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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Jon Morosi (02-27-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Jon Morosi (02-27-19)

"It's all about me. Dan, Patrick gas. There is more where that came from click back for new episodes all week, log sky, diving business amaze-. Yeah. But you know, what else is amazing an iphone six s for just forty nine bucks. At metro really imagine streaming all the way down with that amazing camera. I've switching that smart. You know, what else is smart parachutes? Switch to metro and get an amazing iphone six for only forty nine bucks metro by T mobile. Phone offer requires porting of number currently active on T mobile network are active on metro and past ninety days. See store for details and terms and conditions broadcasting from the Mercedes men cave. This is Dan Patrick our to Dan in the danettes Dan Patrick show on this Wednesday. We'll check in with the dodgers what's going on with Bryce Harper. And perhaps by the end of the week, Bryce Harper will have a home, and it might be the Los Angeles Dodgers PJ. Tours. Florida's swing is coming up defending champ. Justin Thomas, some of the game's best take on PG, national the infamous bear trap the Honda. Classic begins. Thursday, seven AM eastern on PGA tour live in one PM eastern on golf channel say good morning to our TV partners direct TV, of course, the audience network. That's channel two thirty nine and for the next two days, the NBC sports network, and then our relationship with them will end we are going to team up with Turner, sports and. More specifically Bleacher report be our live. And we're going to start streaming the show. We'll let you know when that starts but excited about that partnership with Turner sports and Bleacher report got to play of the day. Another play the day coming up stat of the day and our poll question. Mclovin. Would you updated thought it was a really good one? I down who are we gonna talk about the most over the next six weeks Zayn willington Kyla Murray. Lebron James Tiger Woods as you said. Lebron is one. Yeah. It goes Cuyler and Zion are basically tied for two then Tiger Woods for what if I had Tiger Woods in contention at the masters. Well, I don't want. I don't want to you know, lead the jury here, you know, Twitter is saying everyone's saying we'll Tigers got to play more. He's never going to have a chance in the masters. I know that I'm getting can't say never, but it people are saying he'd better wrap it up in March or this whole Massar stories gonna fizzle, and I don't know how often he's playing prior to Augusta. I'm not sure what his schedule is. But. He just played last weekend didn't play that. Well. So I I don't know. It's can you string together four great rounds. And I don't know if he can but he can be in contention. But I don't know if he can he can win, and you know at Augusta. It's weird. How Guston has now become a left handers golf course that you get this feeling like, you know, fill in Bubba. You know, being a left-hander is an advantage at Augusta. Was it always an advantage for left-handers? We didn't have many great left handed golfers. So. No, no. Can you think of other great left handed golfers down through history besides fill and Bubba? Kind of like that NFL story that they're left handed quarterbacks anymore that that hasn't been one in years. Yeah. Pulling was the story about Mickelson. I remember the rumor was or the story was that he learned golf from his father in Mered him. And he's not a left hand Garson. Is that correct? I believe so so he does everything right handed to leave. So, but he was trained hand. Yeah. Interesting. All right. So we have no home for Bryce Harper Cuyler Murray. And the measurements is going to be interesting. There's there's already some stuff coming out from the combine. Pat Shurmur the giants head coach, quote fully expect ally. Manning to be back in twenty nineteen that doesn't mean you still don't draft a quarterback. Because if you're going to bring ally back do you bring Dwayne Haskins in is he ready to start right now? This is another tweet Mike may on the new general manager of the raiders, I think Derek cars a franchise quarterback. I truly believe that he added that it is still his responsibility to add competition at every position. In other words, don't be surprised if we take a quarterback, even though we have our franchise quarterback in Derek Carr. Yes. Paul the when Pat Shurmur says, I fully expected me back that makes me think he's absolutely going to be going when you hear the fully expect. If like, I have no plans to and when what's what's his Gruden says he's a franchise quarterback. That means a franchise quarterback is available for trae. Yeah. I mean, he could be your franchise quarterback. He's not our franchise quarterback. I yeah. Not our but franchise quarterback. I E mail address DP, Dan, Patrick dot com. Twitter handle with DP show and our phone number eight seven. Seven three DP show will. Oh, by the way, coming up tonight on undeniable. My guest is Carl Lewis, and you know, what I love about this opportunity on the audience channel two thirty nine is I get a long period of time about two hours sitting down with these guests. I hope you've got a chance to see Freddie, Roach the boxing promoter. There was so much that didn't even make it. He was that entertaining and the audience loved him Carl Lewis. You know, one of the greatest sprinters most decorated track athletes of all time in a couple of topics that will stand out, and I want to bring them to your attention. I go back to win. Ben Johnson from Canada surprised everybody in one Olympic gold in Seoul, South Korea. Well, Karl finished runner up. But Carl knew that Ben was cheating. Couldn't prove it Ben test positive and Carl wins the gold medal. But I asked Carl when do you know when you have this drop in time, Mike somebody's doing something that they shouldn't be doing because it takes a long long time to drop even a tenth of a second. When you're a sprinter and here's Carl Lewis from tonight's undeniable. Ben Johnson Eighty-six then right away because the word on the street per se was that his coach gave it to people. And then all of a sudden he pops kind of out of nowhere starts running really fast as a sprinter. When do you know like how much do you drop in time it before you guys notice? Yeah. That's good question. If if you're young you can do it up until you're twenty twenty one because you could grow and all think things once you're you're twenties. It it goes small increments. Just to give you an example when I was nineteen or twenty I ran like nine nine seven, and then I ended up running nine eight six at thirty. So took me ten years to get one tenth of a second. So you have someone who was running ten to and then two years later, they're running nine nine it just doesn't make sense when you're twenty five years old. So that's what we know. Isn't that interesting because you know, we look at somebody improving and you go oh my gosh. Look at what they're running now, but the sprinters in their world, they're like, none a- that doesn't happen. And that led to the topic of you sane bolt. And what Karl thinks of you sane bolt. Two thousand eight you're quoted as questioning you sane bolts times once again going back to what we talked about. When you have that precipitous drop, then great runners, great sprinters, take notice. What was it about bolt that made you take notice that maybe this wasn't on the up and up? My thing was I didn't accuse anyone of anything. But what I said is that we have to question if someone drops that fast like that. If you don't then you're crazier fool or something. Whatever I said. So of course, it becomes personal. But my issue is with drugs has always been the brand, you know, being a sport that people think are on drugs. It's it's bad for the brand. And we I didn't trust it. And so I put it out there. And you know, what I have people asked me. What are you saying? I said already said what I said. So there's nothing to change. And I stand by it. It's not personal. But you still question bolts times. So you have course, I question that it said if it's mean, I'm saying he's on it. But we should question it when. When I jumped ran nine eight six there's a question anyone that does that kind of drought. So and I didn't say anywhere. Oh, yeah. He's on it. I said we should question it because if you don't then that it's ridiculous. That's it. And I stand by that. Absolutely. Right. That's Carl Lewis I sit down with Carl tonight on the show undeniable on the audience channel that's to nine directtv. As far as like, how far do you go to question? Somebody's times. It should should everybody question everybody when it comes to track and field, and I know that you saying Bolden Carl Lewis, they they're not friends. They don't see eye to eye here. And you could see why. Because Carlos singlets question you saying bolt? I think we have question you saying bolt Carl also said something about a sprinter that he knows exactly how many steps it will take for him to win forty four steps. He knows exactly whereas feed are and he said if I know with those forty four steps my feet are in the right? Vision. I will win. We were trying to find out how many steps you sane or strides that you sane bolt has and he's a taller sprinter than Carl Lewis. Yes. Boeing there's a couple of articles I've found with study you sane bolt. And a lot of them think that you sane bolts speed is based on his stride as much as actual revolutions of how he's moving his legs. So he's taking forty four steps and Carl Lewis has taken forty four steps, and you sane bolts stride is two inches longer. You times that by forty four steps that's eight inches. That's two and a half yards. So that means the same amount of steps would put you two and a half yards ahead of the competitor behind you. Which is where you saying bolt usually finishes about two yards ahead of the competitors. And he uses forty one steps that is a couple people say they depending on the race. It's forty two forty one. Okay. Him because Caro's forty four. Yeah. And that was in a different generation Carl's six foot six one you same bowl six five. So they say his stress stride. If you estimate it. Gives him the advantage. Not just the speed of his stride. Yeah. What I loved about this interview tonight with Carlos is just getting inside the head of one of the fastest people in the world in your prepar? He said most racist are one prior to the race. He said, it's competent. He said I wanted to show an arrogance of I wanted to show competence. And then I wanted you to go and he said probably ninety percent of the races are one before the race. So really fascinating a fascinating personality and Carl Lewis, so that's coming up tonight. Couple of phone calls here. People hot on the Laker topics. Jeff in Idaho. Hi, Jeff would have for me today. Morning, Dan mode. I've eight one eight five doubt. Longtime listener suck it back row. So I was thinking what if the Lakers went on win. But hook LeBrun traded him for the first round pick for Zion. That's not gonna happen. I think salaries would have to match up there as well. But thank you, Jeff. I just threw out if you traded LeBron to New Orleans to get Anthony Davis. It would help the team better in the long run not going to happen. And you know, I'd never bet against LeBron James because we have written those columns we have had those soliloquies where we talk about this. Is it oh struggling in Miami struggle struggling going back to the camp? So I'm not gonna win again. I wouldn't bet against him. But my problem with the Lakers right now is they preached patience. And they're not practicing what they were preaching because now you start to get a little nervous here because maybe you don't make the plants if LeBron was healthy the entire season they make the playoffs. I would still preach patients, and I would I would try to have some kind of unity there because let's say you don't make the trade France. Davis. Is there a chance that these players who were going to be traded are going to be your teammates next year? And the answer is. Yes. Because who else are you trading them for to get if you don't get Anthony Davis, Ed in Wisconsin. Hi, ed. Would you have for me today? How are you? Five six to fifty which means I'm short and fat. I my question is at what point does Magic Johnson have to worry about his damage control. Whether you know, how how bad he just makes him look. Well, I think this is more the onus is on the bron- right now. Thanks for the phone call, and you know, magic gets another offseason here. But magic brought in LeBron and magic did say I'm on the clock. You know, if I can't turn this around in. It's on me. But I think there's more pressure on the Braun and his camp because they wanted this there orchestrating this. They're controlling this. And I just get the feeling if you bring in your coach in you relieve Luke Walton of his duties, and if you're going to trade any of these players, then there's even more pressure on the Broncos and there's pressure on the Brandi bring in another free agent. Because that's how this was sold to the Lakers. We get LeBron. And it's like if you build it. They will come. Well, don't be so sure about that. Jeffrey in Florida. I jeff. I I'm a lifelong Laker fan. And this whole LeBron's thing is just really getting to me. And and my question is. Do you think of genie both have a jewelry that she would go stronger Jerry West as a general manager? Oh, I don't know. I think it is much as Jerry wanted to go back to the Lakers. It felt like the Lakers had moved on with that. So is as much as I love, Jerry, western respect him. I it felt like they both sides had moved on because Jerry went to Golden State. And then I think wanted to go back to the Lakers didn't get that opportunity then went to the clippers there. So I mean, that's like saying, you know, should they have gone after Phil Jackson to bring him back in a LeBron is going to bring in his coach. He's done this try to do that in Miami with air expulsed her. But Pat Riley stood up rare expulsed her rightfully so we saw that in Cleveland where that wasn't the case LeBron was able to make that change and Luke Walton is not LeBron's coach. But there is a Chen think about it who else are you trading. These players four in the off season. Who's the big ticket item that you can trade for? Because we were under the impression won't collide gonna wanna go there. Paul George is going to want to go there. I think if Colli goes to Los Angeles, he goes to the clippers Paul George is an MVP candidate in Oklahoma City. I don't see him wanting to relocate Anthony Davis as much as he'd love to you know, a couple of things Draymond green reportedly is signing with LeBron's management team. What about Ben Simmons? Could Ben Simmons and up in a Laker uniform at one point I know you just throw these things out because there is movement that will happen in the off season. I believe and watching the Celtics last night. They don't like each other. They don't. We it's not now that's a lot of bad that wasn't a pretty sight last. I guess it'd be fun. If the Lakers kept collecting sort of ball dominant guard type can't shoot they have Rondo let's get Simmons and their launch. So ron. That'd be awesome. Heiser Soza two tweets, I feel like the younger players on the Lakers are the ones that look bad. Just stop wining step. You're damn game up. Then you won't become trade bait why they wanna trade me. So I'm going to out like a baby and just watch. Lebron? I don't get the feeling the younger players are pouting. Who's pouting? Apparently, LeBron is everything is his fault with this team. He hated greatest player of all time. And couldn't be a worse deeming. If Michael Jordan did the stuff that LeBron was doing right now, he would be a leader. Well, no, it didn't come out that Michael was doing this because Mike would he punched Steve Kerr? I mean, he he'd be rated his teammates. He gave them the look that he never made fun of his Laker teammates. He did not publicly ever whatever. But there was no social media. Michael Jordan has never made fun. Of course, he would never make fun of Luc Longley. John, Michael, Jordan, never tried to trade. Brandon ingram. No. He did not. I checked. I looked it up. He did. Michael Jordan would have made Lonzo ball another Steph curry, Michael Jordan wouldn't measure at five ten at the combine never. Here's another size. Never in question. Here's another criticism than I had to laugh him. You know, I don't know of Zion waves since going to be a good pro because I don't think he can play defense. And and I don't know if he's a good shooter. So so we've already started where I tell you what they don't do. That's a really really bad mistake. Because I want to know what you do. Well, tell me what you do. Well, and I think I think Zion. Williamson does some things really well. If we use this logic. So you don't draft Steph curry because he can't guard anybody he's too small. He's not gonna stand up to that the rigors of an NBA schedule. Okay. You made a big mistake there. Steve Nash, he can't guard anybody not physical. He can't stand up to. So you talk yourself out of this. Because you look at the negatives. Instead of what do they do what makes them so unique because somebody has to guard them we never factor that in. So I guess I I don't know if he can shoot he can shoot better than Lonzo ball can. He's got a great feel. He's got a great touch. Great footwork. He he plays with youthful enthusiasm. He's not selfish, and he can take to the hoop. They not afraid like, okay? I think R J Barrett might be a better pro all around pro, you know, his game. I it feels like is better than zion's right now. But he's only eighteen what's he going to be like with good coaching. You know on a consistent basis in the NBA not that he hasn't had good coaching here. But you know, let me see when he's twenty two. What is he look like what does he do? That size. That speed is going to add more muscle. Is it going to be a liability? But I I would look at the positive. So I on Williamson not you know, what who's he gonna guard who's guarding him? All right. We'll check in on the dodgers. Are they going to get rice Harper by the end of the week? Is there a mystery team involved in this? We'll have an update more of your phone calls as well. Eight seven seven three DP show twenty one after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick show. If you're like most of us, you're tired of paying for overpriced razors. They come with all these fancy gimmicks and tactics like vibrating heads and flex balls and handles that look like spaceships, and those are just branding tactics to help those companies raise the prices and they've been doing it for decades. But the founders of Harry's they were tired of paying up for razors that were overpriced and over design, and they fixed that by combining a simple clean design with quality durable blades at a fair price. Harry's bought a world class blade factory in Germany, and it's been making quality blades for over ninety five years. 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Phone offer requires port into number currently active on T mobile network are active on metro and past ninety days. See store for details and terms and conditions. I was just telling the Danette my son is one of those geographical snobs. So when he goes to European traveled a lot, and so he came back from Barcelona, and we were saying all, you know, where did you favorite stops? And he goes, well, one of my favorite places was Barth Alona. And I go what he goes Barth Alona, and I go, no if not. And then he he came back from another trip, and he he went to Budapest. No, no, no, no, no. We're not doing this over there. That's how they pronounce it. Pash past. Yeah. Budapest. What do you want on your pasta a little pesto? No. Well, I do have that in the family tree when we started talking talion food, and then they it's mood side. I thought it was mozzarell-. When I go. No, no. We don't do that. That's how they pronounce it. Scone? Jeez. So if you're in Italy, you're speaking as you normally speak, and then you guys like when you're in America, you gotta remember. Is that how they pronounce? Yeah. They have to do it. Like an American would say hamburger hamburger hotdog. Maybe. Barth alona. It is pronounced Montereau. See John wrote. See he's the baseball insider, MLB dot com columnist. Good morning, John. How are you? Yeah. Let's do the whole interview in Italian John. Okay. All right. Help me in any language Bryce Harper is going to be paid a lot of money here. But are are the dodgers now the front runner? That's a great question, Dan. And I believe if the answer is not yes- yet, it is inching in that direction. I'm a believer that if Harper truly wanted to sign with the Phillies he would have done so by now, and that's been set. And I think it's very very true. The dodgers one of the big things that's happened in baseball this week. Dan is the fact that no one are not a who was high on the dodgers list for next off season has signed a mega dollar extension to stay in Colorado. So now the dodgers cannot chase are not or next winter. Perhaps there's a bit more money in the budget for this winter, which is now, of course, become this spring and Harper becoming more and more plausible. I think for them. And I was told Dan yesterday that if the dodgers just get close. Now, we think the Phillies I don't know this confirmed, but I think they're probably somewhere in that range of ten years and three hundred million dollars. Plus if the dodgers get close and again, close what's fifty million or so on. Friends here. But if they get close, I think the chances are pretty good that Harper would sign with the dodgers. Even if they are not the biggest offer. What can you do something that seems a little more financially? Plausible or smart or there's some fiscal sanity involved in this like a five or six year deal where Harper gets more money per season. Therefore, Scott Boris his agent can hold his head high and say see what I do for my my clients. Exactly. And I think that there's been this back and forth about how how willing Harper is to take less money and fewer years to sign on the west coast, which we believe is his preference. I think if you go thirty five million dollars a year. And again, I'm I'm not I'm not I'm spending somebody else's money here. But if I look at it this way, thirty five million dollars a year times five years time six years, then at least Scott Boras can come back and say, I got my client the biggest per year deal in baseball history right now the per year records about thirty four million dollars signed by that Grinky with the Diamondbacks. And if you get to thirty five then you said, a new standard, maybe you get an opt out early in the deal. So that way Scott can say, hey, I've got my guys got the best for your deal ever in baseball history. He also has the early opt out to test the market again, if he wants to and he goes to the team that I believe right Now, Dan that he wants to go to enforce from Las Vegas. So LA is something of a hometown team close in as close as you could probably get. Being from Las Vegas. He would have spring training and Zona again, close to his home in Vegas and a bit to the earlier discussion this hour, Dan, he is the Lakers fan. Now. I'm not I'm not gonna say that your favorite basketball team is going to guide where you're gonna sign baseball for the next five ten years of your life. But he is used to LA sports scene is that has been his team since childhood. And while I don't think that's the number one factor by any stretch of the vaccination. It's probably somewhere on the list from the standpoint of being very very comfortable with the sports culture. Magic Johnson in his role with the dodgers just say LeBron. Hey, would you place a call to Bryce Harper? It's a great question. I I would expect that they've already thought of that. Now, I don't have confirmed that it's happened. But wouldn't that be a nice bit of recruiting? Lebron? Very much used to what is life to be a nationally courted free agent. I would actually think if the Lakers if the Lakers the dodgers wanna bring into LeBron is the closer here. I think that's actually probably one of the best ideas. I have heard in this somewhat entering in really unprecedented off season scheduler for MLB. If you could have Aaron judge for the next six years for Bryce Harper for the next six years. Same price go with. It's a great question that they're basically the same age, which tells you about the the different scale you've got with with coming out of high school player it actually even earlier than that for Bryce because he went to that seventeen year old draft here for him very unique schedule for him. I would say I would go with judge. I just think that the powers that be more consistent right now. But there's a lot to be said for Harper to Harper both Harper and judge tremendous from marketability standpoint, that's a great question. I would give the slight edge to judge. But it is very very close. Bets in there. I'm a huge Mukhi bets fan. I voted for him for the MVP this past year. I think all best all around players in the game. I think Mukhi for what he does on the basis and defensively I would put Mukhi bets ahead of both Harper and judge in terms of on the field and movies is a phenomenal story off the field as well. Just does all the right things in the community. I think Mukhi bets I would say right now, I would take Mukhi bets over either judge or Harper Mookie or Mike trout. I still think that overall the best player in the game is Trump. And so I think right now I'd have to give the trout his his numbers are so historically great over time that I think he gets the nod. I think we all wanna see trout have success in play in the playoffs. He has played three playoff games in his entire career. And he is still looking for his first playoff win. And when you look at what may Derek jeeter an icon in the previous generation among many things, it was any played for the keys, and that he was on our television sets every October winning and trout has not done. That yet Mookie Betts has done. This now is won the MVP and he's won the World Series. So I think that I I would still say trout deserves that status as the best all around player in the game. But Mukhi is right there. And I voted for Mookie as my MVP last year because I believe he made the biggest impact for that team for the Boston Red Sox. And I think what Mookie does on the field off the field too. What he did during the World Series last year bringing food to the homeless during the course of the World Series after a game after a World Series game. He just had such great presence of mind for what he means to the sport to our country. I think Mukhi bets is a phenomenal person for our entire sports landscape here in the states right now, I still can't help in one of my guys. One of the dannettes, mclovin is a Phillies fan, and I kept saying to you know, I'm not hearing that Bryce Harper likes Philadelphia. He loves Philadelphia's offer he just doesn't wanna play in. Philadelphia is is that you know, Scott Boris is trying to drum up any interest. He can is that what happened here that the Phillies gave them an offer that they're having a hard time refusing. Well, it's a great point. And I do think, and I'm re in boys operas, not told me this directly. But if you look at the landscape in the way, the off season is played out. I agree with that line of thinking. And he, and I'm I wanna be careful there in it make this point. I think part of the reason has nothing to do with the Phillies themselves or even the city. But let's think about this this let's take a step back. If he signs with the Phillies any plays in the National League east for different team every time he goes to DC, he'll probably be booed. He'll be booted in Atlanta. Which is always booed him. He'll be boot in New York, which is always booed him. And if he struggles in Philly he'll be booted. Booze. That's a lot of boost for your life. Dan for the entire season for the next ten years. You want to sign it to me. Booed at minimum. You're gonna get booed on the road. No matter what. And you might get mood at home. If things don't go the right way. Whereas if you go and play an LA or even San Francisco, which is courted him, it's a different coast, different division, closer to home sprint trading, closer to home. And if you go back to DC, I believe he'll be received fundamentally differently, Dan if you goes to DC wearing a giants uniform or dodgers uniform as compared to their nearest individual geographic rival right to the north. That would be a it'd be difficult for him. I think still be viewed in the same favorable light by DC sports fans. If he's got the Phillies jersey on that if he's wearing the dodgers uniform or the giants you're making almost forty million a year. Boo Hoo is what I would say. Jon enjoys spring training. Great to read your stuff and thanks for joining us again. Gentlemen. Thanks for indulging. My my brief Italian. I didn't trust my talion enough to carry the rest of the segment, but thanks for indulging that little bit. John Morrissey of the major league baseball network, one of their insiders MLB network is airing at least one live spring training game every day the March twenty six including today's game is the Marlins at the Mets plenty tickets still able at one eastern and so interesting situation there with Bryce Harper you get that offer. And this has happened to me before when I left the mothership, and I had opportunities. And then all of a sudden somebody gives you a better offer. And you go on again, I didn't think about actually working there. I just wanted to get another offer. And I think that's what hap- is happening with Bryce Harper. It's all right. That's nice the Phillies offered that. Now who else is going to Canadian my favorite teams match that exceed that where are the cubs. The dodgers even the giants. Yeah. Pulling it's interesting that the Nelson Aaron auto. Signing by the Rockies did get very much attention the last four seasons. Bryce, Harper's hitting Eighty-three Aaron auto to ninety seven home runs. Harper one twenty nine aired out a one fifty eight and so on and so on his stats or quite a bit better over the past four years. He's played a lot more healthy baseball. If you know what? I mean to know. He's a great player. He's a great third baseman two way player. He is he has the longest streaker. I think he's tied for the longest streak in baseball history with at least thirty five homers and thirty five doubles in each of the last four years the longest such streak in baseball history. Only Albert bell match that I think I called him Nelson. Aeronautical sorry Nolan. It isn't that to maybe as a brother Nelson. Ooh, we could get him but Nolan Aaron auto is a great put that was a great signing for the Rockies because I thought he was going to end up AB with the dodgers. Now, they paid two hundred plus million for Nelson Aaron out of it. Now. Because he's a light hitting actually the way that you. It's not it's in the proper language. It's a Nelson that sounds just like Nolan. Like month Alona Barth Alona. If you missed any of our interviews this week from the Mercedes, AM G man cave. Just go to the Dan Patrick show app. You can watch and listen from inside the Mercedes AM G man Capers eighties AMD driving performance. More phone calls coming up coach K talks about Zion. Williamson we'll have this day in sports history. Right after this. If you could live your most prosperous life. What would it look like would you maybe open your own business or buy new home? Go back to college, maybe pay off your loans and save for retirement. I know I'm man I could be three out of those four easy. But whatever your vision is into it can help you get closer to that future with financial tools that will help you. Save time and money easy to use software like QuickBooks. Turbo tax and make invoices. 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Hey, Andrew, you're my favorite Danette by five one twenty three. Yeah. Ding, and then. She brings the hammer. This is about my husband. She mentioned her husband. What is she wants you to do for her? And her husband. You're not gonna believe this because we only got this request about twenty times a day. Is there any extra memorabilia there that you can I guess give to us? Well, how about I send a sweatshirt DP show sweatshirt? I don't I don't give away the memorabilia. Okay. This is his name. He said we're going to send him. So let's just Dan, Dan. Okay. Yeah. Just is very interesting. Okay. Dan. They seem really nice, okay. Dan his birthday is June nineteenth. And he wants to shout out on the show. So I think he's already gotten it in which is last name. His last name is Flautre spelled F A F L A UCA TR, and she writes flou- rhymes with couch in parentheses, the flou- chair flout flouted Nater. Now, here's thing. It's on a Wednesday, not a meet Friday. So is that possible in its in June June? Oh, we will. We'll forgotten by then how about we tape. It right now. Yeah. Let's all right. Hey, okay. Here we go. Hey, Dan in New Hampshire. Just want to say happy birthday on this Wednesday from all of us here at the Dan Patrick show. Lothair? Archer? This is an interesting tidbit. Their first date was at the bar. That is currently underneath us there from Connecticut. So the seven seas restaurant with their first date the Flautre. Wow, Flach really knows how to treat a lady I pick. You got her lobster roll double barrel. Double guns on it flouts lives. Yeah. Fritzy's renamed Fletch. Out your first. Yeah. Flou-? Usually my shield these letters. Oh, I know most of them have prison return. I know I always read fan mail from the bottom up. Because you know, if they say, you know, I hate you. And hope you die. You know? Then there's no reason to read the rest of it could start. Well. It doesn't matter. It's the ending. I. I gotta meet Friday song for please die initially. So. Got a great fake laugh rotten help. Zero to sixty. What do you have for this day in sports history? A bunch of good ones. Listen to this nine hundred twelve the New York Yankees announced they would wearing pinstripes on their uniforms. Then if that didn't happen. Yeah. Got there on nine thousand six hundred eighty Mickey Mantle sign a contract worth one hundred thousand dollars for the nineteen eighty-seven is a great one the SMU Mustangs at southern Methodist university the NSA cancelled the entire eighty-seven football season, debtor gross violations of NCAA rules athletic corruption. That was Eric Dickerson. Craig james. Yeah. I should assume you they didn't get caught up as much as some of the other players like some of the second tier players caused the scandal. It was really bad when people thought or department we're mailing money to people in envelopes with the return address the athletic department on it watch thirty thirty great plate the ninety six bowls one fifty of fifty six games to set an NBA record and two thousand three Emmett Smith became a free agent for the first time with the Dallas Cowboys when they released him is that when he went to AirAsia. Yep. Yeah. This day in sports history. Brought to you by cutting it'll tire they've designed tires to get you to the sporting event of your choice. They're ward winning EKO plus technology in the cross contract. LX? Twenty will gain you miles and save you money while providing the wet breaking grip in all season traction you need for any sport season. For more information. Visit continentaltire dot com. Coach K last night without Zion. Williamson losing at Virginia Tech. I do believe that's three years in a row. Virginia Tech is defeated Duke. And he had this to say about playing without Zion. Get back and. Get get refreshed. This that six game stretch was going to be tough. No matter what. Especially with four the game span Saturday, Tuesday away games, it just an unusual thing. But when you lose I and right in the middle. Then it s Kuwait's so overall, you know, my team son of an outstanding job, and we just will move forward now. Yeah. I is it wake Clemson North Carolina. Mclovin or fritzy thirty Saturday. The ninth is the the North Carolina game at Chapel Hill week from Saturday. Okay. I also saw I'm seeing a little bit more of this with Cuyler Murray the role that is dad is going to play. We were around him at the Super Bowl. And it didn't feel like he was the one that was in charge. You know, when his son stopped by you know, he was he was leading the band. But I I don't know if how involve is he one of those helicopter, parents, you know, just sort of hovering. And what does that mean for an NFL team? I think it would matter more in high school and college not necessarily the NFL. Yeah. Paulie? Remember went to commercial break on the show. And we were discussing for the break would Kyle throw to mclovin, and we're kind of as a producer. I'm going over to Kyle saying, hey, could you what he was what am I doing here? My throwing. And and I said, yeah, go we've had quarterbacks in all week. Can you sling a few hard at this guy? And he kind of looks over to his dad dad's standing over everyone on his tiptoes, and he's just kind of gave like all right? It's okay here. But everything kind of went through him if we felt in the moment to and not in a negative way. Maybe he's a really smart guy. Who knows what to do? So it's not necessarily negative thing. I did go over his dad. Over to his dad, and I introduced myself, and he goes, I hear your tough. And I'm like, oh, so I said, nah, just ask the right questions. I didn't matter. What questions I ask because his son was an answering those? But yeah, that that seemed to be so there it it's this is Kylie Murray's Zion. Williamson now of the combine it's hands too small. He's too short. His dad is too involved. Just feels like there's a whole now as you're gonna throw is he gonna run? I also saw this strong column in the Detroit Free Press, and it had to do with Robert Kraft. A million bucks is a seat. Cushion money is C cushion money to a billionaire. So he this columnists Carlos on narrows says that the patriots should be doctored draft pick. That's how you punish him. Find him a million dollars suspending for the entire season. And when you think of all the drama, the patriots have had like, we we look at you know, there's pockets here where all Green Bay Packers. Teammates ex teammates saying things behind Aaron Rodgers back. The Steelers all their drama with Antonio bell and Latvian or lady on bail and Antonio Brown and Ben Ross where nobody compares to the patriots. They're they're so far ahead of every franchise in drama, but they win. So the degree of difficulty is ratcheted up so high that okay, your tight end accused of just signed a new contract accused of killing at least two men and then kills himself in prison. Quarterback Mary's maybe the most famous woman in the world. There's deflate gate their spy gate, and now you're owner gets busted in a massage parlor next I play makers like you can't make this up. And I remember when the NFL was upset at ESPN when we put out playmakers that didn't think it was accurate portrayal of the NFL. We found out it was less than what it should have been lot. That would never happen in the NFL. Yeah. Coming up. We talk about baseball and football cards. 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WKPWP - Keller interviews John Arezzi about early '90s radio hosting and fan convention promoting, Vince Russo, early ECW (6-11-14)

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

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WKPWP - Keller interviews John Arezzi about early '90s radio hosting and fan convention promoting, Vince Russo, early ECW (6-11-14)

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Radio show based out of New York, starting in the late eighties and running into the mid ninety s and also he ran some wrestling conventions in the New York area with big names that really was a precursor to what would become other wrestling, and conventions. And in most recently, what Conrad Thompson has taken to the next level with the star cast event star cast wanted star cast to five years ago. I interviewed Jonah Razzies talking about his time in professional wrestling in wearing many hats, including as a wrestler, by the way, and a newsletter publisher and bringing Vince Russo into professional wrestling. He is responsible for that in and he accepts that. Responsibility and talks about that back story and he talks about why he decided to get out of professional wrestling when he did. And some of the ups and downs of how to make what he was doing workout financially as he tried his hand and different areas of professional wrestling. So it's a fascinating history lesson on, on the history of wrestling, conventions wrestling media in the radio side of things which has evolved into the podcast world. Of course now in other things, and John is planning to get back into wrestling now five years later with a wrestling membership site. That's going to take great advantage of the content that he hasn't. Nobody else has from his years as a photographer and filming some vintage wrestling matches. And yes. Doing hundreds of radio shows, in fact on, on Twitter, he just posted some pictures from his archive, some just amazing photos of Bruno Sammartino bruiser Brody with a grand wizard superstar Billy Graham. Greg Valentine and more, you can find him on Twitter at Jonah. Reggie, he's launched his, oppressing spotlight, then in L podcast, but you can seek out wherever you listen to podcasts. And check out some really cool interviews that he has in his in his archives, and his new content introduction. So check it out. Just follow John on Twitter at John Razzie, and Google him to find out the latest on his project. So, so now, let's go ahead with the interview from five years ago this week with Jonah Razzie. It includes live, callers, and Email questions, and you can learn more about John and then maybe seek out more information on what he's up to these days. Welcome to the p w torch live cast. I am Wade Keller editor and publisher of the pro wrestling torch newsletter since nineteen eighty seven with thirteen hundred and fifty nine issues every week and counting, and also editor of PW, torch dot com and MMA torch dot com. A big m fights coming up. So keep us in mind if you're yo- see fan and a fan and also the MA torch NPWS torch apps on iphone and Android. And also host of the p w torch live cast. We are here Monday through Friday, and sometimes Sundays, after major paper views. And because we're on after major pay per view is, we will not be on this Sunday after TNA's Sunday paper view, sorry, Tina fence. But it's more of a scheduling thing than a dig at TNA, but it was too fun to pass up and tomorrow. I'm sorry starting next week. I should say the Wednesday live cast may move to a start time of an hour later. So it'll be a little less. Imple- timeframe wise, but it might work better for somebody to be able to call in live. We'll have confirmation on that later in the week, but Pat McNeil's Wednesday's show, and he normally hosts on Wednesdays will be moving most likely to a one hour later starting time. So I'm going to get that out of the way quickly. So keep that in mind if you're confused, next Wednesday, and we're not on tune in and our later pad will be hosting this Friday and his guests are Christopher Daniels, and kazarian. So that'll be great show. Friday, they're both great great desk. Daniels have been on the show before. And we're glad to have them back on. So tune in Friday for a special interview Friday, hosted by Pat McNeil. And of course, tomorrow, James Caldwell will be hosting the show. I believe with Greg parks. But sometimes it's with Sean Radin his co hosts rotate, you know, be talking about all the news in wrestling. Today's guest here on a special interview Wednesday is Jonah resume of the pro wrestling spotlight radio show that ran for over five years late eighties through the mid nineties, and we'll get to him and just a moment. But I, I need to remind everybody that the POW torch live cast is brought to you by audible. A leading provider of spoken audio information, and entertainment. Listen to audiobooks whenever and wherever you want, get a free book, when you sign up for a free trial at audible, trial dot com slash pro wrestling torch over one hundred fifty thousand titles to choose from, and they are now integrating audible with the kindle app. So now you can choose between audio versions of your favorite books and e books text versions of your favorite books on a device win where you use kindle. So the both are Amazon products. Audible is and kindle. And so if you're an Amazon book, reader, maybe it's time to dive into audiobooks again, audible, trial dot com slash pro. Wrestling torch is where you go to claim your completely free audiobook. John, welcome to the show again. Hey, hey, John Wade doing great. I'm so glad you're able to join us again, today, you by way of biography and you were a lot more in wrestling than the host approaching spotlight radio show that is how I know you best you are on the show before and gave a little bit of a mini background on how far back you go and wrestling, and your involvement in wrestling. But why don't you do that one more time because it might help bring some people who are listening to us to call on a variety of subjects. They might not otherwise calling about. Because you go dare I say way back. Yeah. I'm fifty seven years old now. So I go way back started started watching wrestling basically, in the very first Bruno San Martino era around nineteen sixty six actually, and so I would wrestling as a little boy and just enjoyed it and started a fan club for wrestler, Freddie, blassie back in nineteen seventy two and did that. About three years. And also at the same time got into the business by becoming a freelance, photographer and writer for rang wrestling magazine did some freelance a lot of freelance photography for Bill apter. I really took photos for mostly all of the magazines back in the seventies and went to college. In seventy seventy five and started a pro wrestling radio show on the college station and got into a little bit deeper and then and then actually went into the ring in nineteen seventy eight for a few very, very bad wrestling matches with in the in the W W W F at the time. So jobbed out, two guys like chief Jay strongbow and dusty Rhodes and pita my via and, and then I kind of. Out of it to in the in the eighties. I was working in sports at the New York Mets, and then entered the music business and artists management, managing an artist them Patty loveless of back in the early eighties and manage fans and the entire decade. And then I music business one belly up at the end of the nineteen eighty nine and I went back into the pro wrestling business this time fulltime until nineteen ninety six. So I started the pro wrestling spotlight initially in college and seventy five and then I took it commercially to, to broadcast in nineteen eighty nine started a series of at the time, which were really the first pro wrestling fan, conventions did the very first one in nineteen ninety and continued that tradition for about four years four or five years. With the weaken, the champions. Let's see what else did I do, but got involved with Ron scholar, who was one of my listeners, and then we partnered and brought AAA who truly breaks to the United States. And then another one of actually an advertiser mine was a gentleman by name Vince Russo who had ever a will get bent. We'll video in Corum, Long Island. And one of my listeners said that the guy was a pro wrestling fan, and he wanted to book, some pro wrestlers. There's video store and that's why I met, Mr. Roussell and got him got him honky tonk man and a few others to sign autographs, and then he wanted to partner with me and bring the radio show to New York City and expand it and do newsletter. And that was right around the time of all the scandals breaking. So I got involved with Vince Russo and brought him into the business of the partner, and that lasted all of three months and it was a synergy that was was almost diabolical. They look at it today and brought to do it in and we parted ways, and I stayed in a business and other couple years, and then bowed out. I can't even say gracefully. It was. Almost like I just disappeared from it because I was so sick and by everything that happened to me in the wrestling business, I got out and enjoyed my life ever ever since. Burgers on the copy table. 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Price and coverage match limited by state law. What are you down? I am in the music business. I, I actually have been in promotion, marketing sales had done done marketing and promotional work for TV network. Great American country, beginning in two thousand to two thousand ten and then I entered back into the world of artists management with a country singer by the move soured darling, who I am our day to day personal manager now and I and I have a few other clients, but sours the, the most prominent in the country music industry right now. Very, very good. Well, long career I'm an old guy. Yeah. But wow. You've I mean that's the number of things you did in wrestling is just rivals anybody. I know. I mean it's just it's, it's awesome. The number of experiences you had do you have a favorite era of your involvement in wrestling? Is there was that the innocence of, of being a fan was running a fan club was doing the radio show with something else you've done so much? What was your favorite era, and why I really enjoyed I really enjoyed the very beginnings? I mean enjoyed a lot of it, until it really got ugly when the scandal came into play and, and then having to, you know, navigate through relationships with people who are, you know, not the most honorable. And then the Vince Russo thing just just kind of told my heart out, but my favorite was, was really getting the pro wrestler spotlight started on commercial radio back in eighty nine. And being able for the first time I know Richmond. So at WFAN used to do a three AM segments weekly on the on the Jody McDonald, show and known logging. Knowing for predicting or reporting, that sting would be showing up in the WB off soon. That's what he was best known for. Yeah. Yeah. That was actually every week actually Colin's thing is gone, and he's still going. Thirty years later, but, but being able to actually for the first time have the fans be able to get in the inside of the business. I mean, of course, the newsletters were that like observer and, and you're a newsletter. And Steve, Beverly had one at the time and but the angle to, to bring the guys on Atta character sometimes in character. That was the that was the hardest thing navigate is like, all right. So who's going to be intact, there on the show and who's out of character because if they're in character you have to be get the case with them if they're out of character that you could really dive into it, you know? So I mean, the breakthrough was really when Ricky steamboat left the NWEA when he went on my show to talk about the contract. Negotiations with Jim heard that opened up the that open up the, the door wide open. And then we would get guests on almost. Every week he talked about the inside of the business and, and that was the most rewarding for me was to be able to get these guys out of character and, and talk to them about what was really going on. So I enjoyed that part of it. That's great. Well, John, I don't wanna keep some people on. Hold on hold too long. So why don't we go to phone calls? So I got a lot more questions for you to obviously VIP members moved to the front of the line with VIP express calls, and you can also send an Email questioned in right now, if you'd like to and that Email addresses PW torch life cast at dot com. So it's the name of the show, VW torch, live cast at gmaiLcom. That's how you always can send in a question when you know, we have a guest that he can't call in live. You cannot Email the question head of time. I also monitor that inbox during the show. John is familiar to VIP members because on a weekly basis, we put up one of his pro wrestling spotlight radio shows from the early nineties, and I just I Don I love listening to those shows because I didn't live in New York when you had the show. So the only time I heard it was when I was on it, and it is just I mean yeah, the content here is phenomenal. The one that we're gonna be putting up next week for VIP members is the, the interview that I think it was any Goldman did that you are the rights to run. With Eddie Guerrero, talking about the death of art bar. Such an emotional show. And, and then it also on that same episode. Paul Heyman is on talking. This is the stuff that I love about this is Paul Heyman's on. And you're like you said to Paul Heyman and this was the first show in nineteen ninety-five. And you said about, hey, hey, didn't Johnny polo show up at it wasn't a Johnny polo who was at your show last night? And, and Paul Teich. Oh, yeah. He's calling himself raven. Now he's got some Eddie Vedder obsession. He's interesting character. I just love it. I don't know. I think it's a little too into this Eddie Vedder thing. And this run stuff that, that stuff is really cool. And I started listening to the show. I haven't heard this show since they aired I mean I really. Yeah. Ever listened to them a lot. And what really got to me was okay. I know we'll get into this in a little bit. But the ultimate warrior interview than I did. Yes, wait for the life of me. I don't even remember. I didn't remember that. I remember it. And then when I heard it I was like, wow. I it actually. Yeah, I mean yeah this school. Just able to get him on and talk as freely as the did at the time. And it was like, wow, this is really cool. And unfortunately, obviously everything that's happened him. And, and we'll get into some of my dealings with him when I try to bring him on tour and, and the dynamic of the relationship, which, which really going back now and seeing his history, and there's untimely death, and everything that happened that kinda spoke volumes about the type of individual that he was, he was kind of a, he was kind of a Jekyll and Hyde. If you. Yeah. And I am definitely looking forward to talking to you about him 'cause your curious with him in that interview that we put up for members that you did right after he left the delivery. Yes, the first time what was very much fascinating so VIP members know John. Well, if you've been listening to his show, the last several months now on the VIP website, we have about three years worth more to go if we put them up once a week, so VIP members are going to get to know John well on those shows and just a. Real interesting time in wrestling during the scandals and it's funny 'cause funny is not the word but it was ninety five is when things really started to change for the better for wrestling, and the show that we've got ready ready to put up for P members this coming week is you kind of introducing nineteen ninety-five after taking two weeks off 'cause Christmas and New Year's fell on on your son on Sunday night that you're a couple of shows, you come back on. You're like, well, you know, we're entering nineteen ninety-five and you're kind of recapping stuff, and I'm like, if you only knew if we only knew at that time, what will be happening in the next year or two in wrestling would have been a lot more excited entering nineteen ninety-five. 'cause it's just the ninety one ninety five air. Run night are really be two to ninety four. It was just it was so negative horrible so many bad promoters, and bad decisions and WWF rut. So we cover the view you covered. And I did on my focus show a time when I was really important to have a hard journalism covering some serious issues and wrestling. But. And it was too bad. We went off the air before the crazy. Good time started with the Monday night, war, and c w I know I got I got out of it, really. When it started to get better. I. Yeah, yeah, it happened a lot of people in the stock market, saying the same thing. But that's a whole other subject right now. Napa auto parts. 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Restrictions apply. See store for details and terms and conditions. I want to go to VIP member, Brian color, America. Nine five to Brian, I call today. Let us know what city you're calling from today. Hi, I'm pulling from Minneapolis. Minnesota excellent Brian, what do you got for John Ramsey today? Just want to say that I'm a big fan of John's now because of the podcast being for the radio show being contacted. So I just want to say that it's often is something that was existing when I was just a little kid watching Monday night, raw and stuff. I wasn't aware of the bigger landscape of wrestling is now being heard by me, and my belt years and gives me a perspective, is I take in the network content that time. So very much doing the show. Well. Oh, you're welcome. And it's really, it's really kind of really cool for me to hear some of these old sales, and it was an interesting time. And the fact that the fans today and the fans of weight, and then towards VIP members and listen to this, whole content and, and hear the things that went on back in back in the nineties. It's really, it's really cool for everybody to have that experience. You know, it was a no brainer for me to give away to tapes. It's like wow. These place this, this needs ahead this vicinity and one way to proceed with it. It was like you know what? Absolutely take him, Brian go. Go ahead with anything else, you want to say, I just want to say I think it's awesome. That also Jonah Reggie was got involved in wrestling topography high enjoy doing that myself doing pressing photography. So that's awesome to hear that. It worked for wage, you all Hayman in so many more. My question is about how Paul Heyman in e c w and that is John resumes. Enthusiasm is infectious for the east E W products. And I, I didn't really know this now that John would kind of waning after all the scandals and stuff. So we had a lot weighing on him emotionally, and mentally about the wrestling landscape. What, what made you John love EC w what attracted to you so much? 'cause I've always loved it. And I just want to hear someone's perspective who's been around the business for so long. And thank you again. Guys have a great show. Absolutely, thanks, Brian. Vietnam. Really, really good question. I mean when e c w started the Manetti guilt, would, you know, had the book and he was navigating through that? And then when he got replaced by paulie and Todd golden and all that stuff. That went down that excited me because I always thought Paula Hannah was a brilliant guy. Still is, you know, evil genius in insane and his own way. But incredible great visionary. And it excited me because actually brought in a way the realism. I'm back to the industry and the business because we were so besieged with a cartoon characters of the era that Vince, McMahon created through his creative team. And the and the missteps that WCW did all the money that Ted Turner had, and they still couldn't get it right. Because of the egos that were societas with booking that one paulie started in this little arena, and Philadelphia, and he started, bringing in incredible count that couldn't get really couldn't get a push in other organizations. And these were actually very best workers in the business. And when Pauling knew how to use them and book them and create the excitement of the story lines. I mean that's, that's, that's why I go crazy every week on the radio show, talking about home, wonderful ISI w was because it was fresh and a new was violent, but and the storylines were a little bit risque and. Was a little bit catering towards an older demo. But I mean that's what was needed. It was it was a product and I still to this day when I you know, now that w w network is up and running. I mean, I'm watching some of these all these CW shows and seeing seventies classic interviews. I mean cactus Jack who I used to write EC w arena with it, every show, really, because we, we, we lived on Long Island and cactus was renting an apartment from a good friend of mine at the time. We'd go travel up and down the road together and, and he'd come back injured and not drive, but he drives there, I drive back all the time kinda wasn't doing the bus shows. But it was it was exciting. I mean I love DC w bows. I just love. I wish and to this day that it could have went on for forever. You know, I John looking back the, the, the thing about it. I mean, it's so hard for people that weren't in that moment and didn't live through the early nineties in the crap that we. Had to deal with fans and it's journalists at that time, it's hard to really fully understand without living through that period, how in in how dry wrestling had become an house stayed. And how even -servative style wise. And so when Luci Lieber started to, you know, be something that infiltrated or was brought here, and people started to get exposed to it through tape trading and Dr Lucia Steve, Simms, helping you know and John Williams toward contributor at one time, Kurt Kerteh now I forgot his is. There are a lot of people real proponents of that of, of a lot of the international wrestling through tape trading who were influential, but EC w was was a big part of that to creating this fresh weight, Oprah trusting and it's so obvious. And in your enthusiasm unpromising spotlight during the nineteen Ninety-four now entering ninety five how exciting it was. No looking back with hindsight. Should we have been? And I think we were to certain extent, I certainly was. That I covered it as progress, you kinda got out of it before it started to become kind of maybe obvious that EC w was going too far physically to stitch hair shots to the head. And it's just some of the gimmickry and, and really, I have to give the torch credit. I mean, Bruce Mitchell and me and other writers. We're really, really started to get critical of the excesses of CW, but I look back and I cringe a little bit at some of the things in the very early stages that we were praising about the product. But at the same time, I think we have to cut ourselves some slack because one, we didn't know how long how, how excessive it was going to get. And at that time, it was so novel. It wasn't violence for the sake of violence. It was part of this mad scientist, Paul Heyman preannouncing wrestling in a way, that was so different than we got to groups visionary. I mean whatever down. I mean, I, I'll never forget, I mean, probably little known fact. I mean but Paul Heyman was booked, when I was, you know, when I started this little. Promotion international wrestling stars, and my first tour was in Singapore, and Hong Kong. And we brought several workers there with us Jake the snake to Conan and you know, it was really internationals show. Holly was booked that book Kim to manage the powers of pain on that tour and that's where he really got together with Ted petty and, and, and Johnny grunge and form public enemy was on my tour. Then when they first started teaming together, and he also worked at the allowed to bring Nancy Sullivan woman to manage Sanmen. I mean, all that stuff happened on that toured police navigating, and he's working the he's working the wrestlers that are working for me. And talking about envisions that he had with EC, w but I mean he put it together. You did it. And he and he was this mad scientist genius guy and. I loved I loved the development of the story lines that he that he came up with, you know, it was signing to, to see him in operation and seem work and, and to go into the little his little his house and see Joey styles through the promos. And I mean, it's just kind of it was kind of neat to be around that on the inside or back, then, you know where your burgers on the coffee table. Do you want? Eat a bird report, it on a bar full your instincts to be dubbed for the new all American cheeseburger, fresh juicy fee, spastics, crispy around the edges, covered in cheese, and stacked to the ceiling with deliciousness, and knocked that baby Dow with a frosted beer at the bar. Just like those sports God's intended, but new all America cheeseburger at Buffalo Wild Wings. Please drink responsibly. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group, mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now, get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry did pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Pricing coverage match limited by state law. The picture of herbal picture of Paul Heyman house, where did you what did you walk in the back door through garage? It was your friend, tours in the front of the house. It was like, in a little little like a like a home office thing where he had a at the EC w Vanna, rob. And then he and Tommy dreamer, and there was the producer director and Joey styles and they were cutting you know, they were cutting the opening of the shows, and we're coming out of the promos there, you know, I mean, the ones that weren't live at EC w Rena, but when they were setting up the shows like the open. So the shows pretty. Yeah. And all the editing was done in the air. And, and it was. A home operation, actually, and literally. Yeah, it was cool. I mean you know, he was operating on a shoestring. And, and he, he did quite often stuff. I mean for a bit. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, just it it too heavy CW have started at that small of a level into, to what it grew into as a brand, even though it never became as big as Paul Heyman wanted, is amazing. Let me let me go to couple of phone calls, and then I wanna talk with more body CW. There's so many choices to go with this interview because if you're, you're rich experiences with so many big names ears, but let's go to one one, which is either Skype or international or some blocks, some sort of block. Call mystery caller, please state your name, and where you're calling from. Hello. Yes. You. Hello. Legendary wait kill, my God. How you doing, bro? Oh, good. You're on with John res- e please state your name. And where are you calling from? Jonah. Reggie is one of my oldest one of my best friends, if it wasn't for Jonah Razzie. I'm keeping me a mystery for a minute. Okay. If it wasn't for on a resume and his great conventions, I wouldn't admit ninety percent at a restless that I met through the is. This is actually what John Dominic Leonard is Dominic Valenti. Yes, it is. I recognized the voice and Wade, it's a pleasure to be on he. Which you? Excellent. Dominic thank you for calling. I'm glad you, you reached out to John through the show. You know, I was just getting my news for my hotline, and I saw on your website. And I said, oh, shit. Jona res-. I said, I got a call in. And it's a pleasure to be on you. Wade kello. One of the best of the of the New England is out there which you could still get by mail and John Reggie is just a wrestling icon, when it comes to his radio show, his conventions, that he's had for four years in a row back in the day, I was at three of them. I met everybody, I met everybody, and it was all thanks. John, I used to call the radio show all the time with Donny. Liable was beyond area. John would give results old shows that he went to and have guests on. And it was it was unbelievable. It's a pleasure to be here with you guys. I've been doing my wrestling hotline for twenty two years of a since I've been sober, and I used to get over two hundred calls a day, when we had WCW and EC, wwl WWF, and you've been living off and everything. Yeah. I've been doing it over since two cool. The ship dropped a lot because all we got his and TNA now but I still covered Japan and Mexico on air and I love it. And now that I got a laptop like I'm maybe get onto the website and see what news. And I always credit the, the websites when I do my hotline, it's pleasure to be with you guys. Well, the other question for John or you just wanted to share some memories, Dominic yeah. Just wanted to skip some memories and a great memory, who's one of my favorites and I love this. I was going to shop in area in my neighborhood, and my parents had give me some money to buy new genes. So I was halfway to destroys the city lying area of queens, and who do I see getting added a train and going into one of the grocery stores. John arrays and he's got his. He's got his big briefcases, Woodham would would all his pictures. I sit John, what are you doing around here? I came to visit my grandmother, I should see you got your stuff. He said, hey, wanna see some pictures, definitely? So we sat on the steps at a train station, going through his photo albums needless to say, I never made it to get my jeans. Fifty dollars. I still have them today would would've wore out by now but I still got all the John's pictures all all Trudy is drawn Joan was had some of the best pictures of and by she on at the shows. And like I said, he's conventions unbelievable. Yeah. You keep up. Keep up the degrade work with the newsletter. Man. Really? I just renewed. I sent in another renewal Dominic. I appreciate your business these years, and it's great hearing your voice, and I'm sure John is pleased to hear that you call insured. Some nice memories too. I had two great to excellent will you're no longer be legends right thing. Just I'm you rotate the here you slipped, any alleys and dined on pork and beans tonight. I'm truly sharing this coal with kings. All right. Thanks. We're what we're blessing about it's, it's very cool. Our phone number here is six four six seven two one nine eight to wait six four six seven to one ninety two eight. You're listening to the p w torch live cast. You can find us at P w torch, live, cast dot com. Go figure he w torchlight live dot com. Rican reconstruct, the show live Monday through Friday, and you can also find us on demand. You can also find the links to subscribe to the show in itunes or on your podcast app on your iphone, Android phone, or windows phone. We appreciate all of our listeners spreading the word about the show, and we are, as I said, here, five days a week. So we're the only daily live pro wrestling talk show the most listened to. Pro wrestling new show on the internet each week and we appreciate everybody for making that possible for us. I don't think we've been on the I think I've been on the air like three and a half or is it four and a half. Twenty ten eleven twelve thirty four and a half years. Now, john. That's crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. 'cause it was a twenty ten that was when the big the little Monday night, fizzle with TNA Monday nights, we started right when that was happening. You know, John hardy jump RV de showed up in TNA, and Bret Hart's came back and was just great time to start the shows, you know, actually right at the end of two thousand nine we did a few shows in two thousand nine so, yeah, ten eleven twelve thirteen and no one two thousand fourteen so wow. Four and a half years lies my friends. I know I gotta stop and reflect a little more 'cause every once in a while you're just like I look at, like the year two thousand nine and I'm like, no way with that five years ago. It's crazy. All time flies. Anyway. Let's go get the older. You get the faster. It goes, you know why? 'cause percentage wise proportionately every year. Smaller percentage if your life as you age. And so I just think you know, it just takes up a smaller space in your memory, you have so much experience. But that's why I think it's all the more important to, you know, slow down and reflect as Gandhi said, there's more to life than simply increasing it to beat. That's true. I like that. Quote, Charlie loves cherry. So he fills his roster with wild cherry cherry cola and tops it off the cherry linemate. It's the cherry on Charlie's day mixed the polar pop or frostier that works for you. Just seventy nine cents at circle k limited time only at participating locations. 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Thanks for calling. What have you got pajamas you today? Well, I before I get to before I get to my questions for John. I just I have to ask you. Wait I have been a VIP member now for about two months now. But at the same time, can you I mean how do I how do I call in with the express line? You have to Email me for that secrets for the secret instructions, it's not something I can give away on the air. Okay. Got you. It's it is one of the things, but I talk about it on the Keller hotline all the time. So, but I'll try to do it more often too, because I notice it sometimes unless you're thinking about it, you're not paying attention to that kind of minutia. Yeah. Try media mail, and I'll let you know, the secret code. Yeah. Definitely. So my question for John is it's, it's Christmas. They hold our tape as he was talking about his history about, hey faith and whatnot. So I just want here, I've just want him to just give us a little bit more in-depth news on that, like, basically, like some questions that I want to ask him or back. Did you let it? I mean it was it was easier to work in a cave environment. Was it not easier like things like that? Also. How did they maintain case fade? I mean, was it self policing or was it more of the promoters, that were doing things, and more, always an incentive, the break, you know, those are my question. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean back in the seventies, I mean it was like you guys were so protective. I mean, they wouldn't even show up that arena, for example, when I was driving around with the executioners, and that was John Stott and killer, Kowalski a couple of times and taking them to the venue, they'd rather put their mask on. Before they would go into the arena. I mean, the guy's separated themselves, they didn't associate with themselves and, you know the heels and the babies and then it started to get little, you know, move, sir back in the nineties. I mean, I almost the entire decade of the eighties, really. I was really not in it. But from the time I left it in the seventies really around seventy eight and the time I went back in eighty nine it was totally different stolley different. I mean it was they were still under gag orders. You couldn't really talk to what they would call the dirt sheets is what they would call the newsletters they might still today for all I know. But primitive infection though, but yeah, yeah, yeah, it was it was totally like they wouldn't want you to talk to them. And then when people started coming on my show, and then, you know, in, Dave Meltzer, and wait and, you know, they started getting interviews, and I mean it just ten evolved and now it's this obviously what it is. It's like it's only known. I, I never forget, when Vince McMahon came out publicly and said it was not a sport. And it was entertainment to avoid the taxes to the state commissions stayed up other commissions when he you know, that's when it was really, you know, the gig is up, you know, it is what it is. And it never you know, never went back to those secretive base. It it's interesting. David shoemaker in his book the squared circle. He had an anecdote from or a quote, from a newspaper and I can't remember what your it was late fifties. Maybe mid sixty somewhere in that era, where Vincent man, senior talked openly in the newspaper about wrestling being work like there's a quote and it's like it, people think took man, like was a first guy to say it, it's like it had been said. And there were, if you read fall guys, the great book from that covered wrestling from the early twentieth, century and really devolution in the tens and twenties. And thirties, there was open. Skepticism affir- for decades and decades and decades about the legitimacy legitimacy of wrestling. It was never covered in newspaper almost never covered a newspapers. There's exceptions here and there as a real sport. So this idea that took man like shattered some top secret. I mean when I was a fan starting to watch wrestling in the late seventies, I my mom, would, you know, knew I was getting into wrestling. And at some point you kind of said he weighed, you know, the, the guys at work, they kinda told me maybe the lights are on the up enough. You know, have you ever thought about that? It was so delicate, you know, try not to shatter, you know, my, my belief, but, you know, trying to make sure I kind of knew what I was watching. I was like I was like, yeah, I figured that might be the case, but I don't care. It's fun. You know, I just but I think everybody kind of had doubts John did not take going to do it. But the thing that I liked about the K fehb era, and I think it should still exist today to a great degree at least during the show's it's just a lot more fun when everyone's playing along. It's a lot more fun. When dole Sigler who's who's gone like two wins and eighty seven losses on TV isn't on TV. Complaining about his lack of a push because you're to an eighty seven why should you get a better push? You lose her like somebody should say that, like you know why is he complaining about his push? He is where he belongs for his win loss record. But instead Russia's going going, I deserve to win more. What do you mean you deserve to win more wind? Like I want to be drawn into wrestling, because everybody's pretending us real. And I got to experience that when I went to live shows, where everybody was pretending it was real on TV and it's a live shows. And I just think it's a lot more fun that way. It's not insulting my telling us anymore than having really good stunk working special effects, make some movie something, I can, you know, get more more Zorg into 'cause it's not breaking my suspension sleep all the time. Yes, good point. Yeah. And it, it do think that wrestling with the level of knowledge now John that people have and what we've gone through with a books being written in like you talk about the, the radio shows like ours and podcasts like ours, that there is a negative to still within the context of a show pretending. It's real in every way that's possible. I mean, this is mention of disbelief is what they say. I mean I you know, you always like to be drawn into a storyline and spend that belief a little bit. But I mean it is what it is. It's pure entertainment. It's a story line as soap operas. I really I really can't put a tag on it right now. I still watch Monday nights. I still enjoy it. There's some things I enjoy more than others. 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I used to listen to Richmond so late Saturday nights on WFAN, if I know about, John, then I definitely would have listened great shows some stuff on its programs. Brings back great memories of the storylines from c w w w w my first question, though, is, who was your favorite guest interview, and who was the worst. He thinks you're he's guesses. Well, go in and say the words, I'll tell you if his guests is right. My worst interview. Yeah. That's been worse. But start with worst. If you can't, I'll hurt her babies from you WF was worse. Yeah. Why not? Because he was a crazy, man. It was insane. He was nuts. Yes. Any any talk about it being a work and being a shoot in the same interview. Yes. Yeah. He was out of his mouth. He was out of his mind. His Nelson's guests with powers of pain. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. That was good day they stop 'cause the language but they are not. So it's horrible interviews. I mean they were horrible. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of bands. It was I mean even I was listening to some of the old shows and, you know, even public enemy was was not really, really good. They were on a good in it. They want a good interview. They were in there like doing their stick. And you were eligible for that I could tell I was because I think we're gonna come on and talk about really, you know, the cool side of the business, and what they were doing and the story lines and, and, you know, you know, the whole philosophy of what they do without being in character. So whenever in character it's roomy off. Does that was expecting this great interview? And it was also when it was the week that who passed away or bar, I passed away, and they almost like it didn't respect the guy and they've kind of blew it off and that. Oh, that was kinda disturbing to me, you know, I, I could tell you're uncomfortable with it, and it was an emotional week. Looking back for people who didn't get to see a lot of public enemy except maybe in WCW. It was a glimpse at how even in that early stage how the dynamic, they had between each other, and when they were in character, and I thought it was really fun to listen to. I if you take away the fact that that's not the type of show you did. And it was the wrong week to do it if it NFL lots of strip away. But if you do strip it away and you listen to fly boy in Johnny do their stick for that time. And that culture it, it gives you an idea of why they're promos on EC, w we're such a big part of what made EC w so special. Yeah, but when they were doing their promos on, he w that, awesome, much more believable than, you know, it was funny. It was joking. But they used to have a serious side. I'm on those promos on my show was almost like they were clowns. Yeah. Yup. That, that's a great point. Because I I've said this a lot almost where some people pick on for the it's my cliche. When I it's kind of become a cliche for me, but I always talk about fly boy, especially fly by Rocco rock, Ted petty, but somewhat Johnny grunge, too, because they could joke around, but they could just with a flip of a switch get dark and scary. And, and I love that. And that's kind of, you know, Bray Wyatt hasn't quite tapped into that yet I love as promos, but I think Bray would actually benefit from looking at what Ted petty and Johnny, especially Ted petty fly. Boy was we're able to do on their promos where there's in. It's not that not that braid jokes around a lot on the level at fly boy, Johnny did. But there's I think there's a darker place that break could go. That would kind of shock people to pay attention, kind of the way that boy did on his promos. Yes. Good point. I agree with you. I mean, I've seen them and I think it could be done on a little bit better. And he certainly has potential to go into that socks. Side, so to speak. But he, he will benefit from Saint some of those, those old interviews have public enemy, who, who else does remind you of today in terms of old promos going as far. How these things. I'm at a loss. Yeah. I gotta take people bring up. Jake Roberts, John. Oh, yeah. That's true. Jake hit that great psychology when he was doing those interviews. And you know, there is nobody likes the snake Roberts that he was. He was a he was a master and like college, and then ever use in crafting and interview in a promo. So I'm a great you know, he has the potential to do it. I mean he would benefit from checking out some of the legends that really, really invented this type of Romo, you know. Also going back to Nelson's Email. He wants to you to talk a little bit about the MRI height promo because we just ran that on the VIP website that that was in December nineteen Ninety-four university interviewed her I was fascinated. John, by this promo too, because she was talking about things that really very few people had have had the guts to talk about in the position that she was in the business was still money to be made if she wanted to which was Richardson these men need to stand up and be men, not boys and demand collective bargaining. It'll compare notes on their pay go to promoters and say, we deserve a bigger cut like she was really excuse a term for her, but ballsy when it came to how outspoken she was. And, and it was so it was. So kinda surprising given her ditsy blonde honor character, how I when you compare her to some of the main event talent who have come ever since and haven't made one, I owed of a change in the business with a better when it comes to from bottom to the top of the roster having more rights being. Treated better. And that kind of thing I look back on that, and I really applauded Missy for the things she said, and I wish more people in power, had her gumption. Yeah. She wasn't afraid to speak remind. And she was really. She's still is probably not seen her in years, but she's really smart. You knew understood the business there was, you know, there was only so far, you could get because the promoters had all the power and, and they've always treated the boys, you know, for lays on how it is now and make on to the health benefits. Pension plans have anything as changed, but union is always the needed in west thing, like major league baseball has and the NFL and the NHL in the NBA. And I mean there isn't one in pro wrestling, and there needs to be wonder always needs to be one. And, and unfortunately, when there's a monopoly there's never going to happen. So yeah, yeah. Have you subscribed to the POW torch daily cast? 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There was a time where Kris van while wasn't a household name in this country, but was among hardcore international fans, but you talk about the, you know, it's not necessarily the wrestling career had, but just kind of your thoughts on how everything ended and, and maybe some personal notes about what it's like to deal with them. Well, Crispin law. I mean he was always a little distance. I mean that's one thing I noticed about him. I mean in wanna do interviews. You don't wanna come on the show. You still want to keep that, you know the table little bit alive. But I mean he was he was a, you know, who's a very intense individual. That's all. I remember about him, and I was never able to business for them on autograph session, really or a tour. And that's what it was. But, you know, when when when he murdered Nancy and he murdered his little boy, I mean, that was just getting this game to me because Nancy was one of my best friends in the business. And when you discovered the story. Today. Talk me to talk about. I mean but then why was he was he was a very intensive individuals for my own personal interaction with him. What was very it was very. Wasn't. It wasn't anything of substance. I was very close with Nancy and backs. The thing that's hard for me to talk about because she was a suitable person, and Susan great entertainer. And she was very passionate about what she did. And I'm sure she was very, very passionate. Mom, my memories have heard going into the ring with, with the little boy when he won the world title. I was so happy for her. And she seem really happy. She was that it was a mom. And then it ended so so very tragically. Yeah, it is. It's it's hard to talk about. I mean it really is. And I mean, there's people who can go back and watch, Chris, Benoit matches and, and, and appreciate his wrestling. And I'm still not in that place. And I don't think I ever will be given the what happened and I have, you know, a certain level of I believe that what led Chris to that moment. And everything that happened were took him on a course, there were a lot of factors that, that took them on that course. And I don't think he necessarily was always on that course I think can cut down. I think they had to be, you know, whatever the drugs that he was on. And, you know, the team to terrorize painkillers and, and that's the tragedy of that era because so many of these some of these guys again. And so many of them have nothing and a lot of the masterminds, you know, I mean. It was the generation of that of that era and, and things fortunately changed. But that was a doc talk period in, in history of wrestling, and it wasn't really observed by the mainstream media, like none of this would be able to be kissed. You can get away any. Oh, that stuck could happen in the eighties and early nineties. 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Court to, to put off that. To win. You did. Well, I mean I heard the first part of the question is like you like your regret leaving the wrestling business when I did. Yeah, absolutely not. I had had enough of the wrestling business. I, I never forget when I left the wrestling business. I mean I had been I had been forced into bankruptcy situation. I had been about the turn forty years of age without a without health insurance without any anything and I and I basically dealt with individuals that really. I don't regret and I don't miss I left, I got out and disappeared from it. And I was I haven't looked at my life turned around when I left the wrestling business, but it only got better every year is every year got better. It was a it was not a good business for me to being in. And I am you know, I, I made a lot of bad business decisions back in the day. I was trying to make a living isn't it? Didn't work out. I would individuals that I helped along the way some really good. And some pretty shitting. I'm sorry. She's one guys look. But I mean that's the reality of it. You know I didn't hear the second part of that question. So you could repeat that wait for him. Go, go ahead. Kyle and repeat the second because I'm not sure what, what John missed out on. What does that have been anything that cord new to put on this? To leave at the guy, what was the final thing. Yeah. Well, the I remember yesterday. Yeah, this promoting your show in Phoenix. Arizona. A headline by Neil moss. Chris at the time who was a legend, and it was a show that I get into pear drowns, fair and the wind up losing an incredible amount of money on that show. And I had had enough and you know, I had guys showing up who you buy plane tickets score who then exchange those tickets for first class tickets they can't fit in the seat or whatever. And then they expect you to reimburse them and I was like, Ed into siege by a lot of the guys on that particular show, who they rubbed me the wrong way. And I'm like you know what I'm done with this. I've had enough and that was his final straw and I quit. Well, comedy out for John. Second question. John, considering a forty eight year history. As as a wrestling thing. And all the all the provisions, you've held within wrestling, and say, can you provide me on why the man that? That. Somewhat irrational fear of promoting mall. Wrestlers too. I. Yeah. The gone. What's up with the McMahon's and triple h not wanting to promote smaller guys who are more thematic? I, I knew the answer to that question. I mean they've been doing that for years. I mean, this thing's going here, you know, really started with superstar Billy Graham money made him the champion. I mean he was always obsessed with large individuals and the bigger, the better. So I don't know what their philosophy is in place. Of course, was never a small guy. He's a huge guy himself. So whatever that philosophy is on pushing wrestlers that are just, you know, the teast us, and these types of individuals, rather than the Daniel Bryan was, you know, I mean reluctantly they gave him to strap. I mean that's just their philosophy. So it's a personal philosophy. They've chose it and unfortunately, they held the keys to the house and the keys to the barn, but they could make who who the heck they want champion and especially whatever they want based on their own individual preferences in that necessary. Listen. To the fans. And do you have a third and final item for John? Yes, I do final question for your John. To see individual Rick where continued to remain in the wrestling business when. When people claim that they should have enough money, you're aware, they shouldn't. They shouldn't be in more. I understand what you're saying. Kyle thank you for the question. I mean but guy like player stage in the business. Maybe you know, worn out his welcome, perhaps, I don't know. I think I think we're kind of very you know, you got a lifestyle, which he lived the part of the nature, boy, and he wants to a lot of money. And I guess he's still needs to make money too. That's why you're still in it. I mean. It's not an easy business to leave it with something Michelle for it. I mean this probably, you know, for every one wrestler that left it well off and had a secure future. There's one hundred that are struggling financially still it's still lifestyle. It's the perception of the character you portrayed. And it's individual choices you know, RIC flair to me when I see him he's always RIC flair the legend, he's always a nation. Boy, and I personally enjoy when he walks through that curtain, and I see the nature. Boy, it's not like it was years ago. But there's still something about seeing that guy walked down the current magenta think I'll ever get tired of very good. Kyle appreciate the call. 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Well, very good. I'm I'm speechless. Thank you for calling. Well, thanks for having me. Yeah. You're not you know you're scheduled for next Wednesday. I actually was told it was today and withhold it was moved back to three thirty time tangle that if you continue. Okay. Well, it's great to hear from you. We Pat actually do. Yeah. Well, it's it, this actually Christopher might be one of our best interviews, ever. I really appreciate the time and insights you provide it. Oh, Chris Christopher Daniels. Alvar wage will be joining Pat McNeill, next Wednesday at this time five thirty central six thirty eastern. And Pat, just sent me about five minutes ago, a note that I can announce that officially, it is confirmed that our guest at this exact moment was for Daniels, we'll be on next Wednesday with Pat McNeill, on the POW torch, live cast, how's life after after TNA. It's so far. So good man. And what a what a crappy plugged visit turned into. Well, thanks. We'll talk to you next week or for all right? All right next week early. Promo is great. That is great. Very good no-one, who is confused. When I try to put him on a minute ago. All right. Let's go to air code eight one three who knows maybe this'll because area, maybe can complete the the take team here. Eight one three police station. Aim it. Where are you calling from? Hi, this is Frankie very oh, calling from the future. And it's next Wednesday now. So let's get to it. Not quite next Wednesday yet. Is this really Frankie? It's kinda sound like this. Yeah, yeah. I just heard the confusion and that was on the line. And tardy just to add to the Tom foolery fantastic that offense has a guess so we are this is an official preview for next Wednesday. At exactly this time you guys called right on time. If it was a week from now. So. Fantastic. In my mind it is a week from now. So I'm bet on time. But I'll be on time next week to don't do you have anything you wanna plug for this weekend since you're John. How's the hard for this Saturday, this Saturday, sandiego house, hardcore stack show going butts versus TBN me can be good one that will be good that actually be really good. Very good. Thanks cats will have you on next week then? Look forward to take care, right? John is that ever happen? Yeah, of course you still, you know. Nobody calls up you're on the air for five years. I've had people would show up and. Not the, the right week or the right time. Or, you know, not as the no shows where always like at sometime. I'm officially blaming, Pat McNeill, just because it seems like the fun thing. I want him. We have left wait. What time is how long do we have on this? Oh, well, the, the live show. We're about to wrap up if you got a few more minutes, I wanna hit few subjects for VIP members in the after show. Yeah. How are you? Right now. I'm I'm actually time right now. I mean, I know we have a lot more to go into, but warrior stopped, and you know. So when do you want to, I could come back anytime they? Okay. Well, let's, let's do that. So we'll we'll wrap up the show now. 'cause you're pressed for time, and we'll just have you on, again, sometime soon in the future, which will figure out at a later time and go into the your stuff and some other notes that I took and some other emails that came in and they're gonna do, do you like questions that you would post on your the IP site? Let's say some of the topics that we were not able to the naval to get through, then they wanted to cover a lot of ground here. So I mean I'm willing to come back. You know, to do whatever you need to do. You know. Well, we'll see. We'll figure it out off air, John. And, and I really I really enjoyed this week. That's it was a to be able to relive some of these middle. Yeah. You and to and, you know, they're still they still, you know, the warriors stuff. I really wanna get there's some fascinating fascinating stories there. And whatever you to do. I mean, I'm just a as I explained to you, some really interesting stuff going on right now in the rear. Of, of the I represent back. We'll be able to talk about about a week or so. But I wanna come back I wanna I, I love hearing, the questions of the fans and I would love to, to join you again do this. Let let's let's absolately do it. It's my fault for not making sure you had a few minutes at the end of the hour. And so no problem at all. Absolutely no problem. That's a good teacher for us to hit some other subjects again too. 'cause it's great having the on your professional, any of so much such a wide array of talk about we barely got into anything today other than a little bit on very wide. So I know I know I look forward to defend next time we can do it for a long period of time, and I just, you know, just let me know how much time you need to carve out. And I'll be there excellent on that note on behalf of Jonah. Reggie this is Wade Keller thanking everybody for joining us. We're gonna have John again on a spoon for a third time on this program. So stay tuned for that tomorrow, chains Caldwell and Friday interview Friday pending Neil, and as we found out officially here by having Christopher Daniel and. Join our show would they will be on a week from right now. And if you are listening to live and wanna switch over the east coast cast is on right now. The torch east coast cast at east coast cast dot com or if you prefer blog talk radio dot com slash east coast. Cast Travis Andrey talking current events and wrestling. I don't get the plug of very much because I the days that I'm on don't correspond to them going live with their live right now. So check that out. John, thank you. I this hour tonight. It's our just flew by talking to you. And, and we'll do it again. 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13: Bonus 02: The First Casino

