenes are totally comfortable and warm and Vanni and make you feel good. And that sets you up even more for for the great scary scenes movies that just go to eleven on discomfort and terror of the whole time, those get monotonous, they're usually very good. Yeah. I think I kind of agree with that. The one thing that comes to mind here. You said that you with the ghosts. You don't know what the rules are? Like the scary part. It does seem like with some of these movies. Okay. Haunted. Mir's most people really don't actually understand how mirrors work and terrifying. Yeah. With haunted house movies, especially poltergeist like homeownership. Nobody really now. And therefore the ghosts are the perfect metaphor for their more for the renovators who came in before they flip the house. You get to find out all the stuff that they cut corners on over time. Well, and a lot of times it's a big part of horror film is figuring out the rules as the characters like with it follows. Yeah. That was a big part of that movie was is especially for that one because it was seen and. I think I need to see that one again. Oh, man. I could watch that so many times. Yeah. It's one of the most original horror mythologies, I can think of it's hard to do that nowadays too. It's hard to come up with a regional stuff. It artfully allows room for contemplation like it it forces you to think we'll we'll what actually happened with this scene that what happened when she went out to the pope what right? What happened when this characters driving through this bad part of town towards the end of the film, whereas a lesser movie, a really bad horror film? We'll have those kind of gaps due to negligence, right? Whereas here, they're they're part of of the design perfectly. Yeah. That was a good one Nolan are talking about how the. The setting of that movie. The time was sort of. It was weird because it felt like the eighties. But also now. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was kind of cool how they did that they got that that eighties like Spielberg kids on bikes on neighborhood kind of thing they had that going on. And so that definitely took you back to the eighties. Even though it seemed like the technology was more like there were cell phones in it. Right. It has weird technology and it because they're using flip phones. And then somebody has like a clam shell readers doesn't actually exist. Made that for the movie. And made that for the movie. Yeah. No contention. I think I agree with him. Yeah. Is that all of that kind of unsettles you as of you're kind of throws you off because you don't even know when it takes place. Yeah. And that's just sort of an unsettling feeling in itself. The you know, just the thing I was talking about the hot and cold showers. It follows does that naturally because every time they gained distance from the thing it's walking. So they know they've bought some time and rest for a bit. It's a perfect mythology for that kind of structure in a horror movie. Yeah. I mean, if there aren't peaks and valleys intent relief of tension. Although movie like hereditary was pretty good example of that were in a lot of funny bits in that at all. I don't remember any where there there were that was fairly it wasn't. It wasn't very funny. But it did have like moments where you could rest. Yes. It wasn't just terror and discomfort the entire time. Like there were the initial times that, you know, Toni Collette met the other woman and before that turns. Yeah, that's spoil anything, but we already reviewed it on the show. Okay. Yeah. I haven't seen it. But the trailers don't make it look tremendously funny. No. It's not on the eggs. They're low stress moments in it. Yeah. But that's one of the great parts about and it's a certain kind of horror movie where you have legitimate comedy written in. It's always welcome for me. And the new Halloween has some funny bits. Yeah. And of course, the great Sam Ramey and all of his movies. Well, army of darkness, actually that was probably full on comedy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even think there was much horror in that those creatures are still pretty free. Indeed. Yeah. I almost just say evil dead. Two is comedy. Would you not? Yeah. I mean, someone put that on the Facebook list is their favorite horror movie and did pose that question. I was like is. I mean, it is horror, but not like the first one the first one was definitely way more horror. I think than comedy, but he always has struck that balance. Really? Well, I think. Hi, I'm Daniel, and I'm more. And we're here to tell you all about our brand new podcast Daniel and hor, hey, hey, explained the universe in this podcast. We're gonna talk about a lot of things mostly about physics and the universe and all those big mysteries. Scientists a lot of things left to figure out even pretty basic stuff. Like, what is space what he's time? What is stuff made out of which movie gets time travel? Right. That's an important question. Scientists. Are we alone in the universe? What is a black hole? Anyway with inside a black hole. That's about. It's mostly me and Jorges riffing on stuff. We find fun and fascinating and hilarious. Look for Daniel and more. Hey, explained the universe. We'll try to cover just about everything in the everything every dollar shebang. The whole shebang from cats planets two black holes and tiny parties. Guy. So let's I mean, what's your all time favorite horror movie? Do you have one who? Man, that's hard to say, I I'm a big fan of jaws. But I don't know if you consider that a horror movie, I don't more that's an to me. I mean, I watched that every year, but it's one of my favorite movies every summer on on the fourth of July. Rachel, and I watched jaws like fall asleep to it them. And I so great. It's kind of perfect now that movies too fun. Yeah. To me to be a horror movie, but it is a great monster movie. Sure. I wouldn't I wouldn't call it hard movie. I'm really bad at all time favorites. I whenever somebody asked me that. I just have to like lists things that pop to mind. I mean a lot about any of your favorites. I mean recent movies. I definitely think of the witch. I think Bob Duke, I think of how. Yeah, that was great. So good know, that's an example of film. Everybody said is great. And I said down to watch it, and it was at I think it was not long after we got our son. And I was just like now, I can't do this. I just can't watch a haunted film with some sort of a child element. And I've heard that about people like sometimes having kids changes what kind of horror movies, they can enjoy they ruin everything to. Yeah. Yeah. You can't enjoy anything to enjoy. Now, I'm with you though, for sure like in any any stuff involving kids now is like tough for me for sure gene, siskel, you still. I know you do the you know, what it Evert say gene siskel used to always complain about that like when they were reviewing movies