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The Woke Brotha with Jamal Bandy
"There's no sense having a conversation with someone who who just can't even recognize the statement babies exist. Oh you're gonNA give me a break we're never gonNA get anywhere. He's not He's not having a normal conversation. We're going to move on to something else ridiculous. He's not interested in a conversation he's just an. It's an arguing. I an infant. I just know just trapped and find out the already decided as soon as I said you know. Housing would babies exist. If he's a hard time moving on John Johansen I was GONNA say he doesn't want to have a compensation you ask them a very simple question do babies exist. And he has to dodge yachts. I mean if you want yours is too simple. Will freaking question? Come on John's Little Lucy. I'm tired of these games. All those I kid you not man. You guys can't deny this you'll do anything to tell us what you really think John. Oh saying that Matt Matt all right. There's no all babies is apologetic. Live to answer your questions. Your host from striving for Eternity Ministries Andrew Wrath aboard right. We are live of politics live. I'm your host Andrew Report. I love that clip. Doesn't matter I could be in. The worst mood listened to that clip degree. Our guest apologised dramatic. Mandy requested that we gave them the choice. I The guys that are in the backstage. We play that clip. He gave a head nod since he's the guest where we played it for for his honor so John is in here in the backstage. He's a sick and his head is as we're listening to that but that is a real clip from a previous apologetic live. You never know what you might hear epic. It was. Yeah that was an epic. You know an epic episode so welcome to Apologize Live. This is so we do every Thursday night to answer your questions challenges anything. You may have force tonight. We're GONNA talk about well. Pretty heated topic some days. But it's it is the issue of being woke but before we get there Yuk. I just gotTa play this I let me let me just share this with you Oh I got to be a different browser. Sold move that over and we will play. I know soon as I'M GONNA trigger people soon as I share this. I realize that but all right well you ready to be triggered. John left he must be triggered. Already here we go look at that. That is one of the scariest faces. I'm just telling you We want to listen to what she had to say. I think this is today. I could be wrong but She she had some How do we say can we say words of wisdom for those of us who would like to get out of our house and and you know maybe go to work well let's hear the brilliance of Ao? See there's a lot that we could be doing right now but ultimately the I think we've talked about this idea of reopening society. We'd like to work only in America. Does the president when the president tweets about liberation. Does he mean go back to work when we okay? Stop everywhere in the world. People like to work and when you're restricted from going to work then yes that's exactly. What liberation means removing restrictions were being restricted? We can't work. Afc doesn't understand. The English language may be but she has even better brilliance for us. You ready for this. I am watching Jamal's face in the background. It's it's Hilarious is GonNa be fun seaweed. His reaction to this comes in you know. Have this discussion about going going back or the opening. I think a lot of people should just say no. We're not going back to that. We're not going back to working seventy hour weeks just so that we could put food on the table and not even feel any sort of semblance of security in our lives. Well there you go. That's what we should do know Samuel. Afc for you ladies and Jomon Wonderful Brilliance. So she thinks we should. We should stop going to work to put food on our table. How exactly is the food going to get on your table now? I got news for you. I'm willing to guess that. If she was still working her previous job she wouldn't be making any money and she'd be wanting to go to work to put food on her table. Because I don't know too many bartenders that get paid to sit at home. Yes that is her brilliance of a career. That got her to be an expert on all things economics yet so Afc says we should just stop going to work. How's the food on the table? Then not all of us got elected by some pretty dumb representatives represent people that voted for you because they voted you in and so she got elected and now she's got a paycheck for life. She never had the work. She's always going to get a paycheck and healthcare for life. But she wants to tell you as you sit at home you should just stay sitting there because somehow food is going to magically just come and land right in front of you so that you can eat. That's not the way the world works. That's just not a so what we're GONNA do tonight. I wanted to I WanNa do some things and if anyone wants to come in just to apologetic live dot com and you could join us in the room and ask any questions that we have that you have Give us any challenges that you that you may have but before we Bring in our guest apologised. I think the thing we should do here is just. Let's see if we share screen again because this is what we're going to talk about and I was thinking we just play. At least a couple of these outstanding videos will start with his latest. One awoke brother Exposes Racist Virus. Oh No it's been a while but I'm back with some more information coming to you straight from a wo- brother see now. This pandemic has happened. This racist pandemic call covert nineteen. A strain of the corona virus has communist plague our communities especially a black and brown communities. You don't believe me. Look at this tweet here from my sister my sister. Alexandra Cortes she is laying. You know with the truth days. 'cause y'all acting like y'all sleep at our lowest going on. Crm. WanNa see. I see I know matter of fact. Let me let me give some 'cause y'all y'all ain't practices so Disney y'all trying to kill us so let me put me. Y'All go trying to make us sick with here. Cove in nineteen think. Y'All full somebody. You Ain't fooling me and you ain't fooling Alexander and those Lakers look this. Dallas are disproportionately spiking in black and brown communities. Why because the chronic toll of red lining environmental racism wealth GAP EXCETERA. Y'All money that you money is causing us to die from Corona virus desk got money in environmental racism. See even environment can be racist. Y'All put us in these neighborhoods and stuff and you know if because we are certain neighborhoods that we're susceptible to more spread of this virus is because of y'All y'all white folks. Y'All hate us. Y'All don't want nobody know we know we know. And we're going to expose you these viruses exposed in it it is exposing like social inequality is a CO morbidity. Are We know that were beans? But it sounds like a sandwich all racist covert really should be drafted with the Lance of reparations. We still waiting still waiting in the entrance. That he's going to give us the stimulus package. Hey take it but eight reparations. We won't we won't more it needs to be more because y'all are disproportionally killing us all. I can hardly breathe behind his thing about pass out. But it's because y'all racism making me wear this mask. Well this shirt no massive stole. Golly even took autumn asked Macias mask up. So what can get okay? That's okay we're going to survive. We're going to make it like our people fall as dear. See y'all think y'all been another message brother Jamaa all right so we got up we so okay. We got to tell the story. This is James Hollies. Where did you find this guy? James has got to go to to prescribe truth on Youtube. Look up the prescribe the woke brother episodes. It's whole playlist. There's seven of them now. Well actually six one. Is You just responding to me playing it? But I figured that's a good way to explain what what woke Mrs Seattle Prescribe Truth. Guy Is but he be finding my video and getting me to come on his show to tell you the truth is y'all just try to make fun of my sister a courtes- when we tell you something they're going to come to our doorstep because of the white people going to bring us the food because serve us the black and brown communities because that would us about it. Don't worry about the money that she making. She can make money. Because that's a part of her. I guess that'd be Brown Miss. Yeah because she's brought her brownless best new blackness but she's not that brand. She's Brown enough. This is going to be so hard to keep a straight face to that so you had done a series of them you start. You had the first one that you did was a message to awoke brother and you had some reaction to that. This was this is one of the when I first got to to hear of podcast and I think the very first episode was you do before you did the second one and you were you. Were telling about how some people didn't know you were you. Were doing a parody. And they took serious and people were upset with you for for misrepresenting. Whoa kness should just tell us about that. I I call from both. Is those those who know me was saying that I was over exaggerating saying mischaracterizing the woke agenda and woke idea? But then those who didn't know me Thought I was racist. I had a guy literally come on my youtube channel. Lake Carson me. He's like you need to get up and do work the own work and I said Oh man charity I even had. We had a guy one of the guys. That's fellow podcast. Round the Christian podcast community had his his web. Developer went in developing the website and saw Christian. Podcast community wants to go check out to see who's associated with it and found your youtube channel at clicked on those episodes and he calls up. He's like you can't be hanging out with these guys. There's a totally believe in it that trip bs Obama. I think I happened to come on. And he was talking about the and I was like wow bringing it up and I was like. Wow that is so funny because it was I mean. It's so I try to be just a little bit. Overly too you know you should know is a parody because the idea is so there is things like for real well. You actually is believed when you when you listen to some. I mean you listen to. It could be believable because I mean she actually. I bet if we sent those videos too she priory tweeted and think it's real. Try that as an experiment. Okay so there may be folks that don't know what it means to be woke so let let us. Let's start there and again folks if anyone wants to come in whether you want to Whether you want to ask questions about being woken social justice or if you want to Talk about anything else. Just go to apologize live dot com and just join us and ask escalate but Jamal what well first off. You should introduce yourself. I should have started with that. Interest yourself your podcast and And then explain what woke Mrs so it was going on everybody. I'm Jamal Bandy hosts prescribe truth podcast also hosted a youtube channel called prescribe truth now. Basically what I seek to do is distribute the truth to this culture in our from the from a biblical Worldview Biblical. Amer form wherever you and So you start off of Youtube now. Came into podcast actually made it one year in podcast and so far so I'm very thankful that yes. All woke is being alert. If you have somebody give you a definition of what it is to be woke being alert to injustice just on a simple scale being alert. So that you're aware right because if you think about when you're awake you're aware and we asleep. You're not so those of us who are sleep because we're not aware of the injustices that are happening but those who are awake. They're they are aware of the injustices but specifically against black and Brown people not just injustice not injustice in general but injustice against black and Brown people and so. Yeah so we're not talking about in the past but today as today so There's a lot of debate. This is why a lot of us are accused of being sleep because a lot of us would disagree that there are certain injustices we all would agree that there are injustice do exist but in a degree of which allows in that area would call just as we would disagree. So yeah. I did a few videos. Critique Eric Mason. He came out with a book called Woke Church. And a few people did a critique of that eighty robe lists as one at Ramirez from pervert life. He did one Just just taking a book and I did a couple video on it as well and also did a a review of his interview on I can't think of the name of the pockets now. Lead in an interview basis discussing his book and talked about what woke is and displays some of the injustices that were given and it was just injustices as in like what the culture is doing to us as a one of the injustices gave not just let it go for now is fatherless-ness fatherless-ness in our homes in black and black and brown communities is an injustice. But it's it's it's an injustice not on the father who left or would be but it's on the justice of the state and only government white people are just one you know so just an may wonder one that I actually had I had a response. Who was when he talked about is an injustice when someone goes into get a loan and they can't get it so if a black man goes to get alone he can't get alone. Denisot justice because white ban can go in and get along and it's like there's so many holes in that you know you can take a mack truck but Anyway okay so so we end up seeing right off the bat it starts actually with its conclusion right. Woken is begging the question because it is you assume the thing you WANNA prove you assume that there is a racism and every white is racist. You assume that every black is going to be treated with injustice. I mean there's plenty of whites that don't get loans but you kidding. Yeah Yeah there are. Yeah I I know some. Yeah so the the reality though is that it's it's not because of color skin that people aren't getting loans typically it and actually. Here's an interesting thing that happened under Bill Clinton How the woke nece? You can affect things. The argument was as you just mentioned the example it was said that it was discriminatory to not give loans to African Americans that if they didn't get loans Somehow that was some injustice and therefore the banks were were forced by the government to give loans to people regardless of color. That couldn't pay them back because somehow they couldn't get alone it was discriminatory and so the banks being forced by the government to do loans had to start playing games with. How are they going to make this work? Because many of those loans people weren't paying back. They were defaulting on the banks. Were losing money on it. And so the government had an answer they created had their Fannie Mae Fannie Mac. Maybe you're familiar with that and then back in just before. Barack Obama became president toward the end of George Bush's term. We had the crash of this whole scheme that the mortgage companies were running but who forced him to run them. It was really the ideology of weakness of the idea that somehow people are discriminatory He had Bill Clinton actually had a number of things he He argued they. Argue is discriminatory for people in. There is a classified lab where they had technology like our nuclear technology and there was a Chinese spy who got into Get basic got into areas. He wasn't allowed to get to and the reason being is bill. Clinton found out that when you go into a classified lab where people are read into different departments you had to have badges that are color coded so that people knew whether you belong in that room or not and that was somehow discriminatory and so they remove that and here. This Chinese national was able he he. He was able to get a job in in in the first place but he shouldn't have been in the rooms. He was in but because they had no way of identifying he wasn't supposed to be there he was able to steal some technology and bring it back to China. Because that's how woke works. So this is there are people that take this very serious and I know I have someone who's related to someone in my church that is very much a social justice warrior and so and maybe I'll have him on sometime. We're GONNA we'll have a very entertaining Discussion but there's people that take this very serious You get attacked if you in in your position of not taking it serious. Why do you think that is well one? Because it's become a sense because I'm black so it should become assistant. I'll take you seriously I should And if I'm not taking this because obviously I don't care about black people I don't care about my own people you know. I'm sold out you know so to speak in And that's unfortunate as if there's so much in that man I we have to assume like you said this earlier. Heaven to assume that everybody is being raised. Every situation is because of racism is best. That's exhausting this is awesome but also is that it is not built on any truth is a sumptious in black. People is interesting because we don't like to be assumed upon like if I'm I go out I don't want nobody assumed I'm all make it because I have dreadlocks. I don't want nobody assume that I'm automatically if I if I'm looking at some kind of way I WANNA buy. I think that You know I'm I'm hood or we'll see I. I assume I assume you're thug. Because you are what's wrong with that. Will you gotta get everybody that you talked about on the show? Don't beat me up. Never but we don't like that we don't like that ourselves but yet it's okay to assume this about another person though the human being in. Oh and because they say well no. We've been treated this way all our lives and all this time. I haven't been treated that way. I'm well familiar with with. History are understand what happened back then but it is where I think the beauty comes in and knowing what the truth as concerning the Gospel who got is all of this comes back to it. Ah presuppositions comeback to it if you know. The Bible says about men's hearts than it's understandable. What happened back then. It's like okay. This was a time where people were being this way and there may be somebody today who is racist and everything else but the where there is racism where there is sin. We deal with it but I can't just assume somebody's races because you can't see. Racism is experienced. You know so. I can't look at another person that said that the races just because of the color of skin just like somebody can't just say. I'M A thug. Just because I'm black. Okay but one thing that you brought out in some of these videos right the fact that a couple of things one is the fact that people are preconditioned to assume everyone's racist so they're they're looking for it and because they're looking for it. I mean you use the example earlier in the show of someone getting a loan and someone not getting well. You didn't get the loan. Only because of this one factor there could be a lot of factors. I mean I. I've seen this recently with the president. The presidential briefings you had a reporter who there was The surgeon general who happens to be African American and he's talking trying to say hey. Go Talk Call Your Call Your family. Right he used terms of endearment that he uses within his own family and he call he referred to his grandmother as big Mama so later wrong they asked two questions they asked the question of trump and this was an African American reporter and she asked trump about why you knowing that the African American community is suffering from the corona virus. More than any other. And you know they just got done going through all the facts that they're having that because of the fact that they had people who were Basically because of pre existing conditions overweight diabetes high blood pressure are the three top ones that I think it's like ninety four percent of the people that have a corona virus where they have the side effects they have a pre existing conditions. And it's usually one of those three okay. Overweight number one diabetes number. Two high blood pressure's number three right at ninety four percent and so she was asking the question. Why are you not doing enough for the African American community? I would like I want to like jump through the screen and be like. What do you expect them to build a time machine? Go back in time to appeal to start eating healthy. I mean Michelle. Obama tried that and she's African American into didn't work like how that go right. I mean so the assumption was like you know the the knowledge is. There is a behavior that caused people to end up having issues now. Not everyone has because there's some things that have genetic but the very next question she asks was to the Surgeon General. I mean like within seconds. And she's saying that him referring up big Mama was racist and he's like that's what I call my grandmother. It was it's like but but then she was saying how. How could he blame people's behavior for them getting the corona virus and he was just like a because a lot of it is a lot of it is behavior issues and so the next day he was a racist and he's African American? How quickly do these people will turn on someone? That doesn't toe the Party line. Oh just like that just like that. So there's two things you mentioned that I wanNA talk about. The first thing was the assumption of everyone is being racist or assumed upon them. And that's what they gotta be really upset in which actually started doing the what brother videos because I was just frustrated You have some people like it came in at one who goes on to the sparrows conference and she's talking to his congregation of women. You know makes crowd. And she's telling these women these white women in the crowd that day need to admit that they are racist. They they have this This white fragility they need to emit needs to admit it and then embrace blackness they need to renounce their whiteness and embrace blackness in Oh and you but in women who started walking out people started like when we started leaving and she accredit so being than being racist. You know because they didn't want to hear the more that foolishness that may be said because like. Wow because a person ah they theirself. Examine their heart and they're saying okay. I know I know I love my my African American all my sisters. I I gotTa admit to you that I'm somehow races and I'm wrong if I don't yeah me too. You know but you know that was crazy for her to say she mitch. And how do it was that was pregnant? African American women in the room who were in danger of losing their children because of the stress of being in that space announced like. Wow okay. Wow so that was one of the things I say just having to make people assumed this upon themselves not whether or not it is true but to make them a midst of this not true then tell them to repent of it so now. He's already telling tall repent of a sin. They haven't even committed bear false witness it on as wild and then now corona virus was very interested because in the beginning where it started. You Got Black people saying Oh this is just because it ain't effective black people you know hitting us we're special but then people started getting affected. Vars that come into. They try to knock us out of here ally the government. The government created the virus to get us out of here. Well this is. This is what I saw. I saw this in with Katrina where they tried to blame. George W Bush for because of his hatred for blacks. They said that's why he the The levees broke the the you know somewhere. Even saying that that Bush came in with dynamite and blew up the levees to wipe out the the African Americans and you know and then you sit and you look at the facts that you go. Wait a minute. Bush contacted both the mayor of New Orleans and the governor and tried to say look. This is bad. It's category five. You know declared emergency so we can bring in Your to bring in the You know FEMA and so Someone saying your voice is low. I don't know if you can up your your but I can boost a little bit when you're talking if the workout Chinatown my answer I got you boost as much I can do. Donald Jackson says you have a manly voice. That's all I've been looking forward to this for the last load all right so so what ended up happening. Was you know Bush came in he? He activated their has forty eight hours from the declaration of emergency until Until they get on scene Bush actually activated them but he can only activate them to the point of sending so they were active at twenty four hours before but they couldn't do anything until a state of emergency. That's the way our country works. I I know liberals. Don't understand this but states have rights. I mean we're seeing that trump is not trumping that he's he's working with you like that so you got but you know. He's working laying the governor's to even when he disagrees with what the governors are doing. They have the right to do it. And that's the way this country works. And so he couldn't Bush could come in and they actually had buses that were sitting there. They could have bust everyone out. They didn't the the the mayor didn't WanNa do it. And then when when it got bad who they blame. Oh after the fact. Oh It's Bush's fault you see the same thing here. They're ready changing this to be something that they're saying that They're they're saying that that trump is doing this because he hates blacks. He's trying to wipe out the blacks. He's trying to you he. He stopped immigration. He's trying to end you know he's always been against immigration and it's like he's always been against legal immigration not legal immigration. And so this is. This is how I think this stuff becomes really is becoming unfortunately a fabric of of some of our society because there are people who are constantly looking through this lens that everything is them being victimized so how much of this whole woke movement deals with the issue of victimization and being seen as victim. The whole thing it's ricin Area Mason pointed out in his book a quote I'm a paraphrase but is from WBZ boys Saying that every black person battles with two natures and this too is in this in these two natures one is how to basically the fact that I am black and he's also how people see me as being black. You know how to their thanks. P P people look at me and everything else because I am black and for black people deal with this and this is actually a part of being woke this. You can't walk without having this realization so this the part of someone how people look at me is the victim part. You know how I'm treated how I'm handled and everything else. Mistreated than it has to be. Because you know you don't like my skin you don't like effective you know my hair you know and everything else about me. That makes me who I am. You don't like that and that's why you treat me the way you do. That's why I may not get the job you know. My mom is my mom is black therefore she namie Jomo or she named me or she may name a sister Shaniqua and because her name is Shannon was. She can't get the job it's place you know because she would see name her amber or Becky. Whatever you know. It's all of that so you have to recognize that so everything comes as being a victim. Now if I do get the job that means you must have recognized the fact that no you need to downplay your whiteness and embrace this blackness so there we have it and then ends up leading into this whole idea that there is a white privilege. I think everyone has heard this The idea that somehow just being white gives you privilege now. It's it's kind of interesting my kids when they went to college they you know. They applied for financial aid. And so you more off you know. You have all this You know these different minority groups that you can mark off you know you African American. Are you American Indian or you this that and I didn't see one at NC one for Jewish by the way? Just notice that you know. But they didn't have one for Asian. And so I wrote in. I chose other and I wrote in Asian American because my wife is from Hong Kong their Asian. Actually it got rejected because Asians are not a minority and it went. How are they not a minority? Like they're not a large number of the United States population. And this was the answer I got back. That's not how you define. Minority minority is defined by having privilege or being able to have privileges and have not having a good enough education. Asians have a good enough education. They don't they don't need the scholarships and I was like what like so right. There is a black privilege. Yeah got that same time. It's it's so disheartening. I mean for those who embraced awoke on idea. This has to offend kind of way that people think that less of of you grown up at your school you you learn nothing at school if you're always forever held back. You didn't learn the same arithmetic. You didn't learn how to speak. You didn't learn how to read like the like the white person did you. Don't say the white. The white kids got the better education. You know sending you did so they learn how to rebe editing. You so naked say amount appear here and you. Can't you know we we we we we we we? I can't say that you can't say I can't spill it. Oughta motto. Forget it so anyway but it's because of the school I went to see. Look let's let's. Let's be realistic. There is certain advantages. That certain people have you know if you have someone that has a lot of money. They can afford a better education for their children. They can put them in a private school because they they have that money. So there is going to be that advantage but that advantage does not mean that somehow all people that are certain skin color have that advantage. I think Brooke Obama had his kids in private school and they got a pretty good education. So did Michelle Obama. You know People put things in place for their families sold leg. You work hard. I mean it's just show that if you work hard being you can read their fruits of that Labor. So or your kids. Will Your grandkids will and you've seen it alive Lobby will say like people being born with a silver spoon and stuff like that and that may be but how did they get this over the phone? How did it happen? You know somebody worked hard. Somebody has something you know. Nothing was just giving our country. Nothing was really given to people you know. They had to work forward. You know everyone had to work for you know. Now we get into talking about Jim Crow and everything else in the past and people's racism and honest of hold on store. We can talk about all of that. People being held back literally told they can't read they should not read and if and if a white person was called. Taina teach a person how to read and they were flawed. You know as we have in place you know but today people can work hard you can work hard and then leave behind something you know but see you know. I could be a lot of a lot of black people you know. They're not Muslim black. Everybody we're all selfish. You know what I'm saying like more for ourselves. You know we want to know build up my own stuff and not really think about leaving something aside you know gotta spend now we battle with those kind of things you know but people. There are those who haven't done that aid. They store up their wise. You know they store related supposed to. They have a goal in mind and bit children benefit from the grandchildren and benefit from it. So it's not that in fact I do just privilege people's somebody before. They worked hard to make sure they set aside for them. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's the state can't fix that in. No unless they take from them into give to take from the rich and give to the poor like Robin who it. Well actually no. That's a misunderstanding of robinhood. There's actually use robinhood and depending on which view you have. Actually it gets interesting because depending on which view it it really does reveal a lot. Robin Hood technically stole from the government. Who's stealing from people? So the government was taking from poor people and would robin hood was actually doing with stealing from the government. Who is Robin the poor people and giving it back to the poor so it's actually quite interesting. Always found it. Funny you can look at a Robin Hood and see how people re- change the story to fit a narrative that they want into saying that he stole from the rich interests deal from the rich he stole from the government when they were overtaxing people to where they the people had no food and so he was stealing from the government to give it back to the people who are working for that money for some reason governments. Don't like to have that view of it but the thing is is that yeah I mean. I think that we end up seeing. This is nothing new. I mentioned before we went on air. A there's a man Jacob Coxoni. He was born in one thousand nine hundred in eighteen fifty four in Ohio and he was really the first of the Social Justice Warriors. He was a a very wealthy man. He worked hard. Did it had a very successful business. But he saw a disparity between the money he had and what he could do and there were people who who didn't have the education couldn't get good jobs. They didn't have as much so in eighteen ninety four. He started the first ever protests in Washington. Dc and he protested. It really was the first social justice movement it he and the first protest and he had been. He was pushing to say somehow. It's unfair that someone like him could have money and someone else doesn't but the problem is is. There's there's your this idea of trying to fix to fix things in the past year like we get you know the the the woke moment would say that someone like me must have an intrinsic racism. Because I'm white and I'm guilty of slavery and right and yet I've I've never own slaves. My family never owned slaves. We COME FROM RUSSIAN ROMANIA. In fact our families were slaves in Nazi Germany. In one thousand nine hundred forty s African Americans were were slaves much longer. There's no one living today. That was a slave from the African slave trade. I mean no one and instead of you know. I've asked this of some folks like okay. You say that that all whites oh you for the slave slavery would you want to return to Africa right now pick up leave and go back to your homeland and it's amazing because I've never had a single African American. Tell me they WANNA do that. Okay then you should be glad you have privilege your your ancestors. What they went through is horrible but you you got the privilege of it in living here than some of Africa's what is set them back. I think there's some Africans I would say they'll trade places with them. They would much rather come here and say you you you you go back. You don't appreciate what you have there in America. You know. There's actually now more African Americans that are from Africa. Then we're born here in America. There's been enough. People have come in here for migrating from Africa than were born for the slave trade. When you look at the ancestry. Yeah that just happened. This year tells you that there's a lot of people that are want to be here now. Some of them have to give me my. My Wife's family gave up a lot to be able to be in America. My my father in law had a very good Business he was he had The was in the newspaper business and he had you know made good money there. His his father was actually before Mao came in was A. They called him a tribesman but he was like a a governor of type him. He's a very wealthy. He actually had to flee when Mao came into had come into power. And you know but anyway the the thing. That happened my my father-in-law gave up his career. He and he and my brother-in-law came to America. Worked for year leaving his family behind and struggled to make ends meet so that they could get enough money to bring the rest of the Family. My wife her sisters and my mother-in-law over and when they came over it they didn't have anything they all worked. I mean when they were old enough to work they worked in a factory and they they worked and they struggled but now a generation later they they can reap some of the rewards of their parents suffering. The parents didn't have it easy and their parents never really had a lot but they sacrifice for their children now in the case with the African slave trade. They didn't have a choice in that. We recognize that there is benefit that comes to the generations afterwards. I had a guy that we interviewed on my podcast a long long time ago. And he had said he you know he's African American. He said you know he's grateful that his you know that he is able to be born in America. He knows his his ancestor. Didn't have it easy. But because of their suffering he is able to receive the benefits of that I don't think there's enough people that have the perspective of saying. Let me compare myself to other people around the world and say do I have it pretty good instead of saying well? I think I deserve more and I deserve what others have. That really is a heartbeat of being woke. Is that somehow? If someone doesn't have what someone else has. It's somehow unfair. It's injustice now you can you. Can you explain that a bit? Some of the mindset of that of this unjust injustice at to appeal half is is just that it has to be what we talked about earlier. And it seems to me when it comes to this Conversation with woke. This is a big circle. You find yourself going back round and round again. This is very circular this. Oh Oh assumed that everybody's supposed to have this is is we're supposed to have the same. You know if you want true equality. There will always have the same if you make X. amount of dollars attribute X. Amount of dollars if we're doing the same thing you no matter you have more experience than I do or any kind of stuff is the fact that we doing the same thing therefore we should make the same or have the same. If you have a big house you have five bedrooms. I should better get a five bedroom house to. You may have put more money down. You may have had the the capital but hey I should be an issue the affordable to me. If I make less than you do I still get that same five bedroom house and pay what I can pay for it. You know. I mean that's what it's supposed to be because we're equal. We have the same the same kind of not come to the car and everything else. Everything is just assumed. Navy's preconceived notions is interesting. I was doing a review on prescribed to dillon with Martin Luther King at one point In his communist background and He did a servant called. Is it wrong for Christians to be a communist to for Christians to be a communist or to To believe in communism something like that. And and his his sermon or speech. I should say he will mostly trying to basically say that we shouldn't be a communist in sense of Back then when Communism wanted wanted equality by any means necessary whether athletic gear the way that it's still get 'cause maybe Bodey should want you know they all want the same things whereas Martin King saying that we should all have the same but we shouldn't have to lie and steal to get to it but we should have the same. There should be no different classes. We shall be one class in. So that's what he's pushing for it. So he said he said in his speech. I won't rest until every black person is making the same. He knows he can't rest until we're making the same but yet whitestone make the same. I mean I don't make the same. As other people logic falls. This is where the logic everything's Falcons Week and look at all that a final comb but we're going to go back to a majority so yeah something about special about you. Why people that don't make the same somebody else you know. All y'all the exception but not the rule. The rule is y'all got to be sheer. Have the best in the ups and everything and it don't matter that no matter there are poor white people that exist. Who can't you can't get a leg up. It doesn't matter. The fact is the majority of the why people got it made. But it's the opposite for the black community you have. The you may have exceptions. We have some black people who are doing pretty good got wealth and everything else but the majority of the black people are poor in the can't afford anything. Let's see Barack. Obama has an a twelve million dollar home in Martha's Vineyard one point six million dollar home in Chicago and a eight million dollar home in DC. So I guess he's he's doing pretty good. I'm not even close to that. He's an exception. Yeah yeah all all basketball players? Football PLAYERS EXCEPTION TO USE FOR THEIR BODIES. Definitely got big at the money you know. There's some people made the argument that even even those who play sports a basically just a slave to the to the AARP because white men are sizing them up taking measurements. Get the bigger pass. You know the most athletic one to play on their team. You know. There's a white man who are owning the franchises as a black man who are playing even though there are some whites as major playing yeah. Kt says you know Think about how how it happened to Joseph when you know in the Bible Joseph. He didn't have it easy. He ended up rising to power. Because God's hand was on that so we got we got. We got a troublemaker in the in the room. Here let's bring him in troublemaker. Slick one has appeared. It'd be nice to you but now I don't know. Hey Hey it's it's my Jewish privilege. See I got. I have that over you see I have. I have some intersection points because at least some Jewish. You're not so. I'm really to one of the gangsters in the hole in the wall gang and You know my parents came from Germany my grandparents and stuff grandparents wondering like. I wonder I don't like him the Germany my last name slick comes from German Schlick teen. Yes he his people kills my people so all we need now is is Anthony Investor. Come in he's he's been watching at least he said but you know but but so mad. I don't know if you've been actually. Let's should we trigger. So should we trigger matt and play a woke brother? Br- brother have you seen these met? No all right. Let's let's let's get triggered I triggered could. Hey Matt Yeah. Which one do you think we should play here for Matt Plato and dealing with the woman who apologizes? I think that's that's Mary Williamson. Yeah which one was that. I was at this one. Okay all right so this is an man you just gotta remember. This is satire owed satire Oria. Because it's actually hard to know sometimes here as I speak. I'm going to ask the White Americans in the room to please repeat after me on behalf of myself and on behalf of my country doing this to you and all african-americans from the beginning of our nation's history in honor of your ancestors and on behalf of your children please hear this from my heart. I Apologize For us. Please forgive us with this prayer. I acknowledge the depths of the evils that have been perpetrated against black people in America from slavery to Lynchings to white supremacists. Laws Stu the denial of voting rights to all the ways both large and small off all of them evil. All of them were all for all the oppression. And all of the testing I apologize. Please forgive US Williamson. You are the one who gets an approval from the. Walt brought the leading of prayer of all your white people apologize to my black for injustices date you perpetrate it. Somebody woke up now. Next time you lead a prayer make. Shoo stayed in a way that everybody could follow alone. Because when it came down to talking about the injustice against black people somebody skipped over that prayer because it was too long to try to repeat. We lead a prayer. You GotTa make sure you say rice. Everybody say every word that he needs to say so. There's some people in Nestle white people who had a handle black people who didn't truly apologize for the injustice that was done to black people. They skipped over. I can appreciate you apologize and no black people but let me tell you something you not declare yet. No mail no by long shot. See Putting your hand on a black man shoulder and black woman. Shoulder isn't enough to repay us for. We gone to the needs to be some money given did. Y'All y'all should've took up an offering. Everybody in should've been giving everybody who had a hand on a shoulder should've been given some money paying foot or emotional trauma that my people have gone through. Should've been doing and let me tell you some knows because you've led a prayer in that location. I still ain't got no minimum. Ain't nobody emailing me talking about their sorry for the whiteness. Where my email I want to handle it on my shoulder where you at least try you try. But didn't we tell you day y'all have a say in the reconcile and love between Blacks Weiss? You need the approval of the Black Community. Not a black room. Make sure you pay attention. The black community is leading that inside of a building. You should have been on the mountain tops. You should have been at the Capitol till in the world to lay their hand on every black man boy and girl essay. I'm sorry for being white. I'm sorry that my existence has caused you pain. That's what you should have been doing. You should have been saying. I'm sorry the AD in recognize the gift of your black skin in front of me. I'm sorry that's what you should have been praying now for the rest of you. White people out there you can learn something from his Williamson. You can learn something from take some notes. I hope you will jot them down. When I was playing the video takes them knows it. Ain't to apologize to it. Ain't too late for you to lead a prayer so wherever you are right now. Stop what you're doing. Stop what you do right now. Stretch hands at his computer screen. And I want to pretend that you laying a hand on me and I want to apologize for the two calls me for the pain trauma that you calls me and you say he did no problem. We know you man say about. It depended on black in effect to white desks. Enough GonNa stop making all these excuses endured. You're supposed to do we wait. And so next time you decide you want to lead a prayer public location makes you got some money which you come correct. Don't come at all but don't you Fred Williamson. It ain't too late. It aimed to lay the next time you decide you want to apologize. You just make sure you look up a won't brother repeat after me. Man. I mean well okay. Did you enjoy doing video? Yes I don't know how you keep a strict. I gotTA SPLAINE when I watched it when I washed her. Do that I that I had over. Because this is the thing. Defect alone of being black automatically. Do something alone at your white automatically means. You owe me something like that was so foolish you have you. Have these people apologize of something? They had no part in doing now. Those those in those an audience who may hassle racist and their heart. Okay maybe everyone you telling people to apologize something. They had nothing to do with it in it and they say we're sorry we're basically we're sorry supposed to that's going to covered and this is what is the. What are they sorry for? What are they supposed to be? Sorry for they're supposed to be sorry for slavery long-gone Voting Rights. Long gone. Because this is the thing that I've seen as I read through James Cone who is for folks who don't know he is. He's he's kind of the father of Black Liberation Theology. He was a border from imminent video. Too Yeah he I mean he is. He's really. He's the one that everyone looks to when it comes to this stuff by the way I don't know if you saw some of the comments here Jamal but just saying these guys are hardcore in a good way choosing. I'd hug this guy social distance it'll be an air hug. Don't where you know. The thing that James Cone always brings out. That blacks were not treated. They're treated as subhuman now. That was true. There was a time that was true but not in James cones time. He complains about not being able to have voter rights not having not being equal because of voter rights. And it's like since you know he price. Since he was eighteen he had already. I mean it's like you know people have the the time writing the those things these are not issues. And here's the interesting thing that I find with James Cone and this whole Whoa Kness when you look at it. The James Cone will say now remember he wrote after the World War. Two you know the sixties seventies eighties. So he's saying how there's Jewish people that don't like Germans like Matt Slick and you know me like I don't like him thinking dinner or lunch or wait. It is not my fault that you're not slick enough select and but the argument is that we should. We should understand why why Jewish people would be upset with Germans after the Holocaust. But you know what there's not that hatred anymore you know why because the Jewish people that are living today didn't go through the Holocaust they don't have the hatred but yet somehow the whole thing with woke misses that African Americans have to keep that hatred for things that they never lived through. And that's the thing I don't I just don't understand you know. has been assembled. That's the most frustrating part to me is especially when I've seen I watch videos and I've seen people it why people admit that today. You know I'm right now. I'm a brace in defense of my base. Embrace them white privilege that you know I've somehow I've been racist this whole time. I didn't know him. I do really like you you you you now realize that you races when it win how it will way you know it's like it's bear false witness you're lying you still lying. It didn't oh man. This would be as frustrated as I do the video in that moment when we looking at I keep a straight face because I hear it irritated glasses onto you look serious. Oh He's got the glasses he came in. Show it that would Melissa says here she says Andrew could buy me dinner anytime I. She doesn't know what your problem is. There met Jou one day. We should tell some of the experiences. You've had trying to take an hour but The woke thing to me is is ridiculous. there's some kind of a brainwashing thing going on in America with leftism and they use racism to to do stuff. It's like most people I talked to everybody. I know I mean except for Andrew here. He's obviously a racist he you know. Should it compensate by marrying a Chinese woman? Who Do that but you know I mean it. Just disgusts were tired of the idiocy of the blame game of white. You're black. You're Yellow Your Brown. Your this your that and this is why we have problems now you know. I had a Mexican friend in high school. I called him beaner and he called me. Honky and Gophers House Mom and Dad. You know six Spanish like whatever I don't care and it never was issue. It's only after you started listening to news heart listening to all this stuff racism. Then you start thinking about it. It was never an issue and we're being manipulated and I'm not gonNA apologize for what my ancestors may or may not have done my ass gay from Germany. They weren't here for slave stuff you know. And then you know this this stuff about Paying money what from what I understand. Twenty two trillion dollars basically has gone into Low income neighborhoods since the sixties. The problem isn't money. The problem is is the culture. And you know there's we have a black problem culture. We have another culture called white trash and we know what that is and you know there my wife and I we watch cops and you'll see isn't matter who accept mostly black and white people rarely that Asians for some reason but you'll deserve smarter stupid people doing stupid things drugs. Math stealing cars okay. Okay sorry my scaled something and you know and they make choices that keep them in poverty that keep them in bondage. I always look at it as look if you want to get out of poverty work Now I know I know some situations. It's not so easy I understand but Come on you know. Stop blame shifting. Because that's that's what children do not call the all children but the idea of maturity is that children. They blame someone else. They wind they cry. But as we grow what happens as we become more mature hopefully and we become other centered and we start taking responsibility. And that's a general thing. I know that there's people have difficulties and there's challenges. I understand that but I see so much of blame everybody else. Just stop it you know and I get tired of it. Wanted to be most heated conversations. I've gotten into with the justice system and getting away to prison reform and all that it's There's an injector because they're more. There are more black people. Prisons they are Weiss. Anyone else and I looked at it and then I got more controversy when I started to get into police killings but now going back to just being in jail house. It's my line. Well how do you explain that if I say if that is true then you just have more black people committing crimes is I mean okay? Excuse will actually the state of the day. Now you can get into our injure. Yeah con about that before you go. I did nine years a prison ministry inside of Level. One two three four prisons. I means Fort Level for you go through like seven eight ten doors And you go in. And you're in with the bad guys have a button and if something happens you click it and hopefully we'll get to you in time so. I mean I did it for nine years and guess who the most majority of the people I saw in prison work which race it was Asians white seriously. I believe you're you're in Idaho. Meh California down in San Diego Area. Just prison work here now here for a black person. Idaho you go. Hey look a black person. Know it's just like wow. That happened to get through. You know we've got a border thing but Jamaa. Gabby you did an episode though you did an episode on your podcast where you went through crimes of people who were black and actually you. You know you should actually get that those stats over to Matt and put that up on Karm. Because that would that actually. It should be up there but matt what he did was he went through all the stats of everybody. Who is a WHO is All the different races of people all the issues of where you had a black man killed the even went through all the ones where black man was killed by whites and it was like like there is accident there was like and he just broke them down. I think it came down to like one or two of them that were actually a hate crime. You had like in the year the year two thousand nine hundred at the time. It was like nine hundred or so cases where Police had to use deadly force. And they you know. It's funny that this came from all I want to say it was the Washington Post which is which is mostly liberal but they tried to so basically big numbers huge number and say oh the comey people that police are killing the every year you know but you but they got him individual they got individual cases on it and you can feel them out and so. I took the filter and I was okay. Well the issue is always unarmed. Black Man so let me look up people who were unarmed who did not flee today then Russ they can't say oh because they ran that's why they shot like notice. I didn't run and then you had So you had the ages. Okay look at young people you know. No ages between teens and twenties or so look at all that it in Unarmed no weapon at all that stuff and then men you know the cause in our community please. Targeted black men more than women. So it's just like man so I mean I want to look at and when board down to it was three three cases you know unarmed where they didn't flee there was no car chases. Nothing there was no fleeing. They were unarmed. They were between the ages of four of you. A teenager was like fourteen which was accidental. So three was In the twenties and up and one of the cases was one was killed. A police officer shot he was aiming for someone else. He was aiming for another suspect but the suspect he was aiming for dodged and he hit a bystander who is basically with the By a person who is their win the suspect it took him out there was they showed you the news articles on win with those cases. And so you pull the news article and it was showing how people were protesting for justice for that That young man who was killed but it was like it was an accident. You know. He wasn't the he wasn't the intended target. He would just wrong place at the wrong time. And things like that happen and in And also I wanted to look cases where there was no body Cam. You know saying there was nobody camps. Oh you know just everything everything could say. There's some kind of conspiracy that has no cameras. No no this is the third and But yeah it cannot have three cases but was interesting was I did the same thing and I looked at white people the cases for whites and it was more it was more of white people can kill more white man around the same age as unarmed not fleeing things who are being killed police officers you know and even within the case individual cases. It wasn't like they hated each other. You had one case where a man was Please coming to get him and he attacked him. He was unharmed but he was attacking them and he was. He was getting beaten him and he had no defend themselves. Please say use deadly force and you know that's what happened you know so the white me wasn't a black case. It was the white man who got killed. You know trying to fight. He's always say people be saying I've heard people say this. I don't mean to go on his long ramp but I've heard people say oh if a if a white man did the same thing let me India Angle. Do they go? They go on to beat him up taking jail. They will kill him right now. This this guy lost his life. You know attack in our you know more than life you know. And so Yeah it's it's just so disheartening. Because it's like these things are not true but like you say it may and I liked what you said is brainwashing because more you see it is it just can getting fair to you and fancy wedding fair to you and and anybody comes with any sense even with status and like those stats can't be right. That can't be the truth and it's like what more can you say at that point? You know like we got facts. And what more can you do? You know what fourteen percent of the American population is black. Well what's the percentage of people in jail who are black well take a percentage of the people who are in the country and percentage and then if there's a problem or is not an equality so to speak well then what's the reason and it's worth examining and looking and then you try and solve things but as you were talking about that stuff? I don't know if you know this but you know what it means to be swatted. All the police yeah. I was swatted last year. Awhile and so I ended up. You know the police. I mean. Open my front door. Someone called up my my name's Matt Slick I just shot and killed my wife boom cops everywhere guns out. Open the door. That are pointed at me you know. They're yelling at me. Hands up in the air walk backwards. All this stuff you know handcuffing. Put me in the car. The whole thing and I wasn't worried and the reason I wasn't worried just because there wasn't any color I was. It was my attitude. She they said do this do it. You know I mean these guys head. Ar Fifteen glocks acceder cons. Where I got close. They had guns on them and they're armed and finger on the triggers. My hands are up in the air. I did exactly what they said when they said it. No problem at all and you know when I get stopped by a COP Disguise don't know who I am. They don't care what color I am. Do I have a gun AM I. Did I just rob somebody? I kill somebody that I do this or do that. They're going to treat everybody the same way the same procedures so what I do is I turn. Nitra my light on inside the car. Roll the windows down. Both sides put my keys on top of the Dash. And take my and put my hands like this. You know on the steering wheel so my hands and my fingers are exposed and I do this literally every single time. How many times you get pulled over. Actually oh twice a day which so I get about once every two years and so and they come up and and I don't. I don't go looking for my driver's license. I don't go looking for anything my car. They don't n- not because I want my rights. Now they don't know who I am or what my attitude is or if I'm armed or not or anything. I'm just doing this. And then when they tell me to look for something carry carry a gun and my gun is next to my my wallet and there and it hasn't happened yet but I would say you know okay. my wallet is next to my weapon which is loaded. I say condition three. I just want you to know that when I leave you know if there's anybody there is no not at all and what they'll do they'll tell you what to do and you just follow it and and that's it and I've even gotten a ticket before and said of the COP egg officer. I want to thank you for doing your job now. Do you really WanNa Blow. Cops mind do that kind of thing. You do not doesn't mean that something bad can't happen but it's certainly restraint lowers the project. Put yourself in their position. They don't know who you are. Just be cool. Things will work out. You know one of the things. Matt go ahead while trying to say two things one and you just basically just enor- your privileged seeing. You chose not to all you gotta do. Is this laid back just back when it come up? Yeah what happened with Blackhawks? Then you've got to be. We have to BLACKTOP CHERYL BLACKHAWKS. And He'd do everything you just I do. I do everything Matt says except for one thing that I'd do different I can't say officer I I'm carrying. I live in New Jersey Acute Dangers. I have my weapons. I just can't take out of the house unless you're not carrying almost say look. Let's drive the store right now. You've got to eat a gun. Yeah Oh it's awesome the me and we got. We got someone coming in Chris so welcome Chris. How're you doing questions forced tonight? Shot of the topic was on like the Social Justice Sort of south. Actually like a precept question. In regards to that on I know like I'm Dr so Astros bilking also unlike the what do what do they believe? But I read before that when it comes to proper what shown inconsistency what Within a certain world now that shows how to be false. And I'm done idea out. I want to get strategic value of this would be a valid Validly come reason why the whole social print stuff. I'm really out so I'm I'm left handed so I'm just GonNa come Craig Leptin Theory If I coined term like that yeah sure. Here's here's Guys that could we curiousness suggested. I used to joking manner but at the same time to show how critical theory is really is nonsense. So her example. Instead of white privilege that social justice people use US right privilege suffering for example? English obviously As reading left to right for me whenever I write your whatnot something things just like when you get like the on the bottom of the hand your whatnot that Pencil or whatnot. And that is like those. The blood in English language man. They're they're so against people or an America for example after drive on the right side of the road and vehicles gas in the breaker also on the right side of the road. I right right side. I'm left-footed as well. So it's like man those carbon actress and we'll see you unique unique to live in England and read Hebrew. That's that's the conclusion. It's not privileged so you because you're right handed privileged. You probably can't rate with a fountain pen because you'd be smearing it as you right. Yeah see so. But here's the dilemma. With this because there's one thing you have to understand with WHOA KNESS and social logic need not apply. Okay I mean because you can you can and and I think Jamal you might have said this. It doesn't matter what the facts are. This is a feeling based belief. It's not a thinking based belief and this is the frustrating thing with them because it doesn't matter what you say they can ignore all of your logic for what they feel like like Matt feels. He should be able to buy me a meal. He just logically. Can't we'll get to outsmart. It'd be admit several times but I'd be saw the text I just wrote to you a road in their Jamaal. I'd love to see her ear research in your stats on that Stuff sometime you know just Because it sounds interesting what you do you do the kind of thing I do. You know research and right and I love to go in and look and see it surprising what you find and their thing. I think is really a serious problem in America. Is The news media. That's a problem man on my radio show talked about politics. Listen the news. Media's not a problem journalists are not the problem you know what the problem is on. There aren't any journalists anymore. They're all activists right here. They're all Commie Pinko Wacko Marxist socialist guys with agendas. I wish the man Meteo could he felt the media doesn't the media's part of the problem because what it does is it foments racism if only prejudices prejudice it's and supports Anger coveting. It does all kinds of stuff if they did what you did. Jamal and gave us a test. I say you a black guy on The News say CNN leftist CNN interview. Well what would happen to you? You know you'd be mocked ridiculed. You can't be right and even though you had the facts facts don't matter but matters is the agenda and I want to know what's going on that. There's such an agenda that people are are so inclined to produce and and in key informant racism hatred. Prejudices why are they doing this? The news media does it on purpose. They do. I like in the case of that The boy who's a bystander. Got Hooks caught destroyed but basically the bullet that was meant for the suspect because the suspect was not just the thing. The suspect that police was going to get was armed. He had a gun and he he draw. He drew on the police officer which caused him to fire in the first place so he was armed. The one who got shot was unarmed. But how the media twisted it is dead another another. You know media articles on the US West unarmed black unarmed black man killed by police. Big Headline White Police say white or disbelief police. Because odds about police brutality at this point and then you get but you look at the The article is gives police officers name. And who is You know he's a white man so that just fees into the narrative it it doesn't matter they don't give details that he was just there. You know small print. You GotTa know what was going on letters. That's what people focus onto headline. We'll see it's all. It's all in the headlines. I mean you can read these headlines than you read the rest of the story and it's like it doesn't say it's like Click Bait. My wife and I were just seeing today that there was this guy that you know. He's he's Got Arrested. He basically was Giving a security guard a hard time and the security guard called the police and when he realized he was GONNA go back to prison. He literally said he decided he was going to kill as many white people as he could so he pulled out a gun and firing at white people and he said he wanted to kill as many white people as he could that was they even had him on court at the court and he's sitting there and they're like you know did you. WanNa way people. Yes you know. And it was like I'd you're you're not