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Season 4 - Episode 12
"<music> welcome to season for episode twelve the first time round kamara was now introduced which would have profoundly influenced the witnesses decision alone with his height and distinctive. We've clothing of a prison issue. Blue stripe shut andbranch rouses. The identification paraded not followed proper procedure june part of the difficulty difficulty in assembling a procession consisting of men who had the same skin color and it breached identification rules should have been set parades made made up of different people appoint tonight again is that raymond gilbert was not picked out boy any witnesses and also had no forensic links to the crime crime other than his own admission of guilt. The appeal also acknowledge solicitor rex makin who represented both guild baton kamara was relatively the inexperienced in criminal work at the time the crown had not informed the defense that mrs edmonds who identify john kamara had given evidence in another case ice in which her brother was ultimately convicted we that information the defense could have used that to question her honesty while the appeal judges did not agree that they suggested the witness was lying and should not affect the safety of cameras conviction. They understood that mrs edmunds had visited you too brother in prison. After his conviction with him wearing prison issue cliven the same style of shirt and trousers kamara was wearing you know the statements not provided to the defense these included a number of details which vastly contradicted the crown series of events one witness stated they saw van approaching the betting shop and four men jumped out bus they weigh in along with a witness confirming the john suffield had had been threatened the day before his murder but this was not adequately explored by police the further testimony provided by fellow prisoners who said to hurt kamara admit to the crime were later withdrawn counsel for the appellant michael bom bom described the case as is disturbing and said this is a case of a kind which in one respect at least one would hope is a thing of the past this is to say case case in which the turns out to have been a massive nondisclosure at the trial the defense presented its case silence install over the court and when the three judges began to discuss a matter in whispered times neither counsel for the crown defense could hear what they were saying. The judges then retired unsure of what would come next. Everyone in the court had to wait five minutes before they returned the public galleries full to the brim supporters on look as journalists waiting for an answer and thursday march thirtieth two thousand thousand john peter camara received the news he had been waiting nearly two decades to hear this conviction was deemed unsafe and he was to be released laced with immediate effect. The case was labeled as difficult worrying and complex by lord justice sautin on the reason for the judge's decision would would be made available in the fullness of time journalists. Were quick tonight. They seem to be very little in the way of an apology to john kamar with any legal counsel sel being thanked for their time a few hours later kamara walked after the door free man the following his release. Kamara provided a statement into reporters undelighted. This dreadful miscarriage of justice has been righted after such a long time. It is not quite sunk in yet now wants to go way somewhere quietly to start rebuilding my life regarding the revelation that someone else had confessed to the murder phillip lipped jones brother said the momento. I'm full of joy in thinking it's johnny's day the angle will hit me. Lighter justice has to come right it but why did it take twenty years when he could have been out twelve years ago. The police investigated the case never found anything. A total of two hundred hundred one statements were hidden by police assistant chief constable of merseyside police. At the time michael baxter told the press we will study the reasons behind this judgment very closely as he left in a taxi. Kamara was being filmed for documentary. You would like to recall the remembered. The short journey to his lodgings felt like the con was traveling too fast. Everything seemed to be playing double a spate. They found it hard to take in the colors of the outside world having spent the majority of his time in a jail cell staring only at four walls <music> unbeknownst nice to john kamara john suffield father contacted the probation service on the home office seeking to understand how kamara would be treated if his conviction was zyppah turned. You would soon find out a month and a half after john. Kamara was released the three appeal judges who granted him his freedom provided their reasons for the conviction being overturned in a bruising rebuttal the judges harshly criticized the direct the republic prosecutions on the file disclosure of over two hundred witness statements to the defense and how the admission from gilbert was handled at the trial part of the appeal judges summary read the defensive kamara was disadvantage by an accumulation of factors the change of plea the retention of the statement by the jury leading counsels reference to earn reliance upon part of it the denial of the opportunity to cross examine gilbert and on the absence of the benefits of appropriate directions accordingly we take the view that there is a real risk that the jury might have given undue credence to the statement payment this might have contributed significantly to the verdict while the remarks by the judge's work considerable. Joan kamara founded found. They did not go far enough. He was confident that it was a cover up is the director of public prosecutions were blamed in the appeal but kamara sure it was due to failures by the merseyside police and how they dealt with the investigation <music> after john. Kamara was released from prison. He was provided with half a dozen classics to carry his belongings. You stunned to fifty pounds and travel called which expired later that evening there was no support system in place and he was not offered any further financial aid is the probation service deal with individuals who have been found guilty and finish their sentence. Kamara took a taxi to the home of patty hill in north london. He was one of the birmingham six convicted in nineteen seventy five of planting explosives into birmingham pubs in which the twenty people were killed. The convictions was subsequently overturned turned sixteen years later since realizing the lack of support system for those wrongfully convicted in often opened his doors to those facing facing life on the outside he would say most individuals who are victims of a miscarriage of justice turn to drink or drugs and not fully equipped to deal with the changing changing their circumstances. The lack of pipe work available makes it hard to obtain interim lines while they look for work along with the challenges of seeing a health care yeah professional assam suffer with severe psychological problems in an interview with the guardian newspaper during march two thousand and one he'll all said one day you're all sitting in a prison cell and the next day you are in the court of appeal. You're thrown out like a sack of garbage and forgotten about is mind mind boggling coming out on the subject of his release. Camara set one minute. I was sitting with a life sentence and the next minnesota any so free to go go where i was given a trouble. Warranty liverpool expired at eight p._m. I had no money for six to seven weeks. I had no legal documentation. No identity you already known person. The dss granted me an emergency line of five pounds which i had to pay back within twenty days told them to keep it housing manager said because it was a miscarriage of justice. Why didn't i get a loan. Oh boy myself a property because he said you're going to get a massive compensation us how bad it is. Sometimes i thought fucking hell. It looks like you've gotta get arrested arrested to get probation. They seem to push. They want you to commit a crime. After jones release ac- seve reporters descended on the property where he was staying wanting to hear how it felt to be a free man jones spoke of the feeling that someone was going to pull the rug out from under him and throw him back in his cell shortly after cameras release john suffield swath to meet with him to spokane john senior was entirely of the belief that kamara was not involved in his son's murder stressing that he he had nothing to fear they discuss what arrangements the probation service made and john suffield would later describe the assistance offered to kamara laura the man he had once thought it killed his son as totally inadequate while john kamara had found exoneration in the always the law is status with the state was somewhat more complicated given counseling was given no accommodation he could obtain no benefit benefit and being out of work for nearly twenty years might finding a job incredibly difficult couldn't sleep spending evenings at alexandra endre palace unsure of where he belonged almost wishing he was back in prison unless there he had a bed unbelievably believably if he had committed the crime admitted to attend was being released following his sentence they would be services to help him re acclimatize but as he's conviction had been overturned in the states is at least he didn't exist campaigner the time that worked for moshe miscarriages of justice organisation said. How can you compensate someone when you take their lives away. Eventually kamara did receive compensation for the time he had been in prison nine hundred thousand pounds in old will though he took five years john kamara would turn his life around rant. You met his partner bettina found a new home in london done to drive and fathered two children. You give give me the life sentence. I knew from day. I would after fight marquess. When i went in prison time. Stop you know i can send time stopped outside can't get it out my mind account like i'll put a you know a calm then. I didn't like when i bic at my final compensation. They took seventy five thousand pounds football lodging <music> <music> john suffield senior and his family were interviewed in april two thousand and one by the bbc jones said in many ways we are as much victims of a miscarriage of justice is john camera after speaking with the merseyside the police about the investigation where things are headed. He was told that the force was not looking at any other individuals in connection with the crime mazi side police is chose not to reopen the file voicing his frustrations jones senior would go on to say a third man it was named on the trial the narrow program told the police he actually carried out the mud and not kamara he was offered limited immunity by the police if he would go on record but he refused <music> <music> one prison a number one zero one one one admitted on multiple occasions not murder john suffield raymond gilbert claimed he was coerced and threatened after review the criminal cases review commission refused. I used to refer his case to the court of appeal. Jones suffield seen europe. I believed in spite of gilbert's claims he was involved in the mud. The in the years that followed suffield slowly changed his mind as he learned a number of psychiatrist doubted the validity of the confession suffield field was interviewed again in february two thousand and seven and said over the last few years evidence has been revealed to me from a number of sources. The change is that initial certainty but he did it into some doubt now as to whether he did it. I want this evidence to be looked at by someone who is qualified to look at it even saw so ray gilbert has been in prison now for twenty six years is tariff was fifteen years. So what is he been doing in prison for those extra eleven years. He's the prison service. Tell me he is not a model prisoner and therefore his risk assessment for a lease on licenses unacceptable on call all would be a model prisoner if always put in prison for life for a crime. I didn't commit john. Suffield senior was now so convinced gilbert citizens that he even offered him a bed. If he were released from prison it was reported that due to gilbert psychological problems may committed to something that he did not do because gilbert was under the belief that he would never be given a prison sentence. You'd been interviewed over appeared of at least twenty twenty nine hours without a lawyer present between the sixteenth and seventeenth of march nineteen hundred eighty one the first confession came after seven hours with father inconsistent confessions coming thick and fast the majority of the interview transcripts will hung written prior to the police and criminal mental evidence act of nineteen ninety four or pice as it is otherwise known which now require electronic recordings of interviews to be made uber confession either match some elements of the crime ovid wadley from what police discovered at the scene the timelines simply did not match at first gilbert said he income are committed. The murder at ten past ten more than ten minutes off to suffield was found. It was not until his fourth interview. The gilbert either admitted the truth or guess the right time is his supporters would insist gilbert told police overly the murder weapon and north could be found around down the drain near the scene but then in his written confession. He said it was taken to a friend. He'll say said that he and camara walked straight into the a betting shop but he's written confession describes threatening suffield with a knife making him open the door before entering detective superintendant tulsa leading leading the inquiry stated that the door was forced open which begged the question which was it though knife was shown to the jury at the trial there was no forensic evidence linked the weapon to the crime not to mention the lack of forensic evidence linking both men to the mud assi no coins were found and in that possession additionally gilbert at first said he stole eighty pounds then one hundred then five hundred a considerable white if it were to be taken in ten pence coins they gilbert made no mention of the money he had taken being in notes or coins he statement also said that the the plan was to i rub the bingo hall next door taking a knife on cooled with them but the robbery of the betting shop was only formed quickly when they spotted john suffield southfield opening the shop. Why gilbert implicated john kamara is not fully understood. Maybe he was coerced or may have been down to the the argument he had with his girlfriend over her allegedly sleeping with kamara as the interviews would not typed it was impossible to verify what was said highlighting the importance of having strict interview standard it is almost certain that geeta gilbert's admission with you deem it folks or not that that played a considerable part in john come ours unjust incarceration. It wasn't until his fifth and final interview that the pieces began gan to fall into place for detectives. They're repeated by gilbert. It would admit to an element of the crime before retracting his statement insisting he he was lying. You would eventually see a lawyer will die by then he had signed a confession during his time in prison gilbert would write to i'm neil a generalist who covered a series of miscarriages of justice. He writes about his interrogation explaining quote. They grabbed me around the throat in struggle and we began to wrestle with each other during the show is asking them to get off me and i bought one of them from this action. They decided i was the culprit. I never raised the abuse with the police doctor. No way woody avast because of the culture at the time join it was now also believed that gilbert changed his plea mid trial as he thought associates of kamara gun to come off to him in prison so he pleaded guilty hoping the camara would be released raymond gilbert had continued to deny his involvement and oboe sentenced to fifteen years he remained behind bars for not admitting that he was involved in the crime so another strange observations was is that bisazza newspapers around a bottle of milk which would have typically been left on the steps of the betting shop had been placed on a table inside neatly detective superintendent ulsan would describe this was pitched in the police photographs of the scene and even the jury raised this as a question into the judge puzzled how joan suffield could have been forced into the property at knife point but had the sense to pick up the bottle of milk and morning's paper on the way ryan was it more likely that will waiting inside in response to the jury's question about the milk in piper's. The judge queered wearied white masset us what he did with the money he stole from the betting shop. Gilbert said he bought furniture that when unquestioned his girlfriend june bannon verified that this wasn't true the furniture was legitimately purchased for the queries were raised just about the possibility that john suffield was handing over the keys to the betting shock to his manager following an unverified resignation along with the speed at which the police dismiss the individual who was said to threaten john a day before he was killed as a possible suspect. Joan suffield family recall him coming home from work worried on thursday night the evening before the murder. John said that he no longer wished to work at the betting shop and would be meeting his manage to return the a keys the next morning at nine thirty a. m. threats he had received the betting short were too much puzzlingly the betting shop coral as what is now known or joe curls as it was then but not received any communication to suggest that john safi wished to hand in his resignation and the manager could did not recall arranging to meet with john to collect the keys jones family also wondered how the police could have so quickly dismissed the man who had threatened on the day before he was murdered as they claimed to have interviewed everyone at the betting shot by the saturday evening. Jones family also questioned the reason for why he was murdered while they agreed that john had a stammer they described it as mild so he would have been able to communicate the safe combination. It is another piece of the puzzle which did not seem to fit was that john suffield family were familiar with the betting industry and the wayne which money stored in the saif they believed if are more likely but the killers became frustrated. Juice looking mechanism in the safe won't staff could open the outer to do a with a key or combination that was another compartment which only opened at specific times in this instance at eleven a._m. Jones family believed if he's killers were frustrated. It was likely due to their unwillingness to accept john could not access the safe as a timer was placed on the second lock doc or incest safe as it is also referred to while say the design this way to hinder any potential robberies is possible. There were no post as in the brought to explain the time lock was in operation. The robot didn't ni- they would not be able to access the money this pointed to raymond gilbert. It's innocence at least in the eyes of the suffield family is at the time they were unaware that she had made any mention of the problem with the second cy flock during any leave the statements they had seen in spite of multiple applications to the criminal cases review commission raymond gilbert's case was not referred to the court of appeal in two thousand nine before he's fourth submission to the c._r._c. which would ultimately file a campaign of a guild but bruce kent a former roman catholic priest on political activists said he never mentioned a time siphon his confession. If he had been there he would surely seen the scf. We also know the victim took a bottle of milk into the bookmakers but according to gilbert's confession it was being manhandled at the time. It's gilbert's confession have been true. The milk could have been dropped rather than place neatly down today today. There is no way that confession would lead to a prosecution in a further interview. Bruce kent said why would a man given a fifteen year tariff. You could have been released from prison years ago. Had he been model prisoner taken the necessary anger management courses and admitted his guilt nevertheless gone claiming he did not commit the crime while gilbert was not the best behaved prisoner he had undertaken several sponsored runs in the prison yard raising over one thousand housing four hundred pounds to provide medical care for young people is advocate sang these proves he was making progress and he was not the disruptive and undisciplined support man the prison authorities claimed him to be the university of bristol innocence project began working with raymond gilbert's defense thing and requested the merseyside police analyzed the exhibits from the crime scene for diana however they informed that the exhibits were lost the following john cameras release the press began to focus on a number of high profile miscarriages of justice and how the individuals involved were treated these included the birmingham six the bridge will to four an twenty five three kamara was often quoted as an example of how the state treats exonerates pulley after his release he was refused both housing and financial assistance being informed the tussey had not made the necessary national insurance contributions. He was ineligible. Kamara had to frequently points out that is he was in prison for a crime he did not commit he'd been unable to contribute anything. The weasel men an m._p. For liverpool riverside had been contacted by kamara while he was in prison and she started to look into his case she was interviewed and said quote initially thought john slip through the system but then i realized there was nice system she began working with the home office raising objectives to ensure that these individuals would be given urgent financial compensation housing council lake immediate access to financial benefits and assistance to help them find work. Elm was told by the home office they were setting up a working party to offer recommendations about compensation during may two thousand and one the is that followed new legislation was drafted in two thousand fourteen to define what constitutes a miscarriage of justice however these changes had severe ramifications in what was seen as a test case the supreme court ruled that not every miscarriage of justice would be entitled to compensation after after serving seventeen years in prison victim neilan had his conviction of rape attend in december two thousand thirteen following fresh dna evidence and sam hallam seven years for murder before having his conviction quashed after a single witness who placed him at the scene recanted her testimony joining hallam was imprison. His father took his life. Both men were at. I told they would receive no compensation for their unjust adjusting conservation and that claims eventually made their way to the u._k. Supreme court in a majority decision made at the start of two thousand nineteen lord man said quote the criminal standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt may on occasions lead to acquit a little discontinuance in civil case in circumstances where the commission off the offense could be established on the balance of probabilities in essence this means that an individual what i need receive compensation when it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt they did not commit the crime <music> in two thousand and seven john suffield senior made the most poignant comment of all nobody least of all. My family wants an innocent man in prison. Uh but three years later towards the end of two thousand and ten one of raymond gilbert's most prominent supporters seventy-five-year-old jones suffield what senior out a change of heart and was now says in his son was mud at raymond gilbert he had for the first time obtained and read further the confession made by gilbert and indeed mention a combination safe. Just as jones suffield senior thought it would he was part the statement in which gilbert refers to his accomplices. Roy coat kept asking suffield. If there was another safe he had his mouth open and wasn't and speaking a punched him twice in the face of them produced a knife and said if after resort to use this to get the answer about where the bright is our will but i won't say we took him into the back room and pushed him onto. Its share a tied. His hands behind his back and roy was looking at the safe. We found it in the back room returned to me and said it was a combo safe. I all suffield what the numbers were to open. The safe off to suffield had been cut twice. I told our roy to ask him for the numbers to open the scf. Roy put his head near to suffield mouth to hear what he was saying. Southfield mumbled something to roy news able to open the first part of the safe. I asked if there was anything else in the safe and roy said that there were only pipes yes but there was another part of the safe you will say said he couldn't open the other part suffield how to get open the other part of the safe. He was trying to mumble but i couldn't hear what he was saying was angry. Lost my temper in an interview with the liverpool echo john suffield senior said the only conclusion one comes too often reading that narrative is that gilbert was the killa ella. There's no remorse ni- massey the person who made that statement had to be there it appeared as though raman in gilbert had mentioned a combination safe after all while it would seem that that was the ended the matter things were getting even more complicated as it was revealed the statement provided by raymond gilbert detailing a combination safe. This was in fact written after he admitted to the crime in court and john kamara was then on trial. It was being alleged by raymond gilbert supporters supporters the gilbert's only wrote this confession to help kamara a campaign of a guild but would save gilbert's initial confession that quite white this was signed off the two days and nights of frequent interrogation by police officers with no one else present permissible in nineteen ninety-one but not today the confession made with police made no reference to the inner site which is crucial but i think raymond gilbert is a saint ain't but he's not matter so where are we now. During february two thousand thirteen raymond gilbert source first real taste of freedom was allowed to visit the town of shaft spring two miles north of guys marsh the category c prison in dorset where he was being held fifty four of the time. It's so far been imprisoned for thirty. One years he had been given a minimum term of fifteen years for the murder of john suffield and a further five attacking another inmate with a knife gilbert would have been released seena at he admitted to the murder however he still continue to deny he was involved a year later in a written submission he might further attempts to be moved to a category d prison and the open conditions of high champion kirk. I mean lancashire following his visits outside the prison wools the submission was rejected and he was informed that he was not suitable to be moved at this stage. It'd been violent silence and disruptive reportedly salting a female prison officer at the start of october two thousand and sixteen it was reported that raymond gilbert had been relased thirty five years after being sentenced for the murder of john suffield while gilbert was free questions still remain bruce ken to man who had campaigned continually forgive but to release said the raymond two survived all these years without losing his sanity is a miracle money side now at last he's out <music> <music>. Thank you for listening and special thanks to this week's patriot producers rebecca ratty tweets rebecca st sour khloe khloe cater and everyone who supports us on patriot for more information. Please lee seok show nights or visit. They walk among us podcast dot com <music> <music> <music> <music> yeah.
521a Berner Oberland; T.T. Williams' Utah; The Philippines
"Things you'll see when you hike in the Swiss Alps. If you time it right you can even watch the cows being paraded down from their grazing meadows. They got their bells on and to really the bigger. The bell is the more prestigious. That cow is. They're all pedigree for warmer vacations. Kiki dear says you can't beat the Philippines. It has some of the best diving in the world. You can go swimming with Welsh shocks. You can track in Angel of rice. Terraces do can even hike up. Active volcanoes and Terry Tempest Williams explains how she bought oil leases on Federal Land Near Her Home Mixed Arches National Park at rock bottom prices. We purchase them at a discount of one dollar fifty cents an Acre if you can imagine that are public lands for sale to lease oil and gas for less than a cup of coffee. What'S THE UTAH worth to you. Let's explore together in the our head on travel with Rick Steves. It's looking like the government is declared war on America's public lands at least that's how Terry Tempest Williams sees the trump executive order that rescinded federal protections. In her home. State of Utah. She tells us what's at stake and the innovative ways. She became what she calls a conservation buyer to prevent drilling near where she lives. Just outside of MOAB. We'll hear her story in just a bit on today's travel with Rick Steves and a British travel writer tells us why the Philippines is one of her favorite places anywhere in the world. Where at eight? Seven seven. Three three three seven four to five. If you only ever get to visit one place in Switzerland I'd recommend the Berner Oberland. It's the high country round. Enter some of the most famous mountain peaks in the Alps. There are dozens of hiking trails. That take you through glacial valleys to enjoy wildflowers and waterfalls Golo. It's my favorite place for taste of traditional Swiss mountain living in some of the most stunning scenery. You ever see when he lived there. Don Camera wrote a detailed guide to the hiking trails of the Bernese highland. He's here to help us get ready for an afternoon. Hike in the mountains done welcome pleasure dumb. I understand you know the trails of the region so well because you actually lived there for ten years in a little village I Decided to go traveling in one thousand nine hundred sixty and I made Switzerland my base. In fact a little town called Gimmel. I ended up staying at the youth hostel. They're often on for about three years. And then they ended up going up the hill and Managing Walters Hotel Mitha Gorn for about six years and when I first discovered Gimmel. You're already there. I think and I was still at the youth hostel. Utah's blend there's some graffiti on the wall upstairs in the Hustle says if Heaven's not what it's cracked up to be send me back to gavel. Yes people just fell in love with Gamma fault. What what are your memories of just away from the tourism but just living in this little community high in the Swiss Alps without any traffic or where almost everybody has the same last name. Well it was kind of what I was looking for this little quiet small village. Nobody spoke English back there. Twenty years ago. It's a little bit different now. There's people that speak English because of of the tourism that's in the area But it was just a small dairy farming community. The youth hostel run by Lena. Remember Lena Lena she's like human goat. Lena yeah she She charged I think three or four francs for the youth hostel. So people didn't really come to stay for the night or tune as they stay for weeks and sometimes like myself and you could cook for the price of groceries. Alpine commute ten cents to cook To Cook Food. And then moving up to Walter's. Walters was an inexpensive hotel with about thirty eight bids but it had a million dollar view hotel mid dog horn. If you have the of the Doug Horn and much more. When people go to Switzerland a lot of people go to the famous towns. So they'll go to interlocken. I want to Interlocken for several years before I realized all the magic is up. The Hill town says you know. They're they're utilitarian there. That's where you can pick up your groceries or validate your train pass or whatever but then you go to the high country and south of Interlaken which means between the two lakes Lake Tune. In speeds south of interlocken is a valley in at branches in left and right to the left is Grendel gold and that's famous in so many ways and all the big tour buses go there and there's all the resort hotels but to the right you've got louder Bruin Valley and that's the value fell in love with and that I fell in love with describe loud to Brunen valley and even the name Louder Brennan could mean lauhgter. Mitch means many and Brennan or springs or or water sources and in the value. Got Over seventy waterfalls. That are kind of falling off the side. Now I've I've driven up that valley in a sunny dry times and I kinda go. What waterfalls but then if you come there after a big rainstorm. It's just thunderous with waterfalls. All around you. Yeah those seventy become a hundreds. It's busy in the ski time and busy in the hiking time When you're there in the hiking time you still use all the ski lifts to get around. Describe some of your lift options from the valley floor. There's two ways that you can go onto the ones that you can take a cable car up to grew chump Hike or take the train to Marin. And if you want to go up higher you're going to be taking funicular to almond who will maybe or a cable car up to the chiltern even across the valley. You've got the Ume Frau Yolk incredible tunnel through the EIGER. All the way up to the top of the saddle below the young fro yum. How tall do you have any idea how tall that is? How something like ten eleven thousand thousand feet? It's above ten thousand because you can feel the attitude. You get a little bit dizzy when you get up. There's nothing to be concerned about. I always feel a winded. When I go up there climb the steps and I just feel like I got to get in shape but then I remember. Oh I'm at eleven thousand feet. I can cut myself a little slack. Exactly I mean. They have a written all over the place. Don't you feel like this? Don't worry about. It is normal natural. Just slow down sit down and slow down and then this mountain lift tunnels through the Eiger. It actually stops halfway up the north face of the EIGER and the ultimate challenges for rock climbers. And you look out halfway up this cliff. You're looking down on the lower horn. Which is where they have the World Cup almost every year. You're looking out towards interlocken. So you're looking northward so you can kind of see the lowlands and then you can see you can see burn from those little windows at you're looking and you may now nowhere to look but there are probably rock climbers frozen hanging on the. I was going to see. Some of them are really with US anymore. They're just hanging there and they can't get to them the helicopters inaccessible so they know that there but they can't rescue them. This is travel with Rick Steves. We're talking with John Kamara about hiking in the burner overland in the burner overland. You can really experience a lot of amazing folk culture. The traditions survive very well in these high community at least survive. I don't know about very well. I understand the Swiss government recognizes the value of some of these traditional industries. And doesn't just let it die. The death of this small family farm in the United States but but subsidizes. So it's it carries on what's the case there? Why would they do that? Well they like to have the dairy farming industry for example to to continue a tradition It's a way of life and there are people that are many bulow still in the dairy farming industry. But it's not. It's not a living that you can really make a living at considering the economic situation of Switzerland when everybody's making much more than a