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Bloomberg Radio New York
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"Right direction in dealing with predatory Chinese practices, both economic and political. Well, how about with regard to Ukraine though with reports that they may be considering providing suicide drones to Russia, which would clearly be used in Ukraine. This might be something on the docket for these two to talk about. Maybe they know something ambassador. We need to prepare for this and I credit the Biden administration for having intelligence reports on this possibility and then threatening warning the Chinese don't do it. I suspect the Chinese will not do it. If, in fact, they do it. I believe it will be very important for the United States and our allies and partners to put serious sanctions on the Chinese. I think the Chinese do not want to worsen relations with Washington by sending weapons to Russia. We'll see. We should note on Thursday Schultz warned China not to arm Russia ahead of this meeting, expressing disappointment that Beijing was no longer willing to join in a quote clear condemnation of the Russian attack. We certainly saw that this week in the G 20 meeting ambassador. How much of a problem is that? Look, I mean, I welcome that statement. It's good that the Germans are taking a firm line with the Chinese. And again, I would credit The White House with helping move the Germans in that direction. Magic could come talk to us John herbs, former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Thank you, sir for being with us. He's now with the Atlantic council's Eurasia center. In fact, he is senior director. I want to get back to what we heard from Korean Jean Pierre today as we prepare to assemble the panel. Here's the press secretary at The White House talking about Biden Schultz. They first met when he became German Chancellor Early last year, I believe on February 7th. Soon after he clearly took office and they met here at The White House and over the past several years, they've seen each other at the margins of the G 7 and the summit in Germany at NATO at the G 20 summit and have talked by phone regularly. And so this is a clearly a relationship that has been that has been growing over the last year. There was some bodies. Rick Davis and Jeannie Chan xino join us, I'm happy to say on a Friday here on Bloomberg sound on. Bloomberg politics contributors in our signature panel. What do you think Rick, what's the significance of this meeting today and was it smart to have no news conference? No real public face to this event at all. Well, I definitely take it that it is a working visit in the sense that they don't really have an intention of making a big public harangue about it, but are have things to talk about. And I think we've heard from ambassador herpes about some of those topics are very important to the ongoing presence of the war in Ukraine. So it makes all sense to have that kind of a session and to follow up on the NATO conferences from last week and the visit. But I would say it is a little insulting that the Chancellor Schultz doesn't get a better reception from the Americans. No fancy dinner, no big press conference No bands. Here's a couple of cars in a good night. It's about all the guys getting on this trip. So hopefully that plays back home for him. And that maybe that's part of the dynamic of German politics to go here and work and not to play, but it does seem to be productive. And hopefully they can get on the same script. They certainly said they're on the same script, but I agree with ambassador herps. I think that script needs to be more aggressive. Yeah, well, okay, and that's another factor here too though, but about the communications Genie. Yeah, there's going to be some images of them in the Oval Office together. I'm not sure anybody cares. You couldn't even hear what they were saying on the reporter's shotgun mics in there. They're kind of looking at the floor. It's very serious tone. If you want to project unity, why not put them out there in the east room for a news conference? Yeah, I mean, people were describing it as unusual, perplexing. You know, almost a low key to a point of baffling and to Rick's point, you know, you have the, you have the Chancellor traveling with no press. We understand he's doing an interview with CNN that won't even air until Sunday. And so the big question is, of course, why? What is going on? And some of the speculation is, of course, that the Chancellor came over here to tell Biden that he's got to really watch the rhetoric ratcheting up in Congress and out of the administration with China that that is a real concern for Germany and the impact could be dramatic, but of course that is all speculation, but I would just note, you know, look at the op-ed that Peter baker of all people wrote in The New York Times the other day. There is decreasing support across the board for the effort in Ukraine in the ambassador made the good point is Biden risking under resourcing this war to the point where it is unwinnable because it is going to drag on too long. That is a big question as we start year two of this thing. What do you think of that idea, Rick? Did Olaf schulz come here with a message for Joe Biden? You know, he may have. I mean, he's been a pretty stalwart supporter of the Biden plan as it relates to the Ukraine. And maybe there are issues at home that are pushing him in a different direction. Certainly there was enormous confusion around this tank issue. And it