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"john hollinger" Discussed on Lakers Nation Podcast

Lakers Nation Podcast

22:32 min | 1 year ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Lakers Nation Podcast

"How are you going to bring him back? How do you bring back Malik monk when all you have to offer is the taxpayer mid level exception going to be right around $6 million? There's going to be a lot of teams out there that are going to be able to offer a full mid level exception. Even though there's not a ton of cap space next off season, they're still going to be teams that we'll be willing to give Malik monk. Their full mid level exception, starting somewhere around 11 ish $1 million. It's going to be hard for the Lakers to compete unless they can find a taker for Russell Westbrook so they can clear up some space and feel comfortable using that full mid level exception themselves. Or if they can just take Russ and turn them into some other stuff and find something that does fit. But if they're not willing to attach anything to Russell Westbrook, I find it hard to believe even with an expiring $47 million contract that any team would really want to take on Russell Westbrook just for a season and pay him $47 million to do that. What are the Lakers going to have to take back if they're not willing to attach stop to Russell Westbrook in order to move him. Now, could this be a ploy by the Lakers? Could this be the Lakers saying, hey, look, we can't trade breasts right now because teams want a decent amount. A Ramona shelburne did mention that the price for trading Russell Westbrook away in terms of a John wall deal probably wasn't quite as high as some people are thinking, but if you're trading of anywhere else. If you're trying to free up some room to get flexibility, John hollinger recently brought up the possibility of sending him back to Oklahoma City in a trade for like a Derek favors, you attach a first, get OKC to eat some of that salary. Okay, if you're going to try to do something like that, what you need is you need to not be nearly as desperate. So the Lakers right now telling LeBron telling AD telling Russ, you guys figured out you make it work, what they've got to see is Russell Westbrook fitting in whether they decide to keep him long-term or not. And by long term, I mean just next season, whether they expect him to be in uniform next season or not. What the Lakers need, both right now in terms of winning basketball games, which is kind of important, given the fact that they're sitting in the 9th seat, they're chasing the clippers who just lost by the way to the Phoenix Suns. Thank you, Phoenix for doing what the warriors did not do last night. The warriors lost to the clippers, my goodness, warriors, come on. But in any event, the Lakers need to find a way to get the best out of Russell Westbrook right now so that at the very least your winning games and during the off season you aren't nearly as desperate. If this thing continues to sputter, if you can't get a solid performance out of Russell Weiss brook down the stretch. Teams are going to be looking at the Lakers saying, oh, you want to move Ross? Okay, how many first do you want to kick in? What are you going to give us in order to get us to take him? However, if the Lakers are looking at a situation saying, you know, we wouldn't mind some flexibility, but we don't have to do anything. LeBron, Russ, AD, they figured some stuff out down the stretch, and we think it's going to work out next season. We don't have to do anything. That's dealing from a much stronger position than, oh my gosh, we have to get rid of this guy. It's never going to work. And I think that is part of what hindered the Lakers trade deadline negotiations is everybody saw the Lakers as this desperate team. So on multiple levels, it's really important that the Lakers figure this out right now. Now part of the equation as well. Is Frank Vogel finally had taken the gloves off and benching Russell Westbrook when he's not doing what the team needs him to do out there on the floor. There has been some kind of rumbling that maybe within the Lakers organization, there's thoughts that you know what, we haven't really coached Russell Westbrook the way he needs to be coached this season and maybe you can say that's an indictment of Frank Vogel. Maybe he didn't have the authority to do this from the front office. But now we know now that he's done a multiple times. Now we know if Russ is not doing the things that Vogel's expecting him to do, there's a seat waiting for him on the bench. Perhaps that's what it's going to take for Russell Westbrook to truly change his game and truly adapt to what he needs to do in order to be successful on this team. Now it's not all on brush. You can also point to coach bogle and what he needs to do in order to get the best out of Russell Westbrook both in terms of being willing to bench him and in terms of scheme wise, making sure that he does fit in with the groups that he's on the floor with. That's certainly important as well. But if you are now in a situation where Russell Westbrook knows he is getting benched if he doesn't do the things that he is needed to do, well, maybe that is the key to getting the best out of him. I don't know. We've talked about this a lot. We've talked about how certain players star level players when they aren't quite that when they start to drop down a tier or two, or maybe more. Sometimes it takes hitting that rock bottom for them to finally understand what it is that they have to do and understand that the guy they used to be simply isn't there. And I don't know if we can make that argument about Russell Westbrook. We've seen him explode. We've seen the 35 point game against the Charlotte hornets. We've seen some nice moments from him, but not quite like he used to be. So the question is, Dwight Howard was on the cusp of being out of the NBA, right? It was adapt or you are no longer in this league. You do all the dirty work, you don't demand post ups anymore. You got a block shot sports, you got a set screens, you got to do all that stuff. Otherwise, there's no place for you in this league. Carmelo Anthony was out of the NBA. Had to prove to teams that he was going to be okay with the offense not running through him anymore. You are now a floor space, or you are now just standing behind the three point line and you're going to knock those in at a high percentage and you're going to compete on the defensive end of the floor. Those are the things that these guys had to do, Vince Carter went through a similar transformation where he had to make that adjustment to now being a role player might this finally benching Russell Westbrook sitting him down when he's not doing what you need him to do. Might that finally get rust to make the adjustments necessary to fit a different role on this Lakers team. And fingers crossed, that's what the Lakers front office is hoping for at this moment to both help them win games right now, but also help them in the off season if and when they decide to put him on the trade bloc. Now I know that's a lot about Russ and there's a lot of factors here. We're going to have to see how things play out down the stretch, but just like I've said with Taylor Horton Tucker, where you need a strong finish for him for the same reasons. You need a strong finish, both to help you win games right now and to increase his trade value during the summer, same thing with Russell Westbrook. Frankly, the Lakers are going to have a tough time leverage wise leverage perspective if you get a bad Russell Westbrook performance down the stretch here after the all star break and especially in the play tournament, perhaps in the playoffs as well. You need a solid performance out of him. You need to finally figuring things out and perhaps the only way that you're going to get that is Frank Vogel finally being empowered to bench Russell Westbrook and we'll see what comes out of this. I love that. That is the sound of another sale on Shopify. The all in one commerce platform to start run and grow your business. Shopify is a platform designed for anyone to sell anywhere. Giving entrepreneurs like me, the resources that were once reserved for big business and its customized to your needs. You get a great looking online store that really helps bring your ideas to life. And tools to manage the day to day and drive sales. And I'm speaking about this from experience. 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I've talked about this for a while I've said that I think the Lakers should target some of the younger guys on the buyout market because number one, you're more likely to actually get those guys than a guy like a dragon, who's probably going to ring chase. He's going to and he should. Don't get me wrong, 35 years old. He should. Jump at an opportunity to win a championship. He should go to a team like in Milwaukee. His old friends in Miami, somebody like that. That's probably where he's going to land. But the Lakers are one of the teams that's in the mix. Schroeder's another guy who they are rumored to be interested in if he gets bought out. Again, I've said, I think the Lakers should go after some younger players on the market diamonds in the rough, a la say a Stanley Johnson, Austin Reeves, players like that because those are the guys you've had success with this year, but for the Lakers and Dennis Schroeder, the Lakers tried to trade for him at the deadline. And I think this is kind of important. I don't know how much of this is, the Lakers really want Dennis Schroeder compared to how much of it is, the Lakers really want to Dennis Schroeder's contract. It's a big difference here. So from Steve bullpen of heavy dot com said the Lakers offered a pair of second round picks and expiring contracts for sure. Okay, so plural expiring contracts. So think about that. The Lakers are going to the Boston Celtics and offering not just one contract, but multiple contracts for Dennis Schroeder, who's on an expiring mini mid level exception deal, taxpayer mid level. That's what he wound up getting, the market's right up and he was left with no options, really, he wound up signing on a cheap deal with the Boston Celtics, the Celtics ultimately moved him to the Houston Rockets in exchange for taking Daniel tice from them. I still think the Celtics should have got something in that trade. They absorbed a lot of salary there. But they like Daniel ties. So whatever. The Lakers in the Schroeder deal with the Celtics. The reason why they were attaching the second round picks is because what they wanted to do was free up roster spots. This was about trading away multiple guys, perhaps a Deandre Jordan Kent based more for Dennis shooter so they're all expiring contracts. They're all done at the end of the year. So as far as that goes dipping into future cap space, nothing happens. It doesn't change anything