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Poltergeist III (1988) | Gary Sherman

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Poltergeist III (1988) | Gary Sherman

"Welcome to around the world in eighty s movies. My name is vince leo. I'm the author of the film review website. Quick stir dot net. I've been doing film reviews since one thousand nine hundred eighty six. You can read all of my written work. There eclipsed her dot net. Twip s. t. e. r. dot net. While you're there doing courage you to click the link to my other podcast. Actually a newly revamped podcast used to be called the quit. Stor film review podcast. But if you've been listening to that podcast changes afoot. And i'll be talking about some of those changes toward the end of this particular episode of around the world in amy smoothies. But if you do go there. I do encourage you to click the link to the new podcast that i'm doing called to the nineties and beyond i'll explain much more about that in the little bit today. I'm going to be getting into the third part of this. Three part series looking at the poltergeist films of the nineteen eighty s. The movie that i'm going to be doing today. Pretty much killed the franchise. At least for a while poltergeist. Three came out in nineteen eighty eight and it was rated pg thirteen it does have scary images teen drinking and some language. The run time is an hour and thirty eight minutes. The returning cast are hither and zelda rubinstein. The rest of the cast. Tom skerritt nancy allen. Larry flynn boyle kip. Winds richard fire and nate davis. The director is gary sherman. Sherman co writes a screenplay with brian. Taggert now before the completion of poltergeist to before it even came out. Mgm was already making plans for a third entry. Whoever they knew that. Both crazy nelson. And joe beth williams. They were paid exorbitantly to have to return for part two. They knew they weren't going to be so lucky. With part three neither actor anyway was enough of a box. Office draw to justify paying even more of a price tag especially once they found out two to wasn't gonna make that much money in the end much. Cheaper were some of the other. Actors that were synonymous with the franchise. Heather rourke zelda rubinstein. Even julian beck made quite an impression to them as they were making poltergeist to they were mostly unknown outside of the franchise so they could be had very cheaply now if they could put those characters in to maybe a different scenario they should be able to maintain franchise credibility while not having to overspend on the other talent. That really didn't help the bottom line. Poltergeist co writers in today's to writer producers. Mark victor and michael. Gray's they declined to continue at this point. They didn't see any need in further poltergeist film. So mgm contacted gary sherman. Now sherman was somebody that they originally had sought out for poltergeist to he was in the mix of potential directors. But at that time he was too busy making his nineteen eighty-six action film called wanted dead or alive but the eagerly sought him for part. Three now sherman. He had a low budget horror pedigree through efforts like raw meat dead and buried. But he'd been trying to branch out into other genres since then he wasn't particularly keen on the idea of returning. Especially since this was going to be a sequel and he would probably suffer by having comparisons to steven spielberg but mgm's than president. Alan ladd junior. And the head of film. Production for mgm g kanter. They had originally gave sherman his first break in films with his nineteen seventy-three debut rami aka death line. In addition to that they were sherman's mentors over the years and he really couldn't simply say no to them felt he had some obligations there but he did have some conditions if they really did want him to come back. I sherman wanted to film entirely in his hometown chicago illinois. He also wanted the film specifically set. If they could get it at the john hancock center that was a place that he had been planning on staging for a long time a heist movie. He was developing but he was really stagnating on where to go with it. And lastly he had long wanted to do an effects movie where all of the effects were going to be done live. he didn't want postproduction opticals. Figured was on its way to being the dominant force in visual effects. And he wanted to do the last really big film where live effects were done throughout the whole movie at the pitch this idea. Sherman reason with them that the first film was set in suburbia. The second was in mostly in a rural location and so the third really should be different than those it should be. More of an urban setting sherman grew up in a high rise chicago apartment building. That seemed very much like a contained city. Like you would find. In the john hancock center and he could draw from his own childhood experiences and some of the trouble he get into while he was living in the building confines. Now story challenge that he did have in his pitch. Was that the haunting films. Did tie into dead bodies buried in the ground so this new building was very different. It's in a different city thousands of miles away. You know. maybe that wouldn't work but he did think of a loophole. After observing that modern buildings were full of mirrored surfaces. he thought of lewis carroll's through the looking glass mairs served as portals to another dimension. The other side as depicted in the first two poltergeist movies could be traversed by the spirit realm potentially if the forces were powerful enough to make this happen now the only non budgetary story requirement from. Mgm was that it should center on the character of carol. Anne so sherman secured. Brian taggart. Who had helped him do a rewrite on wanted or live than the had really good rapport he brought into co script. The original film had the catch raise their here and the second. They're back so their initial title was going to be. We're back poltergeist. Three that later evolved to we're back. Poltergeists continues and then poltergeist three colon. We're back marketing. Really determined that as we're back didn't quite connect with audiences so eventually later in the process. The title change to pull the guys three colon the final chapter before they eventually settled simply poltergeists three the end. The story carolyn would be staying some time with her biological aunt patricia. Her new husband. Bruce gardner and bruce's teenage daughter donna. The gardeners live in this newly built multi-purpose chicago high rise where bruce also serves as the superintendent carolyn. Meanwhile is enrolled in this school for gifted but troubled kids. The schools skeptical therapist. Dr seton thinks caroline is hypnotize ing other people into believing in her delusions. That's why other people have experienced them seton forces carolina's speak about her experiences bringing to light her involvement with the dreaded reverend kane who it turns out begins contacting her again and he's drawing power from this new building eventually using that power to cross dimensions through its many mirrors meanwhile psychic ten gene barons telepathically senses caroline's danger. She returns to save the child from being stolen to the other side. By kane once again prior to making sherman had worked as an associate professor for animation and optical facts at the illinois institute of technology he also worked part time at a chicago optical effects house so he would tap into his broad knowledge to concoct clever allusions. Here it was going to be one big magic trick throughout the whole movie. Duplicate sets different types of mirror's optical flats of various densities that allowed various amounts of pass through light as well as reflection images would be added to mirrored surfaces using beam. Splitting technology are commonly found. In the printers extensive instructions really elaborate storyboarding involving maps floorplans shortlists smoke effects lighting structure those raw meticulously designed before they even start filming as the scenes. Were set up. The actress could use that time to spend hours rehearsing their timing their movements that were required to make this magic trick happen. Body doubles would also be employed for some of those illusions with reverse makeup and hairstyles wardrobe from their acting. My counterparts for the role of aunt. Patricia nancy allen. Her agent suggested that she take up the role after she was doing this film in rome that had its financing collapse. She didn't really like the second poltergeist film so her first impulse was to turn it down. But he encouraged her to read the script and she did and she liked that the character that she would be portraying was different than she had been typically offered throughout her career up to that point. She was a sophisticated and glamorous career woman and she found the story otherwise intriguing enough to potentially restore the luster of the poltergeist franchise. Nancy allen was chosen over the runner up season. Hughley who started insurance nineteen eighty-two thriller called vice squad and that was primarily because sherman felt that nancy allen was much more believable as being jo beth williams sister by the way williams did give nancy allen some advice. She told her she should stay in shape because the physical demands of poltergeist movie were unlike anything she had ever experienced. Allen did find that physicality very nerve wracking especially the fact that she had to be wet throughout most of that but o'rourke and her professionalism did have a calming effect on the other actors. Meanwhile tom skerritt took the other starring role. The uncle part because he did like the script it reminded him somewhat of alien when he read it. Any respect sherman as a filmmaker. He wasn't particularly a fan though once. He got onset of the persistent waiting for these effects to be set up the movie set was it was very isolated and it didn't allow him. Unlike other movie sets to walk off and have fun elsewhere to week things out like he did when he was making alien. The scared found the shoot physically challenging. He dubbed the daily feats he would have to perform the poltergeist olympics. Things weren't always smooth on the set scare did make a few jokes co star. Alan did find offensive in that resulted in some unintended friction between them. Allen says it's actually the only instance of personal strife that she'd ever had with fellow actor in her career poltergeist three also marks seventeen year old. Larry flynn boyle's first film role. Sherman had caster his pilot for his intended series called. Sable thought that she would work very well for the teenager in this film for the psychiatrist. The envisioned kind of dirk. Bogarde or louis hayworth type. They ended up filling the role with the chicago. Based actor and playwright called richard fire. Who was a longtime acquaintance of sherman's. Mgm did managed to rent portions of the john hancock center for about a week. It was difficult because the rest of the building was open to the public. So they have to share resources on occasion the film dope fictitiously renames the john hancock center into the george wellington streeter center that is in honor of this shady eccentric entrepreneur who became beloved historical figure in real life. Also renamed was donald highschool. It was called the francis w parker school but it got renamed the edward leading school. The film's production manager. Who often found a way to put his name somewhere in two films. He worked on shooting in the john. Hancock center went relatively smooth. But the window washing rig one hundred stories up that was kind of unnerving with chicago winds. Eventually they did need more time and more space than was available so they had to recreate selected corridors and rooms complete with furnishings at that nearby warehouse within this chicago factory complex that became their makeshift studio. Now doing the film entirely in chicago. They did lack some of the luxuries of hollywood resources. Astro which was chicago's largest motion. Picture lab was used process and display the dailies now sherman viewed them. He loved the cleaner aesthetic of knowing that his film was not going to go through the extensive post production process that typically degrades the image and the clarity and resolution of modern visual effects dominant films and although intended to be economical sherman's insistent on live effects techniques. Did save them very little money. It turns out in the end despite all of the meticulous preparation that he did. Mishaps did tend to abound during the production including four sherman. Who broke his foot while he was doing this dolly tracking shot. That went awry. He was saddled in a wheelchair for about a week. He was unable to move around the set a lot of cables around without having be carried by others and then after that he was in crutches hobbling around for weeks after that and meanwhile his foot would throb from the liquid nitrogen used for fog effects throughout a lot of this film other mishaps included the weather specifically for the scheduled exterior work. There were sequences that needed to be done. A top high-rise plagued by fog and required hours of waiting for that to dissipate and once it did was to sonny. Oftentimes to match the gloomy. Look that they needed to match other shots and that resulted in additional postponements the schedule for the film. Also jumbled when zelda. Rubinstein suddenly became unavailable for about a week after her. Mother's passing ruben science departure. They were forced to move up. Carol anne and reverend keen sequences up in the schedule in that required a real rush job for the makeup consultant dick smith and his proteges that he'd worked with on nineteen eighty. Three's hunger john cog leone and doug drexler and since the had decided to go with kane for the third film julian beck died after finishing his scenes for poltergeist too so the role of king required recasting after meeting with a number of actors. Dick smith determined that chicago actor. Nate davis who incidentally the father of director andrew davis of the fugitive fame. He had a similar facial structure to backs and with some prosthetic skin inherent teeth. He probably could pass very well as kane except his voice. David would in postproduction be dubbed by credited voice actor corey burton burton had replaced. Beck's voice somewhat in eighty are as needed for poltergeist to burton to get into the role. He had to smoke cigarettes before recording to give his voice the raspy nature required. Sherman did also write in occasions that required carol and to appear as kane in her facial features. Dick smith felt that babyfaced o'rourke looking evil. That was going to come off more silly than scary especially because she had very full cheeks at that time and it didn't lend well to putting on prosthetic applications. So sherman agreed to higher body doubles for some of the more elaborate make-up's additional mishaps include a major one scene in an underground parking garage that proved to be probably the worst day of the principal. Shoot the cast and crew already hated the claustrophobic conditions. Enough fans were kicking up swirling dust and smoke all over the place. It was hard to breathe. It was hard to stand around and visibility for the central through all of this poly steering. That was coded. All the cars to simulate frost. It was nearly nonexistent for them. And the worst day came when those cars where they're supposed to catch fire in the underground parking garage but an unexpected expense occurred in heaps of smoke and that fire caused about two hundred fifty thousand dollars in structural damage in the blast also injured meetings worker and two firefighters there and all one hundred fifty members of the crew and the cast had to be evacuated so costly on top of that quarter million dollars in structural damage as well. Meanwhile all of unforeseen events occurring did cause them to fall behind in time and expenses so dialogue scenes had to be hastily revised by himself co writer. Taggert services were unavailable during the shooed. Sometimes when sherman had no dialogue for the actors he just had them shout care. Land caroline overuse of her name so absurd. There are now very popular youtube videos containing the hundred and twenty one. Instances of some shouting out carol land. In addition some scenes were abridged and others just never filmed manly character moments involving the family. That referenced the prior films in addition ambitious action sequences especially including one involving bruce battling us japanese statue from art gallery that eventually reveals itself as kane. Those ambitious sequences had to be either replaced with something simpler or just removed altogether. The worst sacrifice though for sherman was that he had intended it very lengthy and much more elaborate ending for this film. That would spotlight carolyn. And gene giving them really good character moments that would culminate in them switching bodies using this very very tricky makeup illusion where they would tear off their faces whether traversing the mirror dimension with caroline morphing into ten gina vice versa. All very very elaborate. Mgm though by this point has just too costly for the remaining budget and the order chairman to devise a much more scaled back ending for the film sherman's new ending that he concocted involve patricia. Finding your family in case the ice and kane nearly victorious and then ten gina has some emotional moments with the tearful caroline before ultimately sacrificing yourself escorting kane into the light restoring the family in the end sherman loath having to do this new ending but he was hopeful that mgm would eventually once they see the film agree that it needed something more and allow him to proceed with the ending that the intended perhaps in reshoots indeed once poltergeist three did wrap test audiences reacted pretty poorly to the early cut. Especially this ending where they found the effects work was unconvincing and scares nearly non existent. An in particularly the acting aurora in rubinstein was deemed not really strong enough to carry the emotional weight that was required during those scenes despite attempts to try to edit around the weaknesses there. Rubinstein would eventually receive still her second razzie nomination for worst supporting actress as tan gina. Mgm still wanted to do some additional work to try to fix the endings issues and especially make it scarier but that would have to wait at least for a while because sherman did have a commitment to nbc to continue his sable series. After sherman's hiatus preparation did begin for those recruits. And that's when the bottom completely dropped out of this picture on february first. Nineteen hundred eight. Heather o'rourke tragically died. Heather had been rushed to the hospital after complaining of abdominal pain and she died on the operating table during surgery. The official cause of her death was cardiac and pulmonary arrest from the septic. Shock caused by congenital stenosis of the intestine essentially a severe blockage of this abnormally narrow portion of her bowel stat. Sheet apparently had since birth but went undiagnosed through her life. Many voiced concerned afterwards that this was not caught sooner because rourke had been taken to the hospital for illness on several occasions shortly before the shoot and also had failed. The cast physical. Meanwhile physicians at various times had diagnosed her malady as initially flu or an insect bite reaction or a parasite infestation from untreated well-water. And eventually early stage crohn's disease where the physician prescribed cortisone treatments that caused the swollen cheeks and neck that you see evidenced in this film afterward. Aurora's mother did file a wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital which was settled in arbitration for an undisclosed sum. Most of o'rourke pallbearers were professionals that she worked with the included. Henry winkler the fonz from happy days. Heather had worked for season toward the end of the run of that show. Headers manager mike. Meyer her agent and family friend. David wardlow as well as poltergeist. Threes director cary sherman and the producer. Barry bernardi sherman called the day of over funeral. The worst day of his life he had come to know and become very close to heather during her time there in fact he said he wanted to adopt her now. This was all following of course as we talked about on previous episodes. Dominick dunne's murder after the release of the first film julian terminal cancer after the rap of production in the second film and so aerobics was the third death of a prominent actor. Connected to the release of poltergeist film. Or the fourth. If you count pull the guys. Tease will sampson. Who passed away during this heart lung transplant. While we were shooting poltergeist. Three unsurprisingly though rumors quickly spread of a crisp franchise. And that's something that often gets discussed when discussing poltergeist franchise. Today it was cursed according to people who fancy such things because they had used real skeletons during the making of the first two films although that was a common practice for many of the films. That didn't have this supposed curse so it could be just a coincidence. Now getting back to the film at hand sherman could not now filmed the ending that he wanted because of aerobics absence and he had dismal scores from test audiences for what existed so sherman and latte and cantered pondered. Maybe they should shelve the film indefinitely. Alan ladd junior love children. He didn't even want to think about trying to market a film with a dead twelve-year-old in it and sherman in particular could not stomach thinking of having to look at footage of heather while in the cutting room trying to tinker with the various revisions. Mgm wanted however mgm was in dire financial straits its board of directors felt the invested. Just too much money to see this film. Get put on the shelf. For a franchise that was meant to draw in money. They insisted that the film should be completed on time with a new ending. That did not show lifeless over work and if they had to you they were going to proceed with or without schuermann hated the thought of returning. But he hated more. The thought of somebody else butchering his film. So he reluctantly agreed to continue with the re-shoot during this working with the existing footage of rourke and trying to finagle a better ending was deemed impossible by sherman as well as obviously being demoralizing his sorrow at heather's passing turnt eventually to hatred of this situation and then eventually apathy for the fate of his film after adding more intense moments with cane. He just slapped together. A quick pickup shot using a body double for aurora. That didn't show her face and that would be an ironic twist for the film. Heather o'rourke literally being replaced by a look like after passing to the side. Just like i guess happens for her character in the movie and during this process scott. Donna's love interest in the movie played by kip wentz. He remains on the other side at the end of the film because they neglected to even ask whence to return to film his seen as much as he wanted to. Put it behind him. However sherman's nuku did fall significantly short of the required length for delivery of this new film so rather than have to do additional reshoots on top of this. Sherman decided to get around all of that by slowing the speed of the opening credits as well as the end credits in cobbling together enough material using outtakes and previously discarded segments of the film to pat out the remaining. Run time now. Sherman knew that this was really throwing off the pacing of the movie. It was going to leave holes in the story but by this point he just wanted to put all of this behind him. He just didn't care frankly anymore about what happened to the movie. Unsurprisingly test screening reactions were negative overall and they movie just terrible so rather than spend any more money trying to fix something that was likely to be at this point permanently broken. Mgm decided to just dump what they had into theaters and recoup whatever they could meanwhile mdm's marketing department. They encountered their own dilemmas with aerobics passing. They perform test screens to try to gauge the audience's reaction to seeing the deceased young star on the screen as well as what they thought of dedication to her during the film's closing credits. But what they really struggled with was how to sell this film without seeming exploitative or offending potential audiences because of heather's death. They removed a shot of heather from the first trailer performing the line. Guess who's back in town. The also held back the film's stars from doing interviews to promote the film because they wanted to avoid these morose questions. That would dwell an aerobics. Death or any notions of this curse on the franchise. Tom skerritt did think that the studio hiding o'rourke was really exacerbating. Ready awkward situation because he felt the film is it dedicated to her memory. And she's wonderful in it that her work should be celebrated instead of hidden although over the years. Gary sherman has become proud of a lot of the techniques that he did manage to pull off. Given the circumstances he does proclaim poltergeist. Three as a major disappointment in his career and for a variety of reasons. The least favorite of his films. He does say that if you had the chance he could probably go back and make a good film out of what he was trying to do. But that ship has sailed unfortunately. And so what we're left with is a broken film for most people bulte guys three received on its release little fanfare debuted at number five before falling out of the top ten in the. Us earned a very lowly. Fourteen million dollars domestically. Unfortunately the century would be much more known. Much more publicized for aerobics. Passing interest in continuing the franchise beyond her waned deservedly. So there were a lot of problems with this endeavor that should have broken just about any franchise because it put most of its scares into. Strobe lighting effects. Fog machines literally smoke and mirrors to try to drum up frights. It's a lot less terrifying than your neighborhood. Mock haunted house on halloween original nine hundred. Eighty two toby hooper and steven spielberg film. You know that was an a-list production all of the way. The second was a significant step down. But it's still was a respectable effort to try to continue the story of the freelance but poltergeist three from its inception really was wrong headed. It was a studio cash in while they were still embers in the fire the lackluster quality would already have watched the last flickers out if it wasn't for the tragedy of a rock and all of the production problems that plague sherman throughout this film. Smoke and mirrors really cannot disguise that poltergeist. Three is a poorly executed. Ill-conceived excuse for scares for most people especially worthy of a straight to video. Release outside of these nifty camera tricks. It really is difficult film for most people to watch. And outside of the unfortunate demise of the child star. It's close to impossible to really remember much of it long after you see it so for all of this. I can only give poltergeist. Three objectively one and a half stars out of four one and a half stars on ice kilometer. Do you think poltergeist. Three is poor movie and not one. I would recommend to most people it actually has. It's sheriff dancer is a cult audience for this. But i can say that about just about any movie of the nineteen eighties and eventually finds its audience. I don't care how bad the film is. There are people that usually like it mostly people who saw it when they were kids. So what has stars really is. Honestly the best. I could give poltergeist three now. Even though this effectively killed the franchise at this point the french actually did continue on maybe not necessarily in film form in fact as early as january of nineteen eighty nine poltergeist. The series was announced as a possibility for a syndicated show it went into development but it was actually never made in the early nineteen ninety actually was discussion of perhaps doing a fourth poltergeist film. This time it would be a prequel showing reverend canes rise in his earthly demise. Eventually but that actually didn't go anywhere either. By the mid nineteen ninety s showtime started running seasons of poltergeist the legacy which would also be followed by one season on the scifi channel so four seasons of that show. The show didn't actually directly tie into the movies. Although gary sherman did get hired for the one thousand nine hundred seven season including writing and directing one of the episodes he was executive producer for that season and there remain mostly dormant until two thousand fifteen. Somebody decided to create a sub-standard remake of the nineteen eighty two film that starred sam rockwell. It's a movie mostly for cotton even though it only came out a few years ago forgotten so much that in two thousand nineteen just a few years later the russo brothers who were given free rein essentially to remake just about whatever they wanted in the mgm back catalogue. They were considering bringing back. Poltergeist media new movie probably a tv show and that's where it has remained in limbo ever since there's not a lot of new news. Other than the fact that they have the capability of making poltergeist and the desire if they can think of something unique to do it so we'll be posted ice again. Well there's probably a good chance given that it has name recognition but whether they can make something good out of it at also will remain to be seen. I'm hopeful someday. We'll see a return to the glory of the original phil. That's it for the poltergeist series. If you have your own thoughts on the poltergeist films that you want to part if you want to really champion poltergeist. Three s worthy film. You can do so by writing to me. You can find my contact information on my website. That's a quick stir dot net key w. i s. t. e. r. dot net leased to my twitter feed facebook. Page my instagram also. There you can get in touch with me any one of those ways. I do think that email is the easiest way to get in touch though as far as what. I'm going to be doing next week. Well we're going to continue on with a little bit of the haunted house treatment. We're going to go back actually to the nineteen seventies for the next show. One thousand nine to be exact four. The original film of the amity ville poor so check that out if you want to keep up with the reviews for the next episode and that will actually kind of kick in eventually to the other show that. I'm going to be doing to the nineties. And beyond we'll be companion program to around the world in eighty two movies a lot of the movies that i stopped at the end of the nineteen eighty s that continued into the nineties like the batman films and other things. I'm gonna be doing those films very much in similar format on to the nineties and beyond and the reason why it's called ambience because it's not going to be strictly films of the nineteen nineties sometimes as we do with eighty show. I'm going to continue on with some of the newer movies. That tie into these franchises that were done in the eighties nineties. So along those lines it could be kicking off. The first official episode of to the ninety cent beyond with a franchise is just getting remade in theaters and on hbo. Max the mortal kombat series. We're going to go back. The original nineteen ninety-five mortal combat. From paul w s anderson and considered by many people to be the greatest video game adaptation of its era. Maybe of all time. I don't know we'll get into that if you're interested in eighteen ninety s and you have not subscribed to the quitter film review. Podcast doing courage to go to quit. Dot net and clicking the link to to the ninety s beyond and getting that subscription ready for what is about to come. If you're ready somebody who follows equipped through film review. Podcast in your podcast player. You won't have to do anything. It's just gonna get replaced right there in your feed nothing more than you to do to get those episodes when they come out. I'm really looking forward to that. I hope you're excited about that too. But until then we still have the eighties to continue. And for that. I do thank you for continuing to join me on this journey around the world in eighty s movies coming.

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140: How to Get Financial Freedom So You Can Do What Youre Meant to Do with Belinda Rosenblum

"Welcome to the bigger pockets money podcast number one, hundred and forty where we interview Belinda Rosenbloom from own your money and her story of financial independence financial mistakes and how she's turned all of that into a six plus figure career. So a lot of really learning how to own your money into become unapologetic around money in your business is taking the emotion out of it. So it's coming to terms with the emotion, right recognizing that mindset piece for yourself but then recognizing that that doesn't have to rule show. Hello my name is Mindy Jensen and with me as always is my business savvy co host, Scott. Trench. But yeah, just love how these adjectives are incorporated into everyone of our introductions here. Scott and I are here to make financial independence less scary less just for somebody else and show you the following the proven steps. You can put yourself on the road to early financial freedom and get money out of the way. So you can lead your best light. That's right whether you want to retire early and travel the world gone to make big time investments and assets real estate or become a self made millionaire in your thirties and start your own business will help you position capable of watching yourself toward those dreams. Scott today's guest is Belinda Rosenbloom. She is a self starter, a CPA approach with a very impressive client list. You will recognize all of the names on the list she's worked for the SEC and Arthur Andersen before striking out on her own. Lessons learned from a corporate career and applying them I a personal finance. And then pivoting again to help small businesses, figure out how to consistently earn money. Before. We bring in Belinda. Let's hear from today show sponsor. Is Something preventing you from achieving your goals with all the changes in the world. Recently, life is different and different can be overwhelming better. Help is here to help better help. 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You'll get ten percents off your first month by visiting better health dot com slash pockets. That's better. Help Dot com slash pockets join over one million people taking charge of their mental health. Again, that's better. HELP DOT COM slash pockets B. T. T. R. H. E. L. P., dot, com, slash P. O., C. K. E. T. S.. Belinda Rosenbloom from own your money. Welcome to the bigger pockets money podcast I'm super excited to have you on the show today you are a CPA, a certified coach, some of your clients include Harvard Business School Harvard University Bentley, university I'm sorry. You're not more qualified to talk about money over here. I'll see what I can do. No I don't know twenty five years but I'll do. Improve that for even Indians, twenty five years we'll tell us where your journey with money begins. So we're absolutely so. I think from an early age we could kind of tell that I was going to be good at money like I was the type that would enjoy counting money. Back. I would like about my piggy bank and like not suspended account it. You know or you know my sister wanted she's my bicycle I was like that'll be a quarter please. where I I like had an affinity for money early on Accounting Applied Statistics Caesar some my favorite courses in high school I even had a side job working for my neighbors business when a lot of people were cutting lawns or only babysitting I was sending out monthly invoices and bookkeeping for an alarm company and I started to even get turned on then I was like this recurring revenue thing is really good when I grow up I WANNA be sending out invoices in collecting money every month to now and in college I had. I was you know a? Strong accounting student, all of that, and I was on the swim team and I wanted a side job. So I, work for catering company and a lot of people are kind of catering assistant and you like, would you like pigs in a blanket and back kind of thing but to me that was kind of boring. So then by the second event. That I was in I started to see the bigger picture and became more of like the traffic cop. So I'm like you know like visually like landing planes or serving drinks here, and it just made it a lot more fun. So you know from an early age I was like, okay I, think that there's something to this like I'm enjoying earning money. But. When I had just graduated college and I was twenty one I was just a few months out I just passed a CPA exam actually are just taking the exam hadn't found out I pass. And my father had a stroke and a just graduated. So I was like now hot to try and it was like boom. You know things just like my world stopped at that point my parents been divorced in early age I sister just started college. So I was the one that really. Stepped up and needed to help take care of him not to start this off on a sad note but that was my reality right and so I became family. CFO. Way Younger I would've wanted you know what? Twenty one and the thing was that because I had this you know accounting degree. I, think that it just kind of seemed like it made sense right like, oh, she'll just take over for it but I was vastly underprepared. You know. It prepares you college prepares you for like corporate accounting. It doesn't necessarily prepare you for like a mountain of bills that you're going to have to deal with when Your Dad's in the hospital along with all the emotional everything that goes back. And so over the next few years I kind of band dated things together and I had been on the road you know four or five days a week and I put that on hold for a little while while I was caring for him and then I was like, okay, let me pick back up my career like it feels like it's the same time to do that. It didn't put that. Now I have all of this extra financial back I had to take care of, and it was like Whoa you know what's going to give well, but gave me opening up the mail. So again, this is not the financial strategy that I recommend for everybody. But. I would say like a millennial problem. Same issue yeah. I was in my twenties about that fits right and. I would be on the road like Monday to Friday get home and I would have this huge of male waiting for me. Well, I got the point where I would find any spare basket table drawer that I could put it on because I was like Oh, my God I just can't deal like I have to go see my dad he was asking me all week. I. Have like wanted to see my friends and exercise may be do all those things. and. So then you can kind of start to see the pattern that was forming writers this disastrous like Rinse and repeat I would go back on the road Monday and come back Friday and I would just have more male. Well Pretty soon now like twenty eight and my sister very innocuously asked me one day like everything going can tell you really working hard in your business and like are you handling everything home I know that it's a lot she's a freshman now than it was in med school but she was like you know I know I can't really help but like how are you handling everything and it was in that moment that I had this this like okay I can't stop lying to myself. You know this moment of like what am I gonNa do when I was like you know what molest let me Let me get back from this trip. Let me get back to you on the answer that in terms of how things are really going and my dad was affected by the stroke wasn't going to be any use in handling all of his finances. So I come home from my trip on Friday night and they do one of the scariest things and if anybody listening here has piles of bills and male, you can kind of guess where this is going I pulled. On the Verge Ziegler I pulled all the bills of mail from all of the baskets, all of the jurors, all the counters, all tables whatever put them all on my dining room table. Now, all of a sudden I feel like I'm being stared down by not one not two but three huge acts of bills and mail that were literally as tall as I. Like, sitting at the table. So what happened next it wasn't that I was like Oh you let me go tackle that I started have a panic attack because that's what you do when you're down right three stacks of bills manner like holy crap wait. How did I get myself into it? and. So then I started to like stand up and pays aroun-. And my sister was right like it was a lot. I had eight bank accounts and Ford. Credit cards to properties. You could've added a partridge in a pear tree. But it was. It was a lot. and. So then the cells talk starts you know how? Like sometimes it's like our our own mind is our worst enemy. So then the self talks not like oh my gosh like how could I got myself into this? You know I was a star player at work but what happens if they find out about keeping an accounting right? I'm I'm like it a big firm and I. was like, what are they gonNA? Do if they find out about this and my heart started to be really facet of my dagga kicked out of the nursing home. If one of these bills is his bill for the nursing home or could he show but a doctor and the doctor not help him because I haven't paid the bill like all of this spiral started to get and then. At some point I was like, okay I just have stop and I just sat down and I took a depressed. And I've actually called US my come to Jesus moment, which is kind of finding some Jewish but. Where I was like, okay, I have a choice here. Either I can be the person that succeeds with numbers like I have been in other parts of my life right and I can be the person that can learn what needed to learn or I can just keep letting these bills pile up and then Lord knows what's going to happen and so that was his moment that now my company is called own your money and I think that that was really the first moment where I was like I can either own my money or my money is going to own me because that's really what it felt like. and. So then I asked for help I literally phoned a friend. And I called her up and I remember it was like she was like, are you okay and I was like, yeah, it's been a rough night and I just asked to come over and help me because I got into the point where it was so much that I couldn't even sit down and tackle it. You know sometimes when you just have a lot people are like, oh, divided up and start opening it was overwhelming to me. And it was it had flipped the switch that early on I was like, Oh, I'm great at earning money I love money to be like can't deal. Like couldn't write a check couldn't stop. She was willing to come over the weekend and she would open the mail and she would show. It's me and people here I don't know if you guys have ever been through this that have had let mail pile up yourself. You have to sort it so that you sorted by vendor because otherwise you don't know if you paid that bill before I would have like three or four bills from each person. Here's the sixth reminder that your payments do. Fun to read this. I. So. That's kind of what we do like main piles and then we look at it we decided we had to pay and. And then she came over like both days that we gangs at some point house anymore, and then came over the next weekend and we went from two days to just one day, and it actually took me six months to sort through all of that and to you. Because male keeps coming just for the record I, know there's all this craziness with the USPS, but it does it just keeps coming even when you decide I'm going to get through all of this backlog. So I I think the other is that I decided that I didn't just want band it again because that's what I had been doing ever since. My Dad had a stroke. It was just like oh like catch as catch can, and so I wanted to create a different money management system and I actually wanted to change my own mind about how I was going to look at the responsibility that I now had for my family and so took six months but I remember I was sitting at. Dinner. My Dad my sister one day and I can look them in the eye again were they hadn't realized the emotional impact that that shame was really having on me from not looking at it and from being an all that avoidance and so in six months, I had worked out my my money management I worked at my mindset and I just had so. Much, more relief and hope that like I could do this. You know the good news is that although I was quite had become quite the avoid I was also quite the saver. So you know we'll talk about like where you maxing out your 401k. Yeah. I was doing all those things because I was like well, least I'll have the money when emotionally. It, it'll be. there. and. In some ways we had it but for anyone who has parents who have gotten ill. A lot of more rules like social security needs a separate bank account and it was like all of these things needed to be handled in a certain way and it just had gotten too overwhelming. So good news though that was twenty eight than five years later by thirty three, I had actually become a self made millionaire and I honestly think that I wouldn't have been there. Yeah. If I hadn't have had that moment where I was like I can do and no one is GonNa come in and save me. You know I was single at the time and I think I was hoping I was gonNA marry the prince charming and he was just going to handle the money. But at that point I was like had just broken up with my ten year boyfriends like no, he's not saving me it's on me. So and no events demand you know who can handle. The money. That's awesome. But if you stop and look at it like women are actually really good at this, but is just that we don't take it on as much ourselves or we think, oh, they'll handle it. So things really started to change at twenty eight and then at thirty three, and then at fortunately that happened in time because then by thirty five, I had an early midlife crisis though you know it's like sometimes it happens at forty five or fifty, I'm kind of an overachiever. As, well as a financial geek about all those thirty five unlike the heck among the do with my life, you know and I had gotten in a job that I felt lake. I. Was checking my personality at the door. I. Know You know for many of your fire people were like I don't WanNa work in corporate in the same way that I did before you know that's kind of how I was feeling like I didn't have to work theoretically because we I purchased the property. around that eight year of twenty eight, really six to twelve months before that fifty moments and I was getting rental income from that. So if I wanted to release great back, I didn't have to work but I knew that I wanted to work and I had an impact to make in the world and so thirty, five, it all started you. Can we can we just quickly at least get the general gist of how you personally made the got to become self made millionaire you know like what was your relationship with money? Personally, it sounds like your maximum 401k, those types of things but could you give us a quick overview that sure so so is Max in the 401k I lived at home for the first few years. So let's let's. Back Up. So when I was in high school, I was work by I. Had that Alarm Company job I was a lifeguard pulled director is a good saver back then. So all started to help and I would invest that not significant labor kind of index funds and just let that grow. So that started early and then when I was in college I was also working so and I had Sometimes. This is an element of the conversation, but I was able to not have student loans from college which I know is also a big deal in this equation. So I had. Tell US fast but my father was a college professor so I could either go to his college or like a sister college or he was. So I made the decision to go to assist college now and it was Boston College. It was a great school. A part of that decision was had I not burden myself with hundred, two, hundred, thousand dollars of loans from school, and so I was able to save without the corresponding debt. that. So many people end up having right and that's why you really WANNA be proactive early on to make that decision and to really see. Kenai. That was part of my working in college was how I go through this without coming out of it with debt with a lot of credit card debt or other things like that. Calloway. At least work enough. So that I can pay for the things I WANNA do while I'm at college. then. I got an internship but she junior and senior year and then I went to work shortly thereafter in September like right out of college and so my dad know he really wanted us like become independent and so both pre stroke you're gonNA live here and you're gonna Pay Rent I could get used to paying rent so I left and then once he ended up having a stroke then I was like okay well, I'm managing the household and lots of other things you're my second job we're gonNA count that as the rep so I was able to a lot early on right that was part of it, and then I bought property in Boston I bought a two family home. So you know I had mentioned that I saved. So I had saved enough for solid down payment and then I bought a two families so that Family is at duplex you need like A. It's like a, it was three floors. My unit was the first two floors than I rented out the third floor got house. Act Love. Yeah. Totally still like right way back in two thousand. That's what I was doing. Yeah, and then I was like, okay well, this is actually a three bedroom I'm single. Let me rent out a bedroom. So I had a friend rent out a bedroom. These things I didn't have to do it, but I was traveling a lot anyway and I was like, let's maximize the resources that I have and I think sometimes, we all stopped to look around and say what resources do I have that I could be maximizing in some way, and so for me, it was a bedroom in the apartment you know and I not only was I renting out upstairs, but I also rented out one of the rooms and our apartment or my apartment. So then all of those things just kept talking away you're in me and I just kept saving and then the value of the real. Started to go up during that five years as well. So those were the key components was my investments and I believed in investing not just in the 401k like I was maxing that out but also have creating an investment account with what I was saving. That wasn't necessarily retirement money at the highest level. What would you say was your general savings rate during that period? Varies significant. So you know for the for the first few years when I was taking care of my dad that was my my personal life. So I didn't spend a lot now, and if I did I, I love adventure and I love travel. So every year I would take a big trip but I would like hostels and I would backpack around. Places like China and Africa and Russia, and crazy things like that. You know and had a great time. So I didn't feel like I was withholding from myself because I think that that's also really important that when you're a saver, you WanNa, make sure that you're not in the scarcity like, oh, I can't spend. It was just that I was choosing to spend on the things that I really valued and particularly the experiences that I really wanted and so. I don't know probably be like. You, know for the first couple of years maybe like seventy percent I mean it was a lot. I wasn't paying rent I was living at home I paid off a car you know and then when I moved into the city, I wanted that experience in New York but I got a rent controlled apartment raid, and so a lot of it is is not just what can you do but it's what he wanted to write and how does it really fuel the future? Though it was significant I'd tell her to back down probably more like twenty thirty percent maybe. Okay. Awesome. So all right. So you get to this point and that makes perfect sense. You just you know it reminds me a lot of Kylie what Craig Curl up is doing. If you've if you've ever heard of history, he's book on House Hacking for for bigger pockets here and anyway. So he is a very similar I think approach mindset to money that you you demonstrated during that period. So you've moved to thirty, three, thirty, five, you're financially independent millionaire self made millionaires. I didn't I didn't think of it as this big deal 'cause it's like it kind of comes and goes no one's there would like the fan fair like, Oh look. You're not learning across the million dollars. Now that doesn't really happen in real life just. So everybody knows you. You're just sitting there letting your spreadsheet and you're like look what I did. Think that that's part of it and I would save from my job ray but then it was also that I would have the net positive cash flow from the house and I would also say that. So I think that was also part of my vote savings rate the time But yes. Okay. So we're here at thirty, three, thirty, five. Yeah. You, have a question or do you want me to? Pick up the story. What changes we know it sounds like this is a that there was a milestone or next component to your career at that starts at this point. Right. So part one was all about it was in a corporate job and it's so interesting because it's like we think that we're going to have such financial stability right when we're in corporate but I left, I was in two jobs while I was incorporate was with Arthur Andersen, which at the time was like the premier accounting firm until Enron happened, and then we all got laid off like universally rates. It wasn't a personal thing but was able to get a new role then as corporate controller actually, it was just called control at the time and then we kind of. I didn't like between us. I didn't like controller on a business card, which is pretty terrible. If you're ever dating by the way to hand man a card that says controller don't recommend. Elevated myself to corporate controller and so then. Comptroller. Understand that is I didn't even understand what that. So so I called myself a corporate controller said, it somehow somehow took off the edge, but you know and and again you know all along the way was about it was about owning my own value rates. So even when I laughed Arthur Andersen and I went to go work for. It was a Elton communications at the time we made x ray screening machines post nine eleven. So it was very. Big Time to has to be starting there and I myself like from. Nine to one, hundred, thirty, grand or something plus signing bonuses 'cause I was like, Hey, just because like I'm not a victim to the situation, I can make the most of it. So I had three four different offers I sorta against each other and I was like Oh. This one has a signing bonus and this one has stock options and I just roll them all up into the one that I wanted to go to and I think that that's something for people to realize especially early on is that your income compounds on each other? Rates. So it's like if I hadn't negotiated that at the time, it's a lot harder to negotiate anything. Once you're in a job than when you're starting job rate. So any ocean that were there for three and a half years and then post nine eleven we ramped up significantly but then a few years later once we had staffed up all of the airports all around the world, then we started to restructure down. And took a nice package at that in two thousand and six it was, and then I backpack around India because at that point ahead. Still. Had that love of adventure that I went Indiana basically lived eat pray love you guys remember that like before it was a book and a movie and so I went back factor in India and I went to Israel for a couple of weeks I volunteered in Costa Rica for this underprivileged teen program there by the way I didn't speak any Spanish. So I crashed course myself in Spanish for three weeks, and then I was sitting there in the in the outdoor classroom with the kids and that was that early midlife crisis I was like what I wanna do is my life like it had. Started, looking for a job anyway, Kinda, see the writing on the wall and it just got really miserable. So I, something to jump in here with what year ish did you do you think you were that achieved that millionaire status that were? When I was thirty three. So like two, thousand, four. Okay and so and so the next couple of years, it sounds like your career is going even better and you're kind of like really padding that net worth pretty thoroughly and and that's the point at which you have this this moment it sounds like where you begin to think about the next the next what you want to do next and before we hear about that, how much do you think that your financial position that millionaire status plus? Plenty I guess influence your ability to kind of begin thinking like that or have that that revelation so that. It's a really good question I. It did actually free me up. So I took off about a year and a half. At that time frame and at first overachiever in me thought, Oh, I should just go right back and get a job because that's what we do and then I took this that back and I was like, well, why have I been saving all this money? If not to give myself choices and options and you know and and decide what is it that I wanted to do. So it's a great question to really. Have, that ability to take a step back and say we'll do I. WanNa. Volunteer. You know do I like what do I want to be the next step? It didn't feel like I had to. Go in a certain direction that was the prescribed way to go for a CPA with a six figure job and that kind of thing. Right so I think it did give me a lot more options and a lot more spacious nece. Mate because I literally, three weeks of the day from getting laid off I was on the plane to India. which is on the easiest thing to arrange because you have to get visas and. Shots and all this other stuff. But I had this urgency that I put on myself right? I'm like, Oh, I, got a I want to go and I'm going to take this trip and then I'm going to come back and then I'm going to get a job. So wasn't more than like three months and then when I was away and I don't know if you've ever been in the anyone listening I've been in yet it's world it's life changing. and. He does really see how people live and what you really need and what you don't need like i. came home I gave away a third of my stuff. I remember my accountants, all of my donation receipts in there like what have you been doing this year? Like, hippy or something and I'm like, no I. Just I would see how much I, know. Mike my vary you know my mail older dad figure to me he's like what's going on you know and I know it's crazy. But like I don't. Know I don't need. You know and I wasn't a huge spender. So my dad was much more of a order like a retail therapy Kinda guy. and. After he had had the stroke I I lived through. Getting rid of all of that. You know and so for some of us who like accumulate stuff, he was the type that will give you had a bad day stop off on his home by a tie. And we had hundreds of Thais we had to get rid like four, hundred, thirty, six ties like I'm not joking here right and so when when you have somebody in your family when you have to live through the emotion of getting rid of so much staff, it takes away a lot of fun of buying stuff. And you're like, it's just going to accumulate I'm just GONNA, deal with it and so then on. He Mike. Mindy and I was like seeing how simply some people lived actually wrote a book shortly thereafter called self worth to network and I told a bunch of stories and they're like one tour guide he you know invited us back to his quote house, which was the size of a bathroom in the United States. He had like bunk beds basically where you can imagine like a bathtub like you lived with somebody else in this tiny tiny space view is one of the most people I've ever met in my whole life. You know and so I just came home and I gave away a lot of stuff and I was like you know what? What do I want this next phase of my life to be. And how can I use what I've worked so hard to accumulate to help support me during this time. We'll have a quick follow up question on all that. So this you know that money situation with the surplus that you created for yourself and the optionality to tell you to think like this, how how could someone who's listening and who says you know I i. kind of I'm doing some of the same things and I think I'm going to be in a similarly strong position relatively early in life. How do I accelerate that moment by a few years or few you know what? What are some? Do you have any any ways to answer that question? Shore. So you know you kind of reach this place like financial freedom right when you're passive income or that the money coming in right exceeds the money that you need to spend while if you want to accelerated. The amount of spending. Or you offset the expenses so like that's when I was like, okay we're going to have a roommate like I even consider getting a second remain. Or like starting to get creative in that timeframe because. Well. If I just spend less, my money will go further. Right, and I was dawn unemployment and I'm GonNa, shut it off when I was going on all these trips but essentially had unemployment running a little while I got in a severance package and I think that it's really looking at how do I tame in my spending in a way that feels good inappropriate for myself right? It doesn't. Wasn't eating Rama noodles every night but at the same time like when. When Christmas. Came on the holidays came that year I didn't go out and spend like maybe I normally would have spent right i. just got creative instead so and maybe some people call is Kinda It was a great money saving thousands. Is Right there. Yeah. But But that I took the pictures from all of these travels had just gone on. I took some of the best pictures I like a little. Back in the day with cameras like you know an. It's like. To be having this conversation wasn't that long ago guys. Bud Philly, what was it like fourteen years ago but we actually use real cameras, not just our phone. So I took some really good pictures and so I made note cards right and so I had I designed ten different note cards and I would do packages, of note, cards for people, and then that way like they got to experience some of what I got to see when I was traveling and I wasn't spending hundreds or thousand dollars on gifts I was getting creative instead and I was doing more thoughtful experiences together and so. The key thing is that you let go of the I need to keep up with the Joneses need to keep up with somebody else and really look at your own things that really matter to you and look at how can I make money go further and how can I Maybe. Leverage my resources in a way that I haven't done before. Thank you and the shared economy really plays into that I think when people will do to use their car for instance rate or rent out a room with an airbnb or something like that. So yeah. All right. So next question, what did you decide to do after you had your you know your? Keep using the hippie moment wherever you. What what what what was the next thing they're for you? Okay let's see. I. Don't think I've ever done this if I guess it's kind of fun. Okay. So then now we did Costa Rica I ended up actually buying real estate and Costa Rica while I was there, I told you I like a real estate and so I bought a mountain in Costa Rica and then I bought a little spot on the beach and kind of got that thing going there. And then I came back and I actually almost went into non-profits cause i. have a real like. Oh, I say generous side and very like heart centered and soy like how can I help the world with my accounting background? So then almost totally did a flip end started to look into nonprofits and then I started to get to it was actually just the same corporate job. It just was paying less and it was a different kind of environment with a few more struggles I i. don't think this is really going to achieve what I want and was networking with everybody made. If you guys can ever remember the the mini of gets I don't know Scott you kids remember your. Kids but the book called are you my mother? That's kind of how I felt like everybody everybody that I would go and meet with I'd be like are you my mother like could I do what you do and I was just curious I was just open to whatever it was going to be because I at this point now where about nine months in and I let go of going back and getting a job right away because I was like I don't need to do that like I've set myself up so that I can make it work with the rental income with the. Other Room I was renting with a bit of unemployment that was last and then actually I did get a job. to supplemented because I didn't want to put myself into debt and feel like I was. Like squashing all the hard work that I had just been doing. So actually got a job at the SEC as a forensic accountant which sounds a lot more glamorous like it sounds like. The or something, but it wasn't all that exciting piles of papers of like work papers that I had to sort through and find the fraud, which is Kinda cool. But not already had that experience not the front part but the storm. Came in Handy. Have a panic attack when they put it in front of me, 'cause it's not yours. Your problem. Well. I wasn't responsible for to the same kind of way. So. So, we did get a job along the way to kind of give myself a little bit more time to figure it out. And I made sure that that job kind of let me do this networking this informational interviewing and I was doing, and then I started to meet with some financial advisers and they're like Oh, maybe you can do what we do. Right? You're a woman and you're very personable and you've got math numbers and like you'll be like meeting people but then I was like, okay, let me think about this. So then I started going talk to my friends and my family and my network. I was like what if I became a financial adviser and it had about the same effect as an auditor when used as He's landed with that kind of a thud right except that they would almost like grip their purses and be like Joe God. Do you need life insurance? You Open with the something like that. That's what they thought was gonNA come out of my mouth nags, right? So they were like. No no, we're good. Thank you. You know and I was hold on it I haven't taken this job yet I, just WanNa understand like what are your challenges with money and when I started to talk to the more. I. Found Myself connecting more with the emotional challenges that were. Right with why weren't they able to save and what was going on? I think like in a former life I must have been a therapist or something because I'm like such a listener and it's like I'm like a confessional for people and so then that's what I found much more interesting. So not like a doctor like an adviser that it gives a prescription and asset allocation and sends you on your way I wanted. To be more of like the financial nurse or even that's therapist that would help you figure out like what's really going on with you and money, and why is it that you're really struggling as much as you are with saving given the income that you're making. So I turned down the financial advising jobs, and then thereafter I was sitting in a workshop. One of these three days like get your millionaire mind on kind of thing you know everyone's like standing up and who hollering and I'm like. This is interesting and so odd because at one point I looked back at my notes from my attending this first event and I wrote down the strangest things like I wrote down how they did exercises the times they took breaks. It was almost like a part of me thought that maybe I could lead a workshop not quite as hippy or Hoagy, that one may be was but that maybe there was going to be something to this and I remember I had told my friend you know I didn't I turn on the Financial. Advising jobs but it's almost like a financial coach that I could see myself being and so then at Sunday of this event and they're handing out these like half an hour sessions with a success coach and it was in that moment, I was like boom. That's it. I can be a financial coach. There's something to this and so I started taking my business cards which when you're in transition, Your Business Card just has like your name and your email and your phone and I started writing on it personal financial trainor. Trainer for you and your money or personal financial coach and. Our free call me I was literally scribbling like mad while they're handing out these cards of his workshop and I was like this is what I can do like. I can help people always like that big sister like that friend that you come to when you're having trouble with money or you're trying to sort it out. Like you can even get paid for this like Bowie be amazing and that was the moment when in May two, thousand, seven, it was like a year and. Four months later after he got laid off. Now was like this is what I think I'm going to do like could it could make it work and then I am a total students than I was invited to do a branding workshop and it was in that workshop was like. Twelve S and we had to come up with our mission like if we were to do our own company, what would it be? Remember standing up and I. I declared this at the time and I had no idea what was going to come from this now or thirteen years later, and it was to inspire ownership and action for financial success to the doors and create a truly rich life for you and for me and for the world. And that was where it all began and a few months later, owner money was born. A two am when I call, go daddy and came up with the name. That was really where I was like I. Don't need corporate like, F. That job you know I, I really wanted to go and. Forge, my own path he mind this was two thousand and seven, and so on. My friends and family were very nervous and very skeptical about this working. But I tell you that when everything started crashing in two, thousand and eight. I became very popular. Though I was then like on the five o'clock news for NBC locally because I at least could help people handle the financial stress and make a plan for what they need to do with their money. That was going to be the thing that I said was, hey, I remember two, thousand, seven, I remember two, thousand, eight. The came right after two, thousand seven. How did this work out I? Mean I know spoiler it worked out great. I know it worked out great but. So people then came to you. Wanting help with their finances. That's interesting. Because I would think that if if I'm having financial trouble, I wouldn't go and spend money trying to figure out my finances. How do you? How do you reconcile that That was absolutely a challenge? Talking about asking for money and this emotional thing and the first thing when you said that I thought, you know there's a lot of women in particular but entrepreneurs in general have a hard time asking for the money that they are. Do you know I sent you an invoice and you didn't pay it I can send you another invoice in. You don't pay it again, get the money that you owe me. So. Yeah. So there's absolutely the answer, right but is a great question. There's two elements of that. So the first one is you know how do you work people through paying something or investing in a course or a membership or whatever right to fix the problem when they already feel broke and I actually figured out that I didn't have to market to broke people because I started out doing that I was like, oh, people don't have money like let me help them get money but they didn't even feel like they have money. To invest with me. So then I figured out, well, they're all these people that are actually making good money. So on the surface, they could be saving something right and but they're not and so why is that? So then when I can start to have them, see how much money they were really leaving on the table and the impact that that was having to them right now, and for the next ten, twenty, thirty years if they didn't do something about it right now then they started to open their ears and listen more. Than second piece though that you touched on and that first piece applies whether your job, you know in a corporate job of professional stay at home and handling the finances like that's still a hurdle that I have to. Kinda. Talk people through is to really see the ROI on making an investment like this. But what would happen is that I started immediately just coaching anybody and everybody that wanted my advice that I get some good stories and be like Oh look help this person save an extra eight, hundred dollars a month help this person save an extra five hundred on this person save a thousand dollars a month because that's the amazingness rate. If you can figure out what's leaking in somebody's budget right in where they're spending you know sometimes you talking about like. Spending right. There's a lot of unconscious spending so I created A. Seat that essentially would highlight the unconscious spending people and they're like, oh Like that's what's going on, and so then once they could start to see. Oh well, maybe you can help me find five, hundred, thousand dollars because that's pretty much what we would end up doing a regular basis. And I think I actually still have that worksheet I'll get you guys doing for that to include that. Then there, can see how it pays for itself. Now, the other piece though that you touched on is is a whole nother. Right around you know why do we is entrepreneurs have such a challenge in asking for money particularly money that's due to us. Ray because the example that you just gave mindy like like. The one you entrepreneur you did the work and you provide an invoice and they're the ones that are choosing not to pay, and so a lot of really learning how to own money and to become unapologetic around money in your business is taking the emotion out of it. So it's coming to terms with the emotion, right recognizing that mindset piece for yourself but then recognizing that that doesn't have to rule a show. And I think that when it does take things personally and you don't make that follow up, call you start to self sabotage yourself. You're don't call for the invoices do and said I just really say like, Hey, you did the work, right? So you just call it. Her factory. Or better strategy take money up front. Like have their credit card set up the payment structure, be like, okay. I'll run X dollars at the beginning around Y dollars when I deliver it. You know and you just have to. Like get to that point where You don't have to tie somebody's else's delay on your own value. Because they're very distinct. You have no idea what's going on for that other person and in their personal life and their business that's having them ignore your invoice. It could just be that they're away. They're not paying attention maybe they're avoiding money like I used to do. Like a lot of compassion right now, I'm such a non judgmental person about people's money south because I have had some pretty tough stories. You know some some tough shame and guilt, but I've lived with. And to get to that point where it's like you, you consciously choose the people that you work with and that you sat up payment structures that will work for you right and that you don't have to feel bad for the work that you did. But that you actually set up a good structure to make sure that you're getting paid for the value of your services don't say peed what your worse because I feel like you know you're worth so much more than the two hundred dollars five thousand dollars someone's paying you or more ten thousand dollars even they're paying you but that it's you're charging for the value of the services that you're delivering period. You don't get to take that personally. Alright. Hope you're enjoying the show. We'll be right back after a word from today's show sponsor. Real estate investing known for a lot of things mainly making us lead group of people a lot of money but being an online cutting edge experience is usually not one of its hallmarks well, along the case, fundraise is the future of real estate investing their revolutionary model is transforming the industry. Thanks to software that cuts out costly middleman and old market inefficiencies. fundraise delivers the kind of investing power. 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You had this sizable physician what was it like? How would you describe the process your business gaining traction over that year? However, how many years or how many months did it take? Would you would you arctic what you say to get that going sure I started in this? I kind of in like August I had a lot of trouble finding name because when you find a name, you compete with everybody around the world. So I was like, God it's coming Australia's the name I really wanted like I'd paid isn't pages of notes when age as an incorporated with my name, which at the time I'll spell this out for us yet regular it was Belinda Fuchs F. U. C., H. S I do not suggest ever starting a company with that name because of the very challenging for lots of. Reasons right. Oh Man is right right. I'm not going to let anything get in my way. So I started it and invoicing was initiative right? Exactly. I mean. I. I've been teased in fourth grade so I'm. Aren't balances off now fortunately I got married announced Belinda. Rosenblum right but. Then like a month later, I came up with this idea of own your money literally a two in the morning. I. Call Go Daddy I want this domain and a back ordered it, and then it took like three or four days and checked and I was like Gosh I really WanNa Really WanNa ono is it was sold like crap and ongoing check and then it was sold to me so he had never notified me but. I did actually get the domain that I really wanted, and so then in December I launched my first workshop and it had all of these grand intentions. So if you have some newer entrepreneurs, they're like, Oh, I'm just going to be a success rate from the beginning it's not gonNA take me three years make money I'm GonNa do a two day workshop. Well, I decided to do a two day workshop right out of the gates. and. This was like before coaching and you know now like business coaching is all the rage it wasn't really happening back in two thousand seven and I remember renting a space at the John Hancock Center in Boston, for like a hundred twenty people, I like big plans right first workshop. While everything weeks, I would have to go back to this place and shrink the size of the room that I would get because it would be like three weeks closer to the date and I have two people registered or people registered right. So it took a little while to get off the ground I two day workshop had twelve people in it. But even told people to learn a lot I can tell you. But the other thing is that I was willing to make offers to them. Sometimes, it's like it's not the size of your audience per se it's really the value they're delivering. So I like poured so much into them they learn allow there and then I was like okay so I made an offer private coaching with me and then I made an offer of a lower cost ongoing membership with me so those I'd say Nine of the twelve people the other three were like my best friend and her husband. Everybody Bob some I don't think they felt bad. I think they were actually really excited to get their money together and I'm. So that's really what started a few things but it was a little rough going in two thousand and eight ending we made like sixty grand and then So he did start to make money amidst the you know economy crashing and then doesn't nine on we now making one, hundred, fifty, five grand. But this is a really important point branch north especially starting up. I focused on revenue. Everyone's like just make money like just go make sales, and so I had hired a bunch of team and I had like a va and now you can have a website for so much cheaper and you can make updates to the website yourself back then again dating myself a little bit but back in two thousand seven. I, think there was a wordpress it was like in PHP and I had to have somebody go in and make updates and I was doing a lot of my own workshops and a lot of speaking and. A lot of things that I wanted my website updated. I was doing a lot of press like every week. I would have another like in Yahoo Finance this week Saturday evening post I was like, oh, all that stuff has to be my website just tell me the credibility, but it cost me a ton of money. So grossed one, hundred, fifty, five, thousand dollars in my second full year business I profited any guesses. Dollars seven dollars. Oh read thousand dollars. That's a ton of a ton of work to do coming from a six year job to net three right and I wasn't mixing personal finance. You know obviously figured out like in your one separate business and personal finance site of Business Bank account that was all business expenses and yeah I mean maybe put through my phone bill like pretty much all business. So like something has to change like I can't just follow these business groups that are just focused on making more money right and then I was like, okay wait a second time out here I know what it's like to manage my personal finances from the. Conversation around. Hacking and taking care of that I need to put that kind of attention to my business finances now too and my business expenses. So then I was like okay. Time. Out What can I change your? How do I change my business model? So I significantly reduced my assistant because my sister was making a lot more than I was and that wasn't going to have that for a second year in a row. So I significantly reduce my expenses I batch lot more things streamlined a lot more things and I hired another coach to work under me. And my business so that then all of a sudden I can make money on her I'm nauseous expecting myself to make money on my own time with clients, and so that was great. So then the next year we gross two hundred and fifty, five, thousand dollars and we profited ninety six rates almost one hundred thousand dollars more profit with that hundred thousand dollars more of income because I. Reshaped the business model to make it work. Much more successfully. Does that help for the first three Awesome. Yeah. So so you it sounds like you'd be you went from controller to certain extent and stay person to CFO that year you know and rebuilding the business model and building those things out. So that's that's fascinating. Around that and the. The revenue verses, expenses, and income, and those types of things in the early years. So what happens in years following that go from three to ninety six to you you continue to grow from there on out generally generally yes. what part of to is really making sure that the business you're creating as aligning with the life that you want as I think that you know especially in the first few years when I was single I was willing to do all the things like I would be on the news at five forty in the morning 'cause they asked now. So like okay, you know literally the day before and they don't necessarily give you a lot of warning. The day was on the five o'clock news. They called me at two o'clock that afternoon. We'll be over I, was like, okay, you know and so I was doing all the things and then I think there came a point where I was like, okay. Wait a second we're doing well enough in the business I. Really WanNa make sure that I'm having the lights that I walked rape because then it wasn't just about the business and then I got married in March twenty eleven, which is big deal and then I was on my bucket list. So to speak that, I really wanted to make heaven and I really WanNa family and so now for now, thirty nine and my biological block was ticking. Got, you can't necessarily appreciate this part, but you have to go with me here and. Many laughing. And I say that part you're going to read you that part and I was like okay. So now the business is kind of rolling right but I think I had this fear of you know my business was so centric on me I was doing a lot of speaking I was traveling the country doings began actually had a TV show in the Boston area show and it was intense and there's a part of me that was like. Okay wait a second. Can I really keep this up and have the family that I? Want and kind of like I had that moment back when I left my job that I was like, what am I accumulated for if not to live the life I want that was kind of the the moment I had now to say, okay, wait time out. If I have to I have to rework this job because we're actually having trouble getting pregnant and I was like, okay I think that I'm just too stressed out. But I think that I can't envision how I could do the business the way the business was going and be able to maintain a family and a baby and all the things and big picture of the family was more important to me like no matter how much I cared about the work I was doing the business I had created, and now we were in multi six figures, and so then I took a step back in two thousand twelve hired a business coach finally and I was like, okay I need a business that will sustain me through a family and allow me to work less. And so I started creating products in programs in two thousand twelve right so that it wasn't so much like time for dollars like as a coaching programs in speaking and stuff. So I created I kinda laid out. These are the three programs that I want to have that I want to sell and so in February I launched a five week program and I delivered in March that I launched another one in April and I published the book in June. Then I am a gallbladder out August early Carolina then in September. You have house in life happening in between then temporary created another the third of those by week programs one now keep in mind didn't have a lot of people in these programs, but that didn't matter what I was committed to was creating a product that I could sell and start to leverage my time more. At all this, you do the thing once and you record it or you write down or whatever, and then you sell that thing multiple times. Totally. LOSURE here I believed way back before it was popular like it is now in the monetize before you make like I had a page where you could buy I, had an outline on the page that was all I had when these people signed up. For everyone that's like I don't know what I would you know. I don't have all the course mapped out and I don't have everything prerecorded. Don't worry it like what's most important is that you have a transformation that you WANNA create for people and that's what I had. I had a decision I was like okay. So I did want on making money easy making money flow and Wasn't making many grow almost. see that this gives me anxiety diety to have the deadline where everybody is waiting for your thing, and then now you have to go and get it, I would want to do it before that. But so how? Could but the other one was making money joyful actually because I decided that people need to find more fun in their money right they needed to let go of that avoidance and so that's why I created. Yeah. Here's why that approach is so smart by the way if people listening right. So you put up a page and you're going to have the product or the five week course built it. All right crash. So one one of two things is probably GONNA APP right one is nobody's going to buy it at all. I don't need to create which means you'll have to actually spend time builder product. The second is that a lot of people are GONNA to buy. You'd be like Oh crap I have link lots of people buying this now you know that like, yes. Now I'm GonNa work a hundred hours a week for the next five weeks to actually deliver this product bit by bit to them all and make it really good and and actually deliver on the value prop. I. Promise Right. And work with that and look if you don't you refund some of the users but you know that the next time you market your product, you can have a lot of interest because value prop works right so it's just like a much lower risk way of scaling, relaunching a business than in making that investment up front, and then seeing if it will work at the end, it's just A. It's just a dramatically better risk profile. So that's something that we we like to encourage sure we like to say, Hey, we'll. We'll take some users and ask, would you like this product Great Vin we build the product. It's everybody yeah. You can even softball out there like, Hey, I'm thinking about creating this like is this something you'd be interested in. And I did a big survey to figure out what did people really want and what did they think they're challenge was and what came up across the board is that they felt like they needed some help making more money in all had a different theme and I only twenty people in each one like it's not like they had hundreds of people but it honestly, it didn't matter and this was back in the day where it was there was. No zoom there's no video even just did it on Tele seminars if you can remember that rate. So it just beyond like a phone line audio in at the time I thought that I was going to rerecord everything. So I was like, okay this is just for me to outline I work well under deadline many people probably do right like you. You get stuff done when you know you're going to be showing up for class for twenty people so. I had the outline and I would just flush it out every week and I would teach it live on this audio, and then I thought that once I was done I was GonNa make it more form right I was GonNa make it prettier made maybe record videos and whatever but the reality was that had twenty people I one twenty. One hundred sixty five by the third one because now I figured out the marketing almonds figured out what did people really want and figured out still yet marketing figured out like how do I have other people start to promote when I'm doing okay. So then that last one launched in September had a lot of momentum from that hundred people and then I launched a six month group program on the. Back end in November so I would start to create some recurring income for myself. I'm a big fan of how do you create consistent income in your business and then in December no joke here at Tony Robbins date with destiny I find out that I'm pregnant and take pregnancy and Lo, and behold my destiny is I'm going to be a mom and that was December of that year of twelve. Twenty thirteen and my first baby. So Ben, I was like I don't have time to go pretty these programs up I'm just going to package them up and sell them. That's what I started doing. So then thirteen had a baby or check pregnant again, fifty nine baby, and for that three years, my primary income was doing affiliate collaborations selling these programs as the big thing for me was just having a product. That I know worked raid that created good stories. So I had people went through them. That's the other reason why I love doing this like Beta or pilot or monetize before you make it is that you get real people that have done the program that can give you stories of their results. Then you can feel more confident about it and then more people buying can feel more confident about it too, and if you don't get enough stories that you do it again and I often encourage my students to do to sell at half price the first time with the. Understanding that, they are going to be giving you feedback along the way that they're really gonNA do their best to show up live so that it's the best experience and to take action, and then I mean that really makes a difference and then I did personal finance for basically the first twelve years of my business was was selling these programs was done having kids by fifteen thousand fifteen than launched a membership in two, thousand sixteen, and then really works that membership for a while I was like people want to make money great I can help you there but then By nineteen not enough anyone has ever had this challenge I got a little bored with telling people. The same thing I've been telling them for twelve years now and. You know there comes a point where it's like, okay. Make more money and they're like, well, I'm in a job. What do you want me to do i? Guess you can get a promotion you can get a raise. You can leave your job like I was running out of options but with my entrepreneur clients, boob, there was so much that I could do I think that for entrepreneurs. You know for for even if you're doing a side hustle like you have an unlimited amount of money that you can make, you get to decide how much money you make. Yes. You have to ask for it as we talked about, it doesn't magically deposit account anymore, but you just have a lot more possibilities. So in January nineteen I was sitting in a more of a business coaching workshop. People were talking about their with their business money and making money in. That was the moment that I had the epiphany there that I was like like it was physically painting me to sit in that room and hear their struggles and their fears and how they were holding themselves back. So then January twenty nineteen I decided to keep the personal finance arm but really pivot and grow the business arm, and so that's really more of what What, we've now to order the last year's. Also fears I guess year and a half. Like years. So now it's about growing a strategic profitable business. Oh, people can work last profit more and really take home real money. Consistently as I think that you know a lot of entrepreneurs are in a lot of feast and famine and they never learn how to make consistent money and how to pay themselves consistently There's something powerful to me about the concept of Hey, I have a good job. I control my money I spend relatively early increase my savings rate I build a stable financial position over time to that million arrange that lean Fi. Note the cool kids call caught now, and then you've you've got entrepreneurship as that next step there to go after, and that's you know the answer is to increase man committed job while. You know once he gets to certain points. That's that's kind of it. Right? You know you're stepping stones and how that's GonNa look on and so it inevitably has to be entrepreneurship if you really want to scale that income some my my question is kind of parallels earlier question I asked for you as. You know I think with entrepreneurship. There are dif- different people are comfortable taken that leap in different positions you you are comfortable with that after being a millionaire plus up right. Some people are comfortable with doing that with basically nothing going out you know even with bad debt or different situations. How do your clients think about taking the leap away from a job and into entrepreneurship and how does their personal financial position impact their comfort level with making that leap So before I have people make that leap I want. This is why we haven't ditched the personal finance arm because we all have bank accounts, right we all still need to be responsible and own our money around our personal finances too, and so it's like the first step is actually looking your personal finances to figure out. Okay. What do you need to be earning every month? Right and how do you either start your sock away a cushion or how do you may be start to? A Taylor down the income from your job while you're ramping business, you know I'm not necessarily the like burn all the ships you know. Whatever the phrases I'm forgetting right now but you know it's like that when you're heading out, it doesn't mean that you have to abandon everything that's worked before right it's like, Hey, if you're in a job start to figure out what could I do put it out there hey, if I were to do this, would you buy? Right into start to think of it as a side Hustle, and then you start to think about, okay. How could I make this side hustle more permanent for myself and really think about what would I need to earn so I help people to reverse engineer the revenue that they need to be making in their business based on what they want to be able to take home personally. Rape, profit and revenue. They don't have to be happy accidents. You can actually be more strategic about the money that you wanna be making so that you can pay yourself on a regular basis. So I think the part of that is understanding your own personal finances, understanding the elements that you could do without if you wanted to for some short period of time while you're growing your business. Right so that then you can say, okay well, right now I live on, you know thirty, five, hundred dollars a month. But if I decide to do this this business I think I could do with three thousand just ninety doubt as much or you know I won't buy coffee I'll just be home Zalmay coffee for myself and you just start to look at it and say what what I wanna take home, and then you literally just divide that by one minus point seven right If you had like a thirty percent tax rate, our point, two five, depending on how much you're making this for round numbers. So let's say you WANNA take on three thousand dollars divided by point seven five and you're like, okay I need my business to net net profit for thousand dollars minimum. Then you keep going and you say, okay, well, I'm GonNa have some business expenses got to add those on I probably need a coach 'cause Lord knows it's a lot harder than looks. Like stabbed alert and there's no shame and learning I think sometimes we think oh gosh, I have to buy chorus and I do it myself. You could do it yourself. I am a fan of shortening you're learning curve and just getting help to do it with personal finance side the business side Absolutely we money a lot faster because I figured out. Okay. If I hire a coach get there a lot faster, I'll charge more. Sometimes it's about having. People who believe in you before you can believe in you right in the kind of reflect back hey, wait a second. You're really good at this go charge more for this and by week to. Almost everybody raises the rates. Because it's called own your value right and it's like wait a second. Why? Why are you charging what you're charging like look at the transformation you're creating. So then once you figure out okay I. WanNa have maybe two thousand dollars for my business expenses and it's like okay. So how do I make six thousand dollars? Like. If that's going to be my minimum goal and you just start to reverse engineer, how could I make fat? But I do one thing and six thousand dollars. Could I do two things at three thousand dollars every month that I do six things at one thousand dollars you know and just to take away the mystery of it and just say it's math like how do I what I want to sell? Right what what could I sell? You know if someone's paying me three thousand dollars, what are all the things that I can do for them? You know, can I talk to them every? We could I you I think of it in different levels like. Diy where the person is doing it and you're just teaching them how to do it. There's with them and then do it for them rates. So there's so many different opportunities of how people can make money actually have a a Freebie we just created called five simple ways to create consistent income because I think that that element is a mistake that a lot of people may the business because they're passionate about it and they don't actually think through how could I make money? I'm not talking about a forty two page business plan I'm talking about a very straightforward how am I gonNa make money this business. It sounds like there's business that business finance is a lot like personal finance. I. Love that you recommend starting while you still have a job I. think that a lot of people are like I hate my job so much I'm going to quit and start my own company and Yes you might hate your job. We've all been in there and you know I hate my job so much I want to quit instantly. But when you take that away, there's your safety net. That's that's helping you stay afloat while you start your business because I know that I have been corrected several times ninety, five percent of all small businesses fail the first two years it's a lot though several people have cracked to be. That's not the actual quote but there's a lot of small businesses that fail in the first year of it is honestly just a really stupid idea that nobody is ever going to buy and they do that but. That's not wrong but others are just you started wrong. You. Didn't start it correctly. So make mistakes while you still have money coming in as opposed to all your eggs in one basket, and then you drop the basket. Right. I totally agree with that and the other thing that people don't realize is that you bring a lot of desperation to the offers that you're making when you absolutely need those dollars like to eat. So I mentioned along the way that like I got that job at the SEC I probably could have started to pull down my savings but I wanted to actually fund the thing I was going to go and do. Right and find my personal expenses. So I didn't have to put so much pressure on the business to make money right away and I think that that's really important and yeah. Few stats that I think are interesting to your point. So sixty percents of businesses. are break even or lose money only forty percent are actually profitable. So all of those like unintentional, nonprofits. It's up to you to figure out how can I actually make money because if you look at why businesses fail eighty, two percent of businesses fail because of cash flow problems. Rate it's because they are not understanding the money's side of their business. They're not really understanding how can make this business sustainable. So I totally agree that it makes sense to really take a step back and look at how can I make the money in this business and how can I maybe transition so that I'm still making some job money but I'm starting to ramp up and actually heard a stat even like if you. Can make thirty percent of what you need. When you're only working part time. If you go and you work fulltime, you should be able to ramp up. But absolutely thing that you should have a cushion going into doing that you know of three to six months of your expenses and talk about that most people don't do it. But if you're GONNA go start your own business absolutely would like to see some sort of Christner. Yes. There could not agree more. Amen. Yeah. Okay. This has been super super helpful I. If you're thinking about starting a business, this is going to really help people get on the on the path to that entrepreneurship. I think that you've given our listeners a lot of things to talk about. Is there anything else you want to add before we move onto our financial scan? Thank you all for having me on but. Even I feel like there's this element of I don't want people to wait. Right like I don't want you to wait to start the business and like Oh when I have more saved when I when this when I know that there's no good time. Necessarily, you know if you have an idea and you're passionate about star, put it out there right and start to see like what could I do to make this work in a way that the people could start to pay me in a way that I could start to make money from it and when I talk about those five ways, it's things like you know how can you restructure how you're making money? How can you remark at your network repackage? Had he resale heady repurpose and really look at your expertise as valuable? And as something that people would pay for and I think that sometimes because we're we enjoy it or because we're good at it, we discount the value that it's providing and I don't want our listeners today to be doing that I want you to really get that people can get a transformation from what you know. Don't be selfish and do them a disservice by holding back instead we really WANNA. See I really WANNA. See you put it out there. That's brilliant. Because yeah I'm thinking to my own self. Oh, I already know this. Why would I charge somebody to learn this too well because they don't know it. Okay. That's wonderful and you can teach it to them a lot faster than they like people don't have to work with they can try and figure it out on their own but it may take three to five seven years to do it or it can take six weeks. You know that kind of thing, and so I think that it's like don't don't trip over pennies on her way to dollars like if you don't know something have a growth mindset, be curious about it and go learn it. Instead of feeling bad or shame that you don't know it just I don't know it yet and go find somebody else is already done it. They can teach to you. Yeah you don't need to graduate from the School of hard knocks. Many people do I think you know the whole different podcast probably, but you know so many people have the belief of it has to be hard. Right making money as hard. And it's a tricky one I grew up with that too. I watched my dad had four jobs and it's not something that. That you have to carry through. You can actually find a way to make it easier to make money for yourself. That's fantastic. Okay Well let's move on to our financial skin. We have added a new segment of the show recently called the financial scan. We want to know what you are investigating where you plan to your money so that it grows for retirement there's no one right answer, but we all know that it will take forever to become a millionaire based solely on your w two job. So to improve our chances of success, we invested in stocks and bonds and real estate and other opportunities where are you planning your money Belinda? So. So this is interesting. I looked at my net worth statement and I did percentages I don't really do percentages all that much and. I do with my adviser, but it was interesting to do this analysis and when I looked at. So there's two ways I looked at it and just have people kind of take a step back at their own stuff I looked data from the net worth statement rights you look like total assets, less liabilities and when I looked at the total assets piece, we have a significant portion of real estate not so shocking right because we have the two house, we have our primary residence we have the mountains and the beach and Costa Rica now, and so it was like seventy two percent of our assets are in real estate. You know in terms of asset value, which is significant and the thing though is that with the remaining cash that we have. It's then I am more aggressive with that cash in terms of putting it into stocks because I view real estate is. More stable, you're going to imagine that rate. So if I were to do a normal allocation in terms of stocks, bonds, that kind of thing than I'm not giving credence, the fact that we do have so much of our overall portfolio in real estate. Right. So please say your assets are in real estate what? Does that are those reasonably highly leveraged? So your equity would be your equity within that real estate would be a smaller concentration of your overall net worth not not as much as you might think I guess because I purchased the property in two thousand. So we'll have a paid off in like six years or something you know. For a really heavy concentration in real estate, it is a heavy concentration for sure we got a website for you. Doesn't mean I want. But like, what do you do if you have one property that's over a million dollars guy you don't have to sell the property organised stella. A room in the property. And I'M GONNA, keep making rental income off the property. Right. So what do you do though is that you just look at the rest of what you have to work with right and so then when I looked at the rest in terms of our stocks. Twenty percent in stocks months but like eighty, five percent of that is in stops and we didn't change like we kept that pretty aggressive and we're just kind of riding out what's happening now it's ironic because I talked to my adviser and I do a lot around the emotions around money and the tactical finance. I don't do investing like I turned down those financial inviting jobs because I didn't really want to do that, and so we worked together and I have feeling that this recession was coming like actually created an event called recession proof Your Business that released two weeks before the start of the recession. With kind of crazy but I generally believe. You ride it. You don't try in time it. And I I heard you know with our news just recently to you know that she made some changes I can sleep at night because we've created enough other assets. If things waiver a little bit I'm just GonNa, ride it through. Am I also don't look at it as. You. Know I'm I don't see myself retiring at sixty five and pulling out all of that money. We'll have rental income. We'll have other things that will help to fund our life without needing to have that right away anyway. Yes I just want to also point out that for you as an entrepreneur you you you know you have an a large valued asset in your business, which is comprised of various streams of income that are fairly diversified imagine including books in those types of things, right so those are all atoms that allow your asset allocation to be relatively aggressive you know with that high. Stocks Real Estate I would imagine is that fair right and so So yeah. I think part of it is that I have total faith in my ability to make money. So that. You know and I just did a total pivot like we stopped promoting what we've been promoting, and then I started promoting a whole new set of staff. But then we had to go make hundred thousand dollars promoting the new set of stuff. In. One more question here with You know a speculate for a second a lot of folks we've interviewed a number of folks that have. Positions in in the Ballpark of what you're talking about where you've got Hayes, some real estate business, the those types of things. Generally, I found that folks. In positions like yours tend to keep a large amount of cash on hand relative to their annual spending. What would you kind of how much cash relative your annual spending would you say you have on hand? You know there's any months yet. Months It's funny because. You know as you grow your business, you know you start out and you're like, gosh if I have five hundred dollars sitting in my business bank account I'm going to be so happy right and it's a thousand dollars and that's five thousand, and then like I hire team and then all of a sudden you know like I need ten thousand dollars just to pay our business expenses every month you know and so I have an amount that I'll. Even my business account, and then we have how much we leave. You know we sort of set aside in our personal account so that if something were to happen and I stopped working business, we could still pale of our personal expenses and then we also just keep home equity lines around we're not borrowing against them but I always feel like instead of having my credit cards if something were to happen, I could always tap that because we are so. House rich. You know we're not cash poor, but we're only house rich. So I feel like I've ever needed to I. also kind of have that I do have room on the cards do but I mean I could always tap bat if I needed to. So I, think that I think we do keep a little bit more cash on hand like I didn't go run to do all those loans because I was like we're going to be okay. Now and part of it is is paying attention. You know it's really like recognizing that you won't be successful until you know your numbers. Are there any really super successful people in business or in personal finance who don't know their numbers there it's hard to find right in the vast majority do and you do not have to make spreadsheets you love language like they are for me. But there are ways to own your money and two or an. There are ways to own your money and to be able to pay attention to it that can work real. avoiders me. Thank you for that Bush, we move onto the famous four. I know we're we're coming up on time here go for it. Okay. The first question in the famous fours what is your favorite finance book? Is. The, soul of money by Lynn, twist my friend Stephanie just gave me that book like. When I was getting into this and it was one of those like. Moments when I actually interviewed her from my TV show. was like it all came full circle homes like allow. This was one of the books that made such a difference for me to really start to see like the lies that we tell ourselves around money and the abundance has really there for us. Ok to people now I have to go read it and DM me tell me what you I will. What was your big money mistake? It was the avoiding it. and letting it all pile up I mean I buried at all on this by gas but you know there's a while where I had so much shame in teaching personal finance and having that in my background, and then there came a time when I was like wait a second that actually has helped contribute to the level of compassion that I had for people because I know that it can pile up they know that people can really view that as such. A badge of shame but I instead took it as a badge of honor basically to say, Hey, if I could get through that and can pretty much get the read anything that's GonNa. Come my way. If, I could do it again probably wouldn't do it. Open your mail. Exactly. Okay. Besides open your mail what is your best piece of advice for people who are just starting out? So it's it's just start to save. It's that you know there's never a good time idea right that I mentioned earlier. It's like do the Max you can even if feels like a little bit of a squeeze and be sure to track because this is another mistake that people make is that they save or they maxed out their 401k, but then they're hitting a credit card to live. You know and they're not really paying enough attention so that the whole picture works together they don't want you to to live off a credit card to be able to save. It's not worth that but just start to save I. Think it's because I started to save early and often. And then as I got raises, I just started to save more until I was maxed out that I think it has made such a difference the and the PS two that is, as you start to save certainly consider real estate even if you have to start small That it was because I bought a property back in two thousand and when I did that at twenty eight but I think has made such a difference for me now, twenty years later. Awesome. Most difficult question famous. What is your favorite joke to tell at parties? Well I I asked my kids about this one because they really liked telling jokes and I have a five year old. So Five Rebecca tells US joke she goes knock knock who's there. Bill. Boohoo. Crying. That's it. That's A. Joke their elephants alive. She's five. And then the seven year old goes lately he's like, why did someone throw the clock out the window? Why why you ought to time fly. That's amazing. The runner up. Why did the boy stare at the juice container? ally. Trait yeah. I have a ten year old you're asked. When you ask little kids jokes but I don't go to parties all that much. So I rely on my hanging out with my little ones to tell jokes. Yes there. Yup those are perfect. That's what we're looking for. Wonderful. Yeah Belinda where can people find out more about you? Don't I am at own your money everywhere I'm playing more on Instagram I'm enjoying not at your money at facebook and we have this great new download. The people can get those five simple as to consists revenue that's on your money dot com ports revenue and I will find that tracking she too I think it's owner money dot com forward slash. Track to highlight their unconscious spending because I feel like we did talk some about personal finances and I want to people a chance to be able to take control of your own personal finances as well. So I will find you that too. So please me and tag me and do all the things that I know that you heard this by guest. I said Yeah we will include links to all of those in our show notes, which can be found at bigger pockets dot com slash money show one, four, zero Belinda. This was super awesome and I learned a lot I'm so glad you had time for us today. Thank you. Absolutely thank you very much thinner. Okay, and we will talk to you soon. Scott I. Love Belinda Story. What did you think? I thought it was great. I think it's like this classic. Classic. But I think it's just a example of. You know I think back to the game cashflow by Robert Kiyosaki it's. It's an expensive game. Like sixty bucks or whatever but it's a good lesson teaches some things. It's this concept if you get out of the rat race and then you get into the fast track right once you get out of the rat race and after get fast-track you you like visit Africa you have lunch with the mayor you by the the apartment complex, those types of things and like I think Belinda personal finance story. Kind of embolic shows, some of that literal. It'd be this weird look right now. But bear with me for a second year. I think it shows like, Hey, this is like a literal reality that that reflects in a certain sense where she. was good and savvy with money in her twenties and early Thirties and reached that millionaire status at thirty, three, thirty five. Became an entrepreneur and had all of these life experiences that became options for her that were very realistic because money was a secondary concern when she crossed that threshold of having dot just enough but much but more than enough early in life, and so that's the the thing that should motivate you if you're listening to this and you're in your twenties or thirties or whatever stage alive in the sense that you can go out. And have a completely different experience in the career field and with philanthropy all of those options around the table. Once you Kinda crossed that threshold and I think it's really exciting example of one person story about like looking through all of those options doing several of them, trying them in settling on the one that she did with her career. So how'd how'd do there have been d I thought that was great about the degrade. Overview of what we talked about with Belinda today it's just she has a fascinating story and the part that I really liked best is the mistake that great big. Oh, I didn't want to deal with it. So I just didn't pay attention to it. Shows that even people who know what they're doing. She's a CPA she is an accountant she does this for a living managing the funds and paying the bills and all of that stuff. So just because you know what you're supposed to do doesn't mean you're actually going to do it until you get to the point where you're like, I gotta do it I have to do. Things and you know I, just it brings a more human side to the to the people who are sharing their stories. Hey I know what I'm supposed to do, and I still made a mistake but I also fixed it and moved on. So it shows that everybody makes mistakes you're not alone and that it doesn't have to define you and and your financial life right there. Yeah I think it's I think it's fantastic. I love the different ways kind of like different takeaways we just had from the shows the completely different, right? Hey you can make tons of mistakes and still succeed like look at the horizon that she created for herself. Early in life and how she pursued it and they're both right takeaways I think. We're just very different people Scott. There you go. I have to say jokes fantastic. Her jokes were kids jokes were just because jokes were fantastic hands down best clock joke I've ever heard. Okay I. I see what you did there. So yeah. I. Do have to say that while I was listening to her talk about how she didn't open the mail and didn't open the millions of myself I bet. There's a lot of people who can identify with that. Not me I am still like a little kid when the mail comes I know it's junk and I have to open it I, open it up I'm like, yeah, that's junk but I can't just let it sit there. How can you let it sit there? What if it's a thing somebody set be male I want to see what it is always a thing it's always a pain in the rear. Yeah. Okay let's share a win from our facebook group Richard posted a little while ago. I want to report a win as one of the Fi- late bloomers I just broke two hundred, thousand dollars in net worth at age forty five, and then he said nowhere else, can I humble brag about this? It took nine years to get from negative seventeen to one hundred K. and then just three years to add the second one, hundred k. the momentum builds there are three, hundred and thirty four when I screen shot this people saying Hooray for you make and. Forty seven comments and Richard. I just want to say congratulations this is huge and good job. Sounds like we've been after there might be a story there for us to share its point who That sounds like there will be a story there. I'll reach out to Richard and see if he wants to come share his story. and. If you'd like to join our facebook group, you can find it at facebook dot com slash groups, slash B P money, and it's just a safe place for you to come and talk about money money struggles, money wins, questions that you might have struggles that you're having in your daily life maybe with kids maybe with. Whatever facet of your life that you need help with we would love to help you. It's just a bunch of finance nerds geeking out about money Scott should we get out of here? Let's do it. Do, you have any more accounting puns. Now I think we are all out of accounting funds me and you figures. Rate. From episode, one, hundred, forty of the bigger pockets money podcast. He is got trench I am Andy Jensen and we are out of here.

