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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

The Rich Eisen Show

08:56 min | 11 months ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

"DOT COM joining us now on the phone line is one of my favorite colleagues that I was blessed to do sportscenter with to see up close and personal. This man do his work I've known him for over twenty years. His love of the sport of baseball is beyond. passionate. He's also hosted. World Series Post Season All Star game and game of the week pre game coverage for no fewer than three networks. He is ESPN senior studio host. Kale Keith Olbermann. How are you cal? Sorry. Spent so long. It's it's twenty five years by the way I mean. That is true I. Want Yeah. When you get your sixties, you have a lot more time to to sort of keep track of nineteen. ninety-six is when I first. Actually Keith. I told the story the other day. it's actually even longer than that. Because ESPN reassured the Colorado Michigan. One thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety four Kordell Stewart Hail Mary I was at ESPN to see, and then wanted to turn every television off because as you know a Michigan. Graduate But I. I was in the building Keith because you were kind enough to offer me an informational Chitchat. Because of our mutual acquaintance Eric Sorenson of CBS. Evening News you were in a fantasy league with Eric and you got my resume tape, and you said sure I'll chat with him. He was my boss at one point. Back twice before and after that, but yeah, so this is these are the sort of exciting things we talk about instead of baseball. Well, we may have to talk about them instead of baseball instead of a season. I know. Where do you think we all right now on that Front Keith? I think we're in eighteen ninety. Eighteen ninety was the was the year that baseball. Stopped, growing as a sport when it was taking over the country in the in the nineteenth century, and the owner tried to impose a salary cap and salary slot system, so that every player got a grade, and each grade got a set salary, so they could. Each salary cap had five little salary caps inside it was marbles, and the head of the Players Union at that point was a was I think Columbia educated lawyer and the superstar shortstop named John Montgomery Ward of the New York giants, and instead of going on strike. He created his own league, and all the players left and went to the players National League, and they actually lead in attendance that year, but there was so much baseball and the the the. Players needed some financial backing, so they had to get other guys in the process, and those guys panicked when they could make money, and they sold out, but the national. The players Nationally Gweat in attendance. The National League in the American Association which were the incumbent major leagues. Nearly went out of business and the. World series went to. Eight Games because there was a tie and the weather was bad and people were fed up with baseball to the degree that because it was going to be very cold and are only drawn a couple of hundred fans for the the The Games of the seventh game the world series they abandoned the world series. The morning of the eighth game called it off. And it remains a tie in the record books. Because people were just so it was, it was a symbol of how frustrated people were with baseball and I think we're back. Something like that because I. Really think it's actually worse than we have been talking about. Because, there's a chance that I think it's an excellent chats. May probability that the whole ruination of their the business? The soiling of their own bed led by rob Manfred. Will have been for no reason. I mean if you think about this, there's still an excellent chance. The NBA NHL baseball. Nfl College football. It's excellent chance that none of the sports actually get to resume. We're having growth in in Cova in I. think Nineteen States. including some very large ones California's off the growth with, but it's still still got a lot of cases. We're talked about Some additional shutdowns here in New York, because people over have overdone it and just ignored all the