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Trump's Ukraine diplomat provides smoking gun text message: 'Crazy' to withhold aid for political reasons
"Kirk Volcker was giving over nine hours of under oath testimony three House committees working on the impeachment of the president. It was a deposition behind closed doors but some elements of Kurt Poker's testimony have found their way into the New York Times tonight. Kirk Fokker resigned last tweak as the State Department's Special Envoy to Ukraine. It's not at all clear why this State Department needed an envoy to Ukraine when we already had an ambassador to Ukraine but it seems one of Kurt volkers missions was to translate trump to the new Ukrainian president that means current Volcker was in frequent contact with Bill Taylor who became became in effect the Acting Ambassador in Ukraine Donald Trump removed an ambassador who Giuliani did not find to be cooperative enough in his Ukraine's games that were designed designed to force Ukraine to help the trump campaign by investigating Joe Biden Times reports this smoking gun incurred volkers under oath testimony today he disclosed closed set of texts in September in which Bill Taylor the top American diplomat and Ukraine alluded to Mr Trump's decision earlier in the summer to freeze as a military aid package to the country he told Mister Sunland and Mr Volcker. I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. That is a very smoky gun in writing a member of the trump administration's diplomatic core. The highest highest ranking diplomat in Ukraine puts the trump crime in writing in a text. I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance assistance for help with a political campaign. It's all their everything you need is right there in that text secretary of state. Mike pompeo is blocking King Orden Sunland who was the other person was on that text from testifying under oath to the House on is the United States ambassador to the European Union. Now we know why Mike pompeo is blocking his testimony. Gordon Sunland is in possession of at least one text in which America's top diplomat in Ukraine says I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. It's all right there in that text. That's why I'm repeating it. Withhold withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. Mike Pompeo didn't want you to know that those words were ever were written by one of the ambassadors in Ukraine. How many more smoking guns are there in the State Department text messages in their email records and documents that Mike pompeo is now refusing to hand over to the House representatives. The New York Times is reporting tonight that Kurt Volker Gordon Sunland Co wrote a statement the President of Ukraine to make about investigating Joe Biden Times reports the statement would have committed Ukraine to investigating the energy company Burri SMO- smell which had employed hunter biden the younger son of former Vice President Joseph R Biden junior and it would have called for the Ukrainian government to look into what Mr Trump trump and his allies believe was interference by Ukrainians and they twenty sixteen election in the United States to benefit Hillary Clinton the president of Ukraine never ever delivered that statement that was written for him by the trump administration and leading off our discussion tonight or Evelyn Farkas. She's a former deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Obama administration she served on the professional staff on the Senate Armed Services Committee and is now an MSNBC national security analysts also joining us John Holum National National Affairs analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. He is co host and executive producer of showtime's the Circus Evelyn. I want to start with you and where we are on this Ukraine in case you know some of the players in this case you know Kirk Bulker. What do you make of his testimony today. And what more do you think we're going to be learning about it right so as you say Lawrence I know ambassador. Avon rich who also testified or I guess she. She's the one who was removed by Donald Trump from I know her. I know her deputy. He's also being held back by pompeo and I know Kurt Volker and I happen to know from a source close to the investigation a bit of what happened today and a bit of the context I guess again this is second hand at least but essentially it seems that what Volker occur was trying to do and I've known him for a long time so I'm giving him. A lot of benefit of the doubt was to try to maneuver the situation so that he can get president the trump to meet with presidents. Alinsky the new Ukrainian president he thought that Giuliani was feeding a bunch of garbage that he had heard from some Ukrainians and one Ukrainian in particular earlier to president trump and that he needed to get the truth from zone Linski. The problem here is that Kurt volkers the envoy the president's onboard the president should be listening to Kurt Volker. WHO's a longtime never mind that he was appointed by trump. He's also a longtime foreign service officer for many years before he got out and started to work for the McCain Institute so President Trump should've been listening to him but he was listening to her to Guiliani and so- Kurtz trying to maneuver it so that he can inoculate trump and maybe convince convince Giuliani somewhere along the way that there's no problem with Ukraine under this new president and maybe steer him away from the investigation now. I can't speak to what what Kurt knew what what these guys knew clearly the new acting ambassador Bill Taylor relatively new. We'll see how long you laugh. I knew him as well. You know he was also point out to them what they were doing and they shouldn't be doing in the document that the New York Times has is a draft and apparently both Kurt and the Ukrainian go between the same guy that that Giuliani message the statement they wanted the president of Ukraine to make exactly draft three to drop it would not mention Ukrainians got nervous. They didn't want to mention Biden. I don't even know if they wanted to mention prisma the oil company and ultimately both Kurt and the Ukrainian decided. Let's drop this. Kurt didn't didn't get what he wanted though either because he wanted a separate meeting with President Trump and presidents Alinsky not on the sidelines of the UN meeting because it would have been a bigger deal to have it at the White House John Heilemann the by the way this isn't available reading of the evidence when you look at all this evidence you you