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Tennis Great John McEnroe

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Tennis Great John McEnroe

"This is kick ASS news. I'm Ben Mathis support for today's show comes from the weather. Channel television's most trusted source for severe weather coverage go beyond maps and apps and dive into the science and stories behind the storm because understanding. Our atmosphere is the best way to prepare for severe weather every season every storm. Every time you watch trust the weather channel and now enjoy the show comes. Mcenroe nets beforehand out. Goes over toward the photographers. And he's GonNa meet them all eyeball shot at something and do the earphones of ice courtside reporter. That moment in the third set of the men's final at the one thousand nine hundred ninety four. French Open still haunts tennis. Great John McEnroe to this very day. Every time he's in Paris he's plagued by recurring nightmare about that incident three decades ago when he lost his cool at a TV cameraman and the crowd in the stands turned on him shaking his mental game and eventually costing him the match though he would go on to win Wimbledon and the US Open in what was his best year on the tour. The French Open was his bitterest defeat. And the one that robbed him of winning all three Grand Slam tournaments. He talks about it in his new book titled. But seriously and on this opening day of Wimbledon McEnroe comes on the show to discuss that infamous match his legendary temper his celebrated career on the court and his long view of life and of the game. He's played since he was nine years old. Another nine years later an eighteen year old John McEnroe burst onto the tennis scene. And he surprised everyone by becoming the youngest man to reach Wimbledon's men's semi-finals. He went on to win seven. Grand Slam championships including four. Us Open's three Wimbledon championships. Earning fame for his impressive tennis skills. His volatile persona on court and his LEGENDARY RIVALRY WITH BJORN BORG. Mcenroe contributed to five Davis Cup. Titles for the. Us later served as team captain. He became the top ranked singles player in the world in nineteen eighty and continued to finish it number one for four straight years in a from nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty-four in addition to his seven. Grand Slam singles titles. He won nine Grand Slam. Men's doubles titles and one Grand Slam mixed doubles title. These days John McEnroe continues to play tennis regularly on the ATP champion's tour. He has a highly successful career as a sports commentator for both ESPN and the BBC at Wimbledon as well as ESPN at the US Open an NBC and Eurosport. The French Open. He also founded the John McEnroe tennis academy on Randall's island where he continues to play an active role in getting underprivileged kids interested in the sport beyond his tennis career he's appeared in films like Mr Deeds and anger management alongside. Adam Sandler and television shows like Saturday night. Live thirty rock and curb your enthusiasm. He's a musician an art collector with his own art gallery and the author of the BESTSELLING MEMOIR. You can't be serious. And his new sequel to it titled But seriously today. He'll talk about some of his famous arguments with tennis umpires and linesmen and how his temper actually helped his game in his younger years but he says held him back later in his career. He'll talk about winning his first Grand Slam his life after sports and that recurring nightmare about his nineteen eighty-four match with the von Lendl he'll handicap this year's Wimbledon finals give his characteristically. Frank take on the state of the game and a few things he'd like to do away with in tennis. Plus you'll even give me a few tips on how to improve my serve coming up with tennis. Great John McEnroe in just a moment today. I'm talking with tennis. Great John McEnroe. He's written a new book called but seriously Mac. Thanks for joining me. Good to be here. I got to tell you what a great honor this is for me. Tender was a big part of our family. When I was growing up my brother played competitively. I was never that good but my dad was a big tennis nut. In fact I think the last year that you played in the main tour in ninety two I was at Wimbledon and watched you play Agassi in the semifinals. I wish he'd seen where the earlier batches I do too. And not that one. I remember my brother was rooting for Agassi. And I was there and I was just thinking. God I just WanNa see Mac get into it with the Empire that was. That was the highlight with me now. The only difference is they pay me extra four on the champions tour so that's the good news. The bad news is that it became counterproductive in my later years and I didn't play better. Which is really what matters. I mean if you sort of go crazy a little bit and you're able to maintain your focus for the most part. I was able to the early years but as I got older had kids slightly different perspective. It seems sort of weak Are and it was hurting me. Even though I couldn't help myself from doing it anyway I think you say that when you were younger it actually helped you. How does that work? I would think that that would be kind of counter intuitive. Well I guess a lot of the players that I played against seem to not like it a whole lot of from that standpoint alone. That would help if it throws them but for me personally. I felt like it gave me that sort of boost of adrenaline and some energy and some well that maybe hadn't found yet. Yeah just sort of get so into it that you get semi Christ now. Does it bother you that? That's what People WanNa see now and that's what you're known for as much as your skills as a tennis player. Maybe even more well. Probably I wouldn't be speaking with you because the first book I put out was you cannot be serious. Which obviously is my most famous phrase and this is but seriously which obviously is take off from that. Yeah and so. I have to part of the reason I wrote. This book was really just sort of give people the idea that hopefully I have a better perspective and able to sort of Learn from things that had happened in the past and look at the glass half full as opposed to half empty. I mean that's sort of the big lesson for me. I'm not trying to necessarily impart lessons on individuals to choose to read this but at the same time. I think it's important to make the effort. I mean one of the things that I believe is that you have to train. Go out and work out to keep yourself physically fit. It made me feel better as a human being when I get a good workout in I. I haven't worked out yet today so I feel a little bit like I'm not quite right but I also think it's important that you work at trying to sort of look at things more positively. It's you need that type of effort. You can't just assume that your mind's going to sort of as you get older suddenly say you know something I've been pretty damn lucky which is true but you. Unfortunately the human mind seems to sort of go to things that you haven't done that you didn't accomplish that are bugging you now. The and why didn't I do this better? And it and it had happened still to me every day so and I've been pretty lucky so I can imagine that it's even worse for other along those lines. You Open the book by talking about this recurring nightmare that you've had every time that you're in Paris. What is that? Why is that well? The the the one event I think would've elevated me to even greater heights in terms of how people viewed in the history books was the French Open which unlike other sports we do. We play on different surfaces under different conditions. So that if you're able to win on all of them there's just that much more of a satisfaction that you can look at yourself with even more pride and I felt like I haven't really addressed trying to be the best on that surface until the mid eighties and I felt like okay. I got that in order to show that I was the best the best of the best that I needed to win on that surface and I came within five points and for a variety of reasons. Even that match and before and after I'd never won that tournament and so fortunately I was able to sort of get if you WANNA call it a second career and commentating being involved in the sport to still so I go back every because to me. The most fun is covering the big major events so every time I go back there even though Paris is arguably the most beautiful city in the world. I can't help. I wish I could but it seems to crop up. I mean friends seemed annoyingly. Bring it up too often you see it on tv or hear about her. It's talked about. It's hard to sort of avoid it. And then having to accept it and it's it really is a microcosm of in a way of life. You know the things that perhaps he should have done differently. Then but you gotta learn how to at least deal with them and accept it and move on and so that's since it did happen does happen there when I go there every years usually at least once. I felt like it was sort of an interesting way of start the book. Because it's Sorta we're faced with all the time in life anyway. Yeah in the dream from the nineteen eighty-four match that you had with the von Lindell I wonder when you have the dream every year having different different ending or does it ever vary it varies but it always? Unfortunately I was wake up at some point and then I realized I've lost and it's the same damn do you think that there's some deeper meaning or less into that or is it just that this traumatizing experience has been seared in your brain? That's a good question. I'm not really sure the answer is nothing you can change. So that part is over. You can learn from sort of Some life lessons perhaps and learn so that the next time something remotely similar happens that maybe you handle it differently and it doesn't mean. I haven't made a mistake since then I have and hopefully I've sort of opened my mind to more easily. Try to learn from them. That's the key I wasn't very impart of what made me good as I was. I believed in myself and I believed in what win. Lose or draw even if I was acting like an ass sometimes that I thought that that was the way to go and while I listened to people I wasn't sort of taking it in a whole lot and so Sometimes you can get some great advice that you blow off and you sort of wish you hadn't other times you get too much advice so this is all part of life and and trying to figure it out each individual decision you make. I mean it's just say I wish it was easier because I don't think ultimately this is sort of in crazy world we live in and yet it's a beautiful world and so it seems like to me at my this point in my life and having gone what. I've gone through an experience what I have that I sorta Oh it to people to sort of make the effort really concerted effort to say hey. I've been pretty lucky Now I have to ask. Did you ever win an argument with an umpire in your whole career? I don't believe I've ever won. A dozen one hundred and forty five so doesn't it seem like an exercise in futility looking back or how do you look at it there was definitely? I took a course in Stamford an economics course. One of the things we study was law of diminishing returns and this was definitely became less and less productive as time went on because I actually believed the first fifty or one hundred that I was actually going to win an argument and then suddenly thought to myself run as fast as you can run headfirst into a brick wall and see how that feels and after a while you realize you know some. That doesn't feel so good. The irony was that I probably got fifty times. I was find different occasions somewhere and crazy amount of times and in in my day you could almost time it to where if you hit over certain number you would automatically suspension and I was. You're playing virtually every week so in a way you make your own. You did make your own schedule but sometimes if you really felt like burnt out you'd really make your own schedule. You know what I'm saying. Yeah and so I had said something to an empire that had set me over the seventy five hundred dollar threshold. That was going to give me like a three week break which I felt like I desperately need and the night before the final. I was in Australia Australia. And my father my calls me and he says he was managing me at the time. He said you won't believe this. But you could appeal to find back in August in Cincinnati and you won the appeal really the only one I ever one of my guy win at this time so I make sure I went out in the next round and got you know finding again. I know that you must get this question all the time. But how do you think the game might have been for you? If the challenge system had existed around the time. When you are on our I would have been twenty percent better player and forty percent. More more boring to see well no. I didn't know that at the time that was the irony it was. I couldn't believe that people took such an interest in it but you said you were looking back so I've had a little perspective chance to think about this and as you can imagine sometimes people ask me that type a question or what have you been like with the challenge system. Nesta's we'll figure something out. Well you know we'll go turn it some some other place. Sounds like gap so There's ways I I've got the solution that would take it back to that. Which would be the because now they have the challenge system. The players would a call their own lines. You'll get like the trash talking and the distrust and hatred and then you know thinking you're getting cheated by the opponent but you have the challenges and then it would bring the crowd much more involved as well because to me. Tennis needs a jolt. Even we have tremendous players the greatest of all time in Federlal for example and jokey which is not that far behind. It doesn't seem like it's certainly in the states not talked about Nearly as much in the same Way that it was back I mean I admit I'm bias. But it was sort of the heyday of tennis and when I came in all these characters and personalities and I thought man this is incredible because at first I thought tennis was SORTA. I really want to be in that game when I grew up in the country club sport and they want us. Act A certain way. And you gotTa Wear Your Long Pants like bill. Tilden or whatever and you're like that's not what I WANNA do. My goal was to be treated the same way as other athletes. I could imagine that if you're on the hockey rink our you're in the middle of soldier field in Chicago where some of my buddies that I went to college I got to know played. They're not saying hello are you? How are you when they come out of the huddle nearby and yet in tennis if oh my God if we said a bad word the harvest this is completely outrageous? I remember Early eighties there. Was I believe it was a my Miami Herald and they were? They did a survey of like who the most hated villains. Were in the history of the world and it was like Hitler One Attila the Hun to John McEnroe. Three son is. Sam was like what the Hell is. I think perspective is getting a little. What Mussa Cellini five? I'm three and these my God so that was sort of got me thinking and they really don't get it. Are you jealous of what players can get away with now? I don't think they get away with that. You know I think you've gotta wait. We got way more. Oh really you think so. Yeah I think I'd like to throw them under the bus but the truth is I mean you hear a lot of curse words when Murray plays for example and they used to go back and listen to the tapes. I'm like at a second. I mean this guy support the British are all into sort of act a certain way and they God forbid you curse it to win Berlin and and you do have to be more careful there but they I went. I mean admittedly I went off on an linesmen or something but you couldn't hear it. It was like sort of way far away from the empire and that was sort of the point in a way until they went back in this in the tape. Like Oh my God and they don't do that. It's amazing for some reason. It does a little annoying that the Mike Aren't right there. They were when they and these guy. These would call those guys that have this. Stick Boone Mike's Right right right at net and they as soon as I can see right my face as the son of a bitches. Just get it away from me now. They don't seem to be far away at all but now I mean generally I think these guys are I mean I gotta say even in my time. I think part of the reason why again. Then I'm sitting here talking to you about this book is that people relate to me as a human being a lot more than relate to these other guys because tennis is unbelievably frustrating. Yeah and it's hard to just sorta stand there and take it all. Forget the fact that how difficult it is execute on a tennis court the shots and do what you want to do but then if things start going haywire in wrong and then some guy screws you and I read Wimbledon. The some guy in the back would be asleep when the line he might keep them asleep. He might be better that way. Yeah I think when you talk about the dream you're infamous nightmare that you were being thrown off in that match by. What was it like? The the cameraman had someone speaking into his earpiece and the volume was up so loud that you could hear it. You were playing on the court right. Well that's exactly right. And now on the other side as a commentators for example when the recent French Open Women's final was extremely one sided in the beginning for the favorite. And so it's six four. Three love breakpoints the producers already. Oh God we gotta fill we gotta come up you know. What are we going to do? Because it's like a four hour show and we're an hour into the show. Will somehow that person in turning around and winning the match and this is sort of what was happening in that particular match with Landau. It was probably the producer talking to the cameraman. Look when the match ends and when macaroni wiz which to me is sorta that Jinxi type thing you saw. Obviously I reacted pitifully and gave the crowd reason to start rooting against me. And also it probably gave my opponent the infamous Yvonne. Lendl a reason to think hey. Maybe he's not quite sure of himself as he appears to be when he was one the first set which I should have been having won the first set six three in the second. Six two or something like that and then I should have just cruised victory and said I sorted so showed a chink in the armor. So that's something that's is difficult to live with the United. Wear my emotions on my sleeve. Generally and for the most part I was able to handle that but this particular case was a mistake. 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What is it that even to this day seems to rub you the wrong way about that guy pretty much everything but but I have to say I do respect what he brought in terms of work ethic and his dedication and his ability to learn from mistakes because we battled the juniors we. We knew each played them in the French. Open Juniors so it's not as if we didn't know each other and I his circuit he's like Yvonne Drago and rocky for machine. They became one. Which you gotta give 'em credit for the game from a totally different circumstance. In his life. His mother was a Czech player. Checks players have a history of success in Sports. Not just tennis but other sports because it was a way out and so. I'm sure there was a hunger obviously That I didn't have I had to find in a different way. I grew up in Douglas in Queens in a upper middle class environment and joined a country club everything that seemed lame about sort of our sport but it turned out to be a great sport and I ran into a lot of great people. And obviously if you believe which I do in a way that sorta Malcolm glad wells outliers where. It's meant to be whatever reason someone wanted me to play tennis. Yeah I can't figure out why that was an eight and a half. When my parents moved to a different location in Douglaston it was a block away from the tennis court. I'd still go down to the field where we play baseball and football and basketball but after that was done our would go to court and hit against the wall or something and then some guy was there and said. Hey this guy. Hey you should send him to this other place and then that's how that happened. And then I met guys that I didn't know who the hell they were but they turned out to be in a way legendary and influential people to me you know in sort of in our sport had had a lot of success and it was just one thing led to another until I get to the Wimbledon the first time and the juniors on sent there and forty years ago now next thing. I know I'm in the Sammy's Wimbledon. Making a long story short but I walked into their remember the hotel and they had the odds because they're big on gambling there and it was two to one connors four or five to one. Gary Lightest Twenty five to one McEnroe to fifty to one. I'd say God I think I have that good a chance and just have my name. Those three guys was literally like a Dream Come True. I couldn't even thought it could happen that fast and then to want to be sort of get that respect was used and to eventually get it. Yeah you say that winning your first Grand Slam tournament is always a big game changer. Both in terms of the players own head and in how people treat you. What was that like for you? Well mine was a little weird because I played vitas Gerulaitis Carolinas. My friend and I looked up to in the junior's you know I met him when he was sixteen and I was twelve. They don't hate you know. Sixteen year old guys. Who got a lot of charisma and girls sort of falling on them or by eighteen? I was fourteen. They're not hanging around with fourteen year olds so I aspired to be like him in a way. I mean the guy. They rolled out the red carpet when he went to studio fifty four. This is amazing. I couldn't get in. I begged again. I'm John McEnroe. I'm number six in the world and tennis and they'd be like what. What does that mean so it gave me this sort of hunger but also respect for what he did so in a way it was. It wasn't quite what it was what it could have been had beaten say connors aboard because it was against Vitas who we had a like in a way. He had taken me under his wing. A little I tell the story that Even when I beat them that day for the first Grand Slam which obviously is a maze. I'm not saying the Senate amazing feeling but it can be more amazing sort of depending on other circumstances he said to me. What are you doing later and I thought I'm doing whatever he's doing because whatever he's doing a whole lot better than what I'm doing and I can promise you that so That's not easy to do though. If you're twenty four you've just lost the US Open final. We grew up both of us about twenty minutes from the facility so it never happened before and is. I don't think I hope it happens. This John McEnroe tennis academy and Rise Island so I like to sit here and come back on your show in ten years and say got two guys during the files of the. Us Open but the odds of it happening slim and none and yet when that happened they were sort of bullying us in. Because they wanted Borg Connors. Right it was like if Golden State and Cleveland had not played and they the two other teams had played like Whoever THEY BE BOSTON I mean Boston has a name. But let's you know what I'm saying like Boston San I don't know about that. That's not the final. They were sort of pissed that they had put up. And I'm thinking what keeps from Queens for God's sakes why don't we have more Americans at the top of the game these days? We only have thirty minutes for this show. But I'll try to say it in fifteen to thirty seconds money. Yeah the cost of its is even higher the one percent. I mean you're lucky. It's one percent the athleticism that it requires because of the speed of the game of the technology so much faster that you need to be more athletic whereas before tennis players could beat athletes. I mean you want to be both a board was a fast guy oversaw and a tennis court and there was some great athletes. Vetus was a great athlete others. But it's even more athletic now and the rains. You're bigger guys so now. Athletes beat tennis players. Because it's so quick that the tennis players can't even do their thing. There's no there's not as much strategy guys out there swinging for the fences and so that because of that and because of the fact it the cost in the cool factor. I mean let's face it. You gotTa have some of that for kids who WanNa play especially kids in inner cities that you know. They're not gonNA WANNA go as you playing that Sissy Game Forget. I'm going to go play football basketball. Our best athletes have even. I played soccer in high school which I believe helped my tennis. Because it's sprinting. Stopping Movement of basketball is helpful. But if you take the size of a tennis court these as ESPECI- especially in New York City where real estate is at a total premium. They'll stick twenty kids out there. Kick a ball. They pretend that they know what the hell they're doing. And that's easier than when you have to really teach a kid tennis which is a very difficult sport to master and learn. I mean even for the best of the best so That all those things together. The coaching in the nurturing that's required and the way they're going about it to me is a mistake to 'cause they're taking the kids at ten years old and they're saying you can't play anything but tennis now you must focus exclusively on tennis. No I don't think so. I think that's absolutely dead wrong because I think the other sports you you learn to. I mean Tennessee. Route by yourself a lot which is difficult. So it's important to have say teammates in sort of a a release and blow off some steam Build character made. You'll lose it. You'll you'll build some character losing in tennis but you also have other people to sort of put your shoulder ahead on someone's shoulders in other sports which I think is important because parents they see dollar signs in their eyes and then they say okay. I'm GONNA home school. My kids Homeschool your kids. What are you talking about. There are already out there by themselves all the time. Why the hell are you can isolate them even more so I totally disagree with that but a lot of people do that so now you get these sort of kids. That aren't really there awkward and there haven't really dealt with the real world and there's sort of just don't know how to handle themselves. You can't expect them to do that. Yeah and those are the kind of kids. That probably won't deal very well with fame eventually. If they actually do make it as a tennis player they assume it will happen. Because they're told and then eighteen th. They may have some that could be over by. Nineteen Twenty I've advocated and I think it's important now because if you see tennis especially in the men's side but even the women certain degree they peak. At a later years it used to be eighteen twenty eight. Now it's twenty to thirty to say and sometimes even a little longer so why not have them? Experience College grow as a human being. Oh my God. Do you WANNA do that. Be Able to handle themselves. Well the John McEnroe Tennis Academy seems to be addressing some of your issues with the Elitism of the sport. Because if I have this right. You're actually reaching out to give underprivileged kids more of an opportunity to learn the sport in advance and yeah. That's my number one goal five minutes from Harlem. You know it's got a history says say you say Harlem you think of well. There's a lot of things you think you. There was also legendary times there and tremendous obviously history in Harlem as the Bronx. It's mainly New York City. I'm your up in Queens and Manhattan. But that's difficult. It's one thing you know and I'd raise as much money as I and I'm going to continue to try to do. That's not easy. And there's a lot of great causes out there and people think Oh give. Bunny Guy can play tennis. I mean a lot of what we've done is they won't be pro players but even getting a scholarship in division. One school changes our lives and save skew. I think we all know that is ridiculously expensive. College and people can't most people can't afford it. Forget the people that really can't afford it and so that is certainly something that I'm trying to spend as much time as I can to make people more aware and I've gotten I mean we've we've done well and we got people to contribute but I mean if you get a ten year old well guess what that take. Ten years later That money I wish I could tell you the ten grand a year or even twenty would do the trick but it doesn't well your own kids also play tennis in the Book You Include College Essay that your daughter. Anna wrote on what? It's like to play tennis. Nba McEnroe. Now's a famous tennis. Father How do you strike the balance between being a pushy tennis dad and yet still being supportive? Well I'm not sure I did a tremendous job in a way I tried to. I tried to be the best parent I can be. It's the toughest job in the world by far and particularly with this I would have support. I mean I would support them either way. But if they showed that hunger and desire in the will that's necessary commitment to it. I would have encouraged in an allowed that an explained to them. Do you know you're going to get yourself into. Because obviously he's not gonNA just be. How good is Kevin mackinaw? It's going to be. What is the act like? It's his temper like his father. That was my fault zone my my fault that they have to deal with the. Oh Yeah. It's probably partially my temperance. Yeah but years ago when my son Sean was playing in High School Tennis? They were playing at a club. I used to practice at and Illeana Stasi was there and he was on the I corner. I think my son was all the way down to fifth court at the end and he was making a big commotion he was like. Hey shut up Mac. He called me macaroni. He goes shut macaroni and was kidding. He's that's probably macro knows kit. Well it turned out it was so yeah that hurt but nonetheless it's pinner. It's been a sort of walking a tight rope. Needless to say which is why really my kids in a way never had that you know they didn't I mean I don't blame them. I didn't really push them to do that. And I think that would have been extremely difficult because you don't see a lot of that in tennis. I mean name a lot of successful pros at have had sons or and it's a very small list. I've been able to succeed so it's even more difficult when there's going to be all this attention. Paid upon himself. Four six played high school. Tennis one played college. Kevin played for year and he said he didn't like his teammates. You know forget it might. Emily was who's twenty six now she's arguably my best out the best athlete of all my kids and she chose to sort of not doing at all even though she was a way to back because she was the one that was most naturally shows that. Go into dancing for a while. Yeah well you know I found in my family. That tennis is great for a family. You know it's like what do they say? The family that plays tennis together stays together. I was never very good but we always enjoyed. It was a great family activity to this day. I have a problem with my serve. I mean I look like a muppet swatting at flies serve. What did you have any tips for? Well they tip be pick another sport. That's probably good advice. Z. A. Serving people take for granted because they look at John Is there. I mean obviously we grow six inches would help Sampras these all time great service. It's not as easy as it looks. It go hit the ball hundred twenty five miles an hour. I wished I'd do that once in my life so serving is a tricky thing. But it's like pitching if your natural like a pitch. There's certain things similarities and a lot of times people don't use all their bodies so that would be aware of use. Your legs use your core and I got a tip from. My coach was great. It was if you ever hit your serve in the net. That means you're pulling your head down too quickly and if you hit it far that means a balls dropping too quickly so these are like the most basic things that ninety percent of people. Don't listen to so you would greatly improve your service. We're aware that all right. I'm going to give that a shot. Well before we go this episode airs July third the Opening Day of Wimbledon. Who Do you favor going in favor? I mean I think fetters GonNa be the favorite. I think there's about a half dozen guys. They could win it and it sort of depends because I haven't seen the dry yet how that plays out in the next week. Murray's going to have an ability to say have something to say because he hasn't done much in joke which is sort of semi panicking because he's fallen off the map the last year compared to what he was doing. So there's a lot of reasons and then there's hopefully some of these guys like You know the guy. I was working with me los rounded. You got to the finals last year and someone that come out of the blue a little bit. God forbid someone you go okay. It's time for Greg or Dmitrov to finally step up once and for all instead of sort of falling over when these guys SORTA SORTA breathe on him. Certainly make it more interesting. How about for women's women to me is very wide open because screen not there. It's certainly unpredictable. I don't follow it. The INS and outs like this girl asked the pink one. The French I don't recall ever seen her play I was amazed at the way she played that she got away. I mean she'd hit talking about swing for the fences. It wouldn't be the way I would coach. Someone and I was watching and she was down six four three love about to go down. Four love to like a steady person who was three in the world who had more experience. We'd been in the finals. Hal Up and I thought this this is over. It's going to be over then. She turned it around and won a couple games. And I'm like this could work. It's totally anti what I would sort of advocate Sixty four winner. Seventy one unforced our some incredible number but it it definitely gets the other person uneasy so the key to winning this is. I would say is. There's more than one way to do it. And you've got to figure out the way unsettles your opponent the most whatever way that is it comes most naturally to you and so for women end guys for that matter. It's difficult to say because there's not a lot of people these days are that comfortable playing on grass. It's different surface. They only play about a month a year on grass. So that's arguably our biggest event is played on its two or three events leading up to it and Wimbledon. So five we. They've added an extra week. Finally it's five weeks for the guys to get to the end and the girls and that's not a lot of time to sort of figure out a bit of the nuances so they ended up sort of playing the same way so if anyone can figure out a couple sort of moves that the low slice that it was a no brainer. They're gonNA do something potentially yeah. You have no shortage of opinions Real quick what's one thing you would do away with one thing in Tennessee? One thing I would do away with in tennis would be the linesmen. I think that if you had to pick that's not so it's the least likely thing that will happen the other thing. I mean I could name five things but I think that they play for so long that I don't see whether it's not a tiebreaker. In the fifth set Or the third set of a women's fifth set of a man's because you'd they people's attention span is so much less and I would eliminate let's on serve because I just think that's one less thing to worry about it. I like the little unpredictability It's as a commentator as a player the top guys. I could see where they wouldn't want that because that serve levels the playing field well again. The book is called but seriously John McEnroe. Thanks for talking with me. Thanks for putting up with me. Thanks again to John. Mcenroe for coming on the PODCAST. Quarter his book but seriously on the Amazon or download the Audio version for free with special promotion just for our listeners at audible trial dot com slash kick ASS news look for John McEnroe broadcasting live from Wimbledon on. Espn or the BBC and learn more about the John McEnroe Tennis Academy at Sport Time. Ny DOT COM be sure to subscribe to kick ASS news on Itunes and leave us a review. 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John McEnroe on Serena Williams' U.S. Open penalty, and Amy Sedaris shares her favorite thing to gift Justin Theroux

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

28:14 min | 1 year ago

John McEnroe on Serena Williams' U.S. Open penalty, and Amy Sedaris shares her favorite thing to gift Justin Theroux

"Welcome to the Bravo. Clubhouse for the podcast division of watch. What happens live with me? Andy cohen. He can help you achieve your tennis goal in his Jerry black. She liked the pole and the whole it's ovens live with ABC Harrison John McEnroe now. Bureaus dandy code in the bible clubhouse with the woman who elites me and a man who tonight, hopefully, berates me, I love my I got so much. I could just follow her home. And now you can too because our EMMY nominated series at home with Amy sedaris is back on TRU TV say, hi to muff friend, Amy sedaris say. Discuss with one hundred and fifty five career titles. He is considered to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time, not to mention perhaps the most entertaining. Please welcome for his first time in the clubhouse. John mcenroe. This is going to be great. I liked. I mean, it's not very often you can drink on his show. Yes. Absolutely. John is doing the John McEnroe comedy nights. Stand up for a cause benefiting the Johnny Mak tennis project. It's on April tenth at Caroline's on Broadway. I heard you got a pretty good coast this year. I got a pretty good ho co hosts his name is Andy Cohen. Youtube. I feel like I may be introduced you dead. Yes. Sudan at Jimmy Buffett's Christmas party. Yes. That's right. And who else was there wife Patti? Tonight. One of the best parties ever been to in my life because of the lighting and the food and the people I felt like I was part of a secret society throw scrape part does we spent? We spent a lot of dope that night. Andy, we did tonight's bartenders hopefully, drinking enough to forget that he said I have to do Burke's tomorrow say item. I trainer Stanislaw vs. Your arms are huge, dude. Because of the white because your arms a huge. Let's get started. John McEnroe had some connections to the real housewives. Here. You are sitting next to Danielle Staub at a ranger's game in twenty ten. She's Josie housewife here. You are standing behind Kelly Bensimon at a ranger's game and twenty seven, you know, look. Meanwhile, John every time I see you at a party, and I feel like I'm lucky enough to see you at maybe three parties a year three fun things year. Maybe four I always ask you the same question. And that is if you're wearing Bjorn Borg underwear are, and you usually are are you tonight on this show on at eleven o'clock live, do I get to show it show it. Yes. Why? Take us to do this show questions for avian John coming in. But before we get to those. Here's what three things I am obsessed with tonight. I from crafting cooking Amy's always been the consummate hostess, so I hope she can help some of the law souls on my staff, who's hosting skills beginning end with put us draw in wine bottle. Here's what it's time for help us sedaris Amy questions from my staff, I need your answers. What's the appropriate amount of snooping? You can do in someone else's house while at dinner party percents medicine cabinet. Is. Okay. When someone brings me a bottle of wine. Am I supposed to open that for gas or save it you can say that regifter? What what can I do to make an intimate dinner party feel extra sexy? My best friend's moving in with her boyfriend. And I do not approve what's great, passive aggressive housewarming gift talking kitten. What do you do when a guest just what leave after dinner datum for five years to smoke pot in front of my guess, if if not all of them partake, that's a good question. Well, you might not feel comfortable I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. Would you? Yeah. What people do edibles allowing time. Thank you very much. During John dominated the tennis court. And while the times is shorts were short his infamous temper was always shorter. So here's John I want to go through some scenarios that you might find yourself in tell us if you would stand up shout or just stay quiet and sit it out. Okay. Okay. We're basically just the answer. What would you do if you're tennis opponent was over an hour late to a match? I would tell him to piss off. What would you do the fan on the street insisted you scream your catchphrase? You cannot be serious. Do you do it or not don't? Yeah. What would you do? If you're publicist told you to adjust your attitude during an interview if I had one I tell him or her to go we let occurs on the show. We'll be. Yes. Okay. Do if you're Ponant wouldn't stop grunting during a match. I know you hate grunting. I would start imitating their glut. What would you do you watch your Federer came out with an underwear line and ask you to wear them because I know you wear the when I run out with the Borg ones wearing hit. All right. Would you to the fan interrupted a nice dinner date with Patti asking for a selfie? I would probably use that phrase that catchphrase I'm known for. Thank you. Since making doughnut bird feeders isn't considered a sport yet. Let's test Amy's actual swertz knowledge with a round of tennis or bogus Amy. I'm going to say tennis term you guys if it's real or made up, and then John is going to reveal whether by describing the real ones. Okay. Swaddled shank real John Hart believe that's fake. Yes. That is. We're here from. What about a donkey whip? That's real is also real what is that would be like a forehand that you just sort of go crazy with it with a lot of topspin, Amy. You knew that right? Yeah. What about a turt- baller snake? Derp baller is real one. Is it that would be someone who plays better on clay court surface? What about a haring players, right? A Harry's yet eighty I Harry head. That's me are would have to say. Okay. What about a double day devil? Mangles? Jill. Double bagels real. That is correct. What is just someone beat him six? Oh, six. Oh, okay. What about a stain? In the and that's that's our now. That's really. On the port quite what is it? That would be something where you attack a ball and just hit it so hard that it feels like you're spanking. Exactly. What about toss Amy? I'm tosses doorbell. Pickle toss. I'd have to say fake. It's fake though. Thank you. Pickle tosses the doorbell adorable adorable? I you said it's door outdoor doorbell. Aby Marla g wants to know what? Your imaginary boyfriend Ricky is up drinking. We did. Mariner cases, still pending jog about are you still pregnant you are whether you do in June. It's a June baby gemin-. I maybe Germany how far along are you four months? Yeah. Callum john. I lead said Sonja Morgan for the real outside of New York said the two of you once dated before her ex husband. Do you recall this? Yes, I do. Oh, really really happened. I believe that did happen. I rather not discuss it right now. Why? With my daughter. But my wife, I'm not so sure, okay. Let's go to Michelle from Atlanta. Hey, Michelle what your question? Hi, andy. I on my husband, Josh. And I want to mazal on baby. Didn't thank you so much. You're welcome. My question is for Amy Amy. I'd like to have more details on why you think Deepak Chopra is a phony. Yes. Amy was on this show with the Chopra. And she she is. Vibe. You just got. Vied? I just Armas phony is. Me work you feel phone intimate. You agree. I agree seem sort of phony now. Now, I don't know date him before this other person. Also, I just I just feel it. I know let's go to Susan from Tennessee for John McEnroe. Hey, Susan what your question, John? What is your all time saver insult? You thrown on the tennis courts so much. We have in the show down the one that I'm most known for probably my favorite because that's carried me along way. And I get a quarter every time. Anyone says yes, yes, I have a patent on. You cannot be serious. I mean, the fact that I said at once when I was twenty one years old and here I am at six on. And they're still talking about it. I guess that's a good thing. How much? Do you still play still play regularly? I play on the old man's tour. Playing next week gotta match Tampa Florida next week. So I'm going down there to make a fool out of myself. I love playing tennis academy, and that's caused that. We're trying to help to get here in New York City, underprivileged kids can't afford tennis to give them a chance to change their lives and hopefully one day might tennis academy. They'll be US open champion. Yes. It's games. I've everybody. Megan singer. And I'm Eric j MAC where the hosts of the daily dish podcast Bravo's official podcast, Eric did you see the new watch? What happens live game and the my Vegas at. Yes. And it's super cute. You'll feel like you're in the Bravo clubhouse while Andy Walker route you on as you played funds social slot games. And as you earn more points. The bartender will serve up rounds of bonus games like plead the fifth and word of the day. Download by Vegas and play the watch. What happens live with Andy Cohen game. AB? I love your Adam Selman dress. Over here. And you loved McEnroe's book. I read a lot about athletes believe it or not a lot. I really enjoyed your book or appreciate anything about you. Great lawyer those. Let's go to Tara from New Jersey. Hey, Tara, what your question? Hey, andy. How you doing Amy? Okay. What is the best craft or give you ever given to your buddy? Justin thorough o- on. What am I giving Justin? What she never given him anything. Okay. What I usually give Justin is a pad of paper and pencils. And I asked him to draw something for me. A really, yeah. And he does like when Bill we done do drawing, a Bowie or EMMY wine house, or you know, so any loves that. Because he really likes to be told what to draw and so I bring the kit to him, and he doesn't it? Yes. I mean, right after they die. Yeah. Exactly. But when they're living now. Now, let's go for John McEnroe, Kathy question on a skill from one to ten how would you reach dial above performance plane you in broad versus matter would ever Manege. Wow. That's pretty good except for his legs. That's they were too skinny skinny there were like these skinny legs. But is that he wasn't the problem with the movie? What was the problem with the problem with the movies that they didn't involve Bjorn awry in the movie, right? They did a movie without us ever talked to us. That's we didn't get paid a cent. Not that that matter. But we wanted to do the best possible. But how often do you get a movie made about yourself right once in your life. Right. So that was disappointing. But I thought he did a pretty good job, it, guess, what will John you may have already delivered your conic line. You cannot be serious. But you might be saying at one more time because Johnny Mack the time has come for you to plead the fifth. To only one. Yes. In your book. You cannot be serious. You talked about a brief and intense relationship with the very famous older woman. But you did not say her name tell us who was the mayor of the plead the fifth. All right. Okay. Respect the first question Phyllis Diller. I know the answer you made headlines in caused uproar when you claimed in twenty seventeen that Serena Williams would be ranked seven hundred in the world if she completed with men did you ever speak to her privately about that? And if you were to go up against her in a match who do you think would win? Can deport. I haven't spoken to privately about it. And I think she's a fantastic play. Okay. And my daughters, one of whom is in the audience don't think I can beat her. Okay. This present time. Now, I was number one in the world at one stage. But I'm a little past it. Yes. So I'm not quite as sure as they used to be right? Okay. But there's still pantley some interest in me playing her. Okay. So you never know. So what was the question again? It was if you were to go up against do you think you I would I, you know, I've, I've gotta be honest. I still think I have a chance to win. I love that on itunes. Okay. John McEnroe with all the time that you have spent over the many years in locker rooms with tennis greats who was the most well and Dow. It pains me to say this very much because he was one of my hated rivals. And I'm giving them a lot of credit right now. Yvonne, Lendl, really? Wow. It really it depresses me to have to admit it on this live show that shows a lot about you as a man that you could say that I've come a long way in these intervening. Let me ask you this that he was hung. So well did that piss you off even more as it did it? Did it fuel your rivalry? Did did feel. Thank you. Oh my God. Loading the app in the app store now. Oh my God. John Briere wanted to know the best and worst part about having Ryan O'Neal as a father in law where you know. There's no what was it the worst and best game. I don't think there was a best. Yeah. Unfortunately, not right. He happens to be at this particular time particularly heinous individual. Okay. Unfortunately, yes, I guess the best part was initially early on. He has he had a lot of charm once you were mentioning marijuana right settled down a little bit with some of that. Right. Oh, you could relax them a little bit after day of not eating and going in the sauna for hours at a time with his ex Farah Fawcett. Right. So it got a little crazy or maybe a lot crazy. Yeah. It was difficult, but he didn't treat his kids too. Well, either. So that impacted me and kids, of course, was that mean that Phero was your mother-in-law. There was a time. Where technically she was my mother-in-law. Yeah. They were the Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie of their tiny. Absolutely were. Yes. Wow. So it was a crazy time. Wow. Was it? What was Farah like pharaoh was, you know, late, you know, cheese. Also smart a poster when I grew up Charlie's angels, which was very intense. Also. But that, you know, Ryan rubbed up rubbed off on her a little bit too much to. I'm sorry tequila is starting to know. Here faucet. 'cause I love that movie burning bed that she made those choices, and I like that she had she was our tick at some point. About her comes clay. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know something about her. Well, you can watch our after show and Bravo, TV dot com. We still have a lot to discuss and on Twitter, you're gonna notice some of our studio cameras being replaced with the new Samsung galaxy S ten plus. That's cool. It's time for my Muslim of the day goes to something John brought to the game of tennis that had so much finesse movement and dare I say artistry. Yes, I am talking about the hair of John McEnroe roll the triumphant Johnny Mak name. After heads. You don't want our jackal to no one because in just minutes. It is Amy sedaris birthday. You wanna party everybody? Short. In there. We are continuing our conversation with Amy sedaris from at home with Amy says. On TV. John McEnroe is here come see John. On Broadway for stand up for a cause you can get tickets at Caroline's dot com, and it's on April tenth able to. Yes. Behind the bar. It is my trainer Stanislaw. Standi is an American citizen. Congratulations. How many congressmen are there? Do you remember four hundred there's four hundred something. Yeah. Yeah. This is my poor drink what part of the border. Did you get in? Tonight, the Samsung galaxy S ten plus featuring their new program camera has replaced some of our regular studio cameras, which is super super cool. And you're seeing us in beautiful focus from that. Let's go to Lindsay from Charleston Lindsey which question I Mike wishing for aiming. I was wondering with all of the rue reboots and revivals lately, how likely think it will be that? We'll get some more episodes strangers with candy from you in Stephen Colbert family south. We're not gonna do anymore. Strangers candy Kobe's too, busy, I'm older than Jerry. And I don't think we'll do do it again. Probably not. Let's go to merit from Illinois. Hey merit. What your question Haney high? So my question is for John. And I would like to know what was the most bizarre part of being the subject of Andy Warhol, and what were your interactions with him? Like, you didn't love if I remember from your. Was just very weird person. Everything was amazing. So if he just said he liked you a lot you the biggest asshole that ever lived. So it was difficult to gauge where he was coming from. And at that particular time when I knew him in the late seventy eighties. He was sort of at that time in the art world wasn't really at the top of the art world at the pecking order, it turned out that he's one of the if you picked to artists, and the you know that you could in the twentieth century, the two greatest honors now if you ask a thousand people they'd say Picasso and Warhol probably it's wild. So it's amazing. The turn I never seen. It was a little bit of oil in water. But I can't say I was hanging around with just him a whole are you in the diaries? You must be. I mean, the Dr is a little bit. But not a whole lot. Did you did you commission a portrait? I dick emission point for charity. You did. And and was it you is it you or was it you in Tatum O'Neal them. And so who owns? Did you get four? Did you buy four? We actually got two of them. But when we got divorced Tatum said she didn't want the other one because I said, we should take one each right? She said, I'll forget it. Just keep both them. I said catching and. Actually sold one at auction and gave all the money to habitat for humanity. How many years ago this was probably about ten years, and how much did you get then for four hundred fifty thousand dollars? And I bet now you could get why pay for it. But a picture of me and Tatum, but we I tried. I tried to get a third one because I have three kids with Tatum. And I wanted to give each one one each of them, right? Find that. There was no third one. So that's why gave one to charity one still sitting there and the favourite to get that is probably the person that's asked the most is my daughter, Emily, Anna Anna's in the audience. She just found out Emily's getting is right. So she's asking most. But I've kept that one in. It's not in my living room as you could imagine my second and wonderful wife. Patti right. Right. Right. You don't hang that. In the living. You relax face out. Who's your favorite artists to collect your while? If I could pick like a Van Gogh I that but love contemporary, art. I mean Bosque it's turned out to be a superstar. Did you did you how to lot of bus guts? And fortunately, sold them. I have a couple left, but I sold most of them before I should have while, but I still did nicely. Yeah. But not as nicely as I could've should've. Yeah. But I mean, I've done well with art. I love art. I mean, I relate to artists because on are out, you know, on their own as well as comedians, art. Yeah. Always. But mostly Arniston. You know, it's always. Yeah. Exactly. Let's go to Alexa from New York. Hey, alexa. What's your question for Amy sedaris? Hey. You are used to babysit for this girl Ella, and we used to watch breakable can be Schmidt followed by the office every single time. I was there. And so we will love you love you love you. Thank you. You're welcome. So my question for you is what did you think of the breakable commission it series finale, and do you have any updates on whether or not a movie will actually happen? I haven't seen it yet. I've been busy with the baby the baby. Busy, your pay your Theresa of Spain. And Joe heaven I haven't caught up on quite yet. But I hear there's going to be a movie, but I don't know. I hope so. Freddie, s from Charlotte wants you and your brother planned to do any more talent family together. Johnny mak. Sharon j wants to know who do you think is the current best tennis player in the world. Roger Federer is still the best way. Amazingly, his age thirty seven and tennis is like fifty five. This is on in real terms. But can I wish my daughter because it's her birthday her twentieth? Birthday. Eva mackinaw. Amy, Maryland wants no a story about me that you know, that maybe the rest don't I'm sure that you does. She know what it is. She's asking you if there's a store. No. Why I don't think so use you can you think I don't know there was that one time Jason H along the lines of what we were talking about before texted. John just how good did Rafa look in the locker room when you walked in on him. Naked Rafa looked pretty damn good. Okay. Let's go to Jennifer from Chicago last call the night. Hey, geno. What your question? Hey, Mike question is for John. What was your reaction to Serena Williams conflict with the unpire at the US open? And do you think it was sexist since men can have outbursts on the court all the time. Good question. Ed since. Obviously had plenty you were calling that right? I was not calling. We're not. I was nuts. How how how nuts I worked? You would be the person that I would be those here from I could totally relate to what you feel worse. You see you? I call that they called her out on the coaching because they be all the other players getting coach parents. So why all of a sudden did they do it at that point? Okay. Then she lost it. Right. And she was you know, thinking that she could get away with losing it. And and she broke arrack it and she got a point penalty what she deserves. And she knew it. So she went on. And then she started going after the pirate, which I know nothing about but I'll try to figure out what was in her head. Right. And then she thought she could get away with it. The unpire to me should have said look that's enough. If you keep going I'm gonna take a game from me. But he didn't do that. And suddenly did. So I thought it was he went overboard you. Did I didn't like what he did to her? Yeah. Alternately even though she was a lose lose because she up, and what do you think about the idea that women get called out for things that men don't I think that's accurate, and I think that over time people, you know, it's it's unusual to see that. I. Honestly, I mean, you don't see that that often. Yeah, I guess women are brought up differently than men is that correct? Or is that a my going on Lynn there? But to me like, we'll their Email athletes male athletes. I think expectations are a little bit different. But that doesn't mean that it should be always that way. I'm willing to allow it to be exactly the same. Right. You can put men and women in the same term in as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Very good. All right. All right, and John. Stanislaw everybody. Thanks for listening to the podcast everybody. Hope you enjoyed the show. Remember, new episodes? Go live Monday through Friday at four PM eastern time. Make sure you're subscribed. Have a great rest of your night.

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WTA Finals Day 7 - Barty Comes Alive; Faces Svitolina in final; Paris - Djokovic vs. Shapovalov final

The Tennis Podcast

32:58 min | 1 year ago

WTA Finals Day 7 - Barty Comes Alive; Faces Svitolina in final; Paris - Djokovic vs. Shapovalov final

"Hi I'm John McEnroe's onboard this is Martina Navratilova Mats Wilander and I don't think I can ever remember Catherine we're together in fact I sent me congressman because it's in fact in in the whole tournament I it's this time it was Belinda bench who who started to feel it's four one down in the said set and what was a really oh somboon deflated what's videos misery loves company RAFFLED withdrew with an abdominal injury he sustained oh you and she was interviewing going after Novak Chuck Rich just pity was about Novak Facing Miguel you know he he actually seemed to have won Sousse show a short delay of a d I think shop was was ready for that radio show some some of Siham on the ground in Paris I wasn't it's not any kind of thrill just so deflating today's been all for Matt is Matt is was at Fulham bad isn't it cheer off the Universe is pay another time there three after about final of the finals after I set that she was struggling against bench and then pulled the cord at one four down in the third set so that puts Salinas through Switzerland he's got a chance to defend her title and win what would be four point seven million is an amazing match this was carrying appreciably coming out and but he was playing well I thought he was playing pretty well but she just she was getting overpowered matches and performances of the year because of what he did to get back into it first nice to hold onto a serve to lead two one as she brought on Craig Tyzzer coaching major just about trying to mix up the serve it was it was like kick something clicked for her because I don't think please give started for for she was Lou pinballs up high she was hitting dropshot spin off the back foot on the on the baseline another one sort of kind of like a push lob that sort of performance you know one of those that you want to have the maximum audience gin and it was just it was just so nice to see a world number-one to say and she now faces Switzerland tomorrow just giggling highlights Khaliq rough on the Dole press conference will you be commentating what sounds like the Selena ash party have a head to head of five and head all five matches before Miami this year the most recent one was in listen sparty became Bharti he's the way I would put it I like the way you've put it yeah figure out how to beat Cecillia so far because she's I think she's a like shot I watched video on the website they've got six series a bit about but I don't know I don't know their full back story in this ten minute video of being that I'm so close to my my family etc when I won Wimbledon Juniors overseas trip to Europe for six or seven weeks as I cried every night sir this local tennis club when she was five years old and she'd said are you know WanNa uh-huh join even though she was underage but he said and he he's kept in touch with the she wouldn't be doing this now he said doesn't unless she stepped away from the sport How love for the sport would have been broken beyond beyond repair she she stepped away from the sport because she couldn't really deal with the toy as she was able to she said I did buy a play cricket for euro two it wasn't all on me and and if you think about it whenever you hear about so we played really well or it's going really well for us and she talks in those terms and all story we've talked about it on enough throughout the year but it's it's so uplifting into ending about blowing for Australia that is going to be an amazing occasion next week it's is things David Lewis told me I should wash today because she because it's ended is positively on and I'm really really get that she's she's not a dwelling on the past kind of Mike telling it but I get why we want to hear it so I'm I'm glad really put me in the pitcher from her from her mouth really and I on and it was it was all about keeping young players particularly young until expectations not feeling pressured by his butt playing for yourself playing for to direct things in a way that might have helped her a now might help others well about the fact that they really feel in Australia that tennis sports any tennis any young tennis player in Australia is probably use cricket team also Dan Boone Pretty obvious reasons tennis these team sports because there's a kid unless you dull esque desire to recently win everything failing to to a kid so I'm not saying that doesn't happen elsewhere you see the issue cheese tennis kids yeah well she the bench your pick is sorry who do you think's GonNa so that had to hurt I think Bharti of Talk Yep Yep Yeah I picked party David Law Party to win a title the tennis podcast is the the women's final as take finals are playing again shakes away and Bubba restrictive oh what a fantastic but the The token in commentary with Joe Jury so if bench administers one in front of the other I the doubles I got to the final doubles eighty four and so I had to look these days the defeated finalist in the doubles tomorrow yeah this is rich to enter ah 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Tour Nike's Oregon Headquarters from the Air

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Tour Nike's Oregon Headquarters from the Air

"Western Oregon is home to the track that helped make sportswear giant Nike. This is he would feel or track down USA at the University of Oregon in Eugene Including Michael Jordan Mia Hamm and John McEnroe all of whom were also made in the USA still looking for ways to give runners and edge inviting top athletes to train here the Greek Goddess of Victory Epa Companies Beaverton Headquarters Nike Honor Bill Night we started out selling sneakers from Japan but in nineteen seventy one launch their own company Nike named after attention to detail bauer men even cobbled shoes for his runners then in nineteen sixty four power men went into the shoe business with former U. of over in nineteen forty nine a man named Bill Bauer men became the track and field coach here known for her now the campus buildings bear the names of sports legends that have been sponsored by Nike.

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Episode 269: Sendhil Ramamurthy of "Never Have I Ever"

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Episode 269: Sendhil Ramamurthy of "Never Have I Ever"

