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GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 151: Interview with John H Brown

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GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 151: Interview with John H Brown

"Golden State media concepts. Bring you book review podcast by haven for bookworm of all ages and the whitest genres from mystery to memoirs romance to comedy fantasy to Sifi if you love to read this is the podcast for you. It's the Golden State media concepts book review podcast. Hello. And welcome to the GMC book view podcast. Brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I am your host, Sarah. And I am happy to be with you again for another author interview. I hope you're having a great week. It is the week before Easter often known as holy week. So for those of you who celebrate Easter happy holy week to you for those of you who don't celebrate Easter happy Tuesday. Hope you're having a great week. So as I said, I do have another author interview for you today. I was pleased to interview John H Brown this past weekend about his new book, all these war. Let me give you the description of that book. Aussies war is outrageously funny, but deadly serious novel of war family and coming of age Augie Compton has to find a way to survive his deployment to Vietnam. So he escapes the horror and insanity of war by retreating to his safe haven, a cerebral sanctuary where he can reflect on family and friends humorous incidents and a coterie of unforgettable characters from back home. But now as tour is about to end, the war intensifies, he faces a legal and moral dilemma when corrupt superiors make criminal demands on him if he refuses to comply he might end up dead of victim of friendly fire. So now, it's up to all to survive both the war and the demands of disreputable disreputable officers. In order to make it home in one piece. So this is a book about the Vietnam war in some ways. But it is let me back up and say that I was a history major. I'm sure I've mentioned that before and a lot of history centers on politics and were understandably those things kind of you know, drive the world a lot. War was while I understand its importance in history. The the details of never been my favorite thing to study. So I'm not I'm not immediately drawn to books about war necessarily do if talked about World War Two novels. I do read a lot of World War Two novels. But if you have noticed it's the relationships in those stories, it's the the story beyond the war. And I haven't done a lot of reading of novels or books about Vietnam. So on the one hand this was really interesting to read in an era of history that I haven't read as much on. But also, it's it is a book about Vietnam. But it's so much more than that. Because it's about relationships. It's about the things that Augie struggles with it's about the things Augie does and thinks about in order to make it through the situation and the. He's in. So it is almost two parallel novels where you have Augie in Vietnam. And then Augie in Riverview where he grew up. So he his mind he goes home to review, and he thinks about everything that led up to his deployment to Vietnam he thinks about the people that he came in contact with. And there are some really interesting secondary characters not even secondary characters just characters he talks about briefly of that. We're in his town that he grew up with that made an impression, and so yeah, there's a lot of humor. It is a very serious topic. There are very serious issues and dark issues that are dealt with in the book. And yet there is warmth. There is humor, and I really loved all of the exploration of relationships and the way those relationships and the familiarity of home can really help someone like Augie in the situation that he finds himself in. So that is the description of the book that is my brief synopsis of the book. And now, let's let Jon talk about his book. So again, the book is all these war. It is by John H Brown, and I do have actually signed copies of the book to give away. So if you're interested in this book, stay tuned to the end of the episode, and you can find out how to enter to win a copy of all these war. In the meantime, let's go ahead and turn to that interview with John H Brown. Hi, john. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you to be here. It is great to have you here. And we are here to talk about your book on these war before we get to the book, though, I would love to just get to know you a little bit. So if you could share a little about yourself. Sure. Sure. Well, I guess I can just tell you personal. I am a senior citizen. I'm seventy three years old live in Charleston, West Virginia. I'm originally from a little town in northern West Virginia called Clarksburg. That's where I was born and raised and while my name is Brown. My father zairy moved to where my mother lived in West Virginia, and she's a K. And so I grew up with enough make talion American influence a large family. My grandfather who came over from collaborative in around nineteen hundred worked in the coal mines for for about fifteen years, and then saves money and build a bakery. So I grew up working in my grandfather's bakery and on my cousins. And so that influence was big part of of. My upbringing eventually want to college graduated from western university in nineteen sixty eight trying to put it off as long as I could. Because the the Vietnam war was raising wasn't particularly interested in in and going there. But unfortunately, got drafted went to Vietnam served a year there came back and basically wanted to write about my experiences over there at always been a writer on the journalism graduate from West Virginia university and started writing, but then life got in. We got married and had a child and had to go a real job. So at the put the book on the back burner, and it's stayed there. Every now, and then I would pull it out start writing something, but basically stayed there for almost fifty years until I retired from my public relations business and about. Two and a half years ago. And that's when I began writing war. Okay. So it's sounds from what you just shared about yourself in from what? And from the book that this is it's it's a novel. But it sounds kind of like a fictionalized memoir somewhat. Well, you know, what it's people ask me that question all the time, and certainly one of my college English professors when I was in school, we're talking about fiction writing and nonfiction, and basically said that no matter what you do you need to write about what you know comes and even if you're a scholarly person, and you write about something that is in authentic if people pick it up, and so yes, it's it's semi autobiographical. I suppose Augie in a lot of ways resembles me in terms of some of my experiences, and so yet, but it, but it's, but it is fiction. I mean, the I changed. They moved my hometown, August the hometown. And but it is set in the early parts of it are set in in West Virginia. But yeah, so I guess I guess they're elements of autobiography in it. But again, it's it's a lot of it is this out of the disease mind of of me. So what was your jumping off point? What was your your inspiration for the book? We have always been big rear read a lot of different things. And I was really when I was younger. I read a lot about World War Two growing up in college and was really influenced by Joseph Keller and the few his book catch twenty two. It's I think it's one of the great novels of the last century, and it it's it's a almost, and it was kind of you know, I think it was published in the sixties or maybe even the late fifties. But it was definitely gave you a different look about militar about the military industrial complex about wars and who fights them and how insane they are. And I was really taken by him. And I thought some point I'd like to right not. Necessarily like Joseph pillory because he he's a great writer, and I wouldn't want to try to mimic him. But when I got in the army, and I had some experiences. I realize a lot of this stuff that he wrote about even though it sounded really crazy with was kind of realistic. I mean truth sometimes stranger than fiction, so when I began to write the book, I thought, well, you know, what that's an element that that I really need to talk about and that an in my novel. There are a lot of interesting characters and some some which some of whom are are strange. And but but again, I think that they they represented kind of what we have soldiers head deal with particularly as it related to the the the officers and the people that ran our division where I worked. So I I use that. And I also I. Like to think of my book is is more than a war book. Because when I was writing it, I was really concerned that it would just, you know, people people looking to certain demographics would only be interested in it. So went to great lengths to have about ten professional women friends of mine be bay readers of the manuscript. And so they they really helped me a lot gave me some pointers told me what they liked and didn't like so I think ultimately the finished product is really about war. Yes. But it's also about coming of age, it's about family, and I think. And this is no criticism of people who have written about Vietnam fiction about being on. But most of them are kind of blood and guts, and they don't really get into the real wives of of the men and the women who served over their love interests, you know, home family, and and I think probably there's as much of that in my novel. Is there is about the actual retina more ingred? Yeah. On the ten to take his home life. He he brings with him to Vietnam and that that kind of helps him to cope. So we get we get a lot of the backstory than his family through that. I am going to jump in here. So that we can take our first break of the podcast when we come back. We talking more about Augie as the main character and more about the book and general, so stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC Booker you podcast, and I will be right back. Always on the go. But the day just be one without your Hollywood fix foot Golden State media concepts that are ten baht cast take care of that all inclusive look of pot cool Scher. Welcome back to the GMC Booker view podcast. And my interview with John H Brown about his book, Aussies war. What about all think will resonate with readers? Well, you know, I think I think that. The the the human experience our daily lives. I think that people will recognize in Augie lot of the things that if they come from a large family, for example, they'll recognize the the importance of that they'll Bill dentist with him is being a certain social class. He he certainly is family wasn't wealthy. But they had a lot of a lot of wealth in other ways. I mean, there was love in the family. There's hard work that you could depend on people. So I think in in the human side of of all war the characters I think will be easily identifiable, but also kind of unique I their certain people in our country who maybe second third fourth generation. We're no we're all land of immigrants, but and they may not recognize some of the ethnic kinds of backers that I bring into the mall one. I think and the other thing that I wanted to do was I think if you read the book your recognize there's a lot of humor some of it's kind of be, but some of the characters are really kind of humorous, it's kind of a dark novel that respect it's funny. I had one review said that always wore was grim, but very funny war novel. And I think a lot of people enjoy the humor my kind of weird sense of humor, I guess some through. But you know, the only way you get through things like that, you know, very, very traumatic experiences. I think they have a sense of humor and to find something funny and otherwise very available dangerous environment. And when I was in the Lom that certainly we we took every opportunity that we had to kinda lighten things up because there was so much that was dark around us. And in any event, I I wanted to show that that you know, that you can survive in a lot of ways the way August revived the of what was through his friends over there, they serve with or even friends, and then when things got really bad he was flashed back to growing up and some some of the people that he grew up with his family others and remember incidents, particularly humorous incidents of that helped him get through the experience. This is based partly on some of your experiences. Did you do any particular research for the book or? Yeah. One of the great things, you know. I don't know that I would have patience. If I'd written this book, if I if you told me, right, but thirty years or even twenty five I've probably would would have been too lazy to spend all my hours in the library looking things up. But but thank goodness for the internet and little. On you know, it's it's a Burr virtual encyclopedia. And so I wanted to make sure that every thing even though this is fiction when I talked about events that happened the historical events were really important to for me to get. Right. So I the day to write, you know, awhile. I knew a lot about weapons because I handle them. I went to great lengths to make sure that when I talked about certain artillery pieces, for example, or aircraft that that I got the terminology right? Not dependent. Lot of friends of mine who served in Vietnam cousin vine who flew C one thirties in and out of the at Phnom. So I mean, I had a lot of I did a lot of that. Plus, I just I just was very careful to make sure that everything that I said in the historical context was real. Do not talk about you know, when Augie gets drafted right before right before he gets drafted graduates. He's gonna get drafted in the spring of that year that he graduates rear for munya mental things happen. I Ted offense offensive. Listen, February at sixty eight months later, president Johnson besides because of a war. He's not gonna run for reelection a month after that, and Dr Martin Luther King assassinated, and then in June, Bobby Kennedy's a facet, you know. They were burning down the cities, and that's that's the environment under which I went into the military. I mean, so I I give all the all is experiencing. Those those same kind of historical happened stances that things that are going on. And they affect him. They affect him in basic training. There's a a major racial divide. Died that he coming from his background. Very sheltered. Life is is is he just he just can't believe how people don't like him because of the color of his skin is kind of ironic in one of the passages knows he's confronted by an inner city black kid who basically tells him said, you know, you've been messing over the the black man for four hundred years. He said, well, not me he said, you're you're you're after me because of the cover my skin, and so the black kid says to shea and he used as an epithet, but then the event so all of those things were part and parcel of. The mindset that I had when I was writing this book to recall incidents in historical facts that really. Combined to to make this a total experience. It's it's certainly literary fiction, but it's also historical fiction. I think. Yeah. -solutely? So how did you kind of? As you were writing from your own experience. But also making it a novel. How did you go about separate kind of choosing? What was out of my graphical, but what was fiction with that conscious or just kinda flow out of your writing? Yeah. I mean so little both, obviously. I mean, I I had the experience they all game when he gets to mum sports minute in that he was in a rear area as I was he becomes an awards writer as I was. So a lot of those things are fairly specific on the other hand some of the things that happened to him. And some of the things that happened to his friends. I did not have those experiences. Like, I experienced some kind of secondhand, but some of the trauma. I mean, you know, there we were attacked frequently. We we were fortunate. I was very fortunate to be out in the boonies and walking in the jungle, but what happened us as they would have grounded tax on our base. And we would have rockets onless, you know, every multiple times a week in the middle of night. So I share some of that the, but also some of the characters I strap away to the I liked to saving. Sanity of some of the some of the officers that we've had I mean, we were kind of unfortunate to where I was to have the vision was made up of a hodgepodge of people who are kind of missed from other units. That was a form this division. What happened was they decided they needed a big US army division in the northern per at. I'm where I was and the year before I got there. They put together this division called it the America division and a lot of the the commanders and officers were ones that the units that they were previously end wanted to get rid of. So they sent them up to our divisions. I we where I was if you remember the me line massacre was about four or five miles from where I where I serve it happened a year before I got there. But the same command structure was in place when I got. So we weren't you know, I have great respect for the military. Believe me, and I wasn't an anti-war person. At all. I think now now I am I can't believe we've been Afghanistan longer than we run Vietnam, we seek don't seem to learn lessons, but I won't get into political sketching but back then, you know, I felt was obligation to go. I was drafted. I didn't go to Canada. I I sometimes time snake was more courageous would have been more courageous to go up there with with what you had to, you know, suffer in terms of family loss, and that sort of thing, but you know, I went and these things that once you get there, you go, you know, sometimes with your eyes wide open. But you don't you don't you can't expect what you're what happens to so different from what you think. So I try to convey some of that in in the novel. It is time to take our second break of the podcast. But when we come back, we'll be talking more about how the writing process for this book was for John and some of his other works in how writing those may or may not have differed from writing this novel. So stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC book view podcast, and I will be right back. Tired of searching, the vast jungle of podcasts. Now, listen close. And here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching, the Golden State media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast, covered from news sports, music fashion, hooking entertainment, fantasy football and so much more. So stop lurking around and go straight out to the Golden State media concepts podcast network, guaranteed to fill the podcast, whatever it may be. Visit us at WWW dot g m c podcast dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and download on I tunes soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the GMC book view podcast and the conclusion to my interview with John H Brown, author of war. So how how was writing the novel for you? Did you feel like it was somewhat cathartic after your experiences in Vietnam? Or was it? You know, I never thought I'd never thought of writing it as a means of catharsis. But after I got through with it. I sent one of my part of men's scripture friend of mine who was an infantry for reserves Lieutenant and he was really in the bad stuff. All the time. I sent for his reactions to tell me if I if I was on target about certain things, and he wrote me this really long Email response that really didn't have much to do with any kind of criticism of the novel. You said he he he thought it was always a good writer. He enjoyed the story. Many went on to talk about how he thought that. I was trying to expiate in my the my experience get bit was catharsis that that this was a means of me dealing with my negative experiences over there. And I got to thinking about that. You know, I never really thought of it that way 'cause I didn't have the terrible experiences. A lot of my friends had. I mean, it was it was dangerous. And you know, I I there are certain things that I'll have dreams, you know, twice a year about that bother me. But I I got thinking about and I said, you know, what that that? That was such a life changing experience that maybe he maybe he's there's an element of truth in that maybe part of that. But I didn't go intentionally to write this book to to you know, just let it all out because it wasn't that wasn't the way. I started writing but reflecting back on it now. And I go back, and I'll read passages. I'll say, you know, what that probably that that part of the story was probably me, and and writing that may have been you know, helpful I dunno. Yeah. Sure. You mentioned that you have a journalism major. So. So talk about writing fiction as opposed to writing, you know, the the writing that you've done throughout your career. Did you just talk about it a little bit? Well, you know, I I've no a wine and food writer in West Virginia since nineteen eighty one. Yeah. You know, I wrote a weekly wine column in the local newspaper for about ten years. And then I I right now about twice a month in the Sunday newspaper, and I write a monthly call him for a statewide business. The publication in any event. I always thought that right? I always loved right? I mean, right hard, but I was trained as a journalist and you're right. You know, you're you're more concise, and that sort of thing so writing the models a lot different from that. I think the reason my book is only. About two hundred forty pages is that journalism kind of thing. I mean, I probably I don't expound extensively on the, you know seen. So that's one thing. The other thing was that. I I wrote the wine columns in the in the food columns as much I was told my wife on kind of kidded about it. I said, you know, this is training to write the great American novel. I want my field skills up. And and of course in my business. I have a small public relations business which son runs. Now, we writing was an everyday thing. Whether it was a press release, whether it was, you know, ready to speech for someone so writing I think all of that really helped me to keep my skills up. But nothing nothing's quite like writing a book. I mean, I kind of tried to outline it. What happened was when I when I retired. My wife said we you know, Honey, you can't start drinking. What on clocking warning? I said why not have a lot of wind your drink? But I'm home one maker to I've been making when you wind get grapes from California, grapes. From Italy this year, we've got a barrel full of Amador county. Zim Bill right now. Okay. My son's basement. So I've been all over the wine world. I mean have been certainly California's number of times been Italy six or seven France Portugal. So we've traveled a lot and all of us around food and wine, 'cause we would we we just wineries, we this is the best restaurants. We could. And so that you know, doing that was very and I feel good. I mean, I've got a a right down to the Charleston gazette mail, and it's a blog and a column called binds middle so kidding. But one out there Zentrum, did you could go to the Charleston gazette mail and West Virginia and just look for vines and bills, and that's. You can columns archive back. I don't know ten or twelve years, but. Right about food again as much as I do one. I never ride a Bali wine recommended why without recommending what I think would we you should pair with it with food lies. I think one alone is is kind of only half as good as it could be when you have it with food. But so any, but those those experiences that I've had and I continue have writing. I think I think I'm I'm more patient than probably people who have never written before who try to write all because it's hard work. I it really is in the story changes. Thank goodness for my wife because she was my daily editor and no-holds-barred kind of person. And it was good for me to have to do that. And then I actually hired a professional editor very end look at at my manuscript. So, you know, I think I. I just wanted to be as it's close to perfect as possible in terms of. Not so much the story because people can like or not like story. But the way it was presented the manuscript itself. In terms of you know, the the words and the phrases and the spelling and punctuation and all that kind of thing. And then other your unique experiences, you know of writing would you have advice for aspiring authors. You know, what it's hard for me to give advice to people. But I the only thing I can say is people always talk about. Well, what do you do? You have writer's block. And we all get it. I'm I'm writing the non will. Now, I've got to kinda gone through Dr spill, but one what works for me is regardless of whether I think I know where I'm going I need to start writing. So eventually is I'm sitting there, and I'm beginning to write forcing myself. The right to add to the story. It's kinda comes to me. And sometimes it comes right away and other times it just takes a while. I find I just forced myself to write for a couple of hours anyway, then put it down and come look look at it. The next day. I don't like it. But I been I can work on that. I can edit part. It's it's putting together, you know, a ton of little pieces of righty and structuring it that's a hard part too. You know, there has to be a reason to right? I mean, you can't just write vignettes unless you just want to write a short story. So awesome. It really what's you're right in terms of novel. I guess any even non fiction, you have to have a point you have that you have to keep people interested in, you know, once you get all this riding in some sort of form that you may what I ended up doing was movie chapters around and. Making sure that there were transitions. So I think the the the the major vice I would give somebody is if you wanna right and you're concerned about well. We're gonna why do pick a topic first and then start writing, and it seems for me it comes eventually. I don't know. You know, I must be a sub-conscious kind of a an effect that that's a that's a play. But that's how it works for me. Pay. Thank you for that. And you mentioned that you're working on another novel. Can I there anything you can tell me about that novel? Well, you know, I if I tell you that it's the sequel, then you'll you'll you'll know that Augie survives. Maybe. But it is it is it is is in the same. If some of the same characters, and it is about kind of about one Augie comes back. And if he comes back. Moral at any rate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You know, I started probably a couple of months ago, and I've got several chapters on I think I know where I'm going. But again if down and and see where it takes me, whether you know, spirits move me, right? And if your characters are like any of the other characters that I talked about they made change your direction question. Absolutely, no question. I'm gonna love interest in this one that just wrote about all of a sudden, she's I mean, I'm kinda fallen in love with her. She's she's moved. She's moving the story. You know, different direction. So then you vent. It's you know, sometimes it's fun other times you use like this is kinda drudgery. So then you have to leave it for a while. May open up a bottle of the rollover governance over yon- or something and on the deck and the stars look at the sky, right? I'm back. So when you you said that you are an avid reader, do you have other favorite authors? John RAs decides. Yeah engine. I'm kind of. You know what I don't read the nonfiction? I really read on regular base. I don't I don't like to read self help books, and that sort of thing I like biographies and only. But but really I reach fiction, and I read kind of, you know, John Sanford's, you know, like the prey books. I'm reading a book now by CJ box writes about this guy Joe pick who is a he's a game warden in in Wyoming. God. I I read everything that that James Lee Burke is written, you know, James, Lee, Burke, right? Dave Robichaud books. So I I mean. Every I've read most of Vietnam on all of the been published it or that you've heard of. So I always have at least two going and I love science fiction. But I read a read science fiction, so. I've always got least two books that I'm reading and. I, you know, it's just always been a great fun for me. Great getaway. Yeah. Absolutely. So do you have a a excuse me? Do you have a website? And where computer find you on social media my website. It's real simple because you know, w w dot all these war dot com and all these wars one word G I E S W A R dot com. And on that, you'll you'll find reviews, and that sort of thing, you know. Fortunately, my book, I just checked Amazon this today, it isn't super widely read, but they're an Amazon they're twenty five reviews. All of them are five stars. And on good on good reads, their multiple reviews, and there I think average of like four point three out of five. So it's been well received. It was a book bub re enough, you know, about book club that. You know, book bub chose it last wall or Canada, the UK in the Australia New Zealand, and I've gotten a bunch of comments from readers there who've liked it. So I mean, my I, and I'm very grateful for us to have you. Hopefully, somebody will hear this podcast and go out, and and by the book, and I you know, I it's gratifying to know that people like it and also I appreciate negative criticism. I have fortunately, I haven't had a whole lot of that yet. But you know, it's it's it's going to be out there. But yeah, it's it's it's good. It's egos stimulating sometimes to have people say why really like that booking? Tell me about what you know. What what was he doing there? One on the the the hooch exploded what you know, they they bring in specific kind of. Scenes and wanna talk about them. And that's that's kinda nice. Absolutely. Yeah. So we've talked about a number of topics today. Is there anything that? We haven't talked about that you'd like for people to know about the books. No. I mean, it's available just about anywhere online. And if you want your local bookstore can order it or for you. So I mean, I would I would go to the website read some of the excerpts check the reviews out if you wanna leave read a little bit about why. And how I wrote the model like some of the things we talk about today. It's on there. So yeah, I mean, that's I can't think of anything else. I mean, I've got a a Twitter handle it's called vines vittles. And there's another one that is just John H Brown of Augie war. And of course, base the page for all these war. And and one for me where I write about, you know, when something happens about with Augie or, but yes, those are kind of the that warms where you can. Find me on social media. Okay. Well, thank you so much. Really? Appreciate you taking the time to talk through about the book. Well, I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity. Yeah. I really enjoyed the book. So thank you so much. And once again, I want to say thank you to John for joining me for the interview as always I really enjoyed talking to an author about his novel in the process of writing that novel what went into it. I was very happy to read a book about an era of history that I haven't read much on and need to do more studying on because as a history major I did study at some. But you know, like, I've mentioned before I've done a lot of novels from the World War Two era, but not as much from this era. So or if it is from this when I do read it from this era tends to be more on the stateside hippy peace loving, you know, that kind of angle. And less on the war itself. So this made me realize that I need to do some more research and more reading so Jon thank you for that. Thank you for the book. Thank you. It's always to you, my listeners, I wouldn't be here without you. So I so appreciate you. And as part of that appreciation, I have books to give away. So if you're interested in reading all these war by John H Brown, I do have signed copies to give away. It's very easy. All you have to do is go to our GMC book review social media pages. Facebook Twitter or Instagram, those links are in the show notes of this show or they're on our website either way. And you know, if you follow us than you already know where they are. Please follow us on social media. I would love that. I would love to hear from you. So just go to the GMC book review social media pages. Facebook, Twitter or Instagram and comment on this episode? It's a one fifty one interview with John H Brown. Each of those social media will media sites will have a post just comment on the post, and you will automatically be. Entered to win a copy of all these war. Please do also lake the the post share the post follower pages, it's cetera. But in order to win a copy do need to comment on one of those posts. So thank you again to John. Thank you to you, my readers as usual. 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"Hey there outside in listeners. There is a single stray f-bomb in the story that we have left unbleached if you'd like trying to skip it. It comes at about eighteen and a half minutes when we're talking about the conclusion of a global climate negotiation. So good luck. As I said, I've had the privilege of knowing working with John and his son Michael over the last six years, I've learned much from that association. I'm confident that you'll feel the same after today. It's my distinct honor to introduce governor John Henry sununu. This is Joe Delia a meteorologist who doesn't believe human activity is driving global warming. Introducing John H sununu in two thousand thirteen sununu served as governor of New Hampshire for six years from nineteen Eighty-three to nine hundred eighty nine in political circles, he's famous for being a rhetorical knife fighter and attack dog and an expert Crafter of incendiary soundbites, and that's any row peak environment reporter in New Hampshire. Public radio's newsroom. Thank you very much. Joe? We've gathered to bring some reality and some sound science to the ongoing debate on climate change and global warming. John H sununu is famously whip smart. He reportedly scored near the top on a test that billed itself as a mega IQ test intended to distinguish who are the smartest among geniuses following his governorship. He was White House chief of staff, and is something of an elder statesman to the GOP, and I'm pleased to be amongst the this very distinguished gathering of experts who have come to make sure that the world knows that the debate on the science is not over as chief of staff John H took a special interest in the subject of global warming. But the anti-growth and antidevelopment crowd are a very hardy bunch. They won't give up John H gave the speech at a conference Hartland institute a think tank that has focused on trying to rebut mainstream climate. Science in this speech to new lays out his theory of the origins of global warming. My message today is to make sure we recognize that no matter how effectively we deal with exposing the errors and games behind that agenda. We need to know that the battle will never end because the issue is not really global warming. This. Global warming crisis is just the latest surrogate for an overarching agenda of anti-growth and antidevelopment that grew and gathered support in the years after World War Two global warming. John H argues is a Trojan horse carrying within its belly the real objective massive reformed capitalist system, socialism and the scaling back of economic growth. One of the first issues to be celebrated as a crisis by these reformers was overpopulation. That fad peaked in the sixties and seventies the bible of that coat. The population bomb argued that the battle to feed all of humanity is over and acclaimed. We had lost the battle predicting that in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties. Hundreds of millions of people would starve to death. That clearly phony crisis was followed by warnings about global climate change. Argues that the primary tool of these plotters is computer models in nineteen seventy two a group called the club of Rome used a computer model to argue the world would soon face resource, scarcity food shortages and economic collapse by the end of the nineteen ninety s all of which failed to materialize, John H sununu argues that similarly climate researchers have cooked the books use the models to achieve a predetermined outcome, but cast of characters involved in this has expanded a bit. But at the core there is an unbroken lineage back to those unbelievably wrong unscientific prognosticators. The speech were hearing is from twenty thirteen and maybe you've heard arguments like this, perhaps even recently be expensive. This would be absolutely tremendous. I mean, there's no way to even comprehend how much implementing this would cost. Well, first of all H L Mankin who was a democrat said it correctly, the urge to save you Mandy is almost always a false face for the urge to rule. This is really about socialism. This is nothing more than a socialist Trojan horse. That's why they've inserted all sorts of programs into the green new deal that have nothing to do with green energy. But John H sununu has been making this argument since the nineteen eighty s well before global warming became politicised at intractable back when there was twenty percent less carbon in the atmosphere. And when there was more time to transition to a lower emission society. What's interesting about sununu is that he developed. This whole skepticism and. All of these objections on his own and yet now they have become in various in various forms. The main talking points of of the right and climates in islets. But I think he came at them independently. So in some ways, he's kind of prime mover there. This is author Nathaniel rich in the nineteen eighties. There was a growing lamentable to address climate change momentum that ultimately fizzled out. This was the moment. We're history could have swerved in a very different direction. Rich, I wrote a detailed account of this period in article cold losing earth. But an expanded book version is due out next month. It's a tale. That prominently features John H sununu now if you look at it if you just came to them cold you'd say, oh, he's one of the rest of them. But now, I think actually strangely this sort of these these crank theory. Series have become the. Central tenants of republicanism. Today on outside in a family. That's been on the front lines of climate change politics since the very beginning. I'm same Evans Brown. The sununu are perhaps the most powerful family in the history of New Hampshire politics. They've been governors Senator congressman and even a White House chief of staff today, we're going to track this one political dynasty and with it. Mainstream Republican thought on climate change where it's been where it is now. And maybe where it's going. Clean air and clean water. The wise use of our land to protection of wildlife and natural beauty. These are part of the birthright of every American thing to keep in mind. A huge number of our foundational environmental laws. The creation of the EPA the clean water and clean air acts the toxic substances control act and many more were passed in the nineteen seventies. Under Richard Nixon to guarantee that birthright, we must act and act decisively. It is literally now or never at this point environmental issues had strong bipartisan support and Republicans wanted to be sure they didn't see this ground to the Democrats are I believe in a sound strong environmental policy that protects the health of our people and a wise stewardship of our nation's natural resources. That's enough about me. But less than a decade later under Ronald Reagan, the backlash to the environmental movement through he put administrators in charge of the and department of interior who worked to rollback Nixon era policies and to open up previously protected land, his EPA administrator and Gorsuch who also happens to be supreme court Justice. Neal Gorsuch mother cut the EPA budget by more than twenty percent. And when lawmakers accused her of mismanaging Superfund dollars, she wound up being held in contempt of congress Reagan's interior secretary, James watt increased the acreage of land the federal government leased for coal mining by around five times, the secretary of interior. Jim want is the prime target for those who claim that this administration is out to level the forest and cover the country with black tops someone in the press. The other day said of Jim discovered a cure for cancer. There are those who would attack him for being pro-life. These figures were not popular environmental groups fund raised and rallied against them. And they were pushed out and so in nineteen Eighty-eight when George H W Bush ran for president he positioned himself to regain the trust of the environmental community. We all know that human activities are changing the atmosphere in unexpected. And in unprecedented ways much remains to be done by this time. Global warming was already a high profile public issue. The first official government summary of climate science was finished in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine two more landed within a week of each other in one thousand nine hundred three and recovered by newspapers and TV news, James Hansen. A nasa. Scientists who wrote one of the first computer models of the greenhouse effect. I testified before congress on the issue back in nineteen eighty two articles about his research had already been front page news and the New York Times, so it should come. As no surprise that. This was an issue that Bush was talking about is. Residential candidate. What's particularly noteworthy to me that I remember was the one liner on climate change where Bush stated that those who are worried about the greenhouse effect are ignoring the White House affect he was making a very clear commitment on the issue. This is Rafe Pomerance and environmental activists who's worked for friends of the earth the world Resources Institute, the State Department and a hodgepodge of other campaigns and organizations in the early eighties. He spent years putting global warming on the national stage by personally arranging meetings between lawmakers and prominent government climate scientists by the time the nineties rolled around Rafe had already seen more than one climate change hype cycle, wax, and wane with no real action. So you're right that there were Republicans who were taking the issue seriously. Now, these were liberal Republicans, but I would say in the hall, the Republican party was much more moderate and open at that stage. So that's the political vibe of the nineteen eighty s. Some Republicans are prioritizing business over conservation. But you still had a Republican running for the Oval Office explicitly claiming he would be quote environmental president, unquote. It's here that we turn our attention to John H sununu at first he was an engineering professor at tufts, but he decided he wanted to put a smarts to work serving his community. He won a seat to the local planning board and later in New Hampshire's four hundred member house of representatives. He lost four elections twice for the state Senate and once for the governor's council and finally the Republican primary to be New Hampshire's U S Senator. But in one thousand nine hundred two he won the governor's office and like other Republicans of this era. He dabbled in environmental protection. In fact, Rafe Pomerance helped with an environmental campaign that caught John H is attention. I was involved with me leaders in New Hampshire and a major campaign around acid rain at the time acid rain looked feels and smells like any other rain, but the water in acid rain carries poisons, like sulfuric acid. An enormous now over one hundred towns at the annual town meeting approved resolutions calling for action on acid rain that campaign organized a conference in Manchester, New Hampshire and all of the democratic candidates vying to be the nominee to challenge Reagan attended. But curiously or importantly, John sununu, the governor came to the conference, and my recollection is is that sununu ultimately was a supporter of of acting on acid rain as governor John H sununu signed the nation's first acid rain legislation requiring a twenty five percent reduction on sulfur dioxide emissions in the state, so an environmental issues, it seemed that John H and President Bush would be on the same page in the nineteen eighty eight presidential primary sununu threw his weight behind Bush's candidacy, the bombastic governors rhetorical force and connections helped Bush win I in New Hampshire and then his party's nomination. We had a great candidate a candidate who got his message out candidate who. Engaged certainly with his nearest rival made it very clear what the difference was. And what I think of the most discriminating voters in the country did a little comparison shopping, but between the two of them and decided George Bush was head and shoulders above them in. Thanks after he won the White House. Bush appointed sununu his chief of staff, it was in that powerful role that John H personally shepherded a Bill through congress that said a gradually declining cap on pollution that causes acid rain and loud polluters to trade the right to emit. It was the model for the type of market based solutions to climate change that we're still debating today. All of this adds up to a situation in which it would seem that when it comes to global warming, George H W Bush who had promised to deal with the issue on the campaign trail, and John H sununu who had proven himself to be a pragmatic dealmaker on acid rain. We'd be simpatico ready to get to work crafting some kind of conservative solution. And in fact, when Bush came to office the table was set for them to do something big less than a year after Bush's inauguration world leaders planned meeting, the first ever international talks on a binding treaty to limit greenhouse gas emissions. The talks would be held in Nordvik in the Netherlands. This would be the ideal place for Bush to hold true to his promises of being an environmental president to lead the world in addressing climate change. But immediately it became clear that John H did not seek global warming is being like acid rain, and this teed up in internal battle within the Bush administration. This became an issue inside the Bush White House. And agencies some people really very enthusiastic about moving forward. Others like governor sununu chief-of-staff with not. What happened was during the crucial week when they were going to make a decision Hanson again shows up James Hansen. Is that NASA scientist the one who's models of the greenhouse effect? I got Congress's attention back in the early eighties. He had continued coming before lawmakers, including now famous bombshell testimony in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight when he declared that global warming was already being observed. Now, he was testifying again. But this time John H sununu intervened and Hansen's testimony was altered by the Bush administration and later as I have learned sununu claims he altered the testimony and diminished its conclusions. The new text said that climate change might be attributable to quote, natural processes, unquote, which Hanson did not believe this was leaked to the press and was splashed all over the front page of the New York Times. The Bush Whitehouse wound up with egg all over their faces. The Hanson alteration had a big political impact on the deliberations inside the Bush White House Rafe says that when you look back at newspapers of the time, you see editorial writers throwing Bush's own words. Back at him, the self-proclaimed environmental president had promises administration with tackle climate change. Instead they'd been caught doing just the opposite secretly trying to downplay the problem it put the White House on the defensive and for a moment in the roiling internal debate within the administration. It seemed like John H sununu had lost just before the historic first ever climate negotiations in the Netherlands began he wrote a telegram to the State Department's negotiators reversing his previous position and telling them to work toward a quote full international consensus here, again is Nathaniel rich, the author of losing earth through the strangest detail of all is that there's a series of talks on the eve of the trip in November at a Tonio. Allendc in front of international investors in the American stock exchange sununu. Although he's not there to speak about climate change necessarily. He's he's just there in his capacity as sort of powerful person within the Bush administration talk about the economy spends most of his talk on on Nordvik and on this idea of a treaty. And in fact, comes out fairly forcefully. It's a very strange thing to read in favor of a global agreement. And he's challenged at one point by an investor in the audience, he says, well, isn't this going to have some major short-term economic costs? And he says, yeah will be some up front costs. But that's nothing compared to the the back. The back end costs. If we don't do anything. And yet despite all of this despite having lost face by altering Hansen's testimony and having been pressured into supporting global greenhouse gas treaty somewhere between that speech to investors and the final negotiation Nordvik sununu flipped again, it meant Americans began the talks with a hard line stance. We won't sign anything that's binding in terms of emissions reductions, and you know, we won't we won't. We won't take part in anything that doesn't consider the economic implications in the short term, basically. And that's the end of the dream of a of a global binding treaty, essentially, that's the that's the closest we've ever come. This set the template for old climate talks that followed every subsequent attempt that of binding greenhouse gas reduction treaty has failed even the much lauded Paris agreement which the US also backed out of was completely non-binding is where we get this. Great, quote, which I think's the Swedish Environment Minister walking out of the room and saying your government is fucking this up. Yeah. Right. And they did. If that binding treaty had been signed in nineteen ninety and if the global community had lived up to it. There could have been fifteen percent less carbon in the atmosphere when the effort to scale back emissions began. There would have been a thirty year headstart on developing solutions and driving down their cost in short. The problem would have been a lot easier to solve sununu today would say, well, we were just being the only honest broker that all these other governments were full of it and had no intention of living up to any kind of treaty binding or not. This was not the end of John H sununu is legacy with regards to global warming. He resigned from the White House in one thousand nine hundred one after he was found to be using military planes for personal trips and taking a White House limousine to a stamp auction. But just a few months later, he got a job as one of the regular hosts of the TV show crossfire from Washington crossfire on the left might Kinsley on the right? John sununu for Jerry Taylor. It was an ideal situation. I left college in nineteen eighty six I didn't graduate. I wanted to get into politics. Jerry was a prominent climate change skeptic at the time that he was a regular guest on crossfire. He used to work for the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank that also traffic's minority viewpoints on climate science was one of the nation's leading gunslingers promoting climate skepticism Jerry has since left the church of climate skepticism. And is now the president of the disc. Cannon center, which works to promote conservative solutions to global warming. But back when he was on the other end of spectrum he was a frequent guest on crossfire. This was a political TV show that the New York Times described as quote, a week nightly half hour of aggressively expressed uncomplicated opinions delivered a spirit of absolute certitude in where I am daily sex. If you talk what what phrase? News talk about that. You can talk about adults. They generally have a script where you have a person on the right who argues very strongly for, you know, non action, and then you'd have a person from the environmental community on the left arguing very strongly four action. And producers were there to book, the the the most telegenic and glib and entertaining people they can take those two slots and back in those days. I was nothing if not glib and entertaining. Just like their guests the crossfire hosts, including John H sununu were not expected to be neutral. And this was the nineties it was the period during which oil companies were beginning to launch a media campaign designed at undermining the scientific underpinnings of global warming the media pounced on these new talking points. Suddenly the issue had two sides, and John H sununu was a perfect fit for the role of climate change skeptic. I mean, he had just left the White House chief of staff, so we still important political player in Washington. And so it's kind of a thrilled to get a chance to hobnob with somebody like that especially since John sununu was steeped in climate knowledge and climate skepticism, and he was no casual actor through the nineties think tanks began sprout up with their own self proclaimed experts like Jerry Taylor who you could book for your talk show, whereas previously global warming journalism had. Met writing about dry government reports and National Research Council summaries. Now, it could be covered as talking heads shouting at each other. It was the beginning of a time in which the media shifted from covering climate change as a scientific certainty to something that was up for debate. And as host of crossfire, John H was given a prominent voice in that debate. And so in these conversations oftentimes, I'd be an debate. And in the course of the back and forth. Sununu jump in and throw his own shots that were as capable as those that I was putting on the table. So he was not disengage, and he was not lightly informed. We couldn't find any old footage of sununu talking about global warming on crossfire, but other records show his main arguments in this period were simple. The climate system is complex climate models are too simplistic. And the jury is still out on global warming. These are all talking points that at the time Jerry Taylor was also using but unlike John age as Jerry dug deeper into climate science, he became disillusioned with the arguments of the. Skeptics when I was on these programmes and talking with governors know, what he was putting on the table was no more enlightened than the kind of crackpot ary that I was marketing on knowingly at the time. John H sununu would hold onto his platform on crossfire for six years all the way up through nineteen ninety eight misrepresented in California you. You. Whatsoever with and then he stepped out of the limelight. He began to take an interest in business investing in all kinds of companies. He was on the board of a company drilling for oil in south east Africa and even bought a ten percent stake in an honest to goodness gold mine in other budgen as John H eased into the private sector. Republicans began flirting with a new approach to the climate issue. Just as a new sununu with his own views was rising into political prominence. I thought it was more important to get something done to get a good bipartisan Bill that raise those fuel efficiency standards after a quick break. The next generation takes the reins. There are a lot of finis. Josh. News. Okay. There are a lot of soon news, John H sununu and his it is impossible to. Okay. There are a lot of sununu John H sununu and his wife Nancy had eight children most aren't public figures, or at least they keep a lower profile daughter. Kathy runs a museum, son. Pete works for a media company in Louisville and son James works in the family business, which it's worth noting spans a lot of areas that are kind of adjacent to energy and climate oil mining water infrastructure utilities, there's a lot going on. But some of the news have gone on to use the family name and political connections to their advantage in nineteen Ninety-six during the Clinton administration, John e sununu, that's the son not the father was elected to his first term in the US house of representatives for New Hampshire. If John H sununu was a prime mover in the shift of the Republican party's stance on global warming and early voice for the abandonment of mainstream climate science and favor of the fringes that questioned the very foundation of atmosphere physics. How would his son approach climb? Senator sununu with the energy Bill as you mentioned the energy Bill passed after very close fighting congress minder standing was universally opposed this Bill. No, not at all what I opposed was the tax package. John e served in the US house of representatives for three terms starting in nineteen ninety seven and was the youngest member of congress that whole time he was seen as a rising star a party darling who into two was recruited to a Republican incumbent from the Senate that had been giving the party heartburn. He won. So this is a case where you know, if you actually stand up for doing something that's bipartisan, then some partisan in this case from the far left is gonna come at you and say, oh you while he was in office. His voting record was consistently conservative the times that he broke with the rest of his party were usually because he viewed their proposals as not adhering to Republican principles. He joined a democratic filibuster of the Patriot Act because he believed it infringed on personal liberty. We had to filibuster the Bill we had to stop it in its track. Ax in order to get those changes made, but they were worth fighting for and fight for them again, and he helped block and energy Bill calling. It a grab bag for special interests that was too expensive. But toward the end of his time as Senator thanks in part to the unpopularity of the war in Iraq. Republicans had lost majorities in both the house and Senate and good morning to you. It is a new day in America. The people have spoken a seismic shift in the house of and this environment action on climate change, experienced brief moment of bipartisan support. Hi. I'm Nancy Pelosi. Lifelong democrat and speaker of the house Gingrich lifelong Republican, and I used to be speaker. We don't always the I I do know. But we do agree. Our country must take action to address climate change. We need cleaner forms of energy. And we need them. For years Republican Senator John McCain and democrat Joe Lieberman had been pushing different versions of something called the climate stewardship past these are facts that cannot be refuted by any scientist or any union or any special interest weighing in more heavily on this issue than any issue since we got into campaign finance reform, Mr President, that's the Arctic sea that's the Arctic sea and even look at the red line the boundary of it in nineteen seventy nine look at it. Now, you can believe me or your lying eyes. This was a cap and trade Bill a market based carbon reduction scheme that use the same model that John H sununu that's the father had helped to get through congress in order to deal with acid rain and Senator news case he actually had an interest in climate bills. This is grant Bosse I worked on energy and climate issues for Senator Johnny sununu from two thousand three to two thousand eight toward the end of Giannis time in office. Remember, that's the sun Republicans on their heels, and we're looking at an unfavorable election map in two thousand eight and he had a tough opponent, the state's first ever female governor. So despite being a rising conservative star despite the name recognition, his family enjoys Giannis. Reelection was a real question. So with Democrats holding the gavels there was a lot more momentum to pass some kind of carbon Bill, and when it looked like Khan. Grice was gonna pass something then you wanna jump in? You wanna make that Bill as productive as you can't which is how it came to be that John e sununu son of the man who would go onto co climate science. Unbelievably wrong prominently signed onto a carbon cap and trade Bill a collaboration with Delaware Democrat, Tom Carper, the Carper in new plant there were all sorts of bills that varied in scope in varied in their approach. Some were more top down. Bernie Sanders had a Bill that was pretty much the federal government taking over the energy sector. Cain Lieberman was cap and trade Bill Carper sununu was actually multi pollutant. So it had as much to their quality sulfur nitrogen mercury. So because Senator sununu cared about it. I cared about it. So what did sununu Bill look like it was a so called cap and trade Bill cap as in it's set a cap on economy-wide carbon emissions and try. Raid as in it allowed companies to buy and sell allowances to emit carbon up to that cap. So you've got a financial incentive to free up as much of that those emissions as possible. So you can sell the right to admit to somebody else. This is the same scheme as John H sununu the father designed to deal with acid rain. It's a market driven solution. And grant says John e sununu wanted to carry that idea forward on climate change in congress. But more to the point when you listen to John e sununu at the time, he supported a wide range of initiatives to deal with climate change. Here. He is on New Hampshire public radio in two thousand eight. We got the Bill done. It's been signed into law, and we can in should come back and look at that tax package because there are a lot of pieces in it. That are very good that I support tax credits for for for wind renewable energy for solar for biomass. All of those are provision. I've supported in the past and will. Continue to support. So just to make it. Crystal clear, Senator sununu the energy Bill let some this up. John sununu, the father arguably was the most important single political actor opposing binding global treaty to limit climate change. But nearly twenty years later, John e sununu the sun facing a tough reelection and a political landscape in which the most prominent Republican was championing a domestic carbon reduction Bill is putting forward his own climate Bill and talking up tax credits for renewable energy. And so you saw a number of Republicans offering these ideas, mainstream Republicans, even consider Republicans. This is Jerry Taylor. Again, climate action is coming best that we do it in a rational market based fashion than suffice them scattershot regulatory jihad. So so Senator sununu was not an outlier in the GOP by any means, even though there were conservatives on the GOP oppose these ideas back at that time, you can take this position without risking your political career with the Republican base. But the bipartisan efforts to pass an economy wide cap and trade Bill fizzled when McCain launched a bid for president and abandoned the idea. For a lot of critics of the GOP this all prompts. A question were those mainstream Republicans like John e sununu sincere and more broadly are they ever sincere when it comes to action on climate change. Or is this all posturing, what climate activists call predatory delay? You know, I think with regard to climate. There was a certain amount of avoidance another former staffer for John ISA new Sheridan Brown. There were things that he did that he could tout. Cap and trade Bill towards the end when he was up for a tough reelection. But there didn't seem to be a lot of interest. Unlike grant Bossie who while he says, he's very discouraged by the state of today's politics has stuck with the Republican party Sheridan has become disillusioned with the right and become a loud critic of this new family. He's now on the team that believes John e was never serious about acting on climate. If you were truly believing that climate change existed and was caused by by man manmade emissions of carbon. You wouldn't be at the same time pushing for more drilling in places like the Alaska national wildlife refuge. You know? That's. The two are just not. Not in agreement grant Bosse doesn't buy this. You had a bunch of people Republicans and Democrats that agreed that. Yeah. The the earth is warming human activity almost certainly has something to do with that. And it would probably be a good idea. If we could do something about it and lower our carbon emissions in a way that didn't cripple the economy. Always a great emphasis on on. The fact that you were dealing with an engineer, but he wasn't climatologist. He was a chemical engineer yet. Great weight was placed on. Here's a bright guy. Here's an engineer who can think this through is really funny that you say that because. That feels like a sununu family TRAN. Yeah. I'm an environmental engineer. I studied in worked in the environmental engineering field for ten years. So this is something that I know a lot about combined that with running ski resort where we're completely whether bending. Johnnie lost his campaign for reelection to the Senate in two thousand eight washed out of office and the democratic wave triggered by Barack Obama's election. But New Hampshire would go along without a sin new in the halls of power the earth has been sold it warming since the mid eighteen hundreds this. There's no doubt about that. Is it manmade or not one thing? I do know. Nobody knows for sure. Back in New Hampshire. Another sununu was making moves in the business world. Chris new the second youngest of the eight children was put in charge of a very big family project. The snooze worked with a group of investors to purchase Waterville valley. A scary in the heart of New Hampshire's White Mountains a move, which if you're concerned about climate change might seem like a risky one. New Hampshire's winters are already getting warmer and research says that's bad news for the ski industry, but so far Waterville valley has soldiered on after the sale Chris was made CEO of the resort, but the whole family got into lending their half to promote it. Hey, there's this pizza new with the Waterville valley resort. It's been very gratifying for the wholesome of family. Over. But even as he was managing the ski area which included overseeing a major expansion of the trail network. Adding new lifts Chris new was dipping his toes into politics in two thousand ten he won a seat on the executive council, which is an office very specific to New Hampshire. It's a panel of five that share executive branch power with the governor. What was interesting is that Chris new was always opposed to the solar projects? This is another Chris now congressman Chris Pappas he served with Chris new on the executive council at a time when the five-member body was split three two with Republicans in the majority. You know, we would have a discussion and sometimes get to an agreement on some of the other alternative sources of energy. But whenever it was a solar project. He was leading the charge against it. A main job of the executive council is to approve state contracts public money. That's already been set aside and just needs to be actually spent one kind of contract that often comes before the. Anel is for renewable energy projects hoping to receive grants from the states of renewable energy fund when efforts to pass federal climate legislation faltered and fell apart in Obama's first term climate advocates shifted their attention to state level policies and trying to get local renewable energy projects off the ground. Still today. That's where most of the policies aimed at reducing greenhouse gas. Emissions are advancing back. Then I was New Hampshire public radio's environment reporter, and when Chris news on the executive council getting one Republican counselor to flip and vote for them became the only way that a solar project could move forward. You're remembering that very correctly. And oftentimes that's how we tip the balance was just local folks weighing in in support of particular project getting to their counselor or other members of the council and just saying what's the hold up here. You know, we're waiting on these dollars to do something pretty important for our community in his six years on the executive council. Chris Newt never voted to give a state. To a single commercial scale solar array, I take away is that he's skeptical of solar and the promise that it holds more than wind more than you know, any other type of renewable generation. That's been my experience. So from the beginning from his investments in the ski industry to his Taghizadeh toward the solar industry. Chris new hasn't seemed very concerned about global warming. But his rhetoric on the subject has shifted in two thousand sixteen after three terms on the executive council. Chris the new one the governor's office. This is how talked about climate change when he was running in a competitive Republican primary. Nobody knows absolutely one way or the other. Whether it's man-made or not we have to be smart and with myself in the governor's office. We have the opportunity to have a governor that understands these issues now here he is two years later when he was running for re election and had to worry less about turning out the Republican base. Let's be very clear humans have contributed to climate change that that is not a question, contrary to what my opponent may say, I'm the only candidate on this stage that has fought to lower electric rates and here he is live on New Hampshire public radio late last year to quickies on this. So do you now agree with the consensus? Manmade emissions are indeed responsible for the temperature rises. Manmade emissions have a part to play in climate change. Yes. Fact done. Let's move on. Right. What are we go to your original question? What are we going to do about right here? What are we going to do about? And that's where my focus is in terms of what is an appropriate. Not just roll. But position to be in terms of making sure that we're being responsible, we're helping the environment. We're looking at the social impacts, and again, we're just in a tougher place. A lot of other states when it comes to the economic impact already so burdened with these incredibly high electric rates. So what's going on here? If John H sununu was a prime mover publican began to question climate science before that was a safe obvious political bet for publicans to make and of John e sununu was an office at a time where Republicans felt it was necessary to at least put forth some sort of proposal for how to mitigate climate change. What does Chris new represent you might be able to tell it's hard to pin him down. He's not the only Republican who has had to hedge on climate change these days. It's just not a winning issue with their base. Even as the pro business crowds. He's economic opportunity in finding solutions. No matter what Chris new believes personally about global warming. He's working within Republican party at war with itself. It's no longer his older brothers GOP which could get away with taking climate change seriously talking about policy solutions. It's the GOP of twenty nineteen. You can see a very clear dividing line in the party between. Prateep party in postie party. Again, Jerry Taylor of the Niskanen center pre-t party. You could be a Republican even staunch conservative like Senator sununu and argue that we have to do something about climate change. And you were not jeopardizing your career in a primary challenge or anything of the kind nor were you, you know, symbolically speaking putting on a trade over t-shirt by making that argument. Nobody's going to question your conservative bona fees may disagree with you about the issue. But after all atmospheric physics is not ideological and there's room for disagreement about this within the Republican party. But after two thousand ten that changed or excuse me after two thousand eight and that election taking a realistic position on climate became an absolute kiss of death. When asked about climate, Chris new doesn't have much to say he rarely acknowledges the effect that rising seas will have on parts of New Hampshire's small, but economically important coast or that warming winters will have on the just as important ski industry, which his family still has ties to when climate change comes up. He tends to pivot to energy and business. He says New Hampshire's electric rates, which are some of the highest in the country are too high and he's been in favor of bills that lower those rates and has veto bills that he says would raise them in one case vetoed pro-seoul or legislation that passed on a bipartisan vote in a Republican dominated legislature. Now that the Democrats have the majority this same Bill is getting even more support. But sununu is still threatening. Another veto his budget proposal for the next two years. Also, pull money from the state's renewable energy fund, the one that supports those solar projects he used to vote against in other words, even as his language shifts his policy priorities dome. But while Chris new in his role as governor has thus far been cagey on climate change. There is one Morrison new you should know about one who has been much more spoken. So it's pretty easy to sort of Google your name and find headlines that call you a climate denier. So, but it sounds like you're not questioning the idea that carbon dioxide warms the atmosphere. Let's let's talk about what that means a climate denier. Do I is the world warming up? Absolutely. I don't think there's any question in for most part, most of the pieces, I publish one of the first things I acknowledged the world has been warming since mid eighteen hundred this is Chris older brother, Michelson new he's not a climate scientist, and he's never been governor Senator, but he has made himself something of a public figure largely by writing editorials about climate science, by the way, we reached out multiple times via phone messages and emails to all of this new news who've taken a public stance in the climate change debate, John H John e Chris Michael was the only one who agreed to sit down and be interviewed. Remember how Chris has used rhetorical contortions to never quite say exactly what he thinks about climate change. That's what an ambitious elected Republican New Hampshire needs to do to satisfy both the conservative base and the general voting public. Well, the numbers have ticked up slightly in the last year only twenty five to thirty. Percent of conservative Republicans say they're worried about climate change. That's compared to more than fifty percent of Republicans, more broadly and nearly seventy percent of independence. That's a wide Gulf and a real conundrum for purple state Republicans, but Michael can speak his mind his views on global warming are well outside the scientific mainstream. He's sure that observed increases in carbon dioxide are driven by human activities versus natural processes. He isn't sure that CO two increases drive warming versus the other way around and even questions the fundamental principle of the greenhouse effect the degree to which CO two molecules effectively absorbed heat compared to the role of water vapor in the atmosphere. So I think you know, I'm not a climate scientists, obviously, I'm a norm. I yeah. But I do know that I could call you know, after again, very cursory googling any number of dozens of time scientists who would tell me that you're wrong about just about everything that you just said. And I'm curious how you respond to that the fact that it would be very easy to to produce climate scientists who would who would reject a lot of your surgeons. I think what you have to ask is is really what are they basing that rejection on are they basing it on a model form of our climate which most of those rejections will that's their foundation, which I would say that that's models are not science. Here. The connection back to his father's views is quite clear like John H sununu Michael says that the assumptions and simplifications made by climate models make their conclusions on reliable, this is despite the fact that historic climate models have to date done a pretty good job forecasting. Today's measure temperatures, but if John H sununu was personally digging into the assumptions made by climate models and picking them apart and John e and Chris choose their talking points on global warming based on the political calculations of their individual moment. Michelson news views are somewhat different. He hasn't had to create them whole cloth. When you ask him about his influences, he points to a few his name is Joe delay. Oh, he was actually one of the founders you mentioned Richard lindzen. Pobably Yogi toward I think voice Spencer a Judas curry eminent climate scientists. There are voices out there that I think in good voices that talk about the science these figures that Michael sites are a who's who of prominent climate change skeptics, they are scientists and some like Judith curry are actually cited by the United Nations body that evaluates climate science the IPC. They're still mainstream though, their studies are the outliers forecasting much less dire climate change than the rest of the scientific community when you read climate sceptic, blogs, these are some of the maybe two dozen names that come up over and over again in attempts to discredit the IPC their names that are very familiar to Jerry Taylor. The former gunslinger we've been hearing from throughout this story in two thousand sixteen Jerry was invited to New Hampshire to give a presentation at the university of New Hampshire while he was in town. He was. Asked to brief the president of a local right wing think tank on climate change over coffee and we arrive for coffee and to our surprise. There was Michelson. Anyway, we didn't expect to see Michael there. We didn't always going to be part of the meeting, but that's fine. He's an aboard guy. The president of the institute had asked Michael sununu to come along. In Jerry's words as a kind of climate council Yari. And so we had some coffee and started this conversation. It became clear that Michelson new had downloaded just about everything out of the right wing thing- tank world or that showed up on Fox News. The Wall Street Journal or Breitbart or Rush Limbaugh, and he was prime for bear. Just like his father was back in the day. I don't believe that Michelson new had any doubts that the the case for climate action was a as he would put it kind of a cooked up a bunch of nonsense that can't withstand even a casual examination and he was going to demonstrate that to me. So he was off to the races. And I finally stopped him. I said, Michael, I don't know if you know this, but I wrote all that crap twenty years ago. I mean, I I know what you're I know. I know this story, I know this evidence. I know these studies you're offering I know these arguments intimately I was paid to promote them twenty four seven. Let me tell you. What's wrong with them? Or at least why it was that I began to doubt them, but he would have none of it. Michael says he does consulting work for telecommunications. Clients and says he's worked on water development projects in the Caribbean and southeast Africa and helps manage Waterville valley the ski area his family owns and runs. He was briefly involved with an aborted plan to develop a coal fired fertilizer plant in the mid west as he says, he's not a climate scientist. But when many prominent New Hampshire Republicans have questions about climate science. It's Michelson new not Jerry Taylor who they turn to he presents on climate some regularly at the New Hampshire business and industry association's annual conference. Do you think that since you've taken on his mantle of talking about this that your views have gotten traction here in New Hampshire? No. I don't. And it's unfortunate. Because as I said, I think is there is a overwhelming public perception that sometimes I feel like syfy rolling boulder up the hill. So even even with things like getting invited to the BI to present to the BI, a, which is you know, it's a form of fairly powerful. Folks. I mean, it's not there's lawmakers in that room. You don't think you don't think your message just landed? I'm not sure I mean, it's it's it's always hard to tell. But I I mean to some extent, I guess, I'll know the message has landed when I see somebody here in New Hampshire get up and say, you know, I was on the other side of the climate debate. But these questions really that he raises actually has some village validity to change minds. I want them to ask the questions. But even though he's invited to address lawmakers and business leaders, even though he advocates for and against energy bills at the New Hampshire state house leveraging his last name, even though he's in visor to an energy group that has close ties to the governor. Even though the governor is his brother Michael doesn't believe his opinions on climate change matter more than any other Joe citizens. So you don't feel for instance, that I mean, do you get FaceTime with your brother? He's known listening to you know, none at all. I'm sure there are a lot of listeners in the general public out there who think that, you know, the sununu family gets together at dinner every week and figures out what we're doing all ten of you know, it is not and and I I avoid. Talking to my brother about these policy issues one for his sake because I don't think he really cares to hear me complain about what he's doing. Or you need certainly doesn't need me to support. I think the good things that he's doing it. It certainly for his, but for my sake as well. I think the issue is not is not, you know, my family. The truth is Michael sue might not need any special access in order for his ideas. Hold sway. He might just need to be. They're putting out these ideas. So that other Republicans can take them in run with them. Certainly he doesn't have to try hard convince a lot of Republicans. They don't need to put forth any sort of plan for taking action on climate change one thing to climate skeptics in denial of done. Very well is they have made skepticism and denial ISM about climate science, a core part of Republican identity, and that means a lot more to people than being quote right about an issue times have changed. But this noon family is still very much tapped into climate change and energy, politics and New Hampshire Michael testifies against carbon taxes at the state house. Chris veto any law that increases electric rates and their father, John H the former crossfire knife fighter has been known to poke his head back into the issue too. Question. That's the elder sununu late last year in a ritzy Bank would hall with views of New Hampshire's Atlantic coast. He was at a conference that sparked controversy locally because it had a lot of speakers who've become synonymous with climate change denial and not so many on the other end of the spectrum. But the speakers who are skeptical that we should be worried about climate change had a fan in John H sununu. So where does this leave us? Of course, it's anyone's guess if you'd asked Rafe Pomerance, the climate activists who watched John sununu torpedo the first climate talks Nordvik in nineteen Eighty-nine. He wouldn't have guessed that we'd see the questioning of climate science that we've weathered over the past three decades. These e part was a science you put more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere the earth warms up, very straightforward. Who can who can who can argue with this. I was totally wrong. Right. So I thought the science was straightforward. The stakes were enormous that that there would be a response. I didn't predict divisions or think that the divisions. We now experience what happen? But if anyone's got an idea, it's going to be someone who spends a lot of time talking to Republicans someone like Jerry Taylor of Niskanen center, right now, most elected, I would say most elected Republicans are not the sort of blind denials that seem to inhabit the White House. Now that doesn't mean that they're ready to Embiid Asli act, but their minds are open one of the the only common denominator to the Republican party from the time of Lincoln to the time of Trump. And there is only one common denominator is that. It's always been the party business always and as climate change becomes more and more of a problem. It's going to cause more and more losses to businesses to ski resorts to fishermen to the egg industry. To various different other resource industries at to the recreation industry to to a number of them. What do you think the chances are that they will just quietly accept those losses versus perhaps launching legal action against the fossil fuel contra companies that manufactured the products that gave them these losses. We're already starting to see those kind of losses. We seem the from the municipal level. But we we just recently saw them from the fishing industry in the Pacific northwest. And we're gonna start seeing them more frequently I think from the ski industry and others. So that's one thing that could change the way Republicans think about climate change. What if they're favored industrial allies are the ones we're increasingly animated about recovering the damages that are being done to them. It does feel like level warming is having something of political moment right now, we have to deal with this. It's a top issue for Democrats on the twenty twenty presidential campaign trail or planet is in peril. Moderate Republican governors like Larry HOGAN, Charlie Baker or acting on climate at the state level. We have tougher tougher clean air standards. Progressive Democrats have put their weight behind at least the framework of the green new deal. Challenges are one of the biggest existential response group of Republicans, including Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham and Lamar Alexander have counterproposal. They're calling a new Manhattan project for clean up our air, raise family, incomes this fall after a year of fires floods and devastating hurricanes. All potentially linked to the warming trend opinion polls registered the first real uptaking concern about climate change for the first time in more than a decade. But we've been in these moments before and if history is any judge there will be sununu in the room who decide where we go from here. Talk. Forty seven. This episode about side in was produced by me Sam Brown, any row peak in Taylor Quimby with helping Daniel Barrick for prince L, Josh Rogers, Nick kep Ajay, Jimmy, Gutierrez and just in paradise. Erica Janik is our executive producer. Maureen McMurray is director of dynastic succession, planning if you're interested in hearing more about this story, we're trying something new you can find full unedited versions of several. The interviews. We used to put the story together including the one with Jerry Taylor Michelson. New shared a Brown and grant Bosse on our website outside in radio dot org. If you wanna weigh in find us on Facebook search for outside slush in after Jordan are moderated group or just shouted us on Twitter, we're at outside in radio. I'm at a row peek and Sam is at Sam be an HP music in this episode came from blue dot sessions. Our theme music is by brake master cylinder outside in the production of New Hampshire public radio.