for you. But what it does is you clear a couple of spots off your books. Now the Celtics went the other way. The Celtics said we would prefer to clear roster spots ourselves so they packaged a few players with Dennis Schroeder and traded them for just one guy in Daniel Tyson. So that opened up some roster spots for them. But that's the type of move the Lakers were trying to make. They were trying to make a move for Dennis Schroeder, not necessarily just for Schroeder. I do think that they believe that he would have helped specifically because Kendrick nunn has been out all year and now he's not going to be back until the end of March. I think they could see where having another true point guard on the team that can handle the ball might have helped them a little bit and I know there's a history there with Dennis Schroeder, trust me. I understand that. But I think what the Lakers were going for was ultimately to clear up roster spots. So if Schroeder does ultimately get bought out by the Houston Rockets, I wouldn't just assume that he's a lock to become a Laker. I think that a big part of their interest in him was about freeing up those roster spots and using his expiring contract to prevent them from taking on any deals that go into next year. I think that was a big piece to this. But as it is right now, the rumors are going around that the Houston Rockets are actually not buying him out. So it may not end up mattering, but just something to keep in mind now that we got that little tidbit that the Lakers were actually trying to send out multiple contracts they're using second round picks to do it. It makes a bit more sense. Connect some of the pieces in terms of why the Lakers actually wanted Dennis Schroeder. All right, I do need to talk about Lakers versus jazz, which is tonight. And here's the thing. Here's the thing, as much as we want to break down the X's and O's of this game, it's a weird game. It's going to be a weird game because it's the last game before the all star break. Weird stuff tends to happen in these games. So as much as we want to say, oh, well, this team tends to score at this rate, and this team has this kind of defensive rating and this team plays this pace. All this stuff. The problem is you get spring break mentality, right? That's essentially what it is. Coming from an education background, I can tell you, that week before spring break, you've got kids who act a lot differently than they do during the rest of the year because everybody's looking ahead to being out on vacation, right? You've got a lot of guys like LeBron's going to go to the All-Star Game obviously, but for a lot of guys, this is an opportunity for them to finally after a long grueling season, take a little bit of time away from basketball, recharge the batteries, go on a little vacation and naturally. Guys are going to be looking ahead to that. So the biggest factor of this game. It's not even so much the X's and O's or any of that kind of stuff. It's which team is going to be focused. The Utah Jazz have won 6 in a row, the Lakers have lost three in a row, but which team is going to be locked in on winning this game and not letting the sort of trap game mentality of getting ready to hand out towards a vacation towards a rest, whatever it is they're going to do, get to them, not letting that stop them from competing at a high level on the floor. That's the biggest key to winning this game against the jazz. Now, in terms of the standings, the Lakers sitting in the 9th seed right now again the clippers did lose tonight, so as of this moment, the Lakers are a game and a half behind the clippers in the standings, the clippers in the 8 seed, the Lakers and the 9 seed and so a win against the Utah Jazz would pull them just one game back of the clippers. They do still have some games coming up. Against the clippers and they do still have two more games on the schedule against the clippers. In fact, their first game back from the all star break is against the clippers. Why does this matter? I know when we look at the Lakers and we think, oh, well, they're in the play in tournament. Who cares? 8 seed 9 scene, whatever. It's actually a very big difference. If the Lakers can move up to the 8th seed, what that means is that they only have to win one game to get into officially into the playoffs. If they are the 9 seater, the ten seed, you have to win two games in a row to get in. Again, I'll go over it real quick. The way it works is the 7 seed and the 8th seed are gonna play, whichever team wins becomes the 7 seed boom you're in the playoffs. Then the 9 seat in the ten seed play, whichever team loses they're out. They're done. Goodbye, you're going home, whichever team wins gets to play the loser of the 7 versus 8 game and whichever team wins that one becomes the 8 seat. So again, if you are the Lakers and you're currently sitting in the 9 seed, you want to move up to at least 8th to make sure that you only have to win one game rather than having to win. Two. So it is pretty important in this race between the Lakers and the clippers. It's certainly going to be one to keep an eye on. So a win against the Utah Jazz absolutely matters, but are the Lakers going to be focused on that. Now I thought the Lakers actually played very well in their last game against the Golden State Warriors. LeBron talked how before the trade deadline, they were playing in this fog and how the trade deadline talks were really getting to them. I still think that shouldn't have been a factor on a veteran team, but apparently it was. Frank Vogel talked about a new renewed energy and sure enough we saw it on the floor. Yes, LeBron James made some mistakes in the fourth quarter. Anthony Davis did as well. I know a lot of fans were frustrated with that, but overall, as a team, I felt like they played a lot harder, played with a lot more energy and we saw a lot more success for the players around LeBron James and Anthony Davis than we've seen for pretty much the entire season. So that's going to be key. Can they make that a consistent thing? Playing with that kind of energy playing with the kind of intensity that frankly is just needed to win NBA basketball games. Can you do that against the Utah Jazz? Now, assuming they've got you to Rudy Gobert out there. We're probably going to see some Dwight Howard in this game as well. Haven't seen it much lately, he's been dealing with injuries, but you're going to need him against a guy like Gobert. A lot of this, there's going to be some strain on the Lakers defense going to be really important that they get out and cover guys, Stanley Johnson, blew up the last time the Lakers played the jazz. Actually, it was a really big win. Mid January. The Lakers were able to beat the jazz, it was kind of the moment where it just cemented that Stanley Johnson is going to be a Laker for the rest of the season that he's going to get a contract. He was phenomenal in that game. So can the Lakers bring back that energy and stop the jazz 6 game winning streak it's going to take, just like against the warriors, it's going to take everybody chipping in and hopefully a better shooting performance from both LeBron James and Anthony Davis and this one, I'm going to be keeping a close eye on Russell Westbrook. Can he perform the way he did against the Golden State Warriors? Can we start to see this better version of Russ consistently and of course Taylor Horton Tucker as well? He's quietly shooting 47% from the field and 47% from three in the month of February. You know, that's a small sample size. It's only 6 games, but still can he continue shooting well and can he be a contributor out there for the Lakers. That's another thing to keep an eye on in this one. But again, like I said, it's weird circumstances. There's a lot of teams who come into this game and just don't have the focus necessary so you get some kind of funky scores out there around the NBA right around this time. So the biggest, most important thing is which team can maintain their focus and not get too into where they are going after this game. And can the Lakers get that win that they so desperately need again, they're on a three game losing streak. Hopefully they don't make it for. All right, I did say I had some sentimental stuff that I need to get into here at the end. And I put it at the end because the space. And if you're still watching at this point, we're about 30 minutes into this show just about right now. So that means that you are definitely one of the real ones, you're one of our fans and likes to watch the entire show. You stick with us through it all. You know, in doing this show, it's been a long time. I've honestly lost track. I've honestly lost track of how long that I've been doing this show for. It started as the Lakers nation podcast. It eventually evolved into the postgame show. Now I've got both of you at the podcast. We have the postgame show. And we've got all the videos on YouTube that are going up there all the time. This is gone from being something I was doing on the side while I was a teacher, and now it's something that I'm doing full time. Now, this is what I do. In addition to the front office show and a lot of other things, but somewhere along the way, I can get wrapped up in every in the day to day of it. Which can sometimes be overwhelming. I mean, look at last week with a trade deadline. How many rumors were there that were out there? And I'm on top all of them. I literally was recording stuff at three in the morning because something would come out going off very little sleep. That's just kind of the way it is. In this industry during that time of year. And sometimes I can get so focused on that stuff. That I lose sight of what it means on the other side of it. I'm talking about everybody that's out there listening. Everybody that's out there watching. And what it can mean for people because this is what really brought me into this. And this is the side of it that got me into teaching as well. When your business is starting its championship run, nothing matters more than finding and hiring the best team. Within indeed, you have the power to build a dynasty by hiring more MVPs faster. Start hiring right now with a $75 sponsored job credit to upgrade your job posts at indeed dot com slash blue wire, offer valid through March 31st. If you're hiring, you need indeed because indeed is the hiring partner where you can attract interview and hire all in one place. And indeed, is the only job site where you're guaranteed to find quality applicants that meet your must have requirements or else you don't pay. 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And I feel weird even using the word favorite, but I guess the silver lining was the way the community came together. And I got to tell you guys, I got a message from somebody on Twitter just.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Lakers Nation Podcast

