19 Episode results for "John Louis"

04 | School rules

The Parenting Spectrum

26:03 min | 1 year ago

04 | School rules

"This is an ABC podcast. And little family would call it names. Isam lonely my school yard. So it's like, yes, we believe in inclusion we want the best for your children, which just think the best is in someone else's school yard. So we look around for someone else's school yard always. Okay. Whereabouts. Tackle a big topping on the parenting spectrum education had a foreign the raw school for key to my learn differently. And what successful inclusion really looks like why so many parents of autistic children in up home schooling. Grevy school bag. Giradi down through like a lot of parents. We seem to spend a lot of time talking and thinking about schools when patch was full. We started visiting schools to find the places same brought Fahim it needed to be safe and welcoming and understanding of the way he learned one school had gates, which were always open. So we worried about his safety and another one had fifty five kids in two teachers in an open classroom, which wouldn't have worked and another one. Well, it just didn't feel like it was going to push him a Damocles so stepped up and high school I've been teacher for most of my working life. So I had the experience and are taught autistic kids before and put my heart and soul into the job of taking patch. But being a parent care and a teacher with very little dance on it was just so hard on everyone, including PECH, I just wanted to be dead. So we ended up packing up. Life and moving into state to a brand new city surpassed could attend a school designed specifically for children on the autism spectrum. And we're not alone in searching, far and wide to find the rot learning environment. Paul. That is beautiful scene. Tell you why this is Jerry pie. What is this? What is that a lollipop? What color Nali pop. Yeah. What color lollipop is why? That's great. What color's yours is wait red lollipop Brannagh black, and ho sons, Freddie, MAC's a winding down for day schools Ivette dinner's done and soon it will be bedtime. Hey, Maxine, what are you doing? That's what I thought. How walk you into the bedroom and get he relaxed we still need to brush their teeth. Brianna knows just how hot it convey to find a school. That's right between the two boys over the last five years. They've had five schools, and they've ranged from completely private specialist autism school through to a Catholic special needs school mainstream school with support a support unit in a public school and public special needs school. It's a familiar story the advocacy group in my eyes did a survey found that forty four percent of autistic secondary school students had to move school because they weren't supported and more than one in three or cystic students didn't complete you ten or above max is eleven and is non verbal, Freddie is nine and has a love language, but finds it difficult to answer back and forth questions. He could tell you the best way to fly to Athens from Sydney say the best stop. The plane numbers the plane Taib's how long it's gonna take you buddy. Couldn't tell you what he did today, and as that social storytelling that's really important to so many aspects of education, actually, because if you can't tell people what you know, they seem you know, nothing. That's true thing to show what you know. He's a big part of the school system and can put a lot of kids at a disadvantage on. No. When I go into a meeting the school about patches goals and talk about an IP. I'm always nervous about advocating wealth to make sure by recognizes capabilities, and he's real potential. It's just such a lot of responsibility. Brian his parents by teachers, so she understands and values the word that putting for the students, but says as a parent she's often felt she's being called upon to find solutions, and it's exhausting. It's extremely stressful to be called constantly by school saying your son's done their stories not doing that. Or he's not listening or he's being too noisy always being destructive or we can't get him to sit or we can't get him to work. We're constantly hearing all the ways the child is failing to meet the expectations expected of other children. And it's personally draining. When you hear you fine rang, and it's on eleven o'clock in the morning, my heart stops because I'm like he's at the school. What is it? Now, what am I going to have to fix or explain or sought out? She sat inside many meanings about her boys where she's listen to well-intentioned, but hurtful comments. I've been told that mainstreaming my children would be difficult because the work gets harder as they get older to male with a fought for every child's. That's what what school's all about taking. My children is stressful for the teaches a school principal for one of my sons actually said to me that if he had a child in my son's 'cause he doesn't think he'd be happy about that the same principal told me that one of the reasons that we've difficult for my child to that school was because he's toll for his age. The lowest point was win. Her youngest son was suspended. I was awfully distressed to hear about this because he's not a hitting child. That's when I realized that we couldn't stay in this school because things have got to such a point that my child's hitting people and I've never seen him hit anyone. So I was like, okay. This is out of control. Now, he's out of control. He's a completely different child in their environment than he's to every. Environment. He's in. Mile to goal is the every child with a disability has access to a flea inclusive education in a mind stream or regular classroom that word inclusion which always comes up when we talk about education for children on the autism spectrum. And we talk about this a lot a nice some schools doing mazing Java. Yeah. Absolutely. I've been lucky enough to visit a few of them and help them create that culture shift embrace autism. That question of what successful inclusion looks like can be really hard to answer. Yeah. And it's just not a bad a child feeding into a system not originally designed to make the Nate. And, you know, many always on my side box inclusion an inclusive school recognizes that value and importance of every child place with teaches a really well trained, and the curriculum has been adjusted to kinda for their individual differences in that same classroom and everyone presumes competence of students at every level and pushes them to excel. It's a place with every. Feels welcome listen to embraced and encouraged, but the reality at the moment is that the best option off of a some OT kids is to go to a specific school will be in a separate classroom from that Ps struggle with how that feats with that goal of full inclusion it feels like with white many light conversations about is. But for inclusion to really happen. I mean, really all members of the school community need to be involved. Moms dads kids, the cleaner administration classroom, teachers and management and the conversations that occur in the stuff room need to be positive because what we say so point and that narrative shift leased editors values and behavior and the impact of that goes well beyond schools, and to me inclusion is about saying school as pot of society. And that if we are going to create a society that includes people we need to create schools that include people so to me schools to be part of the solution. And it needs to be part of bettering of society as a whole believing that that form of segregation is going to create an inclusive society is counterproductive. So ask yourself why your place is not an appropriate place. Now that there's one option for education. Brian hasn't tried the only thing I haven't on his high school, but for sole parent with two kids on the spectrum that is just not even something I can consider had it been times when you felt like you have had to consider that. Yeah. Absolutely. And I've I've stayed up many nights thinking, how can I do it? Thousands of families do that step and high school on I parents have my decision because of bullying, anxiety, and depression and because concerns about child safety, and let's not damp lie in recent years. The Bain investigations in several strengths sites into allegations of children with disabilities being locked in doc rooms assaulted or restrained at school. When we school patch when he was young fanned particularly hot as dad to find other parents to connect with this is probably the most intense interview participated interview his life, yet just reference say that that was a big thumbs up in a hard-fought with dead. I remember one not Manning's yeomanry to at an autism event. And talking to him about teaching his son shall Louis. I seventy is all I am Otisic you happy for me to record you today today. Yes. That's perfect. That's perfect. That's absolutely absolutely perfect. John Louis or jail for sure. Went to a few different schools before studying high school ING when he was. We been around with Kindy and the public system than retry the private system, and then we've seen what happens how people generally in families like ours. Either get forgotten are pushed into area the things that they were thinking is a behavioral unit in a special school. And that was the only option available to us. What was school like before you started time schooling school teachers generally in some of them were main canes web lays that's a pretty clear answer from jail and joe-marie says there was an emergency crosses which meant that that lost trust in the education system and had no choice but to pull him out. Son was regressing lost a lot of skills and the system was worse than not coping. So. The impact. My son's health was very strong jollies. Best option was home schooling from the beginning. But we didn't know it. We found out the hard way, but not every family will be resilient enough financially emotionally. But we did because we had to buy ask gel what he started hyme schooling because it was helped island maltings with dead. Read with helped Joe Murray has adapted. The why he son was told. And it's very proud of what he's changed in this very room were being interviewed. There's some people and talk to him but my son's breeding program. And I said what our goal was within a year is go through the whole Fitzroy program from book one to sixty. They looked at me and laughed. It's these high ones are like novels, I go. Yeah. Maybe my emissions to get my wife to empower John will be through those things in one year was a little too big didn't eighteen months. He's also had great success in many areas through the juke Venera program receiving the silver international award in front of a huge town crowd. The lady in charge of the schooling department point blank said to me, no way jolly achieved all community achievements. It's just I tough to be a parent a taped up or rolled into one and be honest, completely exhausting and the whole time Petch was home schooled. I was wondering if we were doing the right thing Iman nine concern was about patch missing out on interacting with other kids and John Maria grades book. The hardest thing is is isolating. But because of the fears and concerns we had we got involved with the internet. And then I got involved with a lot of different autism communities as the number of kids being home schooled increases that's also a big rise in the number of social groups and activities generally run by parents, and those grades can be so important for support. But also for ideas, yet absolutely Joe Murray was recently diagnosed on the autism spectrum himself at the age of fifty two and appreciates have this way of thinking helps his relationship with jail. I do believe. That my attic thinking healthy understand how he thinks. And sometimes gives me good insight inside what he's like. The Evan show Marissa's homeschooling and learning. We'll never rain with the focus now on work skills and contributing to the community, I lift them making lunch you like making hem sandwiches with that. Yes. Mike. However, I rain one thing. John the jelly beans when you walk in there. Not to be. Yeah. Hi, my name's Chris Vanni. I'm very lucky found and taping. I blow of I can network. I saw a real absence of mentos in the loss of autistic teenagers and adults and vote. Well, wouldn't it be great? If we could change this. And then lots of wonderful accidents happen to put I can't network together. And he we are running fifty mentoring programs. We've headed out to Saint John's college in Melvin where group of autistic students sharing breakfast as part of a group mentoring station. This strolls never maybe you can still jelly veins for another greater. Time starts now Aric increase the jelly bean, straw guy as much as the other students have. Chris's mom told him. He was when he was a teenager. She said your anxieties about these things you drive me nuts on these topics and get the Bard about these things. But you know, how you've got a lot of guts into temptation, and this insane memory that just Maine's you've got aspects as was thin and nothing ashamed about makes you, and you just should be proud of who you out and she integrate way. But I just remember an I was fourteen I'm out at knock city shops with my mom in food caught. I'm eating a Big Mac and this relief at being able to Pene all the weed wonderful funny things about myself onto a liable because I'd new different felt different since he threes. So it was such a relief. And I just started crying in a MAC as and then snot and cheese, and tease. Oh, relevant. One. And there's a whole foods looking at me and agony. Mom, didn't it disguised one away and got awesome. Parents. He school experience was not always positive and he remembers bullying knocking east confidence in e five and six so much mainly anxiousness. That was definitely my nine one the taste death need to site place. I needed to double check almost every instruction at takes. You gave me if the desk was the site place had finding. Yeah. Any five that was my where it really wasn't. And the wheels really fell off in taking days off constantly, then creases life shifted forever in seven thanks to his Tapeh, Christine, Hove Hovav who rescued teams socially and my Shanley. She was a magical educator. She could raid student. Really? Well, she could sense. What structures he needed to succeed? She could feel your under the right anxieties almost like she had this hate map of where students anxieties were in a room. And tragically. She died the end of my twelve he grave loss and felt indebted to pay it forward in the biggest possible way. She could say the kids that were trying to be invisible in school, and she would profile you in a positive way to making his bowl. And that's what she did. With me in my seven. I'm psyched rightful for that. And so when people are saying, what do we do about tickets? I just thought everyone as MRs Hogarth. And so that's really what the program is trying to create the mental emulating the bright belief and championing that she had and that's pot about training. Mrs Hovav sounds is ING, and it's a reminder of how powerful teaches can be in a young person's life. Chris went on to study law on ever get seventies back. He's organization mentos more than seven hundred teenagers and young adults. So he's saying a lot of and not Seig right schools. As we know the search for the rot school can be really hot for moms and dads. He's Chris Voss. Find a school eighty you can trust side normally apparent would look at school and how the facilities what are the Democrats cults like how did that compare to other schools? I think if you've got a kid on the spectrum what my mom did that I'm forever grateful is she found a school Lleida who she could trust. And she got a commitment that school behind away from home for me and that really worked so what advice to give to parents site. Hi, chris. It's just not working at my child's school. It's about working out. What's really important if there's Bain Haman trauma to the student? I think it's just peeling everything back and just faxing mental health who knows that could be distant said that could be shooting that could be changing school that can be a new program that Simon options educations becoming increasingly diverse. Chris himself completed twelve through Taif rather than school. And there's one last message from Chris the school management high the right people, let them do what they do get out of their way and create. Culture in your teaching tame that celebrates staff who have great relationships students too often. We celebrate teachers who good at taking the boxes, and we need to move towards celebrating the tapes that have phenomenal relationships. So what are the students themselves? Reckon we asked some of the boys from the I can program what they won't teaches and other kids to understand with autism. It's very straightforward. It's like when you think you've mass known lines'll equations all that. So it's not always straightforward. And you can't expect them to follow the expectations of everyday school life. I think it was maybe special, sir. I can do things better than the papal. I can concentrate mole and do things that other people might not be able to do people are all testing. And really learn the same way other people do a lot of people prefer having verbally told. How do it? I actually liked visually examples step-by-step, I think they shouldn't stand the sometime job distracted and always have contact. And it's furiously like you've got total Kushner looking at the table, if he does something wrong econ, actually, stop have you had it. Any difficulties at school. Yeah. Windows at permis school people talking behind my back, and I felt really bad. But then the next year those guys didn't become friends, but that won't main to me any more than just finished off permit school in positive way primary school. He was confident isolate because I felt like everyone was completely different to me in secondary school. I haven't had any problems because on the big guy. You don't want to really piss off. But in primary school in grade three full only as dishes who blew me, eventually got sorted out on those after a lot of crying and hateful words, I used to have some difficulties with telling people that are have autism. Or if they asked me I'd get a bit nervous. But then I just realized that that's who I am. And I don't have to be noticed to tell anyone what is autism main to you. I think autism. It's actually a strength more than awakeness. It helps me with a lot more things. I think autism is something special not bad thing. It's like. It's like a to another world. You know, there's a father. I love that response because I like to feel like I'm bringing up a child that's going to be proud of Healy's and have a lot of self beliefs. I thank you for that answer because I've never heard that before and kidding. Be going. I did he I fe- full day burka Brian his house. They've been some big changes recently with by Freddie, MAC's moving to new schools. This has had a huge impact on max in particular. We're gonna wake I saw child who would arrive home cranky and stressed and on high alert kind of thing really, heightened he would come home relaxed and calm, and and just Scholtz and he would go to his room and pick up a book. Wow. He hasn't touched book since before school now that we're in a really great positive learning environment for him. He's being stimulated. He's being mentally stimulated. He's being challenged. He's being included. And as a result. He comes home feeling engaged an exhausted. And as an added bonus, he's now sleeping better with school related. Enzymes not keeping him awake. How is that? So to me. A really fascinating example of how just going from one school to another both special needs schools, but one teacher had the capacity to reach my child into engage with him and to sit standards that were high than all the people were setting for him. And I think he needed to reach up Ryan also shared her hype for her boys futures with me, my big dream. And I think it exists at the moment would be for children who are developmentally delayed to their phone not have to stop one everyone else does. So I'd like for them to procedure the interest of had at school beyond that standard school age. So whether that's through Taifour whether that throughout the Maine's that haven't been created yet. I hope that -education becomes something that I say is something that always be doing an good wide and a chance for them to to have act. Two things that I can't give them access to topics ideas concepts that you wouldn't naturally have in the family hunt. Yes. That really sums it up for me to we teach patch with every opportunity, we get and a lot of parents of autistic, kids know, the tomb teachable moments and making the most of those, but all I'm grateful for is help him and help us the teachers and support Eids who see him for who he is and help patch reach up as well down. Listen drawing. Can you grab some type up? Would you like gray Maka or blue Maka? Sure. On the next episode of the parenting spectrum had to help your child and the whole family. Get a good nuts slate. You've been listening to an ABC podcast. Discover more great ABC podcasts. Live radio and exclusives. On the ABC. Listen up.

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Tue. 03/09 - @Jack Lives To Fight Another Day

Techmeme Ride Home

19:01 min | 9 months ago

Tue. 03/09 - @Jack Lives To Fight Another Day

"Welcome to the tech name right home for Monday. May Ninth Twenty Twenty. I'm Brian McCullough. Today another day of markets in turmoil and another robinhood outage. Jack Dorsey lives to fight another day. Apple is preparing some IPAD airs for free and might be bringing sixty four megapixel cameras to the iphone gaming out the reality of an arm based Mac and let me help you to sleep streaming on Tick Tock. Here's what you missed today. In the world of Tech you might have noticed that global markets are a bit of a tumult today and once again trading platform. Robin Hood says it is investigating the cause of its third major outage in two weeks which earlier affected trading in equities crypto and options quitting. Cnbc trading is currently down on Robin Hood and we are investigating the issue. These silicon valley startup set on Monday. Shortly after the opening bell we are experiencing issues with equities options and crypto trading. We are working to resolve this issue as soon as possible and quote around ten thirty. Am Robin Hood tweeted that the platform was partially restored? The company is facing legal. Fallout from last week's outage a Robin Hood Client Base in Sarasota. Florida filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of himself and other traders Wednesday evening. Travis Taffy alleges that Robin Hood was negligent and breached its contract by failing to provide a functioning platform leaving traders unable to move money while stock markets surged and quote. Jack Dorsey lives to fight another day. Twitter has apparently struck a deal with activists investor Elliott management that will result in co Jack Dorsey keeping his job for now. The deal is actually with Elliott Management and another investment firm Silverlake silverlake will invest one billion dollars in twitter and as a result twitter will launch a two billion dollar share buyback program quoting NBC. The investment firms will each be awarded a seat on twitter's board according to the announcement Silverlake co-ceo and managing partner. Egon Durban and Elliott partner. Jesse Cohn will join the board. As twitter continues to search for a new independent director with expertise and technology and artificial intelligence. Twitter hopes to find a candidate that reflects the diversity of the twitter service. According to the release twitter's board will create a temporary committee quote that will build on our regular evaluation of twitter's leadership structure and quote led by independent director. Patrick Chet twitter said in a statement but Chet will chair. The committee which will provide a fresh look at are various structures and report the findings to our board on an ongoing basis. He said quote according to Reuters Chinese government data shows apple sold under five hundred thousand iphones in February as the corona virus outbreak have demand for its products in that country. All smartphone shipments. Not just apples dropped. Fifty four point seven percent year over year quoting Reuters in total mobile phone brands shipped. A total of six point three four million devices in February down fifty four point seven percent from fourteen million in the same month last year data from the China Academy of Information and Communications Technology showed it was also the lowest level for February since at least two thousand twelve when Caic t started publishing data android brands which include devices made by way and Xiaomi accounted for most of the drop as they collectively saw shipments declined from twelve point. Seven two million units in February twenty nine to five point. Eight five million. The data showed shipments of apple devices slumped to four hundred ninety. Four thousand from one point. Two seven million in February twenty nineteen in January shipments head held steady at just over two million and quote also from Reuters Amazon. Says it will start selling. Its cashier less store technology which it uses in its Amazon stores to other companies. The technology is being branded as just walk out quote. The world's biggest web retailers says it has several signed deals with customers. It would not name a new website. Monday will invite others to inquire about the service dubbed just walkout technology by Amazon Dilip. Kumar Amazon's vice. President of physical retail and technology had no market forecast to share but said shoppers preferences will determine how big the business becomes quote. Do customers like standing in lines? He asked this has pretty broad applicability across store sizes across industries because it fundamentally tackles the problem of how do you get convenience physical locations especially when people are hard pressed for time and quote still high demand is by no means certain other vendors including Gar Banjo and I fi- are offering automated checkout to retailers which in the past have been loath to hand deals to their rival Amazon that has been the biggest disruptor of their brick and mortar businesses media? Reports have said Amazon was in talks to bring its technology to airport stores for instance rather than Walmart or target. Kumar said Amazon potentially could sell the service to big box rivals but would not speculate. He declined to comment on the services. Business model or pricing saying quote. A lot of these are bespoke. Deals and quote one issue that may arise is who owns the Shopper Data. Something that businesses typically want in order to tailor marketing offers and build their customer base and quote. Kumar tells Reuters that quote. These are the retailers customers and quote but did not discuss. How just walkout would integrate with say a retailers existing loyalty programs? No doubt you've heard the news already. But I thought I'd put this here for continuity sake. South by southwest has been cancelled after Austin itself declared a local disaster due to covert nineteen quote. Local government officials announced the update at a news conference. Friday afternoon discussing the status of the outbreak and events in the city. Us Mayor Steve Adler said he had declared a local disaster in the city issued an order canceling the conference in a statement to its website south by southwest said it would faithfully follow the city's directions quote. We are devastated to share. This news with you organizers wrote on the South by southwest website the show must go on is in our DNA and this is the first time in thirty four years that the march event will not take place. We're now working through the ramifications of this unprecedented situation and quote no details I could find in terms of refunds or anything like that. The conference was supposed to begin March thirteenth and hat tip to the listener. That got in touch with me over twitter to point out that conferences likely would-be waiting to cancel until they got some sort of act of God or official governmental response. That forced them to cancel for insurance purposes. Certainly seems like that's what went on here. Apple has announced a free repair program for a third Gen. IPAD air models made between March Twenty nineteen in October two thousand nineteen. These models are apparently susceptible to a blank screen issue that leaves the display permanently disabled quote under certain undefined circumstances. The screens of impacted units may go blank permanently. Users might see a brief flicker or flash appear before the screen goes blank. The company said Apple failed to provide additional detail on the issue but noted. The problem should impact only a limited number of IPAD. Air Units Owners of eligible IPAD air models take their device to an apple authorized service provider or brick and mortar apple store for assessment and free repairs. Alternatively customers can arrange to mail in their device by contacting apple support typical of other apple service programs the IPAD air initiative does not extend standard warranty coverage and covers affected devices for two years after first retail purchase and quote double up is an agency that helps content creators create digital businesses with real reliable revenue over the past year. 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We thank net gear for sponsoring the podcast. Also today an apple rumor from Max wind back. The PROLIFIC UBER IS REPORTING. Apple plans a sixty four megapixel sensor for the iphone twelve and will also expand night mode to the front ultra-wide and telephoto cameras quoting Tom's guide. Having continued to use the same twelve megapixel resolution for its cameras. Since the IPHONE six s apple may finally be upgrading to a substantial sixty four megapixel sensor for its mainland's that would send it ahead of many of its rivals including the forty eight megapixel Galaxy s twenty and galaxy s twenty plus but behind the one hundred and eight megapixel Galaxy s twenty ultra at least in terms of raw mega pixels while the iphone twelve pro will reportedly keep the same. Triple Camera. Ray. It will also be getting a time of flight censor according to Wind Bach. This is something we've heard and suspected before so it's good to have it reconfirmed. With a time of Flight Center added the IPHONE twelve pro. Would in theory be able to create more compelling portraits and offer much better performance when running a our APPS and quote winebox also says the twelve pro Max will be getting a four thousand four hundred m a h battery a four hundred M H improvement over the iphone pro. Max I suppose these things come in waves from Tom's hardware. Researchers have detailed to new side channel attacks that can leak secret data from all. Amd Made Between Twenty Eleven and Twenty nineteen quote like we've seen with many of the recent attacks against modern processors. The two amd vulnerabilities center on side channel approaches in this case a spectre based attack that enabled researchers to tease out. What would normally be protected information? We've become accustomed to news of new Intel vulnerabilities being disclosed on a seemingly weekly basis but other processor architectures amdi. An arm have also been impacted by some vulnerabilities albeit to a lesser extent. It's hard to ascertain if these limited discoveries in amd processors are triggered by a security first approach to harden processor design or if researchers an attacker's merely focused on Intel's processors due to their commanding market share. Attackers almost always focused on the broadest. Cross-section possible we see a similar trend with malware being designed for windows systems by far the predominant desktop os much more frequently than Mac os though that does appear to be changing in either case we expect. Andy's architectures to gain more attention from researchers as the company gains more prominence in the semiconductor market and quote also on the Chip Front Apple Gadfly. John Louis gas say had a piece up over this weekend wondering if the idea of an arm based MAC is for real. This time. The gist of his piece is that guess. A believes that as arm narrows the performance gap with x eighty six and chips from startups. Like that ampere that I just learned about and told you about recently begin to rival. Intel's zeon transitioning even Mac pros to RMC Peas May at least be theoretically feasible quote. This isn't wild speculation. The IPHONE and IPAD have run on apple designed arm chips since birth and while early entries in the asx line were underpowered. The latest chips created by Apple. Silicon design teams have yielded laptop or even desktop class performance. Couple that with apple's well-established drive toward vertical integration and control over its products key technologies and the rumor seems inevitable to that mix one should add power efficiency for a roughly equivalent amount of computing power armed ships need and dissipate forty to sixty percent less electric power. This is especially nice for laptops and as we'll see when discussing ampere arm chips a relief from the voracious power consumption of cloud servers and quote gas a. then goes on to mention the whole idea of forks that a switch to arm ships would create across the MAC ecosystem. Guest says that if apple does take the plunge it would be probably introducing arm ships one product at a time so essentially. He's calling a rolling fork. What happens when that rolling fork meets the Mac pro? Would there be a four ceiling. Because Mac pros need to be so overpowered no gas say says quote enter. Ampere computing founded by ex Intel President Renee James in two thousand seventeen and well-supported by investors such as the Carlisle group Oracle and arm holdings itself owned by Softbank Ampere Designs and sells high-powered arm chips that compete with the Zeon processors used in cloud servers ampere top of the line consume less power about two hundred ten watts then competing Zeon. Cpu's knee as much as four hundred watts for about the same amount of computing power hence investors interest in a device that could progressively supplant intel products in tens of millions of servers around the world. Ampere shows us that the arm architecture can yield the class of chips a Mac pro would need and as it happens the chips are manufactured by TSMC the same company that makes Apple's ASX processors and quote. He concludes by writing. Today the MAC line represents a little less than eight percent of apple total revenue. How much of a temporary revenue disturbance would apple be willing to endure in order to secure an arm future for its iconic personal computer could the ipads rising revenue six and a half percent of total revenue? Help cover the hit. Once it's user interface and keyboard with track pad makes it more laptop like I? Of course have no idea but this one arming. The Max is easier said than done regardless of its intuitive desireability and quote. Finally today as she is want to do and does better than anyone else. The Great Taylor Lawrence these days writing for the New York. Times tells us what the kids are up to these days on. Tick Tock let me introduce you to the growing tick tock trend sleep streams where users livestream their sleep to others to earn digital coins and gain new followers quote before they go live. Tick Tock. Sleep streamers usually create promotional video that they posted their feeds advertising. These sleep stream happening that night. When bedtime approaches they provoked their phones on their nightstands crawl under the covers in. Hit the live button. I've seen so many people start doing it. Mr Hector said the first time I saw it I thought it was honestly the weirdest thing. But also the coolest thing and quote for users who watch sleep streams the appeal isn't necessarily the person streaming but the pop-up community that forms in the streams chat section. Live streams on tick. 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#126 - Area 51, Lizard People, Okra, and DJ LEWIS!!!

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#126 - Area 51, Lizard People, Okra, and DJ LEWIS!!!

"Check one two check one to what's going on. Everybody issue boy that show Corey Ryan Forester here will read comedy Dot Com w. e. l. l. R. E. D. Comedy Dot Com spelled just like the podcast that is where you can find our two thousand nineteen tour dates. We're on a in my opinion well-deserved break at the moment but we're back on the road August not content in Little Rock Arkansas then we're on to Chicago Illinois then our city our Madison Wisconsin Grand Rapids Michigan Traverse City Michigan Detroit Michigan Houston Texas Austin Texas is a San Diego California <hes>. Let's see here Lexington Kentucky back at comedy off Broadway where we recorded our album well read law from Lexington. You can grab that emerge store then grown to San San Antonio Texas Dallas Texas Oklahoma City Oklahoma Phoenix Arizona Charlotte North Carolina Charleston South Carolina Denver Colorado and then we are finishing the year at the greatest club in the whole damn country at Zanies in Nashville December nineteenth third twenty-second those are Christmas shows. They always sell out so go ahead and get your tickets right now and subscribe to the newsletter so you will know where we're going to be before my dumb ass even knows where we're GONNA be also subscribe to the newsletter so you'll know where we're going to be because something so Goddamn hilarious half and let me just hold on. Let me pull this. Let me read this message real quick. This is so frigging hilarious and I feel so very bad for this fan of our but it is it just objectively hilarious so got this message the other day it was sent to try this where it says <hes>. My husband and I were so excited to see you in South Bend last night at the Morris Civic Auditorium Aurium we had front row seats behind the orchestra. My first clue that something was amiss was a giant drum set and huge camps. One of the usher said we might need earplugs. What turns out it was a concert concert with David crowder so disappointed we will try and catch you in Chicago number one? I hope you do mention Chicago and that sucks number two. This should be pointed out to everyone listening just so you'll know just how Raven and this is not only did they go see the wrong crowder. David crowder is a contemporary Christian musician so you talk about getting the complete Goddamn opposite experience at what they were take for the liberal redneck show and then had to hear our God. Here's an all from which I'm certain that David crowder show for what it's worth is amazing. I mean Goddamn. He's Planning Auditorium in South Bend. It's hit but if you want to avoid that first off just read. I guess if you say don't just see crowder and be like that must be it because there's a whole lot of crowder's out there this subscribed newsletter atwill comedy Dot Com and you can also go there to grab on March. We got t shirts we got half. We got posters. We've got our both the liberal redneck manifesto dragging Dixie out of the Dr and like I said we've got our album will read live from Lexington. If you enjoy this podcast this is we put out. I think this is episode one twenty six or some shit. That's fucking crazy. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us for over one hundred twenty episodes that is I was talking to the Gaza about that last night. I was texting. Can you believe we've been doing this shit for this long. It's amazing we wouldn't be able to do if you guys didn't listen and give us such good feedback and he do like the podcast we ask you. Please do us a favor and go leave us a review on high of odd Bainer wherever it is you leave <hes> reviews because it really helps us move up sharks and it makes her advertisers happy. It makes us happy and it just you know we'll be able to keep putting out hopefully better content but sincerely thank you guys for the support <hes> so far this episode is I say this a lot. It's sort of like you know Conan had used to have the running joke about every show was going to be the worst show they've ever done and I say you know every time we put out a podcast. I feel like it's the best because you know you should you should always do in your best but like sincerely anytime we have D._J.. Lewis with it is guaranteed to be just top brass amazing podcast we were in. We reported this in our God damnit. Where would we have this past weekend? Oh Ashville North Carolina one of the greatest liberal redneck capital of the world almost <hes> we were there with D._J.. We always take this morning in the South and my dad was with us and Dan we were about to record and the boys hadn't got to my room yet and they were like dad goes so what what's the subject going to be this week and I said do we're with D._J.. We don't have to pray up. We just start talking and let that son of a bitch ago he makes our jobs so insanely easy and he's definitely the most US requested guests we have on the podcast and so you guys are going to its first some background we talked about. We kinda just dive right into it. There has been a petition online or something started by a bunch of neck beards talking about how they're going to go infiltrate area fifty one because and I quote they can't stop us all so we obviously wanted to talk to our chief alien correspondent day John Lewis about the area fifty one bullshit and we did and he did not disappoint at all so please enjoy this episode leaves review. Tell your friends share it. Subscribe do all that good stuff and before we get on with the show because this is actually a teaser of things to come. I have we have a song for you. This is a skinny bumpkin. Aka deejay Lewis Featuring ochre a boy Aka drew Morgan. This song is called deliverance and after that the podcast with none other than John Louis we love you guys and skis. Gideon been enough credits on the table Costa. Why don't grow <music> live? I don't know you know no matter where you go away ago. When you know like all the like a finger right down hat creek one time whereby the Bible we be believed Jesus Eh come on brother bad power <music> profit got stock boxes Taco one day? Give me any trying edgy believe me. I don't know man way our at you know me yeah. I got a recuse civil reunion stone us. Give us a cow gives you give out our now still be give me on. Just give me your mind your mind your time to wait the Laura Bliss never have maybe with American women is it's <hes> we went to well. He was musical yeah Asheville Music Hall which is the place we always go to Nashville never not empty empties its first time we've ever been there Saturday not to we've been there multiple uh-huh and every other time and it's been like packed to the Gills in there and there's always like either a band or a deejay or whatever playing music and there was last night too but last night it was yeah it was a ghost town for for whatever reason yeah yeah no it hits. I'm not I'm never upset when a place isn't pag no I had I was fine with that but I was surprised by though I had a boy gutter at Taco dude there that I kind of knew from Knoxville Knoxville who I used to play basketball with the while he was in town for a wedding and he was drunk and ever just like you know you're like. I wish I wouldn't have done this. Every time I go every time he would not have noticed me l. e. and he was like hey feeling the same way ball together. There's nothing for us to talk about. I have like I have like pretty unspoken agreements with several people that we we don't hate each other at all but if we see each other grocery store it's very much like you know there's what can we. What can we do here like I know you and day Jay's hair? You worked in an office building but I'm sure you don't know how you always felt about that but that's one of the main things to me about working in an office building. Is that like you're constantly passing people in the hall all the time that you know all these some of them like on a personal level but you don't for the most as part like interact with them because you can't because you'd be doing that all the time so but it still makes it kind of sort of weird or at least it's weird for me because I'm like awkward in that way but I don't like it. I walk and walk in pass. People and it's just like you just sort of not yeah. Do you not only for the most part black people do up nine and we do the down. There's a there's a bit on that. Remember what it as soon as you said the not I started called the nod. It's about black culture so like you know it's recognized that that's a thing somebody saying that something like either is about to go down or fucking coup or something like that. I got a nod back down. Not is that kind of very awkward. What person place when I was about to bring up a live person but y'all talked about it and now I found myself feel like you've probably doing it because that's me too? I never knew it was a thing. Dying until I saw the gift yeah and do what white person face which is Shitty podcast topic because you can't but just imagine everybody nursing yeah making Pitcher Bras Bri producer brash rest and pays as he his face just always is the standard white person when he got caught on fire and horrible flame still as soon as he saw everything was catching on fire half smart smart Kinda like awkward smear one what it's like. What do I do well here? We are yeah it is well here. We are but like anyway I'd never once even thought about like doing Matt until I saw that gift making fun of it and immediately. I was like Holy Shit. I do that all the thing that face when it's like you guys were talking about when you see a stranger and you kind of go yeah H.. The elevator the elevator usually when the elevator opens. You really don't think I did that but the reason I started doing if you brought it up because what I think I did people like that and I just go what would what is some books in my face makes. You know what I'm saying Hello D._J.. Day Jay Big Week for you aliens. Let's get into you know about fifty one thing. Are you going you. You don't get your out a saucer pages saying that's that's where I'm away. This bullshit already know is going on at area fifty one stormy. What's going on here? A lot of money doing signs motherfucker. Do I mean they gotta take we know where they gotTA technology from other Shit so they got their experiment win stormed out what we do there. They are really al-Radi. No I've seen a lot of people say this. I feel like this make sense that they're not saying they know it's like a theory but I feel like it checks out that from the government's perspective once area fifty one became a thing that everybody knew about you figure you're like absolutely they move all that shit to some other place and they want they want area fifty one to be a black site in the public's imagination because that's like a good version from the real places that absolutely man the whole <hes> Jackie gleason right when when honeymooners Jackie goes President Nixon he he's Turkey in Miami to these underground bunkers. You could look this shit up man is it sounds like an all scooby. Doo You can have Jackie gleason and Richard Nixon like looking in but it's true alien right. He said he said because they were great golfing buddies and stuff so one day Jackie gleason says that you know Richard Nixon took him out to these bunkers so look at all this alien stuff Bob Lazar it has said for years and explain. He said he's never seen an alien but he's talked about the alien technology out there well that hold onto Bob was our thing is actually Kinda what bubbles Bob Lazar it so that yeah the whole storm area fifty one owner Jason kind of a result of a Bob Lazar documentary coming out on net flicks and him doing Joe Rogan's podcast to promote said documentary and so he kinda got in the public eye and that that sort of win this area fifty one thing that came out of nowhere have y'all documentary explained to everyone listening right now U._S. D._J.. Are you in you just kind of teased but I'm not fully aware. There's like what an Internet petition to March. It's like an Internet event like where people can sign up to go to this event and there's at this point. There's like eight hundred thousand people saying they're going to go so they'll be thirty. Five Live event is we're all going to show up and we're just we're going into area fifty one. They can't stop us. All somewhere is not doing that with babies in case right. That's what I've been saying. The whole time I love it makes me I'm not I have not signed in. I have not the way I of course agree with you all about that but you just have to realize who the people are that are signing also also so much more in their warehouse really in the U._F._O.. I don't think anybody who really who is into it has like like I way into it like what and so like I mean I like you said like I think people who are like real legit about. It are just kind of looking at it like all right. That's cute. We'll forgive me. If I'm pretentious about yeah yes fuckers. Don't know shit about you. Wait to this documentary. We've known this uses the eighty well I'm telling you the lat beans were cool Trajan. I also have always been variant U._F._O.. Rating on it and Corey you're wanting to say I'm just saying would these people who like the people that are wanting to march on that they believe there's alien technology and shit there and but if you believe all that and you believe that's where it it is in like yeah I bet they could stop all y'all motherfuckers were saying that they can totally stop and by the way this whole it's cute and everything but like dude. Let's talk about like that's great. It's just more the whole passive yeah. We're all GonNa do something no. You're fucking not no. They're not it's the same thing with like any kind of other. It's like it's so it's gross but I do hope at least some people show up and footage of it the getting you know thirteen feet and then getting a raise getting drug off that'll be hilarious but yeah definitely like lasers and stuff that the village disintegrated as you pass a certain no one will give a fuck yeah okay. You can't starve area fifty one but like how the fuck are you. GotTa get into those like what are you going to do. When you get there? You're right. We're going to use our cellphones to take these your cell phone. You already got alien technology right now. Shut the fuck. I don't think they're going to do this because they know they have advanced warning because during the event event is set for September twentieth so it's not even supposed to happen for months so good Taylor when you're coming. We'll just told me that chuck. Norris and Kiana reeves are going so I mean if Chuck Norris is on your team Kiana Awry with the militia cooler than Chuck Norris but like so anyway. I'm saying probably beat his way to do this. Because the government has time to prepare for this stupid bullshit they'll have no problem squash but it didn't area fifty wants one of those places that like it's posted everywhere and everything like they can just shoot you if you because I think I've told this on here before but like it was a big story at the time it was years years ago and everybody forgot about it but when I worked in Oakridge site this none this old like you know can't hug your children when nuclear arms style none like anti nuke protester <hes> her and two of her acolytes or whatever broke into y twelve and Oak Ridge which was which is a nuclear weapons complex very high level of security. It's also one of those places like area fifty one where they're author out there like anyway they broke in and got all the way to the facility in started painting blood all over it like anti nuke messages blood. It was a protest thing that but it was a big deal that they got their got all the way to the facility the company the security company that was in charge of that wackenhut it was called they lost their contract and this is a multi billion dollar contracts that they lost because of that and the actual a lot shitload of people got fired including the actual guards who finally apprehended them and the reason the guards got fired is because they did not shoot them they saw because they just just apprehended them and put them in the vehicle and they got fired because their protocol ah shoot the nuns she's like an eighty seven year old lady protocol was they were supposed to shoot them. Onside Wollen ain't going dangerous every time I see a mom me my the point is like the plus around with those facilities like that you know what but I think because they have all the time to plan they they know would not be a great look to slaughter a bunch of neck beards she right right but if they had just done it out of nowhere assaulted a bunch of numbers I get I guarantee you. KINDA would've went to that book but maybe and there has been like a extreme spot in in in this type of work where the Air Force in the in the in the military has come out and said listen yeah. They're U._F._O.'s. We're not saying they're from their alien crafts or whatever but we we've had a bunch of U._F._O.. Sightings and there's a aggressive Steph on on the Internet you could find whether it's like you know planes. Tracking tracking objects and shit is it's what okay so but back to Lazar Though D._J.. Documentary Axles are okay like I said I've also been into U._F._O.. Shit as long as I can remember since I was a fat Dork Kid. I'm still fat door CIA. I've been very into that shit. I'm not immediately dismissive of alien stuff like I'm open to believing in it absolutely what I keeping that in mind I watched that Bob was our documentary and I tapped down at about seventy five percent of the way through because I was like this. This is bullshit. Really this dude is full of Shit. Okay take who is talking out of his. I just didn't buy it. I didn't buy it at aw again and I'm I'm PREDISPO- I turned it on. I was like Oh we've got to get some truth. I was it was really great how he explained how they were how it was moving and that the inter dimensional like how they were actually Ashley Moving through gravity and there was this like I'll explain like space travel very well. I thought that might say well. That's the thing with him is he's one of those in my opinion. He's one of those particular types of crazy. That's like he's very very very otherwise articulate in like intelligent he he does not at all seem like a crazy person other than the the things that he saying to most people are crazy but like he doesn't seem crazy while saying them which I think helps to say I'll start a RELIG- all I know is I was as hail saying that to me that makes it even more egregious may right depends on what type hop of how you are right but either way I got about three fourths of the way through and I was just like dude. This is horseshoe the thing about it is I think it's it's so miniscule to me what he's talking about. I made some good points and it's like in the grand scheme of things. He's I think what he's saying is he was working for this thing. He got scared for people he knows there's some technology and that that that that that the government has been hiding. I mean that's his basic. This is basically believe all that is probably true without him even saying exactly yeah that's all true so what with me was like it was no big fucking deal what he was saying was no it was like it was like. Yeah that's neat one alien ship. He's had a couple of cool things about space travel. He's a fucking loser. He's not a true blue. Alien Lover was what I believe who I really want to get too far too fast during I'd like to camp all right now I would I would. I think that we are what what what I believe. I definitely believe in Reptilian over. He goes back to all the way back to like scenario. It's crazy yeah yeah yeah. They the Lizard people yeah you're you're saying they are aliens in both aliens and the Lizard people are saying there's different types of lizard people in praise different types of transport inter dimensional bays yeah yeah I'm with I that's all I believe what is going on here. On Earth is like it's an experiment enough say we are an experiment created by these in like what we were. We I supposed to be oh man. This is just going to say the gods before I'll get into this about a whole bunch all right but yeah my aunt lives i. I definitely blade like most of like the whole you know the the government. I think there's a bunch of like for real reptilian blizzard maple also adheres go farther for people who don't exactly know what you mean by like for people who are on their called the auditor Nacchio ride just look it up the elder nakae on ooh knock on Inaki just mean blizzard person in another avenues so here's how happy about the Lizard People by the way I'm on your tanks. I referenced I referenced looser people all the time I sort of feel like basically to exactly basically to me they one hundred percent objectively exist. It's just whether they're literal. Lizards or not is kind of immaterial in my arrest Arash that they become called Lizard is made might as well be literal Lizard people and if they actually are what fucking difference does it what you're exactly familiarized. You WanNa put I retract that statement. It would make a difference one guerrilla zoo saying won't matter for INA zoo but you don't have main shape shifter who results assignment right yeah I tell you that they're actually lizard lead individuals that you know that are have been here in like but also lizard well because also believe there's dog people in your real people plant people. You know what I'm saying that all these things are the implant people in California and some represented in a so makes you feel better. Let me tell you something. I definitely believe I think is kind of weird the pyramids and all that bullshit. I'm not that was alien. <music> I'm not doing. I'm not done with what you mean by. What is a cat person that I want to know the lizard kind of way the Dow people in the cat people not where do they fit into the story the story of this? I have no idea maybe they don't even give a damn about earth but I can't label down showdown or they might have at one time and you know what I'm saying because there's a lot of river but I feel like because I believe that there are other dimensions of their the other thing they're doing oakridge scientists in oakridge literally trying to open a portal to another dimension in a while Book and plus storm at their the old will now yeah they will now makes you D._J.. He just looked at Oh yeah. Oh she got out in here for hours this lock you son different here. This is the way people in other dimensions. Are there people here I. I don't know that far more. They're more black trying to control in like. Does this have anything to do with D._M._C.. Well it's very funny because because there's a specific reason because what it mainly affect is your Braille gland which is the closest that Glenn that we have in our brains to lizard to kkob letter Reptilian. It's leftover from when we were exactly exactly what you just said the reason I asked that this is even the sturgis Simpson Song Reptile Aliens made it a lot that all you're paying more than one example of people smoking e._M._t.. And saying reptile creatures who talked to them sometimes they say nice things and then there's like some gnarly examples of them like fucking with them hard cord like you're assholes. They'd be doing that what I'd get guarantee that I've never done e._M._t.. And the reason as it ain't GonNa go the fairytale may getting fucked by sword or consort and that's why I haven't done it and if you really want to be fucking terrified. There's a theory out there now that that's what the afterlife releases every bit that you have right you get a little bit every night and helps you pumps brain. That's just a plain everything everything is we'll get your thirty minute but I want to finish scaring corey so that is is it because I can't live with this by myself so the idea is now I've heard this full of it and then you have essentially a dream right before you buy that lasts but it feels like fucking eternity and what if that dreams down it yeah. That's that's a little bit comforted like that's better than the literal hail. How about Africa just weighed a mental thing? I don't think you'd actually be able to feel hellfire L. fire now. That's one hundred hundred could be scared. Yes I've lived scared. That wouldn't hit for me. That's going to be a very much a I have. No mouth and I must scream situation like it's going to be in tortuous could hit it but then but then after that it's over and then you will end it might feel like eight hundred years but Jesus son that don't know attorneys the worst thing I've ever heard they you tell me at a very young age. Go Fuck yourselves. Yeah I hear you don't you know near like heaven fucking nothing. Nothing good live forever who wants to do that. y'All are stupid yeah flying planes and I'm I'm assuming not like the wing of the different plans start talking about planes again of exists what consciousness just a different plane yeah conscious perceive save is definitely what is real sure so like but everything's cyclical is the you know we're we're revolving evolving consciousness moving in and out of different phases and plays in this is like everything else in the entire <hes> universe. I mean look around. You know what I mean Dude seasons every cetera services like it's not in the same thing part because I totally believe in reincarnation auditor back into that so you're not going to be staying in that one state. You know what I'm saying like. It is what I'm afraid got them. You know because you've been alive right now. It seems like it's longtime but also there's a point open. Your is an Indian. You know what I mean yeah. You're kind of aware not always see. How much are you aware? I'm just wondering if like because we've had this conversation if when that happens some part of my brain can go. This is just the damn team. Try before you die. <hes> let's go ride a Unicorn or whatever right because it like lucid dreaming kind of control there. That would be really really scary. You're dying. It feels like your body's just like Oh. That's fun fucking terrified girls. I don't WanNa Miss Your name. Your friend talks about the D._O._T.. Shoe so my how she felt like she died when she did it but she and she was scared but now she feels so much calmer about this and that's how it is this though never has been you know you is the idea of to death. I'm fine with death. I don't dying because I don't know how that's going to be like. I don't hang for drowned like something like that like but like the whole thought of like hasten snap your fingers then you don't exist anymore. Nothing is more comforting to me. I just no. I'm not going to get that Goddamn lucky for me. I still haven't let go of the notion that there is something else and so what scares me that I'm GonNa wake up afterwards fingers. It's over and then I put right back up a- all of a sudden you're ten and they've restarted you at your last checkpoint or something and you got a fucking do this shit again as we let you in the body that you got in your car. Thank God the whole reincarnation thing like how literal do you remaining but also like you said even when that does happen. You're not gonNA have any any semblance of awareness of it having happy absolutely well so you're for all intents and purposes. You're we'll have died. Yes so you've been in flight. Reincarnation is exciting and your soul your whatever is it something else if you're not aware of it which I'm pretty sure universal tenant of reincarnation is that you're not aware of it. People walk around talking about exactly so it you died like who you were is dead Sir no matter what no matter what needle you are now. Whatever what you thank you are essentially because I feel like essentially that there is a spirit or so you know what I'm saying right now? We're separate the mind now not not no no no no but but you're cautiousness is so so so you're you have a theory mass consciousness being hurtled to the finite conditions of time and space you know saying all of this is that that Lewis original okay. I talked about this one's for a long long time ago but there's an added element to it now and you weren't here for so consciousness rat. You're all right imagine that teleportation now exist like in it's it's like universal basically no cars appliance Taymor we teleport everywhere and you have booked shows in London England view and so you go to the teleportation depot at Chatanooga every morning and teleport to London to go to your shows and then they're not every morning and every night shows at work. I got a job there this job. I got grocery stores over. We're GONNA produce section last Asher whatever's on sale like an apples in Louis could like a little shop or something like a little this entire performing small business. Eh performing and doing shows you know what would be cool cobbler. Okay leeway the way like a lot of one of the most popular ideas for how teleportation would theoretically radically work is like you step in and this machine you are disassembled down to the molecular level and my a your atoms and all that and your and then on the other end your reassembled into this this new place right and but so let's say you go into you. Go in there one night to go do your show and the bank the laser goes all the way up your body and it don't work. You're just you're still standing there and nothing happens happens and you're like this hit so you go out to the lady at the desk and you like hey teleport's busted on knitted refund or whatever and she says well actually Sarah. According to this you know you came out <unk> out the other side just fine. She shows you like the security camera from the London office shows you in and just walking off and go into the comedy club or the litter the great war still stand but you are still standing there in Chattanooga. She's like no you got to report back in four disassembly yeah because the process work the version you that came out the other they're in is going to one hundred percent. Thank and believe that it is you because it's going to have every memory you've ever had of everything up until the moment it stepped memories have my like and I do believe leaving like a spiritual like weird can disassemble what makes that and so you can't just so other. There's even people who've said like because you have to think about like I said from that from that version US perspective anybody. That questions is now D._J.. Lewis I was born and I'm the real one what yeah for yeah he he's going to one hundred percent believe that Bruce Willis nineties sitting there saying the prestige so it's a major plot point one in that movie anyway taking it further though like the whole consciousness. What makes you who you are whatever like some people have asked like when you get like put under anesthesia or something like that like what if you're like? A consciousness is like obliterated basically when you're under yeah because like if you have you been under anesthesia Yup I have don't have for me. It's insane nine crazy. It's like you disappear and then just come back to and even but I would. I just had surgery not long ago. I have no way of knowing this is a thought experiment chairman. I don't believe that this happened but I'm saying like I really have no way of knowing that you're so you that I'm still yeah exactly what you lay down on the hood under that guy it didn't just vanish completely and never will and then this now this copy of me up but and I remember every you know 'cause I would yeah copied you do right. It's not even just the regular anything new building like you'd be weird it'd be we're feel when you wake up from surgery and by the way I try to fight everybody which means I'm still the same guy he's fine. Don't worry he punched punched a nurse. He's okay bedpan plot and I have no memory. They tell me these stories. I'm just awful to people I jerk shit out of my arm. You can't leave. I'm like you fucking. Watch me right now. My mom tried to calm down. I tell her to shut up. I'm a horrible person so no it's the same I'm going to isolate that track and put it on loop Clinton late when I went under as for surgery on my hand and I remember I remember when I was coming to his rely about Indian EH which all Indiana Jones I remember going like talking about Indiana Jones and it's the most normal conversation we have ever had. I came to eating a hamburger and I remember coming to because as I said we're does hamburger come from an my mom looked at me. Kinda sideways like what she's like. You demanded that they bring you a hamburger her and she goes. They told you you can't have anything to eat because you have to do another surgery and you told them you aren't doing shit and I quote unquote until they brought you a goddamn hamburger and they told you not the God damn. Probably let's listen so what a lawyer that you didn't eat a hamburger and I puked at she was saying and then I mean I see you that night and they put like this real gnarly. I had a blood clot. That's the insane clown unit dinner. That's why I had to be an I._C._U.. Because they were trying to get all the clubs and they spread out your kidneys are bleeding. They had told me that would happen but I forgot so I'm like what the fuck and my mom was in there and they hadn't told her mom starts crying like tears coming down her face. I think now I think I'm done like we get Andy on the phone. I'm hitting the button. This nurse comes in. She turns every light on. It's like three in the morning. I'm barely I'm very out of it. She turns every lot on it. Super Bright you know hospitals are and just opened with. Do you need a little little attention. Did you pay little black. It's got you worried. I got a baby next door's hanging on for her poor little deer laugh but I guess I could come help. You heard how menu are to my friends. If you fuck Oklahoma I'm GONNA kill you. I have the drugs to do that is started dying laughing and I loved it because almost immediately she blacker a redneck redneck. Okay remind good. It reminded me my aunt barb who's a nurse reminded me of and it made me feel better immediately even before I realized what was happening because no one talked you that way if you're dying as soon as she started being nobody talks to most big fun on Yeah Yeah for sure they. What about that conscious of shift? Would you tell if you knew I wouldn't tell them now ever since that I that I became a thing that I even thought about it had that presented to me from that moment I was like I'm never never teleporting like okay. Let me ask you this so not in the alternate situation where you're the thing shows up on the other side but you also no you didn't just stay there like you actually went through and then it shows up but it's still not you will that well. That's that's supposed to be sort of. The point. Okay thing is that it's never been used every single time you've ever done. That's and that's fine. That's fine. What I'm I'm saying? What I'm suggesting is isn't that kind of effect truly happens? I The you that is you zaps and then this other thing goes on believing it's you. That's literally the perfect suicide because you get to die but your family doesn't have to be devoid of you. You know what I mean. They've Shittier version of you. That's all like this has to hear. My story version will be better. It's yeah but the the assumption I feel like is that no one's going to know. I know that so you get to die though you're not making the choice not making the choice you just you think you're just going to Paris for a day or whatever and you commit suicide saying accidentally it would hit real hard. Technology might quarrel machines. Why don't we just portal's is different? We have got into warning if we've got. We've got like Tebow while we just make something like a cannon shoots. You're fucking boobs. Thanks to there's a restaurant in Seattle. There's there's this. There's this Burrito Futurama Jarama halfway Djibouti because there's no bullshit and fucked up remember where it was but I was reading about it. There's the radio gotta get her guy in here. There's a burrito place that opened up and they bought an old bank. That's where the burrito place is when and you go through the drive through they will fucking down yeah and it comes out to the amount of money I wouldn't pay for a May do charge twenty two dollars for a regular burrito now. I gotTa have Goddamn next if U._S._A._A.. Bank closed down on how much for me to get one of them just by the whole job situation. Put it at my house. You know what I'm saying everything you police believe everything polaroid's of his deck Scott Damage Ebersohn the listener fucking I know but I again okay. We'll go with portals. Portals are different like you just walked three you. Don't you're not disassemble. <music> walked through. That's what's up. That's what's up yeah. That's portals portals all day absolutely we you know we've been over that yeah we didn't you didn't you come back on that loan that you you decide that you indeed would fuck your own but if you could with a portal. I thought you said it was the future version of yourself. You were like absolutely admitted I would definitely try that with the portal different. I didn't think I'd like it. That is different yeah. It's super different. Ah You'd have like it for sure. No qualms against it. I don't think I'd enjoy that because I have tried but I've tried the whole feel super good. If you get a massage prostrate or whatever I want to feel orgasm. I can't stand it soon as I got. I got problems through. I got book problems. Yeah you guys. No problem has your but speaking of buts. I guess I'm sure you will okay. Oh Shit Damn. I done forgot about this. Should this be set up at all fire stir. Set it up yeah well. I need to remind people what has happened so <hes> D._J.. Has a nonprofit that he started in works with called Y'all us. He's trying to raise money for it back in the day. No that was for the haven were there at the Children's Defense Fund Okay Children's defense market and I was just like say nate was raising money and do stuff and I said if we raise. What was it five? Sales in two thousand seven Mike. I actually remember I'll get the Tattoo Boko. Oh my does say my answer. My Body said you're said you're asked Okay and always planning on doing it but I wanted to do with D._J.. And the first I got was the last time we were in North Carolina but then we didn't have a chance you were literally waking up at noon driving three hours doing a podcast show Blah Blah Blah but of course you know our fans on twitter didn't believe that they thought I was trying to back out. Yeah you call it a Lotta Shit. Oh you're on twitter may for the record. I was never not planning on doing it. You didn't think I was going to do it a while. It got the point where I was like. I don't forget about that shit by the way that's not a knock on you like like I get it like getting a tattoo on your butts a fucking big commitment and nobody remembers talking but you also know how I am. We're like you know what I mean like us. I mean I have a tattoo on my but literally because of five Sam we'll do something. We'll do it but it's still blue cities. It was Teddy's which we've decided. It's kind of got my for charity. You Got Yours for titties it similar because her name was chaired anyways. Go ahead well. I mean I was always planning on doing it but then about four people on twitter twitter to me just got so fucking annoying which by the way fifty percent of our fan base so that's. That's a lot more people in that well then. I realized I told him I'd get a tattoo of Oklahoma ass if they pay money. I did not say they could see Elliot so that's what I've been telling him lately they. I'm going to do it but you can't see it. So I think what I'm GonNa do is I'm about to show you all this tattoo of ochre and you can tell people whether or not it's cool and we're seeing and you're GonNa have to give D._J.. More money I that's that's how I decided to give it to the children's defense. It's Fund or whatever you want to give it. Give it to whoever's like fighting is we've got a couple of gay fans figure out. Somebody is doing something wonderful because now we got a couple of gay fans who will write that check just between themselves if in your ass back. I want to shut him out when I said wait hold on. Is that what you just said. You'll send you'll let anybody say it. That will donate money to something yeah okay. I thought you meant just me and I'm GONNA show Y'all all but you gotta give money to charity birches off right now boy. You're saying anybody that wants to see it can donate to share this is literally how porn stars as yes yeah give me the. I didn't realize I was saying that is what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying is that we would find a charity set a goal when we hit the go. I'll just release the pitcher good. Doesn't it feel how much spread thousand dollars much for you. Our student loan is sixty eight thousand down to at this point. He's always grab ahold right now for that much money. I bet you good. I heard vote anyway. You'd have to sit there with it like that for a minute but when I said about the said anything about this a fan who's a fan of the podcast <hes> Louie or Lou Campo who works at Traditional Tattoo and slow and San Luis Bisco Hope. I said that right just north of L._A.. Bisbo he does great work. Their traditional tattoos hit him up. I wanted to shout him out and I really appreciate it back in back then he was like I'll put Oakland for free well. I hit him up. When I was going to do it before this trip and was like look I want to tattoos and he's like I'll do them both for free and I was like now let me pay you and he was like no anyway? Great Guy and I did make him take some money but he does great work because seeing this when I got the Ravens on my arm because I said I would've Bonnaroo and now to show you what is actually my favorite tattoo. This one is one I've wanted forever and picked and design myself and Blah Blah Blah this fucking thing about sharing my ass is the rat is thing I've ever done in my life down drum roll scrum role. Oh yeah that's what's up boxing gloves on and little bodey. It's a note I don't know if you guys heard that but my dad just walked over here to look at drew's ass which is wild enough as it is and my dad thought that we were saying that he was GonNa get Oprah tattooed on his ass and on. I mean that would've hit so that is the fighting ochre of Delta State University and State University. Yes Sir Delta State. University is known as the Statesman. That's their mascot in the eighties late eighties early nineties. The student body was like that's a dumb dumb fuck mascot. It's boring. It's not scary. Let's pick a new one and someone drew figure similar to that and sit it into the school newspaper and that won the contest and now delta stay in Lower Mississippi. I think it's called Cleveland. Mississippi is now the fighting ochre so it hits for me in a lot of ways because you know he he's fighting Okra. That's right yeah that's right. That's a rat fuck content. He was showing he was like look man. We don't care we've seen it all but like I've been telling my friends about this this one anyway I know ever GonNa fight and ochre my but that is so we'll figure out the charity and I'll tell her this week and it'll make those people who even angrier so that hits pay more money you do thank you. I mean that's how far beyond jockey I have tell us more. We're here to tell us what you're doing right now. Wait for them for the haven to move but man that's a whole thing on this early no and if they can't get anything right so fast here we go they will man and <hes> there's a live. There's a lot of problems that I'm having with them. Especially being able to teach what I'm trying to teach still astill tasted upsells so working with kids but I wanna I wanNA work deeper into the system so <hes> and kind of get away from of course the homeless community is a totally different thing and I could work with them and then to the haven in a transitional center and try to like figure out how that's GonNa work but with like the youth in the area and stuff like that we're going to have to go a different to raise direction and get away from the haven right now not that it's it's <hes> <hes> <hes> Christian Christian place their their chair yeah. They're they're faith-based bad. I don't WanNa say that and I wanted to make it say policies. They have don't hit yeah. It is a hit for what I when I have to when I'm going into certain things and then I'll being a main corrected in weird ways that like not being corrected by bureaucracy though it is there some of that there's some of the searches and <hes> and the area don't want certain things going on there. That's it's like it. I feel it needs to be done. They obviously they don't want anything said badly about the church what the church believes or things like that these kids the hill segue over to this early Hail Satan but I'm like I'm paying you you need. You Know Oh you definitely need to you know that's. That's good but like if somebody's teaching you hate somebody else. You don't need to listen to what that person saying if they're telling you and I don't want that believe it related to this they want their rehab or their outreach programs to be an extension of the church which means all of the Church's idea with the kids to and it's hard to say that because like they're they're bringing a lot of weird stuff that I don't really necessarily agree with so and I'm not saying thing about lack of saying we have to philosophy. Philosophy ain't GonNa job with now with the US working with the Houston that area with the it's like being married to someone you have different ideas of how to raise the kid. That's exactly yeah. Get out so we're GONNA have to. We're going to have to do that and but that's fine because there's a hundred thousand different places to different programs to get involved in that want to be involved in WanNa work together and we've had so much success so much support and so much like it's all it's just it's been so wonderful to anyways. I've been on a hiatus right now for a while and <hes> and it's just finding different people to get involved in buying another place and another activity and stuff like that so go well it was on portal's me well. I thought they were some him eyebrows and all that and I don't know how long just got finished is looked at Joe and he was just staring. May You spoke exposing minute. Chow man how about that. That's what that was and he's Portal's tied up. All the loose end in space and consciousness business 'cause D._J.. was on a Goddamn roller dog paypal and then we got off on the fucking ochre but which we needed to do and that was fine but I wanted to make sure that we tied up all the Puerto loose because that was really hitting the Dow people and stuff like yes exactly talk about parallel. There's parallel universes in in in in different dimensions and stuff like that okay then there's there's dog people like a planet of Dog Muggers. You know what I'm saying. It's going to work everyday ties like I'll be so depressed we go to a world ever went to a world where there was dog mother fuckers and they still wore ties. I'd be so sad I would take it out that that's what's going August. One time that the time that I've had the most fun and gotten the most out of mushrooms as big hippy party in part of what happened that night was may we we're all on terms and me and my buddy Charles Charles way started this thing. I don't remember why and it's like it's not funny really in a vacuum but it just we started this thing where we were acting out like an anthropomorphic bear who worked in office building so it was like it was a bear with like he had like a like a suit jacket and tie but no pants yeah now they never have panty carried a briefcase and he was just walking around asking Janet about her weekend or whatever and like making coffee and stuff I'll totally mundane but he just was a bear and that was the funniest Goddamn thing the anybody has ever been saved of in that moment and Charles were like on the ground laughing thinking about this office bear especially the no pants par with the dogs would wear pants zither. Why would they were? They were what how would they do. Yeah that's weird illustration of how would adult wear pants. How would a dog where pint shirts? Everybody knows that yeah plants. That's a little that's something if you're going to think in terms of like this is possible you might as well just go away like saying. Oh hopefully don't pay why winter so you believe in infant infinite realities yeah because I mean if there are infinite reality's than yeah. There's definitely a reality where dogs go to work and fucking. I guess human sit at home and shit ever. Where did they are the top race but why not I mean wouldn't they have jobs and go to wear that's how you you get to the dog Baristas and you think about like what would they do? Would they still different each others butts in the morning like say what's up. Were they still doing you know if one of the the female dogs in heat would like everybody's he's just stay outside all day like how would that work interesting thing about that do you. What do you watch Beau Jack Horseman on and off outage that show real hard for you so if he's not safe so wild rice it kind of spice it's very psychological and like I mean it's fucking wild man but but they make so many great jokes about if animals were anthropomorphic? From on Prem what would the implications of that they have so many great moments based on that in that show. I love that show band. There's something about it and I do not know what it is but like like a fan ain't really about life by either alien or just like a show that stranger things God. There's something about hits you or no absolutely not love that absolutely not here for you for one. I feel like I'm here dimensional fucking being sold everything. Do I feel like every slot play until I'm being sold like nostalgia doing fifteen no is but the way that they do nostalgia in that like in the nineties nineties and they got dude. It's not so aggressive. It's it's. It's it's light on thick and it's I can't see but it's but I very it's cheesy. I very much think that's by design. Well it is I mean all those eighties move that stuff. That's how they were. They will anything and so I feel like also purpose and it works. I mean I do feel like to like when you're like a symptom of doing a period pace. It's like an established thing is like that's how you assess Oh. This is the time we're in is by like the product or something like that like that's old coke can like that's just how that is and I mean Holcombe Coke Commercial. There was the commercials the coke commercial two things I know exactly what you're talking about and even for that show that was a bit fucking Das- wind sane you really hit for me but otherwise though out I love this big long Super Bowl ad is what is slack. It's for me and I just like graphics special effects. I enjoy looking at it but I've got. I can't like I can't process. You know what I'm saying. I can't process like what they're doing because I can't see past all they're just like you know what I mean. All the product to play all the all the all the consumerism all the capitalism is like I said I do know what you mean but I feel like most of that is pretty well on purpose because of the fact that now that's how all that shit last season I was I was trying to that's why I watched last. I've seen I'll say and it's kind of been like always like okay but okay cool but that's just last season my dude. You couldn't put you can't put so <unk> out like they put Burger King. How many people are involved in this? You know what I'm saying like in the coke commercial. It just seems like they're trying to sale someday alright. Coke Coke announced their partnership partnership with strange netflix because Netflix doesn't have commercials and they can't taxes like I can't have commercials they but they're finding a way Netflix. It's not just stranger things. They're going to do that with like all the time they're selling ad space to companies rather than the script that they had to put it into the show because they don't do commercials so product placements has a bunch of super bowl like I don't remember she is of course like I know that consumers don't hit for me either but he's still hates it. Though even if that's how it is par for the course just like biotech I agree with you. That's the way it is but like like I'm not. I'm not sure I'd Rather Watch Hulu Amazon. There's like so many there's so many more different but I guess though they still have commercials unless you pay them even more they do. Have you seen catch. None of them. Were No oh better than the other ones that shit go. Oh well. I'm sorry they're all mice INC can explain Hulu is putting out some fire. I thought they just got aw here and tell you they do. They have been putting now. They're going to still exist. The Act Patricia Arquette Dude Mine. I'll be the act is what's her face. Was the girl would let me ask you this. Yes <hes> Damon yet was my mommy did endear. It's it's that story. I haven't seen the show you but I watched that documentary and I have so many book and thoughts but you should see Patricia arquette guarantee you do Oh putty merced off its first off that little girl or not being J. Well. That's number one nightmare. Little girl needs to be jailed. No I know what you're talking about explain D._J.. I won't watch it for people that have not I know what you're talking about. CRAZILY abuses her kid rock too much. I can't fuck shit like that. I read about it. I heard it's good for it's not just hurt dude wash her Act v her mom and the girl the Ki- The do they all the out everybody in there did that whole thing is just so expertly. Just the only board of that I'm interested in seeing is when they killer for everybody. That does not know this is based on Eh. This is based on a true life story. The documentary on H._B._O.. was called Mommy Daddy dearest where this woman can't remember her name but they're in Louisiana and she is I mean Goddamn Lunatic sociopath and convinces her daughter her entire tire wife not only can misses her daughter her entire life that she six literally somehow folks don't know still can't wrap my head around it convinced she would go to several she would doctor shop and do all this shit and like convince doctors already seen this other guy here. I've got this file. She's got this disease or whatever and they would legit prescribe her medication for Shit. She did not have just because this woman and she commits the daughter she does. The daughter is literally confined to a God Damn Wheelchair and is convinced that she cannot fucking walk until it all kind of unravels and then all the sudden like Oh wait. I'm fucking fine and my mom has been doing this bullshit to me and then yeah her her this does she meets onto God. Damn Internet go stab her mom to death and in my opinion. How the fuck was she not GonNa do that? She just realized that her mom had held L. Her in captivity for Twenty fucking years. We were talking about this David Joy. Today's there used to be laws. If people needed kill and you can prove they needed it. You get way less time. They still do that in Texas killing yeah great list. This town ain't like there's something wrong with our medical our medical all that there's there's a lot of people who allowed a lot of bullshit to go down. They shouldn't have been had a feeding tube in her for as long as I just don't doctor should have there. Should there should have been people. How did they not like what are you gonNA fuck is don't get the insurance money or like? Do you ever not giving a fuck doing surgeries shit and fucking fucking guilty for fucking absolutely absolutely one hundred percent absolutely. I don't like she literally would just she'd have a goddamn chart and she'd take oh here. She's got this this. I've got she said most of the chart got lost. It could train it and that was their shit dude. You gotta think those doctors had patients who did have charts lost in Katrina. Who did your doctor you vanish and then you've got an innate move places and they've been through all this bullshit? You think there ain't doctors that have people who lost is charging Katrina had to move because people had moved poor people had to leave New Orleans. They'd have a place to live anymore. They show they don't have chart. They don't have good insurance. You think those doctors didn't experience that Shit. I bet they did they did up saying why didn't they do re diagnose diagnose exactly Eh hail man every pro fron if I brought my guy but how does the doctor tale your legs work was the doctor what do you do you make you make your I know they're people. They're ninety nine percents now they know ninety nine percent of diagnoses in every country every culture comes from what you tell the doctors going true and then you do blood blood tests. That's all you can do is let me take a child came into my if a child came into my office listening about D._J.'s doctor all right Dr Lewis up in his motherfucker say and you say this child is all fucked up right. I had to be technical tail number. One never why we gotta find out exactly because there's cures. There's other things that we could do so we need to reexamine her from head to toe and figure out what we can do here at our hospital because we might have have different. There's so many different. That's what I'm saying. There's so many different license I do on the doctors and the medical you're saying even if they felt she was sick and knew she was sick then they should be examining to try to figure out a way to like we worshiping D._J.. Is Dancing in the hotel room. It's awesome well. I feel I feel like I I completely agree with that reminds me of a friend of the podcast Joe Zimmerman that joke of his he's like and it's on what is old old albums so he's like I went to the doctor told the doctor I think I might have A._D._D.. Doctor Goes Okay. Do you have health insurance. I said yeah he goes yeah. You got it yeah. That's exactly right. That's exactly and they do it. I mean it's been proven God dude here recently. <hes> I was reading an article in like that something some. I don't know where it was. Are you know I'm not even GonNa Repeat this Medical Journal this could we what I'm about to spit out of my mouth. Could we complete bullshit from fucked up article and I'm not even going to repay the Information Society Wild Shit and ah they said there's been a whole bunch of people have been diagnosed with cancer that had that did not. We're not at all at any type of cancer. Doctors have been doing that for years. Hope those mother fuckers you can't be too. I've thought spy do we gotTA. We gotta go down to forty five real quick. I haven't watched it yet intend to have you watched all of that catchment to catch me alive. Is it really yeah yeah. Hang on hold on. I have a specific personal question to ask about it as a do you remember that the Texan you and the new Julio the guy that plays him as hey lack say say good looking say strapping and how old boy is he pretty old boy and is he like in shape the lamb who talking about I miss a Texan meat tray for a part. That's exactly what happened. Yeah I told you about it when it happened. When I kept saying George fat it would not tell everybody else out there that George Clooney executive price out dishing for the Texan and they pass me whatever and forty mile dishes type Toe George Clooney and then what they the response to that ultimately got was they think you're great but it ultimately came down to physicality soldier whatever Dowie motherfucker yeah so? I was just like checks out. No I would much rather you had that role at just. I would've loved to see you in that great but I how did it all boys would have changed your life really he was very much more. I'll say this. He's very much more Texan. Oh boy no yeah yeah yeah so they did they did they did a good job. I'm I'm sure they made the right choice. I would much of everything else. I'm saying I'm Kinda glad you didn't. We're here for the rest of the general good really been wonderful cinematic moment none of that guy yeah. Let's German Beer German beer we.

