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John Lasseter returns from exile
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John Lasseter, Paramount Ranch, A Star is Born, Roma, Star Wars, Toy Story 4, Detective Pikachu.
On the November 13, 2018 episode of /Film Daily, /Film editor-in-chief Peter Sciretta is joined by /Film weekend editor Brad Oman and senior writer Ben Pearson to talk about the latest film and tv news, including John Lasseter, Paramount Ranch, A Star is Born, Interrogation, Roma, The Mandalorian, Toy Story 4 and Detective Pikachu. You can subscribe to /Film Daily on iTunes, Google Play, Overcast, Spotify and all the popular podcast apps (here is the RSS URL if you need it). In The News: Brad: John Lasseter Looking for a New Hollywood Job, Has Expressed Interest in Podcasting Ben: Paramount Ranch, Filming Location For Hundreds of Movies & TV Shows, Burns in California Wildfire Brad: ‘A Star Is Born’ Extended Cut Might Be in the Works Ben: ‘Interrogation’: CBS All Access True Crime Show Lets You Solve the Case On Your Own Brad: ‘Roma’ Won’t Play in Alamo Drafthouse Theaters Due to Strict Netflix Specifications Brad: ‘The Mandalorian’ May Have Recruited ‘Rocky’ Star Carl Weathers for a RoleAlso: Pedro Pascal Confirmed As Lead in ‘The Mandalorian’ Series Trailer Reactions:HT: ‘Toy Story 4’ Teaser Trailer: One of These Toys Is Not Like the Others HT: ‘Toy Story 4’ Teaser Trailer “Reaction” Introduces Ducky and Bunny, Played by Key and Peele Brad: ‘Detective Pikachu’ Trailer: Ryan Reynolds is a Lonely, Mystery-Solving Pokemon Other articles mentioned: Every Pokemon in the ‘Detective Pikachu’ Trailer All the other stuff you need to know: You can find more about all the stories we mentioned on today’s show at slashfilm.com, and linked inside the show notes. /Film Daily is published every weekday, bringing you the most exciting news from the world of movies and television as well as deeper dives into the great features from slashfilm.com. You can subscribe to /Film Daily on iTunes, Google Play, Overcast, Spotify and all the popular podcast apps (RSS). Send your feedback, questions, comments and concerns to us at email@example.com. Please leave your name and general geographic location in case we mention the e-mail on the air. Please rate and review the podcast on iTunes, tell your friends and spread the word! Thanks to Sam Hume for our logo.
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'Ralph Breaks the Internet' - Phil Johnston and Rich Moore
On this weeks episode, Carolyn meets with Phil Johnston and Rich Moore, the Directors of the Disney sequel, 'Ralph Breaks the Internet'. Together they talk about all the fun and memorable moments during the making of the film including the departure of John Lasseter and the ever anticipated Disney Princess scene.
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'The Good Place': Finding laughs in ethics and philosophy
From the Mon broadcast center at KP. See this is the frame, I'm John horn on today's show. John Lasseter who was forced out of Pixar animation studios for inappropriate behavior is offered a new Hollywood job to industry debates what it means for the me too movement, and we visit with a good place, greater, Mike, sure and writer producer gen stats sqi to discuss the ethical questions at the heart of their TV comedy. I wanted to show about practically speaking, how do you learn how to become a better person? The response I've gotten like thank you for making a show about being good in a time. Where it feels like a lot of things are bad all that coming up on the frame. Can't you see podcasts are supported? By Warner Brothers pictures, presenting the emotionally authentic. A star is born directed by Bradley Cooper. Starring Cooper, lady Gaga and Sam Elliott for consideration. And all categories in FOX searchlight, presenting the favourite winner of the Golden Globe for best actress Olivia Colman and nominated for a leading twelve BAFTA awards a eligible in all categories, welcome to the frame. I'm John horn just a few days into the new year the ongoing reckoning in Hollywood around sexual harassment and gender equity is being tested yet. Again, yesterday, the film company sky dance announced that John Lasseter had been hired to run its new animation division sky dance a production company run by David Ellison. The son of oracle billionaire, Larry Ellison organizations, including time's up and women in film. Swiftly to nouns the higher. Hiring. John Lasseter has been regarded as a creative genius in animating. He co founded Pixar was instrumental to its success and its multi-billion dollar sale to Disney. He then also helped overhaul Disney animation essentially reinventing that students approach to the art form that it had created. But in late twenty seventeen Lassiter's behavior in the workplace, which reportedly included giving women unwanted, hugs and comments about their physical appearance. Ultimately forced him out of the company his job. At sky dance has triggered a range of responses Rebecca, Keegan is covering the story for the Hollywood reporter to a lot of people in the nation yesterday, both male and female and heard and mixture things, but particularly from women and particularly young women the enemy that they consider this a sign of that company's values, and they don't want to work there. I also heard from some people that John Lasseter is such a legend, and such a creative genius. That they would be willing to either look the other way or assume that they wouldn't be managed by him directly. If an opportunity at sky dance came up, they would go important to note, even though they're very different cases that Harvey Weinstein was not successful. When all of these allegations came out against him, and John lesser was not only Pixar, but also while Disney animation hit a huge role in the theme parks, and I'm wondering, and we're gonna have to speculate a little bit here if that played into David Ellison's interest in