"The. Welcome to new challenges remaining I've been Rothenberg a very excited to be joined on this week show by Central Rama Murthy, who is a different sort of guests for us not a not a player someone in the tennis world but a big tennis fan and someone. Happy is bringing tennis to a wider world through one of. The big show twenty, I can say not just sucking on my favorite new show twenty twenty for sure. Never have our loud so much the netflix comedy creative I mean detailing and Fisher which tennis. I got a lot of the show though streaming gets in April I. Think I got a lot of tweets from people saying. There's a lot of tennis on this show in Wow John McEnroe's on this show, and it's people don't expect seeing tennis that much in the world and obviously you've done other projects as well before heroes flash back but. This is the one obviously nearest and dearest to my heart and I'm guessing yours probably in some ways to hundred percent. Thank you. Thank you for being on here for small. Thanks for being here and thank we've for having timing changes for Thanksgiving flexibility to everything I'm curious. Let's start with the show. Oregon back with start with tenants. How did you get into tennis earth? I know you've been a player in Stanford for a long time? Yeah I mean. My, My Dad, my dad started playing tennis when he came to this country from India my mom, my dad came here for the rest of their book doctors. And they they came here for their residencies in my dad picked up tennis and. Kind of put a racket in my hands from Beijing to you know there's video of me swing in my my my dad's Wilson t two, thousand Jimmy, connors racket around and. I. Just loved it ever since I started playing kind of taking lessons and doing like clinics and stuff. By the time I was five my first tournament when I was nine. And I wanted and I played up I played ten ten and unders twelve and unders I got to the finals of the twelve and unders and I won the ten and unders and I just kept going. Then kind of a lifelong thing. I've traveled all around playing competitively, it got up as high as number twenty, twenty eight in in Texas and in singles and number four and doubles, and then I started have a lot of shoulder issues as I got older live around sixteen seventeen. It got really bad like rotator cuff injuries and stuff kind of left it for a while didn't really fall out of love with it. It's just like the pain. That was associated with it. I just stopped and all through college didn't play and then I picked it up again around twenty five, twenty six and have just kept going and going I actually just finished playing a match off before I, play in a Usda League in five Oh Usda League and I was I was googling you've just in Tennessee what else was out there before I did find some of your USDA pages like some results or something if you're playing San Antonio. Is You Your name issue. Yeah. That was me I grew up in San Antonio lots. I played all of my junior tennis out of Texas in here spend most of the summers at Newcombe's tennis ranch and or a also played at Texas am You know. Summer. Clint Clinic some leagues there and then Yeah I've just I've just been playing ever since I still play like two to three times a week. I'd say if shooting it's it's difficult but in the downtime I, definitely. My physical activity and you and you played in the urine people who they use K. wrote up when you're playing in the US. Open. To Rip Open playoff the head for well. Yeah. Spots in qualifying what was what was your experience like it was gonna be awesome I was training there I put video up on Youtube actually of me training for it and then I think three days before it started I got the sickest I have never been like the worst flu that I've ever had and I couldn't get out of bed and I had to deal. So. So I never actually ended up playing playing a single match I trained for. Eight weeks for it and Play a single match. Rough. Rough. It's rough rough sport them and a lot of people have a lot of lesson on your shirt tennis. I. Guess. Released my first you fewer playing opposite kid that shows a decent level of ambition. I. Guess Did you have dreams of being a a pro tennis player when you were you're under percent under percent know that it that was what I wanted to do. I wanted to be a professional tennis player just you know sadly wasn't good enough. By a long shot by a long shot you know it's funny because when you watch on TV. You're like I could do that like I could hit like that maybe not as consistently but I can hit but it's a whole different ballgame when you go to the US Open you go to the French Open. Go to Wimbledon you see how these guys are hitting it and you're like I would lose in like six Oh six Oh to the number. Eight hundred woman in the world laugh hands down I struggled to get points and that's the reality. Yeah. That's a good reality check to have a lot people. Obviously, people would watching just don't realize that I'm curious I'm curious you from like from a with your onscreen experience. If you think there are ways the tennis could be shot differently or if someone that we presented more clearly on screen for people that could better convey the feeling of actually being on court at that level dude you're not a geography per se but I'm curious if no, no no because because I was watching I guess they didn't really say the exact location I guess they were trying to keep it quiet or whatever but. It was in Florida Oh. Yeah. The UT are event. Of that. Yeah. Yeah. The and they had a camera that was kind of like it's seemed like it was on a track and it was going at court level and you could see the action that these guys were putting on the ball. I was watching a tennis sand grin and forget who he was playing, but you could see the action and you. Could see how fast they were moving and it is. It's next level and I wish that you know because I think in the like certainly in the slams like Indian Wells whatever when you're watching it on tennis chancellery. SPN They've got the camera in the you know it seems like it's in the stands really and certainly at the US Open like at. Arthur Ashe Stadium. They'd got the cameras up there. Yeah. They've got the guys on the side, but they've got the guys up there because it gives a great angle of the whole court but you can't really see the action that these guys are putting on the ball and to the ut our events, and even for Adria tour, they were doing it that having it at court level where you're not necessarily seeing the faces of the players, which is I guess why they they want it higher up but you're seeing their feet and I care about their footwork and the action that they're putting on the ball. That's when you see like, Oh, I can't do. Anything with guys are doing like not even close it's and I would prefer that camera angle it's something I don't know if you're an Sarah Listener we I did a show up this morning rally haven't heard yet with Louisa. Thomas at the end, we were talking about opportunities in these empty stadiums are going to have the US Open this year to put cameras different places to put them not just where. The mounts are put them in the front row of the seating boulder other places which are usually great vantage points to watch tennis that are normal totally blocked off for spectators. You could put some cameras in there and get some pretty pretty cool stuff people absolutely and you know who does do the BBC does do it sometimes? Are There Wimbledon, coverage the they're like you know in those little hovels where they put. People and you get that's those are the camera angles that I like like I I know what the players look like our need to see their face like I I wanna see I, WanNa see that but. I have not heard the latest one but I heard the one before the Martina Navratilova with. Glenn Greenwald Oh my God. That was amazing. I. Loved Love That podcast I mean I've been a fan of just from his political stuff in you know the what wicky leak stuff and all of that and I had no idea that he was a that. He was a tennis fan and I want that movie. Yeah. That'd be pretty good right? It would be amazed he he. He was in I. Remember the first time he tweeted me it was about some watching. He was watching some android Petkevich match or something in tweeted out and I was like it's a triple check to make sure it's actually made no sense this guy with. A million followers fighting extradition from thirty countries at a time. Time in his busy world breaking life to to make to sit down to watch the. Pack of IT Yeah in Charleston or wherever I don't know where it would term it was but some relatively minor tennis event he was watching thought that was pretty cool. So yeah. Yeah. Definitely adding you to the Pantheon of unexpected people here to be on. No, I'm happy to be there. So So never have I ever. This was this your first onscreen role that actually involved tennis in any way that had a nel did I did a movie that I actually produced and starred in in two thousand thirteen it was called Brahman Bulls. Okay. It got like a ten city released in the US and then I on Amazon still. Okay. That was the main thing. The main thing when I talked to the director, he wrote the role for me as he got a potential. So. There's a play tennis in the in the film. Dow. Is Like my dream I was like I'm too old to like I. Don't make tennis movies and when they do they make Wimbledon with two people who clearly never held racket before and I found. It's physically painful to to watch the movie and I. I love Albania an actor as well, and and you know Jonathan Rhys, Meyers doing his thing but it's just like it was just really obvious that there was. There was no. I'm mixing the two a matching mixing up match point which was Jonathan Rhys, Meyers very clear that he did not play tennis but you know it's. I want there to be a tennis movie, a proper tennis movie, and they've got to get somebody who can play. That's the problem the Billie Jean King thing the battle, the sexy envy that was probably the best I've seen that I can think of that's coming to mind where. First of all, there wasn't much tennis right in it. So I guess that's the key for sports movie not a lot of actual like again, not a lot of actual playing. Yeah. But you know there are tennis players who are I you know I've I've played with Matthew Perry we played a he he was a number one junior in Canada Matthew Berry. and. We played a like a charity doubles matches me and Matt versus Jimmy Connors and John Raj. which was Probably the most humiliating thing that either one of us has ever done on imagining it was it was actually broadcast on the tennis channel. This is like six or seven years ago, and they started to coaches in the middle of the. Like and these are two guys. Each had double hip replacement surgery and. Guys. They were schooling us. They were like that that muscle memory they don't know how to miss especially when they're playing guys like us like our leisure it was it was unbelievable and they started to coach us in the middle of the match like during the point because we were all, we were all miked up. It was in Calabasas and. And they started coaching US and everybody was like laughing again we went with it but was just like Oh. My God, this is awful. Better, than they'll turn it of going out there with those guys and they can't play anymore like you don't. You WanNa go the cord Jimmy Connors. You want Jimmy. Carter's still do things make you go. WHOA. That's that's still Jimmy Connor Code and he he was hilarious because his competitiveness is like there's there's nothing higher. He he we were in the green room waiting to go on and he in all seriousness and for fifteen minutes made the case that Bjorn Borg won all those Wimbledon titles because he had the worst volley in the history of tennis and he's like you hit it and he just dink it over he just drop it over the net and there was like no defensive guy so he won five wimbledons because five. Because he had the worst Bali ever and he believed that I would not was of true belief of his like all right I'm not going to disagree with your Jimmy Connors. You Got Eight slams, but it's that competitiveness I don't think ever leads the these guys and alternate war stories and old bitterness is about, Boston? Deserve. That doesn't go away for these guys are now now that became very clear when i read connors is autobiographies. A Lotta scorekeeping in his life in various. For sure. So you mentioned connors bring me to John McEnroe obviously he was a rival of his back in late seventies, early eighties and into the nineties as well. I don't how much they played in the nineties but John McEnroe's a big part of this show and I saw another interview of here's the thing that you were. Ballboy wants yet for it for a determined Texas where. In. HOUSTON. Okay. It was in Houston, and you bubble for for John McEnroe for John McEnroe's remember who he was playing. But yeah, I ball boyd for him and he. Broke racquet. Racket in the basement. And it signs says a best best of luck. John McEnroe look a CR- cracks and yeah, I mean, you know he was that that was obviously just a huge draw for me and I wanted to scene with them but mindy was like, no, you can't have a scene 'cause spoiler alert your characters debt. I'm not sure when I told him about the shove how people tell that or not because it's a spoiler but has like the first ten minutes of the series I two minutes. Yeah. When I read the script is like Hello I'm dead on page three like what is happening here? Why did you send me this? Mindy was like, no, no no you're gonna through the whole throughout the whole thing your presence throughout the whole thing and she was like I know your tennis nut and we got John McEnroe to to be the narrator and he's going to have you know he's going to have a scene. That's part of the deal is that he gets he gets to be in the scene and because Mendis parents they were huge tennis fans and particularly her father and her father's favorite player was John McEnroe and so mindy saw. Johnny Mack at the Vanity Fair Oscar Party and was like I'm doing this show and I've got this idea for you to be the narrator. Would you be up for it and he was like lutely. So that's how it came about. They literally like decided to do it at the Vanity Fair Oscar Party. Wow. Yeah. I was curious if you knew the Serb because it's obvious if you watch show Davies sort of her obviously in the show her father's big McEnroe fan of tennis fan and McEnroe specially, and so that's A through line to him, and also she has these anger issues, which which which are, which are seen as parallel to a lot of McEnroe's personality So yeah. So I guess for free and you've worked with Mindy previously on the office which also fan of Mindy. Also, as I was excited for the show, even knowing who has an honor because I've been nerdy enough at the office look episode sheets written and those can hurt episodes or like some of the best across some of the best somebody who's right. Yeah absolutely. Absolutely from Dundee's whatever else Benjamin Frank? Ben. Franklin Lot. More. But like her yeah, as a writer I think she's incredible. Embassy. Owed the exactly. Kills me every time. So I'm curious for you like when you get a role about tennis like how much is it? Feel even more natural to be a tennis Fan Guy Watching TV. Do you still have to to develop a responsibility to explain your love tennis could tennis doesn't get a lot of? I'm sure you're somebody who sort of. Proselytizing or preaching about tennis in your time in your own ways like tennis doesn't get a lot of to be on big TV show now big moves or anything like that. It really doesn't would you think of the opportunity to have tennis in these multiple different threads of tennis in the show? Oh, I thought you know I think it's huge because I I think that you know there's plenty of basketball movies. You know everybody knows hoosiers everybody you know all of these video of football you know any given Sunday you know you've got there's so many of the American Sports Baseball, Bowl Durham. You Got Major League at all these movies you can't really name a like. There's very few tennis movies or TV series that I want to mention because I don't want people to go and watch Wimbledon or go and watch match point and think that's what tennis is because you know what tennis is like a fiftieth most popular sport in our country like all of our best athletes go to basketball baseball football you know those those were inside for sure. Absolutely. Certainly on the men's yeah on the men's side. Yeah. Because for the the women's side you know are are women the US women are you know unbelievable one not even just talking about Serena and Venus near the people coming up you see cocoa golf you seek mcnally's all these people coming up. It makes me very excited for women's tennis in this country whereas on the men's side yeah, we've got like Chiasso coming up. We've got like a few youngsters coming up but I don't know I don't know like the breakthrough player from me. I don't know that he's here yet I don't know I don't know. I hope. To get the kind of McEnroe Connors kind of level player again. I. Think you're I don't know that I see a one super confident being that that's obviously a very high bar to set. Don't know that I see somebody that level right now and yeah there's just a lot of other options for boys and it doesn't. It's not seen as cool and there's different threads of it whether it's not on TV I think there's a lack of like. Great tore through the stimulating video game is. Like Tennis Video Games do not have their act together at all as I know this today like in terms of getting rights or whatever. There's a few that like okay. Elements in different parts even like Mario tennis or something has hillman's but nothing that really is anything equivalent to like FICA, which has. Done a lot to make sock popular or whatever various NBA Games have been hits and. I guess. The most popular that I can think of is like we tennis that that that was popular for like. Fifteen seconds and then the Second Avenue fifteen seconds. But that's it. You know and that's right. You know I I never even thought about that is that is the way forward is to have a video game. It's a big one. It's a big missing more than more than a movie more than a TV show anything if you got the kids into it through video games than We're going to have like the number one player in the world on men's and women's side. But TV is another thing that I didn't do things important I. do I've played mother played a kid was better at tennis hockey. I saw and I saw I was just old enough to where I saw the arrival of more more kids after the mighty ducks movies started coming out. And that was a big big driver of kids to play hockey was the mighty ducks movie Oh and so that like I feel like there is a moment, tennis could still have through some sort of way or even just whether even just making it cool for parents to Washington parents get their kids into doesn't have to be directly maybe to the kids but hopefully, some some more things like never have I ever in the culture so to speak, yeah, can't can't hurt that I. Know. I agree working with saving seen John McEnroe close in person. On court in Watching TV on-court. He's done a bunch of different things on screen in his post. Playing career is confident with fantasy, but it's not of like I watch a lot of thirty rockies at a ton of rock can't did a lot of thirty cameos. Shows as well done a couple game show hosting kind of things as well. I'm curious like when you see his onscreen sort of charisma, how much do you think that's exactly the same skill set or personalities on court charisma and his persona they're and how much is the tapping it something totally different. How much is that a shared thing showed entered is it's definitely shared on i. mean he was he was very much himself like he was. He was actually slightly annoyed while we she was only on staffer that for one day like we had like six hours and then he had to go and I was on set that day and he wanted to be like in shorts and a tee shirt type thing. But they had a wet suit like going about to go out surfing and it was really hot. So he was not like super happy about that anyway just because he was hot. So he was like a little. Order he was. He was he was John McEnroe like it would have been weird to light go and meet him and talk to him and Kinda like having be this like super. Nice you Daniel Guy No, it went to work. So he's he's he is. He is what it says on the tin mining weather when you meet him and like he brought that to his to to the role as well up for sure it's something that I've known a senior I remember even the first. Thing I. saw him play in person because I was obviously not really around during his main plank road I saw him at a world team tennis match Gosh like Oh eight or nine or saying when he was long retired but still playing and he was still really competitive like genuinely getting mad at Umpires in mad at calls like annoyed with his teammates for letting him down like various things like, wow like it's sort of a little scary that it's not as he can't. He hasn't. found. Peace. Even in his you know I don't know if he was probably fifteen at this point like, yeah he's fire is still in him and it's still very much who he is as very very much. He only knows turn it up to eleven like there's there's really I mean, you I I I loved it when they were showing him You know coaching against a Borg at the Labor Cup like he had that same fire that same you know yelling everything as the coach. Of the Labor team I mean that's that's just who he is. You know and and obviously it served him really well. I don't there's no point in trying to change that because. For the most part he he plays himself certainly when he's going on these TV shows and stuff I don't know if you caught Serena's law and order always the basketball player I think. Players. Got Like the greatest tennis player of all time playing basketball. Okay. Fine Fine. But you know she wasn't playing herself and maybe that was something that she wanted because she she wanted to you stress yourself. Isn't that talk about that a lot you know fifteen twenty years ago in her career she wanted to act more as she wanted to do different things at tennis was. going. To be a short term gig for her and yet here she still is her and it's playing. You were saying you watched that match Oh. Yeah. Her in her three and Venus thirty first match in one of their most unique matches obvious. Sleeping in front of like no fans in lexcen. Yeah. The second round there was actually really good and we can was amazing life. A little bit of Russ but for the most part like. They were moving amazingly well I mean the three said a fair like it was it was really really great I I enjoyed watching I'm enjoyed watching all this tennis I know like. We. We came into each other's orbit because of the COVID tweet, but I kinda almost feel bad because I watched all of it. I thought it was so wrong but I watched every single match of the Adria tour you know I watched every single one I want dominant team do his thing like I was watching all of even though I I guess it was in Germany or something the bedding somebody under the bet one which was actually. A. Mattress Company or something does she doesn't have to do with bedding just thought it was a betting come I. thought it was I was like what is I thought? Usually there's like some rules against betting in tennis sometimes. Seems. A little flagrant but I think don't quote me on this folks on the air here I think mattress company or something I'm not sure but it's not not gambling pretty sure that at least. Yeah. No I was I was watching. All of it so I don't agree with it. I don't think they should have done it but I was I was definitely happy to watch tennis I'm curious. I'm curious what you make of just sort of you know I. Think People Probably Equate a lot of like what athlete behavior like through typical movie star behavior is like in terms of having entourage in terms of having maybe egos about themselves or like being self focused or self-centered whatever positive negative connotations that can have. For competitor performer and I'm curious what remember you have you had one of the tweets of yours is about you know ripping obviously who is out there after eighty tour partying you only supposed to be in quarantine in some like beachside Monaco totally shirt off exact just like just like doing like. So seeing that I'm curious what you at all. These moments have changed perception of of protests at all our players in it or what? What the moments how they're rising not rising to the occasion. Yeah I mean it's it's it's I've thought about this a lot actually and I think it's it's it's difficult because to get to where they've been to get to wear dominant teams fair of Jock Itch. Obviously, you know one of the greatest of all time they have to have such belief in everything that they do in every facet of their life whether it's you know tiddlywinks they're going to win or they think it's right or whether it's you know. The Wimbledon final or whether it's organizing the Adria tour, you know and day just bay go into everything with the belief that what they're doing is right and what how they're doing it is the best way. and. It's really difficult to I think it's really difficult to change that but it's people's Health I. Mean People Are Dying hundreds of thousands of people are dying and I think at that point, I would hope that even somebody with the biggest ego. Could shelve it for a little bit and just. Put other people at risk like fine if you don't care about yourself. Fine. If you think you're invincible fine if you are in top. Physical condition. You never get sick or whatever, but you've got people I mean I saw maybe a handful of masks in the entire A. Stadium at for the Adria tour and people were packed in like sardines. There was no social distancing there was nothing in it. It actually made me anxious watching it. I was watching this because I was so anxious win. They were hugging at the net and shaking hands on the ball, but the Balkans all of it me so. Anxious, but it was like watching a train wreck. You know you're just like you don't WanNa, look at it but you're like while it's chocolate bitch watch it's like you don't know what to do and it was. So it was so like unapologetic in the way it did everything basically it was just like it was. So clearly committed to the saying like we're not a part of this pandemic or we're not. We don't. We're not flinching in any way we're doing this and we're exactly into it. Yeah which which made every other event being it'd be like had. Be like no no, we're better than Asia tour because we're doing this this and this made it like it was such an extreme example that everyone else got to dismiss it because it was you know not comparable what anyone was even thinking whether other ventilator on good ideas or not, and I think a lot of them can be debated on individual merits or even just as thought idea which playing much of any protest during a pandemic. But your Adria tour with so so far to one extreme that of a spy, but also the the. The apology the the FO policy afterwards it was such a sorry. Not Sorry I mean it really. But from both from from Jock itch and from dominant teen Dominic team sorry. Not Sorry was was you know it was just like I'm GonNa do what I'm GonNa do you know and dominant team does do that I mean do you see him? He's rocking the frosted tips Holler I was like what's up dummy like right? Like he is not afraid 'cause that isn't that's not a great look. May May. There's different metrics for frosted tips and cars in Austria I think it's probably I think there shouldn't be any metric for frosted tips I mean if you're gonNA pop the collar I guess off the collar I know Nick Heroes does it every once in a while but the frosted tips a bridge too far I would I Applaud that look now. Yeah, that's a lie. Yeah. No, it's interesting. Galvin's of his not apologize. He's not. He's not nothing that. So we'll see how it comes when they. If they do all show to US Open and they start doing press conferences, they get asked about. Where we at with that because jockey vicious, just announced that he is GonNa play for coming definitely not yet. I think the ones who are playing Cincinnati start coming to the US recording this on Friday the fourteenth they are coming to the US this weekend I guess Starting on. Monday. So right, they will be I. Guess a lot of them have probably slipped I won't play the top top players until Tuesday. But yeah, they're I've not really you know. I don't. Throw those things I don't think the US Open. It's happening because he was sincerely ready I think it's happening because it's late August. This is when the US Open happens and it's sort of entrenched in the. In the calendar air and they wanted to hang onto their dates and they think they can do it I think it's you know pushing it to I'm used to have this big international flotilla people coming in bending all sorts of quarantine rules on the way in terms of getting travel waivers and whatnot but it I think now it's it seems like it's happening. It be a very, very late cough with a lot of I think a lot of athletes already are in the US and already I think they are. Yeah. Yeah. So it's yeah this point it's it's happening I was pretty doubtful I was I think e. Even through four weeks ago I thought there is definitely less than fifty percent chance to happen. But what what I don't know is what what is the protocol that they have set up if inevitably somebody in somebody's either player or or somebody on their team? Is GonNa test positive. Like They have they have rules that you sent to the players and I've seen a copy of unhappy to send you a copy throw after the. of saying basically like there if you're someone if you test positive out of the US Open I, don't they have a provision for a second test there have been some false positives that have come in various arenas I. Yeah. They're going to have customers you anyone your team does that and also now they have a stricter code of conduct, which is a big thing. Okay. Where if you go out and you know Are caught breaking the bubble. They have much more enforcement which they were originally had this trust policy of things in I think is very of honestly with the one who showed that you can't you can't trust people to make their own smart positions because I love I love cheerios calling everybody out he just not afraid I, very rare that I agree with nick curious but the was on it. You see his dear tennis. Though Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Good for him for him. To do is things I'm curious for you what tennis player curious this answer maybe not which tennis player you think after seeing Macara's transition to being delayed different things. Art Collector in all sorts of other stuff doesn't left to being onscreen which current tennis person do you think would be the best sort of? On screen presence now, who would you most want to in like you know ten years who you think as as a Commentator role or like doing I mean more doing what you're doing doing what I'm doing hump. That's I mean honestly like I could see Serena giving it a go after she retires like I could see her you know wanting to do something like this I think curious would be great I. Think you know a lot of the the the the characters like some of the like who I think it'd be great if somebody like Pablo Cuevas. If he because he such a showman on the court with those crazy shots that he hits like you need to have that flair or that the that the Africa the after Calorie and he he has that you know I think he would be great. I think Diego. Schwartzman would be amazing because he's a showman. He plays up to the to the crowd and I love that he hits an amazing shot. He'll give it this. You know he's doing his thing like it's got to be somebody like that. Cuevas who is somebody? Who can imagine if people pick him? Because he's a little bit obscure outside of your. But if he somebody's he gets in the rotation, guys who play like the legends doubles events Grand Slam. TB. So good at that. He's played a little bit of doubles. He's got some results I think probably needs to and I do have some technical cutoffs while you have to do to get into those events. But yeah, he's a super super charismatic guy as a good deep pick I'm impressed but I think I think I think him 'cause. Speaking the legends tour like he's the, he's the next What's that Guy's name Ronnie? Bro Yeah. Mantra Jeremy. Yeah, Muster Bromic, he's the next one like he's he is the logical successor. For sure I love watching him plays crazy but the tremendous show and then so unless thing there would be like a tennis story. Something you think is worth the of putting their real life story if if there is one of layers career of a of a moment in tennis UvA. Incident I don't know something that you think would be worthy of turning into the next Great Green Dennis movie I think that. She obviously is accomplished so much in the sport like it's not like she's lacking from accolades but I think people kind of because she hid her emotion so much on court and. was just so. About going. There's a story with Chris Everett I would love to see a Chris Everett Story Obviously Martina you know from your from your previous podcast was like God, i WanNa, see that movie. So badly, I want to see that movie. So badly 'cause there's that that natural story coming from an eastern bloc country coming over here you know that lends itself to that. But I there's something for me about people who just Dogged who just 'cause that's Kinda like how I see myself on the court certainly is like I may not be the fastest or the strongest or the, but I just kind of try to fight for every point and that's what Chris ever did and I would love to see first story kind of pursued either in a like a kind of narrative sense or like A. Last dance type situation Okay. You know for for her that would be to me that would be awesome to watch I'd watch every episode last dance I feel like i. feel like Williams's have to have sort of last dance moment at some point. Definitely. The most like obvious flashdance kind of thing I mean there was Serena pretty close. Yeah. She had HBO thing on Hbo Yeah I watched every episode and I thought it was amazing but you know it's I don't I feel like she doesn't get the credit that she deserves for what she accomplished because it is it is absurd what what she did and like the win streak that she went on and I mean it's it's it's unbelievable and I. Feel like she should get more of a more shutout for that. So if I had to pick one person, it would be it would be Chris Everett. Yeah that's a good yet not Chris ever definitely I feel like the kid I feel like Martina for whatever reason has more sort of lasting people talk about her more as a player. Chris ever even the similar numbers as sort of overlooked the more because March soon, only stopped winning slams like. With with Leander Paes is a great God. What are you doing? Now is only like whatever maybe ten fifteen years ago says, she's very much still in people's. In People's heads. Yeah. That's a great pick and thank you. It's been great talking to you overall across the. Thank you very much scandal for oh you. Have, you have you been able to play used to play tennis relatively uninterrupted during this during the time I know. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I play at the John. McEnroe ten Scott. Oh sure. That's that's that's the club that a there's like five of them I play two or three of them, but they were shut down for a while and obviously they just they took the bubbles down because you can't do indoor tennis and now we basically go you play with. Separate balls you mark them there's a hand sanitizer all over the place on the court So it's you know it's a it's a, it's a sport that you can play socially distance and. I did there was a big break I couldn't get on the court I went and I head on the wall in the park I was just hitting on the wall and now we're back into full like USDA league matches go. Irons tennis like as much as I. Think it's like the toughest sport to the pro level back to where it was in terms of travel and everything I. Think it's GonNa be really really hard and so it's so disparate and everyone has their own travel schedules globe-hopping constantly from a recreational level. It's Kinda the best told Yeah. In terms of ball sports at least 'cause you're far far apartment people especially singles. You're not really any danger of with Henderson Golfing. That's it. Awesome benching. Thank you very much. Thank you for listening to NPR and for supporting the show all these man I'm all over I tell everybody to listen to I've got my whole team listening to NPR. Now tremendous the all of us are listening to NC are we text about it back and forth totally going to be listening to this tell Courtney I'm sorry Mr I know she started on a few to ream also big venues he sends her as well. I'm sorry. Mr To police say hello to both of them and. I'm excited I'm excited that tennis is back said to have it back for sure we'll. Yeah we're can do more and more shows it got to figure out what use open NCR coverage will be like now don't really hadn't really been gained planning for that but now we got to do during a pandemic coverage of a Cast we'll see. Figure it out Ben. Thanks appreciate it either take care have a good one too. So thank you very much. Once more to send Rama Murthy for being on the show today and thank him for listening. Thanks to all of you for listening to NPR as I mentioned there at the end Courtney I are Gonna I according are going to do is show the two of us for a while original flavor NCR sometime soon, this week to look forward to that before tennis restarts talking about what's happened in Tennessee's last few weeks and we have some real tennis actually. Discuss now and also then we're wondering what to do about coverage for this US Open. This will be our first time covering the US Open remotely each of us, a grand slam remotely in a long time at least for me in the history of NCR at my Yeah. More or less. That's true and so yeah, I'm curious what kind of stuff you guys would like Mr in the US Open? We could do more shows me usually can probably have not sure what the workload will be lake might be more you less who knows. It's going to be different. So if you've suggestions but what you'd like from us for the open, that'd be fantastic and we'll take those any suggestions at no challenges. 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WTA Finals Day 5 - More Shenzhen misery, but Shapovalov cheers us up in Paris

The Tennis Podcast

33:26 min | 1 year ago

WTA Finals Day 5 - More Shenzhen misery, but Shapovalov cheers us up in Paris

"Editon is podcast listeners is at one month since Katherine Matt and Myself Got Pisano's but yes yeah oh it is sleek Hi I'm John McEnroe Schoenborn Donovan Alexander's verify delayed us because they got involved in an exciting match Matt Roberts Hello and myself were all watching it and having authors refused entry into history exams and Matt Roberts well leads of other stuff to talk trail more sadness kid is a snow I mean it's always a risk with end of year events but it yeah I mean I have run out of I mean it's a good job that Hanane is now going to have to replace the current rescue who officially any warning she was five three against Belinda bench everything was because she's sort of slightly Winston held held the lower part of a back but the girls when she pulled out of the second round and she and she had a really bad gastro intestinal she couldn't bend down fish fish shorts what she was struggling with I seven five-set felt a little bit out of the blee but I suppose not in the context of this the tennis isn't it it it was it was I'm sure a lot more safer it kind of buried it but it was yeah I mean she went winner there at the time not employable the tool that had she not even more distressing moments of the of the two thousand nine hundred and season be the champion and then about an hour and a half later when she lost her first match completely cut multiple Sunday delimited suggests that maybe Sutphin Kenan might win it just goes you the semifinals literally they hardly the last four players who happening in the ATP finals which has happened more the actually it's too much to do with the sense that they play it slams full-time year applying every week since the US Open I mean it's it's not it's not totally surprising rarely Asia and Europe she's going back and forth in that time I mean I think she was they're on these planes with all these must be pretty unhealthy circumstance so before that we had who else plight ghost flight Addison's and I mean she she basically folks that up she took over and it did outweigh the performance there was nothing of that today was that she was clinical she was ruthless other she spectacular drop off against buttons a couple of days ago fill all the more inexplicable because it was prices were biting into the call it was great I mean convertible was it just had enough if the whole thing you know remember I I particular indoor conditions on but it was just a whole studio Joe Julian and Catherine we're going to town on it because give them summit to work with at least make even at least make it medium if you're not gonNA make it quick it's certainly would have helped a more level playing new tennis courts to know whether it's an exact signs in October two thousand nineteen or whether it's ls have you know let suck it and see type thing I'll say thank you also get players going on a court and disagreeing about whether it's quick in Te- tennis court Zora saying hey we wanted to meet him talking yesterday Catherine I think about convicted for being unable to hit through the courts and I was yeah yeah and Jim Courier said he thought they'd slowed it down for John is ner which is one of direct people talk about come to slowing down or speeding the coal if they wanted to but yeah I was really his tennis is often considered to be pretty much the best when she's on most of the time you on a tennis court and you play average thinks she plays I don't think she plays that that more standard level while she can qualify for the finals as she does consistently but it's not necessarily before the semifinals because tomorrow is Lina which is no relevance really it's an exhibition floor engine show doing anything in your life that where the stakes were four hundred and fifty ground back to you know what they should do the maybe they should just say whoever wins leak having massages all day long it would be such a shame that with nothing so can his teeth are down the rabbit hole right so now Switzerland which leaner in the yeah and it's bench against the winner of group just I have the mental capacity to get flays above the next Gen Final Davis Cup finals and that was that was one of my favorite room that's that's my favorite rule change there about twelve years old and they can do what they're told as far as I'm concerned Moans at a Nice Jenny what anything is Hubert I've said so this Sinus beep Catherine told me that two minutes and basically I'm suddenly in a tennis match were you get the App you get happened then you just talk to the APP if noise day yeah so basically you WanNa get yourself a sonus being if you are great sound anyway let's move on to finish Alvin Alexander's verve which was slighty it was up see jam packed with people but it is it doesn't look like camera angle which is head height to the players and you get to see well actually I think and it was it was a good match I don't think very played well I'd say I did feel like that yeah even even if it was only subconsciously I for most is one thousand just subconsciously look I I want that kind of match to matter to him got walking out from the NS jumping up and down and and very didn't really ready to start art and he probably should have won in straight sets but this is a big deal to him this is the thinking was Indian Wells on Miami one of those two Miami Miami and again got a long way to go he's got another year and a half's worth of Mikhail Youzhny phone several Catherine I still think it's looking quite rule I still think the way he's playing right I hate that both set in for that I'm sure usually is professional tennis player Hey I don't understand how someone whose job you can call he's standing over the net it's a four hundred eighty he didn't even have to move the ball is sailing there wasn't even any space between him in the net but it bounced before the net it in your rubbish clay you playing doubles he missed that fully turnaround your partner and I understand I understand the agony of hitting made reference to some of that he has been involved in so many of my ball renewal coaching that much against Scammell feace the Kopecky court but relative to the the first call Electrifying it is best completely electrifying and I I may be I just tried Smith Strides for sure to knuckle down just fine ways to win points by the thing he looks certain whether it needs to come forward off it will stay back and he they season but they weren't too many today and I do think this since he started in time for Chiappa Battle of like he is getting a bit of momentum and we do see it a lot where Amelia the Roger Federer Exhibition Road trip yes they said in commentary chiappa valve if anybody needs a proper grownup off season social media not allowed to engage in normal society but just to be and taught how to be a pro- professional plan not just a vastly in who needs to become a proper pro yet he needs to go on a have you seen a documentary the edge until I'm I did look that up the food the which which would being the the England thima taking forever they didn't know where they were going sh at the time booked to them to go on the most despair in the woods and they were they were going to like October fest something they will headed to the full gang asking oh shops I would I would urge caution with extreme with the top instead of giving them the water he pulled it all away talk comedy I brought him up on this podcast ABC's training regime with Gil Reyes where he thought about running elsewhere today we had Novak Chunk of beating Katamon Brilliant first-set tie-break nine as you call really bad case of the leg sounds really opened his mouth but anyway we would really have known about it if it's very hard that his in his defeat and yeah it's Halloween today which is what occur playing rough on the Delta night we haven't seen that one yet sits passes one so sit surpass Jackovitch a joke of it yeah he's not one hundred percent tool so good against the minorities I'd say it's a good opportunity there's do that the traffic lights I'm not going to be done on that because Dimitrov so category of what on Earth Are we going to see from him we you gain Assia world-beating rego demonstra over an absolute shell of a man this week Dimitrov he lost then it's as if he saw that message. Fu He's having the will the rules changed around go take no if you in the top twenty wow how has that happened semi final of the US hyphen is various. Doesn't get a job. He likes which I thought was during football in Spain for Associated Press I think it is it for two week tournament with twenty four teams in the future he being with his competition and he added he'd be happy for Federa changed we give Basel a by through the early stages of yeah tennis podcast you in her

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Hour 1 - Kevin Millar (10-31-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

45:42 min | 1 year ago

Hour 1 - Kevin Millar (10-31-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net production available on Apple Podcast Game Make Betty aside dot com your betting partner new members get one hundred percent bonus match is a very user friendly interface and mobile site simply play win and get paid the everything try live betting at the where you can bet on games from start to finish every play aside dot com and use Promo Code DP One oh one and get this limited time one it's Dan Patrick yes we're Danette down but we still have to kidney all and we're missing mclovin even though I saw him earlier today to great character and semi pro so my kids said dresses for Halloween dad down the FCC is GonNa Complain We may have to Pixel late that are great director may have to ordered it on Amazon spent less than fifty bucks and you're good to go. He spends a lot of time on his Halloween costume last year he gave us ears mclovin has gone is a seventy John McEnroe he's GonNa Seventy Steve Prefontaine the great costume I don't know if we have any theme music fritzy's already yes yes bully it took me a minute because I saw Andrew back and I soaked in you yup you're Andy Reid you're handy rea- the punt your than all the other kids doing punt pass and kick mclovin that's great there's more to very very niche or a lot of people were tweety be we confusing terms like dealer price list price invoice truecar shows you what other people paid for the big on Halloween parties I am going to go to the Halloween parade in I know but I I still I've never been to it and I thought you know what we're going to be in and then I would be on the show dressed as little Bo peep in and that's where you got all these other shows where people get dressed up and then I go I can't do that raid as you if you hosted sportscenter Nineteen seventy-nine get one of those gold jackets with I'm just not it's weird how when you go to these parties and I've been to a Halloween party before have fishnet stockings and something else I'm talking about the women not the guys I was I always did well on Halloween yeah how we think about it I was like yeah I get that you know he looks like he's in shape what you look like underneath when we were kids this would be we didn't worry about a weather forecast yes todd no astros gear today no Astros gearhead like you're not with him any long not distancing myself that mark I just I I don't say it's predictable nobody saw the nationals coming certainly as they head to beat an astros team that one hundred seven games they trailed when they come back and beat the astro six to the national the nationals winning all four road tedious forever but the postseason is awesome I look at this as the probably differently than most people I look at legacies defining moments where he's got a one hitter going he's shutting out the nationals the signature moment you stared down Max Scherzer and the nationals and you lived to his team bails amount Stephen Strasburg who has a career defining more opportunities to be here we don't know that Dan Marino never got back after his second year in the NFL issues after getting thrown out in game six and here we are to nothing cranky or leave him in with eighty pitches I was leaving him in what he does with Soto and then he walks well then I comes in the world series hangs in the balance I whole is not going to be an astro next year so you're astros career is over with Garrick Cole on the mound so I got the I this in that moment no there are other moves that were made or not made in moments awesome because there was a moment where he threw a sixty two mile an hour talk about I need to have back off ten miles per hour or fifteen miles per persico where you alter the speeds and I thought that he was doing a great job in college he he's never the damn world series man frosty after the game very frosty and this was the exchange that he coaches and pitching staff learned a lot more about the game from Aj and it was just the media's around you and for some reason he took that tack while wearing employee of the Houston Astros Hell yes you are while you're in the locker room but you're not an employee of the Astros and you're gonNA wear Scott Boris his hatem added to hear that but you gotta bring him in lose it a little bit they brought in P. Corbin one of their starters he's not a reliever but they said this is a different nationals made the right decisions they felt like they were always facing elimination but because you're looking at Soto rent on Strasbourg ensures well he's going to be a free agent as a free agent now free agency starts now coming up next hour Kevin Millar from the MLB network will join us a lot of questions there with what but if you're not okay that's fine I mean I don't hold it against you and say what are you mistake back there is so much involved in this game seven here's a trivia question for you when's the last time the go St Leonard Stephen Strasburg Hotbed Nice Yup and then there is being named the NBA pig I so Some second guessing to me Kinda sneaky good tonight it is I'd sneaky good tonight and Spurs at the up Lebron from doing it and Anthony Davis and James Harden and Russell Watt why and this is going to happen going to happen and it's going to happen more often if the spurs did years ago before we called it load management remember owed management specific tickets so you ticket to a clipper game it's one hundred dollars for your seat let's a Oh play healthy scratches you get your money back but they play you pay an extra twenty bucks Load Management Lebron Load Management James Harden load management and a picture of the stars she on the tickets I think it's I think it's too obvious because the result I would've left in granting warming up I can't have that and I know he said we're we're waiting until we you and then they walk Soto and then Kendrick homers so now as you can see the costumes Paulie has on you may not want to and mclovin is going trying to look at yeah okay all right that'd be great tweeted a fantastic picture that got us swelled that's our email back with Kevin Ja from the Major League Baseball Network Your phone calls coming up Caesar has a large extra bestest thin crust pizza available right now for only only six forty nine at participating little 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MLB network at five eastern Grinky is absolutely painting the baseball nothing was above the knees and sustain the game you know you just you just watching the contact and once again I always talk about this game and I I'm with you I don't care who you bring in other than coal seemed like he was up there uh-huh because they did what great teams do they produce when they needed to it's just I was pitching really well needed only thrown eighty pitches and if you're going to bring I don't have see how that worked and then all I wanNA bring him in at the start of an ending cleaning okay over there to the nationalist like hey you got sure zor well we got coal remembered I mean any sort of coal thing he was that guy this year you kinda felt weapon neck and all that stuff but it was that bad because hey if we're gonNA lose the coal and Strasbourg grading six here we go in game seven this game was you know flown by me both pitchers Rick Tell you what it was it felt now tell me if I'm wrong it felt other than you know we haven't seen a series of history this game that home teams number one and then check home teams stat of the day there that just in just in general in those play offs okay if you somebody didn't see the nationals three nights or whatever yeah and then and then you look at this team later it just kind of underrated because he didn't say anything you know then you got a chance to watch him for seven days and everybody's going he's not a great soundbite but you watch the kid play you're like he's a ballplayer and you watch for seven straight days national television they're pretty damn good ball club they're scrappy for the same price Strasbourg or Garrett Cole overnight two thousand twelve and it wasn't his fault you know we got on him when they nations because their first round picks and then Oh my God their vestments and all the stuff you can't and you know you can pull the Corny but I'll take your Colt but we're talking to Kevin Millar from the MLB him as I mean look at some of these potential free agents here because you've got a couple of big ticket interesting does he resigned Mac with the nats or does he walked out try again that west coast maybe padres he's GonNa leave but you think random is gone to the Rangers in Garrett Cole to the angels sure he's GonNa get your family involved in wife's and all kinds of stuff so ucla Korea for some young pitching move bregman short uh-huh and say out before you go home I don't it's not in short yes for young man we're doc with Chris rose on MLB network five PM Eastern also won a world series he was salt and not in the moment what would you have done before before we even get that whole latter part of the season regular season that you know felt like Garrett Cole was going to end up with the angels and if they they're not just to players I mean those are really good teams balanced great everyday player but you know the guys who are doing add no you can have run donen Soto but you still have to have have that you bring in Joe Madden that's great but I get to feeling Garrett Cole does he want to play for the Rangers. I can't imagine him in that Ballpark and he he'll do some I don't know I don't know if you could say it's just okay two games well you can decide it was it a good world series or great world series yeah you're GonNa say it was just good is there any reason that one would say it wasn't a great the Super Bowl we watched the super bowl you know we were not as invested in against Golden State you're still entertained by that you probably bet on the Super Bowl right Zwirn to blow out so and just because it went seven games you know you can't just automatically say was great was great okay so if the Astros at one would have been a great personally it'd be great calling the Nationals won the first two people were saying it was over you win the first two on the road using AH with baseball I know a lot of astros players because they've been so relevant the past four years this imagine if the Astros win another world series career heroics here but then you know flaming out Garrett Cole was great a hall of Famer it it it is cool to see these players while they're still playing L. Tuba is putting up he sort of the the hitting version of these great in a baseball and people through helmets back no he's he's far better than but once you there's you know they consider factor in with this but I if you said is L. Tubay Hall of Famer eight that I don't think this series but I can't do that like all time both hall of famers but Walter Payton's better than Frank Court so you're not all world series are created equal and not all game sevens or created list of unbelievable endings here performances here be eighty six world series compared to that but it's still one of the great world series of all time art we'll take a break gutter play of back after this everybody's got into this I get one for my wife drop off the dry the good thing you don't have to drop off or pick up anything all you have to do is go to GEICO DOT com may be the most rewarding thing on your to do list today that's GEICO DOT COM mind you that you can support our sponsors by going to our show page at podcast one dot com now back to the show the play of the day sliced the right field line toward the quarter sprint back looking up that is what has gone it hits the foul

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Wimbledon Re-Lived 1980: Borg vs. McEnroe

The Tennis Podcast

1:03:04 hr | 7 months ago

Wimbledon Re-Lived 1980: Borg vs. McEnroe

"Hi I'm John McEnroe and boy. You're listening to. The tennis pulled car. Hello, folks and welcome once again to Wimbledon relived data another trip down. Memory Lane. We've got twelve more of them to come. I'm very pleased to say that we have no. Disastrous disappointing depressing current tennis news to bring you the start of today's podcast. We can crack great on. With journey to the glorious past David here, we cannot just a mildly entertaining. ARGUMENT BETWEEN GENERATIONS WITH BORIS, Becker Nick, but we'll leave you. Go look that up. This is all about two of the greatest players we've ever had and. One of the greatest rivalries Cerny, we've ever had an and frankly the last couple of House that we've just spent rewatching the end of the full set tiebreak, and then the fifth set was just a joy. Wasn't it if you haven't gathered from David's? Clues that we're going to be reliving the very very famous Bjorn Borg John McEnroe Wimbledon Men's final, if nine, thousand, nine, hundred eighty. The probably the most famous tie-break of all time and one of the most famous much is overall and probably the highlight of one of the sport's greatest ever rivalries. You've managed to to bring down the tone of all that by mentioning. Boris Becker inaccuracies twitter spot, which always deliberately trying to swerve that. Yes our friend Willy, said it's like a really shit banned giving a really long encore at the moment with all the fallout from the area tool. It's just like when is this going to end one of the other and A. High End Fashion Retail Outlet for fetched four I had been dragged into the fray unexpectedly which is. I mean even in a year of unexpected events. I think that that really really does. Take take the biscuit. So that's is current, tennis plays covering themselves, and whatever the opposite of glory is. Speaking of Willie by the way she is the the lady responsible for our or my mind I should say now previously David's. Facts about the past. What happened when? Everybody ready for the best part of the show. I mean this part. Yesterday gave her Scott Gaudio's twitter. which I mean. Down quite the rabbit hole with that man, I literally scrolled all the way to the bottom of his twitter timeline to figure out when he started when he started using them. Oh Jeez I mean it's great. Could. Actually I. Initially, I was desperately trying to search. The. Why happen if anyone talked about it so I put into Google Gaston. Gaudio twitter, and the first thing that came was at David Law tennis talking about data. From two thousand thirteen. You the only people that are into it or have even nativist. Answers or Get on the. Case your. In case you're struggling to know what day of the week it is two thousand and four French Open champion Gaston County man. Up. At my jokes on is a good one. Guest on Gary He didn't do anything in in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty. I'm afraid well. He was, too, wasn't he? Say that we know that because we everybody now knows he was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety eight. Don't ever forget it. born in Nineteen, eighty where Francesca Schiavone Martina Hingis Venus Williams. Merit San Fernando Gonzalez one callers. And Kim Kardashian. What a bunch! For, tennis, players. Venus Williams now for any one of these. These players still on tour and it's not Kim Kardashian. The police don't stand so close to me. Bill biggest selling single of the year strong I'd say strong read either. Ronald Reagan became the president of the United States of America John Lennon was shot dead in Manhattan outside the Dakota building. Which John McEnroe now lives in. Don't think he left the time, but they guy that starts my fund segue there. A. Fun segue after the assassination of John Lennon. Post, it notes reinvented. Good. It was. Hundred, come up with the idea posted notes so under well I. Mean you looking at a piece of paper You thinking? Wouldn't it be great if this was small and had a sticky bit on it? Without before I mean we'll? The definition of a great invention, isn't it that you think? How did this not previously exist? Anyway just to round off magical mystery tour of nineteen eighty it was the start of the Iran Iraq war. The Rubik's Cube A. Debut and Mount Saint Helens erupted in Washington state, killing fifty-seven. That wasn't the not intended to end on. I'll see if I can find something cheerier. Back. Let's go back to the rebate scheme. Has It. I heard I. saw I saw them around a few years ago. Having not seen them for about thirty. I mean I think they've always always been around. I could any good at them I do the one side. Night. My brother can do them and I can't even make a fist up them, which is a the tragic tale of my childhood? Nine thousand nine hundred eighty David. We're away of the lost law years. We're also A. Little Way off your tennis memory? Do you remember the book? Much is one of those ones where you can kind of convince yourself you? You remembered it. You've seen so much. Sitter since since that year. That's a good question because I properly remember nineteen, eighty one, which was the rematch for these two plays Joma can are winning the title for the first time in nineteen eighty one I remember watching that I think I remember it because of the buildup that I guess things that I'm out ahead on the news or in coverage of Wimbledon with telling me, but also my dad remember him me asking an I think it probably happened in eighty before I really knew what tennis probably was, but asking him. Who are these people and he may explaining to me, the beyond bowl could won this title full-time in a row and we now because of Federa- and never survivor and. Jock itch mores and the and the down in these areas where they've just gone flying past Grand Slam total wise. We. We normalized a little bit for Wimbledon titles in a row back then it was just not something that happened at all. I mean he won. Six French opens as well as five wimbledons. As we've heard in the commentary both on the radio and TV. He was regarded as the champion of champions. The dominant player of the year as as good as all those were McEnroe. Lendl Bowl was the man. He was the top seed coming into nine, thousand, nine, hundred eighty Wimbledon as he say the the four time defending champion McEnroe with the second seat. He'd beaten beyond book in the US Open final the previous year in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy nine. But he hadn't reached a Wimbledon final since stat famous run. He had as eighteen year old in in nineteen, seventy seven. When he reached, the hadn't reached semifinal since since that running seventy-seven as a qualify when you start to Jimmy Connors, good his revenge on Connors in the semi final in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty David in a match, which when quite some way see the fact that McEnroe was was booed onto court. Room when walking out for that final against beyond bog and. Women I mean Wimbledon now is an particularly partial to Boeing, but Wimbledon then had never seen or heard booing before now, and it's interesting because we've just watched the final and. Mechanized behavior, basically impeccable. You don't see any flashpoints a toll and then we've just gone back and watch the start of the match to sit. Watch again. The kind of entrance and to see the booing and they show highlights a few little moments from the semi final against corners and twenty eight minutes in mackinaw is asking for the referee to come out onto the court. And Connors is stood at the back, smiling and spinning his record on his finger, and then he goes into the crowd and sits on the front row. The spectators basically to laugh at macro WHO's losing his mind and the ten? The there was something almost chemical. It seemed about corners that set him off in a way. That bog calmed him down and it's quite interesting when you when you try. Try to think back to what was the advent of John McEnroe this? The Wild Man on the call and the way he tells is a match I, think against a fellow. American or an Australian. I think it was at the time Phil. Dent we think of Thailand his son being American, but he said I was somebody who give calls to my opponent if I thought that they were wrong. And then somebody pulled me aside and locker room. Said you don't do that. We don't do that here. And he said, and then one day I got angry about something that happened on court and I kicked my record across the call and everybody booed, and I thought okay. Then and I kicked it again and an an it almost started him off and. And he just and that's that's when the the whole reputation begun frank to full describes the in sports illustrated. He describes the semifinal incident with Connor. Sign that McEnroe bellowed fourteen times at the unpire that he wanted to see the referee, a display that drew the first public warning ever issued on center cord and jammed the BBC switchboard with anti American diatribes. And this is this is the thing that I. as a as a child was aware of because of the household that I was living in that, my mother in particular, who only watch when the only tennis she would watch, issue would react to this stuff like one of those callers. It was all appalling. But she would love to gossip about it with the neighbors. About how terribly was that rubbed off on me? Well, I mean obviously had been around for nine, thousand, nine, hundred, final or any of John McEnroe's playing career. Really I mean my first experience of him was is a commentator as the first getting into tennis in the early noughties and I. Remember asking my my parents about about. Young mcenery. Current tennis player John McEnroe in the early eighties. And I remember them saying that they were supporting, Bloomberg, and I thought what how could you not been supporting McEnroe? Fun and interesting and they I remember my mom saying no, you don't understand. It's all good fun now. His his his persona, he's for about persona, but but then it was serious. He really was awful. And I, do think we we look back on it in a rather more misty-eyed way than then. People experienced it at the time because they could be. That could be a nasty edge to it for sure and it. It does make it all the more. Remarkable that we've just watched four hours of him play. In the most probably the most high tension tennis much of his life or one of them, and he was good, as gold gave good face, and really good hands on hips action, but absolutely no with the grow at any stage. well in the presentation, Dan Maskell who was a famous and vocal critic of his own BBC's coverage, and he was the doyen of tennis commentary, and somebody's holding up a sign in the crowd during the match that we've just seen Dan Maskell for PM. That's how he was. He was revered, but he used to be fist. Critical of McEnroe I remember. There was a queen's final where he just he. You could tell that he was. Personally offended by his behavior in this presentation, he said quite on a C.. McEnroe's behavior is being beyond reproach in this final and any he'd become a hero, and the reason for that good behavior we think is because he was playing ball and the respect he had football where I was I was watching this yesterday the first few sets there. I I messed WHATSAPP group. Saying I am. Am I right in saying that Makomo never had any of his bad behavior against book and You David Just said yeah, that's right I, mean he? He just didn't and it kind of put me in mind of the conversations. We have today about whether curiosity behave badly when he plays Murray, or maybe we speculated when there's a female empire when there's just a figure on the call that. He has great respect for. It seems that he's a different character, and the only one is so they step out onto court to mcenery to of course as be onboard is just I mean he's a Rockstar isn't a? He's universally beloved. It's funny, no four in a row. You might expect there to be a bit of Bjorn book fatigue possibly among the crowd, and had been facing a different opponent in that final. Maybe some of that would surface. Ain't but I mean it was? A one hundred percent Bloomberg Lavin, and then he makes a horrible horrible start six, one first set to McEnroe, and and I wasn't aware of this, but I was reading. Some write ups of if the match apparently Bloomberg is really known for that. Really really known is being being slow salsa. And, he was stretching during the opening set six, one first set threes lost, and yeah, he just can't seem to get his in at all, and I think that what kind of also comes across in the reading that we do in the the the various documentaries that you watch is that he was feeling the pressure of this one and. Apparently. He used to have a routine. He was incredibly superstitious. Man, which I I didn't realize, but he he was massively superstitiously. He was always stay in the same holiday in about forty five minutes away, his rackets were already strung overnight. Yeah, no! I in. This thing he was the biggest star, not per se forty five minutes away, not even. Not even convenient holiday. They all stayed. All the top players stayed in central London pretty much, and would party the night away, and and that was. That was just how it was. Well. You only. In because it's convenient, that is what he he was a creature of habit, and the he would have his rackets apparently restrung every night so tightly that they would pop in the middle of the night. And he would as we as you can see in every final that he plays, he's got a beard. Now wouldn't start the tournament with a beard he would just he would just begin growing it, and he wouldn't shave until he finished the tournament, and that was another of his superstitions and apparent to always drive into the Wimbledon grounds in the Saab, which was the which was the sponsor Car Holiday Inn Saab. This is the world's biggest rockstar. Wimbledon! He would. He would always ride in the same Seton in the car and an apparently on this particular match. I think he'd won his last thirty three matches at Wimbledon on this one. He invited somebody one of his friends to come in the car with them said there was Leonard Back. Glenn who's his who is his mental or in his coach, and there was his girlfriend who'd become his wife. And they were driving in together with this. This other party in in the car and he was said off that you'll win. This one building I'm and everybody was really nervous in the car. Just didn't didn't like it so that you could, you could tell the pressure. We're starting to just weigh heavily on his shoulders. By by this point and I think we see it at the end of the match as well when he sits down I remarked on it you can. He looks. He looks haunted in a way by by the just the what's expected of him I relapsed bog. McEnroe the the film last night in preparation for this I, took aim at the time at the cinnamon and fans of the podcast will recall. We did one nine Lee movie review show. If that, if people keep make tennis to keep making tennis films, we'll keep doing reviews, but. Nobody, has since then unfortunately, I forgot. Identity a dirty drunk to gin and tonics, and I forgot that it was essentially a foreign language film. and my level of concentration of to to was not sufficient, so breezed over quite a lot of the Swedish dialogue. And engaged with a lot more of the McEnroe scenes. But, certainly the the narrative arc that placed on it. I can't speak for felt like this at the time was the. Bloomberg knew. That it was only a matter of time, before mcenery got him, and got the best of him, and overtook that rivalry, and it was a question of how long he could hold on for. Could he hold on long enough to win another Wimbledon maybe too, and of course he he did. That year in one thousand nine hundred spoiler alert. He lost the tiebreak, but he won the match beyond Borg but even. I'm I'm jumping the gun a bit here, but even in those moments when just immediately post victory? It's almost as if he's thinking well. I did it, but if it was that close this time. Am I gonNA. Be Able to do it again. It was I don't know I mean. He was only twenty four. At the time. You went onto to retire the following year I know he attempted to come back, but it. It did look to me like He. He knew the McEnroe was coming for him, and he was just trying to to hang onto his dominance as long as he could, and it comes across as though if I'm not keeping the straight up. Up and if I'm not the top dog. Then I'm not going to be doing it. Whereas seen the dial in federal, go through these different stages of their career where they've struggled with injury. Oh, they've been knocked off their perch. And then they've just come back and there's never been a question mark in their minds that that's what they would do. This was very seen very straightforward for bog I either I'm the best drama play seems to me that this. This rivalry. Energized McEnroe he got such a high off playing ball, but As No, the rivalry didn't seem to like it as much she he he was intimidated by. I suppose as you were saying once. He realized Makomo had his number year later that was it. He was out of the game. It's interesting how the rivalry just took a different shape for both for both players I think. I think all the superstitions weighed heavily on board and all the all the attention. It's really hard. I. Think for us is people who weren't around then to appreciate what life was like for him. Well it must have been annoying. He won his first sight in a Holiday Inn because then he had to keep staying in the Holiday Inn. Must Do. Finance funny at one that I one in the Ritz. This is a great line from Steve Tickner in the Book high-strung which are highly recommend if you WANNA have a rate of. The year was like, and he said when bog I came to Wimbledon in nineteen, seventy three. People were taken by I. Mean He didn't Atro- word? He didn't do interviews you'd nobody heard from there just saw him in this mystical figure, and this is what I think was so appealing and apparently. Was the closest thing that you would get to the Beatles in terms of following from from fans and apparently nine, hundred seventy three. He was flattened by three hundred girls, chasing him, and when he was on the ground related David. They said he he apparently said well yes. I was a little scared as I. Lay in the dust on the street with girls all over me, but it was fun to. has anyone ever said those words before or since? I'm I'm guessing no. I mean this is the. I mean the tennis rivalry tennis era and I. Think Steve also written about this. Where tennis crossover into. Cultural. Kind of influence and I, you know just the kits. They were wearing iconic. The fact that the film's been made about it was iconic. The the celebrity status. The book had has probably not happened in tennis since I mean. All the all the characteristics. Of Celebrity, rarely rather than more than just tennis. Yeah, down to the fact that I mean. John McEnroe was. The first sponsor response easy I'm not sure either those words should person sponsored person if if Nike, wasn't. He was picked by by Nike off to. One thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, run to the Wimbledon semifinal and they weren't making kit. At this stage in one, thousand, nine hundred and he's wearing nike shoes. But. He's wearing. Think surgery to Keeney Kit. I mean both of those. Kits that they were wearing. They've never gone out of fashion. They usually things come in and out, but I mean. I mean in particular, be onboard, but both of those outfits is never a stage when viewing book outfit wouldn't have been cool. I mean it would have been tight. Not Never on cool. Yeah, you've got to have a certain physique for that. But is also notable. Just how much color is on what they're wearing because it was. Still a predominantly white rule of clothing that you had to wear it Wimbledon, but it was nothing like it is now where even the tiny little bit of color. We were all laughing about Roger. Federer's orange soles of his shoes didn't look great. Didn't it look gray? Was Anybody saying Oh God? It's such an insult to tradition that there's a red headband on shake. Those were cool kids. I mean some of the ones in the in the early nineties not so much. But the other thing. Struck me was. We're watching this match in. They're playing white tennis balls as well which carried on doing until one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty six, when they went to yellow and what I didn't realize. Is that white tennis balls stopped being used everywhere else in nine hundred seventy two, but Wimbledon insisted on keeping it as part of its white role, so that will be why we didn't see any white tennis balls when we reliving Roland Garros we were having that conversation in yeah, because we knew they came in and eighty six at Wimbledon, but we'd watch those early matches. It wrote on garrison the. The eighties with yellow tennis balls and Wimbledon were also last were late to adopt the six all tie-break that that come in elsewhere in the seventies, but when any change to it at nine, hundred seventy nine, so this was only the second year of a six all tie-break, so John McEnroe wins the first sent six one. It's all going swimmingly for him. As we said beyond borger famously slow start, so maybe he would have been mentally prepared for for the bog onslaught, which which came next, he found his feet and one the next two sets as two-sets-to-one up. He's is really a perfect indication of the tennis scoring system the end of that second set because. Board is not had a single look McEnroe's serve the whole sand. Suddenly it gets to five sakes and McEnroe seventy to take it to a tiebreak, and he gets a little bit edgy and suddenly. Comes up with a couple of backhand passing shots to to pink the second set and from there, the momentum of the master switches Boggs got. Not quite a spring in spring his stat because he doesn't. He doesn't really do that doesn't really change his emotion throughout, but you can see. He's a little is just more dialed in from the rest of the match. Makomo slumps when he loses that second set has A. Sort of carries over, and it doesn't play what in the third set and It's just a perfect illustration of just. How much can just turn on a? Just on a dime. Is Thinking McEnroe needs some sort of umpire outburst in order to to fire himself up. He did slump bitten sort of retreat into his shell you. He's looking for that. Spark and that was. That was not sure he'd ever express it like this, but the, but that was why he's to have those outbursts they. A lot of They are advised. For most people they would. They would lead to a dip in form, but for McEnroe. They used to lead to a surge more often than I don't. Think that that was. An interesting one. Some people believe that another. Don't when you when you talk to mackinac and other players around there is a debate to be had as to whether it helped him or hurt him because it certainly distracted opponents at times. But Not Everybody that I hear from is convinced that it did help him over the course of his. Plug to the upcoming Yannick Ignore interview that will be the the David Date that will be released after Wimbledon and I think. Janet knows description that of what John McEnroe is able to do on a call in terms of applies energy when I went spoiled because Yannick Noah, describes it much better than I possibly could, but the way that basically Joe Makomo was able to control the energy on the cold and I think most of the time he he did manage to. Sort give use the outbursts positively, but I'm sure there were I'm sure there were exceptions well. That's the point, isn't it? I suppose if your opponent as well then you may will get the other hand, and I think the other thing is success. Wise is also. Measured by of quarter earnings, and those things, and look his his fame and notoriety versus somebody when the same amount as him like mats, Wilander. Such a unique energy on a unique energy wherever he is, but obviously be watching him on a tennis court, and that was something. I'm going to go back to my breezed into the film. Review here, but that was something that. I was just in really with with Charlotte. Births performance as I can rubin in that film never thought it'd be an order of anything about birth, but we all where we are. He captures that energy which I didn't think we'd be possible actually because it's such a unique weird energy that he has this mixture of arrogance and shuffling shyness this this, he's not high energy, but he is extremely twitchy and this sort of an understated frantic nece about him. It's it's such a weird unique energy, and I can see why it it. It dominates an arena, but but not in the way. That? You talk about. You know people that have these kind of personalities which just just dominate a dominated a stage. It's not like that it's sort of a weird dystopia conversion if that. And Yeah, it really is captured. Perfectly. In that film I know John McEnroe wasn't. Particularly pleased with some aspects of the performance and it certainly doesn't shy away from from his ragged edges. I would say. But it certainly captured something about John McEnroe. Which I think is very difficult to to put your finger on. so he's. He's two sets to one down in this final and. We're in a full that it's. It's on serve until the latter stages, and then just as you described in in that third set. My it's it's mcenery. It's Mac. android that blinks I it's mcenery that that shows the the out with signs of detention. Yes as four all and. Loses his serve, and or has a has a chance to serve the match at five four to think that the. The tie-break that everyone talks about was so close to not happening, because board gets. gets two match points at forty fifteen and. I mean this is the moment where the match sort of. Ascends and elevates itself into. I was thinking of if if if tennis were tall in schools I mean I. See, how would that be? The Bay like be like a whole module the ball Makomo match in terms of what it said about tennis. The you know the the impact it had and why it was such a great match, and it's this. It's this stage in the at takes on significance because the points, Makomo plays to save. Books I two championship points one of them with. A perfect back com pass up the line and actually something else. That's interesting is the book finds himself at the Net on those two match points and he actually it's a bit of a misnomer that bore is A. Baseline I think relative to the day. He was a baseline about. You would never call him a baseline. And now he's coming in off. All is I serves pretty much on the grass, and he's at the now on both these two match points and Makomo yet passes in. The back on the first one and then a combination backhand. Volley and then four volley drive volley winner for the second one and the and the crowd absolutely erupts I mean if had been boos at the start by this stage, there were plenty people on his side and wanting to see a great match and it just it just takes off from that. The radio commentary on BBC at the time was electric. This point as well led by Max Robertson. Who is the voice of BBC? Radio for forty years alongside a runner-up Christine Janes Truman David Lloyd was in the box as well and one of my all time Heroes Heroes Gerald Williams and when? Board has and doesn't take those two match points. The commentary from Max Robertson is now. We'll balk. LOSE HIS ICE nerve. He shouldn't. He's discarded those match points that he'd lost. They've slid off the ice. And then when Mac, and then McEnroe's strikes, and he says McEnroe's broken back. He's given me. The Lai ball is only a four-time champion. It's funny, isn't it? If I hadn't gone to to win that much in that title, it wouldn't be the full set. Tiebreak wouldn't be the source of his regrets. The focus of his nightmares I think it would be. As potentially paralleled with with Roger Federer in enlarges final, it would be the too much points on his own serve at five four. And that's that is just the beauty of sport and particularly tennis the scoring system it has the way. One point. Two points can change your whole life. Your whole perception of. Everything that you've done go on to do. Different Woods would everything be if he'd take one of those much points, and we never had that tiebreak born earth with the BBC of shown all of those rain delays throughout the ninety s me. We just had to sit watching rain falling but as it is, the tie-break did happen. and. It was one of the first tie-breaks that the one of the first six all tiebreaks that Wimbledon had ever seen. As it happens the day before they'd seen a six tiebreak. In the in the women's final won by Yvan Gong. butts only been introduced. The before I think a few years before that Wimbledon. They introduced ehtel tiebreaks. tiebreaks were pretty new thing to the extent that the umpire had to do a little sort of explainer. To the crowd before they went into the tiebreak, he sort of waited. She said quiet down everybody this much going to be decided by tie-break. I. Two six points have to win by clear points in everyone lives sort of all right okay yep. Yeah, we're on board with that. Little wave of we'll see how this goes. At every time the serve changes in the tie-break empire. Clear that there was a change of serve. Yes like he's explaining as it goes along, but. Talk about a reward for introducing the tie-break system I mean. He was glad he revised the rules of the tiebreak umpire before that much really earned his money and. So conic that tiebreak one by McEnroe Eighteen sixteen, he had had five set points in the tie-break Bogut had five match points in the tie-break as well as those these two. He had in his service game going into the tie-break. At one eighteen, sixteen by mcenery I was. I was nervous David that it. It wouldn't live up to the hype. I'd just as I'm nervous about rewatching federal and adult from from wait. Sort of. Economically disappoint right, but in the end didn't and it didn't on both TV and radio there was the reaction I from both the crowd and the commentators just. They they supported what you're looking at with your own eyes. They made you feel how how looked to our I, forty years on which is one of just I can't believe what I'm seeing. They knew at the time. How great this was! These are people who'd watched decades, tennis and Dan Maskell at the end of the tiebreak. John Barrett had been the commentator in the fall set, and then they switched for the fifth set, and at the end of the fourth set tiebreak. Dowse goes said. I think this is some of the best tennis I've ever seen and you've got people. I Max Robertson saying when it went to fifteen all. It's becoming impossible to find adjectives for this. The crowd wanted to end because it's now unbearable, and and that's that's how it felt was the crowd just could not take anymore this. They needed it today because they were so on the edge of the nerves, and when the decisive blow was finally stricken and McEnroe when that tiebreak eighteen sixteen. Max Robertson said. There's a resurrection here, McEnroe. He's like a phoenix. Who was dead and has come to life again from the ashes. I'm getting the impression, David. You might quite like to go back in time and have the opportunity to to compensate on this match well other, so I couldn't do as well as that and but it was just. It was just such a joy because there was so many of my broadcasting heroes is what is my tennis here? I was describing those moments, and and it just genuinely live up to them, so we hear from the men themselves describing those moments. This is. Bloomberg. John! McEnroe's speaking to you David. How many how many years ago when the champions tool thirteen years ago, yeah, I interviewed both of them on a number of different topics, but obviously wanted to discuss the nine thousand nine hundred eighty women final. On just thrilled that we have chance to put it altogether now. Won or lost the tiebreaker. I thought I'm going to lose the match. said it before I'll say it again. That was my wh, probably my worst minute on my life. Walking from missing that set point. In the tiebreaker. To Walk to the chair, sit down. Thinking why? Am I play one set more I'm here I have seven eight matchpoint. I should have won in four sets and. Thing and we have to play one more self I cannot believe this. I thought I had him, and so it was it was another experience to see a guy who had already wanted for times I. Thought was going to give in, and didn't so. It showed me that you had to find. Another gear and more will. If you'RE GONNA to win, something that you wanted really badly because see SORTA, took it away from me and I thought. For sure he was going to. He would. He defected by what happened. I think he knew he thought of. Having this much. I thought he's GonNa. Win I'm in. The worst moments worst two three minutes of my. Life has a tennis player on the court was after the time right and women? And the fact that he was able to sort of move on, it was made me respect them even more it certainly. Made me take another look at my own game and and that I had. I thought I played as hard as anyone out there and wanted as bad, but it's I felt like I learned something that had to do D-. To find. Another. Avenue even another way to get myself to try harder to to one or more. I mean that's. That's not an easy thing to do in a way, but you have to SORTA. Keep even when things aren't going well to try to keep keep in. Key thing first game, if sets I was thirty and I mean I. Won that game? And if you lose the first game, if you break my sore, I, game V sets, definitely would win the match, but. I won that game and played really well and the fifth sound. Tiebreaker the worst to two minutes of my life as a tennis player. One or later? The best minute. Life. While I felt like it really wasn't in a way too bad because I got a lot of a lot of good things came out of the match I had new level of respect among my peers in. Among the people that watch their fans and the media so I mean in a way was it was sort of match that I felt like I came out as a loser so even though it was unbelievably disappointing. I felt like in a way that the way people viewed me, had the level of respect and appreciation for what I brought to the table, actually went up, so it wasn't that difficult. Fascinating that both of them say say there that after that fourth set tiebreak, they both McEnroe would be the one to go on and win it. Yeah I I. Remember when Book described how he fell how how shocked I was. Because of how little you heard from him, how literally gave away about how he felt at a given time I couldn't believe that this man because you can, you can not see. That's on his face. Even when watching it back forty years on knowing that he's, he said that subsequently you can't see that. He's internalized all of that. The only moment you you re recognize it I think in hindsight is when you see him slump to his knees in victory, and then sit on his chair at the end of the match, and you can see how drained is how. How much is taken out of him? I sometimes talk about how deep ref on the Dow has to dig sometimes to win these events, and gathered a places that scam, and looking at the face of bulk after the match I got that sense, but yeah, it's. It's really something actually it from him. I, mean the. The victory for ball is just enhanced by the nature of it and the character. He shows to overcome that fourth set tie-break loss, because as you said he, the seven championship points in that type well in that set five of them in the tie-break. He then has a further seven break points in the fifth set which he doesn't take, so that's basically fourteen. Fourteen chances to kind of put Makomo away doesn't take any of them, and I think the fact that he eventually comes through. That makes his achievement or the more remarkable because he's had. He's had to stay down the human feeling of not taking your chance. It's a failing a sanctuary in those moments and yet he still managed to come through and I think. Because of that, he's kind of facing. Not only Makomo and opponent, but he's facing himself as an opponent, and this is something that again Frank Deford wrote. We said we already knew the great. Bowl could beat any opponent in fact, how much does it really matter five wimbledons or four? But this afternoon we found that ball could not possibly beaten by himself either, and this is why victory matter so much because because there was so much opportunity for him. To fold in that match after not taking chances in the fact that he didn't just makes it an all the more remarkable feat and older, more human fate from someone who can pay a to belong to some kind of higher around the way doesn't change his emotions out to match. You know Makomo, the much more relatable character with his with his emotions on full display, but bork actually did something. By, overcoming himself, and that is I mean that is the ultimate human achievement really, isn't it? I kind of find the Ford to narrate my life. Or just sort of assess it. Come up with the words. The. We cons in order to to find a way to put it into some perspective. It was an absolute triumph of will that fifth set from your ball, and and that's not to say that it was a failure of will from from John McEnroe, because. What he did that day was also triumphant and that was. A? That was evidence by by the way he he had won over the crowd they were cheering for him by the end. Yeah, the standing ovation, and and that would scarcely seemed possible, given the the reception that he that he had walking onto the court that day, in although he looked in absolutely broken figure. The, you could still. Detect some pride in that he knew heads he had been a part of something extremely special, and and done something pretty special that day, even if he didn't end up the trophy. I would draw some parallels to the figure that round the Dow cuts in the two thousand seven Wimbledon final after he lost in five cents to federal. And he was sobbing in the locker room afterwards, absolutely inconsolable, but then the next year he went to beat him and and I think. It's the realization. There's a realization when they come to terms with the demotion. The upset that they've got that close to the man, and if I'm that close well, I can probably go into the step further to I was reading a an interview that McEnroe did. Years ago with the Sean ingle in of the Guardian. Winning tie-break was the greatest feeling he ever had with. It even surpassed actually winning the title I. Think just that moment against all it was. It was as though something clicked and saying. Okay you didn't go onto win the match, but he knew that. He'd unlocked something that he would go on to win more matches against bogue and Wimbledon finally. Mary Carillo was was there that match and of course remembers it and and its immediate aftermath very vividly. Let's hear from. Yes I remember it very well an interesting the. A lot of fans don't remember it properly. They'll go up to McEnroe and say man when you be Morgan, that amazing match. And, John of course isn't correct them. Why why would he do that? Yeah, thanks, man! That was a great match. Yeah. John Yeah I'll take credit for that win sure. I think it's awesome. I. Can tell that I have watched the BBC call of that match and. Again I think that we gin up matches so much on American television shows so many graphics and so many replays in so many fans in girlfriends and crying parents, and that matches such a beautiful watch, because it is so clean and even in the tiebreak. which made it feel even now when you watch it, it still feels Ihnen it just. They knew they trusted the match. On the. They trusted that Alma this is. You know they're all we have to do. Is Point cameras at this thing? And let it play, and it was, it was a it was gorgeous i. I still I'm only because maybe because it is of my time and I had grown up with John McEnroe. Maybe I still consider it the most remarkable thing I'd ever seen ever. Able should I loved I loved how played out? I Love Bjorn's reaction winning one. He even he couldn't believe that he John Really thought after he won that tie break in the fourth said. He was going to win the fifth, and he had a look too deep to break board right away in the fifth, and then bjorn just served out of his mind and never looked back in really didn't. Seem give John. Much Room in that sits set, but here's what I remember the next day and I were flying home. On the same plane, John's father and John and I keep in mind. I was back in cattle, class and John and his father. First Class. And I hadn't seen drawn after the match. So once. The plane was up in the air. I tried to pick my way forward into first class in. Keep in mind that you know John and acted like. As bugs bunny would say a Maroon for much of those two weeks, and he was just driving people crazy in in Brazil, calling him a Brat and punk and everything else, and then he plays this glistening match for the ages and. It was. Anybody even if you didn't like Johnny, add to give it some right so I. Make my way up first class and there's a curtain separating me from from him from John. And I poked my head, and the stewardess immediately. Try To stop me. I try understand I'm pretty shifty looking. Specially in the morning, but I saw Catherine. I saw John, had his share was flat out like a bed, and he was out cold and Mr. McEnroe had every newspaper in the world. All the British tabloids who'd been. creaming his son for two weeks all the he had a pile of them on his lap, and he was reading one, and he turns to look at me and there were tears coming down his cheeks. I was. Just I will never forget the look on his face here. His heartbroken kid out cold and mister McIntosh reading all these warm wonderful words about son, and about this magnificent match. That woke up and got to see that. I don't think so. No that ain't. Through that. Parental. Now I think I I got to see it. And then the the stewardess told me to go bloodied back to my seat where I belong. But that was that was a magical magical moment. was wasn't bog McEnroe's greatest rival than. I know I think it was John Favourite rival. John Love, that match John Really Liked Bjorn. He I, I think it was John's favorite rivalry. I don't think his John's great shrubbery. John has talking about romanticizing someone. They only played fourteen times I mean that was the most famous other than of course the next year, John God is I stopped Bjorn from winning his sixth in a row. And I think John had a lot. Do with Bjorn finally leading? But not finally he left at twenty six, but. John John just loved John Thaw Bjorn the coolest. He was a cool guy. He was a Rockstar, this guy. He was really cool and John just loved that. He could live on the same court with him. John even wanted to you know when Bjorn let's the game and that they told the wanted to come back and play some and then the ATP till the well. No, you've got to play a full schedule and John. What's you guys talking about? Let him back. Let him play as little or as much as he wants. What are you guys John Missed. That rivalry and John Obviously had a long sword rivalry Jimmy. John had long will with lendl. He just didn't enjoy those guys the way and admire them. He respected them for what they could do but. He truly truly considered bjorn a great friend. It thinking about that that. Story that you told about what Patrick said to John. The evening of that eighty, four, French, final, and and Joan having that sense at the time. That won't be another chance. In contrast, oversee with the benefit of hindsight after that eighty. Wimbledon final, we know there were other CIANCI's. We know. He got his revenge just twelve months later, did he? Did! He have a different feeling at the time after that final. Yes, Amiss of missed opportunity, but. I, do know they'll be others. Yes, and he proved that later that summer because he beat. At at the US Open. I mean yes I. Don't think that ever. John knew that he was hard of great match. I think in the same way Andy. Roddick knew that he was part of a great match even while he was losing to Roger Federer those. Wimbledon finals no I. Don't think that ever shook John the way that French loss and again. That John Lewis. Ah. Lendl really hurt him. He really didn't like. John so respected Bjorn, and what he had already done what he represented, so I think that that part of it was was very different for John, so it Hud less losing to be on I. Think it I. Think it did and I think it only made John. Want to beat him more. Whereas I. Don't think John was relishing the next time he was gonNA play Yvonne Lend Long Clay, his favourite rival, but not his greatest rival. Thought. Well I I'm not sure I agree with Mary because I think that. Although. They only played each of the fourteen times. It was seven all. They had something on. That was just so great to witness just the experience of watching it, McEnroe. She's quite right. McEnroe believes in likes it the most he he described it to me in an interview that you know we were. We were the Yin and Yang. We fit together perfectly, and and he loved him. He still loves him. He's still like a little school kid when he's around, he can't get enough of being around. Be Onboard and when I tried, when asked him to explain why he said the when aside from how coolly is? And you know he was like well. Maybe if maybe I'll hang around with this guy, I'll get some of the attention of the girls the way he gets and all this sort of thing, but he also said you know. When I came on the tour, I was Kinda gatecrashing a an establishment that was already there, and and people didn't like the way I behaved, and the gave me a really hard time, and beyond bog took me under his wing, and if beyond bugs got my back, we'll to hell with everybody else is is what he said, and that's before they were playing these these incredible matches when I first met the two of them, it was in an airport in Doha. Doha in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, my first ever ATP champion's tour event, and I was twenty five years old at watch. These these were the two players that had played the first tennis match I'd ever seen on TV to to my memory, which is the nine hundred ninety one women final and I was absolutely petrified to meet these two and half to be handling their media commitments for the week in this tournament I was the go-between between them and the media and I was scared to death and balk just was came straight up. Exactly as you see him on TV hollow beyond book, a Nice Nice to meet you and he didn't say much Nafi went, McEnroe said. Look Man. I thought ride I'll introduce myself high on David Luiz is what's your name? Is. David Anyway, the cost of the week went by, and I tried to stay out of my way out of the way as much as I could, but I remember they met in the final of this. Event and It was two sets, and then they play the match tiebreak in the third, and when the two players were about to go out onto the court, McEnroe's got his arm around bog and saying. Let's play two out of three. Let's put like the old days. Let's play two out of three. and. He didn't want it end. He didn't want the rivalry to ever end and. And Yeah. It was I to me. It's the greatest worry that those guys had well. It's I guess it's because he didn't. Get the end to the rivalry during their playing days like it was cut so short, I think it's fascinating that we're doing book McEnroe just a day after doing Navratilova ever, which is obviously the complete? Opposite in terms of the fact that they played eighty times. They've rung every little thing out to that rivalry. We know exactly how those two matched up against each other. In all the possible scenarios, whereas Bullock McEnroe Fourteen Times condensed into a four year period that grand. Slam encounters COM condensed into a two year. Period and it's defined in a way by the matches they didn't have, and therefore it's taken on this kind of mythic quality, but I do think that. I mean mean I'm fascinated by rivalries. Jen just generally in that. They hoped me on the sports and I do think that the points of a rivalry is i. mean something that Asaka talked Australian Open. She wanted to have a rivalry. Why because? Kind of the story Utah together is bigger, the imprint leave and the sport together is bigger and I think. Macaroni bog the reason why I would say walls, macrumors, greatest rivalries because that story together was bigger. Than McEnroe Lendl Makomo even McEnroe Connors I think Maxima. Bowl is the one that has left the biggest impact on the sports perhaps for the matches. They didn't have perhaps for this match in particular the nineteen eighty Wimbledon final, but you know it just. You kinda argue with you know just the place that has in Tennessee history. I mean that was very persuasive from both of you, but I like my rivalries with with I grow. And also disagree with Mary. I mean. If. If. Anyone knows Makamure it is it is Mary? Carillo and How great to have her talking about him, just getting her insight, you know. I've listened to that that story. If the plane ride home in the tears of John McEnroe senior I think four times now, and I have shed a tear every time. It's it's quite something and I. Yeah! I know you've. parent-child relationships are. are a difficult and multi-layered and I. Don't think John. Is dodgers any different but I I hope that he knew how how prouty was generally, when when he came to the a championship events in Belfast and Joe McEnroe Sania came to that events with him and and I mean he was simultaneously. Appalled by some of his behavior even that week. He was really upset Him. A because you always use say better than this you better. You know you couldn't. You didn't like to seemed that, but he was is as fan he was just absolutely is biggest fan. You saw him every match and the pride that they actually did an interview together for BBC radio, which was a lovely moments, and the pride, which they had of being farther, and some was evidence for all to say. Something in my eye again. Would love lovely NATO and I I'm sure you'll books. Parents were proud of him to PS. Yeah couple one more thing Mary, said he, absolutely, they trusted the match I would I would like to get that. toot my forehead, if possible because. Tennis tennis its own soundtrack so much of the time the the the rise and of the crowd, the umpire, announcing the school, the little mattering at the players might have and. She's right that that broadcast is just such joy just to sit and let it play and watch and interesting Gal along with it and yeah. I think also the pace of play. I mean Makomo is kind of slow books fast. It's got all the ups and downs relations. It's It is a real treat just to watch back. The post was great. We can keep their costs for. What part of the policy beginning tomorrow? We are going five years later to nine, thousand, nine, hundred, five and seventeen year old Boris. Becker winning the title the whole, yes. Yeah beating Kevin Curran in the final who? David interview just yesterday spoke to him yesterday and spoke to a number of people that are part of that Boris Becker Journey and and you'll be hearing. Those in tomorrow's show really was really fun one to. To investigate the behind the scenes in oils have such vivid memories of it myself as a twelve year old kid so. Yeah I I. Mean I've been having the best time. We finally entering the territory if David's vast vast memory bank so should be fun. Not The you know the last two suffered from from not being in your memory, David, but I'm they've been great and just as with the friendship open relived pods I mean there are treat, aren't they? They are they're expanding our. Tennis Broadcasting Horizons with every episode, so you're enjoying them to shoutout to Gerald. He's still busy, being excellent and nonchalance in inbox or somewhere. Answering, Fan Mail and instagram. Oh! Oh is Gerald at risk. They've becoming too big for his boots. Just embracing his sizeable moment. 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Mason and Ireland HR 3: Fast Track!