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The Black Press: From Freedoms Journal to The Crisis, Ebony & Jet

Black History in Two Minutes

03:24 min | 5 months ago

The Black Press: From Freedoms Journal to The Crisis, Ebony & Jet

"In Eighteen, twenty, seven, two free black men in New York, city. Tired of reading negative stories about African in the press decided to do something about it. They created their own newspaper. It was called Freedom's journal. In its inaugural edition, the editors boldly announced their intentions. We wish to plead our own 'cause too long. Have others spoken for us? The Freedom Journal proved that there was a black readership for black publications. In the United States by the start of the civil war, there were forty publications, and probably the most influential of these was founded by the abolitionist. Frederick. Douglass the Northstar which became a model of black press activism. The end of the civil war didn't end the need for an activist black press with the overthrow of reconstruction, the imposition of harsh Jim crow laws and voter suppression throughout the South, the black press became one of the main outlets for the resistance movement. In addition to black newspapers, black magazines played an important role. Two of the most important were the colored American edited by Pauline Hopkins One of the few Black Women Editors and the ACP flagship journal, the crisis, the crisis, which is edited by boys, provides a mixture of all kinds of journalism from protests to sort of going on in terms of racial injustice stories about black accomplishments, it's widely distributed and becomes major national voice for African Americans. Other magazines followed most notably Ebony and then jet both launched by John H Johnson following World War Two. When jet published the heart wrenching photographs a fourteen year old EMMETT. Till's brutalised body. After his nineteen fifty five lynching. It helped ignite the modern civil rights movement. And all that movement. Lack reporters risk their lives to expose the violence of segregationists. Enough credit isn't given to black journalists talking about speaking truth to power when you think about people who are willing to go against the status quo in to`realize against white racism and white supremacy in a period of time was so dangerous to do so these people are just tremendous. Courageous figures. while. The mainstream American press mate. African Americans feel invisible. The black press gave African Americans of face and voice.

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Why 8chan's founder wants it shut

The Signal

14:10 min | 1 year ago

Why 8chan's founder wants it shut

"This is an a._b._c. podcast. Yesterday i frederick brennan. The founder of an online forum called eight chen tweeted finally this this nightmare might have an end. He was celebrating. The fact that i chain could be removed from the internet. This happened after another nightmare. A gunman in el paso texas walked into a walmart on saturday morning and shot dead twenty people just nineteen minutes before he did that. The alleged killer appears to have posted racist rantel manifesto on the online forum eight chen. If they're fide it'll be the third time that this has happened just this she at first there was the cross church shooter who killed fifty one people to mosques in new zealand in march then the gunman who opened fire and killed one person the synagogue in california in april role and now a passer. It's alleged the shooter's all used eight chance to deliver their racist or white supremacist message and all three attacks was celebrated john h i'm ruby johns and i'm steven stocks fell down the signaled the story at i chan it's down and with a shutting it down seventy laws. My name is fred brennan in two thousand thirteen. I had the dubious honor of creating h. M. and i left a in two thousand sixteen but somehow i can't seem to get away from it so h._m._o. Is more or less a completely unmotivated message board and you can actually trace its origins to another online form fortune. I had always been on user of fortune and so when a few years prior of the admin of fortune had deleted aboard that i like to use and then by two thousand thirteen when i made eight janneh was just really fed up with fortune and i just wanted to see what would be like to have like a site that was a cross between read it unfortunately so that's why it made it at the time fred. Who has this condition called little bone disease and uses a wheelchair was angry about being selected because of his disability. He wanted to create some way like a haven. I guess for people who are feeling the same way in its first year. It was actually pretty uneventful. It wasn't until four chan chan decided it had had enough of another community people piling on about something called gamma gate that are really started getting attention and gema gate for those who don't know was this huge flat that played applied online about how women were being treated by the gaming community. It got really nasty. Female developers and journalists abused and threatened which led to fortune unbanning discussion around it so these people went looking for somewhere else they went to a few different sites before they came across it and every other side they went to shut them down like we don't want you here like the admins would say to them. You know we can't we either can't deal with the influx or we don't want to deal with the influx. We don't like like you. We don't agree with you like that right so when they eventually came to eight chan <hes> i just decided to just go with it you know aw and then they chose eighteen and the rest is history. We proud of want. I became but what you could make it be a denser in the first few months. Absolutely i mean i would say i was the most proud of it and the first until january two thousand fifteen so the gamer gay hey controversy happened in september fourteen and then january fifteen is the <hes> is like where i thought things were at their best so yeah i was definitely proud of it and not not only proud of it but just you know proud of myself for having made this huge each popular image or because fred had this really strong free speech philosophy he welcomed these discussions and would got out that it pretty much anything goes on chen and when we say anything goes we're talking things like hate speech misogyny racism. It's basically this place where extremists suggest suggest comfortably sharing their views. Yes what worries you about how h._r. Has changed since you've stepped back okay. When i was the admin ah i bought the whole free speech ideology kind of hook line and sinker and i just get in. I didn't want to ever seem like nick. I'm being self serving or i am on. Helping one ideology in favor of others are things like that. You know what i mean and i'll i'll try to explain it. It's like one of the first things the new adleman did is. He added this saying to a chen the towards embrace infamy to me and he's left out there through all these shootings and even when i brought it to their attention that this is not a good idea to have this. You know it. It's basically i like telling people like oh. Isn't this a great that we're just you know so infamous for murderers using our site like we should embrace that would soon homicide doing well. You know i'm not a sociologist so i don't really know and i'm not an investigator so i don't really know if you know these sites directly caused any of the shootings but it seems pretty clear that a lot of people have been radicalized on some of these excites i mean that's the consensus in almost the entire you know media sphere so i i guess you could say it's doing harm to not only american society but a lot of other societies. It's creating a more polarized political environment and you know. I don't know if that's and it's not only h. And it's youtube social media in general that is creating this more polarized environment but h has like eight hundred is like the last stop on the train you know so as the founder of eight chen. What do you think should happen to it now well. It's pretty obvious that they are not taking any of these concerns. Certain heart i just i just feel like they're not going to change and they have no interest in changing and that it should be shut down because they have no interest chryst in even helping out a little bit like i know that if they would've just been a little bit more respectful taken down the embrace infamy maybe close the politics board and maybe only for like twenty four hours a day long. You know i would have done a month to be honest. If i was the admin in an for el paso i would've done because this is getting crazy but it seems like they really think this is funny. They really enjoy this. They really enjoy being the big bad you know edgy site you know it's like they enjoy being hated by everybody and so they just keep upping the anti over and over again and for that reason i think it should be shut down because the administrators or immature <unk> created a chen and you're going for it to be shut down. I mean what degree of those calls driven by guilt grit about about what the site became <hes>. I i mean definitely there is a degree of that. There's definitely a degree of jost gil at seeing this happened over and over but in some ways it's also more anger. I'm angry at them for not taking this seriously okay so eight chance founder wants a gone and now cloudflare a company that protects websites from cyber-attacks has cut off at services and that's a pretty big deal. That's only happened once wants before when it poor protection to the neo nazi website the daily storm in two thousand seventeen after the deadly far-right rally in charlottesville so all this doesn't necessarily mean the end h._r. But precious definitely building yeah. We wanted to know what difference it'd mike. If i chan was to go so we got in touch with jordan who studies online communities of the far right at the university steve sydney what looks like would probably occur is it would simply make him a bit more difficult for the outright to engage and made a bigger audience. You know what we might call the mainstream or the public but of course they can and will still move other places to continue to organize you guys <hes> there was a big an active move to create a kind of alternative digital infrastructure to support the out brian and the far-right more generally so what are the main ones they moved to gab which riches black outright tweet they have attracted so many from the ride because at the ogden defense of free speech very american kind of way basically anything goes. There's no moderation on the platform except you're not allowed ducks people's <unk> days house online and no child on agassi. Everything else is fair. Game are the platforms like hatri on which is a an attempt to rebuild the the financial backing of the movement after a lot of the big names again in the wake of charlottesville would take off the fundraising on raising platform patriot so they set up patriot on it collapsed didn't actually work very well one of the newest developments and possibly the most startling is an attempt and by god to build what they're calling the center which is essentially a shadow internet. It is a now it was initially app. Now it is a ah it's on web browser but it basically allows users to comment on news articles youtube videos without <music> out any kind of moderation aside from gabes moderation which is child pornography now doc seeing it basically circumvents attempts by say youtube to try and limit site hateful content in comments. It's not been very successful at the moment they've had a lot of difficulty coming up with the working code and actually getting it to work because obviously microsoft facebook etc etc a not very happy about this. They don't want to support it and trying to prevent it from working at this point. It has a very low number of uses on the potential there and the development itself is pretty startling. We've seen manifesto is posted on h chan. We've seen <hes> attacks being celebrated on eight ten. It's being called. A breeding ground for violence would shutting down actually change any of the violence. That's happening in the real world day. I really don't think so <hes> too little too late. I think and again the reality. Is that just going to go somewhere else like if we look at gab violence is extremely normalized. It's discussed very casually unlike eight chen it there on really much away of tangible threats of violence. It's just fantasies and discussions of violence is basically a good thing thing but they will just find somewhere else to do this. I mean there were violent acts before the internet ride the the internet isn't the catalyst of the catalyst wise it's happening. It's definitely help it's definitely helping promoted and build the kind of a <hes> mimetic stardom the comes with the idea of pre posting you'll manifesto with a a livestream link. That's that's a unique development that i can has really facilitated. I don't think getting rid of hiv will stop that. It would just reduce the reach of that happening. The manifest or might not get shed around as much as quickly okay so obviously shutting down a website won't stop mass killings not as simple as that year not at all but john does side the want supremacists and terrorist pushed off mainstream sites like facebook and twitter for a while now and that he's having an effect. It's reducing their capacity to reach selected the uninitiated right the the size of that potential audience is becoming smaller and smaller and smaller the threshold threshold facility engaging in joining discord chat is much higher than it is to log onto twitter have a look at the popular hashtags or something. You've got to kind of know what what you're already looking for to get in there so it it it's potentially in theory reducing the size of these communities and also rejoicing that rage witch which for those making the platforming is probably quite positive effect <music> so full the signal today if you'd like to get in touch innocent email the signal a._b._c. dot net dot. I you <music>. You've been listening to an a._b._c. Podcast discover more gray a._b._c. podcasts live radio and exclusives on the a._b._c. Listen app.

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251: Live in Philly (w/ Justin Tyler)

High and Mighty

1:17:15 hr | 7 months ago

251: Live in Philly (w/ Justin Tyler)

"This is a head gum podcast. This is the first high and mighty post quarantine. So I'm going to be running through some old live episodes from the recent high and mighty tour and then I have plans to keep coming out every Thursday throughout the quarantine whether it's recording remotely something I've never done on high and mighty because you know Uncle Gabor's likes to face to face tiffany's begging doing episode as we're both working from home right now We're GONNA have special episodes. I might drop in some free unreleased previously unreleased stuff. We'll figure it out but we're in this together. In the meantime stay home. Listen to high and mighty listen action. Boys listen to raise my TV. Promo Code Gino on stitcher premium. Watch your favorite movies. Rewatch Classics Watch movies. You've never seen read a book. Do Your Shit stay home? Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Don't touch changes faces. Don't let strangers touch your faces touch your loved ones face if you must but be wary about it. All RIGHT GUYS. I don't know that's not official. Cdc information that's just one uncle. Gaber says all right now live in Philadelphia with one of my best friends just in Tyler on you came. Uk This is going to be a rough one but what sought welcome back to another episode of High and mighty live from the Philadelphia. It's me Yup. Aw number the number one fuck they never on what by John H e? This is my fourth time doing this in three days. I've got no voice. I got no cardio. I've got no genitals but it's me not in I'm mighty studios not with the my nearly silent Co host. Arthur Poe is a dog. I have to tell people that. Now someone says it's rude that I'd never let my silent. Co host talk on the podcast. That's DMZ get. I will tell you about the other but you guys you bear chasers out. There are very forward and flattering. So thank you very much and I will post more pictures of my feet. Okay doing great couple more of these games. It's all boys and come back to life brother thank you for coming out to live high and mighty literally the hardest way to listen to a podcast. You guys are aware that at some point this will just be in your pocket unbeknownst you. It'll just arrive in your pocket but you guys paid money to come out in the snow and fucking watch a live podcast. I mean so much to me. It means so much came to this fucking city. I used to come to the city all the time to perform. Because it's a twenty dollar bus ride away and you get to sit next to an old Asian woman with a chicken in a cage. The back in the day the Wa bus was dangerous and the person who I did. That bus ride with the most is here with me tonight from the debt. Dad's episode my best friend Justin. I I sound great. I'm a professional performer. You perform are you sound like you're crying actively well? The subtext of the podcast became the text. Thank you for having us all right. I and when when do we mount are productive? Midsummer night's dream is that I have goats legs. How now my love? That's what Mr Dumbness impression. That's good that's definitely from Shakespeare's chronicles of Narnia hundred. They're all the same a student of the Masters Shakespeare. Cs Lewis. George are Martin. They're all the same fucking white people in my right. See Yeah cheers. Yeah speaking of white people facts are coming out. Yeah it's great that whole gang show is. I feel like I'm at my own police lineup. Yeah it's like looking in a fun House Mirror of you. It looks like the evolution of man but mostly just cavemen exactly. No one came up find food. I'M ON THE PALEO. Diet where I live next to a giant mammoth factory. Yeah Oh God honestly. Please don't do that in the microphone. Accident Throat Scream this true. We did take the Chinatown bus down here a lot. I want to say ten to twelve years ago. Yeah a long time ago. We found some old pictures of us. Coming Philadelphia Yeah. Yeah where we used to sleep on a couch together wounding. I think Greg is in the House here tonight. you left. He's like I can't back. It won't even cop to this group of free that he let us sleep on his couch and it was great because we would do. I think Greg Hammerstein introduce shows and we did IMPROV. Show sketch shows and then he would be. You know what he was getting into by having come to his house yeah. He didn't realize he was leading outside dogs in his he was like. We're GONNA have a little party. And then the party with inevitably be like ten people watching US fucking dance nude sometime. I specifically remember is when we went into Greg's room and he showed us his room and we took a bottle of nyquil out of his cabinet. And after you did this to us you're doing this. We were chugging NYQUIL and then I remember we were naked dancing on the stairs and I grabbed the banister to drop it low banisters. I'd like a big decorative ball on top. I rip that fucking thing nude out on the floor from strangers. Yeah Ed and then they left but we still kept doing that like the people who Greg was. Just there like. I'm going to bed your sleeping in my room on my. We were always on comedy a societal disorder. One Fung Memory I remember is Justin got grabbed by a woman Woman in Chinatown. They sell the tickets. Go like why are you going where you're GONNA come on? Come on come on come on and they grab you and I'm on the Philly bus waiting for just to get on the Philly bus and I see him walking to a bus that I know is going to Washington. Dc Yeah Yup and he's going Philadelphia and the what was going on like. Just get on the bus. You fucking idiot. He was a very competitive game for the ten dollars. It costs to come here to remember the Guy. One time he just pulled over and got out and was like our driver was like stretching. And we're like we can't say anything to him. We can't be like Sir. We're we're in a rush to drink. Don't worry I'm GONNA drive a hundred miles an hour. The rest of the way for my stretch and loud angry phone call. I'm just happy. I missed allowed angry phone call. Yeah bye in. Everyone is an uber driver and they got to talk to you about their album. What their favorite movie is or White Guy Driving me. I say he's only have what you request. Why Uber Drivers Right? And I know that's going to left. There's Uber White. Although putting the words Uber and white in the same sense scenes. Yeah very bad. Activates some fucking sleeper cell here? Now I think it's sort of on this side of the room sleeper cell but uber driver was just kept being like. Are you cool with hip hop music? I was like yeah. What do you mean in what way in closing I'm about to play some real nasty shit like white guy with a soul patch? Mike fucking can scare me do. Let's see it now. St Some great and he puts on some shit from like eighty nine. And I'm like Oh yeah this is. This is this is dope. And he's like you don't care doesn't bother you guys not cursing. He's not even saying anything misogynistic lyrics. What is the problem? I think I have racist face. Was he saying like you don't like this is a black person? Doing it expecting you to turn this off. I felt like he was saying like I bet. You're not actually in hip hop and I can make you want me. I wanted me to go. Can you actually not play? So he could go and he could be mad at me for the rest of his. I guess but I like it was like sure. He's never heard of this. I was like no. You said you liked hip hop. I'm going yeah. I like chicken too. I don't have an ad every chicken. What that analogy. I don't know what that means such per formative confrontation that you have out in La. Oh where the conversation started right. I miss like the guy who just has one ear bud in an shouting in a foreign language raging around New York City. Yeah like a drive route. Just doesn't engage with you at all and they're already got yeah. They're not going to talk to you because they're talking to four other people in different devices there's also a television show. Playing radio is turned up to something far beyond hip hop you see driving exclusively at our inch cones close. Man I just. I'm not going to do an impression of a guy speaking of good good good very good and he says it's shortcut shortcuts over and over again. Because he knows a way to get through and I love when a cab driver let you in on how stressful it is to drive like. That's a feeling they look back at you and go. Yeah don't even get me started. And they're like there a minute faster but I have shaken adult syndrome. Where did we perform when we come to Philly previously? We've been in the upstairs at an Irish bar. Yes there was a room up there that we were performing for like eight. Two eight eight people. This is about eight people and we would do very long Improv shows which is kind of what you're here for. Yeah spoiler about what you're seeing. And then we reformed at the Philly Improv theater. I think at a church by any chance I don't. I remember performing in a white building that felt like a church and I did this thing. Where like you put your face down and pull your pants. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That was our sketch show. Yeah and then we. I remember one distinct memory. I have is the aforementioned Guy Greg who's getting more play than he expected to roast. Almost we did our show couple nights in a row and on the second night we did a written scripted. Show and goes guys tonight. That show was twelve minutes longer than it was last night. A twenty five minutes and we were like. Oh Wow. There was news to us that we have almost doubled the length of the show by just and we don't know what happened the show. The show wasn't tight previously and just paint a little picture. The show as a lifeguard sketch. Show where we were in. Speedo for ninety percent of for the entire we read. We actually looked better than we did back then. Now yes we were looking now. We are for sure closer to human. Now we look disgusting and we would travel and do our show all around the country and it would be like us and like zinc on her nose backstage and everyone else is like Thai comedy routine. Alphen where like? What are we doing aso? That's bullshit we were like they. They don't get it we. Can you know what's funny and it's Doughy tits on men and we are show required helium tanks? Fill up a bunch of balloons for and you get it. Get it right. It's a lifeguard show with a helium tank that we we had the theater. Your we had a tank that looked like a missile that people your emails and missile founded tank backstage. We don't know what it is a purple Tube Valve on. That's ours don't touch. We spent hundreds of dollars on every performance of show that I should. We should have joined the Party. City of rewards companies really. We were like buying a helium tank a week for like nine months and we were a waiter and we had no fucking jit officer. We had no money coming up to Philly to do shows a hundred and ten dollars. Take our doing it for one. Hundred fifty still got twelve years later still fucking broke drinking and his craft beer tall boys for small boys. It's perfect. I do like that. We each brought to. That should be enough. The show is only two and a half hours. Yeah we should be allocated together at this point. We've been up for forty five to fifty minutes. We're almost done. I think contractually. We can leave any minute. Now sorry onto a lot of stuff and post when you hear it as extra scene where you just put it in a random dialogue from movies you like. I'll include my performance of Li- Sandra from a midsummer night's dream and to my monologue. Good vary getting closer. I don't know if that's a person. Good table is simple Tiberius. Are they both things from different plays? What's the King's name? In a midsummer night's dream Taibbi or even know king is the guy who's not in the whole thing. He kind of POPs in at the far nice. What about you mouth breeders? Yeah that's nothing to do with moral name. Your favorite Shakespearean Character. Does anyone know the king amid Nice Stream? It's Taibbi it's not Tiberius overruns the fairy king. I was getting to this. Anybody WanNa have guy. I mean. He's forty so it's weird to talk about his major but not not no. It's not it's great. It's great normal all major theater politics. Imagine talking to this Guy Nightmare. What is the common ground you could find with? An Asos spent his college years. That's Dork. Yeah could you tell your major was lifeguarding? And what was that? Sorry I just and I minored in funneling. It was unfortunately radio and my major has the word radio in it. It's actually using your value. Did literally what is. Oh my God radios colleges stupid radio. It'd be. Does that help. I was also an art minor. A Studio Art Minor. I know one of the fat heaviest guy in in. Maybe the school but definitely definitely Lord you would you would drop pointillism references in some of our early shows that come. I only took eighteen credits. We only got two point Ed cool. I'm Surat Guy You know what I'm saying. All the Surat heads here. Throw your hands up. That's actually the fairy queen. What did we want to talk about on the show? Because a lot of interviewers figured out in the process while you're here for my prep work our previous episode was about both having Dead Dad's hundred percent. Yeah and mine came mine returned to life so he can't talk about seeing and that's funny 'cause we could talk about our dads how they came back to life but mine died again. Yeah Pardon me brain cancer. The first time the second banana peel choked on it eight. It was not flying and say that you didn't come back fully within these Zombie. Bugging the peel off the banana. He was going to spit it out like a sunflower seed and then choked in front of me ever watched you have you ever seen. You're already dead. Dad Choke to death in front of you guys. But I don't know if that's a live show kind of topic now. This crowd is charged up for some deep emotional commentary ten years past the actual deaths. That were really. We've really taken totally okay with it. It rarely ever comes up as if you're a member of the dead dads club good. Wow loser weird but yeah not necessary all right all right now now. Everyone who has a dead mall? That's me but the other topic we discussed was male friendship male French one of my longest running friends longest running implies an ending. What happened is then. I'd say. Buffy you know anyone who's ever heard say the nights puppy on this podcast you know then attributed to him who said that. I to me and I never heard that phrase before an burned in my head. It's very stupid. It's very dumb. I don't fully get it still. Does I say it all the time. I think it was Shakespeare. I put it to page and I believe it was Tiberius. Who I knew it but because we've been friends for a very long time and managed to maintain friendships. We work together and didn't work together. Lived together for stints. We've gone on vacation. We live together for a month in Montana. That was really fun very fund when we when we were actually just catching up. It's been a while as fucking each other for one month. I mean we've spent ten years dealing our wives. We weren't fucking. We've spent the last because our wives are also very good friends and we both spoke at each others weddings where that tight for the last ten years. They've thought we were fucking while we were trying to get them to fuck each other. I think Justin just heard that that is out there yet so much is falling into place ads. So let's fuck tonight so that they have to be. That's how it works. That's how it works. You say that as a bid but like we rented a an airstream okay in north of La in Malibu and now though technically where I live we have basically where I own an apartment you came out to visit and I told my wife that we were renting a place for the night to get writing done and we rented airstream trailer and it was a little weird. We were there going like. It's so funny that our wives always keep saying we're gay there were like. Is this brokeback. Now we're here to write a screenplay. In one night we brought like forty. Forty pounds of fucking. We'd Hundred Years Lakes sausage why. We spent like two hundred dollars at the grocery store. We never opened the laptops of once. Really not a word or style. We took an outdoor shower. We separately and separately. We crossed the without light at night. Which is literally the most dangerous thing you can do but AFLA trip. My wife was dead serious. She was like did you guys so like anywhere like it would know tell. I will be different all right. Here's something funny about that trip. So we're there and the airstream we rented that's a great start to a story right where they're all the details you need. And there's two other things on the property including a teepee and you could rent. You can rent that other people are renting which is sticks and cloth just to be clear you ran as a place to sleep inside. I don't cultural appropriation. And the debate set up and him are sitting there outside of our airstream in lawn chairs drinking tall boys in our bathing suits bullshitting and then two girls show up to young women like young beautiful and their German tourists shop up and they're staying teepee and we're like hello when they walk and then they leave hang on the set up and they come walking back pass or like you guys are staying in the TV. And they're like yes. Yes yes just goes crazy. Doesn't have a lock. Neither of US realized what that might sound very innocent. Like oh that's crazy. And then they walked away and we were like I think what we said was in a pro said that they were like probably like we have to buy a gun. Americans do need guns. Get me bump stock. I have a bump stock in. That was that was weird and that was my fault but it also fell. It also felt like a sort of a porno trap are wiser. Like they're up there being gay and then there's two German tourists with like blonde pigtails and bad bags. Like do you know where the market is like. Come on Jesus Christ over there we've got six bottles Makuuchi for the two of us for one night if you WANNA party and our fuck fuck also that night. Just cooking cooking for us. Every time I say every detail I feel I'm like yeah of course that we add a pretty much a gay weekend nervous tick that is just anti what my hands on. I've never noticed in the live show of a truly. I guess that's happening in the studio and all I have so. Many male guests repeat females the fingering. Your by finger just cooking. He's got a little tin a aluminum foil envelope full of sausage and peppers that we're making grow not that tweet shit though. Megan oh saying we go above and beyond we bought like Areso Spicer. We're getting after. It just seems like we're at a beer. I'm like oh switch red wine. He's like yeah. Go It's in the trailer grabbing. Eliot. I'll grab a joint to go in the trailer but joined my mouth. Don't let it grant the bottle and I go to open this one. I come screaming out of the trailer on my. We're so hyped. I'm running on necessarily running. He's not need to run. I truly never need to. And there is a fog. Like knee high tree stump coffee table thing and I fucking hate it and go fully the fact that the wind bottle didn't break and cut my fucking jugular. Which is what I was praying for. It just didn't happen but I had a fucking Gash on my leg. That was insane. Yeah I thought we were going to have to break into the German DP because there wasn't no lock your drive. Is there get anything though? We're fine maybe they have to have bonds. We'll stop the blood. One of them smelled like she was under period. Yeah we're shocked like that but something that kind of ven diagram both a male friendship and dead. Dad's is I feel like our dads died like one year apart or closer together when we were at peak spending a lot of times when we were writing together living around the by the way just we would just take turns going to each other's houses or or a cafe in the middle of apartments every day for like nine months nine months. I'm broken but over the course of five years. We were doing this ship and we were. We were making zero dollars to. I want to know that for like four or five years streams reams we had and then eventually we had a we had big dreams and then eventually sold pilots to comedy central Made not a fortune. This is where the math comes into play if you spread it out over one year. It's like selling to pilots is sharing a teacher salary which is good money for writing. But it's not enough to live off of but if you sell business somehow sadder than the dead. That's just get there real quick. Just kids go back to that weird homophobic stuff as we're doing it wasn't homophobic was homoerotic. Very Different Yeah. It's sort of like what's what's the opposite of PHOBIC Homo- sexual. I really took you a minute. They're they're with the Niro works. Oh yeah and it would've spread over five years. It comes out to about four grand a year living working on these scripts and stuff for five years and made about twenty grand each over the course of five just to give so. We did the lifeguard sketch that we talked about it. We didn't Philly Annetta. Industry Heat surprised to hear that we did a lifeguard comedy show as listeners behind mighty that I might have some things to say about being a lifeguard. Oh at what a statement we made in that sketch show we really Lit up though lifeguard about the hunt smirk on a lifeguard who rescued baby Hitler in German beach and blamed himself for the Holocaust. Seca safety still got smart comedy central executives that we didn't burn a bridge with at all. Don't want to work with DEFA. Get INTO THAT BRIDGE WE BURN IN LA story in a second. Let me just say real quick? We were doing that. Lifeguards get show. We were then like these people when we did in L. A. Were like Oh you should read this as a movie so we went back to New York and we grinded on the laptop. We wrote this epic movie. Let's zoom out a little bit now that we're that that was about twelve years ago ten years ago it's a little bit now and talk more. About what a general meeting where someone goes. Hey guys should maybe read a movie about. This doesn't necessarily mean we're going to buy a script. As soon as you handed to us. It turns out it does not mean. They don't tell you that before you get to Hollywood so the whole time. We're writing a movie for what we think our film exacts and we literally would write for like a few hours and be. They're like okay so when they buy this. We're GONNA do this. And we were not nineteen. We were like twenty five and I was even the little older. We WON'T GET INTO DETAILS OF AGE differences. But yeah we're in our mid to late twenty s going like Ooh Dude then we go on a writer's retreat and we can write and like we were talking about it. We were fucking. I was trying to think of writers and I was like Abbott and Costello was good. We we are like them for a different reason. We got the CLASSIC COMEDY. Duo build we so he said in the movie and they were like thanks for doing this. Guy's this is insane. It's a it starts as a lifeguard movie and it ends with the two guards at alarming castle castle because the American gladiators that were also their rival lifeguards. And we were like it has to be the actual American gladiators. We're like pictures of nine drew and laser. Yeah this is what we need. And it's very rare to include a glossy photograph in a screenplay but we paid for it. We went the extra mile so we have never done anymore. We retired now. So here's the story. Justin brought it up casually that I think we famously famously. Infamously honestly neither. Let's be honest. It's not either one of those things. It's something widely known to US internally. I think is the answer. I wish it was all internal but Justin has the worst farts known to man but not someone said yes. Weird to hear someone I think does not someone who's like yes me too someone who is like yes. You come to my house. I got a ziplock bag in terrible fires because he spends all night drinking. Aiba and all day drinking coffee and the not anything else. Yeah waters for suckers. Take the water beer. I wish I could just sit up here in ops and but the thing is when people I don't like to own up to it. I didn't own up to it if it smelled that bed to like when they look at us. They think I did it. Go we talk a little bit about skinny privilege. I'm fat that doesn't affect my insides. I mean maybe my blood sugar level is higher or whatever but it's not like my farts smell worse because one hundred more pounds than in one hundred thirty and so when he farts people are like we're always together we swim. We're working at the cafe and on my chest and he's like we gotta get Outta here. We gotTA GET OUTTA here. I just feel everyone's eyes burning a hole in me. It's like I knew that fat guy friends smells so good. And that's that Fat Guy Rip Bananas. Yeah let's fucking go outside. His House with pitchforks and torches happen a lot so I usually get mad at him. I used to be like you should tell those people you farted. He's GonNa do. I'm GonNa do that but you don't WanNA walk up and Hanna car this is. I farted me goes a child molester. Going on Megan's law is a woman who died when she smelled his part different Meghan. Different Meghan are. Yeah so we had a meeting at Spike TV. No comedy central. La and we site. Where are we at a manager? Who was a fucking psychopath at the time guys? We were psyched because we didn't understand the business at all. We were so green that every time. Someone's like we'll take a meeting with them. Where like okay? How do we make money at this? Talk to these people and keep in mind. We got these meetings off being in Speedo with a helium tank so the fact that they thought we were gonNA crush. It was their mistake at some. Point is their fault so we had this beating where waiting in the conference room for our manager and for the people were meeting with the show up. We're sitting there and Justin Justin spaces like he starts smirk. And he's a little red and Mike Awesome. It hits me and it stinks and did you fart. And he's like no. I didn't Mike I know you did. He goes it doesn't even smell and then I go bro. It smells this one hundred version of this fight. It's the only thing we ever fought about. He's like you're being dramatic dude. Just relax does he. Fuck and smell. It's not a big deal. It's going to be gone. There aren't even here. Our manager comes in sits down doesn't react all doesn't say a word just looks at me and goes see. It's gone coast. It's left us doesn't smell it our our magic sitting there going like guests Blah Blah this and then the people were meeting with come in they opening executives coventry executives men and women. The door opens instantly. Oh my God what happened in here. They start debating. What happened and and I'm sitting there. I'm looking at just fucking. I told you it smells there. These these people are having this conversation. Well Linda as our baby with here today. So maybe she's throwing the diapers out in this room. That's what it is you motherfucker and I know they think it's me I I it's the Guy Responds to it's not diapers. It's way worse. People say there's sometimes animals the wall maybe one of them died. He was guessing. No not baby shit. I dead raccoon. We we had. We had to change conference. We moved conference instead of their like went on as we were moving to the other rooms seen Kenny. Many later. That where you guys kept talking about Kenny fucking spanning so proud of it. They really ate our lunch. Those fuckers we bit we pitch them broad city but with guys and they turned it down. Don't say that does say that people say that allow. It's really funny. What is broad city show? You have in ten years. You're GONNA love it. I feel great. I am mighty what is feels. I'm talking about feels F. E. A. L. S. which is premium. Cbd delivered directly to your doorsteps. feels tackles helps reduce stress anxiety pain and sleeplessness. 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Yeah so let's say you don't say stuff like that out loud were so codependent than my mom. Just doesn't know how to behave. So she just like fucking she and I just wasn't prepared for that. That's not something I've thought about it. All it was like. Oh you're you're sort of being taken care of for way longer than we thought way more. You can do way less than I imagined which is unfortunately like true. Well I do think like it was weird when my dad died because they were it was like Phil Relate. They'd been together for like thirty years or something so when he died she was like basically single for the first time since like high school is and so she became a high school person again and she was like after like nine months went by and she was like. I'm not GonNa don't tell your siblings but I'm gonNA start dating again. I was like why. Are you telling me? Don't tell anyone tried out. I don't know don't ever say this to be again if possible but I can take a moment under the umbrella of male friendship here and say I bet the reason your mom told you is because you are legendarily laid back. Yeah very kind of hard to get a rise out like I've been trying on purpose for fifteen years but you are like very okay. Sure that's what you WANNA do. My wife Friend Kid you as a dad yeah go ahead go fucking put yogurt whatever hair. I'm dead inside. Sociopath thank you I think it comes from I've seen. I've seen NIHILISTIC APATHETIC BENEFITS. Yeah you your whole vibe comes from a more like just know. You're going to be fine but I feel like that's why we get along because I think you are. Also the flip is we're both kind of annoying to be around one hundred so that waiting tomorrow morning. Anyone is in our hotel room at this guy we. It took US touring together and working together and traveling together for like five years before I learned that hungover just in is the worst version of justice. He's not hungover at all in his mind. Now I'm in. Prime is a hundred miles an hour and just farting rust and remember. I'm and figure out the Falcons I pointed and he's like what are we doing today? Shut the fuck up man. Yeah but we're both very specific and annoying in our own ways since we're both really laid back we kind just allow each other the real monsters but then when we get together with other friends or our wives if it's like I'm very aware of how annoying both of us are because they say it to our faces immediately. Yeah Oh yeah it's not like there's a self-awareness thing happening. My wife is one of the fake species so capable of being so fake. Thank you to a stranger. Whatever can't do it with me. She can't even like show a Clinton now. I'm cool with what you're doing right now. She's already board been bored since two thousand and three hundred my wife when I even gesture toward making some sort of joke. She's like I'm done with this. I'm like this. Let me finish saying eve. I don't know joy it or don't but like what would you even doing? Your wife has the power and maybe the mindset that if she laughs at you you've one hundred percent a hundred that is one hundred percent and to to my wife. We'll get like that too but not but I've seen it more where I could see justice like really trying to visit funds. I haven't fun. He's being so cute. He's trying to be so fucking cute and silly with her and she knows that if she doesn't laugh it'll kill him yet and he's very funny clearly very funny look at the way. Those hand moving very fine is why it's beautiful serene but she also there while he does the biggest characters and Benson's she'll just as I see that she sees that she's winning one hundred cents you. I can't wait till she listens to this. Podcast IT'S GONNA be over here. Said it to her that weekend because we talked. It's different when you saying to her. Saying on a podcast in front of a large crowd of people. Being like yeah. That's how she is. I'm dead I'm in a bad place. Future bad place you can. You can sort of do the excuse. I have when I do stuff like this. I'm pretty sure my wife will never get around to listening one hundred percent hundred percent i. My wife has single podcast. I've ever done. I would give her a thousand dollars that they don't think we're funny they don't want you guys are paying money to come see this woman who lives with me like no time like the turn up. Living with us is like being in a nonstop podcast. You can't turn on in that podcast every once in a while you have to see my little. Dick wasn't cold shower and my wife's like quietly in the bathroom and I'm like no and I like hold the towel over me. She's like I don't know what are you hiding? We've been married ten years. She's like there's no way I would be surprised. I hope it just grows randomly a lot over one night just up one morning. Your tickets like four inches longer. Tripling its eyes and you're like let me ask you though. Would you then be like? Oh I should investigate this talk to a doctor or would you be like yes. Go about your day. I honestly feel like I would get in trouble. My wife's going so man. How do I explain? I got a new Dick. She's GonNa know something's GonNa be mad at you. But what did you do that? You literally made a wish came true. Like I'm sorry. Dig is bigger like the weirdest thing to apologize. Actually it's really not that she's still. She's still unimpressed. Where'd you get that extra Dick from WHO's Dick is that WHO'd you take that? Dick from Justin Justin. Dick when you fucking I love it. I knew it I knew it. Also Toss Justice for. I'll just say when we were doing the lifeguard show just in a little bit hippyish with his downstairs area. Okay well let's just say there was a point in the life partner. We were fully news that we get this podcast. Our reproductive in midsummer night's dream is very roddick. And there's only two characters and we both play the kings and they fuck each other in the beginning of the show. We rip off our tearaway pants to reveal speedo in the last beat of the show. We RIP OF OUR BANDS. And we don't have this vetoes on but we have our hands up. That's what we called. A punchline reaction hearing wasn't wasn't much better than it was in the room. Yeah Oh the trick was that you add to the tech at hit. The lights the second the pants off now which should be surprised. That guy that's working at the theater for Free Improv. Class is maybe not on. Top of his cues yeah. Yeah we'll be like this and the big thing when you're starting out in comedy is getting industry to see her show meeting people that work in Hollywood or the business or TV or agents are looking for the actors to be movies for Steve Jones manager would be like you have your dicks out at the end. No one wants to work with you guys. You're like literally off quitting like we're trying to court people into working with you and you're scaring people. The paint in that conference room has bubbled off the wall. You guys were there. You can't go back there that night. They walked the comedy Central Building and they went. Burn it. That's why they haven't recovered. After broad city broad city ended. And you blow up the fucking bathroom. I wish it was the bathroom. Nope nope just the conference go too far now too and I feel like it's Karma Yeah I did to myself all this talking about partying and I would try to do something funny like fired on the Mike. But that's how you shit. Your pants smoke from a man who's been through that before but you're acting like you're farts. Smell like fucking sunny day smelling farts. Yeah but I felt like you used me like I was like my own man and sometimes it smells bad. I'm a truck highway and you're driving behind me. Going like yeah. I'm getting some fucked in drafting off this far. I smell it now. I get a forty year old men talking about farting you guys paid for. This is not us constant punishment for the audience. Did you find that your dad passed away? I love this. I love excuse circling back. We're LIKE DANCE DIED. Audience goes quiet farting back in it. I walk the line. Maybe we'll talk about both. Did you find when Your Dad died? You had to be more of a grownup than you ever had to be before in Your Life. We were both weren't married yet when our dad had a stroke. Well my because we're the oldest boy. Yes yes the oldest person this person. We're both the boy. I'm technically a thirty seven year. Old Boy Sunday. We're going to be men that's all your old. You're the oldest bully until you're dead dies and then you have to become the youngest man. Yeah My younger brother is John is like also Jon spelled the same and I have a brother named Justin. It's kind of weird. Could take differences the same as our age. But they're literally I guess they're sort of similar but are they. They might listen to this. Yeah neither of them want to hear about themselves right now. What we're going to not like our wives who we just talked about a lot talking about tiffany activates a little bit of a narcissist gene in her brain where she's just happy to hear people talking about. That's Nice my wife. I think she's going to be pissed now. I think if I left that part out I might be okay to editor at that out yet. Anyone who listens does what is he. Editing out long moment's silence. There's weird racially charged misogyny. Just kidding my younger brother. When my dad died he moved home. He was like I'm GonNa go home. I was like okay. I feel now that I should also but that would be very weird. Yeah so he went and that so then he was like. I'm the man here I'll help out and it was. It was very difficult for everybody. Sort of a disaster so weirdly. The same thing happened to me but not someone moving home. My brothers were and I was living in Brooklyn and so that was twenty minutes and is gone. All right feels like your problem now but I mean the biggest thing we're talking about before is like my mom then had to like handle so many other things and also be like. I want to date so she was like trying to figure that out at the same time and that's very hard and only she dated a guy who I was like I keep talking about. I was like he's being mean to you. He's not talking to you and I was like. Why am I telling her that? This man who is this giant man. My Mom dated tried to date a giant man and then the smallest man I've ever seen I know the small man. He put his tank tops. The Hanger Yeah we were. That's burned into my fucking man. So he came into the House with carrying them. I think he'd gotten them dry cleaned. It was really interesting time because we're on the medal. It wasn't like he had him hanging in it's the the free hangers loose. And this is like I'm GonNa meet these kids and impressive. They live in New York City. Yeah I'm going to go into my girlfriend. Has a thirty. Three year olds go impressive with my tank tops. But that gave us is there. We were up. At the lake I grew up on a lake and garrisons visiting that we can and there's this rockwell jumpoff called Indian head not not the best name this and it's like it's like thirty five feet of water and so we go over there. We've been jumping off at ten years old. You jumped off. We jumped off the morning of your wedding in the rain. That's true varies very cool. Very AWESOME WE DRANK. Woodford reserve out of coffee mugs and dove of a cliff justice for the rocks. We had to steer him into the water. I think this is the time metaphor Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to this. Podcast Why did you choose this horrible choice really bad choice? So we get up there and we're all dumping off and he's like clearly scared which totally he's never done this he's like you should be scared to jump over thirty five foot cliff and reasonable reaction fifty five. He's not so again. He's very tiny so small and I'm a giant. He's tiny he gets up there and find the he's like. I'm going to do this. And you guys were forging. It like not everyone. Does it like no one asked like so many people of all do not decide to jump off a hero? Don't be here so he gets up. There is like I got this and he gets to the edge and takes in their Iraq's below you have to jump out. He takes the smallest step a man could take. I was like as soon as he did it. I looked at the John and my brother and I was like he's dead. There's a dead body of a very tiny tiny dead bodies. It's not a super sheer cliff. There's a little bit of a bill to it. And there's tree branches and shades sticking. This guy goes just like we gotta go tell. My mom or boyfriend is dead and was great as another dad down the terrain and then and then do we bury them in a tank top that he has his eye okay. He left his tank tops to me. It's really add a note on them like these are justified. I barely madame. Wait another thing that I've been on the cliff cliff saying Indian again. We're boys boys stories happen on cliffs in this other we want. We have this idea that would be a very cool thing to take a hit a weed. This very perfect for the high and mighty audience. Hold it in your lungs and then jump off the cliff or dive off and come up and exhale the smoke. They already cool very very cold. Very cool it was. I was so excited to try. We nine hour drive from New York City. What am I GONNA do it? A writer's retreat another writer's retreat. Just going to his leg house to get fucking fucked up and dive off cliffs under the but it was a scene in the movie we were GonNa Right. Yeah and again we. I don't think we opened the laptops but we did really that scene. We tried to watch the first episode mighty Bush like sixty. You ever watch show off. Getting what farts wasn't are only fight. Mighty Bouch was another one sort of. You're like yeah. I watched like did you on your laptop the whole time. I was playing and you weren't paying attention like I watch and I was watching about fucking kill you. You have to watch the mighty boosts. You don't understand me creatively. Check out the mighty Bouche if you ever watch it. It's Very Funny Fagan virga definitely check it out so we get up. I'm so pissed I'm trying to be cool about well. You said that this is. I'm here longest running friends and so I guess this is the L. At see if anyone can beat you because that's the friendship is a race and it started on one has to win started level to two thousand four and it ended tonight January. I wish I knew the date I couldn't even think of the data. I guess eighteenth please. Please don't for guessing that date give him come on. He's a big boy. This embarrassed the most embarrassing thing is. It's like I've been plugging January. Come see me live January. Eighteenth that Philly and I forgot everything he should be the only date I know but we desire. Jump Up do this. We trick whatever you WANNA call it. I think the joke in this group to us. What are you guys? Call this smoking weed was the answer. It's getting so we took it. Pass the ball the justice. I'd jump off. Come up breathe it out. Justin does the same. We're like that so clear recall. It's crazy like it was so cool the water so art and I really wanted to exile the weed but I held until I came back up like two dogs. We're like yeah we're gonNA live forever true true. We're definitely going to be way past talking telling these stories. And when we're in our thirties and forties we're not so then one of our other friends with us. This Guy Kevin he he does. It gets on the boat with US last Justin's butter John He does. It goes goes. Throw me the lighter in the bowl to Kevin in the boat and brothers. I'm not doing that. The boats forty feet away from the cliff. Bagheri and it's yeah whatever C. squared away. So JONGA's throws a lighter of the roof off the roof of a cliff cliff for it off the cliff source fogging. So far Kevin on the boat which hand up catches the fucking later unbelievable. Oh we've never seen something like that in our lives. We're all losing our shit like just through all right next up the more expensive fragile face. The glass boring. You believe the more important Kevin puts his hand up John Lineup. Twenty five feet over the top of the boat. Sales hits the water. We all look only bowl. We have the League has from the weekend but a little instantly gone over diving off the boat like it's a friend as I sat rippin layers off and she called police rescue divers in there they could get the likes we need choppers. None of us knew how to roller. Never got it man. Next time I go to the lake as we do that again. We gotta find the Bro. We can do it with no new ideas. Johnson's family as a Lake House. We used to go there all the time memories. I have from there as you guys used Avid Jetski. But then you didn't but then you had like a cool cousin who had a jet ski and it was like if you guys want us. My Jet Ski. You totally can't yeah. And we were like. He's not cool. He's just six feet tall. A fireman in West Virginia Jack as cool to US. Fifteen years younger than we're you're going to get so much pussies. Please leave me alone. Firefighter let me feel those legs off. Mr. You just met you. So he's like so you Gabor's can take my jet ski out. We're like we're GONNA fucking have a blast. Oh we gotta do is jump on this thing in get it going and I stepped gets on. I step off the deck on the CAIN instantly instantly took us by surprise that it was happening. Whole fellows no problem. No I'm not no I personally. Forty minutes of trying to get both of us on a jet ski and I actually gave up. I don't think we ever took a right. No we did not that day but we came back came back seven years later and weeks Onkar. That jet ski in the seven year training montage white trash people teaching us at a Jetski. We finally get on the jet ski and I like we're adults at this period of time. Too Big to do most activities and definitely do big to be sitting by so we have to live on his chest. Literally like me I'm Florida is that a big lake so we could build up a head of st how. That's her turn. Everyone can see us anyone who has a house? That's two gay guys are doing their. We brought a bag. That was really fun. Thanks doing that again. Yeah that was a big part of our friendship. That Jetski ride. Would you say one of your favorite activities is drinking with your shirt off because it's definitely top five for me? I don't even have to have my shirt off. No we don't like breakdown. Our alcoholism about the shirt. I gotcha like that vibe of a situation in which you can have a beer and have your shirt off like if you're in that situation the witcher agrees with me again. Yeah wow I didn't even know. Congratulations on the season. That's so good. I don't know the words but just the vibe if you're in the situation where you're allowed to have your shirt off and you're allowed to consume alcohol or drugs. I don't think there's a better situation. Yeah well I think it sort of sets a tone Mike. Oh I love drinking at a bar. Oh I love having my shirt. Off in the pool but fucking. Let's get all these things because I think it's sort of an outside dog mentality. You were talking about earlier where it's just like giving you a day where we can just like day drinking or get out of the normal routine and then see what happens. I think it starts in college. Went to college. Who knows what colleges. It's like high school but in the judgment if you didn't go. I don't ca smart move. You probably have an extra fifty grand lying around but you're using your funneling major. Yeah radio. Tv Yeah. My thesis was like an Advertising Campaign. Nice so that helped but these are hitting the head. What the fuck was I talking shirts off now? It was something new at that point back me up college. Starting College College starts in college. If you went to school in the northeast where like I'm assuming a lot of Philly residents New York residents did the first glimpse of Nice weather. Yeah every girl has rolled and this is the early two thousands late nineties. Every girl has role shorts and roll tanked dudes or playing Frisbee with their shirts off. The vibe changes completely on that first day in March where the sun hits. Y'All vibe or your school changes. Everyone seems hot and Horny again. It was like four months of pajamas and depression. And then the second sunny out. It's like we're blow off classes and drinking vodka bice exercise bike water bottles y. Because the sun is out it's sixty one degrees and five different girls with different spellings of Kristen Christina Kirstin Chrissy. We'll be laying out in short shorts. What would you say what would you say? Is Your number one college activity like or like. What was your college thing? My college thing like what were you. I didn't know you when you were in college. And after that I was very different I was sort of like I believed college was like Vanua. The movie Van I I was I would like to say I was Van Wilder of My College. But the real answer is. I was trying to be Fan wild or my college which is so much sadder. I wanted that reputation I won the rest beauty pageant and I was proud of it for real. That's really to cosmic. All a renowned colleges have a beauty. It was for charity. I wore for the formal category. Every guys wore. Tux Isn't took it seriously. And I walked out in a thong baby oil. And just a little bowtie and fog and one happens when you go to a Catholic college baby. Oil is the ultimate often baby oil. Protect you from everything. I was a theater major as he said. You're one of the few people that I'm like who I'm friends with. Sorry my wife. She's hearing this Sirius. Xm I'd look at what time it was. You won't believe it. It's eleven fifteen nuts totally. Thought it'd be what day? What's the date today? God Him? It's January again a second time. He should remember the first time he said it was less than an hour ago. Once we train them that shearer any time I get something remotely right. The episode sounds like it's fire to listeners. The idea that you always popping off the date. The crowd loves it. I love the idea that you're catchphrases. Just saying the date at any live show. Yeah confidently guessing the date and then pumping my Judd Nelson at the end of breakfast club. Yeah now here's a question for you when we used to talk about dead dad stuff. You weren't a dad. Yes that's true. Now you're a debt. Yes do you find yourself? I'm dying pattern. I'm telling you once you're living dead. There's only something else. You can be exactly. It's inevitable and it's not a living. I guess technically you can do that. Yeah everyone want thank you but you can't not be at dad anymore. You're started writing thing hard to get out of trust me. My Dad tried. He's not listening for a lot of reasons. But do you find yourself doing anything that your dad did that either annoyed you or that you actually liked and now you find yourself doing it again. Well my dad. My whole family's all construction workers in upstate New York. And they're very supportive of your theater. Politics editor truly they. I was good at school in sixth grade. This is a humblest brag about in sixth grade. My parents went to the award ceremony and I won all the awards and they were terrified because they didn't know that I was good at school until then I was like what the fuck you know. Kids are like twelve in six grade. I've been in five other grades at least so they from that moment on they were like okay. Good good we won't touch you because you seem to be doing something that we don't understand. And then my dad is always doing construction in on the weekends. He was like fixing our house in weird ways. You had a garden that had corn in it which is not a garden vegetable. That's like a cash Crop Castro. But he had like Like do you not want to be with us because you're making corn. You're making corn grow unnecessary. I am another era corn. Just so dad's corn. He grew it outside. There's four years this season. It's a big night tonight at dinner and so only when we he was always like you'd come help me build this thing and definitely me and also my brother. We were both bad at hand stuff with your hands. I don't think I got you this so he would like come. Help me do this thing. And he'd be holed up and I would fuck it up like okay. No that's not how I need you to do it and I'll be like okay. Is this like that's even worse than what you did. A minute ago and then I would do it again. He was throwing the Hammer. And I would somehow fucking go other places go to another place so he was always doing that and he he was he was bad or mean but he was just like. I Dunno euro me one third time if I ask you exactly. You're not a man and I am a man. So what are we have in common? Go to something else and only when we got to be sort of older was he like. Oh this is fun. These people are like me and we have interests in common and we all hang out so what now that. I'M A dad. I'm definitely trying to be. I've two daughters who are three and one so there's not a lot of relating to them yet. Obviously you yelling at them about construction sector plywood over here no wrong with you again. I'm not good at construction so when I mounting. My Home. Plays of my own performance of hold the camera. I need this edition now daughter. What is your name your mother named you. I don't remember a I'm trying to be very much more like in the in the game early involved. Yeah asking questions like I mean. There's not a lot of questions asked now. But you're sort of like you're not doing a lot of things at home where you're like. Just leave me alone. Let me get this done. You're involving them if they're yeah areas or whatever I tell you take them to school in the morning and daycare and all that so. It's very much and I. That's the thing that I don't delay my dad for but it's definitely something that I'm like. Oh I think he regretted that and I know that for a fact because I have a my youngest brother is twelve years younger than me and that kid got to be fucking fathered. Oh that kid father. They made when when my youngest brother Max was like ten made a shield. Would I would have cared for that. Legend of Zelda style shield. My brother was eight years younger than me. And he got fathered so fucking hard faulk. Dad's third try and he's like well this one. Why don't I give him attention hundred percent and it's always happens for the youngest parents go like this the last chance. Let's get it right or like we have no pictures of our first two kids. We can take some of this kid. One of the distinct memories I've had was I and to a lesser degree middle brother. We were never allowed to do anything like it. Costs Money or a moment of distraction from whatever my mom and dad wanted to do it was just not allowed was like can. I go to the moon now all right. I WANNA play Lacrosse. Do they give you the equipment at school? You just have to buy a stick play soccer. I want to play Lacrosse. I was a surfer. Parents wouldn't buy me surfboard. Understandable seventeen year old kid. I'm like this is. My new hobby requires a six hundred dollar ten foot piece of wood to keep in the house and his Long Island as the surfing. Capital of the world fucking solid break ditch plains is one of the best serve sessions on their hands down the east coast. But you're right. It's a three month a year kind of Gig so it's totally make sense of my mom my mom and dad. You WanNa buy me a surfboard. But I had to serve with my friends boards but I. My friends were normal sized humans. I couldn't use any of their boards because I was one hundred pounds heavier than my friends in high school. What are you need to serve full piece of Pie? I had to serve the Best Board. I could get was at ten six Robert August. If you know anything about serving. That's a fucking cream of the crop board now that a lot of surfers here in Philadelphia turns out the temple. Serve team is here. Bill cosby founded us. Wow my favorite tempo Grad but like why did I say but then my youngest brother one day was like went to went surfing. Wants with a friend of. I was using my friend's dad support. I'm asking a fifty year old man. Hey If you're not surfing today can make a kid from my swim. Team asked his dad. Hey if you're not going to serve getting the guy that guy who's hundred bounds every other me that I'm friends with. Can you use your surfboard? Your five hundred dollars or yeah I guess so. So I'd do it. My brother goes serving. Wants WITH HIS FRIENDS. And my dad goes. Everyone's surf more. Just ask Santa Claus for it. My brother's like fifteen. So that's a joke and about the by a surfboard. Can't believe this comes up in therapy on podcasts. If you're losing every episode. I'm pretty sure I've told this story. Plus my fucking guts bothers me so fucking much. I just never had that. It's like I feel like my parents went to my school like Parent Teacher Conference and the teacher was like Oh. He craves attention nonstop at school and he keeps acting up and he wants everyone to pay attention to them. My parents really like. I don't see why that would happen. Never does anything at home. We never see or hear him. Do Anything the guidance counselors I could you. Just give them like a podcasting microphone or paying to really get him. He's a slightly above average intelligence. White Guy he's kind of funny. Here's the thing he could become. One hundred air doing podcasts. Eventually technology doesn't exist but make sure you major in radio because the whole will be dreams. Big enough he could come up pod even if he moves across the country. He'll still come back to Philadelphia to make a couple of hundred bucks. And I WANNA thank you guys here in Philadelphia for coming out too high and mighty live. I cannot believe I made it through this show sort of with my points. Yeah no it was nicely at the top there. Oh it's bad thank thankfully this is the last stop on my tour for a number of reasons but most of I wanNA thank you guys here. Rubel Club I want to thank you guys. The should came out to pay to see this shit live so much appreciation for that. Yeah you guys gave me the confidence that I can go tour on the country saying to bring this shit all around but most of all I want to thank my guest. Justin Tyler. Jt sizzle himself. Yeah host of the Comic Book Club. Podcast check that out on. I tunes checkout Jesus and Mero just as a field producer director for the showtime series. Check that out. Starts February third coming right up and I don't want to sit here and we're good friends aren't the kiss his ass at all but for real at least Google and marrow with Bernie Sanders doesn't shot that sketch with them. And it's fucking awesome. Jesus narrow just keeps showing Bernie expensive sneakers and you see Bernie's reaction to how expensive Jordan Saar Valley. It's very very fun fucking sketch. Check IT OUT. Justin Tyler. Everybody you guys. Gaber is by. Drake's tip. Well I'll see you guys around by Shit Mighty.