"Before Las Vegas before Atlantic City people still wanted to gamble and one man realized is an all inclusive casino resort could be a money making machine. He was tightly associated with Tammany Hall. You know they were the power. Brokers that Rian New York City and more see himself became quite affiliated with himself. He was essentially enforcer with dead rabbits and the other against the other gangs and if there were issues the tame any hall needed settled they sent Morrissey and his people out to settle it. So Morrissey eventually splits from Tammany Hall comes up to Saratoga Springs and first thing he does is start to racecourse. Of course it was nowhere near the big city and will to do politicians but Saratoga Springs two hundred miles away from the center of gangs and gangsters became the gambling. Capital of the United States attracted everyone from Cornelius Vanderbilt to Arnold Rothstein. That was really the heyday of the gambling. I mean there were there. Were dozens of places you can get. You could gamble but really put her on the map to the extent that people would call it the Monte Take Carlo of America it was the most fabulous you know elegant gambling place. In all of America this Mafia the first Casino Saratoga Springs was founded ended shortly after the revolutionary war. Even from its early days it was made to be a tourist spot. The I hotel was built in the early eighteen. Hundreds the founder Gideon Putnam James. Perello is the executive director of the Saratoga Springs. History Museum and then getting Putnam is our first founding entrepreneur who builds Putnam's tavern and boarding house directly across what is Broadway today from our structure. The canfield casino and his is thoughts was build it. They will come like many antebellum towns. Saratoga benefited greatly from the expansion of the railway. The wrong wrong factor was the economists. Spring waters thought to be good for healing any ailments the spring waters here while it's formed their pockets spring water. All all under all through the under the Shales Toga. We have a fault line that runs directly through our city and when that fault shifted millions of years ago that allowed the spring water to percolate to the surface natural spring. Water was a common prescription for the wealthy and a draw for new European immigrants along with a hotel. The town became known for European style. Spas where people would drink the water or even bathe in it to get. Its benefits. Tom Burns is an educator at at the Saratoga History Museum Saratoga becomes a basically a summer vacation for the wealthy and from Eastern Europe coming here because because they heard about the springs. They're very useful spring water. They bathe in it. They drink it they accept. This is something. They're looking forward to you levels at the spring water. But you're probably never going to really early be friends however that very diverse clientele. That could come here. James said that during the summer New York City was hot humid and smelled terrible terrible from garbage in horses for those who could afford it. Getting out of the city was essential but traveling two hundred miles in the early eighteen hundreds was a long long trip so Saratoga became a bustling town for the entire summer but aside from the spas the new sudden influx of people needed something to occupy. Hi there time. The obvious hobby gambling so horse racing to appeal to all in all the masses. People were coming here For the spring water but they would come drink the water and then had business dealings et mum and also visit with their peers butts. People people needed things to do so vast gambling started here. 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I and people really didn't give it too much. Slaughter care too much about it unless it was brought up in the open and you'll Tammany Hall. People didn't liked him and he all but they accepted the fact that all the police around take who was just that's part of doing business but when the corruption became to blame or when it became our of a court case then people would get get upset about after all if gambling was bringing in tourists and making money for the town. Why would they these Sir Toa Kinda struggled with were they going to be in law and order town down or were they going to turn the town over to the gamblers and the gangsters and day for the most part? They did an so. Syra Togo was the perfect place for the ventures of one gangster in particular John Morrissey. John was a Irish immigrant. He probably came through Canada to this area. They settled in troy which was an industrial city. He was a An iron worker. He was very strong. Obviously obviously he was. He was kind of a fighter. Kind of near do well Not necessarily academic or a student And he was an enforcer for the local pubs and and and brothels in in the area troy born in upstate. New York Morrissey moved to the city in eighteen. Fifty eight to start a job on the ducks that the time. Although New York City organized crime was nothing like it would be after prohibition it still had a few structured operations downtown town Manhattan was under the control of two rival street. Gangs the bowery boys and the dead rabbits. The bowery boys supported politics that were largely anti anti immigrant. Their most notable member was bill. The butcher the dead rabbits however were made up of Irish immigrants and their most most notable member became John Morsi he became the leader of a gang called the dead rabbits you know. He really established himself as the dominant presence in New York and he it was a huge guy by the time for the time period. Six foot one his One of his best attributes are great after beats was USA one on top street fighter. He made a name for himself that way. There were some street. fights on the streets and doxa he was severely beaten Morrissey was also known as an impressive bare knuckle fighter and had competed as a heavyweight boxer. It got him a lot of attention. Boxing also illegal they used to box on state lines uh-huh and when the cops came they ran to the other state So John Marcy becomes heavyweight champion and is probably funded and supported by wealthy patrons because IOS wealthy people in those days really we're running out of things to To better the the their fellow competitors on between his boxing accomplishments and dead dead rabbits association Morrissey soon became involved with the rich and powerful and he was tightly associated with Tammany Hall. You know they were. The powerbrokers offers that Rian New York City and Morsi himself became quite affiliated with him. So he was essentially an enforcer with the dead rabbits and the other against the other gangs and if there were issues choose the team any hall needed settled. They sent more in his people out to settle it. Tammany Hall was new. York City's enormous and wealthy political machine at the time they supported a lot of pro immigrant policies. But we're also merciless to their opponents and we're ruthless in their politics and he basically basically greets the immigrants gets them jobs and apartments and extorts money from them and make sure that they vote the right way. After retiring from boxing Morrissey set aside on establishing houses of gambling and one of his stops was not far from where he grew up in troy. So Morrissey Eventually splits from Tammany Hall comes up to Saratoga Springs. And first thing he does is he starts a racecourse. He starts to a race track in eighteen sixty two and ends along with few business partners in the form. What's called the Saratoga Racing Association? which is the early early predecessor to what we have today called the association? The racetrack must phenomenally successful. Although most horses in the eighteen sixties were involved in the civil war with morrises connections. He was able to persuade his wealthy friends to bring their best courses. report say they were originally four days in a rule of racing thing in betting it was so popular that over time it was extended to forty days and Morrissey had bought a second property across the street from the track was an old hotel and water. Bottling so perfect place for John Morrissey to build a gambling casino. Because if you're going to be on the race for half during the day you come down so Morrissey could bank have people bank with him at that restrict and then come right into the gambling seem so aw casino opens in eighteen seventy and it becomes a very significant building in the history of our city. 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You don't need Internet so it even works on your vacation in the middle of nowhere. Engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must just download best fiends for free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends Morrissey established the Saratoga clubhouse and turned it into a luxury resort. All the furnishings were made by two New York City CD designers and made entirely of sullen would. The floors were carpeted wall to wall. And he later got the likes of Frederick Law Own Stitch to work on some of the landscaping was. This was all designed by the herter brothers Isa to German Furniture makers from New York City who also If you ever go to Vanderbilt Museum you'll see that. Most of the furniture is done by the her her brothers and designed by the herter brothers but Morrissey was careful with his business he wanted. Oh to keep the favor of both the citizens and of the authorities. The gambling house was run under three very strict rules. You were closed closed. They were closed on Sunday in deference to the clergy Saratoga. No women were allowed to gamble. Because that's how I thought of People Beck and how he thought a women they needed. It'd be protected from divisive and last leader third rule was nobody from Saratoga Springs was allowed in the building at all beach explained that Morrissey see learned a lesson from a French. German town called Baden. The citizens of Baden would go out gambling every evening and would lose all their money. He eventually Angelie. Everyone in the town had to go on welfare and the locals no longer wanted casino more seeing understood that if you were you were aware locals lost all their money and then had to go on the welfare rolls in Saratoga. People will present you So they deliberately did not let locals play however you could play at any number of other places there were certainly dives certainly places where you can play for a nickel. You didn't have to have money. Where evening attire in addition Morrissey he made sure anyone who might oppose a house of gambling was appeased? He made large donations to the churches and charities of Saratoga and took care of the townspeople. So if your church needed steps he would give you the money to build new steps for your church. If if a if a young woman you know was her husband was died as one story. Her husband passed away and she was having trouble making her mortgage so John Morrissey paid her mortgage. Moore's the eventually was elected to Congress and and later to the Senate gaining him more political favor and the police force has featured said. We're not going to make a fuss if no one complained and the town wanted the establishment. There were opponents to him not very many local opponents but nationally. This everybody nobody knew the clubhouse was it was a gambling joint and one reformer but any. Nellie bly wrote a paper award an article in the Frank Leslie's illustrated and I I think it was an eighteen. Seventy one in blasted evils of Saratoga Springs the sins of the city and had a beautiful engraving of John Morrissey with Oval. Very short man was a poor pauper begging for credit because Moore's took his mind and so nothing was said while Morrissey was around but he wouldn't be around forever sleep is important and the quality of sleep matters matters Abed night of rest. Might make you grumpy the next day especially terrible if your livelihood requires being friendly and personable I often sleep poorly and I know it's not because I lost all my money at the casino. It's in my mattress until I switched. The purple mattresses are different. 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Two eight four eight eight eight message and data rates may apply in eighteen. Seventy seven Jim Morrissey was staying at his apartment in the Adelphi hotel in Saratoga when he contracted pneumonia for Muncie stayed in his apartment trying to recover any actually passes away. He had to business partners that were associated with him through Racing Association Albert Spencer. Charles read They took over took ownership Of the Casino over there too short period that they ran at four about six years. The essentially drove the place into the ground are sixteen years. One was undercutting the other stealing money. Spencer in read ran the Casino. You know as usual until minority shareholder wanted to make his own Richard Canfield known as Prince of the gamblers. Templars bought the casino. Outright Canfield was a wealthy art collector and had several other gambling houses including one in Rhode Island and one in New York City city after buying Morris He's club he renamed the establishment after himself and gave it an eight hundred thousand dollar facelift. A large marble statue was ordered for the grounds and in the back. He added a large dining room for elegant parties. And a new flashy exciting. Now canfield Started have the Zenonas do casino as if you are coming our doors today you see that. The words the Casino Oren blazoned in glass above the doors. Canfield did that kind of bold very bold statement considering that Now he's starting this. I'm schizophrenia. Taking link pressure the the new club even included a rudimentary air conditioner system for keeping the place cool during the hot Saratoga Summers but in eighteen ninety two when the engineers were. We're here they were thinking and plotting. And planning of how inept conditioning system would work so there was a series of fans in our basement that blue cool air through the vents and but that was the formation of the company out of Schenectady the designing and thinking about it air conditioning system sometime in the future. This was the kind of resort that would be recognizable as the hang out of the upper class. That was really the heyday of the gambling. I mean there were there. Were dozens of the places. You can see you could gamble. But Richard Canfield really put Saratoga on the map to the extent that people would call it the Monte Carlo of America does the most fabulous elegant gambling place in all of America and people were for to it again like like the Monte Carlo of America He had a million dollars into safe just in case he had to pay. Hey out he required men to wear Tuxedos and women to have evening gowns and they have dinner and gambling and he really made it a high class displacing. He attracted a lot of money team. He made a phenomenal amount of money. For the time you know on the order of three million dollars was his prophet that he pulled out of Serotonin just just a few years. Canfield became even wealthier off the Saratoga tourists by raising the stakes in the back. Room canfield had a gambling table. Where guests could bit up to ten thousand dollars on a single game but New York towns were going through a transition and Saratoga go was no exception? More and more social and political groups were starting to frown on gambling. And for Canfield high reward. Lorde became high risk. What happened with Richard Canfield is? He followed John Morris. He's roles but he did give credit and by giving out credit he. I started suing people to try to collect the money that he gave out on credit. There was a gambler. That didn't pay off a bat. And canfield cited. He was going to try to collect on that best. We sued them through the Gambler for us. You can't sue somebody for an illegal debt. which attracted attention to him in New York which therefore attracted attention him backyards Erdogan grams? As has the negative attention starts to build upon Him Canfield decides. He's got to do more to make people wind to stay. And that brought notoriety and many people were against gambling and against against the types of people that gambling would bring into town and there were many others in the neighborhood who chose avenues from glens falls became among the chief justice of the Supreme Court These peop- notable people who were totally against gambling and alcohol canfield tried to continue the business but after a few years attendants had gone down significantly. It was no longer economically savvy to opened the casino even in the summer The village did go through a reform wave and he was. He was shut down for a couple of summers and then they were a little finicky. After the turn of the to the turn of the century so I think he just got tired of not knowing whether he's going to be allowed to be open or not by nineteen o six or nineteen. You know seven. I believe he started becoming more negative notoriety and finally the town closes down the casino and by Nineteen Thousand Eight. The city takes over of this building I believe they pay one hundred thousand dollars for it and it became a municipal building and never to be used for gambling or any illicit purposes. again them for a few years. There was no gambling. The city turned the building into a museum but the summer wealth had migrated from New York to Saratoga and with the money came the gangsters and there was a period period of time between when Richard Canfield Stopped operations in nineteen seven in one thousand nine hundred seventeen. Arnold Rothstein invested in his first Claes which was the Arrowhead Alba's lake And he took a different approach than John Morsi. He didn't buy off the citizens he just went directly to the politicians is and the officials and he bought them off. He opened up. Saratoga Springs once more to essentially now gangsters as opposed to gamblers. Arnold Rothstein Gene. The grandfather of the Mafia himself decided to move up to the town that had once been a gambling paradise and turn it into one again. He opened up the Brooklyn which was not only a place for gambling. became an all in one for illegal liquor betting and fine dining So is gambling grew. You started to see the gambling joint starting popping up around lake lonely and Sir totally. And that's why we like to determine the lake house so you have Riley's Lake House Newman's Lake House. The Arrowhead The Metal Brooke. So you have a twenty year period of that with high entertainment and the only glitz and glamour and they ran right through. Prohibition so prohibition actually also hopes their Saratoga because there was a lot of rum running through our city. We're right on the a direct route from Montreal. So runners would get illegal alcohol. Bring it down through either by plane or by vehicle. Greg Beach has a theory that Saratoga yeah really became the inspiration for all casino resorts since two of them and Mentor by Rothstein. Were the brains behind Las Vegas. That Meyer Lansky Bugsy Siegel took the rook model. Because it was an entertainment gambling resort. My theory is they took that model title and brought it to Las Vegas. So we wouldn't have LAS VEGAS. We didn't have the breakout Church Street Saratoga Springs. That's might not think we really summed up on Saratoga Springs history. History is all about and it's theirs to the main thing is we wouldn't be here without the spring water Spring we wouldn't have worse. We wouldn't have tourism without things that brought this developed the city which was horse racing And then the vices came along with it. which is his drinking gambling running? All of that helped us evolve into the city that we are now. This has been an audio boom original production hosted by me fleet cooper it is produced by Harry Sultan. Rachel Jacobs Blair Lear Peyton JC. Georgie and Karen Bevan the executive producers for audio boom are Brendan Reagan and Stewart last for more on the history of gangsters and casinos casinos in Saratoga Springs. Check out the three part series. The wheels keeps spinning wheels. KEEP SPINNING DOT com. Thanks to Sony's the trader best scenes and purple for sponsoring this episode. Follow Mafia on spotify apple podcasts. Or wherever you find find your favorite shows. Mafia will return with season four

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Saratoga Springs, Arnold Rothstein and the Mob

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Saratoga Springs, Arnold Rothstein and the Mob

"You are listening to gangland wire hosted by former Kansas City police intelligence unit detective Gary. Welcome while you worked out there. Don't forget to hit me up on Ben Mo- at Gangland wire by me a cup of coffee shot in a bears as times. I have on the line today on zoom. So we'll be on youtube as well as on the podcast here if you're listening on the podcast, a retired police officer. Greg Bates retired as a chief, a place of Saratoga Springs New York. is written two books about the dark seamy underbelly absurd togas brings Gregg welcome. Now, the first of your books is all of the law and the world won't stop them. The second was a gangster's paradise for you guys. WanNa go out. Let those books up on Amazon. We'll talk about them more later on. But I as all these listeners know Greg I'm retired copper too. So tell us a little bit about your career law enforcement. Gary Well, thanks for having me. I spent twenty five years enforcement. I started when I was twenty one years old started in. BURLINGTON. Vermont. Actually in beaten at work there for a short time before I got hired by the Sir Toby. Springs. Police Department and I'm born and raised Saratoga. Springs fifth-generation my family been there for five generations and. decided to go back home and become a police officer. Want to be you know regular routine patrol worked in the Narcotics Unit? For. Several. Years and. After about eleven years or so and patrol and narcotics I ended up you know working my way up the chain Assistant Chief, and then finally I became chief in two, thousand, twelve or two thousand thirteen was chief for six years, and then I retired last year so. Chief I think nationally, the average is three years ago. You did pretty good double the national average on being cheap ablaze and. I couldn't retire initially. So I had to wait till I get. Hit you gotTa gone. That was part of it for sure early. I enjoy it. Generations Togan work in my hometown. So go I just one point I decided, hey, there's more to life than being a police officer. Now decided to pull the plug pursue some other options well as all the listeners out there people that know me pretty well off a lot of them that I did the same thing after twenty five years I just decided I wanted to do something else. Maybe I should have done when I was younger I went to law school. Practice Law for I got into this creative endeavor, writing books and making documentaries. PODCAST. My mom always said, I never lived up to my attention when I was young. So I, I, think I find try to live up to mode Mike potential maybe that's what you're doing. Now, of course, you went above your potential became the chief of police I was only at Sergeant. Don't they say you always get promoted one step further than should have been. Made to sergeant one rank higher de thought I'd get I just always wanted to be a detective about they're dealing with bad guys on the street on the day to day basis. Then how maybe right log Greg List with your first book all the law in the world won't stop them. Now, what prompted you to get ended this history of Saratoga Springs on the surface of you don't know much about the history of it seemed like it's a nice sleepy little town but you do have a really well known racetrack there, which probably drew a lot of gamblers out of New York City. Tell us a little bit about the early days in Saratoga, springs, and probably during the prohibition. Times. Well, Saratoga has always been a destination town, the mineral springs, of course, back in the eighteen twenties, eighteen thirties, eighteen forties that really started to draw out of the wealthy visitors, not just from like New York and Boston but even as far away as south. Wealthy landowners from the south would come up to search springs mega relatively long story. Short a guy named John Morrissey who was the heavyweight bare knuckle boxing champion of the world came to Saratoga Springs and he is the one who built the racetrack long with a couple of other guys in the eighteen sixties. Now, Morrissey also ransom gambling joints down in New, York City and other parts of the country and their race track was so successful that it just brought more visitors to Saratoga Springs and eventually Saratoga had two largest. In the world at one, fifteen, hundred rooms right in the downtown area in John Morrissey figured will if I can get the people's money gambling during the day, I can also get their money gambling at night. So he built this wonderful gambling hall that still stands today it's in Congress car considered togas springs, and it was the most magnificent gambling hall in the country and you would have supreme court judges, national politicians, and the wealthiest people in the world would come to Sarah Goes Burns. He Event Morse eventually died in a man named Richard Canfield, took it over. They call it the Canfield casino today, it's owned by the city, and Canfield actually turned into an even better location. He bought the property around the area put some Italian Gardens in added a restaurant and they would call the place in Monte Carlo of America. So it was the place to come gamble one of the hotels call the porch, the million dollar mile where all the millionaires of the country would come do their business in the summer. So Saratoga had this reputation as being a wonderful occasion town amount of visitors came that spent money. There would sustain the town for the rest of the year and a lot of it was centered on the gamble. Now of course when you allow one person to gamble other people are GonNa want again. And make even a longer story short. Eventually, the town fathers said listen we can have the high end gambling at the Canfield casino, but we just can't have all these dives around town. So they started to shut down all the gambling places around town in the mayor had a gambling joint right on the main street. He got into a political battle with the state senator eventually lost the pressure they put on Canfield for him to give up in nineteen zero seven was his last year. Now I tell you all that to tell you this Saratoga then went clean for about ten years. Until Arnold Roasting. Leonard Winter again to get Arnold. Rothstein. It would be a natural. You know the big gamblers in New York City would look up to this Mecca of gambling it with all those rich people come at the end. It would just be a natural has guard drawing. Those guys is they can smell at buddy for miles hundreds of miles off. Yeah. Yes. So Rothstein he had been coming since one, thousand, nine, hundred, four. And he actually pawned his wife's jewelry in Saratoga Springs because he had a sure bet. He was he was married at the judge's house right in town and when he pawned his wife's jewelry, he went made the bat and then he went got his wife's jewelry. So I tell you that whole story about more seen. Canfield. Just to kind of set the stage because what they did for corruption and graft, they would pay the townspeople like they would donate to charities your church needed new steps. They would give you a check to fix it while you nor roasting he's not interested in that. So he just comes with a suitcase full of money in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventeen, he pays off all the politicians in the race NAPN allows him to. Open up a place on the Arrowhead in and he's so phenomenally successful that he tells everybody he's GonNa make everyone forget about canfield and Morrissey, and he builds a place called the brook and the Brook was a fabulous gambling joint with dining entertainment and gambling all one spot sort of like the resorts we see in. Las. Vegas today. Yeah. No I don't have any proof of this but I happen to think the Las Vegas model was born on Church Street circus brings because three of his underlings up incomers lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Dutch Schultz, they all worked for rusting when they were young men at the Brook. So maybe they took the business model and Lansky. Bugsy. Siegel may I think they might have took it out to las. Vegas really made a big. So, more and more. Rome. Yeah. You know another thing is after that in on up in the thirties all over the United States, they open these places called carpet joints, and this was kind of like to me like original carpet joining the carpet joint is usually a club the set just outside the city limits of a major city. We had a couple here Kansas City that. Would try to have high end dining and maybe a for show and then have gambling in a lot of the wealthy people come out the city gamble out there. They're always ran by a mob. Guys were here in Kansas City for sure. Usually the Jewish guys that were connected to the Italian guys but he died like Russ in Meyer Lansky. So it's Pioneered a lot of things sir toby's brains I have to wonder in Arkansas just south of Kansas City? You're about three hundred miles irs a place called. Arkansas they had mineral waters, mineral springs, drew people for that, and they also had racetrack. So then they started having illegal gambling joints in all of Arkansas most places were dry. It was that rigorous in the south, of course to have dry counties and most they counties were dry except hot springs and hot springs was wide open with alcohol and gambling and prostitution criminals would come to hide out there. I have a little Arnuhar not springs. It's exactly like Saratoga Springs witness any. Yeah I've heard that I don't know an awful lot about hot springs but you know in my research that name comes up I. Think Luchino had a connection with hot springs mateias heightened out remember the story exactly off the top of my head. But Yeah I've heard that the similarities between Hot Springs Arkansas in Saratoga Springs New York are kind of UNCANNY. Can you tell you a quick story about rosters associates up in Saratoga Springs might find this interest. So when Rothstein comes up to Sir togue and he pays off the officials that kind of opens it up for everybody. Some of his underlings opened up at place on South Broadway here in Saratoga Springs and they apparently didn't pay off the right people and they got raided by the police while the police brought all the evidence down to the station and the police chief decided that the safest place for this evidence was in jail cells in Saratoga Springs. So he lacks all the equipment and one of the jail cells overnight and when he's convinced at secure, he goes home while at ten o'clock the next morning, the gamblers who had their stuff teigen came to the back door, the station and a guy named Edward Carol Sergeant Edward Carol. Let's. Rings a monk to the jail cells unlocks it and they make off with all of their stuff. Now in the newspaper is right across the street from the station and they must have got tipped off as a reporter writes the whole story says it. It were running down the street and one of them trip to drop the poker chips all on the sidewalk though they scattered all over my head to pick them all up. So. Couple of interesting things about this is they steal the evidence right out of the police station and three weeks later, the police go rate another joint in sees back all of the evidence that was stolen from. Week. One of the guy, one of Ross teens underline things a guy named, Rachel? Brown. Was the headman at this place on. South. Broadway this raid took place in July of nineteen. Nineteen. Rachel Brown in September or October was part of the guys that fixed the nineteen nineteen world series he got indicted for fixing for the black socks game. So in Saratoga Springs before that black SOx scandal. There's some evidence that that conspiracy was sort of developed insert over springs at the Brook involving the guys including the manager of the Brook Ferocity. Those are the guys that got arrested they. So they were gambling in. Saratoga in July and by world series time you're in Chicago fixing. I thought that was kind of an interesting little coincidence. Yeah. I would say that that plot was hatched up there. A rusting was up there and other people connected to that. They had just hats at plot out overnight they had seven. Series of months and sort of had to send out the reformers to find out what players might be amenable to taking bribe who was mad and know those gamblers professional gamblers. They are constantly trying to get sources into professional sports. That's why they have such rigid rules about no association in joints. For example, they'll have a list of when they come to a city I know at one time with the posing teams. Came to Kansas City. There's a series of about five joints. It they were told do not go into those joints and of course, some of because we caught some of ability but but you know there's like an attraction kind of fast lifestyle, young athletes they got beautiful loose web and action and everything these joins. So it's always a problem that professional sports has the lookout or interesting interested started right there in. Saratoga Springs. Along those same lines, one of the top jockeys in the nineteen twenties was caught at the Brooke. And they told him, Hey, don't go in there again and he'd went there anyway. So they suspended him for the rest of the season. Yeah. That's another place back in those days when horse racing was a big deal, then didn't bet on football games back. Dan Did met on Basketball Games bet on baseball or it's racing or S- raising was huge. So having. Tentacles the ONA jockey or trainer to was that was a goldstone kind of person to have. So you could fix those races figure out who had the edge and a lot of those guys enjoyed the races I mean what? Luciano is a big fan of the races he would go there almost every day Rothstein actually owned a horse that one travers stakes, which is the big race appear in Saratoga Springs Al Capone and guy named Anthony Carfagno little, Augie Pizano they call them they had a stable up in Saratoga that he used to run for those guys. Interesting. Interesting thing about those times was the mobsters and culture upper class middle class culture really a wooded around each other today. It's a huge. No no, no get caught. You know if you want to be a politician or if you're in business, don't have some newspaper article come out somebody said you with the boss of the crime family or some politically connected politician to the crime family with you at some charity we have those guys back. Then there were all just different back then they mixed tally say, yeah I always say during my presentations when I talk about my book is. We do have to remember that it was different times rioter. P people really expect the same things on the police as they do today undercover work was virtually unheard of informants. You know informant public didn't generally approve of informed. So you know it was just different times and I tell people in Saratoga looked it worked for the gambling all those years Saratoga might a died as a community now because it brought so much money that it was able to survive and it almost did one after kief our came through. They had the investigation here up in Saratoga the count almost did it go under? So there's a lot of lean years in the fifties and sixties seventies in Saratoga Springs rich rebounded sends it again, it's a mecca of. Tourism again so I I didn't really realize that KIEF offer commission looked at the situation in Saratoga Springs I didn't really realize that. We're jumping way forward. Now that's true. We've gone from all. Right. So let's play a little bit. Okay. Prohibition comes allow. What happens during prohibition? There's even more money to be made by rusty and all these guys are already ensconced and have joints and everything it. So now prohibition unless you're halfway between New York City and Canada so there had been action probation. ranked. So Saratoga Springs is essentially the midpoint between New York City in Montreal in it sits right on the bootleg trail, which it interstate eighty seven is what you can see on a map today but there's a smaller road that was the primary roads called route nine, and that was the bootleg trail allowed people don't know this but northern New York specially in the early years. Of Prohibition made more arrests more seizures than any other district in the country because that liquor was just flowing over the border from Montreal in Quebec and certainly sits go ahead Greg I have an idea the state of New York should have some historical markers and mark out the bootleg trail Brown handed from the border down to New York City that would be interested wouldn't it? I think they should I think I just had that thought. I have these thoughts jumping by I. GotTa get him out. So the bootleg trail comes right through Saratoga Springs and actually ran right directly behind the police station. So all of that liquor came down the local community kind of develop their own organized crime group here in Saratoga and was led by guy named Louis Farrakhan, and he had influence in Saratoga up to the border over to like UTICA area. So upstate ADIRONDACKS, area, New York He. Was Pretty Powerful. It kind of kept the violence out of Saratoga Springs with few exceptions though in the twenties during Prohibition Nats when Lansky Luchino Joe Don us when those guys started to come up and they started taking interests in these gambling places. So like you were talking about in Kansas City on the outskirts of town, they would have these carpet joints while Saratoga. Springs city. Is Actually, thirty two square miles but the downtown is just a small harbour, which is where all of the people live out by Saratoga, which is still within the city they built a bunch of carpet joints like you said. So they had the benefit of having the city police in their pocket, but they were sort of five or ten miles outside of town where they could kinda gamble in be left alone in these plush joins and at the time they were spending. Hours eight hundred, hundred and fifty thousand dollars on raids for these essentially barnes that they're turning into casinos. So they had about six or five or six gambling joints out by the lake netware the the mob guys really came in and started taking an interest in the twenties and thirties insert who springs guy mentioned. Little Augie Pisano he ended up being a one of the capital regimes in genevieve's crime family into the nineteen fifties he was assassinated in nine, fifty nine near the Guardia air four he rose through the ranks in the twenties when. He was first getting started and Surco he ended up shooting nightwatchmen at one of the late houses police, chase them all through town recover the gone, but they never could convict him. So his early years in Saratoga, he was trying to take over one of the places he kinda got thought off a little bit but he came back and he had an interest for a little while inserted Toga but we lansky was smart. He didn't come in guns a blazing they came down with the money they took their share out of these different places. So. That's about Franken Delo. Did he have any interest there? He did have an interest up in Saratoga springs his y'all know Copa Cabana nightclub in New York City. Yeah. And when summertime came the summer season in Saratoga, his staff would come up and they would staff the Piping Rock Club. Okay. So the Piping Rock Club was sort of the crown jewel of the the mobs casinos up in Saratoga. So Frank Style, Joe Don, Meyer Lansky they all headed. They don't have come along with our local by natural. Each person would get a little payoff hundred but Castelo, he didn't come to total allies far as I can tell. During the keep our hearings. He did. He did admit that he bankrolled it and he took a fifty fifty interests in the profits from the Piping Rock. Okay all during prohibition, there were making more and more money. It sounds like and they had open rain tale facilitate the movement of alcohol down to New York City. So it was the booming thing during prohibition and during the Depression Depression much. Yeah. They continue to gamble through the twenties and thirties. Let's kind of more of a local story than a interest to a wide audience but the local politicians and local police chief they were always turning a blind eye to what was going on but it was so obvious I can tell you two quick stories about Alex Sorta, work in Sir Toby Springs Remember, the guy told you Sergeant Ed Carroll. Who let the gangsters in in they stole their While the next year, they appointed him chief of police that. So he was chief of police for about a year and then he got ousted another guy was a guy named detective chief rocks, Patrick Rocks, he was a detective when they did it by accident I call accidentally they did raid because it were driving around the outskirts of town and they came to the typing? Rock Club. And it wasn't supposed to be open because nobody had made the payoff you. So they saw the lights on in the cops went in and they discovered all these people gambling. Well, detective rocks got sent over to bring all the evidence to secure the evidence and bring it back in when he got there, there were four roulette wheels when he got to the station, there was only one. So. They gave him as to bring the other three roulette wheels back to. The station on. Back then. I beg right effort. So they gave him ten days in when he didn't they fired him. Now. The only problem with this is that between the time they fired him and the next year, there was an election. And the Commissioner of Public Safety. Reappointed him to be a police a month after he got fired for. Kindling stuff. At the I'm sorry. It was Riley Lake House wasn't hybrid rock. was in any event you know he he only brings one wheel when he's supposed to have three, he gets fired and they just make them chief of. Police. And he stays chief for another fifteen years. Fifteen, years wow. Oh Yeah. He stayed right through. Keith Oliver. So we damn they must not have had a new broom sweep clean like we did in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, eight, and thirty nine. We had a whole shift and fired almost every placement we had. You know appointed a new chief, a place new border police commissioners said everybody in the city gover was new. So bow then of course, the war comes along and then after the war able to get started again and keep off her but. By. Then keep offer comes along and exposes all add jerk. The gamblers have been searching everybody knew what was going on you know it's not like Meyer Lansky was hiding. He was going out to its place Joel. Donna's was eating his meals at the piping rock every day all throughout the forties Luchino was in the Chicago Club Saratoga we have pictures of him getting shaves by local barber you know. So people knew what was going on just nobody lifted a finger to stop it through the forty S. And then in the late forties, two things happen e state police and an undercover guy to come in and make a survey, not an investigation but a survey of what was going on. And then one of our local guys that was running a horse room. He lost a lot of money that his wife had given him to start a taxi cab business you went and gambled and lost it all. She wrote to the governor. Saying, these are all the places that are open. What are you GONNA do about? Well right about this time. Keith Oliver was having their garrisons down in New York, city and somebody mentioned Saratoga. So when you read. Evolves book he says so we shined our spotlight on Saratoga and we uncovered basically a Cesspool of organized crime and gambling up in Saratoga N- that's where you really had some of the testimony about Joanna's and Meyer Lansky Frank Castillo all being involved by that time you Jonah had been deported. So he was not really part of that in Saratoga anymore they uncovered all of these connections to the mob to the local politicians the lease. They discovered that the police were actually transporting the money the nightly winnings from the casinos to the bank every night. Now the chief went publicly said, listen I'd rather have the cops bringing this money in and not have robberies. As opposed to letting them try to try to move their money themselves so. As a practical matter I guess he was right because they aren't very many robbery right right here. We just have a few guys that I do. This was not the position of glad I wasn't, but they didn't see anything wrong with it in the seventies. Never clubs with you know Your District Man Working Doug Dogwoods Club would close at one thirty in the morning and they'd give him like bucks. If they swing by pick up the proceeds, go put him in the night deposit big no, no but a Lotta guys that so. Another interesting parallel I'd just read. I was reading a nose Kansas City star article right after the war around the KIEF offer time probably a little bit before in our state Liza Missouri did the same thing they sent a couple of troopers undercover in Kansas City just to hang out in the different joy and they reported you know what they were seeing and they'd ask who was who they started picking up named I. Go outside and pick up license numbers. Cards is like I did that myself in on upper seventies and eighties and they did that kind of work just like you're talking about the figure out who was who and what was the extent of bisecting in Kansas City on the state level and then keep off came along gotTa feeling throughout the whole united. States that that probably went on I'll have to take a look at that. The key thing really kind of exposed the rottenness of it. All Yeah and Keith Alvarez, not a criminal investigation. So nobody's going to jail for any revelations and you keep oversee you gotta have a local your grand jury gets convened happens in Saratoga that runs for about five years. They clean up all the gambling actually Meyer lansky goes to jail the Saratoga. County jail think he got a nine month sentence the only time he went to prison his whole I realize that. I think it was sense to nine months here. Maybe he did six something like that. Interesting. To have a movie come out about Marlon T. Harvard tells gonNA play Meyer Lansky that'll that'll be. A good movie. Yeah I didn't notice. They came up to Saratoga though. They May. Probably not. But, I know how they can. I don't know how they can avoid that. Well, we'll have to watch for that movie and see how accurate it is. I don't see how. It was a big part of the making of the mob in the United States because it was such a big profit center but so integral to the prohibition and gambling. Route the whole United States. Yeah I grew the. Kid growing up I didn't know any of this stuff. I just kind of new Saratoga as. What I knew it as a kid who was little bit depressed from younger. But then the tourism came back and now we're a thriving city. I didn't know any of this stuff but. There's some fascinating stories. There are some shootouts that I talk about in the wanted legs diamonds drivers was shot and dumped into hospital he's survived. So nobody remembers him we have a connection to the Montreal Mafia. In my opinion, there was a murder and Saratoga Springs in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six that the Canadian mafia waited ten years over ten years to get revenge on this guy while it's kind of an interesting story I don't know if we have time to talk about it it's sort of interesting to Saratoga native he's kind of a local gangster. Yen's of getting involved in nineteen twenty, one in a bank robbery will they rob a messenger car? A Bank Messenger Car Montreal, there's a shootout. One of the gangsters is killed. One of the Bank messengers is killed into large conspiracy of the top men in Montreal mafia will the guy from Saratoga he gets arrested on this robbery. And he testifies against the four guys who ended up going to the gallows over this robbery murder and so the Saratoga Guy, his name is Adam Perello he spends. Eleven or twelve years in jail for his part in the crime he's released in August. He comes back to Saratoga. Springs. Gunned down in September shot full of holes dumped at the hospital so and it's kind of a long too long probably to tell on A. It's a fascinating story. Tokyo loudest to get these books. Gun, running out of time here Greg. But now that your second one gangster's Paradise GonNa, give us an overview of that. Will Gangster's paradise is the story of the gamblers and Gangsters Insert Toga Springs from prohibition Kief over. Still. The first book is kind of historical look at frankly more interest of your from Saratoga and it has the story about Ross team, but it really tells more about circle is history a gangster's paradise cells. There's a chapter in there about fixing horse races how they used to do. It tells the story of the white houses gambling with Lansky in Joel Donnas. Fellow tells the story of the Kief our committee and the local investigation tells about that murderer the guy from Montreal and then there's a chapter in there. That's all about the various guys that came in during the time that they didn't necessarily own a share the casinos. Only Madden would come here. He's on the cover of the book. FBI's public enemy number one he was chased through Saratoga Springs Alvin carpets at the time the two guys that. Offered to be go-betweens the kidnappers in the underworld. If necessary, those two guys always used to vacation in Saratoga, I kinda tell their little bit of their stories. So that that's what gangster's paradise is. It tells all about prohibition with focus on Saratoga, springs and sort of. Prohibition agents, some of the stories that every community I think has these where the prohibition agents would go in and then the neighborhood would. Sight them off the locate local police would have to go in and rescue from the local speakeasy. So. It's kind of. What gangster's paradise is it's sort of a description of west Saratoga like this. The shootout very shootouts. House gets blown up like I said lakes diamonds driver he was shot dead hostile stuff like that. Sounds like a couple of great books tell you one thing you have a lot of good pictures in it and everything's footnoted tributes sources. So you accurate information, where'd you get all those pictures? Is that local society or something snag all those Dentistry Jim Writers to resources while three really resources. Saratoga Springs City historian has a good collection of just general. Saratoga. Photos. Now, the library has whole collection on gambling and then the search experience History Museum. They have a lot of really good photos to us if you're interested in Zirkin burnout that my sources and. As a know about the sources like I said, Sarah Toga Guy, the murder of by the Mafia that I mentioned before like that remains unsolved nobody was ever chart while somebody was charged for that but acquitted but remain south everybody in Saratoga Springs as a story they were connected to that murder all all of us who are go back a couple of generations. You'll even even my own family. My story is that my grandfather was in the car when he was shot L.. Yeah I knew that story since I was five years old by the time I figured out what it was. My grandfather is nowhere near. So one of the things that I made sure I did was I made sure that I can point to a source other than a local roam. The More colorful if I use local. Stories but. I try to keep it to what's on the record so You know what's true? We like that God, I'd say you know we never let the facts get we have a good story but. Oh, well, anyhow, they're great books you can find them on Amazon Dot Com I'm sure you have a website also IBM. My website is gangsters of Saratoga Dot Com. Yeah. A lot of information those pictures and things are folks you ought to go visit that website find out more about these books. You could probably order MAPA website here in order off the website if I could just plug a local bookstore called North Shire Dot Com. Okay. I know our T. H. S. H. I. R. E. North Shire Dot Com. Really, my local partner in these times were all trying to shop local, right? So you can order their website too correct. Yeah. I think they have free shipping too. So okay who appreciate folks are GonNa go are great books are really interesting may be an addition anybody's election of my books. I have. facebook pages, one gangland wired ones this gangland wire come a private group just for fans and you guys out there. If you listen to the podcast look for by gang-land wire crime stories, which is a private group which I just let people in that fans not the general public. So you'll get those crazy ass competence and everything on. But I get pictures of People's collection of Bob Book and you guys have collections a mob books and I, have my own over here you can see over the just part of. The Clintons mob books would be a great addition to your collection. In really interesting stories about the start of the national mob of the We talk about the Commission Atlantic City and no lab. But a whole lot of these people were first getting together and making money up there at Saratoga Springs because there was money to be made up there wasn't there greg. There was a ton of money a ton of money to be made everybody Sharon sugar like. And all those rich people came up during the summertime and go to racist. Whatever and take the waters as they used to say, we forget that was such a big deal to go take the water. That's why I'd springs is such a big deal. We've got another Eric houser sprint in Kansas. City this supposedly capone gate down visited and I. Bet they had a gambling casino. They're just not really delve into that. We had the carpet joints here the. Day really colorful time in our history Greg Beach has documented really well in these two books all the law in the world won't stop them, and the second one is a gangster's paradise. Greg I appreciate you coming on the show and we will let you know when I get this out of ib a couple three four. We've got some stuff already scheduled out there, but you gotta get ended in yet ready to put out. Gregory. Thanks. Thanks for having these talking any less things. Any last words you want to say air? Listen all. 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In The Gate #440 - Cultured Pearl

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In The Gate #440 - Cultured Pearl

"Don't let winter boss around your car's engine use pennzoil synthetic motor oil made from natural gas. Not Crude oil gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is is in the pennzoil based on sequence four aware tests using sap five W. thirty. It is one of the most beautiful spots in the a Western Hemisphere one where my wife I honeymoon twenty one years ago in nineteen ninety eight and it's now the unlikely home of a notable thoroughbred race track but the the story of horse racing on the island of Saint Lucia is somewhat controversial. Will examine the Pearl of the Caribbean. Plus we're going to have a history lesson about Burtt. Yes dirt before we know where we might be headed with racetrack surface technology. We need to know where we've been so we'll talk about the history of dirt on this edition. She didn't indicate the dates. There ought to be did has this is in the gate. ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams you. You can follow me on twitter at Abrahams voice or on facebook at Barry. Abrams boys you can also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate. podcast you can get us on soundcloud as well get us the I tunes store or tune in Dot Com. You can get us on stitcher and that Little Pink Pied Catcher APP or wherever you get your podcast and now you can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the gate experience. Subscribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. Roughly three years ago in November of two thousand in sixteen the Prime Minister of Saint Lucia Alan chastain a joint Prince Harry now the Duke of Sussex and Taylor King Chairman of the China Horse Chris Club at a groundbreaking ceremony for a would be new race track not to heighten expectations or anything but the track would be called the Pearl of the Caribbean. It would sit on seven hundred acres of relatively undeveloped land at the southern end of the island and alongside the track would be a casino resorts a marina shopping and even high end residential areas. Tao's design company Desert Star Holdings would build it all. Das H had designed and built the palatial May don race course in Dubai where the Dubai World Cup is now held. The original hope was to open in December for of two thousand seventeen. Then it became two thousand eighteen and finally the track is now open this month with the signature race. The one hundred fifty thousand dollar Piton Cup being run on the island's National Day among those involved in the Piton Cup which is named for the mountains that are Saint Lucia signature pitcher landmark are winstar farm todd pletcher and Saul Kumon pretty big names since over. Sixty percent of Saint. Lucia economy comes from tourism arisen. The idea of a race meet comprised of shippers from other countries make sense but for every benefit in life. There is a cost and and one keen observer of the socioeconomic. History of Saint. Lucia says that this deal is not at all what it's cracked up to be. Dr Anderson Reynolds is a native of Fort Saint Lucia who was educated here in the United States. He has a PhD in food and Resource Economics from the University of Florida. Talk Reynolds writes frequently about these socioeconomic history of Saint Lucia and. He joins US here on in the gay to talk about what the average race fan doesn't know about the deal to to build the Pearl of the Caribbean. By the way we should point out that we had reached out to a representative of Desert Star Holdings in China Horse Club to get their version of this deal. They politely declined to join us. So Dr Reynolds first of all one of the big issues is the cost of the land and who pays for it you write that. Some of the land will be sold at less than half its market value while other parts of the complex will be leased for just one dollar for ninety nine years ears but I could name you numerous deals where land is leased for a dollar for a number of years the city of Newark New Jersey for example is spending twenty seven million dollars. There's over thirty years to rent a parking lot that it sold for one dollar as part of a sports deal with the National Hockey League's New Jersey devils. So what bothers you so much about this. Deal for the land in Saint Lucia where you walk ride the right This is an instrument that governments use ATTRAC- investments. But one of the concerns is if it is not clear to us what we are getting from such a generous concession because there are new provisions in the agreement for local UH investment participation there is no provision for a the solutions to investors in that development. Also if you look at that aspect relation you you could say yes. This is the trend. Would write for government attracted investments. But when you look at this aspect of it along with I don aspects of the agreement there is feeling that this whole up there is just out of luck of a spirit of generosity. It gives them impression that this would be meant and the developer. He's there simply to extract from the country without giving given much because because I thought when it comes to somebody's country through stop these development projects that they would come. We've spirit of interesting. I mean you come into my country to that up to invest. I would send you to call me I of generosity but if you read the there is no such such feeling of generosity so it is it is not what other benefits to us of such a development appropriate now. The newly formed Royal Turf Club of Saint Lucia will own the Pearl of the Caribbean. So where does that fit in first of all with what you described as a spirit of generosity well about this kind of considerations it is not clear who is going to own what there is a cloud over much. The only reason why We have some sense of the agreement was because got somebody leaked the agreement on which I'm quoting it wasn't out. We would have been in the dock respected details. She is so we got what you said of. Who is going to own what it is never clear who would be the actual onus back? According to the agreement to your arcane developer will establish. Your House struck a chord into the agreement. That'd be up. I would own the truck that line will basically be given developer or Obstructions in the development has to be removed moved by government at cost government has to bring all infrastructure required government has to provide infrastructure at cost. That'd be fun. Invest some of his own money in the building of the awesome struck but that money spent will have to be refunded government. Who'd asked to pay back all of that money that up Put in Hudson struck and on top of that the whole scheme that would would be better than skin will be funded by finish and passports. But he threw it would be. That would be responsible for selling solution. fastballs overseas and developer will put that money in an escrow and use that money at his discretion requirement. Is that at the time of redrawing from dot escort. He incomes government. That jolly sticking. Yeah I wanted just back up a second and make our listeners. Aware air of what. This situation is so tale. King of the China Horse Club owns the company that has developed and built the track. And I say or that because another issue you have with this deal. Is that the only pledge made by the developer is for the race track part of the complex. The rest of of it you write is dependent upon the Saint Lucian government attracting other investors as you mentioned and the way to attract other investors is by selling selling Saint Lucien passports. Can you just explain for our listeners. What is involved in the government selling a passport? which sounds like a weird weird concept when you know? I'm in it is that's been where through. INVESTMENT MONEY'S CITIZEN INVESTMENT TO CALL IT FOR CIT citizen investment so basically truck foreign investment to the country. The government says Sandwich citizenship to foreigners basically setting their passports. I didn't return these investors Invest Lucia. I never different categories of investment and since this President Administration came to power they reduced the requirement to get passports. So as almost half the money you have to invest to get this administration half the amount and relaxed oversight and the the requirements if you simply want to get a passport that's option you got you got a hundred thousand. US which goes into the Development Fund that gives you a path one hundred thousand dollars that you have to invest in the National Economic Fund of Saint Lucia. Yes it's coming in as individuals to invest In terms of has and so on did you have about three hundred thousand you up an investment of about pre hundred thousand. US Senate. Has I scene two hundred thousand that it was two hundred thousand and the government lowered that to one hundred thousand. Is that right yes. You're talking about the first category where you're just simply given the government your money we government puts into an economic fund. And you don't have no benefits. That's fun so busy simply directly buying up at school that got to gory of car in the passport is coming into actually invest. And of course you will be I'm rippin the proceeds from that investment. So far these. I'm not that copy very the month you have to invent is three hundred thousand dollars plus okay. I want our audience to keep those numbers in mind when we get to our chat with Eden Harrington of the China Horse Club coming up after the break but Saint Lucius form of government is a parliamentary democracy similar to England. The British and French alternated control of the island until it won its independence in nine hundred seventy eight. There's a prime minister. Alain Chasta as we mentioned and two houses of parliament did parliament approve. This deal if not. How did it get done? Well you know that ruling the majority so if I take on the way so that basically it. So basically basically the government structured the ruling patterns can Biscotti Iblin. Whatever it wants? How polarized our politics takes in Saint Lucia Extra Newport arise everything folly excited from the very minute activity to in terms of one's ability to get jobs if forty two car government contracts even very small contracts? He's he's dead along political lines. I mean everything is reported Toco. We're talking here on in the gate with Dr Anderson Reynolds an expert in the socio economic history of the island of Saint Lucia. Where the Pearl of the Caribbean Racetrack Complex will soon host? Its first major thoroughbred race. The Piton Cup on December fourteenth according to average salary survey DOT COM. Who even knew there was such a thing? The average annual salary made by someone and living in Saint Lucia is under twenty eight thousand dollars a year in. US dollars so with the numbers. We just discussed one hundred thousand in two hundred thousand or three hundred thousand dollars of investment needed. What do residents of Saint Lucia feel about this project? Okay Eh Dusko backup. The average salary is much lower than twenty thousand. US dollars in fact twenty thousand. US dollars will be like almost like like the upper end of salaries in San Lucia so for example somebody from says degree in the educational system teaching would be making about two thousand you as as two thousand dollars. A month is above the average salary in San Lucia saw. ooh Twenty eight thousand dollars a month. I think the average salaries well below that but go ahead will nonetheless given the income situation situation. What do the residents of Saint Lucia feel about this project? Well what response depends on what out of the country to pull from those who are not from they mediate diversity of your ex particularly those living in the customer's sees these investment project is We have the island that we of developing the south of the island which lots to be. Hang the north in development so so some people see as a great opportunity that country on fom the WHO economic landscape put you in the south of the item some seats. It does leave it from you. Because the whole protest groups have been established to oppose some of the conditions that came along with initiative these people will see as a loss of sovereignty and Brahmin does the gradation give one entity on monopoly really over the wealth of the country. The government relax passport requirements. Remove these requirements for citizens of China so potentially the developer consider as many parts as required to complete the development and so it may be possible maybe for example they can set four thousand forty thousand passports which means an additional forty thousand citizens to Lucia. Our population is about one hundred and seventy thousand and the population of the tongue of you for whether people have been taken place is under ten thousand so the development as what is on paper is of social and economic dislocation and it can change the political landscape of the island. But let me ask you to see no one was. The host. Thrift struck puts it because I was president of the Tourism Development Corporation entity in view fought and we will actively lobbying on pushing fall hoster struck in Buford because we we do have Hospitals and often have been going on by local Hoffman. So reading what people are concerned about is the terms and conditions of the whole development. Not just a horse racing track but the whole development they can they can as a whole meaning the marinas and the Casino and the other parts that are proposed. Yes because if this happens the developer would have an economic monopoly police on the island because they will control the best part of the reenlisted on the island the tide. We've the China Construction Company. Which of course is funded by the Bank of China so rarely construction Mike Prom on the China Construction Company and now he's through so they would be most likely doing most of the construction? They will be involved. I think in the development development of the airport and seaport so ready you visit Cook Inlet. You allow the Chinese monoply on the island so it is probably not picked. Put such a large chunk of the economic activity in the south of the island into one Hans. So that's another problem people. Have you've been up. Meant to play. Devil's advocate Dr Reynolds. I mean over. Sixty percent of the island's economy comes from tourism resorts resorts that are owned by major international. Conglomerates what is different about this complex where a different I found most of the hotels that have been established by funds from outside that developers. Coming money and DIPA hotel. That's one that's different too. You have many of those hotels by different owners. Of course Sundays. Hotel is Has Free of properties owned by one entity and these properties are largely in the north of the island but there are many. The hotel is different. ONA's so what you do for is that you have on the one owner she offered strack. WHO ATTEND UNSEE part development? It's constantly new marina. All of this whole thing. According to the agreement would be one entity. So that's a big departure and also you gotta aspects of the agreement. Has that much although the generous offers what do you mean. Well I mean it is like to who me for example the London for one hundred years but every single aspect of this. I should mention that'd be gone for For us and Developed estimates that it may take food feeling Donahue Developmentally might take maybe twenty five years so then we put all those ones in the hundred developer around for twenty five years. I is that developed the land but will not be available to any any other entity for development. So that's different from the hotel is coming Secure the site of a lund. I'm there with You know your to start operating every different to develop the edge developments. I don't Wanna get ahead of myself off too much. But I know when we have Eden Harrington of the China Horse Club on after the break one of the things he's going to say is that Desert Star Holdings the developer has put up whatever money it is put up so far to build the track that the government of Saint Lucia has not put up one dime yet and that it is up to the government to bring in these other investors. So what are your thoughts about that. Well that's true the government. I meant both prime minister. I'm the agreement signed by the Prime Minister. The prime minister has gone on television to go recommended. See that all the money's you walking will be spending on the truck will be refunded back to him from eighty cents from the investment fund. Yeah so clearly. You're talking you've been using his money in fact he's dropped a blend in his money for at this initial stage of their development money. You'll be getting back to learn that this is just. He's money being spent because I went into the agreement infrastructure examples every that has to be condemned because he's improving the area of development. That's government costs. I mean there is the official from hot to be condemned not cost the government on both as you'll find there was an abattoir. Funded by Taiwanese Taiwanese funds that because they've been encompass it means that's about to be put down that am use it for other purposes all these across to the government no activities that government is actually funding out of their pockets right now but clearly even as we speak the up and coming tremendous cost to the government. Both Kinda in kind cost. Dr Anderson Reynolds is a socio-economic expert in Saint Lucia. Thank you so much for a few minutes. Dr Do very much five Amelia program. As as we said at the beginning we invited a representative of Desert Star Holdings and the China Horse Club to come on the show and share their side of this situation. They politely he declined. So when we come back here on the gate we're going to change gears and give you a history of dirt at least dirt in American horse racing before we know where the sports might be headed in terms of race. Track surface technology. 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Among among other things the safety of racing surfaces there are three main types of track surfaces and use in the sport conventional dirt manmade dirt known sonal synthetic and grass or turf earlier this year the Jockey Club revealed that the rate of horse fatalities was markedly higher on conventional channel dirt than on either synthetic or turf turf. One point two won't fatalities per thousand starts synthetic dirt one point two three free dirt. One point eight six so you as the listener might say well. The numbers are obvious we have to go to turf and synthetic like only and get rid of dirt but as our cherished Espn College football analyst Lee Corso so often exclaims not so fast. My friend and before we talk about where the sport might be headed in terms of racing surfaces. We need to know where we've been and to help with that. We welcome back here to win the gate after far too long an absence. The Dean of Horse Racing Journalists the Great Gary West who I understand was there when the very first dirt track in the United States was built. Hilton what is now Brooklyn New York in eighteen twenty one. You remember the union race. Course don't you Mr West. Went there many times. Yes yes it had the The skinned of course I think they called it meaning. It was a dirt track and it was a novelty by the way until then the racing had all been on the grass surfaces at the turn of the century. There were about three hundred race tracks in America and these racetracks distracts. I wanted to be needed to be located near the population. You're all these people that suddenly were fascinated with horse race and and that meant they had to be located near the city or in the city by nineteen twenty. Certainly the majority of Americans have moved. Our we're living in in the city and we were making a transition from an agrarian society in an agrarian economy to industrial economy. Auditing and these racetracks in the city of course had surfaces because they were easier to maintain and you could race on them repeatedly pedley and you also train on train enraged something so the need to be close I think to the population into this this New found fan base was largely the reason for the proliferation of tracks and almost to the exclusion of AH turf racing at some point in the mirror and you know John Morrissey way down the Saratoga media and in eighteen sixty three. They raised on the trotter course. In of course that was dirk course and the reason they raise their when Mile Ohio from the city as opposed to further out in what might be regarded more pastoral area was John Morrissey own several a casino in town and he wanted to keep the people right there so they would go to casinos and enjoy the entertainments authored by the city. So there a number of reasons or the race tracks who got dirt surfaces rather than Turkey course. I just want to back up one second because obviously Asli American racing came from British racing. British racing runs almost exclusively on turf. There are hundreds of race racetracks throughout England that are not far from major metropolitan areas. Where you run three days in one place and then five days in another? Because it's like you said you you have to let the turf course recover. Why didn't that kind of assistance take root here? Well keep in mind those racetracks in England in throughout Europe that now seem clogs to population centers. Weren't close necessarily when they they were established. Mass transit has reduced distance for any person going to anywhere in the country. Certainly and that includes includes people going from London you market but I think the main reason that didn't occur here was that there was no room or the sport timmy. Certainly many aristocrats in America were involved in racing as we all go but there was an imperative at American restaurants to make them economically efficient. And it wasn't just a matter of one man saying my horses faster new orders and let's go out to newmarket downs and ground if that statement is true or not moreover I will bet on it. You know that's what racing racing was all about up until the mid nineteenth century. Andrew Jackson made a fortune betting on trucks to His famous horse and most most of those races were match races such as eclipse against Sir History and in Lexington Against Lecomte they were match rates and and and that kind of racing was no longer economically efficient and it became economically necessary. I think to have dirk courses. As opposed to exclusively of course are now that explains the early twentieth century. And that's why we have Gary West on because nobody has a perspective like he does but even in my lifetime back in the eighties few race tracks in North America held any maiden races on turf horses that were bred for grass. I would still have to start on dirt. What made for that kind of almost exclusive bias? This late in the game. Well I can remember when many reg extracts the didn't even have of course and those transit did have a have one of course it was difficult to maintain because of course every time you ran on it you to some degree damaged it and so only the best horses got to run on the turf but that has changed. I think we learn how to maintain that sort of courses and there's more and more restaurants such as go stream park and Belmont have multiple turf. Of course it's only component and they can move the rail in and out to create a turf course that has more sustainable but that that wasn't possible in. I don't the people that necessarily up until I don't know maybe the nineteen sixties. I know it wasn't long ago when you would move a horse I to the turf as a last resort most of the rich racist and American. There's a strong economic incentive here to run their most host of the rich races are on the dirt most of the best horse race on the third. And so. That's that's where the money is. And that's where you go you only type of turf. If you've proven group can't make the money on the third that changed. I suppose it could cite the two million as in one of those turf races that that changed the game and in convinced people that there was to be made on the grants people also stealing or the history of producing turf runners are more attractive have been Nebraska then and and now today of course you find the game change completely some racetracks almost as many racist on the turf as the earth and indeed betters have come to real ups arguably that turf racine is is to their benefit that EH surface us better than Dirk. In fact I've made myself. The races have larger fields payoffs generally are greater and in the the racist based on average winning margin The racism contentious who competitive therefore signing so turf racing I think is is gaining momentum asking momentum in this country and Any any new racetrack. If you can imagine such a thing would be wise to take multiple Turkey courses. Wait a new race. Did you say new racetrack. You put those two words in the same sentence right if you imagine such a thing. Yes I it's it's difficult to imagine anyone trying such a venture these days but if you were to do that if you were designed to design a new race you have multiple turf courses. Certainly the the other reason I've yet to figure out why turf racing was so prejudiced against back in the day is because Americans I think more than Europeans are obsessed with speed where Europeans value staying durability and turf races run run faster than dirt so why horsemen didn't take to turf in this country also surprises me. Well I I think that has something to do. Do with our cowboy culture the first quarter horse race or at least the first phrase one that is specified distance of a quarter mile was I I think. Eighteen seventy four five in Virginia and they raised on the city streets at St obviously and the quarter mile. It seemed like a good distance because it was a distance that these horses that were used on ranches excelled at and that had something to do with the preference for rate dirt surface and certainly something to do a lot to do with the preference for speed because the horses that were most admired. Weren't the horses that could run five miles hostesses generally but the horses that could run the quarter-mile very quickly and don't forget. The steamed or bread was very popular in America. EVAC back the most popular horse in the country in the last half of the nineteenth century was her name Lady Clifford who is also known As the old grey mayor in song mechanic that Lady Suffolk da the old grey mayor and song. Muslims resource almost savings horse in American last last year from nineteenth century. She won almost a hundred races since you once race at Saratoga and attracted a crowd of thousands and of course they raised on a dirt. Course the immortal Gary West joins us here on the gate. He's not quite as old as dirt but the history of dirt racing in this country is the topic so in one thousand nine hundred sixty five. The first I man made track a synthetic which was called Tartan track was tested at Laurel Racecourse in Maryland. And then the next year nineteen sixty six. It was is used for real at Tropical Park in Miami. What do you remember about that experiment? Well remember the early experiments with artificial artificial surfaces were at more admirable than successful. The artificial surfaces tend to to break down giving the the heat and the weather conditions if it were cold the material with congenial and gather together and create clumps but surfaces have come a long way and at this point. I think you know we have arrived at a time when the artificial surfaces certainly safer than most courses and would be I think welcome as training transit. Nothing else many any of those owners and trainers at Tropical Park refuse to run on that rubberized surface on rubberized surface. It was only one race day that was carted there now. We start in the modern era as you mentioned nineteen eighty-seven with poly track which was installed at the Training Center for legendary British British trainer. Richard Hannon senior. It was made of sand and recycled carpet recycled rubber and even SPANDEX SPANDEX index ladies as well as shredded newspaper that was covered with a waxy coating and then the next year in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Remington Park. In Oklahoma became the first track in the the United States to go synthetic installed something called Equa track that lasted a grand total of three years. Similar story with the California tracks. Keeneland and experiment wasn't long lived at any of them and now only five North American synthetic tracks remain. Now here's the question. How much of that pushback by horsemen? Then and now was the typical. This is how we do it meaning dirt because this is how we've always done it and how much was a legitimate problem with synthetics addicts. Great Question I think most most of it had to do with the The horsemen resisting. Change I remember the the Remington Park track very clearly and in that over difficulties they are even the poly track was installed. I A Kenyan NFL TURF way. It was very susceptible to changes in weather and complained about that. But I think what they they were really complaining about more than anything was the the change that this surface Brought to their lives and into the way they train their horse no doubt there were many problems with the synthetic surfaces. All of them Daikin recall all of them that I saw but I think in time it could have worked it out and I think in town the surfaces have gotten better and better you can conversely makes the argument that if if the dirt surfaces or giving the same amount amount of selling say scientific and technological attention they could be nearly as safer just to say is the as synthetic surfaces surfaces. And maybe so I don't know but We've arrived at a point where we can. We can make racing surfaces very very safe. And that's something sports should applaud and it should approach very conscientiously and and cut no corners In that regard well we mentioned the fatality fatality rate by surface in our open across the country. It's turf one point. Two zero fatalities thousand starts synthetic dirt one point point two three dirt one point eight six that said Churchill. This spring lost three horses in three thousand one hundred hundred forty eight starts between dirt and turf a rate of zero point nine five. It's best rate since two thousand ten so in the big picture of racing surface. Let's talk some of which came up recently at the global symposium in Arizona. What those numbers mean to you? Well no no number. No fatalities is acceptable Eh. But it means we're making progress Certainly Churchill's progress and I think if these surfaces are are managed and maintained with diligence in intelligence. We can make things as safe as possible Horses despite despite with with some might believe most is one to rich if you would turn them out in the field they would race. That's what they were bred to do since the seventeenth nineteenth century and they would race and actually putting them on a race track and racing them under supervised conditions means. They're racy not much more safely than they would if we just turn them loose in the field still. We have an obligation to these great animals to make sport as safe as possible for both worse and writer so open your crystal ball what happens to dirt surfaces ten years from now I think their services this is will continue to become safer and I. I think we'll continue to race on dirt because economically. It makes a lot of sense to do that and I think more and more. We'll see synthetic surfaces use for training and perhaps racing to particularly in areas where the climate makes it's the surface difficult to maintain but I think the sport is moving in a in a positive direction in surfaces or become safer and safer and that's a very very good thing there is none like unto Gary West we have ever had on this podcast and the eight plus years. We've been doing it. Thank you so much. Perspective is non puerile while thank you very much always a pleasure. Thanks once again to Gary West and Dr Anderson Reynolds. It's fair Mirta say that racing needs some honest conversations to address the health and safety of the horse but those discussions should be based in fact not rhetoric and should not happen with purely malicious force. That type of sputum is what you hear from the group force racing wrongs which aims to make the industry three extinct. But that's not all they want to wipe out there. President has asserted a number of times in Syntax. Quite distinct that thoroughbreds breads and quarter. Horses should be sterilized so that they all will disappear from the Earth if you're an animal lover whether or not you like the sport this this mission statement hasn't got any worth. I really hope this vitriol has not poisoned the minds of people with a platform to make change. The sport does need reform but first fact-based accounting to be followed by a healthy idea. If you can get us on our youtube channel by searching urging in the gate podcast you can get on soundcloud as well. 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The bowls of wrath in the book of Revelation