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland HR 3: Fast Track!

"I it is time for fasttrack and John. One side of the coin. Mock draft five is absolute money taken to the back. Take it to the bank on the other side of the coin. I screwed it up. Call it in the air. I think you were right the first time. Take it to the back and throw it away. It will you will. You will finish dead last in the mock draft competition tales screwed up. I screwed it up to him and I thought I had this figured out all right. Ireland is see you fast track all right so I was reading an article the other day about how various shoe companies have blown. Endorsement deals over the years in the eighties. Feeler had John McEnroe when they misspelled his name on a racket and left ending up at Nike Nike. Once made a pitch to Steph curry but forgot to change the name a slide presentation and messed it up. He ended up going under armor. So here's my question. Pretend you own. A huge sports apparel company like Nike Adidas. Under armor. You get to pick one athlete to endorse your stuff but you only get one and you get the first pick any athlete any sport but you only get one guy or girl you can take tiger. Mike Trout Lebron anybody who you are in peril company with correct Even though he's at the very tail end of his career because I think he could have a legacy beyond his current career. I'm going to say Lebron I lindsay. What do you think I disagree? That he's at the tail end of his career ended the near the end of his career. He's not he's in his thirty. He's not he's not a guy you're going to have active for for twenty years. I would probably like right now. I don't know it's I would. My initial thought is Tiger Woods because golf is expensive right off the payroll is choice and you know he can golf for however long however many more years so. I guess that's probably what I'd go. It's tiger tiger. Who you take. I think I'm taking Ziona. He's the next Big Star That's a good call next star. The need-we Lebron is an choice because Lebron is a brand. He's more than an athlete but Mason. You already took Lebron. I think Lebron right answer but I was thinking because he's incredibly marketable and he's only twenty four. I think I could. I would consider Patrick Mahomes I. He's got a funny voice. He's he's good in the commercials he's already in now. I think you could do at Tom. Brady kind of existence with Patrick. The number one he pa- he passed Brady this week for number one in. Nfl Jersey sales. I think I would consider him. But there's not a wrong answer to that question like if you you could take seven or eight people and still come out way ahead on that deal. I don't necessarily think I would take trout. Because he's not really he's a great player but he's not really a star. He doesn't do a lot of deals or endorsements or stuff like that. He's the best baseball player. So if you're not gonNA take Lebron I think I would lean towards MAHOMES FAST. Track all right. Let's see here. Let's do this so I got a little baseball. We've been talking to baseball today. I got a list of the top. Five active players wins above replacement. Top five active players in wins above replacement. Three strikes. And you're out. Who are they all right? Cleansing one having above replacement. One has to be Mike Trout correct. There's no way that one of them isn't travel. Might trump number two number number two. Wow rear wins. Above replacement can point. Clarification can any of these pitchers or any of the sisters pitchers do get wins above replacement. Yes I'm thinking I feel like Berliner has to be one of them because he's I mean he's been so good I don't I don't know it's career. Look for Rape Mace. Yes career I know. He's been Lindsey this. I know he's been awful since he got traded to the angels but wasn't Albert pools so flower above and beyond everyone else when he was in saint. Louis he had like the greatest Gore numbers ever. You don't think so if it career now because numbers over the past. Three years have brought him down a lot. I remember it's cumulative it keeps going. Your numbers never go down. It's cumulative your numbers keep adding up so it has average. No no no it I wins. Are you responsible for over the years? You're probably all right. I'll pools number one there. You go okay all right so then that takes away all takes waiver lander you. Yeah you think that it. Wow so would would one of them be up pitcher. I will tell you. There are two pitchers on the list. Okay so the other two are pitchers. Yup So let's get verleger desk. Justin verlander Justin verlander number three. Yes there's a pitcher and a hitter remaining okay. A pitcher and a hitter charming maybe like Felix. I will tell you that. The pitcher is a former dodger. Okay I just thought of this right when you said it confirmed it. Think about Zach. Grandkids Lindsey early in his career. He was great in Kansas City. He was great in Milwaukee. He was great with the dodgers. He's now great in Arizona. In terms of wins I think it has to if he said if you want us to current dodger I would have guessed kershaw but since he said former I think it has to be verleger. You agree grinky yeah. He's probably up there. Grinky grandkids number four. Yes you remaining. Only one guy left all right. Here's a hitter too. Many strikes left. You've got all your strikes. What about like. Maybe I think that's a great answer unless it's like what about like Robbie Casino. Would he be more than Cabrera's Cabrera still playing? Yeah he's still playing if he's still playing. It's gotta be Cabrera. Yeah Cabrera Cabrera it. Is You go five to five is one of my favorites even always played against the Indians that I hated him as a tiger. Like he's he's so can say something. Can I say something embarrassing? I thought Tucker Breyer was out of the League. Then he's been injured and he hasn't played while the past two years he's been still in Detroit. Yeah he's a ten year deal there by the way you were on the right track. Robbie is number six Clayton Kershaw number seven. Joey votto number eight my next guess. Sherzer number nine and Cole. Hamels who've been around for a long time is number ten. Yeah Wow Seattle's track. I didn't go that. He's not active. Active Okay Mace. A group of three anonymous drivers took advantage of the open highways and drove an Audi a eight from New York City to Redondo Beach in an amazing twenty six hours at the beginning of last week but not everybody is impressed. Alex Roy the host of the no parking podcast and the two thousand six transcontinental record holder says the latest run reported to have taken place on April fourth but only revealed in recent days was irresponsible given the intent of stay at home orders across the country. Here's what Alex Roy said quote any other time if one arrive safely no harm no foul in theory morally questionable for sure a run now brings with it. The unknown. Did I catch a fuel? Pump today transmit the virus. Did they contribute to the problem? In an immeasurable way one to enter into the zone of doing such a thing today. One can never know if you can say no harm no foul and quote. So here's my question. What term better describes this Canon ball twenty six hour run impressive and fun or reckless and stupid got the roads are so frigging empty? But it is Kinda. I'm GONNA say ambitious and fun. Impressive and fun yet. Lindsay. What do you think President? Fun Or reckless and stupid. Well I think as long as nobody got hurt. It's impressive and fun. Something that hurt us not impressed. Impressive in funds sounds very fun to me. Well here's the problem though to back up this Alex Roy. We'll when we don't know if anyone got hurt because if they did grab gas pump and plays on metal for forty eight to seventy two hours the virus so if they grabbed a gas pump and then you and I were the next people go into the gas station. Maybe they did transmit the virus. Anybody who's going to the gas station now are not immediately hand sanitizing or pierrot wiping right afterwards. I don't know I actually of well-made filled up my gas tank once during this whole Corentin and I wore gloves. Maybe overly cautious but I I actually. I think I did too now that I think of it. Yeah I mean I think it makes sense by the way. Gas prices are just ridiculous right under a dollar somewhere in the United States under a dollar. Can you believe that I mean I'm sure it's not that way in California but I mean for it anywhere to be under? A dollar is insane dollar nine in Ohio. A dollar nine. Can you imagine but nobody is anywhere to go? Yeah but I mean the the prices are based on demand and always have been Odem and yeah. Let me look what they are right now in in Los Angeles I the it was the last time I paid attention to it. They were like four dollars and so I just Google gas prices in Los Angeles right now. It's still it's still up there. How much three three dollars. Settles cheap still champion? Gases always going up to forty nine to forty nine other when you go to lowest average was three sixty you go to lowest the brea you can go fill up for two twenty two dollars and twenty seven cents. Wow Wow that's crazy all right coming up. Next question has got a question fasttrack. Five o'clock rolls on seventeen. Espn rolling with five o'clock fasttrack and functions to you fast. Track all right big news. Today has an official Whitney Houston Bio pic is in the making. The Hollywood reporter broke the news at the Houston. Estate has agreed to produce a film with her longtime producer. Clive Davis now. The film's working title. Is I WANNA dance with. Somebody also joined. The project is screenwriter. Anthony McCartan who wrote the Queen bio-pic Bohemian rhapsody. Wow now very excited. That is coming out. Has Most of us really. Don't know what on Whitney from the early two thousands up to her death now. Who is another senior athlete or celebrity? You'd like to see a biopic based on her life. Well the one that has to be coming at some point is something on the Beatles. Maybe they're waiting for McCartney and Harrison to pass but the Beatles are the are the biggest band ever right. I mean at some point. Somebody has to do a biopsy. Do just do on John Lennon. Paul McCartney right but I would think that's the one I mean they're doing Elvis's already in the works. They've already casted it and they were starting to shoot it. I think in Australia. Yeah when the corona virus broke out so Elvis's the one that's coming next but the Beatles I think would be at least the biggest target that day could hit. There are more Beatles fans than pretty much anybody. Can you think of Mesa Athlete? A famous person bigger than the Beatles. No the weird thing is they've been there hasn't been a definitive Beatles bio-pics but bio pay but there have been. There was one about John and Yoko. There was one about John. Lennon called nowhere boy. So they've been they've they've nibbled around the one. I'm really excited about is more Scorsese's doing a bio pic of Frank Sinatra with Leo DiCaprio as the as Frank Sinatra and. Apparently he's been getting ready for this for years. I've watched I've seen every rat. Pack Movie Miniseries Document? Tina Sinatra did one in the eighty s about her dad that was based on the Kitty Kelley Book And then. Hbo Did the Rat. Pack where Cheeto was in that gray plate Sinatra now and yeah? Yeah the the interesting thing about Whitney Houston. We'll have you guys watch the Whitney Houston documentary tests and watch it so good. So Lindsey do. They address her sexuality in the documentary. On I don't think honestly they kind of like dance around it a little bit. So we'll the bio pic dance around it. That's that's called. I WANNA dance it. Somebody CH- but the one thing I mean there were there. Were some there were there. Were some people that felt like. They didn't in the case of the of the Queen bio-pic that they didn't deal with Freddie Mercury's sexuality honestly I thought they did we miss. What did you think were you happy with the way they depicted his sexuality and blaming rhapsody? Yeah I thought I thought they did a a fair. I don't know much about his sexual history so I know that he. He swung both ways. I don't know exactly which side got more at bats but I so it's hard for me to say but I thought they dealt with it to some degree honestly it felt it felt real to me by the way rocket man. I mean it was. It was at the heart of rocket man. How his MOM disowned him? Over it yeah and. I thought they did a good job of of doing an honest depiction of Elton John. In that movie with Whitney I'll give you an example like you mentioned what sports person would do it for years. People have been trying to make a movie about John. Wooden because that's the greatest coach but I'm trying to remember who has the right to maybe our Buddy Mike Warren who listens to the show about. I think Mike may have all night. You're right but the people that have had the rights over the years have always insisted that it has to be G. or PG like they're not going in. You're not you're not putting Sam Gilbert in it. You're not putting any of the of without San Bill Without Sam. Gilbert is not an honest so it's never been done like multi who would be good John. What about Ronald Reagan? That's fascinating now. It'd be a really interesting one because he started out as an actor because he would be a good one. But the thing with princes isn't purple rain kind of the movie of Princes life if you do a bio pic on. Chris. You're not getting it not getting different with the end of it because that was what thirty years ago? Yeah a lot of but Jimmy. Jam said that when he went to grade school and high school prints. And Jimmy listens to the show. And Jimmy. Said if you if you would start princes life story. You'd have to start at that. He was legitimately a prodigy like he could play every instrument when he was ten or twelve years old. I mean so that's where you could start it similar to where they started rocket man went out and John was Reginald to white and he was a kid. I would love to see a Marvin Gaye. Bio-pic big right buddy. Kevin Reese just texted me while you're talking about this The sports photographer that Marvin Gaye would be a good one. Yeah there's an aretha Franklin one coming out this summer it stars the actress who played Harriet. Tubman this last year in that movie. Harriet who was nominated for an Oscar. That's that's a great one aretha Franklin. There's now that now that they've nailed some of these bio-pics I really liked Bohemian rhapsody and really liked. Oh Man I like both of them. I thought both were great. And they're completely two different tax. I mean like in in Bohemia and rhapsody Rami Malik. Who didn't win an Oscar for playing Freddie Mercury? Yes he did okay so he lips inked they use Freddie's actual voice and Taryn Edgerton. The Guy who played Elton John. Even though Elton John Still Alive and they completely could've used his voice. When I heard that EDGERTON WAS GONNA SING. I thought well. Wow they blew that. You couldn't use Elton John's actual voice and then I went and saw the movie and loved it. So there's there's a lot of like with Whitney the Whitney by a pick you almost have to lip sync that right you. You'd be impossible to copy her voice. Yeah it's always more impressive when they sing them though like Sissy space at coal miner's daughter. She's saying that park turn. Edgerton sang the Elton. John Part I can't. I don't know I haven't read up on the Scorsese project with Sinatra but I got to imagine you're using Frank's voice and Leo's GonNa lip sync it. I don't know I would have passed and not tras. Nickname was the voice. I wouldn't put it past them. I wouldn't put it past them. I have no idea boy. That's fascinating decision isn't it is to be able to try to pull off like one of the things about les miserables. I'm trying to remember who directed it and I don't but he insisted on everybody singing the actor singing their own parts and Russell. Crowe is a terrible zing awful. He's just off. Everybody else was great. Everybody else kill and Hugh. Jackman was great all day another day. Another desolate calvary crumbled. Shirley come a second time. One day was it. Joe Bear the name of Russia there and yet he was awful. Yeah and so. That's a very tough decision. When you're doing a musical bio-pic what about sports is okay? So we know we know what the hang up on John. Wooden is is there somebody else in sport the OJ's been done? It's got to be somebody complicated right. That's that's what you want right. You want somebody complicated like Mike. Tyson would be complicated. Pete rose but that work. Espn did a wherever they used to make movies and they did a pete rose. Movie starring Dash Meat Hook Dash Hook. Tried to get that guy in the air for like two years ago. But it didn't work Bobby Knight. Espn tried to do a fictional movie on Bobby Knight. That might be a good one if you had a good script and a good director Lance Armstrong might be an interesting one. Yeah if you told the unvarnished truth Tiger might be an interesting one. All these have been tried. It's the guys that are the most complicated. I think that are the most interesting. But there's also the toughest wants to pull off and the the ones that it's easiest to go off the rails. Yeah interesting question though. Yeah good one punch as you would have got well. I don't know if I could top that that was quite a good Combo there But you know. Yesterday we talked about branding and what bud light is doing surrounding the booze with Roger. Goodell and the NFL draft. And I saw this other thing going around social media where a restaurant chain olive garden there helping out high school seniors whose problems were cancelled because the cove nineteen and they're offering to simulate their experience with photo manipulation according to UPI and from everything. I've seen on social media Olive Garden is having seniors upload photos of themselves and their dates or friends in promise tire and then send them to the restaurants instagram and twitter accounts and then they will edit the photos together with like olive garden steamed backgrounds. I guess to like and they're they're simulating the prom photo experience. You know when you've got a prominent it's like you got like the cheesy like hand around your your dates waste pictures no pun intended when you're talking about all of us exactly and and it's funny you say that because some of the the backgrounds have like. Funny Olive Garden theme slogans like Breadstick Bay most saucy Prince of Parmesan like all these stupid things. So I mean I guess I wanted to ask you guys a would you guys let me take photos of you and upload these Garden Instagram so we could make fake problem fixers and be. Is this something where it's kind of like this is more of like a slap in the face. These people like they don't get a problem. Let's not let's not get. I was just thinking that Jewish in worse. Yes that's kind of what I I think. I understand olive garden trying to do something. Nice during the quarantine. If I was high school senior I would pass maze. How about you? I would also pass and I'll tell you of all the restaurants that I would want to take my prom date to all due respect you know endless salad and breadsticks doesn't necessarily say to me. I don't like using coupon on a date. You know it's like that that's not my and olive garden. I'm sure it totally respectable organization and they make. I never liked their food. My mom loves their endless salad and break a big fan of the Olive Garden. Yeah never never been. My thing doesn't seem like authentic Italian food to me but yeah if you're going on a date probably olive garden is not your first choice. Well I also wanted to say that. I notice a lot of people on facebook myself. Included started doing this Senior picture thing where it's like in honor of the twenty twenty seniors post a picture from your senior year when you graduated so we can show support for the seniors and I posted mine and then somebody had a really good point they said. Don't you think that's kind of like nagging at them and kind of making them feel worse like how is that supporting them by showing your senior picture and saying? Hey guess what you. Don't get a graduation. But here's what mine looks like. Do you guys agree with that? Yeah I do. I do agree with that. I do agree with that. All right take mine down then. Well No if you're having fun with it more power to you but I think you find your picture. I don't think so but a look. See if you can find it. That would be cool. Lindsey can you find your picture online? Yeah let's let's what about you? Oh function go to the prom if I find it. I'm pretty sure I will be in a light. Blue Ruffled Tux. I've like a white talks with tales. Lindsey was before I was dumb dumb before dumb and dumber even exists and I will. I will look for it. I don't be but I will look for it all right more faster coming up next for you mason in Ireland Seventeen. Espn I rolling OUT WITH FAST. Track and fast track to Australian doctors weighing in about the spread of the Corona Virus. And whether it can be spread through flatulence during Friday's episode of the Australian Corona Cast podcast host. Dr Norman Swan made a cautionary suggestion when it comes to a fart and the spread of covert nineteen. He says quote. Luckily we wear a mask which covers our gas all the time pants shorts underwear but to be safe. You shouldn't pass gas when you're close to other people and you shouldn't Fart with your bottom bear. This could redefine the term silent but deadly Had It ever occurred to you that we could pass the virus by farting and will you take an additional precaution because of the research about farts and Cova. Nineteen your first question. I know it never occurred to me but I have an observation in. Tell me if you agree. If you gotta go you gotTa go Kinda Right. It's like it's not like you can control always I mean. Sometimes you can't but wait a minute of course you can control it. No yes you can always control it when you were dating Lisa. Tell me I mean at some point right it was. It was standard issue that you both farted but at the beginning yeah far from her as long as possible right. Yeah until a certain point so you were able to hold it back until you're comfortable enough with Lisa to be able to do it this way. If you're on a plane okay. You don't want to get up. You don't want to go to the back you don't you if you can. Let's let's have an honest discussion about okay. Honest discussion yes. You want to control the sound but you can't completely suppress the act. You know you on us. You're right you can. You can release it into the seat of a plane correct and if you do according to Your Australian doctors. You're putting others at risk you are. You're putting others at risk so it's dangerous. Let me answer your question this way. I'll do what I can. I'll try hard not to do it but I would like to think I always do what I can. You know you know it's funny i. I'm assuming that you now have the relationship with Lisa where you fart in front of each other right not. Yeah like I was GONNA say not intentionally but sure because I never did with one ever ever under any circumstance neither did he and one day he did and from that point on off to the races. Didn't that was where once it happens once. Okay it's all right you know if if I do it now you know the very first thing. I say what Reagan blame the dog. Blame the dog. Then go Reagan. That's terrible what are you doing pissed off? That told that I would be too. I was going to think that you have clearance to tell that I don't know this. So yeah clearly. All right launch fast track all right. Mace chippendales has been part of the Las Vegas Entertainment Landscape for nearly twenty years. Sure now while it headquarters at the Rio Hotel and all of their casino showrooms are shut down the male strippers are coming to your house. If you like Chippendales at home is a new online experience that allows viewers to hang out and party with the men of Chippendales to chat flirt play games or get or give a virtual lap dance each thirty minute party will feature at least two cast members and will be hosted on streaming platforms such as Zoom House. Party facetime or Google Hangout. Do you think this will work? Chippendales normally a big hit for Bachelorette parties in twenty twenty. I guess we should include Bachelor parties for Gay Couples. But the thing is it's always been that you get to see. These guys in person will chippendales online. Be a hit or a miss total miss total mess. I the whole purpose of it right. I mean the idea is now. I've never been to a show like this. I've been to strip bars. Strip virtual strip ours wouldn't work. Would they know Lindsey are you would would I know when the last time you went to a Bachelorette party is would would virtual chippendales work? Now I think like half of the half of the fun and allure whatever of going to those things now. I've honestly never been to anything like that. I've never been like a male review but I think a lot of it is the fact that you're in this like dark lit. Plays with your girlfriends doing this thing that you're not like really supposed to be doing body and like to bring it into your own. House. I don't I just don't see that working because I feel people wanted that type of interaction like they could just watch porn. You know. That's the thing why not. Just watch porn. What is the Chippendales thing about porn? I guess if they're like you said they're looking for the interaction part where it's like you're flirting with them and with them but like to me. I'd imagine was it being a big brand like chippendales. It probably costs a decent amount of money and you could find people on those creepy websites. You can find people to chat with for a lot less money. I'm sure right. I understand why they're doing it. I think they're trying to be creative in the time of the current virus. But I don't think this is gonNA fly. I don't funchess you think chippendales online's GonNa work. No like Lindsey said you know just go look at Porn. That's a one sentence. Answer to widen. This won't work. Actually Lindsey said just go look at porn you know the intimacy of that whole experience and then to bring it like you're bringing it into your own home on both ends too. Because what are these guys going to be at the club? They're probably going to be their homes. And whatever and I just feel like there's probably something about the interaction on both sides that just makes it like wildly uncomfortable. So we're all in agreement not gonNA work changing your one more you WanNa bring. Let's see one I've got a I've got a game. And this was suggested yesterday on voicemail that we toughen up name that tune and we actually use the name of the song so this you're looking you're looking for the name of the song the name of the song. Okay okay. So it's Lindsey versus John. Here is song number one Lindsey. It's bad guy. Correct CEO didn't know that but I knew that was wrecked. Exactly this is what makes a tough now. Okay all right. So it's Lindsey up one. Nothing here is song number. Two Lindsey Rolling in the deep by rolling in the deep to offer Lindsey easier than you thought. John No no I I knew that one. Yeah but I don't know it's it's throwing me for a loop at this strike up. Here is song number. Three John. John Norwegian would Norwegian would yes it is two to one you knew that one Lindsay. Yes good job all right so it's two to one here. Is Song Number? Four Clinton on Lindsey got there first that would be Netzer John John. Ugo single ladies all the single ladies. I wasn't gonNA say 'cause you played a weird part of it coming down to this to to it all comes down. Make sure you listen. Deep into this cut okay. Mystery Song Number Five Lindsay Lindsay. That would be I know it's Taylor Swift. It's called I'm going to need an answer. No ring to one no Ireland. You get to listen into the cut. Listen carefully I know the name of it. John Play John. Okay almost there. This is longer than I thought it was. Okay no it. Doesn't I wait a minute? I'll take I'll take a shot okay. Took a shot. I think this was that. Huge itchy had that was blank space. Yes that is absolutely correct. John Ireland with the win on a Taylor Swift Song. Well I was GONNA say blank check and I knew that well space out of it so maybe by the way that is harder much harder much harder but you guys got all of three to two dramatic hard airland with the win on a Taylor Swift Song. I more fasttrack coming up next for you. Mason Ireland Seventeen. Espn I rolling with fasttrack in Ireland. You Okay I got a game with the NFL draft coming tomorrow. Some team will inevitably take somebody that we've never heard of. Yes so here's the game. Everybody on this list is either a former NFL player. Yup Somebody who was in the draft or a movie character. Okay so somebody who once played in the NFL or the name of a character from a movie. Let's see how you guys do all right first. Name swayze waters swayze Waters Lindsay? Is That A. Is that a character in a movie or an NFL draft pick. I'm going to guess it's character movie okay. Nfl Draft Pick Mace easy wise. Nfl Draft Pick Mason and funchess get the point. Swayze waters was an NFL kicker with the Detroit. Lions great name next name Cap. Boso -bio cap both. Oh French movie or NFL draft pick. It sounds like a movie character. Okay a mace Cap Bozo. I am going to say that is a movie character. Lindsey guests movie character to all three of you. Incorrect Bozo was a tight end for the bears. Okay next name Cleveland Heap. Cleveland Heap H. E. E. P. Mace NFL draft. Pick or movie character. Sounds like a movie character. Lindsey sounds familiar but I can't remember which one of the two it would be familiar from. Figgers yes draft. Pick a break. Thai movie character funches and Mason get the point. That was Paul G Ahmadis character in the movie lady in the water. Okay next name Lindsay back to you. Atari biggby Atari biggby GONNA guess draft. Pick okay drop pick. Mace sounds like a draft. Pick to me all three of you. Correct he was the NFL's defensive player of the month for the packers in two thousand seven. Three for funches three for. Mason one for Lindsey Finch Wetherbee Swan whether be Swan funchess movie character. You're going movies. Mace Wetherbee Swan. I that sounds like a movie character. All right Lindsey. It's definitely movie character. Do you know where it's from Lindsey. Isn't it from pirates? Correct five from pirates of the Caribbean. I'm not sure. I think that might have been Jeffrey. Russia's character in pirates isn't the girl's name is Swan right whether we swan is from pirates right. Okay back to you book. Cari Rambo Buchori Rambo. Is He an NFL draft? Pick or a movie care. That sounds like a draft. Pick right there okay. Mace a great name Bakari Rambo. I'm GonNa say that is a movie character. Or Lindsey break. The Tie Movie Character Fund is the only one that gets it but curry. Rambo is a current safety for the Washington redskins. A car is a weird name. He's he's supposed to ours. Aright provide for funches four for Mason to for Lindsay. Three names left me back to you. Silken floss Silken floss mesas that the NFL draft pick or movie character. Sounds sounds like a movie character to me. Okay Lindsey movie character. Nfl DRAFT PICK silken loss. I'll go with Mason. Same movie character movie character. All three of you correct you know. It is no scarlet. Joe Hansen in the movie. The spirit her name is Silken floss. Okay there are two names left. Six for funches five for Mason. Three for Lindsey Cypher. Rage Cypher Rage Mace. This one's yours movie character or NFL draft. That's gotTa be some kind of movie villain okay. Cypher Rage Lindsey. Drastic Fudge break the tie. Traffic Mason gets it. That was the name of will Smith's character in the movie after Earth. I think which was really bad movie. Wasn't it Mace? There was a terrible terrible movie. Oh dominates not battlefield. Earth was the Travolta movie. That was terrible terrible movie. I never even heard of that movie I love. Is that the movie with his son. I think so after Earth. We'll look it up later. Mason six funchess six Lindsay three. But this happens to be worth four points and find. You need to go first Mr Alexander Mr Alexander Bench movie character or NFL DRAFT NFL draft. Pick right mace. Nfl draft. Pick Lindsey. Well the only way that I can win is to guess the opposite even though I feel like I've heard this before I'm going to say movie character. Boxed in Lindsay new chains to wait a tie between Mason and funchess. Mr Alexander is a former linebacker for the Houston Texans Spring. His first name is Mr Mr Alexander and Maintenance Mason Lindsey our. I'm sorry funches and Mason Tie for the title by the way after Earth was an m night. Shyamalan movie starring Will Smith and his kid eleven percent on the tomato meter on rotten tomatoes eleven movie. Alaron percent wow yarns awful okay. So do you WANNA break and call this guy or this guy. Now we found the Guy. Who did the beverly hillbillies thing? Let's let's call them now first of all. Well she can't do both at the same time. Go ahead and call him. We'll we'll we'll fill for a minute and tell us when you got him. And then we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA play his Voicemail now we've set up this voicemail line in Mason challenge the audience today to come up with jingles songs little little hook songs that we can play coming. In and out of commercials. The voicemail line is five three zero. Espn seven ten five three zero three seven seven sixty seven ten and most people misinterpreted what? Mason wanted he wanted actual jingles something with with a musical element. Some people may sent slogans slogans. We yeah we don't need slogans right what we want our like musical element so one guy sent in a very funny beverly hillbillies theme kind of Jingle French. What's our what's our status. He didn't pick up yet. Okay so play. His yet. Plays Jingle Plays Jingle and we'll see if we can find him after the break here. Was this jingle in Ireland. Plenty I got e opening for your show from and listen to a story about a man named fee for Ohio Lord Mother there to free and one day just 'cause he was breaking wind and in through the door what they've done. That is silver spoon. One percenter while the next thing you know won't Steven John Repaired and found an amber. So who would put him on? The air said California is a place you will begin over. They loaded up their gear. They moved to save contain radio that is ESPN eastern in Ireland. Show don't offend me. Don't don't don't some mighty fine Banjo playing. It's been an art star presentation. I think he said Art Star Arts Punch. What's his name? Do you got him. I got him on the line. Okay put him on. Hey man what's your name Star Star? You were great man. That's exactly what we were looking for. How long did it take you to come up with that? Honestly you guys like when you. I said you wanted something like jingles like that so I was already off from work so I was inside a parking lot of a walgreens believe it or not and I just started thinking of you know what kind of subject to put together so I started thinking you know a guy from Ohio guy from la La Land Fan. He'd be just like that. Beverly hillbillies for then. I just had to put some words together. So I started thinking about Steve. From Ohio Blah Blah Blah and Saul came together. My my favorite part of it was he needed a three syllable word to describe somebody who put us on the air. And he came up with imbecile. Missile is perfect and he also wrote a rhymed breaking wind with Ireland. Yeah which was scrape art. We're GONNA wear that thing out man if you think of any more like that. Send Him in we that we wanted to say thank you. That is exactly what we're looking for. What by the way John Real quick? You know that the guys play of Somebody Berating you for picking while five times. That was me. Oh good excellent. Point Mason me not. I was sitting next to you. The wreckage you left and the locks poker invitation at the Commerce Casino who lasted longer art. Oh he both before me fast in that tournament he had to get that. Gift Card seat number two. If I'm not mistaken bid five grand in mythical money on it lasts longer and I beat them. I don't know if you remember that very bad. Be No one else did you. Yeah Great Art. Thanks guys appreciate it. Appreciate Man Yeah. I busted out of the tournament. I pocket King. Somebody who's sitting on pocket aces by the way you completely ignored my invitation to the poker game. Your name has been removed from our potential list. Oh Hey know somethin'. Actually something came up family wise. Yeah but he didn't tell me are you right. I didn't well anyway. You're you may work your way back up to the to the alternate how you're at the bottom. I went from winning the week before coming in dead. Last how many players have we had eight eight players? Yeah well known yet eight players. You told me that it was just a few players. I didn't realize it was going to be eight players and now pool table. Yeah now I think this week. We've got nine to nine on Saturday. Wow impressive all right coming up next for you. Ladies and gentlemen as time goes Oh nope forgot for sleep at Sunset Mason and Ireland. Crosstalk talk was sleeping next seven ten. Espn WOW that that big production damn look at the time. They're putting into Christopher Alice working his tail. Off On this intro for Crosstalk. That sounds great. Sleep you've become a star. Wouldn't go that far. I would go that far your known your your unknown person. Many people know who you are. I'm in the background and if I could be in the background that's okay. I'm completely have you been. Have you been on the Campaign Ski Late Night? Hoedown yet you know woah not invited yet. Not invited I think that's a Could be a personal thing. I know the CAM brothers beef. You know what their slogan is. You know their slogans will take anybody so you should definitely go on to the podcast right when I'm done with this show. I'll just go right into that show. You might as well. I'll just keep going by the way. Mace who is that guy that put that thing together the thing you tweeted out the poster you put it out on twitter. I do not know who did that. The poster is unbelievable. How freaking good is that? It's that is the actual chinatown poster. Yeah no I know. But that's the funniest thing the way he put the way he put our faces in there and spent some damn time on this and I love that you told him can you do it. Did he end up or you wanted to sleep after sunset right right. It's sleep it right now at Slough after dark. Which at certain times a year after dark makes sense but sleep at sunset? That is a magnificent poster. I actually own that poster autograph by Robert Town who wrote the screenplay no face general. I don't know how he got our faces to look mostly like our faces. It's too good. It's good and I love his response back to you you said. Hey can you make this Sunset? He's like yeah. I'm just at work right now. When I'm done I'll get on it like like almost as if of course it's on my to do list you got it may whatever you yeah it is. It's a beautiful piece of work you know. I think that's one of the things I was talking to. I did a podcast day with Michael. Mando who plays Nacho Varga on breakneck? Great actor and great actor. He's got some low in the in the last few episodes of this season that are just unbelievable crazy and the one thing we were talking about is that people are while while we're all sheltering in place. We're all doing the stuff we're supposed to be doing if you notice. The memes are better. The gifts are better. There is so much creativity out there because people have so much time on their hands and I think when all is said and done after this terrible thing is over they're going to be screenplays and books and all kinds of stuff that people who have written because there's so much creativity that's happening right now. All you gotTa do is look at the me. I sent you the one last night of the little girl. Oh Yeah Oh that was that was amazing to actually ratio during the show. I was listening to it during one of the breaks to like. Turn everything off just to listen to it. Did you guys play that yesterday too? Yeah we did. Do we have that one Michael Vance Heaven Los Angeles sports now. That was what I was asking for the little. The little girl asked. How many days have you been quarantined? Do you have that one? You gotta give me a second Yeah we'll give you a second. Yeah by the way we think. Funchess says everything that has fingertips pretty much. He's he's been. He's been pretty clutch. He's he's unbelievably unbelievably good punch has been one of the unsung heroes of this. Entire Quarantine. Funds. Don't bleep it out either let. Let's really get the. We're definitely bleeping out that little girl. There's nothing funnier than that. A Little Kid cussing kids. Do Not cuss. Please do not look at areas. If you look at her to mace she like that's the last little girl that you think that's GonNa come out of her mouth. That's what she's GonNa say so just throws you off completely but yeah. I saw that. It was hilarious yesterday. Sleet have you done a mock draft like everybody around here? I have done a mock drafts. How do you do you want me just to check in with Mel Kiper again? Is that where you got it from? I got a lot of my picks from Mel Kiper. I actually have spent the last few weeks researching and looking at film. I've looked at a lot of film. What do you think of that offensive guard out of at Obama offense? I'm telling you what that that guy big. Nfl Body really really mature scored really well on the Wunderlich interviewed well. They're really impressed with them. I don't think I've seen a D be like that guy out of Utah in years. That's just my personal opinion. Never I'm not gonNA attach a name to who he is because I want people to do their own research but he's amazing you know. I got A. I got a note from my mom and my Stepdad. Leo I got the same note is very Ni- just right. Just wrote him back. Yeah just listened to your interview with John Too late. We were both in tears. A couple of instances. I really feel like I am now. A member of the family especially with John's comments added to your and once Please let John Know that we both appreciate him as a real friend. This was a great show in the idea of interviewing. You is a great concept. Bring it on and then at the. Andy says this will be the last serious message. You will ever hear from me I I. I thought is he trying to move out of not stepdad status? This could move them closer to that but then step then he finished with that line and I thought all right with the World Yup exactly exactly so you may get a chance to watch the final episode. I watched are you. Are you caught up so Amanda? I caught up to your okay. Yeah so I think it sets up a killer season six. The problem is going to be that. Okay all production is shut down the amount of time between season four and season five was eighteen months which was Mesa around the same amount of time between the last. Two seasons of game of thrones. Now I think we have to project out past eighteen months because there's no shooting Yeah I think we're going to have to wait for a while. There's no production by the way so many people that were That are listening right now. work production They're on cruise. They are actors work on commercials voice over AC. Everybody is it shutdown right now. We feel you know we are. We are so fortunate to be able to have jobs in this environment and You know it is just devastating. What's happening With with people and their inability to work right now It's GONNA be a while for breaking for better call so You know the thing. Is they left it at such a critical moment to I mean talk about a cliffhanger that is an absolute cliffhanger. The guy who plays Lallo is fantastic and the guy the guy I talked to. Michael Mando is fantastic. And you're right about Kim who's played by the Great Race Jorn She did break bad. You're bad that's going to be the focus of the season six is. How far will Kim go because it seems now that Kim gone so far down the rabbit hole that she can't get out? I think now that she's lost all concept of she has no moral compass anymore. None and and so it's going to be but it could be. It could be a very big season six for our Guy Howard to. Oh yeah say he's going to be a big A big thing he does. He looks like he looks like it. Yeah Hey how? How closely have you guys followed? The college admissions scandal. And everything that's been going on with that or you guys still paying attention to that you know that Lori Laughlin and her husband Maasim oh are still pleading not guilty and they still. There are some legal experts who think they are going to get off without any jail time because the guy rick singer who masterminded this plot. They say told them that he was. He was doing everything legally that he was he was just they thought they were making a donation to USC and in return. Rick Singer was getting their girls into school. Well something in the last half an hour may turn this trial again. Jorges Salcedo who was the UCLA soccer coach really guys forever from from two thousand four to twenty one thousand nine hundred. He was there for fifteen years agreed today to plead guilty to racketeering charges. After maintaining his innocence for more than a year. He is agreed to one kind of conspiracy for accepting two hundred thousand dollars in bribes to facilitate the admissions of two students as fake soccer recruits. So this could swing it back the other way this now that the coaches are admitting they were in on it I don't know where people who are pleading not guilty. Have have to stand now. I understand why they didn't just plead guilty like everybody else. They don't want to go to jail. Yeah but I mean felicity. Huffman went to like a country club for ten days and it was all over. She got released for good behavior after after cooking class on the fifth day. Maybe they feel maybe Laurie Laughlin and Massimo Field. That they were lied to that. This Guy Rick Singer took him to the Clintons. They thought they were making a donation to USC and then in return. They're girls were getting in. Which has helped private schools often work? But I don't know I mean what what what's going to be fascinating is like they took pictures of them rowing on crew machines and sent in as part of their application. Which is perpetuating fraud. They weren't crew members but at the same time. If this Guy Rick Singer told him look this is just part of the dance by making a donation? They got a couple extra spots. We'll get him in that way. Are they guilty of racketeering or fraud or whatever they're being accused of? Is that illegal? What John John? Right would it school? What do you believe? Do you believe that they knew I personally was going on? Yeah but yeah I think so too. I don't know it a private school. If you can prove private schools have the right to a restaurant. They have the right to accept or reject. Anybody it's a private school so it's different. Ucla and USC or different in this case they did commit a fraud. What was the deal with the rowing team? Why why did they even need to do that? They had already given so much money to the university. Why did they need to use the rowing crew scam that they use? It's a good question. I think it comes up in the trial but if if the coach agrees that he took a bunch of money like he got a bunch of that money then I think it makes her story really hard to believe but I think that what's going to be fascinating. Is that particular case Maasim. Oh and Laurie is going to go to trial. And that's GONNA be fascinating to watch. I'll tell you what smart people settled because everybody else is settling. Yeah but they're going to try a lot of legal experts if you if you want to read about it you can't just google. It is a lot of legal experts. Think that their attorneys the attorneys for Laurie and Moss. Moscow have have a really good case. And maybe able to get him off this call so so yes so goodman so good so good man he. Did you ever think when you watch breaking bad? That saw goodman was Saul Goodman. No yeah by the way the other thing I'm trying to figure out. How are they going to come back to the CINNABON store? Yeah that's the other thing that they've done. They didn't go to that for the second half of the season because remember at the cinnabon store he got recognized in the mall. That's right so we know down the line in the future. This would be breaking bad. We know that he has been recognized by somebody outside the cinnabon in the mall. So that's the other thing that's got to be wrapped in this in this next season. They they got a lot of loose strings. But you can definitely see how Jimmy mcgeough became so good man maze. How does this work when they did breaking bad? They didn't have any idea they would do. Better Call Saul after this just to actually incredible success and nobody thought of all. I think they thought of all the Great Mike Allen of you watch breaking bad. Yeah yes all saying like if you look back on those characters like the two the two bad ass twins. The twin murderers those are really good characters. Gustavo fring really good character. But you need a central character who you can be sympathetic towards to build it around. In the case of breaking bad walter white he had real honest dilemmas. He had a special needs son. He had no money. He had to get treatment for a fatal disease. How far would you go any breaks? Bet Odin Kirk. You can sympathize with him. You want for Jimmy. Mcgill is brother was jerk to him right. And he's in. Jimmy McGill is is. How far would you go to win? You know what rules would you break? And now Kim who's always kind of bent him towards justice towards morals is now he's swinging. She's gone to the other side now she's GonNa bend him the other way. Let's face Jimmy's the Houston. Astros of lawyers do whatever it takes doesn't matter what rule he twists around. He's going to do it by the way to cheat in a little. Are you going to be blowing through this break again like we did yesterday and you guys are just? GonNa talk until six twenty five now. Why don't we take a break? I don't know completely up to you. I can either break or we can get like twenty four and be done with them and just be. Let's break now. Then we'll get out of twenty four and then we'll be done with them. Excellent idea mason and Ireland seventeen. Espn fair question. What a life. What a life. You Lead Glamorous Radio Star and your little cell in Chinatown glamorous men in one space in my studio. I could see my bed kitchen well. Branka Ski told US Allen that he has fewer square feet than you and he's living with four other people living with his wife and three kids four hundred square foot apartment so it could be worse. Oh my gosh that is Elena nutshell for us. Yes it is yes. It is so so sleep. We've been watching We've been watching better. Call Saul Finale. Was on Monday night. I got around to watching it last night. I was really excited about it. And it lived up to expectations. I would say it exceeded expectations. I didn't expect it to be as dramatic or to have a twist as big at the end of it as it did. That was absolutely spectacular. The fact that we have to wait and I was asking on our offer and you guys already talked about it but the fact that we gotta wait you know at least a year year and a half and that's the scene that we have that just one scene with low at the end where he's walking out and you know Nacho already out too I mean it's a great show in the fact that breaking bad I don't know by the way I don't. I don't know how much success this is. Having over. Breaking bad breaking bad was a lot more popular. You think I do. I think it was more but remember. Breaking bad was slow built right now. Seasons one through four of better call Saul are on Netflix and ultimately season five will be on Netflix too. And that's what saved a few talk to Vince Gilligan. Or Peter Gould or Tom Shaw's or any of those guys that run the show They will tell you that. Netflix is what made breaking bad happens. So ideally you get you get buzzed. Now and people have plenty of time to now go back and watch five seasons and get ready for the finale. There's a chance. It builds the same way. That breaking bad does okay guys do some better call. Saul Trivia. Lena Man. Live for it. Okay all right here. We go Funchess any kind of music. You're feeling back there. How about that? Oh well that's couldn't get any better nat. Okay here got some gimmes by the way. So just your name okay. What is Jimmy's brother's named John? Mason John Chuck. I really thought I was. I not even close to being i. I must be on a delay. Okay what does Hector Salamanca Commute? How does Hector Communicate Interesting? Won't be buzzes him? You can't read the rest of the question I had it anyway. Had I known as sleeping was trying to give it to you? Yeah that's on me. That's not me one here. We go the name of Gustavo's chicken chain. Oh God wait. I'm drawing a blank Poyet's hair minos is it want great at this whole Trivia Thing Allan. Thank you appreciate that appreciate that. What kind of car does Saul Dr John Boy? I duNNo. I can picture it. I'm going to say he drives held together by Bondo. I he drives a oldsmobile. Makes YOU WANNA take a shot? He drives a Ford Suzuki. Suzuki esteem. Is this car. Oh Wow what. Tv NETWORK DOES BETTER CALL AIR ON. A new fleet. My legal last name was AMC. Took lizzy what do we do that? I chose Acapella Ireland. Gets it okay character trying to get out of of both gangs now representing Balsam Mason? That is Nacho Varga. Three two try and find the right one here name of the Bank Kim. Alexa Represents Mason may thirty three three guys three. This aim seven named to riders of better cost Gun Mason skill again and Peter Gould. Four to three guys boo did he really. I honestly think I get some of these. Get screwed out of your mind. You may be a conspiracy here. Basis like shelley winters heat. He thinks they called his name to win an award when they completely floor. You Michael Thompson referencing shelley winters shelley. Winters this yeah. I know but I'm talking. Adventure average audience member doesn't know what the Poseidon Adventure was. There's like zero seventy three zero modern person that has heard their name called and ran up there. There was that well member. There's the one where they screwed up the best picture. La La land yet called up and they didn't win. That was so funny. Greatest thing in the world trade. Your remember who did win. What's the won Miss Earth? Who DIDN'T WIN FOR LA LA land moonlight moonlight who recalled up the Miss Universe? Still a great night Miss Colombia. That got screwed out of it. It's like wait wait. I'm sorry I'm sorry. That was amazing. Still a great night just a classic line that will go down in history so you like to hang around more. But we're done with you. 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The Secret Diary of the Queen Aged 93

