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Governor John Hickenlooper
"Are Everybody welcome back to the forward podcast. I know it's been a minute. My guest today is governor John Hickenlooper from <hes> from at one point in his life being a geologist losing his job and the only gas industry to starting to successful brew Repub to <hes> running for Mayor Denver winning that election two terms as mayor Denver and then and then onto <hes> governor of Colorado this cool state <hes> he is now running for president of the United States <hes> fascinating discussion listen. I JUST WANNA I want to get it out there and say that <hes> because the seems that the political climate is so heated now and so I before everybody starts hating <hes> you know I try to stay as a political and ask questions in an apolitical way as possible. <hes> you know I think kick is I will. I will disclose. He's a friend of mine <hes> but that doesn't <hes> that doesn't mean we don't get asked him some tough questions so fascinating discussion Russian truly a moderate candidate. Give it a listen <hes> don't judge don't be don't be grinding on me for for having a Democrat on <hes>. I'd love to have a rebublican on so <hes> also while I got you <hes> please ensure to not miss the daily coverage of the Tudor France on the move. We're so proud of all the all the work that's been been going on there and the success that the show has had and hey the twitter France we haven't seen a tour of this exciting in many many years so we got one week left. Check out the move. <hes> many questions comments concerns issues well not comments or concerns or issues but citizen is a note at <hes>. We're should we send a J._V.. The move at we do dot team send it to the move at Weei DOT team. Thanks for tuning in governor. Thanks for being here. Hey what a treat I wanNA get real serious real quick Kay. How're the Rock and tours last night? Oh my God they were you know you have your expectations in music. As in life they went beyond every reasonable expectation and especially you know Jack White was he was doing things and and showing showing invention on the guitar that just seems so fresh old metal rock and roll and yet so fresh so new of all of his. Let's call them acts right. Whether it's the white Straw jets white stripes his own music the rock and tours are far and away the best I mean that's as far as my taste goes and I've seen them once before and obviously he's a savant dole genius. Have you seen it might get loud no so music documentary with with Jack White the edge from you to Jimmy page while in it starts with this the opening scene is him Jack White making a guitar out of like out of like shoebox or something I mean he starts to play it and it said his <hes> farm and Tennessee at least it seems I mean it. Is You see this guy in your like. That guy is genius. He's doing things his own way everywhere. Everything he does is fresh yeah yeah I suggest you in. I probably talked about the documentary ten times in these podcasts but you should check it out voted in all your travels. I know you're but your story is and I've known this story just from reading about you and having been good friends with Governor Bill Ritter your predecessor Sir and the story of of of essentially owing owning a group of yeah in downtown Denver the first brew pub and the Rocky Mountains the twelfth brew pub in America just so a clear just I heard it was the first in Colorado Yeah Yeah now which is pretty amazing now now. There's probably ten thousand of them. Well took two years to raise the money because no one knew it was my own mother wouldn't invest and the rent there was a bucket square foot per year in lower downtown Denver right so you know across the street from what the Translation Union Station Union stations now hotter than two dollars pistol yeah I mean that you can't get rent there for who knows but the store the part of the story that I didn't know as what it what brought you to Colorado what brought you to Denver which is actually our mutual friend. Mike Freeze told me this on a bike ride yesterday but I didn't know anything about oil and gas deal being a geologist at the time I was like what I thought he thought he drank beer and serve beer and was Abreu master. You know what was weird so I grew up outside Philly and my mom was with or twice before she turned forty and she never complained. She was the toughest most resilient person I ever knew and you tell us that you can't control life throws at you but you can't control how you respond or does it make you stronger or weaker better or I and I came out to as geologist had a masters at a company car thought it'd be a geologist. My whole life came out to Colorado nine hundred eighty one and then the commodities prices all collapsed in the mid eighties those sustained recession and our company got sold. I mean literally hundreds of of companies got sold. They estimate eight or ten thousand geologists lost their jobs at about five year period so not only was everyone getting laid off but the one was hiring so it meant that I lost not just my job or lost my profession and it's a lot of what all those people that supported Donald Trump all the people in the mid West when when we kind of through autumn automation and globalization a lot of those manufacturing jobs in whether it's automated automotive or wherever are they all got outsourced and people lost not just their job but they lost a profession and it's weird after you know even if you're a pretty confident person after seven or eight months of of try and stuff and thinking it through and reframing your options you begin to lose a little confidence you see a different person in the mirror right and so then that's what led you to the Rupa Yeah. I was like I got a couple of buddies. We took out a book Meraz geologist so I took out a book on how to write a business business plan. I didn't know what a pro forma was and we just kind of piece it together as part of the reason it took so long to to to to get investors because we really do we were doing when we first started and you grow up in Pennsylvania iago up outside Philadelphia's your father when you're very you're young yeah he got sick. When I was five and it's my mother's second husband that was the tough part that it was and he was a good Nitra biological father so he was my he's she was married once to a pilot and World War Two had two kids and he died right at the end of the war then after a couple years <hes> she moved in with her parents with two kids and then she after a couple of years she met my dad and he quartered her she kept saying Oh? You don't WanNa my two kids. He said Yeah I do. They finally got married. <hes> had two more kids. I was the baby and and then after about five years got cancer and they didn't know how to deal with cancer in those days back then it was it was a complete death sentence. Now you go they'd go in. He had three major operations in about two years and what really was the toughest thing was that they we didn't have anything for the infections so you had had penicillin but that's it. That was the only antibiotic so after the third operation I'll tell you one of the greatest gifts my mother said she ever got was from a woman named Exits Nixon who would best friends come into just coming over once or twice a week to have coffee and she saw my mother doing laundry because every night my father would wake up with cold sweats because he had all these infections and so two or three times a night my mother would halfway rollover unroll the sweaty she'd under and put a clean sheet down rolling back on the clean sheet. Take the rest of the Swedish sheet. You know get him into a clean sheets and so every day she's doing laundry like crazy and actress Dixon saw this astor what was going on in my mom's explained it and the next day a linen service they showed up and for the last seven months of my fathers life. My mother never had to do any laundry and she said her whole life because she didn't ask for it was just a grace gift anybody ever gave her and you remember that as Y'all sure that those last couple of years we he he would stay at his bedroom pretty much in those days. They kept the kids away. I'm not sure why if I was well there was always sick misconceptions about cancer you hear them on and it's contagious etc etc.. I it was crazy. I mean obviously we've come a long ways. Thank God but to lose it. I don't know I have an an eight year old daughter. If I were to leave or to die to pass I mean she would be she'd be mess. It would be tough it was it. It was the first couple years after died I was I was just a mess I was I was bullied. I was always the loud mouth for whatever reason I guess my dad was sick so my mom put me in school year early so I was when I went into kindergarten. How's four instead of five so when I was in third grade I was seven eight and I just thought just trying to kids like me but became the butter the jokes and my poor motherhood? She made a chart for me at the end of every day I'd come home home and trump would have all these categories like. Did you say something mean but somebody's back. Would you make fun of somebody on the playground or did you all these things I'd get Goldstar Silver Star Purple Star but it may be conscious of stop being such a such an asshole there you go. There was good in eight years. Old is a good age to learn not being astle. It took me probably thirty years longer than to figure out you know just being a complete dickhead just doesn't but at some point in life you know it smacks around enough you figure it out yeah yeah. It's made me pathetic in the end. It made me intensely sensitive to people that were being teased or marginalized in any way it's funny. I never got I never thought about. I was never involved in student politics. You know student council or anything but it is eventually got me into into running for office was that sense of not just empathy but but you know your ability to help somebody who's being kind of tormented eh pushed and dyslexic and I was dyslexic except back then they know they just thought race. I was so slow. They just thought lazy that I wouldn't spend the time and turns of course I was true too. I was like any good high school kid. I was lazy but I I was just a very very slow reader and you're also most dyslexic so I was just moderately dyslexic. Most dyslexic also have a little bit of A._d._H._d.. Attention deficit true which if you think about God's cruelest trick is he says I. I'm GONNA make you a slow reader and then to make sure you've never finished a book. I'm getting give you a short attention that good lock you start thinking about one hundred our mutual friend Pam Alexander. I believe <hes> is in that category as well. She's sitting. I'll let it that help him. I promise and then so this is only happened a couple times when I've done these podcasts and when I'm as I'm studying people like you learn about your life and learn about your family and etc etc I then learned that that you have also hello pro so pag nausea. I've never heard this word of my life ever well and I'm like what the Hell is that yeah. It's it's it's common name is face blindness and and I always thought that I didn't pay enough of attention but you and I would. Let's say could meet your brother was here and we spent three hours talking. Having an amazing conversation the next day I was even starbucks would never recognize him and even absolutely and and even celebrities if they're hairs a little different or some wrong I couldn't recognize him when I watched movies if they're too blonde actresses to two in the same movie and their Harrison sufficiently different I could never wreck. I couldn't tell them apart. I mean it and then go in the restaurant business right. So you know some good things your best friend well. What you what happens is you wait and you look at every greet someone you look at whether they recognize you and and you dial up your warmth to reflect what they're giving to you and it's amazing works ninety nine percent of the time where they will you know if they come really close and calm right towards you can go ahead and you could tell whether you're supposed to give them a hugger when I was just supposed to give them a pat on the shoulder but generally people and people always reveal within twenty seconds that it was so great when I saw last month at call Federer's house whatever it's their ways to get through it uh I look at it as kind of part of the the secret of my success just like like Dyslexia dyslexia you learn to absorb information in different ways? You learn differently than other people. which gives you an extra extra tool in yeah well? That's what the best unfortunately not not. Everybody has the skills or or the most people are differently. I mean they all reprogram but the face blindness just makes you more friendly. What's the downside to that to go through a little more friendly than everybody? We all know nothing so you alluded to this a second ago that you weren't in the student council in any political esque stuff I in school and then you know you you lose your job is actually lose your career as as a geologist and then a brew pub you have and then but the first to me is I'm reading your life story here trying to put it all together. It seems to me like your first political. Ask <hes> idea or thing was this this campaign to not allow mile high medium to be essentially bought or sold you know like most stadiums eighteen field or whatever in Dallas and <hes> all these other big stadiums you didn't want Mile High Stadium to be called INVESCO stadium right and which I thought was I was like every stadium has has a sponsor I so I'm so curious as to why we'll see that I'm older than you and I'm old enough to remember when every the no stadiums idioms had sponsors became reservoirs of shared emotion and these experiences and Mile High Stadium Especially Mile has stadium had the south end of the stadium was so loud and when the Broncos will make a defensive stand or elway would be driving you know to in the final minute and the place would you just couldn't even hear yourself think that's shared experience ms part of what makes professional sports so powerful is the collective joy in victory is so powerful and you know when you when you when you're teams defeated. There's also some mitigation. The disappointment is lessened because it's shared with all these other fans and when you have a name to the stadium like at Mile High it was Mile High Stadium people cherish that and the taxpayers were paying for the new stadium. No one told them they were going to sell the name and so I just thought hey there you should have a there should be some some pathway for us to protest and so I win around the bar. There's one of my customers would occasionally do political polls. I didn't even know what a political poll was but he said you know for a couple of grand. I'll throw a two questions in the next time I do Paul the whole metropolitan region and what years so this is nine hundred ninety eight okay so I mean not ninety eight not that long ago yeah and in one thousand nine hundred and so I get I put in five hundred bucks and some other guys around the chip in and we put a couple questions in such as would you be willing to pay and it was twenty four cents a year for the next sixteen years to keep the name Mile High Stadium on our beloved new football field and so you know people will not say their favorite any tax for almost anything seventy percent of the people said we want to pay that tax and so all of a sudden we show up and we said we'RE GONNA call press conference so we put these card tables out in front of the Old Mile Mile High Stadium and and we put a little logo on it and hang sheets over it and everything to call this press conference. We thought we got a big crowd. Nobody came except the four T._v.. Stations the four channels and the two newspapers and the alternative newspaper and they all came and we were the front page. We're on that with the lead story for two or. Three days everyone talked about a minute went away. no-one gave the stadium. The Stadium District Authority continued on their process of cellular and what happened was the it wasn't until six months later and this buddy of mine Andrew Hudson just kind of did the communications for Mayor Wellington web was a wing mayor of Denver at the time and Mayor Web at supported the vote to to pass a tax increase to build a stadium because it was going to be in the center Denver most of the suburban regions the mayor's been against it because it was in downtown and they all those it's kind of rivalry and the governor at the time was Republican and he'd been against the tax well they get halfway through building this new new football stadium mm-hmm and they're going to give a tour the most popular TV station most widely washed with channel nine and channelize gonNA walk their viewers through the have complete stadium think it was going to be in maybe nine months out or something anyway anyway they they pick the governor to the tour guy because he's the govern- kind of outranks the mayor and the mayor was one of support the taxis furious so he calls his presidential Hudson and says who's Hicken Hicken. Was that guy's hitting some get him. He wanted to fight to get him get him on the phone. Can you be in my office on next Tuesday and the next thing I know I'm in the mayor's office Jad with people there eighteen video cameras and all these drones and America's up and I realized how he could capture the moment he gets up and says <music> some things shouldn't be for sale gives a speech and everything stopped. I mean again front page. Rick Reilly wrote about it on his arrival in sports illustrated. He lived in Denver so he was he said people should find the Hickenlooper for inside them. I mean people all over Mash. I know where Rick Lives in yeah down in Laguna Italy in Italy Italy. That's that's just that's unjust America's greatest sports writer he living in southern California. He may be back. I know he did it. He whatever for whatever reason one day he woke up and he said I WANNA learn to speak Italian. He has a smart guy at an inch and so he moved to Tuscany and I think in Florence and <hes> but maybe he's back this was a I haven't talked to him now just because you ask him he's still ask him if he's still in Italy anyway after the whole mile high save we got a compromise became INVESCO field at mile with first city ever GonNa compromise and the Guy Andrew Hudson button about a couple months after the dust settled comes up to me says you know Maher Web is term limited and in two years. He's not going to be able to run and you should think about running for mayor and I looked writing I said why would I ever do that right. Why why would anyone what do that get a real job? I got a real job my God but it had that you know as I was reading through it. I was like that's that was the spark just like that sort of rallying people and and and standing for a 'cause I mean that that's what that's what the best politicians are supposed to do and it's also a lot of what it's an entrepreneur. I got thirty five investors to take little risk on some money in this old abandoned warehouse to create a group of restaurant that route its own beer. I mean my mother said why would anyone WanNa have dinner brewery synonymous bakery fresh. It's fragrant in in the end an entrepreneur brings people together assesses risk and reward and and create a team and it goes forward with his mission. It's very similar politics now in a funny way I mean that's kind of how when I went into politics I wanted. I wanted to take an entrepreneurial approach to to to solving the big challenges of the community in your father was a good friend of Kurt Vonnegut. It went to college with Kurt Vonnegut Yeah. They're buddies at Cornell University. Although I never I mean the funny thing that finally get Kurt vonnegut never made a nickel from selling his his literature until he was forty nine years old which is so interesting when he did had <hes> solar house five. I think came out in nineteen sixty nine. That was the first time you ever had any book really made money so we're kids again. My Dad got sick pretty. Quick and Kurt Vonnegut wasn't out there as even an author in anyway so my mom never knew that my dad knew Kurt. Vonnegut is just a good friend that he'd just never met so. I was forty five and I would do a special beer label. Do a special beer for this art gallery in Denver if they had Ralph stagnant who did all the cupboards one hundred exactly so knowing well so we did a we did Amos figure here in Aspen. He's amazing. Yes we did a beer label called steadied stout and we grew to special for man. We just had a blast and so six months later that art gallery owner calls since take one for Kurt violent. I said yeah everything ever wrote. I'd do it in a second and sure enough. You know three weeks later that my phone rings and is this John Hickenlooper. This is Kurt vonnegut before we talk beer. Tell me what happened to to my friend from Cornell John Hickenlooper you have the same name I said we'll have a junior and ever use it but I'm junior and that's my dad and so we became friends and I'd go. He had a house out in Saka panic at the end of Long Island and I go there for fourth fourth of July weekends and he would tell I learn more about my dad from confining yeah I did from most of my family. This is weird and what are the chances. I would have gotten I mean he only got he did the streets about the characters from his books and only had one show that one gallery and to my knowledge on the only that's the only gallery that any <music> as ever gone to a brewery special beers for for our chose. What are the chances that we would connect slim slim so one point he he gives you some advice? He says you be very careful. Who you pretend to be because that's that's who you're going to be yeah so I was talking about? I learned in the restaurant business so we opened the wind coupon and anybody I worked seventy and eighty hours a week not different no different than training for for a bike race I hope I hope that's a lot up more than most people do it anyway. It was it was it was a bunch and you know when it finally kind of took off the the oh I realized as as is it became more intense that if I was in a cranky mood soon my bartenders might my my line cooks would all be cranky and so I learned to to look in the mirror you're just before I go into the restaurant and I put a smile my face I remember Bob Fosse and all that jazz you'd always make a little face and say it's showtime go in there and and I pretend to be happy I was talking to correspondent. I said you know it's funny most days within a couple of hours I'd be happy I'd become happy and he looked at me. He says well that's one of the great lessons of life is on a larger scale that happens day in and day out and you have to be careful who you pretend to be because that's who you're going to become good good life lesson man also when I tried to get into to endorse me when I decided to run for mayor in two thousand three and I call them up he could be a curmudgeon. People are always asking for stuff and I I call them up and say you know current. I'm going to rubber mayor going to bring the the the approach of an entrepreneur to solving society's problems risk versus reward get Republicans and Democrats businesses and nonprofits everyone to work together and goes John. That's great but if you if I I mean you asked me to endorse you I endorsed you have to address everyone to talk to all these all my to Kurt. It's fine. Don't just idea don't worry about no problem. The next day and you didn't didn't like email for a long time wouldn't use email the next day I got a fax what she loved to communicate faxes. I get a fax say I don't believe in endorsements. I believe in hope I hope John. Hickenlooper is the next mayor of Denver and signed a Kurt Vonnegut so I put these on little bookmarks and I got a bunch of volunteers on to hand them out libraries all over Denver especially on weekends because that's what most people go up going the libraries it'd be big crowds going in and out and it one of the smartest things I've ever did cause a if you're going to Denver Public Library you're registered to vote Denver and people that read books generally have a higher probability of voting so we decided it was a very high yield maneuver. No that was great. That was great. Those genius offered Vonnegut these days. They'd be concocting some instagram scheme so you could you know you could reach people but well now these days you got to figure out exactly what are the new ways of doing something. That's fresh sure when I was and I went to Wesleyan University in Connecticut and had a writing teacher their name Paul Hogan and he walked into class one day and this is true of life as it is of writing. It's true today as it was then but he walked in the class and he said everything it's been said but not everything has been said superbly and even if it had everything must be said freshly again and again <hes> and so especially if you're a writer you know everything has been said or not. Everything has been said <hes>. Let's see everything's been not everything has been set superbly so there's frontier out there you can you can still right things superbly that no one else that have written but even if they had all been ridden. Everything's gotta be done again freshly which is so inspiring right which makes it hard if you're trying to figure I use INSTAGRAM's to get political drives me crazy yeah I can't. I can't figure it out but let's talk about the twenty sixteen election camping the whole thing. There's a lot of stuff out there and I'm and I think both both of these are super interesting to me because I in in a way both of these people there was talk that that that you were on a very short list to be Hillary. Clinton's picked to be her vice-presidential running-mate YEP now. I also come from a school. That doesn't believe anything that I read so let's just set the record straight. was I mean that was the case yeah so I was down the last three or four and you go through this long. You give them everything you know baby pictures whatever ever everything about your life tax records your everything that could possibly ever come up in a campaign which means pretty much everything right and they go through it and then you go through this literally it was a five and a half almost six our interview with five super talented easer thousand dollar an hour lawyers who are all donating their they donate their time for these these vetting processes and it was it was wild. I'll take a funny thing I had loan money to a woman. Her husband dropped dead of a heart attack avert great tragedy and her two kids were were in school with my son Teddy and they were great friends and I would that time was divorced and the House next to my ex wife was up for sale and we knew the guy who the neighbor and <hes> this woman who's a widow with two kids was renting which he had some life insurance but she didn't have enough income yet to qualify for mortgage so I put in ten grand co-signed on the loan and the agreement she by me by me out in three years when she got her feet under she's getting teaching degree so we do that and she buys me out and everything's great so I'm being vetted and they look at me and they go so who's this woman Merrill F- lockers put up. He'd you help. Why did you buy a house and it was like no you have to stand? It's by son's best friend and his father died trying to do a favor it was like can you prove that how would you how could we I mean it was everything in your life was open to to review right and we're going to get to this in just a second because you're now forget V._p.. Be We're talking. We're talking top talk so I want to get to that in just a second so the other thing that I really founded and I've never really <hes> <hes> spent a lot of time with John Case which <hes> I've talked to him on the phone quite a few times interesting guy yeah there was this talk of almost like a unified tick unity ticket a unity and with cases running for president and you as vice. I always thought that his name would be better under under my name but we never quite got that resolved. Yeah which alphabetic order I guess yeah he he and he is a he was the chair of the House Budget Committee <hes> in one thousand nine hundred ninety four so he's been around politics knows I mean he wanted to be a politician. His whole life is almost the opposite of me. I never ran for anything until is forty nine but we balanced each other great and he was the one I went to him. After Donald Trump became president trump and the Republicans want dismantle he became president or after he got the nomination no after became president he came in and was going to dismantle the affordable care act and governor Casick in Ohio had expanded medication in Colorado and he clearly saw a it was good for the economy be it was great for the workforce and therefore good for the economy and it also gave poor people a chance to better themselves because they got healthcare. They didn't have that wasn't one more thing they had to worry about in terms of trying to build their lives so I went to him I went I took a while to to find him because he had resigned for various reasons from the National Governors Association but he'd come and be my public partner in both of us to governor's saying we're the ones who implement healthcare plans you senators great writing about you. Guys great wave in your arms your lots of your your thinkers dreamers. We're the doers <hes> and we say you shouldn't go back and in the and John McCain the day before he voted against dismantling the affordable care act he said we should look to the governors and they're the ones who really deal directly with this and we should take direction from the governor and that was directly talking to Casick at one point he he reached out John Casick did and I was shocked that he was I mean I knew who who he was. I mean he'd run for President and was the governor of Ohio and and and he he said to me and this is not that long as probably two years ago he said Lance. I've always been a big fan and we all make mistakes and and you know I just hate that. This has happened to you. <hes> you know we got gotTA. I WANNA help I WANNA help figure out a way that that you can rebuild your life and move forward and and he clearly was a big fan but was not paying attention to what's going on like right here and so he's like he's like I'm GONNA call. Just just ask some of my smart staff and I'm GonNA call you back in a week and like a month goes by phone rings governor case and he said Lance he said I asked all these people like what can we do to help this guy play offense again and they started telling me you have all these podcasts that has millions of followers and that you're doing this. He's like you don't need me. It was crazy. I was like well. Thanks a lot of you talk to you later but it was a sweet gesture but it was so funny he had no idea that that we're sitting here doing this and millions of people out there listening and watching tuning in and it was cool school as a good dude. He's focused he. He's a real policy wonk so he's in a little bit in a bubble so he wouldn't be aware of no I duNno. I didn't follow him at all. No shot yeah you know. Hey I get another fan out of him but so when he's a moderate fair to say he's a moderate Republican in most would call you a moderate Democrat so that that m-word right that's that's my question. Here is going to cause America images seem so it's just it's not the hostile but it's close and so when it's when to me when something's hostile it just gets polarized to the left the right strongly and so how can somebody and we'll and this is where we get to what <hes> what you want to now which is be the president of the United States can a moderate at any level but specifically to the president. Can they win. He is that possible. Oh I think absolutely I think you got to figure out how to message what it is. You're selling just just like anything no different than how you market this podcast or or yourself to a certain extent and I look at what we've done in Colorado over the last fifteen or twenty years I was mayor of Denver eight years and went from being kind of backwater. Water Fly over the last twelve years one of the fastest growing cities in America great city. Yeah I mean we transplant got a thousand miles bike trails more live music venues in Austin or national me all the stuff that will will fact more Austin Austin Austin tells us that that's the live music capital and they and they have a right to say whatever they want but the bottom is the Westwood. The Alternative Newspaper and Denver is owned by the same company that owns the alternative newspaper in Austin Yeah across the chronicle article it's so they went out and they got each reporter to go and count and go and list every place that has live music for nights a week and Denver won by three that we I think it was eighty seven two eighty four to eighty two so anyway I'm not it's not what early banks used to say. It's not bragging if you can do it so but I looked at that you know at that how we did it and Colorado were for the last three years. When I got elected? We're well for the last year's where the number one economy in the country according to U._S.. News and World report I got elected. We were fortieth job creation and really struggling and we did it by going to every county and creating a business plan in every county not leaving the rural counties behind we'll we'll be the first state in America to have broadband in every city in town by the end of next year. We'll give tax incentives for small businesses to start up in rural parts of the state. I mean we've actually done why we have the number one rural economy for last year and that's what the country needs the country needs to to kind of kick extorted and not go to these massive expansions of government. You know you know Medicare for all you to expect that you're going to have one hundred eighty million Americans give up their private insurance which most of them WanNa hold onto. It's just not gonNA happen in Colorado around. We got the near universal healthcare coverage without that massive expansion. I think if you put together a public option you know that people who want to go choose to get to be able to get to Medicare on a sliding scale if it's really good and people go there and it grows rose and the quality improves the cost come down and more people are attracted to it grows and quality improves the cost comedown ultimately. You'll get to medicare for all but it'll be an evolution rather than a revolution. I look almost every policy issue like that. We've done in Colorado and the way we did. It would work nationally so I keep telling when I was on the debate stage with all those other Democrats. I kept saying well. I'm the one gun one guy who's actually done what everyone else is. Just talking about in and I had it hurt you can confirm if this is not as governor as a Democrat Democrat and the state of Colorado your approval rating amongst Republicans as it was told to me was sixty nine percent. It wasn't quite that high but it was up there. It was probably I think moderates was about sixty nine seventy but republicans I was above fifty which is unheard of which I think is people need to hear that I mean that's that's. That's what you want you don't want. I can't even take the news news cycle in the in the competitiveness of C._N._N.. Versus Fox and it's just you know we do it a cool thing at our house where we especially with you know during the last election as we mostly watch C._N._N.. Right I'm just full mission <hes> but as this thing was getting Nastier Nassar I would make the kids as as we're sitting at the dinner table or wherever we do five minutes to C._N._N.. Five minutes of Fox five minutes of C._N._N.. Five minutes of Fox because you can't just it's so far easy to see the differences is in you can get so bought into one channel and narrative but one click away in there it is completely different no and they used to be something called the fairness doctrine which meant in this country T._v. stations because it's such such a persuasive hot medium that they would have to show of any politics they put on there wasn't just the basic news they'd have to show an equal amount of time of conservative interpretation as liberal duration and they got rid of that in nineteen ninety seven the you know what I love about Colorado. We didn't worry about whether someone's Republican or Democrat. We didn't demonize businesses we made businesses part of the solution with nonprofits and universities and foundations and and the the rural part of the state really cooking start about four years ago and now you know part of strategy you know the only way somebody in a flyover state Colorado's GonNa win is if I can do really well in Iowa Woah and I got a bunch of these farmers <hes> why become great friends with who want to go out and campaign in Iowa for me and they WanNa go and say you know here's what Hickenlooper did in Colorado here's what he could do for Iowa imagine what he could do for the country and and there's one guy right. Have you ever Seen Nusa yogurt so there's a Great Yogurt and Oh Essay Nusa yogurt guide you. I'm not a big yogurt day. I probably should pretty darn good anyway. Rob Graves fifth generation dairy farmer in Colorado Republicans whole life. I mean most of these guys are all Republicans and I'm amazed because I go up there. I went to the to Brush Colorado for the fourth of July parade this year. There's just this last week and in brush. It's you know four thousand people I think and more than that people I think there's almost that many people in the parade almost seventy watching the parade but all these guys are so grateful that that that just myself but my administration all of us spent a Lotta time going out and trying to listen in the rural parts of the state of how can we make you an actual active integral part of our economy. Can you ride a bike fifty miles sure okay. I'm no political homeadvisor or strategist or any of the above but if I were you and Iowa is is I understand is important. Is that important right legitimately important. It is the big the big Kahuna so they and I don't know if you've heard of Rag brier you mean the registers ride annual great bike ride across Iowa Idaho great bike ride across Colorado Iowa the it fluctuates and there's a lot of bandits that just jump in for the day etc etc.. I would pick a day. We'll talk in thirty to forty thousand cyclists everyday a day for seven days. It is the craziest Bica Palooza and you see everything from people on skateboards too high wheelers to unicycles to mountain bikes to go. I go I go every year. Oh no kidding every you'll let me Ri- with you on I'll go one my going this but <hes> that's a long story tune very quickly back to the audience yeah the this Dang podcast that we're doing about the twitter. France just keeps US confined here in most importantly. You can't get data. You can't up our show takes so much data to upload right and stream live Iowa for whatever reason they got these crazy. They don't have Verizon A._T.. And T. They don't have broadband in every city they they don't have smoke signals uh-huh so we can't do the show is really going. I am going to write this. You need that's. I'm so glad you said that so. This is let me tell you something. None of those other twenty five people running a can ride a bike cory booker might be able to now that he's lost some way but they're not going to be Iraq Bri. Yeah I'll be amazing and each year. They have a big concert right. It's kind of the middle level of rag dry they get a they have a lot of music but they have one very famous act that comes every year and they're in their name. Is I just love this because I grew up the white trash kid in Plano Texas and I listened to the crew into poise all this crap and Van Halen and so they have one bank called hairball. Have you heard of hairball. I've heard I so they've covered these. These old songs that I grew up listening to perfectly and they've got a rotating core like five singers that get dressed up like the play a journey song. He just just like Steve Perry if they play a motley crue song they dude comes out. He looks just like Vince Neal it it there is twenty thousand people out in the crowd. It is crazy so if you can catch a night with hairball. I'm really starting to show my true true self here well one of their big concerts. This year is is is going to be big head todd and the monsters grotto who are all buddies as Dave. They wrote <hes> some of their songs playing pool in my in the Pool Hall of my Brew Pub and so I'm going to figure out some way to convince them the I need to play a little Banjo onstage with them yeah. That's my goal. I think in just that image of I mean you know how this works. I mean you get your job to out to the people that are saying around you see that image but as the way it works works in this day and age and it's your sponsored the teams responsibility to you know to put that image out to the world but that would be such a cool the people would love it. They would love it and part of politics. Today is is celebrity right and then how do you become celebrity and what's that look like and part of its if you can't play an instrument doing it in unexpected circumstance like Ri- I think is is something along those lines and just gotTa keep looking for those opportunities but it hasn't been easy. I mean this this first of all. I don't know why anybody would be president full disclosure just that interview process with Hillary's team. I would have been sitting there going okay. I'm tapping out like this is subject myself to this my family to this my friends my neighbors my I brain but but I get it is a great poem by woman named Marge peercy called to be of us and you should you should check it out and it is short. I'm tempted to read it but it's very short but it it describes the joy of the job worth doing well done and I think a certain point I mean I'm doing this not 'cause. I want to live in the White House. I WANNA be famous. Actually Kinda hate the famous but I do look at the fact that was an entrepreneur out of work for two years. I know what that feels like. What I put together teams and built restaurants? I put together teams and build a city. I put a team together and help rebuild a state economically weekly and I think that on the one I mean sounds weird. I'm stuttering but I feel like there's almost a weird Bima light to saying you. Maybe you're not supposed to win but you're supposed to be in this campaign and lay out a vision of different different way of doing politics but it is is a little tour. I mean it's been there's been some shakeup yeah and then I think it's it's just so you see it. All the time I mean your stuff is a big headline here in the state when the team member gets replaced or a couple of them I switched all the people right because I wanted to rebooted just like you know when I was in business. Sometimes you don't have to write team doesn't mean they're bad or they're not working hard or whatever it's just not right some of the most talented people I've ever worked with but at that moment in that circumstance I needed fresh blood. I'm sure this bike racing it. Sometimes it's like a team you get used to the people you're writing what but at a certain point you need fresh blood. Absolutely I mean it's just it's Kevin. Sometimes it's just the chemistry how it fits into the moment and how quickly when you have a shakeup like that. How quickly can you tell if it worked or he's working so I had a two and a half hour phone meeting this morning <hes> our and and half yesterday and we can I mean big part of is just a person I mean nobody ever wakes up in the morning fit in the morning and thinks well some people do but thinks I'm going to be president on that good or I'm kind of grow into it over a period of time and we've been trying to sell my record in Colorado that almost universal healthcare cupboards first purple state to pass universal background checks for gun safety all these things we've done reduced teenage abortion by sixty four percent one after another but that's not what people are have an appetite for right now and they're not? I think it's important to them but it's not enough to to get them to shift where they WANNA. Go Him because this is this to my point of second ago I mean this is. We're living in this time where everybody's yelling rolling screaming. We'll get you people. Settle the fuck down for like five minutes in stop yelling like unless rational conversation as as a citizen as a parent as a <hes>. It's it's just re yeah yeah. I mean it's a governor. It's very noble double. It's fun and it's also having fun. I wake up every morning rated jumping action. When we you know five years ago there's an organization called the Environmental Defense Fund and the guy runs that was a guy named Fred crop is is a guy named Fred Crop and he talked? I should take on methane. Methane is twenty five to Forty Times Worse Than C._O.. Two for climate change and yet no I mean all gas companies. Manufacturing in companies are venting it there flaring they don't care about it and so it's a long story but I ended up get sitting down with a bunch of the leadership of some of the big oil companies and and oilfield service companies and I said you guys are going to have to come to grips with this and the One C._E._O.. Looks at me goes well. I do that but your environmental friends would lard it up with a bunch of red tape. We'd spend millions of dollars wouldn't actually make the air cleaner and we'd get no credit. I looked at him. I said that really really the issue and saw call up this Guy Fried Krupp Environmental Defense Fund said Chi mate lean and make sure every dollar counts can I share credit and he goes of course and so with as little shift of that. I also had to drink a little SIPA frat fluid so that they trust me. It wasn't real FRAC fluid. It was like a prototype with all food additive so it's just like drinking kind of liquid you support fracking at least support Frankie practice what it is. It's like say. Geology people hate on things all the time but they're not like I get hate on. Whatever whatever but if I'm not a doctor I shouldn't be talking? I'm Lance Armstrong. I'm nobody like it did well. Geologist probably has a slightly different view of what exact technically speaking logistically speaking what happens like well people mostly hate practice because they hate oil <music> gas and they want to transition to a clean economy quickest possible great geology. I buy into climate change. I got the greatest sense of urgency that a person can have but fracking's not the issue of people let me just let me just read you this quote. <hes> the the The New York Times asked you get the this really. Sums is very powerful and sums up exactly what you said the New York Times asked you. Do you think it's possible for the next president to stop climate change and your answer. The next president is going to beat the last person who has a chance to stop climate change when it will still matter think about I mean for the listener just think about that the last person while it matters I mean that's <music>. That gives me chills well. It's what we did with. Methane is a perfect model for what the country should do candidates rolling out are methane regulations right now across Canada people fighting over fracking. We gotta go way past that. If we're going to get to a green economy we've got to figure out how to deal with heavy industry. There's all kinds of C._N._N.'s Co two pollution coming from that how we're going to get to electric vehicles we gotta get stations recharging stations all over the country and please drive from here down to Denver. I mean what how are you going to you. Better figure out got a bad battery where you're gonNA get recharged yet. We did the Volkswagen diesel fraud remember that the diesel got they had to pay huge huge coach and so we took two thirds three quarters of our the money we got for those reparations and said we're GONNA put it towards building along interstate some some <hes> vehicle rapid charging stations for electric vehicles and so I called up my buddy the Republican Republican governor of of Utah Gary Herbert. I said hey you don't want to be left out. Don't you want vehicle. Tourists GO ACROSS COLORADO UTAH to get to California and he goes yeah. I guess what I said well. Here's what we're doing. It says yeah we'll do that and then I called up a governor bullock up in Montana and said what you'd use your some of your money and and do stations you of course yeah we'll do that and he's a Democrat that was easy but then I call the governor Mede in Wyoming and that's just immediately north of Colorado right right and so I told governor the need for people trying to get to yellowstone park. Do you want them to drive across Colorado up Utah and across Montana and come down from the north or you want them just to drive right up through and Wyoming has more natural gas and coal and and carbon. Energy than anywhere they're the most pro carbon save probably in the country but madman thought about it for a day and then call them said Yep we're in we'll put it on recharging stations and that's what's GonNa Happen Republican that never got to work together to build these networks these collaborations to address climate change in real time and most of the anger in the yelling at people is not going to get us guest there and demonizing businesses and GonNa get their business has to be convinced in real time how they can solve at this problem without ruining their business and it's doable. I think we've got plans ready to go and what do you say to the person. That says you know that John Hickenlooper he you know he's flip flopped on the death penalty. He's flip flopped Don Marijuana. He you know this is what they would say. It's what they say well. I didn't flip flop on on marijuana's funny. I did a a meeting this morning and a woman came up and said I love what you did marijuana. You're against it. You voted against it but when the people passed it you said that's what the people what we're going to do everything we can to see if it can work and now five years later it clearly is better than the old system and I think we have to admit that I was wrong. I mean who did you get a new set of facts I was I was against it because I was worried about the risk that there'd be a spike in teenage consumption or a spike people driving while I think that's legit that is that's. That's what has happened we do. We do a survey of twenty four thousand people every two years. There's been no spike so oh it's a better system than the old one. We sent hundreds of thousands millions of kids to prison in felons and the same thing with the death penalty. I you know my whole life I was I for an eye to tooth guy. I thought that was part of the Bible right turns out. It's only in the Old Testament it's not in anything that has to Jesus or or the New Testament and I think more powerfully than that it's not a deterrent the states that got rid of the death penalty forty years ago and say any increases of violent crime or heinous crimes. It's it's incredibly expensive with all the appeals it