Lakers Nation Podcast

07:31 min | 1 year ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Lakers Nation Podcast

"It's almost like a parent right here saying, nope. Finally, I'm not gonna help you out here. You guys said you could do this, go do it. If that's the case, will the Lakers be willing to attach enough to Russell Westbrook to get him off the roster this off season. And if not, there's going to be a domino effect. We talk about Malik monk, Lakers fans of crazy about Malik monk, he's been really good this season. It's been great. He's been an incredible find on a veteran minimum contract. How are you going to bring him back? How do you bring back Malik monk when all you have to offer is the taxpayer mid level exception going to be right around $6 million? There's going to be a lot of teams out there that are going to be able to offer a full mid level exception. Even though there's not a ton of cap space next off season, they're still going to be teams that we'll be willing to give Malik monk. Their full mid level exception, starting somewhere around 11 ish $1 million. It's going to be hard for the Lakers to compete unless they can find a taker for Russell Westbrook so they can clear up some space and feel comfortable using that full mid level exception themselves. Or if they can just take Russ and turn them into some other stuff and find something that does fit. But if they're not willing to attach anything to Russell Westbrook, I find it hard to believe even with an expiring $47 million contract that any team would really want to take on Russell Westbrook just for a season and pay him $47 million to do that. What are the Lakers going to have to take back if they're not willing to attach stop to Russell Westbrook in order to move him. Now, could this be a ploy by the Lakers? Could this be the Lakers saying, hey, look, we can't trade breasts right now because teams want a decent amount. A Ramona shelburne did mention that the price for trading Russell Westbrook away in terms of a John wall deal probably wasn't quite as high as some people are thinking, but if you're trading of anywhere else. If you're trying to free up some room to get flexibility, John hollinger recently brought up the possibility of sending him back to Oklahoma City in a trade for like a Derek favors, you attach a first, get OKC to eat some of that salary. Okay, if you're going to try to do something like that, what you need is you need to not be nearly as desperate. So the Lakers right now telling LeBron telling AD telling Russ, you guys figured out you make it work, what they've got to see is Russell Westbrook fitting in whether they decide to keep him long-term or not. And by long term, I mean just next season, whether they expect him to be in uniform next season or not. What the Lakers need, both right now in terms of winning basketball games, which is kind of important, given the fact that they're sitting in the 9th seat, they're chasing the clippers who just lost by the way to the Phoenix Suns. Thank you, Phoenix for doing what the warriors did not do last night. The warriors lost to the clippers, my goodness, warriors, come on. But in any event, the Lakers need to find a way to get the best out of Russell Westbrook right now so that at the very least your winning games and during the off season you aren't nearly as desperate. If this thing continues to sputter, if you can't get a solid performance out of Russell Weiss brook down the stretch. Teams are going to be looking at the Lakers saying, oh, you want to move Ross? Okay, how many first do you want to kick in? What are you going to give us in order to get us to take him? However, if the Lakers are looking at a situation saying, you know, we wouldn't mind some flexibility, but we don't have to do anything. LeBron, Russ, AD, they figured some stuff out down the stretch, and we think it's going to work out next season. We don't have to do anything. That's dealing from a much stronger position than, oh my gosh, we have to get rid of this guy. It's never going to work. And I think that is part of what hindered the Lakers trade deadline negotiations is everybody saw the Lakers as this desperate team. So on multiple levels, it's really important that the Lakers figure this out right now. Now part of the equation as well. Is Frank Vogel finally had taken the gloves off and benching Russell Westbrook when he's not doing what the team needs him to do out there on the floor. There has been some kind of rumbling that maybe within the Lakers organization, there's thoughts that you know what, we haven't really coached Russell Westbrook the way he needs to be coached this season and maybe you can say that's an indictment of Frank Vogel. Maybe he didn't have the authority to do this from the front office. But now we know now that he's done a multiple times. Now we know if Russ is not doing the things that Vogel's expecting him to do, there's a seat waiting for him on the bench. Perhaps that's what it's going to take for Russell Westbrook to truly change his game and truly adapt to what he needs to do in order to be successful on this team. Now it's not all on brush. You can also point to coach bogle and what he needs to do in order to get the best out of Russell Westbrook both in terms of being willing to bench him and in terms of scheme wise, making sure that he does fit in with the groups that he's on the floor with. That's certainly important as well. But if you are now in a situation where Russell Westbrook knows he is getting benched if he doesn't do the things that he is needed to do, well, maybe that is the key to getting the best out of him. I don't know. We've talked about this a lot. We've talked about how certain players star level players when they aren't quite that when they start to drop down a tier or two, or maybe more. Sometimes it takes hitting that rock bottom for them to finally understand what it is that they have to do and understand that the guy they used to be simply isn't there. And I don't know if we can make that argument about Russell Westbrook. We've seen him explode. We've seen the 35 point game against the Charlotte hornets. We've seen some nice moments from him, but not quite like he used to be. So the question is, Dwight Howard was on the cusp of being out of the NBA, right? It was adapt or you are no longer in this league. You do all the dirty work, you don't demand post ups anymore. You got a block shot sports, you got a set screens, you got to do all that stuff. Otherwise, there's no place for you in this league. Carmelo Anthony was out of the NBA. Had to prove to teams that he was going to be okay with the offense not running through him anymore. You are now a floor space, or you are now just standing behind the three point line and you're going to knock those in at a high percentage and you're going to compete on the defensive end of the floor. Those are the things that these guys had to do, Vince Carter went through a similar transformation where he had to make that adjustment to now being a role player might this finally benching Russell Westbrook sitting him down when he's not doing what you need him to do. Might that finally get rust to make the adjustments necessary to fit a different role on this Lakers team. And fingers crossed, that's what the Lakers front office is hoping for at this moment to both help them win games right now, but also help them in the off season if and when they decide to put him on the trade bloc. Now I know that's a lot about Russ and there's a lot of factors here. We're going to have to see how things play out down the stretch, but just like I've said with Taylor Horton Tucker, where you need a strong finish for him for the same reasons. You need a strong finish, both to help you win games right now and to increase his trade value during the summer, same thing with Russell Westbrook. Frankly, the Lakers are going to have a tough time leverage wise leverage perspective if you get a bad Russell Westbrook performance down the stretch here after the all star break and especially in the play tournament, perhaps in the playoffs as well. You need a solid performance out of him. You need to finally figuring things out and perhaps the only way that you're going to get that is Frank Vogel finally being empowered.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

05:21 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"The king of the trade machine as well, he should be able to create these complicated three and four team deals in a way that maybe other general managers, although most front offices at this point have someone in their front office that can create in mine interesting three and four team complicated maneuvers out of thin air. I kind of think that it makes the most sense. On the level of it makes the most sense on the court. There's a relationship between the general managers. There are two very creative minds at the helms of both of these organizations. It makes the most sense. Obviously, Mark lore and Alex Rodriguez are going to have to be in favor of it. And I feel like we don't really know what their idea of ownership is going to look like with the Timberwolves at this point. But I think I agree with you that melding now is the most it's just the most sensible thing to me. Like I can wrap my head around that one the easiest. I think, is where I'm at. Yeah. No, that to me is pretty consistently been the most natural fit. It's just, like I said, it's something in a saddle pony to change so you can get a 30 minute there so that these sixers can get more of what they want. And look, I know, I know Daryl Moore would love for dame Lillard to start off and the blazers just start off four and 8 and maybe dame the changes mind. I think you have to right now throw that out, not that it's impossible to happen. But it is, you know, there's too much that would have to happen between now and then for that to change. Yeah, like it seems like they were hoping that one of Bradley Beal or Damian Lillard would come available at some point. And like you said, it doesn't seem like that's going to happen. I think they wanted either a genuine star or they want someone to just give them all of the draft picks on Planet Earth, so that when one of those two come available, they have, if not one of the best offers, hopefully the best offer to potentially put in front of either Portland or Washington. To me, again, that makes the most sense. I talked about that with John hollinger when he was on, and we kind of broke down potential fits here. Yeah, I mean, it's a weird deal. I think any trade they make now will like they will be mindful of, hey, what happened? Do we still have the assets? Are we recouping a couple more assets along with a good player so we can pursue that down the line? I don't think I'll ever fully take their mind off of Damian Lillard because I think they think a lot of people are on a league look at it and say, look, he's fully committed now. He's probably a little more loyal than he should be. He really doesn't want to make that move or push his way out. But there's always that chance that happens, you know, and when you start looking at it, will the sixers ever have more draft picks and Oklahoma City trade? No. But they have something that Oklahoma City can offer, and that's the fact that Damian Lillard would actually want to be there and could compete for a title. So I think they look at it and they'd say, look, we're asset wise, trade talent wise, trade capital wise, we're in a pretty good spot relative to other contenders. How can we improve that spot so that if that does become available?.

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Game Theory Podcast

02:00 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"So just hold tight until then and then we'll get you fed. People call me prolific, like in terms of like what I write. I have no idea how you find the time to write the amount of things that you write. Like you're going to do 30 team previews, and they're going to get released and I'm going to be like, how in the entire fuck did he find the time to do this? It's just incredible to me. So in order to get all of the John hollinger team previews, which are all going to be absolutely incredible. Please go subscribe to the athletic shout out to all the sponsors that were on this podcast. We'll be back later next week with some.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