Giles Coren Has No Idea

26:33 min | 1 year ago

The Secret Diary of the Queen Aged 93

"<music> welcome to Giles Coren has no idea it's cool this not because I literally no nothing but because it's all about the moment in the week when I have to sit down and write my column but have absolutely Lee no idea what to write it about which is where my wife Esta comes in who having read all the papers whilst I take the kids to school always has half a dozen ideas picked out for me when I get back to be disgusted the kitchen table of Rynd Nice Cup of coffee. Now I know the story the beginning of the week the thought that the Queen keeps a diary jaws brand drifts went to visit the Queen. I feel like would you mean mccovey lives with the queen jobs to say I feel at jobs. Bras is probably around the team with clean employees every week. She go fuck. It's brand new so why does he his name of the wise what the Queen my favorite columnist house currency with an I like Old People Fr Andrey Brooklyn be problems that he's the most famous jars and he's built anyway. Yeah what what do you do you feel it. Charles Projects this famous than is does apple. The people go to be fed than they did Giles. It's not like jaws in what way in what we know I've never been a tory. M P funny voice and I've asked that they have and I said no the as yet another jaws takes me yeah and the problem is with a y. It's such a everyone keeps me. I am now. Probably maybe more famous in I don't know it depends on the demographic you know so but we we both go for the in counties over seventy say share that demographic but I'm I'm just really hoping is that there is there is no in the next twenty thirty years and Esther Walker. Here's a serial killer. That's really difficult is tips. I had a friend when I was younger. He had the name of a very famous serial and it was really bad for her from being called Ted Bundy must be traffic Mitchell Mrs Ripple. We decided to call the Yorkshire to throw jackets hit this weekend. I would just say that I hate is spelled with a y which is like an pretend old-fashioned of menu is like Giles is it's like traditional fair White Cool Giles already which is pretty rough off and you put in there we spend it with Roy Giles maybe to kind of the Viking spelling of Giles Giles with the why the Queen revealed on Monday and I'm quite surprised that people didn't pick up on this Monday. The Queen keeps a diary every day at any evening. She sits down at her desk. Was What do you think is funny about that. They won't understand what fourteen she's ninety three. That's how she talks. That is dead diary. Have you come for Queen Ninety three quarter. That's what it is. The joke isn't it secret diary of Komo down. Let the sun in the Mirror win the express the all the notary records which the Queen Makes Handwritten entries into private diary Michael Palin revealed he had dinner with US interesting the Blah Blah Blah. The actor revealed say Michael Peck. Oh I thought it was joe's brand with O- of got it wrong. It's actually Michael Palin over that gives it a whole new complexion. Oh well that because I'm sure it was Giles Brown Jeff and now they're saying it's Michael Palin so it can't be true. It's not true because I getting it wrong because they were inconsistencies. In seen reported jaws branches. Yes imagined that it was giles browns with he said this. This is not helping me find a story. That's the pegs yes the day when just the news is just it's all just kilometers in climate change and tragedies and the dates of the Queen right although. The Magic Queen One thousand three hundred half but do you have anything what would she say. You're the one who kept a diary of disgusting wishing that this golden had sex it was a bit crowded passed out in the morning. It's really really hated. Didn't you have you had you heard me university university diaries twitching you have having you know that's no okay. You're a bad person. You have often agency sports day yet sports day around the land and Sports Day is is great. I now see why sports there's a great topic because we now have our own sports days whereas in the past those cats but sports day is a big deal as you know that the world famous times Miss Giles Coren did mention it briefly only yes this shame because it's such a great topic and I feel that you may be yes. It's a shame because you could have done it really big so what are talking about the story in the Times about the schooling sculptor Encarta when went slightly hung over included commodore. It's funny it doesn't mean economies engaged to be good. It's the day in Cardo pitztal disposed in Cardiff and the kids have been the parents have been banned from off each sports days because some apparent or parents unknown made such terrible fuss about identity probably their children they were they were haranguing the referees flaring swearing at the teachers in front of the children and then we had our own it'll cathedral at Apple's Day and Chapman which happened what exactly well say all I didn't you didn't come sound. That's sort when it happened and last year when he was in reception did incredibly well in sports day on one leg stuff and came in with a list I because he was really proud because he's very he's a sporty child and Mrs quite central to his personality. He's he's Sportsperson boobs child and then this year eh he set off to a sports day I think sort of assuming that he was king of sports and he was going to win everything and then in his first race racing against his mate. He called Max on his real name but he was racing against his friend Max. Who's he's a big boy like Sam and they were they were thundering down the thing and there was a bit of R._G.? Barging thing they've sort of elbowing each other and there's a little bit and then they crossed the finishing line and I was doing the race and I feel like Tom came first but they gave Max the first sticker so obviously you step in John McEnroe you cannot be serious. You throw your weight about and you defend your kid or do you well. Do you okay so in that moment. I thought Michael What am I gonNA date. Sam was like what you know but when the teacher gives your second sticker you six. He's not going to go wait wait. I came because it was really close. It was really 'cause you can only tell me all the time with our lovely non-competitive schools actually the school sports. It's a bit Wussy. They all get a race against four or five others. They get plenty of goes to win last year because our kids each one race over this is a bit lame then when they actually don't don't win. Do you think I might go so he. He tell yourself these life lessons are you have you can learn how to lose but it was catastrophic was really it was a wealth for me. It was pretty bad and I thought no. I'm not going to go up with my video evidence. is they actually sound one because they'll be on mellow that is not the spirit of the school that we're at and we're at it because it's a gentleman combustive school but then I thought what kind of parent am I not going up to defend my child or that you know he want. He won video evidence and I didn't. I didn't say anything I didn't tell anyone I would just get it to states anything and then Sam who I think was a bit freaked out that he had won this race that he thought he was going to win and he's only six just kind of crashed out of all of his other races. Sack race just fell over egg and spoon race and I'm sorry but like on a complete failure now I was so proud of here which hadn't meant to be and that's the problem if you really proud of them and they win missile Sam. We're GONNA have to take him to some sort of athletics camp and trainings because I can't have this happened again next year. I was so sad you came home crying about this thing that I was calling up because he knows that because. Because he was so brave about it and all other major we have to do something we have to get him steroids and we have to take him some property to take take into Russia where he can be there is there is definitely technique to the moon and the sack race and he had to they cheat they cheat Sheet Man Dad there the flashy dad who has to win everything he's the best and he's got the flashy car and advances clothes and all that kid blue tag to stick to stick the egg to the spoon they call it an egg and spoon rates of trade off the center thing it's not very important but what they did in this race because Sam Might Sam is going to be Kitty in her sports day later on she lost their spoon race and where in Santa raise the kid one because he blew tact divas busted very quickly for sticking but the thought was that I thought was so he should have been banned for at least three years and not allowed to compete if you do that in the Olympics you're gone and you get to come back that boy he should he should be none of these fourteen. It'd be allowed anywhere near if you've even seen with a spoon he should be like but my point is and then Kitty and hurricane race. She came last but she went. She walked the hallway taking very seriously the egg and because Lake is now a tennis bowl. What happens is it? The the kids all ran along. They drop the bouncing back on. It's been they run and it falsely. Put it back in my day. It was an egg the point is you go SPLAT and you can't pick it up. Mm put it back on but the tennis balls also just constantly fall off whereas an egg in a spoon sort of stays they don't but if it does fall off and it comes out so basically what are they learning nothing they just to cheat and so I think that they basically what they're going to need to have is they. I need to go to Russia. They need to have drugs and they need to be made better than the other kids. She WanNa sacrifice though she she like a kangaroo ridiculously proud of yes. This is also the sacrifice. It's very hard drugs the soccer they also probably have bring the salaries back into the Olympics. Yes yes and stuff like that and then Olympic being nice would be fantastic if that's what it ought to be forget the Olympics Sports Day is the real challenge ten more events. It's a new day all with all sports sports stories in the papers on. I'm on board with all organized sport. Children's sports days are where the real action is basically the tennis is just it's just tedious. We've just wonderful. Fifteen year old girl has has beaten Venus Williams but three potatoes the next twenty years and beating everyone into a cop and no one is going to be able to be had. It's the same old people that are going to be winning. The men's Wimbledon quite boring because Andy Murray isn't anymore because he's in his because he's just playing in the doubles and who cares about the doubles and there was the women's football who cares about the moon's football. There's a cricket World Cup of frankly it's not on terrestrial TV and no one's watching it no one the future of sports surely lies in the egg and spoon race with no name what what a women's full immense full match football is the most boring thing in the world ever one of the brilliant thing about three things about getting married was I never ever had you to watch another football match ever again. How was getting married a solution to that because I was married? I didn't have to pretend to like football. Is that what you did to get boyfriends pretend to like football well. I'm looking at my bikini. I like Chelsea well no but there was no you know it's just a thing. It's just a thing you kind of single. Whatever you sort of have to like pretend that you're watching football boys? Oh really kind of go where the boys are yeah exactly and then when when I was married I was like I don't have a single second have you. Are you aware of extremely on the front. Yes yes inverted. I watched these women crying football I think why are you crying. That goes down. Cry then purpose. It's really weird. She looks like Gaza. I think the crap other stuff is the one thing for men to grow. You know what women women cry most of them when they're stressed they did. They did a test on Ted they decide to. I'm not true to shut up. This is true. This is true they did they did they analyzed the tears from women and the tears from men and women's tears contain a huge amount of some stress hormone called Dressy content of men's contain mostly bit. That's boys and girls cry exactly the same amount up to the age of twelve we would argue looking at our children that Sam Christ probably more more than Casey up to the age of twelve boys and girls cry exactly about football and the one thing I try and Cronin weetabix anyway anyway anyway. I love the guys come to the World Cup just as Gareth Southgate Steph Houghton. That's the woman sorry I'm glad you take interesting thing but Steph Houghton is the captain and that he's off to come just as Gareth Southgate. You have to really manage anything just on that women's sport there's two other women sport things that have been coming and there's the thing we Wimbledon for the first time and not gonNA miss and Mrs Right so they used to go like game this thing exactly going back a bit tennis and fifteen years ago he beat Venus what I've written on my notes as you can see cocoa Gal fifteen. Could I beat her is because I see that's and I had one yesterday anyone quite well. She Fed me some balls on the hit some of them back over the net and I can only it's really nice. It is fifty dollars beaten seven times grand slam champion Venus Williams. I can't really get the notion that she really beat me. Yeah I mean I probably played tennis twelve times in my life and my arm Hart's gotTa Lot Yeah. I can't serve no hi but she's only fifteen. I used to ask my dad. My Dad was rubbish at tennis tennis lessons and it was the one hour of the week that he didn't smoke and he would go down to Brunswick Tennis Club and coach Bob Appleton. Yes and my dad would stop out his tiny. He charged around PERP in the face with this smash. Smash smacks never listened to the coach and tell him what to tell you the fucking do smash and then come off immediately immediately spark up a fag and see us play tennis today now city and I when I was ten saying. Do you think you can beat them over my dad. You could do anything students. Dad was the first man on the moon. He told me I believe to be recently and I might say he's lying but you can't anyway anyway. My my my my dad could eat my love. She's very I could probably hold a couple of times. Could you fuck it would be literally just little Lil fifteen after forty like nil nil nil nil nil but my my dad sort of did my dad believe he could have taken a set off taken a couple of service games of Martina Navratilova. was he saying that because he didn't want to admit to me that he couldn't maybe he could have done this Jason when you when your son goes who thinks just you're amazing goes to. Could you mean beat once your dad is in a little bit of moral quandary that you know because I think they buy me asking whether you could beat Martina Navratilova when we watching the cricket you're welcome and Jeffrey Archer New Bobbin Boone English Fast Bowler who bowls at ninety two miles an hour and he both insanity ninety two months Dad Zibo faster than years and I I sometimes think would you offer a really be any better than me in the garden with Sam Joel Archer is a young fast bowler from the Caribbean who's very good at running in about ninety not but does he have to put it in the right spot for a six year old boy. That's wonderful thing about cricket is that it's not just about you know it's about being small and foxy and Wiley quite hard to I think he's probably both quite a lot of balls so six year old boys but I listen it is important to retain the superman status for one's children frizz lowest possible. Oh okay okay this one. I love this one. That was documentary this week about John. McEnroe Still Ruikun at sixty on BBC one four stars out of five in review in the times and I thought inside the mind. Give a Brat in praise deny what would have stories documentary yeah Johnny Mack brats people throwing their weight around why you know your experience of being unlike a CPA Brat and you're an old brat. The thing that I think about John McEnroe is that I remember when he was in his prime and I didn't like him because I was I was I was brought up quite so suburban and small c conservative and in fact largely conservative and it's not boy and told to behave and be good at school and then John McEnroe was shouting screaming and badly behaved in my parents did very horrible multi boy and I thought the same thing. I thought he's hard of Bloomberg. It was great and I also I was. I was on the square site of everything so I in those days. I was blue. Peter Not Magpie. I was multicolored swap shop not Tis was I feared anything that was slightly disrupted and so John John McEnroe was is one of those things I didn't like him at all but you and then you have such massive dispensing personality. How can you becoming him? What but why I mean how what had become Oldham sad eddy map was never side come on no but when he stopped when later when he wasn't winning anything anymore and he was old enough when he was about thirty two thirty three? I became you checking your focus. I'm boring you miss this shopping trip to Vista and not a net then Daniels plan <music> shopping trip to based on how Daniels tire she's called the it's a little bit stressful so John McEnroe's anyway now you see. I think he's a bit. I know you think he's great but I think he's a Dick now because now he always does he plays his exhibition tennis matches and at some point he goes that ball was on the line. You cannot be serious and I think you're ninety-three. You cut like the Queen. You cont still be making a joke about this how you used to have a penis when you were a kid but that is what he does and he says he's kind of controversial things. Now it's all about I it was a call when I was twenty and I can now turn into account but it's like an article about people people but that's very me me me it is about whether or not people do love Brat. They actually don't because I was one. Am I stand well. I don't well people do people like personalities who will do and say and be kind of explosive and passionate and angry about stuff that they feel inside but they don't want to because it kind of the social fabric is it because in those days people did behave a bit better and it was more unusual there was hidden in the stars either a couple of badly behaved whereas now that all just spoilt awful self-serving footballers. They're all macaroni whereas they all challenged the idea of challenging position then was really radical. Now now everything's done by video referee to stamp out any kind of well. They have today by video refereeing because they challenge everything all the time because they're more famous robotics okay. I know that shit in the world domination by John McEnroe's world coming to my this. I don't fucking ideas vehicle then. I've got one or two ideas in Pace Orlando remind me what they know which minute first of all I'd like to Queensbury idea and I liked your women's Sport I did. I thought possibly do you feel that I have a hangover and I would also also it's fine part of the thing about you having my call him. It's very easy to do as well. It's very easy to be funny when you feel fine but when you hung over entire it's hard and we went out last night and I said we're gonNA drink too much because we gotta do this thing. In the morning. I'll have to read my column and it doesn't matter we had much fun. We got drunk and you said it doesn't matter it's fine relax chill. It'll be fine and you and your idea so sub but you with your usual feel mountain stream. I brought U._T.. I made it you coffee and a little bit of a cold in your throat and you and you whatever and and now your ideas are subpar. Luckily I have an idea that I had before. We started drinking today which I think is. Possibly quite feasible there was a thing with Jeremy Paxman. It was in the Daily Mail yesterday and it's very very groping pictures pacman and now we can only joke about old people means packs over sixty nine so packed in his brand new saga call him in office he wanted to be outspoken and people people pay attention to it has said the truth is the snowflakes have taken charge in government departments in the media and elsewhere just about the only sector of society but he saying you call the route about anyone the snowflakes taken over the young he ran in Saga magazine just about the only sector of society that is fair game is old people I now I make offensive jokes about the myself. The jets have traction because deep down all these field Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah just about the only sector of society that is fair game all people that the only people are allowed to take the piss out of people but that's not my column and he's quite they can't see that you've got red hair to putting a hangover aside and go into hunting for just a minute. Jerry is the only people you can take the piss out of now. Thanks Jerry. I've always confused me. Clogs Jerry very easily except donning brilliant brilliant really hadn't interrupted me. We'd be there look Jeremy is complaining that the now that he's very the only sector of society in this game is people you can't be mean about women and people in quite rightly and people have other ethnicities but you can't be old people that the only people you can be rude about. I say not so say there are lots of people you can be rooted that like Vegetarians. Is that still okay vegans. No probably not do it in the right way. We got in trouble. What about cyclists people get you glastonbury festival people all the people that you all year round anyway? I used to sometimes be mean about fat people but I realized that that is not cool anymore so yes but what about told people yup and Disley. It's on you just as if I said I really stupid long shoes compared. I caught by shoes property then you does your mother. You should have much milk beans. You've circled the story in the Times about bees in Khyber. Just yes sure yes about how he's like. John Hung over from bring the story of the pay and it's come through death that you said it. My interest is picked by the bees but this is the market has gone through the other side that this is the story on the other side the right amount already written about in a different time. Forget the base three forget sting these jazz no bees preferred jazz and world music. Somebody has to which is obviously not true but there was a story on Saturday about these which was about a robotics and they've made the very very close to having made robot bees to pollinate things we've got rid of all the bees and they've now made tiny robots because that couldn't go wrong just all they've made billions of tiny little be soldiers that they've programmed to do so you're going out to a nice sunny day and able to buzz be the bees pollinating the things for the moment there pollinating but they could be turned to any yes other animals you could turn make into rebels yes and weaponized tigers when he died but we made a million robot tigers and it's an spies brilliant. You would notice the elephant in the room. That'd be really good that you could let through windows and see what you know like like technology. Not Actual fish would be quite good. How'd you train line to be a spy? Yeah people go fuck nine yeah. They never not thinking for a minute. You've been listening to Giles. Coren has no idea with Giles Coroner Esta Walker.

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Giannis' Status

PTI

23:44 min | 4 months ago

Giannis' Status

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But we'll just bypass all of that Braggadocio and begin with basketball's raining MVP onto Kumho we still don't know Tony if he's GonNa play tonight in game five against Miami don't know yet onto the coupe was knocked out a game for as you know, the only game will walk his one reengineering already injured ankle. So Tony could tonight be it free. Time with the Milwaukee Bucks. So. It's really odd how things happen in this regard Toronto at that incredible shot, and then won two games in a row. Boston wasn't staggered a little bit but then came back and crushed him yesterday just fresh I, Tony anticipated. I don't think you either Milwaukee being able to two games in a row without their best player. So if they go out and have to be made, I would I would say. This, you know more the leading I do if and when he would leave and how they were raised at because it might be a trade. I would think that the coach food in might be a little bit more of a dicey situation the answer football. Yes my it's it's the Marty Schottenheimer Syndrome. He's a great regular season coach. He was great in Atlanta. But not good in the playoffs. Let me get the number. Thirty, two, hundred, thirty, one in the playoffs. That's that's not good. It's not good. Know Tony, they got a lot of problems there and it could be the last game because when you go out like this in the second round and eight look, maybe they win another game, maybe the narrative starts to change whether or not Janas plays I know people to get to what do you guys expect? I have no idea people there on the scene in the bubble have no idea. So Tony, let me just go over this. You know when they got rid of Malcolm Brogdon who as far as I was concerned was the most important player. Okay. Middleton's a better player. If you ranked him, he's your number two guy but Brogden was. The second most important player they let him walk they let them come there. He was a free agent they didn't match they. Let Him Walk to Indiana of division Robert I. told you. Then this is the beginning of the end of Janas time in Milwaukee because if you're not gonNA keep the band together when they're in ascension, what the Hell's he waiting for and Tony I would think it's like if you're Milwaukee a small market, what do you do? Do you just wait for him to away and have nothing in return? Know you try it? What do you do? It's just what you have to get it straight. I mean I'm less concerned honestly with what Milwaukee does than wear. Might. End Up. There were three teams that stood out to me. One is Miami. Could really use him and they're good enough with him to him for everything and ship in the East Mel. State I mean he could be for them. What durant was for them and the other team I thought was Boston in the sense that Boston has a great history with big men going all the way back to number say. This? They're doing something else I can't see that. Tony Look. You know the talk is going to be about. New. York. No. I wouldn't think so. No, I wouldn't think so but. It's just sad I'm ninety miles I. Sit ninety miles from Milwaukee right now I've grown up with with Milwaukee was seeing Milwaukee Rise with the likes of Henry Aaron I mean said. Stars, and Lew Alcindor and then to a lesser degree monitoring. Yeah. They've had some star players on. This'll be a devastating blow with a new arena and a reconfigured downtown re-energize metropolitan area because of this is a big deal man and tonight we'll even know we don't even know. The Rockets Lakers. Take the court for game three tonight later. But no matter what happens in this series Houston GM Daryl. Morey says, he wants Mike Dantonio back his head coach more until USA. Today the signing Dan. Tony to a new deal is his number one priority, the Pelicans, and especially the pacers also said to be really interested in Dan Tony. Tony. You surprised the rockets after not extending him last summer appear to want Dan Tony Back. Yes surprise wouldn't even care of it I mean what like sit there and I guess what? What are you talking about? First of all, I don't know how secure in northwestern Powell Darryl is there to begin with. It seems to me they have a new owner Sylvan for Tita correct me if I'm wrong he inherited both Antonio and more. They are not his picks. He that's right there. He looked at Dan, Tony I am totally confident that their Tony didn't get an extension because the owner said I don't want to give it to them not just the General Manager Ryan, general manager and I know you boys but but the owner didn't like what happened with the tweet about China. So I could see both of you mentioned their openings. Let me get this straight Philadelphia New Orleans in Indiana are still open doesn't it seem reasonable that one or even more them are waiting to see happens with Mike Dantonio this more then surprised me out you. Tony Look. Around when you stay there and you have some success and the owner while that not being his choice in terms of having hired him. You maybe you like him I mean well, first of all Mark Dantonio credibly likable guy just as a man can be, and then you know how hard he works. He's had some success the only place. Well, I mean New York and La is certainly didn't work out well but in some other place, it has worked out well Phoenix and to some degree Houston I am not a believer in small ball Mike, Dantonio coast big people in his life from already started Meyer being one of them. Tony I don't know how this will have a maybe the owner tumor for, and maybe he likes Tony a lot more than he did back last summer we're talking about a year ago. Some vacancies. There's some other candidates out there dental. Store. Suppose they beat the Lakers. So pose they beat the Lakers islands. With, all of the NBA might this story he wins the championship and he walks. With The Washington Capitals Watch yeah capitals owner. Publicly supported him they never extended him. He won the Stanley Company walked Yep to the islanders and this year beat the capitals on the where he is now, which is the NHL of conference bats the best store that's a that's a really nice big news bears story that you just bad news bears I guess it's Disneyesque Pun intended but Tony, do. You think that the Houston Rockets as scrappy as they are as improved defensively as they are. Thank you, Elsa, Turner do you. I mean. James Harden evolved into a defensive player Russell, Westbrook a new role, all of those great things that point to data Tony's fingerprints. Do you think they're going to beat the Lakers and the clippers you think that? And then the eastern conference I know now. That you. I don't see. The big news from the US Open is that top seeded Novak Djokovic, was defaulted over the weekend for inadvertently in air quotes hitting the lines person in the throat with a tennis ball he wacked anger Jovovich was judged to be reckless behavior John McEnroe no stranger to babe. You're bizarre behavior of different kinds said quote and now with the he likes it or not he is going to be the bad guy the rest of his career meaning Jovovich it'll be interesting to see how he handles close quote tone is Johnny Mak Right that joke which will be the bad guy the remainder of his career. That was the favourite lead that I wrote. I read that one very very well, congratulations on I'm glad you're free. No. Yeah. As you know because I was texting you wildly as this was happening I watched this voraciously I love I. Love Patrick McEnroe and Darren K who came out there and talked about it and Patrick McEnroe said that Jovovich had courted this for years issued. Behave like this for a long period of time I love when Chris Evert and John. McEnroe talk about it thought John McEnroe did everything he could to try and get Jovic back in the tournament one point he even was a great player. Shouldn't they keep him around because he's a great player and finally I can see it was a bonehead move and he walked away for. I I just but in terms of no, not not as entire career I think that's John McEnroe his whole career flashing before his eyes I. Think this'll be relatively soon and let's be fair about one thing it hit that woman in throat and she went right down if it hit her in the guy and she just looked at it trumped it off I'm not sure he'd have been to. All. How about you? This story confuses me on some levels I do believe in double standards. mean. I just do double standards of sports there as much. A part of sports as you walk in the arena having a seven innings stretch and baseball and having peanuts and popcorn and craigslist I believe in double standards. But Jovovich if we believe that he's just been guilty of bad judgment just not not just reckless behavior but bad judgment before I say throw them out and leave him out and by the way Tony he's chasing Federer I mean this becomes a thing him. He can't control his temper I. He's had weird stuff leading up to this. I didn't WanNA play he would say there. Was Talk about whether or not? He would take vaccine if there was one I mean joke if you're seriously just Jovic now think they he's of the order of Michael Jordan or Jim Brown or like Greatest Lebron James does he think he's that great? Maybe he thinks that he can just do any damn thing he wants and if he thinks that if that's what people are hall of famous Chris Evert are speaking to then throw his butt out I'm okay with that's why I was I was happy to hear Catholic. McEnroe's say that this had been a pattern of behavior for a long time. In amazing thing though this is a. That that is to go back to two, thousand and four. French Open for the last time that none of Joe Kebich the Dahlan federal were in a semi final at of. And well, since two thousand, five, my those. Fifty to sixty wars who of. Round. Two of them were was Kinda weakened about I couldn't I couldn't come up with Wayne Gretzky's name I choked on Gretzky he's not Djokovic Jank that he's not Gretzky. He's not Jordan he's not Jerry Rice is not. Even though his wind up, he may wind up with the greatest number of slams of any male player I get that but he is not the only guy he's not the goat not now. My Time? Is. He's Larry Holmes following Muhammed Ali Larry mccombs. The guys of the dog better and he really really good. But no, he's not go Larry. Holmes. Is Not Ali. We'll taking a break coming up. Byu. Navy. Does Navy's explanation makes sense and how should Jamal Murrayfield about getting his Duncan? Tim. Block. By kawais Middle Finger, not pinky not the ring finger not the index not the thump as Eminem once said the middle thing. Yeah, I, didn't like that. Very. Oh Wow. No because there were no references that were one, hundred, thirty, seven years old. It's your apartment speaking and I need some favors when you're seeing in the shower, just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really you're a soprano Oh. And if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with GEICO, it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night, could you read out loud but skipped the murder parts because I get scared. For Bundling made easy go to GEICO DOT COM today. Hey it's your homie. Sorry. It's your home I know you don't like it when I call myself your me. So I have some favors to ask you could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room? My floorboards are tired another easy thing save money if you bundled your home and Car Insurance Geico on more thing I know you love lavender scented candles but we try. Vanilla I. Think it would fit my five better. For bundling made easy go to. GEICO. Dot Com today. A. If you're just joining us. Tony's camera broke. So he's joining US via facetime he has no idea what face time is what he does have the emails what Mr Attica is i. Built. Are. You buying that navy's conserve practices were to blame for their. Loss to Byu. Well, in part I, mean, look, this is a really good coach a really good staff i. think they were eleven to last year you know. Tony they've been good and well coach for a long time they decided to take. It wasn't just a conservative approach. They decided to take a careful cautious approach because they didn't want their players being in harm's way in addition to the usual ways the football players in harm's way at practice all the things going on in the world. So as we look at a map asked coach. So yeah, I'm buying it in part. Yes. How about you? I read that they didn't have any live tackling drills like it was used tackling dummies you can't prepare for life people using. Dummies. CARE. Maybe got a really good coach they were not prepared for this to now be. Eight nine they'll get in the playoffs there the seem. Mark, they're the only team rockies playing foot off the only. Here we go. Yeah. How's your Jamal Murray feel about having his poster attempt denied by collided middle finger he could be like I don't know three or four hundred other guys over the past eight years how long Hawaii has been in the league he's a two time defensive player of the year some stiff blocking it. That, some guy who came in out of the why he's he's litter and he got the that's why it's called the claw. There's the call, and if one piece claw can reject you first of all I thought Marisha. Just shoot a floater I game is close there. They needed that bucket. That's why Kawai littered may be right now the best two way player in basketball tone. So I think it is great that uses middle finger deliberate separately and literally, and figuratively to block that shot. Murray. Is Answering. Your twice the size of Joe Boroughs but I'm not that excited. One. That's right. Took this his defensive player of the year on. This is the one I'm excited about did the tour championship the fair to you? I don't know if fear it's entertaining. It's fine and try to other formats and this format would you started ten under somebody else's eight under and you go down lists Dj earned here neck because he was great even though we lost here's Chicago at Olympia fields last week in an extra time. All right. So that's right. I've given them a plug. So Tony. Yes, it's fine. It's fine. He earned that you. The rules are stated in advance. He played other people have the same opportunity robbed was eight under he didn't win so good for DJ. You don't like Dj. So you'll find some way now leave in the factory is completely unsatisfied. You don't give the number one player in the world attend shot lead on many of the people feel two thirds of the field is eliminated has no chance to win in this whole thing. Shortly. Awfully beat him in this tournament. was. Strokes. Did Not Win Scott this younger one piece. By one stroke in this tournament and did not win Justin Thomas Talk Him and didn't get to go to play Schilling last week. He's great. It's a lousy format. And it's junk I, like it you should like to. All the other four masqueraders Lee warned. Wind wind why wasn't fair? We'll take a break still to come. We'll get to my thoughts on the bears decision to give Mitchell trubisky one more crack at the number one job. Of the Celtics finally rid of the raptors as something Tony with right I wouldn't suggest that. Here as a football pro, I've seen some wild fantasy football superstitions, but you don't need look you just need IBM Watson is the in the ESPN fantasy APP analyzing millions of sources to give insights on players and trades visit. IBM Dot com slash fantasy football. It's your apartment speaking and I need some favors when you're seeing in the shower, just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really you're a soprano Oh and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with GEICO, it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night, could you read out loud but? Skip, the murder parts because I get scared. For Bundling, made easy go to GEICO DOT COM. Today. A. Cameras out I'm going to do the reading myself up thirtieth birthday? Garrett Cole Cole was the prize engine from last year when he led the majors in strikeouts three, hundred, twenty six and let me league array a two fifty and went twenty and five for the. In two seasons in Houston was an poppy thirty, five and ten to six eighty Ra. But he'd been a Yankee. Fan All his life. So it was easy for him on the actors for nine years and three hundred, twenty, four, million dollars most ever for a pitcher Cole starting weird season like a steel and all this. was foreign over the two seven, sixty, Ra but the Yankees have lost. Kohl's last four starts most recent on Saturday when the. Goal is now four and three, three, six, three or a the Yankees of Third Air Division Cola's seventy strikeouts. Fifth Winnings who's also allowed thirteen home runs the most in all of baseball cold raised eyebrows at one minute after the national beat the Astros in game seven, the world series when he swapped his ask half, Scott Boras have and told the world and was no longer an astro and was opened for business. I'm of two minds about the Yankees I love it when I see them in October Yankee Stadium and it feels like Tober. Because they were there all my childhood but I'm also I love it. When along the way everybody acts like it's a tragedy every time they lose a game I revel in that. Not. So happy anniversary, he will enable on this state forty, six years ago. Knievel attempted joke a mile wide stretch the Snake River Canyon and idol knievel was strapped into what was essentially rocket and launched up a ramp very quickly after taking this parachute boy semi Moroccan towards the river nowhere near the other side can even with safely rescued. There was some controversy over whether the parachute malfunction or knievel just pull the delivered evil knievel. Was daredevil. He made his reputation jumping motorcycle over swarm of art cars, Caesar's Palace Parking, Lot Las Vegas if you were not alive, then I'll never be able to convince you what a compelling public figure an odd folk hero knievel was for about an hour and a half and tens of millions of people tuned into watch him put his life in jeopardy by make jump. These were the seventies and evil knievel provided arrest it to the. Watergate what did they even have dare-devils anymore? No, they probably do their those shows. Every night were people are jumping over pits of water, but there's no alligators them when I was a kid I loved all these evil knievel things I look back on it now and I'm embarrassed that I liked it and bought into it and believe we're in a different place in the world and I'm like, Oh my God, what was I thinking? Melancholy. Trails to Lube Rob First Ballot Hall of Famer was destined for his day stealing died over the age eighty, one in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, four rock was traded from the cops that the cardinals for Pitcher, Ernie Braulio in what many think was the most lopsided trade ever rock led the cardinals to a world series title that year batting, three, forty, eight, and stealing thirty three basis in Aga three games. Two years later brock was back winning the world series and the next year brought back again this time losing the World Series to Detroit those years were part of the twelve year stretch where brock averaged sixty five. Ninety nine runs scored and batted over three, hundred, six times when Robert P held the record for the most steals in one season hundred and eighteen, and the most steals in a career nine, hundred, thirty, eight, both of which were later broken by Rickey. Henderson rocks batting average is two ninety three and he had three thousand and twenty three hits but he was even better postseason in twenty one world series Games rock band three, ninety, one in sixteen. Fourteen steals. He starred in most of my nightmares, Tony traded from the cubs to the cardinals running out of show that's gets in the big finish, the debut and cloudy sign with Titans Adrian. Peterson joined the lions your thoughts. Has A lot about. The lightning beat the islanders eight to in game one breaking down. Eighty two is a bomb. On get by. The celtics routed the rapids in game five. You've got the Celtics Breezy. Now don't you? Really only in over necessarily but. Guess. Authentic is the horse he the one year Kentucky Derby you happy with that result I wanted to his. Last one bears named Mitchell trubisky the starting quarterback you excited about that. Are. You excited about it? Fairly Kinda. SORTA WE'LL. See, we're at. Time time. 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Roland Garros Day 12 - Mary Carillo!

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Roland Garros Day 12 - Mary Carillo!

"Hi. This is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo. Rowing I'm letting you it. I'm andy this is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the. PODCAST. So, welcome along to a ton of course that is one hundred percent guaranteed to be less good than yesterday's tennis podcast. We will endeavor to make it as good as possible but. I think David Law has anything up his sleeve Maradonna like today and I know for fact, he hasn't had any whiskey so we shall we shall try but we shall almost inevitably fail we've got married Carrillo and she's had whiskey so in a yes, that was the plan. How can we follow up yesterday hit the Carrillo Button Not. Yes Ma is still recovering recovering from yesterday's revelations. Well, we all aren't we I mean. I don't know you think you know someone and then they come out with Donna Story. I'm just left wondering. What other stories David's got, these hasn't told me in five years and you in thirteen years Catherine. Do. Yeah, those waters run deep. We. A trip to my sister's shop faster I'm GonNa give you some time to think of summer, anecdote? Gold David because we'RE GONNA have America right chatted to her well less than an hour ago now off to her it. Working from BC covering the French Open from a studio in Connecticut. Quite, a New York I think that must be because she's staying her apartment in New York. Yes So yeah, I tour about well we mandates, but we started off talking about today's to women's semifinal starting with. The first one and another absolutely barnstorming performance from Amiga Sean Tech's sixty six one over Nadia put her Oscar and this is what Mary thinks about Shintech I really like Shanta. I know you. I. Know You like her. There's a lot she cheese is she's Jaunty. Right. Yeah she's got this really cool like easy going swagger tour I mean for somebody who's still a teenager and somebody who's never done anything like what she's done in this past two weeks it's really cool like Jeunesse tour that I really like watching. Maybe it's all that guns and roses she's listening to. By the way. Because we had to fill so much because the matches were pretty short today John McEnroe ended up going into quite a riff about. About a guy, he just recently lost a good buddy of his so. And God bless NBC for going along with John. Reveries about his old buddy. Just, passed away. So, we were doing quite a bit of Eddie van. Halen, and then we were playing music going into commercial incoming out of commercial of Eddie Van Halen. It was quite a production. I am drinking. Having drinking. Risky as. We. Speak. I mean, it sounds like keep sort of been cussing about rock music today Mary Imagine isn't what you prepared for this. Say Thank you. Find yourself a whiskey. Yes. I really did need it. But here, Catherine Herridge the the great thing about working the John McEnroe at a tournament like this. So I'm doing it from the nutmeg state from from Connecticut. That's where our NBC studios are and John is reporting from his home in Malibu California. And so we can see him, we have a monitor and we can see German and we can see that he's not really operating off of an awful lot of notes and research. He's surprised me Mary. But the great part of it is in this tournament and I mean there have been so many surprises and people come in a qualifying lucky losers come good and all this. And while most of us who are reporting, this are acting like we know who these people are. John. There is no pretense with with John McEnroe? He's like who the hell is. This guy who? All. WHO's Dan? I've never heard of this guy and it's so great because it's so refreshing. Handling around trying to figure out which challengers satellites he's been bringing in and and John, and who's this woman who's Ponderosa you know well, it's not exactly her name but Close. Enough. And I had not ever seen her play either I think she's from Argentina. Is He. I'm I'm just having I'm having thought about what John John might have made of the semifinals today I'm imagining. Gamewise, he loves SHRIMP CHECK AND MAY BE? Personality. Wise. He loves cannon. Yes. That's exactly. That's exactly what he spoke about today. He had not really seen much beyond tech. But he sure likes what he sees. And Kenan I mean she's so dog she's so resilient. She's not playing as well as egos. Sean. Tech but she's competing as well as anybody which would cut we've come. We've gotten pretty used to in two thousand, twenty seven so he had a good but. I. Just. It's nice listening to this guy basically saying what everybody at home is saying you know who? Who We want you. I have never heard of this person. Why is she so good? You know everybody's busy pretending that they've been pronouncing tech correctly is. Not. The case. And I must say this without judgment John has pronounced her name quite a few different times but I think he has settled on on Sheehan Tech. So that's that's good to like a monkey in a in a typewriter. Egerton take I mean. She's she's barely winning. She's badly losing games at this tournament it is it is is dominant to run through withdraw. As. I can remember really in terms of scorelines she sh- spoken about by the fact that she travels with and has with her in Paris a sport psychologist. Which is making me think Mary, why is everybody that can afford it not doing that? Exactly and by the way, this will not surprise you. Katherine. John McEnroe has spoken about. Psychic Sports, psychologist. Because, I happen to bring up that fact that there's a number of players young players who are more than willing to speak about the fact that they have. They have taken advantage of sports psychology. and. The Guy I work with. Dan Hicks, it will. John did, you ever consider that in your playing days and before John even chance to answer I kind of jumped in there and said, there are a lot of people who tried to help that man. And allowed that yes that in fact true and. John a lot of it was anger management for for a lot of people who seek out the help of sports psychologists. It's more about their own you know. CONQUERING THEIR FEAR I don't think John was he he never had a fear problem. He he sometimes he went off the rails because he wasn't doing what he expected he should be doing. But I don't think it was driven by fear. You know he was a hothead but I agree with you that I'm glad that whatever stigma used to be attached to the idea of using a mental coach sports psychologist Hopefully, that is lifting hurry she. She's played the same level of the same brilliant level of tennis as as a total on her underdog to to Mason most viewers. As she has since becoming the favourite to win the title a couple of months ago of two she beat help I think that's what I find the most extraordinary that she seems unfazed by that total one eighty in status in the tournament can can that possibly continue Mary in a Ground Zero final? Yes I think. So and again I don't know how I honestly I don't know how those odd shift or or what kind of experts are causing odds to shift like that. I mean. I guess it's because she beat how They, they mostly just listening to what David Laura predicting. The. opposite. That's the new system. I. Got It in my head that somebody as bright and competitive as eager shrunk tick doesn't really listen to what other people are saying about her game or her odds that would be my guest and I think. Sophia. Kenan kind of operates in the in that same sort of. Place you know I mean again can not playing as well as as IGA and and but she's still there and. You know she she. I don't think I do worry watching her father honestly in the stands and I know he's been he's been stung a couple of times for coaching. He's had to pay some fines for coaching and I worry about his I think he could use perhaps a a couch every now, and then he might just go and sit next to each field techs. That sounds. That's kind of what I'm thinking like Dude, you know your kid is doing pretty well I. And the funny thing is we showed we showed a bunch of reactions of Alexander Cannon today there can not possibly and the kid looks up at her dad a lot. It cannot be a source of comfort to look up at your dad and he's got his head in his hands and he's shaking no and. I don't know I'm just thinking to myself if that were me. Looking up at good old dad like. You know. I. I guess it's To your point, I'm not answering your question properly. Yes. I think sports cycle any kind of. I mean. If you're working on every other muscle system in your body to be a world class athlete. Why on earth? Would you not spend some time above the neck? Yeah absolutely. Can You? Can you believe this is the same sophy can in. Two weeks ago just over two weeks ago. Three weeks ago now. Las Love and love to Victoria as a rancor in Rhino and and look at her, and by the way she's had the battle I mean. Two of her what six rounds went straight sets in the rest of the time she had to mix it up and go the distance. And again, that just shows how resilient this kid Simon she truly loves to compete and I love how how she figures out a way to win when she's not even playing that. Well, you know. She shook a little bit. You know a couple of times against covetable in the second set, but then straighten yourself out you know recover. So. Yeah. I an a love and love loss almost. But that feels like an anomaly doesn't that feels like wait a minute something something went screwy there. That doesn't sound right. You know she hadn't obviously she'd come from the hard courts and. Look this whole French Open has been. it's been. At one strange to watch interesting to launch encouraging uplifting weird. A lot of things have gone on but Kennan, and we've seen this with their. We speak about this all the time with Sophia Kenan she just plays. Doesn't she? She just goes from point to point and there's there's nothing that's going to stop her from playing her tennis. Is your sense. That as incredible competitor is is she is an it's it's one or a whole bunch of matches. This tournament that that competitive spirit is your sense that tennis wise she will have to find another gear. In the final. Right now I'd say that Eagle Tigers playing better than severe Kenan. Yes. Amin she's playing. She plays freely. You know she's big and bold and. And? More joyful out there. Certainly, than can Kennedy you feel the you feel the weight of the moment when you watch severe can play and she more than more often than not she meets the moment. Fine. She plays the she played so many big points well against Patrick Data in the semi today you know. Much better than Petra. She say hard on itself isn't she can't she's. She's she's still beating yourself up about four hundred. She missed six points ago. You think she is very critical and I'm not sure that I think. Again, we don't we haven't watched play enough long enough, but she seems to be able to let stuff. Go you know she doesn't get too excited about a a great moment or two down about a missed opportunity. And again, I'm going to credit her sports psychology. The fact that she's been going to this woman for almost two years as Iran, I mean that's a lot of a lot of quality time working on your your brain Patton isn't it? She must have received some incredibly good advice as a as a kid. She must have been very well advised and and have good people around right? I think many people are telling talented seventeen year olds to. To pay the. Pay The first paycheck towards a sports psychologist. Yes exactly and I wonder if. I wonder if more women are going to be more willing to say that they take advantage of an expert like that. You know maybe there are guys who think that that's a sign of weakness to do that although it shouldn't be obviously. But I have a feeling. This could really. If you especially now that. Can. Afford it. are here's somebody who comes from Poland. She wasn't and she spoke about the fact that she she hasn't gotten wildcard she's had to. Work away up the ranks. You know she. She doesn't. She's playing without a racket contract right now. And made it very clear that she's looking for records. which was brilliant and outstanding good on you for like you know throwing those lines in the water right in the local. Browsing. Yeah exactly. Yeah exactly. Right. She'll just be looking online that looks like a nice frame. Yeah, this kid is on it. This kid is very I. Think she's Very Special I. Think we're looked I loved Aga before there was ego. There was Aga redwoods go from Poland and I loved loved her game and it was full of craft and imagination and all kinds of shots in great problem solving but she hadn't the physique. The power you know she had, she didn't, she didn't have the serve that Sean Tech's Scott. She wasn't as aggressive on return games. Trump is looking to be aggressive pretty much everywhere on the court. So and it's very nice to know that AGA has already reached out to IGA. And congratulated her on her form in on her winning ways I I'm GONNA BE Super Aga. Got To one major final Wimbledon. Wasn't that good on clay because it it didn't allow her to use her gifts. She got overpowered a lot but IGA man. I like Egon everything I think I like her on every surface she's is. Wimbledon champ isn't she junior champ and and. We've found out at I love the Marion Bartoli interviewed can and after the match and said, well, you've never played again. Can quickly correct at her and said, no, I. Played Juniors here and I lost her like she remembers the third round loss from a couple years ago. Yes. She said, I, remember all of my matches which. Married Kana terrified me I. Mean maybe that's just because of how young she is. But yes to remember every single one of your matches back to juniors edin either it's But I think that's Kenan is hardwired for competition. You know I mean from the time she was little look. You can go back into the files and see that Sonya had her own social media account blazing by age five. You. Know She's been even before she had done anything big. She was big even when she was little she was big. So I think she's sort of used to taking ourselves seriously. She such an exciting prospect for the game isn't she was fantastic just have to Mary quickly on what on Earth is going to happen tomorrow in these to these two men semifinals that we've got I think it's an adult. Diego Not Maradona I. What in fact, named after David laws great friend Diego Maradonna. Is that so yeah, that's that's true. His parents watched the famous matching in Croatia. Seen seen the guy get bundled down. I didn't think the timelines quite matchup BC where I'm going there. Does end in honor of David Law. I. Am Drinking Whisky even as we speak 'cause it's been a long day of of Phil I absolutely love that I think I think whiskey David Law might be my favorite David Law so. Yeah does, Diego. Almost, go show my said Madonna. Out A big impact on yesterday married. Diego Schwartzman named after Maradona have a chance of repeating tomorrow what he did in Rome to Nidal live a best of three a couple of weeks ago. It'll be a lot more than it'll be a lot tougher than one extra set on it I'm in I, but but. You know he should be pretty fresh. He's gotten. He had a couple of days off after that. Really what side our eight? Eight minute match against team. He should a lot of guts. And I've seen him take a set off of Nidal before he did a couple years ago Roland Garros but. Yeah Hi. I, think anybody who says the hardest thing in the world is to get three To get three sets off a rough and at Roland Garros that's when he ninety eight and two on this stuff. I I think the more I liked CT passes chances against Jovovich more than Diego's chance against chances against Russia, and is that because of because of what's going on with Jovic, the state TV yesterday the rumors that he canceled his practice today or even in even in. Otherwise neutral circumstances would you would you give sits pastor decent chance interesting stop Mrs Playing Beautiful Tennis, and beautiful clay-court tennis. And I mean when you think about you know. That he was out in the first round here, and now it hasn't dropped a set since in his he clearly likes the clay. He spent probably more time on clay than any other surface growing up. And he's he just. Again, there's he to is Jaunty at this tournament. He really feels good about himself and he seems to remember last year you you saw him at a hotel every boss about Rinca and it took him a couple of months. T. Mary. Not. Na Na Na eve is now. Beyond consolation for a couple of months, right? After. Losing at the US Open after holding six match points against born of Church I. Mean he looks fabulous she she thinks he got all of his despair out of his system after that I mean, honestly, you think he kind of reached such low place after that he's Rising like an eagle will again we I go back to what Diego Schwartzman looked like it the US, open against your Cam Nori he didn't even the first two sets against that, Guy Losing in the first round and spent more time looking woeful in his suite at the US Open that day spend more that was longer than the match I mean he had a bad attitude in that. Much against Cam Nori. Honestly, it was it was a day. Watson. Never I'd never witnessed before it was very strange. Yes and look at look how he's re re rebounded from from that disappointment. So I think Diego and Both have done a tremendous job of getting over the despair of their US Open's. When when you talk about an adult just then and his record at Roland, Garros on on that could on that clay. How? How different is that court and night clay? This year compared to the is I've seen all sorts of. Technical stats about. How many inches lower his ball is bouncing this year compared to other years he was grouchy came of course, the other night he was he's been grant she by the Bulls throughout I mean, how how neutralized is the Great Rafael Nadal by by the particulars of this tournament? Yeah you know I don't. Win. Rafa makes his points about how the ball is playing differently in. It's too cold for tennis set. Isn't that what he said the other nine when he was still out on the courthouse midnight dangerous it's dangerous. But I don't even know that. I don't think he says it in a necessarily grumpy way I mean he's not being cranky about it. He's just stating the facts, which is what I think all of us have come to really like about his press conference. Yeah. Know when somebody says something Wrong, ill look at them and say false. His best that. That is one of my favorite like Rafa moments. I mean apart from all of his wins everywhere false. Yeah. So I think when he when he discusses it, he's just. Think he's trying to make excuses I think he's just laying it out. You know he's being pragmatic about it. These are not the the conditions under which I have one this twelve times. So does, will it affect him no I of course, it affects A. He looks at the mall is deterrence to to his greatness and I read a long Article Carlos Moya his coach was interviewed a couple days ago and he was explaining that because of the such -ness of the conditions, he doesn't have as many choices he doesn't have as many you know options. To play the way he plays because he can sort of see how his ball is behaving when when it's dry and hot, it's kicking up and it's creating. It's creating space for him. It's creating opportunities for him and more as saying that those are those are not available to him because of the conditions. But I still had you bet against? Are you going to bet against the guy who's one dozen times? You know. He he will point out the problems and but it's not like he's GonNa walk off the court having lost to somebody saying well, that was that's why it happened. I think he's too classy for that. Why is what I'm hearing? A prediction of an adult sits pass final Mary. That's. The beginning of the tournament I thought that joke of each had the edge because I called his matches in Rome and I thought it was looking pretty good even though he wasn't playing his best again I I always make that draw distinction between playing well and competing well and a lot of times. The best players compete better than they play and that's why they are so great. And for now, the joke of it just come up with this. His issues are clear like he makes them pretty well known. He's got. Tape up and down his neck. He's he was banging on his arm which I'm not sure did much good. I guess he was trying to loosen it up I. Don't know what what that was all about. The public arena vista had some things to say those she press conference fangs. Yes. He saved them for the press conference not for the exactly, right? Yeah. Where were your insiders with? Them. I. Don't know I as I said I. I hate backing down from from prediction. So I guess I'm just GonNa stick with Jovic, but I'm not following through. There's no real follow through on that prediction anymore you know I'm not really finishing it that that's welcome on this podcast where you would not believe how much David Law has dropped. Jennifer Brady like potato. Pretend he never he's never heard name. That's Well I've got a little bit more honor I believe have them. Just, finish up and let you get back to you. You tend to see Bourbon. Have you missed it have you have have there been moments when you wished you with. This or or have you been? At peace with with not being there we like missing out on the the weirdness of it'll I like I have to say that I like? I like having a physical presence at any tournament. I like watching practices I, like going to the press conferences and thrown it in a question every I like I like meeting up with coaches or what I do like that I hang around. There I mean I've got no life. It's what are you still doing here you off the air. I know. The only the only thing that I. I am a weather Weenie of some repute Catherine I don't like to go. So I don't and I've been talking to a bunch of my buddies who are over there Lindsay Davenport who's from southern California. Says she just keeps telling me how freezing it is and. And I would feel the same way. So I don't miss that part of it. But yeah, of course I. Miss It. I want to be back in I WANNA be back in Paris next spring and I truly hope that happens. Did she did she pulled another anchor Lindsay say I'm I'm from California this tweet this? You have no idea how cold feels me and then sort of swagger of core in Puffy Jacket She's Cold I. that. Yes. She's kind of the iconic image of the first few days of. The French Open So what do we think then my hearing? A. Fantastic Nidal. Champion situation. Maybe, maybe again, but that could, of course that could be completely wrong. That could be a total ofer to. And and you know what? At an ETA tournament like this in a pandemic like this I don't minding wrong I'm willing. I'm more than willing to be. Surprised A. Kind of A. Anything anything that happens at this point is good to me. If, paths can come big. And do something special if Djokovic can. Get within just one or two now of Nidal and Federer by winning this and getting to eighteen if the dog gets thirteen, which is ridiculous that'll never be challenged ever again by anybody you know is Sean Take Windsor. Windsor major major of Kenan was there? No Bad Outcomes as far as I'm concerned there's there's nothing not to root for you know there are definitely some as far as federal is concerned. As far as federal. Yeah. Well, you know, hey, by the way, Kathmandu. So, so say Sophia, Kenan wins her second major of twenty twenty. She can only go up to number three in the world. And you know who gets to keep her number one status and I love her Ashkenazi Ashforth. Rankings. have been adjusted. The SAKOVIC. Not Defending her title how how long can I know hang out at football games in Australia and remain will can this go on indefinitely because? To her life. All I'm saying is that if severe wins? The second major of twenty twenty. She gets my write in vote for number one player of the year. We will. We will be devising rain rankings. Mary you're. GonNa. mafs. Totally, beyond me Matt, Roberts will cook up some Kinda Cockamamie. Yeah. They'll be an algorithm. Mary is such a pleasure such a pleasure to speak to you. It's always a pleasure. Thank you. You've got three more days in the not quite company of John mcenery. Correct although John was making noises that he actually Mrs being with us and May may take a flight out and join us in the nutmeg state in the Great State of Connecticut's for the men's final. Wow I know and. That could only that can only add to my good humor. When do you think Joe Macaroni Las set foot in Connecticut. I. Don't know but. Hey if you see him, if you see him in the living, flesh, can you ask him whether he has regrets about not participating in that goodness football match I'm still recovering from that news I really am I. It's it's all been too much. and. That you have known David for thirteen years. Her. Stories he's told me marry grow much rubbish. So, much because it should have been at the top of the rubbish bin. I. Just feel like we've all been slighted long and then he send me the photo, the team photo yeah. Have you seen the video moving pitches? No. Two. Point, you send me videos of your new puppy getting a blow dry ice and billions of David Lauren forty short shorts. You're welcome. Were even. makes us even are you sure? Well David would have done the whole the whole interview about toast unique puppy but David Hose laid down strict rules about how much time is allowed to keep the dog. But how you how is toast toasted? I haven't met yet. I've been calling tennis matches from from the US Open to the Italian open to to hear only hours I I cannot wait to to degree toast and toast toast. A great little beast I'm going to go into taste now. And Cam and Cam a law cameras you. This is magnificent. One of the best features of of Roland Garros this year. Yeah. I would agree Mary. It's been a pleasure go and drink some more whisky and certainly come up with the MARADONNA rounding. Catherine outlets pt against the. Thank you so much. Mary So we only asked one question David. Strained I'm always properly impressed. In fact, we got so about twenty eight minutes interview and I was thinking she's she's forgotten. And then suddenly he she bled he has. Suddenly toast is there. We've got photos of toast. We've been authorized to post the video if taste receiving blow dry and no won't be disappointed by that. Eighty. Nice. sentient being anyway Yeah. Toast is lovely. Mary Things Cam is lovely I mean obviously how how anybody notes but Yeah Mary Taste Cam loving I'm here for. Her cost really isn't it? Married dog CAM loving. All about. Anything in particular anybody would like to pick up on what Mary had to say there are minutes no surprises it the the oviously Mary's but. John McEnroe is a big fan if the eagles field, tech game. I. Mean it would we so Andy Murray? He's been doing all week has he's been fully aboard the Eagles Film Tech Train. She's that kind of player isn't she that the? The purists, the the students of the game they just adore play like that. Actually. Their eyes light up really and as you say, Andy Murray's commenting on every every post anybody makes about ECOSPHERE INTECH Andy Murray's commenting on. because. He's just clearly watching every match she has and loving every stroke she hits and the thoughtfulness of the way she works things out in the instinctiveness as well macular. Yeah. He's. He's a fan. He's a fan of the sport back stage. I've seen him in champions store events and there are certain people he wants to watch. I mean Mary Mary said, it's you. You know she's around the even when she doesn't need to be there. She's there because she loves the sport she loves being around here in the store is watching people I guess talent spotting as well. You know because that's something that's great to do it at. Grand Slams. But I think. There will be plenty of people out here. I think probably listening to this and. Many people in in the media. Well, that will have been very aware of fantastic. What way more than I feel like. I. Was I. Feel like this is taken me by surprise and actually I mean the first person that drew her attention drew my attention to was was matt and I think it was which tournament was way you you? You mentioned to US shape in last year, right? Young. Post. Because obviously is not trying to restore his credibility. First Time I ever saw her name. This is gonNA sound really bad like I'm beating myself up here. I'm not because I didn't draw any conclusions from this. Whatsoever was when I was working at Wimbledon in the press office in two, thousand, eighteen and part of my job there was to fill in all the drools. They don't do them `electronic in the media center. Do them by by hand and I was literally writing in schools on the drool sheets and that was when she won two near Wimbledon and I remember that she beat the number one seed in the first round and then I don't think dropped a set for the rest of the tournament and I just remember the name Eagles Fan Tech and this person who it? She was unseeded number one seed in the first round and just. Beaten everybody in the drawer hand and I just kind of made a mental note all. That's the name to look out for but you do that with so many juniors that you see when things and you just never know what's GonNa come from it, and then it was it was last year as you said, the French Open when she'd had a few good results on on the tour and people were starting to talk about that. I probably watched her and realized what she did have in her game in terms of the options are her dispose. That was the first thing that struck me but. I. Mean I've certainly been surprised by the way she's put this run together just twenty three games to get to the final. That's the fewest number of games lost to reach a maiden Grand Slam final since Mary, pis in Nineteen, ninety four who only lost ten. Mary pays only lost ten games when she got her first grand. must've been a retirement what they weren't. Sets in twelve sets. It was six love six. Love her first round. She won another six love six love and I, think there was a six six one in there and then she lost the final. A ranked the sanctions car. She lost two in the final but to get to the final, she lost just ten games. I was Kinda convince that maybe she on Tech's would have been a record, which is why looks look this up but? Mary Pierce has not just pipped but probably done something that will never be repeated at I one of those records. But just just thinking about how she on text during this this fortnight, which is certainly something I never would have expected from her at this moment in her career. I was reading some of her transcripts and she was talking about how the last couple of years she's been at high school and all the time she's been on the tour. She's also been studying and that's taken up a lot of her time and she's you know sometimes come to practices late because she's been up the night before revising or working and suddenly over the. Lockdown, periods she's finished those studies and she said she kinda feels free now and she put a target of two years to really focus on her tennis and she thought if in that time I'm in the top ten and winning Grand Slams I will carry on with tennis. But if not, if I'm struggling and I'm down at around one hundred or so I wanna go to university and I think she's got this perspective on the game and also this ambition because that you know that Kinda show me she doesn't want to just play tennis. Just to play tennis, she wants to play to win things and be successful, and that kind of attitude really comes through with those ruthless scores. She's she's on the court this week and I don't know I just a lot more time and space to focus on their tennis seems to be massively massively paying off and yet all the work she's done in the past two years to be this well rounded mature. Nineteen year old is also paying off on the cords kind of this perfect combination she's got at the moment I. Think. Yeah. That's so fascinating and it and it makes sense it. Focused to lot with Marian on the fact that she is traveling with a psychologist because I really. I. Find that. So incredible really there are places that have publicly employed sports psychologists. I've never known anyone to travel with one on a semi-permanent basis let alone kind of covert times when you're a bit restricted on, he can travel with clear statement and investment in that side of this board especially for okay she's she's nineteen she's had she hasn't good results. She's been on people's radars is one to watch. She will have some endorsement deals but as you head Mary say she doesn't have a record deal. She's not coca Gulf in terms of endorsement money for made that investment is such a statement on it. It really make sense with what you said that it's her saying I'm GonNa give this absolutely everything no stone unturned. for Fa perhaps limited period I mean given the success it it probably and hopefully won't be but that all. That all chimes doesn't it and it's such a fascinating approach to the sport in the way she. Liberal I think the way she rebuilt her confidence in. Her approach after demolition at the hands of Hal beer ago, and here she is one year on she's ten in the tables says everything I also think that the two year goal and the university aspect? Liberate? Sir. It frees up of sense of this is the only thing in life and we've heard Daniel Collins talk about that getting a degree more did for her. kind of confidence in life and and manifesting itself in a tennis as well. And and today again, there were produced precious pressure moments against Nadia pod Rosca in just very briefly in the second set when she's racer the first at six two. And she's four other in the second set. Then she lost her serve and and I thought this is a test right here. Let's see what happens to us. She's she's on the brink of a grandson fine at the age of nineteen anything could happen right now and she just knuckled down broker again and it was. I mean. She was everything she's being all tournament long. The only thing I would say is when you read that Mary Pierce Run and the play that bitter in the final. I think of Severe Kenan. A rancher Sanchez Vicario Really Twenty years ago is. Severe. Kenan today the similarities are very very there is that attitude wise or or game was both because I've never seen angst, the sanctions ficarra Playa and. Ranch's sensors car was was. Physically short relatively speaking to to apply like Mary Piss. She would've been towered above by peers and everybody would think pierce is the big hitter and she wants she was a huge hitter but an and Sanchez Vicario it was a scarier but with a great backhand and incredible attitude and no point went begging at all. She she put them that if you if you look back on her record, the number of really close Grand Slam final, she had Steffi Graf she lost most of them. She wants some of them and and she was a wonderful competitive. She wasn't as good as Graefin selfish but she still managed to win things and and I? Really say the parallels with her in. Canon now that now that we've brought up that I think is going to be very interesting on Saturday whether whether Sheffield Tech can do to Ken what she's been doing. So everyone else I mean I know Kenan took six love six left defeat trump rinker. That doesn't feel like this can in one we've seen over the past few days is going to be thrashed I? Don't think you can hit in off the call and Kinda. Demolish the way she's done with the other opponents can turn that match into scrap into a battle and Whether film tech is able to overcome that I think is going to be such a fascinating part of the match because. Kennon. was talking about how Patrick Uva came in to the match against her today with a lot of confidence. You know she noted the Yes. Okay. Maybe maybe Patrick Vieira hasn't lost a set yet and she's playing well, but she hasn't played me. It was kind of the thing can in was basically saying in a press conference and It doesn't matter how she's playing I think if I'm playing my best I can cause problems and we saw that today and I'm sure Ken who have that same attitude and belief that she can do the same mess message around in in Saturday's final. Just them in the macro cents about civic canons, belief, An and going to that love and love defeat as an anchor which I know vignon about. But it is extraordinary for a reigning on some Trumpian, any Glenn Sunshine Ready to to suffer. A A gameless defeat, and the fact that she's now reached a grand slam final in her next tournament is makes it even more extraordinary? In terms of the rest of her career. I just feel like that's going to be. Mentally massive for her no matter what she goes three or experiences no matter how low she goes on a tennis. Cool. She will know that the next day she can wake up and stop playing herself into into potentially Grand Slam winning form I mean there is nothing lower than eleven of defeat in tennis and and he she is I, mean I just think whatever happens on Saturday mentally. That's going to be not necessarily needs any help mentally because she is. I find her her mentality. Just incredible because she has she does have frailty. She's incredibly hold on us. Oh she she doesn't have all the hallmarks if the traditionally mentally tough player the sort of Rafael Nadal less just being totally present in the moment in shrugging things off really quickly and she's not like that at all she's she's mentally strong interesting way but yeah, I think this is just going to haul her even even more I think it's massive in the context of our career. Well, she's already developed one of my favorite mannerisms of any tennis player, which is to hit a screaming winner and then absolutely go crazy at a south because five minutes ago she missed one and she called and she's Still thinking about that one and she's going back to it and thinking well, why did not do it then then you know just done it now but that's not important what about that one but it doesn't stop her moving on and actually building all the time building. The one thing I I will be interested to see is because she's managed to rebuild having had a bit of a rocky period that we had six months without any tennis but the worst rocky results, not just the love and love. But that one's the one of the city that really jars and it makes you think, well, what can be possibly so wrong, you lose love and love when you're that. Good. I wonder whether this will sort out the fact that she's got to another final now in the same year. because. I'm only speculating but I feel that. She kind of caused problems in the months since the Australian Open with in terms of heroin expectations of yourself and what being an Australian Open champion is all about and Understandably, but I don't think she really could handle it that well. and I wonder whether now having to another one. You may not see that you may just see the regular severe Kenan scrapper bring it on. Let's stomp around. Well, she's already developing an identity I think on the cool, which is quite important like Mary was saying `I truster in in big moment she meets the moment to you might have some stress throughout a match, but as soon as that match today against Patrick. Got Tight and it did get tight especially in that second set win when she tried to serve it out and she got broken. She just immediately got back to work was all business or purpose, and it was characteristic of what she did in that Australian Open final against Mcgrath those that game winners to save three break points. Whenever there's a big moment. I just think back to that and think canning Kenan can do this and time, and again she does do it. And I think that's so important for a player to have that identity on the core and to know that they can play the biggest and best tennis when it matters the most and. Yeah I mean. It's kind of making me a bit nostalgic talking about Canon kind of nostalgic for. Well, that was only nine months ago but the Australian Open just sexually different time and different world, and yet the fact that she's really really relevant again and is you know possibly Marries words. If she wins this, you know the kind of the player of the year. The fact that she's done this in a year of such to halls is is kind of extraordinary I I I I expected cannon to be sustainable I think was the word I used often straighten open, but I didn't I didn't expect this so both so quickly but also kind of seems like so long ago as well. I duNno, it's it's it's really so so impressive and it must be. Confusing for her well, the the world has changed so much and yet here she is and she's doing a thing again it's It's so admirable. I'm glad you said that about the nostalgia that was probably my single tennis moment of the year that with you in that press books when when survey can when these five point center, I from love forty down against Migori there and just sort of Oslo one another like did we did we just see DB really just see that. Because Nobody hype nobody ever hyped Kit Kenan for that sort of thing before that was her absolutely outplaying. Power, play WHO's a two-time slam champion and we saw it again today against. UVA. Commits about how to slow start. She was nervous on she went to break. Stan but she got her game together and it would have been. I reckon there's a lot of people who would have thought she's taken over now and can still really I mean once she she had a little help to get over the line in the first set second-set she outplayed. Again when when Kavita was playing pretty well, I mean it was mightily impressive. And I guess what I mean is that that stretch against Mogi Ruth that doesn't feel like a fluke at all I don't think it felt like a fluke at the time that it definitely doesn't. Now it feels like a trademark almost it was like witnessing the birth of it there and then we're going to. Maybe see it for years to come Kenan rising to moments and I just find that. So special, do you shed? We reveal share Mary's anxiety about Alexander Kenan. Yes. I think I do because he's he looks so intense he does He looks tents. But. I don't I. Don't know what relationship stays mother-in-law. Sorry father and daughters have and and they're all so different and and I often think of Wozniacki in these situations that had her entire career by her side and and it. It seemed to work for you know she seemed happy I didn't I don't know but she seemed happy enough. Maybe this is similar. But yes, I, mean, it gives me. Makes a little anxious. Because it it all looks so intense but sometimes Kenan herself between points I think will how can you keep pushing like this and that's going to be one of the things we find out over the years isn't it whether she's able to just keep this up in that way because I don't think she can exactly dial it down I mean I wonder what happens if she gets the psychologist own what psychologists would make her Very interesting. Wouldn't it? Complex. At, imagine what I love about the sport. Watching these different types of camping they couldn't be more different. Could they feel tech in Kenan on from what we see that side it is. Watching Kenan in a grand slam final having already what can an integral some final and to talk about it afterwards. Is going to be quite new experience because we now know with the benefit of having spoken about the Australian Open that she was crying in the locker room beforehand, and she's this terrible by governor she's. She's almost. Immobilized I'm a nervous before a match, and then she gets out there and looks like. You know stumped Severe Kenan. Say MS EPA Sharapova Link isn't it in that sort of demeanor, the same Nevada what's going on? So I'm going to before the final assessment, I'm going to be picturing her sort of so being in the locker room this nervous wreck and I doubt he'll be able to marry that with what ends up walking out into the cool. Yeah. When she's walking around the corner I found myself today in my head going stump stump stump stump. When, she works just in time with it. I'm GONNA quit nearly the NFL in my head. Now elephant trunk is that is that were you singing I think it might be Fortunate. I didn't say on air on five live. Senate Focus off. She went with the trump trump trump trump trump old. That's not good. Song thousand age well. Was, Donald Trump is now ruining nearly the innocent. Or for some he's making it. No. This is a new. Right then. So what's going to happen on Saturday? You can have till tomorrow to the. have to. What's going to happen on Friday? Then do you share Mary's views of these two semi finals we had? The removal whirling today. Around Novak Djokovic apparently, he didn't show up for practice but then he he did show what people just late might I think the circus continued basically yeah. Well, Marco was certainly reporting this morning. That's the Spanish sports newspaper the he hadn't shown up for his practice, but then the Serbian journalists Sasha Osmo is it said that He did practice in that. JEHMU positively in the in the Novak Djokovic Cam about the neck issue. So. Yeah. As you said, the kind of rumor mill swirling I do agree with Mary, of course. I think the dolls quite a strong favourite against Schwartzman Schwartzman is displaying wonderful wonderful tennis and I think he could take a set for sure but it is such a big ask for him especially if someone who Can't get that many free points or any free points on his serve to sustain the level he needs to beat Nidal and we also saw the way nerves affected him in that semifinal. I just think. Occasion and opponent will we'll be too much the Schwartzman tomorrow. I think he'll play very well and the Dole will. In my mind, probably win four sets The other semifinal I think is very intriguing not least because of these problems that chocolate has been having an which is an unknown quantity it feels to me like of us can hurt him. With his game he can. He can bring it to bear and caused Djokovic problems and he's beaten Jackovitch in the past, which is so important I think he hasn't built up too much baggage against him. He will believe that he can beat Djokovic. That's not half the battle, but it's it's such a big part of it. It's it's a big part of why I trust him more in that match than so many other players. I'm not necessarily predicting that because I think it's also possible that Jaka victory will be fine and look crisp and Shaw and be too much for him. Rush Him. But I, think if Djokovic just slightly off I think the semi-final that could bring the upset. How would you feel about it? If you if the public arena buster much hadn't happened if we hadn't seen that sort of strange performance in the injury and all of that, if the joke of it talking about coming into the semi-final was the one that we'd seen in the previous full matches still give sits a passer decent Jones. I would yes. Because of what I was saying about him having that belief and I think that's always there with him. I think that's ingrained But the fact that there are more question marks over jackovitch kind of just tips the scale a little bit more in favor of sit surpass. Oh, I'm not saying he's the favourite in that. Max just makes it just gives me a little bit more confidence in him, but I still think Jackovich's the favourite these conditions suit him and that that little neck shoulder problem aside he's been he's been playing absolutely brilliantly. So it's a very, very tough task for. David. Well I I would go back into the first eight games of sits the pass Rube love as evidenced that if jackovitch played well, he can just. Stop Him from expressing himself and just pit him on the Baseline Hall Bowling Bowls back and eventually getting ashore to putting it away because that's what rube lifted to frighten games. Now I know that's you know changed and ended up since the best winning in straight sets. Jackovich's a lot better than Rube live and similar kind of. Approach but way better plus he's got dropshots and he's got a better serve and all those sorts of things. But I do feel. Isolated is playing really really well, and he's good enough to take advantage if anything happens and the has to the potential that something happens here. In a negative sense for Djokovic. It has a similar fail to that. US. Open when he pulled out against for ringcraft tune bit sets when he were all the room flying around and he was clearly in some discomfort the day before and that was the nick carrier in the shoulder area. And all that sort of thing I don't know whether trapped nerve or whatever that kind of thing is. That may have all worn off that certainly, what's the messaging coming out via? Sasha Osmo is telling us and if that is true and chocolate plays like he has in the other rounds I think you'll win. I don't know what duration but I think he would win but. There's a real question mark just because we don't know we don't why did that happen yesterday? That's that's really really weird. They hadn't mean a sign of anything wrong with him, and then he was in a lot of painters today for for for now. Was it stress was his body tensing up and the in goes into a spasm. We just don't know because he didn't tell us anything. He didn't an active his right not to say a word, but it does make you. Think. Well. Okay. Things are different than they were two three days ago. Fantastic tomorrow, we'll be playing the. Women's. Doubles semi final that's right. Isn't it? Yes Yeah aiming to become the first player suffer over reached. Both finals she won the doubles with Beth pneumatic sands that year and we took him is if that twenty, twelve, twenty, fifteen months fifteen arena in the phone. So won the doubles lost the singles say aiming to the first place since her to that it's actually not that long ago is it? That's not that exciting a start disappointing she and Nicole Medical face dear, I'm facing my knowing first names situation. Again can anyone hope we re gruchy? No. A gruchy. and De. Craft Chick. Well, good luck to them tomorrow in Women's doubles semifinal. The other one is bubble recover and CASUARINA Senio cover taking on to my bubble and Keith Denisovich. So, yeah. That's that's a lot today. Not Idea Gamer Don reineck dating site. What have you make it good. Make It. Maradona related if possible. A, just going to say I was reminded when you said Oh that's not that long ago a funny twitter interaction I, had today someone asked me when was the last time? A Grand Slam final feet to to play with. In their surname because that's where we're going to have Sean Tech and Kenan and I said Oh that one about a month ago a soccer as. We that took your head. I worked back. I. Thought. Okay. Grand Slam final. But I thought it I thought it played into the conversations we've had before with Simon about K. being the signing. Chat. Yeah, it's very much the letter punching above its weight in tennis I, I have Karachi and. Chick News Iowan traff craft chick. EXA ALEXA CRUNCHY And disarray ooh crumpled gloppy checks tonight days, names. And it must be tough being Alexa. Age. Could tell you grow. Up to I'm reading from the WPA. Website article here she's a former student athlete at the University of Alabama is Grand Cherokee and creek is a college Platt from Arizona State. They. Said, they were college class, and now that the the fourteenth seeds in their plan against stem tech. And a partner. The Nicole Miniature. Yes. That's happening tomorrow. This also boys goal singles and doubles The men's and women's wheelchair competitions and the courts will check petitions as well. Georgia. Widely Meiji play Maury, Offi Hewitt, and Gordon reads. An action as well. That's the women's and men's wheelchair doubles just looking for the Brits Policies People from. Other countries we go Andy Lapthorne and Dylan Oh caught playing in the Quad wheelchair men's doubles final s to Brits playing finals. Tamara Alfie Hewitt Gordon read going in the men's wheelchair doubles final and Jordan waddy. You can see that is a will charitable semi final for them. So we'll keep you posted on all of that tomorrow. David's we want a whiskey to whiskies lower back tomorrow if possible, please run out. To every two days at feuer's today sovereign. Right well. We ski vendors are available. We'll we'LL SORTA out. We're gotten America really tomorrow. Say WE'RE GONNA have to spice this thing up somehow. Cam We. Love you marry I love. What more could you want? and we'll be back for another tennis podcast from the French Open tomorrow.