having protests about that you know what because that's a good thing to say because you know if. I hear that I'm not GonNa think let's all black people are like that. I don't think that but my question is how many black people think that will white people are all racist is that predominant in the culture at all or my just. I just don't know because it most most. Yes because the thing is is interesting early enough. Experience is based off experience thing and I've had people like this is like because they've experiences. Why is this racism from White Person? They may have a legit my dad. He spares racism job. He did He he worked at a factor. Well he was doing manufacturing work of We'll carpentry work. And he went on the job and who's white owned and he gets his job dad. He's wisely it's money. He saves just days where he bought them a truck. He had this this brandon truck. Ain't the nicest trump the place. Well they started treating him differently. The the owner the new people need they start treating them differently. Monday going to. They fired him eventually and he was able to win in court of law suit because they were Being prejudiced tourism. How out of date? Because he seemed like he had more than they did. And you know they're gonNA make they pay him more than what he should have been paying. You know. Not just politics happened either but he experienced that because he's he won the case but now he's always had to stay there so they're saying because it is but this is one of the drops in a book and it makes him even more feel like say you just can't trust why people you know the white just delayed let's see there's a fallacy of logic called the Fallacy of division. Where the engine of the car is blue. There for the whole car is blow it's a logical fallacy so one white person was prejudiced against him so I'll why people are prejudice against them. That's the call the fallacy. I understand emotional Attachment that we can have been. I used to be chased to believe it or not. This isn't really compare but this is the closest I can compare to. I have no interest in sports and I moved twenty six times before I was twelve years old. Well my last name is slick as bucktoothed super skinny and had long hair and all this in or short hair because my dad was in the military and well we got out into civilian life The people I learned to hate where white people who watch sports if it was a white person to watch sports those with the bad people. I don't see it didn't matter if it was black people or Asian people. That watch sports were okay. It was only the white sports people who I learned to hate and distrust and took literally took years to get over that prior realized well. It's it's not you know it's not everybody I understand. I don't that's a good enough comparison but but I understand what it means to. You know you'd things happen and you latch onto it and it does take work to get rid of that void that mindset with the one good thing that came out of all of that is i. Don't watch sports. Well you know. I grew up in a town that was there was there was a section of town. The town next next door. That was more Jewish. But where I happen to to live. It wasn't and they had. We had people that were doing stuff we you know. I was getting picked on all all because of of my judy until I got to high school when I got to high school I was able to. There were other Jewish kids and so then there was someone else thirteen to grew up with but until I was in high school. Yeah I you know. We had gone picked on being the only Jewish family in the area in. Yeah but that didn't mean that. I assumed everyone every Roman Catholic is it. Owes me something you You put a comment from humble clay about races of definitely exists in on every side now won't read read the whole quote for from humble place it folks who are listening okay so humble clay says racism definitely exists on every side and stupid and wrong. But it's also an agenda for some now the point. I wanted to bring out as a black you with. Somebody will say can't be racist because racism is based off an attitude is offer status. You gotta you gotTa have a status and that brings on the attitude you know so because black people don't have the status that white people do. We can't be racist. Literal arguments arguments made offer this. This is something heart you define you. Excellent to define. How can you define with us? Somebody's racist and I would would behaviors are shown and give the behaviors how they act. And isn't it there okay? Can you do that with Monday? Without money Y- okay so it ain't back I'll status is is behavior is attitude you know says so therefore a black person can be racist and are some are racists but but then then we have you have them redefine racism right. I mean this is this. This is what I find. So frustrating is racism keeps getting changed every year to fit. You know. Racism was when someone is being treated a certain way because of the color of their skin then it became someone. That doesn't it's underprivileged and that's why you can't you know a a black man can't be a racist because they don't have their underprivileged now. It's you know if you don't hate trump you're racist you know if you if you vote for trump you know you're you're racist but you know it's it's it really is it's a changing definition to where it becomes meaningless. Chris you're gonNA say something. I was bring out another couple of examples to come down city. And there's a mystery preachers are audible. Churches that Adam apartment network with and in like dental city. There's a place for In the summertime or whatnot Onto their message or whatnot now personally Just recently moved down to Oklahoma but From people my network or whatnot. They've interacted with them and even like the races. Transfrom from the blacks utilites like creatures. Yeah Yeah I have. I've done some podcasts. With the black on black and one of them we actually. I actually played the clips of when we walked away. We got the video from those guys and I mean when we were leaving them. You WanNA talk about racism. And they're they're like can't wait for the race riots starts. We can start popping these crackers and enslaving them and raping. They're women I mean that's how they were talking as we're as we're leaving and so. Yeah that's it's a pretty racist group right something else. I wanted to bring up There's two points I want to draw your trump early. This is from out of earlier. You mentioned About Donald Trump. I've heard argument that No 'cause you mrs about Bush when it came to Katrina. This is a while back injury with how people blame. Bush for happiness of like that. We came to corona virus. I've heard people who made argument in this awkward. Spiracy that trump. They you know he could have. He could have blocked our borders protected America. But he didn't do it he didn't do it in time. Though in January. He did make an announcement that this is something we should do. You know he could have done it. He didn't do it. But trump did do is he was in Russia so he warned Putin and Putin closed his borders you therefore it had the least the numbers of cases and so therefore trump. He was trying to you know he did. All these to base causes chaos in America to get him reelected office. So you missed you. Missed one part of that. I don't know if you saw the recent one. China says that that trump created that this was trump got the army to create the virus and send it to China. Now is interesting as I asked to pass. I had where there's L- okay. Could you mentioned about Bush because the states have rights right so so trump gives. He says this what he wants to in January. He says okay this. We stop travel from China. Right. It didn't happen. He was called. It was called I Dunno vote because of the hat you know but then in in a press conference of recently he was questioned. He's a trump prayed. Mr President. Why didn't you do enough to protect our borders? And like I say this. Do you know it's crazy but this is America so he doesn't have he can't control all this but how was how was Russia rain? Russia isn't the same as America. Right now is Putin Putin well. He indicated that they don't have that anymore but he there isn't the same system of checks and balances so he doesn't have to go through Congress or or governors or things like that so and and here's the thing that really frustrates me. You know you can give me triggered now but when you look at the timeline. Let let you look at this timeline. Right trump ends up seeing that. There's this this virus he he asks Congress for special funding to go to. Cdc TO INTO START RESEARCHING CORONA virus. You know what Nancy Pelosi said. No we're not. We're not discussing it. Yet they waited a whole week before discussing and voting on that funding. What they had to vote. You know what's more important discussing flavored tobacco with the vaping? That was more important. Say spent a week discussing that. Okay and then they deal with this and when he closed the border and said no one from trend is coming in. Nancy Pelosi do. She goes to Chinatown and goes. He's being racist against asian-americans he never mentioned Asian Americans he mentioned no one from China because there's a virus from China and she's going and saying everyone come out be outside insane even in early March with saying that trump was over blowing this and that people should be outside and and and gathering together so so even as early as March okay. So what are the Democrats doing? Where were they doing anything to stop this? No Pelosi sat there and did absolutely nothing when when they tried doing the funding bill. She flies in on her private jet from California. She's zooms in and says. Stop the bill. I want the green new deal in here. Okay we gotta do the green new deal. She blows that up for for half a week to week. They have the second one that day. Now did what happened. She holds out for week just as she can go. It was really the the Republicans in the Senate. They held it up It was on your desk. How do the Republicans? I mean the handed to her a week ago and somehow it's the Republicans fault that she didn't sign it. They've done nothing but sit there and go say oh. He didn't do enough. He knew he should've done more he should have done it sooner. Look and see wouldn't have saved more lives if he did something sooner. Wouldn't it be better if you blamed the place where this actually originated from? How about we blame the. Who who's who in February was still saying. It can't be transferred human-to-human how `Bout we blaming China? Who didn't tell us all of the facts of what was going on. They can the secret they were. They were killing the doctors who are whistle blowers then they kicked out the US press by. Let's not blame China. Let's continue to support the. Let's go with the Communist talking points in the media in every day if you watch briefings every day all it is is the communist talking points from China being thrown at the president. And I gotTa tell you. Today was the funniest because he's just like he looks at the woman from CNN. He goes he says. I'm not taking your fake news. You're you're not always says it everyday calls them fake news. Because I'm not taking a question from Ukraine who goes he goes your fake news. And she says something and it's like he just goes. He's like trying to escort and she's like just shouting over in the other person talking so he just sits there goes like shakes his head and then when she's done she he goes. Okay next question. Do you think nor her just ignored her. And here's this. Here's do you know that this is another thing. Pelosi's do do you know that. Pelosi has started an investigation into Donald Trump's handling of the corona virus. They're starting the Nixon impeachment. They're looking in to see whether he mishandled. What did she do nothing? She got in the way every time he had to do it by executive order. Because she wouldn't work with him she wouldn't she wouldn't let. Congress do what they were supposed to do so he had to do by executive order. Why didn't he do it right away because he was trying to do it? The proper way through Congress and she was delaying. So who do we blame? We should blame her. We should blame China. We should blame you. Who that WHO should ask. What does it have to do with being woke like this? What you now. Definition woke is being aware of injustices and according to the conspiracy. Then trump has committed a grave injustice against his own country. The country that he's supposed to be protecting and the acerbic he's he's purposely. Allowed this virus come in and not only people but a fait black and brown people you know. And it's his fault. Close a border there. So He's evil as the most the most wicked wicked because he's working he's letting states from have the rights to to make decisions he's the ask every day in the briefings ask them. Why don't you use this this? You know the Congress gave him power to just demand companies to manufacture things into demand the states to do the and he's not doing it and their shelf set over that and he's like. I don't need to him working with them and the left. Is there wacked? My wife and I will watch a half an hour a day. Usually routine at navy relaxed. Watch some news and and and you know just amazing at the agenda that's there and the blindness to hatred the the agenda You WanNa push is truth is a commodity to be sold and twisted reminds me of of Lucifer in genesis three. Did God really say the initial questioning the very nature truth and this is what we have a problem with. And they're very powerful. You GotTa do something about it but yeah it's in fact. Oh I tell you the story. This is a true story about the news media I don't trust them. I just you buddy in college. I don't trust them Is this your buddy in college and Seminary Seminar? Yeah this is so I was in seminary and graduated in nineteen ninety one and it was a friend of mine. A White Guy who was from South Africa and apartheid rights were happening and he told me what happened the night before he's watching the apartheid rights and Lo and behold itself after you recognize the street corner where his brother is living. It is going to happen. You know he goes. Oh my goodness hope. He's okay he calls them up. Said Are you okay and it better said? What are you talking about? The riots is let rights the rights outside on the corner right there. Look out your window and he goes. There's nothing out there so the news said it was live riots. And he's talking to his brother live in South Africa and it was an invented false story. The broader told him two months ago. They had a little gathering disturbance people. It wasn't you call it a riot but they call it a a protest about something unrelated. They use that film to create a false narrative. Yeah wow comes to mind suited up North Dakota's and and let critical race theory class As a janitor or primary now when class preach we add? They're trying to get us to become woke and the video that you try showing US wise for London reasons by the racism. Mrs Said America is because when it comes to retail stores retail store. Pick on black people at trump's a shoplifting. Therefore racism exists in America. You know I watched cops. They'd have a great disgracing intro. Dave a White Guy. Running out of a story gets tackled by a white cop and the whole bit. I mean. They're all over him like a monkey on. Cupcakes is ripping them apart. It was great to see. But yeah they're the ones who did so in In Area Mason as interview. Dila with and those who who who mason is. He's He's a pastor of L. elements insurance. Just not name fishers. Yeah he's he's Arben Pasadena. Community often I WANNA say thank. Where's that place? I WanNa say the day I would have said The city he's in anyway. He's passed look past the Mason. He wrote he's also a church but he mentioned in an interview. He was discussing about the book and Act Racism. Or an act of this His wife originally this stuff like that in this injustice. Is You walk into a store and owners. They don't spill say hello. It'll speak a mug. You they get they look at you watching what you're doing you know you're you're shopping in the store or whatever and they just watching you you know. And that is the type of justice because you're a distorted assuming because you're black that you're going to be stealing something or it could be defended had history of of break-ins robberies in there watching everybody who walks in and he just happened to meet their glands. So if we wait so you're you're saying that that Matt actually is in has been suffering from injustice because whenever met in I enter into a restaurant. I'm looking at him that way. I mean when Matt when we're in a restaurant. I'm a mugging rach the term. I didn't know the term for it. They're mugging Matt. I'm sitting here. Yeah See. I'm watching what he's doing and there's a reason I have to. Because he may he may try to pay for a meal. See the best part of this is. He doesn't even here this part because he's busy talking to his way. So Hey Lou. We'll give him that one again later. But KUMBLE PLACES. I've many problems with trump but thank God for trump and this is actually what a lot of people feel key. Can you picture of? Hillary was president during. I mean just picture like president. Hillary Clinton like right during this virus. I mean he thinks she can handle this. Well Matt you you you miss something you were talking to need. We discovered that you you suffer injustice at my hands my hands because you know. Jamal was talking about me mercilessly. Oh yes okay. So this is what happens. This is what happens if I'm like if I'm having a bad day or I'm stressed or having problems. I Call Matt for for Advice Right. He doesn't give advice. He just insult me over and over relentlessly until I forget the problem you laughing because there's so much truth with the material you'd have lasting listen. Listen Jamaal was talking about mugging when guys come in a store that they're they're watching them because they're mugging him there and I realized that's exactly what I do with you. You suffer injustice because every time. I'm in a restaurant with you among you. I'm watching what you're doing afraid you're GonNa Plod credit card and I have to pull it out of your hands or push you out of the way or do some other childish behavior just to make sure you know and you know joking around and stuff like that but there's actually truth what you're saying. I watch everybody that way who they are when I meet somebody. I don't know who they are. I size them up. I'll watch how they walk. I watched how they stay speak. Watch what's going. I wonder if they're going to be a threat not going over born overblown overboard here but what I do. Because I've moved so much I was. I was traumatized. So it's part of me to always assess anybody quickly. That's what I do. What is it wrong? No and there's a reason for it because there's this thing called profiling get this. You WANNA know why. Israel doesn't have any hijackings under planes. They Proba file profile. And when I was in Israel and Tel Aviv. Coming out going in and going out. I mean they had they had together and they they checked you. They looked at you. They have people just looking at you. They're sizing up as what they're doing. There's two standing there and they're armed and intimidating and they want to see how what body language you're going to do they profile. There's no problems I felt so safe. What was there because of it? Profile people all the time as a matter what race they are. I don't care I wanNA to know what they're going to be a threat. I think we all do you know why we that's why we don't walk up to anybody and just tell them all our information security numbers why because vetting. Yes yes we had. We had a case where Matt we're at a conference it was it was matt myself and and David would okay here we are. The pastors takes us to dinner before the conference. We just lost Chris. He takes us to dinner. And there's there's one chair that's against the wall facing the restaurant and the three of us are all fighting over. Who gets that chair and Kevin have our backs to the door? You want correct so we can watch so. I ended up winning based on this. This was the argument that this was the lodge. We're all fighting trying to give reasons why we needed. That chair Matt was like well. I GET ATTACK. More turned to man said yes. But you're you're in New Jersey now and you can't carry therefore you you're the worst out of all of us because you in that position you can't do anything and David arguing over. Who has more of a karate and martial arts background to WHO could defend the most of us so I won I got. I got the prime location. David got the second location of Matt was in the works. Look I look at it this way. Once the primary ones got it doesn't really matter know Nathan I have a buddy buddy named Nathan here. He carries all the time and whenever we go out and he plays together. It's always it's always discuss. Who's GonNa sit where strategically it's not like? We're just waiting for something to happen. It's just you know it's just like hey you got you got your back okay. We've got you know we're good. Nathan Nathan doesn't carry. He double carries. I mean get it right. Does because he carries he carries twice in case. Someone else needs something. But you'll you'll like this comment from Donnie jets. He says we all take. We all take turns making fun of Andrew. We should do a show making fun of Andrew. Oh that could be. You could do a compilation. Somebody make a compilation of all the time. Did you young? Yeah right but see the thing but I do have. I do have an advantage because there are others who take cracks at Matt on on my behalf. There's a lot and and so you know I have. I have that. Where sometimes people will you know? We'll bust on Matt just because well. I kinda think he's. He's deserving it but let's see if we could. We could find a clip like this was the one that helps you get The podcast backup. He did get the podcast did it. Don't you think you dinner for that? He didn't even other shows like we joke around. Who's going to buy? And he's out smarter to be a couple times but the best one. The best one was we went. We were in Utah and Late like eleven or midnight. Whatever it was ten and He was feeling a little bit under the weather. Just a little bit not sick but you know just a little down as okay so we go to McDonalds. This is doing witnessing to Mormons. Have been out there for hours. You know and the whole thing and so we come back and we're going to go there and we we've had wrestling matches over things and I've I've taken things he's taken anyway so we're like big children. We're entertainment for many people in this right. So I push push it. He goes he goes. Look I it cost to go ahead and I could tell he's not feeling like okay. Great and so take my card and I pay and he goes. I had paid for mine. You you let me pay for mine pay. I had walked away feeling right. Yeah that's right and so then I buy mine and I remember going to see them on my own stuff. Ha tried before the fault him walk over Twenty Thirty Feet to the soda machine to get something and the girl behind the counter goes. Hey Sir I look over. She goes you car. Didn't go through and I would no longer 'cause he goes. He puts his car down. There was no way stowaway that I could get back in time. It was you know. Actually I want that funny thing. The lady behind the counter was the funny all the time like the lady behind the counter turns me Matt Matt and I are both trying to pay for mine and I I had with my phone and because I wave my phone. It was faster than mets slip in the thing and so the lady behind the counter and this is definitely not the training. She got at McDonald's on how to treat customers. She turns tobacco your loser and so we we of course instantly loved her. She was like the greatest but when Matt didn't pay the second time he walks over there and she goes. You're such a loser. If there was a contest for losers you'd come in it was. That was his. Yeah it's been running joke and the reason it's running joke kind of things because twenty years ago bill. Mckeever is an expert on mormonism. We both live in San Diego and call them up one day ahead. You take you to lunch and Milan. She goes okay so I drove forty minutes. He bought it so now I want to to and and two months later I call them up. I go hey dude. I owe you a couple of lunches. Let's go come on down. He goes okay great and so came down and I still remember them. I still remember this to this moment. I'm sitting there again or pay. Go like that and no lie. I forgot my wallet for the Second Time I sat there and I can see the future. I remember just pausing going mocking forever here. It comes and he looked at me at lit up and he goes. You forgot you get at it. Started installing is so. It's kind of a running joke. And so whenever I see bill mckeever. Everybody knows bill. He's he's an expert on Mormonism and Utah. I say. Tell bill that he owes me a lunch. It's a yeah there was. That was the first thing with first time I met when I was when you knew I was going to be meeting bill. You're like hey make sure to let them know that he owes me a lunch. Running joke trend tomorrow. Did you notice a trend with Andrew Restaurant in New Jersey? I'd get up twenty minutes early to go pay the bill and he'd already had it taken care of Jer. You don't even the 'cause you jerk for vitamin meal. Did you notice the trend though Matt never pays for meals and not remember we were at I think it was? It was Wendy or something and I have my wallet go ahead got buyers great and you had your beer pay watch and you moved your watch over by the SEGA. Pays okay. This is how this happened. So we go to a Chick-fil-a Churn Matt Matt made me Thomas that I wouldn't take my wallet out and I said no problem. I won't take my wallet. I promise all happy and I take my phone and it just wave over the thing. I hear the Ding. I put my phone away and she goes. Oh It's right here. What he paid for it and he goes picture this in this restaurant and he when she goes. Oh you used his phone. He used apple pay and he goes and he did it so loud. This entire restaurant is looking at him and he didn't. He never knew about apple. Pay Google pays so so the next time he's like I don't get nothing and I said I won't take anything out. I just leaned my watch over. We're GONNA try tie this into some racism to it's a Jewish trying to be financially superior to Germans somehow is getting back to tyranny. Put Me over the air. Because it's a long complicated plot. It's you know it's really bad. Jamal is I've actually called up. His radio station is radio program. Mexico live and I call in. I'd just go. Why do you call me a jerk? And then I make him have to explain to his own audience. I know Twits WANNA comment. John Brown area Mason earlier and I'm thankful for him being the comment. Because sometimes you know you're thinking about something. Didn't he just lose it like lose? We talk about something so air mason. He is he's a founder impassive Epiphany Fellowship in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. That's where he's from and I got. I got a good friend of mine who lives in Pennsylvania. It kills me that I can remember the state but yeah so he's from Philly and I'm fifty fellowship now he. He's a Christian Bradley you. This is a lot of his service. Gospel centered and everything else. It just when he came to this when it comes to this issue I got serious qualms with him you know. And it's faster this when she was of a wellness and what being woken everything else already says his his book It he's talked out how he he draws his. He's draws his premise for being woke from. Wbz Boys who was an atheist is on the whole. The whole thing is based off premise of their basic by people have this double consciousness. Imbo Eric Mason comes home and he says well because he's a Christian he adds Christ right Christ consciousness so you gotTa do you have all three and Christ consciousness. That's just the anchor that hose it. Hose or anything else keeps everything else in place but the truly be woke you must possess all three levels of consciousness in this in this double consciousness that wbz boys talked about. Was THAT BLACK PEOPLE. And it's only for black people. He didn't mention this for all people. Just black people being aware of how. How your view society and the fact that you and then how how who you are as a black person so you gotta be aware of those two things and that's your consciousness and then on. Mason says is you got to be a Christian to be truly woking must be a Christian and have you know and so it was a lot you know. It's I really liked that. But it's like when he came out with a book. It was very controversial. You know and all this thing of Christ consciousness and I mean it's a new age term and it's a mysticism term. Not that he's guilty of that in it because they said the Christ consciousness that's really disturbing someone Should know not to use a phrase like that because it can inadvertently affirmative concept. That people don't know by that term but that's just a a point but Yeah I you know one of the things that I've been concerned about is. I don't believe her different races and I'm serious. I don't believe there's different races isn't just one race in a different Different forms different colors. Different Heights different. Whatevers and And that's it in fact Two of my daughters are attracted to black guys. I don't care because I care about is are you Christian? Do you love the Lord? You're going to be pretty good protector and provider and you may have integrity. That's all I care about. That's how it's supposed to be so I don't see someone as black or Asian. Though I know certainly notice that I know in my head. No there's one race. We're all our our ancient father and mother are the same. Adam and Eve were all made in the image of God and that's how it is and that's how it needs to be with that because our take blaming Blaming OTHERS FOR OUR SITUATION. I got plenty try. Got Plenty of people to blame for my situation. Being as bad as it is in some areas and I'll tell you not a single one of them was white with black or Asian. The ones that gave me by far the most difficulty administering and all kinds of things without exception. There's always been white people getting. Does that mean that I hate them? No it happens you move on and on and go to wrap things. Wrap up the show. Here's the thing that we see. You know there's a couple factors that I hope you guys pick up one as matches said there's one race we are the human race the difference the genetic difference between any human you know from. Jamal to me is point zero nine two more so guys so we're talking about the seem race. Okay so the. The fact is that we're single race. The other thing that I hope pick up on throughout the show was the fact that they have a different definition. The social justice words have a different definition of justice. It's not the justice that we see from God. It's a justice that says that. If you have something that I want and I can make an excuse for having it. You should give it to me okay but that system never works because everybody wants what everyone else has and once they have it. I mean a great example Bernie. Sanders was always against millionaires until he became a millionaire and then he was against billionaires and it was the one of the funniest lines from Michael Bloomberg. That's the fact here. You got a guy that's totally into this stuff. All millionaires are bad until he becomes then billionaires the bad people. That's the problem this. It's a system of justice that is impossible to work because it's not based on an objective. Standard it is based on a subject of Standard. We know scripture is that all justices based on an objective standard. That standard is the character and nature of Almighty God. That's the standard that everything is judged by as being just or unjust and so that is the standard. Go by Jamal. I appreciate you coming on. folks go and check out the prescribed truth. Podcast you don't WanNa miss an episode Go back and binge all the old ones that you missed. Because he's got some great stuff on Martin Luther King Junior It some of this stuff that we're talking about other issues. The one we referred to where he went into the the stats. Checkout Dot Org Who's the Guy Tema? Who's The guy that runs Karm Dot Org? What's that guy's name Matt Slick Slick? Yeah would you. Would you trust the guy named Reverend Slick? I Mean Seriously Folks Reverend Slack here I am I mean just you know. It's got to be a radio name so check out. Metzler live as well. You can go to striving for attorney. Check out my podcast as well with the RAP report I don't even remember what I have coming up this week but I'm sure it's good. I think I recorded it Birdie but So check out the different podcast that we have at the Christian podcast community If you want to check those out just go to Christian podcast community dot. Org check them out there so thanks for coming on. Thanks for those who watched. I hope this was helpful for you. we're not sure what we're doing next week. We do have a couple of things planned that may be a series And I'm not sure whether we're GONNA get mad involve nece it. Might you know might be good. But we're we gotta see So but that we're still working some things out but we do have some. It's going to be an interesting interview that we have That someone requested so we that remember to strive to make today and Attornal Day for the glory of God.