drags the family members of the victims through the worst experience of their lives again and again in these appeal systems and most importantly it is biased in other words if you happen to be black and and you commit this crime in the wrong community district attorney will decide it's going to be the death penalty for political purposes and that is something the no Americans you wanna except I read this article that about you on business insider insider and this is what you said you said <hes> I don't know about you. When I get new facts? I'll change my opinion. I think that's completely fair yeah if you don't have the facts and you're presented the facts and and you're showing the numbers of what Litigation Gatien like that would cost etc etc versus you know putting somebody in prison for life. I mean yeah I mean we do that all the time but in these debates I you know I don't know where you stand but look the the whole thing with Biden in the bus scene and it's I find it really hard to go be critical of what somebody thought forty years ago. I just don't think that's fair. I think I think you grow up you get older. You get wiser you you meet more people. You understand their lives better and you change your mind. Hello we're we're not robots. We're humans and so I don I completely support you in that well. The trick with this is interesting. If you think about it all the skills you need to become elected. President aren't necessarily very good for president to have in other words. Debating is not about getting to a better place debating about winning about putting that person down even if it's something they said forty years ago if you can get traction with that you gotta go for it when we saw it out you saw Senator Harris picked up whatever six points in the two million bucks in twenty four hours forty eight hours I mean it was I am grinding out making phone. Call after phone talking to to goofs like me but so how can we can. How can people listening to this show going? You know what this did sounds reasonable. How can I help? That's what they're saying. I'm saying it for them so our goal and I want to keep this vision of collaborative solutions and bring people together and actually move the ball down the field people call a moderate but I think these are progressive solutions are actually making our communities safer offer and educating kids better and creating more skills to for young people to get the jobs in the future. All this stuff I think is not moderate. I think it's pragmatic but progressive anyway I WANNA make sure I on the debate bates stage in September of qualified for the July debates but in in September they're going to need you're gonNA need one hundred thirty thousand donor small donors mostly and so people could send you a dollar a one dollars two dollars five dollars go to Hickenlooper dot dot com it takes you three or four minutes and if enough people go and get their friends to go. I gotTA GOTTA figure out how to make it viral. If I get enough people to go online go to Hickenlooper DOT COM and give two bucks. I'll be on that stage and I believe with time if people keep hearing that messes that I'm the only guy who's actually done what everyone else is. Just talking about <hes>. We've actually done it in Colorado and we can show how it worked nationally. I think you know I'm still optimistic. I think I can still win Iowa. You know what was the craziest. The most viral thing I've heard in a long time was was the bookmark. I think you need the bookmark. You need that you need the vonnegut quote on the bookmark. I mean that was back then when people went to the library something like that's it you gotTa and when you set it earlier I I wanted to say later on the show nearly blurted out you need to do that now. That's if we could you know that lightning in a bottle or whatever that expression is the you got to repeat the bookmark and I've been lucky enough to have those moments come and it feels like just as long as I keep working <hes> and and you know goes back to my mother saying that you know you can't control what life throws Achy but you can't control how you respond. I gotTa keep working and there's a on youtube. You can go to this this wonderful video of Kurt vonnegut pretending to be my father so I didn't open it. I saw is so funny and it's one of those things that again. That's that was lightning in a bottle of getting roasted by nonprofit in Denver Uber and they someone there knew that I knew von again Nicole them up. They found out how to get a hold him. They got him to go down to the public television studios in New York City and you know videotape this five minute where the anti goes. Why was it that that man who was so colorless thought was your father? How could he be so colorless when you have so much personality John that man was not sure Father John I am your it's hilarious? It's not useful in terms running a political campaign but I need something like that. That is is magic. I'm glad they caught him. On a good day. We wasn't too grumpy not going down any studio while he was a simultaneously like many of us could at one moment be because and and you know just cry others others or crankier more often than some exotic. That's my point he was he was both all often the most gracious what's the deadline in September and that Septum refers we gotta get we gotta get people signed up by the end of August. That's when they make so. I think it's August twenty eighth so funny stupid T._v.. Ads We're going to try and figure out how do people what's it. Take for someone to actually forward something to a friend right and that's what it's got to be. It's gotTa be good enough and entertaining enough that people want to repeat it and then it's got compel them to part with two bucks yeah okay one buck and let's assume that you get the nomination to run for President Yeah. You're you're V._p.. Pick is a female you know given the the environment almost certainly I mean yeah a female and it would have to be somebody with this with the ones would the watching these debates. If somebody some guy gets it doesn't pick one of these bad ass women before we got a problem with it'd be four yeah. Just be a full so obviously anytime you pick a V._p.. When Hillary was you know vetting adding people you're looking for a WHO could be president you know if suddenly there's an accident somehow and you're no longer on the planet who could step into the president but also who adds value to what you WanNa do and those are again different skills in campaigning top priority as president? I think climate change has to be the top of any of any thing you talk about but in terms of what people desire and for them is most immediate is healthcare universal coverage and then some way to get your arms around this inflation right. I mean look at the copays. Go Up and the cost that you go up for your insurance. We have to reregulate the insurance industry because they are twisting it to their advantage. We gotta get the hospitals to be transparent so you can see if you're taking your kid to get a tonsilectomy. Go see what the what the cost isn't what your copay is at the clinic versus a hospital. How good is your quality so you could make informed decisions? That's that's how you control costs and more gotta get people healthy outdoor recreation something in Colorado we are the center for after recreation and if I get elected I am going to make make outdoor recreation the center of my Economic Development Movement because not only do you create jobs and most of these little guys who make widgets that go on a backpacker France and holds a backpack up. I'm just making those words aren't but they were sexy words. Keep going those little businesses. Don't want to be in big cities and we've got plenty of jobs in big cities those those those outdoor recreation small companies want to be in smaller towns and often rural areas why don't we give them incentives and subsidize them and and help promote outdoor recreation in the urban areas and the suburban areas and make sure we have more parks books and more bike trails and get people active because not only do we create jobs for the industry but by by getting people active we create the greatest control on healthcare inflation that we could ever imagine we this is. This is what we just don't think about that. I and we don't think about the storm. That's coming when you think about how fat America's getting how unhealthy they're getting their habits that whether it's the food or whatever habit the the burden on the system we think we have it bad now. Yeah Gove ten twenty thirty years we can't we can't catch up yeah we just in. It's just GonNa drop like a bomb. Colorado is the thinnest state where the healthiest we're almost a healthiest. We're the thinnest state and we've been that for twenty years and it's largely because so many people come out here to hike. They decided they like it and they stay so I can't claim that we're doing anything especially right well. You're blessed with we're blessed with little or look out and see on mountains and streams and lot opportunity but there's also this this sense that you look back twenty years ago and you look at the obesity rate in the population twenty years ago so last year. We were the thinness this year now. We are the thin estate. If you go back twenty years ago we would have been the fattest date so the whole spectrum is very coach gaining weight and becoming obese right primarily yeah starts in the southeast and just literally spreads like a cancer across the country yeah yeah I was surprised when I watched the debates and and it was the first debate where they went you know like they do at the very end you know <hes> when when you're a president name your biggest concern right and so climate change was I would've thought all all of them said climate change the vast majority said China yeah and I was like damn what's going on like what am I missing here like China what I mean I don't know if it's because as of the economy or the workforce technology our for and the Tafoya called into into question and I think it is the most important aspect to be president is your roles commander in chief and in charge of the safety and security a not just the country but to a large extent the world and I'll tell you the first thing that that I would never do nobody should do is disregard the advice of the most skilled and experienced military and intelligence officers in the world right second thing I would do is denigrate alienate our closest allies but at a certain point and you know NATO and they're twenty six other twenty-five other strategic alliances were all created most of them soon after World War to keep the world's safe to make sure we didn't have another world war within that I believe you gotta have constant engagement that would be my foreign policy and not to shrink away and be isolationist. The way trump wants to be and many Democrats. I'd want more trade fair trade. I make sure that workers are fairly compensated. Environmental conditions are reflected. Climate change is taking into account but but make it fair but more importantly recognized that anything that we really want to change. It's meaningful like climate change age. We need everyone on earth to do it right. If we do methane regulations in Colorado and then the United States that's great but not if if China and India does come along and within that and I'm getting back now to all those people that said China on stage that China was cheating on their international agreements no question China was stealing intellectual property. You can't let a country continue to do that but a tariff war is the single stupidest tool cool to us. It's like it's like using a rake to try and hammer a nail. It is just not effective. I you know the the great thing about running for president. One of the things is everyone takes your call and I call the the head of the Economic Department Garmin University of Chicago the the or the Milton Friedman Endowed Chair Yours Chicago and I said whoever wins Tara for is there an example in the history of the world that we know of where there's been a winner in a tariff war and he goes no everybody everybody loses every time so only a fool would do it. The only solution again I think is constant engagement where you take all your allies you build these relationships and you begin to squeeze China and all these different aways and just say we're going to have to have a collaborative approach the future this planet because it's too small now plans to small were too closely connected. Well Yeah Okay I love it. You GotTa get on the road for your head over the past didn't get to go through all my my metaphors with bike touring and national politics to you got twenty four different candidates. That's a Peleton. You guys a writer specialists that we'd we'd have to come back yeah sixty seconds. Why should you be president? I think my life experience is uniquely suited at this moment for what the country needs and would in a funny way the world needs so I I feel I understand how important job is to people. I think I understand through our apprentice ships and all the skills based training. We've done in Colorado that this next generation of of new professions is going to need all new skills and I've got a vision for how community colleges is and how we can do that now. Sixty five percent of our kids in this country are never going to get a four year college. It's been true rough justice for forty years and we've done nothing but tell those kids. They're going to be second second class citizens. It's not they got to be the future. They're going to be the ones all all these robots are going to need someone to operate them and all the the software systems when they need someone to technician to reboot them so I think at this moment in time I've had this strange experience of being of losing my job. Appreciate Changhua work means the people recreating myself. which is you know is not always easy but we almost all go through it? It would be a bad thing for president to talk about that and be able to demonstrate. Here's how we're going to deal with climate change. Here's how we're going to get after universal healthcare coverage and control costs. Here's how we're going to make sure we have the skills ready for the next generation and I think I'm the only guy that's actually done has experienced in doing all of those things and could put a team together.
Friday, July 19: John Hickenlooper
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You must be that it's Friday or something here yeah. He's giving them some wrong audience so trump. Should we talk about him. I like people are sick of it. I know it's so well have to talk about him. I'm afraid and you have to look at the T._v. and read about him because it's your country so trump is doing damage control over the sent her back chant chant that broke out at his North Carolina rally. He claims he's I. I'm not happy about it. He said he wasn't happy when he heard it so he's shut it down quickly. Did you say really Donald Watch. More has a history of launching vicious antisemitic screens not only does it go on for fourteen seconds before he speaks up. Does he look unhappy to you. He looks like he's getting <unk>. Suntan while they're talking. Get a little orange on me right while this screaming this yeah. What do you think I mean the suggestion somehow that he wasn't happy about it? The suggestion somehow that he disavowed it that he immediately started speaking the bottom line is he didn't tell them to stop. He didn't tell them that it was inappropriate and I believe that that was something that he gave them permissions to say he normalized the right. Thing that I read that was fascinating was that Larry trump his his daughter-in-law who was also an advisor to his twenty twenty election campaign did a warm up act to queue up the crowd comedian well. Unfortunately I didn't think it was funny. She said to the crowd she let them in a call and response chant and she said if you don't leave love our country the president said it you can and the crowd responded Li Oh and so she agenda it up already using his words so I don't know plans are telling him to fix it as we know so. Why would they tell him that he has not kind? I two racist as George Wallace asked Strom Thurmond Histories not kind of races and I think that <hes> you know there's only so much excusing you can do of what Donald Trump has done this week. I think this has been a very painful week for America because we have seen the legitimization of racism because for so many of us it is a trope. We hear over and over again. Go back to where you came from. Go back to your country because there's children that lock in sound like we do get Tom Shower. You've daddy told that on a daily basis I have found there is a direct correlation between racism and sheer`stupidity and ignorance. Keep telling me to go back to Mexico that was not born to visit occasional right. Well these ladies were these women were born in the United States except for them. He's telling matter though my little sister was not born in the United States right. Hey like an American obviously and I think I think that it's been an extremely painful week. I've got I've gotten a lot of in interesting phone calls from a lot of people that I don't normally hear from about what are we going to do because this is this bad this I do think is one of those moments much like Charlottesville that will will stand in memory and my answer answer to Democrats is if you can't beat this. What are you doing because this shouldn't be this hard to beat? This is so bad. It's like nothing I've ever seen and. I don't think anyone in this room has ever seen before. You can't beat this. I late racist. I have to say about your part must take issue with that because when he was running he was blatantly racist and he won but I think at this point so but I think this I think this is him running in two thousand sixteen but on acid as I've said before he's taking his old ways of getting up people's racism and xenophobia and I see gentleman I I want to say this and I and I commend you for having called this race for racist because it is what it is and I think we gotta call all he says the hard. That's why it's been. It's been a hell of a lot harder for a lot of Republicans. We have seen a lot of Republicans people that you and I know who would have been able to do it before this themselves into ridiculous shaped all this week trying to say that it was not racist as we have seen the majority leader in the Senate who is married to a Chinese woman say that this racist I have seen Marco Rubio whose parents came here fleeing poverty who represents a community where they were told we want to Cubans to blacks axel two dogs. You can't drink from this water fountain. I have seen him try to justify this. I've seen him call people who are outraged like me. He calls at self righteous hypocrites and let me tell you what self-righteous hypocrisy is tweeting reading bipolar versus every day and remaining silent that is so racist you know what self-righteous hypocrisy is representing a community full of Venezuela's and Cubans and Haitians nations and Puerto Ricans people who here every day go back to where you're from and somehow trying to play this again Marco Rubio but he's one of many I see I said Tara. She said it. The raw motion right hand is shaking their card. This is you're not the first person I've seen like this week. There's a lot of people a lot of hard people. I know that are very very very upset. I'm so sorry to hear that why don't they their mouths the citizens of Friends of mine that don't have the kind of why WanNa get leadership. She's talking about personal nine Lindsey they don't have. I'm sorry that my friend Sarah in Scottsdale doesn't have the same kind of platform I do like referring to that to make McConnell a normal republican wandering around the streets of New York City like when I or wherever you are tagged with this right now it is humiliating. It's embarrassing. It's I don't know what to do about anymore. I've said this all week and the fact that we are tainted with this as Republicans and conservatives assertive. Yes it's cowardice on the other side. I don't know what else I can do other than we are calling it out as loud as we can with the platforms we have and by the way there are some people Tom Emmer Adam Kin Zinger congressman and can you ever who never disappoints me. He's the one Republicans. On Mark Walker there are other Republicans who've tried it is still say where's Ivanka whereas Mike Pence whereas jared Kushner who was what can we do not vote for this guy no they don't care about the Supreme Court justice. I don't care about the tax bill. I don't care about anything else. We cannot justify voting. Why rates are Republican leadership? Why is it that Republican leadership? It's about our announcing the chance but not the leader of why is that its power hardy before I WANNA get relaxed fabricated cannot do that question keeps getting asked is obviously honestly about power right. I'm sorry not as a complicated about it should be about the fact that he threw his base onto. The boss should may be turning on him for that. Those people who were chanting now we know why don't they get mad at him. Yeah Yeah I mean this. Why what is your local stick with him when he cheated with a stripper and she didn't understood but with a bunny with him? You can just nothing I can go on Fifth Avenue in shoot shoot someone was right. You know why anything in the Bible you know during the civil war they justified slavery in the Bible stratus. That's nothing new. We'll be out the Bible later bad P._R.. Where do we can governor? Ricardo CEOS ignoring protesters demanding. He stepped down after sexist and homophobic texts emerge. Is this politics as usual in the trump error breath. Everyone's talking about the view. Five women are hosting the most politically relevant show onto the people come here because they know folks are watching few Republican. You WanNa make news come on this show. It's incredible where the conversations matter. I think we can clean this up right now. I'm sorry she was treated the way she was treated. You know I think what she wants to say is. I'm sorry for the way I treated. They do not for the way you were treated and that's how the view became the most important political T._v. show in America in his raining candidates here on the new. I can't tell you how many times I was asked to find a way to get on the view. That's the view on A._B._C.. Still Ahead former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper the latest presidential candidate make an a campaign stop live on interview summer reading list on the ladies get lit and heads up home viewers because the views hot summer cast sweepstakes is doubling the Jackpot for the final dry. The protests are growing Puerto Rican Governor Ricardo CEO to step down after sexist homophobic texts leaked out but he says he's not going anywhere. Is this a page out of trump's playbook. Trump is like the boulevard at this point. It's like it goes to its in Hungary. Even Italy has got a fascist running the place now it's all over the place it's so depressing and he just he uses this bad stuff and I think it's very catching action. What are you girls saying fuck? I think this guy stands on his own for being stupid for being offensive for being divisive. The leaks are horrible. They were eight hundred eighty nine pages of leaked techs of him and his cronies saying horrible. We'll thin homophobic things about Ricky Martin but the mayor of San one they even made von Ma Coke Fund at the bodies at the morgue Eileen after Hurricane Maria he needs to resign not because he's like trump but because he is disgusting Rico needs real leader should he's not going to quit but Democrat. I mean he's not taking it all out of trump's playbook I mean he is on the other party line. It's not parties when it comes. I'm so trump is not about parties as you pointed out. I know I'm just saying on the other side. I listen my the family I married into his Puerto Rican. There is a metro station and a street in Puerto Rico named after the dominant family that I married into their Fred Regan so <hes> I have been following this pretty closely and I will say that he was corrupt and inexperienced for a long time and we just didn't pay as much attention because of the hurricane and these text messages are there actually really hard to read especially the part about the cadavers after Hurricane Maria and there areas and there's a huge amount protesting going on right now in Puerto Rico over this and I do think he's going to have no other option other than to resign. Wow what he said about the mayor who's a lovely person lean crews Brazil pillows says the Lord of Rico cheap fiscal officer Christian so we know Vega said I'm salivating to shooter isn't that I mean if you say something like that the F._B._i.. Shows up at your house. Puerto Rico is part of the United States so why is no no one showing up at his house and Rosetto responded. You'll be doing me a favor what it was terrible. What I what I'm surprised at is that he refuses to not only stepped down? <hes> the protesters have been out there. Celebrities have been out there ricky. Martin has been there lin-manuel here in New York has been taking part in the protests and they are now shooting tear gas at the protesters. I mean this is something that I thought I only saw in other other countries and we're seeing that you know in the United States and they're getting zero support from New York City Council Melissa Mark he said horrible people should come out and defend Tom and beat up that Hor yes yes I mean it was all sorts of all language against the press language against reporters threats all sorts of things to step down which is where I do think there is a parallel a with trump and there is now a trump effect because we have seen things done by Democrats and Republicans like for example in Virginia Governor North things that before would have led a politician in normal Mir politician down to resign immediately what Rosa Y'All has just done what have called for him to resign immediately out of Shane. Yeah people people had affairs before and it was found out you resigned immediately. Shame Donald Trump's playbook is you'll let this blow off now. That's Oh keep denying and denying and denied and soon enough the site called the new sites distract with raising L. and you and you will write it out and that's what I think we are seeing and put the regional. I have to give the Puerto Ricans credit. They took to the streets where are Americans. I don't understand into staff in my generation because of the Vietnam War people were out all the time in the streets for in Puerto Rico. Hey those streets somebody has dangled day. We need a leader to go out there and get people activated. I believe in always wanting to normalize what is not normal except that people understand the seriousness of what's going on really. Don't what it so. I understand that <hes> incentive that some people just can't take it because I know how upset at all of us are every day when we come in reasons and I do understand the emotional how emotionally draining it as Americans he can't help. I don't fault people on the weekend who wanted turn off the news for a few days. I think it's what he's going to necklace same. I'm totally addicted to it. It's like heroin but that's just what you have to pay for. The answer isn't no information. I think the answer is more information so educate yourself. Everybody Watches Muller next year clause before the elections and this here's the here's the part that really worries me. This is going to get worse. This is worse because he's a desperate dog now. He's a trapped rack. Never got what he's GonNa. Do you've been saying that he's a trapped rather. We'll be right back. We're doorstep is democratic. Presidential candidate John Hickenlooper campaign really falling apart. How does he plan to take on the front runners in the next debate and why won't condemn ice protesters replacing American flags with Mexico's? He's live on the view next twenty twenty Democratic presidential field seems to grow more crowded by the day Forma Colorado Governor. John Hickenlooper is running as a moderate Democrat and these here today to tell us how he's going to distinguish himself from other moderates you know like Joe Biden for example is welcome John Hickenlooper anything you heard a strong about you want to just say before we go I agree completely with the communal communal attitude that racist statements can't go unanswered. Why do you think he'd through the base on the bus though that's not good for the base as it no but I think he's has a strategy that is to just create turmoil and keep people divided all people and now that chaos he feels that he has some advantage and whether we like it or not to a certain extent it's worked? You'll come from state with this an enormous amount of Hispanics how. Do you think this will play out in your state races. What gardeners Senate reelection? I think <hes> certain Garner is going to have a hard time. <hes> he has consistently voted with and stood up for president trump and again <hes> Hillary Hillary Clinton one Colorado by almost five points so it's not a state. That's gonna take kindly to someone who again <hes> supports <hes> racist statements okay. Let's talk about you because you I I now. I know that you are a former geologist which is very interesting pub owner. That's really interesting to me. It's interesting. We made our beer. Don't forget that you were the mayor. I'M DENVER TO GOVERNOR OF COLORADO. You have quite a resume Sir so nationally finally you're pulling between zero and one percent I know Heritz doesn't it. <hes> and several of your top staffers recently left you a campaign. I guess there's sinking ship theory that you're not going anywhere and you also say that you're not a good messenger. You have to be a good messenger in this in this race. Don't you think though I think all politics is about how you communicate things and certainly in my life right when I got laid off the geologist and I was trying to start this pub a group of the I grew up in the rocky mountains. It took two two years to raise the money I couldn't get my own mother to invest it was just about but you don't quit and and when I was running for mayor the first time and and two thousand three I I was forty nine years old. I never run for anything I think I'm the only person running for president never ran for student council and I was a one or two or three percent of the polls week after week month after month and you just keep trying to shake shake things up and find new ways of doing things. I think this campaign is wide open. I think most people have really start paying attention yet. If I get my message out I'm the one person of all the people running that has actually done the big progressive things that everyone else is just talking about if I can get people really here that I think especially in places like Iowa New Hampshire where which are very a pragmatic. I think it'd be a lot of people say that's how we're going to beep progressive or moderate which I am pragmatic progressive but right these progressive things that you've accomplished so in Colorado we got to near Universal Missile Healthcare by bringing people together Republicans Democrats created one of the most innovative health healthcare exchanges in the country. We passed universal background checks for gun purchases in a in a purple state and you think about that we we were able to go when I got elected we fortieth and job creation and I made a commitment that we would raise up the whole state so according to U._S.. News and World Report for the last three years with a number one economy in the country and I think one of the number top two or three rural economies. I know that next year higher by the end of next year we'll have broadband in every city in town and the entire state of Colorado. These are the big progressive goals right having a county the word for everybody bring rural and urban the successes share bring them together. That's kind of thing that that this country was built on and I thought you just built you hire new staff staff in the last couple of years a couple of weeks so you're trying to rebuild the campaign and last night C._N._N.. Did Alive drawing to determine the lineups of July thirtieth July thirty first debates Huron. You know what I call the White Knight the other one is in living color. You'RE GONNA BE ON WITH Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. That'll O'Rourke. I do remember from the first debate Amy Club H._R.. Slapped you down. It's pretty hard when you said that line that you're the only one that had done something on on a abortion rights and joys and she said there's three women on the seeking to distinguish yourself how do you how do you distinguish yourself in such that wasn't to me I remember I wasn't on her on her night so all white people how I think when I say that I've I've done what everyone else is talking about. We actually implemented the river when Senator McCain made that decision and and cast the deciding vote to protect for Care Act Yeah <hes> and <hes> John Casick government from Ohio and I worked very hard to show that here's a Republican Democrat who both recognize her problems with the affordable care act but we can improve it and we can go forward rather than backwards and Sarah McCain made that famous statement that we should look to those who have implemented these laws to see whether they work or not or how they can be improved. Healthcare governor isn't healthcare the real thing that Democrats should be pushing. I mean even even a lot of a lot of people in his face or let's say they're racist. Even racists get sick right well. Let's hear our health care. Everybody needs healthcare. Republicans will give you know healthcare healthcare. Am I right exactly and that's that's a big part. You know I ran for I ran for mayor and in two thousand three one of the reasons Iran. Was You know I think government can be smaller sometimes. It's got to be more effective now. Whether it's bigger more governs gotta work. I believe the government in a democracy you have to believe in government. Maybe once smaller maybe wanted to do different things but you've got to believe in government and I felt that too many times Republicans really didn't want it to work in healthcare. You know it's not just getting universal coverage right. I I agree I mean healthcare is a basic right. It's not a privilege right but at the same time we've got to look at inflation and for the last thirty years deflationary costs have healthcare are almost double what the C._p._i.. Is Done Right. That's eating alive our budget. The reason that costs for going to college in public universities has gone up so much because more more states are having to spend more money on healthcare right governor in my humble opinion the reason the Democrats could lose is socialism which I know people say that Republicans are using this as some kind of dirty word to scare people but you said quote if you want to be Donald Trump's socialism is not the answer you were booed very loudly by Democrats at the Convention in California for saying that front runners like Bernie Sanders analysts with Warren <hes> believe in socialism and think that the future is the future of the Party so the question I have for you as more classic moderate Democrat. How do you fight what seems to be the trend of socialism within your party art well? I think that right now we're in the beginning of of this campaign <hes> again. Many people aren't paying attention and always at the beginning you have the more idealistic the more visionary Utopian visions come out and candidates about what what what we can afford socialism well. I think social that's part of the question <hes> some people defined socialism as <hes> social security and yet in reality social security. The employer pays in an equal share with the employees. It's not a big government program per se it's. It's a very shrewd solution to how to make sure people have the ability to retire and I was Roosevelt right that was rose so he's not social and it is a trend in the and the Democratic Party has a growing. Do you think the Democratic Party or or is it a minority. That's getting a lot of <hes>. I think it's time I figured some minority that early in the campaign is looking at these idealistic visions in goals. If you want to re elect Donald Trump. If you want to help reelect I would argue the worst president in American history. Let's go. Let's go try to guarantee a four year conversion to single payer to Medicare for all. Let's let's go out there and guarantee. We're going to every American a federal job. We want you to stay. We're going to another segment with you but it seems to me. The only person who actually says he's a socialist is Bernie Sanders. The rest of them are just ultra liberal in my opinion but you've got to recognize the way trump doesn't tell him to go back home. No never that's right because he's a white guy. We'll be better help offers licensed professional counselors specialized in a wide array of issues like depression anxiety and grief connect with your professional counselor in a safe private online environment government. 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What is your plan to deal with the crippling student debt well? I you have to reduce the interest rate <hes> recapitalize as it were <hes> allow kids getting working off because it's a drag on the economy but we should also be looking at sixty five or seventy percent of the kids that never get a four year degree. Make sure they have the skills to succeed. What about the green new dealer you and supportive that you know I am? I'm obsessed with the urgency of climate change but I think we have to have a fierce focus and the new deal will distract got a guarantee for federal job for every person wants one. I think we've got to focus on climate change. <hes> what about closing the racial wealth gap. What are your thoughts on that and we'll reparations be part of that? I think slavery is the nagging persistent shame in this country to to this day day denies the promise of America too many of its citizens and I think we need to acknowledge it and own it. I think to do that. We have to apologize. I think that apology should come from the White House. <hes> there's a bill right now in Congress and looks at reparations I support that bill we should we should look into it and and and and you know really make sure that we understand it and that that apology becomes a foundational which we finally do move past the history of slavery and are you in favor of decriminalizing illegal border crossings yeah. I don't think we can have open borders and if you want to again. Democrats want to give the election to Donald Trump. Let's support open borders. I think we have to have a comprehensive solution of into immigration right now. The time is perfect. We have seven point five million jobs unfilled only six point five million people looking. Let's do it right now. There was a protests in your home state of Colorado at an ice facility and those protesters took down the American flag and then raised Mexican flag in its place. We have photo of it. Do you condemn that behavior you know they they damaged and and tore apart government property they should be charged. I look back and and I understand families that are connected to the military that my mother's first husband was a fighter pilot Mobutu. He fought every mission is one three people survived survived through all their missions. He fought on d day and he died on a freak accident. The day before he's discharged victory in Europe and I heard stories growing up about what it was like not know whether your husband's made through this mission made it through that mission and does an ongoing constant anxiety and when my grandfather told my mother husband died she just kept scrubbing the floor. I understand what the American flag means and it should never be disrespected but I also support the freedom of speech our thanks to John Hickenlooper and just quickly what are in in in as beach bag this summer find out win. 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It tells the story of a young couple in love who leave their military rule Nigeria for America they young woman hoping for a better education experiences racism in American culture discovering for the first time what it means to be a black person her boyfriend had hoped to join her in America but has denied a visa after nine eleven so he goes to London as an undocumented immigrant years later they meet up in Nigeria and you'll have to read the book to find out what happens and the second one want the second one is a Pulitzer Prize winning nine hundred sixty classic Tequila Mockingbird my heart Murli I read Tequila mockingbird like so many of us as as a kid and after seeing the play here recently on Broadway it's still salon until November. If you're in town go see it. 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John Hickenlooper's 2020 Bid: Rural County Aid, Rejecting Socialism And More
"This message comes from on points sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed, you can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions, then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From NPR WBU are Boston. I'm Sasha Pfeiffer. And this is on point. It's pretty hard to stand out in the crowded democratic field in these early days of the twenty twenty presidential race. Each candidate has to decide how they plan to position themselves as a progressive warrior toughened determined enough to take on the GOP and President Trump or middle of the road pragmatist who can bring us together in very divided times. Former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper is very much in the latter camp. He's a centrist. He says he has progressive values, but he thinks that socialism or at least the term, socialism is a liability for Democrats. John Hickenlooper is with me in the studio today to explain why he's running for president and why he thinks voters should vote for him Desai were on point. John Hickenlooper on his run for the presidency listeners join us. What's your question for twenty twenty democratic candidate? John Hickenlooper, do you think he's too moderate to last in the big current field of candidates, or see exactly the sort of candidate who appeal? To democratic voters in the end. Join us anytime at on point radio dot org, or on Twitter and Facebook at on point radio. And before we turn to candidate Hickenlooper, we want to get a quick update on the state of play in the twenty twenty race. So joining me from Boston is Jane Pendle. He covers politics and the twenty twenty presidential campaign for the Boston Globe. James, thanks for joining me. Great to talk with you again, Sasha. So James, we have a debate, a presidential debate for the Democrats coming up later this month. Tell us how that's going to be structured, where how many people how many on stage how handle that volume. Well, it's getting to be a bit of a circus, the, this is going to be twenty candidates will appear on the stage for over two nights. So be ten in one night, intended another night, they have not done the lottery yet, that is later this week in terms of who will appear alongside who and on which night, this will be held in Miami. You'll be aired on MSNBC Antill a Muno and we began to we learned today, who the moderators would be, including Lester. Holt and others this'll be over two hours again. Ten people on the stage each night, and it will be in Miami. You mentioned a lottery or is it random choosing in terms of who's on the stage with who else? That's right. I mean clearly the network would like a lot of drama between maybe say, Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden, but apparently, it's going to be a lottery system to determine who will appear on what night. And realistically, does that mean that any individual candidate gets very limited airtime. Yes. But I will point out that you do have ten candidates have expanded over the course of two hours, does not mean by any means that a person who is less well-known will get the same amount of time as someone who is more. Well known. You know, one thing that's really happening ahead of this debate is that this is becoming a contest already of the haves and have nots over the weekend poll was put out by the demoain register about the race there in Iowa. And you saw basically only four candidates with double digit support. And in comma Harris at seven percent coming in a strong fifth and then everyone else was at one or two or zero percent including when percent being John Hickenlooper are upcoming guest. I'm wondering as someone who has covered so many of these, do you feel like these are effective for voters to see so many people on a stage. At one time, it, does it help inform. People in terms of do they want to vote for. You know, it's unclear I think a lot of people felt a lot of criticism about the way that the Republicans did it in twenty sixteen. They also had an extremely large field of seventeen candidates. Democrats now have twenty four candidates in the way, though, those worked out in the early stages is they had and main stage with the big candidates that called the varsity debate. And then they had a junior varsity debate that would be earlier in the night in those lower tier candidates would try to bump themselves up into the top tier debate. That is not happening this time the Democrats say they're trying to make it more organized and try to highlight the diverse voices in this party at not just ideologically. But of course demographically and James before you go. I have of course, John Hickenlooper in front of me, if you were here, interviewing his is there one key question you'd be asking him. You know. Yes. On a human level. You know, he's really close friends with another candidate running for president, Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett was a longtime friend of his served as his chief of staff, when Hickenlooper was the mayor of Denver Hickenlooper, then appointed him to be the superintendent of schools in Denver. And from there is where Michael Bennett was then appointed by different governor to serve in the US Senate. So Hickenlooper got in the race early and then now he seen his friend in this person. He's helped promote challenge him now to run for president and they're both scrapping it out at one percent at, at a human level. Is he disappointed as he frustrated? Does he feel like his friend turned his back on him here, I guess some level, I'm curious about that. All right. We'll make sure he answers that. I that's James Pennzoil covers politics on the twenty twenty presidential campaign for the Boston Globe. James, thank you. Thank you. And again with me now in the studio is former Colorado governor and current democratic president for candidate for president John Hickenlooper. Governor Hickenlooper welcome to on point affect you. Sasha's my pleasure. And so since that question is fresh in the air. Would you answer that question again? Michael Bennett running. How do you feel about a friend former colleague in the race with you? Well, politics is nothing. If, if not sometimes awkward Michael's an old friend. He is super smart, and we have very different backgrounds. He spent the last almost ten years in Washington, I spent the last ten years in Colorado, so we bring different perspectives. But I think he adds value. I in terms of the things he cares about. He's probably the, the top expert on education in the US Senate. And I'm sure he's going to bring that up again. And again, how our education, Simpson's falling down since he's only a one percent another one percent. It's not like he's taken a lot away from me. So you feel like you can still cheer for a friend without jeopardizing your own candidate. Exactly. I think I could still do. I'm going to I'm going to cheer quietly. So for voters who do not know you. Well, you have a very. Varied background some science. Some business give people sort of the sixty second version of how you got to where you are today while I started out as a geologist him out to Colorado as an expiration geologist than the commodity prices tanked, our company got sold. I got laid off as out of work for. Over your almost two years and ended up opening with a couple of friends of brew pub, and it's funny when you're out of work for a long time you begin to see a different person in the mirror. And yet when I opened that brew I new is doing something. I'd be a hundred times at a hundred times better at than I was a geologist. And so we, we you know, it was seventy hours a week for the first few years, but it became a success. Why did you think you'd be better at that than geology 'cause I walked in? I'm an extrovert and I walked in that first day when we opened finally got it opened after a year and a half trying to raise money. My mother wouldn't invest we had your mother would not in the dot invest she disapprove of the business. Don't she just thought who wants to dinner in a brewery? I mean, this is back in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven nine hundred eighty eight when no, there were no brewpubs. So the rent where we were in, in Denver was one dollar per square foot per year. So it was an abandoned warehouse district, no one thought it would work and yet we opened and I put a team together, and I love to having all these different people and. Thinking about how to make them more successful. And it turns out that I was a manager. I was I was an entrepreneur. Stroke of luck because eventually chorus field opened nearby, and that meant the area boomed in area that previously been relatively derelict, but that was seven years after we opened. And I think the one of the reasons they put course field there was because we and other restaurants here, all work together. We start buying coffee, cups and pint classes together, we chipped in on, you know, ads in the Denver post, and we help create Lodo it was lower downtown boo started being called Lodo, and really transformed it into one of the national models for urban revitalization do you feel like that experience gave you business bona fides that countenance race? Oh, sure. Because I went from there. We went, I opened another fourteen brewpubs most of the all in the wet midwest. But all in abandoned warehouse districts in downtown's I create over a thousand jobs created over twenty businesses. I learned I learned firsthand that a true entrepreneur defines himself define success, not by how many times you say you're fired. But how many times you say you're hired? And we. We, we demonstrated the ability to create jobs and part of what I'm running on is, I think I've got the best chance of beating Trump because he promised. All these people jobs and didn't deliver. I've created thousands of jobs in, in, in the private sector, but when I came in as governor, we were fortieth and job creation for the last three years, Colorado's number one, a commune the country. So I think there's a real credibility point there in terms of I've done, you know what, what Trump said he was going to do. And I've also done what all the other candidates have said you talked about the two year period when you were out of work after having been laid off you made a reference to you, you see different person than mirror. I see what you mean as a lesser person. You start to doubt yourself. You have less confidence. Do you feel like that gives you a way to connect with people who are struggling with jobs, who live in parts of the country, where the Connie has now not bounced back the way it has on some of the coasts? Absolutely. I think you know, I'm running for president because we are facing a national crisis of division. And a lot of that division is rural versus urban. And I think I understand what those rural people feel having having been left behind by the by the this rapidly emerging technology, this new economy and having lived through that. And having really worked in Colorado to lift up, not just the the urban economies, but the rural economy as well. I think I can speak to those folks, I wanna pay play a piece of your campaign commercial released in March, this is when you announced your run for the White House, and here's the portion. I want our listeners to hear. I'm John Hickenlooper? I'm running for president because we're facing a crisis that threatens everything we stand for is a skinny kid with coke bottle glasses in a funny last name. I've stood up to my fair share of bullies standing tall when it matters is one of the things really drives, one of the things that people have focused on in that ad as you talk about I've stood up to my fair share, bullies people naturally wonder if you're talking about Donald Trump, and I think you've equivocated a bit when people have asked, our use explicit is that a veil. Reference to Trump. No saw Vail. I've never equivocated to my knowledge. It Donald Trump is he's a classic bully bullies are almost always, generally not almost always been generally, insecure, and narcissistic, and they, they wanna be the center of attention, but they don't have a lot of confidence. So they have this bravado, and they attacked people, and you get you have these really thick classes the name like Hickenlooper. My dad was got very sick. When is five he died pay passed away? Right. When I turned eight so I didn't have a lot of confidence and I dealt with bullies day in and day out. And many people describe he was having a very nice guy even all shucks demeanor. Do you think that personality can take on a person like Donald Trump who is willing to fight very fiercely? Oh, of course. So I got elected mayor of Denver and Denver's strong mayor system of government got elected, mayor twice of Denver, I became governor twice. Those are bitter, you know that's. Bare knuckle brawling in those elections. I'm talking with presidential hopeful Democrat, John Hickenlooper. What are your litmus test issues? You can weigh in and ask him what he thinks about abortion, climate change immigration taxes. The budget even conservatives listening out there Republicans is John Hickenlooper, the kind of politician who can get votes from people like you. I'm Sasha Pfeiffer. This is on point. 