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US Open Day 13 - Andreescu Arrives; Serena - Will It Happen? Nadal vs. Medvedev Preview

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US Open Day 13 - Andreescu Arrives; Serena - Will It Happen? Nadal vs. Medvedev Preview

"Editon is podcast listeners is at one month since katherine matt and myself tassone us beams delivered mass now has a t._v. Thankfully against we can actually the us is quite useful having a t._v. to go with the sinus but yes yeah what about the oh it is sleek. It is sexy. It is enhancing my experience. It's all the good things son or stockholm hi. I'm john mcenroe onboard. This is martina navratilova. I'm mats wilander. This is mary carillo. I'm stunned rowing. Enlighten you <music>. I'm andy murray carol ray and you're listening to the tennis podcast so thank you carol raye for introducing the women's singles final tennis podcast from the u._s. Open in two thousand nineteen one of our kickstarter backers for the year. We'll be launching our kickstarter. Crowdfunding campaign to help us fund the twenty twenty he season in december on december the first so thanks for everybody who's back just for this year. It's the reason we're still going to nearly one hundred shows over the course of the year and we'll we'll go well well beyond that we've sent matt robots to australian open. We've been out of give him a job and next year catherine. We want him here. He d we boy. Do you join us in the food court here at flushing meadows amendment just trying to take in what we've just witnessed from. Dan current res q quite honestly because her performance was just quite extraordinary. It's led to <hes> catherine and myself drinking pink drinks. I'm no longer to be as law. I'm worn. What's a cold frozen one froze law. Let's take the food t six years. He is yeah. It's davis birthday fake sticky forty six years to discover froze ahah catherine's propia frozen and i'm slightly swain and maceda site about two thirds of the way through it. It's a magical combination of if rosie wine vodka and whatever chemical makes it frozen at room temperature. It's it's very nice. <hes> and i feel like i need it to just try to settle myself down. After witnessing a quite stunning final i mean it was two who sets in the end. It was really exciting to about three all the players going toe to toe and then andress could just took off didn't shave. She won about eight out of the next nine games. Seven hundred leks eight something like that <hes> to go six three five one against serena williams an and she had champions point championship points in that game. It looked over. She didn't tell you the championship points and then williams began to play in that game her best tennis match she started to play like serena yes on championship point at five three and hit a forehand winner and that was her first win of the set and then she proceeded to in sixteen of the next twenty points to get back to five all crooked. That's <hes> about you but at that point. I was thinking thank god gang. Rescue is human. Yes you're right because i was wondering if she actually would fill any nerves absa tension. I really i really was questioning whether she would do her. How much of that comeback do you put down to attention because i'm sure it's effective effective but serena did start to really connect didn't share that because the nerves intention for her related his she had nothing to lease it that say i i put a reversal in of momentum down entirely see crusher intention on both sides of the <hes> it it increasing address key to appointment she'd have seen never experienced before and it and it lifting from serena china bureau a little bit and yet we don't know about you. I never really thought undress. Q. wasn't to win it because she it was tennis. I think in my gut i felt that <hes> but i come and take it on the second sets and yeah i mean i was told you this before. I find it quite hard to judge set of tennis commentating on the radio. I mean we were in the background. We're looking down with. I've got no other point of reference than my two people that i'm sitting alongside. Which would you have to wrangle a noni brody and gave great analysis but i a bit lightheaded because it's such it's you put in so much emotion into it yourself in order to try to help capture what you're seeing especially in a set light that which goes for five one to five title and it's a grand slam. It's it's either the twenty fourth for one woman or the i mean there's no way that it can not be a acquire emotional experience for everybody evolves but i felt in my guts the unrest could win and yet seeing serena comeback after seeing the crowd <music> out go with her he just the logical part of my brain started thinking well. How can any human wittstein this and i was worried about for for andress because i'm also i'm always saw slightly worried about the the consequences of not winning from there. What if she did not want. I'm from six three five one championship point. I honestly think ninety five percent of players in that position having been pet back to to five from five one championship point would have love starts at seven five seven six and lost thirds at six one. I think i think if it weren't banker address skewed that would have been the most likely scenario honestly though at the wheel serena williams the desire at the the competitive instincts would have overwhelmed anybody anybody else but bank andrew is special she is my to something else isn't shading. I can't think of many players that i've ever seen quite what carry herself quite like. She does and seemed to have the the mental approach the she seems to have. It's i haven't seen anything in this. Era of a new player like if is it this visualization business could bring issue placing an app yeah. What am i gonna visualize math achieves board. I'm thus it will be so. I'm going to solve visualizing convicted of assaulting whole simon easily because yeah why will doing it because she's so on the money with it. I mean the thing what gets me is how candid she is about a visualization. It's not like it's not like she says yes. I do visualization but i'm not going in two thousand dollars. She gives you specifics the specifics being when she won the orange bowl as a sixteen year old. What a full three years ago. She said she visualized herself with the you the check with with the u._s. Open winner's cheque brackets three point eight five million dollars for our own mind visualizing that i'm visualizing it. It's it's amazing rent enjoying it. Oh it's over. Give it three years david yeah happy birthday and well to be on a given the price of these drinks seventeen dollars. A guy could do it at nights. Pick check <hes> no. It's it's just the way she carries carrozza south and and when when it got to five all i mean the the school board compla- tricks as well connor on plasma minds because took into jeff nine me and ask studio media the moment it wins five old they said right. This is now different for serena williams. She's no longer swinging from behind signed nothing to lose now. She suddenly got some into lose now. The crowd are in that believing they're not just sort of last stand hoping they are believing now this is turning and so i did make a difference but the bigger point was what andrew skewed it. She just stood up percents cohen. That's it and she went out. She just won the match. She won the match. I mean the guy that would double faults from serena. I understand and i think there were two aces and two double-faults to get to thirty all <hes> but it was the way that when she had the third the match points went the one she finished it on when she just samak's that forehand winner away on the clean return those just single single-minded focus. You're not having a rally here. You're not taking charge this rally here. I'm going to win it and she wanted my goodness goodness that was one of the great finishing points have ever matched that i've ever seen on a on a grand slam title stage yeah. I think i'd agree with that. <hes> i i did about it. I found the us has speech insurrection of a little bit disappointing that he has her reaction. She had that moment when she was flat out on her back but i didn't know that that was a touch of the andy murray twenty sort of total disbelief about it stephanie stephanie anonymous yeah i mean i don't think i i do also feel that when people achieve great things sometimes it can be almost a little bit ryan of done it has it has its best to fail. I don't really feel anyhow. I visualized it yeah but but i i i would imagine. I genuinely think she was in shock. Listening to the interview that prime did with a stroke afterwards the way she reacted to to the scenario of being presented the u._s. open champion whether she could've ever believed this was possible etc. You know you could see in rise that while she feels this is perfectly doable imperfectly within her ability ability the idea that she's actually gone and done it is still takes a heck of a lot again used to particularly given news down the other end and and i wonder if that surprised her feeling you know once she's had time to price that reaction will surprise have because she did she say she she was asked whether she was surprised to be in the fine on. She said look if you'd asked me a year ago whether it be surprised spending u._s._a. Said how yeah feels me two weeks ago night wouldn't have been surprised so maybe you know she went in believing she could win it therefore logically. If i went in. I won't be surprised in shock choke. I'll be able to maybe her lack of shock tonight. Shock shop sir. You know what what i really enjoyed about. The match was the tactical approach because i like andrew. Rescue has some option. She could've tried a few different things in that match and early on she hit that drop shots and serena came in ready. It's got glare drilled the bull straight at the bellybutton vandross gay who managed to scoop it back up into the air out which serena then hid dr double-handed volley straight back again so she basically tried to drill her twice which is seriously intimidating i think for most players perfectly legitimate but the crowd loved that they loved that suits sits of one on one toe to toe kind of agro of it all and williams finished you know the whole the whole thing and and i it would have been very easy for rescue to be intimidated by that. I loved the way that she was hitting her own winners and coming back with around come on in completely silent stadium when she was hitting a women's she wasn't in the slightest inhibited by anything those going on out there but i noticed the way apart from rights at the end of the match. She basically stopped hitting dropshots altogether. That was the one she hit until late in the match. Yeah oh oh yeah i mean and i think a lot of people are expected to be dropped shot heavy match name or slicer. Excuse me even if serena she went toe to toe she went toe to talk with the what we've always thought to be the hardest hitter in the world and she's not she's not any poster tonight. She's not john mcenroe came in your studio studio and and and said and it was a i find it quite jarring quote. There are now ten to twenty players who hit the bonus hottest serena. I'm not sure whether that's quite true but there are a handful tonight and when you think about twelve months ago to win. Our soccer did what she did. You start to realize actually the the ground has shifted yes. That's how i feel about tonight. I feel like i'm the first to take anything patrick. Mockby talked sensitive sundays to meghan markle tonight. That wasn't an accident also but he said before this match she said look the other three sons finals. She played before after coming back from maternity. Leave she she only she was able to make the finals three just willpower and competitive spirit not because she was ready this summer she's ready so we're looking at this pilion tennyson. Am i think i think that old adage of serena's best tennis is the best tennis no longer applies. That's how i feel. I i still think she might get twenty four. Maybe even more because everyone plays their best tennis at the the same time as an enemy given lock his huge factory etc etc draws everything but i don't think serena's best tennis is the best tennis anymore. It's it's top five after tonight's. I think i agree with you and what struck me again an an for anybody. Everybody listened to this. You've watched this match in your own way with your own t._v. Or you've maybe listen to the radio you had your own commentators on it which all influence i think the way you consume a match the way you and it doesn't impact you. I've watched it from a real bird's eye view in the back of the stadium looking down on on the court so difficult to to get a sense of the trajectory tree of the ball and the and the height of the net etcetera but what we do get a real sense of the movement of the plaza and where they on the court and hannah reacting to the pace of the ball how fast it's coming off the rack okay and my sense certainly for the set of comments that i did was that serena was made to look by andres kid a little slow she was slower than her and when they got into a big hitting based on a andress match for her in terms of power she had more work on the ball well because she has that natural topspin which makes leap off the corner way but there were a number of times when they went side to side that williams just wasn't quite there and she was hitting the ball lights she was sitting out quite dramatically out because she wouldn't back off and kept still going for the shots <hes> and ma- maybe that's retrievable. Maybe be with a proper off season and maybe some warmer tournament. She can get some sharpness that will make you feel and made me feel okay. Actually that was that was a one off but it looked like a nearly thirty eight year old and let's remember that serena tends thirty eight and a couple of weeks against the nineteen year old and that's a massive massive assist difference in terms of your physicality. I'm not saying it's impossible to do it. Roach ephedra still looks incredibly springy out are there and and like a panther <hes> but an- and serena can sometimes move incredibly well but to keep up with these kids. I don't know i don't know whether that's going to say it's a different breed of kids isn't it t- to any that come at her before schuster for yeah. She's she's different different and i think she's different doors. He sees its rubbing her luxury maura. This serena herself is the first to admit that that's the big weapon of hers the intimidation factor these fearless kids coming along fake him in the french open. It doesn't have the game of andros get these feelings kids coming along and sunny in her face going going to be and succeeding. They seize eroding a big weapon. Serena's andrea skew though stands alone in terms of having everything yeah i i would say of the this generation. She is the one that reminds me of serena twenty years ago more than anybody and i us their hands up in the primary issue day when it was me john mica manila and greg who had heard of her twelve months again of course greg had his hand up even finish on during the question but that's cheating cease canadian and he said oh the canadian federation meal canadian possible chill citizenship attention parker always always took him out canadian postal. It gets them access all suits. I think that i can get access. Lady go-goes doctor the other day apparently walsall's so yes he had he had the inside track from people at the canadian federation so discounting danny who is very recently retired very much finger on the pulse of if the women's store in john mcenroe's heavily involved in burqas saying we're happy to admit that they haven't hadn't had twelve months again here i mean joan was followed up by saying really he only became aware of appropriate neal's when she went not title and i think probably quite what a lotta people feel like. I'm sure there are some of you out. There aren't all about two years ago. Don't europe's is i. I saw for the first time in oakland at the start of the year in january three and i haven't looked up now. What's exchanged. We had yet because i i'd like to have a look at it just to see how far away we were <hes> but i would still say even with oakland's even with indian wells and even with toronto and rescues done here to carry all of that potential and that sort of my word. She looks a bit special into a slam and win a slam in free t. she routine fashion. She has just won a slam for the most part without playing her best tennis and i i look she played in the final. She played it in the final. She beat serena williams in straight sets on march the third knife hang on. We'll take a lot older but i'm sure i can get back that far on the six of the first you said no. No you didn't say anything then. I've searched under skew in my what's up. History can't find anything from january but i can certainly tell you that on the tenth of march he said go watch andreevski absolutely brilliant food cart proud of myself because you were in australia. Yes that would have been so. She hasn't lost a competed much since he said that pretty cool. She's twenty four and yeah i. I think what twenty five now yeah on the thirteenth of the third there was a message just under skew and then the is emoji. I sent that might say thirty march is when i can lay claimed i would say you definitely had a bit of a nightmare soccer moment when you saw properly for the first time didn't you because you still have white for me. <hes> <hes> yeah she's she's amazing and if you haven't had chance to properly watch apply <hes> just change it. She's got the lot and and <hes> it. I mean mcenroe was saying she's gonna win. Half a dozen major titles over the next few years this fitness permitting of course because <hes> anybody who's had four and a half months out the game because of a shoulder injury is a worry in that regard but you know hopefully that doesn't happen and i just want to. I want to see a play some of these others. I wanna play play some over samba lenka on a play or some <music> oldest coca everybody but we stood with tim m._d. On the eve of this ornament watching mankind rescue partisan you mentioned to tim the the time she had with a shoulder injury and he said a came gonna have it. She was just about to start serving in the practice. Had i e said usually that would be down to <hes> service mission if you having children trees is a nineteen year old. You've i thought is issue with the service mission. Who owns didn't he said nine. There's no problems there so i put that to marry a couple of days later when we were stood watching apprentice spent a lot time watching bangor and rescue practice because the dog also from washington yeah yeah it is because of the toll amid lock goes on. She was wearing less multicolored leggings. Wasn't you know this is a sm- mina point but she just i feel like this person is just doesn't give a toss what anybody thinks she just goes out <hes> she goes in some words <hes> check me out in my words it'd be looking on. I just don't give a toss you can judge me couldn't give it to us. Honestly i look her and i think i feel envious out of as as a nineteen nineteen year olds were given to have an ounce of that really just think i think most people are not dot com view life life through that lens and that's not am not being critical of her at all she she seems great to me. I think she sees great is speech on media day and yes. She was totally check me out in the most respectful likable <hes> to open the society's sustain issue you engage with us listening to the questions in the post-match into court today she just listened to the questions and then she she sydney processed them and came out with this with an answer that wasn't just trotted out because she's so used to saying to finish. It's the story that got initially derived by dogs and lastly derailed by things. Mary said it was just overplaying the shoulder injury and you just said your management that say i really hope she's right. Serena and twenty four probably the first time i've had a question mark in my mind yeah yeah me too. I think she needs the luck to fool for her. Joe mcconnell said in your interview with him. I don't think she'll be plane after next year. Not sure what he was basing ought to go because he said it would would would real stridency. He seemed happy to say that but you know well well. I mean i i went early on it saucy early but i always said that i couldn't see her onto without venus and and venus's thirty nine the rest going to play next year but it looks things neilan tissue avenue i knew three slices is the first one to shut down the narrative tip about her age etc such that both going to take you. I think the ones take care of his done and therefore next season is done fetus will be forty. <hes> equal just can't imagine i cannot imagine a rhetorical on twenty three. I can imagine a being there is a sixty year old. Just asking for world called in trying to ever have peace. I think john said said look she's already the greatest of and whilst i do believe that it'll always be there and the asterisk will always be there even if efficiently and there are people listen to this another that feel like that shouldn't be considered because she's she's done it all in the open era which i take the point i'll be until she gets twenty five. We'll be having this conversation one way or another. Can i interrupt this broadcast for an episode. Site description from the podcast released on the sixth of january twenty nine team. Your sugar tightly is goodbye hoffman cup question. Mark said ain't so hey andy murray returns semi colons naming soccer opens up semi colon daily favorites customer <hes> a couple of paragraphs about the homeland co-op <hes> hopping koppelman cup andy murray <hes> brisbane etc etc dohar chocolates pitchy cetera et cetera david catherine assess the title-winning weeks for kevin anderson and reading sub lincoln aged well <hes> this was a discussion ocean about namiki soka and calmer and excitement over rising star bianca andress gay january twenty nineteen both peba data come on <hes> well. I never in a million years could have imagined this. It's it is one of the most stunning rises at such a speed four grand slam. Tournaments is all she's played in the main draw that equals monica seles sixteen. I should add i with her. <hes> it's just an and yet still just looking at. It doesn't feel that biggest price. That's the most surprising thing about it is that it doesn't feel that big of a describes how use that line when she reached the final surprised. That's not a surprise to anyone well well. I it's look i still i'm still almost saying i think in rural hit twenty four out of just to the loyalty as much look. She's still pretty lace. Pick serena eh. She's older. She's still has reached for of what the last five grandson finals so you know that's an incredible amount of consistency and she keeps giving yourself opportunities. Go to this age at least <hes> so i'm going to i'm going to stick with it but and rescue has just put my jaw on the floor so this is catherine that we both had delivered a matt's got one as well. I couldn't believe how easy it was to set up because you know what i'm going to ten holiday also oh i'm in trouble here when the senate to me but it's something that two minutes and basically suddenly in a tennis match yeah your team at gateway not tennis watching heaven yeah and also there i was saying to you. Turn it up and you go well. You just get the app the app and then you you. Just talk to the app if you have any friends. We just don't know that that's right. Because this thing works with alexa it works google assistant stance phillies your instructions which wednesday always day yeah so basically you wanna get yourself sonus being great sound some. It's really easy to set up and something that you can talk autumn as well. I have a friend on tap. Dot com mixed doubles was won by why bethany magic sends and jamie murray today. It's the second one in a row in the first time. Anybody's defended for about thirty years one thousand nine hundred eighteen. Wow wow fantastic. Jamie's actually won the title three years in arabia's even it with martina hingis two years ago brilliant u._s._a. Open mic several specialists. They won the title title and didn't actually didn't actually know she'd wonder did she. She was really know about that. Because i love how open she was about this they both came to the prime primesee a really lovely interview with them <hes> and she's really knew about that because it meant that the visuals the optics sixes people say winning women will rubbish. She was <hes> she was very these great photos of me jumping in the air and this year's. This is the face of me looking confused. She was three two and she just won the whole thing <hes> and jamie act. She said that the same thing had happened to hear. The other way. Round earlier in the doubles didn't he. He said he he went to kneel scub- ski thinking that that just lost in a good match mate a male said komo kick. Oh yeah so you know this. Is it shows how the mind frazzle 's ready in may situations this holiday surprising when you consider what the stress they're under the intensity of at all <hes> but congratulations to to bethany mastic sons in january. Bethany always always gives a fantastic institution. She's energy. Isn't she again. If i could have just an ounce of fat please come on. She's done. She take time she. She's just presented eight hours a day on live t._v. For the last two weeks he's talking about energy fantastic as stay. Well you see the bad bit for the podcast is good often our everyday <hes> that's fine <hes> just just a word as well. I mentioned on the podcast last night about <hes> kabala power there win. How cool is that atmosphere. Doubles really gets people engage nervously that was a huge colombian crowd as well college students. Yeah it was really special in there wasn't a i. 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Roland Garros Re-Lived 1984  The match that haunts McEnroe

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Roland Garros Re-Lived 1984 The match that haunts McEnroe

"Hi I'm John McEnroe. And you're listening to the tennis podcast. Yes the Great John. Mcenroe is the focus for our second installment of Roland Garros relieved after the joys of Yannick Noah. Yesterday poor old John. He did not have the sort of day that you know had twelve months earlier and we've just watched the match. He played in one thousand nine hundred four against Yvonne. Mendel five cents native four hours Catherine matter myself and it was something. Pretty Special Katherine how you feeling having witnessed what you just witnessed. I'm still worried about John. Mcenroe's is he okay. Yeah and we'll go into the the off of that much but you know I think the answer is he's never been as as the would have been feed one that much he's never bidden quite okay again. That's how Saudis make that defeat was for him and the victory was lendl. Yeah Yeah it was. It was quite a matt. You have just senior. I ever full Joe McDermott. She's currents second. I've seen the nineteen eighty Wimbledon final enfold before. But this was the first other than that and yeah I mean I feel like I've I've discovered like a new album that I never knew about from my favorite artist. Kind of what? It feels like when you go back and watch these matches material that I kind of knew existed but it never never watched. Yeah I mean it's just one of the best matches I've ever seen I felt like I had a lot to say about it. And then the then the volleyball match point. Let's move it speech this. I haven't quite over that that the McEnroe botched match point. I'm sure we'll get into it but yeah just just. I'm on a bit of a high really. I feel like we've just come off watching an actual Grand Slam final. That's just minutes ago. Well Yeah I mean. Normally we would be doing our second daily edition of the tennis. Podcast live from Grand Slam reacting. Today's play and we're going into a day's play effectively a grandson. Because that's what we've just witnessed and it really has hitters which we're with spent little but we're going to enjoy reliving it with you here on the tennis podcast. We've also spoken to Mary. Carillo Catherine had crack and chat with her a couple of days ago in which he gave him insight into John McEnroe and the effect that match had on him the sort of impact in the sort of impressions that we wouldn't be able to give ourselves. Mary knew him from way back. And and we'll get onto that a little bit later. She'll give us the full story but just to give you an idea of what the world was like in nineteen eighty four. The first apple Mac went on sale English pound notes were taken out of circulation. Have you ever seen in English pans? Note either I have. They used to be Green Green and white virgin. Atlantic made its inaugural flight. The AIDS virus was identified by a French immunologist. Those are the things that happened in one thousand nine hundred four of night realist. I could give you what happens. Conscious dress it up. Is there going to be a virus related fact for every year Lincoln to present day? Bit of a terrorist isn't it? I sure I can pull it off. But and hopefully because that it's going to be Chev list when people come back in thirty years time looking back on matches from twenty. Two thousand years happened. Look down happened is what happened. Yeah so what about in the tennis world? John McEnroe on the men's side was the overwhelming world number-one Martina Navratilova was the best player in the world on the women's side and McEnroe was midway through one of the greatest seasons. We have ever seen he would win. Eighty two matches and lose just three. He was on a run. A forty two consecutive wins when he came into this friendship and final any went eleven wins and one defeat against the second and third ranked players in the world that year. So that's how how good he was and Matt. I mean that run of forty two consecutive match wins in a row. That's a lot of tournaments that was that's like Jackovitch. Did in two thousand eleven absolutely and I think the only bit to ads is what made him a favorite for this. French Open final against lender that he was winning on clay for Kinda the I. You know he's having really good results on clay for some of the first time in his career and he was dominating even then So part of the matches that made up those forty two. He won titles against In Philadelphia beating Leonard in the final in Brussels beating lendl in the final in forest hills on clay beating lender in the final and then to suit off on clay beating lender in the final say he had the absolute measure of him going into this match and the rivalry between them was was fascinating to watch. Because when you look at it now it was marginally in the favor of lendl throughout the whole career that he had the most wins but when they started McEnroe when the first two lendl and one seven matches and they're talking the country of this match about how landlord got his number and then McEnroe figured it out turned it around one seven out of their next eight and came into this particular match with ten eight advantage. So we'd want seven of the previous eight meetings between the two. The other context to give is even lendl had yet to win a grand slam title. He would go on to win. Eight one more than McEnroe would end up within his career but that time he was coming up short he was really struggling in the big matches and here he was up against the world number. One Guy who got his measure and really there was no feeling from the broadcast that we sort of NBC. Catherine that was a likely to change anytime soon. Oh I mean first of all it was a real pleasure to which the the NBC broadcast if that much so pleased to to find that on on cheap but yeah the the build up to to to the match the NBC coverage was treating it like a coronation like a foregone conclusion it was Tony Trae bits in the crowd. He was the last American to to win Roland Garros. He's here in the crowd because he's he's going to be handing over that mental today to to John McEnroe because John McEnroe doesn't leave tennis matches and even handle doesn't win Grand Slam finals and if story that's what it felt like and and that's what it felt like even more so at two sets to love up. Fif- John McEnroe's his. He's the exhibition tennis for today's took him apart absolutely and it was it was it was potentially too easy. Potentially because you know he he will I mean as the incident with the NBC cameraman. You've to John. Mcenroe senior in the crowd Jones very character full further wearing an NBC. Sports baseball CAP. Which I mentioned wasn't in the mcenery family collection probably after that day because it was an NBC cameraman with whom mcenery took issue with the stole to the third set and apparently and he recalls this In his second autobiography mcenery he says the reason he he lost it with the NBC cameraman Z. Heard the producer down that cameraman's headphones. He claims he heard that producer. A let me find the exact quote when the much is over will focus on John and then stick with him through the trophy ceremony. He's got this so make sure he's in the shot that that is what John McEnroe in his Second Autobiography seriously claims that he heard that that produces in that combined with his friends leaving the match halfway through leaving much of the of the two sets his friend of mud Richard. He said he got up to leave and shouted. You've got this Michael. See you back at the hotel. Nice on the subject of things going on behind the scenes in preparation for the for the title win and the trophy handing over. We've been backstage working behind the scenes at tournaments in the past and I know what that's like you get to. What four three in the say in the second or the third set? When you see the end could be by and you get everybody ready. You get the trophy just behind the doors on the entrance to the court and you hope that you don't catch the eye of one of the players because you don't want them to think they think the match is about to end and I've seen in the past. I Remember Tim. Henman once complaining that he saw a TV crew gathering at the end of a court ready for the end of match and and it put him off a scene. That sort of thing happened many times. But I mean and that's what it felt like when you got himself to six three five one at one stage and it was toying with lendl. Yeah it was the most confident tennis. I've I've ever seen really. I mean he it was like he wasn't even aware there was someone else on the other end of the court. He wasn't thinking about what lendl was going to do. We're worrying about Linda. Lendl was GONNA do. It was his game. It is this good and I'm just GONNA executed. I didn't give two hoots what you're playing down the other end of the core. It was so supremely infectiously confidence but there were there were there were couple of moments of looks in hindsight like foreshadowing in both games where he served out the opening sets he served double-faults and the only double faults that he had hit in. Those opening tea sets that was in really really wobbly for hand or more than Mobley A it was a botched forehand to use Matt's word in the when he was serving out the opening set. Now he did. He did manage to serve out these sets but they would just tiny tells in retrospect of of the pressure and potentially the the mental gymnastics were going on in in John. Mcenroe's mind throughout even the plain sailing poets. If that much so you can only imagine what was going on during the feeling theories. Do you feel a bit silly. Though for being surprised by how good McEnroe walls like? I've always known Makomo was great. He's these multiple Grand Slam champion. Yeah I found myself surprised at how good his tennis was. I think often the often the narrative around Makomo can get a bit reduce. The people can talk about him a took his temper. We'll talk about him being a genius but the actual intricacies of his play is understanding of the call his his so of was bigger than I than I thought it was his of angles. The text the to his game the flow we had the way would have smother opponent in a way that kind of federal does by just letting his game just come out is incredible to watch and I had not sure never fully appreciated that before this an all the way through this match when we were sharing notes on it and we were even asking Mary's thoughts on it because we just could not believe he's GonNa lose this match. You're watching it and it's it's it's six three five one and then he then he wins. That set six teams. So He's two sets to love up and the he has so many chances including getting to two games all in the second having love forty on the lendl second serve and not breaking serve in that particular game lendl and went full to. Mcenroe breaks back but all the time. Mackinaw is the better player. That's how it feels. And he just doesn't convert the the key chances and then really noticeable the way his. I just just deserted him and and that becomes a monologue from McEnroe with the crowd. Doesn't it well or mortar point? We as viewers here. Mcenroe losing his temper. But he's not losing the temple with the line empires is he's having a god himself he calls himself a stupid. Moronic JERK He he misses a backhand by an shit. Four Games all and Jews and he goes got damn you this this just regularly rather much. The jet of Lendl throughout the much is really interesting. Well because it's very responsive to to macaroni. It's really competitive match in the very early stages but lentils in it. He looks like he's playing well and then and then it's clear that mcenery is just playing so well and so confidently that the this this kind of deflation in lend can only see him thinking. Well it kind. It doesn't matter how well they play. Because this guy is just on another planet and then second-set Lendl is as As Bud Collins described He said the guys naked out there without his forehand. Just such a great description. He is four hundred just was completely off the boil and he did look naked. He looks powerless and lost. In the face of this man playing just hypnotic tennis and then my can. Rick gives him a sliver of hope. The Guy Looks Lost and naked. How many times can I say naked in this in this podcast and McEnroe handsome hope on a platter? He shows him. That even is playing brilliant tennis even though lentils four hundred is deserted him. He doubts himself. And you can see Lendl Greg. Your third year you see lendl become wate ended up becoming as a champion this relentless figure who had this huge four hundred not semi great cross-court passing shot four and Z would hit. He hit a slight sort of early. The Dow Banana forehand down the line that he'd he'd got on the run. That was beautiful shot. He got a good backhand passing shot across court particularly but you started to see the that felt like the making give him an interview with him recently when he when he refuted that as being a kind of moment that defined his whole career. He was trying to say well look. Let's let's not forget I was. I was on the brink a lot I was and I just think I would have got there eventually anyway but maybe it might not happen like that. Maybe the scar tissue built as we've seen with certain players and and I mean Matt. He was he was a dominant player. We I think I don't really think I realized how dominant was everywhere else. Other than the slams time yeah he'd won it already thirty nine titles on the tour by this by this point but obviously none of those at the slams which I appreciate it either. I kind of thought that maybe he got to a few slam finals. But almost maybe wasn't ready to win them but he absolutely probably should have one of those first four. It was a good enough player too. I just think was interesting about this match as well is. It's held up as kind of quintessential choke if you like. It's kind of the match. That people will point to is Makomo choking so therefore expected his whole game to disintegrate. And yet as you go further into the match. He's still playing this gorgeous tennis and he looks like the better player throughout the whole match. Just what he doesn't do is take is opportunities and as you said those any any lets himself get distracted by things himself get distracted by the crowd's not turning against him by the cameraman. And as you said that that was just hope for lender and that that was a route back into the match Volendam. He didn't he didn't close McNamara. And that's what's gotTa hurt him because he was such a good from Rana in his career. I I had a quick look. I think he only lost one match two sets up in his whole career. You didn't lose these matches. He was a front runner who allowed his talent to take over matches when he was in control and Swannee. Alexis get away. Even though his tennis doesn't disappear he just doesn't take his chances and that is what does her. We know how much it hurts thin. That's shown by how all the way through where x where even sets four and five within Kinney's. He's not he's going to win. This IS NEAT. Even another result. I'm still I don't I'm thinking. How does he lose it from here? He's the two break points even in the fifth set isn't he? I think it about four games. All those two final sense. The one seven five seven five that gives you an idea of just how stressful it was out there. I mean if if you're watching it as we've just done what is it seventy six years on and it still stressful to watch when you even know the results that tells you just what it must have been like at the time. It was absolutely fantastic match. I I came out of it up. Lifted but fading just devastated for McEnroe. And we'll we'll talk about what that meant to him and and what we know of that after. We've heard from from Mary as well but I think we should hear from from Mary now because nobody knows John McEnroe really any better within ten circles than than she does she. She wanted mixed doubles title with him. In nineteen seventy seven and she knows what it meant to Joe McConnell. John should have against lendl in that incredible match and interestingly I cover the French withdrawn McEnroe every year on NBC. And as much as he likes parents and the event he he admitted to a certain melancholy as he wandered grounds. He knows that that was his chance. And so few American men had won that title. You know it had been a lot. Trabert dated back in the day. But and obviously Michael. Chang wanted at seventeen but John had his look and he choked and he knows he and he wasn't a choker by nature so that one haunted John won the junior. The nine hundred seventy seven. The first year he played at Roland Garros he won. The junior title mean. John was good on everything John would would be. John would have been great playing lunar tenants. If such a thing existed He did and he look the minute. His game was going to work on anything and he again. That was the start of Leno and that was the start. John Elway says my my best rivalry. My greatest rivalry was with Borg. That's not really true. That's his favorite rivalry. It's not his greatest. I mean he had a lot a lot more matches with a lot more people But Lendl beating him changed both of careers. I really feel that way. What are your memories of if that final in eighty four at the time? Oh I mean I just I. Of course I thought he was going to win. There is no doubt in my mind. Lendl had played in major finals and lost all of them and John was really playing. Well his his serve was taking the clay and kicking it out wide and he was doing he was doing well. And then you know. I think anybody who's watched that match could see that each at it started as anger. You know he was a cameraman who I knew that he got angry at and then he just he lost his temper and then he truly lost his way and once he knew that he had gotten some traction in that match he he was just ready to take it over. Leno was a terrific claycourt player because he had pretty long take back and pretty big Swings and the Klay gave him time to hit them John and his whole serve-and-volley crash dashed bumped in and come in. And you know John John New play clay as well but it was an absolute that John have one match FAC against particular opponents. As well I mean then he would. He would try. It's very rare that Johns anger got in the way of his success but on that occasion John Chambers could not could not recover from himself and Lendl took the event when you say that much that results the way it panned out change both careers. What's the what's the sliding doors situation for both for for McEnroe fee had? Let's say you know he'd he'd one in three straight sets Preceded as it had done the first two. What's the ultimate universe? I think I mean John Kerry that loss around for months and I think for Leno. Obviously he started winning majors after that. So that that's the easy explanation for for that change. His career people knew that he wasn't a choker anymore. But I also think Jon Out. I'll tell you this conversation that John had that night with Patrick. They've went out with his younger brother. They went out to have a bunch of Beers after that match and Patrick said to John of the younger brother is going to try to say to an older brother champion. Patrick said don't worry they'll be. They'll be more chances which sounds like a pretty safe sensitive thing to say and John. Looked at Patrick and said no there. Won't that was my chains. That was my chance by. John knew that that was always going to be the hardest one for him doing. Oh I mean the the major one for you US Open. Three Wimbledon say ron faster surfaces. They rewarded his kind of play. Dach- so of course he went on and one more majors but he never got close to winning in Paris again that Melancholia the described that he experiences in Paris at Roland Garros has that has that eased over the is it has because John has sort of become this. Great avuncular character. You know you know what he's like he's he's like as a very different guy from the man who is trying to win majors back in the day but no he will allow he really admit in. Paris and an telly Catherine. I'll bet it's happened just about every single year that we've been there and I've covered perisher decades now where he will say. I still have a problem with this place. And that's something would he? Would he ever use the C word? Choke yeah I think he will now. Yes yes he will he reluctantly he. Sort of chokes. When he says it no no he look he knows. That's that's why I think that conversation with Patrick is so powerful right. Yeah goodness many well and the thing is at you know if you watch John play a lot and so many of his matches he'd he'd flubber Bali you know he'd he'd hit a bad shot and you'd you'd grab his own throat and that to me was such a great release valves for him he would grab it like he would admit to everybody in that stadium and watching on TV that he had just choke that shot. I have you seen him do that. You've seen him. I'm sure if you go through his old videos he'll actually grab but then he recovers from it. You know then the next the next five shots he plays were gorgeous but John was a for dismiss it. He got it out of his system by grabbing his own throat but he could not do that against Yvonne. Lendl impairs what. It really sums it up. Doesn't it to hear Mary? Talk about Joe McConnell in those terms and that those business that he went out forward Patrick McEnroe's that the feeling that on one hand logic should tell you that this is the first of many chances in this guy is absolutely in his prime. He's just one forty two matches in a row. He's finally lost one and look at what he went on to do. He then went to Wimbledon and he absolutely destroyed the failed. He beat Jimmy Connors in a match that I watched live the age of ten years old and even at that age. I knew that I'm watching. Just a genius. A work and somebody who's totally totally dominant in the sport. He lost three matches for the entire year of which that lendl match was one of them he won the US. Open later that summer as well but then it all disappeared really I mean he. What was it he? He reached one further Grand Slam final in his whole career. That was in nine hundred eighty five and it never happened for him again. He had moments. He had special moments that I'll always remember particularly ninety. Two Rich Wimbledon semifinals and one or two others like that but that was it in terms of being the dominant force but I I'm always fascinated as well to to try to work out. How big a deal. This was for him. I mean Mary uses the word haunting which which I find really makes me shudder just to think about it but I wanted to wonder whether although we had good results of the rest career whether whether this kept coming back to him in his in his own autobiography to give you an idea of of just how hard this hit him. This is what John McEnroe wrote. It was the worst loss of my life. The devastating defeat. Sometimes it still keeps me up nights. It's even tougher me now to do the country at the French one two days when literally feel sick to my stomach just being there and thinking about that match thinking of what I threw away and how different my life would have been. If I'd won I was at the top of my game that Spring and my game plan was this. Don't change a thing. Serve come in. A new volley was the best in the business a new. I couldn't lose Peter Fleming. That's his doubles partner. Course was planning a victory party. Even before the match began the day of the match I saw a caricature in a French newspaper. In the picture I was on one side of the net pointing a gun at Lendl who stood in the corner on the other side shivering sweat pouring off him. I loved that picture. The French fans evidently felt the same way. When I was introduced on Center Court at Roland Garros I got the greatest handed ever received at the start of a match a huge raw by the end of the match in my own inimitable way. I'd somehow managed to get the entire crowd against me once again. Visceral isn't he was. He left the court that day booed off by the French fans. The the trophy ceremonies. They held it back then with this incredibly thing that seems to take place. In one of the stands completely chaotic and disorganized they handling the trophy. Well he's just looking like a child. That's had his ice-cream taken away and then they hand McEnroe this plate which he looks like he wants to throw in. Blake's face is not play is a trae isn't it and then they hand Lendl this extremely amateur looking microphone. That does not look like it's going to be able to project anything to crowd of. Eighteen thousand lendl gives a one line of speech which doesn't reference his team. Any thank used is not referenced. Macaroni just says. I'm really happy that I won. I'll be back next year. And then he disappears apparently space to speak but he just marches off. He much is down the steps and into the locker room met with a cacophony if these and then on the NBC brokers there is about eight minutes Bud Collins valiantly trying to hold up a live report clearly woman is is saying. Just just pat out for bit more bud. We trying to locate the players. Say Bud Collins give sort of a potted summary of what he's just seen. The ten is my phone's just washing says I'm hearing reports that even Liz vomiting in the locker room no sightings of John McEnroe's for for some time And he does eventually catch up with lend lend does a quite extraordinary interview with him. Where landless sat in a corridor? I think stymied it looks. It looks like a hostage video. He sat in a corridor. Looking completely. Spent says is very shaky blurry camera with incredibly poor lighting but collins is sort of bending down and obscuring most of lentils face from the short and his first question to me. It was great interviews. First question to him was if on I can never ask you again about how you always lose. Grand Slam finals. And then he asks him later on. Did you stick which matches? Yeah is amazing. Can I say though how how much I enjoyed the commentary but Collins he was alongside Dick Enberg and I loved some of his references? I mean this is a guy. He played sport but not at a professional level even the journalists the Boston Globe for for decades. And he's somebody I came across in in my career. He died three or four years ago but I knew him for about ten years. And always the loveliest person to encounter in the press room really welcoming to two young new people in the room. If either one of you come across him he'd he'd have given you a great welcome. You know made you feel part of it which is such a lovely quality of his but also as as a commentator some of the lines he came up with just happy in hysterics for start but I also thought he was really well. He really read the game. Well you read what was happening. He managed to communicate what was happening. In a way that I think could Any sort of casual tennis sports observer OR SOMEBODY WHO is interested in John? Mcenroe could have switched on and thought. Yeah I get what's going on here. Not just being lectured or ease the line mid commentary that of course. Mcenroe won his first ever Grand Slam title here at Roland Garros when Mary Carillo carried him see mixed doubles. Glory in nineteen seventy seven which is an all time. Great Coventry Line. Mary tells it slightly differently. He he to believe we'll have to see the footage I also enjoyed his is reference to the slice serve out wide e called it the can opener which. I thought was a great way of putting. It enjoyed it. How the there's a a big tradition in America I think for when NBC would cover the French Open and Wimbledon breakfast at Wimbledon and it was always shown at that time the day and he referenced. How his his uncle studly was Enjoying a float which was a big bowl with a croissant tennis and champagne all around and the was to see whether we could finish the class on champagne. I just made it fun. A might experiment with the next full friendship and fortnight. Ain't nothing just pick up on something that you Mary Katherine About. What would be the sliding doors situation if that match on the other way? 'cause I thought McEnroe wrote something interesting. His autobiography as well saying that a French tie to would have given made that final complete thing. I don't now have which is a legitimate claim as possibly the greatest Myopia. Oh time so he was. He was kind of seeing the real big picture. There ope not getting the French kind of was really was really a black mark against his career. You know he was. He was recognizing the fact that you have to win on all surfaces that came out in two thousand and two so just as just the Sampras was retiring and you know he would have had probably fewer slams Sampras but he would have had the French if it got this so it's interesting how. He framed it that way as well into in terms of his place in tennis history was affected by this this one match as well. I do find it. Amazing to think cove a match loss still be an important much by a then five time Grand Slam champion. Who went on to win two more grand slams that year how that lost much can still be described unthought of by the man himself and by and by Marion people that knew him as a career defining match career finding loss. You know I I understand how it was created finding philanderer. He had lost four Grand Slams at that point. Yes he now says. It was any mattress time. But that wouldn't necessarily have been the case. I mean it was probably the lure of diminishing returns at that point where whereas sort of up until the four Grand Slam final losses. You're thinking with each one. It seems a little more likely in the future but then conversely say the baggage and Scott. Tissue building up so I understand the sliding doors thing lendl but to think to think that much in the career circumstance McEnroe at the time being created. Finding is is amazing to me. I was go back to your line about not wanting federal to win necessarily to the nine women and find out. He doesn't need it well. If either player needed it on paper and this finalist lender because he hasn't got any slams but actually you you really get the. That McEnroe needed this as well. You're in this final. You kind of get the sense that both needed it. Which is perhaps what makes it so so tantalizing as a match and that and that conversation that you had with with Mary. And she's relying the discussion that John had with Patrick about how John Sense that that was his time and he wouldn't have another moment this this whole match and that conversation actually put me in mind of last year's men's Wimbledon final with Federal Djokovic. So much of what we've talked about in terms of Makomo being the better player not winning was was also true Federer in terms of Makomo knew that was his last that was his chance and you kind of felt like federal knew that that was his chance. I I think I think there are some parallels there and I think when when people go back and watch the women final there will be having similar conversations to what we're having difference in careers in that kind of thing differences though I federal be over federal. Be Okay with it. That's the difference and McEnroe's says in his autobiography which he wrote in two thousand to eighteen years on from that match. He said he'd never watched it back. He just couldn't couldn't watch it back. And I just wonder whether McEnroe sinks more now about that loss than he does about his great happy moments. I also think it will comes across from from both autobiographies. The segments on eighty four Wimbledon final is that he's trying so hard to to admit that he choked. You know I also Mary would he use the C word and she said yes I think he would now. But he doesn't in in either autobiography But he he really is trying to to to to say it was entirely my fault however the McEnroe ni-nice does does show three. He you know in in the in the segment where he's talking about. This is inaccessible. Second Autobiography and he's talking about his his football. A friend Armored Rishaad the left of way through saying you've got this Mukasey back at the hotel he says Shit. The last thing I needed was the jinx. It's an unwritten rule in sports that friends and family leave until the matches over and then he says not that. I'm blaming of mud for the loss. Which is my favorite sentence ever. I'm not blaming him but I am blaming him. A bit actually you. You do see this. Come out and say if you talked to him about if this comes up in conversation this match. I've always gone pretty well with McEnroe professionally when I've had to deal with him on. The champions tour will got on well and I was found. He was helpful. You know you might make it really hard work. But actually he would he would deliver knee. You know if you degrade something he would delivery. We turn up just about on time. And when he got there he would deliver by. I do remember. I didn't appreciate how much this loss hurt him. One time I interviewed him when Lendl was returning and coming on the champions tour and and I said what's lend like and he said Oh you know his his jokes still as bad as ever. We both laughed and then I said what jokes like ninety four French. Open thinking that that might be something that Lendl might raise in conversation backstage. Mackinaw should've stalled it out. But that irritated him that I brought it up and when we finish the interview told he told me I didn't like that and and we were. We were okay. We we sorted out. I didn't mean to kind of upset. Him that cuts. That's too close to the bone from and I can. I can understand it. I mean it hurts him. I think it just shows that it still hurts. This is why you need tennis. Relive David exe these matches. Well he writes I mean I feel. I'm bursts new learning so much about periods in history tennis history which I knew something offer had a memory from being a Kiddo have read something about or her story but I mean this really does take you back and I'm loving every minute of it one last sliding doors thing that I wonder about this much is it's so it's so on character for or feel someone character based on what we have macaroni for him to be haunted by this much somehow to fit him to potentially fixate on this loss more than any of the the the winds because he's such a complex character perfectionist. I mean his his tennis that we just watched was near perfection in that much if he had won this match would he have found some other much to be keeping him up at night. Still it's kind of chicken and egg. Does he have this kind of character because of that does he? Have these haunted feelings because that ninety nine hundred four French Open final or does that much haunted him because of the kind of character that he is a do think he has the capacity to self-destructs. And I think that you see that with the meltdowns with with the empire and it was like it was at the end of that year that he he ended up having his one of his most famous meltdowns in Stockholm where he worries said the question jerk to the empire and he smashed all of his belongings into smithereens on on the side of the core and he got fined seven thousand five hundred dollars and he was suspended for three weeks at the end of the year and you know and he ended up injuring himself during training while he was suspended. Knee ended up missing the Australian Open. So I I mean he could. He could sometimes start an argument pretty much in an empty room if if it sets him off. But I can't imagine if you've got that title. There would have been a big enough gap in his resume really but that I can't imagine just being completely serene and content with his career and then not being something that keeps him up at night. Maybe needed this. I Dunno I just can't imagine that scenario where when McEnroe just content as you describe as you describe with with federal that the comparison that much ends with the fact that federal will be okay with it. He's a different type of character. I can't imagine even without the eighty four French. Open final mcenery being not the character that doesn't have a match that keeps him up at night but it's impressive. Let it affect his tennis for the rest of that season in. And that's another difference with federal because you know federal mentioned that match the demons he every time federal place he has those the demons lurking from mashes. His law swept joke but makomo seemed to park this match for the season and yet it's haunted him for the rest of his life after he's finished playing as he's written a ballon as we talked about Thankfully I'm really pleased that he ended up becoming a commentator in developing another side to him to kind of have this out that to show the whole other aspects is because we've always found him great to deal with on the hall and watching that match. Yeah we were pulling for him really to to to to get over the line and obviously it wasn't to be but it was absent treat to relive for us and I hope you've enjoyed listening about it as well so to down. We've got another one coming up tomorrow here on tennis. Podcast and it will feature nine hundred eighty five Ronin garage. When Chris Evans Faced Martina Navratilova in the third successive well in the second of three consecutive finals? Those two players would play against each other in shortly. The greatest rivalry sport has ever known. Catherine's got an exclusive interview with. Chrissy that we're going to be playing some of it for you in tomorrow's show. We're going to also have Chris Evert Week just after we've finished the French Open relieved series of podcast and we're going to go really deep into her history as a player and what she meant to the sports and will play the full interview them. But I'll tell you what you're gonNA listen to tomorrow is a treat Catherine Matt. That was a lot of fun. We'll go and and rest up before tomorrow's show hope you've enjoyed it and we'll be back with you tomorrow.