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What Happens To The Colorful Plants Along The Mag Mile In The Winter?

Curious City

14:48 min | 4 months ago

What Happens To The Colorful Plants Along The Mag Mile In The Winter?

"Hey i'm monica and curious cities reporter and here we are and what i like to call the dog days of winter which can seem like they stretch all the way into june. Sometimes this week on the podcast working ever visit story we did. Last year is chock full of tips on the best way to stay bundled up when you hit the outdoors. Plus when the weather gets cold one listener wanted to know what happens to all the plants that line michigan avenue in the fall. We've got that answer to. That's coming up. Curiosity is supported by progressive progressive. Has you covered when it comes to car. Insurance starting with built in savings discounts for being safe driver. You can also save when you start your quote online or have multiple vehicles on your policy in fact drivers switch and save with progressive. Save over seven hundred fifty dollars on average star quote online and see all the discounts for yourself visit progressive dot com today national annual average auto insurance savings by new customer survey twenty nineteen potential savings will vary discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations. Okay i have my glove and mitten on my left hand. My rubber glove and leather glove on my right got a potato in one pocket. A bottle of water in the other got ben gay and nylons in a sock on my right foot and go. Okay that's my colleague. Jessica pop avec last year back before the pandemic casual social interaction. The health hazard back when working from home seemed like wistful fantasy beck when you could stick a hot potato in your pocket and no one would think twice about it. It was a simpler time. And here jessica's getting ready to venture out onto navy pier a super cold. Sixteen degree not including windchill day. And the reason for the get up. Well we were trying to answer question from james pruitt. He asked how chicagoans. Stay warm during the depth of chicago winters. Dancer james question. I talked to a bunch of chicago. Experts folks who have to be outside a lot for their jobs or transportation. I got him to divulge their secret. Cold weather hacks then i convince jessica to give them a try. Hey jessica hi monica. Okay let's try these things out. We're going to start with your feet for this. I talked to veteran postal carrier. Mac julian he has been at it for like twenty five years so he knows and here is his foot trick. Would go with a sock bag. Sock shoe then galoshes. Unless you have some thermal boots you may not need to galoshes. So let's do a sock. Then dag an another sock okay. I'm sack bag sock on my left foot. What do you have for my right foot. We also heard from chicago photographer. Heather charles and she swears by another combination. And that is ben gay plus pantyhose plus sock plus boot and sometimes if you want you can throw in a hand. Warmer to this is some old ben. Gay found the medicine cabinet. I think it should still be okay. Jill smells like ben gay. So ben. gay nylon sock. Hand warmers sherve. Just shake it. Yes not always taking care of your feet. What about those days when the wind chill feels like. It's going to crack your face off while you're biking to work or you're walking or just waiting for the talked to ted valere at the active transportation alliance and he has a ton of tips but for the face. Here's what he told me as you get into the low twenty and teens a lot of people including myself to wear ski goggles ski goggles. He recommends wearing either balaklava or a neck. Gaiter which kinda like tube top for your face and you know what a ball club is right. Yeah it's kind of like a ski mask that covers your entire phase. It usually has holes for your eyes. But i'm not crazy about them particularly wearing the network. Did you get any other tips. I did and it also came from mack. Julian you know the veteran postal carrier. And here's one that he got from his mom growing up vassil. Lean the trick. Every time bassolino keeps your face won't keeps getting warm. If expose put vaseline on there. I might not do good things for my skin if i made it a regular thing but you know. Let's give it a shot. Take a of that vessel. Lean and just like smear it all over your face. I never even wanted to put this on my babies. But now i have vastly all over my hands tissue or anything. So now there's you're covered investing and you've got your feet nice and toasty. What about your body. I got some really good tips about just sort of keeping your body your torso warm julie. Dear dwarf who is a former health writer and another extreme bicyclist in chicago such learned it from little house on the prairie love the source take baked potatoes. That are still hot and jam in your pockets. Okay hammy that potato. Came from mike dorigo guyot. Rei who gave me these tips last year and he says take one of your water bottles filled with hot tap water and then jammed that in your pocket so you got your potato and hot water bowl in your pocket. You got the best all over your face. You got your nice toasty feet. Let's move on your hands. Ooh one of the best tips. I got came from former chicago. Tribune outdoors writer barbara n- she has a two part strategy. I put on any old pair of gloves and the secret is the second part on top of that. You put mittens because no pair of gloves can possibly keep your fingers. Warm enough is the combination of the mitten and the gloves. That works okay. It's hard to get the mitten on over leather gloves. There you go all right okay while you're doing that. We also heard from chicago photographer. Pete cy and he likes barbs method but he also needs to use his hands to take pictures outside. So he's got this other hack to keep the wind out and the heat and he wears nitro or like those thin rubber gloves under his regular clubs. The rubber protects the hand from evaporation which cools your hand. Once you lose the heat. It's gone here's my rubber glove. That wasn't so bad. Okay so now. That i'm bundled up and covered vassil lean. I'm ready to get outside. Okay now to blustery. Windy navy pier. I'll see and a half an hour. I just going to sit out here at the end of the pier for a minute and enjoy the view. I can feel the warmth coming from the baked potato still oddly so thanks. Laura ingalls wilder go report back to my team. Okay welcome back. I want to hear about this. So let's start with your hands. Both of the methods worked. While i kind of i might go for the rubber glove Over the glove plus and just because you have more dexterity. Okay how about your feet on my feet feel good. I actually think that the foot that has the sock bag sock. Is the winner today. Something about that. Plastic really prevents anything from getting in or out. I know right and that's why plastic bags and rubber gloves are great. If you're just commuting or something but if you're really moving around you could get super sweaty and that could just make you colder okay. So let's move into your body. I dig the potato it. Bat side of my body felt particularly warm. This the whole time. And it's like having a little friend in your pocket little mouse or something okay. So let's go face honestly. I wasn't that impressed with the vacillating. It almost felt like my face was wet and it was catching the wind. More than the other side of my face. You feel like the ski goggles. love the ski goggles. I might just start wearing ski goggles. All the time everywhere. I go because it's a cool. Look kids you see with them all right well there. You go just cold outside. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy the great outdoors mid like to thank all of our experts who chimed in with these terrific tips. And especially thanks to jessica popovic. Who put her hands beat him face on the line. So now that you know how to bundle yourself up. Super-duper warm will answer another winter query. Where does some of the city's landscaping go when the cold weather hits that's just ahead. I'm monica egg. Curiousity is supported by goose island now offering accustomed three one two can inspired by and brewed four chicago restaurant workers and giving back to the community through chicago restaurant worker. Relief fund available at select locations throughout chicago. Curious city is supported by tok a chicago-based restaurant ordering service created by restaurants. When you order through talk you save the restaurant twenty to thirty percent. They would typically pay to a third party app choose from chicago. Area restaurants offering special menus for the big game this sunday february seventh and valentine's day on february fourteenth. Find out more at tuck dot com. That's t. o. C. k. dot com. Tuck support your local restaurants in the early nineteen nineties. Former chicago mayor richard daley wanted to beautify the city scape to help deter tourists and business part of daily plan included landscaping the magnificent mile in two thousand sixteen chicago even won a prestigious award. Its landscaping designs. And for years. Joe daursky who works in st or ville is admired these vibrant and not so inexpensive displays. See last year the city spent like a hundred and seventy three thousand dollars just on tulip bulbs and since this landscaping in free will. Joe is concerned about what happens to the plants in the wintertime. I have the feeling they get thrown away which killed me. But he's helping. That's not the case. I would love to hear that. They're like either refurbished or donated. We'll joe you're in luck. Sword of reporter linnea dominic. Take it from here now. Picture the mag mile their sidewalk. Planters and planters. In the mediums the sidewalk planters are privately managed and it turns out. Many of those landscapers do reuse a lot of the plant. If a fuller is in good condition we can repeat it and use it for an interior client. That's ginny riccardi president of the ids plants keeping group. They landscape several michigan avenue properties. She says they were us about ninety. Five percent of the foliage. Donate some plants and the seasonal annuals usually unfortunately can't be used again. So they get composted now. The mediums are managed by the chicago department of transportation or see that. And this is where taxpayer money comes in annuals. Don't go back automatically. So every fall the ripped out and suddenly seat dot says they're not composted and you may be wondering. Why is taxpayer. Money to plant mediums full of flowers. Implants that thrown away at the end of the season. Well suzanne malik mckenna former commissioner of the environment for the city of chicago says they bring pops of color that people expect to see she says the purpose of these plantings is to be zoe and get people excited about michigan avenue and shopping. She says annuals can provide habitat and food for birds and butterflies but it would be better if the city rented more perennials. Which do go back the next season ultimately anytime use a perennial over anything. That's an annual species. You're investing better now. This is where it gets confusing every fall. The city does plant perennials. In the form of tulip bulbs in the medians but the following season. They get dug up and based on what malik mckenna says. This may seem counterintuitive. But stay with me every year. The bulbs are donated last year. Cdot dot says the bulbs were donated to hospitals and veterans facilities but pre cova. The city donated the tulip bulbs to the garfield park conservatory. Mattie wilson has managed the program that gives those bulbs for the past ten years usually a nine. am giveaway and there's people in line about two to three hours before opening gate. They've given up to twenty five thousand bulbs away for free each year to individuals. Eager to put a splash of color in their garden. And lastly cdot contracts with a safe haven to do the landscaping on michigan avenue. They provide job opportunities to people experiencing homelessness president. Nellie ask was. Roland says their social benefits of planting the tulips. Sometimes we think round. Do we really need those flowers. In my opinion we absolutely need those flowers for so many reasons. We are a world class city. But what most people don't realize is that it's also creating a path to self sufficiency and independence sorta recap. 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#226 'Landscape journalism' and shooting for YOU!

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#226 'Landscape journalism' and shooting for YOU!

"Photography daily. I shoot for me so if someone likes it. It doesn't matter of the of ireland. Iceland or yosemite or chicago if someone likes it. Hey i feel blessed today barry butler in our monday focus additional business talks about the incredible work. He's been doing the graphing each sunrise and sunset in chicago but he story starts friendly. Hokey gave turned out to be friendly. Because i got taken out in the game someone inside the legs out and i ended up breaking my collarbone thousand pieces to be beaten berry. Looks at what he could do as he convalesced and i decided to just start teaching myself talk. I picked it up as a kid especially my teenage years but that was linked to take it into concerts smuggling and take photos of my favorite artists but it was never serious because program. Or as i like to call panic today then we talk about what barry calls landscape journalism making the most poetic pictures of the windy city to slow down. And you have to think and you have to plan and patients. That's not something for someone who's typically inactive are sweet. Talk about how. This became his obsession and livelihood. And so this was not like some great business. Plan came about organically reveals the difference. It's made to his life. Taught me everything about life. The first thing is taught me as patients. If you keep true to your plan and be patient things are going to work themselves out to you. Know what. I'm like with the over use of the word awesome in everyday lingo today. I think there's a scene. That actually deserves the power of this word as i see in the radar and we're the lightning patterns. Were coming matter of time. And i'm just hold hoping that the rainbow and also who and it was awesome. I i've never had that before where rainbow and lightning on exactly time on the same building. Stories of life told by photographers and today. That photographer is berry butler and should count. When you get the photographs. Not like i would make my day. It just charges me by. Wow that was all worth. It was worth giving up three o'clock in the morning mondays. We talk with photographers worldwide. Digging a little deeper into their business stories of focus on how they work and what. They did to launch where they are now and what. The future holds a chance to hear their stories to help your own patron of the day. Today's elliott thomas with his rico. Geo three i knows of favourite amongst many straight talkers guide to link to his three six five projects in particular on the show pace today which is at eeg. T. underscore photo three. Six five one on your great in particular. Elliot hats An eerie war of the worlds tut feel a black white exposed. Well for a sun breaking through the clouds creating silhouettes of won't looked like well. The kind of cranes the county might find it a dockyard but they resemble the martian invasion ship so the latest movie not baps. The original flake of the fifties actually linked to Well to his instagram account. And also this particular picture on the show notes today. I'm not sure if this was in your mind when you shot it. But that's what i see anyway on a like the way that you've made highlights for each month so far be a patron of the day and two extra. Dari episodes every week by joining out club via the patron link on photography. Daily dot show. We're also supported by. Mpp dot com the number one platform when it comes to trust for buying and selling and trading used camera gear with offices and warehouses now in brighton uk brooklyn usa and berlin in europe. Her trauma a patron brad wolcott. Who after a particularly bad experience trying to sell a lands on a general marketplace platform. Wink wink heard me mention. Mpp and decided to give them a try. He says i've bought sold and traded lenses on equipment now from mpp. And i don't think i'll consider any one else. Their fair that honest and everything. I've received from them has worked perfectly. Well that's music to my ears. And i'm sure mp to. I hope you had a good weekend. I had the most surreal one. Which will be leading to this wednesdays guest until you about the show later on today. Suffice to say. I didn't think that on a rainy. Saturday may be sat under a makeshift rain. Cover with a complete legend british photography culture later on. I'll tell you who that's gonna be so to today's guest. Barry butler was suggested to me. Stephen collins said it was fascinated by his work. Not need to say too much stages. Barry pretty much tells his story perfectly from the stuff i do under say though that i think i learned a valuable business recording this which i do hear mentioned by successful from time to time. Shoot for you before. Think about shooting for the dollars. Pounds the euros orange sir currency of your choice. Here shoot for take. That doesn't mean of course it. If you photograph portrays now that you're shooting yourself above what they need because wendy. The world's best portrait toga. This will suggest you in service to but it does mean the before you become a photographer of any particular genre that you're choosing it because it's view your shooting for you because you love new so you love coach or sports or weddings. Oh pull traits or underwater where you get my drift quite literally with the nicer i think you fall in love with barisan through and enough of does within the first five minutes. I know i did barry before we even get to raising a camera. You'll story making pictures is an interesting one. Because haughey's losses photography's gain really releasing it. It was it was quite a horrific accident. The ad as well it wasn't it. Yeah no i i. I don't know why. I thought i hadn't signed the united play professional hockey just joking But i was playing in a friendly game and it turned out to be friendly begun that i got taken out in the game. Someone decided zeke. My legs out and i ended up breaking my collarbone into thousand pieces. Was it really a thousand paces. Yeah just just completely shattered so you normally with a cholera outbreak. you can. they'll put a pin because those are a clean breaks mine was it was just the entire thing so it was not a good process. And it's why. I had to spend eight months doing nothing I couldn't even drive for three months because the damage was so significant. You know i just looked at okay. What am i gonna do. Have some an actor type person. And i decided to just start teaching myself. I picked it up. You know as a as a kid especially my teenage years But that was like to take it into concerts smuggle in an take photos of my favorite artists but it was never serious because it was on program or as i like to call panic and talk took my shots and that was about it but when i broke my collarbone i said i wanna i wanna teach myself and that was during you know film and so it was very very expensive way to teach myself it. Was you know you take the photographs. You send the film to a processor and then it wait and then you come back and you look at all your mistakes and you know you just spent twenty dollars on on processing whereas now obviously looking at the back of the stream you realize you mistakes but equally. Will you working with one hand this well. We knew you couldn't use this well and tripod. that's what helped and and to this day. I am I would say ninety. Eight percent of my shots are On tripod only definitely the exceptions when fly in a helicopter. But it kind of started there because just a stability of ham your camera on a tripod and i can one arm and That's how it all started as a kind of slowed down Thing isn't it when you were with with a tripod. You learn to be learned to be slow. You learned to observe a totally different way. How do you not have the accident. But how'd you taking up photography. It may not have been landscape. Were you may have found yourself wandering the streets of chicago doing street probably because it would never have clicked in my head to do photography Because to your point is something that you have to slow down and you have to think and you have to plan and and half patients. That's not something for someone who's typically an active person with. Oh i hear the it was You'll late father who really inspired you to to live your life through the lens. He he really encouraged didn't they. Yeah he was. He was blind biggest cheerleader. That's what's great about. You know your parents you know you could probably be the worst at you're doing and they just sit there and keep it going you know and you believe their you know their their enthusiasm but my dad was like that and then until his final days you know. He was always cheerleading. Stop that. I missed that. He's been gone. Two years there many times where i have come back from a shoot and really proud of something i take you and i love to be able to show. Yeah but he did get to see your success which which is important except for the book saw everything except for the book that was. That was the thing that he would say. No you gotta do the book. You gotta do the buck right. And then i know that once He would see the book he would sit. There's a okay you did the one on chicago. Where's the one in ireland. So he would keep me going in that respect. And and and when i finally completed the book i I kept on thinking would be saying. Where's the book in ireland now so but yeah so he is in my head but i do. I miss the fact that he's not seeing what. What's come specially last couple with with the voice of data in your head. Because i don't think does voices ever really levers you've you've just got go back to to arlington do this book now Voice will just get louder. Yeah and i. And i usually go back home twice a year and but because of the pandemic i can't five trips castle the last year. It's been very frustrating. My next attempted. I feel good about this arlen at the end of september. I god willing i. I have to think that by then no. It'd be a good situation to be there so the story is that that's your family. Brought you over as when you are a young lad. Froma part of ireland. It will you. By the way wexford. Petra town county wexford southeast sunny southeast or violent and A lot of people bypass that area. No one knows history. You know the the vikings and everything and then the the prettiest lighthouse in the world is their head lighthouse. If you haven't been there that's why you can burn me up in through my ashes net area because it's one of the prettiest areas i think in ireland. Well which which lighthouse would you choose them because the one is. Chicago's not too shabby hook. Had ed in county is the one is the wall so that yeah so know just real quick one on who can hook head. is the oldest Operating lighthouse in the world is over eight. Hundred years of beacon of light has been there and then if you ever heard the the cliche oh by hook or by crook that's came from is it. Yeah so when cromwell was going to invade ireland they felt he was gonna come by the hook or by crook crooked town and walker inevitably as game for fabulous looked up that That lighthouse area is just spectacular especially for any landscape photographer. You'll you could spend days. They're talking of landscape. That is that is how you before we even get anywhere near city. That's the landscape is how you started nothing. That's way you expected really or you'll photographic interests in an career to head. Probably wasn't it right. Yeah so i rarely took shots seriously in chicago. I was I would be shooting in ireland. Or i would go the national parks here in the united states or some of the scenic coastal areas in the united states. And that's where. I would be doing my photography and and i think anyone would understand this that if you're not Photographing on a daily basis. And let's say you've taken a few weeks off for a couple of months off and then you decide to go somewhere. You're fumbling with your equipment. You're like okay away. I can't believe i forgot that. Or you know just a simple things like you get into rhythms. And i felt that many times that i was going on trips so i said to myself you know what what am i like treats shooting around chicago as i my pre-game now preparing for a game and you know no one's gonna care about shots who cares about buildings who cares about the a the city. Look so i would take the shots and think nothing of it and this was just the start of social media when it started at hot european in two thousand twenty one two thousand seven two thousand eight when it started really rolling and i would put my chicago shots up there because i was out in fullerton avenue beach today and check this out. People like wow really liked that on like oh i'm going to sanity tomorrow of I'll show you some shots. Then and i really like that and so i had a friend who was really kind of kicking me in the rear end and saying you know the chicago because you're showing stuff that people don't see and mike okay in van as i was doing this more often i was starting to fall in love graphically the city and the rest is history because then i kept on social media. Anna just turned into a snowball and so this was not like some great business plan. They came about it involves organic. Was there a sense of disappointment that the folks weren't buying the assembly and they were buying the the towers and the because you'll landscape work is absolutely beautiful. Oh thanks and this is. The guys on is true. I shoot for me so if someone likes it. It doesn't matter. If the photography and ireland or iceland or yosemite or chicago if someone likes hey i i feel blessed but if they don't it's okay i liked it as a matter of fact. I'm always amazed at times. When especially i post daily. And i'll do a tremendous amount of planning on a shot and i get it perfect and if i measured that shock based on likes i would probably be disappointed because there are times when i decided. Just turn my head on my own. Look at that. Boom and people are going over shocked that i really just instinctively decided to change my my my composition or whatever and not when i originally had planned so yeah i was funny. I have a lot of discussions with camera clubs students at schools and one of the things that i keep on reminding them that whatever artistic thing that you wanted to make sure that you do that you love and not because other people love what you do. Well though there is a slot contradiction here because Because i do think social media was pushing you towards Chicago wasn't it it. I mean this this was a defining point for you when when he thought well you know i will go and properly cover the city and that you have done almost every sunrise almost every sunset so it was a definite advantage wasn't ebbing having people on social media. Say barry this is it. This is what i won't show me more. Yeah it's great to get that but i'll tell you i enjoy the hunt. Every day of coming up with where would probably be the nita spot for. Meet a plant myself to take a florida. I love that and all my shots are planned. So i don't walk in a situation where okay mom just gonna show up at the spot and let's see what happens. I really put a lot of work into it. At star twenty four hours ahead of time where. I'm going to be tomorrow morning tomorrow evening or whatever so i i that like okay. The sun is going to be here The winds are going to be like this. And so what would probably look real cool. And then i also think what's going on in the city that that is something that i enjoy so there's a lot of things that kind of go into it and honestly i laugh when i say this i will high five myself tied like oh i got. That ended their times. It's sort of like. I think especially landscape photography in particular. Now you do all the planning fissure going to be there you put your real out and then nothing happens. Isn't that happens. You know. And i always try to think of how many times i've been successful in my planning. The listeners should know actually that you have a slight advantage when it comes to planning you have a relationship with knowing. The weather like many photographers. Don't don't you Dangerously become a self taught meteorologist. I have got. I showed you by phone. You'd crack up on. I have probably about ten fifteen apps that i go through. No and it's part of the puzzle. Mike okay i got that got that and then boom this would probably be right spot and i'm pretty go with it and again keep in mind. I'm planning typically twenty four hours advance and most you know most weather information is pretty good. Twenty four hours and bans surat. Now do you know where you'll shooting tomorrow morning yet. Tomorrow morning my intent tomorrow morning is to be at a place called montrose. Harbor march montrose beach. We have some trees there that have some of the white spring bud. Steinar have bloomed and scouted that last night. So you're allow now look now the times not nine. I look at it last night. And i said out i will pointed. It will start to meld where it became more professional weather. Donnas row taps to it. I would say development quickly. I would say probably ten years ago. I'm trying. I'm looking at a calendar right. Now it's ten eleven years ago Somewhere around and i and i'll be honest even to this day. I'm always surprised. Like wow someone actually buys my stuff. And it's it's it's neat. I do all the printing. I do all the shipping. You know. So it's it's a whole process so last year i signed and shipped over eight thousand bucks. Whoa and then calendars now. So i- calendars i. Do i do a lot of calendars. Those salary are doing that now. For seven years. And then there's the you know the regular princeton that that i do their stuff that i call my permanent collection and then i have stuff that i sell on a daily basis that you know it was shot that i took yesterday and it may not be the collection so if you wanna buy you go and what's interesting about that i'll have situations where Someone will buy something because Their dog just passed away. And i happen to have a rainbow shot that day and they'd love to have that a memory. It's very interesting. How sometimes my photographs mean more to someone that i actually realize. I hear that often. My son was born My father just passed away and love to have the shot from yesterday. So i get a lot of that too so you know i. It's all a memory for someone and my my intent is how can i capture that magic moment of the day. This is probably a good time to talk about two a day to day barry. You'd your day start really early. And i mean really early and you have to fluffy assistance who are essentially alarm clock. So i have to a two labradors. One is almost fourteen years old year a few weeks he's he's seen more sunrises and sunsets than most people His name is ajax. He's named after a ski run in an aspen. My son's named master a ski that they liked in aspen and and my My other dog was also doodle. He has his name is tusker. And he's named after tusker. Rock lighthouse which is off the coast of County wexford so. And he's two years old one eighty he's eighty pounds the other one seventy five pounds. They're big dogs and it's nice to have big dogs in a city you know when you're seeing me But you're also seeing two big dogs. kinda creates a little bit of security for me at odd hours that i'm at But the funny thing is is that they're the friendliest dogs in the world. If someone came up they would just roll over one l. era so but you know from the distance. They look imposing and. That's good enough for me. I know you like to be behind the camera. I know that you're not somebody that calls the publicity in front of it. Although you've been getting lots of publicity have appeared on television programs and Morning news and so and so forth but you have become a bit of a character within the city. I haven't even there are cops. There're the fishermen there. The the early morning joggers. The now up barry. That's just barry over there that no you yeah. I'm very fortunate in that respect. And i have access to things that probably most people don't Like for example during the pandemic. You're in chicago last year. The entire lakefront does chicago was closed off. And you might recall the the neal wise Comment that we had coming through in july. Yes and i knew that The best shot for me to take would be at a an inland. That was along the lakeshore but it was closed off. And so i you know. The cops routed bleach were at all points along. Hr and i just went up to them injuries myself night. Oh yeah. I know what a comet coming over chicago come on with so i had to police officers join me while i'm taking this photograph. And they couldn't believe what they're seeing up joking but it it it's been. I've been very fortunate that people do know my name is provided access to their times. Someone will say hey. Would you like to be on top of her building. Dixon shots anthony feeling. You're like the view. I heard you describe what we talk about the tv stuff that's been done about you. There was a lovely lovely film made about where the the host described you. Chicago's postcard poet dealer that title. I titles and i don't want to. But i really thought it was such a kind comedy but it also set a lot about what i do. I think people recognize than a love our city And the work. That i'm doing is authentic. It's not You know hasn't been manipulated words. Just like wow. How could that ever happened in chicago. I really my when. I take a photograph and it goes back to when i taught myself would fill is get it right in camera now and use actual filters in funnel lands and things like that. 'cause i want to spend my time in front of a computer and So i make it authentic. And so i i sometimes will qualify. What i do is sort of like landscape journalism. And i think that's why the television stations really like my work. Because they know that they can. Whatever i'm posting that day they know happened and so their credibility is on the line and then they re posted onto their social media. So yeah i think yeah. And i think mike even said it's like my love letter to the city did i do i love chicago. I hope that anyone who's listening to this. We'll come to our city. Because it's it's really something special back with barry butler in a moment if you make film slide shows podcasts like to know that the incredible music. That's the creative glue between features and guests and clips is royalty free music website. Music could artless stop and you will find a link through our website to them serve. You need music. And he wants to pay just one charge in the year to use hundreds upon hundreds of songs across all your projects from youtube. Three two wedding suit of podcasts and commercial photography and film jobs. This is what i personally recommend. And i use it day after day after day. The link is on our website art. Let's start by just before. We return to barry butler learn. How professional photographers design and share stunning wedding albums. In fifteen minutes fundy. 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You're talking about the photograph that you i assume that you wanna talk about. Which is the the man sitting on the bench And that is That's probably one of my favorite use the city there's another view which is probably about ten miles south and Because it just it's rock sanders. You know the shoreline and and it just looks rugged now so you can do so many things with that. You could just have no nice shot. The skyline real intimate with the rocks and use that as a really a significant portion of your image. So that's more on the south side of the city. And i love that but that spot on fullerton is is a is a good spot. Well let's talk about the patriots. Really big i i. I'm not quite sure whether you like this berry. But i i refer to it as my i. I refer to as the forest gump picture. Because i concerned that i can see him on the bench. All right the background is entirely different or know that but it does. It does have that feeling very serene very tranquil pitcher which is which is lovely. But what is it about that picture When i look look at all of your photographs that that identifies that one. That one is your favorite. Yeah because it's taught me everything about life and here the key parts and then explain the story. The first thing that is taught me as patients which is you know you can have all the planning in the world and things are not working out exactly like but if you keep true to your plan and be patient things are gonna works out okay. so patients optimism. You know it's gonna work out and then the last thing is to be able to pit now. Life is not exactly a straight area. You're going to have little dodgers in here. And you gotta be able to be a little flexible and pitted so those three things I think about in all aspects of my life and basically what happened on. That shot As i mentioned Planning and planning that. I saw for this one spot was i had two trees that had wonderful autumn colors omo color. Yeah i knew about a ten minute window. Where the The setting sun would illuminate those those leaves and they would be a nice composition as it leads into the city of chicago. Okay of the city of chicago. Skyline is in the background now in the area is a batch. So i'm setup. I got this ten minute window. And there's this gentleman who is walking back and forth in front of my composition and now i'll be honest under my breath. I'm saying every bad wording in the book all right. I'm like i can't believe this guy is going to be walking through there now. I don't get that out here right but you'd every right to be there now so i just there sat there sat or stood there at her and then he designed to sit down on the bench i might not and the competition was much wider and so i decided to just be a little tighter. He was there and he was nice right. Third of my my photograph took the shot and holy moly and people are not often in my shots because of the times on him out that place right so that was one of the aspects of their was unusual for me but it made the photograph. And i lily and normally i don't do this on a grabbed. The camera and i looked at the back of it. And i'm like okay. It's in focus right and everything you know because i really pivot very quickly and by the time i put my camera back up he was gone. He literally sat down for maybe happened. In thirty seconds that was. He would think that that gentleman was there probably for an hour just soak in the the skyline view and he wasn't and so i had one shot at a worked out this. This is one of your most famous photographs said does does he know. Have you met this. Mystery man yeah. Yeah i have no idea i. I was not happy with it. So i want to know who it was. I was opened. He was going to leave. You mentioned you put him on the third but you don't always work in threes. Ukwa them seven. Yeah i like shooting. That's how i frame So i- anytime also. If you look at my photographs. I would say probably ninety percent of the time you see salads. I am not very much a standard. You know working thirds. I'm always looking for sevens in my in my photographs. Because i feel like those are greatly lines and when there's a lot of sevens i feel like it's like the grass photograph of the world. I wanted to ask you this because you you work in such a patient manner. We'll come onto patience and weather in a moment as well but how do you feel when you're making you'll pictures i feel a piece Because i've done everything possible to make the image. How i envisioned it so again you know with all the planning i sit there and say volumes are going to happen and so i'm in most cases. I'm not surprised what i walk up to. And it's the the piece first settles in and then. Just be patient rate for things to happen. Now you know why they're always you know My head's on a swivel possibly happen. That i had not planned for and i'll make those adjustments and i am a camera ready for those type of things always think about what was thinking a couple of steps ahead. It's usually a sense of peace. And like i said when you get the photograph that you like i it will make my day it. It just charges me by. Wow that was all worth. It was worth giving up three o'clock in the morning. There's a sense of accomplishment that feeling like now did something positive today. there's some glorious aerial shots in mentioned already helicopters d d. Do you managed to get up there much in the in attica. Yeah i love being out of helicopter. Now just you know Jury wind and one of the reasons why. I know chicago very well when i was a teenager. I used to fly helicopters doing traffic reports on the radio. So it's very very comfortable for me to be in a helicopter now. It's pretty much. They get harnessed in the windows are off the doors often. Hang out and you let rip you know. It's not a cheap thing to do. But when i am up. They're taking those photographs. I know that i'll get a return on my investment. Let me ask you about the weather. There's an enormously skilled shots of lightning on the john. Hancock center in the city of very famous skyscraper landmark with a rainbow directly behind his. It's oh yeah yeah. that was. What a phenomenal pitcher and when you talk about patients that he's the game of patients. I'm a strong knowledge of what the weather is likely to do. Yeah so. I have an ipad with me with latest radar and so i'm watching that lightning coming through And the the photograph that you're referencing. We had this wonderful while we had a storm came through anytime a a lightning storm. You're still going to have even if the storm has passed. There's always a lightning still in the air and it was sunset and so we. I had the sun right behind me so wonderful rainbow Developed over the john. Hancock building. And i just said to myself. I'm gonna cheat my finger on that trigger. Because i just know we're going to have a lightning strike that's gonna come through here and city chicago. We have three buildings with high antennas. And those are just you know that's the those attract lightning so as seen the the the radar and we're the lightning atoms. Were coming in like manner of time. I was just whole hoping that the rainbow hold and also boom and it was awesome. I i've never had that before where rainbow and lightning on the exact same on the same building. How long do you have to keep a shutter open to capture london. Yeah song typically anywhere from two to three seconds. I i like to be at Anywhere from a four five six sometimes eight but in that situation because the fact that was fairly bright. I put out an andy filter on there. I think i had probably three stop. So i could reduce some of the light that with some guy Most of my lightning shots at night. So you don't have that issue by. Let's i like it anywhere from two to three seconds because most lightning as much as quick. If if i'll use a cable release there's usually enough lightning in the sky that you're gonna capture it within that two to three seconds in terms of the weather. Is there anything that keeps you inside a know you dogs would have you out in old weather. But there are some incredibly. The incredible subzero temperature pitches as well. It gets old in chicago. that's for sure. Yeah that's winters my favorite time of year issues. It because the landscape constantly changes. But what keeps me. Inside is Completely gray skies and are just lashing rain the i that doesn't excite me. I shooting panels doesn't really do much for me so that's probably the only time i sit. There's i might be able to sleep a little bit later. Okay fan and i said hi did not say they call them good bad. Let's return to from very proud. Moment is twenty twenty which was difficult for everybody. You won the ibom or the irish books arts music. Did that feel. That was pretty dunkel been. Don't wanna get emotional So the irish community here in chicago is very strong as a matter of fact the county. That chicago's a part of is has the most people with irish heritage in in the united states. So this is a big irish humidity. It was last year was used which was two thousand twenty That was also the hundred year anniversary of my grandfather Being on hunger strike on ninety days and corporation and so it all kind of came together like yours was major event. That happened hundred years ago an ireland and an here. I'm you know winning this recognition from the irish community. You're not really That was pretty cool things that i'm proud of photographic rate. That's definitely my top three without pushing buttons too much on that. But i know that would have loved that moment. It'd be it'd been all over that moment. Wouldn't they come on son. Where's the book. be saying. I can hear him now. And the other element of many things in my world came together on. That one is the Normally where the event is held at is the irish-american haired center here in chicago and everything was done. Virtually but dad would sing. My dad was a singer My dad would sing at the american heritage center so it was all kind of you know again. Everything was coming full circle on that one and That was pretty cool. Yeah i'm just finally it. Is the job ever done. I mean you've got hundreds and hundreds of pages. As i've said a couple of times already in this interview sunrise. Send down other times of the day the night. Is it ever done. No this is the one nice thing about shooting in a city. Unlike regular landscape we have a building going up on a regular basis. You know we we actually In the last two years of had two additional call skyscrapers and we have two more. They're going up in the next year. So the view always changes. Or as you know if you're if you go to the close to more okay because some more haven't changed in centuries right Maybe a little bit here and there may be a big rocket fallen off but it doesn't change where the skyline of of especially simplex chicago. It's constantly changing. So it creates looks and different composition as factors a composition. That i'm gonna shoot here in three weeks and it's because we just had a skyscraper completed in the last six months and are these really neat flowers that are going to be in the foreground when they bloom. They will bloom here in three weeks. And i'm going to have the Flowers and then this one skyline skyscraper in the background. So that wouldn't be there two years ago it'd be just like i was. I would be taking photos of flowers actually listening to this show. I'm phoned fan of Of columba who is said just one more thing. I've i've thought of one more thing. A bet your please that you injured yourself playing that sport two decades ago of every negative. There's a positive absolutely. And i had and we all have had setbacks in our lives and every major setback. I've had has turned into something really good and that was one of the better ones. I don't wish a broken collarbone on my worst enemy. But i don't sit there and say i wish that never happened because it did result in a lot of good things after my sincere thanks to barry butler. It was an absolute joy spending time talking with barry last week and not say for today keeps sending your questions your feedback and photo stories to studio at photography daily dot show so that i can fit you in the mail bag addition. Which is the friday photo booth on that note. Remember you can also send him pictures from your own photo to appear on. The episodes show page online with links to your website or instagram. If you haven't yet join our private facebook group and follow us on instagram links. 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Biggest mistake coming back to england. What i came back showed my work around. People said did you really take that. They used to for me off. And i could get one assignment and the last straw was was with. The injuries Isla white festival and had some back stage photographs with them. Did you really take. That found them the thing so when nobody wanted to get demoralized. Went on to wash dishes work in a restaurant per music on the show from the incredible art list. Dot i o. And i look forward to photographing with you hearing from you and talking with you. Wednesday photography daily is a loading zone production.

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"Support for here. And now comes from legalzoom presenting this message with over seventeen years and more than two million customers. Legalzoom provides helpful support legal advice and transparency for business. Owners. More information at legalzoom dot com slash now. Hollow here now podcast listeners. It's Robin young with a favor to ask please go to here now dot org slash survey. All one word and tell us more about yourself. Our survey takes less than five minutes and your feedback will help us improve the podcast so go to here and now dot org slash survey. An answer a few questions that's here now dot org slash survey. Thank you from NPR and WB. You are. I'm Lisa Mullins. Jeremy Hobson it's here. Now, the British parliament is about to vote on whether it wants Britain to leave the European Union this month with no deal that headline for Brexit is March twenty ninth that is just sixteen days from now yesterday. Lawmakers rejected Prime Minister Theresa May's latest plan for a cleaner Brexit. She says today she'll vote against a no deal breaks at the European Union. With a good deal. I believe me how the tail. Yes. Nope. Best deal. But I won't be working on the twenty ninth of March eighth with a Goto deal. Here's has been doing a lot of negotiating losing her voice there. Joining us now is BBC political correspondent Nemi grimly in London. Then me what are the expectations for this vote today on leaving without a deal? Well, this fate today a slightly more straightforward than the vitamin cheese day night in that it's widely expected that MP's will join ranks across the party divide t say that they don't want Britain to crash out of the EU without any arrangements. Put in place to to cushion the economic play now that will be a rump of MP's mainly in the governing conservative party. But also some in the main opposition labor party who. Say that they mind if written crashes out, but on the whole it's recognized that in parliament, nobody wants to see this happen because they're worried about an economic shock to percent. I worried about what it might do to consume as two jobs, and they'd rather not go that to be Frank will. So they they know they don't want that they know that they don't want the deal that Theresa May put forth to exit with a deal. And then the next step would be what to just vote on whether to delay that March twenty nine th deadline. Yeah. Well, you kind of put your finger on the nub of the problem because it's not really clear what parliament does want to see happen safe. I we know what they don't want to see happening. But there's no real sense of direction about what's kind of Brexit. They want and that is really has been the problem for the last two years you right in the next logical step if they say, they don't want to abruptly crash out of the U the next step. Is. Well, do we won't get back to the e u and ask for more time to try and get out ducks in the row, and that is becoming much more likely again at widely expected that parliament will suggest a Theresa May that she does just that. Then she'll have to have a discussion with the EU and say, well, how long extension should we have would it just be a couple of months or is something longer needed? And of course, that's a difficult conversation for her to have partly because in the past. She said, we don't need any more time. And Secondly because all twenty-seven e you Member States have to agree that an extension is necessary. But if that Accenture were to come is the fear on the part of the hardcore Brexit, tears that that would open up the possibility of another referendum for Britain. And that the people would have another vote on whether they really wanna Brexit. Well, again, it would depend how long the extension was if the extension was just until. Oh may in other words, another couple of months. Well, frankly, there isn't time to organize a second referendum in that timeframe on the other hand if it's a year, we're talking well, then obviously that would be the kind of time scale web tension a second referendum could happen. A second referendum is now the official policy in theory of the labor party, although they have their own internal disagreements so that whether that's a sensible thing to hold on not, and it is now becoming more likely in medieval, Theresa May has countenance that if the deadlock continues, it's one of the possible options to trying to solve this sort of gridlock, and I was talking to a British friend the other day who said that he believes if there is a second referendum that Brexit would win in an even bigger margin than it did before. Well, one of the uncertainties is that the vote was. Unpredictable loss time it could be unpredictable again. We'll see many commentators and politicians are slightly worried but Britain has become this kind of nation infected by a culture war people actually, use the same phrase that you use in the US a culture war between left and right. And there are several people who worry that this might have, you know, real serious effects on community cohesion on the ability of politicians to just govern the country. Normally, so a lot of people even though they might in theory, like the idea of a second referendum that worried about the consequences. So worried about putting the British people through three this sort of turmoil. Again, the real see some people who argue that it would be undemocratic to ask the British people what they want back in June of twenty sixteen and then to sort of ask the question again, just three years later. On the other hand, some people say, well, the facts have clearly changed in the intervening two to three years. So asking the people whether they want to rubber stamp, the exit properly is a good idea that is the BBC's political correspondent Nemi grimly joining us from London on a very big week when it comes to Brexit. Let me thank you. Thank he now from politics in the UK, we turn to politics here at home where there's something unusual going on President Trump and house speaker Nancy Pelosi agree on something that the president should not be impeached. Pelosi added at least for the time being the president tweeted today, the degree appreciates policies statement and road. Everyone must remember the minor fact that I did nothing wrong earlier this week the democratic house speaker Pelosi told the Washington Post that she's not for impeachment right now saying the Republican president is just not worth it unless there's overwhelming support for a removal from office jillions Eleazar is professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. Hi, Julian thanks for having me. Thanks for coming back in the president's tweets today. He claimed again that his first two years in office have been the most successful two years in history and asked how anyone was such a record could be removed from office. When impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors. What's your take on what the president is saying about impeachment? Well, not everyone would agree with his record. So we can start with that. But even if his record is agreed to be successful that has nothing to do with impeachment. President Richard Nixon was very successful. He brokered open relations with China. He negotiated an arms agreement with the Soviet Union. He was reelected in a huge landslide in one thousand nine hundred seventy two yet. His fate was to resign. So this is about whether a president committed high crimes and misdemeanors, not about how successful they've been on other fronts. All right. So everybody's waiting for the Muller report to come out. What would have to be in that report to reach the level of high crimes and misdemeanors? Well, I think it will either have to point to. To the president committing a crime as president as opposed to earlier in his career and lifetime, and it will also have to show abuse of power and that could range from abusing power as a candidate. Which is a flimsier argument in some ways to his doing something as president to obstruct the investigation or to, you know, reward benefits that came during the election from collusion with Russia. You say would have to be something that he did as president. How 'bout something as he was campaigning for president? Well, I think they still for the Muller report to stick. It would have to then connect to what he's done is president. So so I think for the political winds to shift it would have to be that this happened during the campaign, and then we can see in foreign policy, for example, how that impacted what the president did if the bar is to convince Republicans to switch their possess. Mission, and it's gonna be a very high bar at this point. So you're talking a lot about illegal standard here. We are looking at what various people in various parties are saying also what the public is saying a congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortez has supported impeachment in the past. And she told reporters that should never be taken completely off the table. Do you see a coherent democratic strategy on this issue of impeachment? And is there ever a coherent strategy on this issue? Well, there's a division right now on whether he deserves to be impeached for sure, but a lot of Democrats do support a congressional investigation. We have not had that in Watergate we had a full congressional investigation in one thousand nine hundred seventy three before a formal impeachment process began the Republicans have obstructed any kind of investigation. And I think even speaker Pelosi supports the multiple investigations taking place. That's how you determine if a president needs to be impeached. You can't start with that question answer, it if congress hasn't looked into it. So I think that's where Democrats are and they can withstand the tensions over what the outcome's going to be. So they have to reach a certain level. In legal level. But what impact does public sentiment having this? It will matter only in that Democrats are going to be reluctant to move forward. Especially since we're two years to an election without any sense that this won't backlash against them. Many Democrats remember the late nineteen nineties. They're thinking of Bill Clinton's impeachment when the Republicans in congress suffered the political consequences, but they need to remember that in the case of Nixon, it was very different and Democrats certainly withstood going through this process when it was the right process. It's about what the substances it's not only about the politics. That's Democrats need to think about this Jillian since you were historian as you look back in history. I wonder if you can tell us what the danger is in a back and forth about impeachment, and whether or not it possibly damages the work of a president am just as the debate is going on it does obviously it's a distraction for. President it consumes a lot of political capital, but congress has an obligation to do this. The danger is really that. Because of all these political calculations impeachments just taken off the table. And that's as irresponsible as going right to impeachment as a default position. Because presidents have to be held accountable for what they do jillions Eleazar professor of history and public affairs at Princeton. He is also co author with Kevin cruise of the new book fault lines a history of the United States since nineteen seventy four. Thank you, Jillian. Thanks for having. Traveler, discover one of the world's most fascinating cities with it's incredible skyscrapers. And bold modern design any guesses which city that promotional video is talking about. If you get Chicago. You're right a city famous for its architecture. It's impressive modern skyscrapers, and it's stunning historic structures. But if you visit Chicago these days to gaze at it, all you're likely to end up at the bean, that's what most people call cloud gate a sculpture by initiative poor that's a favorite spot for tourists taking selfies because it's mirrored surface reflects you and the stately skyscrapers that line millennium park, I stopped by the bean with Blair Cayman. He's the Chicago Tribune Pulitzer prize winning architecture critic, I asked him what he sees when he looks at the bean, I see possibility I see contemporary technology used to make our I see the clouds drawn down into this jelly bean, like polished mirrored surface thing where you can almost touch them. I just see wonder and I see a new emblem of Chicago and. A mix of old and new in this view that we're looking at right here. It's an amazing thing. It's it looks lighter than than air. But it weighs one hundred ten tonnes. House a steel armature inside. But it's got this polish smooth surface. It's a fun house mirror because of ease complex curves. And it it's perfect for Chicago because its place right at the foot of the skyline. And so it reflects the kind of great architectural achievements of the city, but in a way that you've never seen them before. Because of their the way that they're talked and curved and reflected here, you see a picture of the city's Dr Sam Bishen, it's reaching for something beyond the ordinary. And that's what this sculpture does is kind of you know, it's been said it's like liquid mercury. It looks like he's right, right. But I think this is become money and park this park that were standing it has become a kind of new town square of Chicago. And I think that's really important because this is a city in a metropolitan area, that's often device. Guided along the lines of race and class, and yet this is an area where people can come together and coexist at least in the same public space. There's a word that I saw in many of your columns, and that is democratic this is very democratic. It's not the traditional public sculpture, the general on horseback. The you know, the great white man up on the pedestal. This is down on the ground is participatory. There's another public sculpture here that consists of two tall glass block towers coffee crown fountain, and it broadcast digitally the faces of a thousand Chicagoans. So in other words under like thirty feet high. And in other words, it doesn't celebrate the great, man. It's all Brits, ordinary people. These are the people in the city. The public sculpture here is interactive stomach Radic. And you just see that in the in the way that it's kind of acted as kind of MAG. Senate for people in the city for tourists. It's a different type of architecture and public art, and it's relatively new like a number of the other buildings that Blair came and says standout in Chicago skyline. We asked him to pick four you can see them at here now dot org. He started with the aqua tower which opened in two thousand nine the tower is interesting because it first of all it's designed by a woman janey, gang and two parts from the kind of macho muscular expression, that's typical of Chicago the expression of structure the underlying steel frame of a building. I was about curves. It has this very sensuous series of balconies that kind of wrap around it. And it's almost like built topography. It was actually inspired by some of the limestone formations. Along the Mississippi River in other places in the great in the mid western region. That's a departure from the tradition of modern architecture that made Chicago famous for that came in says, it's hard to find a better example than the John Hancock center now known as eight hundred seventy five north Michigan avenue. The Hancock is just the essence of Chicago few magin. It's a truncated obelisk. So it doesn't go up straight goes up a hundred stories in. It tapers inward as it rises. It's not just the shape though. It's in Chicago. There's a tradition of expressing the underlying structure of a building. And the Hancock does that just with great elegance and strength. The building is has a series of experts that express the internal structure of this tube a series of columns. Experts in beams that hold the building up by building the building in that way, by creating this tube structure, they saved an enormous amount of money over a conventional steel frame skyscraper. It's kind of like what resulted from that. Was it went from reason into romance? And it created this tremendous image kind of dark muscular like I've I've compared to a prohibition era gangster wearing a tuxedo. It kind of is vaguely threatening. But it's you know, it's it's a great symbol of the city. And it's very different from New York. I should say other words, again, this is the mid western version of metropolis if you wanna look at New York, you know, you look at the Chrysler building, it's kind of jazzy and fun and possess. And we have our tech a great architecture skyscrapers too. But you know, Chicago is sober and tough and serious. And there's a blue collar aspect. Two. And that's the Hancock Blair Caymans next pick wouldn't be described as blue collar. It's the only high-rise that was allowed to be built east of lake shore drive lake point tower has a curved form that stands out as the architect George ship, right noted the wife shaped configuration for the tower gives each resident of you of Lake Michigan the one hundred and twenty degree angle between the legs of the Y minimizes the ability to see into someone else's apartment. Blair came in says, those curves go against the right angles that typify Daniel Burnham's nineteen oh nine plan of Chicago. And fortunately, the only skyscraper east of lake shore drive because the whole idea here is that the lakefront as Burnham said by right belongs to the people. And I mean, that's one of the great things about Chicago that democracy, the democratic impulse of its architecture that architecture isn't simply for kings princes, the traditional. Patrons who built churches or palaces. The palaces. Here are parks for people or shopping centers department stores like Louis Sullivan's Carson Pirie Scott store, that's an ideal of course. But I at its best Chicago is an expression of American democracy in three dimensional form. Probably puts a premium on the condos in the lake point tower that it's the only one east of lake shore drive does. Although, although it's interesting if you've been in those condos, they only have eight foot ceilings, they're kind of low by contemporary standards. But nonetheless, when there's the air and water show here people in lake point tower, see that they can literally see the eyes of the pilots as they buy their jets the two tallest buildings in Chicago didn't make Blair Caymans list. The Willis tower, formerly known as the Sears tower and the Trump Tower which opened in two thousand nine the Trump Tower sits along the Chicago river. Near the last building came in wanted to talk about which has been around for nearly a hundred years that would be the Tribune tower the Tribune tower is another great individual Chicago building. It's this Neo gothic skyscraper. That was based on French gothic cathedrals of the medieval period, it soars up from its site near the Chicago river, it has flying buttresses. It has grotesques those are gargoyles like sculptures that signify. The importance of freedom of the press. It has this gothic crown kind of stands out beautifully alongside the clock tower of the Wrigley building. The other special thing about it is that it has fragments of famous buildings from around the country in the world embedded in its base, the publisher and editor of the Tribune Colonel Robert McCormack in the nineteen twenties ordered his car spa. Baden's to obtain by quote, honorable means only pieces of famous buildings so there's a piece of Vatican. The Parthenon Ray will have China, cultural appropriation. Probably, but it does create a kind of vicarious around the world tour that tourists love to see they it stops tourists in their tracks. And they see these these fragments those fragments are still there. But the Tribune staff moved out last year the building will be turned into what else condos. And if you think of things the way Blair came in does just imagine the Tribune tower is a person starting a new job when you see these buildings. It sounds like you see people. Oh, the buildings are people will the buildings. Exemplify the spirit the energy the Bishen the drive the aspirations of the city. That's why I think people. Care about them so much, you know, they they they speak of this. You know, what was as recently as like less than two hundred years ago? This flat, Barron, nothing settlement, essentially, and all of a sudden it's been transformed into this. Incredible global city. Here now is supported by legalzoom want you to know that if you wanna make twenty nineteen the year you finally start a business for secure your family's future. Legalzoom can help with their network of independent attorneys, license and all fifty states legalzoom can help you navigate your legal needs from wills and trust to LLC's trademarks contract, reviews and more. And the best part is legalzoom is not a law firm. So they don't charge by the hour. More at legalzoom dot com slash now. Canada is the latest country to close its airspace to all the Boeing seven thirty-seven. Max jets that includes models eight and nine the max eight was involved in the airlines crash over the weekend and a lion aircrash last year, but the plane continued to fly in the United States joining us now is NPR's David Schaper, and David I what do you make of the news from the Canadian transport minister who cited new information? Mation to know what that information is. Well, yeah, it appears Canada was one of the last holdouts with the US in refusing ground, the Boeing seven thirty-seven, max planes, and the new information appears to be some satellite data that was referenced in some reports, that's not totally conclusive. But there is also a statement by a spokesman for airlines today is is they continue to participate in the investigation of that crash Sunday that suggested that the pilots struggled to maintain control of the plane that there were no external factors like bird strike or something like that that was affecting the plane, and that's similar to what appears to have happened in that lion. Air crash back in October. So that information appears to be what's prodding the Canadian transport ministry to to ban these planes from the airspace, and that's a big deal because that's our northern border. We share space with them. So it's possible that that. Some US flights or flights into Canada from the US could be effective. Does that increase the pressure on the US to follow suit even by virtue of the geography, I think it does because we had bedded island, and again, we share a border so were cut off a little bit. But the has been assisting all along that these planes are Stefano that they've had no information showing any sort of systemic performance issues. And in a statement last night, they said, there's no basis to order, the grounding of this aircraft yet, and they haven't seen any other country provide data that would warrant such an action to see if that posture now changes so NPR has learned that a number of US pilots who fly the Boeing seven thirty seven max planes have complained about the planes in a federal database a couple of reported the automated system pushing the plane's nose down they were able to eventually right the plane, but this problem may be more widespread than we know. And apparently Boeing is working on a fix for the software believed to be a. Factor in the lion aircrash and potentially this one as well. As you said, we don't know for sure wasn't it. Part of the issue though. The pilots were not told about the software. Right wha-what thing that pilots complained about right after the lion aircrash is that they were not made aware of this new automated flight control system that essentially takes over if if a sensor thinks that the plane is about to go into a stall meeting it's pitched too high and might stall, and then it'll point the nose down. Now, what appears to me of happened with that lion. Air jet is that there is a faulty sensor giving eroneous information and acting on that that's why the system pointed the plane down, but pilots don't know about it. And don't know what's happening. It could catch them off guard. They they may not have the tools of the training to right? The the aircraft. And that appears to have happened a couple of times, but the pilot's report being able to regain control by switching off the system. It's really kinda complicated. Because you know, a lot of pilots are saying right now those for south western American Airlines that they still. Have competence even after the Canadian government's action here today in this aircraft and flying that they now have the information and training that they need to keep this plane flying safe NPR's, David Schaper, speaking with us. Thank you very much, David. Bye pleasure. Lisa. New details are emerging about what federal officials are calling the country's largest college admission scandal ever at least fifty people are being charged in the scheme among them college team coaches parents exam administrators and the brokers who accepted hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to place kids in elite schools. Now, it may not be a surprise to many that the playing field for college acceptance is uneven what is surprising is the level of corruption on the part of the middlemen coaches test administrators brokers also notable, of course, are the parents who are willing to pay millions for a spot for their kids at prestigious schools. Let's bring in two people for million with the admissions process. Dave, Marcus, a private admissions coach and the author of the book acceptance, he's in Washington. Hi, dave. Hi there, and we're joined also by Lisa maselli, director of college counseling at the university of Illinois laboratory highschool inner Bana, Illinois, my high school. Hi, lisa. Thanks for having me. So let me just start by asking each of you whether. There. You were surprised by this debut. First. Jeremy I was surprised by the death of the scheme. But I was not surprised by the sentiment behind it. There's so many kids who are under so much pressure. I've dealt with many parents who actually offered to pay me extra right? The kids essays to completely right kids essays and getting speeches in that very area recently in Newport Beach, California, where parents asked me how much do I need to pay a university. How much I need to donate for building to get my kid in Lisa. What about you? Were. You surprised now I agree with Dave. I'm not surprised at all. I do think this is just the tip of the iceberg. I think that more of these type of behaviors are going to come out to the open. And again, this isn't always just a story about celebrity. I mean, the the man who is now in the forefront of this fraudulent scheme was actually in Champaign Urbana for years ago. So he seeped his way into central. Illinois, and basically prayed on families fears preyed on families fears. How basically by talking about the elite schools in how his catchphrase which was on his flyer that I saw for years ago was quote getting into college is not a secret it's a science, and if you actually know this process, and you council from the heart and help kids be authentic. It isn't a science. It's an art. It's an art of building a class. Dave, where do you think the problem stems from the parents who are just so eager to get their kids into these elite schools, or is this the people who are making it possible, obviously illegally for them to do that. Jeremy is way beyond that. And I I can speak to you as a parent of three two of whom have gone through the college process, and I tell parents when I speak all over the country just to relax to enjoy it to make it about letting the kid discover who he or she is helped kid figure out what dreams he or she has. And yet as a parent, I have to tell you, you you worry about your kids will they get good jobs. Will they find a way to find footing in this economy where you're not gonna go work for one company for twenty thirty forty years? So it's way beyond admissions. It's about the fears. We have and I sense it in middle class communities just as much as wealthy communities. What do you mean that people would be willing to pay to get their kids in these middle class communities? Well, they'd like to they asked me how to do it. But just the sense is that there's a ticket to success and is wrong. But the senses you if you go to one of the top thirty forty fifty elite colleges in this country, mostly private that that's going to ensure your kids. Future. And that's going to ensure good earning. Good insured being in a startup or being in a big corporation, it it's not that simple at all their fears are exaggerated in some ways. But and more important they're doing all the wrong things by pressuring their kids by by by gaming trying to game the system, but I do understand where it comes from. Well, at least a you've talked with us many times about the fact that there is an obsession in this country that is not healthy with some of these elite schools that it's not necessarily even the right fit for everybody to try to get into these, you know, very few schools, the ivy's, etc. That that you know, there's a lot of places people can go to college and get a great education and Dave hit the nail on the head. When he talked about there's now this belief system that there's a magic ticket basically ensure happiness and a roadmap to success, and we see that seeping down into K through twelve schools that again, you have to get into the right school to then get the ticket to the right college. And it just doesn't work that way. And when you talk with families about look. This process is about self reflection depth of research, taking an honest inventory of who you are as a young person. They literally will often not wanna do that work and find the easy route and that entire concept of gaming the process beating the system. How do I get privileged to basically be read in a certain way to get? There are no guarantees in this process. So I think what we try to help families understand which I think is at the heart of the scandal. Right now is Rick singer was quoted as saying, quote, I my parents wanted guarantees and I had to find them cider. There are no guarantees because there also is no guarantees to happiness and success. But if I can interrupt. Yeah, there there is a guarantee we don't talk about and the council I wrote about my book acceptance always tells parents it's not about where you get in. It's what you do with those for years, if you're curious if you think if you question there is a guarantee of sorts, which you're going to be better qualified for this job market. And frankly, I'll throw in a pitch for what? What this would these parents didn't understand the best thing. You can do for many kids have them. Take a gap your go work at a restaurant. Go have a real job. Go volunteer. Go study, something obscure go travel. If you can and leave it another country and be part of that country. That's a guaranteed that you'll be better successful person in many ways, not just insertive. What what ticket? You got. I'm with you on gap years as somebody who took a gap year, by the way. But let let me ask you this though, gets to the point of even if these kids did get in through the back door, they're not going to succeed in a school that they maybe wouldn't have been able to get into on their own, right? Lisa while and I think the saddest part of this is the fact that if these students truly I know there's different layers to the scandal. And whether at kids knew about what was going on why their parents and so forth. But what does that testament or a belief system that parents had that they felt like they had to basically manufacture their child to look better because they weren't good enough on their own accord to get in. So I. What I get so worried about is this misguided and dangerous tunnel vision that basically now has created this this tier of schools will basically give you this. And as Dave mentioned. I mean, we talk constantly Jeremy about these kids just needing to grow in thrive somewhere, and that some schools that may not be on their radar ones that they need to consider. But if I can tell you one thing that I'm seeing I'm seeing families that are not coach -able are not teachable. I'm to the point where at some of my workshops, I just wanna start with my insurance say if you are here to learn how to get into the elite top tier schools that all of the press and all the notoriety new at US news, please leave because that is not what this talk about. If you're here to learn about how to bring your offense voice to this process in that manufacture yourself and push your children to do things that they don't genuinely connect to. That's the goal of this process. And I don't think a lot of families and students because they're burned out. Confused tired scared have a misguided definition of the future are like able to necessarily grab onto the fact that there are no guarantees based on GPA test scores. Dave, let me ask you. What do you think that this whole scandal has done to people's confidence in the system will the charges? The college themselves are not charged with wrongdoing. But it shows that the process emissions process is fraught is corrupt in many ways. And I use corrupt in in a in a Broadway. Because look parents have offered me huge amounts of money to basically get their kids into college. And in that, you, you know, you they don't ask me to take the test. I be terrible. If that, but they asked me to write essays asked me to coach a kiss on interviews AFC to make some calls admissions offices. This is so wrong. And what I've done in college coaching is wrong. And a lot of ways to I tried to a lot of pro Bono work. I try to basically tell students. Lisa said, there's tens of thousand. Nds of colleges out there and often the ones you haven't heard of the ones that aren't the fancy ones are the ones where you can really make a difference. So we have a huge problem in the admissions game that someone somehow society there only a few acceptable colleges to get into. And we we really should remember that colleges in this country are engines of social mobility, their ways of people getting up the ladder from all incomes, and admissions has to be not about the money. You have not about the test prep. You can afford not about bribing coaches or even. Wow, ING admissions people with manufactured things going to Nicaragua for three days and saying that you rebuilt a village. It's all about curiosity and learning and trying and striving, and and as I said questioning things that is Dave Marcus, private college, admissions coach and author of the book acceptance, we've also been speaking with Lisa maselli, director of college counseling at university of Illinois laboratory high school, enter Bannet, Illinois. Thanks to both of you for joining us. Thanks, jeremy. Thank you so much. President Trump's twenty twenty budget that was released by the White House. Monday calls for a twelve percent cut in total funding to the department of health and human services includes nearly three hundred million dollars to quote defeat the HIV aids epidemic in the United States. But funding for the program that fights HIV and aids overseas took a big hit the US president's emergency plan for aids relief known as pet far was cut by about twenty two percent. The presence budget is just a blueprint will have to go through congress. The Trump administration hopes to reduce the spread of HIV by ninety percent in the US in the decade. A big part of the White House strategy is to get people into treatment. Quickly metro Atlanta is one of the country's HIV hotspots some groups there have been working to break down barriers often, keep the most vulnerable populations from getting hair. Sam Whitehead from member station. W AB reports like any good millennial Milan. Randolph spins. A lot of time on his phone and went a little red notification bubble pops up he likes to take care of it. So if I see this I'd be like, what's that in there that I go, and I'm like, oh, I gotta take my medicine that medicine is called bec- tarbey Randolph takes it to reduce the amount of HIV and his blood. He tested positive for the virus in twenty fourteen when he was in college. I call HOV a mild inconvenience. If anything I have to remember the tech uphill, everyday, which you know, often isn't really hard. But that wasn't always the case after he was diagnosed took Randolph and entire year to seek treatment for any number of reasons for one he didn't like the first questions he'd often get from providers. Every time they would ask if I was gay and that always makes sure uncomfortable because I had not yet accepted. My my sexuality, my identity, then taking medication would mean accepting his HIV status, which was no small thing. Randolph also says he had trouble finding people to confide in. I think we all need somebody even as v one person and that first year I had nobody and it was really really tough to to buy fight that alone, enter Daniel driven. He's cofounder of group called thrive s s that's where we have invested interest. Not only because we are black gay man that went through the link. Process. But as the thrive offers, transportation and housing services and driven says some three thousand members across the southeast turn to its online. Support group for advice on living with HIV. He pulls up a private Facebook page and reads a post about a specific drug. I go back for weeks to make sure it's working. Do anyone have any experiences on this pill and literally twenty seven comments later? It's someone now reassured in the process driven says thrive members also chat about bad experiences with healthcare providers. I actively remember walking into medical appointments where my doctors did not look me. And my I the not talk to me they talked at me Desa turnoff. He says one uncomfortable moment can be enough to keep someone from seeking care. Olivia. Shell co works with positive impact health centers a metro Atlanta HIV clinic, she says staff there, try not. To waste chances to engage with patients, if we're providing medical care, but missing those opportunities were not going to be successful with that patient getting people into treatment rapidly is a major strategy of the Trump administration's HIV plan at positive impact that starts with testing which happens in a small set of rooms just off the lobby. So, you know, education materials out here are condoms. We do the institute said the result of the media. These are just the test. If a test comes back positive, you can see a physician and leave with the prescription the same day all without leaving the clinic. I mean, we try to make sure there is a single bear that might be preventing you from not only seeking test to seeking treatment to getting your meds filled. But also after that when you get home coming compliant this one stop shop approach is crucial to curbing HIV transmission in the southeast here. Stigma racism in poverty, still keep people from seeking immediate treatment says Wendy Armstrong, she's with Emory University and runs the Grady HIV clinic and midtown Atlanta. It's a really important strategy because it away I think the show that the healthcare system is investing in an individual and saying we care about your house, and it is important to control your virus. Immediately. It may have taken Milan. Randolph a full year to seek treatment for his HIV. But he's glad he finally did. I've decided to live and I have decided that to do that. I will take this medication. I would go see a doctor because I want to help cartel the virus as it impacts, my community and impacts my state MS city public health officials want a lot more folks to get to that same place the centers for disease control and prevention says close to forty thousand new people receive HIV diagnoses each year for here. Now, I'm Sam Whitehead in Atlanta. Here now is production of NPR in WB. You are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Lisa Mullins. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is here.