didn't look good that the NATO forces and the United States couldn't get on the same page repeatedly. So maybe this is a session where they're just getting their messages and their actions aligned so that there's no more public look like there's a split in NATO. This is extremely important to zelensky that there's a unified Europe unified United States backing his effort in the war and any opening is exploited by the Russians and were in this instance. Rick and Ginny are with us on a Friday, it's Bloomberg sound on. Thanks for joining us here on Bloomberg radio. We also got news late today from The White House that I need to ask you both about. Not so much about the impact of this because it appears to be said and done. The president had a cancerous lesion removed, it was from his chest and this is just being disclosed a couple of weeks after the fact here on a Friday afternoon. This is basal cell carcinoma, a common form of skin cancer, his doctor Kevin O'Connor issued a letter saying
Bloomberg Radio New York
"john herb" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"A day after Vladimir Putin blamed Ukraine. For an explosion that damaged a key bridge connecting Crimea to Russia and Putin is threatening more now after targeting civilian infrastructure, civilian neighborhoods in this latest barrage. The images are horrifying, vitali Klitschko is the mayor of key. Angry and want to depend our houses depends our families, our children. President zelensky back on the phone today with President Biden to discuss the need for more air defenses, something we discussed earlier today on Bloomberg with Mark Esper, the former Secretary of Defense. I think at this point, we need to rush anti aircraft systems long-range anti aircraft anti missile systems into Ukraine and provide Ukraine of veneer of defense because at this point, this seems to be like one of the last cards that Vladimir Putin has, and that's the long-range bombardment of civilian cities. It's quite a thought. Let's bring in John herb's former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine now senior director of the Atlantic council's Eurasia center. Ambassador welcome back. We appreciate your being here. A French president Emmanuel Macron says the attacks that we saw by Russia on infrastructure in Ukraine represent a deep change in the war. Is he right? I would say represents more maybe it perhaps a lot more of the same. This is not the first time Putin has gone after infrastructure that he's been going after civilian targets since the start of the big invasion. And the end of February. Yeah. Ukraine was able to shoot down only half the missiles fired by Russia as they read on the terminal here. We recall president zelensky's cry for help ambassador to close the skies with the words that he chose when he spoke with. Spoke to a joint session of Congress. Is this simply a matter of providing more long-range missile defense systems like Mark Esper said and if that's the case, how come we haven't already? Esther is right. Look, our policy as Moscow is conducted this war of aggression in Ukraine has been adequate, but not as good as it could and should be. Administration has sent lots of weapons to Ukraine and they deserve credit for that. But the weapons they've said have always been, you might say, the second rank. Second order. And I usually say no before they say yes before sending weapons of more sophisticated kind. So like the high Mars with range of 85 kilometers, we finally sent at the end of June, Ukraine should have had in March. But we said no until finally we said yes. And that's over a fear of escalation, right? Correct. David, they've been intimidated in my judgment by Putin's nuclear threats. Many times, we said we can't do this because we're afraid Moscow might escalate. That is a posture of weakness, which is not suitable to our interest. Finally, finally, we seem to have gotten that point right when Biden's still very strongly against the threats of nuclear strikes by Putin a couple of weeks ago at the UN and on 60 minutes. But before that, we kept saying we can't do X because again, Russia might have speculated basically. We are much stronger than Russia. We have a long history of deterring Soviet power, which is greater than Putin's power should demonstrate that now. Well, I feel like I'm asking this every day at this point and I'm sure I've asked you ambassador, do we need to not go back to the initial request for MiGs from Poland or other NATO friends that are flying these jets that would be easy for Ukraine to start flying now? Or is the concern that this spills over Ukraine's borders? Is that why the jets are off limits? Again, it comes from a certain timidity on the part of the administration, which is unfortunate, which is not served our interest. Again, look, the support we provided to Ukraine has been decent. It's been adequate, but it could be stronger and it could be if we did the right thing earlier. And if we do the right thing now, this will come to a satisfactory and faster. And we'll at the current pace. Just makes you feel like what else is behind that door there that we haven't sent already. The reluctance has really been laid bare by conversations like these. They're asking for tacos, which are missiles, which have a range of up to 300 kilometers. They're asking for more high Mars and high Mars with longer ranges, not the 85 kilometers that we're sending, but a 150 kilometers or more. They're asking for tanks to asking for armored personnel carriers. And they're asking for as