on Cisco Niebuhr anytime there is a movie that put a child at at peril. He would massively penalize the movie for it. Yes. Sometimes it seemed like that would be the sole criterion. That that drove him to thumbs down for a movie. Yeah. Yeah. I get that hated it. What about you? Robert, do you have an all-time router has to be hands down the original Texas chainsaw massacre. Oh, really? Yeah. I get even though. Yeah. It's a it's not supernatural doesn't have monsters generally. My thing is monsters. But just the feels like a really almost kind of a perfect storm of elements like that kind of grimy late seventies. Feel this. Rural setting is since of like, I mean, the opening with the the solar flares everything just feels like cosmic Lee misaligned. Yeah, that's one that I feel just great from beginning to end. There's something about just like fucked up hillbilly crew well family, that's like, I know it's terrible to because it just identifies one segment of the population and saying you people are creepy. But wait, no, it's flatlands in Texas. So it'd be it'd be a flat Billy's, right? Oh, yeah. Is that a work? Okay. Can make that one. That's good, Texas. Hillbilly chainsaw family flat Billy's, well and just for sheer sound design pointed out last week when they were talking about the best murder weapons. It's hard to that chainsaw. Yeah. It's just so loud. And just terrifying. Even though it's not a good murder weapon. Oh, no, not at all in reality. About the unwieldy you got to count on to start. Well, I know I know big fan of tennis Cosmo's says Mandy as well. Have you haven't seen it yet? I can't wait a scene where character is is going to sneak up on somebody with a chainsaw starting. Sound is great. But of course, it's totally impractical. Yeah. There's I mean, if it doesn't start you're just stuck with this heavy thing. I guess you could try and hit someone with it. But it's too heavy to even swing really. A knife. For me is the scariest shit. There's something about being stabbed and the kitchen knife. That's just terrifying. Another recent favorite. I thought of seen house of the devil Thai west house of the devil. Yes. I think eight or nine sometime around the I thought that one was just killer slow-burn hung slow build. I like movies like that. I mean lake Mungo is like that too. Just a slow building. Yeah. That was good that had. Unrecognizable to me. But what's the actress that from top gun? Oh, yeah. What is her name? There was a woman. Something remember? Yeah. I remember the love interest. Oh, wait. She's in that you thought it was just all homoerotic tension. That's the only thing was goosing house of the devil. The lady iceman net. Can't remember name? But she's she's the the old lady in that movie. Mary Warren now, am I thinking of the right movie, you might be thinking of the wrong movie? I think the I'm going to look I think the old lady in house of the devil is the lady who is in like eating Raoul and the beginning of chopping mall. Have you seen shopping mall now that one so? Yeah. It's an eighties technology onto muck movie where they've got robots that are supposed to be the security droids to defend them. All and of course, some horny teenagers. Stay over overnight hang out and party in the furniture store, but then all of the security droids attack. And right. Yeah. It's pretty great. So I was thinking of the innkeepers. Oh that was great too. Yeah. That's one. That's also. I did not see how the double. Oh, you should see how the devil and Kelly McGillis from top gun lady. Did I get the other lady's name, right? Mary Warren off. I think maybe it is now. Okay. All right. So I need to see how the double man, and it's got it's got a, oh, what's his name from for manhunter and Tom Noonan? Oh, great movie. Creeps creepy is dude ever. And I I don't know anything about Tom Noonan personally. But I always feel bad because I bet he's just the sweetest guy on earth. Yeah. But he he is the creepiest human ever born he had. But you know, when you're born with a face like that like you're making money off of it. It's like the guy who played buffalo Bill HOGAN. Hoge is he's been in so many things and he's always buffalo Bill to me. He had formed, but he was in that that that remake of the hills have eyes any play at the dad, and he's great in that like that's a one of these revenge films where there's so much care put into the beginning of it end up falling in love with these characters to certain extent. And then you really don't want anything to happen to it. So weird to just totally buy into him. It's just this dad. Boy talk about character, though. The hills have is that guy. Oh, we mean. What's his name dairyman? Yes. Michael berryman? Yeah. Not John Berryman. Who's that the poet John berry? All right. My Michael Berryman Berryman for me. Okay. All right, guys. Well, we have to finish up. But I don't feel like we're done. So I would like to do this again Cam, you I'd love maybe we can do a part three and nudge this into November a little bit because feel like we're almost feel like we're of halfway done with this conversation. I am. I would love to come back anytime check. All right. Well, let's do it like in the next couple of weeks and go ahead and get it out there because I didn't start early enough in October for all these horror specials. Well, and plus I mean all the other big holidays are all about nudging in on on Halloween time. So I think Halloween shit get to have at least the first half of November. Okay. They're selling Christmas stuff in our. We get. In the store. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Maybe we can talk about on silent night deadly night. Here's some good ones. Christmas order. Good silent night deadly nights. But there there is some solid Christmas or rare. Rare exports exports. Oh, that one's great. It's a Finnish. I think. Yeah. It's finish Christmas horror movie. Very very Spielberg. He it's got like killer Santa clauses. It's it's great, man. All right, guys. Thanks for coming everyone. Checkout stuff to blow your mind and I'm seriously skit in here. Like next week the next we can finish this up. All right. Sounds good to me. Thanks. Thanks, man. Hey, everybody Chuck here to talk to you about one of my favorite podcast. It's called lady lady, it's hosted by comedians, Barbara gray, brandy Posey and tests Barker, and I know all three of these ladies, and they're great. They're hysterical. And there are just super awesome. Individuals each week there joined by guests for an unfiltered session of sleepover games. Pop culture, discussion and hilarious, admissions in each episode ends with the very funny, but Ernest advice segment called lady problems. There. Guest include some of the most impressive comedy writers and performers in the biz. We're talking Margaret show Aisha Tyler Karen, kill Gareth. She's great. Rachel bloom guy brenham. 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