rules. And there's a good chance. Nothing gets played. What will be remembered if baseball? There's no sports. This year doesn't happen. What will be remembered? Baseball will be the astros scandal, and how the owners tried to take financial advantage of pandemic and fired their scouts and cut all the minor league players and did not. In, the business, in which the Grand Prize are combined, fifty five billion dollars could not spend the money on any of the people who ordinarily would work the games, and then this so genius move. On a proud cornell graduate, as you are a proud Michigan. You graduated. Take! Out Michigan. Graduate I'm proud Cornell graduate ROB Manfred was a year behind me and we're really proud of the alumni association today. The dulcet tones of Keith Olbermann here on the rich Eisen show. Okay, so Why why? Keith just the open ended. Question of why would they would would? Would this be happening? Why? Well, one thing you have to understand is what whereas everybody else in the world about thirty, one guy's looks at this and says. You really have managed to find the worst thing you could do. At the worst possible moment you could do it. But baseball owners and rob Manfred think they are having a tremendous success right now, because the to begin with the best at times with the best measures, the best owners, and the you know sort of necessary peril that makes business sharp, edged, and forward thinking and kind of responsible under the best of circumstances, baseball's long-term planning is. Let's see what it's Tuesday today. Okay, what do the long term planning meetings? We can decide what we're doing on Friday. They've never done. It never thought ahead. They see things the way everybody else does. But Manfred and I did know him in school but I I attended classes in the college that he went to the industrial and labor relations school, and if out of one hundred students were like ten like me, who were in the school or art school, or whatever, and went there to get the history classes about labor relations in this country fascinating stuff I've met a professor there. Who I knew and they passed away a couple of years ago and Know, good solid student, going on in that school, so about ten of us, and it'd be about eighty eight people were hoping to get involved in labor in to some degree, either as a mediator Labor's side, and there were two guys in the back, writing everything down to figure out how to school employees and pay them less and pull their rights back one at A. A time over the course of a century and Manfred has got to be saying well. I know it looks a little bad, but of the money we're going to be saving. We're not gonNA. Be Wasting our money on a season. People aren't GonNa Watch, and maybe we won't get to go to and think of the liability. We will not have no player fan will sue. Sue Us, if they get covid nineteen at one of our games, and we won't have to abandon it, and we'll have to make good with the with the with. We'll put out a story that we'RE NOT GONNA. Make any money on this. They think this is going well. And when they forced the strike in nineteen, eighty one and when they forced the strike in nineteen. Nineteen eighty-four. They thought it was going well and when they thought they were GONNA force the players to go out on strike just before the first anniversary nine eleven. They thought that was going well. There were owners who are kind of disappointed that they didn't force the players to be on strike on the first anniversary of nine eleven. Because there is, there is a disconnect. Between humanity and baseball owners that exceeds anything else that I've encountered, and this includes all my political experience that's. There are a couple of people that you can have conversations with and who have right. They didn't experience real life in their own lives, like George Steinbrenner never had a real life day in his life, but somehow he did have human empathy and understood that his business largely consisted people liking it. It was an morpheus kind of. Not defined by the dollar sales are up in Chicago. We'll so what I mean. These guys the rest of them for the most part. I I was looking at an old article..