08:23 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"Their Sacramento first. So they're probably pretty tasty. And buddy field fits and filling, right? Really well. Really well. And Bagley, I think, is it still kind of interesting if you're a rebuilding team, which the blazers would be, the second they did a Lillard deal. So I think that part is an interesting one. So there's that. Let's talk about that thing first because I don't think that's an interesting offer at all for bed. Okay. And I think it's mostly because I think Marvin Bagley at this point is like Sekou level like salary ballast in a trade. I'm just not really interested. You would have to have a level of belief in badly that is not supported by his recent performance, let's say. I get that he was the number two overall pick, but we've seen it for three years now. He might be one of the ten works defenders in the NBA. Certainly among bigs, he's one of the ten worst offenders in the NBA. I just can't. I can't quite get there with Bagley. The king's pick's idea. I think is very true. But I think that I think I would need Davy on Mitchell. Yeah, I was gonna say how much does Mitchell sweeten the pot yeah. That would be one. I would need Mitchell in a deal for Ben Simmons. I would need it to be like Mitchell healed. You'd have to throw in Bagley and multiple firsts. There's just no. I just don't. Yeah. You could actually throw in Tristan Thompson instead of Bagley if you wanted. I don't. I don't. I'm sure rich ball would be real happy about that too, getting one client getting at least one client out of send in one back that way. That would be great. Today's episode of the game theory podcast is sponsored by the NBA and their quest to advance the game of basketball. Grow the community and impact culture. The league celebrates its teams, players and fans across the past present and future as part of the 75th anniversary season. That's game highlights pivotal moments on court and beyond from iconic plays in arenas to the high impact players have in the community. That's the NBA. That's game. Think about it like when max stress got that tip off at the end of the second overtime in summer league. He just got the ball, he took like 6 dribbles up. He took a shot, ball went through the hoop. He did his true strut as Matt Benny likes to say, and he called game. That's the NBA. That's game. This is more than just basketball. It's what connects us all and keeps us coming back for more. That's the NBA that's game. Today's episode is sponsored by the NBA and their quest to advance the game a basketball grow the community and impact culture. The league celebrates its teams, players and fans across the past present and future as part of the 75th anniversary season. That's game highlights pivotal moments on court and beyond from iconic plays in arenas to the impact players have in communities. That's the NBA. That's game. It's like game 5 of the NBA Finals where I was lucky enough to be there, buck sons in Milwaukee. I'm sitting kitty corner from Giannis out of the Cuomo as he rises up for that incredible alley of drew holiday having stolen the ball from Devin Booker on the other side. I found Yanis in transition, incredible stuff. That's the NBA. That's game. This is more than just basketball. It's what connects us all and keeps us coming back for more. That's the NBA that's game. The one that stood out to me the whole time was Minnesota, but I think that your point about making the move that makes you still in the ballpark for Lillard. Makes a Minnesota deal less interesting. And I think it's actually something I really agree with you on that making the deal that makes it possible to stay in the game for a Lillard is the most important move now. And I don't know if Minnesota doing something like Malik Beasley D'angelo Russell, Jaden McDaniels in like a couple of firsts. I don't know if that keeps them in the game for a Lillard. Yeah, and it makes them really expensive too. You know, you'd almost rather not have Russell in the deal because I don't know how Russell does Russell really help you in a Lillard trade? No, I don't think he helps you at all in a Lillard deal. Unless there are delusional they were still gonna win. We're not taking, you know. Which I don't put it past Neil will say, I don't think. That could be his thing. I mean, there has never been a point I feel like where he has really actively tried to dismantle it, but then Abby, but there was when they reset after Lamarcus left in west Matthew's tour as Achilles, and they did actually reset. And they just did it quickly enough that they ended up making the playoffs even though they didn't expect to. So I don't I don't see a like delusional fake rebuild type scenario happening there. I think if they I think if they look a little deal happens, they're busting out the dynamite. I would hope so, especially given that nurkic has one year left on that deal, CJ McCollum would still have value. League wide, I think at the very least. I would just hope that they do blow it up. So you would almost rather go, would you rather have Beverly in that deal than Russell? Yeah, I mean, you could put Beverly or a prince as your salary ballast with Beasley and McDaniels, right? And you get to the number you need to write, that's still probably not enough, isn't it? You need those T wolves first and just counting on the T wolves, T wolves and things up and adding value to your first that way. The thing that would worry me about the tea wolves just like tea wolves and things up is that I think that team would actually be really good if they had Ben Simmons because he's the perfect piece. Yeah. Totally, yeah. You end up with Edwards towns Russell and yeah, that's I mean, that's pretty good because they're shooting around him, his defense helps, you know, the fact that nobody else there plays any defense and you just need one or two other things at that point and you're pretty good. Yeah, like the Ben Simmons as like a connective piece between Anthony Edwards and Carl towns. You could run like four or 5 or 5 four ball screening action with towns and Simmons. You could run like towns as a wing floor spacer for like Edward Simmons screening actions. There are just so many different ways to run that offense at that point. Plus, you would get the perfect complement for Carl Anthony towns defensively at that point. I mean, that's a Minnesota. I understand why it seems like they're trying to pull out all the stops to get Ben Simmons because that is the player that is on the market right now that I think they should be chasing. Yeah. Is there like who are the other teams that you see as pretty interesting here? You know, could Indiana get in this? I've been kind of sneaky one during about them for a little while. Because they kind of need to do.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

07:44 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"Back. So Ben Simmons, I would say is something like just given all of the defensive value that he brings to the table, given the transition driving ability, given the passing ability, I would say he is still a top 30 player in the NBA. I think I would be comfortable saying 30. Where do you kind of sit with him in the hierarchy of players? I would say that's probably about right. I would say he has more regular season value than playoff value. Which, I mean, for some teams, that's actually the thing that matters more. You know, if you're just fighting to get into the playoffs, yeah, then Ben Simms can really help you do that. He might disappoint you a little once you actually get there, but getting there is half the battle. And I think that there is a case and we'll talk about that depending on the situation that Ben could be good in the right playoff situation. It's just that's not Philadelphia, given the presence of Joel embiid at this point. So. What has Ben Simmons is trade value in your opinion because we've heard Daryl morey come out and talk about looking for Daryl more he hasn't come out, but reports about their all have come out. I shouldn't characterize it as being from Daryl. Reports about what there are more is looking for have come out and said that he is, he wants like four first round picks and wants a player, like he wants the world for Ben Simmons. Do we think that there is a chance that he could get the kind of value that he is searching for? No. And I mean, just knowing how the rockets operated when he was there, like I'm not surprised by this. Because their history is they do end up making a ton of trades. But they, a lot of times, we'll start at something really out there and then slowly reel themselves back in. And so I think that's what they started at here is just as for the moon go fishing for suckers, see if there's any out there. And then I think once reality hits that that is in happening now comes the real challenge. I think also one of the reasons they felt like they could do that is because they thought Lillard might come available at some point. Right. You know, so they were just, you know, it was almost a stalling for time tactic. And now that isn't available to them and we're a lot closer to the season and there's more threat that, you know, Simmons is talking about actually not showing up for camp, which, you know, the sixers can win enough's regular season games, probably, you know, as long as in beats healthy, that it's not a massive deal for them, but it's just it gets so much harder to do trades once the season starts, especially if teams have to piece together like four contracts because then you talk about you have to cut people. You can only have 15 on the active roster. Like it just becomes much more of a challenge. So I do think this is business they want done not necessarily by the time camp starts although that I think that would be helpful for them, but certainly that the time the regular by the time the roster cut down happens. Yeah, it feels that way to me as well. I guess that there's been reporting from ESPN. I think Brian windhorse I saw a video of it with him saying that sixers management with Josh Harris flew to the Los Angeles area where Simmons is and met with Simmons and rich Paul and some of the other parties involved in this. And basically they were hoping that would be willing to report to training camp in order to help facilitate this thing and Ben was just like it's not my job to help raise my trade value at this point. When you hear something like that as a former NBA executive, what are your thoughts on just the Ben Simmons? It's not my job to raise my trade value. Yeah, like, well, it is and once the off season happens, yeah, that's technically true, but there's a part of you that's like, well, you could have you could have done a little bit more to raise your trade value in the games or happening, but bygones, I guess. I understand where he's coming from a little bit. It actually helps his next team more if his trade value is low. So, you know, other than the fact that he wants to be out of there. Whatever gets him out of there with the least amount going to back to the sixers is actually the most helpful thing for him. So his incentives are actually very different than the sixers. Yeah, I think that that's always really important in these conversations. And to be honest, I kind of agree with Ben like it is not his job to raise his own trade value. At the end of the day, he could have done more during the season. I totally agree with you there. But like, look, these games aren't happening. I don't think that I think that most NBA executives are much like you and I and saying, no matter how many Ben Simmons, jump shot videos from training come out like nobody's going to believe it until they see it. Yeah, totally. Like no one's gonna be like, oh my God, Ben just made ten straight threes in a workout. We have to believe in his jump shot going forward. So I think that's reasonable, and I think that Ben kind of made that case more in regard to if I report the training camp and play for a couple of games like in the regular season like could that help my trade value? Look, I think that this is going to be the second podcast where I referenced this. But I think Gwyneth Paltrow Chris Martin style conscious uncoupling is probably the probably the best move going forward for this pairing, right? Who gets Apple? Who is the apple in this tyrese maxima? Yes. Let's move to actual offers. Sure. Who do you think has the best offer on the table right now? In your opinion, not in terms of what the actual offer is because we don't know for sure what the actual offers are necessarily. But in the when building an offer, what offer makes the most sense to you? I think the thing for Philly is that if you can't get Lillard, can you get the pieces that let you get Lillard later and can you get those pieces without submarining the team you have now? And I wonder because of that if Sacramento is gonna be the best one. Where you could do something with healed Bagley and multiple firsts and.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