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Episode 428- Live From The Comedy Store - Bert Kreischer & Tim Dillon

Legion of Skanks Podcast

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Episode 428- Live From The Comedy Store - Bert Kreischer & Tim Dillon

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Buddy leisure skaggs loss angeles addition from the belly room comedy store in los angeles. The world famous comedy store in los angeles. Yes i'm your host big joe carson the skanks all here in l._a. About my right davey smith sitting here in the ellis mania champion the else media champion everybody look at that. I mean he's really drinking it. In the massive disaster undertaker the sparks in the back waters working manner show business the puerto rican rattlesnake snake louis j gomez the you're always running for mayor and bully of the neighborhood like i love you all fistfight somebody outside for looking at you funny i would i would mayor with bully tactics. Yeah you really are a human rescue dog by the way that's how all mayors work check out part of the problem. If you don't listen to go off on this for about six hours tomorrow and jay that's pretty pretty offensive. The idea that lewis would try to bully someone right here on this stage. What would yeah last time we were in los angeles in the belly room it. It ended a weird. We're not going to go over the whole thing but lewis has only given plastic drinks tonight yeah we i did learn. I have cat like reflexes pretty impressive when i did that night. Yeah you know since that time. <hes> me and metzker have become a mortal enemies. Actually i'm going to kill him. If he shows up tonight he wouldn't dare no you. You and kurt squashed everything. It's great we did. We squashed our beef and now we're we're going on tour together. We've got a bunch of dates coming up. He's actually going to be here tomorrow night or who's who's coming tomorrow night for the stand standup show allegiance. Thanks a lot more of you should o'clock but that's okay. That room is about three times the size of this one so those people couldn't get in tonight. Let's hope it is going to be back yeah you and kurt now our buddies which is fantastic antastic in there before you throw a glass at someone's head and then it blossoms into a beautiful friendship we have all been there who hasn't dining into an almost despite with one of their friends cobb your hands. If you've never almost got into a fistfight with one of your friends okay aw i would've caught my hands but i'm friends with louis j. We've almost got into a fistfight before you lying pieces of it. Well i saw that situation. What are we almost fistfight on the boat. Only to everyone does appreciate that lewis genuinely thought they were about to get into a fistfight and j. was like no chance we're getting into a fistfight grabbed a knife out of its socket. Jay was like we're friends. We'll work this out. Not a a bully dude. You were hanging out. What am i gonna do. Pick on you. Yeah yeah fucking men do all the people that didn't clap are women or fucking l. A. puts other adults man who don't try to fistfight their friends. Your kids man for someone who chance white power so much you do not understand white people aw what are what people knee jerk reactions in crazy. You gotta stab your friend. Maybe took your food stamps so i gotta do. It's gotta do known your babies. Mama talented strip clubs get together. Ah shit look. We have a huge show huge chopin today. Okay well. We can sit here. We can make fun of me all day long puff. We've done it for years yeah. Why would we do that with just us when we're in l. a. and have l._a. Friends here yeah. I will say that we have a pretty fucking incredible sponsor for the first time ever herb dot delivery sponsoring the fucking fucking show and they've been delivering us the whole trip while we've been l._a. Sure i only got here in our go but these guys. They got it the whole time. I've been here for a week. We got here. I believe an hour ago yeah well look. They give us a free eighth to give it away to an audience member tonight. We're going to have our only as members prove proved their commitment for an eighth of we'd hold on i know l._a. This is like eight dollars worth of whatever it's not just about what a fucking eighth of we'd okay being degraded public less. It's about getting a small amount and we eat by humiliating yourself. I think it's fucking tuck it worth it or you also get to go down and fucking legion his gang history as the first one a free herb dot delivery aw weird which is the good ship right ear. Look it says government warning. This product contains cannabis a schedule schedule one controlled substance. Keep out of the reach of children and animals. Why do i have it then. I'm not sure which one he is the jewish gomez. I hate to tell your animal. We'll never grow up and uh-huh and a lighter and rolling papers and this cool not a little box so we're going to figure out a way to give it away not oversell the box the box of this cool who'll nifty boxers a cardboard box but it's a nice quality box keeps cruising. They're pretty much anything that fits in a box. You're never gonna drink listen. Let's bring up our guests. We're going to get rocking and rolling here. You guys having a good time so for los angeles. This is just the beginning tonight with change lives guess. This fucking crowd was so god damn loud now on the line outside that the club had to keep coming in shutting being like we have a show going on but it's like listen comedy store. You gotta deal with our crat. They're are gonna be loud but we will fill up the smallest room so you want to rake in these big bucks. Sixty five people will destroy the times of the other four hundred hundred people the book again yeah. I mean look if they had us back after last time. Fuck things up. I would argue. We can't get kicked out of you. Oh you know we should we should go find. Mitzi shore beat the shit out of great now where she kidder get her way. What it's really gonna just be kicking on some what you should fight paulie shore though i the fucking wreck the weasel shits no way. Do i easily. Oh no chance no dude order. He's going to sit on top of your chest. If everyone does that. He'll show up. Why are you shitting me and my mom's club. Why can't you just do your podcast ought to be all right. I guess <hes> he he left new york city to become an l._a. Fach he wasn't new york can then and then left guests digital network and then and then at the advice of joe rogan left the guests digital network ladies and gentlemen my mortal enemy kim there thank you everybody. Hello hello hello. Hello hello <hes> patriots dot com. Tim dillon show good to be here a lot of fun. It was not at rogan didn't tell me leave the gestational digital network a homeless person who was living in future. They got to cut ties yourself man. I see wall. He got stars but you're going to have to cut the dead weight network. I'm going to bring up dr second-guessed everybody fucking. I mean i call them a living legend. He's my favorite person in the world to be around. <hes> you know from the broadway. He has a daughter yeah yeah and this person makes me happier. He's never stole my credit card numbers order taco geico bell or has he has he burqas podcast. Everybody in the machine for christ work all right. Thank you thank you thank you take the thank you so much in the feeling is mutual also don't care about his daughter. Yeah daughter bro yeah dude. I i tell her get cooler. Thank you guys both for being here and this is this is exciting for this gangs. Come on here hopefully tonight. Finish this show. Could we have a better finish to a show than last time. Now i mean it's gonna be no matter what happens. We'll be anticlimactic unless drinks. Fly lewis will attack an audience member of necessary. I watched that. I watched that online. The next day like i got excited. They were like yeah. Did you hear about the fight with lewis and kurt and i watched it on youtube fucking big off. It's really been a problem for my career. I watched so many of these. I'm just excited to be an alright men's group. I watched that one. When you guys wouldn't kick out the proud boy ah it's always it's the best thing i wouldn't kick out a proud boy. It's look if you look at just the video looks like i am defending or proud way by loudly simply calling a gay guy a faggot see where someone could interpret it that way out of context like yeah. I'm calling <music> game and defend the proud boy. I could see where you would think. Hitler hated the if you didn't have all the facts on taper sure as a as a gay pride boy. I was very supportive lois and everything that lewis dead tim. There's is no such thing except a gay fair point a fair point. You know how it is yet. The fuck it and t ferrelli get get crazy who had the hammer who brought the hammer who knows right. That's the big question right who brought the hammer. I don't know what that means antifa chief <hes> an antique guy threw a hammer at a proud boy and what lewis is saying the government has to start coming down about a guy who doesn't know his way around the garage toolbox. Ah put this in my ass although they were saying that through a hammer they were saying that the problem i had the hammer and then he thought could start hitting the guy and then he dropped it and then fuck the antique. I flung back at him. Like what are the. What are the what are the bad guys to mario. The first level they stand proud. Worship just jumped on his head. I know just eat a fire flower in fucking blasted a proud where you can warp at the end of this around the fact that louis has not setup scanning says portland the final battle shows. He's growing as a mature human being because he's like you wanna see the city get fucked up. Let's go tom. I've signed papa. Roach is really quick whereas we're having a lot of fun here and we're getting a little bit hammered. Everyone knows about the risks of driving drunk. In a crash. People get hurt. They can get tale. This bench probably get one tonight. There's percent chance she is involved in a car wreck years. Rising statistics almost twenty nine people in the united states die every day and alcohol impaired vehicle crashes. That's one person every fifty minutes boo that statistic. That's talboys terrible terrible one person every fifty minutes or a fiftieth of a person every minute. Few people have died during the recording of this podcast. Wait hold on drunk drivers. You read that wrong two you. People have died at the recording even though drunk driving fatalities have fallen by a third in the last three decades drunk. Driving crashes still claim more than ten thousand lives lives each year. Many people are also unaware that driving while high can be just as dangerous. The truth is everybody driving while high is deadly two thousand seven to a two thousand fifteen marijuana use among drivers killed in crashes fucking double. It's j. j. J. big joe's twenty fifteen alone forty thirty. Two percent of drivers killed in crashes tested positive for drugs shit right the fuck up sorta. God swear to god so usually a soft kidding yourself. If you're impaired alcohol or drugs do not get behind behind the wheel. What did i just fucking say everyone do not. Don't know dog not get behind the wheel. Do not look at who the crowd on this one. The truth is guys. If you're impaired from law drugs. Make sure you don't get behind a wheel all right. Where were we <hes> timmy elliot's afar. I like you man. It's very good. <hes> you know. It's it's cool. It's got its pluses and its cons. It doesn't have you so that's a negative i like going to i start my day seeing louis. Make bobby hutchins aca meco cry. It's a good it's a good way to start a wednesday morning. What's your everyone says what they like yeah. What's your least favorite thing about l._a. So far the come you get used to route and free <music>. What are the hikes. All the comes vegan yeah the comments. You used to a certain type of new york very dairy. I i fucked here yet but don't lie about what happened. I come on i it wasn't it was certainly sex in in some countries <hes> what happened definitely be a saturday night for you. Yeah then sunday put on your clothes and just gorge pizza sunday. It would be cheaper. Birth gone to three cycling classes and we spat shape to scratch his face. I i gotta get in shape. He's like should i thought i could help. I tweeted it looked like head of my not really. He's like we can do it we could. They're all just fat shaming every day. It works. Does i know i'm going to back you. Do it now myself bird. You love the food out here. It's all right. It's fine. It's tacos and all all that shit this. Is you know you're nobody's out here. Eaten people reading tacos and fucking. Are you gonna to get l._a. Out here. You're gonna go fucking process. The only fat people in l. a. are all in this room right now. They're all off the fucking. If you're fat person you have to be a mexican. You have to be worth four hundred million dollars. That's literally the way it works or the drummer from papa roach. Yeah you've been here forever now. When i first met you lived in new york and you just fell in love with l._a. Or just kind of happened because i i not not even like first day. I thirty minutes here. I was like i call my dad and i was like i think i think i found the best place in the world and he was like really and and i was like i love this place on a crossing the street and they heard me and i said absolutely loved the city and the guy goes in your in century city right now and he goes it gets better like going to the mall and it just the weather was good and i was like dude. I was when i first came here. I went for a hike and runyon. I didn't know that it was like a complete park. I thought it was like we found some trails. I swear to god and i got lost and i got fucking scared was like a memphis spend the night up ear and i was panicked. I was running up by the very very top runyon like sprinting and i was like i heard noise and i go running around the corner like people and it's to persian ladies and heels and i'm like panicked and they're in fucking heels and those guys knew the way outta here and they're like parking a lot and i was like what right around the corner is a fucking market when i when i got here i call my dad. I found the best place in the world he said i hope it's a pussy and hung got so that's i will fuck you thank you you are as it should the big that's great you fucking fell in love. I don't know i i <hes> i'd like it out here. I don't know if i could live out here. Though i would move out here with leading the gangs tomorrow yeah you love it i would do. I'd just leaving zak yeah out here do that show here's my roth. Aw legion of skaggs will be great. It's just that it never really becomes hoodie weather and hoodie sort of my thing jayjay. It's hoodie weather weather weather at night at night. It not being hoodie weather has never stopped jay from wearing is true but then i need a daytime sweat hoodie to catch all the day sweat. She's like a mesh hoodie. Just cut it short by nipples through it. It's one of those belly fucking sell plaintains off the freeway. I remember the first grain are there was like a thing. You got to remember why but if you were good or you did something you got enough. Stars ars eventually got to pick a toy from like this toibin that you have to actually keep ever remember. The toy that i ended up picking was a mesh josh belly raiders jersey yeah. That's a hot girls photo. Oh shoot. Was this school or was. It boy's town. Louis talks about school and you realize he wants to school at an urgent care. Yeah i think we've got a whole box of band-aid comb a raiders half top with the raiders half top mesh amash rat remember the number one jersey but it was a belly jersey but this is what you chose to spend your all the toys a yeah. I had a few stars. It was good. I want that fucking raiders jersey. We went to and hope nobody takes it. I had a buck saf shirt in tampa man. I look back at those days. God and you wear it as a half shirt. Oh fuck yes dude. A half shirt was cools. Faquir careers half shirt was like you know what i could change this. It used to kill me. My step was when i was real young were half shirts under like button down shirts that were open because because it looks so cool in the eighty s and one day i gave it a shot but i never made it out of the house. I saw was happening. That's now on my stepbrother's. Look like we did it. In college would cut our shirts often have so that when you put on a collared shirt it would kind of make you look more swollen and it would hang better fucking meathead but like like a like a thick cert and then cut it off right at your tits. Do there's a lot of fucking mockery. I used to comb my hair down and caesar it out. You know what i still do. I trim back an inch above my dick aw trim back like hair. Cut it up into the pubis here so if you look at it. It looks like i have an inch more yeah yeah yeah. It's all angle perspective. Take hold on hold on above what do you explain. It's somebody so do the state of hair huge dude you trim it like a regular. Am i gonna say my dick and and then come on you. Gotta get liners. You gotta find a black guy. You gotta get liners and then you have the only black legion stang span in the front row right there you trim up an issue just shaved that hair so it skin so when and people look at your dick oh i get. It looks like your dick starts an entire than now but not but i yeah inches which is an exaggeration though not an inch fucking inch. It's a few eights look ridiculous yet. No shave it all the way to here. Yeah i alan john o. Simple started his belly button looks like he's about to have an operation. No breath yet you give like little quarter inch half inch above into the actual yeah we're the dick starts going into the body and then yeah from the right angles. It looks like the beaver starts. It's about half inch back. I'm just saying photographic. You ever tried to have more dick or usually trying to hide your from chicks. I grow my hair out in the front. The jewish guy has banks just trying to make it less scary looking things waiting the bushes to commit a crime. I don't know i've tried different things but none of them ever come out good. Oh one one time i shaved everything down to like a three right so it was just stubble. It looked like gerardo. Remember members yard had long hair so yet. No rotor is beard trimmed. I tape i ever bought was the single for rico swabi. Audreatta goes on the b side of that was an all spanish version of it was in can't buy me love. He was one of the three jocks upside upside bark so i traded. I shave everything down. Who's also in the madonna's borderline video. Was he really solid song. I shave everything force. It looks like don on johnson's double. Then what i did is i drew a sunshine on my pubis with a magic marker right drew it the us tell us on stage years years and years years ago yeah yeah years ago i did this and i'm talking about on stage and then i trimmed around the sunshine like all the hair that wasn't colored. I shaved off right right and then i watched the sunshine. I swear to god following you so far. It was fucking gorgeous. It looked like dennis rodman. It was it was it was i showed my dick to do girls during that time and both of them were like what the fuck it was a really a horizon when you said that yeah it was a reisen gorgeous the sun coming up over your dick. Yeah here comes the little all right so we have this herb. We have an eighth of we give away to somebody. How i figure out a way to do we're going to be necessarily. We gotta figure out a way to give it away and it's a big deal in l._a. It's hard to come by. We have an audience member in salt lewis and then he'll peg it at your head. That's not bad who's seen their children the least in the last month everyone okay split it up. She raised her hand in a very sad manner like it was true i don't. I don't think she needs anymore. Subjects was thrown thrown out and they let her back in. She got thrown out with three people. Then talked her way back. In amazing you hold on we were here. She was fucking hammer. This girl will fuck. Let's fast come on. She's the queen gang i is that was skank jank best yeah but it was only white person to get deported by ice. I know you got back. That's part of the joke i appreciate. She was kicked out and she's working out. Well you got you were like seriously. They were upset at you okay so she was kicked out three people. They all got she got back in. Is this a real story so real story tonight. I just got back widely. Kick you out loud. The more you talk the more i'm sorry she yeah ah you're not she bit kristalina as a joke she bit krista lee on his neck as and as you saw it and now she's back he gets he he gets. It gets me yeah. Look hominy alcoholic auto convincingly. I met her three or four times at least right at least every time i bet you you've been obliterated like fuck you you. I've never i've never met her not obliterated through the roof draw. She's the she looks like fucking twat. She's not like a fucking snowing. Go portland with cameras. I ask that's like oh of course of course look at this whole but this girl. You look like you're you're looking at. You look like you failed. Let the military. You look like you look like you take care of the baby that she abandoned yeah. That's literally what uh-huh okay here. We go here comes. The mean drunk husband he's got a little allergic is at her. She's actually asked him. Did you really fuck her. <hes> trying to make me go to do so christ the magic magic that was so funny but nothing spilled oddly enough. It was amazing martini. You're like a new a new man. I've never met drinking lewis yeah. I've i've never been around you when you drank everyone your entire life really yeah never before i met you berta fucking drink list party but boy i got. I got guys guys. Guys is what's going on. Just hold my hand on this journey. I'm trying to lose weight. I can't drink fattest. Fuck no spin class in the morning so yeah. I also live here okay. I have a life also not just a fucking alcoholic burt. Yes uh-huh drake gang ed tech you no. I appreciate it if you're not gonna do. Can i ask what you do for me. You're the only job i do well. J. limits on myself and say book seven on fifteenth spin. I won't drink but what question are you asking. What do you do if you're an alcoholic job. I thought you meant like the remedy comedy for the situation. I'm pretty sure it's handle that change alcohol's. Maybe what's your what's your day. Can we gas hold on. I'll stick s.'s. Do you have a date known calls it a day job j. job fucking. Did you ever tell senator dickhead. Would you take john brough. What do you do to supplement your stand up. Comedy podcast instruments what's going on. The name of her podcast is officer. I'm fine. No i live right up here yeah. We're gonna guess what you do for a living. Whatever whatever time of day it is yeah. They'll tell us we wanna. Guess not going to be fun game. Let's see who can get the closest. Don't tell us we want to guess what you do smoke weed you might win this. We'd right now now. We're gonna we're gonna guess don't answer. I guess you have to let us all other. She gave me sass. Did you see that and she just wants to know so. She's asked you know she wasn't asking she wants to understand the rules by the way you can mess. What's your name name. Lydia you can one hundred percent have three sandwich and christine with minimal effort minimal effort tried two years ago and what happened. I guess it wasn't as easy as you think. The case used the word deprecate. That's the first all right. He is smart. Don't answer for for some for an answer. Don't answer. What do you think dr pilot. I'm gonna say i think lewis is right. I think she is a paralegal. I'm going to say just like administrator in an office paraplegic not yet not yet. I'm going to say the girl who works at the place that has wet brain the word i know because we look the way to make all of us. Hey it's love you to that loved them. I love like wherever you are. You've you've somehow made assistant manager and everyone who works under u._s. Yeary ear yeah but sizzler. I'm going to satan. I know it's it's like a fishery. She couldn't make it in corporate america officially right off the water mostly local serbia teacher. She's not a shoe might be fuck it. He might be a teacher no way you don't think so now more of scared straight site yeah. Maybe an ex-con guesses just asshole fisheries. Where do you work. Another local government like local government. What do you see yourself as being like fucking supermodel. What's going on right now. The amy schumer disease lewis so it wasn't a disease brain trauma some down to me. She works with special needs <hes> adults. It's this is how she has just unwind. Maybe hey good what better jokes tonight. What is <hes> you could tell us now living. Oh good cry. Do you write miseries. Have you ever heard of newark afternoon but then fell asleep really really what do you do. I right okay just say child porn. Everyone's fine with that. You're and if you got on abc's island. I am shocked because then there is no security over there jeffrey. She's in her early sixties. She's hammered <hes>. She wants to meet trent resident. Ah funny thing l. a. made you funnier. Do funnier ever happened to anybody all right. Don't worry your team your. I'm pretty sure you'll remember none of this dr with her aw degrade her son. This is my birthday party second worst pattern in the room and she isn't of course inaugur for good john louis that was going to be a weird setup. I mean i feel like i should i would give it away but she's just gonna start chewing the bar the bottle that let let me see just one eighth of wheat. Give her the weed. She can live in the box. The herb not delivery of we'd from herb not deliver everyone. Some good shit says this is kind of weird. They put it in such a big glass. They can make it smell. Fuck is knocking. Why would they knock on the door. What if it's metzker who needs through shit out lewis. Ooh you better fucking. What if metzger comes in right now kids lewis is at you better hope to god is not paulie shore cybersecurity team and then paul cybersecurity paulie shore. Make sure it's not sure watch fucking back in this place. Paulie shaw is everywhere. You better pray to god probably two shores and show the fuck up. You don't really think you'll beat me up to. There's an outside shot yeah. Don't worry we'll hold you guys back. We won't let it it happen. We were talking about the on realized podcast. Paulie shore could be you up. Are you harping on this dude. Just get over it. No you can't we were we talking about on the realize podcasts the quality of pussy the police. You're gets back then now. No yeah now better than what i could get married. I've seen what i get. Yes it's still top notch due you too but is it top top notch like mid thirties or still top notch like twenty six twenty three year old hotch. I but see i would love. I would love the type of pussy he could get because i don't wanna. I don't wanna fuck like at twenty three year. Old fuck like like fresh out of a divorce. There's oh we get fucking wet. If you got her bret michaels tickets now yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I wanna grow says stuff like uh like i you spend the night you're gonna sleep in. I have drop off early in the morning yeah yeah that'd be like yes so hot. <hes> disease of this city is that you keep wanting to fuck young girls. Young girls are pointless. They're young. People in general are pointless. I don't think that your vocal chords george develop until you're fucking thirty. You could say stuff like take your order but then that's all you can say this is a young crowd yeah. I'm sorry when you're a young crowd but they do say. Can i take your order yeah. You don't wanna fuck early twenties. No oh i've no interest in trying to keep that plate spinning of like all the interesting shit you'd have to say to her like that's dope as fuck fuck and actually i'm going to send her text like slotted into monday's like faulk gimme a woman the new ships blood every now and then we got her the full service podcast pert asking showers eve. I don't think you need young women. Don't want you to go down to their level and fucking talk them. They want an older man. That's why they like an older guy. They wanna hear your wisdom. Do they want you to put in and redid the shifted that everything they just want to hear me talk and lecture all that's what i'm into wouldn't mind having a young chick just to impress her yeah like like because i can't impress my wife like you know like like anything like i got a boat to take us to this island to go snorkeling the private boat she was like how much is it and i was like the fuck. That's when a young us so fucking dope oh. Are you gonna put this on your stories tag me. Would you tag me instead of my wife going. Put your fucking caraway array camera moment. Your door's not gonna remember. This should also so how also saying how much it costs is so different from how a young girl reacted that to your wife. She's like you spent that much money on this. It's fucking hot in the pants over that shit see i'm switching over. I maybe i i. I'm fucking too young old chick. My wife's turns forty nine next week this tuesday in quiet. We're about to break up family forty thirty forty nine years. You don't know what that's like. Forty six older woman yeah yeah it's cool when you're fucking twenty nine twenty twenty nine forty-six crust in fifty or like shit. They say stuff like getting so old and you're like yeah. You are like yeah yeah. I'm still very fucking young. Your friends are talking about getting <hes> doing a deck deck l'otage. The seventieth sits out in case. You're gonna cancer. You're gonna have to define that. I'll woman shit right here right so your deck l'otage. Is this real estate day in between the two tits and the older you get you get a sloppy d'eclat ause. It starts wrinkling and when you yeah it's fucking very real and the big the thing in l._a. Right now is they get injections and their d'eclat ause so they can look young women's again. Yeah that'll do it if you just sixty year old without wrangles between is not doing it but her friends are getting injections and their d'eclat ause you don't. It looks like i say groupon it with an asshole bleaching. If jeffrey epstein heard this conversation he'd hang himself again. The wait is asshole bleaching the hair or the skin-to-skin well. It can be many things too many different people. You're you're asking is a different color than the rest of my ass to darker. She would wanna bleach chiller. Yeah my my my ass is puerto rican. My asshole cast would be the my asshole color is the same name is my ass crack <unk>. Maybe i'm really wrong. Let me say now. I'm not gonna do it here. We'll wait wait wait. What do they bleach it with the same stuff. Sammy sosa used a ah literally literally paints like a bleach on your ass. Oh yeah and that does it they say and but why would he apologize ice cream for no reason that's the color of my ass hall who who is self conscious of their ass. Oh color porn stars and louis. I know i never my ass. Bleach your long show one time you do it right now. I bet i bet there's a crowd. This might work. Anyone got some asshole bleach in your pocket little if you're one of the first of all days i leave at home aw shit other purse. What are your treatment. Lewis won't try to get you to do like. He loves getting foot massages. He will well he would walk into the studio and he'd be like all right. Listen i gotta fuck it coupon or get an abortion tonight. Let's go we're going in. We're getting abortions. Are you instigated so you know your asshole color is different. How do you see that you've never been to over in front of a mirror and start your ass. No mirror looking at it fucking hit him with that but this box so angry why you're liar. You've never bent over in front of a mirror started your own ass. Not one fucking meantime lewis aside. That's just walk to where we are and be honest with yourself. Dude i have had a mirror and watch aww shit definitely dab. What are you wanting the fuck. Guess what you're doing tomorrow morning yeah well. He said you're holding the mir. We're we're getting new angles fresh angles. You really have never got a mere looked at your asshole. No looks like no so. How do you know that you don't. I need an asshole bleaching. I would assume that might be wrong so let me see. He did around all bunch jason does she eat your s. She'll lick my butthole. Never harass whole. I've i've had girls want to lick my ass on my get. The fuck away you i if a woman will have no respect for her. What woman knows funny. There's a window so <hes> right next to my bed and it's great for me to put my leg way up high on it and it really it really presents kind of looks like james giving a powerpoint presentation tation our fourth quarter earnings pie chart. Christine is my butthole discolored. Oh man you don't think so while you're is always close. You got close. You're on her hands in front of her is let me see just don't show the audience. Show me no you won't she'll show me your ass showed me or s easily right now. I hope i showed you guys. My asshole. Famous are asia fear me open his ass. It's sorta off with you. Guys see my ass. Oh yeah that's right. People thought this show is about politics. People are mad. They were like it's a political show. No those guys are all dry. Your ass yarns aren't point covered that it's like you're better off in a white edna st but now let's business the white ethno oh stay. I'll show me your air martini please. I wanna see the the one guy in the back. Doc has the worst chance starting abilities insert neapolitan ice yeah i. I think it's tarantula medical issue. Jerry springer audience member keeps waking up. Take off your pants off your pass. Take take off. Your pants are also you might as well right now all right behind you. I wanna see wanna see hold on. I need to get the light for my camera. No no delight just the light the light all my children just the white. What are you doing. Okay easy copies it. It's i'll tell you this. Here's my cessna the sit on your asked. I know i know louis you guys. Hey you're up up guarantee you. There's nothing in yeah. Jay has these smallest but crack in the world literally. It goes into a whole ooh yeah. It's very short very short or crack. Lewis has a tattoo on his it says gas digital. That's temporary yeah well all right well. That's the political segment stupid shift. Tim opened his ass. All all just suck it the whole room a hairless filipino boy would have fell out. It was just crying. The house like shut up. You've been paid the hours not up. How great would it be if he had led us into this bit and already planning a condom if he goes looking just sitting till does one john after another after everybody has to take them out. That's your sausage finale. I just have a baby. The the magic endless scarves in obied seems like something that would be right up. There shows alley. What do you mean like merch yeah. It'll be right up our alley. Be here's the thing there's no chance david dill but me and louis would have uh-huh. How many could you take before you quit in a heartbeat race. We would have bigger in size. All is is getting bigger inside. We could do a theater show. John lewis probably across the street. Prenatal beads find someone around outside. Lewis has faced got real serious thought they were close because i think there's no question mustard yugoslavia. Well you know just kidding. Okay all right guys. Let's take a quick second and thank our brand new sponsor for today. Show awesome sponsor which is piero zero trader smoking a good cigar is an experience but like wine it can be intimidating to get started but with purolator it makes it easy. It's the global cigar marketplace. 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This net is driving me out of my mind. Get him. He's this moment blacksmith chopsticks to k._f._c. and i know going but right up the two hours one time in the back with the tongs chicken trying to catch a full highly and i eventually did people shouldn't get health insurance says spend their time watching me a- all missed a fourteen year old black girl who's like get it again and again. This board lose came in. He caught up with us so stupid the same time we used to scoop out chicken. There was a girl that worked there was young. She was like fifteen or sixteen years old. You check check. She had braces. I remember the braces all mexico so hispanic put them in the manager at the place. It was married. He was like forty five years old. He's fucking her this young girl well. Oh it was the ninety s legal and fine now. She was like sixteen fifteen a three year old going. Where would they work. Who cares aw that's fucked. This insane manager robert story where i was jerking off in the bathroom primetime that opened the door and he just punched the he's shitting that shit for that long drill being the face but the whole mood is very good prada's beating up on a friday night. Just took so long to come to that guy fucking own your ass. He puts you in the face for jerking off. He fucked the hottest child at the russian now. You can't come unless you get punched in a k._f._c. So someone's abducting charles. The thing is that lewis forty five minutes to jerk off so the thing about jerkin offer forty five minutes coming and then getting punched in the face right after one the sizing about a k._f._c. when you're working at boston market. I've never lasted more than seven minutes. It's anything longer than seven and i just. I guess we're not into it right louis. It's a real commitment forty-five minutes before you get punched in the face you definitely did this who just all right back to work open the door and goose it and it was because he thought i decided to take a shit during primetime this child and you were in the bathroom. No one's watching what did you do. We have rules lewis. What did i do. You startled yep. It's like what the fuck you can punch launched me for shooting that sort of work myself get back to work. It's supposed to make louis tries to catch the flowers with the tongs. I got very indignant because i remember justifying like i was shitting. I had i had to go to the bathroom. Even though i wasn't he had no idea though so i was like i was i was relieving myself and i made it a big fucking thing but i still work there but here's what happened. I taught him fucking this check in the parking lot. He was fucking her in his car and i strayed and then i i ended up blackmailing him to let you have tons of turkey. Show succession accession you black under letting you give half time to jerk off in the bathroom during work. No i sort of equate casey and then i for a year after i got free k._f._c. a._f._c. anytime annie time i want. It was pretty cool on chris. Lewis made the same meal for ten years running a syringe. Are you looking first achier. Are you looking for a cheer for you. Because instead of reporting a pedophile you were a voyeur of blackmail you hugh instead accepted payment of chicken for one year one calendar year instead of turning in a pedophile took the most low stakes blackmail an in an all time low paul to he goes anything twenty dollars and under free for the rest of my life this guy this guy go. I would have given anything for free. Sky had ten grand in a suitcase. When he came to meet lewis it was like so what are your demands goes to. We're like barbie a super nintendo. If it was a nicer restaurant lewis would have let him killer yeah. I think you can choke right in front of me right in front of me out back. You can fuck babies. I here if pizza shiva's wife all the time but he does auto body work for say. I was also a child it might usefully. I never even connected the fact that it was a pedophile still right this moment. I bet when you take that free game seeing probably probably awesome. The authorities will probably picked up a pretty sticky. She's probably not doing good. No it was more about his wife finding oiling out and less about in the ninety s sixteen year old girls fuck stop saying the ninety s. It was just that you were young. It didn't seem that we're no. I'm gonna go and lewis on this. This there was a rose fifteen dating dating twenty four year old and fucking him and i remember being so angry i was like this is ridiculous us but everyone's like oh. You're just jealous. I was like yeah but that happened a lot. You're from like fucking garbage florida yeah. I'm from garbage upstate new york. It's no. I know both your towns skinny white. Kids never wear shirts that kind of ten guys don't also the <hes> florida. Was i remember that was soon soon. It wasn't it wasn't that crazy that six zero be fucking an adult. It was weird but it was more or less he was in his mind. I'm i'm a pedophile go to jail and lose my job and my wife is gonna find out sure from his perspective and it's only gonna cost me free chicken for this idiot bonus. I guess there is no god he wants me to touch. This wasn't lewis wasn't even sick of the food. He'd been working there for a year he wasn't even he wasn't sick of the food and yet. Can we put some full gimme potato. Take home you freak. He pays a shit. Just give me the baked. Bean sauce not ought to be sauce. I bring it home to my sadly barbecue baby raper cock sucker a- an order seven pieces they only come in three and five piece well now come and seven kit did mother talker. You won't call you up police. It always did i really do you really wanna where these people are like. What austin the boss yeah i do. I'd like how is that. Where is he right now. We go find him as facebook. I've done that where you find we had we did a live show one time time and <hes> this and stanhope and me and doug benson and we're doing this game word like doug city guess anyone's age stanhope said he gets anyone's weight right and i was like i can guess anyone secret and so we guest this kid in the front row yo. What's your don't like. I don't know <hes> twenty seven hundred eighty six pounds and i go you kill them in a d._u._i. One time never never told anyone and the guys know and then i go what your secret and he just got caught off guard and he goes lost virginity to my sixth grade teacher. Everyone went nuts and you know stand ups like he was raped. Fucking chaos right so then i go what was her name and he gave us the real name and i looked up on facebook and she is still working with children and yet and it was like and i can never release that episode obviously poker game you don't. You're not releasing. The name of this pedophile protecting apprentice bradfo you're not even getting lewis is like why don't you have a lifetime supply of pencils. You stupid fuck. You uses fear advantage print paper every occasion lifetime. Employees officemax followed her. I'm gonna see if i can find idiot. I got her thing and they follow and i was like oh fuck and then i just never ended it. He chose to get away with fuck bucket. Kids have to be some of the coolest people in the world. Now i'll tell you right now. I can think of three teachers when i was underage. Did i would've dreamed have sex with santa said oh my god. We're doing girls. Okay uh-huh i have none of my teachers. Were like attractive. Maybe the guys were to the girls but like the women teachers were all like fucking ragged in my school. I i don't think any teachers my god miss martinez ron fucking smoke shows talent miss santangelo allow this course that ms martinez whatever the the music the blonde bitch miss barnes who fucking talking. I was like we went to your school. They really are better. She had the softest most genuine smile bert. You have this now because it's funny my daughter going through the school and high school have you had your daughters have hot teachers when you go to the school to meet like for meetings and stuff and they have like young hot teachers. I'm not that good dad yeah. I think i have no idea where they go to school. I've never there's only one there's only one teacher that i know about and his last name's gear snag or something and isla comes home one day she goes. Hey dad told mister gator snuggle. You can help them out in the business and i was like what get him a job acting or something dad. If you get like a pilot you got to write a role for him and i was like what she's like. He's having a rough time yeah. He's lost. A couple of friends and things aren't really paying the way i go. What do you all know islands inappropriate that you know that she goes no. It's not an appropriate. I walked into class early the other day and he was crying and i was like i can just imagine my daughter just walked in. There's a grown man crying at his desk is like is everything okay okay and he's like working out for me. I love your comedian worked for me to look into it just if he gets the pilot or something maybe just a small part and so i wrote i wrote a i wrote him into a pilot. Yeah i wrote. I wrote a time travel a pilot where my daughters go into the future. Come back for the future to save my wife's life not knowing anything about the butterfly effect or this time space as continuum. It's like fucking idiots travelling in time and and so the first day they come back from the future. They want to see what the teachers are up to as they go hang out with. This guy ain't get stoned with him. Yeah i think it was called bill and ted's excellent adventure by the way by the way it's actually the new one is their daughters travel back in time is it really is fighting. Get picked up your daughter's really really about two daughters. I sent it out and a bunch of people like i don't know we're into it and then that came out and everyone's like <hes> never mind leslie jones and and <hes> kristen wig yeah she's bills daughter this your son have any hot teachers lois yeah his both. The teachers were pretty hot his kindergarten teachers so we had two younger ones four. My daughter's kindergarten teacher came to my first album recording. It was pretty weird and she answered a lot of things. Honestly yeah my son's first teacher. She was high. She got pregnant which i- weird pregnancy fetish i hap- yep i straight up regularly louey who love a nice cream cyber lewis on this one yeah love o'clock. The prego cream pie hawking pregnant to you are louis king hot pregnant new keyword search frago cream pie. No that's horrible man so your girls you don't break the cycle of intergenerational poverty. I remember the first time i google pregnant porn tot. I was never felt more never felt more hispanic and you're not had a. I was come up. It was like the real test of like how deep perversion go. This is dial up porn right this is i was twenty six. It must have been nineteen ninety nine. The date actually mailed google. Google actually took nine months to download pregnancy for no shit yeah i was i was in the universal sheridan and it came up on a on the page uh-huh like porn page. It was pregnancy porn and i was like you know when you broke your governor and you're like nothing's turning you on and then all of a sudden you see something you've never seen. You're like okay. Let's roll all the dice sure let's see if we like quicksand porn and so would you quicksand porn just google it and so the stock and they can't move so fucking your step kid comes in and fucks you. You never see quicksand. Cyberattack inventions quicksand born girls walk through the woods. What's right also she's like maybe if i take my off. It'll help uh-huh uh-huh god. It's hot right way. I'm fuck you. I'm being honest right winter. Tit gets to the mud and it kinda list as the fucking hot part. Take my really the fucking most perverted guy in here. No no no no. That's not really sucks in the mud. Come on man. It's not deficit perversion version. It's more like <hes> like deficit perversions darker than that but like it is like i never understand that like the fetish of like feet shit or someone being stuck like those chit everybody. We love speed yeah everyone does this. I couldn't give the girl recently and i in the middle of it. I just put her telling my mouth and i was like oh immunised if a girl seems to want her. I'll do it but i don't care about feet at all but you're saying if you're gonna watch porn. You choose a foot porn. Yeah no i i it's all diversity for me so look at the end of the day cream pies always going to be in there. Why would i ever watch what would ever watch a porn without the man inside of the woman i never want. I always go for facial shots. Why because we don't agree on the same come splash. Ah watch out j. He'll do it and the only one who can block it. Is you know do you do cream pies personally personally and like enjoy watching them because as soon as i come on like all right let's get towels. Do i come great on paper thing but in application you're like my sheets. There's a baby clean yourself up tong replacement. You come inside of the girl talk. Yeah yeah yeah no no owning toshiyuki. Oh you drip onto your seat. No that makes a good point. That's the actual cream. Push it back out when they push the like watching. I don't watch. I just came in yeah. Yes well word. Audience lewis yourself to honor system. Frost worthy herbert in the world came again. Louis google is on again. This one's big. I like pregnant cream pie honor system porn. It just came. I mean obviously nothing. I will come in and as he's coming. He pulls his comes a little bit honor puss but then it drips out a little bit the whole ambience wow. There's no reason to say on beyond accent. He's actually a great father. Literally really i just described how he made my child practice and porn like to see the work. I like to see you know. Do you know that's they might like. I didn't actually come inside of my son's mother. I came on her puss and then i put my dick back in that move that will get a girl pregnant. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. We know that what is that. What does that move call out. A lot of white. Guys know that yeah pretty standard shoot went on her person that you put back. Wow those baby. The baby squirts out. You thought the air air killed them. Yeah expose earth's atmosphere caning power for yellowstone wales is once the second they got beat up on a date came in like a lifeguard and shoved it back in the water my babies can't i can't breathe oxygen. Hey guys real quick talk about one of our <hes> favorite sponsors here over at legion gangs and strikeforce energy. We all spend spend a way too much money on caffeine and lewis. You're hitting starbucks several times a day. Two point. I am also yeah so amazing. Strikeforce energy is it. It's just a clear liquid that you put into anything. You are drinking. Put in the water. 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I let's go back to porn. I'm kind of curious. I can't i can't do anything. That is anything that you've seen in movies movies. That doesn't work in real life like like nothing with the rock hobson sean lee. You know it's like i don't know cream pies. Don't work in real life and like you can't do them because then you just fox things up. It's like it. It's the the difference it's like. It's the reason i have a disconnect with strip. Clubs is like they get naked tooth. I was just talking to someone about this. They get naked too fast like no woman woman gets naked that fast that they get making fast. Your brain is trained to go. This is a trick like you know like a girl like usually a girl like i. I want girls to come in and like an overcoat with socks. I wanna see the the belt mark in her stomach i just i think that that would be more. It's actually it's like if a girl came up to you you wanna stripper have built your jordache lines in our ass. It's like it's like if if a woman came up and she had like a full blown outfit on and came over and goes. Hey just showed you her vagina. You'd be like holy fuck but if like girls in a negligible the kinda already see it and then she shows it to your. I thought that was coming like you know does that. Make sense like a corn heart jacket and like road flare yeah. No i think it's harder to see you grow pussy wearing jeans and if she showed her lingerie for sure absolutely yeah. Do you remember a few years ago. There was a whole whole category of legitimate rape point. It wasn't just like sharking sharking the phone under the <hes>. <hes> skirts toilets skirt attitude. I would beat my shark porn. Sharking is so much usually asian yeah. It's it's guys running up to girl and his. It's answering your buddies saving their. You pose pants down. Everyone laughs at his dick all right now rape them will you do to a woman is raped interesting yeah. No they walk up to might have been problematic and seven they all japanese i think stuff and they would just pants girl with their skirt and pants them and then it was just like what's funny. As asian girl has the same react how they just phased asian women. I'm ann arbor anything. I said the when i was in australia there was an asian woman sitting outside like an outdoor cafe and she kind of had a cheeseburger. She opened up bigger foods. You'll get a cheeseburger far. As soon as she opened her food. I mean five hundred seagulls came down and took every french fry and everything and i'm telling you that's a situation where i would. If that happened to me. I was going i. It's a screaming for the heavens. I thought the state was going on. I opened up a doorway and this asian lady did this and that's sort of the same sentiment. The guy runs on the street lifts their skirt over their head and then pulls their pussy out and there is a reaction to it was like oh christ come on guy. I am every store before. They never seemed to be friends. They seem like it happens three times a week. Yeah fucking. That's a culture that works out to get back to push enough. I me- turni's me play joe ah yeah but that was like a few. It doesn't even exist anymore. If you try to search for videos guys jerking off for housekeeping <unk> are always hilarious if film themselves jerking off and they call housekeeping come in and then when they come and they always go they walk in and go do need more interesting a guy like sitting on a bed like jerky over the headphones phones on with headphones on just does he's pretending that he doesn't know faulk and they always do take a second peak. Sometimes they won one or two of them. They just sit and watch the fake ones. Sometimes they just sometimes they just start fucking them in front of excellent lighting the one or two. I've talked about particularly or because like it doesn't go that far but they're just kind of like weirdly lingering being like. Are you gonna finish pretty great. Is that a crime. What is that a crime lime finish. Is that a specifically a crime. If you are a phones into your ears fucking days gotcha bro. I'm what's his crime. What's a crime. Is it a crime brian to be masturbating as your hotel maid company run yeah yeah just freak k._f._c. for life. Crime yeah yeah yeah. I think it's a crime but it's very hard to prove yes. I think he can really speak english rush today. No all right it's gotta be it's gotta be illegal but i don't know how can you prosecute that one of the guys who go i know jerking off and feed off listening to music with my camera pointed at the door four walls and your career or help your career. If someone got a hold of that camera on your computer and released a video of you jacking off it would be it would it would. I don't know what it would do to my catcher mental microsoft because i always think thing about that. Christine covers hers with tape how much i jerk off to my computer. How many there's just like this up. Close like the mouth breathing. He thinks searching for something like try. Gangplank mostly black few white awful view of easy right in the camera looking at the settled back and we go back in ed. We brought this up recently like i. I've always off lefty and i search righty. Oh okay so i just fucking. I'm gonna fucking ready to go now. I switch to drummer the script blue seven scra- screamed alert show seven blue with if somebody's trying to scroll left jerk right. I had one time one time i was in new york and i was listening to the opie and anthony of patrice patrice is the day he died and they were like today died and there. It's a weird thing jerk off too but that's my fucking guy. It's all it's all audio audio. There's no video and so i'm listening to it and then i born and the other one watching the porn listening to audio but i'm jerking off in that one had gotten out that would have ruined my career problem with me jerking off for the day patrice i can. I get another martini please. I talked about it a few times on the show. I'll give you a little bit of a sacred bird if you want him 'cause. You're a little prettier perfect me. You wanna know if i could trick yeah all right. You take this up so you can find. There's a lot of bert lewis as masterpiece okay so there's a lot of retired porn stars okay and they will they'll do interviews about. How porn is oh yeah before you could say it. Let me just cosign this burt yeah. This is brilliant and i. I like to come down and louis when applicable but this is good taint chicken fingers. This is the real deal so you'll find these interviews. If these retired porn stars and they're like my life sometimes it will describe a specific scenes where they they were hurt in various ways asshole ripping just props but they were trying to gut it out and get through it because the directors were me. There's dozens the mouth or easily right so as soon as you find the girls in you find their interviews talking about a run their life and then you find the scene specifically that they're describing you listen to the audio of them describing it ruining their life while you jerk off to the video of what their thriving wow so that's like that's like when they introduced me to putting ranch on baroni pizza thought take your take your lap now. Take your lab. You deserve it. You deserve nobody. This idea is the reason why i thought gas digital would be a success when we were told me he was starting. Guess digital. I was like well. Here's a g._s. Should upload those two porn hub yourself match the audio and do your own account count like a gas digital porn hub. I mentioned that <hes> that hawkers wanted porn and those i mean just having literally she walks into her father father's crying that she's doing porn how it is better when you know before you wash the scene. That's the one that ruined their life. It's an extra sweet jerk for some reason. Did you ever see the porn with savanna samson and rocco so freddie's that's pacific. Oh no no no no no no no no no. Oh it is it is it is the most intense porn i've ever seen in my life so i'm gonna lay the back story and then i'll paint the picture. Savanna samson goes on it was a dancer it at a scores she goes on howard stern and says my real dream is to fuck rocco sa- freddie's raucous goes freddie's as aggressive in bed yeah. He's a he's put the face in the toilet. <hes> yes very very foreign very foreign. Its production company where he's like just really shitty. Do this girl's really puts his foot on their face while he does it by the way i the only thing lewis has a subscription to rocco sa- freddie's here is that the way that hey must vidal must've heard nate talk about right right flies her over on his dime and then shoots her is important. He's got another girl there to kind of help. Help her be cool with what's going on but mother fucker. You watch this point. Have you ever watched a porn and you find yourself swallowing. You're just going like god damn it man. There's a lot of jewelry here like you. Your and you find yourself not breathing like she's sucking dick so hard <music>. I'm holding my breath by the way fifteen minutes in and she's done the blow job. You could see it on her is like i'm fucking done like in a spin class. When you're like ten minutes we have forty five more minutes and then he goes all right. Take your pennies ago. He doesn't even fuck fuck this fucking mocking her was looking for his keys in her in her eyes are bloodshot from the appetizer dude and you can see the girl next to him like yeah. It was almost like a gang getting jumped in these like like i've been there. It is be most intense point i've ever seen in my life and it defines say i couldn't present that's right in my wheelhouse. Oh house i couldn't. I couldn't jerk off to happen. I would have to watch the interview with howard stern. I with her saying that she wants rocco. Oh then got brought to you got to that's another gas to digital original gotta do during the large part of that interview and then when he was in a fucker lecco there's a comedian named god damn it his name slipping my mind yoshi yoshi edited edited porn for not seymore butts but <hes> mr <hes> what the fuck was one of those hilarious names so he goes. I do komo improv and he says hey man cassette of course and he goes. I appreciate it. Why don't i give you some of these porn that i have porn you can put it in with your shirt. You can sell more mertz outweigh. I was like nice. She gives me like fifty points. I sell out shirts. I give away every fifty porn. I so almost shirts. I'm so excited. I'm sitting at the bar afterwards with tony who owns the improv and and you know she's got one more left. He goes oh. I found one more. I could have given it to you. Sold it until you put it in. Let's see what birches gables fans. It is women fisting other. It's not even it's sexy. It's not hot at all. It's just pussy punched in and i'm like that to a bunch of people that could be my fans like they're going to go home. Fuck that burt guy man now. No one gets upset over free fisting porn. I mean we pay for it. Perhaps but i mean and no one's going to be upset if you give it away for free has no clue like about pornography at all like my wife saw that's ethan. Oh no no no no no not really doesn't watch it at all. 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[BYWG PODCAST] Theres No Plan B for Your A-Game

Beyond Your Wildest Genes

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[BYWG PODCAST] Theres No Plan B for Your A-Game

"Arto three four five five six seven eight hello. Byu WG tribe this doctor Noah quick peek at our supplement product in book of the month for May twenty twenty at the end of the podcast. I'll spend a few minutes going into further detail so we encourage you to listen to the in. The supplement of the month for me is our deep sleep assist. The ten percent discount code for the month of May is sleep ten. That's all lower case. It's case sensitive it's S. L. E. P. Ten our book of the month this High Fiber Kito a twenty two day science-based plan to fix your metabolism lose weight in pounds. Your hormones are product. Company of the month is Pretty. Frank formerly called primal pit paste one hundred percent natural ingredients. Vero cosmetic bs all the links Discount Code has special offer for the product supplement. In Book will be listed in the show tonight tunes posted on Social Media in a weekly newsletter and on our website at www under wildest jeans dot com at the. Listen now tab. Thanks for listening. Hello and welcome back to beyond your wildest jeans podcast. I'm excited for today's guests. Just about his ever as I've ever been several years ago I absolute pleasure to spend the weekend workshop with Bo in Hoboken New Jersey working on my our personal story and I've been enamored with bows work ever since a really took as many twenty one day course and just finished his new book. I'm a huge fan. I absolutely gushing right now. How how are you today both? I'm doing good. No I dislike you know when we were recording this. Everyone's kind of in lockdown. So we're you know we're doing our best. I hear you thanks for being on. Let me just run through your bio and then we'll get started bose speaker performer and author. He started his career in the. Nfl is a top pick for the Houston. Oilers continuing on with San Francisco. Forty niners during its five-year career. Both competed decide against some the greatest players of his generation after its hooker entity branched out into acting and wrote a one man play called went to the litter that had an extended off. Broadway in fifty city national run now in his third act as a speaker leadership coach he trained some of the most successful people in the world include athletes artists entrepreneurs and C. Suite on how to communicate for maximum impact and success. Yes consulted for clients like Advisors Excel Morgan Stanley dimensional fund advisors mass mutual Guardian Merrill Lynch and Bank of America. Who I've I've had the pleasure to hear you speak in person I've listened to tons of your audio's but for our audience. Can you give us like a cliff notes version of your story so our audience get a feel who you are? Yeah I'd be happy to try and make it as cliff notes as possible when I was a kid. When I was nine years old I drew up a twenty year plan with school paper to be the best safety in the world the best safety in the NFL and And many years later through a lot of Through a lot of pushback can a lot of You know obstacles. In my way I ended up being a top safety in the NFL. And then after that. I did the same exact thing. I didn't know what to do with my life after after having seven knee surgeries and couldn't play anymore so I just did the same thing that I did. When I was nine I just created a new plan and and this plan was to be the best stage performer. So after eighteen years of training at that and attempting that I ended up off Broadway and a one man show called run to the litter which was named by the by the New York Times as the most powerful play of the last decade. And it's been made into a movie and so after I finished with that I did that. Play for like seventeen years and then I did the same thing in the speaking world. I said I want to be the best speaker. Let's try that. Let's keep trying this best thing so I wanted to be the best safety. They're not wanting to be the best stage performer. They don't want to be the best speaker and then author and playwright and all these things so I just kept attempting these things and I kept repeating the same word every twenty years which was the best and and then here we are today. You know I wrote this book called. There's no plan B. for your game and it became a seven time bestseller here as we as we speak. And so this word the best keeps creeping into my life and You know it all goes back to the way. My Dad woke us up when we were kids. He woke us up. I'm the youngest of six kids so he woke up my four older sisters. My older brother and me by rubbing are back early early in the morning because he was he was a rancher or a farmer and five in the morning he would wake us up. Rub Our backs and tell us that we were the best and he would he would ask. You know the the men of that generation of my dad's generation. Every other word was was a cuss word. Right so so every every morning. When he woke us up he would drop in a few a few cuss words as he told us. We were the best and told us to get out of bed because we were the best and that is pretty much my story. That's pretty much what I've done my whole life. I've done the same thing over and over again but I've just done it in different disciplines in different occupations. Why let's start here? This is this is was so important for me when I took that weekend. Course and creating my sort y stories Bo. You are an absolute master story teller. The Best I've ever heard. I know whoever tells the best story wins? I believe that one hundred percent. So why why stories? Yeah because it just goes back to human nature it goes right back to our ancestors and that is the one thing that is connected generation to generation even the ancestors. You didn't even know that's how they taught The young how to hunt how to survive how to compete and that's gone generation to generation so story. We know works. But here's here's what I liked the current situation. So we're at a L- we're at the lowest level of trust that that there's ever been in the world so Gallup does a poll every year since nineteen seventy four and in one thousand nine hundred seventy four they. They asked a simple question Gallup and they said this. Do you trust your neighbour. And back in one thousand nine hundred seventy four. Two thirds of the people trusted their neighbors. So those are the people. They share a fence with a backyard fence with two thirds of the people in nineteen seventy four trusted their neighbor. Well today. They've done that that Gallup poll ever since today it's at its lowest level. It's ever been which is one third of people say that they trust their. So if you think about that Noah wow what does that mean if you live across the street or what does that mean. What are the levels of trust I in the next town or the next state or the next country the trust levels? Just go down and down and down until we don't trust anybody anymore and the people that can share themselves that can tell their own story. Those are the ones who will be on the leading edge of US restoring and rebuilding this erosion of trust over these years. And that's us. That's us on this podcast right now so if you have the bravery and the willingness to share who. You are kind of like what I did to open this podcast. It was simple. It was a minute and a half but it it it takes all the trust that the erosion of trust that's been built up over time and it it lets. Everybody dropped their guard because they're hearing about a kid who grew up a certain way and they're hearing a personal story and they go. Oh I'm like this guy or I'm like I had a dad like that or I had a family like that. I grew up on a farm. All they're looking for. Is these connective tissue. That story lays out and all of a sudden. You've got trust well that you know. There's there's this study that's been done Noah and it is it is of leadership and the study goes all the way back to Julius Caesar in the middle of the Roman Empire and the study went all the way through to the presidential election here in America in two thousand twelve and what they did was. They studied leadership. And here's the question. They were asking themselves. Why do people follow people? Why do people follow other people and the number one that all those people had to have and we're going back to Julius Caesar all the way to Lady Gaga was in the study all the way to Osama bin Laden of all people in the study but the study? It just wasn't a presidents in kings and Queens. It was why do people follow people and the number one ability that every leader every person that has had people follow them whether it's Osama bin Laden Lady Gaga Are Julius? Caesar all had one ability. They had the ability to share their own story. And that gives people connective tissue to then trust you and follow you now. Story can be used for evil and it has been in history several times right like you can get is. You can get people to fly airplanes into buildings based on a story or you can inspire people you can put a man on the moon and return him safely to Earth based on a story and so. That's why you know if you give story if you put stories of it's such a powerful tool that if you if you give it to the wrong people it can be used to really makes some really get people to move in a certain way in an evil way. If you think about Hitler the one thing he was you guys right was an amazing storyteller so amazing that damage that can be done by storytelling. But then then think of it from the other side. Think of like wow the declaration of independence that we that are you know. Our forefathers wrote two hundred and fifty years ago. They wrote that we don't even know those guys we didn't we weren't related to them. We don't know them. We didn't have any part in writing. They wrote it yet. Every singing. And all that is is that declaration is a story. It's a story of freedom. We Will Live. A certain way will speak a certain way. We'll we'll walk freely will live freely and this is how we're going to bring our country our freedoms and country into existence through story and yet even though you and me Noah and everyone on this podcast we didn't have anything to do with writing the declaration of independence yet. If you live here in America you bring that story into existence. You bring the story to life every day by the way you express yourself and the way you move freely throughout the world. Now that's how powerful story is so You know people go well story. It's it's light it's soft. It's you know something I don't need. Well no no it it is. I'm telling you especially with what we're going through now write. Your story becomes even more valuable and and and no. Here's the first pushback that that you'll get right. The first thing that people want to say when I tell them their their story is valuable. They usually say now. I've kind of lived kind of a boring life or my life has been kind of mundane. Well it is to you because you lived it right but to me. It's not because I don't know your story and as soon as you tell it to me now you and me connect now you and me or one so for me telling you a story about playing in the NFL. So that seems kind of boring to me. Kim seems kind of mundane right. Because I did it I lived that life but to you. It sounds like oh that's cool. That guy played in the NFL. That must be cool so that your story is exactly like mine. No one's hurt it. You have to have the bravery and the courage to actually share so that people connect you and follow you so then so then other than not thinking that your stories mundane when. Somebody's about to sit down in right there story. What do you suggest the most important thing that they think about when they start this process the most important first thing you should think about is it's got to be personal? Most of us try to distance ourselves from our own story. You've heard people do this before these people like if you watch the news. Do you know if you watch a news commentary there. Nothing's personal to them. So that's why you don't trust them. That's why you have no connection with them because nothing personal. They share personal. Et politicians are like this to torture. Typically they'll nothing will be personal. So there's no connective tissue for you to connect to. I want you guys to not be like politicians and not be like news commentary where the trust is so low. I want you to have the courage to be personal with your story so your story may sound. It may start off something like this when I was nine years old. My grandfather sat me down and did this when I was twenty one years old. I met this girl and I said man. I'm GONNA marry her. Those are the beginnings of great stories. Even though they may not be overdramatic they do. Is they connect you to your audience because your audience sees themselves inside your story so the more personal your story is more universal it becomes so the more personal for you the more impact. You have on an audience if you make impersonal light. It's a theory like it's informational. Don't do that make it personal. Because that's what connects to your audience and breaks down that that barrier of trust that's been built up over time. What what's your why I think a few things when you when you talk about the one I think about authenticity and then I think about you because in your book you Utah you get very person in some things are even about your son. Axel when you talk about his twenty year plan of being in the NBA and the NFL and I and it's riddled throughout your book to the point where you know because of who you are. And because of his twenty year goal he's attracted all these incredible coaches and people in his life to help them succeed to reach that goal. And that just that just resonated with me. I can't tell you how much that resonated I'll tell you a quick story My son is a freshman in high school. And he's he's found a niche in cross country and track. And he he. He's he ran in the state sectional as a freshman in winter track. He he thought that he should have been running in a varsity race and he he didn't get selected from the team and he really went Austin rails and because of my podcast and because of who I know what I've done and the connections. I've made those able to connect to a multiple times to I think a friend of Yours Jeff Spencer. Oh Yeah Yeah and and Spencer was able to hop on the phone with my son. And he's an elite coach and he was. He spent an hour with my son. And kinda talk them down to it and and that's something that That's totally invaluable for him. And for me and So very grateful. Yeah no and that's what it takes. I mean you know lucky of access to a guy like Jeff Spencer who has been on teams that have won seven Tour de France in a row. I mean you know listen. The Dude knows what it takes to win. A gold medal knows what it takes to be a world. Champion knows and those are the people who only see the possibilities. Everyone is looking for the impossibilities right. But not a guy like Jeff Spencer. You know he's looking for. How do we win this gold? Not How do we lose this gold? And that's what the world that's how the world thinks about they're thinking about how can I eliminate myself? How can I cancel myself and and you know as we go through as this pen? Pandemic goes on. I find that the people who make things happen regardless of the obstacle standing in front of them will be the ones on the front of this wave wants. The world goes forward. Which by the time people are listening to this? Maybe it has gone forward by now and then the people who are always looking for an opportunity to canceled themselves themselves from greatness. They'll certainly take this pandemic as an excuse to eliminate themselves from greatness. Well said well said now I WANNA talk to you about mindset primarily. Because what's going on and I want to read something right from your book and then maybe see if you could alter it from what's going on today so is from your rules. This is rule number five. I won't go it alone. We're social creatures. Just way we're made we create community living groups. We want connection. We are like tweet us any connection right now other than with our family so when it comes to mind set what what what. What do you have to say about this? Well being that I have lots of say about the situation. We're in now because we're in our homes with our families right so that is your initial team right there. So let's talk about building your team right there because it's true. Nobody wins alone. If you look at anybody who's achieved any kind of greatness all you have to do is look around. Who was around them when they were kids. Who is around them as they were becoming adult? Who's around them? That's the people who build this thing you know. There's this whole theory. It's not a theory. It's it's just it's fact right. The spartans were the greatest warriors right then. They grew up in a warrior culture. That was their culture and Stephen Press wrote. This great book called the warrior does and he talks a lot about the spartans any talks a lot about who has who's responsible for every war that's ever been one and we can. We can push this forward right into elite athleticism elite leadership everything. That's elite here. Today we can draw right back to why why those people are elite and Stephen Press field in the book talks about Spartan Moms. It was the women who decided who won the wars back in Sparta. It was the women who decided who went one every war since that time. So every war. That America's been in that we won. It wasn't the men who won the war. It was the women because if the women buckled under bodybags are under Losing their sons or their husbands if they buckled then the whole country would buckle along with them but the women of Sparta they did not buckle though the spark moms told their kids handed their sons shields and they said come back with this shield or comeback on this shield so they and if you look at anybody who's elite whose ultimate prize fighter An elite athlete an elite. Ceo An elite chiropractor in elite functional medicine. Doctor It is the family that makes them that way because they don't buckle under all the sacrifices and all the pain all the blood and sweat and tears that goes into being elite and as soon as that Spartan mom buckles over you will never reach the top so right now being that. We're you know in our homes with our families. That is where you start building your team from. Is Your family now. Us dads most people think. Oh It's the dad. That makes an elite athlete. No It's never the dad because most of us I had a dad right but most of US elite athletes had no dad's so that's why when you see him on. Tv They always say thanks. Mom Hi mom. They're talking to their MOMS because the moms are the ones that got him into the NFL. Their MOMS who made them heavyweight champion of the world. It wasn't their dad's because a lot of us never had that but dads position now is to be like my position in my family is to have the big vision for them and really be their cheerleader. The MOM is the one like my wife Dawn. She's the one who says my kids get to be elite because on this so on their way to being the best at their chosen fields there's gonna be surgeries. There's going to be the missing of a prom date. There's going to be the Miss Birthday parties. They're going to miss things right. And a mom cannot buckle in those situations. The MOM is the tough one in the soon as the mom goes like this as soon like when? I had my first knee surgery when I was like sixteen or seventeen in high school. What if my mom would have buckled? What if she would have sat in that operating waiting room and said I don't want this for my son. I don't want his dreams to come true if he has to go through knee surgeries like this and I have to sit in the waiting room of this knee surgery. What if she would have done that? Well you know in the end you guys had seven knee surgeries right but what it in. You might think that's a bad thing but what it did give me was perseverance. Was that my mom will not buckle and this. I will go to the top. Come hell or high water and that's what we're building for our family inside our home and that's my wish for everybody who stayed home with your family now. Is You all get behind each other? There's dreams and visions of greatness. And you make sure that that person fulfils on their birthright which is to be the best in the world at their dream at their declaration in in my day to day business. You know we say always that you know the mom stay make all the health care decisions for their family as one hundred percent true mom yet all the healthcare to my story starts with my mother to even though. I have an absolutely fantastic father. My story started with my mother as well so I I get I get you know. There's there's a lot of teams in your book but but one of them is a four step process. I was wondering if you can kind of quickly go over declaration. Preparation acceleration domination. Yeah let's let's talk about declaration. I now this is the very first thing you guys. So it's no different as you might have guessed by now. The declaration of Independence is big in my life because it was written so long ago. And and you and me and our kids and everybody we know at least here in America keeps that vision keeps that declaration alive every day by the way we by the way we live our lives. So the first thing is declaration so most people they were goals elected word mission or the like the word vision. I love this declaration. I love making a declaration. I want to be the best safety in the world. I want to be the best stage performer in the world. I want to be the best speaker in the world. I WANNA be the first guy to play in the NBA or any in the NFL at the same time. I want to be the best pastry chef I want to be the best Ballerina in the world. Those are those are declarations that you live you bring to life on day one of the declaration. You start living it now today. You don't have to wait and do a big to do list to reach this. You have to start living it today. That declaration you bring it to life and so does your whole family. I Love Declaration. That's why I use that term decorated. So all of you have to have that. And here's a little tip. Use The word. The best in your declaration. Use the term the best. Because if you don't you're GONNA get second-best right because whatever your declaration is this is my bent been my experience my whole life. I've been doing this since I was nine. they're gonNA it's GONNA come true so it's hard to be mediocre right and it's hard to be the best so it's equally is hard right because you know it's just GonNa take a lot of work for you to be second best or third best or or media a hundred and thirty seventh best. It's going to take a lot of work for you. Get there so you might as well. It's GonNa take to you the same work to be the best so choose the best mean. The work is the same. And it's GonNa come true so might as well you might as well say you're going to be the best in the world at that thing because the work equal okay that's declaration. The second part is acceleration right or preparation. I'm sorry preparation second. So they'll the first thing I'd say about preparation is remember. It's mindset remember who you are. Remember who you are. Who Are you? Who are you an I? What is Mother Nature? Say that we are the news. Media tells you your mediocre right. You're schoolteacher told you you were stupid right. Your coach told you you were kind of okay at football or basketball but you kinda suck your ballet teacher told you you were okay right. But what is Mother Nature? Tell you she tells you you're number one you were born against all odds three hundred million to one odds that you would be born the day you were the day you were conceived you and me There was three hundred million sperm released on that day. You were one of them and that was a race. That was a swimming race to the death and there was only one winter. There was no second place right and you tell me against three hundred million to one odds who won the first race you ever entered you did I did. There's no accident there. So now you're supposed to be born into a world and short try to fit into this model. That says your mediocre. We don't fit into that model. It's not it's not in our DNA so stop it. Remember who you are. That's a preparation. Your mindset the third principle is acceleration. Which is it's going to be right up your alley because this is your field right acceleration. Is You have to ask yourself this question if my declarations GonNa Take Twelve fifteen twenty years to for me to be the best in the world at this thing do. Here's the question you have to ask yourself do. I have the stamina to fulfil on that dream on that declaration and you have to ask yourself. Do I have the health? Drive the vitality. Do I have the ability to last that long? You better start making some investments right now to assure yourself that you're going to be here in in twenty years because you're GonNa be you're GonNa be the best in the world at a thing and then all of a sudden you're going to have some catastrophic injury our heart attack or cancer or something that takes you out and now you can't even share because now you're at the top now you have wisdom how to teach people united inspire people but you don't have the energy to do it because you didn't put in the investments that's where you guys come in right is that acceleration is the investment you put into your vitality to your energy so that once you reach the twenty years you got another twenty to share it and and and and impact the world that's acceleration and the last principal is domination which we've we've touched on already. Which is that team that you're going to build now because when you guys are listening to this we may be in a quarantine still. You're building your team from within from your family right but eventually you're going to go outside your family and you're going to start to get a players that help you fulfill this dream right so you know you talked about it earlier. No my son. He has this big dream. It's so big that no one's ever done it before right so it might as well be. Hey Bo we're going to put a man on Pluto and he's GonNa live on Pluto. Well well be the same. We gotTA figure out a way and we got to put a team together to fulfill on that birth right of of occupying Pluto and so imagine the stakes that are at you know the stakes that we have in place. We have to build an eight team around him to fulfil on that dream. So same is true for you. That's why I don't want your dream to be like mediocre. I don't want your. It'd be kind of average it's got to make you play a huge game like the biggest game that requires everything of you so that we get the a players around you so that they assure you that you fulfil on this declaration so those are the four principles. Just really quickly. You'll get more information in the book on those. Actually what I love about the book know is that there's no plan B. for your game. It's really easy. It's very your life will be very simple based on this book because you will realize if you're not the best in the world right now today this minute. Then you're opting for something else. You have an option. You have a plan if you don't have a plan. B. Then you're assured that plan is going to work. Here's the problem. Nobody has just a plan. They always have a fallback plan. They want a soft landing on their failures. I don't I don't have those for my kids. I don't have those for myself. There'S NO PLAN B. So if the less options you have the more successful you are the you know that that plan is going to happen. So at the end of each chapter in the book what you'll find is action steps. Like what were you? Put you to work so you can do this. And there's no better time than now to do it because you've got the time to do it you've got the focus and the energy to do it and And you've got the team around you your family to fulfill on a few other things that I really liked in the book one. When most people talk about creating a new habit they talk about twenty one days? You talk three times plus three. Do you talk sixty six days. Is that just something through experience? You found is a better number. Is it as simple as that? I've used them all just like all of you. Probably changing a habit or getting you know doing something different for twenty. I used to this term twenty one days than it hurt thirty days and then the most current study out of the University of London is saying this and this re think about this you guys. You'RE GONNA love this sixty six days and it's such a weird number right sixty six. So what the University of London study says that if you do something for sixty six days then on day sixty seven? It's going to be harder not to do that thing rather than to do that thing. So take for example We stopped drinking wine So no wine for sixty six days in a row and you just mark off those sixty six days and you. You're not drinking wine one after the other one after the other and on Day. Sixty seven you guys. It's actually harder to drink wine then. It is to not drink wine after sixty six days. So that's the current study so I thought. Wow that's cool time line. You know because it's a weird number so we started doing it with our kids right and we started Working on skills that they needed like say speed so if you're going to be the best athlete on the planet in twenty years let's break it into sixty six day increments like okay. So you're not you're going to have to be fast so let's use the. I sixty six days to learn how to put your foot in in the ground and generate energy into the ground because the fastest people in the world can put the most energy into the ground. So that's one skill that that my son will definitely need in the next twenty years so let's take sixty six days and master that one particular granular skill of putting your foot into the ground and what we found. Is that at the end of the sixty six days. He's he's got it you know it's harder to go back to not putting your foot into the ground. It's hard to go back to running slow. You just can't do it because your body's used to it now now you go onto the next sixty six days and you take on the new skill set which might be. Oh I WANNA learn how to write a book okay. So let's take sixty six days and learn and write for sixty six days so the day sixty seven. You're still writing. They sixty eight. You're still riding so take this sixty six days. There's a great. I take a whole section in the book and we'd give great examples because my kids do them and I do them and it really helps you get through this long slog of eighteen. Twenty years of your declaration yes. Yes When people talk about goal setting us a here you know. Smart. Smart and are as realistic. You very clearly. You Very Really Realistic. Very clearly book. Say Your goals should not be realistic. Yeah complete the one of the rules is is in the book is. I will be completely unreasonable. Since you you guys just think of anybody reasonable in your life. They're they're nice to have like like when like there's certain jobs there's certain people in my life who are reasonable and their they play their role. Well like accountants and like when my accountants reasonable right but I but when you're talking about us US leaders people on the front lines of our vision. You know the guy the how the one that people are going to the figurehead. That's you and me I love you I just don't I just don't think you can be unreasonable. I don't think you can be reasonable in that position. You gotta be completely unreasonable. So think about here's a great example and some of you might be shaking your heads right now but you know when John F. Kennedy said were he just got up on the podium. He said were GONNA put a man on the Moon in return him safely to Earth within the decade now when he said that that was completely unreasonable. Right so imagine the reasonable guys at NASA who heard him say that from the podium they must have turned to each other and said what in they l. did he just say. What did he say because they knew now that they were going to have to get to work? And bring this declaration into existence. And they had a time line right. So here's the beauty of it John. F. Kennedy Dies Right. He's assassinated and the declaration still came true because those guys and Gals at NASA had to all of a sudden become unreasonable. Like how are they GONNA? How are we going to get them off the moon once we get him on the Moon? How they going to get back here and they're going to be alive. How's that going to be? They just said F. it. They had to throw all caution to the wind and they had to figure the shit out. Just like you and me to do right now in the situation worrying so you have to completely unreasonable to do that if you told me last last year Noah hey go you know. I know you've got a busy schedule and stuff but hey here we want you to write a book. That's like three hundred and fifty pages long and you you raising your three kids at the same time and I want you to keep up your your daily schedule. I A reasonable guy would say this. There's no way in hell. I have time to do that but an unreasonable. Fool like myself goes. Oh Yeah I got what it takes man. I'll do it and sure enough. The unreasonable guy comes through with the pages and becomes a seven time bestseller and has to promote got book. It has to raise the kids in fulfil on their dreams and my own speaking things and and just like all of us. If you were reasonable would you be living this life right now? No you would be hunkered down under a blanket hoping nobody calls on you for anything but no you can't do that. That's were reasonable. People people have to create during this time. We have to make sure that we put a man on the moon and get him back safely to earth regardless of the situation. And we have to do it. We have to do it in a timeline. That is completely unreasonable. And against the Russians who are way ahead of us in this race to the moon and we have to do it given our leader is not here anymore. The very guy who made the declaration is now not living so that is completely throwing caution to the wind and being unreasonable. Look you would not be who you are. You certainly wouldn't be on this podcast. If you're a reasonable person you just would and I have never looked to a reasonable person when I wanted to get some shit done if I want my son to be the best athlete on the planet in twenty years. I go to unreasonable people to help me. Not reasonable people. Reasonable people would say what that's impossible Bo. The stats of that happening or really impossible. Because no one's ever done it in the history of humankind so it can happen. I'm not going to those people you guys because I need to get this shit done well as we wind down. I have a few last questions for you. Want to question every single guest. But what's your daily routine from Waking Sleeping? Oh Wow yeah. It's pretty simple. You guys I bet you all do the same thing you know. I drink a you know. Twenty ounces of water right right as I'm going to the bathroom initially first thing. I'm doing going to the bathroom. And I'm drinking the water down at the same time. And then I. I like coffee but I've cut down on coffee lately so I'll have coffee. I'll have a smoothie that's filled with a lot of it has protein in it. It has a lot of other things that my doctor has me doing. My functional medicine doctor has me doing and I go to supplements today. I usually get a breathing exercise in every day. Which then like like A. I have a breathing coach. He's actually a client and I love this. You know even though you and me. This is the first thing we do. When we're born into the last thing we do when we die is we we. Xl and we in how to do it as an exercise to do it as a ritual actually breathing properly and breathing deeply and doing breath holds and stuff like that. I found that to really make me feel good. And then that good heads right into a meditation and Kinda visualization and. Usually my son and I do this together. Cause he's usually visualizing about basketball or football or speed or something like that and I'm usually visualizing about my health about my vitality because I'm fifty nine now and I want to remain being having the same mindset as an elite athlete and so I'm usually visualizing and meditating on my health my vitality my energy and seeing myself For the next twenty years really being vital in that way so I usually go through that And then there's usually a section of the day that I'm kind of riding whether it's informal or formal. I'm usually writing the list or writing down thoughts that I'm having and usually this happens while I'm working out so a lot of times. I'll be on a stationary bike. Or I'll be working out in our Jim and I have these papers all stuck. You KNOW THOSE BIG O. Note pads that stick to the walls. They're big posters and I had them all over my gym walls and they're all over my office walls and I continually put down thoughts that I'm having and usually that'll turn into a speech or a chapter in a book or even a sentence in his speech that I'm giving so and those things usually come to me you guys when I'm moving like x. When I'm moving I usually get all these great ideas like I wrote my play you guys while I was training to run a marathon so as I was on these long runs. The ideas of the dialogue of the play came to me in the middle of ten mile. Run so something about movement and expression Kind of goes hand in hand with me and a lot of the expression. You guys the stuff that I write down the stuff. That record is is crap. Right like it's unusable but pearls will be in between that crap like they'll be stuff that's unusable. Then all of a sudden Pearl will fall out of my mouth or an idea of something will fall out of my brain right in the middle of me struggling through a run or through a bike ride or through lifting weights. So I'm constantly doing that and I am. Were very big on meals here in eastern households. Especially now I have a daughter who wants to be the top pastry chef right. So she's this amazing chef so she's been cooking her butt off she's Fifteen. Her name is L. Always and so. We eat a lot of great foods. We eat a lot of healthy food and we eat as a family especially dinner. We eat a lot of dinners together and you know I love that time so in the afternoons I usually keep my afternoons. Really Open Noah. Unless I'm on the road or something For the kids practices and rehearsals for dance and track and and football basketball. And those kinds of things. I always love to watch them develop. So that's a big part of of what I do and then I'm really you know Don and I are really focused on sleep. You know we have these aura rings. I'm sure a lot of you know about the ring. We're really measuring. Yeah we're more measuring our sleep and getting you know good good health and good sleep so You know that's that's really. Are you know that's really my day and you know? Obviously if I'm on the road certain things change but I'm constantly. Here's one thing that I would that I do kind of naturally all day every day that I'd love everyone to just at least know about Noah and Is I take the pulse of the culture every day and do this kind of innately now. Because I've been doing it so long and at first it might be mechanical for you but take the pulse of the Culture. And if you just close your eyes for a minute or even if you just turn on the news media for five minutes you'll feel and you'll hear where the culture is headed where it. Kinda collectively wants to go. And then you must bravely turn in the opposite direction and go counter to the culture that way you know who to look for for leadership you all you have to do is look in the mirror because you cannot lead if you are going with the culture you can only lead if you're going counter to the culture so I liked to know who my leaders are and I- preferably that would be me so I you must go bravely in the opposite direction of the of the culture that you're in that's something that that's that's a great bit of advice I will. I will take that into high consideration and start thinking that way. Thank you for that one. That was a great answer people. What's the best way to get in touch with you? Your courses your events. The link to the book will be will be in the show notes and we've talked a lot about this. But what about your other programs and things? Where can people find those? Yeah the Boeing Book Dot as the as the place for you know what what they'll get. No now is a a free guide. You know that really takes them through the nuts and bolts of the book and get the book to they can do the action steps and follow the Guide and and work through it Similar to way you did. But I also I've courses and it boase dot com is my website and I have courses where I trained people for three days at a time I also have masterminds people spend a year with me or several years with me and though Bowie Dot com would be the best place to look for those things they can follow me on. Instagram and facebook obviously But that that's that that is the best place to get a hold of me and if you really are serious about these things we can go to the level of depth that you want to go in especially once the WOR- world Goes forward And but I think the book is is a great start especially in the environment that we're in now because I just think if you build your environment especially your home environment right now. It takes care of about eighty percent of the problems. Once your home environment is designed in a certain way then these dreams in these declarations that are so big that you and your kids have your environment actually now that may sound crazy but once you get that in the book and you go through the free guide book you'll go through the action steps you'll really get. Wow I'm gonNA build my environment and design my environment that is equivalent to me being world class. That is something that we can really grab. Hold of right now and I'd love for people to do that. Thanks so much Bo You know you. You've been on my virtual jed eye counsel for a long time so great honour to interview today and I'm GonNa Make. I'm going to say it's going to be a realistic declaration that you will see me in one of your three day classes in two thousand twenty one. I don't think it's going to happen. Twenty twenty so I'll see twenty twenty one. Yeah Yeah No. I'd love to have loved lot love to have you know and I'd love. Here's what I love about. It is because once you get belly to belly and you can get your hands on people and then my movement coach which is a whole other section of the book Skull Predator John Louis. Rodrigue when he gets his hands on you. It's a whole different life. You're living you know it's it's Kinda like you know you. Those of you are Kreil practice. You know that a great chiropractor. It's so funny. They make one adjustment. And everything falls into alignment where other coaches are other chiropractors who aren't as seasoned and our as world-class they've gotta make several adjustments. But a lot of times I love the chiropractors who go. Oh I see the problem and that problem is taken care of. Everything's GonNa fall into alignment. I just love those kind of things and my movement coach John Louis Rod Bring. He's like that well said while settled. Thanks again Bo. My Name is Dr. No declare your co host near listening to beyond your wildest jeans podcast. If you like you've heard today please share those dear friend. Friends encouraged and subscribe on Itunes. Thank you and as my oldest son. Hayden says be awesome and never an awesome. It's STUCCO back. I suspect you love listening to this. Week's podcast release. 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Homecoming