hiring, John Lasseter, where I think it's important to keep the Verity of the allegation in mind when we're talking about these cases Harvey Weinstein is currently on trial for sexual assault. John Lasseter was not accused of that in anything really close to that these were much milder allegations that surfaced regarding Lassiter, and they were not on the record. So it's not only that these two men had very different careers. But that these things they are doing very different having said that John Lasseter, he's really titan in the entertainment industry in very different way from Harvey Weinstein. He has generated billions of dollars at the box office played a key role at Disney, theme parks and really completely reinvented the animation industry. So certainly there was reason to continue to take him seriously as a creative person and businessman if for some reason, these allegations were either dealt with or apologize for or disproven on top of what number of people are saying about the hiring three of Hollywood's leading organizations promoting workplace equality and fighting sexual harassment all came out against Ellison's. Hiring of Lassiter time's up said. In a statement, quote, skydives media's decision to hire John Lasseter as head of intimation endorses and perpetuates a broken system that. Allows powerful men to act without consequence, unquote. What are people telling you about the system's ability to change? Well, one didn't I heard from some of the female animators that I spoke with is that they didn't feel like there was any evidence that Lasseter had done any self examination. There is a memo which David Ellison, the CEO guidance sent to the staff which said, effectively, you know, we're aware of the incident alleged incidents in Lassiter's passed we've investigated them, and we are comfortable with hiring him for the women. I spoke to that with not a sufficient kind of reckoning with the issue. They wanted to hear what specifically did you find in your investigation, what specifically has Lassiter done in this time that he has been away from Disney and Pixar that would suggest that there's been some Aleutian. So what sort of self reflection are people saying might be sufficient or what could. John Lasseter do or have done that might have changed a little bit the way that he he is perceived. Where the that Lassiter has not spoken publicly since he left Disney. So we don't honestly know what Lassiter has been doing. So, you know, if he had made some sort of partnership with time's up if he had involved himself in some sort of organization where he would have potentially been grappling with some of the issues of culture at Pixar in particular that people complained about there was there was a lot of conversation at the time that lasts are left picks about a kind of voice club culture at Pixar that he helped to create if there'd been any sense that he had examined that understood that either via working with a group like time's up or through some other means I think that would be eye opening for some people. Story has prompted a couple of I think bigger larger questions about Hollywood in about business culture. Generally and one is that in Hollywood quest to get the most box office money. It will set aside considerations or worries it has about somebody's character. And just hire somebody who has a successful track record. And then there's the flipside of that. And there are a lot of these comments on websites that have posted stories about Lassiter, which is at what point do you keep being penalized? Is there no such thing? As a second chance. How do you think this story is kind of crystallizing those two ideas at the same time interesting to cover where if you had a sliding scale based on this avaerage of persons allegations and their impact on the entertainment industry last or is probably the person who had been most impact on the industry with the least severe allegations who he is someone who you might expect to be among the first to return and potentially do. So with some success having. Said that it's also note where the weird he is returning guidance is is owned by David Ellison Lassiter is not returning to a big public company. He's not returning to one of the traditional studios or to accompany like say Netflix or apple, and I I do know that he has taken meetings at important big companies around town. So you can I think draw some conclusions about where he's ending up that those meetings were not from full, and it's also worth noting that Lassiter has never been charged with a crime. But even if you forgive someone it doesn't mean you have to give them a job. Right. It's true. And clearly he has a lot of wealth. He has an enormous winery and Napa he has other things he can do with his life. Besides come back and run a company in the very industry where his allegations for surfaced. Rebecca, Keegan is a senior editor for film at the Hollywood reporter, Rebecca thanks so much coming back on the show. Thanks, john. Coming up the good place. The rare network sitcom that can make you laugh and reexamine your own behavior. KPCC podcasts are supported by Warner Brothers pictures, presenting the emotionally authentic. A star is born directed by Bradley Cooper. Starring Cooper, lady Gaga, and Sam Elliott, af I calls the film a stellar achievement in its own universe and Owen Gleiberman variety calls it an emotional knockout nominated for four sag awards, including outstanding performance by a cast best actor best actress and best supporting actor for consideration in all categories, including best picture and best director in FOX searchlight pictures, presenting the favourite winner of the Golden Globe for best actress alluvia Coleman and nominated for three Screen Actors Guild awards fourteen critics choice awards and twelve BAFTA awards, including best picture best director, your goes Lantos. Best original screenplay best cinematography, and one of af is ten best pictures of the year awards eligible in all categories. He's now playing. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn. Thanks for joining us, the good place returns tonight and with it. So does America's weekly lesson in how to be good? The NBC comedy anchored by co-stars, Kristen bell and Ted Danson began in two thousand sixteen as a show about the afterlife. But in many ways, it has become about how people treat each other while they're still alive. There's even a character named Chidi played by William Jackson Harper who is a moral philosophy professor and who gives ethics lessons to the others. And whether you realize it or not as you watch you're learning something to last fall visited with the creator and show runner of the good place. Mike sure he was joined by gen stats gate, who's a writer and producer on the show. Sure, also, created parks and recreation and stats keep worked with him on that show as well before we began talking about how they we've ethics into comedy short told us about an upcoming trip. He was about to take I was invited because of the philoso-. Officle discussions take place on the good place. I was invited to attend the annual conference of the national association of Sar tra- scholars it is this is not a joke. The highest honor I've ever seen in my life. I could not be more excited. It's it's in Fredericksburg Virginia. And I and Mary Washington University. I'm flying there in two weeks with Todd may who's a professor Clinton whose adviser for the show who is actually a search or scholar. So he is I was invited. I said it's very flattering. You should ideally invite one person who knows what he's talking about to this. And so I've recommended Todd which it worked out perfectly because he works on the show, and he knows the subject matter. So the two of us are going to attend this annual convention, and it's gonna be amazing. I think it's fair to say that philosophy is more than a Trojan horse in this series that in many ways if you know about philosophy and care about philosophy and care about moral arguments. That you can really engage with this show. Unlike probably any other prime time show has that been something that you always intended has it been more. That response been greater than you initially expected. I don't know what I expected, frankly, it was just always the way this show was was that it was baked into the premise. It wasn't like a thing that we were going to kind of dabble in or that was like like on the surface. It was the idea here is always these this show is about people trying to be better in whatever way that meant to them to be better people and the way this sort of lens we were looking through his ethics. You know, I did a lot of research about the afterlife. When I was first developing the show conceptions of the afterlife in different religions, and they were all very interesting. But that doesn't help you be a better person right at some level, the concept of heaven or or a sort of celestial reward was just it's just like. If you're a good person, you get this awesome thing. And it didn't it wasn't prescriptive. It wasn't like if you because he was like your life is over. And now you get to hang out in heaven, more or less in every religion. That's what it promises you. So I wanted to do a show about what how do you? What's practically speaking? How do you learn how to become a better person and the the proper kind of set of books to read her books about ethics because that's like, hey, if you're in the situation, here's what you should think about here's how you should act. So it became that. Was that was the show? That's how the show sort of developed, Jen. I wanna ask you as a writer. Let's say hypothetically, but maybe actually in truth. There's going to be an episode. That's going to talk about utilitarianism the idea. The best thing to do is what benefits the greatest number of people, and you are saying yourself or the other writers, but we have to make something that's entertaining. That's fun. How do you negotiate territory share? Yeah. I think anytime you're crafting and episode of TV. There's so many different parts of it. We talk a lot about like what's the comedy engine of this episode? Like, what is the funny situation? This person is put in and then you're talking on a rotter level about theme. And so for example, in the trolley problem emphasis, would this is thought experiment. First introduced by British philosopher, Philip afoot in nineteen sixty seven that is something where you're able to tackle head on this utilitarian idea. You are driving adroitly when the brakes fail and on the track. Head of you are five workmen that you will run over. Now you can steer to another track. But on that track is one person you would kill instead of the five. What do situational ethics? Yes is one of them an ex boyfriend or that's snooty girl from right aide. Who was always. Judging my purchases like yet Chickey a baby Ruth in birth control. I see the irony. Keep a swipe at don't know any of the workers. Okay. Well, then that's easy. I switch tracks kill one person instead of five, but we've always tried to do is like be creative about what are the ways that we can put these themes in these ideas in these broderie does into the episode but presented in a funny way for the audience. Jen, could you tell me a little bit about what it means to be kind of schooled in philosophy to actually have the instructions or books or articles that writers on this show are expected to look at and consider how that changes your approach to writing on this series. As a person who mostly is interested grew up watching pro wrestling and now watches keeping up with the Kardashians. A lot it's incredibly over. Well. But it's been super exciting. Honestly like getting to work on a TV show is a huge privilege in its own. Right. And then we've had one of the coolest parts of this show. Is that like Mike Mench? Like, we have philosophers come in. And give us lectures on these topics on the trolley problem on