08:06 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"Your Samsung we are presented by the athletic. Today on the show, the man mourning the end of the Marc Gasol era in the NBA. It's John hollinger, our dear friend from over at the athletic, the senior writer who writes about literally everything that happens in the NBA. I feel like John, how you doing, man. Good morning, mate. I'm doing great. I'm not a 100% sure that this is the absolute end, I guess we'll see what happens. He's definitely going to be chilling in Spain for a while, though. Yeah, it's funny. I think that Mark had an underrated year last year with Los Angeles like I didn't certainly the Lakers underrated it. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I didn't understand why they didn't play him more, maybe mark's body didn't allow for him to play more. I don't necessarily have an answer there. Maybe there's something I'm missing. And look, I think that he certainly is something of a defensive question mark at this point. Just in regard to mobility, but he is so good offensively just due to decision making and shooting that there's still a role for him if he wants it. It's a minimum contract worth it for market at this point, given how much money he's made and given his legacy. Yeah, no, I think the most logical thing for him to do is. Hang out for now, gross some awesome vegetables, maybe work out with pal and Barcelona, you know, run his, you know, he's got his own team that he's putting together in girona. And stay in shape and then, you know, what a lot of these veterans do. I mean, JJ Redick's doing the same thing, right? It's like, I'm not going to sign anything now. Let me see. Let me see how things are going in January. You can see if I can latch onto a contender in a role and then I'll come out of my shell. Yeah, I kind of love that move. I think that's really, really smart for Gasol, and if it is the end, I hope that he gets the recognition that he deserves. I mean, proverbial gun to your head. Is Marcus all Hall of Famer? So let's acknowledge that I'm extremely pious time this. I think probably yes. I mean, he was a first team all NBA player. Pretty important international contributions for Spain. Defensive player of the year, multiple all star, I would say that's a resume that doesn't make you a shoo in, but probably makes you more likely than not to get in. Yeah, to all NBA selections like you said a defensive player of the year award funny quirk was that he was second team all defense in the year that you won the defensive player of the year award, which was bizarre in many ways. Three time NBA all star obviously won a title in 2019 as a starting center with the Toronto Raptors. And like John said, just incredible international contributions to the NBA. Also, I mean, just unbelievable hair when he was playing with Verona. If you go to his Wikipedia page I just phenomenal flow on his hair, which has to be respected. I think, in some ways, for his Hall of Fame case. Or envied in my case. John, I'm right behind you on that. Milk it while you got it, man. I'm hanging on, but get that get that Mohawk right now because in a couple years, it's over baby. Oh man, it's funny, like my dad has had thinning hair for like the last 30 years that he's just kind of stayed the same and just continued to thin out. I'm hoping for that graceful transition, but I don't know, man. It feels like it's going pretty quick. It feels like it's going to end for me in a hurry and I'll be on that ball bandwagon with you soon. Shaved or bald is that what we're going with in your case, John. Well, I can yeah, I mean, it's basically bald, yeah. I mean, you can say, oh, I shaved it, so you can't tell. But like, yeah, there's nothing there. Yeah. I'm going to be right there with you, but this is not a Marc Gasol retrospective podcast as much as I'm sure you would enjoy that. This is a Ben Simmons podcast. We are gonna kind of break down everything that has to do with what is going on with Ben Simmons in Philadelphia because it is by far the biggest domino that is still left to fall before this upcoming NBA season. I think that that's absolutely correct, right, John. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Because, you know, people thought maybe there'd be a Lillard domino or a Beal domino. There's just not. And that domino may come into play as the season goes on, especially if those teams disappoint. But right now it's just not something that's in play. Yeah, that's the impression I get as well and certainly all of the public posturing says that. I think is fair to say from Tommy shepherd and niobe. So Ben is the biggest player left on the board. And I think in some ways that helps Philadelphia and I think in some ways it makes it less likely that an easy trade comes to the fore given that there are more is involved here and that Daryl is someone who will certainly hold out for the best deal. But before we kind of get into the machinations of what has been Simmons overall value, I think it's just worth defining what Ben Simmons is as a player at this point. And it's an obviously very tricky conversation. He is one of the let's say 5 best defenders in the NBA, maybe one of the best two to three best defenders in the NBA. I kind of think that I've kind of said this for a little while. I talked about it on the podcast last year with Derek bodner. I thought that Joel embiid when he was on the court was Philadelphia's best defensive player last year. I thought that he was certainly their most important. He protects the ram in such a ridiculous way. He's one of the few guys that can actually completely shut down the paint when playing a drop coverage scheme. Where do you kind of fall on the Joel versus Ben, you know, defensive value thing? Because I think they're very complimentary. And they certainly help each other's value, but I kind of just think that Joelle's ability on the interior is more valuable than what Ben brings. I mean, it sort of depends on I mean, it's so situational, right? Because you're asking me to do completely different things. And it depends on who the opponent is, too, because if you're, I think if you're playing against an opponent who is must switch, then you much rather have Ben Simmons and Joel embiid. But if you can play Joel embiid in a drop, yeah. I mean, he's gonna be awesome. So and having that guy who can just eliminate the paint or come close to it at least, yeah, then he does have more value. So pardon my non answer here, but it's so situational between them. And I think it's a hard day. I mean, the one thing we see with Ben Simmons is that the playoffs, right? They increase his defensive value, but man do they truck as offensive value? So yeah, let's talk about Ben in the regular season first and then in the playoffs. So in the regular season, Ben is something like a top 5 defender in the NBA. He has made an all NBA team on the third team in 2020. Obviously.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

05:36 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"I mean, we all know about defense, but even on offense, like, there were times CJ show up times. You wouldn't, I just think that the Ben Simmons swap off seajay. Just makes so much sense for both sides. Like, even in Philly for CJ, there are enough guys there to hide his deficiencies on defense, and he can just kind of be the guy. He's always wanted to be in late games. Like, obviously have to share the load with indeed, but he's the perimeter guy and maybe that takes them to another level. I agree with you, somebody told me when I offered that they're like you haven't CJ's 29th. Like silly is trying to win. Now, this isn't like, you have to go for this and it, if CJ's, the best player you can get, which I think is like I think that's your player. Like, I think John Hollinger throughout Levine today. I thought I would put them in similar to your make a living at the top of that. T r, i don't think. Anyway, Chicago would trade Levine I don't and also I don't, that's Chicago team would score. What twenty points, a game that would be off this team. Like I don't, I don't know man. I don't know why they would why they would want to do that, but I got, I got understood John's logic. But yeah, I just I think the Portland Philly Trader, Joe's. I mean people have been shouting, it makes so much sense but I think CJ is absolutely the cut off for the type of tear player you can get for been at this point in time. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like that's probably the highest you could go. No, I think it's interesting. And I've been trying to figure out like is there a package of players where like 4 a.m. Philadelphia because ultimately Philadelphia holds cars here, right? They have to say, yes we're trading. Ben Simmons. Is there a package of players that makes more sense than CJ? And I think that song like if they could get from Minnesota D'Angelo Russell, Jaden McDaniels in like a pick or something. I like that. That's interesting to me because like Army like wage, I would take Jaden, McDaniels based off of what we saw like something, you know, like as a top ten pick in this draft. I think Jaden was incredible this year on defense. He knocked down spot shots with a shot, 36% from 3. Like looks like a more of a big way, you know player, not as good defensively as Matisse duyvil, but more of a two-way guy off then Matisse, which I think is really valuable for them as they close lineups. So you're not only getting D'Angelo Russell, you're getting another guy that I think it can play a role. On a playoff team next year, who is only twenty years old and like that deal under a rookie contract. For three years in on the Minnesota side, you pair Anthony Edwards and Carl pounds. With Ben Simmons, where Karl towns is like the perfect fit offensively for been because of the way he space. Is it, you know, high volume three, point shooter, whereas Joelle is more of a game. I don't want to say like a fake 3-point shooter, but not necessarily a guy that gets respect out there, everyone kind of crowds the paint against him, you absolutely have to respect, whatever Karl towns is doing away from the basket off, and I think that Ben would really help kind of take the work load off of, you know, Anthony Edwards as he's young and kind of continues to develop and then on top of it, Chris Finch is their coach..