Pop Culture Happy Hour

25:27 min | 2 years ago

Homecoming

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from internet essentials from Comcast. Connecting more than six million low income people to low cost high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more. Now, they're ready for anything. I everybody. This is Linda from pop culture. Happy hour. I'm here with Steven. Hi, Stephen her Lou, Linda, and we want to let you know that we have an upcoming live show in Brooklyn vitally. That's right. We're going to be at the Brooklyn podcast festival. It's on Saturday. January twelfth at five PM at the bell house favorite spot. Love that place. Yeah. And tickets are on sale, Stephen Dino where they can get tickets tickets at NPR presents dot org. We have always sold out the bell house in hours. So please go ahead and get those tickets ASAP at NPR presents dot org. Again, bell house January twelfth five PM we will have quiz. We will have guest is going to be a lot of fun. Come see us in Brooklyn. In the zone thriller homecoming. Julia Roberts plays a caseworker out of silly that helps soldiers readjust to civilian life or at least. That's what they say. It does but calls from a mysterious boss sessions with a young soldier make this caseworker question every homecoming has an interesting pedigree. It's directed by Sam 's mile who makes mister robot, and it's based on a fiction podcast from Gimblett media that launched in two thousand sixteen I'm Stephen Thompson. And I'm Linda Holmes today. We're talking about the new Amazon series homecoming. So come right back. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Baba's Bomba's has re engineered socks for alternate. Comfort by getting rid of that annoying toe seam adding arch support and using some of the world's softest kind. And for every pair purchased. Bomba's? Donates a pair to someone in need today. They've sold and donated over ten million pairs to feel the bumps difference. Go to be O M B A S dot com slash happy hour for twenty percents off your first order support also comes from weeks dot com a web platform for creating your own professional website with wicks whether it's your first time, creating a website or you're a longtime pro you can do it yourself. Choose from hundreds of stunning templates or start from scratch with the dragon drop technology and powerful web features. Join over one hundred and twenty five million people already using wicks to create their own websites. Goto w I x dot com to create yours today. Day. So what will you create welcome back? You just met NPR music's Stephen Thompson. Also with us is Glen Weldon of the NPR arts desk. Hi, glen. And in our fourth chair today is NPR TV critic, Eric Duggan's. Thanks as always for being here. Eric, what's a if you heard the show recently, you know, that Eric talked about homecoming in his what's making us happy this week since Eric had already talked about how much he liked the show he figured he would be exactly the right person to come to us about how much he liked the show. I'm going to go to these guys first. And then we'll get back to Eric Glenn. What did you think of homecoming? I listened to the podcast. I love the podcast. It is extremely well written. And it's the kind of writing that has a very high degree of difficulty because it's all done in dialogue on the page looks Mamat esque. Yeah. But of course, Mamat is performed in a very stylized mannered way and the podcast at least is the opposite of that very natural listing. It feels like you're eavesdropping. It's also purely auditory, obviously because it's the podcast. So it's natural to ask. What are you going to bring to this? Besides time. What can you infuse into it? And the answer is these amazing visuals, which aren't there just to be pretty they're there to do a very specific thing, we can talk about and these performances it's not fair to compare it to the podcast, but it's impossible not to because in many cases, the dialogue is verbatim. And what you're watching. If you know both is the same story overlapping dialogue being delivered with the same pauses the same double backs by different sets of actors, and you know while. Julia Roberts is great. We're going to talk about her kind of alley is just doing such great work. He's having a ball being this debate. And and on the podcast. He's played by David Schwimmer, which makes a certain medicine. But Schwimmer is Schwimmer. So there's a kind of Ross Geller thread of Moby penis and kind of is bringing slickness is kind of oleaginous alpha. Which is very can. I just say it's cool to have the worst friend playing the worst boss. Well, they're both guys who can play a really kind of unlikable person that you would not want as your boss, but in really different different ways. That's what's fascinating to me. So yeah, I also like that here the mom gets more to do because the mumps plagued by says he space. I would argue not still not enough. But but many dug it. Yeah. Steven, would you think? Yeah. I really loved it. I'm not familiar with the podcast. So I came into it trying to know as little as possible because I knew that there would be twists. And so for a while. I was watching it like thinking this was based on a nonfiction podcasts. A while to kind of it took me a while to get my would, be frightening terrifying. But Sam 's mile directs all ten of these episodes, and he brings a lot of what he brings to mister robot to this show dialed way way back it's not as self conscious as mister robot about the visuals. I think it is self conscious about the visual. So visually striking. You can't look away from it. But he brings some of what he brings to mister robot. But it's very very contained. I think this show benefits so much from these episodes being anywhere from twenty three to thirty seven minutes. So good. So you just kind of it makes the show so much more digestible you're not kind of heaving through the mechanics of of an hour long drama. So this show that can be very contemporary live still has this propulsed nece to it that kept me kind of like zipping to the next episode as quickly as I could I was a little bit less taken with the kind of government contractor intrigue than I was with the relationship between the Julia Roberts character and the Stefan James character. So Stefan James is playing. The the main soldier that the Julia Roberts character is working with and he is being treated for a kind of a mix of post traumatic stress disorder and survivor's guilt. And. And kind of trying to make his way after military service, and that character has to be a package of likability vulnerability swagger honor. There. So many things have to be going on with that character. And none of it can be too loud. I found that performance really riveting and found myself invested in that relationship in part because those two have real chemistry and those performances are really nicely dialed back their relationship with them is so tricky because it's a therapist patient sort of relationship. She's a caseworker, I I guess she's not technically therapist. But she's a like that. And there is an undercurrent to it that, of course, they're both very good looking people. And so you sort of keep expecting it to become more sexy than it is. They're not to over about. What exactly the closeness that? They're developing is. All right, Eric you've been very patient. What got you so much about the show? Well, first of all CMS Mel is just brilliant. And he is one of these directors where the the moment you start watching the show, you realize that it's been crafted by somebody who has a unique way of presenting television. Now, sometimes that can feel intrusive. It's almost like he's having you on the shoulder. Hey, hey, did something really cool here. Hey, watch me put this camera on the back of a car, and it's going to feel like you're standing on the roof of the car while his dry. You know, kind of thing the last scene of I think most of the episodes plays out while the credits run home still action going on which I loved I loved loved loved that. But it can also feel a little show offie in a way. But but he tells a story in a way that no one else does. And he takes a story that could have been very conventional once, you know, what the actual plot of the story is is not. At all that unconventional. But the way he tells the story is really interesting and the way he uses aspect ratio, for example. You know, you think you're watching present day, and you're watching a flashback because of how he deals with the size of the screen. But then you realize it's flipped. And you're actually watching present day in a smaller ratio, and the past is in full view, which is just brilliant. There's just a moment of cognitive dissonance where you sort of what's going on here. And the thing I've always felt about creators like male and even know Holly who does legion and Fargo is that they're brilliant. But sometimes they just get so caught up in the complexity of the plaza trying to tell and it becomes an endurance test for viewers or or test of some sort reviewers by the time. He gets to the end of an episode and with this because maybe because the story was crafted by someone else, it's just complex enough that his storytelling style benefits from it. But it's not so complex that you get lost in it. So I I really enjoyed that part of it. The other thing I loved about this. Julia Roberts role felt like it's the kind of role that would normally be played by white guy, and the soldier would be some sort of version of a manic pixie girl, and you know, by making the soldier black. I'm not sure if he's African American or not his mother seems to be an emigrant, but by making him a person of color making him younger making her the older thirty figure who seems to by the individ have fallen for him by being willing to show her face in all of its realistic, fifty something Lory, right? I mean, I just I just love that it it took a setup that could have been very predictable and just tweaked it enough that it felt different. So those are some of the things I really loved about this show. One of the things I liked about this. Julia Roberts performance is that if you think back particularly to films like when she was in Pretty Woman and mystic pizza and not very early part of her career that big smile is so much a part of how she became famous that kind of glow with all the teeth and the kind of the grin that she had. That was so warm is almost completely absent here. She is extremely tense. She is extremely. Unhappy for a good part of it. The only real relationships she has other than at work. You see her mother as Glenn was Saint play by says he space and also her I guess boyfriend who she doesn't really like that Mark plagued by poor German. Most thank really want is the most thankless another guy who excels at playing questionable people. And this is where some of the humor in the show really comes in. It's not there's not a lot of it. It's mostly around the kind of Allah character. But that character left Keebler because it was a pit of labors. Something that's cross fit based not cross fit per se. Need to know all that is missing for that. Character is for like a car to hit a puddle next to him. And I think what Eric was talking about in that it can seem kind of show off. And it doesn't as much here is part of what I was saying about the visuals being a little bit less self conscious. I think what Eric talking about was story is a little bit related to that. Because the great thing I got to the end of this. And I was like this story is not that complicated. Stories actually, not that complicated. Once you sort of get the feel of it the direction is making you aware of the artifice of the homecoming facility itself because the facilities feels claustrophobic, but it's supposed to be as inviting as possible, but it doesn't because it's so dark, and there's always light slanting in it makes you feel like you're being catered to the way the soldiers are being catered to whenever a scene takes place outside. There is no anything it's just flat. And it feels like all of a sudden you're in a pedestrian mall, and and it's meant to do it because you wanna feel a very specific way inside the facility as opposed to outside at my favorite thing about the series. You've already mentioned is how each episode ends on the opposite of a cliffhanger. The what maybe a cliffhanger like, oh, they're about to go and visit the facility, but we watch them leave and we stay in the booking. What that does? Is it widens this universe? Right. This universe is wider than what's going on in these people. The other thing is Steven talk to me about the score which is bold old old old school. I mean, I'm watching this very stylized where contemporary show, and I'm hearing string is willing. From like north by northwest. It's actually referencing old scores. I think the use of scores very effective, but there's also not giving anything away here. But in the last episode there are a couple of little blurts of recognizable more contemporary songs and the final scene in this show, which leads to maybe the best final shot. I have seen in a really long time is soundtrack to maybe my favorite song of all time. And so like, you really get a sense throughout the show. But especially in that moment of the visuals, the sound design the score and the music supervision. All that stuff is so immaculate. And so on point. Yeah. I wanna talk about a couple of performances. We haven't touched on yet. Eric you mentioned that his mother seems to be an immigrant. That's Marianne John Baptiste playing that role. I liked that performance. Yeah. It's what's interesting to me in. I'm of two minds about this. I love the fact that by casting these characters away. We did we got people. Call are prominently featured in the show, but it also worries me a bit that we're seeing a lot of shows where people of color or the noble victims. There's a new show coming up on FOX where the noble victim is a young African American girl we've seen this in in other shows, and it's becoming a bit of a trope. And that's something that that worries me, but these performances are so good these actors are so good, and you see an actor elect the actor who plays the soldier James, and you sort of go like, whereas this guy been why hasn't he had more roles like this will he get another roll like this. You know, that's the other thing that's kind of a drag sometimes about situations. Like, this is that an actor of color gets the show what they're what they're able to do. And then they don't get the next role. They don't get the next showcase. So I'm hoping that these roles in particularly to us seeing these people do some some great things. I'm sure he's going to be fine. Well stuff on James played John. Louis in Selma. And I remember watching Selma and seeing a crowd of young civil rights leaders like in the background before he's been introduced and looking at Stefan James and saying, oh, that's a young John Lewis that guys John Lewis. So it's just funny. I've like he has jumped out of crowds in movies before. Well, and here's the thing about Stefan. James when I say he's going to be fine. He is the lead in if Bill street could talk which is very Jenkins follow up to moonlight. And he's wonderful. And I think that that this is not necessarily him at the height of his powers acting lies. He's so no, no, no. But what I'm saying is I agree with Eric that he is in some ways being acted upon more than acting. But in Beale street, like I said, I personally think seen that movie think he will be fine. There's been some there's been some good writing recently about the half hour drama. And I think this is a a good example of the half hour drama where part of what I like about. It is that it is. Is not too flashy. Like, I like Eric was saying the performances aren't over the top, the the episodes aren't overly winding the story, isn't overly complicated. It's just a really good show. It really is. If you have seen or are going to see homecoming check it out. Let us know what you think find us on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash P, C H or tweet us at PCH when we come back. It's time for our favorite segment this week and every week what is making us happy this week. So come right back support for this podcast and the following message. Come from version Atlantic version Atlantic knows how to put the business and business trip. They know how important it is to arrive at your destination rested and ready to go. They have fully flatbeds. So you can get your forty winks and some they've got great food and drink and even WI fi on board if the emails can wait. And of course, if you want to kick back and watch a movie, they're on board entertainment system is second to none book your next business trip. At version Atlantic dot com. Welcome back to pop culture. Happy hour. It is time to talk about. What is making us happy this week? Stephen Thompson, what is making you happy this week, buddy. Okay. So this only took me nineteen years. But I just started watching for the very first time a show that I had never seen before. Now. I'm speaking to several professional TV critics, but this one's a little obscure. Maybe you haven't heard of the news. It's the west wing share. I had never seen one minute of the west wing, and I'm not entirely sure why eventually like after the show had completed its run. I started to develop a frustration with Aaron Sorkin that kept me from watching it when I tried watching the newsroom, and hated it. I assumed that I would retroactively not like the west wing Aaron Sorkin does even on the west wing have this condition where he feels that. There is no problem that can't be solved by a man giving a speech, right? But I'm now three episodes into the seven season run of the west wing. And I love it turns out newsflash. This is a great show uptake. I know I know exactly the the I'm sure this will be a major discovery for those of you out there. But if you like me never got around to watching this show. And now think that you wouldn't like it maybe because you didn't like the newsroom or studio sixty or whatever this show holds up incredibly well. Still has a lot of reverberations in the way. We look at government today. I love the show you're in the golden age of the west. Yeah. You're in the best season, in my opinion, which is which takes nothing away from how brilliant it is that first season is absolutely spectacular. Aaron Sorkin really good at writing dialogue. Yeah. Ear for dialogue while people walk. Well, people. All right. Thank you very much. Stephen thompson. Good pick. All right. Glenn weld. And what is making you happy this week after thirteen seasons? Kind of figured I knew what it's always sunny in Philadelphia was putting down was selling. And I was all admitted an infrequent customer. I figured I got it. Right. You know? I would check in every so often in the show is, you know, it's mean, it's stupid. It's gross. But it's solid funny. And also put it this way. The fan base is full-throated intense corner. You would a party without blinking kind of kind of a of a cohort speaking of the way. So the creator and star rob macaroni who plays MAC has gotten super Hooper. Swollen super jacked this season to go along with this coming out story for his character. And I admit I was kind of hesitant to check in. Because what are the odds that this show which takes nothing seriously, and is sensitive about nothing would deal with this in any kind of sensitive way. Odds are pretty good turns out and the thirteenth season has this finale, which left five minutes has this big musical number. They've done musical numbers before they're always comically bad. That's the joke. This is a ballet sequence basically, and a modern dance sequence essentially in which macaroni and the dancer Kylie shea. Do this amazing muscular very physical dance to cigarroa song? Baru? Oh, that's so good. It is breathtaking eight is intent is a moment where she throws herself across the stage at him. He catches her. And she makes this physical. Grunt that they don't at out. That is just it's fascinating. And name me a show that thirteen seasons in would break its format. Like this would surprise. You would take this risk and take itself seriously in a way that is actually rewarding surprising and kinda hot. So that's the last five minutes of the episode MAC finds his pride of it's always sunny in. Philadelphia. Thank you, very much Glen Weldon, Eric Duggan's. What is making you happy this week? I would say this is what's engaging me? Okay. So the third season of cereal they spent a year in the Justice system in Cleveland, and the most recent episode involves a look at the juvenile system and it starts with one kid. This kid is accused of three robberies armed robberies. He says one of them. He was coerced into doing by an older gang member. But that means that the other two he just decided to do and he is given a deal by prosecutors. If you inform on your gang will keep you in juvenile detention. So he agrees to do it and goes, according to cereal above and beyond helps police bust up this gang called the heartless felons gets thrown into a juvenile facility where he has no protection is constantly. Halted and the episode gives you a sense of how dysfunctional the juvenile detention system is in the Cleveland area. And at the end of the episode. We find out that the juvenile might have his time converted to adult time, which would be eighteen years to life. I would say Cleveland dot com is doing something interesting where they are recapping the episode, but they're also adding in their own information that they do from reporting I would suggest experiencing the podcast, and then watching what Cleveland dot com is revealing and you will learn quite a bit about the criminal Justice system based on this podcast is won't necessarily make you happy. But it is a really transformative experience. Yeah. I think that's season's been exceptional. Thanks for that. Eric making me happy this genuinely making me happy this week. You know, it's making me happy to see you guys dogs now not Dobbs. The animal some of you now. I liked I like dogs spot. But now we're talking about dogs the net flicks series, you want to guess what? The Netflix series dogs is about is. It is it dog. It's ducks. Yeah. It's six documentaries in a series. And each one of them is about a different aspect of the relationship between people and dogs. So the first one is about a service dog for a kid who has seizures. And they train the service dog to help her recognize an oncoming seizure. There's another episode. That's about a fisherman on Lake Como in Italy who his family is not only does he go fishing and his boat every day, but they also have a restaurant during tourist season, and it's both about his fishing life becoming more and more difficult. But also how he has this dog friend ice who comes out on the boat with him every single day. If you have heard the expression a dog who is part of the family, and you've thought does that have to be a Twee thing where it means? Address them up in little clothes and things like that. 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John Lewis: The Spirit of History

What It Takes

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John Lewis: The Spirit of History

"And I was growing up my mother. Father N- family members said. Don't get in trouble. Don't get any way I got in trouble. I got any way. It was necessary trouble for John. Louis trouble meant sitting at a lunch counter designated for whites. Only it meant leading a peaceful march over a bridge and getting brutally beaten for it it meant serving as chairman of the student nonviolent Coordinating Committee. It meant going to jail forty times for believing giving that America should not be segregated and that African Americans ought to be able to vote. It meant helping to organize the nineteen sixty the three march on Washington and at the age of twenty three sharing the podium with Dr Martin Luther King Jr.. We are tired of being policemen. We're pot of lockup in jail and all the all the inpatient how long can yeah. We mean we won't greet them and we want in a little over two decades later. John John Lewis returned to Washington DC as congressman. He is represented the Fifth District of Georgia ever since for seventeen seventeen terms representative Lewis. Who was seventy nine years old record? This episode recently announced that he has stage four pancreatic cancer in a written statement. He said I have been in some kind of fight for freedom. Equality basic human rights for nearly my entire life. I have never faced a fight quite like the one I have now as you listen. Listen to him here telling his life story to the Academy of Achievement in two thousand four. I think you'll agree that it is difficult to imagine him ever being undefeated by anyone or anything John Lewis standard-bearer for justice and equality is our guest on this episode episode of what it takes a podcast about passion vision and perseverance from the Academy of Achievement. I'm Alice Winkler at this. Child is gifted and I heard that enough that I started to believe if you have the opportunity not a perfect opportunity and no you don't take it. You may never have another it. All was so clear it was just like the picture started to form itself. There was new wing which ally could prevail Wien over the truth darkness over light their life every day. I wake up and decide today. I'm going to love my life decide if they're going to break. Your leg hurts when you go into that place stay out of there and then along companies differential experiences inch but you know look for you. Don't plan for but boy. You better not missing on this podcast. We've had episodes that feature Rosa Parks Judge Frank Johnson Coretta Scott King Andrew Young and other icons from the civil rights rights movement. And we encourage you to listen to them all but on this episode. We're going to do something a little. Different John Lewis. Who grew up in rural Alabama in the nineteen eighteen forties and fifties? Son of a sharecropper will tell his tail in his own words. You'll hear a couple of the questions. That interviewer IRV drazn Asked and some archival tape but no more interruptions from me. Think of it as an epic poem the kind filled with extraordinary men in and women and heroic deeds the kind recited in ancient times to help future generations understand their history. Uh It was very hard very difficult. Run up in Rural Alabama during the folded in the fifties. I grew up in fall family. Ten children wonderful wonderful father one of grandparents great grandparents agree very poor but nineteen forty four when I was four years old and I do remember when I was four. My father had save three hundred dollars and with the three hundred dollars a guy gave him a hundred and ten acres of land in this land. coin peanuts hogs folks cows and chickens. It was very hard hard work as my mother. My father my grandparents in Greg Pant hand in late as children. We all had to work for Sunup to sundown in some years. We didn't you make enough produce enough to live home. My father and my mother did a best in when I look back on those early years. You don't know how they made it. I don't know how we survive from time to time. My mother and father especially my father wanted us to stay out of school a working field and I knew I needed to get an education. I wanted to get an education so sometimes when my a father would suggest that we had to stay home in plotted new a have gathered a crops. I will get up early in the morning. Get Dress and get my book bag so hard on the front porch infant. Hurry to school bus coming up to heal a run out get on a school bus in Gloucester school and sometime my father was said not told you to stay home. Would you went off to school and talk but he. He knew that I saw the value of education. I wanted to get an education. I didn't like working working in Hot side picking Cotton Kalin Choline given peanuts now won't get an education because a new will be better for me in the days. Used to come when I was growing up. I wanted to be a minister. I wanted to preach even in middle school and high school. they refer to me as preacher For the most part I will wear time to school even when I had on coveralls gene and I tell you this story stories when I was growing up it was my responsibility to care for the chickens. I filled in law were raising chickens. became obligation became mission. It became judy and I raised chickens. No one wants to raise chicken. I became very good. Tell you what I had to do as a young boy and I was on a seven and a half eight nine years old but I did it until I left home at the age of seventeen in one thousand nine hundred seven to go off to college at take. The fresh aches mocking with a pencil. Play plays someone to sit in here and wait for three weeks for the La- chicks to hatch. You may ask. We'll have to fresh able to fill before you play some money to sit in well from time to time another hand would get on that same ness and there will be some fresh eggs and had to be the fresh eggs from the age already under the set in hand and when these look check the hatch who said in I would cheat on you sit in. I would take these little chicks and give him to another hand a put them in on box with the lantin raising Mona Own. Get some fresh aches. Mock him with a pencil. Plays the money to sit in and encouraged a set in stone S.. For another three I kept on cheating on. Don't do sit in and fooling these set in we used to get to system roebuck catalogue. And some people call it. The Bush book big fixable. Some people call it to order book. I wish I had this. I wish I had that and we started everything. Everything from CICERO blow clothing Form supply a chicken wine. Everything and I will look at the catalog and just wish that I had incubated a hatchet. That wouldn't have after. The most inexpensive hatcher hit was like eighteen dollars. Nine eight cents and one of my uncles one. Christmas has Santa Claus Debray babble. I learned to read the Bible and in store speaking of preaching in Plan Church with my brothers and sisters and first cousin and we would gather all of our chickens in chicken house or in the chicken yard and the chickens alone. My brothers and sisters and cousins would make up to Carter negation and I was still ah preaching and I said now I look back on some of these chicken without a head some chicken with shake their. Here's did never quite airmen but they tended to listen to me much better than some of my colleagues listen to me today in the Congress and some of those chickens with a little more productive least produce. Aide's I had a rest of spirit I won't somehow I knew segregation was wrong. I knew discrimination. I saw it. I saw those signs that said white men cult men white women of Color Women. We've a bus long distances over unpaid roles during the spring and when it rains some time to school bus breakdown get on a ditch and we will get to school late. Return home late. We'll bus pass points schools and I didn't like it. You go to the little town of Troy about fifty miles south of Montgomery on Saturday you go to theater. And all the little white children went downstairs and all of the blight children. We all had to go. Upstairs has to the balcony. I remember as a young child but some of my brothers and sisters in first cousins going down to the public library. burry trying to get library. 'cause trying to check some books up and we were told by the librarian that the library was so Vikes only and not for college but also recalled in nineteen fifty four. I was fourteen years old in ninth grade. The Supreme Court decision came down. I thought for the first time that I will be attending a disaggregated school. A better school school. I wouldn't have the hammer down books. We meet traveling a broken down school bus. The school wouldn't wouldn't be overcrowded and pull us there but it didn't happen for me and I asked. My mother asked my father why segregation. Why Racial Discrimination and they were so that's the way it is that's the way it is? Don't get in trouble. Don't get any way. Hey later I heard about Rosa Parks and I heard cain junior voice on already. Give us the balance. And we will transform the salient misdeeds of bloodthirsty moms into the calculated. Good beaver the borderless citizens give us the ballot. We will feel our legislative halls with men of goodwill send to the sacred halls of Congress. Men who will not sign the southern manifesto because of their devotion to the manifesto justice give out the ballots in the words of Dr King and action. Rosa Parks inspired me. I've followed the drama of the Montgomery bus boycott. We were to have a subscription to the local newspaper. It was called the the Montgomery advertise Ties it so. My grandfather had a subscription and finished reading his people. We get his people and read about what was going on. Montgomery listen to the radio. We didn't have a television in and Dr King was soul inspiring so inspiring. I wanted to find a way to get involved in an sobriety movement and become part of it but I would hear him speak so I just feel that he was speaking to me like John Lewis. You can do it. You can get involved. You must get involved What happened to me when I was eleven years old in one thousand nine hundred fifty one one summer one of my uncles mother's younger brothers invited me to go to buffalo for the summer but some of my first cousin aunt and I remember so well? My mother spinning two or three evenings could pies and cakes fried chicken and she put it in Brown paper banks. It's a shoebox is for us to have something to eat because there was not any place else to stop to get something to eat as we drove through. Alabama through Tennessee Kentucky on our way to Buffalo. If and I got to buffalo I saw a different world I saw black and white people living together either working together Going to school together Shopping together go into defeated together. And so when I came Back Act Alabama after being there for the summer I wanted to find a way to get out of Alabama and ahead to sort of crazy idea with some of my first Chris. Cousin just wouldn't be environmentally correct but we were going to slow down a very large pine tree and some high. We had this idea W going to take a large part of the pine tree and make wheels and we were gonNA make a wooden boss. And we're going to roll out of Alabama Rosa Parks said No. It changed my life and I never been same. Says it was on I ninety five uh I wanted some high and some way to make it to Montgomery I just wanted to be a part of it. It created a great sense of pride does if some high in some way I feel things about to change. I knew it was very dangerous. Heard about the bombs of the churches. The homes people been arrested at witness. Dune news accounts. Lynn immaterial does young teenager from Chicago visiting and Relatives Mississippi going to do was accused of whispered San something two white woman then late at nights when coming grabbed him out of his uncle house out of bed taken can beat him into a river that all had an impact on me I wanted to steady. Religion wanted to study philosophy. I applied to go to Chore State College. Ten miles awesome home all white school. I submitted an application. My high school transcript. I never heard a word from school. Not One word Sarah Letter to mourn. CAIN junior doctor. Cain wrote me back. Sent Iran trip Greyhound Greyhound bus ticket and invited me to come to Montgomery. I told him I wanted to ten four State College. It is not known as Troy University. In the meantime meantime I had a plot to go to school. Call Them Raca Baptist College because at this college you can work your way through to school and I got accepted. I will never forget it as long as I live in. September nineteen fifty seven from an uncle of mine. Gave me a hundred dollar bill. More money than I ever hand gave me a footlocker when he's upright trunks that had to draw and you can pull it together and had to draper's where you can hang your clothes suffered everything that footlocker that own pickens and after school and stepped him in nineteen fifty seven and arrived is low school American Baptist after the NF. Two weeks I told one of my teachers that I have been in contact with Dr Mona. CAIN junior and this teacher was a free in the morning with the CAIN. Junior gopher attended the same school. He was the minister. Also he informed Dr King that I was in school in Nashville. I wonder if the CAIN junior got back in church and suggestive when I was home for spring break to come and see him in March one thousand nine hundred eight by this time. I'm eighteen years old. My father drove me Greyhound bus station on a Saturday morning aboard the bus travel to fifty miles from short to montgomery arrive. Arrive at a greyhound. Bus Station a young black lawyer never seen a lawyer before by the name of trade grey. We've been a lawyer for Rosa parks. For Dr Dr King and the Montgomery Movement Metric Greyhound Bus Station and drove me to the first Baptist Church in downtown Montgomery pass by the Reverend Ralph Abernathy. Who was a colleague Dr King in the Montgomery Movement and he assured me into the office of the church? I was so scared I I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to say. I was about to meet one of the junior. And I'm so more. CAIN junior and Ralph Abernathy stand behind behind a desk and Dr King said are you the boy from shore John Lewis spoke up and said Dr King. And I'm John Robert Lewis. I gave my whole name. That was the beginning of my relationship with the game In addition to more into the cage was a young methodist student student seminary. No young man by the name of Jim Lawson. James Wilson was part of something called the a methodist student movement was also acted in organization called a fellowship of Reconciliation. He started conducting. These nonviolent involuntary shop and started hitting. These workshop was one of the first students to attend and he starts talking about the great great religions of the world said elements that ran through all the great religions of the world and he started talking about nonviolence in Passive Resistance Justin theroux in civil disobedience but gundy attempted to in India deal for the attempted to do in South Africa. What he accomplished in India? You talked about Martin Luther King Junior in a non-violent effort in Montgomery infantile spill year every Tuesday night at six extended. PM A group of students but go and steady with this young guy. Stead into philosophy and a discipline nonviolent. We have what we recall. Role plans social drama black and white college students m some high school student and became imbues. This idea of we called the beloved community a community at peace with itself. If you WANNA create the beloved community the Good Society or truly Louis interracial democracy that is the gold if that is the end then the way the means must be one of peace one of love one a nonviolent. He told us that means and ends acceptable. By the fall of Nineteen fifty-nine. We have what we call test. Sit Ins in Nashville. We went to appear to roll plan and social drama and then it came time for group of black and white collar students to go downtown Nashville. Just Sarah Lynch counter to establish the fact that people would deny service was the November December nineteen fifty nine and then from the city started in Greensboro North Carolina on February first nineteen sixty we start sitting sitting in on a regular basis and it was dare by sitting down. I think we're really standing up. I saw many of us and I know in my own case. I grew up while I was sitting on Lynch became a different person. became a different human being Some high is some way I just filled in. wlov is something that was so large so necessary so right right it was almost wholly. It was something to a righteous Q.. About it was the I was sitting there with other young college students for the most part of whale dress we will orderly peaceful and we were looking straight ahead. We were doing doing our homework and people come up and call us niggers spit on us but light sicker is in are hand down a bags pula softer lynch kindness. And we didn't strike back at time we will just straight ahead. I came to that point when laws all since a fear I would never forget in late. February nineteen sixty one morning. Luis Lapan to sit in a very influential citizen of Nashville came to the church. We were gathering Santa Fe. Go down on this particular day. The officials law into line people to beat us To pull a softer Lynch counter stools and Angolan to arrest us. And maybe you shouldn't go. Maybe it's too dangerous and we also also have had to go and we've been was sitting there and we would within pull off the lunch counter stools and then beaten the local officials. Police officials the chief of police another's came up and places ACIS old under was arrested. Along with eighty. Seven of the students to Nashville citizens became the first mass arrests in the sit in movement I was taken to jail. I tell you I feel so liberated I feel so free I feel like I cross circle I think to myself. What else can you do to me? beat me your Rasmi naive. Plays me under arrest. You put us in jail. What's left you can kill us? But as a group we were determined to see the in syndication signed lost my sense of fear you know no one likes to be beaten. no-one likes to go to jail. Jail is not a pleasant place in a willing to suffer pain gene. The FI- coming. Good my my mother. My father my mother my mother. She was so where she was so troubled. She didn't know that I was even involved kind head into discussion and she heard that I was in jail when school officials called and informed her. I was in jail for the student the next day so I got a letter saying get out the movement get out of that mess. You went to school to get an education. You'll get yourself hurt gets killed in. I wrote a back instead. I think I did. The right thing was the right thing to do years later. She became very very supportive. Especially after New Voting Rights Act was passed and she was allowed to become rich voter as a participant. And even today I believe in known violence as a way of life as a way of living. I believe that this idea is one of those in mutable principles it is non-negotiable. If you'RE WE'RE GONNA create a war community at peace with yourself you have to set nonviolence. I thought I was going to die a few times on the freedom rides in nineteen nineteen sixty one. When I was beaten at the Greyhound bus station in Montgomery I thought I was going to die? Almost seven nineteen sixty five when that was hidden here with a night. Stick by state trooper. Footed eight Marie I thought I saw death but nothing but nothing can make me question philosophy new inventions events. I can It will not. They grew to respect the dignity and worth of every human being when we were being harassed by shaft clock and sell them. Uh a bull. Connor in Birmingham When I was in beaten by anger mop in Montgomery you try to put yourself in in the place of the people that abusing you? See that person as a human being in Akin to win a personal to change that person and it'll since we all victims victims of a system since you've raised it already let me ask March seventh notice bloody Sunday. I mean it. It was more than just getting hit over them. The Nice Dick I was there and I was waiting on the other side with three camera. Crews and I saw the array way of state troopers enforce back a saw when you were walking into and I feared for your your lives being what was going through your head as you. You and Hosea Williams at the front of that line walking walk into that. Every store walking across the Alabama river across Pitta spirits. I really thought we will be arrested and take a jail. I was prepared to be arrested. I was wearing a backpack and in this backpack. I had two books. What's an apple an orange toothbrush toothpaste? I thought we were going to go to jail. I wanted to have something to read something to eat. And since we're going to be in jail with my friends colleagues and neighbors I wanted to be able to brush my teeth and we get to the high point highs porno neighborhoods down below. We saw Alabama state troopers to sheriff deputies and members of Sheriff Clock and Major John Cloud at Alabama state troopers. You said this is unlawful March. Would not that'd be allowed to continue to spruce return to the you're paying you go all. I think we'll they Williams said two major. Will you give us a moment to create and before we could even get troops advance. Ah This bird I knew we were going to be beat. So these men putting on Gasman. They came toward us. Beating us from nightsticks pushing tremendous would horses releasing details again I. I became very concerned about other people in in the mortgage. I thought I was going to die. I just sorta said to myself this is it. This is the end of the road from me. I'm going to die right here on this bridge and to this day I don't know how made it back across the bridge through the streets of sound back today little church did we left them. But I do recall being beck at a church as Sunyani branch. Ame Church the Church when we got back to trip with full to capacity several hundred people outside trying to get into protests. What had happened and someone asked me to send something to the audience and I stood up and said I don't understand it? I President Johnson can send troops to Vietnam but cannot send troops to sell Alabama to protect people people who desires to register to vote the next thing. I knew I had been admitted to the Good Samaritan Hospital so uh happening. Salman will the turning point in and the civil rights movement and probables wanted to find his hours animals mint because of what happened in Selma when people saw the field footage of what happened on television Sunday. Night right the window. mooning there was a sense of righteous indignation. People didn't like it Derek. And people didn't like it. There were demonstrations in almost every major city in America almost every major college campus at the White House. The Department of Justice at a MERV Nimbus embassies abroad. I remember Dr King coming to visit me the Monday Moon Hospital and you said is it John. Don't worry we'll make it from Selma to Montgomery devoting rags be pants and he told me that he was issued a call for religious leaders to come to sell the next day and the next day to too much more than thousand minister trees. Rabbis Don came to Salem and wash across the bridge. To the point will be had been beaten two days earlier President Johnson Call Wallis the come to the White House to try to get assurance of him that he would be to protect us if he decided to mortgage again again. Wallace could not should the president Lyndon Johnson was so moved that he had to do simply the American people were saying. You Must Act Congo saying you must do something. So March Fifteenth Nineteen sixty-five Lyndon Johnson. One of the most meaningful speeches in American the president had made him one time on the whole question of civil ranks voting right now was whiff Dr King as we watch listen to Lyndon Johnson denied a mortgage fifteen spoke voted nation spoke to a joint session of the Congress. You started speech of a night at San. I speak tonight for the dignity of man and for the destiny of democracy it at times. History and fate meet at a single time in a single place to shape a turning point in man's unending search for freedom so it was at Lexington and concord encored so it was a century ago at Apple mattocks so it was last week and sell my Alabama condemn the violence and Salman in mentioned a fight. One Goodman Amana. God was killed. Reverend James. Read a white minister from Boston. It participated in a march or more tonight and then at night or more tonight. We're not to try to get something to eat with. The two of three of the white ministers and it was jumped in beaten by members of the clan and a day later he died at a local hospital in burner. Her Johnson recognized him but before we closed at speech and introduce the voting rights that you said we should a little come and he said it more than once and we shall overcome. What happened in Selma? As part of a far larger movement which reaches into every section and state of America. It is the effort of American Negroes to secure for themselves the full blessings of American life. There must be are calls to. It's not just negroes but really it's all of us who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice and we shall overcome became the first president to use the theme song surrendered movement in a major speech. Dr King's so move historic and we all crammed into Linden Johnson's there and we shall overcome as someone who came along and then have a blueprint they have a road map. Some high in some way sex stances in declamatory environment. Just pulled me you know. I talk about from time to time but I call the spirit the history. Sometimes you have to let dispirit a history us you know. I think I lied my stuff to be used. Talk about a spirit of history. If you WANNA call it more than anything thing is I had to combat barriers and we told those barriers. I I just had to solo sail against a win but you know I will get arrested from time to time in jail one day and I get I go. Oh right back the next day. That's how I got arrested for the time. There were people who didn't want me to watch all the way from Selma to Montgomery because I've been hurt right but two weeks. After bloody Sunday I was backend. Line watching all the way. They won't continued to freedom ride for Montgomery to Jackson Mississippi. Because I have been hurt because they had a Petra my head but I kept going. You have to be determined. You have to feel that somehow in some zone way you can make that you will survive that it's GonNa work out. I don't have any Significant regrets except for the fact that I I wish to have spent more time with individuals like more into the king. Junior may bathroom no female question. I didn't have any idea that he would be taken phone subtle. I wish I had got to know Bobby Kennedy much better. These two young people inspired me a love. Martin Luther King Junior. He was my hero. He was a wonderful friend. I remember the delays leg of the march and Seventeen Montgomery. We you walk in and start raining. He had capital is he. It took the capital and he put it on my here here and he said John You've been hurt. You need to protect your hair. You need to wet his cap. I just thought it was a wonderful something only as polite so but he was always so care. And so sharing and Robert Kennedy a terrier. It was something about him. That was so dear Dr King was assassinated. I said to myself I have what I call him as their concession with said I said we still have an into months. Fate of Robert Kennedy was taken. Desalination of these is too young men was the most difficult time in my life. Really the sad is David friend. I was with Robert Kennedy from you heard a doctor. The king had been shot in his room at Los Angeles ambassador. Hotel spoken to him fifty minutes before. Madan what I think is quite clear that we can work together in the last analysis and what has been going on within the United States over the period of the last three years the divisions the violence the disenchantment with our society the divisions whether it's between blacks and divide between the poor and the more affluent between age groups are on the war in Vietnam. We can start to work together. We are a great country and a compassionate country. And I intend. I'M GONNA make that my basis running today a ceiling must continue to to do what I can and often wonder if Dr King he is Robert Kennedy would be doing so someone must continue to speak up and speak out because they are not being elected official as the congress will take it ahead Which of impact on me? I don't think that changed him. A steel talk about the beloved community. Munity still talk about the one American one family one house to Murugan House to Worrell House. We all live in his same house else. Sometimes I feel like pass this way once before I think the movement and I went through during the height of the Civil Rights Movement the pad me to stand up and fight for what I think is right and fair and jess but it also prepared me to to be patient in a sense to take it alone hole at look but to struggle to redeemed soul of America to bring about change is not a struggle to land so one day one month one year but it is a struggle of a lifetime. And so if you're trying to get a piece of legislation that Atlanta City Council tried to get a piece of legislation to the Congress are trying to chain of your fellow members to move to sing. You just keep working. You don't give up you. Hang in there Innis what we did behind it of ranks movement in as we continue to do today to fight is not just for today but for tomorrow and the next year Someone came to me. The young person is generation. Came to me and said what should I do. It should be done. It was found a way to follow the dictates. Your conscience fine your own in a compass and follow it do what is right. He counting don't hate. Love is a better way. Don't become cynical. Forget about your own circumstances and found a way to get involved in a second stances of other try to do something to serve the common. I'm good and don't be afraid. We'll just Wedneday gladness. If we're going to sit in we didn't go out one day is going to march. We're we're going to go on a freedom ride. We started with the payrolls and we've already the leader must get front not just on the big issues but delicious also in must become an embodiment ally dis and try to to bill consensus elite. Him was believe in him herself in order to get to believe in them. Hello and to be prepared to follow them. It's difficult to tell other people to grow to go someplace where you haven't I'm Ben. I never thought that we will fail or that. I would feel I knew from tanner time. We make some blunders. We may make mistakes but we were not going to feel I think poor leadership. You must be hopeful. You must be optimistic optimistic it. You must have this idea that we're not that I'm not gonNA give up. I'm not gonNA give in. I'm not gonNA give that. Don't keep the faith and we'll keep pushing keep pulling people accused me from material into hopeful too optimistic but I think being hopeful being optimistic is part of being a leader in a sense. You know where you're going. I know maybe it won't happen in my lifetime but I know some high and some way we're going to create the beloved community. We going to create a national community. Awards walk immunity that is at peace and as you pass this way as you travel life journey you must do would you. Can you must be poured an investment. You must be part of a down payment on the building the beloved community. You must be part of a installment plan you have to give your part you have to give your piece Civil Rights Hero and longtime time member of the United States House of Representatives. John Lewis Speaking to the Academy of Achievement at the Academy's International Summit in Chicago. Oh in two thousand four Congressman Lewis made sure to point out that he holton honorary degree from Troy University. The school that wants denied right him entry and he is the proud owner of a troy public library card. I'm Alice Winkler. And this is what it takes from the academy me of achievement What it takes is funded by the Catherine B Reynolds Foundation? Thanks to them. And thanks to you for listening

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SYMHC Classics: Freedom Riders

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SYMHC Classics: Freedom Riders

"This episode is brought to you by Milano cookies. Look sometimes that long Zen Yoga classes just not in the cards so maybe a cookie is pepperidge. Farm Milano believes leaves. You should make some time for yourself once in a while. I know I have a particular space in my sewing room that I like to just take a few minutes. Every day I sit there I think about things. It's kind of like meditation and Munching at the same time. You can get that Yemi beautiful. Cookie flavor makes it luxurious and delightful and I always feel retarded Milano. Cookies are truly a treat worthy of your meantime they are delicate and crispy with luxuriously rich chocolate in the middle. You really want to keep these just for you so remember to save something for yourself with Pepperidge Farm Milano Happy Saturday everyone. Last Saturday we had kind of classics double feature. And we're doing that again today as well. The freedom rides were happening at about the same time as the sit in movement of the nineteen sixties that we talked about this week and some of the same people were involved in both the freedom rides and since Sara and Dobalina did two episodes the freedom rides in the US since September of twenty eleven and. They're a little bit shorter than our episodes. Typically are today so we are playing them both together so enjoy welcome to stuff you missed in history. Class production of iheartradio's how stuff works. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Sarah and I'm a chocolate boarding and you could be forgiven for thinking it's nineteen sixty one again with all of the big civil rights. Anniversaries that have been in the news this year. Fifty anniversaries that's so true most notably. Hey The fiftieth anniversary of the freedom rides this past. May when more than four hundred people of all ages male female black white different religions from all all over the country decided to challenge the racial segregation of interstate buses and the freedom rides have been really well covered this year. There have been articles news stories to reunions of riders one in Jackson Mississippi one in Chicago and that one was hosted by Oprah herself. There are was a fantastic American experience documentary based on the book on the freedom. Riders by Raymond Arsenault. There have been op-eds and reflections from the writers in national national papers but we are not wants to let the May anniversary of the freedom rides. Stop us from doing a podcast on them in September because because September is also a really important date for the freedom rides. It's wind change actually happened when the interstate Commerce Commission finally ruled that the signs segregating whites and blacks at bus and train facilities had to come down and actually backed up that ruling with a really hefty fine for offenders so that ruling validated the writers in their tactics. And that's worth pointing out before we get into this two part episode on the Freedom Rides and before we get into how the ride started because even though today the writers are clearly celebrated as civil rights. Heroes at the time what they were doing doing was extremely controversial. Even within the civil rights movement itself so they didn't know what they were what they were setting out to do they just knew they had to do it but before we even get to the rides themselves or story really starts in nineteen forty four with a woman named Irene Morgan. Now everyone knows Rosa Parks right and her refusal fusible to give up her bus seat in the nineteen fifties but a decade earlier. Morgan refuse to give up her seat on a Greyhound traveling through Virginia and Morgan. Regan who made World War Two bomber planes for a plant for a living was coming home to Baltimore after visiting her mother so after refusing to move she kicked the sheriff's Deputy Pity who tried to take her off the bus and later she said quote I started to bite him but he looked dirty so I couldn't bite him so all I could do was claw and tear his clothes. Yeah and nine and other great quotes or from her near times obituary but Morgan was arrested and went ahead and paid that one hundred dollar fine for resisting arrest. But she refused to pay the ten dollar fine for violating Virginia Law about segregated seating so it was off to court she went and eventually the N.. Double ACP took up her case and appealed to the Supreme Court and in nineteen forty six. The court actually ruled in her favor in Morgan versus Virginia and In just the gist of the ruling here seating arrangements for the different races in interstate motor travel require single uniform role to promote vote and protect national travel. Sounds simple enough basically. You can't make African Americans in the back of the bus and white people sit in the front and nobody should should be giving up their seat in less to an old person or or something like that so it sounds simple but it wasn't because southern states continued to flaunt the law was was segregated seating segregated waiting rooms restrooms water fountains so eventually somebody decided that they needed to you. Do something and actually test out this new law and that was a group organized by the Congress of racial equality or core and the fellowship of reconciliation they decided added to test the new ruling by staging the journey of reconciliation through the upper south. The upper sal. Yeah and that's important here especially when we get into the later freedom. I'm Reid where they head into Alabama and Mississippi and things get a lot different back in nineteen forty seven. They knew that wasn't an option rape. So basically this is how it worked eight black men and eight white men would ride on interstate buses and trains and see if Morgan versus Virginia was a law in action or in name only so there was a catch though. It would be nonviolent. Even if they were faced with arrests or beatings the writers would not react so while Morgan in had been inspiration for this. She was obviously not their non-violent role model who with her attempted bites and all of that. I think that makes Morgan such an interesting character during the whole thing too. which is such a famous nonviolent movement that she is the inspiration for it but for that nonviolent inspiration leaders instead turned to Gandhi and he actually was inspiration for courts founding back in nineteen forty two but the journey of reconciliation? It sounds like it's GonNa make waves. Sounds sounds like a big deal but it really didn't have that much of an impact. The writers did meet with violence. Three of them spent a month on North Carolina chain gang after violating saying segregation rules in Chapel Hill. But the story wasn't really picked up by National Media and folks just weren't that interested so arsenault arsenault writes that the ride ultimately quote brought about little change and was soon forgotten by all but a handful of non violent activists so a decade goes by. Why and then in nineteen sixty? Some important things start to happen to inspire a new wave of freedom rides. One of those things is that. JFK is elected president. Another is that Nashville citizens and segregation at city lunch counters there and also the Supreme Court issues another decision related to interstate travel. This time it's important versus Virginia. which made any racial segregation illegal in interstate commerce and? That's anything so not only should a black person be able to take any seat on the bus. Plus he should also be able to use any waiting room restroom coffee counter and so on all right so there is a new supreme court decision in this momentum going from the Nashville sit ins and core and its director James Farmer decide. Let's test this new ruling boy versus Virginia so this time not only only would the new riders keep that Direct Action Movement of the students going. They would help promote core to on this national skill since it was after all less well known than the N. Double A. C. P. or Snick or the SE L. C.. And that's something as we mentioned in the beginning that this was kind of controversial within the movement that was something that added to the ambivalence or sometimes outright hostility directed at the initial ride by much of the movement But we've got to give you a sense of how these initial core riders were picked because they weren't just Willy Nilly passengers on the bus. They all had to be trained. They all had to come with recommendations. Even and again they all kind of came from different sort of facets of life one member James Peck was from in Manhattan and he had participated in the nineteen forties journey of reconciliation. So he had some experience with us. The others were handpicked to maintain their non-violent violent directive so in addition to having to get recommendations a Sarah said the youngest of them also had to get parental permission. They also underwent careful training meaning to resist that violent impulse but really they only anticipated refusal of service. And possibly maybe arrest. You can see videos of this training and it's pretty pretty fascinating to watch and really uncomfortable because you know it is a simulated situation in these people actually all know each other. Well there's the man playing the antagonize or the woman playing the waitress in it. It's strange to see but as you mentioned they were from all different walks of life. They were all ages. All professions students retirees editors editors is a folk singer and most were from the north or the Midwest with a few southern exceptions including probably the most famous writer. John Louis Hughes from Alabama But that's something also to consider when we were mentioning earlier about the hostility or ambivalence within the movement that that these people were largely northerners were largely midwesterners and they were coming into the south to to test these segregated. Jim Crow rules so the first first riders left May for Nineteen Sixty one. They were departing from Washington D. C. and ultimately the final destination was going to be New Orleans Orleans which the bus ride that was going to take awhile and they didn't really know what they would encounter along the way but the bus started out winding its way through Virginia And North Carolina. There were thirteen writers they were taking Greyhound and trailways buses so two different lines just testing out the whole range the system and at first they really saw what they expected. Stations would prefer reluctantly break from their segregationist policies. Just while the writers were were there so just go ahead and let them sit in the black sitting room or the white sitting room the whatever race. They weren't let them use the wrong restroom whatever whatever they were doing and then just let them be let them get on their bus and move on through town get out of their hair and presumably a a return to business as usual which was full on segregation but by Charlotte North Carolina. That wasn't what was happening. Any more people weren't just letting it slide until they were gone trouble started. There were arrests and beatings in Rock Hill South Carolina and by May thirteenth be riders finally made it to Atlanta where they had this little get together sort of pause in the ride planned with Dr Martin Luther King and they were really hoping that when they got there he would join in become a freedom rider with them but instead he took a very different attitude he warned them. He told them that he had heard bad. News coming out of Alabama Alabama and they should seriously reconsider continuing on and even questioning the wisdom of what they were doing in the first place whether this was really helping the movement though. Was this pretty discouraging news to hear their Atlanta reception and to make matters worse James Farmer the leader of core gets. It's word that his father has died and has to pull out for a few days to go home. Still Abo- May Fourteenth Mother's Day the leaderless rider set off from Atlanta to Birmingham Alabama on Greyhound and trailways buses. That are leaving one hour apart and sure enough shortly. After crossing the Alabama state line one of the buses runs into trouble. The Greyhound hits a crowd of about two hundred men in Anniston Yen. It's all been planned. A clansman lies down in front of the bus. So that the other members of the mob can slash the tires and the bus maneuvers out of town. But it's followed and hounded led by a car. Then finally tires go flat. The driver gets out checks them and walk away. Just leaves the people in the bath and there is this really Harrowing Scene Documentary Henry where a passenger may France poultry hear someone shouting whereas the gas wears the gas. Yeah I'd I'd really recommend to you that documentary for seeing some of these. He's freedom riders reflect on it and say what they heard and what they experienced but the mob attacks the bus than an throws a firebomb in through the back window and then blocks the door to prevent the people from getting off an awesome. Keep in mind. There aren't just freedom riders on this bus their regular passengers. There's two who are just trying to get to Birmingham or wherever and are caught up in this podcast listeners. Have you ever wanted to share a love story with someone but you maybe wanted to do it in a really unique and interesting way or you were struggling to get the exact right words in place. 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Again that is love book online dot dot com slash iheart to receive a special twenty percent. Discount two things ultimately save the riders and those unaffiliated bus passengers the fuel tank tank explodes. which makes the mob back away from the bus and then highway patrolman finally arrived but not until the coughing choking passengers? Singers who have just escaped from. The bus are beaten by the crowd. There's one catch though with this with this. Violent seen photographs are taken and it becomes a major news story and how they go worldwide and not just a national news story becomes worldwide news. Something terrible happening bening in the United States but meanwhile that second buses still chugging on towards Birmingham. Yeah where little did they know. The the city's Commissioner of Public Safety Bull Connor has made a deal with the K. K. K.. The deal is that when the bus comes to town the clan will get fifteen minutes without police interference to do whatever they want people on the bus. No arrests no trouble at all. And there's another catch to the to the F. B. I.. Had An informant format and the clan and he knew the plan to attack the bus J.. Edgar Hoover didn't report. The mobs plans to Attorney General Robert Kennedy the informant even participated when the mob attacked and beat the writer as as they came into the station. We're going to talk about that a little more in the part two of this episode and and some of the legal battles that ensued but just like an Anniston photographers get pictures of this mob. Attacking the passengers coming from Atlanta and this news makes international headlines to it's very disturbing to people and it's something that the federal administration really really can't ignore though Jim pack who has been unofficially in charge since James Farmer left makes the call to continue the ride from the hospital he it has been severely beaten in. It's worth noting here to you. That a lot of the white writers would be targeted initially sort of as betrayers to their race despite the mob so jim pack was really really bad off. Pictures of him are disturbing to see but he said that they felt quote they must not surrender to violence islets. So let's not stop here. There is a problem though. Like I mean that's a very noble brave thing to do to try to continue the ride but there's a problem. None of if the drivers out of Birmingham are willing to take them. Nobody wants to risk it. Nobody wants to risk being on a firebomb bus or attacked by a mob and and dragged down with the rest of them. Yeah I mean you can hardly blame them but they finally decide that the ride has to end though flight to New Orleans instead but even that proves to be quite difficult the mob follows them. A bomb threat is called in on their plane. And it seems that they're stuck in Alabama definitely. Can't get out of the Birmingham Airport so so like we said by this point the Kennedys really have to get involved with the story all over the world papers and the poor beaten freedom riders stuck in the airport airport. They can't let things get any worse so John Seigenthaler. Who is the assistant to attorney? General Robert Kennedy Arranges the Writers Flight and escorts. It's them to New Orleans. They're they're met by state police that the plane who protect them but also curse them as they walk to the terminal and that ends the right. It's over over the Kennedy. Think that hopefully it's all over They can get back to international pursuits. But it's not because there is another wave setting out from Nashville. The students in the National Student Movement realized that they couldn't let let cores attempt and there and violence and the leader of that movement. Diane Nash who has a student in the National Movement told a Birmingham Damn Reverend quote if they stop us with violence the movement is dead. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm out and I'm to blame chuck. And this September. We Are Commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of the interstate. Our State Commerce Commission's ruling that all interstate bus and train facilities in the US had to pull down signs segregating whites and blacks lacks and it was the result of summer long effort by a group that called themselves the freedom riders to test laws. That were already on the books that were. We're just largely ignored through many southern states. So picking up where we left off the original core writers have been badly beaten. Traumatized and essentially evacuated. Aided out of Birmingham for New Orleans by Special Assistant to Attorney General Robert Kennedy and it seemed like at this time that the freedom ride had started may fourth nineteen sixty one in. DC was over at this point we should. We should say to like if you are a listener. WHO DROPS IN ON RANDOM PODCASTS? It really is worth going back back in and checking out that first episode. Because it'll help give you the context you need for this one since it is a part too. But we left it a real cliffhanger there that was that was a crucial moment. Bear in New Orleans defeated. It seems the Kennedys feel that things are wrapped up to their satisfaction but then and suddenly they get news out of Nashville. That things aren't over at all right students in Nashville. Many of them were veterans of the lunch counter. Sit Ins those still. In their teens and early twenties they decided that the ride could not end in violence. So spearheaded by Diane Nash who is a fiscal student. Many members of the Nashville. The Student Movement decided to skip their finals and go to Alabama. Yeah get on a bath and they completely no. It's at stake. This is the part. That's just crazy to me. They make author wills these young kids and they board buses to Birmingham. Nash who coordinates the whole thing from homebase in Nashville basically tells a Birmingham Pastor. Were coming. Yeah and I mean the wills the really shocking part but the leaving before finals is a really big deal too because a lot of these kids are the first members of their family family to go to college but they decide that continuing the freedom rides not letting nonviolence and in violence like this is is more important so this time though. The makeup of the riders is a little different from the first ride which was all staged by the group core. It's still a mix of black and white white men and women and they're taking Greyhound and trailways breathless just like before. But they're all quite young this time. There were middle-aged folks retired people last time most of them now though are nineteen twenty and they're also a lot more southerners in the group so kids from Atlanta and Nashville of course Charleston Tampa in addition to kids kids from other parts of the country New York Oklahoma Illinois. It's it's kind of a more diverse group in that sense. A strange thing happens when they get to Birmingham though when the first bus arrives commissioner of Public Safety Bull Connor who we mentioned in the last podcast he lets. The regular passengers off covers the window with paper and then holds the remaining people on board and finally after they sweat it out in the May heat for a while there let off and then they proceed to the white eight waiting area and they're arrested that night they're released from jail and put into cars which is very ominous but they drive right to the State Line of Alabama Alabama Tennessee and they're told by Connor to get out and make their way back to Nashville from their Tennessee State University student. Catherine burks Brooks tells connor that we'll see you back in Birmingham by high noon so they're not about to be put down. No in. This is still a scary situation. Though that they've just been dropped off in the middle of nowhere we're in the middle of the night they don't know if maybe there's some vigilante group clan waiting for them on the other side of the border bull bull Connor's just handing them off off or what they're going to do so they hide. They find shelter with an older couple and by the next day Nash has arranged from afar arrived for them to get back to Birmingham and I don't think they make it by new but they do make it back the next day but by the time back in Birmingham the national writers meet beat the second wave of their group. They are just like last time. Different buses traveling into Alabama. But there's a problem besides bull connor in the threatening crowd. The bus drivers won't drive so the writers are stuck there again. They're stuck in Birmingham and we mentioned this in the last episode individual individual bus drivers refusing to drive because they were afraid they would get their bus set on fire or be beaten or something but in this case the entire union refusing to drive through. There's really no way out of town again. Yes over the moments looking kind of hopeless but the Kennedy Administration finally Pressures Alabama Governor John. Patterson Patterson too promise protection or else face having the national guard called in and so- Patterson agrees to provide state protection as the writers continue their trip to Montgomery Alabama. Yeah we mentioned this American heritage documentary in the last episode based on Raymond Arsenault Book and it really contains some great interviews with former freedom riders. But it's worth watching. I think just to see Catherine burks brooks expression as she recalls feeling relaxed enough to does on the bus. I it's kind of of an expression. Like what was I thinking mixed with total disappointment. A little sarcasm thrown in there. It's it's so you should watch it just to see that but that that feeling that total relaxation able to fall asleep on the bus feeling obviously doesn't last very long because in Montgomery the state protection and drops off and they're thinking well the city police will pick up protection but nobody ever comes though here the bus just rolling into Montgomery with no one around mm-hmm. Yeah and John Siegenthaler Robert. Kennedy's assistant the man who had been negotiating with the governor about providing state protection. He remembered thinking quote. I knew suddenly trail disaster. I hope not death so he scared to at this point. A mob of more than two hundred weights at the Greyhound station for them. The first target this time time is the reporters and cameramen because the mob has seen how quickly these pictures get out. Not just in the south not just in the United States but all over the world and they. I don't want that to happen again. This episode of stuff. 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It was a spectacle in addition into this really violent scene and John Lewis who had been part of the original core ride and had been actually attacked in South Carolina was hit in the head with a wooden win crate. And William Barbee had somebody tried to drive a steel rod through his ear and even dollar who is the direct representative of to the president was hit with a pie trying to help one of the female freedom riders and he was knocked unconscious so finally the police arrive. They broke up the crowd with tear gas. So the next day may twenty first sort of marks a turning point for the freedom rides the riders and fifteen hundred supporters reporters filled the first Baptist church in Montgomery for a meeting. And by this point Martin Luther King and the larger movement really had to get involved in stand behind the riders even though as we mentioned before many were ambivalent about the ride initially or even thought it would come out hurting the movement but after the violence that head had happened they they had to all stand together and support the ride and so Martin Luther King actually comes down to Montgomery to meet up with everyone here at the church outside the church. Though a mob of three thousand gathers and they're breaking windows threatening to burn down the church the marshalls that said to control. The crowd are just random federal workers. They disperse tear gas with the wind blowing toward them and end up having to run away. They you just have little patches on their sleeves not even uniforms so after that. There's this night of phone calls the Martin Luther King's on the phone with Robert Kennedy trying to get him to do you something. Robert Kennedy is on the phone with Patterson trying to get him to act. Martin Luther King even even gathers up a group of committed nonviolent volunteers to leave the Church Church and dissuade a group of black cab drivers from using violence against the mob. So they're still trying to stick to their principles of nonviolence here. It's the best way for them to hopefully get out of this situation too. So finally the governor puts the city under martial law and people in the church are free in the crowd is broken up. They're free to go. And the freedom writers these are also free to continue under the protection this time of the Alabama National Guard so they hit the road heading toward Mississippi and at the border order the Mississippi National Guard takes over with commands to take the bus right on through to Jackson. News stops no trouble and it kind of seems like they're out of the frying pan into the fire here because Mississippi was considered the most dangerous southern state. You can hear them talking about how as bad as Alabama had had ben for them. Mississippi theme like there might be worth worse things waiting and there were scary signs right across the border. There were signs that said things like quote. Prepare to meet God so it looked like it was going to be as bad as they thought it was gonna be but response that they get. There is quite different from Alabama's messy mob violence. According two trillion the former time reporter Mississippi's Citizens Council and state. Sovereignty Commission wanted to avoid national new scandals and presidential interference to Oh and the president and attorney. General wanted to avoid the violence and beatings on the national news so they made this compromise instead of mob violence. There would be be an organized rapid police response. So what does that mean. This basically means that the first riders from trailways disembarked. The bus went went to the whites waiting room and were asked to leave politely and after they refused they were arrested and this happened again with the Greyhound bus. The charges against them are things. Looks like breach of peace. Yeah so it's this very orderly non-violent comparatively calm yeah maybe even disturbingly disturbingly comments after what they've gone through but from there they'd be quickly processed and sent through court put into the city jail and then eventually shipped off not just to any prison but to the state penitentiary parchman state prison farm. which was one of the most notorious prisons in the country? Just a little side note even if you don't know about Parchman you've probably heard about it if you've listened really carefully to blues folk recordings because in the nineteen thirties. Alan lomax recorded singers and blues men for the Library of Congress singing really sad songs about how hard life was parchman but the freedom writers didn't have the expected reaction that all the authorities in Mississippi thought they would have. They thought that they would just post bail. Get Out out and not act that. Yeah get out of town. But instead they take up the slogan jail no bail and resolve to fill up the prison and clog up their system so so busloads of them. Just keep coming through that summer. Even though on May Twenty Ninth Robert Kennedy petitioned the Interstate Commerce Commission to prohibit segregation in interstate bus travel level and pleaded with the rioters to take cooling off period while the request was processed so he was basically like. Okay we're trying to put this through. Can you guys please stop for a little while L.. He was encouraging them to shift their attention to voter registration. You know something something to work on. Please let this go. But they were completely unwilling to do that. They rejected the cooling off period and instead the rides intensified ultimately three hundred of the four hundred and thirty six freedom. Riders ended up up at Parchman prison and finally by September. Twenty second anniversary we are commemorating here. The Icy Sea issued the order that all all segregated signs would come down at interstate bus and train terminals And we've gotTa talk about the effect of the rides and and what people thought at the time since they were kind of unpopular at the beginning even within the movement according to The New Yorker article we mentioned earlier in nineteen sixty one in Gallup poll showed that only one in four Americans approved of the riots but after the victory it was clear that they had accomplished some they had been effective. Yes so they saw that. Nonviolent activism could really work according to a Smithsonian article by Marion Smith Homes The New York Times for example which was formerly critical critical of the rides. They admitted that the freedom writers quote started the chain of events which resulted in the new ICC order it also had the effect of empowering young student leaders in the movement movement and a forcing ties between the Kennedy Administration and Civil Rights Leader. Exactly those late night phone calls. We were talking about where Martin Luther King is calling up the Kennedy then All of these nineteen year olds. Twenty year olds who decide to leave school during their exams. In and go out and do this but in in addition to Raymond Arsenault Book and that American experience documentary that is inspired by. There is just so much on this story. It's a really. It's a really great one. If you WANNA do some research yourself and get even deeper into it. There are countless interviews and articles by former riders and politicians and journalists. And there's there's a great photographic record and I wanted to just talk about that a little bit more because I think it's so interesting so there aren't just images of the violent beatings meetings and the burning buses and the segregated waiting rooms those images that really went across international newspaper headlines there are also also kind of more personal images too so in two thousand two. The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was forced to open its archives after This lengthy like Multidex long lawsuit with the American Civil Liberties Union and after that three hundred mugshots of the freedom. Riders became came available for the first time and an editor named Eric Ethridge decided to he was really moved by all of these photos of these. These people who have been arrested and kind of have these defiant look some of them Roma smiling. Some of them have clearly been roughed up but he decided to Seek out the freedom writers that were photographed and re photograph them since they would. Of course all be mature adults by that point and he just cold called them he he told Smithsonian that his quote best icebreaker was. I have your mugshot from nineteen sixty one. Have you ever seen it so very cool story. He got a lot of photos. Made a book out of it and it is really interesting to to see what these people went on to do with the rest of their lives after after doing something like this. Maybe when they're only nineteen years old. Yeah I mean I have to imagine that it was thrilling to call them and maybe meet them. I mean these people no matter what you think about their strategy how they went about what they did they were uniquely brave people. Yeah and to find out how many of them were still involved in activism resum or had continued work that seemed really fitting for somebody who has a former freedom riders. 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Medtronic CEO, Dexcom CEO, and Off The Charts

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

46:19 min | 11 months ago

Medtronic CEO, Dexcom CEO, and Off The Charts

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Today we had so much good news that it was almost overwhelming at least until we heard chatter that the White House might keep its tariffs on Chinese goods for another ten ten months which puts the average training gave back through gates Dow closing up just thirty three point zero point one. Five percent. Nasdaq tipping point. Two four percent. But there's a lot going on here and I think leaving the tariffs on until China actually follows through with its promises since they double crossed us so many times makes a ton of sense it should have caused a rally. It's not a self but maybe it was some sort of weird mistaken reason to take profits. I it's worth considering just how much I'm good. The trade war may have -CCOMPLISH in our country and appreciate time tomorrow. The United States China will sign this agreement. China agreed to buy two hundred billion dollars in goods and services. Is this for us. In exchange for government agreed to hold off were tariff roll. Back half of the fifteen percent levy on other products. Those WELBECK's months away we're still keeping tariffs on three hundred sixty billion dollars worth of Chinese goods and China has allowed US currency to become much stronger in exchange. We're no longer cousy democarcy manipulation but China's a strong currency that makes exporters Porter's a lot less competitive so for everyone who told us that the Chinese Communist Party was playing the long game that there was no way we could to win and we will get nothing that workout because to me this site a huge victory. I don't call eighty billion dollars in manufacturing orders over a couple years nothing. I don't call fifty billion dollars in engineers thirty five liters services thirty two billion and digital versions. Nothing like put it to you this way when you come out of the year ago and brick and begin all these concessions plus a pledge to open their markets to American financial companies while we kept most of the tavern place. Well I would have told you that was inconceivable. Even as I've been saying all along China needs a trade deal far more than we do and that's why we're getting such good terms if the Chinese this government lives up to his promises. I'll bet a whole copies will get major project. Our manufacturing sector's dwindled. So much and it's hard to think where the hell will try to be able to find eighty billion dogs with a manufacturing goods. But there's one quick way to spend that money they place work with Boeing. No wonder the bleaguered aerospace stock rally today despite some revelations about how Boeing insiders despairs Lion Air's management as idiots for one more pilot training not long before the tragic seven thirty reset Max crash that killed one hundred nine people bowing. It needs all the help it can get right now. Their orders are awful the worst in decades so two major Chinese purchases other planes that are available would be just what the doctor ordered. Caterpillar deere too heavy machinery makers. Well they could use that business to how about energy now. We got a surf that of fossil fuels coming out of the Gulf of Mexico particularly natural gas and it comes out as multiple liquefied natural gas export terminals that ship the Ellen g all over the world and you know what much of the world is desperate for natural gas for our natural gas China especially that seemed like a pretty easy call agriculture. Remember the Chinese are having a major pork shortage. Cover that yesterday when we talk about the wettest so I'm expecting Tyson foods to fly once. China starts making these purchases. The African swine fever outbreak means. They don't have a choice. People have to eat. How can deal with these orders working brokerage recommendations to by the railroad because of all this stuff needs to be transported to the coast before it can be shipped to China? Just you know I prefer Union Pacific the open up because they had the direct routes in the major agent puts in southern California. Okay what about the flip side of the trade. Everybody told us to stopping big tower. Soon China would push up all the cost of all sorts sorts of goods here. Because that's what Tara Four. They make imports more expensive. So domestic producers can afford to raise prices except hasn't happened. It's actually kind of stunning. It's certainly different from what I learned in the seventies when I went to school today we got the consumer price index for December and. It was up only point two percent. Ed thanks in part to declines and used cars and trucks household furnishings and airline tickets meanwhile the categories whereas most worried about inflation a power Komo. We import all that stuff shelter commodities apparently registered okay. I know this is a little outrageous but to me it seems like maybe the country's got his cake and eat it too. So then why the averages get back to gains. Once the chatter about the tariffs day one until after the election. The media settle on a narrative the mainstream media settle the narrative that there's there's no path forward for a face to trade deal on top of the deal. We've already just to go. She did not listen to me a couple of the fact that the marketing got overboard. That's what I think caused the after after school over what's important. I think that worrying about the path Ford is like worrying about the next game when your team is just one. The Darn Aren't super bowl. The timeline here is not what's important. Don't buy into that. What matters is the president? Trump won't roll back. The tariffs until China falls through. It's promised to buy two hundred billion dollars with the stuff for us to me. It sounds like it sounds like rain trusted verify with the Russians away from trade. We got our first big earnings reports from Delta Airlines Citigroup JP Morgan Wells Fargo. Three out of four were astonishing Delta Porter Magnificent quarter bolstered by robust travel. It was four better than we expect. Sure the company benefited from the fact that all of those seven thirty seven nats planes have curbed. Airline capacity allows him to raise prices but after those numbers the stock was sipping too cheap worst trading just eight times next year's earnings estimates delta. Co Ed bashing a holiday season when he was interviewed by Philip then JP. Morgan Citi City Group gave you much good course J. P. Morgan posted seven percent deposits. Three percent still had strong. That interesting comes despite the decline in the Fed funds rate. That was supposed that neither. I don't know how I play three good news. Hey by the way. Speaking of China I think the new found certainty they came with the deal. I'm on the trade. Truce will lead to a spike. In trading. People stop sitting there hands which helped J. P. Morgan delivered China upset surprise if anything sitting results even more more impressive when you consider that is actually the cheapest of the major banks city had excellent growth. No Line especially credit cards double digits. Comey's also voracious about buying back. Its stock they've now retired. Roughly a third of their share count over the last few years finding wells Fargo when look at their pathetic results makes it clear this copy suffering. It's not spending enough. Perhaps because of the management term. Well Jim Warren has been able to take marketshare left and right in this country because it's invested heavily in in technology and service Wells Fargo is lagging behind and taking new accounts. And that's another reason why it's stock got hammered. They've got to spend a lot. They get their act together SCHARF. UC IOS. He's got his hands full now even though we got a lot of good news the market couldn't sustain this morning's rally again stocks were overboard meaning. We've come very very fast. But the statistics from these bank ensure robust consumer who's still spending within her meets that's an encouraging backdrop. Especially if we're headed into some short-term selloff F- remarkable run one there's is positive. The endless rally overheated hang stocks. Well on the same old price target bump price target bump price target button. News finally sleeves leaves have run. Its course I say how it's good. These talks need to cool down Ma. The banks the airlines have been stalled for a while. And that's how they. They were able to run on positives to respond. Today's hipsterdom pullback turns into a full-blown decline later this week. You need to remember that itself would be terrible things to waste so many companies doing so well. I'd love to buy them but at this point only on weakness. Let's take calls. Let's go to Spencer in Florida Spencer. Louis Jim Nice Spence. What's up so I call it a couple of months ago? At the time I wanted to start a new position Five and below and it was trading around one twenty five at the time and he told me to wait for a pullback so I got in around one eighteen and with the stock tumbling again yesterday I was GonNa. I should buy more away for another pullback hold off I mean the stock did bounce. Today I expected. Come Back Down again tomorrow because pronouncement does not allow us to come back instantly like this but it's going to be a great long term situation which is why didn't fall even more than it did. Spencer Okay how about China California. John Louis Jim. We love you out here. How you've been John always good to hear from you? What's going on okay? I'm thinking about getting back into the infrastructure place. Awesome hardhats an extra trouble I believe the US concrete now. No that's a total show me stock and so far. It hasn't shown me if you went in front you buy Caterpillar. You're right look if we get a cell. Please don't waste it but hands sit on them until we do man money tight coming to you from. CDC's one market art in San Francisco. Nice Day out decks gone pre-announced results shade the JP Morgan Healthcare Conference. What is it for the stock though I got the exclusive than have we thought too too complacent you care about this so I gotta go straight to the empirical data in tonight's off the charts and it's the end of an era for Medtronic Omar? Ish Rock is stepping down as CEO. Omar I sat down with him at J.P Morgan Conference to talk about his tenure. So stay with Kramer Eh dope a second of mad money. Follow at Jim Cramer on twitter. I have a question tweet. Gramer Hashtag Mad tweets. Let's send Jiminy Mel to mad money at CNBC DOT COM or give us a call at one eight hundred seven four three CNBC. Ed Tha Mad. Money Dot C. D. C. dot com. What is decision tech by fidelity it's technology? See The can help you find a stock based on what's trending or an investing goal. It's real time insights and information delivered in your own customized view of the market. It's smarter trading technology for smarter trading decisions and it's only from fidelity open an account today at fidelity dot com slash flash trading fidelity brokerage services. LLC MEMBER NYSE SIPC Sadly big diseases are big business. Wouldn't thirty million Americans have diabetes. So while we're out here for the taping Morgan Healthier comments I could look at one of the companies it helps manage the condition decks calm. The maker of continuous glucose monitor measure blood sugar levels without the need to constantly prick your finger for blood sample over the past. Two years comes dacas more than quadruple on the strength of what I regard as the great innovation in the field but this is kind of what are we gonNA caller. What have you done for me lately? Market and yesterday we got a confusing forecast copied pre-announce on strong revenue for the fourth. Quarter shockingly trump but they paired that result with what was widely viewed as a conservative for your revenue forecast. This DACA dingy could be buying opportunity. Let's check in with an old friend of the show. Kevin Sarah the Chairman Presidency of decks com. Get a better read on these results in with the company said welcome back to the mid money. Thank you could be here. Every year he come out to take more conservative guy. And every you come out and you blow the numbers away and then you do give conservative forecast. All I'm asking. Is this pretty much business as usual for you. This is business as usual for us. We lay out a forecast that contemplates for example pricing changes in the market. I talked yesterday about the fact that our foreign oren growth will be faster than our domestic growth this year so that's a lower revenue per patient per channel and also Medicare's a little lower than our traditional commercial insurance and and as we move our product to the pharmacy our revenue probation for years a little bit lower. So we've contemplated those things competition and if things go better we'll we'll tell everybody but we we know what we did to build these numbers. It's consistent with what we've done past okay. Now one of the things that people tell me. Hey Jim I know you'll love this thing but everybody buddy who can get everyone who has it is taking. I see not only the opposite for type one and type two but the global crisis would indicate. We're nowhere near penetration saturation. We're not close with all the tools. We have diabetes. Complications still run rampant for people with diabetes. The percentage Senator People non-effective with diabetes complications hasn't changed. It hasn't gotten any better well in two years ago when they kept the data. How many more people have gotten diabetes? Fifteen million more around the world. How is that possible this is up? Our diets are nature quite frankly. What's going on with the way we live combined with with jeans and everything it's just more and more frequent and it's not that easy to identify anymore either at particularly type two it used used to be? We'll type two that. Somebody Obese does whatever. It's not the case anymore. Now you do have a new iteration coming up seventy six now while the proper positive how small is going to be. The seven is a little bit smaller than a quarter circumference little bit a little bit thicker but but smaller it will be a fully Ali disposable platform so a patient will wear it for their where period hopefully out to fourteen or fifteen days trove away and put another one on. We're doing what patients it's want. They want simpler. They wanted us here. You are consumer oriented a unique the talk a lot of companies there DR oriented that their medical professional oriented but but we are because it's our patients who are that device everyday. It's our patients who depend on it for their life. With that information we started hearted as physician oriented actually and we made a very conscious decision. We still work with them and talk with them. We made a very conscious decision about about four years ago when we hired a new marketing team. Let's go consumer healthcare. It's really work has been very helpful. I tell people that you were on and there are people who email me immediately really. Because I've got to tell you this. Let me give you one. This is my friend. Arche rights is. He loves the decks when he says it is literally seeing the motion picture. Her of what your blood sugar is doing allowing you to figure out what happens when I go for run. EAT PASTA excetera. It absolutely slowly does he. Even if you don't have diabetes 'cause you know I wear these things a bunch. We Watch the football game together in the suite last night and I had a bowl of chocolate covered pretzels next to me so I had a few and then I looked at my glucose reading this morning and I'm sorry no more chocolate covered the house for me is your blood. Sugars are pass Mr. Yeah no for me A- as you work on being healthier you learn things from a CG even without diabetes with exercise you learn. What that does your glucose for the day? It's really important now. It's so important that we have to address the notion of the outage that Thanksgiving's I know I know that you were on you. Address it head on you bury it. You did not act like it happens so tell us what the services were in the outcome. Certainly we have Featuring our system where patients on our system on their phones can share data with other caregivers or other loved ones. That data comes from a server architecture. That that that that we've put together. We move that those servers to a bigger platform earlier last year and over Thanksgiving we had some issues with the servers and they went down. And nobody's in the building in Thanksgiving. You know it was a Saturday of thanksgiving. We got our message out and we eventually eventually got it fixed. There's some great learnings for us here. In fact gymnast three of them liked over the first one as I said earlier. This was our fault. We could have been more diligent than what we did. And we won't let this happen again. The second thing we learned is communication when our when when we have something like this. We're kind of perfectionist. So we wanna fix everything well. We couldn't fix this immediately. took us some days. So while we communicated in eight hours that they were down we didn't have continuous messages and and other things. We've we've taken measures to begin. No because we're GONNA put live messaging our APP. We're also GONNA put like a server status report on our webpage so if anybody's experiencing difficulty they can go look at that but the third thing we learned. How important is this? Because based on on the reaction of everybody people are calling. Reporters are calling all over everywhere to get out that our servers are down and as I'm hearing from people in getting emails I'm going well. We have a big responsibility here. Well adjusted swiftly and sternly. That's right one there center that no two partnerships Longo Company recommended many times Eli Lilly meaningful partnerships for you they are meaningful partnerships on the Louis. Front we're going to have integrated devices with their smart pens and they're working on an insulin. Well they love you We we really like working with them to on the Longo side. This is a data a partnership whereby they'll get dated to put into their coaching platform tougher better accommodations to their patients as we talked about intermittent glucose measurement rather than four finger sticks six today. Let's give you two hundred eighty eight points to your partner from Google. Harder from from fairly is going very well. I signed a yesterday there on dual platform MS Beginning to get mature also well look. You're straightforward your tough-minded and you delivered masonry for your consumers for shareholders. They're not consumers. Are What you care about the most Kevin Sarah the chairman President CEO of decks Com. We mentioned a tough issue. This thanksgiving I wish every executive nick dressing awake heaven addressed it head on honest and forthright their money back after the break Gotten complacent I keep boring. This market has way way too much momentum the stocks keep growling on the same old news. I don't like that it's something that could potentially set us up for a real rude awakenings bangs tonight. I WANNA get a little more empirical. That's right I wanna read on the situation but going off the charts with Mark Sebastian. He's helped us lot. He's brain tissue Titian. WHO's the founder of option pit DOT COM? He's also my colleague at Real Money Dot Com right. Blog is our resident volatility expert money. That's the bishop. As it tried to methodology he spots sell off before they happen by watching the CPO volatility index vix for short also known as the fear gauge that measures the level of implied ride volatility in five hundred when investors are afraid of its worst higher investor. Confidence it stays low most important thing though. Is that normally the Vixen Nixon the SBA tend to move in opposite actions. And that's why the fear gauge the VIX is supposed to go down on updates. It's supposed to go up on down this but there are times when that pattern full support and this is what the best is always watching for when the market rallies in the vix rallies with it that tells you lots of investors are afraid and we might be headed for a serious pull back. We saw this happened a couple of times last year. Now what you take a look at this pair of daily charts. These are right there. These are the S. and P. Five hundred on top and the volatility volatility knicks. Were the thanks on the bottom. Last April the S. and P. went up for several days in a row. So you go back here right. You see these updates and the vitual started moving higher will sure enough the market experience and were we sell off in the vix but all right then last September go over here now the SNP was flat for several days right in a row while the vix moved up and we had a little auto rally not it was amid rally really was important one that we before though so what are some bashing think we should be looking at right so now we have it or not. He thinks we're in better shape than you believe. This is important because a lot of people including me sense too much complacency. Why don't you take out? Check out this shorter-term shorter-term pair of daily charts. So we're looking at the S. and P. Five hundred and the Vicks and we're going back to early October for a couple of days look like we were in trouble right yes uh-huh roaring but the vix also started taking up that's the classic warning sign this ambitious always looking for however in recent days the SNP continue. Can you decline while the victims collapsed. Look at that and that is actually an encouraging sign. Suggest when I'm worried about complacency he's telling me be careful it's not he shouldn't. There isn't a lot complacency option traders remember the vix is based on the action in the options market simply simply aren't putting one hedges. They're not putting more hedges as the market rallies. Fear viewer isn't rising is actually falling. It's shorts bashing says the vix is giving you the green light to stick with US market. Go into earning season so here. I am concerned about complacency and he saying listen you. Here's what you gotta worry about. There's no spike simultaneously with this run a spike simultaneous with this room with me and we should be worried. We're not done. We've got to confirm this. We WanNa look at the vix volatility index which measures the volatility of the vix itself more sensitive to changes in the fear level. And right now the vix it's been collapsing to is currently at the. Lowes for the quarter. Round eighty-five special puts out doesn't technically oversold to false blow. Eighty which means there's still room room for the actual vaults who go even lower. Now I gotTa tell you. That's a much more encouraging story than I expected to see. At this point in the cycle I was very concerned that there would be eh. Frankly that we're all just kind of just what's the best river. But and this is a very big but even though the overall fear levels extremely low Sebastian. Does this market has never been more jumpy on a small pullback so let's go back to that pair of charts showing the estimated five hundred vic since October. Take a look at what happens. When the Dow had had modest down days the vix spike each time down? Look it's by heart. A tiny decline in the market proves too big move in the vaulted leaders. This tells the bashing that there are a lot of investors itchy trigger fingers who are ready and waiting to start hedging the moment things start going south. Wow that's a major problem. Why Sebastian uses the early warning system to detect some serious cells before they go into overdrive given the recent action? He thinks we'll have a much shorter warning than usual. Now you may only get two or three days of of the vix rallying with a flat or upmarket before we see some sort of breakdown in the average got to be pretty wary here. Basically Sebastian things the volatility Selena is giving you a green light here but is very stale greenlee. Sooner or later we're going to pull back in you know I'm worried about that. Happened with less warning than usual and and not just like the decline we had today. That's how he's talking about a couple of big decline hover. He believes we have more room to run before they never pull back the bottom line. The charts is interpreted by Mark Mark. Sebastian suggested this red hot market still has legs but it could also turn on a dime so be careful out there. Let's speak to tone ooh in Washington. DC Tom Yes sir yes sir. Hi Jim Hey Jim. twenty-three year government employees Max. PSP contribution in late September. I did it enter fund transfer to G. I want to know win is a good time to move profits back into the market and should never move again until retirement in two years. Okay tone we WANNA move in order to break and I know what's so annoying this. We just aren't getting that big break. But you just gotTa stay gotta stay the course. I think if you don't stay the course you're going to end up regretting so let's just be calm. Be Cool if it doesn't come in. It's okay to miss it and you got two years could ride it out. Same Strategy the whole two years by the charts jests with just one thing tone. Don't put it all explain. The chart suggests this incredible. Arkansas has room to run but it can also turn on a dime as it has a little cautious that you can stay in the market. The charts injustice incredible walking is still to run but it can also turn a dime so stay cautious buddy. MEDTRONIC has returned property. Two hundred seventy deepak sent to shareholders SINCEO Omar Ish rock took over twenty eleven. All that. What's next for the company as he prepares to step down then Glock proxy Yo showing? What true woo leadership looks like? Hey why lawyer calls rapid fire. Tonight's Egyptian of Leiden around so stay with rarer. You're out here at the J. P. Morgan Healthier Converse medtronic Arctic medical device maker gave. What I thought was very bullish presentation? But the market reacted negatively to some short-term headwinds We spoke to chairman. CEO Omar Ish rock at the time. He told us to focus on his company's incredibly bright future. And not worry about the nick or pennies. He's the people were folks starting. Today clearly nailed it. MEDTRONIC's stop has surged from the low eighties. where it was one to one hundred seventeen dollars now? I think it's got even more upside. Thanks to this. It's amazing pipeline. But don't take it from me earlier. Today we sat down with mystery. Shrouds again to talk about the future. Take off in this. Is it for you. You have amazing things for medtronic but you're about to step down. What do you think your legacy? Well the most important legacy do things talking about one is The number of patients who've served last fiscal year we served seventy five million patients and in one year when I started it was the number was more like twenty million a year so just watching that and the impact that has had on people is a huge thing and I think the company's position to extend further the other and most important thing is the team in Medtronic the people that we have there now the leadership. I'm really thrilled. Thrilled with Jeff Martin and and his leadership team below him. And what's more is that general managers that we have running these individual businesses who care passionate but the area and healthcare I think if he can keep that sustained and grow it will he be and I'm sure he will be. Because this is is in your DNA continue the industry leadership in technology which is how I absolutely absolutely and it's not just jeff was the team below. Oh Him and like I said general managers below the Business Unit Presidents and group managers and so on down in the guts of the organization. Technology is the thing the drives medtronic. There's one other aspect of the technology of the Arctic Gi's used to what we say alleviate pain restore health or extend life in other words make an impact so we don't do solutions percent. We address problems. And that's the culture medtronic and I think that's what separates medtronic from from other technology companies and one that guarantees a sustainable future last year. At this conference you gave a presentation and at the presentation there tended to be some shade down of Nicholas from eighty eight. Eighty two came on this show and you said this is not the way to view Medtronic medtronic Mike Has Consistent Dividend medtronic considering but medtronic's also not afraid to fail. You go places that nobody else will. It turned out to be an amazing buying opportunity whim. We'll people realize allies that you were both inventing not afraid to fail and also be consistent. That's correct yeah and that will continue and I think everyone needs to understand. Metron has a long term view of healthcare. We're responsible about financials. We Guarantee Our dividend today degree. We're intelligent eligible use of free cash flow were interested in and committed to our returns but at the same time this is a long-term company our mission and uncivil again just a used acknowledgee to levy pain restore health and extend life. That journey doesn't stop. Never stop you are important in a two things. We're both people. Give Up. Give up on the brain with brain skin and the back where we tend to be able to just say. Let's fuse it. You are not accepting accepting those kinds of dictums. You're not accepting the current way that people do things with the brain and the back because the I I do think that the neuro stimulation and understanding nervous system and how signals propagate in the nervous system. And what they do is an area understanding. That's really embryonic right now in engender. And there's a lot of empirical work people try things and something's happened and tried to narrow down on that but I think what's important is actually understanding the mechanisms the faction and that's something that metron ICUs committed. You're doing this is a long term commitment. There's not going to happen like one year but action needs to be taken every Korea and the brain The most recent product of just launched Called the perceptive. DBS system has a sensing mechanism for the first time. So the first time you'll actually see Signals in the brain and understand when you stimulate what happens to signals and through that eventually actually create a closed loop system for treatment of Parkinson's and possibly essential entr tremor and again some years out who have everything in place in real patients and commercially available products to which we can start their journeys again going after things that others have given up on hypertension kills millions. Okay I started ten years ago. Others gave up gave up. Gave up using ten mute. Pursue your not afraid to spend a lot of money on something that will not pursue will not necessarily produce results in a given year. That's right as long as the the study that we do is that do we have Danjabbo and rational reason for doing it. Time the secondary the first thing is do we understand understand. Is there a reason to do it. And then we pursue it and I think the hypertension example is one of the best ones restarted. That ten years ago there was a failed trial but we didn't give up. We try understand. Why did the Trough Hill? How can we just? It isn't the cohorts we're looking after. Is it the type of technology we have is. The administration is the design of the trial. All of those were. We're open questions and Renard it down to now you know. We're close to present some pivotal trial results in March and we'll see the too early to commit to that our country is ravaged adage by a opioid addiction. And that's because no one seems to have any solution for pain. You guys are directly approaching. What causes pain and dealing dealing with it and maybe one day ending a lot of yeah and I think the stimulation again back to the understanding the nervous system? I think that's a poorly understood and Pain after pain is a sensation that you feel because of signals that are transmitted through the nervous system if you can understand that and if you can control those signals in a in a in a programmable way and in a logical way I think at some point in the future I know that We will we will address that problem and it's not just a single shot. That's probably different. Types of pain require different types of management. And we're very early as a society if you like very early in the journey of learning that but we are absolutely committed to that dime that could set a secondary their understanding is primary. Even since I saw. You asked the the compliments that you've done with robotics needs to be noted You are also saving the system from air saving the system. I'm from the inexact that acquisition of Maser paid off and did it's only the beginning to pay off. Let's put it that way where it's being used. Well it's been I used in major centers the US the main area in most major centers in the US without naming an ear have have one of those The sort of the desire for that and is is pretty high but most importantly what it does is it it makes The procedures consistent. It gives you quantitative data as to Hard to manage the procedures. There's a planning aspect to this thing. which more system so in half and increasingly now we're integrating with other technologies such as our navigation addition system and eventually our imaging system to which the power of that robot will really increase? But it's also important to recognize that You know a robotics isn't a general answer to everything You know the robots will be different. This is spinal robot. We're also working in a journal. SURGERY ROBOT VISIT CRANIAL ROBOT There will be others and and Just like surgeries different procedures. Robots needs to be optimized to do certain things and and Missouri's our first step into a delighted with the results if you're saints change and a spine business this last year. Ever since I've been here has had its strongest here and the robot is playing a big role. It's also mad money. You have I two hundred seventy eight five percent return since you came in twenty eleven. That's a remarkable return And I cannot stress enough that you're not afraid to fail. You're going after the the big areas and yet you're still consisted on congratulate you Omar for Benton Jim that's Omar Ishrat he's chairman of Net China in bt remarkable what company weight work in Madrid. It is time they sound data by third down and then the lightning round is over. Are you raise key goods. Tom And can I get Tom. Thanks for helping US little people. My question today is about curious radio as member. We're all little people like Greenstein. You start to like Jim. Meyer like the management like the product. 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Hong Kong politicians call for return of order