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

The Rich Eisen Show

08:50 min | 11 months ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

"Joining us now on the phone line is one of my. Favorite colleagues that I was blessed to do sportscenter way to see up close and personal. This man do his work. I've known him for over twenty years. His love of the sport of baseball is beyond. passionate. He's also hosted World Series postseason, All Star game and game of the week pre game coverage for no fewer than three networks. He is ESPN senior studio host Kale Keith Olbermann. How are you, Kale? So long! It's. It's twenty five years by the way, I mean that is true I want yeah wh when you get into your sixties, you have a lot more time to to sort of keep track of nineteen ninety-six. When I actually actually Keith I told the story the other day. It's actually even longer than that. Because ESPN re aired the Colorado Michigan. Nineteen ninety-four Kordell Stewart Hail Mary. I was at ESPN to see and then wanted to turn every television off. Because as you know, I'm a Michigan. graduate but I heard I was in the building Keith, because you were kind enough to offer me an informational Chitchat. Because of our mutual acquaintance, Eric Sorenson of CBS Evening News you're in fantasy league with Eric and you and you got my resume tape, and you said sure I'll I'll chat with him while he was. He was my boss at one point so. Twice, before and after that, but yeah, so this is these are the sort of exciting things we can talk about instead of baseball. Well we may have to talk about them instead of baseball instead of a season. I know. Where do you think we are right now on that front Keith. I think we're in eighteen ninety. Eighteen ninety was was the year that baseball. Stopped growing as a sport when it was taking over the country in the nineteenth century, and the owners tried to impose a salary cap and salary slot system, so that every player got a grade, and each grade got a set salary, so they could know. Each salary cap had five little salary caps inside it with marbles, and the head of the Players Union at that point was a was I think Columbia educated. Lawyer and a superstar shortstop named John Montgomery Ward of the New York giants, and instead of going on strike. He created his own league, and all the players left and went to the players. National, League, and they actually lead in attendance that year, but there was so much baseball and the the the. Players needed some financial backing, so they had to get other guys involved in the process, and those guys panicked when they make money and they sold out, but the national players national league-leading attendance the nationally the American Association which were the incumbent major leagues. Nearly went out of business and the. World series went to. Eight. Games, because there was a tie, and the weather was bad and people were fed up with baseball to the degree that because it was going to be very cold, and they're only drawn huck couple of hundred fans for the the the Games of the seventh game of the world series. They abandoned the world series. The of the eighth game called it off. and. It remains a tie in the record books. Because people were just so it was, it was a symbol. How frustrated people were with baseball and I? Think we're back. Something like that because I really think it's actually worse than we have been talking about. Because there's a chance that tickets. An excellent chats may probability that the the whole ruination of their the business, the soiling of their own bed led by rob Manfred. We'll have been for no reason. I mean if you think about this. There's still an excellent chance the NBA Nhl Baseball Nfl College football. It's excellent transit. None of the sports actually get to resume right. We're having growth in in covert in I. think Nineteen States. including some very large ones. California is off the growth list, but it's still still got a lot of cases. We're talking about Some additional shutdowns here in New York, because people have overdone it and just ignored all the rules. And there's a good chance nothing gets played. What will be remembered baseball? There's no sports. This doesn't happen. What will be remembered? Baseball will be the astros scandal, and how the owners tried to take financial advantage of a pandemic and fired their scouts and cut all the minor league players and did not. In a business, in which the franchises are worth a combined fifty five billion dollars could not spend the money on any of the people who ordinarily would work the games, and then this so genius move. On a proud cornell graduate as you are proud, Michigan graduate you graduate. I tossed. Out Michigan. I graduate I'm a proud Cornell graduate ROB. Manfred was a year behind me and we're really proud of the alumni association today. The dulcet tones of Keith. Olbermann here on the rich Eisen show. Okay, so Why why? Keith just the open ended question of why would they would? Would this be happening why I think it well. One thing you have to understand is what whereas everybody else in the world, but about thirty one is looks at this and says. You really have managed to find the worst thing you could do at the worst possible moment you could do it. But baseball owners and rob Manfred think they are having a tremendous success right now, because the to begin with the best at times with the best measures and the best owners, and the you know sort of necessary peril that makes business sharp, edged, and forward thinking and kind of responsible under the best of circumstances, baseball's long-term planning is. Let's see what they it's Tuesday today. Okay, what do the long term planning meetings? We can decide what we're doing on Friday. They've never done. They've never thought ahead. They don't see things the way everybody else does but Manfred. And I I didn't know him in school but I attended classes in the scholars that he went to the industrial and labor relations school, and if out of one hundred students there were like. Me who were? In the AD, school, or art school, or whatever, and went there to get the history classes about labor relations in this country fascinating stuff I've met a professor there who I knew. They passed away a couple of years ago and You know good solid student thing going on in that school, so the about ten of us and there'd be about eight people were hoping to get involved in Labor into some degree, either as a mediator or on labor side, and then there were two guys in the back, writing everything down to figure out how to school employees, and pay them less and pull their right-back back one at a time over the course of a century and Manfred has got to. To be saying well, I know. It looks a little bad, but bigger the money we're going to be saving. WE'RE NOT GONNA be wasting money on a season. People aren't GonNa Watch. Maybe we won't get to go to and think of it. Why ability we will not have no player fan will sue US if they get covid nineteen at one of our games, and we won't have to abandon it, and we'll have to make good with the O- with the. Proud a story that we're not GONNA. Make any money on this. They this is going well. And when they forced the strike in nineteen, eighty, one and Wendy forced the strike in Nineteen eighty-four. They thought it was going well and when they thought they were GONNA force the players to go out on strike just before the first anniversary of nine eleven. They thought that was going well. There were owners who are of disappointed that they didn't force the players to be on strike on the first anniversary of nine eleven. Because there is, there is a disconnect. Between humanity and baseball owners that exceeds anything else, but I've I've encountered, and this includes all my political expats. Couple of people that you could have conversations with and who have right if they didn't experience real life, and their own lives George Steinbrenner never had a real wife day in his life, but. He did have human empathy and understood that his business largely consisted of people liking it. It was an morpheus kind of not defined by the dollar like sales are up in Chicago, also what I mean..