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

05:54 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

"Murray had the it was only the fourth game seven. Nba his first since nineteen sixty five. Where both teams scored more than sixty points at halftime. This is a huge offensive game and there was a little drought for the clippers. Right at the start of the third and bo bond really got going again during that period in dallas. Getting up to that lead of any one seventy six and then they just basically couldn't score forever. I mean it was harvey class by the rhinos. Twenty one to two. It was like thirty four six. I want to say at one point. I don't think it was that attorney but it was. It was a lot. It wasn't that bad. But i don't recall that we've set it at all during the course of this section on. This game is the second best player on the clippers. paul george. It was a strange game for him as has happened. Sometimes in big ones he had he did end up with ten assists but also had four turnovers some of the mind bending variety and i would argue just as it wasn't game six that the best things. Paul george did were getting to the free throw line with the times when he was a little bit. More aggressive gauss. I thought a couple of the fouls were a little bit charitable. But most of the time. I thought they were pretty reasonable in so. Pg ended up with twenty two points on twenty shooting possessions with four turnovers and tennis cysts was bigger. He's always going to have these ball handling floods. That are gonna look really bad but he was all in this game. He was guarding porzingus. Most of the time. And that's you know people say well why was trust. Outsourcing is not more involved offensively. Well because he had paul john and so if you ran a pick and roll with him and luca then they're just going to switch paul. George gianluca like at least like the clippers did have to burn their second best defender and actually they burned kawhi leonard early in the series on porzingas and that i think was actually a big mistake. Lou So yeah we'll do preview at some point here of clippers in utah. But i do. I do have a hot take right now. I think the clippers might be my favorite to win the championship right now just to leave that out there. We'll we'll talk more awesome training to predict anything yet with the amount of times the amount of times that i got things wrong but we have to. I mean i think the only thing i got right was thinking that the clippers were gonna win game seven after the first six games happened and i guess my overall series prediction was six so that wasn't too far off but the the way. This series ebbed and flowed. Yeah well i i i mean. I didn't think that the clippers would win the series once. They went down two zero or two. But i certainly felt like they had a very good shot at it. And so that's right. Baby my faith in the clippers is never wavered. And nor should it okay. Let's let's talk about the last game of the day here and we'll talk more. We're already at the hour mark here in terms of recording time. So we've got more time to talk about the mavs offseason as well. They've got some questions. But the one thing i would say to is. If the dallas mavericks had just drawn basically. That was the other thing i wanted to say. Howdy got completely screwed basketball history better than i do but somebody who. I can't think of anybody who has elevated my belief in their playoff ability more in two playoff series that his team lost both of than him. Like i know. Michael jordan had the had the crazy one at sixty three in the garden that was his second playoffs against that was an there and that was a sweep. I like you would remember that series and eighty five against the bucks better than i would. Yeah but so. What about luke about fan. How how that he what he was able to accomplish in these series against a game. Dangerous opponent and being the alpha and omega for their offense is phenomenal. Why it's it is a it is a funeral but it is a biking funeral for luka doncic in these playoffs. Yeah i mean really what. This mavs team was like very similar to two thousand eighteen cleveland. Where you've kind of got like this shooting big as your second best player kyrie is gone already for that team. You just got this heliocentric. I and you've got shooting around him. But those cleveland teams never had to play in the eastern conference a team the quality of this clippers team by any stretch of imagination. And now it's a great accomplishment to get as far as he did but you also have to wonder you know especially being in the west. How far can this luca versus with a bunch of shooters strategy. Really take them and they tried to get better defensively this year. It didn't work in this series. They got completely destroyed to the point that they had to do this. Bogan zone thing to keep up offensively. That's enough on them. Let us now get to what john hollinger called the drunken last five minutes of a game. He could remember in a long time but that that last five minutes. We'll talk about it. But i think it is ancillary. So let's talk about the middle of the game here and obviously it begins with the injuries joel. Embiid was questionable. He played he looked very good offensively although he did come down a little awkwardly going for an offensive rebound and kinda anyways i some rubbing his knee on the bench but also he completely dominated inside even after he he had done that so he looked like fine at least on offense and then on the other side of things deondraye hunter who i thought would be a key factor both as a floor spacer on one end and the guy who's going to guard tobias harris on the other end. He's got a week off and he can't play with the sourani. that is obviously troubled in malaya. They got him ready for that. Nick series there is no real problem. It seemed like you played while he was very good in the closeout game. And now he's out and you have to imagine if they couldn't get him right with a week off that i mean okay. Maybe they can get them right for like one game. And then he's gonna swap play again. But i mean it's hard to imagine he can be a factor in this series at this point going forward so you felt like at the game like played thirty minutes a game he played in. He didn't play a ton.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

03:58 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"It feels important that we still can rely on the Kings to provide us with just High Comedy Off the court. Yeah, it's it's rough, you know, and and it's weird, you know, cuz there's the whole bogdanovich thing to still lingering from this summer. And if you I don't know if you read that off interview with our Sam amick, but like it's that that didn't seem great either when he described that process. So a lot of weird things happening over in Sac, you know, my greatest failing is an executive though was not getting my dad to to tweet out Personnel moves. Yeah. I'm going to create a Twitter account for my dad and whenever I inevitably leave the athletic, I love the athletic. I'm not planning on leaving anytime soon. Please sign me for a decade athletic whenever I inevitably you end up departing. I'm just going to start with a series of tweets from my father saying trade me Trenton trade me to CBS Sports. I want to go home. Back, yeah, well knowable lamelo ball has caught on a lot quicker than what I thought like I had him at number one. I thought he was clearly the highest upside player. I thought that it would take some time though wage is quickly figuring out NBA basketball though, like in a way that I did not anticipate. Yeah, and that's been nice to see and I think I'll go to both Charlotte and soda for bringing these guys off the bench despite how highly picked they were and just letting them evolve on their own terms. And I think that's much easier than doing what Detroit did which is you start killing Hayes right away and then you inevitably hit a point where you have to walk around and bring him off the bench and it feels like a demotion and it just it just seems a more organic way to let these guys grow and develop their games. Yeah, either killing and has thing kind of sucks. He is not been very good so far. He does not look ready for the NBA and look with Killian. It's worth mentioning that he was a turnover-prone like somewhat mess early in the season last year for all in Germany and he settled down and got better throughout the season and figured some things out in terms of the The speed of the game so I wouldn't jump ship with Killian has yet is all I'm saying like do you agree with that or you just like out on what you've seen so far? I you can't jump all the way out based on seven games when he's nineteen years old. So I I am certainly reflecting on where I had him on my Dash board and and questioned whether I was overly optimistic but it's it's way too early to jump ship. Yeah, I agree is is there any other rookie that's wrong stood out for you. Let's just finish with that question another rookie who has really stood out for me. I mean, I guess we talked about quickly. I mean Desmond Bane has been who we thought Desmond was. Yeah, I think no, I'm sorry. I'll give you guys the guy who's who is surprised me is well a little bit. He actually he looked better in preseason than he has in the regular season. I'm not going to say Mallet on just cuz he's a second-round pick and he said sure no still really young the the fact that he's been able to kind of come in there right away and look look, you know dead. Do it do it. Do a pretty good impersonation of an NBA point guard so far and and really been on the ball the whole time. You know, you're made money on tape has been pretty good Jay Sean. Not not only from the last year but from Ohio State as well. Just all-around..

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

05:29 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"Yeah, so it's hard if you're counting on basically a core group of six guys and two of them forget how to play basketball season, then you're really up the creek a little bit right like siakam and and Norman Powell. It's just like the monstars stole their talent, right? They they just haven't been able to get it done teams have had a lot of success putting smaller Defenders on siakam this year and he is a good story about Jonathan Turks and the ringer on that and you saw it against Boston last night and how oh my goodness. I mean checks in and the first thing he does is take a contested 18-foot floater over. Who do you who he was trying to shoot over Tristan Thompson. I want to say like like the shot had no, I'm sorry was timelord. It was trying to shoot over like the shot had no chance at all. And you know, it was like early clock. We it was it was just like what time? We doing here like what's going on? I think they also were counting on more from Aron Baynes and he's not giving them anything who is for your money the best team in the NBA right now, so not necessarily who the best team is going to be but who is playing the best right now? Who's playing the best right now? I would say Philadelphia has a case. I mean, they've come out really strong. They it's funny. I watch their first game against watched it like they didn't play well and they just kind of picked it out but their games since then have been pretty good. I think their lineup is obviously much more coherent. So I I think Philadelphia this is a very believable start by asking them where if you told me right now this is going to be a team that finishes in the top three in the East I go. Okay like yeah. Sure. I'll buy that who is the worst team in the NBA right now? Wow, there are some bad ones at the bottom right now, you know as much as everyone wants to line up and dunk on the Pistons. I actually think the t-wolves look God awful, especially with Townes being out like for as long as Karl towns is out. They are the worst team. I think that's clear. I just don't see a world where they defend at any point this year. Right?.

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

03:15 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"And I think that they're fine now like I think that they're probably could make the playoffs with Stephen Dre along with Andrew Wiggins and Kelly oubre and James Wiseman. Tell me I'm wrong. I think they're going to need fortunate Health to pull that off. So do we have any faith in Andrew Wiggins and Kelly oubre or do we think that like Draymond Green is just going to continue screaming into the void at them. Like do think that there are picking up any of what you're is saying or do we think he is literally just screaming into the void because last night he was just like waving and screaming and yelling for them to run offense and they were just like standing there and they've actually have I'm voting for the void on Wiggins. I'm all in on the void Uber a I could be convinced otherwise, oh my God. I just don't even know what to do. Like, there's so much talent. They're like, why is why is it that these wings from Kansas? Can't figure it out. What's going on? Yeah. Yeah, Kansas Wing disease. We need to study that. Yeah. Were you in Memphis with Josh Selby? Although Josh Selby was six one, but he played more. Like a wing shots lb was so I was only for about trying to think we see the first player we traded was he in that box in that Spades trade. He might have been I think he was so yeah, we very very briefly ships ships in the night and loved it off. What other night around 4. I was not around for his Summer League MVP campaign. So I missed all of that. So you ruined Josh Selby Square just say it that's fine. I this is this is all your fault. Yeah, it's it's a but blaming the Denver Nuggets are two and for what's happening with Denver. I think they played. Teams, but haven't looked totally like I'm so used to them having a good bench that that leaves them when they come in that's been a little jarring to me to see their second unit struggle most nights. They're also getting lid on defense and I don't know where to really pinpoint that well the thing that's like stood out to me is I I just looked at box scores with Denver cuz again, I will catch up on them at some point this week, but I haven't yet and it seems like Nikola jokic is just like eviscerating everyone in the NBA right now. Like he's absolutely just murdering whatever opposing defense is put in front of him. And the fact that there are still two and four seems bad like it seems like the Jamal Murray bubble leapt did not necessarily carry over to the regular season so far. Yeah, his first couple of games weren't great..