Javon Johnson (Ep. 30, 2021)
"Support comes from bill dickerson. Southwest featuring the redesign forte compact sedan now with standard forward collision avoidance assist lane keeping assist and rear camera. North austin and round rock southwest. Kia calm took from the university of texas at austin k. Ut radio this is in black america in high school. We had called the debate tournament and one of the categories of dual interpretation into acting. So i competed a friend of mine had been competing and her partner dropped out on her middle. Ms and she said can you take place. And i. i ain't gonna love hiking. So i guess he thought i had the personality to do it. Like yeah i'll do that. I happy out became team and we was doing good isa in our terrible because we got judicata diplomats and all of my all my scores were in the rated hers where the green and i'm beginning to see the disappointment on her because she was used to being competitive and i was i ask myself. Wow i'm letting her down. And i could see it and she wouldn't tell me that but it without being so one night i was watching the colorful and watching danny glover mr. And whatever he was doing what. I can. And i said i got to do that. I do that thing. Then he thought right now renowned. Play right and producer. Jon johnson is back is richard. Haass in tyler. Perry's the ogle airing on black entertainment television series and plays pro family man and stained white house butler who has served on the so administrations at the white house longer than anyone else there from a young age and thanks to the assistance of the school choir director johnson love and interest in deforming are able to grow and thrive and we're going to receive a scholarship in ten seven carolina state university after changing his major to acting equally and most himself into the program. Were gone to earn a bachelor's degree before going on to receive a master's of fine arts at the university of his birth also. This renaissance man has roosting over his conservatory center. Call their fruit conservatory. I'm john johansen junior and welcome to another edition of in black america. On this week's program. Jan johnson co-star tyler perry's the oval in black on. They're going to make it so everything yes. Everything suffers personal office boxes and they are in the hit. Butlers care yes and respectfully these people are capable. They've been doing it many years. Great what about the kids handling his personal office. Richard told sir. This is richard our head butler richard. This is donald winter chief-of-staff ulcer from office. Yes sir movers here. No no movers. I need you to handle this highly sensitive materials. We're doing her. I will thank you. It's almost impossible in one president and out of the white house another within a matter of we've been doing this for years you've been working author administration sir. And he's been amazing can do thank you sir sir. You should be getting to the motorcade. We have it all covered here at promise. Thank you are big big. All she worries. I'm glad we have you. Yeah yeah i am. Pleased with the character of land where he's going especially season two. You really get in you know. Richest heart is really online right. He's all he's on the table man and he's just he's taking which is good you know because he's such He wanted to more grounded characters on show a little nervous to see where he ends up. Because he's in a world of chaotic characters and he's been one of the more grounded characters and but it's nice to be a character who's fighting for that stability in that security and themselves trying to measure his morals morals always tested. His integrity is always tested. But he's also a prideful man. He's a man of integrity. The ministers so it was a great dynamic is an actor to have to navigate through that madness and try to maintain maintain what he's built in terms of his family his reputation. And it's so i'm enjoying. I was just hope that he doesn't go to van. Johnson is an actor. Playwright producer director known for american soul survivors. Remorse barbershop to and the oval ridden directed and executive produced by tyler. Perry the over his political drama series. That tells the stroke of us. President hunter franklin and first lady victoria franklin a power hungry interracial couple who presents a perfect decide to the worldwide indulging and wiley scandalous behavior behind closed doors born and raised in anderson south carolina. Johnston grew up in a blue collar. Community that focus on hard work and supporting the community to that end johnson has never forgotten where he came from that teenager working forty hours a week with no thought of a future beyond that he knows the town of people who put in decades of intense work while the artistic dreams lied. Norman inside the spirit out of that realization. His bear fruit conservatory was born. Recently in black. America caught up with johnson. Honest sentiment coming christmas movie. He was filming. Give us an idea. What was it. Like going. Up in anderson south carolina Listen and this is all come on. It is probably about population of small town. Maybe twenty thousand. My you know it was. You know saturday both manasota. Well i'm on now but You know really good friends but he from the same hometown But there wasn't much to our community the that contribute to where we ended up in the industry so Little black boys and alison. We're not talking about being active or writers autism talking about paying football. He's talking about going to the takes all automotive industry. Maybe somebody was talking about rampant. We didn't really we didn't really have you know dreams like what we what we ended up doing so there wasn't much fear in terms of that in that community. You know if you if you put thirty or forty years at at the bmw automotive plant. That's a good life There's nothing wrong with that but it just wasn't a community that You an outlet or any permissions draining in terms of the entertainment career that we have right now. So that's what it was like. So how did you happen to major in acting at south carolina state university shoveling. I wasn't i wasn't. I wasn't intending to go to college. My i was raised on my maternal side of the family. Probably the highest education on that side of the family was probably a high school diploma. So college was not in the conversation I wasn't intending to go to college. Though saying footballing getting recruited to play football but then realized the only like the sport payments people. I grew up with. I didn't like it as a college or career. You know Go there wasn't what. I love the sport enough to keep continue with it receiver. I y receiving of you know. I got to thinking that they. I don't know if i if i was forced to make the nfl. I don't know if i want to do your job harrison newness so i think my head on not gonna want that you know my life so But there was my high school choir teacher. I was on the choir high school. She made me go to college and she said you're going to college and i said i can't afford college and she said i wanna get your scholarship and as a coal scholarship and i and i can't think But she wanted this little blackboard to go higher education. Shit i guess. He saw something in me so i went back home and say mom. I got a scholarship. And that's what everybody out and up on the south carolina state university. And i was gonna music department and i realized very quickly these these people really seeing the seriously and i'm sitting there trying to hold a note and blend in and but i was passing the theater building every day. Henderson davis theater building in the middle of the campus. And i kept looking at it. And eventually i said let me go in that building because it was speaking to me it was it was a connection with the building went in and sort of short. I gave up my scholarship and got a theater. Scholarship and became a theater president and it just kept boston there. I read somewhere that you saw. Danny glover's i guess performance in the color purple. And that made you want to continue becoming inactive. Yeah in high school. We had called the speech and debate tournaments and one of the One of the categories was duo interpretation and dual acting so i competed A friend of mine have been competing and her partner dropped off dropped out on her middle mid tournament and she said can you take his place and i didn't know what acting was i was like i was a bit of a high school class clown so he had the personality to do it like. Yeah i'll do that. You know. I have the out. So i became a her scene partner and we was doing Beneath a guy on the radio in the side. I was terrible. 'cause we gotta do to create it separately and all of my scores. All schools were in the red hers in the green. And i begin to see the disappointment on her because she was used to being competitive and i said to myself. Wow i'm letting her. And i could see it and she wouldn't tell me that but it was obvious and so when i was watching the color purple and i watching danny glover as mr and what he was doing. I said that's what i think. And i said i gotta do that. I gotta do that thing. Then he's doing right now. And i don't know what that meant to me but i took that you know. In retrospect i think it was his commitment and his passing and his honesty in it and the moment that was grading. I think that's what i connected to that. That became acting to me at that time. 'cause there was no training had no training. No idea what. I was so committed to that in the way that i thought danny glover committed to mr and color purple and that year we were state runner up in the following year. We want state championship. So that was my first kind of foray into acting. But even even then i didn't think twice about. Oh i do like having stayed up and tell it or calling anything. It was just something. I did for france. Who asked me to do it. And i just needed to do better at it. That's when did you get to call the audition for the oval I think it was two thousand and nineteen. When i got the call for the almost turned it down. 'cause i 'cause i worked with tyler before over the decades but i have been played a lot of pastors on tv and film and i say why don't pay these pastors and then this butler role came and i'd say stop paying pastors. Why would i go to a butler. And i was like it. Didn't it didn't appeal to me to play a butler in the white house of that sounded boring. And so i only into this. Because that was the casting director. And i said well i have not been in the wrong raven drama for quite some time. So that's why wait to know so. I went to the audition because even casting. I had been rolled with her in about a year But for i'm glad i did. I got the part. And then i discovered that there was way more to the role than i thought it would be and in tyler. Perry calling me the next day after the addition to talk about that which was amazing. The wake up in the more and get a call from the doesn't happen but he wanted to see so. I'll be out of this. Anyone to talk to me directly about the character and the projection of the character. And i was like wow this is this is great and so we all. You're young mashing feeling doing so she keeps on coming around and i guess she wants to see kelly but she is saying. Listen to me now you are doing the right thing for your daughter doesn't seem to think so well. Mother has compassion for everybody. I get compassion but route part of a cult and those people are crazy. The you know they say that the one they called the highest. He's actually married to the young girls. Oh so you don't know that to be true when i do them. Daughter will not be around. You have custody. what are you worried about. We've got a problem. What is you'll see me. Excuse me on richard well. Apparently i'm gail the first daughter of where would you like some coffee. I wanna burger. We get that for you right way. This is jean she will be assigned to. You can see so you to your home. I want him to show me. Sorry man are playwright. Yes when you look at your role as the butler. Have you been satisfied how it has developed over the years because i remember the first episode when the phone comes with a moving you know moving into the white house and how you had a significant part in that particular. That particular episode. Yeah yeah. I am Fees with the character in ways going Especially season to where you really get in. You know richest heart is really online right if he's all and he's on the table man he's just he's taking which is good you know because he's such he's one the more grounded characters on the show. I'm a little nervous to see what he ends up. Because he's a world of chaotic characters and he's been one of the more grounded characters and but it's nice to be a character who's fighting for that stability and that security themselves and trying to measure his morals morals always tested in. Everyone's always tested. But he's also a prideful man. He's a man of integrity. The minnesota's so is a great dynamic. As i have to navigate through that madness and try to maintain maintain what he's built in terms of his family and his reputation. And it's so i'm enjoying. I'm just hope that he doesn't go to well. Opportunistically enjoy it as you being a father and some of the trials and tribulation that your son is going through and has gone through an having him helping him navigate his space. Yeah yeah yeah. That's talking the father particularly speaking to you. Know being black father Where now and you know. You're in boston and get a little hot headed and they're very impulsive and don't really think about causes questions before they think about action and so he richard definitely trying to manage vary in that way. We're gonna keep him. Keep him safe at the end of the day when you when you when you drive onto the lot. A lotta actress don't have an opportunity to work with people of color. You have an opportunity to you. Know one work for studio owned by men of color but there are also people of color behind the behind the scenes. What does that feel like when you when you drive when you drive on the lot. It's amazing man. I think you know i hope. People really recognize the greatness. And the significance of tyler perry He's done something in my lifetime. That i think a lot of other Successful black entertainers could have done. But he did and he did at the highest level and he has become a dream. Builder and jim maker for a lot of people Most of the great great thing. I appreciate about that. Is that you walk in especially doing kobe. He come a lot of people in a lot of people working on people's tables people who may have lost homes and things like that. He's he say he provided an opportunity for them to be safe financially and take care of their families and that's that's greatness and he's a person of service and walk into a situation like that where you see hundreds of people employed who look like you and and all there for the same calls is amazing. Because you don't really get that from majority of my career and that's not what you know what i mean So that's that's made the name to be a part of that before we began this conversation. You said you onset for a christmas movie on series yes Christmas movie Someday at christmas. We're in the process Philly right now. We just started filming on this dan. If you're just joining us. I'm jelio hanson junior. And you're listening to in black america from radio and was speaking with actor director riley and producer japan johnson currently star in the oval. Mr johnson talk to about bear fruit. Their food is You know. I spoke earlier about me. You asked me up in. And so i was like. There's a huge void. One thing one thing. That was really disappointing to me. That what i went back to south carolina. I could not work on professionally. I couldn't afford to work. There was no the union houses that there was no major major productions and i thought that was extremely sad that most of the work that i do is particularly in theater. My family in south carolina. Don't get to see the bulk of that work. Because they may not be able to get up and travel all the time this cog or new york to see a show only thing they get to see what's on television and failed and i thought how sad is that i have this career and i come home and it's nothing i can do with it and you know if you gotta taboo maybe comes out of saying you got other people that are coming out of that community who you may not know that. That's what they from but they have good. You know that's careers. That's the indication because more of us there were just hibernating and we're just hidden because the state the community has not given us mission. Even talk about what we wanna do. And we don't may we may not see an outlet for it so so most of us are traveling to new york and going to la and going atlanta. Trying to chase the dream. And i thought well why don't wanna build it. Why just treat 'cause 'cause i see the value in it see it as necessary and a run across too many talented people who don't know what to do with their and don't even understand what their gifts on said. Let me do the school. And so let's bear fruit. Conservatory was birthed out of that. Need of providing something For for that community of artists. Who don't even know there ours So that's doing their so high as a response been it's been great. We haven't officially did Official opening it does not until june. We did a sauced opening internet But the official opening in june people are excited. We have been nonprofit so we got a great strong work together. A local individuals. The the community is excited about the possibility of it. Because it doesn't exist it just build a leg in the middle of the desert You know what i mean. People are waiting to get to the water. So hopefully we can. We can Everything goes into. Joe will be up and running. Besides you plan. Richard on over. You also play. George johnston on american soul. Yeah it was great. I love america. So you know isn't not like seventies man era man and in seoul training for those that grew up on soul train. I would not miss an episode by my mom. You know we we we all hold it up and just at the dunkin news and couldn't wait for the soul train line the started and he didn't even don't everybody always knew how what the puzzle was. We just played it in that. We didn't know you know the way so all of it was the nostalgia of that man. And being in the seventies you know sue sue the era of the music of weeks and all that stuff. I love the name. It's great productions. They do great work and so having been in this industry have what i have other than you know. Talent perry becoming more involved on on on the business end of it. Some of the changes that you witnessed thus far i mean right now like looking real good but i like is back as getting more and more beautiful and more and more oppressive than valuable and then a reflection of what. We're doing the social climate. These days the the heightened sensibilities toys you know a racial tension and america. But it is a lot of ways. The door has opened primarily for for african american women which is great because they've been pushed it a four-point the voices are being heard And it's just creating more opportunities for us to begin to tell our stories and be responsible for our stories you know as you. Oftentimes other people tell our stories for us But we're the type of shifting a little bit in a really good way as late so i'm hoping that the momentum continues on are there any other particular works. You're working on as far as writing. Yeah consummate is a big category of original content that I'm just now getting to the point where we get those things done Prepping now to shoot and independent field Hoping to end south carolina. 'cause i wanna do a lot of work at home of course They'd be feature failed that trying to get into production This summer Just finished the film chicago in post production now So we've got a lot of writing always constantly writing always know concentration is probably the most powerful thing to do as an artist. Because you have your voice and you have that power of creating opportunity like does create opportunity. People created and so. I spent a lot of time doing that even more so than the acting. Any advice as far as trying to get in the industry one going to college versus it going to deactivate schools. Well i'll tell you what man. I'm gonna be honest response to that is. There's no way anybody could tell you how to get there so many doors. There's so many doors. You just have to decide on what your goal is where you're trying to get to and you got. Is that a westie. Most efficient effective route. You think you should take. I went to colegio route. Because i wanted to focus on training So i wanted to go the into an intensive program. And i wanted to focus on that part of it. You can go into a the actual institution. That's not collegiate data school and still get great training. You can go and get some people get training on the job. And they go as they navigate through the industry. They're learning they got so. There's no one way to tell anybody how to do it. Because if you if you intend to sit in this business business they got ten different stories of how you got there. You know what. I mean So you really have to really know what you want where you're going and then look at all the options and decide. This is the best route for me to take for me to stay. Committed to the course becomes it's going to be telling it doesn't matter which route you take you to get some walls some brick walls and you gotta fight your way through them. Can't turn back and give up. You know you gotta get through those big wall. So he's got to pick the route that you know that you can commit to that that gives you the best shot at getting where you want to go. I got one. I give got one final question. Mr johnson are. We're gonna find out who's your weiss may listen the data that baby. Yes sir. she was have yes. I was to find out so upset about that. We have an ongoing. We have an ongoing conversation of the different shows that tyler perry produces a rights or direct and we say how do they come up with this stuff from week to week. Gay keep it going man. He he keeps. He keeps being created man and keeps coming matches. Who do you think who do you think that that is. I think it's probably your brother because my brother brother but we don't see any final count as mrs johnson. I appreciate the interview if anybody wants to find out more about bear fruit conservatory they can go to. Www bear fruit sc dot com. That's bear as and be a are and nobody wants to reach me because The ground von johnson number one are divided up and dot net renown actress playwright and producer. James bond johnson co-star in tyler. Perry's the oval airing on black entertainment television. If you have questions comments or suggestions as future in black america programs. Email that in black america at k. u. t. dot. Org also. Let us know what rail station. You hurt us over. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast and follow us on facebook and twitter. You're gonna previous programs online k. U. t. dot. Org you can. Also listen to a special collection of black america programs at american archive of public broadcasting. 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Angela Lewis (Ep. 28, 2021)
"Support comes from southwest kia featuring the new celta subcompact. Suv with available turbo engine. Seven speed dual clutch transmission and all wheel drive two locations round rock and north austin southwest kia dot com From the university of texas at austin k ut radio this is in black america. Actually i have been in la for a year. I auditioned personnel. Saw didn't get it and then a year later almost exactly came back around. And i was like. Oh no this. Was that opening scene with louis. Fighting girls complain like that. Might i know this is an and i am getting ready to go overseas for a wedding. So i don't think i'm gonna be available for this and my manager was like us wrong. I will put a picture up at every gate in the airport. Do not let this on the plane. We check the vowed that. And when i made addition down and and i did the first time i didn't take the second time i went in person. Actress andrew lewis costa the delay john singleton f. x. series snowfall broadcast on fx on july fifth. Twenty seventeen. the crime drama series created by the late academy award nominated writer and director john. Singleton explores the crack cocaine epidemic in nineteen eighty los angeles. This series appeared on showtime in twenty fourteen and was picked up by fx ten episode season in september twenty sixteen in august twenty nineteen fx new series for four season filming was suspended due to covid nineteen pandemic in march twenty twenty one series renewal by fx for fifth season and snowfall lewis. A louis saint a hardened toughest nail drug addict with ambitious dreamscapes of south central los angeles and season four. She has taken over the trade and is ready to make her own name in the game. The detroit native is also a new mom giving birth to brooklyn and twenty nineteen along with a and j. battery cre- they are experienced enjoys being first time parents. I'm johnny o. Hanson junior and welcome to another edition of in black america on this week's program snowfall would actress angela. Lewis in black. America price points right but it can't on it. We said the market. We sell a hundred thousand off a single key. People become bay is. We'll catch when it does. We be making seven figures. Franklin is with without us better for him if we in drunk not a good life at only listed like enough rack. When i was a little girl that and bruce manhandled. Tv big old radio record player on top memo transmit from chicago w. l. sunday nights. They were playing live big band. That women in their evening dresses men and their tuxedos. Maybe i'm wanted more than anything. Be in that room logo right now. Maybe do seven figures a month. Baby this word will be whatever we wanted. I did a deep dive in louis and to get a better understanding of who she was and how she got to where she gives me where she was and what i discovered was that she you you know was abused and underestimated and told no and i just loved her so much and i really wanted her to win and i wanted to protect her and i wanted to bring her humanity to the screen and and i and i just didn't know if i thought if i say no i don't know who they're gonna give it to. What if they don't do a right. What what if she ends up being a stereotyped and so so i'd say yes to protect louis and then when i got there that's when i realized oh we're telling the truth here it is everybody's intentions bring the humanity the truth of the story and the humanity of these players. Angelou lewis has made a big impression with her. Co starring role in fx is snowfall the crime drama about the rise of crack cocaine in one thousand nine hundred eighty s los angeles the ethics series. Send around the can and bishop franklin saint who is described by the series website as young entre nous on will power lewis. Play on louis sank the tough but tend to run with was ready to help franklin when he becomes involved in the dangerous criminal enterprise that spawn devastating epidemic and addition to snowfall. Lewis has gone on a number of rose. From some of the most lustrous off broadway play productions to award winning drama television born and raised in detroit michigan lewis credit her drives assess to the city of detroit and the public school education. Should be at ten and cass technical high school where she was active in theater during the formative years she designed to be an actress and sue became an entertainment for the family. She received a degree in data performance at the university of michigan and soon after moved to new york city to pursue her acting career. Recently and black america spoke with talented actress. Thank you for having me. As we mentioned earlier we are both from the motor city. So tell us what was life like going up for you and detroit man. My experience of trade was really fun. my parents worked hard to keep me occupied. My dad would always say. Oh well it now. There's been too long Devil's workshop like nine the devil's workshop. So they kept me busy. My sister and i and all kinds of after school activities summer activities and you know taking long road trips to the south and the summer and dance classes and music classes and school plays and church play and requires everything. I went to base academy school for the gifted and talented from the third grade and eighth grade and prior to that. I was at david j keith. Elementary school shout out to them. And then i went to cass tech. And then i went to the university of michigan and then i moved to new york But yeah detroit. Was you know if you went to cast way right. Down there and cass or so it was you know one thing on the inside the school and then a whole other thing outside. Yeah so yeah it was you know. I always say my parents like. I don't feel like i was you know coddled so to speak where Sheltered but i was definitely protected. But the city was the seating and you know there were good things and bad things about it You know i went to baylor houses like everybody else. I thought crack vials outside the school. On the you know the in the gutter you know so. We got a little bit of everything. What was it about cats. I spoke with one of your love. Rebecca coleman who is now a judge for for harper would say they are two people that to youngsters that grew up in detroit those at once a cast tech and those who wanted to go to cast sick xactly the only people that existed. So what was it about kansas. Amer theater program. Yes they do. The deal program was well. it was rent who Oh my goodness. I can't remember the woman who was over. The pro. graham was took over over the program. She was a drama teacher. But it felt like she was over the program. And that's who. I studied with and now his tony award winning educator And she's definitely Gave me my foundation and acting and All the a lot of the skills and techniques and stuff that you know that really helps me to be ahead of the game in college and beyond you know and i still use some of her things that she taught so. I think that's phenomenal. Could be teaching high school kids. You know some serious really deal acting. Do you remember that. I do remember that five at can. Well yeah my first play at cast with call runaway and then my first major production cast was once on. This island was a character Well in once on this island. I play t moon so they were to t- moon that we will khanate Shows and to move with the league character and she was a young island girl who was determined to have a better life and to get out of her situation she fell in love with daniel and daniel was from the other side of the island and he was fine and rich and she didn't care she just wanted to you know nursing back to life and being love forever but you know their families. You know like a a caribbean romeo and juliet on you. Know they're like not the could be together and then it even a history of The bozon falling in love with the with the island women and you know have any babies and yeah. It gets deep so michigan university of mri. Your first choice. Not only choice. You know michigan actually was my last tour church okay But i did not get into their acting program and i. My plan was then okay. I'm going to go. And i'm going to study liberal arts for a year and then i'm gonna read for the acting program and my parents were like know what you're gonna do is go to michigan. 'cause i had already been accepted to michigan and so i was devastated and i said okay. What else am i gonna do. You know i guess. My parents lay down the law and i- bishen for the theater program and There at michigan and got in and So that's where. I ended up going and i ended up being the best thing. I had such an amazing time michigan. And you know such a huge school. So i ended up. You know making friends with people. Who are you know into all kinds of things in my network is you know amazing and i definitely would not have had that experience at suny purchase. So i'm i'm really grateful. I ended up in michigan. Being a wolverine. And you know all of that. So i guess. She was pulling for michigan during the final four. Absolutely i was on that allied now. Yeah so from michigan. You moved to new york. Was that immediately anytime in between before. You made that decision to go to the big apple. There was a year between a friend of mine Who i grew up with. She was in the program with me as well. We decided that the smart thing to do would be to save some money and plan our moved to new york as opposed to just jumping up and going out there with nothing and no plan and you know she felt like that wasn't smart and she was probably right so We both and she you know she was from detroit too. So we both stayed in detroit for a year and ipod. Spain elementary and middle school. And she taught it i think it was highland park Elementary and We both popped drama. Were year and then i did that. Year we moved to new york and it was right after nine. Eleven and my parents were like what are you doing. Are you crazy. And i was like listen. If i don't go now. I may never go because i have been offered the department head positions and spain and i was like no it all gonna do. There's worry year. And if i think i'm gonna be forever And i just knew that you know You know. I had always been really good at teaching. And i i still feel like i am a teacher at heart but i also had a dream that i wanted to follow and i knew that if i didn't follow that dream gonna in that i don't know we just didn't get dark and ugly and so for me to go. Yeah talk to about once you moved to new york was it difficult and finding work was stage work or television work or movie work available. How did you navigate that space. Oh yeah it was really difficult It was mostly theater work and you know for the majority of my time in new york and you know beat the pavement. Just like every other struggling after out there. I started by doing readings with the frank surveyor writer's workshop up in harlem and i went up there i heard about them through the backstage or something like that or maybe word of mouth but i went up there and they're always looking for actors and i you know jumped into somebody reading and i guess they liked what i did and when another writer needed them after a young black actor female you know they gave him my name and then i you know did that and did some other. You know readings. And before. I knew it. You know it's like you know as you're working and in growing and whatever that you're doing the people around you are also doing their thing and so some of those writers you know began to expand down you know into the Mid city and do other things bigger things you know and and so with that went my reputation and so i started being able to do bigger readings and then that led to you know other things and then at the same time i was just like you know through the backstage auditioning for theater visually for some you know independent salt or whatever and you know it and it just you know got bigger naturally when you work hard and and keep your your nose to the ground We find out about things and people give your names casting directors and other writers and probably just got bigger and bigger recount organically. You know if you're just joining us i'm john. L. hanson junior and you're listening to n. Black america from k. Ut radio he's being when actress angela. Lewis co-star in snowfall on f x ms lewis. How did you get your audition for snowfall. Well though by that time i was living in. La had been in la for two years and actually have been in la for a year. I auditioned for snowfall. Didn't get it And then a year later almost exactly it came back around. And i was like i know dishes but this was the opening thing louis. Fighting girl don't forget like that. I'm like i know. And i am getting ready to go overseas for a wedding so i don't think i'm gonna be available for this and my manager was like if you both this wrong. I put your picture up at every gate in the airport. Do not let this woman on the plane so we check out about that. And i you know maybe audition down and and oh no this. The first time. I did an vision. Take the second time. I went in person Dishes and i got a call back later that afternoon i went to the callback and then the next day which happens to be my birthday. I went in for the chemistry read and i read with mr ayman joseph. He plays giron one other gentlemen and and it was the most amazing series of additions You know they're among my favorites and so After that they made me wait a week sitting on pins and needles. You know it had come out in the trade that amen book the job and i was like. Oh my god. They gave him the job of. Didn't give me the job we had. And i was just really bummed out. And and then i got the call. You know seven days. You know from maine chemistry. Read the book these be face users swing but dropped napalm on these people he. I don't know because this ain't la and ain't no damn gangs little rock and it wasn't no ozzy's either to you showed until yourself whatever you want but these people killed to make them into killers. I promise you know everybody who gets in this game ends up dropping bodies jerome gardiner's game to get rich right. Louie he got. Gosh you got close. You got jury. You've got globe you want the felt. You need not just what i need. And what is it about the anglia batra leaving going back to la. I'm going to tell be back tomorrow. What was it like working with john. Singleton rate john was such a giving individual and artists and he was very you know passionate and excited about you as an artist. And what you're bringing to the table and and There was no need for you. Know putting on airs or anything like that you know he was just really who and he bought for for me and for so many other artists to to get you know their break you know in front of the camera and behind the cameras so it. It was an honor to work with him. And you know it's funny. It's like it was an honor but it didn't feel like an honor like you know this is what it is and it's supposed to be that way and yeah great down now. Very few artists have an opportunity to participate in show that actually deals with real world life issues with snowfall does with the crack. Pedantic in la how does that make you feel as an artist of having an opportunity to actually do something that that reflects on basically american history. Our feels great. You know and that was key in me taking the role you know because when i i you know we all all being excited and going down i. I wasn't sure you know i. I didn't know these people these creators. I just knew that they were hollywood calling. We know how Are people are are presented in hollywood and and how we're portrayed in the media and in the storytelling is I would like do. I wanna be a part of the show them away. You know drugs and bright people in drugs and i just wasn't sure and I did a deep dive in louis and to get a better understanding of who she was and how she got to where she using where she was and what i discovered was that you know she you know was abused and underestimated told no and i just loved her so much and i really wanted her to win and i wanted to protect her and i wanted to bring her humanity to the screen and and i and i just didn't know if i thought if i say no i don't know who they're going to give it to and what if they don't do her right but what if she ends up being a stereotype and so so yes to protect louis and then when i got there that's when i realized oh we're telling the truth here it is everybody's intention to bring the humanity the truth of the story and the humanity of the characters to screen you know and i just feel so grateful and so honored to be among those a my among that number were there particular shootings or screen does far that you had difficult in a shooting. You i mean louis opening scenes with hard. Because you know. I'm not a fighter off. I had it was really the beginning of me. Really understanding the difference between louis and myself and you know just having him let go of some of my Love you know Lose definitely was not leading with love. And that moment. And i had to get free you know. Give free and meg go of of my Compassion and you know just step out of that for a moment in order to to really sell that moment. Another difficult moment what you know what they any moments where louis is really expressive really Pissed off or really going for what she knows. It's hurt or what she thinks is right Those are are more challenging for me. Because i tend to go about things a little differently and for better or worse i tend to not always speak up and so i'm i'm learning from the we you know to be up and and What i appreciate about louis. And i actually think we have in common is very strategic so Yeah but it's those moments where she's and and and and really going for her Tend to struggle with it on the stand before i let you go up. Miss lewis tells about this journey would motherhood. Obviously you're working. And how you mixing the two navigating ness base. Yeah i'm really discharging to stay in the moment and taking it one step at a time. Because that's all i can do Both my career and my role as mom and whites all You know are very demanding. And i always imagined that i would be juggling. Those three things And so it is a joyous challenge But it is a challenge and you know. I'm not perfect and i'm not trying to be perfect so i just really try to I really try to be in the moment you. And how do you come up with your daughter's name brooklyn that is a. It's a multi layered thing so One of my earpods just die so let me. Just make sure that i have you on. Okay there we got still got you okay. Great so i My husband's mom passed away in two thousand and eight and her name was lane. The art comes from her name. My husband and i both The beginnings of our a love story will it actually started in la hoya but we lived in brooklyn for many years. And so there's that car and so very fond memory brooklyn And then fun. Fact is brooklyn the borough of brooklyn's Area code seven. One eight. Which happens to be my husband's birthday and so it's just working on ellen. Whole level commerce angela Watch this everybody wants to show check me out on instagram and twitter at love angela. Lewis l l. uv and lewis. And that's it brad. Love yeah and you louis. Costa of ethics is serious snowfall. If you have questions comments off digestion asked you future in black america programs. Email us at in black. America and k. u. t. dot. Org also. let us know what radio station you heard is over. Don't forget to squad to our podcast and follow us on facebook and twitter. 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Mary Wilson (Ep. 29, 2021)