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Never Have I Ever And What's Making Us Happy

Pop Culture Happy Hour

14:01 min | 9 months ago

Never Have I Ever And What's Making Us Happy

"The new comedy never have I ever is a great new binge from net flicks. It might remind you of a lot of warm and funny shows about navigating high school. It's hero is an Indian American girl named Davey Juggling. Her friends the boys. She's interested in and plenty of drama at home. One of the show's creators. Mindy Kaeling who gives never have I ever some of the same energy she put into the Mindy Project. Davies is a little confused a little selfish and very consumed by her dreams of romance. I'm Stephen Thompson and I'm Linda Holmes. Today we are talking about the new netflix series. Never have I ever on pop culture happy hour from NPR so don't go wing this message comes from NPR sponsor. Discover you check things all the time. Like your email or social media. What about checking something? As important as your credit score discover makes it quick easy and free with their credit scorecard. Even if you're not a customer see your Fico Credit Score. The score used by ninety percent of top lenders and other important credit information learn more at discover dot com slash credit scorecard limitations apply. Welcome back just met. Npr Music Stephen Thompson. Also with US Glenn Walden the NPR arts desktop. Glenn it's good to have you both here So never have I ever. As we mentioned mindy is one of the creators. She created it with Lang Fisher who also worked on the Mindy Project Never have I ever is about on. Dvd and her mother and cousin who lived with her. She has a couple of friends at school. Who you meet and learn a little more about it's on net flicks. It's ten episodes. It's a very kind of enjoyable comedy. I enjoyed it a lot. The first episode. I got a little bit stuck on and didn't continue it but when I got a couple of episodes farther I really liked it. What did you think yeah? I don't have a lot to say here just dug. It went down really easy. I mean high school settings never my favorite so I was getting my loins for the show. I thought this was going to be all about being popular and clicks and it's not that or at least it's incidentally that it's not a particularly joke dense show but the jokes that are there are strong. It's not a love triangle. It's more like a line and Adat. That's a salad piece of business. Right there the notion of a theater kid being horrified at being taken to spam a lot. There's a specificity to these jokes. That really seldom specificity to the whole show. Even though a lot of these situations are cliches. I mean this is the third thing we've done in a row derek. Girls Normal people in this that all have teens go to a party episode but this just feels really lived in. It feels fully imagined and shut up to the mom played by Porno Jonathan Man. She is great. She and nothing stereotypical about her. It's just a very real realized character. Who's a hell of a lot of fun so I really dug this ask Stephen? You have raised a teenage daughter. How did you like this? Not only am I in the process of raising a sixteen year old daughter but I also lost my father at an early age and this show revolves around a lot of coping with the aftermath and the grief of this girl losing her father very suddenly in very unexpectedly and so this show did not have a hard time getting its hooks into me very deeply not only in terms of jokes but also in terms of a lot of the emotion involved particularly a lot of the family dynamics that she's experiencing resonated with me really deeply. I really loved this show. I think that it's very easy with the show like this to pick apart little things. That are very frustrating. And you know there's a fat kid character who comes in and has no reason to be there to be the butt of jokes. I think a lot of people have have watched this show and said you know what I really loved it except for this thing. And it is an idiosyncratic show. It is a flawed show but I think overall it's a very funny very warm very smart show that that as Glenn said I mean went down so so easily I sat just washed it in one sitting and really loved it and we haven't even talked about John McEnroe yet. Yeah so one of the things I came to appreciate about. The show is the things about it. That are just kind of odd. And you know there's kind of the narration aspect as a lot of shows like this have where somebody's explaining kind of what's going on and giving you some of the characters thoughts but no particular what appears to be at the beginning no particular reason the narrators John McEnroe who acknowledges in the narration like later. I'll explain why it's me doing the narrating. I did really like that oddness to it. Then it was hard for me when I started the show that I sometimes struggle with the Mindy. Kaelin kind of signature. Make the person really selfish and unpleasant at times and then kind of see how far you can push that but the fact that this is a high school student who is going through such a difficult time made that a lot easier to take and of course one of the things that has made this show special to a lot of people is that you know she is an Indian American kid where you don't get a ton of high school shows don't have a great history with being any more diverse than the rest of television necessarily and it's that there are no other examples but the my Ramakrishnan performance as Davey is so special and lovely and she is a very young actor. She's not well-known that performance. Really that character and keeps her from becoming somebody who is. She is selfish a lot and she hurts people's feelings and I think it's okay to sense that but I think they get this one over that Hump. After a short period of time as Steven mentioned there are some things I was not crazy about. I was certainly not crazy about the deployment of the fat kid. It does feel gratuitously mean in a show. That's not gratuitously mean. There's a use of a Davey having a kind of a psychologically caused paralysis in the first episode that causes her to be Using a wheelchair for a time. And that's all very much played for comedy in a lot of ways wasn't sure how I felt about that but I think when you kind of go in and say is this show that is still giving you a lot of really. Good stuff at definitely was One thing I want to ask about is Steven. What did you think of the love stories? The two boys that she's interested in one of kind of a rich jerk and the other one of whom is kind of a to her mysteriously sexy unattainable guy. I thought those characters get nice bits of development over the course of the series though I think there were some very very familiar reverberations from other shows and movies in some of the like basic characterization. There I really found with this show. I was moved by the Family Dynamics. I was moved by the friendships and the evolution and de Evolution of her friendships. I wasn't interested in the love triangle and the show is kind of building over the course of its ten episodes to this. Like whom should she pick and the answer is no one she? She's not ready. She is still going through very very serious trauma she is not ready to pick one of these dudes and like other people might be more invested in being team so and so or team such and such. That was kind of the one part of the show. That really didn't quite land for me yet. Was this whole the development of this love triangle. That think shouldn't be yeah. I agree they make an attempt to flesh out the character of Ben in the six episode. He gets a different narrator than she gets. And it's a good choice and actually I got to say at the beginning. The John McEnroe narration threw me as it's intended to because I mean John McEnroe. Is John McEnroe? He has a flatness of affect that. It sounds like he's reading and really quickly becomes a feature not a bug. It's an a show that is up and down on the emotional scale so much. Having that kind of to steady the progression of things is kind of. It's kind of fun. Yeah it's important as you watch this show and you process reactions to this show. I do recommend seeking out some of the writing about it. That's come from particularly Indian American writers Sonia Seraya for Vanity Fair. Wrote a really really nice piece about the show very very much praised it. There was also had an exchange with a critic on twitter. His name is Powell Baynes. And she's Indian Canadian and she talked about how it feels like the Indian American characters are much more carefully realized. But there's some stereotyping around the Indian people from India and I thought that was a really interesting distinction. We haven't really talked about it yet but David has a cousin named Kamala who I think is a real. I like that performance. It's really more Johnny. That character comes on and she's kind of this beautiful glamorous cousin and then is so much more than that and is developed so much more than that. There's a kindness to her but her parents are trying to get her into an arranged marriage and I think one of the points that Pablo was making was that there's a little bit of that kind of the tees and the arranged marriage and it all feels that that part feels a little more wrote to her than some of the other stuff but at the same time Sonia said no I relate to that because I knew those aunties and I knew that cousin and so one of the things I like about the show is also generated a lot of really good interesting writing for sure. One thing that I wanted to add is anytime any show. You are putting together if you can throw in a sprinkling of nece- Nash. I am going to be. I'm going to be like thirty percent more down with your show than I was already in this show deploys Nsee Nash as Davies Therapist and she manages to be funny and warm and also inject this show with a bunch of really good advice without ever like weighing down the humor of it more easy Nash. Yeah and there's also a coming out story line which I thought was handled really well. Didn't derail things. It didn't bring everything down. It didn't stop the show dead. It was part of the thread that was going along and it was heart warming and kind of buoyant in a way. Yeah I really liked the performances from the friends. Lee Rodriguez plays her friend. Fabiola Ramona young plays her friend. Eleanor I thought they were really fun and likable. I agree that I like that Nancy. Nash Performance. It's a little bit weird. How often therapists are black women and that is something that a lot of people have commented on that. I think bears attention but I think in this case one of the things I like about it is. It's an easy Nash. But they resist the urge to kind of write her for lack of a better word. Sassy it's an easy Nash. In a very kind of therapists de sort of mode. I think she's terrific in it. I really really like the performance from her. I really like her scenes with Davy. I wished a little bit that there were more of them but overall it definitely got me took me a couple of episodes to get into it but I really liked it. Joe Elected as much as I did. Well let us know what you think about. Never have I ever which I think. All of us would recommend you can find us on facebook at facebook dot com slash P. C. H. Twitter at pch. Before we go we wanted to let a couple of our forth chairs share. What's making them happy this week? So take it away. Monica Castio. Hi this is film critic and writer Monica Custodio. And what's making me happy? This week is the new season visa which you can find on stars if you haven't seen the show before it's about two estranged mexican-american sisters who returned to their boyle heights home after the death of their mom but they're all kinds of beautiful complicated relationships on this show and this new season wasted no time getting back into action so I hope you'll give me the try and joy their third and final season as much as I have. Hi this showed. I'm a freelance writer. Based in San Antonio Texas and this week was making me. Happy is a remix. It's actually by Megan. These million and it features beyond say called savage and let me say that time it features beyond say Jones Carter the beyond say and it's not just a one obverse. It's beyond say at the top of her game. Spitting rhymes like literally rubbing singing providing saucy AD. Libs here and there. She's just doing her thing and we haven't heard her like this in a while. So I WANNA think Megan I wanNA think beyond safer for giving us a creation at a time where people are really at a loss for words to at a standstill in their lives. To Song really really did a lot for a lot of people at the right moment. So that's what's making me happy this week once again. Monica recommends veto. Which is now airing on stars and Kiana recommends Megan the stallions savage remix featuring beyond say and that brings us to the end of our show. Thanks to both of you guys for being here and of course thank you for listening to Pop Culture. Happy from NPR. If you have a second subscribe to our newsletter it's over at NPR dot org slash pop culture newsletter. We will see you back here on Friday when we'll look back at the movies worth revisiting from the year two thousand. We're spending more time at home than ever before. So now's a great time to finally adopt a dog right. Socialization is going to be harder. 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WTA Finals Day 6  Cahill and Halep: Disgrace-gate; Pliskova hits form; Djokovic dominates in Paris

The Tennis Podcast

38:30 min | 1 year ago

WTA Finals Day 6 Cahill and Halep: Disgrace-gate; Pliskova hits form; Djokovic dominates in Paris

"Hi I'm John McEnroe onboard this is Martina Navratilova Mats Wilander and that we were intending to celebrate and completely forgotten all about but anyway that's the sort suspecting might come up but Katherine Wichita is here live there's a bloody big inconvenient gap in play you say inconvenience to minutes I say gap they've actually they've moved The doubles match that was going to be played doubles on Senator Yep courtesy of a Latte Djokovic Catherine mean he was sensational today wasn't it I mean this tape and he was pretty rope in his first round match ask you sounded like Tom Waits or week never drove it she really has sounded Abe is just you know we begging that much up so much sit oh how he doesn't fit Jovic he thinks Jovovich fears head absolutely demolition in poor stephanus it's best we know we experienced of she got a hiding from the dull in Australia Pathan we we did actually I think pretty much come to the conclusion last night that he would beat York of it so particularly in that fashion I I didn't say this because I was busy commentating but goodness it wasn't even a contest really as one of those matches where confused by what was happening to I'm also eagerly awaiting those press conference I was I it was it was your action in Paris and it was it was backfoot yeah well let's get straight onto that I should say that Jock itch now plays Griego Dimitrov is I mean I thought it was it finally felt like we could breathe again with normal tennis withdrawing out of illness or injury suddenly you've got everything on the line with eleven winners and three unforced errors it resists though she'd just decided sensational second-set I felt Hallo was equally sensational Full reboot now you gotta go full reboot which she did she started running everything Oh hey you're putting everything get hip hice for push giver she's loving it stop playing so gets to three two in the third set and again incredibly competitive five the loan from him. I've certainly never been shocked by an encore coaching great on the court he went on say come on you've got to really get in get your focus back you she then went out and lost eight of the next nine points and went from he lost it and it's a very strange feeling to to to suddenly feeding I expect for myself quite uncomfortable well I'd been prepared for it because I haven't been watching it live came off and then really struggled to find clip of it online which tells you story the general reaction to it because usually something like that dynamic on whoops is about I suspect that is probably K with it no okay with think beyond series is no because I think the public nature and I I did feel uncomfortable watching it because the child and that isn't how I won't play coach relationship to feel an never always inviting her to give her these if and it was it was uncomfortable to watch to give disavow Hallett just to give a little bit of further context we then had on bt sport where that's how I felt Joe Gerry whose alongside me was a real talent off at times if she didn't think she was doing the right things but he would always be in private and I also should say that there's a danger of Soup Shin's publicly that that are entertaining I was walking out in probably enjoying the ED or how it could be viewed as hypocrisy there Nigel sears. An UNTERBERG craft were both think K. Hill you could see that this was a builder and that she was I think ignoring watch Andy Murray behave like that where I think the first thing I want somebody to do is go and say is I cannot think of another example where a player has it was it was a pretty extraordinary thing to witness in the moment love the way to go in that in that moment and I genuinely do think he had her another if both talked about how it was quite aggressive and didn't create coaching timeouts with okay what are you thinking tell me talk to me and Oh on court coaching session which we saw and it didn't work very openly about his advice wanting to two games this is concentrate on these next two games Kabaddi win appoint and it was almost as though he'd said Oh this new stuff as well about fixated on quite naturally and it reflected in her tennis and yeah just as a viewer it was really uncomfortable I thought I'm not going to knuckle down I'm I don't care anymore a Little Bit the oiled so and she responded really and yes it will be interesting to see where they go from here and I and I am quite differently about one the next however many games for five I don't think that that element would have changed but maybe my reflection on its effectiveness might have done very very good game and only just failed to to win it and then she lost two in about the result it's about and I'm sure he's well within his rights think her attitude behavior on-court for those three games he was referencing aw you know she was starting to act petulantly already and according to Nigel the way I thought she was really frustrated not to go up a double break oh game was fantastic they were both playing really well Piscopo was it really didn't think it was anything more than just frustration at the situation it's a shame in a way to be taking away from what was a really a fantastic match and look we got a football team from the Czech Republic Chanting Push Pervo we've got all of Simona match but she held it together at the end and she got the win but says come on and got it wrong before never ever remember thinking that but I did this time I think what I'm anticipating the Madrid Davis Cup finals to fail like with a they create quite a nice vibe in that stadium and just please L. and I think that can work against their when she's badly could almost like she's not trying but he's knocking over the time but today I felt she was her tennis was uplifting look it's difficult to know exactly of course but my sense was that right we've got that win this by blasting off the court for start so I think she was clear in our own mind of how everything even when it wasn't working in the second set she didn't back off she didn't start rallying playing tentatively middling the ball I think matt came up with with the lion on twitter into mind watching the way she was hitting the ball and the sound of the strings Oh yes it was like it was like normal descriptions weren't enough so you had to go to these slightly absurd federal match at the last eight member when it felt like he didn't have the strings in his racket Simona halep sees Nova will I tend to agree with you Catherine right and fair enough to have for that but yeah it'll be an interesting UNICEF italina plates Severe Kenan the other alternates today and eventually we'll have two hours for two sets and Kenan played really well she's got the most incredible dropshot she's still four to heart out I think that the must've been I suspected this was a really difficult balance that she had to strike I think she didn't want to because she had a chance to play tomorrow against Bancshares but I thought she was really good at in those moments as well and it studying the big question this tournament now well and looking really tough to tough to stop but I thought really good accounts for herself it was it was David Farrar ask when he when ad matches short of good matches necessarily but it felt like it needed a bit of a boost through to the semis. How's he done that he paid really really well sorry I believe he started the in nineteen in the world drop down to Vich tomorrow which is highly unlikely given their head to head although I do remember saying Jovovich Maureen but what a weird year what a weird this is come up with no way he lost round one in Beijing he lost into

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Speaking in Tongues (w/ David Wain)

R U Talkin' R.E.M. Re: ME?

1:52:32 hr | 4 months ago

Speaking in Tongues (w/ David Wain)

"Crown. Zimba. This is you talk and talking heads to my talking. The. Earth. Hence Event Encyclopedia compendium of all things talking heads. This is good. Rock and roll. Music. To the show very exciting show today we're GONNA be talking. About. The album speaking in tongue today. That's right. Speaking in tongues and we and we have a very special guest who's going to be joining us we have. Actor writer director. Actor writer, director? MS. Magician. D- other things. You know him as the director of Wet Hot American Summer David. Wayne will be joining us here. But before we get to that, I want to say that my name is Scott Ackerman. And, I have a co host who I want to introduce he is you know from parks and REC. You know him from the. Game Show. which is coincidentally what I said to myself when I thought of recording it. please. Welcome Adam Scott Hey. Hey. You able to talk at a normal level today. As you can hear I'm living loud and I'm living proud. Our last episode of towards the end there you had to suddenly Shush Yourself. So if that if that happens during this, we will, of course, tell everyone why will usually something going on in the next room when you have roommates US sometimes f you have roommates aren't you a successful actor It doesn't matter how successful you are. It's always always. Appropriate and. Cost. It's actually cost efficient, but it's also it's really easy on the pocket book if you have that's what cost efficiently. Now they're two separate things. If you have a roommate, it takes a little of the pressure off. Lightens the load. Let's think think of your pocketbook as a pressure valve. I always have, but I will continue to okay. Just continue that thought process I. Know as we were speaking, I could just see the wheels turning in your head you're like. Rashes made. He's made me think of my pocket book and now I'm thinking of it as a pressures of course, keep doing it. Okay. I'll press sure valves. As you know if you're a plumber interested in plumbing I know Alves They. Their main purpose is to take the pressure away from the main line. The main line with could with a name like pressure valve. When I hear that I think Oh, this is a valve that's supposed to add a lot of pressure to the mainland. Scott. It takes it away from they should call it a pressure less valve. This is what been saying for years I've been saying this for years you check the plumbing message boards, the gas, and what does that ask crack dot com or where where do we find those? Yeah Yeah it is. Dot Com backslash pressure valve controversy oh so they have a whole. Whole sister site or I, guess, it's a subset of their site devoted to the grass eight. That's right. Yeah. Oh, brother side. Yeah. Because it's all. Right. This is the problem. Yeah. Why all these websites get sisters can't. Anyway, any case so think of it as A. Pocket. As a pressure valve that's sort of absorbing pressure for the main line whether it be gas electric or or water electric not so much electric you. It's not. I mean I guess you could overload your electricity, but that's usually not the problem. I mean what with blackouts brownouts? What's next purple outs? Seriously So, having a roommate takes a little pressure off the pocket book. How many roommates do you have four? Four what of their names Stephen? Yeah. soder, soder. So that's a first name. That's right or did you say Stephen? Soda nodes just are you about to say Burg? Steven soderbergh. Is His brother you. Okay. So so soda Soderbergh that's right. So they're Stephen. And then his their other brothers named Burg. Okay. So it's Soder Soderbergh also Burg Soderbergh Soderbergh Okay and who's the fourth one. Bialy. Bialy. Yeah. Okay. That's not me on Bialik that this is someone totally different, right? It's actually her sister. Yali Bialik. Yeah and what is Stephen's last name soderbergh So you have the three center brothers there and are you leaving their house there Might not be roommates the this might be you just like crashing. Are You like out surfing with them? I'm squatting in their guesthouse know what happened to your marriage to your family everything crumbled. In between the last episode in this one. Yeah. So sorry a couple of days but yeah, I'm so sorry what happened? What did you do to fuck it up I'm assuming it's you but no I I actually I don't know but that's fine. You don't know because she didn't tell you or you don't know because you weren't willing to listen she. She wanted to tell me and I was like you know what? Don't worry about it I'm just GONNA go over to to To Sodas place at Soda Bergen and Stevens. Place. And we'll talk at some point. Okay. So you just cut her at some point be able to affiliate. So how did the conversation go because? I'm imagining she said hi I want a divorce new said. Okay and then she said, let me tell you why you said Nope I'm over I'm going over to Saudis. It started how those conversations usually start where I walked out I woke up a little late and I walked out into the kitchen in the morning later we thought about this. You know ten eleven. AM. That's right. And I walk out for breakfast in everyone's like? You know what? We're just wrapping up dinner. But. then. PM And I'm like. Well. I'm hungry and they said, okay no problem. What would you like and I'm like you know what I get it and I left. Okay. So they never they never even said. Okay Wow I'm sorry to you hate to hear about one of these. Hollywood couples breaking up, but I mean. Look fifty percent of all marriages end in divorce and fifty percent end in death. So you know there's just no winning that game. You never know really you never know which fifty you're gonNA get. We hope it's I mean I personally hope. that. I will never die. and. I hope that I will stay married until cooped is. Good Lord. Good Lord. This is a terrible terrible story but I'm glad you were able to find an internet hook up and get back on the show 'cause. It's GonNa. It's GONNA be. All right. All right. We have a big show I need you in the game here I need your, you know your mental space to be. Mental space hundred percent here. Okay. Prefer you at one, hundred, ten. But if you can only do it ten percent, we're ready to go. Okay. We're ready to go because we have a big guest here but before we get to him, I want to introduce myself. My name is Scott and I am the I'm the main host of you talking talking heads to my talking head and I also have a sidekick kind of like. Who are some of the famous sidekicks? Tattoo. Tattoo I you know he wasn't the first that came to mind but. As he Just. An indelible performance as Tattoo that captured. The imagination of the American public so much so that there were t shirts made of it. I I think I remember being in in Church when I was young someone. Arriving in a t shirt that said day plane de plane and we all just thought it was so funny like look at this guy he's got a t shirt that says plane day plame just like he says on the fantasy island show amazing that and what you talking about Willis. Time In. Between the plane to plane and what you talking about Willis. It was a time of catchphrases that made fun and celebrated the ways that certain ethnic groups. And substrates terrific time. Some might say that they became catchphrases because America. Liked to laugh at that type of thing. What do you think I think that's true. Can you imagine if? It was a non POC actor. Plane and he just had look boss the plane. Right? The plane would have ever taken off if he was not a talking about the lane wooded taken off, no, it never would have left the airport. And if he was not a little person either, well, that's the part that we don't like to talk about is just a man walking up to a white man walking up to Mr Work and saying, Hey, the planes, the planes here I although I will say the fact that. Air. Was a little person made it unique and maybe we paid attention to it a little more I don't think that had any bearing on the popularity of deploying to plane I. Think it was all just the way he spoke. You WanNa you WANNA. Make a bad on this. Yeah. I WanNa make a bet on this you know me. What what kind of odds? How can you look up and pin? Okay. But what kind of odds are you giving me? I'm giving you. Let's see I'll give you ten to one. Ten to one so. So I'm going to, bet. A million dollars. Okay. All right and put on I. Get ten, million if. I'm right. That's fine and you get a million if you're right. Was the plane popular. because. Of the. GNOME nomenclature. Are. Who are you asking by the way? Is the Internet? Oh, the okay. For. The. Height. Of said, nomenclature speaker. How many? How many by the way if that was in quotes? I can only imagine how many. Google entries you would get but how many came back after that Well the first one is a New York Times article from two thousand nine that says speakers playing becomes point of criticism I. Don't think that's what although I don't know I would suggest we read that article in full. And Put it up on the see if anything comes up yeah, we'll. We'll make it a link, but I think, and by the way I don't know whether this is an episode or not but I think we were talking about famous sidekicks. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was an episode of famous sidekicks pro so it had no. Theme Song it had no welcome to the show or anything like that. He was just an episode that's sort of one of the signature moves of that particular podcast is that they they just sneak it and there's no themes on. A. Just, happens. I can only imagine what the theme song would have been sidekicks. I. Wonder What it is. Let's see. Let me Let me think about this one second maybe. RANCID side kick the songs sidekick by Ranjit. Do you want to hear a little bit of that just? You don't like rancid. I I don't think. I have any I. Don't think I ever cared. As. Two thousand era. PUNK rock. Groups go. Bad, I think heavily influenced by the clash and uses. A lot of sky and. Other. Types of interesting. My God. Appears as soon as. that. Terms. Of Chechen. Cha. Cha. Cha Cha Cha. But yeah as far as famous sidekicks go. Robin. Tell you robin. You Got Robin. He's the first one that comes to mind for me but Texas is a great one to two is a great one. Odd I I assume you're. Talking about. Audrey Tattoo. Do from Ali from all Malays, the sidekick of that other person in the film. Interest. I think anytime woman is in a film she's the sidekick. Nearest male. and not the not the male with the most lines just whoever is physically nearest? Yes. Absolutely. Oh have you watched central park yet? I haven't it's been out for a few months. Not of as of this recording, but when you're hearing this but why why is there a sidekick there? No, I have not seen it. Yet I I'm excited though. Up in the middle of the sheets I, just as I was growing to find out about dead to there's an ad for Central Park. So let me. And I hate to discipline you here in front of the. Please do. This show isn't. Any dumb thing that pops into Adams head it's you talking talking heads to my talking head. Okay. Anything we talk about has to be talking heads related. You know what? Scott you're right I know I'm right and that's why I'm saying it and you just saying. You're right is infuriating me even further because you're is this an episode of you're right? I think it is. Everyone. Welcome to you. Right. This has got this is got and you know we have a motto here on the show when you're right. You're right. I was supposed to say that I was pausing here, right? Sorry. When you're right? You're right. Yeah I'm again. Sorry dramatically. Have you ever seen a shakespeare play. There's dramatic pauses all over the fucking place in those King Lear King Lear King of the pause is solemn I. saw a wonderful production of King Lear where the entire show was one dramatic pause. was canceled that night. It's because they didn't go up and I was the only one. There didn't know that they've been canceled and I. It was a big mistake but. In the moment I thought this really works who are you supposed to root for in that King Lear show you know they're all they're all acting silly. Aren't they will the one time I went to see the nothing happened. There was nothing you don't even know the plot. By Good good APP of you're right? Yeah. Has Promise has potential really does. But. Other other famous sidekicks I'm having a hard time stop talking about this thinking of any beyond Robin and two. There's the classic sidekick. From. From one of the I'll go I'll give you a hint. I don't want to give just a little. GimMe Tastes Gimme let me. A million dollars? who was paid a million dollars to be in a movie Jim Carey. That was when he million dollars for them he gave you give you. Know van now. Okay. You make me Honi Bay yeah baby okay. Who makes me Horny well, let's see. Certainly Denise Richards and wild things. Of course I don't think I've ever been horny though in a movie. other than that while I was Horny when I shot Austin Powers Goldmember as in my role as young Michael Caine I was horny the entire day on the set there. Can Connect Yellow in another hint at you. Okay on. The movie that you were just talking about wild things. Great Bill Performance Rah but. And a sharp sharp script kind of a neo noir. I would say wait a minute is this I love films it certainly is. Welcomed I. Love Films. This is Scott and this is Scott and we're talking to say about film. We love films we the he'll love them films. I would in the Fuck Mary. Kill. Of, television. Songs and films. No question no question. I'm just GONNA. Fuck Marianne kill films. One, hundred percent. The move, the the film you were talking about wild thing and things. Good. Is a wonderful film and directed by I don't even know Marty Scorsese a sure. Say. It. Was Who knows. No the the man directed Wild thing in. He directed Henry Portrait of serial killer. I'm not sure if you saw that film or Maya's another wonderful Phil also too scary and I think neo noir you're really onto something there something you mentioned on a on a different episode of a of a different podcast but I Your edging in on where wild things falls as far as. Jan Rutta categorically I think another great new new are the Matrix that whole trilogy yeah. Neo is all over the neo and his buddies tank remember tank from the first one that he doesn't show up again character best care. Hey Tank With a whole controversy like tank was like, Hey man, why am I not in the to? Watching it. I watched one into right next to each other the other day and I'm like. You. Get. US, invested in these great characters like tank and then suddenly a number two starts in, it's just fucking nuts. There's like people all under the ground. And essentially like neo his ghosted tank. Like. Neo Neo touches down. Under the ground, all these human he wakes up all these humans and then he's like a tank like starts calling him going like, Hey, buddy you wanna hang out you want to go do some Kung Fu in the matrix or something he's like I would but I'm just so busy with the revolution. Did you really just watch matrix one and two I did and how does number two? Is it your favorite number two? NEW NUMBER TWO Number. Two, the freeway chase is pretty good and everything else is just a not great. Yeah, and then I remember three being even just yeah. All I remember of number three is being incredibly bored and then one of the characters getting into a giant lake. While speaking of tanks it, it almost seemed like a an armored tank or something like shooting a gun at people or something I was just like this is not what I go see the Matrix for like none of it was spent in the Matrix. As I recall I, don't remember it but I remember to being pretty disappointing and confusing. And corny that number to add some corn it did it had whole pieces of corn. All? Right we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Oh Man Those. Does that sign off. Of the host was drinking. Some water a really it was like juggle luggage. So. But. Yeah. We'll never think of another sidekick. No, there aren't any more. Well, that's the thing. Yeah, and you're right wild things. That's the movie I was trying to. Yeah. We are, of course talking talking heads today and we're talking about the double platinum album speaking in tongues and you know when you think about doubles. What do we got? What are some of your favorite doubles? You know like John McEnroe and. Who is he married to? Kerr is Shriver Not Maria. Shriver? He was married to Maria Shriver. John McEnroe, he played the Terminator. He was governor the governator. The governator John McEnroe. John McEnroe was married to. I. Feel like. Like an actress yet actually I'm cheating. It's what's your name Moni. Tatum O'Neal and then he married. Patti. Smith. Not the Patti Smith that. purloined Bano and Michael Stipe at that a party we were at after. The Youtube show in Madison Square Garden but Patti Smith with a Y. From the band scandal. I believe yeah. No I was a guest on the John McEnroe show in two thousand four. Okay, yet he had a talk show on. Like CNBC or something and I was a guest on the show and it was the day they got cancelled. But they had to keep making shows for another week or something and. People just sort of not showing up for work because the show is just didn't even show up, you want to get paid. There is someone who just kind of pointed where I should stand and then sort of like Babe Ruth Yeah and then when it was time to go out when he called my name I didn't even know where to go because there was no one back there like telling me it was crazy and you're stupid and I'm very dumb. I can't imagine. You're there on a TV set. John Monroe is it's a talk show. I would guess, and then you don't know where to go just go head towards John McEnroe not because I was behind I was behind a series of curtains and it okay. We'll go through the curtains look at John McEnroe and make a beeline to. Of. Tell my John McEnroe story before you get into that I was on a plane with him recently in the last two years I would say that's reason for me. and. We we were on the tarmac after landing for. An hour hour and a half something like that. It was a longtime. And He I think he like he was arguing with the flight attendants about being able to be let out. Of the plane and then the the minute they kinda opened the doors he like just burst through them and people are like you can't do that servings like who cares. And I was like, well, that's classic John McEnroe. I'm gained to witness it right here his famous temper, his Renault Elliot's. Not to you and John McEnroe known for your tempers. High high stress. Tempers that W- that are hot as a pistol. Both of us just man those pistols they get. So hot pistols get up to like six hundred and fifty degrees sometimes yet every every single time you fire one multiple times. That's a thing when people watch movies like the aforementioned neo noir, the Matrix the Matrix revolutions. Or any movie that has a gun. People don't realize that these actors are doing such amazing work holding on to these incredibly hot pistols. Yeah. Because also when you're filming and you have a pistol they the master has them on a griddle. Right off camera and handsome to you, and they're piping with barbecue tongs. So hot and then they're like, okay, you know and then you have to. have to pretend like they're icy cold. That's the other thing anytime you watch these movies, people are always going like. This gun. So Colt ooh freezing freezing. This gun is so just chilling me to the bone, but they're actually hot now. That's that's worthy. Acting comes in you have to act like it's. Unbearably, but it's actually unbearably cold. Wait no, it's the reverse. Isn't it? No, you have to act like it's unbearably cold, but it's actually unbearably hot. There you go. There you go. All right. We have to take a break. When we come back, we're going to have David Wayne. We'll be here with us and we'll be talking about. The. Incredible albums speaking in tongues. We will be right back with you talking talking heads to my talking head right after this. Starting September fifteenth Spanish it present celebrating Lat next heritage month as AP is going to be highlighting some of these amazing exciting guests that are also latter next, we are going to kick it off with the first Disney princess amy all that's right and we have show under one day at time Gloria. Calderon Kellet and show a that Tanya sort actual. Yeah and also we picked the super bad ass Latina Patty Delgado who has a Latina? Company. Called tomorrow. That's right and we were also feature amazing poet Yesica go and some other very exciting guests see. Yeah. All of that and more on Spanish Iq presents big things. Big thing starting September fifteenth knowledge. Welcome back. You talking talking to my talking head. And Adam are you excited? I really am I really. Really. Really. Am I'm excited for the same reason I'm excited or are you just generally excited I'm excited for several different reasons. One of them is the reason you're excited. Okay. What are the ones that are not the reason that I'm excited? Well, the other ones are all general. So, you could put them in a series of buckets. Union? That's. The with buckets or yeah. Of course of course, I love it and I'm using it right now buckets you ever see that movie the bucket. The bucket list the bucket sire. Yeah. The bucket. Yes. Oh the bucket list that's also excellent. Isn't that Jack Nicholson's final. No? No. No. It's that one that he did with Rudd. That? was later wasn't it? No let's look it up. Let's get Outta. Here we go. Is this an episode of look it up? It's either that or I love films. I'm not really sure. Until we find out. We can't. We can't go into it but his final appearance is, how do you know three years after the bucket list? So you can't call it final. Do, you think he's ever going to make some meals maybe who knows if he did it would be with our guest today I can only assume because our guest today. Is An amazing director. He's an amazing writer. He's. An actor. He's God. He's what else what else are you? You're you're a magician you're you're literally doing card tricks as. You are all of these things. and. He's been on our previous shows. Please welcome back to our podcast. David Wayne Hello I the great to be here. Hello guys listen. Hi there and. I wish I could tell you a little bit of insight Info I have on a production that Jack. Nicholson will be involved in that I am. Directing. News this is incredible. You're directing this a project that. Is Stars Jack. Nicholson and one Tom Cruise that I am directing. I have always wanted to see that pairing that is incredible but are you making lions for lambs? Again it's a legal situation you remaking. Of Money I. To I wish I could talk about it more. It is not something talking about a little bit more though at I mean there is a certain producer who does happen to have the name Steven Spielberg. He's even Spielberg. I cannot get into that at this time unfortunately, for Betty Steven Spielberg Reasons Steve I think it is I think it's that same Steven Spielberg who conveyed. World honest. I'd always Oh my favorites. And it is a script. That was written by Paul F Tompkins. Just up that in their YEP. Okay. So this is this is a pairing. I've always wanted to see Paula Tompkins Tom Cruise Jack Nicholson, and. That's what Steve. Steve Wanted Oh. writable. Well, welcome to the show. Thank you much for? Glossy right off the bat. Yeah I mean it's Feel like it's a lateral move for Paul well, as it happened, I have A. Moment. Time Chunk Today A. Shooting Oh. Okay. So you're doing this in between. Cut An action. We got you on a break in Europe. I'm on a little bit of a you were on a broom. Just. Perfect perfect. It's I'm actually on a seven month break at the moment. So this. Is a longer break. Yeah. So you could fit this hour in. At any point during this. I'M NOT GONNA. Play that Gotcha game. Okay. This is not got your journalism. We're we do not. Access journalism we can go back and forth all day long on that and I'm not I'm not going to play that game. Let's go back and forth for. A minute on. All right. I'm not I. I could have made an appointment anytime but I'm not gonna not. GonNa play that game you didn't even make an appointment with us. We had to chase you down to do. Yeah. But I did I argue gear pretending like this is like going to see the doctor or something if I tried to make an appointment on your website, but then I got confused with the logging also, it was not hard making an appointment with you. We just reached out or Scott reached out and literally you you're so thirsty that you texted back I think before I even hit send you a man. Let me tell you something I've heard on the streets years ago and I've always known it to be true in Hollywood. Scott. And tells you to jump to your question is how high and move on? Wow. That's usually the answer to my question. What's my favorite method? Man Project but? Instead. It's. Me Ask you jump telling you to jump I. Guess I think I. Think Scott. This is definitely has been episode of. I. Love Films. Is. Or was it. I didn't I thought it was a movie strange. To not have a theme song or an introduction just kind of dropped us into the middle of a conversation but e you know those guys that's what they do on. There are shows that don't have theme. Songs Your David. There's Minutes the Rachel Maddow show this is this is the theme song to the Rachel Maddow. Show. Ready, here we go. Yeah. That's the to the racial manager. They they did did you ever hear the original theme song? They rejected Oh? What was it? It was she's a great gal. She likes to talk about what's going on in the world. It's Rachel. Is this where she was like outside spinning around at throwing her hat in the air. That's correct. Interest. So you saw it you were you were in the Pie I saw that on Youtube I think well, I wasn't part of the pilot in the sense of I, watch it on Youtube I guess anyone watching is part of something. Of My friends audition for that pilot Rachel got you are by the way David, taking a sip of water as if you have nothing more to do on the show like you scored so hard. You now you're just like, let me take a sip of this. I like to sit back and just let the spoils. To the victor, go them just real quick I can't decide which I like more. You're both of those theme songs played back to back okay. Yeah you do yours first David. Wright. She's a great Gal. She likes to talk about things going on in the world. It's Rachel. What do you think they're building? It Up Watch. Did I just wondering which is longer I have a stop watch that usually use for my One hundred meter races. She's a great Gal. She loves to do things going on New Orleans Rachel And then here's this one. David Yours is longer. Oh Man God. Damn it I, lost another one another another doesn't mean houses. My. Boy David. It's so good to see you. Thank you so much for jumping on here talking about this band in particular you have your fingers in so many different pies you the wet hot American summer. Movie The wet, Hot American summer television show, children's hospital. You undoubtedly had something to do with medical police year. You're constantly in there in the world of show business I do wonder how you ever also the most watched thing that I've done in my career to date is the recent Paul Rudd where a mask public service. Oh, what did you have to do with that I helped put it all together in terms of the what. Does that mean I edited and did the music and graphics in the background Terry Funny All right congratulations. So that's the most thing you've ever done. So you you you're a guy who has it all going on in show business. So so many questions come to mind for me and Adam Adam and I actually got onto a an earlier zoom about an hour ago to try to figure out exactly what we want to ask you about and. Really when you boil it down at the end of the day Just in a nutshell what we really Start but just totally bottom. Colon Dr exactly what what what we really want to make. Our first question is, when did you first hear of talking heads? Well okay. As far as talking heads. I. Mean I grew up in Ohio in. CLEVELAND YOU KNOW SO I. I was a suburban kid shake. When was this? When was this? This was I was born right at the end of the sixties sixty nine. Sixty nine, zoom high five. By the way I know I don't know what you guys are referring to, but sixty nine does refer to like. Like I'm doing it to her and she's doing to me. Doing what? Okay I can't say it too loud because who messes around who who's WHO's around. It's like I'm servicing our downstairs and then she's like Dylan the same thing to me downstairs. You have two houses, two stories in your house I go downstairs can I five? T. And then she comes out and gives me like hot chocolate. Is that what upstairs downstairs is referring to on pbs you get it Oh my God that is so awesome. So you're you're Cleveland Ohio I grew up there in Cleveland. So I'm like a kid in in school and I'm I'm. Running around down to Coventry don't record stores I have friends I I you know. Playing Pool sometimes biking around you know like a kid. But I'm I'M I'm in Cleveland Ohio, I'm listening Cleveland bands the Michael Stanley. Band. All through my teens and twenties and thirties. I LISTENED EXCLUSIVELY TO CLEVELAND CLEVELAND? Beds. We run them down. Michael Stanley Band Michael. Stanley band I mean I could go on from there. How we were going to go on for. Let's can too many too many deletes. You. Michael. Stanley band comes to mind for example. So, then in through the ninety s I'm out of college. And then you know making my way, can you hold on one second David Hold on a second ad? Talk to you for a second. Sure. Did I ask David to give us his autobiography. Well. No No, you didn't. But. I. I also feel like if if you don't mind me saying Yeah Scott. Do you mind me saying no I. Don't mind. No please. You could say anything if you don't mind me saying it, he also skipped he. You talking about Michael Stanley. Band. And then suddenly were in the nineties I. I don't I don't see the logical progression between those two is far as. Life stories go this is. Inconsistent by were reading an autobiography like this, I would throw it into the trash and peon it, and then set it on fire, and then it put out the fire. Because I don't want there to be fire in a trash. Can you know what am I a Hobo singing on a street corner? Also I don't WanNa smell what it smells like when there's P. mixed with European mixed with fire. Your, European mix with fire, I've smelled that plenty of times plenty of times and it's gross. How do we get him back on track? Well, I think with David there's a particular way particular magic you have to work and doing the dog with a bone or something we got lead him to it. So that's right like snacks like treats trinkets. Let's try the streets Hey David David. Come you guys. Hey, Hey, do you see this? We got a little treat for you. Oh Can I have it? Here, you know own. Thank you. Yeah. So tell us about talking heads I really was getting to that. It was this was me answering your question? You said William. Complaining or anything to you conversation I'm not. GonNa say overheard it but a friend of mine who works with the show. In, a little bit. On some of the not not nothing that you that was private but just gave me a couple of of a headlines bullet-point. Capital. You know. Like a ten page just quick. Fifteen. Eight he typed up ten to fifteen raced some of it though there was. There was some of it was like Charles. How big? How big is the font? Well, sometimes, there was a chapter heading that had like an illustration on it. So then it was only. Three quarters of a yeah. Okay. I get it. So it's like six pages. Yeah. That's a reasonable pages of text. So into into the nineties, I'm making my way and then I didn't move out Tilt Los Angeles California until two, twenty, thirteen, twenty, two, thousand, and thirteen this. Happened in between the ninth. Twenty. Thirteen. And in the eighties to anyway. So then in March of twenty twenty. It's All right we're talking now we've jumped see just a couple of months ago. Seven year late, what am I going to do for you with all the play by play? Well you I mean Okay Okay March of twenty twenty twenty. Twenty. March of two thousand twenty as we all know we got hit with a with a pandemic which certainly the quarantine lockdown kind of. We know that sure yeah. A lot of people get their news from this podcast. Appreciate you covering and here we are. It's September of two, thousand and twenty. Wait. Wait why did we stop it? March at all. And I got word on text. It was like, Hey, come. Let's talk about talking heads and then I started to really notice disband. So Great. You know you you you. You hadn't heard of talking heads before we textile. or it's not a, it's not a don't WanNa get into our though what's the definition of is is that business? Rose, they were hiding in plain sight. Yeah I mean it's it's basically that I'm starting to like at this point really get this into the forefront of my cortex. These are these guys. These are the and. Yeah Yeah. So so Okay. Great. So you. I mean. Can you can you remember? The first time that you there was ever any passing mention of them that maybe. Sort of lagged your interest or so okay I. Remember there was a time had to be. It's probably. August maybe September twenty twenty and I remember I was looking at. wikipedia. Probably, not long after you guys had got in touch. Sounds like Or maybe the same day. and. Then you know because I always thought as most people do like talking heads you hear talking head you're like, oh, the people who speak on news shows or whatever right and now now under name. Yeah. Now I, feel like there's this whole other. Way that you could. You know another thing that it refers to which the. Sure for the last like forty years, five years or so. Yeah, I almost don't seem that way. feels. That way. In some ways I know obviously you're you're joking or exaggerating, but it does seem like they've been around for a long time. They have. Yeah. Got It. have. You ever heard of talking heads, Song? WHO HASN'T I mean? This is these these are these are icons of modern music. The the that's Ross will between funk and art. Can we hold him to just a yes or no answer on this question is that? I'm not okay. I'm not. GonNa I'm not GonNa let you get into that whole Gotcha thing. You seem very concerned with God you're dying for me to like just give you a yes no but that that's the wrong question and the context and kicking me out of context. But you know that like we're friends and we're not trying to corner you. And get you to say something you. You will regret later it seems like you're gonNA whatever I say you're just GonNa, clip it out and then put that on twitter probably GonNa make clips of this episode. Yeah, and make them available to sort of promote it if that's talking about it, Hey, listen I've seen your wealth and how it all works over. And it's not pretty and you don't want. You don't want me to go there. I apologize is just like on this show we sometimes. How we you know a song that we I heard that made us a fan of the band, right? Okay. You want me to start get into what have seen that the wealth office. Great. Okay. As you've laid down the gauntlet. Go Ahead I. I have nothing to hide I'm not the one green. Nothing to hide except for that one when I first came to podcasts there years ago you were taking a p right on the floor because he said Oh I, don't have time to go the bathroom. Well I'm busy it was busy being a podcast Case? Days that's really disgusting I'm saying I don't think I'm ever GONNA come to the office again either. I don't think any of US GOING GONNA come to the Office for another year so. Have, you ever had. Have you guys even? Stepped into the minefield mind fuck that the lead singer David. Byrne shares the first name with me. We've only known him as Mr Burn. So I I never really realized that he had he even added first name. No, either so wait. Yeah who does he share? First name with me David. So it's like if you said, let's talk about David Today. Could go any. How. Does the direction of the sharing it work? Does he get it like six months out of the year and you get to the other six? Is like the Stanley Cup where whoever did the best in show business? That year gets it for a year or WH-? What's it like? the the second thing he said is what it is the Stanley Cup whoever did the best in show business? That year gets it? Okay. So I can I can only imagine ten to always get it. For the last couple of years but he does Broadway show this past that. Disappeared before then. So yeah. So I thought I'd nicer imagine. You've been kicking his ass since the early nineties around like the late two, thousand, eight, two, thousand, nine when role models came out I had it for six months. His role models the your biggest hit. Financially speak. Another one of those role models. Or something like that's a big hit. Well my dad. I'd like to be. Why don't you make another big hit movie? Will you promise me David that if your father and I don't want this to happen but if your father ever passes away that I can be your dad, I can adopt you. I would love that. Honestly. I. Would marry your mother in a heartbeat. My father, all growing up with David doesn't Woody Allen, need an assistant director. And like really shift. Away with. When John Stewart retired from the daily show every comedian in the world got a text from their mom or Dad Ray. What about you? To. Joe I got with out. I could do it. Yeah. I would probably be pretty good. So. David. So it sounds like you don't have much history of talking heads about we're GONNA be talking about their their record speaking in tongues. Today. Just a great record to have any sort of history about speaking in tongues. Yeah. Well I mean it would speak in tongues. This is talking heads as we all know going from being a four piece band to pass the baton to other musicians near the opened up their personnel. So that's a big deal. I understand that metaphor but Okay. When you have have, you heard the Olympics. Have I heard them. Yeah. I listen to them every four years so When you listen the Olympics, you know that on the One hundred meter relay they have the baton that one runner passes to the they're always talking about it but I've never been able to picture it my mind well now see I'm glad to have now completed that picture for you. You did. Wait is still don't know what a bit. So all right have you seen a peanuts? Have, a penis. I've I've seen four inches of one. Does that count? All right. All right. I don't know if I get it. I. Looked at twice. Think of it as a penis with head on two sides. Oh to a friend. And you give it to a friend and that there's like. A chopstick in between that makes it stir sturdy. I get it. Thank you Davis Dirty. Penis double. In between can give to a friend. This is this is the metaphor they used to train, Olympians right. So this is what this album is like. Well, this is great I am so excited to talk to you about this record. But I do have to ask last time you're on the show. You brought some fun audio songs that you did you. Do you have anything else like that? For I, tried something this is in. Tribute to speaking tongues as we know the biggest in tribute to this. Okay. So this is related to this. Do we do we need to contact talking heads that there's this incredible tribute? That's the question for my lawyer if you don't mind or my publicist okay. Are they also person? They're both the my nanny. Also children's nanny. So. Now. This is. My sort of other version of burning down the house may not. Rise. To, the heights of. Visit remix this is a remix. Mix here. Let's see how this came out. Now there's exciting. You remember this opening. Why? Geneva. It's like if you went to see heads in and he David Byrne had just lost some cut mission they're. Just. Couldn't hear the. All right. We have to take a break. Do you mind? Do you mind playing more of that while we go to break is that we go into break All right. We'll be right back with more you're talking talking talking after this. Welcome back you talking heads, the mytalk and head. And, we are here with David Wayne. Who is talking heads superfan. Over here, I gotta to say you know all bets aside nobody groups like this been they are the best. Thank you. I was I was hoping you would check in with us about grooves. And we finally got your stance on them. My father was in the radio business and they always said, you know you can do a lot of promotion. You can do a Lotta Paola but it's if it's not in the grooves, it's not going to be a yeah well that that may come up on this strangely enough that subject may come up when we talk about this record. All right. Let's get to the record speaking in tongues. Let's. Get some of the facts out of the way this came out June first nineteen, eighty three. Let's get do some housekeeping. The vitals going like housekeeping. Housekeeping. So June first nineteen eighty-three David, what are you doing in your life in nineteen, eighty, three or fourteen or thirteen years old I was just starting my second startup. What? And this was a energy bar guy that I founded in what was this called? This was called. Power Cock. She our. Citizens. Z-bar shaped like, no, no, no. Oh God. Are you thinking like the peanut thing? It's like you know you got your gun cocked for power mild okay I. Guess. SHAPE OF -nology it's still. Oh okay. Yeah. I'm not like guns ammo kind of guy I haven't heard A. Pistol cocked for power guys can I just come clean second please. I I wasn't doing that there was no startup. The whole thing is fictional. Wait you weren't. Selling energy burst shaped like guns that were called power. I not only was I not selling them. I don't even think they were any. Didn't exist you bars called power cock. Just. I was thirteen years old and I was. In Middle School, I guess and I. Were you into like was burning down the house a big deal and you were like a yes. Well, because MTV was relatively new still and I watched all day long and when that video came on I think I. had already had the video for same Zubaydah was in that and so I was a chairman of snow lifetime yeah. Okay. Yeah. So this when this record came out burning down, the house was is their only top ten hit. This broke through the Cleveland consciousness. Well I. Actually as I mentioned my father in the radio business I had like the the sort of cool deluxe. Oh, you had the we'll talk about the cover real. You want. Okay. The one that won the grammy. Yeah. Well, let's let's talk about because the cover of the record kind of plays into the story of the record. When we last left off the band had all gone solo to varying degrees of success. The Tom Tom Club obviously genius of Love was the big hit. So, not a lot of drama with this record I have to say they're not a lot of interesting stories Basically they decide they don't need old sour us anymore. Brian Eno that was a dramatic though that was that partying wasn't particularly smooth right? Well, they say they all I can. The only information that I can get is basically they say that he was just too expensive and too demanding and that he would want he wanted to fly on the concord and expected talking heads to pay for that. Also. Listed as a member of the group that was in the previous record in two episodes ago. But it basically, they just were like God Dan this guy, and then this is a weird fact that I read. He's also obsessed with high finance at the time where he gets up every morning and like sift through the business section looking for stocks to invest in it's not that weird because hi fi has to do with music. It makes sense you're right. I? Never thought about that. so they decide. Let's kick to duck curb as they say. And just to go back to one thing. Think. About at the time no one really talk much about Wi fi. And yet I think as Adam it doesn't exist at the time. So just that's its own. That's it's own thing. Yeah. So why finance no one is talking about that at the time why not? Well, that's what people are saying why fi nance and he's legs 'cause I find it interesting. So they talked to Tony Visconti who is David Bowie's producer and he said. Hey. What if you produced the record he says, you don't need a producer you just need a good engineer. You guys should just produce it yourself. So that's what they decide to do. So they whatever they did. It worked it worked because their top ten single is on this record they fly down to the Bahamas. Mister Burns doesn't show up. And so they call up Twyla Tharp who Mister Burns has been dating and they say, Hey, where's Mr? Burns. TWYLA tharp says well, isn't he with you? What none of them know he's off with his future wife because he met her in Japan and decided to go hang out with her and break up with Twyla tharp and she doesn't know that yet. That's a fun way of breaking up with someone. Just, not show up in the Bahamas with do they record this in the Bahamas they did I believe they did basic tracks in New York and then went down to the Bahamas. That's. At the compass point recording studio yeah, it was a compass point. Yeah. You know that we the State, the state we recorded year round. Right how how did you know that I got a copy of that record and I lost it and? I have a regretted it every year ever since I can send you I knew that to for some reason I feel like you or Marino told now why did you end up down there? Yeah. Experience basically right as we were. At the height of the state, we got an offer to make a record from Warner Brothers And WBZ gave us this budget to make the records home of the Harry Potter. Exactly the boy. Batman and Robin, goes there I'm Batman also Robin Yeah. That's a good point. Let's let's I. Don't want that to slip by the joker to like all the riddler, all the characters Penguin cat-woman. What about Dr Freeze? Its MR freeze I don't think he got his doctorate. I know. But what about Dr Oh? We had by the way speaking of sketch groups. We had dean Osama Coppola's had this. Idea and then I wrote several drafts of it for Mister Show about Dr, Jekyll, and Mr Jackal. which was essentially that you guys did a version of that, I feel I mean that sounds great minds we had to be literally that same premise. So basically I, I wrote a musical version over that was based on the JEKYLL and Hyde musical at the time. And one verge one draft I wrote he basically like drank a potion fell down behind his desk and then you see his doctorate on a frame on the wall disappear fadeaway. then. He's stupid. Essentially I think one of the lyrics was he's referring to the potion. I would rather have this bottle in front of me then perform a frontal lobotomy. That's awesome. What version did you guys do I literally through the magic of computers I am pulling up the script written in the nineties. Incredible. But it'll take a bit. So I'll get back to it. You have all your old state I have a lot. I have most everything, right? I think that everything what would happen to us is like I would write something on a work computer and then never take the files home and then three computers they're all on strange like discs and stuff like that. I have never updated them. So like all my scripts are all gone. Well and a lot of what your? I wrote a lot of things on software that no longer exists especially this this program called right now. Oh Yeah it's. It's not even you can't do anything with it. We had a program it was called first draft. Which is lying? I mean final drafts that's where you want to get to. But like everything on first draft was just like they would just go ahead. It's good. Enough was right now screenwriting software. No it was just a word processor and by the way there was also another one called. Script wears I mean. At MTV when I worked at MTV in the late eighties, they had a wing system which was a bunch of network computers called a wing and you would just Wang it out they would say and it was they were all like these weird black and white bazaar black and white wings. Yes you wait a minute here. It is so when was this written? This was had to be somewhere like ninety one or something ninety-one. Wow. My my my versions were all at ninety seven I believe. So listen. We can lawyer. Later. And you're getting. A movie trailer, how'd you? Have you read this since one thousand, nine, hundred one do you think? No definitely not okay. Let's hear I actually as I said this. I would like did I write that? Did that happen or would I make that up now I see that there is something here. So movie trailer Jackie Walks into the lab he was man of Science Good Morning Dr Jekyll good, morning Tim but he tampered with the forces of nature chuckles in his lab. He think all scheduled with people saying good morning to each other don't you think? It takes a potion turns around screaming with voice hands over his face. Title Voiceover Dr Jekyll and Mr Jekyll Day respected ear nose and throat. Manta. Mount Sinai. Thanks Dr Jekyll no problem to me by ninety transforms into Mr. Jekyll. Nada Dr Not Dr Jekyll but Mr Jekyll townspeople screaming torches stop that man. He has no medical degree stop in La Blah. Blah. That's crazy that we both wrote the sketch. That's why we're friends. Yeah. I really funny and there there is no possible way that the idea was. Shared between US her. Because I Knew each other before or even heard of each other before then. Crossover was I remember I. I don't know if I ever tell you we. When we were doing the state we went down the street to a theater near times, square a little underground theater to see cross comedy Oh. We sat there as the cocky jerks that we were like in the front row with our arms crossed. Slinging drugs comedy. and. Then we were like those rust. This is concerned and then we watch. Pretty good. Was that David just doing standup? No. It was like, yeah. Well, the sketch no sketch. It was like his whole sketch group that. John. Ennis Oh and Ross a not Ross Perot. There's some really funny finish can finish the sketch again. I'm not a doctor at the moment anyway. So here's the point. Yes. So tell us about come compass point speaking I'm GonNa Guess. Air Okay they'll end maybe that's funny and you cut it out Dr Jekyll Mister Edsall Sometimes Eagles deductor. It's guy without a doctorate degree. Oh no right to practice. Not even board-certified remember the thing I said about the guy. We never shot that one. You guys think that there are a lot of comedy writers out there who have an early. Dr Jekyll and Mr. Jekyll wonder if there's anyone else I mean. That would happen constantly at least where I would write or I would pitch sketch and odenkirk would go. Yeah, I mean that's a pretty common pitch every young comedy writer pitches and make me feel embarrassed. But so so I wonder if this is one of the I wonder if this is one of those. Data always it was always been grant saying like This obscure British TV show did that in nine, hundred and sixty four. God Damn it. Now it's just the simpsons. The Simpsons did it. That's the season's hit or family guy have probably done every joke. I think we hold a production on sketch once because someone heard a rumor that something like it was on in living color once we. Stopped everything. This is before you could just like look up anything online will I know? They have a staff at the simpsons who just keeps track of them now repeating themselves interest I bet can you imagine how hard that? We have writers that weren't even born right when the Simpson started. Tell us about compass point David. So the state was doing a record that we were offered the chance to make a record for one brothers and the Harry Potter budget et Cetera. So they they said, you know you here's a budget to like go for six weeks or something into studio to record stuff and we're like, let's do it. Let's put all into going for one week but we'll go to the Bahamas and we'll get a great place to stay and we'll do it at compass point and that's what we did. We were there completely by ourselves it was like being you know supervision and no. We. went to the beach in hung around and got drunk and partied all day and then like at midnight every night when studio and just did whatever came out and. Just like it. Just like improvisers I recall listening to it. It was all just kind of like yeah. I think there's some really funny things on it but I in between some really master batory things but it's worth. It sounds familiar. It's called comedy. Can You Show. was. It was a precursor to the party. Guess. It would have been great for one episode and. If that would have been in. Out of it exactly. I believe if you go to the hyphen state DOT COM, I'm just checking right now. You can listen to it. Well, please send me a copy and I only care about myself listening to it. So here in our listeners listening to it, I wanNA hear it myself. Oh. No, you can just buy it on Amazon during. I'd rather, you just sent it to me for free. That's cool. I'm cool. Okay, Great. So yes. This was done at compass point. Bahamas. Getting back just for those into the talking Hey, speaking in tongues, which is the topic of today's if so they're producing it themselves and. They get a few guest musicians in there. Now there's a guy wally bought a Roo. Who is very important to this because he played synthesizer on most of the record and in fact? Kind of. They say cemented the the sound of the record or cemented the songs that he doesn't get a writing credit or anything but they kind of say like Oh. Yeah he cemented several of the songs they actually loved him so much. They wanted him to produce the next album which he did he did not do so I wonder what happened with that They say continue producing themselves from here on out. I don't know I haven't looked that far ahead but we will definitely find out that as the show goes down the road a little bit while. Still active to this day, is he now? He's sixty five years old and that's not great. That's not old. No. INCH CLOSER TO IT while. He bought a room. Oh, what a great name So George Harrison. Chris Farts mentions in his book George. Harrison is going through a rough patch during the recording, not enjoying it and apparently needs Rehab. And I mean you're going look dude it's been a beadle. You know since. He was a teenager not only that but by this time he'd had a few solo hits some solo hits he he may be in the middle of his lawsuit about my sweet Lord. Got A lot going on. So you know we can only assume that with his side Gig, here with talking heads that you know. What my point is low pressure. Yes. Exactly. A lot of pressure. So back to your point about the cover David you have one of these covers is really interesting I did yeah, I think it's long gone or it might actually be in my record shelf Oh you the David Rosh burgling Robert. Robert, Rauschenberg. So what happened with the cover is they they get this artist Robert? Rauschenberg to make the cover of the record in he started does a simplification of his larger piece revolver, which is like a bunch of spinning moving plastic wheels that you can adjust. And turn to several different settings. And so he's working on this for a while and finally the record company comes back and says, okay, well, we've we've found a way to do it. Some kids are going to put it together in Minnesota. Not like little kids but like interns or something like that, but it's going to raise the price of the album like. A Lot. and. So they say, well, no, we're not GONNA do it according to Chris Farts He says that they all agreed they were for the regular record. They were just GonNa take a picture of the artwork. Yeah, and that was going to be the cover, and then they were GonNa make this Robert Rauschenberg cover like limited edition which David has a copy of, but he says Mr Burns behind their backs went and created a cover by himself. And then just admitted it without ever talking to anyone. And it was apparently like him taking pictures of his hotel of like a chair tipped over in his hotel room and stuff like that I don't know but that is according to Chris farts. Yeah and they didn't even know about it till like the album came out right or until they got like the Promo copy and they're like, well, Chris Farts Kinda says that that's that's not what Christopher says he just kind of says that you may be thinking of the the record before but. He just kind of says, by the time they found out about it. It was a fate accompli like it had already been done. This is before the record came out. Okay. You just said something in French. Those of us who aren't bilingual. Just, throw us a bone and tell us this fiddle completely. kind of means it's something It's it's. A. What does that without here? I think it means the direct translation has something to do with an album cover and it being too late to change an album cover from rush. This is where they could take. Right, yeah. This they coined the fate accompli for this situation. Okay. Thank you. Guys. Can I ask which album covered? Do you like AAC? Better. Greg, I gotTa say the Robert Rauschenberg One I do not think it's that great. Yes I think the classic one that we're more familiar with is so iconic. It's so iconic maybe just because I've lived with it so long but I I heard about the Robert Rauschenberg one. And I looked it up and I thought it was kind of ugly I don't know what do you think them? I like it and I'm looking at the one that I'm. Chris Farley was talking about they would have taken a just a picture of it and yeah, put it on and I think it's cool. It doesn't really fit the album but maybe that's just because I'm so used to the other one it's very harsh I think it would have turned off some of the the people who bought the record because of burning down the house you know what I mean it's just very Like harsh colors harsh looking if that makes sense. Then again though it's in the groups, you know it's Not on the it's all about the group's. Andy Warhol went out and bought the Robert Rauschenberg cover. When it went on sale he went to his local record store and bought one, and apparently he took it back to his I. think he was maybe in a hotel room or is apartment I'm not sure what and played around with it for like two minutes and got bored with it. And thought it wasn't that great and then he called up Robert Rauschenberg and Robert Rauschenberg said, I got two thousand dollars to do it in were hall was like you got ripped off. You should be getting like twenty five grand to do something like this. and. That but then grammy. So there you go. What's funny is if you saw the little thing that. Warhol play around with and you had that today you could sell it for twenty million. That's true I know one thing that he played around with quite a bit. Probably Suffer What are you talking about? Don't even go there rolling stones cover with the Zipper. Wait a minute. Now I get it. Yeah. What are you on? He was going up down up down. I will say that the I just to be completely honest I think I had like deluxe. Set, that had colored discs, but it was the classic cover not the Rauschenberg. Maybe. It was some promotional version that came to record two radio stations. I think that maybe your memories failing but I often, I often got like weird promotional versions of records because of the aforementioned radio connection of course. Yeah. You keep talking about I. I wasn't serious ended. I wasn't serious when I said I want to adopt. Okay. We Know You you love Your Dad. Would you like to do a documentary about me? I see. Yeah, I guess. So I mean you're an interesting enough guy I have always wondered how you can waste so much of your time. Doing Magic and drawing Shit and Okay I'll be by with the camera. So you guys are starting a documentary feature documentary and feature film about David Wayne and. How much he loves his father Adam not until Thursday at one I'll be right. Sorry I was going to say Thursday at one you're. Starting this yeah. So don't they are starting it'd be very sorry facts. Don't care about your feelings, bro She's okay, sorry. Guys really got me an Gotcha there. All right. Well, guys do you want to hear some of the songs on speaking in tongues play? Yes. With we planned it. All right. This is a Asong. This was their first and only top ten hit. This is the first track on the record this burning down the house by talking heads. That's shocking. It's their only top ten. There are only take me to the river was I. Believe a top twenty or psycho killer and she was. nope guys. I have this information correct road to where you don't have to keep challenging. Chris. Do. You know his his website. Things to be cheerful about. I never did. But I like the title it's called reasons to be cheerful and it's it. Civically you find things that are not completely depressing I like that. So, this song. Apparently Chris and Tina went to parliament. Spooky. Collins Brides of funk in Stein show where before the fans came on people in the audience were chanting burn down the House. And Chris. Thought. That was really good. So when he started laying down the speed start shouting over at, burn down the house burn down the House and I guess Mr Burns like that enough to included in the lyrics. Now, the other interesting facts about this song. David Time Beck into what you were talking about earlier is. It was a hit because of Paola. Real. Is it really? Yes. So The band were all like, wow we have a hit song Mr. Burns is all proud of it. And then. He was talking to his record company. And he was saying like, why don't you spend? You know now that we have a hit why don't you spend money on promotion and they were saying, well, we had to spend all that money and making it hit. And Seymour Stein the the label head was like, yeah. Well, we didn't do pail All the time but not not as much as other labels. But yeah, we did it with the song. That's crazy. Pale with such a massive? No. No and I feel like these days. It's like whatever Oh? Yeah. That would that would be no problem right now. Do you know about the Tiktok? What. Basically people are paying. So a lot of a lot of songs are really popular on Tiktok or become popular because. influencers dance to them on Tiktok and now labels are paying the influencers like one hundred grand to dance to certain songs so that that's on will become a hit. It's like a work around thorough for Paola. You guys we are in the wrong. We should be dancing to to. Literally tomorrow you started Tiktok and start dancing around like it. I am doing that starting right now after this. So if you're just as long as checkout talk doing it me dancing as long as you're not doing Thursday one because we have some business to take Thursday at one. We also have Steve Scales on the Toms During this, let me turn up a little bit. Parts in those Thomas Steve Scales who We will talk more about on the. Stopping Center so. I love this I think this is my favorite album of there's. No better. I would think that was Phil. Collins. Just with his mouth. While eve about a P-, he's the guy doing like all of the credible keyboard solo and all that kind of stuff. I could have gotten a writing credit as far as I'm concerned. Well I. Think he shared it with the Little Rock. Dell yes. Thank you. Knew who you're talking about I just wanted to hear dismount. Match. So that classic song can't be improved upon. As, far as I'm concerned David what, do you think I other than the fact that I don't think burning down the house is really the answer. So you think that they should've kept the dowse the house intact I would have said you know it should have been called. Let's just leave the house alone. Okay. Good to know. Good to know Let's go to the next. This is to this is making flippy floppy. Everybody. Come, between us. Nothing Texas. But in different. Polling does. I love. David Byrne Mister Burns George Harrison during that weird scratchy guitar. He's definitely in the zone during this whole record. Yeah, we also have. On. Guitar. We have a Alex. Alex from stop making sense he's, and in fact, when the solo comes up I will I'm wondering if it's Him whether it's George Harrison is probably not Mr Burns, but also L. Shankhar does double violin on this song. which that might be the Solo. I want your opinion on. Violin or guitar. God this great. I'd save anyone has chance to listen to this without talking over I recommend him. I don't know I think this is the definitive version. This is the version. For now I think they're going to take all the other versions spotify. Okay here we're going to be very. I we do. You guys mind if I cut ahead to. Go ahead probably around here. Okay This sounds very George. This might be the Violin Oh maybe right. Get One of these. Apple Mental. I have. Check this out. One that's like made a rubber. That you gotta get a plane out. Neither of these guys are interested in Qatar so. It's I would say if I had to guests violin, but you can't say for sure because any sound to be made by any. Concern. Collected sample. Was that a violin, you just play David. What do we think? This is a this is a good one. Yes I love that Song David have, you ever heard the song before I have heard this whole album I love it. I. Wish I had something interesting to say about that Song One of my favorites I think Let's go to track three girlfriend is better another hit. They all all talking fence step breaking getting. I should. Talk. Plastic. I actually wrote a biography of. David Byrne. Called Great Beginning Knocking. By the way. This. Plays keyboards on because he happened to be down there. Oh, touring with. George Clinton. How the lyrics so I'm. Of Paranoid sounding. The chorus news dislike I gotta go from better than that. We're not the girl. Lights. Spare. Alba's compared with. that. Because they had, they had so many more musicians and yet it's more space. Yeah. weirdly enough they didn't bring the musicians down to compass point. That they were touring with for the most part. But as I mentioned, Bernie Worrell only plays on this one song-chol. Their backup singers a hendrix dilemma McDonald they only appear on one song. I you know out of I'm actually surprised because I thought you were going to say for most of the songs that you prefer the stop making sense versions well, I I think I probably do. For All of them I just think of their studio albums. This is like. I think this is their peak but I i. think stomaching sends would be might by far my favorite album it's interesting because when they do it some of these songs sound kind of like a mid sort of sort of a compromise between old talking heads and stop making sense like they still sound kind of cold in already on the songs, and then when they do them on stop making sense there suddenly like almost like Gospel songs are so full of joy if you ever didn't if you didn't hear them live. That's what I wonder. Yeah I mean there are a few songs that they don't do on stop making sense that. We talk about when they come up. But most of these are on stockings. This is slippery. People track four. If you here, I want you to want me video versus. And then you hear the live near like this sucks even more. Wait a minute don't even not even a joke. I'm sorry cheap trick their from Chicago and I know the Cleveland to see cities. This is great. Well I've. Ever worked. Got Gas. Sorry this dropping out I faded to. Catalina in Apple Music I in my life and anytime I move player. Catalina the latest one. Yes. It's terrible in do service is available as well. You can get the Beta. WHAT'S WRONG Your a Beta Cup it's hard. What's wrong with your? I do not like the updates apple music instead of items. A long story put, it's all a mess tears the whole thing Sarah. Apple will still take your money if you want to sponsor the show. I heard there Lynch. Catalina. Cool. It's totally fine. Anyway. Old. Yeah, I'd been holding off because I heard. I heard that I tuned sucked compared to I. Sorry, Apple Music compared to I tunes and I finally just like broke Davis. Did it I mostly use spotify anyway. Well, I don't WanNa, get into this. I've already argued without him about this for a episode episode. And so many and the listeners are on my side keep writing to me saying like Adam doesn't get it so I just we can't get into this discussion again David is a subject I. Hope you're not still reading the New Yorker. You know it's just a ragged, right? Truck five this is. I get wild slash wild gravity. This is the last on track or on side one rather. Here we go. This is not on stomaching sense. Finishes up. The first side. Thank you this. Was this a single feel like. I. Don't believe it was. On this record. I think the chorus. Singing right now can you remember? No it was not a single. Payment. Out of proportion is his way of saying. But he likes to be like that fat ass is that what he's trying to say? Yeah He Co wrote that's on I. Like Big Butts. Which Party right The I like. So certainly came in. And he had highlight. That explain what happened. I think you're right David. I can never remember this. Famously, mix a lot and burn got together on a beach and Belgium and. Burn was like I like. What's next and makes a lot went out. On a boat and came back and said I got it I like big butts. Do you see that said. was. Big Boats. You know some people think that whole story Apocryphal. Could have been could have been a typewriter typing. Typing error. So when he sent it to the To the typing pool. The because they were in Belgium so they couldn't obviously there it got in there was a steak and they just went when. I think that already produced the song. Hush well, it's like, tire. Rubber rash. Well, Bob. The friends I wouldn't go too. Deep into that. All, right. This is the first track on the second side. This is swamp. This is one of my maybe my favorite one. I think the studio version may be better than the. was. I always get off on Titan, Blues Like what it is another example. That that Tracy Chapman Song fast car. Some GONNA be gift now I'm GONNA fast car. What about mobile by to the boom? Sure mobile by. How? What the? Album. Everybody's heard about the bar. And I. Think we're doing this service to disarm swamp. I think this is the ultimate. People when they can't hear it without. weirdly enough this song use to be called. What was it called? It was called. Addiction. And they were making for the King of comedy. Soundtrack and they were mixing it and they were like needs to be dirtier needs to be swampy or. And, they like that so much they decide to call swamp. And they decide to make the rest of the mixes on for the rest of the album a little more like this. Is it did end up in king comedy. That I, don't know. It was swampy probably ended up in the trump administration. Thank you. David hold on. Wow, we don't do jokes like that. On this show David Oh you thought I've met that Donald Trump administration who obviously wouldn't do that? Who did you mean? I meant Trump Graham. By Minister. Of. Belgium. Okay. Okay. All Right I apologize. I'm sorry. I didn't know that you were talking about the trump administration that makes total sense. The only reason it's Ok to criticize and they don't have an opposition. They're they're very popular. Yeah. All right. This is. Now, you know as far as. Our stance on Donald Trump. Yeah. You don't do jokes like that. So you know it. This is track seven. This is moon rocks seven of nine. Here we go. Moon rocks. Weirdest about. Flying Saucers. Sounded SORTA like a ghost. Alert is again. Is Actually. Quite scary. Quite terrifying. Dishonorable. Drugs like moon rocks but stern. weirdly. I heard that. One of the books that I read, he apparently go was doing. A few, but we can get to that on our next. Wrong. redoing a special. Ticket all the drugs, we've taken. This. I. Do you guys know that he started with like coming up with? The groove and then sing overheard. So they basically, they went down to compass point they they recorded the record without vocals. And then Mr Burns would pay his apartment singing gibberish. And Then he would if he found a melody the that he liked gibberish words, he would then try to find words that sort of sounded like the gibberish. Made Sense. And that's why the album is called speaking in tongues. And that's so cool and so they so they didn't even have a melody for the. Lyrics until after they reported the music pretty much. Yeah. This it kind of feels like a cross, but on their last record. they they did purely just like grooves. that never change. That were sorta like sample loops. and. This kind of feels like a cross between their earlier songwriting stuff and the groups. Thank you. Anyway Moon Rocks. Great one of the lesser known songs but I like it. Are we going to ever talk about the sun pull up the roots? I mean I'm just I'm not sure should I really liked to I don't I've I? I kind of was hoping we wouldn't. But. What the Hell let's let's the house better packed. Album, here we go. This is pull up the roots. Low, again Good. Morning to you. Indeed, my friend. It's interesting this. Snare sound. It sounds like it's combined with a hand clap it's SORTA influenced by the Totally remember when Mr Burns like asking how'd you get that hand claps. That's apparently all he ever said to. Tina Tina very well. How'd you get that hand? Clap sound on. Genius of love and they told him. He turned away from them. Is there. Is there any better basis? Do I know. This could have been in stemming. Then In. With. Women. Probably. Mentioned this on earlier episode which I have. Listened to you by. We've seen. Concert. No I ever did. Because I started to get really into them around stop making sense and they never toured stopping sense so I'm dying. But what about the David Byrne show which I hear it's unbelievable. Yes. We both seen earn no have not seen. Did you see David I actually watched it all online because. I think. When I I really did want to go but then the How'd you see a team performance of it online I? Think there was a bootleg of. There was I watched it I on Coachella I. Wonder if it was the Coachella one isn't there a movie coming out soon it's coming very soon. Maybe we should talk about it and then did you see when you did it live on Cobra Yeah Yeah. I've. Seen any of it because I wanted to see alive but I doubt I'll be able to know. Well, remember how we were supposed to go to it together you blew me off. No. I couldn't maybe for maybe he'll do a special performance for the people who participated in this podcast. That would be great and I hope that happens I. Hope I definitely hope that happens distanced distance socially distant Seattle stay six feet away from and they all day six feet away from each other onstage. All right. We have one more song on the record. This is the last song. This is a classic. This is this must be the place parentheses naive melody and parentheses everyone knows this. This is perfect. Can you can you actually start it again, play that opening. Moment full volume just so great. Okay fault. Here we go come on just no song starts. You're talking over time you do it. All. Right. Here we go. Right. You GotTa shut up though you got a promise to be quiet. In three to one. So it's this boat. Sorry. Hold on. Let me get. To Adam, you don't talk either three to what Scott do you off. Showing. You gotTa turn the volume up though when you do. You want me. You've complained about how loud it is on previous. To turn it up but I, think David met like could you turn? It s just like the first five seconds so good. I'M GONNA turn the volume all the way. All right. Here we go. Do you think that the Off. Dream. So, they did the song by. Switching instruments which they would occasionally due to keep it fresh so. Chris farts was the only one who couldn't switch well, no new. No one else knew how to play drums. So Chris on the drums but I think. Tina's on keyboards maybe. Mister Burns on Bass and I'm not sure I the stomach. To. Yet. Tina played the guitar and burn played keyboards. I mean this is. has been used in so many. Things different pieces of media. I believe it was on. Didn't they use it and lost, Adam where? In the season two premiere where you're in some apartment, you don't know what's on the island. And Someone right member I know they definitely. They definitely use a lot of people they. They definitely use the speaking in tongues album cover on it and he dropped. So he drops the needle down on a record I can't remember if they intended to use the song or whether they ended up using the song. Anyway. Such a good. Puts me in a good mood. Yeah. I feel like it's like a perfect album. God. This is. The lyrics are very kind of optimistic all about love. which is interesting because Mr Burns in the early records had to sort of put an ironic detachment on all of his lyrics about love. Sort of making fun of it, and this one sort of embraces it wholeheartedly. Ironically. It actually played as the end credits the movie. Wall Street. Toe Yeah. I haven't seen that movie since it came out and I wonder if he'll holds up I just saw. Why? Don't I don't remember but I watched it like six months ago or something how did hold up? You're the perfect I'd ask this question. Yeah did it's weird I mean it's very nineteen, eighty, six or eighty seven or whatever. I KINDA WANNA watch it. It's worthwhile to. Did you ever see money never sleeps? Yeah How's that? You, never some money never sleeps. I, never saw. David Wall Street. Money Never Sleeps. Oh No. Oh God you've never seen money never sleeps. No but I heard a friend of mine was in that I was hearing about your money never. Sleeps. Money never sleeps and it doesn't. All right. Great Records perhaps only overshadowed by the fact that. Some songs have even better versions that were to come out just a year later on their live record. There's a few. There's a couple of outtakes you want to hear any of the outtakes. Let's here just a little bit of two swivel. Sounds like an outtake. And this one they actually released on their best of in like ninety two. Wait are you talking about popsicle? Yeah of course, talking about popsicle Bro. A feeling. When best out of his head one random winker. I know you like to buy. There were four new songs on this best of and they sort of it was great because some of the. Some of the stuff like love goes to buildings and not been on CD before but. Then you have like this is basically an outtake and not that great they're pretending it's a new song. I just hated having to buy the motels best just to hear only the lonely. When she just by the single. Singing around the house have money but you bought the whole album. Sing it around the house. What is your yeah. I I would have never have an apartment at the time. I didn't she just sort of afforded the album the single I would've gotten didn't you just do like a guest writing stint on SNL for a couple of weeks or like just staff up like like staff up for dual one day a week thing on will and grace or something that's what I would do if I were in that situation, it was easier for me because at the time, the record store would go to the singles were a lot more expensive than the album's why don't you just refinance your second home? That's what I would have done. All right. So how do we feel about speaking in tongues? Excellent. This is my the album, the that I listened to the most of the talking heads in my life. Really. And stop making sense I. Guess. Yeah me too. And I'm have no regrets about it. You, you sort of live your life. That way you were telling me before we got on air is your kind of what I drive down that road and the rear view mirror is not installed in my vehicle. I've noticed that with all your cards, you have no rear view you've got into a lot of accidents though having no, but it's great for when you're doing a hood. Mount. Dialogue scene. Because it doesn't get in the way. David just. Click. Well, I'd have to go out to the airport and check. Okay. Oh, you keep them all in a airport hangar at the airport. And have a guy named Scott, who takes care of them? You have a kind him Scott. Really. Yeah. Okay. I wonder if we know him, you probably do we should get him on the show he should be a third host Scott. Joplin is his name No relation to. The entertainer himself. Scott Joplin you're the guy that takes care of all your sports cars at the. Heck. Am Not, GonNa, play this Gotcha game again. Sorry you and Gotcha Games I don't know. What we can do that all day long and it's not gonNA get anywhere. So if you WanNa, actually talk about the issues we can. SORTA like to but. Speaking Scott Joplin. If you had me name. The top. Twenty. Five Most. Famous Scott Joplin compositions this would without question the. Like number twenty, four, number twenty, three somewhere in there for sure I guarantee it my grandparents had a player piano. How One with all the scrolls that you have to load into the piano and then you like pedal it. And this was one of the ones that I. Pedal with my feet. In pretend that was playing did you know you can buy? You can buy one of those pianos now but it's an Elton John Piano and he apparently sat and played all of his hits into a piano that they just recorded him playing on and. You can turn it on at home and European If he were there. Hearing you talk about these memories. Scott with this music in the background is very wistful. Melancholy. Yeah. It certainly is especially with a song like this, which is A. Owed to a bygone age. Have you ever. Do. You have that song doctor jazz by squeeze. Be. Able. BULLIED DO PROBABLY A. Apropos of nothing just here. For some reason when I type in Joplin Dr Jask maybe. Scotch Upland have anything to do with this. Let's check out the information on the track. Along. Why would Joplin why would come up? And do. Now it's more that. Maybe I'll tell you recommends no lear on the job you're on the Joel Holland. Holland. Search. No idea. Why this? Doctor Jazz. So guys. We like speaking in tongues and Adam. Your. Midway through your snack or where what do you know what I have almonds and Golden Berries here and it was hard to resist and so I was just toss munching away leaving it all up to me meanwhile David you're doing card tricks. Really, the lion share of the work being done by yours truly here on this show today and one who has to do all the uploading promotion. Promotion trance storting and all that. So Oh, that's right we are wainscoting on this. On this episode we have David Wayne, and the two Scots any closing final sentiments that we want you. I'm going to say since I'm. Taking off at this point in terms of you know I'm GonNa let you guys handle the rest of the season here. Yeah, and I just want to say it's been a real journey. And I, do have you know my family, my mom and dad and so on but. I have another family and it's you guys. Thank you. And really I really really appreciate that not the same as. The. The actual blood family, I think we under as Welby. Is it just the blind? That's the only reason you like them better. It's the presence of blood. Blood we have blood I'll I'll you some of my blood if he wanted okay, I get it. It's reference to Dracula and your blood. Okay. You're brought up blood I don't. Okay that now? After all this time you've finally got me you're. Frightened? Of Dracula? If. Okay you're trying to make me feel like Dracula's real 'cause he is that I would be right and I've always to be honest. I've always considered to be like a R-enfield type. You know like just eating bugs. And a mental slave to someone more powerful. I'm assuming Tom Lennon or that's my thing. David it's it's really our pleasure having you on the show. It's always a good time whenever you come your wealth of knowledge is only eclipsed by your incredible personality. Well, I'm going to text you my number so that anytime you want me back I will. You may not need to include your not. Just. Maybe a Texas has hi, this is David I just said I. WAS GONNA tax. You I'll I'll break it down from there. All right cool. All right. Well, that's going to do it for US episode. Thank you. David. Thank. You guys. We are going to thank you by the way to me. Yes. We're GONNA see you next time until then we hope that you found what you're looking for. I Want.