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Max Headroom Broadcast Intrusion

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Max Headroom Broadcast Intrusion

"On january eighteenth. Two thousand eight. The church of scientology's web servers mysteriously shutdown. Anyone trying to reach the organization's main site was met with an error. Page people inside. The church scratched their heads. But a few observers knew exactly what was happening this was a coordinated and a legal de dos attack that acronym stands for distributed. Denial of service and action like this could only be performed by a large network of computers working in concert meaning. Someone had ambushed churches web server and overwhelm the system intentionally. In other words scientology had been rated by internet pirates. But those responsible weren't nearly as flamboyant as a group of high-seas freebooters they were the opposite. The coordinators of this attack were a gang of hackers. Who'd met internet rooms. A harbinger of the attack had previously surfaced on youtube. The video appeared to be a press release from a group known only as anonymous the clip featured the group's shadowy representative who claimed that scientology was stifling free speech anonymous would retaliate by banning. The church from the internet forever. The group didn't succeed in taking scientology offline permanently but they did prove that the wealthiest organizations couldn't protect themselves against did saboteurs. While this seems like a stunt. That could only happen in the internet age. History tells us that's far from the case anonymous was inspired by pranks and intrusions. That took place well before the web existed. Sometimes the perpetrators had message but other times their goal was to cause complete and utter chaos. Welcome to unexplained mysteries a spotify original from podcast. I'm your host molly. And i'm your host richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't know for answer every tuesday and thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. Today we're doing a one part episode on max headroom and the phenomenon of broadcast intrusions. These rare into legal pranks involved a hijacking of radio or satellite signals with mischievous intent. The most famous of these intrusions occurred in chicago in nineteen eighty seven. A profane prankster dressed as the character. Max headroom commandeered local airwaves. Not once but twice in a single night setting the stage for today's trolling culture. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by fan duel sportsbook. Don't just watch college basketball. Get in the action and shoot your shot with the fan. Duel sportsbook app. There's more ways to play the bracket all tournament. Long new users. Get your i bet. 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This episode is brought to you by better better mortgage makes getting a mortgage simple get pre-approved in as little as three minutes and close at ten days faster on average all online see today's rates at better dot com better mortgage corporation. Mls number three zero five one one. Three world trade center when seven. Five greenwich fifty nine four new york new york one zero zero zero seven. Equal housing lender not available in all states Nowadays the internet is home base for alien believers between reddit and youtube. You can find almost anyone or anything to support the idea of extraterrestrial life but back in nineteen seventy seven long before anyone could type. Ufo's into a search bar an alien race seemingly found us. It was five pm on november. Twenty six nine thousand nine hundred seventy seven a cold. Saturday found many families in southern england. Sitting at home some perched in front of the tv watching the news a local anchor. Andrew gardner described recent clashes between military and guerrilla soldiers in rhodesia. But as gardner continue talking. The television signal grew distorted. Then the sound dropped out. Those at home probably adjusted their antennae or gave their tv a good smack upside the base which seemed to work because the picture came back. But the audio didn't as a muted gardner continued. His report oblivious. Someone or something spoke over him. The voice was echoing and strange. It introduced itself as on and claim to be a representative of something called the ash tar galactic command drill on said that his group presumably composed of extraterrestrials had been watching humanity for years now he had a message for the people of earth he said that if humanity continued on a warlike path it would lead to disaster for the fledgling race so real on proposed a different fate instead he encouraged people to get rid of their quote. Weapons of and many felt that this was in reference to nuclear arms. Brillant went on to say that his race cared deeply about human beings. He encouraged viewers to live in natural harmony with earth suggesting that it was the only way toward a brighter future. Then the transmission ended the next day. England's newspapers weighed in on the event. They implied that the transmission created mass panic much like wells broadcast of war of the worlds in nineteen thirty eight but they were wrong. People were far more sensible. Most suspected that this was some sort of prank although it would have been fairly elaborate to pull off breaking into a tv network and hijacking a broadcast. Midstream was no easy feat in nineteen seventy seven. The independent broadcasting authority in english regulatory group agreed they launched an investigation into the hack but found no suspects but there were other telltale clues in the content of rolon speech clues that lead some to think that this was the work of an organization rather than a single person many suspected the campaign for nuclear disarmament. Or the cnd was behind the hoax. After all they had a similar message to rely on one of disarmament and peace. The cnn was founded by civilians in the nineteen fifties as a way to protest the rise of nuclear armament in the nineteen sixties. The organization's popularity waned when the vietnam war took over the headlines. But by the late seventies the anti-nuclear message had returned. So it's possible that whoever was behind the villain message use this as an opportunity to draw attention to their cause but to this day. No one has ever taken credit for the hoax. So the connection between brisson and the cnd is tenuous at best although the event did inspire other more mischievous intrusions ones that managed to defy new technologies when it aired in the seventies relaunched message was accessible to anyone tuned in with a television and a receiver but by the eighties. The method for broadcast distribution was starting to change. The tv industry now offered premium programming through something called cables giving rise to networks like hbo just after midnight on sunday april twenty seventh nineteen eighty six. Hbo played a movie called the falcon and the snowman throughout the united states. At approximately twelve thirty two am the picture just disappeared instead. A rainbow of bars faded in containing a short and cryptic message. It read quote good evening. Hbo from captain midnight. Twelve dollars and ninety five cents a month no way showtime slash movie channel. Beware this text stayed onscreen for approximately four minutes. Then the feed was cut in the falcon and the snowman resumed. But what did it all mean will in the years before this attack enthusiasts who owned a satellite dish were able to access premium cable channels like. Hbo for free. But when hbo wised up to this they scrambled their signals. So that hobbyists with dishes couldn't steal the feed with their own equipment. This baffled a lot of people with satellite dishes. They felt that since they paid for their own gear. They were entitled to free broadcasts and they were angry. Angry enough for someone masquerading as captain midnight to interrupt. Hbo's entire transmission with his protest. The event made news across the country. Many wondered how the captain had been able to hack into. Hbo's feed interrupt their programming. It certainly wasn't an easy thing to accomplish and it made the television powers that be furious. Hbo was out for blood. They worry that captain midnight might inspire numerous imitators and drive paying customers away. The networks needed to find captain midnight and prosecute him immediately. They urged the federal communications commission or fcc to investigate this signal hijacking. They even enlisted the fbi for hill. The federal inquiry ran for three months but captain midnight couldn't stand the pressure for long. He knew he couldn't afford a costly trial. It would be better for him to step forward and lift his metaphorical mask. Captain midnight revealed himself to be a twenty five year old average joe from florida. His name was john mcdougall and he was ready to plead guilty coming up. Captain midnight sets the stage for the most notorious intrusion to date high listeners. It's vanessa from podcast. If you haven't had a chance to check out my series mythology you don't know what you're missing heroes. Gods monsters and mayhem this podcast. Has it all every tuesday. 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In the mid twentieth century technology gave rise to a new phenomenon called broadcast hacking this technique allowed pirates like captain midnight to reach people with unauthorized messages. But it threatened the finances of large corporations like. Hbo were ready to fight back. When john macdougall revealed himself as the man behind captain midnight it actually elevated his anti authoritarian message which was exactly with the powers that be didn't want so they up their use of inflammatory rhetoric in the aftermath of the intrusion and executive named stephen sheltie accused captain midnight or rather john macdougall of quote video terrorism at the time solti was the vice president of showtime a premium channel. That was both a competitor and an imitator of hbo. Any threat against h. b. o. was also a threat against their own bottom line and it didn't help the captain. Midnight had one showtime specifically in his illegal message. The cable channels may have seen mcdougal's messages a threat but not everyone felt that way. Some people viewed him as a folk hero. Those who used personal satellite dishes to pirate content had been incensed when channels like hbo began scrambling their feeds making it. Impossible for them to tune into special programs for a lot of people mcdougal was there. Paul revere and his broadcast hat was there. Midnight ride in reality. Mcdougal had kids behind the protest. He owned a satellite dish company in florida when hbo cutoff free access. It hurt mcdougal's business. Big time still. The fcc didn't care that mcdougal's livelihood had been disrupted in there is. He was a criminal one who needed to be made. An example of for his sentence captain midnight was fined. Five thousand dollars in given a year's probation corporations were surprised by mcdougal's relatively minimal penalty to them. This was barely a slap on the wrist. Perhaps that's why months later the. Us congress passed a new law. It was called the electronic communications privacy act of nineteen eighty six and it specifically targeted. The crime that mcdougal had committed going forward anyone who hijacked a privately owned network satellite would be charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor but the law did little to deter people like captain midnight because a year later. The airwaves fell victim to an even more notorious prank. It was a cold november night in chicago. Sports commentator dan roan was reporting live on channel. Nine rhone was describing the chicago bears. Thirty two ten victory over the detroit. Lions that day but just as he was covering the football games with highlights the signal began to flicker then the screen went black anew. Figure faded in unlike the disembodied voices or cryptic messages in the past. This intruder was in the flesh and he was silent. The person was hunched over wearing the rubber mask of a blonde man with sunglasses. He was dressed in a cheap browns suit behind him. A crew piece of corrugated metal spun in a hypnotic twirl. The whole thing was strange to say the least. At the time who was well versed in obscure british television would have recognized the mask. It was that of a fictional character. Named max headroom. A computer generated a i and star of the max headroom show. Whoever was behind that mask demonstrated two things one. They were a fan of british oddball. Human and two. They knew how to do some difficult and illegal signal hijacking to give you some perspective channel. Nine's feed was broadcast from the john. Hancock center a hundred story tall skyscraper in order to override that signal. Someone would need to have a powerful enough transmitter aimed at this tower. So as max. Headroom bounced around on screen in silence technicians. Wgn studio scrambled to put a stop to the hack at last one of the channels engineers realized the only way to end. The intrusion was to change the frequency. The station was broadcasting on. Suddenly max headroom disappeared from the screen and dan. Ronan return the sports anchor. Who clearly been told about the intrusion laugh nervously then. He told viewers that he was just as confused about the interruption. Is they were. The whole affair lasted under a minute and it would've been a small item in the next day's paper if that was all that happened in chicago that night but it wasn't a few hours later max headroom struck again. This time. the victim was chicago's channel. Eleven a wholesome. Pbs affiliate that evening. The network was broadcasting an episode of doctor who a popular science fiction series as late night fans of the show tuned in the image of their beloved characters dissolved. And max headroom took their place this time. Things were a bit different now. The hacker had audio bewildered viewers watched as the masked figure uttered nonsensical and unsettling phrases. You vaguely mentioned the chicago. Sportscaster named chuck's whiskey a nineteen sixties cartoon named clutch cargo and coca-cola. Perhaps because the real max headroom was the soda spokesperson at the time. And if that wasn't strangely enough the hacker waved around a sex toy soon. The camera cut and a new scene began indicating that the hacker had prerecorded this bizarre presentation in this new angle. The figure in the mask bent over exposing his naked buttocks. Then a second person entered the frame it appeared to be a woman address although she was partially off screen regardless she proceeded to. Spank max headroom. Bear dairy air with a flyswatter. Meanwhile max continue to yell. Some pretty ludicrous things. Then his voice turned into a scream and the transmission cutout. The doctor who broadcast returned to chicago airwaves with the show's titular character musing about electricity. The whole thing was oddly. Synchronous stick but the network. Didn't feel that way chino. Eleven's phones rang off the hook with confused viewers. The next day reports about the intrusion appeared in local papers journalists speculated that max headroom would be caught and prosecuted to the full extent of the law however many citizens felt that the whole thing was a harmless prank but the local and federal governments disagreed as did the television networks. They were anxious about what innocent viewers might see if other more profane pranksters hack their feeds as a result the fcc and the fbi publicly vowed to track down the perpetrator and bring them to justice spokesman for the fcc reiterated the consequences for a crime like this a maximum monetary penalty of one hundred thousand dollars one year in jail. Or both max. Headroom was in big trouble. If only they could find him. The fcc's lead investigator at the time was a man named dr michael. Marcus and his first step was to understand how a tv network broadcasts its signal across city and how someone could have disrupted back in nineteen eighty seven. This process was relatively simple. I a- channel. Had to be made signaled a transmitters stationed atop any centrally located towers. Be they radio. Antennae or skyscrapers then accustomed customer tune their tv to that channel. Picking up the broadcast directly from said transmitter like magic. The image would appear on screen in their living room while la entertainment but if a signal pirate wanted to get in the middle of that it wasn't too hard according to marcus. Headroom didn't need expensive or large equipment to broadcast his own. Feed only took in a flat city like chicago was the roof of a mid sized building. Marcus surmised that the hacker went to this hypothetical roof and his equipment tv receivers which would have been stationed on towers in downtown chicago after that he transmitted his signal with enough power to temporarily overwhelm channel nine or eleven signal. Metaphorically it was like max. Headroom had the brighter flashlight. Marcus believed this was a relatively simple crime. Especially for someone with the right gear and technical know-how knowing that he wondered where did max headroom broadcasts originate using triangulation and good old fashioned math. Marcus figured out. The signals most likely came from the northern part of chicago. Of course that was a huge area and it was impossible to narrow down the suspects with that one clue so marcus turned his attention to another detail. The spinning metal backdrop. That max headroom used. It seemed to resemble a warehouse door. This lead marcus to believe video might have been filmed in a semi industrial depository now only had to do was search through warehouses in northern chicago. And see if perhaps someone in the broadcast community had taken a lease on one. But by the time. Marcus landed on this lead. The fcc's appetite for the investigation had cooled after all. This was a victimless crime. And the agency had already exhausted enough money and resources trying to find the perpetrator. It was time to put it to bed as a result. Marcus never found his man. Max headroom had gotten away with a felony but the public was just getting started on their own investigation coming up we scour the internet for the true identity of max headroom. This episode is brought to you by ever eve ever even knows how energizing it can be to change your look or just refresh it a little because when you're style matches your spirit. It can shift your outlook and light up your day. 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And when you donate plasma at bio life you can earn up to one thousand dollars in your first month as a token of appreciation for your time so please become a donor up via life visit vile life plasma dot com to schedule an appointment now back to the story in nineteen eighty seven a broadcast pirate in a max headroom mask perpetrated the most notorious signal intrusion to date but the authorities lacked enough evidence in willpower to ferret out a suspect that hasn't stopped amateurs from trying to solve the case on their own. A report on a website called unresolved named one candidate that was of particular interest in artist. Musician named eric bernier -fornia was born in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven nineteen years before the max headroom intrusion. He was raised near bloomington. Indiana just a few hours south of chicago illinois. In his youth. Eric was regarded as bright and creative with an aunt sense of humor in the mid eighties. He played in a few punk rock groups who performed in chicago regularly around the time of the intrusion. One of the band's called the blood. Farmers apparently borrowed some broadcast equipment from a local tv network. Supposedly they wanted to make a music video. The band meets told other friends that after they were done. They planned to release the recording illegally over the airwaves. Not the band dot cold feet. They realized that hijacking signal to broadcast their amateur music video would immediately expose them as the perpetrators after all. They'd be starring in it so according to rumour they formulated a plan b. They felt they should do something with the equipment they borrowed. This new project would be purposefully. Unsettling for eric four near it was a dream creation. A brainchild that led to the max headroom broadcast for near never claimed authorship but over the years rumors that it was him grew exponentially largely because of the art he made later in life in the mid nineteen ninety s four near left the punk rock scene to create surrealist art videos in these works he played a character named shay saint john a fashion model that had been disfigured in a car crash as the years went by. -fornia may dozens of short chaotic clips as saint john then in the early two thousands. He started uploading them to live journal a social networking site that has a digital diary from their his macabre video. Art conjured a cult following in his role as the maimed model for near twitched around the scenes. Talking in a disturbing high pitched voice in most of the pieces. The plot was thin to nonexistent. Instead the focus of the videos was the oven guard style of editing and forty years bizarre acting as the videos gain traction on the web many noted their similarities to the max headroom broadcasts both creations featured surrealist humor and a hyperactive character with a disturbing voice. Once people realized that fortier was in chicago at the time of the signal intrusions well internet sleuths were certain they'd found their man but those who knew him say otherwise four near died in two thousand ten of causes related to alcoholism so he can't respond to these rumors himself however someone did manage to track down a man named harry bergen a former member of the blood farmers bergen address. The max headroom rumors head. On in fact he used an expletive to describe the idea that fortier had anything to do with it in short. Bergen thought it was nonsense. He claimed that in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven four year wouldn't have had the technical know how to execute a broadcast intrusion plus according to bergen. They didn't actually have any av equipment. That was just a rumor. -fornia would have amused by the idea of being the anonymous hacker fortier wasn't the internet's only suspect in two thousand ten. A reddit. user named be pogue unmasked their own series in to chicago brothers. They claim to have met these brothers in the windy city in nineteen eighty seven. It was at a late night gathering in a small apartment. The reddit user was in their early teens and they were excited to hang out with a group of older kids from the chicago. Computer hacking seen these are the sort of people who felt at home with each other oddball nerds interested in things like monty python and the lord of the rings but there were two figures in particular that the ready user developed a fascination with brothers who's given pseudonyms r j and k j. in particular seemed peculiar he's described as having a strange sense of humor and boundless energy and that night mutual friends were overheard talking about j. They said he was planning to do something. Big our reddit user was able to determine what exactly the big thing was they could only gather that it was elicit but later that evening some of the friends grabbed a late night dinner at pizza hut as they sat chatting it was offhandedly suggested that they should all watch channel eleven later that night. The reddit user claims. They forgot about these instructions moments after they were given instead they went home no longer thinking about the two brothers j and k or the big things they had planned but they did flip on the tv out of habit and they did catch the infamous. Max headroom broadcast intrusion as it happens. Live from reasons can explain. They didn't put the clues together at the time that this could have been the brothers doing this took years but once they did they realized max. Headroom was actually j and k. It had to be so this person posted their theory on reddit. And they got some interesting responses. Another reddit user wrote into corroborate. The description of jane k is nerdy. Brothers interested in pranks. However this person didn't say whether they thought the brothers were involved in the illegal broadcast. Meanwhile this theory gained attention outside of read it as a result. The max headroom intrusion was brought back into the public lexicon and as the years passed the original reddit user continued their own investigation. They even traveled to chicago to interview some av professionals what they found surprised them. It seemed that their initial theory was impossible. It couldn't have been jay and k after all they learned that in nineteen eighty seven the equipment that would have allowed an amateur to hijack. A professional fooling broadcast didn't exist in ordinary person wouldn't have access to anything powerful enough to override network broadcast and yet max headroom managed to do so meaning. The only option left was that this was an inside job. Television professionals confirmed that. Whoever max headroom was he was almost certainly a chicago broadcast professional or at least he was closely tied to one. That's the only way he could have had access to the equipment and the technical know how to pull off the hijack by. That's about as much as could be concluded. And since these posts on reddit. No other convincing suspects have been brought to light. It seems max. Headroom trail has gone cold. Answer theories of our own. Well we agree that most likely culprit was chicago broadcast professional. Some kind. perhaps they were a disgruntled employee. Maybe there were just looking to have some fun or maybe they were just a twisted fan of max headroom but the perpetrator remains as mysterious. As the day. They burst onto the airwaves in their only motive appears to be utter chaos. As is the case with most hackers. Their power depends on their anonymity as does the longevity of their message. That is if they have a message regardless of who was behind the mask the max. Headroom intrusion inspired legions of so-called trolls and hackers. Today their playground of pranks just happens to be the internet. Among these groups is anonymous the same organization who managed to disable the website of a wealthy and powerful religion in doing so anonymous reached millions all around the world. Far more than max headroom did that november evening in chicago today. All you need to deliver your message across the planet is a computer. The table set by real on captain. Midnight and max. Headroom now has legions of internet hackers pulling up a chair and their pranks show no sign of stopping. Maybe if you're lucky you'll even witnessed one for yourself. thanks again. For tuning into unexplained mysteries we will be back next time with a new episode for more information on broadcast intrusions amongst the many sources we used. We found the article on the ready user. We now interrupt his car the message from the come on be still we charge or weapons on evil must be the time for conflict is now and the race of all may see stages always use your cells. Were to do this. You can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. The next time in remember never take. We don't no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries is a spotify original from podcast. It is executive produced by max and ron cutler. Sound design by russell. Nash with production assistance by ron shapiro. Carleen madden and travis clark. This episode of unexplained mysteries was written by nickolas with writing assistance by lori. Gottlieb and allie wicker. Back checking by kara macaroni. Lean and research by bradley clung unexplained mysteries stars molly. Brandenburg and richard rosner.

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Episode 253 - Flying High Once Again!

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Episode 253 - Flying High Once Again!

"Hundred dollar deck of cards I play Solitaire on that computer. The following program is produced by the talk radio network computers is ruining Iskandar Mutation in theater you know what I might as well about twenty acquires another company is you need to reestablish yourself as a person as an employee and you just show them your value the end so you're out of practice how are you I'm good I just I forgot my line well I mean I've never been through a I've never been through something like this before I've never been through a takeover and Z. This week he's on assignment yeah and that's the thing you know you guys both have been incredibly busy I know that you've been out for the last I want to say three weeks it's been you gotta prove myself again Yeah I've got a myself to them and say this is why you need to keep me around so that's kind of what happens when you get a company that comes in and we're here we're talking about the fact you weren't there when a company comes in like that and I consider you it's entertainment it's television but I consider back because that's kind of what you do I mean how how do they handle that is it just like hey we're taking over have a good day or is it really kind of a rollout process in my particular level of of Seniority I'm not privy to that information at this time I'm more of kind of the worker bee yet Mandy Taylor I'm Justin Lemme we have this show that talks about computers technology oh I got that one right yeah you get that and pretty much everything surrounding that plus the Internet people but different company and how did they let me ask you because we we actually mentioned that last week on the show we mentioned that the change that Tribune and all of that and this is the scary thing too when when a big company comes in and buys a smaller company and they spent a lot of money and you get excited thinking wow they're gonna put a lot of money into it I certainly agree that tribunal was a smaller company sure we only owned forty forty one maybe stations and the I'm thankful that I've been afforded the opportunity to stay with the company now I just need to prove myself and say this is why you gotTa keep me we know one of the big ones yeah no I mean yes it's been I don't know three weeks I've just been I've been busy my company's been going through some changes and working for a new company now I mean it's the same I do also feel very lucky that I've been able to maintain my position and I'm going to work for it I'm Gonna I you know I mean at this point in my career we've talked to you I don't even remember your name to be on Andy Yeah okay yeah that's how long I've been gone the check cleared write the check clear Oh yes yes I don't WanNa say takeover because that that kind of has a negative right isn't acquisition yeah it's so there's a lot of planning happening in the background yeah and when they come to me and say hey we need to get this done I'm like okay I'm on it you know you on it but I don't really know the big picture and that this this happens terms of a bigger company buying a smaller company I don't I don't necessarily agree with I mean I very much wrong but I don't Ashikaga New York City Los Angeles Denver Seattle New Orleans You know all these Miami we own a lot of big market stations they owned a lot of small and then you find out over time company just goes away and that that happens a lot to see that I wouldn't even necessarily say like intern it's kind of all one big Po- pary of tech well see I missing Sean because Sean now fits into that whole thing and then he you know I just I don't know he's lot in the tech world I mean let's face it will companies they get bought out all the time sometimes the purchases are huge and sometimes people this one I think this was a pretty big one this is like I think Gosh Darn I don't want to say it was like four point seven billion dollars yeah I think I want to say the good thing for you you've been there for a while and for now the good thing is the fact that you still have a job because a lot of times when this happens many times when this happens people get caught and yeah there has been some cuts tree whereas Nexstar who's the new company they owned like one hundred and forty four hundred and fifty stations we owned a lot of bigger markets new spoke for itself now again this is just my opinion you know I mean like I don't really know the details of it however I do know that now that we are one company ORCAS stations so in terms of sheer number of stations yes obvious absolutely they owned way more than we did but we owned and I think I think we're the largest broadcasting company in America yeah exactly and that that could be really good it's really good for my for my for my experience and my resume to say Tuck talk with Mike and Andy I was asked to be part of the consumer computer reseller news and computer reseller news was a publication hey I worked for next star I've been through that with radio with radio stations owning swallowed up by big companies we've seen that I was you know it's funny because actually still I believe they still have a website and the whole bit and they asked me to be like an adviser and talk about trends and technology and all that I don't know probably Mark Cuban Oh really and and the funny thing is back in the early days of talk radio and I'm thinking what it was dot com he sold broadcast dot Com yes for I think five point seven billion dollars yep he was doing and micro solutions rate and he ended up doing some stuff with it and selling it off and then of course started audio net broadcast aged think about companies like Amazon Apple Microsoft great where are they going to be in twenty years from now like twenty years ago this past week I was talking to a friend of mine they said WHO's the richest person you ever met and I was thinking about anything I've met a lot of rich people that have been well off honestly I would have to say it was oh you were talking about like you said AOL and Yahoo and Netscape and I trust me Justin I know there are people listening right now to this radio show that are oh man what a huge company who is and then you had aol they were fighting at it then you had netscape and you had all these companies are like wow the biggest companies in the world hill using Yahoo AOL email addresses absolutely you're still company well there's nothing wrong with that I mean it's emails email you know you don't want to change over but right they found me but I I said Okay and there was a couple of other people on the board one of them was mark Cuban and it was kind of cool and mark you had great success with his company that he you know I don't see anybody going to AOL dot com for their news nor do I see anybody go into Yahu Dot com for their news anymore I mean I'm sure there are people out there who do that but I think just technology has kind of put them out to pasture if you will if you will you might remember that Seinfeld episode where they had the Kenny Rogers roasters Seinfeld I'm joking I'm joking joking I'm joking strong presence huge in Japan exactly yahoo is huge in Japan Yahoo is where everybody gets their news and entertainment is Yahoo became something that we know today I can't remember really was I thought broadcast dot com became like Oh God take where are they now the exact where they were like my base my space member everybody talked about my space yet but now you think about this and our current did you did you ever have Kenny Rogers the did you did you ever eat Kenny Rogers Fried Chicken was roasted but there are huge in other parts of the world just the same yeah they're still in other parts of the world just the same as Yahoo may not be chicken right no I can't say I know who Kenny Rogers is I'm not that young okay but Kenny Rogers had this chain of chicken restaurants darn it all right let's go let's go to the Wikki all right all right now I brought to the services Japan yeah so there's still there's still a market for that but we're going back to two broadcast dot com they sold it for five point seven billion dollars in Yahoo stock it's and it can be different we'll take for example okay I'm just this is a weird example to us we're talking on tech show here Kenny Rogers roasters and you know languished for a little while while mark went off and did some other things it was Kinda cool and then it folded broadcast dot com with three hundred thirty people that and where it went but right now I guess broadcast dot Com and says the service became part of Yahoo Broadcast Services and they shut down its broadcast services pulled into Yahu young and that's when you know Yahoo was huge and I don't remember if you think back you remember Yahu and you think whatever you've got dish network you've got direct TV and then you got a lot of the small cable companies spectrum and charter and all these other smaller cable companies people are it worked out to about ten thousand dollars per user that that's crazy and then they got yahoo stock the whole bit so I I mean you can go online you can read all about how this happen dropping cable and satellite by the millions they are dropping quite a bit ause in the latest thing that's going on right now and this has become something that's gotten bit and so dish was like we're going to drop you and so they dropped us they dropped her immediately dropped all of tribune media from their airwaves and it it was about he decided to drop cable satellite I went over the air because over the air is free it's always been free it always will be free you get yourself dropped Fox sports F s one and a bunch of other like the faulk basically all of Fox they've dropped them because they're in a dispute over contra an HD antenna you put it in your window you connected to your TV you scan for the channels band you've got all of your local channels as long as you live within the the broadcast Radio Act well the same thing happened a couple years ago with my old company Tribune media they're they had a dispute on the contracts right so they had this big sign outside Kramer's apartment that would light Kenny Rogers roasters Kenny Kenny Rogers roasters huge I used to go to the one in palm desert all the time I think I I again I can't really speak to all the legal details about it but I'm pretty sure that tribune was offering them a certain amount of money saying this is fair market value occur than just television I mean they're putting this on billboards and and web advertisements and things about how dish comcast and direct TV have it's like buying my Vega when I first bought my vegas felt like I was spending five point seven billion but again think about about what's going to happen in the future like it's gone I mean I thought they thought they became something more like I thought they became like I don't know spotify or something like that I thought it was something crazy array of of a city you're going to have all your local channels if you live out in the urban areas then not so much but I personally chose at that point drop them and when I called in to cancel dish they were asking why do you want to cancel and I said well because I want my Fox and you guys are taking away my Fox and they tried to save me you know they're like well we'll give working for the we did they did they went away or did they merge into something that I also thought that they they went away and then I'm pretty sure broadcast dot com looked back I you know I tried to I honestly did try to cut the cord and I did it for what maybe seven eight months and I kept the Internet but I said Okay and CBS and NBC but I do not get ABC however if I rotate my antenna ninety degrees I get ABC but not fox CBS or NBC and they broadcast through the air if you think about in my situation Fox NBC and CBS they broadcast in a way for if you were to take your hand and just talk about four months that that we did not have any of tribus media on any of dishes platform and at it was at that point that I personally I am on me I'm not going to stay with your company and they're like okay and they just cancel my subscription and I've never looked back it's been almost three years and I have not and and the cable companies and actually I think at the time it was just dish Ray dish was saying no you're gonNA pay us more and tribune was like no we're not and then broadcasts dot com discontinued again that's coming up coming off wikipedia but I mean five point seven billion for something that doesn't even exist anymore wow that's crazy in suburban Tucson away yeah but I was disappointed because I like it was this which was still entertaining me TV which had I would want and the reception I would get out here was really that great and I mean I'm not in an area where you would think but the signals out here big Dan Yan rebranded themselves no I think they had five hundred seventy thousand users when it was sold for that amount of money and basically okay but but now if you go to broadcast dot com it automatically four Judy Yahoo Dot com yeah because Yahoo bottom yeah so it's still it's still a bit of I mean the services we're talking about television industry right and a lot of these companies now like you got comcast you've got you know we'll comcast is the big one NBC anniversary comcast try to go up and down in front of you they do that up and down but ABC goes left and right right take your arm and go left and right in front of you they go that way and that's because they don't want people to have to point their antennas different directions so a lot of times what will happen is you'll get a third party company to build the tower and then they rent the space they put their towers on top of like the sears tower and also the John Hancock Center because those are the tallest building in Chicago so they don't have mountains in Chicago a person has to have their own antenna but yes you will find one location usually the highest location in a town when it comes to something like Chicago right based on the the wave form that they use like if you think an I'm not trying to get too technical here but it's the wave form the R F wave form six months of this or six months of that and I'm like guys just save your voice okay I know you got a lot of these calls to go through right now because people are dropping you left and right don't even waste your time you tried rotating your antenna and I I know that sounds like a joke no no I get I get if I put my antenna one orientation I get a Fox I get continued broadcast dot com used to be the place to go and you would be able to get all kinds of content and audio content streaming audio you know there were one of the I do to it Tana's are located on a mountain or or Su there's one other one I came over exactly Cerita mountain or something like that but they're all based in one direction ah that old school still works the here's the thing you're going to have to find the direction to point now most cities all of their US and it says up to eighty six channels from twenty six over the air stations received at this location and old school and take it in ten put it on the side of the house up on the top of the roof would I be able to probably get most every absolutely see all the stations okay because I'm getting both the side band and the and the up and down or I I I'm I'm not an engineer so I can't really speak to the actual proper rabbit ears honeydew it's still is really honestly is so what I found is if I had my antenna at a forty five degree angle right I can pick up usually org I believe is what it is dot Org Ya yes antenna web dot org you can go there and you can type in your address I'm doing that right now really all of our antennas are located on the very first couple peaks of the front range of the rocky mountains so they call it lookout mountain and that's where most of our particular broadcast comes from so you WanNa get CBS NBC ABC and Fox Bam Lookout Mountain if you want to get all the other ones like the this to other people to to broadcast actually I take that back yeah it's not the microwave for actual broadcast transmission take your antenna that you have powered antenna right now when I say powered what is doing is it's basically amplifying the signal coming in so you may be getting channels you can possibly get but then if you scroll down even further you get a map of where they're broadcast antennas are located is really cool seeks signal to the antenna but as soon as it reaches the amplifier it becomes a fully used signal you could still probably do a nice fully tallest building so regardless what you WanNa do is you WanNa point your antenna that direction now there is a website call I want to say it's isn't it powered antenna and still get all of your channels I'd even stick one on the house if I could I mean the thing the thing with this pronouns for these but let me let me ask you this okay so so we get these antennas powered didn't sure they have these one if I was to go old school if I was to go web or discipline okay what what where to get him on the digital tuners that satellite okay if you have a satellite dish point what was it called antenna web probably behind a small mountain like a small not even a mountain but like more of like a a a hill or sign blocking some of that signal if you were to broadcast antennas are located usually on one mountain more they don't do that and to sign here well yeah actually they do really most of the and loved it the the food was great and one by one they started closing now most people you would say yeah we're killing Roger's roasters now and they're they're close they're gone then you might have to point him somewhere else those part lookout mountain is where you Wanna point this doesn't give me like Fox I'm sorry I gotTa Get Fox eleven that Station on so delivered via the Internet and you get they have a package that's fifty eight channels for twenty bucks a month which to me is pretty good I there's going to be a new major player in the streaming services industry right now coming out November seventh I believe that apple moon doe or or maybe I don't even know where PBS's Ad but like all the other the the lesser viewed stations Ogle most of my broadcast comes from the front range which is if you know Denver were basically just east of the rocky mountains right like and so but you can find real cheap you then be able to stream it but yeah gotta have good Internet to be able to do that let's let's talk a little bit about moving on you're talking about streaming services if you had cable you had a sling box you then go ahead and whatever you were watching on television you can stream it to your phone and be able to watch it that way well sling as kind of evolve oh I don't know you could do that and I'll tell you what channels you can get oh now that's Kinda cool you follow along at home if you WanNa do this here I'm doing right now type full address a guy got a K. WBA which is the is the what is it CW CDW. I get that I get PBS Marvel Movie You can watch it on Disney plus however for that alone it's only gonna be seven dollars a month right which is insane for thirteen dollars a month you can get the triple pack which is Disney Plus Espn Plus Ryan Hulu everything's Star Wars because again day they own star wars by you can also watch everything pixar you can also marvel marvel marvel movies ever and you get everything from any to AMC cartoon network TLC The one I like that I wanna get is access television because that's Oh Disney Disney Disney pluses coming out now for those of you who are not familiar with Disney plus so Disney basically is coming out with their own called and now what they do and this is kind of cool is you can pick and choose what channels you WanNa Watch and they do it in packages so you spend X. amount of money but I did find a new one you obviously is a major player in the streaming industry because they provide you with up-to-date TV shows all your favorite TV shows are going to be on Hulu I mean you think about your netflix subscription but that's that's dislike old stuff I mean old stuff whatever people already seen it however however action was sling and sling originally was thing where you could stream to your devices a channel to your your you know Internet and you could I heard of Filo final leaving no okay so Filo does a deal where it's how it works own streaming service that's going to include everything Disney owns from all of the Disney Movies Watch every single Disney movie on Disney plus you can also Marc Chandler now this is the thing that nobody had mentioned this when I cut the the the cord before I remember there was an option if I wanted to get more channels than that I've got to get Fox because of course record segments we do that right and I wanNA watch singer okay do you like the mass singer now you may not get him on the night they run you're going to get him the next day but you know chances are a lot of people nowadays they don't really watch things as while you're yeah well dude I live in Denver I get I get eighteen channels from From eight over here here's the thing now if you scroll down you'll see all the yes and you'll be able to watch Disney I think quick break we come back some great interesting discussion some big announcements this week we'll talk about that I mean detailer it's owned by Mark Cuban we bring him back full circle but also I D channel. IFC and the only thing that we're trying to figure out do they have an APP a lot of people that use Hulu for that they watch it the next day yes exactly but you're going to get ESPN which is a huge huge thing because honestly when you talk about cable and satellite subscription and you can only get espn if you subscribe to their mid tier packages brain which are gonNa be introductory price of twenty nine ninety nine a month which Disney owns Hulu as well as obviously they own espn how much extra is going to be thirteen dollars wow that's an extra six dollars a month you can have Hulu now who share with you and honestly it's funny because the first thing you said to me that you wanted to talk about was the big announcement this week and I was like good because I I haven't heard anything yet they happen they watch them on demand so they go back to their DVR's and they find out what they reported on Sunday night and they watch it on Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday but then if you have to have a smart TV or is it only watch okay so it's I scroll down watch a roku apple TV fire TV so with the Roku or fire TV this one yeah so Earlier this week Sony announced that they are going to release the I mean pretty much everybody knew they're going to do it I've heard people really excited about an announcement that Sony is made and I know that for our listeners that have consoles or Gamers you're GonNa love it alive you got ABC I could get NBC but again and Thirteen I get cable locks you're probably the problem with you is your I'm Justin let me you can find us on the web at Tech Talk Radio Dot Com we'll be right back now back to tech talk radio this is Mike Nelson from mystery Science Theater and rift track twenty so we still got a full year yeah I mean that's what they normally do they weren't they shoot themselves in the foot right now no I think that's actually I think and that whole first segment there was supposed to be something totally different way it goes man by the seat of our pants but we do have some great stuff cancelled Hulu get Disney plus then you get all of Disney all of his and Hulu for thirteen bucks a month right and then I'll be able to watch my ninety day fiances kind of funny Justin because we sat here for about fifteen twenty minutes before the show and we said okay Gosh I really WanNa talk about this today I WanNa talk about that so the antenna has to be rotated a certain angle to pick up that was like the old days have said it kind of is axs Dot Com and you're listening to the greatest show on the planet Tech Talk Radio Welcome back to talk radio just let me I made the Tiller it's it's really I should go out and try and for by myself a playstation for I don't know so the new console apparently is going to be released holiday twenty we're going to release the new generation of playstation called the playstation five obviously I mean they're not going to go with a new naming convention they're just going to keep doing what they're doing now is is this appointment well Sony could be making some sales because if I'm going to get him to play station four or just wait a year and give them a place yeah the cool do I know you're going to have to pay seventy nine nine thousand nine year so like now you get it for thirteen bucks a month ah thinking what are they doing for the holiday sales you're right maybe they should have announced it like in January or something or maybe we then we everybody had bought a place in four for Christmas the idea of having the Hulu thrown it because if you're paying Hulu separately which I am this would make sense yeah you so how `Bout you prefer Hulu right now with this who I think like maybe nine dollars yes yes me too I can't stand that show what do you really like that show I can't stand it man well you watch lifetime Yeah Hey Larry the cable guy and you're listening to talk radio welcome to another episode Tek Talk Radio uh-huh but maybe but actually maybe they will do some price reductions on it pay the Bucher Bucks for the five will be get the four yeah maybe that that might be what they're doing anyway but there's GonNa be some some obviously some new features with the playstation five away to slim it down and they're gonNA make the playstation five slim which again is just a money grab in my opinion to get people to buy the slim version yeah they've they've been doing this since the playstation two I do it's going to have a four K. BLU ray drive in it which I know that some other manufacturers have kind of walked away the rumble technology it's I'm not exactly sure how but it's going to give the controller a more realistic and lively experience so like if it's a bump I'm just gonNA DO BLU rays they're gonNA have upgraded SSD they're obviously going to have an upgraded graphics card upgraded processor things like that so innovation they're going to do is adaptive triggers you'll you'll be able to feel the physical sensation of shooting a gun on call of duty or from they've kind of gone away from that whole ability to do that four K. is kind of been promised land that we've been promised about how four K. is going to be so control of the controller will give you a little bit of feedback when you're doing certain games like if you have if you're near an explosion the controller will vibrate a little bit tell you that that movement might come from the right shoulder I guess there's an example of this on on on one particular website for example crashing into a wall five is going to be bigger than the playstation four standard edition rate because it's got more power behind it but then they're going to all will feel different than tackling player on the football field like so we're talking about the game controller right Yes yes sure sure which obviously is bigger because it has you know beefier graphics cards and stuff like that but I'm pretty sure they're gonNA find a way to to slim down two so I'm pretty sure that the place in player the feedback feels the same because it's just a rumble it's just a rumble in it but now this is supposed to make it feel different more lively how calm I guess not a bit well yeah they always do yeah I got the playstation four slim right and so that was that was a really really small version I mean you got the playstation four pro there's an explosion nearby or if you're getting if you're playing call of duty and you get shot control is going to rumble a little bit yeah so haptic feedback is going to be a little bit different you press the trigger and it just goes the actually GonNa make the trigger move and kind of push back on you night when when you do stuff safe there's GonNa be more details released soon but right now these are the things they announced last week are they going to be going with a smaller form factor of you had a chance to see that because I know like you look at the often tangent here but you really got to be careful about when you buy a TV that it is true for K. and not just ten eighty P with four K. upscaling because then awesome. TV's even though they say they do four K. it turns out they really don't they actually do four K. upscaling ready you really got to be careful and I know we're kind of get can be clinical also it's going to be equal friendly it's gonNA produce are gonNA produce or use excuse me much less energy in the playstation four also they're gonNA still not really getting the true quality of four K. so if playstation actually releases a true four K. player then you gotta make sure you pair it with a true four K. television now for anybody that's thinking okay I've got I've got all this money invested in ps four games you know why do I want xbox the the latest xbox one I think it is versus the previous xbox one x and you look at the previous one and it's like the base limited some of the places you're not real life yeah no yeah so like if you're playing a game currently and you crashed into a wall or you're playing a football game in you tackle the football elevated in off road vehicle through the unsteady tracks so I think what they mean by that is they're actually going to give feedback on the triggers now instead of just being ability another thing I want to mention playstation are a couple of weeks ago they announced this that now they are fully compatible with cross platform play ends on an xbox previously. You couldn't do that you could only be playing if you're on the same console and so now playstation has announced that they're fully backwards compatible backwards cross platform compatible with not only xbox but with switch oh there you go intendo switch which is awesome yeah it's it's funny because I was in the now for those of you don't know what that means if you've got one person on a playstation who wants to play with their buddy who's on an xbox and you're both playing call of duty let's even with playstation two and one you can do that but you can't play the discs they're just basically downloads right it's going at Microsoft is doing it with his previous xbox go out and party show they're gonNA do pretty sure GonNa do backward compatibility they just announced the playstation four right that it's now going to be backwards compatible with playstation three I think won't even think they have I don't think they even have a prototype out right now what you know what I mean they always go with small form factor after the initial 'cause you you look at the ten years ago great game I loved it I completed it I cried I laughed everything finally a little over a year ago thank the other day and there was a girl standing heck is a bank there was a girl Mr digital there was a girl standing next to me and talking to the teller and I heard turn your basically it's an old western version of grand theft auto instead of seeing cars you're stealing horses But they made red dead redemption about Oh they announced red debt or not announced they released red dead redemption to rate for the playstation and xbox now rockstars and going to go off on this thing okay red redemption with my favorite video game of all time is made by Rockstar the same company that made grand theft auto series but this game is set in the old of real dollars but people were pouring money into this game and then you get the modding community people that would take the games core engine and red dead redemption to and she said she says Oh Yeah I love that Neg Oh yeah but for the PC she looked kind of funny and the teller goes yeah they just announced it about video games and the whole bit and I said to her and I know you're you're gonNA you're GonNa be like Oh yeah yeah we haven't mentioned that but I turned and looked at her and I said you mentioned have you seen the switch I think she worked at Game Stop I think she was there like making a deposit or whatever for for the store and they were would design new games around it buzen the grand theft auto engine right and so they would release games like first responders where you basically you play the role of James Yes I'm pretty sure that playstation five is probably going to be backwards compatible because they're going to alienate a lot of their fans if they don't do backwards compassion frames a second would write a lot of people out there who may not understand technology that much thirty frames a second is not that great on your is because is top notch I mean they got top notch actors doing the voices the graphics are amazing however being on the console you are limited to thirty made more money on the PC then I think they did on any of the console's because people were playing grand theft auto online and they were buying these currency cards basically these it hadn't heard it yet so that's that's big news I am I am so aesthetic about this because okay red dead redemption to now you got me on a tangent of a of a police a firefighter or an ambulance but you're playing in the grand theft auto world all these really cool things came out from grand theft auto online right and I know that there's a lot of people out there that say the online community for grand theft auto is toxic a bunch of grief irs you got a bunch of hackers yet could transactions right now when I say micro transactions you're thinking oh a dollar here a dollar there no not really with with Rockstar it's more like ten fifty or one hundred Komo is that the always release for the consoles I yeah and they did the same thing for grand theft auto they released for the xbox playstation but what they did with grand theft so expansive it's got hundreds of hours of game play just in the single-story single player story alone you really live the life of the Kabwe the Voice Acting Okay I'm just I'm just throwing out college because it's a very popular game you can now play together whereas persons on a playstation one person. PC personally my pc is about twice as powerful as a playstation for pro. Exactly so I'm thinking I'm not going to have a that you're gonna get that so but the thing is I think rockstar learned from their mistake about never releasing red dead redemption actually was Gladio are this is Christopher Walken and you're listening to tech talk radio I just think they talk Kinda strange it's going to be wild not as November's fifth November fifth fifth but if you pre-order it now you're obviously going to get extra stuff with it because you're preorder but then there eventually I think maybe well it's just not get your eyes fatigued watching thirty frames a second with the PC launch they're they're capping it at sixty frames a second which is much preventing a red dead redemption to before the break Rockstar launched their own game launcher blizzard we know has won a lot of the origin steam takes thirty percent of all Prophet so that's how St makes money so if you really really really want him wake on your steam wait for December seven three when you run it but we're giving you free content for something of the Rockstar Yeah You preorder read-end wrench to on a pc you also get a free copy auto was they finally did release grand theft auto five on the PC about five years not no why years originalist never been out on the PC yes exactly same with red dead revolver now I never play read every revolver but anyway read every two is an amazing game our blog again they're just trying to finally get up to speed you know blog dot tech talk radio DOT COM with a new guy his name is Shawn Three you can pick from grand theft auto vice city L A noire you can pick from a bunch of other games out there that you can get for free if you preorder easier on the eyes 'cause they make sharp it's GonNa make a sharp it's GonNa make it smooth it's going to be a fluid everything's GonNa look so much better on the PC plus a few weeks after that it's going to be moving over to Dean theme yes now the reason they're doing it on their first platforms because they want to get all the prophets when they go to steam craziest this show come on look to talk radio I'm Eddie Taylor I'm Justin Lemme you could find on the worldwide web tech talk radio DOT COM L. Okay maybe fibers this with five year okay five years later they released for the pc not really knowing what was going to happen what ended up happening was has won so the nice thing about this is it gives you the ability to play your favorite game without having to have the CD all the time load up you know because you get your license for the I have no problem but yeah I do not like the controls on the playstation for I mean honestly I just could not get I I I can't do it on my smartphone ah the the iphone right I play the games I play are like tune blasts words with friends even though they had a big data breach those are the ones that play however the the soul trying to play redemption because I'm not that kind of guy that can fire a gun using this little live with a with a mouse and a keyboard bill if you love old western movies you're GonNa Love Red Dead Redemption to I take quick break we come back another big game that I know a lot of the older folk like me you WanNa play I'll tell you all about that coming up this is talk radio I'm Andy Taylor I'm just let me find us on facebook at facebook dot com force last Tucker's redneck now back detector Nice but With the launcher Roxanne I don't know if they're still doing this you go and you get the free launcher for Rockstar and they'll feed your ads and the whole bit they had they had pub g mobile for awhile I mean they still do and people still play it I mean there's still streamers out there that will stream pub g mobile Pudgy is a player unknowns battlegrounds it you said Noah November fifth member fifth this in December it will be okay they haven't announced an actual date on December November fifth on their own platform get it rockstar launcher which basically their own platform because they're releasing on their own platform I obviously they want to make the November fifth is when the over fifth or and all these other games are doing battle royale but Yeah I don't know I just don't like mobile games I don't like that like I said the only ones I play the easiest ones can well candy crush love Grand Theft Auto San Andreas which is an older version of grand theft auto but you also get two other games from their library you can pick from Max Payne I I played for the smartphone and I could figure it out okay so I will try that but apparently it's one of the biggest telling games but I have complained and that's called a goose simulator I've complained never played it but I mean I'm on their website right now it's called Goose Dot Game Ray and they have it for the PC MAC and also the Nintendo Sanaa I'm going to have to play the PC we're GONNA have a problem plainest now if you guys want to order you can do it right now if you owe if you go to Rockstar Dot com you can find the game you can download the new graphics are mind blowing well here's the big thing I was I was watching a review on this couple of nights ago on Youtube right and they were talking about how with this version there's no longer a need to buy texture pats like you know you could you could get the base game and then you could buy texture packs for your particular locale whether you live in any I am so happy for this and you know the thing is I don't know if you're big flight simulator fan I am but I mean now the we're gonNA keep him locked in the basement for a pain in the blog that's where he is right now actually Selena Simon I wasn't GonNa say a fun game though I liked that was actually that was a fun game now one of the ones I've been waiting for and how many times have I complain but first before we get into this I gotta tell you okay cool but also if you pre order you do get a lot of extra content within red dead redemption to that shows that you are a priori person I I had the hardest time with the three D. imaging so the maps are basically downloaded as you're flying through the area so you're going to see the real buildings even L. wanting to play the game so I downloaded it this morning as a matter of fact and I can't figure out how to play it I'm thinking I hope they have a peace keepers you because I can't do this biggest game that was moving this week is the new color duty mobile that people are doubting like crazy I just don't do you do that on a phone though I don't get it aim then you can go ahead and download game companies are fighting again they're fighting back against team they are in this what's it was seen as you buy games right off steam so I mean it's it's kind of the real buildings with the real logo on the side of them. Everything's going to be a realistic simulation an anomaly that like the weather oh my goodness Bolivia or you live in London or you live in Denver or whatever Tucson you don't have to buy texture packs because everything now is using bing maps about simulators that we don't have any good simulators and now we're finally getting thank you all been answered Microsoft Flight Simulator Twenty Twenty so much smartphone like it's supposed to walk around in and be mean to people in Hong Kong and do all this stuff but I can't get the goose to do anything I've like I said a couple of different reviews there's some early previews early reviews on Youtube one of the biggest guys out there right now I love this guy I've watched him later cockpit simulation so if you are one that likes gadgets like we are this will now enable you to have the full however channels not necessarily a simulation channel it's more of a comedy and it's not safe for work all the time definitely not safe for it just just strictly plays a flight simulator ten or whatever you WANNA call it but he usually plays as the air traffic controller role agreeance because you're gonNA find vendors that no that people want the realism there's a lot of armchair pilots that are listening that may be flu years ago that will hit your cockpit window and trick Lawf- all these little things that just make the

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Ep. 727 - The Left Just Had Their Worst Week Ever

The Andrew Klavan Show

46:37 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 727 - The Left Just Had Their Worst Week Ever

"These city of charlottesville virginia has voted to stop celebrating the birthday of thomas jefferson who lived in died there the move came just two years after the city elected its first bitter pandering mayor miss i panther bitterly miss literally told reporters quote giving the racist history of the united states it's not enough for bitter panders to be overrepresented in the news media and on twitter and then university administrations and then one of the two major political parties i will not rest until bitter pandering has become the standard for all human interactions throughout the land unquote virginia governor ralph northam applauded the move saying jefferson could not be forgiven for owning people the same color as he was when he was wearing black face and pictures in his med school yearbook in a statement delivered after arousing tap dancing seeing rendition of miami how i love you governor northam said quote as and occasional person person of color i want to express my solidarity for all the people were the same color i dressed up as an were oppressed by democrats wearing white sheets in a serious way not alaria sway me in my pals did it when i was taking those pictures unquote charlottesville was the scene of grotesque violence two years ago when hate groups commandeered a local dispute over a statue of robert e lee at the time donald trump suggesting if we started taking down statues of men likely we would soon move onto attacking founding fathers like washington and jefferson time magazine the huffington post rolling stone and the new york times a former newspaper all attack trump saying there could be no comparison between leaders in washington and jefferson until the left chose to make that comparison in its ongoing attempt to destroy the country only then would it be okay as mayor literally told reporters quote we will continue to destroy reverence for all historical figures with human flaws until people are morally 'perfect or country lies in ruins whichever comes first trigger warning i'm andrew klavan and this is andrew klavan show there's no such thing as if someone were saying oh all right welcome back hope you had a great july fourth weekend a little while ago i compared donald trump to randall patrick murphy the heroes euro ken keyes these great novel one flew over the cuckoo's nest maybe saudi oscar winning film with jack nicholson like murphy is not a good person he's a hard drinking hard fighting womanizing rouse about who just barely manages to avoid getting thrown in prison by claiming to be shane so he's committed to a psychiatric facility instead in that facility nick murphy finds a group of men who have been chemically and psychologically castrated by an evil nurse named nurse ratchet or hillary clinton there's something i can't remember what her name was exactly but this nurse claims to be acting for the good of all but his release exerting eight crippling control over the neurotic in her charge mcmurphy just by being a troublemaker he is tears nursery ratchets evil dominion to pieces and helps set some inmates free now i completely standby analysis trump is not altogether good guy who happens to be the necessary man of the moment he broke the soft mental tyranny of political correctness and the toxic sanctimony awoke leftism but once those chains have broken the question is what is the freed inmates do with their new freedom and what has been done to really impressed me fill me with fresh hope for our country is how terrific trump's deplorable followers have been in filling up the space he's he's made for them with a new birth of american patriotism the antitrump intellectuals on both the left and right were worried that the deplorables would lose their moral minds following trump they would start to behave like him go anywhere he went and excused anything you did essentially adopting his dodgy personal morality has their own and yet that has happened here and there but mostly trump has created a space of the deplorables the show who they are not the racist hate filled small minded rubes depicted by hollywood the news median universities but patriotic americans ready to celebrate what this country stands for and what it has accomplished into accomplished more in the coming days as the deplorable step up to make america great again the left in its increasing desperation and control the narrative being taken out of their hands you're showing itself and what it is a racist hate filled small minded bunch of rooms or more deplorable then the deplorables have ever been all of it reached a peak this independence day really did you know i've been saying for a long time you've heard me say this i'm sure a million times of donald trump has this magic power from making other people destroy themselves i noticed this immediately dreamy a you know they run up to the election the the primaries when he got other candidates they destroy themselves you remember marco rubio making those jokes about trump's hands and kind of descending the trunks level except what trump could do and get away with reveals couldn't it basically ended his campaign jeb bush trying to prove that he wasn't low energy jeb dry to make himself look dynamic and forceful and just made another full of himself that ended his campaign wasn't it ted cruz ted cruz is a brilliant guy but he thought he was gonna outsmart a donald trump my friend donald remember he was gonna wait and wait and all these other candidates were gone and all that meant was he was the last guy to get devoured trump didn't destroy them he just magic some into destroying the themselves it was kind of like this djeddai mind trick and after what's it been like two and a half years of these leftist news media the media democrat complex trying to strike trump down he has become more powerful than they could ever imagine he is the jetting djeddai guy who is now driven them all crazy at over the july fourth weekend it it was amazing it was amazing using what how the left show themselves what they showed himself to be i thought it was the worst week that the left has had since i can remember they just literally destroy themselves at trump's magic command basically and gonna talk about that we're gonna look at what happened over july fourth but first let's talk about a roman you know all through history powerful men guys rich men have been looking for ways to restore their sexual confidence all of us wanna be sexually confident we wanna communicate a with our wives and we wanna feel good about the sex lies with our wives fifty two percent of guys over the age of forty and twenty six percent under forty experience a reptile dysfunction i did not know that you know this is interesting studies show that seventy seventy percent of men who experienced e d don't get treated for why they're embarrassed that's where our friends at roman come in roman created an easy way to get checked out by a doctor and get treated e d on 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and it's it's a great thing trump being extravaganza so so the the press acts like this is never happened before a that guy from the washington post eugene peterson i think his name is he says oh this is never never happened before it's never happened now i just wanna tell you back in nineteen eighty six i wasn't news writer for a radio station name w all w or in new york and they reopened a descent tannery of deemed statue of liberty i believe and they reopened it and it was an extravaganza like nothing you've ever seen i was there i was out on liberty island i was watching from the news booth a there were three days of celebration the third the fourth and the fifth there were sale a big sale boats coming down the river in the in new york harbor there were battleships coming by fireworks i mean wish you and ronald reagan spoke from the battleship by the uss iowa i believe it was while he was watching this parade battleships going down here's a clip of ronald reagan speaking on the fourth of july nineteen eighty six i was there seventy six men came forward signed the parched her giving his noted the times they pledged their live as their fortunes and their sacred honors that has more the rhetoric in each of those men knew the penalty hide trees around we must all hang together benjamin franklin said or surely we will all hang separately john hancock center wrote his signature in large script so king george could see it without us spectacles they were great they say rates we're all a bunch of the coming years their courage created a nation built on a universal acclaim the human dignity on the proposition that every man woman and child at her right to a future freedom now remember i wasn't the press corps at this time i was a news writer i remember i wrote eight eight league which made a big splash because they realize it and he said the statue true of liberty and independence and it says her torches imprisoned lightning and i said something like today that lightning struck again and i remember the guys who ran the radio station stood up in the front row and gave me these two big thumbs up for that in great leaders but i delivered the press love this we prepare for weeks to cover this thing we love the we thought it was great it was a big event it was a patriotic it gave us something the cover and the doldrums of the summer and it was just you know to tremendous pro american event down let me show the press which has become the most corrupt enemy of the people who could possibly be let me show you from my friends at newsbusters how they covered a the july fourth parade donald trump is gonna give but this is before it even happens cut number seven hijack the nation's previously nonpartisan fourth of july celebration is this just norm defying or is there anything dangerous about it's just the scene in the speech is gonna be dreadful they're gonna they're confederate flags flying in their license plates and all kinds of trouble making he will hear criticism of his critics you will hear a celebration of self there'll be a lot of other people are gonna meet like in a storm and you're gonna have a real conflict there's all kinds of potassium phase they're not sure if the bridges over the potomac can handle the tanks he's turning traditionally nonpartisan event trump focus campaign style rally sure looks like he hurt his reelection rally on public space donald trump's campaign rally in washington paid for by american taxpayer a campaign event some kind of a campaign speech a political rally partisan in fact combination trump rally and kim jong own style military the president's vision bears closer resemblance to the chest thumping displays put on by authoritarian regimes the kind of military display the we were used to seeing from the soviet union i'm thinking red square 'em north korea feature hope for violence would be of course treason is not to expect it would be naive 'cause i'm gonna collapse lebron's won't fall down there'll be biologist gentleman square i mean some of them bc what gonna expect from them but maggie haberman of the new york times clinton clinton operative lose now the white house correspondents and the new york times she she she is this what he's gonna do you gonna criticizes opponents he's gonna end it's gonna be a campaign rally i mean all of that shows you all that shows you is the difference between nineteen eightysix now which is not the country is not donald trump it's the press and the press which destroyed by brock obama by covering up for brock obama like covering up the scandals and unconstitutional behavioral brock obama by they're racist their racial ufology because they could not report i honestly on the first holy african american resident they couldn't report honestly it destroyed what was left of the honesty of the press in the press is now gone that's the press and i'm telling you i was there nineteen eighty six we love that celebration of course we did we love their country they were all liberals then everybody in the press is liberal than but they love the country supportive they hated reagan they thought rain with a terrible guy but they love their country and they love the flag waving in the fireworks in the whole thing and the battleship coming by and all that stuff and it was not no talk about us being militaristic not that i recall anything like that is certainly not in the mainstream stream press like what you're watching their let me pause but just the sec and talk about a teeter you know i've i've told you is for the years of i've been in outdoorsman all my life have fallen off cliffs i falling water skis fault in just about everywhere and i've got a lot of pain in my arm and my shoulder if you hang upside down it is a great way to decompress the back and get rid of backed by a back pain decompressing teeter inversion table for a few minutes a day is a great addition released anyone's daily routine and to maintain a healthy spine an 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let's look at the the fact that that's how the news covering what what's going to happen the bridge was gonna collapse it was gonna be a campaign speech everything's gonna fall apart let us now cover a little bit of trump's speech which completely nonpartisan completely pletely patriotic and really on point very touching to as we gather this evening in the joy of freedom we remember that all share it truly extraordinary heritage together we are part of one of the greatest stories ever told the story of america it is they epic tale of it gradation who is people at risk everything for what they know is right and what they know is true it is the chronicles of brave citizens who never give up on the dream of better and brighter future and it is the saga of thirteen separate colonies that united to form the most just end virtuous republican ever conceived on this day two hundred and forty three years ago our founding fathers pledge their lived their fortunes their sacred honor to declare independence and defend a god god given rights so that's trump is making bakes basically the same speech reagan make what what are we going to say the same thing we should remember all the time these guys pledged their honor and their live and his ben franklin said if we don't hang together all gonna hang separately and they would have by putting their names on that paper and that's why john adams a john hancock became such a by word 'cause he signed such a big 'em signature on the on the declaration that was his death warrant he was signing his death warrant a they all and it's an amazing thing they did that so we could be free and we had been framed in freer than any people ever before show free people imitate us even the people who don't imitate us like the soviet union had to pretend imitators they had the call themselves the union of soviet socialist republics why did they do that they went republics they were slave states why do they call that because we had become the standard for freedom and prosperity in power in the world that's why they did it they had a lie about it to be like us just seemed to be like us that's what trump did here's the press reacted this justice election phil mudd grazing phil mudd from cnn reacting the trump's speech and the and the parade well let's see let me be subtle here at a professional level twentyfive years and national security i hated at a personal level i hated it more let me tell you something when we're in the midst of july fourth after after nine eleven when i was at the cia i thought we were celebrating the defensive ideal the right to lift free and fair the right deliver according to those documents that are founding fathers established the right type of every person every citizen this country to pretend like they could be president's the rights of economic opportunity i didn't realize were fighting for the chance to pay for guns for weapons i did national security i thought this this about ideals and now we've made it about the military that's not what the founding fathers gave us they gave us the gift of ideals at a personal level excuse me but now we have the super bowl is invaded by politics players kneeling the women's world cup is invaded by politics a dispute about whether women go the white house we have a stupid dispute by of politics this week about whether nike puts a flag on a shoe could we actually have a day with hamburgers hotdogs and a few beers without a politician please one day and now we can't because now we got politician saying let's celebrate guns and aircraft forget about the founding fathers who talked about being cautious with a standing military guys are so insightful he didn't even watch the parade in and listen to the speech he could have made that speech before is it but not after you know what i mean he just they were paying attention they all think the same thing they all believe the same thing they all know they have to show up and serve their corporate masters 'cause that's what they're doing if you wonder if you wonder why the news media why these people don't like look in the mirror and say you know what i'm lying to people on just selling my own opinions why then remember wake up is because if the corporate media convince just two percent three percent of ignorant is ill informed voters that this is the truth they've done what they need to do they've done their job that's what they're after their after the big government the supports big business that is what they do that is why these corporations who ploy these guys who just all think the same thing and we'd never input i would like the seas truly truly i would like the c one person in a position of editorial authority who voted for donald trump just one so now here's the thing trump by not caring by striking back at the news media by brushing aside accusations of racism we've all heard of doesn't even if he doesn't apologize he doesn't make excuses he doesn't explain they don't ask them to explain he knows they don't cause they wanna be able to interpret his speeches is racist and say he's a racist if they actually asking straight out they'll find out he's not but they don't wanna do that they just reinterpret interpret what he says by ignoring them by dean the belligerent not very nice randall patrick murphy type it he is he's created a space for people who are much better than he is for people who are much better than the left and the deplorables who showed up any show pictures show the pictures and these people they're all different colors they're all i'm sure they're all different religions they're waving flags are having a good time they're celebrating this is not politics this is celebrating you see a the founding fathers celebrating their ideas made the country yes celebrating the military the military is you know we don't we never limit piece we always leave under threat we always leave under the threat of violence when you go dizzy opera when you watch tv when you're with her boyfriend or girlfriend that's because people standing on the border defending you standing out in dangerous places defending using this is always a good thing to remember a military and pay tribute to a military that has almost two hundred and fifty years been subject to the civilian authority which is not true in a lot of places it's it is there's nothing wrong with celebrating a celebrating the military on july fourth all of this all of this is beautiful in the end the fact i know this country is so full of different kinds of people all of them celebrating this idea trump has made a place for them to do that again after fifteen years of art antiamerican media and let's just look for a minute at the protesters who were out there and i tried it will will will talk about what what led up to this but here the protesters out there and play this role wait a minute american was we are doing show that show that from from why do i bring you the burning the flag if you can't see it there shantytown channing two four six eight america was never great out there attacking police officers attacking anybody in a mega cap i sometimes the mega cap people were trying to defend the flag as well which i do wanna be on which world do you wanna limit which america do you wanna which americans anyone wanna limit and nobody ever depressed never ever asked the least people the question if you don't love the country if you ate the country why should we trust you to do anything to it why should we put to empower of a country you hate you're only gonna destroy it you know my pal john multi over breitbart he wrote a piece of echoed the piece i wrote for the the daily wire i mean we wrote 'em it's almost the same time the democrats just had their worst week in forty seven years he not since the nineteen seventies through discovery the george mcgovern vice presidential pick thomas eagles and had been hospitalized and given electroshock treatments have the democrats worst week then the one we just concluded because democrats with on social media and watch cnn they know this yet but they had a catastrophic week who boy did they ever i agree with multi completely he says let us count the ways the fake news media is only shrinking institution in america is booming economy before twenty nineteen is over says there will be upwards of twelve thousand job cuts which indie american media that's twelve thousand fewer democrat footsoldiers twelve thousand fewer propagandist serial liar cheerleaders and toadies hold antifreeze jacket as need be elderly trump supporters borders the death of course and by the way if you noticed it all these anti fa geyser white and a lot of the people they attack or minorities have you noticed that not just know the anti nosy a journalist but but also like a lot of like when a black guy walks by with a mega hat these white guys in masks attack and then that's supposed to be antifascists you know michelle obama gave an interview with get to gayle king saying you know they kind of a train me as an angry black woman people say michelle obama's gonna entity democrat a race and will win if she does i don't know whether i there those things are true but she says they've tried betray me isn't angry black woman and then proceeds to get angry over trump's inauguration in how awful it was for her just sit there during inauguration gration gail kings response i sit in that audience one of a handful of people of color and then listen to that speech end all that i had sort of held onto for eight years watching my husband been getting raked over the coals feeling like we had to do everything perfectly no no scandal no no no no no i i think it was like lot emotionally so by the time i got on that plane was a release it was on a release of the eight years of having to try to show up as we all know we have to do we have to show up now not only perfectly but better so what you saw there was not just michelle obama and you saw with gayle king this is the pressure right saying yeah no scandals there is no been ghazi there was no fast and furious there is no wire hire a scandal is just didn't exist 'cause we didn't see the is destroyed the press this is why the press has no credibility this is why as no points out in his article they're losing jobs when everybody else is hiring all over the place a number two he says democrats lost the same one joe biden he says joke slow joe will always be the stupid one the gaffe machine on the verge of imploding but he has now openly embraced gun confiscation taxpayer funded abortions the banning of every gun in the currently being manufactured raising everyone's taxes and putting into deportation because he has no center a biden has no moral center politically at least on he he'll just do what he has to do to get elected so he's lost his whole his whole reason for being there it nobody goes on says democrats handled the fourth of july the trump we pointed that out democrats cannot against the american flag the betsy ross flags is john nobody you know that adorable little flag with thirteen stars in a circle democrats hate that now the great thing is no joke we now at democrat presidential kansas arguing he american flag the most potent symbol for freedom and liberty in the history of mankind is a symbol of oppression this is you know randall patrick mccaw trump's magic ability to make people destroy themselves what we saw when he went up against marco rubio ted cruz and m a n jeb bush is now like exploded into this djeddai power that is taken over the entire left they're coming out against native american flag soon it's gonna be mom you know mama's read if you like your mom that's racist if you like apple pie apple pie and they're finished eight every good thing in the world somebody said to me the other day every joy that we get in life the joy of being men and being women the joy of a romance and all they destroy everything they wanna destroy all of it i you know it's an interesting a campaign strategy will see how far they get a nobody goes on democrats are compete campaigning for votes in mexico says not new next mexico mexico matt mexico for those wondering why democrats want a flood this country with the legal immigrants i give you these fiercely heterosexual cory booker and the fake hispanic patio ward both of them went looking for votes in another country in mexico says democrat presidential candidates are documented extremist he said he puts out of a list of left wing lunacy the bottomless list of threats promises made by these candidates include gun confiscation open borders legalizing abortion up until the fetus registers college government funded health insurance through legal aliens slavery reparations on and on also he talks about the jobs trump at another great job report a two hundred and twenty four thousand jobs created last month you know it's it's just amazing thing said this couldn't happen on the stock market is still doing great a he says cherokee warren and kamala forced busing harris are now presidential front runners which isn't good trump has made these people destroy themselves there is simply no no question about it he has really put them in a bind and he's basically been show themselves for who they are i'm gonna talk about this a little bit more at the end of the show some of the some of the underlying things reasons for this why this is happening and why it works works so well but we have a michael moles is out of town i don't know if that's connected to be jeffrey epstein arrest is probably just a coincidence that she was arrested and knows blue town but we just a joke justin joe we have christian toto photo with us to discuss films always love talking to christian toto that's gonna be after we break from facebook and you to come to daily wire dot com and subscribe it's a lousy ten bucks a month a lousy hundred bucks for the year the most important thing about this is that that money he is in now when your hands it should be in our hands because we want it so come on over the daily wire dot com all right christian toto we love having a montage in a ward ward winning journalist film critic and podcast her he's the founder of hollywood in toto dot com which i think you should really go over he has really interesting articles will talk about some of them today is host of the weekly hollywood in toto each ity podcast which offers right central perspective entertainment news which is much needed question how you doing i'm good how are you all right how is your fourth excellent i'm still laughing at all you're commentary less fucked up right now you're doing a wonderful job and they don't oh thank you very much but you're right i feel guilty because it does right you know like i sometimes sending my satire to the daily wire and say i'm not sure i should be paid for this but it's so you know i there a couple of things i wanna talk to you about let's start with this list then you put out which made me laugh a deep the worst movies of twenty nineteen six months early and i after i i wanna talk about this because i have not been to i i love going to the movies and i don't think i've been unable to move in two months and i look every weekend i say what's plane and i don't go give us let's take a look at some of those things you you talked about here's serenity is the first one a this is this is matthew mcconnahey i didn't see what is it about dawn to find out if it's a movie that's so bad i think maybe two or three years maybe even sooner it'll become either a drinking game or eight you know how the room the room that midnight showing showing where you go there at laugh at it is i think this could be the new one this could be it it he's a guy he's gonna vote he's got a kid is a romance here it's all horrible and you know it it goes from broke it's just it's horrible from stem to stern is amazing and a you know when you have to oscar winners here to beautiful oscar winners what is he thinking this will do is gonna be released and they kind of pushed around the schedule and it came out around january which is a horrible sign so up if you wanna watch it as a movie don't do that if you want friends over and watch it as a comedy i kinda recommended now you you you mentioned mitch it is called mid summer is that how you pronounce it i think i think the director said mid similar mitt tomorrow right now i was interested in this because this guy put out this don't hereditary and it got great reviews and i don't have to admit i don't like horror i don't like gore but i do like scary movies like eerie movies and all this i hated hereditary i you know i thought it was stylish i wish a you know the actors were certainly more then talented but it was just grotesque i mean i i there's not one of my favorite films and they're they're they're big building up this one too yeah you know i liked it more than you did it was very defensive for sure but this is a movie where it's two hours and twenty minutes i think and it could have been told an hour and a half now when you have a slasher movie you don't care if the characters withstand the plot is makes sense but this is eight cerebal rebuild horror movies will be kind of a better so the upper notch kind of a situation it is boring you know all the beats ahead of time and there were scenes that go on and on and on and i'm thinking i'm screamingly defined the point and i i just couldn't see it's a very bad very adult movie isn't has it got any i mean that's the one thing about hereditary it had that one scene in the car which was i like i'm sorry i watched it because i don't want that stuff in my head anymore i'm just too old my head but it was in an incredibly horrific scene brilliantly done i have to admitted you know it doesn't have anything like that in mid movie there's a couple of moments that are close to that that one i agree was i mean i i felt like twenty minutes after i saw that scene i'm still thinking about yes she couldn't get out of it so it's got something similar i guess you could say but if you hated hereditary oh you're gonna find leaving it all right so give me give me some more what other terrible pictures i heard about godzilla everybody in that one but yeah you don't want even at the film critic should not be put it on my were let's 'cause it's it's godzilla it's you know it's not citizen kane but when you take a bunch of really good actors and you insult thumbs up dramatically like how chandler and beer for mega then it deserves that also the dead don't die little damage really looking forward to zombie comedy bill marie adam drivers tilda swinton great cast is a deadly dell it's droll but without the humor and that's a horrible combination did you hear me i'm i'm a bill murray fan i think he's really funny i mean he's a talent not just the talented actor he's one of the very few funny actors around and he got slammed by a is his name the canadian actor a who is in what about bob with him a no response yet richard right and you called him a big irish bullies said he got drunk and a terrorized among the sat and all that stuff it was kind of it kind of came in when they disappeared without a trace but it was a real take down i didn't see that and it's kind of a cult around the mary like a pop up that wedding announced and he'll take pictures of strangers and if you wanna get him to you're movie yet the call this special number he's just he's almost professional eccentric so i think maybe that swarmed that little bit of news 'cause i didn't hear it while in it you know i was overseas maybe they played it up there and and not here but it was really a it was really shocking shocking little interview and he just threw it away so let's move onto another subject is really bugging me which is disney live action remakes a will start there my my daughter faith more wrote a book called saving cinderella about other misinterpretation of disney princesses and they seem to be taking classic cartoon movies the you know the little mermaid beauty and the beast and turning them into live action mediocrity to political correctness is that a fair description i think it's it's certainly in the ballpark here's the thing disney right now is the number one brand in entertainment and they've got dmc you they've got pixar they had this whole library they could play with it like it's a playground and they could put the themes and they want in raw gonna lineup because it's still beauty and the beast it's still milan it's still a latin so i think that their brand is so strong in their connection with your audience is so profound that they can do what they want they could they could make eight woke captain captain marvel and people will line up the see it for weeks on end so i think that's their strength at the moment and i think they've got decades of goodwill so i think they can do what they want that's my sensitive but at some point i mean somebody i i haven't gone to see i i started to watch i watch beauty and the beast which i thought was was fine a although she was such a nasty beauty that i just i couldn't get it just seemed angering the entire time but but i heard like for instance in a latin they cut out the scene scene where her the princesses a hand is about to be cut off a they she no longer has to be married she could become the salt and it's become this woke nonsense yeah i mean this is entertainment culture they don't hear us they don't listen to us they don't care about us they hear what they wanna hear which is the community within the hollywood bubble and that's way they they i mean they regret movie they made five years ago i've seen seth rogan and jonah hill is saying oh sorry about super bad it wasn't his woke as it should have been no it was funny yeah you shouldn't have l a judge for that we're okay with that we can survive a comedy with characters who are maybe a out of balance it's what it's what comedy is all about so i think within that community there's this desperate striving to virtue signal and what do they do they got their entire entertainment venue to use it so they they weaponized content just send a message to break people on the right end to get woke it's what's what's happening it's it's inescapable at this point the thing that disturbs me more than even remakes the written the it's it's sad take these classics and tournament the garbage but they went back into a toy story soon i now i i didn't i couldn't do you know we've seen they cut out they cut out front this story to right yeah you know it's it's a scene it plays i think wilder credits roll you know they often little little little extra information in that in those moments and after seeing a niece drag it was one of those bits and listen if you saw at ten twenty years ago you're not gonna remember at all it's just a throwaway gag but what's amazing about disney is they did it without any controversy there is no mob demanding they cut that scene i think they did it themselves so i think the thought process is so ingrained did they will self sensor without even a number i mean and that's where we are it doesn't even have like a twitter fight where people you know cut the scene is trending on twitter it's oh my gosh we had that moment it doesn't fit in with the times so we should cut it now so future generations were spared that scene but just rosser delicate but it it means that i mean since since most of us don't own dvd's anymore we stream things it means we're not going to be i mean if they go back and you know cut out a snow white singing sunday my prince will come because that's not woken up we were gonna have no recourse were gonna have no way to reclaim what was in fact a classic movie yeah it it's a it's a good argument from physical media for sure in you know we engage in debate it seems like oh you're it's the sky is falling it's crazy but no look what's going on look at the statues being removed the murals being covered up were trying to a race so much instead of explaining the context and that joke is so innocuous and the kids you're not gonna get it and the parents will just chocolate what will you know what it wasn't joe pick it up a little bit of a casting couch thing with the villain of the piece was sort of leering at one of the girls any listen it's toy story it's g rated i'm sure yeah something bad there but that's just the way we coming as a culture it's amazing meanwhile pixar had the guy at the top of the top who is sexually harassing is co workers of course of course you know all this stuff always covers that stuff i know you know i i've been i've been talking about this all the time about all the disney stars have gone off the rails sales what the hell are they doing to those kids that makes him go crazy after a while i mean i think there's all always the woke woke sensibility covers up something much worse than than what they're actually afraid of you know and yeah i liked the hollywood reporter or variety doing indepth story about that about the holly you pour girls going to hack and i just it's indescribable let's connect some dots let's go behind the scenes but you almost think they don't wanna burn their sources they got people a team disney maybe they don't they need that she joins me oh under at in their ads i mean a lot of these you know like ellie times lives lost hollywood ads they're not gonna anyway i gotta stop but it's great to see a christian christian toto of a hollywood in toto dot com check it out the weekly hollywood in toto each ity podcast it's great to see you buddy in a well thought like keep laughing all right i a final reflector i wanna talk about a what what these deplorables are doing that is so important one of the things that jim notice is they attack on shame on the very idea of shame shame itself is supposed to become a problem there is a piece in the philadelphia enquirer a tight end fat phobia we need to dismantle western civilization says philly therapists sonali raw shot war alright washout wore a is she is she hadn't planned being the therapists district career path she explained a the practice she cones in west philadelphia just kind of happened you see the picture she's overweight a she says she endorsed abusive relationship in her early twenties after college she started volunteering for domestic violence response teams a she says all my work is better understand what i've experienced as she's become part of what is called fat positivity movement and she says 'em rushmore traces contemporary fat phobia to colonial brutality and how in slaved people were treated citing researcher advocate caliber luna russia to are said curing antifa fatness would mean dismantling societies foundation i love to talk about undoing western civilization because it's just so romantic to me so in other words instead of just stop you know not stuffing her face and get in shape were supposedly get rid of mozart and shakespeare and michelangelo and all the great achievements of western civilization is deep attack on shame idea isn't attack on the idea that there is immoral templates a human templates that we all feel bad when we a we veer away when we veer away from that template we feel bad we feel shame that is shame is a gift guilt is get the tells us when we have lost our way all of us all of us veer from this templates all men no they're supposed to be strong and courageous all men all men even navy seals noted there are ways in which they're not as strong as they should be not as courageous is they should be all women know that they're supposed to be nurturing and tender all women know that they fail at this sometimes they're not the ladies they wish they were in some deep part of their mind and there's no getting rid of that shame and what the left is saying what these people are saying is if only we could get rid of the society we would get rid of the shame this woman is coming right out and saying that if we could get rid of western civilization i would no longer feel bad for dean fat and that of course is why that templates is built in to the human system and when you believe in god and when you believe there is that we are not just inventing morality were not just inventing a these templates were ashley receiving the more learning to see the ball to see the moral world we've also seen these templates and sure they change in good looks change and all these things but at the core at the core there is a moral core and moral templates when we veer from we feel ashamed and so they they want to destroy all these things if they feel ashamed about being a slut don't slut shaming nobody's slut shaming and you feel bad because you know you're not supposed to be a slushy a slut don't fat shaming and nobody's shaming you feel bad because it's unhealthy the act that way you're out of control and the way you treat yourself you need to lose a little bit of weight they do not wanna take responsibilities of himself so they pilot on everybody else weirdly weirdly what trump has done has allowed that vision to come back into the public square and we consume the reason the reason they don't want cheering happy many people waving american flags is because we all know that's the way were supposed to be we all know that those people were supposed to be you could be black and white it'd be game could be asian you do whatever you want but we all know that were supposed to be love a country that has made us free and prosperous and powerful we should love this country we all know it and because the left is seeking to get away from that shame to get away from the god who is impose those templates which created that moral templates they want to destroy the entire civilization rather than face the shame and i really do think that is at the core of it donald trump doesn't know anything about this he doesn't think about this stuff he just knows that he is not going to be taken down by their insults he's not gonna be called racist he's not gonna do what joe biden doing on sorry i said that and i'm sorry i said this we all the democrats do is apologize because that's the system they've created because the wherever you go that system that moral system is still in place and that's what they're attacking all the time what we need to do we need to do is not come back at the shame and say oh yes you should be ashamed of being fat we don't have to be is say that we don't have to say oh yes you should be ashamed of being a coward we don't have to create we create the cultural shame because it's never gone away it's they're all we have to do what those people did it that july fourth celebration in on the national mall all we have to do is celebrate the good if we celebrate the good believe me the left will expose themselves they cannot stand it it's like it's like a cross to a vampire it is like sunlight to vampire to them just see us celebrating the good because it makes them feel shame i'm andrew klavan this is the andrew klavan show will be back again tomorrow a theater klavan show is produced by robert stirling executive producer jeremy boring senior producer jonathan hey are supervising producer is mathis glover and our technical producer