"Are. We commit with the parable of the wooden. Bowl! If you've never heard that before. It's a parable about a grandfather. A, man who was an old man, because he'd reached the later years in line, he was no longer able to care for himself. The parable says that this man he had shaking hands. He had poor eyesight. His family felt compassion forum and one day his family decided. We need GRANDPA and we need to bring a GRANDPA into our house to care for. It didn't take very long for the family to. You realize that GRANDPA was a very messy man. As he ate food like pease. The pease rolled from a spoon onto the floor. They serve a drink like milk and he spilled milk on the floor. He was clumsy. He broke the family dishes when day because the lives of the son and daughter-in-law were so busy. They decided we've had enough. Tired of cleaning things up from all over the kitchen. We're going to in that corner. We're going to build a small table. And we're going to put grandpa all in small table. He can eat there. Be Easy to clean up the mess. And because GRANDPA has broken more than his fair share dishes. We're going to give him. A wooden bowl is not gonna bust any more of our stuff. GRANDPA eight in. That small corner. At that table with a wooden bowl, often cheeks flowing down are often tears, phone GonNa Sheiks some time pass and one day. The four year old in the family began to work with some scraps of wood. The voice father said, what are you doing with? Those scraps of wood, the challenge that I'm making a little bowl for you and mama to eat your food in when I grow up. A simple bowl can be very powerful image or tool. That you've been with US last two Sundays. We've looked at the book of revelation. Not only have. We looked at the book revelation, but look at two of the major symbols in the book of revelation we have first of all talk about the seven seals John uses though seals to say that some things are sealed. There are some things that Christians can depend on. There are some things that Christians should expect in life. After seven years John Talks about the seven trumpets with Oh seven trumpets, he said I have some warnings for you if you are a Christian, these are some things that you need to know. These are some things that you need to pay attention to. Because you're also going to experience these things a lot now. If you were studying this book and you're thinking, the John has talked to Christians and giving them some warnings and John has talked to some Christians, and he said these things are sealed. You think if he has some more things to say. Maybe in this book, he would have some things to say either to or about non-christians. Well, that would make sense. If John did want to say some things to or especially about non-christians. What figure? What age might be appropriate? Well, how about God's ran and how `bout picturing God's wrath in a bowl. Well, that's as far as I can tell exactly what John did in this book now Luma through the seven seals, and we went through the seven trumpets, we look at those in order when we look at the Board of Wrath I'm going to mix them up a little bit. I'm going to do them out of order. This morning I want to cover bowls four, five, six and seven. Then tonight if you're with US I want to cover bowls one two and three. John says there is this fourth bowl of rat. And he says this worth bowl of wrath was poured out. He says it was poured out on the Sun. And after this bowl of wrath was out on the son, he says it scorched men with buyer versus nine men were scorched with great heat that caused them to blaspheme the name of God. They were impediment and gave him the glory. You may have. Not recalled from your school years. How large the sunny is! If you can't remember how large Sunday let's just say it's the biggest thing in our neighborhood so to speak, it is the largest. It is the most massive item in our solar system. The Sun, his very very large nephew try to take a bowl a literal and pour that on our literal son that doesn't. Doesn't make sense to me I. Think or anybody else we've seen with. The seals seem with trumpets at John, uses, figure information in this book, and we would be inclined van especially with the figure that he is here to say, this is also figurative information John's use fractions to describe our physical life or spiritual life. He's used the color green to describe the save. A beast describe evil, if men are literally escorts with fire, probably not literal, but figurative. If men were scorched with fire, we would expect some disabilities would also perhaps expect death. Scorch with great heat would suggest to me that these people would be seeking medical treatment or going to the more, but that's not what he says in Revelation Chapter Sixteen. John says that after these people were scorched. What do they do? You said they blaspheme isn't an interesting. He says they were scorched in the hit. She'll have the ability to talk. John says to as we noted earlier, they repented NAM now most here. No repentance is repentance means to change. Repentance means that you're living this way, and we which is contrary to got away, which is approved by the devil, and when you repent you to one hundred and eighty degree change, and then you begin to live for God and be someone who serves him now. What causes a person to go from this direction to this direction? Well Paul says in Second Corinthians Chapter. Seven ten that godly. Sorrow leads to or causes or votes in that change now. How does the person have godly sorrow? What gives in that sorrow say the decides, so they decide the heading this way. There's no longer right. To go in the opposite direction, isn't it the Gospel? What policy in Romans Chapter one for sixteen, he said I'm not ashamed of the Gospel why he said it is God's power to salvation God's power to convict the person who is going this way and convince them to go the other way. What A PULSE INEFFICIENT CHAPTER! Six in verse Seventeen! He said that God's Word is the sort of the spirit. The Hebrew writer Hebrews Chapter Four, verse. Twelve, Senate God's Word is sharper than any two edged sword. With this fourth bowl. John is reminding people about the power of Jesus Christ and his Gospel. With instagram or not? Maybe some you saw that yesterday. Instagram took a video of a Christian quote, Unquote, a Christian worship service, and the branded as harmful. Now let that sink in folks. A major player in social media. took. A video from a quote Unquote Christian group and said that is harmful. Now I don't know if they're going to review and revise that decision. I hope that they do, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you follow the news, you may have come to a knowledge of an new movie. That's in the works. Called Habit And Hollywood is making a movie now which they go through with. It portrays Jesus not only as a woman. But a woman who is a lesbian. That's where Hollywood is. When you look at other face. Judaism, Hinduism. Islam, where do you see the movies that say that Buddha was a female lesbian? Where do you find the movies? The same Muhammad was a female lesbian Hollywood. Side interest in that. Nobody would go to see those. But, if you want to attack the Gospel and you want to attack Christ, you can find several examples of that which recognizes that he says as we look at this. Men were scorched with heat, not literally. But they blaspheme God. They're not willing to repent when they're exposed to the power of the Gospel. This is just the same message that John Record in John Chapter Sixteen Sake remember Jesus as he was talking and John Morrissey, said the spirits gonNA come. And what's he going to do that? Spirit is going to convict the world. How with the Gospel Romans One sixteen us? Roman peace in seventeen and Hebrews chapter four and Verse Twelve God. has this scorching tool the power of his work and he expects his people to use that scorching tool. If. There's ever been a time. For people who are Christians to stand up in the world, and to classify or call some things sin. I'm telling you that time is now. Right now as we look at our culture, Ray alluded to some of this. We see a lot of interesting things taking place things that perhaps we thought we would never see in our lifetime. As those things unfold. You hear a lot of people single. This is wrong, or this is bad or this is unfair. May I suggest to you that the Christian has a completely different terminology available Tim hurt, and that is a terminology that we should use rather than saying that this is racist rather than to say that this is illegal rather than even say this is immoral wind and he can back using that word sin. When this of cuffs stuff comes up. It's to the Bob a wing to say this is sin now. World doesn't like that our world wants to say that this is wrong, but don't call in. We'll come up with some other designation that will make the point. Sin Is the most powerful word to use because sin is that word which comes from God. In recent years Christians have gotten a lot of pushback from the world. Personally I think that pushback which has been substantial compared to previous years has affected some of our thinking. Many to be less and less inclined to stand up and use that word sin. I believe we can make the case that there would be some individuals who would see sin as offensive as a swear word. We need to as we look at this fourth ball, the preaching the word standing for the word, and if you will using John's analogy, put in the heat on some people, we have spent a lot of time in this, but as I said I want to deal with five six seven. Let's move down to number five revelation chapter sixteen percent ten eleven. We now have this fifth bowl. Being poured out and the Bulls being poured out on a throne. Not just the thrown, but it's the throne of the beast, and this these tests the kingdom, this kingdom is Darken, and once again eleven. The people repented not the book of revelation talks about two days. It's not very difficult to figure out what those stand for one is. The beast of able civil government, the second beast in the book of revelation is the beast of false religion. Here we're talking about the beast, which is the beast of evil civil. Civil government notice the John says even though it might seem that civil government is powerful that God's wrath. God has a bowl that he can pour out on a nation. Sometimes people ask God rule in the affairs of been as I look at revelation, fifteen versus ten and eleven I can say yes to that question God has the ability to work within civil government. In this case, a bowl of wrath God sets is being poured on human government. Growing up. I was taught that the United States is a world power. Growing up. That we would never be something like a third world country that we would never failed to be willpower. But you know what I heard from the German leader Merckel this morning. I read an article were now she is questioning. Whether or not the United States will continue to be a world power. Law Can you believe that? It's possible. God can darken a nation. He can darken the throne. He can bring it down. or he can raise it up. Before going further with this consider right now. How many people put their faith in civil government? We've got a lot of people doing that. There are people who looked to the government to create laws which will unfair, which will ensure equal treatment with people. We've got individuals looking civil government for emergency services. We expect the police to come. We expect long order. We looked to the government for healthcare. Perhaps and we look to the game the government for finance. We looked to the government for a military which is going to offend us. We have in many respects a lot of faith in civil government. What do you feel? God decides that he's going to darken. A government like read about hear what if he providential? He says I'm going to lower the boom. On civil government, what's going to happen to all the people who put their faith in civil government? This bowl tells us something about civil government. If we expect civil government to be our savior, if we expect civil government to be the solution to all our problems, folks. We put our trust in the wrong source. America we say in God. We Trust Lucy misdeed us to be that way. But so many people have turned that around in America. We trust and that has never been right. Bowl number four tells us that we need to be focused on the right book that brings us to God. If we get wrapped up in civil government and the things of this world we will, we will be greatly disappointed bowl number five. Our world needs to hear this message. And the people included that our young people. All too often, we have individuals who think the civil government has become an acceptable replacement for God. Get things right with the government. If only we can straighten not similar authority. Everything's going to be great. No there's no trust in civil government for right thinking people. Next Bowl Bowl Fix The. Six was out there. Was this great river? The river Frady's and he says the water in this great river was dried up, so that might be ready for kings under the coming of the Sun rising. Now here. We're reading this bowl on your own. You had not studied anything else. In the book of revelation, you might come to this and big. No idea what this means, it doesn't sound good, but I have no clue having studied. The seals trumpets. We have a little bit of information to work from Johns. says the water was dried up sometimes in revelation, you find a number of keywords these are. Are Places where you need to start to try to figure out what Jonah Sing in the Bible, we should know this hopefully. What does water stand for is watery. Good symbol is water a symbol. Does water stand for life or does Water Stanford Death? Well, someone says well. Yeah, that's not water. That's good symbol. That's a positive symbol. Water stands for life. Remember we can drink the water. What freely come to that? Fountain of why? We sometimes sing about well. That's what's going on here. There are some who do want to come that thoughtless spiritual life. They want that spiritual water. They do want to live. Others though bowl number four remember what they want. They don't want it and what happens to them? They feel scorched by the word of God. John Says Bowl. Number six. A day can come when that's spiritual. Water is no longer available or person no longer wants it. If you're last. Ones is class you don't class. We talked about the hardening of the arteries, and how that's terrible. Physical condition in the human body gets possible for the walls of the of the walls of the artery, because the things like correct cholesterol things like fat for those arteries to be narrowed or sometimes close it chokes off that needed supply of what in the spiritual realm that can happen as well as we go through live, very circumstances can take place, and our spiritual arteries become narrower and narrower and narrow and one day the clothes and guess what. We're dead. We're dead spiritually. And then the time comes when we die physically. As a world continues in turmoil, and we see that day in and day out things one day might get really really bad. I'm fascinated by what Jesus had to say. Look chaptered eighteen verse eight. It's there. He talks about his return. He says when I come back. Am I going to find something? What are you going to be looking for Jesus? He says am I going to find faith on earth that depending on your translation, you might have the word the before the faith in eighteen and versa I do believe it's in the original tax and I do believe that that's probably a good to express the thought. Jesus is not asking am I. Just gotTa Find Believers in me. He's asking am I going to find the faith. Am I going to find that one faith am I going to find members of my church? People who are worshiping in spirit and truth, the implication is, and you can see this substantiated from other verses in the Bible as well. There will not be many people holding to the truth when time ends in, fact didn't Jesus say that when he returns. It's going to be like the time Noah. Noah like everybody was following serving. Very few people were interested in doing. What's right you see is the days go by as we get closer and closer to the end wherever that might be the arteries. Spiritual arteries of people are getting narrower and narrow and many people simply want to close off the spiritual part of life. Where you? When it comes to spiritual thirst. There are a lot of people who will carry a water bottle with them every time you see him. They have one water bottle. Maybe they've got two or three, and if they lose or miss or put down their water bottle and I gotTA. Get my water bottle. What about our spiritual thirst? Are we more thirsty for the physical stuff. And the spiritual. The reason for having that terrific spiritual I. I is found in Bowl number seven. Then the seventh angel, that's one poured out his plaskitt of the year and mighty shout came from the throne of the Temple in Heaven. Saying in is finished. Some of the translations might say it's done now. When God says is finished with God says it's done. That is probably a big deal. In this case when we're dealing with the seven seals, the seven seal talks about what happens at the end of time and eternity, when we with the seventh trumpet, it was the same what happens at the end of time and courtesy here. The same point is made with a bowl of wrath. People had their chance. There were people they heard the word. Have God the felt scorched by the word of God and their response to? It was anger like we see in our world right now. Then there were there were those people who thought civil government is got bail us out. At the end of town under born to realize that that didn't work. People will be saved, or people will be lost set to thirty heaven or Hell and God will say it is finished. I created a man sin. Savior came. People were given plenty of time to make spiritual decision God was very very patient. And if time comes, and God says it is finished. You know who the winners are going to be on that day. The people who were thirsty. The people who didn't drink. From, the waters of life. are going to realize what they missed. And think Oh that water we could have had. But which earned out. Don't be with that grew. Be someone who is you go through? Your daily? Life is spiritually thirsty. It will bless you today tomorrow, and all your days. If we can help you begin, that's virtual are maybe you're someone who has a little worse and you believe? We'd be thirsty enough to repent. Thirsty enough to confess the Christ Lord. And thirsty enough to say. I want to take that final step to become a Christian on me. Baptized into Christ glacier three, twenty seven. That's a good beginning point. Is Only beginning point after that that need there needs to be that hungering, and as Jesus talked about the minimum that thirsting for righteousness, he preached the same messages Jon or John Preached the same message as Jesus Thirst for what's right thirst for what's per pure and thirst for what can save you if we can help, you do then let us know and do that. 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Airborne In The USA With Dr. Abdul El-Sayed

What A Day

23:54 min | 6 d ago

Airborne In The USA With Dr. Abdul El-Sayed

"It's wednesday november eighteenth. I am gideon resnick. and i'm dr abdul el-sayed with the impossible task of filling in for hugh hughes and this is what a day where we are willing to pay regionally on his rate of twenty thousand dollars a day to simply try meditation. Yoga where's the brawn james in that. Calm dot com app. I feel like we need a rudy giuliani virgin and it's just donald trump screaming into a microphone. That helps the man sleep Doesn't it doesn't help me sleep to each their dual. Thank you so much for being on the show today. I am incredibly grateful to be here. It is impossible to fill in for the indomitable accused. But i'll do my best. thank you. Yeah you always do. It's always a pleasure so for those of you who don't know. Abdul is a physician and epidemiologist progressive activists and detroit's former health commissioner. Just to name a few things. He also has a pod with crooked called. America dissected which we've told you a million times listening to if you aren't already we're gonna tell you again listen to it. We've had him on the show before to talk about the pandemic. he is back again today to take some more questions from us. So let's just roll right into it so before we started recording. You're talking about this current phase of the pandemic in a really striking with it stuck with me. You were saying that this is basically going to be the phase that is talked about in history books. Can you get into that a little bit more. That's right You know we right now are living through this pandemic in all of us. Remember the shock of the first several months. But when you compare both the positivity rate the degree to which this virus has spread and the rate of growth in viral transmission and potential deaths the part of the pandemic that historians are gonna write. About isn't what happened in march and april. It's what's happening right now. And this follows the history books when we look at the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic a first wave in the spring and then it went dormant in the summer and then it spiked majorly in the winter months. And we're headed into those same winter months so this is the pandemic when we talk about the pandemic after we're going to be pointing to this moment and so we've got to be bring the same kind of care and same kind of focus on protecting ourselves and our loved ones that we were bringing back in march and april. We know a lot more about this virus thankfully and so some of the things we're doing like wiping down every individual banana. Those are things that we don't need to do anymore. But when it comes to wearing a mask when it comes to physical distancing when it comes to hand hygiene we know that these work and these are the times where we need to be doing them right. Same practices apply but the stakes are even higher. That's right president. Elect biden has been talking about trying to persuade governors into instituting mask mandates. Those who haven't already. I wonder though if they're not listening now. And there are a lot of people in our country who may not abide for various reasons. As they haven't so far what do you think he can actually do to change that. I believe it or not getting the last four years taught us anything is that leadership matters and even if poor failed leadership has created the space where this virus in this pandemic politicized. I think president-elect biden has the opportunity to actually unify people just simply around a coherent message around masks and so you know once you start addressing the norm. That people should be wearing masks that it's a perfectly normal thing to do in the middle of a deadly pandemic. that's taken two hundred and forty seven thousand lives. I do think it's going to start changing the conversation in a pretty profound way. The other thing here is that you know dump. Trump is had such an impact on his followers. And i wonder what the impact of his loss and the way that he has acted since his loss. If that is going to maybe show him for what he is the you know the emperor has no mask in this case and i do hope that that kind of moral leadership will will help to turn the tide on masking but we also frankly just need federal policy. And that's something that as soon as he takes office of the president president-elect and his team will be in the position to do right right no. That's a great point and thinking about these things released to our lives. I'm sure you've been getting a lot of questions about the holidays and thinking through it yourself so to start. What would you advise people to do when it comes to question of thanksgiving for anybody knows me. They know that. I love my favorite holiday football and food and family. Those are like three things that i love more than almost anything else. And i'll be honest with you sometimes in public health. We're not very good at being honest about our emotions right there. There tends to be a say it with a smile and a twinkle in your ethan and everyone should abide by it. No like it sucks that. We're not gonna have the kind of thanksgiving that all of us have been looking for to particularly after two thousand twenty where we all really could use a little bit more of one another. Here's the thing we are in nearly unchecked growth right now and i think about the people that i'd be with during thanksgiving people like my dad. Who's getting a little bit older. My grandparents who have been older for a while. And i think about what it would mean if they were to come together and then get sick and i don't wanna be in a situation where we are lamenting thanksgiving. It gives black friday a whole different meaning and so. I hope that folks will do this because they recognize that. It's more important that we are all here to see next thanksgiving than it is to try and force this one. And so i. I'm not gonna do the friendsgiving that we usually do. And we're going to be socially distanced and very very minimal engagement with just our nuclear family. And you know zoom is. I spend all my days on zoom but it connects us to to be together so that next year. Hopefully we can be together in person. I think it's worth doing. Yeah and i might know your answer to this given what we're talking about but if you had a situation where there is a quarantine pod that's been a quarantine pod they're not gonna see folks that are older. They're not going to you know Cross beyond that pod and Everybody got tested to feel. Like they're trying to mitigate risk on their way into a gathering are the tests themselves reliable enough at this point to give people a good understanding of whether there is presence of the virus or they've been exposed to the virus from from what we know epidemiologists calculate this number called a negative predictive value and that number is eighty percent what that tells us is the number of people who test negative negative. So what you see is about a twenty percent slippage there right and it also depends on when you test if you test a couple of days in advance and it took the test awhile to to to result. Then it's possible that you could have been infected in the interim so right. Look i'm not going to tell folks how to live their lives. It's not my job. But i will tell folks that the tests are not a perfect tool but they are better than nothing but the the best way is potentially to limit the size of the the the number of people who come together to wear masks to potentially do it outside if you're in a community where the weather is good and and if you can use the telecommunications tools that we've got this situation sucks i really wish that i could tell you that we all go enjoy thanksgiving because it's been a hard year and that's what i wish i could do it. Just not where we all right now. So if you're taking measures to protect yourself that's a good thing but we all know that this is a matter of scale and the best measures to reduce the likelihood of spread is to wear a mask is to physically distance and to avoid these kinds of gatherings in the first place. Yeah i think that's especially useful now that we are coming up on potentially difficult conversations about the holidays We've talked a lot about things that are terrible and bad but let's end on this. What makes you the most optimistic about the incoming biden administration and then secondarily. Maybe on less optimistic note. How important is it right now that they're able to get access to that. Hhs information that they need the other information that they're going to need to make this transition fluid. I know many of the people that that president-elect biden has appointed either to key transition leadership or to the administration itself and from top to bottom. These are folks that i know are extremely competent focused on public service for service's sake and carolina about getting it right. They double check in cross t's and dot their is and so you know you're talking about people who will do an amazing job in whatever role they're put and we're lucky enough as a country to have them in positions of leadership on a pandemic. I am worried. Though about the fact that the trump administration continues to block the president-elect and his team from getting critical information we forget the fact that The the number of appointed officials in the federal government four thousand or so that makes up zero point two percent of the federal government and the amount that happens that the federal government does every day is gargantuan and the fact that you already have a pretty short time in transition something like seventy three days and losing those critical days for members of president-elect biden's team to get access to where we are in where we're headed out is really does not bode well for our country doesn't bode well for the ability team to get cracking but if there was a team Who could do it. I'm confident that that the president-elect will be Will be appointing that kinda team that can get in and day one in start leading with with competence and incompassion that is definitely reassuring to say the very least Well thank you so much again. Always a pleasure we're gonna tracking this but for now that is the latest It is wednesday watt squad in for today's tempt check we're talking about a groundbreaking new technology that is right. Twitter released fleets yesterday a feature that allows users to post content. That will disappear. After twenty four hours much like snapchat or instagram stories. The goal of fleets twitter said select people express themselves in a way that feels safer and lower pressure than tweeting. Okay i'm so we obviously love it. When our favorite websites do big updates. Are you interested in fleets and if you fleet what are you going to be cleaning. I just wish that we could go back for years and twitter could introduce the fleet mode and then put donald trump in fleet mode that lasted about one hour. That would have changed the course of history. I think little little a little too little too late jack. I appreciate the effort though. I i'll be fleeting figure like i figure like if i'm if i'm fleeting i don't really know the difference between fleeting and tweeting because at the end of the day. Nobody pays attention to what you tweeted like three days ago. But there's that right right. It's just the idea that like it will live in infamy you know in the future and somebody will screenshot to next to each other and say like oh you changed your mind on something i i guess. That's the fear here. I don't know or you're going to have trolls who just make it a goal to screenshot every fleet from here on up right right. There's going to be like the the room raider account that exists right. Now it's going to be like the same sort of dedicated staff that that screenshots fleets before they're gone yet that's that's an unfortunate sentenced to have to say and a real one. I think yeah now. Fleet flower followers dot. Org seeing it. You didn't are you. Are you going to be fleeting or tweeting. I will not be fleeting. i'm trying. I'm trying my hardest to to ninety minutes as much more i find. I find the task generally appalling But i think that this is. This is the coward's way out. And i think that if you are going to bear the responsibility of some modicum of following on twitter whether it's to make jokes or share public information put your stuff out there you know. Put your best foot forward like. Let's not mess around with this. Like oh baby. I wanted to disappear whatever. Maybe just think for a second before you send the actual living tweet and then you don't even have to fleet you now so the answer here is just. don't garbage. I mean honestly right. Let's get the quality stuff you know what i mean like. Let's just have people start. Maybe you send a fleet to yourself initially and then check like. Is this really stupid. And then you can upgrade if you need these baby steps to a tweet either way. I'm just saying it's the coward's way out. I'm semi giddy. I think you. I think you just laid out the strategy a fleet is like it's like it's like a temp check for your twitter. It is. that's very true and that is the best way out of this conversation because just like that. We have checked our temps. They are fleeting in terms of temperatures. Going up and down stay safe. We'll be back after some ads. Hey squad you don't need the reminder from me. The days are getting shorter. It is colder in your energy. Might be lower. We all know that we should drink more water. By the time you feel thirsty it might just be too late. You're already dehydrated. You can't focus you feel tired. That is where hydrant comes in. 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Very euro which won a landmark legal battle against facebook in two thousand fifteen among other victories. This latest concerns apples identifier for advertisers. Which is a code built into every phone that lets advertisers track users while they're in apps that code iphones in the us as well. Just let you guys know as it stands laws in the u protect users against external tracking unless they explicitly consent to it. Apple argued that iowa's fourteen actually does allow users to control whether apps contract them but folks. If iphone people wanted to get deep into their settings they would simply be android people off to stay within the limits of the law. Apple phones should be tracker free by default. Personally i'd always upgrade to tracker. Because i liked to have company wherever i go anyway. It's now up to regulators germany and spain to decide whether or not apple gets find. 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SEASON ONE, EPISODE NINE: Heavy Metal & Heavy Trouble

Boston Venue: The Channel Story

00:00 sec | 8 months ago

SEASON ONE, EPISODE NINE: Heavy Metal & Heavy Trouble

"Welcome to Boston. Venue the channel. Podcast this is the true and complete story of legendary Boston. Music Club. The channel from its shaky launch in one of Boston's grittiest neighborhoods through the glory years of Beer. So rock reggae shows from an incredible roster of artists and its demise at the hands of local mobsters after spectacular run a demise that ultimately led to a murder that would take twenty five years to solve this podcast includes explicit language and violent episodes no sugar coating and no bullshit. Let's rock in the last episode. You heard that the Rock Stars who frequented the channel. We're not always on their game on like studio work. Which is tightly controlled by producers and state of the art tech live shows are subject to many more factors environmental physical emotional and let's call it chemical. Sometimes it comes out right other times not so much. Learning the craft of studio master is nowhere close to playing live night in and night out at venues packed with rabid fans in the mid sixties American bands. Like the doors grateful dead Jefferson Airplane and even the beach boys were innovating new ways to play rock and roll psychedelic or acid rock morphed into hard rock and eventually into heavy metal in the UK. The Beatles paved the way for the heavy metal wave of the late seventies early eighties. It was louder harsher and seemed far removed from the pioneers of rock. Like Elvis Chuck Jerry Lee and Buddy CIANCI lip read is a beetle historian and host of the syndicated show breakfast with the Beatles and a podcast get back to the Beatles in nineteen sixty six two songs in particular by the Beatles were inspired while under the influence of LSD both composed by John Lennon and these Athen experiences manifested itself in John's music. John Ready Timothy. Leary's book the PSYCHEDELIC experience and follow the instructions on the use of LSD. John's use of the drug for the third time certainly inspired the song tomorrow. Never knows it's filled with sound effects back with tape loops Ringo's hypnotic drumming fantastic song. Tomorrow never knows was an early introduction into acid rock as really as a favourite amongst many Beatles fans another. She said she said a great example of the creativity gentlemen experienced while under the influence of LSD and one incident in particular inspired that Song John was at a party where many of the famous potty go is run to the influence for Bassett. Let's T- including actor. Peter Fonda Fund kept coming up to John Insisting that funding knew what it was like to be dead based on experience that be fun to have as a young boy. He was shot in the stomach. Accidentally in his hot had literally stopped beating so it wasn't exactly what John wanted to hear at the time while under the influence and it literally freaked him out and that experience again described in. The song's lyrics. She said she said and tomorrow never knows both songs inspired by the US use of LSD. And certainly an early acid song to by the Beatles from acid rock the Beatles dabbled in heavy metal. Certainly one of the most profound examples of that in the white album. The double record set a song called helter skelter. It's really a playful song. When you think about it helps. Kilter is a ride at an amusement park. It's just an elaborate slide. That goes in all directions and it's called the health skelter right but tall really wanna Toronto on this. He really wanted the Beatles to cross into that heavy metal kind of category and all the things that inspired that song from Charles Manson on it really was an early example of the Beatles ability just across lines and dabble in all kinds of genres of music. And they did that with helter skelter being such great early heavy metal track from nineteen sixty eight in two thousand fifteen. Vh1 selected the channel is one of the ten most legendary heavy metal clubs of all time. Vh1 wrote quote who played their Metallica slayer alison chains misfits. Black Flag Lead Afford Hawke Wind overkill gangrene suicidal tendencies. Why it ruled a confluence of Boston's college connected Bohemia and South the adjacent roughneck rock and roll the channel dominated. The city's hard and heavy scenes throughout the eighties end quote in Boston. The heavy metal scene was vibrant and local bands. Were anxious to play on the massive soundsystem available at the channel from the very beginning. Heavy metal is welcome at the channel. They had a loyal following fans. And for the most part They were easy to work with. Many metal bands would start the plane at the channel on our New Music Review Nights. That's when we would feature new bands and the bands or the management where responsible for promoting the show. We would give them tickets and they could sell the tickets. I think the cover price was two bucks or they could give them away. The intent was to get the fans to come to the show and if they showed that they could attract the you know some people then they would move up and be opening acts for headliners or eventually headline themselves. Many bands at the channel started off that way so on a Tuesday or Wednesday night we might have three or four Heavy metal bands and they would all try to bring in their fan base. And you know they might be several hundred metal heads They're a night when normally would be dead or may even be closed. One of those local bands was wore. Gazza often referred to as a thrash metal band. War Gazza is always viewed. It's music is more of a hybrid of thrash traditional and the new wave of British heavy metal. They quickly became front runners in Boston's heavy metal scene with brothers. Barry Enrich Spielberg joining Bob. Mayo to form a powerful trio that played their music heavy fast and loud their musical chops are undeniable and their legend began to grow eventually earning them respect and admiration from the more insular in aggressive. Pumpkin HARDCORE SCENES WAR GASM helped bridge that gap their aggressive stance and precision playing them. Respect which would lead to sponsor with national touring acts like nuclear assault chrome eggs and biohazard crossover shows with hardcore and metal bands. Didn't always work and sometimes lead to trouble in the pit with slam dancers and head bangers both battling for space near the front of the stage often keeping one eye on each other and the other on stage divers flying by overhead. Bob Mayo is the lead singer Guitarist and create a force of the band when I album came out with a big blowout show their Tony Bertini and WBZ. I think it show was called raw power at that. Point is heavy metal. Show that really cemented. Our status to channel really was the obvious choice. It was the biggest highest profile place to do something like that. That show was covering the globe the next day I mean for us it was a big deal as a fan. Go into an underground show. At the channel motorhead Ramones voyvods type of negative flotsam and Jetsam fates warning a lot of the bands that we be worshiped back that everyone in the C new get great show for Channel Medal was also beginning to get commercial airplay medal. Mike COLUCCI was host of WBZ. Ns Heavy metal from Hell and remembers the channel and the metal culture of those days channel was born probably at a perfect time because it was pre. Mtv Radio was a big deal that it was a very big deal and being in the Boston Market. You had college radio. Some shows that are still around since their early eighties. Bcs contribution in the metal world was the general manager of the time Tony Berry Dini had an affection for hard rock and he had a specialty show on that ran on Sunday. Nights used to run ten to eleven pm after nocturnal emissions which was championed by oedipus our program director. Some of the earliest metal shows the put. The channel on the map for me was when we talked about earlier. Which was Metallica Wasp an armored saint. Being the on the list of if I could be at a show I would wanna be at that show. The channel was also a really cool place because it wasn't primarily known as a metal club it was known as a place on any given night. You could see anybody. You could see overkill. You could see James Brown Red Hot Chili peppers a local local metal night. We did there was a place I for somebody to hone their craft. The unique thing about the channel was the cage. The now for someone who who was underage you could go to the channel and see the show but you could not drink. If you wanted a drink you went into this place school yard graveyard where you had to get by the Nice large man with either a stamper a wristband and you went into this small area to consume alcohol as much as you could and then you could go back outside but you cannot drink outside of that cage. Metal shows were standard fare for all the years. Gentle operated whether national touring acts like motorhead. Metallica or molly hatchet locals like belier age and extreme or even pretend bands like spinal tap the metal heads could always be counted on to show up and show off with leather chains and lots of big hair pretty interesting to see different types of people coming into the club. The other will metal has also looking for something different something more. They'd come in with dog collars and spiked hair in one time. A girl actually had a guy she was holding them with leash and they thought it was real cool. You know come and see spinal tap federal the coolest thing. Life on the road for touring band can be a bitch more often than not the road to rock star status chaotic at best soul wrenching and lifeforce sucking at its worst. Few survive fewer succeed and fewer still attain any level of commercial and artistic. Success Metallica a bonafide superstar. Rock band has been at it now for. Nearly forty years formed in the blistering. La Underground thrash metal scene in nineteen eighty one. They quickly emerged into the mainstream receiving critical and commercial success but the band had more than its share of misfortunes over the years at the start of nineteen eighty four. They were on their ride. The lightning tour with Wasp and armored saint and were scheduled to play at the channel. Metallica is scheduled to play on a Wednesday night and we got word. There were delayed because of snow and that they could make the GIG and that it would be postponed until that the Sunday later we found out that Lazovic. The Drummer was delayed in England with an immigration problem. And that's why that he that they couldn't come on Wednesday so they did end up showing up on Sunday and They played with you. Know two other bands armored saint and the Wasp and for the most part the was not a very successful show. There was only a few hundred people there. It got worse as a story on W. AF radio by Tony Kopa Bianco titled that time. Some Boston locals stole METALLICA's gear. Are there van relates. The year was nineteen eighty-four and MANTECA was touring the US in support of their album. Ride the lightning unfortunately for them. The New Year was not off to a good start after they play Boston's Channel Club on January fourteenth. The band soon discovered that some locals headstone their gear from their van. Just outside the venue non. The van numbers took the theft harder than Hatfield. Who at the time became very reliant on certain Marshall Amplifier? That helped him deliver the kind of sound. He wanted now in the middle of a tour with no equipment. Mataka were able to borrow some gear from anthrax to get them through the remainder of their dates. Decades later a similar story hit the news about blistered earth. A metallica cover band from Portland. Oregon had their van in all their equipment. Stolen after METALLICA heard about the story they reached out the Blissett earth and paid for all of their replacement gear. That tour was the last feature bassist cliff. Burton who was killed two years later in a tragic bus accident in Sweden during their tour in support of the album. Master of puppets extreme an art metal band from Maldon. A suburb of Boston had recently signed a major deal with am records and were scheduled to headline a sold out show at the channel previously. The band was known as the dream and had been managed by Joanne. Cody join in. The band. Had ATTEND SPLIT UP and a subsequent name change so I was working at a health club. That was next door to a Brigham ice-cream Parlor that I frequented and I ran into Paul Jerry. Who was the drummer for the rim? And extreme so I was coming out. He was coming in. We ran into each other and he said I'm in a new band is all original. I'd love to come and see us where rehearsing tonight. I said Gimme the address. It was the old Campbell Music Complex that evening when I came to meet them and listen to them. They asked me if I could help them promote the band. And so that was it differently from the get-go how I got involved with them so the ban was gaining popularity and we had a very devoted fan base where drawing some crowds and then all of a sudden. I'm getting phone calls from a woman who says she was an attorney and that she worked for banned from New York and that they were interested in buying our logo or name. I simply said it wasn't for sale but I was curious in and said why and she said well. Your logo looks very much like ours. And we don't want there to be any confusion so they they it off a five thousand dollars. I said no just days go by. Get the call from her again. They want to offer ten thousand dollars and I said what label is banned on who they signed to and she said no one. They're not signed and I said what unsigned band has ten thousand dollars to pay another band because their logos look alike. I said who are you it was. Cbs Television and they had TV series starring. John stamos price the full House call dreams. It was really a his vehicle to as a breakout star and we put it in Johnston on the show and I had trademarked the name the dream it was one of the first things. I did as a manager so we sold the name the dream and in exchange we had a signed agreement saying we wouldn't use the word three in any way shape or form in the new name which is how extreme became extreme. Because it's actually acts dream so there was another metal band that had another gear incident. This time it wasn't stolen like in the case of METALLICA. It was legally seized by sheriff so now the wheel moving quickly rescue companies are interested. We're getting phone calls and one night and day and my day says me. Isn't that your band over there? And I look over and my entire band or the entire band. Extreme Arsenio table with a I'm notorious Kloner slash from Rhode Island with paperwork all over the table. I filed the beach contract with them. Lawsuits ensued and it was hard to get them to understand how serious I was so I had to go the route of impounding your equipment. They had gone off on their first real tour on their welcome home was to perform at the channel nightclub into headline and I think this was really their first time. Headlining on like a Saturday night at the nightclub and we were waiting for them. I have the sheriff waiting for them and when the buses on the tour bus pulled down. Neko's street they impounded all the equipment. I do believe they still played that night. I think they had to use somebody else's equipment but You know hatches have been buried in and wonderful careers have lessons I think the world of all of them like Oh God. As the channel gained fame and infamy for the variety and diversity of its programming there were also serious issues and difficult challenges so like a theater or even a small arena. The channel had a real strong soundsystem professional stage and really good staff to make sure that the show went off really well. So the channel also had two o'clock Liquor license where we could serve alcohol until two. Am that allowed us to stay open and people could come in oftentimes after going to a concert in Boston or even in places outside of Boston and still it'd be enough time for them to come to channel after an arena shore theater show somewhere else but unlike theaters or arenas when the show's would normally go on you know eight o'clock or the headliner will go on at nine or nine thirty A. R. Headliners would go on the midnight or even sometimes a little bit later and would have two or three open news for each band and h headline band and that would allow us to have a party going on pretty much all night. We would open at nine o'clock and we'd have opening acts in a lot of those acts would have their own Fans coming in to see them. People would drift in until one o'clock or even laid sometimes because after they got out from a concert in the Boston Garden or the orpheum or even The worst of Centrum. If it was early enough they would come to the channel and close off the night and see a headlining act sometimes. Some of the headline acts that appeared in at Boston Garden of some of the other venues would come into the channel to kind of close off the night and have last call as the club became louder and hotter with hardcore punk Hip Hop Metal Blues Rock and more featured regularly. The financial problems continued to mount. So money started to become tight. Everything was getting more expensive payroll insurance rent repairs into to the building. Everything was getting expensive and money was Started was beginning to get tight. We also extended ourselves. We bought a condo on South Street in a leather district and opened an entertainment company called the entertainment network. But we did well. We promoted some Interesting shows we did Frank Sinatra at the symphony hall in Nineteen eighty-six Liza Minelli at the Wang Center in a few World beat shows at the Heinz Auditorium in the Wayne Center but they didn't make money expenses were very high so we became stretched a bit financially. More money was going out than coming in and we really weren't keeping an eye on the bottom line. We just thought the money would keep coming in and We basically lost sight of what was important. Meanwhile Steven Dasaro was there almost every night. He had ideas about how to turn the channel around when the sour started coming in knowing was a club on on the club in an awesome. And you know he just kind of blended into everything that we were doing. You know running the club been Joe Book and bands and you know issuing backstage passes and always wanting to be helpful in the actual operation of the club and he was trustworthy. You know you ask them do unto you do it. And I'll like go tap tap a keg or something you know he'll go do it or you know get changed from the office given the key. No problem just being a friend than being helpful. Did he represented himself as a lawyer but never really having passed his bar exam but he was very smart very knowledgeable and he actually helped us put together. The bankruptcy plan a chapter eleven normal was a lawyer. He was my lawyer. Originally you know from years past and I introduced him to the group in Terni and he was also very interested in the nightclub business. He always was. You know like the hanging around. Wise guys an alloy at daytime and at night. He'd also come in and you know kind of get into the scene. The original plan for the Sarah was to commend and Bring some money into the company and just do a few things. You know to make Business better when the sorrow really comfortable with the actual operation the momentum. The club had he decided that he was gonna get intimately involved and he introduces us to somebody from Rhode Island as being the source of money and he would operate an Moolah was also interested in getting pot of becoming part of the group that would eventually by on my brother myself out. The channel filed for reorganization under Chapter. Eleven of the US Bankruptcy Code in January of Nineteen Ninety chapter eleven under the US. Bankruptcy law provides businesses the opportunity to protect themselves against creditors enabling them to survive Steve. This sorrow a brought a proposal to me stating that. He could put the money together to buy the business from me and PITA and He could provide the money for refurbishing the channel doing some marketing and Turning the place round so I thought the offer was legitimate because the power of the ownership group included Jack Burke my partner and Steve Murillo who has our longtime attorney Steven j Morello Attorney had represented the channel from the beginning. He appeared on the club's behalf in numerous legal cases including lawsuits against or defending the channel against on law and a variety of other cases. Well I. I became aware of the channel through Peterborough. I mean I had heard about it on the radio and so on but I had never never gone there because I wasn't exactly the demographic for it but I did hear about it through Peter and I met Harry Boris and Jack Burke through Peter. We all became friendly. I started doing some minor legal things for the channel and I started going to some of the shows and as things went on I actually became night manager for a while. I was a lawyer from nine in the morning till five thirty in the afternoon and I was a club manager from six thirty at night till two o'clock or three o'clock in the morning don law was our self sworn enemy because he felt the channel was a threat to his monopoly on the industry in the Boston area to the extent that he even would threaten some of the local bands that if they appeared at the channel they wouldn't be on the local radio stations because in his mind. Control the local radio stations. He went after the channel for when the channel got involved with the Opera House. We were able to get that suit dismissed and instead of sharing the demographic he decided he wanted offer himself so Morello suggested that we file chapter eleven Murillo and desire wanted to take over the day to day operations and it was made clear to me that in order for this deal to succeed I would have to step back because they thought that my way of doing business was not a good business model. I was informed that there was a check held in escrow to affect the purchase and it was contingent on my stepping back from day to day operations in the control of the creative process and If I did the sale would happen from what I saw. There was a lot of guys that thought they could do. What I had done. At the channel over the years all their ideas would would different and they're all anxious to give it a try and Disown his team willing to give it a shot on the tenth episode of Boston. Venue the channel story difficult transitions to Mullis reorganization internal conflict. Death threats cancellations and guns out music featured in this episode is by war. Gasm INTRO MUSIC JON butcher axis contributing storytellers Chachi. The Bread Bob Mail Mike COLUCCI. Peterborough's Tony Capobianco Joanne. Cody and St Louis. Boston venue the channel story was conceived and created by Parry. Boris Executive Producer. David Ginsburg produced by Chachi libretto written by Harry. Boris contributing writers. David Ginsburg and Shaun McNally edited by Christopher key. Jennifer CBO's recording engineer Tori lamb audio production. Tony Baggio graphic designer. Lisa Saint John Bennett. I'm your narrator. John Morrissey learn more on the channel story DOT COM on facebook at Boston. Venue the general podcast. Leave your comments and share your stories. If you're like show leave a review. We really appreciate it.

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Big Insights: Woods Bagot

Monocle 24: Section D

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Big Insights: Woods Bagot

"This is the monocle on design our weekly show dedicated to the best in architecture industrial design graphics on ds fashion to i'm josh reynolds coming up today so we try and convince clients that they need to rethink economics social economics and actually rethink their role in contributing just cities and communities to kick off our big in the series early states the ceo of architecture and consulting open practice what i got about the priorities hubs preoccupation plus how the sunlight florence your tomlin how'd you gain access to an external meena say how'd you gain access to other people how to foster a sense of community we speak to and architect gracing the lightning living suffice it to the elderly and a fulltime we also find out what they're doing right and how they're bringing back makeable sean discussed on element of life not to play of course all that coming up right here on monocle on design on the twenty fourth do stay tuned architects one's giving a very specific briefed fulfill along with a very specific budget the hit about as the pressure they face changes on multiplies there remit is expanding to and it includes the spaces in between buildings is one of the buildings themselves in part one of our big inside series will have a few regular intervals in the coming weeks we're joined by nick corrales be london based ceo of australia found it architecture and consulting practice woods by got nick spoke to the show's producer daphne con needs us about his priorities and hopes for the year ahead groundless stumped by explaining how he sees the role of them such his his and how it's old changing visit changing responsibility and role of contemporary art critic to move why from accepting a brief on face value in delivering anesthetic in response to really a nickel mine and they're all this to challenge the brief aside and see what else that can extract in terms of the value to community society be all the little project that they're dealing with so there's a i think is a major although we'll new supply talking about this kind of shifting role and responsibility do you think it's ever seok takes responsibility oh so not to build especially in overcrowded cities now now whether it's also a lot of what did you intensive restoring buildings we're hearing a lot about reusing things like in fail so say priorities fee is the responsibilities across to diamonds yes around repurpose in in regeneration really really important and i love our actually in china at the moment is using old industrial sites where they would have demolished the mundane repurpose them into multi functional spaces and we're seeing a lot of emergence of how we can economically reid that the only other the main optics have the responsibility to create new buildings that are more flexible i noticed single purpose not redundant before they're actually built as with the two together you can imagine that we do create more flexible buildings have greater longevity that couldn't afford more than one task so we should do we should do differently we should regenerated regenerate with flexibility in mind that's interesting i said let's talk about about safeties teeth because there is a debate about how we can adapt to the various challenges that i see people face and how much the planning to play a role in that challenges like overpopulation effects of climate change how you'll approach changed changed to building we think is a fundamental shift from suburban back to urban and abandoned see organism old globalism is actually a potential save society as we all know by twenty thirty five maybe seventy five percent of the world's population will become a gun and there's a reason for that in his in his to belong to a community irrelevance belong to a segregated little quarter reicher block some of the research what we did in ally more relaxed study amounts of available double cop hocking spices in cities and how we can re addendum to increase the density of cities in this same configuration unaffected demonstrated we could put three million more people in the city of ally at the expense of cars so there is still a great move to the notion of the reinstatement all the city as being kind of change around density in how we communicate with our fellow citizens so we're very positive role city plays virtually every design elements it's from building to room to space should be centered around the idea of how it contributes to the city and obviously consulting lucky that is part of their bread and butter of what you do what concerns a clients coming to you it's it's a very good question definitely this two major consensus they fear of disruptive technology the terrified about winning winning how should they responds or should they whites is it a trade ins will go away should i bury my head in the sand and costa markets it's will come back sicken common theme we get from our clients is designing for millennials water their aspirations i don't quite understand how come i designed something specific purpose they need you know the digital that andrew luck so these two things like technology like acknowledgee an kind of they priorities and values of millennials which i really changing the way we perceive news news spice are amazing amazing opportunities for all of our clients they very concerned about how do they respond because the markets i'm wanting build this and you will get this much money yet society say shut up more that i want smaller i want more flexible more more admitted say so we try and convince clients that they need to rethink economics no social economics at actually rethink their role in contributing to cities and communities very fascinating dilemma right now just briefly 'cause obviously we can go and about it quite a lot what other social economic mix when it comes to millennials that companies should take into account look we don't use the word sustainability anymore we used would consciousness millennials have in new emerging consciousness around the number of ethical genda ownership contribution to commuted see their values is so profoundly different they kind of reconstructing will being part of how we should look at the built environment as said it's a really interesting time nothing time in architecture fruits a basically a response to this and continue its old methodology and what we're trying to do in redefining and you kind of empathy mythologies mapping out how creativity doesn't come from the genius it comes from the client the community see the creative so it's kind of like these ven diagram mobis triple imports into that will be publishing that shortly but still there's a lot of work to do to unravel that conundrum and just going back to technology in how you gascon balance things like smart technology with more traditional tools on thinking things like the programming of spaces in tukwila t g think we've somewhat embraced the former nasa technology more than not paying enough attention to the laughter so what's the big we've invested a lot of research into technology we've created a sub research bang called super spacer space as human cognition recognition and dot simulation it looks at patterns of the white people who use space so in many it's mapping kind of analog behaviors and representing it in a visual simulation and we could actually see how people release spice not have we think they use spice so technology has profound 'em ability to change architecture now there's a lot of people who fit technology thinking that equals i ohio machine learning or it's it does whereas you mentioned exactly a loss of the human connection that in fact they can accurately matt what these real behavior and how people experience spice it could demonstrate so that so we're harnessing it we using it to create what we call user briefs i'm we'll must throwing away the traditional rfp or request for proposal which is at area spatial analysis and changing that we've been experiencing bold analysis and that brings in the tech to let's see unemotional dimension of how people respond to spice in volume in light and darkness and how you can use that indeed to shift what we think the practice of architecture she'll be so very exciting times if you hondas betty qualities of technology in the right way in the right way and see you what would you say you know you mentioned some of the research that you'll carney undertaking taking but what is it the biggest priorities to you they see twenty nineteen will we are predicting a change in the practice of architecture and one of the biggest things that my team working on it may nights out of the notion of of global studio which is the fundamental basis of us were not found in practice worth based on foundations and as foundations it kind of empathy people based architecture diversity is really important to us a week capturing all this in producing a manifesto i feel there's a time in history with manifestos relevant but right now the someone needs to come up with a statement of this yeah we we should be doing and what is the reason for architecture so these shoes busy see we clicked in a lot of things around this and doing some research improving the manifesto by researching type study so that's what we try to in two thousand and nineteen in using some of our to demonstrate a cell will be waiting for manifesto from firm you guys yeah seen his show last show about manifested action so yeah now they still relevant and what is the coals and pope is solving what do you sense to achieve in the problem i have with the manifesto it's a fix doctor i'm not a process not changing a methodology of how to shift the practice of architecture so which one even redefined what a memphis nobody's copa is i just wanna move now to talk about how the way we walk is changing any on the show we've been looking a lot about the changing nature of the place in office design and how building how do you think that the way that is changing how is it reflecting how we build are really important question to us the woods beggar we have eleven sectors and we have this thing called the blues so we actually used that would play sixty two in conjunction with education sick doing junction without hotels that so we're mixing it up where it also predicting the demise his loss it of a single purpose workplace building is office tower he is i will be no one else will come into it so we're out reshaping what we think a mixed use taught policies and fulfil seven cullen streets is an example of that in melbourne way we have a hotel and office pock doc residence hospitality all in one building we're lucky to have a full city block where we imagining multiple uses of that one property assets such a big fundamental shift singled the buildings and this has cities a fundamentally changing the no longer districts of single use but then aggregation of communities that was nick corrales these ceo of architecture firm woods pocket speaking today show's producer daphne connie's us do stay tuned now time and housing tends to be dr adult dated and eight dehumanizing meat diet of fact i'm sorry to say aside prospects that any of us to the pump to but if people begin to lift longer and more money many of waking up to be a giant need to provide better quality of life well into old age so how do we create elderly homes at one would move into out of desire rather than shit desperation much of the answer lies in county design of course and uk developer pakistan life has been recruiting architecture studios to build enviable retirement communities around the country one of these is these newly opened bellevue in london's leafy hempstead as if us it's residents living monaco's now control choking on old before his time also dropped by to talk to john morrissey architects behind the build the bellevue over the sixties residents in hempstead doesn't look like and lgbt community a tool at first glance at more resembles a hotel indeed has many of the same amenities a lively ground floor cafes a rooftop terrace which arguably the best view of london i've ever seen an even estates heavy off fall jim on full well that rudy is the point to traditional elderly housing where the private or public is to hospitalized in its approach and appearance was it fails decatur for the elderly really need so just company and bits lively bustle easy access to the local high street partly it comes down to forty soltau design the pegasus life has been giving skilled architects a tablet rosa to design objectively attractive housing the olsen meets the subtle subtle needs to be aging so i guess the vision for this project and i guess also the kind of collective vision shed with the client pegasus life whose entire modus operandi ties to deliver ballistic vision for people going into retirement which is obviously incredibly sensitive architecture how to respond to multiple layers and complex factors the building location location is complicated it was one of the first wave of projects with the clients so that for so to pushing boundaries so there's a certain degree of innovation in thinking and in method we designed and communicate to the project to the local authority understanding stakeholder engagement so the wider community and how they sort of fit into this so we were trying to build something which i think we have done which draws on all these factors in a very structured and careful way to create something which we think will stand the test of time so it's doing simple things so the laps of flaps obviously is driven so the sunlight and daylight on the way the un aging community work around them so it's about aging mobility do what's called total wits window opening mechanisms all the simple things but at the same time thinking in a visionary way so how the sunlight flood into your apartment how'd you gain access to and extend the main at sea how'd you gain access to other people how do you four percent humidity how do you create spaces where you can hide away by yourself and be intimate how'd you create spaces of domesticity and connectivity with other so it's all of that rarely the idea of it being hosted vision is very much of itself lee individual through to the collective of the residents and she the wind a community is well that's jay morris founder of morse code architects many retirement homes public or private only outskirts of town which probably feels like being locked away rather than retiring however bellevuebased an enviable plopped right in the heart of hempstead off a thriving high street and a few minutes from hempstead heat besides it's next to a primary school a trivial juxtaposition to us but one that show glad in the residents they take them morning coffee i think the clients approach to this sector is actually really really interesting and i think innovative in its of its type of his time in a way it's obviously there's guys that's sitting within a see expanding population in aging population which is the kind of big growth sector the first thing the second thing is obviously london london his white hot full all sorts of sectors not least of which is a residential sector which ronan farrow and then obviously you have a very affluent demographic of people that have worked to the alliance you have generated financial security and some prominent bumps ability to be able to us vice fold spices wichita uplifting i've been designed to accommodate their own ambition for the rest of their life in this building has the unexpected lifespan for every resident of somewhere between ten and twenty years we talking about the very end of the lifespan so it's about saying how's that already has an established routed residential community hampstead in terms of its analysis of data analysis of it people has an aging population ready and in order to foster kind of continuous konami within residential market you've got to build some people move in order for the balsam ended the market which is a single person biased after moving something so you're creating momentum i suppose so when you the people that were living he had a lot of those and it was a case of making sure we we designed and delivered exceptional a combination to enable them to see the benefits and then move on begin the chain reaction relocation reflects the design philosophy here luxury furniture and elegant lighting old well but ultimately sense of community immunity is key to morrison coast architectural vision that means lodge communal court you ought to in courage company in friendship the granville cafes open to the public so the residence might engage with the community and vice versa ooh most likely still individual apartment entrances have rental dutch doors that went hoff opened tacitly invite pastas by the pope and so the form of the buildings design through huge amounts of information so the client sort of set the benchmark which we've achieved which is somewhere between sort of fifty and sixty units that being sort of some sort of corresponded to responded to the initial outlets purchase science so the brief is a clinton by swan and what we were working to how do you create uplifting space matching the comb some brief of the client within a huge constrained site and so we went through a kind of taught logical process of evaluating approaches and strategies to ryan save a b skin we say today which affectively is foreign to connected brooks with i simple rep plenty of foam so you're driving efficiencies and you know overcomplicating the kind of build those annoyed repetitions you efficiencies is through repeated details but through that repetition and through the competitions did you get to explore materiality you get just explode detail color texture relief on variation on his understanding that the sort of i suppose they the creative tension between something which is highly repetitive unhealthy opportunity to kind of evolved into a texture and innovation i suppose so you end up with a very simple sequence of brick buildings interconnected by a kind of a so snaking colorado three which you continuously gain access to views to the city's so you know what you're left with each of the blocks arranged the three from those into three apartments have us close association with one another and we think that false just sort of this honored micro communities see how the micro community of three units around one central area of of this kind of why colorado and expands to a floor level which can be anywhere from three units the twelve units and then in terms of external quote yards and the communal space it then up to sixty apartments come together to create sort of sense of unified community bellevue is unlike any other pegasus life residents the developer gives you architects almost total freedom and rather than taking a cookie cutter approach encourages them to design a building that echoes it's individual surroundings so the site the building is located within island which is surrounded by six conservation areas which a residential in character victorian georgian all night eight loss of brickwork lots of kind of window proportions and sort of brief details which sold to give a sense of where we would won't take the building on the responses obviously contemporary we have the hospital when they buy which is a significant building and guess what we were trying to do is to draw upon the conservation areas to build a set mass since density on the site to potentially shields they view of the hospital which by i think local authorities admission is into sort of stand out a piece of architecture not denigrate it's valuable work but in terms of its place setting a move to the innocent and wind up a certain time with certain materials so this project is rich in terms of its materiality materiality using readily available materials which correspond to all those sort of children in victorian terraces sort of a nice break which is been tumbled an antiquated by hand textured break why we've literally taken a standard breaking just rotate today by fifteen degrees working very closely with crossman and bricklayers to understand how best to facilitate the state so we've got large expenses a pre cost architectural style with a sort of slightly pigmented pink with the pink aggregates and then and then at the buildings ascend through the height of the very high levels we have these deep recesses chances with a changing multicolored lights in malta and they are they're being that's in consultation with they punting authorities to sort of sets a high benchmark in terms of the detail at high levels to sort of give us a sense of integrity why we might be able to get to this point and it's the highest points with the views across london which probably have the most stunning apportion departments to the very top wearing the very top level there's one apartment with triple aspect looking north to the south tools london which is a stunning as more sits down in a plus safe in the communal living room a great big the coal jobs life in a mobile table next to him we're reminded the bellevue is a private residence departments will be on affordable from most over sixties in the uk but that shouldn't diminish the excellence of architecture here new pegasus lights desire to create beth third time it has in fact this project us spike lee questions by raising the bar can some of the lessons learned here be applied in the public sector it's true to say this is pitching at a highly affluent market 'em and i don't think it makes any buns 'em about that in terms of its i guess he's materiality the spike nitra some of the details on saiful but they're obviously some basic good sense strategies in here which could be rolled out on any number of projects so orientation the spice you lay out of apartments access to extend the main it see the relationship of buildings to god and spices ideas of communal space just drove people together on a small so they relationship with the building to the surrounding existing community and making sure that there isn't interface so the people living in silos people are very much routed to this existing community which i think is probably the most important fundamental aspects of the project for monocle in london on mel contractual troubling and finally today some of the most livable cities as those provide spaces to play it's not all serious business you know about plunking a one size so playground any way isn't a recipe for success on the in the latest issue of monocle magazine our bumper july august quality of life installment if you're wondering as underhill exploded berlin's colorful adventure areas hits a peace nobody said from the very kind of companies if in months on a district in east berlin characterized by high rise concrete housing blocks lies a colossal beached whale children cool into the mouth of this massive mammal rushing pasta enormous tonsils through to its stomach clambering across ropes which lodge red hots full climbing up at the tail end sliding down a poll on the stand below this whale it's worth noting is made from would end flanked by parents who look confirm deck chairs outside of cardiovascular risk this playgrounds in the gods and the vents talk is one of one thousand eight hundred and fifty in berlin city proud of his outdoor play offerings on a winner a mother two and the producer behind boots land eightythree in eighty six says she and her family have never had to move and a couple of blocks that kids to run around and play with other kids she says there's something about the sanctity of space the kids in the middle of the city the relaxing saying both her parents and the children when they moved to believe in the early two thousands the city's playgrounds stood in contrast to those a native new york where the price of real estate ltd available space in new york she says nobody would waste of space when you could build fourteen stories of residential property if you play grounds to build a crowded in all look exactly the same policy is fifteen rapid gentrification in berlin but years economic depression meant the bummed out of lance bass drum the city after the second world war one scene is being west across the property developments in these spaces now stand some of the city's most love playgrounds including the bureaucrats dragon playground in the district of feedback sign in america between tool residential blocks on the call both china class a green dragon made from wooden planks as menacing read finds children climate spine before whizzing down the metal slides and it had its the design of the lens merry go round germany's largest manufacturer of custombuilt wouldn't playground equipment which makes it structures by handing the cop and she blocks up in the southern suburbs tells how yen zoom lick who has managed the company's marketing for the past twenty five years says what is warm while matches cold that tax aspect is important he goes on most of the would we used comes from the black forest but the playgrounds we build a mostly in towns giving something sing natural back to these settings is important when it comes to play the company's designs have one commissions not turning its hometown were also designed play equipment lindsay's tunder enclosure but across northern europe in a playground across town insurance book how the native mario and the humor is watching her three year old daughter tackler wrote bridge she says they didn't have talks like this where she grew up mary ana and husband yohannes spent the last two summers visiting balloons k grounds and compiling a list of that study for favorites which they published as a guidebook speed cuts guide bling earlier this year she says some people like that who don't have a garden playgrounds are essential children to socialize and it's nice to talk to other parents to she adds the city's pay gronk is so important to blend is that many of the policies have been subsidized by fundraising efforts in the community in twenty sixteen when another way of themes climbing frame fell into disrepair ken tonko school children and residents raised fourteen thousand euros towards this replacement for large coon city council if up and development plan cow says the playgrounds are selling point for district they give character but he adds in recent the price of land has gone up and owners want to use it at the highest possible was yet asti arrival of big business continues to transform the city from grungy creative hub desensitize metropolis couldn't convince the billionaires will keep fighting to protect that playgrounds he adds that they lend has something that you don't get elsewhere in the country and people feel passionate about that that was monaco's duffy companies is pretending to be monaco's hasta on the hill in a report but she voice from they designed pages of the latest issue 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#467 - Final Derby Dress Rehearsals

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#467 - Final Derby Dress Rehearsals

"There are a group of regular guy's taking on established billionaires in the travers stakes way. Do you think we're talking about the owners of the favorite Tis? The law not quite will introduce you to Orlando Noda plus we'll preview the travers and the Ellis Park Derby and set the scene for the rescheduled Kentucky Derby. It's all straight ahead on this edition of in the gate. Enviros. This is in the gate ESPN's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on twitter at be Abrams voice or facebook at Barry Abrams voice. You can also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can find us on Stitcher soundcloud tune in the pink apple podcasts rap, and of course, in the listen tab. Of. The ESPN APP for the full in the gate experience subscribe. Now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP and please take a minute to rate and review the show. Those reviews really help others find us think that'll get us some brownie points in the America's best racing fan choice awards in November you know best podcast or should I keep drinking clorox? The favourite for Saturday's travers stakes is the Belmont stakes winner Tis the law, the owners of the law, a group of fairly regular guys from the Saratoga area they go by Saka. Toga stables are the same guys who owned funny side the winner of the two, thousand, three, Kentucky Derby and preakness they showed up to each triple crown race in a yellow school bus, not a limo. It was a scene to which many of us could relate but I'm going to give you a comparison of two other. Owners of horses running in Saturday's travers they are and Lori Hall who owned the Third Place Finisher in the Belmont Max Player and Orlando and Jonathan Noda who liked their travers entrant I line are the longest of longshots George Hall is the founder of a Hedge Fund, the Clinton Group that company's assets reached a high of five and a half billion dollars in two thousand, sixteen. Orlando Noda is a thirty one year old trainer who co all of his horses with his brother. Jonathan who's in the car business? George Hall and his wife Lori sold a six level. Manhattan penthouse in two thousand seventeen for somewhere around thirty eight million dollars. Orlando notice biggest return on investment so far has been the horse not loves a fight who not claimed for ten thousand dollars in May of two, thousand nineteen and whose win a month later represented his trainers I ever. T loves a fight won four races for his trainer and finished second last week in the John Morrissey at Saratoga. You. Get the idea Max player for George and Lori. Hall won the withers stakes back in February and finished third in the Belmont. STAKES IN JUNE FIRST LINE FOR ORLANDO. Noda just earned his first win in four tries and he's returning on only ten days rest to take on an imposing field. But if his trainers story is any harbinger, don't count first line out and we are pleased to welcome to win the game for the first time the trainer of First Line Orlando Noda what went into the decision to turn this horse around in just ten days. The horse came out of it good and I nominated him prior to even run especially. Like figure that especially wasn't GonNa go I was I was GONNA test my luck there and restaurant him because. The horse had shown me talent ever since I had him and I think got strike while the iron is hot right now and everything is just clicking on all cylinders. So I. Think we're just going to give it a go is not every day that we can have a three year old peak at the right time via because of this corona virus that maybe I might might just be able to pull off the upset and get my derby points that that I high horse up about the beginning. You would said to a couple of racing aficionados over the winter that you had a derby horse and first line what made you think that then Oh no the horses super talented it from the first time that we breathed him. We knew we had something special. I'm not the lightest of riders and horses just noting on track with me and I just can't picture it. Any other way because everything has played out to where it should as he broke his. Maiden here in Saratoga and I think the past two races, six furlongs, it was just the the too short for him for his long strident. He just went comfortable and those fractions buying the mollering Nathan not many horses hold up biting the whole time that they are at the top of the stretch hometown in first line and they've been at it. Right from the START I line on the outside pokes ahead and front hometown continues to battle down at the rail. Now, they're at the eighth bowl it is first line and hometown go to battle for a mile and a furlong here first line hud and front hometown not giving up they come for the finish and first line is first under the wire. Race I'm wondering if he's even cooled out yet from that race, I mean that was affirmed and Alydar Rier Dan Against Jaipur was neck and neck for a mile and an eighth I mean, how do you think that part of a racist going to affect him the ten days notwithstanding? Even fresh I'm not doing much with him and. Keep Afresh to the to the race. Then you gotta show up on the race checking in, and that's how he is all game once it gets onto the track. IS A. Very level-headed. Once once he gets into training just like train I'm just giving just. Keep them -freshing raider fire. For for the drivers. Your stable is obviously small I mean how many horses exactly do you have? More, we got eighteen. Well in a little more than one, hundred, twenty, five career starts horses a finished in the top three over half the time. Now, how much of that success is training the horses and how much of it is placing the horses in the right spot? With a win. A lot of handicapper say I'm I'm up trainer to the handicapped because I can claim a horse or sixteen and run them in optional or are stepping up to a starter? I think if the horse shows me anything, I try to test the waters going up before I drop a horse or keep them at the same level to see what type of force I am dealing with. But overall, I, think he has worked in my benefit and I just train is not in a conventional way that every horse does the same thing every day. So I just train individual horses individually. And I think he just has worked out for us in in a positive way. Ma the. Obvious. Follow up as that. You're taking a horse with a very modest resume first line and taking a shot in the signature grade one race of the entire Saratoga Meeting I. Mean Your Success Notwithstanding how do you feel about trying this? Not. I'm not backing down from the challenge as long as the horses healthy and happy come entry days. We ended up lining up the writer who's going to be David Co and. He's. Just got him around just feel them out and everything everything plays out where Or bound to run against the lease. Your father is an owner and trainer in Miami, Jose Not Fernandez. What was it like working for him? Is More of a old school trainer. Really stronger. Let's make sure that they have air in them and it's just a different old school mentality of training hard and and they'll run hard on. Gave me wrong I I do train my horses pretty hard as long as they eat and I think that's why most of them have a good finish just to be able to have that that wind in them and it's just a blessing to have my dad on phone where I I have some type of issues. Hey what have you done? What have you experienced in that? What has worked what hasn't worked for him and we're just bouncing off ideas between me and my brother and him. You moved up the road to Ocala after that, which feels like it's a world away from Miami working for two pretty reputable outfits, Hartley. Renzo and the now late Jj Groupie and then mark cassie what was it like working for these operations? I wanted to go up there to learn the base foundation of how they started babies. That's why I went to the big names on what they're feeding how much their training. They started them off and that's why I recommend replicated in my own form into my Phillie GT Sonia. She ended up winning for me here in Saratoga last year and just learning from each and everyone you you. You make your own training regimens and you're feeding and how you take care voiceover all. TRAINER ORLANDO NOT JOINS US here on in the gate. They'll send out first line in Saturday's travers stakes you decided right from the start when you took after trainers license to train in New York where the competition and the cost of doing business are higher than anywhere else in the country why did you choose to start in New York? Wanted to test the waters against the elites. But what really attracted me was academic winter meet. Short fields. Big Money. And You can claim a horse for twenty, five, thousand dollars anywhere yet. You can claim a twenty, five thousand dollars in New York and they're GONNA compete in New York for the amount of money I. think that's what attracted me was. Was a person money. Were fields just prefer not the winners. As a relatively new trainer without the reputation or the finances that todd pletcher is owners have, for example, how were you affected by the shutdown and by covid nineteen? Overall we didn't. We didn't do much nothing different I got help from the government and got got the loan and help. But overall my my brother he's the finance behind this whole operation and it was still in business. So with our earnings, we kept everything going and overall like not much change. That's why we ended up going to Kentucky. To to run a couple of horses over there, A. or still there to Kentucky, and it was just a learning experience met a lot of people made some connections in. and. Ended, up coming back to new. York, once they opened the it'd be just didn't know date that New York was gonNA Open. That's why we made move different subjects. Did you have to convince your brother at the beginning of this a year or two ago that you wanted to do this? Did he say you must be crazy or were you both totally on board together? Now. We are on board from the get go he. He has that horse racing fever just like me when once we started in twenty twelve me and him or grooming I was riding he was doing everything else and. He has a better memory in better understanding has does his research more on claiming horses where to where to put them and overall I. Think it's just a team effort that. Where to our successes today? You're not only first lines trainer, of course, but as we mentioned your co owner. So in the travers notwithstanding the Tis the law ownership group, you could be up against Kevin Plank founder of under armour. He owns Sagamore Farm, which campaign South Bend we mentioned George and Lori Hall in our open. He's a billionaire hedge fund manager Mystic Guide is owned by Sheikh Mohammed of Dubai. So you get the idea how do you feel taking them all on an array of enormous magnitude the travers Bringing on I, just anything can happen in a horse race as long as my horse is big enough. That showed him in that race on the modern and they I. Think he's GonNa run odds at the end of the day I. Think. So we're shooting to win the WHO comes I'm on your percent confident that. We're going to run a big race and we certainly wish you the best of luck on Saturday. Thank you so much Mr Not wishing you continued success I really appreciate it. The travers is one of two major final preps on Saturday before the run for the roses, the other believe it or not is the Ellis Park. Derby we'll take a look at them both and reset the entire Kentucky Derby picture when the end negate podcast continues. At the top of the stretch and there goes has the law out to take over its as the law in front and the stretch. There's an eighth of a mile to the fish Dr Post moves up on the outside the second, but it is the law and a New York Brad is GonNa Win New York's Belmont stakes the first leg of the twenty twenty triple Crown Tis the law by four. Thanks. It has been many years since a triple crown race winner ran in a non triple crown race during the triple crown. But that's exactly what we're faced with this Saturday. When Tis, the law takes to Saratoga Racecourse to contest the travers stakes after having already won the. Belmont, in this Cova reconfigured world, the Kentucky Derby isn't until Labor Day weekend. So four weeks out from the Derby we have the final two major dress rehearsals, the travers and believe it or not the Ellis Park, Derby? Yes the Ellis Park Derby Pays Kentucky Derby qualifying points. So let's get into these two races and. Break down the Kentucky Derby picture which we haven't done on this show in a while by welcoming back our friend Molly Joe Rosen who hosts the beyond the racist podcast on the believe network believe the podcast network spelled B. L. E. A.. V. If you're looking for the show and it is so good to be back with molly. So how cranked up do you think Tis the law is for this race, the Kentucky Derby, the big prize but the owners are all based in Saratoga, where the travers is the big prize, how do you see this race shaping up from his standpoint molly? Well it's great to be back with you an end you know kids the law is such an interesting horse. He has been a standout from quite a quite literally a year. Now He'd debuted a winner back at Saratoga on August eight, twenty, nineteen and. Here is A. Very, rare where we get the chance to talk about a Saratoga champagne winner still being eligible even you know running for the travers. So it's you know it's a nice thing to to see there but this is interesting and this is where. Like you said, you know, do they want they won the Belmont? But. Big. Prize is still a month in change away. So you know, do they really want to win the midsummer summer? Derby which has always been something on the on the counter that you do aim for is an owner but. You had to choose I can guarantee you Saratoga stable wants the Derby win that said, this is one of those things where having a horseman who has been in the game. Sorry to call him old but having a horseman who is in the game as long as Berkeley as careful as ugly as studious and knows his horses as well as Barclay tag does this is where. I would actually say if you're going to bet to his law short of a price, he's GonNa be you can feel really confident that he was great a month and a half ago. He's probably GonNa be great this weekend and he's probably going to be just as great a month from now that said no question Sakho Toga, if given the choice is gonNa want the Derby Derby win but I think They've worked him consistently they've worked him. Well, they haven't cranked him. They haven't tightened the screw so hard that he's firing bullets every week, which is also not Arkley Tags Mo anyway but you know they have really done a great job in managing this horse in the mornings in the afternoons so that he really only has one quote unquote blemish on his record out was he was beaten less than a late. Eighteen months ago in the Jockey Club at. Churchill. So I think it's what we're seeing with his law is just truly spectacular version of resource management. Speaking of management, there's a lot of competition and we'll get to uncle chuck in a minute but country grammar is being managed on a twenty three day turnaround after winning the Peter Pan on opening day at Saratoga Chad Brown wishes there was more time, but eight horses is a pretty short field for a race like this. So Country Grammars here how does he turn around on a twenty three day rest? You know the timing doesn't freak me out as much as it would if it were say sub twenty and I know it's you know it's kind of splitting hairs there. But if anybody can have a horse ready, it's going to be Chad Brown on the one issue that I would have in looking at country grammars past performances and and how this horses run. You know on the one hand where I am not somebody who needs to see a horse win every race I am somebody. Like his the law or or even honoree piece record for the most part out here in southern California. But with country grammar, he's he's been hit or missing his career more importantly though when you look back at it, he's been four wide three wide lost footing five wide. He bumped even in winning the Peter Pan. So I don't know that that he is his own best friend I think he may have to I think more more than even time between races were watching a horse developmentally and. Bed He may be his own worst enemy in that if he can't overcome, he's clearly shown that he can win in a troubled trip but if he gives himself too much to do there may not be an horse for I read to work with their. Now uncle. Chuck ups the Ante doesn't want in the twinkling of an eye. He gets on Thames free ice to go coming around the far turn and uncle chuck putting the nostrils in front of great power thousand words marching onto the backup on Google. Chuck. Uncle Chuck by one length thousand words trying hard to get on terms. But Uncle Chuck has delayed. He's cleary's increasing his margin coming Pasta Sixteenth Powell uncle chuck raising away from thousand words Uncle Chuck by three. Uncle Chuck now represents one of trainer Bob Baffert best two chances to win a record tying sixth Kentucky Derby. Then Jones has the record though he really didn't train citation in nineteen, forty, eight, his son did. So you might say that Baffert is already tied for the record, but anyway, not too long ago we thought we'd be talking about Nidal and Charlatan is baffled Derby chances they're on the sidelines uncle chuck will try to do something. Almost as if not more impressive than what triple crown winner justify did two years ago remember justify won the triple crown after not debut in until February of his two year old year uncle chuck did not surface on the track until June one, the Los Alamos Derby last month and comes in here as a very strong choice is the thinking here it's Bob Baffert. Of course, he's going to win or is uncle chuck up against it here? Honestly, think it's a little bit of both I think this is a classic Bob Baffert move. The work line is quick. The horses talented the horses undefeated two for two with eleven late combined win margin. The horse has done it pretty easily sayas. Really give a great ride at at Los LS timeout in in winning the Sal Derby this is a horse who. I believe probably would have been on the justified train timeline with kind of a February debut. I think when they my guess is I have no inside knowledge on this but my guess is that when they saw what Kobe was going to do that. was going to be ready in probably early March given kind of what you can see in the in the in the work tab line. My guess is I would have been ready about March they went. You know what? We're going to give them a little bit of time we're going to let him develop. He's got he doesn't have the most precocious pedigrees. He has a beautiful pedigree. His Mama was was really neat horse but I think this is a horse who in any other year we would have been talking about back half or as A. Four year old this horse they traverse horse in any given year makes total sense whether or not he debuted in June or otherwise. I think this is a horse. He needed some probably needed some time mentally I know that that bother originally had the horse in the shared was looking at this shared belief is kind of an insurance policy. He already had two other horses in the race. So why not I know this was the race they wanted anyway this is a great one this horse stallions, pedigree I mean this is you know everything about. This screams classic Bob, and this is not a horse that was going to go. One thing when they knew authentic was pedaling. The haskell was not going to be a hassle horse though he fits that bill as as almost exactly. The same. Personally I think the litmus test of can he beat horses that have this much experience I don't care who chuck's work had been in the morning. There is just a difference between his the law who has traveled and done it and run it and his laws case wanted you know country grammar has five lifetime. Starts like you know even some of the more long shoddy horses you know first line or chivalry who for the record I love chivalry in the Florida Derby. Still one of my greatest plays of the year I don't care what races we run, but you know a horse like chivalry who's run twelve times goes up against a horse like uncle check have to contend with that. He's still figuring out and it's the first time he shipping he still has to figure out what it is to come off a plane walk into a paddock you've never walked into. Luckily he knows jock but surroundings he's never been in a paddock. He's never been in a gate. He's no gate crew never seen horses are really adaptable, and by the way you're also asking him to run. I believe further yet Ben, he's ever run before. So you know it's a little bit of a tall task for uncle check. However, it's Baffert. Anything is possible if you are looking for a horse to play that isn't to the law or even country grammar of course, Uncle Chuck is logical but warning he's GonNa be a shorter price. Then at least in my world, I would be comfortable taking. Molly Joe Rosen who hosts the beyond the racist podcast on the believe network is with us here on in the gate. Let's quickly touch on the Ellis Park Derby and then hit the bigger Kentucky Derby Picture. You'd have to think that bluegrass stakes when our art collector is going to tower over this field at Ellis. Park. What a terrific story Tommy drewery very heretofore known trainer thrust into the limelight. What does he do with art? Collector. Plenty of points to qualify for the Kentucky. Derby. As we said about Tis, the law, how cranked will art collector beyond Sunday From. What I read about the work at Churchill this week yes. Even though and especially since it was in the mud and wasn't perfect a perfectly a perfect conditions The cool thing about this derby is we've at least the field is starting to shape up. We've got a Lotta guys the Barclay Tags Sakho stable who already have a derby win we got the Baffert to has like one hundred of these things already you know we get a lot of the guys who have been on the trail obviously Chad and todd have have run their horses plenty on John. Sheriff's well to it's really really really cool to see though especially, the Midwest based horses, the Tommy Drewery, the world because. Greg leaves with. The horse's name I always blank on. You. Know getting to see guys like trauma jury really get the spotlight they deserve. Tommy has has paid his dues. He's he's amazing horsemen trains primarily out of the skylight training center just outside of local does a lot of work with a lot of very, very talented horses for a long time. My understanding was he had a lot of claiborne on layup so they would be with alcohol they would go to Tommy Tommy would work with them for a little bit and then they would they would ship back to Al. that's incredibly common in all of horse racing where where you see that and it really is a sign of. Confidence when when an owner and a barn with such a storied history. Uses, you know somebody who's who's got equally as storied, but maybe not as public a history at as Tommy. It's really cool to get to see everybody realize what a crazy good horseman. He is I. Love the connection between him and Brian Hernandez who Brian Hernandez Juniors GonNa win at least a derby in his career. If not several Brian is an amazing writer I know he's had a couple of derby mounts but really just one of those great journey means a great story and a great racetrack family. You know a horse like art collector kind of have to root for Mr. Lunceford. His has paid his dues and put a lot of money to the game. Here's a horse who has done less than nothing wrong since all the way back last November they brought the horse along the right way. They let him develop mentally they let him develop physically and his race record has proven it. I mean, he's three for three this year and has really done nothing wrong. They've all been blowout wins. Question would be who's e beaten maybe a little bit. Some of those AOC's were were good. Company may not spectacular. Probably GonNa be the same question with this field. There is no Tis, the law in here art collector is the Tis the laws the shield. So that said he's working by all accounts very well, they've done it right I personally like that they're going to run him this weekend I think it's an interesting choice. The way the revised schedule has shift has shaken out that a Lotta guys are choosing to wait and train up to Derby and. That's true of of all the major circuits we see it with some. So cal horses, a lot of the Midwest forces and even some of the New York guys I think that's an interesting strategy. It goes against conventional wisdom that we're all used to talking about the Derby Derby when it's when it's in May usually horse the take six weeks off you're like wait God no not million years. Avoid avoid avoid. But when you get into later races in the season, it's not unheard of to take a month between or month and a half or even. King Guillermo four months is a little weird to me but you know I, get it everybody trains differently. So I like that art collector they're gonNa take the shot this weekend. As opposed to a horse like major fed major fed, you know Greg Foley said they're gonNA wait I'll be curious to see if they actually do but you know I. Think this is clearly art collectors race to lose at Lsu this weekend a horse like Dean are teeny is interesting depends on which version of him decides he wants to show UK obviously Tom Amos has figured out he's been you know A. Different animal since then you know that was probably going to be one of the better maiden claiming fifties or better fifty climbers of the year a horse like shared sense for Brad Cox. It's funny. It's actually a very similar pedigrees looking at it that that art collector has you know there's a horse who similarly hasn't done a whole lot wrong. But I don't really know if he's GonNa wind up being the. Winner other big name that everyone's been talking about. Or we're going to go with. That's how we say that name that I don't see I think this is I. Think we're GonNa be talking about art collector into the starting gate for the Kentucky Derby and a month. It is a lot to digest, but once we get through this weekend that's pretty much it until the Kentucky Derby. So let the dust settle see who you like and the first Saturday in September is right around the corner. So Molly Joe Rosen thank you. It's such a pleasure to be back with you. Absolutely it's always a pleasure to chat with you. Our thanks once again to Molly Joe Rosen and Orlando Noda while some who follow racing mainly care about power ratings I, love to. And hear and feel a race. But the Kobe. Shutdowns made it tough to experience racing except that I know of a knock in a special place. So there I stood on Whitney Day at Saratoga Race Course outside the wrought iron fence on the final turn, the dirt track and the path from the Barnes to the paddock. But the street, you can feel the horses as their nostrils burn. I parked in town away from the track to make sure my car wasn't towed and as I approached the track, I thought I was nuts but then I saw two other guys with cameras and their step stools and realized my plan was born from brains and guts. The day was a lot of fun considering. We couldn't enter the grounds. We saw the horses come and go and race. It's yet another unique way I've experienced Saratoga I'm good for the year I. Felt my happy place. You can get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate pot cast you can get us on soundcloud stitcher spotify tune in the pink apple podcasts are APP and of course in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. For the full in the gate experience subscribe. Now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP and please make sure rate and review the show that really helps others find us. 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Google Cloud Networking with Lakshmi Sharma