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Voting and Civic Engagement

Blackbelt Voices

30:32 min | 4 d ago

Voting and Civic Engagement

"Today on BLACKBUTT VOICES, we're talking to founder of a nonprofit that works to build political power among black voters in end voter suppression. My name is Charlene Oliver I'm the CO founder and CO Executive Director the Equity Alliance in Nashville Tennessee in two thousand, Sixteen Charlene. Oliver and a group of friends set in a Chili's in pitched in a few hundred dollars in a lot of time to form the Equity Alliance, which is now a million dollar organization that has helped thousands. You're listening to black belt voices podcast probably getting the richness of black seven culture by telling stories from and about black folks in south. Thanks for listening to episode fifteen of black belt voices I'm Carolyn Wilkins and I am Dina. Why? Kara the you remember what it was that made. You really want to be active and engaged in politics or has it always been something that you've had it? You know I remember what it was. And College I had. I was really upset about the second Gulf War and I understand why we were going to war. You know at that time to find Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction or whatever it was. And that is what led me vote in? It also led me to do other things like a cam base for you know political candidates and donate in, go out Matt Community and talk about why it's important about what about you without being Mongo's at far back I wasn't as tune in. I was always interested in voting in I was excited to vote and everything like that. But I wasn't really. That political yet but I think, what made me want to do? Something was Two Thousand Fifteen Window Charleston Shooting happened when when the KNOBS were killed by white supremacists in that church. the act itself was horrendous but in also the aftermath really got under my skin because. The response to nine black people being killed in a church by a racist was to the confederate flag. That, it wasn't that linear but but it was that was a by product of that. That's what that's how conversation got started. For our guest today, it happened after she had her first child two days after he was born Trayvon, Martin was killed. I saw my son's life through Trayvon's in the sense of. Black boys out here being endangered species like we if is hunting things and all black boys and girls and That really was my political. That was my like. A Ha moment that is not enough to be working in the nonprofit industry. In you know servants soup kitchens and handing out backpacks than you know, feeding the homeless and doing all those things that still manner. But to me, it was more about shady versus justice inside really saw Trayvon's death in the through the Lens of Justice Trayvon didn't get justice and unfortunately they were several more after trayvon including Mike Brown Eric Garner though Casteel Sandra Bland. You also have the flint water crisis and shooting of the Non worshippers in Charleston South Carolina as I just mentioned and I'm sure like many of us you know she started searching for. Of how she could help or help stop what was happening. She knew she wanted to do more and be more involved associate thought about you know doing something like running for office or going to law school. She ended up finding a black woman who was running for school board and volunteered to be the communications director for that women's campaign. Her name is Kristen bug we didn't know it was doing. But, we have our talent we had energy we have passionate and we were up against an opponent who was backed by charter school movement's all across the country. She had a lot of money Hornets her campaign we didn't throw this campaign. I saw a lot of things that did not sit well with me with earth number one being told that you're too young to run and it's not your turn you need to sit down somewhere like. I've been told that my whole career that I don't know anything because I'm too young remember that's like a trigger for me. So I didn't like that and so that that made us go even harder like we had something to prove. The second thing is it was almost like a David versus Goliath situation because we didn't have all this money they're her opponent is so they have money to run ads and do all kinds of stuff pay for people on their campaign we worked for free in this campaign. Got Some help from season strategist who were white. And though season strategist who do this all the time? This is Dan from campaigning in the housing projects which are populated by mostly black people. And that's actually normal to hear from a political strategists oftentimes, they'll tell you they don't want to invest the money into communities of color because they aren't as likely to vote in a school board election. And that was something that didn't sit well with Charlene because black people were being ignored. So that drove them to try harder. And it paid off they ended up winning by landslide. We dust the brakes off opponents we wanted to the one. Like when I mean to the one, like we had double the votes that her appointing. So we were marseils is this summer of two, thousand sixteen. So we were like, okay. Well, we're going to do next like miss this keep this team going, but we kept in contact and it's election season two, thousand, sixteen. So we were all feeling like, okay this is not going. This is not looking good and. I went to go work on some other campaigns and. By November. Trump gets elected. Yeah. I remember November twenty. Sixteen. What was your a light? On my Gosh I remember staying up really late and you know when things are going south when when the election was called I remember going outside and yelling obscenities into the darkness Beria sleep at night. And answer the next day actually walk up until workout class of her someone saying she was glad trump won and dennis it will meet there but didn't at work you know There are a lot of people who are just as just as disappointed as as I was so. It needs to be around people who kind of felt. The same as you did but not everyone had experienced how how about you? Yeah I had the opposite and I had been very vocal that was voting for Hillary Clinton I. Mean I had a like Hillary, twenty? Sixteen Hillary Kain shirt like guy with very open about the fact that that was my preferred candidate in though I dreaded going back to work the next day in much like Charlaine how I worked in a super conservative environment with A lot of people who I. Think really resonated with trump's values and it was tough. It's I had to go to work. On November knife the day at the election with all these people who voted for trump who I know voted for trump and so that did not sit well with me in this like Y'all does bubble that you live in and you don't see anything wrong with voted for him so. Had to do something sitex girl that worked on the campaign with me Christian takes texted Tequila I texted Araya Orlando. In Washington all of us worked on campaign and. I. Said, I got an idea. So, at the time Charlene worked at the Williamson County Chamber of Commerce in Franklin Tennessee. that's actually how I met Charlene because I work for a chamber in. Conway Arkansas. So our chambers, La Times Day benchmark, each other cities, and learn about best practices and all those things. So Charlotte and our parents up because we the same roles at our jobs and her job she was in middle management so she had experienced in you know. Building Political Action Committees and so that allowed her that helped have the idea to do it for black people. So she presented idea that idea and it was a three hour meeting and he was very productive. Yeah. Enduring a three hour meeting Atta Chili's I might add. There you go. They talked fixing the things that they saw a wrong with the status quo like ignoring people who vote in housing projects they started to organizations that night. The power of ten pack in the Equity Alliance several of them putting two hundred, fifty dollars to startup that. Dollars has now blossomed into a million dollar organization in less than three years. So I am just like over the multi say that like what? I gotTa really. You Know I. Just. Like not me not me personally but I fund raised. A million dollars organization so That's death power and that it also speaks to the community support because I I. You know. Initial donation is still to this day a majority our donations come from the people they come from someone dollar individual donations, people who give one hundred dollars, twenty dollars fifteen you know that kind of investment goes a long way with us and we'd that we did this work off of one hundred percent volunteer support. Up until last year when I quit my job, the Equity Alliance goes into communities, to build trust. Those in the community who have the most influence are the respected uncles and the and the Grand Mama's. That first year. Day they were busy. They had twenty four events we wanted to stop. The politics as usual, which says, okay, two weeks before an election we're GONNA see you wave your hand at our church and we never see you again politician we wanted to stop that in. So that's why we do year round civic engagement. We're in the community whether there's an election or not because there's always issues out here that need to be rallied around that need to be voted upon is an election every year. So we're always organizing and we're trying to build that trust with people who in the conversation does start with are you voting Are you registered to vote is about? What do you care about? What are you it? What are you doing away right now because I can guarantee you nine times out of ten. It is you're dealing with whether it is right now virtual learning. You'll keep the stress you out all right now or you do not show job because we had a pandemic or. Trump paying his taxes but you are you, you know what I'm saying everything has a policy attached to it. In. So we can probably trace that back to some policy maker in a law that has to get voted upon by the people if so that's what we start. We start just talking about the issues that impact people and like we talked about in our last episode, everything is attached to public policy, and that's why they meet people where they are whether it's the church house or the clubhouse. It's important to talk to people about what their immediate needs are and to speak the language that resonates with them to make them WanNa vote. A great example is on twitter I think that there's a video in a Hashtag training that says, get your ass to the polls in it features strippers dancing on the poll that is a very different approach from those strategists who told them to stay out of the projects but I'm pretty sure it's effective for the target audience who they want to go to the false right. So it worked sherline told us that voting is just one tool. In the toolbox of staying engaged the real game happens after election day was that candidate is in, is an office in our candidate may win. They may not we godless if especially, if I candidate doesn't win in, it's not our favorite person time we have to be paying attention because they don't have our best interests at heart we might have to fight some stuff off. We have to show up in the streets we might have to protest. Sharp at your office, we have to be showing up. That's another thing why that's one thing that. We don't do as well as former congressional staffer. I worked for a Congressman Cooper and after say We have lifestyles don't show up as much as we should we can. You can meet with your congressman. You can meet with Your City Council person in your school board member that work for you. So we have to be showing up to city council meetings in school board meetings. When the mayor's having a press conference, we have to be showing up because again, going back to that repetitive repetitive cycle of the people who are speaking up gets. Gets Fed in donate it doesn't have to take a lot. I know for me for a long time at I if I wasn't donating large amount, then it wasn't worth it. But as we know candidates like Barack Obama won an awful small dollar donations one speaking to people by saying no matter where you have a dollar five, ten, one, hundred, give what you can, and in that one dollar is that hope that you have. if so it does add up. We'll be right back after this break. Hey, black male voices, listeners. We invite you to check out a new podcast about an incredibly close presidential election, the result of which continues to echo our country today. The Sixty podcast tells the story of John F Kennedy's razor thin victory and nineteen sixty by just two tenths of one percent. Sixty twenty also looks at how the evolving civil rights movement affected the election and how JFK work to win over black voters who are skeptical of his commitment to civil rights. 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In his presence, I could not write a word. So that was an stands out. In my mom, but I ended up. With a decent story Al. Green. annouce to the world that he had. Founded. This church goes the story was on Wanted Minna do will know what is happened without Wayne in the year since the grits against heads. And And I got I kinda got. Scoop. And that led to make it the job Alfred heavily so that one. Is always close. Mahar. Now I became friends. And normans became a skilled interviewer. Her personality puts her subjects at ease subjects that include Barack and Michelle. Obama then Zell Washington Alicia Keys Steve Harvey. Will Smith. Tina Turner interview repeatedly L. Greene. Beyond say Whitney Queen Latifah interview press more than one. Ten stands out in my mind and in my heart because the album was small town in Tennessee she swam was small town in Tennessee so she not just connected right off the bat. And I remember her telling me how? She knew. Gone up on a farm that that was not the life of her she knew she'd Wiscon-. No have a different life. Well. I never. About I would. Stay on the farm either in the in the small town So I, really could relate to ten. We always had a a very good connection and then that was beyond say who was like fifteen when I started interviewing her before she? She hit it big and she I always connected I connected with her mother. but the say and then various interviews with with Whitney Houston. So I could go on and on though stand out in my mind right away a lot and has changed in the business and she began her career at the Commercial Appeal in Memphis, and of course Miss Norma has adapted to the times she has an impressive list of skills. But she misses days a slower pace in more accurate an indepth reporting. US. Started while we were still on select your writers and we had. The Best of the best. That was wonderful. I. Remember when we first got computers. And from there onto, you know the state of the art computers and and doing everything going from doing everything manually to everything in a using technology. Thing that. I do regret. About the evolution of the media and it was inevitable that that was gonna be Neville. Is that print media does not seem to be value now as it was. A one time 'cause it was. The Golden Rod of. Media and their people began to rely more heavily on. Other ways to get their information to get the news. Newspapers have to elite taken a hit. You know I started my career newspaper who had memphis, and now I write a column for the commercial where I started. Years ago. So that has come full circle for May but because. The newspaper now is not. that. Heavy, inflammation packed. Product that I. That when I was growing up, you know a glove reading the commercial appeal. So. A candidate Kinda tells at my heart because my heart is at lighting. Miss Norm. It was born to third child in a family of nine to Alex and Esther. Norman her father taught her and her sisters to have a strong work ethic and to be confident that they could achieve whatever they set their minds to, and I was raised by a strong father. anyways house blue girls. and My mother died when when I was very young. So he was certainly the main influence in my life and then our lives and he raised us to. Do and be whatever. We want it to being. He made us feel like we could accomplish anything and everything that we wanted to one thing that I learned quickly. Is. To help confidence in myself. Imagine this Dema sister just this morning. How shag longer? She said you shot. Remember our shot. She said, no, I don't remember you ever being shot but at was. As a young person and as as started my career but I soon learned that you'd have to put that behind you and move on and that so that for my advice would be would be to have confidence in your cells and your ability. 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Episode 174: Sharing Our Stories

AA Beyond Belief

1:03:04 hr | 4 months ago

Episode 174: Sharing Our Stories

"AAA beyond belief is a podcast by foreign about people who have found a secular path to sobriety and alcoholics anonymous. Hello and welcome to another Friday night livestream. I am in my happy place right now. I have a microphone in front of me and I'm speaking with my friend Angela. And Today is going to be light and easy. It's just going to be a discussion about. Talks that we've given a our experiences doing that. Some maybe some tips and suggestions. Different things along those lines and. I've certainly had some embarrassing moments speaking in alcoholics. And, then I had some successes as well but It would be fun to hear your experiences that you've had when you've got out to speak Because crazy things happen in a as we all know. Yes, yes definitely. I did want to address. Some. Serious thing before we get started next week I A. I chatted are willow. hopefully will be able to join us. Because I think we should do a topic on having difficult conversations in recovery. You know so like a says that it it you know has no opinion on outside issues. which you know, that's fine right now. I can say personally for me. That I'm having difficulty. In? Wrapping my mind around working with my own. Complicity and systemic racial inequality and in that I'm finding that rather than processing my own guilt. Which I kind define as that you know if you have some choices. I didn't make great. One and so I need to process. You know how I can do better next time. but I'm being hijacked by shame come. You know shame and shame. As more of the you know, I'm an awful human being. It's in my DNA and so then I can't move onto looking at things when I'm high jacked by shame, and and so yes, I think that some of us are looking at this and processing it. would like to have a conversation about how we're doing that in our recovery, because I'm seeing some people get really frozen I guess, and and too afraid to look at some of these things are have difficult conversations with their families and friends because they're afraid that the shame will cause them to drink, and so you know how. How do we as people who are recovered or have some sobriety work with? You know really difficult conversations in recovery so Yeah, so that's what I would like to do next week, but this week I'm excited about about. Stories because that's that's an important thing within within a and. Know the other. Two I just realized how that sounded. But know stories is is how we relate to each other. You know I think it's the real. The real. Secret sauce in a you know because some people are like well. It's the meetings well without people sharing their stories in their experience. You know home Yeah, we wouldn't. We wouldn't meet with them. you know we just all look at each other or whatever it's? It's the story that helps us connect to another. Alcoholic or another person in recovery, so yeah, that's that's I agree that stories are are everything to me. and it wasn't always that way. There was a time when I hated speaker meetings, but now thou they're my favorite type of meeting actually and I think the difficult conversations will be a really good podcasts I mean. There there we have. We have a problem in Aa to when it comes to race. You know got What is it like? Two percent of the population and alcoholics anonymous is African American, and that's like compared to what like eighteen percent of the population is African American and it's actually a lower percentage and Aa than it is an a and there's something about Aa. That is an obstacle there I. Think and it's something that's worth looking at and I have certainly seen examples of realism, alcoholics, anonymous and. Blatant racism so. Yeah! This this is a good time to. Talk about that and Friday, which would be June. Eighteenth is a is a good day to do that. Thinking about what we're talking about today is sharing. Our stories are personal stories, and and this at a meeting Speaker meetings, etc.. and. I, think somebody in the in the facebook group had made some comment I. Don't quite recall what it was with. experienced. and. The I i. read it as they didn't want us to say that, but but you know. My thing is one you know. Don't boss me. I'm, too. You Know I. DO somewhat agree because you know when I was first, asked to to share at a speaker meeting You know I was terrified of you know like how do you do that? I I've seen other people do that, but you know there's not like directions on how to do that and and people would say you know just be yourself which is not a good a good advice for me because I'm just a Weirdo. But share your experience strengthen, and that's still even you know pretty general. It's like well. How do I do that? What does that mean so so yeah, so people have asked me over the last few years how to do it and and we can talk a little bit about about my thoughts on setting up a little outlined to help you stay on task and such If that's your goal is to share your experience. Strengthen hope. He venture that he he. Doesn't think that we need to stick to that formula of what it was like what happened. What? What is like now and and he's right I mean that's an easy thing to fall back on, because it's a nice little easy formula, so if you haven't you know really. prepared anything or what you're, GonNa talk about. That's always a good good good way to go, but heck yesterday I spoke at the beyond belief group, a zoom meeting and what I did with that is I wanted to share something about something that I've learned recently. And recently I got the certification for smart recovery, and while I was doing that like with everything is kind of making fun of myself really, but like with every kind of recovery. Program! That's out there I always compare it to a I always see a in it I see the twelve steps, and like everything and smart recovery I could see that the an twelve steps and their program you know, and so I was talking about that I was going through their four points, and then I was talking about how I could relate to. Those doesn't Aa person, and it was kind of a different different. Take on things, but you know sometimes I'll do. I'll do something like that, too just to get away from the standard. Formula, but there's nothing wrong with the. You know what it was like what happened when it's like now right and you know I'm people can can look at it at different ways. There's no right ray to share your story, but I think a lot of us would admit that we've. We've been to some speaker meetings where we're like okay. That's forty five minutes of my life. I'm never going to get back and you know in, don't you? I don't even agree with you know you shouldn't share drunk logs or anything like that. Because some of those things are are interesting. But you know for the whole format. That's not very helpful, so that's why I kind of do it a general outline. When when I'm speaking you know to be able to stay on task, because otherwise you know. I don't know that I'm I'm doing what I I am. Therefore you know. Why am I there? You know it's share, you know and help somebody hopefully not feel as alone or you know to see that. Yeah, there's someone in recovery who has a similar experience then trying to stay on, you know some sort of a thing on what what I did and you know. Why did I do it? You know. Why am I, even in a? So yeah, so I I do. Have Somewhat of an outline of You know staying on task because otherwise I. I mean you guys who listen to this now that will I'm. GonNa Bring you into this to John that Bulls John and I can get off on tangents really easily. And and so so yeah, fortunately with you know this podcast, we can then get back on task week. If we need to or fix another, you know, find another day to talk about you know something, but in a speaker meeting You know that's not the case so having having something that will remind me to stay on task. Of sharing my experience strength and hope of sharing what it was like what happened ended one. It's like now. Gives the full story of you know of my experience, thus far and I remember when I was knew that I liked the speaker meetings because it gave you know the full story that you could see. Somebody would identify and or is I. Think they used to say qualify the beginning part of it? You know what it was like the qualifying you know. Tell us what kind of drinker they were like where they you know a party or were they? Literally drinking in their closets. That kind of stuff. I don't think that you have to say you know how much you drink or for how long I don't think any of that's important. I think that you know getting into. You know what what happened to you when you drink. is really the important part of what people are relating to. You know so so yeah, so I try to try to do that and. So that so that people have an idea of what might drinking was like and. And then I usually you know, go into well. Let's hear what you what you do. I treated with the guys thinking about Angela. When you're talking about having a little outline, that is really smart. One thing you should not do though is right out like a six page speech and it to the audience right I. Did that once I? Did that at a live and let live group shortly after I came out publicly in a as an atheist, and it was basically an atheist manifesto of revolution. There was a guy that actually walked out on me and I, do not blame him at all. That was really really bad talk. If I had just a little outline, that would have been natural. Joseph talk was a ahead. Joe Is such a Nice Guy, but of course now he would. He say if it was if it wasn't what he told me I was bombed. I'll take it. A lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. It was a nice group. It was a lot of fun. You know that, group. TORONTO beyond. Belief Group I've I've been to the actual meaning there in Toronto back when we had the convention there, and that was a lot of fun, and it was great to see everybody, and now they're having the zoom meetings and zoom meetings are real popular, so they get people from all over the world going to their meetings to where it's like not even the Toronto meeting anymore so now they're actually having little meetings on their. So that the group can kind of get together, and now they're having, and they also had the same time these greater meetings where people from all overcome and you know it's going to be. You know I'm sure that the zoom meetings are going to stick around even after this pandemic. And it's really cool that he would invite someone to come and speak at that meeting. That was that was a a good idea and I. Think I'm going to do that for the Kansas City. suggests that Park Kansas City Group, too, but but yeah I'm a little outline is good. Just don't write a manifesto and. Yeah no not not very helpful. I also say watch your high. Baresi moments that I ever had I was probably sober. Not even six months maybe I. Don't know maybe a little bit more than that. I don't know and I went. Speak somewhere with people who had decades of sobriety, right? And I was the first to speak. And for whatever damn reason I decided, tell my entire life story from the time I was born up into that moment and I I took up every I took all the time. The other people have no chance to talk I was I couldn't believe it. I was so embarrassed, but then what was really funny though I, didn't even know it, but out in the audience was a neighbor of mine, and she didn't know I was in a and she heard my entire life story, and it was kind of. It's kind of cool. Because she was there with her daughter, who was having a hard time. It turns out that that I became friends with with them, and was kind of you know helping her daughter along a little bit. So it's kind of funny. How that worked out? But yes, it was very embarrassing when the when the people with all the sobriety didn't get a chance to talk while the newcomer was. Right. Yeah kind kinda like in A. In a meeting where you recognize milestones and you know the person with thirty days has all the answers to recovery. And the person with you know twenty years you know. Has You know two minutes and? It makes me laugh, but I will say though what's funny. Now is I'm lucky if I can speak for fifteen minutes. The way that I do it is. You know. Use The the middle section of mytalk I do divided into into three so that I again staying on task who my is. At as Doing the steps you know. Do the steps and that's what I find people both in secular recovery and and really outside secular recovery. Find Interesting and helpful. So like on on the a beyond belief website. The talk that I gave their and I'm was not to a secular group it was it was not to a group that even you know. is one that I would attend on a regular basis. It was for a group where it was mostly. What we refer to in Idaho is green cards. people who are assigned to go to a by the court so like over half the people there you know were only there to get their card signed, and then the other. Were you know a lot of people that that you know are kind of the all stars of that kind of? They've got two or three years sobriety, and so they know they know what's happening. I'm so definitely was not a group that that, would normally you? Identify with an atheist in recovery, and so and yet you know it went really well. Yeah, they were receptive I. You know and that's that's another reason why I kind of try to try to get. Get a little plan in place of What I'm going to say so that so that I can make sure that I'm addressing all the points in recovery, better, universal and and then show how you know me. Doing the secular steps is really not that different. That's Ron. Seem. Did a good job with that. You were very respectful, and that's the that's the thing is you got to know your audience when it comes to? You're going to speak as an atheist and you had a traditional meeting. Or a secular whatever it's. It's you know like what you did is just kind of. Some understanding that some of the most innocent things that to us to say could be shocking to someone else to here, and so I also try to find some common ground to because there is a lot of common ground probably more so than the not I mean we have way more in common with each other than than we the night. I honestly think our experiences pretty much. Identical with a believers is just the way that we express it. That's the only thing that's different. I think in my opinion. And a Lotta people. They've never heard that before I did something similar I. Spoke at the Liberty Group, for the alcohol a couple years ago and I think it was probably the first time that that group ever had someone that was an atheist. Speak and it went. It went just great. I was I did I talked about How I work my program as a secular person and talked a little bit about our group, and so forth and. Yeah it was great. It was a it was a good time I got to meet some nice people there so cool. Yeah, yeah, one of the things I. Try to get in there I. Don't remember if I did on that one but when I speak to to traditional. Audiences! People members. Is Is You know what it felt like? You know in the meetings. You know so so what are the things that were difficult for me? You know but chairman a respectable way. And and then what are the things that were helpful? You know what did so for me like people coming up to me after the meeting and sharing the you know, their higher power is. Is this or their higher power is something on their dashboard or whatever I I've heard all sorts of crazy things, but what was important as that in that is that they did care enough to come and share with me that not everybody is the same, not everybody does the God thing, and even those that do God thing. Don't all do it the same van, so it was the some of those little pieces that helped me I don't know if it helped me feel included, but it helped. Keep that voice. You know in the back of my head. That's. That's like you did not fit in here. You're not going to be able to stay sober in a because, you're an atheist. You know Blah, Blah Blah, you know it helps keep that afer while as I was working the steps and in so I try to share stuff like that so that people who may be all in the traditional will have an idea of what might be helpful to you know a newcomer that walks in. You know rather than just telling him you know. Get a book. Get a sponsor. Get God and you know. Shut up that. Were it didn't work out so well. No I don't I don't think. In the in the meetings here haven't read your manifesto to anybody. I mean we'll in the beginning. I I was very own. At times rude. I'm but but. Yeah the community here. Has Been Fine with. On on my sobriety anniversary I try to hit the meetings that I attended most in my early recovery. That I may not attend now, and yeah, and I hear stories of that I I was very angry and and the yeah. Somebody suggested a higher power. The. DOORKNOB and I just went off and It does make it funnier that it was in a church. that. Yeah, expletives, everything, and on the higher power doorknob thing Story is so different than me because you came in from the beginning. I'm an I'm not buying this. I was like ooh. So! We'll try to try that. Yeah, no, I mean I was I was down down out but you know I was, I think there is part of me that was. You know really challenging them like you know. Can you help me? Because I'm an atheist, and that's not GonNa Change. There's very little that I could think of that would cause me to change my beliefs, because at one time I was going to be a minister, so I have studied. Religion and you know theory and history, and so yeah so I really didn't know if a a would be Be Able to to help me. You know and yeah, and so so the journey some of them are. Challenge Let's see it's funny because I never worried that I could see that I couldn't stay sober because as an atheist. I just didn't think I'd be welcomed. That was my experience. Me! Twenty five years before I came out as an atheist and I was totally comfortable with it. I said Oh. Yeah I, get this. This is easy to you know it might. My sobriety is based on what I do is very practical. While the law. The steps I crossed the stuff out I'm fine, but I really wasn't welcomed to say that kind of stuff. Yeah, it was yeah, it was I. don't know if. It's. It was that I didn't think that I could Get Sober as an atheist might think it's get sober in a as an atheist because there wasn't anything else in my area in. I tried I looked. I looked for you. Know, save ourselves. I looked for rational recovery. And I didn't. didn't have any of that stuff, so tell me this going back to speaking. Have you ever spoken somewhere before? And you had people in the audience that were kind of distracting you. They were rolling their eyes or they were A. No I don't I. Don't think that I have I think the one that's recorded that you have on. The website would be the closest because you know people you know are looking at their phones and you know interviewing. And going in and out because they don't actually want to be there. And, so yeah, so there's some of that, but you know I knew that that wasn't about me and a and you know I kept my sights on people who were paying attention You know and the person who asked me to come and speak in the first place. And so that kept me kept me on track, and I knew that their stuff. You know really wasn't about me at all. And so again I tried to keep on. What why what am I doing here? You know what's the purpose of me being here and and that helps me to. Distract you because sometimes you'll see an expression and you think it's I. Think it's about me that the guy is and as you usually not, but I've had a lot of experiences like that were Kinda. Bizarre I mean one time I was speaking and somebody threw up. That was that was disrupted. Yeah. And then the CEO Group which I love and I speak their. Every Christmas for their Akhavan and one time. I the first time I think I spoke there. It was like four o'clock in the morning. Some really odd ball time, and there's just two people in the. At one guy left. It was just me and one guy. But you know what I did with that one I recorded it and turn it into a podcast. But one of one of the people in our in our chat room. She said that it would drive. It would make very nervous to record her talk and I can. I can understand that, but if you can get over that, I think it's I think it's really helpful. I like to have a library of secular speakers, and and to build that up because there are so many talks out there, go to youtube and look up a speaker, and you find all kinds of Joe and Charlie's and bill and Bob's and so forth. But very few atheist, but we're starting to build that library up and I would love to see more of it, so people could record their stories and Senate. A beyond belief will put on our youtube channel, and it just makes it makes available, which is which which I'd like, but you know it's not for everybody. Not Everybody feels comfortable recording their story, and that's fine, but if you are I think it's a good idea. And in that, that's the biggest thing that I've got from. Having mine on your website is that. You know it's the first time that some people have heard of an atheist do. Steps in a row. And and you know, and some of them have felt similarly to. You know what I share. I felt and stuff, but you know It's renewed their hope of staying sober, either in a or just you know kind of reinvigorated. The program from for them, because I phrased things in a different way, and and so you know that that helps them to be able to think of different ways, so kind of like with you and smart recovery. You know that that you look at it and you see different parts of a in it, but you know it's. It's framed in a different way, and so now it gives. Gives you the ability to help other people who are looking to recover or who have substance abuse issues or use issues and and now you have multiple things you can do to help them different ways of phrasing, things and and so i. think that's that's really important, and that's the main reason why I did I. Tell You that when you published it I was horrified. When it first came out, I seriously was I I listened to it, and all I could hear where the domes and my stammering, and you know all of that stuff, and and it was yeah. It took a lot for me to not ask you to take it down. That's a very popular recording we got. List. It's no, I'm learning. This is kind of nerdy talk about editing podcasts, but at one time I used to delete every single on and off sometimes I will now, but especially in a talk it gives it more of a dramatic effect. It gives it more of a realistic feel I guess so I try to I try to leave him in. So that's why you had so many ause. Also takes. To delete 'em all. Right yeah, it's funny. How people talk the people do talk an awful lot. And so I don't i. don't hear it when other people talk as. You know when I tried to listen to myself I. I yeah it. It doesn't doesn't work very well because. I I concentrate on on those things, so I just now just put stuff out there and somebody gets something out of at grade, and if they don't then, that's okay, too. So yeah, but that's that's kind of how I generally do that to You know I do kind of a an outline do. Take. the the some framework of experienced strengthen hope or would it used to be like what happened in what it's like now and and then I tried to break it up with the what happened. Try to make that kind of the larger section, because that's what most people are interested in hearing at least for me, is how to do the steps in a secular way or how? I did the steps in a secular way, and was able to to stay sober without God and then you know I say at the end you know what it's like now you. What's my quality of life like? You know and what's what's changed and what's important to me now and you probably have more of that now than you used to. I mean this is kind of is pointing out here. She says that she leaves more time in her discussion for questions. She cuts her drunk log to like maybe five minutes of the talk and I'm finding myself doing the same thing because. For me like I if I give my if I give my if I tell my story today I'm I feel like I'm talking about ancient history and it's like I. Just it just doesn't. It just feels weird to me to do that, so it's like, and and and you know you when you remember. Something happened like thirty years ago. You start to wonder. Is that really the way? I just preferred. Keep it keep most of it like within the actual time that we're living in because I was a different person back then and yes, that's I think that that was my story. I'm sure. But you know it's kind of an yeah. People don't I. DO think it's important to you know. Yeah, do a little bit in the. They called it qualifying, but I remember for me that. I would see people get up and they would. Often be you know dressed reasonably well here and and see I. Don't know that there are any that were you know? Suit up show up kind of things. I only learned about that from Joe last year. That, they literally put sued off suits on but you know they. They look good like they have their stuff together, and so you know without them sharing at least part of you know what what brought them to a I. Don't know that I'd identify with them, and so that was helpful to me to see that you know. They had a life similar to minor to how I was feeling all of that kind of stuff, and then they did something, and then their life is more of what they want it to be now. And so I needed the full saying and and so that I thought that that's how I thought the speaker meetings were often more helpful than some of the individual meetings because I only get like a five minute thing from somebody you know, and often it was you know how they do it now? And usually giving it over a gun, and and so it was more helpful to me to go to the speaker, and see the full full experience, and then I felt like okay. Maybe maybe I can do this because. I could see that this person did have some similarities I've heard anybody else. Talk about peeing their pants and public at two am in downtown Boise and then rolling in sprinklers to try to make it look like I passed out instead of that I peed. My Pants but. You know people talking about you know Yeah, crashing on people's couches, and you know things like that I could relate to and and It was important in order for me to to take the rest of it seriously otherwise, it just looked like upstanding citizens pay. Improving your life, which was great. Everyone should do that, so I've opened the phones by the way, so if you'd like to call in and share your experience with speaking or tips that you might have embarrassing moments, funny moments, you may have had one thing I wanted to mention. A James is from north of Boston. He said that a is loaded with speaker meetings and he. He likes those other of over other types. I like a in new. England I got to know some people in in outside of Boston and Southern Massachusetts, who explained to me what the culture was like there, and this is back in the nineteen ninety S, and they were really big on I. Think they call them commitments. I'm not sure but what they would do is. is groups of them would go to another town because a new England all these towns are pretty close together, not like in Idaho where you have to drive for, or he's nothing, but yeah, you got all these little towns all over the place, and they'd all get together and they'd go, and that was a big part of their of their meetings. was doing doing that kind. Kind of thing and I think that's kind of cool. I. I really liked the meetings in New England I. Don't know if they're still that the way they are now's. They were in the nineties, but back in the nineties they used to be like The meetings up there were like an hour and a half also and they'd always have like little breaks, you know. So, anyway I, like New England I liked the meetings up there, so when James wrote that it just kind of reminded me of my visit up there in the nineteen ninety s, and how much I enjoyed that we got a caller. Hello how are you? Very well class very okay. Second time caller. I. Ain't. Very well high end. I just just dog my. My memory from something when you mentioned Charlie and bill and Bob, the paint, and and all that and that I watch your joy and appreciate when you put. Women are figures on the PODCASTS or So anyway I I guess. I like hearing more women, yeah. Shortage of IT, for sure isn't there. Well. I. Don't think you're shortage women. Around. When I. Share my story. give forget. A women's feeding them work. For. Her back. No, you're on you. Yes, yes, that'd that's really important to know your. Yes, yes. Yeah, you speak different if you're. Yeah yeah well, thank you. Thank you that really all I'm going. Listen to you and I really didn't mean to interrupt your. That's that's. Enough that my mother. From women are are different people so yeah. Yeah thank you. Yeah I. Like to have a variety to Oh, she reminded me something and I. I forgot what I was reminded me up, but that's okay. Mic I might think of might think of it later, but One thing we should mention is is that there are apps that you can download to your phone? To record your story, so you don't have to like speak. Adas Speaker meeting that has like you know the big Mike Upfront or anything like that. You know if that's something but yeah, so from me I use an Android, and so I went to Google play downloaded the APP easy voice recorder, and there's like a free version and pro, and of course I had used the free version for the one that that is on the website and so it worked just fine with the pro version you can you know? I guess set some editing type things or Other stuff, but but I know from the version I used that it was really simple, really easy that I could do some like noise suppression because I knew it was going to be a speaker meeting and so I knew there'd be background, noise and stuff and Yeah, it's it's pretty easy and I believe. who was it that used their iphone to record. There's very young. Johnny honest. Excellent right? Yeah, so I'm so I'd recommend that. Who you know would like to share, and you know particularly women, or you know people of Color or black people, or you know any of that that that's one way that that you can do it is is by downloading those APPs. And and the technology is just amazing and and I are fearful of it, but now I mean for work to do things that I wouldn't do before and when it would a couple of times. It's like it's not that hard. We're. All right I'M GONNA, get off the here on can't. Talk to you. I'm looking forward to hearing Cathy story so hope you get that recorded this week Kathy, so I can hear it. If anybody's in Santa Barbara California. When are they gonNA start meeting in person again I don't know I. Don't know when we're going to be the person here in Kansas. City I it might be a very long time. I know that there are meetings and Boise that are meeting in person now I don't attend any of those meetings and it's. It's not something that I'll be doing in the near future possibly depending on you know how this month goes. I might be up for you know small groups in people's yard. You know small group setting instead, but His group is starting to do that. They're meeting at the park at a at one of our parks outside, and they're going to wear a mask. Keep. There's social distance and so forth and I'm not gonNA. Join them I'm afraid, but yeah. They're doing that I. don't I still not comfortable doing it. Being out there like that, but right. Yeah, so, but in our plan. That's you know they're okay to do that now. And so so that's happening and and so they they do exist. But for our personal group, you know we meet at the UNITARIAN fellowship, and they're you know very much into into the science, and so they're not opening in up or groups right now, so Yeah, so we'll, we'll wait. On them and then I'm guessing our group will probably divide into those who feel that they're comfortable doing that. And then those who are gonNA stick with the online and and we are planning at least at this point to continue our Thursday needing as an online meeting, so that I'm people have that option who found us and and and don't have a secular meeting near them and speaking of speaking of Speaker meetings. Soon meeting in speaker beatings. When James made his comment, he reminded me of when I was nude a back in the late eighties early nineties, we had and Kansas City more speaker meetings than we have. Now we have hardly any now, but back then we had like one meeting that was just huge where you'd have over a hundred people, which was big for us and a meeting, and it was held on Sundays in the morning, and it was Al at a hotel and people used to actually kind of dress up nice to go to the meeting, and then you'd go socialize afterwards. It was kind of a big. Big Deal so people from all the different groups would get together in that one place to go to that speaker meaning. And then there was another popular meeting where it was just kind of like a little social event. You go to the meeting. You have coffee and cookies afterwards was really nice, but we don't have very many of those left anymore. Now you have a few groups who will invite someone over to speak, but not like we used to have and I do kind of miss that that was kind of a nice way just to get to meet people from other groups even. It sounds kind of like the fight club version of. Trolls to have meetings, or there's a bunch of different groups in. One area into divided into smaller groups. Discussions, you know one of the speaker meetings. It was like one of the oldest meetings in Kansas. City is started back in the forties, and it was strictly speaker meeting, and no longer meets which which is really sad, but it was like for whatever reason they lost their appeal So I duNno society. Changes are world changes. Lisa Lisa did around around. Here I was GonNa, ask you Angela We're talking about the format about you know the traditional format. What happened was like well that format how we gotTA. So, what other kind of formats would you suggest because I've got some ideas I wonder if you have any. I don't 'cause most of them a most people who've asked me about it. It's their new to you know it's their first time. Yeah, and so and so I try to give them something that will. Help them. Put their nerves Eddie's. And that if they are this when they're up there in, get flustered that they can go back to pretty easily. so I guess you. If you're asked to speak at a specific kind of meeting than you know you would rephrase or are. Do different kind of format so like I was really hoping if the destroy thing had happened in which I guess, they're doing an online thing now or whatever, but I was really hoping I. I'd be asked to speak on like a third step panel in on some sort of panel that has nothing to do with you know secular, agnostic, or whatever, and then share my experience of you know a how I how I work the third step, and in so that would be a different format. You know in a different way of sharing my story of Yeah to or if it's like at a conference, and they have a certain theme or something I I imagine i. would you know kind of? Think about that and and pick stories or experiences, regarding that that aim sell I'll just started doing that over the last couple of years. I've started diamond steady. Just doing the traditional my story of what it was like what happened what it's like now. John H things about. Anyway. So I started doing other things like like what you just said like talking about a step and I years ago, maybe a year ago, whenever I was like really interested in step six and seven, and I learned a lot about those steps so when I go to meetings, I would share about those steps I talk about those steps and what I learned or I talk about what I learned from A. A conversation I had with somebody, and how they enlightened me about some aspect of recovery that I hadn't ever thought of before You know the those types of things I'm speaking about a little bit more. And then what's always interesting is if you are someplace where someone doesn't know about a secular person, a speaking about your experiences, just as a secular person is is interesting, so yeah, those those were. Last week I think it was last week. I actually spoke at a women's meeting. That usually meets in New, York and it was on the on step six, because it's June and And so for those of you who are not familiar with traditional a lot of the step groups. Do the. The steps and have a step meeting every month at least. And it's whatever the number of the month is is the corresponding steps they're thinking of or looking at so yeah, so I was asked to speak on on one that was on step six, and so yeah, so that's what I talked about was you know how I think of step six and how that differs from, maybe how some other people think of it and and you know for me mainly, it's that I. don't ask anything to to take care deep x away from me because I don't consider anything character defects. I consider it, you know resources or traits and. I need them all. Those are actually really nice steps. Secular people talk about Oh Hachi by the way Hachi. Be. Pronounced Hachi he was asking what John h thinks about what's going on in DC and I don't know but I will ask him and I know he could have him on a podcast, and he can talk for an entire hour about what he thinks about. What's going on see? So he has an opinion I guarantee you that. Definitely no short most shortage of them, and in a and they're interesting to listen to you know, and that's what I like about this The beyond belief, is that that I do here? You know these these different opinions, and and and I can take you know a little here and there you know the whole take what you like, and leave the rest of because yeah all of them have something within them that that I find interesting or that you know I can consider later or sometimes. It's an example of how I don't want to be. So so yeah, so but. We could definitely do that. Listening actually listening to people since I since I've learnt since I've reached out and met other atheists, agnostics, free thinkers in the alcoholics anonymous, and since I started listening to them, it's amazing how much I have grown over the last five years Angela, and how what used to shock the hell Outta me. No longer does. Names something, which is the first time I couldn't believe what I heard. Somebody an hockey's is GONNA get a kick out of this, but somebody was criticizing that the steps I thought what. What are you doing I can't believe that you're saying that about the steps talk. What I was hearing. Stops. And I'm like totally relaxed about it. Hardly working myself. Yeah. Yeah. I'll hatch is pronounced. Hatch okay? The Brits pronounced the letter H I did not know that I never knew that. I would love to go to England but right now. They won't let Americans travel anywhere expect. British people travel anyway. Yeah that I think it's. It's probably wise for the real. Travel. It's funny. My wife and I we were actually planning on going to London I think this year. and we're really excited about it, and of course, that's not going to happen. One of these days will make it. So definitely cool I haven't been there hitter. Again the phones are open. If you WANNA call, you can. It's eight one. What is our number? Eight, four, four, nine, nine, eight, two, seven eight, so please do call let us know what you think about speaking. Oh, yes, something else is going to say. This is kind of an interesting. We were talking about when I was new, and how I am now how I would have more to say back then and so forth. Tell you the very first time I ever spoke anywhere. And I was, I was new and I went to a treatment centre with a Old-timer. He was probably sober up ten fifteen years. Whatever was pretty old for me. Then I'm in and I was nervous as hell and I thought you know. I don't really what am I. GonNa say the. Barely sober myself and he actually he said you know what John they're gonNA relate to you a want more than they are me because you're a lot closer to it and you know I think he was right and I still find. That's true that the people that are most recent to in their recovery, sometimes can reach the newcomer, new. People a little bit a little bit better than someone. Someone who's been sober for twenty thirty years where it's just really even hard to even imagine I, remember when I was you know just within a month or two sober and someone told me that they were sober for a year or five years or ten years or twenty years I couldn't even fathom that as like I felt like. I thought that like Oh man. They must not have any problems ever. And I find out later have problems unfortunately. We have another caller great and see who this is. Hello. Hello? Hi, how are you? Who is this? All Robert Oh Robert what's up I. Say. Hi Thank you for. Your service, On the. Where are you from? From wherever. Santa Barbara Santa Barbara. Oh you're the one that was asking about the. Meetings was going to meet again in Santa Barbara. Yeah Boy I. Tell Ya! Oh Yeah I might be good to post it in the facebook group. If you're a part of that, I can't tell. Right now because there might be somebody in there, who has a better idea of what's going on in that area and might be able to to meet up with you or get some direction that kind of thing. So. Do you obviously must miss the face to face meetings? Umit met, you must miss the face to face meetings. Are you having a difficult time with a little bit yeah. Yeah. It gets old after a while. Right now. Yeah now. It's like It's weird when all of your interactions with people is through a screen like for me anyway. I'm working from home, so all of my people that I work with. They're all on a computer screen. And then when I entered work I shutdown that computer I put on my home computer, and then all the people I'm interacting with her on screen and I and I always asked my wife if she would please communicate me through zoom if she could go to another room and go down, she's the only one ever actually gets back to face to face to face more. It'll happen sooner or later, but I don't know man I hope it happens sooner rather than later because it is difficult for a lot of people right now for sure. I, can understand. The Any advice on maybe. Getting A. I'm a sponsor right now. He's an A. Christian. Obviously I. It'd be a little bit difficult. I've already gone to the abson. and. Twelve. Norm. I've done everything basically based off of. The steph work on them. So I in. Again maybe. You want to that might be local. Area, that's. Secular hurt, agnostic or whatnot. yeah, I do know that they you know have some meetings. I don't know how close they are. Because you know I'm in Idaho and so close to me is like driving to Salt Lake for a concert or something, which just five hours away so I don't know what clothes you know would mean for you but you can check on the secular. A website about that's where I go I just to see you know if there are any that are within a distance that. That, you're willing to to drive to and then you know when they do open definitely try to check one of those out, because even if it's a meeting that you're not gonna go to regularly, because it's too far if you drive to it, you know and and talk to the some people after the meeting there then that might be a way for you to connect with somebody who is secular and who might. Might you know, meet you half way. at a coffee shop or something to do sponsorship kind of situation but that's the direction that I would go, and then right now again I would use you know a a beyond belief as as a way to try to connect to people that are somewhat close to you and and maybe if there isn't a a meeting where you're at you guys can start. Start One because I know there are several meetings that have started up on zoom because you know that's where we need to me right now, but are planning to become physical. Meet as soon as they can. And so it was you know away partly a way for them to be able to connect with each other I'm in a quick timeframe and Yeah, so those are those are a couple of my ideas. Do you have any thoughts John. I think there's a good suggestions you could always ask around on facebook I. Suppose but Yeah, it's You know you're right now. You can have to meet somebody online, but one thing I was thinking. Though is there are people out there that they don't necessarily have to be atheist, agnostic or even secular person? You can have a person who's religious who is totally accepting of your path I've met a lot of people. Actually. Who are you know atheist, but have Christian sponsors and vice versa as a matter of fact, it might be rare, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't just limit yourself to insisting that the person also has to share your worldview, because sometimes you can have different world views, but have a respect for each other's view. Yeah, yeah, so if you don't have secular meetings, you know just kind of listen, and for what people are saying and their shares, and if you can you know zoom? Zoom, but if you can see that they don't ever share about you know God in any of their shares, whether that's the topic or not, and then that might be a person that will be helpful to you some. Yeah the. Suggestions all right well. Thank you for calling Robert Thank you very much. It was nice to hear from you. You're a great deal. Take it easy. For this hour is really gone by fast. We only have another six minutes. Anybody else WANNA. Call in yet cup. Go ahead and call him if you'd like to. I think we covered the topic pretty well though We you talked about recording the stories and how easy it is, those iphones or or other kind of phones? They work really really well. It's amazing. I have some fancy digital recorders, and they don't do that much better than if if better at all than the IPHONES John H is talk was the quality was excellent. Yeah, and my. You can air all of the and you. said. Yeah, but those programs are pretty pretty easy, and it's just so it's just all you have to do is put your phone down there and you know it's and it's and it's a big deal, but I really. Help for people you know if you do. Who would who will hear it and and it'll be just what they need. Either that day or you know in general. Not long ago, not long ago. You couldn't find a talk anywhere. On the Internet, from a secular person, they were very hard to find. And now they're not so hard to find, so we're building that library up and that that's one thing. I liked so I'd like to see that library. Build up so that we can put our voice out there to the world that we can show that there is a secular path to sobriety with Aa. I like that, but also for archival purposes because what we're doing. Today is going to be history tomorrow and recording what we're doing. Today is preserving that history so sometimes. We don't often think about ourselves as doing anything that might steal. Anyone's going to care about in the future, but you think about what we're going through. You know AA during a pandemic going online be being an atheist starting having these atheists AA conferences, or whatever secularly conferences and all this stuff I mean this is, this is kind of new. You know it's kind of interesting, so it's good to have are. A variety of experiences. That's the that's the coolest thing in my opinion about the secular people in A. Third, not they don't walk lockstep. There's a huge variety of people I mean even amongst the people who identify as atheists the way that they. Are the angry atheists. We come in all varieties. Angering it. Sometimes. We're angry at God things. Sometimes, we're angry. At GSA some and most of the time. We're angry at each other but. He I'm sorry, Angela this facebook user. I don't know who it is, but he posted about. He could only find one Barry L. Speaker tape. Joe See I rebellion. Dogs Radio had a I've found this talk that Joe posted. That Berry gave at I. Think it was the Montreal. Aa Conference that was held in Montreal and Berry was talking about the tradition. The only the third tradition I think it is the only requirement for membership desire to stop drinking. And he was, and he was talking about how that tradition came to be, and he was reading from it from the twelve and twelve, twelve and twelve version was really sanitized from what ax from how that actually occurred of why did she actually came about? And it was just really fascinating I'll try to find that talk on Joe's website and posted. There 'cause I. Don't know if you've ever heard that before nine. It's really really good. It's amazing is really really good. Yeah, he and he has some talks of berries to yeah. I like to hear that. I wonder if Barry was a non believer I. Don't really know I don't know anyway. Not that important really. So. Well any final thoughts to wrap things up in July. NO I. Other than I would love it if people would record their their story, even if it's you know at their house right now and and send them. To us so that you can post them because you know I I think we need more diversity and and it's important for helping other people so that they can you know have some hope? They can hear one person who may have a similar story, or who may be able to phrase their recovery in such a way that that they can relate to and and I think we all need. Need to have some some hope and to be able to relate to two people right now I know there's a lot of people struggling and Yeah so I. If you'll feel to it, I would totally love that and. And it's pretty easy to do, and if anyone is interested in and they still or not sure how to. Phrase things, or you know something like that feel free to contact us and Jonah and yeah, you can pass the email onto me. And I I'll be happy to to help you. or give you some tips or our work with you in some way so that that is easier. Because it's definitely needed. People need to hear your your secular experience. you regardless of if you're agnostic or atheist or pagan or any of that I mean we need it all and. And so yeah, so I'm happy to help in that way next week we're going to have willow on and we're GonNa talk about having phone conversations. That's GonNa be interesting It's going to be difficult conversation just. Yes, yes, it is. And we got some podcasts Anita. Put Out I. I felt a little bit behind, but there's some really interesting podcast that I that I have recorded that I need to put out first of all I need to Polish up the the last to live streams and put those out as audio podcast at then I recorded a podcast with a friend of mine here in Kansas City who's a comedian and has been sober for like A. Almost forty years, whatever it was really very nice. Talk that we had and and then what was really fun Sam from Lawrence and I. We read the Book Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. And then we had a conversation about it. Relating to alcoholism and Sam did an amazing job. She she like why I. She has a degree in history so history you'll history, but she during English and she just had such a great job dissecting that book and explaining. It was just really fun. It was really fun conversations. I'm looking forward to posting that out Listen to yeah, it was nice to read classic to I was so inspired by doing that I actually ordered some Hemingway Hemingway from Amazon. Really Much Ernest Hemingway. I'm here. In in the facebook group you know which taming way we should read because you know. He lived in Idaho and and I will. Green that with you, so yeah, yeah? I was I was looking for other alcohol related novels and I know that you know. Hemingway was quite a drinker, so I thought that maybe he wrote something about drinking, and I think there there might be some. I'm out there and I tried to order one. I can't remember which one it was. There was drinking I think. He wrote a book that I can't remember the title right now but I've ordered it, and it's a composite of different characters. And they all have kind of drinking common. I. Think Anyway. I don't know. Well okay. This that? Main press the right button. Did it. Wow. Thank you, everybody, thank you. People who posted meal and Robert Calling in and Kathy for calling in and Josie for your nice comments? And everybody and thank you Angela once again for. Spending this Friday evening with me chatting about things of interest to secular people and I. Call it synonymous. Thanks John Take care of your body.