farmer would so the farmers need to be subsidizing needs to go to the big city and become software programmers exactly so they're struggling but they're surviving these small family farms and we can see that business metabolism and we can actually sleep in some of these places because many rent out beds done commercials. Our guest right now travel with Rick. Steves Michael in Chumsford Massachusetts joins us on the line at eight seven seven three three three rick. He has a question about hiking in the Swiss Alps. I Michael decided as a monk to take my summer trip to Switzerland and I'm going to spend a couple of days in Bernie's open land. I'm really excited. And I just want to know what are the some of the best Hiking trails one can take to get the most iconic view of the young crowd among the Eiger That is the ultimate sort of Panorama. The memo canoe the three great peaks. What is it done? The Immune Val Mahnken Ogre. What does that mean in Swiss German the monk and the Froth Eiger is an ogre an ogre yeah and the monk is a monk a religious monk and the young fellas young maiden so got the monk protecting the young maiden from the older the ogre. Exactly Oh what. A charming frozen. Ice Glacier filled a scenario now Michael wants some of the classic views in the Burner Orlando. You lived of the algorithmic in the for. Yeah you can get that a couple of different ways. Downloadable evaluators the shelter inside and then. There's the vague insider the the client shedding side that would be where the rallies I can young really right in front of the clannish. I dig right but you don't have to get the client to get the view of the of the monk and the young crowd. It is a fantastic view. And the right in front of you when you get there which is taking a train from Lauder Brunen to hang on and then you can continue on by train to climate. And that's where the train starts if you want to. That goes up in the mountain into the eiger through among young frog. Or you can look at the views and I sometimes think they might even be better from the other side Schilthorn side in louder bring you take the cable. Corrupt grew job train or walk to Muren even just a train ride or walking to Muren. You see the monk in the young for the training. Self you take the funicular up to good shop and then this it's built for the view in fact what's the name of that train the Panorama fart that part is the German word exotic journey Panorama journey. And that's the Panorama far trained that goes from Grachov to Mirren And just on a sunny day. There's nothing like it but Michael. You you're going to be there and you're going to be bathed in views everywhere you look. There's views and there's famous views there's less Amos views but there's a little place game of all the DINU may remember. I just loved when there was a moon rise going just a couple hundred yards away from hotel. Duggan sitting a bench but thank the is like the farmers in the village place to these three or four benches right there and you could sit there and it's just it's silent it's twilight and there's a village below you. And there's a few farmers to puttering around and you know the cowboys are happy. And then you see the moon rising over the peaks. It's just is something magic about that view. I just got a lot of therapy out of that view. I think Michael you've got to go over there and check it out. Yep Thank you by the Berner. Oberland in the middle of the Swiss Alps is our destination. And Don Camera is our guide right now on travel with Sixty Kathleen joins us on the line from San Francisco. Hi Kathleen find out. What's the best time to go seasonally for the weather to take the hiking trails in the area up there and the Burner Open? Land does a couple of different ones. That are really good. I particularly like June end of May June. Because that's when the flowers are blooming If you go in the fall which is also nice September. The leave started change and the hillside is is on fire with color. I like the summer anytime in the summer for just the reliable weather in the long days and the warmth August is a very good in fact. One of my favorite Christmas is ever was gaveled grass in the winter. It is gorgeous in the winter but the hiking is limited. No there's no then and I went up with my favorite hotelier Walter where you worked and we went up to Marin and and we sled it down on the trail. I did the same thing with Walter. It's beautiful isn't it and beat me down and there's a classic Old Hotel Your He. He was like a little kid when he sat on his sled. Just that here's a Swiss boy at heart forever. He must've been eighty years old when we did this. Get Lean. Thanks for your call. Thanks this is travel with Rick Steves. We've been talking with John. Kamara about the heights. And the Culture Switzerland's Berner Oberland Don. I've always been charmed by the when the cows come down from the high metal. This is not something that's just in the story books. This actually happens. I was just recently there and after a long hike I heard this tinkle tinkle. Choi coming down the mountain. Well yeah talks about how that happens. What's the deal? Well throughout the year that animals are taken up to higher pastures. So that they can be set. Free and munch on the meadows and as the weather starts to get colder. They bring the cows down a little bit a little bit and eventually have to bring back to the to the local town to injure their barnes for for the winter and they've got their bells they got their bells on and it really. The bigger. The bell is the more prestigious. That cow is they're all pedigree and not only do they have bells to have flowers on their heads and the the farmers that are bringing the cows. Downer also dressed in traditional clothing twentieth. Twenty-first is lake past centuries alive. Yep and we can experience it done Kamara. Thanks so much and take some time. I get the pleasure. If there was a contest for most colorful nation on earth the Philippines might be a good bit. We'll explore the nation of seven thousand islands in just a bit but first when the bidding sagged on an oil and gas lease sale for drilling on federal land. Utah the auctioneer joked. Come on man. This is a lotta scenery going to waste well. Writer and environmental activist. Terry Tempest Williams was in the room. She explains why she and her husband bid on those unsold parcels and why they created tempest exploration LLC as the first energy company devoted to keeping fossil in the ground that Utah Terry Tempest Williams. That's next on travel. With Rick Steves hiking in the Red Rock wilds of the Utah Desert. It might soon notice and unusual sound listen closely and you may hear mining oil drilling on what used to be federally protected land or maybe it's just the sound of Teddy Roosevelt spinning in his grave. Ever since President Roosevelt signed the Antiquities Act nineteen o six to create national monuments that protect natural and cultural heritage sites across America. There's been pushback from some industrial interests. For the last few years Terry Tempest Williams has been writing columns in the New York Times and elsewhere about the battle going on in her native. Utah on one hand are her neighbors. Who Support the trump administration's removing protections on many federal lands especially at bears ears. National Monument on the other hand are those who prefer the type of tourism a quiet wilderness attracts and note the warning from tribal leaders that thousands of their ancestors. Archaeological sites are at risk of now being open for business. Utah's rich with more than a dozen parks and monuments run by the National Park Service and the Bureau of land management when Terry found there. Were no takers for oil and gas leases. That was offering near her home. She and her husband got an idea. She joins us now to tell us about it into explain why. Utah remained such a special place for her. Terry thanks for being with us again. Thank you record is love our conversations Terry Utah you happen to live in a state that has what five national parks and seven National Monuments. And you grew up there. What does Utah Mean to you? Utah is bedrock. It's family. It's where the bones of my ancestors dwell six generations. I come from a a Mormon family. my roots for an American Westerner Who is white are are deep and my devotion is is very real. Terry wrote that. You had a seminal moment as a child. Pornography Cave National Monument. What happened I loved Him Pinocchio? It's a mountain in the shape of a woman and we are told from the time we have a memory that this is where the spirit of the maiden of Tim. Focus lives and every time you drive by from Provo Utah to Salt Lake. You see her as a child. I could swear that I saw her breathe. This is A story told by people and I remember a ute grandmother who I knew as a child told me that inside that mountain was the beating heart of the maiden so when I was eight years old our Church group which is Mormon. I decided that upon our baptism into the church. We would hike up to mount timber notice and enter this cave. It's about a mile and a half straight up. We were there. I remember these iron green doors. They open there was a park ranger. We entered inside the mouth of the cave. The temperature dropped. It was humid here. Were these stalactites. Stalagmites registered his teeth. We started walking on this raised path. So that you weren't stepping on the stalagmites and there we walked through this magical these magical forms called father. Times jewel box the valley of sleep but I could hardly concentrate all I could think of is. Where is the beating heart of the maiden of the mountain in there? It was large wet huge. I wondered if you attached it. Would it register as cold or Hot? I was completely mesmerized so much so that I failed to continue walking with the rest of my group. Suddenly the lights went off. The door slammed and I was left in the heart of the mountain with the darkness. I have never known. I can't tell you when fear turned to wonder. But what I can tell you is that I felt that beating heart even as my own. I don't know how long I was there but suddenly I heard the door opened the light. Go on and there was my primary team saying. Oh you're saved but I wanted to say you didn't save me. The mountain did and I think for the rest of my life. I've been trying to find that same experience of being held that closely to that kind of power and dare I say love. You know every time I go into a national park. I meet the miraculous. But if I'm honest I think I'm still searching for that sense of And Majesty wonder and fear that I felt in those moments of of being inside that mountain next to that heart. You mentioned the tribe. Is that where Utah comes from? It's the indigenous people that live there. I UTA yes. Yes because that experience you had. It's seems like it's almost trying to duplicate inexperience Indian. Kids might have had as they came of age and gained an appreciation of nature. You know I don't know My Friend Regina Lopez White Skunk who viewed? I have so much respect for her sense of circles and cycles in the land her deep sense of politics and protection on. She was one of the members of the bears. Ears intertribal commission who has fought so diligently to protect these lands that are under siege By this current administration. And so you know I think native people they stay. And that's what I want to model is. How do we stay and be loyal to a place have a fidelity place? Yeah if closeness to the land is is a good thing. They have an advantage built in that we can be. I think aspire to they also know what it means to have it removed and I think we are just now beginning to touch on what native people have felt all along as we watch our public lands in a move to be privatized to be sold to the highest bidder. Terry Tempest Williams is our guest on. Travel Rick Steves. She writes about the landscape of her native Utah and her relationship. With twelve of America's national parks in her book called the hour of land. It's now out in paperback. Terry's also writer in residence at the Harvard Divinity School. And she's been a visiting professor in environmental studies at Dartmouth College Terry President. Obama set aside one point three million acres for. Utah's bears ears National Monument back in two thousand sixteen. The trump administration reduced ears by eighty five percent. This is now being challenged in the courts. What are your thoughts on this when you look at laws like the nineteen o? Six antiquities at that protects these wild lands and cultural spaces. I think it it has helped define who we are as Americans that was established with Theodore Roosevelt and I have faith in the open space of democracy and the will of the people but right now I would be lying to you. If I didn't say that I am concerned and and I am standing with native people indigenous people and the tribes that we are closest to Utah. Which would be the Navajo the Hopi the Zuni and other tribes within the Colorado plateau or standing on the side of protecting bears. Ears National Monument. Terry Okay you're talking about the value. The the intangible value really of of a National Monument Lake bears ears. Now what if I just think whether it's a real need energy independence jobs the economy? How can you put a price on the value of over a million acres when when I really think it can help us have a stronger economy and become energy independent? What's so important about bears ears other than what we can mind out of it. It's a great question. And it's one that the trump administration are asking along with many of our county commissioners. But I think it's about long-term concerns and short term gain. I also think it's a myth that's being propagated if you talk to the communities adjacent to bears there's National Monument and particularly Grand Staircase National Monument the Chamber of Commerce and the business people. They're saying that it is booming that they have a shortage of labor that for the first time they have a dentist in town that they are are doing better with a national monument and park near than they were before. So I think this is a myth and when I look at what? Orrin Hatch is advocating. Look at WHO's paying for his campaign and look at who stands to benefit if our national monuments are opened up for fossil fuel companies and. That's what I think we have to think about. I WANNA share with you because I think both these voices are central to our history as utahns. Bernard Devoto who wrote for Harper's magazine wrote in Nineteen fifty one quote. You had better watch this now. And from now on the land grabbers are on the loose again and they can be stopped only as they were before by the effective marshalling of public opinion. We're there and I love these words of Wallace stagner. That was in the same era. Nineteen fifty five year. I was born where he says. Quote it is a better world with some buffalo left in it. A richer world with some gorgeous canyons unmarred by signboards. Dog stands superhighways or high tension lines underground by POWER OR IRRIGATION RESERVOIRS. If we preserved as parts only those places that have no economic possibilities we would have no parks and in the decades to come it will not be only the Buffalo and the Trumpeter Swan who need sanctuaries. Our own species is going to need them to. It needs them now. Now that was in the nineteen fifties when Dinosaur National Monument in Utah was at risk and Bears Years National Monument and Grand Staircase National Monument or risk. I have to believe that by marshalling public opinion by people coming forward those lands will still be protected. Conservation is a generational stance. And that's what I'm seeing now. So it's quite an interesting awareness raising challenge because even your father wrote fracking has freed us from the Arabs. I mean there's this patriotism almost how do we explain that to a world that sees everything in a balance sheet and bottom lines and in numbers? We can imagine the lively conversation. We have around our dinner table and I love my father. There's something very poignant about your own flesh and blood seeing an environmental issue differently than you. I've had the same challenge with my dad in and I think age of us do and we love them and they love us. But it's a spirited conversation so much so rick that my father accompanied me to Theodore Roosevelt National Park where just outside the park boundaries. You see fracking. The Balkan oilfields when my father and I went It was at its boom period. Where a million barrels a day were coming out a day and we went into the town of Williston. We saw them in camps. My father went up and ask some of the men who signs your paycheck. And they couldn't answer him and he saw that they were completely being used in two weeks. On two weeks off trading residency in containers storage container at my father wept. And he said this is not right. I am all for oil. I've made my living by lane pipe in the ground in the West. I'm proud of the scars I've made on this landscape but the city and the scale that is happening now at the expense of both the workforce and the land itself is not right. That's what my father said after that. First statement you mentioned so I think we're changing and it's different time. We're looking at climate change. Fossil fuels will be part of our history. And so as a people we I think we have to stand up and say who we are as Americans what we care about and what we want for the future of our nation and our children in her book. Our of Land Terry Tempest Williams writes that America is at a crossroads. She writes we can continue on the path. We've been on in this nation that privileges prophet over people in land or we can unite as citizens with a common cause the health and wealth of the earth that sustains us she continues if we cannot commit to this kind of fundamental shift then democracy becomes another myth perpetuated by those in power. We're learning about the beauty and challenges Terry Tempest Williams binds in her home state of Utah. Right now on travel with Rick Steves. There's more on her website. Coyote CLAM DOT com for people who care about the environment. He just lay awake at night. Thinking what can I do? You actually purchased land in order to save it from drilling. Can you explain about that? Initiative on the part of you and your husband Yes it was the quarterly oil and gas auction lease option in Salt Lake City. Utah where members of the oil and gas industry. Come TO BID ON. Lisa's then they will develop for fossil fuels Brooklyn. I made the decision. As citizens to purchase some of those oil and gas leases. Which we did we bought two leases one thousand one hundred and twenty acres on a remnant sale they were not leases that the oil and gas companies wanted or chose to bid on we purchase them at a discount of one dollar and fifty cents an Acre if you can imagine that are public lands for sale to lease oil and gas for a dollar fifty. That's less than a cup of coffee. We were asked what kind of energy we were going to develop. And I said you can no longer define what energy means to us the energy. We wish to develop at this moment. In time is the energy to fuel movement to keep our fossil fuels in the ground are. Lisa's have been denied. The Bureau of land management did not give us the leases on the grounds of our intent. Not to drill for oil. We said that we would drill for oil as soon as science could show us that the oil and gas was worth more above ground than below given the costs of climate to our future. What we also said is that the oil and gas companies have no desire or designed to develop those leases that they've purchased until the price of oil rises. So we feel we have been treated unfairly and we have appealed the bureau of Land Management's decision. Our case will go before the Board of Appeals in the Department of Interior and must be interesting for you a well-known Utah and walking down the streets of your hometown to feel the friendship's end the enemies you've made with your outspokenness for the environment. I love my home. And it's worth fighting for and I think people know where I stand. There are many who disagree. There are many that don't and I think it's all part of the conversation and I try not to take it personally. That's hard but you know I look at my father as an example and we have disagreed on many many things but when we bought those oil and gas leases it. Cut Right to the core. This is how my family's made its living and my father said you've made a mockery of our family. A few days later when he saw what was at stake and how serious we were and the injustices that were happening even losing my job at the University of Utah my father is now the CEO of tempest energy company. It's an LLC that we have formed. So I think we're evolving growing. Yes it's painful it's messy. There are costs involved but this is to me what it means to be of place to stay in a place and carry on this conversation together. It's about listening even to the land. Well especially to the Land Terry. Tempest Williams. Thank you so much. For writing the hour of land and inspiring us to learn more about the value of our wilderness. And thank you for reminding us to keep our eyes wide open. The only wrinkle here's Aurora water. Children take method tools for is was stoked. Save you can listen to Terry's earlier conversations with us about her. Favorite National Parks Look in the travel. With Rick Steves archives on our website. Rick Steves DOT com slash radio. You'll find Terry in programs number five seven and four ninety five there from December and August of twenty seventeen. We're at eight seven seven three seven four to five or you can write us at radio. At Rick Steves Dot Com travel writer. Kiki dear takes your calls about the Philippines next stay with US auto abby my new luckily enough Michael. That was the guy. Look for Good Day malaria from Manila Philippines. And I travel with Rick. Steves Addo Monari Malacca my knee. Luckily at Nagoya Physics as a destination the Philippines often gets overlooked by travelers who vacation instead in Indonesia Malaysia or Thailand. If you're looking for white sand beaches some of the world's best surfing and diving and encounters with some of the friendliest people on Earth who also happen to speak English. Our next guest suggests he should put Philippines into your travel and there are more than seven thousand islands to choose from travel writer and photographer. Kiki dear joins us now from London to tell us why the Philippines is one of our favorite places on her. She's written beautifully illustrated journey through the Philippines and unforgettable journey from the Nila to Mindanao Kiki. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much for having me. What distinguishes people's travels these days is experiences? And you know there's a lot of great destinations in in the Pacific Rim that you could visit. Or what are some of the experiences that would make the Philippines really memorable for traveler? Well there are so many which I think make the Philippines. The incredible country that it is it has some of the best diving in the world. You can go swimming with well sharks you can track in age-old rice hearses. You can have a look. Goods are hanging coffins. Love beaches of course are plenty of them with more than seven thousand islands. So there are a plethora beaches where you can relax and enjoy. Enjoy the beautiful waters. You can even hike up active volcanoes. So what's that Lake hiking up? An active volcano is that you do that on a tour. Is there a regular trail with the trail head information centre? Or what's the experience like? Well they're over. Twenty active volcanoes in the Philippines and Mount is the world the most well known and it said to have the world's most symmetrical cone and you can you can trick up a number of them. Of course. There are various warnings in place at time. So you need to obviously make sure you're you up to date with the current situation. Of course it's highly advise to get a guide. Once you are in the country you need to have a look at the latest situation and then decide whether it's a good idea or not trick up it gets obviously some of them being act in Kennels quite dangerous that's serious business travel writer. Kiki Gears Guide to the Philippines right now on travel with Rick Steves. Her bookcase journey through the Philippines. Kiki posts photos of a world travels on her website and Kiki dear dot com. That's spelled K. I K. D. E. R. E. R. Phone number is eight seven seven three three three seven. Four two five marks on the line from Bonney Lake Washington mark. What's your question for Kiki what I was a child? My father's in the military and we lived in the in the Philippines from sixty three to sixty five and we traveled all over Luzon. We actually went up to the guy rice terraces and Benelli and it was really a wonderful trip and I wondered if you could just tell the people a little bit about the the Guy Laroche Terrace. Absolutely they're actually one of my favorite place in the country. So they're they're up in the news on in the in the year US region which is a mountainous region in the north of the Philippines and they are designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site. And they were they weave around the mountainside and they were hewn out of the mountains about two thousand years ago by the Hugo people which tribe that lives in in the US of Northern Luzon. And it's supposed to trek through the terraces and overnight and traditional food hearts which I think is a highlight of any absolutely any trip to the Philippines. The scenery is simply breathtaking cookie. This is the rice terraces of BONALY BE IN A. U. E. Is that right cracked now? They've been around for two thousand years and they just look dreamy and it's a reminder of the importance of rice to the the Philippine culture. I understand local series race. Three times a day absolutely. It's Royce of course is a staple of Filipino cuisine. In fact more than three times about five times a day even in the afternoon you know you sort of afternoon snack. Royces also consumed even for putting their rice rice cakes and absolutely it's huge consumed along with fish of course to five times a day. How how do they is? It just steamed rice that they would just eat a little bundle of steamed rice or is it cook different ways to make it more resting. Janas normally just steamed and then it's accompanied by could be fish or meat. A lot of meat especially pork is consumed in the Philippines. And that's probably a legacy of the Philippines was a Spanish colony for over three centuries an in Spain is you know they they eat a lot of pork and Adobo is probably the national dish and then Lutron which is talking pig which is consumed widely at important occasion so you know weddings or celebrations. Because you see these big festivals where they have an entire pig that's been cooked up for the occasion. Exactly Hey Mark. Thanks for your call. Thank you very much. Thank you this is travel with Rick. Steves we're talking with key. Her Book Is Journey through the Philippines paging through your book. It's just one thing about the Philippines is just the colorful sort of Cultural Festival. And all of the gorgeous little insights and they mostly cute primates. Tell us about these. Little tiny guys with lovable is yes. The Tashi is who are very sweet very adorable and you can find them in ball. Never curious wide-eyed animals that are one of the world's smallest primates and they way only about one hundred and fifty grams. There's big as the palm of your hand. That tiny they actually look. They look like aliens. Do they run around like squirrels do here where I live or or then? He's given kept. You Not really used to see them bit like Koalas sitting in the trees. They do have quite a high pitched sounds they make and Kiki you know a lot of people would claim that different countries are very hospitable. But it's pretty clear you get a very warm welcome the Philippines. Can you talk about Filipino? Hospitality absolutely I think Filipino. Hospitality is one of the aspects of the Philippines. That that I probably have the most I have never on any of my travels and I must have been very fortunate to have travelled quite extensively. I've never come across anybody as friendly as the Filipinos they are the most welcoming warm people and as you know the Philippines is is quite a poor country but despite all the poverty the people always have a smile on their face and are always ready to share what they have with visitors Geeky. It's interesting that when people go to Asia. They think Thailand or Malaysia Indonesian oftentimes. They don't even consider the Philippines. Why do you think that is well? That's a good question and I have to say it still still baffles. Me traveled as do end up in Cambodia Laos Vietnam Thailand Malaysia suits on the main peninsula. But I think the Philippines has been a sort of extra flight across. I think that may be one of the reasons why people who've overlooked also. It's just one more flight away in it. Is I mean if you already? You know if you're traveling you would fly for example to Singapore Ben Cauca wherever in the morning so there are. People tend to travel a lot to the country's by land whilst of to get to the Philippines. You need an extra flight. What about President Duty? I mean he's getting what he should be. Getting horrible presses just killing people outside of the law just for being related to the Drug Industry. There is that a concern for. I mean it's a horrible thing and a lot of people would understandably not want to patronize that. With their with their tourist dollar on the other hand you could go there and just help connect that country with the rest of the world through tourism which is a great secondary value of Tourism What are what are your thoughts about do tae and the current situation and how it might impact a traveler considering going to the Philippines to say it has been quite a lot about Preston the Philippines and there was already quite a lot of bad press on the Philippines before because of Mindanao and regional unrest. There so I think possibly that's actually another reason why people have have been put off visiting but I have to say that once you are actually in the country it you don't really. Of course there is crime like there is anywhere but I never felt any safer than traveling in the Philippines and as a female so trumpeter I think that's saying something so it's a very big country and there are a Muslim that are angry and they've got some extremists there. That are violent. You've got killings in every country but there's thousands of killings done by the government to make real serious point about. We're not going to allow any drugs. In this society. Apparently drugs have been had a ravaging effect on the community. Or I don't know what's driving him but you're saying as tourist you go there and you're you're almost oblivious to that yes absolutely or at least that's how. I felt but again the areas where there is regional unrest specifically Mindanao which is in the south where it is a bit of a conflict zone because there are various factions recording for autonomy from for Minnesota. So I strongly suggest of course if travel is a planning on going there then they should check the security situation before but given that there are over seven thousand islands and this is just one of them There is obviously a lot more to see again. All the places that tourists tend to visit or perfectly safe travel writer. Kiki ears taking us to the Philippines right now. Travel with Rick Steves. She writes guidebooks on the Philippines and other Southeast Asia countries for rough guides and Tuttle publishing has released her own photo field guide called journey through the Philippines. Every page is filled with brilliant photos of smiling people in the country's stunning scenery including its spectacular rice terraces waterfalls and Marine Life. And even one of the world's strangest wide eyed primates. Found nowhere else. Honor Kiki when we think of going to the Philippines first of all it has a huge connection with Spain named after King Philip the second of Spain the Philippines. It's the only country in Asia colonized by the Spanish today. it's dominant. Religion is Catholicism The Languages Tagalog. But it's also English. What's the language situation? Traveler will encounter. I think the Philippines is one of the easiest countries to travel around when it comes to languages and the lack of language barriers because it was an American coordinator for a number of years and and there was a huge amount. There is still a huge American influence in the way people dress what people eat even the way they behave and of course in the language because English is the official language. Taganrog is is taught of course at schools as well people speak Tagalog but English is also taught in virtually. Everybody speaks English. How problem into. There's a long history of Western conquest. What Magellan arrived there? What five hundred years ago? Yeah what what can you actually see from the very early times of the European conquest? There's wonderful colonial cities vegan actually comes to mind and that's A. V. I. A. N. Vegan Cra Trojan young and. It was a very important political military center during the Spanish times and actually Chinese citing vessels would leave from their foot of gold and beeswax and other products were brought the coast from the Cordell. Where actually the rice terraces are not that region? I'm and to this day. The historical centers beautifully preserved wooden houses Chinese Mexican in in architecture and many have been converted into guest houses museums. And in fact there are still horsedrawn. Carriages that that you can see it on. The streets invite tourists often take rides in them. So that's probably one of the most beautifully preserved Spanish colonial towns and then there are some pretty exotic things in the countryside that go back to Sort of a mix of Christian and indigenous rituals. You've got this This phenomenon of hanging coffins. You wrote a fascinating article about that. Can you explain the hanging coffins of Sega? Yep so in the town of Sakata which actually was a bit of a behemoth retreat in the seventies ended attracted many artists intellectuals who came here for some peace and quiet and to paint and write and one of its main attractions on fighting these. These hanging coffins. Just hang from a cliff face and the quite extraordinary there are only about one meter about three feet in length and the reason being because the the corpses were buried in the fetal position and this is a tradition that dates back about two thousand years and sadly it's it's something that's dying out. I understand from your article that people were concerned that the bodies wood rot if they put them into the wet ground The dogs would eat them or they could be trophies for head hunters and They decided to hang among these cliffs and curly. Nobody could get them when they're halfway up. A mountain on a cliff cracked talk. About how the Christian beliefs when countries what eighty or ninety percent Catholic today are mixed in with the Indigenous rituals. That were there. Before the Christian colonial powers even arrived fiestas and festivals are huge pay huge part in Philippine culture and many of them are rooted in Christianity and the Spanish win. They they arrived. Introduce a number of fiestas to two towns and various air is an many of us were held in honor of Catholic patron saints largely to criticize the country and a number of them instead of course held for example. The Virgin Mary For example the Florida's Demayo Festival in. May which is one of the country's largest so none of Christian elements have been incorporated in in these age old traditions and Catholic celebrations continued to be celebrated with umbrella enthusiasm Christmas Or the day of the dead When everybody goes to the cemeteries to bring you gifts and food and so on to the dead So people do very much celebrates both Christian fiestas and festivals of course being a Christian country but also That they continue to celebrate ancient traditions from the islands. Kiki imagine nearly everybody goes to the Philippines starts in Manila. Is that a good idea. And what would be some of the highlights of your experience in Manila. Because frankly I hear about a lot of cities around the world. But I don't hear much about Manila. Manila is actually not as daunting as As most people think it is it has some fantastic fantastic museums and a beautiful. Historical Center is called intramurals which in Spanish means within the walls and that was the historic core of the city and the seat of the government during the Spanish colonial times it was originally built to protect the city from invaders and it is today. A huge tourist attraction another major highlight. I guess is is under which is Chinatown which is said to be the oldest Chinatown in the world and one of the highlights. Chinatown is this extraordinary Chinese summitry that was established in the nineteenth century. Kiki when you mentioned that Manila has the oldest Chinatown in the world. It's just a reminder that the country really has a strong melting pot dimension of course there's an indigenous culture but it's also The result of just centuries of bigger and stronger cultures coming in Chinese spanish-american talk a little bit about how how all of these invading cultures shapes the Philippine culture. We experience today well. Firstly in the language like we said before. English is the official language without sudden one of the biggest legacies of the American times and people wear western clothes. If you travel to other countries in South East Asia you will see more. Traditional dress was in the Philippines. People largely dress like we do in the West. They shop in malls there. Many malls in Manila air conditioned very smart malls and of course they practice Catholicism again. This is a legacy of the Spanish Times. Then the Filipinos are extremely devout. Catholics underneath each virtually every town. There is a church and church is also found in the remotest corners of the country. And then you have some little of the country for example in the quarter yet us where the rice terraces all the people who have very ancient traditions that they continue to this day for example they place all that could blow their rice deities that they place in the fields to bring abundant harvest. People continue to observe these ancient conditions whilst at the same time simulating cultures from that have been left from the Americans and the Spanish. This is travel with Rick. Steves who've been talking Kiki dear about the Philippines Kiki a lot of people just rave about the chocolate hills. Take this there. And why is that? So striking for people. Yeah the chocolate hills seventy one of the main attractions tourist attractions of the Philippines and the clinical cost hills. That geologists believed were formed from Corden. Mine Stone over centuries of erosion and. They're they're over one thousand of this cone shaped hills and they all vary in size and in fact when you look at them and also depending on the season that you are the they look like little hills of chocolates hence of course the the name and Kiki we've been talking about you know Manella and a lot of the mainstream kind of dimension to the Philippines but seven thousand islands. Let's finish just with a chance to to go to the one most offbeat and out of the way remote slices of this culture that you would like us to consider if we're trying to put our travel dreams into reality here when it comes to the Philippines so what I was lost in the Philippines like visited by Tana's which is the country's remotest island province. An any gets about thirty or forty foreign travelers per year so literally. Just you know just a handful and it's quite an extraordinary place that has very little in common with the with the rest of the land of the country. The language is different. The food is different. The islands look completely different. The topography is very different. While the rest of the Philippines is largely white sand beaches with gorgeous clearwater. Here there are these rugged cliffs and Very Green Green Hills With meadows whether a buffalo and horses and castle an fight it reminded me a lot of islands and islands of jagged coastline. And it's very interesting. You could take a boat to nine and call subtitling which is very quiet. Little place where we're houses are built of stone and the reason for this is because the stone to withstand the destructive typhoons that very often hit these islands that sounds like a way to capture Philippine experience. If you can get there absolutely. And if emily goes there they're going to bump up the total amount of tours to to the but Donna's islands by a substantial amount. Kiki dear. Thanks so much for your insight into the Philippines and Congratulations on your book journey through the Philippines. Thank you thank you. Lan- grabble Steve is produced. At Rick Steves Europe in Edmonds Washington by Tim. Tappan is a Kaplan Wilner and Casimiro Hall. Thank for studio help this week to the BBC's woven house in London and Wfan de Dartmouth College in New Hampshire. There's more online at Rick Steves dot com slash radio. Rick Steves has spent a third of his adult life in Europe. 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Trainer Talk with Pat McBurney