Software Engineering Daily

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Google Cloud Networking with Lakshmi Sharma

"A large cloud provider has high volumes of network traffic moving through data centers throughout the world. These providers manage the infrastructure for thousands of companies across Iraq's Iraq's multi tenant servers and cables that stretch underseas connecting network packets with their destinations. Google cloud platform has grown steadily into a wide range of products including database services. Machine Learning containerization. Scaling cloud provider requires both technical expertise and Skillful Management Lakshmi. Sharma is the director of product management for networking at Google cloud platform and she joins the show to discuss the engineering challenges of building. A large scale cloud provider including reliability program ability and how to direct a large hierarchical team as always. We're looking for show ideas and topics and guests for upcoming shows if you have ideas semi-in email jeff at software engineering daily Dot Com. We're always looking for important topics to cover in the world of software. When I'm building a new product G. Two is the company that I call on to help me find a developer who can build the first version of my product G two. I is a hiring platform. Run by engineers that matches you with react. React native graph and mobile engineers who you can trust whether you are a new company building. Your first product like me or an established company wants additional engineering. Help G two. I has the talent that you need to accomplish your goals go to software engineering daily DOT COM SLASH G to I to learn more about g to has to offer. We've also done several shows with the people who run G two I gape Greenberg and the rest of his team. These are engineers who know about the react ecosystem about the mobile ecosystem about graph. Curiel react native. They know their stuff and they run a great in my personal experience g two I has linked me up with experienced engineers that can fit. My budget and staff are friendly and easy to work with. They know how product-development works they can help you find the perfect engineer for your stack. And you can go to software engineering daily DOT COM SLASH G to I to learn more about G to I thank you to G two. I for being a great supporter of Software Engineering Daily both as listeners and also as people who have contributed code that have helped me out in my projects. So if you want to get some additional help for your engineering projects go to software engineering. Daily Dot Com slash G two. I actually Sharma welcome software Jane. Daly thank you work at Google cloud on the networking team described the modern networking challenges of high volume data center infrastructure. So the challenges that we see in data sent Assad would like to get that he's one is like a cloud provider themselves managing their own application services right. Because you do want to continue to put your own services into the same cloud infrastructure data center infrastructure and then also like you're bringing enterprise customers or to block so from data management perspective the biggest challenge that I would see that the How do I manage my data and as a customer as address customer? How do I manage my data? And what data to retain what data to off and then do I had wayne diligently make decisions managing data and also get a compliance related questions and then as a cop Reuter. I WanNa make sure that the data that I have to manage my infrastructure on which enterprise customers are coming. How do we continue to use data usage of dodge customers themselves there? I can only have access to how much off the interest of two. They're using so that I can do right capacity planning. I can build build infrastructure in the places where I might may not have been so getting that insight from the usage of enterprise customers. So that is what does the cloud provider. I would like to continue to build upon but as an enterprise customer coming to my data centers. Come into my cloud. How do I give them the tools? And how do I give them the capability so that they can make the right decisions about? What kind of data do they deem? Including the compliance and other aspects of this can governors aspects off. How they manage their data as them indulgence about Burrito so that they can make right decisions about what services to Jews. Wet Locations to choose and all of that. It's always been hard to build networking infrastructure for a company that is running a high volume of servers and that. Google has been doing that for a long time. But since Google has become a large cloud provider you have to think about networking in a whole new way. You have to develop products that not only are offering the right level of networking infrastructure quality. But you also have to give this level of control and program ability into the network so you have to give the remote developer programmable interfaces into the networking infrastructure that might have previously been just handled by internal Google engineers. How do you determine what aspects of networking infrastructure to expose to a remote operator? So that's an excellent point. I will answer that in two ways. So one category from enterprise perspective one is dead on operators. Let's say administrators and operators. The folks that are natural get ministry just the folks that are security people. So That's one category of folks that we ought building products for and those people are their job is to make sure that network is always Institute of Justice intrastructure on frame. Now you're thinking about the connectivity to the cloud now you're thinking about how you design a new. What network and the services rounded including security and fire all so giving the capabilities and ABC's and the manage self-serve manage infrastructure to manage these networking services. Security Services is one aspect of it right. So that's kind of one. Category saw services that we offer and the second we are talking about that the developers themselves right. So how are the Devil Password using these network services the network infrastructure and in this hybrid? One moment right. So and we're doing migration they're migrating from on PREM TO CLOUD. And how do we give them that abstracted view all this infrastructure? Which is again underneath it if you're talking about BBC. They're talking about firewall on Prem and cloud so how do we make it easy now for those developers and for those administrators at the same time so that they given abstracted view off the services and what does obstruction means taking an example if enterprise is doing a VM ambition or Vm? To let dinner migration so we have those like say Antigua for migrate we have duels like minded for DC. Which is coming from like Google did some sometime back. Which was that battle. Strata and there is other acquisition that we did for example out. Simple so if you put these kinds of products in place then what we hear from customers is that I have this specific way of designing right my DMZ witching dia which includes packet metering which includes firewall which in psychotherapy and connectivity. I have suddenly of designing my on from infrastructure but that is becoming a bottleneck to my neighbors. Why because in cloud the same kind of BMC does not exist and if it were to. And let's say if they were to bring the virtual instances of this as as DMZ from on Prem to cloud they would be using methods off approval of API access on the cloud resources access which would not be comfortable arbitrary not be easy for developers to use for example they may be using a jump host to come to the cloud. So that means somebody in the security ops on prem need to open up all to go to the cloud for every single. Api that the US and the team that is doing the management team that is doing container management maybe different teams and what we knows that people were doing transformation. Sometimes we build an organization called Cloud Organization our our platform organization. There are still other organizations like Netra organization in CIC DIOP ORGANIZATIONS. So what we want to do as five of our hybrid enablement all the infrastructure. Is that how do we give you a conservative view of the country? Gatien's that work on both the sites when I configuration. I'm still talking about firewall services. I'm talking about nor balancing assist. So our goal is that. How do we build a common view? All these load balancer across. How do we give you? Api so that they can work with your on Prem Environment as well as like you know in the cloud but also make it easy for you to migrate that and how do we make it easy to migrate if you have a fight on. C. Let's say you're using VM. There for example on Prem and then you have certainly of introducing security policies using anesthetics and any third party sitting on top now when you're migrating those same set of vm's overdue or do cloud then. The firewall policies in cloud are not similar. So if we could translate those policies for you in an automated manner and present while you're migrating did the yard application to application relationship and used that also to add this recommendation that we are providing it makes customers likes very easy so the kind of going multiple ways as described we are looking at. What do we offer to network? Operators what do we offer to application owners and then how do we make it easy also to the cloud teams who are given the chocolate of migrating key? Take me through the design and development of a networking product that you worked on recently. Yeah I would love to recently at London next. We launched a product called networking deligence central and that ties in a lot of things that I just talked about. So Networking Diligence Center helps you leverage your logs your metrics and besides says that you're using it looks at all of them. It looks at your neck crooked abilities ender configurations and it takes you from. Let's say the reactivation of operating and managing your network and sandwiches to blow active and intelligent way of managing and operating your network infrastructure and services. So as part of the product relaunched three products tools. Let's say as part of the product category. We launched three products and those products are network. Topology graph when product is called connectivity tests and one product is gunfire one in villages so the way it helps the way the product is used today if when you're migrating menu and hybrid environment and you're migrating applications so you have different ways of confronting as I describe like your cloud based connectivities very different? From how you have connected like things with an on prem so when customers come to cloud cloud is a black box globe. Reuters doing gave access Deci inserted. May they talk about natural function regulation doc about SDN? Oh they've made it so confident or not. Customers used to think like them. It's so complicated back box. And I don't understand home-ice They had no comfort level in adding more than on an extra capabilities because they could not raise the services and they could not understand the network at all and especially in case of network related issues and typically even there is an application not working right obviously network. That's very common. You shoot at least here so if network is to be blamed all the time then. How do we make it easy for the customers? Do troubleshoot issue that natural and have very clear. Guidance on there in the network are in the cloud network auden the hybrid connectivity. Exactly the problem lies so there are two things we introduce. One is that network topology graph. So if we give you a visualization of how you services connected right how your save? Apn coming from on Prem to cloud and then that going onto going through a public private Bennett is going through a load balancer than it goes to an English firewall. All of these things were happening in software. There are no kind of boxes. A you know doing this. One if he could represent that in a manner which looks like boxes connecting to each other are circles connecting to each other similar to how these enterprise customers have been used to looking at them it on Prim so then it gives them so much comfort to understand where the bottlenecks are and because they can understand it in the same way as they could understand it on prem so this product network topology graph gives you very good visualization off. Your services how they're connected in cloud all the way from visualization into your services are deployed which regions are deployed different regions connected. How UVM's connected? What is the bandwidth utilization? What the latency. Between your defend instance types but it gives you all so once you have visibility then it can and then still you believe that you can activities right and everything is great. But then you're still seeing problem in connectivity. Let's say you cannot offer. Gs Bucket audio one. Am In one region cannot access vm in another region. Maybe ambrym instances are you know a pods are not able to access parts in the cloud so then we have a tool called connected. You dissed which is very simple to use and what you do is that give to this tool is that two points and points could be. Ip addresses and port number port and points could be instance names so then basically you provide that information and then you run the test and the tool will exactly point to do there. The problem is there. Your traffic is blocked because the tool basically does reach ability test so these are some some of the things that we have gotten and the third aspect of it is intelligence. So let's say everything is working fine and now you want. Continue to add your firewall rules. You continue to add more balancer policies back in policies and your country become so unmanageable that. You're even afraid to actually touch Vich. take away and then you know that managed cloud and also keeping them under compliance is a huge kind of secretive woman for customers. So then if we could give you a tool. They're we can exactly tell you. These are the five Which are being matched radio traffic overtime and there are these others who are always shadowed are giving you a recommended configuration of how you can optimize. Let's say you're thousand two hundred dollars and we get that they will not be any impact on you reach ability and you could infect us that report to go back to your compliance team and say. Hey it actually stayed complies so this has made our security operators life really easy and compliance teams from enterprise customers. You really love these kinds of tools where we can give them out. Conflict Log audit trail. Vid- this optimize configuration. So that they do not have to worry about going through line by line management and as getting up from the compliance so there are a lot of these things we have done. These three products have already come in. They're more coming under the same suite. Gauge and TYCO are open source testing tools by thought works to reliably test modern web. Applications gauge is a test automation tool. That makes it simple and easy to express tests in the language of your users gauge support specifications in markdown and these reusable specifications. Simplify code which makes re factoring easier and less code means less time spent maintaining that code. Tyco is a node library to automate the browser. It creates highly readable in maintainable. Java script tests tyco has a simple. Api It has smart selectors implicit weights that all work together to make browser automation reliable together gauge and tyco reduced the pain and increase the reliability of test automation gauge. Tyco are free to use. You can hit to gauge dot org to no more. That's G YOU G E dot Org to learn about gauge and Tyco the open source test automation tools from thought works. I'd like to understand a little bit more about how networking has changed in recent years. I guess with well for example a move towards containers so the increased popularity of containers. Does that create any networking challenges that are significantly different from the m based infrastructure just as an example if we compare networking infrastructure where? It's mostly just people spinning up applications on VM's versus applications host on containers. How does that create different networking challenges? So if you were to ask me this question like two years ago I would say there are a lot of challenges so I will address this in two ways so one is that how generally people perceive it. And what Will Tom? So two years ago liked Wendy's tottered on this journey of g which is managed communities infrastructure. So we decided that Google will be a container container native company right for enterprise customers while interested already contain Anita so what we have done. Is that since then every product that we bill whether it's low balancer five one night obligate be. Private Ivy V. Build it for both containers as well as compute. Vm's at the same time so an example. If we are building a load balancer the same Lord balances that we used to load balance to Liam's would be used as an ingress for GCA part right so if the same policies that you're using for firewall for in commute are utilized in GCA E. R. Dkny moment so from that aspect we have evolved and we are very mature in dumps of our understanding and the implementation for managed continued g. e. so from that aspect as the from just from a Google perspective we are pretty matured in our integration. Because we have learned very early on as we decided that any product that in other example is like say another example a cdn and other examples cloudy Ns. So cloudiness is another one we are. You know at this time notably integrating so yes. They were challenges and we learned about them very early on in You know integration G. and that's what I would say that the at Baden dumps off every broader that have been in offering to containers as what has to be so but yes. There are a lot of challenges in outside word. If you were to bring in these open source environment for Cubans just outside Manchester that we offer. You would run into plugging challenges. Cni CHALLENGES WHY? How do you distribute Lord in extensive within God versus like Minot across the board so there will be all kinds of challenges that you didn't? Let's say I'm a company that is entirely in the cloud. Let's say I've I started my company entirely in the cloud. I'm doubling every year. More and more people are using my product. Tim Scaling how is my network going to look different over time? And what kind of networking challenges am I going to encounter as scale as company who is growing in cloud? So if you have not a COUPLA which will happen so how did you plan your same demand for Ip addresses? So that's typically we see quite often I so people like who come from if you're Clyde native versus let's say a legacy enterprise so I'm taking this one address this question. I'm addressing if you're asking for the legacy. Enterprise ARE NOT LEGACY ENTERPRISE LEGACY APPLICATIONS COMING TO CLOUD. What's his cloudy too because cloudy? Companies B C that they have evolved with us because Google has been like in all the fuss choice for native companies for years. We really have done very well learning from them. I know building them as killing them. So I believe that for cloud We have these similar challenges may not apply although some of them so I'd be addressing. Use The scheme that we hear quite a bit rate so customers might have used large enterprises. Mytalk bought some Address foods which they have been using they might have some email services they head to expose a IB addressed to a DNS mapping You OUGHTA mapping outside dead in Wiedeman and then how cloud providers do that mapping in Dina's are in their IP addressing scheme rich region to the map. What what I be addressed too so we see that. Ip Address base mapping. In questions quite a bit so far those kinds of all footings we introduce the product Bingo own. Ibm We had. We tried to help customers by saying. Hey if you already managed a blog which you had used in certain regions are certain part of the world than you can bring happiness for this and we will help you design. So that's one John Morrissey and the second one we have seen that since cloud enables customers to do the things they could not do right so if you had to go like say from one region to another is just so easy to do biased your traffic to best it out and then you introduce your new service. So we have certain gaming customers for example they were only in southern America and they are trying out and let's say Asia completely different zone for them and territory for them and they can do things that they had now even imagine right so then for those kinds of customers helping them out with networking design that what is the best networking design for them to access for example inter-regional resources. How do they manage their egress? Cost when they are going outside the region. How do they manage their placement? Which also understanding of what? Kind of instance types do you need across the degen's what are available. So those are the challenges I see and in fact some of them are good ones right because you realize than that there is more potential to your business than what you could potentially manage before and then but the dad comes these hidden things that you need to be better off right. How would you scale replicate your data for example and then menu replicating your data audio event off your data localization requirements? What kind of. Api's would you use? How would you use identity? How would you use your you know as I said like the IP addressing scheme off how would you use the identities are Geo location understanding off? What DATA SHOULD BE MAPPED? Wear so these are the things which customers would not have thought before they end up thinking about when it comes to killing you know their infrastructure or applications. And how does Google decide where to open up new data center regions so there are a lot of kind of factors in world and to be honest? It's really a standardized process. So the way you look at it is that you look into service that you're offering in different parts of the region so we look at the demands that are coming. They're coming from field right far Susan usage and once we understand that and then remember like one thing about Google is that we tried to be when we launch a service. The our goal is to launch that service one hundred percent of our regions almost at the same time so that helps get signals do else. Do we want to add new services and our customers that coming from so the second signal that we also look at other customers at `priority have for example. We continue to work with them and understand that there other opportunities they have globally right so some customers as I mentioned like no. They may be only us-based customers but they want to launch I give you an example of gaming they may only be offering gaming services in blend part of the blue so then we learn signals from our customers relondo usage of our services and we once we understand that based on the usage ended equipments for the customers and the proximity. All those customers like these new Monday Mansi new services. How choose our regions and you know decide based on that as your role your director of product management for Google cloud networking. Is it important for you to go to the new physical data centers or is it sufficient for you to communicate with them remotely? You know I would have loved to coming from my networking background. I always love to go to these data centers in POPs but no for my work like I'm the cloud networking site. I don't have to go there and visit there and also like goes even for ourselves like in donal employees the guideline sanders security requirements. Do Go to these places are pretty high so I listen on the like that. Is something crucial that somebody has to do? We don't go from security reasons and at the same time. A what does not require me because we are looking at completely as the end completely saw federal when we don't have to go all right well on the product development side. It's twenty twenty. What are the hardest parts of building network infrastructure? What are you focused on right now? I think the biggest challenge at this point is the data related regulations and OSC data coming from different parts of the world so been boondoggle infrastructure. And the Bill Google's loud we build services that could be accessible to every customer in any bottle of award with almost seem latency and absolutely same expedient right any said was that Google has like whether it's g mail G. Suite or any other product that is sitting in cloud so now in the Enterprise Award you've enterprises like say some European enterprise who wants to do a backup. Now they will. They're asking for backups. Within the same country for example same thing in Asia they would like to keep their some countries would like to keep the data only inside whereas Google as a company that has been designed to take care of your data in past replicating data in as many Johnson songs with as many copies as possible so that we give you very reliable ready to interesting but these requirements which required now you to keep your data within the same country or within certain boundaries add add requirements from product side we have to think about requirement in how all the way from identity to the country and Regions and zones were. Should I tell you copy? And all of that is networking insecurity in addition to build interest subject so there are a lot of requirements. Now would say pressure in. How do we think about security and data guidelines and in this new geopolitical scenarios? Do you think those concerns the regulatory concerns are they well founded or does it feel like in a sense. What you're doing there with that work is just sadly not effective and just kind of catering to the unfortunate regulations that have arisen so it's both in some cases in some areas. They're clearly defined to be honest. You Can John. Rules and regulations changed right by trust bad in some cases when recount teams our partners they're bringing those requirements. We trust them and we do build it. Based on that in some years been belonged directly that still being built they're still being revised so they're both categories and we try to work towards both have machine learning workloads introduced new networking challenges for you. I won't say actually really really help took the products that I described. Net One hundred hundred center and other intelligent products. We are building so machine. Learning has really had all lot so for folks like me. Like who have been in network enterprise networking networking security for On my life so one of the things that is always challenging is always challenging furniture. Folks is that the cost of managing infrastructure. The cost of managing appliances like firewall ideas ideas. And how do you replicate your data? And how do you manage? There is a lot of cost and warden lot of products that are used for managing an extra right and building so the cost and also the capacity and that is a capacity in with this so with machine learning if he can optimize the usage we can make recommendations about what the right configuration would be for. Your set target affects right. It can be so much valuable network operators networking teams said. They and they love to see. They're my costs are going in Lettuce. Seven years but at the same time dwyer right capacity to manage obligations do. I have visited the also at the same time in what you're suggesting. And what you're doing with my configurations so giving the visibility but at the same time making sure that you are giving them right recommendations to optimize the network infrastructure while they can still operate at the same viability and reliability is very key machine. Learning has helped us a lot with that in that space on the data collection side. So much of your work is looking at logs and telemetry to understand what could be improved across the infrastructure. What's the process for aggregating and collecting data across the network infrastructure? And how do you figure out what to do with all that data multiple levels at which we do and how the expose and I'll take example tough our products so far any customers that come in we give them options to enable their loss right and we asked the customers many want to enable like what kind of logging do you want so there are long slightly logs and there are law? Abc flow logs. There are logs from firewall logs. From Nand so. We expose all different kinds of logs after customers game. Go and click. Those options in our Pantheon are in. Api's so customers have access to that locks so they can aggregate those laws with options by intimating third parties right. There are a lot of companies that are companies like Netra performance monitoring diagnostic space like and there are companies like connect. You can take you can go and put those products and use them to aggregate that information flunkies another one of the products so the average can give you insights through your logs. That's one way of doing it and doing an advocating logs is that you can use tact would advocate sent all the logs. Biz Lot of Meta data with a lot of telemetry information. And then you can create your custom views of those logs and then you can understand how is doing and then other things that we are doing. Is that product that I described? Is that to naturally diligence centered. We can use PASA wandering through your interest are through your cloud infrastructure. We do active monitoring of your infrastructure. Be So we can do data plane level. They opened lower telemetry. And that we expose using this product that I describe so naturally center and then new us that telemetry to get your network apology. Inflammation latency information packet loss and whatnot and then there is other aspect to it so we can base modeling what people call like in dental based networking. Our customers had been asking that since we moved to cloud. I don't know. Is this the right configuration that I have because on very mindful control I have full visibility full team operating my configuration and in cloud it reduced it to so many lines so I don't know whether this is the right configuration as I intended to be and also our time as I'm scaling I'm adding more policies. I'm adding more routes and I'm adding more regions and more services. So how do I know the tradition that I have is similar to what ended? So then we have what we call can fig based modeling so be modeled and our configuration and based on the cutting configuration of the customer enriching. Towards your hyper connectivity. As well and then we exposed that big model to the customers so there are multiple ways in which customers have visibility into their logs into their data plane level telemetering inflammation and through third parties. Our own native tools. If you are selling enterprise software you want to be able to deliver that software to every kind of customer. Some enterprises are hosted on Prem. Some enterprises are on. Aws there might be a different cloud provider they use entirely. And you want to be able to deliver to all of these kinds of enterprises. 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Like to talk through a case study so when I think about all of these big enterprises that are adopting cloud in there becoming hybrid cloud or maybe they're moving entirely to the cloud. I'd like to know what that experience is like. What is the migration process like? What kinds of issues to the counter? What is life like before? And after a cloud migration for a big enterprise. Chin naming Customer Avid. Talk about the journey. So this customer is a retail customer. They have migrated their applications in multiple ways. The used the word waves far. How in enterprise will categorize the application that they want to migrate and with priority. Something with a priority going upwards. In a sense they fuss minded which non-critical not so much business impacting something which is really. Keep the lights on for their business. So the first waves would be typically. I want to migrate my sake catalogs. Ellis says my catalog an item services. So then they migrate. And then how people will search through that catalog and items. So let's say that is one set of service and I'm taking some very simple example. Let's say those were of EMC sitting on them and they want to migrate vm. Sitting in the cloud so we were talked about VM. To Liam migration scenario in this scenario. What are the things that they will have to think about? When it comes to networking they will have to think about if the VM. What is the instance size? What is the connectivity that I knew need for cloud is did I beside creepy and do I need already dedicated ambulance circuit? Do I need to go to my you know. Managed Service provider network destroyed need to buy in to connect or whatnot but among all of them the most important thing for them is what is reliability. That link right and if that link goes down for some reason how do I reach out to the sculptor writer? Who DO I call? And how do we make sure that it comes up right because it comes up in the diamond estimates that I have given my ops team? So did a Activity that s allusion wad for connectivity in additional connectivity than new biggest biggest thing that you have is t- Ns without dns you really can art and you know reach any site so then there are products that you would think about like. From cloud mapping prospective customers will have to think about how the configuring. Dns. On brame where they're putting the result where we're moving forward and then once you do that all of that then you would also think about like where is my database of all these services which means like some kind of registry some kind of directory. Then they will have a product like let's say service. Directory is a product that auditing Alpha. Which will have an information about all kinds of endpoints? Vm's are you know any kind of subjects Lord Bandon certain points into that registry into the database so that you keep adding your catalog of services what kind of challenges them come to challenges would be CR migrating. You decided to go with three links or one interconnect and violence targeting. You saw a surge in your access of the services and Saddam. You Bite was completely filled. And then you initially thought this baby going to take. Let's say a day or two days and now you you don't even know where that search happened for example and then second is that your link is down your full connectivities down so instead of one or two days it took you maybe seventies on eight days. So what are the challenges? And how would you fix it? So what our customers had been asking so why not migrating. So during Migration Genu gaming of you off utilization of my current link. And can you suggest to me? As this link utilization goes beyond a certain threshold to send me an organization or allowed so that. I can create a new donald or I can request new connectivity customers. Typically who migrate. They asked this question all the time. So for which we do have product and I mention the Nicholas Center with the activity would be able to help you but what it cannot do for example today but we are building is that how do you give an alert. So that alert is also in an automated week setting up for you. So it's like you know because then you're migrating and things don't happen right you don't know that utilization right then. Uganda really do things. Now the second aspect you are used to accessing your son says let's say you're already using some DC which is authorities said with. You are using bigwigs. Which is our data ended service annual using them through public. Api's but now you have a private set of services cloud which are on BBC. You're using nineteen eating space. But now you're challenges. How do I go from my private space public address? So for that. Then you'd like to create a similar private boundary or for the services. So that there is no exfiltration data there is no public access or user coming from public. Ip Address now getting into a private service space and exfiltrated information so then nucleated product like BBC Where you can create a padded murder of bunch of these services together so you are bickering and and thought sequel than via an union. Vm's all of them together so that you are one hundred percent sure of not using your data in Edward Dantley to any user. Who's coming from social security challenges designed challenges related to that and also do? I knew of either had enough my utilization at any point is going up and down. How do I map my dns entry? So that I'm not the losing access to any of the commerce or any of the services so those are common set of challenges. I would say that we hear and run into especially for the empty Beyond they obliged to react to like micro services environmental and infecting of Microsoft. If you're going from a monolithic application micro services. The scale of the challenge becomes little higher because now you have many containers. You're optimizing than to be done on one coast off across host because of how you want to design your applications so then you need to be more careful about your interest on application design your in the region design all of that how much of the product development for the networking team is driven by these interactions with large enterprise. Is it mostly like you have the correct solutions? And you just need to get them correctly. Configured and deployed for a large enterprise or do particular customer use cases lead to the development of brand new products. I love this question so now I would say that the now means like twenty twenty enterprise ready what that means like almost all because let's say we have. Pride is odd working whether it is retail healthier education men clutching weakened All of them for their most to the demand. Let's say any kind of demand today any known Mandy so yes we are ready we can help them and we are leader. You know leader. Especially in like transformation with micro services and also with the introduction of Antos we have brought in both our power of DC which is the M and containers together in seamless manner. So absolutely so but then there are still new things that we learned all right. So let me take an example of. Let's say manufacturing right you talk about any people. Think about manufacturing are. Let's say construction right construction companies so these two industries logistics. In my opinion these three have been updated or Three four years a lot because of how cloud is evolving because of like retailers involving and these were the goals in an automotive all right. Why are these articles have transformed from the current model of sewing their users to a completely new model call? Logistics happen in how are and how drones are and how logistics like. No people use all kinds of means of delivering say delivering golf packages to home and other services and in the case of manufacturing people used to think only Iot as the of getting into manufacturing all these devices are being managed by somewhere and all of them are coming to cloud so we learn a lot from these new kinds of customers in new industries who are disrupting and some of those things. I would say as Google really best suited to plan because of our global reach because of how distributed we ought in terms of our application design like all cloud networking designed like. We have in drama. Avi Of Espresso the are. I would say you're truly innovators. And also implementers for enterprise based applications for these globally distributed massive scale obligations which are either running Farrell at the same time off. In many cases de cohesive settled Talking to each other so yes we none and we continue to develop embiid more far serving them. Better all right. Well just one more question on management because you direct product management for the networking team. And I just I'd be very curious to understand your perspective on leadership. What's the most important lesson in leadership that you've learned in the last year at speed because last year I would only talk about expedience in Google cloud so in past one and a half year I would say a V? Have scanned our response to customers so we were building products via billing really awesome products prior to that end via a lot of customers but viewed in the cloud native leadership space. We supported we were seen and perceived as company who was cloud needed forced but we wanted to be bought I enterprise and Colorado so when you do that transformation that transformation of what kind of customer Saudi addressing also changes you know. Your team dynamics also changes the people you bring in the team right bad experiences and then having people like who can suck native and I'm talking about product. Management and product management leader and in Google product manager is considered as CEO of the product. So how Ceo off a county of company. Right Milton. Let's say a very large gaming company and we'll think what says how a CEO of a very large you know very established in hundreds of years. Maybe they are. You know that's the mantra primed empty gun to be where they are today when you're talking about these two sets of markets then you need CEO's of the products and the product management leaders. Who can pink like that right so I think from a leadership perspective? What I realized is that. What kind of people do you hide in? How do you bring that knowledge together so that you can solve your customers the best way and you do not look like two different organizations at all you are going to gather? You're learning from each other and you're southern your customers collectively learning from experience so the feature and how do you drive that as a leader? How do you keep that? Break those silos. How do you bring that knowledge to rest to the organization because we are the people like you know who can bring and converse those words for Goo Goo and its customers? So how do that? How we evangelize that and bring those synergies is where I spent a lot of time. Watch me thank you for sure. It's been great talking to you. Thank you so much. Today's show is sponsored by data. 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"Imports Presents. Raises with Steve. And becoming, interview. This. Is Steve. We're back top of our three on this Friday and. Hearing the University of Arizona at and Rick Camera will join us in about forty minutes and certainly Hammer will Pay Tribute to Lute Olson who passed yesterday and for you know for the University of Arizona grads exhibit actually that occurs to me. It just POPs. It as well. was with us, earlier but The. The namesake for midnight lute for those that don't know the connection and and not only will hammer say some things I'll probably get. We'll get Bob Baffert was very close Dole's. Now unsure bobble a day tribute to Just a you know one of those coaches. That is just synonymous with the success of a program Loopholes eighty-five. Dave Greg joins us now and Dave with breaking news earlier this morning and the news broke right ahead of Jay joining us dave and obviously shared the details of. It, really bad Gustavo Gado was very excited about getting him to the Turvy. Was I was Kinda surprised when I got up when I got to the bar and after the work he was he was just shaking his head. No good. No good. No you know. I watched the worst Gallup out I had him out of mile. In fifty six and three and I was surprised at six, seven, eight, nine, eight, six, and three and I thought that the you know I didn't see I. You know I didn't see any issue but I guess coming back you know an. Exercise Rider just told me didn't like what he felt and And I guess may have been initiative before so. mmediately, called the plug on the Kentucky Derby and who is verge there you know go to the farm, they'll get checked out I get more x-rays later this morning it's the you haven't already had him And to go to the farm for you know extended break, and we'll see what the future holds for Cara Cara but you know way he worked. So I had him on twelve and one for three quarters. Click a solid move to me. So I I I actually thought he was fairly live going into the rates and You know I think he takes out a deal I think takes a significant player. I agree and the one of the side bars for me coming out of travers. Just happened I was at that gate where the photographers go onto the. You know that little well trackside and. When when he came off after attending to carry cargo post race travers. I said, you gotta be happy with that. He said he said the tremendous. He said I thrilled the that'll set them beautifully and see plus you answer the question about a mile and a quarter and I it. Yeah I felt the same way David. He was on my my be list absolutely Well. And you know, Delgado. Very quietly as. Has. Built up a nice sequence of three year old success and. The this is little little setback, but They'll. Look down the road meanwhile the day what about this since we're on this topic how about some of the other New York based horses notably new. York. Traffic continuing is preparations. Had worked today I had a fifty nine and to in company with a little tops started two lengths back in his two in front came home twenty, three and three had out camping out twelve and to believe David Cohen if Tim Welcome tweeted out picture of David Cone aboard this morning and worked with the blinkers. Solid enough move and I think Mr. Welsh is going to speak to Mr Joseph and get more details about his plans. But obviously, there had for the Derby and I believe he's on the. Sunday flight From here. put enough move We're still a little uncertain about what Mr Pletcher doing. In fact, as you called, I was just leaving his barn and. Didn't have a whole lot more insight if I'm reading between the lines. If, he has a Derby Horse I. Think it'll be money moves. If he has one at all I don I don't I just don't get the impression that the connections of Dr Post WanNa. Go not so much that. I. I think it might be more surrounding circumstances about. This year's Derby and Louisville then whether the horse belongs are not just again. This is just Go Interpretation but my money moves worked five eight. With year to blame, I, had a minute flat out twelve store up twenty six flat Look I. I'm not sure he's good enough. But he does look like a given what does look like a horse that want to go a distance ground I do believe he'll WanNa go far whether he wants to go in the quarter at. Against this group I'm not sold on I. Believe Dr Post will probably wind up the Jim Dandy. He worked with happy saver and I think Happy Saber will wind up either in the Jim Dandy or you know little wrinkle this year with the Federico Paseo being on Labor Day right it is a win and you're in for the preakness. So you know the pot is not you know a hundred grand. And it's not at Pimlico but it might be I good way to separate the horses and you know if you win and you get the The free entry to the preakness. That's a bit of money to if I was handicapping it now, Dr Posted TESCO. I'm sorry Doctor Postage and Dandy happy saver detect Yo money move. Maybe Jim Dandy. Small chance. Kentucky. Jerry. And we brought this up with j a little bit and and we're. Rebuffed on on the money moves front and we also heard the The interesting travail of Orlando note as first line and his seven minute cameo on on the Derby Watch. I I don't know what's going on with that whereas I mean look I got a nice source treated like an eyesore got made and. Lots of races in the fall all about I'm not I'm not GonNa, tell someone what they want, but they can't let they should and shouldn't do horse but I mean to. The Kentucky Derby Threats. How bad the horse that running the show and then get Him in the test Yo. These aren't rich owners hear them and you know get and then if you win the test, you sheriff picture shot with frequency earned it. You get your free role to me. That's the perfect spot for that horse. All, right we'll watching we'll see we'll see what he does, and of course, meanwhile, very quietly and Extra ably, here is Tis the law, your Derby favourite you're heavy derby, favourite seemingly just biding his time until they had to. Kentucky. Nature will do dictate I think whether they works tomorrow or Sunday. He's leaving on Monday there's actually a small chance you could Monday because that is late enough. I believe that if the weather really. You know messed up tracks a bit you know and they didn't like it Saturday or Sunday i. think there's a small chance you could work. Monday. But you know they're debating whether you know they're gonNA. The weather here sickle. As everybody knows. So even though it looks like it's GonNa rain a lot tomorrow. If it comes later I'm sure Barclay you'll get up at five thirty and look marketing may even good glint Kodak you know. I. Look over there, open the gate of four, thirty mark the. Rating that point so knows I think he preferred to work tomorrow if wait till Sunday look the track did try out really nicely considering the rain we had yesterday. So again, this drainage on this track is really proven to be better and if we do get rain Saturday and he doesn't work in the Saturday is a chance that he could have A. Good track on Sunday after the break. So one of these days over the weekend who work and ship on Monday, and you know look he's going to take a lot of beating but it's going to be as we talked about before it's going to be big field come back front four weeks because he's never done before those are the two sort of. Kelly's heroes, but those are the two questions. And I'm just thinking I, think that's really that's really all we've got right Locally the. Yeah. Everything else is either there in Kentucky or from in California the BOB sources and Believe. It might have worked in Florida today I. Just don't have any time details. So I think he was scheduled to work Janika Palmetto my guess is he on the ground so I just don't have any details on this. No no problem bell good and then how about on the Philly side? do we have any sources here Here. I don't let me. Tell the shape was on our list, but she's in Charlestown tonight what suicide ever already shipped back to you know there's one chance and he hasn't he talked to Mike. The other day belted demain about Harvey Goyal I don't know if there's a final decision there I'm assuming he's GonNa work her. Tomorrow whether you know I, I. Think there's a small chance she could still go but I think that would be the only one from here on. something. No. Because, skydiver sit back on Monday to Kentucky and she's obviously there she's actually. A Little Fun with the media yesterday and put the dirty towel on Vk. Yes. Yes. and plus now now by putting it on her on her back they they're gonNA I think all Kenney said he he's going to give it for fundraising Opportunity for. School. Which is nice Let's turn the Dave away from and we'll check in with you from from Churchill will get your derby thoughts next week after draw and The be plenty of other major players to talk about in the you know on the undercard Chad sending in handful including newspaper of record and There they'll be they'll be no shortage of of new york-based horses and when it comes to a derby, oaks clock a report Sure. Sure. Michael have. Tons of of input and horses for us to. Take a look at we'll talk to him next week as well. Let's get into. What you know feels like a very good Saturday and I know it's under threat of some weather but between the sword dancer and the SARANAC and then the sprint events, the forego came up spectacular and the Amsterdam some thoughts about tomorrow. Today to Lake George. Lake Georgia I think it gives them the speed of. Or the closing kick of Michelin maybe get the get the job done there. Suit mom got sick after the wonder if she missed the opportunity to run here before this race, but you can't say about a mile, it's going to be very, very tough to beat but you don't off maybe the the Turkey had been favoring for a little bit with the weather. Yesterday changed a little bit that helps like Michelin childhood come come from off the pace and then today's going to be a nice day. But then tomorrow as you mentioned looks like we have some weather coming in which couldn't impact with SARANAC end sword dance I don't know I'm not sure which of the three weather services is using that tells them whether rain's GonNa come later because I assuming that's why they moved the ceremony to race three. Hoping that you know maybe they missed some of the rain I don't know but it's just kind of a weird place and that that's a wide open race sort of leaning I'm I'm hoping to get a price on embolden for Mike System thinking that You know he's not the miles out far that wants to go But I thought he ran okay in the Evans for a first start off the bench since July ran against tonight source not a superstar margin There's a little bit wider than that one was, and now I'm hoping that improvement from the first started the second start and he did run against decent horses last year sprinting Jack Noah four wheel drive those. Are obviously stakes winners and many actually if it comes off, he actually was third only be the half length in the springboard mile he was in front after seven furlong. So if it does come off, had a shot in that spot as well. So Dan I also went through that might be a little bit of a price Carelli for Jonathan Thomason. Piecing progression here the first race was you know that was a little. You know if you look at the Tiller stakes eighty thousand dollars or whatever eighty, eighty, five, thousand tiller stakes that came up pretty race you've got to remember this is. Right. When we first got started back in, you know it was it was a race that would have been. You know like the Ford March here's something that Iran Shabas door was in there there was it was a big field. There was some good horses in that race parent wanted wire-to-wire i. don't know what happened to him since So. Solid rate in for him wasn't a great race only quarter length and yet that the gay it put lace lasix and blinkers on his next start in the grade. One United Nations and I thought he ran a solid enough race only beat a link and a half You. Know. Talking to Johnston. Thomas. In my story that he didn't think he got a whole lot out of the chiller and maybe he's racing his way to fitness maybe third start off the bench and switched to. you know if he I think the key for him is break because he didn't break good. The first thing they did this tailing him forgot assistant started behind they're holding entails detention out of the gate and it Kinda work lifetime he he was only four lengths opposite early and It can keep it in striking distance I. think he has a chance. Soft GRANDPA essentially, he's run well on soft ground in Europe. So I thought was interesting look, Mike? Bakers had terrific terrific meet and not never not gonNA throw armed forces accurate phobia. Ferrelli last time. So and Mike very high in the way he kind of gave me a he doesn't say in that manner, but he said, I don't care what they run along the way the source doing right now let's run it. So he he's very high on the way. Akra? Phobia ran last time how he's come out of it and his expectations for this particular spot. Well, the what about the Sprint's. Sprint three year olds sprint look yaupon was. Impressive. I, thought in the his other then victory now you know what? What did he? I don't know but I like the way he did it one. Oh, nine on one for second career thirties trained well here since long weekend. You know they're just here's an issue I guess. Yeah. Find Out. There's a lot of feeding here. He's part of it long weekend part of it even Premier Sasha could feed so. Wonder where Craig is maybe based on the trip and he gets a wet track What you showed in the hopeful last year he won't mind that either so he could be You know he can be dangerous cutting back to the sprint making his first start for for todd pretty wide open race I just think Gabon might be you know has the potential be on the brilliant side. So we'll see I could be wrong and if I, if I didn't go up on probably figure that he's going to get chewed up at his feet and that like set it up for basement forego you said the terrific race. I don't have a very strong -pinion opinion forego I see when win twelve to one. At that hold I could take maybe take a shot there I'm look I'm I'm I'm a fan of mine control I don't think he gets the respect that if someone would resume get should they should get But if the wet track we certainly didn't like it in the Carter. So I'm not sure why would like it up here but he did win the hopeful. To and Jerkins at three and some feet. If if he wanted to grade one off forego at four mentioned earlier when we talk about the source when he ran the vanderbilt I do not have any horses in graded stakes era to have won a grade one at Saratoga three consecutive years. I had a couple of great multiple, the three time grade one winners but. One in one year and two and another. But if you're able to win a great one, three consecutive years with those types of races you know. That's that's a pretty impressive to me. I. Don't know if he's going to be able to do it. Especially track is wet interested to see a couple of horses like complexity how he runs I started comeback race good. He did win win win last time but you know when win his central on dirt races as a three year old were solid I think you said it stakes track record Tampa You know back in January two, thousand, nineteen. So as a price play I, look at him he's run once then twice in a wet track I'm not GonNa hold the Kentucky Derby against him. He was second to always mining in the Laurel steak behalf stakes immoral two year old. That was at the time we're always mining. One everything in sight at Laurel? Yes. I and I'm glad you brought them up I I ended up and I'm using this race in our in our contest in the beat bet contest and I ended up picking funny guy. But I know that when win wins going to be on my tickets and I i. like the Way Funny Guy Coming into this third start of his four year old season and what what's not to like about his efforts Saratoga and I think he's kind of a horse and ninety two to start the bidding and I think you might get every bit of that if not a couple of six higher. We're did they whitmore favorite here? Seventy two I guess I guess that's probably right but You know the second to volatile vanderbilt and after he broke through the starting gate at this at the break coming, you know obviously he's a, he's a definitely deserving favourite you're going get down and who has written wants four. We'll second to mentally and the count fleet sprint in the slot by the way last year It it. It's GonNa. Be Fascinating rates from a betting perspective. I am curious he got this race and I'm I didn't NBA. David Aragon having making morning line for this particular spot. We should mention the brought up complexity, but we should also mention Chad's other horse who has Marty McGee would tell you the open air outside box where the air is fresh and clear Foreign Hill. Getting a big opportunity, the Indiana bred four year old. Who's going to make his first Consecutive start without a interruption line. Yeah I don't know what to do there. You know I I'd like to see the price before I would consider waging on him. I mean he he ran a nice race last time. He beat Amundsen tizzy the one I think those horses would be about fifty one and this. And I don't know I understand it's fresh and clear on the outside box. It it is a really nice. You know for I know people have one, one, one frustration. Some people have had of the stakes front during the summer has been. The size of the fields well, th there's nobody that can complain about what you know what this group this group became up now numerically or in terms of quality it is really really fun and. Before we talk about any two year olds and of course, next weekend the Dave with with the big great ones. That mention how the Shoe v you rounded up a bunch of phillies mayors. Conjured them up out of a hat. Yeah what it came up nine, some of that three todd's I. Didn't here royal flag who's been favored at all all for starts if she didn't run very well in the molly pitcher, but she did have a little bit. About. Heat exhaustion coming out of that race according to Chad. So I don't know what price he'll be here. you know coming off a bit of a bad effort in a stakes race I expect her to bounce back with a good effort and I think the The Real Wild Card here is Michael's from better still lucky stride or been racing in. Puerto. Rico with a gaudy record of eight wins three seconds from eleven starts i. have no idea what she's been facing down there nor does he but just you know she's had a couple of nights freezes here in the one on the sixteenth was with win, win win, and so when women runs good Saturday and keep that in mind for for the silly on Sunday and you know I don't think from better knows how to read a condition book. He could find knows where to find spot that might have been a little softness and he feels good about giving her shot here. So interested I'm interested to see what price she goes off that I I need to again from not a matter and I think I'm approaching this race and media. Totally Wrong, but I'm coaching this race that I don't want to summer colony purses. So I'm looking elsewhere I guess you know maybe in our Super Freak for sure. who beat who finished ahead of in front of the. Flag find is here. She's probably. Playbook too. But I'm it's GonNa take the approach that I'm not going with the summer colonies. No morning line yet but I use this race for our contest as well. Dave for beat bic and I reached for lucky move. and. Here's a six year old mare. Of Ten strikes and she has kept good company is she's a New York bread that people. May Remember and I that race that she ran in the obey off the off the pandemic break. It really caught my eye and there's actually been a couple of races that that she has run and he's got like a punchers chance in here. She moves to Manny Franko she had no business being where she was early in in the del Cap I it seems to me that there's a lot of horses that want to be. In the vanguard as Dave as. As we would hear Durken's say and I think if manny sits back, you know the second half of this field and makes one run that she's got a a interesting look in here. Okay all right I'm I'm not I'm not there but I see she's run a few rates races being competitive In some spots and yeah, she did win the obey impressively forty two to one hope you had that Dick Yeah I see what you're saying I'm not sure that I'm there. I'm just I'm taking a swing just because I just up seeing right all the everybody wants to be second first second or third in this field and she at least you know that that she can come from off of it, and if manny takes that approach and Guerrero, Guerrero's no dope I I I just kept looking for somebody from that was going to make our make a run essentially and I I think. I think she's the candidate and she's going to be price. There we go. How about some two year old action this weekend, and then looking ahead to the spin away in the hopeful. Well, you have a You know I'm sure I'm GonNa Guess at your listeners and yourself seen that commercial about the run happy bonus. You know. It's on son of a project you've run happy. Windsor. Maiden that multiple tracks including Saratoga the owners get a hundred thousand dollars bonus and we haven't had too many run happy's of show up at the but we have actually we have to I was remiss in not pointing out that Jimmy the kid is by run happy. But in tomorrow's six three happy Mac who's a half brother to Shantha Lot who ran maybe the race of the year. Of anybody of any year I mean a of any worse. When an dance with one twenty-one buyer if he passed that part of the Gene Round Happy Mac and Jamie McIntyre might be happy signing a check one, hundred thousand dollars to the island. with this source good gateway to back SITA's. Running. He's got that outside bought tree and clear which may not be the best spot for two year. you know they tend to take a right hand turn hopefully he breaks straight sharp that that an interesting race horses like Charleston strong for Jeremiah. Founder, for I, don't know why you'd be more astounded by the way founder for Chad Brown, and new bound for todd. Pletcher are also interesting Another is a Chiro Grass race on the court to not. Put what else you got with zero? Looking ahead to next weekend. Oh, next weekend Well. As as I've written and most people now West award is never seen the two year old that he has like and Guy K I believe is headed for the. Spin Away we ran her against Hoping Cutler Boys, I showed the silly rates would go. So I, I don't really have a great line on spin away just yet. I know that Marquess he works his phillies make mischief and beautiful Moore's this morning I would imagine one or both would show up in that spot. trying to find their but theory. So Yeah, beautiful memories maybe and day in day out of the office I haven't talked to him since he's came in here and took the money with that. Kelly S A day in the office opening day. Guanacaste one I mentioned Lady Lily Fancy and didn't get a big number last time for first time and I would imagine that Doron show up the roster below say in in the spot for the hopeful. We have we only got thirteen. So the hopeful I would rian, but it's going to be a solid race. Saw Back for Todd Jackie's warrior who look very good in the breeze here the other day for Ashby. And, reinvestment risk for Chad. So is part of the top Two Year olds that we've seen at the meet. I don't know who else will show up in here It looks like a small field to me maybe perpetual for Santo but it'd be good way to close up. Those is off was always good way. Interesting. We have to hopefully winters on the program. Right Basin and Michael Ryan. Winners are in tomorrow so Maybe they'll stop by maybe these two year old and stop by a little chat about how to win the hopeful but those guys. Well. Dave. I appreciate it and Anything else that just looking back from last weekend Four star Dave and and Diana. Course Could. I might have it. So let's go talk to Wesley Day. Golden Powell is Back Qinglin go train up to the. Breeders Cup. Sprint. Camping Nells, we won pre more nee I believe in. Kennett back home on the fifth. She will train up to the juvenile fillies serve four starts days that was holiday. Charters in between waiting for the Breeders Cup or running in the keeneland race seems like a horse that liked the action or magic he's training. Well, you know looks like he's ready to go again. TRY TO TURF MILE Chateauroux Mile at Keeneland You even you know very well. I. Don't know that you know. I. Think. The pace was all in his favor and he Can Get that breeders. Cup I guess the key, the Breeders Cup, the grass races are which Europeans will come over and if the pandemic limits The travel in any way I guess. That's GONNA be. Key to figuring out. Yeah. That came up actually with handy the other day and he wondered aloud he said, has anybody addressed this at all even whether That's A. You know. The practicalities are. Here. Here's where I guess. It's more about people. issued a horse issue because the horse at Mont ran in the. Folks were set. The battle is came from Europe with any issues, but there was going to Mont. so judge mom sending that horse. Directly to mark, it's a matter of like you know with Aidan O'Brien be able to see if you want to run some courses here. Would he be able to send people here? What so? So what's the protocol? In doing so You know a lot of time. Those horses come on top of the race figuring that tall help any has that he needs to be with these horses We can afford seven two weeks out if that's what protocols are. So I and he's right these protocols needs to be announced fairly soon. So trainers horsemen from overseas can figure out what they can and can't do the. Very much. So all right. Well, you're going to Louisville. I am. Sure. Yeah. Right. After the show. Well. It doesn't sound like that's. Part of the country to be in right now. But. It'll be it'll not that this is a major factor in deciding but it'll be my my twentieth straight and Might be come to an end twenty, twenty eight. To twenty. Good 'cause over. You'll start a new one. Well. It's It'll be interesting obviously Dave it's going to be. Unusual. To say the least I thought. Okay. I will I well, I haven't. Really are you going to be you're GONNA blow right out of here Monday. Every year. Traffic there's no traffic on. Labor Day at least at the time I leave because they're all they're all home. Everybody's coming this year I don't. Even less. Exactly, there won't be any teddy anyway, but I'm GONNA. Try to get back on Sunday we're we're we're supposed to run Sunday and if I can. If I can high tail it out of there and make it you know into Ohio foreign, Ohio as possible Saturday night. hopefully hopefully, we're in the tenth on on Sunday gives me an extra few hours to get together. If you're making a tenth definitely bring back crispy creams 'cause. Right. That's. I love it. I love. Dave. Thanks so much. Travel. I appreciated Dave Greenwich Everybody Dear Rennick with today's breaking news with Caracar and nick camera swings in and nick standing by and of course, today Lake George I didn't really get into it with with Dave but nick can tell us we likes in the. In the late George neck morning. Doing Okay Okay. Yeah Yeah Starting staring staring down the. The eight hours the eight or nine hours in the car starting at about one o'clock the. We haven't had neither neither you or I this week we haven't we've kind of not. Addressed, the the racing closely i. Focused on Indiana the other day. But we'll swing back into action here and some thoughts about today's Lake George before we look Saturday. I was wondering where Sweet Malania was gonNA three surfaced and I kind of have expected to be in. Saratoga Oak. more the lake placid earlier in the meet and gendered up here which I thought was a little surprising I. think she's a pretty impressive winner of the wonder again and looks like the one to be has the speed to stay involved early and. Cozy inside posted the positive as well. I wasn't too clever. Not too creative. I think he'll get the job done so. Yeah I. Don't think you have to get To. To creative maybe tomorrow you're going to need to get creative. Let's talk about this Saturday card and. We're GONNA get some weather i. know some people were expecting Armageddon but it it doesn't necessarily look like it's going to be rain It doesn't necessarily look like a washout and you know the to turf races, the SARANAC early the goes the third and then the sword dancer later the mile and a half as the ninth and. You know I guess we could assume good the yielding by the time they they spring latch. and. The good thing about the granted. Sal Program. You know again lead, they would be on different courses. Wanted so much earlier than the other I think is a big positive and certainly helps the situation but Yeah I mean look obviously there's faith forecast. There's GonNa be some weather and we'll work around it. Talk about talk with the SARANAC, let's let's do the to turf races that will do sprints and and then Cherry pick. Myself to Saranac I, mean look at a lot of people are gonNA just default to the euro assuming that you have a horse shipping in from elsewhere and take to wet her face on what he's done so far in his career and that is imperative for for trainer Chad Brown certainly could kick off what would be a big day for Chad Brown and throw it would kinda revitalize what's been a pretty dull meet all things considered but It's not like comparators been facing particularly great company overseas. He's barely enlisted type in France but you know the types generally move off when they come to America and I think there's enough to bank on their the horse who he beat last time out. Manson earns his his okay. He's not anything special. He did come back and win his next art and he was placed in a listed day. So there's a little bit too like there I thought of the the contingent forces that have been in America for while the one that appeal to me most actually was. Irish. And the The Jersey Derby is was a race that was run at a very, very slow pace. The winner ended up getting a sensational ride from Paka Lopez slipping through the insights win going away an Irish me is I felt was compromised by both slow locate and a bit of a white trip in the final three furlongs or so I thought that he Could improve enough to be dangerous. He's going to be a big Christ in his body and and you you feel like it might be a course where it's hard to quicken. Then I would say that a horse like Don. Juan. Kitten is that you WANNA use prominently I finally got a great ride from Kendrick moves last time as you've waded while the runaway. Leader was tearing off ten twelve links in front and I'm not a job on the late runners including fugitive have favorites at day but don wanting acquitted himself well to back with second domestic spending he seems like a solid and afford and I'm going to expect to run a pretty good race Once again, the short answer you know I Kinda WanNa fresh faith with. All due respect to Sadler's joy and and channel maker in the rest of these I don't need them as far as as what they've done so far I wanNA, try somebody that might be a little bit of an outsider and I thought Pedro. Car. If that bill he ran wants in America last year in the Grand Prix Jockey Club invitational at Doll Mont.. Missed by knows to Spanish mission who of course is a great one caliber in going long on this earth and ran of excellent race day now comes back off a layoff having performed well in Saudi grand motions, very good with the types as far seated up to Serotonin has gone along I think there's plenty to like and I think Carelli is dangerous. I think the obviously going into the race at Monmouth you're dealing with Jonathan Thomas born struggling mightily over the course of the last six months technique that thinks it's sort of shown that that he's waking up a bit and They seem the most interesting to me. Look I don't want to be beaten by sappers joy but I think it's rightful to be tired of these sources by this point and and we saw they did in the bowling green the Deke aside none of he or cross-border maker good enough to make me think that they're standouts or that that they need to be used prominently in this spot. Turn to the main track and might be wet might be sloppy might be fast. We'll see it's obviously the draining a question was has hasn't been answered at the meet the draining has been improved with the. with the new base that was dropped down and Do the Amsterdam first then we'll talk about one of the best races of the summer on paper the. Forego. Dissuaded by the potential price on a horse that I've wanted to do this for a long time, and so I have to like eighth and the Amsterdam he's been for cutback He's a meeting to go shorter really all year, and now he's doing. So for new trainer Type Pletcher, obviously the comes up wet it's only gonNA help his chances given his one try on track Saratoga last year. Of course, it was a different surface, but he performed well on sloppy tracks on a couple of times subsequently so. He thinks like the type that likes it flat. There's going to be pace in front of them. I think they're they're almost has to be between creamier star in one weekend wonder where Craig is all of them Wanna be forwardly placed yaupon slow. So we'll see some pace for the source to run out late. I think he's going to be very dangerous yaupon the horse to beat in one I. Think you WANNA use today in the pick five without question I think the advantage he has a. One rating debut. So if he can sit a little bit off the pace, that's GonNa help his chances and mentally and looking at it looks like this working a ton of talent. So still a lot of room to move up as time goes by and I would say that around eight to five or nine to five I think he's priced properly I'm against long weekend I don't like the race gramlich especially track gets wet. We got pushed into a hot pace but I didn't he offered much resistance against sources that are really just did players in here and I can kill end up. Everyone to stop offering making other horses offer a lot of value is going to be so over that. Let's turn to the forego and what a fun group this thing produced. And you know we we kept hearing certain names like like trump had told me I'm going to run win-win wedding forego and I was like Oh good and we knew whitmore was headed here and then sister send with everything that was going on with Alexa Tonia and and then ever fast the Nettie, he's even got true timber. Now, this thing this thing's nuts A. A really fascinating race and I think where you didn't have the the prominent sprinters in this division not show. It actually created a great opportunity for this second tier. So to speak with voluble the Coleman, not being here but yeah I mean favoritisms probably GonNa be somewhere around three to one. I don't think it'll be any less than that maybe not even and. With moral, probably go off to save it and you know heck. Whitmore's jockey last time didn't even feel strongly enough to ride in back and I think that's a bit of an angle I don't want to buy into that stuff too much but I think it's it's very telling that you'll Rosario is on guy and and I thought funny guy was just really really sharp. Last time I it was it was probably his best race to date my opinion he broke alertly and the concern of course going into that race was at Amundsen looked like a potential own speed and Rosario just gave the Jose were teasing aboard Amundsen. No opportunity to take control 'cause funny guy broke. So quickly was was right attached to his hip right away and. When you see a horse especially one that's been the truly made his bones routing be that sharp sprinting it just shows what excellent form there in. So I'm interested to see if he's continuing to to work. Well, that was something that was going on prior to that John Morrissey win and then the other words that I want prominently is complexity I think that he's obviously Always been made to be seven eight to one mile type around one turn and and you don't want to hold them out against the too much between the shipping and the fact that it was at the tail end of the year the obviously it had some physical at your I thought his mile race last time was outstanding I think it set them up perfectly for This, and he primarily drew outside of the other main speed. But I also think there's a big opportunity for him to take control of this race from the start and going back to his first couple of starts to two year old I think that's when he's at his absolute best as most feed horses are. So those are the two that I'm going to really focus in. On I remember texting you shortly after the the race, the complexity and win win win exit and saying I really hope trump at a win win win back because I think he's I think he can be a great great to caliber sprinter so I wish there was a little bit more pace I think that's the only concern for me but he's worse that I have. To use I've always believed that that sixth and seventh for a long says his game going back to the early part of his three year old season I thought he showed that he's the one that I'll use. Whitmore can beat me here I respect him. I don't think he's affected at seven eight years at six and I don't think he'll be effective in it's OK straight. Well, and that's the key is the pace scenario and not that he hasn't been ridden you as he's matured, it's not as if he hasn't occasionally attended you know and and. been put closer into range to compete. So we'll see how how. approaches it and. Louis I as the right guy for wanting to get into the draft he's pretty clever with that and the also can conserve finish. So it is just it's the weekends best race and I, actually used funny guy as pick in the. Beat contest and I think. He's the right emergent horse at the right time and I said with Dave Greenwich to that win win win would beyond the tickets for all the reasons you Tie in and complexity I. Mean that does feel like the Know. The three horses, the four, six, seven, and then anybody else you might. I mean mine how do you not respect mind control and you know and even forensic fire who everybody wants to try to abandon all he does is kind of pluck away. So this is this is fun. This is. This is why you come to Saratoga anything else on this card that grabbed you. Not so much for abetting perspective, but I will say, I'M GONNA call my shot that the run happy bonus gets paid tomorrow with with happy Mac on the outside in sixth grade the first time starter by run. Happy perceive as we send this is the half chance lot who bill Haluk. Brought torches for three hundred, sixty, thousand last year. Of course, there would be a nice little Angola in roads are Houston so as mattress Mac and I think that based on. The name I think they felt like this source might be the one that sex should get the bonus and the could get things started. So there's actually another run happy in their and there's a run happy later on in the card in ten I. Guess It's worth touching on the tenth because it isn't that late pick five seat now racist that's pretty out of traditional things considered by the thought that running the SARANAC early with the weather forecast was a better. Idea you know this is a top two year old rain. This time of the me you often see horses that have experienced cabin experience do a little bit better because the first time starters behind the eight ball. But wait experience sources in the tenth looked like a really brutal lot. They really don't look like they offer much appeal I felt like the winner would come from one of the two barnes a meet between always Carina Jau stor Zeina. Lara Lara was A. MILLION, dollar yearling purchase by warfront out of delightful joy who was trained by Chad Brown broker maiden on debut. Then went off a big favorite and the Beaumont in her next start at keeneland ended up having a nice career. She only ran six times. She was a great three winner is the worst thing my want more ground alternately but I think she can be effective at six o'clock seems to be working well to so we'll have to tap that workout report. And for everybody playing the late pick five, because the NIGHTCAP will be pretty chalky feels flash packing Barbie eloquent speakers should get the job done but price sources to include a I would say or the eight Miss Jimmy coming through finger lakes third off the layoff had a lot of trouble. Last time sources run races that are fast enough to be competitive choose music. Nice. Nice. all right and you know one thing I didn't do day day Jeff. Gave a few on there you go I didn't look at the cross country. Have you looked at it? I not actually don't even know what other races are involved in it, but I'd be happy to share some thoughts on social media or on our. Analysis. I appreciate I'm just looking at pulling it now it's thing usually I get I get to that but I was packing and and You know I wasn't able to be as Adroit, this morning as I like to be. The okay they're using. Oh. Nice boy. This is terrific. They're starting with that that two year old race Saratoga sixth. Then the eaten town. At monmouth. Which is I'm pretty sure. It's the town, the ninth. It's gotta be the in town and then would bind the seventh I wonder is that the that's the Ontario Colleen maybe. It is it's the Ontario Colleen. Actually the Mo the race at Monmouth is something else because the the eaten town is the fifth. So we got to see what they're doing at. Monmouth, what what that is the ninth, and then it comes back to Saratoga for the forego and the Sword Dancer. That's the goods fleet. Yeah that's a that's a nice sequence and I'm very quickly as hammer joins us I'm gonNA very quickly pull up the MONMOUTH card so that we could see what we're getting in that night. and. Here it is. It's a second level allowance going mile and a half on the. TURF. Club don't see tons of names that are jumping off the page reconvene for Benny Perkins so high for Jonathan, Thomas epic bromance Kelly Breen. SOCIAUX for Steve Clarice Mo- KIEF. And a couple of days. Okay. This'll this is this is an old fashioned race boy. Optional Thirty Thousand Non Winners A to lifetime the other than going a mile and a half on the turf The sequence starts at Saratoga though at three fifty seven. So be aware. All right. All right victim row everybody and Tam two, one five. We got the last quarter of Saratoga to bring you through and we'll talk the Dick of course from Louisville get mixed derby oaks thoughts next Thursday and Friday let's stay right here. Close out the last ten twelve minutes Hammer standing by rick. Good. Morning. Good Morning Steve. How are you? Getting Ready to hit the road as I am I. going. To go a little earlier and I said, well, wait to do show and then it turns out I've got a couple of things to do. So instead leaving at five or get out of here by eleven and. And, take a leisurely drive And you're going West your. Little. I'm going to Franklin. Contract well, we're. We're GONNA. See you right during the week. I not sure. I got A. We've got some entries there but there's a couple of dark days and probably had we'll definitely be talking. And you know I'm I'm I've been home. Long enough I'm ready to go back on the road is. About the road is good especially now like you know Roy Action. But So cars packed and they said a couple of things to do, and we'll I just have to get to Lexington sometimes I gotTA appointment to get tested on on Monday I think it on the thirty first. Following the protocols and gotta get tested like everybody else, and then down to Kentucky down because we we knew raw right after the the Derby. This year right derbies on Saturday Kentucky downs being open on on. Monday. So we start taking entries on Tuesday next week. Hammer will obviously we'll get plenty opportunity talk that front and get out in front of the Kentucky downs meet including by the way the Kentucky downs Surf Contest, which will be the thirteenth and sixteenth. I had ten Nicholson the other day that was fun and we touched on the meat. So we'll look forward to it. I do have to take advantage of your presence though in the wake of the news yesterday that Lute Olson Amer at eighty-five. An. Absolute Legend for. The university and alumnae and everybody else and in the game, a basketball and extend our sympathies and looking forward to from Baffert, to about about his longtime friend. Noodle Olson. I tell you what was something else. There's not too many. People associated with University University of Arizona that when you mentioned the name synonymous with the school and I was lucky enough to go to go during his tenure in the in the late eighties. When just had some great basketball teams Steve Kerr and Sean Elliott and Tom Tolbert and You know there's nothing like it and and you don't know let's. Not Been there to go to college where you just mentioned where you where you go and somebody goes off basketball team Louison I mean it really kind of makes you go to school like I think all send put University of Arizona on the Mat. Schools in their a hundred and fifty years and it was just a school. And got to remember I grew up in southern California in the pack he wasn't attacking wasn't. It wasn't a bag Santa was the pack A. And I mean the the the not only the king, a basketball in town but in the king of basketball over the country and was was Ucla with John Wooden Front, and it wasn't even mistake when you when you saw, we heard about college basketball and the PAC ten or the gay it was ucla and that you didn't even go beyond. That and for Lute Olson's to come in he commenced from University of Iowa I remember and in a short short time up just a, you know a team than just cowboy town of Tucson in short time turned it into a a national prominence. I think I think they're twenty five years. I think they went to the the the the tournament twenty three years. Turn to turn the national attention from UCLA over to the University of Arizona, and that was just a moving its own but not only just to coach i. mean it was just synonymous with the community with Tucson and was one of those guys that you know you bump into them at the grocery store or somewhere every once in a while and they've always talking to somebody always stop and say hi, so I mean it was just one of those cool guys that you're proud to be associated with and and And any time his name was in the news or isn't a news what he district that you you pay attention so a lot of wildcats are You know thinking thoughts about Lou today and and family and. It. Was It was you know proud moment in my life I mean, can you name it? Can you name a University of Arizona football coach? Enough you can't. Write. State Bath, you can't. To Think University of Arizona. Very, proud proud to go school during that time and You know go to go to the call games I. Mean we we don't miss a game and so pretty cool. Wasn't there when they won the championship those years later but just had final four games and they really Kinda when you. When you were out somewhere where you go to school, you'll say oh Basketball loot office. So it was. Kinda made that made a mark. And anyway the. Good long life and You know they get to be a teeny part of it like vodka fans out there. So Luke breadth the. Well, I referenced earlier You know the namesake and the midnight lute not just named after Lute Olson but also the midnight that the the midnight practice and the introduction of the team when the official start date of college basketball You know training whatever the practice season would begin and the midnight you know that that was the that was, where did it originate with with Arizona and Olsen or we're other people doing that? Probably other people were doing that but. I, want to make you know make the news type of thing and Yeah it was. It was it was a basketball frenzied count and and I was just thinking said very quietly I went to college for four hand just locally the northridge here it was like, okay no big deal. but to go to school where you really revolved around sports, Baptist football team wasn't bad then either. So but everyone kept saying, wait a basketball widow basketball when I got when my first year Steve Kerr with her. So. He wasn't on the team when I was there I think it was eighty six and five or eighty six and John Elliott and Tom Tolbert and just a really good team. Next wait on this Guy Steve Kerr comes back and talking about and then the next year Steve Kerr came back from his injury and just electric it was just it was so cool. To get season tickets I. Remember I remember wait in line number I had a lot of concert experience wait in line overnight first concert. So it's not wait in line overnight at the Mikhail senator to gets make sure you had season tickets and it was always a nice thing to have in your back pocket. A season ticket. You've got the ball. Very cool. Midnight little. Yeah. That's. Really Smile when I hear that that name to and it's it's Nice Savak well-named worse. That's good. You know. When a couple couple of championship a couple of readers friends and you know. wonderfully May. Can't run elect. But This. Great. Great. Just we got about two and a half minutes Eddie Anything Catcher Ryan going into the weekend or like me if you've been kind of focused getting ready to hit the road. Well bogus getting ready to hit the road I know it's the calm. Before the. Storm by child from starts after the people that got hit with that and I was Kinda worried about driving but I'm going to be cultivated behind that data as it hits up there. But now we wanted to mention that staffer Joey that we talked about last week Prince's nor. Did what she was supposed to and we were talking I think she'll find another star and. We'll be very, very tough Dr to David. Jerkins this morning before we got on I've got four forty leaks coming up and very, very happy with the maze very well managed with pre day weeks and we talked about that earlier with and like it could have pushed and gone four days a week but and probably have been some thin spots was three days was the right thing to do. The fields have been have been good and you know three days of of you know healthy fields ten eleven rates the days in. Great. So they'll end up with four and four and on on. Labor. Day and a lot of. Getting to because of the break afterwards both the Belmont out here a lot of jocks you're going to be heading to, Kentucky Down some of the first time. So the championship lineup out there and it's gotta be fun for them. Just to get away from the you know the paper clip all the time and took run on on up very. Cool. Lay Out there up and down undulating hills. Bank turns and we're looking forward to fund meeting that a little bit more next week. But now, getting ready to to you know get down for a three day run and. Forward to get back to Kentucky and and hopefully figure and and I'm not sure if I'm gonNA catch the Derby or not lie, but we'll we'll be in the state. Well and safe travels. You undoubtedly beyond the phone this afternoon and tomorrow morning as we I've got to basically split it up about the you know about. Eight and a half hours now and. Then, another five. Give or take a on Saturday and. I'll talk to you on the road. Drive as the never you. Won't catch you. Re Camera everybody and we'll talk to hammer in Kentucky and from Kentucky next week as the Kentucky downs weekend gets close and I WANNA wish everybody that's on their way including a DC. Dino. Dino is on his way he sent me a great, the tax and. Private message and he's on his way to Reinoso. For the contest that we talked to. 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TimeformUS Pacecast | Episode 65 | August 4, 2020