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My guest today is democratic presidential hopeful, John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado and former mayor of Denver, did you cheer for him when he got booed, and California for warning Democrats to steer clear of the word socialism or did you cheer for those who bullied him, do you think his brand of democrat is what Democrats and the country need, and what can get elected? Follow us on Twitter and find us on Facebook at on point radio and John Hickenlooper. I want to spend some time on this socialism issue because you have spoken out very strongly about this. You've said that socialism is not the answer. And you've said that, if Republicans are able to brand Democrats as socialist that becomes a weapon they can use against Democrats that it gives the idea that it's that it's that it's a fringe and extreme position that might make Democrats actually lose certain races. So I wanna play two pieces of tape. One was at the California Democratic party convention last week. You're there with other candidates. And here's what happened when you brought up the issue of socialism in the liability of that word. This universal coverage by removing private insurance from over one hundred and fifty million Americans. We should not try to tackle climate change by guaranteeing every American government job. Hold on. Hold on. The Democratic Party we have to create a vision for this country, and here's another point during that same California Democratic party convention last week if we want to be Donald Trump and it cheap big progressive goals. Socialism is not the answer. I was reelected. I was re-elected in a purple state in two thousand fourteen one of the worst year for Democrats in a quarter century so pretty strong negative reaction from some quarters to that. You know, some people, including a former White House press secretary has said you made it very important important point there that, that could potentially be a weapon Republicans. Other people have said, they wish you may be had put it differently at do you feel like at this point, you want to rephrase anyway, you explain that, or do you want to clarify? How you feel. I'd like to reemphasize that socialism is not the answer. Right. The this notion of the, the new green deal Garin part of it guarantees every American government job. I, I don't think that's going to sell in the mid west, you know, this notion of, of universal healthcare Medicare for all, and you're going to ask one hundred over one hundred million people that are happy with the private insurance to give up that private insurance again, not the not the way to do it. And I think what I've done in Colorado demonstrates that you can do these big progressive things without massive expansions of government. We got to near universal healthcare coverage in a bipartisan legislature. We went from being fortieth and job creation, to the number one Connie in the country for the last three years. And we beat the NRA with tough tough new gun laws. I mean, in many ways, I think I've done what everyone else is talking about, we've achieved these big progressive goals, but we didn't need to go to massive government expansions, which I don't think. To sell in Ohio and Michigan and North Carolina. We got a good question from a listener on Facebook. This is Jeremy Malay. I may be pronouncing his last name incorrectly. And he writes, I would like John Hickenlooper to sincerely define what he thinks socialism is, if you could ask him that I'd be satisfied, socialism, isn't just one thing. It covers a wide range of political philosophical and economic policies and ideologies. So how do you define socialism, or if it's a great question? And I think the problem is that in America. Now the word has baggage in and of itself. So the strict definition, I mean, we could we could go back and forth for a half an hour, but I think a massive expansion of government were government is taking over large parts of the economy or people's lives, is what in a country that we've always celebrated our freedom so much that the word brings a lot of baggage and could be used against Democrats. If you go back and look at the midterms, where Democrats were so successful in all those swing districts we had. Pretty moderate candidates who talking about big progressive things, but there are careful to not use massive government expansion as as her method to achieve the progressive goals. Let's turn to a caller in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. This is Daniel Daniel, welcome to on point. And what is your what are your thoughts or questions for John Hickenlooper? Hi, thank you very much for taking my call. I like to make a quick comment. I and that's just, I'm very happy to hear democratic candidate who's actually dissuading voters from socialism, because I know that, that's a lot, a lot of people are being pushed for candidates like Trump because so many candidates in the democratic side are going so far laugh. And my follow up question is, how do you plan on expanding social rights and issues without increasing already massive deficit, which has grown under Trump when he's going to reduce it. That's another great question. Trump has done almost the opposite of what he's promised he promised. He's going to help rural people and, and factory workers, get new jobs that really hasn't happened. He thought it was going to crease trained, his tariffs have done the opposite. And certainly he has increased the, the national deficit to a level people can't even imagine. So I think what we have to do is control our, our, our spending. We can't the new administration wants. I defeat Trump that the new administration can come in and just go, you know, hot wild borrowing money to for this program or that. But I think if we restrain and focus on the things that don't take a lot of money, right? Like expanding community colleges and skills based training for the two thirds of Americans that, that never going to get or never have had a four year degree, those concert expansions aren't that expensive, right? In other business would love to help pay for the expansion of of community colleges. So we focus on that. And then as the. Connie grows. And I you know, I think I can get this Connie from, you know, now it's under three percent of the last reports it could be as low as two and a half percent. Maybe even below that for this next quarter, I think we can get up to four percent, and that's as you control costs. You've also got to grow the economy, so that you, you, you basically grow your way out of this massive deficit. Let's also turn to a color from Detroit, Michigan. This is Michael Michael, you're on the air welcomes on point. I, I'd like to thank the governor for his service, and wishing the belts on the campaign trail in advance of the upcoming debate. I would like to give the governor a chance to answer what I think would should be the first question in twenty sixteen campaign. The first Republican debate the host asked all on stage with a show of hands, if they would accept the results of the primary election. And I think the first question this time around should be with a show of hands, because it is a binary choice. Do you think Donald Trump should be impeached based on the information you have today? So that's the, the tough question that we get asked all the time and the key. I think we should follow the evidence. I think we should start an impeachment inquiry so that we can use get to make sure that we can compel witnesses and, and gathered the information to see exactly where the trail of facts lead us. But let's not make. Any mistake about what Mitch McConnell is going allow happen in the Senate, we will never be able to impeach Donald Trump that we need to get the facts and put it out there, but we have to be Donald Trump at the ballot box. And otherwise, I mean, the Mitch McConnell just he wouldn't even let America Arlen become a supreme court Justice, when I mean, the, the most moderate judges, you could ever hope to have Mitch McConnell's not gonna let us impeach Donald Trump. So we have to recognize that, and even as we get the facts on just exactly what collaboration President Trump's campaign had with a hostile power. I mean, I'm I'm amazed. Think about no one's arguing President Trump's not arguing that he didn't collaborate with the Russian government in his campaign. That's not that's not what he's being investigated for its is the real questions, did, he obstruct Justice, the fact that we have a president who openly acknowledges that he collaborated with a foreign hostile government that he knew. Wanted to interfere and change our election. Incomprehensible. But the colors question, let's say they were an increase in the Democrats decided they did want to move forward with an impeachment. Do you believe that if they felt they had the facts to do it? They should go forward and spend the time and energy doing that do the articles of impeachment what the inquiry. I know what the articles I disagree. I think that, that in the end that will defeat us and they'll be a bunch of hubbub Trump lives on division. Right. That's what I I'm running for president because I believe we are facing a national crisis of division and Trump is fueling it. We have to figure out how to keep ourselves from getting divided in playing into his own to into playing into his hands. You're saying, do the inquiry get the facts if the facts are negative, get them out there, but stop at that point, and then move on. Yeah. I mean, of course the facts, go to a certain point. And the and there's an overwhelming tidal wave of pressure on Mitch McConnell conceivably, but Mitch McConnell hasn't so far in no way displayed any kind of conscience or, or moral responsibility to the American people. So I don't. -ticipant. He's suddenly going to change. And by the way, did you are you saying that you believe Trump acknowledged he collaborated with a foreign government? The, the campaign has no one is arguing that they, they shared polling data with the Russian government, clearly, we're doing that, if they didn't think that the Russian government was going to be some use. Let's turn to another caller. This is Mike calling from Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Mike, welcome to on point. You're on the air. Hi, governor looking forward to seeing in New Hampshire I was curious. You may have hinted at it a moment ago. Kim says, though, the conservative side is very good at painting with a pejoratives, and I've noticed a shocking decline in the respect that I have for the executive office because of just the personal attacks that Trump is leveling against people and social media Twitter cetera. How do you fight without swinging mud and still look strong without stooping to their level? Well, that's again another good question, I think you have to use facts and every time he lies or, or, or dissemble the truth, we have to pointed out and hold them accountable, but you can't you can't throw mud at him then you're just in everybody gets covered with mud, I think, humor is something that has been under appreciated. When I was a kid. Was very probably the most successful way to fight a bully is to take the what they're saying when they're trying to hurt you and attack you and twisted a little bit, and, and make them the object of, of their own scorn. In other words, once what they've said, has been twisted and people begin to laugh at them. They don't know what to do. Go back and look on YouTube, when President Trump was addressing the general assembly of the UN and bragging, and all of a sudden various members, the general assembly start laughing. He suddenly didn't know what to do in for thirty forty seconds. He was speechless, I think that technique again, you've gotta you gotta go back and hammer him with the facts again. And again just keep coming back those facts, you promised jobs, you promised that, that rural America was going to do better. You know, soybean farmers in Iowa. Now they would need eight consecutive, good years to get back to where they were two years ago. I mean, we're going to see probably the the the law. Largest number of farm bankruptcies in the next year or two than we've seen probably since the nineteen eighty s this is how President Trump completes his promises listeners, we have here in the on point studio. Democratic presidential candidate John Hickenlooper running for president in two thousand twenty and John, we have a full board. So let's go to Mason calling from lakeland, Florida. Mason, welcome to on point in you're on the air. Hi, good day today. My question is about how you saying Trump hasn't delivered on jobs. When I don't have the numbers in front of me, but our unemployment numbers for blacks is the lowest unemployment in recorded history for other minorities. It's, it's like lowest in thirty years and overall. It's like lowest in thirty five years, or something like that. I don't have the number of front of me but it's extremely low how is not delivered on jobs because what he promised was better jobs in higher paying jobs. He's going to replace the jobs that were lost in the nineteen eighties. You know if you draw the curve from, from the great recession which began in two thousand eight two thousand nine and, and what President Trump did to turn that around and keep that recession from turning into a great depression, the, the line of unemployment. The, the reduction in unemployment has been a flat line. In other words, it hasn't changed since Trump got elected president. So sure their unemployment is down because it's been going down consistently for ten. Ten years. It's hard to see how he can claim credit for that. What he hasn't illiterate on is more jobs in the rural areas, he hasn't delivered on bringing jobs back to those parts of the midwest. And the and the rust belt that that had lost so many and I think in an election like this going out and saying, are you really better off now than you were before? They're awful lot of people that when they actually look look down at their where they are in life. They're not better off. And I think they'll, they'll, they'll be unhappy when they have to face that reality, and, you know, they're gonna call Trump to task. We also have a caller from Montgomery, Alabama. This is Laura, Laura. You're on air. Welcome to on point. Thank you for having me today. I have a question. I'm a child of the Vietnam war era, and the Cold War, and eventually the Gulf war. And I just wondering what your opinion, our your stance is on threats of war? And for instance North Korea and their constant threat of nuclear war and practice nuclear testing against South Korea. For instance. Well, you know what I talk about foreign affairs? I talk about constant engagement and I think that places like North Korea are genuine risk. I think they are we need to make sure that we are having a constant engagement with their diplomats. Same thing with, with China, China was stealing intellectual properties cheating on their international. Greets by all means we had to address that, but these tariff wars are hurting our economy and I don't think they're making us any safer and certainly when you look at at at, at North Korea we have to isolate it and continue doing the same things that, that President Obama did. And the President Trump is doing. I'm not quibbling without I do think treating despots as with with respect and giving them a platform by. Which they can spread false information is probably not good public policy for the country, but I do I do believe that we got to reach out to everyone, though. The one thing I have the biggest problem on with President Trump's foreign policy is it he is alienated and turn his back on our closest allies. And, you know, we create NATO at the end of World War, Two to try and keep this world safe to make sure we never had another World War and suddenly for the first time in, in my lifetime, our NATO partners are wondering whether they can depend on the United States. Whether we'll be there when they need us. And I think that's a question that the United States needs to answer loudly, and boldly that we are still committed to our strategic alliances and that we treat our our allies as our closest partners. We only have about maybe forty five seconds left for this question. But I want to bring up age because you talked about the word socialism, having some baggage it primarily has that baggage for people who lived through the Cold War saw the effect of socialism on eastern European. Entries. What about younger people who can't really identify with that? How do you how do you address that age gap? You have between you and younger voters. Well, I think you've got to find ways to paint pick paint pictures with words, and that's my challenge is, I've got to demonstrate how, what socialism did for working people, especially they suffered the most in those socialist countries. Do you know how you would paint that picture working on? Maybe we'll do it in the next segment. We're talking with democratic presidential candidate John Hickenlooper about the twenty twenty presidential race his platform, his prospects where the country's today joined the conversation, what do you want to ask John Hickenlooper what questions you have about his positions go to us on Facebook on Twitter. I'm Sasha Pfeiffer. This is on point. Hey, it's been an Azari and we're the hosts of endless thread, the show, featuring stories found on the website Reddit, but you don't have to be a Reddit or to enjoy the kinds of stories. We tell like a couple experimenting with non monogamy or boredom that may have predicted the attack on Pearl Harbor. Subscribe to endless threat on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. We're back with a new season of rough translation this time. We are following people break the rule in lying is part of the business. Opinion, the best revenge against ISIS. Humane supposed to pinch. Episodes every other Wednesday. Subscribe, this is on point. I'm Sasha Pfeiffer. We're talking with former Colorado. Governor Democrat John Hickenlooper about why he's running for president what his positions are, what is beliefs. Are why he wants your vote? You can join the conversation. Let us know anything about him disqualifies him in your mind. What you like about his ideas, what you reject about them. If you're Republican, if you lean conservative, even if you don't have a dog in the fight in the Democrats fight for the nomination, your opinion is still part of this conversation. Follow us on Twitter and finance on Facebook at on point radio. John Hickenlooper, I want to turn to the issue of guns earlier in this hour, you made a reference to how when you were Colorado governor, you beat the NRA that's your words, I believe, Colorado, under your governorship past universal background checks band high capacity weapons. You were governor during extreme tragedy in, in Colorado. The Aurora movie theater shooting. I wanna play piece of sound of you speaking last month before the Chicago council of global affairs about gun control. We have to look at how we're going to change the culture of this country. And we can't go and say, we're gonna take guns away from everyone or anyone. Right. That's, that's going to trigger a, a full throated defense of the second amendment. That's, that's a waste of everybody's time. But we should begin looking at things like universal background checks in every state, so you say, we don't wanna take, we don't want to take guns away from everyone, but Colorado did ban high capacity weapons. So you think there are guns that have their place in ones that don't we band high capacity magazines there? I there's gotta be some advances beyond where we are now in one of the things I mean, we look at before someone can drive automobile, they have to pass a driver's test, and they get a driver a driver's license. Why shouldn't there also be a license for buying a gun so that, you know, you have to take a test to demonstrate you know how to handle? A firearm and safely store it in the same sets most states, we have hunter safety classes, when young people wanna get one hundred hunting license. They have to pass a test before. They get the hunting Lices. Why not have passes to be able to buy a gun after the Aurora, Colorado shooting happened. You had made a comment that basically tends to be a comment argument from gun control opponents, and you had said, look, this guy was diabolical, even if he, he would have found a way to get those weapons anyway. That made people think that you might not be planning to support some gun control. But then you did is this an issue that you feel you have changed or volved on your thinking over time, certainly, if you recognize that we are having over almost one mass shooting day and by mass shooting, I'm saying four people shot is the data that I was shown, everyone has to evolve the we cannot accept the risk that we are subjecting our kids when kids go to school when our kids are in their neighborhoods. Kids, shooting kids, become all too common. So, yes, I've all I think, after the Aurora shooting, I felt, it was very important to try and keep the politics out of the discussion in the immediate aftermath of the of the tragic because people were mourning the vote the loss. Another issue that you have changed, or evolved on overtime has to do with marijuana, Colorado. Of course was a pioneer early on in legalizing recreational marijuana. Here is a debate you did back in two thousand fourteen when you're running for re election, as governor of Colorado, Colorado, headed this point legalized marijuana two years earlier, I think twenty twelve and you actually warned other governors to think very carefully before they legalize marijuana in their states. Here's how you put it. That looks at doing this before we see what the consequences are. I would you it as reckless tell you, it was in requis here in the state to do it? You know, I think that for us to do that, without having all the data that there is not enough data and to a certain extent you could say it was reckless. I'm not saying records quoted everywhere. But if it was up to me, I wouldn't have done it. And here you are five years later being quoted on that again. Do you look back and think you were treading Perlis ground by approving that and hoping for the best? Why didn't approve it? I post it. I voted against it. I wrote you know, I posted everywhere I could. But the things we most feared haven't happened. We did not see a spike in youth consumption. We do not see an increase in, in youth or anybody driving while high. I think that the old system where we sent millions of kids. Mostly from low income backgrounds. We sent millions of kids to prison, we made many of them felons so that their their entire. Lives were made more difficult that was an awful system and I think what we're seeing now and our data's based on over twenty thousand surveys twenty thousand people surveyed every two years on public health service survey used the state. So when I say, we don't see we don't see a spike in consumption have good fact basis for that we, we've seen an increase in one demographic, that senior citizens, I think the federal government shouldn't tell other states like Alabama made that they have to legalize marijuana. But I think the federal government should decriminalize it, and in those states where they've chosen to legalize it, they should allow it to be banked. They should you know, they should take marijuana off remove it as declassified as a schedule one narcotic so that those states that have legalize it can safely implement a new system. I mean states are the laboratories of democracy. This is going to turn out. I think to be one of those places where a lot of us thought the worst, and yet the new system is going to be better. We have a listener on Twitter. Tatyana cicconi. Who asks this cannabis has flourished, and Colorado. Could we expect Hickenlooper to push federal legalization? No, I think what, what I was just describing that we would, I would suggest we decriminalize it, once you desertified as a schedule one narcotic, then finally, we can do research. I don't think there's any question that cabin oil and, and in some cases cannabis has real medical benefits, but we have not been able to do the vertical integrated studies to demonstrate our their side effects. What does it work for just like we do for every other drug? So let's not the FDA start testing marijuana. Left-foot department of agriculture make sure that they're not harmful pesticides being used. Let's do the things that the federal government -sposed to do to make sure that we keep our citizens safe. Let's turn to a caller from Iowa City, Iowa. This is Matt. Matt, welcome to appoint an you're on the air. What does your lack of leadership and outright hostility towards the marijuana industry say about your illegi to understand the modern economy, economy and ability to seek out opportunities for growth? Well, I'm not sure you might not heard what I just said. But I am a supporter of making sure the federal government allows every state that wants to, to be able to go out and legalize it. I'm not sure what more you you want. But of my ability to create growth, as I said, Colorado, when I got elected in two thousand ten and I think it's worth pointing out I was the first Denver mayor to get elected governor of Colorado in one hundred twenty years. So I had I had repaired a lot of the adversarial, feelings between city and suburb between the metro area and the rural area but we were forty job creation when I got elected governor, and now for the last three years, according to US news and World Report where the number one Connie in the country. So I think that's a fair demonstration that I can create jobs and, and, and really helping commie grow as we grew. I think it's worth saying also that we've, we've tried to make sure we're not just the most pro business state in the country, but high. Biased environmental standards, highest ethical standards. We, you know, we're the only state where we got the oil and gas industry to sit down with the environmental community and create methane regulations. Methane is twenty five times more harmful than CO, two no other stated ever, regulate regulated. And yet are the only gases should paid the sixty million dollars a year to, to implement these regulations. It's the equivalent of taking three hundred twenty thousand cars year off the road. So my argument is I've actually done these big progressive things. Other people talk about, but without a big government expansion and at the same time dramatically expanding our economy. We have a caller from Hilton Head island, South Carolina. This is Julie Julie, you're on the air. Welcome to on point. Hi John, I, I wanna say that the next democratic presidential candidate is going to have to have some teeth when it comes to the supreme court we saw what great links. The Republicans were willing to go to, to get cabinet calving on the court. What are you going to do in order to preserve the civil liberties that we are, are apparently now fighting for that? We've had for over four decades. Are you going to be willing to pack the court? What kind of links are you going to go to in order to make sure that the supreme court is actually a Representative judicial body of America as it stands today, and not what Republicans with like it to stand for? Well, I mean. America is based on the notion that, that everyone is equal and has certain inalienable rights when a good example would be I believe a woman's right to control her own body, and that is obviously under constant assault. And I would make sure that the supreme court if they if the supreme court goes out and tries to reverse Roe versus Wade, I would do whatever was necessary to repair that 'cause I believe that is a fundamental human, right? I think that packing the court, you know, adding to more more progressive. Judges is not a is not a good solution again in extreme circumstance such as reverse the reversal of Roe versus Wade. I might I might have to go that to that direction. But the bottom line is once a democrat puts into judges. And the next administration Republican puts in two more judges than democrat puts into more judges. You end up with, you know, larger supreme court than his officiant, or effective. So I feel. You know, this whole assault on women's rights and access to healthcare, we with the ops in Colorado. We actually expanded women's access to health care, we provide long acting reversible contraception. UD's Norplant's to every woman all across the state who, who wanted it. And we actually over the course of eight years reduced teenage abortions by sixty four percent. We reduce teenage pregnancy by fifty four percent. We actually saved in the process, Colorado, taxpayers, seventy million dollars. And as president, I would I would expand access for a full spectrum of women's healthcare in every state and make sure that every woman has has the opportunity to control their own body. And because abortion is such a gigantic issue. Would you tell listeners your position on abortion? Yeah. Absolutely. I believe that, that part of a woman's nail. Right, is control room body, and that means that she determines what happens to her body. And if in her or her doctors. In their discussion between between the doctor and a woman, they make the final decision. And if abortion, is that decision and they, they have the right to do that abortion, at any limits in your mind. So for people for whom late stage pregnancy abortion is just reprehensible, do you feel like it's still a women's choice. It is in most cases and literally literally almost every case it is only it, is it only happens when a woman's life is in danger or the or the consequences of pregnancy are, are so dire that then abortion happens in that late in a pregnancy. Exactly. It's it, it almost never happens. Let's turn to a caller from Leesburg, Alabama. This is Mary Mary, you're on the air. What comes on point? Thank you. My question for you is how what if you were present, how do you plan on addressing the refugee and immigration crisis on all of our borders? And I had one thing, which is I believe John Hickenlooper that we, you, you're a strong supporter for resettling Syrian refugees, and Colorado. Is that correct this, so we have this country was based on immigration? And and our character as when I was raised in elementary school. We, we heard again, and again, that we are the melting pot and we have serious problems right now on the on multiple Boras. But especially on our southern border. We have to invest the money to make sure we have more trained professionals that can handle this surge, and people seeking asylum and seeking refugee status. It's a very difficult process. If you ever talked to people that have gone through the process as a refugee to get asylum to, to, to be admitted legally. In this country. It's many years. And most of those years are in refugee camps were very harsh living circumstances are feeling is that if someone has achieved legal status, they should be allowed to have a job and live your legally, and they should also be able to build their life year. In other words, they should be able to avail themselves of what it takes to be an American over a period of time. We have to make sure that we're expanding our capacity as much as possible to, to accommodate some of the challenges in the world, and that means I think balancing out, how many refugees are held at the border versus how many are, you know, coming into some, some more interior city, John Hickenlooper in the few minutes, we have left with you. I wanna talk about your chances of actually winning, which seem very slim to big field. You have a name recognition problem. I think it's fair to say a polling mini polls. You barely reg. Stir in first quarter. This year, I think you raised about two million dollars compared to Bernie centers twenty million you're still in this. How do you what do you want to achieve in a what point do you decide it's time to it's time to decide to call it quits. Why Iowa New Hampshire are the key states, obviously there so early that they can really change people's minds. And I feel most voters haven't made up their minds are still thinking, and I look at the all the other candidates, and my role as an entrepreneur when after I got laid off, I started not just one restaurant but fifteen restaurants, twenty businesses and then I was mayor of Denver. We create major. Major police reform. When I got there, we got universal pre-k, we got all the suburban mayors. Republicans Democrats everyone thirty four mayors in unanimously support a taxi crease to build fast tracks the most ambitious. Transmission in American history? I feel I'm the one person running, who's actually done what everyone else is talking about. I've created the big progressive change that others kind of imagining or making proposals for. And I think when I get out and can talk to people in Iowa and New Hampshire. They hear that. I think I've got a high, a high yield rate is what we've been calling it that once people hear me they go that is someone who would make a good president, and especially that is someone who can beat Donald Trump. So I feel I'm the one person doing what everyone else says, they've done, we got to near universal healthcare in a bike, bipartisan way we beat the NRA with tough gun laws. We create the number one economy in the country. This is what? The voters are going to look for and how has it been? How hard has it been to raise money when people like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, her soaking up, so much of the money out there? Well, raising money is hard. I think it's difficult. Also because there are so many candidates. So, so many people have their hands out and the only one or two percent of Americans ever donate money to a political campaign, but, you know, it's just like anything in my life would when I try to start the brew pub, people said it wouldn't work when I ran for mayor. I mean I'd never even run for student council people said, that would never win just have to work harder. When things are toughest is when you have to work hard, as that's John Hickenlooper. He's the former governor of Colorado former mayor of Denver and now a democratic candidate for president John Hickenlooper. Thank you for your time, and for coming to the studio by pleasure. Thanks so much, and listeners, you continue the conversation and get the point podcast at our website on point radio dot org. You can also follow us on Twitter and find us on Facebook at on point radio. I'm Sasha Pfeiffer. This is on point.
March 4, 2019
"Good Monday morning. I'm Anna Palmer, and welcome your politico. Playbook audio briefing, stay tuned after the show for a message from Google and I'm Jake Sherman. New this morning is John Hickenlooper. Running for president a new campaign committee popped up on the FTC's website this morning Hickenlooper. Twenty twenty the form says the John Hickenlooper Colorado's former democratic governor is launching a bid for president Hickenlooper was two term governor of Colorado, and before that was a restaurant tour who had a big hand in the revitalization of downtown Denver, needless to say, you don't need us to tell you. But he can Looper would be entering a large primary field spotted Maryland governor Larry HOGAN boarding in. American Airlines flight from DCA to Moines last night. He's going to speak at an N G A event with Montana. Governor Steve Bullock in Iowa governor, Kim Reynolds, and we have a I in playbook. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer met with MJ Hager in New York over the weekend Schumer has been working to recruit someone to run against Senator John. Cornyn the meeting happened after bay Rourke announced he would not run against the Texas Republican. Hey, Karan one of the most closely watched house races in two thousand eighteen against Representative. John Carter in a district north of Austin and on the jobs front. Steve Clemens a leader in the Atlantic's massive events. Business is headed to axios. According to a source familiar with the move Clemens almost joint axios when it launched but was persuaded to stay by David Bradley, brain Powell jobs as an investor in axios end, the Atlantic and David Bradley who sold the Atlantic. Two jobs is an investor in axios south by south west begins this week in Austin. And and I will sit down with house minority leader Kevin McCarthy at Austin city limits live at the moody theater Sunday at two pm are talk as part of a series called conversations about America's future. Our friends at the Texas Tribune helped put together a slate of speakers for south by south west which also includes John casick who he on Castro Buddha. Judge. Senator Elizabeth Warren Senator klobuchar Washington governor, Jay Inslee, and John Hickenlooper for your radar the AP's reporting that at least twenty three have died, and tornadoes and storms in the south Senator rand Paul wrote on Fox News that he supports the president. But he can't support this national emergency declaration. He wrote I stand with the president often, and I do so with a loud voice today. I think he's wrong not on policy, but in seeking to expand the powers of the presidency beyond their constitutional limits. I understand his frustration dealing with congress can be pretty difficult sometimes, but congress appropriates money, and his only constitutional recourse, if he does not like that bound the appropriate is to veto the Bill the Kentucky Republicans voted against the emergency declaration pretty much. Sure that the Senate will join the house in voting down the president's unilateral action. President Donald Trump will then turn around and veto that measure that disapproves of his declaration. Congress will not have the votes to overturn his veto who would take. Two hundred ninety votes in the house, which means that fifty five Republicans would need to vote with all Democrats, and that isn't happening. And there are not sixty seven senators will vote to overturn Trump's veto either. It seems exceedingly unlikely that the president will voluntarily decide to rescind his emergency declaration as some Republicans have suggested he should they are times has a piece up on the dozens of cases of sexual assault of undocumented women on the border over the past two decades, a number that sun law enforcement and advocates say is just a faction of what has occurred on the trade front. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that progress is being made with China, and that the US and China are close to a deal and that an agreement could be reached at the summit between Trump and Chinese president. Gee, at the end of March the times also has a story about how Intel cheese started to use business impacts when talking to Trump about threats across the world on the twenty twenty front Marc Caputo. Right. So Joe Biden's indecision is holding up other democrat. It's like Mike Bloomberg and Terry McAuliffe. Holly otter bean was in Chicago for us covering Bernie Sanders talking about his experience protesting racial discrimination as a college student. Here's what's on tap for Trump's Monday. The president will meet with North Dakota state university twenty eighteen division. One FCS national champions football team at eleven thirty for a photo op in the East Room at twelve thirty. He'll have lunch with vice President Mike Pence and the private dining room. Trump also signing an executive order in the Oval Office at two-thirty supporting the transition of active duty, service members and military veterans into the merchant marine. He will also deliver remarks four fifteen in the state dining room to the national association of attorneys general subscribed to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook. 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Bonus: One-on-One with John Hickenlooper
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Hello and welcome to powerhouse politics. I'm ABC news, political director recline bringing you a special edition of the podcast to highlight. An interview that ABC news hat exclusively with the latest candidate in the twenty twenty feel the former governor of Colorado, John Hickenlooper governor Hickenlooper represents a new type of candidate in this field in that he is a moderate a self-described radical-moderate after a whole bunch of self-described progressives and liberals in the field, he brings different credentials someone who governs more from the center and has had to do. So in a purple state that may be trending a bit blue in the state of Colorado, one of the states that President Trump actually did not carry much to his disappointment in two thousand sixteen governor Hickenlooper is also the second governor in the race coming on the heels of Jay Inslee, Washington's governor I in representing a different field that now has to elbow its way in with a whole bunch of senators and congressmen and even mayors and former mayor's already running for president. So the field is expanding getting more interesting by the day. We wanted to bring you George Stephanopoulos is exclusive interview. With John Hickenlooper on good Morning, America. And George started things off with the campaign video that Hickenlooper put out on Monday morning. I'm John Hickenlooper. I'm running for president because we're facing a crisis. That threatens everything we stand for governor. Thank you for joining us. What is that crisis? I think this is a crisis of division. And I think it's probably the worst period of division that we've had in this country since the civil war, and ultimately, I'm running for president because I believe that not only can I be Donald Trump. But that I am the person that can bring people together on the other side and actually get stuff done the divisions keeping us from addressing big issues like climate change and the soaring costs of of health care, you know, the the disruption in the workplace that are gonna come from automation artificial intelligence, you know, I've got a history both in the private sector, but also in government of getting people together and getting stuff done. And I think that's you know in Colorado. We now have almost universal healthcare coverage. We have. I've been able to achieve a level of collaboration between the industry and the only the only gas industry and the environmental community to get methane regulations. That reminds me of President Obama when he was Senator Obama back in two thousand four saying there's no red America. There's new blue America. He wanted to heal the divisions as well. They didn't defeat him. But he couldn't solve that problem. How can you? Well, I think that a lot of what's going on in America's people not going out and listening, and I look at when I when I won reelection two thousand fourteen a terrible year for Democrats. You know, I went to out to the rural areas I listened to ranchers worrying about where they're going to get the water. I talk to the people in small towns in the suburbs. Worried about their jobs. I talked to women families all over the state about you know, the cost of housing and how they're going to make sure they can afford their healthcare. These are the basic issues people care about and I think people feel like no one in Washington has been addressing it. This is going to be a huge field on the democratic side. Maybe. More than two dozen maybe thirty candidates in there. The first challenge for any candidate. How do you stand out? I was talking to governor Jay Inslee of Washington yesterday. He's focused his whole focusing his whole campaign on climate change. What sets you apart? I think I'm the really the one candidate out there that has a very strong record of bringing people together and getting things done. And that that sense. I mean, we've got to beat Donald Trump. That's essential not sufficient, and when you look at who does have that that experience of being able to, you know, get things done on there. We got the I said the oil and gas industry work with environmental community to create methane regulations. They're now being rolled out across Canada. They've been copied in California. We're almost one hundred percent coverage healthcare, we're purple state that got universal background checks past your you say, you're the doer not the dreamer in this race who are the dreamers. Well, I think it's not question of dreamers. It's I mean, we need dreamers. I'm a dreamer. Right. We need vision. Right. But we also need people that get stuff done and all my, you know, as CEO of a restaurant and our group of restaurants for fifteen years, and then I was mayor for eight years, and then I was a governor for eight years. One thing I've shown I can do again, and again is create teams. Amazingly talented people and really address these issues issues that are the there the critical issues facing this country in the past you describe yourself as a moderate back in two thousand twelve I think even said he thought you were to moderate to win a democratic primary doesn't seem like moderation is in tune with where democratic primary voters are right now. Yeah. But I think you know, I've been to New Hampshire and Iowa to Florida and South Carolina. I don't think voters are interested in labels anymore. I think they really there's an appetite for people that can get stuff done and can show that you know, when the chips are down that the candidate is a person who can who the most successful cat. It will be the person who can get people to put down their weapons and collaborate to a point where he gets a real progressive change. And I look at what we've done in Colorado is cheap progressive goals. I'm not sure what other states have done that. So even when I was a mayor I got all three or four mayors two thirds of them Republicans or conservative independence, but three four mayors universally support a. Largest transit initiative in the history of the country. We call the fast tracks hundred twenty two miles of new track. I mean, that's how you address climate change is creating you'll groups of people that are committed both forget about Republican democrat. But how do we get things done? Let's let's put some meat on the bones. You're like the president to come in Mitch McConnell, Republican Mitch McConnell still ahead of the Senate. They still have majority. What's the first thing you do with him? What can you work together? Well, you know, just like anybody. People are responsive to people that they think respect them, and they feel hurt other this in the restaurant business when someone's angry, you don't, you know, fight back on them argue with them, you repeat back their words, and if Mitch McConnell if I got came into when I come into office, I would go to Mitch McConnell to his office. And I would sit down with him and say now, what is the issue again, and we would talk and I would continue to speak back to him sound silly, right? But this works this is what I did. With the suburban mayors, and they hated the city of Denver, you go to any metropolitan area in the country the arguments between the the big city mayor and the suburban mayors. They're almost endless where the one place where this has got got done. And I think it will work in Washington. So it seems like week two good day for you to come to Morning America. You're hosmer fan. Oh my gosh. It's it's so strange. So I, you know, I love music. I I went to Woodstock I saw Janice. Joplin play Jimi Hendrix play in their in their primes. And when I ran for re election in two thousand fourteen again terrible year for Democrats, but we had this tough fought. Victory. I took my son we went to Iceland for just for five day weekend. Because there's a nonstop flight from Denver, and we got there and there in the airport is hosier who ten days before we both gone and seen him in boulder, and we've gone backstage and met him and hung out and the nicest guy in the world, and and really one of the most talented young musicians anywhere. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, Georgia. All right. That does it for this special edition of powerhouse politics up for Giancarlo in the whole team. We'll be back here on Wednesday with our next edition. We'll see them. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast.