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Hong Kong politicians call for return of order

"Today provide you with in depth news and heads for the malices telling the whole story on the news. You want to know only on today. Hong kong politicians call for return of autre british conservative -servative and peace warned against blocking no deal brexit thous- crab demands early handover of american military base fierce over recession once against docking the marcus and french spirits maker to china's first whisky distillery. You're listening to road today. A news program with a different perspective took on ghana in the coming hour will bring you in depth analysis of this news and other stories whipping fully to listen to this absolute acting or to pick up on previous apsos apsos. Please download. Our podcast are searching row today. Some hong kong politicians have strongly denounced the recent violent acts of of radical protesters and called for the return of public hotter thirty nine lettuce. Lady of counselors issued a joint statement on sunday strongly condemned radical. Oh demonstrators <hes> for escalating violence and endangering public safety among among them is legislative councilor. Li y king dom yufeng on victim bollocks the continued escalation of illegal acts of vandalism by some violent and radical demonstrators has made the protest far are from the so-called peaceful and rational activity. We appeal again to the people of hong kong to stand against violence and send together is strong message stake of condemnation violence otherwise it'll be the hong kong residents suffer in the end the statement ray h ray to the lawmakers of fu support for the police and the police to take effective measures to stop violence and disorder and arrest offenders as soon as possible for more on this joining joining us on the line these do den our reporter on the spot in hong kong who has been covering this story so dudin host everything there is some western media outlets and also some local hong kong media were quick to accuse a police a using force but several videoclips show protesters violently acting now house before the police arrived so what exactly happens there. Could you please give us an update as to what happened to this past weekend. Well this past weekend weekend. Math riders 'cause booker lies upon coined the national airport even though the site has been given an injunction on august fourteenth regarding prove is why it's on on august twelve and thirteen airport f._m. Stations in the airport would be an event. They have turned their side on awestruck in airports. Nobody's by damaging in for somebody being t._v. Station brecon ticket machines and security cameras near sunny day riders through brick and other objects onto the railway track. They could have jeopardized the safety of passengers if the n._p._r. Stuff members were not to deal with the situation quickly. This situation escalated when they read it to tone sean all stations due to the appearance of rightfully so the damage was recorded in the station to citizens were bitten off by math wider as they were taking pictures of wider destroying public property <hes> as you said actually violence erupt across hong kong and the cds and match authority also closed closed five lines during the weekend. So how do these violent acts affected the public daily life <hes> based on your experiences. Any specific cases well. They're violent acts the fact the public and ordinary people they delight as many citizens were were debate or after for work as many years here is put into danger by the lila's gliders well retail sales but fell thirteen percent year on year in july according to trading economics. There are people such a pregnant woman who suffocated n._p._r. Stations have retreat and delayed as medical stuff and fun it hard to go into our patients taxi. She drivers business has been affected as their nest tourist in hong kong and many locals choose to stay at home to stay away from the protests. According according to the secretary of commerce economic development at would yell they didn't press conference that the number of births thirty from july has declined by thirty thirty percents <hes> <hes> according to government says is a trade deficit of thirty two point two billion dollars recorded in july yeah <hes> that's a learning one particular video bounce jaw a lot of people's attention. These some protesters wasn't harassing passengers in the subway. <hes> in one instance video was posted on internet of immense standing up to confront the riotous and who was key to buy bottles of water and umbrellas in other objects. It seems that these people are not only against as a police but also anyone who disagrees with them so would you say this is the case now. Well these are these writers are very screaming and physical physical and mental way physically destroyed public harmony by bidding citizens and passers-by author spy the freezing a few bombs near respiratory arisen one try which endanger the safety of citizens living nearby as long as the police officers were nearby. Many public facilities were damaged or destroyed such as lies on the street or taking my shaving chair station mentally these writers choose disclose personal information of police officers and their family boycotting them and public areas even social clubs. Many of the writers gathered john involved dusting police living quarters late at nine using lasers to point at their family window harming the police family over one thousand and one hundred people arrested as june twenty nine teen with a sixty three people arrested and yes it is lie well people who are saying that <hes> is this the freedom that the testers wont thanks jude down child for the writers and cape safe safe for more on a thorough understanding of the hong kong cdu asian. Let's turn to our were analyst. John ross senior fellow with choi institute. A for financial studies remain ramming university of china so welcome john ross <hes> ross. A mr ross was your take on car industry association. The police recently bend the application of a public protest on hong kong island last ascent saturday. They say you was to ensure the safety of residents and a public auditor. After several arro- <hes> similar events turn extremely violent. However protesters defied the ban by a a all coupon don rose. So how do you assess the nature of their actions. Now well the two groups of people who are involved in in hong kong the first there should be no allusion the people who are carrying out this violence a highly highly organized that you only have to watch the videos and all this this this thing through trains and usa very offensive weapons most of which which is a delicate dead deadly weapon <hes> out to do is riot. Please town to take the cetera fees are closely linked to pick the date right. The key leaders of the movement for example joshua wong regularly visit they see was <hes> supported for the nobel peace prize by i <hes> senator marco rubio the people's that's melting leah funded by the national endowment for democracy which is funded by the u._s. Congress congress and they have quite goals which all <hes> separatism another things just went and sixteen. You have a fringe leave more extreme people opinion i i put in this <hes> for example steve bannam the former advisor to president trump and declared that if there was a massacre in hong because the chinese government but collapsed he would regard the chinese the clamps the chinese come spreading good thing and therefore he would <hes> <hes> massacre would be white spring this about <hes> these people <hes> that's fringe view but nonetheless exist these people are there for provoke extreme violence <hes> in wait no society would accept and have a political agenda which they don't open the class then there are other groups of people who <hes> not wide tape loop got complaints about inequality <hes> house in saunas. He doesn't wanna get involved in on it. As uh-huh multi cultural. You can kill somebody most of them no trouble at all <hes> if you're going to use this type of thing you'd expect to spend many years in prison and therefore most of the people in hong kong to know what involved in such activities but there is a small group of people who are very very determined to do this and that that the lou <hes> one thing you mentioned about the interference of the from the united states their reasons remarks remarks by the chairman of the house committee on foreign affairs and also congressman <hes> have been harsh towards the chinese central government and his policy the two wars the hong kong government and also the hong kong as a our government over how the hundred the violent protest so. What's your take on the u._s. Interference on the hong hongkong issue and how will this affect those young people's well. I think that the <hes> false ical blunt blunt thanks bye nuts like if you had stopped actions the united states being put us one american put it on social media the streets would be littered with dead <hes> <hes> the american police would never tolerate <hes> the activists captured by the people in hong kong and they would act with <hes> much more extreme violent games in the hong kong police dot com. My thing which is about hong polices that they have active is extremely ringnes strength. Some people might say that they've acted into restraint away but that's up people on the ground operational decide. What is the appropriate thing to do but if you make a comparison if the <hes> in france there are weekday demonstration's by so-called yellow jacket <hes> who done gates try try most of cocktails and things like that but <hes> which people they've been attacked by the police people have had their hands amputated people had that is knocked out et cetera. This receives no publicity in the west. If you start try molotov cocktails at american please. You have a very significant chance of ending up dead because they will shoot you <hes>. I'm there are no shots fired into the crowd and nothing they hong kong. Police have acted most restrained way competitive situation u._s. So so therefore only stay with coming out of the united states are extremely hypocritical <hes> but we also saw another news hong kong police lisa saturday the sixteenth thir- sixty three people aged thirteen to thirty six were arrested on saturday night. There were arrested stayed also suspicion of illegal assembly and possessing explosive as well as other weapons among the people tend to thirteen year old kid with the two petrol bombs and lighters. That's alarming. How much influence do you think western and local hong kong media is having on kiss. Well extremely powerful one. I mean getting take another example media billionaire in hong kong jimmy lai now. He declared edson bull street journal. I am one of the troublemakers so we don't have to prove that she's the media raise them encouraging people because he declares himself. Oh fun well what they the people who are leading this. I have a political agenda of <hes> secession from china independent etc zero john success and it's deeply cynical because whatever there are other active which is the pre neither british british no the u._s. government would support independence on call. I am this agenda. Is there for being hidden from the people and i can well believe that you know young people who are not really think able to you know he'll start teams. We call unless you kind of think out all the consequences. We are an action. I'm these people are being manipulated by people who don't declare their gender and they can get me me too extremely serious <hes> situation and you know which can change their entire lives the worst and in addition to the damage done to other people so i think this is deeply. The nicole <hes> the please well acted decisively to protect the safety and rights of the general public radio statement statement from the spokesperson of the hong kong as a our government. We see the hong kong. Police are reacting positively to recent unrest. How do you assess the reaction under capability of the hong kong. Police are going to see a decline in the number of protests well. When i was in <hes> for eight years i was in charge roger london's economic policy. We had very regular working with the <hes> police forces. I know that very sometimes involving literal life and death decisions <hes>. I know that a great deal of information has to be had in order to decide the precise operational response which is made with situation. I wouldn't dream from outside <hes> lacking such information of giving opinions on what was the exact precise operational message. That should be taken. What is the overall situation is confronted with the level of violence which is life threatening <hes> violent. The hong kong police have so far acted not in a restraint way to stay. Some people would say to restraint. I have no opinion on that <hes> all right waiting to express any opinion on matha ah but they have not acted any extreme wet so nobody no country in the world would accept people going around strutting deadly weapons such as molotov cocktails in that situation and therefore. I didn't know whether these protests will be stopped this week or two or three weeks depends on that actual situation but they we'll be stopped because they have no political perspective which can possibly succeed and that carried out by methods which no country in the world will accept they will fail the question is when will thanks. Mr ross is s john ross senior fellow with chong-young institute for financial studies ramming university of china coming up british conservative and peace warned against a blocking no deal brexit state with us. I am on koch idea. I teach at the villa nail louise university india today has organized. It's programs and <hes> each on bringing in a lot of views from all over. It is an extremely hey good platform for information and analysis that we should all in the future. You're you're listening to wrote today or the weekend. Thousands of demonstrators gathered outside number ten donnie street in london and across country we to voice their anger over prime minister boris johnson's decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to brexit jimmy corbin leader of the opposition labor party eighty is expected to put forward a proposal was all the opposition parties to challenge the government to stop a no deal brexit when the house resumes from august has to recess. He said he was hopeful. Of securing the backing of the commons conservative party waves are warning story and peace not to rebel against the prime minister or they may lose their cease for more on these where joined on the line by martha bevington so <hes> policy researcher at u._k. A in a changing europe linden based think tank welcome martha marcy mister johnson decision to suspend parliament has triggered heard a nationwide protests. What will happen next to particularly went and peace returned to linden this week. After the summer break well i mean the whole summer really been building up to this week when m._p. Will try and piece of legislation to force the government probably to request a feather extension of article fifty copyrighted by it. You sorry i saw something wrong with your lying and a will call you back. You're listening now. He wrote today right now. We're talking about british people protest against the u._k. Parliament suspension because over the weekend ken to thousands of demonstrators gathered outside number ten downing street in london and across the country to voice their anger over prime minister boris johnson's those decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to brexit jeremy corbyn. The leader of the opposition labor party is expected to put forward a proposal ozo- was on opposition parties to challenge the government to stop a no deal brexit when when the house resumes from august recess he said he was hopeful of securing the backing of the comments and concerts per a conservative party waves are warning tori and peace not to rebel against the prime minister or they may lose their seats now so welcome back. <hes> marcie please continue was a what will happen next to europe repeating so yeah. I think the m._p.'s are going to try this week to pass a piece of legislation <hes> in very in a very short period which chill attempt to force the government to request a further extension of article fifty ithaca mccown reach an agreement with the by mid october. <hes> i think the likely affect this is it it will create <hes> a second stunned so the government in which they can say kind of pose m._p.'s against the people and say m._p.'s are trying to force us is to remain in the e._u. Longer than we want we go would like to leave <hes> this could end up being a pretext for an election main. Don't play but it's like we're heading in the direction over an election important and this will be a crucial step in really stepping the agenda for what i like about how the government will sell that proposition in that election which will be back goes on we can leave the european union. Otherwise m._p.'s are gonna stop it. According to you sky news conservative party on ps i have been warned by party officials that if anyone fails to vote with the government they will lose their party support and will not stand as candidates in any election election. So what do you make of. This is how democracy is supposed to work well. I mean that's really an internal party. The issue for the conservative party then to decide who are they kind of how they decide that candidate but i think really from a strategic point of view of boris johnson seems curious if he wants to win any vote in this parliament because he's already working with a majority of maybe one or two m._p. By doing this the he's gonna lose you know at least probably probably you know the three or four and actually lose his working majority in parliament but things like if it is a genuine threat on on whether it actually is or whether it's just to try and force when he's not to rebel in the first place then it looks like johnson's not really concerned about winning many vote in this parliament which is another indication that we might be heading towards an election. <hes> does that mean european. This warning won't be effective. You know achieving a record. I mean it might be effective in swaying a few people who who are sort of on the fence but there are some really <hes> very prominent figure than the conservative party david colquhoun okay who in the previous administration roy stuart's and if you will who basically have a very publicly well known principal position on no deal and they are unlikely okay to roebuck on not just because of this threat and she'd means that they can just done for the conservative party scene. They seem fairly clear that they they don't mind again conscience rather than with that policy <hes> we see several former british cabinet minister also known as bragged into rebels among choi members a terrarium tory members of parliament are expected to have a showdown meeting with the prime minister boris johnson today. So what can we expect from this meeting eighteen well. I think it's still unclear whether that's actually going to happen anymore. I mean i i think in a way that each side knows the position of the other on a lot of this is just posturing and there's probably very little johnston can do to assuage their concerns in the sense that he's already taken very strong position on the case e policy and they're not going to convince him to change his government's policy so it doesn't really seem as though that would achieve very much really <hes> it looks it looks as their way heading towards show down this week and really it's a question of how the government handled. The piece of legislation has a pretty decent trump being pasta to except when ps lay down or do they say actually no we disagree with this fundamentally. We are not going to implement and that would trigger a wide crisis in this domestic. The government decides that he's actually going to ignore legislation and that's the thing to watch that your winnow prime minister has promised that the u._k. Would leave the u. On october tober thirty-first any brexit deal cannot be a great how brussels had the halloween deadline but with montigny pressure from the public. Do you think he might have a second salts well. I think it's unclear whether there is mounting pressure from the public. I think the general feeling in the countries that yes everybody would like breakfast one way or another student rather than late but there's a question of whether people want that at any i mean there's certainly a proportion of the public props food kids who really would like to leave any costin. Don't mind leaving with no deal but it's unclear what the majority of rural think <hes>. It's difficult to predict how it would play out. We ended ended up leaving the e._u. With no deal <hes> i suspect even a lot of voters to all pro brexit and don't mind in theory the idea of deal students. They're l. concrete impact on the ground that may change and it's also important to remember that johnston has not won't vote in parliament yet and he's also not being you know put himself to the public hasn't gained his position through general election. If we end up having no deal and then there was a beer or at least even moderate economic impact it really puts him in a very weak position we still previously with alexa golden brown when he became prime minister without having tim rolex very quickly people question the legitimacy of the leader of the decisions that they take the it's going to be a very difficult position to be so less period of boris johnson's new brexit <hes> aside <hes> <hes> with a deadline approaching what options are left for british citizens. Who do you think we'll be able to stop mister johnson's nodia brexit well again. I think it's not even entirely clear that that is the first choice i mean. The state's position of goldman is we want to deal but if seekonk deal will leave with no deals <hes> they seem to have changed at addition recently in the sense that they seem to be planning an election after no deal whereas now it seems that the presence is having an election before no deal <hes> so i mean whether or not where the deal happens or not i think he's he's it's probably unlikely for two reasons really m._p.'s have so mechanisms by which they can stop the government but i also think the government would probably at this point rather go to an election price yeah no deal and actually other consequences if no deal play out and then go to an election so very quickly. We have thirty seconds left. So what will the people ended economy me face after heart brexit well if we leave the e._u. With no dealer we expect significant destruction of voters will be the most visible thing that happened but also know the island there were really wide implications for the island of ireland as a whole no that particular economically because there'd be the addition of immediate barriers between the north and the south but also socially and politically it could really spark a wider political crisis on the island and <hes> actually calling coens question the <hes> the integrity of the union if the united kingdom and just a stunt so it it won't be easy but at the same time some of the immediate impacts may not won't be as bad as a lot of people think the pound will probably just in advance stock markets will proceed advanced d._v._d. Day impact of domestic is people. Thank you matthew babington policy researcher at the u._k. In a changing europe a london-based think tank you're listening to road today on the anna state with us yeah hello this is michael. John greetings from los angeles of the golden state of california plenty of thank you today for making me part of your team. I truly enjoy the debates we had and look forward to many more in the years to come in a <music> seat for secretary of the embassy of tula to china. It's been a nano taking part on your show and telling you about the relationship contain julia child. Which can you all the best china plus dot cri. Dots is your home for everything you want to know about china the latest news in china and everything china-related from around the world everything can focus all in one place bringing you vital information feel business and travel chinese culture language learning and more shaina plus dot cri dot c._n._n. China plus dot cri dot c. n. Your portal in today's middle kingdom for breaking news news stories that matter to you check out our twitter page and follow us by searching china plus news. We focus on the middle kingdom. Welcome back to the world today with me to listen to this episode again or to catch up on previous apsos police load our podcast by searching wrote today refiners on yeezy f._m. Or china plus in your app store fouls kring official have announced the government will seek the early return turn of twenty six u._s. military base in the country including the u._s. Force korea headquarters in young shun the blue house national security charity consummate the decision last friday amid a widening rift between the two allies the u._s. increases pressure on cra to pay more for the upkeep of the united nice days force the u._s. Also seeing nasser siding ways japan so st sp butte with tokyo over treat and intelligence sharing so for for more on this joining us on the line is kim chong kim professor of law at korea university. Welcome professor so professor kim dan according to south korea the process of returning the show military base well start watching this year and they will seek the early returns of at least four u._s. spaces. So what do you make of the tentative tamblyn announced by the south korean site first of all the main <hes> <hes> state in the center of sold. That's these young son. <hes> military bay <hes> that the military base the agreement to return to south korean government has already been made and u._s. posted in korea has been <music> elaine's the return <hes> so it is <hes> some kind of agenda reminder from south korean government to the u._s. Military military <hes> that you are being you know delayed. Would you please return because a lot of the raisin and commas and people need the military base when the plan <hes> to return debates was announced and the time line was already announced then they made various risk plans and various investment decision so as the return is being delayed all these investment decision made by korean people business nearby they are beginning to stuff <hes> quite a lot and that that main re i i understand and <hes> but then but then there may be some of the <hes> meditated <hes> so based on your experiences <hes> well united states is to follow the timeline because we know <hes> u._s. Has justed ploy to the sud in the country. So how feasible of the plan <hes> the deployment of i thought he might you not immediately connected to this recent decision of south korean government to request earlier earlier return or request prompt return <hes> the thought is deployed at some <hes> rural area which which is not part of the requested return of the military dyke that this decision to request return <hes> <hes> trump to return is in my view somewhat motivated by recent development surrounding the south korean government decision not to renew the military information sharing pact with japan and the u._s. reaction which is quite disappointing to south korean government because you as easy to just favor japan <hes> in a one-sided one sided manner. The united states is citing seems that is siding with japan. How will the plan effect of the military a strategy of the united states in the region. <hes> i think the the initial attempts to forge some kind of trilateral information sharing scheme where united the and south korea and japan all all three countries participate and shading formation that some sort of trilateral military alliance that was an idea which was pushed to who south korean government against the wishes of the majority of south korean there was fierce opposition to that kind kind of plan but it was pushed through why south korea was under the president of buchan and buccaneers you i know was impeached and she her presidency was really very humiliating experience without korean but her government full aw reasons which is not very nice to talk about but the government just accepted in a row the blindfold manner the request of u._s. <hes> and that is something which not many koreans of majority of koreans actually never liked it and now the majority of korean <hes> <hes> very happy that the current government moon president moon decided not to renew this <hes> information-sharing pact the japan so beside the japan south korea dispute to winnow the u._s. has been demanding more payments from south korea for offering military three protection. How do people in south korea view the increasing amount of money. They have to pay in order to keep us troops in the soil <hes> yeah well. It's not it's not viewed very favorably of course but this recent decision of fast and government to request prompt to return of military bases is in my view catholic calculated to bring out or emphasize how much now to we the <hes> east actually contributing to the upkeep of u._s. Military in career think about the amount of rent that house career could recover when all these vast areas of land <hes> returned and many of those military bases <hes> actually in a fairly urban area for instance yongsan. He's really at the prime location of city centre october else totaled and the rent if you if you calculate the rent it like astronomy amount of money that south korea ease sacrificing for the sake of u._s. military though by requesting prompt return south korea in my view very effectively keeping emphasize. How much could we actually contributing and if you have is going to demand more money from south korea south korea is going to demand prompt take care of all those military bases. I think that's how holidays calculus look. <hes> withdraw from the intelligence packed joss united united states deepening south korea japan dispute in this contest the u._s. government has decided not to attend the social security dialogue to be held to from the <hes> september four to six. So how do you see an foresee the u._s. and south korea a relationship in the near future <hes> this a solar security dialogue. It is the vice ministerial a conference where fifty or so countries participate <hes> this year i think china or russia japan they didn't participate but the united states actually today announced and that <hes> united nations command and commander u._s. Military forces general abrams <hes> he announced a he would return he would attend the security. I love this time so that the breaking news <hes> which was announced only a couple of hours go so u._s. Initially was not very enthusiastic and u._s. Actually said they would would probably not attend but then as south korea <hes> that this is fiction against u._s. Is seems to be mounting and u._s. Decided to attend facility security dialogue so i think now the the the balance of power between south korea and u._s. These <hes> quite different from previous korean government where south korean in government entirely complied with whatever request you united states made the couldn't moon government aims to make it boys and there is a a bit of you know the kind of redressing the balance going on so i don't. I'm not that worried about us-south korean alliance. It is in my view becoming healthier when south korea makes it voices known to you it as you mentioned. The washington actually has already. I show their attitude. <hes> at two south crafts decision to scrap intelligence sharing was japan. Why decent washington to do more to help south korea resolve in dispute with japan in the first place. That's which actually confuses a lot of people. What's your understanding. <hes> i suppose is u._s. Had elizabeth of difficulty <hes> playing an active role i because united states in my view does not have a deep understanding of the complex peachtree between korea and japan and the snickering it would be extremely difficult for you to maintain a balance and fairly even handed approach if they <hes> to play some more the hands on role so the u._s. maintain some kind of hands off position. I don't blame it and i think it's fairly okay when the tension between japan and south korea mound u._s. stayed more or less. You know a somewhat aloof but what you is did wrong. In my view is when south korea decided not to renew then you started to stay deeply disappointed and all these expression of pleasure what that south koreans don't understand these. Why did you as disney expressed disappointment when japan decided to retaliate alienate south korea in in response to south korean supreme court decision <hes> ordering compensation to be made into south koreans who were dragged to work in japanese companies. It is a supreme court decision. I don't think south korean government can do anything anything about it and it is a legal matter and i think japan should use that as a as an economic retaliation execute so that that's something a little bit complex but i think things will work out and i'm not that worried about <hes> japan south korean engine engine it will all be more or less you know it was so out after a couple of months or after a few months <hes> thanks professor fester keam. Thus came. Tom kim professor of law at korea university. More to calm fears over recession are was against doc the marcus. You're you're listening to row today. We'll be back in a minute. The great effort made by the doll aw today become one of the great platform for policy debates and information dissemination and i wish today have kabaeva bride her greater tomorrow. You've been listening to oh today with mika n._f._l. Fears over recessional once again stock market but many investors are more worried about a deeper in a more structured shifts that that's the road economy is succumbing to a phenomenon dubbed. A japanese fixation japanese vacation is term economic. Ah economists to use to describe the country's nearly thirty year battle against deflation and anemic growth and also these <hes> paroling bond yields lower even as debts burdens balloon experts have long been concerned that europe is facing the same challenges but we're hopeful that the u._s. us crude avoid the fate but was u._s. Inflation stubbornly low and the tax cut a stimulus fading and also the federal reserve a now having cut interest to raise as for the first time seeing the financial crisis people say even america as starting to look a little bit like japane- leo japanese so khuda japanese vacation be spreading globally or could he to be averted for more on these my colleague john earlier talked to ways winsome wall many director of ships group ltd and inner tangun offer and columnist so first of all what is the japanese -cation the country's nearly thirty year ear battle against deflation and anemic growth and counter rise by the extraordinary monetary stimulus but it seems it doesn't work so why is set okay. Let's put it in contact in nineteen seventy three the japanese side of the court and after that if there was a little bit of growth but sauce with about three or four years after that growth became very very low inflation and interest rates and this is despite just extrordinary this'll measures that were taken huge that on the books and basically it's been invested in u._s. Secure sure treasury things like that so they just come kind of as many people say that is a bad policy that was always the situation in the past asked u._s. will bang. Everyone's as japan at school. Today what's wrong with you. We should take bold measures that japan tribe anything anything but they were able to turn the top and they still or situation japan ave came in with three arrows he wasn't able but so far there has been no real big. Positive effect is that they're just kinda. Start these older when it seems that visit jackie the connection is processed is the equivalent of this kind of middle income trap except it's for advanced economy they reach a point where they're unable to stay the kind of lifestyle that they want and hafbro and that's one of the issues and so <hes> winston so what do you think are the main problems of japan's economy and what's the root causes of that. I have to take a step back okay. I'm not entirely convinced about the new terminology media will the academic world created for japan if occasion should. I don't know what exactly you know. Maybe you know something like economically. Our country looks a little bit like japan not high enough growth but <hes> i. I'm skeptical whether you know you will need that kind of high growth really to meet the needs or create the conditions for people to live heavily <hes> i fundamentally you know have some doubts about that notion though while if you compare everybody's using the american as the as the playbook as the that the we will keep growing economy fast debate we will you know have a kind of a certain level of inflation rate devante date. The economy is indeed growing and <hes> you know all of these kind of indicators almost like you poor person into a hospital and major man you compare with somebody you think dante take the normal. Josh weather has the disease the year we're not. I am not entirely convinced on that. I think japan you can't be slower in growing raleigh. It's because it has a negative growth of the population and to me that daniel and he he cannot defy gravity the and we have fewer labor for you. Have fewer people have fewer demand. That's very natural when you go to my personal experiences that i don't see the the kind of problem people are trying to see in japan people. Aren't they need peacefully. They are happy to come out to celebrate to dying into y very busy. People are happy. You don't see huge you know violent kind of turmoil as reported in many parts of this word either north america or your so. I am not quite short at the <hes> why people are so short now. Depending robert and alice have long been concerned that europe is also succumbing to a similar malays of japan. So what's your take. I think ultimately you're might face some same. You know channon jason as the <hes> japan has facing some pretty because fundamentally the demographic komo grumpy would look very similar in japan <hes> aging society aging society and it's there's not only we know there is a net declining of labor and followed by vinet declining off the population itself and when aging you fact he's <hes> <hes> you know smoothed out. I believe that in the long run now you might face the same challenge as they are no longer able to who you know absolved they gration challenges as they did before and they i it creates some kind of you know very violent political reaction actually to their immigration policy so if you look at the birth rate or the fertility rate of the european decide and they are almost destined to go into a patent the you know japan has already you know when i have gone through so based on that one and fundamental driver there which i believe dr everything because the economy is all about creating demand creating you know supply to meets the demands of people we have fewer people. The people have fewer demand and the it's very natural. That's where economies having to so go to me. I think it's very likely that the european doing to follow it and probably the whole word accepted the whole developed. A word will evolve into ooh. That's direction including north america and china in the next <hes> you know decade so i know so do you agree with a winsome wasn't wasn't that europe will face the same problem of japan and also the norse <hes> america and china will also face those problems. What do you think yeah yeah. I think they they are obviously from of the last economic catastrophe. It's just nothing seems to work. I mean there's ten trillion dollars. Were a negative interest boss sitting out there. Most of them are in europe that tells us something there people who are putting money into an instrument that isn't gonna make me all right. It's actually i was gonna lose money and i'm betting that that's a future. That is a very very bad. Ah but let's get back to this where there's one of the problems is that government has been trying to prolong these economic. Ah generally the capitalist system about cyber charter smooth that out the voluntary paul and unfortunately well they can prolong recession. I mean it prolong the economic expansion with happened that is very mimi and then afterwards. You're gonna have just even longer recession. Gorgeous it out because you didn't let the market at least that's what area under kappa system but i would say there's another issue and it really goes is heart of the metric in the old days we used g._d._p. In the country you know 'cause he's six years ago. Ninety percent of everything that if you order that everything in there was probably your country out of it was today with the global supply chain that is no longer true so you have these metrics that people could see us which are out of date and unfortunately you cannot solve the problem unless you buy and you can't find unless you measure and this is a large part of what is going on as we go or the economy has changed but not the way that book at it and how that's winsome wall managing director of shipton group ltd entertain gun author and columnist after the break of french spirits maker to be able to china as the first a whisky distillery. You're listening to wrote today. Stay with us ever worry that you'll miss out on breaking events tune into today hey to get the latest news and analysis on the important stories in china and around the globe today eliminating the news that matters to you. You're listening to row today. Welcome back french spirits. Maker bernard's record has broken ground to butte a whisky distillery in china. The project will cost a one billion or nearly a hundred and forty million u._s. dollars and expected to be completed in two twenty twenty. One the distilleries located near mount a may inkster trump province the french spearing maker appoint a chinese master dealer to be in charge of the production so for more on this joining us in the studio with my colleague ding home so d hoax trump on province is home to some famous chinese leaker spirits including lung year. Why did french spear maker choose t. w. She's factory inkster sean <hes> so what i know is dad. Panetta rijkaard's evaluated more than a dozen nokia a dozen locations across china before making a final decision the company ask local government run has favorable policies but i think in addition to that's one thing we need to keep in mind is dan months. May is a heart tourism destination nation so this is one thing that the french company is looking at. I guess it is planning to set up a tourism center at the factory so in other words. This is not only only about whisky production. It has also about spreading whiskey culture among the chinese population and of course like you said china's they baio production production hub both by join a whiskey our spirits and of course they have to rat competition. I would personally see the setting up of the factory in such as a kind of declaration telling chinese by joe makers that here we are. We are coming. We want to compete with you so based on what you said. He seems per. Nadh rijkaard has high expectations for his distillery in china. A key question is what does china's existing whisky market illu clank so at at the moment whiskey is largely in niche marketing china whiskey accounts for less than two percent of china's overall alcohol consumption market trying to important important billions of dollars of brandy a whiskey every year but the way joe multi as a company alone value to nearly two hundred billion u._s. dollars colors however i would say whiskey consumption is growing quickly panatta recalled saw twenty one percent sales increase in china last year if we compare china's overall wrong imports of wine and a whiskey the whiskey important is only a tiny fraction of the wine imports however if we take a look at the growth rate one imports actually has had a negative growth this year while whisky imports has remained very strong like you said per nar record has the fastest growing business in china but over the long term is there anything that could limit is growth yes so one factor is competition. Other companies also we're. We're aware that represents the new gross momentum in china so they're investing heavily as well last among our grace wing yards which is they shun. She based major chinese winemaker has acquired a company that is doing business in whiskey traits. That's company has a whiskey factory in the fujian province and john louis which is another major winemaker in china is looking to boost its barandy business and we know brandon a whiskey basically half the most direct competition russian and young club which is chinese baio maker is now in partnership was the u._k. Company was a u._k. Company to develop a whisky brand to cater to the chinese consumers so competition will be fierce in the future. Another issue is whether <unk> rijkaard's can successfully localize to better serve chinese consumers. We know chinese chinese people chinese consumers. They're very sophisticated. It's nowadays it is now so easy to cater to them. So one advantage that. I think think this particular french french alcoholic company has is that since the nineteen eighties it has been growing grapes rapes here in china to supply a wine brand for chinese consumers so to some extent it is already. I would say deeply rooted in china. Thanks for joining us in the studio. That's all the time we have for this addition of word today. A quick recap of today's headlines hong kong politicians call for return of autre british taste conservative van piece were guest blocking new d._o. Brexit solves crafty most early hanover of american military base and fears over recession national was against docking demarcus to listen to this episode again or to catch up on previous apsos. Please download our podcast. I'm deanna. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Episode 21: Business Movies

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Episode 21: Business Movies

"Welcome to episode twenty anyone business movies on this episode. Johnny Nettie discussed some of their favorite movies. That revolve around business. Johnny honors to actors. That have passed away recently. Eddie shares is a movie that opened his eyes about the founder of a company. He and Mrs Clegg worked for in the past. We invite you to grab some popcorn and your favorite beverage could see and put up. You're feet because we're talking loses Welcome back I'm Johnny Popcorn and I- medically and were talking movies Eddie before we get started with the greatest portion of the show. I'm GonNa talk about Two people that have left in the last Well first one is in September To actress actress an actress and actor the actress who died on September third the age of seventy seven Carol Linley now. She's probably probably most famous to most movie goers for her role as the singer Ninety Perry in the nineteen seventy two adventure adventure called the Poseidon Adventure where she's Co Star with Gene Hackman Red Buttons Ernest Borgnine and a whole host of other stars. She she did survive that she was the singer on the ship. That capsized for those who don't know the Poseidon Adventure the ship turned upside. Don t the venture is trying to get back to the the actually going back up to the hall to get rescued anyway. She's one of the survivors. She actually sang the song. which is the morning after? But they cut her voice and dubbed it and I believe it was Maureen McGovern. At least I think she's the one that it had the big hit but anyway they dubbed her voice says she never got to sing onscreen. She had a long film career. She started the age of fifteen she had most of her career later on. MTV But she hit the screen in a very controversial film in Nineteen fifty-nine called Blue Denim with brandon dwell. Does most people know as early child actor. He starred in Shane and some others but he played her boyfriend and she was pregnant teenager. It was a controversial film when that came out she later played played a young lady in a similar circumstance at the age of twenty one in auto perimeters the cardinal where she co starred with. Tom Tryon I actually liked the film. It's a little slow at deals with some Catholic issues or some political issues and it takes place in the thirties and there's racism and so on and so forth but that's that's Carol Linley. She died at the age of seventy seven in Los Angeles. She leaves a daughter Joe. The other death is more. Recent isn't October eleven. At the age of seventy eight Robert Forster Robert Forster actually started out. He was an actor obviously but he had some early career moves in TV a couple of series and then he kind of faded he kinda disappeared. Couldn't find any work in Quentin Tarantino. He no kind of rediscovered him. Shall We say put him in movie. Jackie Brown and I didn't have the date on that Anyway what he said he said. I went twenty one month without a job. I had four kids. I took any job I could get near the end. I had no agent no manager. No lawyer no nothing nothing. I was taking whatever fell through the cracks. And that's when he got the job in Jackie Brown which he plays a bail bondsman and he. It was nominated for a best supporting actor. He didn't win but he got nominated and he played more recently he played in. TV's breaking bad bad with Bryan Cranston. So he he had kind of a checkered career. We saw him and Eddie you know him pretty well from playing a general in a more recent movie Olympics has fallen one of our fallen series movies. Right our buddy The Irish secret service agent Gerard Butler so he was in the second one to London has fallen but not as not as promised butting heads with Butler. You're in Olympics. Follow and and just the way back machine. I just took a look. Jackie Brown was nine hundred ninety seven. Nineteen one thousand nine hundred seven. Yeah because he he also played in Mojo and drive which came out around the same time which deals with Los Angeles and some police and so on Was the movie that I thought was going to do better. I think I walked out of my head. I think Nick Nolte might even been at thing but he also was in a reprise of twin peaks on TV. Maybe the old series it was from the nineties was really a classic and they redid reprieves it in two thousand seventeen and had a role in that. But that's Robert Forster dead at the age of seventy eight one one last thing on him so he was a member he was in breaking bad right the the final season last handful episodes he also has one of his last that he filmed before he passed. Its breaking bad movie. Basically basically it's called El El Camino and he actually is in that and it is a sequel of sorts to break in bed follows Jesse not one of the characters. But he's in that as well and that looks like was one of his one of his. Last films is a quote here from Bryan Cranston I'm sad today day. By the news at Robert Forrester has passed away again. This was just recently. This is October eleventh. A lovely man and a consummate actor. I met him on the movie alligator forty years ago. There's a classic even. I'm trying to remember that one and then again on bb. Which of course is breaking bad? I never forgot how all kind and generous he was to a young kid just starting out in Hollywood resident piece Bob Bryan Cranston so he was apparently a pretty cool guy guy to be around and he'd seen some good times bad times than any ETA. Final boost in his career. which was good thing? He once worked as the door to door vacuum cleaner salesman. There you go. They used to do that back then. Right yeah yeah back in the door and the four brush factors old movie called the fuller brush man with Red Skelton from the forties. He's which is a classic and you probably don't remember the fuller brush man but they used to come around and so all the kitchen brushes. And what year was that in the nineteen forties forties with. Red Skelton I remember. Remember that would you'll see it on the late show cancer but it's a it's a car it's a pretty good comedy anyway there we go that's our tribute to a couple of Stars we've lost recently so the question is Eddie where we're going today now Johnny. We're talking business movies. I know the four that I picked. They're kind of like crossed the scale. I mean I've got a businessman basically it's one and it was a comedy one but Oh there's a lot of them there's a ton so like every genre we look at me and we could. We could go on for hours on any of these. I mean exactly. So that's what it is. We're talking business movies. You're right do you want a leadoff. Sure I can let off leadoff. Okay I talk for a while. You give me a wrist here so my first one. I'm just going to go right to. I'M GONNA go two thousand sixteen the founder directed by John. Louis handcock stars Michael Keaton. Nick Offerman the story of Ray KROC salesman who turned two brothers innovative fast food eatery McDonald's donalds into the biggest restaurant business in the world with a combination of ambition persistence. This was the the bad part ruthlessness. yes. I have experienced in my family of managers of McDonalds. Yeah both myself myself. And Mrs Clegg where McDonald's managers at a time one along many many moons ago and and you know I always thought it's ray KROC started but after watching this movie not so much Michael. Keaton is excellent research research the role he he watched What's The Wall Street? One with the with Leonardo decamp of Wall Street and Wall Street. The movie movie watched the ones where they're you know kind of ruthless guys and he does a real good job of being a bad guy. I thought he was terrific. I well we've talked about Michael Keaton. Maybe not so much on air here. But we've talked about Michael Keaton and again. He's he's been recognized more recently for some of the films he's done but I think he's the I like the guy and he's terrific in this. You know who didn't like this film. I Bet Mrs Crock. Well yeah or the the people who are you're running at Upper H. I believe when I looked at the notes. McDonald's wouldn't Assist too much this is. I think that's true actually. To the point is us one of the the things they actually had to build a fake McDonald's in a in a parking lot so the crew was able to utilize the McDonald's restaurant without there being any problems. You mentioned that. There's there's a million McDonald's out there. They had to build one in order to do the movie. Well they they. They weren't exactly putting the proverbial Halo over Ray KROC which may be McDonald's would have preferred. Yeah the McDonalds brothers. There's they had their own thing going. I mean they were Kinda you know guy wants told me that you always stick to fries and Burgers fries burgers when when you know when you have any kind of business you know you concentrate on your biggest sellers and you make sure you own that so they owned the burgers and fries but they were. Both one brother was more for it than the other. But they pushback so much. When when Writ Ray kroc approach them race was a worked for Prince Castle which is shake mature stuff like that and he was somewhat of a vacuum mm salesman? He'd go door to door with a shake machine and try to sell to restaurants but when he was sitting out wading. I believe that's how the scene is. He sitting outweigh either waiting. Even meet with them where he just met with them. Lions were so long and the food was quick He started getting that that idea. So one of the things. It's it's it's funny in the in the movie. Not that's funny but I think is a neat little thing is you know he. He didn't have enough money to own all all the McDonald's but he owned the land that the McDonald's was sitting and that was his little trick to start building the Empire that is McDonald's too little tidbits that kind of go together. You'll find this interesting. Tom Hanks turned on the road. Ray KROC and Michael. Keaton took the part for Philadelphia. Nineteen ninety-three Michael. Keaton turned down the role of Andrew Beckett and hanks took the part eventually winning the Academy Award for best actor and I. I always love how people decide not to take disk that we've talked about some other incidents it's fascinating it's sometimes. Sometimes it works sometimes it. Doesn't I think this was appropriate casting. I think there's a I think there's an there's an edge of nastiness to Keaton a little bit. He he he can move into that realm a little easier than hanks right but I agree and I think that's why it works because the larceny the Larsen is part tired of him. That comes out in this character. I mean he steals a guy's wife in takes I joan KROC away from his wife from that Guy Restaurateur Restaurateur in Minneapolis. Right thing. I mean he was but he was a visionary he was a genius but he was also not so nice so think about it. I mean Tom Hanks right now. He's been doing it for awhile. But he's specializing in playing characters. I mean sully he would've just like Sali. Walt Disney and save Mr Banks look just like Walt Disney and now. I haven't seen any hip of seeing the previews Mister Rogers. He looks Saraga so this probably intrigued him once he read and he found out who ray Crock is. Yeah he's a good guy. I mean at least was ruthless. Let's just say so anyways now. Let's go into the finances a little. The budget for the founder was twenty. Five million. It grossed twenty four million. No I I. I had a feeling thing that we saw it. Actually I saw it on. DVD It was it came to the theatre. We were interested in going in it. It's like it was here today and gone tomorrow same. That's why I think there was some there were some. I don't know for a fact but it would seem to me. There was probably some settled pressure out there. I'm not surprised at McDonalds bought every DVD. That was out there. Well Anyway. Good Film Two Thousand Sixteen. It's very I thought it was a terrific film. Frankly it was well done. It was well done. I say terrific a lot folks when I enjoy something I do and I get enthusiast but I thought he was good. Would I like Michael Keaton. and He's good in this. Good what do you got for. Well I got an Oldie but go deep you know me. I bring up the historical side of things. I'm going back to nineteen in fifty four. A black and white does have sound again. Eddie this film was nominated for many academy. Awards won best supporting actor. There's a couple of others it one and I'll mention it. This is a classic what you would call a big business expose type of film. It's based on a book. It deals with a power struggle when the president of a large corporation dies. And there's a guy by the name of every bullard that's the president He. The company company is Treadway Corporation. But he leaves no instructions as to WHO's to be next in line so the board has having difficulties deciding on this and the entire film which basically takes place in the executive board room is the entire machinations is about developing support for a pretty bright engineer. Played by William Holden against the the guy. Who's really the what is it? He's they call him a rep for him in some of the notes as a corporate shark. It's Fredric March. WHO's the money man who's headed cut corners to kind of keep the company alive and he thinks he's entitled to it? So there's a there's a conflict there's a personal development stories There's some salesman's having an affair with the secretary that classic stuff enough but it's well done. It's as I say it's basically a boardwalk room drama but what makes it work and is directed by Robert Wise. There's a name we brought up did sound music. This movie won An Academy Award for best actress for Info. She's she actually played for those of you out. There don't remember. She was the mother of Moses who found him. She was the Egyptian mother of Moses in the Ten Commandments But she is a good actress. Back in the forties and fifties Robert Wise was recognized for outstanding director but they got an Academy Award for Best Cinematography Best Art Direction and also best costume design black and white because it is black and white film lot of actors in his. I'm not gonNA list the whole cast but It's well done and worth a look and that kind of sets the tone for the kind of movies that follow after this because there's only a few business movies that were made in the fifties gentlemen's agreement for example There's another may be man integrate flannel suit. But it isn't until we get more current. What do you see a flood of these films? Like you said there's a lot of them from the eighties on because with financial situations that have gone on in the last thirty years a Wall Street and so on. I think it's become a more universal topic and people were more interested in business and see it affecting the more than maybe they did. In the the old days you always say so executive suite nineteen fifty four cool. I don't remember it up for my time. Watch the trailer. It's kind of interesting. I looked at the trailer pretty long trailer about three and a half minutes so I revisited it. I mean I've seen the film three or four times on the TC emmer whatever I was I was looking at one of the last ones I'm GonNa do is in the eighties and I would say one of my top ten movies top fifty movies. I guess but I watch the trailer and then I was watching some other trailers in the time and I'm nineteen eighty-seven there are so funny. Just the way the guy comes over and in a world where businesses Blah Blah Blah. Just go back over it. It's like all of them are the same almost exactly the same Compared to now and and of course special effects Oh yeah it was eighty seven was funny. I can't imagine I go to go back to the fifties in the forties. You look at some of those. I mean it's the way they cut it and then the dramatic sequences and the voice raises of the announcer. You know that the voice over now. Oh aw or you get one of the old classic Horror Movies Vincent Price. Things are priceless man little anyway what do you got next. Okay so my next one is going to be the intern the intern two thousand fifteen. This film directed by Nancy Meyers Begat Robbie D. in it Robert Deniro Anne hathaway and Rene Russo a retired seventy year old widower Ben. who was played by? Robert Deniro is bored with retired life. He applies to be a senior internet and online fashion retailer Taylor and gets the position. The founder of the company is drools Austin and hathaway a tireless driven demanding dynamic workaholic then is made her intern earn and this is a nominal role. She doesn't intend to get him work and it just window-dressing basically however ben provides to be quite useful will and more than that a source of support wins them to her business wise in personal. Yeah it's one of those movies where you'd be like Robert De Niro's in this thing but it was pretty funny he doesn't kill anybody and there's no words no swear words I mean he. He plays his old guy that goes in. And you know it's a fashion online business. He's definitely looked sticks out like a sore thumb. I would say especially in the beginning. It's really nice. And then he became her driver ever for a little bit and that's how personally they got involved because he would come in and she had a lot of stress on her. The board was trying to is trying to take the business this away from her saying that she needs to hire a more experienced. CEO She doesn't want to do it and he kind of helped her helper through that and help with the kids and all that kind of stuff so so I think it was. It was a really nice movie it was fun. Here's one thing. This is very interesting at one of the trivial things we said this about the shining. Who Does the shiny who directed it was Stephen King's book? He was by direct. Oh it was Stanley Kubrick. I'm telling you we've been talking about Stephen King. We talked about the shining and Jack. Nicholson and how how how Stephen King didn't like like the movie because Jack Nicholson admitted little campy. Well he made it can't be and he said they made eight it like he was already crazy before he got there and his whole essence of the book was. It's the place that would drive them crazy. He wanted the evil of the place as like. They brought the evil with them. And that's not what he meant and plus at least in my lifetime the Jack Nicholson of my lifetime The older one He he he's a little over the top you know. Yeah so Mansi Meyer. The director of this movie actually approached. Jack Nicholson I. I cannot imagine that movie work. No I don't see how it could have worked chemistry with. I do not see a chemistry with Nicholson Anne hathaway. No this was in line retail l.. Just the just the setting itself that the thing is there is despite all the nasty roles. You've seen Deniro. And I've seen him play. Usually the bad guy or edgy gi guy or a tough guy and all that stuff. He's into Scorsese little twisted in some cases in his early years. But there's a sweetness that comes across across with him in this film a really you know just a nice guy. And he's you get the chemistry. The chemistry works stare. Nicholson I I wouldn't have now when it made sense. No I don't think it would be originally gills who is played by Anne. Hathaway originally reese witherspoon was cast in that role that might have worked might have but I still think ended job. And then here's it was just a little bit Robert Deniro has a daughter. Drina Deniro D. R. E.. I have no idea. Those plays the hotel manager in the movie. I just thought Oh interesting. I didn't know he had a daughter. In the in the Biz nepotism so the budget on this one. We're looking at thirty five million. And it grossed one hundred ninety four million. I see what happens. Yep so I think I'll bet there were some word amount on this one too and I didn't even see it in the theater so I'm not even county. I want to ninety four now the rental who died together I did the same. I so it on the tube but it works I. I liked the film a lot. I've seen it three or four times. Actually so that's the intern. Two Thousand Fifteen right. I'm going to jump ahead here. We're GONNA come. I'm going to be with you a little more more current here. Then we're GonNa go backwards. The big short. I probably should have done this in reverse. But I'm going to do the big short because everybody's pretty familiar with this. I think the circumstances because anybody who's been old enough to experience what happened from from two thousand eight to the present with all the financial gyrations the big short deals with and it's based on a book that was written by Michael Lewis. The Guy who did money ball and also as you said also did the blindside. He's been quite successful in film. Adaptations this is the story of a Wall Street Guru Michael Burry who's played by Christian Bale who realizes that the number of subprime home loans is building a quite a bubbling. There's probably going to be a monstrous default that's GONNA wreck wreck the economy but nobody else either by everything solid. So he bets hedges against the market for over billion billion bucks and His his actions attract other investors and one of them is a banker played by Ryan gosling and other ones a head fund specialists. Who played by Steve Carell? Who is terrific in this? Who really sets out? We've had a brother WHO's committed suicide. which is the backstory? So he's a little bit on a vendetta to get even with anybody mess mess around with the market and does something illegal so they make a fortune they do make a fortune however by taking advantage of the impending collapse. But it's very interesting. How corral says I'm not believing what I'm seeing the standard and poor reports everything statistics? I think the statistics are lying so he goes out how personally with his people to the house. He goes to Florida to talk to people who are paying mortgages and any finds out the people that are paying thank for defaulting on their that. These people were in danger of losing her houses but he has he actually goes to the street to get the real information. And that's what leads him to understand. This baby is going to come down. Meanwhile Christian Bale. WHO's a little bit? Shall we say eccentricity. I think he's autistic but anyway he has Plays Rock music beats drums while he's coming up with all of these ideas and he's fantastic in the role. It's well acted well-directed constricted by Adam. McKay the box office on this ended up. I didn't have the budget. But they took in one hundred thirty three million and a lot of people have. I've seen this. I know on DVD. Because I talked to several people who hadn't seen it and I said you gotta see this film because they're interested in politics and finance after they saw it. They said or several read the book. It's a fantastic story. And it's it's all based on events that people have lived live through so watching this. You're going to grit your teeth if you didn't know enough and you've got hammered in this somehow you're going to say oh my oh my gosh. I saw the movie statistics. Yeah but he did. He didn't trust. He says something wrong with this so they actually said we're going to go see we're going to go to these housing all. These houses are empty these houses and their loans. He said this this. This is the real story. That's that's what I thought was the fascinating part that he questioned standard and Poor's because we find out that they were just rubber-stamping all all this information that the big boys were operating on and the little guy had no idea that this was happening. So that's that's the interesting the the real title title of the book is the Big Short inside the doomsday machine. Which tells you a little bit about the viewpoint take the film and the PUCK? Anyway we had. We had friends who bought a house with you. Know they didn't have the credit that didn't have the down payment and all of a sudden they got nice house and it was on a variable instrument interest rate is interest rate. Yup Yeah which goes around one month bill came. It was four times the amount that they're normal house subpoenaed. I mean that was just terrible times. Well I'm going to two thousand thirteen and the movie is jobs. This movie is based on Steve Jobs. Oh it's not about workers it's not. Oh okay all right. There were two movies made by job. Made about Steve Jobs. This one is the one that has Ashton Kutcher at Steve Steve Jobs which actually he looked just like him. I thought I thought what who played. I played by Michael Michael. Oh Jeez he plays magneto in Oh Michael Bender Fest Bender. Yeah that's what I thought. I liked cooked cooked pitchers pitcher's butcher. I did because he did look like him now. Fast Bender is terrific up but I thought they the story got tweaked. I thought Cooper's what your story was more biographical exactly and the funny thing is is the the other one and I can't remember who the producer director. It's a big time guy. Yeah and he was waiting awhile to do it. It basically just took three snapshots like the day. He announced the day leading leading up to announcing ipod iphone. Or something like where this is more like. Yeah like you said is more historical more background. I don't know how circle accurate it is. It is the different parts of it. There are some things that are a little loose stars Ashton Kutcher d'ormont Moroney. Yeah I like him. He's IT replays. Mike Makola Josh Gad. Who is a funny comedian? He is the voice of the little snowman in frozen Kim again with the he's hilarious. He plays Steve Wozniak. Basically the film falls the story of jobs ascending from college dropout into one of the most revered creative entrepreneurs of the twentieth century so it takes a from Reed College in Nineteen seventy four that he ended up dropping out of very for financial reasons Even though he dropped out he was able to take a couple of courses. The headmaster allowed him to attend a couple. He ended up being a dropout but he did get courses after that. He spent time in India where he was led to India by his use of LSD. It'd be so they went and your mind. So so when he returned while working at Atari Steve Developed the partnership with Steve Wozniak. After was builds the apple. One jobs asks his dad had to let them use the garage for a new company and the rest is basically history. Now we're Kula who played by Dermot. Mulroney he was an angel investor I to recognize the full potential of the Apple. Two which is the the main the beginning computer. The apple one was made was a little bit. It was at that time it was like wow and then apple two is made for production. I guess you'd say he wrote Apple's original business. The marketing plan. He made the original two hundred and fifty thousand dollar investment to launch apple as a company and leverage his personal experience relationships relationships to help build apple into the fortune. Five hundred company that it is he is on the board from the beginning and and when jobs was fired from apple and then when it was going downhill he played it integral part getting jobs to come back right and then the rest of. It's very interesting because as you well know I was living in California to time I remember Atari. I remember commodore computers which are no longer around and when this all started and when apple game about and people were wondering what the heck is an apple as forrest. GUMP set ambassador acid that fruit company or at least but yeah. It's really really interesting times. And it's an amazing story starting out in the garage and with woes and jobs I thought Cuccia though did a great job. I've seen on a couple of movies. He's been in and the one the Guardian with that other guy that we never talk about as areas again house Jevon. You haven't seen in the Guardian. He's very good in that when I. That's the one that opened my eyes. And so when he did the jobs movie I I was opened his interpretation to do it. I thought he did okay so anyway. He has a knack for being the doofus. Kinda comedy guy because of his early stuff. TV show which the dude. Where's my car or whatever but yeah he did a really good job at this spy and showed some you know? Sold the bad side of off at Steve. Also a child that In the beginning he didn't say was his and that caused the problems and stuff. But and then the whole break-up between him and and Wozniak that was terrible. But you know it shows the history and heck. You're on the ipod revolutionized yeah well. Genius Genius is always have interesting side stories because they're on on a different plane and I think the key to jobs was creating something that people didn't even know they wanted or needed. They really wanted but they actually needed. He understood did that. which is an amazing thing to do? Then be able to create that thing that they keep lining up every time. There's another one. And all these companies are trying to emulate. Yeah it's hard to do it. You can't recreate certain things so I only have one trivia this one in the movie while they're Herat jobs parents house the garage they filmed. It was the actual house in the actual garage. That Steve Jobs erupted in the southern. The very cool. I love that love that when he can do that. So on the financial side budget was twelve million gross thirty six tripled right. But it wasn't a big you know I don't. I don't know why people didn't run to see that. I guess they knew they knew the story at figured they knew what I don't know that no interest I I'll I'll tell you something. I'm a huge apple guy. I know that I didn't see this theater so what I did. I did go to the theater and see it. And and I was I was really interested in seeing and I waited and watched it on my iphone. Yeah appropriate all right. I'm GonNa do a quick when here's sneak a little. This is basically you an almost say this is a little film although it has all these stars in it but it has a feel of a little film. It's a it's an interesting film. And it's the movie another more recent one two thousand fifteen the stars Jennifer Lawrence Robert Deniro Bradley Cooper Isabella Rosellini. Diane Ladd Elizabeth Rome and Virginia Madsen Stellar cast the movies joy. And it's a true who story about an Ohio housewife who creates a mop and even though this is the reason I liked this movie. It's somebody with a dream. She's down and out. She's gone through a divorce although her husband is a big supporter but they just can't live together Because they do have children but he's one of her big supporters and and she has this idea with this mop too suffering mop. You keep your hand and you can take it off and you can watch it. It has all these things that make sense for the housewife and yet she's told hold it'll never work. She's told her father she told by her. stepsister started out it up. So against all odds and a cup with the influence of a couple of friends and she has connections and father even gives her some some assistance she goes on QVC. Show where Bradley Cooper. Where is the guy that runs coordinates at network and I chose work I? It doesn't work because she's not being yourself. They got some guy that was going to sell. Well it right like he would know how to mop floor or know what baby what children caused problems. They cause he was tops our but he had no so she gets on desert. Does it herself. The thing goes off the charts but then she's back and forth with the issue with suppliers and she's still getting doubts from other stepsister. Wants a piece of the action just because she's fillings should get. His Family Dynamics her grandmother's a big influence but a grandmother dies during the film. And that is Diane Ladd. The thing is it is. It's a terrific story about the individual who takes an idea and against all odds succeeds and then has to battle with the very people who see this the corporate entities the world who kind of take the dream away. In fact. There's a there's an early telling the story and I won't tell the whole thing Bradley Cooper says when I signed the contract he said friends something like now and even when things happen later. So it's an interesting story. Not The other thing in you and I have talked about this Jennifer Lawrence I the the cast is excellent. Everybody does a great job but Jennifer Lawrence. She's kind of becoming that we've seen as a spy. We've seen her in America. I've seen her the American households sheep. You've seen her in the X men series. She's been in the hunger games. She's played all kinds of roles and she is so believable and she is terrific in this because she's like an average person she's cute then she could be down and out she can be. You can glamour up the movies movies. Joy took in one hundred and one and it was directed by David Russell and if I'm not incorrect he directed American hustle which is the reason he brought these. The same people back in a lot of these people were in that movie. She's been in a couple of movies. Deniro Bradley Cooper Yeah. The other one is also deniro was in. That one wasn't wasn't the playwright The playbook that's right where he he had product that philly she made the miracle mop miracle. That was what it was called. Yeah so that's pretty pretty cool. Yeah she had. It looked exhausting. She had to fight all odds because even she had a problem with one of the manufacturers stealing the idea that was one of the big. Oh yeah so yeah well. She was nominated for best actress in a leading role for this too. So it's not a throwaway away movie but it has a field of small movie networks at what is not overblown. But it's a good story. Okay I'm going to go to my last movie here. I'll try to go through it pretty quickly. It is one of my favorites secret of my success. Nineteen eighty-seven directed by Herbert Ross Stars. Michael J. Fox as Brantley foster and Carlton Whitfield Helen. Slater is Kristie Wells Richard Jordan. who was in hunt further tober that we talked about He plays Howard Prescott. He's the uncle of Brantley and then Margaret. The Grit witten is Vera Prescott. She is the wife of Brantley uncle. And it's is basically you've got talented man. Who has this drive? And he can't get an executive position without rising through the ranks so he starts in the basement in the mail room and comes up with some shortcuts along the way also finds some love. You know all that kind of stuff has to be swindled in there but it it. It's pretty funny. Because he's gotTa stop. Start in the basement in the mail room. That's where his uncle wants them to stay and He wants to be. He's got all these ideas you know. He wants to be a business and some guy gets canned and his office Xanthi so using his position as the mail guy you know he uh he goes to the place where they make the the the name for the door because hey I got this hot one. This guy is big. Shot up in section Blah Blah Blah. He wants wants in that three comes up with the name of Carlton Carlton Whitfield. Is these so now. Most of the executives see him `specially Helen and slater's character a little bit there but anytime at his uncle's involved with it he's got a he disappears. And it's it's this is back can fourth and it's it's pretty cool then you have this mixture with the The aunt He's his uncle asked him to drive her home. She is not getting. I'm very much attention at home. Let's say and she kind of pushes it onto Brantley the her nephew that she doesn't knows her nephew and he doesn't know she's the camps until the uncle coming it's got that little edge in it but overall it's it's pretty cool it's got a lot of business senate but it's a comedy at the but I liked it and the ending is is pretty cool. That's my favorite part of the ending. Well I like I like it again and Michael Fox. This is back when he was really you know. Obviously he wasn't affected by his disease at that time. And as I told you the other day I took a quick look at teen wolf his but you know it was on and I got to watch this part but Michael go back to the back to the future series. I mean he was cool. I mean Michael is an interesting kid when he's an I'd say kid because his youngish looking but he's he's sells it in that. It's been a while since I've seen Senate bill but I liked that movie myself. I got a couple of Trivia that Christie macnichol. She was hot thing back at that time right right. She was originally chosen for the lead actress but she was fired two weeks before filming because of fears. She might be difficult to work with due to her bipolar. Dr Michael J. Fox and Hound Slater's. They're kissing scenes. They had they had to have height. ADJUSTER is because Michael Assoc short and then this one blew me away. It's the original script was about a young man working for his uncle and fallen in love with his uncles balls prostitute. jeez universal executives called in the writer's and said okay got eight weeks rewrite this thing so they changed singed. Christie Mills from being prostitute to another type of person and added in Vera to the mix is to kind of. Yeah it's a different movie. Yeah he's he juggles a lot of stuff in that movie as I recall on the Financial Front and Budget is twelve million and it grows to one hundred eleven. He's movies usually drew an audience. Yeah Yeah So. That's my last. I run well. Let's see if you know what this might be here. I'm going to give you little dialogue here. Hey that's my thing. I know sooners steal thunder. The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed for lack of a better word is good. Greed is right. Greed works works. Greed clarifies cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit greed in all its forms greed for life for money for love. Knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. Who might have said that? The the president in American press it sounds similar to southern railroad. I would say Wall Street. It's Wall St Gordon Gecko yes the sleazy yet successful stockbroker in Wall Street Oliver Stone. Nineteen eighty eighty seven. And we bring this up because I I use that when we talked about something like the executive suite which deals with the what you would say kind of a normal business isn't situation and you've talked about secret success board meetings and so on and then you get to the big short which talks about as I say many people more people are invested. Invested in a lot of people are more invested or at least aware what the market does pay attention the market. And then what happened with the the failure from tooth crash of two thousand eight if I can say that and the various nineteen ninety-two dot com so on and so forth that Wall Street really set the set the tone for the things that came behind and because of the again we have to. I use the term here iconic because Gordon Gecko has been associated. Anybody that sees anything. That's Kinda honest. sleazy about anybody when they talk about a Wall Street insider or somebody of that nature. They all visualize Michael Douglas. For good reason he won the Academy Award for this Bass actor and it's Oliver Stone who understood the market is father was in the stockbroker business. And of course Charlie Sheen is the ambitious guy. I that he takes under his wing and willing to basically do anything to get on the bright side. Right side of of Gordon Gecko and add. It means is giving him insider information and of course. There's this father son clash because Sheen's real father. Martin Sheen is a mechanic for an airline which becomes contentious issue during this this whole thing but there's many basically the Wall Street people if you visualize Gecko it doesn't input Wall Street in a good light. It is still a terrific movie it holds up. Unfortunately if if you haven't seen it there's a movie that followed a few years later. In fact this came out in nineteen eighty seven and Wall Street the sequel which was Money Never Sleeps came out in twenty ten and it begins begins when Michael Douglas who had spent some time in jail for what he did in the first movie. Now now we don't have. We do not have Charlie Sheen but we've got childbirth or Labbaf how we pronounce it. Jake who's dating Michael Douglas's this is father. But Gordon Gecko. Who's dating Michael Douglas's father daughter? Sorry sorry. Reo Repairs Broken relation. He's trying to get this relationship back with his daughter. Jake that's Shah is dating her and he looks looks to go. He wants to view him as a father figure but he learns the hard way that Gecko is still a master manipulator will stop at nothing to achieve his goals. You want to watch him back to back if you have the opportunity. If you haven't seen Wall Street you gotTa Watch it and if you watch Wall Street you ought to watch the second one. Only because I don't think the second one They they kind of had to finish the story. But Douglas is still good is theus consummate. There are a couple of things here I will throw out here. A couple more quotes oats. I don't like losses sport. This is from Wall Street. Nothing ruins my day more than losses first lesson in businesses. Don't get emotional about stock. Doc Cloud Your judgment and I don't throw darts at a board. I bet on sure things read soon. Sue the art of war. Every war is one before the war is ever fought call. Yeah Anyway there you go Wall Street. And the Sequel Wall Street Never Sleeps by the way Wall Street Did get the Academy Award for Michael Douglas as I said I don't have the best Box Office under forty four million the first time the second one. Let's see one hundred and thirty five million. Of course we thirty years later basically bumped plus probably enough. You didn't go see Wall Street at the theater her. But you've rented it and while over the years and then you're like oh here comes. The type of the thing is it's still holds up what I like. A lot of things have changed. Obviously there's much more technology that's that they have their fingertips in the market moves so quickly as we know the money money money never sleeps. I mean we've got world twenty four seven trading around the world. I mean these markets closed was markets were open and everybody is monitoring. What's going on in a political ramifications had happened in the world or words from world leaders where the United States where there's somebody from France or somebody in China? NBA What's going on with Nike and the NBA. These kind of things shakeup geico up the the market so people were more attuned to these kind of films and I think they're more interested in going to see anything based around business now than they were. Let's say back in the fifties. I say thanks were pretty. 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In Perspective,160, Al Hensel and Jalil Mortazavi Discuss Recent Issues Involving the Coronavirus Crisis