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TimeformUS Pacecast | Episode 65 | August 4, 2020

"Hi Everyone. Welcome to the August fourth edition of the time formulas pace cast I'm David Eric I'll be joined very shortly by my co host criminal cousy this on the podcast we're going to recap last weekend's racing from Saratoga and del Mar obviously. The Big Day I'm Sarah at Saratoga was Saturday's card be during the grade one Whitney as well as the grade one personal ensign, both of. Those races featured upsets one of the minor variety. The other was a pretty major upset and the personal ensign. We'll talk about those races as well as the Al Jerkins and the Bowling Green and the other stakes races from that Saturday card and not a delmarva saw one of the last major prep for the Kentucky Derby the shared beliefs stakes the recipient of it upset air to. Discuss Great One action that Clement Hirsch and the Bing Crosby, and then we'll talk about a couple of other racists from around the country to wrap up the show this week Crag it was a pretty interesting week of racing. Feel like feels like some of these divisions got. A turned upside down a little bit some minor upsets but really some. Pretty impressive performances in some speed figures that I we're GONNA have on talking about. Yeah there certainly were there were some very good performances. I'm one who kinda likes when it when things get muddled up a little bit I think it's better for for us as better when when we don't have everything set in stone like it looked go in particularly in races like the personal ensign in some others that we saw. So I liked the divisions be a little more wide open I. think it makes for a better atmosphere just A. Better experience for the player not the have racist that we think are just givens when they start and see something different happen. Now let's start off by discussing the. Whitney. That was the big race on Saturday at Saratoga, and this one was an upset of the minor variety. But I felt that this race was a little anticlimactic because when you have the some of the toppled horses in the country coming together, you want to see everybody have a fair chance and really get a sense of WHO's best when they all get clean trips and that wasn't really what we got here. Take take nothing away from improbable. In great form right now, he's really taking a step forward as a four-year-old for Bob Baffert and he's a deserving winner of the Whitney. You just wish that his competitor's had a fair chance. Yeah. It was a pretty crazy race once again in a neither raceway absolutely no pace. I mean who never would dream that we had a twenty five second opening quarter in a in a race like this may be part of that was due to Tom stay tie having some trouble at the start but he's not really a front runner either and Mr Buff who who's better daisy I mean, this source has really really tailed off of late he made the Ledin in just. Pedestrian fractions unless you thought, he was going to rebound the run back to his best racist. It was pretty much over at that point given the position improbable had The pizzas was pace was coded all win time form us all the way up through the mile call, which isn't really any surprising improbable was distance running too fast at the end there was no way they were gonNA real main after that slow paced kind of like the sprint race we talked about last week. Yeah I was posting some of the track is fractions for the final three furlongs on non twitter, and you just don't see come home fractions like that in dirt races, and that's because these are very good horses but it's more a function of how slowly they went in the early going and I think Tom's Day came home in something like thirty, four four, which is just unheard of in a in a dirt route especially at Saratoga but I mean that just speaks to really how well day todd ran within the context of this race and. I don't know if you can go as far to say that he would have won this race definitively. But I think he would have made it very close. To Me Thomas is nothing in defeat because I mean, if it watch the start when they're going that slowly upfront and he Two to three lengths at the star. It's just almost impossible to make up that kind of deficit and I really did think he ran an impressive race to get up for third because just look at how much code of honor was negatively affected by that pace. He could make up any ground in the stretch at Thomson top is really running fastest of all at. The end, it's just a shame that he doesn't get to win a prestigious lake race like the Whitney because I don't know how long how much longer we're going to have him around seven year old at this point, you really WanNa win with these horses when they're in top form as he is it's just a shame that he couldn't show it on the big day. The I should mention the figures for the race of final time figure firm probable was a one, twenty seven. It got knocked down because a peach to a one twenty three Tom State. I actually got the highest figure in the rates of one twenty four because obviously being last he doesn't get punished for that slow pace nearly as much in fact not. At all in this case in I think what you brought up a great point I, I would argue with anyone that said, he may have been the best horse in the race because when you see how easily he was able to finish worst like code of honor who we know has strong finishing kick it was it was in front of earlier in the race. He was just flying home. So I don't think he really loses anything in the FIDA where we're GONNA see them next but he certainly ran very well and I think he's still right there at the top of the division as we move in the talking about the personal incident, I will talk about the figure a little bit more but that's about it for me on the Whitney a little. Bit Disappointing as you say, it was nice to see by my standards rebound the little I'm still not sure he's a great one type or side does a very good grade to worse. But given the position he had earlier he held on well and was able to hold off some of the others. So not not the most exciting figure race but I do think we saw a couple of good performances. I'd with that and I think we're learning that this older male division is a lot more wide open than we might have thought even a couple of months ago or even four weeks ago before maximum security returned and ran a similar speed figure and this race where we have more players in this division than we actually thought and I think that's a good segue to the personal ensign because that's turned out to be the same scenario in the older Philly and Mayor Division as midnight zoo is a really solid. Into I don't want to shortchange her. She's a champion. She's just been at the top of her game for a long time. Since. The start of twenty, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, and. In this race. She ran one of her speed beat figures ever. So I don't want to take anything away or knocker performance I. Just think that she ran into a horse that's at the top of her game at six years old in vexatious and really got the trip and loved every bit of this mile distance. Yeah, I mean it was hard to knock the performance by either the top two obviously they both ran very well what can how they ran away from the rest of the field it was over six lengths back point of honor and third who's proven to be a very good fairly at this point, not not really at the top of the division but she certainly shows up runs rates every time both the winner and the runner up midnight be sugata one. Twenty five time for speed figure for the race. The pace was solid enough. It's not coded red or blue I would say if anything it was just pretty much even all the way throughout. So I think it's just a good strong performance I will say I do have a little bit of reservation about the speed figure that I assigned both this, and the Whitney were run at a mile and an eighth and I use the same variant for both it's one I'm going. To keep a close eye on because I do think it's very possible that the Whitney was affected by the pace and maybe a little slower than it otherwise had been head. I rated the the personal ensign alone just using horses in that race it wouldn't be a huge, but maybe it will be about three points lower in had I done that it would make the the Whitney would get the P designation in the figures would probably come out about the same so it. was definitely a tricky call for me and one I'll be keeping a close eye on I. do wonder when I see horses like motion emotion in abounding joy have better figures in been running being well beaten back in fourth and fifth some of that's because of the pace, but it's just an iffy situation. So it's Kinda splitting hairs the top to run one, twenty, two or one, twenty five. But that is a bit of a different said I would be keeping an eye on. Yeah that's a good point because you could say that both of these paces or anything but fast, but the Whitney pace was really a slow as you're ever going to see if one of these grade one races for older horses at this level and they came home as fast as they possibly could. So could they run faster of the pace had been a little? m- more within the normal range in the early going I think that that's a tough question for you forget to answer, but it's possible. I don't think problem with the figure you assign vexation as vexatious and midnight zoo. I mean midnight basically ran the same figure that she earned when she just beat late in this race last year and it's kind of funny to compare this race to the twenty thousand nine personal ends in because it was almost the exact same scenario bid came into the stretch with a target look like she was going to run down stations except this year she couldn't quite do it because vacations really dug in and just fend. Her off and I don't WanNa short chains vexatious and make the seem like it's some massive upset because fixations I know she's been on turf for the most of her career and they've only given her limited opportunities on dirt. But when she has run on dirt in the right spots, she's run some pretty impressive speed figures in her own right. I mean, she ran a big race and that summer colony at Saratoga last year when she only all's to feed a blue prize who went onto win the Breeders Cup. She's a good horse. She's just in top form right now and I don't Wanna go without mentioning the job that Jack Sisters and has done with a lot of these calcium at farm horses. It just seems like so many of these graded stakes for have a really running top figures and running their best races. We'll talk about another one out of del Mar that ran later on Saturday but he's just doing a great job with these horses. And I guess we should mention there was an inquiry in the race but I I didn't really think there was a whole lot there vexatious certainly came out but I think it was more just a give her a book at the competition. She got right up next to midnight be sue but I didn't really see anything there didn't have any problem with the stewards call at all. Though I agree with that, we'll have another steward's decision. We'll talk about a little bit more later while there was a bit controversial but this one, but I thought this was an easy one to dismiss. Wrapping up the great one action on Saturday at Saratoga was the h Allen Jerkins for the three year olds. Going to seven furlongs and this one. featured. A bit of an upset we at a turning of the tables from the woody Stevens that was run at Belmont the big favorite in this race no parole just didn't appear to be himself. He had to sustain a little more pace pressure on the front end and he fell apart of the quarter pole and ECO town who had second that what he stevens. Took a step forward off that performance but let's be honest eco towns always been a nice horse. He always seemed to run speed. Here's the put him right in the mix and the public SORTA. Let him be the forgotten horse in the race he went off at seven to one paid sixteen dollars to win but he made a lot of sense and he just delivered. Yeah. He did I think if I remember right on the forecast, we both thought he was a strong contender in odds. Shocked me in this race to be honest I was interesting watching the Fox broadcast they were highlighting no parole parolin his trainer Tom Amos is one of the commentators and he didn't like what he was seeing at all and you know it was one of those times you got some. Good information from listening to a trainer because he wasn't acting himself, he didn't run him run his particular race. Now, you could make some excuse for him in the the fractions were in red, but he's a horse who ran fast last time and kept going. So I don't WanNa make too much of an excuse because of pace but whatever was bugging him in the paddock seem the carry over to the track That said, no knocks on Oh townie ran one eighteen time form USB figure, which is right in line with what he's been running He got out of the gate a little bit cleaner this time but he wasn't forwardly placed. He showed his little more versatile than LIA previously shown coming from further back. But once he got into the lane in got clear he really kicked clear from the other. So really solid performance in. Any problems saying if the if this develops as you would expect heading into the Breeders Cup season, he would be a contender in the spring. It's not like three year olds can't win the sprint. We've seen it many times in the past. No one it appears we've got a couple of very talented three-year-old sprinters out there. We'll get to one that want to raise a dumber this past weekend as well. But I agree I go down does nothing but run fast beat figures in these races and he just shows up every time he likes to win. He's a real fighter. There's a lot to admire about this source and I also don't want to shortchange. The second-place finisher tap to win because he was really the only horse that chased that quick pace and was around at the end. He made the first move to take over at the top of the stretch wants no parole threw in the towel and I mean Eco town beat them by three and a half lengths but I thought tap it to win for the first time a show that he could overcome some adversity. Deal with hotter pace upfront and more contested pace. Still Finish off a race. It seems like he's putting it all together. Yet does he impressed me? I dismissed him I didn't really think it was a contender in this race in I mean really probably wasn't for the win. He was never gonNa be the the winner judging by it, but he certainly ran very well, and I would argue it's his best race today even better than the allowance racy one back in June before. His trying the Belmont. So he certainly promising sprinter hopefully, they're gonNA keep him around one turn. I would imagine that's the plan after what happened go in turns last year but it just another good three year olds sprinter a s for the rest. The I wouldn't say there was a whole lot anatomy shoplifted ran. Okay. But then when you look at the Fourth and fifth place finishers you're GONNA see some huge prices and captain bombastic Insana Man. So the race definitely kind of fell apart behind it's a race where the speed towards his other maybe no parole if you wanna give him excuse or probably a bit over their heads. So if they drop back in the more reasonable spots, it's one where maybe they? Could pick up a piece just kind of a handicapping thing for me horses at our little over their head contest the fast pace often run well when they're dropping class. So I wouldn't look for him running back in another great one or even great do sprint. But if they show up in a weaker race, they'll probably be better than a running line looks. And immediately following the what he's the I keep calling what he's Stevens immediately following. H. L. Jerkins on Saturday at Saratoga. They ran the great to bowling green go like three eighths, the turf older horses and this one future at a little bit of controversy as our good friend Sadler's joy appeared to get the victory for brief moment in time cross the wire I. You could see even on the pad shot that he was trying to lug in badly for the entirety of the stretch drive and the stewards rightfully took a log look at it and obviously He caused the chain reaction that affected multiple horses. You can debate who was cost a position and who wasn't but generally in these situations when there's a really hard bump like there was between Sadler's joy and cross-border, which that affected the horses to the inside and turn the stewards in new. York, they pretty consistently make a ruling against the offender in that situation, and that's what they did and they play Sadler's joy fourth in an elevated cross-border to the victory. Yeah, I didn't have any problem with that disqualification at all. As you say, they're usually pretty consistent with that in New York. It was a sound bump. The head on I was almost certain. It was going to be disqualified. It is one of those cases where I don't think there's much doubt set where joy was the best horse but that's not how it works here in the states the best tours the doesn't guarantee you a win. If you found somebody, he definitely caused some other horses placing in my opinion. So downey goes in and he got the Q. Not only that they probably put him in the right spot. But that's it was a solid enough race both cross-border and Sadler's joy got one twenty, five time form USB figures all the top five or within one twenty, three in one, twenty five. So it was really good grade two race I was interesting from a strategy standpoint we had talked on the forecast, how Marzo and cross-border seem to have all of a speed in the race but watching the warm, it was pretty obvious. Marzo was the one. Who was going to go? He was being warmed up really vigorously whereas cross-border wasn't really looking back across borders past performances even though he does have speedy tends to run a little better with a target I don't know if he would won I guess I do think Sadler's joy was the best but I think it was the right decision in it was a decent enough race. I think we'll see a lot of these horses in great ones. The one I was not really surprises mentionable in the forecast I liked. Taiwan. Sky He got bet elevated up the second and he seems to be round them back into that really good form he showed earlier in his career as a three-year-old. Yeah. That was a good call in highland sky because he was a big price in this race, he was the one that they just completely ignored. At He's he's a horse that's run some big races on occasion and as you said, it seems like he's getting back onto form. Yeah I. Don't know if cross-border would have won this race outright without trouble. Across borders that loves to win races and he's a hard fighter and it seemed like he was really trying to come back right when the bump occurred. You know Sadler's joy is a horse that has a ton of him. So I mean I would have held on if he hadn't felt those horses I don't I don't know I'm not willing to say that. But I think in those situations, it's the right call the kind of side with the horse that was fouled they get the benefit of the doubt. I have no problem with elevated cross-border to the victory and he's just a cool horse I mean he does well, at any distance I think the I start that he made for Mike Maker going six furlongs on the turf and he almost won it and he's effective going as far as a mile and a half he's in new. York bred just like some like it hot brown is Mike Makers got two of the Best New York mature forces anywhere in the country it seems at this point. So he's just a really admirable horse. I don't know if these are the best her forces at the country, but it was it was an interesting race to analyze. And we'll wrap up the Saturday. Action at Saratoga with the first race, the card, which was actually a maiden race for the two year olds going six furlongs and we saw the horse that might end up being the hopeful favorite of everything proceeds. Well, for this the next few weeks as reinvestment risk for Clark Staples and Chad Brown came through on the inside of the top of the stretch and just ran away from this field of really impressive finish for this first time starting to year old. Yeah what's impressive visually and figure wise. He got a one Oh nine time form USB figure which the best we've seen from a two old this year so far, and the final time was actually one fourteen. It was knocked down a little because of the slow pace what impressed me the most was able to track the track a few lens behind he showed some versatility. Being, able to digest rate, it's a lot of times you get these big figures in two year old races and it just a horse going out taking the lead going really fast and I told a more from that in reinvestment riskin I have no problem at this point saying he's the best two year old I've seen both firm looking professional and also from speed figure perspective. No, I totally agree with that being rated well behind horses and as you said, he came home very fast and the final quarter mile. This was a race coming in where there were a lot of stories about horses that had been working well seemed like this is one that could produce some live runners even in maiden races later in the meat. So it's worth monitoring the run BAX. There were some horses that were beaten a long way in this race that really didn't run badly all things considered. So watch this one for trips and look for some horses coming back out of this race to see if they validate that speed figure that reinvestment risk earned because he seems like the real deal. Sting at Saratoga going back a few days I wanted to just briefly touch upon that New York bred stakes race that we saw believe on Thursday the John Morrissey going seven furlongs as funny guy didn't earn the best figure that we've seen from him. I think he ran a little bit faster and his comeback off the layoff in the commentator but just want to mention this horse because John Terry Novas got him in great form right now and other talking about trying open company with him in the future I could see it because. He didn't run that fast in this race, but he was just pretty dominate against this field. Yeah. He was in this race even as a speed figure guy on putting no stock in the speed figure whatsoever it's accurate for what we saw but I don't think it tells us a whole lot about funny guy he only had a one thirteen it was not the one eighteen was his final time figure. There is a bit of a piece adjustment in there will be rating, but it was another Niagara Race where the pace which is so slow it was almost impossible to give a good rating. So this race was basically rated isolation all the fractions are coated in. I if you look at the horses in behind that, that's what we try to do. Make the figures make sense for the majority of the field in this situation, and occasionally a horse like Funny Guy GonNa, take the brunt of that method. But long-term it works out. There's there's no point rating him as a one, twenty, two in overrating the rest of the field is a handicap race I'm GONNA look at I'm GonNa see the Blue fractions in P and say good effort. I'm not going to judge them on that from figure perspective I'll go back to that one, twenty two, he ran last time, and that tells me he probably could run in graded stakes and open company He certainly seems to be moving in the right direction. He looks very professional doing it in I. Think the future is bright for this guy I look forward to seem an open company. I agree and a lot of these performances we're talking about like improbable who's obviously a better than funny guy right now but same pattern they were pretty good three-year-olds but just really taken a step forward staying in training as four year olds. So it's nice to see these horses stay around and really show of a fielder potential. One more race to touch upon from Saratoga last week took place on Wednesday. It was an option claim may one, hundred, Fifty, thousand, allowance race, and this one was won by breaking the rules. This is a horse who came off a very log layoff to win. I. Believe on Belmont Stakes Day a number of a number of weeks ago, and he validated that return effort in this spot coming from. Pretty but well off the pace because we have run off on the front end with Gd is often the case with that of breaking the rules got to the front end and just kicked away from these horses beat a solid field and seems like he's ready for that step degree that sticks company? Yeah, he sure does he got a one twenty for the win. He was coming out at very strong race with digital age who's already come back to win some other horses have comeback out of that race him run very well. So is certainly a strong race in. In not a whole lot to say on it. He certainly looks ready for stakes company obviously would do in there. Running off all the fractions are going to be coded and read I do think that kind of makes for interesting handicapping in the future because it does seem to me like a lot of time. So some horses are some riders get really tentative when when we get this really fast paced, they're not really sure how close they should be they kinda have late run. So I do think there's some excuses in here but breaking the rules had a great spot when the speed backed up, he just kind of took over and was able to hold the others off pretty easily so. For. Me At these races are always Kinda Fun I. Don't know why I grew up in Maryland watching the horse named rocket guitar who was a Pfeiffer turf sprinter but every now and then they would try along with horses used to run a lot more often back then in vest `grats races. So you know they would see a grassroots and give them a shot and I would say at least half the time he would. Open up by ten lines and he would just hold on the other people didn't know what to do other times. He wouldn't eat wind up beaten the poll but I just always like watching these kind of races with these off side I'm not sure what they're going GonNa do what Ye do. They tried sprint numb recently tried routing him. He just seems like he's too headstrong and I don't know what the deal was with him. Though. I agree. It's fun to watch those runoff types I mean one of my favorite horses from the past. Decade or so was precious passion who would just run off these marathon turf races almost one that Breeders Cup turf doing that. Once one the United Nations opening up like a twenty five lead in the early going those are some fun races to watch back. Doesn't have quite as much fighting him as precious passion did because the often juxtaposed in the stretch once it goes too fast and he faded to finish last in this race obviously. One of the things I want to know about this race is that if you're looking at the official fractions for the first two calls at least I pretty sure they're not correct I think we. Just missed out on the tele timer. But yeah, there's this was a pretty fast paced even though the fractions that are published in the form might not reflect that. Yeah, I forgot to put the T. on this racer if I did it didn't show up in the chart, but it's definitely one I time the fractions from video and they're pretty darn accurate maybe within a tenth of a second at worse. So which say in the time for you as PP's is good I, I didn't use a posted fractions. You mean accurate from track I assume. Pardon you made accurate from tracks? I assume. No I actually timed them from video the problem with using track. This is if you compare it to the other races tracks in Tel timer, don't time races the same at that distance usually a pretty good gap between them. So there was a different mile and a sixteenth race on the card. So at, I just plugged in the track times it would make this race look faster than it really was. So I timed it from video and went that direction Gotcha. Let's move onto del Mar and discuss the stakes race in the took place out there last weekend. Wasn't a graded stakes event but one that a lot of people's eyes were on Saturday was the shared belief one of the preps for the Kentucky Derby and I think most people were expecting honore P to kind of solidify himself as one of the Derby favorites along with his the law. He only had three rivals to beaten this race, but he couldn't quite do it never really looked like a winner of this race at any point some might criticize the ride that got a little bit. Because, he did make premature move into the first turn that said though he still had his chance and just couldn't quite get it done against thousand words. Who seems like he's back from the dead I mean this horse seemed like he was going nowhere back in the springtime but Bob Baffert really resurrected as form. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. 'cause he was kind of written off for awhile and deservedly. So I mean he was running terrible races at oaklawn but since getting back to California teams, they've rebounded in I'm not gonNA knock out Makia on our EP too much for this effort. I think it's a little shorter than what he wants. He obviously had some trouble at the start when the other Bob Beitcher baffert worse kind of Sei's. On. kind of crashed into early and I don't even have a trauma any trouble with the premature move because the pace was pretty tepid we don't have it coded and blue, but the fractions the pace figures were kind of escalating throughout the race. So I thought it was a decent enough effort. They both got really good figures for three year olds a thousand words of one, twenty, four on Arabia one, twenty, three, ask do have to. Keep in mind we're in August now. So compare these preps for the Derby is like back when we were comparing him in March and April, you expect these sources to be running faster. We saw horses like Charlotte run in these kind of back in March April. So I wouldn't say they're quite as good as them, but there's good as what we've been seeing from horses like Tis though all from uncle chop who we're going to see. In the travers coming up this weekend. So it was a strong effort I am always a little bit leery these figures in in four horse fields I mean for the most part were says, get pretty trouble free trips. You could argue that certainly wasn't the case with the start in this race, but there were other routes on the card and the time basically told the story I was a fast race for the class and asked pretty perplexed. Words just Kinda as you said, come back from the dead because you don't often see that without a horse getting a lengthy break, but he ruined didn't he came back after that April racing in July. So just a short break in, he looks like he's found this two euro form. I've got to be honest. This is a figure that I I. Don't I don't doubt the time I have no reason to leave that to you to checking that stuff. I doubt you're making process because I it all makes sense within the context of the day. This is just a figure that I can't by I mean it's a four horsfield everybody improved significantly I I'm just not seeing I mean kiss today goodbye got a one twenty-one. I know we're in that one twelve February. That's a race that we had talked about, and you're even considering adjusting that down by ten points because nobody else run back to that figure up until this race. And Cezanne who didn't run well, also improved by ten point I'm just I'm just not buying this figure. Sometimes, it's just a weird circumstance where figure just might not make sense within for the horses in the race, but it makes sense with context of the day. But as a handicapper I kinda have to Suss these out and determine which figures mean a lot to me which I want to emphasize my handicapping in which I don't, and this is just one that I can't quite wrap my head around. So all the interest that these run back to this number in the future but I proceeding with a good deal of skepticism. Yeah that's kind of what I was hinting at I feel the same way it's a I. Don't know if it's the four horse field thing. Worse is able to relax more whatever it is but you know as a figure Gras I'm not GonNa just guess for no apparent reason went when the time say figures are what they are. I did check him from. I didn't have to make any adjustments or anything like that. But I would agree with the I'm skeptical I certainly wouldn't consider thousand words a atop Derby contender even though his figures as good as anybody who's GonNa show up in the race at this point as I said on our API. Still would I'm kind of putting the line through this race the I don't think he was fully cranked up I. Think it was more out to get exercise. Things didn't really go his way at a distance shorter than he likes. So I do think he is still a top contender but I have no problem at all with your reservations on the numbers. Yeah and I I didn't really touch upon it but I agree with your assessment of ap John Sheriff says just the kind of trainer that you know circles a date on the calendar as a target, and he tries to get there with a bunch of preparations and I think they're probably viewing. This has just that it's not the most important thing in the world to win the listed shared belief stakes because this obviously already has the points to the Kentucky Derby and. As a prep I guess this trip probably didn't well, I mean he had to move at multiple points during the race and got some needed fitness out of it. So I'm not gonNA write honore off based on this effort I. Think it was just a stepping stone. And we also saw the three roles in action or at least one of them. Later in this dumb are Saturday card and the grade one bing crosby as collusion illusion who has been undefeated so far this year is a three year old coming back notched another victory this time against the older horses this was raised that was strongly affected by the early pace as they were really going at it on the front end and it just completely fell apart inclusion illusion got up over the fast closing lexa Tony Allen. Yeah was an. Commented on twitter that this was one of the weakest looking great ones I sprint that I've seen in a while and it really played out that way in it set up for a three-year-old not I didn't particularly like neary hadn't run particularly fast but if you're any was the favourite so I was against him. But given that he ran, he adapted to the pace scenario. He got a great trip up the rail from Flavian Pratt and he got the win. I don't even think he was the best horse in this race. He only got one nineteen win a couple of horses behind. Him while Abiding Citizen Wild Man Jack Actually got one twenty two for being part of that hot as they were both a little wide around the turn. So I actually think ran better but at the end of the day collusion losing got the job done I. He's a horse I still would think needs to take a step forward to be a major contender in the sprinter's I I, don't think he's going to get that kind of trip every time, but he is moving in the right direction. It was a career-best and he's a horse to keep winning races. So maybe there's more in the tank. It's kind of funny that you know there are very few great one sprints for older horses on dirt these days aside from the Breeder's Cup sprint and we just saw two of them within the past couple of weeks and the disparity in pay situations between this bing crosby and the Allergy Vanderbilt I ran at Saratoga is just so apparent I mean the horse. That was scratched up the gate that we were assuming might be the one depressed volatile on the lead, the allergy vanderbilt within this race that was lexi token, and he was way out the back door early like five lengths behind the second to last in the early going and I think it just speaks to the wide difference in pay situations between these races. Yeah, it was pretty crazy and he's a really consistent horse. He's one at that. I kind of Bang for the he got a one eighteen run in second. He's attractive tractable sort like you said, he can be up close it if the pace slows down, but a lot of horses can't do that where they drop back in still make the run, but he was able to do it. So solid effort again, I, I don't think this was any grade one race on paper or even after the fact I doubt you do either but you know at least collusion illusion is a three-year-old with some room to go forward. Yeah I would agree with that. They still have upside but this was not the strongest grade one that we've seen. We did see a pretty strong grade one on Sunday at del though that was the great one Clement del Hirsch for the older fillies and Mares going a mile and a sixteenth, and again, we had a little bit of a changing of the guard here. The public was certainly onto it because they bet the winner fighting mad down to favouritism. Proceed with a bit of skepticism skepticism based on her upset victory last time out. In. The vanity. When she beat CC earned a huge speed figure that day and she validated the performance here because once again, she showed that high speed into the front end and she just never looked back all these candy came to her late but she was able to hold her off at both of them are some pretty respectable speed figures. Yeah. I don't have an official speed figure yet. My guess is it's going to be about one twenty five. I'll tweet that out sometime later today what it officially is, my partner does the West Coast figures for the most part but I mean, it certainly fits. He's done her fingers earlier in they've come back. She's back them up and and run well, every time the the pace was solid here. It's not going to be coded Bluer read but the fractions or the figures were decreasing. So it's not like she had a cakewalk upfront, she was running fast in was disabled to handle the rest of the field. It wasn't that long ago we were wondering if maybe CC was at the top of the division but now she's been handled twice in a row by Fighting Mad I. DO think it'll be interesting to see what happens. If she gets a tangle with a little bit early in her route races, she hasn't really seen that yet. She's now three for three, but he's been on clearly now like I said, she's not doing it. Easily she's going pretty fast. So so another phillies going to have run the keep up with her, but that is the one reservation that I have with her she's fast but I want to see what happens when she gets in the early. Yeah I'd agree with that and I just want to add from this race I mean, how bad do you feel for all these candy who it just seems like she can't get one of these grade one races I think it's now three times in a row that she's been right there and the apple blossom. Most of us thought she around the best race in the Ogden Phipps when again she attended a very fast pace and just got nailed on the wire by she's a Julie and then in this race, I mean she was second-best because fighting mad as you said I mean. She said illegitimate pace up front but always candy was getting to her late another really game try by her there's a grade one race somewhere with her name on it. We'll see maybe Stephen strikes on the big day later in the year but she's just been in great form and been consistent division of horses haven't been I mean you mentioned cc hard not to love was also considered one of the top names in this division at the start of the year and she finished last in this race. So we just had some up and down form in this Villian division throughout the year. Yeah I do want to mention always candy win this race last year I do think it's a great was a great one even last year so she might have one under belt, but I'll have to look that up to be sure but yes, he's been hard knock the hard while course this year just always coming close I do like this she was coming on at the end. It's not like she just gave up she closed at. Margin to within a half length that wire. So you would like to think eventually sees GonNa pull one of these out. Maybe they need to find a soft spot but I am starting to wonder if she's a horse who doesn't like the win, even her wins in her career I've always been pretty close except for early on the first couple times when she was in against really overmatched competition. So I'm wondering if she's just not a win tight. No you're right about that. She did win that great one last year I think we didn't really regard her as one of the top names in this division even dad time because she was beating what we perceived to be a slightly weaker field. It seems like she stepped her game up now as I believe, she's a five year old. But she just can't break breakthrough this or even though it seems like she's in the best form of her career. Wrapping Up del Mar from last week, we saw a notable performance by a first time starter on Friday as Bob Baffert sent out the three year old filly happier to win a seven furlong maiden event and you had to like everything off from this phillies she broke sharply set a fast pace and just kept going and she's bread to go longer. Yeah I have to be honest. This is a race I hadn't seen I didn't even know about it because like I said, don't usually do the figures out for out West my assistant does and as I was looking for what races we were going to review on the show I found this one solve a figure was like, Oh, my God. That is a pretty, pretty quick grace. So obviously, a very good race for Philly this is one that looks like she has stakes potential for sure given that one day one sixteen that she ran Just, a real strong race in I'll be curious to see where she shows up next obviously must have had some issues not to debut until the very end, the July over three year old season but she certainly got some talent and it wasn't like she was a big surprise I made you went off six five you would expect from Bob Baffert where said has this kind of ability but I would say she even exceeded. Yeah and she's certainly bread to go longer distances as she is a half sister to king. Zachary, who won the Matt Win and also was the winner of that mile and three quarter birds stone Saratoga. Last year is setting I. BELIEVE A US record of that performance that horse was by curl in happier is by St said so maybe she doesn't have quite as much time on her pedigree as does but she certainly. Bread to go farther than seven furlongs. So we'll see what Bob Baffert does with her but based on this performance. She's definitely quick enough to step up against some of these three year old Philly steaks later in the year, and you know that Bob Baffert can get one from the maiden ranks right into stakes company. He's seen him do that with a number of horses. So I'll be interesting to follow this one's career. Let's wrap up this show by talking about a couple of other venues I Mahmut parked or feature. This past weekend was the Mama folks. Not. The Best Group of three year old phillies and we were just talking about an up and coming through it looks like she has so much potential Dodo. If there are any horses with that kind of ability in this race as hopeful growth, who was one of the favorites in the Delaware Oaks, the number of weeks ago disappointed that day but she certainly rebounded to win here in impressive fashion. Yeah was actually a couple of horses from the Delaware set brand one to in here with her and project whiskey I just brought this race up because I think it is a. Point to rates for the Kentucky Oaks the top two ran. Okay. One await figure for hopeful growth. It's certainly not anything that's GonNa scare the Phillies at the top of the division, their connections. I actually watching the race I thought project whiskey might have been the best horse in the ratio a little trouble at the break got caught wide around the turns and still ran a one. Oh Five. But she did show that her winning the Delaware where she won at a really big price wasn't it wasn't a fluke. She certainly taken a big step forward since moving out the two turns this year. Yeah I don't have a whole lot to add about this race I didn't think that highly of the Delaware oaks coming out of it, and this race was mostly dominated by horses exiting that race. Hopeful growth brand fine. I thought Antonio. Gherardo. gave her an excellent ride saving ground early getting off the rail when she really he really needed to coming around the far turn into the stretch. and. The others say they just didn't really take that step for that they would have needed to so. Many of these horses are going to be major players in the Kentucky Oaks, but is used that it's good to highlight these races that are offering points for likely to see them see them in the starting gate in five weeks time. The final race will discuss on the podcast. This week is one from Ellis Park. Last Sunday was the Kentucky downs preview turf? Cup. They actually had a number of stakes races on the turf at Ellis Park. This. Was the one with the biggest purse of the mall and factor. This really was the headline attraction in this race I think they met him down to odds-on favouritism. He'd been in great form to the early part of the year for Brad Cox and he put forth another strong effort here wedding going the mile and a quarter distance over a soft turf course was pretty game to hold on after laying down some solid fractions in the early going. Yeah. I wanted to point this out to because he's been in such good form. It was his fourth win in a row would interested me as there was a mile race on the card as well but he chose the run 'em in the mile and a quarter event at distance. He hasn't traveled before and he was able to get the job done again I ran one twenty, two time for USB figure all of his wins have come in at one twenty. One Twenty six range and what makes them particularly dangerous as he is a horse wit really good early speed, but he doesn't have to be on the lead early as he wasn't this one, he's always going to be up close and he seems to be able to to handle either way I will say on the the track rating condition thing we have I wouldn't really call this A. Solve course as the official label is it was probably closer to that maybe yielding even good condition based on the time that we saw all day but it certainly wasn't the for course said he was running on earlier in the year. So just another strong effort from factor this I, I'm not sure what they're gonNA do with next but trying the the Mylanta quarter is what piqued my interest here? Now, I mean certainly earning a speed figure that's just as fast as a lot of the graded stakes races. Now, we were talking about in New York recently. So he could definitely move back into those graded stakes grade one events for Brad Cox later in the year because he some speed figures back at the fairgrounds that suggest every bit as good and while I agree with you, that time wouldn't suggest this was a software. Of course, he is a horse that won over very hard firm going at the fairgrounds over the winter. So it's just nice to he's got that versatility that he can win over a variety of turf conditions. Always, got to recap this week. Obviously, we've got a big weekend of racing coming up at Saratoga with the travelers scheduled for the Saturday. Seems like it's Kinda snuck up on us a little bit. It's not an unusual place on the calendar of that will be one of the last major preps for the Kentucky Derby, which will be you just four weeks away after this weekend. So we'll record time formulas forecast this coming. Friday presumably to discuss some. Of the travers card and the big race and whatever stakes schedule around it in addition to that on Saratoga on Saturday. So looking forward to doing a little bit handicapping with you Craig later in this week, remember as always you can listen to us on dot com, spotify tunes, Youtube and soundcloud robots podcast. Just make sure to subscribe to the daily Racing Form Channel thanks for listening this week and we'll be back with a time form forecast on Friday.

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - August 2nd 2019

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - August 2nd 2019

"Originating from our Jimmy Johns of Lexington studios welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets as the field comes with a quarter of a mile to go calix minutes still the leader Benny shakes loose to me in front by to to narrow second on the outside outside of them comes bobby's wicked one trying to put in a rally mackenzie is starting to Storm Home in the center of the track. There's an eighth of a mile to go calix later. Here's Mackenzie finishing strongly on the outside and he goes right on by still having fun moves through on the inside axelrod identity politics. All the touch hits Mackenzie hit a dominant performance pure last Malibu identity politics wins the photo per second still still having fun and we're in that group as well now. Here's Anthony Stabile Jude Feld good evening. Everyone and welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by Nyerere bets here on the Horse Racing Radio Network on the big again. Anthony Stabile joined by the positive of the big four Jude Feld. We are live from section B at the SPA Saratoga Springs Saratoga our took racecourse down our Jimmy. Johns Lexington guest is operatives Sir only Dela Pena. We have thirteen sticks for you tonight. Jude it's good to be he's sitting alongside yeah. That's <hes> racing rarity for this show in particular and <hes> looking forward to it's been a a longtime coming a lot going on thirteen stakes eight of them nope nine of them from right here at Saratoga Saturday editing and Sunday the Physics Tipton Racing Festival is upon us with me day Marylou Whitney Day tomorrow on the league greet Mary Lou Whitney you passed away last week. At the age of ninety three. We'll have a ton of racing's three year olds in the West Virginia Derby. We will get to it right away. If you WANNA play along with US head on over to narrow bets dot com opened the camp. The Promo Code is his each R._N.. 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To a one horse racing radio dot net for the test and the Whitney should be a fantastic show tomorrow do yeah yeah we got <hes> excellent racing and should be a wonderful all right well. Let's get involved. They'll be five stakes all tomorrow a couple before our coverage bridge one after coverage degrade reach Roy kicks things off and race number five field of just six and that's what happens when hobby packages say this all the time the fastest horse in the world that could very well be world trouble at this point regardless of surface the grade three troy's at five and a half on the turf. He's a grade one winner on both dirt and Turf Vis Year Judah perfect four for four. He's earn half of his one point. Three million in those four starts yeah we actually have several millionaires in this field the numbers one two and three have all made a million dollars and rocket heat is chasing his he's up to six hundred twenty six thousand so it's very nice field even though there's only six horses entered <hes> if world of trouble and pure sure sensation both run and there's no reason to think that they won't they could <hes> tie up in the Speedo and if that happens <hes> I like lean stir on the outside <hes> Rusty Arnold very high in this horse we interviewed him a while back and he talked about this worse. Ah One of his rising stars and you can see why he's got <hes> a lot of <hes> gumption you might say in cincy switched to the turf. He's done really really well. It's got the outside post so I may take a little shot if the price is right. I think we're going to get a really square price on him. Because world of trouble is GonNa the draw tons of money and pure sensation has a legion of fans so <hes> we'll see what happens but <hes> keep an open in mind and take a look at lean stor right so jude NAS conceiving this to world of trouble I am I had <hes> nothing real clever to say. I'm proud of Jude for having me some wits book I don't have. I don't know if I'm just tired diet or if I just got into speed newell. I'm GONNA speak yeah. I'm not winning anymore. At my age shape. I'm and <hes> I just think he's he's too fast for these horses and as the good he's the goods <hes> disco go ponder that speed duel develops the old hard knock in New York bread and earned almost one and a half million dollars won't be surprised if he picked up the pieces <hes> with the help of his stablemate fear sensation that would not surprise me but world the trouble. I think we'll take some beating. According to the old racing form comment and race number a five the grade re troy race number seven the phasing Tipton Law. This is a restricted stakes race force which not WANNA graded stakes this year twenty nineteen mile and a sixteen on the turf Chad Brown represented by projected and sacred life who ships in from France first time chat or other teams juniors goings ride. He also has Ticonderoga so three Chad Brown born. July was one of those three. Did you look elsewhere. <hes> I landed on <hes> I think two of those three I like sacred life. He's the first time starter in North America. <hes> got a one thirteen racing post rating very high rating. He's GonNa Excellent skiing of races in France. I I think Chattel have him ready. He's he's been up here at Saratoga since May nineteenth while I was his first workout so Chad had him shipped right to Saratoga from Europe and and <hes> he's been training him here ever since no doubt pointing for this race all along. I gotta think he's going to be fit and ready <hes> he's maybe just a touch better than the rest of the field. <hes> Lou Colon very nice horse in in great form. <hes> hearings done a great job with them. He's got a good turf figure for this field <hes> way higher than par for the level. I think he's going to be super tough and then Ticonderoga I mean if he didn't have bad luck. He wouldn't have any at all just just just horrible trips. Ah last two times Javier gets back on them in for a horse that comes from well off the pace hobby. Your seems to have the right neck with the source. He's won three races on them so I think it's a it's a good thing Javier has taken him back and and we'll see what develops but those are the main contenders to me. I like Colon <hes> care McLaughlin random of a fourteen month lay of West Karen during breakfast at Belmont I it should what do you think he goes. I like him. He's doing well. He might need the race. I really like them for next time. Got The money last time and you know he probably ran a little bit better than expected but followed up with Karen doing really really well since <hes> hasn't done too much with him but forces sources men <hes> been a picture ever since <hes> that went off the long break and I'll try him. I thought Noble Indie ran well you you know I didn't think noble indy did a lot of running to starts back when you do who's also in here when gate to wire annals of time was coming off a huge layoff <hes> he came back to win pretty handily here at Saratoga last week but nobody follow that up with an even better effort last time when second to low cooling. He's drawn inside. I don't necessarily think he'll be on the lead. This festival horses and here I big noble in the price may be able to wake up here. You got to like sacred life a little bit. You got like Ticonderoga <hes> but I'm inside the loop colon to take down the seven the Fowler Tipton Lor you are the graded stakes action starts in race eight. It's the grade one test seven furlongs on the dirt four he three year old phillies. A field of seven has been entered. We really have a little something for everyone here. The Kentucky Oaks winner certain getting empress was second Gwarada in the Acorn last time out Bella Fina the beaten favourite in the oaks for multiple in fact they three-time raid one winner including one at the seven furlong distance and with that Delmore debutante last year she ships in from California Kafi comes in from the Midwest trainer Brad Cox Trench Town Cat comes from Florida for Rohan CRICHTON and Royal Charlotte comes from everywhere Gulfstream Keeneland Monmouth Belmont Win Win Win and win for Chad Brown yeah <hes> you know she's a very talented philly. I've got her on top. She has the right style for this race. There's plenty of speed in here. She can get an excellent trip. She's got kind of an outside. Draw which should help are a little bit. <hes> I think she looks double tough. Sarah <music> getty empress <hes> arguably the most accomplished Philly in this field capable of huge races on occasion and she's dropping back in distance. I think that's going to help are also impressed with the two forty seven <hes> workouts in her last two forty seven three last time out July twenty first the best the morning I think <hes> Thomas has her firing on all cylinders right now and I think she'll be tough. I'm kind of fading Bella Fina. She doesn't ship well. <hes> <hes> you pointed out something this morning that I thought was interesting not only did she shipped to Saratoga before that she shipped to del Mar two weeks previous so you know she's he's had a couple of ships. She doesn't seem to run their best races off ships and now she said two in a row leading into this race so I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Pass on her and tried to get Royal Charlotte home. Hey you and I had a very similar thought process that this race <hes> we thought very much alike with the shipping issues with Bela Fina I <music> I'm with you. I like Royal Charlotte for reasons. You said she's improved that every race. She doesn't need to take racetrack weather obviously with four different four wins and a couple all different distances at four different racetracks otherwise I wanted to mess around with you was trench town cat. This must be some speed in here. Frenchtown cat figures to have the first run on that speed heart to dirt races came against older fillies and Mares. She ran a good second last time Francis Rooney going the seven eighths she beat <hes> a little bit lesser to back in a stakes race at Gulfstream Park and again had I run on the speed big price huge writer favorable Mickey Vasquez fans but they get Roberts. He's junior for the tasks task choosing to be a huge price. Maybe she can upset this. APPLECART Royal Charlotte Trench town cat and Kafi really the ones. I want not even really not much of a southern Gary Empress Guy. We'll see if we can get Welsh all the home together. It goes race number eight grade one test. We'll take a break when we come back. The grade eighty one Whitney comes your way we got the Chiro phillies in action out where the turf Surfeit del Mar the grey to Sorrento as well bringing it up and this update two. You're listening to the weekend stakes preview present the my naira bats. 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Hey everyone this is Mike. penna join me and Entire team Saturday as we come to you live from Saratoga and upstate New York with exclusive coverage of the great one test and the great one Whitney five to six eastern serious to nineteen X._M.. X._M.. One and don't forget join us from eight to ten Saturday morning for our equine forum show live from Saratoga. It all happens on horse racing radio network horse racing radio dot net hi. This is Penelope Miller and you're listening to horse racing radio network. This is the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets. It is N.. Dina del Sur who will turn for home in frontier closer still second on the outside live is they come to the top of the stretch. Elena camelot splits those to take second and takes dead aim on and Dina no sir as they race into the final furlong and it is the camelot to the front and Dinos Uzbek in the second victory has come from last to take third as Eric Kahn Sale Ryan Stella de Camelot move away late and they're gonNA win. Pebbles and INA del Sur was second victory was third and super striking ranking was fourth or go back to against the experience at the by. I NYRA bets here on H.. R. N. The big and the pontiff side-by-side at section to be at Saratoga race course in Saratoga. It was springer's New York before we get back into the stakes action. It is time now for the blood horse news update a look at the top headlines from OORS DOT com King Zachary Shatter Saratoga Track Record Thomas F companies King Zachary the whole team Jockey John Velazquez patiently stayed off pace took over in the final turn hosting his first victory in more than a year bringing a track record this the for almost ninety one years of the process in an eight and a half point victory in Thursday's hundred thousand dollar personal three year olds and up at Saratoga Olga racecourse trained by Graeme Motrin King Zachary one for the first time since Catherine McGrath remount win twenty Churchill downs completing the mile and three recorder marathon course on the fast main track and file tongue to fifty two and four besting rate counts previous log August two fifty five set on September first nineteen twenty eight kept them up here. We thought he was doing well. We give them a shot. I'm ready for motion said without doubt he has plenty of talent breaking a track record from nineteen twenty eight even though they don't write the race very often it certainly impressive to do that and it was the way he need that wraps up tonight's edition of the Blood Horse Update when you want results news and information on a stallion his progeny from current top runners to entries in recent results to sales results for his offspring important scientists statistics and more. You're there's only one place you need to go and that's the blower stallion registered thurbers sourced with more than three million papers a year go to stuy enrich the DOT com and when you're on the go tablet or mobile device be sure to use the blood horses three global stallions dollar today or go to globalist APP DOT COM to learn more that was something performance yesterday yeah it was outstanding in grams obviously got the horses number now and you can look for him to be much improved in the future. He's he's always had a lot of talent but <hes> it's been hard to get it out of them. And maybe these marathons right up his alley. Yeah Ram uh-huh excuse me grandmom in a mile and three sixteenths turf race last week Kerpen maybe he was just getting ready for the big one so yeah outstanding outstanding performances too happy to see it on the card yesterday. He won't have one in the the Whitney this year but Whitney is shaping the B.. Who's who I know you vote in that Breeders Cup Pole for the classic the top four vote getters are in here a field of eight getting goal mile and a four million dollars here tomorrow five to six Saturdays at Saratoga presented by visit Barbados Dot Dot Org and led by the leader in that division Mckinsey seven five in the Morning Line Bob Baffert Mike Smith Hall of Fame Connections Thunder Snow Snow in honor of sixteen and a half million in his career ships in for Godolphin say bin Suroor looking for his first win on U._S.? Soil he has three bang-up races under his belt. One not so bang-up race to Kentucky Derby back in twenty seventeen but that seems like many many moons ago aw preservationists who's coming into his own for Jimmy Jerkins farms a fantastic renewal of one of the crown jewels of this meat. Yeah it's a fantastic race and <hes> this year's edition beautiful <hes> top to bottom a very competitive field. I went with preservationists T- <hes> drew the outside post. I think that might actually help them. He'll be in the clear from there. <hes> junior Alvarado has been riding him doing a great job one by four and a half last time in the suburban absolutely tow rope the field the fact that he's starting to put racist together now is a great sign. It's attributed Jimmy Jerkins patients as a trainer and <hes> he blew out for this race in the mid three fifths also impressive. I like preservationists a lot. As last two rate is really starting to show just how talented aalto he is and how much they thought this was going to be any kind when he was younger and they've really persevered with with preservationists and sauna communism. Now the ripe old age of six five wins from Szott. He's a major player in <hes>. What do we do what Mackenzie Jude Dude well? I mean you got to respect them. He's he's <hes> been run. Great guns his last <hes> five starts. He has two wins and three seconds. He hasn't been beaten very very far in the second. I'm not convinced that you know he's really a horse that will appreciate classic distances but this race is a mile donate. That's well within his scope and he certainly has a big chance to win yeah. They both make sense. I went to Venal. wroto talked talked to Johnny Velazquez earlier this week. He said this is really matured. This year I think that shows <hes> from his travels and Jim Daniela Daniela she was a very very interesting effort. He was all over the place we ran in spots made a big leap run <hes> ran okay and the travers and it went to the sidelines this year. There's been a little more maturity Kurdi a little more speed even Foley placed in all of his races. He ran well going to fly mile and the Steiner against the racetrack he ran really well and beaten just two and a quarter lengths thanks to world the trouble in the great one cargo and seven furlongs and then he was able to stretch out to the mile and a quarter and get the money carries first grade one win in that Gold Cup at Santa Anthony last time out will say <hes> I think he gets first one on some of the speed in here. Maybe that's Mackenzie. <hes> maybe it's preservationists. I'M GONNA take a big spread for me. Though million Hanley's McKenzie I'm GONNA use preservationists. I might use a little even use a Smidge smooths of Yamashita that could happen <hes> on the snow too. I think this is a really fun renewal of the Whitley. I'M GONNA try and get it. Being Alrosa home at a little bit of a price goes race number nine grade one Whitney that tenth wraps the State Jackson from Saratoga on Saturday definitive della arose cindy dishes as the war. This is for the phillies same flat mile distance yeah. This was an interesting race <hes> to me a lot of the phillies in here kind of what I would call fringe players. They're not quite <hes> you know group Phillies that they they have the potential attention to be <hes> you kind of have to decide who's going to be right on the day who has going to WHO's going to get the best trip when it was all said and done I settled on the five rock my love. This is Jonathan Thomas trainy. Johnny Velazquez takes the call Flavian Pratt rotor first the first time in North America at Woodbine on June the twenty ninth. She made the lead that they look like she was home. Free turn for home. I thought it was the smartest guy in the grandstand at Woodbine but Alaska lack she died to finish for the last wow not good <hes> but but <hes> she ran a good race that day and and I think she'll be tighter for that effort. <hes> she shortening up to a mile. She's been successful at the Mile Distance. I think there's some pace to set up that foreign you know Johnny. Velazquez is going to put her in the right spot so I put I put her on top. I think she's tough. I'm interested in Miss Munnings. I know she looks looks a little cheap on paper but she's been running grateful her last four races has been outstanding dating back to January the tenth that Gulfstream She just wanted allowance race at Belmont over Gra turf labeled good <hes> Johnny v Rotor last time Chris Landeros is GonNa Writer. I know that's not not jockey upgrade but Kris Lindahl Medeiros is a is as a final writer and <hes> certainly has shot to get the candy here and <hes> Pacific Wind is a philly that <hes> has kind of been in in an outer since <hes> Chad Brown took her over that she was a private purchase at at Keeneland <hes> I just I I think she might like the grass better her grass record is good. She started five times. She's only been out of the money once and <hes> just grasping at straws hoping to the catch a long shot in the tries. She's a daughter Kirwin which I like. She's out of a Dixieland band Mir which I really like one of the best grass horses I ever trained was out of the family of dixieland being in Mrs Farish Bread this one <hes> Her Dad bread my horse future gray so it's that same name family. It's a long time to all all the antique family like me. I gotTa tell you one thing I am. I I hope not grasping at straws because I put specifically non top him. Did you really the first time chatting around him and get the run her on the turf. <hes> you know I think when she windsor I two for Channel on the dirt the allowance keeneland and then the roughing last year you start to think she's a dirt horse right. She ran well. <hes> the roughing would probably a little bit dressed up great to highway star on the wrong end of it tech leader probably don't want to seven furlongs but then she's behind Abel Tasman she runs to Farrell and Weiss cat. She ran really well in the spinster she had that we are trip. Were divisive. Jump over the fence was making a move and jump over the offence runs well behind marlies freedom and come dancing too fast phillies in the Gulf for one second to come to midnight zoo come dancing so she's kept amazing using company on the dirt and you almost don't blame her for getting beat six seven. These villages probably not in their league and she's still running okay. I don't think I disagree with you. I think she might be he better on turf. She's a now five-year-old who gets to go to the turf for the first time in a very long time her for keep that in mind her first five career starts catch all came on the turf so they thought this Philly was turf Philly and now arguably the best her trainer in America gets his hands on and gets to run around the grass. Ask I'M GONNA try Pacific win especially if she's that eight to one price. I think there's a lot of other ways you can go. I think Stella the camelot melot makes a Lotta Sense. She was good last year in that pebbles that you heard on the rejoin last time she went seven furlongs ran out of real estate. I think she could be tough at the mile. Got stormies army's probably the class on the turf right bowl recall rushing fall rim Ska. Daddy is a legend she. That's what she's keeping company with her. One Blemish on turf came on the soft turf. They don't have to worry about that tomorrow. It's been beautiful here at Saratoga. Capital temperatures is always dangerous. Azanza Chad Brown. It's an interesting race your Philly Rock my love. I'M GONNA TRY Pacific Wind at a price. Well that's good. I I mean if you you are right and can get the perfect combination. You can get paid a lot of money in this race. I think it's wide open. I think you could make a case for a lot of horses and <hes> you just need that. Ah One two three we could just if it could come to us in a dream tonight. Wouldn't that be nice. This is the tri factor a premonition in the della rose uh-huh to come through a dream never happens in real life now that wraps de Saturday Saratoga toe coverage will have more Saratoga coverage Sunday to final say went up the program out of del Mar the great to Sorrento will be run for the two year old fillies two hundred in two thousand on the line field of six impressive debut winner for Simon Callaghan was Amalfi Sunrise Sunrise Norberto. A royal was on that day. Now we're recording this show Friday afternoon yesterday. Thursday at Del Mar Nolberto Auriol Junior was off. All of his mount did not find out why so he scheduled the right Amalfi Sunrise keep an eye on the on the changes comical goals a perfect two for two doug. O'Neill she came to Saratoga won the Schuylerville shipped back for this Sorrento. She puts undefeated record on the line Simon also has is she dares the devil Churchill downs. I out winter interesting bunch just one maiden in here for Ellis thought about on that's the five princess a small yeah yeah. It's it's good field <hes> speed figure wise Amalfi Sunrise comical standout over the rest of the bunch. I was always taught when I There's no reason not to take her back. She wasn't going six furlongs and I think that's important. <hes> you know you look at Melfi Sunrise. She ran four and half and and a long way to go for <hes> horse from four and a half to six furlongs. I know it doesn't sound like much but that's the whole length of the stretch. You know it's kind of a stretch out for for young young horse so <hes> I'm GonNa stick with comical yeah me too <hes> rail draw. She seems fastest out of there and that's that's pretty much it right Julian Peru's into ride <hes> Vassiliko since mm Slavi and frappes Kita ride Bella Fina dickey made the wrong decision but that's a story for another day. I would probably change the state divide the one machine yeah <hes> I definitely have yeah yeah <hes> comical for me as well that goes race five degree to Sorrento. Let's take a break. We're halfway home. We come back. We'll head down to the mountaineers state mountaineer in fact talk a little West Virginia Derby and turn the page Sundaes and steaks action at Ellis L._S. Park. It's Kentucky downs preview day down in the P.. Patchy listening to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets here on the horse racing racing radio network. 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This is Jackie Rajiv Murrah L. of listened to my friends on the Horse Racing Radio Network <music>. This is the weekend stakes preview presented by Nyerere bets on the far turn and it's long range toddy and Mr Money they have to negotiate the riderless horse and now it's math wizard math wizard with a decisive move on the outside and then it's and it's Mr Money we use homeward bound hassle Li fi two and a half legs rave addition splits rivals into joint second with math wizard long rates Tani and forth they wanted to the sixteenth pole and it's Mr Mr Money's GonNa cash in the Indiana Derby is third consecutive rated stakes would bring magician what second and math wizard was third the time for the mile and a sixteenth of what forty one point eight zero bill downs on the call of the Indiana Derby. Mr Money was just us that we'll see if you can keep his annex of Derby's Cohen Down in West Virginia tomorrow afternoon. 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He's earned four hundred and seventy thousand the hard way with a lot more second than thirds than wins exalting the former Godolphin runner walk them on. They should listen to you. She'll listen to you. They never do the pontiff Kokin you Wanna his favorites from this winter's classical Koreb Day at Gulfstream wide open ratio in the governor's. It is is in <hes>. I'M GONNA I'm GonNA take <hes> Kalkin. He he really impressed me when he won the <hes> Costco Delcor Ebay and <hes> he's run to really good racists since then the only battery ran in the United States was the Pegasus World Cup invitational aw which was kind of Moonshot if you asked me but <hes> he won in Laos race at Churchill paid a whopping eleven to one that was a travesty and last time out finished third the pioneer spirit in the Schaefer Memorial at Indiana grand ran a good race at day. He's talented of course it's got a lot of ability might be the best horse in this race and I think we're GONNA get a square price on six to one in the morning line. I don't know people are going to take them. I'm not love love with his post but I I think he's good enough to overcome it. As Mickey Gold Mill trainer of the greatest fictional fighter of all time rocky Balboa would say what we need to speed received fast speed the only times exclamation ocean point has not been on or close to the lead. He has lost to took one beat close to the lead in the Oakland Mile. I don't see a lot Sweden. I think Giroux goes to the top and says bye bye so long farewell all about exclamation point for me and race number seven and now I get that five to one. I'm GonNa make a nice win. Bet On them see if he can take the West Virginia governor's grave three to the West Virginia Derby we go half-million online grade three mile and an eighth pukes parfait is back after a failed attempt on the turf in the Belmont Derby fluminense made up some ground late in the game of a tough trip in me Iowa Derby for a few <hes> shackles that evening <hes> math wizard who was third Mr Money in the Indiana Derby and then of course you have the big favourite Mr Money. I'll tell you what you it's GonNa be. <hes> probably a price shorter then the six to five on the morning in line and another one. I hate to be a talking weasel but I could not take against. I try to swing against them last time. I'm not trying to this time well. He looks pretty salty. He's won three great threes in a row by open links <hes> last time there was a loose horse slapped on them didn't seem to bother him at all he be gray. Magician addition who a lot of people liked that night so I think you know when you look at his speed figures how they've been improving how he's been improving running being big races how he blew out and forty six to shown. He's just a sharp as always. I think he's a formidable foe. I thought top line growth had a chance <hes> he's run three good races out of four. He's never missed a check in his life of the racy. Got Beaten was to king for a day in the Serb arden at Pimlico. He's a horse that has ability Kelly ruefully trains him. She's done a great job <hes> all year long. She's <hes> winning at a seventeen percent clip yep. I think that horse has a good chance in math wizard Saffy <hes> claimed the live one here for twenty five thousand dollars in he's in now placed in two great threes reason and was fourth in great to really turned out to be a nice horse by algorithms out of a deputy minister mayor so there's some pedigree there floor on Giroux gets aboard definitely has a shot to upset <hes> if if anybody could and he's going to be a good number all right I'm sticking with <hes> Mr Monti see if we can get him home in a short price. Maybe the Free Bingo Square of the day on Saturday Mr Money for me in the West Virginia Derby all right that wraps Saturday. Let's turn the page Sunday. Ellis Park has their Kentucky downs preview day. <hes> will cover the big one race is ten is the Kentucky Tar Cop Preview Mile and a quarter on turf. <hes> we see a field of eleven. We see a lot of familiar names mandatory won the Tory kin little bigger picture. We see Hello Don Julio Nessie of my boy Jack the worst six one shot in the history of the Kentucky Derby. They still hasn't war bigger picture scratched out of an ultra tough bowling green last week you quite here at Saratoga to await. This spot is a million dollar reese. Now Kentucky downs <hes> in the fall. He's he's the class in here. Is An e Ju. Yeah I think so I mean you know when you look at this race. You you see a lot of courses that that are basically household names if you follow racing all the time they're they're. They're the usual suspects I think he's got friends already these together with your pals a couple of years. That's right right you can see them all sitting around the poker table like that that <hes> painting with the dogs that's so famous it C- good sitting around Michael Blown over at old friends France he kinda he kinda you know hints to that. Sometimes like the old horses they get together at night. Play cards and talk about their old victories like all of us old guys do and I it's. It's it's a race where I think bigger picture does have the field that is mercy fee runs his race in the they've got their I in that million dollar race down the road so it's an ideal setup run in the in the preview race and then you go right to the to the big one for a million bucks and who can blame him including the in the old guys comment yeah well kind of SORTA. You're like you're like a fringe player you you. You have an old soul anyway. I raise around adults your whole life since you were in the stroller exactly right exactly right yeah. He's tough right. I mean he's pretty tough. He's tough I think yeah I wish I had something again more chalk for me. I wish I had something more clever but <hes> you know and I liked the fact that <hes> the connections three diamonds make you know they used ahead that race. Last week was real toughie drew post thirteen. He's mid pack year Ames one for one of the mile and a quarter bigger picture looks to goods in race number ten on Sunday at Ellis Park. The Kentucky Gowns Preview Review Kentucky Surf Cup. We'll take one more break when we come back for Sunday's. Thanks that's right four here at the old spa. We'll tell you about the programming for Saturday here on the network as well. 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It all happens on horse racing radio network horse racing radio dot net and this is Chris Landeros. You're listening the horse racing radio network. This is the weekend stakes preview view presented by naira bets. Social Paranoia comes up on the outside and lease joy is behind horses spin off. Is there with USCA Parfait. They're into the stretch edits social paranoia arriving at the eight bullet front. Henley's joy runs at him on the outside. It's these two with Henley's joy in Social Paranoia Stride for Stride Guide Rock Emperor is finishing strongly on the outside but it's Henley's joy in front and Henley's joy wins the Belmont Derby Social Paranoia was second Iraq emperor was third and digital age was fourth and final time of one fifty eight point two nine Hanley's joy looking looking for number. 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I wrapped a show by interviewing her <hes> that's also up at horse racing racing radio dot net on over and take a listen in podcast for jude. We've got about eleven minutes to get through four Sunday stakes so so let's roll the third is the John Marzia one hundred grand on a line. This is rescheduled from last Thursday when we had to cancel due to the monsoon like rains six and a half of the estate breads as the old back track announcer northfield park say who who do you like <hes> I like a number one T- loves a fight <music> <hes> he's the now hor she might say on a win streak <hes> for the hot trainer and <hes> he's he's. He's really <hes> doing well. It's kind of a mixed bag. You got horses coming off a layoffs and different different locations and a lot of question marks but we know you like Saratoga Toga he just one and <hes> I'm GonNa take T- loves a fight all right from the Rail Drug Junior Alvarado Rights for Orlando not he was just on trying talk to that suffered horse racing radio dot net good old Celtic chaos here Vin Santo was not in the original draw of this race. The postponement allows him to get in here. You know look intendo and say all those distance races. <hes> Vincenzo has some pedigree to sprint as well <hes> what's the name of Paul Silver aligning neighboring about <hes>. That's his little brother his little sister rather <hes> built a suit makes a lot of sense ally goal for the King Catalina only the cruiser strikepower recruiting. I don't see any of them in the John Marcy. I'm going to go for the king. He actually improves draw. He was on the rail in the original draw of this race. Now now imposed six Rosario stays gold for the king from me. It goes race three. That's the John Morrissey. He's an interesting fellow he was anyway. He's been gone about one hundred years ago. Look go look him up. In the history of this great town of Saratoga Springs the Fezzet Tipton Wyatt goes race number five. It's great three mile and a half off on the lawn for the phillies mayors. Oh my God I look at this and I see Santa Monica and I think Dr Closing weekend in Glens falls thirty five bucks it would've cost me the first lady mentor in Narrow Bexley pick five which is now open to the world <hes> it only paid nineteen thousand with her for thirty five dollars. I drank file a street Cowan. Jack Daniels that night my friend. What do you like in this year's wire money would have been gone bad bad breeders cup obliged? I went to fool's gold <hes> she came off a layoff last time and <hes> probably needed the race not not badly but definitely needed to knock the rust off <hes>. I think she'll be a lot tighter for this. One looks like she has a good chance. Yeah I like Santa Monica the Horse on I'm GonNa take on top General Rod who like you said earlier about two of the fight the now horse <hes> she was winless in eleven starts as a two and a three year old. She's a perfect for for four. This year is a four year old including three wins at the marathon turf distances a mile and a half mile and a half a mile and three eighths Chris landeros rides for his father-in-law in Wilkes six gentle ruler over the four Santa Monica. Yes in the early pick five. I'll use both of them because I'm a I'm an idiot because the rates number five the grade three fabric Tipton wia later on on Sunday. There's a couple of really good stakes <hes> later on in that caused Sunday's Carter sensational by the way we'll be the H._R.. And family be out and about at Saratoga will be having a good time here so stop by and say alot. Wherever have you see us? We'll have the joint covered race nine the Saratoga Derby invitatinal one million dollars in my best Dr Evil Impersonation Mile and three sixteenths on the melon turf course you'd have to think when you hang up a million dollars you have a big field a huge contentious field of eleven jud. You know when you first look through this race. I think you can make a case for seven or eight of them. Oh Yeah it's <hes> definitely wide open. It's a talented wanted field. I'm going to stick with my boy seismic wave. I've always had a gut feeling that this horse is a quality animal. I don't know what happened happened to him. Last time I mean he didn't have the best trips but I really think the distance is going to help him a ton. He can really run in the stretch and <hes> I'm looking forward afford to this Joel Rosario. I think right now has the crown of right of the year aboard Sir Winston the Belmont stakes aches and we'll tell you what Jose Luciano's effort on Henley's joy last time out is not too far behind it was one hell of a ride he got the source of the money Hanley's Italy's joys dance them awful lot of dances nice hard trying wars. He's run eleven times in a little over. A year. Not really has not really had a break dances every dance chance for our colleague Jeff Blooms Moon racing got the big one last time just a second try and a great one. He got the candy at a huge pressure won't get that twenty two one. You can make a case for him. Social Paranoia took a three quarter length beat Tim last time you can make a case for him. Chad Brown has rock emperor. He was flying late to rock emperor shades of sister. Charlie Charlie came over ran in the Belmont oaks in her three-year-old year ran outta ground. Only Dan rattled off. She said five raid wants to her name. Now stateside Rock Kemper Kinda has that little feel to him I oh I think he was. He was imposed fourteen time overcame. The Post is dead last early. He's always you gotta respect in here. I'm going back to my boy using you're using mobile. Only oh boy seismic wave. I'm going on my boy digital age. He did not have a good trip last time he was imposed thirteen fourteen <hes> I want him in Rock Camphor. I want a little seismic wave as well. You always have to respect sizes. Seismic Wave Aidan O'Brien's ran a couple over as well they in other words who's going to be a a huge number on the board <hes> you and I talked about him when he broke his maiden and he's won four zero cents on although a core's eons Trevor McCarthy Dorado. I don't want couple of stakes at Delaware in his last two. I think it if you're looking for a live long shot he's fifteen to one on the morning line. Help probably be higher than that because the money can only goes only glazes. He'd be the horse in a huge price. I would keep an eye on that's a fun. I'll tell you what we don't see a lot of new racist created. I don't think we've ever seen seen a better first edition of a race in this in this hour togadia yeah it's stack. There's a lot of good horses in there. What prices seismic wave seismic wave is six to one of the board my France Sixty one morning line yeah listen? You're going to get your price yeah. That's just the way it is race number nine on Sunday. The inaugural Saratoga Tokyo Derby the second leg in the turf trinity the two year old fillies will wrap it up for this weekend stakes preview grey to adirondack six and a half furlongs on the main track field of eight. I like this bunch of I'll tell you why did this. Two or three phillies is in here that we're going to hear from and the next the final five months of twenty nineteen yeah. That's <hes> very well true. I think it's a good field and all the races on Sunday or just really nice. I mean it's it's a great car. <hes> I went with the two francs rock cat. I know she's the chalk doc but looks to me like she's the fastest billion this right now. I don't know where we're going to get to know one. Maybe five to one hundred they're gonNA bet the heck outta magic dancers. This is a perfect two for two for Steve asmussen speed figures a little little bigger <hes> she won her maiden and the debutante just twenty two days apart that always impresses. There's me when you see the young horses able to regroup in such a short amount of time and come back with a good effort now. She regressed buyer wise a little bit who tamer she's drawn outside as well. She has a nice cozy outside box that counts in Horsfield right absolute goes eight okay. Gary goal is going to run a couple local trainer guy. He's a great guy. Could horsemen had a couple of big price. I is win. Big Queues on the rail missed PAPINA. I think I prefer Mr Pena Price. <hes> I'm with you. Though I'm taking my man Belmont Frank Fraud cat first time lasix monster maiden win down Churchill downs what he's intimate shifts there just unbelievable right yeah. I think you just better blind. I don't I don't disagree at this point. <hes> so tons of fun. We're going to wrap up with Frank's rock cat. We hope they she can leg kip them leg kick them. I'm trying to be too clever. I'm too tired to is be clever right now. The great to adirondack goes race number ten all right pontiff all thirteen a Baker's dozen books time now for the night or abets best bet. This is the naira beds best that my friends well. I'm going to the ninth race on Sunday. Okay the Syra Toga Derby and I'm going to take number nine seismic wave but old seismic wave. It's not often that somebody's picking a Bill Motte. 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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Training Wheels