March 31 - Sen. John Barrasso, Sen. Dick Durbin, and Fmr. Gov. John Hickenlooper
"This Sunday the fallout President Trump claims victory over the report. Total exoneration lead vindication. Allies lineup to defend. Now, I've struck shit. They totalled indication and the president goes after his opponents little pencil neck, Adam Schiff, but Democrats pushback the president has not been exonerated by the special counsel and condemn Mr. Trump's conduct. I think it's more. I think it's on ethical. I think it's on patriotic. And yes, I think it's corrupt. And evidence of collusion. Guests this morning to Senate later Republican John Barrasso, Wyoming and democrat dick Durbin of Illinois, also President Trump thousand again to repeal and replace ObamaCare. The Republican party soon be known as the parting of healthcare did Mr. Trump just hand Democrats winning issue and the twenty twenty campaign Dreaver door. Can I self describe extreme Monory win the nomination in an increasingly progressive Democratic Party? I'll talk to former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper. Joining me for insight and analysis are NBC news correspondent Halley Jackson democratic pollster Cornell Belcher Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan and the editor of national review, rich Lowry. Welcome to Sunday. It's meet the press. From NBC news in Washington. The longest running show in television history. This is Chuck. Good Sunday morning. It turns out we're still waiting for the report on Friday attorney general Bill bar sent a letter to congress promising to release the report with with reductions, no later than mid April and said that there are no plans to submit the report to the White House in advance. What may be surprising is how little effect bars four page summary of Muller's nearly four hundred page report seems to have had them public opinion early. December news Wall Street Journal poll shows that forty percent of adults say they do not believe the mullahs report clears President Trump of wrongdoing. Just twenty nine percent says it does. But look at this number a very significant. Thirty one percent remain unsure perhaps thirty one percenter wisely waiting for the actual port to be released or they just haven't been paying that close of attention to this story. President Trump's disapproval rating by the waste it's at forty three percent with fifty three percent disapproving in this poll. That is down slightly from last month's numbers. Forty six fifty two proved a disapprove. But let's be honest. It's. Well, within the president's trading range that we've seen all presidency long, in fact, as you can see over the past four months as throughout this presidency. Mr. Trump's approval numbers have basically held remarkably stable, even though they are weak. It's for apps why the president debuted a scorched earth strategy of sorts on the campaign trail this week in Michigan as Democrats are debating, which one of their candidates can survive, the onslaught. Well, maybe most surprising of all this week was what Mr. Trump did during his celebration dance. He stepped on his good news the president pivoted away from the best gift. He's received as president no collusion and handed the Democrats political gift of their own a chance to defend ObamaCare now that he has vowed again to try to repeal it without any alternative the Russia. Hoax is finally dead. President Trump took a victory lap this week. Total exoneration complete vindication. The total indication as clear, a vindication. Or exoneration that you can get one Muller did not conclude that the president committed a crime with the Russian government. He also did not exonerate him of obstruction of Justice. And in that new NBC news, Wall Street Journal poll just six percent of Democrats nineteen percent of independence and only sixty four percent of Republicans believe the report clears Mr. Trump of wrongdoing now, Democrats are rejecting attorney general Bill bars timeline demanding the full report be released by Tuesday. Hillis report. And we can own conclusions. We don't need you interpreting for us that was condescending. It was our against. Confidence in the attorney general. And if that's what it liked to do. I have nothing to hide but by Friday evening, the president appeared to reverse course, tweeting the problem is no matter what the radical left. Democrats get no matter what we give them. It will never be enough. So maybe we should just take our victory and say, no bars already said he will redact the report for grand jury testimony classified information material that could affect ongoing investigations and information that would quote infringe on the personal privacy. And reputations of what he calls peripheral third parties another way perhaps of invoking executive privilege. The Democrats have to now decide whether they will continue to fraud. Ing the public with ridiculous Bush. Republicans have moved onto singling out political enemies shifts leadership of the intelligence committee is compromising needs to resign from the committee little pencil neck, Adam Schiff, sick sick sick people shift called out the president's conduct. I think it's immoral. I think it's ethical I think it's unpatriotic. And yes, I think it's corrupt and evidence of collusion, and Mr. Trump appears focused on revenge attacking investigators seeking to blunt their credibility. I'm sorry. They have to be accountable. Some Republicans worry that the president will fixate on the wrong message. And we're rattled by the Trump administration surprising decision to tell a federal appeals court on Monday that the entire Affordable Care Act should be overturned. I'm very disappointed and family pose. We have a chance of killing ObamaCare. We almost said it, but somebody unfortunately surprised us with dumbs down. But we'll do it a different. And joining me now is the chair of the Senate Republican conference John Barrasso of Wyoming brussel, welcome back to meet the press. I want to get to healthcare, but let me start with the Muller more turning journals working on getting a redacted report to congress in the public by mid April. I understand the public perhaps seeing redacted version. Shouldn't congress who gets regular intelligence reports shouldn't congress see the full some members of congress? See the full report. Well, first headlines very clear last week. No collusion. No collaboration. No conspiracy. I've called for a release of the full report on redacted. Well, that's what I've been calling for. I understand the attorney general has some specific issues in areas that he has to be concerned. I think anything you give to congress alternately everyone. We'll see. So I don't see a lot of difference in terms of making sure the public season. Do you think this is a mistake to draw this fight that essentially the more Hebrew? Dax the more it becomes a that essentially having the wrong debate in congress, which is about transparency and the lack thereof four transparency and for accountability. When Muller was appointed. He was the patron Saint of all that is just in good in the world. I'd say as Feinstein said, that's what Chuck Schumer said. Now, they just kinda wanna seem to throw him under the bus when he found out that there was nothing there. They don't seem to be happy. With the results. But he is somebody that was praised from both sides of the aisle as being able to do a fair and compelling commitment to to the job is signed to him. Are you confident? There's nothing there. I mean, let me quote from mister bars report, he said, the special counsel states that while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him. What do you take that? To mean. The president says he's exonerated who's right here, by the way. Well, the headlines no collusion. No collaboration. No headlines. See I wanna see headlines are built bars. Mendham? He's Bill bar said the report doesn't exonerate him. The president says he is where do you come down? I've asked for a report the full report to be released. The attorney general will make that final decision. And ultimately, the voters will make that decision as you just saw from your report last week NBC interrupted a golf tournament CBS interrupted final four people wanted to get back to the sports. They were watching. They were more interested in that than they were in the breaking news. You may be right. Let me ask you this. The special counsel did not did not find a crime when it comes to conspiracy. There is a counterintelligence investigation. This is what we know from it. And I'm curious if you think the president is exonerated from all of these things allegedly asking Komi for loyalty allegedly telling Komi that he hoped they could let Flynn go telling the Russian ambassador in the Oval Office that he got this Komi thing out of the way the public asking for help. The president's behavior while he's technically exonerated from a crime is exonerated from his behavior as a president every president is judged on many things behavior is part of that the electorate will be asked to make that judgment in twenty twenty. And we'll see how they decide. But what do you think on this? I think that the president has been clear with the American people. He has been I believe falsely accused for the last two years and Muller has proven the fact that there was no collusion was falsely accused because some of his behavior led people to believe there was something more there. He's the one that wanted to you think it was appropriate for him to want to do business with bladder Putin and Russia while running for president the president is an international businessman has success. All around the world is not surprising that when he chose to run for president. He was continuing the business that he had been I understand it was you stated a bunch of facts there. You didn't state any opinion, you think it's appropriate. I think that it's not surprising that international businessman do these things, but he wanted to run for president. Should he have given that up was that a mistake to pursue something because it may have helped trigger all of the suspicion? It probably did trigger the suspicion. But I don't think that there is a fault there on the part of the president. I want to ask you one other thing about Bill bars reading of of expansive executive power. Here's what he said about about what he wrote in his memo before becoming attorney general he said constitutionally it is wrong to conceive of the president is simply the highest officer within the executive branch hierarchy. He alone is the executive branch dust, the full measure of law enforcement authority is placed in the president's hands. And no limit is placed on the kinds of cases subject to his control and supervision. This maintained. Do you believe the attorney general's right of this expansive view that essentially the president of the United States is the law. Well, I believe the attorney general is right in his evaluation of the law and how it works. No man is above the law. How could you? Correct. This viewpoint. I mean, you're saying that he's right. But it does claim that as sitting president nited states. He is above the law. Maybe won't be after over four. But he is while I'm not a lawyer. I don't play a lawyer on television experts look into that. And I know that Lindsey Graham the pit bull that he is on the judiciary committee, chairman is going to continue to work when this area. Do you think investigating the investigators is a good idea? Lindsay's a pit bull. And I think he's heading down that road. You think it's a good idea? Again, you've been very careful not to express your personal opinion on these things any reason. My my opinion is we need to get beyond. This. We need to get to the point where we focus on our strong, healthy growing economy. We focus on the issues that are on the American public mind. And what we've seen is. This is not some it's this is not something I hear about at home in Wyoming, Chuck I was there this past weekend and not investigating Hillary Clinton a good, then not investigating Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is the way to go. Well, does seem to me that. That's how we got here to begin with and all of the things that we're leading up to the two thousand sixteen election. I wish it would all be behind us. But we're not there yet. All right. Let me move forward and healthcare. The president said you senators Cassidy and Senator Scott are coming up with an alternative healthcare plan that will protect preexisting conditions that can replace ObamaCare is that true. And what does this plan? Look like if it is. Well, as you know, it's going to need bipartisan support because Nancy Pelosi is the speaker of the house every time I talk to President Trump. We talk about healthcare. He knows with regard to pre existing conditions that I'm a doctor my wife. Bobby is a breast cancer survivor. She's been through surgery three times chemotherapy twice. He knows. I am one hundred percent committed as Republicans to protecting people with preexisting conditions. We are absolutely continuing to work on this realizing that it has to be bipartisan. My concern is the biggest threat that I see to the freedom. And the economy of this country is this complete government takeover of health care, which is where the Democrats are going this Medicare for all with longer lines rationing of care, higher taxes less freedom, and it is now the liberal litmus test, I understand that Democrats running for president at that isn't the law as it is right now is it a mistake for the president to have joined the lawsuit to say that ObamaCare is on constitutional. Do you want? It overturned. Do you want the courts to overturn this right now, or do you wanna kept in place and till you guys figure this out. Well, first of all, this loss, isn't imminent. There's not going to be any decision on this for a couple of years. But shouldn't be a surprise to anybody that Republicans repose to ObamaCare, we have been for a long, but for ten years, you have we're actually I was thinking about this. It was oh nine that. We began the debate. It's twenty nineteen. You guys have been talking about having a plan to protect preexisting conditions for ten years, and you haven't been able to come up with one you had congress and the presidency for two years. You haven't been able to come for once why should we expect it now, you know, the Obama healthcare? Law. I think Republicans and Democrats agree it has failed to keep its promises. Prices are skyrocketing and continue. I was in Wyoming. My medical office on Friday talking to patients doctors bronze plan. Cheapest bronze plan in Wyoming for a family of four nine thousand nine hundred dollars deductible twelve thousand dollars. That's not right. The president is right. This is on the American people's minds. But you can't find an alternative that would make that cheaper yet. We protect preexisting conditions. Correct. Or you can have it. Well, right now, we've done things to lower the cost of pharmaceuticals. They're lower this year than last year. We've gotten rid of the gag order on pharmacists, we have found ways to association health plans to have people joined together to get half the cost of insurance cuts the cost the short term plans you want to let people buy what they need what's appropriate for them. So they can get the care. They need from a doctor. They choose at lower costs. I mean, this should the American people expect an actual healthcare plan alternative from the Republican party this year. The American people should expect to not have to be burdened with the incredible costs that are affecting them. Now as outland we see a new plan from the Republican party about what their alternative I've been working on a plan since today got to the Senate, and it is so slow plans. It is. Lowering people to buy what works for them. Let ranchers joined together and deal with transparency the president is right on that drug costs which are actually coming down. There are things that are working, but we need bipartisan support at a time where the Democrats want to take over all of healthcare and eliminate insurance from one hundred and sixty million Americans Senate Bresso, I'm gonna leave it there. I wish we had more time on this. I have a feeling where would be debating healthcare. We've done it. The last ten years. My guess is ten more Senate Baraza, thanks for coming on future. Thanks for joining me. Now from the other side of the Senate Democratic whip dick Durbin of Illinois Senator dome and welcome back to meet the press. Good to be with you. I know you're chomping at the bit of healthcare. But I want to ask first about Muller and this Tuesday deadline what Mr. Muller's excuse me, Mr. bars already said, he's not going to meet the Tuesday deadline for the model report to being congress. What are the consequences? Are you? Do you have consequences plant? We have a new species of political dinosaurs. It's called the bar redecked oil and apparently William bar believes that he can take time and redecked the three or four hundred page report from Bob Muller. I think it's long overdue for him to apply to court to get away. When it comes to grand jury information, and then to produce this report and its entirety for the congress. There's ample precedent when it came to Clinton investigations in the past for Hillary, an for Bill Clinton, there were massive reports unredacted turned over to congress that should be the case here as well. You know before Muller came out, you had been sort of preaching some sort of calmness. You'd said things like a bunch of puck yourselves on the sidelines until Muller's work completed. All right, Muller's work is completed. I know you're waiting to see what's in it. But you saw the polling. You know that this is while this is an obsession among the basis of both parties, the vast vast chunk of. America. That is tune this out and doesn't want this focus. You heard Senator ASO say that they wish he wishes their side could move on. Do you think it's time for your side to move on? Well, I think there should be a complete disclosure of the mullahs report. I was standing in the subway in Chicago Friday and a lady came up to me named Deborah. And she said we paid for that inquiry. Why can't we see the report she's not a professional politician by any means? But I think she speaks for most of America. I don't want to dwell on it. But I think it's important we at least see what? Bob Muller produced. Sally gates at an important column. Just a day or two ago. She said remember at the heart of this was the Russian interference in our election to stop them from doing it again to find out what conduct help them or hurt them. We ought to see the full Miller report that gets into the counterintelligence phase. So it does have application to what we do moving forward. Let's release the entire report. Let the American people see what happened you sit on the judiciary committee. The chairman their Republican from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham has indicated he wants to do some investigating the investigators. How did this get started? He has said he wants to talk about Komi are you with him on? Do you think that's an investigation? That's necessary. I don't want to return to Travelgate been Ghazi the Clinton emails, I think we can move forward from here. We ought to focus on the counter intelligence aspects of this and the security of the twenty twenty election. That's the one thing both parties ought to agree on no one should interfere with the opportunity in the obligation. The American people to choose their next rank of leadership, given the fact that Senator Graham admitted he was sort of involved in the process, or at least knew of the process of how the dossier got to James Komi from Senator McCain, and he read it actually before it got to Comi does he have to recuse himself from this investigation on your committee or not? Do you think Lindsey Graham would recuse himself from any investigation? I can't imagine it, and I'll tell you. I hope we don't dwell on this as I said it is yesterday's newspaper with Muller's report. Let's put it to rest one way or the other. And if there's action needed by congress to keep our political system intact. Let's before we all right. I wanna move to a few issues, but I want to start first with immigration the front page in the New York Times this morning notes that look whatever you wanna call it wherever you wanna put it put the blame. We have a problem right now on the border. The secretary of homeland security wrote this letter to congress DHS is doing everything possible to respond to a growing humanitarian catastrophe while also securing our borders, but we have reached peak capacity and are now forced to pull from other missions to respond to the -mergency. Look, I'm well aware, you don't like the president's plans on immigration the wall, all of those things the fact is we do know, there's a massive migration crisis right now does congress. The responsibility to give secretary Nielsen more tools to deal with this temporarily. Let me tell you the first thing we ought to do and this administration, which was the author of the zero tolerance policy removing over twenty eight hundred toddlers infants and children from their parents with no tracing of where they were being sent. So they could be returned. The first thing we need to do is to meet the humanitarian needs at the border instead of building fences two or three years in the future by taking money from department of defense, focus on facilities to serve these families. So that there aren't children who are hurting dying. As result of this situation is there then take a look at the big picture when the president says, he's when the president says he's going to close the border that is totally unrealistic boast on his part what we need to do is focus on what's happening in Central America. Where three countries are dissembling before is people are desperately coming to the United States. The president's cutting off aid to these countries will not solve that problem. Let me move quickly to health care. And it's this question. The democratic presidential candidates are all talking about remaking ObamaCare, some of them radically some of them on the edges. The Republican party is obviously in a different place your trying to defend ObamaCare, while you're breast of your party wants to change it should the presidential candidates more focused on defending ObamaCare than changing it. I can tell you this. I voted for it think it's one of my most important votes, it cut the number of uninsured Americans and in Illinois in half and back to my friend, John Barrosso, and he is a friend twenty five thousand people in the state of Wyoming have healthcare because of ObamaCare ninety five percent of them. Get a subsidy for the premium payment. There are ways to improve the Affordable Care was not brought down a mountainside by Moses on clay, tablets their ways to improve it. For example, when it comes to prescription drug pricing. I disagree with John Bresso, most Americans believe in I due to the prescription drug prices are through the roof an indefensible we should be addressing that. As one of the first changes to make the Affordable Care Act more effective quickly on twenty twenty Joe Biden, there's an allegation that was basically two. Made made some women feel uncomfortable by some ways that he acted around them. He has put out a more complete statement saying he's still doesn't remember the incident. But that he will pay more than men in general need to pay more attention how they interact with women. Are you concerned that Joe Biden can handle the onslaught of twenty twenty do you think he should run? Well, I can tell you the Joe Biden is a friend and a season veteran when it comes to political campaigns. I know nothing about the allegations that I also read this morning as well. I think all of us should take such allegations seriously, and with respect I took the Joe Biden statement to say just that exactly. So yes, I think he's ready. If that's his decision to move forward in this presidential campaign. We have a spirited field of fifteen or sixteen disqualifying the spectrum and the Democratic Party and its values certainly one hour Gatien is not disqualifying. But it should be taken seriously. All right, Senator dick Durbin democrat from Illinois as always thanks for your time and sharing your views. Thank you. When we come back. The president spent the week going after his opponents in the wake of the Muller headlines missed opportunity. A lot of people out there that have done some very very evil things. Very bad things. I would say treasonous things against our country. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN be daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC to six eight six six to subscribe back. Now, the panel democratic pollster Cornell Belcher, he's an MBC news analysts Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan also and NBC news aimless our chief White House correspondent here at NBC news Halley Jackson, and the editor of national review and a man who was up late watching UVA to the final four because he's an alum. Rich, Lowry you in a much better mood this morning, then you would be let me play the president had a couple of paths that go down after getting some good news on Sunday. As far as he was concerned. Here was the president at his first campaign rally post bar slash Muller report. There are a lot of people out there that have done some very very evil things. Very bad things. I would say treasonous things against. Our country. Those people. Certainly be looked at a witch hunt was a plan by those who lost the election to try and illegally regain power. These are sick people. Peggy maybe I'm stuck in a time warp that thinks that boy you have a political opportunity take it. He could have gone down one to pass one. Is that path the Luma Thermo kill Bill path? Right. Trying to take revenge or he could have cornered the Democratic Party this week and said, all right? I'm ready for infrastructure. Let's go. Yeah. But he went down the revenge path. Somebody said one it was announced that the Trump White House was going to now push on healthcare once again after having been unsuccessful the first time reporter said to a White House official. Why are you doing healthcare on the White House official said too much good news half ditch the subject? So there was an element of that. It would have been wonderful to see the president. There's something a little surprising. He was angry when the good news. And didn't you get the impression that he was feeling anger when the grievance so relief and generosity would have been nice. A little history of how we got there than put it away. Then as you say as I agree go forward on infrastructure, his the builder America wants to build Dem's or for rep four gogo. There was consternation inside the west wing among the president's allies about their whole plan because let me take you back till six days ago because the not just the. Awesome. Where he came out Chuck, but you also had the guy who is chief nemesis. Muck. Eleven nada. Got arrested best pal BB Netanyahu over at the White House. Giving him some wine. He was riding high. And then in a matter of twenty four hours that'll change because of this filing deadline on the Affordable Care Act and that lawsuit. And there was real concern. I'm told by my sources on the part of for example, vice president Pence not a disagreement on the policy, but a disagreement on exactly this the tactics. Where do you go from here because they could see that people like Senator Barosso are going to get hammered by people asking questions like where is the plan? Do you have a plan? There was also some questions from the lawyers on the legal viability of this argument and the president. I don't think it's not surprising that he went full revenge mood. He was so mad for two years about this. So this was like a moment for him to grind the grievance. So rich when he wonders why is he sitting at forty three to forty six percent. I'm I would say exhibit true. But he was genuinely angry you got a little bit from his perspective. So he fires James Komi as far as I can. Tell because Komi refused to say publicly what he's telling Trump, privately, which is you you're not under investigation. Suzy fires them. He's under investigation for two solid years with some people serious people suggesting he's committed acts of treason, and I do think there should be an investigation. Investigators to wreak vengeance on anyone because I do think this process one off the rails. We let a garbage Otto gathered from Russian sources by ex foreign spied, the so-called dossier distort, our politics for two should be that guy investigating. This centering the weird's relationship he had with the dossier itself. Mendis Lindsey switched around on a lot of stuff. But I would say, I know this isn't going to happen. But I feel so this should be like after the conclusion of the star report all fair minded people on both sides say let's never do this this way. Again, take this go. I I don't know where to start the stinks. And this is why it stinks. Imagine for one moment. If if Democrats had taken the star memo and said, you know, what this is honorary president nothing really to see here that Newt Gingrich head would have exploded. Look, this is part of the problem with with because of what's wrong with Washington is that there's no transparency if in fact, he's he's innocent. And by the way, Bart and say exonerated him completely. If in fact, he's innocent put it out there, and let us all see it. You know, the number that striking from the Wall Street Journal poll to me is nineteen nineteen percent of independence that this clears the president. And you know, what as an operative myself? You know, I gotta say when you're giving your polling data to the Russians as a pollster, it's kinda hard. You say that you were not colluding, by the way, I do want to put up this number here. This is paying a lot of attention to news coverage on various we to this all the time in our poll put this up look where the Muller reports sits compared to other major events over the last couple of years, they are Landau shoot. Ding at the pulse nightclub the spread of A Bola access Hollywood tape. People who've watched a lot of news coverage on the Muller reported. It's sitting at a thirty nine Peggy is it is one of these things where I understandably why all of us are into it. And because it's an important investigation. But the middle of the country, I think that's who this is the middle of the country and America in twenty nineteen has been used for decades to watching Washington do its thing and have it's partisan investigations, and they do filter it out. I think to a good degree. I'm sure they're all happy to have an answer. Now. I have a feeling. The president's foes are never going to let this whole molar thing. The investigation go, I think the Muller report once it is made public to the degree it is made public. And then we'll all argue about that is going to be seen less as a definitive too explicit star report and more like, oh, we can do warn report on this for the next few years and pull every thread. We see what are we going to be debating more in the next six months? So holly. Obamacare, or are we going to be debating the full release the model report? I don't think we're going to be debating what's in the report for a while. I think we're gonna be debating the full release. But what matters more. It's definitely I think the healthcare law. I think when you look at the numbers, and we look at what people are interested in. And when you look at what people are talking about on the twenty twenty campaign trail, specifically Democrats, they are not talking about Russia and the mullahs report now that said the president, and there are those around him who do see this as essentially a political cudgel to be able to use against Democrats. So for example, this deadline issue. Bill bar came out in that letter and said, mid April, I'm told by folks inside the White House there there stance is going to be we're okay with that. And we're gonna blast the Democrats demanding it by Tuesday counter-intuitively could be a reason why this outcome hurts the president. Because Russia was always a bland blind alley for the Democrats. The case against Trump is not as a Russian spy or as a proto fascist or any of that. It's what Nancy Pelosi's been trying to do. He's a conventional Republican masquerading as populous with all the same Republican policies. That is the case. More powerful case fascinating way to put it. I'm gonna pause it there because that's a dangerous place for Trump to be ran is something not up next kind of self-described extreme moderate when the democratic nomination. John Hickenlooper is tryin my interview with former Colorado governor when we come back. Welcome back in a Democratic Party moving to the left at least rhetorically it could be hard to accuse John Looper of pandering. The former Colorado governor is opposed to things like Medicare for all. He's a moderate immigration and considers himself fiscal conservative. Unlike some of his better known twenty twenty opponents right now still Hickenlooper is a proven vote getter. Having been elected governor of Colorado twice and mayor of Denver twice in presidential candidate John Hickenlooper joins me now from Denver governor Hickenlooper. Welcome back to meet the presser warning. Let me just start. I want to dive into it. People want to assess your ability to be president. We've got a front page story in the times New York Times today that I'm sure you've already seen about the crisis at the border that we have a larger debate about immigration, and I'm not asking for your larger answer on that. I'm curious. What would you be doing right now, we have this? We have a huge influx right now. They're gaming the system differently. We. Have the facilities to deal with these type of asylum seekers? What would you do right now? Well, certainly I wouldn't have gotten us into the situation. We find ourselves at the border now, and I I would not have ripped away hundreds and hundreds thousands of kids away from their mothers and then ship them off to adoptive families. I mean, it's a form of kidnapping. I think the key was to keep out in front of this issue and make sure we had the facilities. So that we could provide humane processing people that were, you know, in many cases fearing their their lives were risk and fleeing certain death to try and come to America this country's been built on immigration. We should respect and and have a process it's fair for everyone. What does what does a border? What do our borders look like in a Hickenlooper administration? How tight how secure how porous how would you describe it? No, I think you need borders. But you have to recognize that we are country build on immigration right now, we have more job openings than we have people looking for work. We've got to reevaluate our entire immigration system. And whether we're we need more workers to help bring in our crops, which were at the borderline now, we're last fall we were leaving some of our fruits and vegetables in the fields and unharvested, whether we need more electrical engineers to keep our tech industry at the front of the global competition. I mean, that's all got to be incorporated into a comprehensive treatment of immigration and making sure that in the process of doing that we saw the complexity of the border. What is an extreme moderate right radical radical-moderate? There's different versions of this. I've heard you off the record say versions of this as well define it for voters. How do you want that define when we hear this phrase that you're an extreme moderate? I don't like any labels. You know, I've tried to do both when I was in small business. But also when I was mayor when I was governor I've tried to address bringing people together and getting things done. And I I really do believe we're in a crisis now of division that encompasses healthcare and the environment and the economy, and what I've done again, and again is been able to to bring people together and get stuff done. So we we got almost universal coverage in healthcare and Colorado expanded Medicaid, we create one of the most innovative exchanges in the country. We got the the environmental community sit down with the oil and gas industry, and that you actually create the first methane regulations in the country that the oil and gas industry paid sixty million dollars to implement. What are they quivalent taking three hundred twenty thousand automobiles off the roads? I think on the of all the candidates, so far I think I'm the person who has the most continuous example, the most continuous record of actually gay people together and. Bring together put down your weapons and then get things done. But you know, governor what somebody somebody on the left would say, you know, you're going to sit down with the oil and gas industry. That's the problem. You're going to let them write the legislation. There's been too much accommodation over the years not just on that issue. But that is the argument coming from the new progressive left. How do you deal with that as a candidate? Well, I hold out the record of actual accomplishment. Everyone else's is pointing fingers and blaming each other. And you know, when we got that methane regulation put in place that system of regulations, not only is it helped Colorado. It's now being rolled out his national policy across Canada is it should be global policy. If we're going to dress real really serious about addressing the challenges of climate change. And and the environment. It's not sufficient just to address here in this country. We've got to do it globally to to have the impact that we have to have. I mean, this is a place where we don't have the luxury of continuing this this Washington style battle of blaming the other side and one of these battles where we have this. A lot is on the issue of abortion. And I'm curious when it comes to this idea of trying to basically break in passes, which I think is essentially what you're trying to say you're going to be you're going to be it's going to try to break an impasse. You've a lot of states. Georgia's the latest that are passing fetal heart. Bait are heartbeat bills. Essentially, you're trying to prevent abortions making them illegal the minute. You can hear a heartbeat. What is your reaction to laws like that? Do you believe there unconstitutional or not, and what is the line on abortion for you? I think those laws are unconstitutional, and I think from my point of view, I I recognized the difficulty of the question I emphasize with people on both sides. But I believe I've always come down the side of a woman's right to take care of our own healthcare. Is there any is there any limit that you believe there should be? What is wait? But one of one of the things we didn't Colorado over the course of five years, we got some foundation money, but we provided long acting reversible contraception things like nor plants and these two fifteen to twenty five year old young women and in that process over the last eight years, we have reduced teenage pregnancy and teenage abortion I over sixty percent. I mean, that's some of the I mean that's kind of a compliment and achievement. We should be looking at. And again, you've gotta have the debate. And I respect that. But I think a woman has to ultimately have the right to make decisions about our own health, and in what is government's role at all is good do should government. Bench just draw that line is there a line the government to draw. I think that the supreme court has already drawn that line and in this country women are allowed that that final decision of those issues that most directly affect their healthcare. Let me ask you a final issue that that is popped up the smoking. And that is this accusation against vice president Biden. He has says he doesn't remember it. But he also says that he wants to rethink how men in general of interacted with women first of all is that a disqualifying from what you've read about this. Do you believe it's disqualifying and second what is what should pass what pass behavior should be accountable? These days in what should. Well, I think the the more important issue recognize that we are to an inflection point really moment of transplant transformation of the entire country. Where women in many cases for the first time are having the courage to come forward and speak about things that happened to them that make them intensely uncomfortable, in many cases, they feel they've been damaged on fairly. I think our first responsibility to make sure that we that we allow these ones we recognize their bravery, and we listened to them, and we believe them, right? We have to make sure that that's the first issue. And what about is this disqualifying for vice president Biden? Well, again, I don't know siphoned this one issue. I haven't even this issue. I don't know all the details. But I think that's why we have an election. That's that's that process. But certainly it's very disconcerting. And I think that women have to be heard, and we should really we. I should start by believing them governor John Hickenlooper democrat from Colorado. I'm going to have to leave it there. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views. I imagine we'll catch up against her. Thanks up next. Democrats are desperate to win back the White House. What do democratic voters think of some of the better known candidates, so far that's next? Backdated download time. So how do voters feel about the twenty twenty candidates so far NBC news Wall Street Journal poll offers a few clues there's one candidate for pretty confident will be on the ballot come November twenty twenty and that's President Donald Trump Republicans look to be all in on the president was seventy nine percent saying they are either enthusiastic or comfortable supporting him Democrats as you might expect are at the other end of the spectrum but only thirty four percent of independence, call themselves comfortable with Trump right now. It's not a strong number for the president to be starting with right out of the gate, and perhaps most telling full fifty percent of all respondents, call themselves very uncomfortable supporting the president's reelection. Remember what we just tested with President Trump, and what we're testing with five Democrats this month, and we'll test more in the months to come is basically the floor and ceiling potential support. This is not a horse race poll on purpose. Anyway, among self described Democrats person with the most enthusiasm and comfort by. By sanders. Warren, Harris, Biden had the most saying they were enthusiastic comfortable at seventy percent now with independence the candidate order essentially hell with lower levels of support. Of course overall. However, Biden Sanders seem to have an advantage with independence both with close to fifty percent saying they'd be comfortable or enthusiastic supporting him or them. Republicans. Also, follow the same pattern with much lower numbers by stands out from the crowd here with twenty one percent saying they'd be comfortable supporting him that could suggest he has some crossover appeal. If he runs wins the nomination name recognition is obviously crucial when running for president. And it could explain the stronger showings, for Biden Sanders right now. And we should know it Sanders also starts with the highest negatives among Democrats as well Harrison ROY received the highest numbers for don't know the name or not sure our poll, but that also means both Harrison work have a better shot at defining themselves on their own terms throughout the campaign. Let somebody doesn't forum and that may be. The case for much of the democratic field. It's not a bad place to be in the spring of nineteen when we come back. Speaking of twenty twenty the political reeducation of Joe Biden. Back now with endgame and a story that actually continues develop the smarting the accusation against former vice president Biden, he has put out a new statement. Let me read the whole thing in part, and let's get the dive into this discussion. The original context had to do with a democratic candidate for Lieutenant governor in two thousand fourteen talking about the essentially vice president buying by invading personal space in an extraordinarily uncomfortable way. Here's what vice president Biden, his second statement on this in my many years on the campaign trail and in public life have offered countless and shakes AG's expressions of affection support comfort and not once never did. I believe I acted inappropriately. If it is suggested I did. So I will listen respectfully, but it was never mind tension. I mean recall these moments the same way, and I may be surprised at what I hear. But we have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relate to their experiences and mentioned pay attention. And I will Cornell Belcher should note least Lucy floors who's doing inter. View did an interview this morning on CNN called this statement better than the first one. It's well it it's a very good statement. But it's also not what you wanna start off your campaign having having a conversation about right? I think they want to start the campaign having a conversation about about leadership and vision for for the future, this is. But this is also what happens when you. Front runner, and you die by a million paper cuts, and I think this is going to be given his time in history. Want to focus on on on his competence, and beating Trump they don't wanna be talking about this this morning. Put up the headlines that you referred to here. Politico has a great one which is that he's getting a quick twenty twenty blindsided by dose of twenty twenty reality. Obviously this allegation. There was also a Nieta hills come up this week his back and forth on Roe v. Wade Joe Biden's greatest strength is the fact that he's been in the political mainstream for forty years, his greatest weakness is that he's been in the political mainstream for forty years. Well, this allegation. There's there's reason God gave us the handshake. You know, so as respectful, always appropriate and gender-neutral. Yeah. On the crux of his statement. I don't think this was like sexual or malicious. But it was way over familiar would immediately any workplace get your report it to HR they stopped doing that. And the problem is going to have is as you say all the record and how he deals with it. And I just think if he apologizes too much he's gonna receiving insincere and weak, and in theory, I think he's a really from for middle general election candidate. But no one in either party international politics will say, you know, what I want to own. The old guy establishment lane and one of the parties, we're talking, you know, rightfully so about a lot of the political piece of this. But there is such a big cultural element to this too. I mean, this is we are now post me to Tober 2017. Right. That's not that long ago. And more broadly, speaking on a big picture level candidates have to grapple with what it means to have had white male privilege for many years. And you're seeing that in this very public way voters are demanding it the women candidates running are in some ways demanding accountability for that to this goes beyond the realm of politics. It's much bigger than that. Oh, I think it has to do with the fact in part that show Biden is a longtime American political figure who came from the fleshy world of sixties and seventies politics, and you when everybody started to hug and kiss different from the forties and fifties, we're hugging we're kissing. All that stuff is going on. That's part of his story right now. Another thing. I think for the first time in his life. Joe Biden is seeing himself the target of his own party's upo. He's got operatives other candidates going after him in a way that will have to be startling. Can you survive this? Yes, how does he survive because the issues, and I think it was a very good state because he acknowledged he knowledged and you're absolutely right. The culture the culture is fundamental changes. Which is a problem for a lot of our candidates who to your point came up in a culture that was very different. But I think he can't survive it. And this is why vise it comfort the number that popped out. And then B C poll is comfort and Democrats are very very comfortable with Joe Biden. However, I don't think that sets people on fire. The good news. You know, what you're going to get the bad news is. Guys. That's all we have for today. What a show. Thank you for watching. We've back next week if it's Sunday, it's meet the prince. Hi, it's Katie her want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC to six eight six six to subscribe.