"This is trainer talk on the verse Racing Radio Radio Network presented by Phasing Tipton but it all. A super. Wins. The salt, we'll get the've ask season career win number six, thousand it was all another but doug nail. Trainer. A six als rosie. Trainer Gary Contessa his two thousandth career. Win On dialed in never got. It was Animal Kingdoms Grandma. Steve Hobby with career victory of a one thousand overbroad. Now. Here's Mike. Pana. Low, again, everyone welcome to the show trainers listened to trainer talk presented by Phasing, Tipton on the Horse Racing Radio Network as always you're listening to the show live throughout North America on Sirius to nineteen Xm to a one or you're tuned into our free live streaming or the archive podcast of the show on our. Website at horse racing radio, dot net I of course, am Mike Penner Baron of the backstretch ready to roll for the next hour with a trainer who has learned his craft from a New Jersey legend trainer, John Forbes, and if you miss any portion of this interview in the first half of the show, don't worry. We will replay the entire interview in the second half of today's program. Keep in mind that in the years that my guest tonight spent working with and learning from John, he had the chance to be around such standout greatest stakes horses as time ocean port. Handicap winner Boyce and Delaware. Handicap winner Amarillo get serious who recorded five graded stakes wins including three in the red bank stakes and, of course, the talented tell the cat who won the king's Bishop at Saratoga in nineteen ninety-seven seven but this past weekend was pretty good for the guest on today's show he saddled on his own by the way his five year old New Jersey Bred Golden Brown prior to victory in on this Irish War Cry Handicap, and he is trainer Pat McBurney and he is with me now on trainer talk presented by Phasing Tipton Pat Welcome to the show and congrats on that big win this weekend. Thank you Mike appreciate it. But that's a good horse isn't it? He's been lot of fun to be around. He was a bit of a handful as a three year old and we went ahead and gelded him and. Calmed down and turned into heck of a racehorse scores so It's amazing. The difference that that can make with a racehorse. We hear that a lot and people that are listening that might not be in tune. With, the way that trainers make those decisions. You. Know you look at horse and you say, okay, this horse has a lot of value. We don't really WANNA. Make that moving geld him because it takes being a stallion out of play. How Difficult Pat, can it be to make that call? It it is very difficult and and him being one of the partnership courses we always like to buy you know the colts or the phillies and pet agree probably in an awfully wild wasn't strong. them develop and see what kind of horses they're going to be. And it it became apparent in his three-year-old year he was having a good year but just in Jersey breads. It was just. A real I mean, we just fall apart in the paddock before raise where he would be dripping wet and like the beaten me and the jockey to try to get him up on them and everything. So the decision was made at that point he'd be a better racehorse as a gelding. So that's what we did it with him. Well, he's now one eight, two lifetime starts. He's earned I guess just over half a million dollars in his career and you know that has to be rewarding for you too. You have this New Jersey bread you know he has talent you make that call it turns out to be the right call, and now here he is with more than half a million dollars in earnings. Yeah he's been. He's been steady and solid every year he'll do her for dirt. He does prefer meyler further. But and when we when we picked in when he made the short-listed, the tipped October sale didn't even realize he was in New Jersey bread until one of the other members of the team pointed out. Oh, we come to Kentucky by New Jersey Bread so come a fun story with him for sure It yeah and it's been a fun ride E- is a grade three winner to listen that overlook that he took you to grade three success with that win in the Kent stakes back in two thousand, eighteen at Delaware that that had to be pretty special to. Yeah, that was a fantastic day at some of the owners were down at Delaware that day, and if to get a great win with him was fantastic. So. When you have a horse of this caliber pat and I know you've been around a lot of good horses in your career even when you were working with John and we'll talk more about that as we move throughout the the half hour here this morning but You take a look at. This who is so good who has so much talent has has had so much success. He hasn't won since August of last year he had kind of been struggling to get back to the winner's circle in it finally happens in the Irish war cry this weekend. What's that mean for a trainer? I mean, just just for the the owners to have faith in the horse and myself you know to let us have the program and delay output the. Jersey season Most of if not all my clients you know we we love racing bomb park in the summertime and especially this year with Cova did and got knowing what our situation was gonna be and having everything pushed back for forty five, sixty days. I mean just their faith in sticking with the program as you know for him to do that really paid off for us and look forward to a big second half of the year for the whole stable. Really so. We'll pat let's go back to the beginning because this show we'll talk about your top horses, but this show is as much about your horses as it is about you. So take me back to the beginning where did PAT McBurney I fall in love with horse racing. I guess had moved from was born in Philadelphia and we moved from Pennsylvania down to Maryland and the fellow who ended up in a solo trainer. Himself was my best friend in booey Maryland and his father would take us out to the racetrack on Saturdays afternoons at Louis Race Course and You know we just kind of fell in love of course, racing mainly trying to hit the last try at that time but And after high school feel catch the last couple of races over Louis and. From there turned into weekend jobs and summer jobs and just. Was Fortunate enough to meet. John Forbes who had a string big John. Tomorrow's horses at the time and was a force in Maryland racing. So I got surrounded by. You know when you're around forty plus horses every day you get to learn a lot more than if you're an five or ten more stable. So he just went on from being a hot locker room to form and work our way up so. A lot of fun and enjoy to day. You know. So many people myself included started like yourself pack going to the races betting horses trying to hit that Trifecta in the last race in the late double or whatever it is and eventually found their way into working in the sport. When did you know that you went to go from just being a fan to getting involved in the sport? Somehow Just almost ever since starting out walking horse in the morning, just love being around the race. And and then like you said, the puzzle of the handicapping game on top of it, I mean just the two things that is just so much excitement and. The links, sources themselves are fantastic. Be around like just watching a horse. You can tell when they start to feel good or acting good or training good and. And everything you you learn about the game whether bump leaving the starting gate just you know that adds to the puzzle of the afternoon racing. So yeah, just the whole everything from morning to. The last race of a day is a lot of fun in thoroughbred horse racing so was there ever a point in the early part of your journey? Pat when you were thinking about getting started you start walking hot? That you said. I don't know maybe there is something else out there. Maybe I do want to do something outside of horse racing. was there ever that moment for you? There really wasn't. It was probably. After my junior year of high school and I've been on the racetrack year where I thought that being a veterinarian would've been A. Wonderful Path to look on. In that then you but. Unfortunately. He'd let my grades slip that year like every. Every college applied to it did not look like that would pan out so You're just stuck with the racehorse end of it so. Yeah no regrets whatsoever. Yeah and it's worked out really really well for you. You're sitting here right now with almost three hundred career victories as a trainer, which I know has to mean a lot to you more than ten million dollars in career earnings according to Equa basis showing and that's a big deal in a multiple greatest stakes winning trainer Talk about some of the people, Pat and the things you learn from them along the way that helped you get to this point. I mean. If you go back to the very beginning at Louis race track and being a hot walker and then a groom and a couple of young guys like myself, Steve Brown and Games Paulie. Around the barn all day and and to his credit doctor Jimmy Stewart. Marion in Maryland. Save our bar until last and and more times than not. John. was there himself if we had a horse to look at? Dr Snow with liberty spend hours with. By showing us what he was seeing and what should be addressed on a thorough but a great scores you know whether it was a problem with it wasn't a problem just the overall health of horses so. Learning everything you ten. And it really comes down to I mean if you can get your voice good and healthy take care of physically he's GonNa. Go out there and perform theory in his. Early years of doing that and then following up in. Florida with Dr Ben Franklin. Did the same for John and I with signed an crumbs anything because they were prevalent with the calder cartons surface way back then I mean just the overall learning and you know just try like each tour trying to figure out what? To get them healthy, makes them half happy in the and performed for you. So yeah. Yeah and John Forbes I. At the introduction that he was eight New Jersey legend, there's no doubt about it. He trained before his retirement more than twenty one hundred winners. What may John. Forbes such a good trainer. One I guess. I mean this bad his father and mother both trainers you know. So he was from a long line of Maryland. And then it seemed like getting involved with. John. Really really got got him to be around large stable of horses and I think that's it the exposure to a large stable of horses and and John Fourth, would say, say about big John He was more than human. I mean he just he looks figure out and. It's just amazing. So. I was lucky to be around like I said, large stables of horses with to to that. You know like their main focus was. What makes this horses happy and healthy as he can be Taken from there then they go out and perform on the racetrack south. What was your first year with John? It had to be back around nineteen, seventy two or so nineteen seventy-three and Louis Maryland so. Yeah. boy what a ride that was and so many graded stakes winners came through that barn and you had the privilege to be around. So many of them who are some of the horses that when you think back on that time path that you're you're always gonNA. Remember. I mean, there was one horse was a particular favorite of mine and it was and he He was not a superstar by any means, but he was just a beautiful chestnut colt named like Ron Charles, and if you can imagine, you hear the stories forces have been warned he had the two lumps on his head like he had horns and he was just a a nice three or a little bit. We'd run two terms. But from there you go to speaking about voices being gilded get serious. As a three year old came out and was very fast with toward the end of his three year old season he literally would take thirty to forty minutes to get to the paddock. And at the end of his three-year-old year, the decision was made to Geld him. Well, it's first race as a four year old, at Mama, Park literally drug groom to the Paddock took to the turf course and went onto the the first over a million dollars per John Forbes so and run multiple multiple. Greatest fake races and is in the Mamas. Fame too little He was a lot of flooding of the best. The biggest name I got to be around with John was obviously killed the cat. And in that same partnership, there were a couple of Phillies Amarillo who won the Delaware Handicap I mean just Pay Course, after stay cooler. So was fun fun being involved in the Partnership And Win John Retired. A lot of the partners now are still with me and we have the partnerships going on so. You get to be around some nice pedigree, young. And the plan is if your show they have talent at three and four, we keep them if not then they go to the claiming races or retired depending on their level of ability. But yes, just a a wonderful. Way, to, keep young horses coming in Barton every year so. You know when I was looking back through all of the great stakes winners that came through John's operation, and of course, as I mentioned, you had a big hand in that There was one name I wasn't familiar with the name. So I went back and looked up the horse, but I thought the name cool. The name of the horses peanut butter on it tell me about that horse. Peanut butter on it was a chestnut gambling that we had claimed for a client I think for twenty five thousand and he also went on to win many stakes and yeah he was just a big need gelding and and couldn't have been more fun to be around and yeah, he was very Very precocious at monmouth Clark's they use a lot of fun to. Did it help when you ended up taking over after John Retired and I guess that's the way it went down. Right? You ended up taking over his operation pretty much and then and then moving on from there is that right? Correct Yeah Yeah Okay would you ended up taking over the operation? Does it help you now having been around so many good horses does that help a trainer when they when they finally take over and start doing it on their own? Yeah I think to be around nice horses but also us being the claiming operation. You know knowing what it takes to keep a horse sand and and feeling good. Yes. Like I said, the back I was always around forty or more staples, and at one time John had free springs forces I was in charge of one. Kind. And and back, then it was unheard of to have that many bushes now. Now they're screen as it has probably two or three times as many voices as we had back then but Just to see the numbers. and to be around forty four stable just shows you so much. So yeah. Talking we trainer Pat McBurney here on trainer talk presented by phase tipped of course that big win this past weekend Golden Brown and the Irish War Cry Handicap at Monmouth. That's just one of many big moments. He's been part of in his career and talking about John Forbes who he worked with for a long time You know there there's There's horsemen game and there are trainers in this game and and I've done the show long enough. Now Pat to realize that there's a difference between the two. There are true horsemen and I think when you look at a guy like John Forbes. You look at him as a horseman right you don't look at him a strictly just a trainer. Correct. Yeah. I, mean the way he was raised with the family and everything and and the work ethic of John Tomorrow Staples. was. John Forbes. John's own son John Tomorrow's a fourth I believe and yeah, I mean just the whole family was into horse racing. So And, you mentioned the claiming game and obviously acclaiming operation and keeping horses sound in how do you do that? Take me inside that. That's a whole different approach to training take me inside the claiming game and and your approach in your philosophy to being successful in that arena. I mean there, there are so many tools available nowadays that maybe we didn't have. But one of the main things going back to John Kamara was like marking the program he would have John Forbes and his son John Tomorrow and. His other Mike Tomorrow I mean their job would be to stand at the paddock all day and just mark the legs of every course in and spot potential clean gin you look at the leasing form. And there were a lot more levels back then of course, racing back then. But Big John's Kalafi, was you know it? Can only improve a racehorse if you can train them. If, you claim a sore horse, you can improve them because he can't take the training and I mean back then big John Tomorrow with Klay, Morse's, and they'd go on to win stake races. and. Yeah the whole philosophy of you know if. We had a bad mark on a horse within like California move. You know win lose or draw. There were no qualms about it. You just would move onto the next one because. He'd also say you know. If don't spend the money, you can't lose the money he said when you. said. If you're going to claim horse, you claim it that's your money you're spending so i. Prefer not to claim the horse that I hadn't seen, but we also have horses come in from all over the racetrack. So literally, when forces in a claiming race you have. Four or five minutes to make a decision watching them walk into the paddock before. At monmouth Park it's ten minutes. Once a clock goes ten minutes you can't drop the claim, slip some tracks. It's twelve, some tracks fifteen. So you literally had three to five minutes to make that decision on spending. Anywhere from five to fifty, thousand on a horse. So it helps it'd be a team that individual before and like I said, nowadays we go back we watch the replays you see. Changes leads how horse travels in a raise if you like that or not. So yeah, I mean the technology nowadays makes it easier and then you also have their numbers, rackets, numbers, buyer numbers I mean you you kind of know the level competition which maybe back in the day, you could really improve a horse because all this information wasn't available. But it's still A. Chess game like no trainer wants to lose a good person. Trainer was to claim to slow so. Yeah and you know you mentioned all the information that's out there now and the difference in the approach to claiming horses. Now, as opposed to back before you know we had replaced that kind of stuff and I guess, pat it similar to what we hear about with handicappers where there's so much information out there everybody has speed figures. Everybody has these these. Numbers that used to be reserved for just the the folks who really pay attention and you kinda almost bring everybody onto a more level playing field. It does it in some respects because there is so much information out there. Does it make the claiming game? Maybe even a little more I don't know if difficult right word or more competitive. Probably more competitive like you said. Mike. because. We all we all can access the same information I have I. Mean. There's there's That strictly rely on bill just drop the slip without looking at just. On. Form and numbers which you know you still need individual like. Me You don't want little scrawny three role because now this time of year, all the races are three up. So if the individual has you know just because, of course, ran a fast race once or twice. You need to think we'll develop and continue to do that like what the horse does today when I claim, it really doesn't matter to me. It's like the Horse Back to the barn is the Hor- sound and can I you know? Get divorced into a spot as long as sound and I can get them healthy and happy and and training how we want, and then we'll go out there and perform for you so. What do you consider to be the greatest claim you've ever made? I mean you mentioned peanut butter on it way back when we had a horse make a decision also won the ocean port. This is all John. Forbes. It seemed. It seemed like he could probably claim horses easier back. Then like I said, a lot of people weren't aware that you know if you claim the Horse for fifteen to twenty thousand and that was a lot of money back in the eighties and early nineties and a solid claim invoice could go through their lousy conditions and maybe even step up into the little stake races at that time and perform well. Nowadays. Most. Recently. I. Mean there's been more as. You know just. We have a horse named Tree Shaker who took very cheap and we just thought he would take the turf. and. He's been a lot of fun over the last couple of years. He's won four or five races. You know in the last two or three years and we turn them out every year and just keep them strictly on turf now. But It's just a little success like that. You know you turn around or you get your own during the winter circle and that that's the fun of the claiming game compared to whether you breed 'em or the yearlings we buy because like a yearling, you almost have to give them their whole two year old year where a claiming horse in two or three weeks the back in action. So yes, it depends on what the clients can. Pat McBurney with me here on trainer talk presented by phasing, Tipton tell me about a horse. By the name of just call Kenny I know he has to hold a special place in your heart. Kenny was tacitly bought him as. A yearling and he turned. On January. First of his three year, he want to stay race. At Gulfstream Park only because we couldn't get an allowance race to go for I'm going six furlongs and he went on to be Just. One Heck of a fund racehorse. He had his check in for minor injuries along the way but Always performed very well in super hard for us so. When I get a sense that he was going to be a special horse. Almost almost from day one Terry Gabriel go to the sales with us and break feelings in. folsom Louisiana thought that he was special and I mean, he was to this. Anyone saw him and he would walk in Paddock and he just was such A. Gorgeous look at race or is he caught everyone's eye and and he's from his very first breeze and everything he was just like. Here, the expression, a man among boys when he was a two year old, he won start. At monmouth Park, and then like I said, had a three year old year and then some setbacks but it's just always a special special. They're gonNA lose tried very hard to. And that big gray three win in. The IS LM stakes back in two thousand, seventeen, a special moment for you and for the team I know as the Islam one of the major races on the calendar every year at Monmouth Park. In New Jersey tell me about is getting ready for the show pat and I made it a point. We only have a few minutes left, but I made it a point to rate a that I had to ask you about this. Tell me about bluegrass mini golf course. So bluegrass mini golf a actually vision job before. The. Up at the top of the past, a quart upon and outside the track. At mom smart used to be kind of area where they would store expert equipment and movie thing than John. Just thought. To add a miniature golf course of the fantastic and why he got the idea like long on. After work and before fi time, I would go back in that area and there was enough food could chip coughing. Terrible, now for which I still to this day black practice and he will be a good place for a little miniature golf course. And you researched it and the company is ties to eighteen hole courses. Actually hosted the master's. Twice now for miniature golf and It's an international advanced, but it's just a gorgeous fun place and now. Now. There's the Blue Grotto restaurant like side there the beer garden underneath. Yeah family can spend a day there and have burgers pizzas and whatever and afterwards. So it's Just a fun fun area right across from the Racetrack and dad can. Actually from the garden and make it better to if he wishes. So yes. Very nice. Fantastic, there's actually a website. You can go to the Bluegrass, mini golf course website and I on there and I was looking at some of the holes and I had no idea that there were majors in mini golf and that there were actually professional mini golf players I didn't even know it existed. Neither. Did I till a couple of years ago. So yeah. Yeah, the other cool thing I read in the story was about the lawn jockey that's positioned on the eighteenth hole, the the home whole Do you know do you remember when talking about their with the lawn jockey and the colors of the lawn? Jackie. I know that there's a two of them up there. One has a dentist raisins. CELTS and the other has the Abo. Silks. Yup, but also each of the holder named after famous races up there too. So that's the plaques are there and you can read about their resources. It's very interesting. Pretty Cool I bet you never thought you'd be the inspiration for a mini golf course. Now. With my bad off game. Yeah Pretty Cool trainer Pat McBurney here on trainer talked, we have less than two minutes, pat. So I always like to end by asking a trainer to tell us something about him. Maybe we haven't touched on yet or a hobby that you might get into outside of horse racing any other interests that you have away from the race track what might be I mean I enjoy fresh water fishing and golf like I just mentioned. Had read where you know getting a little older for you when you try to keep your mind sharp. and honestly, I haven't been practicing the last year and a half but I had taken up the violin and I think we'll get back into that keep my fingers number and everything like that. So. Wow good for you. MULTI-TALENTED PAT McBurney here on the horse racing. Radio Network, and trainer talk presented by Phasing Tipton. Pat Listen. It's been a joy able to hear your story and to catch up with you for a little bit all the best moving forward and keep it rolling my friend. Thank you Mike appreciate it. You take. You to Patently Bernie here on trainer talk presented by Phasing Dip in. Yes. Some cool stuff there Interesting. That story about the golf course I just I had to bring that up at some point to because how many people can say that they were the inspiration for any kind of golf course mini golf otherwise. But Pat McBurney my thanks to him. It's trainer talk presented by Facebook Tipton on the horse racing radio network. While phasing, family? Basically. Some of the guys that work here I've known for thirty years. I just felt really supported and they're they're great communicators they tried to help in whatever you do. Phase Tipton has a sale for every market every segment in the industry. There's multiple opportunities for where you're going to have plenty of good buying and selling situations. 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Backup QB Stories Part 3: Trent Dilfer | Dual Threat With Ryen Russillo