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Training Wheels

"<music> in training camp is upon us. It's the orange black against Bengals podcast and I'm Anthony Kazan's. It's great to be with you once again. As I teased the beginning we're we're so close to the twenty nineteen season kind of getting it's official beginning seeing as how training camp is ready to start in as we take the airwaves once again John Barren there is a big piece of news last week. It was Clint Bowling's retirement <hes> couple of weeks before that it was Joan Williams probably leaning on i. r. and and being done for the season in this week. It's yeah it's good news. It's good news Tyler Boyd signs in extension to stay with the Cincinnati bengals before we get to that. How are you sir? You're looking refreshed off of your vacation vacation. <hes> you told me some golf. I'm I'm stoked for you. How how how you doing how you doing great good back on the the Wednesday part of part of the counter for for this yes? It's funny. How just happened to do these right after media news breaks <unk> season but I'm down for it makes our lives easier yeah and by the way the Wednesday thing we're going to talk about that seventy near future again but for now or we're we're recording on a Wednesday and some big news so we're GonNa talk about the Tyler Boyd contract at you know I told my co-host before the show that you know I took the airwaves yesterday to Kinda talk about the news and some other things <hes> with the contract? We're not gonNA. We're not going to be dead horse on that front. We're GONNA Kinda. Come at it. Obviously I WANNA get John's thoughts but <hes> you know we're gonNA come at it from a couple of different opinions so we're not kind of repeating ourselves on that and so we'll talk about that we're GonNa talk about the opening of training camps and things to potentially watch at that <hes> as that opens up this weekend and then we'll continue our list of breakout players this week so looking forward to a jam packed show one quick announcement very exciting. I did speak with the good friend of the show Scott Solti in tomorrow night Thursday evening we will be recording our first fantasy football insider <hes> mini mini show it'll probably be about ten or fifteen minutes show but he will be joining us and kind of kicking off the as the summer does in training camp starts usually fantasy football season in planning does as well so we thought this would be as good of a time in any to get him back on the show and talk about that so if you can join us two nights in a row <hes> for for that if you're able to join us live if not that'll be on all of our feeds and of course the feeds that I'm referencing are on Itunes itunes on stitcher on spotify Google play on megaphone on Youtube and since he jungle is where all of our stuff is also available so get the show how you can well. Let's get right to John four years for forty. Three million dollars for tyler buoyed a big deal you know I think there's a lot of positives with this move. I think <hes> I talked about before we took the air you and I we had we had Tyler Boyd on in a couple of times this winter this early this spring <hes> you know he talked about wanting to stay with the bangles in we kinda thought that was player speak but he's he's remaining with the team. Awesome guy had a fantastic year last year very happy for him your thoughts on Tyler Boyd inking a new deal with Cincinnati bengals if it was the right of and I know there was some reservation amongst the fan base about hey maybe we should let him play out his contracts. Twenty eighteen wasn't just a mirage just the the very best of what he has now. He's twenty four years old. He made great strides last year is starting to develop into the player with potential that he was coming out of college in just a lot of high of scientists are very Chris Brown runners the guy who who just do a little everything as receiver and sometimes it just takes guys <unk> a year to get other acclimated into a system or just acclimated the League in general just going along with the way of the N._F._l.. Life you know it's different than playing a pit for for three years in producing air but boy has always been an energetic guy a guy who is eager to learn eager to follow the right footsteps in having Gallic A._J.. I think has been so instrumental in his developing in. I think this having a Jane believing that he's going to be here for the next four years was a big part of that as well and I just I think he just wants to just be with him in this offense working together as as unsolved duo and the money obviously monetarily is perfect for him right above what Sterling Sterling Shepard got obviously the same draft last similar players similar role in the giants offense. You know I think you know removing Benny's Fan Maya's <unk>. I just think better overall players develop into a better role player and just the a slight installation salary works definitely for him and if they had waited for for next offseason right before he became a free agent. There's no doubt that no had he had a similar season. Maybe not quite as efficient as as because it was a great year he he would've caused the Moore's naturally the salary. WE'RE GONNA go up market was <unk> reshift a little bit so this was the right move. This was the right contract to give out. They have the money to give out these deals in. There's no reason why they wouldn't because he's a talented player and there's no reason to expect necessarily. Maybe volume production drop a little bit but efficiency wise <unk> essence of production. You can expect everything's from wiggling Ford in this was just the right to me so let's let's go there. I mean you talked about another point that I wanna get to as well but let's let's talk about that. This is one of the main points I wanted to discuss that we did not that I did not get to discuss <hes> on the kind of breaking news portion of this program that that was on feeds and everything but what do you see you know. Does the money dictate. The role going forward. Does the skill that dictate the role is both it really are. We just GONNA see more of the same impossibly possibly a more creative offense than we did last year and expect a similar kind of production. How does how does this contract if at all play into the role for him going forward especially in this kind of transitional transitional year in two thousand nineteen while he's definitely not game wide receiver one money like he's no regaining like we're that market is in south? He's getting high receivers to be yeah won't be too right where Tyler Lockett getting paid why we're Emmanuel. Sanders getting paid again to very similar players in terms of over <unk>. Get Yours route run which I think is the best efficiency metric or receivers a lucky last year had two point one yard route Ryan meal. Samson's two point one to boy was two point six six so in terms <unk> different players lock. It's more restrictive theo guys sanders more possession along with void but right right around were their production was from efficiency standpoint was right with Boyd and you know was buoyed obviously works mainly out of the sloppy. You cannot have also lineup in the flanker on the outside. Obviously he did that a lot. When Green was off the field so I'm not sure necessarily the role gets a lot different? I think the targets stave you know what when green was on the field. Those targets for game is going to around where he's going going at. I think he's not necessarily be involved more so in the offense is GonNa try to implement Ericsson. They're gonNA hope that I would say Selfie for more than four games. Obviously he's GonNa get is fair share so I think the roles not gonNA change exponentially honestly. There's no reason why should because he worked so last year with what they asked him to do. It should honestly give better for him. It should be his like easier in this system. That's GonNa have a lot more condensed formations gonNA get or creative with his releases in where he gets opened down the field then just terms of involvement in usage usage on. I don't think we're GONNA see an exponential just because he got paid as you know the expecting that again one he to a <unk> seaver wide receiver number two in that's where the money is nothing. That's just what we can expect one Ford Dan I think as I looked up yesterday it puts <unk> engine Sterling Shepard <hes> it puts him at a it puts him that I think number nineteen in terms of average <hes> in the league in terms of average money per year <hes> for for wide receivers. The one thing I think is is very impressive. <hes> in an unheralded type of thing with Tyler Boyd is one hundred fifty two catches in one hundred one have gone for first downs <hes> <hes> so obviously that's he's he he moves the chains and that's that was his specialty last year. He did show a little bit more on deep routes last year. especially as plays broke down you can stretch the field a little bit but I mean he moves the chains. He works the middle of the field and that as we've sat on this program number of times is where Andy Dalton seems to accelerate short intermediate routes so you know I think getting the security dirty blanket four Dalton in this transitional year is a is a key facet to this offense not only getting being successful this year but if the bengals ended up sticking with Andy Dalton for for the foreseeable future you know they've build some some chemistry there so you gotta like that a you. Kinda you talk about this and this is kind of a chicken or the egg kind of argument I guess with A._J.. Green <hes> I think every I think the bengals would tell you tyler boy was probably the higher priority because he's younger and <hes> you know more affordable probably than than Jay Green would be but <hes> you know I think obviously A._J.. Green is a guy that they want to extend. How how long that is? You know maybe another three years. We'll see but you kind of you kind of said something that I found interesting that you said you know A._J.'s here. He has good rapport with A._J.. Maybe he wants to stay. Tyler Boyd wanted into stay because A._J.. Greens going to be here is act something. You think that I don't know I mean we're not in those walls but I mean that's something that if you wanna put the tinfoil hat on you know maybe A._J.. Green has been engaging aging in discussions and things are moving in a positive direction in that affected tyler boy. Do you think that had no impact on it and or do you foresee green getting signed <hes> probably not to this to to a four year deal but do you see him getting signed to something this summer because that's what bengals like to take care of these types of things and I wouldn't necessarily role for you got last time because he's got one more year so just be technically a five-year deal with four years new money but besides I do think that just their communication throughout this process as airtight and I think boy coming to agreement with this I believe he said he told green is like one of the first few he told once <hes> the thing was official official on Monday so they've been entitled medications throughout the entire process. I don't think that would be so <hes> you know excited to sign deal early without having any inclination that there wasn't any progress going on with green steel obviously there they working on that I would assume simultaneously along point because I was just kind of do things but they just can't agreement void I because like you said he sees he's cheaper in his younger aims probably of high priority with that but everything that we've heard about green and just his featuring Cincinnati just means that the ideals <unk> deals going to happen and you can probably get some solid on that they don't really make mistakes from this point on to the to the beginning of the season in terms of extensions of the handouts so I do think that boy and influence with from green he he has confidence that he's GonNa stay here knows probably a little the part of his decision but also this is about the best deal that Boyd <unk> accepted that this could for seen from the bengals itself anything more than the ten point seven five million. I think he got on average. I WanNa see the guaranteed because the guaranteed numbers that I don't think the contract is up on <unk> or anything but it'll be interesting to see how the money is <unk> parlayed over the next couple couple years imagine it's probably acted in that sense because because he is younger but <hes> yeah I do think that the <unk> boy in that sense but also Boyd <hes> you know wanted to be here with green in wouldn't have signed the contract if he wasn't at to some degree very confident that green wasn't also winning offered something in the near future obviously green has you know is on the same page with a front runoff isn't that he wants to be here in. I have no doubt of the deal like that is going to happen in the very near future yeah and I think I think Cincinnati Bengals <hes> probably learned some lessons the hard way in the twenty seventeen seventeen off season when they lost a guy like Andrew Whitworth and Kevin Styler two guys at Wor <hes> you know stalwarts on on offense <hes> I I Kinda WanNa ask you this. I guess if the optimist in me wants is to think that this contract Tyler Boyd wanting to stay in Cincinnati is more than just the money <hes> yeah he got paid while he got paid probably market value in terms of average <hes> average her average money per year but the the I duNNo. I guess I look at it and I I'm thinking you know. Is this something that we can point a two point Zach Taylor and say this is a guy who specifically signed this deal because he likes the direction of things he likes the direction of the way the offense is going so that he will get his stats rats and he feels that this team can win in the near future. <hes> you know the money the money's the money and you know I think I think that he signed a deal because of that but is there maybe the end alterior motive but maybe a thought on his end saying you know things are moving in positive direction here. Yeah I think there is that on both sides were because he said that the bengals learn a lesson by you know they're. They're not GonNa let a guy like Woodworth. Leave without a knock on the table whenever or would add <unk> having with that so I think they've thought back to twenty sixteen when they lost both Mark Jones Hamas noon that's why they ended up having to take Boyd in the second round in the got away with it the end of the finding running a solid replacement assault number two for grain by I think it was awake of offer them saying a we're not GonNa let a guy this towns who works wealth ringing sniffing again in leave on the market for maybe a a more lucrative deal in terms of guaranteed money which is. Why they were so <hes> urgent deal done before the season began before he even entertain the idea of free agency and I do think that the bengals do tend to find these guys in the draft that that had his personality that mess with whatever culture is in the building rolling <unk> whoever the Cote head coach Navy and I think there is definitely some some positive development with Boyd in Zach Taylor Brian Callahan the entire new offense of coaching staff <unk>? I can have a future here as as a successful receiver receiver in I can build off one eighteen even more going forward in just that twenty offseason so crucial for him in how he finishes twenty seventeen season take the momentum into twenty eighteen and now you know this is a it's a hard reset for all these young guys specifically. Do we only offense asylum ball. When you have an offensive minded head coach coming into the building in running covering things for united it could be good for some guys could be bad for some other guys but for Boyd I think there was a sense of confidence that this is this is a culture? This is an environment that I can continue to grow because again. He's only you still only twenty four years old man. He's on contract. That's the the age range that you want for these guys you one of these guys young when they come out of college wanted to develop early and that's exactly what <unk> exactly what what has happened with boys right so yeah you probably could earn some more money just play out this year and I don't think he would have had a problem with playing on this year plane his heart out for it but I do think that there was some type of confidence on his end that I liked word Taylor's leading this I think I think <unk> instill continue to develop even with any as quarterback well. The bengals have tyler boy a key piece to their offense for the foreseeable future for years or three million is the reported number. We don't know the guarantees quite yet but <hes> a good contract for what seems like for the Bengals I mean that's market value and you know I talked about this yesterday. With when the Bengals do these kind of deals there is a major risk in major reward award factor when they do these deals in the summer <hes> the the major risk of course is that the they've done a handful of these vaunted perfect Gino Atkins others and immediately after some of those guys suffer some bit big injuries which is shame name and you can't really help that hopefully that does not happen with tyler boy but those those contracts ended up biting him sometimes when they do those but other times it's a good thing because these things these players go into these contract ears and then all of a sudden they explode now. They want more money than we know that when March rolls around teams get frenzied and they pay a lot of money to get guys at some a lot of times overpay to get guys on their team pull them away from other teams and we know that the bengals are not very adept in the bidding war department so <hes> I that's. I think that's why these these summer contracts in getting them done before training camp all that kind of stuff I think that that is a a very wise move by the Cincinnati bengals and keeping a player like tether boyd is obviously key who what they WANNA do on offense in what Zach Taylor wants to do going forward insuring right yeah and like you said this risk on both sides of the thing link he could get hurt. He could go crazy if if you don't if you don't sign down he can be become even more expensive. I think you'll you'd only WANNA do these. Deals with declares confidently usually guys g line guys like Charleston guys gauge a green in that sense guys who feel comfortable being cornerstones of your franchise and generally with with receivers <unk> question their value in grand scheme offense and what their value is relative to the quarterback and whatnot but I think when you have a guy like Boyd who proven who proved that he can still produce the effective you even is as the more receiver in just a guy who can do multiple things. I think that trump's <music> allotted value from from other receivers in other receivers for you hesitant to give out a market sending deal like there's no doubt that if talent boyd played a similar level in history <unk>. I just don't believe that the thing was what resigned. I think there was only be <unk>. There would be another team that handed him a lot of guaranteed money and just what we said the market for again that that to receive which which is exactly what void is so getting this deal done now is the smartest thing is taking the necessary risks like every deal like this has risks racing balls especially when the player in this young who only has one goodyear under his belt but this is the risk of the kind of have to take tangles and taking risks of contracts. It's usually not a very good thing but <unk> with this in itself. I I think this was arrested. They had to take S._S. agreed and they did <hes> they. They made it known they wanted to resign tyler boy. They get it <hes>. We'll see what happens with A._J.. Green coming up. I would be pretty surprised if they do not get that deal done but dangerous things have happened A._J.. has made it known. He wants to stay in Cincinnati so we'll see but for now the the the headline is on Tyler Boyd for years forty three million to stay with the Cincinnati bengals long-term a good move for the team team and well deserved after a a good year last year by by the receiver. This is the orange blackadder bengals podcast. He's John Sharon. I'm Anthony Costanza will be talking about <hes> training camp here. We've just had been discussing tabloids new deal <hes> right before training camp start and will be talking about training camp. We'll be talking about a couple of other breakout players coming up and <hes> we've got a number of different items that have been popping up on our feeds. We hope you've downloaded them. Some of them have been other little short segments of our potential breakout players again. 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We'll see I think as sunk in naper that like bingo string of starting Marvin Lewis now it hasn't it's. It's Ah it's funny because I <hes> I was on a little vacation of my own last week and I think I saw a local Cincinnati media person or some someone say Oh yeah by the way countdown to training camp. It's like six days and I was like Oh my gosh that's right I. I can't believe it so fast. Obviously like you said Marvin Lewis not being there gives it a different vibe. This isn't necessarily training camp but I think it's an overarching concept. I I'd like to see a team that is prepared in an however that may come about. They may come about from Taylor doing more of the coaching. There was something that came out. He made a comment saying that he's not going to really is gonNA give guys lot of rest and there's there's other things in there they you know. I don't think they're going to do the Oklahoma drill anymore and all that kind of stuff but I think back to so many times I was thinking about this this week. I think back to so many week one just terrible performances by the team not necessarily so much recently but <hes> kind of earlier in the Marvin Lewis Years. There were some really bad in an ugly week one performances <hes> obviously we know the prime I am time and and other big game type of <hes> stumbles that the team has had I just I'd like to see a team be the team be prepared seeming like they know what they're doing as they come out of the gates and I think that all of that starts arts in training camp. I don't know that we would necessarily see that firsthand. I don't know how that would be uber visible to all of us especially the people that aren't in the huddle aren't on the sidelines all that kind of stuff but I don't know I guess I'd like to see this team be confident in their knowledge of the playbook the that confident in these big games and I think that that starts in training cameron exact Taylor needs a set of tone of being prepared. I think he started to kind of lay a little bit of that foundation in the minicamps by kind of quizzing guys on the spot about certain plays in their account kept making games of that <hes> to me. I just I think being prepared in. That's that's with a lot of things in life not just football but being prepared ultimately gives you the confidence as you go into certain situations and that's one major facet I would like to see out of the Bengals as they as they go through this training camp yet I think community like the one negative I guess not necessarily negative but something that became a nuisance especially later years was that like Marvin had his guys not only just like veteran guys you can trust but if if like if if you didn't practice like a certain level you just weren't GonNa see playing time and that led to situations like Krishna Western led the situations like Lee Jefferson and <unk>. I'm really interested in seeing you know under me down turning game myself. I'm Agassi firsthand how he's got assume perform whatnot in unseen you know the relationship between Taylor and some of these young guys emit maybe bent you know they don't necessarily get graph immediately in have to have to rely line that are incident and whatnot in how their roles are affected by you know how they perform in in training ambit how Taylor kind of becomes patient with them in kind of bill some through the system and just kinda utilize them to to their strange because you know when you're just a coached who just had a certain way of doing things for a long time. You still have a lot of patients with young. Is I think Taylor I think that's just the main difference now he can relate to to some of these young players more in how <unk> how he selling Bay it do it firsthand in Los Angeles. The culture that that he established there which is obviously is extremely successful. I WANNA see terrorists committed to actually claim the best players not necessarily the best practices the players that do the way the way that he hasn't the book instead of going guys ended up getting done so ultimately. I guess like throughout training camp in throughout preseason. There's going to be guys that stand out in the Games in whatnot and whether whether or not that that goes into the regular season with you know those practice heroes in those preseason bureaus would've that maintains consistency and whether Taylor's going with the flow in plain just the best guys not necessarily the best guys early guys that <unk> tickle his fancy in training camp in practices and how that relationship <unk> of all those young guys yeah you know I think that <hes> by the way I've got I've got a special gas next to me for for those of us. Were were watching US live. <hes> I think that <hes> the the relationship of the young players in the way he teaches is going to really be under the spotlight. It's something that was <hes> talked about a lot during the spring <hes> in terms of his coaching style in the way that he explains things to <hes> to the players and you know this is coaching style. <unk> aren't very curious to send me. I know that's a broad stroke and abroad thing to to kind of talk about but I'm very curious to see how his coaching style mean. It's one thing when their insurance in their penalty little walk through things with another when they're <hes> you know installing a new system fogo. It's another thing when they even though it's preseason. It's another thing when it's game scenarios. <hes> you know I think that these type of things can you know we'll we'll go along way in in talking about you know explaining to us or showing us. How Zach Taylor is coach how he is how he can conduct himself as a young guy himself <hes> <hes> with with a bunch of you know this is a a roster that's both young but it does have a lot of veterans on it as well so <hes> you know? I think that that's going to be a very telling thing in a really interesting storyline. As we go to go through training camp the summer you know and and <hes> I go back to what I said about the preparedness you know I I'm curious to see how the when these even though the preseason games in its they don't mean anything they Kinda Kinda do in a way <hes> because this is a new team new coach it just if there's the energy if there's like I said the preparedness all of that <hes> I think that's that's a good barometer to see exactly what Zach Taylor is bringing to the team and if the players are responding very early on we'll see US players responding. There's plenty of flares were hoping take the next step in hoping that <hes> <hes> their development shines under Taylor but you know those guys actually have to prove it I and I can name many disrupted back my hand of guys who whose time is basically up in either put up shut up now you know this is a new regime. They don't have the backing of the head coach that drafted him. <unk> majority of this roster is built through the twenty sixteen through twenty classes and I've regions in them but you know there's hitching <unk> in this classes. There's also plenty Mrs. So if there's there's one guy who you're looking for to make significant strides strides so much that you know it's is worthy <unk> significant plane time. He's worthy of being a significant contributor in in the seem who was the guy for you that you looking. You for in training camp while we we didn't prep <hes> who we were going to save for each of this year so I hope steal your thunder on this one but I think a guy who needs he's he's in that critical limbo area of his career worries of technically veteran but he's still a young guy and he hasn't shown much he and not showing much coming into a coaching change is a dangerous formula. Here's a former third round pick. I'm GONNA say Jordan. Willis needs to show show a lot. This camp and I don't know if I stole yours or not. I hope I did but <hes> you know you. You mentioned a few weeks ago. Sam Hovered was a breakout candidate. He's probably going to step into the starter role that Michael Johnson is laughed. He Got Carlos Dunlap. <hes> you know you've got karl loss and hopefully coming back from from an A._C._l.. Injury and a couple of other defensive lineman they're gonNA try and work into the rotation in move around you know Rennell ran even though he's not defensive avandia probably gonNA hopefully get some snaps and be productive. You've got David. I think it was David Dein is at is that the team last year you're talking about last year. The Leeann now Scott you had a Christian listen Ringo last year yeah. There's a couple of guys in their <unk>. They're probably GONNA mix in the probably GONNA mix in a couple of different guys that <hes> should get different playing you know different amounts of playing time and and hopefully Lou Anna Room. Oh does things where he mixes things up. He mixes the looks up upfront but to me. I think this is a critical critical camp for for Jordan Wilson. I don't know if Zach Zac Taylor Zack Taylor views excuse me Taylor views the the preseason training camp the same way in some respects that Marvin Lewis did in that you know if you remember back to some of the hard knocks clips Marvin Lewis talked about how you know guys are winning. Their guys are winning their positions at you know with certain things they do you in the preseason games not necessarily so much in the practices but then he also somehow didn't like how certain people practice so that that's another story altogether but you know it snaps. My point is snaps limited in the preseason for a lot guys and <hes> you know if they're guys on the bubble potentially like Jordan Willis. That's going to be a guy that needs to really make the most of his snaps that he gets carry wind comes in that was guy they brought in <hes> <hes> the the guy. I'm thinking of as saying David Dein that was a guy from a couple of years goes thinking of Andrew Brown the other guy the other hit. They were both Virginia defensive tackle so <hes> that's that's in another guy of the they hope to get something out of this year. We'll see but I don't know to me. I think this is there are a lot of guys I could point but that's that's a guy that Jordan Willis comes readily to mind Jordan <unk>. It makes sense as he's like the most obvious obvious answer because I hide him plenty coming out of the year. I should've known that combine was basically marrived. He just wasn't that athlete in in pads in in between the white lines but we'll definitely needs to step up and I know that uh I think you've listed now. I'd like to seventy five in came out to fifty five <unk> just being ed setting like run-defender and they're just giving up the hope that he becomes pass rusher so if that's his niche that that's fine. I just don't think he's ever going to be in what I expect him to come me but I'll stick with that class Nago Josh Malone I never I know casserole. WHO's leading E._S._P._N.? bengals going to cover the saints to the athletic. She actually put together a fisherman roster projection. She only had I five receivers to the bengals and Milona fifth and I'm thinking you know if they do end up keeping five. I'm not sure loan is is that guy I think he's right in the room with with untamed core and even a guy like Stanley Morgan are one of the undrafted guys like hunter sharper who are the deeming Lewis from from troyer bruce some some school like that so i. I don't think Malone is established himself at all and I think it's very similar to a gallon. Malysz were at the comedy show to be explosives and fast athlete but you know two years in he's got minimal production his name obviously the snap seven come easy <unk> via injury so he's just one of those guys that didn't practice right way just making too many mistakes in unfortunately didn't think in his chances but you know the I remember them talking him being like a secondary early on prospect they ended up getting in the fourth and I think that have been a mistake on their part of this overvaluing who he wasn't a prospect because he was extremely wrong extremely young coming out Tennessee so obviously sleep early contributions. Weren't I guess fair to expect from him but again you're three receivers is usually the time where they step up on this year three for Malone. You're in an offense where you have three receivers playing ninety percent of time when they throw a ball so you you have to assume that depth depositions GONNA be critical. Maybe even more critical than any other position on offense and if alone is one of the key is right now like he has a lot of work to do. I would think in offense that is so heavily reliant on those receivers rotated rotated <unk> obviously having a boy under contract for former years in presumably green under contract I it's solidify some stability position but you think Malone taking a step this year <unk> would go forward being him having him being critical member going forward but it's got to be this year reign cruiser you can do them because you know entering twenty twenty like he could be a potential cap casualty in that sense goes again. There's no loyalty with him Zach Taylor in even now <unk> yeah I don't think is I think his job is safe <unk>. I think he might have just Jordan Bolus of the offense coming from that class being that type of after the hasn't done anything yet so is it is it's gotta be time for him to show he's he's got an enchant him agree and that's going to be an interesting position group to watch <hes> The wide receiver group that is obviously now that Tyler Boyd is is entrenched long-term. Hopefully it contract would be forthcoming for A._J.. Green to finish his career up with the Bangles and then you know you've got John Ross who who knows what's going to happen there. <hes> you've you've got a scrum for the rest of the spots. You know Alex Ericsson. He may have more prominent role on offense Vance. You've got a scrum for Josh. Malone and cody core tade Stanley Morgan comes into the mix some other undrafted guys come into the mix so there you know there's a lot of there are a lot of players in that in that makes that will make for an interesting interesting situation there before we move onto breakout players John. I'm going to ask you on in kind of the same vein and <hes> I guess we'll try and be a little bit brief here but you you know we're talking about. Maybe roster bubble guys. We need to have good good camp to make the team. <hes> what about a guy that you're pretty confident will make the team but you would like to see him have a good camp in order to feel good or better about how a position group or a specific starting spot because of their preseason performance because of how they looked in camp. I think like this. I got a few in mind. I think drinker Patrick. I don't like he's obviously GonNa make any of the starter but I just look at the secondary and how stable it is from Rosser turnover standpoint like <unk> this going through the roster like on defense plenty discussions on the defensive line obviously playing linebacker but I mean you're pretty confident about where the secondary is in like where it is going up against the league I think B._F._F.. Ranked thirteenth I think which is extremely fair anything like okay. William Jackson plays at high level Jesse basically <unk> <unk> become really solid but if you have a cornerback that defenses can expose multiple times in the game the whole unit becomes not useless extremely volatile in prime to feed exploited in what nine Kirkpatrick always had troubles of being burned on on on D. Balls one nine just being generally add positioned playing in indy zone so I think how he you know how he fits in in scheming general him being defensive back Mexico's is GonNa be critical for how the secondary grows because in order for Jackson in based to continue playing at a high level <unk> guys around in need need to be able to do their jobs. Obviously Kirkpatrick is one of the more experienced veterans on this not all the defense eighteen general like there's not a lot is drafted before twenty on this team so her Patrick is a leader in that room guys looked in for guidance but he's never been I guess lead by example <unk> because he's always been extremely consistent so him just being more consistent. Assistant district is the number to back especially if they allow a William Jackson to kind of move around in all the warriors even one inch is having a solid year. I think is so important for the stability in the overall level play of the second year because there's a lot of young talent there but they're still looking for Patrick for guidance one nine. I think his just having SALYERS GONNA do wealth of their development yeah and I hate to keep keep harping on this dubious statistic but you know the the fact that William Jackson Drinker raker Patrick in dark as Denard three previous first round corners combined for zero interceptions last year. That didn't do anybody any favors. So you know like you said. Kirkpatrick has been a very inconsistent player. <hes> you know he's good tackler. Heckler got good length. He's got good speed he. He's a good press guy <hes> but there are you know completion percentage that gives up as an astronomical which is which is good but <hes> there are issues there have been issues and there were issues last year so that's a good choice there I mean for me. I guess I could say whoever the hell's GONNA play left guard <hes> that would make me feel pretty pretty good. Ah but I'M GONNA go with a guy who I picked as a breakout candidate and that's Germain Pratt I think I think that that is just a guy in a position group that they're gonNA. They're gonNA lean on him. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE WE'RE GONNA need to get a good you know if if he is going to be a quote unquote starter or a you know start for two downs or whatever they're going to do with them. <hes> you know he's GonNa need to show a lot. That was one of the weaker groups in on the team. It's still is one of the weaker groups on the team on paper. At least <hes> the bengals have had a string of early in mid round linebackers have not worked out for them and to this point. They think that Germain Pratt it if not shows well in training camp <hes> I think that's going to be huge because number one exact Taylor's first draft class. One of his higher picks number two. There's Joan Williams so there's you can't really rely on your first round. Pick so you got an outlook you guys like drew sample and and Germain practice kind of the gems of this class who will be will be available so <hes> to me. I think you're made Pratt's GONNA didn't tell us his performance could go along way building some confidence in terms of <hes> you know making the team what he's going to do going forward. Those are some of ours there. There was a couple of interesting ones in the live youtube chat before we move onto breakout players <hes> I I see will Smith appointed year boy John Dairies Philip showed flashes last year <hes> let's see Buckeye underscore seventy sixers Preston Brown <hes> probably could fall under both categories stories <hes> profile. I guess more the latter category of starter that you WanNa see a good <hes> camp camp from <hes> there's some questions about out and tate and other things as well but <hes> so people people have their own ideas as to who needs to show up in training camp and it starts this weekend so <hes> there's going to be a lot to see as Zach Taylor opens up his first training camp with the Cincinnati Bengals as an N._F._l.. Head coach it's going to be very exciting very interesting to see the responses and and how the team kind of <hes> works under his leadership and the rest of the new coaches leadership. This is the orange black insider bengals podcast. He's John Sharon. I'm Anthony Costanza. Get this show on itunes on stitcher on spotify on Google play on megaphone. You can also get it on Youtube and <hes> Oliver stuff is on since you jungle dot com subscribe to our channels download our content. We've got a lot more stuff coming to you especially especially during training camp so stick with us and <hes> we appreciate you joining us live. We appreciate you downloading the program after the fact or both if you're one of those people that do both your ear rockstar. We love you appreciate it. Thank you this Swisher. I WanNa tell you about my podcast Rico decode every week we have candid in-depth conversations with people like Elon Musk Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Griffin we talk about how they got to where they are today and how their work is changing being our world new episodes of Rico decode our released every Monday and Wednesday and we often have bonus episodes on Friday subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP John. We've been going through our <HES>. I think we've got six combined breakout players <hes> mine. I always struggled forget mine. I have <hes> I have Germain Pratt. I know I have billy price and I drew sample yea. I remembered <hes> and you had Darius Phillips. Alex Eric's Sam Hubbard correct yes okay. I remember yours better than I remember mine. That's that that means about my pets but <hes> who do you have for this week. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA start closing. This list up probably really rounded rounded off denies even ten <hes> so what what who do you have for your fourth guy so I've been mainly going with young guys. I mean not as was young you you have literally to graphics but I remember young guys haven't really proven themselves or needed continue to prove themselves long <unk> change pace here and go with a veteran who someone say like one of the ten or fifteen best players on roster through but has not arguably I think clearly the <unk> underutilized flare Nasty Vine Bernard and like again like the definition of a breakout player like it's it's fair to say that we seen the peak of of his ability just in general but I'm not sure we've seen the peak of production and the how his production is dipped from his rookie geared to announce to just yards for tied in you know all like average defa targeted and just general depressing. Z. Usage of him in his ability as runner in a passer <unk> receivers in really depressing and I. I don't blame that entirely on on Gio himself. I think he's still a talented player. He's still think twenty seven twenty years old. He's feeling the league for a long time so again. He used another guy he just came in young as running back. Those guys are able to contribute immediately but when you have a running back on a second contract and you just don't use them nearly as well as he should at the false primarily rarely just on the coaching staff and just the office in general but the talk with this offense is that not only is gonna run the ball more effectively I don't know about more often but more effectively and more ultimately for them running backs but also giving mixing breaks you know making sure he doesn't wear down this. This season goes on limiting his touches towards in the season and some kind of takes us touches whether you know receiving the baller carrying the ball and I think how they used Gio is going to be so crucial with how often continues to grow and continues to be effective towards later part of the year <unk> really buy into the minds of the run the ball later year I think if you pass the ball effectively you're going to be fine but again you can do both and you don't have to lineup out why you don't the headline <unk> him up in the slot for him to be better receiver a better pass catcher you'd have to utilize more creatively whether play action like rollouts bootlegs and get him out <unk> out on the perimeter <unk> defenses focus away from him and don't be afraid to just run up tackles because is again when he had to be the belt how early on <unk> even last year when Nixon was he he was fairly effective just as just a general runner when the really do anything for him so I think just been they've just been scared to give him the ball whole <unk> twenty feet journey Hillard or Joe Mixing because they invested in making them the primary runners but if you're going to be a system where you're trying to take some pressure off your rb one Giovanni nurse the perfect rb to because he can literally do anything we've talked about. Even we've talked about his best acid just pass protection. That's always been his diabetes on the field down but just don't be afraid of us more pass catcher in just using more creatively so I think that we're going to see some type of a renaissance of his production in in his efficiency in this offense not necessarily from volume standpoint but just in general usage in how he's he's not going to be close to you know over a thousand toby yards but definitely better in terms of yards for cats yards for her yards for Ron <unk> just giving ten to twelve. Maybe fifteen touches a game and they're not gonNA regret it in. He's still talented <unk> again. You have them under contract for a year to more of a fairly decent rate so Michael. Just make the most listen I I love that pick in yeah it depends on one's definition of breakout and he's entering a seven season and he's twenty seven years old as a guy running back entering his seven seven season. Isn't that a lot of where on the tire so to speak because like you said he's largely been a rotational back his entire career what I WANNA see out of him to your point John Morrissey two things and I think it would really benefit him from production standpoint number one I would like to see him lineup as a straight up wide receiver at times <hes> just just put him out there split them in a slot <hes> especially with mixing on the field at the same time why not go get get creative. Get those guys both on the field at the same time. If if you can <hes> that that to me would be I think that would be very beneficial and I think the other thing that would benefit this offense and Kudos to Bernard because oftentimes he makes quite a bit of something out of nothing but I would love to see them. Give him the ball in plays in scenarios that are not so predictable. There are so many times when out there that I've been able to say screen and sometimes sometimes that's okay with screen passes because if you block it right and everybody can know that you're running it but if you block it right it's still going to go along way but there are times where the with swing pass the poor guy gets rocked in the backfield because has it's such a predictable play and the blocking poor so I would like to see less predictable plays centered around Giovanni Bernard as this. Is this your progress in potentially he gets more touches. How do you want me to get John with my pick? I'll always always wears you can get always 'cause. I got a really weird. You know I'm looking. I'm looking down the line of the roster. There's a couple of guys I could go to. There's there's one guy for some reason and to me same kind of deal been in the League league for a long time not nearly as well liked Giovanni Bernard but there's a guy in really a lot of people are going up boys eastern roster he still on the roster <hes> I could go a lot of different ways but since we've John a lot of special teams type of guys out Turks Dares Dairies Phillips. Do you know where I'm GonNa go with this one I think I do. I'M GONNA GO Randy bullet. I knew it I knew I gotta go Randy Buluk and here's why I think this offense can put up points and I think that they are going to be in position to put up a lot of points. I think they're going to create short field goal opportunities which is Randy Bullock's forte and I think he could get last year he had what was it only like twenty. We some attempts. I'll have to look not very many attempts. He had a decent percentage. I think <hes> but <hes> twenty-three field goal attempts I mean that's that's the year before twenty field goal attempts. That's not very much <hes> Fifteen fifteen games in sixteen games there. He's never attempted more than thirty five in a in a given season and that was with the Texans back in twenty thirteen at twenty fourteen he made thirty thirty thirty five back in two thousand fourteen for a decent decent season and then all forty extra points that year but you know I think that the bengals offense will put up more points this year even with the offensive lines issues even with a new system and all that I think the put up they they really can't put up less points. They did last year God. They went through so many dry spell's. I think that they will move the ball. Put rainy bullock in a position to kick Moorefield goals. It's on him whether he's able to do it. They didn't bring any real who they bring interesting Viscaya. No is the the other day on the on the roster who happy looking at Rosser sheet to pronounce while Yeah I looked at a guy that didn't do much in college himself so I I don't know I you know I I just. I think that this may be a little weapon in the arsenal if you will that. Nobody's appreciably as pretty short. He said he's like five nine. I guess yeah we the too short guys G._O.. In June randy bullock but I just I think that he is a guy that nobody's talking about. He'll get the job unless he gets hurt and if you give them enough opportunities and if you give I'm short field goals. He'll probably hit them so I think he could put up a decent amount of points for this team. Will he be a pro bowl kicker no but I think that that is going to be he's going to be a big key as to the success of this team this year and I think he's GonNa get a lot more feeble attempts so potentially I think he could break out in one of his better statistical seasons if not as best statistical seasons in this system. My wacky is just funny his life a lot of people say that we have like very definition of just a borderline replaceable quarterback or bullets length of very definition of replaceable kicker 'cause like thinks he does what is like basically any Kager can do on the it'd be accurate bloated yards and things he doesn't do well with audiard's unfortunately in clutch situations you just can't do. It's why I think we've we you know off at the idea that he got extension in the middle of season last year and the fact that they aren't looking for of competition there but I think you are. I think you have logic there because you know so many times the they were stopped short just at midfield or just beyond me feeling didn't have aggressive continue the drive and get him more comparable fuel ranges because honestly like when you have a figure that not confident with you know going <unk> your options but if you're aggressive and you put yourself in better situations on third down keep keep chain moving. It works better for your take yourself. I I would say that old is going to get more attempts and as long as you know they're not over fifty yards and they aren't under two minutes left with the game on the line. I think he'll he'll do fine. He's always been accurate when he needed when you know when when it's been in his favor but <hes> unfortunately he's GonNa be magically accurate beyond audiard's or magically clutch unless something miraculously happens but I do think that you know his total points going to go up. I guess it has more of a fancy thing than than than anything like a break fancy player but yeah like he's GonNa get more opportunities because ball's GonNa be moved more offenses. I think it'll be generally better. Still I guess you know for him is GonNa get some is GonNa more points in the board for yet. I mean there's there's two schools of thought here right. I mean you look at what the team did at the end of last year and Jeff Driscoll's in the lineup and they're not not really moving the ball so they're going to a lot and he's not going to get feel good opportunities while in the Games after school either basically started or started there were three game there were one two three games where he had only one field goal attempt and then three other games were he had either two or three field goal attempts so I mean I it Kinda. Go either way based on how you want to argue it but you know I just think that a lot of times there were so many three and outs on offense. There are so many things that were the offense didn't move the ball and <hes> you know you think you have Andy Dalton healthy. Maybe you get another fifteen yards on a drive another twenty yards on a drive that makes a difference where it sets up with fuel goal opportunity obviously more more more situations for bullet to get points and for the team to win games. I don't know I just see him getting to the point where he will have more attempts more points and may be have a bigger impact on this a bigger positive impact on on this team in two thousand nineteen again. I'm not saying he's going to be a star approachable or anything like that but I think we sit here and say you know rainy bullock did his job. He did a pretty well and on a lot of attempts because this offense moved the ball. That's my point yeah so if you want to do me out of the building that's fine. It's just the problem is like figures like they only become less accurate. You know it's not like he's GonNa become like more accurate from <unk> was clearly eighty. Eighty five <unk> serviceable keeps you in the N._F._l.. And itself it's not going to be like Justin Tucker levels out there so unfortunately I guess he can only go down from accuracy inefficiency sampling but like from your point opportunity is going to go out nationally like it's GonNa be more opportunities for more potential for success can go a potential for for failure could go up to but you know I. I'd like to think that he'll he'll convert some kicks. This year will be Evalu- member of the team. Those are some other breakout <music> out players will probably do a couple more going forward. Let us know what you think of those. Let us know some of yours. <hes> a lot of people are saying they believe <hes> death death to religion says Gio needs to touch the ball even with with Joe Meaning Mixing <hes> even returning for God's sake <hes> Robert OBE REX's. I like John Brown meaning the kicker better than bullock in my opinion opinion <hes> more leg and longer kickoffs than a lot of people saw the upside there but <hes> just didn't work out <hes> so couple of other guys that are or opinions on some of the guys we we chose. We've gone a little long here her <hes> this were I guess it's kind of a warranted given the big news with Tyler Boyd and the opening of training camp. We had a lot to get to but any final thoughts before we cruise on out of your John <hes> yeah next time <hes> I'm going to be on here. It will be passed training camp the start. I hope to be at a few those practices before. Come back on here so if you are in Cincinnati plan coming down definitely try to find me y'all not knowing look like if you watch it on Youtube and and I just found the I just find that you know I go alone but I always find that I do better make observations than watch with somebody else you take notes you have more is watching it so definitely feel free to just like you know say I chat you know say what's up in your fruit <unk>. Feel free to watch everything. I'm not saying that I'm only in the sense that I'm on on their unvarying case. You need me in definitely say I in in. We'll have some fun. Watch the Bengals John John don't bite is what he's trying to say. Say you don't like it this is this is the time of year that I really like because it's the start of a new season obviously but it's also one where I get very jealous. Living where I live believe it or not not because of the weather but but because folks like yourself can just cruise on down to training camp with ease and <hes> I I am not able to do that unfortunately so I am very I and I will be very reliant upon your observations in in what you see there if if you do happen to do some some videos or whatever John let me know we can you know we can get those on our channels and everything but <hes> have some fine and by the time next next episode rolls around you know we'll be we'll be talking about some things and <hes> you know. Hopefully you've got some good observations for us and let us get some good firsthand knowledge presenter all right you can get this show. As I've mentioned a couple of times he can get this show on itunes on stitcher on spotify on Google play on megaphone. You can also get it on youtube subscribed to all of those channels and all of our stuff is on Cincy jungle dot com thanks to our subscribers. 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Alice McMunn's Incredible Journey from Homelessness to Success