former defense secretary Esper said, high range of anti aircraft defense. All these things we should be Sunday. We should be sending. Putin's army is on the ropes in Ukraine. We want to help you create recapture all of its territory sooner rather than later. Ambassador how real is the possibility of this war spilling over into neighboring countries crossing the border. Well, it would be improved to the possibility of Putin escalating. By escalating, I mean going beyond Ukraine or dropping a tactical nuclear weapon or two on Ukraine. The point is this. Putin's objective is not to take a bit of territory in Ukraine's east. It's his objective today is to take political control of Ukraine. As objective tomorrow, once he has Ukraine in his pocket, is to go after other states, including our NATO allies. So he is coming for our NATO allies, and we are bound to defend with American troops. So American interests, smart American policies to give Ukraine everything it needs to defeat Putin for us. So all we are providing is our weapons and money, not soldiers and American lives. And therefore. And deter Putin from doing the same to Estonia or another former piece of the Soviet Union. That's correct. We appease Putin in Georgia. We appease Putin when he sees Crimea in 2014. Let's stop appeasing and let's help you clean beat him. So again, we don't have to worry about our Baltic allies
Bloomberg Radio New York
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"These outrageous acts for what they are. Putin claims he had to act because Russia was threatened. But no one threatened Russia. And no one other than Russia sought conflict. You're welcome, someone now who is an authority on foreign affairs generally and Ukraine in particular, John herbs. He's senior director at the Atlantic council, mister herbs earlier served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. So mister ambassador, thank you so much for being with us. Let's go back to President Biden really invoking the powers of the UN to do something about Ukraine. Are they going to do anything about it? It's very hard for the UN to act because the way to have effective action is usually through the Security Council. And Russia has a veto over anything Security Council must approve as does China. So the UN helped a little bit on the grain embargo that Moscow imposed on the shipment of Ukrainian grain. But that was only because Russia eventually agreed to it. Decisive action has to come from the United States. In the meantime, we heard from president Putin of Russia overnight, and he both had what he calls, I guess, a partial mobilization, is that right? As well as some pretty, I think intended to be scary talk. You're absolutely right. Putin has regularly invoked Russia's nuclear weapons in order to deter the United States and NATO and Ukraine. From taking resolute steps to help defeat Putin's invasion of Ukraine. And this is more of the same. The partial mobilization enables Putin to pull in more troops without, in fact, conscripting people in Russia do not want to fight. So it's only of limited political risk. The nuclear threat that Putin laid out, he laid out at the same time that he's endorsing sham referenda in parts of Ukraine that the Russians only partly control. So the idea is if these sham referenda include the resultant, a majority of people there want to join Russia, in theory, Russia may an exit. And Putin is intimating, but not stating explicitly that his nuclear arsenal would be used to protect those lands. Again, the idea is to intimidate the United States out of NATO out of sending Ukraine, the weapons they need to defeat the Russian aggressors in Ukraine. The summer semester, how do we know when to take president Putin at his word and take him seriously? Because I drew the same conclusion you just said. When you put together this sham election over in certain parts of eastern Ukraine, annexed them into Russia with his statement that he would use he didn't use the word nuclear. I don't think, but it was clear what he was talking about for an invasion of Russian soil until now we wouldn't be talking about that, but if they annex it, then he'll say, yeah, you're invading my soil if the Ukrainian forces try to retake those areas. Look, we have to pay close attention to this because Russia has is a pure nuclear power of the United States. But if you watch Putin's activities, he's always happy to threaten this. Because there's no risk in threatening. And in fact, he's gotten the United States to self deter from sunny weapons systems Ukraine by this threat. Not in all cases, but in some. So there's no risk to Putin and threatening. There's enormous risk to him and actually doing. And we've seen him make the threat and then not carry through. For example, he said when Finland and Sweden expressed their interest in joining NATO in months ago, he said, well, we could have a nuclear response. Well, NATO is now accepting Finland and Sweden. And you've had only a deputy minister of foreign affairs complaining about this. So that's what went out the window. Putin does not want to die in a nuclear Holocaust. So the fact that he might threaten is one thing, the fact that he would actually do is another. What do you understand that? What about the partial mobilization? How big a threat is that? I mean, it's something that I think president Putin didn't want to do because in part, it conveyed even to his own people, maybe things weren't going so well. Well, keep in mind, he's had a dreadful two months. Remember, they