"You can support all of our kt kt x. podcasts and programs through a sustaining membership learn. How at ku t dot org or ku txz detail. G enjoy the program. A from the university of texas at austin k. Ut radio this is in black. America were then like. I think diane was thirteen. I was thirteen throwing thirteen and a half. She was older than us right. And so we actually. We were hers with eddie and paul As primes and for me a couple of weeks it was only a couple of weeks and pretty soon We started doing local days at the gold coast theater in detroit. The fox theater just little things that we weren't recording and we had a guitarist who became later became the miracles guitars mark tar carpet but he was always first so we did all these little local record. Hops right and then We we we we on the show with a lot of other recording artists. So we set ourselves. Now we've fifteen now. We said maybe we should try to think of recording the lake. Mary wilson co-founder. The legendary supremes died on february. Eight twenty twenty one. She seventy six lead vocalist diana ross and founding member applause ballot and with valid replacement. Cindy birdsong listen appeared on all twelve of number one hits from one thousand nine hundred sixty four nineteen sixty nine during that period the group charter of sixteen top ten pop singles nineteen top ten singles. Six of them went to the top of the child. Like many motown wilson. Diana ross influenced ballad. Grew up in detroit. And we're still in their teams when they were signed in nineteen sixty one by berry gordy to his son record label in one thousand nine. Eight wilson accepted the stages lifetime achievement award on behalf of their inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame and nineteen ninety four to receive a star on the hollywood walk of fame and in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. They were inducted into the vocal group hall of fame. I'm johnny o hanson junior and welcome to another edition of in black america on this week's program a tribute to mary wilson. Co-founder other supremes imblack on there him with our kid way bird. What happened was we were. Would we commit any and paul. I'm sorry i didn't say that one of the other girls who dating one of the guys bitty mc lawn was there so she made up the four of us that same day. We knew came the prime minister and we were four. So the betty stay with us for like a year. She was a year and a half older than us. She's a little older and she got married after that first year. And after that we got Another girl who's recommended. By melvin of the temptations otis williams and the distance steel. And so melvin said girl who would fit right in with you and her name was barbara barbara martin and so barbara join us and for another year so we went to motown. We auditioning on envir- was there for that in. That barbara was on our first Album meet the supremes. She was on most of those songs and she was a supreme she had signed as a supreme. So there were four supremes. People are not aware that mary wilson was a singer best selling author motivational speaker businesswoman former. Us culture embassador mother and grandmother as a founding member of supreme. She had a front row seat to the making of an american institution. Motown records wilson died on february eighth. Twenty twenty one. She was seventy six as the were almost famous female tree or supremes recorded twelve number. One hits nineteen sixty four to nineteen. Sixty-nine growing up in detroit. Bruce project wilson enjoys a passion for singing performing an elementary school. talent show. She met longtime friend and future group make floors ballot and one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. The group was too young to sign with motown and berry gordy suggestions. They come back when they graduated high school two years later. Very gone florence ballard. Ross and mary. Wilson officially became supremes in the spring of twenty nineteen wilson's on the ut austin campus as part of the stumbling on race in america and the opening of the motown sixty years. It's real usa exhibit at the lbj. Library grew up in mississippi. Moved to you grew up in mississippi. Then you know. I grew up in detroit. Michigan grew up in detroit. I was born born in detroit was go till like by going up in detroit. Well you know first of all Detroit was one of those cities that people migrated from the south. And my parents. My they all you know. So we so when we. When i grew up i like five years old when i realized where i was right and it was great. Living in detroit michigan because detroit was a great city. And it's coming back to let you know everyone who's bump detroit it's coming back and so you know. I grew up outside of michigan outside of detroit not into sits in the middle there and so is the suburbs by the detroit river in which was very very it was a wonderful place to grow up then when i finally moved in with my real mom because i was living there with my uncle. We had to move into the pot projects for me. It was kind of a step down. 'cause i had grown up. You know outside of detroit michigan and we had our own home and my aunt and uncle had their car. They had two jobs. You know we were really well off you know in the forties and fifties so When i had to move in with my mom however it was great. Because i met my brother and my sister and my mom my real mom and at first i was like you know i. I felt put down. Because my i felt adults lied to me about who i was but then in the projects in the brewster projects in detroit come in there with my mom and my new brother and sister. I found something that was joyful. This way all the people there were lots of people. I wasn't a user all those people and everybody was singing in the streets and they were dazzling and it became not a put-down for me. It was like great because really being with people. And i enjoyed it. That's when i met florence and diane and we started singing so it was kind of like i had to kind of lives. One was kind of quiet in the suburbs. And the other was loud but it was fun in the projects. Now you in florence hooked up prior to you are meeting. Diane tells about that relationship now. When when florence and i met we both were in elementary school We all lived in the brewster products. And diane live there too with her family however floors and i went to the same elementary school and diane was kind of to another school so we didn't really know her and one day at school. They said they're going to have a show and anyone who wanted to sing in the show. Join us well. I never thought. I was a singer however i was in choir glee club. Whatever but i thought everybody woke up singing so i didn't know it was a talent is what i'm saying. Anyway i'd say i had just seen you linemen and the teenagers On some tv show. And so when i signed up. I said i'm gonna sing frankie lymon and a teenager. Song and i- pantomime mind actually to their song. I'm not a juvenile delinquent. Show now we're in the fifth grade on the same show. Florence was a and. I didn't know her either. She just living the project thousands of people who are you. Don't you see people. You don't know that so anyway. She sings this song. She comes up there and she says oh. And i'm like whoa. She had such a huge beautiful voice and like she's only twelve or thirteen. Two words she and i got together and she says wow you had the crowd going and i send your voices beautiful and we say everyone starting these little groups. Let's let's if anyone asks us less kind of remember each other and we walked almost go. We became best friends next couple of weeks. Florence ran up to me and she said these two guys. Eddie kendricks and paul williams. We're putting a group together and her sister was dating their manager and they ask her if she wanted to be in a group. And so the meantime. Someone else was had asked diana across the street. So we're all kind of happens. I'm you know it wasn't like weeks a week before we met and So that yes in. We walked over to the guy's apartment down by the flame. Show bar all of us. The three of us and we talked about becoming friends that on that day. And that's kind of how we got together. How long would you all sing together. Prior to you. Actually go into the audition. Well we you know we. We were then like i think diane was thirteen. I was thirteen. Florence may have been thirteen and a half older than us right. And so we actually we were hers with eddie and paul As a primes and for me a couple of weeks there was only a couple of weeks and pretty soon We started doing local days at the gold coast theater in detroit. The fox theater just little things. We weren't recording and we had a guitarist who became who later became the miracles guitarist. Marc tardif carp but he was always first so we did all these local record. Hops right and then We on the show with a lot of other recording artists. So we set ourselves now. We're fifteen years old now. Maybe we should try to think of recording. And that's when we sold the miracles on tv claudette. Robinson robert bobby. Rogers and pete moore ron white. And so we said you know. I'm no smoking from a former neighborhood. Maybe i can ask him. You know if you can listen to the group. And we say can't could so we got to call him up and do whatever and he set up an interview at the clubhouse Robbins house and we went over there. Robinson i should say and the miracles. Listen to us and said oh you guys are really good. They say you'll get to and that's when we lost our guitars but anyway An audition was set up. Mr and that's how we eventually ended up there but that's another long story. You gotta read my book. The whole story more than three. The final three which is Well the cells on who were the other. I two more prior to that before diane forms and your south. What's what happened. Was we were when we met eddie and paul and i'm sorry i didn't say that One of the other girls who was dating one of the guys bitty glon was there so she made up the four of us that same day. We we came the primis and we were four. So the betty stay with us for like a year. She was a year and a half older than us was a little older and she got married that first year. And after that we got Another girl who's recommended by melvin of the temptations. They were oldest williams and a distance. Steel and so melvin. Said i know girl who fit right in with you. And her name was barbara Barbara martin and so barbara joined us and for another year so we went to motown. We auditioned motown environment. Was there for that. In fact barbara was on our first album. Meet the supremes. She was on most of those songs and she was a supreme she had scientists supreme. So there were four supremes. People are not aware that all right the supremes with the greatest of all girl groups who can forget baby love. You can't hurry love. Stop in the name of love and so many more in fact at one point they had five consecutive number. One singles rivaling the beatles in height of beatlemania. Please welcome to the stage. One of the founding members of the supremes miss mary wilson new mom Only okay please have a seat. Well that's a good run and you say wow yes but you know what. I've been listening on my background parts. You know ooh osborne baby baby baby. That doesn't ex- panel dhabi laughing. Because i was laughing all the way to the bank about fifty five. What there's so much to talk about because there's so much history that motown made and continues to make right up until today. I want to go back in time. And i want to ask the question because a lot of people ask this question of me as a music historian and probably if you to. It's the nineteen fifties late nineteen fifties and it's detroit in detroit. We have a lot of talent. Obviously because berry gordy who will ultimately sil- of it and take it out of detroit into not just america but the entire world. My question is was this unique to detroit or was it where you could go into any black neighborhood in the inner cities anywhere in america and find the same kind of talent because in new york. City you frankie lymon and the teenagers and they lived in a price so you do you did have talent everywhere ask do said it was a very good with his his dare to dream Being and we all we kind of went to motown so we had a place to go. I think that that's the difference. We had a place to go now. The supremes also have a backstory in terms of a name as well. You didn't start out as the supremes right. No actually should tell you as well but it was any kendricks and paul williams who became the temptation but they were originally the prime fries and so when we when we went to audition for them they gave us the name of primates. And as as claudette was saying begging those you had to say if you're a girl or a guy so this way everyone knew if you had a s a rail or whatever you were a girl and so that's how we got our name because we were named after the primes and it was amazing because when we went to motown to sign our first contract and this will we started. We were only thirteen. Fourteen years old okay. So by the time we got the motown i think around nine hundred sixty sixty one so we want to sign our contract. And mr gordon said okay you can sign your contract however you got to change that name. I don't like that name will. Are there any lawyers out there. Okay here's the thing as sixteen. We did not read our contract okay. We like thrilled to be there and we would assign we i. I would have given away one of my eleven grandchildren for at mo- okay. That's how much we wanted to go. We didn't care about money would just wanted to be there. And so. Mr gordon said to us okay. Signed a contract and he's a digital. Get a new name we said. Oh we really have to change our name from the prices. Oh yeah so Florence ballard was almost like claude at Was the one who pulled a name out of Of of a bag around paperback or whatever. And it was the supremes with donna. And i and barbara martin who was in the group because we were four at the time did not like the supremes because it sounded like a building you know. We're we're girls girly girls ryan so but mr is over. You gotta have a new name. That's what i call it. The supreme so florence was the one who who named our group. What was it like the first time you are when studio to record the first time we went into the studio of all we recorded. Not at motown i. We recorded a lupine records. I and that was a record. Label that was with Wilson pickett was on it. And the falcons and All kinds of what's the old floyd any floyd was there so we actually act up a lot of those recordings with eddie floyd and I think we did. One with the falcons but we didn't really care for the company that much because we had already seen motown and we sat you know what. Let's get back to motown so we went back to motown and we finally recorded. I want a guy that was our first recording. We were so we were like just absolutely. I can't even say happy as a word you know. Here's what i told a lot of people with three little black girls who dare to dream at a time when dreams did not come true for black people we really were. And i don't think we had in our minds we wanted to be stars wasn't what people want it in those days. We just wanted to sing and we found each other and we were happening. We knew that this was special. And so We did to dream in. We recorded that record. I want a guy. It changed my life because i knew then while this is something very special now you had an opportunity to attend college but i'll you thought about that dream. You mean ten. Our our families they. They allowed us to sing because it gave gave us something to do. We were girls pretty not on the street running wild you know so parents want to protect say. Oh a safe so they can do that however when it came time to graduate from high school. They didn't they. They thought we were going to go on and get a job or go to college college. I get a job too. And so i remember telling eddie hall and i said hey. We don't get hit record. We're going to have to go to college. Well we're gonna get hit record. And that's when they started really being serious about us and knowing that we were serious and they came with our first hit hit record but it was about eight or ninth release. I should say that tells about that. That motown experience obviously was more than just singing about mannerism and young women acting like young women. The motown experience for us came. After the fact. I wanna i say that. The three of us the four primarily in the three supremes. We came from families that taught us that. When you walk out this door you represent the black community. We always had the good grit example of being a woman being not just a woman being a female who you know. We knew what we were supposed to do in life so blackness for us was very very important and so at motown we were very fortunate that when we walked into their door they recognize that we were not just three three girls who want to be singers. We really were special ladies and it had come from our background from our families you know from the church. We went to aretha. Franklin spa the church of reverend franklin franklin. So you know. We grew up around women who always dressed well. So we will. When we walked to motown's door they recognize that we were a little special you know and Thank god the. They decided to start this artist. Development program We were very fortunate to go there. And and have a our mental. Mrs maxine powell who taught us she says. I'm not an etiquette teacher now. I'm finishing i. I teach you how is is all inside. How beautiful inside and she always said you beautiful people and this you told us one day. You're gonna sing before kings and queens. Now we only sixteen years old okay and we love our own queens. I know you know but anyway we. We started singing before kings and queens hanging out with them And so you know it showed us that. This didn't just happen. You know to me it was. We were chosen. We were chosen to do what we did. And i think i'm very proud of it. I spoke with whoopie girl gobert lately and she wrote the opening to my next book supreme. Glamorous all about the supremes gowns and She said that when she was young she's always on the on. Tv these three beautiful black women. It gave her something to aspire to so You know it was it for me is something. I'm very proud of it. You know. I don't take it lightly. If i had not been a supreme. I would have wanted to be what i want. When did you understand and realize that you all had achieved something really special when we achieved it when i first started before we became famous because we kept saying well. Why don't they see how great we are. You know 'cause we will call the no hit supremes. Which i i wrote that i coined that phrase but now you're saying so so you know i i coined that because you know we. We couldn't get that hit record and that was what was going to put us over the top right so once we realized that's what we had to have then. Our dream changed from just being seniors. It changed to wanted to achieve something special so that was our goal and once that happened wants mr berry gordy put us together with holland dozier holland. We got hit records. That was when we knew we had achieved. We won the dick clark caravan of stars tour and they released where our love ago and the record became a hit while we were on the tour. We didn't even know it. Because we on this bus tour travelling to south you know with people. Like the drifters cheryl's and and gene pitney. And lesley gore. We want that kind of tour so when the record became a hit and we on this bus tour we we kinda like You know we knew we had made it. That's what we knew. We had made That we have achieved what we wanted to tell us about that friendly competition. I assume friendly competition mary. Wells can west. Martha vendela marvelous. Well you know you say tell you about the the competition i don't. I don't think that. I don't think that anyone of us felt that we were competing against each other. And i'll tell you why that's so important for for people to understand that you would think with all these wonderful Talented people that would be competition but as you say it was friendly but we didn't think of it as competition you know I remember just just being at all of people we were there. When stevie wonder came in mr berry gordy said we have a little genius coming in today and i want you girls us supreme to be here when he comes in. And i'm saying to myself. What is a genius. I don't know if i've ever seen a genius before once came in and i'm like that's a genius. He played every instrument there. But that's the way everyone was so we were. We were admired each other for the talent. Now when one person got a hit record then you know you guys are okay. His mind coming. That's when me some sort of whatever but it was always lovingly done that you know. We did the tourists whoever safe the contours opened whoever followed the contours cost off the stage. Saying okay beat that and the next one comes it beat that but it was all really a wonderful villi. Everyone even better Mary wilson co founder of the legendary. Supreme wilson died on february eighth. Twenty twenty one. She was seventy six. If you have questions comments after future in black america progams email us at in black america. At ku t. dot org. Also let us know what radio station. You hurt his over. Don't forget to them. Scratch podcast and follow us on facebook and twitter. You're gonna previous programs online at ku t-that org. Also you can listen to a special collection of imblack. 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#76: Sanremo LXX (Long, Xtra Xtra) Week of February 10, 2020
"Hello and welcome to the European episode. Seventy six for the week of February tents. Plenty plenty I'm Ben Smith and I'm joined today by Mike mccomb. Hey Mike Hello. We are a turmeric trying to make sense of the Eurovision Song contest and this week. We'll be talking about the first Super Saturday of election season. How about that weekend? My Oh my goodness so much. TV so much television YEA. I can't believe that I'm complaining about it that that used to be my jam as just watching Eh a ridiculous amount of television but oh man like between all of the Eurovision stuff that was happening on Saturday and it felt like it was all of the Stop there was also the Oscars on Sundays. So it's going to be just hook it up to my beans. So how'd you feel about long televised events because has if those are your jam. This was the weekend to stay in the house and not do anything. Yeah exactly I made a big thing Saturday and Yeah went to a party on Sunday for the Oscars and there's like all right up food got my TV. Got My list of WHO I want to win and who's not going to win. It's it's perfect so well and like there was a nice authors moment where there was your vision in the wild. Yeah that was a really pleasant surprise. Yes so for Frozen to you They talked about the global distribution of films. In addition to Adina Menzel Had some somewhere like fourteen other else's around the world including Gisela from an Dora in two thousand eight. The question always comes up. Where's Andorra stay there on stage at the Oscars so two minutes into the to the youtube clip? You'll probably throw that link up in our notes One Eurovision face that was not part of that number though was sorry alto from Finland. Yeah I I was really surprised that she was she wasn't there. She is Elsa in Finland she also has a youtube video where she impressively does let it go and fifteen different languages which is impressive Out On the other hand if you look at her social media presence she's taking twenty twenty off so good for her get some alone time in the spirit of both a very long. Oscars Chris Telecast and also a very long Ramo telecasts. This weekend I read a little his mic. ooh The general theme of the Quiz Is. Could you watch this before Sandra who had results results in okay. So with that in mind question one. Let's like it was a a wonderful night for Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar on Sunday. Assuming that you started the San Remo fest on your Laptop and had the Oscars telecast somehow before it was live at two forty five. which which would you see parasite get the get best picture before San Remo had delivered results? Oh are we talking the final results. Or the entire telecast of the Oscars before San Remo had delivered its results out hey 'cause they delivered the initial official results and then there was another felt like our two half between like when they announced the top three in when voting closed and like who the winner was. But Yeah I do I. I think you'd Probably Watch the Oscar telecast that is correct the Oscars this year. We're two hundred and twelve minutes. Have Okay so question number. Two San Remo was filled with the sound of music. How many times could you watch the sound of music before you? The results were delivered once one and a half times or two times. Oh man it's been so long since I've watched the sound of music and I just remember getting it from the library and it was to VHS tapes but that looking at the map. Yeah Oh let's see I'm GonNa say two times you could watch it two times and still have a minute Komo left yes okay yes question three. Let's just say if you were trying to like have something for both eyes and you had again again. One Andrew Laptop and when I on Netflix. Where you're where you're catching up on the Oscars and watching the Irishman? Could you watch the Irishman. Before San Remo had delivered results so I saw tweet During the Oscars were somebody started the Irishman at the same time the Oscars started and the Irishman finished before the Oscars did so yes you would be able to watch all of the Irishmen that is correct. Okay amp up the difficulty with question for thinking about gangster movies and we'll specific gangster movies more movies about the mob. Could you watch both the godfathers. Part One and two before Santa Ramo had delivered results. No a bad film student because I've not seen either one. Oh goodness I'm GONNA say that. Yes you could watch both of them. No you could not the really the two movies run. Three hundred and seventy seven minutes total inches longer than San remo was wow how far would you be through. OJ Made in America about the time that Santa Ramo had results twenty five percent fifty percent seventy five percent or you would be done. Were that was a five part series. I I don't know how long each part was I'll say seventy five percent that is correct. Okay just a wrap this up. How many of the Lord of the Rings Movies Assuming that you were only watching the standard versions and not those expanded versions that they released? Could you watch before San Remo was done oh goodness Will definitely the first one okay. flew you could get all the way through the second one but I don't think he'd get through the third one so I'm GonNa say two of them I'm close enough. You definitely get through fellowship. The ring and you'd be most the way the two towers so yeah. San Arabia was real long. It was three hundred and forty five minutes. Yeah which made this a lot of fun to pull together her. We will get into more detail about that more excruciating details. A preview of what my Saturday was like but as ben mentioned at the top of this was the first Super Saturday of selection season. I think there were nine shows total. That happened just on Saturday Saturday earlier in the week. Israel had their finale for the next star for your vision which is like what we would call rising star here in states Rip and the winner of that WAS EATEN LEAN She was also an alum of x factor. Israel from their twenty seventeen series and. Yes it's another woman. Go into your vision. So we just up to that challenge Israel and is another person of color. So you're vicious not so white this here which is very Turkey I am here for it. we don't know what her songs going to be yet There's going to be a separate competition that'll be taking place on March arch third. That's going to have four songs that she'll perform and yet be voting and pretty straightforward process. It sounds like congratulations in a very excited to see what comes of this. Yeah like I had watched a video that you'd linked to performing fogo which was a eurovision appropriate song. I'm not sure it's it's her son but I'm looking forward to seeing what they cook up now that they know that she is their artists. And it's weird because Did he go last year during the competition as well and it was not a song for him. Either I feel like it's a very specific person that that song is foreign. It's neither of those two. Yes but it's also a good luck charm because apparently if you do that song you're going to win so very true so yeah interesting. The magic of that saw so they choose most graceful bird. I was sleeping. You were probably sleeping as well. Mike Australia Israeli with deciding and decided decide they did. We talked about this last week and we had mentioned that we thought that Montaigne was probably going to win and Montaigne did in fact win. So don't break me. We'll be Australia Song. So Montaigne any solid. The jury Rin but Casey Donovan kind of dominated the telephone and I thought having watched that performance rightly so her song was definitely what I think of when I think of a Eurovision Ballad but it was very well done such powerful though goal it was nice to see that it was a pretty tight competition up at the top award like I think it was only a seven point difference between the final scores. One thing I had not known about Casey Donovan that I learned after watching the video performances and then finally lifting to our friends over at OSCE evasion. Kind of go through. All the songs is how beloved she is over there. Like had I known that factor. I may be would've been more attuned to her. I think I think that's fair Part of their could but she can also about how like for example. Jack Magen is apparently a very polarizing figure over there that makes sense. I can I buy that. Yeah okay okay. Yeah I I think that's one of the fun things about kind of following all of these contests from afar where we're just not plugged into that aspect act of the pop culture so all of this scandal and US Weekly covers and drama Rama happening like we don't know that we're just going by the songs lungs. What did you think of the performance for dote raped me? I was very impressed with the physicality of the performance like I was not expecting So much movement on the stage and as I mentioned last week I was really concerned that her vocal was possibly boosted In the production. But no that's really what her voices and the fact that she's able to maintain that voice wall like being like jumping around and being lifted by these dancers. And all all that I. I was very impressed with that. I thought her jury performance was a little bit stronger than the live show performance and I think part of that may have just been exhaustion kicking in. That'd be like it's because it is such a physical performance. I'm not as big of a fan of the sad clown aesthetic. Yes yeah I I'm I that I don't love that thing around her neck just an I don't like scarves be in particular like I. Just don't things wrapped around necks six and just maybe uncomfortable but yeah like I'm. I didn't love that part of the styling the other thing that I would that I think I liked the idea of the staging but one thing I wanted out of it that I never really got was like a was a full arena. Moment was very like it was very like one camera Sitcom which is cool performance. But I wanted it at like four that last chorus for to then become a full stage thing because one thing that we've discussed is that that yes this is a television program but you're also playing to the arena. I feel like that particular performance didn't play to the arena as much as some of the other ones that were in competition dishes with it. I think that makes a lot of sense. That was kind of my take away from Jiwa Jones's performance. That one really reminded me of what. D- Hodge. Did it back in two thousand seventeen with like the Three panel room and then the panels falling away to reveal the band and Yeah it does need some sort of live room moments both audiences like you were saying. I actually think that Jaguar Jones did a good job of like like the first verse. The chorus was like all in that little tiny room than it broke away in a nice way and became like this big arena thing. which like one thing i? We learned like after the fact was like she dislocated at her shoulder during the like the first verse course of that performance and then on Oh man so oh my gosh. Yeah yeah which which is kind going back to our predictions last week. rabbit hole. Finish sixth which I think that was good like I think she got her name out there. I think the performance that she gave deaf. I hope that gives her some new fans like that a lot. Mitch Tambov together. Came in fifth