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117. Into the Vortex

The Skylines Podcast

30:11 min | 1 year ago

117. Into the Vortex

"When I woke up this morning. I went to my blinds mccord's snapped to my hand. So when I went to fix that. The blinds came out of the Woolwich showered the flow of plaster, and when I went to Hoover up the plus my Hoover exploded. And then just sat there for about twenty five minutes. Anyway, I'm in a terrible mood. Can we recall the puck intro music goes here? Nick again, we attract push me crew. Visit Manhattan found a breast. Tap is grand. Hello. I'm Joe knowledge. And this is skylines. The city metric podcast, I'm here again with my colleagues, and he will from Sarah monogamous about free minutes ago. I said to one of them Gina how to like put the Mike's up. I'm they said, oh, no, I've never learned to do that. Because then people are you to do stuff, so Robin and publicly shaming them. I'm gonna lead it hanging. So the fingers both of them because it would literally. I mean, the warm would definitely set the same thing if push comes to shove. So I'm in a great mood teachable moment. Doug learned things that is true. That's what women get tricked into doing everything in life. That happens to me. How come I'm the guy has to do everything? Maybe you should ask for some help. Anyway, as we were cool this Friday, February first snowed a bit in London, mentally the huge amount. But you know, in other parts of the world, such as I know the US midwest is basically under about minus thirty or something there, isn't it? It's incredible. So we're gonna we're gonna talk about extreme weather. Sara what's going on in the mid four hang on immediately just wanted to the back, but we speak either celsius or Fahrenheit speaks Bo. I seek both. So it's fifty is minus fifty to sue the celsius is actually minus. It's been recorded to be minus forty six overnight was the coldest in Chicago, isn't that somewhere around the point at which found Heim celsius or the same does too. So why today dovetail out the other way after that? Oh. Oh, yeah. One degree Fahrenheit smaller than one degree celsius. So how do you do you speak found guys don't know how? All right. So this isn't this isn't specifically what punishment, but this is exactly. Right. So yeah. Let's do this running faces on the white Fahrenheit than centigrade. I'm with you on the sole, right? There's three different temperature ranges central Greg centigrade. Well, I mean Kelvin's useful for signs, right? It's not really useful for anything other than to tell. There we go. That was good John. It's name of a book. I didn't invent but centigrade which is based on the point temperature water is useful for cooking. Like, it's useful. When you want to know like what something should be the oven for for? How long did it boils? Whatever is not really useful for working out whether or not you're going to need a jacket today because the range of human temperature from about zero to like thirty two and that's not very granular in at work yet. Whether you need a jumper or slightly warmer, jump whereas Fahrenheit zero to like the as thirty two like fortieth damn cold Foyt fifties. Like a bitch fifty six mile away weather, and then sixty seventy s like Womack seventy two ideas, like pray haw and then eighty degree hot mode. Also was just there's more numbers. Like when you like there's there's more degrees involved in Fahrenheit like for every one degree celsius. It's like two degrees Fahrenheit. I think not quite two degrees. But I'm doing a very. Expressive handwriting or at the moment. I'm getting very into it. But I do feel very irritated about this. Because I think it is much more specific. And so the FOX it can be thirteen degrees or could be seventeen degrees. And that's like a wildly difference of temperatures. That really pisses me off. Okay. So two things about this firstly. The thing come Ryan saying that like we will know that like centigrade societas like freezing point voted boiling point of water zero one hundred I think zero in one hundred and Fahrenheit is the freezing. And boiling points of salted water or something weird. Like weird intuitive noticed. I've seen in New York when it's being one hundred Fahrenheit would call a living under found heights about thirty five. There is some logic to that. Maybe I'd go wrong with some logic to it where it's like, this is deeply on intuitive. Like, it doesn't take you wanna set of chemicals which originally as way to remember is that in terms of going out that day zero. This brings me to my point is I do not understand Fahrenheit to understand what temperature in Fahrenheit means they have to translate it into celsius. It's not decision over made. I can't unstained kilometers over have to translate them into miles. But there's nothing about the number. Thirty five degrees. Implies me that's going to be in celsius is because it's just over a third. Up in this country. Whereas. As I know. It's just so easy to like once everyone's talking that you go down. Found. Of the temperatures are like almost personified when you talk and Fahrenheit in the US. Like, you don't talk about what you talk about the sixties or the fifties. Like, you talk about a fucking decade. But it's like the temperature and you're like, oh, what's it like outside? Oh, it's in the sixties. And, you know, hey, you're not going to need a jacket. But if it's like, oh, it's the forties. You should put on some socks. I it's in the twenties. Shits like, oh, it's going to be. That means that we have to translate it. It's so easy to one hundred scale where hundred is often Xeros oh, keep saying king wholesome. Wholesome code is if these are in some way, scientific measurement it's no about scientific measurements. We're not trying. Or whichever you're going to be how big a check days or how hard you're nips are going to be. We've been recording this book the ten minutes, we've had like free different personal stories and a lengthy digression on hell temperature scales work without getting to the actual topic. We originally came here to discuss he's the most city metric females have happened in the history of the universe. So that's fine. So I would like to say something about the London weather, and this is something I felt for both London. Annaborough also lived in the UK, and I understand it and people on Twitter and like own but it's different in Canada. And America, you get real snow. But the thing is it's like the fact that there can be like a light dusting of snow and there's a bit of sludge on the ground. And like, no one has salt to stop it. And the whole thing. It's like oh shit. What are we going to do what people were being die over something that's like super normal and really not why we don't invite or something that's not actually is like dramatic. I guess that's the guest dramatic. Equipment is because we don't get enough to justify the investment. We don't have snow plows for the same reason. A week. I'm saying like bag of salt or so to be fair. I haven't seen anyone like Hannah king for this particular sniper Hamid says you haven't been watching BBC breakfast. Ship. It looks like hell on earth. There was a big snow. Same touch. I walked BBC breakfast every more southwest. Yeah. It's about maybe it's the end of the centers. There was a big snowstorm about ten years ago. All the news calls kept trying to make how the let people were panicking verge of late. And and just everyone was having a really good time. This went on for a month late Charlie Brooker to the piss service is now go to the end of the sentence. He wasn't a great center. I'm going to be honest. I mean once schools closed, and I tell you what happened to my blind. This morning. Daddy. Once once it snows enough school sick lice radio on the one hand I like school VIN work. The all agreed on the one hand like having a great time because you off wacko or your parent your journalists it snowing is never going to be enough to get you off work again. Now, I can work combined. Exactly. So late you'll still be possessed a working, Nikki, isn't it. Nikki whose name is remote coming into the office means like sat at ask the people watching me scroll through tweet that most of the day with like some brief bursts of intensive activity. But that'd be nothing. I mean job knock you can trust in journalism. I think that's everyone miss his Wanda point of love. Officers in general, which is like you come in and have to perform work more than you have to actually do your job. Or is he not even what much more efficiently? No one's what I was talking with our colleague Indra about this address this afternoon because I think that my boyfriend works really solidly from like nine thirty to like three without a single break. And then he's pretty much done for the day. And I feel like I could do all of my work like, you know, with those extra hours where I'm just like, you know, let's check Twitter and see what everyone is up to there. I think if I just binged literally nothing, but like literally stare at a word document for like seven hours a day. Can we get back to the topic? We came into the Scots just nobody was going to say, which is very sad. It's not going to be about the topic. Is it is about the topic? I was gonna say is it was very pitiful for me. It was the first time I ever was like, I think I had the mind of a parent because I'm a dog parent. I was washing. My poor little dog trying to take a shit this morning while she was sliding around on all the sludge and the ice and snow and is very sad. And I thought someone needs to salt these roads. So my dog standstill and got all her shit ever. Dwarf gand. Ourselves was that? So breaking into that conversation. I am back once again at the city's for hours the experts section we've had a policy posts, Wendy pool. You're drinking out today. Sunderland famed Margaret just noticed it makes mix tea taste, even better. And it's nice to be able to remind yourself before you take each work very confused by the feathers farrington the handle net. Washington the Seabourn this Hilton. So really, I just recognized some of those places from the time away metro map Zula saying here. So anyway, we are going to talk about what we're gonna talk about storage. You just had your Big Joe big end who report out city job look twenty nineteen and this year you look largely at the question of city's finances. What did you find? Did you find that there will this boomtime run? Look government bodies doing pretty well from selves and everyone's in a great great state local awash with cash and everybody says is well aware of the what's interesting about nothing. The portion of the rush two or three years. Once a time stern was the most politically contentious policy of the twenty th century. And yet not just being completely swamped by descriptions of Brexit over over the last reviewers. So I thought we thought it was important to to look in this topic not only because of roles because people the spending review this year as well. When it set out how much money different departments will get now, what's really interesting within. This is you know, eight or nine years of austerity so far is on movement has been the hardest hit of any public sector department in which puts run about fifty sixty percent in terms of modern when you get from central government. That's in the context of city at a chess say in real terms increase in national aids in real terms increase in order to protect some of these areas Morgan is really got in the neck and shorted far more than nothing, you would expect to be acceptable in terms of sort of austerity. And so when you're Jordan said, no, we're all together. He definitely wasn't talking about government. And he definitely wasn't taught about certain parts of. Guman as well to show in camonte. So the figures you just named there. Like fifty sixty percent. Those are the figures that people tend to talk about when this scene caught solar Expos of the kind of numbers you hear one of the things that struck me about your city's outlook report with that the cuss you've found a nothing quite that deep lead the base cut was bombs Li I think which was forty percent don't get me wrong. It says terrible things we reached a point where you see a cough. Forty percent. You think oh, that's actually not that bad. But nonetheless that it let's that expected it to be what's well explains. The disparity you be desensitized. I think. For nine years. So. Quite so in terms of the the things of South Dakota put in place that could to grunt. So that's not too the the amount of that simple Gelman passes onto now. Of course, you know, the source of income for local men to this this council talks, there's a little bit more business rates now to change the system slightly. There's also many race from sealed speech charges charging access, and is awesome. When you raise in this. So this we'd of the thing that will come into right? Stocks called with the income, and that's income from nonsensical departments or the chest, for example, or national lottery. Operator four also will things get through in areas. Well, now the reason why we interested in looking at the whole gamut of of spending funded by these different different income. Streams is because we wanted to look at how services have changed the people who live in different parts of the country. So we can talk about ten discussion about what how stable is noble government, which comes with Mike Foale that what you think is a bigger element. Your sturdy all the Mideast applies to people, and we wouldn't see well, how is fade out a green house affected people on on a day-to-day basis in terms of spending on you, museums, libraries, social cat, how clean you streets at investigate the element of she'll. So let's kind of drill down into it. And if you look at these counts the scene cuts of twenty fifty four percent how have sevices challenge. What's what's different ten years ago? It's very interesting thing to see the the makeup of how come to spend their money. So in terms of the coach what we've seen is that the certain evidence that an comes half cooked bottle for solutions and try to keep from is services going, which is very very commendable. Whether when you look in within the individual service lines what you see is thought social cat as much being protected. That's surprise, welcome. It has to deliver that by law on wishing going forward as well. Social carries largely Kathy. Right. What's more or not? We should. It's children's social cat over. She some of that Spain the news in recent years, but also. Motive even also has much more than just L the elderly population. We think not straight away, but it's mental health speak with learning difficulties, etc. Demand for service have been on the rise in recent years. So what you've seen is that big which to all government and cities, especially we did not which we didn't come onto day with coach turned to money come from central government. But also the increase in demand for social cab. So then what is your more limited money is actually then be funneled even more into certain service line that deliver the service for very will people. Now view shove that means that all your the still thought north authorities provide because they have crystals custodians of flesh, not just provide social cat. That's what happened could buy. Because ultimately, you not going to be taken to coach for not providing cultural events or not keeping the streets exchange before cutting the grass in the way that you did pass and just those areas that have really being squeezed that don't have to provide what action is important in terms of the fabric of the place place me. Yeah, precise. Typically identity is kind of so downed up into keeping places nice and provide and cultural events and so on. Let's talk about the geography of the counts because they've not been felt evenly. Have they some places to see deeper cuts of us? Indeed. I think what's interesting is the story. Not I think we've heard over over recent years to warn of of county comes from reach totally no north inches being all over the news, Somerset is being in trouble as well. Because they're the ones the material for his ones lumber to social it should show yesterday up responsible social cab. But at the same time, actually, I've had some extra grind wouldn't sorta. Karen in recent years now, this is the county councils all ruled authorities haven't had Todd gave them we've got a stress up all of Logan is bay really hard. Hit the hardest. Hit department of any public sector department book when it comes to figures its being urban authorities that accurate hardest note besides the quote in cities is being twice as large what has been in elsewhere in Britain. But then even them within this geography, which is it cities in the. North of England, particularly being hit hard soul. If you think about a study this being hit the hardest of any body within not cities have been hardest hit then with not it's being cities. The north of England of meticulous not have shoulder. The burden of the study had been hit the hardest as you said on three artist. Takes Jim lob. Blue coats Liverpool. Hardest hit in terms of puts on a Picasso basis base. I don't Custer in Wakefield there as well. And the geography very much as in the north of England terms of in terms of the burden. So I think we obviously us from the upper Luke center finances in twenty ten cities north of England of more than two net that fascia really put that shortest to the to the whatever the, you know, and enjoying this. And really sort of played that part to throw another cliche. But I think he loves to move. Now. I think when it comes to the spending we have to reflect the law governors helmet. What your cities north thing that in particular Radi? They hit hard really played that part to help sort of improve protective finances and not need to recognize just formed fun question on this like something you like he hit list of nine fled dome cost. The Bosley Liverpool wake failed while they will have in common apart from being slightly down the hill season though for England is they tend to vote labour and let looking at the map, it's not it's not across the bulb of fairly does appear to be a correlation between place tend to the labor taken failty cuts in the south of England London. This taken deeper cuts, the many of the smaller cities around it London. Urs tends to live this cities around the tend to vote Tory. I how cynical should we be about this like is it a lie him? It's not simply a matter of like the. Government looks at place voting record. But like is it if they're like some correlation? We've let the kind of places tend to vote labour have the kind of populations of seeing the biggest cops like hell does this. Yeah. Should step goes places. Not a highly deprivation of being haunted by the yes, they tend to live on. I think that it was more government ineptitude rather than any tickets mollis. Why say to talk about we see? So the way the Kutu applied within two thousand ten Coburn said don't apply coat, and let's say they said we're gonna apply coat of twenty cents to nobleman garments or Gandak Google engaged to ligament. And everybody's gonna take this twenty percent coach to that. Grunt on the fish seemed quite fat everywhere gonna shoulder twenty percent. Coach of the problem is like I said, Goldman grunt is not the only source of income that will vote. He's get. So we have got things like council talks for the business rates now seals facing charges. And this module ordering comb area too. So if you look at a place like hope, for example, fifty percent of its income comes from of grunt Sasha pretty reliant supplement. Grunt if we instead said, we're gonna place Worthing we say to write about twenty five percents. So if incenting you're actually take a twenty percent quotes to fifty percents butchered. That's actually which date because then a twenty percent coach to just twenty five percent of the budget. And you've got a of concerts, you can raise more money can offset some of these some of these two there's also signalled that the were also a whole force of one of runs that move. Without is got they were tend to be skewed towards the north of England. Because that's where the biggest problems are one of these worse could with the stroke of a pen in two thousand ten so we gave me your all. These were scrapped. It's happened that the geography of doors, we city is offering more relying on it. Interestingly the government day change approach and around about twenty fifteen or actually ready. Made a mistake here and stopped applying this uniform, couldn't go grunt. However, interesting verse dot. The standard the fluids. No, it hasn't sort of improved. The picture. Why we then continue see this geography from local of the whole pave the kale. Thank you very much. I have learned something here today. I hope listeners have Tim. Thank you. My pleasure. Train out of. So Sara you've written the piece for new statesman about what they calling it. The polevault Tech's will carry the poor vortex. And I thought that was a a proper noun for the two thousand fourteen thing. But yes, I think it's technically a polar vortex. I've written. I think quite a serious pace despite my jovial mood like going. Yeah. But that's the thing. So this is in Chicago where like hell freezes over like once every four years Chicago in two thousand fourteen had this like really like insane. Global news story style kind of snowstorm and essentially it makes for like really good like oh, look at Chicago the waves of frozen mid crest on Lake Michigan. And like, oh, look at her there snowbanks and they're having to set fire to train tracks. But essentially like people's people die at one hundred ten people died in two thousand fourteen I think. Yeah. More than ten people have died this time around after like three days of it. The whole city stops like a huge major like one of the biggest cities in the US literally is at a standstill and can't do anything, and it's apparently, very eerie and creepy. It's like if you were walking down Oxford Street at four pm on a Saturday, and no one was there. So we'll happens then just for context. Fifty two degrees Fahrenheit like actually is one of the most illustrative bug tires. I saw come out of this with someone who'd like made a bowl of noodles gone outside with a folk lifted up amend, just let go of the full and in the time lifted up the noodles could froze enough that it kept the full that demonstrating in my house that might make it great radio off to five minutes in that actually apparently in Chicago. Now, you can get frostbite and under sixty seconds. She's nuts. I was there because I was in Ohio, which was not hit as badly as Chicago. And I was actually in Chicago before this in two thousand thirteen twenty four team that winter I was in Chicago just before it happened. And then in Dayton, just as it was happening. But my dad and my sister because I left early, but they were sending me videos of them boiling kettle going outside throwing the kettle water into the air, and it instantly turning to snow like the second went outside. It's absolutely mad. Like, honestly, it's like insane legit incomprehensible to me. I just call him magin this. Yeah, it's hungers. It's like a machine will warn. I enjoyed that make on. I'm here for it's pretty insane in Chicago, and like the public schools have closed or the state schools, whatever public schools in the US, but the the the idea because Chicago not to be like incredibly grim about it because Chicago has such bad homelessness, especially amongst like literal children. They never close the schools, like even like, even in, you know, multiple feet of snow, ice everywhere. Like, they would still keep the schools open because so many kids don't get food other than at school. So the fact that they have now closed it is a pretty big deal. I have a lot of family in Chicago. So that is why I've been there before and it as honestly like it's so hard to describe how cold it gets just you walk a minute, and you actually feel like you're ready for death. Like, it's so cold outside. Even if you're wearing the parka and a ski mask known polar vortex time Chicago into normal when the wind paulie because of the way the space, very kind of gridlock. More than New York like a wind funnels down avenues and slice. His. Straight to the binocular doesn't matter thing. Like, this huge scale back on is just like it went through it like a hot knife through butter is crazy when I had friends like move to Chicago, whether it was for university or work or anything like that. They were like you think you know, what a coat is. And then you move to Chicago. And you learn what a coat as like, you do not understand like the level of Colt. And it's true. Like, I remember when I landed in Chicago in two thousand thirteen when I was just going to spend Christmas there with my mom's family, I got into the car in a parking lot of a AAA callback to our other episode about other fast food, which you can listen to on a cast or wherever you get your podcast. And I just the walk from going into the Chipotle to get my burrito from the car and back. Honestly, I was like I have not experienced this before this is unlike anything I've ever felt in my whole life. I am. So pulled actually got very violent food poisoning from that AAA very sweaty. For me, the press team Chipotle is going to note. And they're gonna be telling people this stereo in our chicken. I'm not sure I've ever been below about minus five at the outsides that I'm back in centigrade. That's fine. Isn't get below freezing often. And it doesn't get too. Well. Horrible and we don't have air conditioning. And I think that matters conditioning with the same reason we'd done have. So yeah, exactly. You don't set up anything for them. This kind of let grey twelve degrees. Just that. Yeah. Trump's read today, which is I mean, that's what you want to say. I mean, yes. And I kind of done one now I so the one like when your kid, and you have like picture books, and they shouted like, you know, him win to there. It's snow everywhere in summer it sunshine, and while they don't show is all four seasons Ingraham boring, and that's kind of the climate. I'm living in. London. The grand board. I didn't choose to be here. This is smoke a grid is someone who grew up with very traditional seasons. I had incredibly hot like thirty five degree summers celsius summers and like getting down near minus. Yeah. Five minus ten degrees celsius winters. I do quite like just the reliability of UK weather. I can go outside during any season. And I know like within a certain amount of bounds. I'm not gonna feel too uncomfortable. Like because I'm just always prepared for it. Can let's go to the over extreme whilst the whole system. Ron's been that's a good question. So properly thirties. John heard me say the coldest you he heard you say he heard himself say the coldest I've ever been it's minus five and he's been sitting here watching us asshole. And you're talking about bullshit seasons. And he's been cooking on that. I only plan because that would be unbelievably pathetic. But I like we we have an incredible heat wave in London into frayed, you remember this Nikki younger than maybe you remember that was like, hey, why even like two thousand to two thousand and free woman. I think there was one thousand in such. One was literally killed tens of thousands of people across Europe. Just. Thousands of yet. Then not like literally like Bernie up on the street. But if there is a bump in the stats if like a lot of old people would expect, but it was like it got up to like fatty eight degrees celsius, which is will sign Fahrenheit eleven hundred six. Yeah. So that is you as you put it. Yeah. At that for season. I think probably the hottest temperature fade into his public like Mississippi focused type of thing. But it's not the thing that gets me at law pay boat Titus as well as like, it's humidity. That kills me like I can tell with eat dry. That's omega cliche. But it's true. Like like, I spend my summers going to see my bona off my summers. But some summer is going to see my Greek family in Greece. And it would have been like around the temperatures like the way it was in London here and we didn't have air conditioning until this past summer was the first time I experienced air conditioning in Greece. And yet like I don't ever have memories of being very hot. Whereas like being in DC, which is built on a literal swamp as our president likes to remind us being there, even just like in the like high twenties, which is obviously still hot. I remember like being there in two thousand fifteen and trying to get like a bird or something and actually feeling enrage. You don't get out of this heat. I'm gonna lose shirt like really like a look. Yes, it feels like being in some kind of like some all of the humidity is just kind of cumulated feeling the air like you can walk through it. Like you're walking through. Through. I don't know. Like coop. Like, it's disgusting. And so I think like honestly, I actually might say that the hottest I've ever felt is actually London this past summer morbid girth, go back. We'll see next time. Is that really it does not feel like a podcast? You've been listening to skylines the podcast from symmetric metric, the new statesman. Sit side presented recruited by me. John H M purchased by Nick Hilton. You can find skylines every two weeks on ITN's Acosta whatever-ever app used to get you. You'll put cost Moyal there. Why don't leave us a nice review to tell other people? It really helps people. Discover the show and on the neckline maniac. So the more people can get listen to this better early who see in two weeks. Thanks for listening. Britain. The communion story is that when I was little they pour in the Greek church, you all drink from the same gold chalice and the same gold spoon, and they put hunks of bread floating in the wine. And apparently, I came back from taking communion to my mom, and she was like, how did it go? And I was like all it was great. I got a huge piece of chicken in my communion. And it turned out that I thought that the flavor of red wine soaked in Brad was like hunks of chicken floating in the communion. So there you go. I think that's a fucking funny story that usually gets a laugh.

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Windows TikTok 2.0  Microsofts TikTok-quisition. Levis non-Amazon roadmap. Tysons new chicken-free CEO.

Snacks Daily

17:33 min | 2 months ago

Windows TikTok 2.0 Microsofts TikTok-quisition. Levis non-Amazon roadmap. Tysons new chicken-free CEO.

"This is nick. This is Jack and this is snacks daily. It is. Tuesday. August fourth snack, good news, stock markets, job, they Jones, not also good news. Your face looks a lot better than before. You can haircut I appreciate it. I did vacation haircut, and once again Jack didn't go with banks. I would love to see a picture of you with back. So trying to do what I can say about Nice dimples because a lot of facial features of your face have been hidden by your wild main. Honestly half of me has been shrouded like Jumanji since February. Well, it's good to our stories because this is the best one yet Tbo y Jack, first story, what do we got tick tock on Friday take band. Then it got unbidden up ad and Microsoft could not acquire now trump is. To Microsoft acquiring looking at the unprecedented take. Tock. Saga that went on over a weekend and a possible Microsoft future for a second story, this struggle is real for just go based Levi's jeans during covid nineteen, your new going out clothes involving elastic waistbands. So we're interested in Levi's new survival plan for our third and final story. My puppy river is obsessed with chicken. Chicken, other white meat, but Tyson, chicken knows everyone else is unimpressed by so is Tyson's leadership to the meat company is hiring Google Tech Guy? Bold move. The Meat Company is hiring a Google tech guy. We'll see if it works for them but Jack Happy teaboy Tuesday to you. Thank your neck in honor of Tibor Tuesday the chocolate chip in your go-to chocolate chip. Chip Cookie. No. Well is broken. It's broken snacker. It's outdated, and apparently we didn't realize this. But apparently, chocolate chips need to be disrupted. You know that funny teardrop shaped with a little wave that like tips over at the top I know. Well, that's every third graders. Halloween costume. It wasn't shaped like that. Intentionally, no. Shaped like that as a result of equipment limitations. Limitations one hundred years ago when the chocolate chip was created. When we hear that we think of the oil Appalachia gotta think different when it comes chips. Yeah. Pretty sure. We don't have equipment limitations anymore. So an engineer at Tesla has redesigned chocolate chips using modern technology, the goal liberate the chip from its engineering confines. So this guy put his like three Stanford PhD's. Around up and he invented a cutting edge technologically advanced chocolate chip shape that is just superior in shape deliciousness and everything else? Jag. I wish we could have jumped in snacks. We couldn't. But we noticed it's got two thick edges per textual flavor and too thin edges for freaky surface layer. Got It looks like a stocky, Pyramid Imitating squished diamond anybody who see an Avatar notes that jerk CEO showing these sample of unobtainable. That's what this thing looks. By the way, the engineer sold that design for the new chocolate chip to a San Francisco chocolate maker and the engineers hours on that side. Hustle it. PROBABLY WHY TESLA'S MODEL? Why was so delayed? Definitely, let's are three stories. Daily. Illegal. Rain Food Candy, they don't reflect the views of robinhood family is. Just so Recommending any security, it's not a research report or investment advice offer or sale of security. That's next to digest the poop business news video. Financial LLC. Member favor. SIPC. For our first story, here's a story. We have literally never covered before a major and popular US product is getting band. That's right to talk will be gone in forty five days unless Microsoft acquires it, yeah, Jack. This feels like the plot twist like three different H.. B. O. Shows I'm watching right now does also are they going to insert like a bing search party up the tick Tock Jackie, and we finally introduced gen? Z. To clip that like Kinda freaky nightmarish. Nightmarish Microsoft paperclips thing there took talker. You know an Oxford Comma would be perfect in this talk. Now, the president's knackers, he can't just ban a company know if he could. We would have already seen Ben and Jerry's band a while ago. Yeah. You don't need to be like a constitutional scholar. No doubt one. But the president is commander in chief and does have a bunch of vast someone ambiguous power when it comes to foreign policy, which brings us to Sylvia's. We're talking the committee on foreign investment in the United States, the old see. US. Their. Jurisdiction is any company operating in the United States that has foreign ownership and the trump administration as a whole says that tick tock is feeding data directly to the Chinese Communist Party. So Friday trump ordered his treasury department to band Tiktok in the United States, no joke Friday night Jack and I just finished recording. We pop open our goto like cranberry flavored sparkling polar sensors, and then things just went downhill from there. But that wasn't the end of the story and we figured it wasn't the end. We're waiting for today to cover this developing saga. Sunday morning, we wake up brunch happens and what else happens the Microsoft. CEO says, Hey, I want to get involved in this. We'll. We'll. We'll. If you're worried about China with TIKTOK, we will happily adopt Tiktok for you and make it an American child. APP. So then the trump administration puts down, it's pancakes and says, Moore listening, they want to ban Tiktok because of the threat, but they're also heading into a presidential election and president trump is not keen to bum out one hundred million talkers. Yeah. By banning their Goto out. Yeah. That's pretty big and most tiktok probably can't vote at their age right now, but they can. Can get very loud. So here's the deal. Microsoft. Is Forty five days to propose an acquisition of Tiktok, US operations that will satisfy the trump administration, and they're going to be a couple of requirements in here. For example, it must like completely sever ties with China if docs going to survive and they're not going to get TIKTOK for free. Now, Microsoft will probably have to pay somewhere around fifty billion dollars to the existing owner, which is China's company called by dance, which brings us to Monday where we learned that there are basically forty five days for this company to make a deal forty five days to make a deal. It basically sounds like something that'd be on TBS. TBS. Oh. Meantime, if you want to talk, it still works for forty five days. Then we'll see. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over at tick? Tock? Tick Tock is a transformative acquisition, but Microsoft isn't the ideal acquirer Jack. I am checking our show notes here and last week. Didn't we say that Congress just finish saying that big tech was too big. Yup Lemme apple, this thing big tech do big congress done. Jack didn't Microsoft not do a great job acquiring skype and Nokia. Yeah. It pretty much killed them after acquired by accident. So Microsoft acquiring tiktok kind be giving your GRANDPA Steve Keys to a tesla. He's probably not going to use the self-driving Microsoft. Microsoft is a great company, but they're not that good with like young cutting edge consumer tech, not exactly. I didn't take talk to any company would actually be like an epic thing thing about it right away. You will compete with Google's Youtube and facebook instagram for the future of social media dominance. Microsoft could do that in a tad like looking. It's had some consumer success before it failed massively with skype and Nokia. We already said that yet, but linked in got acquired by Microsoft, is still usable. Still use walk an xbox doesn't just feel like a Microsoft Windows PC, which is a good thing. Jack. If we lowered our standard, if we're saying something is still usable. But. Microsoft is already one of the big tech companies that Congress is so scared about its number three by market cap, and this would only make it bigger over the next forty five days. We would love to see another company come in and offer to acquire Tiktok what about snapchat or Disney or verizon. They can all get involved. Then we could solve our concerns about China security and alleviate big TEX dominance over all of us for our second story. Levi stock is down forty percents this year. So the CEO is is taking their five year roadmap and condensing it into five months because this is an emergency honey I shrunk the roadmap. Now snacker as if he thought like Khakis sales were suffering Dan, themselves are afraid now talking like defoe fray, they'll want more for those jeans because they're torn little bit acid. A little bit of this. We're talking like run over by a lawn mower for Levi sales are down sixty two percent over the last three months and with no sign Kovas ending soon, denim sales problems will persist full. Here I do not wear jeans, they give me the chills which is uncomfortable full disclosure. Knicks not qualified to talk about any leg gene wearing feelings in this story, you've got a picture of me jeans. I will pay for that picture TMZ will pay more for that picture. Now, leave CEO just an interview with the Wall Street Journal Jack Knife that was pretty interesting. You gave us US The fashion playbook. That's for Levi's, but it's kind of for all the fashion for the rest of two, thousand, twenty Sergio go snacks out check out this playbook. We're sounded up for you and we're calling it the little bit of everything strategy because that's what this is. Little bit curbside pickup, little of selling more online Yada Yada. That's all the regular stuff. Everyone's doing those. Those things your mom is doing those things we were more interested in the everything part of Levi's strategy. We noticed Levi's is getting extremely creative with what they're doing. Now, since stores are closed, you might be sick and tired of waiting for Levi's like seven day delivery boom. Levi's hooked up with Uber. They're doing same day delivery with Uber in the United States now, Uber's not delivering. Delivering people another not, but it can deliver pair of boyfriend fit or mom jeans in the backseat. Also, people are buying so much online that they're actually switching up their styles like every month as opposed to every year 'cause they got all this data and right now genes are more sweatpants Yoga for comfort like ninety style. Loewe rise relaxed, fit? We're going back to ninety six. Days another issue. Are you thirty, four, thirty or thirty, three, thirty, two. You can't in the fitting room anymore or the dreaded thirty three and a half? No one knows what to do. With all suffered the humiliation of not getting the genes past your hip, doing that awkward like Penguin. Jumping thing Jack pulled the hammer. You don't have these problems in stretch Khakis. I. Just WanNa say that that's why I leave is just launched a virtual concierge program to connect you with the store associate. Find the right fit of jeans even if you can't try them on if you're talking with the store associate online, then they're probably going into the purchase. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies overtly vice physical stores? Let you survive without selling your soul to Amazon snacker surprising quote from the CEO of Levi's here. STORES ARE STILL A. A critical piece of the shopping experience leave just confirmed. They're planning to open seventy new stores by the end of this year seventy. This year actual physical things, stores sounds like the wrong move in the era of Covid, but they're adding stores not shutting them down. One reason why these physical stores still helping cope nineteen is because of E-commerce, one third of all the online sales delivered by Levi's are actually shipped from the physical stores that are spread out about the country. Yeah. Not Big expensive like facilities outside the cities. Now, Levi's can't offer same day delivery without their own physical stores. Now, Levi's could offer same day by going through. Amazon. But that would be a death for their brand sue. The CEO also says that sizes won't matter by twenty thirty because body scanners will literally Taylor jeans like like. SHAPE AND CONTOUR view. This is a pretty exciting thing, but you'll need a physical store for body scanners. Yeah. To give nick like size nick. So we can finally wear jeans, cars, time every nook and cranny of Nick. Now, physical stores are required to survive without Amazon and the differentiator to Amazon Four. Our third and final story Tyson Foods is an old school company that turns animals into package food and shockingly they just hired one of Google's tackiest Google. Google irs as the new CEO. Jack Tyson foods founded thousand, nine, thirty, five in Springdale. Arkansas. The fourth largest city in Arkansas. They have a great county fair in Springdale Arkansas. Now, the publicly traded stock Tyson foods and they're the biggest meat company in the United States. Yeah. Ticker symbol here. They kind of went basically went simple tsn. It's actually very chickeny. We wish they would've done W I N G wing or T H I thi- you had the. Nam They could've done be, oh, any bone. There were so many options. The thing about Tyson foods from nineteen, thirty five when they were founded to two, thousand, sixteen, the MI industry experienced this much change we're doing by the way I wanna can't see. Jack. Is doing nothing. He's basically doing nothing now since twenty sixteen neck, it's experienced. Much. Change is expressed his arms very wide right now, this is like a lifts, worth change knackers. Tyson foods is looking at the food menus out there gluten free Vegan cheeseburger. Yeah. That's a thing. Now, a thing KFC's doing three D. printed fried chicken, which we gotta assume it's probably better for you than the regular fried chicken. McDonalds has plant based happy meal, which Tyson exacts. Think is an oxymoron now if you do the all ancestry. Test of Tyson foods. It's coming back. One, hundred percent. Tyson. Under present is food. They've had the same CEO, Tyson guy for the past thirty, seven years. Now, the CEO's boss is the chairman of the board, John H Tyson, who is also the grandson to John W Thais, a founder of Tyson foods and he celebrates. With John are, Tyson, who's John H his son? The chief sustainability officer investors are looking at the ingredient label of Tyson foods and thinking there's too much Tyson here. We're going to need some new blood over at Tyson understandable because Tyson stock is down thirty percent since covert outbreak began yup. Back, in two, thousand, sixteen. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over it? Tyson Tyson just made the boldest most different CEO higher. We've ever seen Sin Akers. Poultry, passionate John Tyson. The fourth taken over at Tyson. They just hired a guy named Dean banks great name and his experience shows were Tyson foods wants to go also sounds like a fake name and his background is all about this googly challenges. That's what Dean banks does. Banks was formerly an executive at Google X Laboratories Division. Yes. Which is where they work on save the world moonshot products like Internet hot air balloons. So when Tyson's asking, how do we feed Feed seven billion people in a world linking resources. They're passing that onto dean. Dean also has experience in robotics because he was a venture capital investor knows how to make some tech investments. All Tyson wants to lower costs by having machines split out like the chicken fibula from the Tibula and is the kind of thing. He knows how to do second category robotics. Banks was a venture capital investor who knows how to make techy investments. Yeah, and it turns out chronic. Chronic covert outbreaks in meat factories had been causing many shutdown healthcare. Third Big area for Tyson banks was the CEO of a biotech company before Google. So he knows how to kill a virus or to CMO not chief marketing officer, Medical Google Challenges Robotics healthcare, these are the questions needs to answer if a guy named John. Tyson, the seventh will still see something called Tyson. Foods Jack in your whip up the denim free takeaways force over there. Tick Tock will either. Either get acquired will be banned by September fifteen, probably going to Microsoft, which would just make big tack even bigger. Tech second-story covert is a major crisis for Levi's. So the CEO is doubling down on everything including physical stores for our third and final story Tyson foods just promoted outsider to CEO for the first time ever is bringing a resume attack health and automation expertise that Tyson desperately needs now time for our snack back today this one sent by. Billy. Lovely mastic beach long, island. Billy's actually looking a little further out on Long Island. Yeah. Because MONTOC is where the highest grossing seven eleven in America is yes. Reading out the other seven, thousand, eight, hundred, seven elevens in America. Now, according to our buddy timmy who according to his linked in is the king of Montauk. These statistics are both correct accurate and he's a contributed to them and get. This is not just MONTOC. There's something about, Suffolk. County before most lucrative seven elevens are all in Suffolk. County Long Island. New. York. Each patch Southampton, Farming Ville, you follow this whole list, just fantastic. Public School System I. think that's what the parents say the. Public school systems, fantastic beaches, and great twisted is. At seven. Bath in runs on Dunkin Long, island lives on Levin. Now, before you head out quick happy birthday to Marcelo from Brooklyn new from Nepal and Maria, vitale from stillwater Minnesota and happy birthday to a WHO's turning thirty one in Dhaka. Bangladesh Morita just turned thirty in Washington DC. Then the three for one in La Happy Birthday Rebecca Danny and Paulo last. But not least Andrew harshest. For Maryland, happy birth snacker when you're seeing your friends when you're chatting with anyone asked them h. y. h. y. s. d. have you had your snacks daily on Long Island will see you tomorrow if you know you now. This Jack Island, stock of Amazon, the Robin Hood Snacks Podcast, you just heard reflects the opinions of only the hosts who are associated persons of robinhood financial, LLC and does not reflect the views of robinhood markets, INC or any of its subsidiaries or affiliates. The podcast is for informational purposes only is not intended to serve as a recommendation to buy or sell any security and is not an offer or sale of a security. The podcast is also not a research report and is not intended to serve as the basis of any investment decision, Robin, Hood Financial, LLC member Finra. SIPC.

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How To Increase Free Testosterone, Elevating Deep Sleep Levels, Ideal Estrogen Levels For Women & Much More (Special Q&A Episode!).

Ben Greenfield Fitness

1:20:23 hr | 1 year ago

How To Increase Free Testosterone, Elevating Deep Sleep Levels, Ideal Estrogen Levels For Women & Much More (Special Q&A Episode!).

"Degree in physiology bio mechanics and human nutrition, I've spent the past two decades competing some of the most masochistic events on the planet from seal fit kikoko, sparred nego- g and the world's toughest mudder thirteen ironman triathlons. Brutal bow hunted venture races. Spearfishing plant foraging, free, diving bodybuilding and beyond. I combine this intense time in the trenches with a blend of ancestral, wisdom and modern science searched the globe for the world's top experts and performance that loss recovery hormones, brain beauty and Braun to deliver. You this podcast everything you need to know to live in adventures joyful and fulfilling life, my name is Ben greenfield enjoy the ride. Oh, well, Hello. I actually have a little bit of apology to make to you. Not enamored with the audio quality of today's podcast episode. But the content is frigging through the roof. This is actually part two of the precision medicine conference that I attended in spoke at down in Kentucky. And so I spoke I gave a ninety minute presentation on blood and biomarker interpretation. If you missed that podcast episode, you go listen to it's over at Ben greenfield, fitness dot com slash Kentucky. That's been Greenville fitness dot com slash keen to not spelt, the nice both Unie, even though I said Kentucky. But today's episode what we did the evening after I give the presentation was myself, and for the physician sat down and did a really comprehensive Q and A from the audience Bowie did the Cuna during dinner people are eating there was like civil war clanking the audio. Wasn't great. We weren't like hooked pilaff. Mike. It was just one camera with with an audio feed. But I thought what the heck the information? So interesting that I think I think you're gonna learn a lot. I mean, we we talk about nutrigenomics we talk about genetic testing the apple e gene for Alzheimer's. We man we win deep. And here's the thing though, whenever it's a podcast like this where you may have to turn up your volume or maybe make your make your ears a little bit more sensitive. This might not be willing to listen to all your Panin, Wayne the treadmill or working out the gym, maybe, you know, press pause and save this one for a walk or a time when you're able to focus a little bit more. Because I personally think the audio is not that great. But again, I wanted to give you this this information. So I hope you find this helpful and because it's going to be plenty of show notes links for you from this episode. You can go to Ben greet thinnest dot com slash Kentucky to Kentucky. 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We're gonna fi. Hi there. My name is James, and I'm the editor and the producer of the podcast. And like Ben said in the intro to this show, the audios a little bit wonky. There was only one microphone picking up pretty much everything. And so I did my best to get all of the extraneous noises. But in particular, the questions that were asked by the audience where particularly difficult to here. So what I'm going to do is just listen to the questions, and I will record them and insert them into the recording. And then you'll hear the panel of experts answer the questions for you. Here we go and joy. Up on the panels world yourself, you're talking a lot of healthcare providers here. So this is not about us as experts Thome, you things the discussion anybody headed any here. I'm gonna go ahead and go through many questions, specifically the end station. How been feel about the chilly pad long-term sleeping degrees about unit. I'll come to stick the hair gel. We'll talk. Yeah. Getting something next to your side view aware of any type of thirty lectures, e that might be kicking off their own meters. Use like an acoustic meter, for example, assignation that I also IRA of building biologists podcast guiding the riot with with did build biology now how much. Here's some like a like fat or any marver unit like that in next to the bedside and chilly at by the way to a map circulates, cold water or all our want whether the top sheet with the idea being that if you're chorus cooler will use deep sleep level or a senior sleep lengthy, intriguing vision sees improved. What what I have is a power strip next to my bedside for a few things I do plug in front or night. I use one made of Belkin, and it's it's as its own built is trysofi filter. That's why do I just plug everything into that everything else in the bedroom is off, and it's you know, it's not as good of these like kill switch your bedroom. Just turn everything off something more literal, his raker everything off or or kill switch stall. But use that after. Belter and doesn't pretty good job based off of it. So, but that's the way that I do things and some appliances like what's actually like a bio map, for example that like has its own Christie filter built into it. The lot of companies these days found the buyout Hackensack holiday. They job building in some dirty like filtration. It'd be looking for villain biologist or zero intoxicated Kentucky of your deductive frustrating shift to bring someone on Bill import of bring somebody in. It's kind of frustrating. But if you building a house of the word, the chilly, Pat, also, I one my life and one thing of argue temperature at night. Someone just asking is chilly for people not to get to one to two different temperatures. It produces a little bit of sound. You don't like sounds. It's going to be annoying. I don't like sounds actually meld minds of my little bit of sound so increase in light noise too. About getting one. Just I I got one for Jessica. It's never been used. For me. I kind of liked aspect of it. But it's actually it's actually really thick. So whenever sleep on side at side seat rooms me because. To to to sleep on Princess view over. Guy stood good for each Louis. So. Couple more from Vince presentations, being do you think GPL's Michael toxins are not valid lease PlayStation clarification on green. It's not that one. Yes. You only reason I mentioned Cyrus has not because socking food allergy testing. Could you wanna get raise them at once? But Great Plains doesn't get into your mind. Yeah. Just to another one from Ben's. Then you mentioned three point eight thyroid is no reviews. Good, but not awful didn't figure out optimal levels elaborate is and should be visit Masada mouse TSA JR. In range zero point five to two hour. Extenuating Ormeau an image three point as value be considered normal. But that I consider as far as ideal reference ranges there. There's a lot of places you can find him. Dr Mark Hyman has a pretty good. Downloadable PDF on his website. Dr Brian Walsh presentation, mo-, say's records ranges are also very solid. If you if you go to just about any functional integrate medical practitioner, somebody rationing presume medicine, my easy is they're using ranges that are more appropriate in eighty four or not just having some disease, but actual elephant. Then you mentioned Colostrum on your podcast if you take lost on empty stomach. My understanding is you won't raise your idea this, correct or missile. Heard that I mean baby man, will you the costume grows involved? I don't I don't think that it's on empty stomach. I it's not there's there's difference. But there might be that on I'm on aware of Volta midly loss. Drink with gut is great Bill antibiotics. Great leaky, gut scrape trying to put on muscle or Greece girl. Vacher degrees implication got but I don't use it year round. Just because it is such a potent idea reverser, you don't wanna stay in that cost state at all. Being so going in for my Mike you care to ask them what he thinks is the. What? So what is the idealistic? Dial who's Minna falls? Edged. I'll. The thirty two to hundreds pre-menopausal with imposing of some of that question. What about Oestmann Apollo? At the logic. So questions physiologic should basically two zero. The debate is and what do you do about that should you replace its own just doesn't. Yeah. Try to sit back to basically Friedman also levels we're trying to your team. So there's so many there's so much confusion. We'll replacement therapy. A lot of in general to wounds initiative said it came out and that one of our people often placement therapy. And after that. Plummeted as the primary research study, basically said increases your chances for painter and many other diseases, but on reenact people a lot us be great and actually study even getting involved congress about problems with that studied. So this is a really complicated question. And correct me if I'm wrong without V H R T was dollars. Like, you know, here's your biomedical. There's there's some debate around room as well. But instead of giving you a vinyl rancher there what I recommend shortage vintage on here is the book estrogen matters is a great entire on the on the topic of listen there that's resource league. Want to two and a half hour version, the unity has great my guess, the authors of that that's a great summaries was due to be a little over now. So if you get into those art general loss is that if it does increase risk for some things like breast cancer are which just completely debatable say decreases, the risks or some of those things that's all even in. It doesn't increase it a tiny bit. They wanted to percent the quality of life that it gives women post. Is probably worth that. It's complex question Nancy between patient and clinician. And it's a lot of shared that is going to increase your risk for these things. How is it going to my all the difficult question? We general do replace moments for women because. Just adds a lot of quality of life, and may or may not increase or decrease certain risks based on all that you love study health initiative. The big stay a lot of money on it randomized CBO controlled trial there. Other other studies contradict Redel look estrogen magic you want a much long ranch on that. But in general, not scared to replace forms for involvement, really, Bruce fall, life or shared cheaper. Mitch. How does this? This is a great question. I ask it it into much DIVY and out of the sense of spirituality, and spiritual practice playing Elton wealth. Allude jewel. Maybe sixty seconds. Such a big question absent some rebel. Absolutely. No station yoga on these things actually change the expression lower cortisol sleep cycles, you know, even stepping back we'll out park biological fence. They do. Gratitude. Practice will increase your level of inva- few towards. You know, you know, that the zones almost every single one at some relatively higher, hours spiritual. Practice may be spiritual wraps are also tied these like fast and meditation some type of routine so in my opinion. The hell history won't basic planet. Or by the spirit, how spiritual cannot be. Cannot be sauce. But the four years of medical school, and you get zero not just training zero thoughts on this is such a disservice because it's a use far of most people's life Jin knowing up after an adult, and it is extremely important. We grew up try to dress this to encourage imperative as possible on push in certain religions, spiritual belief of it can make a tremendous difference of health. 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Instead of copy the half life of one or two our health for the Kito esters like about a bad, I sleep because my was up in act something ri- early on next after the copy may try to esters Earl of nicotine guts gush or on the next the same thing. But said of doing that, which is basically giving me it's ethnic Cise Kiev production, you know, getting stimulate. Just like you would get just so simple sorts of stuff in terms of in terms of how to manage it from a lifestyle standpoint to decrease the risk associated with the thing that I'm most convinced about is to not alter your diet and the rest of your your life outside of your outside. So if you are all of all night, whatever reason don't that. While you're up all night. So stay to your regularly scheduled of changing or or whatever is altering your your rhythm. Try to try to stick to your regular daily habits in terms of eating exercise and rescue sleep best. You can't outside of that time off. 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The Starman/Manhunter Adventure Hour Episode 30: JLMay 2020 - Manhunter14

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The Starman/Manhunter Adventure Hour Episode 30: JLMay 2020 - Manhunter14