"Yeah. What's up? Welcome to part three of our backup TV stories from dual threat and the ring. I'm your host Ryan russillo. And final two you were going to be great today. We have Trent Dilfer Super Bowl winner. And I'll admit before he became a guy. I'd like to call a friend. He was the life raft of arguments for people that would look at their team and say our teams. Doesn't agree quarterback? But we can still wanna Super Bowl. Look what the ravens did with Trent Dilfer. Well, Dilfer I think has a better career than some people realize actually finished over five hundred which is an all on him and his records. Incredible. Because of that great ravens team, and it was the greatest single defense. I've ever seen at least for one season. And yes, you can put the eighty five bears in there. But I just I was nine. So I didn't really it didn't really sink in with me as much as ten wait a minute little air there. We don't have to edit that one out Kyle because this is going to be such a good deal here from Dilfer his struggles as hotshot QB his struggles with coaches his struggles with himself personal tragedy. The animosity had to get over becoming best friends with a guy who's competing with as incredible story. I knew for a great storyteller. And he was terrific. Here's Trent Dilfer just excited to call this guy friend, and I'm really lucky actually throughout this entire backup quarterback series that we've run through here that. Have a personal relationship with most? But I'm very close to train deal for and I'm almost I feel like I need to apologize for introducing you as part of our backup qb stories because you start a heck of a lot more than some of the other guys that we've talked to. But let's go back to that time. You're Fresno your big kid beat USC in the bowl game. You're nineteen Ninety-three stats are incredible Ugo sixth overall in nineteen ninety four. Did you think down like I'm the man? And I'm about to light this league on fire. Beyond that. I mean sofa myself, so narcissistic at the time as I say a legend in my own mind, you know, at the time what we'd done in Fresno and the amount of dude by played with. I mean, you know, we had a bunch of dudes go and play that up a wide receiver running back. It just was easy. You know? So I figured well football's easy, then why wouldn't it be the next level? And then I think the biggest thing that happens is people start speaking nonsense in your life. You don't surround yourself on the truth Keller's, and I had people that is round myself with that were just telling me how great I was going to be and just della me, you know, sky's limit you, everyone the best ever, and I know not to believe him, right? Because I felt that way about myself, and they were telling me those things, and I was immature area mature. But I had that ability. You know to be the poser fake maturity, I bake this dictation, I could they kinda politician a deep down. I just insecure kid that was out over skis. But at the same time fought there's nothing I couldn't do often visible stamp when I laugh every year, we hear these combine numbers out. Great numbers are I mean, hourly trained for the combine two hundred and forty pounds rent or six something, and you know, I can squat whatever he asked me squat bench. Whatever asked me to bench. I get football every hour. Ours. Wanna throw it back? Then it was just more of the dude. He looks the part as much as anybody's ever looked at by won't. And then you weren't great and under. Love you. Understatement. That's understatement of your series. I bet. Yeah. So that might be the highlight of this wins awards. That'll be the transition because it wasn't taped just, you know, listening and knowing you, but despite the description of yourself, you're also one of the most honest people with yourself the most self deprecating, and so you come in and you start just a couple of games Sam Weiss. And then you start the full season your second year the splits were four touchdowns in eighteen picks. It wasn't great. And then your three you're on Dungy. The numbers are better. But it's still a pick fest. Where are you right now at this point in your head after three years in two different coaches going what the hell happened? One. It would never work. Now, you know what? I mean, you'd never get that long release. The closest I saw to me leash wise as Bortles Ricky or wasn't that bad rookie? There was hope you know, what? I mean. I was learning. Sam was really good about how to get me in gain competed. Well, learned a lot and that can when they traded Craig Erickson gave me the easily card. You're too was oh craft because I couldn't pose anymore. And I was the only one that knew that Craig it really been that mentor to me and been the one that's aired meet room, some of the trouble waters, your one and night and have often in Apple's. And and I'm here in Tampa. And I'm playing the part so outwardly looks like on the dude and inwardly. I'm like this. This is all bad. We weren't very good. I knew that. I'd better talent. And fresno. Every play than we did in Tampa. And we were brutally we were brutally slow as Paul, and I was very good. And I was and I say this all the time. I think I was a single worst football player in the NFL my second year, and they'll stacks aren't like, oh, you know, Ray wasn't that bad. Then it should have been works. If that's even comprehensible and in punt. Tony comes in your three. And it was just that betting Ordina to be patient. We're playing the long game. We've Bally's not just as a as a prospect your potential. They still Buddhas of talent. There still wasn't things. Like, there's nothing. I couldn't do on the football field physically and mentally. I was really good in by. So film caught up for memorization. I was excellent. There is transition into the white line. That must me up. And but Tony was like we're gonna work through this will play the long game or building around the run and defense and in gaining kinda third year growth opportunity, and I really did play pretty darn good at them my third year, which gave everybody a lot of hope going into my fourth year. And I was maturing. And I think that's the biggest thing was Tony. And that staffer men were doesn't get enough credit. How you know quite people that Tony surrounded himself, and Tony will tell you though are impactful as Tony he's in the hall of fame because of her mad works in quite Christians, and and money Qifan and rod Moore Nellie and lovey Smith. You know what? I mean. Those guys were made in the coacher of our program really changed under Tony. And it was that. I guess just like that XFL that calmness. That kinda poured. Out all over all of which Louis kicked off the ability to have the time was an ethics seizing for all of us ninety fourth year. Despite the three challenging years that fourth year was Trent Dilfer only proble but going into nineteen ninety eight he was still hearing the criticism, but he was sick of it. The recurrent criticism Bill for is that as mechanics are poor. He throws off the wrong foot. And it cannot throw the long ball with accuracy. That is something Trump does not accept to go back in time. And a lot of people don't realize when making college as one of the most mechanically-sound quarterbacks ever played position in college and many pro scouts and coaches said that about me, and then I took giant steps backwards might first few years mechanically. I got very sloppy habits and things that really affected my accuracy affecting my consistency. And last year if you remember that was one of the biggest things I worked on was. I'm getting back to the fundamentals. Did you feel like you were back? Did you feel like, hey, you know, what this career is gonna roll edgy bought all the way back in not just from the people that were looking at you in the huddle. But had you bought back into yourself. Yeah. Quote. Fiend for my life is often physically. And that was the first year of learning what the authentic tripe was who am I really not? What have I been told? I am not what have I tried to pretend to be not any other junk that we all deal with. And if you don't think you're doing your life yourself 'cause we all deal with it and some point your life as you mature you search recognize as not benthic you, and and I started being understand that. And and that's why they would be impossible eater. That's why they wanna get back to being a great competitor. I so was a great football player. Back a great competitor. You know, we we were able to overcome a lot of adversity. We're able not mention big moments where able to date the worst franchise football and bigger the playoffs. But I haven't seventeen year we had I think seven. Let's go to the Pro Bowl, we became a tribe. You know, more than a team we became a try. You know, it was really. And now I could go on and I don't want to eat up all our time. But the me if I decided to give being would be I found or I'd be and find my authentic though, and that just feel so many loon personal loans and wounds. I created with my teammates, and my coaching staff and the organization and fitting, I mean, the city hazy there once I got both of by doctor leading games in your to your three booed out of an outback steakhouse with my wife. Wait a minute. You got to get a steak with your wife and Tampa and they booed. They booed you. I've never told the story. I thought I thought I stayed on the last part. Yeah, we walk in. I think it was Green Bay. I think the details might be little off of lateness. These might be the last game of season for either bears powers, throw four pack. We go out back on the way home on Bill. Maybe my wife, and I put my name is the hostess ban. And now, it's just majority of the restaurants things from those. My wife, and I go right to the very middle of the restaurant. Can you put us in the middle place? So everybody can see us. There has to be. There was and I when Tampa fans listening this that yeah, I was one of them. And I don't blame them. Honestly, your four really healed a lot of that stuff and Tony taught us and twenty style, and I'm not trying to take Craig away from Tony. But it's really an again, please having on at some point asking this question. It was the strength of his tribe Mani and Connie and her and loving all those guys, and I'm leaving other ones out that just their calming in on us and their maturity in their wisdom became into every single day about being bro about handling our business. The right way about representing our steady. Our franchise ourselves our name and all those things really start taking taking the fire. So you end up going eight and that year after the playoff run where you beat Detroit. And then. You lose your job to Shaun king. And at first it's because the injury, and I went back and looked at some of the stuff, and it didn't matter if the numbers are similar just at that point. It was new and even though you'd con redeemed yourself a bit. Did it feel like there's not really much can do here after seven years in Tampa? It feels like the end especially now that I've lost my job. Yeah. Ninety eight the most disappointing here because we got Elaine for a lot of stuff. It was no fall. And now, the, you know, if you ask work on Mike all star jock raise bringing Ronel aunts and any day more, Paul Gruber. You know, you go down the list of we feel really disrespect. We felt like wait a second. The fall guy when we just gave up a two minute touchdown or where the fog, I when we speak with three hundred yards rushing to world of fog. That's when defense offense stuff crept in because the defense is always offended, and we were always befall got it. So ninety eight has some better than we all talk about this is no secret, which really led to a ninety nine. We're now I think internally they started moving on. Now, you know, also doing massive amount of money at the time at the end of ninety nine it's all these going on right now about hey, big up the players auction, right? It was that Berge of back there. I had a clause in my contract bed. The buy back the by a couple more years for massive number. And I think the economics of it was that. Well, we'd be much office of franchise if we went with a cheap quarterback instead of I think it would have made me one of the highest players football. If they would've bought back that thing and ninety nine ninety nine I played my Kayla any nine all you look to watch the film like anybody wants to talk about ninety nine he off game chief's game. You don't even go down the list after I got bench person stuff that wasn't, you know, necessarily in my opinion justified those last five games for both my collarbone, we give things authencity. We hadn't done shackles came off. We were more aggressive guys were making way, you know, we weren't playing in a in a cocoon. But once I broke my collarbone visions easy about. Point guys got a broken collarbone. He's already a ball rising bigger and damp, it's basics years, and he's going to do on the highest players and football and bring out on that say disagree with her decision from an economic standpoint. And that's kinda story Miami nine that never really gets old because I didn't want to be the I've matured enough at that point where I wasn't gonna like tell the real story. It was like, okay, cool. You never have women. I see. You're never gonna win. Because if you look up those defenses statistically just me is the fan. You know, we're almost the same age. And I'm sitting at home watching these games, and I was guilty of it too. Like, I couldn't breakdown film. I wish I could breakdown film better than the remedial level Matt now, but when it's that defense, they're never going to get blamed for it. So going back to even the ninety eight season, I think fifth and points against ninety nine it's third and points against so nobody's ever going to want to hear about any of the minutia of a why it's actually not always on you. And I'm not saying it's right or fair. But it's just what it is. That's why at the time and even now issuing more. But that's why I grown enough as a person and there's no winning. That is sad. Because I love these guys. I love the city and my wife mother city we had at the time by this point ninety nine. We'd have I should know my kids age we had three kids. We just both. You know, our dream home on the water and all these things, and it was it was a stabbing time. But one I was mature enough to totally get it. That's why there was no bitterness. And and that's why I went in to the next bar the story, maybe as competitively and emotionally sharp as I've ever been in my life up until the last seventy five so that leads us to the one season Baltimore after six years of the Tampa Bay bucks. It was one stop in Baltimore and unforgettable stop. But one dill for himself knew was gonna go his way. There's nothing more dramatic team to deal with the change of the quarterback position. In just add to hap- Brocker promise anything spectacular that all prepares hard as anybody in this label prepare and I'll play we'll play I never doubted that I would be the quarterback for that. I was on percent. Sure. That at some point. I would be the quarterback. The season that everybody talks about the season that before I knew you and everyone will talk about football team and say, well, hey, if Dilfer won a Super Bowl my team can win a Super Bowl too. And you show up. And we know that you weren't really screwing around as we just heard you felt like it was gonna be your job. What was that dynamic like now you're on to your second team? You're still young. Tony Banks is supposed to be the starter. But you didn't seem to think that that was the plan at all for you. And that's always a hard story to tell because I really liked donate respects on any place. Pretty darn good for a period of time doubt. I knew because now I'm fixtures that I'm a widened bet I'm not just that. I'm a widely bet based on the experience based on the pelts on the wall competitively, not physically competitively well respected amongst, you know, the community of the NFL, and I just knew football at this point was kinda win. The I just knew I knew more football than most people and I get this team. And I'm like, are you kidding me? I just can't run about defense's physically I've ever seen and this defense, I guess showed up through in amazing like I don't wanna do the comparison thing. But I knew within a week that this was a monster. And now I knew this for how do you win when one by the balls Abban? How do you win the locker room? How do you win relationship hard me win just the whole thing? And I'm like, this is a matter of time before I'm running the show, and I never do tone is just because I knew that I do how to win I knew how to compete. I knew how to lead. I know how to be a team made that needed when you have one of the unique five of the ball of all time. And I miss you interview Ray or over Natta rod what they're going to stay the same story. Which is we knew we were only gonna get better. We knew we had do that had a level of competitive Temperman toughness. Resolve football like you that was gonna be special some point we had a chemistry to that was second to none. So all these things start at enough. And when you're when you've been doing this awhile. While and you start getting things from thirty thousand feet, and you're always caught up in the minutia of life. It was very obvious that this was something that was gonna be special just a matter of time before all gel, and then we go on this five game stretch where you don't score a touchdown. It's only place four of them. I played last one. And now it's kinda like okay now the time where the great leaders the great competitors. The guys would true tree gret not book. Grete not podcast gret, real grip guys that know how to survive in a bunker. And that's what we have. And we all raised up and said this is ours we own this. Our coaches are on this are ownership is known as I that. He does know we all this. How are we gonna fix? And we think that run is really worth bringing up because I remember that year just watching football, and it was different than because he'd still didn't get to see everybody, even though the ticket did exist. I believe. Leave then and you just mentioned at five games that a touchdown. And you still you still won two of them twelve points. Fifteen and then you had three games in a row where it was three point six points and six points where you start in that game and that nine six loss against the Steelers. And here are the upcoming the eventual Super Bowl champions at five and four, but then you never lose another game. And you beat up on cincy. I looked at all these numbers you roll through the playoffs. We know the story we know that they won the Super Bowl, but two things I want you to listen to what is actually described during this highlight on the Stokely touchdown Billick compliment Stokely. The announcers rip Dilfer for his run in Tampa. And then Billick again complementing the call now to be fair. It might have been a great call against what they saw. And that's what they're talking about. But somehow still for all three cuts. Dilfer throw a deep down the middle. One a pass. One here in Tampa Bay ever like that was gorgeous. Paul you win a Super Bowl. And if you ever imagined winning a Super Bowl as a kid. I'm sure you probably imagine your role being different. But was at this odd Pulham asking. So I'm guessing so just correct me. But where the parts of it where you felt like, hey, can I just enjoy? And appreciate this more than it seems like the public almost wants to punish me for being the Super Bowl winning quarterback. Because of this defense it just in the moment as just an NFL fan. It felt like this weird dynamic where it was like the public didn't really want you to feel as embrace as we have with other quarterbacks have won the Super Bowl. But you're asked to post because I intuitively, I guess and just stanchly never heard any of it. A rental how I was living in rental home and always mills of my wife and four kids, you know, swimming, underwater and competing my butt off and have an injury being higher year, which I ended up having have gruesome type treatments for as called osteoarthritis Pugh wants to look it up where they had inject twelve. It's needles into my groin sockets and take my junk up against my stomach. So you could imagine the pain that was that was the treatment some playing the whole year with this. I can't get out of a chair that sound the Sam terrible, by the way on my God. I can tell this podcast Lincoln tell the story I can't plant in practice on certain days 'cause I'm in so much pain. You know, just life circus. I was so locked in. You know, everybody says win the moment. I was desperate to win them live every day of that second half of that season hours. Trying to win truly the moment. I was trying to get through the next. I was trying to get through the next five minutes of a meeting. I was trying to figure out the next lift we're gonna fake I can I strove visit me remember the desparation of trying to pick myself up emotionally every single day to give my teammate everything I had. And that's why there's that heap respect for my investment in that in that year because they all thought I mean, they saw warming up. How I couldn't bring my knees up to my hip they saw high couldn't do certain things yet come Sunday if forego everyday I can't help when a game. So there's a lot of bass stories ever told I never heard the house because of all that was I didn't watch watch lacrosse, the fall asleep also insomniac and lay on this couch. Downsizers rental house is I drove my wife. Nuts. Trying to Boston turn going to better unite and sit there, and what do you do in Maryland at one o'clock in the morning, you watch the crowd 'cause it's on point four seven. So I would sit there and watch the cost like those leap wake up rinse and repeat I never watched works center. I never watched any other news channel, I never read a publication. It wasn't. So after done to Disneyland winning the super that heard one of my best friends young if I step back all fifty. So like, I didn't know going on expensive bible. Maybe that was a better word the best. But and using trees survivable, and then you're in survival mode for your career. They don't bring you back the go with Elvis ker back. I know there was bitterness of Brian Billick head coach the time. I know since remedy Dak going back and looking at this stuff. But in that moment, I don't know if he's smoked you personally. What did he say to you? What did he say to your agent? Hey, you wanna Super Bowl, but we're going to go in another direction? Nate end. Well, and that's all Brian out on us. And and they would be wrong if they disputed the they didn't handle it out. The finest moment that on my quarterback coach coordinated deal friend. Call me on my way to SP's and going to represent a team at the speed and get a call me port that number three on their list. I free agent. I find a one year deal when I came. So I was free agent. And I kinda fend back visiting land. That there was a mayor them going on that wasn't good on my behalf. But at the point that in my life bother four just know been through a lotta fires just like it is what it is. You know, I'm gonna make the most of river happens and then not having on calls for your. I was their Perm like this McSherry mature market was that where my wife was that? What bag I had my bad my carry on. And hearing that you're not gonna believe this. And I don't agree with it. But this decision of and I have made that your member three, bud. John was one school back to number three. And I went I'm saying that the bag boys expected respect kind of football player away. But to be behind the die that I thought, and I've said that he knows. He knows never come up to me, the public ways community handed die because the game with the grit with office leadership that I think position need and demand and always exclude kicking them up. So wait a minute. You're still that weird with Elvis gir- back that it would be it might go down. If you guys ran into each other. You're the one if people remember, and he went on Cameron's they when I was actually get a real quarterback. And I happened to be watching. How mad were y'all? Still I I've let I've met met ninety nine percent of the stuff at my career ago. That's the one percent. All right. We'll try to book him as a guest if we ever get you on again. More from Trenton is second. But first are you looking for a high protein snack that is low in carbs checkout? Just the cheese made by family owned cheese company, Wisconsin where else would you want your cheese to come from just the cheese launched last year in his early top one hundred grocery product on Amazon as well as Amazon's choice for the Kito snacks. The idea came from a bunch of cheese heads were eating grilled cheese, sandwiches and felt the best parts for the crunchy pieces that had melted off the pan. So they decided to create a snack made from one hundred percent baked Wisconsin cheese each pack contains two bars eight grams of protein and less than one gram of carbs, plus their sugar free. Gluten free and shelf stable. 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Like real GM is sitting here ripping on an actual guy who's a free agent. And then you finally get to what Seattle in August. So that went on forever. Look, I'm not sitting here doing the the retrospective of legu- of this, great, Huby and your overlooked. But that's still felt so weird that it went on that long. What was that like? Fermi women in my career happened or not span mill brought me and a terrific, Angie city. And. He just told me how much you how good I thought I was and how much value I had as a player and just really did the father these thing. And then getting the Mike Holmgren, Mike Martz also called her not time come back up Kurt at the time the way and been my home, then call and it was it wasn't. You know, Amanda, Persian was my home. And he goes on never forget your pro day finest days I've ever seen. He goes. I've watched every part of your career never truly been on law and being able to play the position the way. It's deserved compla-. You've never been taught true true artistic office. And I wanna be the guy does that for you. Because I think you're special and I hadn't heard I was special long time. I and I show any told me just great for Hasselback. And he thought he was in combat a lot of on bar and all these different things. But he said you just trust me you trust me. And I'll get the most out of you. And it was the beginning of my renaissance on the football player slash football mind. Like, that's where when I get up and talk on the radio about something that most people can't comprehend in a, you know, football context or corvette context. The Genesis of all this learning was learning not just you my own but don't wall through Michael and e young Mike Holmgren and Joe Montana through Mike Holmgren and Brett Farr through my home and then studying on my own and really taking a massive leak dive into not just football. But the essence of how the position should be played at every level. Not just on the field at all. So I found a quote because you and Matt Hasselbeck didn't get along very well in the beginning. And I found a bunch of quotes, actually. So I'm sure this is all. I don't know how long the feud lasted, but we'll get to that. But in the beginning admits that he didn't like how much he threw around your faith. And that he admitted that he was sort of some punk from Boston. And he thought that you might have been phony. But here's the thing is is somebody that's associated with Massachusetts living in Boston myself. I mean, I don't feel real Boston guy. Although I think that's kind of what might we think everybody's fake. So that wasn't specific to you. And then the quote that you said about Matt I think after the fact, but did you say this to his face? Here's the quote, I told Matt the truth Dilfer said I told him you're not very good. You think you are? You're pretty you throw. Nice ball. You know, a lot of Brett farve regurgitated information. But you're not very good. He hated that. I mean, this is the getting of kinda my color phase in my life. Whereas this kinda done with the ASO's done with politics. I was done with you know, just white would take so long to get to the root of something. And I asked for my life. I throw my I myself people my life, oh minutes. I didn't wanna be I want. You poured on me anymore, and I had a deep d- love for Matt Sarah for 'cause I saw a young me and leading up to that. He also knew this about my job. That's bet you make it on the side thing, and you're just young enough and dumb enough a year on their tracks making all the mistakes I made and you don't have to learn from others mistakes. You can learn out. I mean, you can learn from other's mistakes. You don't have to make yourself. And that's when that comment came in. Let me tell you the truth where you're at. And let me you the one that helps you not making mistakes and actually be good and actually be authentic and actually be dude and play for dozens of years in this league. And and, you know, be everything you should be. And that's really that. So that's two thousand relationship wasn't great. But I think he began to trust me by the end of the year. Then they wanna cut him. I play great in two thousand four games. I start the whole thi wants me university of Washington stadium with chance to her Bill her, and I would go out on the sidelines and go, hey, man, I'm sorry. As waving the towel around there. Just just a bus this job. So, you know, loosen up the the vibe a little bit 'cause he was struggling. And then that season they gave they gave me the big contract that is a base and he's kind of cast out, but he had a massive go through his life. And we get we began a great connection. We became great friends are great backup are y things like friends are dear friends to this day matinee deal friends, but two thousand one was really need. Because it was it was this onyx. I don't have the worst explain it. But we both had to learn a ton about why the con about ourselves front about relationships and really both serve each other and the relationship Eappen greatly because he had to learn be a servant leader to me early on when he was her that are angry and breaking. And then I my Healy, and I'm out, and I just twelve million bucks. They I for my Kili 'cause my contracts on base in the Balkan making ton of money, and boom, I germ I feel I rush. My Healy now e comes in and I'm reading from an achilles and trying to him. So in a crazy via. Yeah. You would also hurt your in the preseason. And then you have the achilles. Because I don't I don't think maybe Seahawks fans, remember it. But I doubt many even hardcore NFL fans because this is just tough stuff to keep track of that you were going to beat out met like it was going to be your job again later on in the four years you were there. I don't know that we can ever tell the story Trent without. You know, one of the biggest challenges, I think anybody could ever face in that also is part of the connection with you. And Matt, and I just I always I've thought about how I want to ask this question that I know I'm gonna screw it up. But losing your son in two thousand three and still coming back to play football. And I'm sure the moments where you go what's the point at any of this? But then Matt being there for you. And I was just reading these stories where he would bring over Sega ninety four which I absolutely loved. You guys are still playing ninety four Sagan two thousand two and two thousand three and just stay up all night where you're still kind of competing for this job. You're going through this thing in it really felt like that was the moment where the competition stopped, and you just were there for each other and completely different ways. Special uniformly guy. I mean 'cause you answered part of it to the competition stuff about relationship and nothing football as two hundred sixty pounds of massive depression. I'm a bump of a month to move our second foul or son Trevor news by and a half of the time. All we're holding on by lead as family. I mean, we're Middle Eastern Ivy to make sure the three girls aren't devastated. The rest of life and drinking a bottle of wine at night. Just numb my self to go to bad my teammates. Cut down the memorial service. People reached out I've had awesome people around me couldn't have more support still massively depressed, and and that has hack, and I always on my mind equals one night. And. If you know every going say that you need off. But we need you. Areas. Now, he's the dude again, I mean, I'm not going to be able to play complication. I, you know, coming off a ruptured achilles. I didn't really have this day. I've had two hundred sixty pound haven't touched a way of football anything. And here he's saying this team can't survive without you. You need to get your asset. Curves that book. And the connection that we had to have him to do that. And it resonated with me. And I went to my wife. I said, I think he's like I need it. They need me. We can't finish right now. Unless we do this and d'oro credit like most any good thing. That's out the life. She full. She let me go. Now, I'm a handful amongst the move from the most van third so fun, but dorm room by myself trying spending my days kind of on elliptical by trying to way everybody's tiptoeing around me. They don't know what to say we didn't have the same services. Now Thurs, you know, sports, psychologists and mental health experts. So I'm trying to figure out depression on my own, and I'm crying myself asleep, and that here's their dorm room next door and the pollen storm with Ben, you know, sheep, Rockwall and mock art. And result. And he's got bigger Genesis ninety four plug in his life. He would spend all night and never snow. Here's the guys getting ready to have really coming out party and his team. He played good at the end of the year before you know, all good the ball back in Bill. I'm basing our relationships. They know this the good thing. And and he just showed me to this. I so people that not can take me off. I can take him off. But I jump in front of John Kamara without when she because of what he did for me and my family and. And I panicked cry. When I get the sport. But you know, I always say he thinks I badgered all these things he'll gone back. Traffic batteries storyteller. I'm not exaggerating a lot. I don't know if we would've I don't know if I was in a place where I could have done it any longer without that. And I think that's what shape so much who I am now. So I'm saying big in the connection time so big authenticity on so big a truth telling and so they're going to make faith, and it's on so big into things that are way way way treetop type that really matters in life because I experienced in the most raw level in that period of life. Like that was really well said, and it's a story that I would encourage a lot of people to read more about two and knowing getting to know you after the fact, and and knowing all these things, and how genuine they are. It's it's reason why I've always liked as much as I have. There's one or two more questions than I do wanna ask. And I'd like to make it a little lighter in that is as much fun as going home to San Francisco was and I know how important Alex Smith is to you. And even the arguments you and I've had about Alex Smith was Cleveland and even bigger fucking disaster than we knew from the outside. Oh, man. I actually my wife is is like the one thing we argue about all the types of this day. I thought it was great. I thought it was I have worked so hard in four to get back to being a good athlete again. And I was playing good quarterback down a scout team quarterback in the NFL, which you don't really know how good yard lost a of rust on a lot of baggage a lot of scarf issue. But man, I'm dealing in practice, and I not let it could get an I'm I'm on strong. I discovered you know, like Pilates or strains and movement patterns than this like pissing me on how the body supposed to move. And and if I have an I'm feeling knife over and looks me wondering prices you throw football as any person I've ever seen. Football. I mean, that's my Homebrew tone me back. I mean, it is just posted. And I'm like patient, maybe try to startle again. Right. But think about the narrative alone me bigger, the baggage and scar tissue in the NFL still calls around me like we just hold the story in allows forty minutes. I mean, but there there's so much more to it. And and here comes still savage knew me as a competitor Dumi as a player new me as a leader new intense. I hadn't Baltimore now. He's a GM and Cleveland, and he's like I need you to be the term I made up. He didn't use this turned at the soccer official land. Like you to be the guy comes in and change them, but Holzer 'cause you are wholesome shake and you're playing really good. I've talked to people watching and you played a couple of games this. You're not been banged up played really what like com- be that. Now, I couldn't have been more excited. I you know, I like climbing big like, I love you challenges. I want people saying I and I love, you know, being underdog and all that good stuff. And I'm like I were made for that. And I went there, and you you talked to Romeo Cornell and John Lott straight. Coats and full savage. We crushed that off these we did start to change a culture we played pretty darn good at I'm I got her. And then I, you know, just one more injury. You know, I've had a broken collarbone that I'll status Davis I've had structured back. I've had eleven separating shoulders. And now I hear my without attendant. And I try to the half horn. I try to play on it. I try to play on it. Now. And, you know, not every anybody, you know, pending issues like my city third kinda of out there. Another bill. And I'm sitting there going. Oh, my gosh, we whatever eight nine at I never member I've invested everything like back if you were supposed to go. I'm I thinking hope change culture, but I'm bomb, quiet and. But I like I love good connections with that group. And I valued that year. I'm wife right ball the trick. Like you said, but I actually I was juice by off season and that training camp. And I really believe if romancing hires different offense coordinator could've turned it around. Like nothing was brought down by one bad higher. Roll news doing the right thing. And that that thing was way different than the narrative around Cleveland has been up until last year. And again, I long winded way of saying that I actually I don't look at trait. San Francisco getting services was simply go home. Where I grew up my wreath now had been deep west coast routes 'cause I learned the secrets behind the veil for my own grin. Steve young. It always been nice mentor in my life. I want to be around him a wanna be run that community running lot white Clark in that group of guys that I grew up at Mari that it become friends. John Brody was a mentor mine, I wanna take his number retirement to honor have get him in the hall of fame. It became more about other stuff than planning. Never thought another snap in the NFL. I never thought Alex is gonna get hurt in my last year of getting meet Bill because he got hurt. But that was really just that. I. Wanted to get home. And and well. Will you play that season in two thousand seven thirty five and that's your last season. So the final question that I want to ask you is. I don't want thirty five year old Trent Dilfer advice. I want today's old Trent Dilfer advice. Could that Trent have given any advice to the twenty two year old rookie that would've made you a different player would have changed the path of your career? Are you doing something questions? Yeah. Yeah. I think so there's a way of giving by you don't tell people you connect with people. And that's the biggest manifests. There's phone coaching right now. A lot of people wanna tell you what you do right or wrong there. They're willing to connect with you. I think that stage in my life. I would've known to connect with twenty year old Trent before I told him what to do what not to do. And I'm living right now. Like, I got the flashy ring, and I'm the head coach and the little community and bash Bill, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I could probably always people to do whatever I want, and they would light up and do it for short period of time. That's the last thing I'm doing I'm trying to connect Agri person. I make I mean every person I mean, I'm trying to find connections in life. Once you connect with people when you understand their side of life. Now, you have to be a grace and mercy and now they know your offense. Whatever comes out later is. You're just trying to help them do their journey better. And I think that ain't just connected with me authentically life that I really would have received. I believe that. And I couldn't be happier for you at lips come in this whole story and how it's gone down. And I can't wait to see you guys compla-. This fall in Nashville. I'm gonna be manic. Awesome communities Osma kids off and never been more overwhelmed but more alive by like. So I think all my life story kind of led to this moments. And and. It's just been really cool lifestyle school as we know. And I'm gonna really cool seat number right now. Thanks as always Trent thought you soon. What did I tell you? I told you Trent Dilfer is going gonna be awesome. You know else is gonna be awesome. Josh mccown and tease at one for the second. But just remind you that if you're looking for a high protein snack, that's low in carbs in isn't the usual, boring beef, jerky or nuts checkout. Just the cheese one pack has two bars that are kind of like crunchy bars, except they're made of one hundred percent cheese. Plus, they contain eight grams of protein less than one gram carbs and their sugar free and gluten free. So you're working out. Hey, do you wanna snack? You wanna shake now? 