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Patrick McEnroe talks Tennis with Craig Shapiro

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Patrick McEnroe talks Tennis with Craig Shapiro

"Good Day my friends. And Welcome to the Craig Shapiro. Tennis podcast today's show is brought to you by the legendary Giorgio brand made famous by Gabriella Sabatini. Pete Sampras was most famously worn by the brother. Today's guest their gear. Turgeau TEQUILA DOT COM. And when you get checkout my code Craig. Thirty in all cows thirty percent off or grew up in the seventies and eighties in Queens and then Long Island New York distinguished himself as one of the best. Juniors in the nation after an exemplary career at Stamford turned pro and reach twenty eight in the world. He has been Davis Cup. Captain Head of USDA player development has been a broadcaster at ESPN's nineteen ninety. Patrick McEnroe is today's guest ready to do this. I'm ready man. You know I have to tell you you're somebody. I thought that I would have seen more of We lived lived in Lafayette Street. I lived in Leonard Jewelry but somehow I think I kind of dipped out of tennis when you really just kind of have been in it from every day every week for thirty five for your whole life About I'm on fifty years. If Those Three Fifty Years Gentlemen you here is former world number. Twenty eight former world number three in doubles Stanford graduate and on some level broadcaster former Davis Cup captain former head of US TA player pro player development and the brother of one of the most famous people on the Earth by man. An old friend of Mine Patrick McEnroe coming from his basement man. Yeah well listen You you Craig inspired me to get into this and to start my own podcast which I did just in the last couple of weeks when this whole epidemic hit and I then found out shortly thereafter that I was positive for the virus myself. I've been having some kind of minor symptoms a couple of different ones breathing issues little bit of coffee in a little bit fever so anyway long story short. I ended up here in my basement. I've been here for about a month. Luckily just in the last week I've been able to go back upstairs with my family with gloves and the mask. I'm hoping to get the all clear that is cleared by system so I can go back to quote unquote normally being with my kids and wife. So while I've been down here. Okay I've been doing some zoom webinars for our kids in our John McEnroe tennis academy which has been great. So I figured out how to do that. I've rearranged my basement and my office down here and then I had this podcast machine that I had been talking to a podcast company. A mud house media based up in Boston for months. Talking about this idea concept of what my podcast be which essentially people that are very successful outside of tennis but who loved tenants and who obsessed tents so. I saw this machine. I said you might be a decent time to figure out how to get this thing together by dear so so I've been knocking them out for the last couple of weeks. I wanted just dial right into this. Do you have any kind of feel for how you may have caught the virus? No no absolutely not. I mean I'm guessing just based on where I was that at our tennis academy which is on Randall's island you know just just north of Manhattan You know we got tons of kids coming through there every day tons of people. Lots of coaches You know obviously most kids knock on wood. Luckily don't get really sick from it. at least that's what the current areas are But they may have to when you so when you got sick. Did you feel like Oh. This is different. This is on the first. The first thing I started noticing was I was really having trouble sleeping at night for a few nights in a row. And that's pretty unusual. I'm usually a pretty good sleeper. Usually go to bed and you know need my seven. Nine hours asleep And I just was like waking up in the night and at first I thought well. Obviously this was just starting to happen. Meaning we are Shutting Down New York shutting down our academy. What was GONNA happen so I was just stressed out? Many of us are going through and thinking about my kids and my wife you know what how is this going to play out you know. Cetera ET CETERA. So that would then after a couple of days I we had dinner a member on Saturday night with my kids and my wife. My kids already like in full lockdown. You know they'd started home online school in In Our town up here in Westchester and I said to my wife I said you know I just don't feel right you know. I think we should take my temperature. Took my temperature and sure enough at a fever. A combined with the other symptoms. I'd had that was when we say we you know. Put me in the basement so we my wife and I sort of talked about it. Luckily we do have a space. Down here GotTa pull out band. And there's a bathroom no shower so I always have to go up once every few days with everything on to take a shower But as I said I've been pretty lucky because my symptoms. I've never been extreme to our. I thought Oh my God like I'm in trouble or I need to go to the doctor for the hospital because I spoke to a lot of people. Similar age to us to be guided and really hit got hit pretty hard. You know as far as symptoms was so you were communicating with some of our friends and and people. You know comparing notes direct. Yeah I mean you know. There's a few other people that I knew that had it. And you know we're getting pretty high fevers consistently and you know spreading profusely Opposite OF BREATHING. Thing is the biggest. You know big concern so I have felt at times that I don't have my normal strength in my lungs you know which for me is being an athlete and kept myself in pretty decent shape over the years so may To Walk my dog here with me in the background and walk up the hill and get a little bit. Fatigued is very pretty strange. Not to mention that as I started doing these podcasts. You Know Greg when you start talking a lot. I noticed like losing my breath a little bit. Rail doing the podcast. So that leads has led me to believe that you know is still hanging around So you know taking extra precautions with the family. Now you have any opinion of leadership in New York in through this in general I think Cuomo has done a great job. I mean I think he's a right from the beginning he's been out in front of it and doing the best he can seemingly in you. Don't try to be difficult ways specifically the city so where I live pretty close to when the first outbreak happened in new Rochelle When before really even hit the city oh I think he's done a good job of keeping everybody posted in being upfront and honest about what's going on. That's all you can do You know it's been rough. It's been rough here in this area As I said a lot of friends and people I know got it and even you know some some friends of mine have loss and people that have lost their lives so it's been It's been a pretty eye opening experience. I mean we all obviously are dealing with it everywhere. And we're just trying to get through it. I wanted to talk about Your your perspectives. On what has transpired since Indian Wells cancelled? Yeah I mean it's amazing when you look back because everyone was shocked when that happened I was I was literally get ready to go on a plane and go out there to do some things with. Bnp Paribas which actually sponsors are scholarship kids at our tennis academy and then obviously to participate In the event itself. Actually I wasn't actually supposed to do the broadcasting for ESPN which I normally do. Because I was taking my wife and my kids degrees for fiftieth birthday. My wife stones down on my wife just turned fifty. We were going on a family. Of course all that got canceled at people were surprised. Wow like this is kind of a big deal. That was really the first bank professional sporting event. Pull the plug in in our country. It turned out that They were ahead of the curve so to speak. They'd had a couple of reports. I guess at the hospital in the Palm Springs area of people getting it and I think California's done a pretty good job of being way out in front of it as you. You certainly don't see the cases like you see in New York City which obviously people are living on top of each other. So you know that. Move quickly Obviously with Wimbledon announced that they were cancelling that was shot in the gut all of us in the tennis world. Kind of knowing that this is going to be a while and I happen to think that the US Open is is at this point turning into more of a long shot to happen at least certainly with with normal amount of fans Not a problem for professional tennis. Obviously is that we're coming. You know broadcasters fans players are coming from all over the world so the only way for professional tennis to really get back to what you know some sense of normalcy is Owen. Tire world has to be reopened. San and I think it's a little EAS- not easy. But but a more manageable country under to do things city by city state by state but worldwide is what it would take for tennis to come back so. I think that's GonNa make it very difficult to see any tennis professional at the highest level in this year. If you take a have you had any Our show we pride ourselves on being a bit of an insider's show. Have you had any interesting conversations with any behind the seniors that have given you some perspective that maybe we don't know about well. I think that Obviously I think the issue of doing it with limited fans at the US Open. Come up You know I do think there's some concern amongst the tennis organizations that You know obviously everybody's struggling all over the world. I mean millions of people have lost their jobs including a lot of our pros at our Tennis Academy. You know teaching rose and people that work in the clubs that's happening on a global scale but tennis players are people to write professional tennis players. And obviously we're not talking about Serena and Roger and Rafa are struggling financially but we are talking about a lot of players that are ranked between one hundred two thousand men and women. That are that. I think really are struggling. So I'm hoping that they'll be some way for their whether it's the majors the tours to get together and you know maybe give these players some loans the PGA Talking about doing that. Maybe as done that already. I think that's that's an issue for professional tennis players not to mention all the people that were in the tennis world the tennis industry whether there are people in TV like us a lot of those people who work for ESPN for big neck. Networks are not a contract employers for the whole year so they come in and they count on these events throughout the course of the year so those people are struggling as well If there's a way that tennis can be played safely. Obviously and and for television I think that would be a positive but remember tennis. Unlike a lot of the bigger the bigger teams for our country but all basketball hockey cetera relied far are heavily on a daily attendance to pay their bills and to satisfy Pay The players than the other sports event then. Tv Revenue Damp the NFL obviously and Nba a much. Higher percentage of their income of their revenues. Come from television than they do from the from the daily gate the for tennis. It's a little one of the things that I've I've found interesting has been the emergence of Andre Gow Danzi as a As a real deal or barely sounded like the real deal in his presser few days ago Do you know him. Can you talk about him? I know reasonably well. I mean I played with them on a tour. He was Eliza little bit younger than me but he was on the tour. When I was out there always had a lot of respect for him as a player as a pet birds. Very hard worker. You know not depots gifted player but a hell of a competitor and extremely fit and obviously a smart got. So you know. I was unaware of how impressive his resume as Ben since he left Tennessee and went on to have a real career in the business world. So I think that's. That's pretty always knew he was a smart guy. But he's sort of taken that to another level so I agree with you. I've been really. I mean. I was really liked him as a player guide. Smart Guy went to see what he's done in the see the way he's kind of stepped into I mean who that could have Predicted something like this. And all of a sudden he steps into this world where you know the the the past problems seem minuscule as far as the tour dealing with the majors and players splintered in different directions. Now you've got this global crisis so It seems like he's he's he's handling it well so far and I hope that he might be a strong voice for the players. You know the non top top players that need help through this process and also it seems like he's taking this opportunity to look at all the problems we've known to have have existed at county. Come to some you know a better organization for professional tennis. In general he spoke to and I guess. There's been some initiatives with the men and the women together. That felt like really good to me in general. Yeah I mean I think when you look look obviously lucky to majors and look at the big. You Know Masters Events Commander where the only sport we tennis. Where the only sport really where men and women are on equal footing and essential okay? There's some cracks here and there obviously but you have to. I think it has a former male player. I can understand how sometimes a male players get a little bit upset about debt right because if you look at the men's tour essentially just by itself in the women's store. The men's store brings in more revenue. Okay but I think you have to look at the overall good and the overall good is the majors are huge keep getting bigger and better Soda Masters Events. Why not bring the rest of the tour is together? No doubt I mean because that's actually helping the overall economic so you could say if you are hardcore guy like a women shouldn't play alongside us but I think you're losing sight than of the bigger picture. Which is that first of all the great thing to do coach culturally. And it's the right message to send and we should be very proud of ourselves in the tennis world that we can send that message legitimately at why not keep going in that direction because people like fans you know what I go to tournaments fans along the fact that they could see men and women not a plane. It's great for the sport so I think to me. Maybe this is an opportunity for the men's and women's tour in women's to actually start to come together for and to that point when Nick CURIOS PRACTICES WITH MANDA ANY SIMONOVA. It draws a bigger crowd than any other around thirty two match. There is man. Well you know women women and man can can successfully practice with each other on certain certain situations like at people love that it's bad for morale is sport. It's a great message. Santa kids out there And I think it's something that doesn't exist. I mean dial can the Olympics the Olympics that exists. Right as far as you know that you're on a team representing your country but there's really no other sport even golf. You know which is kind of had it. You couldn't do it practically because they're not playing against women percents Hasn't really capitalized on it to me. The same way certainly. Nowhere close to what tennis has been able to do. Man I I have to ask you now that we're of disorder of advanced age in you look back and he kind of close your eyes. What was it like to have that front row seat in the players box at practice? I can only imagine at the kitchen table when you were you know. Ten in John was seventeen man. What was that like? You know it's funny because It seemed kind of normal at the time because that was like when you're a kid and now that I see with my three children You know kind of whatever's happening around you you just think it's like a life so for example when You know the TV news crews started coming to our house in Douglaston. When John Semi's at Wimbledon you know as a qualifier is a teenager. You know it seemed Kinda cool like oh. This is kind of fun you know. Of course we look back and we say why in the world do let all these news crews in our house like we would never do that after being around it for a couple of years at Sarah. Obviously tennis was always a big part of growing up for us for both of us. Just you're there's another brother and he and he can't play. It could play pretty well. He's actually a really solid player but he never got into plane competitive never really got you know he was. He's in the middle of Mian. John John D. All this and mark was was a solid player but he had like one older brother who is really a younger brother coming up who is getting pretty good and I used to play with them a lot because we were you know as I got to be. Maybe eleven twelve you know. He was like forty years older than so when ice. He could tell that I was starting to get to where I was probably going to be. Zoom you know so he was like I can't put himself in tournaments deal. At obviously John was earn the top players in the country and mark and other interests. He was in a basketball at different things. But it's really so much apart. Be Dead So when. John made it like big. It didn't seem like that unusual. Obviously looking back. Someone sent me a video. Actually yesterday of Upjohn hitting at the French Open like warming up for one of his big matches and then they they they. They moved over to the other side. He was hit you with me and I'm like I don't. I don't remember that I was born being probably warming up for like a huge match at the friend I used used to drive them to the. Us Open when he was in his heyday like in the mid eighties. Early to mid eighties. I used to drive him from our house in in in Long Island. Because we we. He bought us like this big pad had a tennis court needed for the whole family us. We used a kid in the morning. John and I would practice and then we I would drive him into the open for the big matches and we had a total routine he. This is four. Fifty S L. Is First car ever bought Mercedes with with his earnings so he kept that forever we used to have we used to get? I used to drive and he used a nap on the forty. Five minute drive into She battles every time. It was like clockwork so that was like are routine like I would warm up place for forty five minutes. He didn't want to deal with the crowd in the practice. And then he would just like to just be. You know start locking in manly get ready for the matches satellite. That was my life. You know how important was your father to the whole program. He was he was I'm not going to say he was the driving force but he was the driver like he drove us. My mom was probably more light to drop. My mom was pretty like tents Hard core like You know when my dad always like to tell the story when he when he was working during the day when just got married there in early twenties in he had a job working as a law firm? He was going to law school at night? He would go to law school at night and work during the day. My mom was a nurse. Emergency Room nurse for many years. They lived in like you know. An apartment in flushing was first place. They Lynn Dad came home Very excited one one one day at the end of the school year instead. Carry my mom's Amos Que. She said he said carry. I finished number two in my class and she said Oh really who finished one. That was kind of like A little bit of she was she drove us. Pretty hard especially John can be in the first and opposite devotes most talented China's wise. Oh Up my dad. My Dad loved like he loved. You know being the dad to John McEnroe and and and being involved in Davis Cup and you know that was his favorite thing in the world was Davis Cup. You love that and allowed to be rounded but he used to drive me to all the tournaments when I was a kid and you know he likes to say he was very proud of the fact that when I was a junior here in the east grown up in the East I was always one of the top juniors in east and I had a great record. So he told me and in three-set matches went the distance. He was very proud of the advice. He would give me inbetween sats because those days you could get like a ten minute break and coaching so he would always say to me son do what she did on the set you want. You can't go wrong with that advice right so really really enjoyed it in a way that You know he was. He had a lot of pride in in what we did. And and but more than just a plain Barda mini loved the plane far but he just allow especially love the you know when we started working together on TV. That was really cool for that was great for me. That was something I always wanted to do is to try to work with John. Tv which is part of the reason. I tried to develop other skills other than just being an analyst here and finally came to fruition so I think he was he was pretty pumped up out to you know I. I wrote a story a like a thirty five hundred word story for racket magazine. Who I know you're and it. And it was about Martin Mulligan and he told me a story about how John Lo fi la because of Borg and he was wearing fee law in that he was dealing with your father in John was like at Stanford. Where did your dad sort of operate as the agent for a moment or two? Oh definitely not. He operated Bert are Asian for a long time. In fact and probably in retrospect too long because I think especially with John. You know 'cause they butted heads a lot. Mike that had you know in some ways a similar personality to John But over a good part of John's career you know my dad. John always hat like an agent of tennis person. But my dad was always liked the guy overseen and he was a lawyer by trade so he was very good way better than most of our Asians ever could have been about reading contracts and specifying. Because that's what he did for a living so come a time where things John especially felt that know it was it was. It was tough on their father son relationship at that. So that's the Awsat like later in his career. But you know I always appreciated. Obviously I didn't have to kind of money that John Did So it was nice that my dad you know helping me out with style not having to pay him what he always even even later in my career like when I started getting a broadcast in it started to do my own deals with my agent with with ESPN or whomever by Dad. Always want let me see the contract letting go over the contract and of course that would that would make my agents nervous big here we but but he he certainly out our best interests at heart. No DOUBT ABOUT LAST QUESTION. The last thing locher father you gotta just tell the story about him chasing down a bandit in the subway that happened. Isn't it in your? Your father did happen He was older at the time so I don't think he could catch him but he was pretty. He was pretty pissed off about it and we were a little worried about him because I think he would try to run up to subway steps. And I'M GONNA say he was in his early seventies at that point when that happened you know. He passed away in his early eighties. And so he was you know he was struggling a bit physically but he was a New Yorker through through my dad. I mean he grew up and the upper east side Irish immigrant. Family only child. You know playing stickball playing handball on the streets and he's by to say that that's where we got our hand eye coordination hand long. Because he you know he didn't have the money to play tennis. Yes sports like that so I think he was really proud of where he came from. Obviously giving us the opportunities that we got even when my dad? My mom had no money at all. they they got us to go to the private school and basically took out a loan told them they pay them back pay school back years later which they did so they always lucky to try to give us the things that they couldn't have when they were growing up. You distinguish yourself as a top junior in the country. How would you describe your career? And how did you? How did you decide to turn pro? Good question I mean it was you know I was. I was a very successful. Junior Assert a considered slightly at times. Like do I not go to college but I never really considered that seriously If I had I think I'd probably would have had a slightly better tennis career because I didn't really understand what it took to make it at the pros buy left college. You know Chuck Adams meet me. Chuck Adams Michael Joyce and Jeff. Tarango were on a text texting string and they were given Jeff Shit. They said you know you got soft at College. Because he was ill one of the best juniors there ever was right and they were kind of giving him a hard time and and chuck really believed that that you know you ain't. GonNa you ain't GonNa beat a guy from Bulgaria fighting for his life coming out of coming out of Stanford. It's going to take us down. I think it would have probably. I think I looked at it in the right way which is probably not not like John. You know people forget John was already topped thirty in the world when he went to Stanford. Okay Act happening anything like that today. Would my mom just said like you're going to Stanford you're going for year you're just GONNA go. So is that what your brother just forced him. You're going to college for a year. That's yes that was innocent. Yeah Yeah because they already knew that he was gonNA make a lot of money in that he was going to be a top player in the world Early optics so for me it was. That wasn't obvious. So can I say Erin saying you know if I had gone all in as a professional player at Seventeen Eighteen. I think I probably would have gotten a little bit higher. Maybe could have gotten to the top. Twenty maybe fifteen in the world But that was not a guarantee so obviously getting an education getting a degree going to college that experience first of all Was Amazing and I think it'd be crazy for me to say that my other opportunities that I've gotten you know in the tennis world but outside of the plane you know working for the U. V. in Davis Cup Captain Head of player development getting into broadcasting. Doing my own radio show etcetera. Of course I could have done that just by being a former tennis player but I think that having that education certainly helped so while you know I think the payoff of me having just going straight to the pros probably I feel like I still made the right decision going to college. Even though my my tennis in college I think someone stagnated the last couple of years I was there. I know you are a believer in college tennis. I Love Tennis. I mean college is You know you have to. You have to work harder as individual player to make it a preparation for the promotes. That's the Kate College. Chances for ninety nine percent of junior tennis players is the way to go. Because you're very unlikely to make a living playing temps college China's is awesome. I mean it's so much fun. It's so much fun. Yeah it's a great atmosphere and but to but if you if you want to be a professional player then you have to really do a lot on your own while you're in college because the college system is not set up for the pros necessarily but I mean it can if you're a top guy. You're Steve Johnson and you're playing number one at USA or at Stanford or something like that you know you're playing good competition. But you've even Steve Johnson as as great a college player as he. Was you know it took a while to figure out? Okay like when I go to the pros. I gotTa take my fitness to the next level by training. I gotta take everything to the next level which was able to do you know. Is there a little bit of an exception? Just because of his is is in his game style because it serves. Yeah but when you look at a lot of really really top college players when they left college could make. It's like almost like Kevin. Anderson is ner are exceptions to the rule because of elite size elite serves. Really THEY HOLD. Serve all serve the night. Give that game a little time to sort of figure out what else they needed to do to get better. You know to be to be great pro players which they both become. How would you describe your pro career? I think I maxed down. I mean I think as I said. I think I could have done a little better earlier. If I'd been you know better condition. When I got out of college I was woefully out of shape compared to the to the pro level so it took me two years to figure out what I needed to do to be like a decent singles player. Obviously I had very good double skills if I have focused only on doubles. You're more on doubles. I think I could have won more titles in doubles but at the same time I wanted to like try. Become a legitimate singles player so That hurt me early on being good at doubles but doubles were sort of paying my bills for a couple of years. So I think you know I found that balance But I think that the overall you know when I look at my results you know my better results overall were actually in bigger tournaments in the majors. I think because I was fitter. I worked hard. I wasn't you know the national emails explosive type player. So you know I'm proud of the fact that I felt like my best results came in some. You know some of the majors know you mentioned when you spoke to Rene in Caitlyn that Dickie. Herbst was a profound coach for you that he really got the best. Outta you and when I met you it was probably like around the clay court season. Nineteen Ninety six. I think you were probably top thirty. Then you precipitously fell off by ninety. You were off the tour. Generally speaking of talk about who dickey was an intern of what happened to you at that moment in time while I was also tour basic as I had got injured shoulder surgery. Ninety eight ninety nine. That's ended my career but Dicky was sort of a a a longtime friend. He'd coach one of my best friends growing up. Paul ingenue played at Harvard. And you know had a little bit of his stint on the tour is brother. Peter played a little bit on the tours while dicky's -Chusetts Guy Right he's originally from Massachusetts so he's So that's where he grew up. He spent some time working with at one point. He was a big Core J. Fish. Who has a coach at Harvard for many many years so from that that area and so I came to know him through my my friends and so I've known him for a number of years and you know he just kind of reorganize my game a little bit he. He had a lot of belief in me. He got me practice. It better players more often. Got a used if you know. I think understanding my strength. Which was my backhand. Had A setup my backhand he was big into patterns and plans specific patterns. Oh what's album? What's an example of that That how did he bring a sort of that? That really change in strategy right. You're all of a sudden. He's talking about patterns to you. What would you say you know why? Why would you know you get a a rally ball on the forehand and most people say you hit that Cross court? That's save shot you know. How do you want to play this point? Is You know like like a rip back in its opponent. Let's work on your forehand down the line. You know a little bit higher with shame you know to your opponents back in assuming that righty because the odds are the next. Ball's GonNa come to your back in so like things like that using your sir. I didn't have a big Sur. Use Your Syrup. So that the likelihood is you're going to get back in on your show you know like you see all the players do now sir. Plus one they're looking for the big for him for the votes I think he he kind of put that into my mindset. A little bit where. I wasn't smart player because I think I was which is part of the reason I was. I was pretty good but you know I wasn't that quick I couldn't defend that well so I had to just try to play as much offense early on in the point is I could. He's like why are you gonNa Forehand Crossword cross-court when you might as well take the first or second ball lines you can get it back in and get control the point earlier so it was kind of little things like that It was also a mindset just a belief that You know you can play with these guys. You can play with the top guys in the world. So part of what he did was try to change my mindset which is why he'd started getting me to practice with you know better players. More often dickey hurts man. That ain't no joke. You got to twenty eight. That's I. S S I mean. He was there when I made my run at the. Us Open. When I got into the corridors which was had success early in the nineties when I did the Sammy's of the Australian Open in and out of the top thirty top forty doing pretty well Couple of finals at some tournaments but ninety five bat year Dickie sort of really helped me kind of get over the Hump at the open because that was obviously a place where I thought over the years I should have done. Better is hardcore was my best service. It was relatively quick conditions usually by hometown. All that stuff there for me that Ron and so that was one of the great runs for me because it was a couple of Nice Comeback. Wins in that tournament. And even though I lost a becker in the corridors in a four setter I really felt like I probably played the best one best matched I ever played in that match just to keep it. Keep it that close and I was very close to turn in that match around. And taking it kept Steph. Last question about your brother What are your memories of Nineteen eighty-four Guy Lost? I think three matches were you. Were you front and Center for a lot of that year? Were you around you? What were you doing? I was playing. Juniors it's a big big big turning and did juniors that year so it was obviously an unbelievable year. Let me let me stop you just quickly for our listeners. In nineteen eighty four. John McEnroe basically. I think when eighty four and three and one three and a slams and didn't play offs Sorry lost the French to lendl right and it's considered you know. Probably one of the great years of an athlete there ever was period to get somebody is certainly up. There was a you know the greatest single years in tennis federer out of a year where he I think had four losses and maybe five or six couples federal had more longevity and consistency Madonna year for John was was tremendous that's when he obviously a dominated the Wimbledon final Goudie playing eighty four. Was IT It was it was. It might have been Chris. Lewis in eighty four which is just a complete beat down and You know but I'll tell you what I remember on on which unfortunately you know. John Remembers by better than any is the loss to lendl because I don't know if you're aware but I was playing in junior French. Open at the same time and I was in the junior doubles final. Okay the same day is immense final. Johnny gets Endel. I was playing with Luke Jensen And we have one we actually were. GonNa go on and win Kalamazoo that year junior nationals. And we were playing guests. Who in the finals of the junior double Riglewski and Boris Becker? Guy and Becker was like fifteen so we were in the locker room and John was destroying lendl two sets to love and a break in the third and the referee from the French Open. Came into the locker room in San Hey we're GONNA put you guys on center court because we were scheduled to go on the other court and for the matches going so fast that they said we're just GonNa put you know we need another match on centre quite unlike. Can you believe this like my brother's going to win the French and I'M GONNA go? I'm GonNa get the play like right. After this is amazing. Parents had flown over that morning. Just for the final. Come over and they're you know the route. I arrived that morning there in the crowd and of course you know shit starts to hit the fan. John Loses it. A couple of photographers. Glues is the third sat very very much ended in a force. What did he run out of gas? Yeah he didn't run out of gas until the end. I mean maybe maybe midway through the fourth he started getting tired but I think it was. You know it was one of those things where you're you're you're right there. You're so close. And he will say to this day. That's you know that wants things more than any other So just to finish quick story. Then I'll tell you another story. What happened after is so they finally put. They waited till the floor. Set was over two and with two cents off a move the courts. Now I gotta go out and play junior doubtful Speidel. There's like seven people in the crowd. You Know Boris his coach maybe a USDA coach for us. I don't even remember and I'm listening to the score you know like I'm like Oh man. So of course. He loses seven five in the fifth right And I see my parents league game or two later. Come walking into Mike and now I feel like you know why it is a ghost. Can you so I ended up winning that match up? So he said the McEnroe's went one and one that day but I think we would've taken the reverse of that but the but the last piece of this story which I think tells you a lot about John and also the mindset of of of a great champion that he was I said to him later that night we were all out. Peter Fleming I think was there too is good buddies doubles partner and me being you know. Seventeen year old kid. I what do I know? And I said John don't worry about it and you're GonNa get you're GonNa get another chance you know you're GonNa win this thing and he's like that was my shop jams he goes. I think he knew he was never gonna get that chance again. You know he was GonNa Win Wimbledon. He is going to win the US Open but at the French you know everything was clicking and he knew that overall you know Lendl V. Land or those guys were were madder clay court players and that to me said a lot about like you know I learned from him later in my career plans to double more together and doing well my that ability to like just like we gotta do it now like we this is it like this is the moment you gotta grab the moment right now and he he had that sort of intensive. It's incredible because I think board was similar in that way. And that's in some ways what board just left so quickly when he was like. Okay like macaroni. Beating may now. I'm Outta here. Which is why. It's more amazing when you look at this group of great players that we've seen the last ten fifteen years. Roger Rafa Novak. They sort of have had a lot of these similar type losses but yet they move on and they keep going and they don't look at it like that was my only chance they keep coming back so. I think that it said a lot about that time with my brother and kind of what his mind said but how the mindset of these players sort of evolve did nineteen eighty-four break him thinking you know he's still was He still was right there at the top. But if you look at You know his major is it Saturday. I think I'm you're broke him but you know it was definitely the end of his run. As far as being number one. Dominant my in my storyteller. Mind it's like the quest for perfection. 'cause he was just such a really he's really an artist on it's different than others and that quest for perfection like it took all his energy is. I think I think there's some truth to. I mean I think that You know 'cause he was as I said it was so it was so close there at at the French. That was funny. Wanted to win. And you and as you noted which we should all remember when you look at the total number of majors right Oregon. My brother and they could care less about the Australian Open in those year. They've even play it. John only played like later in his career. Connors played at a little bit more sporadically. But for those guys top players it was an afterthought is or majors. Imagine Jonah's seven. Pm Planes Austrailia every year. Yeah also wasn't a real thing. The Australian man you win over there now. I was a different a different deal. You ever believe you be twenty five years at ESPN. Now I mean that's amazing seven especially how started it was just kind of You know I fell into an opportunity. I had done a little bit of broadcasting overseas actually A guy by the name of Bill threatful who is a great commentator who used to work for English and he'd worked for the BBC and he worked for a couple of different European networks so at that time they were doing a Lotta European term is like with one announcer. Build oftentimes was the announcer. He was already pretty. You know been around a long time older guy but I just love listening to him and he invited me a couple of Just various players that come into a match just to try to get someone else to talk to and I raise my hand and did it with him and then the next opportunity I got was actually. I believe with USA network when they were doing a similar thing at the US Open and John was actually plane at that time. And they believe was I think it was Ted Robinson and vitas whereas up beat us one of my heroes etc. So they had me come on and do a sap during one of John's Mansions And so that's sort of land to me get an opportunity with ESPN shortly thereafter favorite tournament. Australian Open Favourite Court Centre Court Wimbledon favourite city other than New York. Because that's my probably Paris New York and Paris. Where do you keep your trophies scattered throughout my house I get quite a few of my basement. Actually took where do you keep your Do You keep your credentials. Yes I do and are a box. Does the box and my wife keeps saying like one day. You're GonNa do something you should do. They're still in a box. You got him from the whole your whole life. No I'M GONNA say more from like me. Latter years of playing and then broadcasting big entourages or lean and mean. I couldn't afford answer us very lean very lean. Are you a fan of the big entourages? I mean I'm not a huge fan but I'm But it is what it is you know. I don't I don't like I don't read too much into it as sort of the nature of the beast I used to. I used to laugh like winning a watching College Basketball Games. You know you have these these legendary coaches or guides. There's only five people plane. There's guys there's more coaches than player. Yeah Yeah I mean so football I sort of get it because You know there's so many different like areas but tennis. Tennis is funny now becoming like now. You can't if you're a top player. It's not good enough just now. You have one coach. You have to have two coaches so talk about the rich getting richer. Davis Cup Lava Unbelievable greatest professional experience in my life winning the Davis Cup as a captain Labor Cup awesome event so much fun I mean players. Players love it. Huge Passion is tennis. As more of that. What is what what the people like. What a fans like Don Imus Radio Legend but You know had his quirks. I wanted to ask you about that. I felt for our listeners Patrick as he was coming up in broadcasting did the did the sports on the imus show. You know I have to tell you. I'm I didn't listen to a lot of it when you did that because I always listen to radio when I'm driving and I lived in New York and I didn't drive obviously but I felt like you got a lot of reps on that show did did. Did that help you improve definite? Okay yeah well first of all you had to be incredibly organized with what you're going to say so every word counted. Because you didn't have a lot you wouldn't give you a lot of time. And if he didn't like what you are doing need give you less time so it was almost like you had to be entertaining. You get to the point. You had to be energetic just to get time you know just to be able to get off so you always had to be like very prepared what you also had to be prepared to go in any direction imaginable. So I don't have pages of stuff written now like report of what happened in the Knick game or what happened in this game and a lot of times you wouldn't even get you as you might just come up and just you know. Throw anything out there so you. It was his balance of having to really be prepared because there's sometimes when he would throw Gio and he would leave and go to the bathroom so that is an okay. You got on your. Oh Yeah and then there were times when macro. What are you who the hell cares about this? This is terrible to be prepared for any that? I felt like the also the Times I heard him. Once I would call you like a tour and like the second Mac and now just torture you will. He did that to everybody so you didn't. I didn't take that too personally but that was sort of a step back and But in a way you can tell if he liked you and he did like me like immaculate actually. My Dad was a huge fan of his. And my dad actually helped me get the audition you know which. I did like a live auditioning. He was auditioning people looking for somebody new to come in. Yeah oh I went in there. Just basically like on a lark and You know I I did it for almost two years. Espn's tennis coverage last question I think it's come a long way. You know we've always You know I was there from the beginning being yet but the beginning you know as far as ESPN really getting heavily into the majors you know so. We used to go and do the Australian Open and we laugh about it now because now we have this amazing crew of you know over what we did at least until a couple of years ago over hundred people That would fly over from the US. And when I started out it was you know me. Click dry down Bob Feller and Bob Prosper announcers the producer in the tractor. And you know before that. Obviously you know fiery Fred was was great. That was how I started doing doing courtside for them so I think you know. Espn started kind of doing it on the fly. We used to do seven days at the all the masters event so and then I was transitioning to you know being a big network covering it so I think you know. Obviously there is the economics and usual which serve the real tennis fans that up on a C serene on Roger up six one four up and show another match where it's two two relative unknowns playing a four or five sadder are a women's match going the distance we kind of have to balance like to the real tennis fan but then to the sports fan who if they turn on their TV and they see subpoena. They'RE GONNA keep it up and see Roger they're gonNA keep it. They don't really care about the score so I think we've kind of found a pretty good balance of trying to do. Both you know particularly those first weeks of the majors to where you know obviously focusing on the stars because the star is obviously do sell the sport in general owned by the way man. If anyone has any real complaints they should just run. Run the tape back to e six for exactly the French Open. Final at ten. Am a you know you got every match there is on ESPN PLAZA ESPN THREE ESPN? It's been it's been awesome for me because I've been there as I said you know from what we would sort of skeleton team. And now we've got you know so many different broadcasters so many great people working in production that I think Espn is put a lot of its muscle behind tennis. Which by the way is great for tennis? I still I still try to get us. You know I'm always fighting with them to try to get us on. Sportscenter and on the radio shows more often and usually. It's a big controversy that you know they call me. Can you come on a show? I would like to see happen more. I keep fighting the good fight to try to put tennis out there on the overall network a little bit. One could make a change in the sport without any real significant aggravation. What would it be? Well I think just talking in this podcast with you. I think that you know as I've thought about it through this global pandemic I think that putting a men's and women's tours as one would be would be a good start I've often thought that Structuring tennis a little bit more like golf where there's a PGA tour. There's a basically a tour in the United States and then a European tour and Asian tour. That's something I think we should consider although I'm not sure about that because you know tennis what makes tennis. Great is its global nature the ages of the major Raleigh. Everything around the majors So in that sense it's kind of like it's already in a way already happening. You know because federal of the world you know they're not gonNA come in play San Jose and in those tournaments. So you know. Those tournaments thrive back in the eighties. Because my brother played and connors played and then Sampras and Agassi carrier played and asks drives those mid market events man. You know the the majors. The masters events are now hugely successful. Goran said the same thing yesterday so they gotta figure out a way to get these bigger players in these big stars to play these to play these other events men. I want so. It's all about money in economics than obviously they gotta take care of themselves but I would. I would like to see that. Be Part of it. I like the You know the attention that we've had in the last year or two years with the team events of the Labor Cup. I thought the A. T. ATP Cup was successful. You know the Davis Cup is always been been amazing. That's gone through some transition But I do think that people like those you know we in the tennis world after look at people like what fans want you know so forgetting so much about well you know this tournaments been here for so many years. Okay great I mean I understand. People got pissed off Or going to take the date September. Well in a way part of me is like okay. Like let's throw all this stuff up in the air and see where we all come down and see what the fans and I think like the Labor Cup is a great example of putting something together that you know fans love and so why. Why get rid of that? I mean you sold out in Prague all down in Chicago. You sold out in Geneva. You celebrate a sell out in Boston. Although he just announced they just announced. It's to move to next you but I think those are the kind of things that we have to find a way to keep intense hundred hung him. And I'm glad that you Are Moving through the disco vintage situation. Well thank you for the time last thing. Just the the the podcast. You're you're focuses on the most interesting people you can find. Who Loved Tennis? Is that right right? Yeah that's that's at least the initial my initial series. You know that I'm doing so I've had some great Gas Brian Koppelman was my first guy. Who's Co created billions afraid movies so he's huge tennis fan? Alan Bergman who's one of the Great Lear- assist songwriters of all time by the way? The Bergman episode is bad to the bone man. Those kind of people like you story. How got into tennis? Just gave me the chills here. Yeah so coming up. I've got Dick by towel coach. Who LOVES TENNIS IS KANSAS GRANDKIDS? All played at a really high level. Oh He's unbelievable supporter of China's host his own tournament college tournament every down in Florida. So that's coming up Ben Stiller Fun who plays a lot in our tennis academy so I got to know him a little bit you know. He's a fan of pro tennis but he got into playing tennis Like in his forties. So I'm just like really impressed with people that got into tennis. Like even later in life biggest. Tennis is freaking hard to get good at. You know that's the other thing I've learned in working with kids especially at our academy is again really good at tennis. Takes a lot of time and it's really difficult so when I see people like that are hugely successful in another part of the world in in their life professional life. Whether it's an actor you know of finance person a singer. Whatever it is I got seal. Who's coming to do was seal because I've played with him a talent and these people like unbelievably accomplished right in what they do. And yet they're willing to go out there and basically be beginners at Pappas and spend hours playing to like make exponential improvement. I find that fascinating and I find it. Incredible to talk to people like that and kind of try to get in their mind like why tennis. So that's really what I Bunch of podcasts are about him and I promise we will see each other down the road and just thank you very much peace to your family and all your people and you are released. That's it all right man. Listen I thank you for having me on and it's awesome that you keep doing this or doing a great job and you say all my so cal. Tennis buddies out there not all right. Okay thank you everybody thank you Patrick. Mcenroe and I'd like to thank Sergio too keen. See what they're doing it. Sergio Teeny Dot Com when you get to checkout use my code Craig. Thirty in all caps for thirty percent discount macklowe edited and mixed the show or music by Bryan Senti. We'll be back next time with one of the most interesting voiced in the sport. Until then I'm Craig Shapiro and you released.