can look at at at Volker for example and say this is either a guy who as as the text says is part of this scheme to withhold old aid for a for a political campaign favorite you could see him as part of that or you could see him as someone who is struggling under the burden of that desire liar created by Rudy Giuliani Donald trump and he's trying to get to the right place and he's trying to get Ukraine to the right place and he's saying look just say this. Let let trump here. When you say this and then everything will be okay? I want to express any lack of interest in that topic because Volcker and there's a lot of psychoanalysis that's involved in that. I just go back to the beginning of what's what happened today. which is the? United States went out and and not has already confessed to this crime but then kind of doubled golden tripled down on the crime to your point Lawrence. He does seem to think that he understands. I think now that their facts in contention here and given that is now been explained to him that since there are no facts in dispute you could argue process right you can say. Democrats are in league with the whistle blower. Somehow shifts shifty. You can say all that stuff but on the facts facts of it the only way out for him. Now is basically say yes. I did this thing because it's clear I did and it's okay and and to make the point that it's okay is the best way to make that is just do it again and do it as publicly as possible in the most flaming gratuitous way as you can and watching this thing happened today. I will say I arrived in Washington today from having been on a west coast making the circus for this this this week and came here looking for a Republican any Republican any Republican who would come on camera to talk to me about what's going on to maybe the worst day in the history of my life. Try to book a Republican in Washington to talk about Donald Trump because there's no one who wants to get within a mile of a camera on this day. That's how bad this day was. Donald trump that even his most stalwart defenders are like no thank you. I don't really early. Wa WanNa get near the camera. That's how bad what happened. This morning was for trump in terms of just the way the politics of shaping
Don McGahn departs as White House counsel
"NBC news has confirmed that Don Mcgann is out as White House counsel today was done against the last day according to to White House officials. The New York Times which first reported the news says, Mr. Mcgann may have also caused more damage for Mr. Trump than any other White House official in the special counsel investigation. Mr. Mcgann has spent at least thirty hours with Mr. molars, investigators laying out how Mr. Trump tried to interfere with or quash the inquiry, including by trying to fire Mr. Muller himself in the summer of two thousand seventeen federal prosecutors met with President Trump's former personal or cone today at his attorney's office. A person familiar with the matter tells NBC news. Michael Cohen met with quote a group of state and federal law enforcement officials investigating various aspects of president, Donald Trump's family business and charitable organization according to CNN dot com. Yesterday, President Trump was. Asked about Michael Cohen's plea deal with federal prosecutors for the first time in an interview with the Associated Press the Associated Press, asked, president, quote, Cohen, testified under oath in federal court that you directed him to commit a crime. Did you, sir? Trump replied, totally false. It's totally false. The Associated Press followed up with. So he's lying under oath. President Trump replied. Oh, absolutely. He's lying. And Michael Cohen was a PR person who did small legal work, very small legal work. He represented me very little. It's a very low level in April one, Michael cones, home office and hotel room where raided by the FBI President Trump said this disgrace, it's frankly a real disgrace, say an attack on our country at a true sense. Join us. Now, John Holum national fares analyst for NBC news and MSNBC. He's co host and rooster of showtimes the circus and Mimi Roka's. Well, this former federal prosecutor in MSNBC legal contributor and John President Trump in in accusing Michael. Cone of being a liar tells the lie that Michael Cohen was just a small player in his operation who had very little to do with Donald Trump. Yes, barely knew him. I hard. I imagine that even has an opinion about my cone. I not sure he's ever heard of the man. He's never had any part of Donald Trump's life whatsoever. The only thing I think that's true. Lawrence of the things that Donald Trump said about Michael Cohen is that he did very little legal work for Donald Trump because it doesn't seem like he actually did very much legal work for Donald Trump because he's not really lawyer. He also didn't do much PR work. Although he did representing Trump in the press to some extent when he did for Donald Trump in the period of time the decade or so that he worked with Donald Trump not a little bit, but a lot every day for many hours every day. And if you've ever dealt with Donald Trump in those ten years or so, you knew the Michael Cohen was the guy you had to talk to to have any kind of interaction with Donald Trump? What he did was not legal work or PR work, but was business development work. He was the guy who made deals for Donald Trump. Here's the guy who cleaned up Donald Trump's problems. He was the right Donovan guy. He was the guy who went to Moscow and tried to make Trump Tower Moscow happen and to many other countries around the world. So is Trump telling the truth about the fact that. Clone was not much of a lawyer for him. Yes. Was is Donald Trump telling the truth about anything else related to Michael cones degree of involvement in his life? No, all of that is a grotesque live and vanity fair's reporting tonight about Michael Cohen despite having no formal cooperation agreement with the government Cohen has willingly assisted in provided information critical to several ongoing investigations according to sources familiar with the situation in a string of meetings that have exceeded more than fifty hours. Maybe Roca one is that tell you, that's a lot of time tells me he's got a lot of information and they are interested in hearing what he has to say. Everyone should understand though no one's going to take Michael Cohen's word at face value. They're not going to just write down what he says, and then you know, go in to the grand jury and based charges against anyone or any entity on that alone. They are