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

The Rich Eisen Show

08:50 min | 11 months ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

"Joining us now on the phone line is one of my. Favorite colleagues that I was blessed to do sportscenter way to see up close and personal. This man do his work. I've known him for over twenty years. His love of the sport of baseball is beyond. passionate. He's also hosted World Series postseason, All Star game and game of the week pre game coverage for no fewer than three networks. He is ESPN senior studio host Kale Keith Olbermann. How are you, Kale? So long! It's. It's twenty five years by the way, I mean that is true I want yeah wh when you get into your sixties, you have a lot more time to to sort of keep track of nineteen ninety-six. When I actually actually Keith I told the story the other day. It's actually even longer than that. Because ESPN re aired the Colorado Michigan. Nineteen ninety-four Kordell Stewart Hail Mary. I was at ESPN to see and then wanted to turn every television off. Because as you know, I'm a Michigan. graduate but I heard I was in the building Keith, because you were kind enough to offer me an informational Chitchat. Because of our mutual acquaintance, Eric Sorenson of CBS Evening News you're in fantasy league with Eric and you and you got my resume tape, and you said sure I'll I'll chat with him while he was. He was my boss at one point so. Twice, before and after that, but yeah, so this is these are the sort of exciting things we can talk about instead of baseball. Well we may have to talk about them instead of baseball instead of a season. I know. Where do you think we are right now on that front Keith. I think we're in eighteen ninety. Eighteen ninety was was the year that baseball. Stopped growing as a sport when it was taking over the country in the nineteenth century, and the owners tried to impose a salary cap and salary slot system, so that every player got a grade, and each grade got a set salary, so they could know. Each salary cap had five little salary caps inside it with marbles, and the head of the Players Union at that point was a was I think Columbia educated. Lawyer and a superstar shortstop named John Montgomery Ward of the New York giants, and instead of going on strike. He created his own league, and all the players left and went to the players. National, League, and they actually lead in attendance that year, but there was so much baseball and the the the. Players needed some financial backing, so they had to get other guys involved in the process, and those guys panicked when they make money and they sold out, but the national players national league-leading attendance the nationally the American Association which were the incumbent major leagues. Nearly went out of business and the. World series went to. Eight. Games, because there was a tie, and the weather was bad and people were fed up with baseball to the degree that because it was going to be very cold, and they're only drawn huck couple of hundred fans for the the the Games of the seventh game of the world series. They abandoned the world series. The of the eighth game called it off. and. It remains a tie in the record books. Because people were just so it was, it was a symbol. How frustrated people were with baseball and I? Think we're back. Something like that because I really think it's actually worse than we have been talking about. Because there's a chance that tickets. An excellent chats may probability that the the whole ruination of their the business, the soiling of their own bed led by rob Manfred. We'll have been for no reason. I mean if you think about this. There's still an excellent chance the NBA Nhl Baseball Nfl College football. It's excellent transit. None of the sports actually get to resume right. We're having growth in in covert in I. think Nineteen States. including some very large ones. California is off the growth list, but it's still still got a lot of cases. We're talking about Some additional shutdowns here in New York, because people have overdone it and just ignored all the rules. And there's a good chance nothing gets played. What will be remembered baseball? There's no sports. This doesn't happen. What will be remembered? Baseball will be the astros scandal, and how the owners tried to take financial advantage of a pandemic and fired their scouts and cut all the minor league players and did not. In a business, in which the franchises are worth a combined fifty five billion dollars could not spend the money on any of the people who ordinarily would work the games, and then this so genius move. On a proud cornell graduate as you are proud, Michigan graduate you graduate. I tossed. Out Michigan. I graduate I'm a proud Cornell graduate ROB. Manfred was a year behind me and we're really proud of the alumni association today. The dulcet tones of Keith. Olbermann here on the rich Eisen show. Okay, so Why why? Keith just the open ended question of why would they would? Would this be happening why I think it well. One thing you have to understand is what whereas everybody else in the world, but about thirty one is looks at this and says. You really have managed to find the worst thing you could do at the worst possible moment you could do it. But baseball owners and rob Manfred think they are having a tremendous success right now, because the to begin with the best at times with the best measures and the best owners, and the you know sort of necessary peril that makes business sharp, edged, and forward thinking and kind of responsible under the best of circumstances, baseball's long-term planning is. Let's see what they it's Tuesday today. Okay, what do the long term planning meetings? We can decide what we're doing on Friday. They've never done. They've never thought ahead. They don't see things the way everybody else does but Manfred. And I I didn't know him in school but I attended classes in the scholars that he went to the industrial and labor relations school, and if out of one hundred students there were like. Me who were? In the AD, school, or art school, or whatever, and went there to get the history classes about labor relations in this country fascinating stuff I've met a professor there who I knew. They passed away a couple of years ago and You know good solid student thing going on in that school, so the about ten of us and there'd be about eight people were hoping to get involved in Labor into some degree, either as a mediator or on labor side, and then there were two guys in the back, writing everything down to figure out how to school employees, and pay them less and pull their right-back back one at a time over the course of a century and Manfred has got to. To be saying well, I know. It looks a little bad, but bigger the money we're going to be saving. WE'RE NOT GONNA be wasting money on a season. People aren't GonNa Watch. Maybe we won't get to go to and think of it. Why ability we will not have no player fan will sue US if they get covid nineteen at one of our games, and we won't have to abandon it, and we'll have to make good with the O- with the. Proud a story that we're not GONNA. Make any money on this. They this is going well. And when they forced the strike in nineteen, eighty, one and Wendy forced the strike in Nineteen eighty-four. They thought it was going well and when they thought they were GONNA force the players to go out on strike just before the first anniversary of nine eleven. They thought that was going well. There were owners who are of disappointed that they didn't force the players to be on strike on the first anniversary of nine eleven. Because there is, there is a disconnect. Between humanity and baseball owners that exceeds anything else, but I've I've encountered, and this includes all my political expats. Couple of people that you could have conversations with and who have right if they didn't experience real life, and their own lives George Steinbrenner never had a real wife day in his life, but. He did have human empathy and understood that his business largely consisted of people liking it. It was an morpheus kind of not defined by the dollar like sales are up in Chicago, also what I mean..