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I think so so people keep giving me cool shit. Yes take me this mushroom dried mushroom. People give me all this cool shit and so I go. Oh thank you and then I don't know where to put a Senate. Dan ackroyd vodka in the corner. There Air Cool Skull Vodka. Thank God I've never seen someone. Push Vodka so hard on a Polish. He goes hardened paint with this podcast sales promotions very smooth. And it's Dan Ackroyd say like I'll via just to let I want to hear you talk whose brother I'm in dude. Come on man. He was a cone head. He's he's one of the original Saturday night. Live slayers layers like the real. Oh Gee what brothers. Blues Brother's yeah. Hey we started this podcast off talking off the record and I thought it was probably good for everybody here like when I'm so happy you're not fighting and what we're saying. I know that I was a Dick to you to get you to stop doing it. But I felt felt like there was almost no other way that you were GonNa let I felt like I felt scared. I've seen too many people that are just. There's this there's a moment where it changes with a stop being that person and they keep fighting and you see see you see the deterioration and no one steps in and no one stops them and then taught you'll talk to him alone man. Maybe run Newman Vegas. Maybe you both have a couple of drinks each other at the bar and you're like hey how's things and you have these conversations and then the reality sets in things are not good for a lot of these guys. Allow these guys taken punishment for too long. There's no bringing him back man they get to this spot where you know. Everyone knows there's something wrong and no one says anything to them and I was real scared that that was gonNA happen to you. I was real scared. You know like I didn't anticipate when we do that crazy. PODCAST that wound up being this like intervention. I didn't even know I was GonNa do it while it was happening. I was like I this. You GotTa Stop Stop. That's always thinking you've gotta get. I was a little high. But we're GONNA I don't even remember if he would probably wear but remember being so sensitive live to it. There's something has to be done like now. You kind of you had so many other possibilities that there's if like most guys that are all all in on fighting they don't have anything on the side like there's almost nothing else there there's almost just fighting and maybe a family right but you were you were starting to flourish moorish. You're hilarious on podcast. What can go away being guys come shells and man I it right? Oh Dow that you're out you you see it right yeah thank thank God or whoever's up there man for you and Brian Cowen thank fucking I no. It came out dickey. I know it did and I know I apologize and apologize now but I think he could do it. I WANNA listen. I knew you had this pride I'd like you were like we were talking about before the show. Your top ten professional heavyweight in the biggest organization the world. That's a that's a identity thing the two men that you people get strapped into that identity. It's one of the harder things about fighters is when you quit. You have to find meaning in your life like what what are you you good at now but dude for me I know I never did anything professionally but it was the formative stages of my life where the only thing that gave me any feelings of good was martial arts feel like a loser the only thing the only thing everything else that felt good drawing but even then my drawing teacher. She didn't like me. I had friends that I was close within the class. We all drew and we liked our stuff but man I felt like a fucking loser except for martial arts so when I quit and then I'm just doing comedy I suck at comedy I was eating shit and I was like what am quitting for quitting something that I was good at to be something that I suck at. It may be thinking I have this pipe dream that could eventually making a living out of. I remember that feeling of not having an identity and obviously when you're twenty one no one has an identity anyway away you're always so fucking confusion your head trying to figure it out. I was super fortunate where I was surrounded by guys. Like you Callin- Burt Tom. And it's just like where the I wanted to be in that party I was. I was so fortunate I see the stars Aligned for me where I was at this party over here guys we're getting CT and fighting and it's fucking grind and then you guys are over here Mike while I wanna be one of them. I'm good man. I'm good I want to do that. And I think it took doc that bridging that gap you to be honest I think that would. That's the only way that you could have done it because the the ego that I had at the time especially the fighting men that level it was like that Egos insane the narcissist and the the dream of I can beat Kane or St Bay. These guys and I think the only way that I could bridge. That gap is by going so hard in the paint. I was so scared about in Gano associated. They're going to fight you within Ghana or someone like that. You know what I mean. I was so scared you were going to get marked by some some when you weren't all in anymore. Those big fucking when when you watch like when when Francis murked ovary with that leftover cut Jesus Christ of that was you and I was calling that fight right man. It'd be an I love ouster. He's a great guy. I have a deep appreciation for him as a fighter. Oh yeah and my feeling was when he came mm-hmm over k one Grand Prix champion. This celebrated striker we've ever had in saw in his fight with brock listener phenomenon. Dude he people doc one of the things that makes have Francis. Ko So fucking craze insane. I mean he did the same thing to junior dos. Santos remember over him. Did he hit him with a beautiful left. Hooks very similar. Punch super worried about that with you man but I also I also think too for me. It was like this quick but ascension into into this and I'm fighting these top ten top fifteen guys. I'm in this I'm in this world but it's like almost like a cheat code because I was really athletic has really really athletic with my background so I got a pass. A Lotta guys fast. Math lettuces them. But then you get to a certain point where fighting these vets. They've they fought big powerful athletic guys before but then it comes down to experience and technique. And that's always always GonNa win nine times ten. That's it's always gonNA win. The thing is about striking to striking when you mix them with wrestling you can kind of get away with a lot more a lot. More crazy shit happens. People knocked people out that maybe would knock people out normally Kevin Random. It was an amazing example that he knocked out Mirko Cro cop with a left hook during the street kickboxing match. It's definitely possible. The Kevin could do that. Kevin was an incredible athlete. But you would favor heavily that Mirko would be able to stuff that all day all day most likely because he was so elite in that realm but you add striking to 'em may and you know there's like there's so much craziness going on that. Sometimes it's hard for people to clearly establish Dabbler like who's actually better on their feet until someone can stop the craziness that there's a line. Yeah and then you get to this level this level we get like a monster doll. He's is a perfect example because he's so God damn good. He's so smart so technical and he finds these openings. That may be other people. Don't see or maybe they you can't get to where those openings are and he finds so you think you're doing good you think you're doing he's waiting. He's waiting for the moment where he sees the spot that he's been looking at and Bom ooh him. He Cracks Darren till with that step in left hook and puts them out. You fucking animal like Darren till now cold come on. I think John's one of those guys like we kind of because of his last few opponents ruins God. Maybe he's always. Let's watch I go. Oh He's playing with food. He's playing with his food and it's not I'm not disrespect affect those guys who is fodder dominic. Reyes who's GONNA fight but for John You look at his legacy in the legends. That he's fought. It's tough to get up for the challenge. So he's playing with his food right now. Well wait till he fights. I'm telling you wait till he goes the heavyweight. You're going to see the old John when he when when there's actual where he thinks it's a challenge. Wait till Huseyin fight a steep Air Francis. You're GONNA see the the monster come out just picking with this food. I'll do that all right. L. Let's do it. I think I think he's in cruise control. I think you're entirely early correct. And I think when you are at that elite level when you've never been defeated one loss it's a bullshit loss. Everybody knows that bullshit loss. He's really should get his record. Clean sheet something something you mean. It cleared him with this whole peak. Graham Shit the found out that this is we just have this new ability to measure substances in the most miniscule. You'll amounts that. It's so ridiculous that just some random sort of vitamin that has some contaminant one one millionth of a fucking grammar. Whatever the hell it does Dick Piano protein while the shit test positive? That's not a drug. It's not like someone's cheating it's just cleared him on that right. You saw it makes this whole statement about the new way. They're viewing this stuff because the fact they're equipments just amazing. You can't hide from them. I liked that you saw it went. Yeah it's so good it's because because we're we're going to back off Yup and learn from it I love it. I love that. They did the same with marijuana. They realized that we we're not dealing with a performance enhancer. So long as these guys aren't fighting. Hi this is helping them sleep and relax not hurt. It's not helping anybody in terms of not making them stronger faster so it might help them with anxiety and a lot of other things so they they. They released that. They're doing good things but with John. It's cleared that he wasn't taking anything some some shit that's a residual like arrested. Do that's on something else and contaminated supplement. Same thing would happen with Tim. Means to means got busted the same way they drag it out with him for months when he was at its peak. It really is peaking in the UFC. He's one of the most interesting welterweight all of a sudden boom. He gets suspension from tainted supplements. You look at the ice thought fucking steroid you. How about Tom Lawlor? Yes career Josh Barnett. I know same. People are upset but we don't look like we're trying to move forward and get better. It sucks for those guys and I I feel so terrible for this guy's perview Saudi like our bat. We learn though man. There's nothing you saw has a long career. You know when you got a a guy like tim means or garlic There's a window will. Josh has had an extremely long window obviously youngest ever. UFC heavyweight champion the longest But that extremely long window I mean it's it's going to come to a close and they took away a large chunk of in for something that turned out to not be accurate. But they're gonNA last long time with these guys like they say at like at their peak the best fighters have nine years at their peak dot the longtime too long time. The only guys really hit that nine year stride at peak form I think Anderson Fade. Or there's a few real legends. GSP OBVIOUSLY SP Jason John. Obviously right. John is undefeated undefeated right now. I mean they took his title away. Wins it back. Never never lost title fight. And you're dealing with the guy wins. The title youngest ever in the sport flying the opener on Shogun headed just nothing but success since then people like inspecting him with Mike Spikes expecting him to fall off. You're dealing with the go-to mets hilarious. He's the goat and even after the Santos fine my consensus at one leg. So I went back and watched John Jones fight. And you watch you like. Oh He's in Kikkan and give two who fucks about being in the right now but he was smart too smart. It's dangerous but at the same time he could've took him down his coaches dude manager like we were like dude. You'd take him down he's like now. I'M GONNA stand with this one. It's hard for me to see because you look at the resume of guys he's beat and then they're like again. It's not an economic doc and Democrats. Now Knock on Cranston or Anthony Smith. But here's Anthony Smith and Johnson all right. Yeah let's do it man so you know that he's fucking with his food right now. Well he's so good but he still able to fight the Gustafsen fight. The early on the first one was a perfect example of him. I'm falling into a trap right partying. Too Hard. Didn't train train for two weeks or barely right camp was like they were saying what. What do we do here? He goes out in guts. It out wins in the stretch winds down the stretch like he had to be pushed to wind down the stretch then training for that fight. I'm talking the Best I've ever seen in the training room. I was like magic. Oh this guy's never gonNA lose. Oh He's the best I've ever seen. Hewitt's spar five rounds with me then jump in with a heavyweight professional boxer and fuck him up five five five five. beat the Fuck Outta me. And I'm like what he's never gonNA lose John. Didn't you understand Dan. David trained entering the distance and one down the stretch one down. Stretch gutted it out that an Guston's the best light heavyweight of all time if he was in a different era and there's no John Jones he's the goat but you sad to say that's how good he is. He's the goat if those two fucking guys aren't there right close this close good the first fight yes within the second fight. John's runs over because John took it serious and I wanted to prove he's good. Check this out how about the DC fight all right beach indecision. That's cool back boom head kit and not just a head kicked head kick on the cyber. DC said you're not gonNA trick me into leaning towards my right where you can hit me with. That left kick like they actually had a conversation about it that goat. Here's here's what's this is. Light heavyweight is so I was I just wish John Dipak you guys. Do you think build the do not no. No no no no. I like what he's doing. Well he's defendant at sure sure. But here's here's the thing he. He's not stimulated by that he's talking shit to the middleweight champion. The world busy talking shit too is Israel's talking shit to him too that's they're having a lot of entertaining. Yeah they're having a lot of fun. I listen ultimately. I think it's good for everybody. I think that's the little feud between Izzy and John. Jones first of all elevates because all these people that didn't know who he was like. Why is John Jones Talking Shit? Oh look at this month of Shit. He's good and then they watch his fight to go. This is why hi John Jones Takeshita because he's starched Robert Whitaker. Basically the end of the first round the fight was over over me. Robert Whitaker was Fox Ville and is due in social media. He's he's good everywhere. How about this is great guy? The best he's a great guy level land honest faulk learn some. I'm twenty s when he told me that I give them a hug. I was so excited for him. I thought it was a car. Guy Goes He'll be announcement. I spotted because it looked like this anime character. Right Eh got the right car. Is it on the right side. I when I know a car is awesome. But it's GonNa Steering Wheel on the wrong side of Mike. I get away from me I so this incredible Porsche. Nineteen seventy-two are asked but it had the steering wheel on the right hand side of my cat Outta here with that car. It was on the wrong side. What's crazy is is? He told me they actually offered the fight tomorrow. Do you know that she's and he went. Smart he's smart because he went on. And you'RE GONNA Canal. Oh me fully may with helme. You're trying to get me while I'm really young in the game. No no no. We're doing two years. We're doing two years in Vegas. Yeah is he the twentieth. That's beautiful car man. One the other day they sound good to the spaceship inside They're beautiful man. That's a beautiful beautiful car. Great fucking. He's special man I think he's going to be the next big superstar really do got everything going for him. Talent great personality. He's fun fun. I mean He. He fights with as much skill as we've ever seen a striker I mean he's Anderson Silva two point. Oh he really is man his striking's out of this fucking world man. But he has all the skills Anderson had but he's amazing on the Mike Terrible in the well and the fun of it though. Those almost like well don't talk. He was so good. Didn't matter agree like Anderson was so good. It didn't matter if we didn't understand. We said everybody loved him and because he was it was like the Go-to at the time. Also but also the game's different now so much of spectrum. Entertainment answer still be Anderson but it was different back then were you. Wear more are appreciative of those guys. I feel like I don't know maybe. The Fan base understood the sport. More 'cause like Jesse was huge Shit talker Anderson Silva not a great I should like. We'd love those. CAIN Velasquez Terrible. Tom Never Talk Shit. Yup Yup. GSP's perfect example. Nothing but nice always never talk shit now. Never Max Holloway Meantime Max talk a little shit but it's more playful. Guess we'll see we'll see but stopping or really didn't talk shit unless you if you initiate it game match. Oh it's a it's a devastator and he's good at it eighty so he likes people John Jones going back and forth. It's kind of fucking care. Both of them. It's great for for Izzy because if John is that concerned about him. Everybody's somebody's gotTa realize that This guy is for real and I always say I wouldn't entertain it when people bring it up. Is he too small. It's just fucking it's nothing it's like bigfoot. Whenever GonNa see it getting the big difference is he's fucking big men? When he walked up? I met him for when you walk the Damn Dude. You're not small. No but he's he's only about two hundred or so pounds like two. Oh five somewhere to three. I think yeah. Isn't that range. John's probably two thirty five right now. Right and and John has two brothers that are elite. NFL athletes prolonged me Bro. He comes from fantastic genetics. I mean he's just got super athlete. Family they're just huge is different big like. Could you see Izzy as a heavyweight. I don't know could he would be overblown. It'd be too hard for him to deal with the really big guys. They swear it's going to happen though. Is He loves it. He says. Go Up to heavyweight the John Jones is he's going to go up go up to. He's down for what he's like. I don't care man. He doesn't care he's so good. Technically I mean who knows man. Maybe he's doing. Specific kinds of training keeps his body light and maybe if he lifted weights to actually get better. The one thing that would worry me about that fight and I'd be rooting hard for his the in that fight but the only thing that worries me is John's wrestling. Oem Forget how could remarked account DC. He he just wanted to make a point first round so if he wants to play that game play it but John can do everything and what he does one thing. He does better than anybody. It's ever ever fought utilize distance. He utilizes distance better than anybody. He's the very best to keeping you here and a lot of people accused him of poking people in the is is there have been some incidents. I don't think he's doing it on purpose. I think and I agree with you. He shouldn't do this but what I'm saying is the way his style list. He keeps you out here and then Bang keeps you out here. Back to the lego bleak kick leg kick popsy with a jab. Hits you with a knee keeps you. It keeps here. He's always Anton feeling out like a snake's tongue. Yeah he's got space like this much space he could fuck you up but you can't hit him. He's got this because he's he's also he's so comfortable in world championship fights he said nothing but world championships jess. So when you're at the top of the food chain with the bright lights main event and you're like Holy Shit. This is the big one. John's like this is a fight all his fight another day another day. Tyson was when Tyson was crushing people. That's how Anderson was when Anderson was crushing. People Thrive in the light. And they get to this point where your you have to be so much better to beat them because your shit in your pants going in your compromise and you're fighting guy who's the peak. He's in the zone. I mean Anderson like when he fought Stephan Bonner in Brazil. Remember that Shit Dude. He was in the zone own man when he fucked up forrest Griffin. He was in the zone. There was this zone where Anastos when front cake vetoing the face. There was Anderson for a few years. It was like Holy Shit genuinely funny people forget we forget. It's hard when you look at it. Retroactively you've got to go back and understand the times we're living we're talking about two thousand five thousand six do remember when he first came on like we knew ovum. Pride if you're hardcore but you didn't know like how good he is and then they go. Hey Chris Lebron we got something for you Christine. Because I'll L. fight him that NOGGIN. That heads tape punches and fucking Anderson lit that dude up. You're like what the fuck is happening right now. I have friends who have been on fights and that was one of them. Listen to me back at the House on the Brazilian. I mean bet the House. How about showed him tiny you? It's GonNa keep going crazy. He was he was fighting over in cage warriors. I remember when he fought Rivera and cage warriors. Let jorges punch him in the face. Oh all right let me and stood right in front of me. Let them punch him in the face. Let them punch FAC- smiles Adam. Kicks his ass and stop some dude. He fucked everybody up over there when he fucked up blee Murray. Mary was Merkin. People with one punch you'll forget to Murray was that guy could crack relevant horrible. Yeah Rob a lot of banks in jail for life son. All they gave him life always going to be in there forever. They didn't even know where the money is missing. Like fifty million dollars hours. It's God Damned Guy Ritchie movie. Now isn't Guy Ritchie making a movie about that on the very. Here's a little people know. Lee Murray came into prominence. That's because he got in a street fight with Tito Ortiz Chocolate L.. was there with chuck. Didn't fight him though right. Not But the rumor is is Lee. Murray Starch Start Tito will hit him. Yeah I knew that he hit him but I think Tito had not making excuses for anybody but I think what I heard. His Tito had like dress shoes on. I talked to chuck about it. And he goes his known got knocked out. It was a scuffle in the we separate. He was chuck hates Tito years. But I'm not GonNa Right. Spread the rumor. He didn't get knocked out. I heard you got punched. Tito's this weekend by the way who's he fighting. Some guy who got we're masking got destroyed by Croak up. Oh that guy that guy all out. But I'm going to wear down under the mask dude. It's like a movie or it's a horror movie hormone get that Dose Caro's go get the Ko from Mirko versus Dole's Carl's Mirko hits. Them with left kicks cemetery right to the fucking dome and when the dude goes out as Z.. Slumps blood is dripping out. The inside of the master crosses horrible. It's like if you're GONNA have Tarantino film this. Come on Bro. Come on the blood dripping down get asked watch this fucking first of all. The Japanese people are so mean. Here it is when he gets them up against the corner is when he lands us let let it roll. Oh here a little bit. He cracks him a few times just to let them know wrestler making a huge mistake. You fucked up so bad because this has no business being in there and Mirko at the time time is the peak. He's the best kickboxer we had ever seen in a sport at that time in the heavyweight division this is like ouster was still not ouster back then he had had made it Mirko was the first. He was the first real k one superstar because he was explosive. Like a lot of the guys that are. Who's maybe Peter Erz? They maybe wouldn't have made the transition. When we marco did Mirko was like that side one shot paying now watching the close up on him Washington closing on me? See the blood to come on bitch. Where's your mask? ooh Out these folks the the Mascot Caro's bar open and make up the blood part. I don't I think did know Blake comes out when they're trying to get it off. Yeah okay so when they go back to the dude okay. There's blood but let me see where the blood comes out of the. Don't they show it dripping. Maybe I saw it on a photo. It's hard to I remember seeing it too but it might be one of those things like the Barron Steen. Gene bears where everybody remembers it wrong right now. The God blood there. There's obviously some bleeding his head because they're cleaning it up but I remember I remember seeing him slumped and then the blood trickles down the Guy Thinking fighting. I had that Sherbet Japanese. Okay fuck it. What was he thinking? Oh man dude food since the this idea they can just do it. Oh it'll be fine. Oh what's the big deal. Mirko fight before. Oh my God dude you knocked back out. I know that haters just kicked kiss his ass. Brennan knocked him out. Yeah man he he had a US still doing the damn thing to row his of Vanderlei Silva is one of the most horrific in the sport the best because that was two fights his his won his first fight with mixed martial arts. Rules like modified rules member. You can only go to the ground for like X.. Amount of seconds some weird rule and if it went to the distance it would be a draw so the fight I went to the distance so then after that Mirco has a series of fights with high level competition it gets way better at sprawling also brings Dean lister into his camp for doom as well for doom So he gets real comfortable with Jitsu. Real comfortable grappling is working with these elite guys powerful wrestlers the whole deal then they have the second fight. The second fights in the heavyweight tournament van delays on all the Mexicans. I love that man. That's the best way to find that Burto Cro cop versus Vandal Enderle Silva to. It's a great fight and got bigger than CRO COP Vanderli. If I remember correctly I may be wrong. But I think I'm right Vanderli to eighteen and and CRO COP lead to fourteen Vandeweghe was actually heavy eventually of pure Brazilians. Right about that. If I really those numbers great great mind Vanderlei Silva we had an issue so why why were talking. It was at the whole thing. Go down or just the TV's Vanderlei Silva vs Mirko Cro cop too too because in that one that one Mirko was fully comfortable with with MMA. He wasn't getting taken down. News Vanity wasn't arrested done on. Offense was insane. He wasn't worried about being submitted because he'd been training with Dean lister and breezy overdue. Him So he's just smart. Send in missiles. He's the one who got resume into pride. In Indiana brought for Doumen Four jetsons victims. Like I was kind of cool. Wow that's crazy that's right. That's right before Verdun fought fought junior dos Santos member. No one who does Santos was and I think it was like a late minute. Substitute has yeah. Yeah and junior hit him with the upper go see. This is the second fighting the second five van delay is facing a completely different animal. Because look at that shakes off Cro. Cop was physically strong as fuck. He was moving a real. MMA fighter who's also elite kickboxer. It was a different animal. He'll be like dude. You weren't submitting. He's been rolling for BBC over doom. So he he lets him mom and he just battering straight left hand boom boom before the KO. It's horrific right. He's beating the shit out of Andrew. And Bree van delays supposed to be fighting one eighty-five. That's his real weight class. He's just bulked up and you just can't hang with a guy that's this fucking good as a heavyweight and so then Vandeweghe gets up. Give them a yellow kick to the body and then sets up the big high kick to the head man. He's swinging swinging for. He's swinging for the fences. Eh but do that fucking left kick to the forums right there. Just numbed his arms go ahead kick back up to the kick to the body back up before that watches kick to the body because you Z.. Vandellas arms you don't WanNa do gets Shin slammed into the arms. They have this like like. Oh look at that one right. Yeah Oh my God dude. I mean. He slammed it's hitting forum and Gut. And here's the high kick poem so you eat a couple of those to your body or to your to your arms arms. Everything just goes off. Everything is fucked up now and then he hit someone that high kick. Well shut out the crow shelter. Cro Cop like hospital left lakes. Yeah Yeah Dude. That was a perfect example of pride at its peak. You WanNa know how cocky. I was on a fighter when we came out. You know the first thing I did I through a heike get GROCOTT head. Kick any blocked in smiled like US functioning just hilarious dude about fucking cowboy connor. That's very good fight. Overdue time for it to me to agree are like how cowboys cowboys fighting. Now he's so calm and relaxed. He's lost last two but yeah they were to the top. You know top of the heap. Yeah I mean he fought Geeky. Who I the scariest fucking guy in the division right now? He scares me because gauges like he's he's on a suicide mission. It's like either. He's he's GonNa go or you're going to go and a lot of people say that. But they don't really mean agree he fucking means and he's backed off of that a hair. So he's we still controlled wildness as a Bra. He does not like it. I don't think he necessarily is I think what he is. He's just he's wild. But its intelligent intelligent controlled chaos. It's better than ever and he has a great channel wrestling. Did those fights were didn't go his way because of the chaos awesome. I think he's just making him be just a little bit. More calculated agree just a little bit me. Cerebral fucked up Barboza was like Jesus. Here's here's the thing because I thought there gauges kind of left out in the cold with all these matchups be announced with could be Tony. Connor Cowboy could be kind of left. Our he's just like all right the funk we do now man yeah gauge is a little bit left out in the cold but beaver gauge. You said gauging then you said it could be. I know what you meant. Yeah I get gauge is a little bit left out but if anybody gets injured he's right in there. See we're in this weird place where we're pretending these fights are all going to happen. We hope we hope and pray. Don't they can beep even Tony. We hope and pray that cowboy and connor actually make it to the dance but they might not make it to dance the dance guess who gets a phone call just engaging gauging or Muslim or Mazda Mazda's one seventy he's saying for connor converse cowboys at welterweight deaths. which when it was I announced I was like Oh at fifty five? And that's a tough fight for cowboys slow-starter connors a Finnish comes out the gates. I get fucking Bandy and then my brother takes me in this man you know. It's at wealth railway. Yeah well fuck. Would they do that because Canada's want to lose any weight I think that guy tortured himself to get down forty five so hard and and when you look at what he looked like when he was on the scale when he's flexing you looked Goddamn. Zombie skeleton is horrible. So I think you don't nobody you whether he complains or not about that. Nobody rides for free. You do that to your body for a couple of years you doing some fucking damage and it makes it harder to lose the weight afterwards right. So then he's going up to fifty five he's he's you know he's obviously elite at fifty five win a title at fifty-five has the the great rematch with Da. Seventy right and then comes back in fights Kabaeva fifty five again and gets mauled hauled. You'll he has a fight with cowboy. You'RE GONNA. He's really a fifty five or that. Ken Fight Welterweight. That's the right size for him versus. I don't think nate is fighting fifty five any time in the future now. Too Big now. He's too big but Miley issue with at seventy. I assume his team decided to do it. At seventy seventy is when I look at Kama. Gaza welterweight is his power. The same as it was forty. Five and fifty five is his timing the same as speed no fighting getting a guy who I think in his eyes. He's not really a well to it. You think a fifty five or fifty five because you think he I think he thinks of cowboy as the guy who fight at one seventy but he's really a fifty five. That's fair my only issue with that is and I'm a huge fan. I'll see Surani's a A friend friend of mine so I just wanted to have a great fight but when people were complaining about this fight went the Internet's like ats. Whatever to me? I think it's phenomenal fight. Because I think think if you're a cowboy fan you know I always said cowboys too much of a companyman. The UFC endangered cut. Wait dude fight this fight. Do this quick turnaround right cowboy. The the legend of cowboys born. He's jumping off fucking ships. And whatever the Hell priding fucking bulls and whatever. The fuck is doing the week other fight. And he's killed himself to make wait and I just went. Does it ever work out for anybody. Who says who's a yes man to the UFC not really? But now we've seen it's worked out for cowboy because this is his you know i. Ah I don't put too much into titles anymore. Like this is cowboys title shot. You got the biggest fight in the game you comic Gregor your make your make millions of dollars this golden goose. When he talked he talked to? WHO's been Kobe coming in? Mazda doll could be Tony. Maybe not those two but it talked to anyone who do you WANNA fight. You want says conner. 