promised to take back to take all of Dunbar's in April and began an offensive to do that. And by the end of July, that offensive was stalled, then Ukrainians take back more territory in a counter offensive than Russia has seen since last April. So it's a two defeats in a row, then Putin goes to semicon for the Shanghai cooperation organization summit. He winds up apologizing to Xi, the leader of China publicly for his Ukraine policy, and he's chastised publicly by his pal Modi, the leader of India. So he said, he's had a dreadful several weeks. Now with this partial mobilization, which again does not threaten him politically in Russia, he can say I'm doing something. And then he's hoping that this nuclear threat will stay our hand. I don't think it will, but the Biden team has a timed and too timid when Putin has made that nuclear type of nuclear threat. So let me ask the unfair question, but I think it's all of our minds. How does this end? Because president Putin is going to have to come away saying to his people, he got something from it. Ukraine's not going to want to give him anything at all. How does this end? I think it ends when Ukraine takes back almost all the territories not all the territory that Moscow currently controls. Putin fully controls the Russian media. He can claim victory even if this were to happen. But keep in mind, some people want Ukraine to compromise by giving territory to Russia. But Russia has been conducting a war of war crimes with genocidal elements. They've been torturing Ukrainian civilians, raping Ukrainian women, abducting Ukrainian children. So if Ukraine was offered Russia territory, that means he's offering Russia Ukraine is offering Russian millions of Ukrainians who could be tortured and worse. We can not accept that. Ukrainians will not accept it. And Ukrainian arms, usually Ukrainian forces with American and NATO arms can win this war. Mister basil, let me come back to where we started, which was President Biden in front of the United Nations General Assembly. At this point, will this go down as a failure of the United Nations? I mean, a lot of us are not familiar with it the way you are, thought that that's why the UN was there. And it's not because you are going to do anything about this. Do you and was created to help avoid circumstances like this. But as long as major powers have a veto in the UN National Security Council, major powers that conduct aggressive wars, the UN can not serve that purpose. There are other things that you want can do, which are helpful. So it has a role, but it's just not a role to be the arbiter of who is right. Of arbiter imposing a piece when a major power turns to be and it turns out to be an aggressive. President Biden did call for
Bloomberg Radio New York
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"Today at IBKR dot com slash GA and up first today shares of global parent Alphabet they are down to three and a third percent this morning after yesterday is first quarter earnings miss Mandy Singh a Bloomberg intelligent points to slower ad sales and a week performance by YouTube The search business continues to outperform here and that reflects in both their core search and their Google network segment What has missed is the YouTube segment as well as the Google other where you have the App Store revenue So those were the two that missed And my deep sing a Bloomberg intelligence that's who's speaking Meanwhile quarterly sales and earnings for Microsoft topped analyst projections yesterday Microsoft is at more than 5% ahead of the bill Well later today Karen Facebook parent company meta reports Bloomberg intelligence says near term revenue growth could come in at the low end of expectations On Wall Street the S&P and NASDAQ slumped yesterday as stocks begin the day at a 6 week low Elon Musk is feeling the effects of yesterday's sell off Karen We get more on that live from Bloomberg's journey to Jung Good morning Grenada Good morning Nathan Elon Musk steak and Tesla tumbled by more than $32 billion yesterday after shares plunged 12% But this kind of volatility is not new for him sharp declines of periodically hit Tesla stock over the past two years and they've been offset by even larger gains However this time more is at stake since Musk is planning to buy out Twitter for $44 billion He can afford it based off of Tuesday's closing price but now there's less wiggle room And what if the deal falls through An SEC filing shows the deal includes a $1 billion breakup fee if either side backs out Live in New York I'm ranita young Bloomberg daybreak All right Renee to thank you and update on COVID-19 from the nation's top infectious disease expert doctor Anthony Fauci tells PBS the U.S. is out of the pandemic phase as the hospitalizations and deaths drop Overseas European gas prices surged to more than 20% after Russia stopped natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria former ambassador to Ukraine John herbs tells Bloomberg's Joe Matthew It comes as Russia's struggles to achieve its goals in Ukraine Russia is losing I think many smart people in Moscow understand this I'm not sure that Putin understands this Former ambassador to Ukraine John herp speaking with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg sound on airing weekdays at 5 p.m. eastern on Bloomberg radio That's the 5 things you need to know to start your day It's now 6 33 on Wall Street where 48° in Central Park still dealing with that accident in northbound state threw away after exit 15 a Now let's bring in Michael.