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In Perspective,160, Al Hensel and Jalil Mortazavi Discuss Recent Issues Involving the Coronavirus Crisis

"In perspective episode one hundred fifty. One sixty, but that's okay. Hello everybody I am Bob Branko and welcome once. Again to win perspective on this wonderful June evening with me of course is my good friend and Co host Peter. El Peter. Did number on for the third time in a row of which I apologize while Peter it's like this as Billy Joel stated very well back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five. You are only human. Okay so let's go with that. Okay what I WANNA do today is list all the folks who make it possible for in perspective to be aired. I think we should give some credit to everybody one by one today. So. Why don't we do that? Right now. And so what I would like to do is give out many thanks to the following. Sources. A CB radio. See Joy Internet radio. Gateway Radio I tunes Jess Web Solutions. They're the ones who archive our podcasts on my website. Out of sight radio. Rosie's Place Bulletin Boards Fifteen. Tell it to the world. Marketing Services your own pay podcast network. And the Audio Journal here in Massachusetts. They've just joined us to. As far as j solutions go I would like to thank Jacqueline Sylvia for obviously. Making an effort to put our podcast on the website, just go to www. DOT BRANKO EVENTS DOT com. Arrow down until you see in perspective podcasts, click on that. And you will see all of our archives from latest to earliest. Marathi Jackie all right so. We are back with our monthly corona virus panel. It's been a while the last time we met was I believe in early April so before I. Continue with what we're going to discuss. Let me introduce the panel members as we have them right now. We have a L. Hensel. Everybody Hey Bob Peter. and. Jelil more to abby. I Bob Heidegger Hi Al.. HAPPY TO BE INCLUDED WE'RE GLAD? To. Have you all back together again? That's. There's one thing that I would like to start out with actually two. And I want to get this off my chest before we continue. I think looking back. The states are kind of doing it wrong when it comes to. The idea of bringing in folks from other states to quarantine for two weeks. Why couldn't the people who are about to leave their home? States get tested, and then if they're positive, let them quarantine in their home states another words if I'm in one state and I want to travel to your state. Why should I wait to get the your state auditor? For two weeks, when maybe I wasn't supposed to be in your state that long, maybe I made plans to return sooner. Why can't it be possible for me to take a test before I travel? And then if it's positive I- quarantine in my own state. Why should I be your problem? It should be that easy why we all know that the governors are ending that all of these other regulations. You gotTa Watch your hands. physically distance pretty soon. They're going to tell us when we should make love. I mean if they WANNA make up all of these rules which they don't know. Half of them are going to be reinforced, not why not mandate testing for those who are about to leave, and then if you test negative, you get a receipt, you go to the airport with that receipt to prove that you tested negative, and then you're on your way if you test positive. Our own home states will make us quarantine. Never mind somebody else's state. So before I. Get into my second topic. Let me hear reaction about this. I've got one BB first of all. How enforceable is this? I mean perhaps airline travel. Sure you know. Your name could be forwarded from by TSA to the local community in which you know, the airport you land in is at, but how about all the tens of thousands of people that migrate across state lines in their vehicles I mean it to me. It seems almost like a matter of trust you know that. Say. I want to go to New Hampshire, and let's say New Hampshire and I don't know this to be a fact, but let's say they have a quarantine rule in place. They're gonNA probably have to trust. Unless there are cameras literally on every road crossing a state border. The takes a picture of that car. And then what do they do with it? How long does it take them to catch up to you? So I imagine that most of it is largely by a degree of trust, and and I'm only saying that would no knowledge whatsoever of the inner workings of how states might actually. Enforce that also you what? I'll tell you. What Gina Raimondo didn't Rhode Island back in late March early April. When it came to be that New, York was a hot spot and Raimondo wanted to prevent New Yorkers from coming into Rhode Island. She brought out the state police. To go on the highways and look for New York plates again. This should not have to be her responsibility. Let New Yorker stay home and get tested. If they know they're going to leave, let the results be known before they leave. Bob I have answer for you. You have a very good idea, but only been tested outside and I'll tell you what. Couple of months ago. A couple of friends of mine came. Over here from Iran, they were living here. So, they will just have to visit Iran. They said. In the airport international airport in Tehran. Before they leave the country they tested. You know the temperature and all that stuff. And they got a clean bill of health youngins. Now you can go now. They took the flight from Deir Takata. which is another small Persian Gulf country between the Saudi Arabia and Iran. At Todd obvious, the airline has a nonstop flight from Qatar, which is over there to Boston Massachusetts. Is, then be got to the airport. Obviously, they told everybody who's GonNa take. United States fly. They should go in such and such. They packed everybody. He said probably coast of five thousand people on that huge plays in airport. He said they didn't do any testing. They didn't do any distance. And they were worry. These couple were same ages all of us here. And they so so worried that you know. They left Iran all healthy. They may catch it because. Airport is full of people from all over the place. Man They got to Boston and explained to them. Fill the papers from the paper. They left and they give him. A bunch of papers will go home and stay home for a couple of weeks, so they did come home, but they didn't just stay home. They decided to go to the hospital week later having to tested, so they will feel better anyway. They did tested. Thank God. It came negative, so you're right back if they test people before they leave their destination I think there will be much better rather than worry about when you arrived there and they're not gonNA care because this business and. And all you have to prove when you go to. The airport said you were tested. Show the receipt that they gave you at the test site. That? You're negative nine on your way. So I. I. I'd like to turn a quarter since Jalil has started of and and I love to hear your take on what's going on in Iran with the virus, the else and what else you're hearing from from other countries in the area. That's very good question Peter not a man of inquisition, and I'll tell you the have. Similar problem is happening in the United States today because the government of Iran decided to open out everything. But. She almost four weeks ago, people back to work business and all that stuff and they said well maintained. You know same stuff, Chauhan, this. What have you, but many people's care? Ever. We started. Second Wave of krona is in this sounds. Exactly southern part of what she's temperature now at seventy ninety over ninety. There goes your theory about the virus. I know that my. Out The door. Here's in the United State. Florida Arizona, you know they get in the second wave. Is this horrible because they didn't really pay attention to beginning so Iran is now having problem in the southern part of Iran, but not northern part northern part apparently dated very well, they maintained it and so far so good, but the southern part of Iran, which is located near Persian, Gulf. Obviously you are getting like almost several hundred people tested positive every day. I heard a friend of mine. Israel Israel's getting clobbered by the by the virus. I mean just. It's a disaster What do you do about that? How might that if in fact I've impact Iran what in comparison Israel, remember you talking to a tiny country. You're about seven or eight million. And in comparison to all the other country surrounded I. think Israel probably much better for one thing they are small is control, and also they have lots of veal ability over there, and they started very soon so comparison all the other country I think the did very well in the beginning time I hear, they have about Maybe several thousand cases, and but in in terms of the DADS I think we've probably have about four hundred deaths, not that many. So what do you anticipate happening next in Iran? So the south is not going very well north doing better. What do you think might happen next? I think the government trying to threaten people and if they don't. Own SOC as the mob doesn't like this term social. Distance. Descent physical distance, and then the government, going to have to reinforce and keep everybody in closed on the business. So that's what they're threatened a serious than your. It's hard to tell, but right now. Everybody's just looking and wondering you know you know. Where the heck are we going with this? And I have one other question. Maybe alley may be questioned or to to our Bob. My question is how do you think you know? I know that there's a lot of unhappiness with Iran with with the government, especially among younger people. It's what I've read. How do you think this is impacting the dissatisfaction? With the government there, if at all well most government you know when things are going bad like right now, and this might be L. is territory? Everybody blamed these things on Donald. Trump right donald trump didn't do this. Donald Trump couldn't do this balancing. Take it seriously same thing with Iran. They say that the government obviously 'cause. I'm economic reason. They decided to open up the country sooner than. They should have as a result. You're having trouble, but hug an mirror. All Things considered if you are in all countries based on what I read if you are relatively healthy and few maintain. Only. Your. Washing your hand when you're mosque and maintaining the obviously physical distance, you shouldn't be having any trouble at all. Most people in Iran died right by the way most of them, not all the maybe seventy percent. You were ugly and people with some kind of a problem. To be. And thirty percent, all the other agencies involved as well, but her angry majority. Were you know on the older population just like in the United States, right Jay I do have a question and let me back it up with a sort of position to the question. one thing that I've noticed following covert here in the US over the last what four months! Five months. since it began really affecting us what it's, it seems as though as people compile more and more information about what cove a one thousand nine is how it behaves who it affects, et, Cetera it seems like states are gradually beginning to take the line from the medical of spokes, people about all that the factors I just mentioned, and it seems now as though hopefully, some of these People. Who are running around? You know a symptomatic low symptomatic. Picking up and spreading it around especially amongst their friends. One of the one of the narratives that I see emerging is that the government is asking, and it seems to at the state level to Asking people to be more sensitive about vulnerable people as they learn more about you know, how covert attacks immuno-compromised an elderly folks. Is the same sort of thing evolving in Iran as well, our our leaders. Are Media people over in Iran. Kind of telling people. Hey, look you know what if you're young and you're out and about and you think you might not have it, but you're not sure and you been around Peoria. People who you're not sure how to not be respectful of people who could be vulnerable to it. Is that going on in Iran right now? Yes same thing what happened was they? Don't put pretty sampling this country because we have a things compared. Now they said based on what we know most of the people who died in this country. Happens to be either all the Lee or black or some other minority, and the reason is simple because these people were not healthy to begin with. If you are diabetes. Diabetic. And if you are overweight, you have all kind of complication and if you take a bunch of medication as well, these people obviously living based on this medication because they need to. So if they happen to catch this Mirus in going, be able to survive if they. Find out soon enough. Slush they were more densely. Densely packed a lot of poorer folks, too. But any brown, since most everybody comes from the same cultural background, we don't have black Spanish amion. Have Portuguese so I? Mean Iran is basically comes from similar cultures, although for example in the sound, we have some darker skinned people, not necessarily black, but darker skin because close to the Persian Gulf in some air population, you know. In surrounding area trough history, concern to all our the Persian Empire that was obviously it was one time Persian. Empire which Iran today all in probably almost half the world, the net area, so our population is the same thing, however anybody with respiratory problem diabetes over arranged and other complication or heart trouble. If you boy, they are in trouble if they not sending in Iran although we had some younger people and my own nephew, who has a daughter. She's almost. Seventeen years old. He was telling me three months ago. She got sick and you have to take into hospital and she spent a weakened. He, said you touch the bad cold A. Memorial wherever he said later on you find Doug. Maybe that's. Korver nineteen at the time. They didn't so three months ago. And then he talked to a couple of actors of my. And the doctors to look and look all of us one way or the other affected this virus. Trouble is you're strong enough to just get by not noticing it. But if you are weak or if he got mad, virus is in terms of affecting your body. Then we know that was the wires. Says Monterey the other news is another typical thing like a cold, although dishes, just as a different version is much stronger in certain. And one is effected of events by so many I mean Rome yet, but ten thousand people died as a result so far. I WANNA. Throw a question out to the panel in. Peter in J., l.. Any of you can answer this one. What do you think of the notion that people who are dying from other causes are being credited with dying from covid nineteen. I can get a leg up maybe on that I actually. Heard that disgust by a media panel couple of epidemiologists and There is actually Bob some truth to that notion. Because, it's not intentional. It's not. To their knowledge, subversive or insidious in any way, but what seems to be happening when folks are kind of gathering up statistics especially when there's mortality involved. they're counting. Regardless of you know without that much scrutiny. They're counting anybody who has conditions regardless of age that Cetera. If if you have covert. they just they count you as a Cova death, and they don't really sort of plum, whether that was the primary cause or not, so yes, there is there is truth unknown truth to what you speculate on. Peter J. Well I have different a view on that. There were a time and obviously. People. Actually in a Europe. died. From Colbert nineteen, but many doctors wrote on there that certificate that day just simply had a bad case of influence or other complication from cold. Since, they were all exact more than the one reason that I'm hearing as to why patients being credited with passing away from covert nineteen, even though they had something else that caused to away is because hospitals supposedly are receiving money. For every death resulting from covid nineteen. I still can't fathom why that is for sure, but the seems to be a lot out there. That indicates that this is going on. March! Go ahead here. Well No, I was just GonNa say that. Bob and that's true. Because in the funding in the initial cares act and beyond. A certain amount administratively, of money was set aside for covid related deaths and So rather than try to split hairs on the run if you will especially when the there were just we were being bombarded with overloaded hospitals, etc there for a while they just sort of put it into a formularies and and from what I hear you know. They just stay. Yeah, they're going to get funded. I know that my insurance plan blue. Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts has said if you are diagnosed with covert and you need treatment a you will be covered one hundred percent. They kinda come off as the heroes and the whole thing will take care of it, but in reality it's really A. primarily the federal government, and then it might be a little bit of assistance from the insurance carrier as well. either. Yeah on. The funny thing is I think this is partly due with with the new sources. We we we we monitor. Because what I've heard is. In some cases, the death toll being undercounted for a number of reasons that again nothing. Anything devious for example, of, Somebody Die in York City one of the was when somebody died at home, they just didn't have the resources to test looked covid, but they just didn't have a the resources and the time to test such as you know that he's put something, but they didn't ask the actual testing, and that seemed to happen a lot in New York City Yep Is it possible that the debt? If the other things happening as well yeah I can see that extensively happening I and part of the problem. As I. See it is something that is hard to tell you no comp. You know if I have. A heart problem and I get covid die while Kobe doesn't pack the heart. How do you? How do you? How do you? Can I do combine the two percentage was just because of my heart condition. I wasn't very. We strong at the at at that moment and fetish the covid right, and sometimes it's hard to tell you know, and it's not question being devious. It's how do you? How do you make the distinction? So as long Peter. I like the track. You're on because as long as your consistent in how you report just for safety sake. report any case that results in in in mortality as having had cove nineteen, and if you count them all, then, you're probably not going to be. You know anomalous as long as you're consistent report. And the problem is I as I'm as I'm seeing a every states differently. Yeah, I'm hand to Yup. It's absolutely it's absolutely impossible for anybody WHO's trying to make sense of this to make to really come up with a really clear sense of what in the world is going good point. Mighty we'll look at the south right now. But some reason there are spikes in Florida. Texas Arizona Utah California. And other states now I've heard two opposite by the way Missouri Really. I've either to opposite stories as to why this is happening one-storey, his obvious, while lay opened up too quickly now I understand Texas is closing down all the bars again and the reducing restaurant capacity from one hundred percent fifty percent. The other stories that I'm hearing is well. You have more testing. That's why they're more cases more testing while there has already been more testing. Why all of a sudden now with more testing are we seeing more cases? But you gotta point there in terms of the hospital because some of the reports that I have read about the certain hospitals, especially those smaller hospital you know like primary hospital. They would try to even fix the and books in order to get A. Government money, and if the government says while we provide, or we give grants for us, L. Swabia seats feed lots of. Covid nineteen patient and you better believe it those hospitals when fix the paper yet? Or many times they have done it as a horrible horrible story, not so much about this one in the other stuff in the past few notice, but now they have the best opportunity to me. When he was just horrible way to do it, but I wanna get to another issue. This was going to be my second. Loss, forgiving, be interesting I wanNA comment on this as well because this is another example of a withdraws, the nuts, it's either or versus both an thinking. Yeah, so either Orthez easy it either because the testing has gone up or if because we've opened up too soon well, it could easily be both right now. And this is the kind of thing that drives me batty when we have these kinds of conversations. My personal sense is this is more than additional testing, because it's not just the testing. The hospitals are filling up sometimes dangerously quickly. Yeah. That's Peter. That's a great point. I heard an epidemiologist. Say that if you have more testing in, you're getting more cases as the result of getting more testing. You're okay as long as hospital hospital. Hospitalizations don't spike, but the minute they do then. There's a correlation there as well so you're right and and the with remember the reason. We closed down so quickly as we were trying to make it less likely hospitals overwhelmed with patients. That's why that's the main reason that the shutdown place I mean we want. We want to save lives to obviously, but we did. We didn't want to rent situation. The hospitals with just overwhelmed with patients like what happened in Italy maybe other places, too, for all I, know so I and now appears in some places like that that Bob Mention on, and there's there's. Missouri to that that hospitals are just getting our can coming close to being overwhelmed and that's. That's not a good place to be nope. Get to head out no I. was just going to. Make a concluding comment on this subject Bob. There is so little known about the behavior of this thing there. There's so much unprecedent going on here and. That's really what a boils down to is experimentation you know and the other thing. Peter I think this this probably drive you nuts two. One one minute! The epidemiologist, saying one thing and literally the next day they turn one hundred eighty degrees. Like the instance. Where does where whol came out with? Very briefly, and there was one epidemiologist who says. You don't have to wear a mask and then immediately the next day that was refuted by by somebody else, and and on and on as a list of different things that people are trying to figure out a jumping on one thing too soon, and then having to backtrack, and and look at just look at the models I mean. What was it back in early April. They were saying Oh. Yeah. Well, it's looking like maybe sixty to seventy five thousand mortality cases here in the US is going to be a realistic target. Now look at where we are. As of yesterday we're over one hundred twenty five thousand deaths, you know. One other quick thing I'm sorry bombing. No, I haven't forgotten about you. Bother me, yes, but my dad was a was a chemist scientist biochemists, and sometimes they say one thing, and then they you know. Additional data comes out. Tuna that's frustrating for civilians as it you know, but sometimes we have to. We have to all remember that there's so much as you said. There's so much stuff that we simply don't know. You know I think there's some things we all serve have a sense of what sees the case, but you know we have to accept the fact that things that are likely to change and I'm hearing more and more of Surrey's an hour and a cracker about how younger people are getting more and more attacked by this virus and that that's true. That's a good thing it could be mutating. It could be new kidding I'm sorry Bob. Three says that's quite all right. I want to switch ears and talk a little bit about a rally that Donald. Trump attended last Saturday evening in Tulsa Oklahoma. And during this discussion, I do WanNa. Touch on why he's not wearing a mask I. think that's important. But. I- sidetracked. Let me get back to my original point. I heard a quote from Donald Trump who was at the rally. This is not fake news. These were his words. He said and I quote. We should cut down on the testing. Because if we do that, there will be less cases now. The initial reaction that I got from a couple of folks while he was joking. You know what folks Donald. Trump knows who has to deal with the liberal left media. That's his enemy. They're the ones that want to discredit him into. Remove him from office. Okay, whether he's joking or not is irrelevant. You don't stand next. To a roaring firearms. Kerosene on it. Okay if you know who you're dealing with, why run the risk of making any kind of a statement like that whether you're joking or not? Knowing full well that the media is GONNA run with it and think he was serious anyway. I have two reactions to that Al I love your take on this end Jalil to. Is, I don't think president trump cares what with what the mainstream media says his basic Take is he's reaching to his base that that's he's reaching to. Why would is base cared you? WanNa cut down on testing. The because they think because they've been, they've been again. Al I'm. I'm. Ron they've been led to believe by and large. This this is. Not a hoax at least exaggerated. and. So again not all and you know we all ask stuff, but the only thing I want to say about this joke same is. Did you notice what president trump is is likely to do at the end of June he's lucky to cut federal funding for testing so you. If you want to say, this is a joke. I find it hard. To the effect that that's true I don't find that job at all I. Think he's Serious Allah on. Welcome your comments especially about this. Jay Go ahead and then I'll jump in. Okay. I saw. Donald Trump really had a bad week on that day. Because He. Just like you know a whole white. House told everybody that they were million people signed up to convair for is really at least among from that million they had to pick. You know nineteen thousand inside. Several other thousand outside. Mental Talk Stage? He was shot. To see only six thousand people there everywhere is empty and Donald Trump really didn't like that in fact when he came back on the way to Washington. He told his people in the plane. If this happens again I will fire everybody my campaign. He didn't like. That's number two. He was trying to obviously rally his base that because the reason we have so many. Viruses because they've been tested so I told them to slow down on testing later on. They asked him because some people led be joke, and they asked him the very next at nine on joke, not they know the whole country is laughing. And he had to say as early as yesterday I was kidding, but he really wasn't because he's right on that. If you test, you're going to get the result you got it or you don't so if you don't test that, nobody knows you got and Donald Trump right now. You know as. David Brooks sit on the New York time. He said if he's GonNa, keep digging. He's GonNa. Be More hole in fact. Tagging noon, we used to be a speech writer for President Reagan all time. She said it as early as yesterday in Wall Street Journal. He says Donald term nomadic, good or bad. He cannot manage from here on because whenever he does good Orban. ESTILL is going to be bad because so far, things are not managing right. He just say what he wants to say. And later on, you can't change your. Your tune because everybody heard you. You're the president, so that's where the trouble is actually is politics involved with the medical stuff? Then does things mix, but we already know what's going on with the viruses as L. pointed out hundred twenty, five thousand people died from this. You know obviously, but over two million people already recognize that they carry the wires because they've been tested so halls. Would you know who's healthy? Who is not by tested? You have it. They have to test it, so that's where detroiters. Now. Oh boy. So. while. You were talking. I was my wife and I watched the trump rally Saturday. Excitedly I almost wire-to-wire. Couple minutes I snooze maybe for about six or seven. I've heard well. I've Yeah I've heard most of. What president trump has said in other pieces of information but look. Number One. He wants. I think you can easily debunk the notion that he was serious. about wanting testing cutback because. first of all. Donald Trump wants this virus gone in the worst way. Why because he wants his economy humming again that was trump strength, and that there is no reason in fact. Anybody with a brain epidemiologists included will tell you the more you know about how this virus works about who it affects about how it travels. the more you can as trump, says put out the brushfires. Put out the embers. You know when they do pop up so so I. Don't believe for minute number one. The trump was even close to serious when he says when he said Jay. We're all to some extent. We're we're all legally blind I believe you're totally blind, almost totally blind. We all have a keen hearing. Full voice nuances. If you watched what he said in context and how he said it. There was a little bit of a smile to his voice and he was trying to make a point. Where didn't do well at at all one thing Donald Trump. Will probably never do really really well. At is communicating his real thoughts. They always come out. You know incoherently sometimes ore disjointed at other times, or he forgets to bring in the concluding point, and then people just jump all over what they want see. When he's right and and Bob. I. If you and I'll start with that, I I wouldn't have said that if I was the most. Rabid, president for my country and trump is cheerleader. You know he says it those of us who follow him believe it. He's a cheerleader for this country. And when he says, come on, let's cut back on the virus on the testing. He was saying it knowing. An and I don't quite get this because I. saw a follow up interview with him with just mono mono with with another commentator. Who was pro-trump, but but he basically said I said it knowing the fake news is going to jump on it and my my people. No I'm not serious. You know of course I. Want all the testing in the world I take pride in out testing our nearest country. You Know Germany by I don't know twenty whatever it is fifteen, million or whatever it is so. Is the problem L., okay, if I'm running for reelection. The last thing I wanna do is feed the people who are against me. Well first of all. And he doesn't believe in. Donald trump maybe in this. This could be to his detriment November. We'll find out. He doesn't believe in being politically correct he he speaks from the end of his cuff and. I think that could well, that's. There was a problem here though out, here's this glad Donald Trump. He got that stage first of all. He was shocked to see the audience. There wasn't much he was upset by. He didn't want us to. Go ahead and that. Way So let me let me let me. Answer to that point that you mentioned earlier I asked my wife how many people she thought were in the audience, and and she said over half now I don't and there are reasons for it by the way in the White House is digging for a lot of it. There were people. Over half that place was filled over half was filled. What is? At least at least what eight thousand. Two Hundred Thousand. No No. Okay, so all right so. So, Jay, okay, so so his his the part of the story. Your media will never mention okay I'm GONNA. Go to Blazin now his the part that you'll, you'll never hear from your sources, because if you do shame on you for ignoring it all right so here it comes. There are there are numerous documented cases where people coming to the rally, the that there are several reasons. Why do a lot of empty seats? And probably why President Trump was shocked? If indeed really was, there were a lot of people trying to get to the rally, who were literally blocked by protest groups in there lies with threaten. They were told the turnaround. Did. Did you cheer you? On Fox TV point this out. He said that Vod. No, it was a much out there to prevent from coming I mean Fox TV. That's what Donald Trump is. Bread and butter intact argue the case Sunday with the Donald Trump is campaign manager ever. It is one more thing Yup Don Donald trump with a stake this crib in a speech. He would be much better, but he decided to. You know all of a sudden read something then he just morbid around the way that he wants it. That's what the trouble was otherwise speeds. If you would've just. Forget about those you know remarks from that if they do this if they you know how much you spent, what fifteen minutes to just justify the time that he was giving a speech in West Point. That I couldn't pick up the glass of water to drink, and then he was quitting walking the ramp because he was afraid to fall down. He went to like fifteen minutes. There was no need that much explain, and this bitch was giving boring because I know he was doing this because he didn't lie. Ha, a question five being i. that's fine and I respect that. Are you a trump supporter jay? No okay. So of course you're going to be bored by anything. He Says No. No I was bored I. You're saying people are bored. Mean maybe some Lia friends were, but if you weren't then, that's A. He drew you in. If you weren't bored, that's Great. He told a story that I had never heard before. Especially on the mainstream media who we all know has. Didn't even want him there to begin with. You know, but I mean that's a whole different subject Chris Wallace also is a liberal masquerading as a conservative or maybe he tries to pretend to be straight down the middle. Chris Wallace Chris Wallace is not neutral. J. Just be Fox. Let's a lot of different folks on their networking and I'll say this too about Fox. They let that they're pretty. They're probably more open than any single cable news network. That's out there and watch them all the time. I watched little bits and pieces of other networks, and I'd say probably Fox is the most fair and balanced of each individual one besides them, the other thing was. Have you ever heard of a website called TIKTOK? No actually? It but I. don't Care Okay. Some of the liberal commentators also pick that up to their credit. All right TIKTOK is a website I. Don't know much about, but apparently usually handled it well. It can yeah, yeah, it will. It came up tiktok was. Basically took off after covid nineteen picked up, and it has something to do with parents and getting parents getting organized with their kids to promote different activities and learning well, there was a big movement. There were people apparently trolling the website that were saying. Hey, register for these trump tickets and Get accepted and then don't show up. So I heard. That were quite a few of those. Sides you can't me a million people as the you know. White. House said they'd been registered to go I mean right can be that many people. Might be hand, maybe couple of thousand like that, but it can't be all of. I think if you take the aggregate of all of it, you might find it where most of them. But, but look the unless the campaign unless somebody comes up with evidence that that the trump campaign is feeding us all BS and there will never that many people that that were signed up to To go to that rally from what I understand. The thing was sold out. It was registered out not sold because I don't think people had to pay for them, but I'm apparently. The whole place is full I mean. Were they exaggerating when they said a million. Knowing trump the way he bloviate sometime it would've passed if there were only seven or eight hundred thousand. Okay, but but whatever now here's another one. A lot of elderly people signed up and then their children finding out that they were getting ready to go. Talk them into not going I. Don't know what percentage of that, but I imagine there was you know. I have to number of folks. Didn't. Many of the reporters, seven's a dangerous. Courses. No Week so his his where I'm going to support you and anybody else J.. That is prudent. That should trump have just gone for a rally outside filled a quarter or half of the stadium safely with maybe fifteen twenty thousand people. Absolutely. I, mean debt to me would have been enough. That's probably what I would have done. He is taking a huge risk, and now we're finding out of course. B I noticed that you brought out the the the effects of covid of the possible effects of covid on the three weeks worth of protesting that has been going on. That has gotten no play at all. I noticed. You're talking about that. Bob Branko. Being no, yeah, no, you're not I'm being sarcastic so I'm after you two there. My friend and what I'm hearing today is more and more. I'm hearing. A lot of the protesters are wearing masks which I didn't know before. It It certainly didn't and one thing that is inescapable Bob Branko and that is that the media does up until maybe just recently when they started out the protests, where here roic the looters were heroic. Oh, they're not. They're not looting. A CNN is talking about stuff. Going off in the background buildings exploding glass smashing through windows. These are peaceful protests, folks I mean. I saw so and nobody talked about the risks of Covid, nineteen, when you had folks up each other's asses, okay? So my point is, it works both ways. Trump took a big risk. He you know this may be very devastating to him, but it goes right along with the narrative. The narrative is clearly one way including one of our co hosts I. DO WANNA touch on a couple of other things unless Peter has a comment that I want to kind of Segue a little bit into the mask speeder. Yeah. What I would say how I. The one thing I absolutely agree with you on is I. Think the the best way for president trump when the campaign is exactly what he's doing. That, is he? He needs to rally his base. He needs to it. He's not going to be able to. Persuade people like media via people at Duggan Yep. He's GonNa have to really, and and so all those stories he told, and all that stuff for me I find that sort of bizarre. Okay fine, but I'm not his base. He's not talking to me. He's not he doesn't care what I think. Right talking to his base and I think that's exactly what he needs to do. In fact, disrupt write a blog about this He that's exactly what he needs to do. I. Do want to push back a little bit Al because there was some talk of the see about the question of how this would impact the corona virus in those cities, and as of this moment, and of course it's still too soon to tell what I'm hearing. Is that had? No impact, but it could be much worse. Sort of the message I'm getting right. And we'll find out and one they've. I'm learning from all of this getting back to the discussion of the virus. It seems to me that if you're outside. You'd with your even even if you're with a bunch of people. You are safer in that place that if you're inside with a bunch of people, and they might assume packed on how we think about these issues in the future, they just this is gonNA create a model. I think Peter Because if people don't if there isn't a sharp bow. Outbreak, if contract contact tracing doesn't lead back to the trump rally, then maybe it'll set a bit of a a narrative, a safer narrative for for people being able to kind of navigate around in buildings, and because there were a lot of people not wearing masks, which was very disappointed in his well. This'll this is a risk. It's a big big relief from his experience we will. We will, because you WANNA spend forever. Why doesn't Donald Trump wear a mask? Let me, ask another question. I I went to Walmart today. With frame that shopping and east. He told me this is Columbia. Missouri which is tends to be. More left than right, but there are lots of folks Walmart tends to be a place where where people of sort of shop. Getting generalizing, but it's. True about the way he described to me about thirty percent of the people were masks. These laws aren't being enforced I've said it over. I've been beating this drum since the middle of March is, agree there it. It's not a law. It's IT'S A, it's a regulation. Regulation, it's requests. We requested you for for their at the tour. Different regulation you know is is essentially a law but they don't feel I, it's complicated, but the but the, but the bottom line is. This is not a regulation while we massachusetts deregulation okay. I'm GonNa talk during and Missouri thirty percent, thirty percent of people wearing masks. And what's that about so we can talk about both bills. All topics. So? We can go on and on about why Donald. Trump is not wearing a mask that seems to be one of the biggest criticisms I've heard over the past few weeks. He's not wearing a mask and he should. I'll tell you why about. Donald Trump. Is Very much conscious about his image. That's true. Gene Radinsky Nice. That's A. Example. He. Years ago. Men Tucker Carlson. What of CNN right? And Tucker Calls Made Fun of Donald Trump is hair. Okay. Donald Trump that elected? Time is like fifteen years ago. Donald trump her that. And he was so much upset about because he made fun of. Trump is here. He calls him up leaves a message on his answering mission. He said Hey. Talker you make fun of my here. Who Do you think you are You know at the end. Do, you think you are better looking than I am so how come I have the most beautiful girls sleep on their me, then you. Never Bitch taken. Everson that that became good fry very griffin. To tell you this guy has so much with his image. He's afraid that if he resume Muskie may look funny. People might be further and is very especially election time. That's why he preferred not to wear. I literally I think J two. There's a little bit more to it I mean as as. Minutes and I do want to get to one more thing, so he's listened to. I've listened to hundreds of hours of trump I. I happen to be one of these people who think that he's quite entertaining, but there's a little bit more J. I think and I don't know that I don't know trump. But I'll, but I'll speculate this. I think Donald Trump believes look. He's seventy four years old. He's overweight. He's in that high risk category. No question. Yeah, he may have all the protection the world with testing and all this right, but when he gets up there I. Think he really wants to lead by example and I think one of the things he knows. This is GonNa be this is going to be a way of life for a long long time. Even if we do get a vaccine by early mid next year, it's going to be. Be with us, probably for the rest of all of our natural lives, and so he probably feels that he's got to lead by example, and by doing so by getting people to take some risks. Knowing that you know, we can't hide in bubbles you know forever. He doesn't wear a mask so I. Think it's a combination of Vanity Jay. And also knowing that he's you know. He feels that he has to do it. You know by example and one year masks, and one more one more thing in promised bobble Chevelle got to be quick I. They're very very quickly. The other thing is remember. I said the president trump is playing to his base. Isn't care about the rest of us. He's played to his base and for him. You know he's. He said wearing masters week. It's wimpy. You convey that message was based on the basis picked up on it and so. If you get the idea. Maybe we'll. Maybe we'll all die young Peter. Out of the way. Former Congressman John Lewis. And I know he's GonNa. Listen to this podcast and that's okay with me. He was on a local talk show this morning. Encouraging that we all must wear masks and his how he put it. We accepted the fact that we have to buckle our seatbelts. We accepted the fact that after nine eleven, there were different customs airports. So why can't we accept the fact that we all have to wear masks? He's actually comparing. US wearing masks with US wearing seatbelts and facing new customs in airports, first of all I think that there are a little. More of health issues involving masks. Some people can't breathe very well in them. So how can you make a blanket statement congressman about well? You people should understand if they have to wear masks. It's almost like you had to accept wearing seatbelts. This is going to be a way of life, so get used to it. I think he's saying a lot. I agree with that BB I. Think John. Louis A is right about that. This is going to be with us for a long long long. Well. We're going to have to figure all that out. WE THAT'S A. Did you say his former congressman. Yes, I can't understand why he's Domus. DOORBELL KENNEL BOYD THIS TO A. Very nece- Phil I mean look. His point is wearing. Masks are going to be a way of life the way wearing seatbelts and I agree with. J I agree with that, too. It's been. It's no comparison. I have a problem with that though. Because! It's a lot more to wearing a mask putting on. In many ways. In many ways. But we understand why I. I respect the fact that we should wear them, but there's a practical problem with some masks I have a problem. It minute. I have to keep adjusting my nose. My mouth, trying to breathe, it's. Absolutely Nanny Way Gentlemen. It was a pleasure having you guys back. Thanks have a I think the next time we meet. To make a note of this the next time we get together in July. I WANNA spend a lot of time on schools because that's a mess. I think we should address the school situation better. J.. Giulio Mortazavi Out Hansel. Thank you very very much for being with us. Thank spot, appreciate it. Thanks for having thank you. I appreciate it and thanks for joining us and God's fee to all of us, thanks.

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Erika Alexander Schools Us On Rising From Rejection + New Hulu Series: Wu-Tang: An American Saga

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Erika Alexander Schools Us On Rising From Rejection + New Hulu Series: Wu-Tang: An American Saga

"Happy happy morning although this morning this week <hes> swimming is it because we're closing another issue <hes> there's there's that but then it's also back to school for me and have a lot of questions ready for school. I got question okay well before we do it. I'm charlie charlie penn. I'm cory murray and this is yes girl. Welcome back. Is we miss you every week. I know you've been so busy my darling. We've been busy closing another fabulous issue of holes in another fabulous issue. We have our vacation glows. We stand as much as i can dan. It's hard though to come back from vacation and get back to the busy. Even though the work we do is so amazing and fun and exciting a lot of it so we can get a little stress posed vacation because you know you got catch up on your emails. Even though my god can i tell you the first day i was back in office i had at least ten thousand and lion and i posted that on twitter and so many people have responded to me and one person told me i should just select read all and start fresh and i was like oh my god i think i'm gonna do that but you know who notice me being stressed ooh ooh jelly bean jelly bean so she was a camp and she they went to the library and she came back checked checked out a book for you and i was like what is it in the book is called. Don't hate meditate five easy practices to get you through the heart shit and into the good uh all. She knows her. Mom is booked busy. Ings me knows me. She knows that you love what you do but she knows how hard you do it. That's so sweet that she could sense that they did have the book. The book is amazing and i'm gonna talk a little bit about that later. But who is our guest this week out this week. I feel like we had some therapy with this woman. We had a whole crying eyeing laughing hugging. I didn't want her to leave. I didn't want her leave. We're talking about eric alexander yano her as maxine shaw from living single yano her as a cop and get out okay who did not believe that it's wanda sykes what it was so fun. She's on black lightning lightning right. Now we were talking to her is because she is on wu tang an american saga again. Go back to saga saga. Y'all help it'll be out here. I don't know i'm southern guys. I'm sorry you say it. How you want to say but i'm gonna tell ya this. This routine series is on who is good so good <music>. Good erica plays risi's mom the back story here. I didn't know i mean i've always liked platoon but to know the drama how they start air from staten island just what they were individually going through was amazing. Yes we say thank when you say i'm sorry this guy last night. A tiffany tiffany producer meter had a moment in the hallway because he was trying never mind me of that ice cream song still make loans. I was like it was a moment. It was in the new york metro. Yes we were out in. They were selling the shirts. It's on the streets because remember the shirts guys in the video. All the different women they were. They were really paying tribute to every shade of brown. Yes okay and it was beautiful. They have a care mouse sunday the chocolate alexa butter pecan rican and they all had a cute little custom shirt with the wu tang stein on it and the colors were red and blue. It was everything y'all check our instagram graham because apparently the wu tang is creek is supposed to come by our office. I can't wait and wait for. I'm really excited by the time y'all here. This happened okay and back to school. This is like at that time of year. I you know i don't have a little humans yet met. You had a little furry for room for baby but i know this is that time of year like all my besties shadow thuan john and lorraine with the kids they're in full like staples costco target all the play wayne paco macy j._c. penney's tar. You know like walk the thing all you find the weirdest places that sell school supplies and i will go to them. You gotta get close to right because these kids need. Look the close. The shoot hairs ears. You know jillian has been stressing me about love her though <hes> the lunch bag as we've been on justice website target website when we were in haiti eighty we went to the grocery store there. They had their back to school she was. Can we get this. I said i'm not buying lunch box and hating back. We just wait till we get back in the states so is it is this age where they really start caring about like the shoes the accessories accessory. She's really concerned about her. Look like could know what it will be. Well those braids girl. She going to be ready for the one thing. I've been letting her live. Hello collaborate but one thing i've decided to do <hes> i was sharing with you. I'm not a big online online shopper. I've never been but this year. I've discovered that you could send your school supplies directly to the school. How would that targeting is targeting. I believe also amazon and its reign of the school so they have to school list that you need for your class and what is really good for because you may not know this but schools nate they need like it's not just about paper anymore. They need like paper towels. They need hand sanitizer. They need baggies usually wipes. Oh you getting supplies. They give you a list okay. So what's the school buying lesson. I'm like what with school buying. I dunno to education because i'm going to change too as you name. These things things that paper towels are naji first of all okay and everything but we live in new york's carry. This shit on the you have to online thing is up so so this p._s._a. For mom this is a p._s._a. From ma i apparently i'm a little late to it so this year no. I'm gonna just whole on order that stuff senate right to her school today. Look at you with the mommy hat. Ah yes. I want to hear more but you know what i wanna know moms. What other hacks are you guys doing because i need to know because i'd be struggling. I need busy moms busy max yes. Please tell me tell me over in the love department. You got some news crawl. Caspian gone ahead and got engaged komo kathy alex fine. I am moving on. I am so they're calling it. Her relationship blow up on twitter. That's cute and i'm just we're. You're really happy for cassie. We knew she was pregnant. She also debuted her growing baby bomb which means she's a lot further more further along than i thought because she popping on benches glorious but she got engaged belly all it was so cute the sunset photo on instagram getting all the likes i love the love we're really happy for cassie and and i think people are like you know this is her true happily ever after because you know the reliable can we be speed rail for a lot of people who didn't think she would ever break out with diddy or or that they would end whatever together very long time yeah they thought maybe that was just what it was going to be even though she had been outspoken about wanting to get married and have a family gene so she's getting her happily ever after and we're all just really happy for her and you know what i love to not for nothing that diddy has been supportive levitt and congratulating her her and telling her you know you're beautiful. Go do you girl. I mean those exact words but i actually can. We just say. I really love when access do that. I think if you you can you really wanna be friendly exit. Yes i know it's hard but nothing helps you move on more. I think the not having to deal with the baggage and the drama yeah for on your actually having avoid each other you know because you have shared friends shared spots. If you like that barn he got both go to that bar and you got to be able to give each other the nine and i'm serious. I think it's important especially when kids are involved but when they're not. I think it's important to try to just be at least cordial with your yep no onsite f us no no no. I remember i mean it's a little bit differently but i remember reading about regina king along time ago saying that her and her ex husband had to really come together yes in figure out how to parent their kid with hate each other because we'd sit on opposite sides of the football field and she said they had to come together and realize it was for the best of the kid did that. They came together and befriends. Natori naughton are some power haven totally boo. I actually worked with her for the current issue september issue which she's on stands to really sit down with her and create this beautiful open letter from her to her fans and that basically what she's talking all about corey she's talks about how she's no longer with her daughter's father but they are co parenting and actively working on co-parenting by even going to counseling together and she really talks about the growth that she he had to have to understand that her happily ever after may not have happened the way she wanted it like she didn't imagine that they wouldn't get married and be together but now that that's happened. She is like what but i am going to imagine a world where zuri darter can have her father and her mother and they can be in each other's lives and she goes in. It's a beautiful three page letter. It's in the september issue. You and those ladders talk about glowing. She looked so funny and she and you know why she's glowing corey. She is glowing because she is happy with her now okay. She's not trying a hashtag. All the pain. Okay can be available before i go to eddie. She's happy withered good so korea you know i stand for robin thieves and she's been on the show. I mean she's so. I just think robin tedious funniest how i've been getting me eh. She is fucking awesome. She really as and when you meet her. She's awesome her whole violent. I always commenting her stuff. I stand for black lady sketch show and it's the finale. Is this weekend girl like. I renew go a second season. Go in and the whole cast you. Ladies are phenomenal. No we gotta get back on quinta on like we gotta get these aerial din. Every outcome on these ladies are so funny and it's a it's. I've seen a lot of people on twitter say oh well. Some people don't but what i will say is. That's always humor exactly there. It's four yard isn't it. I'm laughing first of all what starring alive has been on forward going into his forty five years every sketches funny exactly but what's been your favorite because i have mine okay this sketch with patti labelle coming every time she gets zone ashley every time she gets dumped taylor and her background singer show up to sing on my own. I was a remain on my couch screaming because that is used to be my breakup up song and i think that's the way i think that's what they're going for because black women who and patty was like you know what you gotta do to make me go away you gotta sing along and be okay and and then when she was like okay you can go now to the guy 'cause when this gets tight and she was like it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. I was like what's going to happen. Patti labelle appearing come on that was my favorite one was so minus china split. I love the merry couple and robin plays the guy who can never say yes. Oh at the wedding and there was a wedding but then also but on the plane when yvonne ordeal ordeal the flight attendant is you sit in a row and you got to you got. I need a verbal. Yes for civil for for so i will move to the back of the plane and quinta plane the hook girl. That's what you mean what and then my other one is the monster at for the <hes> rehabbed gang gang bangers angers and they're all in pain yeah oh my garage garage. That's when i realized how genius gabriel dennis's like shot her because she can do. She used bladder clip from california. She was hilarious. I'll wait one more shot now. The the episode this get where robin thirty died because she came to work on time because she didn't do her makeup and she look at every time guy real tight and her. She looked more dead. She had the veins. You're the i._v. Bag clear because i really got that yes yes you don't understand. I'll never forget my and my grandmother used to always say you die. If you get to work on time that's what she did anyway. Shout out to a black lady sketch show y'all you. You guys are doing great work. It's the larry's congratulates into and speaking of hilarious erica was funny. We laugh grow cried. We hugged. I love her. I love her show. I i need to say this before we start john black women. I've seen say that they went to law school because of erica because of her character yeah maxine shaw and seeing maxine shaw <hes> be a bad ass attorney lingo. I know the part of why. I want to be magazine. Journalists was because the flavor and character on the show like i you know i really it's like you you could easily we saw this. We wanted and i was young but i i saw that. That was something i could have and i could be like i have my own magazine wrench <hes> uh-huh and we saw that with maxine so just shuts the whole cast it maxine when we went in you ready corey. I'm ready each dish. The living single loved you on the cosby show. Oh i love you on american saga seconds corey on it as gallo corey who is here we jumped right to but there's a icon on icon living legends who did with eric alexander. How all right bat was you know. That's that's. That's the best next introduction that's what we do. Love it. I love it and mrs asthma and the track girl magic headquarters usually now over forty tv roles accurate. I used to account. I'm talking about my age. I said yes. I am over forty okay. Hey that was surprising it could be. I wouldn't be surprised. I love that you don't count no alexa. I wouldn't have a clue feels about image awards. That's right all right. You nominated six times nominated six times seats rec- recipe. You played not one but two iconic characters on t._v. To we still talk to this day shaw. What's the other. What is all the charlton heston. Show what you're right. You're right you a little bit but okay shoved out when people see you. Which role do they refer. It was always just maxine. No osman cousin pan in on where i am cousin pay but that's an iconic show so anything that came on it is is considered to be very beloved you are that was a part of history. No it sure was that i grant you okay. We're going to have fun with you. Where do we start corey. Can we just get right to boot saying. I'm a fan. I'm sorry and we'll come back and then we'll come back. I love excited for yeah. Is it all one director or is it going to be no. It's not so all right so his mom. I'm play raises. Mom linda linda digs linda digs is the mother of the woo. Yeah you go. Rizza is one of the producers and the writers. He's doing with his writing producer. Sir friend alex say <hes> they worked together before and also brian grazer of imagine tv films <hes> so he i just met him. I'm never met him before always liked his films officer. Method man is a big deal but in the wu tang there you go so what it is. Is they filmed. This series agrees in staten island. We did over the winter. There's ten episodes <hes> september fourth. We're going to debut. There's an amazing uncast. Ashton sanders is rizza. He headlines it. <hes> i play his mother. Linda digs divine diggs is his brother played by elijah martinez. Who did the broadway show network the whole time we were on. It did double duty on it. <hes> we also have zoli griggs who plays my daughter's. He's fantastic. Everybody should go and friend zoli. She's gorgeous little thing and she's <hes> plays a cherie digs and then we have this young man name <hes> <hes> he plays randy digs and he's played by justice davis and then of course we have sadique saunderson playing ghost face killer in east who's playing method good man and mark is calendar. Who's playing power. We have an amazing cast and people from the sopranos vinson story. Big pussy is playing my boss yeah because i play a waitress. He's getting better and so this is all filmed staten island. They wanted to film because they love staten island but they wanted to make sure that revenue stream came back to the place that is supported them. I really admire that about them. Not only to staten island. Give them a street wu tang street. They gave him a district shaolin district so they also the love love thing and <hes> so that's where we that's where we were for five and a half months. Cornell was just talking about how we learned about shaolin from mouton case. I didn't know i didn't know about it. He a whole absolutely century long thing. They were borrowing it from your legit. Yes chinese and he's acting it doing so you know it wasn't yes. This is so exciting. Well you know what i think that that's what we're thinking that the weird thing but the fun thing about african-americans working americans set we make up our past and our future and our present from all sorts of mythologies. We don't have to even if we we have nigerian blood or whatever we're doing now our d._n._a. The things in the people that we made of ourselves now is out of whole cloth. We're just like authors of our oh in life. It's what makes sense that especially inside of the hip hop world. They even created names for the self. Dana owens is queen latifah. That means something to her. Osei jackson is ice queue. You know he had to create a mythology around ourselves and only did they create that around themselves. Like rizza is rizza with method man bob blah all had several different names o d b you know dirty bastard three very several but they've also created the whole mythology of where they came from the y. of mathematics of the five percenters and all of that and so i think that that goes to also us being in the diaspora sarah being lost and that <hes> it's like a parliament funke delic. They changed the game of how they are seen in. You know what i mean. I think we're the the original cause players. Oh there's something you <hes> you brought up on <hes> on the nod which i love and if you talk about it some continue to talk about it because when you went into pitch concrete park your groundbreaking graphic novel series has winning awards but they tried to tell you that black people don't see themselves in the future yeah time you say that it hurts me but it was just stupid. It was so stupid yes so we were going around trying to at the end of the nineties and into the early two thousands sub setup a science fiction series and at the time it was married to my creative partner. We're not together anymore but tony per year. Tony per year is significant because he's the first african african american to write a movie that meet over one hundred dollars and <hes> so he had some cachet in the world and we took a long time for us to get this meeting but this particular president of this studio that made genre films and films with people of color. That's the thing this pool that we were swimming in. We we started pitch and tony who's backgrounds advertising. He worked at j. walter thompson and that type of thing but he hadn't drawn illustrated comics he had made up some things so visually they could see the type of people in the world that we would be in and we are very proud of these visuals and they had done this up very well up until this point had gone into this room and as we start to pitch it the president and of this big studio says let me stop you right there. He says black people don't like science fiction because they don't see themselves in the future and then he tells us a story because this all comes because because he's had this experience of having made this movie and it was a science fiction film and it was just tell you starring natasha interested interest in ice cube you figure out who the studio person is gone now and they had a focus test and they had a group of people come in and they all left except for this young black man he he said kept looking at the screen and wouldn't leave and when they came to ask him sir. Do you have any questions do anything to say and he said yeah. I i just want to know how to get to mars now. Obviously this manning told the story several times over over again and no one probably had challenged all if so very little very little pushback so he had created this whole sort of <hes> examination yeah in tony oni said he said let me stop you right there. He said a black people. The past is painful the present precarious but the futures free you say we always create in the future because you took our past we you don't have at present. The future is the only thing that we have that you know we are the aliens that you took from across the the the <hes> ocean rock your world to make your planet's twirl and then he started tell him by the way you may not know about octavia butler and samuel delaney and at the time he said enough for nothing will smith is the number one science fiction star world yeah that made this guy mad but yes we have that experience. That really did happen. That's an exact quote and always said after we got out of there we laugh f- because we were so down we thought what we do and <hes> tony said f. it i'll draw and he taught himself after fifty to illustrate comics and so <hes> concrete cree park is what came out of it and if you take a look and i wrote he illustrated those every single thing you see from the front page to you know the cover. Everything is what we had to do to create this proof of concept and to step over this man's predisposition to put us again wants us us box the world that he created the culture that he lived in is black culture yet the nerve to tell us the futurist in his his world that he created jazz and hip hop and rock and roll than we were incapable of seeing the future so we just decided future and that's concrete part and that's what happened and i always say that i would write a book how this got to mars to him. If it ever got paid so i got to better get on it. Oh my god i wanna i wanna read that and everything that's the memoir. That's everything please give it to be bold silly what you you encounter but black people but you know i wanna know you are classy. Phenomenal woman and i know you didn't really say or do your work. I know you didn't really say or do what you were thinking that moment. You know that blackout black woman moment where we have to gather is those and you have that internal monologue and you say what you really want to say when that happens happens in your head but then you pull it together because it may not be the right way the right place at the right time. What was what you said in your. I'll tell you the truth is it was i was. I actually didn't know what to say that moment. The reason is is as i didn't expect that moment we always know what to say. After those moments you know black people for good for sort of absorbing and then after we get out and i told him this we that's that's also the frustration of what beamed being black people ask. Why do we do so much bad talking afterwards because we really can't often do the thing that we want to do in the moment. We're supposed to do them but the reason i didn't do that is because i had never been in that position. Usually i'm the person who's being auditioned and that person is sitting on a table and i go thank you and i leave tony had been in those positions a lot more so he said it and it sort of happened so quickly in fact after that we started to show them a little bit of our world and he started to push things around around this president and sort of be really dismissive and tony said well now you call him. My baby ugly said erica commoditised go. We're done and we were walking out and we were in the atrium. If this big building feeling gobsmacked because we were insulted but we also hurt. We'd worked really hard to get to that meeting. You don't just get to be african african american to write a movie that made over one hundred dollars with swanson nigger or me with spend my whole life by that time in entertainment and what is wanting to present well to sort sort of be dismissed like we're nothing and we're not only that he'd made two mistakes at day not only did he tell us that we can see ourselves in the future. He thought we were making that the thing only for black people that's an insult absolutely so we didn't know what to say that and what our answer was was concrete park the graphic novel. That's the baddest thing that we had to say and i wish i could say i was more bad ass now. Now i know what to say. Were grown up and you know that's. That's a decade in almost two decades after this happened but then it speechless. I bet you know what i noticed. <hes> in listening to you talk before i know you've been very open about us in addition to that conversation that day but you also were told at one point career. No one can get excited about you. Oh yeah that with an agent found out you weren't paid enough or paid the same as your co stars on the route spin off but i something i personally really the my life when i've had really horrible moments in my career when i look back on it like you on an older that was such a growing experience so can you talk to us about each of those things and how you grew from it and how they inform you who you are today. Nobody likes to be rejected. The incident you're talking about is is that i was saying that i got dropped <hes> and unceremoniously by my agent at around eight thirty seven thirty eight now. These are in your prime earning years because no one was really now. They're making organisers marseille martin. There's yar saheed e. There's you know but they weren't. If you were young you weren't getting anything. If you were young ish there were very few things because the girlfriend of say wesley snipes or that type of thing you need it to beat adult like on yeah <hes> to <hes> be taken seriously because those are the rosa may d._a.'s lawyers that that type of thing authority figures yeah so you come into your authority about thirty eight because again as black women. We always look younger than our age. I've been playing younger younger than my age for very long time. Including cousin pam i was nine thousand nine hundred and fifteen and you know i was lawyer. Denied gone to college that type type of thing so here i am maybe i'm be able to compete with those women over there. Who you know regina taylor all these really bad ass actresses and then they they drop you dropped from a mid range boutique you see the only place to go is some place smaller and much more. Maybe the <hes> curated but i'm not going to be taken up by the big guys 'cause they've already dismissed me. No one wants to be rejected. It's like saying that everything you did the two in double a._c._p. Awards the all the great reviews you got the royal shakespeare theater on the road the year and a half with the warriors shakespeare theater six plays at the public theater <hes> the fact you can do comedy and drama the fact that you show up on time there is no story about about you not show showing up drunk or not knowing your lines or not being half prepared mitt nothing they literally set in that room with those agents and said who's interested in no i don't know i guess we'll have to drop performer roster like nothing. Wow now there was. Nobody there advocating for you yeah. We weren't in the role. No i can't even sorry understand completely took. I'm sorry but you have to resell yeah and he'll i i imagine right because it is still yeah. That doesn't wear off a home to jack shen. That's not the point you use a rejection and you get it but you hope your representatives know who you are the value and the fact that just around the corner that next gig me kick you up into a gear that brings them the payoff they're looking for because it is a money game and you can't just go on a good reviews and you are competing in a pool of very good actresses who get good reviews all the time. Maybe they haven't gone been in royal. You know been been a peter brook play or you know done. Joseph papp's last play. I have a resume that is almost unprecedented in terms of its breath wrath and who and how cosby show and all that but if it means nothing and that's the thing you've done your whole life. What are you supposed to do awesome. You know it brings to bear like what am i. I think a calling your purpose yeah 'cause it into question. Exactly in at that point i had been writing so i started to take the fact that i needed to be a creator much more seriously i needed to discipline myself and focus my attention on things that were beyond a phone call or somebody who so-called represented me who was supposed to work for me by the way they fired me know supposed to be able to fire them but that's not the way it happened so maybe because i wasn't it would blindsided mean. It never occurred to me that my the thing that i thought i was the most gifted at. I don't have a college degree i don't have this was no longer valuable in their space that maybe that's what frightened me. That's that's the truth. I get that you face a fear that you are never enough and guess what you're not enough but then you know you get into agent and i think michael green michael greene it was a person who picked up chadwick bozeman wanted to represent him and now he's black panther. I'm there with him and tessa thompson. Here's a jewish man who made a way eight to say no. I'm going to represent these black people and he has a great beautiful stable of artists there of what he calls artists still still we're outside no chadwick made his way with doing bayat biographies and that helped him get leverage into other parts but for the most part if you you were outside of the big agencies that whole the way they package names you were not going to get those roles anyway so when people say why didn't you get those roles i said because i gave them to the person that was already in that agency yeah yeah you know so of those people were an agency. They got those roles. They didn't even go out to anybody else and that was inherent prejudice racism awesome in bias built into the agency system and that's what they're fighting now and that's why they have the writers. We know who all fired their agents. That's what's going on is because of the packaging fees but it also ops <hes> stood as a way as a barrier that if you weren't inside those agencies you were not getting those roles girl. You're strang authenticity everything that's radiating bat top. Can we just go back to erica growing up where does bat. Ah no. I have to because that doesn't just you know that you evolve planted that blossoms like even despite the sponsor billy early everything sharing right now that's so there's so much strengthen what you're saying and what you've been through and you can share this with us and still be open to cry about it. You know a lot of women. Aren't there yet well you know. You're you know here's the thing i mean black women we can cry every day at the inheritance justice of being a black woman and being seen as a person who's angry so being seen as the person who's a villain <hes> the thing that makes you the strongest way you look at the personal way you directly approach person being off putting to people so you have to put it. Pull it down all the time. I mean it's it's it's it's exhausting. I'm i'm glad to be here but i stand on the shoulders like we all do of not only chien's but people who were like you. I haven't earned the right eight to give up. You know if that's the worst they can do me. Fannie lou hamer would say what you got. Girls get up you know they're they faced horrible things. They did horrible things to them and yet we have at a baker and we have <hes> <hes> <hes> all these people to look back and not just look back but to fuel us. You know we have oprah. Hilbert can show us the way and it's a different type of background that she might have and for people who were raising arizona who may have had something. That's a little bit more like mine. They'll be like hey. I heard in erica story something for me but i think we we all here together. Is it's not just a sisterhood. It's a it's a humanness. I call us the moral majority black women. We always vote for the village <hes> we will say this earth in this planet. I promise you everybody else is messing around and we always look past and we're pragmatic. Were practical. We don't play games in job and if we do when it comes down to go no i was just kidding in china we need to do you know yes and that is what it takes so i'm not gonna sit there and even say sure i'm her because i'm an actress. Things wounded enjoy deeply. My whole goal is to be affected by things and not shut myself down. I'd like to pretend that it doesn't hurt but it does but past all that my goal and my mission and the reason i'm here. My purpose is to go forward. No matter what because that's what's bred in us is not to play at the athletes and be bob blah. It's to be resilient. It's to be divine now one way. I know you've taken that <hes>. I love i call it the fuck it philosophy that you talked about on the ny so you just said that you you got to a point your career. You like fucking. I'm never gonna let anyone else. Tell me where i can go what i can do in my career and i want curious to know is that would form due to forty two cre- color farm <hes> i've always wanted to create a company and i had a company called cimarron entertainment <hes> i had it and i used the money that i got from living single to funded and then minute living stop. I didn't have the money at let people go and kept moving. I had no idea how to do a a company. You know are the closest thing. I saw a company that i understood was company was essence and jet magazine because it came in and we could i could. Let's see so in a way. I thought that's the case and then of course we had forty acres an immu- and that was a production company. We could see that and then we had harpo. You know what i mean. Those were like correal companies at that thought wow they built something and there it is. I thought i could do the same thing but the fuck it mentality. I think i was on the fact that when you're so down down and you think that people say aren't you to see that system inc. Jobs and not gonna give you this. I'm like giving jobs anyway then it'd be so it is what it is you know yeah. I'm gonna keep it moving. I don't think that's the reason i'm not getting jobs because i'm outspoken. Nobody cares what i say. Nobody is even listening to what i say and a few people that are they agree with me so i don't know what you're talking about and so i think over time are again. I just it just focus your mind and says what are you. I don't have children. My marriage is over but we still have the creative partnership and and color far media was my way to start to address some of the systemic infrastructure things that no longer needed to hold because they didn't hold power our anymore. I mean you're generation has the youtube and all these other things so i thought inside of that i could be someplace somebody new so we we call ourselves. The <hes> the motown film television and tech. We want to create a bridge from the street to the mainstream because we thought the street was the mainstream and that no longer so that pipeline that was so valuable be offset in putting some sort of marginalized position how we do that. We're still figuring it out. We're making collaborations with different types of creators <hes>. We've been talked essence. We've talked. We'll talk to anybody and everybody but we're also you know <hes> producing the john louis documentary. Tom porter is our director on that c._n._n. That's going to be like <hes> <hes> r._p._g. That'll come out. We're producing a documentary commentary on reparations. We're embedded with h._r. Forty with sheila jackson-lee office. I was hillary. Clinton's most traveled surrogate so i went for ten years around everywhere. She even sent me to africa and to this day. I'm an advocate and activist for women and children. That's my go in tribute not only to her but to my mother the people who raised me my mother my mother-in-law and all the great women who i feel have embedded in me. A sense of you must give yourself over to the people who are most boehner when i believe that there are girls in sorry women and children yeah so that's what i do in color farm media. I hope we'll give me not not only <hes> standing in there but leverage but also be successful. You're nobody in this world if you're not successful in somehow monetarily. I've got to pull this off but as we do that. I'm doing a movie. The boys choir of harlem <unk> brian tyree henry is attached. He's from harlem. He's great <hes> <hes>. We're doing a documentary about <hes> keri hilson. She's making in her way back from a deep depression. Having given up <hes> she thought a year and it turned into an eight year hiatus hiatus and she's coming back from that and and also going around with really great <hes> collaborations and we think that you know once people look towards years. They'll say god. We'll see what i did with my my time other than that. I'm still an actress and that's why the hulu thing matters. I'm glad to do this role. This is a fun role but it's also a significant role. I i said i'm not usually a mother certainly of grown adults <hes> sometime we doing our scenes. I have to back off a little bit because they say it looks like love scenes. I don't wanna look like i'm doing my own child. I make sure my hands up high. You know stuff like that you know but <hes> i'm grateful and and i'm really happy to be in the space that i'm in. It's the fucking space but it's also the creative space <hes> one more nerdy question when you got the script forget out. What did you did you. I think that he was going to be is huge in his deep as it was okay. I'm gonna make a confession right now. Okay i never read the script. Forget out not jasmine. It's okay okay good now. I had to go in your basic. I mean and you you get your part and you audition that part and often. That's all you need really the you know. It's not like you don't want to just that. You can't incorporate. I ended up <hes> <hes> getting a an email from jordan 'cause <hes> he wanted me for the role. They didn't think they could work it out like i said i was a surrogate for hillary at the time and i was doing <hes> two other shows sugar and something else oh gosh they didn't no how could work out and he wrote his beautiful letter said. I really hope you brought something to this bro that i really think it'd be great and this and that is that here's another confession. I didn't really know that. Jordan was directing this movie. I'd never met the director was just me and one person in the room when i auditioned out so it's sort of like up <unk> functionaries that we did. I thought i was talking to college student no worries we're going to work this out. You know the future oscar winner not paid attention to what by the time i get there. I've come from queens sugar doing my last one. I'm playing a bipolar. I police person. I just finished that last. Show get on a plane by five o'clock. In the morning i am from new orleans to alabama and then i'm in wardrobe nope and they said have you met jordan yet and i said no. I'm looking forward to it so i said i take my phone and say let me look at call sheet. Seasoning seasoning google google so jordan jordan peele from key bill my god so this is a comedy. You know what i mean 'cause. I didn't know exactly what it was at all so when he came in art big john and his fabulous nice to meet you i swear to you is house house. That's the truth. This is the first time i've bears. That's all right. Josh say as as you say there you go and he told me i could put on anything. He said you know putting mukasa me the and i think he he comes from a world of sketch right and at that point i was like okay i went in and there was these nice nice people they were white women and they had all these funky wigs in a box and they started shaking them like this. You know and i said what the hell they've put that on me. I said air don't say anything. Just go with it. They started putting it on because i had had that big here. I'm doing leeann so i didn't want it to be that yeah and they tussled by here into something they put this on and it was what was it was a cut blonde thing i looked in the mirror and i said that's it. Maybe we feel for four hours that seeing that was it was longer than you saw and i was gone. I never thought about that again because i thought i was in the comedy so you were pleasantly surprised in the theater surprise. I was shocked horrified that i understand it grants told deflore d._v._d. Dear i saw the trailer and i was frightened. I said why god adami in this because i literally. I thought maybe i didn't make the cut i said i don't know my scene was funny and my right was reason for me to know. There was migrelief so i so imagine how huge it got. Nobody was more surprised than me and i'm happy for success as the coffee. I love it that we thank god for jordan peele. I was like for him to bring us eric alexander moment. It was purposely like maxine message. Well you know i think people thought she was going to do something about yeah yeah. She didn't finish play shit. Oh my god it was awful. It was hilarious. I loved it but you help you know encourage a little aril yeah yeah. She only doll talking heads. You are like <hes> okay one second all right right back. That was hilarious glorious speaking of encouragement. We just came back from essence festival this summer yes congratulations with my first time to be it as i can tell because i have a story so every retired storytime surely i have. I have a story going so we we work a lot editors as like you know talent. We moderate moderate all the things so we're working so we can't really be fans so three different times. You were like this close to me backstage but you were going this way that way and i was like goes to high be prepared they had it was really a conflict for me but every time i noticed i didn't get to go say hi. You were so like you were lit. You were living your best life. I was like being a black woman because you're already at black. Men like auntie bowl heaven live your best. I mean that's just weird black doc women. I love it. That means everything to be. What is it like. I just feel like it's like it's like we go and be our fabulous <music>. Okay we can never say it to who doesn't like it eva in miss oprah. I miss oprah gail. I'm sorry clean mothers drake. That wasn't me that queen mother. Oh my god. What does she like. We'll talk probably seriously who knew you were at the super bowl for black women and you were just throwing touchdown. You were having throw them catch them. What do you do touchdowns anyway. That's about analogy and you were having the best time yes i could see you. Were like hey girl. That's a big to do if you were also oh working gal moderating yes moderated a new. I was also doing some press for wu tang trait and that crowd of five hundred thousand black women and that's a tall order well. You know what i saw you. I loved it. I'm here you guys created a space talk about safe-space space for black women feel empowered powered. They feel supported and inspired but also you know admired. That's a really tall order and the fact that you could take over new orleans which is a sexy city. I think actually bring it to philly. Can i put that out there because it's not you know might have to sell me a man to real hard. It's called transportation. They couldn't find it is hard to walk around that city. It's in a bowl lock now. I'll get some schools down there something we found out so many people just walked in new orleans just made no so it's probably good. I had to say we do have a problem with our weight yeah so we needed to walk but i'm telling you spent that much though either philly just put just putting it in there okay. I have to know something about booting america's saga. I dunno where i'm going with the week. Okay what was the most surprising thing that you learn about tang. Oh i think i learned <hes> that i started to see them. Pass their persona. They're fake persona and when i say fake meaning their their public persona <unk> i that helped watching the documentary frankly of mike solomon and then also learning i tell the story of seeks anderson's character ghost face killer who was dennis and he had to take care of both of his brothers who were disabled and his mother who was an addiction and he was high school himself. It never really occurred to me because you have to understand. The whole point of hip. Hop is to create a feeling of success. That's beyond measure. There were some issues in there. That chocked me. The fact that method man was going moving from home to home you such an amazing charismatic person is a handsome man too so you can imagine anybody wouldn't and want this man in space and and yeah and even now but it is what it is. The thing i learned is that the real human beings with people get a chance to tell their stories you get to meet that that that that's much more listen they have stories beyond their public this yes and what they did is entrepreneurs with the the independent label essentially and what they created 'cause walking watching the documentary before this is. I felt like really helpful because i understand the logic and the thinking behind the high the story and what happened after that so yeah. I'm a fighter for excited worse. Yes hulu gas. Would you doing and after debt but you got on well. These two documentaries reparations also john lewis. That's trucking along. Obviously we're getting ready for the <hes> <hes> boys choir of harlem film how much yeah so everything for everything yeah book busy in writing and creating being in. There's so many things that i try to forget on purpose so i can forward life but you know if i'm lucky i again. I gotta focus myself and get some things things done people. Ask me about black lightning. I don't know anything about black lightning or whether i'll be back there but i did like working with china mclean. She's a doll she air yes yes. He's a doll. I love her. My daughter loves her the descendants three yes. Oh that whole thing is you mentioned are china. Gee just dumped right directing doctor. The reparations documentary directing the keri hilson keri hilson one time to me. That's what it is is about mental health but it's also about the power to breakthrough breakout and comeback. You know i mean we talk gin over and over again about these lives half half. They don't channel in success but what happens when it doesn't work out that way. Does she still have the power to remain relevant in space which is remaining relevant by telling her truth and so she's a very brave young woman. She won't be doing it alone. There's a lot of people who have mental health issues and charming the god all these people have been talking about it now <hes> if we look back on all these stars that have left us and when i say not just celebrities industry leaders <hes> they they were suffering from into health issues and they they were probably self medicating so it's a shame yeah you know what i love. Nowadays is when you hear celebrities or even regular people who say in casual conversation this asian woman. I talked to my therapists. One therapist told me this when i when i saw help for this. I realized you know fifteen twenty years ago. No-one people were still embarrassed. At least i found on an inner circle embarrassed to say that they were asking for help and now more common. That's true yeah i mean i go in and i speak. I've spoken twice in detroit. <hes> i to <hes> school of middle schoolers sorriest sorry house fool of whatever auditory school of middle schoolers and we asked them how many of you <hes> know anybody or <hes> who have tried to aside. Can i tell you if there there was two hundred and fifty people in there probably two hundred forty people raise their hands and the you could see their teachers go right so the next year. They have me back but this time it's they've created a forum. They now got health care officials in there to train people inside the neighborhood on how how it <hes> mental issues or wellness works. He'll he'll <hes> the day i arrived. This is no joke. I land the plane lands on my phone and this morning and there's a big <hes> bulletin that anthony anthony bourdain has committed sausa- so for the next several days that's all they're talking about so i looked at it because i was interested to see how they talked about it. Inside of our community it was hardly ever mentioned now they mentioned because of anderson cooper and his brother dying and that type of thing and of course anthony bourdain is a big deal but i didn't see the statistics mystic's that were being thrown around that we were the community that was moore's most endanger of while i was there because it was adults that were there and there were people who came the people who are committing suicide over fifty years fifty years of age grown <hes> retired in hurting hurting and there they were <hes> grown men without their <hes> wives commit suicide with they're grown children and all i know is that <hes> black people again you know what it is but our community we need to this is not it's not a it's not a game <hes> we we see kanye west and my heart goes out to him because i know that he's dealing with a lot of things but the thing that he's dealing with the most is that we hardly ever get to z. <hes> mental health issue push put on display inside of a framework that's already distorted and when he walked into the white house this would happen yeah so people don't know what they were looking at you know and however it goes whether you're talking about keri hilson. 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How the Electric Chair Works

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How the Electric Chair Works