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

The Rich Eisen Show

07:16 min | 11 months ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

"Rich is. Okay folks, our number, three of the show on the air here on NBC, `send, Sirius, Xm channel eleven YouTube dot com slash rich Eisen show the very funny bill burr will be joining us in about twenty minutes time, or about a half an hour after the Tampa Bay buccaneers released new photographs of Tom Brady in a bucket here uniform. Patriot fans are quaking. Avert your eyes. Sir the same way that we're averting are is what is the mess that Major League Baseball is getting into Jeff Passan of ESPN joined us last hour to walk us through how we got to this part best he can tell how he can get. Maybe out of the Sports Net New York during the commercial break. reported that six to eight owners on why there would be a range either you got this down. You don't, but they are owned by the Mets Sports Net New York by the Wilpon family. Six eight owners are out on the season. They're out on playing a season. And to the six to eight owners I say to you. Who the hell do you think you are? How does that sound? Like it like. Sell Sell your team. If you don't want joining us now on the phone line is one of my favorite colleagues that I was blessed to do sportscenter way to up close and personal. This man do his work. I've known him for over twenty years. His love of the sport of baseball is beyond. passionate. He's also hosted World Series postseason, All Star game and game of the week pregame coverage for no fewer than three networks. He is ESPN senior studio host Kale Keith Olbermann. How are you Kale? Sorry. been so long. It's twenty five years by the way I I mean that is true. I want yeah. When you get into your sixties, you have a lot more time to to sort of keep track of nineteen ninety-six where no I. Actually Actually Keith I told the story the other day It's actually even longer than that. Because ESPN re aired the Colorado. Michigan Nineteen ninety-four Kordell Stewart. Hail Mary. August was at espn to see, and then wanted to turn every television off. Because as you know, I'm a Michigan. Graduate BUT I. I was in the building Keith because you were kind enough to offer me an informational Chitchat. Because of our mutual acquaintance Eric Sorenson of CBS. Evening News you were in a fantasy league with Eric and you got my resume tape and you said sure. I'll chat I'll chat with him. He was my boss at one point so. Back. And after that, but yeah, so this is these are the sort of exciting things we can talk about instead of baseball. Well, we may have turned to talk about them instead of baseball instead of a season. I know. Where do you think we all right now on that Front Keith? I think we're in eighteen ninety. Eighteen ninety was the was the year that baseball. Stopped growing as a sport when it was taking over the country, the in the nineteenth century, and the owners tried to impose a salary cap and salary slot system, so that every player got grade, and each grade got a set salary, so they could. Each salary cap had five little salary caps inside. It was marbles and the head of the Players Union at that point was a was a I. Think Columbia educated lawyer and a superstar shortstop named John. Montgomery Ward of the New York giants, and instead of going on strike. He created his own league and all the players left and went to the players, National League and they actually lead in attendance that year, but there was so much baseball and the the the. Players needed some financial backing, so they had to get other guys involved in the process and those guys panicked when they could make money and they sold out, but the national the players National League wedding attendance, the National League in the American Association, which were the incumbent major leagues. Nearly went out of business and the The world series went to. Eight Games 'cause there was a tie and the weather was bad and people were fed up with baseball to the degree that because it was going to be very cold, and there's only drawn a couple of hundred fans for the the The Games of the seven game of the world series they abandoned the world series. The morning of the eighth game called it off. And it remains a tie in the record books. Because people were just so it was, it was a symbol. How frustrated people were with baseball? And I think we're back at something like that because I really think it's actually worse than we have been talking about. Because there's a chance that I think it's an excellent chance. Probability that the the whole ruination of the business, the soiling of their own bed led by rob Manfred. Will have been for no reason. I mean if you think about this. There's still an excellent chance the NBA NHL baseball. Nfl College football. It's excellent chance that none of the sports actually get to resume right? We're having growth in in covert in nineteen states. including some very large ones. California's off the growth list, but it's still still got a lot of cases. We're talking about some additional shutdowns here in New, York, because people over have overdone it and just ignored all the rules. And there's a good chance nothing gets played. What will be remember to baseball? There's no sports this year. It doesn't happen what will be remembered. Baseball will be the astros scandal, and how the owners tried to take financial advantage of the pandemic and fired their scouts and cut all the minor league players and did not. In a business in which the franchises are worth a combined fifty five billion dollars could not spend the money on any of the people who ordinarily would work the games, and then this so genius move. On a proud cornell graduate as you are proud Michigan graduate, you graduate. Take. Out Michigan. Graduate I'm a proud Cornell graduate ROB. Manfred was a year behind me and we're really proud of the alumni association today. The. dulcet tones of Keith Olbermann here on the rich Eisen show. Okay so. Why, why? Keith just the open ended question of why would they would would? Would this be happening? Why? It. One thing you have to understand is what whereas everybody else in the world, but about thirty one guy's looks at this and says. You really have managed to find the worst thing you could do. At the worst possible moment you could do it. But baseball owners and rob Manfred think they are having a tremendous success right now, because the to begin with the best at times with the best measures, the best owners, and the you know sort of necessary peril that makes business sharp,.