"Before I start to show off proper couple things I want to say I wanNA give special. Thanks to you'll shag a your wine a little bit so during the show talk about the OLMEC. Put The six issue series. I forget who shows that was on after the recording. I got looking and I found out that it was the first of the show Maggie John Shaffer James. I guess as John's Nagy whichever does shaver. Hanes is married with comics. Makes YOU CHECK OUT THEIR SHOW? It Kinda Seora Lucy. I think ties into this anyways. That's enough that it's going to start to show wait back. Nineteen Oh my name is Aaron Moss and the Star Man Man under our presented. My head speaks. This isn't hours-long podcast. We'll talk about the willpower starman comic and the Mark Shaw and under comic from early eighties nineties. We'll talk about every parents of these two great characters if you've ever read them or read them in a while is a good time to explore these issues. Now let's get started with our first comic welcome back star hunters to thirty of the Star Man Manner. Vich our this month. We're looking at the books well. The book came on June nineteen ninety. Hang on a second. I from vibrate. Elo Hey Aaron Shag. I was wondering. Have you finished? Jail may episode fear Starman manhunter show yet. What are you talk ask for sex involved over? You Know Village. United remember but you also volunteered to do manhunter number. Fourteen Kate Spencer Book Remember. I think I would remember signing up for crap. Right. I'm sorry. Could you repeat that a little bit? Louder and Lemme recorded so I can play for rob. I never get tired of hearing that son of hey language. Remember I'm the irredeemable. One now regarded the episode. Whatever you do just make sure it's good you keep blaming me for starting that show so it needs to be great finally recording. Hey record with me I guess you. Kinda forgot about the lawyers and the restraining order. I haven't you. You're lucky lawyer even let me call you to remind you about this. Episode IS Z. Thanksgiving Shag. I no problem. Just quit blaming me and Bailey your podcasting addiction and Man Kate Spencer she's hot Before shag brutally interrupted me. Welcome to the Starman manhunter venture where if so thirty or this month around look at the jail may twenty twenty. This month were joining in in looking at number fourteen. But before I get that let me tell you this Every may a bunch of podcasts. Get together and we talk about usually something justly related and we call it jail. May this year we're looking at the? I believe it's called road to infinite. Crisis is the crossover before the crossover and over on the task force X I looked at the villains united books me and Derek Debussy Great Time and apparently I hear do the man hundred number fourteen. No this wasn't the mark. Shaw manhunter done that one. This man hundred fourteen is the Kate Spencer manner book so go ahead and join up a fat This was part of the crossover. The information on the like I said this was man hundred number fourteen. The cover date on this was November of two thousand five. The on sale was timber. The twenty first a two thousand five the cover price of this was to fifty. That's right went to two fifty by this plane. The title of this was called Manhunter. Part for the devil inside the last part of the man man. Man Hundred mini series within series. Or whatever I may look at this book later on once I'm done with the star man not quite sure yet if I'm GONNA get to this book or not but this is the fourth part of that writer was Mark Andrew Oke. And you're so my that pencil. Javier Pena Anchor Fernando Block Letter Travis. Land colorist Steve. We should Idaho editor Joan Lady. The covers done by a suit says and this was re manner trial by fire trade paperback which came out in two thousand seven. So as I said. Here's The synopsis. This is the final part before part. Manhunter story line buddy. Mark Shaw volved with it. So it gives me mortgage soil. Doesn't it this this series? This issue starts out with Cameron Chase and some guy named Dylan's beating down the street looking for Kate Shot Aka the current manner. Then we cut to an old MAC one. Nine six six blasting both Kate and Marcus Sonics as K flies out the window. You'll matt grabs marked by the throat. Talked about eliminating manhunter tech. Kate is able to climb back onto the ledge attacking though Mac giving us attention slowing marked attack from behind the attacks. Both of them again blasting Kate off the ledge lands on the truck. That chase was in earlier in the story. Cameron Chase who was part of the. Do Cheddar own book for a while. Anyway she tosses cates manner mass to her as Kate Rushes back in to save. I car manhunter but with Mark Shaw here and then both be mad. Hundred hers hate names. Mark meanwhile chase US Harpoon. Gun that are associated Dylan previously liberated from the Black Manta in lieu of payment. The scale the building to help her friend. Kate starts checking MAC or she's covered a human being. In case in the armor power knocked ecocide worship the human in armor is someone named Harold meanwhile mark. Let's Kate know that the ALMAC is trying to get something that is inside of mark himself. Kate bashes demand in her suit. I'm sorry Cape. Bashes the MANHUNTER staff on the BAC destroying the staff as mark. Pull something from his neck and stories that having both pieces of manhunter technologists right. They'll match turns and leaves the battle. As Kate. Dillon a bleeding unconscious mark. Flee the scene. The almost said a man on a car that Dylan seem to recognize from somewhere. The story ENDS WITH KATE. Getting Dylan to let mark busy roommate within the Kate. Say GOODNIGHT TO HER SON. And after the boys to bed her and the man. That kid was staying with sure he is start making out and that's the synopsis for this so as I usually start to cover this. We have manner logo. It's got the Omega Project. Talion stamped on the front of this. So what it was back. In two thousand five there was this giant eighty page giant thing called the countdown to infinite crisis. It was kind of like a crossover before across over because the main Krav over was the infinite crisis this led up to it. It was a big book. Blue Beetle's a big feature in the book in also in the Book. There was a tie ins to like four mini series. It going on at the time. So countdown or countdown. If in crisis would become known was eighty pages of comic like I said it was priced at one dollar much slower than most books which like at two two fifty three dollars somewhere in there again. This was to get people into it. This was people to buy the main book which then hopefully by the series and the Spin Offs and all that as I said. There was four mini series tied into this. The main one was the own project which are buckeyes into there was the day of vengeance which is where the beetle confronts the searches. Am There is the reigning ran. Thank our war was mentioned on page and the main character civilian united or feature single chapter but again villains. United was the book I covered or on Task Force X. So if you want to hear the the village united coverage with me and their of their. Wc Did check out the task force X podcast episode fifty. And I try my big fifty episode. Episodes part of the jail may twenty twenty crossover also Internet facebook and other places for this look for Hashtag. Jail may twenty twenty and you find a lot of other shows should be most of those shows that tie into it on the website which is S. M. A. H. Dot Het speaks dot com and also on the facebook page which. I'll talk on Georgian group which I talk to here. I will have a big banner for analyst. Most of this the podcast that are involved with this so look for their May issues or absence issues anyways real quick before I get on with the story line then he talked about the facebook page. I was talking about up until now I had a facebook page for each. My I cast is time consuming and I have some visitors. Not a whole lot so to make things easier on me. I'm doing with all my facebook pages and I'm going to have to facebook groups. I've got my gi. Joe Royle Merkin head cast and. That's mainly the podcast and Jijel stuff and then have the head cast network Facebook Group. So if you're by podcast especially the STAR and Manner Richer. Our ray of them head on over to facebook and look for the group head cast network also mentioned hero. Quick if things work out right hopefully in the next month or so. I should have a couple more podcast starting because I've got too much free time my hands. Apparently I guess life exactly what of my hands Michelle she I pod cast with me. She really enjoyed it so we started a couple of do podcasts or in the process of starting them one of them is called retrospect the eighty s or me and Michelle look back at the nineteen eighty s a great decade. I was a teenager. She was young young lady. You're in that time period and we talked about anything for us. Our other podcasts. Our second podcast. Where starting is the star bright project which is where a me and Michelle again. We looked at the TV. Show quantum leap again from the late eighties early nineties. I'm bid quantum leap fan. I've watched every episode multiple times. I own the DVD. The BLU ray sets Michelle's caught an absurd. Shoot here there. But she has a watch. You don't watch it religiously. So she's going to sit down and start watching the show starting very first episode. And we'll podcast about it. It's mainly me and her. Were ask some friends showing up here and there check that out also third shogun and he started is voyagers. Another time travel. Show this one from the early eighties. Nineteen eighty two only last one season. So it's a twenty episode Maxi series. Podcast I guess but again wages not as much quantum leap because it wasn't as much but I watch every episode voyagers. I loved it. Michelle's never seen the show so she's GonNa sit down with me. We're going to watch episode episode everywhere back to you is and those will be coming out. On Thursdays of the month my main shows are still on every Tuesday of the month except for Bravo team may be moving that over to Thursday's also so I was a show every Tuesday of the month Anna. Show Thursay them but I guess enough about that. Let's go and get into what we're here for less tough manner so as I do. I'm going to start the cover. I said that or ours that project tie in so yes. There is a series one of sixty. She called ALMAC project. I forget he's doing that off. Hand check interwebs for that one. I wish Kate Spencer on the Front of the book. She's got Mark Shaw's staff that he used to us and she's fighting this. This giant looks like a giant Olmec a nomadic before it's a humanoid creature it's all blue. It's got an eye in the middle of its chest. It's Scott no features on its face. Except when I in the middle and it's got a Mohawk type thing run down the back of its head. So that's a no Mac again. There was a sixty. She mini series. Go on check it out as far as skin. Further factual books jumping like this. I do this team out in two thousand five. This to me was not a great era for I'd say. Dc comments but both marvel and DC. In general I was starting to fade out. A little bit. Wasn't cry picking up quite as much. I just got remarried. A couple years later we'd have a child and we move and I would stop by comets altogether but this. This wasn't the end. But this was starting near the end for me as me and I think Derek over task force X I liked the at crop better just because I'm more of a guy but both DC. Moral had problem at the time back. When I started reading comics in the late eighties through the most of the nineties they would have their main titles all that. And then you're in the summertime. They'd have crossovers usually be the annuals like the get in two thousand one crossovers with all the annuals mar will do the same thing at a certain point in the early two thousands both marvel and DC. They were basically moving towards a couple of things one writing for the trade. I don't necessarily like that understand that they're going to bundle these all up but they've been doing it for years you could have and I've played heads needs. I think you could have like a two issue than a four issue. Gathered trade paperback. Or have you under. You don't have to write every single story line as a four six issue for the trade. That's my own personal beef with it. But yeah they're running for the trade so a lot more. Their stories were more connected again. I like hot new. He went done properly but I think they got out of hand in the started like the late Nineties Roy. Thousands got got up and everything was talking and everything and I read most of the books and so it was hard to keep up with the other thing which Kinda ties in the same thing before like I said the other crossovers in the summertime they would have been your storylines. Sometimes they would crossover. I really enjoyed those but at a certain point outweigh or it. Seemed like it was a crossover. Since identity started another crossover start another crossover and they got to the point where they had a crossover and then like this here. The ROAD TO INFANT CRISIS OR COUNTDOWN CRISIS. They had a crossover before the crossover so got crossover. Happy Li- joy good crossover. I basically. It's referred to as event fatigue lot. He'll got this earlier the night yet. Again on a geek in DC fan so I was able to take a little bit more but yeah eventually I think I said fatigue as got tired of across all the time again. That's again part my opinion. That's one thing. Dc both dead wrong instead of having you know six to eight months of rug restore and you can have some good stories in that time and then having three or four months or whatever of a crossover were even like every doing in the early nineties on the annual crossover after crossover got burnt out on it. So that's one of besides not having the money because I got remarried. I had a kid a couple of years later. Had the money for all the comics I used to buy so I have the money. Just he just took it out of me so I. I don't think I think that any of these crossovers. At the time I read them all later in trade paperback joy ball overall but again it was just at the time. This came out in two thousand five. I was hitting event fatigue. I was just getting tired of event after event so I missed. A lot of this was happening again. I did read all these miniseries later on. I did get the page. Giants a joined that and again in any page horrible happens at most Comic fans the time don't like to happen or they. They in their head candidate happen again. We're on that Go over to get in front of the show Michael Bailey knowledge for the show. God One of the Joe his Woodshop show was again. Oh Michael Michael Bailey's views from the long box checkout episode to sixty nine. We look to the jail. May Twenty Twenty Crossover countdown to infinite crisis. That came out last of April which kicked off this and again before I continued the book. Let me say thank you very much to Mr Bailey for inviting me to be along on. This is this ride again was on last year back on this year so I really enjoy playing the other. Great podcasts. Out there they'll have great shows. I recommend checking them all out if you have time. But thank you Michael for declaring the sandbox with you so let's go back to the story so we got manhunt on the cover of Kate. Spencer manhunter I haven't covered her yet. So yeah she's got a red costume and again we don't get a lot a great shot at Hershey's kind of on the side looking up at her. She read costs UNISOM gloves. A white shoulder pat and some white stripes on its she's using mark the old baton that use which comes into the story. So it's going to get my thoughts on this so again. This story starts out other TALKED ABOUT IN THE SYNOPSIS. With cameras. And some guy. I don't know I assume he's big in the series but against it and read this series again. I wasn't a big fan of this man on her book. At the time I just to open the Mark Shaw Book being canceled and add another book before. This wasn't oh yeah came out zero hour. Which wasn't a great book. I picked it up but I was just done manner by this point because I wanted I realized Ron he was in this book. Actually for a while So there's this guy driving the truck with Cameron Chase. She had her own book She was created by John H Williams third. Who actually interesting little side. Note at the end of the Episodes I have my copy comics. Comic right talk about the comic books account that month and it was based on Lonnie Cox Comic Shop Cobra. Comex I books at least go there religiously before he got bigger as he was beginning. Big John Williams was right. It was actually working for lawn. He was helping with the book organizing his warehouse and so you know couple of times on one of his first books which was a twilight zone book but he's he was amazed I had down. He's I forgot about this one. But it's just a little side fact. The yeah he actually created chase and he did a lot of work on a lot of the big books. That DC marvel so cameron chase. She worked for the. Do Department of extra normal operations that fact. They're both the truck and they're they're looking for somebody and we have dylan his head off cargo. I think she is and chase like how I call it. A hunch as we got like shots other truck speeding down the street either blowing through a stop light off in the distance we get it. Looks like an hills with a big explosion. Would we cut to the Big Explosion? Which again as we said. This is the fourth issue of this little series are. Here's whatever in the book. So we get KATE'S PENCE. Our Buddy Mark Shaw being blasted by an OLMEC and exist. Actually one nine six. Its activated as he's blasting both are heroes and we title paid ban hundred part four the devil inside our credits again. This is a really nice page again. The the our work on here this is. I don't did entire series off looking at later on if I decide to read this series for the podcast with the Air Pignon. Pin You Negro was Fernando Blanco. I don't they were there. The entire time or they came on layer but for some good artwork didn't pick I picked it up the first couple of issues but I don't think I got into it just because it was our sean. I just wasn't ready for another up. I Dunno by joy this issue and so I may go back and read the other ones. But let's talk about this issue so we go on and I talked about synopsis. Kate Kate Kate gets blown out of a window and she's wondering who's Mac therefore urging in or or Shaw and she's hanging there by the ledge idealized. I do know one thing. I am really frigging sick of being thrown off tall buildings so apparently that was her motif or something I guess again. I read this series but I never check it out because it's interesting actually self backup. We get a good shot of the old Mac and he's facing down with mark. Shaw who's cringed in the corner? And he's got a different tooth. Tony used to have when he we? Don't get a great look Eddie here but we will in a few pages and again. I lost track of after his series ended. So I don't know what got him from point. A. Point B. But again I may have to look into that more wants the starman series. I know Marchetti for a while after that so I am looking back to. You is on that. But anyways Tope K. jumps over the LEGS K. One I also sudden. I'm not sure if the I. Shifts or going. I can't quite big the artwork on that the manifest from and without turning around his eye appears back on the side ahead. Mohawks Mohawk switches around. She's like Oh crap that well just because again that's superhero bannered. What does have to do? And so there's little more fight fight against the great work. The manhunter is he's looks like he's either blurred or slightly out of focus. I'm not sure I do remember the ducks and we'll get the tendon story but yes I'm not sure why I think maybe supposedly computer images order something. Make look more technology if you will work. Got The proper but we shots them fighting and then we marked jumping up to help out as I said he taxes behind these. Like what is this another Duma's plot so again? Duma says you remember was was big in the demand hunter series of we covered. Not sure who this Almac is was doing so again. He's rightly questioning. Yell is do nothing else in again as I said kid gets blasted again flies in. I love the dialogue in this again at the falling beyond him so I did a great job in the dialogue on this book. And it's really again. I don't know why I didn't stick with the first time after correct. Read this series. And then we have dylan and chase Karen Chase. Driving up toward the explosion came from and to come up with the house. They're coming to is on a giant pillar. Changes like what is this. Thing in. Dylan's House. What kind of more on builds a house on a stick enter cakewalk earthquake country? So I believe this was sad in either San Francisco or la. I forget which was now by like going. GonNa Morons going to build a house on a stick because you don't know California. I'll probably not paying attention but apparently to whether the earthquake capital of the world. We a lot of earthquakes here for House it's Has recently advantage aftershocks here. But don't have earthquakes when I was growing up. The joke in quotes was that California major earthquake a major faultline right down the middle of it and everything west. The fault line was like California was gonNA fall off in the ocean again. I've been hearing that sense. You know the seventies and have Napa jet so though if it did happen I would have some nice real or front property and was also going back. He was also a major plot. Point in Superman the movie back in nineteen seventy seven. Lexington was going to detonate a nuclear bomb on the fault line. And 'cause after happen again through man was able to stop it but at that forever podcast. We're not on the right for the no great movie anyway so as are buzzing through the fence to get into our defensive driving the open gate one of I think kate or I'm sorry chase saying is there a punchline to not just cut off as we see. Kate's mentors body hitting the front of their truck and that's quite a distance so again. I'm not familiar with Kate in this manner book. I'm a sitting that I I believe. She's an ordinary human to suit. I WANNA say again. Don't quote me on this so I'm assuming the suit is got some sort of Protect the field or something help protector. Because she hits the truck and then she gets up and Cameron Chase. She knows Kate Kate. She has her masculine camp. I don't have this looks but I can explicit Shaw's upon lengthier gang. He's unsure of his actions. So you this part of the story lines have been going on. Kate says I know that she looks like she has her mask on at this point but she earlier so extra hair never mind. She didn't know yet. She's at this point because chase throws her man in her master and so she catches and used the the power baton to fly back up to the room as the the. Oh Mac is lighting up. And he's sitting wires out to plug into Mark Shaw head and around face and everything a lot of computer talk here locating in for cranial technology microcircuits Blah Blah Blah but jargon. There sure the dome looking for something again. Kate use the power button to blast him and again as k comes and she we Thaba loans. Which again as certain point both Comic Companies Stop Doing Saab Balloons which I don't like I like the thousands in their best again in front of the another show. So she's saying the whoever wants own thorough at one shaw dead there who it is. I feel like blow stuff up now and so just blast the robot again. We've got outside to the building on a building on a shower shower that as another explosion coming from the room and we get chased down. Here talking Guy Dillon. And how are we supposed to get up there? Jet Packs like well. If you'd ask before we left the house then curves back in his truck. He's got a Harpoon gun and he says that apparently you used to do some work to assume from what I'm getting from the dialogue and this book is that Dylan used to be a psychic or not like it takes for heroes entrant. He's told the bad guys because she made a joke about him you know. Did he used to dry for the joke or something like that and here? He said he did some work for black. Nanna got paid for the paycheck. That's just that's kind of funny thing. He eating is last paycheck. It's just funny. The NIA super villain like Black Manta. For instance like any of them paying their minions like paycheck. I you've seen their their biweekly paycheck on down the Bake Kale here paycheck from Black Manta. But the heck just struck me as funny here with show bounces. Who's GonNa put on that one? But Anyway Dylan apparently snug into the warehouse and he took what he owed him and quits. So that's why I said earlier in quotes liberated the spear gun thing and he's besides either ones come in handy like right now as you go up and again Kate Spencer she works. That's wrong one. Sorry Cameron Chase worked for the. Do apparently she was like FBI or something she's like I'm work and they'll like didn't they? Teach Quantico as she swings away to help her friend GONNA kick his little ratty thin getting cutting out of this book real quick. I did read. He chased book. I have had most those issue tech. They've got a couple of because say it was created by John H Williams the third and Lonnie. The Guy would get him to sign books all the time he worked on. I come in box most of the stuff that will be signs. That was really cool again. My digressing again. Though so chase gets into the building and she's looking around for shiner gun in looking around for what's going on as attacker with vines or some ropes tendrils. What are coming out swinging. What's that sound air conditioner? Austin Kate tackles are get down. Her gun goes off and then mark on the ground. Kind of beat up and batterings like I am doing what what I say that I'm blood. The Paul Oh God. What's happening to me so you can tell from here that apparently since last time we saw mark he's not been quite control of his functions. He's got some sort of doing programming. And that's why after research and I WANNA cover. We're having to mark after his own book the right now. I'm discovering the storm in portion and as I said I have my wife sitting here watching going and she's cracking because that's what she does because I didn't mess things up a lot and she saying those are probably cables coming out of the MAC which actually makes sense since he has a computer said. She competed high-paying robot fired him. It a little bit more about that. He would be capable of some sort either net or and I guess but some cables allows the computer to to connect up to a human again for more no project. Definitely check out the series on this on the jail. May Twenty twenty crossover so though Matt Grabs Mark Shaw Gin Again K. Tries to help. And she cuts into the own Mac and cheese blow coming out so she's realizing that the person inside there and this kind of touched on briefly earlier the oh Max they are. It was something there was the MAC trimming brother. I was something that Batman created. Help and keep tabs on everybody because at this point he was paranoid back. God had planned for everything we created. Brother I to to help keep it on the world at some point and he and I ever read this in decade and a half. So don't quote me. Don't quote me on this. But I believe Maxwell Lord we find out over in the countdown to crisis took over Bri and he started taking olmecs metal Lord shows up and he's a big part of the countdown different crisis. He helped leads up to all this again. If you door Mac China again. If you're more on that Devon goat checkout Michael Show. He did a great job. He had SHAG and about other codes covering the different sections. So the other saying these Max there are people that are somehow I guess capture something converted and when they get a certain signal they changed from an ordinary human and he gets his cyber armor or something around him they all look the same and so Kate's finds out her arm or her weapons can hurt it so she judge her hand of the. I breaks apart human face in there and then chase shows up and she. Apparently I don't remember this from her book because it's been two decades I've read. I believe it was but apparently just sort of power. And she said my head's buzzing here comes again and she the blast and the Oh maxing didn't unidentified met in proximity warning electro-magnetic. Override again. I forget what power she has exactly something to Romantic. Electro-magnetic rarely W and that was good book. I enjoyed that. Remember events all between here and there but she's again takes out the ALMAC temporarily and we get. I believe it's chasing that someone in Herald is inside that thing and so yeah so it is chasing what she's wondering who's working for a check made up to its old tricks again for more checkmate. Check out my task force X podcast uncovering the original checkmate written by Paul of good for the show and facts. Won't Perot quick. I recently got a book from him. The fiftieth issue which ended the series. He wrote and he signed you to earn the network was great issue. Great Series Appalled Degrade Governor talks with over Taskforce Axe. Anyways that's again. I'm digressing again. That's what I do in this remarkable as I stopped on the synopsis. Let's Kate know that it's not here for him. Specifically wants something inside of him and Marseille were win for the government. They they made them the manhunter they did something to the implant. Something inside of linking him and the staff be the member of it. The piece or coming back like the government's and again from the next dialogue. You can fill the. She's basically saying you know would do anything like that. How Cute Your Kate? Chase each day so surprised that syphilis back salt black soldiers. What's a little superstar concerned friends in the center fighting this fight it again and as a Timeout Synopsis? As the the Olmec goes for Mark Shah more of his armor here a green armor. He's got some yellow shoulder pads he's got a white mccall a BIB. The talent beverage press made on it and it's got the believe that was the Duma smark from back during the men are series. Always come across. So Kate Wax the Omega on the back of the the on and she keeps track until the baton actually breaks and then start smashing the destroy completely and we see mark reaching by his head to his neck and he's ripping similar circuitry out. He's like you want to take it as he rips it out and no marks walk own axes. Both piece of technologies terminated eliminated destroy. He's like Omar one nine six mission completed and he takes off into the sunset. S- saying that I had worked. You will trigger a man hundred technology. So I I if I do it. Apparently shy the same idea and get high desert. Talking in chase is like that's really smart of you. Kate's like you say smart. Say Blind Luck. God I want to cigarettes and finally get Dylan. Chronic rope again. He was just a lackey. Wasn't a super villain. Climb up the rope and he climbed anything against the community dialoguing here. I like it. And they're taking loading mark in the back of the truck. He's like you know. This guy has a bleeding hole in the back not paid to talk on spending the truck like action. I'm not paid it all back. And she asked me for a shirt cover mark talked about they take off as the COP. Show up and Cameron Chase calling director bones. Who's in charge of the drums was a number of Infinity Inc o? J. I forget his name now but he's got translucent skin so here's his bones and is touch touches deadly or something like that against been awhile actually seeing bones but I actually. There's a serious problem. She has of project drive away. Dylan's ask you know. Are we taking shot a jail? She's I know you're what didn't kill a of other man hunters in case like this of course entirely his fault the turning circumstances he's like wait because again. I didn't really care much about Kate. Shaw didn't really read her book but apparently case was a prosecutor as day. Job Manner Job so tells like we met you're supposed to be a prosecutor now defense attorney and you kill bag is explain myself to you. Besides you'll get to play with whatever we're technology is still in his neck really awesome about Nia. Synopsis Egos Pulling out the All sideswipes guy got shaved head glasses moustache. Logan t looks like me was me He's I am screw. You why God sorry it's real apologetically sees the guy and Dylan just kind stares back in like he knows who he is in fact he says you're sitting installed bloom. I know a guy from where and K causality so I don't know if this is covered later in the book if I showed up in this book earlier in the series again in the future but apparently doesn't sort of tie between me and calling me and Dylan say within the story. Dylan's nothing pizza and Greg's and hot wings as we get shock coming out the bathroom bandage on his back snack. And like Mr. Your way carry feeling. It's mark like my head is a whack-a-mole game now semi the Del. Ref which again this is my shows. Those Bell Red is were the task force x the suicide squad is located ran by Manda. Waller this was two thousand and five. I'm not wise in chronologically where it was that. I don't think Amanda was in charge of disappoints but I'll not sure on that. We'll be covering that someone the future over on task force x out of the suicide squad and so as still leaves the Room K. Tells Karen Chase saying that normal? Yes not so the best thing to do. Our government's acting odd unusual talk about a little bit and a lot of dialogue here like and they have no idea what is protection of the meantime. He's basically live with Dylan in fact as because walking back in the room. You know mark sworn what's going to happen with them. He's door doorway of. I got I broke have is actually. The closest has honored yellows closed. So he doesn't have anything like so. I guess with everything. I have to be naked expert in Kate's case. Like I wouldn't worry too much about that. I can new route house may does new HOUSEMATES COPE LIKE UNICORN. Wallpaper roomy again. I haven't read this book. Why he's got Unicorn wallpaper not going to answer and then say we get a house and he of this guy is his Peter. I don't know if he's an ex boyfriend or husband or ex husband or what to Kate but her son is stained with this guy right now and she comes in Tucks into bed and synopsis He a Tux in the bed. Next the kid he's got a a little superman and a Batman bust. The is vague. But there again Superman Rephrase Classic. Superman is recognizable. They kind of again in my opinion method of the new fifty two when they got rid of the trunks. But that's for another time but there's video you can see now on blue red trunks and local yellow shield on his chest. Can't be no one else but superman by some sort of. I'm assuming it's a bus sort Batman. Where and why has Batman Bust? I don't know that's interesting. Issue with this guy shutting the door and she saying she's been a good housekeeping lately and that's why she sound like real mom and kissed starts when her clothes off and the door shuts to continued which we're not going to cover that book but anyways that was man hundred number fourteen overall. I enjoyed it. I guess I don't know why didn't read the series begin with back in two thousand four megawatts yes? He doesn't four when he came out here. Picking up the first couple of issues that for some reason I just didn't stick with it. It may have been money wise. I was a little tighter. And this didn't make my cuts to relook examined this book in my thoughts on it but that's for another show another time the future we're going to really good. I like the I. I know I read the. Oh project in trade paperback form later on but outnumber much about that one. One podcast on the network on on the network but on the podcasting fringe during episode on this. So definitely check that out. I still have some links I have in the show notes. Ability guys thank. I really enjoy it again. This was not as good as villains united but again that was more my alley. That was yeah task. Force acts basically suicide squad type stuff so freely. Good anyways a few minute break here to get some water some soda wherever you need and I'll be right back with our next segment. Let's all go to the. Let's all go to the. Let's all be the storm in Manhattan adventure. We'll be back after these messages. I hope he's home Why does it sound like I'm using a phone in the I told you never to call me again? Yeah I know in modern sciences yet to create a device to measure how much I don't care look getting the trailer for this year's jail may together. I assumed I had to make you a part of it. Since you're always everybody's trailer or something. Well look at you leading. This year's jail may somebody's wearing his big boy pants. 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We can mention the new folks joining the network and all the shows. I could talk about how we'll continue with our firestorm show and I want to be sure to plug my movie show film and Water. Podcast what about you? I think we should definitely record a promo. I'll mention how the secret origins podcast is joining the fire and water network. And then I'll introduce my newly relaunched shows. Give me those star wars and power of fish nets the black canary ends Atanas. Podcast SANGA DO Chris. Absolutely I'll mention the show I record with my lovely wife. Cindy supermax has been wife gas. We should probably also mention the power records. Podcast Robin I do too but let Jesus well sure I can talk about. My Ensemble showed the lonely hearts romance comics podcast and my new upcoming shows about the DC comics crossover event invasion in. Yes Oh hot move. Shag you think we should mention hero. Points the most occasional DC heroes ruling podcast. Sure fly not and I can talk about. Who's who the definitive podcast of the DC universe and mentioned my new upcoming show Justice League International La podcast. Now here's what I'm thinking when we record I'm fine being the first person talking. I can explain all the changes to the wait a minute. Why do you get to start the pro? I'm just as much a part of this. A you are. There was my idea to create the foreign water. Podcast back in two thousand eleven. I should start off this. Promo I kind of think. It should be one of the new voices who kickoff off the Promo. It'll shock the listener into attention. If it's not rob shack on makeup to people in the network plus you know ladies first so we should be the first people talking on the Bravo. They've William don't you what Alagoas Frithjof stop it. You're like boys with toys. Let's just make this simple? We can tell the folks at home. The fire and water podcast network is growing in two thousand sixteen. Several new shows are joining. The network will have a new dedicated website. A twitter account and facebook page and folks will be able to subscribe to each individual show. Are All of them see now? Was that so hard? Fire and water podcast network available soon through Itunes stitcher radio and fire and water podcast DOT COM seriously shaggy. You had to get the last word. Then you took welcome back definitely check out. Those shows. Check out the GEL. May that Howard crossover a after minute. My show task course x the village. United love that series of greats but he is the most these series were pretty good one point another so definitely check out all the crossovers check out all the shows up. Well if you don't have the next segment we're going to go ahead and look at comics. Comedy this for books that came out September of two thousand five since he this is. This was the month that this came out this before answering through it as I usually do together. Starting I'M GONNA mentioned. There's one hundred bullets number sixty five again. I missed the series when it came out but I did read the first couple of Trade paperbacks actually enjoyable series me off from there there was absolute Batman hardcover. I didn't get the hardcover. By had the hush series or the hush storyline more action comics. Eight thirty one. This was a villains united talion also. This month was adventures of Superman. Six forty four with ten on the cover against more on Superman checkout Michael Bailey. Jeffrey Taylor's from crisis a crisis. Superman crossover or podcast. I think up to this era of Superman. Stop also for more on the village. Cover this issue but the United Crossover talked about checkout mother showed. We've from there. There's all star Batman and Robin. The boy wonder number two. I picked the first one of this in right nor by this point to go off the rails Thomas that amazing fancy number. Twelve Marvel Amazing Spider Man Number. Five twenty four moving on from their command thirty four again from Ron. Check out the fire and water. Podcast and their whole network of shows Archie five sixty again. I won't read our as younger but the books but against Archie. Five six mentioned that there are several archie books Jug Ed Books Archie in Powell's global all of that stuff out authority magnificent Kevin Number One. I believe this was ruined birth. Ns I had this much myself. Do not actually to. She's got this month issues. One into of authority. They may sit magnificent. Kevin and be honest with you. I don't remember what about. I think I enjoyed it. I was enjoying the three time again. I got an authority later. But I picked of the trade paperbacks trade paperback The serger crown. This I'm thinking it is. I guess I could click on and look and see getting real quick. Frankly this is all. Come from Mike's Amazing. World DOT COM. Mike does a great job on all the comments from the different eras and what the credits and all and again. Yeah this is from the the crossover from back and eighty nine was. This was one of the marvel crossover so again I enjoyed out what I remember but again much at this point. Sixty eight Batman so five Batman strikes number thirteen that man Wargames Act. Three Trade Paperback Batman. Gotham Knights Sixty nine that magic on high number six that measuring tonight to Ben is. That aren't one hundred five. Wow there's a lot of Batman this would batman was very popular and again from where I'm Batman definitely. Check out some other podcasts. Out there some some from Trenton English. Where you guys from some friends of mine again. Michael Bailey has the overlooked dark knight. Podcast were him I'd live. Andrew Leyland Looks Different Batman Books and then there's also from furnace show Ryan Daley and Chris Franklin the night cast where they look at all the different. They're looking at the Batman books from post-crisis up until they get tired of IT I. I don't know how far they're going to go with tonight. Cast their up to episode number. Twenty seven looks like the last one. I'm seeing on here again. A little by Naral my podcast. But I really enjoy what Chris in Ryan's doing on that moving on from that. There's some Bra Betty or Veronica books from Archie by a couple had a series of looks like wreckage twenty six at this point while birds of prey number eighty six much better than the godawful. Offline just started watching it. I bought the birds of prey movie. I'm maybe a quarter a third of the way through it something like that and it's a decent harlequin movie but a horrible birds of prey movie one out later. I guess moving on from there. There's a black panther books black widow blade blood of the demon number seven. I was enjoying that. Were not mistaken. Blade Mary Trade Paperback. That was a helix. I believe title. I remember picking it up but I do not remember what it was about her nose. Vertical Book It was Vertical Book in Persia Regard. Venice anything time but I remember what that was moving on from there. Reach number nine again. I read a couple the breaches. I don't think. Read the entire series. The breed twas a adam slash firestorm analog and the main reason. I'm mentioning this besides being a firestorm analog firestorm designed to the countdown to infinite crisis. I'm not she's covering. Our family is known really keen on Jimmy Ford on that one but is there moving on from there. There was Catherine America number eleven. This was the rebooted title over on our with the restarted. It can again moving on from there. There's Kowloon number forty seven. We had sitting heroes number five Olympic important to these books. A city heralds was based on a After what it's called him. Org Game that Jacob by the computer where you playing a superior. I had to gain when I started playing within kids in life gotten away citing. I play very much but I really liked the idea because again superheroes awesome CONAN books get into daredevil number seventy seven this is part of the Marvel Knights play. It looks like Moving on for mayor there is day of vengeance number six again adventures one of the crossovers for the countdown to crisis someone on the out there. Doing a podcast on our is off hand. But as you work paraffin this busy. We want a detective comics. Eight eleven ivory mentioned the both Ryan Chris Franklin show and Michael Bailey. They both got by shows up. Sure One's going to cover this at some point. Possibly moving from there there was doom patrol number sixteen. This is a rebooted Duma troll by John Byrne again to me much like Frank Miller. John Byrne was bad about because I love his earlier work but all his artwork similar. I just couldn't get into this again. It was the original. Do Metro brought back to life for again. It was part of the whole tied into at some point tied into the imminent crisis with. Yeah they're playing back to live with no word wise like the first came out even though there was new patrol. It's really weird. I picked up the first couple issues. Eight really stick with it. I mean if looking at further. I don't know anyways Dumitru teen moving on from there. There's excels number sixty nine and seventy in also trade paperback for the Tata Exiles Again. I don't remember picking up but this should have been at my alley basically some x characters you time are throughout different dimensions in visiting different worlds from I remember right. I've got a digital read. Haven't gotten that far now. Time FOR ANYTHING. We'll see Fables number forty one odds picking up that that's led the old fairy tales and stuff in a modern world a fantastic four number five thirty one fantastic four presents Franklin Richards number one fanta were three so this was during the time of Morrow. They're doing their house of. Am crossover partner. Endless crossovers moving off from there. Fire firestorm number seventeen which ties into the the countdown prices again. Shag and rob or covering issue. Seventeen eighteen because again they tie in to the United so definitely checkouts Shag. In Rob's show fact check it. Looks like he was episode. Two forty four the fire and water on cast a Gel may the firestorm in occupant crisis. Tie Ins to definitely check out there so they did a great job on that. I listened to that when our eighty a great job guys moving on from there there was flash team twenty six. This was the wally West. Flash NEAR THE END OF AS Roma stake in there was ghost rider number. One a new book that went up again. This was one time. I almost every DC comic at this point I was starting to drop off. She tired of things cuff essential number. Thirty five greener on number fifty four so by this one green lantern cores recharge number one. I believe it was a mini series. Has Guy and Kyle on the cover hochman number forty four to two to twelve in English House of M number seven over marvel got one on the cover also cover for that hope visionaries peer David Volume member to the trade paperback. This has the Wolverine on the car with his claws out. We see the Grey Hulk in structure number one either moving on from there there's identity crisis hardcover by Brad. Meltzer said about that. The better incredible hulk number eighty six This part of the House of him in credit invincible number twenty six. I wasn't reading at the time but I came back and read. All these books laid actually a good series. I really enjoyed that one. Ironman him number three going on Jalen number one. Eighteen Angeli one thousand nine hundred. These were infant crisis crossovers. And they were talking and everything going on at the time the time after the recent identity. Christ I talked earlier. Apparently Xanten mine wife'd for light lamentable. Thanks to sue digby and she breaks you buy why tend to make him forget what you make become a loser and they are paying against the teen titans and stuff and apparently against boilers for this crossover. The infant crisis in all that. You're where this reveal the jelly books. Apparently she also mind. White Batman comes out again that's part of what ties into the emphasis and the The village United Book. Also that that's one of the main impetus LINEAPP book Jelly. I say one eighteen one nineteen Jelly classified number TWELVE JELLY SYNDICATE ROLES TRADE. Paperback moving on from there. There was Jesse Number. Seventy seven which was pointing. Some great covers a by Mr Alex Ross. Great painter artists were young. Call them he in great work again and he's not. My favorite person is because he wouldn't he fires her own personal problem with the me. He's a great artist. There's also Jesse costs fight number three because you can't get enough. Gsa US some jug had books just limited number thirteen moving on from there. We have let me see here Real Quick Legion superheroes number ten audrey. Because I enjoyed it there was also manhunter number fourteen. I've read that somewhere recently. Oh yeah that's what we discovered. There was adventure comics before event has four on its and also marvel adventures urban ventures fantastic four number four there a marvel adventures flip magazine number four but should same cover and then there was a marvel ventures spiderman number seven and then a marvel flip magaziner over four. I don't remember those Marwa night's four and Redo Marlin Spiderman when I'm sorry eighteen moving on from there. We also had one of the books about this month. Moving on gives the ones I don't care for it say about mutant. Utopia X number. Three was part of the house of X Crossover new vendors number ten again. I was reading at the time. It was decent new of injuries. Eleven new thinner both ninety three. This was I love the thunderbolts for the first thing was eighty issues. The change order the fight club thunderbolts. Which I didn't care for for flight. Five issues in they stopped it in. He was Fabiani causing and Tom. Graham back to the classic intervals so as picked the new thunderbolts. Once they got rid of the fight club junk new x men. Eighteen real quick new. Thunderbolts doesn't look like it was a part of the house of extra line. Skipped new voyeurs number four. A new number eighteen which was part of the House of X. Night crawler number ten net. We number one twelve going on there. There was only project number. Six that was wrapping up as we talked about earlier project. I wasn't a big fan of this book but for mentioned because it's outsiders moving on from there there's a punish your twenty twenty five the next series which was there was a punisher volume hardcover. The Max series ran thank our war number five again part of the the lead up to countdown to crisis when crossers. I mentioned earlier else hears mentioned earlier. Robin Number One. Forty two moving on from there. We had runaways number eight. Which was these rights? Allow those trade paperbacks. I enjoyed those. That's a mini trade. Paperbacks could probably still have been see there there was century number? One wasn't a huge fan of central for that. I don't know about that rubbing the wrong way Soldiers Garden Number Four. This was was grant more. I want to say revamp. The seven soldiers from the old times in a new series hit or miss. There is some soldiers guarding before. There was seven soldiers. Mister Miracle Number one going on from there. There was a shadow. Hawk enjoyed shock getting at this time some showcase presents books are getting into that. There was bond number one fifty at stopped buying small by this point. I believe there is a handful of very coverage for that spider girl number ninety again out speaking of a spider that was great series spider girl. Digest number four was the small books. I was talking about earlier. Spiderman number eleven spiderman. House of number four was he. If you can guess Albatross over some star wars workers the Komor ventures volume four trade paperback empire. Thirty four thirty five rogue leader. Book was getting you those time. But it's Star Wars Guy mentioned that Super Bowl number two This was the revamped Supergirl the came out. During the Superman Batman storyline of Comic Superman to twenty one which looking at the cover on that one shows the reverse Flash Amazon BIZARRO and this is part of the village. Talion lots high that recall off hand and now that I see my remember but Ireland mentioning these on my on my Task Force. Act Show just because I don't remember them offhand. Main issues in the jets across overs with it. Move Not Superman Batman twenty two. That was the series where supergirl reappeared before. That and the next booklets here the Superman Batman supergirl trade paperback that reprints at Storyline Superman. Am I thunder number? One Superman birthright trade paperback. That's where they tried doing. A redo of Sudan's origins mid KANU hand. That Marvel Max Series Max. Light had a supreme power Perry Number One and Supreme Power Hawk Number One. I would the supreme power series. I don't remember I picked up these these issues now. Moving on from there There is teen titans and outsiders secret files and origins. Two thousand. Five number. One again teen titans was stopped at this point. Ultimate fantastic four number twenty three ultimate irony number four ultimate secret number three auto spiderman eighty two eighty three sixty three awesome to eight a Lotta books again. I read some of these on and off my middle son. Steven was a big fan of the ultimate Spiderman. He has a lot of those books was it was. It was my Benda's mistaken. Am I main problems? The ultimate Spiderman was. He took a lot of the original stories and what happened. Like one issue that would stretch out the four six issues with different modern times and you different things with but it was a lot of the old stories stretched out long which I thought was I was waste but again this was the air writing for the trades became a thing so we do Moving off marriage was In English Uncanny X men four sixty four part of the house of extra line of vigilant number one. I didn't pick this one up. I may pick up the first issue beginning. It wasn't the Johnny highlights edged to dark. The our work and there was a mistaken taken was really dark village. United Number Five. I have talked about this little earlier. Foreign village united check out worse x episode fifty weapon x days of future now number three moving on from there ovary number thirty two and thirty three thirty three was part of the House of X. Crossover US AMAC another expert. Wolverine and wondering Craft Novels X-men Number Five Been Colossus bloodline number one expert Kitty Pride Shadow. Ken Flame Number Four There was another book called Y. The last man number thirty seven again. His book off the stands. I did read this later on from the library. I really enjoyed that series and the last one. I mentioned his young avengers numerous over moral so again those were the books melts during the month of September. Two thousand five chapter analogous. There's other books and read off. That didn't have the interest former. Whatever if you want to go to. Mike's Amazing World Dot Com. That's great website laws broadcasters. Use it but that's going to do it for this month and hey just over an hour a pretty good But be sure to check out like I talked about the top of the hour. Top of the show saving checkout mother shows. I've got my new shows coming out the retrospective you should be on the next month or two awfully quantum cat quantum gas. That's entirely sorrow that. The Star Bright Project was of quantum leap and of wagers cast. Which looks at voyagers talk about that earlier. I've rigorous first week of the month. First Tuesday of the month is head speaks. I just finished up to Armageddon. Two thousand one crossover A couple of miniseries along with the panthers getting alien agenda in Armageddon Inferno and then I may jump back over. Talk about the power of the atom series Second Week of the month we have. Gi Joe Arroyo American head cast right talk about Gi Joe. Comic and the cartoon from late eighties early nineties. 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"Wisconsin: Love Finds You" from FIFTY

Sparkle Stories Podcast

21:01 min | 9 months ago

"Wisconsin: Love Finds You" from FIFTY

"Hello this is David of sparkle stories and welcome to the podcast broadcast. This week's story is part of a series of his stories. Stories for a project called fifty stories for fifty states. It's now before you raise an eyebrow and think history stories know that these stories are some of my favorites. Some some of them are true. Some of them are a little made up but they're all a part of a real history of the United States. I chose this one because it it is about love now. Before you raise an eyebrow and think love know that love stories are some some of my favorite kinds of stories this one also has adventure and sacrifice and danger and excitement. It is generally eh for older children. We say usually around seven eight an older because the stories kind of complicated. But it's a good story and it will give you a window so into a chapter of history that you may not be familiar with the story for the State Wisconsin and it is called. Love finds you enjoy. They love finds you a story for Wisconsin. Listen Juliet McGill sat across from her uncle Alexander. While he read the letter she was very nervous for. She knew the letter was from her father. And judging from the look on her uncle's face her father other was not happy. Letters came to Fort Dearborn at most once a week and her uncle had sent the letter with the question to her parents in New York over a month ago for Dearborn was on the Chicago River in the new State of Illinois. Oy and post travelled by pony express across three states to reach her parents home week after week. She had waited waited for their reply and now that her uncle was finally reading it she wished the letter had never come the question. Indeed they had posted to her parents was a question of marriage and she could tell from her uncle's furrowed brow in heavy size. That the answer there was clearly no well. Juliet said her uncle once he finished the letter. The you are seventeen eighteen years old and able to make the decision yourself. If you decide to go against your parents wishes and Mary John You'll have my support as best. I can offer but zero only kin here at the edge of the civilized world. I feel I should advise against it. Juliet couldn't believe her ears. Not Having her parents support was disappointing but not surprising but hearing her uncle say that she should not marry was a shock but you introduced me to John. You said he was wonderful and he is wonderful. Why do you say this uncle? I know Juliet I know he answered holding out of hand. You've had a wonderful adventure venture here in the Wilderness of Chicago. Exactly what you had hoped for. But the pioneer life is not for everyone. Juliet you come from Society Z.. and find schooling and your destiny is to return to that same society now if your parents had been in support of this union that would be one thing but since they said No. I can't advise you to go against their word and cut yourself off from your own blood blood but you are my blood. She said now feeling angry. And you come from the same society. You are a DR uncle and you'll love it here. This is your home and it can be mine to. The two of them looked at each other for a moment before her uncle took a deep breath and smiled. As I said you are seventeen years old so the choice is yours and yes I am your blood and we'll support you. Whatever you decide I ask? Is that you really think about your decision. Juliet McGill was born and raised in Connecticut and then moved with her family to New York when she was fourteen gene. She went to boarding school for the next three years and in her final year she received several letters from her adventurous young young ankle Alexander who had traveled to for country in the West to be the US government's Indian agent to Fort Dearborn and the little town of Chicago built on the river of the same name. His letters spoke of the Papua Tommy. People who wore leather hides hides for clothes and made intricate beaded belts called Wham. He spoke of daring for traders and vigilant army soldiers in how now tensions could quickly rise between all three communities. It sounded so exciting to Juliet who found her ordinary New York. Life rather boring and the young men of New York equally boring. She wanted adventure and was somehow able to convince her parents that a a short trip west to visit her uncle would not only be educational and safe but would give her a chance to see more of the world before for settling down to get married in New York. She knew that marriage was important to her parents and at the time she really meant it she really did think that it would be a short visit and that indeed she would return ready to find her husband and start a family but then her uncle had introduced her to John. H Kinzie for trader agent and friend to the Indians. John was the older brother to uncle. Alexander's new wife Abigail. He was toll. Strong shouldered wore a thick dark moustache. Russian long hair like so many of the for traders at the time but unlike so many of the for traders. At that time John was educated he was well read and he was able to talk intelligently with politicians lawyers businessmen anyone who came to the wild west of Wisconsin territory. Sorry a place that eventually became his home. John Spent a great deal of time working in Michigan and Illinois but his favorite favorite place on earth was the area in the Wisconsin territory where the Fox and Wisconsin rivers met. This was where he did. Most most of his for trading with a tribe of Native Americans called the Ho Chunk or the Winnebago people he not only traded with them but became dear friends with them and learned not only how to survive in that part of the world but how to thrive so. When Juliet met the tall strong smiling John H Kinzie for traitor and friend to the Indians? She was immediately smitten. He was capable. He was smart he was kind and he was also very fond of her. Their courtship was short and when he asked her her to marry him she immediately wanted to say yes but instead she did what most young men and women did in those days. She asked her parents. It's she had her uncle and the letter thinking that his good word for the Union would increase the likelihood that they would say yes. The letter had been sent and over the course of the month of waiting. John came and went to Wisconsin three times when he returned returned to Chicago for the third time he could see that she had received word from her parents. It's not a surprise he said with his wide glimmering smile. A wild man from the Wisconsin territory. He is probably dressed in furs and hasn't even combed his hair. Why would they let you marry that sort of man and then he laughed and normally his laughter was so contagious? Juliet couldn't help but laugh along with him but this time his laughter made her feel like crying. She was about to tell him what her uncle had told her when he took her hand and said the decision is yours. Of course but I have a request for you you before you make your decision. Come with Mita Wisconsin. Just one trip. I want you to meet someone who knows more or about love and marriage than anyone I ever met my guess. Is that after you meet her. You'll know what to do. How could he refuse? She felt that she loved John. She felt that she wanted to be with him and spend the rest of her life with him but turn her back on her family. I was a high price to pay. She thought yes she needed. Help making this decision I'll go. She said squeezing his hand. I want to meet her. And so with Alexander's Blessing. The two of them left by boat and sailed north. Along the coast of Lake Michigan. It took two full days in on the morning of the second day. John told told her a story about a woman that was a revered elder to the winnebago people in seventeen eleven over one hundred and twenty years ago ago there was a woman named Hope Gore cow or glory of the morning beautiful name. Don't you think she was born to the chief of the Winnebago people and was respected for her wisdom at an early age so much so that when her father died when she was only eighteen gene she became chief which is very rare. It was actually quite controversial in the tribe. Split in half over it. Those those who did not want a woman as their chief left and they tried to start their own tribe but it only lasted tanner so a years before they returned and accepted her as their leader. She was chief for ten years. Asked Juliet impressed. Oh she was chief for much longer than that. Said John with a sparkle in his eye and controversy seemed to follow Oh glory of the morning for just like the Dawn. She was always living right at the edge of what her people could accept you. You See. She hadn't been chief for five years before she fell in love and not with a Winnebago uh-huh brave or even an gibb way or pot. Tomi no glory of the morning fell in love with a Frenchman. Oh who said Juliet that was allowed. She was chief said John with a shrug and not only. Was He French but he was a French. Soldiers stationed in Wisconsin territory to protect French property from the natives so an unlikely couple but against all odds the two of them were married. And Josef Sabo Afa Kelly. He was welcomed into the tribe. That must have been a big change for him said Juliet now fascinated with the story. That at first it wasn't so difficult for him said John he had spent so much time by now with the Winnebago and other native people that that he knew much of their culture and he respected them but in time the differences became more challenging nevertheless they had three children two boys and a little girl and very much in love. Joseph respecting his wife's leadership role in the tribe hype and glory of the morning respecting. Her husband's need for contact with other French people. This went on for eight years years until it was clear to them. Both it couldn't last glory of the morning could see that. Her husband was unhappy living being with her people and that it was too strange for him to have a wife with so much power so they decided together that Joseph and and her daughter would return to Quebec to be with the other French people while glory of the morning and their sons would remain in Wisconsin Territory Tori. It was both sad and happy day when Joseph and their daughter left the two. Were still very very much in love and were desperately sad to be apart but they were happy for each other each going to be with their own people each going to the place. They knew his home. I believe that is a very sad story. John Said said Juliet who began to see some parallels with her own situation and she did not like those parallels or it could be considered considered a happy one. He said their love never wavered. Though they never saw each other again they never ended the marriage nor wanted wanted to be married to someone else. Their love remained true. Juliet wasn't sure what to say. Say to this. The story was not what she thought it would be and she couldn't help but have mixed feelings about how it turned out when John pulled the boat to shore and she could see they were now at the edge of a native American encampment. She asked so they really never saw each other again. They did not said John as he helped her out of the boat. Joseph joined the French army the again and unfortunately he died in seventeen sixty during the French and Indian war. Oh dear said Juliet who felt built more and more upset from the story and glory of the morning well. She continued to lead her people through several rule wars wars between tribes battles and treaties with the French battles and treaties with the English and then battles and treaties eighties with the Americans. She became a famous chief of her people and was known for her giddy smile and they say hey the source of her smile was the enduring love she had for Joseph. I love that could stretch across great distances and then beyond death When did she die? Asked Juliet as they approached a hut made of bent and sticks and layers of Birchbark. John didn't answer and instead he smiled and called. Hope it Goiko. I brought a friend. Juliet looked John with confusion and suspicion and then she whispered but you said she was born over one hundred twenty years ago. John raised his eyebrows and continued to smile. Well then. Juliet marveled as an ancient woman came to the entrance and leaned against a thick support branch. Her hair was long thin and white as snow and her eyes were cloudy with age. The old woman smiled with shimmering delighted. John John and said Shawnee law key. John bowed slightly and said to Juliet she calls Me Silverman and then he turned back to the old woman and Said Hope Icho Echo glory of the morning. This is my friend. Juliet Lee et so honored to meet. You said Juliet who held out her hand. The old woman smiled Juliet with searching gaze and then took her hand Juliette was surprised by the strength in her fingers and then was curious as glory of the morning led led her hand over to John. Juliet watched as she then took one of John's hands and let it to Juliet's Juliette obliged and took John's hand and then looked into glory of the mornings sparkling is what saw. Aw Sudesh Coup Nino said the old woman. Juliet looked to John to translate and could see from his expression that her words touched him. She said love finds you. Juliet was quiet. Love finds you three simple words and Juliet. It was exactly what she needed to hear. She never found out. Exactly what glory of the morning meant by those words but she understood them in a very specific way. Love finds. You meant to her that a person cannot plan the perfect love. We cannot make love happen on our terms with with the people. We think we want. Now we don't find love it finds us and in that moment she knew one thing very he clearly. She knew that she loved John and she was going to marry him. The two of them spent a few days with a Winnebago people and though she only saw glory of the morning a few more times. They exchanged no more words. The old woman was much more interested listed in her great grandchildren than in her or even in John in on their boat ride back to Fort Dearborn in the little town of Chicago they they planned their wedding and how they would start their new adventure together for like Gauri the morning and her French husband love. You've had found them. This has been an original story from sparkle stories this of sparkle stories dot com copyright. Two thousand seventeen all rights reserved. We hope you enjoyed it.

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Episode 163: Doug P.

AA Beyond Belief

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Episode 163: Doug P.

"Abia belief is a podcast by for and about people who have found a secular path to sobriety in alcoholics anonymous home. Today's guest is Doug P P is from Halifax Nova Scotia and it's really interesting. I have been corresponding with day. Mostly Youtube. He listens to our PODCAST ON YOUTUBE. Quite a bit and correspond with him in any way at one point He sent an email to me and shared a little bit of a story. And boy we have a lot in common and It'd be interesting to talk to him to learn more about his recovery and his thoughts on how he has evolved through the years in a and the group he started and so forth. So we'll just take it from there. How you doing doug very good Thank you John. For writing me Yeah we correspondence Maybe a month for back and I shared a little bit of myself and I and I guess involved to an invitation. So thank you for reminding me on this. I I listen to your podcast quite a bit. Oh that's that's always nice to hear. We're listening it is it is because sometimes I go to meetings and You know and it's not saying when I started listening to your podcasts I I can. I can relate a loss You know what's going on my sobriety and I'm sure it a little bit of that as progress. You're a lot like me that you started off pretty early and you were in traditional. Aa for a long time and then kind of became I started questioning a much like I did kind of later into your recovery. I think absolutely yes I I did go for that. I- I jokingly call my Deacon version. Yeah it really is. And it's like an ongoing process to you know I was talking to John. H about it and one of our podcasts and we call the deprogramming and I didn't really mean that insulting way but because I'm still part of a I mean I still good. Aa meetings and so forth. But I I do make an effort to kind of divorce myself from the Lingo of a and I and I do that because I just WanNa be who I am. I want to be authentic and honest and speak about speak about my recovery. My experience in my own way my own language and you know it. It took me a while to understand that I that we do. Have this lingo in a and I guess. There's nothing wrong with that. We all have. We all have jargon. I guess at a job or you know so at an organization but but I don't know it just Kinda. I just decided you know. I don't WanNa do that. I'M GONNA use my own words to describe what's going on with me. So that's my even the even a little preparation for this rate like I I would share my story and a traditional meeting and And then preparation for this. I I had to let go a lot of things. He even preparation for this like. I don't think the same as I did before. And there's different topics talk and a lot of what I'll be talking about. I would never share and a traditional meeting. Let alone some of it in a second. We're meeting yeah. Yeah Yeah I know. I've kind of gotten that way myself. Well let's get into it can you can you? Can you start by relating your story recovery and we'll just kind of take it? Let a conversation flow from that. Yeah sure absolutely John Well I did mention I I've been sold for. Twenty seven. Years actually was three weeks ago and celebrate my twenty seven year A thank you and However I'd been around abor about thirty years 'cause early my recovery and this may be a conversation later on I have gone into knows early recovery and if I was depend point why I went into notes. I I. I don't know if I can give you an accurate description. Why aren't again? We'll talk about that later My second meeting I. I've gone to an AA. And I'm thinking this maybe eight maybe eighty nine hours going to Aa for the first time and somebody told me Something that stuck with me till this day and I and I'll share and I met its herring but I suppose I don't mind doing in this one case and made said look you know when you first sobered up a navy eight. But I didn't get in trouble every time I drink but every time I was in trouble I was drinking and A. Yeah so you so you heard that actually you know. Yeah it describes my drinking to T- I had a lot of fun drinking and But it's just those fun times again the disappear and Some of the realism begin to appear and they weren't always positive over negative but the other thing this gentleman told me Is that And I take them on your podcast. You described the the binary thinking you know we get into. I know this is binary you said. You're either pregnant or you're not right. Yeah that's that's my old home group. That he was so yes. Yeah and if you got it and you know and it's GonNa get worse and absolutely And and you know what I I still believe that today because things did change early. My recovery Not Not in recovery but in my drinking and And especially the period. I'm going back and forth and going in and out things divorced for me. Are you know by absenteeism hustling work begins to get really bad and I and and this is probably some of the early earlier problems. I was having Blackouts in absenteeism really dominated a UAE early problems with drinking. I was a no show for birthdays and funerals. Graduations family events and Didn't it evolved a different things? I was incapable of holding down my own place. I I've sprinting pardons at the time and I had no minor repairs rent. It was either problems. you know that. I was getting a between talks. Or if there's a problem I would came to a point. One one point our. I was spending money that had to go to bills and keep the shelter of my home and I. I'll yeah yeah. Yeah and my parents came by the bail me. Oh one time and You know because I told him I I lost money. And I don't know where it weds there. I told my what the garbage and and I was. I dare a literally happened. I I did lose Iran rent and they came by to help me and You know they gave me a big Wad of cash and soon as I saw that a lot of cash. I didn't pay what I should have paid when ot night drive again and it just continued on and on and on. I've actually gotten some legal problems and I mentioned to you on your story. I I didn't get processed through DUI but I I did get caught once. I was asleep behind the wheel but I was near home yet. I that was one of my d you is they gave me to you. Is that yeah? I was passed out on my car and the cops came by. And I and the lights of the flashlights woke me up and And Yeah I got a Dui for that. Because I was actually in possession of keys while in the car. Oh my gosh well. A very different thing happened to me. Which I it's probably bad looking back today but I was so close to home and my I had some friends that come out See what was going on and he let me go and just long as I was put to sleep and and not behind the wheels and I I guess I learnt later the keys. Were given somebody else and I didn't go through illegal protests so Of a delight however I did get process through some legal problems or drunkenness. Dig IT Jonah. Turks for drunkenness more than one occasion and and what did increase over time I did I was being incarcerated quite a bit of the latter part of drinking and was just foolish things I never have enough money for A cab to get home horror. I I don't know it's just endless. Ice Get incarcerated quite a bit from the police probably a last. I would say the second time I began to Getting problems with the medical side of things I was hospitalized for suicide is being treated of depression. And that was in here Nineteen ninety-two Anyway. And My boss come to visit me and my family came to visit me that morning and when I woke up I woke up too many things but that was one life changing. You know what I woke up and said Oh my gosh what am I doing here? This is getting more. I did say that the businesses getting worse however I did go first treatment in nineteen ninety two it was very twelve step aced and there's lots of speakers came in from day and and that's what got me in point on what was your first impression of Aa. I depression of a I question I. I didn't know what the make this I I did I. I did like the stories that assured I can relate a lot You know I wasn't negative. And I knew what the right people that time and and so it was easier integration now for me to go to meetings. I guess it wasn't that I it was the same for me. I mean I the only thing that surprised me at my first meeting was. I didn't have any idea that there was anything to do with God at the meeting so When they closed the meeting with the Lord's prayer I just I felt kind of uncomfortable but other than that the people and when they shared their stories made me feel very very comfortable and at home I really felt like present right place and it did inspire me and give me some hope that things would get better so that was my first impression. Yeah exactly I'm sure it a little bit of that too. I wasn't comfortable with Some of the procedures and they and the time yeah. Every meeting was smoke meeting the hell. Hands. It was the Lord's Kirti end and You know it was God and the steps up from sober. You know I and I didn't resist that. I bought that but I was still a distance from that right because I've I who years of recovery I am. I didn't have a sponsor I didn't do too stacks and I would go to the meetings you know there was no sponsors. No steps all meetings. You know what I think. That's really more common than not. Yeah I ride to but there I think it was my third year. I wanted to Try these steps and everybody was talking about. I'm thinking I didn't feel like an alcoholic until I've done these steps and and everybody was talking about. I think that kind of touches on the I always meetings all time. They're all talking about steps and how it a lightened them as well. Why don't I have a latent right and I got a sponsor probably three years I've been sober and And I wanted to get a sponsor for like and do the SAPS and look back now. I wasn't a life changing moment for me that everybody shares and meetings But But it was. It was a process. I did it and now that and I stood at the end of a doing it all and said Okay. What is it? What's the big miracle is GonNa Happen? wasn't my experience. Did you have the experience of after I did? Step five that that I did feel like some relief from that. I felt I felt like I learned something about myself from that experience So that was good and it did give me kind of like a tool to use later in life as anything would come up in life. I could do an inventory figure out what was going on and what my reactions were so in that sense it was helpful but the steps themselves especially the way that we work them at our group. They weren't necessarily transformative because the steps as I know them now really just a description of the experience that I was having and it was the experience that I was having that was transformative not not reading and doing steps with them with sponsors and so forth absolutely I really yeah I you know back then I believe in a higher power you know I I. I wasn't religious so I I suppose I drank the Kool aid for that too. And I believe in a higher power I believe is the people put. My Path was a higher power. And I believe somebody somebody or something was putting people in my path and So I was just like a chess game. And there's somebody out there that you know they're putting people in my life. You know Jimmy. These options of you know where my recovers gone. You've probably heard me say that. I I kinda I I think I bought into it but I think for me I was. I don't know if I actually really believed what I was saying. Because I I came into the program and was I didn't. I didn't really think of myself as an atheist but I had no belief in a god and I was very uncomfortable with people speaking openly about a belief in God and praying together. That was that was stuff that made me very uncomfortable because it wasn't for my experience but I started. I started talking like you know there. I started talking like everybody else and whether or not I believe it or not. I really don't know I was doing all those things. I was praying and so forth and I think just buried any doubts that I had. Yes I absolutely I I can relate to you know we eventually learn what got the heads nodding after a while and that was stuff we my experience and so I I would never go. As far as saying I had a religious God in my life but I would always call it a higher power and I and I knew what how to gain acceptance with people and meeting and new upset. That of course today I. I don't believe that anymore. That's hard of what's exiting my program today or if you can call a I I'll share when I when I I went back in ninety three. I wanted treatment ninety two and I went back over ninety three and I my first Life changing moment was when I came back to a and I think that was important for me to share. Because I really don't know what made me go back and I I don't know and at the time I wasn't doing a status and I suppose a lot of people arguing say well if you did the steps you know you wouldn't have that problem but I start looking around i. I knew there was many people sobriety. That didn't work. This and I also met people that had you know their first years of sobriety and Maidana steps. I had to sponsor and they went out. I found that was always in the back of my head. I found that it didn't matter what happens whether you did the substrate. He didn't just people early in recovery. Eventually of gone back out for whatever reason and And pinpoint that evening my own experience. I I'm not sure what it was I that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. My second life changing moments but going back to the I I. I realized that everything that was happening. Negative in my life always had some connection alcohol matter what was happening and I especially learned that because I had nine months of absence and went back. Oh discovered okay. I'm just doing the same thing over again. And some of the same things happened again and they were negative. There weren't positive anymore and I realize that. Okay there's a connection to the drinking Have not absolute home back. Code Kinda hoping my mind could did you. Did you have that experience you stopped? Reckoner was just a just a legal or problem with the family of that. Well I think I think with me I I I definitely was motivated to not drink. I mean I because I was just frightened with The the legal problems that I had in my life had become and I was very fortunate that just ended up in a group where there were a lot of people that were my age You know so we could run around together and do things together. And that was really. If there's if there's anything about a that was transformative for me. It was that because prior to that when I was prior to getting A. I really didn't have friends that I ran around with. I mean I might go out and drink with somebody once in a while but mostly I just went out by myself. I'd go out to a bar drink drink by myself and I had kind of a really lonely solitary life so that was kind of good for me to have to have that experience of you know. Just kind of bonding with people. That were all kind of doing the same thing together and it was kind of. Nice because you know outside the meetings. You don't really talk about you know. I don't think anybody was ever talking about God or anything outside the meetings you know. I can really. Yeah Yeah it was only in the meeting. You know where you had a suit up showed up right and that weird some of the things you had to talk near but outside just talk about stuff absolutely. Yeah at work and you had to perform with a policy or something like that right. Yeah so you had actually had a period of time when you actually. You actually left a a an stopped going to meetings but maintain your sobriety t absolutely. Yes I I'll sure briefly What happened I'm I I I I was in Ontario at the time and some thoughts begin to come into my head and I don't know where to begin. I don't know where it ended but I came to a point where I realized that. Hey everybody seems the parrot. Everybody like a there were things I I've been hearing over and over again and for a number of years and you know and I've been through a number of provinces due to my work and boy this message is clear and CBI a unified message a number of provinces. I I also had expel conical back in time Lebron. I was in another province and I was at around on and I heard a speaker bug named Scott Redmond. He's passed on. Novi heard he's popular in the nineties. And the tape cassettes and I did hear a story and I was on a committee and we recommended him and he did come down. And he's Oak and At that time I was in like year. Twelve maybe Sobriety and he shared something that Maybe thank near the of the Known not the beginning. This talk here. He shared that if we had a disaster like a hurricane or a plane crash or something like that you know. We attributes the miracle to the survivors. And we have no mention of others a parish or what happened and I bet stuck with me and I don't know why that stuck with me and I look back now. I wondered you know. Was He part of early? Suckler group You know in the southern California area or something like that. I don't know But I. I began questioning everything from that point on. I begin question a lot of things. Every belief went on the table. Yeah Yeah I had that experience to that was pretty amazing to that was a really cool period. Actually when I did that. Everything was on the table. Everything was up for debate. You know I had to decide what I really believed exactly like I'm I begin sitting in meetings and I discover you know we're giving credit and things that deserves no credit. I found myself in the world and I forgive me. For using. Somebody'S WORDS. It may sound a little harsher. I but I I I found I was in a world of hijacking conformity imperative and what I mean by. Hijacking is if you like. If you got shot nine times you know and and personal lives through the you know I recently heard on a podcast. Not Not in a one. But the another one a credible go to God and we wouldn't give the credit to the surgeon or or natural healing that was going on or just the nature of the body itself and I find when I sit in meetings. We give credit the things You know that I that. From an initial point of view you know if before going a that I will not normally do that but but since I've been sitting means many years yes of course you'd give the credit for the steps or Scott or whatever for a number of things are happening. If I got a job or you know I it wasn't based on Or getting sober wasn't based on anything you know that I was doing for myself. It was based on the of things that you're getting from the ship and I I wasn't. I began question things like this more and more and when I arrived back to Nova Scotia This is like you're eighteen. My sobriety of this is more begin. My sobriety I went to many meetings and I had nothing to say and I come home my wife and asked me a meeting You know if you'd always asked her out just for conversation good meaning I have nothing to share digital. I didn't and I came point where I just felt like a no long blog. I thought I'd below with the original group of people you know that I started aid from You know fifteen twenty years ago and all the people are different of course and the old harmer's I knew were different same in many ways but differ from and not sure what happened and when I went to these meetings and I went to every day I if I had something to say I was scared it was going to conflict with others and if I had something to share. I feared correction afterwards. See that's the point. I got after like twenty five years. I I was really walking on eggshells around that group. These are people. I've known many of them for many decades a couple of decades. You know and I got to where I just felt like. I had to be very careful anytime. I would tip my toe in the water. It seemed like somebody would tell me to get out. You know it was just. It was really a difficult time and but then I got a little bit more bold by got to the point where eventually I realized I don't fit here anymore. It wasn't gonNA work anymore. I could not sit in that room anymore and I just couldn't do it anymore. I just couldn't do it but with me. I was fortunate I at that was the same time I learned about these secular meetings and I started a new. I started a new group and just continued on from there. But if I didn't do that I would have nothing to do with Aa. Yeah I think the same thing happened to me. I think it is about proximity not quite but Proxima two years. I left Aa. I didn't go nunes at all and kind of held my breath and can drink. And you did something similar to me to Listening to Richard Dawkins Christopher Hitchens the new atheist on Youtube. And I did that a lot during that time when I was realizing that I was an atheist so I read the books and I watch all the videos and all of us and it was real. It was eye opening for me. It really helped me. It really helped me think more critically of what I was actually doing. And it put me on a on a different on a different path and I and maybe it even gave me some courage finally to be open about what I really thought you know. So yeah guys weren't talking about alcohol but it was a critical thinking skills that you could not avoid you know and and and just substitute church and put in a it was like wow and it was mind. Opening was truly mind opening. I Yeah I listened to these guys quite a best on podcast and to me. I was the final bullet. Absolutely was was the final bullet from there. I found myself alone in a and not known who to talk to bode some thoughts like I. I just didn't belong. I left I. I celebrate. Remember driving home from work one day. They celebrated my twentieth birthday. I remember stopping picking up the maleness. At t's yeah it's it's Today. Isn't it well no fellowship hall? My wife and I came in and she hugged. Kissed me. And you know. And while congratulations into a part of a you know and and the part of me kind of mistake that day you know. They're the celebrate a west. It's like you have to be in a to celebrate your surprise but absolutely there was a couple birthdays. I had were friends just came to my house. We celebrated at my house as opposed to Name Yeah but you did actually go back in did you ask. Were you actually part of starting a secular meeting? Well what happened is some I I was I was. I was a lonely. I guess I and it was stifling. My second year of not going away and I started going online a lot and saying and I finally punched them a words you know. Halifax A and Suckler and I found one and they weren't less this and right. That's right you mentioned. They weren't tested. Yeah period of time when there was a lot of I guess controversy surrounding agnostic groups especially in Canada those all over Canada perio and British Columbia and I guess Nova Scotia Yup absolutely. I've done some research later on and vote to get US listed one time and I studied a lot of the American meetings and the Canadian meetings. And it's like eighty percent of America meetings. They were not sure why and then about eighty percent of the Canadian means were not less and that was just at a point in time that now that changed drastically especially the last five years a but an at that time I think it was around two thousand twelve thirteen yeah. There was very little listing in Canada. The time and I became aware of what problems they had and trump to follow that closely. I met some people who Slim's breed and judy and they start at the very first meeting For suckler a hell fax and they originally were less than they weren't. Yeah Oh my God. We're going to take you off. This is this is not the so they were on their off very and we spent the next three years fighting to get less at again the so I became part of the group and I started going again. And also it reinvigorated my zest for the program and what it means. Need that and the flexibility that has you know like we can just change the word God or just put big axe through apps than you know. Why can't we do that with other aspects a reprogram you know? Why do we have to follow us a rigid program? You know. That's the outlined in the book. If not in the meetings elect yourself I I went to talk with other people how they did steps over. That was never the same now. I never was the same. Never was I. That was a new revelation for me. Yeah but that's I had the same experience that after I started our group here in Kansas City the agnostics group. It was like I really. I was more excited about a than I had ever been. I felt I really was. I was really into it. I really It came to live for me. Everything about it. I mean just to just have the freedom to think about the steps differently and all the people that I was meeting online and it was just a real exciting time time that I was experiencing. I'm not sure if I'm quite still there though mentally today. How the same. Because there's a lot I dropped in the last few three or four. Five years You know I will talk about my. I would call the third life changing moments in and I mentioned that email I sent to John. H is talking on when you met him in Toronto. I I will never forget that as long as long as I live and I mentioned to you the first time that I heard. Somebody spoke like that about the steps. One thing my sponsor original sponsors long past well he instilled moves concept that service and if there was anything more that I was doing in the program or staying sober hanging out with people service. I I've been part of service for many years. Not Looking for a patent ABAGA. It's just a kind of guy that I was A. We had to keep things going. And there's no knows no facts from what you did you just had to do. And that was. That was his attitude and that was the attitude. He's stolen me but when I went to these meetings we'd always talk about US concept or tradition. No one ever spoke negative about them right right and when I know this is the steps And I heard John for the first time talk about. Oh my God. I was floored but I loved it. I loved it. He spoke at the time. I even disagreed with them. Some of the stuff but Not so now I you know again. It's an evolving process. It is it is it is truly. Was I disagreed with him but I love it that. He shared some negative stuff after being in this program for like twenty years plus and to hear somebody talk that way. I knew I was in an environment of wealth friends and a new freedom and a new happiness you know and because even at that conference I you know I met somebody from San Francisco. You know he said I want his first conference was in Austin Texas. He said When he first went to his first meeting who back to hotel room and he and he cried he had the same experience. I have long term being in the program and then suddenly known that. Hey you know it's different today and here's a bunch of people in front of you you know and You know the think different and we no longer half the keeper. Mouths shut meeting. You know that authenticity You know because a lot of last couple of years before I left. I said nothing. Just SUTTON ABACO. I was quiet and the conversation I was having was people afterwards. When you can let your guard down the be yourself and rather the programmer God or whatever right so I m I also after the conference and trial. I read John Lawrence Book and I. I talked all one out. I read it all and I vowed it and he said some things you know. That really changed my mind. You know bowed abode. What I follow the steps you know what I originally disagree with John Age. I now agree. Thanks so yellow. Balk a you know the first time I ever heard somebody say something negative about the steps and they were in a and it was somebody from within the secular community. I was shocked. I never ever heard it but I mean I was literally shocked. I believe what I was hearing and I was and then my mind I was thinking. Well why are you even in AA? Because I did equate a with the steps. I didn't realize I was doing that but now I I don't mind it. I can hear that criticism. I have even rethought. What they what they mean to me. And it's just it's it's it's I guess it's good to be exposed. I guess what I've learned. It's good to be exposed to somebody who you might not agree with. And it's good to be shocked. Sometimes and sometimes it takes to be shocked for you to begin to maybe think about something differently. Yes absolutely I I. All progress of mankind was based on. You know a set of challenges. You know like I. I'm a I'm a you mentioned. You were wanting university soda and I worked in the chemistry department and in on the Friday afternoons we would sit there and listen to some of these Faces or somebody that they're going to put an article in Journal and I forget my first time. You know this Guy Presents Superman and all seemed like all the professors were all over him. And it's like well no. They're going to put their name on this journal. They're going to be housed on some of these ideas that they're going to present right and we have to look at all these angles you know and I I feel a lax at it. I think we just sit there and say this is good. This is great you know. Are you here for twenty years for them and so I really stands out and just like you mentioned you know if somebody says something negative like? Wow that grabs my attention. You know or if you just spoke about in a positive manner. I probably miss all the words but it's also freeing to. I do feel like I've been freed from. I guess free from Dogma. I'm I truly can. I'm free from all of that. I don't have to think like that. I don't have to believe that. And if somebody throws crap at me like that like someone says you know you need to do this step or that step I just let it slide off my my back I. It doesn't it doesn't apply to me. I'm okay with that but I'm not necessarily anti-static either. You know I I. I see that they have a place for a lot of people and I've I've been in a for thirty. I'm going on thirty two years and so they're kind of ingrained in me anyway. I can't get them out. One thing. I pissed I John. Gets pissed off at me about John. H because in his he hates us. That has nothing to do with them but he writes out his experience and I can look his experiences. Jeopardize staff yeah. I'm the same way to look at everything it's like. The rose colored glasses. You put autorite noodles in the world in that frame. I it's it's and it's only our own experience You know it's it's how we look at the world and how the steps so I did start a group and that was after I went to the conference. Okay trump chasing after the two thousand eighteen conference after the two thousand eighteen conference and it was no disrespect to the original group. But I I love these guys and Gals and I mentioned Judy and she went to trial with me and and she was transformed from experience as well and so when her and I came back I said well I'm going to start a second group and starting the second group like we only had one meeting to go through throat the week and everybody else had to go through traditional meetings my impetus for this was well. How about a second right? Yeah like So I I did. I been watching your podcasts. Quite a bit and you said something that you have a meeting. Every night of the week do hearing Kanthi a I. I can't believe that so I looked up. Wikipedia looked up Kansas City of compared populations. It is the same right right. So 'cause you have your populations but at the same here So I Not so I made all the mistakes. Suckler a meeting I mistake is I did. It can't say it was just myself? I did have other cyber helping but one by one. Most of them were traditional a members and friends of mine. They left hobby within a month or gone one by one. It's just myself maybe one or two other people holding A foreign and But eventually it grew on one person stayed in the group of three to four and afterwards five to sex and recently had a birthday but way above Arizona. We had thirty people for Yeah. That's nice to see I. I like to see that I like to see the room fell because I remember group started and it would be the same thing there'd be three or four of us and now it just it just warms my heart to see the room full of people celebrating their sobriety. Or whatever and yeah. It's it's great. It's also interesting to watch the group change over time. You know the group that we have today because we're going down now in our sixth year and it's a completely different group from where we started. I mean some of the people are the same. But there's a lot of new people too and there's been a lot of people have come and gone and between they have all brought something to the group and left it with us and so it has really taken a different You know personality I guess and what I like now about. My group is that we've got really a whole new generation of people that are taking care of the group and I love that I love to see that and they're bringing a different a different spin on things than I did. Because I came from the traditional a background they come from Noah background so there are a clean slate. You know I have the same experience. Only just fueled as an here. The have traditional a background all new. And what they share in the meetings just scraps of other meetings. I've been to and Most of them haven't heard of the Belief podcast. You mentioned that too. I think they don't Ladell. Don't know what's going on outside of their group that's right. That's absolutely true that that's always been true. I think in a way because the groups being autonomous. They don't really care people don't really care so much about like what happens with the General Services Conference or anything like that and the same thing with my secular group. They don't you know they don't really just focused on their their their friendships within the group and so forth and they're not really interested in anything outside of that There are some that listened to the podcast but sometimes I try not to talk about this podcast or this my website or anything a lot when I go to meetings but it does surprise me that there's absolutely no interest no. It's more older Conventional members you know that are interesting. A- not interested at all so. I mentioned the odd time the Washington DC Conference coming up. And I mentioned the Toronto at the time and among also if an interesting podcast I'll mentioned in announcements I will Just a peak some interests Anyway and there is there are a few but I would say the majority no. Yeah Yeah same here I have. I Two I've met a couple of people who Actually found the group through like youtube or something like that and yeah but for the most part and that's fine otherwise it would be annoying. I think if Absolutely yeah I can't sit there and demand You know that we we watch This everybody's gotta find their own. I'm a which is something I had to do. What we have our own niche And it has some people worked as tall Stutz some people dome and some people work secular steps. That people are finding. Hopefully if there's anything we. The people are finding their own experiences. Long journeys in here herenton having a mandated Orthodox one and and sometimes we get a little orthodoxy but And and you know we have to I if someone just shares her experience you know You know that they don't do the stuff sometimes. We get somebody afterwards of so well. I had to do with steps because and Ed What am I gonNA say? I gotta say otherwise or our. It's I find is it's a very dicey thing to speak up whether your shoulder you shouldn't have and what. I find really interesting about the about these. The people that are attending meetings at Migrelief and I haven't really been going very many means lately but the they don't make a big deal about working steps or not working steps. It's almost like it's a private thing it's almost you know it's like between them and whoever they're talking to about the steps you know and I kinda like that. You know it's not it's not made a big deal and when we do have meetings. The topics are always now something that the person who's chairing the meeting just comes up with. Nobody reads anything. It's just a you know. Whatever they WANNA talk about and I and that's not the background I come from. I come from gotta read something and talk about what you read about. But uh absolutely yeah. Yeah I we. We had the we had to do a little bit of God bashing I. But we got that out of her system and ned today We talk just alcohol subjects and the odd time you know the program will come up you know whether that steps or or lack of the well what I like is we. We do have a schreer atmosphere You know to share other ideas. Which is one of look for people can be a lot more honest about things. I mean at some groups. You feel that you feel the pressure the to conform that you wouldn't necessarily say that you don't work the steps or whatever you know and you'd be afraid to because you're gonNA be offending people whereas here And they people say I don't really weren't steps I don't do that and that's fine and honestly I think that the same percentage of people who don't work the steps in secular meeting is the same as a traditional meeting. I I really think that's the truth but people don't really come out and say they don't work the steps but they really don't have anything to do with them really know you know. I used to sponsor people a lot In I I like ten years or so and For whatever reason people don't want me to sponsor what asked me to sponsor them and that's fine. You know I'm okay with that if I if I do sponsor somebody. I think one reason that it doesn't really last for any length of time is I don't have any structure. I don't I don't lay down like this is the path you must follow and some people early on they do want that they do want that structure in that path to follow and I just say find your own path and let's be friends that's basically my approach and if you know that that's the way I am so I offer my friendship. Whoever might want it? Yeah I I I I suppose I. I do sponsor a couple individual that modem experienced some last five to ten years. Some I'd there I don't WanNa lay Some kind of Orthodox program front of meter however you and John Actually not that long ago how to talk sponsorships and I I think we need more discussions on that but I think both is kind of rejected a Because of what stood for especially traditional sense I do I do. I think it's a bad idea to have a formalized I'm system of sponsorship where someone thinks that they're obligated to have a sponsor that they must have a sponsor and I really hate the idea that the sponsor has any sort of expertise or You know I really don't like that so it can be. It can be dangerous and I've seen it abused at other groups especially you know. These clancy called light groups. The whole thing is sponsored so I think I don't. I'm not like totally against it. I mean I see people that have in my home group who have sponsors sponsors and it's a very loving close relationship in the sponsor isn't dictatorial and the person doesn't feel like you know it's it's I think a healthy relationship and I'm okay with that you know but I'm not okay with Where you're at an age group and you're being pressured to get a sponsor or somebody imposes themselves on you as their sponsor and and then begins acting as if they know what's best for you and they might even speak to you as in a kind of a derisive way that you know you're you're just you're just a little newcomer you don't really know. I just really don't like that at all. So yes yeah well. I I think we have a we. I stuck with the title a couple of examples. I think of the two individuals announcer now. They They approach me an and. I think they were interesting. Some structure at first you know with the steps or whatever but they slowly learnt really quickly or or I stand with that and and there is no structure at all and there's a Probably initial disappointment I. I know one assured you know you to call me up and tell me what we had to do is step so I said no not at all at and hopefully what they have learned or anything they gotta me is that. There's don't believe what anything I'd say You know this is more or less your journey. You sure if you want you know. I'm more entrusted. You know if you have the ability to the free. Think some of the stuff. I'm more interested. In the freethinking side. As opposed to a structure Orthodox mandated side on the spray and so they learnt that and then the kind of step back a little bit but then now today with both we just share. Just talk really and that's all it is So I think it felt that way. In spite of how it may have started owner the expectations coming up to modern times. How is your group handling the covert nineteen pandemic? Oh well We have A very energetic ugly person by the name Pam and we had a meeting just before the ax fell. What I mean by. That is when everybody was seclude. The homeless and and this is our last meeting and we all newish our last meeting. This is GONNA be here. We predicted by next week. We were not going to be meeting. And that's exactly what happened and we had a chance to organize a group what we're GONNA do and so I've mentioned this lady. She said you know I just happen to have an account was and so we were the first Sites to develop in the Halifax area for meetings and a lot of groups. Just follow that pattern and I know I'm looking around now. That's happening everywhere now. Yeah it's amazing. Yeah so I'm trying to look around and see what's going on in Toronto or even in states you know some of the groups that started. I just like to sit in and listen to meetings and far away but I might actually do that The Toronto Group actually post their linked to their meetings On facebook and so forth. I should check out some time. But I've been going to all of our My group's face zoom meetings. Because the I have to help start the meeting and everything. Although now I've got to people who I think can take over doing that so I won't have to be. I'm at every single one of them but I've been at every single one of them and they've been it's been good I I'm surprised that how much I like it. I think one reason I like it so much is that I do spend so much time you know just me and my wife in the house. Now that it's great to see them and talk to them and laugh It's it's it's needed really right now. Look I'M WE Well we We There's a meeting that started in front of him and we kinda health but they became our meeting to see what was going on and a couple of months later they started a meeting so we developed a friendship with a meeting. Vernon et CETERA meeting. And we've been On one another online meeting and and we kinda. This crisis created a positive. Or you know we're we're getting to know one another more online and you know instead of traveling for five hours to another sector meeting you know. We're we're meeting one another getting no one never online. So that stuff interesting. If this all when this is all over that it'll be interesting to see how many of these online meetings continue and if there's some new groups that come out of it online groups you know. This might be a kind of a new thing. There's a lot of people now in Aa who are attending meetings online. Who never would have done it before? And they're probably discovering. This is kind of cool. Yeah I'm thinking along the lines of what you're saying unthinkingly out of this is going to still remain. I I haven't yet. I WanNa talk with some other people from the sucker meetings around Atlantic provinces. Because I know there were some instances where a secular group one at the start in another province but they haven't for whatever reason maybe they didn't have the numbers or something that I'm thinking. The online of meetings could be a solution and we just need to reach out to these communities a long this is that may not have enough people to start on an meaning but it could be an opportunity to attend a secular meeting. You know in the area Something interesting that's happening. Also is there's now because the the secular website they have a lot of Secular meetings online and they always have and those meetings were usually like twenty people. Whatever but now they're like one hundred people show up and they're not all people from secular. Aa meetings from yes. And it's kind of Nice though because it's like it's introducing all these people to Formatted AA meeting and it seems to work for them just fine. Yes yeah yeah definitely a positive them negatives. That's definitely the positive. Yeah people are going to get expose to Sark Lereah. And You wonder if this could be some of these people who have a traditional background whether they believe or a believer in God or not art so you know I kind of like having a meeting that starts with having to read how it works and without having to pray all the time I kind of. Yes. That's right that's right so I think this is gonNA produce some changes in what we see today and I'm looking forward to where we're just beginning to talk about some so well. I sure have enjoyed this conversation tag. I'm glad that we had this opportunity. I'm glad that Because she reached out to me that email that That was great. I wonder if I met you when we were in Toronto. I did briefly I remember seeing. You probably don't remember seeing me. You were in the room. Were John H was having talk. You're not you're recording right because you played around. Yeah you played around his microphone one. Yeah Yeah I was really busy at that I I think. I think I kept myself busy as a way to avoid having to Actually socialize with anybody. I've been doing social distancing for a long time I can relate to kinda comes natural to me. Yeah okay but I didn't get a chance to me but I did talk John H For about fifteen minutes after I dunno remembers me but it was a great about that conference. We've got to meet a lot of people that I I never met before and and dislike when you ride the mayor. You didn't feel alone again. Then suddenly a malone and then. I go to conference on not long ago. We've got the you know meet other's at least a think like us went through we went for so. I'm I'm I'm in-depth two N two minute friends that we met in Secondary I I felt like I've known you for a while because I listen to your podcast a lot and my email. I wanted to engage you in conversation and the back of my mind. I knew he's probably going to ask. Yeah I I'm really bad about Conversing by email I'm just I'm just like because I email all day long at work you know and it's like I don't know man I just. I'm so but I love to talk on the PODCASTS. Yes and I could see. I seen some of your live shows. I haven't worked up the nerve the call in but I will. I'll definitely help because I I especially your your new area of my suckler sobriety. I've been following that quite a bit. We never had a chance to talk to some of the stuff but well. It's a fun podcast and I I. I started that because I wanted to. I wanted to be able to talk about things that I don't necessarily talk about on this podcast because this podcast is so closely aligned with a an a secular interpretation of AA. And I wanted to talk about recovery writ large and all kinds of different ways of recovery and all kinds of different things to recover from and and just just to do that. But you know I always have to bring that a part with me but I really try to tamper that down on that particular podcast and also like on that podcast. I don't have to be anonymous because I I'm really not speaking as an AA member on that podcast so And I like not having to be anonymous. That's one thing I've I've really changed my I don't I'm not as a big fan of anonymity as I was before but I still practice it. Within a out of respect for that tradition. I do that you know but I kind of fall along But you gave a talk on amity point and I I again. It was another experience. I never thought of it not angle. Let me for a week or two. It was like yeah you know. Yeah I agree. I disagreed with me on that. But and that's fine you know. I disagreed with myself at one time. So I'M GONNA well there's nothing wrong talking loud. Oh so that's another episode of amd are believed the podcast thinking so much for listening and thank you for talking with me. It was a lot of her having after those of you. Who would like to support our site? Podcasts he can do so by visiting our website and clicking on the donate button you can also go to our patriotic page Patriot dot com slash a beyond belief and you can make re Corinne contributions. And if you can't that's okay we just do this for the fun of it. We're not trying to make any money so anyway. Thank you for listening to everybody. This is John Signing off.