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Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast. It's a day that ends in y so we've got another candidate for president John Hickenlooper. The former governor of Colorado, the former mayor of Denver and the brew pub restaurant tour he has gotten officially into the twenty twenty race today and Hickenlooper is not painting a path here that we've seen from many of the other candidates already in the race. He is clearly trying to portray himself as a bit more of a pragmatic, centrist. Although he would call himself a progressive. Of course, he is running in a democratic nominating contest. But the big question that is going to hang over Hickenlooper. Candidacy is. Is this a message that a big enough slice of the democratic electorate in this era is open to this idea of being able to bring people together to accomplish perhaps not the big ticket items stuff that Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or comma Harris per tout, their he may not be out there campaigning on free college or Medicare for all. But on the notion that his executive leadership from outside of Washington is precisely what's needed to address the failures of Washington leadership over the last many years, and he says he's history of working with a Republican legislature gives him the ability to to bring people together, by the way, not terribly dissimilar in terms of some of that approach that we heard from Jay Inslee, the other governor that just got in. So now we are entering a phase where the governors are starting to get in. Into this race. And it has been a long truism in American politics. And I realized that both Donald Trump and Barack Obama defied this. But if you look at Carter Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, you know, four of our recent presidents all had gubernatorial experience that they brought to the Oval Office, and it was widely seen for a long time in presidential politics that that really was pardon the pun a Trump card that voters really understood that executive leadership in a state and how it applies in. And of course, it allowed a lot of those candidates who had come from the gubernatorial ranks to really run against Washington. Never an unwise thing to do higgin loopers clearly going to try that as well. Jay Inslee as we talked about last week really leaning into climate change Hickenlooper. Of course, trying to push a broader a array of issues, but even less about the issues and more about this notion of the ability to bring people together and get stuff done. I want you to hear a couple of different snippets of his announcement video. So I'll play one I hear is John Hickenlooper rolling out his campaign this morning, I'm John Hickenlooper on running for president because we're facing a crisis. That threatens everything we stand for is a skinny kid with coke bottle losses in a funny. Last name I've stood up to my fair. Share of bullies standing tall when it matters is one of the things that really drives my thirties. I worked as a geologist God laid off in a tough economy being out of work for months changes. You look in the mirror and you start to see a different person one day. I got a library book on how to write a business plan. An abandoned warehouse forgotten corner of Denver. Became a successful group up. Good to see in the end. We didn't just build a restaurant. We created a whole neighborhood that never looked back. At the age of fifty. I was elected mayor. We transform Denver to a national model for what a city could be then during my eight years as governor we did the hard things families needed. So you can hear the pitch that Hickenlooper is making right there. He also is quite clear of what he sees as the crisis in America right now. And if you watch the video that accompanies that audio you just heard it's images of Donald Trump during that line of script of texts. So he's not making any bones about the fact that he is also very committed to the notion of taking down Donald Trump, which you know, has been a big sort of navigation for these twenty twenty Democrats how much to lean into that anti-trump energy that is sort of coursing through the democratic primary electorate and make their their pitches to the voters about Donald Trump and about. How wrong-headed he is. And to take that down versus a more positive proscriptive. Here's where I wanna take the country kind of message knowing that democratic voters they already really disliked, Donald Trump, and that stuff is is baked into the electorate ready. It's a tricky dance that they're going to have to dance. These democratic candidates to figure that out we've seen Bernie Sanders be much more aggressive sort of take it right to Donald Trump with some of his own name calling and tough rhetoric, but we've seen others like Corey Booker who really makes a point of not mentioning Trump Kamla Harris still trying to figure out how much Trump to include. But really avoids it that it is an intriguing thing to watch. How all of these Democrats start figuring out how to deal with the Trump factor Hickenlooper put it right in his debut. Message the imagery of the president. But you didn't hear a ton of his messaging other than that line about. Crisis about that. I want to give you another snippet of how he closes out his campaign rollout. Video. Here's more John Hickenlooper. I'm running for president because we need drivers in Washington. But we also need to get things done. I've proven again, and again, I can bring together to produce the progressive change. Washington has failed to deliver join me, and we'll repair the damage done to our country and be stronger than ever. So we now have twelve major Democrats in this race. I'm including the two that have already that are in exploratory committee phase Kirsten gillibrand and people digested. But we've got twelve Democrats in the field. Right. And we're still waiting on another ten to twelve candidates to tell us what they're doing a one such potential candidate Eric Holder. The former attorney general of the United States ruled out a twenty twenty run today. He wrote an op Ed in the Washington Post, and he made clear he is not going to run for the Oval Office. But he is going to remain committed to the work. He's been doing on redistricting. He really is trying to get Democrats to focus on state legislative and local races that really impact how districts are drawn and try to break through what he sees as some Republican gerrymandering that have that has really impacted negatively some of the policy goals that he would like to see Democrats enact and so. So he's gonna hit that sort of structural reform of redistricting through his commission. He's been out there campaigning on this issue across the country. And he says he will continue to do. So, but he will not be a candidate for twenty twenty. So that should make Barack Obama's decision about how much he wants to play in this primary or not a little easier because that's at least one friend and loyal cabinet members through much of his administration who's taken his name out of the mix. I'm sure also to Joe Biden's relief. No doubt. Should he get in Hickenlooper for his part? He's going to have a big Denver rally on Thursday, followed by a trip to so he is kicking things off and going immediately into high gear to try and test. The ability for him to sell this kind of message to today's democratic primary electric that does it for this edition of the daily DC. Thank you all so much for listening hope you'll tune in again right here tomorrow.
Cohen turns over evidence on Trump Tower Moscow project
"Now, it's time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell good evening through there. I thought I was being introduced when I heard you say he's old. He what you said. He's in jail. Oh, okay. It's it's someone else. She's talking about your doubts down. And I don't think you're that. I am at as of this point gutless. Bless you and not in prison. And so so that's a happy day miserable. Not lonely, and I don't even wanna talk about the altar boy thing it's weird. Well, I was an altar. Boy, let's see and we are going to talk about it. Right. You. We are going to talk about a completely this want on the record completely happy and positive experience. You have to say that. Now, if you say you used to be. You just have to growing up as a Catholic eight in California. I was so mad that I couldn't be an altar boy, but it wasn't like a gender Justice thing. It was that the altar boys got to handle the wine, and I really thought that I was going to be like potential good bartender material. And here's these kids who are like seven years old and handling the line. I was like. So Rachel given that the statute of limitations has passed. I can tell you. I can confess to you that I saw altar boys. Mishandle the wine once or twice that happened. Save that for our weekend show. Okay. Swear where we're we're going to save that. Well, Rachel, well, we have governor John Hickenlooper in his first MSNBC interview since announcing his candidacy for president on Monday. He is going to join us, and we have the experts we need one. It's an important Michael Cohen day. Joining us in our first panel of guests tonight. And there is so much to report on that. We learned new things that's what one member of the house intelligence committee said today after Michael Cohen's second closed session in a week testifying to that committee. The member of the committee that member of the Kuni also said that Michael Cohen brought new documents to the committee today, the chairman of the committee, Adam Schiff said it was a. Quote, enormously productive session. One of the things. The house investigative committees are trying to learn is whether President Trump or his lawyers tried to use the possibility of a presidential pardon to prevent Michael Cohen and others from testifying against Donald Trump and breaking news report tonight. The New York Times is reporting that the president's TV lawyer Rudy Giuliani says that lawyers for several people approached him about the possibility of presidential pardons. The times reports Mr. Giuliani who has been representing Mr. Trump since last spring said he always insisted to defense lawyers that Mr. Trump would not consider granting pardons until the investigations were long over. I always gave one answer and they always left disappointed. Mr. Giuliani said the times notes tonight that President Trump's first legal team headed by Washington. Lawyer John Dowd, quote had discussions with lawyers for Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn in two thousand seventeen about pardons. ABC news is reporting that in the weeks following the. Raid on Michael Collins, home office and hotel room last year. Michael Cohen was quote contacted by two New York attorneys who claim to be in close contact with Rudy Giuliani. Sources describe the lorries contact with cone as an effort to keep him in the tempt. NBC news has confirmed that according to a source familiar with the matter Michael Cohen, provided the intelligence committee today with new documents showing edits to the written statement that he delivered to congress in two thousand seventeen about a project to build a Moscow Trump Tower. Here's Michael Cohen said about those edits in last week's public hearing. Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to congress about the timing of the Moscow tower negotiations before I gave it so to be clear. Mr. Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. He lied about it because he never expected to win. He also lied about it because he stood to make hundreds of millions of dollars on the Moscow real estate project. And so I lied about it too. Because Mr. Trump had made clear to me to his personal statements to me that we both knew to be false and through his lies to the country that he wanted me to lie, and he made it clear to me because his personal attorneys reviewed my statement before I gave it to congress. Michael Cohen has pleaded guilty to lying to congress in that written statement that he now says was edited by Donald Trump's lawyers Trump turning J Secolo denied the allegation by Michael Cohen that Trump lawyers suborned perjury to congress that Michael Cohen has now confessed to an pleaded guilty to. Here's what intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff said about Michael Collins new testimony today, he answered every question that was put to him by members of both parties he was fully cooperative with the committee. We had requested documents of Mr. Cohen. He has provided additional doc. Documents to the committee. There may be additional documents that he still has to offer and his cooperation with our committee continues. So I think the members found it enormously productive session. Some of the additional documents that Michael Cohen submitted to the committee today. No doubt include copies of checks to Michael Cohen. That were published in the New York Times today in last week's hearing Michael Cohen revealed some checks that he said, we're part of Donald Trump's reimbursement to him for the hundred and thirty thousand dollars Michael Cohen illegally paid to stormy Daniels during the presidential campaign a crime that Michael Cohen says he committed at the direction of then presidential candidate Donald Trump. We now have eight of the checks that were part of that reimbursement scheme. The first two of these checks are from the Donald Trump trust account an account that was established one ballot. Trump became president. And a trust was established by the Trump company. That was supposed to isolate the Trump bid. Business from Donald Trump himself during the presidency. Those first two checks from the trust are signed by the company's chief financial officer, Ellen Weisselberg and Donald Trump junior. The next check in the sequence should be an April check, which we have not yet seen and the check after that is may twenty third check that is the first one in the sequence that comes from a different checking account at pier. It appears to be a personal checking account of Donald J Trump, and it is signed by Donald Trump. Why the change in checks why the different checks from different checking account suddenly on may twenty third 2017? Why did the Trump business decide they no longer should be involved in the payments to Michael Cohen Robert Mueller was appointed special prosecutor on may seventeenth twenty seventeen. And it is the very next check after that six days later, the may twenty third check that suddenly comes from a different checking account and his signed by Donald Trump, personally, and all of the checks reimbursing. Michael Cohen for the rest of the year, come from that different checking account now, the Donald Trump, and everyone at the Trump isn't as knows that there is a special prosecutor investing investigating Donald Trump, and the Trump organization and all the rest of those payoff checks to Michael. Alan come from that Donald Trump chicken count with only one signature on those checks only the signature of Donald Trump was Allen Weisselberg no longer willing to sign those checks. Why did Alan ROY Weisselberg stop signing those reimbursement? Checks to Michael Cohen. After Robert Mueller was appointed special. Prosecutor surely someone in the house intelligence committee today behind closed doors asked Michael Cohen that question here's what Michael Cohen had to say after that closed door hearing today. The hearings went very very well. I believe that all of the members were satisfied with the statements and the responses that I gave to them. I told them that any additional information that they would want they should feel comfortable to reach out to my counsel. And I would continue to cooperate to the fullest extent of my capabilities. Join us now friend of Michael Cohen, Donny Deutsch MSNBC contributor, he texted with Michael Cohen before during and after his congressional testimony today. So he has the latest us and Tim O'Brien executive editor of Bloomberg opinion on MSNBC contributor. He's been reporting on Donald Trump literally for decades, he wrote a book about Donald Trump that got him sued by Donald Trump, and Tim O'Brien one that loss of Donnie of the checks. Seeing this change where you have you go from the two signatures of Alan Weisselberg, Donald Trump junior, and suddenly no one's willing to sign these checks anymore after a special prosecutors announced and we see one signature on the checks, Donald Trump. Yeah. I think he laid it out perfectly. And I think what's interesting is that Weisselberg, and we talk last time Tim, and I were on how he's going to be such a key figure. He was the guy doing everything. So it's fascinating that all the beside Trump has signing his own checks. One of the thing about Trump and checks. Trump does not like to pay money people know who've worked for Trump in New York over the years, very hard to collect for anything here. Now, all of a sudden, Donald Trump. Amidst his daily presidential routines is writing retainer checks to a guy who says barely even when he was working for him was his lawyer. Now he hasn't worked for him. Technically in months, just doing some advice, and all of a sudden urgently writing him checks on a very very timely basis. Very on Trump like, and Tim the there hasn't really been a defense offered for these checks. But what they've what they've tried to sort of pump out there through some of the Republican members of the committee who were public asking questions is that there was a retainer agreement for this lawyer Michael Cohen is indeed a lawyer, but you have all these public statements from Donald Trump himself saying that all. I didn't do anything for me. He was just this guy lead hang around. He didn't really do anything. So as usual on the record. We have Trump's statements that contradict eight sort of Trump theory of defense. But the other issue is if you're a lawyer in a retainer agreement those things are written. I've seen retainer agreements for lawyers, and they're pretty simple. Yeah. There's there's got to be a retainer agreement that you produce or there isn't an invalid Weisselberg can't produce that retainer agreement. I don't know how he justifies signing these checks. Well, then then we'd be shocked again cover. That's members of the Trump trio are lying about what's occurred here. You know, it's interesting that that irrevocable trust is in play right here because they set that up after Trump became president. And it was essentially this fig-leaf that was established to give the appearance that the Trump family is insulating. The Trump family businesses from the White House because the president came into the White House as the most financially conflicted president of the modern era every president prior to him and released their tax returns. And if. They had business holdings. They put them into a blind trust or sold them. Trump. Didn't do any of the above. And that are irrevocable. Trust is run by L Y slurry of the CFO. And his two eldest sons the fact that those checks were being cut on the trust presumes that the boys and Allen knew what the money was being spent on. So they now are part of a possible criminal conspiracy involving the payment of hush money and campaign finance law violations. I imagine that at some point they dawned on them. This is also not a particularly bright group of people probably apparently after the second or third checkout cut. They thought we'd been pulled into this. And they tell the president had asked to come from elsewhere. And Trump says, okay, I'll use my personal checking account now he has also said that he wasn't really sure where any of these funds were going or what they were being used for reminded me in the mid nineteen eighties by magazine did this great spoof where they mailed checks to different New York potential, the first of all from fifteen dollars fifty people including Donald Trump cashed it. Then for five bucks four people Donald Trump and then for fifty cents, and I think Trump was the oil and wash the final. This is a guy who knows where every dollar is going and dining one thing. Lindsey Graham said in his. Defensive on Trump. Here is people don't commit crimes with checks. What Lindsey Graham is suggesting in that is that Donald Trump as president of the United States could somehow get thirty five thousand dollars over over the course of the year, hundreds of thousands of dollars out of a Bank somehow in cash and deliver these massive piles of cash to Michael Cohen with all of those cash transactions being illegal if all of them like so so. Lindsey Graham is defenses. The why did he commit the crime in an even baulky or way that would actually create even more problems? We're not going to try and find logic and Lindsey Graham, otherwise that would four hours special, but I want to go back to this interesting. I want to draw a line to Bernie Madoff not that Trump is running a Ponzi scheme but had a fifty billion dollar fund, and they were one accountant in a little strip mall, you could because when you are doing a fairy stuff, you can't have a lot of people involved. Right. So what is going to be funny as funny what's going to be sad and tragic as we on peel this even in this, first instance, we're gonna see. And while sad, the audience will decide you we'll decide certainly be interesting that you're going to see everything just went through this little green visor guy where this huge supposedly huge corporation. There's a finance department. There's no controllers. There's no budget directors when you are running either a Ponzi scheme or a dishonest criminal organization, it's got to be very very isolated. And this was very isolated. You start to see it here. Let me get you into the pardons because you would know more about this than anyone of can talk to us as the stories that we're getting tonight saying that people's lawyers saying we're close to Rudy Giuliani or approaching Michael Cohen shortly after the raid and they're talking to him about possibilities. South staying in the tent this kind of code language. What do we know about that? I'm not liberty talk about that. But I will talk about Trump is an autocrat. And if you're an autocrat, and you also operate a bubble. What is the most autocrat tool of? A resident house it's apart. So you don't think knowing the way don't you more than anyone understanding Donald Trump understanding his constant need to ability to knock down obstacles that in some way, shape or form in a mafiose away. Not in a direct way that there wouldn't be overtures out there. It wouldn't make sense if they weren't. So I'm not at liberty talk about whether or for it or not offered. I do know though, that a common sense tells you that if you're Donald Trump, and you know, that Michael Cole knows where all the bodies were buried at some point. He would have wanted to at least keep him under the tent until it was no longer not one more thing about about the testimony behind closed doors by Michael Cohen, do you know, if in the closed door testimony Michael Cohen is in effect allowed by the southern district. Prosecutors and by Robert Mueller to say more now than in the public testing. No, he is he is really bound in terms of in these things, and look he's being very careful. That's what I find it. Laughable when people were suggesting that he was lying other day when they were editing. His thing is this guy that if he tells the truth, it's nothing if he lies he gets more jail time he's going to in front of the entire world. So oh, this is a good one the lawyers edited my statement. Yeah. I think I'm going to just say that my own, and that's not going to be truthful. So it's preposterous to think that's a lie. Michael's being very careful when it comes to any investigation southern district Muller or anything else is going on closed doors open doors, his line is there's certain places you can't go and Tim Allen Weisselberg. It just keeps coming down to Ellen Weisselberg. He's going to be asked at some point probably publicly in these hearings. Was there a retainer agreement? Can you show us the retainer agreement a piece of paper or he's just going to say no there wasn't Michael cones telling truth? This was our reimbursement method for him. He doesn't have a lot of range of possibility here. Well, that's also probably the least of his worries in terms of the questions. He's going to get because he's been there for decades. They're going to ask. Ask him about Trump's tax returns. They're going to ask him about possible money laundering. They're going to ask him about whether or not they committed insurance fraud, which is why I suspect before Alan Wetzel. Regan lands and congress. He's going to get an immunity deal in order to sit there and talk because the not his knowledge is so vast and expansive that I don't know how we could go in there and not incriminate himself because he's been tied to the hip with Trump for decades on the stuff. You know, if there weren't more heavier crimes involved in this. The first thing any accountant would point to in this which of checks is a business is paying a business expense to Michael Cohen and deducting it from their taxes, and that business suddenly decides it's not a business expense, and it's then paid by an individual the business payments were illegal, but that is the tiniest of the possible illegalities in this whole scare says, we talk like this is all very timing this scratching the surface, my friend. And your point is there is a mountain and Michael Cohen is now just playing around with the tip of the iceberg publicly. We see how Trump flaunts the law publicly imagine at the head of a private company what he was doing in the real estate business, which is so slippery to begin with any type of fraud stealing cheating, whether it be insurance whether it be back, whether it be taxes, whether it be philanthropic, that's what this guy does the only the guide to the workings of Trump world, and Tim O'Brien. Who's literally written the book about it? Thank you both very much for joining us. And when we come back, President Trump's secretary of homeland security refused to call a cage cage today and another Trump official insisted it's not his job to worry about children being sexually abused in Trump administration custody at the border and former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper is the presidential contender. Who will join us tonight in his first MSNBC interview since becoming an official presidential candidate. And at the end of the hour tonight today, the Trump administration announced that President Trump has completely failed to deliver on one of his most important campaign promises, and has in fact done exactly the opposite. Then he that he promised voters. He would do Trump administration. Didn't put it exactly that way. In those words, but it is new powerful ammunition that Democrats like John Hickenlooper running for president can use against Donald Trump. President Trump's secretary of homeland security established her credibility with congress a year and a half ago when she said this Norway's if predominantly white country, isn't it? And I I actually do not know that, sir. So the secretary of homeland security with the Scandinavian last name does not know that all of the countries in Scandinavia are predominantly white. She's not that she just doesn't think you have to tell the truth to congress. And so no one should have been surprised today when she refused to call a cage, a cage. Yes. Or no, we still putting children in cages to my knowledge. Cbp never purposely put a child in a cage, purposely, whatever. We putting children in cages as of today children are processed at the border facility stations that you've been at some of seen keys. I just want you to admit that the cages exist, sir. They're not cages what does a chain link fence enclosed into a chamber on a concrete floor represent to you is that a cage it's a detention space. Ma'am, says it differ from the cages you put your dogs in. When you let them stay outside. Is it is a different. Yes in what set I it's larger it has facilities. It provides room to sit to stand to lay downloaded my dog's cage. And that same hearing in the house homeland security committee, congressman the net. Baragan of California said this you said that you waited to give direction on how to implement the zero tolerance policy because you wanted to do with compassion. Do you know how -rageous that sounds? You wanted to separate children and families and you wanted to do it with compassion. So in the meantime, you didn't do anything at all. And you let kids be separated without tracking them, do, you know, how rages status Madam secretary. You have no feeling no, compassion empathy here in the Senate Judiciary committee today. Senator Kamala Harris got one of the most inhumane, not my job answers, ever, given in a Senate hearing, the Trump official who disgraced himself in that hearing was Kevin McLean. Like Leinen the Commissioner of customs and border protection. Last week. The Justice department reported that the office of refugee resettlement received four thousand five hundred fifty six allegations of sexual abuse or harassment of immigrant children in their custody between October of twenty fourteen July twenty eighteen one hundred and seventy eight of these allegations were against staff of shelters where the children were placed. I understand that HHS personnel. Of course, do not fall under your direct authority. But your agency is nonetheless handing over these children to HHS. Do you believe that you have any duty to raise a flag of concern that when you transfer these children to another agency that they may not be safe? I believe that's the duty of the management and leadership of health and human services, there inspector general or or the White House not in congress. Not mine. Not his job. Joining us now Maria Theresa commodity president and CEO of Oto Latino MSNBC computer, Jason Johnson, politics editor at the root dot com, and professor of politics and media at Morgan state university. He's also MSNBC political analyst and Maria. Theresa I wanted to get your reaction to actually you can pick whatever you just saw in what we introduced to react to any or all of it. I think Lawrence the fact that these individuals are not being held accountable for what they are doing to these children is atrocious. But it also shows the consequences of elections. The American people spoke in November. Now, you actually have oversight. If you were call about a year ago, we had some very six we had very similar conversations with secretary Nielsen where she was willing. Horizon didn't seem to care. And now this is where the literally the rubber hits the road, and she should care. Just today. The Trump administration finally admitted that there was over four hundred seventy one group of parents that have been separated from their from their children that were deport. Without their children without their consent. Four hundred seventy one Lawrence. This is on our watch. We also know that the United Nations has declared that what we are doing putting children in cages is in the vial direct violation of universal rights of children. The fact that we have over sixty children that are still separated from their parents, not only is talking to the again the disservice of the government is doing to these children. But more importantly the trauma are going to suffer. They're going to suffer as a result of it. And that is based on tons of studies by the American pediatric society. And finally, but not least we are creating desecrating a problem that did not exist to remind a lot of the viewers. There is an actual program in Central America. That allowed children to present themselves at US embassies to be reunified with their families that was done under the Obama administration and one of the first things that the Trump administration did when they basically created their budget in two thousand seventeen zero that out Jerusalem, I saw the cages at the southern border when I was done. And no one disputed it the people working there. They didn't dispute that these chain link containment. Compartments inside of these buildings were cages, they didn't have a problem with that the that description of what was there, they could tell you why it was set up that way and budget and all sorts of reasons, but they weren't fighting you on what you were seeing with your own eyes. Yes. It's like calling a prison adult condos, right? Like, this is the kind of nonsense that we're dealing with and Lawrence really offends me about this is what is it about Republican administrations where we're dragged into these asinine immoral conversations to justify behavior that anybody with common sense in two eyeballs noses wrong under the Bush administration. We had to argue what's actually torture. We know what torture is torture is something that nobody wants to deal with we know waterboarding torture. But we literally had to have discussions about whether torture. We now literally have the head of homeland security and members of this administration trying to get us to debate as to what a cage is we all know what cages is whether you have. Dog or not. So I'm very happy that we finally have Democrats who are doing their job and oversight. But what I really wanna see him. What's important is now that these people have been shamed. What can we do what in the voters? Do what will voters do this fall? And in twenty twenty to get these people out of office because I don't wanna be having these conversations and another two or three years we've lost more children. When more children have been sexually abused and organizations like d h s and border security and ice can completely. Hi, what kind of damage they've done to these kids because they don't have to give that information to the public and retreats in the Senate we saw Kevin michelina unnamed that should live in infamy incapable of even expressing concern for children's sexually abused who were in his custody. Once he's transferred them to another bureaucratic. Custody within the structure of the Trump administration as soon as they're out of his control. He couldn't even express concern about what happens to them after that. Well, I think the fact that you're putting children in cages that you have babies in cages that you are okay with children being sexually abused because it's not under quote, unquote, his his pay paygrade demonstrates how desensitize us administration is to the actually the fault of children based solely on their race. And that is the only way that you can justify what is happening because it is completely racist policy. If it was any other persons child, this would not be the no one would be alarmed, we as Americans should be not only outreach, but we should be in front of those detention centers every single day until every single family is reunified. The fact that in tornado which is under his preview tornado. It was the first internment camp for children. They basically waived background checks for for the people that we're going to work in those detention centers, and those are government employees, and we have a new. Alling from showing that sixty six percent disapprove of President Trump's use of emergency powers to fund the border wall. And Jason that just happens to be exactly the percentage you need in the Senate and the house to override a presidential veto. It's very clear the Senate is going to vote to disapprove of the president's emergency declaration. And we just don't know exactly how big the vote will be. And then whether they will be enough in the house and Senate to override a veto. Well, and that's the real question Lawrence. We know the president's very likely to veto it does the Senate do the Republicans have enough backbone. Do they have enough moral spine to say, look, we will even override the president's veto? This is a stain on the entire American government. Not just Republicans, but anybody who remotely associated with this should be embarrassed. We could all be dragged in front of the Hague for engaging in this kind of behavior, and I'm not using hyperbole. When I say that sort of thing, and I really hope that in the future that not only do they think. About what this vote means. But Mitch McConnell, and some of these people have got to talk to this president and say, look these are the kinds of decisions that should be made at the top. And you shouldn't be putting this on congress at all because wall and this policy make no sense. Jason Johnson Maria trace Kamar, thank you both for joining us that should it. And when we come back he is the former governor of Colorado, a purple state that Donald Trump lost. He was the governor who implemented the legalization of marijuana in Colorado. And he is now an officially declared candidate for president former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper will join us in tonight's contender interview. There are now officially twelve announced contenders for the democratic presidential nomination. John Hickenlooper was mayor of Denver from two thousand three to twenty eleven. He then served as governor of Colorado from twenty eleven until twenty eighteen when he reached his term limit and on Monday of this week. He became one of the contenders. By fishery announcing his candidacy for president. And we are glad to have governor Hickenlooper. Joining us tonight in his first interview as a contender on MSNBC here at the last word governor, thank you very much for joining us. Not really appreciate you bet. Thank you Lawrence. I appreciate being on a one of the. Policies that I've implemented for my presidential candidate interviews is to discuss nothing but policy. I don't care. What your poll numbers are? I don't care how much money you've raised this week. I've read about it. That's not for here. I want to know exactly what you would do and what you would support as president of the United States. And so let me begin with taxation and the discussion that we're that your party parties now engaged in on what the top tax rates should be. And what the top brackets should be what should the top income tax bracket. Be what should the top income tax rate? Be. Well, I'm not sure I've got a number of right off the top of my head. That's not something that we've we've dug down on. But I think the process by which we get to that those different levels of tax rate are going to be critically important. And I don't think there's any question that you what's been going on for the last several decades that the structure of capitalism in the United States has slowly but consistently been working against the middle class and poor people and you look at both in terms of their security and their their terms of their opportunity. They're not getting a fair shake it creating version of the of the American dream. So clearly part of the tradition of America is those that have succeeded find ways to create that opportunity for the next group the next generation coming along, and that's not happening of the Trump administration cut the top tax bracket. Top tax rate down to thirty seven percent. That's for individual filers at about five hundred thousand dollars been come on. President obama. It was up toward thirty nine and a half percent. And there's some supplementary tax it sometimes occurs above that. President Clinton's rate was also the thirty nine and a half percent. Would you want to see that thirty seven percent pushed up to the Clinton Obama rate? I think that certainly I think that's reasonable. When you look at all the necessities that we have in place to fund, especially if you also look at the the national debt, we can't keep spending and giving tax breaks to. Large corporations and the wealthy. I think it's worth taking a moment. Just and pointing out that so many different companies and corporations and enterprises. Or joint tax breaks and loopholes of all different kinds that maybe the first priority should be to look at. How do we tighten up the entire system? And then how do we make sure what we are taxing is is we're getting the maximum benefit for that. You know, one place. I put out as an example is payroll taxes, why we're actually penalising small businesses from hiring new people somehow, someway to place that money because again, I don't you know, we can't willy nilly go round cutting taxes, but we're certainly in some cases, taxing taxing the the small businesses and the different enterprises in a way that makes it harder for them to employ people the with the top tax bracket at five hundred thousand dollars that means that someone who's paying who has an income of five million or five hundred million is paying exactly the same rate as someone at five hundred thousand dollars. We used to have a top tax bracket of five mil. Dollars under Franklin Roosevelt. We have incomes now that are astronomical that are in effect treated exactly the same as the income of say to working physicians who were filing jointly should there. Be higher tax brackets. Like Alexander Cosio Cortez talks about unin comes over ten million. And then incomes above that. Yeah. I think the question is figuring out exactly what are those appropriate levels. This again, the tradition in this country. When I was a kid the upper tax breaks for seventy percent. I'm not suggesting that we go back up to those levels. But there's got to be assistant that again provides that there are sufficient resources, so that we have the creation of opportunity and people that are working their way up the economic ladder have some level of security, and we've lost that you think about it. They're Eighty-one thousand different trade associations, and I've got nothing against that. Trade associations play valuable role. But almost everyone has a lobbyist those lobbyists. Go to work every day every week every year to try and find a different benefit than sometimes it's not tax break. But some way that all the members of their association can do better relative to what they pay into government and over a period of time. That's pretty I think that becomes very damaging the end up watering down and filling with more and more loopholes our taxes. Governor. Can you stay with us? Because even though I did work on tax policy in the Senate. There's a lot of other things I'd like to talk about we'd like to get in the foreign policy question. Okay. We're going to squeeze in a quick break. We're gonna come back with governor Hickenlooper. Thank you governor. And we're back with former Colorado governor and democratic presidential candidate John Hickenlooper and governor you are in the third day of your presidential campaign. I'm going to try to get us through a lot more issues as quickly as we can your position on Medicare for all. You know? I think that the priority is that. I mean, I'd leave that healthcare should be a right not a privilege. We've gotta get to universal coverage through a lot of different ways to get there. In terms of Colorado. We've got told us ninety five percent covered. Almost universal coverage going through the Affordable Care Act and building a really innovative. Of an innovative way of adding onto the people that have private insurance. So you do see Medicare for all as a possible goal. Or is it something you would oppose? I think Medicare has many positive parts by probably would oppose Medicare for all just because they're over one hundred and fifty million people Americans who have some foreign private insurance with their business. And the vast majority of them are happy with that. I don't see how you transition from taking something away from all those people that are already happy what additional gun safety legislation would you support in congress? Well odyssey. Universal background checks. You know, when we actually got the state data for Colorado back in two thousand twelve getting half the gun purchases. Thirty eight people convicted of homicide had tried to buy a gun and we'd stop them hundred thirty three people convicted sexual yet. It was over three thousand people convicted of violent crimes had tried to buy guns, and we stopped them. I think that's going to be true in every single state. And if we go out do by state by state, literally within six months or year, I think we'd have national legislation. One more attacks question, which is not so much tax policy question. And that is that the Democrats in the house are trying to pass a Bill that requires the disclosure of ten years of tax returns for presidential candidates. Would you disclose ten years as a presidential candidate? Would you support it and make it law? So that future. Presidential candidates have to disclose ten years of tax returns. I think absolutely having transparency that every level of elected office is important, and I believe may. About the last two year last four years of my terms. I haven't been running for anything. But before that, I went back twenty five almost thirty years. So I've been happy to support making sure that everybody has to come clear on do they have conflicts of interest. And what do those look like? And how do we make sure that our elected officials are making decisions for the public good and not their own and governor what is your position on what we now know of the green new deal, and I just want to specify it's not written in legislative language. So it's not the same thing as something. That's actually been introduced in congress as legislation. It's more a set of goals, but what you've seen of it. What is your reaction to it? Well, you're right. It's a resolution, and I think what I really believe in. I agree completely with the urgency that we see in in the new green deal. It is the the time right now that we don't we can't rely on incremental progress. I've got a master's in geology. I think on the judges professional judges ever been a governor. And I look at you know, how far we have to go and how quickly and a lot of stuff. What we've done in Colorado where we got the oil and gas industries sit down with the environmental community, and we've got the only comprehensive methane regulations in in the country. We gotta get nothing regulations. All over the world fast. We've got to build an international relationships to get that get that done and the green new deal is that opportunity to really look at. How can we get as fast as we can get there? Some people criticized the universal working part of it. But I mean, we're we're three percent or four percent unemployment. I mean, we we've got almost everybody working already. So that's not as big an issue as some people make it out to be and governor on the Iran deal that President Trump has pulled the United States out of. Would you restore American participation in the Iran deal that was negotiated by the Obama administration? I think at this point you kind of create fractures in the deal. I think it's only prudent to look at ways to improve it. And again, I haven't seen all the details of what are the give and takes. But we'd be fools just to go back and and sign it if we can see that there's a better way of doing it that that being said to go backwards on deals that we have negotiated painfully and worked with our allies to create these, you know, really meaningful alliances. I think is over the long term more destructive than constructive. Governor John Hickenlooper. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. We hope you come back as your positions on the issues solidify as the debate intensifies, we're going to want to hear more from you. Thank you very much governor. Thank you Lawrence. We'll be right back with a last word about something. President Trump won't be able to campaign on. This time something he mentioned a lot in those last presidential campaign. Your remember the trade deficit today are manufacturing trade deficit with the world is nearly eight hundred billion dollars eight hundred billion dollars and going up going up fast on less. I become president. You will see a drop like you've never seen. You will never see. That was presidential candidate Donald Trump today. President Trump's administration announced America's highest trade deficit in history. The policy of Donald Trump managed to deliver a merchandise trade deficit of eight hundred ninety one point two billion dollars, and because Donald Trump understands absolutely nothing about international trade nothing. The president has done has worked the way he wants it to for example, President Trump illegally used a national security loophole in trade law to unilaterally impose tariffs on China. But tariffs on Chinese made solar panels, for example, have in fact, nothing to do with national security and what happened after President Trump used tariffs to try to reduce the amount of merchandise. China sells to the United States China ended up selling more merchandise to the United States and the United States and that up selling less to China. And now the trade deficit with China alone has hit a new record high of four hundred nineteen billion dollars. And what does President Trump have to say? Now that he has completely failed in his promise to reduce the trade deficit, and the trade deficit has actually gone up dramatically to new record highs. Thanks. You are powerful trade policies. The trade deficit is falling and falling and falling. Well, you didn't expect them to tell the truth about it. Did you now that Donald Trump has completely failed to do what he said he would do what the trade deficit in the presidential campaign? The only time you will hear Donald Trump talking about the trade deficit is when Democrats run negative ads against Donald Trump where they let Donald Trump do the talking. Eight hundred billion dollars and going up going up fast unless I become president. You will see a drop like you've never seen. You will never see. Donald trump. The greatest economic ignoramus in the history of the American presidency gets tonight's last word. Hey, guys, Willie Geist here reminding you to check out the Sunday, sit down podcast on the latest episode. We revisit one of our favorites with Emily blunt. I chat with the actress about reprising the iconic role of Mary Poppins, and what it was like to work alongside her husband, John Krasinski in last year's monster hit horror film, a quiet place. You can listen to that full conversation with Emily blunt right now on the Sunday, sit down podcast get it for free wherever you download yours.