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Crawlspace Moisture

Home Improvement with John and Dave

1:12:33 hr | 1 year ago

Crawlspace Moisture

"Welcome to home improvement with John. And Dave with answers to all your home improvement questions sponsored by Home Depot Lennox charlottecomfortsystems heating and cooling and dry pro basement systems on news. Talk Eleven ten and ninety nine three tell you. Pt and welcome home improvement with John Dave. I'm Dave Deauville. John's off this week he'll be back next week and but not to fear. We have our special guest in with the sedate. Ron weatherly welcome. Ron Thank you great to be here. We We appreciate you coming in and more parlor we appreciate you joining us in being part of the show so new sponsor in. We're very excited about that and twenty twenty five years. And we've got. We've finally got dry pro with us. Twenty five yeah. So we're we're thrilled with that. You guys are folks with Always with crawlspaces and we. We appreciate that. Got A lot of great feedback through the years and That makes it easy for us because we don't ever have to worry about it so but John John kind of put together a little Flow a show for us He felt guilty because he was gone. Two weeks in a row don. I'll do it. I'll do it. No no I got this. I got it so anyway but Jonah we back next week. We're he's actually going to be in town. We're GONNA be in the spring show awesome so I think what we'll do. We haven't really talked logistically about yet. But I think if you guys have you guys have a booth there. Yes we will so we probably will go walk the show and then we'll probably hang out around your booth to about eleven. Would love to have you there in And just Just hang out and so if anybody wants to come in and see. Who's prettier Mir John Facebook Survey things go out right. Yeah never mind. Just come by dry. See those guys but yeah we were excited about that and then So we'll talk a little bit Let's talk a little bit about dry pro Ron. What you guys are doing and And We'll we'll go from there absolutely and so what I know you guys just build a new building. And that's that's huge. That's a excite because I know you guys were just Crampton your last place. We started the business twenty years ago this year in high shoals. We're there for years and then we moved to Charlotte and that's been A. It's been a great place to be. We've loved being over off of Near Billy Graham Eighty five area but we outgrew it about three years ago right and so we were actually rhythm parking lots from our neighbors. My greatest fear there was the neighbors gonna come and say hey. You guys can't park anymore. Sure I didn't know if I was Gonna like shuttle people from the parking. Go or what we were going to do. So we looked and We were able to find the old textile plant. Belmont and Took a little bit to get in it but everybody Smilin' so we're we're happy. Yeah that is Great. Any repurpose the building. One didn't get taken down which is kind of Nice and it's been pretty. Well I would imagine well when the Tornados come in last week totally Concrete cast and place building with. We were the safest place to come. So if you you know more welcoming by come twenty during a storm the Eh yes Very very solid as great and It's only ten minutes from my house. So that's kind of like a bonus right. Yeah that is. That's a real nice when you can have that so So that is. That's that's good news by the way Lines are open in. Feel free to call if you have any questions. We're GONNA talk We're GONNA talk a little bit about All the things that drive pro does the seven zero four five seven eleven ten seven zero four five seven eleven ten And then of course questions. It asked Dave Dot Com and Open twenty four seven. We'll take any home improvement questions but really We can talk about. We've got crawlspaces we gotTA cancellations. We're GONNA touch on that. What that means and what that's about and the different levels of encapsulation because there's there's different programs right there. Yes so that's that's always that's always interesting because you know it's that's the beauty of what you guys do is is one size doesn't fit all you can you can customize a program for about anyone really depends on what's going on How bad is it How the problem shirt? So yes. And it changes because it's We John We talk about people say well. Why is there more trouble now with crawlspaces than there used to be? Well there's there's there's there's there there is in there isn't there always has been problems with some crawlspaces but we also are building in places that we never built before that's true and We can also talk about why there is actually more problems. The crawlspace industry is a new industry is only about fifteen years old right. And there's a specific reason why that we can get into on on what it is jerk. That's beautiful and then of course you guys do foundation repair. So it's kind of everything that's at that that ground level More boards though. Yeah Yeah Absolutely. And then pressure. John has pressure grouting. But it's it's really pressure foaming has Used to be Jacking right yeah and so. That was what. The term was jacking and Yeah big hole a big pomp and they shoot that stuff underneath. They're not I. I've been involved in that before. It's a little messy. It's extremists and then you just take it a heavy concrete. Put It on bad soil right and the wait continues to cause problems. Sure sure thing So we've got that in. We're going to touch on all those subjects. We'll go into a little bit more in depth. Of course. If you have any end we'd be glove. We'd love to have your your questions on that in. This is a great time to to to get this stuff answer I know I hear some of the commercials. You guys runabout folks that live with this stuff for years and years and then when they get ready to sell the house then they have. They're forced to do it in order to sell the House. And they don't even get to have the enjoyment of of or the peace of mind of dried crawlspace. It really is It's two things it's the added healthy of living with a close crossman as you. Not Breathe air from the crawlspace and then the anxiety that causes that you know you've got this problem right and that you gotta get it fixed and say yes. You're exactly right. They live with it for five. Ten fifteen years. Sometimes in another family gets to enjoy it because they've got to fix it before they can sell. Yeah no anxiety with that crowd. That's taken care of. So yeah that is that is important stuff we talked about all the time Keeping up with the pay attention. Because it'll get up on you quick and it can cost you way more money Leaving stuff alone for a few years but Anyway we're gonNA take a break. 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We're happy you guys joined US and Lots of great information. It's It's it's where the whole house starts in his breathing. There comes from the crawlspace is the place nobody wants to look or does it look so it can be a lot of problems going on down there yes It was kind of funny because I've been building a house for it. Was it's really been a year this month. Of course weather's hampered us throughout of a Lotta critical stages we were slowed down or stopped or couldn't get people there to do the job that needed to be done just just because of weather and they got behind another stuff but Somebody went into my crawlspace the other day and of course I have you flip a switch. I don't have lights like yeah that's right Dave. You know your crawlspace well. It's it really wasn't expensive to do it but you don't have to have a light to go with you when you when you go down there you have one less thing in your hands You know and I know the guys always wear the the headline has lamps. Yeah so which are great For that type of work and I have some too because most crawlspaces don't have lighting but Yeah so it's IT'S. It's nice that it's you know we took the time to great though when we The Lot naturally sloped so we left the crawlspace with that slope and I we shaped it and we packed it to some drains that were built in and they go out and go in with the foundation drains and goes out to the curb out to the to the ditch but we packed it and compacted all of it with a compactor so tight right and and shaved. Yeah so it's clean you know and the the guys that framed it. They couldn't understand because I was on them all the time about. Don't throw nails down there and and don't throw any would clean it up because I was constantly and they were the. I guess the one boy told told somebody job they said that old man's crazy worried about Nielsen. There and I said well you know why it is called a crawl. Space will crawling crawling on those nails. So just just. Don't throw him in there. Pick up because you know they pull a nail and they just throw it in there. And I'm like no it's putting your pouch that's right you structures interesting when start talking about close crawlspaces because of Tough to do but they're easy to do right but if it happens during the rainy season and everything's wet and there's no It's just it's gotta be done the right way right or you can get in trouble with close crawlspace. Their new construction. Somebody's gotTa keep an eye on it the whole time. Sure absolutely well. What happened to me was we did all that work? Of course before they did any framing all we had was a was where the walls and we got all that done. I know you guys are starting to do a little bit of that and it makes it easier to get in and do the work does. Actually we've stayed away from new construction right crawlspaces just because of the scheduling and end the damage potential damage. That can happen so well. I didn't put anything in there other than we compacted the dirt and we did all that but after they framed it. Of course it just rained. It rained and it rained so I had I would go there almost every night with shop vac vacuum the floors up and I kept telling him. I said Hey. Cut The plates out of the DOORWAY SOCKET. Squeegee some of this out of the doorway. Well they they didn't they left. They left it in I went over there so I told him one day. I said look. I can't be over here for a couple of days. I said some leaving the shop. Vac If you mind. Have One of your guys. I'll pay him for his time. Whatever but vacuums water up and we bought the good advantage tech plywood Because you know it's good. It's good in in that weather. Well I went over there and it was all cleaned out and I was like man. Thanks so much for doing that and I said I did a good job but he said Oh no. We just drill holes in the floor the water. I was like you did black. So needless to say the dehumidifier under the House immediately and it ran so the power bill was one hundred dollars a month over there because it ran twenty four seven out the whole house. Step Point yes. That's exactly what it was so but that leads us to you. Know why do we do that? You know why is it important to keep the crawlspace dry? Let's let's talk about that absolutely. Let's go back on the last segment. You mentioned something about the wire cross. Base is more of a problem now than before. Yes yes and I have a theory on that Prior houses always lose out. That buildings. Do you lose out the attic. When the past the houses would the make up here because you lose areas gotta come in right sure and so the makeup air would come in the doors and windows. Well fifteen twenty years ago started making houses a lot tighter and now we have mechanical systems up under the crawlspace and so you still lose out the attic but now the air comes from the crawlspace right and it goes up through and you're breathing that air and as we've made house tighter and tighter taught right and so hot humid. Air Comes in his Co. Crawlspace and now you've got all these conditions that are happening. Sure we always have had problems in the crawlspace. You're right but But over the last fifteen twenty years they've become more pronounced right. Well we've we've gotten that question before and people say You know we have a lot of condensation. Our windows never had this before. Have you changed anything house? If you've done anything no no no. What did you put new windows in new doors? Yeah yeah well there you go right there so What like you said what used to come in and and passed through the house by way of the attic doesn't do that anymore and my situations even even worse or well. It's better but with the sealed attic with the foam. Daddy like we have. We have no air passing out of the addict. So and of course the windows and the doors and the House has been designed and built according to Code and Beyond Code For draft stopping and weatherization. So you gets in there stays in there and you And there's a certain Fan that you put in to help bring up fresh air when it needs it right right We have a Well you could do A. I know I've the name of it now too but what we did bring fresh air in that we're gonNA pull right into the furnace and it'll pre filter before it goes through the main filter And we're even putting a damper on that so that during the pollen season I can turn it off perfect and then go back up and turn it on after the pollen portions over because that is it'd be changing filter every other day build inside. Israel changed over the last ten years in your so it has well and that's why we John and I always help people make sure you're speaking with someone that understands all of that what they do right right. You know. People specialize in certain things and So yes yeah absolutely So encapsulation when we would get into that. Let's talk about We have about two minutes probably before we go to break. So let's just kind of set that up as far as the different types of incapital capsule from the from the the most extreme of what you can do to to the minimum. Okay very good so Sometimes people call us. And Hey I've got these major problems and a lot of times these problems come with wood-rot and and it's not just one thing. There's there's multiple things and it will have budgets bright and And so we've got to solve the problem within a certain budget and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA share with a homeowner okay. These are all the challenges that we see. What do you want to fix it if the horse budget is Minimal and we want to fix the home from continue to grow mould and maybe rotten would then pro the lowest place we would go is. We're going to have to put a liner just on the ground cracked and we'll still the same. Close the vents off and put a dealer fire down there right and that's what we call a starter system. The challenge of that is we tell people listen. This is a starter if you go to sell your home. There's some counties that and we pull the permit on on almost everything we do on a star system there's some counties that That spector the way that they interpret. It won't won't pass it so to be at this. This is going to solve your problem but to finish it off. We're GONNA have to run the walls up three inches to the sill plate right and so it's just a process probably the the small the the least for budget standpoint. That'll solve the problem. And it's more budget system. Sure and then I think the other part and I know there's there's more to this as we go on it gets better Obviously it costs a little more money to to go up to the next size. Are the the next systems But with any of that any time. That you start Vince off and sealing up across space if you have any any fossil fuel burning appliances in there now you have a whole different situation and you can't just close it up without having combustion air right. That's that's correct so a lot of the furnaces now that's ninety percent pretty easy just run a fresh air. Hvac company can do that. We'll just run a fresh air from the unit to the To the exterior and there's code without s to be a certain place. The challenges were eighty percent units right. So eighty percent units. We have to leave a certain amount of vents open right so it will solve the problem but the DIS having run a lot harder. Sure certain and we don't see it as much anymore because those eighty percents have Have have kind of rolled out right well and it's getting better and better on that aspect of it. So Hey we're gonNA talk more about that. We do. We are right up against a break. We're GONNA take that break and we'll be back with more home improvement with John. Dave right after this Dan. Welcome back. It's home improvement with John. And Dave. I'm Dave Deauville. Dry Pro and We're talking crawlspaces today. Anything to do with the crawlspace the ground under the House we were John. Ron and I were talking a little bit At the break and We kind of wanted to backtrack and just talk about We kind of the big reasons why crawlspaces have change. But let's go back when you first started in the business about holiday volved. The whole the whole business has evolved in how change because we changed right here on this show. We had to go along with as as things change. I remember the first Information that we got was from the company out of Raleigh vast energy. Yes yes it. Yeah they were doing. Studies HABITAT HABITAT. Yeah which was pretty cool because it was very similar homes and they really made some groundbreaking News with that. Yes they did Full twenty years ago. If somebody would call it the problem we would've went out. Anybody to industry would have gone out and they would have put a drain system right well. There's actually two problems with the crawlspace. One can be groundwater coming in. When it rains the other can just be high humidity right and so everybody was just put a drain system and then it went from Okay with the homeowners or call us back. That didn't fix our problems. So we'd go back out. And we'd put more Vincent and we'd go out to other homes stores at fixing it. Maybe it needs more vapor. Do you remember when before it was like sixty percent cover was a that was pulled from the edges or in the middle was changed over the years and then it went from. Okay well let's instead of bad invents. Let's put some fan systems and And then I remember going to tell the story I went home. And this was an engineer type person and he said He talked me and helping design a system and so we went to Maybe Home Depot and we bought a big attic fan and he put on the door and he ran it as a humidity that so when the because we we thought we needed more air in the crossbows trying to get more ventilation and so we hooked up the attic fan and we have humidity that with humidity gets over. Eighty percent or seventy five. That will come home and I can remember it. Turn it all sound like a jet engine takeoff. It was sir. I left that House Day and I told him I'll be back a couple of weeks. I left that House that they think. And you know what this is the solution all over. Charlotte. I've got this like. We need to make it safe because like a kid can put their shirt attic fan right so we left. Charlotte are left at that day. Came back two weeks later and Told the gentleman. GimMe Gimme fifteen twenty minutes. I just want to call the crawlspace. It looks like David I can remember. Open the crawlspace store up and I looked down and I'm just shocked and turn back around. I'll tell the homeowner you have a major plumbing leak. I I don't know what's going on but I'll find it. I went onto the crawl. I looked everywhere in there. I was there for forty minutes pulling insulation down around all penetrations shirt. I real adults. How WATER HEATER HOTLINE MAY BE BUSTED BECAUSE SHIRT? The installation was dropping floor. Joist had water Japan. Also it was terrible and this is what I learned from that. Take a glass of iced tea back and when the air hot humid air in the summertime hit. What does it do condensates right? And that's the same thing that happened across sure and so it was a oh close. Crawlspaces the way to fix this. It was a progression from putting more vents putting fans on more coverage and then the Advanced Energy came out with that. Study and Then it went to six mil plastic down close to the vest with a dehumidifier from home depot sears. Those type D Hughes and we learned that Contractors that plastic. So it's not it doesn't last right the those home depot the sears type. Those humidifiers were not made for crawlspaces. They don't last last right. And so now there's a whole system for close cross bison there are more continuous it could be more continuous duty. And I think that's probably what kills them and then of course the environment so Let's get let's get randy in here. requirements Kinda crawlspace question. Hey Randy how can we help? I L doing great. Thanks for the call thank you so I'm listening and listening to counter fixed budget and so if I had Dr Pro come out and take a look and I could do. I'll call a starter set to where you know I got my floor. You know covered and partway up the walls and then a year from now I come up with more. Money is the system that you can build on or is it. They have to come in and kind of Undo what was I done? You have additional problems. No that's a great. Yeah it does right. That's a great question we would look at your home. I make sure there's no groundwater in because we need to fix the groundwater problem that probably the thing that I was suggesting I if somebody's on a fixed budget so let's get the groundwater fixed and then we can. We can come in and the next thing would be if If we're looking at really budget put a star system down with just a liner on the ground. So the seemed closed the vast for the dehumidifier at that point. Your problem is fixed from humidity standpoint. And yes you could come at A. You're down the road and we could add the walls to it and really make it tight the the the only downside I really see with a starter system is a dehumidifier runs a little bit harder so your energy costs maybe a little bit higher but it will solve the problem so second question then would be What we don't have groundwater but then again you can't really see Humidity head so you don't you don't if you're building up a problem or not Until until you have one yeah so let's talk about groundwater for sex so it all this rain we had right When I say groundwater what I mean is open the crawlspace door up. Look in the low part and you'll either see a line on the brick where the water's gotten up to a certain point or you will see watering to stand in the the low part across base. If you're seeing that then you're gonNA need to drain system If you take plastic and just put it on the ground and you come back forty eight hours later you're gonNA see beads of moisture up under. That's not what I'm talking about. The groundwater s just it trap and the humidity from up the liner and that's okay okay. What do y'all charge just to come out and do an inspection of a homeware. Yeah just WanNa make sure you don't have a problem We we do that all the time for no charge. We're GONNA come out. We'll look at it will take pictures. We'll sit down with you as long as you're willing to sit down with us We don't charge to come up. That's terrific thank you very much. Absolutely thank you all right. Thanks for that. Call Randy real quick. We're going to go to a break. But how do people get a hold of because we haven't even given any numbers or anything for the best thing just go to the website Four drop pro dot com the number four dry dot com. Yeah and it's it's a great website explains a lot of things. It's a good website so okay. Hey we're gonNA take a break. We'll be right back tower right. Welcome back it's home improvement with John. And Dave. I'm Dave Bill Ron Weber FROM BRONCO. And we're talking crawlspaces better get you in here to the brain trust today. It's a short one with John being gone but but it's okay. He sent me some He sent me some prayers and and we're all good. Yeah they gave us a whole lot. Want to talk about two did man And we haven't even got off the first page so plenty to talk about on the crawlspaces so then we'll go back to that because we were talking about the different levels of encapsulation we we we. We kind of talked about the evolution of a crawlspace and how we went from. Everything needs to be vented and more vents and more vents but the truth is is that that actually invites more warm humid air in which collides with the cooler air that naturally occurs across space. And then boom you're sweating. Everything is wet. That's right and so People think that air blows in one vessel anymore vets and here is going to blow one out to other vet and if people really think about that they can see how crazy that is. It's not going to blow in one and not the other one but if you crawl on your crawlspace okay You know some of slow more adventurous than others. If you crawl on your crawlspace you will air hitting you every vet. Who Was it going? It's going up through your attic right so and then you get to this summertime air. That gets sucked into the crawlspace. And you've got An hits cold ductwork or the floor. Joist cold with hits do point and when that happens it loses the moisture in the air to whatever whatever it's cold right and And now we've got. We have five would crews that all they do is was short pairs and so people are calling us. I say as I walk through a home like I feel about Sir and because over the years the woods gone from wet to dry what does have the same integrity that had when they originally put it right. Yeah and it dries out so then the other part is you get dry right. People look at me like I have two heads when I tell him that. So the rot starts and then it stops because it dries out and then what it takes all it takes is a little bit of moisture in the air to feed the fungus so that it can continue to rot. It just goes on and on and there's it's never gonNA stop you have to stop the moisture and you have to treat it I I know that Some builders in in different parts of the country everything is sprayed Entreated before it's ever done. They don't necessarily use treated lumber but they spray it with the salt solution. I think it's like timber or something with With the die and say you know where you've been but I think that's one of the greatest things ever done Because that stops the mold mildew me it's not good for business if that's all you but there's enough of those out there that you don't you don't have to worry about it. Good Yeah Yeah it's GonNa keep going Let's get Jim in here in Jim Welcome to the program I know I see says gutters and foundations. Yeah let's talk about that Yeah thank you. Oh Yeah I've got a situation with a cracked concrete and and also somewhat of the hill and of course we've had tremendous rain here unbelievable and it just keeps washing down and so are consulted a waterproof come in on mentioned her name and They came out and they gave me a pretty scary number for me. My budget appre scary number. Something Point Twenty and thirty thousand dollars but In my opinion I've got a severe run off down the hill and then in the in that was about a year and a half ago not consulted them and then since then I've discovered on the back side of my house when all this rain I keep watching it. I spent some time there during the David raining. And there's waters come straight. I've got an extended Sun Porch. So that makes the run of the roof even longer on the backside and the water just going straight over this little smaller size gutter pulled it down and going down and that's been going on now for probably five or ten years on this House and hits down there working. Its way back up. Under the little extended carport concrete porch and this just busted that concrete all the pieces and I'm about ninety percent. Sure that's what's caused my problem on that part of the House. The rest of the house is just water coming down creating that white while wrestling you were just speaking of the basement wall and so I've got two major issues but when I called the company out and I even mentioned I I did. A town realize the gutter was killing the concrete underneath the extended some ports on the back of the house but I know the washing water coming down and hitting the basement wall somehow but the company came out and they really didn't give me what I thought was some extended helper suggestions about approaching notice to issue and so I can't just come up with twenty thirty thousand dollars. You know without trying to hopefully attacking seventy or eighty percent of the problem need to through landscaping the version of the down coming water or at least get in. The gutter system is going to get that waterway from my concrete ports. Slap porce absolutely. So what what? What are you doing a situation like that when you call a company like yours out in you know they come up with twenty to thirty thousand dollar price. But yet they still haven't attacked or give you any concrete suggestions about how to tackle those issues going forward so Most water proven companies are not going to be gutter. They're not gonNA stall gutters if you've got water jumping over your gutters then You can go to bigger gutters They you probably. What are your thoughts on the like? Typically you gotta was. Three inch is typical. Or is it for four or five five five inch and then you you really probably go to six inch and then there's you can actually go more than that. If your facial board big enough they make up an industrial gutter that They they could install on there but I put six inch on my house. We have a. We have a pretty decent sized roof. Nine twelve pitch Four inches of rain. We got the other day or last week. It had thought all there. I have any problem and so. Yeah you've you've gotta fix the gutter issue of. That's going to be different than the foundation with the foundation issue. I would get an engineer to look it and whoever that you work with from the Foundation Company can recommend some Because really the engineer is going to be the one that's going to Spec out the scope of work that needs to be done You can also put crack Monitor's on this cracks and you can date them so that So the challenge is when you go to sell the home that new homeowners GonNa fix but if you can share with them. It hasn't moved. You know that might help you a little bit but Really an engineer is what you need. A look at that and then the foundation pup company could take that and you can actually get multiple quotes off the same scope of work and they can give you a good recommendation on what to do as far as Dixon the foundation. So it doesn't happen again but you're right you do need to get that water problem fixed. Who you'd have more problems with the other. Major issue is down coming water bleeding. I've lived in North Carolina my life. I've never seen the rainfall we've had in the last two years here. It's constant we're we're probably fifteen to twenty percent above our average then remember in the early two thousands we were in a five year drought so it was an it changes. And it's just it's just it's just what happens with the weather but I think I think you also need. I know I know Ron guys always look at the grade. You guys are always stay. That's the first thing you have to do right. Yeah we're not going to We may not be the ones that do the work on grade or or landscape. And we're going to tell you that Really this is Lewis. Calls in the problem. You need to get this fixed. Sometimes even though it needs to be fixed there's no warranties that can be get done even when you do the grading so we'll we'll give a solution that will that will weaken warranty but even our system Even though we can warranted you still may do landscaping outside. Yeah what question is still. How do you find that person is going to come out? Spend time on your landscape grade and no the water that you're dealing with coming down the hill towards your foundation and give you a good plan engineering or water away from the house yet to find somebody that specializes in that and I can certainly give you that person's name If that's the problem that you're having because you need somebody that specializes in that type of of diversion and drainage and I certainly give you the name but a gym. We're going to be Right up against our break for this hour so if you'll hang tight I'm GONNA fix you up off of the air and then we've got Norman and Mike and Dennis. I hope you guys hold on. We gotta go gotta go take this break. We're gets a message is in here and some news but hang tight we want to answer your questions and many more so And we'll be back with more home improvement with John and Dave right after this. Welcome back. It's our number two home improvement with John. And Dave I'm Dave Deauville Ron whether we would drive pro- We'll move on for those folks that couldn't hang on gifts callback in will get you in here and get your questions answered. We appreciate it. Sorry sorry you had to go. Norman's been patiently waiting. Norman how can we help your doing great? How can we help well? I've owned many houses for a long time. But I've never I've moved into a new house And they put a Renovated put a brand new deck on there. So how do I stain it My question what what you know okay. deck you know. They didn't do anything to it. Just would and that's it okay. Here's here's the best thing. This is what I've discovered over the last four or five years. Is this product called Cedar Shield and it's also about. That is a very cool product. I I would recommend that you go to their website and read some of the reviews and some of the stories that people talk about that product. I thought it was snake oil. At first I found it. But you gotTa talk about that but I bought it and I started using it and we use it a lot on wood rot so if you have a piece of wood that has a little bit of rot in it you can apply this product and It will stop the Rot and it will never ride again It's very very cool product. So what it does is it. Kinda petrifies the would to appoint so it woN'T ABSORB ABSORB MOISTURE AGAIN. So what you do is on a wet deck you want the would to have some moisture in it because that will draw this product in and what it'll do is it'll push the moisture out the other side and then then it won't take moisture on again but it will take stain so you can color the would if you want and so what it does when you when you no longer have moisture Being able to absorb would it becomes more stable when it stable then it's not expanding and contracting. It's not cracking checking. It's not it. It still could splinter up on you if you pressure wash but You're staying will last longer because it's it's more stable now. The pigment in the in the coloring in the stain won't last any longer than what it would have if you wouldn't have put Cedar Sheila because the sunshine this that's just a given. I mean we just like the color of the wood right now. You can hear it but it will eventually gray out so it doesn't do anything for that. But what it does it stabilize it but some people like that natural gray color. Okay so it it. It looks good but if you go to our website Agile Dave Dot COM You can click on the products page in their affiliate of us and so we we just love the product. That's why we we recommend it but we up joining up with them so If you click from that link you can go in there and read about it. And they'll send a little bit of a money back to John and Dave so that we can put it towards the website. Go ahead and put that on there now and boom and then you're good stain or whatever or he'll protect your investment. You'll be glad you did it. Thanks all right. Let's get an in here. Hey and how can we help? Hi How are you and thank you for taking my call appreciate? I live in a condo. It's forty five or so years old I'm on the second floor of two and the pipes and everything of course are very old the and I share the condensation line the and everything with the people downstairs and there have been many issues sink backing up the condensation line for HVAC overflowing washing machine. Overflowing lived here. Very Long Time. So that's why all these issues but The people downstairs have carpeting in the kitchen and I smell something in my Hvac HVAC closet which is right beside the kitchen. And I just think it's affecting me one way or the other. They say there's nothing there's no issues. There's no mold and mildew or anything downstairs I don't believe it But I need to have somebody and I don't know who to call to come out and check first of all what is the smell and then take it from there okay And do you guys have indoor air special? Who Do you guys use? Not with the other works with US however I recommend Smith environmentals. I'd have to look at the name. Exactly Daniel Smith is who we recommend. He's a private individual. He's not He's not working for he. He works for you the homeowner and he'll go out and And just look at everything. You'll take more streams he might do some samples and and and then send them off and see kind of what kind of when when they do air samples take one outside to get a baseline and then they'll take one and maybe some swabs inside the unit or or in that our air sample inside that area and then he'll send them off and it comes back with really what's in the air compared to what's outside and that gives you a good idea if there's a challenge or not But but if you Google I don't know whether give your tell you what I can give David Information and just send us a note And send us a note to our website. Ajan Dave Dot Com and hit the questions but in and then I'll have that information for you. Okay thank you very much because it's very concerning and it's not going away But you mentioned something about the basement I think and there isn't one If basement it was just because I only deal with basements but this person can help you throughout the whole house right. And that's what you need is someone that understands the whole The whole structure and how the envelope works and where air comes from and where it goes and and these these folks a lot of these folks that do this know that not just do testing. They understand Because you have to know what to look for. That's right okay. Great and that's what you need much. You're welcome center Sonoda and we'll take care of you. I'll do it. Thank you. Okay Mike and Dennis hang tight. We've got about a three or four minute break. We're GONNA take that. We'll be back with more home improvement with John Dave all right. Welcome back home improvement with John. And Dave I'm Dave Deauville. And Ron weatherly with Dr. Let's get Mike in here Mike. Thanks for waiting Appreciate combat. How can we help push my basement? Straighten graph with polyethylene and Here round back as cracknell. I was wondering if can call the problem the other way. I I don't when you say Basement But you got a poly down. You told me Your Crawlspace Mike and Grove girls may grow and so Kennedy Girls. Face is what I'm talking about. Is it tall? Yeah okay so you can walk in it. But it's so you know I don't can't be too dry. We had that question actually more than you you would think and I don't know If if the vents are open however dried is outside. That's how drives going being across base and so it's twenty percent relative humidity and Outside his can be twenty relative humidity in the crawlspace and so order to break the. I don't see that cause foundation problems. This extreme it could but if it sounds like your house fairly old. I think if nothing's going on foundation cracks wise you're probably OK okay. Well one down one way. You'RE GONNA love. Became you go too far. So don't you answer my question? Thank you sir. Thanks bye all right. Mike Scott let's get Dennis in here. Hey Dennis how can we help? Yeah Hi Yeah I've got a house over in Lake tillery. Oh it was built in nineteen seventy Lake House and Kind of on a not a St Peel. That has gotta he'll come down and We bought it in two thousand one and of course the people that sold didn't say they got water in the basement right when it rained heavy of course but We put a French rain out front about two thousand three and the same. Stop everything Even including the Hurricane Matthew and it came to eleven inches so when Florence game through we had chopped backs going down there pulling water out every sixteen gallons every ten minutes right. Can't just push the water up up foundation and I had the French screen replaced thanking all. Right I'll be in good shape if I can get another fifteen years out but That rain week ago Thursday. I think we had about seven eight inches over here and it rained two to three inches an hour and it just Pushed it up You know we've had nineteen inches of rain since January one. So the water tables Roy up right now I had I WANNA get your opinion on Some of the companies I've talked to I've got Dr Pro out now and You know doing a scenario putting the troughs around the exterior walls with a cellphone in European. Is that something that would handle the heavy rains. And the water pushing up that way the So there's there's multiple ways you can go off in a problem in a basement or crawlspace. We do In in the past that a sub that all of them but at this point the only way that I can give a lifetime warranty is by going on the inside of the basement and doing a drain on the inside and run it to a pumping system but Proposing suggest a battery backup on that because with the power goes out. It's not gonNA help right. Yeah so you need a battery backup. They got that in the end the offer but again well that water coming up on. I've never seen it kind of in. It's got the foundation where like some of the interior walls have got. The Smith Brick Into a slab like cut in the lab where the water would come in the seems right And now they're only putting the troughs on the exterior walls. Is that enough to keep the pressure coming up in the inside? So there's three places that water could come come down the wall. It could come in at the coal joint. Where the wall on the floor meat or the wall and the footer meet and come in from a heart attack Prussia come from the ground by putting a drain system in on the inside. You can solve all those problems so yes it will solve that problem but it has to be. I don't know if it's It has to be on all all three walls or four walls basement three walls. That are the basement Wall facing the Cement mound of earth. Okay Yeah Sometimes. People just do one wall and That's not going to fix it you just so if you do all three walls than than you'll be good tell ya bitter pill to buy the. Yeah but What I find is that Lake tillery. And you're not there and so every time rain store comes through. You'RE GONNA be anxious and you're wondering if you got a problem or not and absolutely not the Dry Arroyo type of Engineering as What what works in. It will work at We've got a million linear feet of that in the Charlotte area and we you know these rainstorms. Come through we do. Have some challenges here there but typically? They're not the system. It's a power outage or something like that and we've got a service team that can help with that I if there is a challenge and we will come out and whoever you do they need to come out service at every year and Rome water through it make sure the pop works and just changed check thousand and clean out the bottom of the liner the bottom of the sump liner well that Sometimes when it's buried him there is that that's an enclosure unit. So it's just. Taking the water from the troughs is that right. That is correct. You will get a little bit of debris that ends up in there so it needs to be cleaned out Once a year okay I appreciate it. I just want to get it another thing in absolute. Thanks to us here about that. Yeah that's It is what it is. I mean you know there's There's there's a way to fix things and make permanent. I mean nothing is without problems at some point time everything is serviceable at some point. In time you know but today when I started this I wanted to fix everything from outside right. We used to dig up all the basements all crawlspaces from the outside. What I learned was If I want to give a lifetime warranty or you know something more than fifteen twenty years I've got to be a service and so once you do the stuff from the outside you still need to gutters. You need to get it away. Still need to make sure the ratings away from the house right but You can't warranty that kind of stuff so we wanna warranty everything we do. We do internal drainage systems. I can service that. And that's that's why we were able to offer the lifetime warranty on. I think I think the other advantage to that too is that you're not necessarily having to disturb all of the the twenty euro boxwoods landscape and it creates a mess doing it correctly also absolutely and and then again like you said. You can't give a lifetime warranty because those products only have a certain amount of life expectancy in them that's correct and as water gets under the Drain System. It's going to clog up the rock around it and eventually clogged drain up. And and then you gotTa have a place to take a lot of times. The footer of a basement is lot lower than the grade up. You know whatever yard is right and so wherever it's going If it's raining three inches or whatever and a matter of a few hours wherever it's going it's going to be full of water anyway so so it's not going to drain right so yeah and it took me a while to to latch onto the interior of drain strained systems. Really and once she studied when you look at them you realize that is the way so let it come through Because if you I think the other problem is if you if you stop that water and then it has nowhere to go. Now you create a whole other problem with pushing static pressure pushing on that wall of basement walls. We fix a lot of those. And you don't people don't really think about that but when wet dirt ways a lot more and expands a lot more than brighter absolutely So that's what? The gentleman called earlier about to dry crawlspace. It's not really big deal but when it gets wet it's a big deal. It is I've seen some pretty pretty ferocious things we talked about that at a break about a retaining wall That I saw go down because they changed from concrete pavers And it was a very expensive process. The whole thing was to fix it. Because it was the position it was in and all that but That was a prime example for me of of what soil can do right before your very eyes right and it was a short amount of time. A lot of rain but Pretty pretty pretty crazy especially with this clay. You know just play. We have is something else it has. We've Seen Bowen walls before in basements where the homeowner waited too long to fix it and they've actually fallen in yet so and we're GonNa talk more about that we're going to get into some foundations We'll talk about that in and then also raising your concrete backup which is really cool process With that said we'll be back with more home improvement with John and Dave right after this welcome back. It's home improvement with John. And Dave. I'm Dave Oval in Ron. Weatherly with dry Talk and crawlspaces talking I think we've kind of wrapped up on it. I mean we could. We could do hours and hours on just just encapsulation and all the different things that go on with wood rot so I think it's disappointing. People know that they they know that you guys do crawlspaces. You guys also do the wood-rot we didn't talk a whole lot about that but we do we and and that's a process so like for us we're sending guys out to look at it but There's so much training as you know David that goes into that. We actually have our GC got holder license. Go and look at almost every job that we do prior to doing it to make sure that we we we got the scope right right and then while we're doing it. We actually have it in house engineer. That goes to make sure we're doing it properly share and Of course all those jobs are permitted and we get An inspector looking at it as well. Yeah and and they and they have to be permitted that is the law so structure role There's no dollar amount on that. It's just structural. It has to be inspected so And it's great. You guys are using an engineer. Because we've we've done that before With folks that the engineer actually writes the basically the recipe or the prescription for what needs to be done and then we follow it and It's kind of Nice because it takes. It takes the burden off of me. I know how to do it but I'd rather have somebody else say. Yeah this is how I asked to be done. Allow Bill But you know the the the the deal with that is is Anytime you get into a crawlspace you have to remember in the way a house is built. Is its footing. It's a foundation. And then they put the perimeter of the band's up and then they add the joist girders and then they build the house on top of it. Well you've got a hold the house up and take this out from underneath without destroying the house on the inside because everything's weighed in on it and a lot of times when people see prices on that type of work. They they're shocked. It's only six feet. Was it this much right. There lay on their back in mud. Maybe right and there's a lot of process to go into it. There's things everything has to be moved out of the way because everything is added into that crawlspace after the frames done so piping and duct work in wiring in and blocking any anything like that so you have to kind of reverse all that stuff out it has to be taken out and then after you remove and replace. Wood that stuff has to be put back so It's it's it's it's pretty intensive in and the best way I guess sometime maybe you guys should do a time lapse video of something like that and and post it because it it gives a pretty good it if people see how what what has to go into it you get a better understanding of. Hula work on that. Yeah it's it's it's hard. It's like you know people always ask me for the before and after we get on a project. I just go and we start. Start working in like Oh. I didn't take any before the project. Oh I didn't take any after because my deal is to satisfy the customer. I need to look at it a different way but anyway. Let's talk with Chris Chris. Welcome to the program. How can we help morning? Tall Great Let's see I live on a property where the neighbor over the past ten years has multiple times had to have his The almost the entire primitive house dug up in reese sealed in drained off because he had leaks from the beginning when they built that house about fifteen years ago so in one of the more recent times and they they did this twice but the last was even more they slanted the drain in their entire front yard and along their house in our direction up against and it comes right up against our fence and in the last couple years. All of the fence post rotted out They were not set in concrete. But the whole since I've had to tear down I've been deciding what to do now. The past couple of weeks with all this rain. I've gone hidden photograph from an upper window. It's just like a river running along. The property goes right up to the fence. And did it kind of curves back in his backyard. it's a downgrade from front to back and then of course from his direction yards. So I'm wondering I would need to rebuild defense. Haven't really talked to him about it. Not on their best talking terms. Put it that way and just wondering what the best way would be to fend off now. I thought of putting a new fence and taken care of the woods using not concrobium but the Cedar and then putting them in concrete and having the peers a little bit higher above the soil. So that the water doesn't actually touch the wooded all I thought of using rip rap type rock and building up Merman putting the fence on but I'm just wondering is there a material is it better to absorb. What comes this direction or descended off with some sort of a after a fence is built. Maybe put a eighteen inch Product to new. That would just keep it off the fence. Well I mean you know it depends on the budget You know all of it's going to carry a price for sure You know if you can slow the water down enough so that it's not destroying everything and that's what the rip rap does You know you put you put a nice liner underneath that So that it doesn't road the soil and then you load the stone on top of it and that will that will slow the water down enough so that it can. It will absorb some and then of course when it's It's passed absorption than it. Will it will. It will run through the Rock and and to to the designated area. You want it to go through You put if you treat your fence posts with Cedar showed you can buy a bucket of that five gallon bucket and soak your post and that and that will they won't ride again you could also go to a vinyl product and And that will help. And you know they have some Collars and vinyl now that mimic would somewhat Nothing final in Alpha. Look Ted. What's the upper The other choice Way of aluminum synthetic that's just more costly than and more natural composite. Yeah yeah and that was very costly when I looked in debt and find out if it's the nails can kinda work their way out. It's not a sure because it expands and contracts so you really have to use screws Fasten that stuff together. Hold about your Woodson right absolutely so I think you're better off to soak your post And then once you do that I think you'll be in pretty good shape. Would you use four by four or six by six post Four by fours? Good enough for you. What are you putting up a privacy? Fence Yeah Privacy. Because he also enjoy sh shooting. Amy as his We are direction and I just need to put something totally isolated from that right. Yeah so yeah four by fours or find them in the ground to foot you can you just I would. I would make sure you soak the post. And then if you specially put them in concrete silk maybe I could get to five gallon buckets and so two time for. You could probably more than that because you buy an extra bucket and then as you put the four by fours at stand him up in there. They'll deep. Would you put him in to the Solution I would get him I would. It'll it'll draw it up in it so it doesn't need to be real deep so you could. You can pour half of the GAL. The five gallons outer down to a quarter of a bucket by three or four buckets and soak several posted a time. How long would you leave him in? Daycare? I just I just let him sat for twenty four hours. Okay then they take him out. Let them thoroughly dry before you Yeah Yeah I would just take them out. Let them dry won't hurt thing Okay okay well when I put that rip rap and of course it's going to have to be on our property. So would you put that rip rap in and put the posts right down through that or maybe just move my property in the fence in a couple of feet? Yeah put your post and I don't get the fencing done and then put the rip rap or I enjoy the show again. Thank you welcome. Thanks for the call by okay. Sarah Danny we see you. We've got about a four minute break. We're GONNA take that. We'll be back with more home improvement with John David after this welcome back. It's home improvement. John Dave I'm Dave Deauville Ron weatherly dry. And we're in a lightning round. So let's go right in here and get Sarah Sarah. Welcome to the program. How can we help? Thank you About three years ago we had our crawlspace totally encapsulated by a different company. Not Drive pro- Everything was fine until some of these hurricanes came through when we had excessive amounts of rain sump pump work great but we started having leaking coming up through the seams of the vapor barrier that heavy baber barrier This happened about the first year that it was down had a very responsive. Sales Rep came out Patch some of the stuff even left me tape In case we had some issues again. everything was fine but we still. When we had heavy rains we have leakage. Coming up through the through. The seems so now. I have the tape paper towels and towels under the house and we have three different areas. That are Kind of like puddles like a little lake. The company would not respond would not respond or not respond. Finally got someone after. I made a social media post which I hate to do. Came out went under the house and said well the the atrium drain that they put in should have run to the sump pump. But it didn't and they to come back and do that. We had done everything that they said and he said I'll come back and we'll have a plan and we that was November. We've not seen him since the we we see this. Not a lot but More more than occasional and the only way to fix that is to put a drain system in up onto the liner. So there's four things you have to do to fix crawlspace properly. The first is you gotta fix the groundwater and The real quick the second does a a liner system on the ground third is so the vents and the fourth is commercial dehumidifier some degree in so olive that we have a drain We have a an atrium drain we have the SUMP pump. We have the dehumidifier At least that's what was on our paperwork and what we paid for. The liners got to be pulled. Back and It's GonNa be pulled back quite a bit because it's going to be struggling to be a clean process in the lighter math to be replaced. Actually but they'll try to put a lot of back as much as possible there. We need to take that dirt dig a trench because it's not done properly and Either is not connected or not done properly at all until the liners pulled back. They're not GONNA know that. And so a lot of back to a trench they're gonNA take dirt and rock and spread it out through the. They have drained. They're now they'll have to spread that out through the crawlspace little bit and And then they got the flow tested to make sure that the drain flows to pump properly. And then everything's gotTa be put back Unfortunately joy I'm sorry about on this company. Obviously yes yes along with the social media posts. That's what it takes. It's unfortunate but I mean you gotta use the leverage that you have so I I'd write a letter to the owner and then And then the next thing we'll be right and and typically companies they want to do the right thing I know and and and like I said the sales person that we had was wonderful. Who is no longer with the company And so they've not been responsive since since he's left and and they and I will say that the sump pump that they put in I It was it. Quit working after And it was right at the twelve month and they made good on that they did make good on that they they replaced the sump pump There 'cause we paid the Labor to install it but it was right on the border Of expiring on that on that warranty. So we've had good experience as long as that person was with the company but since and you know we've got the drawings and we've got the estimates and we showed where everything was supposed to be done and we. We bought the top of the line package so that that's the frustration. The all of the events are sealed and everything one of the things he said was he was gonNA come back and and do some things with the outside Vince. But again we've not seen him since November. Yeah if you want to contact me off the air. My email addresses weatherly w. h. e. R. L. Y. Drive PRO SYSTEMS DOT com. I don't mind talking to you a little bit more in detail about this. Okay all right. We certainly do appreciate it. Thank you so much and have a great day and thanks for the service. Y'All are providing. Thank you. Bye Bye okay. Sarah's Godless skit Danny in here. Danny how can we help? Yes how y'all doing great I'm trying to replace the linoleum in my mother's house. She's on a slab and I thought active this starting more inside and just roll it up and take it out. But it's not working too. Good is glued pretty heavily to the concrete floor and besides scraping it up With a bunch of elbow grease. Is there any quicker easier way? What are you going to put down over? You're going to put new linoleum. Yeah Have you thought about doing a a floating floor this lays on top Something like Lifeproof or your so it's It's actually it's a vinyl floor so it's not a laminate floor but it's the same principle as a as per go it's a it's a of plank flooring has a snap click so there's no glue involved You pretty much. Can you could pretty much do it with a a razor knife and and a straight edge in a tape measure. But it's it's easier if you use a saw to cut it because the stuff is much heavier than it was when the first generations of it that came out but that way you can just Taper off where you've been pulling the Law Noli 'em up and just get it scraped up to a point and you can lay right over top of and stop the work. Stop all the all the pain. I heard that from trump's great that up with thirty nine yet check that out go go by Home Depot and look at that lifeproof product in get some samples and see if she likes it. It's It's a little bit different than what she's used to. But that stuff is waterproof. It's it's it's just about bulletproof easy. Install in great product and If if you if you're not happy with You know the choices. There go by empire carpet and blinds over in. Pineville in talk to Randi Of that that stuff. It's it's he's got a room full of it Different different types of it looks like stone. Like tile wood wood whatever you want and it is vital. It's a yeah it's a it's a PVC or a vinyl. It's Very I put it through my whole house. I we love that stuff where I'm headed I'm headed to a box store right now and I'll definitely check it out. Check it out. I think you'll I think you'll be happy and You'll save your back in some some some wear and tear. Okay all right Dan. Thanks for the call Yeah that is a that is a good product man if I had a basement. That's what I wanted to. Yeah yeah that's a lot of elbow grease get stuff up. It is and a lot of times. You just leave it alone. Because if it's if especially if it's older pre seventy eight it's possibly yet some asbestos in the backing of it so Leave it alone. It's flat and it's if it's if it's not humped up poor or bubbled and even if it is you can just cut those areas out film Because most of these floorings are thick enough. That they'll bridge like a quarter. Inch gap anyway. it's pretty good but you can't have a bunch of humps in the floor. Because it'll it'll cause them to separate Ron Up. We got about a million things that we need to talk about. So it's a good thing you guys are. GonNa be coming back absolutely and we'll we'll We'll we'll delve into that a little bit more. And we'll get into foundations and The concrete lifting which is a phenomenal product. I've witnessed that. It's it's pretty cool people when I tell people that that can be done their status. Look at me like crazy so go to YouTube. If somebody's wondered about concrete lift and do polylevel Polylevel concrete lifting. And there's some really short videos that that that'll show the whole thing. It's amazing yeah and you guys have some at your site don't you? You have the connections. And so let's do that to give your website in the best way for people to get hold of you number four dry pro dot com and you call us as well. Seven zero four five two three nine one one but the number four drop dot com is fairly easy. Sure and plus you could get in and you can see the videos. You can see the different things that you guys offer and the processes for for waterproofing for encapsulation Lots of good. Lots of good information in there And and you know pay attention to that stuff because If if you get it taken care of now you won't need their wood-rot Division. That's right you know. That's that's my big thing headed off you know head that off as quick as possible but What we appreciate. You appreciate your appreciate you coming in and of course you sponsorship in that helps keep the show on air and it's twenty five years band. We're we're we're we we love being on we love on it and as long as we can have folks like you. It'll it'll continue in it as people say often it's a great It's a great service for the community and that's why. Wbz doesn't yeah. We you guys have been kind of over the years. We appreciate the relationship and we always try to do the right thing. 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Kirk Minihane Is Going to War With Apple

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There's a huge. I don't touch the handwritten nurse after I don't touch on it. Why beginning go very slow but have you go opened the door? Oh my sleeve. Yeah but but then you touch your shirt though at some point. I'm sure I guess so. That's quite a place your hand sanitizer you. Yes No. That's off limits. All the mines getting refilled up with the Brandon travel size. It next to him you should. I'm you're saying well whatever but it's over it's fucking over call. It were done. Everyone tried as hard as I could. The the problem is going to be if two weeks from now there's a huge spike in cases tonight is going to add further. Finian Georgia start. I guess we're probably having the Georgia yet right to sound. I don't think we have any debt out of there. They opened actually watch the video on Youtube. There's a chain of movie theaters in San Antonio. I'm GonNa do like what fifty does not only do funny pronunciation sports. I think it's GonNa I think it'd be a winner spices language. I think so. I didn't even the theater the chain of theaters but they they opened up this weekend in San Antonio and the guy gave you the CEO gave a youtube. I watched on Youtube whatever and he was good but I mean there. They're not full capacity. Are they let me gets every third seed or something? I wonder if they opened full capacity. Would they be able to sell it out and like I don't think people are even go out the spotting thing in this? Yeah I don't know the way laid out. Was You know? Listen we're going to be Klay. Everyone's have masks here in amassing amass the workers and gloves the the seat the placement completely start thinking well. Man's trying harder. Can I mean the the golf courses should also be opened up this ridiculous so stupid? I can go sit in a park right now in a field. And that's fine but you can't go carry a stay. Seven states are open now for Gulf. I was GONNA say because I think in Connecticut Rhode Island their points around New York fucking New York. I mean there are places in upstate. New York that are just like any other more rural state way up. But they're all we're all having to live under the same rules as New York City because Baker fucking idiot and says Marty Walsh all the respect of their elected officials. But they're fucking dumb He does some good readings he does but But but yeah four nine seven hold on. We'll get tomorrow night goodnight. Mardi forty-seven states can play golf. Which telling you is a golfer. It's fucking safest thing there is right now safest. I don't imagine how that would even be dangerous. Because if you're going to go with the pack of two cards fully with guys in there that I get but you can but it's not going to be like the tournament we played in at foxwoods. No even that. If you took your own Carter you walked. You played weird there that you could say. As Far Away People's you want to be six feet away from anybody all day long as you're not run into each other on each T- then you're not even be fine with carts. I mean if your brother anyways what's the deal if you sit shotgun with him its support for. The next brother is not been with you for the last three months though. I'm talking about you and your brother. That's what I'm saying. But he has been around. What I'm saying is on a golf course. You're deciding that so if you guys want to sit in the same car together with the yeah well I mean the difference is that we go and spread. Whatever I mean. I understand what they're saying. It's dumb annual. Nick carts you can fucking walk and you can be. You can never be within. If you want fifty yards the guy playing with all day ten yards whatever it is. It doesn't matter plus on a daily today. The virus can't even stay alive very long. No virus has gone. It's gone this a fucking dumb. I'm with L. Alvanos's I'll fucking government is all phony balloon steal can melt in two seconds. I'm done bucking the e flat as convenient. It doesn't even matter. Four guys in Fucking Studio Moon Enough enough good night moon. That's the fucking moon exist. Good night the moon doesn't exist is fucking idiot. Marty Walsh who honestly if you put a plate of Shit in Pharma fucking either. He's so dumb. I listen to this idiot. Have an impact on my day to day life because the other Pussy Baker sitting there. Crying fraud is sitting there. You know they're keeping me from fucking get my handicap down the seven fuck off. Yes but both of you. It is why they're doing to fuck each other to that. I would say you fuck away. Benham right over. Fuck this asshole. They want anyway. They love each other crazy in. My opinion is the todd whether you're looking at each other. Say that good good opinion. I think they're attracted to each other sex race evening John Boehner's they look at each other. Fuck like crazy. It's my opinion my opinion. I understand what's is that bad. No Mardi all of a sudden. That's bad sexual. It's very Very progressive I am cockerel bed. Yeah Yeah Yeah okay. The boyfriend who school. He was strapping athlete. Feel and what the fuck really I mean. Just what the fuck right long way saying? Open up the fucking. Golf Courses Really. Jesus Christ let me hear Mardi Blues Book Boys and girls is good night moon moon in the Great Green Room. There was a telephone and a red balloon and a picture of what is them. I don't know the cow jumping over the moon with three little Biz sitting in a chair. He has the perfect voice to Mata. That's true I really WanNa know. She approached Cullen. Parents are actually showing this to their kids. Nobody there's nobody. Watch a pair of had nineteen thousand views and a little psycho are people. We'll be watching intern. Show call in a branch in a bowl full of much nike using. I mean good that the city employees who do produce that are essential. Well I mean there are there are also as I mentioned last time clearly. Racist what they haven't read books of any black authors a that and they're also What culturally Inappropriate appropriating or was it foreign languages. We'll just last. Oh Yeah Yeah you know Marty. I'm sure my Mardi speaks. Haitian creole insured regret. All right. Kids speaks kickback. Is that a language. Oh God Jesus Christ tally Mon. You had for me makes me think ice. Go that point every on To frauds God politician. It's amazing you look around. These two Indians effectively. The two most powerful people in the state I guess right basically. Yeah then the two people running for president fucking stupid talking about the only the only honest Paul we have is Donald Trump. Trump's tweet this morning talking about the one about the fucking plague you see this morning. I did see him if they thank God. Kim Jong Oud is doing better between now. It'd be great to see him doing well. Something like that. It is doing this. It really is. It's nice very search. Great seeing a frigging basically some murdering lunatic. Glad he's back. I W I guess what is he writing his own Bible verses now here it is book of trump says from this is from this morning ten forty three am and then came plague a great and powerful plague in the world was never the same again but America rose from his death and destruction always remembering it's many Wa- souls and the lost souls over the world became greater than ever before. He's a prophet for our time. Do you think he looked like I'm just imagining him. Googling that and then copy pasting like you look that up your team right in her. I think he wrote it a little bit a little bit of poetry there. He's pretty religious guy. I mean he's. He's very very familiar with the Bible. All for sure. See Nine hours ago. Keep Punching Mike tweets it convicted rapists Mike Tyson. You know sports centers like he still scary at fifty three and shit us. Especially if you're a woman ask Robin givens. We the shit out of all those Ray Washington. I believe he went to jail for a crime he did not commit. Tyson his true. It's weird. He doesn't claim he did it but he claims doing a lot of stuff he admits to doing a Lotta Shit and says but that one I go so while they seem fair defense. Good Day for Elvin in the boys by the way because he to he retweeted some Some Q. Stuff. They're really big on Cunanan. The president just re tweeted a storm is coming fuel. I those kind of sense to me was I gonNA say they miss over the weekend and I was paying attention. But that's all it's all corona virus and tar. Rees was supposed to do that interview with Fox With Chris Wallace which actually would have been a good one then she pulled out and cancelled it so all the Biden people are saying well no surprise that she withdrew wire donald stores. Bogus too right. Well I mean I as soon as I knew it had anything to do with Christine. O'donnell by kind of a nut. They say by museum at the event now. Well I mean but the thing is if you told me. That Biden was googling. Some fourteen year OLDS BREASTS. Like that definitely happened. Yes I feel like the the video The twitter threat of all the videos with him fondling different. Women sure hasn't gotten enough plan that she made it up. That's still pretty bad right. Oh yeah maybe it'll turn out to be true. I have no idea and I don't know and I do WanNa now Tara. Reid wouldn't come on here to pull out of this interview. That doesn't make me question. Things Shirt Biden. I'm saying the man is innocent or small. Seems it could be a pretty friendly landing spot. Emeco is just Emeka all day covering retweeting every great trump Biden thing. No Ham. Count All day. I mean she did. She does good a job as she could`ve. Whom Comey Yeah. I don't know what I mean Chris. Wallace is pretty good. I'M GONNA tear down the middle. He is for Fox Suzy. Certainly yeah I don't know how terror would do but I mean I think at some point she does have to tell her story on a bigger platform than that. I agree on on on cameras. Well I'm not saying that she's telling the truth or not but I think for her to be effective. She wants to be effective just to do whether it's she could do like a youtube thing like with. Megan Kelly Kellyanne for the movie right. Even something like that works really friendly audience. I mean come on here. We would ask her questions but I think she definitely needs to be asked about the the love for Putin. I mean all those us on medium. It's I mean it's conspiracy theory stuff coming from the left and team Biden. But it's it really is interesting that she spent so much time. Just like you know apologizing for this guy. I guess I mean yeah mean I don't want again you know. I think it's credible I'm the one you think it's credible accusations but actually feels like from Friday to now. It's how fast things move. You can only go by the move. Passes US now guy downs? I think in the MSNBC. Who's done on Friday? Didn't look good. I think you got the best performance out of him. You could've considering how he loses his way in almost every other interview. He kept it together about as good as you could expect. That's still wasn't good was it wasn't GonNa say I'm not saying it was convincing her. It's more about her floating away. I think in seeming media and they painted our. You know what they do. They painter like lunatic. And then you know. I was surprised when she backed out of this. I thought that would be pretty good spot for. Yeah Chris Wallace. She says she's doing it because she's getting death threats which I totally believe but not doing the Chris. Wallace interview isn't going to make the death. Threats throwaway no. That's true. I don't understand that that's I'm sure and I'm sure she would just be. She's traveling for it. She's doing it from her house right. Yeah yes I know. Obviously this point I think also the Associated Press apparently had the story last year and just they spiked it and now the New York Times editorial board says that the only solution here is for the DNC to put together an unbiased panel to Delaware documents that you get the New York. Times the paper of record saying we can't investigate sexual assault allegations the DNC needs to put it together an unbiased panel. That's great unbelievable. Gloria allred's daughter. Lisa Bloom. That's that's a hell of a tweet pilot tar read. I believe you. I'm still going to vote for your rapist protected wines wines'll for for years. She said the tweets. She got some balls. I'll give her that. It's amazing the amount of people. Now you hear that. Say Hey listen. These may be credible accusations but there is such a thing as due process or is that the last three years. I think you're GONNA start to see a little movement on the left saying. Hey we need to pick somebody else an easing unless it picks up again next couple of days. It's GonNa blow what what's come over. Is it just now in the New York Times? Saying IT'S TIME FOR PLAN B. I I really really. Who wrote that? Elizabeth Bunich G. She's like she's like far left. The terrific yeah but I think you will see a kind of a groundswell of people. I don't think it will ultimately be effective but groundswell people saying the justice. He didn't like now. Who's your. Who's your most favorite tough call you who's on just in Algebra. I figured John from screen has not been. Jesus Christ can be on well. Andy Mayo bailed at the last minute so I need someone reading. Yes well there you go. Yeah so I got Allison Black Tuesday night Yeah are you ready to? I'm a little concerned if listening giggle his way through Mike and the fans. Did you hear the sad Sad News for you. What's that not his favorite broadcast. Oh where's I didn't hear that I failed twenty minutes because I evalu- black so so far. I love and he's like you know he's getting killed on social media. Since I had my first ever confident moment. He asked me he goes. Are you worried I'm GonNa take your job and I was wrong. Broadcaster Alex Jones. Let's do your see that coming. Your show is more unique. He's a broadcast. Don't no question. Yeah no question Alex Jones. How about eating people going all in? I love that job. Sorry so serious. A complete phony. I mean could be faker Alex Jones. I'll admit I will eat my neighbors. I'm just going to be awesome powers being honest. I've extrapolated this out you say superpowers. Bima melted under under questioning. That lawyer you did. The whole show is a character straight. It was it was that the custody hearings for his kids and his wife's argument was basically I mean he's of course he's not a good father. He's Alex Jones Shit that comes out of that's all made up playing a character. Yeah and then. After the fact he said that some of his answers are bad because he's eaten a big bowl of Chili right before that can happen. We've only had an upset. Can Export chillier seconds. Osama's fever it's tough must be brought. Well I guess I'll make it through it. Well no he was fine. I mean it was it was it was fine but he seems like well what. I hear talkie seems I hate to say. It's such a lightweight. Yeah I expected more from the more. I told him that my problem is now that he's a nice guy. He's exactly what I thought it would be. That he comes on. He's Pretty Nice Guy. You can have a casual conversation with them. But he's not this this bad boy the the youtube channel that. It's true trying to be that I didn't like when he said. Oh you know I was just kidding with a tongue-in-cheek about me running the calling the shots on my show with Kirk God. That was good when you said that. Justin call them out for that. Yeah I don't like that sees stick by Alastair Black so Tuesday. I'm fading to black right correct rate antastic Shania Tuesday night. Then Boggling Hammy. He's handsome king. He can't deny that he is somebody. Reamer a little bit a young you. Maybe that's Yeah Khurana whether you Roger. He didn't like Oh that joke now I'm gay. I guess he was very upset. I I hate to say I thought he was a no. He Says No. No dice could be straightened. Put a lot of time into your hair. Absolutely I just I just I. Maybe it's a false assumption. Just no big deal is. It's great one you know. We've got this Knuckles worth advice. You're trying to get people on just the Marty Walsh and Charlie Baker God. Great up a fiery episode. Oh that slush fund money use those motel roofs just an hour? Who Good can we come back to work? It'll be strategies this I was thinking the other day it'd be great if Menino was still alive and still mayor doing these daily which if he said he would be mayor phenomenal absolutely. Yeah just hearing vice as any better. No it's true so uninspiring and watch any of them. It's so uninspiring. Just because you know. They know nothing. Marta was actually sounds like the movie version. Romeo Shavers Yeah. The Guy Played Jonny sack played him in Patriots Day. Oh really thanks so yeah. Since the age seemed right for the ages of upright he's probably actually probably wouldn't you think about the fifteen years? Oh that's True Apogee. I bet you it's pretty close. Yeah he played them and it wasn't. Maybe you could see it. Is he the one line. He's barely at a picture. That being off. Maybe yeah maybe not. I don't know but he was. Many many wasn't that old when he died right. No helping so I bet she was. Maybe seventy may I was late seventies. Oh I don't you might be right but I don't think so Looked terrible way. I had been sick for a while. It was born in forty two forty two. He actually was up there when you die. Fifteen twenty fourteen percent to seventy one seventy two died. Cullen wrote a story about this the last time I had dinner together. Yeah it was The the version of time which versus my way better I think in Conroe I mean. Listen the sex pistols. I like it dinner you. What did you ask you care for? This version. Photography called him in the Tummy. Means Steve were wondering Debating I guess I said I wonder what cullens reaction was when you heard about that episode. But Steve didn't think it would have ever got excellent. He deleted his twitter and he lives in Super Bowl. Gez Yeah maybe who's GonNa tell them that's That's I if we I guess we are. Another podcast is entire episode shitting on one of us. We we would go through it like half a show on a great acting like the episode with the fight about that Tuesday. No you didn't like Was A fucking idiot? Then he didn't like the whole week last week down on Sunni that he said the show Feld stale and I said how can you say that with Thursday's episode either guys never hosted a show before nine a show host that she pushed records dying before? Well Yeah of course. He does Contemporary Hits Radio. Finally Tuesday the Info at a people. You do what else going on. I'm sure I'm sure it considering how sensitive he was around Mike. He won't be shaky with you. Don't want to be false anything going on. Correct your own. Okay I will tell you this good. Oh he did admit the rules will bullshit by the way. I thought you said you said he's GonNa play by early. Yeah he he. He was just that was tongue in cheek. I'm like didn't seem like he said something else was in chic as well Justin Coleman. We've go on Mother's Day is Six days away. 