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Episode 000 - Inaugural Episode

Relationships & Revenue

14:44 min | 5 months ago

Episode 000 - Inaugural Episode

"Nearly every man desires to be a success both at work and home. But all too often. This is not the case. Fear of the unknown pain from screwing up debilitating anxiety that overwhelms these become the norm. Relationships don't follow success. Success follows healthy relationships. This is relationships and revenue these show where real answers come from real discussions about what holds men back in their relationships at home and in business. A better bottom line at work means improving life at home. This show is all about helping. You become a better entrepreneur and a better man. Welcome everyone to the inaugural episode number zero. Zero zero of relationships and revenue and I. Am your host John Ulan? Thrilled that you chose to listen in today. Now most of you that are listening. are here on purpose meaning. You have a reason for listening in today and I'm very grateful that you've chosen to do that, but some of you. Stumbled upon the show or you just curious about the title. So, let me feel a little bit. This show was called relationships and revenue, and it is designed to help you improve your most significant relationships. With spouse. Boyfriend or girlfriend kids, coworkers, clients potential clients, etc.. And that it's also designed. To help you figure out how to take the next best step for your business whether you're a solo, procure small business owner. You're an employee with a medium to large. Sized Corporation or a nonprofit. You may be thinking okay. That sounds fine, but who are you? Excellent question. As I said earlier, my name is John Ulan. In I am an entrepreneur and I have been for about twenty years. I own several companies in variety of fields. Which I will get into and another time. But I'm also a speaker coach author and now podcast. That's just what I do now. Let me tell you a little bit about who I am. I am a single again, dad. And I have three terrific kids. My Son Ethan is in college and my two girls Andrea and tatum. Are In the ninth and eighth grades, and they happen to live in Texas with their mom and Stepdad. That want to give you. Some of the why behind? This show. Because I believe. It makes a big difference. If you know the why the no understand I think better, not only why I'm doing this. But possibly even why and how it can help you only today, but going forward. I mentioned earlier that I am single again. So that means I am divorced, and I have been divorced for nearly ten years. As. Time goes on I will get into more of what that means. Now let me say this. As with any divorce. There are many factors. That Go into it and. I have owned up to my parts of the divorce. There were many things that remind fault in the have certainly lived with the pain of that. And the failure that came as a result of the divorce. But one of the things that's really important for you to know. Is that I have learned so many things about relationships since my divorce. It's also one of the reasons why working on a book and when the book is done, you guys will be the first to know. If you won the title here it is, it's called masculine revolution and the subtitle is how to ask for directions without losing your man card. It's a book about relationships for guys. Not that I think only guys will benefit from it I don't but his specifically aimed at guys. Because I, know the pain that I went through and I. Don't want any other guy or family to experience that kind of stuff. Because so many of the problems that we have in our relationships today. Be They personal or business? Can easily be fixed by learning. Proper and healthy relationship building skills. So learning about relationships is something that's very near, and dear to my heart, and that's something that I want to share with all of you. Things that think not only you will get. A benefit from but I think you will be able to share those same things with other people because to me, that's what makes a difference if the things that I share on here if it makes a difference in one person's life, and that same person is able to turn around and share that with other people. I've done my job. All right. So here we go. As an entrepreneur. especially in my early days. There was so much I didn't know. Oh, my goodness. There were so many things I didn't know. I didn't know about how to approach me about business I. Didn't know how to price my business. I certainly didn't know how to. Make a website. Let alone make it sound good or look good. I didn't know how to talk to. Vendors I didn't know how to relate to potential business partners. Of the list just goes on and on. And I learned so many of those things over the years. But what I wish that I'd had. O. N., just so that you know all those things that I mentioned we will have episodes on those. Were I have? Experts in those errors are gonNA. Come in and talk to us about those things not only that, but also how they are able to. Relate to other people both in their personal lives and in their business lives. Because that's what we're all about here. So. One of the things that I wished I'd always had. was some sort of a guide to show me where to go for the things that I needed. And that is a way that I can help you. I'm viewing myself in the things that I'm doing here with the podcast and the guests that we have on. As, guides guides for me and guides for you. In how to approach life, different aspects of life be that in your personal life or business life because to me. Let me, back up just a little bit. I don't know about you. I don't know if you experience life this way. But. The older I get, the more I see life as. I have segmented life for so long I've tried to put things in. Nice neat little boxes like okay. My work life goes here in this little box. 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Reinventing research  Part Two: Impact, outputs, and the US National Research Cloud

Future Tense

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Reinventing research Part Two: Impact, outputs, and the US National Research Cloud

"This is an ABC. PODCAST. Previously on future tense. With Open Science we essentially mean we want science to be what everyone thinks. Science already is to open system where everyone is working on problems, putting their ideas in and seeing which ideas survive. The reality is system isn't that yet three allies system is that each of us has a bit of insight to what's happening about each other but not enough insight. There isn't sufficient transparency for the system to be self correcting in the ways that we hope for in science. What we found was done in west and the US. So it's more of a stronger leaning towards preparing a workforce for industry as opposed to Asia, where actually they were more focused on shoot repairing intellectually curious researchers or work rubbing nationally prepared for industry. Hello Anthony Fennell here and welcome to part two of our look at future directions for research. Later in the program will look scientific findings and how that could be better communicated with stakeholders particularly in the developing world, and we'll also hear about plans to establish a national research cloud in the United States and what that might mean for the field of artificial intelligence. If. You think about the brain drain in a and advanced. What has happened is in order to have access to the compute power that you need in order to have access to large data sets, industry has both of those plus industry pays more. So those are the three factors that are contributing to the brain drain. This will address two of those factors. It won't address the salaries, but there are plenty of researchers are really not driven so much by salary. So access to these large data sets will open up new science across the board, and this will allow researchers and various different fields to ask questions that could not be answered prior to the Revolution Professor John H. Mandy from Stanford University and he'll join us a little lighter. We heard last week about widespread unease within the global academic community over the dominance of journal Articles, conference papers as the premier way of assessing researchers, performance and status. Well Katrina Manville in the UK has been busy serving scientists about just that very topic and about their hopes and fears for the future. Dr Manville is research leader with Rand Europe. We conducted the study with academics from across England it was funded by research England, which is the equivalent of the Australian, Research Council and they were interested in understanding how research is going to change over the next ten years. I think the important thing to remember here is the research that will be published in ten years. Time is what's being undertaken. Now, the average length of time, it takes to produce an academic articles about four years and so to ensure that we aw, right at. The cutting edge of that, this sort of research needs to be that forward looking. So what we did was we conducted a survey with over three thousand academics to get a broad opinion across all disciplines and all different career stages and understand what they think. They will be doing in ten years time currently the dominant forms of output, a Peer Review Journal articles, and conference papers. Is there an expectation from the people you interviewed and Talk to? Is there an expectation that that change over? Time yes. There is an expectation that that will evolve. Interestingly they see that those dominant forms going to go away but what they do say is that the diverse forms will increase. So already people are using things such as social media content and blogs, websites developing code or software policy briefs, or even podcasts to translate their research and provide the findings to the audience. But what they expect days will increase in prominence in the future and is an expectation that those different forms that don't. Have the same kind of prestige and authority if you like the peer reviewed journals and conference papers have well I. Think the key thing here is that the different types of outputs are trying to reach different audiences. So you want to use different channels to allow others to engage with your research and findings. It might make it more accessible to those who wouldn't seek out the journal Article. You know those in the real world who might be able to implement some of those findings however. Research Papers and conference proceedings of the ways that academics currently communicate within their own sector and environment, and that is what is seen as a valuable currency. So not only is it the way that universities receive money from central government, but also therefore trickles down to being the way that universities assess their academics for promotion and also use it for recruitment. So I think that's why the system is unlikely to change substantially over the next ten years because there isn't really. An opportunity unless dot link between the peer, review papers on the funding is broken but does that mean then that those more diverse forms of output that even though they might be reaching new audiences or bigger audiences that they'll be seen within the system as being less valuable? Well, interestingly, I think that systems are trying to address this. So in the UK twenty, five percent of the funding that's given from the government is based on the wider societal impact of academic research. And there are similar trends in Australia. So in twenty twelve, there was a trial of using impact case studies to assess the value of academic research to why this society and that showed many exciting examples across sectors such as defense health and communities, and currently the Research Council in Australia is undertaking a review of its national assessment, one of which is the engagement, an impact assessment, and that sort of shows how well research is engaging with the end users over set and how it does translate to of impasse on the economy and society. So it's almost that. Agenda continues to grow. Then the value of these will shine through our demographics at play aim this move toward more diverse forms of that puts does this reflect the ambitions skills of over younger more digital savvy said we did wonder if that would come through and we did find that code and data visualization were mostly produced by early career researchers and PhD students. But what's not clear is whether this task is delegated to researchers at this level or whether the skills have been loved by this generation will continue to use them as develop in their careers an. Is the form of future output the way of publication if you like is that likely to influence the content research modest change, what kind of research is being produced or even funded? I think that's a difficult question because the cutting edge research that's happening on the margins is where the technology is really going to be being used in innovative ways. But the current pandemic means the research methods of having to change and technology is stepping in to allow people to continue to do their research or to change different ways of doing it for example, in my own. Work, we've seen that we can't conduct be interviews will focus groups in person and we're having to move them online. It creates different challenges, but also different opportunities in terms of being able to engage with those across the globe. Instead of in a localized environment, we've looked at open science as part of this look at the future of research from your study do see a greater emphasis on open scientists a desire for a great openness among researchers definitely, open sciences a key driver of the direction of travel over the next decade I think it's very highly linked to. Say, for example, often journals will now require you to deposit your data set online along with your article and allow others to interrogate that and understand where you got your findings from and just returning to impact all researches you would hope would want to have as big impact as possible will having societal impact become more important. Do you think full researchers in the future? Definitely I think you need to remember that this is money that is from the taxpayer, and therefore it is important to justify how the public's money is spent especially when part of that poll funds Hospitals Educations, why should thunder university sector and so it's important for academics to think about what the value of their work could be and how they can ensure that it is accessible to those that could take up and use it. When we're talking about the rise of societal impact, it's important to consider what the ramifications are when that agenda is encouraged by funding, which will drive behavior. So for example, there's a need to strike a balance between research that delivers impact in a relatively short timeframe. There I'm talking about twenty years and blue skies research which appears to have no application but can make major breakthroughs, decades or centuries. Later, it isn't clear what the balance is and some argue that is already swinging to fall to the applied side but the governments are continuing to prioritize it, and for example, in the UK they've raised the weighting of the impact element in the national assessment from twenty percent to twenty five percent. Dr Katrina Malvo search the at. Ryan. Europe thank you very much. Thank you very much inviting me. A lot of the discussion on impact and the way it is often framed, for example, in national funding competitions for science and things like that. Even when we're talking about broader impacts for society for often thinking of impact is something that happens that the end stage of research. Assistant Professor of Environmental Studies and Sciences at Pace University in New York. So scientists go out, they do their work. You know they come up with some great finding that's important. Potentially has policy implications, and then the idea is that we could then take those potential implications and findings and bring them right into policy. But that's not how we work as humans. We don't work in this linear. Fashion. and. So that's why we need to rethink impact is something that happens not just at the end stage of science, but throughout the entire process of doing scientific research and I think there's two main reasons for this one is that science in the sense of seen something? That's like you do to get a result but science is really fundamentally a process of inquiry. It's a process of exploration of. That's really what's exciting about science and that's I think what's left out of these discussions of impact. Often you know there's so a lot of focus on. Well, if we just put it in language the public to understand right for if we just made sure that all of our our findings research findings were in translated or like in maybe Ted talks or in documentaries or things like that. But it's still this idea of linear model where the scientists have the answers and they need to just find the right way to put them into the hands of. People who can use those answers. So it needs to be dialogue. It needs to be something that's understood where even just the discussion about what is desired from this research needs to happen throughout the whole process of doing the research, and that I think is what is often left out and not really considered it in terms of funding I've applied for a lot of grants and especially when when we're thinking about how to frame the section on broader impacts, what a lot of the science funding agencies want to see is like an a specific outcome like. What are you going to do with the research right? It's not okay. We're going to fund you for a year to work with community based group to Co develop the research questions that are of importance to academe and also of importance to this particular community and so the problem with that particular issue is then who is defining impact and what that impact should look like do look at research that was conducted in Bolivia, looking at this notion of impact, and also what it meant for local communities could I get? You just tell us about why were? You looking at that and what did you find? Yes there's a long history of western researchers or researchers from the colonial nations of Europe going into countries, previous earlier colonies, and extracting things like botanical and animal specimens for the benefit of the European nations and so that practice still continues today where it's this process of an outsider coming in and extracting information from that place bringing it back and then not returning that information on how many of the foreign researches operating. In that country we're actually sharing the results of their research with locals so extremely few. Analysis, and this was the way I did the study was I went into the archives, the files that the National Park had on research permits and I over a ten year period I found about eighty eight research permits that had been issued. I found the contact information of all of those researchers and I was able to survey or interview about. That number. So about forty of them and I found that of the all of the foreign researchers that I was to survey only one had actually shared the knowledge the results of the research back whether it was a report translated back into the local language or given any kind of presentation or any type of Bolivia and. Knowledge sharing only one and the Bolivian researchers on the other hand about thirty five percent were sharing that knowledge locally with communities. So there was very clear evidence that the foreign researchers to probably base in the US or in Europe were coming in doing their research and leaving, and that was the end of the story was, why is that? Do they not see sharing with the local community local inhabitants of the? Country that they're researching in do they not see that as a priority hesitant to kind of blame an individual researcher I know personally how incredibly hard it is when you are from a different country to find the funding to go back and also the time to go back and to disseminate that knowledge I knew how important it was to me. So from the beginning of my hd process, I saved money to make. Sure. I had several thousand dollars to be able to return but that's what it took. It took several thousand dollars and it took three months to do that research pretty much. All of my advisors were saying you need to focus on getting a job. Now in publishing your your research, you can't be going back to these communities and spending all this time in this money. So everything is telling you in academia that. You need to be publishing and academic literature especially the the top tier international journals. So I can really understand why researchers don't go back because it's not something that is seen as a priority for the system. So really what needs to happen is is the whole system needs to change. You know if this is not going to be a continued problem of scientific colonialism, we need to think about how can we prioritize? This end stage or the supposed- end stage of dissemination or -implementation and think about that is actually part of an essential part of the research process especially for students because students need to learn that that is important and then they will teach to their students as well. Just not involved in bring local communities into the research macho earlier getting them involved while the research is still in its early stages. Yeah I think. So, I mean, obviously, there can also be the problem of you know people get participation fatigue. So it's not that every single research project needs to include every single community or anything like that. But if the goal of a researcher is the have impact on certain issue, certain place, even a certain endangered species I mean, we acknowledged that the environmental research environmental conservation and solutions are fundamentally about human decision making we need. To thank we'll. Who Do we need to include in that research process from the beginning to be able to understand what do we really need to look at who would need to be involved with? We want to change farming practices while we need to work with farmers and we need to understand the way that pharmacy things from their perspective. So it's very hard and I think one of the biggest challenges that researchers. In the environmental fields are often not as well verse in Social Sciences especially in the areas like policy-making psychology and behavioral economics, we might learn about like cultural differences but these are new areas exploration for a lot of environmental researchers, assistant professor and to me from Pace University in the United States, and you'll with future tense exploring the world around us looking for the pathways ahead and signposting the future I'm Antony. Fennell. Staying in the United States and let him now about a proposed new research initiative that could give American researches a significant advantage in the realm of artificial intelligence it's called the national research cloud. Cloud computing is the on demand delivery of it resources via the Internet. You can access technology services such as computing, power storage and databases on an as needed basis from a cloud provider. Cloud computing as we know is dominated by the big technology companies. They huge data centers in computational resources are major part of their power and success. But what if academic researchers also had access to a giant cloud? What sort of difference would that make to their research capabilities? Professor John Echemende the CO director of the shoot for human centered artificial intelligence at Stanford University. The National Research Cloud could be done in one of two ways I think. Frankly right way a wrong way. The wrong way is probably to try to build it from scratch. So for the federal government to set up something similar to what they did when they set up national supercomputer centers and build it from scratch. I think the right way to go is to do it in partnership with existing commercial clouds. So currently, we have some very big commercial cloud providers, Amazon Aws Google Microsoft and others and they maintain these facilities and they guarantee that they're up to date so they are constantly cycling their equipment. So I think probably the way it should be done is layered on top of the commercial cloud as contracts to these commercial providers I would think that the industry because it is in industries interest to maintain the quality of the research and education in a I I would think the industry would want to. Provide sort of the best price possible to the federal government. The federal government in turn could further discount that for the use of university research and university teaching so I. think that ultimately that will be the model or might be mixed bottle where we have you know the federal government buildings, some centers and contracting on top of the commercial web for others. So That's how I envision it, and this is perhaps an obvious question but why is it necessary for university researchers to have access to these huge data pools? What difference will it make to the quality oversight in the US? Well, a couple of. One is that the tradition has been the most advanced research in the sciences. Engineering is done at universities and eventually when it gets a little bit closer to reality closer to commercialize ability, it ends up being transferred to industry or to start ups. And if we want to continue to be at the forefront of technology, I think it's important that university researchers be able to do curiosity driven research in Ai at the forefront in that currently requires a in some cases. Some kinds of research require a high degree of computing so that the benefit to federal government next to the country is that it allows that model where the university researchers continue to push forward the most advanced research things that are not perhaps going to be commercially viable for many many years, and that ultimately feeds the more commercially viable research down the road. The other thing though is very importantly is you need to have the ability to teach. And that requires students have access to computation. So that's one the answer. Let me tell you about the other part of the answer is access to these large data sets will open up new science across the board climate science. As one example, the US government has an incredible amount of weather data and past geological data. It has satellite data than, of course, it has medical data. It has all kinds of data and this will allow researchers and various different fields to. Ask questions that could not be answered prior to the Ai Revolution I have raid over the last couple of years concerns from various people and organizations about a brain drain from the university research sector across to the big technology companies would this kind of initiative at least give some kind of incentive for researchers to stay within the university system? That is exactly one of the things that this is targeted at so if you think about the brain drain in a and advanced. What has happened is in order to have access to the compute power that you need in order to have access to large data sets, industry has both those plus industry pays more. So those are the three factors that are contributing to the brain drain. This address two of those factors, it won't address the salaries, but there are plenty of researchers that are really not driven so much by salary and if they have access to. Do their research at the university they would much prefer to do that one would be in it for the big technology companies to be involved in these big technology companies absolutely dependent upon the innovation that comes out of the university. First of all, absolutely depend on the students that come out of the university. So the largest employer of Stanford University graduates Google we provide them with many many students that are their engineers and so forth. Now if we want as a country to continue to supply people that are capable of doing a engineering or even just AI application sort of direct application, we need to across the country train students in this subject training in this subject does require access to computation computational resources, and although they're not pushing the envelope, they're not doing extremely difficult ai models, require lots and lots of compute power. Nonetheless, there are a lot of students so that a lot of students need access to smaller amounts of computational power and this would provide that. So that all across the country students at universities would have the facilities they need to study this discipline and that would provide a larger ai workforce for industry I. Mean There are concerns that are expressed about the power the dominant pal of the big technology companies having them involved in this kind of national research cloud project. Have you had fees from academics about that involvement might mean whether they will try to capitalize on this? I think if they are involved that is if in fact, this is built on top of the commercial cloud. Providers of commercial cloud services will benefit in the sense that they will have a large contract. So it will be just like they have a large contract from net flicks doing they're streaming. So they will benefit in that sense will be good for their business. Will they benefit in some sort of more elicit or underhanded way because they're involved in this I don't think. So when they provide cloud services compute services to net Flix, they are paid for their services, but they don't somehow control. NETFLIX's. Offerings, and so I maybe I'm naive. But I don't see that that would happen and how would a US national research plan? How would it be organized I mean how would academic say access the data that they want or use that computational power that there might see they need. That's a great question great set of questions and we currently have. So as I say we've been we've been advocating for this. It now exists as a bill in both the US Senate in the US House of Representatives. So, what that bill actually does is it would establish a task force to very quickly within six months or so come up with a recommendation of exactly how we should pull this off. How should it be structured? How should it be Ron? What kind of a discount should be given time on the web a how should that be allocated? So I don't have those answers. This is what hopefully a group of twelve or fifteen very smart people will figure out the answers to those you mentioned that. The. Bills before buy both houses of the US Congress. Understand it has support from by of politics is that correct? So so it's bipartisan bicameral, and hopefully that will help it get through and when do you expect to have some kind of resolution to know whether it's true or not? Well, currently in the House has been attached as a writer to the national, Defense Authorization Act, which basically provides the funding. So forth for the military, it is what's called a writer, which is bill that will ride along. It is not attached to the National Defense Authorization Act in the Senate. So there's now going to be a conference committee and the Conference Committee will decide what pieces of the legislation, how to make the two pieces of legislation. The same we hope they'll do that in this case despite putting our legislation as a writer to, both if that happens, it's pretty much guaranteed that it's going to go through because that bill. Has To pass. So does that mean that American legislators the see a nationalist component to these in there is at least this also about keeping pace with developments in China say of course, it is I think perhaps wrongly, but there is a great fear of competition in a I. I personally believe that this is something that is not a zero-sum game. So you know if Australia excels in a, it doesn't diminish the US. As long as the US maintains, its own competitiveness remains at the forefront education, its workforce in AI. But in any event, it is viewed as something that we need to do in order to remain competitive with China, but also with other countries that are doing great work in a on. So yes, that's one of the attractions. John Thank you very much for joining us on future. Tense. Thank you. And we also heard today from an to me at pace university in the United States and Katrina Manville from the Research Organization Ran Europe. This was part to look at the future of research and both sides are available from the future tense website Oh wherever you get your podcasts. Currents Vanderbilt's is my colleague and Co producer. I'm entity fennell until next time. Hey before we hit stop on Anthony's fantastic podcast. 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487-Greg Fitzsimmons & Kyle Kinane - Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

Your Mom's House

3:48:23 hr | 1 year ago

487-Greg Fitzsimmons & Kyle Kinane - Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