Vanessa Morose Lessons of love came in third not too bad bad. Yeah I mean really. There wasn't a bad song in the bunch so a the fact that it's ten entries and one of them had to finish in tenth place. And it's it's like that's not a sign of a lack of quality or anything like this was a very solid competition and yeah. I'm glad that Australia's adopted did this format and I'm looking forward to what's going to happen next year. Particularly since dummy EAM said that she wants to compete at so dominated was like. Hello yes I would like to. I would like take Bartlett so yeah so the game is being raised and I appear for it so the next selection that happened on on Saturday. happened in Latvia. There's kind of a funny exchange. That happened before that on twitter and from Ese bubble a message does To chat a little bit about what we were talking about with polyester and a couple of the other entries in last week show and she was at the actual Supernova. Finale and I responded to retrieve Oh have a great time at the show. Tell the Riga beaver. That we said Howdy and as soon as I hit send I you know. I don't think Ben's going to get that reference because I'm pretty sure like Supernova. Just not really on your radar since it's always up against Mel. How fast is that right? That's correct that would be correct. I saw that was like. What is the Riga beaver? Is this some sort of town mascot. I'm unaware of 'cause I'm looking. I went to engineering school engineering. Schools schools very commonly used the be. The beaver is nature's engineer as it turns out no but like the first result I got was just how Riga is essentially kind of paying off if it's beavers so that they will not do damage to its canals of. Jeez yeah. I did not know about that meeting the beavers and just generally taking in care of them so that they will then like not cause havoc And I think somehow that feeds into the apparent Supernova mascot yeah so the Supernova was adopted as a four there was Like they had a multiple weeks of competition and like in the commercial breaks like working the the crowd during the downtime. There's a guy in a beaver costume and it was just the Riga beaver. And I just assumed that this guy found the costume on the clearance rack in some some store. It was like all right well. Let's just do this. It'd be something funny to do during the show. I didn't realize that there was this like actual backstory behind so that was just a delightful little surprise so but yeah so with Supernova this year it was just the national final They didn't have any preliminary rounds other than the Youtube auditions and They decided to just have it be one hundred percent. Tele vote This telephone and web vote A Web vote that everybody could participate in I through a couple of votes Latvia's way and the overwhelming winner of that was as Samanta Tina with the song still breathing knowing getting don't stink and I think I may have cut this out from last week's episode. We did we did talk about a little bit but it was kind of with a number of resigned signed size because it was just. It's an aggressive song. It is a real like especially when you have listened to a lot of the rest of the the other entries to just then get a barrage of this three minutes like it's just a lot is going on musically a lot is going on visually and a lot was is going on during a morning television Earlier in the week like Smith. Tina was on Some morning chat show to perform the song but she. She was dressed for a Pajama Party and was in lake full curlers and like her backing dancers were also dressed to the pajamas. Nines Yes yes yeah just just having normal one but she was doing everything in her power to sell. The song is like that. Isn't that morning TV presentation I saw that on twitter and then one of the comments just like a video of her with her dentists doing like the visor thing with the the hands on the hips and the dancing. Yeah it's just just like she is she is selling this house and it kind of makes sense 'cause like she's been trying to represent Latvia at your vision since twenty twelve twelve like I think this is her fourth or fifth time doing Supernova and She was pulling out all the stops and the song was written with. I'm Anna and I'm GONNA do that. This was going to be a SUPERNOVA. And you're just like Oh yeah alright. Houston lyrics yeah us. Oh congrats to her. I guess yeah it feels off brand for via which I think. I'm coming around to listening to the song. Congratulations since it's been selected. I'm not as bothered by the way that I was with it. In comparison to the other eight songs field and I mean like Andre in Latvia hasn't really been working last couple of years. So maybe this is the switch that they need something happens when it hits one of those dub step dance breaks Someone has set off the alarm. Fringes happening strobe. Lights are happening. Yeah windex is happening yeah technicolor WINDEX. I did like that a you. There was no explanation. Why the I mean the whole song is about just like I'm a woman? I can do everything so I I guess it is sort of tie in with. I can clean the house. I guess I don't know there's I'm still trying to decipher this song. Maybe there's nothing to decipher but did like that The windex bottles were introduced immediately and they were deployed by the end of the song. You couldn't use about on the floor where the where the liquid had gone. It was a really good final thought like it was. It was a pretty solid field and and I thought it was really interesting like the jury they had a jury they are just can offer critique after each of the performances and went once the entire line was done I think thing was maybe right before they were giving out the results. Look some of the jurors are saying yeah Like this was a really fun process. It'd be nice if next year like there were some songs in Latvian and and it was weird because like half of the jury was just speaking in English Yes Yeah I always find jarring in the national finals because going along whatever language it is and because I had finished watching Playing with watching. It doesn't matter anyways so I switched over over to to Latvia after after Iceland had finished because I was like well they had more artists. They'll be they'll still be going on and came into either one actor to ask before four Tina and the judge was just being savage. And just like yeah yeah. The melody was forgettable In English it uh with with like the translator on top of them like Oh this is this is great. I like this a lot although I do think. It's kind of weird to have a jury at a national final hold where there hasn't been any sort of like previous heats or anything like this isn't a workshop upper -tunities. These songs are in their final form. Yeah or like these conversations that you can have you totally offline like. We don't need to be party to this. Should I be watching this in terms of the Runners up heartbeats came in second which was up pretty delightful surprise. That was such a charming performance. Yes yes such wedding adding dress and my beloved polyester human third. I was happy with his final. This this was a good agreed also happening on Saturday. Malta wrapped up their early. The season of x factor They chose destiny tune Kandara to junior eurovision for Malta. In Two Thousand Fifteen Made it to the semi finals of Britain's got talent in two thousand seventeen and also say back up for Michaela last year so has been on the Eurovision stage as well it also is going to do an internal selection instead of using x factor or or any other or whatever their old process was like. It would not surprise me if destiny wouldn't have been the choice anyway so I think this is a good choice ace and it's another female. POC So leave them stayed to yes. It was so weird. 'cause they they remove the Geo Block for the final but I guess the the final round. Long 'cause I was switching back and forth between several different windows on Saturday because we're a lot of things happening simultaneously and at one point ended up going back to Malta. And it was just blocked because Madagascar to was supposed to beyond that. But they haven't been my favorite part about about. The process is like watching something like that the way and at the end the program. You speak getting like two minutes of Melissa McCarthy and the boss and then no you're not allowed to watch this is we don't have. The rights had to find out about that one on twitter and I think they were doing original songs as part of their final firms. Because that was the other thing like since x factor it's following the x factor formula of. There's only like four contestants competing but it's like their final performance and then a montage of their journeys Ernie's and then they sing with the more famous singer and then a result they were doing original songs for their final competition song. But I don't think that that's going to be The song that she'll be doing at your vision unless it gets revamped songs were Not Great so the the big events on Saturday was the finale excited about it. I'm so tired I'm I've only like ninety percent. Certain that Sandra Mos seventy is actually done like worried that there are still some there still something. That's happening right now. But Saturday was the fifth and final night of San Remo was her seventieth edition and the fourth night of San Remo had a very specific amount of drama One of the acts of Google and wargin ended up getting disqualified during their performance. This was nuts Morgan who he's wearing. A Cheetah print the fashion. It saying Reema was fantastic. By the way I was. I was watching all of the screen that and getting very tempted to watch but also not watching. Because I don't know I'm not watching seven hours of Italian television every night for a week right. Yeah I mean you just can't but yeah anyway like during Friday's performance. Morgan was started their song among us. ENCIERRO and Morgan had changed the lyrics and the do lyrics accused his song partner Yugo of Ingratitude to arrogance bad intentions. Like it was a major falling out. I don't know how or what happened but As as this is going on like Google just just like all right. She just walks off the stage like this. This August continue mortgage just got to do is they. It's just like still pointing at where Google was standing and the music stops and the hosts are trying to track down boo. Like they can't find him. I the he just made a beeline for the exit. Got into his car drove off. That's just the beginning. So Yeah it was twenty four songs were supposed to compete. They are now down to twenty three On Saturday and the show started at two forty five eastern time. The winner winner was not announced until about eight thirty eastern which was two thirty in the morning in Italy. I I I do not understand how there were no riots. Well I mean everybody was probably too tired at the end of it I guess. Yeah that's one we haven't event I guess but yes I mean it was just I mean there's just so many performance twenty-three that's a pretty significant field that's about the size of the Eurovision field that's a eurovision and yeah but I mean it's just like they're also like all of these interval performances and hosts banter and people coming out on stage and it's like oh are are you one of the contestants. No you're just singing a song just to sing a song okay. Cool one thing. I distinctly remember from checking in with twitter from time to time African with someone just like. Oh yeah so. The hosts have been just like faffing about about with a with a with an auto tuned. Micro- ten minutes yes after the performances ended they go through the Rankings things and the rankings are also just this incredibly complicated math formula. It's all about the averages of the scores from the previous night's and the Each night is judged judged by different group of people. And there's there's just a lot going on and then this is when all the booming happens so is my favorite part. But they're just going through the the entire field and They get all the way up to the top three and a announced who the top three are and then it goes to tell a vote and a the window is open for ever more performances. That are going to although I did feel like we. We're seeing because one of the songs just called boys boys boys and they know that this is for Eurovision twenty twenty. The tele voting window eventually closes and then there are more performances as the results are being tabulated including like a cover of lose yourself so I gotta hear that Song twice this this weekend wasn't televised performances. Yeah so that was weird. Three three didn't expect to see a cover of lose yourself in the year. Twenty twenty. Yeah it just kept going and going and eventually I got to the results and in third third place was pin greenie cheese nuclear. Ra's Ringo Starr. Sorry Italian I do not know how can I say his name is so difficult in. The song's name is so simple. Yeah they won twitter. I think a twitter was really pulling hard for them. The ones that had the real cougar. Looking Atari weren't yes yes man. Yeah so And then runner up was Francisco Kabbani with his Song Vice Versa And he was of course the representative in two thousand seventeen but the winner was Doodo with his song. Five remorse sir. Sir Sir on competed in the Newcomers Section at San Remo in twenty and fourteen and finished second there So this is not. Its first Rodeo. At San Remo. His entry this year also won the critics award the Press Press Award and the music letter vary value of word. I'm not sure if that was a TYPO or I'm not entirely sure what that means if it's just like evaluating the lyrics up the song but it's very it's very straightforward to me Mike. It's just the one that had the most music literary value. Okay yeah well like I said I'm very tired from all the very this was obviously the overwhelming favourite Once the results were tabulated and He did indicate ahead of time time that he wanted to go to Eurovision so he will definitely be their representative in Rotterdam the only thing about the song right now is Has a running time three minutes thirty a second. So he's going to need to do a little bit editing despite all of the craziness or maybe because of all the craziness of Saturday night The final had a a sixty point six audience share which. Yeah which like if if you don't speak TV ratings that means of all of the people who will who were watching watching TV on Saturday night. Sixty point six percent of them. Were watching San Remo and like as a point of comparison that's the sort of rating that the friends finale Benelli got like fifteen years ago so this is huge and I I was reading somewhere that this was like one of the biggest nights of of San Remo however very long but I guess the audience is satisfied so I guess just to quickly tie in with boys boys boys Just it's worth calling out. Italy has not sent a woman to Eurovision since two thousand fourteen. Yeah and that was the selection too. I think like last year when we were doing like our wishlist twist. Italy was at the bottom of that list and now they continue to be at the bottom of that list. which on the other hand San Remo worker on the other hand there weren't a ton of women in the San Remo field and definitely not at the top of the scoreboard this time around? So yeah something something to keep an eye on the next few years so do better do better guys are doing very well but also do better okay so that is only the half of of what was happening this weekend because a bunch of nations also in the middle of their selection processes that have for finals in the upcoming weeks. Let's off with Lithuania because with the W-A-N-N-A has gone from being a thing that I joked talked about last year incessantly to being appointment television like it was top of my list. This time around. It was semi final two of two this week back and my favorite will not really my. We'll let me take that back and I was very pleased that a truth ben a Hey drip was number one which meant that? I could watch that. And if other songs before I switch over to Iceland and be a drip got through and it's been great. Seeing people do little tweaks to their performances as it turns out what drip needed a backing singer to give some balance silence onstage as everybody lost. They didn't have to do a lot of tweaking on that one but I I do agree having the third person. They're just really did. Add to the mood. I guess I didn't realize that I wanted balance from that staging balance Yeah this is another really solid semi-final The other other ones that got through were Monica. Maria and Monique Gay and that last one was kind of a surprise. But like I don't know it was interesting. Sting seeing the results coming in. I mean the the jury votes are like those scores are going to be pretty consistent. It's the same number of points that are getting distributed. There was not as much of a voting presence this week as there was the previous week like I did a little bit of the math and if you added up number of telephones that all four or act Scott for the second semi-final they just barely beat what the rupe got last week in. Okay that that kind of confirms like when we first I saw the roof do really well and you really will in their semifinal. The people have spoken the people in the Rupe Which I'm here for it? The group are going to win the Tele Vote. Yes super going to win the Taliban. Yeah and it's so like that means it's GonNa come down to the jury to determine who's going to your vision which I am very very nervous about hold. Yes yes let the way you were doing so well. I am seeing people undergo Vilnius Twenty Twenty One and I'm here with them but don't do this up. Yeah Yeah and Just so I I guess what surly what we did last week was do a quick What you would like to win and what you think will win argus like what you think will win and then something that you would like to do well? I want them all to do well. I mean I don't want to throw ice state under the bus. Just because it's a Thomas Jeon Song and I'm worried worried. That is the one that's going to win at. Lithuania just had such a fantastic process. And then just choose the most that I'm GONNA be mad. I'm going to be. Yeah Yeah Yeah it's fine. It is fine it is it is a B minus and misbehave and they have they have some be name minuses in there but from the other seven that are in the spinal. It's like I be happy with the group. I be thrilled. If alligator made it through. That was like my micro Mike wants to do. I also also want to do. Well be cloudy. I I can be known Marian. Don't be such talk to. Yeah I think that drip is probably not going to do well. I think that it is hit. It's sort of hit his expiration date Yellow Bill Vance brand new Jacob. What's the West? Has Kansas. Say What you want and anger in the hand I would still. I'm still very pleased with the final. I think that one what I'm most concerned about like if that were to win like if like lightning struck something in Lithuania everybody eight from the seafood. Buffet except for me Ian Die. I worried that to be at Eurovision. The number of tweaks that would have made because there are a lot of recorded vocal effects and Like some of the language in the song it's going to end up getting tweaked in ways that are going to remove a lot of its charm and and I don't want that to happen but yeah for me I think it's alligator Malik's make me human That was gorgeous performance in semi green I wouldn't mind. We came from the Sun. Either they felt like Like I hadn't really paid attention to that until the semi final last week and lift his blown away by how much relief and her team had thought through the staging of that and it's Such a modern track to which I think. That's the thing that's like just so amazing about this like so. Many of these tracks are so today. Which is why? Why like unbreakable just feels like such disappointing choice? If it means a and I think it's going to get weird with the jury because you've got Monaco Maria and they're going up against ice day Who want her heat and semi final and also Monica and I could see that causing a jury split but how does the group fit in with that math? It's GONNA get weird. I'm wondering if in the heat that had both the Rupe and each we stay They were they they should have been tied and like. I would've leaned towards what the vote with Tele had said over the judges so I don't know if if what how Lithuania is is settling those ties at the happens again. I hope that they go with people and I hope they go through. Yep Yep that's my hope is well also so if somebody can can get like a VHS copy of drip into Andy's Sandberg's hands so that you're from now when he hosts SNL there's a digital short. That's just for me. Yes it gets the reference and I get to scream like that's just just keep tweeting. The video of it to the cast of Brooklyn nine nine. Andy he likes to watch the video yet. Start with Andre Brower and work your way up from there. Then why are you blocked by everybody from Brooklyn Nine Nine on funds story. Yeah let's also talk about Mel. Because Mel has happened last week. I ended up liking this heat much more than I expected to. Because we had I had came. Come into this one. Having talked with you and being kind of similar we burnt out on August. Because it's the same people. It's they're doing dogs but there were. There was a lot to like in this one daughter who sang bulletproof and berg-en-dal who's thinking come are through to the final which is super cool. I believe that is the first first time that two female acts have gone directly to the final in some time apparently with us in two thousand nine since two thousand nine. Oh Dang as long as Sweden has gotten my letter where I have said please do not just send a man man. They appear to be listening because the boys being sent a second chance. It's this week The boys the second chance Paul Ray who I liked talking my sleep so I'm happy that he gets to do that again. And then Mendez Navarro. Australia's Vamos goes which was fine. It was my second choice but is going to second choice. I want to take a quick moment. Talk About Linda Bank thing because I thought that Linda Bank seeing was going to do something similar to what John Johansen did which is a a song in Swedish. That is mostly just there so that the male fest lineup has has has quote unquote diversity. Right usually the the older side of that diversity Get stuck with like kind of mid tempo ballad he things things that are in Swedish and don't go anywhere because Mel Fest prioritizes young singers swing singing English. Her Song is a lot of fun and it was like the the moment why expected to to a ballot pivoted to like an UPTEMPO thing was super fun and she just had fun mom energy. She was living her life. I I am so jealous of her ABS. Yes her costume I. It just felt like very Zubaydah but it's like oh she's making this work like I. I was is totally on board with that performance in preparation for this I ask you. He's like okay. What do I which I was the one thing I need to watch because I was kind of surprised I was a little out on your tired and watching what I need to focus on for Sweden like? You need to watch Linda. Linda performance was awesome. I thought the lighting effect for D- Daughters there's bulletproof was interesting. Yes I'm curious to see how that technology's going to progress in the next couple of years. I think it was good for a I go through on this performance I it was just a little I know it. It still feels like it's a prototype phase but I was just like did they have to make the people sitting in the front row like signed a waiver before. Hi can you sign this waiver. Because there's GonNa be lasers yeah do not look at the stage daughter with essentially wearing a disco ball but in but in a way that's like an attractive top. Yeah it was very and they doing thing that you can do with the disco ball which is when you point two laser refracted like crazy emitted a bunch of that. Yeah but then there was also like the cool like single laser beam Coming down from the ceiling. Yeah that was really cool but Anna Bergen dolls performance. Oh my goodness that one was a with a real good surprise. Oh man it feels like a sort of not cluttered version of her song from last year but also bringing in the vibe. That Lake Victoria was trying to sell the last couple of years that she did mel fast. I mom and also kind of borrowing from the Netherlands playbook with like the country vibe to the saw like this was a very well L. deployed and tree. Yeah like here for it. That one is up there with the bookies. What's really pleasing is so last week I talked about being very delighted? Did that Felix Salmon had dropped at had dropped number two at the bookies. He's now dropped to number nine in the top. Four right now are ladies so Sweden send a woman and challenge the Anna Burgo. WHO's currently number one with the bookies? I would not mind at all. That for Horowitz was absolutely fantastic. But then like this week Marietta's there and my it's amazing. Show Dame Edna who collaborated with somebody last year and I really enjoyed that. That was my playlist all year. The home he's also there in his. His song was fine last year so his song. This year will probably also be fine. I I think maybe figured some stuff I don't know I might get back on board which is again not something that I would have expected expected from this eurovision season? Again like that was that was exciting Iceland started processes. Because well. How'd that go? I enjoyed it but I also like like my thermometer of what they were going to send his the more I think about it the more what they picked make sense to me. I just think about what they sent last year So what went through This week were Dima and Helga and I'd sat and watching her program. I really liked Katie's Ach kid. Isaac's performance uh-huh Elisabet also had a release wrong performance had like some Gospel things going on in the chorus Brean Murray had like a really strong pop song. All three of those didn't get picked Dima is doing kind of a hard rock thing but it's like it's like a particular strain of hard rock don't think does well at Eurovision Gerald reminded me of Slovakia's last entry. They were very kind of lake eighties. Hard rock sort of a deal and then he's old and Helga had a really really nice duet. That had a little bit more like a folk thing going on. Okay and the more I think about it. The more like it makes sense that the less pop things went through because I feel discovered last year. That you don't just send like a bland you're visiting pop song right. Nothing felt bland here All the stuff that was very distinctly pop kinda got set aside right interesting and like I could see any of the three. That didn't go through this week. Getting picked up as a wildcard. I think they all had very strong entries like I. I was convinced that it was going to be the kid. Isaac and then any of Elisabet bring you. Mary and Easily Helga. Cause DNA was the only one was like this is fine but like all the first four entries of the night felt like they could build on what they had what they had died and kind of figure out a stronger staging deem felt like. This is what you're going to get. It's fine okay Dima would not be my pick. I kind of hope that they'll go through. I get why they because they're hard rock in Tari had kind of a hard rock thing but it's not the same hard rock thing it also was watching the ads which is always fun and was like is this. Is this in a cheerios commercial. It is Brianna cheerios commercial. Well She was one of the acts. I saw Iceland airwaves so it was fun seeing her in a thing. Oh that's fun. Yeah Oh also. She has a new song as of last Friday that it is like the one song that I really liked from her set and could not find online. So that's there now. Excellent yeah We should add that to this week's playlist so we do and then starting offs Saturday while technically Australia started off Saturday but I was getting. I was not a week at eight thirty in the morning. No so yeah but Ukraine Started at eleven. Am Chicago time and they had eight x compete in their first semi-final for Vibur. They were competing for three slots for whatever reason in these eight acts took three and a half hours to get through why I chose wrong for all of my your vision watching on Saturday it but the three songs that got through were Vegan ninety nine and Sallet and I'm totally on board with VN. I think that song is delightful. Very delightful music video. Ninety nine was a really amazing performance with the harp on stage which owned Auto Hartley was when the league held in her lap so that that was really cool to watch and a very pretty song as well sallet they not my favorite entry. But I have to admit I missed the last two or three songs that were competing because there were like seven other shows happening running at the same time and Ukraine. Just kinda got kept getting demoted on the screen. I think it ended up on my phone as its primary location Asia but at least two of these three songs are going to be good for The Ukrainian Vinyl eight more songs will compete the Saturday For the three remaining slots slots and I think the second semi-final based on what's been available on spotify. It's GonNa be really fun so I guess the last one uh-huh Norway. Yeah so it was the final semi-final folks competed. Were you able to watch any of Norway. Because I I know you were also doing a lot of the screen flipping. Yes so here's the order. The order of things. I was watching on on Saturday. So the top of the list. Lithuania gotTa have drip Then Iceland because ice moves back vice land then once Iceland is done if Latvia is still happening when watch laugh yes I got him a twenty minutes Latvia. Then Hey malthus is done and there may be enough people off the stream that can just watch it in its entirety and then it was time to check in Norway away and like my notes for for Ordinary Watch before Monday like all the other ones were like watch on Saturdays. Just checking on it before Monday. It'll still be online. I checked with you like Yup Yup Stand still happening. So we're okay cool. I'm just GONNA check him with Norway just I can just be done. The lovely thing about the Norwegian say is that they have broken down the various finals finals into chapters. So I could just click on the afterwards like I no longer care about. WHO's in which the which WHO's facing who I no longer care? It was fun five weeks ago but now I'm just done. It's just clicked on stock. Number one is like Got Through about three seconds of Mr Hello and this nope And then clicked on the next long and got through about a minute of that was like Oh oh man could could could like neither of these from this one and then Check to see which one went through and it was ellen in the woods so okay cool fine with that clicked on the next one and went through the same process just like Oh man. I'm not into this one. I guess of the two. I kinda want the second one to go through through. I am gay go through again like I have no horse in this race Everyone goes through. I'm cool with So apparently I am gay. Went through is it did did. And it's kind of a I it is. I am deeply troubled by the fact that the singer is is not. Yeah part of my issue with the song is just just that it feels like it's what would be playing in like the establishing shot of a movie like a TV movie on free form arm. That is taking high school. Like I think he's one of the like bring it on nineteen Like crossover movie with what's what's gymnastics. One is just like just like stick it plus love Simon plus just like another one of those movies. Yeah Yeah it's a little too progressive for hallmark but yet for your free form does feeling the right network hallmark come on. Yeah so but I don't know like 'cause I do want the homosexual Tila to have full representation in Rotterdam and it needs a theme song and I guess I'd I song though this can be able to play list. That's that's that's fair that's fair. So what do you want to win. What do you think will win? I would like over the sea to win and it might be it has its way into my heart my brain and I think what it's going I think they need to rework the staging but I think it gets it. Does what's going for gift. NOT THAT ONE I. I would also not mind rain. Alexander one last time going in there because Norway Norway proved last year that they kind of wanted do things are a little bit campy and that one just has written all over it. Everybody loves a Viking at at Eurovision. I had to pick one of the songs that have prequalified Araki's attention is real good like I would also not mind that one IT I. I think that one should win like that. That is the only one of these like of this entire twenty five Asong field that has the residents of being like. Oh this could do very well at Eurovision like it. It's reminding me a lot of undue Sweden. Yeah yes I hear that. Yeah and I think it's just a gorgeous vocal and it. Yeah like the. It'll be my pick for we'll win but again I I would not mind over the C I think for want to win I may have to go with. Im Gay sorry bed. The flotilla sloat. No I guess in terms of a backup I did really really likes Tom. Do Air as let's say I know that you really like some air. Yeah that one that might have also been a case of like that was the best performance of that particular semi-final many ideas were it was. It was less a yes. This is clearly the word that I guess. Yeah really attention is getting my attention and I really hope that does well. Yeah it's it's really anybody's guess. At this field of ten I think they ended up with the correct field old and I just said we're having a national final and these are the ten songs through pretending that would have been. I would have been fine with that too. Yeah we really didn't have to see how the sausage is has made this year. No that's GonNa do it for this episode of the Euro. What thanks for listening? Europe podcast hosted by Ben Smith. That's me and Mike Whitcomb. That's me breath. You can find us on our website at your what dot com and on twitter and instagram. At your what. We'd love to hear your comments questions and top we talk about. If you're episodes you can subscribe era. 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Caught Offside: USWNT preview and USMNT real time reaction