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

02:24 min | 2 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

"It's interesting that you know. Colleges tend to look at those sports differently. But the other point about the differences is that there are two types of sports on a college campus, they're generating revenue generating sports, basketball, and football, and their expenditure sports, which is everything else and those two revenue generating sports pay for the existence of those other sports and those revenue generating sports are predominated by black males, Shaun Harper. Who's now at USC did a brilliant study that which he updates from time to time when he was at UPN, which pointed out just underscored for everyone that less than three percent of all graduates on major college campuses are black males yet they make up fifty and sixty percent of those two revenue generating sports, which means back Ladimir point that the primary reason that they're on a college campus in the first place is not to be educated, but to generate revenues via athletics for those unit. You know, we've just got less than a minute to go here. And I know we've focused on the NCW and this last half of the conversation because obviously it's a huge issue. But but Kevin we started by talking about, you know, the NBA WNBA, we should've mentioned the NFL as well. I mean, these are huge or powerful rich organizations. I mean, don't you think that we're gonna see pushback from the organizations as well. Oh, there's there's no question ever since the eight mid eighteen eighties. When John Montgomery ward. As a baseball player tried to organize his his brethren to fight against ownership in management for for better treatment, we've been dealing with this and the WNBA is a players associates is going to be in a fight. We're going to have the NFL agreement expires soon. They're going to be in a fife everyone's going to be pushing back because this is a fight over dollars. Well, Kevin Blackstone ESPN panelists and professor of sports journalism at the university of Maryland also writes for the Washington Post as well. Thank you so much for joining. Us today. Kevin. Thank you Meghna and Robert Keough writer in residence and program curator at upper house. A Christian study center at the university of Wisconsin. He's also editor of the literary magazine the point former division three soccer player at Wheaton college in Illinois, as well rubber Keough, very grateful that you could join us today. Thank you. So very much. Thank you for having me. Great to be with you. I'm making to talk. This is on point..