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Jesus SMITH'S COUNTRY CHEESE DOT COM. The code is K. I R. K. R. Steve what's up? What's Shakin we need to figure out the broadcast team four five? Oh Yeah we can give away the five K. Or today yes we can do that. Oh explain this to. Because I've gotten several tweets this law the tweets. People got the shirt this week and that's great Running as May twenty third. She's we are now nine thousand nine days away from it as you listen this morning So people are saying to what they're confused about. How did the time in the APP and everything? So why are they going to do that with the show either? The APP is called charge running. So you just need to download that APP and use Promo Code Kirk and you'll be able to use it for free the day of and then you just have that APP Open. While you're running the five K okay and that. App will that we'll be able to signal when it starts okay and the Apple. Keep Track of how far you've run and you're also going to hear commentary from The broadcast let's tweet that out because people a little confused by that. Yeah so let's let's make that clear for people we're GONNA have. We're GONNA have us a copy that we're reading four charge running. Okay now that's GonNa that's GonNa perfectly explain how these people know okay but if they do everyone at the same time we'll be hearing the same thing that comes to the but if you pay for the shirt can you. Can you do this still tim? Sangyang what are you paying for that? What do you mean with the forty dollars that the shirt and everything? Yeah you got that you at the shirt and access to the APP. Okay if you give if you didn't get the shirt the of also have access to the APP We can email. We can make like a special email that as do that can so I mean yeah. You're paying for your so all right good so we'll do that. We'll make that clear two weeks. A couple of weeks go forward. Would you say the broadcast team? So I. I was thinking that I will do the primary broadcast just to make sure that the tech side of that goes okay. I think we're going to need a team of broadcasters I would say Scott Doncaster is available at her is on quality performance. Hopefully is yeah. I I checked in with last week. He's still alive. Okay that's good all right fine. That's fine no no big deal so I guess if you're interested in and if you can't run it and you're interested in being part of the broadcast team just to reach out to your chops are for for doing that. Boy Talking to pay for her mom level of crew. Anybody that you would. I would like somebody. You know like a sideline reporter. Somebody live my scene. Chumps for running. Oh we will need anti social distance. I know some people will be. There will be keeping a nice distance from each other as we head down Bruce Freeman trail. Right right right there at the Wherever the hell that plazas called we'll go you know mile and one point five five at one point five five in learning measured. So we're good to go people who are watching the streaming video of this. We'll see a leaderboard so it's going to be very competitive. There's going to be like the top twenty will care so you can watch on youtube or something and see if people are passing so we'll basically be doing live running commentary on a leaderboard. Okay good good good. How about you where you intend running? I was GonNa say me and Teddy. You're going out for a practice. Run next Sunday. Oh okay I don't exactly know we're thinking track. Obviously but we got a map out a legal round like around the track a bunch of Times. I guess so that seems like the easiest way when I'm looking for the easiest way. Well pushing a kid in a wheelchair with brittle-bone correction you're blind and there's no guessing. I would prefer you guys do it. You know it's going to be something rocky right yes? I think it's going to be some phil maybe through sand flat but I'm saying you know trailers you know something where there's some potential are getting lost or syrup like I said he just totally smashes up completely something like that. I'll make sure to do that. Do you do in your first run next Sunday in a film that hopefully in some way match? We'll just I don't know how we're GONNA take him. He can use his hands right. Eight Kenny Phil iphone. We do it could probably do that. We'll work it out with him. Seems capable okay so Scott. We've nobody else yet. Signed for nobody else. No but I'm thinking we'll be able to do a call in with Ted so we could check on Mike pushing him. We'll be able to have that capacity to check in with people during it or no non the ability read. We do but they're basically have to like call while they're running people can do that though. Yeah that's difficult time that's true. Yeah if you're looking to win I suppose not but I don't know what does it matter if you win Bragging rights. I guess huge fans are battling each other more on this so just over dump stuff honestly. I see things like the strangest place. You're right somebody like I said somebody tweet. That means that they're gonNA run on train tracks. Well it's pretty good at that. Somebody's somebody said they have a finish line. They map that there were the finish line is GONNA be In the certain street and they certain town where we want to have the vigil interesting. That's a good. That's a good finish spot. I also think I tweeted this out that people you have those running apps like marks where the route Iran up. Can you spell out something cool with your five impress? If they could do that. People can do Zella. Yes whatever yeah yeah. Rip I've heard from people that are running both my colleague around my colleges and your prep school. I believe Oh Wow hurt. This nice runs around there. That's good. I like that. Yeah we'll check in check in today and see how many people have signed up but I think we're close to over a thousand. I think we are. Yeah it's exciting the have Scott now the promise of getting listen to Scott broadcast during a run. The People's really we also one thing I was going to play it like a DJ and I was going to Push out some of the best parody songs for people to listen to while they run okay but we can also we also have the option of putting together a spotify playlist of your favorite song. It's also people. Listen thank you probably WANNA listen to the broadcast. I guess yeah I like music. I guess I had nothing music was from. I run but yeah I was thinking it'll be a little bit of commentary and then we'll play like you know rape or something like that and if there's some fish some exciting results of that race you know. I do like what's up the idea of Scott alone having to broadcast but he's not watching the very long run. These little bit of life is as far as ivy. Will you be participating in the in the broadcaster. Now I'm going to be running the broadcast. Yeah Okay I'm GONNA be like the primary host but like Dave was okay because was able to speak while he produced. Tennis is going to be the yeah. I'm going to be the I'm going to be the primary host and then I'll just bring other people in for color okay. Yeah I'm sure other people will be step moving willing. Maybe maybe I'll have like cameron from tri-state running company jump on and do be the special running analyst right. How how the weather conditions of the day modified the CFPB over the country. I mean the visit. Several countries are participating. So I'll be. I'll be curious to see how it goes. The only question is is if You know a couple of days from now. There's a huge spike in corona virus cases. And what are these idiots? We were talking about earlier. Make some policy. That would fuck us over by. We're doing it yeah. Of course breaking news we are bucking run in that race outside. Any I mean you know I mean that. Yeah who knows what? What was the numbers shoe saying? I haven't checked. I think we're over over one hundred fatalities sure of that but that means it went down yesterday so I duNNo. Looks like they're There's a little activity at the funeral parlor across the street. Oh really very senator early on I can go. We love nurses. God knows this bother you guys. Are The nurses dancing around talk? Really? It's I don't think I understand that. Look I get it. Probably going crazy too and they're trying to blow off steam but when I see that night understand their hospitals probably slower than other ones. I think of like like there's somebody in there who's not feeling great right. Yeah somebody whether they've corona virus or not in there like they. Give me elaborated like like you know. Really choreographed dance scenes. In like titanic seen. I was Kinda wrangling with how to feel about that because on the one hand it's gallows humor and it's dark and it's stressful for them. They're right there it's just. It's just not tasteful perspective like thirty forty years from now when that people are not ames and they're like it was the one of the roughest times made history. Here's some footage enemy clap for. The nurses were the firefighters who you know. We're still putting out fires after nine eleven like the doing wacky video time zero laughing and joking and of course it's like being in the wake or funeral of that has happened just seems weird but I I is optically. Just not just putting on videos seem very ill advised one. I saw was like I was like the fucking thing took time and the other thing is I mean. There are even if you're not in the hospital if you're not struggling from health condition there are a lot of people who small businesses have been completed yet over there suffering. They WANNA get back to work and on their social media they see nurses you know humping. Iv Poles give. You lost a job and you see some idiot and social media bragging while making six hundred thousand dollars in the stock market within the Hassle. Lose thirty fair. That's true but yeah I see them like oh cheese. That is not a great. Look what are you? Thinking is the only defenses that it's a it's a coping mechanism for. Maybe the only thing keeping from this era. I saw somebody to one of these hospitals around by forget which one maybe mass general may be Beth. I forget that when the patients leave like they're healthy. The Corn embarrassments are finally cure their clap gauntlet. No they play sweet caroline. Leeann fucking Guy Killed God. You mentioned hearing that you're well. How many to one of these people like when I go to the Games and like little kids like that Song. I really not one of these. It's just it's tired but when you're when you're being like what the fuck what's working there and be here all the time. It's though it's awful that they pick that's on but any saw any weird so long pleasure. You've done your job and they've gotten better now they can go. Home isn't enough. Jesus Christ purchased your personalized message for the scoreboard. Out in at Fenway. Oh you can you do that. Yes they're doing that they're not doing. A charitable campaign. John Henry wants you to give money to his charity so that he can Take care of the poor misfortune or no. I'm sure Censor you're pretty open minded for fifty dollars you can have a personalized text message projected onto the John. Hancock Center Field Board for one hundred dollars. You can text and image. Oh Wow it's similar. People get to work on that broadcast to know. Do we really want to give their donning? No no no absolutely not. Don't do that. All right what else Well we had that The Renee Graham her Boston Globe column. I think you're fired up about that. I was fired up on Friday and all weekend. Still now I mean I hate to bring up the guy's name so much but this fucking reach such a creep gotta them and if you don't know where he is that's fine he's nothing but He's the worst human being an just the worst he makes. Murchison look like fucking John Featherstone. Honestly he's just you know just a piece of shit and he's a lose hate to compare those two with all but I mean he's just such horrible horrible horrible human being he's been like this forever and he's made fun of Jerry's cancer and he's made fun of my parents and my mental health. He's putting up pictures of my family. All my family members suggested something all my family members are ugly and he won these fake accounts that Kate was adopted and thank God. She's adopt issues. That have like just a fucking total Dick So we tweet something out Friday. I was so pissed off about. I think people actually thought this tied into that lunatic call on Friday. Didn't use some Asoka call. There was a plant. I have no idea. But there's a chain of events that had conserve when Richie. Oh I had him on my podcast. A year ago melted like a little fucking baby. I mean cry basically told me. How great is your buddy? Yeah he's I hate them. I fucking hate and I hate to bring up his name but you know what when you shit like this room my family into it. Fuck off And he brought my family. So I'm Gonna I'm telling you right now. I think this is a good move professionally toasty this. I do text messages that I just don't respond to. I think it's going to be easy to do. I'm taking down Apple. Fuck you listen to Apple. Fuck you all right. We're coming fuck you and your four year old you have you know dying as they put these fucking phones together which I have but still. I mean you're fucking scumbags in Dan Richey O'Brien's brother whom funds him is some vice president there or something we've heard from a long time. He wants to bring my family. Hello Dan get used to me motherfucker until you disavow once you disavow to me in apologize publicly on public statement saying you stop funding your brothers Yechury. Yes and his fucking campaigns against people's a ridiculous campaigns until that happens I'm fucking. I'm going after you going after your mother fucking company. That's it we'll broadcast if you get your apple goal is to do whatever. But I'm I'm looking at Steve's fucking the apple thing right now on these fucking laptop I am coming at you. Mother fuckers I- Kirkman hand 'em taking apple down down those. Let me Steve Jobs. I want you to take him back. You fucking baby. I'm taking you all down jobs. Release jobs as book can worse father lived. I am taking this can company down Yom. Don't tell mad respect to my girl. Sassy snacks. I'm taking a big bite out of that. That's not doing this for a couple of Exist a couple of years gone by goodbye Dan Richey. Oh who's going to stores? Premieres of Brian Regio Fucking Force Awakens Fun family activity fuck off. I cannot wait cannot wait to take apple down a worm and apple headquarters thank you yes. I'M GONNA HAVE TIM. Cook begging me begging meals. Goodbye ministers have been great. The last couple of days have not good enough not enough not enough not enough. None of were taken apple down. We're going toward the name. This episodes Kirkman hand declares worn apple talking about win the Paltrow's kid either. Although she's next to that fucking name. I am taking fucking apple down. Bye Bye bye bye bye bye bye bye you know what? I'm planning a fucking seed. I am to tease and Apple. Try Three PS two peas. Okay misheard you get more time to think of one starts with P. Thank you problematic if you think of that one. Great start us Estrin perverts well. I'M GONNA speculate those of you have Richard Blood and you can't be good normal person. Does he just speculating? I have no idea for doing. I do diligence like Bryan doesn't my family. That's all this creep who I'm sure. Dan Reaches Funding. So I call Riggio on Friday. Got His number called him. Walk Number Up. I mean I bought my number. Obviously this fucking guy turtled so fast. You wouldn't fuck believe the earliest does. Oh then delete every account. Got Rid of everything now. The fence help with that too. I hear might be hard. Lines might be busy now. I heard that too. But you know what you go there. You go call Gulf to kids and fucking family members and call people racist and assholes proof. I'm so sick of that. So fucking sick of that stupid fucking charge so dumb if you spent if you took the energy he spends. I'm sorry by the way. Ps The news. We learned last week to call me. Racist is pretty fucking interesting. Oh Yeah let's be fair here you know. I'm I'm grapple with a what family wise here but I mean you really can't be racist actually pot I say pot ca- can't do that but you know what I'm saying here. Here's progressives they come up I'm just saying you know fuck this guy. Fuck Apple Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck you. Apple found his Amazon wishlist is shopping list. Who I know that's true or not appropriate. He's irrelevant now he's he doesn't matter the matter. He's just a little symptom. I'm going to vastly Kirkman. The Hand Fash. Yes Roy. Ask should never go after the enemy. Who is responsible for eighty percent of the listens to the Kirkman as fuck off? I don't think I glare. I'm already I know I know you did. Yes Mike Mike New bike. I said you'll be. You'll be out of apple soon enough so fuck them fuck off. That's the key I can't wait. Can't wait to go to war with Apple. Can we laugh your lawyers allow more money? Guess I think we'll take it but I think he's probably somebody who's just started working. There probably have more money than that's about it but still more money than the all the workers in China. That's true as two year olds in the womb. They work for them but can come up with phones rate in. May I mean Jesus as part of this where Dispatching Mike to Wuhan to do some investigative journalism around there factors true. Yes we're going to read Robbins all over the action. The Mike always use it off the now work. Well yes no bleeping anymore. We're good six part. Vegetative series agree to show. It would budget for that So yeah I mean I just such a I mean you guys know. He's the reprehends the WHOA. He's actually merchants evil richest worse the disease. He's just a loser. He is just so gross. Gross he's hate him. I hate his brother and his family is the biggest piece of shit like he's ashamed. British deeming qualities. Do we have that sound with a great sound of that revere. Well you're talking about this sound. What sounds that but I mean hey. I called you out on that to Kobe. What was he says? My my with hymns better than those two. Knockoff sheds they did a good job. Buddy Ricchiuto got lives in them. I just think there's more money which brother I'm HP That's a good question. Yeah I mean he was to do a good job here. He started working at apple in nineteen ninety six. So I'm two thousand one. I'm not sure I thought he did. But then he came back or something. I don't know he's probably worth two hundred million now today checking a couple of months even more troubling this. Summer is a revere councilman. Yeah this is a revere city Councillor Zoe that was also released had to do with an event in which my children were a victim in two thousand nine. This person has been me for the past month and a half. I know who it is but this person has been harassing me in an event in which no one should know what took place in which only the DA. The Revere Police Department and myself should know but this person who released who got this information. Here also reiterated reiterated that they know of another event and they speak of the date exactly so if they're going after my kids to get to me. I'm a public official. It's disgusting and I won investigation from the state auditor and the state police and I will also say this. Currently there is an investigation by the state police by Sajjan shanks and. I'm going to find out WHO's doing this. And you surf. You go near my kid again. I'm going to beat the Shit is do we have gone or my thinking. Oh we try try. Try THEM ON. But what goes after kids each the slime bag and think? I could be wrong from wrong. Great proved me Danny be be Muslim. Doesn't get any money. Well we we've heard about it from former former friends of Mr retrial. That he has Subsidized by a rich relative and that was before we knew that his brother was one of the people at Apple so we can give them a Penny Penny Zuma Gift Card in the last couple of years. I'm coming at you motherfucker right. I'm this is no joke. You go have to my family. I'M GONNA fucking I hope everything you've done. Your career is above board. That's all in the cigarette with isn't I'm GonNa fucking take you down. I don't WanNa make it a political thing but reach Yo is a left wing liberal activist and he's used as like a convenient tool by otherwise you know Non dirtbag politicians on the left of course enabled him because he's he's willing to come in and do the dirty tricks. There's also want to be associated also relationship with Shirley with Bob we know that and with Elizabeth is a picture of him with Elizabeth Warren. Now I mean to be fair I mean does Elizabeth Warren endorse everything. He's done yes. Okay yes I'm saying just to be clear by me. She might not know but surely does. I know they've worked together. And I know free us at least Murchison and Shirley will at least lie about working for a call. They claim to believe in something. Richard is purely doing to eighty twenty seconds of my time. But I can't I can't help you win you fucking do you ever my kids my family. My Wife Fuck off fuck you in. Fuck your stupid fucking brother. That's that would say. Yeah and fuck apple that Shit Bag fucking company take by podcast down. I don't care drive out there during this outgoing headquartered fucking shit right in the middle of the building fucking care apple or you gotta go catch. Caro- virus first now. Let's say you're saying I'm the boss Dan. It's questions if you give them a thirty CENT GIFT CARD SOMEWHERE. You're fucking response over this asshole. So maybe they're not if they're not great but if they you know so there you go we. We are declaring war. Yeah why did he come? Psychopathic seemed awfully coincidental. After that episode particular counts around. Yeah I didn't know why I think that's I think that's actually over okay. You got like that guy. The college finals loser. But I mean that happens every once in a while. Yeah that call didn't seem Richaud. Oh driven like when people care about like me your book when he wouldn't bring up me. That didn't seem like is full of Shit. I mean the idea that his listeners. Isn't that twitter's stupid? That Guy Right. Yeah so where? Did you find the phone number shows stupid? Fucking Heydrich Yo. Hey Richard this fucking brother so they just goes my family with for no reason children with no proof with five of the guy who enabled us so there you go. I don't know her Mike. Say the start the show. It Stroz wore the same shirt the same day. Mike was not big on a soft cell but this tristate running. I was January. I no reason to be selling it. That's why I was very serious about you. Said your no reason to be selling. 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Let's pick a winner. Two tickets to the Wilbur. Steve and the winner is Josh Pacelle. Christ fucking asshole. It was number picking pick a different one. No I don't have his phone number. Where's he from We don't I don't know there's an. I have to tell you the the process of trying to get this because barstools adamant about protecting all of their consumer information has been Very involved okay. Maybe steps we got Josh Pacelle. Yes Only A. He's he's already get tickets at Wilbur. It From what do you mean we might have had previously have them? He may already have them. You know he's got two more now in the VIP there you go so congratulations to Josh. P. A. S. E. L. Yes Gosh L. S. E. L. L. Revenue Patel Shit Glengarry for all right Josh Pacelle of Schenectady issue winner. Congratulations by the way. The last thing I'll say about Tristate running companies that. They're they're starting limited. Open the last thing you no just for this AL camps say Jesus do in Edgewood Kentucky Screen Sonetti Ohio They're they're going to be starting some limited local location. So if you're if you're saying if you're if you're close to their locations in Edward Edgewood Kentucky Cincinnati Ohio you've actually go and get a fitting in the store is opening curbside pickup doing some some limited openings in those areas and you'd rather do that You can check him out fantastic for massive Kentucky audience audience. Yes I know everyone basis out on some fucking thing the DC. Like three times. I know I think Steve's looked at the also also based on our geographic information. Stop Listening. I say wait. That's right off. The supporting the Water Malone fucking tries to go to war with spotify to trust running to be bigger than apple and a couple of years. That's my prediction. F seger bigger bigger. Bigger apple is stupid. Name already get my phone at Tri State. Run A company. You do You open up the phones. We'll take a few calls and we'll do some other stories gets out of the way the way you don't have to talk about a couple of days put on a happy face. Simone name just you know trying to get through the week I understand. So how's everyone's weekend? Was THIS PROCESS. So we've got a tweet out the number the phones. I suppose accept a call in with Google voice into the studio and then you have to put in for some reason a show pin on a show number and then a host pin number the whole thing. Ma Thank you ruin you the whole story. Were you asked? You specifically said why does this take so long ice cream? Where's my Goddamn ice cream? You mentioned that a couple of where is it? What kind of Ice Cream? Which cookie dough. Maybe oh excellent. Choice last night for it absolutely. It's warmer than usual. So go out for a lick after this sense cut cheese Guy Bedford Ben Farms asking. What's his name? My boy big Fan. This show good ice cream. Go get it delicious really bad ice cream though. Have you tried the hand scooped? Ice Cream I have not disappoint closed and then reopened again. What an odd and now. I think. They're having a tough time. That's hard to be busy at. This is not easy. We're GONNA treat all yet stupid. Yes Sunday night. Special Aerial Special Super Special. I think we have had some nice bent. Wonderful five hours sheds again for another week. Are they lined up? Or what they're not lined up now. I Beg your pardon. They're not letting Sunday night. Starting now. They're starting to come expected. It's beautiful night. I don't WanNa get in their way and Sheldon. Let's get this over with doing this outside grilling that'd be fun. Throw line walk around. Tell them what we see. Hello welcome welcome. Welcome to the program. Hey what's going on? What's up okay? I was high energy earlier before I was talking to my buddy I wanted to call in about the show and I was kinda aggravated. I couldn't get in you know I've been calling for the past couple of John. You're on now. I don't really need the preamble making the Western here to coaching. Soprano twenty. Sopranos as to. What do you want right? I just wanted to get to my point here. It was just oh you didn't know hold on your apple everything else get to your point you'll get your point. Which is the fucking point. Anyway go ahead. You're right okay. So my point is I'm so sick of these guys. Here's the thing one second. Here's a if it's if it's cavanaugh. They gotta say the opposite they certainly would. And that's true grabbed today. I mean if it's a black person they treated one way white person entirely different. Where was Nancy I said this earlier? Where was Nancy Pelosi for the last three? That's exactly go ahead. I Beg your pardon Jesus Christ okay so waiver guys calling and they're like hey kirk. Hey Kirk what was the second line in the first movie that came out of the third week of the not liked. It makes you feel good about myself. You know that my life it makes me feel good about myself get it. Well the crust. No are proud of you. It's about you. Tonight is fine question. What do you want what do you? What do you want particularly guys climates? Gas Dollah said that fucking clap. That cares cared. It's not your fault. Jesus Christ GONNA do Kirk. It's got nothing to play with a great podcasts out there goes mark married. He's credited you have you. Have you have pockets? A Nice Guy on behalf. Ask questions okay. We'll you know what when they when they call in hit the thirty jump ahead thirty seconds. What do you want me to watch it? I I just say comedy. That's right now. Who are when you when you ripped. Hey when you rip that guy in the last show that was the sickest thing ever. It's like I've been waiting for that from you like so long to do it on the radio on and when you rip that guy and the ten minute made you feel good. I hope you slept better than night. Fantastic go hang on your friend. You would tell us a ball. Asca by buck you in your friend. Friend Scher friend. Best Point those guys call. We'll listen to it also black Pachinko callers coach. A good good is almost w with all callers sparks off and characters so callers to a seven year old woman. The fucking room with A. It's even want. Hey well first off. That guy's frigging idiot. Holy ship your genius Tom. No points So I was really listening to Colin today and It is tremendous thank. You have some think yes I do have something that I think you'll hear for you'll you'll you'll allow for a complaint. It's not with you but it's with the fucking network. First off season for episode. Eighteen correct next week is season. Finale had this that well look at look at look at the new network shows. Now look like this is us I guarantee you. They have full seasons guaranteed. Just twenty twenty. Well they're not calling. It would be a plan right so nineteen wouldn't be planned out. You're saying if the season got cut off it's always like twenty two or twenty four. This is US look up. This is US. Look it up. This is skies right. It's a point quite frankly. I was too scared to bring up. Because he was so genius. This season for eighteen episodes eighteen eighteen. Not An odd number so fucking difference. One is the difference. What's the difference odd-numbered seasons? I know I don't think so. Ever not on purpose. Why would not be a purpose? This guy's right obviously before the network the network we're thinking which are thinking of. It doesn't work that way anymore. Are you going to the MED defending corporate here? I think maybe a fair partner. That's right. You're a young. I'm only when they're not fair. I'm I'm straight shooter. What what do you want? No other free of magnum. Pi Twenty three episodes season six twenty one season for twenty one seasoning both thirteen. Fuck you fuck you apologize or no. I'm not the new guys about this stuff. Trust me. It does seem odd caller. I think you're very brave for calling in with season three of the West Wing. Twenty one episodes season four twenty three episodes any. I'm just picking random television shows. I mean what else do you want to the long episodes just fucking correct. Correct me if I'm wrong. But generally along these lines the Episode before the season finale is the worst episode of series. That's true I don't know stupid. Run again you're fucking it wrong again. There's less civilised episodes of supremacist blue comet. We're fucking bobby dies. And so basically dies sopranos all almost all the time the second last episode the big episode running in wrong wrong wrong. You lost me on that one but I agree with his overall. The examples are white saw truth. Beans W P. It's it's an odd numbered seasons stupid stupid shit head. He was well intentioned. Who's next taking all these mother fuckers? Today all of them are trying to bring me down for some reason. Hello WHO's this Arab who to girl? Tara? Tara what do you want? I wanted to make sure you were a good. I'm great you sound. Trust Trust because there was stupid because everyone stupid. That's why I know I don't know why people are acting like we pretend. This is Tara Reid I mean let's just frustrating. That's all just annoying. Just aggravating annoying on Friday. I'm a genius when you're genius you'll get appreciated life and after death fuck it three weeks anyway. Who needs who needs it anyway. I just want it was funny. I'm actually watching the godfather right now and I saw the number come up so I figured I'd let you know that I'm watching it. And it's pretty good so far Our the hyphen okay. It's not really a part. Italy Italy. He just she okay. Killed the COP. He's off to Italy is he. Met His girlfriend yet. I don't think so. No spoiler the first naked people I ever saw women ever. So that's really attractive. I think he was like fourteen though in the show. Oh yes great. Move on the first time you've ever seen it now. That's first time you've ever seen it. Yes good you with Christian. Good excellent okay. Well enjoy the film. Have a nice evening. Thank you thank you for checking your only down okay. Goodbye goodbye goodbye. I do I love. I think it's funny that anyone just 'cause you saw the number pop up. What are you guys watching? That's great watched. Whatever for the first time say Jesus Christ Amanda Dobbins would never say that about the Democrat ever just saying that. I don't fucking saying that that's kind of clearance. Hello is this a load up? Steve still loaded up Kirk. Hello Yeah Hi guys. Is this the the the regular show or some Youtube Bullshit? What do you want? You're not playing cards right here with change your at are you want. What do you care to run this with? Fuck you care you have one point you get one point. If you're the first ones diesel give your second point so pick the best point I make it stick. Okay so I guess then. I'll go to my sopranos point. I'm I'm twenty two and I'm just trying to get into it. I the first season I didn't want the Phnom toward the end of the second season. I mean I feel like the appeal is not as much younger. Please don't don't watch it. Don't go it does in the show. Don't watch him. He doesn't like the second season. I would signed a windy place in Milan. In the patient's ship got some dummy last week is watch three movies. Adam Sandler and BUCKTON WHATEVER. Jail Kingpin being murder. Great man went to jail for now. I don't believe so whatever was drug drug a difference so there are some differences some minor differences. Fine he's a nice guy but that was embarrassed. He said he's watching it though. He tweeted that me. What was it goes? Yes you'll like that so I think I hope so. We like we love them. We're just killing. Never killed anybody to our knowledge but wherever whenever you have to stay alive in in the in the cells different sure it handled some tough almost murders totally different. When you're in jail it's a case they gave me what's up. What's up guys? I know you talked a lot about Netflix. Show sometimes Have OUTER BANKS KIDS TEEN and I've considered watching it but it just looks. It's not look like Dawson's Creek. Basically five years old chicks in the office talk about it a lot and they're they're selling much emerged. I can't I can't I can't what's for kids. It's for teenagers over. It's really bad. Maybe I'll watch it to talk about it but that's about it could be good for seeing whenever they're almost there visit. You Watch you don't know what's it called must see there you go. It's a whole episode. Yes see took might not even exist. That'd be a joke and we have no idea joke it'd be it'd be. Great Hondo TV review show John from scratch on that show is can take to get to work from Scranton. Ninety six shows. Jesus he does good work he does. We like him. We like everybody. We love everyone. We Love P seems to me. Almost like you're kind of agitated at only specifically foams correct. That's correct yes. You're you're safe. Hello Hello I'M GONNA GO UP Steve. They are loaded up. Could you think good evening mentioned the devastation? You get hung up on like that true. Yes six three that's you. Hey Hey how you doing really enjoyed Column last week it was a an artistic triumph. Thank you Yeah absolutely become gearhead I'm a fan of Mike and the mad fans. It's actually. I was watching Youtube a couple months ago and I stumbled upon and I said I gotta figure out I gotta I gotTA listen to this. Podcast at these guys are talking. Thanks believe that every time. That was funny it was funny. When that Guy's name Ryan who does all the number tweet seed tweets all the graphs Ryan for the fans Rise and it's funny. The lowest episode was men. Which made me laugh. By the way we have to have a conversation about mentors. Mentors trying to get back onto the youtube channel this week. I just. We'll talk about it. I just for his own safety. I'm not sure thought he was. We we made it pretty clear that he was suspended. The knees trying to trying to win those way back. Six months seems about right. Just STILL GETS. His mental health corrected. I did think he made a good point. That everything Alastair black was saying mentors kind of Senator Week before you think mentors is better than Alastair back. I mean I'm not setting magic history demos though I mean you got one. That's true he's younger. He's handsomer one three foot blimp with a nipple ring than black is kind of the Hollywood minute avenue. The movie mentors Predator poachers. Doesn't he work in Sydney? You very busy do anything else. Caller yeah yeah I got a question. Portia a big big classic of mine. Back in You know younger. I come home on on Saturday. Afternoon was always on. Tbs OR TNT or USA. Whatever big dumb stupid seventies movie smoking amid what do you think Yeah are you hold you forty four okay? So you're actually younger than me. That's a movie. It's like a couple of years older than me. People like I was never. He's great. He's Great boogie nights. I was never a massive burt Reynolds Fan. He always was too cheeky to me. He's always to winky at the camera. I don't know it just didn't work for me. He hung up comeback Sir. We weren't done with more. Listen to podcasts. That was pretty funny. I called maybe serious. We knows I have my doubts. I Dunno hello hello there. Lowe's up Steve. They're loaded up cartner. Good evening yes. Eight five seven. That's you hello. Hi Not difficult so I have two questions one for Mike and one for Kirk us Mike if Dave Porno di are you going to be happy or sad Based on the voice of like not allowed to come it way off probably way off was it. Sounds like I would say that will would you be? Would you have it because you can finally talk about Barstool? It does sound like what's the area eight five seven. This is USA. What is it no what else and the other question is Kirk do you ever think that maybe? Wb I worked with Bob. Murchison tickets you out. Yes but I think if everything when surprise me when I know there are sales people in the building who I would imagine what the Fed merchants of stuff maybe get me out quicker in sort of health insurance long run. It wouldn't surprise me. The sales people were scumbags wouldn't surprise me. I wouldn't put anything past anybody never and surely piled on so they got a little pylon on you so I I believe that definitely possible guy. Okay thank you MHM pleasant evening. I'm at I think that's that wouldn't surprise based on the Second Question. I don't think so either but no you think salesperson would understand that. It doesn't do them. Good your highest eight picture. They'll show big picture though thing you get rid of him. In Bob's gone at least we we settle back to the middle is ever as big as it was before. But it's not as bad as that's that's great middling thinks sales people do now you got you know whatever the hell they have so take a few more anonymous. You're up. Great I steve. Do you have any friends in the state of Massachusetts like this their friends. You don't have any friends in Boston. String thing to go after them for a question. You have buddies Washington about your weekends. It's just you and your wife had never heard you live in quarantine for the last two months to fence. I know I've got a bunch of Boden fronts who have you made any friends in Massachusetts though. Haven't made any friends and meals other me and Mike gearhead saying Yeah I mean I a few but through existing networks right but you go in this in the dealt and you're working it's different. It's like yeah I mean it's it's like what am I gonNa go to a bar you know some night and just be like. Hey guys you wanna like hang out. Sometimes it's appropriate. Means no real friends in the last ten years of my life I would be a friend of yours whatever I work with them. I'm saying I would say you work with them. I'm just saying in general. Just list is a list of friends. I've made in the last five years that I could call up. It'd be like hey do you want to. Do you want to go out and have some drinks tonight? Probably like four or five more than me. I hope my friend again. It's odd that he went out because I don't notice Steve. Talking about not having friends ever so I wonder what sumit's no friends just always. She's she's a friendly got. These are very friendly guy much more social than either of US. I would say by far yes to social my opinion. Thank you for the call. Weird call was but interesting. Nevertheless sparked conversation did now. I should make a friend like I think I think the mailman we could be friends. L. Duly Guy. Very Nice Guy. Good Guy Seventy one year up it would come in. What's going on man? Okay escapee how are you were you were you now? This is the oddest bit right now. Hotel but God. You spend a lot of time to this hotel yes. I played golf yesterday in Massachusetts. Where'd you play Kaby? I can't disclose the course because I don't know it's Kinda low key. Okay why would you tell me all what I wanted to let you know okay? How'd you play that you can play to one? I played all right. Would you play with told very good? He picked up at the end. Who who'd you play with Came DOWN CAN CRAN FRANKIE. Burly are you guys doing another missile? So with Nick who whose neck his his roommate is. Hamilton is your colleague. No no Nick Nick. Future few toe. I don't know I don't know I'm sorry. I'm sorry I don't know him K B but you had a good time but the course is named after well the town. The courses in is named after an old hockey coach. I'll tell you that it's all okay. Thank you herb Brooks Matt. What else we're time. You get into work tomorrow. Cape Human needs can be another beautiful day. That's nice at least I wanNA sleep soon so I can. Okay what do you do and I had in there and put on my boots boots on your on your head in the boot. Right get to work. Yeah what are what are you what are you? What's the schedule tomorrow? You know where you're going. How many houses what's the landscape? Construction Construction Malaver Labor Labor or they earn your landscaping. Okay so what does that. So what what are you working on tomorrow? What's the what's the job I don't know yeah. It's always a little different. I suppose there's a mystery to that that you probably don't trouble. No I think that's probably true. Okay we'll talk to you soon. Be Okay Oh no. I'm sorry I you know what the Nick of podcast you heard about it. called Amos. Yes I have heard about. Yeah so we're trying to get looking at big guest on reject me to go on talk to anti-black can we gotta keep you? I didn't know you were that into the show. Sure yeah absolutely I can. We can place a call appreciate that a lot looking for a big. So here's the first time. I got the joke but we we can make that happen all right. Well thanks a locker fun tomorrow. Work Okay hanging there. Alad how K B calls you Minihan. Yeah imminent you really taking you to task Well I mean we're friends I don't know you know. Yeah but I met him the few times he didn't call me. Am I last but listen? If you listen to every day it could be just how he thinks. Yeah he's in show mode Nettie. You saw him in person could be. Yeah I like him though. 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I believe is Catholic. I don't know that all kinds of weddings and proposals to that's true. Lots of important family moments that you've been a part of at home. Nice you say Steve. Thank you so valid beautiful. I Love Steve. They're loaded up. We'll take a few more good evening. It's evening so I was wondering you talked about the outsider on. Hbo PRETTY EARLY ON. Did you ever finish it? I didn't it's the same as the book I did. Finish the book but the book was such a slog for me last three hundred pages in three pages of a slog sucks. Yeah remembered you saying that I definitely will say it started slogging. Kinda liked the ending. But then the very very ending flogged again. The the same as the book was stupid. I just can't I can't do it. It was pretty but I was also wondering if you think Stephen King wrote dot or not. Well not a shot. He's a liberal. No great liberal words of works of art temper so yeah exelon guys see later. Love you buddy there you go too much feel much better now. Only go for that joke though. What's that building up the whole outside? It's not a classic five. It's exer- up five eight six. Where's that hey what's up fellas versus from the Motor City Colin Motor City Madman? I like it what's up Nothing too much. I've actually been thinking about this. A Lot This is for Mike I you're being set up here with this five K in. What way do you think it's going to be awful grading celebrating the death of the man that wants you fired Sounds like you're being set a why I thought you meant more. We're setting them up by having a potentially liable with tetter him himself. Dying says clear. We're really just going along for the ride. I mean. Do we think Porno even remembers the call to Francesa right now? Now puertas remember. We're not talking. There's no any the care even when even when he cut up. The poster of Hammy was like Oh yeah. I'm not a big fan of his I so it's really died down. Something will happen. That would trigger him again for sure. Yes let's the thing we kind of haven't been in trouble for a little while like the call was like minor trouble. He's really. Yeah when David whatever kiss ended on the show cancer on the show goes down casts doubt. Yeah I mean I was like day. Fire the Fucking Guy. We're doing here is excited deal. There's like it's a call the free. No it's bad David's on the show he doesn't do gush considered the implications for Penn. Like this is crazy. The big show Netflix. Show great for Musiba. He's a big fan of that. Who's up next? Sorry Marcus feel free to call US ANYTIME. I never thought of visiting Detroit or the Michelle. Yeah especially on that. It's a nice vacation spot. I hear it's getting fucking ravaged. I can only imagine him for gentlemen P. One since day one here. Oh thank you Mike. You have criticism for you. Not Enough of callers bringing the pretty white tonight. Though she's disappointed these people go ahead. Sir I used to think you were the best second best part of the show other than Kirk of costs right now in the show I started and then Steve is just so much more talented than you. The thing is about him is. He's just not funny so we just need you to be more talented talented please. That's a fair credit constructive criticism. More talented I will do there like you away better with colony and I think Steve. Scares you a little bit. Let's pause? He's a scary guy. He's a big imposing figure. I don't even remember doing the show with Collins. I know member ever when you ironically asked Dave my favorite moments. Because you were being your. Oh if you met Communist remember nothing I remember anything remember. Obviously Richmond earned the right my good man Surf Classic Bits. Oh for sure we like David. I just don't I have no memory of it. I'm sure it was plus up was really funny. Looked at them back. It is weird. I was thinking that the other day because Conan's responded to some trump tweets. It was like right Jerry and I was like it's so weird like Dave could have played along with us. He doesn't have that it's fake he doesn't have a fucking political fund is now. It's very weird to see but I do Miss Conan shot at Steve Right there. Yeah fuck off man can walk really hurts my Dr Welby record. 'em Yeah Dude. Instagram and the way back to the ride home that hello put that on there. I believe throw in the I G as they say. Hello Mike. The bus. Thank you buddy. That's nice either. Say That's all he had to say simple. People sure he was like cursing news after examples. Delaitre good for now. It's six. Oh you're up. I appreciate the support. That's what's up Yeah just wanted to talk about this psycho the video that I just thought harassing Steve. The Brian Radio but We talk about here but yeah I'm a I'm diabetic and yeah. I don't know if he's shaking. You should just drink some juice and take care of themselves the lightning bitch move the when we were in. Somerville for the press conference filed suit grill. He stated me for a while because yeah because of how we and not when he was there. I almost didn't recognize him in time. And I saw him with that dirtbag smile on his face and he was like who are you with and I didn't WanNa tell him I was with Barstool Breitbart and he was like no. I know you can hear your how he's boy and he takes out his phone and immediately starts filming me and like what. Are you supposed to do believe that those things kind of pushed out since then? We've seen any of them. Yeah that's true. Typical couchville anything else Well I did have Something For Mike if he was thinking of five he wants to get in shape. I mean you can't do it now because the whole corona virus but Training Ju- If you ever thought about training Jujitsu fine I think all right I do too. Yeah I trained into Jitsu like a couple of years ago. It was only for a year so I figure if Blind Mike Trains you get sued for year then I can fight him blindfolded and it's an even match person but it's either way. I think there's only one person who can train you Jitsu. That's Latino Kirk. Because he's already coached you up okay. That's true. He may have some connection with Jujitsu. One sure about that but okay. They loaded up. The car will take a few more and get out of here. I'm not giving these people usual length show. Oh man no. Hey Guys Judy car. O O we doing speak to us. We did we. I think we did know. Oh I gave you a Simon Tonight. Not You did. And that's part of the reason you didn't speak to me all at. What was the assignment? I forget though you told me to actually have incident relations with somebody else besides a Inanimate dogs okay okay. So what happened. So I've actually been on a one-week tryst with my With my partner. And he's actually right here and I know you'd like to say hi. The conversation can all right hold on one second. I appear on the line. Yeah sure Hey Kirk Jerry Jerry. I haven't talked to you. I haven't talked to the While talking. My all my buddies it last couple of days. What'S UP JERRY? I'm good I'm good Julie. We reported at the That Michigan protests that that bashes What's her name out? Whatever I was Jewish liberal. I was she there. She was writing a writing a document on crying document. She's running document. They write the document. Okay okay I'll I'll play along with this Extremely in in quickening thinning premise. So you picked her up or she picked you up or how. They work though I saw and I was like. Hey you're totally car. You're that you're that lady that hates everything that Neha Kirk did right and she like. Yeah Oh boy. All the time raping voice boys. I don't think I was really pressing that much. See My goes my only good night at the end once we got the laugh. Hey guys vary and he's sure many questions after caller get infected. Wow that would happen all right. Hello good evening. He talked about his Michigan. True you're up. I are real. Quick is a pack. Okay for your best duo word yes stubby. Yeah not acknowledge okay. Expected thank you to. Sham will make you a plaque. I'm Gillian Beer. So real quick. Thanks be oh. Wow what an honor doing for Mike adjusted to Irish wars duo. That's can you tell us how just how much we beat the competition? The closest number two thank you one ninety five percent and running biased pulse biased gave options. Yeah what went into your thinking. What went into your thinking. Correct ours. Verified account is in a way affiliates. Blue Checkmark. Yeah fifteen billion followers. You notice that because you're blind and stupid pick a partner. Ted Me intent the four both dive. I'll help you. I think in the competition right now. It'll be justin. Beard is like the issue number one psychic right. Now I gotta say I like her rider. Guys say like my odds. I think there'd be a spike in views on Mike and the fans. If you actually did get hit by a bus or something during the five k. How did he do the show? The old video ordinary spectrum people be like I wanNA know who this young man l. This artists are appreciated in their own. Time attendance good though. This broadcaster is really good. You're taking way before his time. Who's up this is interesting point about political correctness before a plaque one side could say this is going on boys what's up. How's everything going just wanted to call in head note to get a pint of ice cream for the missus' WanNa call him and just express my appreciation for that. Call an episode guys get an unbelievable job and ice cream? You getting for your lovely wife doing a little Ben and Jerry's half bake to actually come months pregnant a second trimester and we're Giving her all her needs satellites. Get her get her Two Pints. There's just load up on it. Yeah well congratulations boy or girl girl. Congratulations go were you listening to it. We listened to the podcast when you When you made the baby now I actually know but I definitely remember listening to some Kirk and Callahan. on remote a podcast back in When we got engaged no I remember that very okay. Well thank you very much. Enjoy this I could buy thank you. Thank you shit. Enjoy the ice cream and the baby. Congratulations to the minimum baby was was dino all right he was okay he he. Yeah I see your fucking idiots yes. You're dumb Christ fucking dumb. Still loaded up there. Still loaded up tweets fucking number on there. Of course everyone is. He's a big mystery. There's so conditioned to being fucked over there. Let's go let's go. Let's go let's going fine. He's an idiot. That's the fence. Simple mistake yes but it was pretty clear that we made that pretty clear. The time though Yeah we did okay. We did. Hello I might there. I saw him. This is nick from Home Depot. Your father was in your earlier because again you can come by after working. Close Up Matab. Let me ask you Mike. Mike will be happy to do that. Stephen drive-by Thank. You does He. Dick does he show up by himself or does he have someone go in there sometimes and buy stuff for. How does that work? No humans with a younger woman. Right very overworked. Taggered Nail Nail Nail showered. And she's been working so good. Good Standard accent speaks finding well. Thank you soon enough. L. Guys conscientious. Well thank you serving employees. How much is the Bill Nick Mike Mike Mike. How much the the seven hundred? Forty dollars and sixteen cents. Okay good good. Thank you couldn't remodeling both get back on. My Dad was doing so credible. Good for Mr Gear. Jesus well thank you nick. And there've been invited over that I believe I wanted to more. They're loaded up. I imagine they are good evening. Mr Minahan how are you this evening? I'm fine thank you. Who Am I speaking to games? Tell James to movie questions for you if you don't mind I don't situ asked okay. Nineteen eighty eight. James Bater. Cynthia GIB- directed by Rowdy Herrington. Who went on the next year? To direct roadhouse James spader and Cynthia Gib- Yes Which one is Jack's back? Oh Yeah I know the guy. I never saw that. I'm not a big spader fan. I didn't I didn't see that one. Yeah actually it's very good. Yeah okay at the end but I do want to ask you because I you know. I respect your opinion movies. All things sweet now. I read the book a couple times when I was young. And I finally got around to Last night to watching the movie version of it okay The outsiders jor now directed by Francis. Ford Coppola correct. What did you think of that movie? Well it's hard for me to say because the first time I saw it I was like nine years old so if I saw now for the first time I think I would think it was silly. It's also very short But I think you're blown away now by the cast blows you away now when you see it much IOS in it see. Thomas sowell crews weren't very good actors at the time it was not. I would say the Macho pretty good and I like him. I thought swayze enemy Louis. Estevez did find that the movie at all. So you own this Tom. Cruise to rob. Lowe's yeah. She's the mass of Diane Lane. You Jer Mike. There's right yeah I mean I think it's more of a you'll honesty is in. Coppola would tell you. This was a kids movie was made for teenagers. You know maybe yeah I just. I was so underwrite. But you're right. It's this guy who was coming off. Godfather One Godfather to the conversation apocalypse. Now and he kind of goes in this weird s e hinton phase where he becomes very into these movies. It's rumble fish and outsiders and I'm not sure why I know it was partially financially moment. He was always broke copious. Always taking huge risks losing a lot of money but but yeah I I. I watched it today for the first time. I wouldn't think much of it. I'm sure I always thought he just kind of I thought he kind of fizzled out after God I didn't know he made so many bad movies he did say to Jack. I mean you know. His his last great movie was apocalypse now and that was it and that was really is an artist. He was good from boats. Seventy to seventy nine just crashed out which I mean. He wrote a couple of the greatest of three. So it's like you can understand the greatest a- guess yeah but yes but he wrote and directed the greatest movie of all time surely the greatest like saga of all time and I think the best war movie of all time. Yeah and then. He was done but he didn't really make like a good movie. I mean another masterpieces a lot but he never made. I consider a good film after that I said wrote. He didn't write apocalypse now. Yes Oh yeah well he guy John Meal you credit the script but he wrote part of it. He adapted with Puzo the Godfather. So I mean you know but those are his movies. Yeah sure yeah. All Right Steve Anymore. Yep One or two more. Hello a our. I know what you said is great and all this today and I think it's great but you know in. Steve didn't cut the audio from January. So what generated all we remember the fenway? Yes yeah I recall that over that you trust me yes? Let's forget those things I don't forget like I just hung up interesting. Well that's a great point. Fair Point yes. They still up Steve They're still loaded up all right. Let's here in a few minutes of the call. Seven seven four. You're on. Hey Hey what's going on your suck bombs? It's the King Discord Blind Mike Sneakers. What's going on about this guy? Hey sneakers here cut you all I just want. I wanted to say that The Colin show sucked. Okay I think your whole show I think you all show has jumped shock fucking garbage. All right I watch every I watch every single every single youtube show and I'm on the discord eighteen hours a day. Wow you seem to be a fan man. I think your show well that seems to be quite a contrast and thought but you watch your no. Make sure it's all good blind snake. If we thank you much sneakers yes thank you for. The call is blind like snakes thank you. That's very inside opinion. Fan of the show. No it's not for us to monitor it's truly is not for everyone low car- Hello Brian. Mcgrory Oh hey what's up buddy? How you doing? Hey so the reason I'm calling is we've lost some interest as you can imagine over the last few years with our draft and we're trying to get more interest back up and get more participation. If you ideas I wanNA flip by Yeah sure I mean I'm I'm the best person for it but I'm happy to slip out with you if you'd like so. I know you have a connection at Buffalo Wild Wings What do you think if we did like a live drafting? Nfl L. Packages go check with Scott. Yeah so what you're saying. Is You you guys? Make your picks there. We bring the COEDS in Sort of world around them around or no Well it's a good idea too much. I was more thinking about. We'd be able to actually pull it off but yeah we bring them in there for you. Sure did at the table next to us and bring them out. Sure that was. That was the first idea we think of what we typically of doing stink draft the last two years. Yeah like an auction style right. Sure sure that makes sense. Put a value on each so. Yes I mean in the number one. Pick before no Hypocrite I'm the commissioner. And so I you know I I usually defer and I don't take it as the number one. Are you more of a laws that we can't? I can't have the first. Is it for you from a from a from a thought from just? Are you more of a ballot? Check type if there's if you look at the girl from Brown's the same as the girl from northeastern trade down and get biker. I followed kind of the you know the old school Miami Marlins way where they would just go for championship day. Yeah Yeah not run one year. Yeah Yeah Yeah All right so the next one That that's tough. I mean I think because I guess my question is that they go into the corporate world you still have stake in them you're saying professionally or Yeah Yeah I mean you'd have taken them and the thing is the keepers. You'd lose the pick the next year. That's I wouldn't I wouldn't. I wouldn't say once they get to a certain age or any kind of done with them. Anyways burn okay okay. Now that's a good point What do you think about opening it up to the females in the Boston club? Do you really want that much competition? Well I think in twenty twenty. I think it'd be the right move. I mean I politically this way. Bryant Bryant put it this way. If you're going to do this and make a big bang out and make a big announcement do the Buffalo Wild Wings. I think there might be some backlash. Maybe I would then open say fieschi pick as well so then everyone says well. I mean listen. It's equal opportunity. Well the other thing I'd be concerned about is you know not to get like you. Know then the females want to start drafting the male interns and it gets kind of murky there. That's true too. Didn't think of that. I'm sure they're full equality. Hey Brian there's anything not that there's anything wrong with that. Who generally who generally participates in the draft. Who's WHO's going to be in it this year. We have any names. Ooh I. It's one of the things you really can't disclose names but Guy that name that rides with Thad Pin. He's usually high up on the high up on the list. Oh is that true? Okay Okay They Brian What are you? What are you wearing right now right now? I have one of those tank tops. In where the you cut out the nipples right now for no reason all right Brian. I think all right one more. Ab Two more. And we'll get out of here. I gotta go. It's very late. Did you see that. E Card Man. Oh Gosh fucking crazy. Creep worst people on Earth is great bothering you the bath good thank you. It's nice anything else. No he just hung up. I was praised Mike and hung up all the way to do. Get there get there again. I like a good quick call. Real gear loaded up Steve It's slowed down a lot. Good we'll take one more. Look at the lessons good. We'll get out of here boys. What's good thank you four? Awesome praise for Blind Mike. I think the decent sidekick got You know some of these. One liners are decent And The way you laugh at all your jokes also very decent yes. It's the best quality and stuff. Yes at that from that. I was just listening to a from old cat. Kevin Colony views on Irish radio. Show Oh yeah. I've listened to those before Jonathan Company. Either yes the Tommy. John Human author remember knows a different one. Okay I could buy you a waste. Waste of life and yours. No He's not offensive. You say you're a decent type ray. I understand it's very layer but managed them find my way to thank you gene. Thank you yes you really clicked. You got the joke right away right guys. That's something I love new. Hello be good. I wonder about the night. But somebody Goodlettsville seventy one three. That's you yep go ahead. This is going. Hey Hey guys I'm to the show I never heard of you got a couple of weeks. Go to La Quantum and of buzz. Yeah it's unbelievable incredible but you know Vice here you know I'm in Chicago and I started to Virtually date this girl. That's it so we went on goods calls and slants. We met at the park A couple of UH okay chic. Are we making social distancing? At that age you kind of hinted. She said something to me. And I don't remember seeing what she said that I D- D e One hundred percent deedee. I've heard about that yes. Who is was a joke about that last week? How was the actual Sarahspain go? Yeah Yeah Davidson. Dennis Rodman at so. I think maybe he wasn't dating anybody he'll joke. 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Though now with him he'd never goes the first one. They're good. Dave I mean I like the show or not. It's a phenomenon. Yes they've chemistry a lot of energy and they've got they've never be a natural revolt against the next if they'd tried to bring back the same. They tried to do the same thing. Yeah that's true. Yeah well there's another fight to other you know they'll they'll find other people do a different thing. It'll be successful not ask several but we'll see. Hopefully they stay up good for the company I hope and then someone else tried to drag the same old story out about Barstool to other hockey thing. Yeah Yeah we asked her right away. I didn't I didn't even get a chance to ask her. I followed her and she blocked me blue checkmark from four the win. Usa Today stupid thing where they knocked. Something Erika's podcast because of Women's hockey bad move by women's women's hockey trying according with Barstool a really dumb dumb idiotic coming really cheeses crisis writer. Chemmy just so dumb. How close did you have to be followed monitoring your twitter to notice the Second Steve Falls you and then block him? While I'm sure she saw he was. Would you ask her to come on or no? I didn't get a chance to push long. Railway sent an email to the USA. Today media contact just to try and get her. After I went back to our twitter concept. She blocked me. I was like well. I mean what do you? She blocks me that quickly. What are the chances are go? We're we're on a pretty good streak of getting people to come on the show true. The Bio of every person that falls you on that seems notice. It's a pretty high level of neuroticism. Sure I mean you have a Bucek marker no no do you follow you the show. I my account my personal. Do you have one or no. A check mark. Yeah I'll come on now. Does this show. Yes Oh okay. So maybe maybe she saw is my name on your by or no. It's the show and Barstool. Sports is in his bio. But what I'm saying is when get a follow on them. That's insane. It's insane premise. She's never going to get the juice of a big steve re tweet and whol should be in coordination with regrets it young lady crow hats back in the well tomorrow for you guys listening. We tape this Sunday night so Off Whatever we'll be doing our stuff on Monday Third Anniversary of my Dad's desk. I'm thinking of Him. All remember caller. I think I mentioned so twitter recently. During the guy meant will be years. Go on after a year or two. You Won't get your dad every day of the game every couple of days. I hope he's right in the fears. I think of them all the time. All not a day goes by so I'm thinking of him in my brothers and His family Who I know Miss Himalayan. Is You know his sister? And all that and I mean I call my dad. Obviously I still think as my dad though. He's not we understand. The man who raised biologically still be like dad. I mean you know. He's still raise the cared for that. Whereas Moss right right it wasn't around look mosses. Your father looks h to some old and I wal- Stereo. I won't I won't demanded it demanded no better. That's all these dad too. Nice to know it sort of lessens. The blow a little but not only imagine yes going through right now. There's a lot going on but now I'm thinking of my Dad. Alive on my brothers are to Three years which is fucking crazy but I thought that caller just not there yet but I miss him a lot so anyway People reach out already some Nice well-wishes don't worry about them. Forty five years old. I'll figure it on my own So we're back tomorrow. I don't know what the hell will be doing. Some Assim same some some shit. I'm sure corona virus. Can you reopen? I mean we're at war with Apple? That's sort of take away. The shell imagine. I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure by Tuesday. We'll have the official response from apple into close up shop. Sell now folks. I'm waiting to see the charts. I think they're gonNA take a dive be. 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Episode 2315 - Caissie St. Onge