"Are you scared about the possibility of a second American civil war? I'm Robert Evans. I'm the host of the podcast behind the bastards. And I've worked as a conflict journalist in a couple of actual civil wars in Iraq and in Ukraine, and I'm here to tell you I am scared of that possibility. If you wanna know, what might be awaiting your friends and your family, listen to it could happen here. You can listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to step. You should know a production of I heart radio. How stuff works? Hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Brian over there. And there's Jerry over there. And this is stuff, you should know over here. And I guess I probably sound a little too Chipper for what we're about to talk about because it is grim stuff. It is. And I my friend have the fact that you probably know. But I don't know if everyone else knows that the word electrocute is a portmanteau. That was coined during the war of currents. You did. I'm so happy with you. This is my fact too. I was like checks gonna love this. I appreciate you assuming that I already knew it. Well, I see me know, everything let them have it choke. Well, yeah, it it's it comes from the words electric and execution. And when I saw that I was like that can't be right? Surely the word electrocute was around before then. But there was no before then because there was no like, you know, mass use of electric city, and I don't know who exactly coined it. I couldn't find that. But it was during the war of currents. Yeah. I saw it in like a paper from nineteen o eight that said that and they said he just said it's so matter of factly as what that does. Oh, wow. That is right. Electrocute electro execution. It's like the sex acution, it's like sex and the executioner the sex acution. Yeah. And that's also word that gets misused because. A lot of people say someone's electrocuted if they just experienced a profound shock, but that's not the case. That's why I was confusing. I think at first force really quite that. It's not it's not sensible. I also saw another. Electro thin Asia. Okay. I know it's not nearly as good as electrocute. I I wanted to toss it out to and this episode has what I believe may be the best of he should know band. Name of all time. I know what that one is to so we'll just hang onto that. Okay. Cool. Yeah. I saw that knows like there's chokes paying name. Yep. So we're talking electrocution. And now that you know, electrocuting what the word means, you know, we're specifically talking about being put to death on purpose through electrically, and as far as we know the only way that anyone's ever been put to put to death using electricity is in an electric chair, which is a specifically American invention. Did you know that before you research this? I did and we should point out that the Philippines did use this for a while. But it was because we basically rely you guys should totally use the electric chair here have one right back in like nineteen twenty six and they used it for fifty years until nineteen seventy six, and then they were like this is really gross. We're going to stop using this and stop executing people altogether in that. Right. Did they altogether? I just assumed they went to firing squad or something. I think I don't know if it was in seventy six, but I think they got rid of the. Death knell, perhaps how how very simple so with the electric chair. We've we've had like I said it was an American invention. It's been around since I guess the eighteen eighties is when it really started to kind of make a make its debut, but it's it's really kind of basic and simple for something as seemingly complicated as harnessing electricity to put an to extinguish a human life. Right. It's a share that you strap somebody to and run electric through their body until they die. It's really about that simple. Yes. They I mean, if you've ever seen a movie or God forbid, if you've ever been to an execution can imagine doing something like that. But people do that. And by the way, you know. If I say things like that. I'm just speaking for myself everyone. Oh, we did like a whole lethal injection episode came out pretty strongly against the death penalty if I remember correctly. So so it's already out there. Yeah. I just I if I seem like I'm turned off by a lot of this is because I am. But there are a lot of people in this country that when they hear about like flames shooting out of someone's head and blood count coming out of someone's eyeballs in the smell of cooked flesh. They're liking heck. Yeah. Like Zappa again. Shouldn't shouldn't kill those people. You're getting what you deserve. So there are a lot of people out there that feel that way. And I'm just not one of them. Yeah. I was reading about the execution of Ted Bundy he was electrocuted in Florida. I'm pretty sure and there were. Yeah. It was flora there were people partying outside of the prison where he was put to death. I remember that holding a barbecue. What what year is is like nine hundred ninety. Maybe you're eighty nine. I feel like I was in college. But I remember seeing that on the news. And there was just like. It was it seemed like a tailgate was going on. Yeah. That's what it seems like from what I read in. And there was apparently zero Bundy supporters. It was all people who are there for to cheer on his death. Yeah. So they're definitely people who feel that way out there for sure. So. Yeah. Getting back to what you're saying. Though. It's it is very rudimentary. There was a metal cap that is the electrode and that is put onto a prisoners shaved head. There is a natural sponge with saline saltwater in that sponge and salt water is conductive. And that's the reason they use that. But there have been a lot of problems with the wrong sponges too much salt too little salt too much water too little water. But that's generally how it works that goes in between the cap that metal cap in the in the person's head, and then there's another electrode that's usually on the leg of the prisoner. But. Sometimes it's on like the foot or the base of the spine or something. And this all just allows electric city to flow freely through a person's body until they die, right, right? Because the the electrode that goes into the head. That's where the electricity comes from. And then the other electrode that's connected to the ground like through the leg allows the current to pass through the body all the way, right? And that's you know, from that free flow of electronic, that's where you get these tremendously horrific results, ultimately culminating in the death of the person. And then choke you said that they put a sponge on people's heads. It has to be a natural sponges. You say that I did. So apparently, they found is as we'll see the only natural sponge will work a, but one of the other purposes that serves besides acting is kind of a reservoir for the saltwater conductor. It also it fills the space between the metal cap and the. The the the victim's head because you're like the metal caps is like this little metal cap in your head's not a perfect cap shaped dome. So the the sponges meant to also kind of fill that space get the electricity everywhere going through your head. Yeah. And as far as the chair, the actual wooden share. I mean, it could have been anything. It could have been some upright thing. Like Hannibal Lecter was strapped to like upright gurney. But they they settled on a chair. It's generally this big heavy oak chair in many times irony of all ironies that chair is built by prison labor. I saw that too. And it's almost invariably called old sparky. But there are also some that were called like old smokey. And then the worst of all I think was Louisiana's called gruesome Gertie. Just terrible name for chair. He actually it's a perfect name for a an electric chair actually now, I think about it. Yeah. But the I don't know the the sort of tradition of naming electric chairs. He's cute names is also something that's a bit of a turnoff. Yeah. Just a tad to tip it. So you're strapped into this chair. Obviously, your arms are strapped in your legs are strapped in most of the times, you have a strap across your chest and groin area. And again, the chair is just has nothing to do. It doesn't have electricity running through it at all. That is just the means to keep the prisoners strapped in right, right? Because when that switch is thrown. Your muscles just contract to the point where you can just snap bones joints skit this thrown out of joint. Literally, I it's a huge con muscle muscular contraction throughout your entire body because that's how you're that's how your muscles contract is through electric and electrochemical reaction. Right. So when you introduce a huge amount of trinity your body all at once all the muscles in your body contract, and it is so much. So that if you're not strapped in you would just fly right out of the chair. I think in it must have been our electricity episode. We talked about how when people who have touched an electrical wire their muscles have contracted. So so strongly that they've thrown themselves across the room. Like, you're not blown across the room by the electricity. That's your muscles contracting shooting you across the room. That's why the they have people strapped to the chair in the electric chair to keep them. From shooting across the room and the electricity shoots through them. Yeah. In depending on what state you're in. You know, they're all going to have their own protocol for how to carry out in electric, and we should also point out too. That this is they are generally not used anymore. There are only nine states, but still have that option. Alabama, Arkansas, Florida Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee Virginia. Are you noticing a trend had and then finally Oklahoma not the only state not in the south? But but it's not something that is generally still used in the United States. No. But it is a backup. And it's not a backup. I think if like lethal injection is a work is a backup of the prisoners specifically says I don't want lethal injection. I want the electric chair. Right. So depending on where you are the protocol is gonna vary. This one is pulled from Tennessee was. An execution last year that Edmund Zagorski I guess asked for the chair because it was two thousand eighteen and this was the protocol the electric chair will release seventeen hundred and fifty volts of electric for twenty seconds will stop for fifteen seconds. And then we'll release another seventeen hundred fifty volts for another fifteen seconds. After the first wave of lecture city officials will wait five minutes and then closed the blinds into the witness room. Doctor will check for signs of life. If there are none the doctor will pronounce him dead if he is still alive. The blinds will be raised another round. By soon like an encore. He's the curtain goes back up in another round of electric city will be administered in the doctor will be called in again. Right. How about that? That that encore thing kinda got me. I mean, that's I don't know the parallels are obvious. So the yeah. Yeah. But I think also in the lethal injection would we explained like the X the state witnesses people who are hired to come and witness on behalf of the people because the state is executing people on behalf of the people of that state in these are the representatives of everybody else who lives in that state. I mean, yes, of course, there's no way you wouldn't get weirdos. But if I remember correctly, they try to weed those people out, but yeah, yes, I get where you're coming from. I'm not trying to like shoot your opinions down or anything like that. Yeah. So what are the things like you said there's like seventeen hundred volts I've seen that blow. Like, I've seen two thousand at least is what you want. And then the amps are really the big one because of voltages kind of like the water pressure into hoes where the amps are like the actual flow rate of how much is coming through. So the answer what kill you. They say, but you have to balance the camps in that you want to you want to introduce enough amps through voltage into the inmate to kill them quickly in pain, those sleep because I don't think we've said the reason the the electric chair was brought around was not to to just set somebody on fire as you were executing them. It was too because it was thought to be like a painless inhumane way to to execute a prisoner the supposedly the point of executions. So you wanna balance a quick painless death through enough amps and voltage introduced with? Not so many amps him and not a high enough amount of voltage that you cook the person and set them on fire. That's basically the tight rope that as state executioner who electrocute somebody is walking in figuring out how much to to how much juice to deliver for the electric chair. Yeah. And. I tried to find if you know what I always heard that there were dummy switches and that like three guards we'll all flip a switch at the same time. So no one knows if they were the one, and I think that was just I I didn't see any support for that. And that may just be built on the old thing of the firing squad where someone has blanks, and you know, so like one person everyone, basically can say, well, I may have had the blank I may not have actually had the bullet in my gun. Right. But that is apparently not the case with electric chairs and a volunteer throws one. Switch the you know, generally prison guard has has said this is something that I will do on volunteering for this. You can't apparently force someone to do this. It's always a volunteer. Right. And depending on the state to they might not actually work at the prison. They might that might just be their job as an execution, and maybe a second job they have or something like that. And from what I've seen. They're typically called the lex. Trillions. The electro executioner is called an electric and New York had some very famous and prolific ones kind of at the heyday of the electric chair in the first half of the twentieth century. Oh, yeah. Yeah. One of them killed are you ready for this one of the most gruesome things I've ever heard in my life. One of them killed seven men in succession in one day. Wow. And they had all seven men in sing-sing on death row like in in the death house at the same time. And so as one would be taken away, the other Levin would just be sitting there like freaking out like the next one would come and it just kept whittling down. And as they went through this day of executions, the like, the the the the sense among the inmates. They really almost losing their minds. It's one of the cruelest things I've ever heard in my life, at least in the modern era. You know, there's no way to to execute. Listeners and a believe they've really gotten away from that. You don't execute more than one person in a day at the same place. I think it's really kind of like your time to shine. It's your special day. You're not gonna share it with eleven other eight six other people anymore, but the executioner the electricity for New York who did that can't remember his name right now. But he actually ended up taking his own life. Because apparently he was doing this to pay the medical bills for his wife who was chronically ill, and this paid really really well, and eventually she died, and he abruptly quit. And then when took his took his life. Wow. Yeah. So it's not like it's not like if you're an electric, you're an executioner. I I don't think it's kind of like, this is a fun thing. I think I think this kind of destroys everybody involved, basically. Yeah. And so, you know, you mentioned that it was supposedly the the humane way of killing people, and we'll get to how that happened in a minute. But. The two gentlemen, John Louis Prevost and Frederick batali. They by the way, we got an Email about someone who was not happy with my talian. But we got we got a couple from people who were talion American saying like a love it don't ever stop. Yeah. The one guy who's said, I went too far was also very upset about my characterization of new Englanders as liking Dunkin donuts as well. Wow. So I sort of took that one with a grain of salt. That's a that's a big fat. That's a salt lick think. Yeah. Doughnut jokes come on. Doughnuts. So anyway, those gentlemen, they did a lot of research into heart defibrillator in eighteen ninety s and the idea that time was hey, what's going on here? When you let your cute someone is is it instantly sort of kills the prisoner by a massive brain damage and a stoppage interruption of the heart. And so that's why they thought it was more humane than like hanging which will get to an ascetic. But that is not the case as we will see from the scores of botched electrocutions over the years. Right. That's why if you if you read like these procedures for executing a prisoner using electricity. There's two rounds of juice invariably the first one supposedly destroys the brain. But the second one remember how I said all the muscles in the body like contract. Well, one of the biggest mu-. Muscles in the body is your heart, and your heart contracts, which ironically protects it from dying o interest. Yep. So that's why they'll stop with the electricity the electrical flow for several seconds to let the hearts like come out of seizure again. And then when they do it a second time allegedly that is the one that's meant to destroy the heart. So initially, the first one is supposed to destroy the conscious mind, and then ultimately, the brain, and it supposedly happens very fast number you'll see bandied about is that it happens in one two hundred fortieth of a second which is faster than you can consciously register pain. So you are you're dead. You're at least unconscious, and then you're you're dead right after that before you can feel pain, but the person I think I've seen associated with that as a guy named Fred Leuchter who's actually like a well-known engineer of Tennessee's electric chair. And believe a holocaust denier to and I didn't see anywhere else. Like any legitimate study that showed that so, but it's like somebody said it, and everybody's just going to go with that. But supposedly, that's what the I choose does not you out and kill you, brain wise, your brain dead. And then the second one kills your your cardiac system. Yeah. It was air Morris did a documentary about him actually about tread Leuchter loser. Yeah. Called Mr. death and part of it was on, you know, his work with the electric chair. And then part of it was on your right? The fact that he is a notorious holocaust denier, and guess what he does. Now. I have no idea. He apparently is a works in the garden department of a Home Depot really in his old age. Well, he's he he I'm correct that he built Tennessee's electric chair. He wasn't an actual electrocution or an executioner now. No, he is. Is a really good documentary. Of course, because it's all Morris. But I'm sure yeah. You should check it out. You wanted to take a break. Yeah. We'll take a break, and we'll come back, and we'll talk about a very famous supreme court case. And then a lot about hanging right after this. On the next Ron burgundy podcast. This actually exciting. You got Mr Peter Dink Lynch. He's Chang's impersonal poetry actually, a lot of people actually find poetry interesting. The sound machine away series thrown of games or game of thrones Ron any surprises, we can expect from Tylenol Lancaster, curious minisster. Iheart radio is number one for podcasts. And it's easy to see. Why? The Ron burgundy podcast on iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. Chuck, we're back. You talk about the supreme court. You said what about? I love it when you're coy. Nineteen eighty-five the Precourt chose not to review a case glass v Louisiana, which would have been a very big deal because it was on the constitutionality of the electric chair. The whole that whole thing about cruel and unusual punishment is always been a talking point when it comes to whether or not people should be put to death and just how to do that. And they chose like I said they chose not to review it, but very famously Justice. William Brennan wrote a dissent that described an execution like this. And by the way, this this part is particularly gruesome, so if you don't want to hear about this than just tune out for like twenty seconds win this which is thrown. The condemned prisoner cringes. Leaps and fights the straps with amazing strength, the hands turn red than white and the cords of the next stand out like steel bands, the prisoner's limbs fingers toes and face her severely contorted, the force of the electrical current a soap powerful that the prisoners. Eyeball sometimes about an rest on his cheeks the prisoner often defecates, urinate, s- and vomits blood and drool sometimes the prisoner catches on fire, particularly if he perspires excessively and witnesses here allowed in sustained sound like bacon frying and the sickly sweet smell of burning flesh. Permeates the chamber, and dude we should point out. Like Brennan wasn't saying, you know, in the worst case scenario, this is what happens that's a pretty standard that's standard for electric chair execution. And then there's like there was one other thing too that I saw still in the gruesome zone everybody. You said that the well Brennan said that they the person gurgles often Phil also Cy and apparently for reeks out witnesses because they're like you still alive and what happens again, the when the muscles contract. Whatever air is in the lungs gets trapped in there. 'cause you're epoch guate- shuts tight just it's not opening again. So then when the electricity is turned off in your muscles. Relax that air is expelled out. And it sounds like you're sighing or your gurgling. If there's, you know fluid in there, and it's just another terrible facet of this of this this kind of execution. Yes. So we promise talk of hanging. And that's really how the electric chair came about in Europe. They had long us to guillotine. But here in the United States kind of from the beginning. I guess we're firing squads hanging was really the, quote, unquote, humane way of executing prisoners for a long time with the idea that if it's in the case of gallows that door would drop you would drop and your neck would snap basically in you a diver very quickly. But that was not always the case. It was a man named. Tom Ketchum in nineteen to one the New Mexico New Mexico territory his head was completely torn off of his body. Yep. That's just one. There are plenty of them that actually happened to a woman named Eva. Duggan had that happened to her in Arizona in nineteen thirty as well. And it's not like it's not that's not the only possible outcome from botched hanging like they can go the other way as well. Where you're not like your neck doesn't snap or your head doesn't pop off? And you're just slowly suffocating. There was a case of one guy. I think is name was William Williams who was just born to lose. Apparently, he he he dropped. And didn't it didn't strangle it didn't break naked and do anything and the prison officials had to basically strangulate him with the with the rope to kill him. And so all the stuff and there's plenty of them. All the stuff was making the news at the time. And it was kind. Of converging with a public sentiment against the death penalty in general. So if the public kind of like. Quite sure we should be killing people. I don't I don't feel very good about this. And then news of like botched hangings are coming out something's going to change. And there are basically two things that can happen at a point in history. Like this either the society can say, you know, what execution in general is just bad bad news, and let's not do that anymore or maybe we do need execution. But we need to find a better way to do it in pronto because this is not okay any longer. Yeah. There was there was another kind of hanging you always think of the gallows in that trap door. But there's something called the suspension hanging where the person is on the ground with a rope around their neck and weights are dropped over a pulley. And then you are jerked up instead of being dropped and that supposedly will snap your neck. And that was the case with the execution of Roxana Druse in eighteen eighty seven. She was small and so when that when that rope was jerked up her neck was not snapped and sheep slowly was strangled a death for about twenty minutes and she had killed her husband. And that was a case that was controversial for lotteries in it was very much a preplanned killing. But she claimed that she had been abused. She had her children involved in the killing. It was a pretty interesting story. She sent her ten year old out and then had her teenage kids help out. So one of the kids tied a rope around her dad's neck, the the woman the mother Roxanne Roc Selena shot him, but I think didn't use the gun properly. So it didn't kill him gave the gun to her fourteen year old nephew. He shot him. A few more times the husband's laying there unable to move pleading for help. And then she comes barreling in with an ax and cuts his head off. Jeez. Yes. So she takes the head and the body to the parlor they stayed there for about a day, then she cut the body up burnt it and got rid of the ashes, and then was was found out. So but the shot of all this was when she was executed. She didn't die quickly and humanely. She died very slowly. Painfully and very important publicly at a time when the public in particular New York was like we're better than this. And so not not strictly from her her botched execution, but definitely impart because of it New York said we need to find a better way to do this. How can we how can we execute somebody better? And they said prominent lawyer Elbert Thomas, Jerry go, and So Jerry formed will he's like, well, you guys pick me first. So we're going to call the Commissioner Jerry commission, and he is simple to other guys, including a man named Alfred P Southwick who was a dentist who's interested in this kind of stuff. He was like, you know, what being a dentist isn't scratching that a sadistic? Right. Here's basically like the founder of a high. Oh art, you know, exactly. So so the three of them get together, and they spent two years figuring out like looking at different ways of execution, and they looked at all of them, and they released this this journal report, like a formal government, New York state government report that details and chronicles all the different ways that you could officially kill somebody from precipitation, which is pushing him off a cliff to boiling them alive. Whether you want it to be, you know, molten lead or water doesn't really matter at that point to crushing from heavy stones, and they looked at thirty four different methods of edgy execution in detail. And they could -cluded that none of them were an improvement on hanging that yes. Some of them would definitely like provide the public spectacle. That would probably deter other people make them. Think twice about killing somebody. But definitely no more humane as inhumane is hanging could be especially about hanging. So they said, well, we're back to square one. But one of south L for peace outweigh thinks. He knows of a method that we haven't hit upon yet. And it was electric city. No he had seen a. A March brothers movie, and he said, maybe we should just drop a safe on someone's head as they walked out and sidewalk there like, yeah. I could kinda work. But if you miss you, just really main them terribly. Yeah. So he came upon electrocution as as what he felt was like the best way because electric city was this is where we get into like kind of things aligning and carbon arc lining becoming widespread and cities and people having streetlights and electricity in their houses was and in big cities was sort of a new thing, but it was super dangerous. And there are a lot of cases of people getting electrocuted. Those a drunken buffalo a drunk man who grabbed hold of a generator just to sort of see what it felt like died instantly. And that's when Southwick was like, wait a minute. I think we're onto something here if it can kill people just instantly. Then that's kind of what we're after. Right. So the thing is that whole instantly thing that's a little. Subjective. This guy. Right. Yeah. It happened one time. And then also like this is what an eyewitness standing. You know, a little ways away says happened, he died instantly. Are you fudging a little bit because instantly or not really kinda counts when you're looking for a new method of execution for a state to us over and over and over again, and to spread thrill all fifty states, basically, it's really important that it's instant, and they're like a it's instant, let's just look into this one because it's gotta be better than hanging. So they they did when they found out that that when it became public and announced that they were kind of forming a sub set to the Jerry commission called Chuck. The electric death commission. Best band name of all time. We have arrived at the band name everybody. Yeah. There's not a lot on this even looked into this a little more. And it's not it's not all over the internet, surprisingly, no, it's not. But it like I've seen it in some reputable sources of so it's not like it's just totally made up or a myth or legend or something like that. Yeah. I think I think it was it was basically, they said, okay. The Jerry commission is has done its job. We're going to set ourselves up in this own commission. The electric death commission to basically show that electrocution is a good and humane way to elect to take a life. Right. The state so Elfriede Southwick fell in with a guy named George fell. Appropriately enough, George fell was a surgeon. He was a tinkerer an engineer, and he became extremely interested in the applications of electricity to cause. Death as well. And so- Southwick and fell basically got together and formed this like weirdo cabal to figure out how to create an electric chair. Yeah. This part. I don't quite get because I know that I can hardly say the senate's out loud. But I know that they practiced on stray dogs like they electrocuted hundreds of dogs. But it says here they were supplied by the buffalo ASPCA not knowingly. Right. Yes. I saw somewhere Chuck that for at this time. Thanks to these guys that became the method of euthanasia that the local animal shelters used on stray animals. Really? Yeah. So I I guess they started testing on them and it became like. So so useful. I guess that they SPCA said, hey, bring your quit on over here. And they started using it to execute straits. That's what I saw a while. I'm sure they're not proud of that part of their history of project. Acting animals from cruelty. I'm sure that they are not actually like, please. Please. Just keep moving. I keep going talk about Thomas, Edison. Wow. So at the end of this and all of these dogs, they they basically came to that conclusion that we talked about earlier was that electricity will instantly destroy the heartbeat and the rhythm and death will be instant and painless and New York passed a state law saying basically in eighteen eighty eight this is the way forward for us. Yeah. And again, this is like this long after the time when the two guys provost and Batalli head shown this like the early eighteen hundreds I think that you could actually use electric city to restart somebody's heart. And then also now we know that actually electrically doesn't instantly kill you by causing take it does the opposite. The heart becomes like goes into safe mode to protect itself and. You have to hit it again to make it spasm. Go into fibrillation because that's what fibrillation is like in in non rhythmic heartbeat to where you can't actually pump any blood out. That's a heart attack. Right or they fibrillation cardiac arrest. That's not what happens when you get hit with the first jolt of city. So I don't know if fell and Southwick were just making this up or if it just happened that it did kill dogs like that. Or what maybe they were using a massive amount. Or maybe they're using just the right level of amps. I don't know. But they definitely demonstrated that this was this was something that could be done, but it wasn't just them. So I'm Cheney is to Southwick and fell who from everything I could tell we're aside from the fact that they killed a lot of dogs with electric city where legitimate scientists who were doing this to find a humane alternative to hanging. There was another guy who was the opposite of legitimate one. Wasn't a scientist and was a fairly shaded character named Harold Brown. Yes. So off to the side, you know, fell in Southwick built the first actual chair. Just park that there for a moment, and then we have to squat taking. No, don't sit there. Sit in the other chair. So we have to talk about the war of currents, which we've talked about on this. I think we did a whole podcast on this. Right. Yeah. We did. Like did did Nikola tesla. Change the way we use trinity answer. Yes. Yes. So we don't need to go roll it again. But just very quickly the war of currents that was a big war between whether or not we're going to move forward as a nation with AC power or DC power Thomas Edison, wanted that DC power that was he had invested heavily in that. So he was trying to make that went out. And then George Westinghouse, of course, in the other side was working head invested in AC power and Brown who you mentioned he actually worked for Edison. Is that right? Yes. But supposedly unbeknowst even testified under oath that he did not work for as when he very well very much did and had for years by that time interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a shape ball. And I the one thing that I can't figure out Chuck is whether he was true. Truly a crusader against Westinghouse in AC power. Like, he genuinely thought it was dangerous, and then he fell in with us in or if he was an Edison operative from the outset that's what I've not been able to establish, but he was definitely working for at a Sohn secretly interesting. So the electric death commission get in touch with Edison. And then the grab stir put this together for us. And I thought this is very kind of great comparison. He said, you know, what happened next to sort of like if the government said to Pepsi. Hey, you guys are experts on soda how how should we kill someone with a soda and Pepsi was like here. We'll do lots of experiments that will prove to you that Coca-Cola will kill somebody very easily. And that's basically what happened is Harold Brown working with Edison did all these gruesome public electrocutions to show. How dangerous ace? C current was. So they would adopt it for the electric chair, which would intern in his mind, give AC current bad name. Right. I mean, that's is under handed is a kit. Like if you are in competition biz. That's like. Uber calling fake lift rides when they started out. So you remember that? Yeah. But this is way worse, but it's still in the same wheelhouse. But but that's what that's what Edison was doing is like, oh, yeah. Totally. Apparently, he declined. I participate have anything to do with this electric death commission. And then he was like, oh, wait. Yes. Actually, I have a great idea. I would like to be involved. I really see I suggest the AC current be used and he used Herro Brown to carry out this whole thing so much so that Harold Brown manage to convince the electric death commission that not only should AC current be used for the first electrocution in the state of New York, a Westinghouse generator should be used to generate that electrical current and he tried to buy some generators from Westinghouse. And they're like, no, no, you can't. We know what you're gonna do it those. So I ended up buying secondhand ones. And that kind of sets the stage for the first execution which. If you ask me is a really good point to take our second break agreed. Earlier this year an interview with Breitbart news, President Donald Trump said the knee event of a civil conflict in the United States. He believed the military and the police as well as civilian groups like the bikers for Trump would be on his side. Do you think more about the possibility of a second American civil war now than you used to if so you're not alone? I'm Robert happens. I'm the host of the podcast behind the bastards. And I've worked as a conflict journalist couple of actual civil wars. I started a new podcast called it could happen here to inform my fellow citizens than their friends and families about what they could expect of civil conflict where to come to the United States. So if you're worried about the possibility of a second American civil war, listen to it could happen here. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. So Chuck were in Auburn state prison. It's August eighteen ninety and there's a guy named William Kimbler who was convicted of murdering his common law wife Tilly with an axe. And when he was caught he apparently done it in a drunken region. I I don't know if he felt remorse or guilt or was just bored with the whole thing. But he had a quote where he said something like, yes, I struck her with a hatchet. I intended to killer, the sooner I am hung and it's over with the better hanged hanged. I get that. Yeah. So the the sooner I'm hanged, and it's over with the better. And I guess he was not afraid of the news. But when he found out that they were going to use electrocute, and that he would be the first ever human being to be executed by the state with electric electric city. He was like, well, we'll we'll we'll whoa. What are you talking about again and started to file lawsuits? So he actually also became the first person to challenge the constitutionality of the electric chair as a means of execution. Yeah. That's kind of crazy factor. Think very first person to go to the electric chair was the first person to be like, I don't think this is right. Yeah. It's true. But the supreme court said no they ruled against Kamler and said, it does not violate the eighth amendment to the constitution. And he went what about the excessive bail, and they went I thought you were talking about cruel and unusual punishment and. He went whatever you want to hear. Yeah. So his execution. The very first one was by all accounts botched pretty severely in and of itself. Yes. So you remember how? What was his name Harold Brown managed to get Westinghouse generators used for that? I execute but he had to buy secondhand one. Yet the first jolt of electricity that was sent through William Kamler to kill him only lasted for seventeen seconds because one of the belt started to fall off the generator. So they had to stop before had killed him. And by all accounts, he was sitting there struggling with life left in them. And the New York Times reported that quote strongmen fainted and fell like logs on the floor at the site. Yeah. It was a terrible thing to say. And also if you look at the drawings of the of the execution that were used in the newspapers of the day, he's sitting there in a chair surrounded by people like Harold Brown, and George fell and Elford Southwick. And then the witnesses are all just milling around like standing around watching them like they're watching some guide like in a drinking contest or something. That's how he was executed. So I would imagine. Like, you know, it's it'd be bad enough to to be a witness to an execution today where it's real sterile in the it's really clinical. And there's a glass glass thick class window between you and the curtain comes down to standing in the same room with somebody who's being electrocuted. Just a few feet away. That's gotta be. It's gotta make it even worse. You know? Yeah. And so, you know, clearly, not a more humane way after this first execution, but they press forward because and I think Ed points out various stupidly that. There was something about the the fact that it was a use of technology that wasn't Tiro around someone's neck or just put a bullet in their head that it seemed less offensive to the public at large. I think because it's not the kind of thing like they didn't if you're not a witness to it. And you just read about something in the paper. It may seem like there is a an acceptable moral distance. Because of this technology. Right. Right. Right. So like hang when hanging came when hanging was under fire for not being humane new technology that kind of put more distance between just see more advanced. And because it was more advanced than this kind of technocratic way of thinking, it was more humane. It was more high tech. So it must just be better. That was kind of how the electric chair came to replace hanging. But even though that first one was simply botched the idea of it just made it allowed it to spread and from like all not all the accounts, but most of the accounts that I saw of that. I execute were just like this is terrible gruesome thea, this will probably never happen again. And then other states were like, oh, you cook them with electricity like like that idea? Let me try that too. And it spread fairly quickly and became far and away the dominant method of execution the United States in the twentieth century. Yeah. And there have been many many. You know, at the end, we'll talk about some some more botched executions. But I don't think there are any more. Legendary then Willie Francis in nineteen forty six he was executed in Louisiana for a murder that to call his trial questionable. In suspect is like an understatement. It seems like this guy was just totally railroaded. And you've mentioned gruesome Gertie earlier that was the name of the electric chair in Louisiana in this case for his execution. It was set up by a drunk prison guard who apparently didn't set it up correctly. It was total human error. So he goes down in history. As to my knowledge, the only person who has ever been executed technically twice or because he survived his botched executions such that he lived completely threw it. They couldn't use the chair. Anymore? And he actually lived to fight to say, hey, you can't do this again because that is totally that is definition of cruel and unusual. You tried to kill me once and it didn't work, and I'm here in court again. And the supreme court said now sorry, you're gonna have to go the chair again, isn't it? The the craziest thing ever heard crazy. So so the guy this wasn't like the guy's survived in there. Like quick throw the switch again. He's still alive we need to we need to, you know, finish the job or whatever you wanna call it. This was the electric chairs broke after going through a full execution. The guy's still alive. And let's for another year before they're like, all right? We fix the electric chairs time for you to die again. Yeah. And they did it twice in that second time that was that. But he. That's that is that's the definition of cruel and unusual. I agree with you entirely. Yeah. The interesting thing, though, is if you look there were statistics put together about four or five years ago that shows that the electric chair, and you know, like you said we did one lethal injection that starting in the late seventies kind of became one of the more preferred choices for most states, but as far as what you would consider botch percentage, the electric chair kind of leads the way except for the firing squad. Only one point nine two electric are categorizes botched compared to seven point one percent for lethal injection. Yeah. Which is pretty pretty good track. Record comparatively speaking, I guess, but then there's a really big point here too. It's like in a botched lethal injection at least from the perspective of the witnesses. That's vast. Preferred shirt to a botched electrocution where the person catches fire something like that. But absolutely. But here's the problem with all these with comparing like, botch nece and what's preferred. No. That one's much more. That's a much more tasteful botched execution this one. We because the medical profession said, we're we don't have anything to do with this. Like, yeah. Dr can be present to pronounce the person dead. But the doctor's not going to insist assist in any way, shape or form and still keep the medical license. We cause no harm. So we can't assist an execution. Right. Our understanding of execution is coming. It's like anecdotal like how to carry out an execution protocol you should use. Like, it's it's done by the people who are doing this almost through trial and error or from people's data where they executed dogs a hundred something years ago, and that was what was used to kill, you know, hundreds if not a thousand plus. Humans in actually. Yeah. Probably more than thousand humans in the United States in the twentieth century. The thing is this Chuck so so you can stop there pretty easily and just say like, so we we don't know if it was ever humane. We don't know if it does cause instant death people catch on fire, whatever. But you actually we've never known whether it does cause instant death. Because when you when you are autopsied after your execution. Your brain is cooked. Like invariably does one of the byproducts of an electrocute your brain gets cooked, basically through and through it can be like a hundred and twenty degrees Fahrenheit at autopsy. Still, you know, dozens of minutes or an hour or so later when your brain is removed. It's still that hot right? So we don't actually know if the electric chair, isn't humane or isn't painless. We don't really know. But then at the same time an execution whether it's tasteful or appears humane. It's it's yes, it's meant to be that way for the inmate, but it really is meant to be that way for society because it has to be palatable and tasteful for society or else societies. Like, no, we can't do that anymore. Like we did with hanging. And that is what happened actually with execution because of some botched executions in Florida in the nineties society said like we've gotta find another way of heard about this. Thel injection thing. Let's try that. Instead. Yeah. I mean, should we talk about some of these awful stories? Yeah. So let me see here. October nineteen eighty-five in Indiana electrocution of William van diver. I administration of twenty three hundred volts he was still breathing. The execution took a total of five volts. I'm sorry. Five jolts and seventeen minutes the smell of smoke of hair and flesh burning. The department of corrections said this, quote, the execution did not go according to plan. Yeah. They like to be droll. It sounds like how about Horace Franklin Dunkin's junior nineteen eighty nine in Alabama to jolts electric city nine minutes apart the first jolt failed to kill him. And the captain of the prison guard open the door to the witness room and said, I. We've got the jacks on wrong. They reconnect the cables correctly and death was pronounced nineteen minutes after the first charge. But the first charge. It's not like it wasn't painful if it was probably more painful than the second one because the second one produced death, but it was not a couldn't possibly produce the kind of voltage that would kill a person. It was basically, torture like a little little torture starter. Like, they have a TGI Fridays. And then that was followed by the entree, which was death, which is not supposed to happen. So again, if you'll kind of hearken back to the all these news stories coming out like, ooh, this is not how we're supposed to be executing people. What's going on? This is starting to go on in the eighties and early nineties around the United States with with electrocuting. Yeah. This one in Georgia nineteen Eighty-four alpha Otis Stevens, the first charge failed to kill him. He struggled a breathe for eight minutes. And they carried out the second charge after the first two minute power surged there was a six minute pause. So as body could cool enough, so physicians could examine him in that six minute period. He took Twenty-three breaths, which if you do the math, you know, and think about how intermittent those breaths are. And then the quote from the Georgia prison official was Stevens was just not a conductor of electricity. But how about that? And then there were three Chuck there were three in Florida that really kind of galvanize public opinion against electrocute Joseph or Jesse Joseph to pharaoh Pedro Medina. And a guy named Allen Lee Davis and to pharaoh Medina both caught on fire. I think to Faeroes head had like six inch flames shooting out from under the crown under the electrode on his head and Medina had like a foot flames and like so much that his whole. He's just chart is head was charged during the execution again. Again, we don't know that he actually suffered. But that's not what the public wants to see your read about when we're when we leave it to the state to execute people humanely. That's not supposed to happen. And then Allen Lee Davis, very famously had photographs taken of him after his execution in his face seems to be very clearly contorted and in a look of pain. He was a very big may like three hundred and fifty pounds and a tremendous amount of blood loss. It looks like it came out of his mouth, and maybe even his chest. But they later determined that it was it came out of his nose. But there's a lot of blood, and they also said like, well, the guy was on blood thinners. So this is pretty clear this happened. But it doesn't really mean anything. He got a nose nosebleed during the electrocute and the public's. We don't care. That's number three down in Florida alone. Go find something else. Try this lethal injection thing. Yeah. I did a did a list. Actually, I think Nebraska in two thousand eight was the last state to stop using the electric chairs primary source, but I was curious like which state just has executed the most people period by whatever means and Texas leads away. What? They have to stats since nineteen thirty since nineteen seventy six but Texas his executed eighteen hundred I'm sorry. Eight hundred and forty one people since nineteen thirty Georgia's number two actually with four hundred thirty six but since nineteen seventy six Georgia has executed seventy four people to Texas five hundred sixty three. Oh my gosh. And since seventy six Virginia's actually second and then Florida is third. Both have over a hundred would not have guessed Virginia, Florida. I probably would have guessed Texas. I knew but wow, that's a significant. That's a that's a long gap between number one and two. Yeah. In Texas is always been criticizes death penalty. Happy. I would say that's a fair characterization say proves wrong, Texas. You can't do it. Yeah. So so remember, we said that everybody was like, no, no, more electric. Let's find something else. They went to the lethal injection. Yeah. Which is supposedly more humane. Reading this article by a law, professor named Austin Austin Surat who basically said, you know, those two two prisoners in Tennessee in December of two thousand eighteen alone opted for the electric chair because they didn't have faith that lethal injection was going to be less painful or less prolonged they wanted the electric chair instead and that up to this point every time we've changed what our method of execution is it's been. Technologically. Speaking, socially, speaking of step forward in that in that kind of area and that going back to the electric shows a huge step backwards him at represents a major crisis in the legitimacy of the death penalty. And he was kind of wondering without saying it like is this is this the beginning of the end for the death penalty in the United States again interesting. I thought so too. But that's electric chairs you can buy one. Or you could I think it's all one sold in two thousand twelve Tennessee's old sparky sold in two thousand twelve I'm not mistaken. Really? Yeah. Online auction for twenty five thousand dollars Marilyn Manson. I don't know. I heard it was being put in a museum in Tennessee's probably not. Gotcha. But that's the lectures, like, I said everybody, and if you know more about them, you can go look around the internet. You can also just leave this behind forever. It'll kind of be nice to shed. This one because it was some grim research. Yeah. Since I say sorry for putting us through this Chuck this is Josh pick, buddy. Since I like halfway through research today. I was like man, I just feel bad right now. You know, and then he had a Panini and everything was okay. Yeah. It was a penny for sure. Sure. Since we said Panini, it's time for listener mail. I'm curious if you're gonna this is the one, Josh. But here we go. Hey, guys, just recently listened to started listening to podcasts because apparently, I'm a Luddite. So I've been waiting my way through the old episodes. I listened to the one on sounds, and I wanted to let you know, there is a holiday in just outside of Toledo Perry's Berg, did you see this? Yeah. I did. I responded actually. Okay. Well, I can't wait to hear what happened. It's it's called the holiday and French quarter which used to be a holiday home, and to which it is possible to have or was possible to have a pool membership. In addition to three polls in a large hot tub, the hotel has a large sound, and I am positive that. This is the Holiday Inn Josh's dad took him to when he was a kid staple for over fifty years. Unfortunately, the hotel will be closing the end of the month after losing its holiday and flag to a new build. That is from Deanna pollen. Yup. Is that the one no it's not, but I by family, my family used to go on staycationing at that. French quarter holiday really like to towns over and it was like, it was pretty awesome. When you're a kid, I think she's kind of under selling it. The three pools in the hot tub, like the pools were meandering all over the place like bridges over them. So you swam under bridges, they would go out. So they're indoor outdoor pools. It was pretty awesome, the my pool membership and saw a membership was that the Holiday Inn near Southwick mall, which that Holiday Inn is now a in assisted living tower. I believe but for a little while in between being a Holiday Inn and being in assisted living tower. It was abandoned and one of the coolest like photo sets. You can look at our Bannon hotels and somebody went to the trouble of getting photos inside this abandoned holiday, and it's really cool, including the pool. So just look up to think. Abandoned holiday in Toledo, Ohio Southwick mall. Maybe probably bring it out. Well, maybe I'll end up there. One day bring it full circle. Yeah. 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MakerDAO & Nori 101 From ETH Denver

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MakerDAO & Nori 101 From ETH Denver

"Yulia and the average concerns guide cryptocurrency this Matthew Aaron in today, we are going back to f- Denver, and we're going to talk to companies the first company we heard last week with room Christensen. And he told us about maker Dow one a one die one on one and a little bit about himself. But we're going to revisit maker Dow with Mario Conti who is their head of Oracle's. And we talked about many different aspects that weren't talked about in the last couple sewed AMI also talk about Argentina and how he in South America perceives crypto currency and digital assets. Then we talk to Nori, and we have Nori went to one which they're going to tell us about helping climate change by using blockchain before we get into that conversation. Please go to crypto one-to-one podcast dot com. There you can find our social media's or Twitter or Facebook or Instagram. 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We are people from all over the world building on the blockchain or representing the blockchain space in one way or the other and we all come to Denver three thousand of us to build hack in chat with each other. So it's really cool to meet you rope. Thank you. Thank you, my favorite Akhavan. It's actually this one. It's so many people so many projects, and I come in to see this is only Friday, we have two days off offense left, and I can't wait to see what they built so maker Dow is becoming very big into non ass- with utilizing crypto currency and blockchain adoption, I want to go into what you guys been working on. I think that if I'm not wrong, we have a Buffy die that is being used right now with the food trucks outside. I have sixteen Buffy die on my wallet. I think and. Can use that by I don't know. I think it's not a real estate or some case or some fish tacos out there. I wanna go in that in a minute. But before we go into everything that maker Dow is doing tell me a little bit about yourself, sir. So my name is Madonna. I come from Titus a container. I lived in Mexico City for a few years and I've worked for maker for the past two and a half years. I initially started developer, and then got more and more involved with the project and that up being like, you said the head of Oracle's I implemented the whole strategy, the whole smart contracts that whole software and business out of it. And we've been running my oracles for well, I will say our oracles for almost two years. And now a whole bunch of projects use them as well. So I asked this on another podcast just this actually a couple of minutes ago. If people listeners if you're listening, you might hear this again, I was interviewing somebody and we asked the same question. What isn't oracle? Can you? Give us an oracle one. Oh, one a blockchain. It's a self contained. System. It knows nothing about the outside. So an oracle is a way to get data from the outside world into a blockchain. That's what does that mean. For maker. Dow for make though we actually two different price feats, we need the price of ether in dollars. And we need the price of 'em Kiara token in dollars, and those are our two main Oracle's excellent. So what does make her doing right now with the blockchain, and can we go into a little bit about what you have done. What you're doing now, especially with F or eighth Denver. However, you want to pronounce it. Yeah. So maker we build the dice stable coin. And this is the flagship of maker. It's a token. It's a cryptocurrency that's one one to the dollar. So one die is one USD. And there's snow volatility involved, but it has all the advantages of cryptocurrency you can send it anywhere for minimum fees. It's unbelievable stoppable, and it can integrate with almost any project in the Therion blockchain. So when you say, it's it's one to one with the dollar is it really paid one on one with the dollar or is it ever wanna one? Oh is what we call a soft peg. Okay. So there can be market conditions that make it go a little bit higher or lower in price. And we have systems available that will control the supply and demand. There's mechanisms that the market can do to move the price either up or down depending on how it going. So if die is selling for over one dollar we have. Nissim place that can increase supply. So the price goes a little bit down. And if the price is going under a dollar, we can increase fees. So there's more demand for it than it goes back up, but it it is soft pact. What is the lowest has ever been in the highest die has been? And I'm asking that. Because a lot of people have had criticism for the USD because of that it's not exactly paints. The Dow, you know, some days, it's ninety seven cents ninety cents one zero three like, you never really know. But if the point of stable quaint is to be stable, and it's flopping around why the hell have a stable coin stable into in the short, medium and long-term if you look at the price on all terms. If if you look at the price on a single day. It can vary a little bit. But actually, the conversant with us the t would not be that. It would be the difference. Is that US says that they have an amount of money locked in a Bank? Backing the coin meanwhile, die has ether locked up in a smart contract that you can actually audit and see that the backing values there, but going back to the price the lowest it's been so for example for the last month, it was hovering below one dollar. And so there was a few governments calls and the decision was made to increase the stability feet. So before it was syrup point five percent per year. So that's what you paid for a loan in die in a whole year. And we increased to one percent the idea is to actually have that move the price of backup a little bit closer to dollar. It's a little bit more. Expensive to borrow die. And so people who already have debt in died. They will want to buy in the market to pay back their debt and us since you increased demand for die. The price will go. I guess the easiest use case for die. At this moment is just a floppy or your f- holdings or bitcoin holdings into a stable coin. So they don't appreciate or depreciate, especially if you're running your business using theory, or what have you in the price could be a one hundred and twenty or five hundred or whatever time frame, you're in to her lock it in a certain price is that how you see that most people are using it or is there. Another other use cases devas just one of multiple use case if the simplest one is like you said just to hold of die. And then you have a cryptocurrency that stable, so if somebody's getting paid in ether or becoming or in any other token, they can instead choose to be paid in die, and they don't want to speculate with their salary, for example. And if they do they wanna. To grab a piece of that. And by another token, dick and totally do that. But they know that for example, they have to pay for rent expenses. Whatever. Another very good. Use case is actually leveraging people who have a lot of ether. They lock it in the smart contract, and they borrow die. And they used a die to buy more ether. And you can go up to I think it's three X leverage, and it is pretty risky because if the price goes down, then you can be liquidated like a margin call, and then a lot of people just do not want to spend every right now when we're talking about this the prices around one twenty, but it's been fourteen hundred so say how either I do not want to spend it now because I believe that it's going to go up. But so I can put some of the eat into a CD and borrow diagnosed it and use die. It's my medium of exchange and slowly pay back that loan using my paycheck because I believe that the price is going to go up. This is of course, Benny on the price of threat. Right. That's one of the main use cases that we see you guys have created a payment system for. This event Buffy is that correct cintoss not only a little bit about it. And I don't you go into this. And I want to be a little bit bullish here. Because I think a lot of people don't know that a lot of things are happening on the blockchain already. And this is one thing that's happening. And they are people down outside even here right now. Don't know what's happening right now on the black chain. Can you go into that? If I if a collaboration between maker and Austin Griffith who built the burner wallet, which I'll get into it and networks who built the STA chain. So essentially, this is how it works. There's a side chain to a theorem called X die and some other chain the proof of thority instead of proof of work, and there's like five second block times. So confirmations are extremely fast. And the idea is that you get your die on the main chain. And you move it through a bridge to this other exta chain and within this you have feasts that are negligible and confirmations in the second. So people can really use this token that we call Buffy die to transact almost instantaneously. And we partnered with a love the foot trucks around here. So you just scan a QR code and in five seconds, you pay for your dog your meal, whatever and this is. Happening right now. And I'm trying to get statistics on it. But we're already in the tens of thousands of dollars transacted race today. And we've just started we see that there's a use case for blockchain transactions currency right now, we're using it right now, I was on the other day, and and Richard heart. I don't know if you know who Richard is Bridget Hart said bitcoin as a currency network is dead. It's has failed. He says this because of how long has taken to be adopted. He said, look if you look at Uber lift Facebook Twitter, it took five years to get these guys going to get people really excited about it. Why? Because really good product with really good products have really fast option because people need it people. See the use case for it. Do you believe in? How bullish are you on say stable coins to be the maybe crypto currency the digital asset or the digital currency for the future? And also, you agree with what Richard says about bitcoin is a failed currency network. Personally. I wouldn't go that far a little extreme media. But I do feel that a lot of people do not want to spend their bitcoin. They don't want to have another between pizza event where you buy something. And then next year, you could have bought a house for what you bought I think they could have a CD. I think by now, right? Yeah. Like a year and a half ago. The those two pizzas were worth tens of millions of dollars. Yeah. And we'd a stable on you know, exactly how much you're spending. And if you use the system proper to actually borrow and create this dye, then then you're essentially, not spending your valuable token, which is Ethan in this case, but could be bitcoin in the future. I do think that stable cones are the future or otherwise, I wouldn't be working for maker. I think this is like the project to be around because we're doing something that is going to impact the whole industry and not think bitcoin failed project, but there does need to be something not a project, but failed currency or payment network. Well, because Richard heard things rate store value, but not a payment network. Well, I would agree then in that case. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a good way to spend spend money. It's a good store. Bali? Let's say, yeah. I would agree with that. So with all these people coming over here, I'm gonna be laying ended up a little bit with all these people coming over here to Denver and and being here in Denver. What do you find value in it? Why does people fly from Argentina hallway over to Denver Colorado to hang out with some nerves hacking an event in a warehouse? Well, the sermon deputy of it all if amazing, by the way, nurses, a positive. All right. Not a negative. No. Yeah. I myself. So for example, there's a platform called kickback that you can use right now it's for events. So you create an event and use a cell say one hundred tickets, and you sell them for point five ether. And if you sell all those hundred tickets, then if only sixty persons show up then they get the money from the other forty between them. So that's a good way to make people really go. If they sign up they're going to go because they're vested image. Right. And they only use if they don't use die, and I've been meaning to get them to use die for a while. So last night, I'm having dinner and Makoto who's the founder of kickback shows up, and I can tell him in person. Please put die in the system. And today, I'm onstage talking about maker die and shame him public. With one of my slides. Telling him that. Hey, you should cover a dying to your product because it's great. But the other day I spent what was maybe fifty dollars worth of eath that maybe next year it's five hundred. I don't wanna spend eat I want to spend. And so that's like the interactions with people and the way projects can come together. That's what I believe the most about this offense. Glenn Beck to die is good for it. And I want to see if you can give me a one on one tutorial of how to manage the say my business. I was dumb. I was getting paid in a theory him for my podcast at nine hundred dollars in theory. And I think when it was nine hundred thirty three weeks later month later is four hundred I lost half of my revenues, and I still had to run the business and pay. How would you manage funds with die? If you were doing a business like me. First off I would have people pay in die or or if they have to pay in another currency, I with converted to die on the spot. So how does money usually go around do that shift? You can use. We have partnership with the several projects you can use UNICEF up. You can use caliber there's an off ramp via wire, but you can hear right now, isn't that? Yeah. I think they are. Decentralized listening. You just heard the third guy. There's somebody just hanging out here by in the room joining in but. But the thing is. Yeah. I would convert any cripple I get to die on the spot. So I would know how to budget my business. It's like if I get one ether right now. And it's one hundred twenty I would convert it to one hundred and twenty die, and then I know how one hundred and twenty dollars because I know I can pay I don't know a month of hosting with the hundred twenty because otherwise I get that one east and tomorrow, it could double and that would be amazing, but it could also have half. And so that's what I would say and other projects that do have like a war chest of ether. We've seen that a lot of them are actually borrowing diagnosed it with the hopes that they're eat that was once very valuable can become valuable a lot more volatile again. And then they're dead is going to be a lot cheaper to repay. Right. So again, how would you manage somebody's business expectations with the die? If they don't want to. Cash out a theory him because they don't want to miss that. Doubling. I hate given financial advice. Vice man, this business advice financial vice this. How do we run a business if you have one hundred dollars right there, and you have to pay your hosting do you take the risk of seen a double or having an how how can I help you with that with that with managing those two choices? I think the depend on the person and their expectation of risk. But what I would do. And what I do. Most of the time is I borrow against my conservatively like very very conservative like, and I pay my bills often always would die, and I pay back my lungs with my. With my salary, which is also painting die, and I would tell people that if they are up to that task if they do have a war chest of eat doesn't have to be a lot. But the system requires that you have at least a dollar fifty worth of e for every dollar that you borrow, but that's like being extremely if if goes down a couple of cents then you can get liquidated. So for me to be safe. You would need to have at least three dollars worth of ether in the system for every dollar every day that you borrow and that's a good way Aragon is doing that. They opened the CD they took out a million in debt, and they've been paying salaries with that right on right on comments on GP Morgan's stable coin, do you feel threatened or is this a good thing? I think it's a good thing because they're volleyed dating. What we do. And they've done a complete one eighty. Their position. And it's something that we knew that what's going to happen. And everybody knew it. I think they knew it. For sure. Right on right on follow up to that. As a stable coin. You don't feel threatened with big banks trying to get in here to lock that market. No. I don't because what maker Dow offers is decentralisation and transparency right now, we have our version of die called it a single collateral die. So everything talked about you can only borrow against ether. Our next better Shen multilateral diet. You're going to be able to borrow against a whole bunch of different assets. And that's going to be the big one point till so to speak, and I think when people realize how maker works and how you can actually see that every everyday out. There is backed by. More. Just worth more the acids than the actual die out there to you know, that the system works, and it has worked from when we launched Eastwood's was around eight hundred and went to fourteen hundred and then to eighty five and we didn't lose or peg. So I don't think we should feel threatened. Of course, there's going to be project or people that use it we've seen speculators. The flock probably more to US DT or maybe another stable coin. But the actual builders of projects people who are working on open source who are bettering the cassisi of ethereal and others. They're using. The US dollar on the blockchain if Morgan's go in one dollar to one JP Morgan coin, why do we need random companies in the space and I'm not saying random, but new companies taping Morgan is old. They're established the dollar is known. It's there nobody can deny it. Why do we need maker? Dow, why do we need USD? Why do we need these other companies? And why do we need the headache of blockchain in scams and hacks and losing private keys and all that shit. Well, Lehman Brothers all the went bust. I will give you my answer just dropped the bike and walk out the door. Now, I will give you my answer as a an Argentinian and Esa Latin American we'd do not trust banks. We've had banks take our savings and convert our dollars into Bess wills. So they're worth like twenty percent of what they used to be worth. We've seen all that happen. And there's just a portion of the world that does not trust centralisation, and we'll never do and we've found with this blockchain technologies, we've found something that we actually believe in because it is to centralize it is transparent. It is unstoppable. And for those kind of people like me were never going to go with a Bank. I don't want to say never. But they just do not keep me the satisfaction that I need to say. Yeah, I'm going to use them. I cannot speak for somebody in the US. Maybe that you're Konami is a lot more stable, and you do not have forty five percent inflation a year. So I don't know what I would say if I were nother that's very that's a very good point. And I appreciate that in ninety two questions came from that. And I know that we're going way over time. But I'm very curious in your opinion. Do you think that these either developing countries South America Africa, the stance or even places like, you know, southeast Asia will be leading the charge in cripple and in butting Dopson just because of the stability that it has. And do you think that the western world? Do you think the developed nations the the United States are just naive? I think that developing nations are already leading the charge. If you look at what's going on in Venezuela. And you look at the volume that for example, local bitcoin since doing it is incredible. It's totally boomed. It's amazing. What people are doing and they're using other Blockchain's as well. They're using. Dash through using whatever means they can to try to keep whatever value they have and trying to get money from family. That's elsewhere turned to get the money into the country. And we want to do that with diet, and we have a big push in Latin America starting probably in Argentina. But hopefully going to other countries that actually need this kind of stuff. So I don't think they're gonna be the the flagship they already are they are using this right now. And it's not that the US is naive or developed countries on. It's just that you do not have this kind of problems. Like here, we're using Buffy to buy stuff out in the food trucks. That is a problem as well. It may not be a big problem like what's going on. But it is a problem that we find a solution for pay for your food in five seconds. Before we go. I want to say thank you very much for coming on the show. I want to say thank you very much reaching out to me. There's a lot of people here right now. And to find me in a crowd to send me a text and do all that Lieber. Thank you for doing that labor to find me and coming up here to have a couple of minutes to chat with crypto one on one. And have the listeners a one on one on maker Dow we really appreciate that. Oh, for sure if I can say one of those things, you can absolutely or two we're just. We just launched a dice stats dot com. It's like a vanity dashboard showing the actual numbers that we manage. Almost two percent of all if inexistence you slogged up in our smart contracts right now, and it's like actually one point nine five six, but it's growing everyday, and that'll give you an idea of how big this project is getting right? We hope everybody actually uses said asked the medium of exchange for theory. My last question to you. Let me know how people can learn more about you. Learn more about the project. So of course, maker Dow dot com, that's the main website, and we're always on our chat at chapter maker. Dow dot com. You will always find somebody over there. And you can learn about the projects and the people in it and what we do. And where we're going. Oh, thank you very much for coming on the show. And thank you very much for allowing me to pick your brain in tone us one. 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And if you think you can bring value to ICO's than hit me up on Twitter. We'd love to have you on the show. I'd love to see what kind of value. You can bring Aaron paw. It was great hearing from you again. And I can't wait to hear the new direction of ICO went to one, sir. Paul gamble CEO and co founder of Nori welcome to krypton Windsor. Thanks for having me. You are going to tell me about climate change and blockchain integration. You guys are doing some interesting work. I don't know much about it. I don't know anything about it. And that's why you're here to go one to one in your company. But before we go into that tells a little about yourself, sir. My background is I was a software product manager for Deloitte consulting for a number of years, we build mobile apps for companies like Nike and target and Alaska Airlines that sort of thing, and I started mining bitcoin in two thousand ten I found it found out about it from a professor in grad school, and I got really interested in it right away. So I've just been kind of in the blockchain space working software for a number of years and about four years ago. So this is twenty fifteen I had read an article about how climate scientists are becoming very depressed. Because no one was listening to them. And that was what you wanted to work on change, and and not just work on it. But figure out how to solve it like, let's make this problem. Go away, not just be less bad. So when did you get into blockchain that was doesn't ten to ten buy bitcoin? Yeah. I bought it. And I was mining whoa. He's still had. I have used a lot of that for the company. Oh, wow. Okay. Good. That's fucking dope. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a virtuous circle. Right. I'm right on actually I want to go into that a little bit when you were mining and huddling your two thousand ten bitcoin up until when did you start the company two thousand seventeen two thousand seventeen when you decided to use those funds. Was it hard to part with it? I second of all you must really believed in what you had envisioned. Yes. Yes. To both. It was it was very hard to part with a lot of it came. Actually, I started investing in theory 'em, right after the Dow hack, I was really impressed with the way that the foundation handled that and the way that the blockchain rallied around it and then got involved in token tonight CEO's in two thousand seventeen so I've long believed in the power and ability of Blockchain's to improve in Saul social problems, and this is to me one of the most important social problems. So. I believe so strongly in this. I've been dedicating my life to this for four hundred money and my money at this point. But I see those as one of the same. So in the end, it wasn't that Harvard decision. It's just tell you. It is very hard. When like pressing that sell button, really. A lot of how tillers early how tillers but bitcoin and are now using it to put back into the blockchain space to cripple space either by building by advocating by being angel investors. And what have you why don't people just cash out become millionaires by lambo in-store rolling around? What is it about the early adopters that make them continue to work in the space? Since you're one of those. Well, it's the thing that attracted you in the first place when I found out about bitcoin from the professor in grad school like I said who is teaching us about how trading markets worked. We were looking at it bitcoin market as an example. And I got really excited read the white paper and instantly started thinking about the ways in which this can be used to decentralize trust and really helped solve some are scale coordination problems. I still very much believe in that. And and want to see that happen. That's the world that I want to live in and these problems aren't going to go away on their own somebody has to work on them. So why not us? You're a tricky, aren't you? Yeah. Probably more so more. So than like Star Wars guy, I seen ration-. It's my. Yeah. I'm feeling it here. I'm feeling the trek vibe on SDN g right here, bro. I actually while. I was in grad school wrote a paper on the leadership lessons from John Louis card. I wrote my undergrad thesis. On kinds of philosophy juxtaposed it with Star Trek. I love that. And then I got that from professor I head who was teaching political philosophy in Star Trek. So we would watch episode and then compare it to certain philosophers. Yeah. Ideologies. Anyway, let's go off of that and into Nori Nori climate change. What is it, sir? So when people think about climate change, they often listen to what the policymakers at the UN are talking about. And so your listeners might have heard about the report from last fall, which talked about the one and a half degrees or two degrees. Temperature increase target. I think that that's sort of silly. When when they talk about temperature targets, they're what they're doing is. They're saying the average global temperature they want to keep that from increasing by two degrees from the baseline before the industrial revolution. But finding an average global temperature is sort of like finding an average global phone number. Like, what does that mean? I think much more useful metric is to look at the amount of the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So today that said about four hundred and ten parts per million and before the industrial revolution began it was between two hundred eighty three hundred parts per million. So our goal. Our collective goal is a planet should be. Let's get that number back down to three hundred from a nonscientific person that just looked at those who numbers it doesn't seem like that big of a climb. You're right. And actually when I was in college, I was politically conservative and Iran, the college Republicans my sophomore year, and I actually organized an event that was called think you're causing global warming think again, and it had a nice little cartoon of a polar bear sipping on my tie on tropical beach. And it was for the same reason. I didn't think that changing carbon dioxide levels about much really made that much of a difference. But. Was way wrong about this is it's very simple and straightforward to measure carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. There's an observatory at Manoa in Hawaii that records this every season, and we can use ice cores to look at what it's been in the past. And we can quite clearly see the effects of what increasing carbon dioxide levels has done in the past to changing temperatures on earth. You said two very interesting things there. The first one was what is the global average temperature is like trying to find the global average phone number. Would you say that people who think that the average temperature news reporting and they're skeptics of global warming or climate change because of that might be validated by just what you just said. Maybe maybe not when it comes to the skeptics of climate change one. I think that worries approach to how we're going about it should be amenable to them because we're not saying anyone should be required to do anything. And what is that approach? Okay. So let's dig into that we are focused on carbon removal. So if we want to get that four hundred and ten parts per million number back down to three hundred we need to remove greenhouse gases that are already up in the atmosphere because even if we turned off all of our emissions everywhere around the world tomorrow. There's still way too much CO two up there and other greenhouse gases c o two of the most important one. So there it turns out that there are many different ways to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Some of them are cost effective. And some of them are not some of them are ecological in scope and some of them are or industrial. But what they all need is more financial invest. -ment in order to scale up. So we are building is a marketplace. That makes it as simple as possible for people or companies or governments to pay for removing co two from the atmosphere in a measured and verified incredible way. What does that mean for say a steel factory in Cleveland, Ohio? So we sort of think of carbon dioxide like garbage problem like for decades over one hundred years, we've just been throwing our garbage out on the streets. And we haven't been collecting picking it up at all. And most I I that people take for climate change today are about saying, let's throw out less garbage. But we need to go out and remove the garbage that's already there. Right. So we think of it like for every ton of co two that anyone admits they should just pay for removing co two and that helps Saul some of the political problem because there isn't anything immoral or wrong about emitting carbon dioxide to the. Fear people should be free to manufacture products and fly around the world, and and do whatever Mike cause emissions, but they should pay for cleaning it up in the same way that we pay for collecting garbage numbers that agree with that. I personally have a big beef with recycling to be honest with you, I'm with you. And the reason why I have a big recycling. And we'll you might not be with me. But it might be okay. Let's see here is that they keep passing or pushing the bug to the consumer. It's the editor on your coke bottle in the added taxes on your neighborhood fees, or your city city fees or your city taxes to get recycling truck to come out and pick up the recycling because you have to separate it. And then you have to pay for the recycling, and they need you don't see any returns from that. Why don't we charging? The Coca Cola to pick up the shit ton of plastic bottles, oceans or the Ken rings, or whatever I think because it's too difficult to to know how much to charge them and to it's also difficult to enable that transaction, and that's really like. The exact problem that we're trying to solve. But like you're saying you're making it their responsibility. If you put a ton of CO, two usually clean up a ton of CO two if you manufacturer one thousand plastic bottles, and he should take one thousand plastic coke bottles back. So that's the future that I want to live in. But it's going to take a multi phase approach to get to that point. We're taking a voluntary approach to this. So when when we think about who is going to be buying these carbon removal certificates, it's going to be mostly corporations today. And there are two different types of corporations that we are in talks with about buying these the most obvious one would be companies that are already offsetting their emissions for corporate, social responsibility reasons, these are companies that are in all sorts of different industries and they're claiming their carbon neutral because they're buying offsets. They're doing so because they want to be recognized as leaders in their industry for that. There's a growing body. Of evidence over the last five ten years or so that there's been a cultural shift consumers care about buying from brands that Aleve a positive social impact in the world. And companies are starting to recognize that big investment groups like black rock are the CEO of BlackRock has said very explicitly and publicly that they want companies that they hold shares in to be moving in this direction. So all signs are pointing towards people moving in that way voluntarily but that's not quite a big enough scale yet. But it'll get there, and we need to create the infrastructure. So that when they are ready. They can buy these easily the other types of corporations that we're talking with our large food producers, and it would probably help to explain why the food producers interested and how that relates to how carbon is actually getting removed. There are all sorts of different methods like mentioned, we're focused initially on the ecological method of storing carbon in agricultural soils. So this is farmers changing their farming practices to reduce the amount of tillage that they do the amount of plowing the land they plant cover crops, and they do more crop rotations among their different fields. And what that's going to do is actually encourage the growth of organic matter in their soil bacteria, and fungi and worms, and that sort of thing, and there's a very symbiotic relationship between that organic matter and the root systems of the plants by doing this practice is not only are the farmer sequestering carbon and their soil and pulling it out of the air through photosynthesis through the plant plants are acting like funnels to go into the soil, but it's also restoring the health and quality of their soils, which will overtime increase their yields. So for the farmers. This is a good deal because over time they're going to be producing more food, ideally at a decreased cost so this is a more profitable venture for them. But for the food producers these are companies like. General mills and Cargill and known McDonald's. Ben and Jerry's all of these companies have been interested in figuring out how to get the farmers in their supply chains to switch over to these practices. But because for them, it's like an investment in their supply chain. They wanna make sure that they're getting access to high quality commodity crops in the future. They've all been putting millions of dollars in waiting many years to develop a method for measuring and verifying this, and we're showing up and saying, hey, we can do this right now for you, and we can make this very simple. So do you wanna come participate? We can make this very simple participate. We have right now. A lot of blockchain companies a lot of people are saying that in the space right now walks through the operations of a company going into your platform using token makes getting everything we just talked about August through the steps seizure. Sorry, I should clarify. We're not live yet. But we intend to go live later this year when a farmer removes a ton of CO two it has to be measured and verified because you can't see or smell CO two. And we have to figure out the number somehow. So we're working with a group at Colorado state university called comment farm, and they do modeling where they take in all sorts of different data about the the cropping practices at the farmers are using this like what they're planting where their fields are located what kind of fertilizer, they're using all that kind of stuff combine that with imagery data, and whether data and all sorts of other models and common farm is really the world's leader in this. And they also take soil samples from different regions around the country, the farmer submits that data to us, and then to calm if arm and then it has to be verified by an independent third party verifiers. So they they signed a stamp of approval that. Yes, data that the farmer provided is true and accurate, and then comment farm can return number that says this is how much carbon is in your soil and by doing these practices. This is how much more you're going to put in your soil. So we can reward them for that by issuing carbon removal certificates to the farmers for that. When the farmers have these CRC's wins before that you were them for issuing the certificate. Not because of the volume that they're doing the certificate for we issue the certificate, Nori issues, the certificate and armor. Okay. And what about this third party company? I'm just wondering verifiers verifiers. How can there's no way for them to game the system by saying there's more CO two than so the verifiers aren't actually the ones who are saying how much CO two removing. Comet farmers farmers going to con- farm has no incentive to deliver. That's up or down. Because they're not being rewarded by that. Got comic farm is like that's like a service provider for Norrie. So that's our relationship the verifiers would have liability insurance, and they would be the ones who would be responsible for if there was some sort of fraud, but we have mechanisms built into our designed to deal with fraud and talk about that later. So the farmer has this now this measured in verified, and they can choose to sell that in our market, and they can sell that in when they sell that. They receive a Noory token, so Norrie token is a medium of exchange. Think of it like there's a finite number of Nori tokens to be created five hundred million and potentially infinite number of CRC's. So the farmer sells the CRC and receives the Norrie token, and then they can choose to hold onto it or they can sell it. And they can do whatever they want with it because it's still the buyers. So these companies that are just about they buy this. And then it becomes immediately retired that's carbon market language that just means that they can't transfer it anymore, and these CRC's are non fundable tokens in practice. So they're just buying an NF tea, and then they own it forever. And they can't be resold. And then as these Nori tokens circulate around the economy that establishes price, and our hope is that the Norrie token in the price of token, eventually become seen as a global reference price for carbon sort of like Brent crude oil or west Texas intermediate people want to know, what is the price of oil. They look at those references changing gears a little bit because I think we covered Nori equate well from a skeptics point of view, if so what was listening to this and saw your journey of being a conservative preaching about global warming is a hoax climate change a hoax finding an opportunity in blockchain to make a marketplace. That could be very profitable cleaning up CO two. 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Jazz 1959