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dance at jumbo's clown no no not cheetahs sorry she does your girlfriend say dance there yeah yeah i'm more of a cheetahs vibe she does in hollywood yeah it's on it's all brea it's it's you know it's cheetah's is like forty six hundred hollywood boulevard again zach zach address because i get get food delivered there all the time i love it you're like forty six hundred here post meets guys listening he's up i know that s been there that's amazing so how did you this is gonna be such a long podcasts ask them everything i know how you got started ooh that's a long ask stores and this is the thing is like most of my stories kind of like they would it almost be like sad like hey i know but they're not sad because of how i ended up when i tell the story like i notice a lot of times when i tell stories is about my history and my life people are like oh my god and i'm like no but it's cool 'cause i turn out great let's look at me now fucking killing gorgeous fucking covering the basic basic i'm still alive so hey there you go you know where did you grow up i mean that's the thing is a moved all the time i didn't really grow up anywhere i was born in i was born in vancouver hoover washington we lived there for maybe a year or two or something my mom divorced my dad real young just i totally get it dude yeah okay but absolutely i feel you yeah right and she moved us around a lot she had a lot of boyfriends she had a lotta husbands we lived in a lot of places every time she got a new boyfriend when we move it wherever his family was from like i lived in montana for some time like a lot of his washington idaho montana oregon like that pacific northwest area she's originally her my dad are from walla walla washington that's a real place oh my god i remember the commercials while washington includes bunnies same thank god he's like password was replacing yeah whoa okay so you had a good childhood outed or a rough childhood would you i mean if if you consider i mean there's always other comparisons there's people that had way records but i mean we moved a lot never really had friends and i was a door link obviously still i mean was was sula shit yeah but you know like m. adore and you know when you get to know me it'd be like oh yeah okay she's a nurse selects VHS unless you're smart are dead dorks are dumb not i will say dumb they're just specialists of different things that are not cool wow for instance on cool things election and it's not like it's not i mean i'm just now cool cool but no we moved a lot and then don't okay like i've said this in a couple of my podcasts like i've forgiven my mother for everything she's ever done bless her heart she had a horrible alcohol addiction and she has never really been properly treated for that in her childhood trauma herself so when she was blacked out she may or may not have been a child abuser and we may or may not we definitely ended up in foster care me and my sister did and i will say this like just another another thing is i would still rather be physically abused by my mom to the point of near death like she did then be in foster care because the foster care system mm-hmm needs a lot of help yes i actually i have my best friend was adopted and she told me her parents were heroin addicts and they both died of a heroin overdose overdose and she got put into the system when she was six and she remembers she goes to this foster care lady's house and she says you know they say hey this is going to be so you know where you're staying in this lady has like eight kids there already and those are foster farms one you're in one too yeah i call them farms 'cause they're just sitting there to to get a profit to get money and so she said as soon as the social worker left she was locked in a room and she was fed man as bread red sandwiches pushed under the door wow isn't allowed to go about it was a little prisoners whore so what do you wanna share yeah i mean my my i foster home wasn't that bad and then i was like we were actually given back to her mom for a while but then she proved she wasn't treated and then we went to another foster home and this was one of the foster farms and that one was i will say that the it was similar to being a stripper stripper 'cause it was like i think that's where i learned how to really like live in a group of women you know it was like us eight girls in like my foster sisters and my sister we're we're all you know how to each other's so there was like there was that cool bonding part of it but our foster mom was legit like job the job of the hut and she used to sit behind a a desk in the living room and just command us to do chores and things and she would just order jewelry QVC and food and nyc have us spring stuff to her one of the good chores that you could get in the sponsor almost popping the pimples on her back you're getting the easiest chore like any of view get in trouble she some of the punishments would she's never physically whatever but she would make us just you really insane chores like cut the lawn on with scissors with little scissors like out there if you got in trouble and what a fucking psycho she by herself no husband she was married in her husband was the sweetest thing oh he was he was like he's back then he was like boeing's oldest employees he'd been with boeing for like since they started and he he was like you know older and he would just come home from work he work crazy hours obviously didn't wanna be home yeah and then he'd get there he was obviously like this isn't the way this should be but he was scared of her and so he would just go in his room and s- listen to classical music on headphones he didn't really do anything he was like non existent how l. slake the house is like i don't know is this kind of like a suburban home with like multiple rooms and they do just like the bare minimum to make sure that they can get paid by the states they each we had each bedroom had to bounce in so there's two girls see each room and so now the last room had four and there was always two extra beds that were for the girls that came from juvie and we get a lot of girls that were coming in and out of juvenile detention and we'd get robbed all the time from girls going hanging out of that and there's nothing in that house yeah like when i remember one christmas all the gifts that we got were donated to foster programs and so we get gifts christly be some like granny panties socks and shit but we still be grateful because it was like presence and we got to wrap like a lot of us most of us including me never got presents before and we were just like oh my god present school i don't give a fuck if it socks but i remember one christmas we all got like a bunch of donations and we were like oh my god it's so stuck and we open our presents we've got a bunch of stuff and then we went went to school the next day or something and the one of the girls from juvie just took everything and i was like two awesome like you didn't notice that she came in with one bag and she left with like three garbage brexit things she literally even took my dirty panties i was like this person just took all of our shit that they didn't let you guys have locks for your rooms i guess she yeah nothing was like how many girls in one house there was always eight eight garrels and so that women didn't work she was just watching all day no she just sat there and and how much money do you get paid palm i think it was around back then it was like the eighties and i think it was like four hundred or something dollars and then kid yeah a a month that's a lot of those eight kids yeah i do the math yeah i'm gonna get a catholic i can't do that someone's already done in their head because they're smart i can't even add i'd like to plus two a calculator so okay so it's eight times a five is retarded i can't he eight uh-huh five hundred four thousand dollars a month yes she was making money and that's that's used jewelry all the time just QC on chime house nice for that money don't we we were the slaves that was what we did that was our choice so we were supposed to get like five dollar five dollar allowance every week for that and we're all teen girls right like in the eighties and like we still needed stuff for our skin way you know like just take care of ourselves you know but like that we were supposed to buy all of that kinda stuff with our allowance but a lot of times she didn't approve of how we did the chores so we wouldn't get our allowance and he'd be like you can't get tampons then you know because you don't get your oh you know like even back then when i was a teenager and even really wear makeup when i was a tomboy talk about for a total like tree climbing tomboy boy you know just listening to metal beavis and butthead whatever yeah yeah yeah just didn't care that much about high look but i did have bad skin i mean have you know like just very oily person though so i just needed like skin care stuff a lot and i just couldn't afford anything anything and then like an tampon thing or like oh treat you guys to anything ever i mean nothing nothing we i mean they we had TV and like you know we could watch TV and stuff out there but it was like really most of the stuff you know the fun that we had was all with each other or a lot of snuck out a lot a lot i mean i didn't as much because i was like door my older sisters did in every once in a while i would go with like why am i here yeah like usually i'd just the third wheeling it with one of the girls that had a boyfriend and i just feel like this is awkward yeah hey guys go back to the foster home now go about pop this lady's back pebbles right i'll be more fun so it so you were there till you were eighteen no because so we got kicked out of that when okay real quick the reason why we got kicked out of this foster home is my sister actually went through that foster mom kept files of how much money she made and my sister found the files and we were looking at the money and we are looking at the foster care agency it gives them a certain allotment of money for personal incidentals that's the tampon and that is supposed to be given to shouldn't you have to learn that that's like four she got money to buy those things specific great and she had to pull out of pocket right you know and my sister we had house meetings is all the time basically to get yelled out usually and one of these house meetings you know she's like you know be raining us and all this shit and my sister brought up she's like so i noticed ernest that there's this money and you don't use it and we have to and it's just we can't sometimes and and it's more money than five dollars a week like how much basque back then sixty dollars like every two weeks would have afforded all the things i need you know like not yet and i and so she kicked us out for that for bringing it up she she basically she kicked my sister out and that was my blood sister so she was like do you wanna estate she was like do you want to be with your sisters like yeah of course i am not going to let you kick her out and i'm going to stay here right so we went to another foster home in that foster home kicked my sister out to for having for not smiling show enough like those people were just like an i ended up that the time i was in a new school and i started making friends and i was like 'i ministy here this time in my sister went to like a farm like legit actual dairy farm in the pacific northwest and i stayed because i wanted i was a city person where was that this is like ever washington okay and then she went to like i don't know the name of the the city some cities where they just have cows this is like he got together for not smile they just didn't like her attitude how many kids were in that one that was just me her and like one other little girl and those foster parents were actually like abusing that girl like that girl the little girl had like really bad mental health issues her mom mom like made her mentally unstable by like smashing her head with a frying pan and so this girl had like really crazy like violent rage all the time time and like my foster parents would punish her for having outrageous like or rage attacks at school by not feeding her and so they'd like legal on we know they're ono and you see all this yard and i laid how the social worker or no yeah i did when i got kicked out of there like because they i was just gonna i believe i was like fuck these people i'm out of here and then they called my caseworker the caseworker showed up and she's like so so they said that you don't oh by the way those foster parents also got extra money from the state saint telling the state that i had an eating disorder sleeping disorder which i never had my eating disorder was that they didn't feed me and my sleeping disorders that i didn't like sleeping there because they were fucking rude you we didn't have any foster parents where you're like these people are really cool the last ones 'cause 'cause after i got kicked out of that home yeah they the caseworker convinced me to try all right one more family how old were you at the point like sixteen okay and so when i went to try this other family they honestly like i wish i was already so jaded from this system and so angry like i was always a nice kiss ass kid but at this point i was starting to get like fuck everyone yeah mike fuck these people in like showing us locked up she started to these people just wanna use me too okay cool so like when i met them like oh yeah they're nice now they're nice now but they're gonna fuck intern the minute i get up in there so i was like fuck it i'll just live with these people rob him mcquilken brabham all my god dead no god there and like they were really nice they turn out to be a really really nice couple and honestly they were you there only you know because they were there i was only foster kid yeah and their kids had already been grown grown their kids were like my parents age you know like they had already had kids and like dealt with all that and they were cool they were just like you know we still have all this money and love and you know they were china like nicer place honestly like once i started to get to know them it was like yeah i'm not robbing these people they're like awesome but i still had it in me like from my last restrooms i never wanted to be a burden on people and i'm still like that i don't ever wanna be that burden so i would do shit but also side i was because i also like already was like becoming an alcoholic drug addict myself like i would already like started drinking taking in partying and like i i did ask all the time and i sold acid and like you know so i was like sixteen oh yeah i was already doing that like at school like i got kicked out of school because i was always always like at extra lunches selling acid and shit and shrooms sixteen-year-olds just earn the going on oh my god i i wonder like kids nowadays that they are doing like the shit that dude i was like an innocent kid i didn't really do anything i don't know i look at my niece now and she kinda reminds minds neil young guys like dude i hope she doesn't party like weeded though my my twenties when i got to LA but non has not as a teenager ager i remember being like traumatized about stuff like my brother did my brother was always on us but you're sixteen then you moved in with those people like them are you still do you still talk to them or are they still no i don't don't know what happened to any of them because then that foster parent what happened is i hitchhiked to see my sister my sister went to college in like three hundred miles away in walla walla she went back there yeah did college and i hitchhiked to go visit her there and my foster parents okay they were really in in hindsight they actually really like do that's hell a scary like yeah you should be careful you can't be hitchhiking and like but my mind was like you can't tell tell me who you know who are you to tell me how to be you know like i just we got in a fight over that and really they were looking out for me but i took it as trying to control me can you tell me how to live my life because i wasn't used to being someone actually loving and caring about me ever since like oh no you just want to control me and then you know the the the conversation turned to like my music they were like oh well you listen to satan music and all this other shit i'm like you guys don't even go to fucking church church yeah why did we started we started are you about music and they were like yeah no you're going to hell and all this was like oh i was like the reason why the virgin mary i didn't know who the reason why the whatever i was saying when i say i say the virgin mary didn't know who the dad was of jesus that's why she said that it was like whatever she she just had a she was a whore i was yes she didn't even know who the baby daddy was from nub yet yes kick me out after they did they said leave yeah and then i was homeless for nine years nine year yeah homeless yeah i after that like from seventeen to lay so's from there i like just started like living on the streets hitchhiking i hitchhiked to portland i met like squatter water pong said like started squatty slept outside slept outside slept in abandoned building slept in dumpsters slept in whatever like we'll just hitchhiked all over the place did whatever i was like i really thought back then rose that young also that the world was gonna end in two thousand and two thousand one so i was like i'm just gonna live my best lie i till ends yeah it's going to be over soon holy shit okay we're going to get i'm gonna keep you here for like three hours i wanna hear everything if you guys were taking a quick break doc and then we will be right back with alice mcmahan hello friends and worshipers thanks for 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eight nine years and then you went to LA last story doesn't even go get there like it takes a while for me to get to l. a. because his i had to i mean from the streets iowa's you know then i st- i started doing heroin at seventeen like i hitchhiked to san francisco go first day i was there i shot up this is what we do here oh and scared i was like you live once yes yes y'all hello my whole life or whatever and i wanted to try it was on my list honestly i was always more scared of alcohol because my family history yeah drugs and you know i wanna remind people something the internet did not exist back then okay and i did not know a lot of i went into so using heroin very innocent you know it was like you could read books your thoughts about it and like you but i didn't okay like a lot of people that grew up in the city they might have seen what happens happens to junkies later on but even back in the nineties all the junkies that i was seeing around seattle even back then they were like cool grunge rocker people and it it wasn't really it was just like a lifestyle thing it wasn't like a horrible epidemic i didn't yeah and i mean i'm sure it was but i wasn't cece pages yes yet you know like with most people just seem kind of like a young party you know and it was like you know even celebrities were dying of it i was like well you can rock star life you know too much it like you gotta just be more careful being more careful do less just do tiny i overdosed three times you uh-huh oh yeah and you had to get the fucking no no because okay the first time as with a guy who i thought was so cool like he wasn't a guy wanted like hook a couple of her anything i actually when i was homeless i really didn't hook up like for almost that whole time until i i was dating someone 'cause like i was homeless yeah yeah yeah yeah like i was like disgusted it'd be like let's go back to your place you're like okay cool it's this dumpster straight up like yeah i mean occasionally i had like a couple of house punk friends that i would hook up with with bolivia just you know and there was yeah if i had a place where i knew i could shower then i would you know maybe have sex with someone who i was hanging out with but revolver scared sleeping in the street surprising are really really i mean there was a lot of like there was some scary incidences that had happened happen but you know it's like i think that's why nobody ever really did anything to me also back then his coz i just was a little probably suicidal yeah it's like when you're in that mindset you don't really live in a lot of fear because you're like well fuck it i'm going to die anyway what are you gonna do yeah yeah okay yeah i know it's kinda kinda like you're just like whatever kind of lake yacht in really you know but like when i hitchhiked i was always scared a little hit dry ray way always kept knives on me but like in my mind i was like yeah this person tries anything i'm gonna shinkin still this car yes that's how my mind i was i was like oh yeah i'm going to get a free car if they try to do that's what they'd get forget yes nobody ever fucking did somehow you know like voting got picked up by by truck drivers all the time i was talking to speed with them do party you know hang out like no really and you would end you would sleep outside would you sleep in a group of people or would you be buyers so usually when i slept outside it was because i actually did not like sleeping outside i was really good at finding squats and that's like where you know you break into a building and you sleep inside that but i had one girlfriend this girl i was like you know in retrospect i was like in love with her but like she was not into me and i was like oh cool i'll still be your friend but i definitely did do whatever where she said you're right as i was like in love with her somehow i use this like probably it was mixed in with like a best friend vibe and i didn't get that she was like really not enemy at all aw which is fine you know i'm always one of those people's like oh i get it later i'm like this totally fine it was in my head and i don't ever hate on other people for like not reciprocating yeah i never even said anything to her she knew threesome are a couple of times but i even even then and i was like oh she's just trying to get with this dude i'm actually just i'm actually facilitating this okay i don't care i don't you know but anyways we were like travel partner she's the girl that's actually the heroine documentary with mainland on youtube that i'm in and she's the girl rea- she's passed away now but like when she passed from here would i mean i'm not sure that story but she lived a lot longer like years later and i know she was on-off using and i think i heard that she got cleaned for a little while and then went back i don't even know 'cause i stopped stopped kind of keeping in touch with her because one of the couple last times i saw her she was still using and i was like okay you gotta stay away from that wow which did you choose she passed passed away like how long ago remember now i'm one of those while i feel really about this but like time is just the past yet doesn't it's really it's it's really hard to keep track unless way he people were like oh you should write a book it would be already like just nothing's in sequent sequential sequential order i just don't like i don't know what happened back then it could have been a year ago could have been ten years i don't right right but you did a hero heroine documentary on youtube what's called well it's called black tar tar heroin dark and in the streets and it's like a five kids like in the nineties that are some people did a documentary and san francisco like like y really though that documentary should be called five kids homeless on drugs because it was not just heroin and a lot of us were really young in it and not really that with yet like when they leave me in that story i'm like only twenty one and it got ten thousand times worse after the delay did they give you money for the documentary not didn't give you any food i think the most i ever got from them was like sixty bucks one time and that was because they flew down to san francisco to try to fill some more because i kept kept hitchhiking away and coming back right right and i kept trying to get sober 'cause i dated a guy that was like trying to kick all the time and i was like sure so i guess i'll try again by his method of quitting heroin was like working out smoking weed and drinking and nice replaced one thing was another great eight i know not like i cannot he would wake up dope sick and like start working out drinking and smoking weed do doing yeah yeah i'm gonna go shit myself by the way so how how long were you on heroin for for a lake like almost nine seventeen twenty six i got sober in two thousand one sure completely sold in summer eighteen years now for you i love that congratulations yeah do you go to meetings so sometimes yeah i i'm a big advocate of them yet they are very important and they saved my life yep i just found that it's very hard in l. a. to find meetings that fit my schedule aw yeah and and also meetings where like in LA i feel like a lot of people wanna fuck you and like volunteer motives that's a huge huge huge huge problem in l. a. in portland oregon where i got sober i moved there in two thousand one because my sister went through a program there that was dope called funny it's called it was dope joe is literally it was called the mentor program and it was basically d- like a rehab that it was run by ex heroin hat ex heroin addicts and now it's like ex drug addicts because now it's open to everybody but you know they get it it's not like some sober dude coming along you look i get where you're going through like someone with a PHD being like what you're doing is bad here like oh thanks doc yeah this is fucking really horrible these people if you were to go party or whatever just like go out and whatever they'd be like so what did you do exactly and if you tried to bullshit them they'd be like okay really because we know yeah they you know they could look in your eyes oh if you're telling the truth or not because they've been there and i love that program but it it was a slash NA based and so you know like i really got a big strong foundation in that when i first went because they i went every day for for multiple times a day for over two years i made sure that i really like life soften a got it and then you know like i don't know it's in portland if people try to hit on newcomers or a male male members try to talk to female members specifically they get called out good they get called yeah because it's uncomfortable it's hella oncoming is wholly inappropriate it's basically child molesting because the people that are coming in newly sober or newly to a meeting they need help yeah they're they get sucked yeah yeah yeah and and women are guilty of doing it too yeah they're to fucking too it's not like we all go in there fucking healthy fucking still sick and doing some six shits still and i'm not judging i'm just saying that should be like if you're a person in me like i wanted to start a fucking sex workers meeting specifically should sarwan dude i just you should start one you should start a fucking support group yeah yeah for a safe space yes space for mine would be still male and female or of all all genders right right and but people that specifically do do not want to have that going on in meetings because they have sexual jobs are issue an issue you know what i'm saying 'cause it's like every time i've gone to a meeting reading here i'm not even fucking kidding you it's literally and it's not like it's market at all i know i've been you could be a fucking you yeah no dumpster rat wearing a bag yeah but if you have a vagina you're gonna get surrounded by due to the end of the meeting here and it needs to fucking stops a lot it's a lot and i feel you on that i'm really proud of you like i mean obviously it doesn't matter even what i think but i think it's really rod that you like got your shit together and got sober because i know how now i know it's hard like i know not me and i mean it's really hard at first but after some time you really realize how much better your life is your life if is always going to get better even though i have fucking you know problems and stuff now people die life you know life goes on yeah but i always know that the solution isn't get fucked up because it never fixes it never makes a better and even for the second that it does like that goes away and then you got more loss yeah exactly great guys like not worth it to go back it's just a it's like putting a fucking band aid on a gunshot every every person that i'm friends with it's it's gone back out there i'm just like i see them and they fucking slowly fucking looking like shit and then getting i know i don't look amazing right now looking at you and i'm thinking how great you look actually remember meeting you briefly longtime ago and hollywood images heidi with your dogs or yeah i remember seeing the younger than the nen thank you look great yardley do you really do so i want to hear about some of this shit the fucking bullshit that you deal oh with like at the club when fuck in dudes come in because you're dancing and cheetah's is just topless right or hobbling bikini bar dude dude do you drink alcohol guys in california there's like laws were basically if it's a strip club nudity there's no alcohol allowed but if it's a bikini bar are you deserve drinks you can yeah we have a full bar but the drills don't take anything offing off that's a bullshit law yeah and what's is like a lot of the dancers that work in l. a. are so used to it that they're like oh yeah no being nude is gross and i'm like notes fucking ni- i was a fully new dancer for ten years in portland even like like you know i got sober there in two years later i started dancing and every every everyone from my rehab is like oh you're gonna get loaded doing that job and i'm like no because i didn't get sober to work at taco cockleshell don't have an education and i actually tried to go to college for a couple years i that's why i didn't start serving two years later but like it was hard okay college i could not i was like okay at my brain is so damage you guys and i like did not graduate high school and got a GED but i still tried to power through a couple years the college and it just was like not we're not you couldn't do it and i was like okay you're only young once i can fucking dance right now and then i can go to college later overcome like institition makeup makeup or do whatever being good all that site is honestly after this i just wanna be a dog mom that's all i love to rescue dogs and just serve irv animals i just want to do some stuff with animals after his work at a vet i would you know like i took veterans system when i was young and i do like some of that so something animals love them yet but yeah we don't get naked and it's just the culture in LA has made it so like the nude clubs are pretty much brothels and then the bikini bars are not but then people still get confused okay not everybody that works in an club is prostituting and not that there's anything wrong with prostitution i wanna say to sex workers advocate i think that grown adults should you're the fuck they wanted me own decisions bodies but also they shouldn't be pimped they should the in charge of all that shit them yeah yeah so be your be your own pimp ladies which is not happening which is now that strippers in LA our employees we are actually being being sex trafficked by the government now your employees we're fucking employees making minimum wage and guess what's that's going to create an environment where women are giving dances that they don't want to give because they're afraid they're gonna lose their job wow and the recent right that law just passed this year and a lot of clubs were like arklow was trying to hold out they were trained not to do it like cheetahs doesn't want to do it but taxman's gonna come after them if they don't everyone's gonna get audited so you got to report court you're fucking rana app and you don't have to i mean our tips are like you know it's like same as bartenders waitresses we are cash tips on stage but our our lap dances go directly to the club now to pay minimum wage oh no news music bank off laptop okay i did not you didn't i'm one of those people and this this is the thing is i don't have a lot of stories about like interaction with customers 'cause my interaction with customers is basically beyond stage with them because i don't really spend a lotta all the time doing lap dances i pretty much avoid them i'm not good at talking a great i'm not good at convincing somebody that i want i wanna have sex with them 'cause you're like i'm not really wanting to have sex with you so i can't say you can't do that so like probably i could convince them if i actually did yes yes so then they'd probably have to be you know my type yeah i don't see a lot of those in the club so yeah set for my co workers yeah and so you're like i'm not trying to fuck doc this do that's the worst that's why i could never be stripped because i could never dance on a dude that i did not find attractive i'll be like get away from me i don't wanna fucking touch you like fought w so hard i i mean i can i can do it but i'm like super playful when i do it and i don't think people usually want more than one for me because i'm not going to like your is all hornet yeah yeah yeah yeah like that whole like sexy thing we're of like a gesture i feel a little bird bunch of flowers out of your ass you know like a scarf routier vagina it keeps going i never do that when i was new that would have been great funny stripper girls goofy i love her yeah me i'd be like pulling a fucking red nose onto my joke that i'm like darkman at seaworld in just doing little poli tricks and stuff like that and i'm just like hundreds of showing off my little look what i can do i love poultry i'm not good making it look like i'm good hell yeah whatever failure fucking i mean when i first started dancing there wasn't really pulled classes and it was like that's like a newer thing wasn't poll classes and there wasn't once again there wasn't the internet there wasn't like things that you can watch on youtube to learn learn how to torture you couldn't really buy like your own poll back then i have one now in my bedroom but like you know it's just one of those things like i didn't didn't just went in there kind of like from my tree climbing experience was like i do is so tomboyish clan like a goddamn oak tree you you but you know like when you're young and you've seen those like playgrounds that have like that big octagon thing yes i remember that favorite fun yeah honestly i've always wanted to have one of those two like dance on a wo- that'd be a cool performance i mean i just i have a solo shows like performances like you should be i used i used to do stuff like that in portland they had like a burlesque night those called sin for knows alternative burlesque and i was like doing like these like blood guts violence shows and i could bringing problems and i had more money back then because you make more money when you dance nude yeah figure yeah and also people in portland understand tipping in LA everybody's abortion cheap fox yeah they're so they're like we have so much money but we have so much money because we don't treat anyone just loved the people that come to the club with a stack back of money and they just sit there the whole time like look at my stack but you can't have any yeah that's fucked and then it'll always be like that one per like then then then they'll be like these like rich people that come into that you know have money but they just you know like everyone else that doesn't have that much money they throw some singles they throw yeah but the person the has a lot of money is like holding onto their one dollar like come work for this come jump bitches dollers suck your own damn damn fuck fuck out here wait a minute where should i put this throw up your own ass like i don't care that's fucked and put some dope uh-huh nude clubs out here is you don't want it to be you you can't answer your alternative yeah they don't want you don't like girls club guys like you guys need a little goddamn diversity i want to speak to your manager i don't even care i'm gonna personally request you i call in a machine their goodwill you guys need to get your shit together the thing is those like wouldn't work at most of those clubs because they do attract more of a gentlemen's crowd in that isn't my crowd and i like stagecraft and like they don't have a big st i actually did wanna work at sam's hoffbrau but like please out i mean like everyone says is like hell ratchet or whatever but i don't care like i went in there and i was like it looks it's fun they got like a cool setup you know every girl i know this work there is like all the girls are really bitchy and mean and i'm like i don't know like it looks like a fun club although but it's yeah i went in there and auditioned in there like you should open your own club or it's just all fucking touted chicks just the whole thing in cool like i mean that's so portland is it's so portland and also it's like one of those things like like not bashing suicide girls 'cause i write they were great they like honestly if it wasn't for suicide girls i probably wouldn't have like had such a good career i was never a suicide girl but because i had the look of what when might look like a lot of people that want to see that onstage really you know 'cause i think suicide girls kinda like sexualize that whole tattoo i guess you know whatever animated cool cool but like i mean it was cool ready but like made it more like oh yeah streaming mainstream i guess is the word and so i could profit it from it basically and but the thing is like just once you once you like kind of like focus on it then it becomes a little cheesy yeah it's like kinda lame 'cause then then everyone phillips everyone looks the same again what's the point in that you know like it's like they're they opened a like just a metal punk or metal strip club in portland has called a row city strip and it's it's cool i worked there a couple times but i think the sad thing is about that thing is they just play medal there and that's cool but like a lot of the dancers there aren't even incidental they're not they're they're just working there because it's like they wanna get the metal dudes money or whatever but i'm like buy into the scene but you can delays all these girls yeah i know and i like grew up listening punk and metal right death raw and like i love basically everything from the seventies and eighties in the little nineties lil bu- yeah and then the only thing that i like really modern is like you know gangsta rap stiller hip hop stuff is classic yeah you have to love that why like anything that sounds sounds angry or whatever i love it okay so tell me like one of your fucking horror stories that you were saying that you were when you were dancing well i mean just from dancing the worst case scenario there was in portland i was legit vomited on three different times and that would someone leaned over the stage no that was actually in private dances and oh i was just on his well so here's here's one of the vomit stories and that's the vomit things were usually so that like the club i worked at in pearland is really well known for like people bring their bachelor or birthday or bachelorette parties like as a young people like air in portland if you turn twenty one you go to a strip club that's like you don't go anywhere yeah and so but i also like being the way i look would be like the girl that people wanna fuck with their kid get a chance we're going to get her yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what they want they wanna fuck with their friend right right and so i would always get the newbies fucking doing and they never been that drunk before or you know like i remember like given this one guy a dance and he was i could tell he was just kind of like he's laying back and here's a omar margai he looks like i'm trying to use the bathroom well yeah he's like no no i was like no no no oh and i was like keeping my yeah i mean excuse me we already have to be about a foot apart ish in portland there's no touching yeah but at the same time like i was keeping a little further because i was like i think he's and then i noticed there was even a little spit up on shirt already kind of like did a little and then he likes totally like leaned over he started like gopher i was like oh my god like backed up and he's like like puked all over i'd taken off bikini already is like all over my bikini god dude fuck like i guess i have to go home now because i don't have any thing to wear did he have pay for your bikini no but like you know like i've never put that bikinian bag in a leg tiggy digging home to like what you get him put yet i remember opening the baggage yes fokin nasty just ratching you're like make make you throw up oh god did he did at least tip you well i got paid for the dance but i think he was super embarrassed i seen years later he was like oh my god you remember me like you kind of made an impression he was like no embarrassing pursing guy to my life i was like it was funny dude i don't i'm not you know it was really like ever though do that was one time and you said to happen to more time well one time we were doing like a couple that we're getting married onstage strip club yeah at the there are two sitting in chairs on the stage and like i i saw that guy come and see again i was just like oh no you can always tell when i got the wobbles louis oh no like i looked at him i was like go go to the bathroom now go go go 'cause i yeah and he he like left leaped off the stage he's running to the bathroom the hallway he's vomiting and just leaving the fuck and then what about the do the jisr guy dick out he didn't pull technically police dick out but he we were dancing this club in portland called devil's point and this guy was this guy who also was like he tried to league hit me up one time he was like this is like my space stays he's like wrote me on my face he's like like i'm thinking about having a a mohawk night at devils point i was like mohawk night cheesy i'm the only one there with the mojo get yeah you get it's just me and you you're like i'm not into just entertaining you all night bro happening but he was like friends with owners owners so he thought he could get special privileges or whatever and then he came in one night and he was like can i get some dances though like the UK because i normally would just we like to busy at act really busy but it was kind of dead niles like okay i'll give you got money and of course he yeah well he of course he's paying but then he's wearing like the fucking full on silk shorts sweatpants basketball or whatever you know he was hoping that are like really senators lab and grinds dick but i totally didn't sit i didn't touch him i was not touching him the whole time it was three songs three songs we did and you're not even touching him no dancing just dancing just moving around and then at one point i'm like i have my back to him which i did most of the time because i didn't want to look look at him and then i felt i was wearing fi hide i felt like a splash and like i was like what the back of your thigh on the back of my eye on my boots and i was like are you fucking kidding me you just jessica my fucking boot and he was like oh my god knows and so sorry i've just always wanted to do that might get you don't you don't you know you're eighty six for life now he's like oh what the fuck i i know it was cool because i got to write him off and i never had to talk to him again yeah you're like did you get them all the could never come on because you can't you cannot it just girls like i've heard at some he said like some strip clubs like strip clubs girls give hand jobs like i dated a guy who was a strip club DJ and he used to tell me all this kind of work at crazy rules he worked at god what's the fucking name some of it some fucking piece of shit place in the valley i forget the name of it anyway he was a strip club DJ and he told me like they had been busted like twice already because they would basically it it was basically like a fucking prostitution place 'cause girls would give hand jobs girls would suck directly they would just try to turn a blind eye because the people would pay more you know and then we'll yeah kip morale and blah blah blah but yeah like he told me it was working gnarly i mean once again not that there's anything wrong with that but there should be basically sigli if you ask me there should be brothels shoop or straight now yeah there yeah there should be like decriminalization of all sex sex work and they should have separate place because it is harder for a dancer that just wants to dance to make money versus she's working in a place like that we're girls liking deck i i mean i i worked at crazy girls for a little while when i first moved here because they have like the rock nights there and i would host them present bands and style right and that's what i was thinking of lebron crazy that one indiana and but if anyone ever asked me for a dance they'd always be disappointing because like right next to the he there's a sheer curtain and you can china league you couldn't totally see we can see a little bit of what's going on next door and they would always be some shady how and like i remember some day seem for someone and they'd be like can i get a dance like that how much for that one i was like you would have to ask her for that type of dance i'd go that high of dance and of course i wouldn't make money because i didn't do that that that's a bummer such a bomber i mean if that's what you want to go do for a living like it's fine of judgment yeah you know make money doing your with your body auty which i wish i wish i could yeah i wish for me as i'm just a dominating personality type and 'cause i i mean in my logical mind like it makes sense 'cause i've had horrible sex with horrible people for free yeah the worst so i'm like these women are making a profit and some of them might even be getting some good sex out of it like better than some of the fucking that horrible sex i've had with people for free you know that's one of the things i think about all the time like when i was a little girl and my mom was like fucking random dues i'd be like she should really be charging no i i it's kinda crazy though because i'm the same way as you low like i could never fuck someone that i was an into like i could never suck dick or like touch them like i just can't do it why don't you do porn and i'm like i really like to choose yeah and then it just has to kind of be a little more for me half like probably more than half of what turns me on sexually is the hunting yeah i like to hunt and like that's also why i i can't do relationships because once i get in the relationship i get bored you're y you won the person over it's not even just like winning it's more just like there's no hunt anymore there's no that's very guy behave i'm a very very much dude when it comes like that's a that's a guy that's how guys are i know they're like they're silly girls my girlfriends tell me all the time we one of my my girlfriend's now it's like oh i fucked and now he's not like being like romantic to me and like he used a message me every morning and like dude you fucking gave it away too soon you you know like it's gotta be but that's the kind of thing like some people like you like it doesn't even work out because then once you get the person you're kinda like okay this isn't fun anymore you know it works works out for me if like the people that i've dated that our relationships last longer is if they still have a really busy life and they're not like obtainable obtainable to me at any moment you know but if they're just around all the time then i gordon yeah and yeah what the fuck would you like people that like some people i have girlfriends that like they they never liked guys that like them they like the guys or girls that tree i i would i would say okay no-one can treat me like shit show but not like super into them you know what i mean i mean is someone's into me they still have to like i need them to be more just still like kind of on their own shit like they can't be involved in a way that they like really you know i mean i dated a girl wants that was really really liked that with me but the thing is like mine and her relationship was probably one of my best in most favorite relationships because both me and her were the same type of personalities where are we both were givers and we both really wanted to please each other in every single way and she wasn't you know like i she really played it hard to get for a long time before we got together and then she but she was still open to when we were dating she would still date other people and i need that which is weird i like a a lot of my partners don't think i love them because i want them to date other people but i might be a little cock holy i'm a lot like a do i like knowing that other people wanna fuck my partner her and i like hearing their stories i get off on like them still having adventures and i don't even need the whole time dated her i didn't hook up with anyone else but she was also like super in SEM i'm not and i like i like the look of it and you're like oh i like i like the basics of it i like all the basics i'm just not hardcore hardcore like she is she wanted to like really fucking torture me tie you up and put fucking pliers on your she's like tied me up to like her wait equipment and then she like put like us in clothes pins all did that torture than like candle wax shit that she put ice cube in my vagina yeah i was like blindfolded like fucking my mouth was covered everything i don't even know what's happening right now honestly the ice cube thing if i wasn't tied up i would've fucking kicked her ass fucking killer it's so uncomfortable she knew that i hate being cold fucking cold anything i would there's no way i would want an ice cube to ever touch my fucking skin to push that shit out i've been like oh god it it was like so rigid and cold froze my pussy like my shit got us it was a big ice fuck that the only reason thin i didn't kill her after that is because i knew that she was gonna fuck me really good after okay and like i mean both me and her like fucked each other till we couldn't take get anymore all the time we would just like fuck each other to death wow yeah like sometimes for hours it was just like we were both competitively fucking each other which is she was the best for that it burns earns a lot of calories really it's really good exercise guys here it'd be like your arm gets tired this arm gets your mouth is broken you're just like i can't i have to use my foot now dead i actually did fucker with my foot one every part of your body is just fucking like exhausted yeah and then you're timing one other store things time to wrap yep i just love having you here and i love like just having real raw honest conversations because i feel like so many people come on these podcasts and they're gonna tell like my most innocent story because i i don't wanna like look a certain annoying so i just love how real you are your timing you were dating a guy at one point and what about that guy he like the strongly yeah so this wasn't dating this jose just like going one night i was like really horny which will be once a month or something like i'm forty four now i don't fucking care like look like you're like thirty dude i thought we were the same age that's crazy in my allies LA flirty on in my thirties i was much more ravenous but like i've definitely like chilled out in my forties i kind of just like fuck school maybe i don't know whatever but i think part of that is this i work a lot here yes it works so much you look fucking thank you like skins gray on point you thought your thinking cap on d. makeup yeah not that i would not even being forty is even old at all because everyone looks fucking i mean look at j. lo she's fucking fifth jaylo chills me i'm sane i saw him person i wanted into like i'm gonna see you in person she's not gonna look that nope fucking bitch looks like just perfect just gorgeous gorgeous and like smells good and everything thanks so go ahead backed out dildo guy dropping right sorry so this story is one night so i was like horny and i was like i need to go hunting and alike i don't know why i should just go to college because that's where i'd find more of my time like i like innocent so i'll be like usually hooking hooking up with people that are not don't look like me i like innocent like clean showered i'm that's not the opposite of me i'm clean showered like i'm just saying reign why i dislike innocent people because i have none but i was at the rainbow gross already gross the story starts gross already but like i was like honestly it wasn't really they're totally prowling but like i was kinda just like moser gonna be anyone fundable here i don't know like sometimes but like there was a guy i started talking to a musician i'm not gonna say his name but anyways he was like kind of my age which is normally not my thing like usually like way younger but i was like we had had a lot in common we started talking and then we were just talking about sexual stuff and you know he asked me he's like hey have you ever fucked a guy in the ass and i was like i mean just at the rainbow the bulgaria oh you know sitting at the bar he's like jim fogler guy in the right and also you know like i i think to do in the ass many times but i've never really gone yeah i've never we're headed do that with like requested it i'm not going to you know pull it out you know that you don't like i've fucked girls and strap bombs but like not dude and he was like oh yeah and we just had some more conversation about sexual scenarios and stuff like that and then he was like like one of the other things i really like a tractive someone for even if they're not like totally my time i'm like okay hey there like not in town for more than a day and they have a hotel room like okay that's even better to see you again and again and we don't have to go to my place okay yeah this is sounding hotter and hotter okay and he's like yeah i'm just so tell down here and he didn't drive there he walked in he was like i had that big creepy van back then the yeah and i was like i can give you a ride back and then by then i was like just like this guy whatever and so you know power and we go inside and like literally walk in the door sore and he comes out of a room and he has a hog tie in a strap on he's like all right and i was like oh he was prepared oh you have you like i was your life we i just talked about this like yeah now yeah well this will be my first time fucking guy in the ass tonight i guess that i'm checked it off the bucket list just you know like i mean this is new to me i wouldn't normally like to experience this with someone who i've kind of gotten to know a little letter so i know how i don't know if you're having a good time i don't know but like let's just walk me through it bro so he just bends over and you just fuck hog tied so he's fucking position yeah looking you know getting fucked in the ass and then and he loved it yeah and then eight me out a little bit but i was like he didn't really like fuck me and i was kind of like um i'm not really a big oral sex person i'm kinda like kinda germaphobe so i don't really like mouth especially okay once i get to know someone with somebody not then fucking we do whatever but like for first time scenario i'd really like to swap a lot of spit and shit like is like i always used protection i'm always safe that's how i'm i'm still healthy this this day in time in my life you know like because i've always been safe even you know when i was a junkie a fucking use condoms with people fucking whatever and even if i thought the world was going to end i still want to use a condom i don't it's scary you don't want to fucking be careful guys when i was a little girl if my mom took a sip of my drink i wouldn't anymore yeah i was unlike that too i'm i've always been like i don't like that either even when you're when your partner wants us your toothbrush oh no i don't know if we make out kiss but like dot on sure i know i would be horrified haras fight as someone even asked to be like yeah let's share toothbrush really what book can can no so but then you know he did that and then he was like yeah i'd really like to hang out tomorrow and i was like after that i'd like made me more horn and i was like okay like i'm gonna try to fuck him again to really get mind this time and but the next day i had to work at crazy girls that night and i was telling i was like listen to at crazy girls if you're late you get a late fee and it's like forty bucks one i was like so i can't be late and he's like no meet me here and we will whatever over and we go then he's like he makes me go to get food with him i and i'm like did you like the conversation with the student now is now at this point i just wanna get fucked i was like okay we're fuck o'clock got done talking and then he's like okay inland can we stop at the store real quick i need some condoms and students wow okay like i mean a house some but maybe you need your specific right now so we went in there and he grabs like a new deal though and then i'm like was going on on the way back i'm like you know i don't have a lotta time to lake you know do a whole i feel like we should just do like regular regular sex this time so we can both get off kind of and like then i can go to work yeah i won't take much time and promise and i'm like okay so again and then i'm late for for work so i basically ended up having to pay to work or basically pay to get fucked and i didn't get on you didn't get off and you ended up putting him in the bud again and then you had to pay hey yeah you know guys suck sometimes sometimes sometimes they're really selfish yeah i mean i've been selfish too but i usually i pre warn people will but i definitely wouldn't ever make anyone like late for work and and be reciprocal embed guys i mean it's like it does not a one way street well you know like the keita happy relationship was watching this interview with like this like fucking ninety year old people and and it was like a couple of maybe married like forever since there were fourteen and the guy was like well what's the secret and he goes we have sex every day even if we don't want to make sure that i'm like jeeze you're like a hundred like what are you fucking have sex with like i don't know it's kind of scary but that was their answer that you know i wouldn't wanna do that eighty fucking hundred years old like with his dinosaur decling tackling no but i mean they were happy and they're like extra secret like just make make each other come everyday anyway that's yeah 'cause i yeah there's plenty of day like i have a thing where in the winter i get really bad seasonal depression even here i thought moving away i'd be late so i don't have that anymore it's still chilly here off aw the fucking east coast still chilly if i have to wear pants is just yeah i'm sad yeah yeah pants a symbol of sadness to me i have no pants on no pants love ever a hate pants yeah but you wanna get married one day not really don't believe i think it's i of course i support everyone else doing if if they think it's thing but i honestly don't understand why it's still a thing i think in our society it's it's like kinda been proven it's not like necessary does what work i think if you wanted to have kids then maybe it's something but even then i don't know l. kids know just more dogs same i think that kids are great if someone if i was with somebody that already had kids and they needed demeter marry them to make a family or whatever they may be some kind of scenario like that like i mean that girl i dated how to son you know like i felt like when we broke up that was the worst part for is i felt like i had to break up with him to and i mean that's part of the reason me and her broke up is i started realizing had more in common with him you like me and the sun or best friends aren't really care about you anymore i mean i just i was like meet her just have really good sex but it's not like it is like i remember one morning she was she woke me up first of all don't fucking wake me up i don't give a fuck if the house is learning russia's i've i sleep theme and she's playing acoustic guitar guitar over me aiding away to wake up i was like honey i know i eat your pussy but i'm not that gay yeah aw i cannot with this dom check yeah absolutely she was she was very versatile person he was honestly really really really talented whatever guitar but like can you come by your ass out the fucking dorm sleeping right now i feel bad because i think kinda hurt her feelings but at the same meantime i was like some girls herded herded her devoted ho feelings whatever some girls love that shit though they're like all i think there is coming along and being like i'm sorry if if tommy ever fucking god on the guitar and started serenading me i probably punch him in the face thousands so embarrassing saying i would never do that he's not cheesy like they would have to sing lake george michael for me to like get down with it 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PART 1: Michael Blowen, Dick Powell, Mike Vesce, Tammi Piermarini

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PART 1: Michael Blowen, Dick Powell, Mike Vesce, Tammi Piermarini

"Sirius xm ports within the first week catholic interview where he will do a very good thursday race fans serious to nineteen xm two oh one sports overnight sixty four listening the series xm online and that are website to see thick dot com an absolutely glorious here and looking forward to the weekend more and more and we we have a little bit of a shift because the weekend is gotten a little bit bigger than i even realized as as i was pulling up all the i'll be overnights and then printing out all the pd's kind of realize that between queens late day at woodbine and some of the speed down at gulfstream and so on and so forth a the two year olds at churchill and a on and on and on mother goose and you name it and then of course the suffolk weekend so i think what we're gonna do we're gonna stay in and there's just too much tomorrow to regular preview so were not gonna broadcast from suffolk will be there will be at suffolk a saturday but we're gonna basically get everybody on that a i i know will you know appreciate a chance it's the talk about v a the days in east boston in a this morning michael blow it after are first break it will start with blowing who is a as greatest storyteller as you're as you're gonna here from an a you know as a journalist particularly at the boston globe and yes he's the film critic but you all know his adjusted devotion to the game and the time a that he spent on the backstretch at at suffolk go walking hots and a he he was there were also gonna talk to mike vesey and you hear mike you're kind filtered through when we do particularly derby leadoff as one other clockers a one of v most respected clockers a that the public doesn't really know and mike bessie the lakeville perry's nephew and on saturday the seventh race is going to be the bill perry and the entire perry family a will be on hand and why we couldn't do a a suffolk appreciation and a new england racing appreciation without without mike guy i was hoping you know mike is the little shy little little media shy as they say and a will talk to him at ten o'clock and many more we've got a we've got so many people mike welsh i just got up that just in fact i think interruption of preparation for the show because i ended up on the phone with with wells from fifteen minutes and wells was doing some free associating about new england will talk to mike tomorrow eleven o'clock mike wells tomorrow a because in addition to his suffolk reminiscence a there's also reaction action down at gulfstream and he's also gonna have to prepare for sunday's force out that there's another rainbow six force out at gulfstream an it should be it should be enormous there there should be a gigantic can't pot and will talk about the pick six kerry over new york and the results from yesterday in a second but anyway we've got we've got so many names that we were gonna try to fit in here the next two days because i just i realized last night actually as i was making plans i thought you know going through these races and going through the the the stack just queen's plate day alone a it's gonna be a handful you've got the chicago handicap which came up really good at an excellent saturday card at arlington tomorrow churchill i mentioned the two year old racist like the bashford men manner and the debutante but there's also some other you know there's some just a very good slate essentially the kelly's landing a as well a part of the action and one horse i did not ask a brad cox about the other day was a will call the will call turned up in here and a starting to it's been a little while between drinks you gotta go back to last june for his last win so a he's he's involved a not any kelly's landing but in may a turf sprint allowance that drew undrafted as well from wesley ward and much more it's a very good late sequence owned by is involved in that same race to so good card at churchill with talked about a the marty mcgee tomorrow and a what else i mean i got i got a stack here of a stuck they tried to get through those that didn't see the they draw off for the the queen's play a full field and they they really good field that it's got it's got everything you could want in the queen's plate as always and thee see the opportunity for the philly and she drew the rail a neil howard and the sampson ho bread coming out of the woodbine oaks and on aid to race a win street cheese three for four on the year started her career in january at fairgrounds if we hadn't thought about it all the references to the great winter at fairgrounds and here's another horse that has emerged emerged from they the winter in new orleans right a steve behind aboard and desert ride and jesus budget headliner is anybody one bad boy who you know from are conversations with richard volve this earlier in the winter and this was a horse that i just was so impressed with an april came back and in the second inning alcatraz off that maiden win but this is a worse that at the time when i brought him up with bob this you'll recall that he acknowledged he ontario breathing in that potentially the long range go with the queen's plate and here he is an flavian pratt comes with a boy there's this there say there's eight tricky interesting trivia question potentially right the jocks that have won the queen's plate and the derby be in the same year let's let's go to the mat for that one there we go there's there's a good what a quite a few other interesting a portions of this federal law shows up as for mark cassie out of the plate trial where he was corralled late a four by pave a piece rachel halden 's silent name gelding end jamie spencer to ride how about that and you know other names of these other cassie of course sky wire that was always intended for this obvious flatter drew view extreme outside for josie carol coming out of the american turf but of course at one the transylvania and then got beat to links a indie american and have your castle leno who wrote him in those those last two stakes but yeah you go back to last year when obvious ladder match up the cup and saucer and the coronation view thirty wins on the woodbine polly so avi slatter but he's gonna have to negotiate a trip from what the fifteen the fifteen fourteen fourteen o a the queen's plate always fun and the rest of that card came up terrific as well the king edward and a mentioned the charlie barley a there's a good meeting race stuck in between everything and effort that goes as a as lee seven two year olds be interesting the dance smartly and a what am i missing all the great one sprint the highlander high later a and the highlander has got a lot lot of a lot of names that the in the fact that just you know it's funny looking at that is thinking about that that race it that churchill i'm surprised we got here nine right nine where she went to three seven nine there's nine in the highlander and i'm a little surprised a couple of those horses from that sprinted churchill did not a look to this a but caribou club coming out of out clause for proctor and verdict scale cox's got one samsung could be a big day for sampson l let tormenta stormy atlantic gelding trump better with wet your whistle who would you learned about when a before the preakness and i we talked about what what you're whistle with mike trucks the do ardo della core is very tough luck and be very tough when springs and mrs weber with the super smart cassie christoph lamont mr evans is the white flag worked in in here restored simon the really good i just gotta be a terrific day and i think i think they're okay weatherwise i better off the check on that front anyway i just a a big weekend and we're gonna we're gonna kinda put everything together a between suffolk and and the racing action there's actually a couple of things today to i wanna keep an eye on is a race it both churchill and in new york let's get to a quick result and before we go to the break and before the conversation start the course will catch up with asking as well and tony will slip in and then as i mentioned that see much more it has we talk affect a dick powell a slip into get stuck on a snapshot as they start to wind down just about i think what five the lesson five meetings i think left for them talking about new york yesterday an you know this will say this was a lot of fun i you know we spent a lotta time obviously between the the visit with my beer and with seth yesterday as we close out the show and everything thing was there at pretty much everything which was reachable andy some interesting things happened i thought in this sequence a applicator won that first leg and you know that both fermi enfor offer the free beer a you know it was one of the top two and so you know getting actually nine dollars nine ten a four applicator a one on the front end and and really was in control from the first jump a the you know the horses that were gonna try to rally were were a little bit in a jackpot in here a just nobody was nobody who's gonna get the applicator so that started all fine then came discretionary discretionary mark and this was very strange to me looking back goes off as the longest shot on the board i didn't i don't understand why it i you know i kept thinking his price would come down and it never did any ends up paying thirty four eighty and obviously became they do longest price in the sequence an i can't believe i can't believe that he would have been they it'll be that kind of a price with in the pick six it it just didn't make any sense i think the third an adam as a see on the ticket but thirty four eighty was a crazy price and he got a great car moosh ride at just held off banana fief they were at each other's kind of at each other's throats beth nice performance for clark rooster in that horse of leo's ran very well a lump twist the you know the disappointment and i you know i it's funny i wanna talk about the liberal favorites it's that move talkative you just knew you were like hey there's nothing there is nothing overwhelming about him that you know you just you you respected him more on the on the chad brown side of it and okay second north america you know maybe it'll be the but on paper he he was not any better than a handful so sure enough and probably some very small narrow tickets get knocked out whiskey is my wine who won but didn't do it stylistically in that third leg didn't do it the way you necessarily would've expected so just kind of showing you looked at him and you thought okay you're gonna have to be hustle from outside but instead he was wide and kind of chasing staying in contact but jose ortiz with just a a really confident handling of whiskey is my wine for george albro pays nice ten eighty we did get that exactly what i was hoping for fremont asprey by the way the karen mclaughlin the first time gelding yeah finished good third at fourteen to one almost fifteen to one the boost the try a then you had that crazy two year old race at the got all scratched up which is a kind of a mess you had the pre race scratch a by the get in front of the gay by the gate a of all guns blazing and then joe parker source our destiny had who hot in the gate and ends up scratch and that left things pretty much disposal of lewisite as and and build a buyer so this is now what they they second winter for byron in less than a week first year sire an assault breaker the first her it was kinda slow getting at the stripe looks like a worst wants more ground and cast alana kept after and kept after and kept after a mini he got there late to be second but anybody there was scratched you ended up fortunate because bulla by earned a three two win are favored so you got bullet by earn on your ticket and i i scratched doing a cd lady she righted the ship also on the front end rose aerial took charge early pretty much everybody had four ten favorite on their ticket and that got us the nightcap ended up there were some big prices available some big returns and my first gal michael bauer and a textbook louise cy as front end ride he did it for us twice on williams lucky greg take control their civil long and then on the turn makeup all about rush and then it's too late my first scout twenty two two thousand eight ninety two for those that got through congratulations break michael blowing starts us off after that he witnessed she owns sirius xm radio d r f sports for digital edition you're ultimate weekly bending guide published by daily racing form d r f sports one delivers all be analysis and insight you need for every nfl game more than forty college football matchups beat the spread with powerful trends sharp angles tapping best bets expert winters inborn offer just four ninety nine per issue this week's addition free dot com slash sports for enter code d r f sports university of arizona racetrack industry program prepare you for an exciting career in racing turn your passion into a paycheck nearly ninety 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you know being in boston it was it was always guaranteed and being part of the new england racing seen it was always guaranteed to produce a some some interesting stories than a some some moments and we're gonna try they were gonna try to recapture some of them a michael blow in is always a good choice where these kinds of conversations because he he can't resist he couldn't resist the atmosphere the lure a of a the the fair circuit and a suffolk and i'm sure narragansett and lincoln and a rockingham is well michael blowing good morning good morning steve yet a bittersweet day knowing that this weekend's gonna be last week and the racing at suffolk down just sad you know when i was growing up there were seventeen racetracks per thoroughbreds in new england in that included the fair tracts of course and now they're not and so were i'm hoping that they are there'll be able to get something back up their backup and going because they've people in new england while he supported racing now we're gonna talk the louvre federal later this morning in the third hour and will get an update on the what the be the management team that that it does have the benefit of of the license and what the the prospects might be for the barrington fair essentially in and breathing life back in barrington so will find out the what's happened since that a sense that tour a last month which in fact a recount really happened to be a part of a hammer was the was towing along a he was on the on the east coast and lou invited him onto it so will get those kinds of updates but for now i have to say this about louis that us aid massachusetts raising more first time you can count on when he brought cigar in a in a win the mass cap twice and skip away into win the mass kept twice it totally reinvigorated everything at the racetrack and kept everybody going i mean he is amazing human being in racing as a lot a lot lower federal i'll tell you well we're gonna talk a were gonna see what the what loose thoughts are going forward and going backward though michael talk about you're you know you're days a year you walk some hots and a you know you were you trump the the backstretch yourself and of course the front side to you know put some money in through the windows and and soak in the atmosphere of brings back the the heyday well i was i was all over the place 'em well i used to get up in the morning and i just a worker carlos figuroa on you know mocking out stalls and walking hotson and doing all that and free somebody from the outside it was a it was a lot of fun and i got a lot of exercise and i learned a lot is the best education i ever got studying it figaro university 'em we get up every morning you know carlos is one of those guys if we get these old classy horses in and fix them up an off day go and a and a so so i learned an awful lot at the bottom and he he could learn a lot if you don't get paid and you have no further aspirations then bucking stalls and walking hots and a so i got a great education from carlos taught me a lot about the horses and especially the ones the classy ones they're heading down there in the wrong direction so but that said everybody the people that ran suffolk downs a the racing from racing secretaries tommy creel field and john morrissey and everybody everybody had a good time you know one of the things that i remember so distinctly is there was a lot of laughing going on you know people had great sense of humor 'em it i mean just culturally i think it's gonna be a real subtraction from the community and ironically of course 'em they've got a casino going up right down the street in in everett that i think open opens this weekend students up at closes and i think it's a it's a bad symbol well and of course the the whole licensing of of the casino and that whole process a i i think there's still lingering questions about what went on with that commission and a you know what what essentially was a the rug pulled out from under richard fields and you know and and a chip in it they are if they could just let racing you know exist on its own resin everybody getting their fingers in the pot and trying to put it in one direction of other don't have the the love and admiration after the sport a at the top of their list and there's always gonna be trouble s v you know this is the quality of the racing a you know i think people essentially michael you'll think of it and thought of it a you know aside from these these weekends that that louver federal has as a basically utilize the facility and kept things going a by the way when it was running as a regular track in recent years it was thought of as a kind of a see signal a but there there were moments and and certainly you know the mass cap a you know had a had a real cachet i mean even even at the end the the the mask apple is still a you know a big day in a big race oh yeah you know absolutely you know we you know commentator commentators a winner the mass cap and we have him at are facility are bobby frankel facility up outside saratoga toga 'em i would share the data that he want it and and as as we said you know having a drawn skip away there and drawn a an drawn a cigar there which was huge and i'll tell they put on his show i mean bill mont brought cigar back i think for the second time to the mass cap where cigar could have gone anywhere and i think one of the major reasons of bill brought him back there is because we were fetterman everybody suffolk downs showed him a great great weekend i remember on a friday night before the mascots they rented a yacht a boat and everybody went on out into boston harbor and right next to the uss constitution in and took it a little ways down the south shore and then came back again and it was just a marvelous evening and bill bill told me that he thought this is one of the nicest easing she's ever ever had with anything associated with the racing so they always knew how to how to do those sorts of things in in in the end that's part of the sad part and you're right you know it was always it was almost always be on the sixties in the in the in the mid seventies it was always always see tracker to be kinder about maybe a c plus track you know we see a lot of thirty five hundred dollar climbers i have a i have a horse here with me name summer attraction a who won a broke his maiden at to further launched a in the maiden special weight at suffolk downs speeding three other horses in nineteen ninety seven in june and he's still with me nice nice a now you know what i'm looking at the list that i you know historically and of course the track opened in nineteen thirty five and it it didn't take long including the the mass cap which was run that you know that first year but in the third year nineteen thirty seven a seabiscuit wisdom ascap as with red bollard and fighting fox sunny jim in bel air eight thirty one of my favorite historic horses world the way a as a four year old in in forty two a you you look at a tablet a style me and a to market the max version it that's just from that standpoint in and then you know some some just good there's like a period when there was some standard kind of standard type a handicap horses and then as you mentioned you think about the the period starting with the i guess the mid eighties and quite the a winter private terms than the two cigars to skip always barons running stack a macho who know and a you know just a there was that there was that revitalized vitalize period does that was pretty i ended up with barents here at old friends to which is really cool i you know i remember river river ridge more uber rich yeah i remember when penny chinnery was was a living here in lexington we were friendly in one day i was at her house actually teach you how to throw a baseball because you supposed to throughout the first pitch at the lexington legends game and a and she says you know i've known you long enough i'm gonna let you go upstairs stairs but you got a promise not to take anything so i went upstairs and those up there for about fifteen minutes when she said what are you doing up there you're taking anything i said no and i came down she goes i and i said where you know i tempted to take one thing but i couldn't fit it in my pocket and she says what's that and i said that the blanket river ridge award winning one the massachusetts handicap that's great that's great ria rather there's river ridge absolutely a says seventy seventy three and a that the names of the summer summer less familiar but certainly the connections weren't and and the jocks a a will hit all these a lot of these there's a there's one that i should note skipped trial the withdrawing luke and sunny a that wasn't eighty six founding basque a how about that bounding vast dixieland band the best one i ever went to was the one with a broad brush and what quite an jimbohannon was the race caller at suffolk downs in jimbohannon is one of the great great race callers ever i mean he made a thirty five hundred dollar claiming race really interesting he was really great but if anybody wants to treat going you to find that mask out between broad brush and walk quite i thought jim hanso is gonna have a heart attack but you couldn't separate him you couldn't a separate him with the sewing needle all the way down the stretch it was absolutely unbelievable neither of those horses giving a niche not a great race car by a by jim hand now this is a it's it's gonna be a a an emotional a couple of days a mike vesey is gonna join us at the top of our to build perry's nephew a very one of the greatest trainers ever quiet unassuming went about his job every day i mean why he built perry of course trained form of gold those properties biggest source but bill perry's one of the nicest people i've ever met in one of most people most dedicated character is animal she did a great job well and he was a mass captain eighty three with let burns a and the jack penny aboard a and you think about northeast found a even though formal gold was the big horse northeast found the and and being nailed the slimmest of margins in that breeders cup mile a at churchill a war champ got a fridge drysdale and a you know that was and and perry was already you know the the parkinson's was it was already taking a toll at that point i remember him i think about the paddick a michael and and you know waiting for the horses the come to the the paddock and a bill perry leaning against the the the stanchion in one of the stalls at a you know bill bill is indicative of the camaraderie you know i i remember you know jay bernie dini in olive are are neighbors you know mike aero on john rica teary ron dandy all those guys this tremendous camaraderie people helping out each other you know they competed on the racetrack but at other times you know if you need is something you know they they really really stuck together now and plenty of plenty of high jinx i suppose is easiest way to describe what when we get mikey aero because we can't do one of these things without mike joining joining us and a he he a he'll get he'll get a laugh and a he could tell stories like i could turn the turn the show over the mike arrow and three hours they'll go buy them telling stories a mike arrows the greatest he really is a funny guy and he's a he's a good horse meant to michael a you know the way that's the way it is reality you know i'm retired in kentucky not really wish i could be up there this weekend i really really i wish i could have gotten there i'm surprised i i you know there's there's are there are people come in from from all over talking about bilberry a the perry family that race on on saturday and roses got thirty people coming oh that's so great yeah yeah well that's what i mean i mean it's just there's there's at least a hole in a in a in a you know in all the big racist raw obvious reasons get the most the most attention but but they were really the heart and soul of daily racing it put it out there every day you know in the middle of rice snow and rain sleet to cold blowing in front of the bay in you i've never been colder my life and those february mornings at seven downs and i'll tell you this about bill bill perry one day i remember carlos taking a horse out and and collins says well you tell me how he did his college demonic well it's called and i went out there because i'm an idiot and and the only other person out there looking at a source that day working out was built perry and it's like it's cold wasn't even bothering me just steely eyes on his horse and seeing how is going knows one of the one of the great moments michael la will a will gonna keep appreciating a subject today and tomorrow a less appreciate before i let you go as they work that's going on at old friends which it never ends somebody retired you're you're you don't you don't ever stop working and fund raising and expanding the facility and adding a attractions a four legged it attractions the what's been going on because i keep mine rave well we had a cameo a little rehearsal appearance against the parents he's not coming to your friends as far as i know but why is dan was here yesterday to see what was everything was about without any lopresti in a next week from a week from saturday were doing all friends day here it here at a i'm old friends appreciation of why stand and why stands put in a personal appearance so how so that'll be good and then we've got some new residents we've got a were missed the stronach and everybody springs very kind to donate einstein dust and he's doing very very well we we just kind of a horse i really adore name hoagy carmichael oh man i love hoagie hoboken land is he's he's right next degreen mass how about that that they do some turf sprint thing they they could challenge each other up and down the fence line or they or any of the same old days they say they're the same panic know their next door though they could see each other that's great that's great and we just got we got we got the trifecta when you're in the trifecta back to the mark steaks up at saratoga the trifecta was king kresa rafa end loop bosh and now we have all three of them here about that the great brand new york groping then saturday i'm told by the owner in a trainer by leonard any owners that a choice that's gonna have his last race it low sal on saturday night in after that he'll be coming to or friends who were very very excited about that actually got a lot of stuff going on at saratoga oh a the breeders cup is a donate an end maker's mark i've created another a collectible bourbon bottle a an mike smith dizzy see honoree this year last year was wayne locus in previous years we did it with a cigar insane yada a mike smith is gonna sign all the bottles and and the money's going to be split equally between old french and the pd j f which is really good and then a in saratoga we have are are free event on august seventh on the porch a dance washington in where everybody's invited a lot of people commonly have some beers tells stories and a have a really good time and then on august the fourth joanne pepper and mark peppers who do such a great job but your friends up the cabin creek are having their big fundraiser the saratoga national golf course and making making call so we can give him a further details and i'm also looking at another farm up in new york because we need to expand it i'm trying to raise the money for that now there's eighty acres in greenfield and it's only ten minutes from downtown saratoga and i'm desperate trying to get the money up because we got all these new york brad sitter really really good and we get a lot of support from new york so we need to do some expansion up there and we just don't have any more room over over it cabin creek so relaxing try and get that done this summer will keep four fingers crossed and inject note and one of the owners of funny side of course in one of our great supporters over the years is helping us spearhead that well you know tremendous that'd be between between so i sat hoagie einstein diversify a all new arrivals and the august seventh for be a the mixer at the at the washington in those that are gonna be in and around saratoga always a fun a oh oh he's a funny thing and i got there late last year because i think we had another there's another fund raised a major that same day right you can't i mean i know i know i have to come home radically exactly exactly well michael as always i appreciate the the taking the time and look forward to seeing you at saratoga this summer always you're you're always in a a wonderful mood in the will get john i'm sure a during the saratoga summer ahead of the fundraiser august seventh mark your calendar and those that are fans of of all of these terrific campaigners diversify a just a try to get ready for this year's racing but the not not the not gonna happen then maybe maybe he missed the final at the way the rest of us do yeah well jonathan thomas is a great guy and i called i called him as soon soon as i found out that diversified was injured and probably wouldn't race again in the next day call me back and said well owners have go to france or very excited about that nice night stein a course telling the kitchen design stein is already on him and nice seeds on the table in and i shouldn't probably jake's myself but we've also been talking to dina springs about the possible retirement of milwaukee bruce or will see who the nice nice now as always a whether you're you have a horse on on a favorite list or if you just wanna go and and walk throughout the facility at at old friends in any of the satellite locations kentucky downs and a year in the saratoga areas well kevin creek michael a tremendous work we'll see you soon and i know you'll be watching the big sendoff suffolk saturday and sunday i certainly well steve thank you so much michael blowing everybody old friends and a michael of more tomorrow friends and is a long association with racing in new england even while he was reviewing a cinema so the boston globe let's take a break here will come back get a visit from dick powell talk about be winding down of the season at high con shipped in in happy valley a happy valley yesterday in just i think i think five more meats and that's it right after the season and then will visit with mike vesey haskins later lure a federal and and more as we appreciate suffolk downs back after this with steve on sirius xm radio john is expressed similar treasure did you can't make it to the spot where where the turf reach the surface do the next best thing in place saratoga end jomar with express back and while you're at it don't miss express bet one hundred forty thousand dollar put his son handicapping competition please saturday's by making like ten dollar wager on one word teacher pin competition racist each week top players collect 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know not really a i did worse richard feels when we walk together on me excelsior racing that was supposed to get a franchise and then a certain politicians dust what a parent when he was doing in his private life so we got screwed on that one but richard was the leader of that group and he brought a suffolk i was over there wants to visit some impressive facility spotlessly clean and a you know it would have had just phenomenal potential in terms of what he wanted to do and then he got the same treatment that he got in boston that he got me he he he got stalled out from under yeah and it was it was i mentioned earlier what would blow in a very the the commission and the way that all managed to you know just the shift the eleventh hour a very but that's you know that's part of it i i won't i won't get into it with you right now about about the franchise at where where they excelsior was never getting the franchise a at that we could have that discussion at some point you so i well i wasn't there and i but i will say is there is there observing and talking principles including john neighborhood who who from dave from from the word go work go said it was never being arrested away from from these association and how it would have ended up in in a in a vicious court battle had it you know the state tried to steal the way i mean they they just the whole thing is is that that's interesting i will will will will have that discussion maybe wobbled a roundtable on it all right now i'm not that they frankly not that it matters now a but a a let's a as we wind down toward the end of the season con a this is a big international a big international a week of course with the last week with wral ask it and i even yesterday gave everybody a live look at the the carlisle bell from carlisle a race course yesterday which was fun i well i think i think someday be irish therapy yes it is it a room i like eight in o'brien's although horse not the darby one room i think he can switch things around talking about some but in hong kong they throw another wrinkle out of that you know they run wednesdays saturday accepts every once in a while they run said today or wednesday sunday and sometimes they run saturday well this week a they're running sunday july first not sunday so early monday morning no matter where you are in america that is one shot ten will be running against eleven race card so take notice that because if you look in front of things sunday night early sunday morning you're not gonna have anything a yesterday at happy valley this is really fascinating i i write down all the winners and and the prices and everything else you gotta feel and how the race was a nice mix of favorites thirty dollar horace twentyone all or it's nineteen cup was even money so stuff like that but then i'm walking up the writers the thirty dollar horse was written by not too soon the nineteen dollars what's what's written by matthew film and they've been trying to then i'm like wait a minute that sounds familiar well last week at happy valley matthew coon at sixty two dollar winner added thirty six to one of those guys those brandon bomb after bomb off a different train of he's the seventh bleeding writer there and i think his business will be stocking up next year the meats unfortunately got hot way but still courtney fasted this one a and then back they'll be back wednesday sunday the normal schedule the metoo conan's been a someone to watch this stuff's amazing time i write these long shots now his name is next to them so a partner at a wedding yesterday job had a one day yesterday still was hugely we'd recordsetting meet at a hong kong and china parks and rec at that trump has and a betting was slightly it look just just looking at the big numbers steve it looked like anyone's down a little bit yesterday that might be due to somebody unrest in hong kong i get these emails that they have to close certain oteibi depending on the location of where the protests to being held and i know they had the closed at least one yesterday and i and i don't know how easy it is to get around the city with so many protesters in the streets so it looked like a handle this little shy of what we normally see on eight race card in happy valley shot tenants not in shot tens actually on the mainland so they're not they're not affected by a slide that other than they might have been known to be closed because of protests so that's that looked like a might have been a small fact yesterday the other thing yesterday it was a lot of come from behind or even though the turf was pretty firm you know they're going fifty six five furlongs a lot of horses clothes knows no gaito why wouldn't have the couple level on pace at everyone else was rally from off the pace which which shows you that harm her doesn't necessarily mean finance speeds kind of dominated a we start at belmont yesterday we saw some losses like you were saying that he rodriguez horse in the first leg and pick six he went quiet but now we we saw horses come from way way back after horses that opened up big leap so trump kind of keeps everyone in the game as long as someone doesn't get loose yesterday the the closing seemed do very well at happy valley so shot ten on monday nice card and what we're gonna look at the three big racism mccartney's all handicaps a the first one two three six and this is on the track it's a shot ten does how happy valley only helps her which is one reason why i like betting happy valley because it's more more consistent just purports is not next so this is on the track and i came came up with race number six number eight buddies and this is a john more trending zach per riding comes in here in good for won two in a row they moved the rating up and then last time i was a very good second so he still only yet he had been running forty sixty now he's up to sixty eighty five when he gets one twentyone so even though he takes a class jump he drops wait so i do like that and he's also side i'm always a soccer pedigree she's also cited by one of my favorites so you think and a they're gonna go metric miles sixteen fifty meters and they start right by right by the first time not much of a run into that first time buddies does have some speed and does have the rail so we'll see what kind of tactics sack perverting employees from down on the inside second will go and number two paying high treasure job river writing for john science that's been a monster a combination of meat fifty five when it is those two combined now now jalen is under contract to the size of fifty five one is that a two hundred ninety these starters so that's all we've potent third will go at number eleven imperial concord frankie law trains grid randy kirk rides goodwin three back a kind of up and down the class letter but i think that the low weight he's he'll be a factor over race sex on the track eight to eleven three seven that's another hong kong reunification cup i don't know if there's any ironing not one twelve twelve hundred meters on the turf start very quick right hand turn the good long stretch the finish up i'm going with lucky hero charlie sherman out though dominate the meyer goodwin toback was the beating the favorite last time only beaten up langton a very rough trip get slightly wages with a hundred twenty two pounds today draws pretty good posts four nothing wrong with that and i think lucky hero take a lot a lot of money and hopefully get the job done second will go number five thanks for ever this one one last time out by a short head against sixty to eighty moves up a little bit in class doesn't get penalized to bentley what the weight and john morris train at this time he uses carrots team as the writer and a third goal would be fine trudging the whole this one by one the one of the hottest fires in the world the vegas and a only dina lengthen three quarters last time outlets bumped crowded that were very rough raised up many of these horses come out of office so if a static and find some clear sailing from post six i think his play kick could be potent inhalable will see sogo in race number seven nine five and four and then race number eight this is be riding high together handicap cap twelve hundred meters on the turf same circumstance that before no excuse me gotta move on the race number nine skipping reasonably race number nine of these sportsmanship handicapped two thousand meters auditor so they start kinda like kind of before the finish line then they go around one so it's a two time line on the quarter i'm going with the the number one off the highway here grand chancellor just form it's been impeccable he's used a carrying these kind of weights grandstanding kirk writes back the john more he just looks a little too tough a drug seven so he'll be able to get a mountain in prime position second number fourteen but posts number three is whole whole field from a c h yup in matthew cone is all man i'll plead and get another launched a big lake takes the last two starts speaking do that again while moving up in class i think he'll be tough and third will go at number three classic beauty this is john more and zach curtain a little bit different combination there 'em let me see they've had seventy three mounts together and twenty eight one that so that's a huge combination a lot of lot of the meat in the beginning remember sean the rare wasn't writing important was picking up all about this so a more incised well he's the guy lied for and they send out number three classic beauty who has a little bit of pace so i think up part and by try to get this one involved early it's kind of africa's breaking proposed twelve but it's gonna have to get over use some of that speech but it's not out of the tonic style so he should be fine on race number nine were gonna go one fourteen and three and the ride bikes says watch out for fourteen 'cause that's matthew ponant tornado on his property alive how about that eric and i love it well dick i appreciate it we a where we got two weeks left in a yes that that they run out the wednesdays sunday scott jolan last card of fourteen so i think we would be on together eleven was next week you know well that'll be opening day at the saratoga to and so the con wind down in saratoga ears up there we go justin justin time that they have its fourth i appreciate it enjoyable i am looking forward to it and they were gonna look forward to a conversation with mike vesey when we come back mike the nephew of bill perry and a work the the track and a one of the top clockers in the game it's gonna be a special and and and emotional certainly on saturday the bill perry race will go is the seventh will talk to mike vesey after this he witnessed fees british sirius xm radio amazing achievements were surveyed the bridge on the world stage thanks thanks defined the city unique bella and shamrock rose ph joins kentucky as he only state in the past decade 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the race is a little bit at the top of the hour gonna be in boston the weekend for the last two days of racing at the suffolk downs and the uncertain future certainly for racing in new england but the history that that that'll remain forever and mike vesey part of it then of course you hear a lot more about mike he's he's he's always locked in a a visitor to the to the radio but a we we get the reference likes observations is one of the top clockers in the game he's the nephew of the lakeville perry and a mike is gonna be a huge outpouring of emotion over the weekend that's affected and certainly fair you and and the rose and the family of remembering villain saturday will will really feel like a special moment in the right thing to do good morning good morning steve thank you so much for having me on today not at all a you know this is been coming we knew is gonna happen somewhere along the line that you know these these these weekends that louis that has been able to craft a since the decision to award they they a casino license elsewhere a kind of sealed the fate fur for suffolk but the you the memories and experiences that'll that'll last the everybody talk a little bit about growing up around suffolk yeah i i grew up basically a about a mile or so away from south fake in a break basically next door to my uncles so my father was a horse player and my uncle was he a a train wreck south fix those kind of in my blood and always around it in one of the very first pictures taken of me was me in the winner's circle go in when when let burn one one the mass cat back in the early eighties so i guess you could say it's always been in my blood how about that and a i i referenced earlier with michael blowing i i i mentioned let vernon and you know everybody thinks about bill with formal gold and i you know i was there and got the dome a little bit threw a barbecue bill bill mayberry who was friendly with them for years and years and that day at churchill with northeast found in the mile came i mean literally a nose in a bob from winning the the breeders cup mile yeah i mean he did a little bit later on his career yet those really nice horses winning big races but he in my on always we talked in the fondest memories of the outlet burn a eighty four a mask capped a i think basically because it it kind of solidified him is being on the scene is like the biggest moment in their life and in a draw all the all these other accolades and racist ron and whatnot i think that that memory stuck go in their mind the most even today to this day my on a kind of get goosebumps talking about it in a show show me the picture of me just being like oh what a little tiny little baby in the winner's circle that day so 'em just just amazing memories of of that race track especially in those days back you know i mean in before i even came along a just the history that that came through suffolk and the people in the boston in the surrounding areas they really love horse racing around here in you know it's it's it's a sad it's gonna be a sad day you know on on many fronts we talked earlier with michael to about you know the the last few decades and the mass cap in a couple of other states days and stakes you know kept the bringing you know good horses to the track but as as kind of a c plus circuit the you know the the the horses that were running you know were were on the lower tier but it it it made her you know certainly made for fun opportunity firm wagering front i you know i don't wanna i don't want to open the floodgates on on the other kinds of stories that that certainly you know that that certainly people know exist i mean we we usually save those bikes of the fair the fair circuit conversations 'em you know but you know when you talk about the kind of characters that are around any racetrack and then multiply times boston it's unbelievable you know in rarely steve i you know i grew up as i was born in eighty one so i kind of miss a lot of those a those times but the stories i hear from my father in a you know a lot of his friends and anybody rarely that was at suffolk wrote those days it was just it it seemed like just a place to be the characters and just how much fun they had of course you know but you had somebody a be a a shady characters i guess you could say that that came through the there over the years 'em but it's just so much history so much personality so much character 'em you know that that a i've always heard these stories in the was around so i you know i i was really going with my uncle sometimes i'd love to go with him early in the mornings but that was in the late eighties early nineties when when all those stories kind of subsided in whatnot i kind of felt like i kinda missed out on that that golden era of subject but a the stories just a kind of solidified me and in my journey through through her horse racing in my decision to a make it make it a livelihood did how much how much actual work did you did you ever get much of a chance the the work on the track in the backstretch no i did and i was too young because my uncle i would lose my uncle kinda went a long miss back in the early nineties slugs in school and i really didn't do much work and it's quite honestly he didn't want me or his daughter really to be on the backstretch all that much but i would beg asking kinda just fall morale at little kid just following around my uncle and asking them questions and whatnot so i never got a paycheck from him but a m i pick his brain as much as i could well and the knowing a you know knowing what we know about you and your observations i mean obviously you learn you learn wow i mean as a as a blocker and you know you're you know you're insight in in the way you know seahorse a that obviously i mean that's a direct the a direct complement of the bill and and then bills own your own knowledge yeah i think the rarely as i went with my time with the racing form and just going through different tracks and just talking the different people around the race track 'em he was my uncle obviously i loved him but even if he had no relation to me a the prevailing sentiment everywhere i went was great guy great horsemen i mean to a man 'em that that's what i heard in in in you'll see it a saturday because most most the fall fall of his former employees have really gathered around and they're gonna be there and they're setting up a little up in the grandstands and and it's gonna be a big big crowd of a bill perry family in former employees so i think that speaks the him you know in this crazy game where there's a lot of of a you know changing around in different the employees and employers and whatnot a day remains staunchly fiercely fiercely loyal to my uncle in a yeah he's a great horsemen but i think that speaks to the to the caught the kind of guy he was he's just he just wouldn't hurt a fly just a mild mannered guy and i i love the and i'll go 'em you know naturally if he was day a you know the story in my school at muslim just his mom and his you know obviously they illness the the the parkinson's made it harder and harder for him in a he he soldier through it i you know i got to know him really right around right around the time of northeast found as i mentioned through the you know in through bill mayberry and a you know you you you think about you know how many more horses a you know had had the illness not you know not a really taken the taken him away from the game i mean we we think about formal gold who says good horses as as there was in his era a but there's you know there's other ones i think the people forget the star delayed in the one the acorns exactly yeah she only eight homocide lady in she was a real nice believe you can go obviously you mentioned northeast bound who is show versus one of the middle lanes cop got beat us off in the breeders cup mile on turf if you wanna make us market keeneland extremely extremely burst out or a you had buffalo dan who won the when they matched sheri's berries you know they know they implemented it but back in the day back in the early early nineties mid mid nineties he won the match sheri's a at that point and then you go back the lead burned and even before that some horses that i really don't remember too too little a two rarely you know before i was really into the game but you know he he got he got diagnosed early as a young man in he had really you know you want a bunch of training titles the suffix in he picked up move this tax the mamas and he was doing extremely well there and and i think with north east bound in for formal gold you kind of kind of came onto the national scene a lot more any in his career was on a a real upward trajectory at that point in a huge just one lucky i'm lucky guy 'em when he got that diagnosis and it kind of it kind of put a halt on his career in a not not one time steve not one time in that whole time he was sick the here and complain wants no you know it's just just a you know a a real like i said he had that trip beforehand wasn't like he was a new guy a new shooters so to speak but as far as not a national prominence a that that that that cut short really quick and a real shame you know no no doubt other pled you mentioned buffalo dan i i kind of forgotten about but a personal merit a national merit yeah the nineties and a a mountain top mountain top the the the another one a and then a and the northeast the that was the last big a big horse out mike i will see obviously saturday and it's gonna be a i think everybody you know is is girded for a on emotional a little bit of an emotional rollercoaster 'cause i i understand there's people coming from all over a uniform one day early other both and a you know there'll be one you know one sweet moment a bittersweet moment after another yeah steve it's probably be a real emotional day like i said a whole family mind on his his wife came up from florida in his grandson here in a all about family will be there and not to mention like i said his former employees to you know ten twenty years ago they still they still have that same respect for him and now they'll they'll show up and forced on saturday it all means a lot to us a swat family mike vesey everybody and mike a actually a is a been been drawn back into these into the d r f workout the fold the next week ride you're gonna do some you're gonna be clock and for welsh's at belmont yeah i'm gonna help them out here and then when i in a getaway in anytime i could help mike i i'll do so and i had to belmont to get started on me a the saratoga reporter and help those guys out a little bit so and i'll maybe i'll see up in the up at the spot this summer's wealthy absolutely add a will get john will get jennifer some you know some opinions as the summer goes 'perfect thank you david mike vesey everybody and a we'll see mike on saturday at suffolk downs were gonna stay right here because a treat i i am absolutely remiss it's my own i'll i'll apologize now that i waited to have tammy humor rainy on the show for the first time and tammy i i i'm sorry that it i'm doing it for this reason because there's so much to talk about with you over twenty five hundred wins in april tremendous writing career and a you know so associated with new england racing good morning how are you i'm good i'm good at you know here you are a and you know you're gonna keep writing after sunday but a some some thoughts you gotta be filled with the with all kinds of emotions knowing the saturday sunday will be the last two days of racing ever suffered earlier on you know my emotions right now in including my family it works from new england and right now it's it's were torn you know that's where i started up that's where my family still is it's there's a lot of history there you know i had my two thousands when they're it's a over two thousand and i've worn shoes i wanna say the majority of my racism right there in new england and it's sad to see it closed i started in the early eighties when the grandstand you couldn't move and the grandstand but you know as years progressed in one by it's safe fewer and fewer people in you know this weekend for the clothing and brings tears in my eyes and you know you you talk about the eighties and getting started an one of the things i mean with all the history involved at suffolk going back to the thirties and a bill vac owning it and you know some of the the interesting and fun stories the td thornton captured in his book not by a long shot but one thing that is really notable is these female writing colony and the female writers that got their start and it it say it's impressive list a shore is when i started writing there had to be no no lie there there had to be about fifteen of us girls in at least ten of us would ride every day we had boxes and then we had you know each little girl had cubbyhole it gets it gets to the point though there were so many 0 of us they had to come in an add extra boxes on the wall and there were days where we'd go out there because there were so many of us in we'd win nine out of ten races you know and have that i mean we're just so proud of myself show all about we consider ourselves like you know on equal to the men in but a to dominate on those days it was a good feeling to know in a male dominated sport here we we were we were the ones on many there were a lot and you know and then when it was very warm and receptive the female writers and and there was a lot of good writers that came out of you know not just female male writers that come out of boston pot says all of that five good ride at live the train welby the mccarron is of course a year thing out i and it's hard not to you know to to think about now you're gonna get me upset 'em denise woodrow yeah i i i i 'em yeah i mean it's it's i i rolled her her her husband you know later on and when denise was doing you know her her performing whether a horse but a as you did a great job you know when she retired and joined the performing with a horse but yeah i mean look at you had writers mary in both chow great ride denise real great writer a barber smith wasn't writing when when when i was when i started but i knew bobbers smith i mean you had a the abbey i'm trying to think you had so many girl riders a you had doting doorways yeah had a severe matt yeah has it myself you had even the likes of vicky bay just come across country the rideshare a meghan fabisch i mean there's been so many girls come and go that you know linda anderson and i'm still close friends with linda 'em i mentioned abby for i mean so so many girls you know at at that have that have come and gone and we were doing we we certainly can't have this conversation without mentioning jill jealous no i i thought i did bring up joe is my good friend in and kill is a character in a you know we we we she tell you how it was one of a kind you know we were good friends but she tell you how it was you know she didn't hold anything back and that's what i like about issue is truth will work for you they're also you having come in at the at the beginning and then you transitioning into you know a veteran writer and encouraging you know encouraging other youngsters in the room but you know essentially becoming a you know a measure yourselves yeah i mean i i tried it held will help out new riders the best emit they especially if they asked me i mean they were there for me for me because i did i did mention one name suzy kelly you know after she was done riding she she became a trainer in one one heck of a trainer and are combination i wrote a lot of these horses and did very very well for her we were a winning combination there but marian would help me suzy would help me denise a i write a lot with me but they're all gave me pointers you know what i mean and i try to listen in of course i'm sure starting off i don't remember much starting off i probably knew it all but you know i did taken a little fact and even to this day if somebody has something new that i can learn i'm willing to learn and i'm always listening and i'm always watching always looking to see if i could learn something new every day even even at my age now and so i tried it myself all the time yeah you mentioned training jackie faulk right jackie for came a bright jackie from yesterday at how funny it a of when we got i think late today yeah how about the horsemen talk about the horsemen they jason's and helped me well i you know i fell into the business by mistake i i a it all began with a babysitter job that went on to becoming went from show horses the resources and find myself at the racetrack and then i went off galloping for a bunch of different people like galloper ruse mock and bruce smith and bill perry net allen gal some of any billings and rugged teary eventually i became a writer in rosemont was in that alad and let's see a quite a few of these you know i had a good okay and i got my okay and you know they they stuck with me when when they gave you know i had at that time you had a half five letters of recommendation in when i presented him with a five like a red letters of recommendation you had it'd be seen by the store just a breeze the hawks how you look so hot and you know i got okayed these trainings that gave me the recommendation they all stuck with me gave me miles so their work in you know i want on my second mouth which was a time starter he was actually my first mount also 'em for gary the gentleman's name with gary larson in in all i want my five races rather quickly and just continued from there on the you know the state guys you know the kinds of steak horses and and i i know the worst that you know you've made the most on is is this doctor a block party that a joke the rico and you see no stopping yeah he is so they only lost it i wouldn't that many races on yes i believe one eighteen eighteen out of his nineteen when yeah i mean he's a special ross and he's he's you know he has quite the character i wish she was running this weekend a you know i have found also saint alford that the rico bread another nice mass spread that you know who's my he trains both wrong then we are definitely a winning team who's mocking i go back a long ways and he is my main outfit here in single lakes he also a has won over two thousand race and the whole we're winning combo right from the fact that he was one of the guys that gap or as a kid i think i got a gallon call sixteen when you got you like track so i learned a lot from call we have a good report he actually was a traitor that he took me out of town for the first time i went to a all those tracks new york while not pick but i want the belmont in i one right out of the blocks with him on a horse call tony you are and then i went aqueduct and one on one on there i went to new jersey one oh one of their you know we've tied track record's wisdom a lot you know who's mocking i like i said we're winning team we have a good reporter walk in i you know to ride for not just goes my box as i wasn't apprentice and attorney many years ago and upton now i've written for you know rocketeer either way had my first win at saratoga wins did you know that alad one a lot of nice racist for ned then peter following you know god rest his soul when he was when us a bit then he blames sarah's floyd donkey and he gave me my very first takes win and i was still in the principal wait wait you know she says you can't get it right mistake a bill perry awhile longer racist for him bruce smith another nice gentlemen were lotto winner water racist for him off at duffy you know i've won for some very respectful respectable train is that can train over was in train anyway you know real said mode ready for train is like mockus by tally george tocado he had some really nice mass but also mr mrs moseley want a lot of racist for them so i have you know a lot of history without suffolk downs and like i said a lot of talented people come out of there are a lot of talent the riders if you've been right there you could write anywhere if you could train there and be successful training there you're gonna be able to train anywhere but if you could ride the turf there you'll be able to ride the tour and you have to adjust to the weather you adjusted the tide yet they're just so the track his everyday it would change you had a bye bye bye outside might be better but i love it you know you have great food and great people meaning fans it's just you know they did in new england being books big big it's a sport you have three great teams patriots red sox celtic go for great game in the bruins so so you've got you've got a full weekend ahead to i mean you've you're melted the throughout both days and a it's it's i mean i have a lot i hope i go out with a bang well known and i know all about the horse and the horse were gonna i mean i i just i'm thankful that i have this many mountain that you know i have the backing for like i don't wanna win one everybody it'd be nice to win now and in the last the last opportunity i guess will come in the moran right in the steak on sunday for carl i'm i'm sorry what the last the last year last about the move will come in the in the steak on sunday right on in the thomas marino i i'm not sure if that's gonna be the last of the first we'd been making them you know like expedition addition racist so i'm not sure if that's gonna come on the first of all the last on sunday i still haven't asked yet but we were making these the mass sprint races exhibition racist where they start at twelve o'clock so i'm not sure how that plays this go round but it's not it if if it if it is the last rates were having well and for you to go with the the the go out it would feel it would certainly feel appropriate if you could win the last the last race ever suffolk i think about how you know right no you know if it if it if it comes to like what is it that the ninth on the tenth though i'm not sure what it is but hey maybe i think i write it no matter what the last so i'm i'm hoping i can win it well tammy i i'm delighted to be able to even under the circumstances and the backdrop of the closing of suffolk god is still the yeah he's the we could get job and you know i just wanna right i just you know i just also wanna you know say that you know i i'm not mentioned a few more trainers uniform and people that i have to thank along the way you might wanna think of course you know i i've written for wrong gorman catalog and all that they're a couple of other trainers that we go way back in in ice the ride for an and i want you know think administration and and i wanna thank chip title were fed all i wanna thank you know tommy creole and jessica the cat and mr field freedom from keeping track going for as long as they did and they you know eddie smith i mean they everybody you know fred's totally and movie by as i mean 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Ep. 2,874: David Feldman