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

03:47 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"But I don't think you're too worried. Other than that one with one glaring exception of a game. I think you're pretty pleased with that things are going the way that feels the most disappointing statistically to me is Portland because yeah, they're three and three but they made a lot of moves this year to improve the defense and just looking at the numbers the defense looks like it's not improved what's going on with Portland right now. I think two things are happening one when you change your scheme, and when you have all the same players that can be really hard and I think people underestimate how how difficult that could be sometimes early in the season. And so it's a real test for poor figure out what works and what doesn't work with this personnel. And the the other thing that I do see is if you're talking about your commitment to being a defense team and you're playing as Cantor and Carmelo Anthony 20 minutes at the same time, like sorry, you're you're not committed to being a defensive team. You're not the thing with mellow is is just getting a little nutty off. You know, he's playing more than Gary Trent and he's they're running all these post-ups for him to shoot too is it's like, okay, you know, that was fine when the alternative was Anthony Tolliver, but like now that you now that you have a real team, that's true. 10:00 for something like carmel's got P like ninth man. Like I'm sorry, like that's where he is in his career right now and they're still they're still acting like he's a star and and I think that's hurting them. And then the other factor is they need no kids to be nurkic man, and it's just hasn't happened so far. Yeah, the Gary Trent minutes are interesting because he's playing like nine minutes a game less than Derrick Jones jr. Which like look I was screaming from the rooftops like signed off Jones to the mid-level. Like I thought that that was a smart move for a team that needed athleticism and I liked it for Portland to take that shot. But like Gary Trent is a lot better than Derek Jones like I'm sorry. What are we what are we doing here? Like actually benefit to it shouldn't even It shouldn't even be an either-or because I think their best option is to play Derek Jones. Is there backup 5, I think that's how they should try to line up rather than sending in as cancer out there to get cook Thursday night and but they haven't seen willing to try that. Yeah, that's that's very weird to me. They I've seen some like clamoring for Harry Giles them as well, which is also in genetic. He had a good yeah, he had a good pre-season. I don't like whatever ails them on defense. Harry Giles is not curing it. I know I I feel pretty I feel pretty good about that. Yeah, he was absolutely terrible for the Kings on defense every single time. He stepped on the floor really good offensive player, like really skilled and a great passer and can like really has a high level of IQ on that on that side of the floor. But yeah defense is not going to be a thing for him. The warriors were really fun for me to ride the wave. Because as soon as they put in Michael Mohler as a defensive stopper against Chris Middleton, that's when I realized. Oh, yeah, this this is probably not going to work for them sensibly while Draymond Green is out. And then as soon as he came back, it was just like night and day like their defense is so much better..

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

04:47 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"Code the athletic at Sunday scaries, That's 25% off your first order at Sunday scaries off by entering code the athletic all one word where it asks for a coupon on the checkout page find out what product might be best for you go to Sunday scaries off and use code the athletic. We'll talk about the rookies at the end cuz I think that that's an interesting one. I want to ask you about like some of the ones that have stood out but let's go to the website real quick. I think that basically the last team I've seen a decent amount of that we'll talk about here is the sun's the Saugus look very good. Like I think they're actually pretty legitimate. They look legitimately good. Yes. Yeah. I I completely agree with you and you it's another one where it's not quite on the next level, but you're you're sort of wondering like how can Robert Sarver screw this up? Like what's what's the move here? I thought they made a good save to bring back Kaminsky as another big when I saw Jalen Smith and preseason. I didn't really think he was just he was ready for that kind of role and that, you know, they're starting lineups good Bridges I think is an all defensive player this year Cameron Johnson's off to a really good job. Art, so I I just think it's it's just a good solid team. Now, is that a top-four team in the west at the end of the day? Probably not but I mean they are certainly a playoff team the way the way they've looked I think without any doubt. Yeah, like just adding Chris Paul really has added that extra level of basketball. Like you said, it's not even that Chris Paul is dominating statistically, right? Like he's averaging eight assists per game and he's been pretty efficient as a player overall. He's not like making a ton of shots yet, but wage he is just kind of added that little extra competence to the team and that little extra competence. It feels like is permeating in a way where the players are all in the right positions constantly and that's something that's a little bit different for this team..

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

02:21 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"Like they were abject Lee atrocious in the minutes that tray was not on the court when trade was on the court with the young kids. Like I feel like they were and by the kids, I mean like Collins Hunter reddish they were actually like pretty good offensively from what I remember. So, yeah, and and then they were disaster bad defensively with the trade lineups and Esther bad offensively in the non-trade lineups, and they have just enough now where that hasn't happened. Yep. The one thing about the damage being there and and I mean hurt herself with this too. But when Trey comes out they play bogdanovich and hurt her and they have kind of two ball-handlers out there. You know, Rhonda has been out. So Brandon good ones played some of those minutes to but there's enough shot creation out there where it's not just a horrific mess and wage, you know DeAndre bembry going one on V and whatever they had last year. I've had two separate people also text me like what is an eight-night in that he really looks very good night was awesome against the Grizzlies. He was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah to to the point that like when he didn't play the next game like, you know fans are like messaging Chris kirschner like what is going on fire everybody then like Nathan night saying, okay. Look if we need to back off the touch. Okay, I think that's as far as I want to go home. Is I'm going to dive deeper into like the Sixers and Pacers and I think the Celtics cuz there another team that I've watched once this season. They they look they look like enthusiastic to me. I'm less enthusiastic about them. Maybe let's I am I am too. I think they're they're bench is a real problem. Yeah and can campus needs, you know, it's only exacerbating that they they hit on Peyton Pritchard. Like he's that that's going to work out but they also I mean the early Returns on Nesmith aren't great. So it's kind of like, okay, Well you kind of need to hit on both of them cuz you signed a center instead of signing any backup perimeter players. So so they're in a tight spot..

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

03:53 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"You can give the ball to he can drive in a straight line. He can create his own shot off the pull up in the mid-range and that you hope that that can extend out to three additionally. He's just a really underrated actor as well. I've always really liked his passing ability throughout the course of his career. So if you compare him with quickly who has a really good, you know, slashing floater game who moves really well off. All who can obviously shoot the ball from distance and make positive decisions. Hopefully hopefully while being six-foot-three with like a six foot ten wingspan the idea of their faith, it works really really well together. So I'm excited to see that part of it. I think for the Knicks like this roster is a lot more cogently put together, I guess wage then live in the past a little more. I mean, they're still starting random ferret Mitchell Robinson and elfrid Payton at the same airport. I mean, let's let's not get carried away, but it makes it makes a bit more sense than it did. Well, I feel like maybe this is where the Thibodaux of it comes in because Thibodaux has at least put them in positions to where they're not like them like actively looking terrible. Right and I realized that I didn't watch the game last night as I'm looking through the numbers. I'm looking through the I'm realizing that it's the Pacers game. I watched so the Synergy gods did not treat me well in that respect. So the last email and ask you about is the team that's in your neck of the woods. The Atlanta Hawks shocks started really really well and I you know had just not watched enough hockey games to really get enthused but God what's going on in Atlanta. Is it just that the addition of veterans who's really helped or is it that these younger guys are taking a leap off what's happening? Cuz I just don't know. So basically all three agents they signed haven't done squat Gallinari and Rondo have hardly played and bath damage has played but he hasn't really done much on the court. And so what's happened instead is that last year's team plus capella is dead. Been significantly better than than last year's team. Now part of that is just I mean it was one of the things I wrote in Atlanta's preview, like replacing a normal center with Clint capela doesn't really Advance the ball that month placing Damian Jones with Clint capela like that. That is okay. Like that's worth several games over the course of the season. The other big development is DeAndre Hunter game is one of the most improved second-year players in the league you shooting the ball. Well, he's showing a lot more wiggle off the dribble getting to the rim hesitation moves with either hand. Like if you just did last year, he was just like very robotic straight-line same speed type of player and he's mixing it up a lot more and it's working and so I would say that's been a big thing in their favor. Kevin huerter has been better. They're so they're second in the NBA in offensive efficiency and even with Trager Last year they were I forget what they were they were it began with a two and but it wasn't second. It was worth a like 28 or something twenty twenty six I have here. Yeah that bad really bad. And now this year they're they're really good. So their you know, their defense is whatever but if you're going to score like they are then you can make the playoffs with whatever defense G. Well a lot of it last year too was more the minutes that trade didn't play too..