Never Not Funny

2:35:47 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 2315 - Caissie St. Onge

"Behavior. Jimmy Pardo here. Never not funny with our guest Casey Saint on right around the corner. But I his guys in our lane Conan O'Brien. He's got a brand new podcast Conan O'Brien needs a friend look on this program. I work with them for years. We all know Conan O'Brien is well, he's now an ear wolf with a brand new podcast again as I mentioned called Conan O'Brien needs a friend hangs out with some of his favorite people. His first guest has got him. We'll feral upcoming guest include Wanda Sykes, Nick Offerman. Kristen bell, also interest questions callers are dying to know like the secret to Conan's hair and his favorite Star Wars prequel. Anyway, get a lot going on here. The first one is mentioned, we'll feral they talk about the last time. He was on Conan that about when Conan was on stage with Ron burgundy how Twitter makes them feel in that one lifetime movie will may with Kristen wig. You could check out the first episode of Conan O'Brien as a friend with will Ferrell in your favorite podcast app. And don't forget to subscribe. So you don't miss an episode. I know what you're not gonna miss. You're not gonna miss never not funny because that's coming up in three. Two, and please don't take this person. Shoop Lalli Goethe. A fistful of Dullard don't thaw the ice cocaine, then you got the yellows. Here comes the yellow, look, I'm not the best gay twelve years in Maimi, Lucy and goosey. Live on team. It's the fastest our in podcasting. This is never not funny now, here's your host, Jimmy Pardo. Over. Indeed is welcome to the program. So Twenty-three fifteen I've just been told off the air. Listen, I'm gonna walk in fucking mess. That's when we decided before I got on the air. I'm having a an asthma attack. I just had my allergy shots. They up my serum cetera. As I say that right serum serve sounds like my Chicago accent is making that sound odd might years. Anyway, I'm heavy reaction to that on the on the heels of getting a shot in my friggin back. Oh, yeah. I forgot to ask you I went to text over the weekend. Texting go die for God. You know, the truth was it was. You know, they they put you you're not on COPA fall. Because you gotta be they gotta be able to talk to because they're going to your spine. So, but it was so they they give you a little bit of anesthesia you're out a little bit. But what they do is they go in the shot. And then a catheter something then goes up your spine to get into the area where they have to put the medicine. Fuck it literally takes seven minutes. Yeah. But you've got to be still on a table or you're lying on your stomach lying under stomach. Yeah. Yeah. Does envious get to be freight forward or your sideways? Your your doubt straight faced out is if you're getting a massage. Okay. Let's but without that little face thing because your neck needs to be at the right of the right angling, everything needs to be right? And all I kept on thinking if there's an earthquake you're done. I'm not dead. I'm paralyzed like what what what crappy time that would be. Luckily that did not happen. Of course. But I did say I said of the doctor. My doctor video buds radio coming onto the gopher longtime. I apologize. My weird breathing. So. You hear that? Yeah. I did hear it, man. I apologize for that. She I said to her. She said, you know, we anytime we're going into the spine. It's very delicate. And you know, it could be it, you know, ninety nine out of one hundred times at work. So, you know, but one time maybe, you know, obviously, there's other feel numbness or tingling so on so forth. And she goes into worse cases than I is paralysis. And I was like how many times have with you. I wouldn't be a doctor anymore. I would quit. I would never. I don't even know if I'd live if that was if I tried to help somebody paralyzed them. I wouldn't be a doctor. She was very forget said seven times. Question. What what guys do it? Okay. I've been doing this a long time. So, you know, what do you what do you expect to make money bills? She was great. The anesthesiologist was great anyway. So that pain seems to be they say it takes five days for it to actually kick in. But I think starting to feel a little a little bit better. Yeah. Good. It doesn't mean that. I I still have to do physical therapy. And all that stuff to go term. Good lord. Our guest is already here is that our guest early career. Geico is your professional. She's a professional commute college could be a package, although seems to early package doesn't it. I don't know, you know, civil trying to deliver a package on Saturday FedEx. And it's an office building. Like, we're not here. But when they ring the thing it goes to my cellphone, so I'm like, okay, I'll I can buzz you in and you just leave it at the door. But then the the deadbolt was locked too because it's the weekend. Oh, well, there's that FedEx with you. There is so FedEx stop trying to deliver to businesses on the weekend is my what do we got here to you? But that's not heavy at all. It's never never enough. And that was that was a little bit of a action on the part of Garin Cockrel. Never not funny. This comes from Atlanta, Georgia this is hot. Now. Let's go. John. Jitney male just showed up the mail. Stealing. My thunder. Illnesses. Take your mind off it in a package from them. Welcome us. What did you say walking? What can? You know, what we're gonna have a new tour named the walk and tour. Oh shit would have a late entry that is. We might have and that solid to really. So that is solid over guys. Jesus Christ is number one of the bullet tour two thousand nine that's come on gets to good good right to good. It's too good. What if it's fragile? Oh, good cool Turley has gotten really into America's funniest home videos. And so we watching it every Sunday now in yesterday of as a kid trying to open a package, and he turns it over and he's shaking and then a piggy-bank falls out of his majesty. All. I remember when Oliver went through is right around the same age. I love to. I mean, I love the show on it. I watch it whenever but watching him or just experiencing is pure joy is amazing hundred percent agree with you. Dear Jimmy met Jimmy, Matt Garin and Elliott, but mostly Jimmy come on look around the room. You remember the majority of the people you meet on the road. But I was lucky enough to be part owed at one of your shows in Atlanta, if it helps you remember I'm a heavily tattoo bearded guy in glasses that is an animator on the TV show Archer. Ooh, that you can't describes half of our fan base. It's also very specific yet. I don't remember this guy at all as a never not funny. He lives over the past decade. Now, remember him? It was a an enormous pleasure. And honor to have my hero yell at me. After the show you were kind enough to autographs from vinyl for me. It's been a vinyl that is why writing today I wrote a small record label, and I've been learning how to make leave embossed vinyl records at home injured and process, but to. Say I need to put in a lot of practice hours. Learn everything I can about creating homemade records I'm burning out of air. I'm pretty for. Caro man as practice the other day. I just let a recent episode nerd, I funny play through my machine, and I cut record after record of just the four of you guys talking. Imagine what I could possibly do with these records since I don't own the rights to any of the concert on them. So I thought I would just make some quick album art for them, and send them to you in the gang. How much you love one hundred eighty gram vinyl. This isn't that this is more. Like, I don't know twelve gram beats me. This is basically one step above a flexi disc. Anyway, a giant. Thank you for all the years of audible, entertainment, you created. You are literally greatest this guy gets it. Seth nNcholas Johnson haunted birthday records. I liked the name wanted birthday records. Seth nNcholas Johnson. Like his name to what I don't like is that he's a heavily tattoo bearded guy in glasses pass. Look is done put some fucking long sleeves on and get a razor. If you live in Atlanta, though, I kind of I if you're like in the south, I know Atlanta's is a city, so it's not like the same as being in the middle of rural Alabama. But I do I kind of give people a little more slack because it's like you wanna let everybody know. Hey, I'm not a redneck. This is. My deal. That's a redneck look all tattoos at a long beard sometime. Sorry. But if you wear glasses in the south, don't you get called the push? I I'm picturing this guy being like a hipster bearded tattoo glasses guy. Yes. F- I guess the the part about sorry, you're gonna hear you. I need to. Don't do that. You haven't watched the latest doctor who you can't pop. You can't pop those. We might explode is that true was being autistic who or this is my only joy again. Jeez. To me. And if you're having trouble breathing. I meant to say has Medicaid. He's got a strike out is in distress cool, by the way, check this out. This. This sounds like the coolest thing ever. Do this really cool. Look at that. Oh my God. That is awesome. There's one for each of us here. Go though, it's clear vinyl look at this is I'm not fucking around. That's in this is the greatest too. Now, we all have to is it all the same. Sounds same sound clippers it I would imagine just things we don't have to cut record after record of to four guys talking to we have a little player. We don't actually Ryan doesn't end up in the back there. But it's it's usually. It's usually a lot of work. Yeah. I like the print this stuff out. Did I think that the image was on the record? I did. It looks cool either. Like that the fact that that's the sleeve is cool tan. That's nice is a little birthday gets it in a way that AST never has. Like, I don't know. How he did that either? That's really cool. You know? It's really cool. Right. The insert. But the yeah, I feel like we need to as much as I love this one of these needs to be auctioned off at podcast that or maybe you could make another one. But I feel like that's something people would love doing think. I do. It's such a cool collectible. It's really cool. Thank you. Seth. Thanks Jimmy were a kid. Did you ever either? I know that my grandparents apparently when my dad was a kid they would cut their own records because they either wax or or some other material. Do you think how old is your grandparents? No, it sounds like this conversation's going. Well, I don't know where that stopped. I don't know where people, and I don't know what your family is your dad was a drummer. So he might have had a a record good one off record cutter. No, we didn't have a record cutter in my house. We came from we came from poor stock we tried to get by like anybody else. Did you ever put the needle on the record? On the record put the needle on the record record dance. We had a we had a a real the real. Yeah. My dad had that. And that's about as and there's some video of me singing spinning wheel by blood, sweat and tears small child. Wow. Thinking that it's going to hell. What goes up must come down spinning wheel rounding around round around. I I wonder I there's no way the types of me as a kid like I had cassette. So that I would pretend to be a DJ or whatever onto like everyone did. And it'd be crazy to hear that. Now, I'm sure it would be so cringe-worthy awful the worst. There is a tape of we we got together about five years after reunion of rainbow bridge and the banter between songs professional comedians UB party makes me wanna throw myself off a building. So you still have that. I have that k Paul sent the MP three version row. Right. And can we get a sample of what that might have been like of what of what you're what young Jimmy Carter banter onstage might have been lights? Just I can't. I can't even do it. It's like is it, and is it worse than every other bands band. No, it's banned humor. Like like, I say professional communities. We also funny guide you. At that time just funny guy, and but just somehow be around the instruments I down. Painful, your Bill is is it possible that having seen because I assume at that point you're in a band you've seen live shows of bands that where your fan, I'm twenty. Okay. So so is it possible that you're like that's how it's done that you're doing an impression of Panter? I kind of think I thought it was better than that. That right. But just like really just fuck horrible. But like that's another podcast of on the that that sending one person that MP three. Oh, no. That will never see the day. That is we bury that. As as Paul points out, the the recording wherever the can this is one thousand nine hundred eighty something the wherever whatever it was recorded, whatever device was recording. This band thing was too close to his amp. All you really gear is a lot a lot of guitar and everything else has got a muffled. So it's not even you know. And then and then you boy you can hear me crystal clearly being unfunny Panthers through good. There's no worries about that. Let me walk over to this recorder. Preserve this one. Everybody gets to hear this nonsense. But we used to do the same thing that you got not we wouldn't play DJ. We pre we would play strata Matic baseball. My stepbrother Scott night and do play by play and record that. And then listen back, and then you listened back for about three minutes ago. I just did. I don't want to. I'm not sure I ever listened to the stuff ever quit. I just would record it. And then I'm done. Yeah. But it was fun doing it. Uh-huh. Fun. The the big joke that we still bring it up at family functions is. Scott, my stepbrother bespoke and said instead of pulled a hamstring pull the hamster. Bannister's out. He's pulled the hamster. And we we laughed. Linda's fantastic athlete gideon's and to this day. I mean, go back to the seventies for that. By the way, that sounds like something Jimmy Pardo would say like you would say that to like mean like you're using hamster as a nickname for hamstring. Right. You're you're just ridiculously shortening. The hamster hamsters. Yeah. Stor. When I was a kid the thing that I did with a recording thing is I took a role attainment. I realized that if you if you pull the tape out, it sounds like a jet aircraft taking off when you record it onto your onto your cassette tape, really. And I and so I started trying to fully type things because like, oh, that's cool. Well, this were things work. But yeah, isn't it funny? How we do that stuff? I I saw a guy at the circus or a carnival yet. A you know, he was a knife thrower or whatever. And I had a box cutter not box exit. What style box cutter not the slightest were then I decided that that's going to be my thing. I'm gonna be a guy that juggle this full this knife. How old are you twelve? Twelve year old have a box cutter. Like, my my dad's tool so that sort of stuff, so you're like, I'm going to I'm going to be the guy who Jogos. So you know, that would be that you'd spend it around if it's been catch with the handle and. You know? But and you never hurt yourself. Never that is quivering with the blade out. I never wasn't again. It wasn't a box. It was like the old style box cutter where it was like a wooden handle within the laid. Oh, basically, but it had like a little hook at the end. Like, a like, a sparklers sabre crazy. Yeah. I mean, I could see doing it. But I could also see injuring yourself. Yeah. I don't know how I injured myself. Probably because I wasn't good at it. You mean, you just never caught it never either caught it or didn't catch it. That'd be the two I guess options. But the third thing is catching the blade that never happened. That's happened. I used to try the that thing where you rather think from alien called Rochambeau or five thinkers Rochambeau someone else on the balls. What is that? There's some other does rock, paper scissors. It was called Rochambeau is well, there's a name like that for that. Where you're hold your hand on the table, and you stab between the fingers, would you? Now. Let me ask you a question. Would you today? Somebody comes in here. And goes, I'm going to do you put your hand out there pay you with thousand dollars you? Let me do it for five minutes. Five minutes on. And I I mean, I don't know who this person is if they come in and say, I'm a professional knife person. Whatever that is I wouldn't do it. Would you even with a pen somebody who is that with the I think that's how I used to do it? I don't think actually used a ni-. I think we all did it after seeing alien like you can try it. Remember that scene? Is it Lance Hendrickson? He's a she fucks. But he's an Android. Yes. That's the thing. He's perfect at it. And he goes super fast. And it's crazy. I don't have enough of a span here. I'm not happy with my band spread your finger. It is dick. Fuck. That's as far as you go. Yes. Well, I'm looking at a weird angle. It looks like it was called knife game pin finger nerve Bishop stabs Gotch stabber scotch five finger fillet. Stab between the fingers came really a very creative staffer to me. Speaking of as when we sit on walking mess. That's what we said on. Right guaranteed text that to me walking. So I don't forget that. We're walking miss. It. Depends father fuck even that thing hurts magin. Well, because it's grabbing the let me try it. All right, but I have more room somehow. So wait, you're just going here here here here co Ed. Out. Pretty good. Literally hit every finger that trying to hit your jets. This horrible. This is the worst guarantee your head over here. So they tried to do I was so distressed by that that I managed to have the exact wrong camera looking in the exempt player. I'll do it again. We'll do it again. All right. All right. Hey, I like that. Because that doesn't hurt that much. This is this is not a big deal. Can you? This is good. But it's also it's not as thin as. It's not as thin as a knife either. So that's true. What happened when you when you pinch the ED's? That's the word, right? Lean forward again. That's pretty good out here. Oh boy. All right. I'm gonna do it to Garin. I'm not going to do it again. I don't. Darren you care, and you do it to yourself. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's yes. That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to. Yeah. Yeah. Why is he stood a weird pattern? He's well. He's doing. It's called stab scotches because you've got a. Cures for. That's what you're supposed to do. Yeah. You're supposed to go one. And then two and then three and doing it where he. I was trying not step myself. I also realized I was right in front of the that whole. He's got he's using Jimmy's camera wha-wha-what. What were you doing? I was covering the the action. Okay. Very good. Pretty good though. Yeah. You only out like ten times. But it it. What if what if you went with the with match game days of? Could've made this into a microphone. Yeah. Put a lab at the end of that member of the first I did make the. Match game. You just made it you like took a tube. And I took it to to be cut it, and then put a live at the end that was the first one. And then eventually I ended up getting a. Yeah. What did you end that? When I ended it right? Yeah. I think so was great. I don't remember the home maiden. Yeah. There was a homey one for the while. We are. We are we talking about good and Cairns ever-changing hair color. What about guarantee ever changing mood? What happened was we're gonna that's a song by style council. I ever changing. It is always changing owned fairness. Everyone's I cannot stress enough. How I'm having an allergy. I can hear you being able to breathe breathe. Can we get something from seven eleven that would not missed, but but I don't have my rescue inhaler. Yeah. So I just department he missed tablets that. Hopefully will that'll me down. Okay. Do I wish I had a rescue inhaler? Yes. Because I would instantly. Am I worried that you're going to pass out and fall over because you're not breathing deeply, and that's not going to happen? All right. That's not gonna happen for some reason that does happen who would you like to give you the web of life. That's the tough question. You've got the experience. Yeah. You would not crack under the pressure of putting in your mouth on another man's mouth. Has it has any have any of you taken like, the emergency training recently? No. Because I read a thing which says that if somebody passes out that you don't do the mouth to mouth anymore that you're not supposed to do that. What do you do? You just do the the. But what does asking? We got to cover all the bases class. Well, you you're you're trying to get their temperature. But if you don't have a thermometer ver. About to say thermostat night, changed it up. But no, I was reading thing because I was I was looking at emergency procedures for something else. And and it it said don't give it's no longer recommended to give mouth to mouth, just do compression. If somebody is is passed out in their heart isn't going, maybe it's just for me was just for a heart attack. I kind of always thought that the mount them out. I always say that because you learn it when you're doing swim classes, I was associated that with drowning. Sure, obviously if someone's not breathing in a non water situation, you also probably would eventually want to give. I think that that's the thing. But that's I think that's but like but getting the heart going is the main thing, right? And so may maybe maybe the mouth mouth works. But the heart is more important. I don't know what they didn't read more to find out what the lows, according this is since two thousand eight. You can skip the mouth to mouth, but breathing and just pressing the chest to save a life in a major change the American Heart Association said Monday that hands only CPR rapid deep presses victims chest until help arrives works just as well as standard CPR for sudden, cardiac arrest and notes. So that's just if somebody's hardest stop. And so would you what do you do for? But I forget what you would just do it now. But what what is what I forget the pattern like there's like you're supposed to do it like eight times, and then wait ten seconds. And then do it. There's a song. Well, staying alive is the easiest one. Oh, yeah. Stay alive. Stay. What do you do in that part? What do I do? Yeah. Everybody know that I'm dead. I'm the hero. He don't sing it into their mouth. I've just told me I don't do it anymore. Oh, but you see I used to seeing it. As I used to seeing it in their mouth. Down the local to know that I'm a here. Cou sticks of singing that into someone's mouth. It'd be great. That'd be wonderful. It's like it's pretty mercury's mouth. Oh, man. Yeah. Absolutely. Just told not seeing that. No. I my mom of all people texted me. And was like have you seen this? Great. I was like really my mom does a very good movie. She doesn't give us about Queen. Now. That's I was surprised. She went to see it. That's bizarre. That is surprising. We haven't talked about it because I saw you finally saw it would you think I enjoyed it a lot I feel like there's. I feel like this stuff in between the scene that I wanted to see. Well, the there's also like I said, it's a very flawed and movie. There's a lot of bullshit. I wanted to know I wanted more. I like a lot of what you saw was not true say you want it all. Doodo? Oh, it is. Oh. All and I want it. That's one of my favorite Queen songs. What album is that on say the miracle that was just listening to I guessing what's the what's the look. I wanted all by the at the races that the one that starts with we the chamber with we will rock, you know, that's news of the world news the world. I was listening to that one over the weekend. Good. I've never really listened to the deep cuts because some interesting miracle cool songs on on the on that album that are not what you expect. Like, they're kind of all over like, there's some more punk sounding stuff. And it's like I liked what Queen. That's what we do. We always changing. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I really only knew the heads. Go greet our guest this Casey's. I I'm on the program, introduced yourself apologize for your hair. Explain that. You're miss Sparta's assistant. You're going through a crisis. White change your hair on a regular basis. Is it is it blue or gray? What is it on top? But then there's a little blue yellow yellow on the sides. But then there's another color on top. That's what I want. Wait, wait. Nobody was bleach. I think he did something on top of the beliefs. I think something here. I think that that's the new edition is right in this. Do you think so? We're gonna ask here's Casey say nano she's walked in. She has the hair Garin wisit wishes. He had. No guarantee where? Yeah, you're right matter is there is some did you throw some color up on top there? Garron little toners in there. There is tone silvery sheen silvers to color that you that what it's called on the bottle. I don't know if I forgot what it was called silvery sheen, by the way is. That's Martin's third kid isn't. Yeah joke. Anybody who was lost in the fires? Jimmy. His Martin and his wife have been found and they want, but sill we've lost silver, silver, is that the pleasure fire. Okasha over the pleasure for the pleasure. Somebody pointed out, and what's his name is David Dale or Daniel Dale the guy reporter from Canada. That fact checks Trump's nonsense. I don't know the points out that his favourite part of Trump is when it Trump will never we and east dating apps, but they'll never admit that he's wrong, and he just, you know, corrects himself by justifies like an improviser he'll go pleasure or paradise yet. What choice either? And then somebody put it out, and he's still he goes my favorite Trump. Think of all time is when he called the the wrong name then made up a story to justify his big CJ DJ. He said he goes by both both. What do you say? You called me deejays. It would never happen. It is. It's your Elliot. He's like an improviser who's just trying to roll with everything. So yes and guy, but he only. Yes, ends himself. Of course, he will. He will know, but the rest of the room home, every success is every failure is in spite of him. Listen, I've said it'd be willing to say it again. Then I'm going to pull the plug in this guy. I'm not comfortable having an asthma attack. Then I don't know if I am I I don't know. And should I probably go to see my allergist instead of talking here on the microphone probably I'm choosing to see this through though and hope to God that I don't die. We're gonna be okay fingers case. That's so you like there's no inhaler. There's no over the counter inhaler that would help you don't sell that anymore. They used to sell a teen, MS. But now that you have to buy the pills. But I'm wondering if I should have Garin call over to the allergist, or maybe I just do that in the break and see if they can't prescribe what immediately and then I. In the other break run up through the rate eight and get it. Do you think they would have won? Because you're your allergist is right down the street. Right. There's also a chance they might they might have one that they could just you could just run over there and get a sample. I don't know the answer. Yeah. To they make Sam they may also say we need you to come in here. And because usually when you have a reaction they want you to stay there for like a half hour. So it would be a major stop down, but we would need. Well, we don't wanna do that. No, God forbid the flow of this program. I mean, the flow is everything did you notice? How how I was going down the the human being road and decided no this should be comedy. Did you hear? Did you hear that transition? I don't think anybody heard it. Okay. Well, they're going to comedy. All right. Casey, say non just in case, you might sing any of those words, right because you know, in print that could be a number of things, I never heard Casey's voice until this very moment. I only know her by Twitter and and messaging messaging. Messaging messaging messaging. Massaging. Yes. Because I'm your your bright. And I'm I'm dying in front of, you know, I'm I'm worried are you going to be okay? I don't know the answer to that. I don't wanna be the guy that kills you. Your lady. What? Sums up killing us the important part. Oh, that's that's what I don't want to do. We're going to be. Okay. I don't know. I think we'll be fine. How long is this supposed to take those pills to kickin? You took it twenty six months ago. There is that what it took them twenty eight minutes ago while they should be kicking in then soon. If not you know what it is. It's like it's like when I had the banana on the plane by throats closing up my lungs are closing up. I'm not doing. Well. This is not good. All right. Well, why don't we? So certainly keep talking. Professional. Show must go name the band. Sticks. Oh, I took a shot in the dark kiss. No. You just saw this. Did you? Queen case they. Not the end credits has a different song. It's got the. That other one that nobody knew it was a Queen song until the three weeks ago, which one you're my best friend capable the name. We will rock, you know, dammit, hang on getting out of second Casey, say notches or case, he's the show run over there at the busy Phillips program. But she's in our circle, we know Casey. We we have a gazillion mutual friends gazillion, and it's stupid that we're finally media. It's taken this long for us to meet, but you live in New York. Don't you? Well, not right now what oh you're fit for the program. Yes. But I live in Connecticut. Normally, oh, we're in Connecticut. Westport, connecticut. That's where my my sister. Now husband used to live there. Now, they live in Norwalk. Oh, yeah. What's this character? Norwalk? It's beautiful town. It's nice. All right. Hang was know. Know you're looking at this song. Oh, is it? Don't stop me now. Yes. That's it. Thank you. Well, I knew that was a Queen song. You did a lot of people did not do, you know, what don't know it might play a little bit of Garin because I don't know the deep cuts. Don't stop me for me. Who's a here at this time? Don't stop don't stop me. Now is that how it goes? Yeah. You're having trouble. That's me at the end of widow. Carrie? Wow. Thank you. How would you play my retirement? That's not karaoke you. You're just performing. I take over the. How sweet to spot. How can you ever? Hear the song. Not. No, it's it's unrealistic. Ice skating, pardon. Yeah. You pick it up. Now. This is when you're doing your clearly early. Really do the speed run. I like the part of the ice skating. I love when they go as fast as they can all the way from one into the other. It's funny that you have to you have to do that or something. As a technical term. That's right. Watch the Olympic zoo. Yeah. I don't know that that's better than the. That's any worse than south cow. Right. Like where does that come from triple? No, I've never I've been on ice skates. Twice a black cow. Remember that route bear with vanilla? That sounds good. Delicious food a black cow. They would like a root beer float. But just one different ingredient that they changed it to blackout probably offensive in two thousand eight say, it's a little problematic is it. I don't know. I don't know what it means. We funding the bovines the black ones then other place back in the barn. Bovine. Let's go again, I need to remind the audience. This guy is having trouble getting oxygen to his brain. How how are the Pels they working? I don't know if they are Casey we're gonna but we're going to get through. We're going to do. We're going to do is show you're taking there's the only Monday you have available because of your busy busy Philip schedule. I watched the program last night. I watched the one with oh, I'm going to get her name wrong. Lauren Graham, no Hamilton. Model? Maybe that's another last name Hamilton the model her last name holiday. That's it. That's holiday, and when I say washed Casey in fairness, I watched up until the second commercial break. Sounds like I'm putting it down. I'm not it's very very entertaining. It's be busy. Yeah. Yeah. That they go through the busy brings her staff out, and they they get properly fitted for brassieres, and because it's a big deal within eighty percent of women walk around their entire lives wearing the wrong size bra. You knew that. But it because it's so urinating slash nervous. Makings slash whatever. Inconvenient to go get fitted for a bra that you'd rather just walk around with like being uncomfortable. Why is it? No this. Now, this is I don't understand this. Because again, I turn this program off. Why is it on? Now, you have a wife. I could have just asked her. I guess we're currently not talking. Why why is it uncomfortable to go and and be properly fitted or why going to a Victoria secret and trying on various reserves to find the right size? Why is that uncomfortable for you ladies? Well, I think like you can try them on and take a guess at it. And but you're often wrong. I think it's uncomfortable in the same way that it's like not super fun to go to the doctor like it's intimate and a stranger is like touching use. Lash like, sizing you up. It's super weird. It's weird thing. So we wanted to do this piece where we're like, hey, let's cheer each other on while we go buy bras. And it'll be Superfund. There's this like legendary prop in Los Angeles where they the women are so good at it that they just look at you. And they don't even have to touch you or touch you at the tape measure anything and tell you what's happening with you in your bra. So we were we were like, yeah, let's go try, and it'll be super fun, and it was super fun and all the women that went had a really good time and felt really empowered. But then it was like, you know, like two guys work with us. And they were like we like it was funny. And then I started to enjoy their reaction watching it and the various edits of it. And I was like is it because you know, these women in their in their bra women rose. You know? So that was like a little funny. And then I was like then I was like, well, I like, I'm just enjoying how uncomfortable my friends are. So now, that's what's funny to me. It was a good experiment to try to put it on television. And see like, well, we'll these people in the audience, and we'll people at home see what we originally saw in it. And and it was so cute because one of our researchers took pictures of all the guys on the crew, and you know, TV crew guys like older guys and just like like dying laughing like cameraman, dying laughing our lighting director. How does that down on table? And so we were like, oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. We we were right? And what Philly like it worked, and it plead and and that was good. But we're also trying to like say a little thing. Like, you know, it's weird to go buy a bra, and you wouldn't think about it? But it's like a thing that we wear rega-, and you know, it's fucking irritating. Okay. Don't cover the language. I get your point. I give me the shame. If we if we if mentioned a word jockstrap, I was thinking that because because a jockstrap isn't a full pair of underwear. So your your your Butt's hanging out. And if somebody had to fill you for that, they come up and like measure the distance between your thighs and order to put the straps on correctly or something and then manipulate your testicles. I I would I wouldn't do it. Well, I'm back in. In other news, manipulation of high smell a new business by Elliott, your your handiwork over there. Look like. And you know, I don't use the phrase on point. I mean business here. My dad used to always wear jockstrap like we'd go play Racquetball or whatever he would always like would change into the jockstrap and shorts and so on. And I assume once you got older like when I was a kid like, what are you get to a certain age, and you need to wear a jockstrap kind of just went away. Thank God makeup. Well, because they introduced those like sort of lake road you were. If you were you went, and if you were to go play Racquetball tomorrow, you've just show up at a pair of shorts roof and your underpants. Although is read about one of the things that you should maybe wear a Cup because the ball comes right at you. I don't know. I mean that that and that is the main the main function of the jockstrap is to provide the Cup. Right. I think the main function is to keep you tight. Well, let me put it this way. If you're going to have a Cup. You have to have a jockstrap supporter will now they make like I said they make boxer briefs with the. Yeah. The have the built-in. So you don't have to have your asking like you. Terrible. When I was a kid when I saw like junior high school, they suggested that we wear those NS soon as I saw that. I'm like, oh, I'm not. No, that's not happening. I don't understand that that work. Yeah. That's also a dance belt is similar to that. Right. That's built is very similar to that. Although it's got a wider. Belt area waist area. What's a dance belt kind of a same thing. It's a jockstrap for dancers. Dancy spanks to everything from flapping around. Yeah. Tight down there. Now, I should you know this because I'm not well in doubt. I don't. We don't have. We'd never have to worry of me flopping around. Right. It's it's all tight and close. If anything, let's let's let's put a jock strap on. So it at a. Adelson? Give me a Cup. Give me a bulk. Yeah. Yeah. All right Casey's in here. There's a conversation for another day seems like we're fully we've had the full council conversations over. All right. Here's what's going to happen. In the break. I'm gonna try to find an allergy zertec or something like that gonna take that if not them to send Garin over the Braga, and you can get me one seven, and I think that'll take another deep breath right now. I'm breathing better. It sounds a little bit better. But I'm still having the my throat is closed. And so he's Ertak will hope with that. So we'll I'll take an allergy relief medicine, and but we're going to get through this. It's going to be okay. Guys, like nine twelve. Remember, we have nine eleven was horrible night twelve we still weren't feeling great. That's where we're at right now. Yeah. Twelve okay. This is us. We hear you soon the World War here. You. Hey, here's some exciting news. We are selling all the tour posters that we had made for our two thousand eighteen tour. Never not funny. Live in two thousand eighteen we have all those posters now available at pod swag. 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Everybody. Welcome back to the program. Episode Twenty-three fifteen cases in orange is with us. She's the she'll runner is recalling a shoulder or head writer. What do we yet? Is it all of it? Yeah. Writer on the show. I'm the show runner. I'm one of the many executive producers along with Tina Fey, busy Phillips, Stephen minor. And Eric Korean? Okay. I don't know those two men, but the. Every lady in there, David minor. I don't do. I know David minor like my name and Clinton is kind of a B D big deal to me. I don't know. I don't know David minor. I know this Tina Fey you spoke of Tina Fey. Yeah. Yeah. She's kind of she show up over there and give you guys notes, and you teller mind your business. Go back to Netflix. No. She does text a lot though, she does show up, but she's based in New York, but yes, she tech Salat and e mails a lot and she's super cool. Really? Yeah. I mean, like not to be all weird or whatever. I try not to be weird. But it's weird like Tina Fey bay. Like, hey, can I tell you some ideas? And I'm like, oh, yeah. Good ideas. Yeah. So she's very cool gives you a very Laura house five tour did. Yeah. Right. Heard that before no one of the way, you're the the the internet. Very Laura hausky. Oh, all right is a brilliantly. Funny. Comedian I say to be insulting to. You don't want it when the great Tony fields, and I had lunch toady and love her you do right? Aggravate again, I don't know you you're obviously younger than I am. But my generate like Tony fields was a female comedian. We enjoyed I've never said she. But you're you guys don't know who she is at all. He just was mainly like if you watch the Mike Douglas, you knew who told you was and then otherwise, no, I well, you know, I started out with like, you know, old school like I started out working for David Letterman. And so everyone who was his hero was super old school Johnny Carson, you know. So I spent a great deal of time like catching up I wanted to catch up. What did you do a program? I was his assistant you were. And that's where I learned how to write and started writing very, you know, twenty two years old first job out of college. So yeah. And that was late night. My late show. My first job was to pack. His office up at NBC and move his things over to the Ed Sullivan theater at CBS. So you were his. Personal assistant one of them. Yes. All right. So you you and Morty would butt heads. Morty would come in and say Dave needs to do this. And you would you would have to be a deflected force. I mean, I guess I loved Robert I love him still a talked to him every once in a while. Do you talk to you when you need to buy a? And guess what? He does not being. It's so cool. Right. Just he sells you'll get an Email from Maury. Yeah. E so's mansions, and you go. Why this? Well, if he sells one key makes forty million dollars commission like their craze. Right. It's insane. Beautiful beautiful homes. Yeah. I'm so proud of him. It's kind of cool, and he's like such as stylish guy that it totally makes sense that he'd be like, yeah, I'm going from television comedies like selling cool houses to cool people. But houses that you and I will never be able to afford not even be invited. You. Right. Obviously, you would I for the listener to Matt. I was that Casey could not afford these homes. No, I cannot and also probably cannot be invited. Okay. So all right. So you would you you would be they're getting Mr. Letterman Assane, which share and Morty would come in and go we got a meeting, and then you would how would you handle it? I'd be like, okay. Boy, you really very strong, very tough. Yeah. This is how it's done. I'd be like, okay. Yeah. I mean, what else did I do sandwiches? Check. I did get some sandwiches pasta. He liked pasta. Dave penney. No, like, it's like an angel hair Hewitt. Eat some angel a few bites angel hair every day for lunch. But yeah, I was mostly agreeable with everyone that worked there. But did have like a weird. Do you want me to tell weird story? Why wouldn't we it's up to you? Whatever you're comfortable telling I did have a weird thing one time, which was really the first time. I was ever putting up -sition to be like you cannot be here. And it was like we they would always put us on the show the league show with David Letterman, and it was super cool because you see if you got on TV, you could like double your pay for the week, you know, because we're all kids, and you get paid whatever feats be on television. So there was this thing where Dave was like, okay. We're going to send the standby line up to my office to watch the show. Oh, because they're not getting into the theater, so that's going to be a bit. And we'll have a camera out there. And then once I'm done with every guest's. I'm going to send them up to the office. So the guests that night were Lyle Lovett was in his office and Warren Beatty was in his office and Garry shandling was in his office. And and then just some people from like buffalo that were on the stand by line and myself. So I was like the hostess of like, we're in Dave's office watching the show on the television because you didn't get into the theater, and so all I really remember is that it was fun. And like I talked to Dave and got to be on television. So I was excited that I was going to get like four hundred fifty dollars or whatever and the people from buffalo were so nice. And I remember Warren Beatty kept taking greats off of this platter. And being like in the commercial break. Like, what do I look like eating these grapes? And I was like. Warm baby eating grapes. But then the the incident happened after it was all done in the show was over in. Dave was like, I know because I'm as the system like going back to his dressing room to change out of his suit and to get into lake has play close or whatever it's come back up and do like a post mortem on the show, which they did every night, the producers and writers. And so I was like, okay. Thank you, Warren, Beatty and Lyle Lovett and Garry shandling or so nice to have you. And I really love all you guys. Thank you so much, and then Garry shandling was like I'm gonna hide in Dave's closet and jump out and scare them. Seems like a bad that seems like not a great idea. Like, you probably wouldn't think that was funny as you seem to think it would be and he was like, no, no, I'm going to do it. And I was just like really like having you know, again, I was like probably twenty three years old at that point. And that was like do I physically tried over move from this office, or did you I really like make an appeal to him? I mean, just I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how Dave would've reacted. I probably I wouldn't like someone to jump out of a closet and surprise me. And I didn't know if I should like go get an adult to help me out. So, but then something clicked, and I was like I think he's just doing this because I appear to be freaking out. And he's enjoying the freaking out. That's what's funny to him. So then I was just like just wandered away. And. I guess he lost interest in the bit for Dave ever came up. But yeah, so war he still in the plus. Could you imagine? I should go check. I would he's going to jump out on Stephen Colbert. That'd be amazing. That would be amazing. I think about a so many times when someone that I love who's famous dies. I always think like like, I just thought this boat MCA from the BBC boy. And I was like what if he's actually not like it's totally print because he was a prankster. I was like, yeah. Come back. Like he's going to burst out of somewhere sometime. He's not though. He's not right. I think Gary. Oh, no. We really got primed for that with you know, so many years of Elvis is alive. Yeah. That you know, when we were little kids being like, well, maybe maybe. Huge prince fan. So I often have that same Mike fantasize about it. Yeah. Do you know, our friend CeCe Pleasants? Yes. Because she is also a nutjob for prints would imagine the two of you would hit it off. We do know one another. We do. Yeah. Yeah. The whole it's nice. There's like a little prince community. And if you can get over how weird it is that like a huge amount of your friends are friends because you just saw love this little this little guy. You know, but it is kind of weird like I just this past spring went to I've been a number of times, but went to Peasley park for this like four day celebration thing that they have that's all these symposiums. And you know, you tour the museum, and and everything, and then you see concerts with like, you know, acts that were affiliated with prince. And my husband was like, it's truly like your high school reunion. The people keep coming up to you being like, hey, it's me Tony from Belgium. Oh my gosh. So, you know, these people, so you're not kidding. You are a huge that. Yeah. Wow. How did you see the revolution? When they were just recently doing live shows. Yes, I saw them. I think three or four times. Them once I guess. Are you enjoyed that show? Oh my gosh. They're so good. And it's such a nice show that they're doing where they love what Wendy is like one of Wendy Melvoin is like one of my all time life heroes just for everything. And I loved how she said that like you're the singer like people kept asking who's going to replace him as the singer. And the answer is nobody you're all the singers. And so we're just doing this nice show to be together. And it was just it was very cool to see them kind of all grown up because they were really kids when we saw them. So Mark Brown the bass player like seeing leaky was so I remember him being so shy. And like, yeah, he's like what seventeen eighteen years old just in this world wide phenomenon band. And it must have been so weird for him. So to see him like taking command to the stage and being like, a cool grownup. It was pretty cool for me when I show them they head to do. My Rudolph came out and did a couple of. Yes, she's amazing. But they had to dudes that would sing the. Opposite the print song idiot. And one was phenomenal Stokely from mint condition. And one was oh, boy, I don't I'm trying to think who the other person was I don't know. I love bummed. We we saw the guy from mint condition, which is like a Minneapolis band that prince loved and was a fan of he was the lead singer. And I brought my teenage son to see them with me brought nobody else would probably go like my my third time seeing them. So I brought him to be kings. I think to see him, and he was like those two cool that they let that teenager get up in sing with them. And I was like that guy is fifty. Looks good. Stookey still claimed Oakley. Yeah. Did he was he costumed? Yes, we're costumes. It's it's like not a costume. Exactly. But it's kind of like a tribute and like a high concept outfit, usually sometimes a hat. He's good looking guy here. He's young. Like a teenager to my teenager. Wow. If you're a teenager, you're doing exactly teenager would know. Yes, rather sharp, aren't they? You have to teenagers teenagers. Yeah. Young adults men. Yeah. A nineteen year old and a sixteen year old Hardcastle and a Chicago sixteen. With that. I wasn't maybe a you could've called it. A. Molly ringwald sixteen Kansas Kansas going to go with the ringwald certainly could've. What do you think our friend, John Cryer? He's got a new role. He's going to be lex Luther. That's exciting. Really? Yeah. Here that which is bizarre because he played lex Luther is what nephew or something similar in three. Oh, yeah. We're so is the dishonor is nephew. It was something. I don't remember it as a member playing him on supergirl, see. That's right. There's not Super Bowl. It was the Twitter was a buzz of that gas that raking that was that seemed to Twitter over the weekend with Ricky oh are said that none of these fires would have happened. If they would just leave rates for lawers. If we rate because that's what they told them in in Finland. Right. Well, he heard. Yeah. That there's no forest fires in Finland. And it's really because they rake up those it's nothing to do with the fact that they have inches and inches more rain, right? And you know, it's more of the sun. Sorry, maybe better power power safety in their power lines. Because wasn't so Carolina's in Vic responsible for our lives started. The so Cal and Pacific Gas and electric always both. Yeah, they each fire apparently started by one of them. Well, listen, you guys complain though, you want the lack of raking. I gotta get this leaves. Once we get those leaves up. Thank you Garin. Get them is why raped by backyard and regular basis. I leave those leaves out there. I got a I got a brushfire within seconds. City will burn the ground. Right. Then I'm gonna blame. I sent Oliver out there. Young men to grab that rate. Could you out there you save this city? If only there was a workforce that was like coming from somewhere else. Like ready to do the raking. Oh, looking for work looking for some way to subsist a little bit of money for five. I mean, I know it's kind of a pipe dream that like that thousands of people would actually come to this country to do that. But turnaround, you're not welcome. There are people. Yeah. Oh my God. Tells them to turn around. They are not welcome here. The other an invasion force gotta hear back. Yeah. Did they turn around? I don't think a few of of made it in their town heard anything about them since they made this. You know, he tweeted over the weekend, they they made it to Tijuana. And apparently, it's too many people for Tijuana handle, so don't think about coming here. And then people like serve the country of the United States is much bigger than little appeal wanna. Maybe we can handle them back. Yeah. Towards the nice thing. The great Bonnie Tyler song. Got a care of income. And you want them turned around to hit. That was pretty good. How has your breathing by the way, it seems to be improving? Okay. And I believe the allergy pill is opening the the wind path. Yes. So little loopy. Joe this is just making. Jenner's trying to give the medicine the credit for that. But no, there's still some tightness right in there. But I think the desert technical opened that and we'll see how clear the lungs can be as we learned doctor Campbell said on a recent episode. Yeah. That's what my doctor said. Well, put about are the floor or scope, it's Clair's London's can be doctor Campbell. I did. Oh, wow. This is a rollercoaster for me. Sure, you made me fall in love with them. And then come away. He was a very nice man doctor Campbell high. Also, sometimes think that he might pop back. Ted. Case where are you living while you're here? I live in mount Washington Osho up there up Highland Park. Yeah. It's really pretty. Yeah. There's it's interesting. There's no real buses orders place or anything like that. So that's interesting coming from New York or Yubari everywhere. Did you rent a car? I rented a car, but my poor son is just like I I walk down stairs. That were. I hope they weren't someone's yard of my tried to get a try to get a bus to Hollywood. But he's he's doing okay. So far, so good. So you're you're nineteen year old is with you or your sixteen year old. My nineteen year old is back east in college. And my sixteen year old is here attending his junior year of high school, and he's attending here. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. He wants to go into politics. So I think it's like interesting for him to just, you know, a totally different school across the country. He went to school back east, and he's going to a public school out here. And it's so so so different. So he's enjoying it. Great. Are you comfortable saying his name? His name is Lincoln high. Lincoln. He listens to this podcast. He does he's a huge comedy fan. Only gets it gets into way. Casey, never wheel. Can we defensive right to her face? All right. Let's say a little Garrett cockerels over there. The pop culture because dot com Garin other than dry throwing some silver into your hair high who away did you what'd you over the weekend? I think of import we're gonna do this weekend. I started writing a new script. Okay. I watched widows. What'd you think? What does I saw widows? I liked it a lot. It's a smidge long. Did you find long the entire movie? I don't think it needed to be two hours and fifteen minutes was only two minutes and nine two hours nine minutes. And I know that because my arc late ambassador said made a joke about I don't know why they couldn't find another minute to make it an even number and audience laughed like they'd never heard comedy before. Joke. He did see something else after that was funny that I actually met her myself kinda funny killing he did say something funny. But I like the guy movie, why don't you get job? Sincerely, you love the arc light. And you'll love the arc light. I think it'd be nice. Hey, everybody. I'm gary. What would Eric like me? See in widows comes in two hours, nine minutes. Here's the problem. Those kind of jobs, they don't give me the time of day. I've been fighting for a job at Barnes and noble. I think I'm overqualified at this point if they've sent him away. We'll tell them you're not they won't even progress past the application dumbed down your resume. Yeah. Dumbed on the resume. I mean, I guess I can do that. Well, there's not a lie. If you need something off distraught by degrees. Yeah. Absolutely five of them and your age drop, your age directories with this new silver hair of yours. They're going to they don't know. How old are your of busy seventy five or twenty two. We don't know. I had a a one on one arc light ambassador situation once which was. Interesting. The only one in the movie theater. Yeah. Oh, so you have to pay attention at that point. You can't not because then you're a dick because you're giving me information, where's my exits? But I'll usually be finishing up checking in it. Whatever my phone, and then this time I have. Cares cares. The movie theater what if you in that situation? Seriously, if you said as early as possible. I'm good don't worry about it. I got I got it. I know the Stein of the deal. Do you think that this cross my mind, you think you could stop them from doing so? Well, you know what I do? It's my job. I just I would like to see I would like to see someone try to be kind of funny. If you're the only one in there when I went to front runner. I was you only went in there me and some woman who was staying to watch it a second time, and she was in a wheelchair. So they let her Donna rice. It may. Yeah. But desperation wheelchair. Let's she in disguise. That's exactly right. Just she's a notes her. Why would you stay and watch it a second time who this woman? Yeah. I I don't know. One was was plenty for me. The front runner of all movies. I got to see it again. I got a I got to get those details. I somebody that didn't have anywhere to go. Like, she was just killing time code different theaters. Another here, I'm over here. You know, who's dollar really Casey laughed at people know, you're doing precise silent Laufer, I've been laughing very hard. This whole time. Let's let's amp up that side. We can't do throw some decibels on that thing. That's the saddest islands and this. Oh, upside heinous, I don't like the ban the band that did that cover that's beautiful on Conan. They did the great cover the band the Derg disturbed. I I wouldn't listen to them ever. But that version of theirs is beautiful. I'll have to bodies at the Florida me. They don't do music. You like that's the style. They do not love anger. It's weird that they did that's on probably 'cause they lost that vowel. Isn't that isn't that one of the band's where they dropped the drop the at the end? Think we're about the drive you right now. Should even moody was when he came in here. He says he turned it around fast today. Yeah. He did. You did you turn it around fast. I think I'm progressing in my ability to deal with my own flaws. It's almost like I think he's almost ready to hear about the other thing, which I. What the hell from? We don't need to talk about it on the air. But the people players club video people know that there was a mix up with the video and. I just wanted to that. We said I made a mistake this onto different videos. Yeah, November when he when he when I fixed it this morning. And then you went in and changed it, and then I had to fix it again. Oh, you mean the thing I posted it was wrong. Yeah. Lot of drama here. Guys, very case. Sorry, sorry. It's okay. It's over the busy Philip show. She to bubbly. No. We don't have a great deal of drama. You guys do an odd Sunday through Wednesday schedule. Why is that happening walk me through? I think it's because it's shifts us out of the same week that everyone else is having. I think sort of the point of the show is to give you like a nice little treat as you're settling down for the evening and Sunday night is a stressful time for people. So to have like a a little half hour to fight off the Sunday scary. So you can have a nice Monday morning was kind of the idea and Also Sunday nights a big night on E. So that isn't hurt. Yeah. The kardashians. Are I don't keep our? Oh, wait a second shot. Yeah. I don't I don't know. How you did that I'm impressed. Yes. So I think that's that's that. You know, there was. I don't know why four nights a week most of five, but you know, just we just wanna make your show as much as they'll let us at Sunday idea. Yeah. Nice. I like the frizz Sunday scary. I do too. Yeah. Did you have that? When your kids scary. Oh, my God hitting you're vomiting or whatever never physically sick. But I just had just the deep just sunk into a depression having like thinking about oh, I haven't done my homework yet. Oh, I have to go school tomorrow. Like the all that that feeling of like a it's not here yet. But it's coming let me so I can't even enjoy this never goes away then into delta, right? So. Yeah. So it just like a little treat to like have Margarita. Let's speak fee and socialize with celebrities and make fun of chickens. I don't know we just you know, we're just trying to have a good time. And you are getting some great guests. I mean Julia Roberts, which is arguably one of the biggest movie stars of our lifetime. Yes. And she's a big fan of busies. They're like. Met each other on Instagram or whatever. So. Yes. So it was very fun. And she just really came like ready to play into goof off, which I love. Yeah. And yet, and she was so nice and just hung out. She wasn't. Yeah. Just met. Everyone was super cool and put everyone at ease. But yeah, we've had some really good guests, Kristen bell. She's delightful in the extreme. Yes. So and this week we're having shows that are all the guests are all busies friends for like a Friendsgiving week. So you already pre-tape all the already taped the last night. Lauren Graham, aired from Gilmore girls and parenthood and tonight is like Barron Hilton. It's a really really funny show. So I I'm excited for people to watch it because he's like adorable. I'd never met him before he is another person like you who's friends with everyone that I'm friends with. But I'd never met him. And I was walking by and he grabbed my arm, and he was like Casey, it's me. Barron holtz. And then I was just like, oh, hey mates donates to meet you. And he was like, I know you from from Instagram. That was really cute and sweet. And he just really brought it and was a super super funny guest and cooked a recipe a secret recipe for us, and well, I'll let you watch it. I'll let you watch all three acts of it tonight. Wow. It's worth it. It's twenty two minutes. I what I watched. I enjoyed. Here's here's the truth about the matter. I was watching it. And then we're putting my son into bed in my son is under the weather like we were distracted by things like, you know, what I can't focus on this. I watched enough to say I watched it on the hero. You didn't also have to be you didn't have to tell the truth about it. You just said you watch the game. All about the truth. But it seemed like it's isn't it. On your way to be hurtful about that. It was not the it was not the best way. Hey, nice to meet you watch your show. Couldn't take his whole six. Your work. I didn't take it personally. But I encourage you to watch the entire episode tonight. I think it's worth it. Okay. You send me a message tomorrow telling me whether or not you probably won't be tomorrow. But I get you getting. Yeah. My hope. Elsewhere. It's over there on the program. Our our fringe, Steve Hollander. Well, that's right. Yeah. You told me that Stephen stage manner because busy she used to the nicest human being in his busy because he's the best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was he was moonlighting over the Sarah show. Well on the he was the model for the during the break. Yup. Yeah. So he came to us through his plunk. Oh, who's our director who you probably have also worked with lose be over Jay Leno s and her husband used to work at Conan. And that was really weird feels as well. Her husband is Jack over there. Yeah. Jim, jim. But Jack on Jim I worked with jacket the Rosie O'Donnell show years ago. So he they're all they're all famous to me, the various plunk is were you pleased. I know this is an off air conversation. Please tell Jack is at a low. Oh, well, that was one of my favorite go. When I started at in day. One jet was one of the kindest nicest welcomed me in and we would also bond over various other things various things when I was at Rosie we had a daycare for our children. So my young son was in the Rizzi daycare every day. So it was like like having like toddlers as part of the staff, so everybody on the staff knew all the babies and Jack was so kind to my little boy. And so nice and always said Hello and and played with them. And so when my son was little I would say, what do you want to be when you grow up, and he would say, I just wanna to be handsome like, Jack. Jax handsome. I was being I would win till you. Stop talking shockingly had some Ken, okay. Jack, Jack, poly fifty five now, maybe sixty even. But he's thinking movie-star books. Jack Gibb to get in front of the cairn either side of the kids. Right. Yeah. That's amazing. That you're so say that I told to be had like Jack because I would leave. I would to go. Look at Jack. And she also would wear like this leather jacket that like like nobody would wear a leather jacket in LA somehow Jack pulled it off. Of course, he's like handsome like I feel like you have to warn people. To me, his brilliant like watch out. Don't get lost in his eyes. Well, also, he's so nice. It's what does he who? Does. He look he looks like anybody does. She look like that's a great question who does jet look like just want to be able to picture just looks like a handsome never gonna meet them. That's for sure. No, no, my friend. I know you're not meeting Jack. I understand totally know the last thing you're going to meet Jack not taking away from me. You would hurt me though. But I said, please, please tell check is at a low. Yeah. You gotta look Russia showed you everyone. Does your kid does your restaurant, Jack? There's no to meet this kid listens to our show. Does that he knew this is the this is the old. His brother heard all about it. Now. So. That's right. Thanksgiving. We're yeah. We're cool. Are you going back to used for thanksgiving? Yeah. My older son's coming tomorrow. And then we're going to be here and have thanksgiving with friends here. That's wonderful. Yeah. Should be fun. We I think my kids are excited because we always had that thanksgiving where anyone was invited. So we would have like forty or fifty people in your house in Connecticut gas. Oh, my kids are my older son is so good at making batch cocktails, which is disturbing talent. Discover in a sixteen or seventeen year old, but they're excited not to have to cook in socialize with you know, so so many adults this year. So you're going somewhere. Yeah. We're just going to a friend's home, a friend. You might know. That's also off is it Jack. Door opens up happy thanksgiving. Jack, Jack, log right there at the door. Oh, my God handsome, Jack. You would love Jack on the job as a gay man Garin. You would love Jeff. I don't know. Why everything you've said, I'm Joe, I'm picturing, Kurt Russell. That's what I know. What it's not. It's it's not unlike maybe tennis, quite maybe. Yeah. No. What would you say? Casey. That's that. It's a really tough one. Gosh, I wonder if you put up a picture of if you put him if you Google lose on job. Go to check on Jeb dot com. I think we may have oversold this. But you have to know the fact that Casey me and her kids guy's handsome. We're not the kid disliked playing with them, by the way, Oliver also was like. It was mesmerized sounds like he's got charisma out the wazoo. Oh my God. Okay. Let me see him back. He's over here doing. Guy was talking about. I'm going to try to figure. Yeah. It's true. Doesn't really look like anybody's. That's not even a great picture. Total original. Zoom in on this jacket handsome. On that. I've never seen a better job in my tire life. They had to get every fire. The they got rid of the operator wants to Jack left. No, more Jack. No more no joke. No joke. He was excuse me privately owned, a semi truck owner, Jim. Well, it's fun to work with a husband and wife. I think is this. Yeah. I think it's fun. It's funny. But then you get here on the headset. Jack, she's yelling about the shots disease. So lovely to everyone. But it it's funny. And I always like, I am always like, oh, it's cute. Like when she tells them what to do. I like I like I like when the wife is the ball, sisters business, Krista. I worked with her at Rosie to crash present an Email chain that was on. I think I've met her a total of a one and a half times. Yeah. She was a producer at the resume Donald show when I was a young writer, and we went the first thing we ever did was go to the Texas State fair with Paula Poundstone together. And then you did nothing. But laugh, I would imagine. Oh, no, I don't I don't remember a great deal of it. I remember chilly. I remember there being a great importance on chilly there. Chewy? And I thought you meant from Chelsea handler. Very important. We must protect. He was not there that I know of. But big Tex that guy that burned down. He was there. I remember that the big lake the out of the Texas State fair gets in the big adventure. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But he like suffered a tragic end. Did they rebuilt him? So I don't know. This is not just does not do Jack any Justice. But looking at that picture what he looked like to me, a more handsome version of the NBC White House correspondent, I don't remember. That guy's name. Do you know who I'm talking about? I was hoping you would know injury Mitchell. But a more handsome. Jackson was out of former sentence helicopter, the guy, you know, you're Mitchell, by the way, I've told she's one of the greatest report of all time then great put her in the field. Why do I have to see her? She can't read prompter, and she can't former sentence. But, but I I'm told by many people using great reporter she puts their feet to the fire. Yes. So the get back to that at some point don't go walls and other our graduate to I don't have to do that. I think it is a very broadcast newsy thing where she graduated from that because it's not probably the most. If that's your skill set. Look, you don't you don't what? What? Carpeting? No, you know, that you you. You don't want to be on the road to any more than you are now I don't want to be on the road at. All right. Neither probably probably I like purply took all the vows out about just. Oh. Matt is it major Garrett? That doesn't sound right. But maybe which never could you say it was I thought it was I thought he was on NBC. I'm getting a neighbourhood alert for my ring kids starting fires. Oh, dear. These two kids have set a fire. My front lawn today to do rake. Respond for Rick that lawn lawn. That's from your doorbell told you. Yeah. Ring re rings got a neighborhood alerting mixed door. Our next door said that there was a raccoon with bleeding eyes. Oh god. I don't know. It seems like Permian seems terrible. Terrible. Seems terrible. Nothing. Good ever happens. You don't hear about anything? Good on next door number like as stranger left me a fruit basket. Yeah. Yeah. But my husband decided for like a week. He went he decided he was going to go to everything that you get invited to you on next door the weird things he went to thing where like if you brought a photo of your pet. They'll like help you try to psychically get in touch with your pet, and then he went to like like a witchcraft wearing shop of place in like a plus size women store, and yeah, he had a it was a fun idea. I didn't know next door had that I've never used it. Yeah. He just was like there's all this weird stuff. And then he was like laughing about it and showing it to me. And then he was like that's kind of mean, it's gotta dick just to laugh about it. Right. Like, I should go. See he was making amends by. No. He just was like, I think like sometimes our our instinct is to like L O L at something that seems ridiculous. But then he went to them. And he was like actually it just has like a lot of the same principles as like religion. And you know, other weird things that aren't for me, but not necessarily like not as insane. As it initially sounded does your husband had the handlebar moustache. He doesn't. He does. Not. What does he are you comfortable talking about? Yeah. Yeah. My husband is he's an award winning short story writer, but he also is manager of trader Joe's at USC. Oh, cool. I've learned from the Fox News that people that work at trader Joe's are losers. Try this number for the kid from kids man that guy that played the the Sandra's husband on my Cosby show. Jeffrey. Yeah. When he yeah. That's like similar, you know, same kind of thing. Like somebody was like, oh, let me take this guy's picture because he's like enemy. We weren't in a dissimilar situation. Like, my husband went to work at trader Joe's. So we had steady health insurance us, you know, and also because he was an adjunct college. Professor and trader Joe's pays we better in his way, more study work than than that kind of thing. Once you get he's at a new one on the USC campus. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like actually in the ground floor of a dormitory, which is pretty cool. And it's he also worked at trader Joe's in Connecticut. So yes, so it's interesting because it's like a totally different type of clientele. If at store a lot of students a lot of international customers. So it's interesting, and it doesn't he still writes a ton. So I think at like kind of perpetuates, you know. Yeah. That's a great place to be does. He have an inside track on jingle jangle. All I was thinking about the entire time were talking so much single jangle going around does really he he brings me home this lake. Ricotta lemon. Ricotta cheese is seasonal and it's so good, and I really have different bite. My instinct, not to like take advantage of the fact that he has access to it. I don't think you. Trek jingles clear. It's not just math question. So do you watch Riverdale? I don't but I've heard. Yeah. That's why I've got hard to get. Yeah. Yeah. That there's like on the show Riverdale. There's a drug in Riverdale called jingle. Oh, and I always wonder I always want to know did they name it for foot? So was last Christmas. The first time that happened that it was harder to get real hard to get up until last Christmas. I feels like that's true. Yeah. And I think I last Christmas you remember, do you gave me your heart? Yeah. Gave it away. Yeah. This year to save it from its out. Now, though if you can. Okay. I was there on Friday at a and see it. But I'll check took a gator about my Spurs. There's your Spurs, right? No. Thank you. Let me circle back real quick Elliott that the major carrot was not the guy was thinking. Okay. Sorry. Is it Peter Alex either yet that sounds right? Hold on. I like Peter Alexander. He kind of looks like I shouldn't know, by the way. But why do I knew every God damn news pundit? Well, talking face. I I'm gonna I'm gonna flip that on your Jimmy. I think the reason why we have Trump as a president is because a lot of us don't know those names because because we we should be paying attention. So I'm I'm I feel guilty. I'm going to cause a scared white people is why we have tro. Sure. But what why are they said it's because they're because they're ignorant and Ilan educated whites there. I've said it if I lose listeners, so be it. We already lost. Eighteen months. I think he's mature speaker that though like Orange County defected at blue in revolt and other areas of the country did not, and maybe this is a too big of a sweeping statement uneducated whites are still scared. And that's what's happening. What do you? Bangs. Voter suppression gerrymandering, you know, people moderating their own elections for some offices. It's it's a lot. It's a lot seems like maybe maybe scrap it scrap elections. Yeah. Yeah. We do it after twenty twenty do one more at least. Yep. Then scrap it just to see what you see the other day when he was like he like reassured people that he wasn't going to change the constitution to run a third time. And I was like. I don't mind that reassuring. He's like trying to prime the pump. Yeah. Do you like let me see how worked up people yet about this? And I might try to do it. Well, my fears. It goes from him to to his daughter to his son to his son to his gray. Like it just never. And again, these dumb people could go. Yeah. Yeah. Having more likely it'll be someone as bad or worse than him. But like they're worse because they're a little bit smarter. And like better at being evil like I the opportunity that. Yeah. Strata? He's opened the door for a lot of bad actors. I mean, like the Stephen Baldwin's of the world. Coming in Washington is ugly. Yeah. I think about that often. I don't know why just. Purge which which was believed Daniel Baldwin was stunned. The purge this TV series. I don't know. Which would you wanna talk about two long Garin the purse Steve users was ten episodes could have been a nice tight four. Oh. Oh, no, no watch for for fun. Garner. Are you watching the hunting of hill house on? I've watched a couple of us odes. I've heard it's insanely scary. It is great. It's just. It's heavy. Nick. Yeah. I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just if you think like a horror TV series, you kind of automatically think. Well, it's just gonna be can't be fun. This is heavy drama with scares which this new Hulu horror series. Or is it Netflix? Where maybe it's a different story every week different stores. There's a bunch of those channels zero. No, it's supposed to be great. You another one. Is it started? I already talking about the. Yeah. I don't think that's a start. Yeah. I think that's on Netflix. With the pigs in the poster. What's that? No. That's told me a story. Oh, that's what I was thinking of that's something else. But that's not into the dark into the dark. I was right. I got it. Right. Yeah. Oh, it did start October fifth on Hulu. What is this? Or what you Sabrina, which is actually really good people. Raymond. You're watching that as well. Okay. Yeah. I watched some of the hunting of hill house, and it's so good. But it is it's like. Weirdly, triggering don't make fun of me. But like there's so much like family drama that I'm like that. That's scary enough. I understand like Ed people jumping out. I saw the trailer. And was like, I don't think I can handle this people can binge it. I was binging it. And then I had to take a break. I think I'll go back and watch it in a sensible frame. Yeah. But it's a lot. It's a lot. I don't know. At least it was the one who wanted to watch it. And I was like she doesn't like scary stuff. But she was like I've heard this really good. And I'm like, I don't think either of us can handle those. Yeah. It's not a Bill nuptial agree. I agree. I agree. I agree on one second commercial. I saw. Yeah. And you guys were. So nobody's watched the Elton John commercially it that I've I want you guys to watch and Garin. It's great. Yeah. Have you seen? It haven't seen that. It's I forget what the product. We. We didn't we ever found out. Whether it was I think it's like, you know, an England they'll just make things for Christmas. And there's no point to it. This is like it's Christmas. Here's a commercial or a song. And like, I know Christmas songs are common thing. But that seems to be more emphasis on it. Their Love's Chris of it. So. So am I call him Father Christmas over Christmas? They love it. So is it just like a sponsored music video or it is. Do you like it's a law firm? It's like Shakoor been in learn larceny or something like that. It's bizarre. It starts with Elton John modern day at the piano goes backwards through his life. And it ends with his mother giving him his piano, his first PNO. And it. Really? It's really well done. I'm getting emotional watching you get emotional. But I also like the idea that that's a very UN not American idea that like we can just be a law firm until you this nice story say our name at the end there. UK department store chain. Gosh. Yeah. So they're like a works. Yeah. We don't need to like sell you on our department store. We'll just tell you a nice story. And then you'll have pleasant feelings about us. Yeah. No. That makes sense. I am surprised that doesn't happen here. Because. To the seventies and eighties. They would would be you wake up and JC Penney. Sears would have nice commercials. Like that where it wasn't right? It'd be their kids coming down the stairs. And they look at Sears. Who would now? Shop fox. This is an event. It's it's almost like the the fact that it's four brand is secondary to the fact that we're like we're debut in our big. Yeah, thing it's like a short film almost the way you're describing it. I haven't seen not interested should watch. It. Well, sit down with some hot cocoa tonight. Let's not convenient through the family around children. Come watch the Elton John Christmas commercial. Oh, it's John Lewis and partners Christmas, Ed. So that's why I was like. Yeah. Weird. But they somehow manage to make the guy playing young John look older than Elton. John is now as they go back in time. And I was like this is weird part of this deal. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So you guys still have to look better. These guys. You don't mental John twice. Very nice, man. I met him one time. I twice I said. I know, but I'm just saying I met him to half as many times and to that goes probably it was fine. He asked for a diet coke, and I gave it to him which is the David Letterman program. Yeah. We did this show in London. And he was one of our guests. Remember, I can't remember are still standing I was very focused on David dukov ni coming. Exactly. Yeah. He is. Yeah. So I it was something. It was something good. I'll look at it. I wanna know if you were the I went to watch a in two thousand what year did I watch. UBS two thousand and two is when I went to watch a live David Letterman taping I wasn't there. I was only there from nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety six and then I was at the radio Donald show until two thousand to you there. What barber? Janette barber in damone Iowa. Ninety. Wow. She was the headliner. Wow. Todd. Something was the feature. I was the c-. Oh my God. That's the next thing. I saw that Barbara was writing on Rosie O'Donnell. She was our head writer. He's been told. Yeah. Chew story Janette barber. She was great. I loved working with her because she just didn't have any ego. She was like I was a kid. I was twenty three twenty four years old. I think when I got to writer there, and the fact that she had already had this whole other comedy career and wasn't like your kid. And you have to do what I say she'd be like your kid, and I'm listening to what you're saying. And she was a yelled at her a lot. I think you yoga because it was a live show at ten in the morning. And so she would I was a writer, and so we would go in and pitch really early to Rosie early in the morning. And then she said yes to this no to this. And then you'd have to run like really run and go, right? It up run run run. And so I would always be. Be at my desk. Like trying to write up whatever pitch. She had approved and Ginette would be like standing behind me because it needed to go to the teleprompter in like seconds, or whatever. And I'd always be like. And then I may I remember making a piece of I put a piece of tape on the floor and said that she couldn't. And she was so nice. She was like I'm not over the tape. I'm just waiting for handoff for whatever. But so. Yeah. So every morning I'd be like, please. So being behind me. It's too much. It's a lot. Yeah. So what Barbour? Yeah. But she was great. She was amazing. And like just a really lovely interesting person. I learned a ton from her health issues of mistaken. Yes, she had a lot of health issues. But have you like caught up with our lately, she's like a world traveler, and she talked about people that look younger than Elton John. She looks amazing. Really? Yes. She looks at mazing. And she's like every time I check in on her. She's in Italy or France or wherever just having the time of her life. I have not seen her since nineteen eighty nine. I want to say, I will also tell her you go who maybe she'll remember maybe she remembers that would be a an amazing. I've no it in that sense. An amazing things buke Whitson says well, be fashioned. She has a good memory though. Yes. Far as memorable? I guess I was painfully unfunny. That's my guess. Some recent guests who worked with early in your career who did not remember you. My Paula Poundstone. And there was a guy who won who was Steve Louis needs to boost you knew it worked with him twice total of fourteen days. Couldn't remember me. It'll offer. I he won't care. If I tell the story, but I just this show that I worked on before. I went to work on busy was watch. What happens live with Andy Cohen? I was there for nine years and she's been out for nine years. Yeah. And early on in the show. It was like I think like eight weeks, and and and he was always making a joke about like you have a weird name. I can't remember your name just like making up nicknames for me and early in the show like eight weeks, and he was like, you know, all jokes aside. I know it's only been a couple of months, but I feel like we've known each other for much longer. And I was like well we've worked together before. And he was like really went. I was just like I mean, I think people just don't, you know, they just. If you if you didn't make an impression on someone. I don't think it was your fault. Interesting like your positives. To make yourself feel better than Andy Cohen doesn't know who you are. What's it's the thing is Jimmy you're a memorable person I've gone through my life having to accept that. I'm not a memorable person. So I go into every situation just assuming people don't remember me because I'm like, I I'm a generic looking white guy. I don't stand out. I'm sort of introverted. So the same. I always let people off the hook like preemptively introducing myself and then enjoying them link. Of course, I remember you, of course, you're like, you're lying, but. Thank you guys circle. Back to Rosie. I can only if you promise to never used the phrase circle. Twice in one show. Well, there's a lot of circling. It has to be done. I don't want to. You want to go back to the Rosie show this cancelled away something happen on that show. Once when I was watching it, and it's it's weird how certain little things happen. And then like you never I've I've thought about it. Probably I think about every time I hear the song closing time, particularly. But I also think about it other times. Mel Gibson was the guest. Uh-huh. And he came out, and like, I don't really know what was happening before this. But he just kind of started. And I think he did this a lot. I guess, but it was the moment that I was like, oh, he's not cool anymore. Like, I don't like him. He's not he's now he's like because he just started like trying to it was like he was trying to do stand up. But he was like what's with closing time. That's on the radio all the time like routine at it seemed very much like he was like, I'm gonna do some comedy. And it was thinking totally bombing. And it was so uncomfortable for me that I can never forget it like I cannot on heard like so anyway, do you remember that at all? I mean, I've had more uncomfortable moments. So I guess talk about not remember. Things, but you know, bury them. Yeah. I mean, a lot of a lot of uncomfortable moments on that show, which was live. I particularly remember Tom Selleck and Rizzi getting into over the NRA famous super famous. I kind of remember that you know, Rosie wasn't. She wasn't. She was never not out as as a gay woman. But also, I don't think had really said as much at at, you know, for a so a lot of times a lot of these like super conservative guests would come on. And and I would always feel for her because I always would be like, this is live television. Like, if someone chose to like, just say, something or whatever, you know. So I'm probably I that's probably what I was focused on at the time. Like what his Mel Gibson like decides to lake so it could have been worse is what you're saying. Yeah. You know, I mean, we'll prince was prince was aghast a couple of times on the show. He wasn't super conservative. But he was just. An Matic and like would make anyone nervous. And so I was dying of nervousness like house. It's gonna go because he's like weird and not a great interview. And and so I was so nervous because I just wanted it to go well for myself. So that I could keep loving him the same way. And also, you know, like I was at Letterman when like Madonna said fuck thirteen times. And I just like watched that like slow motion train wreck. And you know, in in a weird way. So the the things that like stick in my mind or yeah. Are are probably not that. But I mean, this is because I happened to catch this probably, but it was like such an odd thing because he that guy Mel Gibson. Did he seem like he'd been drinking in retrospect, possibly, which is you know, the morning. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was more like younger people don't remember that. Mel Gibson was cool for most for the eighties nineties. And so to see him be like an old like kind of a kind of like an old dad who's just kind of out of it. And just kind of like just. Yeah. Just being kind of lame. I was like oh God. Live. And there's nothing you could do that. That's probably I didn't realize that show is live. That was probably those probably part of it. It was like maybe I'd never seen him. Maybe everything else. I was like heavily massage. Yeah. I mean, it was live. So Lord knows like a lot of weird things happened on the show, including. Yeah. Just like getting into a huge thing with Thompson told never forget. Yeah. But also like, you know, that's we're that's where I was on nine eleven with the cast of everybody loves, Raymond. You know? I mean, like when we were like are like we didn't know what it was. And like are we going to go on the air? We're not gonna go on the air. And I remember Peter Boyle being like, I'm not gonna go on the air. I was like, yeah. I think I'm not gonna do this show either. So, you know, live TV and thirty rock, you know, it's kind of and was again to the show cancelled that do the canceled forever. No, no. It was really weird. It was like the like are some executive was like go back to your desk. We're going to tell everybody what to do. And I was like my kids in the daycare. I'm gonna go get my kid. And so I went to go get my kid. And then Rosie's driver came in found me and was like Rosie wants you to meet her downstairs. She wants you to go to her house with her. And it was like, okay. And so I was kind of like that just seemed weird nice, but like unusual, and so I got in the car, and then she joined us in the car with one of her kids was with her. And she was like, you're not going to be able to get home to Brooklyn. So I'm just going to take you to my house, and she was like, plus, I don't want us freaking out because I know you're pregnant, and I was like how did you know that I'm pregnant and she was like well because you drink click dyke coke exclusively. And you haven't been drinking it for the past couple of weeks. So I was like, oh, she might be like a little bit of a magical witch or something. Yeah. That's what happened. That's my story. What is this? What happened? I remember a couple years ago, we had the TV special preempted a lot of other stuff. That was all I remember is. I was looking forward to an in depth conversation with the tire cast. Everybody's raymond. And I did not get it. I know you didn't get at. It was a bummer that morning is it not that day the terrorists one they did win. I didn't get to hear Brad GARRETT'S take on something. What did he get hurt? Joel gigolo Jimmy home. Good guy. I like. Yeah. I have not seen one second of that new show single parents, but any commercial I get a kick out of bread. Veniamin heard of it. That's how. Terron? What's his name? Taryn callum. Speaking of Senator live we've been raving about the last couple of weeks. Did anybody see Saturdays? I did. I didn't see it. But I read about it. What's up those kind of kind of amiss zero. I like not even a problem. Like I because it has ambit- over and over again ish. What do they keep doing this? That's it's so lazy to those like rap song video things like to stop doing it. Do you do it? Maybe last week was great. Yeah. It was. But like, it's it just feels like a crutch at this point. But they keep going back to it. But the the thing was Steve Carell is one of the funniest people ever. And so like, you think oh they've had a string of good episodes. Here comes guy we're going to the open it his his monologue was pretty good. I thought that was funny. I liked when he's like all right everybody come up here member. He's like, oh, not you maybe laugh. Yeah. There was a couple of the one at the near the end made me laugh a lot which one not the not the no the one that he's talking about does that the one I never. Went back and researched. But did something go wrong. It seemed like they had to bail that gun fell on the floor. And it seemed like they had to bail on some major part of dislike find a way out that happened twice. Didn't it? Didn't somebody's flow line in one of the other sketches? And they're like, yeah. Whatever. Yeah. I don't know if I caught that one. But yeah, I think there were two scotches that I liked the roster like whatever, I agree. I I feel like I got a candies. Remember when they were pull up Melissa sketches. And we'll do this right now. I son. To watch it. Yeah. I had a Steve Carell. It's going to be great. Now. Did he find any humor in? Or did you it was over? And he and he was like it goes that was really disappointing. I was offered this episode. Oh, that's the thing. You get your hopes up because he loves the office. I love soup girl, and I was excited to and and I just didn't take anything was funny at all. And that oh my God. That thing with Mikey day in the news just it may still be going on. Wait. What does he of the the the the sasquatch? There's Senator the SaaS sasquatch. I mean, one of the really good. Your son knuckle knowing that. He's eleven years old. I always I just think it's like Saturday live like, you you love it the most from when you were fourteen or fifteen you know, and it can never grew. It can never be matched again. Even if it's good. It's like not he'll look back on these years when he's older and think this is the best Saturday Night Live ever episode. She watches the classics in the enjoyed like he watched John Hamm second episode. Yeah. Over the weekend, we enjoyed that. What was your favorite SNL era? You know, I was in early. And so for years, I would tell you the original cast in retrospect that was swinging amiss. I then I started stand up. So I kind of wasn't in the world anymore. So, but I think if I look back at the Phil Hartmann, yours probably were great. The the Martin short years. Maybe those over. I don't know obviously, the Terry Sweeney years. I think the new cast is great. I think up until this episode. I think that this year has been terrific Reading's been really good. Yeah. It's almost like they didn't think to do that this week. What's your favorite fence? Yeah. Phil hartmann. I love. I love Phil Hartmann so much, and yeah, I I mean, it's funny. How people call it that I say that all the time to at the time. No one would have called it the Phil Hartmann era, then they would've called it. The Dana Carvey arrow who the key wasn't the star. But he was the best thing in almost every facilitating so much funny in that show. And I also really love the weird like one off years when people that probably shouldn't have been in the cast were in the cast their Silverman. Gene. Chris rock, I love. I love Michael Anthony or Anthony, Michael hall and rubber dungeon. Yeah. Robert. Yeah. I mean, it's I I like those. Risky choices. And yeah, I've loved Janine on SNL. I am the one. I don't remember her. I remember that she was on it. I and I watched every episode. I don't remember what she did though. Do you remember like sketches, I? I know she must have done. Yeah. He says, right? Seems like that's how they would've used her. Yeah. And like not digital shorts. But like tape, I don't know. I just love Janine also Julia Sweeney, and Jan hooks might what my wife loves those to lift Jan hooks. I love Julius media so much. I just think she's like she should be a billion times more famous than she is. She's amazing and inspiring. But yeah, all those all these like cool, ladies that didn't really get to do so much because that wasn't the thing then, but yeah. But I just have a theory that like you just love it best. Whatever happened when you were fourteen. I'm that way with SETV is like, yeah, I was like fourteen or whatever nights watching that. And that was twelve or thirteen and so I remember that being much better than it is right, right? And boy there's a lot of downtime on that like Oliver. We gotta watch the sketch and I watched like Google blue. For thirty years. I've been raving about this sketch. It's nothing it's everything's like that like I went back in, you know, everything you try to go back and show your kids. Like, I remember being like, oh, let's watch this movie. The bad news bears that I watched when I was a kid, and I was just like no slow motion trying. This is not good. It doesn't hold up starry bears. No, not for me. I mean, I think in a lot of ways. But I just think it's like not there's so many things about it that are genuinely terrible that you it's problematic so problematic that it's just like leads you down. All these like roads that you don't need to go down. You know? Well, I feel like my favorite movie of all time was trading places, and that's pretty relevant. Yeah. Yeah. But I just yeah. It's frozen in time for me is like this sort of perfect comedy movie. That's such a wealth. The plot is so. Titan. Perfect. And then just two guys being. So you might say Denver is not not the greatest. But I'd Eddie Murphy doing the greatest. Almost every movie. He's in Janis is great in that movie. And Jamie Lee Curtis was great in it. And Denholm Elliott is great in it. Everyone's great. It's kind of wild. It's almost like someone should write a paper or write a book about like what is safe from like are growing up too. I remember my son calling me he was like, it's, you know, staying at my mom's house, and like text me like I'm gonna watch revenge of the nerds. And I was like, okay. You know? And then he was like like he called and was like, do you have a minute to talk it. He was disturbed really stream. And he was like to Jere. You just went and watched this. This was okay. And I'm like, yeah. That was like pretty normal that like, yeah. The. He was like a rate though that. Yeah, that's victory. Yeah. That's like. Yeah. The nerd guys win they got to rape believe. He and my son was like, I'm genuinely sick to my stomach, and I'm so upset that I watched this. And I was just like, well, I guess. Yeah. That you can see why we're all kinda fucked up. And the fact that you're sick to your stomach. I guess gives me a little hope for the future or man up. How about that the other way? The other way focus in kid focus in on. Yeah. I mean, listen great rap song though. It wasn't good. Something is a good. Yeah. Yeah. We watched the blues brothers over the weekend. And the first viewing for all of our for ES in anything. I'm sorry dead. Just don't I don't. I don't see it the way you do. Oh, yeah. I felt that when you guys didn't let clue. Oh, you're wrong. Here we go. Funding. Moving not one Casey, not one you've pushed my buttons. Now, this this isn't the medicine talking any more. I think this is like, you know, it's, you know, men are from Mars. He loves it in women are from well from clue. I don't know. It was funny to me. But then again, I was like probably ten when I saw it. Okay. Then they allow it. That's the thing. I somehow didn't see it as a kid. And now, I still haven't seen it. But my wife loves it. I I know a lot of people who love it. What did you like when you were a kid that does hold up like I still think Johnny dangerously is so much movies? Mommy. Do you think? It's funny. Yes thing I haven't watched it since I was a kid, but I loved it as a kid. I surprised if you're telling me to hold up. I would be surprised to hear that I've ever seen that. That's Michael Keaton. Right. Yeah. Right. I wonder if I don't I'm like, well, whatever it is is I guess that would be my guess is how you would would view it. I do seen originally. What's that died? Johnny dangerous and they've been years, but you have you seen it recently? Yeah. Every watched okay? Within the last decade enjoyed it. You laughed. I still laughed. I'm sure it is probably also problematic. I think like airplane. I bet holds up. I feel like that watch that with Oliver. We loved it. I feel like it's a secret gun did not hold up. Yeah. That's interesting police academy. I doubt that I loved it. I remember my dad took me to it. That's when you were talking about ruins the nurse. I thought about that movie because it's not really it's kind of inappropriate there's blowjob jokes and stuff. And so. Everything. Ten. It's crazy. What we're our parents. Do. We don't know. I watched trading places. There's boobs in it. And I watched it when I was eleven so when when prince died other than like like, my really close friends being like, are you? Okay. Like like, sincerely, okay? But I was amazed at how many people in sort of my peer group had the same story about like when purple rain came out, all of our dads like took us to see it on a visitation. Everyone's parents were divorced in nineteen eighty four and all of our dads were like, you know, trying to be cool dad's into Z, purple rain. And it's so inappropriate. So that's like my enduring memory of like, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. Even though don't ask me about not liking, purple rain. I know your comments already. But I just remember being like, oh my God. Like, I just wanted to unzip my skin and. I do think that's an important right of passage to be super uncomfortable. Watching something with your parents like I'd rather that than they just see it on their own like I want my kids to be like, look good. Look at. But I don't even think my kids are old enough to feel that way about something like the. What was there was a sketch on? In the but it was show me your titties. What what what would it have been couldn't be SNL? No, no. I do. I think it was. It was like a Pete Davidson think or something. And and I was like oh bully. And then I go do you know, what that word means? All because I don't okay, we're good. All right. Cool. Good. We'll get watching. They've been kicking up the language on SNL lately. Like, they're dropping some Jesus Christ as God dams. All right. And you as a religious man, you don't care for obviously. I know you're cloth. Suns put on the Tim and Eric movie in front of my mom, and they like it's like how many years ago did that come out? They still can't get over it. Like, they they even just it's one of those things like just the memory of having done it and until like sit through with their grandmother. It's a weird. Oh that movie. It's. It's it wasn't great race. There's still trying to manage their feelings over the day that happen. All right. Let's take another break. Now euro canton. I'm good. All right. Well, they there. I remember. Are there? I remember. Hey, guys, Matt here with some dates for you Casey Saint on just on Twitter at Casey, that's C A I S S I E and the show that she is the executive producer of is called the busy tonight. And it's on E Sunday through Wednesday. Check, it out busy Phillips is awesome. And you should watch your show and Casey's awesome to Jimmy Carter. 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And so now, they're they're at the as we speak weren't they go for three days. They wind up to the air fucking business. Clear that Cam. Oh, it's nice. Yeah. I mean, there's a little bit of smoke from the paradise virus? But is. The big middle finger camp flag. Yeah. So he's the Reagan. I hope he's all right. Thank you. Casey. I he is obviously we'll be like did he get bit by zombie was that if only guess anything I'm going to say some sort of food related virus the practices that he told me about didn't seem all that hygenic. Discussed food practices that they were handling the food. That's that's the part of has a lot of food handling talking. Did you have the talk? Yes. Yes. Glad I could be crop for you guys cook birds and the bees. Abuse. Talk about the cook. News. The flow cases on jobs are is not the case that you're in your maiden name. Or is it your married name? Is it a made up name a lot of people think it's made up. I think Tina Fey made a joke that it's a made up name. But it's just my name that I just got when I was a little baby. So your parents are Mr. MRs Saint on. They were it's very DJ. It's a very DJ name. It's very DJ name re radio deejays. I was gonna say. Cases it onto the board. I drop in the beat on the on time. Yeah. So that's my railing. Right. Don't wear it out. Yard. You have actually spent a lot of time on it. I think it's a great show. Andy Cohen says you couldn't remember your name. I find that to be insane. Because it's I will never forget. That's nice. I feel like I feel like people either. Really remember it and use the full name or people like the neighbors that I lived across the street from my whole life growing up never said my correct name ones. What would they say Kelly Tracy lacy? Really? Yeah. Wow. You know? Invested at all. We're really weren't. But also, you don't like them either. Yeah. I mean, it's fine. I've not kept in touch. You know, we certainly have not got the growth either. So she's very very well. All right. Let's check in back there with the captain. Kevin clunk Elliott Hct doll. I I'm all right. Matt alluded to and I'm going to I'm going to, you know, air it out because I figured out what's going on. Thank you for not actually at the moment. When I was having my little fit earlier telling me, what happened apparently in fixing Twenty-three n I uploaded it into the twenty three fourteen slot and didn't realize that. And then Matt very helpfully pointed to our backup link which I then switched back to the wrong link then Matt fixed it again. And that was the thing. He didn't mention that was I appreciate your wisdom. That's right. Because you came in here, you melt it down. Well, I thought I was fine. And then I realized that I got the wrong time because this was the day that we were supposed to be here earlier. And I was it's correct. Finding out that you were late when you actually thought you were early or on time was the straw. Like it was like the. Yeah. Like, not even not really fuck shooting me and you like slam your keys on the Niger. Guide to do that. When I when I came in. I was like, hey, you know, what? Because I I I didn't take a full shower. So that I would make sure I'd have enough time to do the stuff. Shower. Horseback. What I what I normally do is. I will take a long shower like a ten minute shower, and I will condition my hair, and I will brush it and all these I didn't do that. I just ran water over me and used the bar soap. Yeah. Yeah. So you took a shower I took regular shower. Not what I would call a full out of Hollywood shower. Sure, that's the cut. That's what they call it. In the navy shower. Oh, I take a long shower do appropriate. Appropr- up ten minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe not quite I know I like it one ten minutes along shower that. Fills nor time then you need to check of way. You gotta get done in there. But what are you doing in there? Well, you got to like shave your legs if you're a lady pits. If you're a lady, I do this like I have a face scrubber, that's timed like ninety seconds. Yeah. So I don't think I'm taking much more than a ten minute shower, which is weird because a bunch of guys are like taking a ten minute shower. Do you wash your legs? That's I just stand there. Run over me. He remembers his time you listen to music. I don't do. You just think your thoughts? I do. Sometimes I sing in high school. I would always listen to music in the shower. Very important now Oliver does he listens to music, but I I don't out. Do you need a chair in there? Chair in there. That'll be the day. You have to get one of those like special Bill chairs. Yes. Stool type three puts surgical. You want any one of those where you have to open the door. It was like a sports car. One of those too. What I wanted to open up like a wing oriented Orientale. Awesome through a true nerd also want e if and I'll have to buy a new house to do this. I want one of those electric chairs at least we have the scares. As we have the scares. Even the commercial looks like God just walk it by the time. This thing gets you up there. You could have crawled up those fucking stairs. I wanna combine that with a spiral staircase that seems like it'd be fun. Yeah. Yeah. Some great ideas different shark tank. Shark tank is back. You know that right? I saw a little bit of it last night. We got do new shark whose new this is interesting. I first time ever a previous guy who walked into the room as a guy is now a shark. He turned them down because in the room and ended up being the guy who invented ring the ring doorbell. Oh, George tank and remember that and he didn't like their deals, which is smart. I think most of the time you should not take their. They're not good deals. Right. But he made it a work sold it to Amazon for a billion dollars. So that company for a billion dollars? And now he's back as a shark, and I thought that was cool. What he replaced Damon Damon saw there? We'll play just rotate. Who was he's filling in for. I don't know. I don't was on that one. I think it was Boston wonderful Novus wonder what was there? He was he was missing from one recently, Mr. wonderful, then Cuban was in that middle seat. No interesting. It back to the end Cuban Cuban. I don't like you run on the show may also have the basketball player. Charles barclays. I enjoyed him. He was good. He was I know what he's smart he's smarter than I would have guessed. He would be based on what I've seen is. You're racist. Based on Kanaan's impression of him. Savell? You know, what bothers me about that episode is at the editor's left. This in Mr. wonderful turns to Charles Berkeley and goes. You really funny, dude. And he does it in such a condescending way you're the arbiter of comedy you win bag. Also like he's been known to be right for twenty years saving. Oliver was like wow says. Yeah. Like, he's won Emmys for be for the post game show on TNT where their whole thing is that they're funny L. Yeah. Yeah. But Mr. wonderful, so annoying. I don't know if you're aware ridiculous. It's like when your buddy to fade till Jon Hamm. He was funny. He's been hearing it for years for me. Wow. Vegas all the credit? I well your body. That's your buddy your, buddy. She she. She's my boss. But John him is so funny and best hugger in the United States of America. I'd have to hug him like one time ten years ago. And I'm still thinking about it. Yeah. You know, better than John ham hill, Jack. Hans a good hugger because you got to you you ever. She get Gibb you have to have strong upper body. You don't think Jack has that that word sounds Gibb? Yeah. It just sounds. The cut of it. For some reason to beat that your that's your Michigan bring it. Maybe it could very well be years of of history courts that whatever you put in your hair is sinking in your brain. Skin, guys. Well, thank you. I want it all that color. I I don't I like this part. There's two strips here. It didn't take don't like those each bleach. We did not take. So it didn't again, you have a hair style is on retainer. I think you know, what I'm retainer means. What did he is sitting this for humor? I know. And I was saying why are you are you clunking it up in front of Casey. I don't know you be the judge of that. You are. The judges have spoken. I believed my hair as well. And sometimes it just doesn't take the color out of your hair. I don't know didn't lift this round didn't lift spots. Like you need to go with like a stronger developer, maybe next time. But you have to be careful because that shit will melt your head off. What about your head off your like your skill? It will really intrigue you for real most. Careful, you know, at least Bleacher do not. Do not because of that. And she has very sensitive skin and her whole like her scalp was very red afterwards. It was it was that during the late nineties when when everyone's doing that. Yes. Exactly. What does she go? And Pat did that as well. Both showed up to a party with their hair. Mhm? Bleached that I panic or is this something I should do as well went and sat down at Dino's. Like, you don't want. I think you're right. Okay. You're you're you perform on stages. You can't sodas might have an entertainer. Yeah. But also, your persona doesn't really fit about by the way walking mess for that reason is not the greatest tore name because of that. I don't know if it's fits this onstage persona. We're trying to name his tour next year. And we thought walking mess. It would be funny. I think it's perfect. Doc and mess. I think it's, but I don't I don't know. The I don't think that's accurate for the stand up persona. I guess if you don't know Jimmy at all Ann Lewis. It's a little. Good for the different. If you do another never funny tour, then enough walking mess to Woodward. But he's not walking how many years, but he doesn't. He doesn't own it. Like I do. I have to my buddies breaking down. Tiny slowly breaking down. What musical comes up on the show a lot guys. That sounds like you're doing your. Making down les? Mis no veto Sunday's tavita. See that's the thing. I knew it was from your character does not many. You were doing your mandate by Bob gutten, Jonathan Pryce, depending if you're talking broker case for the motion picture kid. You don't like Evita. That's what I just saw. It recently at the Westport playhouse in Connecticut. It was fine. There's really no it was great award winning writer nonsense. It was fine. I would imagine you have some sort of daytime EMMY. Did you work for Nancy Leshner over? Donald not only did we work together. We lived in the same building. So we took a taxicab to and from good day for so many years. Yeah. The first time that my first day at Rizzi this guy kept coming up to me. And was like you look so familiar to me, I think I know you from somewhere, and I was like, oh, no. And then he was like I got it in my building one night. I saw you in the elevator and you had a Letterman like late show with David Letterman jacket on. And I was like, hey, do you work for Dave Letterman, and you were so rude to me. I was like I don't I don't have any memory of this. And he was like it was like four thirty in the morning. And Hubert drunk. I was like Amitai you're gonna probably attack me. How about probably that's I've tried to get off the elevator ever conversation with you. But we were great friends. He's a wonderful, man. Yeah. Yeah. He's a sweet guy one of my favorite things about him. What made me decide that? I loved him so much is that one time we came home to our apartment building her apartment building was on fire and his wife was like hysterical because their dog was in the their apartment. It was like a high-rise building. So it wasn't like, you know. But he I just remember him. Like somehow talking the firefighters until like letting him run up to like really twenty-something floors dog or whatever. And I just remember him like running up and like coming back surprisingly fast, but their dog, and then we just had a conversation about how he was a marathoner, and whatever, but I just thought that that was sweet that he risked his life to get his wife's dog, we think it's. Think it's mispronounced the word stupid. Also stupid. But sweet. Wow. Yeah. I would they allow them do that. I don't know because it's like New York City. They don't give a shit, you know, like where we're nowhere near. Yeah. It was like I think just probably wasn't that huge of an issue. Everything catches on fire like twice a week in New York City, thirty dot com. Fire every week when there is up Conan's studio burned down we have to all work at Starbucks one time, Andy I was with Andy Lasser, we came out of thirty rock, and we were like something smells delicious. What is that in the security guards at TGI Fridays? Exploded. But that would smoke is. Like fridays. We go there on a regular basis family and not go to the Magic's one we go to magic. Yeah. So anymore. Okay. Zoe is obsessed with that place. And I don't know why she's never been there. But she's like, oh, can we there's no there's not one nearest at all. You know, what the the menu has everything one of those and most of the stuff pretty good nachos. They're phenomenal. No nice to love when I lived in Boston. Yeah. I went there. Yeah. Went to school there. Let's school Merson. All right. He he's coming to Boston the spring time name. She said, no, they the artist's name the artist remember tired down. It's like you're on my way. It's it's the guy. I hate not not. I was not is it the BG's no group of stuff sing that song. Well, it's a cover them. Who does REBA? We put his not seeing that. She does not sing please come to Boston. I don't know her retire catalog. Maybe she doesn't maybe did a cover. Why is it so hard to? Thirty eight doesn't. Yeah. Dave loggins. We're looking for Dave. Log lesser logging. Unless you're logging. Yeah. Not ken. Dave loggins. I love that Kenny Loggins so much. Did you ever watch? Like the behind the scenes, we are the world video how he just looks like he's the only person that knows what the bug is there? And like he looks so put out. No, it's it's amazing. It made me kind of not like him because it it gonna like he looked to be enjoying any of it from what I hear. It was like kind of like a weird scene. It was late at night. And they really put a lot of pressure on everybody to do it. And not everybody wanted to do it. But I just love how like impatient. He looks like these jerks like he's a pro. He's like dang this out. And then on my way, home to pancakes, or whatever and everyone else just making it take a million years. It makes me laugh. It does seem like it was kind of like the little stories you hear about like. Oh, yeah. We just went grab this guy. Like, it was kind of for such a big deal. It was kind of thrown together maybe a little bit like he was planned out. But they had to do it like in the middle of the night because they didn't want any paparazzi. They didn't want to bother. These people's to come with the morning Brian the AM studios right there on. Yeah. I want to say it's not the Henson studios that were there. Yeah. I need to apologize. You're thinking of who's ever in New England style also thinking of that. But she also thinks his home that's called please come into Boston. But it's not that's not know your REBA inviting people to ball go back to. Reba town. She become obsessed with the New England area for the while. Did you know it? Well, she had two songs. New England's through with you. That's our that goes a little bit. Yeah. You know? It's weird about rebound. When she was Colonel Sanders that was weird for that many of the half. What does that happen? I don't know. That's weird or then her inviting people to both now, it's what you smell exander. Right. Is that who's now Dow there's also one that's just a voice over great. But who is it? Oh is the voice over got Armie hammer. You think it's Armie hammer. Did you see last week tonight? You I did. I guess it was like that manages good. Yeah. Yeah. It is John Oliver bullied. They nail it. I love John Oliver. No, you've you've worked with him. Have you know, I haven't I have a lot of friends that work on that show. And a lot of friends that worked with them on the daily show. I I don't know. I just like my like his wife. She's super cool. It is. Yeah. Yeah. She's super super cool. But I just met them through like she's a big housewives fan real housewives fan. So he would come on watch. What happens live and asked to be on with specific housewives because would like entertain his wife. So yeah. So that's how I know them just a little bit through meeting them. Thereby I love John his great. Seems I'll she's one of our best English talk show hosts in the United States. Piers morgan. James corden. Oh, so then. Yes. So yes. Yeah. Yeah. I love say this about. I say this about. John aubrey? I don't think there's a better prompt or reader in this business. I mean he this week. He finally flubbed flubbed a little bit. And it made me realize I was like, maybe the first, oh, it might be the first time. Yeah. But maybe it wasn't as fault. Maybe it was the teleprompter operator. Somebody got fired today. So I don't know. I'm just saying it could be someone trying sabotage him. It could be just, you know. Maybe there was a sub that day just saying it wasn't definitely one hundred percent his fault debut the histories on his side. That's what I'm saying. Very good at it. Very very good at and it talking face like. Face like. With information and words, and timing and jokes hit a way that feels very organic off the top. Yes, he's very good. He's talented guy Dareen on. Well, he take our jobs. Yes. He made a joke last night that he that. He was never accepted as a comedian, which I thought was interesting. Maybe it was just he was saying for humor. But Theresa May said that there was going to be a smooth transition in Brexit and like to parliament and like basically, everyone laughed in her face. And he said something like, oh must be nice to get a laugh in England. I don't know what that feels like. And I was like, oh, well, that's crazy. If that's true. That's kind of bizarre. Bizarre. Interesting. I don't I don't know. I don't know about him ever performing it. Yeah. I don't even. I don't know what he did there before he came. I I knew he had that podcast with. We did what what it was. It was going even after he was on daily show like he was in America. But he kept doing it with Zolt men like name Andrews Saltzman or say, someone Volkmann. I'm always fascinated by who comes here. And who goes there to try to make people give up I worked a little bit for Graham Norton who tried to come here and be a huge star. And we run interested not not accepting toward Graham Norton. But then I also worked on a couple of UK projects with them, and he became a huge huge star there. So I guess our loss I dunno or not we can see him to refine. Yeah. We can watch him no matter where but he's amazing. I just think he was like ahead of his time a little bit. What are some like? It was Dave hill. One of those people who is like an American who went in there and was successful. That's why we thought Dave hill was I thought he was from there. Yeah. He had like a show there. But I don't know if it was big or not you're not at Twitter anymore. He's doing thing. About your mother your mother everything's if somebody and people are getting getting so everything is like, hey, speaking of holes, I got predict your pubs right now. Like, that's the basis. Still funny. Insult childishly. It's so funny, and he is the nicest man, he's such a sweetheart and it so everybody makes me funny when he goes so hard in the paint. Gets people really really worked up. But that's great. I see. Oh, go good. Dave pills. Updates. Danny's like, it's not like, you can't even you. He's like doing science like he's just scientifically making people pushing people's buttons. So you can't like I just want to be like don't take it personally. He's just doing he's making a scientific reaction in you're in it. I just read one in it, maybe which one is somebody said, that's what I thought just another brain dead dork telling a man that has ten billion times is better. What to do whacky day? Phil says I just poked your mom ten billion. It's perfect. Oh. So funny. His caroline. I'm not gonna say it was why don't you have a nice one way trip to Canada, Mexico rude disrespectful person. Dave hill right now, I'm enjoying a nice one way trip inside your mom. So. Great. He's a good follow. It. He's the darling on Twitter as well. Wonderful on as well. That's nice of you are wonderful on there. I am a fan. Thank you. Why this happened? Thank you, welcome. But can I tell everybody that you almost didn't have me on because I said whatevs and a DM we've got real. Get worked up about it. I told you that it was it would cost you your parents. I said what I didn't even say whatevs dot org. Which is usually what I would say. But I was in a rush. And I just what is and Jimmy did not like, and I'm going to not on my watch. No, ma'am. No, ma'am. I was like any really let me like you. Let me live in it for a couple of days. So you wait, you were okay. Now award. Award. I was like he was like you said whatevs this is over we can't be friends anymore. And that was like understood. And then I thought it'd be like JK. Well, w also hate JK assume, you're professional, you know, that I'm being silly probably like J and then like no contact he went and no contact for forty eight hours. And I was like oh, man. I'm meant it was I'm sad to say I have said to say that your use of whatevs has ended any possibility. Thank you. Thank you for your time tonight, though, she wrote one hundred hundred percent understand. And then yes, five days went by. Okay. That does seem like there's been some followup like not not. I assume show rudder of comedy program. It's not not let her off the hook. But just some sort of no reaction. Listen, I got so many podcasts irons in the fire. I was a worrying about I was like he if he really needs me he'll get back in touch. I think that Steve brought us back together. Steve the stage managed to bring us back together. I would I'm on this. He was like don't she doesn't say whatever all the time. I will tell you Steve do get involved. But but not because he just mentioned like, maybe he told me some cute stories about you guys. But we do like, yeah. You went backstage. The Paul young. Weird. It was it was the most uncomfortable. I haven't been in the history of the in show business. I was laughing so hard what he was telling me that story we just walked right into stress you. Was the most uncomfortable and know these worked on Conan for close to sleep by his job to walk in people's dressing rooms and me like come on. And I, but it was like it was just so bizarre. The way that we just clump up these stairs. And there we are no knocking on a door. Like, we were in the room to send their and nobody wanted us in that room was awful and trying to convince that we're supposed to know. We're supposed to be here. Even though if somebody do that to my Trishul, even comedy club get the fuck outta here. I don't care that my manager said it was cool. I don't know you get out. It's my most hated thing. Just like you feel like you should when someone's like come back come up come back come back stage. Whatever you feel like you should every time. Because like what if something amazing and Rockstars happens back there it never does. It never does. And it's always weird. And even when like the performers like a genuine friend of mine, it's always because they're like sweaty and disoriented and these. Like one eat a banana, whatever it's. Yeah. Nothing good ever happens backstage. That's as the title of your book. See one what a good book your history in this business. Maybe I gotta wait till everyone dies. I that is that do you think? So. I feel bad because I got the Letterman biography that came out I was interviewed for that. Everybody was interviewed for that. And I think I just didn't give that guy like any of the stuff that he wanted. I got a Turkey burger out of it. But I felt bad. And I realized that I'm not like a I'm not like a super tell all like, I think I'd issue told some minor some minor things, but that weren't juicy enough to really make them into the book. And then I was like, well, I guess like I'm loyal to that person that I don't really talk to or ever work with or whatever. But but then I guess that's why I was good at what I did. You be good spin. I'll take it to the grave trying to play sevens. Yeah. We gotta go. The theme here. This will this this news story with just popped up on my phone. We'll make you never want to go into a building again, earning Moran. One now elevator at one of Chicago's tallest skyscrapers plunges. Eighty four floors after cable breaks the supposed to happen. It's like breaks down. What happened to the people? Turn it refined drop early Friday when I guess this one of the seven Friday is the first we're hearing about it, including a pregnant woman. Oh god. Jesus does. She got people have gotten to know bitter on the ninety fifth floor, formerly known as the John Hancock center. Revisit building beginning to believe we were going to die. We're going down. And then I felt like we were falling down. And then I heard a noise Clack Clack locker where black. I knew something wasn't. Okay. All right. What are this one of the civil cables? Holding elevator had broken in the car fell rapidly landing somewhere near the eleventh. Lord, no one was injured. So the systems worked injure those inside had to wait hours for firefighters to break. Wall more than ten stories above the ground. It was a precarious situation where we had the cable break on top of the elevator. And we couldn't do. An elevator elevator rescue. I'm presuming that there we see all those, you know, spy shows, whatever where they talk about like they're going to do something to an elevator. But then they've got to overcome the emergency brakes. Yeah. So there's probably a system where it starts slowing it down. It's probably the Clack Clack that they heard and then eventually came to a stop thankfully on the eleventh floor rather than the minus second floor. Nobody got hurt that pregnant lady during that fall that baby. Was you you as a mother probably got more up in there. But it's going to be a skydiver. I tell you maybe maybe until his foot came out of her mouth. That's Gary, Karen. That's what I was getting at. Thank you for. Yeah. Come on Garin. That's not here. I know I got to go to pushes back down. You you're supposed to turn your phone onto to open sevens. Why was suddenly there? A news story in pie back pressed the wrong button. The case you play you in close seven spatially pyramid. Okay. I'm gonna give you clues to guess what? I'm describing. Okay. You have the following categories to choose from you only have seven seconds to get each one. Oh, God, you have movies TV shows celebrities music Broadway. The seventies the eighties nineties, the two thousands. Does her just generic of the decade? And then musically if the seventies music it. He's meeting nineties music two thousand music, stand ups superheroes movies action movies com movies comedy movies award winners. The eighties eighties decade or eighties music decade. Like me to here, we go eighties decayed. Here we go. You're ready. I'm gonna give you clues. You have to put them describing. Here we go. You don't seem confident. Here we go. Here we go. Here comes ready. Brat pack movie. Demi Moore's in a almost another the the Sheen's they were western. Young. Yes, freddie. He's gonna come and get you nightmare announced. Yes. I've musical parody dragged. My rob Reiner. Oh, this one goes eleven that movie. Oh, spinal tap next one. This is a cart movie based on a cartoon about a kid. That has a lot of money, right? Yes. We wore these the on our legs like a noble full full slacks, but they were made a specific gamut nNcholas cage movie, Deborah forms. Also in based this part of the of the city God for clues on my part, parachute, pants, parachute, pants pants, horrible, close spinal. Have you got the too late availa girl, you got too late nine, but I'm gonna blame me that's kind of wouldn't asthma. I'm gonna blame. It's probably surely to blame it on the breath. Boy, I stunk. Those are on me. I think we do. All right. No. We didn't eighties were longtime ago. That's true. High on pills. True. Nine was the. For the for the billboard the billboard. By the way. There's a new link to go to there. It's just called never not sevens dot com. If you want to peruse all the stats for seven s or SAVE NS has worse at sevens. John Ross Bowie Jono Mindy, sterling, many, sterling, and then the effort mention CC Pleasants. And then but rarely Diane Franklin Franklin was zero. Yeah, it was literally versus. Yeah. Well, we're clues. We're like, oh, this guy's an actor. He's handsome. Jack, Jack he's behind. You know, it's not yet asked you have is the key. Casey. Thank you for being here. Thanks for joining me such a pleasure to meet all of you. And I'm so happy you didn't pass away. Right. We got through it. Okay. What it was like nine twelve. It was fine. Yeah. Started out rough. We got through it. I'll be of the bucket. It watched. The busy villa show on e Sunday through Wednesday, ten o'clock on E. And just look at the way that that show is stage managed, I mean, you will not see a better managed state gym work in the stage management topnotch direction, the EPA on that. It's a lot going down. The bronze the pros. I got to see lady jump up and down in brassieres, and you were complaining about it. I said that we should have been longer. I did say he has more. More likely. I'll be how the pop he's looking over there. There's a silver FOX that's Garin Cochran captain back. 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Episode 488: Poltergeist (1982)

The Projection Booth Podcast

5:14:30 hr | 8 months ago

Episode 488: Poltergeist (1982)