What To Expect As The 2020 Democratic Candidates Debate Climate Change Policies
"Now, let's dig a bit deeper into the discussion of climate change that we're likely to hear tonight, and PR's energy and environment editor Jennifer ludden is here in the studio. Hey, Jennifer hairy. It's a new thing for climate to be atop issue among primary voters. And at debates. What's changed? Yeah. A lot. Yet last time, remember there was not a single question writing all the debate. Oh, no. Not at all this time, a lot of differences. A big one would be President Trump. I think what we're seeing is in part, a backlash to his rejection of climate science and his real push for fossil fuels falling out of the Paris climate accord, it cetera among other things. Also, we had a series of sobering scientific reports last fall just pointing out how dramatically the world needs to reduce greenhouse, gas, emissions that warm, the climate and pretty soon to avoid really catastrophic impacts. And, you know, just a lot of extreme weather disasters more people are feeling them including the candidates. They talk about it'd be at fires hurricanes flooding Iowa, this spring record flooding, a poll of democratic caucus voters. They're found three quarters of the candidates must treat climate change as the greatest threat to humanity. There was a push to have one debate there was entirely devoted to climate change. Is that going to happen, so far, not the Democratic Party has rejected? It said, we can't do this for everything, you know, there's pa-. Titian. We'll see. But you know this week's debates are in Miami. And it's pretty hard to avoid the issue there that city is seeing, you know, more and more flooding from rising sea levels, or spending a boatload of money to address that, you know, even Republicans in Florida have been trying to push their party to do more in this issue just last month. Florida's Republican governor put that a new job posting for the state's first chief resilience officer to figure this out a lot of a conversation. Among Democrats is centered around the green new deal, which is a sort of framework of ideas but not a lot of detailed policies. What specifically are the candidates saying they would do the main big thing there's this push for net zero greenhouse gas gas emissions by mid century. This is a big trend cities and states are saying we're going to cut our carbon emissions down to cl- as close as we can desire to make that happen. You have some candidates, supporting a carbon tax or some kind of price on carbon, which communists, say would be really the most efficient way to, to shift the economy. Hey, from from fossil fuels. A lot of the candidates, very big on investing in clean energy, trillions of dollars different amounts different candidates. Their Washington governor jeans league goes, the farthest his policy would really call for an eventual ban on all fracking, an awful so feel production kind of this keep it in the ground approach. You've been hearing from activists to keep in mind, what a challenge that would be the US recently became the world's largest producer of oil and gas. And, you know, a lot of these proposals would name majority support in congress and the next president may not have that, are there any outliers in the democratic field, who don't support some big sweeping plan to limit carbon emissions and slow climate change. Okay. Well, not all of them have had a climate plan, so far in, you know, some emphasize it more than others. But Colorado governor John Hickenlooper has been critical of the green new deal saying you know as proposed in congress. It kind of relies too much government and not private industry. Colorado is a big oil and gas state he oversaw expansion there. But he does support tax on cars. Elizabeth Warren, her corruptions, her main focus, and she says, look, if you're going to really make headway in this issue, the first thing you gotta do is get big oil money out of politics. And speaking of big oil money climate change. Activists have called on candidates to pledge to refuse. All fossil fuel money. Have they most of them have said they will nineteen so far a few who still have not that his NPR energy and environment editor Jennifer ludden? Thanks a lot. Thank you.
Winnowing the Field
"Official secrets from the director of eye in the sky based on the true story of catherine gone a british spy who risked a death sentence to make public her own government's efforts to lie to take the country to war starring cure nightly ray fines and matt smith in select theaters august thirtieth visit official. No secrets dot movie for details finding the right pros for home. Projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions like how do i find a pro who can help will they do a a good job. Will i get a fair price. That's where homeadvisor can help from leaky faucets to major remodels. Homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even even helps you get a fair price reviews. Check project cost guides and book appointments. Go to homeadvisor dot com or download the free homeadvisor app to start your next project pay everyone. I'm david chalian the c._n._n. Political director and this is the daily d._c. z. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast winnowing the field. Yes the two thousand twenty democratic field grew a bit shorter in the last as twenty four hours when washington state governor. Jay inslee announced his plans to drop out of the presidential race. Here's a bit of him. Announcing that decision on m._s._n._b._c.'s rachel maddow show we had a hundred and thirty thousand people helped me in this campaign but it's become clear that i'm not going to be carrying the ball. I'm not going to be the president and song withdrawing <hes> tonight from the race but i have to tell you look i've been fighting climate change for twenty five years and i've never been so confident of the ability of american outta meech critical critical mass to move the ball. I believe we are going to have a candidate to fight this battle. There is little doubt that though jay inslee was not able to gain traction with democratic primary boaters never cracking pass one percent in the polls he is leaving a mark on this race he put climate change as an issue front and center not not only in his campaign for the presidency but for the entire democratic field he was a pace setter he talked about how climate change impacted every aspect aspect of american life whether it is the economy or health care or national security. There is not an issue that doesn't have climate change back at its core and as he said in the detroit debate in july time is running out there's time maybe from his point of view to get this fixed and get it right but there's not much time and so in lee clearly intends to keep climate change front and center just this from the sidelines of the presidential race we expect him to announce his plans for the future today which is that he is expected to seek a third term home as governor of washington so leaving the presidential race but looking to renew his gubernatorial contract with the people of washington state and will no doubt remain a name now in in the national political discourse. He is not the only now former presidential candidate to announce their future future plans today former colorado governor and denver mayor john hickenlooper who dropped out of the presidential race. Some days ago announced today via video that he is going to seek the democratic nomination for the u._s. Senate from colorado. He is seeking to take on cory gardner. The incumbent republican lookin' senator who is target number one for the democrats in their quest to try and take back the senate majority hickenlooper was heavily recruited into the race by chuck schumer the senate minority leader and he is by far the candidate in the field with the highest name recognition and clear lear past history statewide with colorado voters. Eighty is a crowded democratic primary. We'll see if other candidates fold up their tents now that hickenlooper is is in but hickenlooper is who the democrats think have the best chance to secure this pickup and put the democrats on a path through the map of trying to win back back the senate majority. Here is a little bit of john hickenlooper announcement video his senate campaign. I've always said washington was a lousy place for a guy like me who wants to get things done but this is no time to walk away from the table. I know changing washington is hard but i want to give it a shot. I'm not done fighting for the people of colorado. I'm john hickenlooper candidate. The united states senate so to western governors hickenlooper. Earn inslee didn't make it through august of twenty one thousand nine hundred in their presidential quest steve bullock the other western governor in the race has said he is not at all going to consider dipping his toe in the montana anna senate race. He is staying committed. He says to his presidential campaign but here is the reality of where we are now in this race. This is not going to be in the last time somebody is dropping out between now and labor day. I'm not big on predictions but here's the reality next wednesday. Everyone's gonna learn which candidates made the houston debate the third debate from the middle of september and which candidates didn't it could be half the size of the debate stage. We had twenty candidates in miami twenty twenty and detroit it right now. Ten have qualified for the september debate. We'll see if in the next five days more polls come out that make that stage wjr that debate have eleven or twelve people and split it over two nights but right now it's at ten half the size of the field that appeared in the first i to democratic national committee sanctioned debates if you don't have the debate stage and if your money is starting to run out and you're not getting any traction you are going to start art looking yourself in the mirror as presidential candidate and come to a very hard decision about what the viable path forward is so yes you can point to a lot of history sorry that we don't know how this nomination's gonna go and that it's still early it ease early and the dynamics change and people can rise to the top and fall fall from now through the voting beginning in iowa but that does not mean at all that it is early for folks who haven't been able to bust past one percent in the polls who are running out of money and who are no longer going to have the national exposure of the debate stage age. The early for those folks eight is actually very late and very much near the end so watch this space for potential future announcements about people ending their candidacies but it is interesting to see that to the high profile folks to get out in the last week or ten days. Are these western governors. It was not that long ago in american presidential political history a governor being a governor was the credential that helped secure your standing in the race. Perhaps helped propel people to the nomination. Uh of barack obama and donald trump broke that trend but ronald reagan jimmy carter bill clinton george w bush all all have that gubernatorial credential in in presidential politics and clearly that is not where the democratic party seems to be headed for its the nominee this time around that does it for this edition of the daily d._c. Thank you all so much for listening. Hope you'll tune again right here tomorrow. 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Broken hyoid bone in Jeffrey Epsteins neck raises more questions about apparent suicide
"<music> good morning. I'm james holman from the washington post and this is the daily tutu for thursday august in today's as news. A seven hour standoff in philadelphia is over with six police officers wounded. John hickenlooper is poised to drop out of the presidential race probably probably today and bibi netanyahu may block to members of the squad from entering israel but first the big idea an autopsy found that jeffrey epstein sustained multiple breaks his neck bones deepening the mystery about the circumstances surrounding his death among the browns broken and epsteins neck was the highway bone which is near the adam's apple according to forensics experts in studies on on this subject such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves particularly if they're older but they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation these details which post colleagues carolina aaron davis scooped overnight or the first findings to emerge from the autopsy. The convicted sex offender died early saturday morning guards found him hanging in his cell the metropolitan correctional center in manhattan attorney general bill barr whose department oversees the bureau of prisons described the death as an apparent suicide suicide on sunday the office of new york city's chief medical examiner barbara samson completed an autopsy of the body but simpson is listed. The cause of epstein's sin's death is pending when the post asked her about these neck injuries samson said in a statement that no single factor in an autopsy can alone provide the conclusive answer about what happened but these new details add to the bizarre circumstances surrounding epstein's death which have launched a wave of questions in conspiracy theories. Even president trump is egged on speculation without evidence that epstein who alleged victims say they were pushed to have sex with his powerful and celebrity friends might have been killed to keep him from spilling the secrets of others people familiar with the autopsy. Samson's office is seeking additional information on epsteins conditions in the hours before his death. This could include video evidence of the jail hallways which would establish whether anyone entered epstein self during the night he died it would also include the results of a toxicology screening to determine if there were any unusual substances says in his body and her team will conduct interviews with guards and inmates who were near his cell jonathan arden the president of the national association of medical examiners tells tells us that can be broken in many circumstances but is more commonly associated with homicide in strangulation then suicide and hanging he's not involved in the epstein matter but he says that in general a finding of a broken highway requires pathologists to conduct much more rigorous investigation that investigation include analysis of the location of the news how narrow narrow the nooses and if the body experienced any substantial drop in the course of the hanging the age of the deceased is important ardent explained that the highway starts tout is three small bones with joint like connections but then when we get into middle age it hardens into a u shape the can break more easily highway <unk> highway fractures have previously sparked controversy in jail deaths one of the first stories i ever covered when i started at the washington post in two thousand eight as a metro reporter covering crime. I'm in maryland was the death of ronnie white. White was a teenager who killed a police officer by ramming him with a stolen car and prince george's county the day after cops captured him in a manhunt authorities announced that he had died of an apparent suicide in jail but then two days later the cause of death was changed homicide when the state medical examiner discovered that the team had a broken hired medical examiners concluded that white was probably strangled with a sheet towel or a crux of the elbow uh-huh eventually years later the officer who moved whites body pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice but no one was ever charged in white steph breath. The incident inflamed racial tensions eleven years later. It's still a point of contention in the community and that's the big idea up. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar number one just after midnight a suspect surrendered after shooting six police officers in north filadelfia neighborhood that had ignited a standoff dragged out for more than seven hours. The suspect is maurice hill a thirty six year old philadelphia resident with with a history of gun convictions. The mayor of the city of brotherly love says that all the officers who got hit are in good spirits and they're each expected to recover philadelphia police. Please commissioner richard ross said in a news conference early this morning that he was surprised the suspect surrendered because he said he wouldn't the commissioner added that tear gas shot into his home ultimately resulted in him coming out with his hands up. The suspect that is gunfire. I broke out around four thirty pm. When cops attempted to serve a narcotics warrant that went awry almost immediately really once they were inside the house barrage of bullets forced officers to return fire and retreat through windows and doors initially. There were two officers inside the house with the gunman. They were there for a few hours until swat team evacuated them but the gunmen remained in side the house until the tear gas came number two former colorado ratto governor john hickenlooper is preparing to withdraw from the contest for the democratic presidential nomination and will probably announce a decision as early as today he can looper has been under pressure from national national and state democrats to abandon his presidential ambitions and to instead challenge republican senator cory gardner who is regarded as one of the most vulnerable incumbents in the country in twenty twenty trump is not expected to do very well in colorado which in recent elections had been swing state hickenlooper reportedly has not made a final decision at the senate according to two knowledgeable sources sources a third democrat who's following the movements and colorado closely says he believes hickenlooper will join the senate race soon the former two term governor who left office at the start of this here began to inform friends in colorado last night of his likely decision to quit the race number three democrats in congress are are quietly bracing for a new public fight with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu after his government informed congressional leaders yesterday that it would formally leeann ounce that congresswoman ilhan omar the democrat from minnesota and rashida to leave the democrat from michigan would be denied entry into the country because of support for a boycott movement against israel but it's now unclear if netanyahu will follow through on this decision after a very strong private backlash from the democratic leadership ship in some u._s. based pro israel groups who warned against the precedent of barring sitting members of congress from entering israel because their political beliefs democrats say such moves moves or not emblematic of a country that prides itself as a democracy tolerant of political expression. The prime minister met a few hours ago with senior ministers and heads of the security establishment and legal bridges has to reach a final decision about what to do with three weeks to go before a repeat election on september seventeenth. The long-serving leader is fighting a bitter battle to stay in office and he needs to appear pure strong to his fractured right wing base axios reported over the weekend that trump was very disappointed in complained to aids about what israel's earlier announcement that would permit to leave and omar to visit the two women are among the four lawmakers who the president said should go back to where they came from. Even though three of the four were born in the u._s. and one omar has been a u._s. citizen since she was eighteen that makes it ironic that trump doesn't want them to be able to leave the united states states to visit the middle east and that's the daily to oh to for thursday august fifteenth. Thanks for listening. I'm james insulin. I'll talk to you tomorrow on uh-huh.
AM QUICKIE: August 30th, 2019 w/ Sam Seder & Lucie Steiner
"Friday august thirtieth. I'm sam cedar and i'm lucy steiner. Which one of these stories will you be talking about today. Senate democrats kratz campaign arm is caught pressuring consultant not to work with the leading progressive candidate in colorado. Meanwhile the death toll from an ebola outbreak in africa climbs times two two thousand people lastly trump says the u._s. will drop military forces in afghanistan to eighty six hundred troops under a new peace deal with the taliban. You're listening to majority f._m. A._m. quickey and these are the stories you need to know. The intercept reports that the democratic senatorial campaign committee pressured consultants from at least five firms not to work with a leading progressive candidate in the twenty twenty colorado. No senate race andrew romanoff who is one of more than a dozen candidates vying for republican senator cory gardner seat told the intercept that multiple consultants turned down job with his campaign citing pressure from the d. s. c. c. a consultant who spoke to the intercept on the condition of anonymity said that their firm had been in talks to to work for romanov when they got word that senate minority leader chuck schumer wasn't happy and the firm was told by the d. s._e._c. that they were quote absolutely under no circumstances could they work for andrew romanoff and withdrew the offer to be consulting firm and by the way the endorsed former colorado governor john hickenlooper last week once said he wasn't cut out for the senate and who also dropped out of the two thousand twenty presidential race in august after barely even even moving the needle well done chuck schumer. Keep up the good work the b._b._c. reports that over two thousand people have died from ebola outbreak in the the democratic republic of congo. It's the second worst outbreak of the disease on record. The world's largest epidemic took place between two thousand fourteen and twenty sixteen which killed more than eleven thousand dozen people in west africa meanwhile the d._r. Congo's neighboring country of uganda confirmed that a nine year old girl with bola who had crossed the border has died the world health organization tation is called the ebola outbreak one of the world's most complex humanitarian crisis and a quote public health emergency of international concern the majority dot f._m. A._m. Quickey is fueled by just coffee dot co op. Just coffee is a worker owned coffee roaster based in madison wisconsin that is sponsored. I answered the majority report for nearly a decade check out their collection of fair trade roasts including our own majority report glenn and regardless of what you order receive ten percents off your order when you use the code the majority at checkout and all shipping is free. That's coupon code majority at jazz coffee dot co op the u._s. U._s. will cut its military forces in afghanistan to eighty six hundred troops. The trump administration set on thursday. This is the first on the record confirmation of that number and politico reports reports that the taliban's main demand in the negotiations is that all u s forces leave afghanistan the chairman of the joint chiefs said yesterday that it's quote premature or discuss whether the u._s. would eventually meet that demand or would insist on a stay behind counterterrorism force aimed at the islamic state and al qaeda trump. However said that the counterterrorism forces will remain in afghanistan well after the withdrawal. Were going to always have a presence trump told fox news radio. We're gonna have to have high intelligence. Yes ladies and gentlemen forever worse now for some quicker quickies good final lineup for the third democratic debate is set for a single night in houston in two weeks on september twelfth ten candidates will appear on stage in the following order from left to right amy klobuchar cory booker people to judge bernie sanders joe biden elizabeth warren kamala harris andrew young bandido and julian castro. We'll be covering. It live on the majority report on that evening. Political reports that the democratic national committee committee will recommend rejecting a plan for virtual caucuses in iowa and nevada introducing a level of uncertainty in the caucus states ahead of the upcoming election season season kay. Ivey republican governor of alabama has apologized for participating in a racist skit that involved black face when she was a college student and hurricane hurricane doreen is set to turn into a category four storm with winds topping one hundred and thirty miles per hour before it makes landfall on labor day models are predicting the full force the storm could make it to the center of florida koi koi. That's that's it folks. Thanks for listening majority dot f._m. A._m. quickey lucy thank you sam. Don't forget to check out the majority report today at noon wherever your podcasts are found.
EOC 166: Fracked Politics
"Election day, November six Colorado. This could be one of the most divisive days in the states recent history. Now that probably doesn't mean much to most people considering the American political climate the last couple years, but this one felt different. This is the story of one twelve. No, not that one twelve I'm talking about Colorado proposition. One twelve though not as sexy in arguably much more controversial, the issues of health and environment taking form in the effects of potentially lowered birth weights cancer risks or contaminated drinking water have come face to face with the possibility of thousands of jobs being lost overnight and detrimental losses into the billions of dollars to Colorado's economy, and it all happens within twenty five hundred feet. Welcome to fracking in America. This is the is on conservation podcast episode one sixty six I'm Gregory haddock. I draw fracturing or fracking as it is more commonly known is a drilling technique used for extracting oil or natural gas from deep beneath the ground. It's most implicit explanation. It is a type of will albeit a very deep one. The process starts with a hole drilled a mile or more below the surface of the earth, creating a narrow mind shaft several hundred meters deep because the shaft is so long it is reinforced along the way with steel and cement to add strength and seal off the channel from surrounding areas. Once the well reaches reserve of oil or natural gas, the shaft turn sharply and against moving horizontally instead of vertically this horizontal movement can continue for mile or more beyond the vertical shaft next fracking. Fluid cold slick water is pumped down the shaft, creating extremely high pressure. As the pressure builds the surrounding rock, fractures, creating fissures or cracks that allow the oil and gas to flow. Freely as it is pumped back to the surface. When it comes to fracking regulations on the ballot. There are likely fewer places more concerned than weld county. Colorado where I live weld county has a lot invested in the outcome. Because nearly twelve percent of its workers are somehow either directly or indirectly tied to its production proposition. One twelve made it onto the ballot. Because for many the debate over how safe this process actually is. And how dangerous the wastewater by product can be has not been adequately dealt with. So what would the legislation actually do? Proposed guidelines set by proposition. One twelve with create a setback for all new oil and gas development, a minimum of twenty five hundred feet away from any quote vulnerable areas, such as homes, hospitals schools and highly traffic there used areas by people this includes public open spaces water sources playgrounds. Any other areas deemed vulnerable by state or local governments would be added to that list? It would not affect any new oil and gas projects on federal land and existing projects would be exempt. However, reentering old wells would be considered new developments and would therefore be subject to the new laws. Current restrictions demand. Wells be one thousand feet away from high occupancy buildings like schools and hospitals and the like only five hundred feet away from occupied buildings like homes three hundred fifty feet away from any outdoor areas such as the playground. That's left distance than Rockies third baseman Nolan has to run when expansions the ball. And of course, Phil here's his two to pitch and well, the left see you later. It might be an understatement to say that the average inhabitant of weld is cautious of change in two thousand thirteen weld county made international news when political activists fed up with out of touch liberals and Denver came together to propose the fifty first state of the union the state of north Colorado, not at all discouraged that one St. hadn't successfully seceded from another since West Virginia did it in eighteen sixty one the campaign was put to voters when those eleven counties took the question to the polls and voters in six of the eleven counties voted not to see. The spark for secession in northern Colorado. And in particular, weld county was aggravated by political pressures of how to deal and how to prepare the state for greener future through the introduction of more environmental regulations. That was one part of it. These counties are rich agricultural hubs for cattle and grain to boot oil and gas production in those eleven counties already accounted for nearly eighty percent of the state's domestic production in two thousand thirteen and since then the industry in Colorado has only doubled in other words much of the same tensions that flooded a movement to secede from Colorado six years ago have also doubled. We're talking about communities that make massive portion of their revenue from few specialized sources, and when those revenue streams are threatened in any way it seen as an attack on their livelihood. That's why when Colorado initiative ninety seven also known as proposition one twelve made it onto the ballot. This november. Over many familiar frustrations seemed to come along to I'm against it. I think it's too restrictive. I think that it could have been written better. So it wasn't so restrictive and impact so many people's so drastically outside the polling center in Johnstown, Colorado asking people what they think about proposition one twelve voted. No on one twelve. My husband works Neue field. I think it's a pretty bad idea for Colorado, just based on the amount of jobs that would be essentially dissolved if oil and gas was to be banned. Like, I know they say twenty five hundred set foot setback from you know, houses, but they also say from rivers and reservoirs, and I essentially think that that's a ban completely on Colorado. Very limited areas could be could be fresh out east. I am on. Yes. Because I feel that it's it's stain. It really is my parents live in Bertha out in the country, and they have one of those things I mean, really close to them. And it's just just from the little I know it's a it's a dangerous thing. My husband is a truck driver. So that would affect him. But I believe it's it's more of an effective of on on people and their health. I think it would be bad for Colorado's economy. I think it costs a lot of jobs to be lost. And I think it's an important sector in our economy proposition, one twelve well, if proposition one twelve goes into effect if it's boated, yes. Then the state of Colorado is going to be in dire need for tax bunny. So that's my opinion. Protect Colorado, the main opposition group against proposition. One twelve declined to be interviewed for this story, but spokesperson Karen crummy has said the effects would be devastating with thousands of jobs lost and billions of dollars for the economy as well. Some opponents have even gone as far as to call the proposition a total ban on fracking. But is that true? Exactly. What would be the effects of the proposed setback on new oil and gas developments to find out? I went straight to the source of proposition. One twelve spoke with an Lee foster and her exuberant, puppy Jacobo. It's so nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Cova? She koba. Hey. My name is Ann Lee foster in a volunteer organizer with Colorado rising, and I'm also one of the ballot initiative proponents. So my name and Suzanne Spiegel's name is on all the paperwork that brought the law to the state. I began by asking MS foster why the ballot initiative and not another avenue like the Colorado legislature. So really years of community organizing of citizens Colorado's across the front range trying to address this massive industrial oil and gas activity that was encroaching on our communities. So we have gone to the state legislature the courts, we've gone to our city council meetings gone to the state regulatory body, the Colorado oil and gas conservation commission, and tried to have any sort of common sense protections put in place for our communities against fracking and oil and gas activity, and at every turn have been told that nothing can be done and that the industry will develop how and when they want without any say from our communities, and so that has culminated in the citizens attempting to balance the scales and take. Power back by using the direct democracy process of the ballot initiative. I don't think there was one instance in particular, but but like I said years and years of people trying everything going to the governor going to the Colorado oil and gas conservation commission and the commissioners are literally texting on their phone and not listening to any of the public testimony. We had nine out of eleven oil and gas related bills die at the legislature this past session for really really simple regulations and provisions to make oil and gas typically a little safer, and so the the culmination of all of that of all of those efforts really showed these people us that the only way that we were going to make any real change is to do it ourselves and thankfully in Colorado. We have the ability to do that through the ballot initiative process. Oil and gas companies are quick to remind us how safe developments are and every necessary. Precaution is being. Taken to ensure our safety and the health of the environment. If a ballot initiative was going to impact Colorado's economy in any fashion. There had better be a good reason. Hell even democratic governor John Hickenlooper came out against one twelve and has been quoted as saying fracking is good for the country's energy supply. Our national security our economy and our environment. In quote, here's audio from townhall a couple years before one twelve was drafted when John Hickenlooper was talking about fracking and Colorado, Colorado with formations significantly deeper that the groundwater in almost every single the state the chance of the actual process of fracking, pushing the the Franklin into the groundwater is essentially an almost nothing it again, it's an industrial process. I don't want to minimize the risks. Right. It's got to be done properly and it needs to be regulated. But. Frankie is not this. His terrible. I thought to say that they have spilled Frank Lloyd into they've had pause. The. What a rip the. Fleet into gut downplay. That's hard remediating. That's probably we should respond should make sure that they. That doesn't happen. They're doing enough expiration ten they don't they don't even use Pinson, right? They recycle all their friends will be anywhere. I mean, anywhere with you. Adaptations or schools must those all that we should make sure there's no escape nothing that there is no no pissed that there's that we recycle everything that we do what we call aside from being a former oil and gas geologist Hickenlooper has also been heard telling people that of course, nobody wants it in their backyard leaving people to wonder if he can Looper actually believes that the process is a safe as the industry says it is. Hydrocare. Industrial process. For one year are exposed to explosions, which are obviously negative health impact benzine exposure, which is a nose known carcinogen has been well documented from oil and gas activity. There are several studies that show a correlation between low birth weight and living near oil and gas activity and widespread what what could possibly go wrong increased cancer risk respiratory disorders, all kinds of stuff. There's been several studies that have documented elevated benzene and oil and gas workers blood the World Health Organization has said that there's no safe exposure level to benzine. So that's very concerning and just last weekend. There was a Bank battery tank that exploded and injuring three workers and one of them is in a medically induced coma for the next two weeks. And they actually just started go fund me to cover his medical bills because he's not fully insured by the oil and gas company one of the most significant. Birthweight? Studies was done by Princeton University and the university of Chicago, it looked at one point one million babies over ten years on one point one million bursts in the state of Pennsylvania. And we just ask a simple question for infants were born to mothers at live, very close to active hydraulic, fracturing wells is their health is health compromise. And what we found is that within one kilometer. So that is about six tenths of a mile the probability of a low birth weight birth. So that is a birth at a way of less than twenty one hundred grams increases from about six and a half percent to eight percentage points. And this is about a twenty five percent increase to quite substantial increase. We also found evidence that between one and three kilometers. There is there is some evidence of elevated rates of low birth weight as well. L, although the effects are smaller equally important is at distances larger than three kilometers that is about two miles. We find no evidence of any impacts on infant health. So the bottom line from our study is that it appears that infant the probability that infant health is compromised goes up most clearly within one kilometer and possibly all the way out to three Colorado, two miles, and there's little oven for any impact further dismissive, and for those local communities, they're going to be judging whether or not the local benefits exceed the local costs, and they looked at up to three kilometers and showed negative impacts from being three kilometers away from activity as well. She's saying that what the ballot initiative is right now would still be within that one kilometer range. Right. Right. So it's a fairly modest proposition. When you're looking at. All of the health studies that show negative health impacts from living near oil and gas. The main can leak concerns are from the wellhead site. All like every single joint on an F you've ever gone up close to one of these things covered in you know, pipe joint. Pipe fitting joints, every one of those has potential to leak, and there's it's been well documented, the extensive amount of leaks from those sites that are putting off methane, which is incredibly detrimental to the climate as well as benzene ethylbenzene in these carcinogens says a recent CU boulder study, it was twelve it was funded by twelve million dollar grant from the National Science Foundation. And they found that the industry was leaking three times what they had originally thought. So it's it's a significant problem. What what what does leaking into a water supply? Do that is definitely not a good thing. So fracking fluid is are fracking wastewater is actually radioactive so too Duke University studies that were recently published in the past month or so found that the interaction of fracking fluid with the shale layer actually makes the water radioactive the shale layers naturally radioactive. So if that leaks you're getting all of that into the water supply as well. So that's definitely a big concern. Don't want that to happen. The EPA has documented groundwater contamination from fracking one twelve passing would mean the elimination of eighty five percent of Colorado's non federal land for new oil and gas developments the Colorado oil and gas conservation commission or CO g. Has said nearly half of the total land in Colorado would be unavailable for use SNP analytics says nearly half of all and gas production would end within five years. The CO sees map has shown that about fifty two percent of the total state would be off limits to surface development, but they have not assessed what's accessible through directional drilling. What's what's accessible, what minerals are acceptable from that surface? And that's really the most critical data here to present. It only talking about surface development is very misleading because it's the that's they're trying to get at these underground minerals, which they can access from quite far away. I do know that there is some flaws and the CO C's G, I S data set that they used parts a lot of the eastern part of the state. They just simply didn't have the GPS information. To properly map from the identified areas that the setback is from. And so there are there are some flaws in that process. But once again, the the surface area that is off limits is a is a much different perspective than what's off limits from directional drilling. Wait a minute. Wait, wait a minute. If this feels like an episode of the Simpsons, that's because it's almost exactly right. It straight out of season. Seven in the episode who shot Mr. burns, my totally mistaken in picturing like burns slanted dro- company from the Simpsons bring any I know the Simpsons. Well, there's like a. Found out that the elementary school is sitting on an oil reserve in it Springfield elementary discovers. It is sitting on vast oil reserve leading mister burns to pose as a student to gain access to the supply. Scanner that has your secretary. There is one last here. I don't have a secretary or an interim. But sentiment. Dean, I understand taking suggestions from students. Hey. We need my phone germs. Thinking would be quite cooking. If you'd sign over your oil wheel to the local energy consuming. Mr burns. But it was not even to think I would mistake towns. Most prominent one hundred four year old man for one of my elementary school students. They've got monopoly to maintain. I owned the electric company and the what it works plus hotel and bolt together new hotels, a dump near monopolies pathetic schools. Well is not for sale particularly to a black hearted scout like yourself. Just to attack. You must have that full. Smith helped me do this. East starring turn. This is how I can find tank that. And please don't waste those. When that doesn't work Mr. burns sets up burn slant drilling company and steals, the oil from an adjacent lot indirectly above the reserve while the Simpsons portrays it in spectacular fashion, the process is real, and it's called horizontal drilling. No does which on our oil pump for the very first time. Here's our top student. Lisa simpson. There's no pressure. Someone else has tapped this. Well, I got on. To that mighty his food with its precious fluid almost six release me this. That's exactly what happened. So they can either drill straight down or they can drill at an angle to reach the shale layer of rock, and then they drill out into the shale layer and busted apart to release the natural gas that's trapped inside. So that actually that's so interesting that same scenario is literally happening in weld county. So there's a twenty four well pad site that has been set. Seven hundred and twenty feet, I believe away from the playground of Bella Romera academy. So they that's exactly what they're doing. They've put this massive industrial site twenty four while pad is the size of strip mall right next to a child elementary school playground. And they and the horizontal drilling will be going underneath that school. Kinda crazy still some statistics are showing that a place like weld county would be seventy eight percent off limits. That's a huge deal. If your family depends on that work. And this is let a lot of one twelve opposition to call out the proposition as an all out ban on oil and gas. So let's get down abreast tax. How much land would actually be off limits. Yes, there's two reports that were just came out one from the Colorado school of mines and one from our s energy group that disproved all of the claims that one twelve is a ban. What it showed was that using directional drilling and lateral drilling. Which is technology that the industry already has they will be able to access significant amounts of minerals erves from the available surface area after one twelve passes. So all of the maps that they have been talking about in supporting the claims. That one twelve is a ban are only looking at what's available on the surface. They're not looking at what they can access using lateral and horizontal drilling in Colorado about eighty five percent of the permits are for horizontal wells and they consistently drilled two to three miles in the state of Colorado. So even if they have to be set back twenty five hundred feet, they can still drill several miles away from that surface location and access significant amounts of of oil that they're trying to get as if this issue wasn't messy enough to make things more complicated. Colorado's ballot this. You're also features amendment seventy four which states that landowners can be compensated for lost access to mineral resources. The fears if proposition one twelve and amendment seventy four were both to pass Colorado could be tied up in a slew of lawsuits are you concerned about Colorado being pulled into lawsuits over private property rights for one as it stands takings does not apply in this to to prop one twelve at all. So property rights are limited. And they are limited in the fact that you cannot infringe on the public health and safety or create a nuisance in with your takings claim. So that's why there's never been a success a successful takings lawsuit in New York where they actually banned oil and gas it just doesn't apply here. Kevin Lynch takings. Oh, that's what the that's this idea that if somebody has. Devalued your property by not allowing you to develop it, then you can sue them for takings of your of your investment of your property. And so as it stands right now that does not apply to seventy four if seventy four passes. It does make things more complicated. Seventy four is a complete and total disaster for Colorado. And the implications are much much further reaching than just mineral owners will open the state up to billions of dollars of private lawsuits that the taxpayers will be on the hook for and the whole point of seventy four is a it is a direct response by the oil and gas industry to try and undermine one twelve so David Sirotta recently wrote an article about this and hey described seventy four as the atomic bomb option that oil and gas industry has taken to deal with prop one. Twelve another example of the industry just trying to intimidate and course, their way into getting what they want who actually sponsored the Bill. So it has been brought forth by the farm bureau. But if you look at the financing always follow the money. It's almost one hundred percent sponsored by oil and gas, Anadarko and noble energy are the two leaders in the in the can't campaign contributions for yes. On seventy four campaign and interestingly enough actually reading Anadarko 's investor call for quarter three that happened yesterday morning. I was reading the transcript yesterday in one of their investors. Ask them about seventy four if they had been in touch with the farm bureau about how it's doing and what their thoughts thoughts where they thought it was a net positive for the industry and Anadarko acted like they had nothing to do with it and told them they didn't have an opinion on it. And they weren't in communication with the farm bureau about it. Which is I think completely utterly fascinating considering they've spent at least like three or four million dollars trying to get it passed the fear oil and gas workers are feeling in places. Like weld county isn't about a disregard for health and the environment. It's about protecting their livelihood and supporting their families. I wanted to know why an Lee foster brought proposition one twelve and not a government funded. Green jobs retraining Bill for renewable energy. We are seeing across Colorado. But particularly the front range where the industry is absolutely decimating communities, and like, for instance, right now, they're two hundred wells being proposed in commerce city, a very very densely populated area near schools near near tons and tons of homes. And