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available

Good Seats Still Available

02:29 min | 3 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available

"They thought themselves you know why is it the owners that are keeping this when it is us who are the reason that people come out to to see baseball games well let's let's set let's let's segue into monte ward formerly known as john montgomery ward or joan or because he's in many respects i think almost a personification of this shall we say growing collective angst perhaps among players and he's an interesting cat we don't need to necessarily go into his his his his statistics and his background and and obviously he's a member of the hall of fame and all that kind of stuff quite a great player but he almost i it's it's it's very interesting because circa eighteen eighty five right which as you saw my notes i put an exclamation point next to somewhat of a renaissance man in that and human being one of the better players of his day he's graduating from columbia law school not not an a an easy sort of feet i would imagine but why you know so i think that's obviously crucial though to the importance of ward amongst what you just described and perhaps using that that legal education almost homer as has a dare i say as a an inaugural or or initial patron saint of innovation yeah i think that's that's definitely good way putting it certainly for for the sport of baseball he was the the reason now the the primary reason that a union was created in the first place and he was he was such an interesting character he was universally respected in light i mean the you never would read an owner saying bad word about him even in the midst of the players league struggle when other folks within baseball weren't talking to one another or they were just every day when basking one another in the press but everyone loved jon ward i can't even think of a contemporary example of someone who would be as equally well respected he was this gentleman he was well spoken he was well educated he was also a self made man it was his such an interesting life you grew up in in bellefonte pennsylvania near state college.

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available

Good Seats Still Available

01:59 min | 3 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Good Seats Still Available

"Just jumping from from one team to another so when the national league emerged eighteen seventy six it soon developed certainly within the first about five years of its existence as the most successful in really the first successful means by which a group of owners investors could make money off of this very popular sport and basically increase revenues without increasing salary so let's let's talk about that and then we can maybe segue into into the aforementioned john montgomery ward who almost many respects is a microcosm but almost as the emblematic i guess of of the player plight i guess that that led up to eighteen ninety which will eventually get to but you know so maybe you can give our audience a sense of of how the owners started to coalesce around how there were they were approaching talent and the cost economics of talent and these franchises that they increasingly saw as true enterprises maybe not maybe a bit uncharted but you know if you give all right it's a sense of sort of how they approach toward the cost input so to speak of these franchises namely the most expensive part which is of course the players yeah i mean i think there were there three general strategies that i discussed the book that they used in the first was they built these territorial monopolies and with that man is that in the league constitution they said if there's a team in say philadelphia that team in philadelphia can play no other team within a certain geographic radius and and what this did basically is.

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

Only A Game

02:24 min | 3 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

"It didn't work out for the players league but it just might work out for that retired contractor and his wife though joe tomasulo didn't tell them that right away you know you don't want to shoot footer moonlight out of the gate joe says the document signed by john montgomery ward will likely go for fifteen to twenty thousand dollars tim key fend buck ewing signatures are worth more maybe twenty five to fifty thousand but what about the queen mary that letters signed by both keiv and un i clinton even begin to put apply stayed on it i will say this i would be disappointed if it fell anything less than six figures the consignors that retired contractor and his wife would probably be disappointed two did the consignors to tell you at all what they plan to do with the money no other than i think he had mentioned a couple in new kitchen utensils they are we doing their kitchen but other than that no that's joe tomasulo speaking with only a games karen given we'll have links to memory lanes auction which opens on december twenty second and wma cours baseball days game dead ballonly a gameorg you are listening to only a game from npr i'd like to think granny cat for leaving the following review on apple podcast i'm a woman in my 70s i've never been a sports fan i don't watch games i don't read the sports section in the paper but i really enjoy listening to only a game they don't yell at each other roar the listeners there is intelligent humour and the presenters and producers know went to take sports seriously and when to have fun with it i especially love the segment with charlie pierce keep it up banks granny cact will keep the show's coming and we hope listeners like you will keep posting reviews on apple podcast stitcher or wherever they get their podcasts it really does help other listeners to find our show.

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

Only A Game

01:55 min | 3 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

"But things didn't break the other way to field competitive teams both leagues poached players from a third league playing baseball in eighteen ninety the american association you heard three baseball leagues going in none of them could field a really topnotch team so it was sort of like there was two which face ball and most of it wasn't very good the american association folded the players league might have made it back for the eighteen ninety one season if not for but ewing the player manager of the new york team both of the new york clubs were suffering it so the giants have a secret meeting with un after the season ends and they say listen this abed for all of us why don't you just quit and that's just by un dead the to new york teams announced that they would march and play in the national league soon the other clubs followed suit it fell apart extremely quickly much of this story is toll through the documents unearthed in that upstate new york office building from the unsigned drafted the league's constitution to the bill authorized for payment by john montgomery ward for the printing of four hundred contracts but then there is joe thomas who lows queen mary the letters signed by stockholders he's hoping we'll fetched the highest price in memory lanes upcoming auction that one was signed by future hall of famers buck ewing and tim chief on february second eighteen ninety one in it you winging keith call for a meeting to discuss paying off the team's debts and acknowledge as shareholders that those funds would most likely come out of their pockets but wma khor says that wasn't the worst part is souza players league died in louis miracles whos he should fold soon after odors responded by taking full of each of the served close tosalaries.