'cause you know it's the biggest fight you can get in the game cowboy. Got It by being. He's he's he paid his dues. He's earned it. He's getting millions and millions of dollars win lose or draw. It's a a good fight for Kaplan. I think they should make red panties night belt. I'd be cool. Whoever gets to fight conor you get a red panties night belt the belt the belts like the belts or whatever for now 'cause like super hot actress to wear them for a day dude? I'd love that and they win. Those be so sick. A belt with like a framed Red Panties V.. So I think he's you know conners calculated in his comeback. And I think this is a smart fight eight for him because he's not fighting someone who's too big right where I feel like that. Was the argument about nate. Even though nate did of course five fifty five for a long time big. He's he's big dude. And there's some other guys that WANNA fight him at one seventy that a real one seventies like Mazda is a perfect example that Mazda Dow was at one fifty five for a long time. But he's not anymore if you look at his frame like you go look back when he fought like Michael which was like two thousand thirteen fourteen fourteen fourteen somewhere around right. So Mas Vidal back then was like skinny guy and he was real scared wasn't defined. You know a man you know most well. He ruined his body. He was also killed himself to make fifty five. And you can't Pak can't put any muscle when he went up to one seven and we could see who he really is. We knew we really knocked out. Yves Edwards and Bo dogfight school. Remember that yeah. That was an eve was a monster. He was probably the best fifty five pounds in the world. People forget about that today they do forget but one of the reasons why I was trying to think why they do that. Seventy I think you're right. We're cowboy is a natural one fifty five hundred a huge welterweight but the other thing is is now at conner seventy now. He has options he can play in seventy. You play at fifty five in seventy and I. I know his team wants to do and his manager told me MAS would optimist dimissed. They won't be the CO main event against Nick Diaz and they want the connor fight. Is Nick taking fights. He announced on instagram. They is big news about a fight on on a story. I guess some did you see his interview with Ariel. Yep would you think Would you think I didn't. I didn't think you looked happy. No I thought it was real troubled and a lot of rambling. I mean a lot of thoughts trying to get out of his head a lot of rant. You know I mean I think it's it's like. Have you ever watched an interview and be like Dan. That was with him yelling super-quick Jam Jams fucking people talk about that. They're just like the little I know. It's it's tough because again we kick this pot death off with C.. T. and stuff like that. So it's like is. Is that a combination of him fighting hiding is that what's going on there. Those years of the wars or is that just that just him. We don't know but what I don't know him well enough but guys you know that are in that same era. They're having real problems anytime. You gotta remember when he was fighting in strikeforce. God You remember Paul Daily. How about CYBORG fight right? How good was he missed so good? How does frank shamrock fight? Holy Fuck Man. It's a shame what happened with him and his brother in the we didn't we didn't get enough of it. Well the big will nate. Didn't get appreciated enough. And after the yeah and I always said that after the connor fight one of the reasons why those fights were so big was nate and for whatever reason no one was putting that together. I'm like this guy is superstar. People go crazy when they see him like this is not like a regular meal as fucking he smokes weed. He's a stone or champion at any says. Fuck you to the man to that. Even the vegans love him because he sometimes he falls Vegan. Checking all the boxes for Hanson's he's like he's got so many good things he's tough as shit and they'll fight anybody and he's been a veteran. He's been fucking fighting for every so many warriors you think of his fight against Moslo so we haven't talked in a long island. I no Mas Vidal so good man. He's so got Musleh out of the three rounds. I thought it was best case for nate to that. They they did that. That doctor stopped the fight. Because I thought MAS would all was setting up to to finish him and I never been finished so he has been finished. Josh Tom but I'm saying that he was going that way. Yeah it was best case scenario could be like dude. What the fuck where? He doesn't lose any of that. You know right back into the Josh Thompson. Fight was more competitive up until the moment josh land high correct and hiking's good fight. Josh Josh still winning that fight I have to go back and watch more competitive. There was more competitive this muzzle dose. I didn't find it. Didn't they got the Mike and went. Oh re-met no. There's no away when I was like no. That's not how it was certainly competitive in that. Maswadeh was in a fight. It wasn't like he ran over hard rounds but that first first round was devastating. Mazda is fucking good man. He's fucking smart. He sees things and he can act on things that other guys they either don't have the ability to or they don't throw themselves in the fire correctly like he does and then he gets out good his defense is on everything he stands straight up to. He's got a a totally different style. Like when you see. Mas Vidal stand. He's he's hardly changed. Dude he stands straight up. He's got so much confidence in his wrestling takedown defense wentz and his striking and his his octagon IQ that when he puts it all together. He's able to fight with his best. STANDUP stance you know. He's he's fighting like and he makes you aware very clear very quickly your endanger with his hands. He's throwing bombs at your fucking thing about his experience. Experience meant beat. And so now here so you know when you talk to him. He's like the bell fucked Appel the title. He's like Kobe and tomorrow or just that their third or fourth options for me men there. I'm looking at Nick Diaz. I'm looking at Connor. You know. There's just he's like I don't care about the Batman I see why hi he would say that but I think it would be a real shame if right now in his prime of primes he didn't fight for the title. I just feel like he's so close that that would be. He's huge right now. Huge Hewitt around the stream fight knicker connor. No interesting. No well I wanna see I no matter what Colby and use mon you and you're getting that yes. That's getting super excited about that. Fight once that's done I want Mas Vidal to fight for the title. Whoever's got the belt I think if Mazda and Nate Diaz or Nikki has don't fight on the under character self-doubt GonNA fight? They have audio. I know they want it. And his management said the UCLA has reached out to nick and they're trying to figure that out if they do make that happen. I mean of course I'm going to be excited to see it of course but my thoughts are that right. Now we're experiencing maswadeh on this very strange zone. Where you see fighters enter into it whether it's through this rededication or refocusing of his of his his intent and his discipline you know he he knows story how we went and did that? Reality Show and came back and was like nick. He didn't have any food man. He's fucking south. American reality show. He had to go to this village and ask for food. He also said he got he had time to like get out from like sit back and ask about everything going on. It was like this is what i WanNa do and then came back was like. Let's do it man than just. He became this superstar. And I I just you know when when when I meet those guys in ops another store and you get a random you just have this sense of just like I'm so happy for them and that's why I talked about a Nicholas fight for four. Hey talk about Karma Gregory fight because you're not the titled Like Tomorrow in Kobe. They're not making real money men. You don't think that the coal being that Kobe's going to bring in a a lot of people know record say does it and I love Kobe's fantastic fighter ben as far as ticket sales and pay per views. No let me does from the UFC from the AFC. This colby with one big win right now. Like he hasn't fought in a while riding fights Robbie lawler before that it was a whole year. It hasn't been a lot of activity. Him and Dana hate each but his crazy shit talking with his three dollar suit and his fucking Maga- hat and his bullish rivers if he gets through it right. Yeah he gets through and HE BEATS KAMARA USE MON and it gets on the Internet and it becomes a thing. He could be the next huge superstar. He knows what he's doing and you and I both know him. He's not like fucking character he's a really Nice Guy he's smart as Shit and his fucking discipline is unparalleled and people look look at him with that stupid suit on and the magazine and he's carrying around Donald Trump junior book. fucking amazing dude. He's the he's got the the best act ever put on in the UFC because he's got an act. All these other guys are talking shit. He's talking to a character thing game. He made a guy when you think he thinks that suit looks good. All over sued cheaper suit. He could find what I did a food truck with A. You're like give it to me like you don't have to do this man. We can just cool. Strippers he goes can you about. Oh you know. It'd be fun to massage students house by shoulders. She goes get the fuck out of them. Sitting there with this book triggered in his fucking funny fucking hat is soaring closing on the hat. Clinton Donald Trump the White House. That is as an interim he's still interim champ. Yes you can't just take it from him but what's interesting too is remember him in Mazar Dole had they were training partners. There's a story there but again I think for our friends apparently yes but also yeah. It's like an Andy Kaufman thing so for for Mazda right off in the sunset and be set up with his kids. I wanted them fight. CONOR see if they fight nick my tunnel loot for their last night. You made a ton of loot look for that last night so it was a big success right. Everybody wants to see that fight. It was big and I think Montreal's names never been brighter. Whoever wins the title? Do you think about the story of him. DENVER SNEAK DAS. Going my little brother. The most I've ever related to the Diaz brothers when he goes dude. You beat my little brother because I have an older brother I was like. Oh Hey Elliot get them. I'm in now bro. And people will love that too. I mean it will definitely be successful but I would like to see nick. Be Real active. I've before I know you're right. You're right but that's what's crazy about the AFC warm up fights use me. Conner has won a fight in three eight years then before that the only out against Khabib he he gets done boxing then fights fucking Khabib. Hasn't been anybody since the Eddie Alvarez fight when you won the title it's crazy. It's crazy three minutes fucking half a billion dollars. This is where you got. Whatever you WANNA say about Connor offseason outside doctrine antics are have been crazy? But you gotta respect the guy who has all that money goes. y'All Surani January at welterweight that the number five lightweight and the world like y'all fight that guy do you think that he can reignite the fire that he had when he came Derek Brunson nope when he was coming up. No no that money in the bank. That's I don't I don't think fighting comes from that place. But how come some guys when they have hundreds of millions is dollars is still fuck people out by Tyson in his Prime Lennox Lewis in his Prime Tyson fucked up until he until he until the bully fought back. Oh Oh you have fought the same I think he's also tired of it too. I think it was a combination of the Fatah guy who wasn't scared and didn't back down and it was. Yeah bring it to you and you got fucked. He's lost every fight that the guy was on a scared he lost those fights. But I'm not seeing. Tyson was in Great Boon van. Holyfield's a better boxer man. He's a better fighter lider but he doesn't get the respect but there were some guys that weren't scared of them that that that stood in with him and he beat him by decision in like. Didn't he beat Razor Ruddock by decision decision. They had a Lotta Shit talking. He Kayode Bonecrusher Smith Right. Yeah but when we're talking about a tip of the spare like holy feel in the in the hotel at that time vendor Holyfield. There's a real good argument for sure that he's one of the greatest of all time. The only guys ever win the title four times easy but I but I just think you know with with with Connor especially this day and age the UFC is different than boxing words. Such a grind man. I was just GonNa guys so good. Oh my background van. Spend all that money on that one house. That's plan and Rick Ross. The fake Rick. Ross owns that house. Why is the real freedom ricky? The real deal was other things in the community. Rapper took his name. He lost in court. Try to get his name back back trying to get that. GotTa stop using the name. Pay Him to use his fucking. And how about that. Rapper Rick Ross. Used to be a cop and I talked dope and all the security guard at a prison. I think so I think something on your own house dude. So Vander Holyfield made hundreds of millions of dollars five point eight. Oh it's not bad because it's outside of Atlanta China. It has thirty seven rooms like all his family lived in. It costs a million dollars just to keep every year. I think that was the word that was a million dollars to run for maintenance. Yeah just everything everything. Holy Fuck Dude. He moved into Bellagio boost big. Imagine that Rick Ross made that with another whose name just talking shit. What a great country? You could just talk shit in this country and you can make fucking millions of dollars and and and the other thing is he owns like a hundred buffalo wild wings. Thanks Buffalo stops. We Stein's to shelter wingstop show Christie's that's a good move right. People always want wings wings have been around forever to fuck in my amounts wild wings wings these to be a place right outside Boston comedy in the village we do sets at Boston comedy. And there's this wing spot and and they had they had different levels and one was suicide. You would get this suicide sauce on this fucking on these wings all my the purpose time. I didn't understand hot peppers but it was definitely Habanero because it was an orange color like a real orange color and you would eat those wings. Just just be like Gee. It's like a weird combination of pleasure and pain. The same takes your breath away lips. Go White Ha. I fucking love wings. Yeah I don't WanNa do that wings. Show though not a good way to talk man. You know it's like interesting coming out of your no crying. You do us good a good place to talk. It'd be fun though just to be fun to see on. I know but why why asking people personal questions whether crying. Let's hottest fuck some guys. Just talk like some guys just crush. It doesn't faze him like how does that APP. Oh this is my friend. Tommy Hirsch I've talked about him before we used to be a place called Chili my soul in Encino and it was just crazy chilly plays. This guy was into the most ridiculously hot Chili. It was so hot. You'd have to sign a waiver if you wanted to buy the stuff that they put in it and and You said he was telling me that even with the hottest shit that they had they had like a number system. I think I think ten you know eight was like the most I could tolerate. But they would have these guys from Nepal come and even with ten number ten the hottest should they had these dudes be putting some extra hearts holding. Do you like Spicy Stein. I I don't like it by hand licey but I like spicy. I like a love Jalapenos with elk. It's like my favorite I slice up at four or five Jalapenos the opinions and I'm in a bunch of every time I take a piece of Alka put a piece of Jalapeno on that. Pitch me when he posted calls even a cheese pizza and the Goddamn aw dude keeps you alive fuel. You eat that stuff spicy pepper. fucking supernatural muscle of the Elk Oke Neat Oh. That's the menu man that was it was it was a number system. Yeah so ten demon is ten. See that ten will fucking doc in end your life ten plus and when Oh my God ten plus and when they let you try it they would let you try it in a tiny cup like a little little paper Cup like like that big and it gives you a baby spoon like when the baby spoons you get at the ice cream store try that different flavors that you're that French fennell and they give you a little something the plastic classic. That's what it's like they would give you that and you put it in your mouth and I would immediately start hiccuping. Or your body's like what in the fuck are you doing to me Matt. There's been a there's been a few people who on that That when one of the the hot ones is yeah hot ones. That's right. The hot ones like Shiloh. Buff took all of them at the end. Put them altogether together. I wouldn't do that. He did it in his he was about to throw up at like bringing them milk or some shit well. China has got other issues. Probably just us this Finola actor though very good very good actor you know peanut butter fouts hard road for all of us. He just wanted to get a little further down the road. Ah Spicy fermented ran into boy. Logan Paul in Hawaii. Did you really ain't wandering around. Hawaii talked over Thanksgiving weekend. Nice kid very nice yes. I've talked to him before I talked with you. All that's right we're at the Omni stories and the good fight. Then there was good it was good fight. They didn't get tired. I mean they fucking went after it for six rounds for guys like to you know I've seen Jason have experienced an Amtrak box and they would gas the fuck out in front of a crowd like pat pretty impressive. It's interesting you know. Here's a guy also does need to do that. He makes a lot of money. A ton of money makes a ton of money whether you like it or not. That's the reality of it is. It is making the money. I mean whether someone listening likes to hear it or not. The truth is he makes a ton of Iraq you can lie. All you know marriage broke loss. So's Murray you know. It's got all the money and he still decided to fight which is interesting. It's like okay. You know if if you have that competitive drive in you you know if you really do have it in you. I think for for him and those youtubers especially at his level is just like what's the next thing being that we can compete like getting everyone behind and it was that they could have done ballet dancing. Whatever it is you would have sold millions and millions of like they could but they chose this which I respect but that essay guy who I've never seen I'm not familiar with my nose British British people so I know he was like fuck? I'm lacking in the face again. This was due. I'm don well. He won for sure so for him. That's the best way to end it. He's like I'm out and it was real controversial. The penalty I thought was ridiculous. It was chat ref respected wrath was also like you're in there for this kind of show like take it for what it is. He has not fought for. Don't take two point went from Logan Paul because at that point warning it's ridiculous. I didn't agree with that. And I think with more fights. Logan could learn how to relax. Relax he gets wild and swinging for sure but Logan Stop Boxing. Yeah you have a billion dollars. Keep doing that too. Yeah exactly exactly but it was interesting. Interesting Watch them like this kid can punch athletic man. He's very athletic. Has a work ethic in in the heat of the battle and was trained by Shannon Shannon Briggs. Let's go champ let's go let's go. Champ was training them Yeah Shannon Cannon knows how to fuck and find he did a real campaign is just the I respect it but it's still fighting go. Well maybe we'll know maybe we'll check that box or good man do what do you think about Sonya and Yoel Romero that real. It's not confirmed yet. Is it no. I sent you something. It was Hopi. He said that the Holy Shit because I fell asleep. I woke up Mike here we go but is it not confirmed someone troll me now. I founded the websites. I follow on Instagram. But usually they leak there and then it gets announced but if he does fight y'all Romero and when I was talking to Horry the annual reveals manager when I was doing the food truck with horry he's just like Oh horrors getting the fight man. I was like now. He's coming off losses thinking about his fucking losses. Says he has he has us. Do you think you lost Apollo Costa. I was like no one got robbed but I can see why they get Paul but you have. No you think it was thing about before that the Robert Whitaker fight. I fuck with that too. He definitely robbed in the second whitaker fight. I thought he won that fight. Yeah said that many many times to I haven't really heard a good argument against it. He had them hurt real bad. Yeah at least two rounds. Yeah I'd have to go back. I remember at the time. I- discord for whitaker. Here's my thing that's fine. If you think he won all right I can see that I see both sides. But that's it's an argument forgiven. You'll Romero title shot. Because he felt like he got he got starts than game title. Shot you like what are you doing. Is it real design y'all's page. It's not Oh oh Shit Bart Seventh. Here's the promise. You all hasn't heard anything but that's on your page. I know but he goes a lot of people putting pudding saying we fight March. Lola people booting saying we find more. How about Should I be ready. Be Ready. Gay Jesus How about Andrew Schultz and Schultz is super close with izzy and and He saw that and he goes dude. Why would he fight this guidance? Speak very good English. Mike what I'm like. Dude hold on what he's saying she needs a guy to speak. Get English couldn't touch UNDERSTO- y'All Romero is such a fucking nightmare for easy to go after it just ups the legend of izzy. This is what he's doing perfect. Trust me it's perfect Andrew. Stay in your lane. I love you fuck this up. He talked liked it. We talked is he out of it. I'd be so mad at him. He would listen to. Of course he wouldn't but imagine if he did what evanger had fucking Bajic hypnosis power and shots Iran and Iraq English like. What the Fuck Redo? How'd you do that though for gay gay? Jeez don't for gay dude. How about one? That fight is confirmed. Ferguson Khabib is how to fuck did people not understand he was saying. Don't forget you know all the Times that I've ever not not done. Post fight commentary. That was the time I was the most mad. Would they not let you wasn't there. Wasn't there for that when he was saying it was a fighter. I was there but it was somewhere. Where was that there was forget? Jesus Look I. I know a lot of Cuban people I know. What the fuck you saying he's saying? Don't don't forget Jesus is not. Don't go for gay. Don't forget why would he say hangings crank it up so we can have. It is a fight night. That's why he didn't do it now. Listen John He's got a bible quote on his forehead folks the US. I was home for the badgers the pass through the role. Geez I just don't forget said it keeps coming. Oh go for not Not Forget Jesus God dude fit the thing is he's going what's wrong with you Americans. What's wrong with the Americans you forget you forget you? Forget Jesus you you gay people no. That's exactly what I mean. What positive second I'm going to be honest? You're going to be honest. I did a little bit. I was like we know because he lives it up with. What's wrong with America? which is the problem? Here's the problem he said. Forget get pretty clear. That's what fuck you forget you forget right but for Jesus barely leaving Jay. Jesus everybody said Jack Shit again. Umbrella cut it off Javy. US You talk okay you forget the USA you forget you. Forget the best in the world. Good long as what happened to you. John Come and go for Catches not for gay. Jesus people maybe but maybe not forget. Jesus like what happened to you not forget. It wasn't like there was some gay thing that was going on and he was commenting on. But he's he saw batted. England is so bad easily. Could be don't forget. Jesus is at Gopher Jesus Doll Forget. Jesus so only promise he goes. What's wrong with you? USA What's wrong with you. Forget the number one. Jesus what's wrong would you go back. Go back don't throw forget. Forget he is. Don't forget Jesus but he says don't forget right more time because it doesn't say you're worth author breaking this down first of all pause for a second you got to remember. He just got hit in the head. A gang right. I mean what fight was this. Do we remember and look. He's got John Three sixteen or eighteen on a BANDANNA around his head he's got a bible quote on. It's fucking for Jesus not for gay. Jesus People Gopher for Jesus not forget Jesus Yen not you forget you get Jesus. It's it doesn't make sense period. Not Oh for gay. Jesus nose day no no. There's no rumors anything and don't forget to start a rumor about cheese being gay marriage if we were the first ones after all these years I heard about Jesus and then it becomes like everybody's talking about it like you'll always tell there's a scroll he was gay shot. Broke it down allchurch shop down. Of course he loves everybody. It's confusing though. I can see how people mix those words because we I watch owes going home the pain on the USA dates gates. But I remember thinking. Don't hurt it that he was saying. Don't forget because a lot of Cubans with accent. They might say. Don't forget yeah. Yeah don't forget. Don't forget we go out. Don't forget eight o'clock we'd be here. They did have that sort of way of talking. So when I hear don't forget I always say that makes get. Yeah Jesus I'M GONNA assume you said don't for Jesus doesn't make sense that we'd say no no forgave Thomas. That doesn't make any problems skipping. You say you forget. Let's say say you forget and then for gay for gay. But he's barely speaking English. That's a mets. There's no way you should hold him accountable to be able to accentuate everywhere correct. I think I think most people got over it and we just react. Just rehash that guy is one of the most scary athletes I've ever seen in the you'll see when he knocked out Kris widen with that. Flying name just comes out of nowhere I mean he does shit to people man he throws people he took a fucking straight head kick from Derek Brunson right to the neck just walked off like it was nothing. Pretended like nothing happened really uses wrestling either. Well he does a little but really does gay. Just wants to knock your head off. I think his mass right the mounts muscle and the explosive energy required to try to take somebody down. How if he can do that for five minutes for five rounds no takedown defense? And then he's a little bit more vulnerable with his striking if she can explode so he's not a technical striker in the vein of style. Bender style is a technical striker. Sil- Bender is setting you up. He's giving you looks and then he's doing things to you to see how you respond. And then he'll fake things and high kick. He'll do some shit. You know his comment. You'll house not that you'll well is exploding sitting in a way that you can't handle you can't be on guard all the time. He can't be like this. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA burn out so there's GonNa be a moment where you relax is going to be a moment where you you. You can't quite move out of the way quick enough. And that's what he's GonNa leave on. You know many hits with that flying neil you hit why but he like cheese I think for style the just look it up the matchup and what style bended Robert Whitaker. I do think is he finishes them. I do. It's all about physique and just keep but from taking them down because if he if they're standing up the thing about Yo l is these leaps these power just these giant explosive movements but but is going to be aware that he's going to try to look at Robert. Whittaker never really had opportunity to explode like that is he's he's so good at distance and he's I fought big powerful guys before he seeing that the you know the one guy that knocked out izzy starting to find him a megan. It's Alex Pereira. Do you know He. He's fucking terrifying terrifying. Yeah that dude is a ruthless striker house houses. Emma may come in the high of no idea. I Know Talk Shit Dizzy. But it's like kayode him in kickboxing fight. Go horrific left took Robert. I mean Alex Pereira Fox up everybody. MMA's different animal very different very different animal but in kickboxing boxes. A ways to go. It's too bad people don't do that. Guy Is I know you know because in kickboxing see what he did. The Jason Wellness leave fuck do tore them up. Holy Relief Fuck kickboxing pull pull up alex. Pereira versus Jason Wellness on and glory for the World Title Dude. He's a fucking Terminator He. He smashes fighting with well. It's all no man. He's fighting glory. MMA is I have no idea. I just heard that he's is about to do it again. I don't know if a matchup is even been announced but his fucking striking so dangerous because in a lot of ways he reminds me not not. He's very big. Not what the fanatical the knocked out. Is he not with the finality of like the the way deontay wilder punches. But with that kind of he's got. Ah Yeah deontay something special and he really is. I mean nobody. Nobody knocks people out with a punch like that. God's forehead had never seen it I've he's he's he's like the new next level in terms of strikes. Ruis and Joshua's rematches Saturday. That's right that's right. The seventh length so in this fight he sets them up and I think he hits them with a knee and on and then a high kick stop them or high tech first and then a knee. It's coming up here but Kapoor is one of those guys where it's ripe there. You just missed the knocked out here. Does Pereira's one of those guys. That can really do this to anybody. It's just a matter of if he hits you so wellness. Is Tom COM boom. There's the Damn Wellness Jason Wellness Com. He's been in there with some fucking killer killer. In fact is he lost. Today's willingness by decision it was. I thought I thought it was kind of a bad decision. I thought style Ben. Oh we'll get that flabby. Take this back that up again. I was talking. Let's see that again. Watch this this is how good Alex fucking Pereira on. Watch this home. It'll just be one more time. Look how good that knees wash. That left knee. That shit's perfect. Perfect look at that again. Watch US CHAPO CHAPO. That is that is a perfect flying knee. And that's just how tough Jason Woman's fight Jamie Dino so he's giving give me trouble for sure for everybody. Stop Rico. Van Hoven came over here. Yeah he's trained to AK and have we heard from that rematch. Watch with Bakari kick box. That's coming up real soon but I thought he was gonNA keep doing them eventually. Come on over to the dogs. I think he wants to do that. After your body Hari but the bottle hurry is the biggest fight in all of kickboxing. Okay so he's had two fights that he and one fight that he lost so he losses says you. MMA debut by submission Renuka choke but then he won two fights Bhai K on Tko three years fighting in jungle fights which is Kinda like the elephant. Yeah but that was. I mean who knows who's fighting now see if you pull up. Alex Pereira fight soon. So how how old is he say six thirty. Am To say there too in two years. You'll be tough. It's all about whether or not he's got a ground game. I don't know anything about his ground. Gang all know about the striking is funny dude. He's so scary and he could do that to anybody. If you could do that. Style bender. You could fuck do that anybody for sure. If you see this under fight he catches them clean left Hook and just shuts his lights out. Shows you get style benders. Do Yep boom good. This guy's Jesus Christ throw but how about style. Bender has the skill set to fight a guy like that. That wasn't Salvador right. There there was a different. was that different. The current champs champion said of glory. Yes you want to yeah. He's fighting the two differences in the way classes. I think so either way murderer. Just a murderer scary guy there's But this this everybody and then as wilder does everybody everybody with power you've ever seen and then there's wilder while there's powers like what is happening. He's got superpower his techniques not phenomenal phenomenal. It's just not it's sometimes he throws from the hip. It's just like it's over. Here's the thing he's not like George Foreman or like these bigger do he's he's. He's learning flipped around to thirteen to nineteen. Like he's not a big. Do not even not even remotely big pain. It's insane when he hit Ortiz's forehead and just draw. That's not an easy fight. No no monster. No and it showed me Ortiz's winning in my book who's winning and now you got fury wilder wilder in February. And what do you think about Saturday night. What do you mean? Oh with Josh Josh. What pieces them up do you do? I do. I hate when people say. Oh it's like a buster Douglas Situation. It's not because someone doesn't like Mexicans uh-huh so yeah kidding folks. Yeah my girls make some bonds. I kept him for God's sake do Andy. Ruiz has got a shot. He has shot but because he was also it's not fluke like Buster Douglas Mike Tyson because any reasons winning the fight before even knocked them out and not got knocked it down third but he was winning around in the bank. Well he got knocked down but then he got back up and knocked Joshua now correct her too so and then he just stopped them right but but I think it was the perfect storm for Anthony Joshua lose the fight. I think Joshua knows what he's dealing with remember. That was a late. Replacement explicitly big baby Miller and also going in that camp. He was dealing with some personal issues which everybody does but though thinks the rumor is is that he got knocked down and camp by Philadelphia heavyweight. Who's The guy do now? Oh I forget that. He's a stud. I definitely heard the rumor from multiple different sources that he got knocked out and the source. I heard later guy who would know. It seemed like there was another rumor that he had a nervous breakdown in the locker room that he knew should have been fired and his dad was like no. It's not go out. So That's what he sees dad. Arguing with Eddie hearn. And here's what else is interesting too is now the doing the rematch. It's in Saudi Arabia. They they didn't have arena there. They built it for this seats. Fifteen thousand people so crazy. He's making seventy five million dollars. Some shit like yeah. Yeah for this fight. And it's I think they know what's going on. There's something going on because it's the way from everything like media's not going to be the Saudi Arabia so there's like the the pressure of the English crowds not there so I they're trying to protect the golden goose here in Saudi Arabia. Would you think he's the golden goose. Here's what I think I think if Andrew is knocks him out again he's he's as big golden goose as there is in the world avery. How many fucking Mexicans? I don't have to tell you made to yourself. Mexicans Lisa Kinsman and the guys softspoken. He's a sweetheart he's got fantastic hands. I mean he's got a fluidity to him that you rarely see in the heavyweight division whereas a lot of heavyweights feel like a big one punch guys He's like Bob and we even throw in combination. That people are confused. Because if you've just discovered any reason that Anthony Joshua fight he's not a finisher he's not not a knock out artist that was just that fight balls to the wall. He just had nothing to lose. He was like playing with house money but now he's a better pure boxing and Joshua but just so I bet you finish undertand interesting. Yeah well he definitely heard him in the first fight he heard him first and then threw caution to the wind and got cracked Yep because he underestimated Andy's resolve and his ability to recover. It is inside the close quarters now imagine what would happen if instead of going crazy seen trying to stop him. What if he just boxes on the outside and keeps trying to shot? Yes yeah instead of going to do yeah instead of going in the first part correct I think is going to. He's stand outside use a job set him up. He's win round with footwork and boxing and then event in the job then eventually six seven eight ruining me way down on the cars and by Fuck Gopher Oh for broke. I think it's taught coming in interesting. Prediction knows who. That's for. Sure saying I feel like release is going to have incredible confidence. Because he's going into this fight knowing that he's able to beat the heavyweight champion. The World Win the title. and He's got fucking Rolls Royce now. Okay he's going in there with champ attitude you think yes or is he going there downing. I