"Caught offside with Edry gumming and. JJ. Davani. Offsides from the Upper West side of Manhattan, Andrew gun Ling and JJ, Danny what's up brother? I'm okay. I was a bit concerned. When I got into the studio this evening to see you staring wistfully out the window on the phone. And that's my phone spot. Okay. Looks like your side deep in contemplation, almost like the words, I live. I live deepen contemplates. Sure. But the words of Christian Erickson had to well, it'd be I didn't need that. You've been reflecting on the weekend because I do feel as if you're, you're emotional support group, were our listeners a the Nata watch party watch party. Right. The Harry lemon. I'm once they were gone couldn't serve liquor anymore. I mean Andrew from North Carolina was almost like I know a personal support liquor guy for you. You're right. And then like it was a good place to be after having lost a game like that, despite the fact that it was a lot of Liverpool fan. A lot of Spurs fans there, which is like it's important because misery loves company, and, and the last few days, you had a chance to reflect in, in solitary confinement, and you lean on the things that, that help you through like, you know, so American soccer fans of teams that play in Europe. You have to find your own community. It's not like when I'm an eagles fan in Philadelphia. Open my front door. And I'm among my people as Tottenham fan, like I know Spurs fans are out there in force in this country. But you gotta, you gotta find a way to build your community. And podcasting is, is everything. Sure, so you listen to the podcasts of your guys talking about it, and like, you know, that's. To, to feel that community. Like I'm sure you've been going Liverpool crazy in the same way talking to people and listening to stuff Liverpool content. My father who's on vacation in in lovely dairy today. Tax migos the weather's not great hair. But white, what does it matter? When you're the champions of Europe, that was the takes point. Yeah. Also, it's in terms of podcast. It's downloadable therapy. Now, I would say you surely must have been lifted by that, excellent performance by the US under twenty's yesterday. It's amazing now. Look, nothing is going to in the immediacy is gonna like make up for, for Spurs losing Champions League final, but it is amazing house is like all right back at it. There's no like that was the end of the club season. And in any other like walk of life. There's now a break of some kind not for us. It's like I'm looking at my run down here of everything. We're gonna talk about tonight and it's, it's. Like in the summer it only especially here in the US where the international game is the game kind of. Yeah. No, no offense MLS but I'm just offense book, but, you know, how US soccer is it's the show. So, like, there's, there's really a shocking amount to talk about that was at the start of the podcast, the third, the winning goal that you heard there for the US under twenty's as day surprise really surprised France in, in an awesome game, which we'll talk about. We also are obviously going to talk about the women's World Cup. Because I, I believe this will be our final podcast before the US is first game. So we have a little look forward. We've selected some contenders. We're gonna talk about the US women obviously. Although I'm at the point where I need them to kick a ball in anger in this tournament before I can make any more judgments on the know. And also, we look at a dark horses, we selected our own individual dark horses. My dark horse, not going to tell you what it is yet, but it's a team that even if you don't think they're going go far in this tournament. Arc go to the final or win it their most watch. Yeah. And then I'll tease this straight out right now because I. I know of people come to us for this kind of thing, but I wanna make sure people know that we are going to address it. My red card tonight is the name our situation because I feel like it's the thing that, that bears mentioning and, you know, I there's like weird complexities to it. And it's something that I feel like we gotta talk about. So right now, if they if you're really, if like you're downloading this for that, then you can fast forward right now, because you can I can guarantee you that will be on the podcast later. Okay. But we start JJ with all the USA stuff because they're so much of it. No. So we're sitting here right now. It's eight oh, seven eastern time. The US in Jamaica men are at the half. Currently. It's nil nil. So I figure this would be kinda cool for us to almost just give like a running commentary, as we're going through the podcast. We have the game on two monitors right in front of us where we can just sort of give live commentary on the podcast of what we're seeing I'll say this. From what we saw in the first half, not good. It was a truly disconcerting performance in a way that I don't I don't necessarily know we've seen so far under bear halter. They've had some games where it's been shaky at times, but not like this Zach, Stephan didn't look great. Almost caught out for an attempt from midfield for Jamaica, had another one that he flubbed that almost created another scoring chance for Jamaica, if Jamaica were just like a little bit more. What's the right where I was gonna say competent around goal that feels a little bit harsh but yeah, essentially, then this, the US could be a real hole right now in the US wasted. Some chances of their own. What is go job to that? It's one and just Dorf it's probably two way until Dorf. So there's probably no chance that the. Brains trust. They are watching this on Seoul after Stephen's move. His loan move from his. Yeah. Yeah. To desseldorf. So they're about to kick off the second half right now. So we obviously are going to keep one eye on that. And we will just twenty plus about the you twenty s because that was such a fun, such a fun game from them. And I wanted to ask you right out of the gate about it because I saw you had not a back and forth. But you responded to one of my favorite US. Soccer Twitter accounts, Arthur, Cogan. He's great. And his assessment was that the US not only was it like a fun win. But they deserved it because they really took it to a we would say is probably a better French team. Yes. At times throughout that game. But you took exception with some of that. No, no, no. I just taught E ON and to be fair to Arthur. He did clarify what he meant he pheasant the second half, and particularly after the second goal after France went to one up the US played with a bit more abandoned. I didn't think they. Dominate France by any measure. In fact, there was a period when I thought France, we're going gonna pull away, particularly in the at the start of the second half. But this was the perfect blend of what the US is that French team has players like diabe, who was twenty five appearances for PS g senior, you know, their first team, they've got zag do who. All right. Maybe not didn't have a great time Russia Dortmund, but it was starting for them for a period during the bonus season. There's a lot of US players that aren't at that stage yet. And this is a French dot is better than these US tame. But what does US team did was marry two things that are absolutely crucial Andre? If you look at the goals, look at the opener, it's a turnover on its grit run by at the desma, and then a perfectly weighted pass. So that is marrying commitment, unskilled together. And that's what all those US goals war. No, they got a lot of look on the winner. But if you watch the lead up to it we're winning our tackles. If you watch the lead up to the equalizer. On that wonderful piece of skill from way to slide in social. Again, we're winning our tackles actor had an ex g graph, which I, I mean said that France had magically the better ex expected goals. But I mean, on the preponderance of chances, I thought it was pretty even to be fair. I taught France were. Less of a team then our team war less less cohesive. Less committed on look, I'm gonna play a cook from Julian Ron know who kind of backs up what I'm saying here it is not an insult in the international game to be, you know, nobody's, patting you on the head and say, all your grittier more of a team. We have in this site, a nice marriage of skill way assault, the desma on a nice kind of complement of the classic things that we associate what you a soccer, which is never giving up grittiness gaudiness on. I think this is what Julian speaks to a love that phone. Three of Conrad. La Fuente Tim way on and so two also really, well, you saw you saw on the to go and especially the movement of the boat through the I thought intent. And again, just to on my last point, the men quantity for the US team. He's togetherness. And the father, they fight for. Each other and play for each other. And the level is a key part of what you can offer it, totally is, I'm always going on about delivered from the field. It's not the most creative midfield in the world, but it wins it's tackles and gets the ball to the players who can do the dangerous things. There is nothing wrong with that. But the idea that we, you know, we pass them off the pack in, in the traditional sense of dominating team, simply isn't true. There are still some failings there. Look at the goal we gave way for the equality right before halftime like the ball is coming to the left. Cited para can't remember who it was right now, doesn't really matter. And he just shanks it gives it straight back. He's out a position on the French are in our goalkeeper comes out leaves the whole goal open instead of just banking on his defender closing angle. And there we are. It's one, one in the flash of an eye. This French team are, are much more experienced. We still have that naievety that's gonna make teams you know, you're still going to concede to goals like the French promise great gritty performance married with the skill needed to be. Team like France. No problem saying that. And you know there were moments throughout that, like, really exemplified. What you're talking that exact marriage even the third goal like you said there, you know, it took some, some luck like it was poor. Goalkeeping push. You're back in the ninety something or the eighty something bombed forward to blast one but e- but like you say in the build up like a great ball. Who was it was Atlanta's who came in who played a great ball? And then McCall was kinda slow to react. But still the grittiness announce a fifty fifty he wins it correct. You know. And then we, then we see again. Okay. So now a blast from about thirty yards out. It's blocked but there's was way, who then collected the that one and then fired his own shot on target. And then like more grittiness Renick's never gives up on the play. He's right there to pounce doesn't get the keeper a chance to to grab that rebound. So you saw that throughout and you need that international level is not the highest level of football guys. That's not even the highest level of those guys will have played this year. I'm saying that right now. You could see it with the French they're not cohesive. They're not a union. They played like individuals. Our guys were much better to drill Tab Ramos deserve credit for that takes a lot of flack he deserves some credit here. And, you know, we have to say I mean we've spoken this long about it without really talking about the performance from Sebastian Soto. Who was he was fantastic? He's the best player falling over to finish a ball that I've ever seen. You're right his first goal. Her son like a diving curler put bulk goals. But what's, what he's trying to do is open up his body's quite correctly, so he can find the fire corner an Andrew. He did it every time. And the second one I thought I thought, as I touch one way of play at him in which was the bodies wave of way on the outside of the foot pass. If you're Celtic fan watching that you are absolutely spitting fire at NEA Lennon for the way this kid was treated. He is on get your checkbook out. A good coach will make him into a brilliant player sold. They right place, right, time bit of goosey, I touch, but it actually brought him in front of the French defender. On in classic fashion falls over as finishes. But he's an excellent finisher from what we've seen so far. Just a good bunch of guys. Now I'm about to temporal not can do this very quickly. If Bobby warshaw. Yeah. Bobby show that soccer. Yeah. Ernest young man of MLS as I as I described him. He painted Nexen blog piece about this. Current u twenty team and the previous cycles that reached quarter finals and challenge the general view that, that automatically bay, the fact of its almost exclusive European base, etc. Are that it's not European-based, but obviously that it doesn't have a US college base at all. It's all over probe's that this team is an indicator or the vast drives you a soccer's mid one of his opinions that rang true to me was this, the idea that recent u twenty World Cup results. Make some sweet sweeping statement about the state of soccer in the country is precarious not to mention the question about whether you twenty World Cup results matter at all. Like what do mean you always say, we want our guys plan? I football we, can we go wherever they are. We're just the current gap in perception happen. Then it seems to me that there. Two big things that play huge role look at how many team teenagers we have New York right now. Maybe the fact that more players on the current u u s under twenty team play in Europe than than ever before Carlisle, declare quality, maybe Alex Mendez richly, Desmond Sebastian soda who play for Freiburg PSV and Hanover. Respectively are better than failed. Hiber question Sturgis who played at UCLA Seton Hall, and Clemson heading into the World Cup are maybe the world is more globalized, now, maybe European team spend more on scouting and people travel more does the number of European players in does the number of players in your in Europe, indicate a change in player quality are in change in the way, the world works, right? Like it's hard to me to say right now that any of those players are automatically going to have a better career the benefit harbor, Sasha question hot registered. We need to ran it in bit as well. You know, we've had three very good cycles before at u twenty level. Getting quarterfinals. I get what you're saying. However, like you're right. You can't predict if the desma will be. Don't. You're right. But, but you have to say, though, that this is now what we've wanted US soccer to be. Yes, are the track that these guys are on will hopefully get them to a higher level quicker. Yes. Look, it's not gonna be the case for all of them. But I think these, you twenty World Cups are to try to identify the couple guys that could make a real impact quickly like the World Cup qualifying cycles going to start soon. And these guys when the next World Cup rolls around many of them will be in their early part of their prime age wise. So you'll you'll see some of these guys like I thought Chris Richards in an area right now in central defence for the US that is, it's up for grabs, like, you know, we think we're identifying certain young players like meows go who will make an impact may be Carter Vickers. But it's upper grabs right now, especially if John Brooks can't stay healthy. So all Richard playing well and his move to Germany, like these are these are good signs for this young team right now. The right culture that you're trying to build. Yeah, I just think you know, we should be excited about it, but. We shouldn't go over the top with it. Because we we have been here before. Yeah. But that was interesting. What you read because I, I understand a lot of that because he that is just what we've wanted to see from the US, and it's coming for wish guys who are playing professionally younger rather than playing in a lower level, which is really what college is short. You just want like me. You always say we I think any team that came in for Christian pulisic, we wanted to make sure that he was going to be playing week in week. Oh dot remains the case. By the way, I don't know if you were just watching, but I think it was well trap who just had a terrible giveaway in an awful spot for the US led to a two on one for Jamaica couldn't tell who it was. But the shot was put on that it was safe nicely. But had had to pass made could have been one on one with the keeper. It was, I think if it wasn't real trap, people know by now, I'm sure who it was. I thought it was him. But yes is every time I look over, I I'm just like not seeing good things happening. Yeah. We're approaching the hour and it's still in the I mean this game look alternately. This is not look at the. Quad that's out there tonight. This team was not necessarily put out there to win this game. They're put out there for forbear halter to try to figure out who's going to be on the rest, who's gonna fill out this roster. How many guys who started tonight? We'll be starting the first game of the Gold Cup. But maybe Paul Arriola I don't know, maybe miata maybe maybe sergeant you think I don't think so that was surprise me. He likes them. He wants to get him. I think I think he'll make the squad. But he's I don't think he'll be starting the first game. I think that's still Josie altitude spot. But I think he can well we're going to get into accurate noble positions, but I think he complained a different position just off the strike. He doesn't have to be interesting. Revolutionary even. Oh my goodness. Oh Lord, almost just curled one in from about twenty out. You can watch box sports one right now time. I look over man. It's just like Jamaica. They're doing something, they're generating saving going back. They've been good much-maligned on this podcast. Jamaica, I remember getting emails, not so long ago truck don't talk about them enough. And when we do say, we should beat them off time you gotta give me his oppor-. Yeah. You, you haven't learned the lessons of past are Airlie. All right, JJ. Let's start talking now about the women's World Cup because it begins begins this Friday where the home nation. France will kick things off against South Korea. I believe let's start with the US are women in action. Coming up next Tuesday, we have it, broken down into a couple of different categories here. The first one being who is your key player for this team. And this is such a difficult question to ask, because there's so many like they're all keep there's so many great players. So many timeless dairy player for me. I've been consistent with this one. I wonder if the same. No, we couldn't be sending same thing here, Meghan repeat alright different she remains at thirty three the creative hope of the team at the last World Cup. She had created the most chances for the team prior to the quarterfinal win over China, which he missed and we all panicked. I remember panicking with you. How are we going to break this team down? We won't kneel in the end. But still that's the kind of creative fulcrum. She is. And I know spoken about Tobin. He taken that on, but I still think that Tova he's emergence at thirty one my God. But you know what? I mean we feel as if toban is now coming of age bit more and that can happen to forward players, but she's decides defacto number ten brilliant set piece deliveries on the supply line for that attack thirteen goals on seventeen assists for the US sense. Twenty seventeen dot is just incredible production. I personally don't believe the US women's national team can retain the World Cup without her in top form. This is what she told ESPN. I don't feel like we're defending that twenty fifteen title. But I think we defend everything all the time. I think we're seeing as one of the most consistent teams and sort of historically, one of the best teams in the world. So I feel like we're always wanting to keep the place in the world. But it feels like honestly totally different team. Obviously the ones that were there. We sort of know that we have that. But you don't get any extra points for defending anything in the. Past you need to go win. Another one, Meghan repeat for me. So I'm actually going to go with Lindsay Horon for some of the same reasons that you won't with Nick repeal. No. Can. I can I say, if that was an ardent it will be the Horan. Well, I mean, you're the same guy who refers, the last name Mahoney is Manny, Manny. Yeah. How and coastal is costal really? I actually the other ones, I think you're crazy. But that one, I like more Costello. Yeah. Yeah. Flows better. It does flow better. Because maybe we're saying it right. See, I went with Lindsay haram because ultimately, you're right. Megan repeal is certainly a creative hub on the team. But she his she is certainly not the only one and I think haram is now becoming more that player she plays more centrally repeat typically now more out on the left side. Haram is more in the middle. And I think from what we've seen from her, it's hard to know exactly how, and WFL performances will translate into the. The women's World Cup but twenty four years old. I just feel like this could be the moment where she establishes herself as the next true. Great American player n VP of the NWF L last season. Fourteen goals letter team to the championship where they lost North Carolina. She's got the ability from midfield control the game. She makes the attack for the US work. At least that's how it's appeared to be during their lasts. Several natch is here's what Jonathan tannin walled wrote about it in the Philadelphia Inquirer. He's I he's talking about. He says Lavelle Lavelle passing skills maker, the American's best pure number ten while harangues mix of scoring passing defensive work maker, the team's best overall player that is high praise if the US wins, it's all if the US wins at all and haram is used to her full potential. She'll become the favourite to win fica player of the year. Wow. I mentioned how she's only twenty four but really JJ she's an older twenty four we're talking before about young American players on the men's side now making the move straight away. To europe. You don't see that much on the women's side you did with her. She was a piece g at eighteen years old. She went up to PS g so she she may be twenty four but she's like a seasoned pro. So I think this is her moment. I really do by the way, things have happened. Jamaica have scored sweet Lord on the hour. One nil. Jamaica, I'm and you know, thankfully, you know that US soccer Twitter will react with grace, patients. Jeff Carlisle, Shomar Nicholson, with an absolute laser past Steph and that had been coming for a while, as Jamaica, his look, the more threatening side, especially this half. Yes, cosign. By the way, how would you describe Manchester are? How would you pronounce Manchester United legend? Kevin m or a n I would you says last night, ran home. God. Let's move on. Morin. I mean, what do you want me to say Mr. alga minium, we have to get Lindsay Lindsay Horan on the show? 'cause I'm gonna talk about investigator riders passed on the on the wish. Pronounces her name. All right. The next question here JJ for the US women. What is your greatest strength? The team can't keep saying this. I don't know what else I can say it's the attack it's comfortably the attack. I read an article today which which really stated at perfectly. The US have more attackers than they know what to do with, or that they can fit on the field rather as a better way. 'cause I'm sure jealous Norsar preferred attack. But there are spaces there were players who will sit on the bench who would start for every other country. Oh in this tournament. And by the way, not just start for them. But then that may be like the second or third best attack in turn, fright dot his house stocked. We are. So it's the attack for me on this podcast. You've heard speak ad nauseam about it. I don't know what ester is to say, I will save a little bit because we talk about weakness. Later on. And I've, I've tried to come up with something else on it maybe slightly linked to that. Okay. Yeah. I mean the US over their last five games they've scored twenty two goals. They're averaging over four goals a game heading into this competition. So that is always good. Yeah. The three that you talk about. So I mean up front obviously Morgan in the middle and then repeal out on the left heath out on the right. But the three that can come off the bench, Carli Lloyd Mallory few Kristen press, like it's impress Kristen press, maybe not so much. Mallory Pook Pugh, because Mana refused kind of just broken in over the last few years. But Kristen press who was around in, in twenty fifteen. She must think is my chance ever gonna come to, to lead this team as goalscorer probably. It's gonna take few more years. Yeah. I mean, I don't know some of it may be like, how many years, does Meghan repeal have Carli Lloyd, while she is a sub she's thirty six so this will probably be her last World Cup in have to assume JJ I'm just looking we'll get back to the us woman in a sack, but I'm just looking at more reaction or what are you doing? Well, I mean, people are by the time this is out the US, Jamaica game will be over. Have played poorly. So people who are downloading this podcast right now. Think that we've done some kind of USA. Yeah, I know we have we do have to talk about it. People are going to be listening to this thing that we will. I mean, the number one fiend right now from people is just the sloppiness in possession. Our friend, Tom fits, text me, who are these guys. They can't pass fi verts. Yeah. Again, I guess the only thing that I can lean on here in the US do have another tuneup match against Venezuela before the Gold Cup actually begins. But you just have to keep telling yourself that this is not this is not the team. So for whatever freak out and panic. There's going to be in the wake of this game. You just have to remember, do you see western McKinney out there? I don't do see Tyler Adams. I don't see Christian pulisic, no. Like this is not. So yes, this is bad. You know, I also don't want to be patronizing Jamaica, who have played very well in gold cups past and have been a thorn in the American side. But yeah, this is just see that kind of sloppiness in possession is something that you just it's a bear, even when we have our full team out. We can't keep the ball like we'd like to so, so we'll continue to watch this earned the sixty fifth right now. I'm not watching I'm focusing. Okay. All right. Last question here for the US women. So we talk about their strength, which is for I say that it is for both of us have a pretty easy question. We both agreed that it was the attack this one, I thought was really difficult identifying their biggest weakness. Yeah, I'm gonna start unsafe two things. The first one defensively. We've already said this team hasn't been stress tested defensively, and that remains the case qualifying a little bit on the road. But in the she believes Cup not so much our issues over the fullbacks on a converted fullback in crystal, Don remain one that I pondered Andrew, I pondered Judy arts amid feeder now bushy midfielder, because that is your best. Position. Or is it a means to screen that defense Djilas aware that it's not arts going to come under duress on? They're going to need a defensive midfielder in there, allow me to add one more concern to the makes that isn't defence or goalkeeper which we spoken about before the US attack. Is it strength? But it is only scored once in its last four games on European soil. We're going to France. I two that, that Alex Morgan a goal scoring centurian scored once in the last tournament didn't have great Olympics. She will have something to prove now, she was playing hurt. If I can refresh correctly yet. Just saying, I'm right. Totally it's kinda hard to pick deficiencies. So, and ultimately, that's the thing is even their greatest weakness is still, it's still a position of strength, half defined nitpicking now. So here's my thing, and I'll go to a similar area of the field that you just talked about. I'm gonna read now from Caitlyn Murray, who wrote this yahu sports, also a great book out about the US women, which I recommend. But she writes that she said the team's fullbacks are converted forward to bomb the field the center of the pitch doesn't have a stay at home. Holding midfielder, as Julia's encouraged to fly forward. Enjoy my madness. The Americans undoubtedly are going to score goals in France. That's what they're built for. The question is how much they will concede in the process after all, despite everything that Jill Ellis. Tried one simple. Soccer truth remains bunkering often works, that's especially true, when the defending team can be quick on the counter-attack Caitlyn Murray, Allardyce there or Caitlyn Murray, soon Haga from the way that. Has approach exactly past, but you do at points in the tournament. Unemployment's. Torn amounts both men's and women's whatever grid, you do have to be pragmatic. I mean, remember what Sweden did it? It's the reason hope solo was basically kicked off the team when she call them cowards afterwards when they put ten players in front of the net she said it wasn't football. I mean like you sense, the frustration from the US, because they had a hard time breaking through, and like the worry is, you know, teams are going to do that to the US and will they will love the US forward. Like we talk about Juliet's, okay? Yeah. Maybe she's a shield for the defense, but she's also an attacker. I know. But so all the sudden are you gonna look at the middle of the field? And see no one there. And there's going to be, you know to on one opportunities on the counter if they're not careful. Yeah. We remember I think Germany Mexico is the classic counterattacking game that it was in the men's World Cup and your to center mids who are so high up the field get caught by one ball. And then the next thing you're back fours, totally exposed to central. I'm thinking if crystal Dongola, wouldn't it be nice for earth's to slide in and fill that gap if Kelley O'Hara goals who's also hasn't played that much because of injury this season, can she can Juilliard state across and do that, or at least have someone who's going to do it? That's the proper full non the proper proper football man. If he was managing this team ago, Julie what you're gonna do. You're gonna slow to cross ROY ho the dictate tempo, don't get pulled out a position, won't you know, it's sad that even when we're talking about the American team proper football man is still British. He. Yeah. But you don't want me doing American soccer voice. I really don't. It's humiliating. It's condescending and it's, it's just mean-spirited. So, yeah, that would be my biggest concern with the US, because those moments are going to happen. And it's not fair to everyone. We are making this up, though. You're right. We haven't seen it yet, but, but it's not fair. Everyone continues to be putting the spotlight on a listen. There in particular, totally unfair is unfair because she she's not another woman but because she's not hope Solel, right? But the thing that you wonder about okay? So if, if teams are going to basically say, we have to get the US on the counter there's going to be these long ball moments where you just have to hope that if a listener she's gonna gamble if she comes running out how, how quick will her reaction time be. We'll she'd be first to the ballers gonna create some frightening opportunities for the opposition. You've got to say her starting position, we want to be, you know, on the edge of eighteen for a lot of the times when we dominate possession games. But again. These are concerns that are I guess we just have to wait and see. And we might not see them until the Sweden game. And the group, I can't wait for it to start though. It was so much fun for it was, and I do feel like it's one of those where you really grow into it, and it consumes you, but you just wanted to start and especially with the team who are dominant in the region and team that we like we really love this team. We know all these players, you know, this is a team that has had tremendous success in allows us actually, to be aggregate, because we are good. Right. We designed take off the electric dog collar. Right. We don't need it for this. Because we're proudly arrogant. And now on that note, let's talk about the competition. Okay. So who do you believe the US should be most worried about? I need you to have the Seinfeld drop ready to go. So I'm gonna go with France, Andrew or should I say, Olympic Lyonnais? I'm alright. But seriously, France Leon is where the team. Basically, the spine of the team clones from Leon the honest, where the final will be on Leon is a club are the powerbrokers of word football right now to me is crazy to look at this stock team of Champions League winners on point Anne, whereas for a team that can take back the crown from the US women's national team to me. They are the top of the tree in terms of contenders. Should they both advance in their groups and win the round of sixteen a quarter-final showdown a wits? How unbelievable would that be the spine as I said of this Leon site is the strength of the French site from centre-half Wendy Renard to the best midfielder mortar football? I'm Dina NRI to using omega front. This is a strong spine as exists in the game, and they are prolific winners four Champions League titles in a row, their home, that brings pressure but also partisan crowds wherever they go and think, oh, France did in you. Twenty sixteen the men all the way to final, and think how the men did twenty years ago or twenty one years ago. Now in France. Like, so the French support will be huge for them on think about us in candidate did have the Canada was acceptable for our American outlaws. There are other challengers, who have legitimate claims to be ready to beat the ends but known ours, well-equipped are in as good a form domestically, as liberal, I, I couldn't look beyond them. So you're right to do. So I'm looking right now at the odds from Caesar's, right? Win the women's World Cup the US are number one at plus one seventy five France. Our number two at plus three fifty Germany are third plus six fifty. However, if you look at the five thirty eight projections, they give the US an eighteen percent chance of winning the tournament France, they actually give a twenty percent chance. They do have France ahead and they and then Bernie Sanders. Firs the bronzes. Well, germany. Are here Jan. Then the team that they have fourth at ten percent is, who I have JJ England. Now. Everything you just said about Francis. Correct. Before you begin. Yeah. England or feeling themselves. I've listened to some podcasts. They are feeling themselves ritual, Yankee, their former player had this to say an eight could have been Stuart Pearce Lee Dixon are Well, Paul Merson. Maybe it could have been any of the pundits prior to a men's World Cup. It's down to the players, but they definitely there's no team out. I know France of said it, but there's no team out that England should fit. I think that they can go and play against everybody else. And the Fendt. The biggest thing is that every other team knows the England can be danger and England can be a worry. So I think that builds confidence in the squad. We'll, she's not she's not wrong now according to fica world rankings, their third. So. Obviously the US and France and Germany to our great teams. But England field that they're great team to that. The last World Cup was kind of their coming out party, the third in that tournament. Who knows? I mean, they could have wound up in the final had not been for an own goal in extra-time against Japan, which was cruel. But it really was I still think there's three teams ahead of them for this, but they're in, but if they if they wind up in the semifinals, no one will be surprised just in looking at them. I guess if the women that you want to look out for look out for Nikita Paris. She recently actually moved to Leone the team that you've been going on and on about from mentioned, sorry the Champions League winners. Yeah. And I'm taking a player who is now part of that for Manchester City. Nikita pairs thirty three goals in fifty nine appearances Lucy bronze is probably viewed by many as their best player defender, who was really plays all over the place. And Steph Houten will once. Again, be the captain for the single team. They coast through qualifying with the exception of nil. Nil draw against Wales, but I think the, the confidence is there. I think they're returning mostly the say a lot of the same players their previous success in two thousand fifteen now like you say, with Francis on European soil, how, you know, that may have helped the women for the US last time around that it was in North America that could have a similar effect for England not far trip for their fan base, and they would be a team that I would be fearful of if, if the US. France to also add Germany to. But look, I think they're good. But I'm just I don't know. There was a look you know, I'm an anglophile I, but I help, but I'm also. I'm in Hsun with the rhythms of of English World Cup prep. And some of the little catchphrases shouldn't fear anyone things like that. So you think like the cycle? So all the stuff that happened for England's men's teams in the mid to thousands could now be like, oh, I'm not saying that, like, well, I actually think these things team is better than some of those mid two thousand seems this Englishwomen better, better-balanced bomb just saying it's, it's interesting to me, because the England men didn't they weren't able to truly succeed until there were no longer. Any expectation all the expectations are through the roof that's when they fail. You think that we could be seeing a similar thing now for the England women, they England women need to lose to Thailand or Iceland before they can really rice. And then Jay Jay, the dark horses these quite bright Hough. Is actually when I think about it, I was listening to the BBC radio five live preview of the whims World Cup. And I was waiting and waiting to hear about the reigning European champions and awaited, and with and finally towards the end, they got a mention, and I thought, why might they be sold down the list so far down the list for discussion there, rather circuitous qualification campaign seems to have taken the dos off the fact that they romped to an outstanding European championship win in two thousand seventeen they went through a fourteen playoff for the final European Bart for the World Cups. I guess people are talking them down a bit. This team plays in the Grand Duchy traditions as wonderful team to watch from an attacking standpoint. They are the team that when the US aren't playing you need to be watching them. They'll combine pass move looked to play between the lines. Totally enjoy before ball, some of the names, by the way, are, they are owned say household names here in America? But certainly in you. European women's football. They are leak Americans Cherie to spits, Vivianne Vivianne, Madame Daniel Vanda, donc, described by one of our own spin articles as the complete McVay lurk, which is hyper is indeed. And of course, Leon's Representative Shani's van de Sandon. They're all top-class midfield and attacking players. The they have one of the squads at the world cope with an average of twenty five years of age, you think of where ours is trending. Why not the Iran Jay, why can't they do it? And I went back because I watched the final brilliant, finding against Denmark from twenty seventeen in the European women's championship on this was the final goal in the four to win. Tied together as me she's already schooled once today. Can she? Seal the deal. In the final Netherlands, champions, a seesaw finalists cement hit, full past and become. Quiz off your. Yet. The new queens of Europe are flying little bit under the radar for a lot of people. Well, according to Caesar's their fifth. So after England the odds for our for the Netherlands, are next I really maybe maybe uncompleted colored by the fact that they are so entertaining to watch on. Maybe the fact that they will concede goals and their cavalier and their attitude is works against them. In terms of the odds, let's see. JJ. I went with a team that I actually mentioned already, and that is a very familiar foe for the US woman, and is Sweden who once again, predictably are in the same group as the US because it seems to happen, every single time, really because it almost does JD US and Sweden are grouped together for the fifth straight women's World Cup and the sixth one overall. It's crazy. Now, here's the thing, the US Stoorikhel have a good record against we. I think it's twenty one wins six losses. But here's the thing. They actually have a three match winless streak against Sweden, including the two thousand sixteen Olympics, where Sweden knocked the US out the earliest they've ever been knocked out in a major tournament, which in the quarter-final left, a bitter taste it really did Sweden's got experienced six players with over one hundred caps, they know how to defend against the US, which we talked about, which it may not make for the most appealing watch. However, it can be effective. They're going to fend, like crazy. And if they can get the United States on the counter attack, that is thing that could potentially happen, especially like we said, if the US are bombing everybody forward fullbacks defensive midfielders Sweden won their group and UEFA qualifying they lost twice in the last year. They are a dangerous team. They shared the Algarve Cup