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Jazz 1959

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There's no no one to stop me from indulging in some of my more pop eccentric sensibilities namely today Jazz Jazz might feel far from the center enter of popular culture but that wasn't always the case at one point in time jazz ruled popular culture and arguably the Zenith of of Jazz's popularity was sixty years ago year that takes on almost mythic proportions in the minds of many jazz lovers nineteen fifty-nine eighty nine journalist Natalie whiner coverage jazz and pop for Billboard Rolling Stone and other outlets and also sports for SB is being nation but she's been chronicling this important year with her nineteen fifty-nine project every day she posts on what happened happened on this day in jazz sixty years ago shining new light on famous musicians and putting some of jazz's forgotten greats back under the spotlight light and we're very pleased that she is here to join us to listen closely to some of the highlights from this pivotal year and then we'll turn the lens to twenty twenty nine thousand nine hundred and think about what role the jazz plays in culture today. Natalie welcome. Thank you so much for having me so so before we dig into some of these sounds. I'd love to hear what led you to start this one thousand nine hundred fifty nine project yeah. I mean the short version Asian is that I was at billboard one of the very few people there who cared at all about jazz and I have been sort of asked to come up with pitches that would allow us is to talk to older jazz musicians and so I thought you know nineteen fifty-nine kind of an obvious starting point not super original but I was like you know. It's definitely a good kind analyzed guiding light and the more research I did into it. I was just overwhelmed by the sheer amount of music and news and Events and and everything that was happening then especially in New York City and like I live in New York so it's basically just my way of time traveling you know 'cause I wish I could have been alive then to to see all of it because it was just such exciting and fruitful time so I was like what about a time line where we had a thing for every day in my editors the way too much work and so I just kept thinking about it and thinking about it and then two thousand nineteen came around and I was like an anniversary year like I kinda have to just bite the bulletin do it since I've been thinking about it for so long and not expect to be able to keep it up for this long but here we are in August so yeah. It's it's an impressive have accomplishment. I also can very much relate if I could go back and be born in different decades definitely timing it to be like in my early twenties around nineteen. Fifty nine is a very appealing option. Yeah I mean fifty nine. It's just you know the sixties have the reputation right like Bohemian Hippie and whatever are you know. All this stuff was happening but ninety nine is Kinda when everything was starting to break open a little bit and there was just like so much creative energy you happening. I mean the beats Kinda get the majority of the credit but one of the reasons that I was interested in like looking more into this project is I feel like jazz needs to be the central ontrol artistic force that we consider when we look at that late fifties era as far as like driving American culture you know not like the beats in the abstract expressionist so you're not that they weren't important but their impact with so much more niche an insular you know whereas jazz really like reached touch so many different aspects of America so now let's talk about some of the blockbuster jazz albums from nineteen fifty nine and I feel like any discussion has to begin with the Miles Davis kind of blue record which today still sells five thousand copies every week and by any metric is like the best selling album of all time best selling jazz album so maybe we can listen to a little bit of Miles Davis's Trumpet Solo from the first cut of this record so what part now that Solo might be familiar millier to a lot of listeners but I'm curious if in revisiting this album as it was actually released in Nineteen fifty-nine if you discovered heard anything new about this really familiar cultural object. That's a really good question. I don't know if I can say that I did did but only because like it's one of those rare moments when the critical consensus in the popular consensus line you know you talk about how this album still sells so many copies like even today but for jazz heads all the same like if you are a jazz musician. You can't sing that Trumpet Solo. You know like you're not yeah like that's like that's like a right of passage just like going really deep on kind of blue and there's a great book by Ashley Kahn and it's just specifically about the making of kind of blue and he really gets in the weeds and listen to like all of the master tapes recorded every single word that was said you know you hear it and that's what people think. Jazz sounds like let's listen to one other kind of seismic album from nineteen fifty nine and then I wanna take that idea. You were just saying like this is the sound of jazz and see what that actually entails like. If we're getting our idea of jazz from Nineteen fifty-nine what is that idea area and I think the other blockbuster bestselling album from this year would be Dave Brubeck X. Timeout. Should we listen in to take five or Blue Rondo Alla Turkey up to eighty five again. It's just one of those records. That's like the thing uh-huh uh-huh doc it to me. This is another album that like you were saying just kind of screams jazz and if these two in classic albums from Nineteen fifty-nine the benchmark for a lot of casual listeners of what jazz sounds like what idea of jazz is being presented to them ver- sure I think it's one that's very refined very sophisticated. You know kind of music that isn't necessarily aggressive in any way you know like kind of blue and timeout or both records that really played on the west coast ideas of like cool you know and miles had already kind of gone into cool stuff with obviously the birth of the cool but like on kind of blue he was really combining that with modal improvisation and so so there's a fluidity and our freedom that comes without any sort of like really intense climaxes or D. Crescendo. Does you know it's kind of like back even Keel a little bit and that makes it play well for better or worse as background music. You know which is why you sort of see these albums sold or a place like starbucks. That's kind of where and like you know. Miles Davis is rolling over in his grave like that was never obviously intention Brubeck. I think you could argue did care about that. They were very different artists but it is interesting that they tapped into such a similar sound at the same time. Both of these records seem to have almost must've dual identity at the time there was something innovative radical pathbreaking about each of them miles Davis as you mentioned using these new food modal textures to explore different ways of improvising Dave Brubeck using in the case of take five that we just listened to very unusual unusual five four time signature today. What I'm hearing is that maybe some of the more radical aspects of that music have been stripped away and it's more the soundtrack of coffee shops and light and cocktail music. I guess I mean I think that's how a lot of people encounter them and I don't even know if the radical aspects have been stripped away necessarily just as much as they were so popular that they've become neutralized. You know like anything anything that one that one point sounds like new in crazy like eventually becomes normal you know if if it becomes widespread enough and so that's kind of what happened here here with other aspects of jazz that didn't necessarily happen as much so that's why some of it still sounds so like wild you know Yeah No. That's a great point. I want to move move now to another event from nineteen fifty nine that continues to hold a lot of mystique and and intrigue for Jazz listeners and that's what you chronicle in the nineteen fifty-nine project is the the gradual decline and eventual death of one of the most important American singers of all time Billie holiday yeah. Her death in that year was obviously a monumental event. I think maybe maybe what is hard to understand that she was like a massive star on the scale like any celebrity death that we would think of now you know like prints or something you know like that's the level at which it was covered and talked about and people knew you know she had been arrested before you know her story was pretty well known she had actually she already published her autobiography and so there was this whole mythology that fair Jasmine Griffin incredible book that I recommend to everyone but it just sorta talks about how holiday like constructed this whole mythology around herself and some of it's true and some of it's not and it's very difficult to disentangle the you know the drug use the prostitution this sort of like notorious promiscuity like Antarctic genius and all of these things that went into like cultivating her public public persona and you know and so that obviously came to a head when she died. I mean her. Last recordings have been controversial for a long time because you can hear that she's in poor health lake in her voice. It's tragic in a lot of ways to here but also you know she's still an artist like. She's still doing her thing. She's not like incapacitated to me. One of the most tragic parts about her death is that she didn't even have her cabaret card New York when she died. She hadn't performed in New York. I don't think at all in nineteen eighteen fifty nine because of her legal issues and it's just like to me that points to the kind of systemic racism and discrimination that was more than handicapping the caffeine for artists of that period you know because it's just like that's there's no reason why that should have been the case you know but yeah it's really interesting you point out in in your your posts on the topic that the way her death was reported was very different to depending on whether it was a more mainstream news outlet or a an outlet more focused on black readership like in some of the more mainstream accounts. It's very death is very sensationalized and in and and others as you say it's in the jet piece for instance it's much more focused on Billie holiday as as a victim of some of these more systemic forces that you're talking about right and the in fact that was recognized even at that time you know I think a lot of times we assume that like were only able to notice these things in hindsight you know but like there were people at the time saying like no. Billie holiday is a victim of the system you know which I think was and I mean black papers chronicle. Her death like I mean there was a three part series. The reason the Chicago defender like from the guy who co wrote her autobiography and he's kind of questionable you know but still the fact that they took a serialized account of her death. You know it's it's like this was it was a huge huge deal you know and I I duNNo. I posted this and I will just tell everyone to read it over and over and over again but James Baldwin commemorated commemorated her death like the month that happened in commentary and it's actually wrapped up in a review of Porgy and bess which was another massive jazz moment of Nineteen fifty-nine Intertwines Her story with the movie in this way. That's just like devastating unperfect as most things James Baldwin are but yeah. Let's listen to a bit of Billie holiday in her prime to get a sense of of why her her death was was such a big deal. let's listen to a a bit of a classic recording like her version of. Blue Moon the show me standing without a dream in Love Blue Moon. You knew just one long Mitch saying so so this clip has so much of the aspects of holiday style. Oh that would prove so influential the incredible rhythmic control kind of laying these phrases slightly behind the beat manipulating a Melody Lady from its original contour to fit her sort of artistic vision and then that Timbre that word start to feel like a what I was just thinking about is how like that sound like how distinctive she was it sort of defined an era. You know that late forties early fifties time and so her death along with the death of Lester young who was one of her frequent collaborators and also a legendary jazz musician he died a few months once before in New York inspired song goodbye pork by hat which is a famous Charles mingas tune their death sort of marked the end of an era in a way for jazz and that's another reason why nineteen fifty-nine is such an interesting turning point you know because you're seen not necessarily the first generation but one of the earlier generations kind of like move-on John Louis Armstrong was still active. You know and he's kind of like the grandfather of it. All you know which creates this interesting overlap but you're seeing some of the marquee figures pass you know and so then there's this question of like who is the torch going to you know whereas the music going etc etc so that's like another kind of interesting thing about billy's billy's death but I mean aesthetically. It's just like I mean she's one of the geniuses of American music period and you said it's just for her very intentional ability to channel like such strong storytelling into her music using an array of devices that traditionally instrumentalists us more than singers you know and so that was what kind of set her apart yes she. Her aim was to sound like the saxophone of Lester young who you just mentioned and you can turn on the radio dial today and you have a high probability of hearing someone influenced whether they I know it or not by Billie holiday but there are also I think a few contemporary singers who might owe a very specific debt and of the many tube food that really come to mind for me are amy wine house who in this recording will listen to his actually reinterpreting Billie holiday number. There is no greater love. Oh great you know sweetest saw It's kind of Uncanny to me to listen to that. recording decades after holidays death. I mean she's almost I mean it. You know it's like that close that you're like. You're towing the line a little. You Bet I'm kind of honestly I was a little surprised. You brought up amy wine house 'cause for me. The clearest billy accolade is actually eric abide you but you know I. I don't no no. That's like right. Here is now you read my mind. Our next clip is from Erica bye. Do this on on there you go Breath module keeps them. We are on the same wavelength. It's interesting because it's not you know sometimes and we'll talk about this tomorrow a little later but sometimes moments where I you know as a jazz fan. I'm like Oh very good very wistful like Oh. No you know no. No one listens to this music anymore it. It doesn't matter in our society but then you listen to someone like Erykah Badu and you know this this. Some of these sounds from nineteen. Fifty nine are still very much with us today with Erica. It's the idea of singing in a way that doesn't have to be pretty. I you know what I mean. It's really manipulating your voice in a way. That's like just having so much control that you can do that. You know it's like it's really really hard and also just resisting the temptation to be overly romantic or like. Yes Yeah Style Jack so earlier you mentioned Billie holiday's final recordings and for me one of the powerful parts of Oh you're nineteen fifty-nine project and revisiting. This pivotal year was listening to those recordings again. Let's listen first to a A recording of a tune called Billy's blues from earlier in Billie Holiday's career. It may laugh. I say I don't love. I love my may say Oh ask and now let's listen to a recording running of the same song this time from actually the last recording that Billie holiday made alive session at the Story Ville Club up in Boston and just as a warning the the audio quality here is is not great but it will give us a chance to compare these two versions of the same song. I love my I laugh I love my lab mm-hmm now. I'd always avoided listening to these last recordings you can hear her control of of Pitch Action and Vibrato isn't quite the same. It made me almost uncomfortable to listen to but I think you suggest like a different way. Okay to to hear some of these final recordings yeah I mean I just think it's like I don't know with age comes wisdom you know she was like it's not like thinks she wasn't with it until the very end and so I don't know I think you just hear something different. It's like the fact that it doesn't sound the same as actually good you know like. Would you want. I heard to be repeating the same thing that she did all the other times you know. I I don't know I gets her. Ability to adapt. Was a strength yeah. I find that very compelling because it's like you could listen to this in one way and say oh. This is her not at the peak of her powers. Why would I listen to this but then on the other hand. There's this kind of bravery and conviction that comes from someone at the very end of their life still up on stage singing their heart out that is now. I listened to and I'm like how it gives me chills in a way like it's there's something very powerful about it. In in the grand scheme you know existing out for a second like one of the reasons I WANNA do this. Project is because I think it's a year that gets so often canonized is. d- really straightforward ways like we're talking about like kind of Blue Time ow you know shape of jazz to come. Mingo saw like giant steps was recorded this this year's these are all like incredible jazz records that would change the course of what was to come like there's no no question about that but the thing that really fascinates me is just what what would have been like to be a part of the scene at that moment like what did you learn from like listening to more than just those records that have been deemed by whoever to be the best last and most important you know and I I'm not I'm far from the only person who thinks this but like those kinds of history is I think are actually kind of toxic you know and like yeah it can provide a listening listening guide for a beginner somebody just starting out but like what if we decided to retail the whole story from square one and go back and look at all the information we have available and say okay well what was actually happening. What's getting ignored and why who decided that this was good and this was the thing that we need to listen to you? Know absolutely yeah. Those are the kinds of questions. I haven't tried to ask and I love the your way of doing that. It's like okay well. Let's see every single day nineteen fifty-nine. Let's see what was actually happening opening and then we won't fall victim to that sort of looking back in hindsight is Myopia yeah one of the things that gets erased that comes comes through really powerfully in this nineteen fifty-nine project is the stories of the women in Jazz who have not unlike Billie holiday who who have not been favored by history and who have sort of been left on the margins of the story of Jazz like I'm someone who has a a degree in musicology in study jazz but there were a lot of female musicians especially instrumentalists which historically have not been treated as well by jazz historians vocalist. There were so many that I'd never heard of before and that just kind of blew my mind honestly I mean same name. I was hoping we could listen to a few of these forgotton artists and see whether it's something like you were saying like is this. We're we're. We're these artists rightly kind of left behind or is there something else at work here. Let's begin with the you incredible piano stylings of Muriel Roberts who only released one album called music for all times and seasons. This is the first track off that record right. I mean it's like Christmas anural. I think is an interesting case study just because it's like she can clearly play like it's a fun record. You know I'm not necessarily arguing that Muriel Rob Roberts is cannon. You know I I mean if you decide that there should be a cannon but like I think it's more like what was she capable of and what was she not allowed continue to. Do you know like the fact that there's only one record you know and like she was digging in New York. You know that's how I came across. Her name was because I was like looking at ads. It's from the time and it was like Muriel Roberts plane whatever place she was playing doing her thing and I was like okay who is this person and like you're saying that hasn't that's happened to me so so much like in the course of this project and to person who's read about jazz who's played jazz for a long time. Who's written about it. A Lot. You know and these names are new to me so it's like so what does that mean that this whole class of people was just determined like not to have mattered you know. Is it possible that all of them were insignificant and some people like Mary. Lou Williams obviously does get some you know recognition today but even that is like really minor compared to her male counterparts and people like surely Scott God I mean she was everywhere in this year and we talked a bit about Melba Liston who was trombone player. She was doing arrangements for all kinds of like mainstream artists and stuff. It's just you could go on and on and on and on and on and like that's the fact that in doing this project. I really haven't had to try to create gender parody so you know. I don't think that it's fifty fifty you know I think it's probably somewhere along the lines of thirty seventy but the fact that I really haven't had to go out of my way to do that. I've simply paid attention to the women who I've come across. You know like that to me says something pretty damning about how you know about the gatekeepers in jazz at that time and still today you know you're saying that if you just look at what was being reported in the news and who was actually playing in releasing records in nineteen fifty nine nine it would be something. I mean again not with any numbers but like something like thirty seven split in terms of women to men whereas if you look at like say a jazz a history of Jazz textbook today those numbers would probably be a lot smaller. Maybe like ten ninety or something right and the women are. We're all like footnotes. Contributions are deemed derivative and insignificant. You know because in jazz history like the emphasis is so often on originality and innovation and like who is deemed to have done the thing. I you know what I mean and it's just like I find that kind of tiring way to look at it overall anyway but like I just think like the the other issue with not reading. These women into jazz history is that it's meant every subsequent generation of women in Jazz has had to be like the women in Jazz. You know we're still at this point. Where women in Jazz can't just be jazz musicians here. They have to be the women jazz musicians like even in two thousand nineteen and a big reason for that is that they're viewed as new still because this history isn't written you know so and it's the thing you know. I write about sports too. It's it's the exact same problem in every other kind of music. It's the same thing when we don't have women written into the history. They will continue to have to reinvent the wheel every time they do the thing thing you point out on the liner notes of this Miracle Roberts album. There's the the author challenges listeners to do kind of a blindfold testu studio. I forgot about this play this mural roberts records for your friends and see if they can tell that it's a woman pianist. That actually feels like it still has a lot of relevance I almost WANNA play this next clip without identifying the artist and see if we just naturally have certain you know a Masculine Feminine Associations Listening to it Was this the okay so like so I mean I'm GonNa be. I'M GONNA be perfectly real like if you did a blindfold line food full tests with me and played this for me. I would be like this is some you know like seven foot tall and like backwoods. Ed's tenor sax player Male like Super Bowl and it's just got. I guess what I'm saying is this. It is not what you'd expect or what I would expect. This is an artist. I'd never heard of until coming across her. In your ninety nine project will lean Barton Barton just getting absolutely filthy on Tenor Sax and this Blues Number called Rice Pudding and the fact that she played with an all all woman band to which wasn't enormously unusual. It was like unusual enough that it would be like hey look these ladies playing music you know but but there were more than one if that makes sense but yeah it's like she's playing. Are you know on saxophone which really is not a thing we ever really associate with women even now and so just the fact that that was that that existed you know and that she wasn't the only one that many women participated in big bands and in bands all over you know and they just aren't noted and also it was just harder for women to do anything at that time just because of the expectations of getting married and having kids and all that kind of stuff so like the musicians like was not necessarily conducive to kind of the societal expectations for women like you really they had to buck the system just to be a musician in the first place via another striking quote from your project comes from from the aforementioned trombone EST Melba Liston who described the difficulties of keeping together her own all women band in the nineteen fifties. you know people she said she has. She said she had to disband her her. All women group because people had to keep dropping out to get married because they were pregnant because to join the workforce. It's realize yeah to be a decide to be of women. Jazz was not just a musical decision. It was like a whole lifestyle choice that meant you had to lie. Leave a lot of other things behind maybe right and that one that was more or less acceptable for men and like absolutely really unheard of for women. You know like if you wanted to do that. You know it's just like you're saying I can swear but you're like saying everyone else can unstuck basically you know and and most women aren't willing to to do that for a lot of reasons that make a lot of sense and so that makes the the achievements of the women who I have come across in this process like even more striking to me the fact that most of them did only make one record or one single or whatever but like they they did it anyway you know another name we haven't brought up as Dinah Washington who had a massive year in Nineteen fifty-nine and her and Ray Charles actually sort of operated in a similar space that I find super fascinating this like area where R&B and jazz were like overlapping intermingling. I mean you know but they both found enormous success. In this year they kind of had their their breakout singles. Actually both in Nineteen fifty-nine nine died in Washington had what a difference a day made Ray Charles had what I say in in one thousand nine hundred others run uh Dinah Washington also not really critically acclaimed among jazz heads necessarily what a difference friends a day may twenty four nettle our uh-huh and amy wine house was like a big big big Washington Fan. I WanNa take a quick break and then in return to this topic of how do we understand jazz today and what does listening back sixty years to the heyday. Make US think about the role of jazz today okay. It's time to talk binge binge watching brought to you by the Del X. P. S. thirteen laptop and today. We're talking about drum roll please. Mary beards meet the Romans Historical series about ancient Rome. That's right people I know. You're a nerd just face it and if you don't think you're you're a nerd sorry. If you're listening to the show you are a nerd. 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It's the Newport jazz festival and Natalie you were just at the twenty nineteen eighteen version of the Newport jazz festival so based on what you've learned about the festival nineteen fifty nine. How does it compare to what it's like. Today I mean it was definitely bigger. I think just as far as the number of people who went it was like a massive attraction in people drove from all over which they still do and I think in Nineteen fifty-nine it was seen as a harbinger of a larger Roger Trend because it was the first jazz festival but in Nineteen fifty-nine there were a number of other large jazz festivals. The first playboy Jazz Festival was at Chicago Stadium the anniversary that was just this past weekend so that's like a twenty thousand person capacity venue you know like filled with jazz fans and then like there was a Randall's the island jazz festival to that happen later in August so it was just like there was a huge appetite and I would say now. It's definitely a more niche. thing jazz doesn't have quite the same poll for the mass audience but I would say I think things are turning a little bit and have been maybe for for like the past decade because the Internet has made jazz so much more accessible to younger audience. You know like if you WANNA listen to on the Google it and there are so so many hip hop artists and electronic artists who like site jazz and use it in their work. Kendrick Lamar was kind of a huge catalyst for like a new wave have of jazz musicians out of California. You know there's now a lot of local scenes like Chicago and London that really like driven by young adults adults like thirty year olds and under approximately you know so that attracts audiences of the same age in honestly my only real criticism racism of this year's jazz festival was I feel like they're really need to get rid of some of the chairs you know 'cause there's like not enough to stand and watch the people at this point because there are so many young young people who want to be there and you know and be standing appreciating the music and don't bring lawn chairs you know which is kind of the Newport jazz festival a little way is to like bring Your Lawn Chair and plop down at the main stage and just sit there all day. Yeah yeah absolutely get on your feet. I mean that's that's encouraging to me. It makes makes me think of Kendrick. Lamar Omo says a ladder day miles. Davis like making jazz cool a gaming. I I wrote a story. The controversy had that exact title but it was about how you know Kendrick sort of served as a centerpiece for people like Kamasi Washington and thunder cat and terrace Martin who is now in Herbie Hancock's band and he produced Herbie's new album. I believe I could be wrong on that. Yeah that's right but Kendrick was the one who sort of performed the place for all of them to like hit the mainstream you know they were just like jamming in. La like thunder cat obviously his career before but Kendrick sort of brought them all in the room them together with him and his major label you know sort of heft really like skyrocketed them to a different tier and that's fascinating cleaning dinner to see how jazz has become a part of his work. You know I think there was a point in time. Recently where jazz had a reputation that was kind of the opposite of what it was in fifty nine and what you're describing today a moment perhaps in which what what we were talking about that the onset of this episode the way that these landmark records like kind of blue and time out established jazz is maybe sort of refined refined coffee shop kind of style. I've made a habit of anytime popular media like Mocks Jazz. I try to save save it so I wanted to just play one clip that I think captures the attitude that for a long time a lot of people had about jazz. This is from the British British comedy duo the mighty Bouche. Are you aware of the Music Jazz Jazz music the movement of Jazz. What'd you kick account dot jazz because it's the most important twentieth century no listens. The Jazz scientist teaches the mentally ill. That's all jazz back. You Electro ponts walk. You purchased take. I want me taking up. I'll be leaving it out there for all to say drink it back up. No I hate you hate jazz jazz. You you feel like of rules night lack of boundaries. It's offense at soft. What's happening. The shapes the chaos a US has to be simple. Stop these loyalty. Di Di di Di di shut your mouth against abstract. You mess your trousers. Want to your mommy I I I do too but I do think it captures this attitude attitude towards jazz of of being sort of serious into little dry so it gives me a lot of optimism that you think that jazz might be drifting back towards towards some relevance in popular culture and I'm wondering if someone you're you're someone who covers jazz but also the pop world and the the world you've profiled Arianna `Grande and Sheryl Crowe so I'm curious. If you have any thoughts about going from fifty nine to now l. like why jazz might have that relevance today again I think like the assumption sort of that are being played on in that clip like are real well and they're sort of specifically a product of this neoclassical era of jazz almost today era when some of the biggest figures and jazz were fighting really hard to make it part of America's institutions which is kind of a double edged sword. They wanted the music to be taken seriously and to get more resources uses but as a result that meant sort of making elitist you know like a symphony or something or inaccessible or somehow if you don't understand this. There's something wrong with you. You know it's not that there's something bad about the music that you just don't get it and sort of a lot of those kinds of walls were put up. I would save from I'm nineteen seventy-five till two thousand but the distinction has never been as big I think for musicians that has been for listeners many musicians of all stripes drapes like come through jazz or like have played it at some point or listen to it or whatever you know because it's just like music. I think genre often means a lot less to musicians than it does to to listeners listeners but like now that everybody has access to all that information and like Oh. Maybe it's not as scary once you actually listen to a time or two. You know what I I mean like those walls or sort of disintegrating 'cause like the barriers to entry are so low so that's just my take on it but I think even in Nineteen fifty-nine even though jazz was such an enormous part of TV soundtracks movie soundtracks these giant festivals it was like part of our. Mb that was making massive assistive chart moves and stuff like Ahmad Jamal's Poinciana. You know that was a hit you know that was a single that was in boxes so there was a mainstream jazz presence in the way that there isn't necessarily today but it was still associated with the beat. Knicks as this to cool lake stuff for like Weirdo so it was those dual forces at play like one of the reasons that it had such a big impact on TV and movies because people were like. Oh Oh this is code for something like sort of illicit and mysterious the movies that had jazz soundtracks were like anatomy of a murder. What do you think that's about this stuff. That's sort of meant meant to be code for like the dark side or whatever or something like something torrid like I dunno just stuff. That's that's. Let's not for everyone. You know that's not mainstream. That's not acceptable necessarily so it's sort of there were other forces at work there to Natalie thank you so much for for joining us and taking us through some of the discoveries rediscoveries you've come across in exploring the jazz jazz scene of Nineteen fifty-nine I've I've really enjoyed this conversation both because as a jazz headed kind of shines New Light on figures that are known to me and others that are unknown to me and because we fast forward to the president it makes me feel like jazz can still have a place in in popular music today and maybe we're actually inching towards that so without a mind I was hoping you might contribute a few songs to a a playlist that we can share with our listeners kind of a one thousand nine hundred fifty nine to two thousand nineteen plus featuring some of the artists you found from nineteen fifty nine nine some of the ones you're listening to today yeah sure definitely we will throw up link to Natalie's nineteen fifty fifty nine project as well as some of the key tax. 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US forces in Iraq the US government has confirmed that there were no casualties in the Iranian government has said that this will be the extent of their retaliation but before we knew any of this right after the missiles were falling all around our troops. Donald Trump tweeted the following all is well. Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties and damage is taking place now so far so good Then on Wednesday morning he gave a speech where he all. Americans should be quote grateful and happy so Dan it does seem like Iran wanted to give trump an off ramp that he has decided sided to take at least for now Off Ramp is the metaphor. We are using in the last couple of days. That's what it's all over the news. So we're going with the OFFRAMP. Dave Dave Weigel actually got the quote of the day from a democratic member of Congress who told him quote you need to crazy leaders to start a war and fortunately Iran doesn't have one. Do you think that's a good summary of what happened. And and and do you think this positive crisis can last. I think it's an excellent summary of what has happened. So Kudos to you and Michael Jordan. Who helped you put together? I and I think that quote it like you hate to say it because it's so scary when you think about got it because like whenever you talk about North Korea or Syria or anything else in a national security contacts it's always the chaos factor in it is the unpredictable and irrational nature of the opponent. And at least for one day Iran behaved very very irrational. If what if this is what they wanted was a de-escalation of sorts they. They behaved very rationally. And specifically and obviously lots of risk and danger and firing ballistic missiles but to the extent like they send a symbol symbol at home and abroad that that this was responded to incentivize specific message the United States. That the ball's in your court if you want to take a pause here or art de-escalate or whatever the term is and in that sense that did work but trump is dangerously unpredictable. Right all of the stories about how this decision was made. But how who he talked to about it who was influencing in the information that he has where he's getting it from our all deeply concerning turning that we're one cable segment away from heading back to the brink of war. Yeah I mean look I'll take it from the trump side and then the Iranians had from the trump side it's like you just said Like any rabid consumer of television news who becomes the president of the United States. Trump knows Three things about the politics of war Killing bad guys and terrorists is popular Blowing things up with rockets and bombs is popular and makes for Good Television Division and But getting stuck in an endless war is very unpopular so like to me transactions. Also make sense when you you just think about him as as usual just this cable news. Viewer Fox News Fan who becomes President United States and so is he going to do impulsive. Things is like you know killed terrorists even if it has horrible global consequences for the United States and the world. Yes he's going to do that because he can. You know he he. You can just get swept up in a rush to war. Is He gonNA make stupid moves. Send rockets here and there. Yeah of course he's going to do that because that's what you know. Cable News tells you who is Is Strong and good and all that bullshit but he also knows and this has been true from the beginning of the presidency. He knows in the back of his mind because he spent and so much time. You know yelling about George Bush and the Iraq war. He knows that it is at the very least unpopular to get stuck in an endless war. And so he's constantly. Are you going to do these things in foreign policy that don't make a lot of sense Because that sort of what I think Cable News tells us about war unfortunately anyway anyway. That's that's my theory that what do you think that doesn't that seem like. That's that's trump. Yeah I mean he's definitely constantly pulled between two impulses which is his innate mortal fear of being seen weak and his view that a protractive I should land. War is bad politics and he doesn't have to go back and forth between it. I mean David Sanger. New York Times described this like his speech yesterday. A as essentially a strategic muddle masked by a cease-fire and that he trump has been unable throughout his presidency and particularly as it relates to this current crisis ran to reconcile the two. You Impulses has policy which are bellicosity and isolationism. And so he wants to be able to have his and I think this is how he thinks about had his moment of announcing to the world. That the Allama ahead of announcing to the world that bin Laden has been killed but also not not being a position that George W. Bush was in during the Iraq war and so I almost think that if he had gotten more coverage and more attention after the killing of Baghdadi he might not have taken this. Move 'cause in some of the reporting which it's always hard to tell what is accurate and true in any sort of trump story but one of the reportings readings in the Pentagon gave trump series of options to respond to the Arabian aggression involving embassy and they put the killing killing of Sulejmani on the list. Not because they thought would they thought there was no way he would take it. This is very typical bureaucratic. Move to direct a president towards. There's a certain decision by picking a massive overreaction and a massive massive under reaction and then the only option is goldilocks policy be and and that which was a dangerous misunderstanding of trump's brain because he is most likely to pick either massive overreaction massive underreaction and we ended up with overreaction here yeah and we should say from the Iranian side. And you know Ben Rhodes has been saying this to both of us and to everyone else will listen. We're by no means out out of the woods here and while this may have been the official extent of the retaliation in terms of what the Iranians were willing to announce to the world. Our old They still control proxy forces all over the globe The ayatollah himself. It said these military actions are not sufficient for revenge. What is important? Is that the corrupt. After President of America in this region comes to an end so they can buy their time. They can wait months. There can be additional retaliation that perhaps they do not take credit for as as they did this time and again you know. Our operations against Isis have been suspended. The Iraqis don't seem to want us in the country anymore and and you know perhaps most frighteningly. The Iranians have resumed their pursuit of a nuclear weapon which was on pause when Donald Trump trump took office because of the Iran deal which maddeningly is not getting enough coverage because everyone has a memory read the size of a p these days who works in the news business well in fairness all of us because for a brief millisecond. I thought today was my wedding wedding anniversary. Thanks to you I have to. I have to look in the Mirror on this one. Yeah so trump remarks on the retaliation with such an awed delivery that Hashtag adderall was trending on twitter In those remarks he announced new economic sanctions on Iran. He said he welcomes peace. And then he actually blame Barack Obama for the attack quote Iran's hostility substantially increased after. The foolish around nuclear deal was signed in two thousand thirteen and the missiles fire last night at us and our allies were paid for with the funds made available by the last administration just a fucking unbelievable. un-american revolting thing to do blames his predecessor for an attack on the forces that Obama actually lead once as commander in chief With a complete lie but aside from just discussing wasn't in the lie. Hi It self. How painfully stupid is it to blame? Barack Obama for what has happened over the last week. Well let me ask you a couple of questions just so we can get a level set of factors actor when the Iran deal was in effect was Iran firing ballistic missiles at US military basis They were not what they were. Not Okay thank you. When the when the Iran deal was in effect was Iran actively pursuing a nuclear weapon? They were not Dan and are they doing so now. They are okay. I do not feel safer now. We're also they weren't preventing us from going after Isis And they are now look. Donald Trump's around policy has failed and what has happened over the last couple of weeks. What has happened since he left the Iran deal over over the advice of his own national security team in the entire international community is that the world has been made less safer? Donald Trump has made America less safe if he's made the world less safe and his around policy. The stated intent of his around policy is to get them to agree to a better nuclear deal. How's that going back on? Yeah well I mean. I don't think that's going to. It is mind boggling or he was like in one three minute period said Obama's Iran deal Obama's multilateral Thailand errol Iran deal is responsible for the situation. We're in and the way to get out of the situation. We're in is a multilateral Iran deal I mean someone made this this point. It's like he wants a repeat of Nafta two point. Oh the new trade deal except that was something maybe he could control. He definitely can't control this one. He's not getting a new rondell getting ready. Because you tend to not get a new around deal when you assassinate the second most powerful Government official in Iran. Usually they don't WanNa go to the negotiating table then and you pull it off the first deal with no pretext. Just just 'cause there's I saw this political cartoon which I guess they still exists circulate on twitter which had trump reading which was funny in and of itself the Iran deal and some aides Mr President. What he what is wrong with Obama's deal and trump says Obama's signature which kind of summarize the entire trump presidency with the the Iran deal with the Paris climate agreement with the affordable? Care Act With just about everything Obama his dad. And that's all that's that's the only thing that his His brain can understand again Dan because he watches too much Fox News So let's talk about how this May or may not play out politically for trump If there is a true de escalation between the US and Iran what happens. What does that look like politically? In your opinion I've sort of come to the conclusion as we've talked through impeachment impeachment. You know Iran everything that has happened over the last couple of years that the safest bet in all of these things things is status quo. Yeah I was GONNA say the same thing is that ultimately the country is so polarized over trump and add. The Republican information. Bubble is so tight that it is UN. None of these events are that we have experienced even going to the brink of war with Iran is sufficient to fundamentally change Landscape this is this is an election. It's going to be fought in the margins and various outcomes here could have some impact on the group of voters who were either deciding between trump in Democrat or trump the Democrat or third party candidate or not voting voting in. That could happen. It's too early to know what that is. But there's going to be no like I don't see a world in which there was a seismic shift that any event creates a seismic shift in the political calculus for twenty twenty between now and November. Yeah and we I should say I asked this question about if there is a sort of a permanent de-escalation somehow which is a gigantic. If I think if there is a protracted conflict between the US and Iran or there's further retaliation it could significantly damage trump standing. I think a few other factors here because you know some of these things things could affect it on the margins. I think the idea that this is any kind of political win for trump is fucking foolish And you know so far. The polling has borne that that out. a Reuters poll out Tuesday fifty three percent disapprove of his handling of Iran an increase of nine percent since December that includes fifty percent of independence an economist his poll out Wednesday fifty one percent of his disapprove of his handling of around only forty one percent approve so those numbers aren't great for him. I also think we've talked about this before. Four David experts chaos theory anything that sort of adds to the general sense of trump brings more or chaos than he brings any kind of stability or progress hurts him and look most people in this country. Didn't know who Sulejmani was. They didn't don't really know who Baghdadi was that didn't help trump either Killing Baghdadi which Democrats were mostly behind. We're all behind and so no one knows who salomone is but they wake up and see that the. US is almost on the brink of war with Iran and there's trump tweeting about the whole thing like an idiot so you're right his his base days with them because of the Fox information bubble as always they probably get whipped up just like they did around impeachment but I think most Americans either think more chaos from trump trump or status quo. Let's keep going. What do you think about his campaign running nearly Eight hundred facebook ads trumpeting the killing which is according waiting to our friends at acronym I I have multiple conflicting thoughts on this? There is a few things that that are more personally exhausting than Ryan through the mental exercise of imagine if Obama did this right like it's just so frustrating trading because it's so obviously true that trump gets away with things that if we did would have been a six day day political scandal. Imagine if Obama's two thousand twelve campaign head brunt eight hundred ads about the killing of bin Laden like no I mean and so I'm not going to yell at. I've made several New Year's resolutions to stop shouting into the void or tweeting into the voyage. I'M NOT GONNA do that here but I do think there is a longer discussion about why trump can get away with things that Obama could one of them certainly is it. Obama was a black Mana anti-trump a white man that is a hundred percent of the same reason. Trump can get away with things. Hillary Clinton couldn't get away with Elizabeth Warren Cake Harrison like that is just a a inherit the fact of media coverage in American politics but it also is difference between Democrats and Republicans and the action the significant pro conservative bias. That there is in our social media fueled media ecosystem and so that is all true. My counterpoint to that is when we have a Democrat the White House I I hope this exactly what they do not necessarily about the killing of an Iranian or something like that but the way to communicate in the modern media age is is to do it through all channels which include digital ads so trump is protecting himself in doing. What is the right strategy here? It's just one that is not currently available Democrats Democrats and we have resisted doing this far. Yeah like if you were in the White House again right now and it. Just pass the affordable care act again Hopefully we will be running more than eight hundred facebook ads. Touting the affordable Care Act's benefits and what people can expect as opposed to what we you know the limited ability we had last time back in two thousand ten so speaking of the politics of this trump Already has political problems with Congress on Iran and that includes Republicans now surprisingly on Wednesday top administration officials brief members of Congress on the intelligence that led trump to make the call to assassinate Sulejmani. Many members were furious. About how bad the Intel. Oh End the briefing. Where especially Republican senators rand? Paul and Mike Lee. Here's a clip of Mike Lee Coming out of the briefing. I had had hoped and expected to receive more information outlining. The legal factual and moral justification for the attack was left somewhat unsatisfied on that front. The briefing lasted only seventy five minutes whereupon are briefers left. This however is not the biggest problem I have with the briefing which which I would add was probably the worst briefing of seen at least on a military issue in the nine years I've served in the United States Senate when I found on so distressing about that briefing was that one of the messages we receive from the briefers was do not debate. Do not discuss the the issue of the appropriateness of further Miller military intervention against Iran. And then if you do you'll be emboldening. Iran implication that we would somehow be making America less safe by having a debate or discussion about the appropriateness of further military involvement against the government Vermont of Iran. Now I find this insulting and demeaning not not personally but to the office us that each of the one hundred senators in this building happens to hold I find it insulting and demeaning to the Constitution of the united that'd states to which we've all sworn note the worst briefing I've seen I found it insulting and demeaning to Congress and to the constitution What did you think of that Dan? You indeed has any kind of impact or we'll have any kind of impact. Well I would like to address by likely the senator from Utah. WHO said this? Which is Mike? This is your fucking fault because if I don't remember Mike Lee Speaking up. When the trump White House refused to send over the documents about Brett cavenaugh that the Senate demand remember Mike Lee Speaking up when Congress refused to turn over documents about the trump spending money spending money at trump properties? I remember Mike Lee Speaking up about impeachment witnesses or for any of the memos and paperwork requests between if you stay silent when trump sticks his thumb in congresses. I on the things that you don't care about politically. What do you think's going to happen when you want information like what behavior had Utah Trump? This is Mike Lees Fault as Mitch. McConnell there's all Republican's fault because they have sent trump the unequivocal message. That oversight is a choice it is not a constitutional obligation. You do not have to submit to so this is his his like like no shit. This is what happened. You are reaping what you've sown. I'm glad you spoke up. It has given us great audio and it has made things uncomfortable for the fucking Yahoos. Yes you did briefing. But this is the fault of Republicans in Congress. So I'M GONNA put you down for not much impact. Well look. I think they're going to do uh-huh I do think that I don't think it's going to change things dramatically but it it like it makes it uncomfortable. Yeah squeaky wheels from your own party. Tend to get the grease so I. I suspect there was something else it also we shouldn't gloss over what Mike Lee said about the administration's message. which is that if you debate of this question this or have oversight over it you are giving Iran a win which is just a reminder that every time there is the smell of war in the air we are are all teleported back to two thousand and two in Colin Powell is talking about yellowcake? Nothing ever changes over this long period of time. Yes and look and this is and a lot of folks on the left will say this and they are absolutely right about it that a focus on trump as the only bad guy here is. Is this the true evil. Here is very misguided particularly when it comes to matters of foreign policy They have proven themselves to be warmongers Nikki the Haley fucking Nikki. Haley was out there saying on Fox News. The Democrats are mourning the death of Sulejmani something that she was so proud of saying that. She tweeted out the clip of her saying it and then tweeted that line in the in the tweet Which is fucking revolting disgusting That's now become the lines. Lines members of Congress Collins said the same thing I saw him on. TV saying the same thing Marco Rubio's been saying similar bullshit too because he's awful like like these people are the you know. Trump is trump is does impulsive crazy shit and but he is being led around by. Mike pompeo and a bunch unshipped neo cons in the Republican Party who've been causing trouble and wanting more and wanting to bomb around for a very long time And it is just you. You know it's bad very bad. It's not great in to just not great But you know what Congress can do. Congress see you know. They're trying to pass a war powers act. There's going to be a vote on that. I'm I'm of course you know. Trump can veto that and it's hard to override a veto there's also been people Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna in the house have been trying and to make sure that the administration pass a resolution that make sure that the administration cannot spend any funds on Congress won't authorize any funds for the the administration to Spend on You know war with Iran And so you know Congress would have firmer ground if If they pass something like like that so you know and then hopefully they can get some of these Republicans like maybe a Mike Lee Rand Paul on board but you know who knows if they have the votes for that in the Senate certainly they could pass it through the house but that that's where we are. That's where we are in. You know once again just like with impeachment which are whereabout to talk about the the true check on trump and the Republicans here is to vote them all out of office in November. That's it that's what we got. It is notable that both the Roe conn legislation and the repeal of the two thousand and one other nation for using military force in the original Defense Bill to the House Democrats passed and then pulled it out in negotiations with the Senate which I like. I am sympathetic to the the challenges that you have and trying to pass legislation in divided government right like that is very hard of their other very good things in those bills and also. Don't think if those things were in place the trump would not have done this because he will just rely on like you give to Fox about the constitution and has a very broad definition of article one presidential power when are Republicans and Democrats in office. He started article too but it is just as a reminder that having the maximalist position against trump trump is usually the right thing to do like we would be stronger in a stronger position right now if Democrats at Nachos all passed a bill. That took those things out pods America's brought to you by quip quip makers of the quick toothbrush. Want you to know that one single discovery every that matters most for your dental care. It's simply this. Here's the secret. What is it you have good habits? You are good That means brushing for two minutes twice. Today's flashing regularly no matter. What brand you use quip makes that simple starting with an electric toothbrush? refillable floss and anti cavity toothpaste. Don't WanNa get that pro cavity. They do based quips. Electric Brush has sensitive sonic vibrations with built in timer and thirty second pulses to get a full and even clean. The Quip floss dispenser comes with pre marked. String to help abuse just enough. 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Yeah give it up running in a A real hot minute. Marlene estimate Christmas tree sequel website. Now he passed the ideas onto boo. Gosh stamps quick. All right speaking of leverage and maximum positions. Let's talk about impeachment For a brief moment on Monday appeared that maybe just maybe John Bolton would testify Donald Trump's impeachment trial but then Mitch McConnell said he refused to agree to a fair trial that guaranteed relevant witnesses. This is an evidence and then every single Republican senator agreed with him on those rules. Susan Collins Lisa Murkowski Mitt Romney every last one of of them Nancy Pelosi. Meanwhile said she wouldn't send articles of impeachment over to the Senate until McConnell makes public his proposed rules for the trial which he hasn't yet done. Okay lots to unpack here. I what is Mitch McConnell. Getting his way here actually look like when it comes to the Senate trial. Well it means that we will begin this process process without witnesses and that he has gotten the vulnerable members of his caucus to agree to a trial plan that is favorable to trump. As opposed goes to justice and Truth and the American public. That is what's happened. He is not closed. The door on that possibilities with this vote because it could happen after the opening arguments agreements but McConnell is very good at slowly turning up the heat until we all realize we've been boiled so I guess it'd be easier for these Republicans to vote for a cover up a second time after they've already done it once. Yes so just so people know how and like I said. We don't know exactly what the rules going to look like or how the trial is going to go. But he keeps saying we want to go by the Clinton rules of the Clinton impeachment. And so what that would look like is Each side aid gets to present their opening. Argument the President's defense team and the House prosecutors whoever the Nancy Pelosi decides is going to be the the house managers or prosecutors. They present their case. The President's defense team presents their case. The senators then submit questions for both sides in writing adding to John. Roberts who's presiding over the trial and then John Roberts will allow both those sides to Answer the questions at the senators submit. The reason they're submitting questions. Russians is so. There's no grandstanding and a bunch of speeches on the Senate floor like we usually see We should note that in the Clinton impeachment trial. There were over a hundred questions. I believe leave so that process could take a bit of time and then once you get the opening arguments in the questions. Then then they're gonNA eventually probably take a vote on whether additional witnesses and evidence are necessary. You know and at that point. Mitt Romney and Susan Collins Lisa Murkowski and a bunch of them are on the record saying they would like to hear from John Bolton at some point at least Mitt Romney's certainly has said that And I don't know no I mean I know what you're saying about McConnell but I still think that this is really just kicking the can down the road on an uncomfortable vote for a lot of these volna Republican senators. They still might take the uncomfortable vote and just say yeah. We're all in for the cover up in fact you know if you were betting. He would probably bet that they do that. But I still think it's GonNa be uncomfortable when they have to take the vote later when we've now heard on television very compelling arguments like we heard in the House House for why trump committed impeachable offense and if the House prosecutors are smart they will say during their case and we would know more if only John Bolton would come tell us about why he called this a drug deal. If only we'd get this email from the house if only we had this document and you're GonNa hear the House prosecutors saying that and then you're gonNa then. Reporters quarters are going to go to Mitt Romney and to Susan Collins Right after the trial and they're going to say. Would you think about the house. Prosecutors saying that we need to hear this from John Bolton and of course they'll like run away from the cameras in slammed lamb the door in their office and that'll be the but you know it's going to be uncomfortable. Yeah I mean it will be as uncomfortable as we all make it right exactly exactly and and so we should make. We should make it very uncomfortable. I mean the can we just say something about John Bolton I yeah like do it home on like. Let's aw fall for this like Corey. act where he gets to be. Some sort of hero of truth pitched the book. He's writing and not not also tell us what he knows. He doesn't need to subpoena to talk. He's doing fucking interviews about Iran left and right Typo fucking up ED. Send it to the New York Times done. I am currently sitting in my own home speaking into a microphone. We're in the age of the Internet. You don't even have to leave your fucking house to tell people what you so like. I have zero faith eighth in him. He is a snake and he is finding a way to both keep himself in good stead with the larger trumpworld world and be seen as some sort of George Conway asked never trump hero in. We should not fucking fall for this. There is one other looming shoe that could drop rob which is if you remember sometime around the holiday or since the holiday but since you and I last spoke via microphone the court gave left Parnis the F. The permission to share what was I s his phone with the House Intel Committee so there is potentially more information in evidence that could come out in the coming weeks that could also be used to put additional pressure on these witnesses. I think the other thing that Democrats have to continue continue. Making the argument on is McConnell's entire argument is we're just going to go with the Clinton impeachment trial rules. That should be just like the Clinton impeachment trial. He's been saying this a million times now. So has Susan John. Collins Lisa Murkowski. The Clinton impeachment trial eventually had witnesses when they after the opening arguments after they went through this they did have witnesses and they're witnesses were witnesses that the American people had already heard from during a two year investigation where they were depositions so they just they just called the same witnesses again let alone and new witnesses who have said like John Bolton said that they have new relevant testimony and there was evidence and we have again hear evidence that is relevant to the case because we have emails that the White House withholding all this kind of stuff and that wasn't even true in the Clinton impeachment that the White House was withholding a bunch of documents and evidence and I think the Democrats grads need to say over and over again a vast majority of the American people including Even I think plurality of Republicans in some polls believe VAT that these witnesses should testify that the trump administration senior officials should testify in the trial. They believe that is fair. People are opposed hosed especially in there was another poll and just the states that Susan Collins and Cory Gardner and you know Martha mcsally represented there up in two thousand twenty that those constituents want these people to testify. They believe there should be evidence. There's believe there should be witnesses and anything Democrat to hammer those points Over for the next couple of weeks foreshore one other on this. which is McConnell keeps saying Clinton Rules Clinton rules close now Tom? Daschle was a Senate Democratic leader during the Clinton impeachment and he refused to speak to the White House. Coordinate with the White House share strategy of the White House he thought it was improper. So if McConnell wants the Clinton rules also then he should be behaving like the Senate Democrats did during the Clinton impeachment trial and McConnell was at the White House yesterday meeting with trump to brief him on the strategy and so the he is swimming in a swamp of conflict of interest and he should not be allowed to get away with that because that is not he is not conducting this like like the Democrats conducted impeachment trial of a president from their own party. And he's doing the exact opposite of that and it is historically unprecedented in and it should be called out so lasting on this. What do you think you know? In in the last couple of days a couple of Democratic senators have been getting antsy and if sort of called on Pelosi descend over the the articles of impeachment. Because they WANNA get going on. This trial Pelosi today I believe. said she's ready to send them over but she still wants to see The rules from McConnell. I tend to think this is much ado about nothing here like a lot of the hill. Reporters and DC insiders. This is all like a big deal. I it seems to not matter to to me whether she sends them over today tomorrow next week. Like she's GonNa send them over the next couple of weeks I think she has achieved her goal. Here which is to you put a spotlight on Mitch. McConnell's rigged trial which has the spotlight has been on that for the last couple of weeks? As opposed to her just transmitting. The articles is right before Christmas. And McConnell may be shutting the whole thing down so I think she got her windier and you know people are GonNa be like Pelosi didn't have leverage. She won she lost this or that that I just don't think it matters that much but I don't know what you think I agree. Policy is the savviest legislator of her generation or any other generation and so she obviously knows she doesn't have leveraged make Macau do what she wants but she does not by holding the articles she would force a conversation about about the form of the trial and it would put additional pressure not just all McConnell but on the vulnerable Senate Republicans and they would have to sort of stew in their own complicity city for a few weeks and she like by creating this this conflict with McConnell. She generated more attention to the conversation so she did the right thing none of it is massively consequential or the other but I think she knew what her goal wasn't she achieved it. I would also say to the Senate Democratic senators who were quote unquote calling on policy. I don't call on her call. Her Dianne Feinstein. I'm pretty sure your offices like in the same building in San Francisco like pick up the phone call her. There is no need to basically just like print Hashtag denison disarray in your forehead and walk out and talk to the press just message. You've been friends for decades is like I mean this is. It's wild man. I don't get how to like. Look there times on this podcast where we say things about Democrats on like like we. Maybe we should have just transmitted our criticism over emails. The people we know. And that's our fucking podcast. Get Your fucking United Center or you're a member of the house. Stop talking into fucking reporters in the halls about things that are going to cause your party problems. Pick up the fucking phone and call your friends. It is really unbelievable. The never learn. That's wild they never learn. Oh and one more thing. We should say on Bolton I do think in Brian Butler wrote a great piece about this on crooked dot com that the house should subpoena Bolton because now he has said he would respond to a subpoena from the Senate which makes any kind of rejection of a house. Subpoena China Legally dubious at best since. He said he would respond to a Senate subpoena in the House. Democrats do have subpoena power. Now the house could subpoena Bolton and then trump could coulds try to exert executive privilege and say no. He can't testify. Because it's national security and Blah Blah Blah and. Then I guess they end up back in court but I think it's worth a shot it for no other reason than to let people know in to remind people that we do want John Bolton's testimony because it is relevant in this trial so I don't. I don't see how it can hurt for the house. Democrats to Subpoena Bolton. But I don't know do you. Do you agree. I think the way in which it would hurt would be if it if it forces a legal confrontation over it and then gives trump in Bolton out to just wait for the legal confrontation to conclude. Yeah like Schiff has thought about this is. I'm sure talked to Schumer or someone about this and they have a plan and I actually understand. Brian's point I think you have to let this play itself out in the Senate for a while before you make a decision and if the ultimate conclusion is as the Senate is not going to hear from witnesses for whatever reason McConnell decides or whatever happens then you have to push the case in in that house but if you were to do it now I think it undermines the case of the Senate and gives it out to the Senate Republicans and to Ah Baltin himself who I think is probably also looking for an out. Yeah all right. Let's talk about twenty twenty. It's endorsements season here in the Democratic primary last week. Joe Biden received the endorsement of four freshmen house. Members who flipped red districts in the two thousand eighteen midterms connor lamb. Elaine Loria friend of the POD Chrissy Houlahan friend of the POD. Aub Thinking Howard today Bernie. Sanders received the endorsement of the sunrise movement which is a movement of young people fighting climate change and maybe the most notable endorsement recently Elizabeth Warren Warren won the support of former presidential candidate. Julio Castro this week Then we really haven't talked about endorsements much but how big of a deal are they in general well. We haven't talked about that much good. There have been almost no endorsements. They're like a shocking few number of endorsements in this election very few house dismembers has pick sides. I mean the biggest ones I think have been obviously. AFC Endorsing Bernie privates. You just gave us on. Omar Endorsing Bernie Bernie. There've been a lot of interest within one's home state right Presley. which is a very important endorsement for Warren Comma Harrison endorsement of a lot of the exciting exciting freshman members of the California delegation but endorsements are good for two things and they run in various degrees from politicians and then we can talk about the sunrays movement separately separately? I think but they are good for news like your goal is to try to generate good news for your campaign in endorsements are good and close with Warren ran for a whole set of reasons. It's been running through tough media cycle. And these and the Helene Castro endorsement was sort of a circuit breaker on that like. Oh here's a piece of good news here. Are you know. Big Rally speaks to sort of the broader coalition that she could have and then the other reason. I think they're very valuable. is they someone who you can be on the trail with you to generate excitement additional crowds additional media coverage or be out there with out you writing in Castro. His spent a lot of time in Iowa. If he's out there campaigning. Four warrant. He can like they can go together and they can go separate and Castro can still gonNA crowd and still draw attention. And it is sort of a force multiplier for the Warren Campaign. Yeah I do think he'll. He'll be a very good surrogate for her campaign obviously you know. It wasn't a huge surprise. That Castro endorsed Warren. Because they've been in They've been very friendly throughout the primary campaign. And I think that you know. Julio Castro did not get a lot of support in the primary in the polls but he has become beloved by the Progressive Wing of the party Because you know he's taken a lot of sort of courageous progressive positions and in in in this race and I think in the When he endorsed her and then campaign with her an event in Brooklyn I thought he did a great job as a surrogate for her. You know he made a really good case for her. So I think you're right like on on the margins. These things help. I would say probably. The biggest endorsement of the most effective endorsement of the cycles still has probably been. ASC You see with Bernie Because if AFC had just simply sat out or if sheet endorsed. Warren I think you know. The Bernie has clearly done well over the last couple Lamont's because he's consolidated the left and a lot of that support has come from Elizabeth Warren and you can sort of pinpoint the moment that started happening to around and when AFC endorsed him and so yeah. I think that was sort of a big deal. The endorsements are and we should talk about the Biden endorsed. I think they're also pretty significant but the endorsement sort of come in different flavors won like the ones that are the most when they're surprising are perhaps the most valuable right like. I mean one of the worst days on the Obama campaign two thousand eight when John Lewis Endorse Hillary Clinton over PROC Obama. I remember that I remember being we were in this. We were in this meeting with Obama and it was like we were in a tough period of the campaign anyway and we had just spent like several hours in a conference room like plotting out like how we can get out of this mess and we all felt really good about our plan and the Obama was like let's do this and then he takes out his phone and they said said he looks at an email and say John Lewis has tried to call me like nine times murders like fuck doc and then He. He opened the door and One of his political staffers outside to tell us that John Lewis had been calling to say he was gonNA. Oh Endorse Hillary Clinton in the morning and it was just like fucking Gut Punch and one of the better days was when Ted Kennedy decided to endorse Barack Obama because the Kennedys imminent close to the Clintons or with John. Louis flipped endorsement. Back to Obama. That was pretty great day too. That was good too. Yeah that was good too. There's only had endorsed Warren. That would improvable for Bernie and I think a lot of people thought she might sit out. How much like Warren sat out the primary between Clinton and Sanders until very very late so not getting interested it can also be a problem? The Biden one is wants their significant. Because like these may be the best endorsements of all are the ones. It's speak to your larger message and story and buying the argument. It is very explicitly. Electable that he is the most electable candidate he has. They can't who can go everywhere in campaign everywhere and he got endorsements from a group of the most vulnerable house. Freshmen one. Very hard districts in so the fact that they cast their lot with Biden is a data point that can use to make his larger case. Yep So someone on twitter say a win win. These endorsements renounce oh the democratic establishment is rallying around Biden. which made me laugh? Because it's like these are all first term house house members who had never been in politics before just decided to run. There's some of the people young people who ran in two thousand eighteen Three of them women men who you know everyone very excited about in two thousand eighteen. Because they were able to. They were young exciting candidates. Who flipped red districts you know and like you said I do think whether whether they they they don't have the Star Power of AFC but like you said they fit with Biden story and especially his ability argument? And so I think in that sense they are valuable it specially. I'd be thinking our in Iowa because you know everyone's trying to win Iowa and there's only two new democratic congresswoman from Iowa Abby thinking our and Cindy Acne and that twenty eight hundred class and you know one of them's off the sidelines now and endorsing endorsing Joe Biden so So that's that's something. So what do you think about the sunrise movement endorsing. I think that's a huge deal. I think it is politically very important. Because this is one of those surprise endorsements where most people thought they would stay on the sidelines and not endorse between Warren and Bernie and some of the other candidates but so the fact that they chose to do this they chose to do it. Overwhelmingly I think. Seventy five percent win for for in terms of their internal vote for Bernie but it's also a ton of very savvy. Very motivated organizers. You're not going to be out there. Working for Bernie and all the Super Tuesday states and elsewhere and so. I think it's a really big deal. And it's also just sort of symbolic of the tremendous success. The Bernie Sanders campaign has has had over the last like six to eight weeks of as you said it. Consolidating a lot of the activists left and so there's sort of been this decision among a lot of them that the best way to have a progressive nominee and president is to line up behind Bernie Sanders and that has come at a cost for some the other candidates born most notably who are depending on some portion of that support or being the one consolidated it Let's finish up with one of our favorite topics here Political advertising this week we learned that Mike Bloomberg and Donald Trump each planning on running an ad during the super bowl. They both taken you know. Sixty seconds of advertising. That will cost ten million dollars each good use of money. What do you think I mean whenever I think of Bloomberg spending money it reminds me of this conversation that Halley and I have whenever like we're watching the NBA finals? And the you know the people see court sides of course I highly like they paid thirteen thousand dollars for that seat or twenty dollars. She's like that's insane. I'm like yeah but that person's worth two billion dollars. It's like the mathematical Cleveland of mind. Yet right of my hundred dollar ticket to the game three months ago or whatever and that's a little bit like all things with Bloomberg's if you have endless amounts of money what's the big deal right. Why not do a sixty second ad in the Super Bowl? It's Sorta like our decision about whether we're going to you. Make lunch or order. Launch has the same financial consequences. So you're Mike Bloomberg you have sixty seconds You know more people are going to watch this ad than maybe be anything else in your entire campaign. What do you say well that to me is the real question because I think the the super the value value of a super bowl ad? It's so expensive because you're not you're not just paying for that massive audience so that Matt is massive particularly in our sort of disaggregated media environment. And you're also paying for the fact of having a super bowl ad where the news media and podcasters will discuss the factor having superbowl ad. It has a head it has a tale. There's I like it theoretically where we talked about before. And after the sixty seconds you get but you gotta make your ad good right right if just runs the same good advice well and by good like yes. Yes you're welcome that Michael Bloomberg that one's free the next one you got got to pay for it but by that I mean that's gotta be it has to have some vitality to it right if it's just the same ad you're not getting what you paid for because you're really paying for the attention that a super bowl ad gets for the fact that Super Bowl ad and so if it's j- just totally fine adds that he he's been running during every. NFL Game. I've seen for the last like six weeks. I think that's a waste of money now. Who cares because he's got endless money but I think it you have to do something interesting you you have to catch attention because you are competing like this is the most brutal add competition? It's not just like car had soda. Add Beer at. It's like ABC. Companies have been spent and I have been spending an entire year planning for how they're going to have an amazing catchy ad that people will talk about. And so if if it's just like amazing doritos AD with beyond a Lizardo Paul right or something obscene like that and and then it's just like Mike Bloomberg talking about climate change. I don't think that's really going to work or Donald Trump talking about whatever the fuck Donald Trump talks about. Yeah I mean look I ah we are in a very cynical mean nasty age where the Internet just brutally mocks everything especially. Ads are in the Super Bowl. I've noticed this over the last couple of years in the Super Bowl like you'd watch superbowl ads and you'd like talk to the people at Your Super Bowl Party about the ADS now. We all talk about them together on twitter and usually they're reviews views aren't very great for most of them. There's usually one or two that stand out that everyone likes and so if you're Mike Bloomberg it is the potential for being mocked as extraordinarily ordinarily high. And so I would think about doing something that is mostly anti trump that can at least rally Democrats together which is part of his stated rationale for running here these worried about Donald Trump winning? I would make it very light on Mike Bloomberg himself very heavy on Donald Trump. And I would you know. He's he's a he's a rich guy he can call in sort of creative ad people from all over the country in the world. I would go way outside of the box and Make it seem like like. It's not your typical political commercial. That it is like a very different kind of ad I would think Different would be at the at the top of the top of the list there and for trump I would imagine that trump is going to try to run a very good morning America type ad that is not like anything. Trump usually says in his speeches or at his rallies. I think it's GonNa try to take credit. He's GonNa try to take credit for the economy he's going to try to take credit for terrorist. Interest killings maybe revive. What we thought was a pretty clever message? That's you know I might not be a nice guy but sometimes it takes someone who's not a nice guy to shake up Washington kind of thing. which is them owning him? Being an asshole which I actually think is fairly smart of their campaign and so I would imagine the trump campaign ad and It could be. I won't say good but better than certainly better than anything we hear from Donald Trump or see from his tweets. Yes the as you're basically asleep describing what was trump's world series ad which was friendly good ad and it like these? Things are particularly valuable for trump. Because he is incapable of having a message coming out of his mouth or twitter feed because he has no yeah no discipline or attention. Span impulse control but on an ad like you can have a message. The question for you is. Do you think Super Bowl ads matter as much analogies to. I know you've been a frequent superbowl watcher. Because you're a patriots fan so you basically been in the news. This isn't even this isn't even a patriots attack back. I'm not even GONNA ask if you'RE GONNA watch us this year but like I remember for years and years and years like people were more likely such focus on the ads. The people almost more likely to go to the bathroom during the game than during the commercials. Because you wanted to see what the ads because that was also for many years. The Super Bowl was terrible. Called even though it's been pretty good for the last several years but so like you wouldn't WanNa miss that but now I feel like I've seen most of the ads or read about them before they come because of Youtube right and if I miss it when it errors I will see it on twitter or elsewhere afterwards right like you're not in in the old days you would see it if you didn't see it when it happened you may not see it right. I agree with you. I don't think they matter as much I think it's it's the problem with content writ at large right now which is there. Such a glut of content and there is among all of these advertising firms in marketing agencies and consultant companies. You know we. In in past life past lives we've worked with them all They all sort of have the same advice. which is they're all trying for veracity right They want their add to go viral and there is now a certain quality of an ad that you can tell is trying to go viral. That almost makes it more cheesy and obvious and inauthentic and I think there is not enough innovation in advertising anymore either and and and in fairness. That's because it's harder to surprise people because there's so much content eh and because everything has been done and so I think there is such a premium on trying to find something that is truly different that will truly grabs people grab people's attention and and I do think for the last couple of years Companies just haven't done that very well. I remember like years before that before that there was a good run of of Super Bowl ads but I feel like the last couple of years. They've all been SORTA shitty. I mean you could expand this concept about the insatiable search for morality. I to everything right. It is why it's it's why cats is in theaters right now. I swear to God it is like it is trying to starting with the premise of what would go viral and then working backwards to the product is a say in it is endemic to American politics. In this age you could do. Autopsies of many campaigns. That have failed in part because of this approach but it is a fascinating thing that stretches through advertising movies television politics. Well it all comes from these fucking consulting advertising firms I remember back in our own lives when Tommy and I had a company briefly That did this kind of stuff. It was around the time of the ice bucket. Challenge is back a challenge for L. S.. Jeff as you know went viral and was very very good 'cause and multiple apple firms that we came in contact with would say things like would sit clients down and say are we need to figure out what our bucket challenges. We need an nice bucket challenge for ex for what and so they take something that has gone viral because it was authentic and real and exciting and then they tried to go backwards. It's and tried to you know Generated that way and it's just such a fucking mistake right like it has to it has to start from an authentic position not work backwards towards it. I mean it's it is the fault. Obviously in some ways of sort of one dimensional thinking from consultants at advertising executive business people and creative people and politicians. But but it's also a product of an Algorithm IQ based advertising and Media Waco System. Where like you need? You need to generate conversation to get coverage and if you you don't you won't right. It's like I've been this is we've gone far beyond Pat Halley and I watched the two popes last night which is a phenomenal phenomenal movie. I loved it. Yeah I loved the copes but like there was so much more conversation about the Irishman in part because everyone screaming about how the Irishman was too long which I don't really agree with but there was no like no one to like the two popes did not. There's no controversy right so there was no conversation about there. There was no trending and then I guess it was just a good movie that most people will not see because they will not seek it out because it never pierce social conversation that determines and what is watched and what isn't or what is consumed. What is Inter what's talked about? Or what is it. All of these things we just talked about are responsible for. Cats are also responsible for trump more on that later. Yeah no that is true. All of this all of this is politically related. And it's it all applies to this campaign into politics so I'm okay when we come back. We will talk to Democratic presidential candidate Senator Elizabeth Warren Party. America's brought to you by stamps Stamps quick. Let's stamp dot com. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep getting more exercise. Save more money well. I have a resolution that's easy to keep stop. OP wasting time going to the post office and YOU STAMPS DOT com instead was to be taller with stamps dot com. 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So you attended the classified briefing yesterday about the Sulejmani assassination. Do you think that the administration is lying about their legal rationale for launching the strike. which which was that there was an imminent threat to? US forces. They just certainly couldn't outline. What the threat was yesterday and you know I think it was pretty clear? Republicans and Democrats left that briefing not all Republicans but some Republicans and I think nearly all the Democrats left saying you just never made the case and really didn't even seem to try very hard You know it was kind of one of these not it was an imminent threat. Let's move on if you're president. How do you even begin to get the Iranians back to the negotiating table for another nuclear deal at this point? Well I I think we start with the example that President Obama laid Out For us during his administration It's I don't have to tell you all is painstaking work. You've got to prove your credibility but but I actually think it starts with our allies. We get on the same page with our allies. We start with modest goals. We find out whether or not we can talk to each other. A more modest little and then see if we can build some trust willing to do a lot of stuff through back channel in order to being able to let everyone save face so no one is getting squeezed and you build up that trust and then we saw that Ed what what could happen from that when the Obama Administration was able with our allies Both to put some serious economic sanctions sanctions on Iran. Get onto the negotiating table and then the amazing team when John Kerry and attorney. Money's you've got this this longtime experienced skilled diplomat and this Nuclear scientists who really sit together and work through the diplomatic aspects of it but also the very technical scientific aspects aspects of it and get to an arrangement that Iran could live with domestically with not was not threatening to Iran up that permitted substantial verification. that Iran was really a biding by the deal that the economic make sanctions had been put in a place that let Iran's economy starts to recover but made it clear they're going to be some sanctions. That would stay in place until Iran took other steps separate from the nuclear negotiations To bring them more into the family of nations you you know to drop their support for Hezbollah and other terrorist and so on and really watched the building on that. I watched it during the negotiations. And and you know I am the first to say. I was very early. Supporter of the Iran nuclear deal and alternately. What came out was not perfect? There were many who wanted to say this part should have been and that part should have been but the truth extrordinary move move forward From the perspective of both halting Iran's nuclear development and Dan suggesting that we could build a world in which nuclear proliferation was going to stop or at least hope Holt for an extended period of time and then try to build out from there built out more economic integration. Build out you know how you open up up your society a bit more how you let your middle class have more of a voice domestically and that helps internationally up all of those pieces and Donald Trump came in and said. Oh Barack Obama did. That's why I have to do the opposite with leg with everything else so so you you released a bankruptcy plan a couple of days ago that would fix pieces of the law. Congress passed back in two thousand and five a law that you've criticized in the past Joe Biden for supporting. I imagine this might be an issue. We hear about next week's debate if there is a debate his so Biden's campaign pain has said that basically the bill was going to pass the Republican Congress and be signed by George Bush anyway so biden good in their negotiated some concessions that help middle class families as including making child support and alimony priority for debt payments stuff like that. What do you say to that argument? That yeah the bill wasn't great but it was important important. Good to make it better. I my views on this a very well known They're publicly documented This was not just something that happened in two thousand five it has been a fight that have been going on for a decade and I had been able working with consumer groups to fend off The the efforts to take the legs out from underneath the bankruptcy laws for nearly a decade of that. We had really been in that fight. While the credit card companies had figured out you know they could expand their profits. It if they could just get get the bankruptcy laws to be A little less helpful to families who were head over heels in medical debt to people who've lost a job job to someone who had a death or divorce in the family which those three things accounted for about ninety percent of all the folks in bankruptcy. So you know my views on this one are well documented. They're out there and they have not changed I disagree with The way that the Biden Campaign Watch described this. Yeah no it's funny. I remember when I was looking at this when I was looking looking up for this question. you know. Obama was obviously as the center. Then then on the other side of this issue on your side of this issue and It was one of the first floor statements I ever wrote for him and we quoted you in the floor statement as a bankruptcy secrecy professor. Who really cared about this kind of stuff? So it was a time is a flat circle. Yeah it really was because it was such a watching this go. Oh forward. I remember when you know. America has fairly relative to the rest of the world. Has Bankruptcy laws let people come come in and wipe out their past debts and the families. Who Do this always remember? Our families for whom they are in so much financial trouble. That dead flat broke. Looks like a great improvement from where they are and the whole idea behind it. STOORIKHEL STOORIKHEL was you want people to be able to get back on your feet so they have a reason to go out and have a job so that they can hang onto a house. Maybe and and their kids won't be Made homeless and not be able to go to school not finish their education. You'll comes along the the larger implications but it's also part the fact that in America we don't have nearly as big as social safety net as in much of the rest of the world. You go bankrupt in America over medical bills. You don't go bankrupt in much of Europe for example over medical bills you go bankrupt over trying to get an education and getting caught head over heels and student student loan debt not in much of the rest of the world. You'd go bankrupt trying to get a job and keep a kid in daycare and pay for housing not so much in the rest of the world so when the credit card companies figured out that they could they could help close that door bankruptcy and literally keep hundreds of thousands of people here from filing for bankruptcy thinking about it. This way. It's it's not. Those people got any richer. It's that the credit card companies just got a longer space to try to squeeze them harder her for a few more interest payments get them to borrow from their friends and family We'd read the stories in our research. people women who sold their wedding rings to be able to just try to pay something down to stop the collection calls. That's what the credit card companies want. That's what they got in two thousand five. And that's why then Senator Obama and I were on the same side in that's fine so caucus season is upon us and I imagine that you and your campaign or making and we'll be making many final pitches to undecided voters in the weeks to come. What's your pitch to a young progressive college student? Say From Iowa state who really likes. You really likes Bernie Sanders and and he's having a really hard time deciding between the two of you what do you. What do you say to that voter? Well I think I start with I know how to the fighting. I know how to win so help you fight and helped me win because we have such an incredible opportunity here you you know I will be the only person on the debate stage whenever that debate occurs who has beaten a popular incumbent Republican anytime in the past. Thirty years I've I I been out there in these fights to win When I first ran for the Senate in two thousand twelve I was you may remember this I had been working for President Obama. UH-HUH is his assistant setting up the consumer agency the Republicans had pre rejected me and said I could never be the head of the agency Z.. And President Obama go back to Massachusetts and run for that Senate seat and when I got back to Massachusetts. I've you know this is not me. I'm not I don't ah I never thought I'd run for elected office and I was going to teach and do the research and People said to me look. We've got this popular incumbent. Republican hit about sixty five percent approval rating. He's been here In Office For just a couple of years he just beat a very a qualified woman. You should definitely one. You won't win but you should definitely run to which might response is Democrats. Get a better her sales pitch but I in that race and I started out way down and and I just kept fighting and I ended up beating him by seven and a half points You know to me. It's your fight from the heart for what you believe in and running for president has been this extraordinary opportunity to talk about what's broken in our a country to really try to to give it a frame and how we can build a country going forward. That is different I think the big contrast pranced that we're gonNA make with Donald trump in the general election. I think the one that gives us the best chance of winning. uh-huh is over corruption and it's the corruption of money in Washington. It's the it's the donors but it's also also the lobbyists and the lawyers and the bought and paid for experts and bought and paid for think tanks that just flood Washington Ashington. They Flood Congress on. Just create a little exception for us. Just you know. Can't we just rewrite that route just a little bit to help us. And they do that for all the agencies for all the departments until the whole game is tilted wildly in favor favor of those. Were already rich and powerful and against everyone else. How did you end up in a democracy? Where a company like Amazon the Amazon proudly announces? We just made ten billion dollars in profits. And we're paying zero in taxes. How home how? How many lobbying dollars did it take them to get there but they got there so I see this as who government works for and for a generation coming of age now this has got to be the crucial question? My two cent wealth tax is all about saying if you've already got a great fortunate. More than fifty million dollars pitching in two cents on the part above fifty million Eur fifty million dollar pitch into since a two cents on every dollar above that couple of pennies more once you hit a billion and do you know what that money. Let's do. Just think about this it. Lets US do universal childcare for every baby in this country that means every mama can finish her education every parent can get a job and not have to worry about their. Oh kids their kids can be in high quality care. It was a student universal pre-k for every three and four year old. It lets US stop exploiting the largely women largely black and Brown women. Who Do this work and raise the wages of every child care worker in Preschool teacher? In America it let us put eight eight hundred billion dollars new dollars into our public school system and fully fund. Ide- children with disabilities. Ace Get one hundred percent funding for the education. They need it would let us make technical school two year college for here college tuition. Mm Free let us put fifty billion dollars into historically black colleges and universities and other minority serving institutions that would really help level the playing field and one more it would let us cancel student. Loan debt for forty three million Americans and I I use it as just one example. A TWO CENT WEALTH TAX ON THE PEOPLE WHO've made it big people who are already growing their fortunes it four percents six percents eight percent ten percent just two cents wealth tax we invest an entire generation. And once you start talking about making government work work not just for the lobbyists lawyers and big donors. That's how you tackle climate change. That's how you tackle gun safety. It's how we tackle Michael Housing costs. It's how we tackled making this. The country that invests and invest in the future the country that lives it's values every day. We have such an opportunity to do that in twenty twenty. But it's GonNa take all in this fight so I sat down with a lot of swing state voters recently for this little project. I'm doing and and just about all of them want what seemed to be two conflicting things so I. They're sick of all all the corruption Washington and want a government that actually does something to improve their lives especially when it comes to healthcare costs and student loans and everything. Your campaign is about everything you were just saying. But then but then in the next breath they say I'm really tired of all the fighting and the nastiness and the pettiness in Washington. And I just I want someone who can bring us all together is it possible will to be a president who does both of those things in this political environment with this Republican Party. Absolutely and let me tell you how okay I I you know. I was born and raised in Oklahoma. All three of my older brothers are now backing Oklahoma. They all three lived there and uh-huh One is Democrat to or Republicans. Think about that for a second so we can certainly get together and two of my brothers can give the Republican talking points and one of my brothers and I can give the democratic talking points and we can stay engaged in that same old battle or four we can shake up how we look at it and use a different frame so think about the point made about corruption when I talk about the corporations that made billions of dollars in profits and paid nothing in taxes. My Republican brothers. There's always medicine my democratic brother. 'cause they know that's not fair. You know it's one of them said to me not long ago. Hey wait a minute. He said somebody's got to pay to keep the roads and bridges just paved. Somebody's gotTa Pay Heed Schools. Some I gotta pay for our defense and middle class families working families the working working poor. They're out they're paying their fair share of taxes and the rich people are just walking away from it and saying they're they're not going to pay their part that's a point where we start to get the influence of money the fact that the lobbying lobbying lobby you know people talk about. Oh gridlock in Washington. There's I'm great. Lock in Washington now when the Republicans wanted to pass a tax giveaway of a trillion and a half dollars Bengo. They kinda like five weeks the rest of the time when they don't pass climate change legislation when they don't pass gun safety legislation legislation when they're not passing those laws. The reasons not gridlock. The recent it's because that helps the lobbyists who have the most influence it helps helps the industry. We have changes in the laws governing the drug companies. That helps the drug companies. This gridlock. This is this is what they thank God for their lobbying dollars so I start there on corruption and say I'll tell you what let's think of this as we'll have to organize the election but we have to stay organized after the election. Nobody gets to go home after we went. You get twenty four hours. Just celebrate eight and rest up in the back in the pushing business because you push from the outside. I'll lead from on the flight house and we will hold Congress accountable. And that's how Wilma change so when we start with something that is very popular like eighty corruption bill. Then we got something where we can get some not all the Republicans but we can get some Republicans with says and some independence with US and some a lot of Democrats with us. We make that change. We knocked back the influence of money and now think how it looks different because now we can start to make other change. You go next right off the top. How about then we pass? That's a two cent wealth tax and cancelled that student loan debt again very popular that wealth tax among Democrats and Republicans how `Bout we vote to expand social security and disability payments. I've got a way to do that. Raising taxes on only the top two percent percent very popular among Democrats and Republicans gets some wins under our belt and a president should be doing the things I love saying this that she can do all by herself like reduce the cost of prescription drugs. I'm GonNa just on the first day. The power has been there in the hands of the president for a long time. But it just hasn't been picked up and used so I'm going to reduce the cost insulin. The cost of Epi pens the cost of HIV AIDS drugs that will save families hundreds of millions of dollars right off the top in other words put government on the side of the Piel. Let's get some real wins. I've got I've got practical ideas for how to make this happen. But ultimately ideas that rely on the fact that together in a democracy we can build this movement we can change and it it all it all comes down to. That's right has a senator. My last question is just more of a comment I don't wash I my face either so I am. I am completely with you on that one glowing skin. You know as hot shower every course. Of course we don't need to go into a whole routine every night. That just seems like a lot. It's just I guess it. Does you know we'll just take care of ourselves. I like it I liked it became Beauty I was coming Bailey when you Well that was GONNA be my next excellent I was GONNA say give Bailey Give me a hug for me. I will set you boy. He's right here next. Leo's right right here with me too. So he likes to sit in for all the interviews. Senator thank you so much I really appreciate it and good luck on the trail. Thank you very much. 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WHO's in Santa Monica and she was taking my older son shopping. So she says to me. Hey I'm out here. Is there anything you'd like you know an since the pandemic START I've been pretty much ninety percent sweats. So he gave me some sweats young. She's like, Hey, I found these sweats you like him like, yeah like him she's okay. What size you? Like I. Don't know extra-large to have both at home i. just don't know what where I am right now you know. So so she buys me one pair of extra large one pair of to exit Nike. So. The two X is what I'm wearing right now they're way too big yesterday our the extra large they were just fine. But the predicament. Their Nike I think all of us have Nike. Right? We have Nike's. Time. I'll probably have adidas to right and then there's a couple of different brands you have. But then goes out and buys me a pair of under armor sweats. Okay okay, nice. Yeah. Does anybody here own under armor tennis shoes I Neither do I I have the Steph currys are. Nice stickers is so. I start to have this dilemma yesterday 'cause I thought were under armor switch today in his start going survive under armor sweats I don't have enormous shoes and I wear the sweats today right and I literally start to have the think small anxiety attack as my days going on yesterday going what am I going to do and then I get upset? We bought these. We bought the sweats and I can't wear them because if I were if I were adidas if I, were Nike with them, I don't want to get grief and it's going to bother me all day wearing these under armor sweats and then I realized my son Camp. You know he plays for this his basketball team sponsored by under armour. In our the same size shoe. Size thirteen, some like I don't want to wear the shoes at he currently wears, but he has a pair of pink under armour shoes that they're low tops and he does he wears high tops on his ankle and I'm like I'll were these. So I said can take our your pink shoes. Yeah. I don't care. So this morning I get dressed I put on my black under armor sweats and I put on his pink shoes. And then I put on a white t shirt. But I don't have a jacket. The. Because I weren't where like Heike Jackie. And I'm like, what am I gonNa go and I'm just like having this stupid debate I. Get it's four am now. I should be here in the studio and I'm not and so I just take off everything I've guys ever got fully dressed and undressed before you come back to what? The man. I take that off everything and I throw in these these these Nike sweats and their extra to acts and they're mangas and they're falling off as I walked, but I just don't care anymore. So anyway. Stupid stupid issue. But it really it's such a thing because you know you the if you wear Nike I have like I got a problem my socks I had put on. I. Don't have a number socks. If you wear Nike Socks Dita shoes, you're going to get called out. Like. You know it's a dilemma a dilemma in America today I saw you tweet your your quandary yesterday. Yeah. Everybody we came back and said you can't. I didn't see the responses. I what the room I was wondering. What would you guys are GonNa? Go like off brand. You can wear like regular socks that don't have any brands with your under armour shoes. Just the Hanes you know we'll go with whatever. In phase one of Cleveland my closet. The IOS why you don't finish cleaning out your closet. That is the hardest thing for me getting rid of stuff because it feels like the minute I get rid of something I go. Oh where are those same sucks. Fan. Bad example. Hope you. Do it one day just wear them because then you're never gonNA, wear your sweats. I know that I thought I could wear slides I that I knew rebuilding an under armor outfit in my head I had to go get up her stuff now. In place for under armor. So it's like it's like I I'm having all these reasons to get under armor stuff. And then I found out like I wouldn't research the under armor story like you even know the story of an armor not really us. Oh so this dude, I don't know the name. His Dude, he was going to school somewhere and and he didn't like he was playing football he was walk on the team and he didn't like the way the shirt was catching sweat. So he goes he starts creating in his grandma's basement. He's trying to create a better shirt to capture his sweat, and so he starts creating these shirts. He's working on the shirts and people on this teams are like in the shirts that he's wearing. So start selling themselves. Now He created under armor that was the name. Now he's where it's like a two billion dollar company studio. And this isn't like forty years ago. This is like nine years ago something like that. Because he couldn't figure out your. Discover three dollars. A nightmare. Stress. Out About. I need some time. Alone. I feel like exert on the show you've talked about some brands. You don't need to worry about you could wear Adidas Puma Pants. Let people go crazy about it. But I I'm like I'm supporting all of them right now. and. Then you also need to be able to be. Secure with yourself to it doesn't matter but then. When I go to basketball tournaments I'm in that world. That doesn't happen. Doesn't happen mad respect. Yeah. Trust me. You go out there and people will be like they came the phrase like when you when I were cool. Air Force wants. People out you know what I mean. He will come wool man those are nice and come shoes keith cakes other things is like and it's like, wow so I get some sort of respect for my shoe game So I can't screw that up. I didn't even know that was a thing. Until the first time we went to like the Nike Employees. Store and they were like you can't wear that. And it was like something Adidas. Yeah. I was like, Oh, I didn't know and then, and then ever since then I'm like Oh then I just feel like it's a big no-no ever. You're like breaking some huge rule or something if you do that. Got, this thing where you're like you like a dancer hip hop answer. So you can even you have swag just when you walk down the hallway it looks Kinda. Cool. So you could wear Puma and Adidas maybe if something goes hey, you'd be like what do dance move All the help if I'm walking. down. Under Armor Pants and sweat shirt that guy's got problems. Goofy Dad. I can't right now I got all kinds of swag walk into the gym. I mean when I go to the Basketball Games of my son I wall. To. Keep up when I go to haircut. This is cool barbershop that opens up above the gym and those guys are way. Cool. In the first time I walked in there they compliment in my shoes I got a good shooter game right now. Right chemists at up, I write a lot of stress and pressure. She's I know. What when she was shopping last week, she bobby some air force ones that are sick but I don't know now when you wear them. Except what's the problem there? You got a the Nike stuff in the window but like okay. So I've got these CAM sweats right? So I want to wear a solid shoe. I don't WanNa wear shoe with design. Well. New Neutral. It is. You can wear Cammo pants with the shoe with a lot of fun on it depends what the designers but yeah I think so. Stressful This whole pandemic. Just kidding you really have to step up your sweats game. Judge Eight Ritz. Even when the show is over, we just keep talking and now you can hear listen to the John Jay enrich afterwards podcast on radio or on I. Tunes knows read about Caitlin Jenner. caitlyn Jenner has eighteen grandchildren. That's a lot of great. Of Kids you look at the Jenner boys they all have a few and then you've got Courtney chloe Cam and Kylie. Willing because I guess Caitlin was married to three times before Kris. Jenner anyway I was just like, wow. Anyway. Now it's time to learn something about yourself. This morning Suzanne has your horoscope. What's The vibe today? Susie, let's talk about what type of person you are when it comes to asking for how how you ask for it to baseline your sign Jon Rich. horoscopes. Let's go to Kristie our favorite Scorpio. So. Scorpios. So this is how each horoscope sign asks for help and it's easy. You know it gets harder when you grow up it's easy. When we're kids, we have no problem as assistance. But when we get older it, all depends on who we feel comfortable asking for help. So for Scorpio I thought it was interesting because it was a little sneaky sneaky this sign. You will ask for help and a very focused way they might work on the person, I though to get them into the right based to say, yes, Scorpio's do this by starting out small easy requests and build up and build up from there. So when they need major help, it won't be a complete shock. This line is good getting what they want and need from people. Very, true. More feel like that. row like that. All right. Have a great day Christie. Thank you. The Good Morning Chez Tell me tell me tell me how ask for help I have a hard time with it. Well, for Geminis assess at this sign uses their great communication skills when it comes to ask him for help and they do it in many ways. So they may ask directly or they try to figure, figure it out themselves and demonstrate that they need help like body language using that S- or they may just hire some assistance if they really need the help one of Germany's many. Great qualities is that they're always the first to offer others help. So they usually have a lot of people who are more than willing to help them in return. That is so very true. I told you on one or the other ones I always helping somebody but I think for me. Maybe I. would hire somebody. That's Don't me if I need help because I have a problem with that Interesting. You know maybe if somebody seeing my weakness. Yeah? Yeah. They just like you said, you help a lot of people out. So maybe I get how it's harder for you to ask for help but sometimes you have to like see that people are willing to help you because you do that for them. Yes Okay I sent him mine. Thanks guys. Have a great day. Sherline, what sign are you? I'm an Aquarius. So. For an Aquarius this sign knows they can't always do everything them south. They have absolutely no problem asking for help when it comes to benefiting someone or something else. For example, like an Aquarius needs help organizing a charity events or cleaning up the beach and they have no problem asking for assistance but if they need someone to pick them up after like a surgery that's a little more difficult for them. So when it comes to helping them, helping you out, it takes it takes allow you you. You're one of those signs it's very independent. So you feel like you can do it on your own. Definitely I, could really with that I sure I do a lot of stuff independently. So ask him for help for myself not so much by cme somewhere else I'm always willing to see who's willing to also pitch in health and we all get together and do we can for them. So that's awesome. That sherline always drives herself home after surgery. May Scooter. into. John J for Virgo this sign really hate asking for help and they'll try to come up with ways where they can just do it themselves. If they absolutely need the help, they'll practice what they're going to say how they'll say it and what the various responses they might get. So they're prepared for anything. I've even judge go down the road of having the fight with the person he imagined early asks for. I have this idea for a bit. I WANNA pitch on the show and and I wrote down a couple of days ago and then. There's a system in my head how I before I bring it on the air to everybody. And then I thought. And it requires a little bit of work just a little bit of work. The kind of work that I don't WanNa do right. And I thought to myself. It's now made it onto my sheet that I put it on this piece of paper that means I'm going to bring it up to everybody on the air not on the in in a meeting. So it goes through a system where I do that and then I thought You know. I need somebody to do this certain thing. And I thought you know what? I'm just GONNA do it. I. Don't WanNA ask somebody to. Push back and it was. Ago and I'm just going to figure out how to do this and literally I don't WanNa. Ask Him to do it like then you just. You just went through my whole thought process in that one little sentence. Right there. That's pretty amazing. That, since virgos are always there when you need them and can fix just about anything people are happy to have the opportunity to help them for change. Will be happy to help me with idea. A pitcher later line, you can ask you. Have the option to say, yes or no? Whether they're going to help you. Help people all the time John. Kyle for Libra Lebron's have no problem asking for help, but they're never prepared. Prepared for though is when somebody refuses to help them. So rather than practice asking for help, libra will try to come up. Become okay with the with the no. In fact, they're like they put all their energy putting all your energy into getting a response like no will make things easier for you. When asking for help because you're the type of person that is willing to help anyone no matter what the when somebody refuses to help you. It's like it's hard for you understand why somebody wouldn't Help. You. Help afterwards, even if they didn't help her. I don't even go into that but I'm pretty sure. Yeah Kyle help. Why would which would tell you know? Broken you. Know. Are. Like willing to help everyone. So if somebody says that. You're just not prepared to hear no, and it's shocking when somebody does like why? Are you helping I don't get it? I'll be prepared for the know. Which Donges. Does a very good job at preparing for. I'm totally prepared for people say, no all kinds of scenario prepared. You think people are GonNa say no when they won't say. Rich for Pisces. Pisces are good at sensing when other people need help but not not as good as realizing when they needed the help they can be lost in their own world and not understand they need help until the situation can get out of hand. Pisces also tend to put their trust in the wrong people who end up not helping other than only helping themselves. It's a tricky world we live in tricky always taking care of everyone else Pisces for Capricorn as independent capable this nightmare there are times when they need to ask for help, but it's not something they do casually or without thoughts they're genuine and honest when the when they ask for help and they tend to remember when someone out of their way to help them so that they can do the same for the other person. US Good. Okay. So we had a little glitch 'cause a lot of people get the horoscopes from you a lot of people and there was a, but it will be fixed right because the. Fix already. Okay. Good. So if you go to John Dean Richards calm in new click on Suzanne's Walter Mancado head, you can get all the horoscopes and they were updated for all but now they're all updated. So go to John Deere which dot com college something working on for three things we need to know high schoolers. The invention could actually cause chaos in your life I'll tell you three things you need to know next with John Rich. Text. US Text Jr and your message to nine six, eight, nine, three Sean Jane Rich College we need to know if you are an early voter chances are you've already received your election ballot in the mail and now officials are reminding us. To not. The Mail in ballot before you turn it in. So apparently in Sacramento a bunch of people were trying to sanitize their ballots, turn them in and they basically. were. Unreadable because they had used liquid sanitizer which has a lot of alcohol in it. It's smears some things it's just a disaster say not only is this step unnecessary? Like trying to sanitize, but it could cost you your vote. So just don't do it. They say it's fine. The risk of exposure paper surfaces is really low and additionally the ballot paper inside the mailer has been untouched for at least a week from the time it was stuffed. So that gives you a little bit of I. Don't know if you're freaked out just touching it maybe just dump and then don't try to sanitize it before you put it in there because you want your vote count. So. This will also maybe help you make some plans or maybe change your plans or maybe not. So nearly half of Americans say they will not be handing out candy on Halloween due to the coronavirus outbreak. In fact, forty, six percent of Americans say they will be sitting out this October thirty first doing virtual parties or stuff with just their family. So that may make you not go trick or treating or it'll just make you walk more. Houses that are if that is your plan there's one high school student who you can follow him on, Tiktok? He's actually become quite star his username is diamond tester kid because what he decided to do was buy sixteen dollar invention that you can get on Amazon. And start utilizing in a scientific way. Now. The item is diamond. To I looked it up, you can get it on Amazon. It's literally sixteen dollars and what this little contraption invention does is it tests diamonds to see if they are real. So what he decided to do. was test the diamonds of his teachers and this is what happened. You gotTA. Be Big as. Also. Telling me. How? She can. Talk, it's been utilised and million times, and there are a lot of users that are torn about this guy exposing these husbands in this way and really kind of like shocking these women who thought they had real diamond rings. If you're interested in has your own ring like I said, you can get the diamond selector to Amazon. This is not a commercial just maybe a PSA tall guy proposes and says I love you will you marry? Me gives him a ring then say I love you will you marry me here's a diamond ring. She's I. Love You. Will you marry me? Here's a ring. Since. It's it's not about it being a real diamond. It's about love you. This ring represents my never ending love. With the ring represents right it does it's not about the ring, but for some people, they felt a little. If you will, and that's three things you need enough. In Rich. Stacks is life hacks start off with John Jay Stacks. Dante stacks. This is sex and then heck's. We're less than a third of the way through fall. But there's this part of fall called peak fall. So survey. What best part of fall is the top answer was the first two weeks of October. So the survey also found the perfect fall temperatures exactly fifty three degrees now here the top things we love about fall anyone. He. Love about fall. Well I don't necessarily love it but I know everybody loves pumping pumpkin spice we love. Pumpkin on by. You know Pumpkin spice is not in the top ten love Buffalo. Well we don't get it here, but like the fall leaves the colors. That's number one I thought you were GonNa go with what I saw. You Post yesterday, which was sweater weather. Weather. Eight. Lighting candles the sound of rain sweater weather watch scary movies for Halloween cooking foods. Soup gave the holidays hot chocolate when there's a chill in the air and seeing the leaves change colors are the big things people love for fall. There was a survey about the old theory that couples in long term relationships start to look alike, you ever heard that before. He comes from a it was a study nineteen, eighty, seven, the found couple started look similar because they mostly ate the same diet kept the same lifestyle spent the same time outdoors and laugh the same out well, study out of Stanford said that's not true. Researchers ran a study. They couldn't find any evidence a couple start to look alike but. They found that couples do look alike from the beginning. They found that the average couple looks more similar than a pair of two random people because the theory is that you just naturally drawn to people who have similar facial features is you never so? that. The average woman waits two years in new relationship to talk with their partner about whether or not they want kids one day. So that's just some interesting facts. Wait two years. Okay website called compare the market analyze all the car tattoos. People have posted on Instagram to figure out which brands of cars in which specific models of cars the most common tattoos make about car tattoos. What do you think is number one Suzanne. Lamborghini, not even the top five car. What do you think? Like Mustang not even the top five, what you than sixty, nine Camaro not even in the top five top five brands, people, post get tattoos, Volkswagen Jeep, Cadillac Pontiac, and Chevrolet. Chevy Impala the DMC delorean, the Chevy Corvette, the Volkswagen Beetle in the mini Cooper get a corvette mini cooper. Tattoos? I don't really think of like. Cars for. Tattoo. Ever seen a cartel to. PT Cruiser in College. You might take of introverts having an easier time with the social isolation. This year we do. Because there used to be an introverted, but a study found true half of introverts said, he felt lonely at her share compared to just a third of its partly because extroverts have done more video chats and phone calls. introverts are hurting I. was thinking about that thinking about I think I'm an introvert. But I don't think I'm feeling because my household is so active. Right, stig about about it, and if I didn't have a wife and kids I literally be home on time but like that. Me I'm just saying that there's a new list of the best places to live in America. Number Eight is Fargo North Dakota seventy overland. Park Kansas actual North Carolina Rochester Minnesota Portland Maine Madison Wisconsin Ann Arbor Michigan and the number one best place to live in America. Fort. Collins Colorado. Family California has Halloween decorations including a fake fire. It looks so real people call the fire department. Wow that's pretty crazy. Half Christmas trees are on sale again this year you put them up against the wall. So you only have to decorate one side I like that it also probably saves space to. A woman in North Carolina, who appear to be under the influence of something drove her car into a golf course into a pond and she had to be rescued by Golf I. The guy is suing Caribbean Airlines after he said, someone there planted cocaine in his suitcase. Right somehow with everything that's happened this year the found that one in four people still don't always wash their hands before the eat. Gross Women Scott was mortified. She found out her five-year-old autographs up the thought was hand sanitizer take a school but he was actually her lube. Thank. You got a pencil. Anyway. We kinda West and life hacks. Next John Rich Use your phone the way it was originally designed to be used talking to other humans coalesce eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven, John Jay, and rich. Let's get to some life hacks. Then we'll get the Kanye. So it's life hack today rich you need to get on something maybe you don't want to attend something maybe you're late for something and you need an excuse but you don't WanNa lie this is John Days. Alive. For. Already. Go ahead I'm pretty good at this next time. You find yourself with a flat tire. Make sure you take a picture of it. The tire and they can you know anybody looks at the picture conceits your car save it, and then when you want to get out of something, all you need to do is text picture of your flat tire. You don't have to say that it just happened five minutes ago. I had a flat tire had a flat tire. You're not lying because it's past tense. Yeah. With my mom died. Happy you're. What happened your mom died? Two thousand eleven flat tire understand a little late for says that if you're not going to be. Flat tire flat tire is much better. Excuse 'cause mom died is I use that more for more dramatic? Yeah. We're dramatic impact tire. I think covers so many bases. To saving line man or. No not lie. What if they ask you about the flat tire you're. All up and say that you didn't have flood. Picture. What's up? That's what if anything? Did that just happen. What do you say? Well, when you when you compare the the birth of Earth yes. down. Way To, do but think that's an easy to get caught. In. Kyle and at the by to do that but probably would. Got Limited appeal and massive appeal for some of US okay. I'd rather send someone else's flies. You'RE GONNA. Look around a parking lot for tyrod. Google. Where are you hurry up crime scene picture of a crime dream So. Is that it? That's a good. That's a good one though. What we got kind of West, he just released his first campaign video. It's a little late considering like many people have already voted but we think that he posted this kind of encouraging people to write his name in on the ballot. In any case, this gives you an idea of if he actually continues this morning to run for presidency thing maybe another four years of what his vision is. America we as a people are called to a greater purpose than ourselves. We are not only a beacon to the world, but we should be servants to each other to encourage each other to help each other to lift up each other our fellow Americans that we may all prosper together by turning to faith, we will be the kind of nation the kind of people God intends us to be. I am Kanye West. This. I thought maybe kind of faded presidency thing. He's still doing this right I. Guess. So I guess we're still go for it still wants his name to be on the ballot. Weird. I want everyone to work together. So I don't think it's a terrible message. It's not interesting driving. It sounds a little like when they want you to volunteer at your church. It sounds like one of those videos that they put up before church. It sounds like he just wanted to be able to say Oh Kanye West and I approve this message. Is Not. Okay did everybody see the Cougar Video? I saw this guy posted a video he was being stalked by a cougar. While he was a like a jogging by amount rights, you can clearly house I watched this video several times line because I've never seen the cooker do whatever did like it's following him and just goes crazy lunged at him. Yes. So it's up our website Johnny rich icon, but he here's some of the video of you can hear it. Go. Go, please. Your get. Who Subdued Do. Scary. No. No. Yeah not going back that way. Amazing video the video is up at John Jay, which what are the chances later that night he got stopped by a Cougar again. To, come hang out with an older woman. You can come back to my place and I'll show you a real good time. Handsome. Wound Yeah go with. J. K. J. K. J.. J.? K. Rally. Anyway we got a second date update let's twenty five minutes but first, we want to get into cougar thing like that. Dude if you didn't have that video and he said I was walking for six minutes and a cougar followed me, you'd be like it was probably five seconds exaggerating no, it's a six minute video, right? So he's probably like at a party wherever he's a nobody believes me but blank happened to me we want to hear from you for example. The dude was followed by Cougar amount line thing. I mean, it looks like a Mile I. Don't know the difference I don't know. Only rich difference. Eight. Seven seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven. If he didn't video that nobody would believe in, we wanna hear from you nobody believes you but what eight seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven tell us your story John Wrench. Guy Posted video he was being stalked by Kuker. and. She's like if he was at a party telling everyone I was talking about Cougar came after being attacked three times. Nobody would believe him but he got the Vignon. Go it clear. PUSS UP DUDE. That was crazy. So we want to hear from you. Nobody believes me but blank eight, seven, seven, nine, three, seven, one, four, seven. Jen. Jen called about this Jen on the air. Good Morning I'm calling from Paradise California Oh. Hi. Hello. So I, just wanted to add because I. I run an animal shelter. So I I know you can appreciate that and I'm an animal control officer for downtown. and. I also live in the mountains. So I encounter outlines all the time Puma, outline cook or whatever you WanNa refer to a mall the same. But I just wanted to say a lot of people I've been watching the hype on it are missing that he he was approaching the cubs at first and she comes out of nowhere to protect your cuts and of course, when she's chasing him the cubs, you're still kinda falling. So she's in Mama Mama Mode. In the video go back to your cubs, go back to your cups. But I, did see in the beginning of the video. Does he sh- say that? Oh, look look at these cubs like is he doing that? Yes. There or cougar the wild you need to get the heck out of there because. The. Mama crazy. But did he do the right thing by trying to make himself bigger and like you know throwing a rocket or should you just? Should you just bang away slowly? Yeah I mean you know it could go either way I mean, of course with a kind of like all bets are off. If you've got a baby nearby but but you know we always encourage people to make yourself same bigger stereo. I mean, he seemed like you know I kind of heard he might have been a hunter as well on he may be pretty savvy 'cause he was using like the big kind of guerrilla voice and trying to scare off. So you know but also. You know he could have all just ran off and maybe not have been. It might not have gone as long maybe because he met have seen like a threat to her as well. But similarly, yeah stand tall big rocks and then try and get the heck out of their. Comfort then there's no way it looks like. Outrun. A. Cougar. You run. You. GotTa be strategic. I run like a weeble. Thanks. All right take care bye. Nobody believes you. So in high school. Me My sister, and my best friend were driving through neighborhood and where we live there's super high trees and in between two trees we saw UFO. I I what you say. y'All I totally did and I said, oh. My God look at that and everybody turns and I, and then it was gone and disappeared, and so all three of us thought. So I mean it definitely happened. What did it look like? Like. If I remember 'cause I don't remember much for me. I just remember it being Kinda like circle like what you would imagine a Ufo to look like a little bit circle, a little ton of lights, and that's all I remember is the light beam like super bright and it seemed like a circle ish and it was lower to the trees. So it definitely wasn't an airplane or anything like that didn't have propellers Sh- it. was totally ufo. Shaped. FREAKED US out. Amber. Thank you for calling just today. The government said that they've been hiding evidence of. What they are tonight. Some out there they just don't know what it is. Get dirty little secrets on hold. You, call us with a dirty little secret and we will give you a fake a superhero name. They will hear your little secret black widow. Welcome. What's your secret? I've been getting both tax for months and my husband has no idea. What else? What else going on? SO I. I actually have a full page to that. There's only like three people in my life that know about it. Let's another one. No. But I mean when you said he because you. Dm To be told me about the Bo- talks but you said he doesn't know about it but he's like. At you. Yes his started like. Really study my face in the last few weeks and it makes me uncomfortable. So I try to flip the script and I'm like so you look really good today. In, just turn it on him. So he doesn't it just kinda changes the subject, but I've definitely noticed in the last couple weeks that he's taken a particular interest in my forehead. What also got a put page I'm not sure what else I killed a man. Pray, that one. All right well Dami the page and we check it out. Thanks Blake widow. Okay Thank you. Quinn, what's your dirty little secret? Well. When I was in college, I took up with a wealthier Olguin and We spent quite a bit of time together after I graduated cum to find out actually married and moved back in with his wife whose money we were spending. got a little obsessed the went and moved about a block away from them used to break into their house and Steal Vodka from them. Done. With water And what a little psycho after that basically made up a facebook page with one of my more attractive male friends and. Catfish the waste where she totally believed it. We would even talk on the phone and I had one of those old two thousand voice changers. And basically. lived. A double life for about a year. And, family idea. How did it end or do you still talk to them? Well, yeah. We're actually still friends every year on my birthday he puts two hundred dollars in my checking account. and. Life doesn't no. No No. I have no idea i. just know that he he had an affair with you though, right Now, she found out, she found out. But. She never found out that I was actually cat fishing her was it weird when you broke into their house like you're alone in their house like whenever they do that in the movies always try to think about what's it like thinking that they're always come home? was that weird when you're? Not. At all I'm super sneaky. In just. Drink Vodka. Basically. Guess I'd probably like sit down or do you like walk around and like. Surround about on their patio? Actually years later when I was talking to him, he said that Yeah, we'll I keep for sure had a beautiful story. By Harley Quinn. Morning. Second Date Update Jones first day with Brielle checked all the boxes. It was a nice dinner. They had gained night and Brielle ended up spending the night. Bush doesn't. To come over to Jones. House anymore. But for what reason second date update is next with John Rush. It was supposed to be the start of a beautiful relationship, but somebody screwed it all up second date update right now with John. Rich my temper second date update. We're going to talk to Joel here find out how his date went. Then we're gonNA call Percy when our because apparently she doesn't want to see him again but apparently the date when great apparently apparently. Want to see him. So he's perplexed. Welcome. Joel. All. Get. So we want to hear about this person you met how you met him. They want to hear about the date and then obviously she doesn't WanNa see you. We don't know why. So we're going to trouble shoot your date but welcome to our show. Tell US everything. Out with this girl for narrow Friday night. And everything was great. zero complaints. and now she's just doing really weird with me and I I. I don't understand why would we have a good time Yes. I'm really confused. She's texting you back. Yeah but we like barely like really sort messages which is not like her Yes. So I mean in any other case I leave it alone. I'd understand. But like we had such a good time and I really like role. I know just a few days and I don't I just don't want too much time to pass Yeah. Role innocent just shifted. You know once you left my place and Not Negatively. How did you guys meet? We met on bubble. cheery shopping I and We're talking there for a while and then I asked her out. And we met up at the school, beat the place that I knew of, and we've got pizza and wine salad and. Got Pretty. Gung. had like a bottle of wine each Yeah. We're just enjoying ourselves talking just didn't want the night to end. and she suggested that we go back to my place. and so we did. I'm not wanting to say no to that. we ended up hooking up. we didn't affect I thought it was going that way but. She says she didn't want to check on the first night which you know totally cool with. We. Did full around we were naked touching now look you get the picture. But yeah, I I don't know when when we passing out but in the morning I woke up and she was gone. I check my phone She texted me. Thank you the time but that she she had to leave and so Yeah I texted her bags and passed out that I'm glad you got home. Okay. And No reply So I figured maybe she was getting more sleep So I waited a few hours I texted her again. asking you know with us. That evening and she said nothing just staying in. which I probably like okay. But like she, it was such. A short method was such a short texts plan. Like her she. W like very detailed messages emojis. Again. It's just it's just really off and and I know something's fine. No I. Just. I. Just can't put my finger on what that would be. Though is obviously something. in the hookup. Because I mean she's the one that suggested going back to your place. A Patel up until then. Something happened there. You'd think maybe because you fell asleep she was mad. Mainly, I, think we both Kinda fell asleep see fell asleep naked and then you woke up and she was gone and you're naked. Yeah Feel like woke up and she's like staring at him naked. Oh. Me So. uncomfortable. Few, is like not even undercovers usually. Cadaver. Uber Relax. What things look like. Joel, we'll get on the phone Brielle. We'll find out what's up dude. Thanks guys you got second date update continues next with John Jane Rich. Rich we're in the middle of seconded up. You've got Joan Brielle they met on bumble. They went out there has a pizza. They had a good time they were drink. She suggested going back to Jones House he's got a lot of games connect for Yahtzee, they played all these fun games that kept drinking and drinking. Then they started kissing they hooked up. Then go news bedroom ended up getting naked doing all sorts of things they did not they did not. Go all the way to not have sex but they did a bunch of other things and then a passing out both of them fell asleep naked and when he woke up she was gone. Now. He's reached out to a few times and he gets short little return messages back whereas before she would send long text messages with Emojis he knows something is wrong doll you. Know. We all know when you know. So he knows something's wrong. So he's come to us to find out what's wrong. So we're GONNA call Brielle and we're gonNA find out what's up? Are you ready Joel? War Hello, Hi is Brielle available. Hey girl this is from the John Richaud. How's it going? Good. Good. We wanted to put you on the radio to talk to you for a second if that's okay. Yeah Brielle were trying to solve the mystery. A one of could help us look straight a mystery. Oh, a mystery of a couple of went on a date and they seem to have great chemistry and have a great time. It seem on the surface that everything went. Great. Okay perfect date you might call it. Now after the date was over one of the people on the date said it was fantastic. But. This one person dates says the other person I can't get good feedback from them anymore. We're talking about you in Joel Joel. Says that you guys had a great time. He's come to us and he's perplexed. He's confused and we were like, you know what? We're just going to call Brielle and ask her what happened. He told US everything. He told us about the drinking the kissing the game playing. He told us about you guys even going to bed together spending the night the nudity. What happened Brielle who? Yeah Mean Upright I mean there's something up something happened you're not is into mature before no no, no no, he's great like he's fabulous I really really do i. It tends to shave, but it's it's definitely have to do with the about me for sure. You know it's nothing ten. It's just something that I kinda have to like figure out for myself. That makes sense. I mean kind of, but can you share more? I don't know I wanNA tell. Only mean. Say. This. On the Radio Ju said total silence you just saw. I mean. He he isn't circumcised. Oh Yeah I, don't know if you can't say that. You can say that. I don't know I don't know. I don't think so. I. Know, there's no way we'll get past that go ahead. So he's he's not now. I live. I. Just. Froze. You know and I from like of my friends told me like I heard it hurts so. I just got really. I. It hurts how? Hurt him or her. You hit yourself with it. Hurts circumcise. Mark. Up. Now, but you know. That half out, and then I wound up getting on the middle nine. On demand. You're. Doing. Looking at. that. Picture. No job. You. Taking my girlfriend, like what do I? Like dealt with one like that before and only picks. They started googling out of. Fun. So I know an. I mean, part of my my friends. My head and he fights the out even more like there were all these crazy things. Like. Your it's grown. Back to. Nothing wrong. How do you say that to a dude? Yeah that's pretty. Bad Right now I do have this theory though I do think that a woman who's with a man who's not circumcised. Like they could win fear factor. I can't. That's right. That's next level. Really, because he's on. Richardson circumcise. Catholic of course I'm circumcised. Know any. Any of those mental pictures. Work with. Them. Brill- I mean. We can find out for sure. Joel. Did, you hear all that? Cordial Yeah Wow. Okay. So on European S-. So my parents and it's normal there and you know it's the. Most under culture, it's Not Coming could be afraid of I those so sorry, i. I don't do that. You would hear all that like. I I didn't know what to do and I really liked you know and I don't WanNa? Son You like my. I call him blames them and I'm so sorry I am like. Yeah. You're right. It is. I wasn't normal but I think now it's like Joel would you even want to move forward? Obviously we still want to know Braille would want to give you another chance because literally like. She said everything else about us like. Everything. She wants seems like what you WanNa move forward because that would be so awkward for you. Everything is really great. Obviously. been all this. If I had been Laker, it was just. Like Feel like you're. You know easily influenced by your friends. Oh. I'm sorry. Look I really sorry and I feel so awful about. Any incident. Partly the alcohol off and I just needed some guidance and I'm so sorry for on I'm sorry for telling the and. You really in your great like like can I please make up to please like I don't know how But Trying. I was more scared than anything. But like you know sure for semi, you see something like that. Close up probably terrifying, right rich. I don't know. What do you guys think I would say all again, this could be I. Mean it's letter get used to it. That's what I would do. That'd be my angle you need to see it more. Use, of, course. Section, she has to look at it and see that it's very normal. Look transparency. Now, they understand each other. Work I had a one point. I had a wallet that was made out of skin from foreskin. Excuse me. When you rub it, it turned into a suitcase. Really are. Not. Helping Joe. Long Time we can get one of those types of jokes in on the show. Anyway reality say guys go out I would. Like to go out again. I mean we. Got Along so well on I, really like us of. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else like that comes up just. Talk to me about it now, your friends. Every role skin behind your back. Joel Skin. In all honesty, I think girls do discuss their mentz members with others when they first started dating. No. I mean sh- her friends would probably know either way. Nothing to be insecure about Joel. All right. Good to know Okay Yeah I'm I'm down to try again. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you I'm sorry you. Know as. Mushroom. EMOJI. Works. We were just. To get a little mushroom. No Martin no more. No Wrong Joan Brielle. Thanks on show that second date update. Leno nobod- somebody said you couldn't do something. And you proved him wrong if I'm going to do it. Jessica. What happened? So I proved my dad wrong about six seven years ago in Washington biggest loser and he was saying that we couldn't lose weight like they did and I was like, yes, we can't. He's like, no, it can't. Always pounds. And he said, no, you can't. Well, how about if you pay me ten dollars per pound fifty pounds and I lose it, he's like deal. So I went to June twice a day and a strict. Pounds in like four or five months. Good for you. Did Dad pay. Oh. Absolutely I brought him the scales here giving check now. please. And then it The best thing it happened because he like. Gives gives me in hundred dollar bills like gay like you know. Bills and then. But because I lost the weight then my now husband of five years. So it was like the best to happen to me because I got like self confidence. And like that. Would happy ending what a great story that. Thanks Jessica thanks for shared with us. Adam. But somebody said, you couldn't do it and you did it. Yeah approves new friends wrong. We're out to a bar and they said. I. Bet you can't eat a bunch of chicken wings. So, I had to prove them wrong and eight about sixty chicken wings six am. Yeah it was horrible. I had to walk home about three blocks because I couldn't down. And then I also had a sore throat for about four days because. They were Buffalo. Wing. Yeah See. I think I could eat sixty chicken wings sixty. That's a lie. Chilly for your stomach. Could. Do it you. Don't exhaust challenge. To. Getting in years, chicken girls have to do it I'd have to do something else. I wouldn't be good for you. But after watching that after Golden Vegan for such a long time, chicken really grosses me out can't explain it. Yeah. Thanks Adam. Thanks calling into. The crap. The whole chicken. Back together came out. One guy that's a lot. This big. EPIC. Three, four, five, six, ten. By myself and I feel like I have a good appetite. I can eat a box of crispy cream, a whole box of crispy cream. Yes yeah. I've done it many times. In your mouth. Thanks. Yeah I took I. Used to take a dozen come in a box. I would take him in, smash them all down to eat a hamburger. Board, they're they're. They're they're all the radio station without just? Come every day. I. Just different ways of eating crispy cream. Knows gross might. All fat to have like an all time food take down that you remember that day like he remembers a sixty wings to have one of those. There was a restaurant in Texas north of Houston and they had a hamburger eating. There was a hamburger there had to be like a ten pound hamburger and if you eat the ten pound hamburger, you get it for free. And I felt like I could do it and I sat there and tried to out for an hour. But I remember, I, didn't mentally prepare right? Because it was like I knew I was going to eat it. I was stopped by the restaurant. And I was like, Oh, I can do that but I, had eaten. And I got halfway through it and by that time I was there like an hour in the meat was cold. I couldn't. I did something like that too. It was like you get the Burger for free if you eat it all but I got so close to finishing. But at the end, it was just like that just the texture. Start Gagging is cold. Emma what did you do because someone told you can do it So I went into college and I my Dad said that I would never graduate college and I actually ended up dropping out but I went back and now I've been a nurse for eight years. Nice. Good. Thanks for calling in yeah. Dave. Dave. Took Dave I go backpacking through Europe with grant Dave. Dave were both my best man at my wedding. So Dave when I was a college, he dared me to join the rowing team at San Diego. State. There's no way. So I joined the rowing team and. I did it was on the rowing team I did really well, I was on the top boat and we did really well to the Super Bowl rolling. And then Dave dared me there was a job opening at the college radio station. He dared me to go front and I did and I got the job so that's probably why I'm here. I should. Like really enhanced your life. Good dare. I don't really talk to David Anymore. You should. You should tell them. Thank you. Who knows he probably dare you to do something else that might change her life for the better? I know Jeremy Dave Dave sick of this job my next chance. To become a billionaire. Real quick to high school teachers you're about this in San Francisco they're on leave because they were caught badmouthing students on zoom. Three real quick. Zoom. Zoom is over. Another talking smack about the students but one of the MOMS still up in the MOM recording this. These kids technologically league illiterate. Not. Dog couldn't believe that I heard that come out of teachers mouth other students were still logged in comment like these note that you guys are still recorded if I wouldn't have brought it this far that those teachers still showed back up in class today like it was nothing. Stinks. Is very frustrating for teachers know. Where about this whole? Oh by the way. So yes, he was my kids first day at school I in person guess what happened Kuroda virus outbreak? Day One outbreak outbreak Saudi mother mothers, an outbreak they called it an outbreak still. Still School or listing details day to your Mike is we now know no, that's cool. Okay. Well, they said they if your kid has nose or a fever, don't bring him in school, there was outright An outbreak is two or more. So. That means exactly. They'll get specific although my son's know exactly who has it But Anyway Suzanne had a little mishap at the house right. All right we'll get into that next enrich. We'll leave you on red. We reply triumphs texted Jj are in your message tonight six, eight, nine, three John Jane Rich. Happened at your house. This is Tom Barrasso thing so embarrassing. So when the pandemic started, you know the gym's closed down. So Mr Baby Ni- by little started to buy gym equipment. And we've kind of transformed one of our bedrooms into like a mini home gym and it has everything that we need. So we love like we've canceled our gym memberships and we're happy about that. We don't have to spend money on that but yesterday I was pumped up I was like all right getting a workout in I'm going to be consistent this time because it's actually pretty hard. To be consistent when you just have the gym right there Oh work later or workout tomorrow the Jim Ain't going nowhere. So it's so pre-workout I'm ready to go. I'm working out legs. I'm inside like a squat rack that we have and Abba tiny TV in in our little home gym too and I'm watching a standup on Netflix and it's it I love it because it's kind of. Keeping, my mind away from the pain when I'm working out because I'm watching this thing. I'm squatting and have dumbbells all over me because I'm lunging in the same place and you know squat rack like you have the bars at the bottom so that if you if your legs give out when you're squatting those those bars on the sides, catch the the the weight. So I'm watching this standup show and I'm working now and I'm just kind of like out especially like gone pre-workout. Loom like my phone nowhere to be seen. Little kids that get close to the TV, when they're like their mouth is open and they're like drawn, that's how I got one point I was just staring at the TV. I, start walking backwards. and. All, the dumbbells are on the floor. So I trip on one of the dumbbells and I fought backwards to where I'm bent over backwards like on the bar of the squad wreck. I look like the exorcist I'm just laying there and I'm just like Oh and his hard on my lower back. And I just later I just. Don't get. And as soon as I sit up are just sit on the ground I look out the door to see Mr Baby saw he didn't thank goodness but I, just lay there on the floor now like defeated like I can't work out anymore this is. Turn it back into a bedroom. Host Kyle is cameras over. Back, and watch that. INSTAGRAM VIDEO SEARCH FOR Hurt so bad and I'm like I. Now I understand why the James are constantly like rewrite your weight you know. The. Now I need to get science where myself. That can put my weight way. You're somebody who didn't put these weights away. Baby with. Myself, this is still her today that lower back hurt oh no. Hopefully goes the way I. think it's just sore. Bruised a little bit. Yeah. Mess up your lower back Tattoo. You'll have a little. We have a very special presidential version of beaches am presidential. John Rich. I would play beach. Zam. Lawrence contestant. Hello. Lauren. How are you guys? Choose at how do we play this game right? So it's normal beaches them I'm gonNA play a popular song for you. You have seven seconds to hear it three seconds to lock in the title and the artists of the song with a chance to get two points. Now, we are plane the presidential version. So they do men's mention a president of the United. States save you can tell me who it is. They mentioned I can give you a third points and it's okay if you take a couple of seconds after the BUZZER. Cool. Good luck. We're going to start the game with. John Jay. Was Go. Show. Guys on. Obama. That is low Wayne with Swiss beats uproar two points for you. Now, the president that they mentioned is Donald Trump. You listen to Darnall. not bad. Points right there and these some of these are older songs and some of them are new, just a heads up our up next as rich. Can Now when you Try Berry Seven. Sorry I'll about the Benjanmin notorious B I g diddy. And Benjamin Flint Franklin. Very. Tricky. Is Three things to think about. I'm sorry. No point for you. They're rich up next as kyle. Three? Rolling. Okay it's Tanya. is that. I. Don. I. Ran Out of time. So does it matter I can't remember the name of the song and the President that he? Brings Up is Clinton Bill Clinton. No that the song is called power by the way it is. So you got point for that's but he mentions Barack Obama. Obama Nation of Obama's. The. One out of fifty chance leave their tricky man they're super tricky but Kyle and John J on on the board. Here you go. Thank. God I. I'm not like huge on like the big old rapper but I wanna say like I wanna say like two or something that was Nellie with country grammar and you want to take a guess on the president that he mentioned. I guess. I mean I guess Clinton Actually Donald Trump. Yeah. Danny was just a game show host right now I know now he's the president. So sorry Lauren Open over John J. Lead wouldn't do points Kyle has one point rich Lauren zero round to back over to John Jay. Bank account? That's That's that's a little baby little nosy low baby that's Oh my God and that's you talking about Barack Obama. And it's A, little baby here is going to Piss me off. Baby the baby's on that song with drake and low Yati. Yati Song, but they do mention Barack Obama back home on new president I'm Lebron's. Though John Louis with four points Penn stopped work. Okay. There we go. Rich over to you. Going down. Garrett's need to go. Maybe He's going down Time. Did you say the title? down. That's what it's called. You do. As title, so I can't take a free point. Ask. You did say it though did you? It's a young jock. Okay. President that he mentions he mentioned taft because grimes shaft? Donald. Trump. Sorry rich no point for you there. Kyle you. Talk Ain't warn against the grain everything. Pro. So. Okay let's Kanye again. Guests. It is. Tough one I was gave versus the people with Ti, and he just mentioned Donald Trump. This. Is Trump approved the president. Iraq I got three points there below and I will give you ten points. If you can guess the artists title or the President that this person mentions. Gosh I didn't try term. Okay. female You WanNa. Take again with the president. I wanna say I feel like I'm going with a you know the. How the flow of everything's going. So I WANNA. Say. Obama. No. That was the nettle by Jennifer Lopez with Cardi B. and the mentioned Benjamin Franklin Management. Laureate John To. Franklin was the president now still counts though president he wouldn't president never. He's on a hundred dollar bill she said presidential. He was. Very. Highly. President. Still. Father. Sure. Perhaps anyway. That was a good C-. Good. That was tough. So there are no songs with President Bush there aren't they skipped that there are, but they're not very familiar. So. Okay. Very Good College of the things you need to know. Prime Day but you may want to surf around a little bit. I'll explain I'll tell you three things you need to know next to John Jane Rich. Now back to John. We need to know today. Okay. So it is Amazon Prime Day which of course, you get some great deals on really kind of a whole mixture of everything. However, they're saying, don't spend all of your time surfing around for Amazon deals. Literally, there's a ton of other hours. Probably your favorite store has basically prime like black Friday like type deals today, and possibly further the end of the month everyone from Walmart, all the way to Nordstrom vy best buy I mean literally chew if you get your dog products there, there's so many deals. Available Online. So if you're looking for a great deal, just try out your favorite site I, and of course, there's lots of websites that have put all of the different deals down but too many for me list right now, AMC theaters you guys they are in danger of running out of cash by the end of the year or possibly early twenty, twenty one if movie goers don't return I know a lot of people have been very hesitant to go back into the movie theaters obviously because of covid the company made. This big statement just in some public filings this morning. So they say attendance is obviously at an all time low and they say they're not really sure if they're going to have enough money to survive and we've talked about the future of movie theaters with the advent of them releasing new releases on streaming, and it looks like it is it is taking a pretty huge hit so. This is something it's not really like a deal, but it's something to look forward to on Thursday Nike is dropping a special collection of shoes the Air Max, Ninety Air Jordan won the blazer mid and the debrief type. Those are all classic Nike Shoes but they're all getting a pretty colorful makeover day of the dead inspired upgrades if you will all four of those shoes will They look really cool author. They all have different like shapes and hues of the miracle flower. That's obviously the flower that's commonly found day of the dead festivities or if you seen cocoa one all over that movie they all have different variations of the swoosh. 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Ep. 821 - The Bad Faith Olympics