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"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

Game Theory Podcast

05:56 min | 2 years ago

"john hollinger" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast

"You know Forbes connaughton August in like that's okay like it gets it gets you buy if you also have Yiannis Middleton and holiday on your team, but it's it's certainly not a strength. But again, you get to the playoffs they're going to be counting on those five main guys and hopefully, you know, they'll play more than thirty minutes a game this year. Yeah. I mean that's always going to be the question is Jake. How does boot and holes are adjust and how does he Dole out the minutes in the playoffs right? Like he needs to actually just get past that at some point and be willing to play guys 40 minutes and not yeah, actually I speaking think that they're okay Dept was like at least in terms of what it says on paper they could use another defensive option. I think of like, I'm still trying to figure out why Torrey Craig has only played two games and again, like having not really watch them that is difficult for me. That's yeah that that that one's a little weird. I thought they would have him more in the mix right from the get-go just to have that option in their bag. I mean, they they love having all those three point shooters out there. He's a tough guy to play with Yiannis, but I thought he'd be playing the non Yiannis months as a defensive stopper. Yeah, and I think that you can like pair him at the hip with Bryn Forbes and DJ Agustin, right and he he can provide the defense that those two really don't and Ed. Actually kind of sneaky really like Bryn Forbes. I think he's a good NBA player who's a perfect fit in the scheme. So I think Milwaukee's going to be okay depth-wise, but I'm excited to dig more into them going forward that one of the other teams like I watched the Knicks last night, they looked surprisingly competent. I've watched like one other Knicks game too and felt like they looked surprisingly competent. It's crazy that like just bringing in Tom Thibodeau basically has resulted in this enormous leap of no longer looking, inept right like yeah. Yeah. Sure Reggie Bullock wore the wrong number and it probably wasn't even Reggie swallowed. It was probably the equipment guys and that was laughable and off course, it was laughable. But like they look really feisty. I guess in a way that most Thibodaux teams do and that's very interesting job. Like RJ Barrett looks good. Like he looks really really good. And I never left RJ Barrett Island. I will say so I like that sign but off the Knicks look good and I'm I want to give the Knicks props in case this changes by midseason like that. I I would come at this with more tempered enthused. Am I guess know that's where I'm at. Like, let me be so yeah, when when I watch them the Indiana game was that was that who they played like their defense. I'm sure in the fourth quarter was was really impressive and the way that they wouldn't let them get into anything and run stuff. And and and so that was like, okay this is this something different. I'm not watching the Knicks here at the same time opponents are shooting twenty nine and a half percent from three against them, which is just the three point guard dog. God's waiting their magic wand and that's not going to hold up. So so we're going to see some of these results shift when that happens..

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NBA Contenders vs. Pretenders: Who's Who This Season?

Game Theory Podcast

00:59 sec | 2 years ago

NBA Contenders vs. Pretenders: Who's Who This Season?

"Difficult do you think it's going to be this year to determine the pretenders birth? The contenders right like Orlando right now is 5 and to like I don't like Orlando is going to be tough and competitive because Steve Clifford, it's just not going to allow them to be anything else. But trying to figure out if they're actually like a potential top-six team in the East which is kind of loaded or if they're going to like kind of fall back down to earth feels pretty nice up and I know that a lot of Orlando has been like scheduled based so far. But yeah, I feel like it's going to be really difficult to determine the extent to which like wage each team is who they are. I feel like we're going to need a an even larger sample size than we typically need to determine who is real and who is fake and that Ben Fox numbers over a cleaning the glass where he takes out garbage time. Those are going to get a workout this year. It feels like yeah, exactly.

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NBA Mock Draft 3.0

Chad Ford's NBA Big Board

07:14 min | 3 years ago

NBA Mock Draft 3.0

"And we are back talking two thousand twenty mock draft three point o our last mock draft of the year. It's draft day draft morning. What better to unwrap and a mock draft on draft morning. it's the second round. Now now's the time to confess. I'm really terrible at projecting second rounds like you know my hit rate and some drafts has been like one two three picks in the second round. It's it's so hard to keep track of the first round the wheels to sort of come off and these picks happened like every two minutes. I it's hard to really keep track. I did my best. I project where. I think particular players can go. You definitely don't really get deep into this when you're talking the nba scouts in executives about what they're going to do in the second round. They're still trying to figure out the first round as well. So i've tried to find some fits there so this is reported more chad ford speculation. Here about what's happening. The second round starts with the dallas mavericks this pick via the warriors taking malachi. Flynn the san diego state. Junior point guard One of the guys that frankly could go ten spots higher in the draft. I actually really love malachi flynn. There's kind of a lot of point guards kind of later in the first round which may push him out a little bit. But i actually think he's the guy who could step in play right away. I would actually love him in dallas. I think that'd be great. Pick for dallas at thirty one at thirty two. The charlotte hornets are on the board. They're getting this pick via the cavs. Paul read the sophomore forward center out of depaul. Have them going thirty two. This is john. Hollinger's been super high on all year. I think he's another guy who can guard positions on the floor. I really like him. Actually think he brings some stuff offensively as well. I personally like him. Better than precious. I'm right now. Could turn out to be a terrible take. But it's kind of what i think and i definitely think he could be an excellent fit. I'm in charlotte. Especially if they end up with lamelo ball and they're gonna need to add a defensive big man. As part of that package at thirty-three the minnesota timberwolves around the board. This'll be the third pick because they have to. First round picks. Tillman the junior power forward at michigan state. Everybody loves this kid. He's he's one of these guys like high floor. Low ceiling. just does his work every day. Great rebound or plays hard. I'm ken defend going. Bring be a great locker room guy is gonna find some rotation that somewhere I like him in minnesota on a team. That is trying to go forward. I think he actually adds a bit of a veteran presence to the locker room. At thirty four the philadelphia seventy sixers are on the clock. That get this. Pick via the hawks. Isaiah joe the arkansas shooting guard who is one of the best shooters in this draft. Crazy range. High volume of three point shots philadelphia. Always in need shooters. When you're going to be playing. Ben simmons on this team he certainly constructs the floor. And i'd like isaiah joe there them at thirty five the sacramento kings Via the pistons. Dan dotson to kansas sophomore guard. Who is one of the quickest players in the draft. He's an elite score excels off the getting to the basket not a great shooter a bit undersized for his position not really a point guard that's why he slides a few spots higher but could be instant offense off the bench for sacrimento at thirty five at thirty six the philadelphia seventy sixers back on the clock this time via that pick from the mix jordan aura the louisville junior who also is one of the better shooters in this draft. He has good size vers position. Good length i'm not sure exactly what else he brings to the table besides shooting but again i'm just loading philly up i with shooters at the moment at thirty seven. The washington wizards are on the board. They get this pick via the chicago. Bulls tyler bay the junior ford out of colorado who is one of the best athletes in the strath super explosive. Really hard worker on the defensive end still just kinda coming along on the offensive. And then i think that's been a concern. He's he's one of those guys that might be a little bit of a twitter. Not sure exactly what position he plays in the pros that causes him to slide. A few picks in this draft think this is still really value. and by the way when. We're talking about a lot of these guys dotson. Tillman for example malachi flan. These guys could all end up in the first round as well. Just have them the second thirty eight new york knicks via the hornets janis ramsey. The texas tech freshman guard again volume score can shoot it a little bit We're just loading the knicks up now with backward guys that can score the basketball. I'm not sure who's going to defend in new york. But he's an intriguing prospect. He's only nineteen years old. And i certainly there's upside there with the thirtieth pick in the draft at thirty nine the new orleans. Pelicans selecting this pick for the wizards. Daniela touro the minnesota sophomore center. Who had a really really strong summer season one of the more improved players in the country very skilled at big man. I'm great size. Adding just bore skill in size to this pelicans roster i'm at the moment If you remember earlier jalen smith. I'm selected at thirteen at forty. The grizzlies are on the board. This pick via the silence. This is the first pick that the grizzlies have been able to make in the twenty twenty. Nba draft a doco as a bouquet. The kansas center. Big guy seven. Seven wingspan seven footer. Really good athlete actually just dominant player in the pain. Terrible free throw. Shooter doesn't really do anything facing the basket. But when you have that size and length and athleticism. I think you get something done in. The and kind of reminds me deondraye jordan. A little bit and a little bit surprised. He doesn't go higher. I get there seems to be a penalty on the big minner plane or pain. Right now in the draft at forty one san antonio spurs back on the on the board yama dr the israeli guard nineteen year old for hop. Well tel-aviv and you know. He's such an intriguing prospect because he plays his butt off. His incredible energy is just making a difference when he's out there but he's not really a point guard. He's kind of more of a two guard in a point guards body. He's not like a great shooter. I'm athletically he's actually not bad at all but that lack of a jump shot kinda undersized i position that makes him more of a second round prospect at he absolutely wants to leave israel and come to the nba. And if it's the g. league next year and so he could be an interesting prospect for san antonio developed down the road

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