don't think so I don't think so. He realized he can hang with Jess not won the title. I think he's a fucking champ and I think he's got more love and more respect than he's ever had in in his liner Pacific. You likes it. Seems like he's having a good time. I think we see an even better Andy Ruiz. I think we see. I don't know I don't know if you beat them but I think he's going to be better. I think I think I think Josh was going to be better too. I think both guys realized Joshua but also Joshua Loses fight. It's like where does he go from. I don't know man I don't know I mean look you tell me. You wouldn't WanNa see Joshua Wilder. I'll I'll watch Joshua Fury all God. MD A watchdog louder knocks Joshua cold. I Wanna see everything to see everything I want to see all of but I think Andy lost weight was Andy Way now. I think he's down his speeds trouble mood his combinations you so fluid would josh remember. Can't forget gold. And he got dropped by Wladimir Klitschko over that and came back and fucked landline them. SP billion why his resumes insane. Oh Yeah I mean. Olympic gold medalist and probably the best body in the history of the division was seriously especially when he fought when Fart Ruis. Here's a little thick. I think he's lost laid himself. I think one of the things he's done is he's gone less. Strength and conditioning and more pure box was so big it was talking about that. He said essentially his word Wade described it as I was listening to this interview with them. Some English gentleman and he was saying that You think about it you have one hundred percent of your energy have you put fifty percent of its strength initiative and fifty percent of it the boxing. You're not going to achieve the same amount as if you put one hundred percent boxing something to that effect. So the idea is he's doing less road work. He's doing more conditioning in the gym. And he's doing heavy bags met smart. Yeah it's because if you look at you know injuries kind of advantages advantages over and be speed combinations so you don't WanNa just be this big heavy bulker also if you're looking at future matchups fury and wilder. They're all light around the feet. Yeah you you know move better better cardio so much. Does he lost this was this is Joshua he said he's taken on a prison. Workout mindset for. This fight was on the line I think. Think so. Here's the thing to the same with a car. McGregor collars careers online as well against cowboy of for sure so when you put these guys Andrius tricked fans in a think. He's lost weight. I did that crash chick for this picture. He said where he lifted his arms up Kreischer. I should try first of all. How dare you bishen exactly the same exact same training video clips the same limited the missile factories that that there's a video of him hitting the The Shield and He misses and catches his trainer on the Chen. Get a little wild wild fuck. Yeah he dropped trainer. I would be worried about any. He's answering the spotlight and that money and as the Rose Royce and he might have been partying San Diego. I'd be worried about Hin. I'd be worried about him. You know being like Oh this is the life yes that's possible. Yeah but I don't think so. I think I think he's a disciplined guy. I think he just is wild and can be that disciplined with that body. No he looks a certain way that you're you're not GonNa get away with discipline doesn't come to the food. It's not GonNa win any best body contest but he fox a lot of people up folks a a lot of people have. I don't think he's GonNa Trick Josh this time though I mean the first time he tricked him Joshua's probably looking at him. Like I'M GONNA fuck this out. Oh that's what you do. I've seen this in the millions. Millions of fights I've had in the Olympics. Yeah Watch this. That's what I think's going to happen now for res Wins All right but I I just I don't see it man. It's so so interesting. Because it becomes as big fight as wilder fury to it becomes giant fight. Wilder fury to to me is the heavyweight fight. That's the heavyweight fights. Really interested didn't fight. Josh was the third Joshua Joshua's like used to be Joshua number one the golden child and he lost so he fell off but while fury of just been doing their thing well. This is the fight that I wanNA see more than anything while fury to. That's the number one. Just because the first one was so controversial fantastic so good and you know are we watched it yesterday today. In fact you can make a real real solid argument. That Tyson fury got robbed. Oh one hundred percent the only argument for deontay louder is you know He. He did not come down. If the fight was a fight fight fight you know like in the streets and two guys were going at it like that UH and one guy dropped the guy and blasted and then dropped him in the end and WHO's laying on his back and he got up and the you know at the end of the round. They decided that was the end of the fight. You would say man. I think he won. He fucked up dude up. But as far as boxing rules goals and contacts one. That you're you're on first but deontay wilder draw them because had did the most most damage in the house like when I was a drum like oh I dig that. Here's the argument against the draw. Though he gets dropped Tyson. Fury has dropped in the the the final round right loses one point for sure right. It's definitely now attorney round for Tyson for deontay wilder after that knock down a bad knock down but then he gets up and wins the rest of the route. So what do you say there you give them a point for that so you won the fight. So what is it nine eight. What is that then? If it's a ten point wait must system. How does it work? Does that mean what it go back to. Even can you have a seven seven around you both drop each other twice. I don't think I don't think so. No right what happens sir. Do you ever manager of guys when they just go back to. You went to score that around ten it you do it. Shouldn't we know this. It'd just be a ten nine. I should definitely know this boxing auction judges but even scores. Don't they dude here. This is not where you at all so could be Tony. I'm like fuck. Yeah finally skill wise all time lightweight division one of the best use could ever make but same place Brooklyn Brooklyn might have. Why are we doing it there too? And guess WHO's the doctor. Probably homeboy freaked out when he saw blood on. That's so he's a doctor. You don't think Tony Firs using those elbows. Oh my God that's true. DOC take a fucking hot so true. It's GONNA use those elbows from the bottom to son. He's not scared of getting taken down. Not at all not at all enjoys it off his back he loves it. You'RE GONNA get that for. You can get one of the greatest trilogies of history of those three. He can scramble in a way. That other guys can't use other places could be on when you look at the the matchups you're just like Holy Shit. Tony is a perfect kind of fo. I could be well particularly because he's so good at so many people from his back when with with everything arms and legs I mean he beat Kevin Lee with a triangle thing. About how many people he darst. How about that? Barboza fight Deputies Darcy Guy. That's completely we covered in blood which is so hard to do. Here's the other thing you gotta remember. Tony doesn't get tired doesn't get tired. It's a wave. It's a slow wave so in the fifth he's is actually better than it was in the for. How is that possible? What the fuck is he doing? Strength and conditioning wise at other people. And there's just always been that way. I think it's a genetic thing I think you know. I used to train with Tony. Tony at rain he would. He would spar with everybody else. Keep going to guys like I'm good thing. Go to the bag or Brent sprints he just is just in his DNA to keep going you talk to edie about like dance. Doing six hour long practices. Yeah they said there's no one like him and they said that everybody else gets exhausted. All the people trained with them. They're all getting exhausted and he's laughing them. Running hills. Does this hill sprinting laps. Everybody I mean just a freak like the came lasca thing. We're like what what is happening. There met boat. You know it is both Mexican to sued something about that some over Melendez to back in his prime known for having cardio actually he said I think a lot of powerful Mexican genetic Mexican Indiana. Listen Man Endurance says hold my hand saying a meatball sub. Maybe some case ideas the as fucking Tamale. If he wins dude come on man. You know what we're going to have in La if he beats res You if he beats Joshua rather yeah maybe I mean canales the fuck in Canal Manson. He's the fucking man to. Here's the really crazy thing ready for this. If any release loss all the fat in his body how do you think you weigh one hundred thirty son of a bit. I know I notice. Assume he's probably fifty to fifty to sixty not tall either. Oh He's maybe be six one six six foot okay and that's really five eleven now. What's his weight boys? Fifty do you say to fifteen. He's like a ball guacamole only so think. Vegas Drink Yogurt. You can block moly. They make yogurt drinks. Don't make guacamole drinks. It's Outta here. I'm a fan of him I think did he really wasn't his last five but He fought at two sixty against Anthony Anthony Anthony. Josh Win The first flight five eleven to sixty two boys glued a little or not or. He's just like why dude I'm fucking I can do. I'm the heavyweight champion the world. He has three belts is more belts than wilder more built anybody. Here's an argument that I always used to make about Roy Nelson is that he could take body shots better because it's like he's we're an eight sweaters. Yeah that's right. They hit like trout dude very similar both of them. But if you think about like Roy's belly roy take shots shot to the belly with kick them remember like frank was kicking him in everybody's keeping with Croak up rocked him in the stomach. Yeah she's the only guy listed confine it impounded is listed as one thousand nine stones and two pounds to sixty eight to seventy five eleven to seventy a little thick Lee moral he trains hard. Who Trains are but he must shed some Mexican Food Mexican genetics food Mexican food to will pack on the pounds? If you look into some calorie dense foods. There's a place up here. What is that place on Canoga? Where's that place that Mexican join that we go Seoul? No no no in assault on the best this one little joint. Say the name. Because I don't want them to get flooded because he's a good dude so good so authentic you go into the Mexican soap operas our plan now freak out really you're gonNA love it yet. Those pickled Jalapenos big all stopped the case ideas my baby six days already. The IF I had one food forever it might be Mexican Mexican or Italian. Yeah one of those two. I only have one thing forever like a specific ethnic food Mexican so good no one. I might say Brazilian really mates that you Haas Korea if I had one nature I wouldn't miss the meat. Yeah yet Carne Asada with Mexican though. That's true that's true. Yeah but like if I'm if there's a Mexican joint next to a forward a child you are a big for good. A child stresses me. Now I flip the green they keep coming. I'm sweating and I don't I don't eat the Salad Bar and Funny Dick me on that dude. That's how you keep your digestive subtract clean the fillet the real expensive one them. You know what I'm looking for. You're looking for all the way to go. I think that's it. Yeah yeah yeah well they bring the sausage and like bitch. I didn't come here for sauces to get the fuck and read me Bro grow. What's with the dried tomato paste? I know you're you could put away some food. I guarantee you fear will eat you under the table in that place I agree. I don't eat that much food but you can. If you want to cut you got a lot of room big big fella bigger than fear. I'm telling you I never seen nothing like it. He just goes for plates and plates all of us including it's always the skinny guy sitting back on what the fuck is is growing very much. Want I wanNA keep eating so I think our when he knows he's going to go to photo to child won't eat for like a day. I think June doing a man he just gangster about it. It's I think it's competitive as well. It's like thank you thank you WanNa make me pay this much and I'm not gonNA eat more than that's worth did we. Dan Soda on your the Comet Comic. He's fucking the best new. HBO Special Damn Yeah He's from Aurora we played against John. Shit what did he play. He played linebacker. Smoky Hill. Ed Overland so we know each other and so Larry yes. We had them on the show day but he was talking about. We're talking about how the culture in La the comics. How they like help each other out and I was like well? That's because Joe Rogan is the guy that cultivated that kind of atmosphere. Where you no? It's we help each other out in the podcast game. And the comics like Joe's on starred that and he goes you know who start in New York and I'm like I don't see it in New York I know you guys Andrew Scholz kind of part of the squad over here. Oh now but and he goes when our move from La. Because Joe when I moved from La Kim New York he came in. And I was like fuck around with you guys. What's wrong with you guys and just kind end of like took over like no no? We're going to help each other out man and he's like that and he learned that you and I are close but he took that same ad brought to New York does interesting my my take on it was always user treated like martial arts like we're in there doing battle it's not US versus us and if you're better I get better. It's better for everybody and we got into this because we're fans of comedy. Yeah I got into comedy because I loved watching it I wanNA watch it. I want to watch. I WanNa Watch feel I WANNA watch count. I WanNa Watch you I WANNA I wanNA watch people kill Burrell. WanNa Watch Mukasey your friends bomb when someone bombs but do we know so. How many good comics bill? Burr I mean Kata fucking Shit. There's so many of them now. Deleted to so many murder Whitney. There's a bunch of murderers. Burt hurt Schultz to. There's so many shorts Schultz's murder Mark Norman hilarious so many good comics now and if you really love comedy. We're supposed to do that for each other. It's there's not many of us man the idea that like your success somehow or another is bad for me. That's crazy. What am I going to be in Tennessee? When you're in Tennessee come follow me around? WE'RE GONNA battle for the same customers fucking people everywhere. This three hundred million people we've also done shows in the same town and you're doing these giant arenas China we just dumped on the Improv. They'll sell out every. Yeah we we have a unique thing in this unique thing is really only only appreciated by the people that are doing it like everybody. That's doing it like realizes like this is unusual. We haven't had this before but but I think it comes from. You need someone in your position to do that. People all he's killing and he's nice like that that makes sense you know well. I think that's where it comes. Sounds from very APP yeah. I'm very happy because it's a it's a it's a different. It's different feel to different time. You know when I was coming up when I was my early days. The comedy store was like very very taxed abby. People didn't didn't help anybody and they weren't happy. When you got good things and you know this wasn't a lot of Camaraderie L.? Like me and that was like my first real comrade at the store you know when I became like really good friends with Joey because I realized like Joey is like a real guy. Hi You know what I mean. He's an animal like he grew up. I mean he when I met him was only a few years after you get released for armed kidnapping but I knew oh who was like I got it ago Mike. This is a man like Like I'm his friend. We're friends friends to the death. I'm his friend to the DEAF JEFF and I know that about him with me. One hundred percent. We became friends like real early on in our life. And you guys go on the road together so yeah I would eat it man. Can I ate it going on after him once Jersey. Oh Dude I wasn't ready. I'd only been doing comedy gotTa realize what I came out to La. I've only been doing comedy six years. Two four six eight hundred ninety four. Yes yes yes yes and I shouldn't have been you know and I ate a few times I ate at once. I was Headlinin. Four Years in Jim Breuer made me fucking go down in flames. WHO's one of the most horrific bombings of my career? But I learned something out of it. One we learned by watching Jim Jim was murdering just destroy and to I learned that I was nervous. I was real nervous for went on wasn't enjoying him. I wasn't was laughing at him and said I was scared sitting back. They're scared that I had to go next. How am I gonNA follow this instead of laughing and enjoying in going up there the guy who's having a good time and wants everybody to have a good time? I was going up there selfish naked. Smell that disguise myself. I wasn't thinking about having a good time. And what wasn't thinking about being the director of having a good time so I had to learn that with Diaz I. I learned that with with with brewer for show but I never had a follow brewer again after that other than maybe like a small spot at the the Boston comedy or Carolina. Something like that but not when he was doing a half offer now he was the middle and I was the headliner. Wasn't supposed to be fucking headline. brewers doing like He's opened up for talent. But metallica think McAfee just checked into Rehab so yeah so the brewers monster but but but me taking on the road with me first of all all like I knew I wanNA take guys on the road at me. They can hang there. Were were fun. We Talk Shit. We can have fun. We can go to dinner and laugh laugh. Yes dinner with Joey. You've been dinner with us. It's the Goddamn Joey Diaz show. We're just crying. And he knows that we love him and he knows where giant fans he turns it John so he turns it off. I got to tell everybody. That's the funniest person that's ever walked the face of the earth. He said things that I couldn't believe fucking said in restaurants were falling on the ground. A pounding the carbon under the table can't breathe can't breathe and he's a he's a fucking animal but like to have a guy like that and you're GonNa roll with a guy like that you also have to be sharp like you have to you have to pick your game up you. It's basically a sparring with the best of the best. You can't slack slack off though you just can't. There's none of that. You can't do that. You have to be ready and you have to enjoy it so what I learned to do instead of being scared to go on after him which I definitely was a couple of times I take it that one time in Jersey. I remember I did okay. I did good like it. Didn't bomb but there were moments. Where was rough it was today? I'd WANNA kill myself but it wasn't that good anyway. I mean I I could barely get through anyway but I remember just go like there was like ten whole minutes where I was struggling even before I picked it up. It was bombing. Wasn't the worst kind of bombing where they don't clap when you leave. But I've had that man. Wow that's rough thank you tonight and it's nothing like fuck you. Oh sorry. Sorry I didn't mean to bomb like that but but I definitely wasn't displays as him this fellow but then so then we all started hanging out together right and then it was like Ari and bread Ban Dunkin and we all all support each other and we all started just spreading this idea like what we're all friends. Okay like just because we're all doing the same job we're not in competition with each other and we're supposed to be the opposite we're supposed to be in support of each other and then if you do that then we can bring people along to and instead of it being a network network like NBC or ABC. CBS whatever these people you don't know and their job is just to find people that they can sell on television. They're they're trying to find honest trying to find a product whether it's the tonight show or its friends or whatever the show is they're trying to figure out how something could go in there and everybody feels like they're competing for that while I'm like well that's we're in the opposite situation now now the more people the better so it's not like you and I are both competing for some fucking role on cheers. It's not what it is now. It's the more more the better the more if you know funny people and then they go. Oh Brennan guys funny. He must be funny. He knows funny and then they watched that guy and that and you can and then it's a real network work then it's a network of friends so it's a different kind of network. There's no contracts. But everybody knows if feel Vaughn tells you somebody's funny that guy's gotta be funny because is Theon is funny as fuck so it's just like nice little thing where everybody's kind of helping everybody and then when you go there now. It's like a feeling of family every every time we go to the store. It's everybody's hugging Tau friend leads. That's all the weirdness man and it helps people. It helps people get over the hump because sometimes what keeps someone from becoming a professional is like you don't have supportive friends and you don't put the extra effort into it because it doesn't feel good to be there because you're not doing well because you bomb too often. That's a big one. You need someone like pull you aside when you bomb. Anyway you gotTa Stop Opening with that bit you make people uncomfortable but also go. I've been there too. Yes we've all been there dude. Anybody tells you they have embalmed is either a thief either them in stealing all their jokes or they're just not telling the truth. I real common. It's hard it's fucking hard and you you get humbled every time you come up with something new and every time you have to do a new special and every time you have to put away the old jokes or new ones humbled. You're eating shit all the time. There's no way you're not going to if you coming up with a new bit. There's going to be a time where you're going to say. Well you never. I said it before. That's just a fact and it's never going to be that good when you're in that SCAMPI. Yeah that's Bambi Bambi on ice just sell embarrassed trying the fucking. You're forcing it's clunky. That's the game though. Yeah that's what we do and the more we do it together. The more we help each other the more makes the people want to come see it too so it's like stores never been more packed. Never never been more packed. It's all on every night every night and everybody's got a good vibe. It's nice to see they're happy to see everybody whether it's darkness everybody's Happy Nice people very I'm happy to help. I'm happy to help but I'm just trying to promote the thing that we all want we all want you know. It's not like trying to show people something they don't want everybody. Nobody wants family. Everyone who wants Brotherhood sisterhood. Everybody wants like a nice community. Everybody wants to feel good but like some people think i. Everybody has imposter ostrich syndrome to men when you when you meet. Famous people had a phone call the other day with Johnny Depp. You did me and Johnny Depp talking on the phone. I'm like what is going on in my fucking life from. I'm here having a phone call with Johnny Depp on the podcast. Oh I don't know this. I just want to talk to him. It was just cool conversation. Really good guy. He's a nice guy. I'm I'm a big big fan. He's a he's a sweetheart of nominal. But it's like talking to him on the phone like what is this life and people every even I bet even Johnny Depp feels like he's full shit. Everybody feels like a front as soon as you pull the curtain. Oh Yeah and whenever you saw cure fraud like yeah. You're right. Everyone's everyone everyone I guarantee you Daniel. day-lewis probably feels like a fraud. Sometimes it's imposter syndrome. Everyone gets it but talking to Johnny Depp. You're like what is having what is before that was Connie with that was weird to to you. That was an insane to that was weird. It was real weird. It's weird. I met Paul McCartney wants the Improv. I I was like hello. What in the fuck my doing staring at you? How are you a real thing? How you really Paul McCartney crazy? I didn't even sit around and talk to them. Just said hi moving moving to stand up to house. He can handle it. Paul McCartney gets really bummed Out who did like the Caitlyn Jenner thing out at me. No have you ever talked to those guys on the podcast. Anyone said no or you. Don't even push should Powell is an interesting one because I've talked about it. Yeah no Mike. No no rick. Chapelle Pelle motherfucking his his his cousin. Dave is You Know David said he's like I'll do it sometimes. But I don't know you know and I was like dude I hear you. I don't do anybody else's a male have any time I would you. Yeah anytime and second of all I get him in you say enough with your comedy. And it's like Davis a smart guy. Man He figured it out. He figured out where was slipping away when they were fucking with him when he was doing Chapelle show and he was like you know what you sit back for a bit depth for a bit and started. Do you know what he did. When an artist Dave chapelle is he wasn't scheduling shows? Instead he would bring a speaker to the park. I know in Seattle. He'd set up a fucking speaker do an impromptu standup show and everybody was like what is going. On and at the time he could have filled up arenas man crazy I mean still can for sure still can still does the ones I did with him. Were phenomenal. We had so much fun but he decided to take time off. He decided that. Like let me just sit back and you know this especially at the level. You're to step away is probably the hardest to say knows by the hardest thing. He's our biggest genius. He's our biggest comedy genius. And he might. He might be one of the biggest comedy geniuses ever but he's certainly our biggest comedy genius. Today he understands comedy like like nobody else. Did you hear what he said. Trevor Noah was on a show and they ask them about opening for Dave Chapelle and Chapelle bottom on a bunch of dates and Trevor. No is like like Hugh saying he is. I mean I'm fairly good at stand up. I'm not the Bass but I've been stamp awhile now He goes. I'm in the Green Dave Chapelle and he goes and I'm thinking why the fuck would really had me open for it. Like he has all these guys like great comics so he said that to him he goes. Hey Man why the fuck you have me at your shows before he was a you know a million comics. I find any funny. There's a ton of funny people. There's a ton of funny comics. He is funny and in an interesting so to your point. He's like like we can go to dinner. Like your instinct person and people care about instinct people. So there's guys that can bring out. We were going to murder but they're not an interesting people don't care you're you can murder in your interesting. That's why you're here today. If that was an accurate quote funny what is cool man cheese the Kings said I'm here because of really smart Donohoe son stance. He started his podcast. I tried to talk him into it for literally a year really. I think I started talking about it last i February or something like that February march was. When did he do the podcast? The first time you tell them to do a podcast on like what are you doing man you funny. He's more for this about anything you can ramble was February okay so almost like whatever that is ten months so ten in eleven months ago you gotta go and finally got going so funny. And he's doing it with Kate Quigley which is perfectly nice amick yes perfect and have someone bounce. It's off Shit Bill Byrd Chris or Deh Leeann just speak into the MIC. That's special yes. He do that he has done that. But it's better to have cake quickly boundaries. I vote. Kate understands like comedy she knows what he's doing a show. He goes on a random. You know it's perfect you know. She'll bring people there herself Alf. So she'll bring people to the podcast help starving podcasts and finally as Whitney Cummings I know two cores. Illness should've been doing it a long time ago. Oh curry she's another one she do other people's podcasts. Prepare should one of the rare people would prepare for podcast. Shit talk about. She's so smart. She's one of the most ambitious people in in an interesting way. Not ambitious like wants to be famous no but wants to complete projects. She's always like bomb in the middle of directing this documentary on on on. What are you talking about directing your directing documentaries are? Our neighborhood is in Thompson girl like it's all of us right. There man to vortex broke ties. Tom's girls dance video. Yes it's fantastic. Row The annual holy shish and he said the director want him to step down take a gun and keep Hsun. Oh my God and Tom was like all right down the the the there was too long. We cut that out just stabbing you. Yeah the stabbing thing is the way to go. Yeah but it's dancing I mean do condemn. He can dance. Your son do talk shows and Spanish guy. How crazy is that GONNA do a special in Spanish? You just did a special in Austin or maybe. He's getting ready to just you just you just filmed but that was on span. That's regular but he's a regular. That was the other thing I was thinking about this cowboy versus connor fight. That's the most Irish guy versus the most American guy. It's Bud light verse. Proper was actual bud. Not Bud Light Sir. How does your Budweiser? He's not trash. But Li- I but my shit a real shit shit fuck bud light. If you're eating clams or something you want something called. The Conquest Budweiser's proper whiskey. That's what I'm saying and I like my budweiser in a can. I like to normal plus two fantasy connor reaching for his whiskey while cowboys always reach first. Budweiser I mean. I guess I wish they would have done it in like Dublin or something like a giant stadium in Dublin. Where are they doing vegas well? They probably had an agreement with Vegas anyways. Anyway I think the thing about Vegas is like there's the most people calm it's easy to get to the most amount of hotels there make the most money make the most money make them. Yeah it's it's look look it's GonNa be fucking great I on TV or wash it live. It's going to be fucking great. I can't wait. And if connor ten you know can catch them early. It could be very interesting. I it's literally a sprint versa. Marathon cowboy a stick around five out for Connor Welterweight. It scares me man if cowboy. Oh boy can use his distance and he's very good at doing it. You know and he can avoid that straight left because cow connors got pissed and left hand. I think conners better with his hands but cowboys better with his feet. Also the one thing. Everyone's forgetting this couch can fucking wrestlemania phenomena suggestion. So yeah if he wants to pull that out the point of the fight he indefinitely do it to you. I don't think he's GonNa is the Mike. Perry fight opened a lot is because my Perez go rila guerrilla is fucking strongest shit and when when cowboy arm Bardem Mike. Perry sent him a picture of xrays of a broken arm. That wasn't really his arm. Oh really this is what you did in my arm. So it's like in in Hell. No really. Why didn't really break? His are strange guy traced hasty fake broken arm and the X ray and his arm was broken. They didn't like Perry do like twenty one point one percent of black and he started jumping. Then talk like interviews. That annoying what is happening Peres wild dude. He's hilarious but this is a Platinum tattooed on his eyebrow plan. Yeah I don't know he's hilarious. Wild real fight coming up. Yeah who's he findings. Funny someone good right. Jeff Neal Fighting Jeff Neal Yeah ooh. That's a good fight. Jeff Neal really sweet. You know who we leave out when we're talking about welterweight it's so fucked up Leon Edwards eight in a row. Well how about Mazda fucking sucker punches own it cuts his face and they're in the you know the the middle of this whole thing after he knocks out till now and he's in the heat of this but it gets no traction. There was a Whatever they actually got in a fight straight fight and everyone's like yeah? Leon nobody knows. Sorry yeah I know. But he's he's he's very well he beat cowboy by decision but cowboy was sick going into that fight. You not say Leon couldn't have won anyway but the guy who never pulls out of a fight well cowboy pull out of a phone. Never you'd have to be on. Death's door again. He he's he's been a yes man for the. UC's gone through so much shit and wait on three days notice and fight. He's a yes man it was like he's just down to fight but but sometimes it's not for the best of his career career like when he fought Mazda in Denver some time hometown after the Mike Brown we like. Did you suffered a lot of damage like dude fighting hometown. Whatever four weeks later yeah all right? You know what I'm saying like that usually you're 'cause you're doing to be honest with you get to the title. That doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm positive the Dane is actually told them that to some some at certain points blaming Dan. I think that he wanted fights were Dana. was like look just slow down. I'm sure but I guess wild go wild dude but it's paid usually it doesn't pay off. It's paid off. He got his Golden News Goose. Well he's in an interesting stage where he's doing a lot of fights so he's really comfortable fighting right fighting. I'm very regularly. And he also at that age where his brain and his his knowledge of fighting his fight. IQ Is at its highest. Was Body still hanging in there hanging in there. But there's a fine line where it's let's say he got knocked out by gate. You're right yeah so let's say a connor knocks on. What's he doing exactly because you're in? He's like thirty six now. How old sixty seven so this is you know? This is the area right from thirty. Six to forty is where you see you know. Some Guy's Bernard Hopkins it and they just fucking eat nothing but grilled chicken with perfectly cooked vegetables Jonathan. Most except he's the most odd exception because Bernard Hopkins was elite as a boxer with no drugs. No nothing also also on the charts off the charts. He's like yeah yeah. MMA really can't get away also could control the pace where he could dictate like how fast you guys fought so nobody could just put a pace on him and then you know it's a different animal. It's a completely different animal. And the only guys have really made it successfully deep in their forties. We're not on the match. No omit off staffers tough and you know the early days of fighting lightening man. You gotta realize like the early days. Everything has to have an asterisk everything. Every of is the wild west is like everyone did it because the level playing field speaking of what you see vetoed getting ready for one. FC Hell Yeah he's back he's back to get get some is throwing fast combinations. Look at juicy to ask. I love that big again wait. is He fighting fighting to five to I five right. This is the voice the duties good. How many more years do you think he can have under those looser guidelines? Think does it for three more. They won't even let you saw it in the country to watch how you get get out now but we don't even Out Out get. But we don't have anything to do with out out out Singapore out. That's right he's one championship. Yeah of course he is come on son just says that down there helping them. Why wouldn't you zone impaired? Take my purse perfect. I'm eating whole foods going class. Yeah the killing it. Each sage is gonNA fight again to. He's going to drop down to fifty five so here he is getting ready. Oh Yeah Dude. I mean he's thick and he doesn't I have to cut weight. So that's where it gets interesting because you know you gotta realize that vitor has been fighting in the UFC at one hundred eighty five pounds for all all the big fights. The fight with Anderson he lost and then the Anderson fight you know he was a little smooth in that fight. He didn't look like the Vittorio. Toured fought Iraq or veto that fought Michael Bist Ping or Henderson