Bloomberg Radio New York
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"And we are just about four hours away from the open of U.S. trading let's get you up to date on the news you need to know what the shower After its first quarter earnings miss yesterday shares of Google parent Alphabet are down more than two and a half percent in early trading mandeep Singh of Bloomberg intelligence points to slower and sales in a week performance by YouTube The search business continues to outperform here and that reflects in both their core search and their Google network segment What has missed is the YouTube segment as well as the Google other where you have the App Store revenue So those were the two that missed Bloomberg intelligence analyst mandate Singh says suspending commercial activities from Russia also affected alphabet's earnings Meanwhile sales and earnings from Microsoft beat estimates Microsoft is up 5 and a half percent ahead of the opening Bill Facebook parent company met a reports today after the close Karen and Bloomberg intelligence says near term revenue growth could come in at the low end of expectations Nathan on Wall Street stocks begin the day at a 6 week low the S&P 500 lost 2.8% yesterday while the tank heavy NASDAQ slumped almost 4% While perhaps nobody was affected more by that sell off yesterday than the world's richest man and Bloomberg junior young joins us live with that story Good morning Rita Good morning Nathan Elon Musk's steak and Tesla tumbled by more than $32 billion after shares plunged by 12% yesterday But for the world's richest man this kind of volatility is not new Sharp declines of periodically hit Tesla's stock over the past two years and they've been offset by even larger gains However this time more is at stake since Musk is planning to buy out Twitter for $44 billion He can still afford it based off of Tuesday's closing price but now there's less wiggle room Meantime what if the deal falls through An SEC filing shows the Twitter Musk deal wouldn't include a $1 billion breakup fee if either side backs out Live in New York I'm ranita young Bloomberg daybreak Thank you Overseas European gas prices surged over 20% after Russia stopped natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria former ambassador to Ukraine John herb says it comes as Russia struggles to achieve its goals in Ukraine Russia is losing I think many smart people in Moscow understand this I am not sure that Putin understands this Former ambassador to Ukraine John.
Bloomberg Radio New York
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"You just outlined I give Biden credit for responding Also a little bit late but not nearly as late as with the weapons supply And strengthening our forces in the ammonia eastern neonatal allies They began to do that in the middle of January They've strengthened that since So they've done that I say I give them a B plus to an a minus for that On the weapons supply they've got a gentleman's seat I'd like to see it get better Russia cut the gas to Poland and Bulgaria ambassador What does that tell us about what else Vladimir Putin is capable of Well he has basically two instruments of leverage One are his nucleus nuclear program which only works if we are frightened and self deterred by it because we have nukes too And the other concerns oil and gas So he can stop the supply but keep in mind he needs western dollars as much as sadly our European allies need his oil and gas But Poland Poland is not the issue Poland can live without Russian gas and oil Unfortunately Germany seems to be able unable to break the habit at the moment Although I think they're taking strides to break it same with the 9 to 12 months Well you know Poland how much does it concern you though about Putin's eyes on Poland knowing that that's where a lot of important supply lines are going in terms of weapons entering Ukraine a lot of refugees going out and you've got American journalists dancing around lviv I realize it's a dangerous place but there's a lot of activity there that has Vladimir Putin's attention Would it not make you nervous to be in Poland right now They're what 40 miles away in lviv Look I think it's unlikely not impossible that Moscow would strike Poland They are not able to achieve their objectives in Ukraine Why risk some stronger response from NATO But you can't rule it out You can't rule out a quote unquote accidental Russian missile arriving somehow in Poland Accidental on purpose maybe to test the alliance But if our leadership is sound we've already discussed this possibility with the NATO And we have in mind a strong response I say if in fact our leadership on this is sound I don't know the answer to that I know what I hope We're preparing for a massive battle in the east which speaks to the weapons systems You say that Ukraine needs as that takes place Do you also support the blinken vision of restoring a diplomatic presence Not just in the country but in Kyiv Of course look while I was a diplomat for 31 years diplomacy can also be riskier times I mean for its practitioners In the mid 80s we had the Iran Iraq War not the one that we were involved in We had diplomats in Baghdad when the Uranus was sending scud missiles into Baghdad We did not pull them out At some point in the late 80s and the early 90s this was when I was in the foreign service we became truly risk averse We need to understand that there are times when American national interests require our diplomats to be a forward presence And this is one of those times Someone suggests if it were not for Benghazi we would have stayed Well it's funny Benghazi was a mistake put our ambassador there in that facility But and then of course he died tragically But there are other risks that we can and should take which we have not And this one is a reasonable risk John herbs does this end with Ukraine as a so called neutral country never to join NATO I don't know the answer to that I believe this will end with Ukraine being a truly sovereign country.