"Christopher media. Let's make some noise. Is. People pay good money to see movie when they go out to a theater they close sodas of popcorn in no masters in the projection booth everyone pretend podcasting is boring. AL's. From Steven Spielberg. Director, of close encounters of the third kind. Poltergeist. Contrary to popular superstation. PONTING's and public incidents do not necessarily occur in Old Dhaka abandoned mansions. They can occur anytime anyplace. The House looks just like the one next to it. and. The one next to that. The one next to that. And yet it's special. It is inhabited by a young couple. Their three children. And something more. Poltergeist is a German word geist meaning ghost poulter meaning poltergeist is a noisy ghost or noisy spirit. There's no simple answer as to why these phenomena occur. At first. Like a child. It's simply wanted attention. It I people are just puzzled by the phenomenon. Soon, it became inquisitive. Experimental Mischievous Furniture tablets ova objects fly around by themselves vases maybe shattered fires may spontaneously break out most of the time there's a particular person that the events seemed to focus around. It grew listens. The initial outbreak will terrify the family and it became frustrated. They saw typically violence hostile apparitions have been reported. It can be violent. Vicious and destructive. And now It's focus is clear as of yet we we don't know how to control them. It's poor is revealed. And the Games. Off over. Next, summer. The unknown will be revealed. Visible? Will. Be. Seen. Poltergeist. THE FIRST REAL GHOST STORY Who? Welcome to the projection booth I'm your host, Mike White joining me once again is Ms Christine Makepeace. Glow. Good to be that also back in the booth this Mr. Vincenzo. Natali. We kick off show to import retorted with a look at Toby nineteen, eighty, two film poltergeist. It's the story of a suburban family be set by supernatural forces. If you've not seen poltergeist its remake or at sequels, please turn off the podcast and come back after you have. We plan on spoiling everything. So Christine Win was the first time USA poltergeist and what did you think I was much too young. Not to give away too much. But I am the same age poltergeist. So it was kind of always on when I was young and it terrified me I. Know you think you just said we're spoiling but the specific face ripping seen that haunted me for a very long time I will tell you I've never actually seen the face ripping scene because I turn away every single time. It starts off goofy but it gets real and it's it's hard to watch. So I respect that decision. Yeah. The probably the only time I saw it was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two when the film I came out and like you I was too young. I was ten years old when I saw it Vincente how about you? When did you first see it and once you think I'm the old man in the room so I was thirteen Oh. God. You're ancient. Yeah and I saw opening day at the Eglington Theater I remember well, which is was a beautiful theater here in Toronto that no longer exists it was A wonderful moment that was people spoken endlessly about it was an amazing summer for movies. It, kind of hit me at the moment when I was truly in love with film and it was magical time to be thirteen years old it was just one near experience after another I guess maybe poltergeist was the first time that I saw that summer I think it preceded et's opening and I probably sought before of con- probably kicked off the summer of eighty. Two for me. So a very significant experience, this open June fourth. So what have been right around the time school was leading out I think this and Andy t were coming out I think what? Two weeks apart from each other and me being ten years old I felt like I was a little too old for et but a little too young for poltergeist but. I still went and saw them probably multiple times but Poltergeist, oh. My God yeah. I think ten years oldest is too young for this movie at least for my fragile little self I was really scared out of my wits with a lot of it. It still packs a punch even all these years later this pg back when PG was a lot easier to get. There was no PG thirteen yet. We're GONNA have to wait a couple more summers and a couple other either Steven Spielberg directed or produced films between Gremlins and Temple of doom so that we would get the PG thirteen after all the up cry about that. But here in nineteen eighty two, we were safely ensconced and poltergeist ice manages to get a PG rating surprise surprise. They put little Robbie and the taxi cab incentive off without any kind of supervision. That's just how things worked in those days. Well, he did have e- buzz with him. I wanted to talk a little bit about haunted house narratives in just how prevalent they were and still are just feels like right now huntings like looking at things like that Annabel and the What is the? It's part of what the conjuring is that the universe that these are all part of I mean all of this stuff going to see these movies now it's like, okay I, feel like I've already seen this stuff. You know when I was ten years old nothing is really impressing me too much but I could just be super jaded. No, I don't think that it all because you're right the still feels fresh it. It manages to I don't know how every hunting movie doesn't try to. Steal this narrative but it still every time you watch it the beats feel fresh at least to me and there are still parts Reichel like Oh. Yeah. This is how it escalates. That's cool. Because don't feel like everything approaches huntings in that interesting of way, it's an interesting moment I feel like nine, hundred, eighty, two being sort of early Reagan years in our in the trump nightmare there's a weird during going on culturally and so that Stephen King who was. kind of dormant for many years surged back and I'm convinced that that is directly related to trump and in a similar way I feel like although not nearly as an extreme example, the early Reagan years also inspired a certain flavor of American horror in. So perhaps that's why when you watch poltergeist now really strikes a chord of Turrell talking about the remake, but it was interesting watching because it really feels like all the poltergeist domes kind of track the American psyche. As it's evolved your devolve over the years when a movie starts off with the Star spangled banner nothing unscreened and just the Star spangled banner on the soundtrack. It's like I don't think I'm reading too much into it to try to look this film as a picture of what the American dream was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, two, it just feels like it's calling out to me like, Hey, look at me and socio political terms. And then when you have stephen the Criti- Nelson character reading a book about Reagan while his wife is smoking dope over on the on the bed and I'm just like, okay, was this before they know or after to say, no, I know that for sure the drug war was going on at this point. Just really seems to be speaking to me about. Capitalism and the way that you know Stephen is this kind of a big shot in his company that he has sold forty two percent of the homes that are in this quest Verde place. But maybe things aren't as pleasant as they appear on the surface especially when you're there, knowing of all the things that are under the ground that are going to start popping up and it just feels like. Okay this is such a a a an early reaganism type of picture I completely agree with you. Yeah. You get the impression that they were hippies to some degree and now they've sold out and here they are they're fabulous suburban home and everything's great. But of course, it's not additive this that's the case or not. But I feel like that's the first time I ever saw that spoken of movie. Afterwards. There was the big chill. Blake secaucus afterwards or these movies about radical leftist hippies who sold out. In the eighties but I don't think there was anything like that. Before poltergeist I never picked up on this before but watching it the last time I didn't put to into together or sixteen in Sixteen when Stephen is telling the ghostbusters, he's just like, Oh yeah, my wife is thirty one, no, eight, thirty, two my oldest daughter is sixteen I'm like, oh. Okay. So you guys got together when you were pretty young it. Seems like there's a lot of history going on with this couple, but they seem to be okay about it like as opposed to other couples who had to get married because of teenage pregnancy, and then there's a lot of resentment that goes on throughout the years. So I'm glad they actually seem fairly well adjusted at least in this movie we'll get to. Stevens. Drinking problem in the second movie as we talk about it. That's probably one of the things that I've always enjoyed so much about this is is that like relationship? Steven, and Diane have. Because a low, I mean in real life and and and media at the time, and now I mean that's not always the thing you see you see a lot of infighting and broken families and it's nice that they kind of act as a unit and Diane even has that line when they're in the bedroom like you remember when you used to be fun and it's it's teasing and it indicates a weird character trajectory that maybe we're not in on but like she's not, she's not resentful she doesn't like Hey, what he's become and I thought. It's refreshing to look this couple like, yeah, people change. But like they're still on each other side and I respond to that it doesn't feel like it's criticizing them. It doesn't feel like a critique. It just feels like an observation. The family is whole at the beginning of this and eventually they become whole again at the end we do lose Caroline Dana just kind of goes off does her thing already talked about how Robbie gets in a cab and he and he buzzer out of here so many of Spielberg's films you have a missing parent. Even. That same summer with et it's like I. Think Maybe they mentioned that the dad is off somewhere with like new girlfriend or something. But so often in haunting films and other horror films, there's a fracture in the family and I'm thinking things like the entity and I'll bring up the entity a few more times as we talk the entity with the missing father and the kind of weird relationship that the Barbara Hershey character had with the sun character, it just always felt like. That was the real problem that needed to be solved. That was kind of what let the the Hor- into their life I know you guys had a very frightening integrate way experience watching the movie maybe because I was older can scare me as much when I saw it. But regardless, I think people harvey give a love poltergeists because it is like a warm bath severi inviting or is horror films go it's a very inviting horror film and it doesn't do many horror films due in. Part partway love or is it doesn't try to attack the basic tenets of family and of Conventional Morality it actually affirms them. Somehow. It's still ends up being like a wonderful house ride like you watch the other movies, they don't have that but even the second film which has the same cast you're right. Steve Has A. Moment where he has he's drinking and he has a UC his dark side. The third film isn't even really there and then the remake the family is an economic vice like they're in tremendous economic trouble and it's causing causing fractures within the family. So it's the only one on the sewed. We're doing something a little different and sprinkling in the interviews that were done about the various aspects of this film that said we're going to break now for an interview with Schweitzer who has written a book about haunted homes that should be available by summer twenty, twenty one. So Tally Schweitzer how did you come to the idea of writing a book about haunted homes? I always fill a little bit self conscious when people ask me stuff like that or you know ask me about my upcoming project because I feel like my books always start with these sort of really naive observations where I'm just like aunts interesting after the two thousand, sixteen election I needed to just needed like escapism and I was all tapped out on. Zombie. So that was out. So I started watching a bunch of horror movies and I'd always been afraid of horror movies when I was a kid I think I just. Up they would give me nightmares or whatever. So I never seen the nightmare on ELM street movies or Halloween or any of those movies. So I just started kind of organizing film festivals for myself and I was going through and watching all these kind of horror classics and I watched the Amityville movies I think it was just sort of like. Movies that are set in Suburbia who which you always think of as being really safe. But yet in all these movies, suburbia is of course terrifying and then also just the idea of the how easily the danger comes inside the home you know. So even if in like nightmare on ELM street, you know you don't have like a haunted house. He still have this idea where like the house can't protect you like it's not a suitable defense. And an Amityville of course, like you know, you don't breathe a sigh of relief until the characters are driving away with the you know escaping the home and so that's kind of where the original query started where I was like Oh. There's something interesting here because we always think of home as being a place of safety and sanctuary and yet in horror movie after horror movie home is frequently wear the war happens you mentioned the medieval. Ville horrid I'm curious what other major films of made an impact on the most as you were researching this one Mitt the deeply disturbed me was the entity I'm one of the things that I talk about an in in my book is how you know even though we have this preconceived notion of the home is being this place, a safety and sanctuary quite often for women and children. The home is the most dangerous place and I thought. that. That kind of POPs up in interesting ways when you have I think it's the the conjuring sequel where Lily Taylor gets the bruises on her arms and like every morning she wakes up and they're more bruises on her arms and entity this woman who lives alone or a single mother keeps getting raped by a ghost and no one believes her and I always think back on what Rod Sterling said about how you know you can. Say things with the Martian that you could never say if it was a Democrat or Republican or something like that. I was think horror movies and how like you can say things in horror movies that you'd never get away with normally and so that's what enables horror movies to kind of get under your skin and really get to the heart. In a way that movies don't this woman insisting that she's being raped and just being disbelieved by you know her therapist and please and just like every sort of authority figure will probably hit home to a lot of women because that's the reality of many women who are actually raped and you know nobody wants to believe them a hereditary definitely wins the award for the move. The most underestimated I thought it was going to be. Just another one and then and it starts off and it's kind of a slow burn and I'm just like okay and then I slept with the lights on that night I think that was the most terrifying movie I've seen in a long time. You have a statistic in the book about domestic violence and just how many incidents our of domestic violence over a period of time in the numbers are just staggering. Yeah, and so that's why I think it's interesting because quite often in these haunted house narratives, the woman is you know either it's like in the Amityville. Movie You, know where you literally have an abusive husband or you have the abusive Ghost Satanic Supernatural figure whatever. But the on it house movies really play on this idea of how vulnerable the woman is in the home i. do like that. You make this real distinction in the book to say, know they're the the gothic houses out on the edge of town. The Bates is live or these you know we'll pay you million dollars if you can spend the night type of houses versus these are the cookie cutter homes, these are where you're supposed to feel safe and I also really appreciated how you track the growth of the suburbs and where we actually came from in order to have this suburban world people normally think of the suburbs as sort of developing organically. At least in America we we may be underutilized city planning you know and so we. We kind of figure like Oh you had the city and then you know they're just the layers of suburbs. Sit sort of are like the rings outside the city and what's so crazy about the suburbs is that's not at all what happened and it as I say in the book, it really is sort of carefully constructed house of cards. That's so like artificially manipulated by the government and. The banks and sort of like to further these specific agendas and just the way that you know certain people were allowed to buy homes and other people weren't allowed to buy homes and there was just so much more kind of strategic planning and alterior motives than people realize what's crazy I mean i. talk about this when I teach my history of American television class because one of the things that. I really emphasized as I think. Kids today or whatever tend to think like Oh. This is ancient history you know or like civil rights. That's like that's where the history books and it's like, no, like the stuff was not that long ago you know and banks could legally tell a black family like, nope, that neighborhoods not for you that house isn't for you until not that long ago and what's crazy is it still happening now and this is one of the. Reasons why I I went to my publisher and I was like, can we expedite this because trump is playing into this right now you know with all his talk about how Biden going to destroy suburbs by you know wink wink nudge nudge opening it up to African American families and it's like we haven't changed. You know we're still redlining. You know maybe it's a little bit less explicit in the paperwork but it still happening. God Yes sure is and then looking at all the gerrymandering and just how that affects the political districts as well as crazy. Yes. Exactly and so was it. It's like we now no longer have that that naievety about like Oh. We're post racial America like I. Think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would deny that racism is an issue in America but I think the just the nuts and bolts and also just you know how black families are economically disadvantaged today because you know their grandparents weren't allowed to buy a home I mean it's just like there's there's like decades of this maneuvering that's gone into play I was. Very surprised to read about with the amityville horror. The the way that rage is kind of an infection that gets in there, and especially we'll get to the men in the family and again going back to the domestic violence just how the men. James Role in crafting Nelson and poltergeist to it's like they get infected with almost like a rage virus but instead, it's a more of a spiritual one I thought it was just thrown that to like the boys will be boys you know and the Amityville terrible remembering actors names but like the when he James Brolin. Is using the axe and he's like chopping wood, and that moment is terrifying and you know he's not he's chopping wood superficially benign and it's just so scary the frenzy with what she's doing and you're just you reminded of, you know how much stronger the man is than the woman I mean it's just. But yeah, I, feel like so much of it plays into stereotype as we were talking about poltergeist on this episode, we are just amazed at how things changed between nineteen, eighty, two in. Two Thousand Fifteen when the remake comes out especially the way that the family I mean, you see the the the even make a joke in the second one about the downward mobility of the family going from Stephen who makes a really good amount of money at the counts for forty two percent of sales of homes in the suburb to then the the new family in the twenty fifteen version where the dads out of work the MOMS the breadwinner there's a lot of tension about that going on. and. This whole thing of once we get into a house we are stuck and we are sunk here. We have to stay in this house no matter how haunted it might be in the remake I. Love that Awkward Moment when the real estate agent is talking to them and her shock and embarrassment when she finds out that the dad is unemployed and it just really kind of hits home 'cause obviously like you know if if it was if the roles the gender roles had been reversed you. Know, and it was the mom who was unemployed. It would sort of like nobody would bat ny but just the the level of discomfort in that scene, and then I think like the wife calls over to him and he's like I'm sorry I'm having an awkward moment with the real estate agent like they really sort of play up just how awkward that moment is when he's like I was laid off, it does speak not only to the fact that the the downward mobility but also just like the. Way His whole social standing with the real estate agent has plummeted because he doesn't have job. So it's like we're still holding people to the same standards right we're still expecting him to be the man of the household and the breadwinner and all that even though the world around us has changed this whole thing that you've picked up onto with the isn't this house of. Bargain can't. We isn't this perfect. It's such a steal an and over and over again and the emphasis on the fact that you know that little murder that took place that just allows us to kind of access to get like you know foot in the door for this suburban fantasy this sort of rite of passage and Oh, it's you know it's such a bargain and then. Yeah it just the fact that it's like. You. Who cares what happened in houses don't have memories and it sort of I'm always very drawn to when certain things just happen over and over again, these sort of patterns. Because I find that fascinating. But yes, over and over again like Oh, this is the bargain. This is a steel and then even in like their certain movies there's that the net flicks one takes place in the former like butcher shop he actually gets when. So the wife is sort is upset because of the house, the charnel house, his wife is like, how could you not tell me that these murders took place here and then his reaction rather than apologizing is to kind of lash. Out at her and be like, you had to have no because we never would have been able to afford it otherwise. So it's the onus is on her for not being like this is weird. How are we affording this building something terrible happen here, which I think is just like such like just masterful manipulation like it's her fault because she didn't ask so like over and over again it's like, of course, something terrible happened here. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to be in this lovely. House. Is Haunted. House movies become haunted how movies? When did they make the move from that Gothic Mansion I was talking about to the suburban Gothic, the genre or the template or whatever. Really really like grabbed hold after the economic collapse in two thousand eight and I think because that was when I think it I mean, again, you know the Amityville movies going on in the I seven days like I. Think a lot of this stuff had been trickling in with the rise of Suburbia, but they definitely latch told when we had the the housing collapse and I, think people realized that this this was not going to be just like a ticket to some kind of American dream. Did you notice any other? Out of the norm gender roles as you were exploring these films well. So there's there's something interesting that happens in terms of gender with these films where on one hand you do have the very cliche gender dynamic whereas as you said, you know the man has the the rage virus. And the woman is the one who's being you know abused or dominated or whatever But that has sort of like a a more nuanced effect on these movies because it is precisely because the the is sort of more sensitive or delicate or to the supernatural or whatever that the woman realizes what's happening long before the man does right and that's another pattern that just gets played out over and over and over again she's. Like I think the house is haunted and he says, you're being ridiculous variations of that and then because she's the first one to realize, she's often the one who's more proactive in defending the family. So the haunted house movies for like one hundred movies like they they start off really playing on conventional gender stereotypes. But then there's sort of this unexpected twist where you know inevitably the woman is proven right? Because the house is. Haunted or the child is possessed or whatever. But in a lot of these movies is the woman who plays more of an active role in protecting the family until often like the you know the very very end and then maybe the you know the dad kind of pulls it together but usually you know mean I think hereditary is a good example of that where you know on the surface you're like, oh, look how cute It's a suburban family but Tony Coletta's is just I think more a stronger more memorable, more pivotal character in the film than her husband and even in movies like There's something about Kevin which I talk about even though it's not a traditional haunted home near does play out with a lot of these tropes and you think of the win as being sort of the the weaker parent right? Because she frequently can't. She can't stand up to her son and she's being bullied by her son and the you know the dad comes home and everything's great and then the daddy leaves and she's being bullied. But also like who's the last one standing? You know I think that that plays out a lot too. So I think there is some I think one of the reasons why Find his narrative. So fascinating is because there is this complexity to gender roles last year, I. Think it was last year we had us and I think that's the first time I remember seeing a black family terrorized by other worldly things. What are some of the other instances of that that you might found I know people loved US I just couldn't get into it. And so I would always I was telling my students like I'm delighted to be proven wrong. So if you can. You give me that insight to us that will make it come alive please do and I loved get out get out again. It's not a traditional sort of haunted home narrative but you do have this idea of you know the the charming house in the suburbs where you think everything is going to be incredibly safe and then it becomes this horrific nightmare for whatever black characters stumble into it, and then other than that. They're like they're very very few with African American. Character punted mansion like earlier on was like I'm not really going to get into this one and then I went back and re watched it and was just So disturbed by all the stuff that I hadn't noticed the first time around and so the haunted mansion really exemplifies like all the troublesome racism you know the fact that like you have yes you have this black family and they're in a haunted house, but they don't own it. You know and the way that the the mother slash wife is treated like property to kind of be bartered back and forth. I. Mean. It's just when I went back and rewatch that I was like, wow, that's really disturbing and then you have the the sort of like the comedic aches on it you know with the Keenen Ivory Wayans and stuff which. They're funny. But you're also kind of like, why is this? Why is this the only representation of a haunted house narrative that has some diversity in the cast where it's more than just like the one exotic character who's coming into like consult right. So it's just very weird that it's it's so it's so limited because I feel like you you expect there to be a little bit more diversity and just nothing. I had forgotten about the haunted mansion and it's so funny because I always think of Eddie. Murphy's joke about what if a black family had moved into the Amityville Horror House. Say Oh baby. This is beautiful. Chandelier hanging up their kids outside playing into beautiful neighborhood being an underwear. This really nice. Too Bad we can't stay. David. Well. That's I mean Jordan Peele said that's that's when he named his movie get out like it was a reference to that Eddie. Murphy skit. So he he Jordan peele talks about how influential that was and you know and that is it is brought up in some of the more satirical takes where you know you see kind of like I don't understand why people are so weird in this situation. So I think that's great but it's just it's glaring that there are so few others and for instance, when I originally put together the proposal for the book, one of the things that I wanted to do was talk more about. Non Hetero normative families and sort of what happens to them in the haunted house, and then I was like, oh, they don't exist. So apparently, you know you very rarely have gay families buying haunted real estate why I think you said that there's one movie where there is a gay couple but then what they leave town and it's the The niece and her boyfriend. So it becomes a header hetero normative couple anyway. You think it's going to be all diverse and it was funny because I interviewed like the director and he was talking about how they you know they were very aware of the fact that you know the this kind of thing hadn't been done before and they wanted to have. More diversity in that when he pitched it to the actresses they were like, yeah let's do this. It's like, yeah, we got we got the gay people out of the way and then the daughter and her boyfriend become the Hetero normative couple remaining is at the one called home. Yes. Okay. I frank. Lin. Keep them straight because like you know the names were very clearly reflect like some subplot or whatever. But this is just a disaster like if I don't have the index cards in front of me, then forget about it. Tell me a little bit about a house is not a home that movie is the only one. That I could file, find, that had an African American family like it fit all the tropes except for the fact that the family was at white. So it's it It's not a satire you have a you know black family who moves into a home that appears to be. Middle Class and then the house is haunted and it's predictable and formulaic in the ways that the white hotted house movies are predictable and formulaic except that the families not white and I remember when I was like I was like there's no way. This is the only one and it's the only one I found and interviewed Gerald Web who is one of the producers on the movie and the was is like the place the dad in the film and he? was saying that yeah. One of the sort of inspiration said been like, oh, well, no, one's done this. That's weird. Let's do it and then they couldn't find distribution and it's just so amazing to me 'cause I have kind of like the record industry where it's like nobody wants to try something different you know. So it's like, Oh, well, I've got the new Brittany spear errs and it's like Oh sure record deal but then you've got someone different and it's like. Oh I don't know what boxed but that end. So we're just GONNA pass and so even though the movies fine I mean again it's it's not you know Kademi award winning but neither is amityville seventeen its distinctive because of how unusual it is, and yet it didn't really get any traction a lot of movies you can find to rent on you know Amazon or to or Netflix or whatever, and I had to buy the DVD because it was just it. Could not be found anywhere, which is sad because it's you know it was the production values fine came out in two thousand fifteen like it's there's nothing like let's say that there are many more worst movies that are on Netflix put it that way. So you said that you talked with one of the filmmakers for that and I think that you've talked with quite a few filmmakers while you're putting this put together. So with that movie I talk to Gerald, Webb who Was not the the director he was one of the like the the the he plays the Dad I don't want to say he's like the hero of the movie because it's got a bunch of people but he he's the Dad and he was sort of one of the producers of the film, and this is this is just one of those weird stories were the kind of thing happens to. Me I was watching the movie and I was like, Gerald. Webb Gerald web that sounds really familiar and I looked up on facebook and we were facebook friends and I have no idea why and we have no like mutual friends I've it nope no clue But so I just sent him you know Facebook Messenger requests I am writing it's black and can I interview and he was like yeah sure. I. Hate. The idea of sort of like the academic and the ivory tower who's just sort of. I feel like I'm armchair quarterbacking I'm like, Oh, well, this must've been what the director was thinking about. You know it's it's nice to sometimes reach out and so like. Talk a lot about. The haunting of Hill House and I have. All these sort of theories, Abou- what I think that the miniseries is about and. Again but it's still just like theories, and so it's nice to be able to talk to someone who worked on it and find out like Oh. Wow. They were actually thinking this what I thinking they were thinking, but it's funny because I always talked I was telling my students. Sometimes the filmmaker does it know that they're thinking about exit why they're just responding to something that's in the PGA is So just because they aren't thinking what you're thinking does that mean you're wrong but when they are thinking what you're thinking, there's something very validating in that. So whenever possible I try to talk to people but sometimes it's you know it's a total fluke and it's like you know who if you know somebody who knows some wanner? Random people are very, very friendly and outgoing and happy to chat, and then other people are not. And so it's Kinda like luck of the draw who talks to you in this heat you trevor macy happened to be friends with a friend of mine Jeb Brody and I told Jeb that I was working on this book and he was like, oh. Do you want to talk to one of the people who did the hunting of? Hill House and I was like, Oh my God yes and so that's how we were connected. I could have spun off into all kinds of different directions with this because I'm. Like. The apartment trilogy by Polanski and haunted apartments or just there's so many different ways you could go with us. Yes and I think one of the things that's kind of fun. So the the book is for this specific series that Rucker's press does that are called quick takes where there are these smaller books and so it it keeps me in line because I can't just go spin off into. That's a has to be another book like it's like I I can't just add another twenty thousand words, and so I have because it allows me to be really super focused. The My. L. A. Private privatized book was for the same series and again it was kind of like I wasn't going to talk about private is in New York like I have I've turned that book into a course that I teach and then in the course I do talk about you know private is New York and how they're different from private is in La But for the book I just had to stay focused, which is kind of good for me because I always like well, that's kind of interesting and then it's like tangent are you doing the same with this one area teaching a course on haunted? Homes. Not yet unfortunately at fit. There's a lengthy course approval proposal process. So I am ironically teaching a course this fall based on going viral, which was already put in place before anyone even heard of covid. Now, there's this very surreal component to the class where I was when I was working on on putting it together, and I was like, how do I integrate covert 'cause like I have to talk about Covid and I was like, do I just have like a day word services Cova Day, and we just talk about how all the templates show up with Cova and then I was like no. coves like interwoven itself into like every fabric of our life at the moment and so I just now of Cova just woven throughout the course I think the thing that to me is the freaky EST is like, Oh my God have we not learn from our mistakes. I'm giving my students examples of things that were done. You know in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety S, and here we go. We're doing them again. That's the weirdest words just like we just you know does that sound familiar because that's what's Happening right now, that's the most infuriating where you just kind of WanNa, like hit your head against the wall and be like we did this already. So when is haunted homes going to be out unfortunately, I don't think haunted homes will be out until the summer of twenty twenty one, I think there have been some delays due to the aforementioned cove Ed. I'm hoping that they will be able to push it out a little bit earlier and get it out in the spring but as of now it's summer twenty. Twenty one to have your next project in mind already Ho no yes I do and again it's going to start with that same kind of like naive question that always makes me cringe a little bit. But I actually was thinking about doing this one before the hotted homes and then I knew that I was moving and so I was like it'll actually be easier right now to do this more bite sized project, and then once I've moved, I can kind of sink my teeth into this next project which. Will, which will definitely be several layers of work I want to write about memory and specifically the sort of cultural social erosion of memory that taking place at this moment and I don't have anything like terribly fleshed out. But what drew me to this question is sort of noticing how basically we forget everything myself included you've noticed I like forget names of actors and never asked me what what year movie came out like I'm just a disaster but you have on one hand you know the young people who? Go I. Remember when I was in school we had to memorize things and in previous generations I've heard they had to memorize the Gettysburg address and now you know kids don't even know their own phone number. So on one hand of one side of the spectrum, you have this sort of just like forgetting and there was some crazy statistic about like how many kids have no idea that the Holocaust even happened I mean there's just this this loss of sort of facts history narrative memory, and then on the other end of the spectrum, we have increasing numbers of people living with Alzheimer's and dementia as a result of longer lifespans and so you you have like. The old people and the young people are all forgetting everything. There's something really interesting to me about that and I have not yet decided where it's going to go but I know that I've I. my sort of my methodology is to have this kind of like naive a topic and then just start accumulating books and articles and lists of movies, and then I kind of figure out where it will go like you know the haunted house one, it was just like Oh this is weird that the suburban home becomes the place of danger. So again, I start with these various sort of cringingly naive queries and the net sort of takes on a life of own. Value if people want to keep up with you in your projects and want to. Maybe see when the the book is actually coming out for hundred homes. Where should they go to find out more information the best place, but the least interesting places, my website, this Dali Dot Com because I rarely update it, but it does get updated whenever there's a new book. So this is all you dot com and then I have they can look me up on facebook, which also barely gets updated, and then there's twitter where I post lots of angry political tweets and then it's my handle as Dolly destiny. Any combination of those will definitely let you know when the book comes out. We're back and we were talking about how poultry Geis's differentiated. So strongly between it and et in that the freeling family is whole at the beginning and the end of the film we don't have any fractures between the parents like we do in close encounters the family splitting up like they did in wore the world's where I think there might have been a missing mother character there's A. Really, nice article about how families are united and divided in Spielberg's work and I'll be sure to include that in the show notes unquestionably this is where I guess the debate about who directed movie comes up is it's such a Spielberg in notion like the tremendous pace movie shows in the basic goodness of people and the value of a traditional family relationship is so Spielberg in and it's just All over the movie from from literally the first frame. There are so many little things in the movie where I keep saying like these are steven, Spielberg's fingerprints, things like that. Stephen. Just happens to be watching a guy named Joe, and I'm like, okay. Well, that eventually will be remade as always and I know that at this exact time Spielberg was already talking. About remaking a guy named. Joe And even showed it to the screenwriters before they started talking about doing a horror film together he brought them in and showed them the film and they're like, yeah, we're not really interested in this not knowing exactly how to make deals with how they would they kind of walked away from it but then they call back they're like. Interested in doing a horror film. So, they managed to get poltergeist out of it. Things like that things like the one scientist who has the bite on his side and I'm like Oh this looks like a shark bite. You know and I'm just seeing all of these little nods to other Spielberg films like the only thing that I didn't see in the movie was shooting star when there was a nighttime sky. I mean, even the clouds rolling in when Robbie's climbing the tree in the clouds are coming in I'm like, okay. Does somebody get ready to open the Ark of the Covenant because these are the same clouds it looks like that come over the island when the ARC is about to be opened. Not. It's obviously the influence of his friend George Lucas's products are everywhere the Oh my God are they ever? I didn't realize in the one all the great you sent. I learned that poltergeist was shot the forty T. And somehow in my mind Iowa's because he is such a cornerstone of to Steven Spielberg is as a director. I was assuming that that was shot I but poltergeist was shot I. You can kind of see that was. A kind of a warm up for et and a lot of the visual and by the way I'm I'm very strict about who really directed I can say a tremendous respect for toby who burn I can see some of this as well. But I can only imagine what it would have been like to be in the orbit, of Steven, Spielberg at that moment who was kind of like the Mozart. Of American cinema like he's just an at his packs like at the at the absolute zenith. His abilities as a filmmaker I'm sure just getting close to him. It would be impossible not to feel that imprint even if he wasn't like telling Toby Hooper what to do I think just the fact that he wrote or co wrote the script and the outline and you know obviously came from him just like. Everything in the film that was always kind of might feeling about it because I, I don't love a lot of Toby Hooper's other work but I mean he's a competent director I just feel like myself who is never directed a movie if I worked with Steven Spielberg I might be able to direct nice movie I don't know it just feels like being around that energy with that capability like. The. Man Says he directed at like why? Why don't we just believe him I I don't know why there'd be some big conspiracy theory around. The Truth and there's a podcast. I. Don't know if it was in all the lovely. Readings that you sent over Miami 'cause I. I got lost in that for a couple of hours I was there to podcast there there. I wanted to religion to it before this but they're side gentlemen that talks about the fact that tobe hooper was there and he directed this moving and Steven Spielberg or did not. So I don't know he to me he did and it and it just benefits from Steven Spielberg's presence this a lot of finger pointing when it comes to there was a behind the scenes short that was filmed around that time and that was I think directed by Frank Marshall One of the Co producers of the film and it's basically it's the Steven Spielberg show like look at how involve Steven, Spielberg, is with. No Shit this is going to sound really harsh but in nineteen eighty-two who's going to run out and see tobe hooper film versus who's going to run out and see a Steven Spielberg film. It's that thing where you know no matter who's directing it you put like the big name across the top everybody at this moment no Steven Spielberg got a track record. They're gonNa want to see this movie whereas gene. Joe America aren't going to necessarily know who toby hooper as other than maybe the Texas chainsaw massacre for the hardcore horror fans but. It's not like he was able to pack them in. So no wonder you put Steven Spielberg's name over the title as big as you possibly can bigger than the title of the movie. It doesn't matter what it is as long as his name is on it. Then let's by the lunchbox. They're even doing it now much to my dismay like with the new candyman. Jordan feels candyman even though you had to cost a directed it because obviously, I know why they're doing that because people recognize Jordan heels name over NIA DECOSTA's. Back, why would I believe it was any different back in the eighties and it is this movie has more to do with Steven Spielberg other works and does like you said for Toby Hooper's like if you were like, yeah. I. Love Texas. chainsaw I'M GONNA. Go See this haunted house movie. You might not walk away with what you were expecting. And at that moment. I was hyper conscious of what was going on because I raiders of the lost Ark Place at home. Experience for me that was the movie that I saw that made me understand what a director is. Aware of there's somebody telling the story, and in the the way the story is told is very important and I don't even know how many times I saw that film and the theater. So Steve Spielberg was such a powerful cultural influence as a filmmaker to the point when he came out, it killed everything around. Famously, blade runner and the were just devastated by because they opened up within a couple of weeks of tea and the cultural. Was just overwhelmed by E. T. N. in anything that was sort of dark or adult or or negative in any way just was not desired like it was nobody wanted to see those films as great as they are and I. For me those movies are more probably. impactful than et was but ultimately, but at that time, I don't know that there's any other filmmaker except navy fences their blood when he did, you know the time that he did Godfather one into the conversation. But I don't do this any other filmmaker that's head more of influence on popular culture in particular moment and he did that moment. So poor toby hooper because how do you stand out from that? Like how can you separate yourself from that? I, don't think there's any way and I believe the Tobu progressivecommercial toby to. A. Really an excellent director I think that he has tremendous ability and is a really fine craftsman. At a time and I can see his influence. I. Think I'm willing to bet that some of the edgier elements of poltergeist belong to him and it was nice to has a especially at that time kind of could swing into soccer in place and I bet to Hooper was nice counterbalance to that. But there was just no way if in that story given that the story was kind of birth from Huber that was ever going to walk away owning that movie Spielberg had a had lucas producing raise the lost. Ark and they were very involved together and Gal doing the story conferences with Lawrence. Kasdan but Lucas is a presence, but he's not nearly the excitable presence. It's like you know Spielberg and Scorsese locked those two in a room. They would probably just tear each other apart like weasels or something. You know they're just amazing when it comes to their love of film and just the way they talk and they get so excited about stuff whereas George Lucas is kind of fades into the wallpaper sometimes. All right. That's fine. and. This was the first. I, think one of the first times that Spielberg was producing something and he would learn i. think from this experience when it came to things like back to the future or Graham Lynch where it's like, okay, you got to let it breathe a little bit and we do get those Spielberg touches in things like gremlins and things like back to the future like when I think it's billy might or might be the. Can't remember the the younger character when the running through town in, you see the Marquees and one of the marquees watch the skies and that was originally before they came up with night skies, which then eventually morphed kind of into this kind of into e t that was originally what he was calling it, which again was kind of throwback to that last line from the thing but they said, no, you can't use that as a title. So he had come up with a bunch of different titles, but that's there on that marquee. So it's like one of those. Oh. Look at that. That's a Spielberg touch but that movie is really owned by Joe Dante a lot more than Spielberg. Really good point. I'm sure you're right I'm sure Spielberg based on some of the interviews that you send to US I. Think he he realized that he had. He didn't want to repeat that experience and you're right as far as Spielberg getting really saccharin and I mean the next thing that he would direct would be the twilight zone segment of kick. The can which is like the schmaltzy est of all of those segments and it's like. You know you think like, Hey, if you did direct poltergeist, maybe would go for something a little bit edgier than this. But I like Spielberg adjacent projects I like when he is like involved but not like the steer head. I don't know if his his like unbridled sensibilities really what I'm into. When we talk about poltergeist, there's no way to talk about it without talking about that time in cinema because in America because I really feel like nineteen eighty to change the course of Hollywood and it it never. Say never recovered if you think about the films that opened that summer beginning with poltergeists to wrath of Con, the thing way Ron Error. In the fall there was creep show the seeds of virtually everything that we see now were were selling. That's ever in terms of mainstream popular Hollywood filmmaking with something like poltergeist we can see. Was Really. Reaching a point of. Creative influence that even in the Jurassic. Part, Schindler's list as he would never reach again it was a wonderful moment it was. I've sure for adults. It was it was depressing you know for Paul. Kale or somebody like for serious critics at time it was probably depressing because essentially was. B. Movies the kind of movies that were classified as movies in the fifties. Sixties were becoming the movies and the intelligence meaningful dramas and the influence of the French ooh wave and the attempt by mercantile makers in the seventies to really evolve the medium. Were banishing and really what was being offered where fantastic rides for the audience like it you know Hollywood became the theme park and but if you were thirteen. So wonderful moment. Was Magical in that and and I don't I don't believe for a moment that Spielberg was ever cynical that what he did I, think that he just made the movies that he loves to make in. They just happen to synchronize with popular taste and I, mean I think he is a filmmaker who loves to be loved but I truly feel that he is passionate about the kinds of movies he's. exes is Ingmar. Bergman is by its films. And it you know. It really shows that was done with tremendous earnestness and and and a serious intent. It's such a fascinating moment because in in that sort of incredible explosion of creativity, there was like also tremendous agony because the pilot zone. Mislead head one of the worst. Accidents of all the history. The death of the Moro in two children I'm so just at the moment Steven Spielberg May this. Is Dan t and he was. The concerned reached the stage of being the greatest maker or most accessible maker in the world. This horrible horrible thing happened not directly. To you know movie he was producing and he was going to do a different twilight zone segment has sure which one it was was it but it was a darker story and so he did kick the can I think partly because it was after two children had died in an American actor and I? Think he felt like he needed to do something. Sweet. He couldn't do something dark and the result is. Trump saccharin thing. Ever. Well at least he didn't do little girl lost because I know there was already talk of how dare they take this Richard Matheson story from the original twilight zone and turn it into poltergeist but I mean there are some similarities there. Though I have to you know you brought up tron earlier and I have to laugh because there was a simpsons parody of little girl lost that actually referenced Tron views the alight homer. Move into the light my is on. Homer this is your physician Dr Julius Hibbert can you tell us what it's like in their? Room. It's like When the movie tron no are now now now now now now, no. Yes I'm I mean now now a little bit about the question of authorship when it comes to poltergeist but I wanNA, really talk to an expert about it. Writer Chris O Neil has been working on a book about Tobe Hooper and I was fortunate enough to ask him about his thoughts regarding the kerfuffle around poltergeist. If I were to have a trial right now as far as who directed poltergeist, the scales are really tipped in the Spielberg direction seeing the behind the scenes footage with Spielberg, calling all the shots hearing from witnesses like Zelda Rubinstein or from John Leeann Nettie, they're saying that Spielberg was the one who directed the film and I'm curious what went on there and why do you think that it's not that what I believe it is a tobe hooper film. It was a very strong kinda fifty, fifty creative collaboration in the lead up to the production with Spielberg. And with Hooper. Spielberg was such a dominant presence on the set rather than necessarily having. Stories from the political shoot. I have a few other stories from other shoots that who was on. I think if you add them all up, a gives you an idea of what happened on that film what I find really interesting about the whole. Situation, was it was during production and before the film's even released that it was very much in the public eye that People felt Spielberg. Secretly really directed at or ghost directed it. I know in recent years with the Internet information about film shoots or reshoot. So re cuts or whatever are a bit more commonplace most of the time of films from this era I think you'll only really hear these stories when it's ten fifteen, twenty years later when the US settled. This. No. PR involved anymore it's no longer the marketing machine is no longer getting the movie out and sold it. It's on. It's in the library in kind of people sit back a bit and they they tell some stories and whatever, for example, the way several people believe that Semester Stallone Redirected Cobra or how are Russell really directed tombstone now I don't have details on those productions to state. But I didn't hear maybe maybe I'm just wasn't very clued in but I certainly didn't hear those stories until years after those films. And yet something here like with poltergeist. This was something that was kind of going on as it was unfolding in the public eye before it even came out. So I, as go along I, haven't kind of theory about that as well because if you have a film. where a huge creative element of it is Steven Spielberg who at the time was he must have been the the biggest money spinning filmmaker of that period having just done raise lost star can before that coast encounters before that Joel is and of course Coming out around the same time as poltergeist. e t it sounds like there was a lot of people who it was good for them to push the. Angle. However as much as I can say that. There I think there was an unconventional by. General Industry terms way of how they worked. That's wear difficult to definitively say. No he directed it. No no, he directed it I think like I as I said, I, think I present now in this the different points and things why I think it ultimately favors with hooper but also how the film does have very strong Spielberg qualities and indeed he was a creative force behind the film. So it's not to say that he wasn't involved in the film hugely in influencing it but at the same time, he wasn't the director per se saying like I said. Here. We are thirty eight years later still discussing this the only time I get the sense of the time when this was happening was the only time you really heard there was an issue with film with creative differences. Shall we say was if a filmmaker had somehow been removed from the project or didn't have final cuts, a not filmmaker was trying to be ferry was to point out basically, the film was no longer his but that's not the case here both filmmakers involved were both. Claiming everything was amicable and everything is above board and yet there's a lot of qualities here which people question that as I was saying in the research of in this book have been working on trying to get a good strong sense of tobe hooper is as a person as a filmmaker in terms of his work methods the way people refer to him actors, crew members, etc in doing. So in films prior to in some cases after a pulse guys, it gives you a good idea of how things unfolded but initially I believe in the late seventies maybe seventy, eight, seventy, nine. Spielberg met with. Tobe hooper anything to became friends like a lot of filmmakers in Hollywood. Spielberg was great admire of Texas. chainsaw massacre. For, example when when Toby I went to Hollywood his mentor, the person who kind of tried to get into the industry is trying to set him up with some projects was William Freakin. A lot of people really were quite taken by Texas chainsaw. The two filmmakers started talking about collaborating on something and toby wanted to film along the lines of the haunting Robert rottweiler he's nineteen, sixty, three film haunted house movie but. Something incredible. The be visceral in. Go story you can only imagine you the initial thoughts going through his mind when when when these two very excitable filmmakers idea let's do a project together and apart that's what happens to be says, that's work on something. So in nineteen eighty when Spielberg was. In production on raiders of the lost Ark back and forth they corresponded in created a treatment for a film to be cold it's nighttime some people think that dark skies project split up and be elements of it went into et and elements of it went into a became poltergeist apart from light the most superficial family in peril by some sort of supernatural force element to it I don't really think there was anything else too. I. Think this was just a different project and it's nighttime was bare bones of what became poltergeist. So the two filmmakers developed the concept of its nighttime on I believe the plan was always that this is toby's project Steven Spielberg was going to get it rolling. He loved it the concept he was developing it with toby he was a CO writer, the story Toby. Don't thinks any in in any way credited in the creation of it, but he did he was. So that's another element that if it had been story by Tobe, Hooper and Steven Spielberg may be people have a different opinion but it kind of just looking at the credits, it just sounds like Spielberg on his own or with other people came up with a gun. There's other scriptwriters of course, throughout pre production, the film was rigorously planned out and. It. So interested in terms of the spectacle special effects involved in things that was a lot of planning in the had to be involved rigorously. So the two of them were heavily involved you gotta remember this is very important. Spielberg was the producer. So he wasn't director. He wasn't like the final say necessarily on the creative aspects of the project but he was. In a business level invested. In the project you know he was actually involved in it, and therefore he needed to see it come to fruition in some shape or form, and that's very important in what when it come to a few moments on also to note, Spielberg's been involved as in some sort of producer capacity on several films. However, in most cases, he's executive producer he wasn't the producer. So for example, back to the future. Is Executive produced by Spielberg and it Steven Spielberg presents it's not a Steven Spielberg production. So that's very important to kind of highlight as well. If you go through his producing filmography in most cases, he his name is on there but he he took a backseat whereas with poltergeist was a bit more forefront on that. So I so a very important thing to to highlight filming begins and fairy soon after it begins. It seems that Spill Berg's presence onset ferry quickly became felt. And he not only was on the set but seem to be taking charge quite a bit. Basically, doing what in a lot of cases that director would seem to do, which would be calling the shots in terms of assailant Wednesday calling the shots I mean like. Instructing crew to do this asking questions. When you see that behind the scenes footage that's what you're seeing before. We go into that any further. What I want to now talk about is what people said about toby on other film productions. If you add up these stories together and then come to this scenario, you can see what happened. How Spielberg became to be more involved than he initially intended or maybe should have been. At the same time I think it's it's toby's film. So one term that often comes up when you hear people talk about toby is he was very childlike or soft spoken as I said already when we were talking shall I is also something else I've heard used and introverted these rule not necessarily qualities you think of a someone. WHO's helming a major Hollywood production like poltergeist it was a big production. I get the impression toby was not was incredibly talented filmmaker, but he wasn't necessarily a very good business man in terms of the logistics impracticality certainly nearly days anyway of what a is involved in production terms of the money involved, etc. Whereas Spielberg was a talented talented filmmaker still, but it this time he was the money man he was the person responsible for making sure the film comes in. Over budget or not to over budget own time, we're reasonably on time whatever. That's something that is important to think about. One thing that. Comes up a lot throughout the film ochre fee. Is. When toby had a producer who was supportive of what he was trying to achieve? And did what they could to facilitate that. He generally worked on. That went. Pretty much. Okay. Like there's a quote here from Harry Alan Towers producer who brought him into do night terrors. And and I think this is interesting. He said he's very introverted. A needs a lot of support but capable of doing great things. Now he's introverted needs support. Like I said, if you have someone your team who's in your corner, supporting you and leading an understanding about you and helping you achieve that great but if you don't have that or. People aren't quite behind you. I can see how that could be a problem. For example, a may be I, think that's what happened on eaten alive for example, or the films that he was removed from. There's a lot of accounts that he could want onset say directing actors. Could get a bit flustered or stumble in the way he was trying to communicate with actors who knows if this litter other members of the crew I've heard this with actors. In the way that you have communication issues with people. And I found it quite interesting that late Lou Perryman who Worked on the production of eggshells of Texas chainsaw massacre, and of course was. In a prime role as an actor in Texas chainsaw massacre two. He said the on those on those early films on eggshells on Texas chainsaw massacre the first film that in Texas chainsaw massacre he was assistant director or Assistant Camera I think director. But either way he'd be standing there and he looking at toby communicating with the actors and he being the middle and he could see what toby was saying. He could see the response from the actors and he he said he a a lot of people at Kim Henkel also backs this up saying that Perryman was like an interpreter what I think toby was trying to sell. It was this from all accounts Lou Perryman was a very a kind of easy to get along with Kinda guy in very. personable in on people who liked him When Toby went to can for Texas chainsaw massacre Lou Perryman with him and it sort of sounded like maybe because he felt with blue by his side, he'd be to talk to certain people and things like that. So this is interesting even when. It came to a few years later on the Fun House which was filmed before poltergeist. Shaping the actor who's in the film on the Arrow Blu ray of the film that came out UK if years ago, he tells a story that. He'd be their onset and Berry minds, nighttime shoot. So the lighting is very specific. So with the camera movements, the actors have to hit their marks and have to be turned a certain way and the story kind of tells us is. Toby told them to the group of actors. The main say say, the four actors, the four teenagers at the young people in in the in the story and be like so you kind of you know. It's a simple shot yet skill air kind of you know like spiders. You know your. And not impression is something like what is communicated in the story. On. Any apparently the actors again, some of them could look quite confused on need look at Mal shape and go you know what I mean you you explain it and then shape oh. Oh, what he's trying to say is when we get here, we have to move this way a certain speed hit are marketed. It sounded light economy needed that support sometimes of people to help also own say Texas chainsaw massacre two. Kit Carson powerfully sometimes was communicating with the actors as well. So that those films and then suddenly have question of ownership over those films but it's just an example of moments where toby could have trouble with communication. Would need that support as Harry. Allen. Tower said to to carry it through also, toby would like letting things play out sometimes. Happy. Accidents happen like to see how something would happen with performance or whatever and. Again you can a lot of the juicers getting very frustrated with approaches to things you know like in terms of not just very rigidly just getting things done. On also, there's another story from the Exchange Massachusetts where I think at one point cannon sent down some guys to kind of try and take charge of the shoot and try to get more forced through to the end without any further delays or whatever, and the way the stories told is a by one of the members of the production was normany with toby while going through what they're about to do if anyone had an opinion or an idea like toby would listen to the mold and discuss them all. Of course, just be wasting time whereas he'd be like hearing comments in looking for suggestions. These guys from cannon. If anybody tried to bring up anything that go excuse me excuse me and then he would continue make sure everybody is going to work Dongo. Sorry. Yes. What can what can I do? So I if you take all of these elements. Together. Imagine. What was going on on Poltergeists, which was a considerably bigger shoot budget wise scheduling wise than anything before. Reports going back to Spielberg that we're going behind schedule. The crew don't feel like it's going anywhere whatever. My theory is that interpreter that kind of more forceful presence that I've mentioned in the other shoots. Spielberg to producer remember it's not just the producer it's producer with a amount of. Film experience but experience all this film having discussed it inside and out with toby. All reckon he kind of jumped in. And try to really take the reins to push the project through because. With. So many intricate effects in such like that. He could see it going over budget and over schedule, and he didn't want that to happen. Not Talking like Heaven's gate style over schedule or that kind of thing, but I could see from him being. The way he would maybe have production on the way he would do things him getting frustrated without approach and being that kind of interpreter for toby. That's what I think happened the everything was devised. So rigidly beforehand. That between them they would. Work out what was going to happen. And then, Spielberg would almost. Take charge more on the set. than necessarily toby walls. Because the making of footage documentary it's like a seven minute. If if it's the same thing I've seen is like a seven minute just behind the scenes kind of feature acts. Yeah. On Frank Marshall whose producer co-produce with Steven Spielberg directed that it really pushes the Spielberg Angle it Spielberg talking with the effects people it Spielberg talking about es houses effect going to be done and talking about Oh how this rig will begun. It's old big intricate stuff he's discussing. And there are only two moments you see toby and he doesn't say a word in regards to he's not interviewed by the camera crew. You don't hear him saying anything and yet in at least one of those instances he's they're directing the young actor Oliver Robins who has always stated toby was the director I reckon what might have happened was Spielberg took him. Aside and said look to get this done. You focus on this part on all focus on this part, and I'm not talking necessarily about for the whole shoot I just mean certain sections because in the majority of the cases, the actors talk about working heavily with with toby, Oliver Opens, their James Karen always ferry much spoke very highly of toby and of course. when you think about it toby Karen. into being returned the living dead before toby jumped from that project to do lifeforce and brought him back in to do a invaders from Mars and if I'm not mistaken, he's also in the. Amazing Stories TV episode that top did for for Spielberg show when some of the actors kind of our bit more diplomatic I think that's because they are seeing what was happening on the sentence. Some of these other situations it does sound like Spielberg would just be sometimes an overriding voice in something that was p- rediscussed with the two people. So almost being in this strange way like at overly assertive. Assistant he or something that not to downplay but. Really cracking the whip and getting things done. Because ultimately, if that film as I said, there was any problems. It was GONNA be a problem for Spielberg the producer. That's my feeling on why that happened. On the set itself because there aren't loads of photographs of Spielberg shooting and also there are accounts of people saying, no, Spielberg directed but we're talking about certain crewmembers who? Perhaps under normal circumstances would have had a different relationship to a director in this case like for example, a Nestle mistaken I've never heard the director of photography give his opinion. On the hierarchy because you gotta remember this film had a massive crew compared to the previous films. So as I said, I always feel like Spielberg was the intermediate. So a lot of the crew members and affects people and was with was the makeup artist whether it was the actual like. X. I reckon he spoke to a lot of those people in it's a lot of those guys. Who giving their impression that toby wasn't really the director it was really Spielberg. Also, what's very important to stress as. What happened publicly afterwards which is MGM. Who not only funded the film, but they were also the distributors of the film because their distribution arm at the time. If, you're going to sell a movie and. Barron Moines MGM was in was was kind of in financial dire straits the time I if I remember I read somewhere that of their eleven, twelve productions around this time. The only one that greedy may be money was poltergeist. So the fact that they had Spielberg onboard was a big thing for them because he was like the you know the most successful popular current filmmaker around. If you look at a lot of the material out there the initial material, they're really pushing Spielberg in the forefront. A Not Toby Hooper. Now, that's not necessarily surprising because you know I can imagine that would be the case. As we've say Gremlins Steven Spielberg presents. You know there was a Lotta movies where Spielberg's name was very much in the forefront or of large fault on the poster. But With. The discussion in rumors reports on the sets that Spielberg had ghosts directed, what some people were saying. I feel they were playing on that because if you look at the early marketing materials. If you look at the what I believe is the advance poster I'm not talking about the they're here poster that tagline the I Kona image of the little girl touching the TV screen on talking about the earlier poster where it's just like black image of the suburban buildings. The housing area on the Phil are featured in the film, the credits below and above lots of texts, and there are three paragraphs than the title of the film and the first paragraph is Steven Spielberg has been cold the American screen. Masters. Storyteller, from the thrashing, Tower of Jewels to the allston spectacle of close encounters of the third kind to the globe trotting adventure of Raiders of the lost, Ark. He has delighted mystified and scared more audiences more much than any filmmaker of our time. That's the first paragraph. The second paragraph on this poster is as producer and Co author of Poltergeists Spielberg is joined by co producer, frank. Marshall with whom he made as a loss stark then co authors, Michael Greece and Mark Victor, and then finally. Director Tobe Hooper is after the producer on the writers. At the ferry end. On. The Special Effects Wizardry of Oscar winner Richard Edlund Rockets Star Wars at industrial light and magic. They're really pushing Spielberg aspect there, and the next point I'm coming to was actually a bone of contention in terms of there was actually legal action about this but if you see the original trailer. On this is I believe I think I've seen it referred to as the international trailer, which may be it is but I think it's the definitely the American teaser trailer because one of those kind of traders that doesn't have any from the film where high few clips but it's different power normal export spurts talking about what poltergeist. Days. And if you look at the font. On that trailer. The phones for a Steven Spielberg production. On poltergeist are the same size whereas a toby hooper's name is the same size as metro-goldwyn-mayer, and even if I'm not mistaken, even the some of the actors mentioned job f Williams and not Nielsen on preacher street are slightly bigger than toby. So, you have this massive like Spielberg's name is as big as the title, and then the actors are second and third somewhere almost almost like small print in there is toby's name. This was an issue that was taken with the directors guild of America actually taking legal action against him. GM I. Believe the initial requests was for them to pay two hundred thousand in damages on for old traders to be a cold and. The style of the font and the size to be redone. But I think in the end it just came down to. Fifteen thousand dollars, the traders as they were playing in New York and cal a on Los Angeles. They were really taking advantage of them having Spielberg I'm really pushing him to the front, but then the postal that eventually came out with all the minimalist. They're here poster where it's notably pulled back it off the mention of Spielberg and also around this. Time there was the public letter open letter from Spielberg wanting to clear up any misunderstandings about quotes from his in the press about toby's position in the film. There's a lot of funny stuff going on there at also sorry something else to before I came to the actual the actual ending of the film was in post production toby handed in his cuts. Spielberg oversold the ferry final edits. Now, there's only small differences between the two I. I can imagine not to be honest until he was happy with what Spielberg did. But this point here is very important when people state it feels like a Spielberg film because don't get me wrong subject matter wise. Yeah. It does seem more like a Spielberg film than possibly a tobe hooper film but again, toby was making this kind of film with this Kinda juicer. So he wasn't making what he had made before. He was doing something else the content of story wise of a Nice family because when you think about it near the effect, all of the families you've seen prior to this point in toby films are negative. Ferry. Dark interpretations of family or depictions of family whereas this is actually a very wholesome nice depiction of a family and I think somebody who can get hung up on that but I think again all the superficial reading. But what is important Jerry Goldsmith at the score Jerry Goldsmith claims he never met toby at older in the film it was Spielberg who went through. That score, which is a good score and like it and it's not a fault but. I think if the score was different and it wasn't that Goldsmith score with the cues as overseen by Spielberg. Had, been toby doing it. Would have necessarily the more overt Spielberg feel to it because beats in the music in the melody and things I think that sounds more like a a spielberg film to me. So I reckon that when people are talking about how it feels like Spielberg film that comes into law as well. Those oldies elements going on behind the scenes that these elements to do with the post production of the film that was the marketing aspect of it where in the studio was more than happy to push the idea that Spielberg film and even if you look at a lot of interviews at the time with Spielberg, a lot of the time. They are interviews where he is talking about two films. He's talking about e t and he's talking about poltergeist. And in a lot of the interviews, he is talking about the as if he is the creative force behind them when you see any sort of press junket or any interview. Never here with the producer, they always want to hear it from the writer director or the actors you know whereas in this case, they have a director who happens to be the most famous director and biggest box office preview world time producing a movie and they have him talking if he's taken a very strong authorship of it. All of these elements put together are why that is ultimately toby's film. In that on the set Spielberg, took more of a strong firm organizational role in achieving what the two men devised prior to shooting that toby was in Nagoya for film fans love the idea of discovering something I know what? I do I love hearing like how would you know such and such really directed the film such did it for the credit because it didn't take credit for it because he couldn't he was blacklisted or or he couldn't because of union regulations and again, one of the stories was the ono toby really did want to always direct this but because he was working under contract with e t in universal, he couldn't do it or there was the. Strike coming up, and he couldn't do these two as these stories but it was always intended the toby was gonNA make it. There's a lot of people who just like to latch onto these things in troy to. Divulge a mystery or tried to pinpoint a mystery in what's going on when the two figures involved with claimed it was amicable in. Spielberg never really talked about it over the years. Idol is very. Overtly obvious on, say the BLU ray that came out with poltergeists that the extra on it is a documentary about paranormal activity is nothing actually about the making of the film. It was just such a contentious. Situation he never really wanted to talk about it and feel that. Toby's career suffered from it because that should have been a big. Push, for him and instead. People were saying what he didn't really make it though did he was the stooge or something? That's why in kind of the Pantheon of the seventy s American horror filmmakers or maybe nor from hurricane include include Kronenbourg I think he's somewhat slighted. He did have trouble getting gigs because after a poltergeist did the three films for cannon. And then after that, he was doing. A TV episodes see directed the pilot Freddy's nightmares. He directed an episode of the equalizer and into the nineties, there were a couple of films but it was more TV movies. There was a lot of those pilots was again episodes All the of a series you know he he really did kind of take a bit of a beating. I think home all over that whole controversy that we are still discussing today to what your plan for the book went to come out at the moment I am quite busy doing several visuals as for different BLU ray releases. Taken up on all of my time but I'm still doing my little bit of research for this toby project and to give you an example during lockdown, I made a deal with mark grants. Who who was a friend of Toby's Who restored eggshells a few years ago in also to Toby's already short films, the hosters and down Friday street which are to a lot of fun. But down Friday street is an absolutely amazing. wonderfully inventive experimental film I. I think it's incredible and an egg shells as well has mazing moments in it and certain elements in it that you can see you later in in other films of his in certain plot points in certain visual ideas. So over the summer during lockdown I actually did like a vice, the cinema website because we can show films I actually did like a vio de service of early films, and that was really interesting because I felt like I was really getting back into the the films because it was cutting trailers for them and always analyzing the film's again. Just WANNA was. prepping texts were. Summary A synopsis worked for the website or or whatever even the tech up. UPLOADING to get the films on Vod in things. So even if things seemed to kind of dip for a bit, I always seem to somehow come back up to something. So I'm just working away at the moment Again, I think the whole Povich nineteen situation My initial plans were pushed to the side, which was to actually make a proper dig. Into really getting into this book but at the moment, it's still going to be a bit slower still doing my research. I'm still going to quietly keep working on it. Tell me a little bit about this video essays who are you doing those for a my first video essay for the new American Blu Ray. Company Fund City additions, which is Seen by Jonathan Hertzberg Jonathan on myself have corresponded just chatting about different films, different actors, filmmakers, actresses, that we liked and when he decided to go ahead and. Have this company. He contacted me and said, would you be interested in doing a video essay or some video essays because of my filmmaking work you figured there might be some angle there. So the first one I've done one four is alphabet city, the Amos Poe film. which came out I can September. And the. Fun City additions are. Distributed with assist with sort of involvement from Vinegar Syndrome. It's not an offshot vendor vinegar syndrome which some people think but it's but they are involved in the distribution sort of thumb. Nail of the discs, the creation of this kind of thing. So they do have an involvement, but but Jonathan's baby and his company to get out. So that's the first disk and I'm really happy with that. The Essay has a music score by Gabby Bam Bam, who has her band bb. A. Barbecue tea. And we've been collaborating over the years I did a music video for her she scored two of my narrative shows. I thought she'd be a good fit for the music on Alphabet City. Because just logistics. You can't necessarily on like a an officially legally. Authorized video essay. From a studio, Willy Nilly just remove music from one scene put in another and things like that. I can just get a bit complicated so I just figured. It just be easier and unique installation fitting to have a new score that suited the film put for this video essay. The feedback so far has been good on that. Some really happy to to have that out there, and the second essay have is from editions as well, and that's for a wonderful underrated gem from David Green, a British filmmaker cold I start counting, which was Jenny Guitars first major film role and it's a wonderful film. And it's a film that's been on available for a long time or if available. Volya. Like crude heavily pixellated for is to three stretched out to sixteen nine copies on youtube whatever seeing it in its proper point five dimensions from the Interpol's These filaments are like forty, nine, fifty years old I believe you know so the it looks they look very strong and under the circumstances in the film looks great and it's a wonderful movie and Hopefully, one that will be. Given a second lease of life. From this blu-ray and a reevaluation, and I would just hope that the video essay that I put together with Gabby somehow adds something to the experience of viewing the film within the set of features. Chris Thank you so much for your time. This has been great talking with you I'm so glad that we were able to finally do this. And I thank you for having me. A. Christine as I was watching the beginning of poltergeist. I. Was reminded of the beginning of fire walk with me which we've already talked about that was not lost on me. I don't know if I ever ever realized that I watch these all of out of order. So I actually started with the remake. They really get into some ghosts being carried through electricity or entities traveling through electricity a lot more explicitly in the remake I really wish that they had explored that more. They're showing power lines. They're they're telling us to jumping from lightbulb also, and I mean all that stare in the original I don't feel like it was has explicit like look what's happening with this power plants for it around and man I'm not I don't I didn't love the remake but like if that's one thing that I own opportunity I, think it really missed to really dig into. Like what does it look like in our modern world to have have you know when we're all on devices not to sound like an old woman but when we're all looking at our phones, what is it like to have an entity travel until electronics and through Trinity Yeah? It's interesting. There was a discussion on We hate movies recently, they were talking about the ring and they were talking about, what is it now they're still making ring movies, but the idea of VHS tape that gets passed around. Just. Not a thing anymore, and I was even reading the. Remember which version of the ring it was because there have been so many and this was more recent one where you can download an APP for the movie and then roll make it look like ghosts have taken over your phone and I'm like if there's one thing I don't want is that goes to take off my phone. Thank you. I'd like how subtle they are when it comes to the beginning of the original poltergeist and that they're giving us hints early on about what's going to happen. Especially, this whole idea of unseen forces are going to ruin your lives are going to wreck havoc this whole thing of the guy on the bicycle with all the beer and that the kids their remote control cars and fuck him up and he spills the beer and smashes nuts, and then the whole TV war that goes on between Stephen and the next door neighbor with the remote controls. This is interesting I never really picked up on this whole idea of there being these unseen forces. I E modern conveniences or toys, and that they are going to be playing into this especially with television you know the first thing that we see is the television, and then the television is just ever-present I mean every single room in this house seems to have a television. I was surprised that the kids rooms didn't have televisions, but there's one in the living room. There's one the master bedroom and there's even one in the kitchen and I never really remembered Caralan turning on that TV or having that TV. In turn to static and like watching her friends through the static as he's sitting at the kitchen was like Oh okay, this is good. Fast eighties parenting don't be so. That television looking at static here watch this war movie as a child of the eighties I can't confirm. Still another thing about this movie I love. It embraces the technology that was kind of everywhere at that time in in modern movies I. Love and characters use their cell phones and use their devices like in the plot instead of like, oh, it's broken or somebody threw in the lake like a poltergeist doesn't swoop in and come through the TV and then break all the TV's or something it's it continues to be. Something that I mean we're we're all living with and they have to continue I just love that the way embraces it and continues to use it in the story. It's not like a conduit. It is a plot point and I I appreciate that Hey I don't know if you know this really good storytelling in this movie, it's probably top two movies of all time for me. I am continuously impressed by the efficiency that multiple different stories are being told and I love it, and I think you hit on a really great point, which is that it's introducing television into a supernatural world and introducing the suburbs into an super natural world which we had never seen before that I don't think I like the kind of horror that Spielberg was playing with until you're playing with in this movie is akin to what Stephen King was doing exactly the same time. Before that I feel like horror is still very much in the realm of the GOTHIC. It really hasn't been introduced into Middle Class Erica. It was really Stephen King who did that who you know somehow injected horror into. Average. Americans lives at that time and I feel like this movie did that as well in in a very significant way, and then it at the highest possible level because only somebody like Spielberg at that time could get a horror moving made at that price point poltergeist was a big movie. Alien may be headed a large budget but I, don't think and the shining of course had a large budget but I don't think many horror films prior to that were given that kind of a movie treatment and the technology that is being used to bring these images to screen were at the highest possible level because they were being produced by the alum. And people just hadn't seen that before the whole idea of moving horror into the suburbs was really brilliant. There is no dark old house in this. There is no creepy mansion where you have to spend the night in order to make five hundred thousand dollars or anything like that. This is. Just a regular family going about doing their thing not really seeming to hurt anybody. The only thing that seems to come up that makes them different as that. This was the first House Inquest Verde that they moved in during phase one, it seems like things really start to go to hell. When tweedy dies and when they bury tweety and then tweety grave gets dug up. We don't necessarily know that as tweety grave gets dug up. So do all these other graves dug up and that seems to really you know we've already seen the supernatural stuff happening, but that seems to really kick it up a notch as when tweety resting place gets disturbed it seems like well, fuck you to all the other dead people let her out here I. Mean I'm being somewhat facetious with that but not really because tweet these death is the. I. Think it might be the only death that we see an entire. We don't see tweety die but tweety dead and almost gets flushed down the toilet and we talk about hitchcock and the hidden world that the toilet and all that as well. But almost gets flushed out until Caralan ends up giving tweety of Pharaoh's burial with here's something to eat. Here's a blanket. Here's something that will make it smell nice. Then Robbie with his. Whole crass when it decomposes can we dig it up and look at its balance and it's like Oh. Kid You'RE GONNA see a lot of bones before this is over it's super analogous to the rest of the movie obviously. But like I feel like whether or not is is just a an adorable sweet empathetic lovely child that this is her friend that died. and. She wants to make sure he's as comfortable as possible or she knows this is this little bird. I can speak to this little bird. This little bird is communicating with me through the through the ether I don't I don't know I tend to believe that she was just a lovely little girl that wanted to take care of her or pet but it. Really. Solidifies in light in the movie. She's sweet and beautiful and lovely, and Oh, who wouldn't want a kid or a sister like that and then like Oh that is also the reason why maybe she gets targeted? Yeah. When she says tweety doesn't like that smell and never really picked up on that before as far as is she communing with the dead right now? Aiming in either way you look at it it's still not but also like that's the thing that a kid would say, this is my bird I know this bird that my bird doesn't like that part makes me cry still rewatching. It's normal I have something in my eye but I know it's coming but there's just something. Innocent and sweet about it that really really is is unique and special in this movie I think and I love her little laugh line of can I have a goldfish now as soon as tweets and the ground? Right, that's authentic to a little child do like, okay done and dusted. Let's move on what can what we do now that's fun. I love it. It's very authentic. The reactions in the dialogue of the children. oftentimes when you have a obviously, kids aren't gonNA write their dialogue when you have adults writing dialogue for children sometimes what like? A grown up thinking would say not what a kid would say and I am not just their dialogue but the all the children's reactions in this are so authentic to to children like rob I know we'll talk about it but Robbie's relationship with the clown like it's all very much what a kid would think and what would scare a kid and I you it's so easy to get wrapped up in the world. The movie creates because you're like, yeah I would've thought that about that clown to it's creepy I feel like that seen the family gathered where there is. Actually a new rubber. Her multiple stories that are overlaid with each other dialogue that's overly overlaid with each other and a sense of chaos and authenticity. That is kind of the same scene that you see jaws and you see it in close encounters and you see it in poltergeist and you see. Like he's remained the same seen. Each movie brilliantly, but it's the same scene. And that's why. indelibly feels like Spielberg like it doesn't feel like toby because I've never seen that in any tobe hooper film that preceded that W. Film the politic it just feels like Spielberg. Yeah. When those kids are fighting around the table I was just waiting for one of them to call another one penis breath which. Stuck to me as one of those inappropriate lines in. And just makes me cringe every time the dialogue and the performances are so nimble in this movie, and this is where I would believe I think toby gets good performances like I believe that was him. It plays like a comedy, the rhythm, the cadence of the dialogue, the turns, and the little subtle looks that they have to each other is effectively comedy and it's hugely played and those actors are magnificent. Every single one of them especially Craig t mills new job with I really like job at boy because I think. Playing suburban mom has probably got to be one of the hardest parts that you could ever get and she invested with such emotion and authenticity into reverence. I never understood why job ethylene have a bigger careers actress maybe just because he wasn't actress and people. Parts, actors or actresses, but she's amazing. Well, at some point she turned and that was it you. It's so unfair I the heart of the movie because her connection with Caroline feels one hundred percent authentic and when she loses her daughter, you feel that loss and when she feels her daughter, you believe that she feels her daughter it's I. She's amazing even in you know as. A sequel again in. Both of them are really trip us to actors urges outstanding. T Dell said until if you guys. Hear what you think but he doesn't look like Harrison Ford, but he sounds like I am. A, hundred percent. Yes. He has big. See absolutely does and he I wish he ended up getting more Harrison, Ford like roles. Because I think he's tremendous and very washable and half that kind of like Harrison Ford does that like grumpy like. Disagreeable air but like, oh, he's we like them you WanNa hang out with him. He's the he's he's nice. Be Nice to me exact kind of kind of energy and I appreciate that and yes just to reiterate or agree with everything you just said Joe Beth Williams is the. Best thing about this movie phenomenal and amazing. Best mom every time I watch it. I love my mom but I'm like, Oh, I hope ethylene says the best mom in this movement she just has so much so much real emotion and it just I can imagine it must have been exhausting for her she just seems so raw all the time and so believable and it really again, another thing that helps you get invested in this story is just Seems to that character and that actress and I love her and I wish she had been in everything I love how female centric this movie is this whole idea of when the parapsychologists come in it's the one woman parapsychologists and then the two younger guys and the guys are just like the helpers she's the center of that relationship after they have their initial exposure to the paranormal, the scene of Diane with Robbie on her and then the doctor Dr. Lesha think it is coming over and taking a drink and it's like they're it's like They're swapping stories before the next battle. It feels like a war movie. In this point here it is calm before the storm we're going to have this conversation. We're going to talk about what matters to us and then we're going to go on with the rest of this movie and then who say's caroline it's Diane who's there with her while it's Dr Lashing then it's it's Gina. So it's like okay, Great. You know it's this whole female centric thing. The guys are just there to basically carry the bags that was not lost on young me. I think that's probably why this is stayed one of my favorite movies to see that senior talking about with Dr Lesch and Diane to see two women one of them in older woman not talking about boys just at some at some Bechtel tests stuff like they're just having a conversation. You don't. You don't see that now that often but then especially in it is very speaks to you even if you don't realize it like as as go watching John Movies. The the how female it is and how powerful the females are in it is just I mean, it's it's affecting and. It means a lot when you're little and you can see different aspects of femininity represented different age groups, I appreciate it, and when Dr Lush comes in with her two helpers. That's very much what insidious did with. Its tire, normal investigator and her two dudes that come in with our. And I like that too. It's a fun thing. I wish more more or movies did that hey, everybody steal from poltergeist for your modern harm? And that's probably a good segue to Zelda Rubinstein Oh God. Yeah. What a force of nature when she shows up in this movie it's just I'm so glad 'cause there's a little bit of awkwardness around her introduction as far as so lash at one point she's like, Hey, I have to go away. I'm taking the other doctor with me I'm leaving one of my dudes here leaving Ryan with you but I'll come back and come back with help. This is almost like that moment the native Americans are outside and they're shooting arrows at the house and like she's going to escape and come back with cavalry. So the cavalry in this case is elder Rubinstein just amazing when she shows up. It's a brilliant maneuver because let's face it. It's a one location film. There's hardly any scenes outside of the immediate area of the house. There's maybe one scene where they go to the university that I believe that's just about it. Then there's just the other with Mr Teague when they go out and there's that beautiful matte painting of the cemetery effectively, it's a one. Location movie and I can tell you from experience is very difficult to raise the three extra on when location and keep it interesting when ten genus shows up the move of the moves into another gear like the movie and the movie needed to move into another gear otherwise, it was going to become repetitive, and then of course, she's magnificent and unexpected in funny and. Again so American but to me that. A reference to the national enquirer in the movie I can't remember but That that kind of weird crazy American spiritualism. That is represented by her. It's just Crazy goofy and yet somehow because she could have been ridiculous they invest real debt in that care. And you by the time, she says, this house is clean. She's kind of like a superhero. It's an extraordinary thing to do these days. Yeah. We've got the Long Island medium and there are some other popular mediums out there crossing over show a few years ago. But in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, we still had jeane Dixon was still all over the place we had mediums that were. On TV which I don't know if people remember just like how I've talked about like how in the seventies the world was just spiritually crazy especially United States fucking nuts when it came to like spiritualism and stuff. So that's probably when this parapsychology division get started and of course, they know tingey and because she has this powerful psychic energy and they bring her in I kinda like that we don't. have to sit through the doctor lash going to her and talking her into this and just she shows up and she's there and she's wonderful and I love that Steven and Diane can't keep a straight face when she first shows up that he's making Munchkin jokes about which side of the rainbow are reworking all this kind of stuff and then when they finally when she. Does. Her stuff they quit laughing. It's an amazing feat like believe me to have somebody who is physically likes to walk into that movie and for knocked to like slip into camp or just become ridiculous laughable is an extraordinary feat as you take the film this kind of magnificent in the way that it is totally engineered it is a very difficult thing to introduce the craziness. Plead, insanity that's this film into a conventional environment like a suburb without it becoming ridiculous without the movie becoming ridiculous. It has a very, very death hand that is phenomenally difficult thing to do and I know that because the movies that I've ever done it and she's perfect example of that that somehow the film continues to escalate it starts at a pretty high pitched. I don't know how when did Robbie get by the tree it's probably only thirty thirty, six minutes in. Yeah. Right and he's eaten by a tree. So where do you go? From there. Yeah. That's A. Bill. and. Without Just. GonNa agree with you. I'm I'm excited to agree with you because that that's the thing I was screaming about watching this time is that the fishes is so perfect and I kept saying that house the escalations perfect in this because I always forget you out swinging it immediately launches into it. We don't have to sit there for a half an hour and get to know this family. It efficiently rolls out all these important details while doing this. Crazy. Stuff and we're just in it with them and I think that helps but you're completely right. The escalation is just pitch perfect throughout and I think you said this earlier to Vincenzo, it never gets repetitive and I am in awe of that that ability to revisit sets and revisit rooms and a closet in the pool but it does something new and heightens at every single time and that that just so impressive to me, your is incredibly difficult thing to do. Mean, the movie is crate like unhinged. It doesn't. It doesn't really make sense actually I think it's a perfect example of a film that represents what the Alfred Hitchcock Axiom that emotion over logic there is no poltergeist in the movie. Really. Something well, scary to lay on you. Okay. So Strange things happening in this house furniture keeps disappearing plates keep losing about the place. The table is shrinking. I found my guitar. On the fire it means we've got a poll to. At least as I understand what a poltergeist supposed to be, it's not. I don't really at the end of the day. I'm not even sure what was in the house, but I don't think it matters because you are so deeply connected to the family in the fate of this little girl, the the Richard Matheson influence, which is little girl lost the twilight zone episode where the girl disappears. I'm sure for Spielberg that was the his her a ha moment because data is the emotional lynch pin of the hope. And because you are so invested in that emotional connection and the fact that this girl disappears, it becomes more than just the haunted house movie because more than just fun has ride talking about pacing into Su thirty, six minutes in as when the tree attacks and our and thirty three minutes in just about an hour later is when tangent says, this house is clean. We still have a whole other half hour to go before this movies over. It's amazing. That they can make by it that they are. Okay. Sticking around in this house for a little bit before they leave. There's also that weird lime where they're talking about going out and staying at the Holiday Inn and I seventy four and Dana says Oh yeah I remember that place like she's been sleeping around out there the fuck I live data and I wish he was movie one, hundred percent more than she is she's she's so funny and so. Weird stereotype of teenage. Girl in the eighties and I love the implications like Oh. Yeah. She hooked up with her boyfriend at the holiday and like freaking Dana. Nice holiday into it seems Nice. Oh? Yeah. Yeah. But then to just pile in all that extra stuff in those next few minutes, the clown attack, the one that gets me there. Well, there's that what I call the entity attack where she's almost raped in the bed and the spirits flipping or up on the walls. But when she goes to rescue the kids the scariest moment for me in this whole movie is that big CG creature that's. In front of the door that roars at her like the MGM lion and just scares the shit out of me when that thing just appears and that is cut together so nicely that it just looks so real to me I I love that creature I feel like the is worth doing all the work that was done by alum there is a visual language to the way these things are represented that. Deep into the culture, you can't really imagine ghostbusters existing without poltergeist because poltergeist established a certain kind of lexicon of visual images for what Gosar that then those busters lampooned. But if you didn't older guys, you wouldn't have you would have ghostbusters. Craig reardon is worth noting because I think he's an amazing makeup effects artists in really quality. Of those things. Not, only do you have album doing those effects and then the makeup of facts but then you have just old school, we're going to turn this room upside down or turn it over, and that's how we're going to have all the shit fly into the closet. That's perfect. It's such. I can't say it's a simple effects because I've seen the rig that they have to move this frigging house around her room around. It's not a simple thing. But my God is an effective thing and so super scary. The whole thing of of Caroline just holding on for dear life as everything's being sucked into that closet. Absolutely terrifying. Yes and the idea of introducing actor of Lesm and a biological component the spirit world, which again is something I. I don't think I had seen before I'm not sure I'm not sure where it comes from maybe it comes from actual documentation about these sort of incidents but. Feels to me like older guys was one of the first movies. Can. Physical. Is some of this stuff like when when caroline and Diane Return from the spirit world they don't come out like in clean clothes they come covered in placenta. Is a total rebirth moment. Yeah, and even the rope is the umbilical cord. Right is a very physical kind of thing like it is. That's a big innovation you know in the mythology and the in the in the kind of imagery. Associated with Jarrah has a pretty big step forward I wanna say that ectoplasms goes back to the early days of mediums like in the turn of the century where they would conjure ECTOPLASMS and I don't know what it was necessarily made out of, but they would also like form it into the faces of the loved ones that people were trying to talk to. There was ectoplasms back then but I don't know if it was the same slime that. That Egon likes to collect. Spores, molds, and fungus. Around in the Victorian. As well, like the images of like. Organic matter floating off of people's fingers and hands to represent some. Conjuring of spirit or connecting with the spirit, but it could be like, oh, well, he they were just ripping on that but it escalates like it's not just that that matter that looks like after birth it's when when the closet opens up again, that's all organic matter, the inside of a Pumpkin and that like tentacle comes out. So it it takes idea heightens even more and that again I think is a genius way to keep it from feeling. Repetitive we'll the closet back, but it's not. It's completely different than what you remember. It's even more awful. Now, it's like a big mouth that's trying to suck you in. It's so scary because it's like what can't this entity do? It's showing just like flashes of light in now it's organic matter where where's it conjuring this from? It's it's very interesting and I think that Proto Plaza is also on Robbie when he gets pulled out of the trees. Mouth because he he definitely gets scraped up quite a bit and I think on his nose he scraped up but he does have on him and it's like, okay I guess this is the same stuff and then yeah, they are just absolutely covered with it and you're right. It's such a rebirth and then even putting them in the top and having them reawakened by wiping off the the baby's basically it's it's quite a nice scene I didn't notice. Too, and I'm curious if the ghosts were offended because Diane gets that streak a gray in her hair and then she goes to color it the night before they leave and it seems like hell breaks loose when she gets into the bed and its coloring your hair like you know, hey, we gave that to you don't don't don't throw your nose up at our Bonnie Raitt. White Stripe. For you I liked her also Lancaster Brighter Frankenstein strips right. Even go. Yes. She would've had a great costume come Halloween time. The playfulness of the moving is really really wonderful I feel like. I don't to be too hard on the remake because I think. There are some really fine filmmaking, but definitely, just so dour. I watched both films. In the short amount of time both the first movie is just so full of life like it is in his such a playful. You feel. Like making probably horrible. But it feels like it was fun. It feels like the people making it were just you can feel the energy that's going into it. It is such a an again it's the Spielberg thing and particularly up that time I feel like it was gloating with ideas. There are so many things going on all the time like on every level whether it's the cinematography with the incredible lading that they did like in the closet that whole lighting effect which I guess they use probably a million fish tanks full of water and not have to talk like or. Just the choreography of the first two minutes of the movie with a guy on the bike and the race cars, the remote race cars knocking him off the bike it is. Movie is just exploded with youthful energy. The youthful filmmaking energy it is it is in the performances in the same way to it is a very lovely film unique in that way like in the horror I, don't think there are a lot of films that. Maybe, Sam Arabia kind of goes to that place as well where you just feel the you feel you actually feel pleasure not makers having making this movie and therefore it's fun to watch. This has that in spades. I was surprised that some of the laugh lines that I forgot where there when. Ten Gina is going to save caroline and Diane insists on her being the one and she's like you've never done this before I. Know Neither have you and then ten there's like, okay, you go. And it's like this is one of the most tense moments of the film and they throw Laflin in there. Literally, it reminds me of Saleh, in Raiders of the Lost Ark say asks Dangerous Hugo I. While and then all of those corpses that are popping out like literally popping out and shooting out of the ground, and especially when Diana, a Diana's in the pool with all of those corpses I'm just like, okay. Yeah. I just poor. Marian. Go through this but this is even more horrific for me when she slides back into the pool as one of my favorite moments i. Just and I you know there's a little bit of like and Naughty boy kind of thing. I guess famously Spielberg tortured his sisters blend practical jokes and you Kinda feel that in this movie like. Feel lucky. Torturing this four active by sliding back into the pool of corpses which I guess we're real skeletons. I am mildly terrified. They'll even though like the coffins popping out are kind of funny looking like the veracity with which they get thrown from the ground but it's still scary I don and there's I. think there's an earnestness to this movie that. I think is lacking a lot of horror. For some reason, horror is often approached like I, don't know a certain level of like meanness or. Just like And there's something really earnest in hopeful about this and I think that's what makes it continues to make it. Unique dot is kind of something that was missing from the remake. was I I didn't route. I. Didn't want to root for anybody but I root for every character in this even if maybe Oh, they made a choice I wouldn't have made or maybe maybe Stephen could have been a little bit less harsh with gene about like I get why he did it in the moment because the movie made me believe all the characters and. I appreciate that because it. Not Easy to do because if it was, you'd see it more off. Let's go ahead and take another break and we're going to play a pair of interviews I up as Robbie freeling himself, Mr. Robbins. Is the second part of the interview that I did with him. For the first part, we discussed his latest film celebrity crush. 