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Roger Federer Opens Up

The New Yorker Radio Hour

21:48 min | 1 year ago

Roger Federer Opens Up

"The new yorker radio hour supported by indeed dot com. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash new yorker. That's indeed dot com slash new yorker the one world trade center in manhattan. This is the new yorker radio hour a co production of the new yorker and w._n._y._c. studio. Welcome to the new yorker radio hour. I'm david ramnik roger federer. Who's getting ready to play the u._s. Open in new york is for my money. The greatest men's tennis player of all time he's won twenty grand slam titles he spent vent three hundred ten weeks ranked number one in the world and just look at the guy even at thirty eight which is pretty old professional tennis. He is a dominant and figure part of his greatness resides above his shoulders. He has an unmatchable record intelligence and temperament which is why it was a little shocking when federal match against djokovic at the final at wimbledon last month ended with a stunning and very unusual mistake. No i know this is not a pleasant moment or a pleasant memory for you but the wimbledon final in july you've won wimbledon eight times. That's more than any other men's player in this year you played in the final against novak djokovic and it was an amazing match and arguably. You outplayed them. It was the longest final in wimbledon history but it ended in a pretty shocking way. You had match point in the fifth set right and it's got to be said you miss hit the ball and just shanked it into the stands and djokovic goes on to win. Tell me about that moment the ball that hits your racket and you watch it it fly off into the stands and you seem so contained but how do you describe the sense of disappointment or whatever it was after so many <music> hours and so much effort and so much beautiful play that's tough. It's tough you know just because <hes> like you said. I thought it was a great match. I played really good. <hes> have all my chances one more points than he did and to end up losing the way. I did really made me more angry than anything you know because i i really felt like i could've done it but you know that's how it goes. Sometimes you know i'm very quick to analyze match like this. I got to the finals very very easily very quickly to be honest because it's just part of who you weren't miserable to be around for the next few days after you you you you didn't have to avoid your kids is and they didn't have to avoid you. Okay yeah i was. I should actually slept in a camper van <hes> monday night so i lost sunday. We went back all as a family on monday. We went on a camping trip so there was no avoiding of course. I woke up tuesday morning. It is now incredibly incredibly tired and drained still from the match just from having a a bad night sleep in the caravan because i have never slept in a caravan before but it was so much fun we had the best time and the i'm so happy with it but we did say that next time if we do it may be better not to do that after a five hour battle with with novak djokovic wimbledon finals when you're playing in a big match. Are you having fun or is that too. <hes> too childish a word to bring to what the activity is on on a big stage <hes> <hes>. I think it is fun but i see what you're trying to say and i also do sense that sometimes because it's so important and to some extensive serious this. It's maybe not as much fun as you think it is but the challenge is fun. You know having those butterflies before walking out on court is interesting. I don't say it's fun because that's maybe something i will not miss yet. I will miss it because it's exhilarating feeling and it's something you don't get when you're playing video games or i don't know what you know. It's just it comes about because the pressure is so high playing in front of a live audience and and of course sometimes you play less good but all i wanna do then is maybe if things reading other going well because sometimes happens doesn't happen. You know nearly enough as i thought they would be at this age but for me it's more about is at least make my opponent beat me you know make him earn it and then at least i can walk out and say like okay. They've got a guy was better. Today wasn't maybe my day whatever the reasons were <hes> but yeah fun is always there but it comes and goes. I guess a little bit at that level. Some fans may not know that when you were kid you had a pretty volcanic temper on the court and you will that away when you watched john mcenroe play or now nick curiouser somebody like that you see them. Lose it on the court. How do you relate to that that kind of temperament on the court which is so alien to you well well. I laugh about it because i think it's actually good. It's good that guys are showing their <hes> their temper well. I can totally relate to it because that's how i felt when i was younger younger and it's nice to see it still exists. I'm all more skits. I use mashraq is throw rackets but very clever wouldn't break the racket voted into the fence or thrown over the fence or into the tree or i don't know what i would do but not onto the ground where would break and i would have have to explain myself to my parents and my sponsor. Maybe and ask for another racket because i smash did so i dunno. I understand that people get upset that because it happens to me still in practice nowadays you know when nobody's watching i get super frustrated as well sometimes because ten is is just a sport where you're going to make mistakes. I don't care who you are just happened. You know i just didn't want to be that kind of player with that attitude because i just felt like so drained one sir i was like midway through a tournament of so tired from getting upset from shouting commentating every ball i missed or you know for for the sake of winning. I changed my attitude. I think basically that's what i did. Athletes who have a long career change muhammad ali when he started off as a professional fighter. It was just unbelievably fast. He had the speed of a of a lightweight and the power of a heavyweight later on he changed his tactics. He became more arvo a he paced himself differently as a tennis player and somebody who's thirty eight. What is it that you cannot do anymore. What have you had to give up well for me. It's been <hes> not sad but unfortunately i had to give up. You know <hes> in my spare time going to the sports. When i was younger i remember we used to go play squash. Miss my friends for hours. After a game or i would go play ping pong. Even before a match or i used to go skiing being you know after trading opened back in switzerland and all of a sudden you're like well. Maybe i should stop that just because i don't want to end my career that way they wanna break my knee or and then you give it up and actually you realize well. I can find something else. That's a lot of fun. The organizers your life differently all of a sudden children so instead of going. I don't know where we're gonna someplace quash well. Now you may go run around into park and play hide and seek and play catch and also it becomes a totally different life that you're living about yeah. I mean i do miss you know the years where i was a teenager too and i just did anything just because i could and i was still trying to understand what does <hes> professionalism channel ism really mean. I notice sometimes at a tournament. You'll drop a set and pretty decisively in the very beginning. We almost getting warmed up and you start to think well. Maybe the difference between veteran this other guy's playing is not so significant and then the tide just completely turns which leads leads me to think that maybe the biggest difference between somebody who's at your level or jovovich level or or an adult and then the next layer down is more mental so the physical you see that that's the case not so much to be honest. I think <hes> actually margins are much slimmer than people think they are. <hes> a few few win fifty three percent or fifty five percent of the points. You are winning the match and actually dominating winning fifty five or sixty percent of the points plate and if you if i'd asked you like how much do you think i win of all the points played you would think maybe seventy percent if you winning six four six six three but actually it's much less esten that what you want to try to create as a player is that you're not playing at the limit of things that that you base is so high that you can always rely rely on it and that you have of a several strength you know in your game that if one also goes away that you still can absorb it with a different shot. Let's say and i think that's what separates the absolute great and the best of <hes> of our game to the other players you know is that we can rely on several things to keep us alive in a match what drives your obsession for tennis tennis right. Now is it records is it you do need. The thrill of winning tournament over and over again is it money is what is it yeah. I mean sometimes the motivation can be records. Sometimes it is beating you know the new generation someplace today's proving to myself that i can do it again and and <hes> i mean just in my heart. I just like playing tennis. You know may be practice or matches. I like being out there you know and as long as i'm really enjoying myself in a field that way i think i'm it's nice to keep on playing and really squeezing that lasts. Drop of lemon out of it you no. I'm not leaving the game of tennis feeling like <hes>. I could've should've stayed longer on the tour because <hes> you know i feel like i missed out now. When you're playing saying you've got a a life of activity and business and and and upheaval and attention and press and all the rest and then when you stop you you stop when you think ahead to that point where whatever it is when you're forty when you're forty five god knows what will life be like an are you looking came forward to that and we'll be different. It will be different for sure <hes> you know. I don't think i will have a major struggle being being away from the game of tennis that i love so much <hes> because i feel like i was able to <hes> keep really great friendships throughout got my career so i think that's going to going to catch me in a nice way coming back to a more normal life and more structured life you know i think it'd be in business in some shape or form hoped to be in tennis also just at least a little bit. I could see myself in a mentoring role. I don't see myself commentating or coaching coaching per se but <hes> you know helping and giving tips and advice totally. I concede at philanthropy of course my foundation super important to me so i know i will do be doing that in the future. <hes> and i know i would be leaving in switzerland <hes> my home <hes> we're all my friends are a love my country so much now david david foster wallace we remember besson novelist also read a lot about tennis and he was a big tennis player in he was a fan of yours and that's putting it lightly in a piece in the new york york times. He said that watching you play tennis was like a religious experience and that on the court that you looked like and i'm quoting here a creature whose body is both flesh and somehow light. How do you respond when somebody writes something like that about you. Is it thrilling or embarrassing or what. We have a bit embarrassing thing. I remember the interview with him and i walked away from the interview thing like i don't know if this piece is going to be a most incredible piece or the worst piece. It was really hard to to to tell you know and he wrote this <hes> most unbelievable piece about me. That almost got me definitely a bit embarrassed at dinner day. I'm just a tennis player. You know but i know the tennis in the theater feeling we have. You know we can hear a pin drop. It can be quite a magical sort of feeling you know <hes> for somebody who's not out of tennis player and even for us. It's a great reminder. Something's playing this great arenas around the world what people think and feel watching sports and i get it too because i'm also a sports i found out i also watch it and i get maybe more nervous watching other sports actually playing it myself you coming to new york to play in the u._s. Open very soon in the difference between the atmosphere here at i dunno strawberries and cream wimbledon and a beer and a hotdog u._s. Openness is pretty different. Sometimes it seems like the difference between i don't know a church service and you know feeding time at the zoo. How do you justify that is one place preferable to you well. I think the church is more consistent. Let's put it that way but left lane there. I love playing in new york. Crowds have been terrific with me and i can't wait to come back this year. Well i look forward to it. Roger and thank thank you so much pleasure. Thank you david. I hope i see you there. Roger federer is playing. It is nine hundred thousand u._s. Open this week. This is the new yorker radio hour stick around around the new yorker. Radio hour is supported by wicks dot com with wicks. You can create your own stunning website. Choose a template you love or start from scratch dragon. I can drop to customize anything. Advanced design features like video backgrounds and image galleries get professional business solutions like an online store booking system and blog doug. Tell your story online with a stunning website. Create your website today. Go to wicks w i x dot com slash n._p._r. To get ten percent off when you're ready to go premium the new yorker radio hour supported by goldman sachs for insights from leading thinkers at goldman sachs on the state of markets industries and the global economy listened to podcast exchanges at goldman sachs you'll hear discussions on a variety of topics from a variety of sectors with far reaching implications including global and regional growth forecasts founding value in today's investing climate the impact of technology on markets and much much more. That's exchanges at goldman sachs available on apple podcasts spotify ice stitcher soundcloud and google play and it dot com slash podcast. This is the new yorker radio hour and before we go. We've got one more thing to do today. Staff writer hosue covers music from a particularly wide perspective. He's written about everything from his first memories of hearing george michael in taiwan to the use of classical harps in pop music so i've come to expect the unexpected from but i've never heard anything quite like what he played for me. Recently songs from about fifty years ago by vocalist us named stephen chang so stephen chang recorded a a single in the late sixties jamaican record label. It had the sort of typical rock city style. The loping baselines guitarist cranking out this scandal rhythm but was weird about it is that he was seeing in mandarin <music> so always together is the track that a lot of if if you know who he is you probably know him because of the song and for years collectors knew about this song. It was this mystery as to who this guy was. Jamaica does have this robust chinese. Jamaica population people assume that he comes from that population so i've just became really curious about this <music> so who is steve chang. He's from shanghai born in the twenty s to a well to do family. How did he get involved in music so he left china went to hawaii where he had some family and then eventually ended up in new york city and there he became really interested in performance <hes> theater <hes> perform music <hes> and eventually he became fascinated with this idea that he could invent this new style of music chinese folk rock is what he called it and what period is that this was in the late sixties early seventies so he'd already toured quite a bit throughout out <hes> trinidad and tobago jamaica <hes> he's actually quite a big star there particularly among the chinese immigrant communities he thought that maybe the style l. chinese operatic singing the news bringing would would be annoying people you know he acknowledged that but that just sort of what he wanted to he wanted to bring these two different different musical approaches into conversation. Where was this music produced chummy little bit about the background of it so this song came about because steve steve was this performer he played a lot of hotel lounge shows <hes> wherever they were chinese immigrants he would. He would have a gig and he ended up in jamaica. The chinese benevolent evelyn association brought him out and he linked up with byron. Lee this famous chinese jamaican musician and together. They recorded this track. How did you first hear about him. After always together got on my radar <hes> i'd been carrying this show at the museum of china's america we found stephen chang's children and they told us about this band and his children had no idea about always together. It was youtube the youtube algorithm that served it to them on the sidebar <hes> one of his kids notice. I like stephen chang always together rock steady. He clicked on. It and he's like that's my dad. They had no idea they had no idea. They knew he'd gone jamaica. He'd spent time there and maybe even collaborated with local musicians but they didn't know he'd ever cut a rock city so louis clicking around on youtube all of a sudden you discover your that your dad was a was a a rockstar of some dimension. That's pretty cool. Let let's listen to butterfly lovers one of his signature love so finding what to the first time it i just couldn't help but hear the imperfections the accent there's some like ten slippages and yet it sounds so confident and sincere sincere and rave he's doing i mean things where he just sings louder and louder mourned lord incredibly corny but it kind of happy yeah he just sings with a kind of zeal so over the top and all of his music has this interesting depth the meaning because he's often trying to translate into english sometimes using in chinese chinese stories chinese figures chinese archetypes into into into this english style like the chinese romeo and juliet story the butterfly lovers. What's the tongue roll about that. That's the key move there. I think that's just a stephen chang signature music of the late stephen chang. He died in two thousand twelve. You can find while sue's article about jiang at new yorker dot com. I'm i'm david ramnik. Thanks for listening to the new yorker radio hour today. Have a great week. The new yorker radio hour is a co production of w._n._y._c. studios and the new yorker our theme music was composed and performed by merrill garbage of of tune yards with additional music by lexus quadra our team includes alex barron emily boutin avocado rian corby jill off karen filmon calia david krosno caroline lester louis mitchell and stephen valentino the health among fei chen and emily man the new yorker radio hour is supported in part by katrina endowment fund the new yorker radio hour supported by indeed dot com when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste you need help getting your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. 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154. The Great Debates Debate (w/ Christian Finnegan, Dustin Chafin, Gaby Alter)

Fake the Nation

1:21:41 hr | 1 year ago

154. The Great Debates Debate (w/ Christian Finnegan, Dustin Chafin, Gaby Alter)

"Hi, this is Nick wider, and this is an Campbell and we love video games. We love him so much. So why we decided to punish ourselves way playing the worst in weirdest games ever made to answer this, fundamental question. How did this get played if you ever experienced the agony disappointment of playing a terrible video game? This is the podcast. You've been waiting for. We've ruined games for ourselves. How did this get played is out now? Listen in Stitcher, apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank today, said episode one fifty four and. Also, the voice of frito Lay's commercial for barbecue chips. They wouldn't let me do that in a British accent, despite my repeated insistence, you were really can you can you repeat any of the copies. This is like. Something like how delicious delicious like something like that? I can't remember exact. Frito Lay's flavorful. Yeah. Look where I'll try to eat it out. It's embarrassing. Hello. This is based the nation where we talk about news. We talk about politics, and where we lament the fact that we're recording between the first and the second to bait. But I'm your host the game for Assad. And I'm here to tell you not to worry because we have like twenty seven years worth of more primary action, and we'll be reacting to all sorts of shit and growing old together before November twenty twenty today. We're gonna talk about first night, or Democrats. We'll also talk about the anti college movement, and we'll also talk about 'em how the British I'll banning sexist ads and they're doing it in an accent. I'm so excited by this panel. Look, they haven't done as many potato chip commercials, as I right? But excellent and known both of them for a bit here. You've seen him on HBO and on Showtime, his podcast is called a leave you with this to which I am a proud subscriber. I've seen him perform live, and it's just so fucking fun. It's so fuck fun. You guys Justin chafing. So happy to be here. And joining us again on the show. He is a matter fake the nation put he's a quite a young man. He is a two-time guest of the John McEnroe show. Nobody's been on so many fucking things. And in fact, by very first job was directing him in a comedy central thing. It was like, literally, my first ever real a real job in, in show. Business though it was the wash list like. Embarrassed. You guys remember that, right? Nobody remembers that also it was a pilot that never made it made it made it. He put the here's the bearing the lead here you guys because this man has a new album and it's called sixty percent joking, and it is currently available and I am so excited. And if you haven't seen a stand up you've made mistakes in your life, you guys. It's Christian Finnigan. Thank you, McCain. That is very, very kind intro. Nobody get the to an I tunes or a fuck in where else do people download download that's streaming do streaming. I think they should fuck in down. Well, here's the deal. If you don't want to download please do understand that, if you download it does gen- genuinely make the person more money does very clear about this like the scale of like a thousand. But if you are going to stream whatever I live in two thousand nineteen I get it just you don't even need to listen to it just click play on it. Then leave the room nude it. I don't care. I still get credit for you having streamed. But download it. Okay. Or talented and straight at like spending, noon. Trying to enrich Christian Finnegan is my whole point. Okay, I'm so excited. You guys you here. Thank you. And this in and like, let's get into it because I'm all helped up with topic number one. So we're in that limited space between night, one of the democratic debates and night. Two of those same debates. The fuck out of my studio. So we don't know how the second debate will paint app but we do know that there are a lot of candidates in the field. I mean, there's like a lot of Kansas field, although it's not enough to make a party like legitimately fun. And yet, it's like too many for a functional orgy. You know what I mean? It's like when you're in the small karaoke room and it's like too many people for the small room, but it would feel absurd in the giant ram, I gr- that's exactly what it is. But also or g I guess. Yes. I don't know how you do carry. Okay. So you guys seal play. I'm just adding languages to what was a language field evening. Accentless effective. Tell me just like your initial thoughts, dusted a terrified. I think you know, it's so interesting every time you know, Joe would talk, I would just get outraged come on this guy. I think he's gonna be the if, if he were to get the nomination, the only democrat democrat in history to lose New York like. Talking. I'm like sixty train, you know, like every time he would say something, and he dropped his son all the time. It's like shut up dude, we get it. Though I've been to Blasios apologised on this show or so. Stay goddamn, and, you know, I I'm I was on the, the Blasios train. And I mean I will vote for him again. Like I don't like, I'm course I'm. I thought he actually did fine in terms of, like, you know, when you're pulling it negative zero like you can just just throw haymakers say whatever, and I get that. I'm offended by the fact that he's running period, everything he says, I agree with. But there's nothing he saying that five other people wouldn't say there's nothing he's going to do that. Elizabeth Warren wouldn't do better, you know in. So why are you even running, you know when, when the mayor I can't go a year and a half fucking mayor? I said that about, like all of those candidates, basically, there's any one candidate doesn't need to fucking be running. You know, like Biden doesn't need to be running. Birdie doesn't need to like no one needs to fucking be running in such a crowded field. So I feel that way, but everyone and I feel like the intensity of that feeling towards the blood CO is unfair. But I mean I get it. He came into. I'm like look with the subway. It's his problem coaches state issue. It's so complicated the way the MTA works, and it's like something that's very difficult for him to controls. I'm such laws. Dobosnica fan. But I okay here's what who's his constituency who is the DuBois Zeo constituency progressive that I've said this before, universal pre-k. That's a real thing. Some sort of recognition problem if they don't see. A real. Okay. Okay. Forgetting to bless you who, like, I don't know. This is stupid one. I think probably Castro, Castro sting, absolute. I think he's the, you know, first of all, he kind of, was the only one kind of who left who got a scalp, essentially, you know, I, I agree that who one is a little silly ridiculous. But I was he's the one of that sort of second tier who elevated himself in made people be like, who's this guy and not annoying. What was it immigration particular because so for those of you did watch Castro had a little moment with Belo Rourke, and they both bend at woman? About immigratio n- and they, you know, the kind of went it was, like tents back and forth. And it was over whether or not to decriminalize crossing the border and. And you know, Castro thinks that it should be criminalized, and we'll work things they should be decriminalized for asylum seekers. Do you agree that, that Castro had a winning? Do. And unfortunately, I'm a huge Beddoe guy, and I think I think a lot of kind of respond to people that are kinda like us in a lot of ways from Texas. And he's in a punk band. I hate all that, you know, Texas stuff. So, I feel like I respond to him but he was so nervous. He didn't know what to do with his hands. He would just, you know he but I felt like later on. He figured things out. You know, but I think he's just one of those guys that like, you know it's gonna take him time but I think he's going to be an amazing candidate. One day. I just, he's a brawler and. There. He'll get sky. What he pushed a little after the Senate race. I think there was just there was no clear thing for him to do John Conrad doesn't think a chance against chance against cruise because everybody hates cruise. But it's like his great logo though. You know it just really. Yeah. Branding is amazing. Beyond say was a fan at some point. So you're gonna do. Yeah, no. I mean, I think okay here's my feelings about the debate I felt so good about the first night. And I'm so sorry to listeners that we're not gonna be able to talk about the second but I felt so good about this first night. I was I just felt like there was no personal attacks. There is. Everything was so classy, everyone was smart. There's not one person on the stage that I would be embarrassed for that person, even John Delaney fuck that guy. Not be anonymous, just like there wasn't one person that I'm like, I'm so ashamed, but he might be the one guy that could sway, maybe the red vote, a little bit 'cause you need a guy that's kinda like that. The business angle and everything. I, I know what you're saying. I just he's to me, like the democratic version of a Tim Poletti where it's just like okay. Yeah. He on paper he might make look like a centers candidate. But no one gives a crap that sort of just played to the middle like let's all just make tiny little tweaks to the way things of always been. That's kind of out the window. The name ID. He doesn't have that kind of he doesn't have anything about his own terribly charismatic, like, there's just nothing about him that Cory Booker. I feel like he's he was like the stage hog of the whole thing, and he spoke for the most minutes or whatever candidates com. Sexy shrek. He'd like okay, so I felt really good about the the night. And then I. I've been an Elizabeth. Warren fan thing was nurse us cabinet. She's my candidate, and they're she's also the candidate of anti in the control room. Apparently who's pumping her fist in the air. But I so I was just like, you know, I was very tuned into what she was saying because I didn't want her to mess up, and she didn't she's a pro and she, she does she has a plan for everything. I think it's which really what I put this out on Twitter like it's a little bit frustrating, people keeping like like so you are I will for the plan or what your panel, and she's like capitalize on that may t shirts like turned it into like a fun thing about her. But I also I'm like, why are we weirdly make why are we making this, like it's a weird thing. We should not be framing it that it's weird that she has a plan for everything everyone on the stage should in fact have a. Plan for everything or get out of my face. I'm not interested. Like what is your whole point in running for president? If you don't have a plan for everything. I just I I'm really not into these sort of plausible deniability candidate at this point that I'm going to be really big pagan, Fuzzy's than a general election. I don't have to walk anything back, which is the way, I feel a lot can it's, it's I would rather just somebody digging, her heels and say, this is what I stand for. I know exactly where she stands on pretty much every, and I know why she's running. I know what her what her Raizal is which is nonsense. I can say for a lot of candidates, even some of the ones that I really respect people. I don't haven't really seen a concise narrative for this is what I wanna do more than just like be a progressive, and I really like her. And but I wanna like her more, but being a member of Choctaw nation from Durant, Oklahoma. With the twenty three and me it really kinda soiled. I mean my grandfather, you know, lived us eleven reservation, so I'm I don't need a test, you know, to claim my tribe, and I felt like that lesson helped a lot. It helped me kind of like see that we do need somebody that's going to get stuff done. But at the same time, it's like the wishy interacted. With Trump about that whole thing, just really unfortunately, I'm like the average American where it takes more than just, you know, great politics to Alexa, though. I mean, you know, and this is where I, I wouldn't say, I give Trump credit but it's just like his shock and awe campaign of utter incompetence and stupidity has made it so that he can. More embarrassing than Elizabeth Warren Twenty-three in meeting every day. Day short worse than that. But because she had this one flood this one thing that she played badly that's a brand on her that she has to spend the next year and a half, trying to, to, to rub off this an I wonder is there something she could say that would clean that up for you. I think she could, you know, go out of her way to, to help those people. You know, and you know. The native Americans are just we're just an afterthought. I feel like it. Nobody, you know, is trying to help these people. And every every problem that needs to be fixed in America's is doubled on a reservation with poverty, and education, and, you know, healthcare, those things you know, they're just trailer parks that are just, you know, in the middle of nowhere, that nobody's really protecting people are like you know what got the casinos now they don't there's like six guys that have the casinos that money's not being flushed back into the tribe. So I, I mean she could go out of her way to help, you know, just kind of that campaign towards these certain tribes, that really it'd be interesting, if she did make it through the primary, like, would she want to put a lot of focus on helping the American community as a way of sort of penance or whatever. Or would you just not want even go near it just to like where she comes back on the headdress like? War paint drum. Okay. What did you guys think of Jay Inslee single issue candidacy? He's the first to do everything, no fear that I hope women, the I like everything was the first for hilarious. Governor has had executive experience in a way that a lot of the Canas onstage. Didn't you know? So I feel like that. You know, there there was the truth to that. Choose thing was a little weird. Yeah, I agree. First of all, I didn't realize it was a massive dude. He's huge like, like us almost as tall as the Blasios in like built like a linebacker just so small that he looks that might be. He wasn't a Jim Henson creation, but. I mean I in a nineteen ninety four nineteen Ninety-six presidential election, somebody like Jay Inslee checks all the boxes like visually in terms of looks like a politician and all that. And I actually think he's pretty, you know, some of his climate stuff is pretty radical or whatever. But I think for a lot of people, whether you won't say it's good or bad. They kinda see somebody like Jay Inslee, and they're like, yeah, yeah. We've had you already. We've done you. Yeah. I was like, again was born is my candidate. But like I was I was like, you know, this is the single issue. This is the single issue. And this is the thing we should all be voting on, you know, so whoever your candidate is, if they don't have a fucking really hard core environmental policy. Ditch them. You know. I feel like if that's going to be his role in the race is just to remind everybody of that. I'm happy he's doing it and maybe literally just it. We started running in two thousand sixteen hit most of he was running mostly as a ballast to try to drag Hiller left, it was only when he actually people started to buy into it, that I mean, maybe I'm, I'm I don't think he had any thought that he was going to get as close as he did when he started his campaign seemed like a new the Trump. I don't think anybody had a sense of humor last night. How did you have? I mean, how I mean I mean definitely humor Obama had a sense of humor. I'm just saying. It's not a funny time, but it is a time of charisma does get votes and you do they're not all like you were. You're on top of everything the most of America just needs. They want, you know, somebody that can they wanna listen to listen to like funny moments and stuff like that? It's the little bit of charisma like a minute of that, although I think all altogether. Apparently mean everybody. Story. Yes. Salad. My sell it with a comb to me is awesome. That's a pretty fucking resources. Pragmatic way. I. I don't know. She seems like a go getter man. I mean, she seems like does you know, like a work ethic, you know, leader. Warn for me. I don't know. She just feels like that each trysted more of a politician, just like I don't know. Get stuff done a Hillary type, you know. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. I it's, it's, it's, it's interesting because I worry that saying Hillary type for anybody is bad. But it was interesting with three women on the stage. Tulsi Gabbard was one of them. Did she make any waves for you guys? I will say that, you know, I have a real bone like I, I'm not a fan of hers, mostly just because I in again, some of it is because I think our online fans are such douchebag like Twitter contingent, and that's something I've got to get out of my head, and also that she has not a great pass LGBT issues and things like that. But she she is clear like like you understand where she stands, which I do appreciate, you know, she was when it comes to. Danny chugging a little bit like, you know, the reference of like lately, mentioning her service, which is I think that's even though it is ridiculous. Danny Chung, and it has been satire satirize I think that she needs to differentiate herself. And everyone can walk away from that debate being like she's the one who served a clear is going to do the same thing tonight. And she has an awesome little storm. Mex- men, little you'll streak I always think that's quite kind of or. Look great. She looked best. She definitely like presented. Can I just my one sexist because obviously men all just word navy blue suits. It's boring whenever and so a feel kind of ridiculous to make fun of the way women dress or whatever. But I will say after watching Elizabeth Warren for last few months, she dresses, like the human resources director on the starship enterprise, and now that you have in your head, you'll never be able to see it's killed Hillary, but specifically about the starship enterprise was there an HR director, but she, she looks like like an office worker in space. Blacktop and the black pants. And then this jacket. That's not really quite a jacket you ever seen before. It's the collars are really short, and the, the sleeves only actually traditional native American. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Well. Do you made fun of your own candidates now fit? And I would just like to point that out. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens tonight. I mean, do you think to everyone's talking about tonight's debate is like, more of the what is it who thinks the best under sixty? That's really what I'm looking for who's the best person. I'm okay. Got you really just I don't get a little bit of an ages. I feel like we need to stop doing that. I do. I really feel that that's. For under sixty from Cory, Cory. Yeah, I mean I it's interesting because Julian Castro, I did have a moment. But like it didn't suit land for me as much I guess as did for a lot of people, I think Cory Booker probably made made impacting. I was reminded when I very first heard of him years ago that he was living in project in the projects in Newark. I was like, that's interesting. Bring that up at all. Glad because that's fucking unusual people don't do that. People don't like try and maintain a connection to their community in that way. And he really is. And I think that's admirable that we lived in his neighborhood. Did he? Kind of I mean on a race on stay, but it was still in the neighborhood. Yeah. Three of this box. So yes, so we'll see what happens today. I mean do you guys have any predictions about, like who will be the first drop out bore? You know, I feel like five people should drop out from last night. Not because they're so embarrassingly bad. But just because it's like come on, man. There's going to be a fatigue that sets in, if some of these people don't drop just lost you. Yeah, I just lost you get back to New York. Got the metro cards and Tim Ryan. No. I'm I'm, I'm good with you guys. Thank you for your time. We will get back to you, Tim Ryan. Looks like he's just shot up like a neighborhood like he's schedules. Is that I just me? He reached me out out to me. He looks like a kid in one of those father son switching movies. Do you know what I mean where he's actually like an eight year old inside that body? And now he's on the stage is totally nurses. You know what I'm supposed to who am I going to? Oh, it's terrible. Because what we really want out of candidates are really good actors, of course, and it's just not gonna Tim Ryan. I kinda get I understand the argument. But I I get annoyed by those Democrats, like we gotta stop being the party of the coast. The elites in the college educators to first of all, okay, does reminder, Tim Ryan from Ohio. Yeah, but, but it's like we're people too, you know. Grew up on the east coast and people who like irrelevant population of American never going to out dumb Trump. That's not gonna happen. So embrace who you actually are, which is nowhere. People who care in our engaged in aren't just because basically, with white people just also never been a fan of regionalism. I I'm like where everyone is just as American as everyone everyone stops this, this is ridiculous in the same breath. I'm from Texas and everybody just, you know, wraps us up in a big red bow and says, you know, we have no compassion for people and we're not educated and things like that. So it's like I feel Texas and places like Oklahoma. And Alabama even with all the stuff that's happening. Still people in those places that one, a better America, that's not biased. And all that stuff. So, yeah. I just think I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, there's many different types of people in every part of America code colors. Good clothes. You know what we're gonna do. We are going to move on to a special segment that we're calling topic number. So okay, you guys this is a very special little segment here. You guys have heard me say this man's name for a hundred and fifty four episode news time you thought it was a woman. You guys sitting with the Gumby alter the man behind our seem music, or interstitial music. And I know a lot of you love it. Because a lot of you emailed me about this music, and I'm so proud of it. And I love that. This is our theme music. And I love the people. Love it. I'm so happy about that. And what you don't know, is it being of worship together owing on for so long don't data's gob. We it for so long, but we have worked together for the movie like we did my first movie ever ever core rising. We, you also wrote music for the Muslims. Couple things you wrote music for third street. Blackout you, you say all the scores but I scored it. Yeah. All right. What are you let me over credit, you gob source? We wrote a musical called the Israeli Palestinian conflict, or we had a comedy. Eventually come back to New York, and we'll see it who lives in New York. And then the rest of the country will come to New York. Totally okay. So we go away fucking back and I'm so excited album now but before you tell me about that album that everyone will immediately run in download I want you to weigh in on our issues. So quickly just you're gonna give your lightning round your musician. What do you know? What do I know about anything other than very little if history? Springsteen knows stuff. I'm not a year. No. Bruce. You know what I love you more than Bruce Springsteen? Gobbly. What did you think about the democrat the first night of democratic debates who won for you? Who can't I don't have a TV? But I did read the like the following a hate about you. But anyway, I did read like the follow up. Yeah. Lights and sounds like Warren did. Well, yeah, she had a strong first half and then everyone said she faded. Although it sounds like they just asked her a bunch of questions in the beginning, and then didn't ask her questions middle and the anti what it was because they were like, oh, we gave her too much. Okay. Whoever the fuck is saying that she didn't fade everyone shut the fuck up. I'm so I'm not interested in that kind of. That's also like real like E entertainment coverage. Entertainment was like we're in looking smashing. Totally relevant guys and also Sex's. No. But she, she said that she started off and said this thing about how the, the economy's doing well, but not forever. Not for most people. And tell you feel that's true. It it's. Good job guys. You you've made this an incredibly great academy for like seven wealthy. Yeah. So that's not great. And so she pointed that out, and that was great. And then she came up with she came on strong with the whole health care for all thing, which I, personally, I made to it. Well, I don't know yet, actually I mean, I like her in Bernie's positions the best, and I like the guy who's his only thing is. I said, I talked I said the same thing because like the payroll. He's right. He's right. And also is the only issue and for some reason, like he was the only one that talked about it last night, right there was that's why I read, I don't know. But I read that. Talking about it. But I mean obviously. Here's a strongest okay? What do you think about the anti college movement? Well, did you like going to college had mixed feelings about it in which is now this is public knowledge, but I mean, there were really good things about college, and I also thought there were some really weird things about I think there's I think there's just weird stuff about look. I mean college is this important? I guess bridge like in the class. Yeah. In the class system. It's like how you move up the class ladder, yet, although not necessarily anymore. Right. And now everyone's in debt, I mean, I think if you've ever if everybody were not in debt problem. We're not in. But I think also. What I read about these alternative institutions that there? They're sort of addressing this problem at college doesn't really it's getting more specialized, apparently in very sort of, like practical oriented, but doesn't address like why your Gat learning things. And I think that's valid. I mean, I think also probably there are still colleges that do I mean my college Wesleyan was all about. Like, you know, you have to look in into the past and the present and understand what the meaning of life is and the future. So, so I think they're probably still colleges doing that. And then there's probably colleges that aren't at K that's addressing that void got it. I yeah, I kind of like minded, so. Yeah. Like you anyway. All right. Well, what do you think of the case with this this'll end up being our last topic listeners, don't know this yet, we're just priming that prime? A little teaser. What are your thoughts on the ban on sexist ads in the UK? It's funny because one of the articles couple Arctic's were so mad. They're like this is not the way to solve it. First of all, nobody ever got sex is looking into nad sick involved. Like, we're, we're smart people don't dumbest down by being a nanny state, and I'm like, first of all, there's plenty of research that shows that ads and, and pop culture. Absolutely do influence, people's, sexist, attitudes and raises all that stuff. So no, we swear. I forgot the shit. This is nice, but no, but I think honestly, that's that is a load of crap that like those things don't really deeply Infos people now what to do about that. Should you outlaw ads? I don't know. I mean I kind of feel like little first amendment. Constitutionally for America. I think for America. It's like it's kind of interesting. I think it's an interesting experiment. Yeah. I think this, I think this, like, I think it'd be cool if states like there were like enough, people lobbied, you know, to get stuff pass the that you had to you had to you had to look at stuff like that. I don't know. I mean as a year fucking musician what the fuck do you know you know what I mean? The day. Okay Gaba him so hard about your album called. And how can people get it? It's called. Yes Gabriel, and that is the name of sir my singer-songwriter project because I do other stuff like right. Music for you for your movies, musicals, gay musicals guys, not musicals as everyone. I say, you know, you meet people it's like oh, have you written anything? I've heard of. No because he anyone's only ever heard of Hamilton. No, I mean, people. There could be like oh, did you right? Bye, bye birdie. No idea. I know I bet the people from come from away. Like did you write anything yet, come from away? It won all of the Tonys, and it's like a huge and they're like come from away. Interesting. Is it like Hamilton? No, it's not like Amilton. Yeah. It's, it's a tough thing to be in that business. And nobody's so tough limited we've had together in that business. Extremely difficult. Crazy. But anyway. Yeah. Done. I've just Gabriel is the singer songwriter thing. And I just did it mostly at home. I recorded which makes his only would sound bad. But now I spend so much time on it. And I had good musicians. Also gobbly has access to literally all of the best singers and musicians all of New York. So that's so there. But then I played a lot of the instruments mice, because you're a fucking polymath ridiculous. Human being really, like lick really, really one of the most alad musicians I've ever ever met and I live in New York medal out of musicians, I'm in the art, so that's saying a lot, I would like it to be a compliment that everyone takes to heart so that they download this album. That would be. That would be. We're actually going to play a solid at the end of the episode. What's the song called? It's called fall asleep at K fall asleep. So we're gonna play that song. And then gobbly where can they see you perform? I'm going to be doing a record release party. If you haven't to live in New York, at Rockwood, musical stage two, which is Louie side. And we're playing July tenth at eight pm Rockwood music hall, July tenth, you guys. Yes gabriel. Yes. Gabriel's the name of the album. 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So let's talk about the growing anti college movement. But I did you guys go to college in? Would you feel about that choice, sort of went to college art school? It's kind of like college, we wrote, maybe three papers schools that Parsons. Oh, yeah. So, you know, it had the under the umbrella of education, but he's just a lot of, you know, just throwing paint on the canvas and being goofy and run around New York. Well, but I needed it, though. Yeah, I college for me was, it was a weird how I ended up. You know, I was I met a girl in high school. That was a Mormon. And so this whole thing I was just like a, you know, and I go to the navy, and then I chose to be a Mormon missionary over joining the navy. And so I was missionary Mormon church and went to South America despite have not grown up as no no, no. It was a girl in high school total. Pretty pretty from Utah at happens every time turn someone Mormon. Yeah. And I was the short sleeves. I did with the name tag, the bike. Yeah. And I very poor student, very poor student. And so what happened was. You do this mission. You go on a mission for the Mormon church. They'll help you kind of afterwards in got me into this junior. College in rexburg, Idaho 's kind of like the junior BYU, and so is able to get my grades up and kind of, like, you know, figure out how to be a student, and then I was able to transfer to Parsons, which is a dream, my dream school and here in Manhattan. I had to go through this basically, manipulate people into this religion, which would help me become a good student, and get into college. So worth it. It was the so you were there for two years. And then in the new, it's were you a Mormon. Are you still? So you are Mormon just for those four years. Mormon for about six years, six source to, let's say a year before about, you know, couple years after so this New York, most circuitous, and interesting path to college. It was the weird. Yeah. Yeah. It was the weirdest thing. And then now you, you went to your dream school and you loved it. I did I loved art school since because I didn't know you know, we're artists now. So I'm sure we all had a different pet, but I just I what I like about colleges just learning interact with people and just, you know, finding yourself and whatever, and yeah, I don't know. I think it's not for everybody, I don't think colleges, but nobody pushed me in the right direction. I had to find that in college helped me kind of find what direction I wanted to go Christian. What was your experience? I went to a very tiny boutique school called New York University. Really intimate small sizes. Yes, I was a tiff school of the arts jar. But yeah, I mean I I loved college not true. I didn't I liked I needed for me. You know, college meant something, I don't I do think that we've kind of been pushed into idea that everyone should go to college. And I think that's what you're seeing people rebel against. So I'm spending hundred twenty thousand dollars for what you know, for me. I really like college. I, I went to a performing arts school for my last two years of high school. And so I had already lived in a dorm for two years. And so I didn't really want the whole campus thing. And so for me and why you was great because it was kind of, like I was already living in the city lived in a dorm for three semesters in, in college. But then I just lived in an apartment and, you know, I got I loved my classes I don't have any love for NYU institution. Like I would never give them a dollar ever inch. How inch bird? And do you like do you have any regrets? Well, when I was doing a lot of colleges as a comedian. Sometimes I would go to one of those campuses with the quad and all that. And I would think to myself like, oh, this could have been a fun way to fuck around for four years because, you know, it is a little different when you're just living in the east village. And you know it's not quite the same college experience. But now I think I mean I probably maybe would've done like a year abroad, and I do think that maybe it would have been since I knew I was going to end up in New York. I wish that maybe I'd gone somewhere else, just to experience different. Town. I had a compared to you guys a totally classic college experience. You know, I went to undergrad I went to Cornell the grad school, I went to Columbia, had that urban grad school experience, but then but undergrad was very much the quad the frisbees the like you know. That I was playing frisbee, but just that I think it's Colombia's a little bit. Like I always a little. We have the we had the quad a little enclosed campus. Many, many campus compared to Columbia really compared to Cornell, like, really small, like Cornell is like this buke big beautiful really old Bill? I mean it's just like it's a Dilip really beautiful and, you know, and I think having done that like academically just rigorous. And I mean compared even to Columbia, like I feel like I got so much. Like support and attention from professors, and they were all there for you, and you could get any kind of what you needed anytime like it was just fully resourced. It was I I'm the kind of person that liked totally wants my kids go to court. And like, and I have a hard time with the idea of like a kid, not going to college. You know, I'm I'm so entrenched, and I was a kid. I mean, I was just I hell bent on going to an Ivy league school in heaven, you know. And I did that. And I, I'm so entrenched, the idea that college is a is a net. Good for people. The idea of this anti college movement. I think is is, is I don't know. I makes me a little sad. I guess it makes me said, too, but, you know, things do change. And also, I mean when I look back at like my favorite books in the books. I still think about that the factor into my life. You know, you know, philosophy type stuff or plays that really meant a lot to me. Most of them were stuff I read in college in so forty six now and the fact that I'm still thinking of books that are read when I was twenty that tells me the college meant a lot to me. But, you know we didn't have the internet. We didn't have online capabilities to find the stuff out on her own everything is in flux in changing. And so the idea that college just be sort of fixed amber, that this is what it is, especially for people who you know, when our parents were growing up, it's like a college diploma to our generation, is what a high school diploma was, it's sort of like the Muslim the minimum you need now to apply for a job. And that seems ridiculous. If you want to be an accountant, you can go to trade school and learn how to be account. Right. I also I think the focus should be before college when it comes to education this country, and I don't think people pay attention to students enough. You know, like if you see when you catch a kid, spray painting, something on the wall, maybe encouraged that kid to go to art. You know you catch the class. Clown in the back, maybe take him an open, Mike, you know, like this things that we can develop early and children, instead of force him because I, you know, the, the idea of math would make me sweat, but I was good at painting and other things. So it's like I think we should really focus on what kids are good at. And if you know, and like, kind of there was a show that came out, it was like a reality show, it was a horrible show, but they had all these young children, and it was kind of a Lord of the flies kind of thing. They put them in this on FOX, it was like four episodes, and they put him on, like a little western town, and they just basically kinda just to see what they would end up doing how they structure a government and how they would like old were young. They went off real quick. Yes, some fine in the corner, and there'd be one bully kid that was like, I'm going to change this, and they would figure out how to eat and, how did his whole, but it's interesting to find out what it kids good at. And really, I think that's what we're what we need. More mentor mentors in this country. Also just say so a lot of my family's any Rana's people know a lot. And I spent a lot of time living in France. It's not a big deal. And so you're still said Silviu play. So. And I. So I, I encountered a lot of people who like the fact that they did calculus in high school was a given. It's not like like like for me to do it, it was like I was in the Napier clash. There was a bet. I worked really hard, you know what I mean? But like it wasn't a standard in where I went to high school for, like people to end up doing calculus, but it was totally standard every high school student in Iran is like doing high level math in France. They're doing. I mean their education up until high school is amazing. They're so much better prepared for once they this every kidney Ron, or is there any, like, I don't know like as the Asli I have no idea. But, like I just know from like the middle class and lower middle class, family members that. I have they're just ridiculously better prepared graduating from high school than I felt like I was or that my. Ears were tiger parent mentality at it's just culturally expected for you to do. Well, it's just so much more cultural expanding Ron, I dunno and France, I think it's a little more, you know, it's, it's different but in Iran is just like there isn't a like, hey, you better. Do your homework like people are just doing their homework. I mean they don't need to be forced into it. And so I think part of the thing with, with us is that, you know, college actually does have a huge effect because high school isn't having as much of an effect as it could. And so maybe that's there's something there. So there's this movement of these communitarian pragmatists schools that, where basically it's like liberal arts for the mind labor for the body, an ethos of secular monasticism for the spirit. Quoting the your article on the ecology movement and. So it's like there's, you know, and they'll one minute they might read Plato, the next minute. They might read something about labor movements, you know, and then the next minute, they might be plowing fields. And they're these, you know, some, some of them are functioning like a year abroad, kind of thing. Some of them are, you can get called credit. Some of them are just a gap year type of program. What do you think about these types of program? You know, your, your joke is like true like that will get you a job, whatever. But I do think that there's probably some use into that does seem to be like, all right. How do we actually create a good adult as opposed to just funnel them through the sort of system? We've always done like rather than read this ten books that everybody reads, or, you know, how do we I it does seem like kind of creative approach to the what the end result is, like, how do we create adults are going to be like sense, eight, but, like know how to do stuff, but aren't, you know, just it's also we're thing because rubs? Yeah, I feel like a broken system, sometimes elevates people to achieve things. So it's, you know, it's like my, you know, my family, not wanting to do something would make me want to pursue that. So it's like this weird thing where it's like you don't know what are you gonna end up the perfect education? The perfect structure may not help that person if they don't have versity against it. And you know, and we'll you're saying about trade schools, who what millennials going to want to be a plumber. Meanwhile, that's what's gonna make you way more money than acute job. Yes. Actually going to be around carpenters and things. I mean well, I mean struck on how to be an influence, and then maybe it's crazy. How many I you know, maybe this is just old person talking? But it's like I think that for like young white people, they think that influence is just a giant field that anyone can join like the same way, they would say, like like kids growing up in the projects would say, I'm gonna play in the NBA one day, you know, there's only like fifty of those jobs. Right. It's like. It's like. It's crazy. How many people in line like just are they think influence? That's, that's what my career is going to be funny. I try to be a big brother be part of the big brother organization, and they, they saw my stand up and send they said, I wasn't deemed like the suitable to like, encourage a youth because of my stand up because I had some edgy stuff online or something. And I was I was more. I was mortified really devastated because I don't wanna have children. But I wanted to, you know, getting because some dirty jokes, they don't show time. I couldn't believe it. It was unbelievable. Still mad about it. Hopefully pissed. I mean it's interesting because I part of these, like weird farms style schools that are growing in popularity around the country. One of them's called like the way finder cat wifi ending academy and the ready academy. Whatever. I think part of them is that they're offering you know, they're not being so. Prescribed in the curriculum. So, like if you have a freshman survey course, on philosophy in you'll go through the ten philosophers that everybody goes through, and like that's what you know, and they're like trying to break that mold. And but part of me is a little bit like you know, they're still not learning a wage earning nothing. There's still nothing practical about what they're doing there might be something pradic- practical in the physical labor that they're going through like with the farm, work and stuff like that. But in Jenner again, like, you know, metallurgy and plumbing, and in those kind of practical, skills are not. You know what's happening quote in that times article, it said, you know, we don't want to, you know, something very perfect. But. Anyway. That we, we wanna break the idea that of college students is just being future wage earners, which I understand that they want to the in their mind. They're kind of saying the opposite of what we're saying is like, you know, going to college is not just about, like how will I venture -ly, enter the capitalist system and make money? But, you know, great that you're, you're creating these wonderful human beings who, who can kind of see a holistic view of the universe. But do you see how far that gets you actually after college? There does have to be some nod to here's how you will survive and pay for food that you put in your mouth. No, exactly like I mean, we are supposed to be raising future wage earners. Is that to also there's, you know, when we're trying to address a question like what is my purpose? And what does it all mean like some of these kind of alternative things are really trying to dress, those questions? I don't care like I like I want to be a positive force in your community and productive force in your community. We do need embrace them more, because I feel like there's a condescension that happens with the liberals and stuff like where I come from. And I it's okay to have a regular job. So you don't have to look out on. We look at it every job as a day job. You know. And it's hard for me. And I think there's condescension going on in both ways, like, you know, for someone like me. I don't get fulfillment out of domestic type stuff that's just not where I get my rocks off whereas, a lot of people's I works that I can enjoy my family and my kids in all those things, and I respect that, that's just not were, you know where I get my rocks off? Shit. I had a point now gone. All right. You. Well. Through through our time. So we're just going to end it there. But I'm so curious what people think about the anti college movement, because it's not only anti college. It's like don't go to college also maybe go to these alternative colleges farms and areas, just very quickly Monday Wednesday Friday. It's you and your universe and how to be a better person Tuesday and Thursday. It's here's how to make some money. Christian just founded a university, and yeah. That sounds fucking great. Although I still want my kid to just go to a traditional. Squat frisbee, I want all of that shit. Don't do standup comedy. Full. I very much want progeny, who is not interested in the arts. So that's my little dream. Okay. Let's hope she's not creative. Crayon down put it down. Later. All right. You guys. Springing this on you because I just suddenly feel really terrible with about this next topic number c. Rule quick, just a couple minutes here. Donald Trump with is being accused of rape from nineteen ninety six by women name aging Carol. She was like an advice columnist, I think, and in it's weird because it came out the news broke like last Friday, kind of got a little bit of attention. Not really Trump said, come on. She's not my type I think that was his response to it. But I don't even know it kind of didn't get traction. And now I feel we're that it hasn't gotten traction. And so anyways, just like quick reactions to this thing. I know I know I know not his type to rape like saying was. Is a big lawn. It says a lot about all of us, and I myself in this that we all, I think a lot of people had that sort of idea of like, well, this isn't gonna go anywhere. So why are we gonna like you know, because you can just see you can see how it will play out in. That's I'm not I'm not justifying that, but really, it made me feel sad for myself, 'cause I can't pretend that all the sudden you've got enraged herb more not, not, not. Or just that I that I couldn't immediately see how it's going to play out in my head, you know, with the grab the pussy thing you thought that was the end when that happens that was, you know, there's no ways elected after that. And then if it's been one thing after another after another after another. And then it just to made the deal with the devil have made good deal and they're in for a pound, you know. You know. I just I know that's I think the same problem. I mean, the thing that I experienced just the same of like, oh, this is not gonna nut this doesn't matter like it's not gonna matter it matters to me it matters to lie. But I've already I've already been angry about all of the women that have, you know what I mean? And it's hasn't, so it just feels. A little bit helpless to me all can do for me in a sort of positive way like all right. Well, maybe I'll phone Bank a little harder next time. You know, like if nothing else maybe it'll just make me, you know, don't donate a little bit more of my time to in twenty twenty you know. Other than that. I don't know what to do about that. Yeah. All right. Well, let guys let me know. I don't I don't know. I just felt like we had to say something. And rewrite the mere fact that you know it feels not like an afterthought. But it feels almost like a like a coldest of a conversation just shows what a sad state to total. I don't wanna be. No. It's horrible. I feel nomin. I'm also angry. No angry at the same time, okay? Let us move onto topic. Number three. The UK passion, new law banning Sex's ads. So, basically, the ladies can't be the only ones vacuuming or men can't be shown as having no idea how to change a diaper or like hot bitches. Can't be depicted on an ad to get you to buy a weight loss. Product. These are the types of regulations that are now in place in the UK wooded. You guys think of this new this ban. Dum dum to failure. Sex sells crazy. I don't how do you enforce something like this? Like I don't I just I mean, they have a board who will be looking at every ad and saying, whether or not it can go. I mean, there will they haven't enforcement mechanism. It's funny my girl, and I leave, we've been watching madman lately catching up, and she hadn't seen it and it's just it's amazing all the manipulation that they did to try to, you know, sell cigarettes and convince people and things I don't know. I think I don't like it. When I see an ad and the dad's always dumb, like I feel that offends me a little bit. Always like the woman knows everything. And then the in the dad's like, well, I don't know whatever she wants. You know there's a lot of that happening. But when it comes to I mean when I was a kid movie, Michael Keaton, Mr. mom saw that up. But I feel that was it. And it was funny because at that time, it felt outrageous that the man would clean the house and take care of the kids and do all the thing. And obviously, but won't thing that was good about it is it really showed how hard it is. And like he was looking he couldn't pull it off is like I was just like a last minute, and he's trying to get all the help from all the people in the neighborhood, like it was showed how difficult it is to raise a family. But I don't know when it comes to advertisement. I don't think we're going to be able to do that in America. Because it's, it's so complicated. Because I think the argument I, I read a couple of like conservative reactions to the law this, this one columnist. I mean, I think he's a conservative. I don't know. His name is George Harrison and it was in spiked. That's one of their little itty bitty papers over there. Five being. So demeaning to? UK. It says the what adverage do is put women off becoming scientists, or convince men that it's okay to leave all the cleaning to their wives. The point. I think the trying to make is that an advert knock going to convince you to do you know be or not be a scientist. What do you think of that argument? Do these advertisement to have an effect on us in a way are we giving these advertisements more credit than they deserve? I don't know you know, when it comes to like weight loss, and then you see a woman in a bikini. You know it's. You know, I think I think dove and things like that. The over the years, they, you know, try to say that, you know, not all bodies have to be this way, you know. So I don't think think the way we look at things as a personal thing. But I think if, but if seeing some woman in a bikini helps you maybe lose a few pounds and it's like you aspire to that, as long as it's not in a sick way. I don't think it's a horrible thing. I don't know. And it's I mean, you know, there is that whole, you know, if you see it, you can be idea, or I just don't first of all, I don't like anything that feeds into conservatives sort of, martyr complex, or of, like, you know, the Orwellian state telling us how to live like just, you know, to me, I don't know. I just don't think it's effective. And also, I think the whole idea of this, this putting a lot of emphasis on TV ads feels very twenty years ago. You know, that's really not how advertising affects us affects our Paris. It's in me to a degree, but I don't think if you're twenty four years old, whatever the TV ads are like, you know, your, your advertise to in your market to a much more granular individual level. Now with, you know, Facebook ads and things like that, you know, things that are actually geared towards you, particularly. Yeah. Yeah, I just don't think it just seems like a silly. It seems it seems like it's not going to help a lot and it has the potential of just being painted with such brush. It will be the punching bag of every quote unquote, free speech douchebag online in England. You know, right right to no reasonable, I guess I will push back on that which is to say that. I think when you're living in this is it's different for in different parts of the country. I think when you're in a driving city, you know, you might see billboards and stuff like that. And even if you're not even those things aren't working on you die. Recklessly. If you're like, I don't you know, I'm not moved by billboards are working on your subconscious, and in New York City, you're, you know, there's so much stimulus. You're seeing ads all the time whether or not you fully register what you're even seeing, but you're seeing them on buses, you're seeing them on calves. You're seeing in the subway. You know, you're seeing them and posters around the city, you're seeing mannequins in windows, you're singing, you're seeing a lot of stuff all the time. And so I do think in a big city context. You are like subject to a lot of ads in an old school way that you that you may or may not like fully register in the only reason I realized that I was registering them in some way, is that because I think it may have meant who was. On the has before I went to Cuba. I have a sport. You guys Kouba and Cuba. And the and I remember few days in, they don't have storefronts riser not like sullen very much. They have no ads because they're not selling anything. They have murals of Che Guevara, and a few days in my time in Cuba. I just also being around Cubans who I felt didn't have body shame. I since and I don't know obviously I was just a tour is what the fuck do. I know. But I sincerely felt like the women their warrant constantly criticizing themselves over their bodies. And I and I a few days in started feeling just like weirdly good about myself. And I was like I am not comfortable with this feeling like this, just like I to compare myself to some hot bitches. Mmediately. This is not normal, like walk good-looking person. What's happening, right? And I and I was like, oh my God. And it hit me like a ton of bricks I hadn't seen a hot lady selling mascara a hot lady, we sell an outfit, a hot lady selling a fucking plunger, I hadn't seen that in, like three or four days in my fucking brain calmed, down, and the constant comparisons. We make it just in the year Ning for stuff calmed down. Like I think we see things and we yearn for those things even if our rational mind is like, you know, I don't need that face highlighter or whatever, like you still you're some animalistic thing of I want that to a year Ning develops. And when you're not seeing those things, though, yearning. Ng dies. And it is remarkable what you could do in how calm, are you can feel without all of those feelings running around in your subconscious. So I think ads do matter. Beautiful. That all totally. But I just feel like there is such a thing as lived reality. You know, the whole dumb dad thing, you know, the woman cleaning up while the guy just sits there, whatever what's, well, that's kind of my relationship with my wife. I mean it's like the reality is, she cleans up shit that I don't think needs to be cleaned up sometimes, and we kind of do fall into those very cliche roles where she's like, you know, like huffing and grabbing something like that. I could've brought that into the kitchen next time I got up this clearly means more to you than it does to me. You know, amateur Byner shoes? So it's conventional. The bag. Baby. But it is interesting when everyone's attractive, if you don't know if you've been in place like Sweden, but I remember being in Sweden, and that was uncomfortable in another way, because we went to McDonald's, and there was like this. Beautiful ten just dropping fries. What? You could be a model of my country. Like what do you do? I will say, not necessarily like beautiful, but this, this sort of a racially awkward moment for me when I went to I was in Australia for a month and you see. Always international crew. I wasn't on walkabout. I was working. But it was strange for me, seeing all of these low income jobs being done by white people. Oh, yeah. Shit. That's made me feel very hyper aware of how much I take that for granted that, that certain cultures. Certain jobs are for certain races in America. And it made me. It made me more. Attuned to it here when I got back for sure. Yeah. And so, so these are all things that are working on the way we perceive shit and that, you know, that matters right. Like you're only if you're only seeing, let's say, people of color, working in food service in New York City, that's going to work in your young kid that's going to work on your subconscious in a way. So that maybe add could counter that or maybe I don't know like ads showing a scientists of color or something like that could be with us. Interesting about Hamilton shows like that, where they different as hardware. I'm trying to sell shovels. Okay. I don't I'm not trying to change the world. I'm trying to sell shovels woman in a bikini shovel. Are you guys? I don't know let me know what you think of these this new band of ads in the U K, I find it fascinating. And it does feel like a by the way, that this these kinds of laws exists, in other countries Belgium Norway have similar similar laws to varying degrees. So anyways, let me know what you think. I'm so curious you guys. That's the end of the show. How do you feel and show? Join it. I as every time I go every time I do the show. I spend the last ten seconds, looking back or anything on the show that I have to regret having said. 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