Tha Boxing Voice
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"For the hasha native for the Split who's discern. Fight no no no no remember cruise was supposed to fight the undisputed fight on the. Te'o okay so then that got scrapped. And they were gonna keep branched on on that card and then they just scrapped the whole thing. So now they've got a chiller versus. Which is john rule and fat. Joe if my time line i'm just fight. There's no fights it's just bite sent me a press release right here and fight fights on that and they will fight pablo's well it's going to be here at the hard work in lower. Yeah hollywood on september fourteenth tuesday. That's crazy and it's gonna to be on fire tv. Intra pablo cesar. Canoas the headline. Wow very i it's done lead those zarrella alita or whatever. The hell that is then. You've got michael dutch overseas now. Here all bright. And then you've got Miguel arnhold who the hell is that under. Oh i don't know. Miguel angelo ange. Angel angelo very on hill angelo versus sunny frederickson. And then you got unesco gonzales versus tommy karpinski and then bryce. That's pretty good card. Bryce henry this fine print is insane. Fucking while i always look for like the positives in the cards or not always but he does try he. As long as i know definitely show bags level. So they they. They ain't plan they interesting matchups on this card man. It's like cross running around cao's four world spice man. yeah listen. That decade is twenty four and twenty two knockouts. I believe i'm almost positive on the knockout. And that's what he's fighting. Well he fought it lightweight but that might be a super lightweight but but mcgee but but sunny frederickson. He's been in there with allison saito samuel tea or whatever may Tan who else i think. Let me see our gill on mean people probably don't know who that is. He's a guy that's fun. Texas and california lot but yeah i mean i guess that's pretty much. It does the only names i really see Attended oh fighter. Show hodge john herb. Gosh oh it's that the amateur guy from who's meccas yup. That's him yeah he he lost him but you know he's got a pretty good record. Twenty one in four with fourteen. Cao's and like i said he's been in there with alex. Saito's shared the ring with a lot of decent fighters samuel t- So not about going to be a good card. I'm ex- more excited about the verses. But i like this. It's like the versus the main event. We know that. But like here's this little boxing card or whatever to kinda like. Keep your who whistle wet. Who's going to win fat. Joe and norio. I don't know man. That's tough that role. I think it's i think. I think that joseph pedder lyricists i think. Gyros got the more hits. He's got more songs than i am like. I like fat joe's flow better than john. Oh yeah me too me too but come on be jaw. Rules i mean hits are like i like john. That's won't be a member where you were in your life when you hear some adjara songs like that should only happen like elton john or like dr drey like you know what i'm saying but like death like a high level thing to have but to me fed joe's got the better delivery he's all. He has the better lyrics better flow like style more. I think a lot of his or bangers hit like liebe like who's come all the way up going to get the crowd cronk. Is some ajar rules more softer tracks really like pump up the crowd and sway them. Because that's the big thing with those verses beep. Boxing you know the losing us way the other thing. Here's another thing about this. Is one underrated factor stage presence. Mario yeah sure h presence it comes up when he he kicks his versus and she pops chess saudia a little when when jay z. Was on tour when they when they had that. Can i get a what. What and he talks verse. Shit the i like. John i do. I think he wins. But man i would not be surprised loses when i'm gonna lead towards fat joe though because i think he i think he is. He's a better battler. i. I think john got more. Hits is going to be tough for him to lose man you know. Oh okay called in.