utilitarianism. And it's amazing that I've worked in a bunch of writers rooms now, I've never had an experience like not only do I get to write a great show. I love it's like being in college again, and I didn't pay attention in college. So it's amazing to get to do it over. So it's been great. We're talking with Mike. Sure gen stats key about their show. The good place where visiting with them on the lot of NBC universal, Mike. I want to ask you about Pamela Harani who is a philosophy professor at UCLA. How did you reach out to her? How did she come to work on the show? What was that first contact? So I felt very strongly. That I was in over my head after doing a bunch of my own reading while developing the show, and I thought, well, they would be really helpful. If there were professor or two who could on whom I could rely for information and for clarity. And so I just poked around on the UCLA website. And I found this woman, Pamela Irani, and she had written a number of papers that I thought sounded like they might be relevant to what we are discussing. And I just wrote her an Email out of the blue and said, hi, TV producer and local. Would you ever could you ever possibly meet with me and just I can ask you a bunch of questions. She said, sure. And so we made a day to meet for coffee on the west side, and Santa Monica at a certain time, and I at a Starbucks, and I went to the Starbucks and she didn't show up. And I was like, oh, no did I get this wrong. And I and I looked at kept checking like now, this is right. And finally entered Email was like, I'm sorry. Did I get the date wrong? I'm so sorry. And then like after like, I don't know an hour and a half. She texted me a wrote me back and was like, oh my God. I'm totally forgot about our meeting. I'm sorry. I'll be right there. And and she came and she was incredibly abolish attic she had been like working or writing or doing something that a philosophy professor does. And we ended up talking for a long time. I asked her a million questions. She gave me a million answers. It was incredibly helpful. She then later she's been a sort of like check in person. Like like professor may has as well where when we don't understand something we will Email her she came in and gave us she teaches an intro class at UCLA and her first classes about the Charlie problem. And so when we were going to write an episode about it, she came in essentially gave us her day one inter philosophy trolley problem class, and she let us through the entire thing. And even though we kind of knew what was coming. It was still super fun, and it became that episode, and we're forever grateful to her one of the premises of the show is that if you wanna do something good, you sometimes need help doing it that their strength in numbers, and that community can be really important. In changing how you behave was that something that you settled on as an idea early? Was it something you took away from your own readings about philosophy because it does seem to be a central tenant of the show? It's something I personally believed. So I think I was looking for the philosophical ideas that supported my belief, which is a pretty that's a pretty classic move in the history of thought, right? But in this case, Pamela, Hieronymi's thesis advisors, a famous philosopher named Tim Scanlon who taught at Harvard where she was a graduate student, and he had this book called what we owe to each other. And it takes the position that the sort of way to form that is society is by sitting down everyone around you assuming that you are all appropriately motivated and reasonable people and figuring out what rules, you can agree to that would not be objected to by the other people around you. It's a pretty simple idea. But it really kinda struck a chord with me because in Pam. Melas words, she calls it that can't we all just get along philosophy. And it's like we all need to survive. And the only way we can survive if we can come up with rules that other people who are reasonably motivated and decent people won't object to that sort of crystallized from me what I had been feeling about this in really sort of then seeped into the show where like there's four human beings who were all unwittingly sort of linked together by evil demon who's trying to torture them. And I thought boy would be cool. If we could say, well, that's how they came to know each other and the way that they're going to survive is by flipping that on its ear and saying the only way we get through this is with each other's help that seems like a pretty good sort of our for four people on TV show. And that's what the show has become. After a short break, the frame will be back. And so we'll Mike sure and gen stats from the good place. So stick around. Southern California the home of Hollywood dodgers his knee land. Sometimes it feels like paradise. But any second now that could change is a big earthquake is coming. This will happen. There's no likelihood of it not happening. We are not stopping when the earthquake hits our world will be shaken what can you do to prepare? I'm Jake Margolis host of KPCC's new podcast the big one your survival guide. Listen an apple podcasts. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn today. We're revisiting our conversation with Mike sure and gen stats game. We're talking on the universal lot where they produce the NBC comedy the good place the show returns tonight to continue its third season the series began with four characters who find themselves in a bizarre afterlife that I seemed like heaven, but was actually a kind of hell by now. It's a show about people grappling with. Most of us are all grappling with on some level. And that is how to be a better person. Here's gen stats gay. I think that the response I've gotten from people who are fans of the show has overwhelmingly in a very flattering way. I think might get this to like thank you for making a show about being good in a time. Where it feels like a lot of things are bad and people are not treating each other. Well, like it's easy to write off and say, hey, it's just a TV show. Who cares? But the truth of the matter is is what incredible privilege to be able to make things that get blast into people's homes. And these ideas that you put out into the world are things that they hear an internalized and think about and so the fact that the show has resulted in people saying like, it's actually made me think about how I treat people in being a good person in ethics like that to me is is the most rewarding thing that can come out of it and Mike what about you in terms of the workplace? Because there have been a lot of stories over the last couple of years, but you've written these stories for decades about the way that people are treated in Hollywood minute could be people of color could be women could be people with disabilities. It could be pay equity there any number of issues that this town has not been really good about. So when you're thinking about how you're going to apply ethical behavior to the running of your own show. The way you're going to talk to other people the kinds of people you want to work with the kinds of people you're gonna fire because you don't like the way they behave. Do you feel that are different producer having thought about these issues in making this series? I think I'm a different person. And I suppose being a different producer would be part of that. I've become more interested about more aspects of human life and ethics because of the show, I think that would be accurate to say, I would also say that. That you know, you said that Hollywood has not treated certain people. So well, let's be clear Hollywood is treated almost everyone terribly Hollywood is shameful miserable past and frankly present about all people of color all women, especially it's only in the last couple of years at most of the misery that Hollywood as a machine has created has even begin to come to light. And it's disgusting. It's horrible. It makes me feel ashamed to be a part of the industry. I'm thrilled that it's changing which it is. It's finally being exposed. And it's finally sort of like coming out of how deep systemic problems. Really are. There's a thing that happens in Hollywood because creativity is elusive, and it's gossamer, and it sort of it floats in the air, and no one can quite define it or recreate it sometimes, you know, it's what does it mean to be a movie star? Why is this person a movie star wise that person not a movie star? How is this? You know writer. Capable of writing this amazing thing, and then one year later this terrible thing, it's it all feels very slippery. And as a result when people sort of show for whatever reason that they have the ability to be consistently good at what they do in the past. They've been allowed to get away with anything. And that is how monsters are made. It's it's went there. The system of basic human checks and balances breaks down people get away with anything they want if they're making enough people enough money, and if they are re if they're sort of like just driving forward in this kind of crazy big power machine. And as a result, one of the one of the bad side effects of that is people have begun to say for years and decades have said, well, this part of the creative process. Right. This treating people terribly just like, that's you just have to accept that. As part of the creative process. That's insane. No, you don't. It's no one should ever treat people terribly for. Any reason? And certainly it's doesn't there certainly no moral calculation where you'd say like, it's okay to treat people terribly in whatever way that means if you create something good. I mean, that's absurd. What kind of world are we living in if it's okay to be deeply cruel to some people in order to get something like a good like screenplay or something? That's an insane calculation that people made and have stuck to for decades and decades, it's finally changing your you finally begun to see companies and individuals and people in Hollywood say we are not going to tolerate terrible behavior in exchange for either successful product or just creatively. Interesting product. And thank goodness, Mike. Let me ask you this. Last question. I think what's interesting. And this is totally anecdotal is that the show was watched by families. How unusual is that for you to have a show where families watch a show that's hitting people at very different levels based on their age their education where they are line. That anecdote of I watched with my family has been said to me about parks and recreation. It's been said about Brooklyn nine nine it was said about the office, which I did not create or adapt that was great Daniels. But I wrote on that show. And I think the if there's a sort of unifying idea behind all those shows it's that first of all they're on NBC. And so there's less, you know, cursing and nudity and stuff and parents feel like it's a little bit safer. Even if some of the humor is a little bit more adult, but it's not so adult that you have to worry. But I think that those shows are on samba shows they have a large number of characters who represent a large number of viewpoints on the world. And there is some kind of unifying theme there that I learned from Greg, which is that your life is your relationships with other people at some fundamental level. That is what makes your days pass. It is your sort of bonds with other people that matters in the world. And so I would guess in this. I'm not a psychologist. But I would guess that. If there's a reason that families gathered to watch those shows that has something to do with Mike and Jen thanks so much for has come. Visit. Thanks for having us, adding us. Mike sure is the creator of the comedy the good place gen stats key is a writer and producer on the show. It airs Thursday nights on NBC. And that is it for today. I'm John horn. Thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.