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Twelve stations so I used to watch like Brady Bunch and all these shows and seeing the kids on that and I was like you know I could do this but it was really young time, and then my parents moved to California. and and tell them again I. You know I'd like to act in movies and they thought it was really kinda joking after I talked about it. So many times I said, okay we'll put you on a commercial workshop class and so finally the class into the class, my parents thought it would just end but instead the teacher was like you know is run by this teacher named Sheila Manning to the top casting agent at the time and she offers pretty good. You know he could do this professionally if. You is wanted and my parents were like well perjure pretty conservative and my mom didn't want me to be involved with that and my dad thought that you know child acting was one step above child pornography and they didn't know anything really about entertainment through my dad's on Wall Street my mom was a fashion editor on you know in Manhattan. So I persuaded them I said I'd really like that. So they called the casting up and introduce me to a couple of agents I remember I, I was introduced. One agent called her Tannin at the time. They were like like the top child acting agency. They sent me on my very first additional when I met them that. Dan. All addition for like a pizza commercial do you WanNa? Go I'm like I'm okay why not I never been on an ad before and I got there and they said to me over here we want you to pretend like this pizzas the most delicious thing you've ever had in your life was like this cold horrible like day. Old, Pizza. And the guys in the size office, I mean, all the producers and director there and I think I gave like the worst acting ever done in my life but I'm really glad I'm really glad that happened because then for not on I learned what it really needs to do, and I got over my stagefright well, actually, I never got my stage fright but I learned kind of what you need to do on these additions. So that's how I got into acting. It's what year was that how old were you? I was I think it was like eight and a half years old right around that age. Sound, really young too. So those really gigs like he just doing a lot of commercials. I know he's done a couple of when over guys my very first commercial was fertilizer commercial and you're gonNA. Laugh I star of the courtroom start with me was the man who wrote a scam by among other movie called. Star. Matt and you know a lot of people are you know now and then would act in commercials kind of pay the bills. So he was a a writer who I, you know sold his scripts yet, and so it just turned out that Ray Gideon was my dad in this ad for fertilizer commercial it's a really small world and it was It was fun to do and and they kinda got me into film indirectly because I wasn't hitting mark I. Didn't know what I was doing and it really didn't understand what the camera with the purpose of the camera was I knew record image but that was pretty much it and it wasn't my marking the director said to me says over all and he's a really wonderful nice man he could yelled at me which happened to be like later in my life I'm glad it didn't happen then or otherwise my acting career might have ended that point he said I want you to come around and my side of the camera looks at the camera and once you've. Seen and I need you to hit hit your mark in the markets were the cameras going to be in focus so if you don't hit that, we don't see you. So I totally quit after I, saw that and I said Oh my God look looking at the camera like planning the shots and that kind of start up a bit of bug in me and I kinda wanted to just continue after that. As you're going to school are you than acting in plays as because obviously, you're not spotting your family they're not turning out to be the breadwinner anything. But how are you supporting your passion I? Suppose I get both I want so many auditions growing up. You know it's funny people think you'd get a lot of the parts and you think just because you're older guys, you get every part you up when in fact he really didn't I wanna for hundreds of roles and I had a lot of competition and come really close on a lot of movies that we all know and for me you. Know I really wasn't doing it just I just love going on edition and I had a lot of friends i. saw them during the auditions and it really at that time you know actor at least all actors I'm not sure if it's really like this day unless they're very small close knit world and we didn't Katie other wasn't like you got that part of it and I'm angry at you. We all just did what we did. We love doing it and we understood that it wasn't personal that they'll makers were looking for a specific kind of role and a personality what that role I did A. Lot of acting in high school in Elementary. School. I even active I remember rack pulled it is split on I acted and still light with my my fifth grade class and I grew up in Los Angeles and you know a lot of my peers were professional child actors. So you you got some good good actors. You know what's a high school main Oakwood high and Oakwood churned out a lot of talented. You know actors and filmmakers I went to School Kearney Wilson and fleetwood Mac's daughter, and all these people who went on to become professional adult actors Adam Goldberg I act a play with. Him? In, high school I just love acting in anything that could really act in and even if I didn't get the biggest part which I most likely didn't because honestly, there was always someone better than me for that role I just like working at the team and I just love the camaraderie eater. So help me out as far as what comes first because I know things are shot way before they can be released a lot of times. So because, in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, there were two TV movies came out there was airplane to ample took Eissa. came out what came first for you. I, what polls are guys, and we shot that and that came out I, believe I June fourth nineteen two. But was shot it like a year before because it takes that long. You know the makeup film put it through post production. So that was the first thing I did and then I think I did I think I did right after I think airplane to like immediately after and I just loved airports so much that and all my friends love. And when they announced, they were GONNA do airplane to I told my agent or any parts in there for me and we'll bowl there was and I got the and I went into the audition and I was really lucky they love being like Albert. We Love you be an airplane to, and that was just such a joy can make the everyone was so nice. I'm not set to me everyone from haggerty Robert as I warned us later in life a lot of doctors are actually intimidated by you know by two things I think. W. They're committed by children, shockers and animals because they can steal the scene. And and learn that actually was true. Is there kind of scared of those two kinds of people? and I considered animals be people too. So I'm not set they're just embrace me and I had a blast and the you know let me with lines and I just had a great time and I wasn't screaming which was like a really nice break from because it was all here on my movie was while I was terrified of something and everybody got to take highs mathies and joke around you over the top and. The. Bigger than life kind of person and not played very real. Did they shoot that in California? Yes. They shot it a paramount and other really fun watching me on. It was like old fashioned studio and a bicycle and I wrote my bike around. Yeah. They actually had an arcade of mini arcade paramount and it lunch The Kid I was like ten years old. This is the eighty early eighties I played a game called. exacts on every day at once that was like my ritual go to lunch and then I'd plays Exxon. You know again like today it'd be like what's really the big deal play them on our phone but the only way to clean the game then was an arcade in new on school and you would never get to do that during your school day but instead, it was exact song that was of like the highlight of. My time on airplane to I know confinements based more in Toronto at least. That's where he's at states. I. Wasn't sure if this was in the Hollywood north days or still everything was being shot in California Espn. So what's a wonderful manuals? So kind to me too and you know honestly, I wasn't great memorizing lot not even great today memorizing lines and paramount. You had your lines to a team and I, remember the script is. If I missed even like a like an article of any kind so can defend these. You know calm down calm down. It's okay. It's okay. Ten years old. So you can was just a wonderful man I. Remember it was really difficult for him on that show because he was he was just consistently fighting the studio. The studio wanted to do a complete. Redo. As they always do of the original and he had all these original, all these great jokes. So I remember he spent so much time up in the boardroom like fighting for what he believed him and it kind of taught me 'cause I saw once come back to set and I said, can you know what's what's? Wrong in my ten year old style way and he said Oh nothing all over and I can see that he was upset and I was to to that and it showed me you know if you have a vision, you have an idea, a Lotta people are going to see it. They're never going to see a lot of people might hate what you're doing. But if you believe in him, he got five four and that's what I learned if that if that very young age with Ken took me a little bit more about your experience on poltergeist. You said that you were screaming all the time and the more I think about it poor Robbie freeling he's abused consistently through. These caroline gets to escape and go through the TV. We've always asked me to oliver you terrified when you're doing everything goes so scary movie especially for then and I tell them I said no, and they're really shocked and explain you know when he should've movie especially over several months it's completely shot out of order and it's all special effects and this is before even we can even see things immediately there were there were no digital effects we're at the point where you know shot order. and. I said, I said Toby, who's the director I should toby what am I string? What am I so scared of and he said we don't know yet. But Ions GonNa put it in and it's the scariest thing of possibly think so I just thought that to my child's in Oh I believe I grew up in the site content townhouse I mean you're seeing a little Boy. So I kinda tapped into those fears. I wasn't afraid at all said a matter of fact it was the best time I ever had. It was like Ham Frank Marshall, the producer and Kennedy and toby and Steven. They've read it such a fun. Suffer the and I remember like, Marshall Let's say over we're we're getting we're going to go back the MGM YOU'RE GONNA play all These toys you're GONNA have you're not the best time in Franken Kathleen were such sweethearts and so kind to me, and it's just wonderful production I. Think I think in all Steven's team were amazing and such really really nice people and I didn't realize how special those crew people not set was until I was another movies where things were a little more tense and I'm just so. Glad and I was so privileged to get the opportunity to work on my first film with those people these days I hear a lot of actors talk about how they're shot against a green screen and they're acting against tennis balls. I know you weren't shot against the green screen but what were you reacting to manage sticks? They literally were standing there on set and like when he? Goes, coming down the stairs or like for instance is once you never remember what more we I see you know video recorded all those coming on stairs. We rushed to the video monitors and we're looking at the monitors who are they who are those people were looking at boxes we're not looking at anything you know, and then they didn't insert into the river shot and we see. Them, walking down the stairs and go. So it was always like that. We're always looking pretty much nothing just give us an online and see that piece of dirt on the wall or that a piece of tape. Well, that's your airline guys and the ghost is there and then we'll go to the right. So just look six each year right and look back at the thing they'd always. Like that that's pretty much what we're looking at. We weren't there wasn't at the point we could actually do an entire green screen. We had blue screen on poltergeist to Omer astronaut mentioned but see a lot of these digital effects we're not around really fight yet a mid eighties tell me a little bit. How did they do the tree effect for you? You know such an interesting process and it was challenging in a lot of ways because you have to remember it did not have CGI at all. So it's all had to be practical effects on the. Obstacles like throwing the you know rotor scope some some things out but they what they did it they five different trees, one Sri for the arts. You know the shot trees coming in and it looks like a grabs the taking see how that tree and then you have a tree worth eating and all that was that was the least of lowest common denominator of special affecting and think of it was just me on a platform pretending to be eaten myself in. So the festival effect really there it was just the tree you know set. and. ME acting pretending to be and then you have the big tree, the tree, the far shot, and then you had you had in England, another couple angles of the tree and so basically two weeks on various sets on stages and MGM, and that was really how did the whole sequence so it was all practical and I think you know because it is practical it. It actually looks more real than you know than if they'd had she jab because you know let's face it. A lot of the D. I do will it looks like a video. You said that you were tired of screaming and I I have to ask, did they bring you back into loop a lot of your screaming or was that shot on the stage? The scenes were were sitting there talking shocking on stage a lot did not happy eighty are you know maybe a little? Maybe there was some production sound that wasn't perfect for the most part I don't think those are really remember. everyone in the screaming seems all of those things were yard I mean everything and I think if you're in a big action movie or a special effectively, you're going to be eighty are most your lines because there's no way you can save the production for that production simply kinds of guide track. She can kind of get back to that moment when you are Nayyar when it came to the sequel. That pretty much a given or had already been signed up for a was that part of your contract that if there's a sequel major part of it. Now, you know there was no discussion sequel I think originally did the first movie while we were shooting the movie people thought Oh my God the dailies are amazing and people really began to understand the some might have like there's some kind of people might like it. So then people onset half-jokingly were saying we'll get ready for the Cinco on. Day Even Big Steve You have no idea of ever see. You don't even noticing me success. You don't even know if you were going to like it otherwise I guess every movie studio make would be be a blockbuster so not until like the film came out and they waited a little bit of time to actually do it. So I got a call. Too. Late and they said, hey, we're going to be doing a sequel. Do you want to be you know might sure I was actually a little hesitant they had me come to the studio and they said Okay we have this vision for the scene over and I said okay. What is and they knew I looked in them in the eye and I could tell that was something they thought that I might not like their right they wanted to cover my body entirely. These I'm not joking head to toe would be because they wanted to sequence the bees were actually talking. And so I said no way knocking can't do it and I said, don't don't sing offer and remember this time. I'm like a precocious fourteen year old kid. So, they have come back the studio and they actually had a of being trainer guy like A. B.. Rancor in Hollywood they have those kind of people they said, look we have we can training the bees the bees will you know won't take command and the Beasley toppy wherever don't worry because when we give them the trainer give man the wrangler gives the command the bees will jump onto you and I said, okay, I said, okay seeing is believing I I wanna see a train be. So. They actually did they actually brought me into the production office and they sat me down and the guy brought in like trae of beasts, and meanwhile, of course, I'm terrified beings I I finally awarded to. And he takes a be out and he's like look I'm going to give it a command and it'll jump off. He tried that it didn't call the command be. Totally ignored and I said, okay, well, there it goes I, I'm not doing it. I'm not going to be seeing but you know as a result of that and this is really true. My making they'll make was forced to go okay. What are we going to? So. The braces braces are much more in tune to my character. Kid going through puberty and everyone can identify operates is far more than ever done vs 'cause. That's cool with the be attacking but the same pretty generic and it has a message not character-driven at this point till the braces that collecting about how revisiting that character and especially those other actors that you had gotten. So close with like you said, it was like summer camp. How is it going to camp for years later? It was like we just went back in time and we've moved back to that moment. It was like nothing really changing we've got along so well. And I learned. Donate, her later in life that's not always the case a lot of actors the at least don't like activator onscreen or they're just tolerating one another. We love each other and you know drove up between the mom to me and Craig preteen and it was so cool and calm and collapsed. And he was just so funny and you know we Michael Gerson Mark. Victor who were Stephen on original draft of and they will to drop the second one. They were just cool. Nice Guy. So everyone production was wonderful. Unfortunately, the director was was under duress at that time. So I really didn't get a good understanding of his true capabilities Brian Gibson and there's a moving leaker myself. Now I understood you can't really judge on simply on one movie or you know you don't understand the circumstances they're they're under and later that you know the studio was under pressure MGM to actually sell the studio and they actually were thinking of actually camping the corruption halfway through so. Brian gift since he was completely under the DOS entire time. So he was probably under summer TERRESA I can't even imagine sure it aged him. So it made them hard meanwhile on this coaches obnoxious American kid he's British and I told him what I thought it half the time and I don't think he was quite used to that. I think he got used the in life of working with the American actors I. Never Fall in line I fight him and I've questioned everything. So I guess I was on trouble as a kid. But at the same time I did that on poltergeist and loved it and it really was like a team effort that was kind of a little bit of different dynamic and poltergeist to did they ask you back for took three? No they never did I think all the trouble maker that's why getting. I don't know I think it was really due to budget. I only anyone was really ass back on that and the director I've never seen it I know I should but but I understand you did a great job with all of the possible effects and they didn't have a lot of money in as moviemaker name. I really appreciate that when you have the limited resources of very fast schedule, he really did some you know highly creative things with my understand. Thanks again to Oliver Robins for taking the time to talk again in here the other part of our conversation over at www projection with PODCASTS ADT com. Up Next, we'll hear from Mark Victor, about his work I'm poltergeist and about his earlier days in show business, I was actually practicing law, which actually taught me how to write and how to leave clues and I had a great professor who told me once you know you're writing a brief but the judges he's getting in bed at night and after a couple of drinks. So you better say what you gotTa Say A. Compelling manner which applies to all writing of anything but I took that to heart I started writing with writing partner would done a rewrite on TV show and then he came out to whereas practicing laud hit me right with him. So I wrote a Baretta. And Starsky and Hutch was really sort of the. First full saying way back when I was twenty two or something I. Don't know. Then we wrote a script on SPEC and we were we're sure to recognized as challenge read around the town we called it. Arctic rampage should turned into a movie called Font. With the Charles Bronson Leave Marvin and Angie Dickinson and so that was pretty exciting and then the. Scripts we had written couple SPEC in movies Spielberg read them and asked to meet with us. So we did something we'd written a comedy called turn left or die that he loved was about air traffic controllers, and so we're trying to find something to do together and I you want us to do a guy named. Joe. which we didn't really. WanNa do is talking about the ghost movie we said, well, we rather right a ghost movie and so that's how that evolved. Can you tell me a little bit about your writing partner is Michael Grace is that how you saying? I read a little thing that he wrote for a book of about screenwriters and it sounds like. He might have been the the tea or Superego. He seemed like kind of a wild child. Yeah. There was a book a long time ago I think I got asked to write a chapter never did it. I would have to get the content of it but I would say he he brought some different emotions to the table. If it's a fair way of saying that I can't believe you're out there practicing law and then. Move into the screenplay and writing business. Well I. wrote something after college and before law the Kinda got my mind high before that I had been a sort of jock. Getting me into college and then a law school kind of got my mind going. But the year before law school I went and wrote something on Some Island and remote islands in the Caribbean that got my mind. I kinda like the process so I figured. They were negotiating to make me a partner and I was thinking well, if I do that I'll be doing that the rest of my life so I might as well give this a tribe now. So I, took my eight to say this. Is an example but my wife and six week old baby and left the practice of law and drove to La. That is incredible. Thank you just had that. Let's do that. Or Stupidity You could call it whatever you want. That's what happened. So when you meet with Steven Spielberg and he's pitching these things, you know what would eventually become always and then talking about go stories I mean how formed was that idea when you guys initially started talking? Well, initially, he was talking to Kubrick the shining and Kubrick, and he sort of couldn't agree on writing credits or how would be done. He. Came to us and see if we wanted to write it and it wasn't very formed at all. You know we sat down and started doing no cards for scenes and You know doing a lot of research. Even idea was you know he wanted to do a suburban goes story so that was sort of A. More of a general thing I don't know I. Guess that was the Genesis Saudis, the the story finally, start the form into what we know now as poltergeist. Well, we adopted a a writing method that I think was kind of fun and different. We would do research on cards, and then if we had scenes, we liked we would pin them up on a wall and we would color code them. So the most intense scenes were in read. the least intense were in white, and you could actually stand back from the wall and see your movie. If it's way to really long time, you know it's going to be boring and if it's our read forever, you're not getting some reps in there. that was sort of the I think the first time we had tried doing it their way and it worked out very well, and that scene started coming about etcetera etcetera. So is it the two of you working together primarily and then super checks in or how does that because I think all three of Your names are on the screenplay. How did you actually collaborate within? Well, there was a a collaboration agreement. So the credits with sort of predetermined. So to speak and we would meet occasionally in you know run stuff by even you know he had his own ideas, etc. You know what he wanted to do. I. Think that any we were willing to be a little more vicious than he was. We wanted to kill somebody want to kill anybody and he said you could kill one person and you know joking around we said, well, we're what about the little girl? The family is so important to that film. Did you model out of anybody that you knew or did you just say this is going to be the configuration of this family? There's a familiarity to it and everybody has little things they grew up on that. Scared them. You know I, remember a tree outside my window that would you know take shape? At night. The family itself you'll probably find this and hindsight being a little strange I think was the first movie ever done where the parents were normal suburban parents were there were shown smoking pot which I don't think we've ever seen the movie for a lot of things we thought we were doing let's say I now don't exist. You know the TV ended with the national anthem and went off the air. Well, you know when we were growing up, that's how they channels ended at like midnight. You know they're just all these things now they kinda stick out. But the family was just treated as sort of normal people with good relationship. There wasn't a psychological issue related to perhaps in the sequel. We dug into their more because Creggan Joe, Beth were signed. So we spent a fair amount of time interviewing them and Craig just come off spending a lotta time on an Indian thing and show said lost her mother and I think you'll find all those character ideas and traits in the in poltergeist to the thing the pot I was surprised me especially because trying to think this was eighty two in the movie came out and I think Nancy Reagan had declared her war on drugs at that point because usually people that took drugs and movies were really punished at that point I do remember some flack because it was a PG rated and there were some parents I think that were. got a couple of letters upset that was too scary for PG. But if you look at the movie, there's really No nudity, there's really no profanity almost. The first quarter of third is almost a comedy. You know with the family discovering this stuff and playing around that was I've seen more of the focus of the flag we did I don't recall anything about the drug per it might have been there but you know it's not like I'm This is fresh in my mind. I'm pretty surprised that it was a a well put together family as far as being a father figure there because I know so many of Stephen's films don't have father figures to them. You know I didn't notice that. We're doing a family things go one of two ways that I've seen, which is after you're done riding. The hand send you on your way off you go or you managed to stick around a free rights for their on the set and I'm curious which way things went for you. Do. The trip you in hit you from behind under way out the door in general. What you're going to find is directors don't you know producers don't seem to want to the writers around on set they're when they're done because I think there's a fear that your ideas may conflict with. Whatever they may be. We certainly didn't have that on poltergeist to at all they keep using his for rewrites I'm poltergeist one we were on strike the writers guild. So we're in this odd position of I. Guess Striking while the movie was shooting. So we're only on set once or twice you know Steven say a sufficient writer in you know. So it wasn't like some saying we've got to have you here but we couldn't be there even. If we wanted to, we didn't get the chance to get you know fully beaten up you meaning that the strike could out of our hands we weren't allowed to write a certain point when the movie came out was it pretty similar to what you had turned in for your last draft the movie was better than I expected in my experiences. Usually they're worse when you're writing and you're talking about special effects and the monster in this and it comes out of the. Point, there were a lot of movies like that. You didn't know how would look so I would I really give the production a lot of credit I think that picture probably came out better than we had hoped for I couldn't really tell. So didn't have high you know an expectation There were some things that were written that I thought might look corny or goofy. Ours afraid of that. Even would say, no, they weren't you know. So we got to trust that. But I mean you know the bodies coming out of the swimming pool and In my mind I'm going boy that could really Louis Cokie, and so I thought they did a terrific job. How soon after the first one came out, was there talk of doing a sequel? You know I don't remember I do remember we were going to write something else. We're actually going to write great balls. Of Fire, juryly Louis would been working on that. And then they came in and offered us to write and produce the sequel. We haven't produced anything yet. So we said we'd do it, and that took up from writing it seen it through production probably almost you know two years of our lives, how was that being a producer and how did those duties change for you? Well, we enjoyed it. You know we didn't find it. It was all novelty for us. So we were able to you know, Craig WanNa, try line because we're writers we go. Yeah. Brian Gibson was very collaborative and we enjoyed that it was a very sort of lighthearted sunset I think people enjoy that part. I. Guess My funny part is we drove to the lot. The first day we're in our twenty s were driving to the lot. I mean on location and they have the you know the euros of where you know parking down here we'll try and you know six or seven in the morning. I remember the first day I roll down the window traffic guy and I said. Well, where should we park and he said well, who are you and we said, well, we're the producers in eastern. Well, you compare wherever the fuck you want. And so. We we rolled up the window and looked at each other and said, well, all right. Then we're been very collaborative 'cause you're right with each other. So we weren't I guess we weren't in the normal bully mode that you might find what some people that was a terrific experience. We sure learned a lot and the push to be in on time and on budget we certainly Didn't spend money like other producers we just. Figured we were being paid so. I don't think we charged anything to the movie that people would normally charge. You know not even you know a breakfast or something I suppose veterans would call us naive but we ate on the on with The whole thing was a great experience. It really was We didn't WanNa, do the third which they took talk to us about I just I couldn't do that again right away and I think I wanted to get away from the horror arena we're probably offered a lot of horror movies that we should have done but I don't know we just weren't in the mood to keep doing that I know they eventually may great balls of fire few years later. In, violent where you did, you have in that after all talk to. None the people who took control or got control went a completely different direction than we were going to write that movie. You know we put the rights together. So we're an executive producer, but we really didn't work in the movie. The intent of our movie was A to make. We wanted to make it raging bull to music, which we saw would have been. Just a fabulous movie and tell you who this guy was instead that that time there were so afraid of jury in the thirteen year old cousin and that whole thing that they just went for this sort of musical thing I to be honest to might be a really good movie I just I didn't WanNa. See Movie I done way too much research on. WHO This guy really was and what would have been great scenes and so forth and it was a big disappointment. It was something I always wanted to write. It's matter of fact. I had jury Louis into our high school to play there I think bankrupted the high school you know when I was a senior in high school. So this was a big disappointment. We were going a whole different way just think it would have been. You know if you think about it, that's great movie. If you have him, 'cause you know he was sort of his own man and in a way you know a bit of an outlaw with his behavior but you know that's how we grew up him from generations of. was and stuff and all this religious stuff and the emotional conflicts and your star one day, and then you're banished the next you know. There were just So many scenes that aren't there might probably one of my favorite is when he finally went to get my refer being kicked out of her house, she picked closing in a dollhouse. It's just crazy. I mean there was just. Incredible scenes you know everyone I'm sure has those in their career, but that's I would have loved to have written. We did bright one of my favorite Steven seagal films marked for death. How did that come about? We've lost the goal in above the law we thought he could be like the next Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry type character. So we have to meet with him. We sat down and pitched ideas around you know we wound up writing a script on SPEC for him I would say One. Unusual person to beam business with I can tell you. Some stories. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think he got more and more power. Probably wouldn't each movie went on but. He originally we're talking about ideas and he had this great idea for an opening scene which was a terrific opening scene idea we're going great. You know and it was when Japan was hot and we said Okay, and he was leaving the country we said, okay, that's great. Maybe we'll start going off of that opening scene which sorta dictated a lot of things in the movie, and then we said, well, we better read this others ripped black rain 'cause it takes place in Japan and his coming out just to see what they did. And we read it and it was the exact same opening scene. He had pitched us and we want Whoa. We had been talking about doing a picture a Jamaican. Drug gangs. So we did the research and wrote that with even in mind you've courts decided that to arbitrate for writing credit cheese. I to prove he was out of the country one we wrote it. I mean you just never knew where it was coming from. It's like a small percent of you know I could literally right in the chapter in an important you know in a book about being in business with Sam. What we encountered I do have to ask you to how you got involved with cool world. I was working at a movie theater when that came out and that was the first time I hit experienced Ralph Bakshi's work we met with paramount and they told. They wanted to do A. Live action animation movie for adults instead of kids. So we met with Ralph who love the idea we were doing, and then we wrote our idea was. That there's this guy doing tattoos and cartoons in prison, and they're coming alive for him, and then he moves across the street of the lady who I'd eat him and it was it was fairly intense but really fun. and. I think the script was really good and then Brandon. Tartikoff came in from the network and saw that and said, well, this can't be an R. movie. We've gotta make it a G.. PG and so it was rewritten in to. Be Honest something I didn't recognized by the time I was in the theatre even though we were, you know still the credited writers it was just a completely different tone and You know I think a real probably cave to all the powers that be just to get the movie done and I thought the movie was little schizophrenic to be honest original script probably the. It was odd it paramount. They knew what a good job we did. So they wanted to hire us again but other people saw the movie were going well that movie with screwed up what's going on? So that's one of those. We're career things. What was your experience like with the the remake of poltergeist did they involve you much at all or just kind of licensed characters? He just licensed whatever pass they were on they were on did you actually end up seeing that one I gotta tell you by the time you're done making a movie I you know I can tell you this with poltergeist too. When you're in there and I mean, we were very diligent producers. We're onset every day from beginning to end. You know in the sound in the you know all these things and You know we're grateful to learn them but. With all the effects and the sound of the music by the time you're done. You don't ever want I've never wanted to see the movie again I just. I. Literally. You know, maybe I, went to the premier and that said, I, can't watch the whole thing on TV. Any of I don't know how to explain it but it's you know. It's like someone made you write and read a book over and over again and you don't Wanna read it again i. totally understand you get. So close insult involved with something. I would've just You know it was just didn't want to you know just. Didn't WanNa do it couldn't do it the sequel? I, probably would have been interested in or or remake you know talking about it but the script ultimately read on it just seem very similar to the first and I think you've got to be significantly you've gotTa have a real new angle I think when you're. remakes and sequels very difficult. In terms of distinguishing yourself you probably they're just very hard because often. The writer is wind up in the studio will just make a bigger more affects more. The you know rather than you really appreciate a sequel remake that as a different kind of story, it's probably a lot of why it's why I consider the Godfather to. You know. One of the best movies ever made if not the best they moved away and they hit the whole character story and Deniro Unbelievable Plane Brando would young age. You know it was just so compelling. I just thought it was really a fantastic. You know rather than you know part two part three part four of the you know. The same thing the same journey after cool world and I could be wrong about the timing but I I think after that you moved into producing pretty much fulltime correct got much more involved in producing and we hit a management company. We're trying range financing lead. Far Less writing I, think some producers maybe didn't want US onward perhaps because maybe they felt we only wanted to do it. If we produce I, don't really know. But yes, we spent a lot more time kind of aiming other directions when there's not a global pandemic happening what have you been working on lately? I wrote a script for the first time from sort of beginning to end on a thing called memo from her and it is really intense action and. has a political edge about a a South African Cop WHO's black? Coming up against incredible odds. So I like it a lot. So we'll see what happens. I gotta get it out into the world. I'm happy with it. It isn't always the case I'm pretty picky the flow of being a perfectionist as a problem. Victor. Thank you so much. This has been terrific. Okay. Well, I hope it helps Lemme no one at Tom and you know try not to make me look too bad in your editing. We just talked about jaws on the podcast a few weeks ago and I think everybody pretty much agrees, yeah. Jaws is the monster the movie but really the bad guy of the movie as Mayor Von and I have to say same thing with this Mr Teague is the villain of this movie. He's the guy who probably approved you move the headstones he didn't move the bodies. And just were here to make money and or just concerned about money. He's not concerned about Stevens health. Necessarily he's just concerned about getting those sales made and having Stephen there to just continue to sell these houses he wants more sales and they're going to do the same thing again, they've got this other cemetery which I think was the original one, but they're like, okay, we're going. To, move these headstones now a few more miles away, and then we're going to build up here and Steven you can have a house up here and look down on the valley and see everything that's down there with isn't going to be great and when they reveal that they're near that cemetery because I think they use that as a surprise for us that they're walking along. That fence and then finally the cameras on the other side of the fence and start to see those headstones. It's like Oh. Wow. Okay. Yeah. This is it's another one of those like, Hey, guys if you didn't pay attention before here's what's going on but will really reveal it to later on when these coffins are popping out it's interesting watching this film and all the other movies. Sequels and remain because they really say something about America I'm eighteen, eighty, two things are looking great. The feelings are doing terrifically. Well, they're this fantastic house in this great community, and yet there's wrought underneath that is entirely based on Greek and in if you flash forward to the two thousand, fifteen remake, the free links I don't know if they're still called the feelings a hammer. But return or go to a suburb, but it's a horrible sever. It's an old suburb that it's a bad neighborhood because they don't have any money because they economies collapse in Stephen Failing lost his job. It was on experience washing the remake for me because I made that connection. But also because I felt like not only was the film tracking the downward trajectory of America was also. Unintentionally tracking the downward trajectory of cinema because I. I again, I, I don't want to do on the movies actually think it's quite well directed and there's some really fine work in it but I did not see her for the digital photography. was well lit. There was the coldness. And kind of antiseptic mystic comes and are not even posted. It'll resort photography in principle the way that it was done in that film thick contrast starkly with the original movie and I I felt like the don't making has degraded since nineteen eighty you like I like the film making nineteen two better than what's happening in two thousand fifteen like I. I feel like the medium itself is being degraded by the way things are evolving or devolving. It was quite an interesting I. Know that wasn't A. Intention make movie but it was it was interesting to see. Even, in the second poltergeist, the way that Stephen Talks about how I'm into downward mobility and he He, he's very much the millennials in even some of my generation who are still living at home because here they are living back with Diane's mom and he selling vacuum store to and the vacuum seem to have a mind of their own and he's just he's not doing good and as much as the first movie was about women I feel that the second movie focused more on Steven and more on the Samson character and Taylor that Stevens interesting and all but I really prefer caroline I prefer Diane I would much rather have this about them I know it's not necessarily the fault of the filmmakers but to not have any sort of lying in there to talk About what happened Dana, and that she's just gone from the movie and at one point talking about how the family has to be together and I'm just yelling at the TV going but the family isn't together the missing person you're driving around with four people in the car there needs to be a fifth person in here as a self proclaimed Dana superfan obviously I would have appreciated some kind of lip service to that because she was absent from the first one but she was there I mean when they're digging through the closet to look for Carolina, she's with the adults digging to look for airline, which is a presence in that movie. So just half her be gone. I didn't I would like to have had some kind of even if it was a throwaway line about like she can't live, she can't be in this house with all those people she's in with her friend like great. We at least have some kind of you know idea I did miss her she was funny. It says something about mgm because I feel like MGM is the studio that just Endlessly sequel is is at remakes movies because it's a failed studio I know about older guys to a certain a poltergeist three which had its own issues. I almost feel like those moves should I, I know Gary Sherman feels like colder guys who directed poltergeist three feels like poltergeist three should not exist. He didn't WANNA finish the film after. Work dive. Yes. Now, reading about poltergeist to and re watching it after having read so much about it. They're just moments in that movie where I'm like, okay. What just happened? The whole tangent character just completely disappears twice from the movie She's there she shows up and then she's gone and you're like wait what just happened to her and then she shows up again at the end and then she disappears again and that ending seeing with the big battle between the family and the cane monster. It just feels so truncated even to the point where the soundtrack feels like has an abrupt cut to it and you're like Whoa. What just happened here it's just so anticlimactic that we've gone through this whole thing of fighting this cane character that it's this whole idea of Kenny come into the house you know, how's it going to get into the house I don't necessarily know how he gets in through the worm, but then he gets in that way. Okay that's cool. We've got all this stuff. There's a couple moments that are pretty freaky i. Have to say that the gentleman that plays Cain Julian back. fucking fantastic. I. Remember Watching thing on MTV where it was the band anthrax talking about their favorite movies and of course, killer clowns from outer space was right up there. But also poltergeist to and they were like narrating the scene of him out in the outside of the door screaming into the the family about how they're going to die and there's a point where he pulls his finger up and puts it to his temple and I'd like look at his finger even his finger. Scary. Now. y'All got a guy. Good things poltergeist. There's some really good direction in it and it doesn't end. Well, unfortunately in the native stuff is pretty. I rolling but I you have a soft spot for three. It took me forever to see three but then when I finally saw it, I was like Oh okay. This this kind of works I kind of enjoyed that movie I agree I don't think three should exist but there are some really great things in it I. Appreciate that you know putting poltergeist in like a suburban. Home instead of like a big gothic manner was it was like unique in new so putting it in a high rise is really interesting to me I love the feel of it in that in that building I love the use of the reflection reflection mirrors puddles. There's so much good imagery in it, but it's just wrapped around this story that is now made subpar by the filming. Limitations. So I don't know, is it worth it to have these interesting high points and cool visuals and unique things or should maybe not have existed because it couldn't exist in an it's proper form I i. don't know like that puddle that puddle seen her getting pulled him up puddle haunted me I. If you had said Adult Christine, have you ever seen poltergeists three I've you Know and then you explain that puddle sequence where Charolais pulled into it, I would like Oh. Yes. That haunts might nightmares I barely remembered this movie I had seen it when I was young, it's just that scene is terrifying and it does a similar thing that the first one does is it taps into these? These childish kind of fears like it's irrational puddle isn't isn't infinitely deep except in this movie it was. So maybe they all are that way if you catch him at the right time. It did that name, but it's uncomfortable to watch I. Don't know if you guys felt that way like it makes me feel uncomfortable. I agree that win Larry Flynn Boyle crawls out of Zelda Rubinstein's body. God, Angie, screaming like crazy. That's amazing. Like isn't that fantastic it actually has a very David Lynch quality today it staff asks stepped into the realm beyond the genre into a realm of surrealism at points it has a. something very interesting going on in the film. But I I just want to see her work and you know I guess she was taking steroids or something like there's just something you feel like there's something wrong and there's like real human suffering behind this movie. Hard to watch the use of the mirrors and stuff. It feels almost the Jean Cocteau at times. It's just such an interesting way of doing it. Christine you talked about the puddle. The one that gets me is when Carolina's walking down the hallway and there's no reflection on the left hand side. But then on the right hand side, you see the doors opening and the cane stand in coming out and standing at each door that one what really worked for me. I thought that was very creepy. Again. We're talking about special facts and I think the best effects in this movie are the practical ones are all of the use of the mirrors and the glass and the one way glass, and just the way that they shoot all this stuff is just. It really effective and very, very gorgeous. The story I like the idea of the Iras, I like the idea of this high rise where they never seemed to leave. They leave at the beginning for Caroline to go to school and for Larry and boils character to go to school. But the rest of their lives are just all spent in this building art gallery. Is there the Tomsk Eric character works there for security? So it's like this whole land of the de J. G. Ballard type everything is here that you need. You never need leave this except maybe when it's haunted. Isn't it interesting that Bramlett to as a similar of backdrop like it's And I feel like Gremlins and. Guys are obviously of a similar ilk is this interesting and they both came out around the same time Komo's. Ninety nine, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred, and. Eighty eight YEP nineteen ninety up. Again that means there's something going on like it's very interesting. How what I imagine American psycho is waiting around that time while and it's also the era of trump in this whole trump stand-in of John Glover as that trump character hopefully. I feel like these movies are. Not, intentionally necessarily, but are just truly trucking what is going on in America a very specific way I talked about how teague is the real villain of the first movie and in this one, it's the teacher, the teacher that won't believe caroline the one who keeps thinking that everyone is falling under her hypnosis and then what is he? He's also hypnotist hypnotized her he sip Natasha the the boyfriend after he comes back from the puddle and I'm like, okay, this is really strange that you have this power of hypnotism but you don't believe Carolinian I guess maybe her powers are stronger than yours. But what a weird villain to have in this movie this total a-hole teacher guy. And that goes back to the all the really great groundwork three because that is an extremely interesting character. What is this movie trying to say by having this? I don't know I. DON'T WANNA call him a fake intellectual but this this overblown intellectual, the self-important intellectual, telling a little girl that she's lying when whole neighborhood saw something happened I don't know that speaks to me on like on a real emotional level of all the people that didn't believe me when I was a little kid or I wonder if we could have seen this movie maybe as it was originally intended I, wonder if it would have paid off a little bit differently and also that just the whole this isn't A high-rise, it does speak to that like me occasion of America one stop shop just hit JC Penney and then go to Orange Julius and then pick up your tires and then like head home and all you need is here seeing that in movies because that was very much my childhood when I grew up go to the shopping center and just hit all the stores and go home that's your Saturday afternoon seeing represented film is always interesting to me because it speaks to my life experience in there is there's cynicism to it but also it was just kind of reality. So having shown like sneaky things can happen here to even though this is a modern construct that's effective to. Somebody remake this movie. So so I can see poltergeist three and all it's glory by one thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. We've got this guy who will not believe this person who is traumatized and in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two when we have the original poltergeist. There is very little convincing to get the parapsychologists to come in. The one guy is doubting things Mardi the guy who ends up pulling off his face who will not come back to the house eventually the he's looking for things you know is there a signal coming from here? Are they broadcasting from inside the House Yada Yada Yada. But the woman Dr Lesch she believes Diane and she's right there she's the one who starts when the coffee pot moves across the table and it's Marty who's looking under the table looking for magnets. or or might be Ryan, but she's right there. She believes her Yonne it's that whole Hashtag believe women thing. It's like here's poor caroline six years later having experienced to really traumatic things and now going through a third and here's this guy who's supposed to be a protector and he's the one who's doubting her and questioning everything that she does and trying to figure out the trick. It is obvious that these female characters from the first one specifically are everybody's very willing to believe what's going on and that's a constructive a lot of. Stories that bothers me the the doubting husband or sometimes the inverse I just like when people believe the things that are happening, there's an efficiency to that but also like please just believe when you see things. It's funny to me. Then this this man is like I don't believe you in spite of the things I'm seeing with my own eyes like he sees that coffee mug wrong but he Can't be true. This little girls, Aligarh I Y- I feel like there's some real implications there I don't I. Don't think you're a blowing up nothing like. I love that it's a Freud Mug that he has as well, which is nice. Now's a good time for us to take another break and play an interview with the director of poltergeists. Three Gary Sherman. Let's go ahead and play that right after these brief messages. About Ongo fora a yen for Yo peons. Then give your blood curdle bones a boon in tune into chronicles from the crypt joined sorted slimes Ling Casualty Chris and father alone as they take on HBO's Groundbreaking Television Series Tales from the crypt. Here's what rotting and Rancid rambler saying chronicles. report. INTO CHRONICLES ON. The. Creek. Balloons except your life. 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I was an artist looking for a medium from the time I was like you know this big I drew and painted sculpture I was taking our classes at the institution cargo in Saturday school, which was for kids and I did that all the way through grammar school is school when I was about eleven or twelve I started playing guitar. Singing. My Dad was a piano player. I use. Timeout. Little. Sit On. Sunday. Mornings at eight play piano in my brother was singer swell. We used to sit by the piano and sing do and I love music I, love singing in. Chicago and I really got into Blues and Gospel not. For any religious reasons I just love the news so I just into music and then had a rock and roll band in high school won't go into college. In, you know just kind of a garage band will be played mostly covers. We did a few original things. Now, I'm in college an art school of the things to design still searching for my medium I didn't know what I wanted to do was why ID perfect school because the first area do everything you do absolutely everything they actually they tried to kill you the senior and you just try every different kind of media that that you can think working in and I discovered a camera and I was shooting started shooting stills. Aaron. SISKIND WHO's in the father of modern photography came there to critique our work and he saw my work in the estimate me and he said I take on three students year would you like to be one of my students? And I. How you say no even though I thought it was going to go into into visual design, which is the major os leaning towards I switched to photography. Anyhow I'm kind of you know. Earning money with my group plan and was doing other odd jobs that worked in a photo lab was doing arrows kind of putting myself in school, and so anyways, my grew cut a record who signed by the by the wheel label in quilt recorded a chess. So we went into chess studios the twenty one, twenty South Michigan Avenue. The Old Chester Rubio's and we cut our record Ron May low the head engineer pulls me aside after session says you read don't you? I said Yeah Do. You got a great voice Good Range said, you know I could use use background SA- backup singer and I said great. Gave my phone number and He started calling me and I would go in and two sessions of chess. Anyhow I was Simultaneously at the same time I, I discovered a movie cameras school at World War Two era flex that it just been sitting in a closet forever and I took it out, cleans it up with a friend of mine, and we figured out how to rework it, make it make run and inside just started playing around with it shooting some footage Aaron given us an assignment here. This is GonNa give us an assigned to indicate work show people at work. You know they're invented something very abstract is that's the way hearing. Anyway, so I'm doing a session with voted -Ly and singing background of diddley album and I said to. Him Can I shoot some footage of you because you're working. And he said Yeah I said just ask Ron if it's okay. So I asked where may low as soon as it okay. Yes. Sure. Just stay out of the vocal booze his will on area they make so much noise the net guide them studio to stay away from the vocal boost in will be cool. So I'm shooting away when I'm not in the booth singing with wouldn't bow. Picking up my air flexing in shooting footage of Marshall, chess walks in while I'm doing this and Marshall Says Sherman in he knew me as a studio musician. So sherm Sherman, what are you doing I? Said, this is school Lisa's I wanna see it anyways shooting later dragged sixteen millimeter projector into Marshal's office with all night dailies under. Our. Show him what we shot. He starts calling everybody is Dad Zongol and everybody has got to see the stop. This stuff's while. So hip, and as he says, let's make a moving. I said I'll I know how to shoot he says, you just do what you do all higher crew and he hired me accrue I went on the road with Bo Diddley. We've ended up putting together don't all the legend devotedly, an Marshall sold it to seventy five television stations around the world, and then at one all kinds of awards and all of a sudden I got other record companies stuff calling me and then that led to somebody seeing I, did think crescendo records for a group called the seeds. So I shot his whole film on the seeds that was slight may have been the first music video. Games I shot them running around to a greenhouse and we did all this stuff. Somebody saw that showed it a designed confidence the Aspen Design Conference in the next thing I know people are calling me to do commercials. So I'm still in in school I set up my own production company. Bump shooting commercials in shooting Docs and doing all kinds of stuff I graduate in might companies go guns I hired half my friends from school come work for me the production company. And we have this production company and then came the convention in Sixty Eight. And I'm a of a political animal very left wing political animal in got in lots of trouble during the convention just decided I couldn't be here anymore. My mother's British. So I went to England I immediately got a green card because of the fact that my mother was British. But I just went there to do commercials I've Jonathan Demme in Michael Moniz set a company up together we were all three ex pats in London Then, Michael, left thank goodness. One of the most objectionable human beings I've ever known but then that's an old story. Everybody has Michael Mann's story. So got some. Some Michelman Stories Myself Jonathan I set setup this production company Jonathan keep saying the you should do a feature you should get Johnson was producing that he wasn't he had no want to direct that Jonathan kept pushing the I'd kept writing scripts Jonathan I wrote a couple of scripts together that we sold. It never got made and I came up with the idea to do death line. Came up with the story idea as we're on location. Run A big location were shooting this proctor gamble launch campaign that had a budget that was probably twice the size of what the budget of death line was when we finally made it. And the the agency producer was just written. A novel that I have read is really great. It hadn't been published, but it was great and we started talking and I told him about this story that I had always let's ride it. So that was Carrie Johnson Carey and I sat down a rope death line and then Jonathan took it under his arm and settlement to get it sold him. He got into J. Kantle Junior Serie that all fell into place. I made death line and you know Jay Cantor, L. junior produced it, and then they went they left in Glenda went back to Hollywood ended up running twentieth century Fox and they dragged me way from London back to Hollywood and Jay's kind of mentored my whole career. There's a long break between. When you do death line, and then when you director next film are You doing more writing during that period I was doing commercials I was doing commercials. Commercials who really lucrative. And I was enjoying myself and I I actually didn't enjoy the I enjoyed making death line. But when it ended up getting sold to a I P and they turned it into raw meat and a completely re cut. And made it awful in did that terrible exploitation campaign I said, that's not what I wanNa do, and even though Jalen lady had gone back, they kept telling me come to Los Angeles come to. Los. Angeles and I don't want him making movies I want to continue to make commercials because least I, get to do what I want. And so anyways, they finally drag me back and when I when I got back, I really couldn't find a picture I wanted to do in television came knocking on my door. So between I guess it was seventy, six, seventy seven when I finally came back. So Los Angeles I started doing a lot of television and I I, I just wanted to cut my teeth and get used to shooting in era coach is different than shooting in England. Is the was back on and the fact that deadline had become raw meat really hurt me here. No nobody was pounding my door out of in. England. They were looking for me to do more horrible. But I didn't WanNa do another horror movie actually because of the way that death line was treated. So badly, then ranch shoe set came knocking on my door in you know Ronnie was amazing image huge just one of the most incredible people have met and and he invented it all these scripts written Dan o'bannon. He just puts this pilot script. She says here, I love death line that lines like one of my favorite all time movies in you gotta make more movies in. Here's a pile of movies. Let's go through this. You can write you. Can Direct. You can do whatever, and then he said, what are you have that it did you written that you don't want to direct and I gave him a script that was phobia which ended up being done by Johnson hit with with riots producer and dead and buried was really target I really loved it and wanted to do ron was trying to get it set up and get it set up and the alien opened in literally the Monday morning after alien open run called me and he said I think we're GONNA get didn't very done. and. We did and I I really wanted to do that because. Originally. Got Into, it was going to be dark comedy kiosks what I read how would you use the comedy in that? It was a major Jack Albertson's part was written purely for comedy initially just the way that Donald pleasants heart was written for comedy death loan. And I really wanted to have that same kind of balance calling. Well, it's a long story. It's. It's very boring. He could hear it on the commentary on the the company that started to make the film. Production. Co. was always have co embassy is the studio it was negative pickup. So the production company was in charge and so the first company that they'll be redoing with were all and they loved the script they love the comedy they got bought out by a second company. Now, the second company along the to when we were shooting and everybody was happy and we shot we get into post production were like three quarters of the way through post production when aspen productions gets bought out by tesl in Mark Damon comes in in Mark Looks at the movie and he says what is this? He says, I, thought I was buying a horror movie. He said, what is this? You know any turns to me and he says to me, he said, I, wanted Bergman to direct the horror film might hire Bergman now you Gimme a horror show and they basically disturbed chain stuff I was I was gonNA walk and Jay Cancer would always been momentum SA- don't get a reputation for. Being hard to work with just go along with it. Get it done take it as far as you need to take it and then go start go do your decks movie but that's what I did. That led to Vice. Squad. Then, I went from vice squad to do a lot of television I just suddenly television was just attacking me in I. I was enjoying it because instead of spending two years on a movie in back then used to twenty six episodes a year television, and so I started creating series of. Directing shows and produce executive producing shows. And I was having a good time at three. Really Funny I walked into a party one night and Jim Bridges in Allen. Harker jumped on me and started screaming at me and they said what the fuck are you doing you give us vice squad many. Leave us on start making television. Then, I came back in into into movies I guess wanted. Wanted, dead, or alive, and wanted dead or alive led me right. I was in post production on wanted dead or alive when when j Atlanta called me and said, we need your help said you need my help said yeah we need told her guys in you gotTa. Do I said, I, don't want to do with a said no, you gotta do it. We need to do it. I don't WanNa do holder guy sequel I had been asked to do poltergeist to when I wasn't available because to a I had a pilot to shooting another one of my pilots got picked up to series and I just I just hit a big out of doing goes to also didn't like scraper much victor in grace who I like both of them versus Mark Victor really like. I didn't WanNa go in and say I, don't like your script. With the Being the producers along with Freddie fields. I figured I was GonNa have no weight at all changing the script so I pass on poltergeist to. Mr Gibson did he did a good job? So I absolutely love wanted dead or alive I saw that when it first came out on VHS and I love Rutger Hauer I love Gene Simmons and those two together. I mean Gene Simmons Iowa's thought played such a great villain and things and some of the some of the stuff that you did in that movie was fantastic. Thank you I. I. had a good time making it movie. We had no time. Time. When de film also was Kinda. Favor was Bob. Ramey was running new world. It left EPCO QO embassy who's now at new world he had been my. My rabbi and APCOA embassy the two pictures he tried to protect me on that. Very any absolutely protected me. I'm vice squad Vice Squad was my movie because of Bob Bahraini I love Bob Lamie sure that he just he stood up for me and he said this gary's picture. He's going to do what he wants to do than the producers were just held back in abeyance I've got to do what I got to do. They had sold wanted dead or alive based on title they didn't have the script. This Guy Bob. Peterson title had the title wanted dead or alive, and then they brought in our through circassian known to actually really be producer on the movie. So they sold it based on the title, but they didn't have script. They got a script delivered to them. That was unreadable and unsuitable. Couldn't believe in. Won't get into personalities but who's a writer who's written some really good stuff and the script was absolutely abominable. I don't know if he just thought this was quick Aj and he could get away with it or what but it was awful. It was absolutely dreadful. So rainy calls me up and says I need your help. Come in here. So I drive down to the studio. He hands me the script that I have to were facing a directive strike impossibly enact to strike and I've got a delivery date on this movie. I've gotTa have a script than I gotTa have a movie, please rewrite the script and you'll directed and he said I need at least a working script within two weeks so that we can start pre production you can keep writing, but we have to start pre production. So anyways, he answering the script and I take it home and I read it said he said, can you fix it? I said No. I can start from scratch. So I have an idea that I. went in the next morning pitched an idea enlisted Co writer denise. Di. Novi was working for Bob at that time she was development executive with him those before she did Batman because I said I need help and she says I got the writer. and. That's how I met Bryan Tag. Brian and I went onto write a lot of stuff to you. So anyways, put me together with Brian Brian for dinner I pitched him the idea that I had pitched to a rainy. And Brian loved it, and we just basically worked all night the first night to come up with the outline. We took it back to the studio the next day, and they said, go circassian set us up in an office. And we had a word process. Nobody had word processors back then. But Arthur actually hired a guy who knew how to work word processor. And Brian and I would sit and scribble pages than handed to this guy who was typing away in the computer. And we could make changes and it really sold me on computers I have, been, a computer file since. Tech File. Within two weeks we had a script would I didn't have was that last line that last seen? It was so funny Arthur sitting in his office download down the corridor for us in our offices. Andy. Here's me scree in. He comes running down in his what's a matter? What's the matter and I looked at I said, fuck the bonus he said what I said I figured out how to end the Phil, what are you talking about nine told? I won't go through it here. We won't ruin it for anybody that has seen it. But I, described the scene for minority. Took it right up to fuck the bonus and Arthur ends up screaming going. I. Love it and wanted dead or alive was born. So we took descript in they. They love Brian, rewriting of the last day of principal photography safe. My only regret about wanted dead or alive is that we didn't have more time to work on the script. I. Think. Script is the weakest part of I mean. There's some great lines in. It is some sitting in it could've had it could have been a better script have we is its agreement good script that just not a great script and I would've liked to have done that and I would have made it a lot more political. I. Did people think that wanted dead or alive is empty Islam it can not anti tears. It's not anti-islamic at all and it wasn't meant to be anybody that knows me knows. Now the most open, colorblind human being on the planet that was raised that way. My Dad was colorblind his whole life and the my dad taught me that you know the inside of people it's not the outside of people. Never been prejudiced against anybody. Are expressed told a racist joke it's just not me and it's not the way I was raised in I've got very upset when critics called the film Islamaphobia can races. It upset me but anyways, one of the things is. Jay laddy loved it. Lets is a You're not going away your your coming here you're doing poltergeists three. I don't want to they said, yes, you are. Yes. Who are said okay to condition whether more to conditions but the to rain conditions were I shoot it in Chicago and my hometown in I wanted to shoot a movie in the Hancock Building oversensitive been built. I love the John Hancock Center, just musing. Sociologically, as well as architecturally, it's just a jaising play some people can live their whole lives. They're never leave villa just was fascinated by that. I said. Okay. So I, get to shoot in Chicago and I'm GonNa if the biggest haunted house that ever existed, I'm GonNA haunt the John Hancock building one of the largest buildings in the world and I'm GONNA do all the effects practical and they said you're crazy. No. You know that. But they in ladies, you really know how to do that and I said absolutely I said I was raised on ox Berry in if you can do it on an axe Perry, you know the Multi Projector fringers animation stands virtual image whether they used to do all the optical side back in the analog days I ran one thousand college. I said if I can do it on an area can do it in a cameras in the studio for an lady said. How much is it gonNa cost me. And I said, you know what is in question the same our shooting schedule will be a little longer. A post production will be third as long and save you the money in post and he said, well, you convinced me about the tracking shot in death line. So I guess I'll believe you. Is He didn't want me to do the tracking shot in the on other than so but Jay had said, let's just go for it. We did it works, and then of course, the fact that the film went a long time and then we it was an ending that was going to cost a lot of money take several reeks to shoot and they said to me, can we save some money and do a simpler ending I said will can but I don't want to go anyways they please and I said okay. So we. Shot another ending and I hated it and they hated it and we've finished at ending. We went out we we roughed it together. We took it out and sneak previewed it and the the audience hated it. So finally convinced them, we should redo the ending to reaching lending. We were in the process of putting that all together and getting ready to do that when heather died and then I. Wasn't working to release the film with banding. So I mean that ending didn't work at all. It was awful I had to come up with an alternate ending. Could be shot without heather. which is one of the saddest things I've ever had to do in my life. That's what we did after that I just kind of walked away from. It was it was really hard. I just really didn't know what I wanted to do for a while it just was really tough and so I jumped back into television I. believe that's after poltergeist put. had. Sable on the air while I was doing poltergeist. Than Sable often than. I sold missing persons I did a few other I did a lot of pilots and stuff in between them. Okay. I want shootings Chicago on do practical facts. What are the pieces that they say this has to be there I imagine how there has to be there but what else do they say need Cain to be the villain in this or how does that come about setup all these pieces Well. Yeah we we definitely wanted Kane and we definitely wanted ten Gina can't make that movie without Zelda. Love Celta. So you know that was the thing and then we just decided well, if it's going to be in Chicago and then they also I guess the the original family wanted so much money to do number three of the studio didn't WanNa do that at they said to me how can we not have the original family business put him with an aunt uncle and so that's why we came up with the idea of the seat in school in Chicago, where she was going because she was having. Problems Caroline Emmy. Public is three was really meant to be heather story and it really would have been. Done the ending that we were supposed to do that I originally written. And it also would have been a different movie inside because what we didn't shoot was about seventeen pages. In so I had to make that to the enemy shooting practical effects. This this film was scripted in story boarded frame by frame. We knew within probably. A minute anyways exactly how long film was going to be finished because of how exact everything has to be shot the practical effects So I, mean every every shot every shot in the moving was story boarded overheads, and you know I do a lecture I've been traveling all over the world lecturing about shooting poltergeist three. Which is quite fun actually thinking with the pandemic because all the film festivals that canceled this year. So I'm actually working with an IT guy right now talking about putting on doing a. Poltergeist lecture, which is an interactive thing his. is his Webinar some kind of Webinar whether it's zoom. Microsoft team. What were trying to figure out the platform now? So, probably be doing for the end of the summer. It's kind of fun as a fun lecture. I just keep doing it over and over again every time the audiences get bigger questions get harder and. It it's just been great. I just did at the university Wales avarice with. which was my last trip before we got shut down by Vid we still one of those huge lecture halls. I. Mean it was fantastic. The audience was. Gigantic. And everybody had a great time and it actually got reviewed. Review was really exciting so. It's pretty remarkable that you are able to go from Craig Nelson and Jo Beth Williams in the previous two films haven't. Tom Scared Nancy Allen I love those two actors in there. So great in that. Yeah I did too. Media knows Nancy. We were trying to cast somebody that at least could kind kinda pass as jobess William Sister. The Nancy was. Absolutely perfect. She had that round who were. I don't know if they look like sisters standing next to each other. But. They sure did you thought about it in Tomsk Erin I love scaring and I just wanted to work with him and I thought you know Brian and I were talking about who wanted to play these parts are the Nancy played. We knew where the characters calling his at character was Joe Beth, Lillian sister by who she was married to. You know the fact that it was a second. Any child from the first marriage he was a widower and then. Cast the little young young woman who I had met two years earlier because I did apply the pilot sable. And I was looking for really. Young. Girl. For very key part in the pilots in Jane Alderman who cast the past brought said Oh I know exactly who she caster at a bunch of commercials she's never done a movie. Or TV but I think she'd be great Lara Flynn Boyle. So I really was the first person to put her in a movie I. Mean I've put her in a pilot cheese did one other piece of television about the same time So that was her first film role. was in and she was wonderful. She was great to work with, but Tom skerritt was so funny he would come every morning. He'd say, okay. What event that we have today on the Poltergeist Olympics inquisitor the fact that they were doing everything. They actually had to do everything that they were doing it including, writing the window washing rig off the side of the ANC cock building the window washing rig the. Hancock building is like fifteen times Osha Standard. You know safety status I mean it's really a mechanism that is just fantastic. It's basically a train goes up down the sided older it lives in this huge building will the buildings full square city blocks? So the Rufus is full Sir city block except in other buildings tapered, but it's not tapered that much looksmart tapered really is. And when you're on the roof of that building, it goes forever and there's this barn up there that the window washing rig lives in that is the size of a public building ms huge. It just everything sought scale. It's just it's fantastic. That was the one thing though Tom. Said said Yeah. I said, where do you want me is said close enough that I can grab you. So I literally right off camera in every shot I'm being right off camera if I would lean that will in terrible what were some of the biggest challenges when it came to all those practical facts? They were all challenging some of the ones that are the most simple were the most challenging the mirrors. Always challenging because you know he hit the physics, they go into using mirrors in Mir's after be perfect. I mean the slightest movement data mirror because when you move a mirror in you shooting near into mirror every time you're shooting it is since long rhythmic the. Differences because one mirror moving one mirror is Moose twice the distance of of what it's doing. So you got your squaring you your your movement with that. We're you add another mirror. You've got us. You've got a square of that and you add third mirror and I made it gets into the adjustments have to be so perfect that if anything is a slight has been out of alignment does work in we're using front surface mirrors using two way mirrors where using glass we were using no glass and no mirrors and double sets, and it just became combination that a lot of scenes it was double sat and mirror and a mirror on the camera to reverse everything. Is. One. Of the things that I wanted to do was you know today with digital, it's really easy. If you should something you can flip and it doesn't make a difference back down. If you flip that you at a flippant optically which meant going another two generations to get to a negative. Go to inter positive then the enter positive pedagogy negative. So you lost two generations so it didn't look as good as the original. No matter what you did and then you'd end up doing everything taking everything down in quality so that it didn't hop out at you and I figured if I was doing a volley affects practical, I wanted all the negative to be first generation in order to dip things backwards we had to run the film through the camera backwards turn the camera upside. Down depending on which was the best way to do it in situation. So I mean everything was just really complex. I mean people look at the puddles to do that. You know that was easy. That was just purely a physical effectively we built a sap to match the location over a five thousand gallon tank of water that had scuba divers in it. We could completely control the level of water could control everything in temperature when there were problems with that too. We had the light from underneath and we couldn't put the lights in the tank. So we had to put mirrors the tank, which meant we had the windows in the tank while a five thousand gallon tank water the water pressure is unbelievable. So you just couldn't put a window, the windows for almost a foot. Of Laminated Glass and then with the these are clamps is you didn't have led's have today we. Were three hundred degrees you know. And then we to prevent heating water is the light coming through. So high in the water water's cold the outside hot you've got glasses in between. So we have to cool glass and we'd have these more light 'cause we hit a put enough. Infrared, shelters in there to keep too much heat from going in, and then we had people scuba divers moving mirrors inside the tank to direct the light as it came through these windows would hit fears that would get the light to come up through the opening. Every shot in that movie is a magic trick and he's much as I. Think it's my worst movie movie smiley favored anyway. So a lot of people love it and they get mad when I say I don't like it. But it's not my favorite of movies but it but I'm very proud of the effects. How on Earth did you make? Davis look so much like the Paul Can Dick Smith a founded casting I don't remember who is the casting Baker or maybe it was Stan Winston somebody had a casting of Julian's face another movie that they then some percentage him dickhead that hit that cast hit the mall and made the pieces at one on Nate's face which was actually Cast within Julian's facemask some in some people have called the death master wasn't a death mask of mask was made when he was alive but it was creepy. A poor nate many was in makeup for three hours every morning. To fill. This. Other Handy in the Davis who directed the fugitive rise. Is he another Chicago NATO? Andy I knew each other back from college days. And was one of those friends who worked for me at my studio back in the old days. How was it for you? Actually finally shooting a feature film in Chicago it was great. Will I had always wanted to shoot something in Chicago the CIO night did at. I ended up shooting sable in Chicago, because of the fact that we were doing overdosed in Chicago. Basically at the same time. I Love I love shooting in Chicago crews in Chicago are just the best I mean the Union crews there I cruise in there just really professionals we're doing one of those really complicated special effects, shots, older guys, and we're in this huge studio is we have three stories of the John Hancock building built on the sound stage, which was an old warehouse that we converted to the studio. Now, of course, they're Cindy's face, which is a real studio, which is great, which is here in Chicago it's actually the biggest. Turning into big studios I'm sure. Back, then we didn't have his Chicago Studio City none of the stages were big enough mattis hit. In Oprah's studio with the. Way Too small for so we're shooting this. In setting up the shop and I, hear a voice say, Hey, gary, for way up in the rafters. Up in the in all the Way Up in the lighting grid high above us and I said Yeah in the voices to me. Is this the shot that goes after the water we did last Thursday and I sit yet is these s got award. Great. This is an electrician working up in the grid. People knew the script they knew what we were doing. They followed along. They really cared they were really invested. Everybody was totally invested in every mole is we couldn't have made that fill his complicated as was I. think might my gaffer told me the first production meeting when seventeen and a half hours? and. He says in everybody walked out still not understanding exactly what we really needed to do. Is We all knew that if you drop dead, the film was done because. Nobody understood what you needed to do to get this film made by did my lecture in Chicago about a year and a half ago a year ago I called everybody I got Mike moyer moisture. We call white MOYER WHO's the gas around the picture of Bread Matthys who's now president of the IRA. But was the Dolly Grip on on an poltergeist ADIGA and Mary Carlson who the script supervisor and I call them all and got him all to come in they all set up on stay to me further kick for the to name. So we we had a lot of fun. Everybody wants to know why haven't done more will be saying. I didn't need to do more. I needed to do what I did after I did. Lisa. Right. After after older guys than MGM. died while we were shooting Lisa. So we never really got at least the Straits television which was a heartbreak for me because the script room involved and that's when I said goodbye I'm done I'm going back to television in television's been Vada groups knee and You know I didn't missing persons. Put some shows on the air that are really proud. And that's what are done in the new poltergeist legacy of just head I forty eight missing persons, which is a shower really locked doing the how long did that show run the first forty-eight? Well, the homicide show ran forever but our our spinoff of. Missing persons who about three and a half years shooting there's not that many episodes the episodes that we made really great. Really really really proud of him and they're all very substantive. Him, they talk about something and they take you into places that you don't expect a television show to take you know. LITTLE IN A. But the network was very strict with us in what we at one show that I was just so proud of him in. And I wanted to go the whole hour and it was about some girls that came on Mother's Day to save my my mom's been missing. This is the second mother's Day that she's been missing. We just want closure and the investigation was absolutely unbelievable and they'd actually found her body in the morgue which have been sitting there for a year and a half nobody identified it, and it causes a whole big scandal that infect the medical examiner got fired because it ended up. There were lots of body sitting there that nobody paid attention to bodies were just getting lost and it was so emotional above and it ended up that this woman had. She had been a dental hygienists and then got into crack and went from being a mom and a family PRISCILA. became the crack Attic and ended up as a crack whore and when she went missing shoes in a crack whore, the network said Oh we don't WanNa do a story about a cracker and I said, wait a minute. This was a woman whose whole life is destroyed by crack in why not tell the story I finally talked him into doing this story and then they said, but most make it half an hour another story in show so that that story at the share story. So we put to Mother's Day stories together call the episode Mount Thursday but I mean, it would just was constant fights with the network stuff like that and I just said Okay Goodbye Undone did you get all your answers? I, head I did this has been wonderful. Thank you so much. I've had a really fun time. I would watch him polled guys last month. I got a question. Why don't why people just lead house so now? Stay in the house too fucking long get the fuck is Very simple is goes in the house. Get the fuck out. And not only did they stay in the house and pulled against the invited more white people? Sit around on Caroline's and the television set. I would have been gone. Adored have been on the preseason look man I went home and my daughter's in the TV sanders I just fucking left. You can have all shit I ain't going back back to the motherfucker came down. So when she ain't at the school, you don't think I kill the. Bitch. Is Inside, the TV set you can have all of that shit like. Almost. Murphy didn't you try to save daughter Tried to save I turn the channel and she didn't work. I got. One of the things that is really special about the first movie is. Not, immediately, representative as malevolent in the way that the characters respond to them is not fear but I it's war on its wonder which of course, is very Spielberg in and that's so unexpected is there on it has movie that exists where the characters react with joy at the revelation that there is something supernatural going on and not horror is it's very special. It's really unique idea that whole thing of of Diane Pudding, Caroline and the circle and having her shoot across the floor. And then her trying to convince Stephen like. A tingling starts here, and she's just describing this thing that for all intensive purposes could be an orgasm. She pretty much seems like she orgasms when Caroline passes through her later on in the film it's like this is a very pleasurable thing for Diane and Steven is literally knocked off his feet. He falls to the floor during that part and has completely flummoxed and did you guys notice? The weird jump cut that happens during that like the transition between that, and then them over at their neighbors of just a like a second later like she's in the middle of a line when they cut and they cut to them on the porch of the next door neighbor and at first I thought it was supposed to be like a laugh line kind of like a question answer if. There's. You know right in here and it starts to point tickling polls you and all it's like there's nowhere except that you can breed. And you're getting pulled on me. On. Earth. But it just is really awkward. It's I've never seen a Michael Kahn. I think the editing I've never seen him do a weird cut like that before. I watched this with my husband. It had been a while since he had seen it and as Diane talking about that I find the way she describes it really interesting and very unique and when it when it cuts away I was like I could have listened to her talk about that forever and then I kinda thought like. Maybe. It did go. Maybe the insinuations that she'd gone forever that they had to like end it and move on like she would not stop talking about it. And I was like out that that makes sense for me to make that now my reality. So that's that's what happens in the movie to make a good point that Michael Kahn cut it who course cut virtually every Steven Spielberg movie, and it should be noted that Jerry Goldsmith, roden amazing scores of the film, which is probably his most John Williams likes or. I don't know why you would say that. His gerbils, who is a mate of course, genius his horror film scores like especially for the omen or if you think about the they're kind of experimental this score is not experimental, oh. Yeah. Planet the apes it's like he listened to Bela Bartok before he wrote that one but this is very traditional and beautiful magnificent mean it feels like I feel like. Just to be your best John Williams usually when I hear the course of kids doing something I, think of Danielle's men but then I also think of the score for home alone I mean, this sounds a lot like the score for home alone especially, the end credits just that ethereal voices and it is really creepy if you watch the movie all the way through to the end. When the kids just start laughing at the end just like Oh. Okay. But yeah, I completely agree this is Super John Williams. Ask to the point where I thought that he had done this just like I thought he had done the score for back to the future I. think that is Alan Sylvester is most John Williams score. What if this movie did have different music? What if toby? was able to work more with Goldsmith, what if tobe hooper brought in a different composer? Would it have had more of a tobe hooper? Feel that is something to because the music does play such a large part of it especially in those opening credits and just how light and cheerful it is and you do feel that warmth coming out of the music it's just such a beautiful score. We're talking about the remake and I did find it very interesting that. The Tangent of character has been switched to a male and that it is jared Harrison here and I think that that also helps undo the message that we saw from the first movie. Now, it is a male character that's coming in and saving the day and cleaning the house doing all of those things and I just felt a little bad that now it is switched. So now it's And of course, they used to be a couple he and and the Dr Lesch type character used to be a couple and then they're going to get back together at the end. So it's almost like this reunification of the family who is going through hard economic times plus it's a reunification of the parapsychologists who have had their own ups and downs and I was like that's a little much. I think if it had been presented a little bit differently, I would have been all for it but there are just so many ideas in themes that are kind of law that you that mirror the first one but it's not they're not really set up in any meaningful way. So they feel kinda hollow the as Vincenzo said, I don't want to. Be Harsh on it like it's not a bad movie. It's just maybe if it holter clerk geist I expect something when I show up to a poltergeist movie and this didn't deliver in any of those areas. I. Think if you talked to a lot of people about why they found the clown sees in the original scarier effective if you ask them why. I think that they would have an answer for you and I don't think the answer would be because it was there and that's kind of how it was presented in the remake Google scary because it's a clown and it's in front of you but that's not why it worked. So there's the moment when the robby ash. In the tree is slamming against the window and it's just like a branch slapping the window I thought kid win things that was scary. A kid might find that annoying a kid would find Robbie's tree scary that weird stump that looks like a little thigh reaching out at them. That's what a kid would think was scary. And then it felt like Oh this isn't through the Lens. This isn't the same point of view as poltergeist so it doesn't really work for me. There's just a lot of stuff like that and there is removal of of the like the feminine. That is so rampant in the original but I also say there's a removal of anything that really worked great in the original for me. So yeah, I didn't I'm not a huge fan. But. Maybe if it had been called like Spooky House I'd be like Oh. Yeah. That was a good scary how like haunted house movie but it wasn't it was supposed to be poltergeist can I say unequivocally that I eight remix I know some that all the time and I don't Wanna Resurrected debate and I know, yes there are good remakes of fly in the thing and so on. But those remakes were may were remakes of movies that were made when the culture was radically different with the technology was radically different the original sly as its merits, but it's kind of ridiculous film. David number remade it cultural completely transformed it was a it was a different kind of society. So that premise had an opportunity to be reinterpreted in a way that made it entirely unique to that moment. It's very hard to remake something like older guy style because it has to be about this moment otherwise, it just becomes the Sir Hollow Echo of something that existed before I feel like that film is a perfect example of that because again i. Don't want to disparage the craft involved and I think the cast is really strong and I think there was even some really strong writing in it too. But ultimately, it was a very hollow experience and I feel like that's because it was created cynically was it was something that was advised purely nate my and by MPM CAESAR WANNA remix every single thing in their catalog and cancelling me as a studio aren't capable of making anything new and so he'll. visit it really fascinating to watch these three movies back to back because we feel in the first film warmth of that movie on every level like it isn't it true Horror film especially his tremendously emotional emotionally charged warm moody and in the rebate because I'm inside this process sometimes I can hear the conversations going on behind scenes as to why certain decisions are vate. while. The clowns. Possibly be released clowns like why would rob be have a clown like why would you ever had that toy? It has to be something was leftover from people who were in the house before there's a kind of logic that is being applied to the movie that undermines the emotional impact of it, and it is very modern way of writing and kind of a modern way of corporate making where you have a lot of people a lot of voices involved in the process of writing a script and so yeah that. Was An interesting watching that because it is not a pleasurable movie to watch did you it and all I? I found it? I was impressed like at certain points again, I think the directors gives his director, but I did not enjoy that movie at all. That was depressing film. It's strange that it starts off with them buying the house if they're already in financial straits and then getting the house versus them being in a pleasant position at the beginning and then having their world turned upside down, it feels like they've already kind of had their world turned upside down. The middle child is really not well adjusted to anything. I hear all day long at school as. This wonderful Marsha did that Marcia Marcia Marcia I don't feel anything from the Karelian character Christine talked about how much you love job with Williams and it's like, yeah I would like Joe. Beth Williams through my mom I'd like Craig T. Nelson. To Be my dad I love Sam Rockwell. But I don't really want them to be my daddy's kind of a scum bucket in this and then Rosemary dewitt. She seems pleasant enough but I don't really ever know her I don't get inside of these characters with them. I don't feel like I'm a part of their family. None of the characters feel particularly present and bats a- bummer. I. Do think that when you remake, you need to kind of embrace current circumstances in the climate and I actually think that having them be struggling with money is super relatable. A cool idea because sure and eighty-two buying house was like a normal thing that you do when families live in houses but ain't like that now. So to have it maybe like a bit of a fractured family and everybody's struggling in. This House that they're not really happy with which was still a nice house if that had been the base and then we had gotten to know them and they grew when they came together which I think the movie tried to do. But I didn't feel that I could write it on paper and tell you that's what happened. But I didn't that wasn't like evoked in me, and that's a real miss because it could have been cool. The moment when Sam Rockwell goes out and goes on that buying spree with the last. Credit Card. That seems have any money on it. That's devastating. Seem to me and I don't think that it comes across as devastating as it is you know like I up in a house that had a lot of money troubles that seems like something my dad would have done and been completely irresponsible and done something horrible like that but it doesn't carry the weight. The feels like almost as soon as that's over them were back into the haunting and it's like, no no, you really need to deal with this domestic stuff i. It's either that scene as either a huge issue that is going to run through the rest of the narrative or it's not that big of a deal and I don't think it really took a stay. It's like it was like Oh. This is a big deal, but we're not going to mention or she's not going to yell at him and tell him to return everything. I just the idea of somebody coming home with pizza when of. Meal is already being cooked just set me on edge. I was like, what are they doing? Didn't he? Why didn't he ask what I grew up with money problems as well? So I was like, what is he doing? This is this is huge, but it wasn't treated that way but I could see why you would introduce the idea or that scene into the into the film again, it just didn't carry the weight that it needed to. Feel, like it reflected the moment but as a film it was. Utterly, depressing experience and again I mean I I know how much work goes into something like that and I feel like they're real talent applied to it in some some smart stuff but there's something very depressing to me about how that would reflect on the current state of movie making in Hollywood because that movie exists for very cynical reasons it doesn't exist someone had a great idea how to remake poltergeist existed has somebody needed to make a remake of poltergeist? We got a hot property that's cash in. That's all it was I feel like that movie or than most truly captures its moment and his. Moment that will never return. Perhaps that's why it's so difficult to create because that moment has has absolutely pastels. It's gone and will never return. You know the kind of joyous enthusiasm with which it was made in in the spirit of being a kind of Fried I. Don't think we can really do that anymore because I think the world's too scary I mean I think it's a great moment for her thumbs right now but I don't think are felt to be playful the way they were because right now the stakes are too high. So it's it's a it exists very special capsule and should be. We're GONNA take our final break here and play an interview with the director of Poltergeist Two Thousand Fifteen, Gil? Kenan and we'll be back with that right after these brief messages. You like over movies. So do we? On our own. Great. Do you like American Horror Story? Do We? There's some yup? Yup. Yup Gillen's. Killing it's over ninety percent cheek that's your you see the essence of the. Vampires Dancing and Mitch tank tells us to I. WASN'T A. Tank. 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You're Damn mother-in-law's a cult member tune the outside the cinema baby you know find out what's going on Reverend Scott and that's out. Obviously. I. Want to ask you about poltergeist but I really want to know. A little bit more about you and how you ended up getting into filmmaking and especially I mean you're feature debut is Mr. House, seems like such an auspicious debut. I got into filmmaking. I guess like most people through film watching unloving and. I grew up in a few different places but sort of ended up and did most of my growing up in Reseda California, which is as storied movie suburb. It's where you said a character when you WANNA suggest that he's just on the wrong side of the tracks that like has access to their aspirations I did know growing up that movies were the thing I had most of my transformative experiences happened in movie theaters usually watching things that I wasn't supposed to that blew my mind and freaked me out like my dad took me to see the tyndrum in the theater when I was six, maybe not the right age I learned basically about human sexuality. In the drum everything I know about socks I learned a bit syndrome like that less a solid imprint but I guess it never really liked them and I I I was lucky enough to have There was a chain in southern California call twenty, twenty video that had a really great cult section and there was one within walking distance of my house and I was allowed. Had A long leash in what I was allowed to rent, and mostly it was just you know driven by covers like VHS covers. So that was kind of ally how I made my way through through films. and. That was kind of the the sowing, the seeds, but then I as I got a little older going into junior high and high school I started writing stories making books illustrating. Ma'am. Got Really into animation in the concept of being able to do. On. My own without needing an apparatus and being able to tell sort of big stories in my bedroom became something that is exciting and possible. So I started making sorta table top models and creating small dark animated shorts. And at the same time I was getting really into theater and that was basically one of the things that kind of saved me in high school. It gave me a framework to figure out who I was people were. and. Really Theater was sort of the place. I cut my teeth in terms of being able to work with actors right and conceptualize drama that really came through theater. But then the northridge earthquake came and put an abrupt end to my theater career. I was a senior, the senior high school I was directing a British sex forest on the on the big stage at high. School? I just finished my dress rehearsals and it was kind of a big deal to be able to get my own slot usually was the theater direct that the head of the theater program, the teacher who who directed the plays, and she knew this was my passion that erecting I had such a nerd I had like a but what I really want to do is direct T. shirt that I wore most days. In junior and senior year. So she shirt at face value and and gave me one of those slots and I decided to be clever imported British sex forest this twenty run for your wife by Ray Cooney, and it would have been a disaster but then like. The night of their last dress rehearsal. Was the northridge earthquake and the first car on my street that dawn as fires were still raging all able hood and the only people who were sort of moving around the streets were the National Guard was this Ford Aerostar that drove up towards me inside was my drama teacher she was balling her Mascaro is running cheeks and she said it's all gone and the theater collapsed swallowed by the Earth everything had to be rebuilt but that was the end of my theater career and I. At though, I pivoted to the film and started making more assured. It's went through college. Then apply to film school when t cla made a thesis film, Bet? Got Recognition won some awards in school and it sort of was screened in showcase that UCLA my film school. Had and that showcase screening was the screening that sort of changed my life and I was given an opportunity in that out of that screening. Basically, the lobby afterwards get representation and they started sending my who's one of those films school stories that you hear about when you go to school and you think is just bullshit because it doesn't sound possible and it happened you know it wasn't automatic it goes still a year and a half of me. Free lunch, which was great eight for a year but not really much else, and then Robertson says, saw my short and would you know Doug it invited me to come in for a meeting and I, I was basically the moment that set the path of the rest of my life and emerging when you're making your animated films. When you're younger are doing them, you can't be doing them on video. You must be doing them on film or you're doing like eight super. Sixteen? I had I had I get him in garage sales and had a super eight camera and a little super eight editor, and I would drive down to Hollywood and drop them off at this lab. Obviously is long gone doesn't exist anymore those probably just kept the float by people bringing like blue home movies in for fifty years. But Then need breathing some weird like claymation duck. That's you know that's like breathing. Its last breath says it's being cooked in a VAT of it's a liquid that was kinda how I made movies and. For a while I was shooting them on film, and then I would transmit could really afford to continue down the super eight process because it was really complicated making an inter negative and a print, and I wasn't really making them for festivals. I. Didn't really know I mean spike and Mike's was around there wasn't much else and now all of that stuff seem like out of out of reach. So I was really just make human because I was I had to tell stories and Yeah. So that's that's how that's how that happened. Telling. You did animation then was your thesis film was that animated I was kind of always one foot in each camp and even all through animation. The animation program at Ucla, which is what I. got my masters in. Kind of incorporating live action whether spruyt spy pixel a pixelated. Or optical printing. So this is big ribs. INSKEEP was like a huge influence for me, and I was really excited also by the the process that was used to create the original Tron, which was like the masterpiece optical printing, and so I tried to find a way to tell a story I. I had a story that I have to figure out how to tell it, and then I thought that actually a reconfigured home brewed version of that process was the right way to go. So I spent a year and a half in my kitchen doing a. Slightly updated version of optical printing where I shot live action actors on completely built sets. So but all black, all the sets were black, all the props were black and then I took time to like cut them out frame by frame and and then composite them into an animated But but photo real environments, it was not the most efficient way to make a movie but. It. Didn't cost that much. The whole movie was four hundred dollars like material costs. But. Then way way more in time I guess. But yeah, that was really it was really fun and super hard to make but. So I guess the answer is there was a little bit of both in it, which is part of what kick started the conversation. But Damascus. Actually 'cause I think he saw that there was like a way to take the process that he was just starting to play with for his felt polar express and maybe take it in different directions and so because I had come in with this animation background and an an understanding that there were ways to certain cake, the good of human performance and the the sort of animation and world building than it allows you and and combine them in a in a new way that was sort of. I I'm pretty sure that was some of the stuff that got. Got that conversation to the next level. So did he already have Monster House there and a? Hey I, want you to direct this or how does that happen? How do you get connected with that? There was a brilliant script that Rob Shrub and Dan Harmon had written. They didn't write it as an animated script or mo cap script or anything. They were just these like super clever funny writers who had pitched this idea as part of like I think the story is that they did a speed pitching session of like ten ideas. A shoe that takes over the world. How that each children? Of and. And at some point of what was the last one at the house shoulder? Yeah. That's Interesting Bay had written the script. It was quite different than the still ended up being but I had been sent the script and immediately I had the script like I. Think it was two days before the meeting. I. Knew I was going to have this meeting but I didn't know there was actually going to be substance to it. I thought it would be one of the many many super cool but ultimately fruitless general meetings that I was having but then I got the script sent to me and said you. Know this guy's going to be talking about. So I read it I immediately saw what the movie could be and knew that I was able to tell that story because it evoked. So many of the same moods that I had absorbed and studied and lived through as a kid both in movie theaters and on the streets, the mean streets of Reseda it's the kind of downcast version of the prototypical suburb, which I think is totally Germane to the to the poltergeist conversation down the line but the the the idea was that there was a way to revisit the ultimate movie playground of the eighties. and. It wasn't actually called out in the script the script was written contemporary. As a sort of contemporary piece. But for me, it immediately started to live and breathe as a as a way to tap into that mood of what it was like to be a kid boats into theater and out of it. And and so and so that was kind of right there from the beginning I started to make drawings and so when I came in to sit down with the MEKA's into freak out about what this movie could be I, I had a stack of drawings with me and that's always been like the card up my sleeve when I go into a meeting when I can show people that I can see what the what the world is. It's made the conversation a little bit easier. Experience for you making that as your first feature. Yeah. It was amazing. It was like the greatest first movie experience I could imagine for myself because I had. To movie gods in Damascus in Spielberg producing my first film and even when I was just making like the. The thing where I built up all the story boards and But music to them sound effects records scratch. Dialogue, I would screen those and I had this surreal for screening experience where I honestly I think I kept waiting for the big to just sort of. Go Away like are we let we let him goof around now we're going to get serious about this and and it never happened in it and it didn't happen. To degree where I I remember the lights coming up in one of these screenings in the ambulance screening room on the universe a lot and I just screened the first version of the antibiotic. It was like just under ninety minutes. But almost like the whole movie and the lights came up, it was just the three of us in the theater and and I bob started talking asking some questions and Steven Pretty soon, it turned into this. Conversation where where Damascus was invoking concepts of storytelling. But he had sort of crafted in the back to the future films and and then Spielberg started referencing et's and and I just remembered having this out of body experience with that Mormon reminding me take it for granted. This was actually happening and that we were talking about these drawings that I was putting up on the screen Anyway it was it was pretty surreal and both of them did. An incredible job protecting me and the and the film that they would drive down to culver city and sit on either side of me every studio meeting just not even not even really be vocal or or combative, which is there is a show of support because I would've been completely swallowed up by the system making this giant movie for Giant Corporation and which happened to me later on with my second felt at the end because I didn't have been sitting on either side of me. It was definitely an ideal environment to create a first film and and and I was really fortunate in that there. Over, and over again, they went to bat for me and let me make the film the way I had. Intended to and hoped to down to you know bringing the composer who had scored my student film. Five stood the score of Onstar House just like those sort of like that that kind of advocacy is hard to find it later in your career, let alert on your first film so I was as really. I know luck had a lot to do with it in I was I was definitely the beneficiary, a ticket that great experience for your first film and I'm sure the second film is exactly like that if not better. So much so much. About the process of making my second film was great until it wasn't that it's it's hard to I, mean the staging event and filming. Had some real euphoria to it. I was able to really build and cast the film to a degree and shoot it really without very much interference and the world only came crumbling down as I went into cutting room So this is city of Ember, my second film, which was sort of famous disaster in that it was kind of it fell between the cracks of two studios really the studio that had made it was about to go into receivership or bankruptcy, and a lawyer took over the company and became chief creative executor of the, which is really great. If you WANNA make good money you get a lawyer to oversee all the creative. that would really painful wine and it's actually lea- weirdly up not connected to this conversation although strangely timed I was going through an old drawer yesterday where I keep all of my weird old movie memorabilia and at the bottom it I found distinct I did looking for for fifteen years, which was my director's cut of city of Ember which only got screened once in one friends. And family sort of test screening before they took the movie over and re cutted and and ruined. So I thought that thing was gone forever. I was really excited to find it 'cause of one day maybe the scars will heal and I'll be able to restore it and and and thinking see the light of day. So it was all post production is what killed you on that? basically the movie with the screened the movie once and I don't know what they thought they were making but I think I was pretty clear from the beginning that we were making a post apocalyptic underground city family film and you know there's a lot to be excited about but also some huge marketing challenges. That come with it come the territory and I was excited to embrace solid those that I felt like that was you know I, had a little bit of cloud coming off Monster House and I felt really excited to be able to make something of that continue to push the concept of family film. Once in the way that I had grown now with of lucere concept, not disrespecting a younger audience and their parents and making a more challenging experience or more perplexing winds weirder one. So all of those things were front and center in my mind kind of still lar- you know in in in in the choices that I make but they were not ready for and to basically the they fired my. And Douglas Composer my daughter was being born at just at that moment my wife who was an art director on the film was like Oh just before that and Just like it was it was a really difficult difficult moment and for all the people who heard the first part of the story and we're thinking fuck that asshole. Forgetting. All those all those things handed to him after his rece-. Film sort of lined up magically. Get the second act that you were hoping for because it was definitely like the tests and it was really hard I. I was able to sort of recoup some measure of of control just at the end of the cutting process and I really just came in because I love the actors in the concept of the world that we built much that I really didn't want to think to just get crapped out what I wish I could have. Gone. Back to say look is you're not going to sell this movie anyway let's just admit that you didn't get the movie you wanted you're not going to put any money into it just released the that I'm proud of least we can have something that some people will be cited about may be in twenty years and and ultimately they just thought they could recoup some money by re cutting and turning it into something that I wasn't I was really sad I learned a big lesson there about sort of senior politics and ultimately the idea that when you're creating a product that somebody is going to need to sell it's really import aid that you're looking each other in the eye and you know exactly what you're making together. That was that was really hard and then I decided I was kind of had a few other experiences after that where things got close but didn't really happen and then I decided okay I'm I'm sort of leaving the studio side for a while if I if I'm going to say no to a lot of big, I was offered some big studio movies after that and just So scarred by ember that I said, no to a lot of things and I really. I'm not I don't regret any of that is either the movies didn't turn out into something that I would have been proud of, or you know nobody went to go see them. I decided to take some time to write and I I really turned off everything. I got a a a small office and and put my energy into into into the craft of storytelling and wrote a film that I got very, very close to making a few times called a giant that was an independent but very expensive film about this guy who never stopped growing who was about. Eighteen feet tall on the film starts, and then that didn't happen and sort of it at a moment where I thought. Well, I had a pretty interesting run. I I got a couple of meetings back to back on one of those meetings was. Sam Rainy where he brought up poltergeists and and and so I had one more one more whack at making a movie. That far that sort of worked out. So you didn't have a lot of parental supervision. Had you seen poltergeist where fan of the original I had not seen a theater, but it was one of the one of the intriguing cult or horror VHS covers that I had brought home with me and and was absolutely transformative. So that movie had a huge impact on me and I remember the feeling and and this this happened a few times in my in my experience is a movie lover where I would watch something in a felt like the fabric between the world of the movie in the world that was growing up in was permeable or there was some connection. Solid and I definitely felt that with poltergeist which was shot not far from from where I grew up which added or the exteriors. Valley, which is one valley over the story and and and Bridgier but much more soulful San. Fernando, valley where where I did most of my growing up, it was important movie for me. Also in that it tap into a tone that I think really like worked its way into my bloodstream. That that kind of grounded but slightly. Slightly heightened comic tone that never really leaves even when the horror goes full tail and I was I was really excited about Sam Remy who was obviously another. Film God of Mine and and I felt like I had such a good experience working with filmmakers that I really respect and and look up to, and so I felt like you know working with him as a producer on the film with setting the table in a way that made me a little bit less hesitant low. I was really worried about getting. Obvious reasons and a lot of them ended up being. Accurate like the the warning signs that I was feeling at the beginning about just even even waiting into the pool were definitely there right from the beginning but there were enough things that as a as a storyteller pulling me that I just couldn't resist. So I was trying to figure out what to do because I was like you know as I mentioned. This is a sort of warts and all window into by into my career so far and I was really like not sure how to approach the the choice of making this film or not and. I called I called Robertson. To ask advice and I don't know if he's told this story but I-, he told me this little story that somehow made all the difference where he was like he sort of laughed a little bit said poltergeist I remember them. I remember when Stephen was working on that he was producing it. We were all sharing an office, Bob Gale and and Bob's Meka's were retooling back to the future because they're I pass famously. Didn't fly was too expensive. And at and they were retooling the the script. While while. Stephen in the next office was building up his draft for poltergeist and he brought him in for a sort of story pitching section and they were just all throwing horror gags at each other and and just saying you know what? If this happened? What if this happened what happened and somehow him telling me that made the thing feel like, okay it was less knit listless thing that toby huber and Steven Spielberg to God's. Sort of created out of galvanized celluloid something that was like a complete, an unsullied construct that was born whole. It was like anything else something that a bunch of bunch of storytellers like worked on and labored on is a was a piece of crap that I really I really. He. Told me just what he's. He probably knew I needed to hear to feel liberated to be like I just you know whatever it's a story just go tell it like don't don't worry about it too much like you feel like you can do something that's honest and then you can get psyched about just going going make dogs are excited. So that was really helpful bit of information and then I toby hooper about it I, stock him at a at a at a screening. There was a feel is there was a A A. New Tenant, a restored print of Texas chainsaw massacre. So incredible to see a full house on a big screen. Totally amazing I tracked down. and. And told him that I was I was working. I was thinking about working on this thing and he was just like go for it. Have Fun. You know basically he was like just like, yeah. I. mean he might have been more like I don't care like, why are you bothering me that you're stepping on my? But but it I heard A. Some sort of a give you my blessing and so I felt like slightly better about the whole concept of it at that point. I know how hard it is, and at that point I'd I'd had all the all the highs and lows of what what the process of of carrying about something and knowing how much of myself I have to put into movie just to get it off the ground. Let alone shoot it and then and then crafted and release it that I just wanted to make sure that I was going to be able to do. That and look myself in the base afterwards that was that was really a I definitely was protected by the those conversations. I felt like they gave me a good foundation at least for myself to be able to do it. Obviously, the audience has their own relationship to a classic film and those are very very difficult and very personal relationships to wade into and so bad part you can't really ever prepare for or. At that's more of a case by case scenario but but for myself as as as a as a storyteller I felt prepared by the time we waited into it. So that was that's how that's how that thing happened. How do you decide I'm going to keep this I'm GonNa Change this summer to create something new off of this I mean what's that process like for you? He was definitely a process of trying to think about an maybe some of this. Happened on the side of the producers before I came on. But I remember when I first came on to to develop the script with David Lindsay bear who wrote the thing that there was a sort of half in half out concept that it was a sequel nunnery booth and the sequel side of it was really never quite developed like it was developed as the idea that television had some continuity between the original and it felt like that's A. Bad idea felt superficial to me that an object a proverb especially warned admit something. So different by the time we were making the film had the continuity, and so I remember sort of lobbying for that to be worked out and to make the fanatic idea the the sort of spiritual connection between the two films. The idea of what suburb is that in the original poltergeist and that was definitely like inherent in the script that David Lindsay Barra road, which was A. Sort of reexamination of the American suburb, it was a it was after the economic collapse of two thousand and seventy, thousand eight. A lot of the neighborhoods had been completely re contextualised by the foreclosure disaster that this country went through and so there was just as opportunity to say, okay and I guess for me a filmmaker, my touchstone, the way I enter a story is through the relationship of place and character. It's what I've always been curious about it's what I'm chasing. Doing Chase it and the in the films that I develop and making right now, and so for me, there was just as opportunity to to you know scratch a little bit deeper in the ground and reevaluate the relationship of the American suburbs to this very story varying like prototypical American horror film and the the original poltergeists sort of took what we all felt comfortable with was this relationship we have with these big spacious houses would expansive lawns and that our neighbors all have houses that are just like ours in everyone lives their life with some sort. Comfortable repetition and turn that on its ear by suggesting that there is a rotten core at the center of it. That's going to swallow us all. Right and so there was an opportunity to reevaluate that basic premise and I thought that was interesting and and then and then I got to start thinking about these characters and casting it and and that was another place where I felt really excited by being able to bring the family together rinker by Rosemary dewitt, and Sam Rockwell who I felt you know could could really bring a a kind of reality a looseness to the thing and so it was it was it was a lot of those factors that. Came into play. For my money, you cannot get better than Sam Rockwell he I love everything that he's ever done. No matter what it is he just brings such A. Different energy to everything and I was so glad that. He is kind of this neutered father. He's not the Craig t Nelson who has the physical presence as well as the You know he's actually part of the suburb. You know he's he works with the suburb and everything and you've got Sam Rockwell and the whole family coming in at the beginning and we see them before they move into the house and we hear more about their story and we hear as you're talking about the. Economic? Downturn and that he is without a job at the beginning and the woman is the breadwinner I was just like, okay. That's a really clever way of approaching this and then that the such that tenseness when he goes out and buys things that he shouldn't be buying that was the first thing we we found actually it was It was important for Salmon for myself to to figure out that that that that character had this massive. Him that he felt like he couldn't define himself because he. He grew up with this idea that he needed to provide for his family and a lost good ability to do that and fell like he was lost himself and so you know there's there's this concept that was kind of woven into it, which is trying to equate the idea of the lost people or the spirits that we're unsettled with the family themselves who were feeling economically and socially addressed the they'd all moved away from the place where they lived before which the ideas that they're they're downsizing or or downgrading their life in some way by moving suburb, and that's another way of sit suggested by the time this film was made was. Two Thousand Fourteen two thousand fifteen that the suburbs meant something else he was no longer aspirational it had become the sort of the the it become a refuge. A. Or or a wasteland depending on where you where you live. Yeah. Those were all thematic. Elements that that that we were we were chasing and I remember I had a really One of the great experiences of making that film was trying to convince Sam Rockwell to do the movie. Because he's really picking and as he should be, which is as you say, like shows in filmography because he makes choices that usually is not embarrassed and that's not an automatic process for him and it's definitely not. A. Money driven process for him. He's an artist and he chooses very specifically what he works on and so the process of getting him involved and took me going down to New York twice and getting a apartment that then he and I would spend two weekends and over the course of the development of of the film, you would bring his dog. And and we. We put the movie up on its legs basically where with with him acting out the. Entire script than me doing all the rest of the parts and work shopping every single scene in the fell just to start feeling it out and I've done that a couple times of actors and it's totally incredible way to start to understand what we're after If you if you understand the movie as of piece of writing not just as a piece of you know as a guide for shooting performing, you have a totally different relationship with it. By the you do have to go in and share it with three hundred people with trucks and Craft, service tables, and all that stuff It's a it's a really good foundation to build. So that was that was a really that was so cool I love doing that I do have to ask you how was it working with Bob Tapper, and Sam Ramey. Awesome. So Sam is the greatest Bob am was mostly working on the film cy on TV side of what they were working on at that point although he was a huge booster of the film and was a great sport if producer but Sam, Raimi is the ultimate movie lover and the. The greatest audience you could ever ask for whenever you're screening something. You've been very very rough version of the found because for him every time he's watching something it's like a kid in a matinee screening in their towns local local theater. You would see a transformation take place where he opens himself up and I think you can tell that in his movies too. As as you know the movie she makes there is such a joy and alarmed for the for the art form and the craft and and so it was really an absolutely. Positive and I learned so much from him and one of the great gift he gave me was sharing Bob Morowski. The help me cut cut the the film and Bob is a legend and I know a friend of the shows and was brought in this great and narcotic spirit into the bringing thing in working on a boycott Christmas and then you've also got ghostbusters afterlife which I think was supposed to come out this year. But now it's been pushed because of the virus. What you can on I or are you even? because. You're one of these directors that you've got so many things listed on IMDB pro or it's just like in development in development. One of the best things I've ever done as stop looking MVP completely and I really feel like my life became so much easier for myself to manage out I-. Ghostbusters is almost done. It was going to come out this July Jason Reitman and and I conceived and that thing over the course of a year I guess two thousand eighteen is when we wrote it and then Jason went off to go and shoot that and I went off to go shoot avoid called Christmas. All around Europe so that that's my main day job for the last two years I've been mostly based out of London I'm in Los Angeles right now but I'm about to move back to London for the next year to finish that film and so it's it's a huge movie and there's a there's a much more animation in that film than anything I've made other than Monster House I've been working with a brilliant animation Effects House in London to bring this thing to life and it's it's pretty close on called be I'll be wrapping it up in the winter. And then it'll come out probably because of the question mark hanging over the whole concept of the ethical distribution right now, it to will be released in Christmas and twenty twenty one. Yeah. At the moment a happened, you happen to be catching me at a moment we're actually have two movies that are happening which is. Very different world in ten years ago. How did you? Get, together to come up with the with ghostbusters and I mean, that's Especially after the last ghostbusters is takes a lot of hubbub. Go back to that. Well, with goes all talk more about my relationship with Jason and then to the film itself I think it's it. I'd love to have a follow up conversation with you about it closer to its release route a respect for that process to allow the film to be finished. But actually when I was making Monster House I had a felt that a few dalliances in my life where I've tried to pretend to myself that I'm able to play organized sports. It's really only happened for two brief flashes before. Everything else proves me wrong. I would have been moving to a way to quote unquote blow up some steam while I was editing by I I decided to pick up adult amateur ice hockey. On Wednesday nights next to the culver studios where I was making that film in Los Angeles and. Then I went. To one of these open amateur nights and I was in the locker room lacing up and I got into a conversation with the guy was leasing up in skates next to me and it was just sort of like a hey, how are you? Good how are you? What are you doing? What do you do? I'm making a movie. Oh really. It's my first one, my making my first one. So he was he was editing. Thank you for smoking and I was editing Monster House and we struck up a friendship that. Had since then and and we only started writing together maybe four or five years ago and that sort of came about on a couple of scripts that we wrote together and really enjoyed the process but the scripts never got made. We found that as two directors knew what we were looking for in in storytelling and dialogue we were kind of able to activate each other in ways that was really fun to do and ghostbusters was something that. We had talked about a couple of times but but hadn't really opened the door to, and then I remember one day we were just walking around in his backyard and he asked me again about it and pitched one idea and back just the floodgates and I started pitching back to him in the moon kind of very quickly over the course of a couple of days built up a concept. We took a year to write the damn thing but. Had such firm thematic foundations, which is what I really the trick I've learned over my career is that you can do a lot of things to a movie in the process of making it and unmaking editing and whatever. But the one thing that you have to really understand at the very beginning of everything is is is what the damn thing is what it's about and not what it's about in a plot way but you know on a on a deeper level but that's the thing that audience really ultimately is taking away when they leave the theater thing but sort of haunts them or irritates them or makes them passionate or You know. So so really it was it was it was had super strong foundations and and it made the processes crafting it One of one of the one of the real joy jug high in this business so far. So I'm really excited about that I kind of feel the same way about you know I'm I'm I'm GonNa Catch me. In a good moment. I'm really happy with with my film a boy called Christmas even though it's so far away from being seen by people. I. Just I felt like the process of making it and studios have been making a web and produce more than with this is one of those situations where maybe it's because it's a European feral Ultimately. I've had the room to tell the story with the support to not feel like it's I've been fighting against immovable wall, and so I'm super psyched about it. I can't wait for audiences to see it is this your first time shooting in Europe? Well number shot in Belfast. which is sort of somewhere in between but. These days. Yeah. Yeah. So not not really I. I guess that was I was born in London. So I had this kinda weird two and a half years at the beginning of our life in London. Bevan's I have a passport and it means I'm basically like a secret. British citizen. And so So it was it was my first time, but it this one, a definitely a European production with a capital. We shot in Finland and the Arctic Circle and Slovakia. In Prague and in London in a few places in London By the way when I was in Prague, your check new wave dalliances of the podcast came in really helpful because I got really into like Marquette. And and a few other check check new wage standards and found the conversations really helpful in in sort of processing my excitement for the film's. Thank you. Thanks for listening I. Appreciate It. Cool. So yeah, that's that's kind of where I'm at Gil. Thank you so much. This was great. Such a nice conversation. 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