so we really felt like we needed a hard stop on on this ever encroaching dangerous development coming next to our communities. So I think that's an like an awesome idea. And I would love to be a part of of Bill like that. But this has really gotten to the point where we had to John hard line in the sand and say, no more like you can't come any closer because we really are facing a public health crisis here on the front range. We have air quality rating in weld county larimer. Jefferson Boulder County and studies from in-car and Noah have shown that up to fifty five percent of that comes directly from oil and gas extraction. So not the burning of fossil fuels, but the leaks emissions coming off of the extraction process. We have people as particularly in places like Erie that are getting their blood tested for VOC's that are associated with oil and gas development and those tests are coming back showing one year old and by four year old children with in the ninety fifth eighty fifth percentile for ethylbenzene and benzene. Ethylbenzene is directly related to oil and gas Titi. So we felt like this. We needed to really draw a line in the sand that was going to protect our communities and put a hard stop on the further expansion of this crisis that we're seeing according to the nonpartisan group ballot pedia through October thirtieth two thousand eighteen Colorado rising the campaign leading the ballot initiative had raised one point four million dollars to support its passing Colorado. Risings main donor was the food and water watch action fund, which provided nearly three hundred thousand dollars of that amount. The Sergio brand family foundation, Jay Hormel, Patricia Olsen and nNcholas wilder were in its top five donors, protect Colorado. The main opposition group as of October thirtieth had raised nearly thirty one point one million their top five donors were Darko Petroleum Corporation noble energy, Inc. Extract. Oil and gas as our see energy and PD energy on the books opposition to one twelve funded directly by oil and gas companies outspent supporters for one twelve by margin of over twenty two to one hit Nelson dark money. Honestly, I think that they realize that they were getting negative press off of how much they were outspending us. And so they're like British going to circumvent this and keep it off the bugs because it doesn't look good for us. Because a lot of those ads have popped up since the beginning of October. Which is when people really started to report on that. But I do know that Tracy Bentley has said it was Tracy. Oh, chip rhymer of noble energy said that we're at war, and we need to crush this thing. And Tracy Bentley said that she is concerned that if we win here that we will that will start a ripple effect in other communities will. The which I think her exact, quote was these things will start popping up all over the country God forbid, the people stand up to corporate power. So we need to crush them. What about energy independence? So you concern about that losing any varying degree of that eighty eight percent of the natural gas in Colorado is exported so it's not actually benefiting us. It's globally controlled market. We don't influence it. And and so much of it's exported that's what happened in two thousand fifteen the price of oil the price per barrel drop so much that it made fracking in Colorado, economically, not feasible and so the industry all but stopped in Colorado in two thousand fifteen saw major layoffs in oil and gas and actually Colorado's overall economy grew and you didn't see a drop in employment in weld county at all. But foster says our goal isn't to take aim at oil gas workers she sees herself fighting for the. Them to we want clean safe jobs and clean safe community for everyone. Well, it's county has twenty four thousand active wells that are polluting the air with benzene with ethylbenzene oiling. Gas jobs are the seventh most dangerous in the country. They a lot of times don't have appropriate insurance coverage if something were to happen, which is exactly what we just saw the Alta explosion this past weekend. We really feel that this is imperative to protecting our long-term quality of life, and we're fighting for them as well, these fights and Colorado are beginning to feel all too familiar to municipalities in Colorado in recent years have successfully passed moratoriums or bans on fracking within city limits. Lafayette and Longmont both were later overturned by higher courts the week before the election local TV station. CBS for reported governor Hickenlooper as saying he would make concerted efforts to delay one twelve regardless of the sovereign will of voters initiative governor Hickenlooper told our political Specialist Shawn boy that if it passes he would consider calling a special session to delay. Implementation. If one twelve passes, this is where the battle would move the state legislature would decide how to implement the measure problem is the legislature doesn't meet until January and one twelve would take affect almost immediately unless the governor Haslam acres back early. You could call a special session to delay. Implementation of this. Will you do that really look at it closely and try and bring the stakeholders together the environmental community on gas industry, the new governor. But the state Koehler should be the ones who have a voice in whether you call a special session. The two men vying to replace sick Looper both oppose the measure, but at the CBS for debate last month they disagreed on whether the governor should intervene. I would pursue every dress possible for that job killing Edger what we're talking about. Here is the sanctity of the will of the voters governor Hickenlooper says it's about how the will of the voters will be carried out the measure requires a half mile buffer between new oil and gas. Drilling and home schools are any area government Dame's of vulnerable, but Volmer Bill, for example, as one of the things not to find these initiatives are often bearable, and they don't go onto forty pages of what happens in this case. Or that case you you wanna minimize the unintended collateral damage. Right. This state oil and gas conservation commission says one twelve would ban fracking in most parts of the state. It's a big part of the state's economy. Right. You're talking. I mean fifteen percent some people say as much as twenty percent of the state's economy and something goes to half that that is how you spell recession if one twelve passes and the governor calls a special session, there is no guarantee lawmakers would delay implementation of the measure, the democratic majority leader in the house has come out in support of one twelve at the I mean, he's bought out by he's bond paid for by corporate interests. Like, this is why we're running this initiative because the politicians haven't done their jobs. We have. Been represented if if if any of these of our representatives of our politicians, and there are some that have dried, but overall if our politicians had stepped up and done what they were supposed to do. We wouldn't have taken on the task of running a ballot initiative. Nobody is doing ballad mischief for fun. I can promise you that. I personally am having a little bit of fun. Just because it's so amusing just all the most the antics of the whole thing they intimidation by the industry all the dirty tricks. But it's also been incredibly incredibly wearing on on me as a person emotionally physically. It's been very very stressful. It's I haven't taken a paycheck and almost six months because I'm giving everything to the campaign, and we don't have funds to spare. We are totally grassroots citizen led and we are actually doing this for our health like we are actually doing this because we see the industry as an existential threat because we are truly concerned about our communities about future generations about our air about our water, and it's been an enormous. Enormous undertaking. The most challenging and stressful experience of my life. It's also been an incredible learning opportunity growth opportunity, and I'm very grateful for it. No matter the outcome. Once again, if our politicians had done what they were supposed to do in represented the communities that voted them into office. We wouldn't be here. I think it's doesn't surprise me that politicians are aligning with corporate interests were seeing this all across the country. We have Ken Salazar whose very influential Democratic Party in Colorado is also Anadarko lead attorney. So I'm the lot of influence there. I know that Jared polis is pragmatic, and he doesn't want the industry spending money against him. So it's easier to just make your political calculations instead of being a leader and stepping up in representing your communities in your constituents. One of our volunteers said if we were anymore grassroots, we'd be dirt. And I can't emphasize that enough. I mean, this has been. Painstaking efforts from mothers and grandmothers teachers and nurses across Colorado that have had a crisis arrive on their doorstep, and they have stood up and said, we're not gonna take it. We will continue to fight. We'll continue to organize. No matter the outcome. And I think this is this is just the beginning of people stepping up and saying no more we aren't gonna we aren't going to allow this to happen to our communities. We were we are thinking about future generations where thinking about the planet. We're concerned with climate change. And we're we're not gonna let these corporations run roughshod over us anymore. I don't think the industry would be spending the money against us in pulling the dirty tricks and intimate tactics. Like stuff, I'm not even going to tell you about that. They are if they didn't think that we were for minimal opponent. And I think watching how the media has shifted over. The course of the campaign has been really telling for me in the beginning. Like, look at this thing people are doing aren't they cute moms band, and now it's like every time they talk about us. It's like this is the biggest thing that you're voting on this year. And I think that just shows that. We have where force to be reckoned with and there's power behind this movement. So I have not received any direct threats. I think that. They might just be stuff smart enough to know that I would blow that up in the press. But there have been some weird things that have happened. We get my get all I get people that call my cell phone. See crazy things Email me and say like why are you trying to destroy Colorado? Like get the hell out of here. Yeah. F- in lip. Tar like the I call Tarn like long day. Some weird experiences with people and pretty sure work for the industry showing places that just popping up consistently, and there's a little unnerving, but I really feel that I am in a position of privilege as white woman as the woman that lives in the United States. I don't have a family and so. My duty to use that privilege to speak out. It's election night and supporters of proposition. One twelve have gathered at zeppelin station in Denver Colorado to see the final results of the initiative. My name is Rachel Gilbert. And I have. Volunteered from one twelve just trying to convince anybody that I knew to try to use logic and reason to help them vote. Yes. Someone twelve I am a registered Republican who worked really hard for one twelve. I have not the only Republican that has worked very hard on this issue because to us. This is not a political issue. This is a health and safety issue. And you know, everybody is affected the same way by benzene, but leaks out of these wells, you know, you can have rich lungs poor lungs white lungs Brown lungs and read lungs and blue lungs, and they all get affected the same way, and you still get cancer. If you live close to the swells, and that's the reason why it's not a partisan issue. This is not Republican democrat this health and safety, and this is about people's bodies in about people's safety and about their children. And their children's health two thousand eleven when my mum in Greeley. She actually came to me because she didn't understand the letter that she got in the mail that was telling her that she would have the ability to lease her mineral rights. She didn't understand the implications of that. So she came to me, and I helped her understand what fracking was in the first place. I'm she had never really heard about it. And so I do have friends who are petroleum engineers, and I have friends who work in the oilfields. And I do understand what fracking is and the risks and implications of it in our communities. I also understand that living in weld county where we have twenty six thousand active wells living there when I was in middle school, though, air quality is very different there than it is that it was you know, in the. Early two thousands. And that is the direct result of fracking in the community in two thousand eleven I started trying to help my mom gather. Some neighbors of hers who also didn't understand the implications of being forced pools into a mineral middle rights lease that they didn't want to take pardon as such it turned into more of a campaign to get a thousand foot setback of oil and gas wells from where people were living that didn't gain much traction. We weren't able to get on the ballot two years later. Jared polis created his own Bill and sponsored his own Bill. That would also be of thousand foot setback that actually did gain traction. But then at the last minute Jared police pulled it from the ballot in order to gain favor with the political, you know, people that be and kind of use it as a playing card to try to. I guess gain political power. And so after being let down by police all of us felt very very bitter about that. What yours is that must have been two years ago approximately I forget exactly when but that was the last one, and then this one we started working real hard for because even though it was a more ambitious setback of twenty five hundred instead of a thousand feet having met Emily foster who had her name on the Bill. I knew that she had integrity, and that she wasn't using this as political, you know, playing cards to be played at a later date. I know that she believed in this very sincerely. She had literally nothing to gain monetarily from being involved in this. And you know, whether you're red or blue or yellow or. Anything in between people with integrity. You wanna be around those people, and they cannot be bought and sold. And I knew that about an Lee foster as as soon as I met her. I don't want to say that we failed. We were outspent, you know, like forty to fifty to one or something like that some ridiculous disgusting amount of number of of dollars have gone into the opposition of one twelve. And you know, what we were not outvoted fifty one. We were not. Democratic governor John Hickenlooper is against one twelve democratic governor candidates Jared polish who looks like he's going to be governor elect Democrats also against it. And Walker Stapleton the Republican who looks like he's going to be defeated tonight. Also against it all involved parties for the governor's office against one twelve as a registered Republican and somebody who's worked very hard to get one twelve on the ballot and to pass it. What are your thoughts about that? There is so much for politicians to lose. If they were to come out for one twelve. And I really see that as the main obstacle that. We as yes. For one twelve crowd. We had to go against too because every single person who's here, you know, politicians have everything to lose. So why on earth what they support something? When the stakes are so high in terms of campaign, finance, I mean, it's it's a rational decision on their part. But it doesn't mean it's morally, correct. I am I am very pessimistic to this would pass. As it is. I talked to a lot of people at work. They have been given false information that it. Basically people were told things that weren't even in the Bill itself like that it would affect unoccupied structures, which is not true that it would affect current Waylon gas production, which is not true that oil and gas would not be able to access their minerals, which is not true, basically. The oil and gas industry has been able to spread lies and they have gone unchecked by even our Colorado public radio. It doesn't matter. What your party affiliation is? It's just if you believe in health and safety over corporate interests, and apparently our politicians don't agree. Everybody for being here this evening. I'm state Representative Joe Salazar. I love. Look look at you guys. This is what community movements are all about right? What it's four digits people taken over five hundred years for a lot of things what is not going to take that long for this effort to continue moving forward and to get past. It's not because at this moment as we're watching the results come in. There are Laurent's across the state who are rising up against this industry. I wanna speak the moms of your rising. We're the first people in Colorado that were telling me about this issue, N, G, April, and Jen, and Wendy they were trying to keep fracking away from their children's school. They fought so hard these gave it everything they had. They did incredible organizing at in the ant Nate frac their children's school. Why because the CO GCC does not deny permits not ever. And that's why this needed, and that's why all of your hard work is so needed right now. Word threatened. Timid ID harassed every step of the way or sick of it. We worked with three different other petition gathering firms that we will paying together signatures for us in every one of us over they were all this out. Skipped town. Any steam stood strong. They stood by us nicotine to fight the fight even though the industry. Our opposition was paying people to harass us while we were gathering signatures. How's that for democracy? We would have people out on the street in twenty minutes. There would be two four six ten people rounding somebody gathering signatures, and we're talking old ladies on Walker's. Your grandmother out there on the street gathering signatures, and they would be twelve evil surrounding an old lady. Not that's the kind of industry regaling was here. Police better buckle up because we're gonna hold him accountable. We're gonna follow your residential Ron. Needed this station a year ago? Colorado rising Billick it was just kind 'cause it sounded good. But I think we have proved you everybody clean the industry because they didn't spend thirty eight million dollars because they weren't scared. We prove to everybody that we are Colorado rights. You're going to continue. Oh the. We're not going away. And and fortunately, we know that eventually the industry is going away. Financial for this industry are diabolical. If you haven't looked lately, it's pretty incredible. They are in aggregate two hundred billion with the dollars in debt right now, they have thirty three of the hundreds of companies had a positive profit margin. In the first part of this year this industry over a hundred fracking companies that have gone bankrupt in the last three years alone. Talks industry will way sites for our communities to have to clean up. So we have intially they are going away and we can have solace net. No matter how this result turns out tonight. So thank you again. So very much. We are the people of Colorado, and we know the truth. And nobody can make us forget that truth. Because once it's in you, it's in you, once, you know, the impact of this industry has on your children once you know, the impact this industry has on the planet. You will never forget it. It's in me. And I know in so many of you, and I promise you got. I wish it wasn't true because it's not easy. But I promise you, I will keep standing with you. And I'm asking you to please not give up. No matter. What happens here? As you know, we have to do this. There is no other option at this point. We have to do this. If we wanna future in the state and on this planet, we have to do this. And so this was a major stepping-stone no matter what their resolve a huge steppingstone. We were supposed to be crushed tonight. And we weren't no matter what we compete it on a really reliable. We made it way beyond where we're supposed to be. And so keep fighting with me. And we're going to see this through. Annely here. So we're watching the wrote that phone scroll in, but it is not looking likely. I just wanna say this has been the most inspiring community I have ever witness. We have been outspent fifty to one between proposition one twelve opposition campaign and amendment seventy four which was the industry's direct attack on one twelve and we are looking at numbers Lear seeing we're over seven hundred thousand Colorado's has ended the industry has again. Their health and safety half Oded for the future of Colorado and huger generations. Is just a stepping stone for this. Lieutenant this has been something that has been growing for seven years in Colorado, but this proposition one twelve has put us on the map. This has shown the nation that the politicians ear in Colorado are not representing people. And the people of Colorado will send and will fight for their communities against dangerous and toxic industry that is raising and belligerent and out of control. I'm so so grateful to every single one of you who have left it all on the court, these past six months, we can attribute these close numbers to the fact that all of you have thrown down and everything is not we've been out since fifty to one but one billion dollars. They have gotten the word out shown, Colorado with matters us, and we will continue to fight for our communities. This is not over we future of our state. The future of our children are on the line as we will continue to stand up. We will make sure that our elected officials represent. As at the time of this recording over eighty percent of precincts have reported with the no campaign writing steadily at about fifty six percent and the yes campaign for proposition one twelve trailing behind at about forty three percent on the surface of it seems like this is a smashing defeat for proposition. One twelve until you think about the money the amount of money that came into this campaign at the hands of corporations oil and gas in particular. Is a stunning especially when coupled with mid seventy four and the money altogether, not including that of dark money on paper proposition. One twelve is out funded hand over fist. So whether or not you think fracking is good or bad is healthy or safe for the environment. It does appear that the writing is on the wall for this type of industry in a does leave one wondering what the next few years would. You can find out more about the show on the show notes page at wildlands Inc dot org. Backslash EEOC one six six the show, title music is brought to you by the humidors and other music by the free music archive through creative Commons licensing if you'd like to show, please tell the friend and rate and review the is on conservation podcast on apple podcasts. And check out my podcast majority villain. I'm Gregory had. It's your world so onus. The patch with you. This.
Thu. 08/15 Hickenlooper Drops Out
"<music> welcome welcome the election right home for thursday august fifteenth two thousand nineteen. I'm your host chris higgins today. Hickenlooper drops out the steve king stuff in iowa. <hes> <hes> and aurora rules out a senate run. Here's what you missed today. From the campaign trail today former colorado governor john hickenlooper officially announced the his dropping out of the race for president now. If you listen to the show for the past week that should be no surprise. Hickenlooper hickenlooper was like many candidates in this field right now up against a looming august twenty eighth deadline to reach both fundraising and polling goals that were hard or maybe impossible for him to obtain tain in order to get into those next d._n._c. debates now. Here's the minor surprise in his announcement. Hickenlooper did not immediately announce a run for senate in colorado. Well many myself included suspect that he will eventually run their against republican senator cory. Gardner hickenlooper doesn't seem convinced and you know that makes sense. He may be in a mode where he needs to really think about whether he's cut out for the senate especially given he told us all earlier this year that literally he doesn't feel he has cut out for the senate senate terms. We are six years. Long and hickenlooper is currently sixty seven years old also to be totally clear although hickenlooper is polling great against gardner in colorado. It's likely that there are other democrats who could win that race too so if i were in hickenlooper position i'd be asking myself whether this might be a nice time to retire. Hang out at my brew pub. Enjoy my multiple multiple millions of dollars and just kind of put my feet up or whether i'm ready to jump back in for their year of campaigning and then another six years of service hickenlooper is clearly thinking over over so we will see what happens so like swallow and gravel before him. Let's take a look back at notable moments and hickenlooper campaign. He announced on march fourth of this year here. Meaning he spent one hundred sixty four days in the race prior to the first debate hickenlooper was openly booed at a democratic party meeting in california when he suggested that socialism isn't is the answer here. Is that now classic clip we know it is absolutely essential to be donald trump but it is is not sufficient. We must address the divisions tearing us apart. We must tackle the kitchen table challenges facing americans but let me be clear if we want to beat donald trump and achieve big progressive goals socialism is not the answer. I was re elected aw i was reelected in purple. Stay in two thousand fourteen one of the worst year for democrats in a quarter century. I was before not careful. We're gonna end up helping to reelect the worst president in american history. Ah i was one of only two democrats that year to win in a swing state and as governor i worked with nonprofits often in business with democrats and republicans and we achieve big progressive results and in the first two debates. Here's hickenlooper had to say about the same topic. Let me get you in on this. You've warned that democrats will lose in twenty twenty if they embrace socialism realism as you put it. You were booed at the california democratic convention when you said that only one candidate on this stage senator sanders identifies himself as a democratic emma craddock socialist what are the policies or positions of your opponents that you think are veering towards socialism. I think that the bottom line is if if we don't clearly define that we are not socialists the republicans are going to come at us everywhere they can call us socialists and if you look at the green new deal uh-huh which i admire the sense of urgency and how important it is to climate change. I'm a scientist but we can't promise every american government job. If you wanna get universal healthcare coverage i believe that healthcare is a right and not a privilege but you can't expect to eliminate private insurance for one hundred eighty million people many of who don't want to give it up in colorado. We brought businesses and nonprofits together. We got new universal healthcare coverage. We were the first state in america to bring the environmental community and the orgasm street to address aggressively address methane emissions that we were also the first place to expand reproductive rights on a scale basis and we do teen in pregnancy by fifty four percent. We've done the big progressive things that people said couldn't be done. I've done what pretty much everyone else up. Here is still talking about doing governor governor. Thank you senator sanders. I'll give you can't wayne here. Okay and here's one more notable debate moment from hickenlooper listening. Well certainly the images. We've we've seen this week just compound the emotional impact that the world is judging us by if you'd ever told me any time in my life that at this country would sanction federal agents to take children from the arms of their parents put them in cages actually put them up for adoption option in colorado. We call that kidnapping. I would've told you told you is unbelievable and and the first thing we have to do is recognize the humanitarian crisis on the war for it is make sure that there are sufficient facilities in place so oh that women and children not separate from their families to children are with their families <hes> we have to make sure that that ice is completely reformed and they begin looking get their job in humanitarian away with her addressing the whole needs of the people that they are engaged with along the border and we'd have to make sure ultimately that we provide why not just shelter food clothing at access to medical here. We're thinking liquors departure. The list of major candidates now drops to twenty three and i expect pat number to decline further in the coming weeks you you have reached thursday at the end of the week is incite congratulations and let's push through together so look i know politics is a stressful topic. I really do know that because i spend every day waiting through all this stuff and trying to insulate you just a little bit from the worst of it okay so to take care of myself while i do that. I've been using app called simple habit. Simple habit has brief sessions wants to help me meditate. That's just me my headphones wherever i am so that's the office on a commute. Whatever that's like five minutes. That's a gift to myself to restore me and my body after whatever stress i've been feeling simple. Habit is free to use the hundreds of sessions right in their four free but if you pony up a little cash there are earth thousands more sessions in there and i think he would benefit from them. If you need a little help before you let's say go on a date or do some big job thing or need to handle grief. There are specific sessions taylor directly to those things and they're short and they will help you. They are helping me except for the date thing. I've got that one salt so so i want you to go to simple habit. Dot com slash ride the first fifty listeners who signed up for paid plan there. We'll get thirty percent off you. Gotta use that special link. It's the first link in the show notes again that is simple habit dot com slash ride to get the discount and let them know you came from this show so one last time the first fifty listeners who've goto simple habit dot dot com slash ride are gonna get thirty percent off next up. Let's talk about the race in iowa's fourth congressional district. Last week covered the announcer also by democrat j._d. Scholten was challenging. Incumbent republican steve king for his seat in congress. Well representative. King is now in the news for some remarks made yesterday day. I came across this first clip from c._n._n. That gives us the most controversial stuff then wolf blitzer asking senator common harris to react to it. If you can't quite quite make out what king of saying at the beginning don't worry we'll get further into it afterward so listening what if we went back through all the family trees and all those people houses were products of ribbon incest whether beginning population of the world left if we did that considering all the wars and all the raven village has taken place and whatever they have cancer not part of the product you're looking you're listening to what he had to say just out their minds. What what what is that <hes> you got one thing that the statute of liberty only applies the people from europe. You got another win saying it's rape and incest is okay what is going on with these people they need to they. They do not understand the importance horton's and the responsibility of their job and called him a rape apologist. Does he need to resign which he stephen king l. I think he shedding. If not i think he's gonna get beaten this election yeah so points to harris for calling it like she sees it so here is the context king was at a campaign event in urban dale l. iowa yesterday held by the westside conservative club while in congress king sponsored legislation related to abortion but did not include exemptions for rape and incest he was pressured pressured by republican leadership to add those exemptions but king refused as a matter of religious principle so at that event yesterday he gave a speech talking about all kinds of stuff like agriculture ultra subsidies biofuels immigration history and state national politics. I mean it was a whole hour long speech and this twenty second clip is what blew up so my question question was basically what was the broader context around that clip right like what would lead to someone musing on the societal value of rape in incest as things that maintain population levels so i sat through about forty minutes the speech to find you this. Which is the full context that little snippet. That's been all over the news. This cleaned up the noise in this audio a little bit so it should be somewhat easier to make out though i'm working from a pretty rough recording to start with okay. Listen i had solid promises that we would get mark judiciary committee by getting messages right exception right amendment accepting amendment for exceptions for rape incest as i've got one hundred seventy people say they don't want the exceptions for raven says because it's not the baby's fault before the baby because of the a father and maybe sometimes it's the mother too and so i refuse to do that i just kept pushing the fresher we had the votes in the judiciary committee peel off every the amendment and put that bill on the floor and put an pass it on the floor with the marker down at exceptions are not going to be part of the dialogue any further because this is how off the sanctity of human life and so refused to do that down to the last couple of days orleans accession that were came back got leadership no markelle though four action and <hes> so all right. I'll around principal. Maybe we've had it beyond that to the floor by compromise. It wasn't a move through the senate anyway but we still on these people's alive. Cincinnati started that we all the reasons why we don't accept exceptions for the most of us for even incest because because it's not the baseball but there's extra to wonder about this what if it was okay and what if we went back through all the family trees and just pull those people out there were products. Let's oregon incest or the population of the world left if we did all the wars and all the rain villiers taken place and whatever happened if drafter society's cancer that are not part of a product of that and i'd like to thank everyone of the lives of us are as precious as any other life and that's our human. The fbi measured is measured self against which all things are way yeah well. He was not misquoted and his comments were not taken out out of context and indeed he did bring up this idea all on his own because he thought it was an interesting hypothetical he really is saying that rape and incest are historical drivers of population relation growth and heck. Maybe himself as a product of them. So what's the big deal <hes> yikes all i can say to that. I should also point out you can hear in in there that he does touch on the idea that you shouldn't blame the child for the sins of its parents but advice time that would be a better place to stop talking if you're trying to make like this argument by musing on the virtues of sexual violence kings revealing a side of himself that is gonna get him defeated in this election. Nobody wants to vote for this so i play you this not because i bring you details of every gross things. Steve king manages to say but i do think this is a key example of why so many mainstream politicians including lots of essential candidates jumped on the announcement by scholten that he is running for that seat. It's also probably part of how sheldon got kevin costner to narrate mary. The announcement video and yes both republicans and democrats have called for king to resign over this and i doubt that will happen now. King himself faces a primary challenge challenge on the republican side for that ray so he may not even make it to the general election for that house seat but if he does this is a really straightforward example of what gets democrats so riled up and so excited for the congressional side of the twenty twenty election now. Let's all have a drink of water and try to clear our minds and move on <music> last up today. In a speech this morning and i'll paso former representative better or work resumed his campaign for president in announced that he would not run for senate democrats suggested he should he also said he wouldn't focus on things like the iowa state fair although he didn't say it in these words he essentially said that was trivial and immaterial to the real issues we face and i think he has a solid point there. The twenty minute speech was streamed live but it was super choppy and i was unable to get much. It's usable audio out of it. Here is one little segment that did work though so listen in there've been some who suggested that i stay in texas and run run for senate but that would not be good enough for this community that would not be good enough for el. Paso that would not be good enough for this country. We must take the fight directly to the source of this problem that person who has caused this pain gene in place this country in this moment of peril and that is donald trump the i want to be the leader for this country that we need right now and that we do not have okay so the remainder of the speech arroyo toad much of the story. He told an audio that we've previously played on this show. He recounted his experience. After the passos shooting he talked about going to the hospital with folks but he also announced a gun buyback program and talked about it in the speech. Here's a clip of that part. The response to this has to be that each each of us make a commitment to see clearly to speak honestly and to act decisively in this moment of truth for one see more clearly than ever that in a country that has three three hundred and twenty million people but three hundred and ninety million firearms that we have too many guns too many people who own them and use them and threaten us with them right now for the good of this country for the good of the forty thousand of our fellow americans our fellow human beings who will lose their lives to gun violence this year and every year going forward until until we change course and i see more clearly than i ever have that not only do we need universal background checks not only do we need red and flag laws that would stop somebody when they pose a danger to themselves or someone else not only do we need to end the sale of assault weapons and weapons of award designed for the battlefield and have no place in our communities but we must as a country by those weapons. Take take them off the streets altogether. There are millions of them today and their ability to inspire terror to make our kids and your kids afraid to walk in that classroom at masika or el paso high because we know as a country. We've accepted the murder of six and seven year old children. Where are they sat at school. We've accepted high school. Students being hunted down in the halls of these institutions like el paso high right behind me. It is time for us to be bold to stand together to stand up against those interests who would prevent us from saving the lives of our fellow americans americans on twitter c._n._n. Reporter eric brad ner posted a written response gave him about the new proposal radner wrote in part quote. Would i asked about his call for mandatory gun buyback interesting answer including him copying to not pushing it before because it's not politically the easy and quote so let me read that full statement now. This is a direct quote of responding to bradsher and a work did re tweet this by the way quote quote yes. I'm talking about mandatory buyback of assault weapons and weapons of war in this country. The owners paid a fair price for what they own but i gotta tell you visiting with one of the survivors who was shot in both legs going into her husband's hospital room where he has not yet gained consciousness. Following the attack on august third is fighting for his life. They own an a._k._47. And she told me listen. I'm a gun owner. I've used the very same gun that was used against me in that walmart walmart and not only what i go through a background check not only would i be willing to be licensed to own it. I would be willing to give that gun away. If it means that we would be safer as a country. I know that this is not politically easy. It's frankly why far too people have proposed it. It's frankly why i have not proposed in the past. I've said this is something we should consider wanna think about it. I want to talk to people about it. I've thought about it. I've talked to people i've listened to that survivor and now oh beyond a shadow of a doubt regardless of what it does to our prospects going forward. You've got to speak the truth and be clear about where the solutions are three hundred twenty million elian americans three hundred ninety million guns including assault weapons that can be used to kill people very effectively very efficiently and to keep this country in a state of constant anxiety and for some even kids terror so yes. That's what we've got to do and i know we as americans can find find a way to do this. That's fair to all concerned but at the end of the day saves more lives than we're saving now and quote well that is for the election ride home. I have been your host chris higgins. You can always find me on twitter at chrissy teigen's well. It's raining in portland so yeah. I didn't buy a drill. That's my excuse. I'm sticking to it. You know we're in an interesting season right now. It's that lake middle of summer period where either everything is happening or more often. Absolutely nothing is happening. Today was surprisingly busy and i've got a bunch of stories on-deck for tomorrow including a few really awesome listener questions but meanwhile i've gotta run to go pick up some film negatives from good ole citizens photo in portland they get that mentioned for free could place to get your film developed if you somehow need film developed in two thousand nineteen as always thanks for listening and we'll talk to y'all tomorrow.
FDA Cracks Down On E-Cigarette Sales To Curb Teen Vaping
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from the fresh market, offering prepared sides desserts in ready to heat meals for your thanksgiving celebration, plus fresh Turkey spiral sliced Honey ham and more details in recipes available at the fresh market dot com. Federal regulators plan to ban the sale of most flavored e cigarettes at retail locations like gas stations and convenience stores. They also plan to require people buying e cigarettes online to verify their age from Colorado public radio. John Daly has these details. The new restrictions come as the FDA has been trying to rein in dramatic increase in vaping by young people smoking of traditional tobacco cigarettes has fallen to a record low, but the popularity of e cigarettes with youth is raising alarm bells FDA Commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, told Politico's pulse. Check podcast. He fears one form of nicotine is replacing another the bottom line is that if we are creating a whole pool of kids addicted to, Nick. A-team through e cigarettes some proportion Emma gonna become long-term uses of combustible tobacco that otherwise might never have initiate on tobacco. Dr Amy SAS works in adults and medicine at children's hospital, Colorado. She says research indicates e cigarettes can affect teens brain development and the e cig flavors like mint, mango and cucumber really attract kids. I think these new rules would be a great first step Colorado is among the leading states for teen vaping governor John Hickenlooper applauds the FDA taking action what's nice about this is that the FDA is following on and therefore amplifying public attention towards this issue. Don Daniels who teaches about tobacco risks at a Colorado. High school welcomes the new crackdown. He says convenience stores and gas stations are mainly were teens by e cigarettes, but students tell him they'll still be able to buy online. It's gonna happen to alter older siblings. Fight a product for them, and that's already happening. Many. In the vaping industry. Fear. The FDA regulations will make it harder for adult smokers to quit. But some say the marketing to kids has gone too, far Ray story is CEO of an industry trade group. He says vaping giant jewel has been irresponsible. When it comes to teen us, and you get to a point where basically eight or selling a product that is like a lollipop jewel declined to comment. The exact FDA rules are expected next week for NPR news in Denver. I'm John Daly. This story is a reporting partnership of NPR, Colorado, public radio and Kaiser health news. This message comes from NPR sponsor Capital One offering a variety of credit card options with features for range of customers from foodies to travelers Capital One what's in your wallet credit approval required capital. One Bank USA in a.
Schultz struggles as Democratic center holds
"Welcome to live for meet the press. I'm Mark Murray. Remember Howard Schultz, the former Starbucks CEO who seriously considering a run for president as an independent because he's concerned about the left-leaning tilt of the Democratic Party. He's also the guy that keeps getting heckled at events. Well. We haven't heard much from in the last couple of weeks in here's perhaps one reason why right now there are plenty of actual twenty. Twenty democratic candidates who are campaigning on pragmatism on trying to reach across the aisle and against single payer healthcare to paraphrase Eliot the center in the Democratic Party is actually holding at least so far. Let's start with former vice president Joe Biden who officially entered the democratic race last week. And who's been surging in the polls, though, it's still very early earlier this week Biden made it clear he opposes a Bernie Sanders style Medicare for all single payer plan. You all should have choice. She plan for care. Bottom line. He's for private insurance. So is Michael Bennett who announced his presidential bid on Thursday with this message. We need to fix healthcare and make good on what? Obamacare promise, affordable, high quality health insurance with a public option. They'll guarantee competition every county in America, there's also Amy klobuchar who poses free college tuition and wants to build on ObamaCare, Pete Buddha. Judge who believes free college tuition isn't progressive at all because it helps the most fortunate in former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper who opposes Alexandria, Cossio Cortez. Green new deal. So on the ideas and on pragmatism that Howard Schulz's campaigning for their already Democrats making that pitch including one who's leading the race right now. Now in fairness to Scholtz moderation pragmatism, aren't is only messages. He's other is at the two party system is broken and the. Democrats and Republicans aren't serving the interests of the American people. That's a legitimate argument. That third party candidates have made time and time again, and it's entirely possible. That Bernie Sanders or an Elizabeth Warren who has been moving up in the recent national polls could end up becoming the democratic nominee. But wind Scholtz suggests that the twenty twenty democratic field is an entire play to the left. What if Republicans Democrats lifelong are looking for a home? They're not gonna vote for a left wing. Lisbeth warn Kamala Harris candidate, they don't wanna reelect Donald Trump. But what if there's a new person he's ignoring a sizable number of candidates who aren't making that pitch at all those in the middle might not win the democratic nomination. But to pretend that they don't exist at all. Well, that's some weak coffee. That's a live for us. We'll be back tomorrow. If you like to hear more this free audio briefing. You can add meet the. Press the lid to your flash briefings on Amazon Alexa, neighbor devices or download us as a free podcast.