with the Netherlands, I believe. So there is there is reason for concern. I think if you're somebody who is looking at potential dark horses in bogey teams for Sweden because they. I know the US well, and they've played them well recently, so there you go. Those are teams to look out for. Yep. There it is it should be a fun tournament. We will, of course be doing podcasts after US game. So we'll be here on Tuesday next week to give you a podcast after the, the US and Thailand should be fun, man. My expectations are understandably high. Do you have a pick? You actually wanna make a selection now. To win this not, I don't like to to go against the US by France are gonna win. I do feel that. Well, I'm taking the US. Okay. Does that make me a bad guy? No, we're supposed to be objective. And I am I can see that correlated the data and I think it's going to be France. I'm taking the US JJ maybe Scotland gonna Bramante runs final. I'm bothered that the US and France may wind up playing so early in the tournament. What depends maybe Sweden, put the fly in the Oatman send a second in the group, which everyone will bemoan initially, but maybe a good way for us to advance the England Belgium. Conundrum in the men's World Cup wrecked which benefited England enormously completely. Right. Let's not go down that road. Again. No, of course not. So it's gonna be fun. We're gonna have coverage throughout the entire tournament. So please stick with us because we're going to have a great time, hopefully will who knows. We might even have more moments like this. Oh base, which came from the two thousand fifteen women's World Cup. We're in the eighty second minute. Andrew Jamaica, still leading one nil. We're going to go into a break now, though. Yep. We got plenty more to go. We've got a big mail bag coming up. We've got to what to watch for red card man of the match and our reaction to whatever continues to happen in the final moments of this US Jamaica friendly, don't go anywhere. Back now. Thank god. We didn't do a pot about this JJ during the break while we're watching the game because we don't have the volume up obvious. We're doing a show you just kind of casually said to me. Hey, pull up the stats and let's just see what's going on. And I and I did. And at the moment, the shots, which you can't solely go off known. But kind of times it can be telling the shots were twelve to three in favor of Jamaica, four zero on target. The US have not registered shot on target up to this point in the game. This is. Like I said, in the first part, nobody panic. This is not our first team. But this is all as horrifying. I hope you got your tickets cheap for all defeating. Join disappointments do mail bag. Sure. Yeah. Co Axial soccer pod. Cutoffs off pot g mill dot com. Caught off say ESPN on the Instagram, gut another giveaway is just it is. So sloppy, you know what sloppy is your distraction on this podcast. How dare you? I'm about to do a male bike. Oh. Nobody needs to hear this. By the way, we have we need more followers on Instagram on, on our Twitter. I know we much prefer listeners which we have a lot of. But, you know, go over to our social media and connect with those there, it's, it's a fun and friendly space. Yes, people really responded, well to my emotional breakdown after the Tottenham Liverpool podcast really did. Yeah. They enjoyed the Croke in your voice. We're gonna start with rod Murphy in east Lansing, Michigan. Dear Spurs, Iandi and never welcomed on jayjay your horse voices the day after the Champions League final never sounded so good. Sure. The game was a scruffy affair both paucity and a dearth of memorable moments but for all of us who have been for years now loyal listeners to the podcast. It was a chance to save her how your shared love of soccer convenes us as a community of listeners, frankly, I am surprised, Harry lemon is still standing. But ideally, wish I could have been there for the event, even if Tottenham and Liverpool never again play for such high stakes may there be Manny more watch parties at which you get to see the loyalty of inspired amongst. Your listeners. I'm pleased that the off side called continue from all the reports the fans from both teams had a grand time Madrid and left behind a residue of much goodwill. That is very true. Yeah. I've heard that. Yep. Yeah. No. Well, we'll get to some not so much goodwill associated with English fans in a minute, not all rivalries, have to be bitter virtual. So let the ab- Lucians go on. You are each talented individuals. But this crazy partnership you formed has a special chemistry and magic. That is truly remarkable. It's like next year's rat battle is going to have to be like some kind of, you know, friendship rap. Count me in for the next five years of listening. Thank you very much. Mr Rod Murphy, in Michigan. Zach Zimmerman I, I want to say thanks for hosting the Champions League. Final watch party even though as Tottenham fan we didn't get result. We were hoping for it was a lot of fun being caught up Cy community. You guys should definitely host more of these in the future plan to I've been following the twenties pretty closely. And it looks like we have some real talent that age considering how few spots are locked down on the senior men's team. Right. No bully to you think it's a possibility that the twenty twenty two World Cup team will have more players from the US twenty team than the summers goal Cup team. Wow. What a question. My gut is to say no. However, there will like I said in the first part of the podcast night, there will be players that you're watching right now from this you twenty side that are gonna be on the next World Cup team. Tim a will be. It was hard to watch a bastion Soto. And not think he will be, especially when you look at that position for us, like what has happened to Bobby wood, where we'll Josie Al. Door at that stage in his career. Oh, JJ. How the US shot just sergeant registering. The, the US's first shot on target any eighty seven th minute came dangerously close to scoring. But a great save. Oh man. Oh. Nice talk over sharp something of a bit of the Bergkamp about him, now I'm really talking to God. So, yeah. I mean like it's a valid question. But like you said in the first part, let's also not get too caught up with what the twenty side or if they're not starting for their clubs are there. Adrift on the bench somewhere. Are they going to be there? Like Bobby wood is a case in point a cautionary tale. Right. And just remember how many young players, which is a good thing, how many young players are currently a part of the senior side, Pule sick McKinney atoms, just to name, a few meows, go potentially. Really almost most of them with the exception of, like Bradley Josie whom I who are the obvious. I mean well, Yellen won't be a part of this Gold Cup team for unfortunate reasons with his injury. But yeah, this your point there will be players, though. There will be we've had a plethora of tweets about in article soul Andy mitten, who writes, reeche NFC, but also is editor at large, from for four four two magazine, which was the magazine of choice when I was a kid started in ninety four started buying it loved it. He went to visit Mexico to the second division to visit with Diego Maradonna. Don't wait. Are you doing something? Now. It's Diego Maradonna. Yeah. On diego. Maradonna say is that going to form part of a red card or man of the match? No better. Can I keep talking about it? Or do you want me to stop? How about can you save this? I have a, a five stars for five years review later in the podcast. Seven don't forget, about his name will come. Oh, good. Lord, Matthew at magnum PI reduce. What is the cultural difference between the portion of England fans who are won't to make this kind of Rookus versus the NFC Tottenham fans who produced a grit, showing in Madrid that is one of the great questions so tonight and portal ahead of England's nations league semi final clash with the Netherlands, there's been real crowd trouble amongst English fans. They've been charged with batons, by the Portuguese. Police they've been throwing bottles singing anti IRA songs singing songs about the second World War. And a lot of people are asking, why does this keep? Happening and why didn't it happen in Madrid? I would say the first thing is that the Liverpool Spurs fans are regular travelers to Europe, this won't work these days, it's not the nineteen eighties. If you're in the Champions, League or European qualification, if you act, the thug all the time, then it's a real problem in the fans are much better behaved. I think it's because England fans take a lot of fans opened down the road from places where teams aren't in Europe anymore. You know teams don't get to travel from the lower leagues. You're old you're Bari's your leads. You know, your Sheffi Wednesdays I don't want, I'm not tagging these clubs. I'm just saying clubs that aren't in the primarily. I'm not saying those clubs had Anne fans had anything to do with violence tonight. But there's inelegant that when they get a broad, it's all about empire and the second World War, and the IRA and Trump is in the north and all those things they get beers in them. They feel as if they're a conquering army and away, they go, there's a good documentary from World Cup two thousand. And six from the BBC and they talk about the hooligan mentality at the German World Cup guys. Go go and watch it on YouTube. It's very interesting and get insides gets inside the mind of people who go abroad, sing these songs throw bottles of the police Mitchell in Ohio. I've been a longtime listener for probably about two years now. And I really miss Nep sold at work. I've had to stay by myself until about three a m on Wednesday nights, cleaning things that we can't clean. Why open and I found out listening to the pod is a great way to kill time and make it less quiet and boring. Is this good? I just wanted to send us into the mailbox to do it. It'll homeless break. I went full Spurs the Andy for the Champions League finale. I am a Liverpool supporter, and sadly had to work during the final. So I completely shut myself away from every app for sports. I have and Twitter and I didn't see a single second of the game until I got off work and was able to watch my recording of the game. That's awesome. When people can execute in this modern digital digital world that's really tough. But it can be done. Can be done. Well, don't Mitchell. Really? That's all I wanted to say. Thanks for making Grischuk every week for me to fill my boring life with sound your lifestyle, boring, you just of job that you have to listen to me, Andrew to get through fair enough. That's they're worse things. Worse things you are valued in your loved bios. This is from anonymous got this on Saturday morning on my way to the Champions League final in Harry lemon one of the money reasons. I love your podcast is because my close friend and I are also Spurs in Liverpool fan. Of course. Sensibly undeliverable fun. Well. He decided to start dating my ex-girlfriend four years, a month after we broke up behind my back. I found out on Easter Sunday. Needless to say, we are not friends anymore, but this final seems like my chance at payback goal Liverpool be my karma on a raise the memory of carriers in last year's final, please. So I guess he's laughing last, he's laughing maniacally out the window. So what am I supposed to feel bad about being Tottenham fan after? No. What was the point of that just that Tottenham funds? You know, be trusted ethically morally joking joking on finally, you'll never walk alone. Gentlemen, specifically. JJ. Sorry, andrew. How are you today? I m e e mailing to revel in Sunday are Saturday's thrilling victory basking in the red tinged dove supporting the European champions Liverpool football club. Really though jen's. I wanted to say. Thanks. I mean United States Marine who was currently deployed I fell in love with Liverpool last year. And after watching them thoroughly dismantled man city in the Champions League quarter-finals on finally had a club to cheer on after years of following the competition. But I feel is superseded only by the World Cup and college football's regular-season interesting. It is also known that time that I discovered your podcast and have enjoyed listening ever since the phone you have, and the happiness you create and me when I listened to your reactions to the UCLA semi's was fantastic. Gents thousands of miles away from my home. My wife. I have not been able to watch a single match life. I've only gotten to see highlights of games. I want to say thank you for giving me something to look forward to and to take my mind off home. It has being a blast to listen on follow the European Socrates and unfold through your guys podcast. I am really appreciative of that. And I hope you guys keep up the great work, I will finish by saying, JJ, I will drink a point to you, and our boys, the next time I can, and I want to say it as a fan of money, American sports teams that have. Let me down over the years. I know the feeling and I can say no that truly do hope Tottenham get that allusive trophy here soon. Cheers, boys, that's from JD Smith. Lance, corporal US Marine Corps. That's very nice. Yeah, we thank him for his service. And I raise a point to use or maybe we can raise the point together sometime who you a me or him in me, JD, your parents, too, so disengaged because it's now gone fine. This respect five that was a lovely Email, you were doing your worried about the reggae Boyz on the, the lost boys. You were rolling over there. I thought I could just kinda hone in on the US just loss to Jamaica and it was just so bad. There was one mile, these reactions get out of the ground. What are you standing room for biting, your fingers, hoping the TV cameras comes across you, American outlaws? Get out of there and have a pint boy, just such a like again, I it's, it's. Overreact to. But I was just such a bummer of a performance before we joined dryer Bill, Twitter, please, we don't need the drama guys in the stands. We don't need the drama. It's an experiment. That didn't go right tonight. Thank you JD. Smith, by the way, and I apologize for Andrew phasing out four minutes into stoppage time, Georgia. Mehalla vich had a move where he broke through got into the penalty area was almost of sort of one on one with the keeper. But his last touch let him down kind of befitting of the night. Overall sounds like Duane Holmes was really the only bright spot for the US in this game may be a performance like that could be enough to get them onto the twenty three man squad. But boy, there's I don't know what you do. If you're bear halter after a game like that, if this was a night where you're supposed to look at certain performances and make decisions is. It's just a matter of, like, who was the least bad that I can bring with me because he's rough and for Venezuela on Sunday. I'm wondering now. So do they go with like how much of their ace squad do they now they've got to play? At least one game together with his preferred eleven now, I don't think all of them will be there. I don't think Tyler Adams arrives in the US until next Tuesday. We'll have to see. I mean, I remember these these gold cups under your Clinton. And it was like the group stayed people still testing things out. Maybe that's just the nature, but they've got to be careful. We always say that, like find your squad Guyana. You're worried about them about everything I have a what to watch for here. I don't really have much to say about it, but I do want to mention that the nation's league Thursday to forty five Netherlands and England today. Cristiano Rinaldo what can you say about them? But what it wasn't a grit Portuguese performance. And yet, he pulls out a hatches. His performance was pretty good. He has a hat trick Portugal defeat Switzerland three one which fire too much fire and lengthy VAR envir- for incidental contacts and going back and what I said on Twitter, don't think it was a penalty for the Swiss although to say they didn't deserve an equaliser will be wrong. Wrong on it was brilliant from Hernaldo, then, too, by the way, the goalie finished at the near post where he sweeps at home 'cause that's strike at the peak of his powers, and he's not he's thirty four unbelievable. But the, the one that he scored after that, even I eighty eight and the one where he painted yet we've cuts in and Benza creek old Renaldo, but as a striker is goal. I prefer the other one just but I'm nitpicking talking about aesthetics are is more aesthetically pleasing to watch. I don't watch the curl then. Yeah. But to catch it as it's bouncing open than drive low into the keeper Netherlands, in England should be interesting. It's so funny with Netherlands, the how quickly it looks like this turnaround has occurred because now I'm starting to think about it, and I'm starting to think about the next ten years, potentially a Van Dyke intellect in the central defense for the Netherlands and even some of their older players. I apply. It's not that old, he's only in his mid twenties. You know he's had. Starring start to his career. Now, he's being linked with Liverpool linked with pyre your mind, so many different clubs these Tottenham players that are on England like they're gonna go on the field. Oh, God him. Again, Van Dyke, God can't we escape you. Let's see. She'll be an interesting game I mentioned women's World Cup. JJ kicks off Friday, three o'clock, France and South Korea. And then we're often running everyday, there's games up until the knock-out rounds MLS. It's a lesser lighter weekend, but there is still a couple of games worth watching Friday, seven o'clock, Toronto, FC and sporting Kansas City, see who Toronto picked up Omar Gonzalez back in the US a or Canada. But back in the US league is the point. Yeah, yeah, very interesting. We'll see how that works out for Toronto. Also this one Saturday, seven thirty Philadelphia union and the New York red bulls Philadelphia with a good performance. Over the weekend. They have been maybe the pleasant surprise of the season so far rivalry match. We'll see if they can keep it going. And the friendly, we talked about the US in Venezuela, Sunday at two o'clock, a couple other games also that I didn't have on on here, but the US under twenty's Saturday, eleven thirty A M, U US and Ecuador nice for a spot in the in the semi finals Ecuador apparently better than their group stage suggests so that's going to be interesting. And then also the winner of Netherlands and England will face Portugal, that is Sunday midday also big European jumps you qualify for the Republican Ireland a way to Denmark, again, because we have to Denmark, it is so decreed, if you're US women verse Swedish with magin had them in the nation's league had them in World Cup qualifying have them again in European championship. Qualifying let's see. JJ. I wanna get to this straightaway here. Red card. So let's talk about this. I gave it just essentially to the name, our situation. Let's go through it. So basically every single aspect of the situation has been bad. Obviously, we'll start with the accusation against neymar, which if true would land him in prison, potentially then from there, you have neymars potentially illegal decision to mount his own defense in an Instagram video, which reveals extremely sensitive information about the accuser, then earlier today, there's the confusion over just what the charge is against name are in the first place. This is from the independent. They write the Brazilian lawyers who first represented. An unidentified woman who was accused name are rape say that her initial complaint charged charged. She was a victim of aggression, or physical violence, by the player though. They added that doesn't mean thirty's couldn't pursue a prosecution in the case as she reported it to police, the attorney said, in a statement, they believe their former client has has solid evidence. She suffered what they referred to as physical violence at a Paris Otell on may fifteenth later, one of the attorneys added that a private medical report obtained, by the woman showed she had bruises scratches anxiety and depression, he declined to show the report as to the allegations of rape. That was new to members of our law firm, the lawyers said in a statement authorities will decide whether it happened or not, they might have a difference reputation from our so JJ now the accusers new attorney is accusing the former legal team of this woman of betraying their client in every possible way. So it's, it's chaos to shambles. Here's the thing. So here's what we don't know whether or not a crime between name are in the woman actually took place. But here's what we do know everything that you're seeing here is why women hesitate to come forward in the first place from so many different ends neymars, most prominently among them this has been handled. So poorly, and has taken on such a circus, like feel to it that you can understand why the accusers initial desire was simply to pursue this civil court keep media attention at a minimum. And I know that there will be people who will come at me, and say, well, if name neymar didn't do this. He has a right to defend himself, which is certainly true. Look, I know it might be hard for neymar to do this. But you have a legal team for a reason to defend yourself through the proper legal channels. So now because whether or not he's innocent, he still now may have committed a second crime that is being investigated by Brazil cybercrime division when he. Posted this Instagram video, it's why you have to defend yourself through legal channels. And it just goes to show that this whole thing has been handled from everyone legal teams included, so poorly, so poorly, you've laid it all out there. I don't have a whole ton to say, except to agree with you, but I will go back to things. We've heard before in the past about name are specifically about those who advise them who is controlled here because nobody with anti common sense would ever. The first thing they would have said, is you do not go near social media, and essentially, like you say, potentially commit another crime, by by giving out sensitive information on Instagram that is wild to me. Yeah. And look, here's, here's an overriding thing, and it's today, it's interesting time into talking about this, because it's the same day that the rape lawsuit against Cristiano Rinaldo has shifted from being simply a civil case too. Now being a federal case Sam board and rights, here that the woman accusing Cristiano Renaldo of raping her shifted the venue for her legal charges against the football superstar, dropping, her case in Nevada State court, so not civil court state court, but filing identical charges in federal court, according to attorney so without even getting into that here. Here's the problem. So who are the three give or take? But the three faces of the sport messy Renaldo nam anymore. And two of the three faces the sport. Right now are embroiled in some kind of rape accusation. It's terrible. It's terrible for the game. It's terrible for the image of the game. If these guys did it. It's terrible for all those involved. So that's it. And we'll obviously continue to see what happens with both of these cases. But it's just it's bad. And then I see neymar today showing up at Brazil training in his Mercedes helicopter just like get a clue man. I know. But. Who is it voicing him, who is his, his inner circle because let's be honest since the move to PS g including the move to be possibly they've done everything wrong. Everything what do you have this from the BBC aspirants have been ordered to return, the African Champions League trophy unto replay, the second leg of the final, I read that first line. And I thought Andrews absolute dream would be Liverpool have been ordered to return the Champions League final did unity inside lead wooden hill in Saturday's second leg. But Moroccan opponents white add Casablanca left the pitch after an equalizer scored was disallowed white add wanted the. Video assistant referee to check if the goal should stand, but the system was not working the confederation of African football. Caf said, the second leg will be played at a neutral venue, the woman draw from the first leg and Morocco stands, the replay will be after the Africa Cup of nations in Egypt with which ends on the nineteenth of July a calf statement, said conditions of game and safety were not met in the second leg unmade Crear s bronze players. Most return their winners medals as well as the trophy play in the second leg was halted after. Why dad taught that equalize on fifty nine minutes through while eight L cartoons header it was disallowed for infringement? The viruses, Tom was visible on the side of the pitch. Now, if you look at the picture, it's literally like, remember, one of those old arcade games with the holds over it, it looks like a battered, one of those, that's being on plugged, and had not been told at, but the players, this is the worst thing about the players had not been told. It was not in use because of a mouth luncheon. Why don't you just say at the start of the game guys? Here's the situation vire is not working. We will not be using it tonight. Are you agreeing to play if you're not we have to figure another date if you are? Let's just play without us that feels a little amateurish to me, tirelessly terribly amateur, but I'm saying even your suggestion. But what else could they do? You can't not tell the players that's exactly what they did that every right to walk off, if you expect VAR to be used, and that's what you've played under in the first leg, and it's not there what a joke. I have the vision of Cope's and medals being returned. How do you even do that? You do you kind of reverse moonwalk up the podium, take it off and give it back. Did you lifted in the air and then put it down call? No, you're not enjoying any of this stick. No. I'm still kind of watching the coverage of the first you ignore JD Smith. And no. You didn't ignore JD Smith. We're gonna have a pint. All right. Caught off sides man of the match. Let's see JJ with Lennart John Johansen. It's fitting to me that in this time, we're debates are being held about this Superleague replace on the champions. We take time to time to honor the man who essentially created the Champions League. I'm reading here from the guardian Lennart Johansson, who oversaw the introduction of the Champions League during a seventeen year reign as president of European football's governing body has died. He was eighty nine new Hansen said, creating the Champions League to replace the European Cup was his proudest achievement at UEFA it evolved, in the club football's most lucrative and prestigious competition with expansion that saw non domestic champions, given the entry in addition to that JJ, he also ran for fief. Resident against everybody's favourite president, Sepp Blatter in one thousand nine hundred eight but narrowly lost. And then became a loud voice against bladder, accusing him of corruption and vote buying two things that we can get on board with the father of the Champions League JJ, Leonard, you'll Hanson dead at the age of eighty nine one to pay respect to him for creating what is such I mean after the World Cup. Is it like the most prestigious competition in the world I, I guess Copa America fans with take with that they want us to we considered europhiles considered as the biggest competition in the world? But I mean he he revamped it into what it is. Now in one thousand nine hundred ninety three we had the group stages on it was it was what we know what has today. Pretty much exactly. Yeah. And it used to be knockout. Magin strint nocco, well, but yeah, so I wanted to get that mentioned there, by the way, speaking of the Super League, I saw now the boondocks league and the Premier League kind of uniting is in a force again. It. So it's almost a point on I know, Lita I think, is against it as well. It's really Italy. That is carrying the mantle master city on PS, g you're going to don't let them off the hook do not off. But if the Premier League and the boondocks league are both against it then just like say, okay, go ahead with your Super League and see how it does with our teams. Yeah. Who's going to take it seriously? The Champions League. I'm taking it's so good. It's par fish so good. It's not perfect. Obviously, because you would like to extend the franchise to other countries a little bit more that we could see a little more bit more diversity, it's full. We still see it's as good as it's going to be in the modern era of soccer. Look, we love it. Absolutely. What do you have? My man of the match is Daniel storage on. I just wanna play one of his final Manatt is finally it was back in September. One of his one of his best goal certainly for Liverpool against Chelsea at Stanford bridge in that crucial equaliser laid on if you can play this was one of my favorite goals by him and starches decided that, well the club. Decided that he will move on from Liverpool. Where to we don't know. But at this is going to be one of my aunts memories. Side is king. Storage? But then you'll still. Contending. An incredible hall of goals from guy who struggled for so long in the red shirt to be fit onto play regularly. We'll, we'll always remember that, that SAS partnership Swire's and starch from the thirteen fourteen championship run, the Liverpool put together, a never quite hit those peaks again. Because injury really eroded his ability to be on the feeling of on. I think a style is a stylistic clash Klopp. And what he wanted to do definitely didn't help either. But I just wanted to ask you, Donna storage, I will remember with nothing but fondness a bit Assad nece that he was injured as much as he was. But is there a player, you think you're sporting life that? For whatever reason didn't quite fit divided opinion in your club, but you loved him. And he gave you so many good moments. I'm not talking Iverson, who was known cold legend, he doesn't fit the mill or even Sean Jackson, who was stolen coal legend for the fit for the eagles. Who was this kind of just at the player that a lot of people probably when you're talking about your legends won't offer him in that, same, Brandon? I always loved Eric snow. That's a tough one there on that fitted that Bill free. Dempsey, probably a while yet. But so hugely bias. Yeah. That it's almost not fair to even use him. But because he is actually a guy who like some Tottenham fans didn't think much of, but he score insured time. He scored somebody big goals. I, I mean well I was gonna say Aaron Lennon, because at the end there were a lot of times fans that were over him. But I love them, right. Till the end. If I had a little bit more time to think about it. I, I don't know. Michael Dawson was kind of that player but everytime fan loved him because he cared so much. And got the most out of really having no kind of physical athletic Ledley king. Well, you know, he is he's a legend even though I mean injuries held him back from maybe what he could have been. But he's a Tottenham Tottenham. I dunno. I dunno. I love all those far too many like. I would you call them amateur physicians are Amateur Athletic trainers who were on Twitter yesterday. Chirpin wasted Thailand and shame. He what was so unfair release fan. But, but like as if an also the criticism that, oh, the slightest pain, he would he wouldn't play he chronic injuries. How do people have decided that he just didn't care enough for you to, to make that judgment? I'll be so curious where he goes neck. It's one of my own criticisms of your Klopp was that he said, what he said two seasons go, we said Daniel has to know what you know how to play through real pain. I thought that was beyond the pale. You can't you can't say things like that. So there you go JJ that is pretty much our show. But we do have one more thing, so many people have been asking for this. So I felt like we had to give the God five stars for five years memory of the week. We've gotten a lot of submissions for this one, I'm going to reach us one of the post. This is from jetty who posted hands down, my favorite moment. So far has been the Daego Maradonna clip. I haven't laughed that hard in every time. Pops up. I can't get it out of my head the rest of the day. So to jetty and all the others. Here you go. This is from back in November, November twenty six of two thousand eighteen five stars for five years memory of the week on caught off side. Let's see my red card. Oh. O J J, Diego Maradonna. So he, I guess, just to set the scene of what about to play for you. He was being interviewed. At a league match and division two, let's be honest. Okay. And so he was basically asked for his take on the quality of league AmEx here. Here's his response. If you even want to call it that. Makino Cosby them in mice and football league, I make muscle. The Mazar sitka me, Makino, go look on the league I make this. Do you remember, do you remember? There's two things that come to mind with this. You remember the character says being retired for no good reason on family guy, he was the posh, Massachusetts guy or maybe ruled 'push Rhode Island person. He was James L bottom tooth. I think. Still. Or it reminds me of, when they take the quick lubes wolf of Wall Street. And. Diamond Donny, as off is trying to say it Steve Madden, and the kids, speak St. mad. He couldn't they didn't ask him to say. The couldn't fake it. You couldn't just give a stock answer in Spanish like, oh, well, this leak is is a great league and it's been reformation ears prominent. I love what he couldn't say, anyth-. He could only say this. Question must have been like did I just ask the world's most difficult question is producer must needed to assure him afterwards. That was not in any way, shape or form difficult wasn't occurs. Own believable. Now Meyer, Donna has a well documented history. With substances cocaine being one of are you implying. Nothing. I'm not I'm just suggesting that maybe I don't know. I don't want to do that, but I can't explain. We know people in this industry who have what we call meaty pauses between their answers. This is hardly that so you ask an you ask a question. Oh, what do you think of the strength of league max? And they'll start like that. And even then you might really rice this is beyond me, pausing. If they had asked him his thoughts on the theory of relativity. And he answered that way, I would have said, do better than that. But this was just saying what do you think of the quality of this league while you're five stars for five years memory of the week? That is classic that never will ever get old. I might just get a t shirt Maradona's face from that interview on the front and on the back. God. So, yeah, there you go. A lot of people ask for that one. So Andy interviewed him for four four two. Yes. Yeah. And he said, in the most throwaway fashion. Oh, Man United. Hey, I hear they're looking for a manager. I do it. I'd certainly set a lot of t-shirts wrong. If read it read it. Yeah. He said, if Manchester United Nita coach, I'm the man to do it. I know they sell lots of shirts around the world, but they need to win trophies, too. I can do that for them. He also said that Manchester. United used to be my favorite English team for so long so many great players and a great team. Alex ferguson. But now I have to say man city, I know you shouldn't change like that. But it's because of Kuna Guerra we speak a lot and he plays a very good team. This was the most throwaway comments ever guys. I don't want you tweeting at me. He's not going to be Manchester United manager. It's not happening. Imagine the team talk day urine goal. And then as. We get out the field centrebacks molding. And then. To two guys look at each other they do there's guys doing the interview DA spend the port guys, there's such pros and they're looking at each other, and they're just giving each other the stare, you know, the nodding as if what is profound is going to happen yet. I mean do you jump in and help him? Do you just let them drown? Doing their gotta get in there. Don't you gotta break up. The lie humiliating, but you have to give them a chance to save himself. I think they were hoping that eventually he'll snap come straight away. Or is that a dago halfway through the Lao? Diego's? Silly question considering all the grit leagues. You've played in Spain etcetera etcetera he couldn't. You're, you're hoping you're hoping that he rifts about Barcelona or something like that. Where are not believe eventually? You'll just be reduced to like keep trying to simplify the question, more and more. And eventually, you'd just be like the tell us about your house. Do you have a share you like how much simpler, could it get? Remember, we met a listener at the weekend from Long Island, and she's Italian on her dad's are yeah, her dad's -opoly fun. So they're gonna be tuning into the new documentary that's coming out soon about mired. It looks really good. It looks amazing and I just thought of that in. Oh, yeah. So there you go as always, you can submit your I tunes review what I tunes is not gonna be thing anymore. So I don't know what that means for reviews. I guess you don't need to do it on itunes. It's like on podcast. You can just autumn of the. Oh, yeah. It's a podcast. Don't worry about you. We should call it apple podcast review. Yeah, you're right. You're right. So leave your five stars. Leave your review, we've lost to get through right? And in the review. Leave if you have a favorite memory from the five years of the podcast, like we've been doing. We'll try to find it and play it for you. There's a bunch. More good ones overwhelming, Maradona's support. Yeah. But that one just knocked a lot of the people out who were who were making their submissions. That was a favourite apparently. Well, hey. This was fun man to you. I say. See later LA. Listening to cod off side. Sucker podcast.