MMA Junkie Radio

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Ep. 2,874: David Feldman

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I'm not even contagious. Put it to though. No, no, Poland a good hand washer and. Yesterday, arrested. Well, and nothing hurts in other words, like I don't have watery eyes, or my cough doesn't hurt or my throat isn't so sore that you know, what? I mean, like, I'm not at that stage. So I'm okay. So far. I hope not I am wanna jinx myself. I just hope not okay. Yeah. All right today. We are gonna talk to David Feldman. He is the president of bare knuckle fighting championship. He actually pumped into our studio about. Six weeks ago when Chris Lytle was here and Polly Molly analogy was here and he popped on for like two minutes. Didn't mean any disrespect. I wasn't expecting them. And the shows just pop in that day. And but I figured hey, let's get this guy on because we had had him on before. But never in studio and was face it. The sport of bare knuckle is is doing well, there's three promotions that at least I know of and once I figured out. Okay. That one's in the UK. This is that one this is that one. What I've noticed is that this is the one that seems to be having the like flourishing, especially here. Stateside and. The one in Cancun's done. Okay. Cool. Here comes the next one. You know what I mean? And today, the they had some big news with them signing Polly and Molly nauseam. I wonder goes if that meeting that took place in our studio had anything to do with just think it had to have. I think so too. You know, and so we'll we'll see if we can if he brings it up or we just get around flat out asking them. I mean, it's not like we're asking for a cut or nothing poly wasn't by percent now. No, we're not a couple of wings back and forth. A couple pats on the shoulder. Right. Yeah. It would just make me happy man for people to connect, you know, and it happens here, then that's awesome. So he'll be on towards the end of the show. David Feldman, president of be KFC. And we'll talk about that signing. Polly my analogy, we'll talk about the rumors of who might be a future opponent. Artem lava and. We'll we'll preview that event. Or at least the next event. That's coming up. Now before then we'll discuss a lot of EMMY news. And even though I think we're done with UFC two thirty five if any of you wanna reflect on it that's fine with me because it was a great card and still been talking about it with my with my Buddy's house at extreme couture. Details at the CPI today. And and. There's that's still a little bit of the chatter. Also this week. You'll see Wichita is on Saturday with J D S junior to Santoro's former U of heavyweight champion against Derrick Lewis, former title challenger. We'll he'll always be a title challenge. But meaning on this specific ninety challenge Daniel Korea November of this past year. And now, he's a key. I I should say he's a contender. He he's he was a title challenger came up short and his title fight took some time off over the holidays. And now he's got a major fight against junior dishonest with a race when I got out of my meeting goes over there. It was quick Derek Lewis name popped up like that picture of this big smile. He has one of the best on my phone on a majority. He's not smiling. Here. Not they're not the story about those smile. He's always a he's a teddy bear. But here's in the history fighters, don't really call me. The text me in the history of fighters calling me nine hundred ten times, it's bad. Really? Yeah. I mean, unless we're like at fort used this or Langley air base and somebody's going where are we meeting again? You know, like like if I'm there with their with favor favorite calls, and it's probably like where you guys at or what time would we meeting that? I get but just random out of nowhere on my. Oh boy. Here we go. He did not like something someone said or wrote or who knows what? So I hit that the best thing to do man is don't run from it just hit that dial button. And people been tripping on me lately. But so here we go. I mean right away. This is not a good one. Right. I mean, it's like if he's managing. That's not a good figure Lewis. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hell, no. I would not be a good feeling. So I call them. And luckily, it was just the but dial except it was the, bud. Dial on apple watch. And by the way, what does six foot four black dude one of the bad guys on the planet from the mean streets of Houston doing with an apple watch just change the band, though, could have had a little bit more gangster story than that one. So it wasn't even the, but he he's came across me. And so I was like an apple watch any kind of her her laugh. I was going to try and use that in parliament and just get him on the show for five minutes. But I know that our guys did a did something with them that my phone sorry. And our guys did something with them out there and Thursday's the day where you really just leave them alone. Because now that the fighters way in Friday morning, they're cut starts around this time just like before when they weighed in at four pm local time, they're cuts were a lot of them with the sonnet five AM eight AM until they were ready to go by like one or two and then hustle lowered the arena. So now things start a little bit earlier. Because he's still wanna get your proper sleep. Maybe I blew it. Who knows maybe we could I could have gotten five ten minutes. You might have scored some points. So you're right. We we have a lot of coverage so far. So I think you did good on this one. Thank you. You know, who's? But dialed me before who Jake shields. No bullshit for about. Price six months, but they'll me every day go really every day. I don't know if it was like a glitch on his phone, but every day I'd see my phone. Look Jake to pick it up and add a rule, if the person doesn't say anything by the ten second you have to hang up. That's the rule then you know, what the but dial. If you're listening in for too long now your dick, right? You just go. Hey, man. I think he bought dial me about what happened every day. Did you ever ask them why? I just told them this is what's going on. He's like, oh, my bad. It was just happening in the next day. Really only like twice he went, wait a minute. Like, you hear them like look at us phone or something like that? And go fuck on anything up. But I just kept happening. It was like a glitch on his phone. I wonder why. Probably his favorites or something VIP's. Yeah. Those probably so so we have the our guest, David Feldman. He's he's towards the end. So we're going to go over some news. We'll talk about the Wichita card with Lewis and J D S call in give you give your predictions because we have today and tomorrow show. And then that's it. Tell who you're thinking about betton or fantasy fighting or just cheering for eight seven seven fight ninety three eight seven seven three four four four eight nine three. We'd love to hear from you JD S or Derek Lewis. Look, if you're not even a hardcore fan, you gotta know that match those guys have put in some time in the sport. So that's one where you can go. Okay. I've always wanted to call in to the guys and talk that's an easy one. Hey, this is who I think's going to win. This is my prediction first round knockout, whatever eight seven seven fighting ninety three or eight seven. Seven three four four four eight nine three. Remember, the whole first three fourths of the show is wide open. So we'll also go over some of the latest news do our daily debate. And. Take halls. So. Fire away. All right. What I want to start off with is McGregor and Sironi. That fight a few months ago was one Dana was talking about you know, and. Sironi every time he fights. There really is something to it. In terms of fights, never suck win or lose. He fights so often that you can just Param up with anyone anybody that's coming off a layoff or anybody that has buzz or any fights in multiple divisions. And. Like, I say his frequency of fights puts them in a situation where you can't say, no man homeboys, not fighting to lock Tober. No. I mean cowboy versus so. And so in April. Yeah. He'd be ready to roll cowboy. Where's so? And so and may be ready to roll international fight week at welterweight. Yeah. I mean, he's always ready to roll. So when Dame it when you get to the point where dean is even warm to I'm thinking, okay that things happen. And then I started thinking by buying eight years. It ain't you and I feel like he blew it. And at least it was telling me that Habib really isn't fighting till the one years is not his suspension, but his teammates suspension is up. And you see what I'm saying? So I thought okay, then it sounds like he's in the running here for the Conor McGregor secrecy. Look cow was going to get paid the same. Either believe some of them are able to negotiate a little bit different when it comes to McGregor. But it's not like he gets paper viewpoints or anything. Cowboys just loves the fight in those two have bickered before on those the com- seasonal hash. Tag press conferences. I don't know if that makes sense. But when they bring. All of the stuff. Correct. When they bring it in all of the athletes. So like this past Saturday was UC to thirty five and they actually had a mini press conference for the main guys at UC to thirty six, but what they used to do was bring in all of the main events for the spring of two thousand nineteen early summer, and they'd have them all sitting up there. If you'll recall, the one that always stands out is red Pani night when you had the little interaction with RDA who to food is this guy would Jeremy Stevens, exactly and. He's I remember cowboy saying it's the same line. He's used it on others. But he said, yeah, he's all chummy in the bag. But when he gets out here, he's talking, you know, popping off, and so the cards usually. Ooh. So that one simmered for a little while. And I thought oh man dean is on this Connor wants to fight. That's always a great thing. Cowboys always done a fight. That's been a great thing. Let's do this. Well, guess what it probably? Is not going to happen now in for in my opinion. What appears to be the dumbest reason ever. It's not that one guy has is just over it. It doesn't appear to even be a money issue or timing issue. It's just that. Neither one hold the title. And I guess the won't we'll do it as a combing event. Now does the main of it? Could Connor just get over that? And not be the last man to walk out on a particular night. I would hope so but. Who knows man there is something to it though. A little bit right? What's there to a little? There's a reason why musical acts are like that. Right. Certain people. I'm not gonna come out before that guy that sort of thing like people do kind of look at that. If you don't really know too much and think, oh, he must not be as important as the next two that are coming up. There's a little bit of status to it. But when you wanna make paper yet make paper right in hell now, I gotta prepare for three rounds or since five that sound too bad either. I didn't think of that. Did not think of that. Well, the UCS really wants to have title-fights be all of their main events. And so with neither guy holding title. And what you you've seen that wanting to to you know, break in the one sixty five pound class. There's just no way around it. But I'm taking Connor side. Actually. I mean, I would prefer to just go Connor can't you can walk out, you know, or or be the second of the last fight, bro. Just get this gone. But that said, I'm I would before I did that I would go to the UCLA go can't you just make them the main event, and I would spend more time with that one. Because that is a main event Conner's main event anywhere. You see what I'm saying? Like, there's no way around it. And. If it's in the new contract, and it's part of the news beginner, and they just go. We just can't do it. Then I'd go to Konaga candidates. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? But I would start by going come on. You have see this. This is your dude, you know, this is like Dana White's always call him a unicorn this is the one that the the one that you just kinda do things out of the norm for you just shift things around here. And there you've done it in the past. Why stop now, but get them the damn fight. It would be tremendous. But yeah, that's that's why that fights possibly falling apart. I mean, even if he finds he'll be he's a walkout last, technically the champ walks. He walked out lasting and said he offers. He was challenging Eddie hours. He was coming up as the featherweight champion. But his title wasn't on the line. This way left it at home in the Tyrone woodley's belt do the to do the two belt. Pose? Any came out. We all got over. And you got over it. I think you know. Against floyd. He was the b side. Sorry, but he was Floyd came out last. I don't know. I just to me. It just seems like we're all adults here figure that out get that fight going. I mean, we're all pulling up real deason narrow. I think real would have an amazing time with that fight. I wonder if I wonder if they are actually planning it for real you'll starting to stack up, by the way, you want to see Connor you wanna see cowboy you wanna see him fight to that. 'cause I kinda got over it quickly. And I just moved onto the next thing. But then when Dana even tease, maybe ally Quinta dancer Oni, I got over it, really fast. I was like that's a great match of two three four go don't wanna see all three. That's for sure. But I just want Connor to fight. But I don't want to. I don't want him to fight for a world title. Because I don't think he deserves a remand. But even if he does, you know, you'll know I accept it. I always do I can't change it. But my preference is for just Conard of. I think Conor his fights. Dude. I'm telling you something. Fight week with Conor McGregor is just so is something else, man. It's pretty damn special. Whether it's the press conference, whether it's the legion of fans that he brings to the table, the buzz around town here in Vegas. It's like no other and he's not gonna fight forever. So we might as well do it while he's kind of this hot commodity and wants to fight and he's already had a second kid and things are just a little bit different. Now. He's more secure. I mean. Hell, I don't even think it matters as much the wins and losses, but I just love a Dudek and talk smack. But then when the fight comes and the wages charges out like he's coming to take your head off. Or if you get him you get him. I love it. I the, but you got to win Becky that up. You're right. But it's it's a style. He's not backing down from it. And you don't know how many times I hear you're talking a lot of shit comes out night. The we'll see who's the one back, and we'll see we'll see how anxious you are to get down. And then you see a lot of guys come out thing. And they just take a step or two. I'm there already playing chess. You know, Conners like let me add them that me, Adam. You know what I mean? And I've always dug that because even if it's four moment even in the fight said, he's lost. Even if it's for a moment the other guys like oh shit. This guy's actually everything. He's saying comes true. You know, what do I do again? And then they turn the tables and figure it out or or they get their ass kicked or whatever. But he. He comes to. He comes the fight, dude. And. You know, I love all the texts being exchanged and Twitter and dad's into you know, casual fans or kick. Know casual fans are into. I it's it's like it's like the thing other, you know, in our sport. Yeah. I mean, look if you were to fight he'll be I would imagine you're gonna take a beep in that fight. Right. Yeah. Because I've seen it before. And I don't think Conor can stop that take them. So let's say he loses that right, right? What does he have left at this point? Because now, I think you'll be DS children even dummies are going to sit there and go are right. He's talking to a lot of smack. But he's not really backing it up people lose interest. Right. But you're right. That made the as by is what kind of hangs in the balance, but Nate is difficult to work with and he's also gonna know that so and he didn't make it happen for this by I don't see him making it work later on. I think he's going to be even harder to deal with. There's different ways that you could let Conor McGregor career Connor were to fight cowboy. I think he has a better chance at winning that fight. And if he did it's a little bit of a placeholder, but Cowboys career has had a little bit of a resurgence where I think. You give him some credit for that. Like that's tough win. So then that could possibly set up a Hobie fight, which again, the fallback is always need. But how long are we going to sit there and go around eight years is still around like the guy doesn't fight? Well at some point. We're not going to give a shit, right? But when the fight cabin people will give shit, but you're right. We stopped talking about it less and less unless 'cause he'll develop a rivalry with somebody else. I hear you. There Nate Diaz did chime in on Twitter. He says you acting like you came back, then he put the little shamrock or clover. Whatever then he goes in real life. You're dead. Then there's a ghost. Either I'm out of the loop here, or sometimes I just don't pick up on some of this creativity or whatever. But what does that mean you act like you came back and realize you're dead? Why is he dead probably because he's blouse those two fights. I mean, he's got less losses than NATO lately. I guess okay. So, but of course, tons of love tons of re tweets tons of responses. So that that that's just always there. We're we just passed the anniversary of that fight three years ago. It was their first fight in that was a couple of days ago. So I it's been on everybody's tongue. And I I don't know what's going to happen. But I I hope if I hope that fight happened. The hopes are only happens whatever I think Conor is starting. I think I think Conor is going to get away from I'm one of the greatest ever he accom. He's the greatest pay-per-view star ever. He's the greatest trash talker ever. He's a pioneer. In terms of elevating salaries and brand awareness. And you know, what like I said what he's done has been pretty special. You always can hang out on that. And to guide them world titles, man. That's that's an awesome accomplishment. He doesn't have to do anything else ever. Again. He's already hall of Famer. But the goat talk we'll have to seize because he's had a couple of those losses. So if he can offend a Bill if he just forgets about all that and just has these classics makes a ton of money and just house these classics. I think he'll be fine in. Here's why because he loves the fight. You see what I'm saying? So I stick mattered. But now that he's a, multimillionaire and has trillions of followers. I don't think it mad the wins and losses matter as much anymore. He's very smart. And I hope he listens to what you're saying. Because at some point if he does transitioned to what you're saying. And he just says, I'm just a bad motherfucker. Don't Sironi people will remember that. If you look at the great in boxing. How many are undefeated? Right. Exactly. But the ones that we love where the ones that went out and fought everyone, and we kind of forget about some of those losses because we remember how great they were in their wins. The reason why I don't give a shit about that tweet that Nate Diaz put out I love ninety s I love Conor McGregor. But I don't give shit about that. And I'll tell you why they fucked up more. So Nate at the end of that first fight they hug, the embrace the shake hands. That was his his moment to take it to Connor not shake his hand we argued for. I don't know how long in the build up to the fight. I'm going to leave it at that. Because I'm stir. Ooh. And all and yet. Yeah. But the second they did that I was kind of like all right? What was all that build up for them? Right. And I think even after the second one they did this. Agreed. But I think they still shook hands you can't go back and forth. Right. You can't be a part time. Gangster you're either in or you're out so him now popping up because afterwards during at the end of the fight they were kinda respectful, right? I mean that the grace of friends but somewhat respectful, but then Connor turned it on again like a couple of weeks later, and it all started up again, he lost his opportunity. He should have just took it to Connor from the moment. You know, what I said the other day? All right IB. You beat me wouldn't yours. I finished you and yours. The judge told you you were the winner. Right. And he still has the upper hand there. I don't know man knows. But the more and more of this less than less. I'm starting to care. I think you get your head rattled around so much. You almost forget what you were going to say. You know what I mean? And you just. You just are. How can I put it to you? You're not thinking clearly. I bet you there's a ton of fighters effort who they were gonna call out you ever see them do that last minute grow grab of the fault, the microphone want to dedicate this to so. And so or whatever they're they're just not thinking, and I think part of to do with. These fights take you to the deepest most furthest removals from real life, and it's actual life or death that at the end is probably respect. You're probably glad it's over. You're probably on a high and a low because you're feeling physically is as worse as possible on a high because you know, you may feel like you're the winner or you got through it or whatever you maybe. Yeah, you're not you don't have a serious injury. So, but but but you're right. I mean Rhonda was cognizant enough to shush, Sean, Misha's handshake, Ben aspirin. You know? He actually said Dane ain't got an eating better. I'm talking split. Second. How can it out with? Right. Cock, man. You was they were so respectful. It's over than eighteen don't you get anyone better. I remember thinking. Oh, my God you went there. All right, cool. But I hear what you're saying. And I and there is some truth to that. I mean, they were just in wars right now. But that's why you pay the numb nuts told him the monster energy, drink the tanning you that fixing your shirt, number two, San scripts. To do. This. Don't forget to this person. Well, somebody echoed something. We've said a long time ago, you see if you can remember. But I think it was toys it Duke who would the coaches recently may have been coach Mark Montera. But he felt like there's three different types of people. We was in that for a long time fighters athletes and martial artists. He said fighters athletes, and he didn't say martial arts. He said something I think it competitors. But it was about the same thing. And it could be that that the martial arts. Just that they won't do that. You know what I mean? I think they're gangster it up enough just to build up the fights. But when the end is over that's something. That's ingrained. I'm sure you're since a Bruce lemur shot out to him former Saint PD former Kobe Bryant personal bodyguard. I'm sure there's boxing a lot of those lessons that he probably told you that if you had continued maybe would've stayed with you so much that you would have probably did it out of respect to him. Or or what you learn? You know what I mean? Yeah. So all right. So right now that fight is delayed. We'll say or it's on the shelf or it's not it's not not happening. But for now, it's not just it's not as hot as it was at one point. All right. So when we come back, we're going to discuss paulie, Malia Nashi signing with their knuckle fighting championship. We got our daily debate. And we'd love to take your call eight seven seven three eight seven seven three four four four nine three. So don't touch that. Dial stay with us. Champion hall of famers legend, the very best coverage of the fake games right here on Sirius XM's fight nation channel ninety three. While blah, blah here. Those two dummies Georgia goes. Then we'll be network radio spring training toward continues. Tonight at nine eastern is Jim Duquette and John Morrissey. Visit the Tampa Bay rays camp. Here interviews with manager Kevin cash general manager, Eric and the ender and more only on MLB network radio series tool. Nine x eighty nine hundred streaming on your phone and at home on Sirius XM connected devices and speakers. All right goes tell everybody about the time we stole king mos- built because I forgot it. But I remembered that took place what used to be called raffles here Mandalay bay, right? Yeah. He came to do the show. And there were a lot of junkies in town and not you know. Junkies. And we told me, you know, if you're gonna you're gonna come in the studio bringing the belt, so he goes, he goes that things heavy man. And for those of you have never held an actual championship Bill. It is kind of heavy. So he's like all right. I'll just throw in my backpack. Seattle backpack. He comes he has the bell after the show. People take pictures with the bell. Goes you guys want to get lunch? So I think Marla minoa was with us too. So we all go to this cafe and he pulls out the bell. So we can continue take pictures and play with it and stuff and at one point when he went to the restroom George goes. Hey, watch this. And he goes, let's steal the Bill because he had. So he grabs the bell and sticks it in somebody else's backpack. And we were like, well, what's he gonna he's going to know that it's gone. You know, it's kinda heavy. So then George took some plates, and he stuck them inside king MOS backpack. And so king mo-, I mean, I think it was like ten or fifteen minutes after this happened. And we might have dislike for. Gotten about it a little bit like that. I all of us were kind of watching wait and wait. And I think we just kind of got over it. And so king mo- got about almost like the tram before he text us that he was y'all dumb dog cone back. It was like three plates three or two plates that he had in the back in his land cut. Yeah. We're just walking around with the strikeforce title. And so then he came back. You gotta time. He's always a good sport. But yeah, we still offered to pay for lunch athletes are so entitled that they just sit there and a lot of them not all hate to see all because not true. They'll just sit there like, yeah. Which one are you fooled is picking up my lunch. You're in my presence, chemo's not like them. He offered to pay for everyone's and I go, no, man. We're all good like everyone will just pay for them. So you don't have to do that. Because I got I got you guys and. But he. You know, we all want up just taking care of our own or whatever. But that's just the type of guy. He he is this isn't the king most segment or anything, but even DC said on our show chemo once paid for his rent when things were tough for Daniel Cormie, and and I shared the story about the same. When I tore up my knee. He was one of the guys that called me and told me, hey, man, if you need any money, let me know because he was talking to me about knee injuries. And I told him how I for me. It was get it done as quickly as possible. But because of that I had to go the cash route. And then the rehab cost what he offered them that mental lot. So I know he gets shit on a lot because he is a smack talker. He'll he'll attack the fan. But the do couldn't be a nicer fellow, man. All right. So talked about bare knuckle fighting championship prior to the break, and they had the big news today, they signed Polly Malaya nosy and goes on I are going to be chomping at the bit for another hour when David Feldman the president of bare knuckle fighting championship joins us. But I'm wondering if what spurned that was Polly, my Najji was here. Showtime, boxing, wasn't home. And jumbo. Josh told us he could make Polly Molly analogy come to our studio. You know, you could ask them to communicate. Well, fuck out. We'll take that one. So Molly analogy hung out with us. Chris Lytle giving me a late minute Texas well ham in town. We just spent some time with them with the military base. Kuku come in in Chris brought David Feldman, and it was a fun show. We had a blast. Polly was talking some smack. They were all there. You know, it was kind of like a little panel. But in the end, I think it was off camera. After the handshakes and the gangster pigs and keeping touches and all that shit. I could've sworn a thought David said something along the line. You know, or I think I kept pushing Paul you retired. Or who knows what? And I remember somebody said bare knuckle and love the have you. I think something like that. Yeah. I think paulie said, but you know, Polly was in this mode of you gotta pay me because we were talking Connor. And so he was just a little bit in business mode. And I just I didn't really think that that could happen. Just because the boxers seem to want to stick with boxing. I guess and here we are months later, and it did happen, man. Now, the low ball fight with Jason night is happening, by the way. Now Lobov off could be a potential opponent down the road. And that's Conor McGregor is probably his best friend. I think I know he's a teammate and they've been friends for a long time, but he could just overall his best friend. So. So I imagine Connor will be tuned into that fight. I imagine it could lead to something with Pauline up. Montage and Conor McGregor at some point win or lose. However that turns out in the boxing world or. Yeah. In the boxing world because I think that's where that that would happen. But first of all Artem lobe offers Jason Knight that takes place on April sixth at KFC five. But down the road. You're never know. Man Lobov's is my analogy. I got imagine they'll they'll they'll be strongly considered. Definitely I mean. I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lobov signing had some sort of tied all that. Because this is a while back ago. What was it like two months ago that all this went down could've just all been part of one big plan. And if it is kudos to our boy because. That's one hell of a master-plan. Yeah. You former U of C heavyweight chase Sherman. He's on the car and former U of C tough one veteran and longtime Italy contender Chris LeBron's on the card. Former UFC bantamweight Johnny Bedford's on the card Isaac valley. Flag is on the card longtime MMA fighter. Can't remember off the top. He he didn't make it to the. That's right. But it looks like the main event is a low obverse Jason night. So we'll we'll put that to the side a little bit. But that's what we plan on talking to David Feldman in the second hour about that massive signing, man. Paulie million bareknuckle. How about that? You know, even like in this fight, by the way night and low ball. Nearly prediction. I mean night is the type of guy that will just keep coming. No matter. What I early prediction. I think I'd go lobe off. But if it were an enemy fight, I think I might swing a little bit more towards night. How about you know, I think I'm in the same boat. I think I'm in the same boat. Neither just going to be throwing hand. That's it. You don't even kick. They don't kick. They don't mean. Nothing like that. All right. So let's go to the phone lines right now. And if you wanna follow this year, who whoever it might be I really don't know who it is. But my money's on the fact that it's more than likely a who eight seven seven fight ninety three eight seven seven three four four four hundred who who do we have John from Tampa? What I tell you. What's up, John? How you do you? First time call that's not very nice. You guys have been like my number. I thought you site for years. I thought you were John Charleston. I'm sorry. That's the who. I was thinking about John from town. But what's up, buddy? That I switch switch gears on you guys. But I just want to talk about this TV. I saw Dirk Lewis made it that coming up around. I I see Jill. Yes. Picking him apart to the entire fight. And I'll tell you what. Derek Lewis was about twenty five seconds away from probably being cut from the UFC with the fight with Volkov after the gonna fight. He like, I literally I couldn't believe what I was watching when he pulled it off. Then they'll get the time of shot. He literally went from being cut to being in a title fight with with one punch, and I just don't think he's improved to a point where he can hang. And I think ADS is is back near the top watts a crack at the title, and he's just gonna be too quick. And he's not gonna get caught by one of those big haymakers. I literally see him just boxing him. Yeah. I mean, we've kind of actually had to break down this fight for somebody that randomly walked in here earlier, and there's so many ways of breaking down. But you're right. I think technically technical wise J D S is far superior. Okay. But the thing about J D S is just about in every fight. He's willing to take a few to give one. And this is the wrong due to do that with. Right. So it just depends on how much how good JD is defense can be in this fight. If he can move around a little bit tired Derek out a little bit. But you're right. If he sticks to the best JD S should beat the best Eric Lewis. I think all right. So this is this. But I picked I picked Derek loose on the fight. Right. This is the problem with with MMA, and especially in the heavyweight division it. These fighters are very technical in many martial arts and sports. They didn't come mixed. Martial arts. However, they're not really really like experts. And by that I mean right now, we're talking about hands mostly right guys. Derg Lewis kicks a little bit more than J D S, and it's mostly to the body in the head. I was a little bit more of a calf kicker. Yeah. Exactly. So. JD has has more of a technician agree with John agree with goes, but they're four ounce gloves. And as the enemy fight goes on from second number one in round number one all the way to round two and three the fighters. Become a lot less technical. And it starts the go starts to evaporate fast because of the damage, they take from elbows, and knees and punches and the four ounce gloves all that stuff. So. That. That's why start to lean towards J D S R. I beg your pardon Derek Lewis because Derek Lewis is power. Can he even if you block his punches he seems to a lot of that seems to get through and he's able to explode even in the later rounds when he's tired his explosions are still more powerful than a lot of the other fighters that are out there. Now J D S was also taking some hard shots against tight. We've also remember that John it wasn't like he cleaned his clock from beginning to end. I mean, he was also on the verge of of being out. He's taking a lot of damage over the years. Luckily, he he came through. And now he's got to fight win streak. He's won three of his last four. And if he gets past Derek Lewis, he can really really be involved in title talk. Let's also not forget that he's one in one against me to two I know doesn't hold a belt, but still that's just a key guy to to be one on one against. So I I would say that tech. Technically. I agree. I agree with what you're saying. I think he he is more technical than than Derek Lewis put. But like I say, it's just a sport that gets sloppy. As the fight goes is the damage is being taken in. And and that's why I think this'll be a. Two dogs in an alley. You know? It's just going to be a dirty grimy fight. And as it wears on I favor Derek Lewis. So we'll see I would love for one or the other just to put it in their head. I don't wanna see grappling match per se not what these two, but I would like to see one or the other teas that are threatened that a little bit just to keep the other one back on his toes a little bit. Because. You know, that's one way to stop the other guy. I don't disagree with anything. Either. Your said, I really think the extract is gonna come down to the footwork and the quickness, and I just say J D S is gonna be he's not gonna be there. When Lewis is throwing the punches. And if he keeps the distance, you know, I think that that that quickness and the footwork is going to be the x factor, but that's a lot. Appreciate it. You're you're right. Awesome. Awesome. He was I got it wrong. If he can do a lot of that pivoting. Then when Derek MRs wild, he'll be in good positions to counter or just engage again. But a lotta times when J D S does move side to side lateral feet. Derek has great reach he'll extend and he'll catch you can catch with the kick or he'll catch with my just knowing his. His cross, you know, so. We'll see that's why they fight, you know, no other way to put it. Right. I think we have one more break to take. Do we do? Let's do that. And when we come back, we'll do our daily debate because it has to do with this topic of bare knuckle fighting championships will stay closed don't touch that. Dial. It's ever make junkie radio on fire nation Chelny three. Brothers Garcia seeming. Recanted greed, gone. A everybody knows it's duck season product season duck season season. Whether it's who that's really great. Let's spelling place. Great gambling, always bet on black red black reading Pluk black, dummy even social media, Instagram, Snapchat, Instagram, Snapchat, the same applies to the biggest stories time for everyday junkie radio's galley debate. Today's hashtag daily debate question for MMA junkie radio. How interested are you in the proposed bare knuckle boxing fight between poly, Malia Nause and Artem Lobov. Here are your choices very interested mildly interested I'd watch it for free or no interest at all goes, very interested. So interested that I actually wear my bare knuckle gloves today. George nuts. How excited I am dude? I love those type of things where there's a little bit of heat, especially with a guy like paulie Molin Ozzy still animated like those are the type. That's when you knew you get the best poli is when when there's a little fire in it. Right. So I love that matchup. I totally down for it. And who knows maybe it goes on branches off into other things, we don't know. But I would be very excited for that match up. Yeah. I'm I'm between mildly interested and varying interested because I want to see how they in Iraq. If they can take the baton from how Connery paulie of gone back and forth. Oh, considering me, very interested. They will. But if they both like like if Artem plays the card and goes, well, that's my main business. You know? I'm just here to beat his ass and whatever. All right, cool. I'm still going to watch it no way around that interested is the key word, I'm interested. But it would really put it over the top. If them to can have that type of heat. You know what I mean? And now with you, and I see no scenario where they're not just any others face from the get go. I think at all bridge over and watch him play chess, dude. Just because I know they're gonna talk smack him on is. He's a great smack talk. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's more than likely the way it's gonna go down. Now, remember bare knuckle fighting to sign them today and Paulina, Molly, nausea, already gauged interest. Or at least said that that's a fight that could happen. But bare knuckle fighting championship five already has a fight card on April six featuring Artem Lobov and Jason nights. So remember, I would imagine in. This is a great question for promoter. David Feldman president David Kelvin, excuse me, a bareknuckle fighting championship. We got guest the words you're on the shell does that fight probably happen, regardless. But I would imagine it just it would be a lot more attractive Artem beats Jason night. And then either Malia analogy comes into the ring or things take off from there. You know, think of all the subplots though, if that matchup is made does Connor show up and watch that that's what we are seeing. We are seeing right has in the past. And if he does can those to even be in the vicinity of each other without them talking smack could Polly be talking smack the Connor as he's fighting Artem there's so many things that could happen, dude. I'm all about it. Make it happen. I think it will. So this is the way boil down over one thousand one hundred votes came in and thirty two percents it I'd watch it for free. So that means there's interest there. Now, some good promotion and a little bit of good smack talk from the fighters. I think get those thirty two percent to graduate into these next two which is interested. Mildly or very, but thirty two percents. I'd watch it for free in second place was no interest at all twenty seven percent. All right. Do you think twenty five percents at very interested and sixteen percents mildly interested, but what that's still tells me is for what's that forty one? Seventy three percent are going to watch this fight out of that one thousand that we serve eight at least that's a good thing. I think for bare knuckle fight Egypt. So there have there's today's these daily rate brought to you by the enemy junkie radio team. Big shout out to our guy, Abby who helps produce those. These videos sometimes guy, can you Hathaway abbey's been more direct with this lately. And don't forget to watch 'em junkie radio. Monday through Friday, eight eastern five PM Pacific catch us on Sirius XM fight nation Chelny three. All right. In the second hour of the show. We are going to be talking to David Feldman, the president of bare knuckle fighting championship, but we still have time to take your calls, and you can tell us a little bit about. Junior Santoro's versus Derek Lewis. And also, there's a real cool main event. A Lizzie no Lizzy. Oh, I don't know allies. The Leschi does santarpio's versus Curtis Melander. These are two great strikers than this event is going to be awesome. And got some breaking news for you you and Josh ready for this one. What's your be tour? Belford says Roy Jones has agreed to a one championship fight. Really? Yeah. Roy don't was just on our channel was talking about how it interests. But even at that point, it seemed like he didn't really know the rules to well. But this is another man that that's what the official announcement. But how about one championship? You know, a few weeks ago, we're seeing how about them PF L guys ESPN look at them months before that bell tower had made an announcement. One championship. You know, they made a splash last year. And they're continuing what the splash return, Belfair. I'll catch me up. If you didn't know. So the Johnson, you know, that already happened to me just Johnson's already over there Eddie hours already over there. But they did sign we should take his VP she'll be leaving Vegas and heading to Singapore soon. And now Vitor Belfort was signed as well. And it looks like Roy Jones junior. You know, there might be some interest in the fight. And that's what we talked about is. It's not official announcement from one championship or Roy Jones. That's what Belford Saint he's saying. Roy Jones junior has agreed to one championship fight. I would watch it. I watched that too. I would watch it. Yeah. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. All right. Let's take this caller here who got got Kevin in Chicago. So Kevin how you doing? What's up? So I just wanna talk about Cody garment real quick. Because a lot of people are saying all we got emotional. You got emotional. He wasn't off his game. But a lot of the reason I'm thinking motion. I think it was desperation is you see page moon, slamming that leg, and it was lead. Like, there's no way he was going to be able to keep keep standing for three rounds. Like that man. I think he was he knew man, I gotta get this guy out of there. I'm not I'm not liking these like kicks. I'm about to go for broke put it on the mind because there's no way I'm about to hang in there while the student trying to chop my leg down. There was my first point. My second point is Woodley and use men a lot of you are so surprised by the victory. Like, oh, my can you believe how bad he looked? And might take was if he doesn't knock him out in the first round it's going to be a long night. And that's that's why that's the way. I saw. I said Woodley puts he likes to put his back against the cage. He likes to rely on his power doesn't have good cardio. He's either gonna knock them out early or. He's going to be in for a long night at the way, he fought. That's my takes which you guys thoughts on that. All right. I one I also thought that if Woodley could knock who's Mont around a little bit with the hands in round one. It would it would definitely help things out because I felt like who's mon- one round one. And that he had the ability to possibly wreck replicate the same type of formula over over five rounds 'cause he's got endless cardio and just great great great pressure game. So I was I was when that didn't happen. I thought oh here we go. And I thought round two was key for Woodley. And it didn't happen again by then I could tell he just kind of had a mental block. And it just wasn't going to happen. Going back to Garbrandt Garbrandt thought what you thought Kevin. And that's ooh. Those leg kicks hurt and I need to do some. But when he was trying to finish him. He wasn't thinking that he was thinking I just fucked you up on about the finishes, and it didn't happen because windows through some great counters caught them. And then he was able to come in and finish them where I think Garbrandt mistake was was had. He just taken his time as Muna's was damaged. I think he could have maybe went in there had another firefighter to and probably finished them that way. But with careful and precise strikes are thanks for the call. Kevin you the man eight seven seven five ninety three right now. I'm gonna take a sixty second break. We'll be right back. Harry, buddy. Thanks for listening to them. I may junkie radio. I want to take this time to let you know about our producer Danny show. It's called popping off and at airs live twice a week. Wednesdays nine pm eastern, six PM Pacific and Thursdays. Eight pm eastern five PM Pacific. You can find the show. If you missed the live show, you can find the recording on itunes Spotify or YouTube the following day. Check it out. It's a lot of fun, and you get to see a little bit more of our producer Danny's personality and my phone just rang in the background Salter deepen. Popping off doing with us in studio. We have Tom Paine from Walking Dead. You got real socked in the bay. I mean, the show is very very you thinks it's very like rough house e and new stunt men hanging around everyone on the show just jumps in and gets involved. And that was my rude awakening to the show being chased around the field by Newman and then him grabbing me and touching me in the face. As a saying that everyone is when they first join which is to the Walking Dead, and this it was set in this kind of like, you're just doing a Colt. Welcome to watch live on the YouTube stream. Who's gonna get tired? Issue. Oh my goodness. Season. Easy to seize were forged from the same bowl sack. But act as though they've never met. They are the brothers Garcia gorgeous towards and goes. You agree with the Joe Rogan? And what he was saying. There was a crazy crazy decision by Garbrandt. It say was a risky decision to go in there. I think crazy because that was the one thing that we all said in the breakdowns of this fight for him not to get caught up not to get emotional. Maybe seek Muna's doesn't really struck me as a KO artist window strikes me more as a as a guy that has an all around game and can beat you by chopping you down for many many ways unless he's on the ground on the ground. He's pretty vicious, but otherwise is striking arsenal is just one where it's with fall ume and. But he does keep getting better. I'll give them that. So. Garbrandt is heavy handed. He's very polish with his boxing. And that's just he's an animal, man. He goes after you. So look, I'm not nitpicking. That's for sure I just felt like he was just it was risky. But I didn't think it was crazy per se because that's how he got to the point where he got caught is by. Attacking Garbrandt and catching them wobbling him. So now, it was just he could have been a little bit more surgical in his finish of Pedro millions. I love that word because for me, I think one of cody's best performances where he was surgical was dominant crews, and I think if he fought fights more like that things would go better for him. Yeah. Well. This is not the only problem cody's is having. Well, I wouldn't say it's a problem per se. But. Starting with Kevin's call and talking about Cody Garbrandt, we were going to go that direction. Anyway. Justin, buckles, the former head coach over at team alpha male. I saw little interaction between him and. Chris holdsworth? Remember him? Former winner of Tom former tough enough stood for more Vegas local. And. I it was unfortunate because that was such a tight team in a saw them kind of going back and forth. I I think it all had to do with the fight motion. And the fight motion the same one that has, you know, Tyrone woodley's bomb consoling. Lose one. Not so much consoling about I didn't congratulating which is being there like half-and-half. Yeah. A little bit because it was just breaking down man that was a huge huge moment for him. And that same video that you could tell Danny Custodio who I believe has become one of the main coaches are they're always real careful and calling themselves carried coaches, but he was there. So it was Chris goal Holdsworth. And you could see Danny Custodio is very very. Concerned pissed off that Cody is engaging. In the type of fight where he's finishing them and not being surgical. You know, what I mean, he's being a little reckless little careless whatever. And I think it all started there and Justin buckles time, Dan. So they went back and forth. And I thought oh man like guys at one point. You guys broke Brad at one point you guys broke down film together cheered together cried together. You know what I mean like? I I've always thought that a lot of these things that went down between certain athletes and team Malfa mail was just because. The figurehead your favourite was usually involved was usually favor and Ludwig favor and dillashaw favor and crews, and I thought here it was going to be probably just favor and buckles. Couldn't come to an agreement. Couldn't figure it out whatever. But I saw the other thing going on. I just thought oh, man. There's enough. There's enough out there for everybody. You are all very very talented individuals. And. But it doesn't look like it's going to go that way. So we have some audio here. From Justin Buchholz on TSN may show. I cut has do with the UC being behind Cody, and maybe even hand pick picking his opponent, so here cut number one, please Josh you gotta take into account you. I mean, the promotions behind Cody they back is every move and they wanted to exceed Pedro couldn't wrestle him and Pedro's usually his best path is those the trademark guy guillotine chokes. So I think that they thought he matched up with them basically favorably everywhere what he was hand. Picked Mooney us with an expert cody's comeback date. They looked at the top. I mean this. I'm I know he was handpicked, but I'm assuming they looked at the top ten and said, oh, let's take this guy. He gets hit by the kitchen thing if Cody hits and you're going to go to sleep. You know, what I mean, he's not necessarily known it. The knockout got. Yeah. Joe was he's not he's known as a good team guy. That's how spider I've known page. Joe since I dunno in RFA when Lance Palmer was the champion. Cornering? That's Palmer out there. And I met page out there wouldn't that fight was announced. I knew I knew that was a tough tough fight. And the result that happened. Didn't didn't surprise me at all? So kind of I think we've actually said if you things right here that that basically mimic would very saying, I we didn't touch on the part where you've see might have handpicked. I know that Cody Garbrandt was expected to be a superstar for the like someone that had that type of trajectory. You know what I mean? Especially the way he beat Dominic, and then he had his his friend that had beaten. The onus. I don't want us to cancer. What was it cancer? I was thinking it was it was a pretty severe illness. He had that. That was a feel good moment. He brought him to the fight. He brought them into the cage. He gave him his bell. Like, you know, code as a good looking guy. He was undefeated. You can just tell it was very a lot of promise there. And then the two losses the TJ. I think you could file that under. Well, that guy's got his number, but let's rebuild them. So as just an essay in that I'm thinking, yeah. Okay. I could possibly see that. Because Mooney else is a little bit blend in terms of. That appeal that superstar appeal he's a he's get there. He's just a good guy. Like, he he's not really out there. You know? He's just a nice guy. That's not a bad thing. I'm talking about that appeal where you have to have a little bit of edge to you or be a bad boy, or you know, what I mean like. He feels like he has that. So I could see them thinking we think you have enough to put this guy away, and then we can start rebuilding you. So that that's a little unfair to the UC. I'm just saying I see Justice viewpoint. But I don't think anyone can confirm that. So you reminded me a lot of Marlin mariah's, personality wise and Marlins kind of developed a little bit of a not a street attitude, but needs starting to come people, but very subtly, but he's not gonna with with vicious Cao's whereas page, oh doesn't have those dishes. Cao's? That's the Pedro is either likable guy. I think that he can actually turn that corner. They've had I think that he could be any better. And better. That's for sure. But you know, what I'm talking about? I'm talking about like when you look at page. Oh, he doesn't have like I I don't remember to a T. But I know he's just kinda got, you know, his hair parted to the side like family guy. Like, there's not like that age to at all it was like a chain or. Ferrari, or you know, what I mean like bitches on his arm or nothing like that. Yeah. Exactly. He's just a Johnny lunch pail type ago. Okay. But we guys this is more about Cody. Let's go to cut number three. This is Justin Buckholtz talking about cody's loss. And we'll go with that people. Like, they they make a situation that is kind of temple. Wait, you simple. They're like, oh he decided to throw caution to the wind. Yeah. We'll where where would that guy? Where was the guy who threw caution to the wind and killer be killed? I'm just gonna go run across the cage holding my right hand out with my hands down where was that guy when when he fought dominant cruise it's funny because dominant cruises commentary. He just can't believe that Cody masterclass in five five minute rounds at ticket subtle. He just he can't he doesn't understand how it works. Because even before that fight. He was saying, well, he it was a family over there in TJ. How is it has a big brother mentality? So we're really going to seek the real Cody come out for this fight, and this is dominant cruise just hoping that we see the Cody Garbrandt that schooled him. I didn't think of that take. Yeah. That is interesting. I was thinking just Cody TJ over the years and Cody buck holds in that matchup and Cody in the, but I didn't think of. To listen on that particular night. I wish I would have just remembered that concentrated more on how did crews call this? But that that was very interesting audio cut. I think about how engulf they were in all that drama for so long that they probably do know the ins and out of each other. So that's actually, very interesting. I want to go back and every time we hold. He's loses that has to sting cruise a little bit while he's not fighting because because TJ Dominic could always go IB you to TJ TJ's only defense was like bro that was close in a lot of people had me win in it. But Cody could never say that to TJ because TJ clearly knocked them out. Now, Cody can't even say that the moon is all I can say is. I was hurting you until you cut me. But that's it. But again Muna's doesn't engage in that. Whereas with Cody versus moon crews. I mean, he had his number all night. So interesting interesting this is three straight now though and their finishes. What do you do? If you're running the show, what do you tell Cody that singlet they used to wear your high school wrestling days? Bring it baby. We got we got a Russell a little bit more the reinvent. Yeah. A little bit just to let's let's get you to fall in love with ground and pound. I'm not saying mmediately shoot for a double or anything like that. But let let's bring that threat back. Let's start to round up your game. And so people aren't just knowing that you know, that you don't have that. I mean, I remember how excited I got one. Roy Nelson was wrestling with havi a yellow because everybody's think man you have a decorated ground game. But you rarely go there, but he did and you wear a lot of things happened with wrestling you break your opponent. You wear them down. You know, their gas tank just starts to wither you can ground and pound them. You can just steal rounds. I mean, not every fight is going to be a finished. But if you can win thirty twenty seven boom, you get that extra. Paycheck. Robbie Lawler was very very nice and kind to herb dean up to two hundred thousand to show, but he to take it home one hundred. Extra hundred thousand if he was the winner. So I'm sure at some point he'll be like, oh, damn like that one hundred grant was just out there dangling. But that's why tip my hat to Robbie Lawler. He handled it with class. He said some nice things. The herb dean, you should check it out. It's called fight motion. It's available on EMI junkyard. Let's go to cut number four. Is this cody's talking more about sorry? Just in talking more about cody's laws and in the coaching impact over there at team alpha. Male says he's lost hid bid is. I quote, a twenty seven rounds against Dominick Cruz. It's like I was Cody head coach at the time. I mean, and and there's people that they had nothing to do with it. And you could you could say whatever you want, you know, but the result speak for himself. I mean, he's only fight against the top ten opponents are number nine he dillashaw and then dominant cruise, you know, and dominant. Cruise was the best out all any maps or clouds him. But he couldn't get past those other guys. And it's a has a lot. It's coaching. It's a program. It's it's all that, you know. All right. So the one thing I've known about Justin is he's very organized. He even though in the end, you remember when they had the season of tough, and he kinda was getting in Ludwig face a little bit kind of almost saying like, hey, you, and I can can go combing event to their main of it. You know, Cody and TJ. But in the end he had an interview with us about a year ago. And he said man, I was acting like a fool something like that. He goes because I'll tell you what I run the same program that Duane Ludwig ran it's the same and Dwayne ran a great program. But because there was a dividing line. We all started acting like jerks to each other, blah, blah, blah. But he is big on accountability. He takes a lot of notes he watches a lot of film. He's very very structured. So when he is able to just rattle that off he didn't have to go. Do his homework. Keanu exactly how many rounds he has coached against dominant Cruz and who's had successes and who hasn't you ever get a chance to pick. That guy's brain you run into at a an event. I am a beer. I bet you you can have a splendid talk with him about mixed martial arts or whatever. Sometimes I think he tends to talk a little bit. Maybe too much like we'll see here. Now, we're gonna go to more cuts, and then we'll take some calls. Eight seven seven. By ninety-three. But now he's talking about how things started to fall apart a little bit team alpha male, and this is where I would wish some of these athletes would shake hands and just go man out. You gave me an opportunity and I want to go elsewhere. And I just don't I think you'll get further that way, that's my style. But let's hear cut number two. And Josh, please hit the owner of football. It's like the owner of the of the team got jealous of the head coach, and then showed up on the field and started coaching, you know, instead of sitting back kicking his feet up and saying I started the team I owned the team everything you do make my shine brighter. But some people just can't understand that because they can't pass their own ego. So that one person he's alluding to obviously favor and very probably know remark. I don't know. Who is right? And it was wrong. The couple of times that I've tried to talk about to a few of the fellas they they've been pretty respectful and either don't wanna talk about it or they just stay out of it. But again vaber has been the one common denominator he'd beat with Ludwig beef with dillashaw we spent some time with your favor on one of our trips. And he seemed like a. Very rational, dude, very mellow, dude. Didn't strike me as an egotistical type of guy never really aired much of the laundry. You know, we didn't ask them much. He didn't really air much over the weekend that we spent with them, and he just seems to be a positive guy that always moves on. You know, what I mean and doesn't really look back. But okay, could there ever be a reconciliation? Let's find out. Let's play cut number five. Please between this buckles again talking about team alpha male who not I would never go back to that. Jim. That's you know, the the way what I did. I was there for ten years. I was the first UFC fighter to fight out of alpha, male, the social media, I I did all that. I started from scratch. You know, I I made Instagram the team out mill Instagram Iran that and and that was the the biggest team Instagram. In the sport. You know tiger. Ty has sent beat it. I mean other teams have since destroyed it 'cause it's just that's not showing the same results that used to eat it. To be Frank. But you know. You know, I mean the logo the logo on all their shirts. I designed that logo. I was I was a huge part of that. And and you know, I didn't think that I would ever ever leave that. I thought I was going to diet as a head coach alpha male. But you know, lot of things don't always work out the way, you think they are. And sometimes they turn out better for you. So for me to Advocaat off. Now again that door is closed. I mean, I don't know you're I'd have to lick my boot if you wanted me to go back back in Jim. And even then I don't think I'd do it. Well, I was just about to say something here. And I guess maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. But I was gonna say all right. I've heard this song dance before. But even some of the most hated. Figures in our sport fighter to fighter fight promoter. Have been able to squash beefs in the past and do business. So I was thinking. That maybe there is new the could be a future if dots holiday wanted it. Who knows because the dude did put in some time over there. He's right. I remember when he fought in the and I remember when he fought or learned under Dwayne bang Ludwig. And I remember him being one of the go-to guys before Ludwig out there and campaign got there. If if you're a team off a male guy, this is while he was still an active fighter. If you're fighting usually buckled with you because he had just a great ability to break down fights. And he was starting to become a good cornerman. But he was just one of the guys you know, what I mean? So now all of a sudden you go from like, hey asshole. You know, you eating with us to now that's the Athol that's kind of running the practice. And so you kind of have to pay him some respect because the younger generation is coming through the after learn that these are the rules. And this is the guy that can make you do push ups or can yell at you for you know, acting the way you are. And so that was a hard transition, but they got through that because it was him and he had Custodio is backup and he had Chris Holdsworth coming through. And so they were making it work, and I thought wow, looks like they figure this thing out. And I was just shocked at it. That it didn't work out. But we'll see, you know. I love the for him to be a head coach somewhere though. I like Justin like that. And he just seems dedicated going back to Cody I'm doing the math. See you can think of anybody. But anytime a champion has gone on a three fight losing streak has already been been anybody. That's kinda bounced back from something like that. I'm thinking Chris wide many lost a rock hold Romero Masasi that was a three fight skid. Right. It'd be Gasol. Yeah. Machida US rock holder, Maryland Brunton. Jeez. Hendrix had a three three fight losing streak. I don't know that very many people have really like bounced back and said, I'm the man again a couple of wins here and there, but this through three. Is tough. I know Henry Suharto lost a DJ and Benavente is back to back on that mistaken. And then he came back and became world champion that's only to you're looking for three because that's dillashaw. He hasn't done that max Holloway. I think lost two in a row, by the way. I think it was Bermudez. But but as a champ way as a champion yard. Nurmi has lost at all. Woodley had a setback of Nate Markwort. And then Jake shields they weren't together. But yeah, he wasn't coming up being champion or anything like that. Why am I saying Woodley? He's not the all right. And then what we've only got one loss anyway. So he's not experiencing that either. Wideman? I guess is a good example. The Wiedemann's your best example, actually because he lost to rock hold. And then he had with the other ones narrow and masonic. Then he came back and beat Cal many lost to jock. Okay. So he did he did fill your criteria. But no. But the former champ three in a row and then come back and win a big fight. There's not too many not not off the top of my head. Yeah. Judge nation. If you've got some eight seven seven fight ninety three eight seven seven three four four four eight nine three. All right. We're going to stick with the team alpha male theme here, she's not a member right now. But she was at one point. And it's page vans at PGE van Zandt. Her fighting career is on hold. She's she fractured that arm that she had a surgery on once or twice appears this one ain't gonna be serious as the other because it seems like one more month, and she could be back. But guess what else page has landed? Now you remember dancing with the stars? That was pretty big outside of the octagon. Right. Well, now, she's gonna grace the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue swimsuit, not bodies. Right. Yeah. The their annual swimsuit issue. She she'll be in it. That's pretty big Ronda Rousey was in at once. And now she's the second UFC star to to Ronda Rousey, that's the one where I think they painted on her right versus wearing a swimsuit. Pretty sure. To be here. I still think dancing with the stars is bigger. But yeah. But for where the directory where fighting careers, dick, you're one I think she went far with it. Yeah. She wants took second place. But if you've ever graced birdies watch of the swimsuit issue that seems to be something that those ladies are pretty proud of like the way like I want an EMMY, your I want an Oscar, you know, what I mean like in that world of the the models supermodel for the way her fighting career has been going. I think to be able to pull this office is pretty big. But see like I feel like somebody's grandma and somebody's brother could be watching dancing with the stars and writing it's like a select few that pick up a Sports Illustrated and do that. But you're right. It is. Is kind of a big deal. She was supposed to fight Montana. Villarosa are UFC two thirty six that ain't happening. Now, she. Iraq, drew, right, right? Well, I didn't get the details online. I just know the setbacks not going to be a series as the first one. But it was a re fracture of the farm and she posted it on her Instagram Kate about page, which is by the way, massive. But what happy for her good for her? You know, even though. She's kind of been a little bit of a five hundred fighter. She's just had incredible successes. I'll just having that conversation with Jesse Jesse extreme couture about maximizing the time when you're a UFC fighter all the different things that you that you can do and. You know in that fighters should do. It was just it was a sidebar had nothing to do with her. It was just a sidebar conversation. Anyway, right now, I don't want to do is take some calls. But I want to get one of these breaks out of the way 'cause we got to do to whom before we get to the. The last guests of the day. So let's do one of them. It's enemy junk radio. I'm fighting nation channel ninety three stay close. And we'll be right back into call in please. It's eight seven seven. I just said boy, I'm sick eight seven seven fighting as me. From the scene both but actors though, they've never met. They are the brothers. Go. See gorgeous, George goes. 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Sign yet, especially when the players left. Let's year. I mean, whatever they the guy who speak like. Back onto great. Thanks. Chris Nike picking in this. I'm under most other ovary. What other one Lucy to of his team back on full Trump's through or maybe great combusted affection for what is work. Were they frame? Andrea Lobski and all-star overbearing. Okay. Yeah. I remember our loss keys because he he had to go the tough route man, he fought at one championship back when they were one f c he fought at PF L, then even in the UC he was able to compile a winning streak. So I was really really happy for him. Because a lot of fighters when they leave the they just not able to have that kind of patience, and you know, where with all the resolve to get over that imagine how much that must mess with you mentally after being the heavyweight champion in the U of C. Remember, the remember Rachelle Leah followed him around for an all access, and you know, what I mean? And then just goes away. That's tough. So Frank MIR honor Laskey was there a third one. Uncuttable ring house drove around have to look that one up as well. Okay. Cool. Good fine. On the Justin buckles female for male. Get Oprah show. But now they come on the movie night. Oh, man. Here is. Favor when it goes when by Ludwig club thing, leave us is involved with or. Renou other look my God. Anybody that went from lovely Cadman buckled on their Modano anymore. Viva was he's like. You'd I guess able to stylus bonnet disease onum, I decide that. But they would the fiction happens. So mainly this is fire on them. When you'll see buffalo of lamb. On the year for the governor went from champion for the governor was in fulfull on Mazdas, not one blimp. When a peanut show laugh. Muslim else you federal budget, you speak with them. I love with that. We can kind of it will fight it here. I mean, shut Mendez LA Joseph been readers is no longer them up on. So almost maybe with fire feel about Cody govern a caller because one of the lifting base ever since he got the backing reman because into the thing fighters, maybe that affect you more. We check lucky enough to speak guys. Those the box him a move the lumber getting high school and all of the old the coalition in the main fooling filling just Jones whether there's a lot of Wiki kissed kids has that it's going to get. Buddy. It'd be much Bislett in these volume. I might all my to one all the people have gone through. Thank you. Okay. We'll see him. I think I think he has time, but he probably needs to win the fight happen like January link when did you know, just have fuck? What's wrong with me, man? Just happened last weekend. He. Needs to take the rest of this year off maybe five years, maybe five at the end of the year card. Yeah. Get yourself. The surgeries you need. If it's your back. The back is a serious thing. And it could be that the back oftentimes the back of the neck is what prevents these wrestlers from being able to go down that road again. But you want to have at least six months removed from your last KO for one two if there's any surgeries or cleanup studies do great. Plus what's going to happen goes for one teaches dillashaw next fight probably isn't to defend his title against the contender? So it's going to be price Henry pseudo then after that guess who's waiting Marlin Mayans. And then after that guesses probably waiting probably the guy like big, Jim Williams, algebra and sterling see you're not even in the picture. You know, what I mean a lot of times while you sit it out all these guys fight and beat each other up, and then you can just step back in and you don't have a loss to the actual champion like Huda wins garbage can go. I'm also that guy was run it. But while dillashaw is at the top. What are you gonna do? I mean, the only thing you can. Is maybe subject yourself to looking back and putting somebody over on your name or you can maybe just hang back. Wait when you come back. You're still bad ass, Cody garment, and maybe you get yourself a win. And all's forgotten of all those names heat throughout Garbrandt is probably the one that we've spent the least amount of time with we've had them here in studio. I think a couple of times. All of them. No, never strike me as guys with huge egos or Araya down to earth. Really cool. Danny steel same thing. Chris, Holdsworth buckled. All those guys have really good personalities that a lot of people are drawn to. It's just weird that together just doesn't mesh. I don't know. What the hell's going on there? But benefit is like one of the nicest guys Palmer. I just don't get how it doesn't work. I neither it was a really really close knit team. All right. And don't forget this weekend. Is you have see Wichita featuring junior dishonest, and Derek Lewis what I wanted to point. You all to is on our website haven't made junkie if you ever have a chance to check it out go to rankings, and you get kind of caught up on you click the heavyweight John drop down you can get caught up on all the heavyweights in what they got going on. I see a fight between the Riemann Volkov. That's coming up on. April twentieth. Lewis junior Santus have something going on big pretty and Curtis blades. So take that look at it, and Ben Rothwell, and blah, blah, even off. That's another good fight take that look at it. And then that way, we have some time towards the end of the show today or tomorrow, I want to spend a little bit of time talking about the heavyweights and the landscape and how it looks. So check it out again. It's Emory junkie dot com rankings tab, and then use the dropdown heavyweights. We're take his last break. We come back. We'll be joined by David Feldman. The president of bare knuckle fighting championship. Independent. They're my life codes is early. I've done is under their strict smokers vision. Here are Georgia's goes and sores. All right. We're back. Cruising into the finish line. Had talked to our guests here. David Feldman who is the president of bare knuckle fighting championships be KFC five by the way is on April sixth and features a main event of Artem Lobov versus Jason night. However, the big big news coming out of that promotion today is that they have signed former two-time boxing world champion. Paulie, Malia Nause. Now, I know that names been floating around, Molly and versus low ball. It's just something that Maya Najji is going to be warm too. I'm sure Mr. Feldman's going to be warm too. But but I want everybody to know that right now Lobov does have a fight Jason nights. No joke. So it's Artem logo versus Jason night on April six right now. Let's bring in David Feldman. How're you doing? David. Welcome back to EMMY junkie radio and congrats on that huge signing today. I'm doing great, man. Thank thank the much for having me yet. It'd be great to get a guy like him on our roster. So we're super super excited today. Yep. Now, listen, we remember when all of you all were in the same room here in our studio did that have anything to do with getting these talks underway, or did you guys have some sort of another run in or had you already even thought of that prior prior to seeing him here in our studio. We thought about it a little bit ago. But it really it really sparked up there. That's conversation sparked up actually in your studio exactly where the talks really started to to to move forward. You know, we talked about actually him coming in and possibly doing some commentators. And then I said why do commentator man, I think you should fighting this thing. And then we talked about the kind of McGregor angle and stuff like that. We thought you know, let's give it a shot. So he's been great. So far that you know, you know, paulie, like, he doesn't let you get a word in edgewise, and he was on your talk and call often, but he's so personable and the all ready put out a tweet and Instagram post today that offended a lot of people already. So you know, he's I think he's exactly what we're looking for. All right. I remember something else. I remember something else. Now, I don't know why David dot here. No, no. No, no. When we all left I had to give who'd I give. Right to the Chris Lytle? Yeah. All right. My plan was. I was going to take. That's Josh had told me Polly will get there. And can you can you give them a ride back? I said all right. But David was here and you were heading back to the MGM. I believe David if I'm not mistaken. I remember you said why don't you ride with us? And then that helped me because I took Chris, and we were just cutting it less. I think we would have made it. Okay. I don't know. But when he ever that. I said, okay. If you're going back that way. Sure, so David that was actually some opportunity for you to just Benazir little bit right now. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's when we we. We started talking about the whole situation, and yeah, that's right. How forget that. Yeah. We did. I remember that you're right. Because I said it come on get your jump in with us. All right, cool. He's a cool guys. You know, man. He he's he's so down there at these really good dude on top of he's very planned born in and he likes to talk and he can fight. I mean, a lot of people I'm seeing on the poster on he he's not if they puncher over they don't know. And bare knuckle, you don't have to be a big country you need to be you need to pick your shots fish China. And because of that he's actually probably the best signing we've ever had so far. Oh, hell, yeah. He you gotta be officiant. You gotta make it count. You gotta be accurate you're mail every punt. I'm in such all that was a great hustle right there. He offered them the ride and then that happened. That's awesome serious. Because in our sport, David you never made. There's a lot of like dirty players. You know what? I mean. Here's an example of a dirty player dirty player would have said, hey, what are you? Why are you about to walk in that stadium? Let me go taking a stake. I got something I want to propose Zoe railroads but in. Stead the work had been done everybody popped on the show. Chris David for a couple of minutes. We were all having a great night and David offered him the right? And then boom that opportunity came up. That is awesome. See I'm happy for when people are able to do it that way. So again kudos to use her. I agree. It's an awesome signing. And I think just Pauly's gold. You know what? I mean. I think he'll he'll represent bear your your bare knuckle fighting championships. I think you'll represent you guys. Well, he's so well-spoken he's respected because he's a two time world, title holder and boxing. So that was really a massive free agent signing. No, absolutely. It was. I mean, you know, the one thing that a lot of people have been saying is get some boxers get some boxers get some boxers. But I mean, just to get regular boxers in there that, you know, probably a better hand somebody's make is it doesn't really make sense. If you haven't made guys had the better names to now, we get a guy with that great hands. But can as an phenomenal name. It was a perfect opportunity the perfect guy to bring on board. And he as p understands, you know, look he knows how to promote right? So because of that he's even one step above and he's just he's phenomenal. Like, I said the best signing we've done so far because all around package not just because you can fight or he can talk. But because everything all around it has to be the biggest signing for be KFC to date. But we do have some other times. It's coming up in the next two or three weeks. So we're gonna shake it up a little bit more cool. Can't wait to hear man. Now, I'm excited. I want to ask you a question. And I don't want this to sound disrespectful. I think known us long enough here where you know, that we don't ask those questions. But I just never would have thought that a guy like, paulie Molin Ozzy would have done something like that. I just thought that. I don't know. Like, he was he was retired. There were just so many things that were leading me towards he wouldn't do that. But now that you did that if I feel like it's opened the door for so many possibilities that being said we just saw Roy Jones junior heat talking about fighting in one championship. I mean, have you had is this the only that you've had with a boxer of this level? Or are there? Other guys even on that same stage that could possibly be making this transition. I mean, look with all due respect to avoid, you know, one of the best fighters ever. But we we were in talks with void. The thing is he's he did get over fifty now. So because of that, you know, we don't want people say, we're, you know, it's like the senior citizen home and things like that. Although he can still fight. We just had to back away from that. Paulie being thirty eight. You know, he is gay. He did have a long career. But he's not, you know, he's not too old to still fight it and the one thing about policy didn't take a lot of beatings. Yeah. You got stopped a couple of times. But I mean, he he's he's a beautiful boxer because he didn't eat a lot of punches in his career. So I think that you know, some fighters can be old at twenty two or twenty three and some fighters enrolled at fifty and I think at thirty eight I don't think Polly's old yet. David anytime Jurgen is Asians brought up your names brought up. It's usually followed by man that guy doesn't mess around. And it's because every time you have an announcement. It's something that catches us by surprise like even when you were when you went off to Mexico like, wow, I thought this was going to only be like a stateside thing. This guy doesn't play. He's got great ideas. He's making things happen outside the box that being said, it's still kind of early. Have you figured out your system? One hundred percent like are you still kind of testing things out like where are you at in those stages? No. I mean, you know, we're doing the pay per view thing right now. And it's working. It's getting us by it's not pay per view, the piracy and pay per view is is at all time. I right now. So it's not the easiest way to make money. And with that being said, we have three potential deals on the table right now with three different networks that we're hoping to make that announcement here next week that we're gonna probably sign with a pretty big network, which is unbelievable for us. I mean, I have to keep reminding myself because you know, sometimes they get down. Just you know, it's it's a grind. And and the people on my team remind me date, we're only on our fifth event ever. So I mean in five events, not even having a fit the van yet and signing guys like this and getting the kind of media attention that we're getting and now possibly having a network deal. Not even a year in I think that just really speaks volumes of you know, the can acidy of everybody in our team. And that we. Really do see the big picture here. And we just want to get this done in. You know, we're gonna try everything that we can do to make this happen. And you know, as you said we. We do things that people aren't really gonna see common. Then I think, you know, with that this company has a has a pretty good future, Georgia you've been around, David. What what do you think when he comes on the show to break that news? Do you think he'll be able to fight back, the tears? Yeah. It would be nice to have some breaking news on our show. Yeah. You're the invite. Is there David if you wanna break any of it on our show, we'd love to have it specially if it's MMA, but we'll take anything because that actually leads into my next question. You said there's some big ones coming can you? Give us a hint staying with the theme of boxing, like paulie, million Ozzy or bacterium may or is it even outside of those two boxes. Now. One in one one boxer one guy one a former USA guy. Really big. We also have another another signing coming up from a former Balladur guy a lot of people know, but I just wanna make you know, maybe break on your show a sheet or not you guys on we're just finishing up that contract now. But then we have another boxer that I think people are going to be say the same thing that you said what paulie how did they find this guy? But you know, that's what we're looking to do because what is doing is. It's getting us in the media. It's getting the networks talking about us. Because look if we just so we have two different ways from we're gonna roll this out wanna roll it out by putting some names in there, getting them recognition putting on great place, you get into sin going or we're going to do it a different way. And just getting, you know, beginner fighters fighters that were just coming out of the gate and building it up that way, it's a whole new sport. And as we talked with the team, I said that seems like a good way to go. We're not taking a lot of risk their financial. But if we don't put these big names in no one's really gonna notice us. So I think. With having the big name ten ads calling the talent differently as we're going to build a town as we are doing with these tournaments and different things like this. I think we almost have a pretty good perfect storm right here that, you know, bringing in some of these guys that have been around to give it the name recognition at the same time building up are up and coming talent. So kind of like a pretty good mix. Here we have gone on. And by the way, we're only what just a month away from though offers night that is a great main event David seriously and then with LeBron and chase Sherman also on the card the the semi-final round of the lightweight tournament. Like this card is no joke. So even though you're just starting off with a couple of key signings here and there, and you know, trying to also build some of the some of the talent organically like for this to be be KFC five. That's that's an attention grabber right there. Like just that made event alone is pretty chilling. You know what I mean? But you get your beckon it up with some interesting angles your featuring the female. Those big guys little guys. Whatever is good stuff. Here. We got some good guys in that car. I'm I'm really excited about that car. And you mentioned Sherman k Sharman is going to fight one of our guys who is he's three and one with us now for that station on knockout over Eric brindell. Sam shoemaker is going to battle case Sherman. So I'm really looking forward to that one. Because I think anybody can go at any given time in that one. Then we have Chris one's going to fight a battle tested Alatorre veteran who likes to stay in and bang, but it isn't phenomenal on the ground right now. But I think that's that's why he's crossing over to us just in baseman. So that should be a pretty decent quite there and it self and then we got the semi final rounds of the lightweight tournament. We have some other some other local guys on that have some serious talent and the women Christine fiero versus. A Briton heart Britain heart had a had lost decision to bec Rawlings and Christine Farrow and our last fight with us. You know, just looked unbelievably relational so super super stoked about the whole card enroll in this role in the rest of here out and seeing what is here has old and then going into two thousand twenty we have some really big things that we're planning on doing. And hopefully, you know, the stars aligned and everything works out for us because I'll tell you. I don't think any team is working harder in combat sports than us right now. I mean, we're working just gone on from the office now within their at five this morning on our time. So we're you know, that's a nineteen hour day. So we're just trying to get this stuff done. And I think we're doing. We're doing some good stuff so far. So I'm really proud of the growth that we've had so far. And I'm really proud of everybody on my team is you know, how hard they're working to get this done in the fighters. I mean, you know, there were some mixed up with that other company that didn't pay some people and people in one we make post people will say you're gonna pay you're fighters, and then you should see our fans and our fighters within two seconds, defending us wrong company wrong company. They're great. So I think you know, all that together speaks speaks volumes for what we're doing right now. We're just so happy where we're at where enjoying this day by day ride. And like I said, hopefully, it takes us to where we need to be our guest David, and he's the president of bare knuckle fighting championship could follow him on Twitter at K F, and then Feldman B K F B K, F Feldman and also their website. If you want more information on KFI five or just getting familiar with this bare knuckle, fighting promotion, it's WWW dot bear. Knuckle dot TV are I just a couple more quick questions. Did I do I remember this correctly? Or did I read this somewhere nine events? This year's is what two thousand nineteen has in store. Correct. It's going to be cut down to eight only because we were gonna put together, and we bumped one or number over definitely doing eighty vents this year, we're going back to Mexico. We're probably going to Australia by in November. So it looks like we're going to do a homecoming event for Beck where just tighten it up some of the lookout he's over there right now. But if we get that all tight, which we think we will in November will be in Australia. So, you know, I mean first year three countries all these events, man. Like, I said man, it's just so happy. And you know, sometimes I sit back, and I can't believe it like, I just actually I was sitting with my son tonight as we were right up proposal for the one of the networks that had that had to be in tonight. And I was like, can you believe what this little office may you father son, and we're shaking up the freaking combat sports world. And he's like, it's unbelievable, man. So where's this? And but like I said man, I'm. More than anything. We're just enjoying the ride. You know, we'll see where it takes us working hard. Oh. When you work hard good things happen. Sure. Does congratulations on the signing of Polly, Molly and Ozzy, and we look forward to Artem Lobo versus Jason night on April six that's be K F C five and for those of you in the south. It's at the Mississippi coast Coliseum. Thank you, David for your time. We really appreciate it. Hopefully, you can do this again soon. Always a pleasure being on what you guys. Thanks so much. Evening. All right, folks. That's David Feldman. Again. It's KF Feldman on Twitter. Follow them know you heard him on the enemy junkie radio show. And that it's our show for today. We are out of here. Tomorrow still working on the lineup kind of really laid back chill week with a lot to react to with UFC two thirty five. And of course, we had a couple of connectivity issues that are all sorted out. So we're ready to go. But it's been nice being able to just hang back and cover the latest news. And last week was pretty sick. In fact, there's some interviews that I think I'm going to see if we can get them somehow to the Sirius XM audience, the kind of listen, listen to one way or another. All right. We are out of here. We'll see you all tomorrow at eight eastern five Pacific for another addition of anime radio goes, Josh. I'm George have a nice evening and remember go out there and be a champion. Hi, I'm Jay Farner, CEO of Quicken Loans. Thirty percent of Americans who are planning home improvement of five thousand dollars or more. We'll pay for those renovations with a high interest credit card that may not be a great idea. A better idea maybe to take cash out of your home with a Quicken Loans. 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