TKC 554 South By Southwest
"Welcome to the kindle chronicles. Steve Friday podcast about your kindle books and all things Amazon. I'm Lynn Edgeley. Today's the ides of March. That's the fifteenth day of the month twenty nineteen. Greetings from Austin, Texas. I have been attending south by south west most of this week. I've also been doing some projects with my cousin Peter tight, I'm staying with him. And he's about to make a big transition into a senior community here in Austin. So we've done some of that I back and forth. From stimulating tech sessions, particularly some appearance by presidential candidates. A little tour on a CNN townhall Bennett, very full week of multidimensional activity, all of it. Pre stimulating I've managed to get enough sleep too. So I'm going to organize the show around a single topic. This is something which I picked up at one of the sessions. I'm going to be telling you about in the topic is trust. And what we will see is that you can increase the trustworthiness of your activities. With some three tips from speaker that I heard and. Talking about those you'll hear some excerpts from that particular talk, and I'm going to loop everything into consideration of trust. As a way to navigate through some of the experiences that had most impact on me here at south by south west. Let's will music and then we'll just jump right in. Good morning, everybody. Trust is complicated. That is Neil. Plus Rica in ballroom, d at the Austin convention center. That's one of the biggest venues seats hundreds of people and his was featured session title building trust in distrustful times. He is the author of the book of awesome. And he runs a website about happiness. I hadn't heard of this fellow before I walked into ballroom, deep kind of on a whim. I thought I would just wander up toward ballroom Deasy who was there and trusted something sounded interesting enough to sit down of glad I did. This is what he had to say at the intro. And then we're going to drill a little deeper. It is new is layered is not faceted. It is mysterious. It's the Ganic nebulous important thing. And it's so critical for all of us. Whether we are an artist whether we are brand, whether we are company and individual a member of family member of nonprofits critical for all of us to know how to manage and grow trust. But we live in an era with the lowest levels of trust ever recorded in decades. I think you've heard enough to catch that this is an animated speaker was very easy to listen to. He was also a very well organized speaker he had distilled his thoughts about this big topic of trust into three points. And he went through them one two three. And at the end he had a circle where all three of them were displayed. And he let it stay up there on the slides long enough. So everybody could take pictures of it with their iphones. So they'd be able to remember the three points are first finite over infinite second human over algorithm and three go all in show. All in since we are going to be spending some time with Neil's ideas. Let's give a chance to introduce them. So properly name is Neil neoplasia. I am the author of a number of books all focus on intentional living. My first book is called the book of awesome, which is all about gratitude. My most recent book is called the happiness equation, which is all about happiness. The book have coming out. This fall is all about failure and resilience and the book I'm working on today is all about trust. So let's crack in two three ways we can all learn how to build more trust today. If I had two pictures one of Neal's three points to carry with me, I think it would be this first one finite over infinite he said several times in an era of infinite choice that the value of curation skyrockets, this is instantly understandable to me when I am in front of my computer anytime during the day, like when I'm driving to work on the podcast and really get focus. This flow of information of options of music of entertainment of ideas. It's truly endless it's truly infinite. And so places where I can have a curated look at material. This is why value subscription to the Washington Post or the New York Times. My problem is I have too many subscriptions. But when I go into one of those established newspapers, the financial times, the Wall Street Journal, I'm getting curated look that has certain perspectives that I understand and trust in value at this infinite amount of news, and that value just gets very high Neil has used this idea to talk about the one thousand most formative books he's going through three books in a show on his podcast. And he he's really kind of a specialty of finding things that he takes a lot of time choosing. And then putting his choices in front of his audience in ways, which I I'm sure he is he's got all kinds of followers, and the value of it is obvious to me one example that he had is fits are. Area of interest here. And it's about the Y independent bookstores are doing so well in the age of Amazon, and maybe why over the last six years, and what we call the retail apocalypse here in the states when Amazon took over the book industry, and they have two hundred million books, and they're always the cheapest why over that exact same six year stretch the number of independent curated finite. Bookstores liked by forty percent props independent bookstores anyone in the room that's a fan like me. To who doesn't like independent bookstores tattered cover in Denver being one of my favorite examples props also to Amazon because it is also seeing the value of creation. We've from time to time had people from the books team. Their whole job is to find the best books and talk about them in highlight them on the Amazon book review blog, and now they have a podcast as well. There's a real value to be highlighting books right in the middle of all of those millions of books. I don't think it's quite a hundred million books as a bit of an exaggeration. But certainly lots of books available at Amazon one of the reasons I left to go to south by southwest each year is to find ideas and actually use them. And as I was listening to Neil talk about finite over infant. I was thinking of the kindle chronicles podcast. I think it's one of the reasons that it has been good idea for most of these years to finish the show at right about forty five minutes. It used to be forty five fifty eight I've given myself. Little slack on that. But to know that when you start the show it's gonna last forty five minutes, and then it's going to be done. There isn't going to be another one until next Friday. So it's a finite amount of material about finite number of topics, namely, kindle books and Amazon clarity of Neal's. First point makes me think that within those topics it's bills trust in with you. When I'm talking to to pick things that are most interesting to talk about used to pull my hair out as I was looking at five or ten stories about Amazon and a week, and that I had to get them all in be kind of comprehensive on those topics. But lately, and I think I would even more doing this as a result of his talk. Find the thing that I really wanna talk about that that tickles me in some kind of a way or bothers me. And then go there and have a curated way of talking about the general topics so finite over infinite. Here's what's next number two. Human over algorithm. He started this topic for the cute story about being in bed with his wife going to early one night when the kids were asleep and the next day after they'd had a night together. She says you sent me an Email at ten o'clock last night. He said, no, I was asleep next to you. That's impossible turns out he had I set up mail chimp to send out emails about his blog or his podcast or something since she his subscribed to him. She got one of the emails because of an algorithm, and it really irritated her. Because she thought that he was sending these posts out our her and the rest of his subscribers manually that he writes a post and then he hits the button when she found out. It was an algorithm there was sending her husband's a material to her. It just went down in her Steve's you didn't trust it as much. So it was a it was a clever way to introduce the topic. The second point. His actually made me feel better. Because I've always thought, gee, I should be using algorithms. I should be sending tweets out after episode and having some program to it for me or the mail chimp letters to those of you who subscribe to the kennel chronicles newsletter. I do everything manually when I finished the show. I write that letter to mail chimp. And then I sent it out myself, and I'm gonna keep doing that. So if you get something from me can be pretty sure that I hit the send but myself, it wasn't an algorithm. An alternate way of stating the second point humans over Al algorithms was brains over bots and to illustrate that he told the story of vici- the best Uber driver in the universe. I saw something that night as I was leaving the bar that I had never seen before my life. And I have never seen says. And it was this. A guy named Vish was picking me up with a four point nine nine writing and almost five thousand rides. I look everyone around me at the bottom like. I'm about to drive home. From the world greatest. Uber driver. People behind five in me. Right. And let you guys know what it's like people in the front. I'm the more high five and me right Bill. I'm excited. I'm like, this is going to be so interesting. What's going to be like is it like an old crystal in the back when it what's up? So I hope in the door and forgive the Indian accent grew up hearing it in my house and everywhere the only accent I will ever attempt. Okay. Bye opened the door. He looks me in the eye turns around he's like is it Neil Neil. I'm like it is Neil. It is real. And yet in the backseat of the car, we have this great conversation on the way home and he's funny smiling. He's got a great personality as you would expect based on the rating, and as we get close to my house. I said, you know, what vici- you might actually be the world's greatest. Uber driver. A never I think all the time. I've never seen a rating close to you. He's like is it true? Is I don't know if it's true. He's like, there's no there's no leaderboard. There's no way the check. He's all all I can see is the last five hundred ratings. I've got really can show me. He's like, yeah. Here. It's here sled shows up on the screen showing nothing but five point ratings revenge. That's an actual screen shot. He has five hundred straight. I'm like, no one's better than you. How could they be? In an era of bots. We want brains, maybe handshakes, and smiles or what are actually becoming the scarcest resources of all planned this point to the kindle chronicles isn't quite as strict as the first I don't use many algorithms. I do put the podcast out on lips. And it goes all over the world and the internet. There's some sort of automated things that happen. But one thing that has been more and more important to me over the years of doing the show is heavy chance to connect with people in person. And as an example here in Austin when I come down, I drove for an hour and a half to have lunch with Mark Roberts listener from the Dallas area. And we always have great time. We talked about politics and lots of other things, and then I drove an hour hour and a half back to Austin, I get emails from we we stay in touch. But there's nothing like sitting across a table from someone and he says, you might try the fry deep fried pickles, which I did. And they were great. It's the same with Catherine. Mom, a listener here in. Austin? I've met with several times when I've been at south by each time. You know, we don't stay in touch much in the intervening year, but because of shared interests the fact, she'd listened to the show, and we we know each other very intriguing launch. This went Kennedy. We ended up talking about her her husband died and now she's engaged. Remarried? We talked about marriage. We talked about all kinds of things that were fascinating. And she took a picture of me writing one of the scooters down the sidewalk, which greatly appreciated emails ways to touch listeners and hear from listeners. It's it's always worth the effort to make some kind of a human connection even with something. That's being distributed electrically like a podcast now, it's time for our third and final point. And this one is go all in show all in. I think I've intuitively known the value of focusing on topic, right? From the start of this show ten years ago. On the kindle, and now settling into the kindle books and all things Amazon actually listened to this part of Neal's talk, I thought well, I've got sort of three four on this show, and maybe I should pare down to two maybe the just about the kindle in books or just books Amazon, and I couldn't find one that I would willingly drop off. So I think I've pretty pretty set settled with the idea that I'm going all in on these three topics all in in the sense that it's all I talked about each week. And it's what I've talked about for ten years. So this growing time of spending on the topic is how I'm interpreting the the the goal in show all in as you'd expect. He had a good story to illustrate this third and last point about trust. I'm walking around Toronto one day. There's a neighborhood just to the west of the downtown core. Call parkdale for those that may not Toronto kind of a grittier grittier neighborhood gentrifying neighborhood. I'm walking past the dollar stores. Money Mars than I stumbled upon this place called Craig's cookies, right? Great neighborhood or to neighbor. But I'm like Greg's cookies. What does a bright yellow building? No way just sells cookies a walk into the store shore enough. This is the display looking at a photograph of what's in the displays at the store. There's no brownies. There's no tarts there's no croissants. There's no pies. It's just cookies a guy looks Minia presume, he's cranky looks. He says is a cookie time. What are you going to say? I'm like hell, yeah. It's time to chocolate. So I over to cookies he's hi, I'm Craig thanks for coming in my stories. Like, here's here's your chocolate chip cookies and touch looks. He's like you wanna shot a cold milk. They only have one drink. You can kind of see it in the background. It's just cold milk. That's it all they sell cookies and coal mill. So I leave this place, and I'm like, wow. Good luck to that guy. Like like, how are you going to pay downtown Toronto rents by selling chocolate chip cookies for three dollars a pop. I give this guy like a month. You know? But I'm such a nice guy. I'm super I'm super nice. I'm going to I'm going to send them a couple bulk orders, I'm gonna like send a couple of gift bag orders through the store. You don't try to keep them a float? So I I do that. I do that. And I go back six months later. There's a different personal to open. Second of all there's a guy behind the counter. It's not Craig and I come in. I'm like, hey, you guys are here. I'm like, this is great. I'm like, congratulations. What time I'm Neil on the guy that's been sending you the bulk orders once in a while like ice like no idea who I am. I'm like I want like a Pat on the back of one like thank you for keeping helping us pay the he's like do we do dozens of orders day? I don't I don't know how to keep Giacomo dozens of day. He's like, yeah. Like rope it Norsar. Now, we're selling ninety dozen a day before lunch. They invited us up rent free. They just want the smell of chocolate chip cookies in their store. You're still in ninety doesn't just that one store that you're not even paying rent for. He's like, yeah. Go all in. So is it kindle time. We're going to return to kneel in the conclusion of his talk, but I want to use the topic of trust to segue to another unusual aspect of south by southwest this year, and that was a lineup of presidential candidates and people kind of involved in presidential politics on both sides of the aisle more on the democratic side, then the Republican, but this was at a nice intimate theatre where Austin city lights, I believe is filmed and over the first two days, the first this is the first weekend we heard from Senator Amy klobuchar from Minnesota Bill weld, former governor from -chusetts said that he's toying with running in there as a Republican challenger to President Trump Senator Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts, former governor John Hickenlooper from Colorado who I've been very interested in supporting John casick, former governor of Ohio who surprised people I think by saying that he has not ruled out running himself. For US secretary of housing urban development, Huiliang cuss, Castro and mayor Pete Buddha. Judge he's mayor of south bend, Indiana. And then a late addition was governor Jay is Louie of Washington state who had just announced about a week before the Saul happen. In addition. There were two candidates that were appeared that night at us CNN town hall and also people to judge was there quite light. Bring Sanders was in there. Joe Biden was there. They had tried to get both of them to come. If you if there was a way to evaluate. How all of these candidates did along with Kevin McCarthy who was is Republican House minority leader trust, you know, the there many of them are specifically addressing the divisiveness in the country and offering their solution to it, which you know, Volvo voting for them. But as. As I was watching all of these sessions, and I hadn't yet heard Neal's talk. But when I think back on who had the most impact on me who seemed to resonate with the audience. I think trust would be an example. And I think you could probably go through the three elements that Neal's talking about as a way to evaluate who's using these various tools to increase their trust level. I'll give you an example of how an evaluation by trust level might worth on one of the candidates. I listen to an interview I did about two thirds of the way through the list of candidates with Evan Smith who's head of the Texas Tribune talking about how he came to organize this event itself by south west arterial was either be declared candidate or somebody who is plausibly. Look into Ray. So in the case of governor casick who was your yesterday Saturdays. We stand here talking on Sunday morning. He's not in the race. He said yesterday cop to the fact that he's considering it which surprised to no one ultimately may not run. So it was not you didn't have to be in. You just had to be looking at it when we talked to Hickenlooper originally, and we didn't know that he would be in by the time of south west. We thought he might be considering it, and we actually had a sense that he was going to get in. But. In the case of governor Inslee who kicks off this morning as we stand here against on morning. He wasn't even into race until March first which is about a nine days ago, and we call that morning and had him committed by the afternoon and unusual aspect of the format. Was that each candidate had an hour with one interviewer in their varied folks from time magazine different publications, generally young edgy diverse. Interviewers who did a good job? I I'm always interested interviews, and I was asking Evan. What was sort of thinking on these interviews? I think as an interviewer you you you run toward the ball as well. Like it's worth right? You know, you run toward the bowl not away from it. And I think in the case of these interviews ease the ball is visible run toward the ball. Yeah. I've from Denver and interesting Hickenlooper where was the ball when you assigned his interview. Well, you know, I've known governor Hickenlooper weirdly personally for a while he his first wife was very friend. Of mine for thirty years, and I went to his wedding or strangely enough. She was writing writing for Texas monthly banks that I ended. So I we will colleagues officer boss in in those years. He he's been to our festival couple of different times. I think governor Hickenlooper Israeli guy because as the governor of state like Colorado, he's dealt with almost every issue that chief executive of sorts can deal with and he's not alone at governor Inslee in the similar sense. Governor case when he was running Hieaux same the set of experiences that have governor has different than set of experiences of Senator has chief executive model versus legislator model. He's also temperamentally a little bit more small immoderate than other people. And I think his background is small business person. Probably gives them a different perspective. Here's another excerpt of my conversation with Evan in which he's talking about the venue. It was a wonderfully lit and arranged venue amphitheater style, it could flex up to I think up to two thousand people, but on the lower level where a lot of people a lot of the candidates just fill the lower level. And it it was a good place to sit in and feel like you were overhearing a fairly intimate conversation. He puts it this way. There's an intimacy to an environment like this. I mean, we're in a very large venue and again over the course of the day. They were more people are fewer people depending on who the interviewee was. But it's a pretty intimate room and how people being interviewed at that level react in a situation. Like this in the moment is telling that's why I think the power of public conversation is. Undeniable, you know, you put somebody on a stage in front of a room full of people you ask him questions, and you see how the react. And I think that's a good measure of whether for the job. Let's go back to ballroom D because after having heard the candidates in that intimate setting when Neil was giving his talk about trust. I I wanted to know if he would have any advice for a candidate who was trying to develop trust and thinking of the methodology that he's developed and shared with us. Here's how can kind of crush of people up there at the stage after his talk and just got this brief snippet from him. You have any sense of what it means to build trust. If you're running for office and doing everything everyone the instinct in politics trying to be this gigantic wide average candidate. No, you gotta be you. Ask yourself deep in your heart deep in your values things stand for declare those things write them down both on the Levin victim unmovable unchangeable on the national let the people decide if they don't want you. That's fine. Let your values your values you live with you went on your values win ever could advice and when it comes to trust. And I was thinking about this about the candidates. I thought the fellow from Colorado did a good job generating trust because he was speaking. So humanly definitely not an algorithm in touch with the most human emotions when he was talking about the difficulties of being in the restaurant business and being in politics when he has a condition called face blindness. And this is where the brain is simply not wired to retain information about the configuration of a face to the point where he can recognize. People. I had a friend in college whose brother was terrible car accident on the Massachusetts turnpike, and he had that same condition and for years, we just learned that when we talked to link we had to tell him who we were even as he was looking at us, and I was surprised to find out the John Hickenlooper has the same condition. He told a. Interesting aspect of it. He said that he had learned basically to hack this condition and still function in these very outward facing professions and in the restaurant business. He realized that if someone could tell that he didn't recognize them. They would be offended as though somebody that knew very well. And so he would present to each person that came into restaurant as if he knew them, and he couldn't overdo it because it was sort of strangely. Oh, hey, how are you lend than this? And they didn't know a mole that would be odd. But he generated a sort of default of looking forward to seeing every person because he thought well, some of these people I'm supposed to know, and the others that I don't know aren't going to mind being greeted in such a friendly way. And then his other conditions dyslexia any talked about that. So in this intimate setting of theater, he put out some fairly personal information that I think probably. The effect of generating some trust the one that did really well in that feature in the CNN town hall was the south bend, Indiana, mayor Pete Buddha, judge, and here's a clip where Jake tapper is asking him the topic is healthcare in you'll have the the tail end of that. And then it goes into something which get fairly personal and was kind of holding my breath wondering, you know, can this guy talk about this? So recently after his loss and for three seven year old young man, he he did pretty well. And it's become very personal for me too. Because we lost my father a few weeks ago. And it was it was the cancer. It was a brutally difficult time for our family. I make decisions for a living. And I was not prepared for some of the decisions that we fixed in consultation with the medical team. But what I'll say is the decisions that that we made only had to be about what was medically. Right for dad, and what was right for our family. We didn't have to think about whether our family would be financially ruined because of Medicare, and I want that to be available that kind of security that kind of freedom frankly to be available to every American. I just wanna take moment. I want to ask you about your bother Joseph. We're going to the audience picture of him. He was an English professor at Notre Dame. He passed away in January just few days after you announced you're exploring a presidential bid. I just wanted to take a moment to honor as memory and also ask you, what did he think about running for president? He was excited. He he came to this country from Malta this tiny nation, someone place footage as a common name. And he came here for the educational opportunities that this country offered then he became an American citizen after that he believed in education, he believed in this country. But also was very passionate about all the ways it was falling short. And so I don't think he ever guessed that I'd be doing this. Frankly, we didn't either until about a year ago. But when I was getting ready to make the announcement. He was already in pretty rough shape was intimated at that point. And I wasn't sure about whether to go, but I knew he wanted to happen. And so I said, you know, hope I'll make you proud and and he mouthed around the around the tube. You will. And and I think we are like to think we are. I'm sure you're making him proud Pete Buddha. Jesuits the third candidate that was featured at the town hall. The first candidate John Delaney was someone for whom I had submitted a question online. This was before I left. Enver? And I saw that. This town hall was going to be held there. They said, you know, submit questions for the audience, maybe you'll be picked and I got a call here. Peter's house the night before the town hall from producer CNN saying we have chosen your question. And we'd like you to ask it at the town hall of former congressman Delaney this pretty cool. So get there at the appointed time, and there was a seat with my name on it and kind of producer floor person who explained how this was going to work. They gave me a printed out copy of the question that I had submitted quite a lot of care went into this. If you watch these town halls I had to sign a statement saying guest. This wasn't fact the question that I had submitted protecting themselves against anybody that might suspect that their questions that are planted. But yes, it was my question. And when the time came for me to leave my seat Annette ask my question, the producer came and tapped me, and she had shown me. There was a kind of a cross Mark in tape on the floor. And I went to stand there as the person on the left side of the stages. Face the stage was finishing up their question. So I'm standing there in the lights on I've got my little piece of paper. And I wanna make sure that I get it. Right. And then the next thing, I know this is what I hear. I wanna bring in Len edge relief from Denver, Colorado. He's a retired natural gas executive lent. I congressman you have been visiting with voters for a year now. And I wonder what advantage. Do you think that will give you now that many others are entering the race? So I guess I didn't clear the field is what you're saying. Listen, I think it's a huge advantage. Right. Because I've had an opportunity to listen to people not only about an opportunity introduced myself to folks, but I've really had enough listen to so that was my moment on CNN went out live all over the world at one of the thing that showed the precision of this event was as Mike question was approaching. I, you know, pretty lease a fifty fifty chance Jake tapper is going to be talking about Len Ed girly. That's a common mispronunciation by name. But Katie the woman that was kind of my handler came up to me about five minutes before my question came to how do you pronounce your name, and she had a an earpiece, and I guess at some point before Jake was calling my name she had explained to him that I said, it's Edger Lee soft g edge, really? And and that's how he pronounced it. If you've listened to the show for few years, I think you'll remember probably two or three years ago virtual reality or VR made a big splash. And I remember that there was a VR gallery. Probably at the Marriott. No. There was at the Hilton. At that time before the Marriott was built. And you could go in that time there maybe five or six booths and you could put on the VR headsets there. The old clunky ones that had to have a smartphone in it, and you could watch VR movie, and I watched one, and it was pretty cool. Well, now two three years down the road of VR. There was a much larger area. I'd maybe there were twenty different booze of of people that were showing VR productions, and I had some extra time before my supper with Bryant person. So I picked a line that wasn't too long said BBC. Well, this has got to be quality. And it was it was a six minute production set in world. Or one it was animated, but the animation was very lifelike was realistic animation. That was on the topic of field, postcards, and these were postcards with soldiers in World War One could send to home in Britain, simply indicating that they were live. They couldn't put any messages on their. But when one of these postcards would arrive at someone's home sure would bring great joy to know that as of the time it was sent the the loved one was alive. Well in this experience, you find yourself once you're settled in with a headset. And you've got the headphones and all your in a trench. And if you look up with your head UC barbed wire, and it's a very eerie feeling to magin what it was like in those trenches heard about trench warfare World War One. But I've never actually been in anything that was a reproduction of one and with VR. That's exactly where you are. The other scene is in a home looks. Like a middle class home in England. And it's a hallway and these field, postcards, are sort of flying toward you. And you're you're getting the feeling of how many of these were sent from the front to the homes, and at one point a postman brings one of the cards, and it's kind of handing it to you the trust aspect of it. I think is a dimension of VR, and I've heard people in the past it's an empathy machine. So that when you're plopped down in the middle of scene, and especially if it's a film scene. So the you're actually seeing real people around you as opposed to animation. The the it's eerie because you have so much more empathy for the people in whatever the scene is happening in this animated one the trust had to do with being located in the physical environment. I think another way that you could use Neal's test for how to increase trust was the simplicity of it that it was a finite number. Of impressions or information about World War One. You could there's so many ways that you could portray were one. This is about one simple thing field, postcards, and it's all about that. So it's a finite image of an infinite tragedy and catastrophe in human history after I saw the experience on my headset. As I was leaving somebody mentioned that the producer or a producer. I guess was they're able to talk. So I talked briefly. And here's here's some excerpts of what she had to say. My name is and I'm of for company fifty nine production based so we have created a via project by something guy. Put nothing to be. It's an amazing variance fights on one indication assets that were made during what will one it's based on field. Scott. It's cold in the way of quick. Communication in what will one between soldiers on the front line and people by because it was multiple choice. There was no need for censorship on the on the postcards. So they used to be able to accept very quickly. If anything was written on the postcards other than the multiple choice options. It would just be destroyed. So soldiers you use it. So that they can communicate very quickly to tell the families and loved ones that they were still alive. Schmidt with a quick away. The other way and one way. About nine they could send letters and Postles back again, go through the censorship person bit flow. But it was it was just one way from the from soldiers to people that sell them to the really. We're getting close to the end of my consideration of trust it south by southwest as I was going to the conference. I was also spending some time with my cousin Peter because he has decided that it's a good time for him to move into a community of people. He's been living on his own here in Austin. He's blind. And he doesn't amazing job of living independently. But you know, it's I think there's some loneliness to it. It's a challenging way to live for anyone as they get into their advanced years. He's a couple years older than I am going to be seventy one this year. So we've is it a couple of places, and there's some trust here in this part of the story as well that didn't have to south by south west. But it got me thinking about it, and we had an unusual experience because we we went to one place, and we both liked it. The folks were friendly, and it was a pleasant. Space in the unit that he was looking at it didn't have such good walking capabilities, and that's really important to them. So we then went to a related facility that's actually run by the same company. And we each had the same sense that it was a heavier environment. It was just didn't have the informality the life the spontaneity of the first one. And this is all being picked up by our senses because we're we're being toured around and we had a launch and the marketing people were fantastic, they were answering all our questions and giving all the information. But as going on there's this other channel of sensory information, which were both reading the character, the sanctuary or they ambiance of the place. And when we had a chance to compare notes together with each other, we both boy just something heavy about this place. And I was because I could see there was heavy furniture in the lobby. Looked kind of like a big old hotel as opposed to community. And I was picking this up mainly through visual clues Peter was getting the exact same information about this place. He has an incredible sense of sound, and maybe some of the Rome or whatever. But but mainly in sound, and we marvelled that we had both come up with the same assessment of on base. Kind of our six senses actually are are shared actual senses. Even though we were getting such different information coming in because he's he's blind. And I'm not. I think you can trust that. And when you are picking up information on channels other than the facts and figures how much is the unit gonna cost what's the square footage. All of the information was coming to us. But we were both picking up some pretty accurate information that we could trust on the other dimension the other trust part of that story is what we went back to the first place. The woman Debbie Holly, wonderful marketing person at the first place. Peter had mentioned that he loves to cook. And he does he he loves the grill steak, and when we're together we we have some great meals because he is a little scary for me to watch him out there with his hands over the grill to touch the stakes and the flames are flying up. He's. Assessing how on the stakes are by his hands. But he does love to cook. Well, we got back Debbie Holly, the market person had a bag for him. And it was kind of a gift bag with tissue paper. She somehow. Well, we were gone for a couple of hours head located a two volume, Betty Crocker cookbook. In braille and I was really touch minute. I thought you know, she's doing your job as she hopes that Peter will move into the community. But what if thoughtful thing to do and what a tangible thing she did that it helped? I think did help us both trust her as someone that would be good to deal with an it helped us to get a feeling for the character of this community. And if all goes, well and the rest of my trip here, I think that the next time I come visit Peter out by south west. He's going to be in this great community and the one of the rooms will have guest bit. And it's another place to stay next year next week. I will be back in Denver. I fly. Back on Monday. And I've got some interviews sort of bunched up together, but they're going to be available for you to hear during the next three weeks. Austin Qiliang has a new book out. He's a big star of past south by southwest. This one's title. Keep going ten ways to stay creative in good times and bad L. Also be talking with Michael j Sullivan who writes fantasy novels very successful self-published novelist, and then call Needham who is the founder of IM db the movie database that was acquired by Amazon. So sometimes I'm scrambling early in the week to find interview. So it's going to be nice to have interviews signed up for the next few weeks. I think I've got to do two or three of these interviews all next week. So I'm going to be doing some preparation in a scramble when I get back to Denver seem be good to be back on ten days and staying in touch with early. The echo show. I took the little echoes spot with me. So I've got it at my pets. High table can drop in under lean with the echo show on my desk. Well, I hope even -joyed this little unusual tour of south by southwest through the lens of trust. And I'd like to conclude with the stirring, conclusion of Neil pest Rica's talk in ballroom de I feel so grateful to be able to come to south by southwest each year to kind of veteran at this point. And I I hope you've enjoyed this version of it. And I look forward to returning next year the final choice the final question, which is what kind of world. Do we want to live in the we wanna live in this low trust world that we're in right now, we're all we're trying to do with other upgrade our Email lists. In our walking billboards, we see attention spans. We see eyeballs we see brains. We see monetize everything, you know. Saw billboard just down the street this morning. It's like this is how these companies see you and stuff human figures dollar signs that the world we wanna live in this bag and endless infinite algorithm. Ick world of low trust or do we want to add back some human connection? Do we want to stand up for what we believe in and tell people that clearly we wanna go all in on that. Do we want to have finite offerings be clear about what we're passionate about? Let our passions lead us and put them out there. And do we wanna live in a world with more compassion, and more empathy and a lot more trust? I help you. Join me and saying yes, thank you so much for your time today.
NPR News: 11-04-2020 2AM ET
"Live from npr news. I'm trial snyder. Swing states in the upper midwest. Look likely to decide the outcome of the presidential contest but his npr's scott horsely reports. It could take days to tally all the votes former vice president. Joe biden told supporters in delaware. He feels good about his prospects in the presidential race but he warned they'll have to be patient while all the votes are counted for the moment. Biden has a lead in the electoral college but is short of the two hundred seventy votes needed to win among the most hotly contested states the associated press has called florida ohio and iowa for president trump while biden's ahead in arizona. Pennsylvania michigan and wisconsin may prove decisive. A candidate who wins at least two of those states will likely win the white house. Hundreds of thousands of votes cast in advance of election. day still have to be counted. Many democratic strongholds such as philadelphia and detroit trump in a tweet accused democrats of trying to steal the election but added quote. We will never let them it. Scott horsely. npr news washington that tweet. President trump posed got the attention of twitter. The social media network has flagged it as potentially misleading the democratic effort to regain control the senate disappearing tougher at this hour. Npr's windsor johnston reports of republicans have so far staved off democrats in at least four states including texas and south carolina. Democrats have flipped the senate seat in colorado where former governor john hickenlooper defeated republican incumbent. Cory gardner but in alabama republican tommy dubber ville beat democratic senator. Doug jones flipping that senate seat back to read in south carolina. Longtime republican senator. Lindsey graham held onto his seat easily beating his democratic challenger. I'm going back to the senate with a purpose. I'm never wanted my job more than i do now. I never appreciated my job more than i do now. Republicans have also held onto their seats in kansas and iowa senate races have yet to be called in arizona. Maine georgia and north carolina windsor johnston. Npr news in montana. Republican steve daines has won a second senate term north carolina among the key states. That have yet to be decided in the presidential race but the states democratic governor Roy cooper is celebrating the election. And he's calling on the state to unite and move forward. Let's dedicate ourselves to really hearing one another. Let's take the time to see what is really true. What is not and what is worthy of debate. Cooper defeated republican. Lieutenant governor dan forests voters in the states. Where the governor's office was on the line largely decided against partisan changes although montana is getting a republican governor for the first time in sixteen years. And you're listening to npr news. The trump administration has won a key victory in its push to decertify the union representing immigration judges. Npr's joel rose reports federal labor relations. Board ruled against the union the federal labor relations authority sided with the justice department which is trying to dissolve the union that represents immigration judges. Those judges work for the justice department. The here cases about whether immigrants have lawful grounds to stay in the country the oj contends they are management officials. Who should no longer have a union. Union leaders have publicly criticized trump administration policies including new quotas to complete more cases. The head of the union said she is quote outraged by the ruling and promised to pursue all legal options. The union has called for immigration judges to be independent like federal judges. Joel rose. Npr news washington hurricane. Data's moving across northern nicaragua coming ashore tuesday packing devastating winds and rains that destroyed rooftops and caused rivers to overflow with water. At least three people are reported at nicaragua and neighboring honduras. Ada came ashore as a category four storm with top winds clocked at one hundred fifty miles per hour. The national hurricane center says ada will meander over central america for much of the rest of the week. It's expected to move across portions of cuba and approach southern florida this weekend. Us futures are rising and asian financial markets posting gains as investors. Wait for the results of the presidential election. In japan the benchmark nikkei up one point seven percent and stocks in seoul and shanghai are advancing ahead of the close. I'm dr snyder npr news.
8-22-19 What's News
"It's time for nicole sandler's. What's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive invoices network. We begin today with guns in the news. No thankfully there wasn't another mass shooting overnight at least not one that was horrific enough to garner news coverage average anyway but it's not due to lack of trying police say a mass shooting may have been averted after a california hotel worker was arrested following a tip that he had threatened to shoot colleagues and customers thirty seven year old man was arrested at his home in huntington beach california after an employee at the mariot in long beach raised the alarm officers officers said the warning likely saved lives police seized high powered weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. The police chief said the suspect had clear plans lands intent and the means to carry out an act of violence. That's just one at least twenty. Seven people have been arrested <unk> over threats to commit mass attacks since the shootings in el paso in dayton a few weeks ago a significant number of these threats have come from teenagers making violent promises thomases from the perceived anonymity of the internet and several more credible threats were racially motivated. Well nancy pelosi announced that she'd be calling the house democratic caucus back into session early to deal with guns a hearing on gun violence scheduled in the judiciary committee set for september fourth. Meanwhile activists activists interrupted a ceremony in san francisco hotel wednesday night where lucy was being honored. They demanded that she spearhead impeachment proceedings to remove move. Donald trump from the white house. They stood on chairs unfurled tapestries with the phrase. We can't wait and chanted. Which side are you on. Pelosi impeach sh well governor jay inslee of washington the latest to drop out of the race for the democratic presidential nomination. He announced his a decision wednesday night on the rachel. Maddow show saying it has become clear. I'm not going to be carrying the ball. I'm not going to become president. Inslee ran on a platform that focused on climate change. It's expected that instantly will announce sometime thursday that he will now run for a third term as governor of washington john john hickenlooper who withdrew last week announced he'll run for senate from colorado challenging the vulnerable incumbent republican cory gardner and it appears ears that donald trump has another primary challenger former illinois congressman joe walsh calling the president and unfit divider and chief and claiming that the party is craving an alternative turn it of told politico on wednesday that he was confident he could secure the resources and support to mount a challenge against trump stay tuned and what is probably the most devastating stating news in this report and then some vast fires are ravaging the amazon sending plumes of smoke that dark skies over brazilian cities at a time when there is international or national pushback against brazil's president bolsonaro and his environmental policies brazil space agency said that nearly seventy three thousand is in fires had broken out across the amazon rainforest since the beginning of the year imperilling one of the planet's last refugees of biodiversity and raising concern about the region's agents ability to combat climate change amid a rollback of environmental protections by the country's far-right leader scientists warned that losing another fifth of brazil's amazon will trigger the feedback loop known as dieback in which the forest begins to dry out and burn and a cascading system collapsed beyond the reach of any subsequent acquaint human intervention or regret in related news the u._n. Secretary general will host the u._n. Climate action summit on september twenty third donald trump announcing. He'll skip the summit sending e._p._a. Administrator andrew wheeler to lead the u._s. delegation and finally after coining the term brag lying to describe some of trump's record-breaking mendacity. We have a new moniker for some of his disturbing. Behavior will call this one juice planning yes. The orangemen is claimed that ah jewish americans are ill informed about policy when they throw their support overwhelmingly to democrats trump and his minions have their work cut out for them about seventy one percent out of jewish voters sided with hillary clinton over trump in two thousand sixteen the support jumping to seventy nine percent for democrats last year's midterms just when you thought we'd hit rock-bottom donald trump's surfaces again with a message from down below this week's not even over yet but he's on a roll with a never ending supply of controversial and contradictory trajectory statements trump's messianic delusions began earlier in the week when he thanked and re tweeted a conspiracy theorists for describing him as being being like the king of israel and saying jews quote love him like the second coming of god just in case. It's not already clear. Here's chris as this morning morning. In what was i mean. Even by the standards of our era truly bizarre moment trump posted a transcription on twitter of quote from an infamous right wing crackpot conspiracy theorist. I claim that jews in israel love trump clear like he's the king of israel. They love him like he is the second coming of god. There was no i coming. I'm for the jews. That's the point that's kind of the whole thing after that <hes> whether intentional or not trump finished his morning by grumpily yelling at the white house hedges along with the assembled press corps a trade war he's trying to distance himself from and he looked at the sky and declared the following so somebody excuse me somebody had to do it. I am the chosen one and that's just a bit of what's news for now on nicole sandler. If you appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show oh. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported and i really can't do it without your help for more information visit nicole sampler dot com and click on the donate button.
NPR News: 07-01-2020 12AM ET
"Live from NPR news. I'm Shay. Stevens the White House has leaked information about potential Russian bounties targeting us. Troops will make it harder to gather intelligence in the future. NPR's. Roscoe reports that members of Congress have been briefed on the disputed allegations revealed through news reports White, house, press secretary. Kelly. mcenaney says the least to the media will make it more difficult to substantiate the claims. She accused quote. Rogue intelligence officers of leaking the information to the anonymous sources who leaked classified information. You should know this. You may seek to undermine our president, but in fact you undermine our country safety and our country security the White House has. Has, said President. Trump was never briefed on claims that Russia might have paid bounties to the Taliban to attack you as forces because the intelligence was unverified, mcenaney would not say whether the information was included in the president's daily brief. Aisha roscoe NPR news corona virus infections are rising in majority of states with the United. States recording around forty thousand new infections daily that number is projected to more than double of states cannot contain the outbreak NPR's will stone has. Has This report. On the nation's hardest hit areas across the south and west cases continue to surge Arizona, California Texas and Florida now account for about half of all new infections in the US in California, the average number of daily cases has shot up more than seventy five percent in the past two weeks, and those under thirty five account for about half of recent cases in that state, according to one analysis, pm McDonald is an infectious disease epidemiologist with the. The think tank RT International. Those ages are socially mixing more than they will refer. They're also not kicking personal precaution. Younger adults also make up a growing share of new infections and many other states including Florida and Arizona Wellstone NPR news Washington Mississippi's official state flag will no longer include a confederate emblem governor Tate Reeves signed the bill to retire the pro slavery symbol and have a commission come up with a replacement. A monument acknowledges and honors our passed. A flag is a symbol of our president of our people in our future. For those reasons. We need a new symbol. Rave says he would have liked to see. Voters decide whether to retire Mississippi's confederate battle flag, but we'll let the public have its say on a replacement symbol in November. Former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper has one that state's Democratic Senate. Primary Hickenlooper will face incumbent Republican Cory Gardner in November meanwhile, businesswoman and Gun Rights Activists Lauren Bogert has unseeded five term. GOP Congressman Scott Tipton in Colorado's third district Tipton was endorsed by President. Trump This is NPR news. Tennessee officials say they plan to require first time voters who register by mail to cast their ballots in person last month, the judge ruled that all eligible Tennessee voters may cast absentee ballots during the coronavirus pandemic, but the judge did not indicate whether his ruling also applies to newly registered voters. Stocks closed higher Tuesday despite ominous warnings about the rise in Corona virus infections. NPR's Scott reports the Dow Jones. Industrial average jumped two hundred seventeen points. The Dow rose more than eight tenths of a percent, the broader s and P, five hundred index climb more than one and a half percent, capping off the best quarter for the SNP. More than two decades, all the major stock indexes at bounced back strongly since bottoming out in late March, but those gains could be fragile. Fragile than half the states are now saying an acceleration in new corona. Virus Infections Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome. Powell told lawmakers a surge in cases could undermine the public confidence. It's necessary for an economic recovery in a separate hearing Dr Anthony Fauci warned measures of the pandemic in this country are moving in the wrong direction Scott. horsely NPR news Washington us. Futures are down slightly in pre market, trading and shares mostly higher on markets across Asia down a fraction in Tokyo. New York's attorney. General and lawyers in a class action lawsuit have announced in nearly nineteen million dollar settlement with Harvey Weinstein and his former studios board of Directors Weinstein was convicted earlier this year of raping and assaulting two of dozens of women accusing him of sexual misconduct. I'm Shay Stevens. This is NPR news. Support for NPR.