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

Only A Game

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

"The owner of the franchise and chicago arranged for an around the world baseball barnstorming tour just spread the love of the game and sell sporting goods ward saw an opportunity he felt like maybe if spalding larry or alone on a boat for several weeks maybe i can talk to make a show of that hey the reserve clauses not good for us or for you let's move this game to the future together so spalding and ward boarded a ship bound for hawaii australia then cairo paris and london by three days after they said sailed initially connected what was called the brush classification plan the brush plan was essentially a salary cap players were graded from eighty e top players were grade a and under this plan they would make twenty five hundred dollars which was half of what they earned the year before grade eplayers would make just fifteen hundred dollars and if the voters wanted to they could force the grady player to sweep the ballpark that was very to the news of the brush plan didn't reach john montgomery ward until months later when spalding barnstorming tour reached cairo and if ward was upset he didn't let the press now basically refused to comment he sort of bided his time when the tour reached paris ward headed back to new york telling spalding in the press that he had some personal business to attend to this little law he was very to a broadway actress in his marriage was kind of falling apart in addition he went home to try to deal with his union in this salary cap the brotherhood was furious many wanted to call for an immediate strike ward would say was looked anything it was so do anything it liz so do anything yet what ward didn't say at least at first was that he had a much bigger plan to take down the reserve clause rather them do like a ward off strike right now which would really just poison the fans against him he wanted to get together enough money to actually start an entire.

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

Only A Game

02:07 min | 3 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on Only A Game

"Joe's excitement is monetary he believes that document to be worth a lot of money but i'm fascinated by it because of what it represents let's explain so going back to eighteen eighty nine to make it simple plays back then retreated like me a sheep they were held to what was called the reserve clause which meant that every season your contract would expire and your team would offer you new contract and you can either signed the contract or you'd be banned from baseball that's wma curse by right about baseball history or else rate fiction end this story the story of the eighteen players league reads like a work of fiction because in the late 1800s owners had all the control and they knew it they could pay the players whatever they wanted fine them for anything literally anything there was one that team that was almost insolvent and so the owner started fighting the players for every loss and by the end of the season he'd find them so much that he did he was able to recoup their entire salaries and then along came john montgomery ward he's the only man in history to collect one hundred wins in two thousand hits word wasn't just a great player he was also a really smart guy he studied law at columbia and an 18 eighty five he founded a secret society he called it the brotherhood of professional baseball players it's what today we would call labor union although they were very very careful to avoid using that term because who's pretty incendiary within a year ninety percent of the national league players had joined and the brotherhood went public ward's big target was the reserve clause and he wanted to give his players the right to negotiate freely with what we would today call free agency the owners were wary of the brotherhood at least at first they made a few concessions but then took them back ward needed a way to get close to one of the owners to bend as year after the eighteen eighty th season ag spalding.

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"john montgomery ward" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

KNBR The Sports Leader

02:04 min | 3 years ago

"john montgomery ward" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

"Eighteen ninety as well the players formed what was known as the brotherhood league the players league and this was led by john montgomery ward a hall of famer eighteen ninety and they form their own league because they couldn't get along with management so the player's form their own league it lasted only one year it was underfinanced and it disappeared after one year but an 18 ninety the major league players in the nationally said we've added with you we're going to former own league lasted one year boston one it and then they fell apart because they didn't have enough money and it went back to of being the national league in 19th sixty eight a committee now general william eckard didn't do much is baseball commissioner become the unknown soldier i don't know how he became the commissioner of baseball but one thing he did do and 1968 he formed the committee that investigated the brotherhood league and the players league and they declared it a major league so when you look at the statistics the turnofthe century you do have statistics from the players league of the brotherhood league as a major league sell america does through this it shows up on a baseball field and there's always that connection throughout the history of america and base all right that's my speech today raff agile are very good you know we try to do it each labor day because that tends to get lost we think a bike racers i just saw bike race outside the the studio here a going around the embark a darrow and we've got people love doing bike rides up in napa and picnics and all all that kind of stuff but it really does have a very significant meaning uh to america and to the labor movement and things like that some glad to be able to talk about it and get back the baseball all right back to me and back live here but that's what we did a year ago and and believe it or not the bike races going on outside the studio today it is i don't know if you saw but if you ever an broadway and battery there's a big bike race allow the.

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