Dow was the Thick v tour. So we're dealing with a different animal. What poor souls souls GONNA fight vetoing the Jews Hayman? I mean isn't enough at this age. You know. Is it enough you know. I mean they've got some straight up murderers over in one. AFC They do you do that. fucking guy knocked out Eddie Alvarez. What's his name? saryu kin kin. Or how about the brand Barrowman like killers not not sorry. Yuki and what is his name. Oh Nasty Akin. That's his name. I think it's Timothy Nasty Yukon. This fucking Russian savage awards over there was also. You'll see you know not so been asking on the bus but you'll see went one championship. That's your best come on over. Yeah but I think I think they did at the. I think it paid off for the because you wouldn't have Mazda superstar without what happened Ben. Aspirin I think Ben you know it worked for both one champ ship and UFC. It worked out yet for sure in work for Ben to meet a lot of money. Percents see if ben had left Bell Tower and concentrate. You have see things would have been very interesting harm. The paint for Ben We got starched. headstarts is a tough guy starts and then strangled pay. It's a tough world out there and you know we found out that he needs a fucking hip replacement. He does connecting them with Dr Weird and they'll get Panama. I love but also you know people dog what about now. What about the guy who was retired had everything going for him where where he's living has the wrestling camp was like? Yeah all right. I'll fight the best. The best. Do right away just for him to do that yet. Tip your hat to the Guy Fucking insane and Super Nice guy very smart guy to really well educated all the shit talk. That's all an act. It's Benza great dude. Smart Smart Guy. Why isn't the best idea to at the moment? Although what'd you say talking chip Tamaz Vidal wasn't it well. But that's that's his game. He's not going to tune in just a pure wrestler. Yeah Dude some guys. Muslims like what his long guys eating mad about. Maswadeh I'm sorry how about Ben Askin in Verse Damian Maya the strike and I was like what the fuck is happening right now. Yeah Road ground you to right now. What is this? I'd Rather Watch Logan podcasts. And why is this happening. Well you gotTa Remember Damian Maya beat Mazda all the one of the last fights that Mazda all lost was no he thought he'd be Glenn Notre Dame in mind. I don't think back remember and they restarted. I think Damian Milo one that decision. I'm pretty sure I Jimmy Lost Wonderboy Thomson I think he lost the WBZ Dame. I did he think yes. No no no no. No no positive Mazal no no Moslem Damien. WHO's in my mind? I tried to remember want might WANNA decision. Yeah he gave me my one. Yeah go to your brain and I remember. He lost a really close one to wonderboy slow sales. What's interesting about the the Muslim day my fight? It's rare my head is back and submit them true which is insane. Well you know where my fucked more than any other time in his entire career is when he had Kamara months. Oh so ugly. Day To this day I'll be driving my fucking car. Horry Maswadeh Damian mile loss burns earns like a fucking STD's sometimes I'll be driving. No Bullshit driving on the road and I think Damian my having Kamara wants back in the referee stepping in I go like this fuck just driving. If someone saw me driving they would think that I have some personal thing. I'm dealing with your the money or I'm just driving on the road. Thinking about that Ref Poon Damian. My Osman's back and I've scope fuck thousand saying it was so dumb insane. It's like he he got right to the spot. That's the spot next thing. You know who knows what happened. Is that the spot. But it's his his best in the world. You're the best and it's early. We're in the first round own. He doesn't even slippery yet. You call the Daming Baskin fight. Not I knew that I was like no. No doom is GonNa Strangle Damian Damian my has world class on the ground and Ben eventually wants to go to the ground what does he want to do. Have a kickboxing fight is going to be moments where he wants to go to the ground. Okay now if you look it would and this is obviously different. Because it's just it's just grabbing him but he rolled with Marcelo Garcia. Have you watched. Marcela Garcia Strangle Ben Aspirin over over and over and over again. You realize there's levels to everything if there were just in a wrestling match. Yeah Ben asking probably beat them but this is not a wrestling match this. MMA with strangles and Damian. Mine is going to get his back. That's what I was thinking. I was like he's GonNa get his back. Also is pretty similar to straight JUJITSU. Because ben or Damian aren't really not in house on pounding vying for position to grapple so Dan's can entertain the grappling with Damian. Maya's slip up. He's going to slip up. And that's what I felt like he wasn't going that'd be able as Hickson gracie would say couldn't keep the rhythm dude. How the transition's were I-if foaming at the when they were stealing like Youtube? Fuck and drop down right now. Yes topic God damn it. The only thing that made sense to me as maybe dame my thought Ben aspirins Chin would be soft because he was so brutally kayode just four for months ago. Maybe because that has happening right you remember went travis. Luder fucking knocked out cold with one punch that same Doodoo. Vitor Belfort cut a giant hole above his head. He was a super jacked. Really powerful black dude. God Damn it or can't remember his his name. PULL UP TRAVIS LUDER NOT EASTMAN Marvin Eastman exactly. Will Marvin Eastman fought. Travis Lutheran Travis later caught Marvin Eastman with a punch at the very the end of the punch. It was one of the weird knockouts. You'll ever see. Go back right here right area watch us. Oh very end of the punch variant of the punch. It's strange but but Marvin Eastman had been kayode. The word was killed twice in camp with Tito got hit with a knee during takedown defended Kayode and he got hit with something else. That was the word. I don't know if that's true if it's wrong. Forgive me but it's not. The Travis Luder couldn't punch he certainly could but that one didn't make sense now not touched him I and he just went out so sometimes guys who've been kayode recently you know it is they just can't it just doesn't work anymore you know. Maybe think David Maya May. Baby thought that van asking took ticket shot that scare when that happened the training camp because they're like fucking like two or three weeks away. Now you know you're not gonNA be healed so you go into the fighting knowing you're vulnerable. Yeah it happened before I fought Rothwell. End Up knocking me out but before that two weeks a week before my last barring such Shane carwin knocked me literally cold like a world week away and then you coach like I'll be all right man shake it off the in hindsight. Why would you guys let me fight? Dude why would you let me fight that. Well also why Shane Carwin trying to knock you out. Yeah it was back in Mike what he hit so hard that do hit so hard. He's a guy who didn't get his day in the Sun. Either you know he had that lost leser. We came out. Fuck leser up in that first round but then he just gassed out. He just lost all juice he was so he was Sa- put up so much energy trying to stop leshner so much he just fucking gonNA stop their fight too easily. Could stop that fight and not to her and they were both champions. He was the interim champ. Frank Yeah you crushed frank. Mir there with a ruthless series of uppercuts. Memory held him with one arm corner. faulk Dude Fuck Dude. That was terrifying. That was with Shane. Carwin was he was at his peak. He was starting before that he starts. Gero cons. One Punch after you had a broken nose. Gonzaga broke his nose fucked. His nose was up. Yup Shamed popped up when Shane hit with six inch. Right hand cool story like this bike. Show lights out. And then how about Gonzaga and bigfoot Silva flat career knuckled. That's how they're doing on a bare knuckle in Gonzaga piece big silver yeah. It's hard to not good big. bigfoot facility was a guy that when they made him get off the test remember that that was the rudest thing ever. Because this route is also. Don't fight if you have to have that snubbed. Off The money. He needed the money. No I'm saying like if you remember him on. TRT You're such a nightmare crush fatal huge crush fade radar. Remember that ankle. Lock on him he just his his failures like hugging on his big toe. Go like this yeah. I'm fucked out. Padar fucked up. You let a guy get on everything. You're literally fight a giant. Also the Nice Guy in the World Super Nice Guy but he Australia them in a real reason take test when you take him off of it. He had an operation on his Patou Iglesia tumor. Yeah hit a tumor. That was I mean. He was literally producing too much growth hormone. That's that's why you become a giant like that. So then he has this tumor removed and now is is not producing anything so we have to take stuff but they see can't take stuff so he's just fighting it's mark hunt when he's on. TRT and they just went back and fo- heavyweight find time afterwards. Tested shot. Yeah he does it hot. Yeah by train with bigfoot to get ready for big dog and I didn't know they're like best friends and I'm training with them. This guy's guys great next day. I'm like fuck bigfoot. I see a picture of him on instagram with big knock. Oh boy so he went to test you out. I just think he came in and was I use the same. I know he's training there. I don't think he was like bad intention. I think he was like all right. If you want to try and go ahead do. He didn't get on top of fate or when he mounted fater I was. It's like holly in that picture of Jude. A giant on top of this kind of fat Russian dude. He was a he was a building. He was a building planted on his chest. Not Shaking that off three hundred pounds Verron DC flautam. And I go do you fuck them up. Because how can you miss. How can remiss he goes? That's easiest fighting the world. How do you miss one shoot? They both land his head with this wall and when you catch Agai to catch him in his career in all in like what kind of testing are we talking about the reality of like Ami MMA pre-usa data is all when you catch them in. What kind of testing? Yeah what's speaking testing. How about you boy offering fight Saturday? Don't don't fuck in Rosenstone. Is it. Strike or stroke strike strike. Yeah he's a banshee. Yeah he's a beast he kayode Andrea last with a left Hook fadeaway left took his last fight. One Punch Serious Power Really Nice Guy to is nice real nice. Curiously no but cool name Jar. Zeno Jersey Rosen. Strike God'll academy. I would have to go to Jon Jon Anik to see them saying it right right but I'm pretty sure it's roses destroy. Group Rose Strike. Six flags varies guy. He's one of those guys where you look at the other leg reach thing now now. He's one of those guys when you get a guy who's you know. I think he's nine thousand nine hundred. I mean you know he has to. We don't know but this tale ratio eighty percent fuck man and he's a legit to sixty plus you know. He's a legit giant deer fucking crazy. If you don't think rose in stroke and Francis Mantis are going to face off. Who would I wanNA see? Honestly I WANNA see Francis fighting boxing a really do how dare you a really do a really do a really guy like wilder. Well not right away. I don't think that would be smart. No I think you just have a few boxing fights but I think Francis could put people on the moon. That's a fact you get. Some dude is not going to take him down there. Just GonNa stand in front of him. It's two hundred eighty plus pounds right now. Chef has been lifted muscle dude. He's such a specimen he's such a free and I mean he's got a story that is literally right right out of a movie. He was a child working in the fucking sand mines. digging sand that is core that its shoulders lags that it back that kind of strength training as a young person doing that every day that farmers strength Shit. That's for real for real. Go against the farmer. Exactly Guy Sand Shoveling Strength Mike. Top former strength because farmers aren't always doing that sand doing it all day long lead diamonds and I can take it to Matt. I love hate shots. Here's what throughout Francis to offset is loss right. Lost St the Bay and then The Derek Lewis whatever. That fight was whatever I WANNA race. Yeah but so. He loses to stay he gets catapulted into the limelight. He's he's pretty cocky. Thinks he's GonNa Start St Bay but then he learns from his losses and you look where he's at now he's like. Oh Shit this guy's GonNa be champion. Yeah similar thing happen Darin tail. Oh Man I went to see I saw the junior Santos fight in a pool hall. I was with some guys and we're playing poll and we stopped. I said this one won't last. Oh yeah this is not gonNA last. Junior is a great fighter. But he's just his style is the wrong style to stand in front of that fucking guy. He'll have some perceived miles on them. There's a he's a shell of what he used to be in. France is just on this terrain but hair sub. There's sometimes there's losses that happen for guys where you're like. Oh man like they needed does huge bumps in their in their career. Where it's GonNa make them? It's GONNA pay off in the end. I think it has happened with Francis. That happen Darin. Till now as well. I don't know if Francis dances can immediately beat top level boxers but I know that if they put him against some guy. WHO's like a journeyman who's GONNA stand starch them in health and he'll start a bunch of those guys and shows people get super excited? I WanNa do that but your time out different animal if you were to go in there like the wilder fury which which is almost ridiculous to say but that's where comedy employed but you know or even Mazda while timeout. Oh I WANNA fight Cannella Nath Canal. What the fuck it? What are you talking about? So but I I think with Francis if you put them in there with a guy like wilder or fury. They seem big punches before man he's not going to touch him. There's just a different level but I you might be if he's also older so I duNno. Fury is a perfect example of a guy. That's extremely hard hit. He's so light on his feet. He POPs Jabbie so well schooled. One of the things that I saw when when I watched the fight again was like how how well he was slipping punch masterclass in Boston. Good Oh by far. The most skilled skilled heavyweight we Sinatra. How long and six nine in things? He's so tall and it just POPs out jazzy. Worked with till Yes yes. Tillis fought to like and he was like I want a real workout. Give me what you guys were due until holy fuck of course man and now imagine him with four ounce gloves lighten your Chin Up. He's just too fast but it's whether or not he would ever be able to stop like steeping takedown. DC's take down or any real heavyweight wrestling now now now they've been told it was smashed. I don't know why everyone wants to cross pollinate. Stay there I think the guy who can have the most success Francis Francis because I really think the Francis before he gets to the elite levels. He's GonNa start a lot of people I don't know if he can punch his wilder. I don't know because while there's punches crazy insane insane but so is Francis. If France anyone would that left hook I don't give a fuck if he's wearing one of those cartoon gloves that you get away five pounds. You know those ones you get Tom. But here's the thing you know who ate his punches. steeping did but steep a moved away and uses wrestling be still thebike. Fuckin- can rock steep a do this. He asked album amazing. But what how much different would that fight beef if it was just a boxing match. That's trouble if there was no take downs at all he could settle in. Maybe who knows. Maybe Steve would have fought a different fight. What do you think steep steep? ADC The rematch. Is that definitely going to happen. They confirmed that. I think Steve might sound crazy deeper. He's got an injury that he's dealing with that I think am I fucking crazy firm. I showed him. I don't think it's confirmed. I think they're both agreed to it but it hasn't been confirmed. It hasn't been signed sued. Wait till John Goes. Hold my fuck in Barron coming up the heavyweight. I've seen what that man does the heavyweights in training. Well you know the Johnny Walker thing was what was really interesting right is is really interesting to see if Johnny Walker could make a big splash but then people forgotten. God Damn Good Corey Innocence. They forgot about your hi cage fuck you knock a lot of guys out. They don't give a fuck. How good are you right now and do you have a solution to it? Corey Anderson Brings tables beats me. He's a beast. He's a beast got incredible work ethic. He doesn't get fucking tired and he gets better with every fight and people forget forgetting. It's better go. But you've got to watched lear Latifah fight. Shut that guy down stops Johnnie Walker. He's beating top level guys man. How `Bout Lativa heavyweight now? I know I'm not crazy. Steep amyotrophic wants Tyson fury super fight more than Daniel Cormie trilogy. Of course he does Billion Dollars Bill Not Seaman wait for his rematch. So make way too. Then he's probably talking. Show both you fight to your nuts. Hang on just fucking make it happen. Uh I don't know if that fight happens again happens again. We'll talk. I'll tell you what I know. Yeah please do yeah just a matter of time for Jonga's I am. I'm ready to go and just fucked up. Well John Heavyweight Dear God make it happen. Oh my God what do you think about John Versus Francisco every fight start standing ending up. Man Yeah does Francis terrifying terrifying Ken. John get in there fast food. He's cutting weight to make to sixty. I five understand that. Oh wait cutting weight. And he's putting people on another dimension hundred unimpressed power punch it one hundred percent however he ain't seen nothing like that guy no nothing kicks his leg and that guy comes storming in like a bat out of hell throwing punches that each one of them has concussion written all over it each one of them got anything lands on anybody and you're a tool fiber. I mean the best to a five of all time. No doubt but if we saw john get left hooked like the way we saw Gregor Gillespie get head kicked. Just flat line dumps and San Shut. Got Out the glitzy. I know I was thinking as a really fight for Kevin Ja. Kevin Kelly phenomenal. Well listen man. The training with Frost Cross a hobby and making that move. Gabriel camp real spying game plan and a real real maestro to a master. You have to have to have it today if you can in competing against the best one of the best ever. I told them I'm like that's the guy who trained the guy who you fight like the most. Go there be that guy. Yeah move to Coalesce Montreal. No black people. They speak French French. They rap in French Of you ever heard French wrapping. Oh Yeah. That's all durable. GSP plays in his car. Nothing terrible could you please switch the station. GSP's still training still training still tiptop Magoo's looking for a big fight. Yeah he said look. I'm here boys. What do you want to do? He wants to be sixty-five brow him and could be at one. Sixty five would be gang busters insane and he can make 165. He thinks he made fifty five. Let's say dillashaw dillashaw. Jesus Christ when teach you know like I don't know what Tj was doing before he was doing this 'cause busted yeah because You know they don't test for repeal every fight they don't now they don't get caught. Cody Cody Garbrandt. said that it'd been on it before. Cody Him of France. I don't know if that's true but I do know that when you look at the way. He looked when he was training for that. One hundred twenty five pound fight. He looked like he was a dead man walking. I couldn't imagine that he had any energy train. I can't imagine it almost understand what he would take. Something almost understood exactly. I said Adam except if Kotel truth of cody said it before the not MALFA issues with TJ. And they've assumed he was on before I don't know who to believe. Is that the case or was he friends with Codeine codeine new. I don't know I don't know either way again props to use OUGHTA because they're catching people doing doing shit like that. Look he should have never gone to one twenty five terrible idea. I mean that guy. This training him that guy. WHO's that master strengthen conditioning coach to put together this diet drop down one hundred twenty eighty five pounds? That's all good on paper okay. That's all good on paper and I know he's trained a bunch of really top level eight hundred percent. That's a ridiculous idea. That's wait wait. There's that also Josie Alice team. WHO's like no he can make one thirty five? I'm like he looks like he's lost weight to hang up forty five but he looks like he lost a lot of way to be seen in recent pictures of them. Nope don't need to because here's the thing like Oh you were you know yet. Kind of peace at forty five. And you're older do. Let's cut a shit ton of wait and see how that goes. But here's the thing. Why fifty five? I hear what you're saying but I don't think he's actually cutting weight. I think what he's done to lose weight lose weight like running going slowly because he's way out from fight right he's he's already fighting December for fifteen Marlin Moore is. Is that what it is. Yeah that's fairly soon to get fight. ZILLION Brazilian crime. Nothing Better Dude Marlon Lynn. Before say Huda got a hold of him he louis a world beater like he was going to beat the worst Hoodoo Baraga broken moreau. That fucking will on him son. Put that will on them. So here's the question is Marlin marines in a similar situation where he just can't maintain a pace after cutting that much way because Mariah's cuts fuck load wait there. It is drained. Amanda Me Peterman Ura Amanda Nunez in me is. That's a fight. The people are not talking about enough Durand Emmy is good. She's super technical when she refused to fight burns. Yeah I'll give up. The bill is nice. Now you can kiss ass assist Dutch as interested dude vocal ASCII verse. That's always a good fucking fight. You ever see vulcanology when he's two hundred and forty s fantastic music is five forty. He's from his e Saint Camp Yes is an animal and mcelroy. Max Holloway Consensus Greatest. It is further weight of all time of all time he's the best beat the shit out of Aldo twice life. beat the shit out of Tak- no keep going. Oh and one more John John. Kamara use modern koby COVINGTON. Now John Jones is the what is that. which is he is that the other big one is right? It's February Houston who Komo News. Monaco becoming give me again. Let me say that again to agree. Smarter Colby covered in Good Luck Colin. That when they're I don't know both both their styles very similar. The only difference on that you can really see neither guys ever been taken down a fight ever but I would give the finishing power to tomorrow's Postman. He has some power. He here's some power but Cohen with Robbie lawler. I have just struck. Yeah Yeah Insane. Well not only that that puts a face on that. You just can't handle you can't handle it but if anybody can handle it it's that guy because thing ballot woodley. Yeah takedown defense. One hundred eighty percent Kamara. WHO's Mon- hundred? Fuck is coby seventy. Who took him no took him down? Maybe he's I didn't get submitted. Get a broken rib. Took fight early in his career injured a thing to get into the UFC losses at submitted. I WanNa say it was his first fight. Go to Colby COVINGTON's I fight in the octagon gone. That's what they're gonNA do Woodley on Edwards. Ooh just hit me. That's a tough tough guys. Good fight very good fight. It does it guillotine who I fight. Oh he was. I made an eight and one who's talking about for in the UC eight and one in the AFC. How many fights in was it? Two three four fifth fight really. Who did it or Lee Alvin Alvis? That's that's right. That was the fact that he got injured Worley. Alvis was a beast kinda fallen off but he was. He was a beast but did I'm assuming colby shot in while. Kobe went into that fight with the fucked breath. I know that for a fact but did he shoot guillotined. I don't remember all fucked. You know he was. He was hurt. I know for sure And then who did he. He fight after that. Because let me tell you the fight that made him put on this act put his record put it up on quick into the first round was yeah well. He's fucked up. I know for sure he was fucked up going to that. Fight those who fight. He didn't want to take him in tailored clothes and shows like come up with a stick did do you think so hundred percent again sees me that little bigger. My shitty is Go they'll scroll up. Okay there it is there it is it was. I think it was When he was was it? When he was fighting Damian my these talking shit or is that Sao Paulo Yup? That's exactly what exactly. So he's fighting Damian filthy animal. Yeah you call them filthy animals holiday. Apparently what was going on before then was he was not making enough noise. There was no one gave a fuck about him. And you know they're in the middle L.. A. Contract negotiations and I think they were threatening to cut him. So he says all kinds of crazy shit about Damian Meyer and people pay attention the okay okay. How about what is we'll give you another Brazilian? So they give them Field Asandra he beats the fuck it off L. Designers and like Holy Shit. Wait a minute here. Blandon minute so in doing that he wins the interim title and then there was a bunch of Shenanigans. They wanted him to fight in Madison Square Garden. He said look. I can't fight back to back that quick. These are hard ask camps. They strip them a lot and and shit going shifts then they bring back against Robbie lower big combat fight. Robbie lawler is a murderer right one big fight on. ESPN and he just yes runs him over man runs over like Robbie never got air he never got air. We just stayed on on state on liquid is Record write that lasts six. Six five lasts five all decisions. So it's like if you're getting all this finish but what he's doing a guys like Damien Mind Dos Anjos Robbie lawler so fun to watch watch. He's breaking news. He's this is crazy. October of two thousand seventeen. So it's basically two years old this act and I I can't I can't wait for him to drop it. I can't wait for him to drop it. Once it becomes a champion telomerase going eight. You know why he didn't keep it going because he he wants to go to. WWe Does he think 'cause smart not magic I won't go. WBZ becomes a champ and then goes wwe and they put him on all the steroids royds. Why not and then get him up about two forty? Keep the hat keep going to be sent make bank show. Yeah tell them to show you pussies how to really fight fantastic about him him versus listeners. You'll you'll see that you'll see that less their fight a little do the other day. We'll be talking crazy. That's what he wants to do. A man can make money. You know at a certain point time you gotta go a you know. He accomplished a lot. He's accomplished a lot home. Sent if he decides if he beats on how to keep this guy because everybody knows fighting. You know it's a finite window like how are you going to do next. And nobody knows what his body's like right now as far injuries. And how many guys do you know that are in camp that have one fucked up knee. You're weird shoulder or the neck keeps fucking for his skill set that motor motor that grind like he's a grinder. So you've got to have it all men. I would like to watch his strength conditioning workout. 'cause it must be fucking insane must be insane because even hoary Mazal off record on talking Khanum I go. What do you think about coby? We've trained together. Goes never seen a motor like that ever in my life he can go and you can go. He can go he put it on. Robbie law can nursing ever seen anybody put it on the pace. The pace was just insane. He just never gave him any air just kept on bang. Bang and I go I go will you use gone. I'm fifty sixty percent he goes. Yeah finished sixty percents volume just never never thrown full blast to stay in on you. Nate Nick deal started along next started. Nick start if you go back to watch his fight with frank shamrock. He just never gave frank shamrock and he breaks exploding volume until he it gets you hurt then. He starts rep into the body the body and he starts letting you know. I'm not even a little tired bitch and you're exhausted starts putting it on you. It's on in to the Nate Diaz thing. I think you know Congo's WANNA fight three times in two thousand twenty. I think he goes if I had a crystal ball Scrooge mcduck of the AFC. I think he goes Cowboy Mazal an ended with Nate Diaz. Money money money money money money. Why not right because I I think Tony Bieber tie one fifty five for a while. I think those those boys go back and forth. I think it's GonNa be great trilogy for the divisions. I'm so excited right about that fight. That's my that's my number one fight of the year number one five. Don't you about anything else. I need that it's in April. It's in Brooklyn and might not even happen. Oh crap I'm I'm saying that because there's no way I could predict that's why we get cancelled so I'm saying that the funding meets the fifth. Actually happen I know see you know. It'd be great if the just doesn't tell us and end the week before the. Oh I could be the Saturday like Oh fuck. Yeah I'm using reverse psychology title. Sometimes we jinx fights did. I'm serious about Francis in Ghana though. I think he can be a real heavyweight contender and boxing. I agree that's the one thing I'm not fucking around about. I want anybody to get twisted. I really think that guy is so fucking hard hard. And he's so good at fighting now and he's so good at fighting high level you know he's been fighting in the AFC against high level guys. I know it's different but I don't think there's that much in the judgment when you think about his primary skill set and the division he's talking about you don't think he'd start some of those like top fifteen guys he get fucked some of those dudes. It's up your Goddamn mind if louder. I'm not saying right away. Not Saying right away got you got to build an experience under your belt. You gotta see some fireworks. How many pro boxing fights is even have not many think about any? I don't even know Conrad Zero and you fought the best ever Echo. Although he did some like I told Asia beautiful left uppercut Francis Lands on wilder fury. It's game over. It's interesting maybe not maybe our take it. Maybe they can maybe he can you know I heard them maybe they can roll with it a little bit. Better wilder takes dude. That's the thing about wilder. He takes it. He's got a tremendous Sodas two-man Joshu Oh get hit. He's been wobbled before the daily white fight. He's been he's been wobbled. Man or click clack clock by Klitschko. That's I think a against wilder man. 'cause there's no Lil Watler Lyons it's game set match over what do you. What did you think about Cannella fighting? Sergei Kovalyov how crazy was that to flatlined Sergei Kovalyov at one hundred seventy five pounds goodness canal. He's he's pound for pound number one. He's his resume. Everyone goes you bud. Who I love but Crawford shot but but in Earl Spencer. Everyone goes that's pound proud in one or aluminum. Dude look at WHO. CANELLAS has beat man in different divisions. Did you timeout fucking more key guys. And he stopping them in the triple g fights off. See there's some controversy there but the real contra for the first one's very controversial the second one was not so much what's up at delayed his fight for them at the. AFC fight yes they did and he's mad at that he said no more because apparently people were tired man especially like East Coast. Could you watch it. I was yeah I watched it was insane. Yeah they delayed it four hours during the they show him in the back sitting there like what the waiting for at the end of the zone. There's just like how does how does played in the arena. This laugh my off. Who wrote that? Who wrote that tweet online impersonator riot? Let me shot him out. It says Choon Defense Imperatore Ryan facets into twitter. It says L. Ella Mayo Canal Kovolev Oval ever napping 'cause they gotta wait on the AFC. It's ridiculous like show. A little pride deserted Dana loved it loved it he was so happy I Abaza. UFC Guy Bitch. What this is? Who's king you got can you? Can you imagine Dana bowing down to go. And Listen Floyd's finding hiding we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA wait for the main possible. USC doesn't give a fuck what you got going. How is Nate Diaz? Verson Maswadeh was a special fight to and the thing about making it for the bad motherfucker belt almost like everybody was like yes. Why not why not you know? And now isn't you'LL WANNA you're gonNA fight John Whaling. Isn't she fighting her for the belt if they didn't give her that you want to say what's the female b. m. f- `bout she she by Jessica androgen rematch. Forty eight fucking fucking card card. So it's not been announced two. That's the one they think might be out Sonya and you'll Romero so. Dan said he didn't want that that. Fight Though Terminal Location Dana. Dana said he didn't want that fight because y'all losses last guy. I thought you said he did want it. No Dana said he personally Dana. Didn't think that was a good fight for your well. Well but think about what else is that. What a great fight for you I? I think it's I mean for Out of Sonya I think for the division but who else he can. Do you look at the division. There's no one else. Well one of the things things Maswadeh. WHO's friends with Yo l said I respect the fuck out of out of Sonya? Because he asked for that beast he said he asked for my point with Andrew Scholz. And like no. You don't understand to the bill. The legend of IZZY HIM ASKING FOR YO l everybody in the game respects that you wanna fight that fucking monster. Even Darren till Darren till said anybody but you'll L. Jugular out. Don't WANNA fight. I think during do Dan till whitaker man. That's a great fucking fight. They talked about doing them on the undercard Outta Sonya Yoel Romero. Yes was not no no no no no the now's the undercard of another fight. Fuck what he say. He reached out to O'Connor and cowboy. That's who it was. He wanted to be on the undercard of Qahtan not happening. I don't I don't think would or could be ready by then after again. What is the? What's the date on the January January Warren December right? But it's six weeks Dan till breaks out there's red panties invites Robert Whitaker. UFC Two forty. Six Coma Yeah. So that six weeks the only thing is Robert starched. Yeah just a couple of months so you get an one one hundred twenty days suspension right. Well I don't know if you've actually can make that medically nothing can happen. It's too soon also. I think a fight like that. What were you know a guy like just sort of starches you like that that requires a reset? Take your time do. Yeah but maybe not I mean maybe he knows better than us. I don't know I think so. I don't think so on the outside looking in say take your time. I don't think he does take time but I would like to see that fight too. So maybe they can make that happen on that March cartilage or maybe yeah maybe sometime in the future. There was a great April uh-huh card. Well right April do you have see in Brooklyn with Tony and Khabib maybe it could be on the undercard of that great. That's great fight like yeah. That's it's a good time to be a fight fan man time man. I'm good should have hell. Yeah Yeah I get home to my son. Do Not Fat K.. Dot Com next Friday and Saturday. And then yeah I haven't been I've only did the Stanford into newer one. I think I think next week. First Time I'm Borgata Atlantic City. It's a fun fun fun. Fun Excite for animals licensed prices are throwing money at the audience. Really hundreds probably two through ten thousand dollars the audience I love this brought onstage. Throwing money smell terrible through a lot of money if he's forgotten Casey. 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