The Ben Shapiro Show

1:01:11 hr | 1 year ago

Ep. 821 - The Bad Faith Olympics

"President Trump disavows the centre-back crowd chant Democrats lament John McCain little late and the squad continues its radical push. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro Show alrighty all righty so we do have a lot coming up for you today on today's show and let's just jump right into president trump over the last twenty four hours was in a whole lot of water y while he went to one of his rallies in this came in the aftermath of tweets that he sent earlier this week he sent tweets on on Sunday and those tweets he told a bunch of progressive congresswoman that they should go back to their home countries the problem being that three of the four progressive congresswoman who's talking about were born right here and the fourth is a naturalized American citizen so telling them to go back to their home countries because you don't like their politics checks. That's not good that's bad stuff and then president from morph that argument into what I really meant was. If you don't love the country you can leave it at any time well. That's not an unusual argument. That's had a place in American politics for very long time. It's not really an argument so much as it is an emotional appeal appeal if you don't like it you you're free to leave in fact Hollywood stars use this all the time as well. You know trump is elected. I'M GONNA move up to Canada and nobody ever actually moves up to Canada at. This sort of argument has been used really since the beginning of the republic. You don't like it here. You can always take off. No ones keeping you here okay. That's that that argument is not particularly objectionable on its face. The argument that is more objectionable is go back to home country. That's objectionable. Maybe Zena phobic but the president president trump bendon rally and the Rallye happened in North Carolina. This happened two nights ago and the president of the United States was talking about l.. Henault Mark Ilhan Amar is the worst of the so-called squad. The squad is composed of course of A._O.. See and Ilhan Omar and Rashida to leave and IANNA Presley an Illinois. Omar is the most radical member of the squad not necessarily in terms of domestic politics but certainly in terms of language uses about the United States the language that she uses about terror groups her history of of going easy on for example Isis recruiter where the letter to a judge recommending the people attempting to join Isis be given more lenient sentences her her anti Semitic comments have been routine and common and so trump went after L. Hanna Marin record and then the crowd taking a cue you from his original tweets earlier this week started chanting sent her back and president trump didn't say anything at the rally he kind of just stood there and took it now. The president should have done as he should have immediately stepped in and said hold on a second now voter out right not send her back when not sending any American citizens prisons back anywhere and in fact on American to suggest that the exercise of the First Amendment should subject you to deportation and that's that's a bad thing obviously but trump really didn't know what to do on that stage so a lot of folks took that as president trump is during it president trump is is fine with it well over the last twenty four hours. The president retracted that basically he came out against that chant. We'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about your cell phone plan so you're probably spending a fortune on your cell phone plan and you're thinking why am I spending spending this much money on my cell phone plan. 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DOT COM Slash van meant mobile dot com slash van cut your wireless bill to MM fifteen bucks a month admit mobile dot com slash when there's no reason for you to be spending enormous quantities of cash to pay for data that you are never going to use you can have exactly the same coverage for a fraction of the price meant mobile dot com slash Ben and get your new wireless plan for just fifteen bucks a month the plans ship to your door for free mobile dot com slash Ben Okay so president trump yesterday did the right thing and the right thing was for him to disavow this chance and that is what he did so using the Oval Office is doing oppressor and he was asked about this by the media and he disavowed it. He said I don't like the Chan and now media will see as they covered it. The media were not interested in his apology and the media are not interested in the walk back the media want him to continue saying what he what he was saying earlier this week and they wanna continue pushing the notion that Republicans are by and large racist and xenophobic and WANNA send everybody who doesn't look like them back to their home and all this kind of stuff so here's trump's response to the send them back Chen now. If you're a good American you should be pretty happy that the president backed off of this because whether elect trump or not it is not good for our politics as I pointed out repeatedly yesterday on the show it is very bad for our politics to have political leaders saying things that are morally indefensible so if a political leader or going along with things that are morally indefensible so for political leader backs off of that thing that's good for the country generally speaking. Here's president trump yesterday good for him. This is the right thing he lets you don't get full credit because you're earlier. tweets SORTA led this thing off and you also don't get full credit because he didn't stop the chance but you certainly get partial credit for doing the right thing now and at least saying to your own base. Let's not make this thing a thing at our rallies right. How about how not every rally includes a send them back chant because come on as here's president trump backing off of it when you're supporters last night? We're counting chanting sent sent her back. Why didn't you stop them? Why didn't you ask them to stop saying well number? One I think I did I started speaking very quickly. It really was a loud I disagree with it by the way but it was quite a chance and uh I felt a little bit about it but I will say this I did and I started speaking very quickly but it started rather rather fast as you probably know. You'll tell your supporters never will. I would say that Eh I was not happy with it. I disagree with it but again. I didn't say I didn't say that they did so there's trump backing off of it and listen trump's followers no the cue which has cut this Liebau right. Stop that right now. I don't like it now. DID President Trump. Stop it in his tracks. Now I pointed this out yesterday. There's not a great excuse for that. It is true that if you look at his body language normally if you watch any trump rallies when people were chanting locker up the president basically walk away from the microphone and then he would proceed to kind of conduct the audience or not along with the chant or clap along with the chain and see any of that from president trump that doesn't mean that he was actively putting a damper on it he obviously was not but now he's actively putting a damper on it are the media though going to that of course not so C.. N. N. ran a headline and said trump claims to disavow chance he no no he disavowed it. A disavowal is a is a pattern of speech in which you disavow something something you can't claim to disavow something without disavowing the thing if I disavow white supremacy you can't say Shapiro claims to Disavow White Supremacy Shapiro disavows white supremacy is the headline Shapiro disavows. Whatever like a disavowal vowel is where you disavow thing C._N._n.? Wasn't having any of that C._N._N.'s chirons yesterday ran things like president disavows. The disavows chant while at the same time maintaining tweet from Sunday's okay. Why don't you actually just report what he did yesterday? You can give the context that's fine but you're chirons. Don't actually have to be five hundred word essays about why you find his words insufficient at this point. That's not journalism anymore. Now you're editorializing so the greatest of objective reporters among it's Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo decided that they were going to demonstrate the president didn't do enough at the rally which is true. He didn't do enough at the rally but then he came out and said okay this is bad. I don't like it so instead on C._N._N.. Yesterday they said watch. We're going to stay silent for thirteen seconds. This is what it looks like when you don't say anything for thirteen seconds while people say bad things just bear with me. Don't say anything don't say anything for an. I'm going to start the stopwatch. Just don't say anything another just sitting there Chris Cuomo's sipping his coffee does Don Lemon and they just sit there for thirteen seconds and this is supposed to it's the thirteen seconds that mattered most in American history and there's Chris Cuomo doing his hair was a longtime wasn't longtime. I had several different thoughts about you. During at that moment you get my point. I do one hundred percent and he's lying. He's lying because he liked it. He needs at this point and he could've stopped it but he didn't. He wants those people to have their outrage fed and then he wants the rest. I think what he does. Isn't that outrageous so question. Why didn't he just double down on it? I mean president. Trump is very fond of doubling down on things so if you liked it he couldn't make the staple of every single one of his rallies remember. He did that listen. The media had a bleep fit when it came to lock occur up and the president did not back off locker up. The president started chanting locker up he donald trump is not famous for backing off things that he likes he moves on them like a bleep ramming like when president trump likes things he goes after them. This is not a typical typical president trump move is to back off this this comment okay but what is most disingenuous about the media coverage of trump president trump backing off of this and telling his crowd stop all of this is the routine that the media do now with regard to John McCain and this is how you got trump conversation with somebody last night and he's asking why is it that so many Republicans are having a tough time disavowing bad things that trump says and I said because most Republicans and most conservatives feel that they are not going to be given credit for doing the correct moral thing and that in essence we're not going to trust you guys to make those judgments because the fact is that you would rip any Republican the same way that you are ripping trump just hatred more because he doesn't have your Highfalutin speech patterns and the you can see a pure example this so the media. Media yesterday they were they were aghast at trump of course which I was not pleased with President trump go back to the show obviously but the media were aghast at president trump and what did they start doing. They started talking about the wonders. There's of John McCain. I talked yesterday on the program are that John McCain and John McCain shutting down a person at one of his rallies who suggested the Barack Obama's Muslim. I said that was the right thing to do good for John McCain now. I can say that because I supported John McCain in two thousand eight when he he ran against Barack Obama I voted for him. I stumped for him. I raise money for him. The members of the media who are now coming out of the woodwork appraise John McCain well a little late guys a little late because it turns out. 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How did you hear about US box so that they know that we sent you rate Shapiro again and in that how did you hear about US spots in rock auto dot com so they know that we saying okay so as I say the media aghast at President Trump and playing and paying tribute to John McCain's here is Don Lemon last night thing whereas John McCain what whatever happened to Republicans like John McCain him? I'm so tired of the media but I think it'll be hilarious when it years now let's head burt. Let's say the Donald Trump wins and then there's another race after after for that and then the Republican loses. We've you know things which they tend to every eight years in the United States. It's hard to win. A third term for your party is Hillary Clinton Group. Let's say that they switch so ten years from now. When another Republican is running for the nomination the nation in for twenty for the twenty twenty eight election it's going to be highly highly entertaining watching the media talk about the Halcyon days of president trump and his moderate policy proposals and the fact that he was willing to reach across the the aisle because this is what the media with every Republican as soon as they are no longer a threat then they become wonderful people again so here's John McCain here is Don Lemon on John McCain last night? I want everyone to be respectful and let's make sure we are because that's the way politics should be conducted in America to. Let's make sure we're all respectful. Those were the days <hes> the crowd booed Barack Obama Senator McCain got them cheering when he said being respectful as the way politics should be conducted in America for that. It'd be nice to hear again seems like an awfully long time ago doesn't it now. I'm not suggesting that American politics has always been respectful. I'm not that naive but there was a time when at least east people tried right okay John McCain people tried people listen. I specifically mentioned the Cincinnati yesterday. Show John McCain handled that correctly when it came to Iraq obam being called Muslim flashback October eleven two thousand eight. There's a man named Don woman. You may have heard of him from five seconds ago on C._N._N.. And Don Lemon tweeted this out. The question is do you think the McCain campaign is creating a political environment that is inciting hate and hate speech the same the same Don Lemon who's talking about the civility and wonder of American politics in two thousand eight and the fundamental decency of John McCain was suggesting that Republicans and John McCain specific specific campaign was creating a political environment is a direct quote is creating a political environment that is inciting hate and hate speech in other words. You are no Republicans. Don't trust you guys on this crap because you say the same exact crap about every Republican including John McCain you're going around praising John McCain as this wonderful civil fellow and when it came to comedy in the U._S. Senate when it came to treatment of his political opponents I think there is truth to that but you didn't treat him like that and you're full of it. Now you're full of it now and so what Republicans as listen listen if we're going to get treated like garbage and we're going to get treated like we are inciting hate and hate speech then you might as well have a president. Who's going to punch people in the face? That's how you got trump guys. This is how you got trump and and this was the meam yesterday you had Chuck Schumer. You're yesterday on the floor of the Senate. Thing was in what president trump does is so vile and so terrible in so unprecedented. I lament the fact that there is no John McCain anymore. John McCain is long gone. What are we supposed to do what was shouted enchanted at the rally last night without the president upbraiding them who's despicable despicable? The only way president trump will stop is when Republicans on the other side have the honor the decency the courage courage to tell him to stop history will show this. This is a moment. There's no John McCain anymore when this kind of bitter racism emerged at his town hall meeting. There's no John McCain anymore amazing edited. Let me let me just let me just flashback okay. I'm GONNA flashback to the two thousand eight race. John Lewis the civil rights icon and Georgia Congress person was he was tapped by John McCain as possible adviser here is what John Lewis said what about John McCain at the time and now John Lewis of course leading the charge against Donald Trump. Here's what John Lewis. The civil rights icon had to say about John McCain Circa two thousand eight is October eleventh two thousand eight again quote this from Politico Civil Rights icon Georgia Congressman John Louis is accusing John McCain and Sarah Palin stoking hate likening the atmosphere Republican campaign events to those featuring George Wallace the segregationist former governor of Alabama and presidential candidate McCain's campaign has responded with a statement in the candidates name urging Barack Obama's repudiate Korea Lewis's comments to Barack Obama Repudiate Lewis's comments no no he did not Barack Obama sat back and allowed John Lewis without any sort of blowback to suggest that John McCain was running a George Wallace light campaign so do I want to hear from you guys now. What a wonderful Guy Hi John McCain was and how John McCain was the model for American Politics and Oh for the days of John McCain? Now you guys can shut the hell up. You can shut right up because you're crapping all over John McCain I was there at the time I remember it. You were crapping Oliver. You're suggesting that he was a racist and a bit get you were suggesting that he was a vicious campaigner. WHO's attempting to knife innocent Barack Obama in the back? You did all of this and then you wonder why Republicans were like well. That's not even true about John McCain. So if you're GONNA say it over in over about us then we may as well get a guy who will club you. This is how you got from. Nobody's GonNa play by your rules if you don't abide by your own rules because you're you're rules don't exist rules are bunch of nonsense. John Lewis said George Wallace never threw a bomb he never fired a gun but he created a climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who are simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights because of this atmosphere of hate four little girls were killed on a Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham Alabama senator McCain and governor Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division Asian and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse. He said that about John McCain in two thousand eight John McCain and it's the exact same language they are now calling Donald Trump George Wallace you keep saying paying everybody's George Wallace eventually people conclude that no one is George Wallace and you guys can just you can walk. Take a long walk right off a short pier. Now this is particularly true when you look at the contrast and coverage between how the media cover Donald Trump and how the the media covered the radicalism in hate emanating from the Democratic Party so Donald Trump tweeted out this morning he tweeted out quote it is amazing how the fake news media became crazed quote unquote over the chance sent her back by a packed arena a record crowd in the great state of North Carolina. You gotTa love how President Trump under all circumstances will never miss an opportunity to point out that he has amazing grasp but his totally calm and accepting of most vile and disgusting statement made by the three radical left congresswomen mainstream media which have lost all credibility as either officially or unofficially become a part of radical left Democrat Party. It is a sick partnership so pathetic to watch they even covered a tiny stage crowd is agreed to foul mouth <unk> Omar in Minnesota a state which will win in two thousand twenty because they can't stand her and her hatred of our country and they appreciate all that I've done for them opening up mining and much mar which has led to the best employment and economic year in Minnesota's lung and beautiful history unquote president trump wrong about this. He's not wrong about this media attention to the crowd chant which was appropriate it was appropriate but you know what is inappropriate ignoring the fact that there was a terrorist attack on an ice facility over the weekend and the person committed that terrorist attack was a member of Antifa and that member of Antifa was suggesting that the ice facility was actually a quote concentration camp and then a bunch of top Democrat congresswoman the members of the squad were specifically asked by the rebel and the daily caller whether in fact they would condemn that a terror attack and the only one who eventually said she might condemn acts of violence as A._O.. See All the others have remained silent. There's no further comment from IANNA Presley or Ilhan Omar or Rashida to leap. About any of that and still known has asked about the incitement chart so everybody on the left keep saying that Donald Trump is inciting violence everything he says incites violence. He's going to be responsible for millions of deaths. He's going to be responsible for an enormous number of of people getting hurt. He's going to be responsible for violence upon violence upon violence at this is the line about Donald trump because of his rhetoric a person walked over to an ice facility and try to blow it up with a canister of fuel and it was only rifling shot I trouble while quoting E._e._O._C. and they won't even ask about it now. I don't think he's responsible for that. Guy And I don't think unless Donald Trump is calling for violence. He's responsible for violence but that's not the media standard and that's not A._F._C.. Standard so when it comes to imbalance imbalance of coverage that would be imbalanced coverage right there which is a bigger story and attempted terror attack on an ice detainment facility. You know an actual act of violence or the president saying stupid garbage as is his usual ones on all days ending and why why I understand it's a big story when the president says something particularly when he sets a new low I get it. I covered it this week. Go back and listen to the show. I'm just pointing out. There's a slight imbalance in political coverage and so as president trump and he is not wrong about this and as we will see the squad is not letting up the squad is not letting up in any way is we'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about something that we can all agree is awesome and that of course is saving cash. Honey is a free tool that you download to your computer's Browser Sir while you shop online honey scans the Internet for coupon codes and other discounts and then it automatically applies the coupon with the biggest savings to your card at checkout just like magic so you might ask. How do I know honey has my back? Does it really work. 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She's a congress person but you think might be a story in the mainstream media when Presley says over the last weekend that black people aren't black unless they agree with her gay people aren't gay unless they agree with her and Muslim people aren't Muslim unless they agree with bill hemmer. You might think it would receive like a little more coverage when for for example suggests that ice agents are blatant racists yell the weekend after a terror attack on an ice facility so yesterday A._O._C. was speaking with Kevin McLean who is the acting head of Department of Homeland Security and she went after ice agents labeling ten thousand of them racist now. She's doing this on the basis of bad information. I'll explain what she gets right which is not much and what she gets wrong. In just a second here she is maligning ice agents across the country as racists and bigots and brutality laden pieces of human debris in this is pretty vicious stuff that she is saying about you know the people who are putting their lives on lines protect people on the border and also to go out of their way to save thousands of lives every year for refugees trying to cross the Rio Grande and have to be escorted to ports of entry here is here's A._O.. Going after Kevin mcelwain and after ice agents more generally do not have a dehumanizing culture T._v.. This is Nancy that rescues skews four thousand people a year. That's absolutely committed to the wellbeing of everyone that they interact with and there's a dehumanizing call mister secretary so you don't think that having ten thousand officers in a violent racists group sharing rape memes of members of Congress points to any concern of dehumanized culture cars from in those posts are unacceptable. They're being investigated but I don't think it's fair to apply them to the entire organization organization or the even the members of that group believed or supported those posts okay mcelwain is totally right about this so here is what happened okay according to Propublica they said members of a secret facebook group for current and former border patrol agents joked about the deaths of migrants discuss throwing Burritos at Latino members of Congress visiting detention facility in Texas on Monday and posted a vulgar illustration depicting A._O._C. engaged in oral sex with the detained migrant according to screen shots of their postings. All this of course is discussing PROPUBLICA says in one exchange group members responded with indifference Brinson wisecracks to the post of a news story about a sixteen year old Guatemalan migrant who died in May while in custody at a border patrol station in Westlake. Oh Texas one member posted Jif of elmo with the quote. Oh well created in August two thousand sixteen. The facebook group is called. I'm ten fifteen and both roughly ninety five hundred members from across the country ten fifteen is border patrol code for aliens in custody. The group described itself in an online introduction as a forum for funny and serious discussion about work with the patrol. Remember you're never alone in this family. The introduction said and then they talk about these specific comments a so were these comments that were posted by the moderators. No these were not comments posted by the moderators on facebook like this demonstrates such an ignorance of how facebook works on facebook when you have a group like this there the moderators who post stories and then there are people who comment under the stories and you can go through virtually any facebook page I promise you facebook page to and you can find people who are members of her page or fans of her page or commenting on stories and saying vile disgusting things. Is that my mind all of A._O._C.'s facebook facebook page or all of US Border Patrol facebook page no it doesn't because no one reads the comments on facebook or if they do. It's like five people reading each other's comments so is there a subset of people who ought to be called out and prosecuted and disciplined whatever the law the demands of course by Medellin on says that he says people have been put on administrative leave people input on desk jobs people are being punished. We are investigating all of this but she's maligning ten thousand border patrol agents and former border patrol agents because there were like five posts apparently were ugly on a on a border patrol page over the course of years presumably mean the head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Joaquin Castro reviewed the facebook discussions was incensed he said it confirmed some of the worst criticisms teams of customs and Border Protection the clearly agents or desensitized to the point of being dangerous to migrants and their co workers so A._F._C. takes some bad comments on our facebook page and then uses it to smear the entire border patrol agency now ails he then turned back to trump and she says that trump's ugly comments this week put millions of Americans in danger so she is the one who's constantly suggesting that if you make a comment politically that does not call for violence against anybody they are putting millions of not not just her not just still head Omar millions of Americans in danger her so here she is explaining the trump is inciting violence basically here. She is president millions of Americans in danger. It's rhetoric is endangering lots of people. It's not just about threats to individual members of Congress but it is about creating a volatile environment in this country through violent rhetoric that puts anyone except that she has accused the same thing right she just last week the leaves. She and her friends went on National T._V. ON C._B._S. and they made exactly the same claim about Pelosi. They said that Pelosi was creating incitement of violence against members of Congress. Here's the question for so if trump's rhetoric which admittedly handedly was bad earlier this week. I have said that one million times this week. I can't say it any more times than I can but it would get boring at a certain point you know my opinion on. I hit him as hard as anybody right or left over the chance at the rally yesterday. Everyone one knows this. This is undeniable so she says that that sort of language leads to violence again. There was an ice attack. There's an attack on an ice facility by a person quoting AILSA last weekend and she's back out there suggesting that homeland security agents in border patrol agents across the country are systemically desensitized to violence and are basically violent racists and no one will ask a question about it no one you think maybe that's why so many conservatives are just discounting whatever the media have to say even when the media are making a proper criticism of President Donald Trump because they say listen your criticism of president trump comes in the context of you being smear artists and it doesn't just is not just limited to an ill hen Omar. She's going after trump this week but where is the media coverage of Ilhan Amar's ars radicalism so here's Ilhan Omar yesterday being surrounded by media and declaring the president trump is a fascist okay. You may not like president trump's rhetoric. I don't like President Trump's rhetoric a lot of times but if president trump were an actual fascist you think that would be able to run run around the country saying that president trump was natural fascist. The Marco Fascism generally is not allowing your political opponents to call you a fascist all that often here's Ohana Mar making that case we have said this president is racist. We have condemned like racist remarks. I believe is fascist. I want to remind people that this is what this president and his supporters have our country that is supposed to be a country where we allow democratic debate debate and descent to take place and so this is not about me. This is about US fighting for what this country truly should be so president trump fascist important point out at this point that Ilhan Omar. Has stood against sanctions against both Venezuela as well as Iran so when it comes to actual fascism on planet earth she seems pretty okay with it based on the based on country of origin the only countries that she seems pretty down on the leadership of those countries she she really is not fond of president trump obviously and he's not fond of her either calling him. A Fascist is obviously untrue and she hates his Roerich is so this is the part where it becomes maddening so ill Anamar pursued what is indeed Nancy's medic trope yesterday not no not even a trump who was an anti-semitic policy not anti-semitic just by my lights and by the lights of Nancy Pelosi a month ago said in front of a pack that beatty s boycott divestment and sanctions from Israel is anti Semitic policy that it is bigoted policy well yesterday Ilhan Omar sponsored the resolution not only backing boycotts investment and sanctions against Israel but comparing Israel to Nazi Germany from nineteen thirty three to nine hundred forty one you know the place to kill all the Jews. She compared the Jewish state to the place that killed all the Jews that has she been asked to quietly. No one asked her about this. How how how is that not a top line story? I mean she is at the top of the news and the president is making the case. She's an Anti Semite and the meteorology no. She's not an anti semite cheese just awesome well wouldn't you. You asked Nancy Pelosi whether she pursued this is it's mind boggling. It is mind boggling. How bad the media art their jobs and how bias they are at their jobs? The media spent yesterday defending Ilhan Omar from legitimate critiques like her antisemitic comments. No she's not on Anti Semite how dare you take out of context and then she's critiqued over her history of possible. Immigration fraud not the front of the government in immigrating here but the possibility that she defrauded the government in cognitive concocting a scheme so she could bring her brother over to the United States illegally some fairly decent evidence of that uncovered by David Steinberg over P._J.. Media and reported by the Minneapolis Star Tribune. I mean there are open questions about this Jim Acosta C._N._N.. And Ladies Find You a man who loves you like Jim Acosta once Jim Kosta Jim Acosta over at C._N._N.. Responded to people asking questions about this by saying well. She denied it well. She denied it. When was that a journalistic standard? She denied it. You guys are literally going around saying that. President trump didn't disavow a statement that he disavowed because he claimed to this statement but she she just denies it outright new case closed then I guess we're done here and when it comes to her own anti-semitism you've got people in the media who continue to defend Ilhan Omar and her fellow traveler to leave who is also an anti Semite and I on a Presley who expresses bigotry publicly and then suggest that all these people you know they are the best that America has to offer the when trump drives you this crazy that the squad become your squad trump's GonNa win that battle. He is making a big mistake. You want to alienate the suburban. Women great way of doing that is embracing the squad. Would you are the more Americans see of the squad the more popular they're going to be the only reason that there had single digits underwater is because only about fifty sixty percent of Americans even know who these people are except for no one knows well. Anamar is not related to leave his nose way on Presley as when they start hearing comments they ain't GonNa like it very much. They're not going to like it particularly a lot and L. Hannah Martin I mean this is the game that Ohana Maher is playing so Ilhan Omar. How radical is Hannah mark so yet not only did she sponsor this resolution? She then announced that she was going to travel to Israel. Only reason she did that is because what she hopes to do is provoke Israel into nine per entry Israel has laws on the books that deny entry to people or going to propagandize on behalf of the destruction of state of Israel beady SS Nancy's Meta policy directed at the destruction of the state of Israel by the way the United States has similar policies that if you wanna come in here and talk about the overthrow <unk> throw of U._S.. Government we're not going to allow you to come over here and visit Israel has that policy and the question is whether they allow ill Hanna Marin or not they probably do. They probably just take the hit of allowing her to run around with Palestinian members of Hamas and talk about evil Israel is and then they let her go back and all of this but this is the game Mil Hanna Mars Flank and no one is asking Pelosi about it forget. L. Hammer wasn't asking Pelosi about that. No one meanwhile the media are just going around talking about how wonderful these women are. They're just they're just wonderful. She got restricted to leave an anti Semite Ilhan Omar not only an anti Semite but a radical on nearly every front A._F._C. deeply radical democratic socialists to believes that we're running concentration camps on our border Diana Presley who expresses open bigotry and and Gayle King C._B._S.. Yes talk about home how much these folks love the country. They're just the best in America has to offer. I just met the squad the other day. I don't know them I had never talked to any of them before that interview and only spent thirty minutes not one of them has ever said. I Hate America Doc. Not One of them has ever said. 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Numbers is all this happened so if you watched the poll numbers realclearpolitics while all of this was happening. What you see is that Joe Biden is actually climbing again again kind of fascinating in the real clear politics average he had dropped down to about twenty six percent as of maybe a week and a half ago right as of July fifth two weeks ago he was down to twenty six percents and now in the realclearpolitics average? He's up to twenty eight percent and that is because the less people look at the Democrats the more they're like you know what we want. Just the moderate guy like the guy who seems kind of moderate health dak.. Let's do that guy now is twenty eight percents enough for Joe Biden to win the nomination. No I think the Joe Biden is not going be the nominee. I think the Joe Biden's best as I've been saying consistently throughout this campaign his best day was his first day that will remain true. Joe Biden has one hundred percent name recognition and he doesn't even have thirty percent support in the Democratic primaries the next debates are not going to be good for for him. I predict the reason being the breakdown of the debates so the Democrats have decided to do these debates in the dumbest possible way so what the Republicans did is they tried to in two thousand sixteen as they tried to have debates with the top contenders and then the result of the kids table and the kids table was for the people who like the Eric's walls of the world in the Republican Party who are going to get two percent in the polls and then they could all debate each other and maybe one of them would rise up like Carly Fiorina and then there would be included in the big person debate in that was a much better way of doing it. The Democrats however however in the name of anti meritocracy have decided because they're not they're not in favor of merit. They've decided instead they're just going to basically draw straws for who is in which debate and they're still one Jillian candidates. The only candidate shockingly only candidate ended with enough reason to seize going no swallow man this this party so here's how this all breaks down so there are two debates. There are two debates. The first night debate is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and people judge and Beta Iraq amy club charge Steve Bullock Representative Tim Ryan from Ohio John Hickenlooper John's Laney and Marianne Williamson's first of all. I will watch anything Marianne Williamson IT I don't. I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's a special on on healing oils. I don't care if it's about crystals. I don't Care Marianne. Williamson is the best and I will watch that debate just to watch Marianne Williamson talk about binding the president with chains of love which is real fifty shades J._J.. kind of stuff real weird. Marianne Williamson is great and I want more Marianne Williamson on stage but people are basically declaring that there is a white person debate and then there is a diverse people debate because every person on that stage is white so it's Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren now. That's really good for Warren because Warren can directly. It's Anderson continued to carve way at his base. It's bad for people to judge because he's going to be a side show people to judge his left out of that main battle Huda judges race in enormous amounts of cash but you WanNa talk. It's fascinating how the media coverage works here so Pete Buddha judge raised insane amounts of money he raised more money than pretty much anybody in the last quarter and he is polling in the realclearpolitics poll average at four point eight percent Beta Aurora is pulling a two point eight percent bid. Our work is considered a giant fail people judges considered a giant success so why why well because people to judge is Intersectional Universe because he's a gay man and that means he has to get outside media attention. He's raised enormous amounts of cash but that's not translating into anything that looks like success anywhere in Latest Hill. He has one percent one is so in any case Buddha. Judge is not really force in this race. I think that the Buddha judge boomlet is over. That's going to be about the first debate will be about Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and going at each other and naming going guys. I'm the only senator in America who wildly outpaces in popularity my party. Why in the world am I not getting anywhere here and her throwing binders at people and then it's a bunch of ranchos and Marianne Williamson? WHO's the best? Hey that's. That's debate date night number. One debate night number two is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris so it's the rematch it's rocky to the rematch so Ken Biden get up off the mat and go at Harris he's going to need to he's going to be a needle to be a lot more adept against Harris but Biden Biden is now facing down the two headed attack of Kamala Harris and Cory Booker Because Cory Booker is sitting there going. I started this thing right. I'm the one who attacked Biden first and then he put me in the other debate where I couldn't attack by so now I want to attack Biden publicly so cory booker is going to bring his angry is. I've said that he's like Mr Potato Head. He brings his angry is always has to bring his and then he pops in and now it's angry Corey Parker angry so we'll see if cory booker and Kamala Harris go after Joe Biden Biden is GonNa have to handle himself really swells zoo again very risky for Joe Biden. I don't think he will because I don't think that he's capable of doing that. He's looking very old out there on the campaign trail if you've seen video of him he it's not that that's not a rip on on his age as a number. That's a rip on how he is performing performing as a candidate. He is looking daughter in his not looking stable. He's not looking as though he has this thing under control. He's not looking energetic their other old Elizabeth Warren is seventy and she's looking energetic out there. Joe Biden simply is not he's got a few years was on more worn his way more energetic so biden versus Harrison Booker and then there's my duty and my boy Andrew Yang the the only candidate with the actual stones to come on the Sunday special. We've invited every single one of these Democrats. None of them will come on the Sunday special. Despite the fact that I treat everybody really well on the Sunday special go look at my my my interview with Andrew Yang and treated them great because the Sunday special is about exchange of ideas. It's not about attack. It's not about debate is about discussion. That'll be booker. Who in Castro who I guess we'll just be there person Gillibrand who bill de Blasio who will be very tolerant strangled groundhog's Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado the only rational person left in the Democratic Party Tulsi Gabbard of why and Washington Governor Jay Inslee who'll rant and rave about climate change while being completely useless so that is the that is the breakdown of the debates? My prediction continued momentum for Harris continued momentum for Warren Biden is GONNA have to turn a hell of a response in order for him to regain the momentum okay. Meanwhile Joe Biden is struggling for his argument. He continues to sort of try out the same arguments over and over but here's the thing Joe Biden because he is attempting to head off the Democrats passed radical Democrats pass because of all that Joe Biden is now engaging in exactly the kind of politicking that Lost Hillary Clinton two thousand sixteen election so here's Joe Biden yesterday being asked about President trump and Joe Biden didn't just go after trump. He proceeded to go after trump's base. He suggested that people who voted for president trump are racist. This is exactly the Hillary Clinton suggested that everyone who is thinking about voting for trump was deplorable was a member of the alright which was bull. I here's Joe Biden suggesting that trump's base is racist. How is this a smart electoral strategy? You got me. I don't think it is well. I only saw click with wasted. There didn't seem I assume you can imagine if someone said that. When I was speaking what I would have said no stop speak up man not not after the fact not after look? This is a game this is about dividing the country about divided and raising the issue of racism across the country. Just that's space so it's racism. That's his basis basis racist good good pitch their Joe Biden Berry Smart Pitch Right. They're pretty amazing stuff. The meanwhile Bernie Sanders is running into some problems of his own. This is a delicious story so Bernie Sanders has been pushing for fifteen dollars minimum wage federally mandated the House of Representatives just passed a bill that would mandate federal minimum wage of fifteen dollars according to the Congressional Budget Office this result in a minimum of one point three million jobs lost but sure we gotta talk about minimum wage so why not just pick a random point say that should be the minimum wage only one problem quote Washington Post Headline Labor fight royals Bernie Sanders campaign as workers demand the fifteen dollar hourly pay the candidate has proposed for employees nationwide woopsie turns out the Bernie Sanders has been paying folks fifteen bucks an hour campaign field hires have demanded in the annual salary they say would be equivalent to a fifteen dollar an hour wage which standards for years has said should be the federal minimum the organizers and other employees supporting them have invoked the senators words and principals in making in their case to the campaign manager fight US secure the documents reviewed by the Washington Post show so Bernie Sanders not living up to his Socialist Bona Fides that in his three houses and his unlimited supply of Putin suggests that he may not actually abide by his own dictates. There's a problem for Kamala Harris to actually as long as we are talking about problems for Democrats in the twenty twenty presidential race according to the Washington examiner commonly harasses presidential campaign by rests heavily on her career as a prosecutor including six years as California forty attorney general but it omits a plea deal her office negotiated for former San Diego Mayor Bob Filner a serial sexual harasser which led him escape jail time and avoid registering as a sex offender. I remember this case. I'm from California. We cover that Bob. Filner was trapping women. I'm in in booths at like the local denny's and then sexually harassing them in the booth in two thousand thirteen about twenty women accused filner a two decade democratic congressman turned San Diego Mayor of sexual harassment and misconduct some said he put them in. I kid you not filling their head locks Harris's office considerable criticism in twenty thirteen for allowing filner to plead guilty to state charges a false imprisonment and battery against three Jane Does in exchange for light sentence filner could have faced up to five years in prison but the plea guard parked arguing instead gave him three months of house arrest three years probation and partial loss of his mayoral pension not complete law so he's still getting paid. Some of the criticism persists today with past lenient sentences looking less understandable after a swath of prominent men drum themselves out of public life over sexual sexual harassment episodes right so here's the thing if Joe Biden wants to go after Kamala Harris. She is a target rich environment but he's actually going to have to go after her so she starts with the race stuff again. Joe Biden should say to her listen Komo. You and I both know you don't support federal bussing the differences that I'm honest about my position. Whereas you lie about your position you suggest that because I take the exact same position you do on federal bussing and did in the nineteen seventies that this is because I am a bit and yet you today do not support federal bussing and this is and schools are de facto more segregated than they were that not to jury does your means by law until he can go out for her on that he can say listen? You purport to be this fighter for the people you're lying to everybody. You're suggesting the Medicare for all is possible without got a middle class tax hike at least Bernie Sanders is honest. You're damn liar. He should say to her listen. You won't even make clear your own position on Medicare for all you have no less than six times changed your position on private health insurance and whether it ought to be eliminated you are a person who campaigns on this notion that you are a strong prosecutor. WHO's going to stand up to hey? Criminality particularly criminality directed at women well. How about that Bob Filner plea deal <hes> when he got on that Joe Biden is going to have to aggressively go after because sort of like in two thousand sixteen a lot of Republicans were resonating to the idea that president trump would be the best person to prosecute Hillary on stage because he had no limits and he'd say anything there is a feeling among Democrats they they need the best prosecutor of trump on that stage to biden has not shown himself to be that he's thrown out the same sorts of lines over and over and over quick side note on Joe Biden? Remember that clip we played a minute ago of Joe Biden saying he would have stood up and told the crowd now. If the crowded started saying bad things he literally told the crowd in two thousand twelve that Mitt Romney was going to put Pete Black people back in chains and they cheered so no Joe Biden I. I don't think that you're innocent in all of this the Democratic Party I it's amazing as I said over the past couple of days. We're not playing a game of hold my beer basically donald trump will say hold my beer are going to do something crazy and then the Democrats will say no. No you hold the beer on. I'm GonNa do something crazy then trump like no no no. I'm GonNa do something crazy. Hold the beer and Democrats will be like well. What if we just embrace the squad hold the beer? Does anyone one win twenty twenty election. I really like does anyone. Apparently nobody wants to win. Apparently everybody just wants to yell at each other and club each other with mallets. Does this is like who framed Roger Rabbit eventually young left standing is going to be judged dube like this is just us. It's utterly insanity. It's total craziness all the way through okay time for some things I like and then instead of things I hate them in a little bit of mailbag so things I like today <hes> as you know again I get my relaxation from reading sports books. There's a very good little sportsbook about hard-luck Harvey Haddix so the greatest baseball game ever pitched was a game in Nineteen fifty-nine pitch by Harvey Haddix. He pitched a perfect game that means that he he got everyone out he every single battery face got out for nine innings and then he did for another three innings he pitched twelve innings of perfect baseball and then he lost the game the thirteenth so he pitched a perfect game for twelve innings and then he lost the game in the thirteenth inning. It's the greatest game ever pitched and the book is all about that game and it's it's pretty a pretty wild stuff so you check out the book again. hard-luck Harvey Haddix in the greatest game ever lost by Lou Friedman. If you're a baseball fan this is for you okay time for a thing I hate and by that I mean mail bag. I don't hate mailbags. Let's just do the mail bag. Many says I'm twenty four years old. I recently developed an intimate relationship with someone much senior shoes thirty-six almost thirty seven. She's pregnant. I feel heartbroken and like my life is over. I'm not ready for a child and did not see us together long-term. She does not want an abortion. I come from a religious just family. I've recently gotten into politics. My abortion shifted fairly pro-life when it is myself in the situation that feels so different and he says I understand if you don't read this on your show. I appreciate everything you do and you meet a lot. Thank you for being well mendy meantime for some bad news okay. The bad news is that obviously actions have consequences. Here's the good news the good news. Is You get to be a dad. Being a dad is the best thing in the entire world. I have two kids. They are unbelievable. They're gonNA make your life so much richer. They're gonNA make your life so much much better and guess what you being a responsible human being's GonNa make you a better person and you have a responsibility with this woman to make a life for your child. It's not about you and this woman anymore. It's about you and this woman and your child. It's about you becoming a better person for having to work around somebody who you may have to learn to live with. It's about you making sure that the next generation is well taken care of be a dad to your own kid preserve. The life of your kid was not every mistake has to end up being an a a life changing horrifying sometimes the best things in life started as mistakes fascinating statistic you back to nineteen thirty nineteen forties a heavy percentage. I think if not a plurality heavy minority of all births in the United States were so called shotgun wedding births their allied premgi's back in the nineteen thirties and forties a lot of people who are getting pregnant and then two months later get married and then seven months later the baby is born is oh well look at the baby just came a little bit early. That was very very common in American life. An American life wasn't worse for that when people married people based on the fact that they wanted to raise the child now your priorities have to shift the reason you got yourself in the situation is because you weren't thinking about the future you weren't thinking about anybody beyond yourself to be perfectly frank and now you have to think about something beyond yourself that will be very good for you and it'll be great for your kid and that's what really matters in the end Shay says haven or dot thoughts equally as bad as stark actions do dark thoughts even counts as sins the same way actions. do thanks chase no. I don't think they do. I think that this at least in the Jewish view the answer is no and certainly in the public policy view. The answer is no so there's certain dark thoughts that you cannot prevent like if I tell you not to think of an elephant right now you know you're doing thinking of an elephant so your brain sometime just goes to dark places but it depends on how much it affects action. I care about action. I I can't police what you're thinking. I don't know what you're thinking. You say it and I don't know what you're thinking unless you do it so no I don't think dark thoughts are the same as dark actions at all as far as sinfulness that one's up to God and you're going to have to deal with God on that level because he's the only one who can tell what's inside your head. Paul says haven how do you explain your kids and it's a tricky explanation. I'm sure kids ask a million questions. Although excellent got some kids there's a creator of the universe you look at the world around you. It seems to have a particular order. The reason that it seems to have rules and laws is because there is a rule maker in a law giver and they're an because that is true. There are certain actions you can take in your life that predictably will make your life better as a general rule and God wants you to do that because God cares about you and God love because God created you and what could be a greater act of love and creation Zach says hi Ben. I'm a graduate student who will be graduating in December with my masters in biology. I'm going to forensic science. I'm doing an internship with forensic lab at this coming. Fall semester will be the best way to make the most of this opportunity and potentially turn it into a job after an use it to the market and I saw post Grad thanks well if you're going into a an internship and you're earning a forensic lab and he get on some papers obviously see if you can you can make connections. I mean that's really how you should be seeking every job at this point. What kind of connections can you make? What kind of resume building can you do? What kind of research can you do? What kind of skills can you brought imitation approach every job Charles says Hello Ben? If you could have a Sunday special with one of the founding fathers who would it be and what questions would you ask love the show. It'd be atoms 'cause I think Adams was the most kind of interesting thinker on the one hand. Adams was a per- any deep political and personal convictions. He was somebody who was who was a deep believer in the rights to due process and free speech at the same time. When it came to practice governance he helped pass the Aliens Edition Extras President at the time he had significant arguments mints with Thomas Jefferson over the nature enrolled the federal government? I think that he's a really interesting figure. I think I understand Jefferson pretty well but Adams is a little bit more enigmatic and quite brilliant and wonderful writer. Okay final question. Let us see Carson said actually do this. Assurance is right now considering going to law school after college. Do you think it's worth investing time and money if I'm not entirely sure I wanna practice as an attorney. Thanks for all you do. We have to assess what skillset you're actually going to receive from law school. I went to law school. I wasn't sure I was going to practice at this law. I don't but it taught me to think in a certain way also credentialing does matter so what matters where you go to law school so if it's just I'm going to get a law degree and that's about it and it does the crenshaw doesn't matter to me and the skillset doesn't matter to me and I may not practice the no but if the credential matters and the skillset matters and sure that's something that's valuable beyond simply the practice of what already will we will be back here next Monday. I'm off for the radio show later today by will- back here next Monday with all three hours have yourself a wonderful weekend. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show the Ben Shapiro show is produced by Robert Stirling directed by Mike Joyner Executive Producer Jeremy Boring senior producer Jonathan. Hey our supervising producer mathis glover and our technical producer is Austin Stevens edited by Adam Sigh of its audio is mixed by Mike Coral Meena hair and makeup is by just over IRA production assistant Nik Sheehan the Ben Shapiro show is a daily wire production copyright daily wire two thousand nineteen. Hey guys over on the Matt Walsh Show Today Democrats just passed a bill that would raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour now. I'M GONNA explain why not only do. I disagree with a fifteen dollars minimum wage. I actually think the minimum wage should be zero also.

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