"So you think you're doing doing our son? I'm doing Busta rhymes. Our son sounds like. Thanks trash beats. I don't know if I'm supposed to say cake. Doc, K K could be. What's I'm Jane were yet? Well, it was a crazy weekend. First of all amazing. Thank you so much everybody that came out had Jeff Tate with me. We did a nine shows. My God, I'm started in Montclair. We went to tits Berg, we were in cincy my hometown. Then we went to Cleveland, and we ended up in what's it called? We ended up in DC greenhouse tavern. No. We almost did. But ended up having such great food on the road. Because I make sure I I don't wanna fall apart. Get. Heriberto Bart bodied. So I I get chicken and fish and went to this place. We got food from the porch in Pittsburgh. I think it's called holy shit. Man. Yeah. Pittsburgh is nice. Actually, pretty to food was amazing. And was a place in town hall. Maybe in Cleveland that we went to I think we got from their cleave. I dunno. It was absolutely amazing. But here's what's coming up. Tampa's all sold out. You can still go to the hard rock the semen all hard rock in Hollywood, Florida. That's March ninth and that you can still get tickets to that that's at the big room at the casino there. Then I go to Portland Maine on March twenty six the twenty seven to sold out at twenty six has about one hundred tickets, you can try to go to that then red Bank and Long Island. Oh, the late show in New Haven has tickets the early show sold out that's March thirtieth. You can get tickets to the late show. March or April eleventh in Madison the late show April twelfth in Milwaukee and the late show April fourteenth in Nashville Chicago sold. Apple we added a show June second, June already homie. I know. We added a show may I in Portland Oregon at the Keller auditorium that's on sale. And we added a fifth show at the more in Seattle may fifth the rest of the shows Tom dot com slash tour and a huge announcement in April where I announced the second half of my tour the rest of the year, and that's going to be like twenty five more cities international days. A lot of lot lizards to pick up. Yeah. I know I got international lot lizards to pick up only. Yes, can be real parley. My dick in your mouth. All right, cool, February twenty third it's actually this Saturday, I'm in west solo springs. Oklahoma the Cherokee casino, February twenty third through March second Madison wiscon- on ya at the comedy club on state, Wisconsin, those shows are moving really fast ticket club. I Lou another one's going to ruin you. Yeah. Doing all the best. I'm doing that home run clubs this you'd fuck then ver- mom. Roese you're doing acme to bro. Yeah. Acmes next April four through six many ruined many apple to it's at the acme comedy club. 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It was a lot of work. That's good, man. Got it. I'm so excited for today. There's a couple things happening. First of all, we have we. So we did a segment last week. That we that with Kyle Kinane. Yeah. So you'll see that things might look a little different because the set changed Newsline, sir. Viewer. Your viewer. You'll see changes if you just listen, you won't really obviously notice much, but Kyle was fantastic. I can't believe had been forever since we. What's so funny is that I haven't seen Kyle in the light of day in about fifteen years only ever seen him at night. So it was when he walked in. I didn't recognize so you'll hear stuff that we talk about with him. That was kinda connected more with The Danny Brown episode, which I don't know if you don't know if you've never if you're kinda just watching the show, and you're getting into it now or you're listening for the first time in your like, whatever sewed should I point people towards to get an idea of what the shows like dude, give them The Danny brain. So graze the best guest we've ever had. That's almost five hundred episodes with nothing, but mostly comedians, and he basically shits on. I mean, that's how good he is. He sell engaging and he has. Stories and he's a mommy so came in here. Yeah. So that was. Oh, I'm ready to try a prison burrito. Yeah. We gotta do a prison the recipe. He gave us. I keep thinking about it down. I haven't committed to memory. Okay. Yeah. I wanna try it. Also the episode. I did with Dr drew Dr drew after dark this week and it's a smash hit. Everybody loves it. And you guys have to check it out Dr drew after dark if he wants submit a question, you can do so at Dr drew after dark at g mail dot com. That's D R D R E W after dark edge Email phone number two eight one eight two five three one six nine three. I would recommend that you kind of formulate your thoughts before you call. You know, wanna ram it down show and the so this Friday mine will come. That's right. Did one with him a lot of fun. Basically, we listen to some answer or questions from you guys we read some we talked about that we talked about clips because it's so fun to watch him. Not just any clips YM h get into it. The the cool guys whoever we feature on this show. We will go through it with Dr drew, and he will give his insights into what the fuck is going on. So many tried is to get under the hood with comedians. Yes. Which is I think the most fascinating thing is that he sits down with all of us maniacs and figures out why we're so fucked up. It's great. So you want to subscribe to the doctor after dark podcast as well. As this one, by the way. Yeah. Please scribe rate and review it on I tune. Yeah. If you watch on YouTube, and you subscribe to our YouTube channel, you will automatically get drew show. It's fantastic. Look comes out on Fridays on YouTube and believe Friday's. Yeah. At twelve pm Friday's at noon as when video drops. Yep. And audio drops Thursdays. Okay. Google play tunes and soon a lot of other places too. Okay. I feel like he he just thinks torture him. It's so love it. It's so fun. All right. Let's we have anyway. So we have a Canadian segment from that is part of this show. And then Greg Fitzsimmons will be joining us soon and. Well, it's supposed to join him. But she is I think in labor, boo. Fucking who their second child. So women are fucking stupid. Why don't you go to your obligations you done bitch birth? That's supposed to slow you down. All right. Well, let's start the show is going pitch. Call the cops. This kidding you. You can just give this week. Don't bring it into this. Well. To your mom's house with tone. Christina. I'm colder. Wow. I love you missed you. I'm fucking week. Oh, you'll fucking. She sounds just like my mom. She does kind of. Yeah. Back some memories rest in peace. She wrestling. So angry in life fucking guns. This fucking bitch. Fuck and fuck fuck up day one. That was how you met my mom kinda crazy. Okay. This fucking count in Bloomingdale's say this shit. Fuck you you fucking bitch. Yeah. It was so crazy, my mom. Hey, always confrontational of people. She was deeply racist almost as racist burp. But that's not even really awesome national is pick fights with people. Yeah. In the parking lot. She would do something like that to this juicy is not Sweden feel fucking ons. What is the it's called borderline personality disorder. Mitch was crazy bitch was Kray, and it's fucked that because you know, back in the seventies and eighties. Like we didn't diagnose that kind of thing. So my whole life. I was like psalms wrong with food. She's charming. Yeah. And then people be like, well, that's just your mom. You know, you know, Edith just rascal pan Sita. She's just an immigrant. Now, some deeper people say like. You know, those real spicy spirit. That's another word for crazy. So it tells your spirit animated personality. Yeah. Bitch is out of fucking mind. This lady that was in that clip. And yeah, the setup here is that she is this lady is in a convenience store. She bought apple juice like from the you know from the freezer from the from the French and she's trying to Canada should sweet as fuck to. It's not sweet enough new persuades all sugar. She says expired, and then well, I'll let it unfold tits on her tail. It's not expect. This week. Barters March twentieth. Two thousand. I'm sorry. We can't help there's no refunds. Deuce is this. He give me give me. Schist reduce. Expiring. Kennedy call the company and complained to them, but we're not replacing what company. What company? Oh, this is back to my co company. Fuck mother company your company, you know. Juice. My money fiefs. Let's call the cops. You can give is this week. She's doing her. Now, she's doing her foreigners. You say. Complaining about the carpet. Oh, she's not speaking in her language, cursing at them and Armenian don't think. So I think she was saying the juice is bad. You have no carpet. Here got. The big mid. Men. She's like, I hate fat pig fat. So fat she's such a fatty and she's not wearing a support abroad. Which is rule number one. And when you got big slop, you gotta buy hoist them cities up. Hey, I know. Yeah. Whoa. She says she hates pigment and Mexicans just dropping it own sting all the real emotions. One time. I went I went to an all they have Mexican this is my mother, I went to an all girls Catholic school, and I I was in the nineties I used to wear a ban Danna like on my hair. I remember what chm. My mother got. Nice lesbian. A see that look really. I'll do it for your home, abandoned and look. So I the none called my left a note with my parents because I was feeling a hitchhiker. You know, you like a lot lizard. So my mom got called into school because I was talking a lot during class and being saucy, and my mom sees me wearing this headscarf. She's walking down the hallway by the way is in the classrooms full of nuns nuts, my mother walks in. And she goes, but these this fucking shit on your head. You look like a fucking dyke, and I was like, yeah. And she ripped it off my head and the nuns were like, okay. This makes sense now seen as a problem. They knew they did everybody like they're like the mom is don't even call her in again. After that. I never got a note sent home your mom. They're like, we get it. Good kids should on your head. She said you look like fucking dyke with these biking thing, and she hated lesbians. She was very she hated. She was like, I don't know about lesbians doing each other. Maybe they licking each other's to death. I don't know what they women due to other woman, very a race, the homophobic, islamophobic. When it gets. She say leaking each other's to death plural is at wrong. She had a lot. She's very spirited spirited late. You know, your mom, very nice, very speaking of a cry. Can we talk about what we both been obsessed with? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you wanna get a new intern? A one socio. Dirty, tom. Yeah. Well, let's let's set this up correctly. Yeah. Yeah. So this is in a way of big deal. Okay. This is. H exclusive while you make tricks clue. Okay, setting it up like that. Well, here's why as the audience knows for quite some time, you have been accusing me of being a disturbed psychotic man who loves blood, and and and crime, and criminals and all the crime shows are made for me, right as my sick mind, right? And a while ago. I read this LA times piece, you know, about dirty John H was it was like a. Like a. Six or seven part profile that read like a like a thriller, like a, you know, a book that you just can't put down right like a crime story. Basically. Sorry. I'm drinking water is. So so I read it, and it was just fascinating it was. So I remember a while ago. It was only about okay, and so well written then that guy who wrote that I wish I had his name right now. Started Han casts. Yeah. The dirtyjohn palm Cam listening to it about the you know, what he wrote? And then they went even further, and they they did the this Bravo miniseries. And this thing his exceptionally. Well, done it stars Eric Bana, and what's her name Britain, Kathy? Kenny, I dunno. Katie. Stan, no, Katie. Taylor. She's great aunty Britain, Connie Britton, and so anyways to problem any series. So well done about the real story. This is a real psychopath, and guess who absolutely is obsessed with it. Well, if it isn't psycho pants herself Pristina, I am I listen. You know, me I've been resisting the urge to jump into your shows for about fourteen years forever. I never do it. And for some reason, what's the appeal here dirty. John got me hooked. I am. I am deep into the darkness with you. Fine. We're we're finally share in the show's, Greg. What was his last name? Do you know? Oh, sorry. I thought you were telling me the name of the guy anyway, dirty, John, you gotta see the show on. Bravo. I'm here's why I'm riveted a the guy's a total psychopath and he cons women. But he's not just a con artist. He's he's more than that. Right. When she say, he's a master manipulator is a that's the name of the guy. But if you look up like if you click on maybe like, John me hands, that's Jonah's. But the guy that actually wrote the article and. Did the podcasts crags something? I know. There's a podcast or they go in depth on who who that guy is. Can't read it Christopher. No. I can't can you make it bigger, buddy. Oh, Christopher Christopher Maher. That's offer offered. Yes. That's who wrote the LA times article. That's who started the whole phenomenon. And it is if here's what I love about it. So my mother remarried to a psychopath as well. But he was he was high. He was nicer he was just a criminal. And this guy reminds me a little bit of my step, dad. The that's the actual the bait the hook and. Yeah, 'cause he reminds me a little bit of watching that dynamic on full between my mother and my step dad, but I'm more obsessed with Deb the woman's carrying raging to sit I fucking hate her so much so fucking much. And I think what bothers me even more because she falls in. She so listen, here's the story. He gets he cons her. They get married within what five weeks story is that this guy is a his lifelong. Pariah. Okay. I see real hard cheap oil sucks. Money, life, joy, everything out of them. And he doesn't in real life. And in this story. He does it to a four times divorced, but successful interior design is what really happened targets her. She's pretty she's smart. She's got her shit targets. Her gets her hoaxer Mary's her within eight weeks her adult children are like sums up with this fucking guy because he wears scrubs. But he's not really an anesthesiologist. They just kind of figure out that like this guy full allies and everybody sees it. But mom, so that's what makes it because we can all relate to that. Like, how do you not see also had a friend your like your dating this fucking piece of shit? Yeah. And they're like what? And you know, 'cause people will see what they wanna see totally. And this guy is just such a piece of shit, and it really wraps you in. And the storm. I don't wanna give it away. Obviously. I encourage you to read it. I encourage you listen to the podcasts. And like I said that Bravo show if you just like a good show man that is that show will get you really what? Now, here's my problem with debt. And here's why I'm hooked an asshole tell you. Why so Deb is the woman that he gets right? And by the way, she plays her really. She's great. Here's why Deb infuriates me is that. Yeah. She's one of these people who so an ascent just a deer in headlights big fucking DOE eyed blonde, you know, the gentle now, he's always got the ninth manicure, and she just talks that what the world is it bad place. And I'm so fucking envious of that being that you've yes, what it really boiled for me. It's my rage that I will. I've never had that privilege of being able to just be a dumb fuck in the world and be that naive and innocent. Like everything's great. And the people around Deb protector, and like, you know, what I'm saying like where you just get to be a child your whole life. And what kind of infuriates me about this too? Is the whole through like, you're a victim dab. You're just a victim. No, you're doing your victim. And it's like, well there's so many flags with him. And yes, okay. The first time around member she she does leave him at one point when she finds everything out. But then she goes back. It's crazy. And then they're bit. You're not a victim. Like, are you still do we still get to consider you a fuck fucking victim? If you know everything were keep going back is like there's one thing where you're so naive that you're oblivious and unaware, but when they start telling her and she understands yes. Is really gets it. It's laid out. She's like, no, I'm done. No, it's raining and she puts her children in danger also infuriating that makes me danger. Yeah. And I mean, and that strikes these lot lizards. Give them all the information. Talk about lot lizards. I've been fascinated with this idea. Like, so tell me about their life like what? So. I'm the tour bus champ. I take my across the country. Yeah. I take the bang bus across the country. And I've worked with a couple of drivers. And they're really nice guys, and they have this life where you know. They literally drive a trucker would across the nation. Nats ninety kind of you know, it's a very specific type of living where they just get, you know, they get used to weird hours, and we are living. You're not truck drivers. Yeah. Today, sleep stay second the cab. Yeah. I mean, the tour bus drivers have a little bit different that the truck drivers will have a lot of times a cabin. They can sleep in there in the bus driving world tour buses, some drivers will sleep in the bunks. You know, if it's like an arrangement sleeping in the master, suite. And he's not sleeping on the bunk. No, why get them hotel rooms. Oh, but I mean when you're nine in the bus when he sleeps in your bed. Have course. Yeah. Of course, you get grossed out by that. And over your toilet. We don't know shit on the on the bus. He think he Brown bags it. Maybe bags is basically, we just you know. We piss in each other's mouths. But it in the. No. But so, you know, the this like really like kind of travelers for real, you know, so you start asking him questions about sleep. And I'm fascinated by that Mike when do you sleep because you'll drive us through the night, you know, and then we arrived somewhere, and I'll get up. I'm like, I'm gonna go get coffee. He's like he's like. Yep. I'm like, wait. When do you sleep? I'll sleep this afternoon. You know? This afternoon. I wish I was one of those people too. I don't need to sleep. Yeah. He'll sleep six seven eight hours. But it'll be you know, it'll be arriving to. Arrive bull Reich somewhere, and he'll sleep until like the show is over. Okay. So that's when he did. Yeah. It's very ways we ask him about how he told. So he told us he so one day we got to the Pittsburgh venue and the Pittsburgh venue Carnegie music hall in Pittsburgh, super old beautiful venue, so old. It's one of the only theaters that I've been to that doesn't have showers. Oh, now's like off fuck 'cause it's nice to get there. You take your shower before the show. So I was like, I guess I'm not to use the bus shower. Well, the the bus shower the water because we're in the northeast was just so cold that it took like an hour to and I was like it's it took too long. So basically, it's the first show in. I don't know how long fifteen years that. I haven't taken a shower before stinky, where you're not three, stinky, I guess later. Pre show. Dumps of course. Yeah. All gaming out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, then we start asking. So he told us he goes, you know, the best showers are, and I was like flare he goes truck stops. And I was like what else he goes? You have no idea. They're like super high pressure is like nicer showers and you find him like five star. I was like you've gotta be shitting me. He's like, yeah. How much are they ten bucks on? I was like I wanna take a truck. Stop shower too. I wanna get it. Don't you run the risk of getting stabbed? You get you also refers, and you also could like meet a cool guy who'll outlets. Yeah. Well, then the trucks shower conversation led what else happens at truck stops. Good things. I was like, hey are there. Really? He's like lot lizard. I like the phrase lot, Liz. He's like, oh, yeah. I go. What happens they knock on your door? They knock on your door. They'll just come up sneak through the. They ask if you want. Some are the everywhere he goes, not everywhere. He's like, California. Sure has a few nice weather. Framing this. Sometimes it's a different. Sometimes he said like you'll like the driver will like obviously re like knows someone in the air. You'll see like cars pulling in that there. Clearly, it's been arranged like maybe arranged beforehand. You like the guy knows that this girl works in this area, lizard, lizard, show up. And then have like, oh, what's that? Like, I don't know about sure. He doesn't know. I'm like you, Deb. I don't know. What's? So innocent. I'm just a dummy. Yeah. I wouldn't be in a lot laser would. I would like a fun fantasy would be like a stranded girl like came on. I don't have any way to get. I running my where this is John dirty, Tom. I'm stuck here. I'm like, I'm going down. Yeah. Come on over. And then she gets on the bus. I'm like, no. You gotta pay the toll, you know. And then like what you do is really encourage you. You're just wear out in you know, where her out when he minis babe, you know, and the bang bus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you told me you guys take your turns on the law. That's what I'm saying. Well, I'm saying with the stranded girl as like she gets the business. I give it to my girl. I give it to the opening act. He runs through her and the driver takes his turn. And then we drop off nowhere close to. Wow. Sounds like like this Montana. Good luck. Yeah. You shouldn't hitchhike. You stupid bitch. Wasn't that far? Well, the lesson to learn that was a good one now. But you guys did tell me about a thing called hot bagging. Yeah. Would tell us what you can't make chocolate on the bus learn that because weeks ago, you can't I guess on the really state of the art. You're Tommy like Brian Regan's bus. Yeah. You can shit on on his, but he had a custom designed and. Right. And then his so his bus has like the special grinder. There's like rains. Yeah. Are you kidding swear? He told me he goes what's the point of buying your own bus? If you can't shit on it. He's kind of really good like. Yeah. Of course. But most of them most. Here's the thing. You can shit obvious. It's a toilet. You can't you can. And then they'll tell you, you know, if it's an emergency. Obviously don't think twice, but some of them they're like, you know, there's just the ventilation of it all shirt, the shit is sitting on the bus with you. And they're like, it'll you know, I haven't done it. But they'll say they say it'll find its way into the vents, you know, until they clean it out. Yeah. So yeah, the hot bag it, you just you grab a bag from target or something, and you just put that in there, and then you just shit into that tied up. And then you could just leave it on the front seat. For the lot lizard throw it hundred a lot lizards your payment. Yeah. Keep the change the animal, right? Yeah. I should into a wag enough ghanistan. That's how they do. You ruined fire hot bag. I didn't Afghantistan. Speaking of guys. Have you heard about the the revolution and online furniture shopping and joy bird, the company behind it? All we have joy bird furniture here in the studio. Sure do love it so much joy bird believes you should never settle when it comes to your home furnishings. And that you should always have the freedom to be bold -ly original with joy bird. 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I saw the outpouring of I my favorite thing in the world is when people hop on board any of the social Justice things like very quickly. There's a shooting there the first person to supply and with all of you. Fucking like it's who gives a shit about your fucking die photo of a ribbon. When that happened. Who cares? Why are you doing that? It helps. My favorite, and they do a picture. They're like this is my partner. I love her so much ski you love your partner. I know 'cause Tom obviously, don't we don't do that. Because like, I just think it's so fucking cheesy to be like the light of my life. This is the one and only you're the inspiration. And it's so sincere in like as I'm just embarrassed by your fucking queer. So weird. It's just it's embarrassing. I don't like it. It's more embarrassing when it's like a known person. Your regular person's like here's love of my life, whatever. But like when the person with celebrity followers like, yeah, here's my lover. Yeah. Do love them. Look, there's a picture showing how much I love. Yeah. I think that's what I'm saying. I don't think regular like everyday people that's normal. But when you're a celebrity, and you're like, look at my spouse, look, how wonderful my life is like bitch. We get at your life is I'm. Special. I don't never forgot that you out of arouse Baraz. Yeah. Because you and I obviously love each other. The the gays the public display of it would make me vomit. Yeah. So any huddles I was on the ground. When I saw the outpouring. That's how I knew anything happens in the world people on Instagram reporting it and so- Jesse smaller. That's he's an actor. I mean, the story is now enormous. But so what happened was a few weeks ago? He's an actor on empire. Right. And he has been on for a minute. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a wildly successful show. He he's on the show. News story came out that this dude was attacked at like two in the morning allegedly allegedly attacked at like two in the morning. Somebody put a noose around his neck beat them poured bleach on said, racial, homophobic, slurs. And then was like this magazine country bitch like so like an intense. Yeah. Hate crime rice, everybody was like what the fuck. But then like as the story developed started to have peculiar details. The whole thing is ready. John's town. Yeah, it's just it's really disturbing sad. But so ends what we're at right now, at least at the moment of recording this because this story will probably develop more between now. And when people even see or hear this, you know. Yeah. But as of right now will we know for sure is that. Like a month or few months ago? He did receive a letter threatening letter at the production offices, and that he was resentful that the letter and the threat didn't receive more attention, right? It was like a homophobic racial letter because he is openly gay, and I guess it probably is one of those things it was like a blurb, maybe. And then people didn't really talk about it much well that upset him. So what's allegedly happening right now is that when that when the attack happened obviously were like we need to find the suspects. They researched all the cameras in the area, and they did find two guys walking around at that time. So like these are people of interest. So then they eventually apprehended and arrested the people of interest turns out there to nine. Jian American brothers who go work out at the same gym as him. One of them has even appeared on an episode of impact. Number one. Yeah. And you know, when the police were like, we wanna see your phone records. Because apparently he was on the phone his manager the time of the attack. He gave them redacted version of his phone rhetoric word so things that started kind of, you know, not really add up and then when they spoke to those brothers. They released them without charges and the investigation has shifted into allegedly. He Jesse perhaps having set up this attack as a ploy for the attention. He felt like he deserved from the letter interesting, which is highly disturbing highly disturbing, and he did interviews. Oh my God. All right. Yeah. Like crying about what was said to him. Like, yeah. Yeah. Really? He's an actor though. It makes sense. He was he was really crazy did. Well, okay, mistake, number one. Obviously is don't hire people. You know, like the guy at the gym. You got to put an ad out. Yet say piss on me beat me. Are you do the whole thing is a bad is going to blow up tear bad idea? I mean, also you see the the these dudes that he hired to attack them. Yeah. I mean, if these allegedly tired if they actually attacked him. He would fuck in still be an ICU are jacked really, he must've been like look, man. I mean, easy. Take it easy yet. Like, these guys are planting even from a casting perspective you may want to cast like white big guys to to the. Hey crying as we'll do it right to black black black mother. Wait a minute. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. I heard a rumor that he was they he was getting fired from empire, and he was doing this as a way to get attention. Know, I don't know it could be true. But who knows what's at the root of? But that's. I mean, it's also like it really is sad. It's sad. Somebody would orchestrate a fake thing like this on especially like actually get hurt. And. Elicits sympathy from people. Do that to people dirtyjohn ish? Right. Then like you, obviously. Like, he's you know, he is let's say anti Trump. Right. Right. But this actually makes you look worse Corey. 'cause then you're you're creating this fake narrative of something like a of somebody who's like a Trump guy doing that. But they didn't do that to you as making it political. You know, by the way, if you do make it political you make it about anti-trump you've rally now the support of the entertainment industry 'cause everybody hates Trump is what ends up happening is that now since he made that shit up then like a Trump supporter gets to go like, oh, this look what they're trying to paint me. Right. This. It's like the whole thing backfires on them. It's it's a really, obviously, it's a super calculated poorly executed idea. And if he wanted to do something like that should talk to me, I men. What would you have done differently? I don't know. I probably wouldn't have done this. Yeah. Like, hey, man. We're gonna have we're this fake hate crime. Like, so bizarre. Now, Bert would be a good guy to talk to knows all about hate crimes. I think we'll have him in soon by him. I bet you he'll be like off. Here's how you do this good drunk. First of all you go alcohol. You don't feel so bad. We CEOs words were speaking of stiffen. I regarded I'm sorry. I said sorry, I. What's going to happen? I apologize for any mentally challenged listeners that are offended by that. Did you hear that Karl Lagerfeld died? Yeah. The head. Yeah. Yep. I sure did. So I he was the head of Chanel house of Chanel. He was. Yeah. So, you know, he's a designer is very famous fashion guy. But what I love about him is. I love anybody that has the identity to have such a stylized look because if those t-this though that dude look like a bond villain for fifty years. I know and all the day to day because all the bitchy Aries when I re read them they all say he is known for his ponytail and black sunglasses. Like that is such a Bolshoi that collar though, I remember that. And fingerless gloves like who just walks around life, wearing shades and fingerless leather gloves and a ponytail and also not a timeless look. The suit ward is every day for decades. And it's not a timeless look now. It's extremely eighties. When you say, I would also say, it looks like, you know, you see eccentric, especially in New York, you'll see eccentric older people. Yes. Walking around like snack. Era. Snack whole. Yeah. Who's basically they're wearing. Yeah. They're hot gear from the eighties or seventies. And you're like, yeah. You got to update that Shipman years? You can't do that. Did you see Trumpers? Yeah. By the way, van go back to his TV's. I mean, he had enough money to take care spelled correctly. No, it's wrong. It's logger felt is logger. Phil. I don't know. Maybe maybe it was long feld L A G E R F E L D. I thought L AG way more logger feld look at that shit. Fucking guy to be that comfortable yourself. I don't know is he though that's really an identity or here's the thing though. I mean, you talk about like couture like you couldn't wear that fund. Now men people like there's a crazy guy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like he gets away with it. Because he's the designer you expect the designer to. But like, I don't know. And do you think at some point if I walked on my tux? Do you like it? It'd be like you look like an asshole man, I mean, he's so fucking old collar look at the collar insert. But Tommy, do you think the ponytail was real hair because he's old? She's eighty five when he did Charlie was for for a minute and. A hair extension, man. Yeah. Well, he what did he die of collar finally choking? Daiki? We'll there's all these highly stylized people like Anna winter like she's another one she's known for her, Bob. And then there's Irish at all. That's him. What are you saying? Yeah. There's Anna winter. She's known for this, Bob. Right. The bangs and the glasses at least I feel like in a winter or could you know, somebody could dress like that. Yeah. I mean, it's high fashion, but you'd be like, oh, yes. A fashion that guy. No one could get a winning now. But he but him, you know, choose looks like. Great like, she's wealthy and knows fashion but type in Irish app Apfel, I R I S A P F. E L Iverson this lady she's super famous like her whacky ole curate door thing like she's wearing like chunky, jewelry and the crazy glasses. Like, I'm working talking about New York. You would see this walking around. And you'd be like I saw the craziest most eccentric lady today. Yeah. No, she's she's been rocking that shit for decades for that's her with her looks appealing. Yeah. It suits them. Yeah. But that's the thing is filled. Looks like he's like I've got come dungeon is Hank. He's letting you now you gotta come to. Yeah. Looks like it. Yeah. But how come some people can do this and some people can't if I put all this shit on me as people laugh? Yeah. Like, you know that it looks appropriate on her when you look at her. You're like, oh, she she carries it like it wants her. Yeah. It's because it's because she's not trying to look like that. Now just is that even Lagerfeld. That's like that's that guy gay. He's so powerfully game. Gayness comes out in like fingerless, leather gloves and the pony town. The what's that? Oh, that's that. That's not him missing. Lookalike who the fuck is good imitator? You know, it looks like the guy invented Star Wars. What's his name, George Lucas? Just like the gays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Chompers, bro. You gotta fix the wonder if he was still smashing of car, like young core model guys, of course, like last week. Guess he's three like nineteen year old guys. Like, you said you wanted to take pictures? Like I do. But I naked. That's his game. He's like would you like to take pick to picture missed me? Picture come over here. I have a hot bag for you. And they're like, Mr. Lagerfeld, please. His job. And he's into all the. Thank you, sir. Hard fuckin- core for sure. To bring up the next hard. Fuck and core guy, we got some hardcore guys coming. We got Kyle Kinane. We've got Greg Fitzsimmons. It's going to be a good time as very good job. Thanks. Let's just read an Email before we take our break here. You know, sure. Thought maybe would want to check this out. Here's an Email. It says my husband had the same problem for months when we started dating he never had an orgasm during sex. I'll Josh Potter Josh Pires problem. He would always have to Jack off at the end of sex. And at first I thought it was something I was doing that was wrong. Then I realize that when he was single he got comfortable jacking off a lot. So I say to Josh when you get new relationship lay off the jacking off get it out of your comfort zone. My husband can orgasm during sex now and anonymous, mommy, wow. Cool. I think maybe it's pretty good advice. What is Josh think of that Josh Potter, you gotta lay off the jerkin stop being alone. And having you know, fun. Core with your. I will say that. I I have gone periods of time without jacking off like extended periods of time. And do you think it had any relationship with the actual sex? Then. No, none. No, mid doesn't. Do it doesn't work because the concept kind of seems what they mean, they're like, oh don't jerk off. Don't look at porn. Yeah. Makes more sensitivity. And then you just faster, whatever. But it doesn't you don't think. So it hasn't helped. I mean, how long I gotta go years. I don't know the concept of not pleasure in yourself. It's never gone like it. Well, it seems like it's so mentally, you know. Gene you. He's set him up for that. When you've tried this. Yeah. In relationships. God. How dating someone I'm gonna go couple of weeks without a weeks? Okay. Not enough. Seems like right. So you have you had a big build up in there. Like, Aw, backed up the pile. I if I'm having regular sexual intercourse. Yeah. Then, you know, I won't jerk off for you know, because I'll be like I'm gonna have my dick inside something here in a couple of hours something. Johny mouth, you know. Guys. Yeah. Be whole and then. Okay. And then it's still you still can't we gotta find you. So you've been have have any ladies reached out yet to help? Josh Dom, you we'll have to see I mean through my travels all have to see if they're serious or not and their endeavors any local women on city, Los Angeles. If you like to make Josh Potter com. Yeah. While I'm here, you know, since I do reside in LA, if you do also, then sure. Yeah. Reach out to me other than that. You know? Oh my God. How we got like a few peeling messaged me. And they're like I'm down to make Josh come on. Why are they in LA county need someone LA? Look there was a definitely there was somebody last week. She was cute. She was like a bet I can make Josh calm. You saw that one. Yeah. No. I'm compiling where you are in the country, ladies, and I am going to create a tour or based off of where you live, and oh, you absolutely shouldn't. Yeah. We'll have a make Josh com. Tour, and then you know, the city that makes me come maybe I'll special there. I think this is just goes without saying, I mean, this is this is the grossest idea we've ever had. This is pretty gross. You set greatest wrong. There was also. Yeah, there was that. There was an adult industry person. Who said that? Did you not see that one? Didn't you get that one? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. You know that one is in another state as well. But you know, it could be coming up here on the make Josh come tour, dude. Definitely that's definitely an Asterix. Like, you not follow up on that you. We're not friends. Am I going to not follow up on it? I mean, do you know me at all because she was like this message was like I work in in the adult business. Like, I bet you come inside of me like respond. Yeah. I will hitchhike to that fucking city show to do crazy. Hold on. How can girls get a hold of you? What's the best way? I'm on Twitter at J underscore Potter or you can find me on Instagram at Josh underscore Potter. Yep. You could send an Email to your mom's podcast at gmaiLcom and in the subject line. But statehouse put no no make Josh come. Yes, you can. You can see Josh mater right doing his own headlining show with friends March twenty second at the Hollywood improv if you go to his Twitter page at J underscore Potter his pin. Tweet is a link to the show. Yeah. If you come to that I'll make you come. Oh my God. Everyone. Do you have foof practicing that somebody on the show with you? Yet. Doug Miller, it's going to be on the show. My buddy, rob banks is going to be on the show in hosting. It's going to be Mattie, Hanson whose hilarious as well. Yes. Okay. Coming and I hope you all over my face. Find a local LA smoke show. Yeah. If you're out there in a lay us some practice here in town. Good for you, come out of the dugout, and yeah, she's throw some hot heaters. Away from narrow now there's Josh. One day Josh on tour. Orange County adjacent maybe Riverside County. So many bay really appreciate that. That message from listener. I think that's very thoughtful. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Oh my God. This is you to read this one. Yeah. Here you go a long fucking glasses. I always forget my goddamn. Oh, Christ helped mom with. Cock ring is the subject. Hey, gene. So I was listening to an older podcast where mommy Tina was talking about eating her. Mom's underwear. Yeah. And it made me think of my own gross Esra with them. Just as just let you know. I didn't eat the entire pair of underwear. My mother is we discussed was mentally ill. She would show me about sex, and she had a sex drawer that she would show me all stuff in and she like these edible underwear a taste like benyak or ladder. And I was so young. I was like what's pinochle oughta like I didn't. I I learned what a pinochle Ottawa's, and what edible underwear was all in one disgusting. So I tasted it. I didn't eat the whole thing. Anyway, she says made me think of my own gross story with my mom when I was eighteen I worked in a sex shop in Culver city, and my mom was very much privy to that information. So one day while I was at work. I see my mother and my aunt at my store picking out items for their meant. My mom notices me and quickly tries to hide behind small display table that had our newest collection vibrators. As I clearly spot her and say, hi, mom, my manager quickly turns and busts out laughing saying how quote cool it was that my mom was a customer. We worked on commission at my store. So my coworker who was assisting my mom at the time allows me to ring her and my aunt up gross, which is something. I did not want to do in caps. But couldn't say, no. So I helped my mom purchase a vibrating. Cock ring five samples of lube an over the counter hormone pills for her and her b f o. Mind, you I had barely graduated high school and was mortified to know what my mom was doing in the bedroom. This is just one thing. I knew too much about in comparison to all the other nasty ass thing. She had asked me in regards to her sex life. Keep it high and tight y'all, and no I wouldn't marry my mom from Danny? That's that's intense. Really good mom. You got enough lube like, you know, how I fuck. That's how my mom was though. And my mother would show me her bag like the old school douche like the bulb and the black thing and the orange, and she always tell me men blue not like women. This think-i potty true, you'll have to vi- short of China, and you'll cannot wear underwear to bed. You have to let your what China breath, your mom nailed something. She does know that men don't like women one hundred but who likes anybody with stinky, pussies, it's not there's a few out. There is true. Maybe mush Potter. I don't know deal likes to pussies. I'm one of those weird out one of those clean pussy. I'm having a clean one to like it as pretty wild. Here's a man. I don't wanna know anything about how much my parents, though course, like, do you think your parents I've gotten a few over the years? I'm almost forty my dad, you know, we've had him on the show. He's like I like a full Bush. I got big tits too. Even that I'm like, it still feels like a doesn't feel real character saying now, but it like to think about it would say. Nasty election. Well, it's inappropriate your children. But can I tell you what I always think about Tommy when I thought about it. Even last night. I was walking around our bedroom. I wasn't wearing a bra or my shirt, and I thought about how when your mom came to visit us about two years ago member I took her bra shopping to get her the right size for us because they're low hanging fruit, and your father was very upset with me that I actually wanted Porterbrook. Yeah. And and I gave your mom to like a house bra because I wear like around the house without underwear kind of a loose just trumping hold him. And he said that he doesn't like her wearing that even the he likes it. Low and loose in gigli around the house. So disturbing. I know stop talking. It's so gross. Okay. Prefer would you want mine to be hangers low or too? I mean, I like just you to be comfortable, and however your breasts hangs works for me. Yeah. You don't have to not be like I would love to wear a bra. My husband's dickens husband real upset if I. Where makes your dad's Deng heart? All right. So we got this other Email. It says, hey, Hitler. My the only one going to point out how hard rock Nick looks like Tom who took a left turn earlier in life. Carson. Okay. First of all, I let me address that too. Because some more retarded shit. I'm gonna get so profiled hard rock Nick last week. It was it was pretty much it blew up in a in a lot of ways got ended up opening the comments on his. Instagram, they were closed before. That's brilliant. Whoever did that Kyle Johnson. Maybe my goodness. What look if you go to Instagram he had closed. Now. They're open. Yeah. Just like McDonald's and they went Garth. They went crazy on it. So here's what I want to tell you, though, we didn't know a lot about we just saw cool guy. And we we profiled him. You know, we just played clips. And and anyways, we when it it got a huge reaction. They bartered his comments. He ended up deleting in blocking a lot of them to what our listeners who did that to like like we didn't even help. But mortensen. But anyway, I didn't know anything about the mommy army. Let me just say this. I didn't know anything about. And then like we were sent a lot of people sent us to this Twitter handle, I'm not gonna read this whole thing. But you can read it yourself at B as in boy Deism dog, and as in Nancy deep B D N deep that dude has a thread on him that is disturbing. I mean, you know, it's just the guys threat. John style is thirty John style. There's another guy who used to be friends with him on on Instagram that also has thing going on. But anyways, that Twitter threat is pretty Casey the picture of Tom again as this guy. It's my favorite the picture of him holding the mic from which which is what's special is that Tom from disgraceful. Yeah. I still fuck a lot. Ridiculous. I kept thinking about this retarded, man. I can't thinking about how he used to go. He used to have to Amazon packages a week. And now. It's crazy line. How do you even conceive? How do you think is a migraine? Don't know. I don't know. And it was that a bragging thing that you went from two down to one like shouldn't you be upping your Amazon prime deliveries. If you're a baller you're trying to figure this out. Try don't I know the mix Nossa Negga guys just you'll hear when we have Kyle in. It's a separate time. So it's like it's still kind of fresh to us. Right. So we're so. Yeah. But now, it's like, what's. Yeah. It's crazy. Anyways, we we should be back momentarily with Fitzsimmons. Great. We'll be back to getting physical after this quick break. And we are back with one of my absolute favorite comedians in the world, absolutely hilarious, podcast, or and comedian and writer, Greg Fitzsimmons. Welcome back to I like that intro nice to hear it's so true. You're one of the best comedians in the world. One of my absolute favorites to watch, thankfully, you're here. Without that dumb broad. You were going to bring with them. What broad? No that kind of talk. Sweet Greg is no roast while. We know you you have it isn't a new podcast with her. We've done about a dozen episodes in Rosenthal dish Alison Rosen. She would have been here. But as we all know out, they're full of shit, and it's stupid. Right. So well, that's why you can't hire them because they're going to go get fucking knocked up work. Yeah. That's like this would have been a cool place to show the dynamic. That's right. Who you? But now, you know, I'll have it with you. I'll pretend that you're her. Okay. I'll do here's big news about her as you know, she's going to have the baby literally by the time his heirs. She may have had it yet. And she's been constipated really bad where she's like using her finger to work it out. Does that? Yeah. And yesterday, she took ready for this a nine pound hit. What is you know, they wear you and she lost nine pounds. Wow. He took a laxative and final edit out. A week. Could've seen those logs. I mean that's going to be bigger than the baby. What is the baby the baby weight? Now, she talked about did she say what she saw on the bowler. No, she didn't get into the details. A told me recently. It's been all pebbles. Yeah. It happens. You know, the the hormonal shifts, plus your intestines are all scrambled. Yeah. So it. Yeah. Yet to be very vigilant about Browning. And I was very vigilant with my Browns every day a lot of fiber add to get in there. Right. By the you know, if she was that concert, maybe hydrated to. Yeah. Back in how the baby can draw the liquid. Yeah. Steel that liquid from either everything inside your body, taking your Harry sites. Yeah. No, I know baby fucking babies. Before we begin though, I have a. Yes, go where we told about this or not surprised to get the exclusive out of the way, the listeners now and for you. We are waiting for Greg to arrive. I saw I need. Some fucking music is a big mom's house exclusive. You smell too. I saw Josh Potter. Eat something. Josh is a comedian who also works with us. He's Larry comic. He is a human cockroach. He he's like forty degrees is hot. I don't eat. I sleep from three pm to can't come with a woman like all can't come. He can only come if he takes over and and and strokes at himself, but he can't actually finish. So he just he just bang for hours. And just be like sorry. Oh, so he can make love to a woman can't compla- have you ever faked it because you were too drunk to pop. It's a good question. I did once you did. And I took the condom off real quick and threw it out before she could see was empty. Yeah. Wow. What a light faked an orgasm man Nessie, but we can feel but if you're both drunk she probably couldn't foul the condom on now. Yeah. For we move on Josh ADA twinkie just so we so we still still cockroach she's going to leave long. Yeah. So full of nasty shit. I feel like I faked coming with an ugly. Once oh like I just was like I want this to be over. So I was like oh. You do I because I know about the trolls eat, pork. You've told me was it. That woman all the troll. All the troll. When I left my friend's aunt. Yeah. That was bad day. Oh, I was twenty one she was inner forty so like now. Twenty some year age gap. Yeah. And I was hammered. I mean, really hammered all I remember was that, you know. I definitely didn't finish. I don't think I pretended. I was just talk. I just remembered. Waking up right and waking up and I'm looking out a window. So I'm in bed. I'm looking out this window, where am I you know, like totally coming to this is the next morning. Yeah. Where the fuck em. I it's like nine o'clock in the morning. Oh, so hung over. And then I just feel an arm around movie. And I'm like what inches like, hey, baby warning turn. And it looked like Bill bell check in a wig. Oh, Tom rating. Yeah. And then she'll take a shower. And I was like, oh, I'm going to sprint out of here. Yeah. I my clothes all over the house. I get dressed, and I was like about to walk at the front door. I realize not only did I not drive here. I don't know where I am. So I just had wait downstairs kind of pacing nervous before. Uber. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was twenty so before me too. Yeah. Then I see on the frigerator the report cards overkill seventh grade. And then the best part is that when I finally she drops me off. I was like oh my God. My friend calls me. He's like did you fuck? My aunt. I think so. He's like. I know man, get some real agos in your path. Real gnarly bitches in your past. Now, if I was her on a regular with with her on a regular basis I'd be like Josh, I couldn't come either. I would just be like, I don't know what it is. But I can't I had this south, dammit. I had this woman one time, and it was a you know, I was a Boston comic. And we'd go out, and you know, me and Rogan and all the Dane cook. We were doing heaters all over New England. You know, like seven nights a week comedy was. So we got so fucking lucky. We were born into a time where there was just gigs everywhere in so like in the first year that we were doing stand up comedy. We're on the road seven nights a week. Make you know making twenty five bucks a pop maybe fifty on a good night. But you were in your glory, probably right because we're making a living this shitty living, but we were just smoking pot during the day. Let's see movies fucking around right material. And then going off to you drive. We drive there was a gig. And it was in Maine, and you didn't get a hotel. It was you know, two and a half hours away. There was no hotel. Yeah. And again, make fifty bucks spent have it on gas, and I drive up there with a with another comic. And we get there. We do the show and it's a road house, and it's a hell gig. And and I remember bombing so bad that I was on stage, and I was doing jokes. And they were they were nice they weren't heckling. But they're also not laughing, and I did a joke and I overheard an older couple in the front row. The woman said to the man the paw bast. It. Which was worse than being heckled pity? And so there was a couple of waitresses there and me and the other comic hooked up with two waitresses, and he went to her place. She drives me to her place. She's in a trailer, and she's got a three year old asleep. Her mom is there and just says hi to me like I was the boyfriend coming home from college. And then takes off I go in there, and she's a skank. And so I don't I don't know I'm drunk, but I start sobering up and as reforming around I've just realized she's just too good at this. And I don't wanna be I don't wanna be with John McEnroe of one night stands in man. And so really you actually have that like in you to go. I'd rather not be that than have sex tonight. I don't wanna be a number, Tom. Wow. But this is also a twenty five years ago. We're talking about you still have that mentality. Yeah. Well, and so we get naked. And I remember her chasing me around the bed. Trying to put it in her. She was grabbing it and trying to pull it into her and me pulling away. It was like a wrestling match and it end with it ended with oral. There was a concession of. Or you're like. Today then woke up in the morning in her bed and again, no fucking idea. Where I am. I'm in Maine is no that's the worst. And so her three-year-old gets up and comes in and the three year old doesn't even act shocked. This is all normal. And so I so I go back to Boston and about about three weeks later, I run into buddy man, and I'm gonna tell you off the air who it is Canadian other Boston comedian, and I see him in this guy was a horn dog. And I see many goes. I just did main last night. Fuck is girl inner trailer. I go like. So we call the agent, and we go we want to do the gig together. So like three months later, we walk into the roadhouse shoulder to shoulder, and we see her she got a trae drinks. Practically drops the trade drank. Got to after the shell in my Buddy's car devil team. And our what? Mention detail. She's pregnant why what? Yeah. How much better than my ori- like pregnant like five months? Well, we were there three months before do the math. Oh, right. Who knows he didn't know. He he never found out. He never got the call these years because you gave her mouth babies you didn't do right, right? That's right. Do you think? She did. She seem pretty good at that. Like, she was it was like if is there an Olympics for six. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gold medallist. Wow. Yeah. That's a good thing about skanks. Is you know, that's about lot lizards have you ever seen or hadn't experienced God? No. But it sounds like she was kinda close to like, she's a comedy lizard. Yeah. What do you call comedy, Chuck? Yeah. Yeah. Well, no one's out there throw Zillow's of comedy. Yeah. There's a, yeah, there's one there's one I don't want to say anything in specific while we're recording. There's a there's a city that I know of that like a lot of comics have had the experience with one person. I'll tell you. You know in Connecticut. I'll tell you. I tell you when we're not recording. Oh, okay. No. I gotta ask. It's pretty that's wild, dude. Double team owner tell team. Yeah. A little bump triple team, there's another human. Does your wife know what a slot? You were. You know, we never got into it. She hears rumblings. But she's not interested because we met at thirty. Both just you've been around you've been around. Like, I I remember trying to come up used to have a bit about this. Like, we trying to come up with pet names for each other. They we had nerdy us on somebody else by the end of the week. I'm Norman and she's dude. All right. 'cause it's got to be original. No one. You haven't used before. Hani's gone. Babes gone. Oh, yeah. That's why we call it to their genes. It's true. You call each other jeans jeans. That's our nickname for each other. Sweet. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty pretty cool Thomas we hooked up when Tom was like twenty five and you still manage to be a real slut. And I wasn't though. That's the thing is the they stand out more to her the the the stories because they weren't girlfriends. Yeah. My number's low it's not very high. Right. So how's your numbers alot? I'm not built us all fucking nurse. I'm more relationship lady. And aids came out when I was in college, then come out with hysteria. You have to wear a con a it. So I was in college at the height of like you're gonna get aids and die, right? So that was a huge deterrent for me was disease. Yeah. Like ethical or moral kind of wish I could go back now. And of course, if you put your mentality now brain into the twenty year old you great. I know what would you do differently just smash someone I smashed everything? I mean, accurate rare exception. Really? Yeah. I put up big numbers really loves it Boston University. And it was just thirty thousand kids. So like, you could have a one night stand. Never see that person again and your ears with them. That's crazy. I just got an Email at my website from woman who said you don't ever me. Tell me your as she said, she goes, I remember she goes you're coming to Boston. I might come out and see you you won't remember me because we hooked up in college. And I saw you week later needn't. Remember me, I felt so bad. Yeah. Yeah. So, but you are real slut back. Then is that just was a booze fuelled or was he is a lot of booze. Also, I think I was just very I was highly motivated some people I think are just built to two. I just liked on ignite. What's more fun on a night to start with your buddies? Get a good base of alcohol and the apartment go hit a bar, go in pursuit. Clothes and go walk home. Whether it's the next next morning walking home at six AM. You're you have to be built for it though. I really believe that. Because I here's the thing all my sex almost all of it almost came to me. I was never like I would be hanging out with friends who were that guy. Yeah. And then she said, no, she said, no, she's and I would just be like, oh, someone just came up started talking to me. Yeah. If this goes somewhere, cool, right? That's that's why I think my numbers were never crazy stone is a lazy hunter? I was. That's what Patty staying hunter matchmaker. We'll be league. You're lazy you're Venus allies. That's totally true. Because I the big thing for me was like I'm not going to put in a lot of effort to this shit. Push comes in me. Well, it wasn't even like it wasn't like from like too good for it. It was literally being lazy. Good looking college Stein. Was he he's handsome? I your your hands. Well, here's a big difference between freshman year and senior year. Yeah. Seventy pounds when I graduated did you play sports now. So, but I got to college I was fat. And by the time, I graduated I was pretty good shape. What most kids I was the opposite. Yeah. I lost a bunch of weight. But the motivation was probably to lose the weight was probably to get more sex. You know? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Because you're like, you're you're in this environment. And then you're like, oh, you know, I wanna participate more. So I just lost weight worked out more. Yeah. Plus he's knocking off. So many mouths. Yeah. God. Yeah. So nasty so true anyways. So you have a fifteen year old daughter now, how old is your other boo? My son is a senior Owen talent. No one's looking at colleges. Now. Crazy crazy. We're at the end of the spectrum. I know I'm reluctant today. He pulled his leg up to his mouth. Yeah. Yeah. It's it is such a different. You know, the crazy thing is you don't spend less mental energy like you guys are put in the physical and mental energy, but they get to be teenagers. And it's still just like, you're constantly. There's just meetings strategy meetings every day because you really feel like, and, you know, most of the most of the reading I've done on parenting at this stage is there is not just control the border because their kid their peers are have way more of an on them right now than you do as parent. You guys would you were doing now in the first six to eight years is everything. In terms of their morals, their choices, you know, how they push themselves. How they how they self soothe all those things they're learning now because once teenagers, they're just they're liars. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Teenagers just lie. And and you take personally when it first happens like we went out one night. And we're like we're going to fuck and movie hour and a half, and we come back, and like we can smell liquor, and there's a guy running out the back door yet there, and I just remember I go. Oh, yeah. This exactly what I did. Yeah. And then they live right in your face. Who is a key around. No kid ran out of the back. I didn't have them just lying constantly. Yeah. And so you just gotta kinda go like all right? Keep them from driving drunk from getting pregnant. You know, do you? Do you go like, I know that that's a like do you do you address? The fact that you know, you're being lied to. Or do you go like, I'll just accept that. I know that I know it's ally. Well, the the dynamic that we're shooting for is ten and it's worked with my son. My son is is a different personality than my daughter. My daughter is very like rebellious pushing the limits she she gets excited by being on the edge. Like, I remember when she was maybe six and she's in a living room, and she puts her arms out, and she starts spinning really fast for long time. Then she falls on her back, and while she's lying that she goes this feel so good. I was like. And so so I just try to not create this kind of adversarial environment where she's gonna wanna rebel against us in hate us. And right do the opposite of what we say. And we and that that we've been lucky with that. We've when something happens we talk through it. We try to understand why it's happening. We try to let her understand where we're coming from. And so we she's very honest when things go wrong and she gets in trouble. We problem solve it as a team. That's that's very unique. The opposite of the way I was raised of course, which I think is a lot of what our parenting comes from his leg. All right. What am I parent do wrong? L overcompensate anything all all things. But also think it's I mean from what I have learned in years of therapy. The toddler years come around again in the teen years in a sense. Right. So how they were as toddlers, theoretically, what they're going to be like his teenage after Lula and also for the for them to be rebelling and to be pushing back on you is totally good healthy and normal. And if they weren't then I'd be worry. Right. The ones that are like just Christian was going to bible study. Like, you're gonna explode at some point. Yeah. And I think shadow parenting, it's very hard because as your kids get older like you have to shadow parent when your kids are little and they're learning how to walk. You have to be a foot away making sure that they don't fall down the stairs. And then you have to make this transition every year, they get older you have to take a step back and redefine your relationship with them and give them more freedom, and let them feel autonomous. And let them start to you know. Like, even homework. They say don't ever ask your kid. Did you do your homework? See how the grades are. And if the grades are bad, then there's repercussions let them figure out and strategize support them. You know, read their essays that they right say if you wanna show them to me, I'll give you some feedback and ask them if they need support, but don't hound them every night about did you do this? Did you do that? Because then it's all external and ever gonna learn have to earn selves in this plan. So so you have to make the transition from shadow parenting to letting them make their own mistakes and have their own repercussions. Whether it's from friends from teachers, and and then you just sort of like support support support. Yeah. It's brutal. Isn't it? It's really hard. And it's true that personalities reemerged, my my son like he's very he's very much like. He doesn't want us to tell him how to do things. And he was about four and we were at the airport. We're flying in New York, and it was one of these like six AM flights where you wake up at three thirty to get to the airport haven't had breakfast and we've got like an hour before the plane leaves? So I go to Starbucks to get some breakfast. And I come back and I bought him a blueberry Muffin, and then I go to give it to them. An Aaron goes no that's a chocolate chip Muffin if he needs chocolate before the flight, he's going to be bouncing off the walls. And so I say, and he's already got it in his hand. And I say, oh and here you can have the Muffin top. But you can't have the whole Muffin and his face turns red steams steam comes out of his ears how he's about four and he screams. No. Everybody earshot devils over laughing. Good. And so and so he's like that as a teenager to the only time he gets mad is when we try to micromanage, you know, how he should live, right? The Muffin his captain of two soccer teams crazy straight as. Girlfriend nicest politest kid great fuck with that. Yeah. No you've done. It. Sounds Ted at great. Yeah. Awesome. Home. Ronan put all our work on the daughter now so fit but fifteen a rough age were you like fifteen night run in the streets. Really maher. I had already done LSD lollapalooza. Wow. Right into a Goth clubs on school nights and shit running circles around my parents who weren't paying attention things that my parents weren't great, and they were not paying attention. If your folks pay attention. She can't get it. How much she can she get into did you have older siblings? Now isn't only child but three stepsisters so the middle one and I got into trouble together. Okay. Yeah. Fifteen rough especially now a social media. We I didn't have that pressure of like I hear the teenage girls especially suffer because they're on Instagram. And then if you didn't get invited the party, you get to see I didn't get my daughter was in a funk for three days last because she didn't get invited to a party offs. And you just look at them, and you go I wish to something I could do or say, and you just realize no they just have to suffer. And it's it's so much. You're right. It's more frequent now and it's deeper now because not only did you not invited. You can see who did get up. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody. Time. They're having post the best pictures. Right. I think you see his skinnier and hotter. And who's got the cuter boyfriend? It's like it's way more pressure now. Yeah. Back at least in the nineties. We had these anti heroes girls. Like, you had you know, Janeane garafolo you had the grunge look or whatever you had like, Kathleen. Hanna bikini kill like, you actually had anti girls. Jesse westworld? Yeah. That that kind of stuff up on eight ball comics. And now, I don't know what the anti girl culture is because it's all main. It's all our Anna, grenade girls. Who look perfect are perfect. Right. I don't know what girls are looking for. You. Don't see the the Goth girls anymore. There's no there's no subculture. There's no anti early culture right now that I know of that young woman can be like, yeah. I might. I'm not perfect. I'm not a Barbie. I'd rather be a little stinky, a little weird a little punk a little whatever the Kardashians needed like a fat younger sister. They did. And then they gave her plastic surgery, and they really dollar fat out now. She's hot. Yeah. Which was used to be wasn't khloe the chunky. Kylie was normally fixed, and then they kind of just didn't profile the dude as much and they did. And he was fat fat and gross tried to lose some weight and his brother. Yeah. Yeah. So he got like, you know, he got a lot of attention because he's part of the group, but they still managed to shame him and make him be like that doesn't it suck that? Everyone's hot your family here. Yeah. Could you imagine it now like social media as a teenager? It's gotta be horrendous that I think I would I struggled a lot with teen. Just the pressures of fitting into groups. I was always switching schools. I think I think the reality of that without social media was laughing at handle, I think it would be much worse with it. It'd be much harder. There's a lot of stuff that our kids are going to go through that. We didn't. I mean, first of all school shootings. Thank you know. That's something that hangs over. I mean, they see it the news all the time regularly. My my daughter when she was in second grade. There's a park across the street from her school and they were at this park. It was like, you know, spring suck and you know, play day with little contests and races. And and there was a shooter who drove past and shots were fired over the park kind. They all had to dive on each other my daughter dove on a on a little preschooler and late. Top of her. And then they had to go into this like rec area and stay in the basement for like three hours because the guy was on the loose for like an hour. He killed like four people, maybe Santa Monica killing four people, and then they killed him at Santa Monica college. Oh, good. So she experienced the school shooting in second grade. That's really didn't have to deal with that now. No, no, let's crazy. And I think they are picking up on, you know, your kids hopefully, hopefully for a little change. But politically, I just know, you know, they're they're looking at a world with you know, politics that so divisive and so toxic. And they're looking at they know that the the global warming they understand that, you know, they're looking at these dates that come out in the news. I twenty thirty if we don't turn things around it's too late. And they're they're they're going to be all during that time. I'm I'm sort of like fucking I'll be dead. Yeah. But they're going to be dealing with that. Well, I will say to the millennials credit into this. I don't know what's what's generation after millennial. I don't know. Why why whatever is that they do have more of a consciousness about this stuff on the global consciousness that we just don't have because of the internet, and they create businesses that help the world and shit like that. So I don't know. I think they're good. I think they're going to create stuff that's got help. Yeah. They've totally different consciousness. They are they're good people. They are. Yeah. They don't they. They like they've incorporated capitalism with like causes and shit. Whereas our generation was like food capitalism in regions. You know? Yeah. Materialistic right, right. They better be attempt terrorism and not make any fucking money broke. Everything's gonna be automated by the time. They get out of college. Yeah. Anyways, here's a fart Mike in case. You have any I forgot to tell you earlier, what's the fart, Mike? It's just if you have to provide. Really? All right. Minor little corny today. Really dry driving up here had an essence of ethanol to it. Yeah. What do you think? That's from. Well last night our refrigerator died. So last night, we just ate everything that was in the freezer like frozen pizzas, ran its course. The fridge now it the guy came today it needs like some kind of a starter in the frigerator that died. Weird stuff. We just killed it. We just threw everything in the microwave and just sat front of the TV watch sopranos and like eight Chevy. That's awesome. That's crazy. Yeah. The farts are intents a great day to be here. I just hope I can, you know, show up. Well, let me know when it's ready. Okay. I'll I'll turn it on. We gotta get it out from under. This is dangerous right now the way it's rigged. Yeah. Dangerous to be watched the show dirty John now, not good. Okay. Gotta get into it. What is it? Netflix. Conman show now. No, it's on Bravo TV, and he seduces women than he steals their money and shit. He's real psycho. Nice. Yeah. It's get your daughter to watch it. So she can be aware that they're psychos. She dating she dating. Now. Not dating. Okay, good. She's she's a surfer. She spends a lot of time. So she goes. School. Should you should pull it to the left under here? Like that. Sorry, guys, wrapping Mike difficulties. Got to go for ethanol farts couple days a week. She gets up before school and goes and fucking serfs in February. What in the Pacific Ocean? Really, ken. Yes, she's intense have man. Yeah. That sounds wild. Oh, yeah. And then they and then she she served for her high school team. Let's her that's her Jim classic. Jim. I wish I had done that. Maybe these competitions all up and down the coast surf against kids from San Francisco and San Diego, I realize like when she goes to college or even for the rest of her life and tells that to ninety nine point nine. Yeah. Right. We'll be like you're making that up. Right. You surfed for school? Doesn't sound real. I want to join her shit now. Yeah. It's she she's got a skate. There's a skateboard park in Venice beach you ever been to that? Yes. I've seen it. It's really intense. They spent some money, and they, but it's like all the all the kind of tough punk skater kids hang out there. And that's where she spends a lot of time. Yeah. Okay. That's good though. I'll tell you why she's gonna be a bad ass bitch. She will be bad ass take shit from nobody. He's already talking about the tattoos and. Eighteen I don't need your permission. But if you give me your permission now, I'll help you pick the one that. Yeah. Now don't fall for that are. Yeah. You guys have tattoos. I have one tramp stamp. I got in the nineties. Yeah. What is it? It's a dragon. Nice. It's the lamest. I hate it. And I want it. I want it removed. You hit that shit. Tom all number. Yeah. Also got I got the word poisoned undermine waistband with an arrow pointing to my dick. Chicks in that. Not a college. Craig's. He really likes that you really tackled Greg fancy without. I think the families all gonna get Irish harps. Once the kids are old enough. Really that's cool because you know, that was the symbol of the rebellion against the British. When they occupied us as they tried to kill our culture. Not allowing us to call to speak it or play the harp. And so they would hide harps in the basements of farms in the country, and then they would sneak out there, and they would they would have sessions music sessions and they play the harp. G R T play the harp. Now. Almost constantly. Have you done shows shows? Now, dude, I'm looking to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to do. Humana. I'll go with you. Would you? Really fuck. Yeah. Although for no money, just bring me. Oh my goodness. Because my family wants to go to and I think we're I think we're planning a trip not this summer, but the following summer with my mom and sister and everything so yeah. I mean, the shows are pantley amazing. I heard I think I would feel kinda dumb. No, they're just so they're they're languages so much broader than ours and much more colorful. Yeah. Do you know that I did a show once abroad where I was given credit for a concept in the joke that I wasn't doing like in the right? Like they were like, and then and I I read the explanation of how smart it wasn't. I was like that's not what. No. I was just like I was there like, and then he double play back on it showing us how critique of like he was playing the part of a dumb person he said. I was just speaking how I speak his persona and his satire, we're dead on. Nope. His. That was just being me. Yeah. They are. Definitely. Yeah. There is like just a richer vocabulary. Yeah. Yeah. They are way smarter than us Europeans. I'd say in general able they say they're high school education as equals like our college. I absolutely I studied one year brought in England for college that that one year I learned more than my entire education in the US. Were you struggling where you like behind the other students? I don't know. It's different system. There is to to'real system. So I don't know the other. It's like one on one shit. So right. You didn't. I don't know. What people got all smart? Yeah. I think so I remember my classes, I did I did a semester and Madrid. And all those classes at university of Madrid were way more intense than the ones back home. Yeah. Yeah. For sure for sure you fluent in Spanish, I I mean, I pretty good. I was completely rocking and rolling in that era. Yes, GSI pushback then to not really in Madrid. I didn't I didn't get Spanish pose. I didn't I I'd love. Yeah. Wow. Is right. Damn. I know I really didn't. But but man the class. I mean, you were you those they didn't set us up like Americans for classes and Spain they registered us for classes at the university. Right. Right. Right. So you're with the general pop. Yeah. So it wasn't English speaking classes now. Oh, wow. We're doing term papers and everything in Spanish, you know, with Spanish students. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My kid's both. They go to a Spanish immersion program say start in kindergarten and hat, and they spoke to thirds their classes for the first three years were only in Spanish and half. The kids are spent from Spanish speaking home. So they homes, and they said they like have no they're fluent. They still take three classes a day in Spanish, and I school and like we went to Spain. And they're like, oh, yeah. They don't have an American accent. They have like a Central American accent. Because all the teachers are native speakers. That's just how they learned. It do you speak anything else? Besides English French, really. Something fancy. Lick my scrum. Be. You can just something else. Huma Paul say. You know, what I speak it? Well, in Montreal way, better than in France. Montreal they are like, hey, this'll be fun. Let's talk French together. You know, you talk to the cabdriver. They're totally into it. You go to France, and you speak in French. And they answer you in English. They no, yeah. No. That's happened to me here with Spanish where I used to do a bit about it that that when I would speak Spanish to a guy who clearly speak Spanish, like as in my mind as a way to just ease up make it easier guy. No, you speak Spanish as expansion. I'll just Spanish to you. They would answer me in English. Yeah. And it was like they didn't like very much sump Shen that I needed to speak Spanish, right? Right. Would always ask me back. Then was and I'm like, why are you doing my Spanish better than you're like why? Yeah. I'm just like, well, my English was good enough. Well, a lot of times for first generation Spanish speakers in this country. They they don't wanna be a so. Associated with recent immigrants, and so they won't speak it, and that's part of the proud this Spanish immersion program in Santa Monica, Edison language, academy. It's a public school, and they can't get Spanish speakers. Because the they don't realize that their kids have an asset to be bilingual. Yeah. In this world. Yeah. No, it's great. But they are like, no, I don't want my kids, speaking Spanish, and it's like an insecurity. That's keeping them from gap. Right. Are you familiar with dad Boehner's now? Okay. So there's a certain type of guy, it's usually guys. Honestly, they're usually white guys. And they get a level of excitement that is off the charts like the type of excitement you should reserve for like winning the lottery or something, but they get it for just goofy shit shit that you shouldn't get excited for it. All and we'd love featuring them. Yeah. And showing them so there's a new one, but to get to the new one we want to show you like the exemption. Dad Boehner this guy made a video of him coming to a part in the trans Canada highway where like where where it was it connected at some point. And look at how thrilled he is at a fucking highway. Okay. This just to give you an idea. So here's where it was paved. I finally found the section where it was paved. Oh, okay. Well. We are. The trans Canada Hardaway baby. And we standing in beautiful sunny birds Columbia. Colombina Markelle seven thousand one hundred and twenty eight and this is where I will leave with a ninety per cent. No mix ninety five percent. This is in fact, the very place. Where that TransCanada paved gates land section. Oh, yeah. Right here. This is where. Meets the. For a run on her show. Ashfall belt and their says the buckle. I want to see if I can gotta be careful here. But I. This. I don't want to. Have a truck walking slide. Okay. So it's a real person. I've so jealous that he can summon that excitement, right? Yes. We always say, I mean, here's the thing. And then he joyful sometimes we've been sent clips like a guy with a similar reaction to let's say drain slow a train. See that would be appropriate. I'm saying the ones that don't fit would be somebody seeing something in nature like whale-watching react. I'm like, yeah. But that's that merits a huge react seeing something amazing seeing a fucking highway. Get your shit together. Inanimate object. Yeah. What's going on? There train thing. Of course was nut. So here's a new one. You ready? I missed the dad bars. Okay. Yes. This think God, I love these. Where's your Elio dose a treat for you? Look over there. It's a vintage old Otis elevator natural elevators and Florida. Elevators both film these before. Oh, look at the Simon level. Right. Oh, wait for it to close. Nice elevator. Awesome. This elevator. These your fixtures Otis with black buttons. Oh, like the one at the Houston club building. Unfortunately, it got them all Jack enough. Here we go. Hit a number on the back of his hand. You see trolley survive? Hi, drove. Elevator down. Is there anything worse than getting a shitty elevator? When you get things, and you can hear the. Well, apparently, he hasn't lived in a shitty apartment complex. That's pretty exciting. I know if you go to found. Thrilled Otis ones in Hollywood, Jack, you're dick and any of the places we used to live in. What's the what's? The last thing you kind of got that excited about oh God. Lexa pro. I think you saw you you'd make fun of you get excited about I dunno crime shows getting saying serial killers, Ted Bundy, new new movies Hitler, docs, stuff like that. That'll get that level of excited. Now like that. How about you? I know my my friend and bought a an old five sixty s L those Mercedes convertibles that's cool. And she she fully restored it. And I just I don't know. I used to be a parking attendant for years. You were. Yeah. And and that car this guy Ron Shetty who is a he was the lawyer for the Gambino crime family, and he's to pull up in that car, and I used to fuck enjoy if you're listening Ron for Shetty. Thank you and sorry about the gas and wood. You're right. It was it was fucking tank weighed like three thousand pounds, but it was a V8. and that thing flu. But it just had the smoothest ride. And so when she pulled up in that I had to I had to drive she let me drive it. And it's got the giant steering wheel anytime out with the power steering. You know that decided about the excited. Yeah. So that I mean, I don't even. Yeah. I probably would on certain day, if you show me a certain car, I might geek out. Yeah. That but cars muscle cars now. I mean, I like I dunno. I geeked out as a kid over a lot of exotics. Yeah. And then. I didn't really I was really into land bows? But like I like sports cars in general. So like Porsches be certain BMW's, even like Mercedes like AM AMD GT's. I think are awesome. But yeah, I mean, I've seen Ferraris certain ones in person where I've definitely been like holy shit. Look at this thing. Yeah. Because it looks like a like a painting a piece of artwork it is. And it's and it's great because you can drive it. It's like a piece of art that you can actually take out and experience again, and again, and you know, they say money can't buy happiness, but such if you have a car now brings you joy every time you get in it that that improves your life. That does does if you get in the car where when you start the engine you're like, Aw, that's that's happening to you every day. Yeah. No. I always liked old old Mustangs, and that that rumble when you'd sit down and you underneath. And the noise of it. Yeah. That goes sixty six Mustang. Yeah. Those are pretty choice, man. What's the fastest car? You've ever owned the fast carve ever owned nothing crazy now. No, I've never had like a lightning fast car. I mean, everybody now to like even Rogan was saying, you know, that his he got that tesla, and it's way faster than is GT three r s no shit. He's like this things insane. Wow. They're releasing a new one test is going to release a roadster that goes zero to sixty one point nine seconds. Like, yeah. That's out of this world. There's nothing like a second faster. Yeah. Then a Farrar. I mean, one to sixty miles an hour long. Yeah. Stewing a quarter mile in like, eight seconds. That's that's really real question. How fast can it? Stop important. Very important. Yeah. And they're doing it, by the way that roads there will be two hundred thousand dollars which is a lot of money, but it's a fraction the costs of the cars that are performing at that speed. Yeah. So, you know, you're talking about LA Rory or the McLaren San or six seven whatever it is six seventy those cars that are in that two and a half to three second rank third hundreds of thousands more. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them are over a million dollars. Right. And then Tesla's like two hundred grand go one point nine seconds. Tesla needs something right back. Aren't they in trouble financially? They've been in financial kind of trouble. But I don't know. I mean, if this model three really works out. That's where that's right. Yeah. That's that could be the savior how much is that going to cost supposed to be thirty five grand. Take one really. I have a Prius right now. And I'm kinda done kind of done. What's going on? I've had it for eight years. And I just never felt at just feel little in it. And I think may because I'm a small person that's like a complex for me. Sure. His win like like this guy in a pickup truck. Just pull up next thing. I cut him off. Apparently, I didn't mean to but it was a merging situation. And he wasn't giving me room. And I I took it. He followed me home. What? And I was taking extra turns to see who's following me. And he was in one of those big like, you know, Ford f two fifties. Which are so. Cool plenty acquitted in the back or something do if you live in a city, and you drive a pick up just to drive a pick up your do. It's so he follows me to my house, and I stopped like a block short and he pulls up next to me. And he goes, hey, you cut me off when your fag a car. I just started laughing who fag. He has made me let's and they totally disarmed him. He didn't know how to handle it because he wanted me to push back. Sure. And I saw him pick something up as he pulled up next to me. So I was scared. But then the laughter just fused the whole situation. And then I let him curse. Nice chestful. Curses for me. And then he pulled off. And that was it. I mean Harith grease. Following clark. So Chris got mad like anybody else. But I'm follow you. Yeah. One time a guy accidentally I cut off in freeway traffic, and he started to swerve his car to pretend he was going to try to threaten to hit. My you know, what I'm saying? Like, he was like, that's a psycho. Bro. Maybe twenty six years old. I was like an Chevy Nova like when he fell like I was with you one time where you scared the shit outta me tonight. You're at the wheel we were at we were the second car to stop sign gonna turn onto a busier street and the car in front of us like just didn't go right away. She's like Hong. I was like of way. And then when we finally turned it was a car three guys, and they just start to chill back to see like what's up. Brandi honking. Yeah. I'm sure the only Moore's of these other guys in the car. But then I was like you are I never seen this weird day for me, gene. Do you always drive like this come on go unless have been going through some? One of these. Yeah. Scared. The shit out do before therapy. Maybe maybe maybe it was a while ago. Yeah. Sounds like it's scarred. You I'm sorry. No. I think about all the time. Shit because it puts you total if they're not gonna hit her. They're gonna hit you. All right. I gotta get ready to fight right now. You couldn't wait two seconds at the stop sign. Supplant, man. Trying to get you. Fuck advice man up. Right guy or what? Plus, I had this guy one time, and I was driving my son to preschool. And so he's like what is that four preschool? So we sit in the back, and I get to a four way. Stop. And this guy runs his stop sign and goes wide in front of my car. And so I hung at him. And then he gives me the finger, but he can't get past me because he went so wide. So I got Hatami car, and I went up and I punched his window as hard as I could. And then he pulled away and I stood in the middle of the road, waving them back, and I look over and I see my son just staring at I'm like good modeling. So the guy kept going and then cut to like two weeks later, I'm going to kid's party, and there's a little bouncy house, and I'm watching my kid, and this guy Jeff the standing next to me, and he's watching his kid, drink and fucking juice, boxes and hate in life. And he goes he goes that was me. Oh, I go. What are you talking about? He goes you punch my window couple of weeks ago. That was you. And he was the guy who he he created loss. He oh, he was he wrote the pilot with Jj Abrams. Oh what my? So he had a back to what let though he went wide on the turn. So why did I to slam on my brakes, and then I jumped out of the car because he was stopped though. Once you once that. Yeah. And you get out of your car. I got out of my car punched the passenger when you break the glass, though, punch a window. I have raged problems. So right, right. I've been arrested three times for fighting seriously. Why quit drinking? Yeah. You would never. Very different persons, so docile. Yep. Lot of therapy. Lot of therapy, and I quit drinking. Yeah. That's probably huge. She always have almost always had when I was drinking and the lights just go, and I just I just snap. But at that time you were. So yeah yourself. Yeah. And so when you when he tells you that was me, we laughed, but it wasn't a good enough of a laugh to release all the awkwardness. Yeah. Right. You know, because I think we both have raged problems him also. Yeah. Did he that's nice? Then do you think that? That he knew he knew like when when he saw us like, Greg when you did it or you, and I think he knew that I was in a white rage and didn't even take in. Maybe maybe the light was hitting the glass, I couldn't seem as well or whatever. But I didn't recognize did you. So you knew him though at the time. Oh, yeah. I him. But you just didn't realize it didn't realize it was him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could have gone right through that window. I know. But I really think my kids have my kids have seen me get angry number times. I try to control it. But you know, my father had it my father used to fucking. I remember one time he he grabbed we were in a bar. I saw him grab a guy in Rome against the wall. And he used to come home with he came up with a black guy one time, and yeah, he was he was a real. He was six foot two from the Bronx. So I got it from him. I think most definitely yeah. Plus that's generation that they didn't have a you know therapy or talking you're considered a massive pussy. If you show your feelings, right? So yeah, I think it's a New York thing also for sure. Cultural. It's it's Irish it's very Irish I wrote a book called, dear MRs Fitzsimmons, and it was a collection of letters that were sent to my mother throughout my life from from school like bad report cards lesson principal, and then she would clip out when I would get arrested for vandalism teenager. She would cut it out of the paper. She had found a shoebox in the in the Bronx in the basement. And it was it was like a fucking trophy case of everything I'd ever done wrong. Now, that's an odd choice apparent would keep those. I wouldn't personally that's not something. I would keep right shoulder. And right. You know, they would laugh they would read it. Oh, they would. There was one time where I was at a I was supposed to be at school. But there was a golf tournament and we went to Westchester country club. And we drank all my me, and my friend Nick Zappia, he had a motorcycle when he would drink and drive a motorcycle. We went to the golf tournament. We drank all day. And there's and there's a. So I go home and the next day were dinner, and my father goes so how was school yesterday? I got a fucking sunburn. I'm like it was good. What did you learn? I go, you know, the usual math reading catcher in the rye, you know, everything's fun. And he goes, oh, that's interesting. And he pulls out the New York Times and the front page of the sports section is Gary Hall burger hitting would out of the woods and me standing behind him watching him hit the show, and he showed it to me. And then they fucking laughter asses off. They did laughed every time they thought it was. 'cause it's Irish it's like an Irish thing of being rebellious. This is great. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of fucking. Yeah. I mean. Not like, a parenting, handbook pretty awesome. Pretty great secretly when my son is a little rebellious. I like it. I am like, yeah. You put a brick in, bro. Like, I'd rather him be like that and compliant and docile ride rather him be a little like this is what I'm gonna fuck. Fuck you. You know, we both. You know, he's three, but he'll go I'd like to play alone. Please. Because I see myself. Just get away from me. And he's saying especially when I'm like, hey, buddy. I give them like a kiss. I love. He's like, please. Let me play alone. All right. Awesome. Go like the other side of the re and. Camillo fucking space. Right. That's great. Yeah. I love it. I like it. I like communicates that way really healthy before. I don't even know if we address it where can people see you coming up or podcast. Alison rosen. It's called childish, and it's on, you know, the usuals I tunes and childish pod dot grind. Subscribe rate review. Subscribe check it out at soon. Really? Well, we got on all the charts. And we got a lot of nice reviews from people childish pod. This is called childish. But childish pod is the media is all childish pot on Twitter. And then I get some standup date and Fitz dog radio is my podcast on that. But. And then I got some dates coming up. I will be at the eagle something casino in Michigan. Plan howling eagles. Yeah. February twenty seven February twenty eighth through March second. The Grand Rapids, Michigan grand, Dr grin. Bob at the Bob. Right. And then I'll be at the sycamore tavern March twelfth Springfield mass March fifteen through six fourteen through sixteen and then March seventeenth at the Hollywood improv. I do my big Saint Patrick's Day show you guys around. I'd love to have you on it. We have our baptism March on Saint Patrick's Day, we did intention to enhance. You're right. Bro. It's so we don't have to take another class. If falls in. There's like a schedule where I hid baptize. Yeah. And then we had to schedule obviously, the second son. And like if you do it in this window. Oh, no shit. March. We waited even like a month or something we'd have to do the whole thing again. So how Catholic are you guys not very just as a family things? We're literally doing because my parents are alive. Right. Yeah. We didn't do it in. I'm convinced. My mother did it behind our backs 'cause you know with Catholics. It doesn't have to be a priest. Anybody who's a Catholic who is in good standing who's done their confession and taking their communion recently can can grab a kid and do a few prayers, really? Yup. Those fucking classes for not right? Well, not only that damn it. We're gonna get married on a beach. My dad was like buddy, you'll break, everybody's heart. If you do that. I was like what you gotta do it church. And then when I first when we were talking about the are older kid getting back. That was like, yeah. I don't care. My parents were like what was like. All right. Sure. Fine. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel about almost all of it like, yeah. The option if he wants to be Catholic. He's already in the system big deal. Right. Have grown further apart from it. Now like, I was raised like pretty happy. And I'm like, I don't care like I was raised CCD class on Wednesday mass on Sunday. And all the all the all the sacraments. I loved it. Thank god. And then I had a very I was very upset when I realized that a lot of it was made up. Yeah. Yeah. Violated by that. I loved it. As a as a small kid love that even like eight nine ten years old. This is great. I had a whole thing. I talked to die talked to God, you know in my head. I talked. It wasn't like the usual leg begging for shit. When you need it from God. It was just more. Like, I really, you know, I grew up in a great church. It was very like progressive, and I like the priests, and you know, CCD classes were very enlightening great parents were teaching and I just felt really comfortable with it. I didn't have a lot of shame. Yeah. I think, but you know, I think a lot of the New Testament stuff really connected with. But it's all gone now, do your kids did you like my daughter? I think because she grew up with so many Latina kids with the crosses and the first communion and all that. And then my mother is super Catholic says she takes a church all the time. My daughter loves it. And she does she wants to know EV she's very deep thinker. My daughter can sit and stare into space for half an hour straight. She was always like that. And so she was captivated by the mythology of the church, and like we'll go to church and she want me to explain like, the transfiguration, and the ascension and all the all the heavy stuff. And and it makes her like we went into a church one day, and she lit a candle in sitting there kneeling she was seven years old. I was like what are you doing? She goes. I'm praying for your father never met my dad. I was like, wow. Well, you're. If your son into it now. No now. He's into Dianetics right now. It'll help his acting career. Now, he's right at well. Conceal pain. Now. Gullible tales. I know. I didn't wanna say anything negative. It's like the boy scouts, but it's nine edit. Sued and you're the best. Absolutely. When I say this. I've not I don't say this about most people one of the best comedians. I've ever seen really every time anywhere and you're onstage. I make it a point. Yeah. Sue, stay in the rounded. Thank you so much. You are one of the best. Go see him live. Download subscribe rate and review the childish podcasts that he's down doing with Alison Rosen who got bless everything. Well in the hospital and a set that scene. John. We'll be back to loving each other on the us after this quick break. Gene. Did you know that sixty six percent of men lose their hair by h thirty five out deer thing is when you start to notice your hair loss. It's too late. 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Man, we've been butting heads for years, but we we able to squashed that beef just for the packing world. Sure. Good friend hilarious comedian cow Canadian. Yeah. No, no. It's weird people say shit like that. And they'll be absolutely no just like when you like, obviously, we've been friends with Kyle for over a decade. And then it just occurs. You're like, oh, yeah. We've never podcast, but I've never I've never I've ever given thought to something like that. Like, you just go like, I don't know that hurts. Well, I'm sorry. But we've been friends is not. So I mean, I just don't I don't know. Sometimes you you look at the list of names, you realize you like I've never podcast with this person. But it's only for just absent mindedness. Yeah. What about the forgivable Kyle Canadian? We can have. And now we got beef broke now. Using your amazing came here to start be star. I I don't know. You're very funny. Why didn't you have Kyle before? He's very busy. He's always on the road. He's always doing stuff around for like six weeks, and he's chapstick enthusiast. Yeah. The lip balm. What kinda guy? Let's talk about it. You know, what this is a random one at my house that never lay blown it. So let me look at it open. It I tell you what gee it looks OJ, Medicaid, go. Visit smell like an original chapstick is it kinda Medicaid. Yeah. Medicine E G A. Oh, by the way, we have a fart Mike here. I don't know what you had for lunch. But if you feel like farting, there's a microphone here and just let me know, and we'll turn it on and you can find into it. Oh, it's her idea whose take who's taken you up on that. Oh at her answer that I mean, I have have has a guest farted yet. Nope. What's the what's the maintenance of that micro? Phone between. Usually goes from Christina's ass to the desk. She didn't want us to fight it in there too. Once when we were having this studio set up I was like civil shoot next week. And she was like is the Mike ready? I was like I'm not really worried about that. And she was like why are we even moving to that studio? Just which twelve year old version of what he was like one day. It's me because I had mixed mixed tapes of just farting at a box back that you have the actual was that some fifty eight. Sure. Sure. SM fifty eight sorry. This is forty. Did you go into ghetto center with like the specifics of like NET microphone for a very very special specialized there's a specific mission? Where is it unit? Directional. Oh, yeah. It's coming down from. It's a one way a wonder action. What did you say you farted out of a boombox? So you into a boombox back when you could just record. That was has the built in microphone that was the funniest thing. I could've ever heard as a child was too far. And then play it back. Never thought of that. Yeah. Just blasted into the Magnavox. Hell were you thinking smart? I think I said, I think I'd be single digits. Oh, yeah. I think as even younger than that back when the double deck the double decker she now you hear that single digits maybe eight or nine years old. He was right that he was he invented fart Mike band. Here's a fart Mike right now for us. I'll see what I can do. Here you're more than welcome to it. You know, just give a headache. Now, if you don't mind, I haven't had my mom loves you sad with what I've done. Let's say wouldn't get that ticker count. Are you on a vegan diet vegetarian? I knew it. Are you knew I could sense your which means I made some MAC and cheese, and I made a can of Amy's chilly and a mix them together today. Being a chef good Niamey's chilly will make you fart for. Sure. Huts? Tailed coffee shit right into the thing. Oh, yeah. Two key matching how fucking epoch that would be for a podcast clip. Kyle grab the fart Mike and shit. All over. Great make ripple in the podcasting world. He just he left Hollywood. A lot of people do stuff that's career ending. He'd truly executed his own career. Man. I wish that would happen right fart. Mike. How do anything half SP? Go getter in this town. Oh, man. I'm sure I've met Kyle thirty two years ago when we started stand up, and yeah, we did our company sexual half hours. That's right. Oh, man that you put that picture up a few weeks ago that was the same night. I look at all the half hours. Now, people the audience was great. Everything's a hated it. Yeah. It was his I remember how nerve racking. It was like the going into it. You know, there is like this steppingstone. Kind of thing you would try to figure out like people get hours. But before that you get half an hour. I don't know about you. But I was I was having the my manager submit. Yeah. And so it was like the first year they said, well, no. But you're on the radar and then was like, oh, okay. And then the second year, they're good manager thing to say. Gives a fuck about you. Radar. They didn't can't. Let's casting every every casting session. They really. The next year was they are the the here's no. But you're going to get one. I was like. I I don't even remember the process leading up to it. Now, I think I was in a high time of like. I'm just going to do whatever I was like started tour and do my own like DIY shit. Yeah. If stuff came around. I was like, oh, that's cool. All right. I'll do the half hour, and then I was kind of not unappreciative. But I knew like nobody did it change anything for you. Watch them. Now, I don't know because then you look at the collection of your career. Yeah. Like where you were. Then where you are now. So who knows which one of those things that's led to the next thing. I'm glad I got to do it. But nobody saw those you like it you said it was miserable. What was it wasn't? No that wasn't miserable. It was just you got one taping. I'll my guy we didn't get tapings. And then when it's your first big TV thing. Like now, I know that oh, I screwed that up. I'll do it. Again, just tape it again. And I tell the audience like just don't worry I got this ill laugh again. 'cause I screwed up the words, and it's fun. And this was the first thing we everything's going to be perfect. But then you didn't know how to settle into the crowd. They're taping. It has to be everything has to be perfect and it just fucking nerve, right. Yeah. It was more knowing how to deal with it. That's why I thought we did it with full cheer on and he Larson. Yeah. Full run was putting it in the booth and fulltime was put his own commercial breaks into a special and funny. Ever seen because of their with the people that are in like going to the monitor everything he would just finish a joke and go we'll be right back. Good. How does he know what we're going to say? And we're back anyway. Plays. Like, he can't he doesn't know what we're gonna put the commercial full charge. That's still one of the funniest that tickles me the most that will. Oh, here's this. Here's a story in a comedy story. Everything about did you ever do the laugh riots? Contest. You remember that release? I didn't do. But it was it was like a regional stand up competition that comedy central heads like the mid west would have won. And they submit in. They get ten people to do the Chicago zanies and the winner from that. And then the winner from the Texas one they'd have ten of ten winners. The finalists will come to LA voor to show, and I wanted in Chicago, and I was already planning on moving LA. But when that regional thing, I'm like, well here come show biz by plane ticket moving there, and I did and because that's you could get on premium blend that that was the first step. Remember before have hours for sure it was premium blends, and there's in the top three people top three winners of the laugh riots would get a premium blood. Spot. Well, I did so bad on that show. I know I came in dead laugh because not only top three winters nine people got on premium blend from that show except for me, and I'm so bad. And then I got just drink all the free drinks could backstage until the venue closed down. And I just moved to LA like a week before. And I didn't I was like my friends are at some bar, and I was just alone at the Key Club on sunset. Stagehands a lady stagehand, but like overalls like, a real tough gal. Yeah. She's like, I'll give you a ride and she got her onto civic and she stopped at a norms to buy coke. I. So we're in. We're always open norms. Yes, we never we never close. No. Yeah. Norms. When Denny's is a little too fancy. Denny's. But with open a lot of open toed sandal, so we stab at a norm parking lot to to buy coke. And she like, she's a bigger gal. So she had to hoist herself up out of her civic to go to the other car to buy drugs, and she just beefed just like for more, and I would already drunk just goes woops. Like, no shame to woops, and then shut the door hot. The drunk failure. Like ABS sitting there just like in her stink failure. Got back in the car and gave me like a ceiling. Folded up magazine pages. I hear party opened up. It was still like a bunch of big wasn't crack, but it was like big rocks. And I'm like shouldn't we chop this up? She's like, yeah. If you're a pussy and side just tried to snort these big chunks coke. They just wet my nose at fell out on my shirt as I left my family and friends. I left my loved ones to pursue this dream like within a week of being. Here's like you're not gonna make. Cut out for this. She dropped me off at the bar. My friends were the front Kyle not now Iran in the bathroom because she came in looking for me like Huck like the the, you know, like the what was the was that the big foot that was putting like put your little use like the. Yeah. Looking for you, remember when you bomb that do, you know, it was it like out of the gate bomb or you like opened and you're like shit. Yeah. Because it was it was like like, Jamie Kennedy hosted it, and he was drunk before the show even started. So he's screwing up people's names. And then like the like, you could tell who the favorite the intone favourite was. And again, I get my head before. I do a set you could tell the crowd was kind of checking out already like talking to each other. Like, here's my pro. I didn't know how to hang out. Yeah. Here's the bits that got me here. And I'm gonna say them how they're supposed to be said with finesse or like relaxing into it. And it was like and there and I'm done. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At least you gotta premium blend. I think I never get it. The laugh Ryan sorry. I got the laugh riots. Filmed, less horrible. You know, what I'm just realizing Kyle is that I've known you from million years, but I've never seen you in daylight. Like, you're one of these people have only ever seen like that in a club accommodate club most relationships comedies restaurant like who've man. Look so different in the light of day. Yeah. Handsome, gentlemen. I was gonna go the other way. I'm like, we all look a little busted in the daily. Not an all them stage lights on afternoon, nap before I really shine. You look like a gentleman voice. Yeah. Voice doesn't make me sound like I'm living. Well. People have I've I've had multiple messages sent to me where they're like. It's so weird to get like on Twitter. They'll be like, do you look like you should have Kyle contains voice? Not your shitty voice. Cool. Thanks, man. Isn't it isn't it? So fun. We'll be like you've really sucks should have is with. Well. I don't know. How like I'm not built for like, you guys and all the fat jokes and of just opened the world of inside jokes everyone. Yeah. I don't like any of that stuff with somebody like I'll shave my beard like it was pretty short, but I'll shave it off, and so many people just strangers are like, hey, you know, how you normally have a beard, you should grow that back right away. Just tell me my face is ugly. That's what you're saying. I sent you a picture. Yeah. I know what it looks like. Yeah. But the fact that people just like, hey your face. It's bad tonight. Feel should come. I was just trying to have fun them. But you're a friend. Okay. This is just I'm saying strangers show the other night and somebody just because I had worked with Burt before like all right Birt's fat, man. I'm not part of I don't know. So bad. I'm not all fat. Now, he's but he's the he's the most recent races few and believe fun Burt fund Berg, dropping bombs fund bird of the Clinton meaning sound bite. I do I have it somewhere. Did you? Burt dropping stuff. Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh. I didn't realize we had footage is from his latest special to record before the starts going. No, no, no, no all his blackmail shit on me. I said before we know that would have been by the way. That's what you're. Comic Kyle Kennedy know, the R word the N word the c word. Well, I can't find him. What kind of let are you on front of? Now say I wonder if it's on the that masterless is the bird thing on there. You know, if that's on there. He says he doesn't think. So of course, not. See see now. Now, I don't have it. Okay. Well, he. What were you gonna say is the most racist fat comedian there? He is right there. Just admitting to it. Yeah. I have him saying something super racist. When he was on our show like knowingly saying remember his own damn. Well, there was that. He would he set that Asian family on fire? But there isn't a time that he. Forget. Anyways. I'll find find it at some point. Okay. Probably. But anyway, yeah, I was never part of that whole see. But people just tell me your comedian birds. Fatima cowed, right? Yeah. I guess the, but if you had a going with you, and like one of your close friends, and you guys were endorsing it. You know, then people Kyle. If I shave my face, and my friends like man, your faces fucking terrible. You're my friend, let strangers faces ugly drop dead. Yeah. Fuck that bury yourself and take your mother. Kinda guy that's like ball busting y-. You know, like those east coast radio guys fucking mom suck my dick. Right. Like, you're not that guy festival guys came up convicts guys like oh glasses glasses. What do you? Guys glasses crew. Must be New York comic. With your cutting whips. Mango these guys can't get enough of that kind of. That makes me so nervous. I get very uncomfortable listening to those kind of shows where they're just like shit on each other. I it's not for me. I don't listen any pud Cass about comedy. I see enough comedy way. I don't want to don't. Don't let it come into. Now, what keep myself here? Comedy. I'm amazed. When someone's like watching comedies drop in on like like new special. But then I'm watching it just to hate it. And my thought the way to go about it is right. I watched watching the Americans watch great show down at all. But when you're a comic though, and you're around this all day, you writing performing you're seeing it you want to be entertained the other side. Yeah. Same reason people are at comedy shows because their lives are boring or traumatic all thank you to laugh right now. I've left planning some real something to make me cringe. Same way, I need to drop into somebody's real life. That has like connected relationships or. You just come home at five PM a medial. You don't try and squelch the boredom with drugs or alcohol. Therapist twice a week. I I do have my friends go to bed at ten. Wake you wake up and do shit in the morning time, even Rachel by girlfriends up. I'm like, wow. All right. Well, good luck. This part of the day. Well, you at MU we used to sleep in until noon, then we had children. And now like I'm up at six AM every day. It's brutal. It took three years for me to get used to that schedule. 'cause my normal is nocturnal hint. I used to be up 'til two three in the morning and then. But. Every fucking you ever live your lives. Now, knowing that your kids could go through the archives. It's not it's not a good thing to think about. Definitely got a library of like, I really wonder if like kids and not to pile on the Louis. My kids are assholes like you laugh at it. But then eventually kids he called us assholes to strangers. I do I do jokes about my folks. I don't think they're main. But even after the show have to ask my parents kills them mean it, I'm doing I'm I'm at this point now where I'm like, hey. Is really mean? Really? Yeah. It's really mean. But like, it's helping your son, you know, and provide for his family, and she's really. Really, do you? Do you do that from the bluetooth in your blue Porsche? Put food on the table. Hold on. I got downshift. It's remorse. Open it up in his car pool lane. I can't I won't tell my mom like how much or anything when she she's always after like how? But how was how will your bills? I'm like, I'm fine. I know it doesn't make sense that I tell jokes and I'm fine. But you know, but the mean stuff I'm like look at how much everybody else laugh. My family so dysfunctional that I actually do have family members that won't speak to me because of said on this show or my act. Oh, yeah. And it's kind of a favor, it's a blessing the skies. I I'll to face time with my mom and show her cash like a big. You're like a rapper. Yeah. Yes. Your muscles. You got the phone call. President. And then I'll send her a gift, and she'll be like, ooh, like what is this? And it'll be a mug with her face asleep in a picture on the mug. We just made those those appreciate those gifts. Oh, no. No. No. I always. Oh, I wanna make my mom cry. Do you like your mom? Yeah. I mean, I've argue with like, my parents my thing ever years every mother's day, I sent her flowers, but the message only because I know the floors tested handwrite, the mess like sometimes I do like hostage notes. Done like threats. Threatened or through it. I I'd be like me meet me with the money at the docks like other shit, just a stranger has the right? But now every she loves it every year. She's like look at voter mother's day. I'm running out of ideas. I'll just like to pick a language to put it in there. That's really funny. Valentine's day. Did you send her of does your, mommy? Your valentine's. I talked to her today. She said happened. She she does send me Valentine's. If I lived if I was in Chicago, still I would still have to look for Easter basket. She loves the holidays. Sweet. She's a big fan. She's a fun lady. Now. That's nice. I mean, my mom's I mean, my mom's pretty nice, but we always we've fucked other. Yeah. Whole life. So I'm used to my mom was a bitch. She's dead. Oh, yeah. Well, that's two out of three right guys. Two out of three. We love our moms. You know? Fad and she's dead. So okay. All right. Okay. Cool. Comics percent motherly love comic guys millet niggers. Where's that come from? That was. Wow. Dot come back. I know everybody else's career ruined. And you have a studio for that kind of bullshit. Shot world tour on sale now. Go. See burton. Are you going to bookcase cut? It should add again. It's it's it's really crazy actually. What did I have for you? Oh, you know what I found? I couldn't find of course. I can never find anything. But I found Moore we had big daddy Kane on. Yeah. And I was trying to tell him. What is it is it in my ass hole, smells, have cheeses crass pages girlfriend like? Seriously. Are you dating a serious relationship committed? She's not a comedian, though, she works income. And so she's adjacent to the world to you demand. She eats your scrum. Licks your scrum doesn't screw related. Have you ever asked for that? Which parts the scrim. It's basically like you're raising cake. You know, like where the where the Dookie comes out of. That's a raisin cake. I think so sake like your balls will be raising cake because they look raising in there like a little loaf. I mean center I'm up for the argument. I think that's it. Stance. Stated yours. I mean, no, I don't need it. I'll I'll dish it out. But I don't need it. I never want. Like, she'll send me you seem like a guy that demanded but keep going. No. Well, this thing like she'll send me dick pics in their of my deck Wilma sleep and never wanted to see my body from that angle. Got never wanted to see my my dick and balls from the feet up. Yeah. That is not only is it not find it attractive. What how what's wrong with you? Like, I'm glad but the fact that I would even have to know what my butthole would be like, right? And plus, well, your Browns are messy or vegetarian? Mo I'm pretty pretty decent about that. That real clean after no Squatty potty. Yeah. Squatty potty just opened up your system. Pretty are. You pretty regular. I don't know. What's regular? You know what I mean? Like you. Are you like what is it like twice a day? Was it? Same time. Every morning kinda thing if I throw some coffee in there. Yeah. Get me to coughing. I do I scare my girlfriend. I do think color Tongan death, March just kind of slap in my stomach. She's like what's going on drumming up business. And like truly thought that I was like getting it all to fucking burger kingdom or burger time down into the right position. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do that. I go camping a lot of shit outside. Yeah. You guys talk about shit all time shit outside a house with a yard. Now. You can just do that backyard. Yeah. Yard in the backyard. A few times believe it I think because it to Burke did do it too. Because of a reason or does coast drinking drinking in the backyard. Well, then yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I'll do like dig a hole and you do that in your own yard, though. I don't have a yard living apartment. But I mean if you had a yard go to the park. Or the duck. Yeah. Now camping or something. I'll go I'll do like mountain biking up in the woods. All right. We gotta do this here. Yeah. We've got a handle this business. Yeah. Dig a hole, and you and you squat in a proper way that you should be. That's the way. That's the way you're supposed to do it to Turkish toilets or whatever. Like oh. Could you do? That's the best way. Yeah. Opens it up. Yeah. I know so can you? So she's can you be yourself with. I guess I guess I don't understand people. Like if you're not married a comedian. I say what I want to him. We're horrible to each other. But I also don't did to censor yourself sometime. No. Because that's not something. I would talk about like, my scrum wouldn't be you're not into that kind of dialogue with her. He said that was disgusting. Right. Kind of saying he that's what he says to me time Bill to them. Mystified by. I mean. From the. Yes left. It's fucking ridiculous. The studio that far. You gotta see this other cargo. But but here let me just ask you, this is this something you would do to your lady last night. Tom goes, he'll go make a Brownhill come back, and he'll be like have a great story for you. I'm like, what is I sat down, and then I made a Brown. And then I flushed, and I'm like, that's not even a real story. But he's he's always telling me nasty shit. Are you nasty like that with your lady? No, yeah. Don't wanna preserve right, something you see her as a woman still. Yeah. Somebody sexually. The whole the whole eighty to me. Yeah. Try to cause a rift. I mean, there's nothing come here to start. It's been for fourteen years. So we'll in what are you getting upset about? Now, you go. Oh, I did by the way. Teen years in. Now, you bring it up. For the whole time. I thought yesterday I told a pretty cool story. She made it sound like it was like really juvenile run it by mail. So I was in Reno. And I was I was supposed to start. Yeah. I was supposed to take a ride back on the bus after the show Saturday night and snowstorms flying out. So I spend the night and I'm like. And I'm like kinda bummed about that wait tour bus at a tour bus, take me. Oh, it was great. I was like that you're doing well. Oh, yeah. Greyhound still. How so excited because the idea the whole plan was finished the show Saturday night and immediately get on a bus go to bed wake up at home. I was like, that's so anyways, they let me know like we can't do it anymore. So you got fly out of Reno the morning. So I spend the night they're not happy about it. Get up early get to the airport. And I I was with Josh Potter, I go. Hey, hold my bags. And I, you know, which is the one of the best by the way advantages of traveling with friends bring your back that must be even the bags with somebody. You know, that's the bows. Oh, free and clear into the bathroom that you're carrying on your closet. And then I don't wanna put stuff on the ground. You see Ps? I'm like, I'm watching the coat bend with the way to my. I mean, so filthy. I just go in there, and I handle this anyways. I just let out a couple of crazy for nothing else comes out. I get home. I fly. I get home eighty the story gets more better. And then I go home, and I I'm ready for now. It's been a couple of hours. I get home homeless sit down a couple other huge farts. Then I fought in the kitchen, you're like, hey, take it easy. There's people walking around. Nanny helping us out. And then and then I shit later. And then that's the whole story like this to your leaning Arnold think she'd be interested I wasn't eating. I think it's a pretty good story. I think anybody that doesn't have the Reno start made it says, right, right? Ooh. Reno. Maybe you guys aren't up on storytelling. But anyways. Couple emails. People wrote in with see here. Oh, this was like, I guess we discuss this on the last thing about our pronouns that yes, Starbucks has a pronoun pens for the employee's to wear him hers them, they, you know, yet you up on your donor stand. They because that's plural. Well. Introduces day like. Good do elect an interesting, though, they it was more of a grammar thing. I have now. Now did the person make the distinction to be introduced as they? Oh, it was. Okay. So they said like bring. Yeah. All right. Well, I wondering if maybe Polly and by pins aren't far behind and then this person wrote burp burp Scherzer's fat. Wow. All right. Let's just keeps. When believe how much people love that shaming Burt. It's really taken if Bert doesn't care. So good point. That's a good point. Any kind of enjoys the attentional little. Yeah. It's not it's fat recognition. That's true fat. Look shame there. I like to say angle. Thank you. Pronoun. What's your pronoun? What are you going by these days? Kyle guests fella fella. Yeah. Him him has. Oh, it must be interesting to hear Kyle's take on this. Because this is in response to an earlier episode said, hey, what's good? So this bitch. I work. Fun thing on our. So this bitch. I work with poorly whistles old MacDonald every single mother fucking cont. I had a vision punching her as hard as I can in the chest. Also, does she also does and says absurd shit? You know, how people said. Say shit. If they make a mistake or something of that nature. She will say cats or Jenkins to off the top it off. Looks like an identical to white shrewd from the office. And that is from Nathan we were just talking about. I think it's kind of power power trip, passive aggressive thing. When you're you know, maybe waiting in line at a coffee shop or somewhere. And then there's some guy now public whistlers were. And it's the only thing that the better you are at it the more of noxious. So you want somebody to be like, look how good I can whistle. I think now the retaliation is just shiftily whistle. Something else with that person and shit like chime in or just seventies whistling good. Yeah. Do you buddy? Vicky. All right. Yeah. No. I I agree that public whistling should be forbidden or even like, you know, it was a gym locker room. And it's like, you're just obviously you're winding down you're gonna get cleaned up. And then there's a guy, you know, there's only two or three of us in the in the locker room, and he's just like. Elicit the hallway through whistling to the shower whistling on the way back? It's like all right, man. I think we all get it. Try to be pretty tolerant of a lot of things. But that one's tro show won't it. I mean, I don't know if this guy should punch her in the chest. But I probably know I see I understand. I want. You also seems like he's got some other issue. That's I think he was gene Pompa was it or top note. Sorry, Tom Papa on his Instagram. The other day had a video of a guy a full grown man playing a video game at full volume on an airplane. Like just how the ipad out full volume. Boop. Boop, boop up like, oh my fucking God. That's fine. Ear blend do say stuff. Yeah. I'd say something at that point. Like brought can you buy thing is the women are stupid? Okay. All right. Classic New York comedy. Stupid fucking dumb Bish. Where'd you learn how to whisper a helicopter? At what point do you step it like when the TV screens are on the headrest? Sock your mom at it. And that's all I'll give a look I turn around like, you know, my heads to this. And then I'm just like, hey, man. It's a touch screen. You just you just have to buy the heat of your finger. Not the pressure right Colo. Oh. Back in the day. Boom, boom, boom. And I've turned around like could you could you please? And she was like buck. You you bit. Like, she got mad at me. Oh, yeah. She's like Bucky. I'll do what I want. And I was like, okay. Yeah. To call over the flight attend. This is years ago. She was like hammering it was probably on your mom's house. I brought it out and Utah excuse me. You know, every time you do that. I feel it do you mind. And she was like, I'll do whatever I want like she was Sassan back to me. And then I had to call a flight attendant. She's kind of crazy. Have you retaliatory of arted like, yes, I just interface. None of that time. But I I have farted when people next to me were being very annoying, and then I fart. He do that to a school. Defensive she I'll say. She also did it to somebody who didn't do anything wrong. And then the lady was like thirty diaper in here. Like because Christina was kinda lady was not smart. I'm going to go that wasn't an accent from country. Bad. You don't learn that accent keeper target. That's not a region. Because of this a lot of women out there fully full of shit and stupid. How would you say to your lady? No, no, no, no. I would definitely. Let me tell you. I live with a small amount of fear every day. I like really happy for that. From from your lady really talking about it. What are you afraid? Like what how did you? Not a bad way. But like pounce keep you in check. Make me flinch. Yeah. A lot of that. Really? Yeah. I love it. It's very tractive. Yeah. Yeah. A lot for Narita. No. I was I was growing up. I love it. Yeah. You would like I think he would like hard rock, Nick. Oh for God's sake. One guy who's rock Rodney. Well, this dues bad. So sounds like it. Yeah. Like you ever wear pink big fan of embroidered, satin, jackets, you're everywhere pink. Are you comfortable with that? Yeah. You don't have a lot. I don't have had the couple shirts. Well, all right. A couple of guys like like, oh that a real guy. Yeah. A lot. Why do I wear pink? So much I wear pink. Because I like pink pussies, you know, like inside I like to actually spread the pussy lips open while I'm fucking missionary that shit hot. And other reason I like pink or wear pink is because if you look at all the richest men in the world, which I'm one of I have twenty million in the Bank. No bullshit, Google it shook him I thought contest keys, Google on all the richest men in the world where pant fifty cent. Where's pink, Tom Cruise whereas paint, Simon Rex? Buck and wears pink condoms. So that's what it is Simon. I twenty million in the Bank and buck and growing. You don't need hair. When you this good-looking, Betty, that's not a real I refuse to believe that like now that have been coming as a character. It is is right. Here's the thing. If it was just this video I'd be like just fucking savage, but like committing that fucking edges sketch Goto shit. Yeah. There's more. That's like, yeah. That's the Mr. fuzzy. But I don't you think you're just kind of hating on him because he's so successful, and he's got paint shirts. And. And don't be here. I mean, I appreciate his humility. This is him. How many people we got here? Not even four hundred man, the artwork wasn't thirty dollars. But thank you. This is one piece of our work. I mean, y'all don't wanna come in on the fact that I'm sitting in a douse dollar custom movie theater chair and a half five of. Retarded? This all these people under doodo movie theater seats five thousand dollars. That's why movie tickets are so much. I got to pay for. This people under thirty five was wrong with you guys. Why are you? So angry bitter was. Felt robbed of your youth was at Columbine. Was it all these mass shootings that you guys got terror struck in you from your media, mom and dad what the fuck I was happy. When people got rich deep still happy when people get rich on a game show or from winning the lottery or from winning American idol or from success or a comeback like remind God, this is just the tar Gatien of your generation. Also, see no he used up to Amazon deliveries a week. Now. It's one. Oh, you're right. You're right. It used to be to his hardcore Knicks backstory as hard rock, Nick. Well, it's funny. His bio his bio a little info on heart. Like, Nick, the bio really lays it out. And it's what it's gonna make. You do is probably write your own bio if you don't mind to anyway. So that's what I'm saying. Oh, could you read his bio out loud? It's right there. That's his bio he go rape genie. Yeah. Totally. Perfect. That's what is you. Don't get. No witches. But I'm out now. I'll give you something to which. What are you? So it's in a caption. All right. So he posted that picture go ahead on on my twelve Mercedes-Benz like as a hotdog eating. Yeah. My twelfth one that keep fucking these things up. Born in Las Vegas, you could stop there. Yeah. A lot of houses where did he usually shop though over thirty thousand dollars tattoos on my body usually shops. Oh, okay. Average one Amazon. What does that have to do this? He's always shopping, bro. How many patches week you get bit? Cow. But without saying what he gets. Got ten pack toothbrushes, Amazon, that's my pack. Just we worth a good. Good three fifty three hundred fifty million that come house. I live in prefer aiding pussy from the back. Okay love. And I mean love get mud Dixon. Feels good almost three hundred pounds. But carry it like two hundred ten pounds. What a specific. No like way too didn't to go to hundred because that's that's too obvious to ten true. I think about that lexin the shit out of my house a lot of Alexis. To he's got a lot of. I mean, that's that's when he was stunned on your guests. Check out all these Alexis. I got a Alexa, and then he just. And then he just doesn't understand half the shit you say to her anyway looks a keep Alexa company. This is this is where the meltdown starts us. This guy's house. If it's true. That's how the robots learn to communicate with one another defeat the humans. That's where I go with it. Like, this guy is going to be the cause of it. Look. Hi lashes. Cares firms. He does care for himself. You hate. And I just said he cares for himself. Okay. Just wanted to make sure it was. He looks like the right. Those look like fake lashes. I think this guy does throw a little bit like on the makeup every I think, you're right. I think he's gone. Rich and crazy, but then messes around with some Mickey think he's rich. That's the women are mother flock in Hayden conce. Any finance white girls? Well, that's another thing. He's also racist. He didn't love him. Now. If didn't let them before. I mean now, you're really gonna can you read this out loud Cayo Miklas wrote ladies if you have an asset this and a pure white American born female mixed with Mexican or Israeli and shit. Have light is a career. And we'll let me put my face in it every time you bend over the sink to hear makeup get at me. I wish you would read all of this guy. Looks like he's whatever ethnicity genies are from. No Mexicans right now. Every genius Mexicans. I know. Yeah. I think you're right. It's always like a Mexican is. This is like a self. Hey, always Mexican Israel. You know, you know, that's how they work. How about this? Oh, boy, the ten turn-offs in a woman in order of level of turn off in this number one Cajun. Right. I mean, you gotta know what you want us world. What did you like smoker of any kind vegetarian? Where's too much? Make it where's perfume from WalMart TJ Maxx at cetera. Never says. Thank you. Oh, see look. You likes polite prudish sexually has visible facial air, even peach fuzz as a child from a previous man won't shop eat do yoga anywhere, unless she has a coupon group on magazine clipping. There you go. All right now, this is from two thousand twelve he may have a athlete checked up. Nncholas rock, Joe Hanson. I don't know. I don't know haven't seen those photos. The livestream in the life. Current very specific list is he contacted you guys come around to his. No, no, no, no, really. You. Don't want hard rock Nick around here. Menu. Both white. Well, because you know, what I realize that. I'm not. Blue ban is is he's already mixing up. Just just qualified from the running for. Got some Jewish Israeli blood in my take a hike you Jew. Fuck a yoke. Does face being eaten out from the back? Come at you, human centipedes. Now, I I'm just qualified because I'm not light. I and I'm also not American born. So I and I'm old as fuck for him to your sides. Ancient ancient for me. I'm just gonna look because I know we're going to be broS immediately. Like, you'll see me and be like similar look using to get your eyebrows dark and he'd eat. And if you have those lashes Lendl ashes and then beard work, both us some some beard were sculpting. Yeah. Get like a detailer how much for you to do. Hard rocker nex beard home. I would love for you to do people. Really? I don't know. But man if it was September right now. Pretty bad ass be. I'm hard rock. Dick. People just think you're making of making fun of any Armenian. I think Armenian too. I'm gonna go Persian or Armenian, nNcholas rock Johannesen. But then last it's bullshit nut. It doesn't matter. I wish I was. I wish I was Bill names rock. Nicholas to. No, no, no. This guy's either. Persian armenian. My mind, you know, they know what they want. Yeah. They had another proud of their wealth. Look at the bright side, three hundred fifty million dollars didn't say how he made it right? Well, I mean, you know, what do you think obviously entrepreneur? Yeah. Poker would definitely fit online poker regular poker vibe. That's that. I was always fascinated with the confident nerds of poker championship. Just the swagger of of a open classes on just also like all the looks like you towards. He were you are you do you like poker? No, I I've never been into it. And what really blew my mind was when it became televise, motherfuckers harshness both. That was that's drive. Me nuts is that you know, Brandon. I used to do close captioning for a living. Dan was what we do for t for our day jobs. Yeah. And we'd have to close caption all those poker tournaments. It's the most infuriating like just listening. You're playing cards. I wouldn't wanna stand around watching you play cards so fucking type out. All the words. They're saying go three nut on the flop in the river this so. Terrible. And everybody's got their own interest. But I go to Vegas. I play the word play like roulette, which is the worst odds. But I can't fuck anything other than playing poker blackjack. I could screw something up. And then I lost because I was thinking about Blackjacks fund Spinney wheel spinning wheels fun blackjack. You can fuck it up for other people. Well, that's fun. Yeah. Well, it's also. But it's also the thing I've seen people be like are you fucking serious? We're gonna hit up like like people get really fired up on those Blackjacks apps at all. I don't think anybody does. I think that's how craps exists is. Nobody knows what they're doing. Let me get also twenty on the high handling get a low hook on the yoyo. I was in Reno where had done a show and didn't do great. And then I was kinda shuffled around the casino. And these kind of grizzled mountain folk were there, you real funny man, play craps with us. It was like all right like lost ten bucks. And like, I don't have any more money. Don't worry man gave me one hundred bucks. Like, hey, man. I want to take your money like don't worry about it, man. We grow up, and they just kept any kept touching the table. And the lady would have the don't touch table. Well, we'll sorry, ma'am. These old pot farmers throat other money just grabbed shit off the table get yelled at that's fun, though. Nobody knew what they were doing. But I've played craps twice with season. Two players an hour with each of the Muslim, folks. It's still luck. Yeah. It's like it's all last time. I played crafts in Vegas. And I went to go see rock of ages by myself because I'll hang out. I don't care rock of ages the musical about the sunset strip eighties rock music when I was that was one of maybe forty people and the entire amphitheater, and I was singing along and clapping and crying at the sentimental. And then the woman next to me who kept kinda spill in my beer. She give me twenty bucks as he walked out. Because I guess I look like my wife just left me or something. So I was getting away getting in a rock of ages by myself that she's like I'm sorry to hear you go. Honey, I'm like, I'm actually a great time. You know? No. You take this twenty bucks. And I blew it on the craps table sweet, though, I guess I looked pretty bad shape. Yeah. Because it looks like a real sad, dude. Now have you had because I know you're real Christina is very sensitive to the idea of food or drinks being expired, and and to the point of like, hey, this is from Monday, and it's Wednesday. She's like, oh, it's from that's exact- trading. Been working off man as from twenty-seven. About right there. Canadian fuck around women are fucking stupid. The clip. Spite expires this week. I. Bars March twentieth. Two thousand fourteen. Dispeat-? I'm sorry. We can't help there's no refunds. Juice is this. He give me give me just reduce. Expired. Plane to them over not replacing. Company. If that's okay. Yeah. Juicing go give you juice. Okay. Call the cops. Misgiving you. This week. Mom. Mom do. I'm not even lying you. Fuck. I'm can't this. She said a fucking come right? Did my mother say fucking cut in front of the first time, she met you fucking. This is not sweet bucking cutting blooming. Yeah. She was. And then this is totally an immigrant thing to like how she's pointing to the Jews. This is not fucking sweet. Pointers. Oh, yeah. This is. Conce to this chick could be related to me, bro. Good. I hate fat pigment. Yeah. This light is not. It's got to be a curse. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody taught her swear wrong way. All right. Cock suckers close. Actually. Not you're not helping your argument here. I mean, she's kind of heavy herself though, the fan foreign. Yeah. She carries it like it's to ten. Yeah. Tooth is really good lose. Slimming delusion. This poor lady. She oh, just crying. Speed enough juice juice sweeter. I need Tropicana that should so. Sweet dude, it's nothing but sugar. She's. Fucking country. You know, she smoking like four packs of taste, but that's what she kicked. Frontal company, that's my favorite one. Company that somebody's like production car person raising you this is actually my mom. This is literally. So it is a little she main lady. Yeah, she's crazy though. Those kind of should should do to not speak. You'll fuck that bitch. And then she'll get mad at people for seating her too closely toilet at restaurants. She get real racist to like fucking bitch set near. God. Oh, yeah. Vietnamese restaurant sushi. Japanese wasn't even let's even the rights. Learn in the ballpark. The ladies just like get you guys on their drinks. He's like, you know, what you fucking. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Angry. I saw my mom freak out once, but it was only on my behalf than like wasn't racist. Or anything bought the wrong like a little kid broS by thought it was buying like a model garage for model cars, but turned out to be like little figures. And I couldn't even see the counter, let's says no returns on it the hobby shop, that's my mom like the guy wouldn't give me my money back. My mom went there. As like my son. Can't even see your no return sign thought. Nothing's broken just took the plastic off the guy wouldn't do it. So my mom just sat there and anybody walking don't touch anything. This guy won't refunds had to call mall security, and my mom's about to get arrested ro I'm doing this for you. Please. Stop stop classmates are here to help. Talked to by mall security because you're harassing customers. Don's toys an hobbies. But she was like she's a righteous lady. I like it is a righteous lips. Give siblings. One sister. Okay. Older younger younger she lives here. She moved down here a little while ago. Year and a half ago. You get to see each other a lot. Yeah. We hang up. We're good. That's cool. Family solid. You know? It's what's. Yeah. I got nothing. You know, what my mom used to do? That was really funny when we would go to the mall like a department store you. He's a company your mom. So you know, she has like all of skin and she has heavy accent? And everybody would always be like where are you from? And so she would always say guests, and then so they would be, you know, lots of Russian and not not once or twice of number of times when I was with her. They would go they would talk she'd say, a, you know, I went to buy the Bubba. And they'd be like are you Chinese and my mom would go. Yes. And they would go say something in Chinese like just like a lady at work in the makeup counter. And my mom ago. She was. And he would go like. And then she would just look at me and say go out, and I'll be like she's looking for makeup. Yeah. And they're like, that's so cool that your mom. You know shit. Favorite story is about that Bagger the grocery Bagger in Vero. Good. You tell. Sweetheart. I used to do this all the time where like things like for stoplight. And somebody's crossing the street who clearly is disabled walking with it. Sure. I would go just to my mom because I knew this would get her. I guess guile drunk ten o'clock in the morning. Shoot. Don't. He has a problem. I was like, yeah. He's drunk and drive off. And then at the grocery store, they have a grocery store near them that will hire like a special needs people. So. Just to mess with her. I would like the bag. Fag it up and then take it to the car. And then like a guy we put it in the car. And that's that was the job as he walked away. I would just look at real sushi of and I think wrong with that guy. What? She was like. Yes. No now. And. You get. No, it's fun. Have a foreign parent toy with she also doesn't know like that. Even now, the r word is not desirable to say, and and I've heard say in front of people like. And I'm like. Could see people's face be like, whoa. This is seventy year old lady. And really thrown that because it's like, it's a, you know, it's still like foreign language to her. I think people have like I understand. We're not supposed to say all that stuff. But the oversensitivity to like older people who are immigrant foreign like English isn't their first language like they don't have the same sense. You. I heard that defensive like like somebody in Europe using the n word like they're not using it racist. They're using they grew up listening to hip hop. And that was like punctuated throughout that. So they don't have the historical context that you have here in this country that just because it doesn't make it right? But the winning. I agree with that. I feel like that generates like people like we grew up saying words that we I'm like, I can't believe like how often you just say faggot or something like, yeah. I would not do that. I know now, and it's not like PC culture. No. I know that word shitty. That was it. And I think like, my parents, our parents generation was that with some other words, and then when they learned that you can't say that anymore. It became this like kind of forbidden thing, totally. Like if Brazil nuts showed up in my house, they showed up because somebody needed a fix. So. We used to call these. Yes. Yes. You'd say it every time Brazil nuts. Learn the house. I never got by the way, while my mom would say. Not going to believe what we used to call them. Like, I will believe it. 'cause you say that every time the Brazil. Yeah, you're scratching niche right now. Not because though, it's nothing ill will just the physical. Compulsion of making the word that you can't anymore. Yeah. Because because the taboo feels like a day or two, you know, like the the further case for the. Like, the English as a second language person. Is that some of those words just don't have that same impact their minds? You know that it has on ours. Was never there. Never there. And it sounds like if I told you, you know, whatever you do don't say both when you're around these people, you're going to be like, okay. Like, you know, but you're like it doesn't hurt might say. But also like don't say like, yeah, that's fine. We might go about elephants. She hasn't used to come over and drop everything like everything don't ever say. These six words, they'd be like, I say, it's right. And they'll say it. It's like the fag thing which was so like, you know, throwing that around in middle school a lot too. They came for thanksgiving. And I meet them at a haven't seen some of them in ten years, and as I walk into a restaurant, but these are thirty five thirty six year old Bendigo Feige like that was. Not even. Where are they from Peru, Peru? Okay. Yeah. I mean, they have like heavy act English. And yeah, we're just like I remember the words we're not supposed to say this one. I also like the generation I think it's just foreign parents like what you can do with humor. It's like, my mom like like when you're when you find out your kids are actually funny in their own, right? Like, I think my mom would encourage a little bit like me, and my sister, the student driver cars would come by our house. And so we would always crash our bikes right behind like Duke, some solid over the bars. Pratfall? So they were just like a student driver with see in the rear view mirror bike fly up, and then a kid just laying there and like I'd run up too much sister. Like, are you okay? My mom would be in the house laughing. And she'd be like guys shouldn't do that. It's real funny reprimand us, but not hard enough to be like if it comes around again, I got to watch pretty funny. Well, that's a struggle. We have with a with our three year old is that now he's starting to say shit, and some of the super he's learning to bourbon fart, and that's like you made that. Yeah. And we also tell them to discourage it either one of them so far tooth up. And then we're like you're going to raise just cave p savage this this you've years of documentation. Now trying to raise a kid and they're gonna have a sample board. Like that everything you've said like all really Burr. Were you guys? Farting into microphones. I can't do what? Well. You've got no cards any more. He learns that if the doorbell rings fuck. So true. World of hurt. Because I that was my natural the doorbell ring. Just because like I was comfortable. So you heard and I was like fuck as I did it. He was like. Doc like just looks right here. We go. Somebody's gonna do favorite word. I don't discourage nose picking either. I can't. I mean, I still. Yeah. What's the big deal? Do you feel like get Solomon Terry elementary? What for picking? Yeah. Get in there. Yeah. It's a big deal that was a bad thing. When I grow friend when we live separately. And I'd be her house, and she was like moving stuff around just a federal booger. Grape. You don't know. How many you're putting down there to what somebody moves the? I used to pick my nose and wipe them on the back of couch when I was like in high school and one time they there was some repair that needed to be done on that couch. I never thought of the guy comes to service. It moves the couch and there's just dry. Watch my one friend free another for like, I friend who like at his own place like at a townhouse for over there. My buddy, Bob, go at it. Finally, Fred Jesse obviously, stop picking your fucking nose, basic. What do you could you don't just pick? You pick knows. Then you wipe that shit on my stuff you put net booger in my couch. Sick and find your buggers fuck outs. And we're all so high like opiate yourself, man. The funniest to see like like, we're on the level. Yeah. Fucking party dudes and somebody finally freaked out about having a butchery couch. Look who's grown up. All right. Don't want us. Friends Boogers all over stuff coming of age story, and he fought in your fridge and close real quick hope food tasteless. Well, I think it's gross to have the designated booger area like Tom roles, and he in my car, he'll pick his nose, and then he'll roll and just throw them on the floor, which I'm almost fine with that. But I think designating the area subconsciously him just like on an airplane, just go. And then you don't realize I saw. It's the deepest just absolute most impressive deep dig ever seen in public. Was Christopher Lloyd on a plane. Yeah. I sat next me. And he did a full cleaning emailing each nostril second knuckle. Oh, yeah. Did a full swirl. And I was like he didn't give a fuck. It was like it was partially. Like, I I wanted to think he was like, do, you know, the fuck I am I wish it was. And it was partially. I think age to he's like I'm not getting up to bathroom cream hordes of defense mechanism like here. You critic. Leave them alone. Yeah. Pretty defense mechanism. He he definitely he went in there, gene. Good for him. Yeah. I we can't tell our kid not to kids. It's minor liquid develop a rewarding feeling from it though. It's so gratifying you ever scratch your car keys. Almost almost if I had to pick between that orgasms. I would probably probably go. Key. You're not afraid of bacteria being introduced into the air canal. The gore putting our fingers in our mouths that would be stab ready everywhere in the show have you ever pose? You're getting back to you. I don't even go have you ever pulled a long hair out of your butthole, a long hair? Have you ever? Yeah. Never. Now have right. It's so special that one's very special. It happens rarely body. I don't know how either put out or it gets. You must be in your what is it here that falls and every once in a while it it's like in your underwear? See somebody just made a joke about having a long hair that they're pulling out of member wiping, my ass time and be like how did this fucking three-foot hair up in here? It's definitely from just hair collecting. Yeah. Cutting around. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's like now, it's like an zeitgeist just this. On this. This before it starts way. Okay. See where this is going. They got. So awesome. That was the best thing I've ever seen say that again. I mean for the listeners. It's somebody had just the chocolate fountain idea. I right like, we're not gonna put the Dahl show the repercussions. At least three people put those ideas together for the listeners who don't have who are nursing pain in the background. Yeah. This is a party man to chocolate photon. I didn't realize that. There's people watch. Oh, yeah. This is like a New Year's Eve at the people over there. There's people there. I did not score a child's party there like gains on this could be a birthday party. I didn't even realize that. Whoa. That's. Is it only slow motion. Could I? Be made into a gif. Please have this guy. This is great. For people listening. There's a guy farting into a chocolate fountain. And the chocolate is sprayed over a baby doll face. Good. Ask one last time is done with the chocolate fountain. Going to be doing thing. But you're not gonna wanna use. Everybody got in there. One more time. One more time, please. All right here we go making. Man, that's a monster fart the air on that. That was real a real fart at. Now. You understand why we make the big bucks? Now you understand Kyle. We own a home because. You own property. But you wouldn't believe we've been fired from corporate sponsors McDonald's. And Morton steakhouse morten's gave you the boot. Martin's gave Bill McDonald's ready something like that. Did you legit those were real spun? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, what happened with Donald's? I don't know if you can get Terry McDonald's and somebody at first at McDonald's like we should sponsor this without ever watching a single. Yeah. But what happened was the first episode that they sponsored had a. Basically kind of a groundbreaking like an immediately immediate classic clip. We thought and that was the clip that they were like we are not into your show. And you know, the person that got the sponsorship got fired two from the air force. Yeah. You want to get to the kids as you get to the kids. This was the clip. Okay. Well, let's see. Guys. It's Pete again in here to do video. I wanted to use this. But thank greenie toy that I bought this new one. And I thought it tried to in in also wanted to turn this double ended. Fuck sleep. He's like massive bullets used it, of course. And then I went to look at the didn't send any batteries so bad that. I'm not going to be able to use the vibrating arc arc in it. Right now. Yeah. That's gonna get me off. Filton to bikes. Horsman lives with somebody. Wow. A friend of mine had one stroke. To do. So I really wanna try this because I like fucking stuff. I get this in turn it out at this. Cool little this. Cool. Cool. Cool. Nice. Cooled your indigenous art in the background. Shame or you bring those right here. So McDonald's site. They were citing his hand movement, which I was like, I think his leg itches, and they're like, no it doesn't conflict. Mcdonald's went through this framers frail. They it's this moment that got us SMP Jew with what the hell I off. He swears a couple times also is jamming in his asshole. Offramp. It's a little. Head. Frame which Scana CAC ring. Like, a real Chicago. Johny Milwaukee here trying to but plugs as cackling ramps round and goes up your ass feels pretty good. Union made in the USA. So that's going to be proud of. Yeah. This guy sounded. The I contact the act. Look it off. It's my last, but toy video. Spill. Play your new the slow. Don't go to fast hurt. Try it again interests me. Once you get used to it. Yeah. Relax yourself, but play can be a lot of fun. The carpeting. Boy, pretty comfortable there. Does it? I don't feel it may that is a tan line. Yeah. It's good. This is what killed us. Turn it on two million dollars clam right here. Turning on it cycles through steps. So. Just a constant. Yeah. Well, let's see the higher. Throbbing? Yeah. But then our? Go ahead and jump. Got it. I got it. Thanks. This is what ended here. No second that. Yeah. Oh. Ooh. There you go. Then McDonald's was like, no. Tim two point three million dollars. Only. Only with that was that that was two point eight point three million dollars. We lost. Well, yeah. Oh, I'm fixing. And I'm union at work. Okay. All right. Was it worth it? No, no. But you know, what the show has integrity and. We keep it real on this show. We honor the listeners two point three points. For that cramming thing. Fucking idiot. Now, what do you think, bro? Morton straw. Clip enough now. Morton's was just like a, you know, they gave us some money. And then they they keep dollars. No. But that was for the paint job. But then they they were doing other stuff. And then they just said we're not fitting the brand of how did how do they get past the first step? I don't know complete ignorance. Yeah. I think so love some of that ignorance to throw some money my way. Yeah. Did you get any of the McDonald's money all we had to give it back? I know Thomas purchase. What you get. Did you get order Lamborghini? Stupid. The so dumb, you ordered a Lamborghini, but I had to cancel the order with McDonald's money, but you lost it because of the clip of the guys fuck sock hurting him. Yeah. It wasn't even came to fast. It wasn't was that. What it was? I thought he was getting hurt. All now. He came. Oh, thought it was hurting us, dick. No, he had an orgasm Faulk in the neat yet. I thought he was clearly being electrocuted mild. I wish now that would have been different if you hate if you wanted to hear it slow motion here. Any of this real? Why is your life? What are your lives? There's. Yeah. Did you tell them at the Lamborghini dealership? Why you had to cancel the order. I didn't get into the actual detail. I feel there's ever a time to get into the details. Because I was like I told her I was like I should get like some crazy exotic car just for fun. And then no for practical. Yes. And this is before the McDonald's. She was like that's stupid. And then when the McDonald's money came through just felt like it was gravy. So then I was like now, it's fine. Right. I guess so then I ordered it. I'm gonna get some jewellery. Right. We're going to that. I don't know, Tom. I think we should press. Pause on the the jewelry. He wants to get chains. Like gold chains for his fortieth birthday. I we I know. Both. I know, but you're doing it, right? God. Chain to broken after you. But that guy fuck away your Lamborghini money. Oh. Let's see my name with disdain. What do you like what what what what would be? Let's fuck you money. Yeah. I don't even I got seven remote control cars. That's what I do. Like right now. Mcdonald's calls you up and they go. Hey, we heard you on thanks for speaking some sense, three million whatever you do like. Keep stuff out of the books. Right. Two point three million dollars. Well, we didn't even get that warning. Yeah. They told you maybe in for that. Mcdonald's wouldn't go forward. Abet mcdonagh with their offer was before two point three two hundred fifty thousand. I don't know. That's how stupid this is. Crazy. I was like no I don't wanna do. It mcdonald. We need more. All right here. Watch this. For like a month. Yeah. Mcdonald's is listening. Now, just if you got any of that two point three million. Take like. I don't have. I don't know what I'd wanna do. I don't know. I, but I can't even think of it like are you at that point the grow up money. No. Yeah. Little bit little bit. But to like like, oh just. I can't even put myself in that head space like I'm fine now, but it just sitting in the Bank like this isn't a real thing would I do. So the money doesn't feel feels like it's like like a mob thing. Like, you robbed a Bank, like don't spend it people know. Yeah. But you don't enjoy it. You know, I I'm not trying to be home. There's nothing. I know. I feel the same. There's nothing I have like even the stuff. I do have. That's like I suck ATar, but I bought some guitars that are nice looking at fun, then that's a cool guitar. And then I play it and like put it down. You're not don't embarrass yourself. Yeah. I got some good mountain bikes. I got a big Jeep with monster truck tires dumping. But I do with it. I go banging up in a desert and everything. That's cool. So yeah, I wanna to know when you get something like that. Like, how do you know where to go? There's like there's a wage V spots like off road off highway vehicle spots out in like Gorman's one. But I'll go to. Anza beret, go down south. I've been to Utah with it have been Denver with put some miles on it. Just just being out out in the world sitting out in a campaign and shit in the shitting in the ground. Yeah. The ground without any legal ramifications. That is good. But I don't I don't buy. I didn't buy house or anything like I could buy a house. But on my part of me likes it. I could do comedy without knowing there's nothing they can take away from me if I stopped doing comedy like, I don't know the Bank anything, I will no money. So if I'm like, I don't wanna do anything for year. I can do that. Yeah. Worrying about so maybe that's what I bought that freedom. Yeah. That's huge. Right. I'm gonna take a year off sit on the couch. Binge watched the Americans that's doing it. That's good though. Because when I mean, that's. Office fun. No, I'll take a month off here and there drive around and fuck off. That's the ladies work schedule. Call december. We were traveling everything great guy. You would have be well that was a couple that was two years ago. Doing my show. And then you announced your shown guidebook and my show is well. Don't worry about it. Tom show is gonna be real good too. But a couple of people we'll get a couple of people. Please fun. What? Okay. I wanna go back to the Lamborghini. Yeah. Some Barras how it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed. What is your car? I don't give a fuck about cars. No. What is your car right now? Jeep okay. Yeah. Jeep Jeep Wrangler. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee what the Porsche. Yep. Yep. But do you have another car to? Yep. What's your car beamer? Yep. And I got another car too. What's the other car? It's for the family. Jay Leno here. For the Escalade. I got another one you got four five. Yeah. Oh, I don't feel bad about this Lamborghini things fall through. I hope you have no money for your children's. So you make a worry. Say that. No, we're going to get that new steakhouse sponsor. And by the way, I put twenty bucks and the kids college fund. Listen, we got norms coming through free meals for us in the kids whenever we need them trying to ship we got, and I will say Morton's, we didn't get free food. Mcdonald's gave us free Martins. They only gave us employee discount. So that was drink keeping your dream. Mariam anyway. Yeah. So yeah, I still eat their pay full price. What do you think I should ask for money wise from the next month my head don't talk to be about this shit? Just want to get your. Show them that clip. I. And then work on a realistic amount. Like, you realize your money's going to be behind this? Right. And that way, they're not pulling it out from under you. Yeah. Like all right here show mine show your car thinking. Yeah. Show your cards to this such a good idea to talk about this Chanel. It'd be like, hey what I'll do is. I'll give the agents will be like, hey, open the open dialogue with this Clinton. So here. Your mom's house when he was on it. Funding. Meanwhile, I'm over here doing fifty dollar, Adam and eve spots for my podcast. What is your pocket everything that guy put put on his dick just plugging discount codes for that? We feel like we're come that fast. Enter code boogie monster over at Adam and eve doing free spots. Now, tell me tell me the podcast called the boogie monster. Yeah. Yeah. And it's you and Dave guys if you think this podcast is stupid. You should check out the boogie monster with calculating, Dave stone. Here you go. You guys are doing it awhile. Yeah. Couple years. It's just it's just us goofing off plug Bates and everything it's perfect that we screw off the multimedia functions. But we can we can react to watching shit videos on our phone. Nobody else knows what's going on. Right. Which isn't for good listening? But like think about how great that chocolate found fart was seeing like the appeal of a multimedia. Yeah. Yeah. That was the best moment in my life. Hot core fun. That was really hard core fun. It was it was great. The wasn't even open yet. No. I mean, if there was a reason to celebrate how disgusting is chocolate fountain. Let's think about it from hygienic perspective like you're dipping in your food fingers are in it. And then the chocolate just gets recycled right found it's nasty already found ready that that's what the guy with his assets. This thing's nasty already. More. Why on the child's face y'all eating out of this gross? Walk. Man. That is awesome. We gotta do that for our kids. That's a. It is can I hire this guy for that's a child's toy? That's in that. That's not like that's from a kid at the party here. Let me let me see your dollar real. See how why because I'm a fart on? Eat that. You're already sticky. If you look at the baby's expression to it kind of really. Yeah. Can't count. You say you could try me fatso with your Chicago accent? What am I saying say, you could try me fatso, you could try me fatso? Yeah. Unrelentingly offer something to the board. Now. Goodfellas? Sinoe casino yet casino around here tomorrow. We'll be here tomorrow. That's fucking try meet fat. So and then he pulls his pants up. Whereas beaten up, Don Rickles. No, it's a it's when he goes over to SAM's house, deniro, bam. Oh. That's right. That's right. It's like I'm gonna come there. Tomorrow. I'm going to get my fucking money. Talk to me, like never mind Sam. Go to jail because I'm fucking trying. Stupid. Yeah. So funny. She up to see all right. He's in that movie. He's in that new movie they're doing doing another movie about Jimmy Hoffa. He's got a partner. Of course, Scorsese Mr. Kinane. It was so fun. Having you tell me where can people see do you have any dates lined up anything coming up, Royal Oak, Michigan at the end of the month. I think. I'm not good with the pro. What's? It's my name Kyle. That's a good one. Right. Kinane dot com. Yeah. I got all the dates up. There do podcast stuff. K? I N A N. An sure yeah. Put it in graphic because graphics. Yeah. You do you. Do the Twitter Twitter's graphic up just doing this? Yeah. Graphic throws phone number up. I'll give it to you. Social security. No, thanks for coming. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. We play out with the chocolate part one more time. I didn't know where to look the first time. I would look at the fountain or the, but I wanna get the baby this time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm looking at the baby. Stew. That was a mistake to look at the baby's face. That did I'd stare a child. Being desecrated powerful that fart is that bottom layer of the fountain. His still has a hole in it. Look at that look at the power. That's two layers of chocolate fountain. He you're right. That's not your average far. Like, he never seen like good Florida exception to the baby powder thing with the farts seeing how fun would impact. Yeah. So this is my first reference for some. I mean, look at what he's doing right now. I mean, that's good work. That's a multilayer fart top and bottom. I like seeing the the heat sensor farts someone read I would love to see like. One that like I would do that. And for myself. I would wanna know. Yeah. Are so bad day. I thought I hit something. Smell like ran over a possum or something. It was bad. It just stayed in the car. I roll down my own windows. Got worse getting worse. I feel like my lingering more these days older, you get your growing into being a dad. Yeah. Farts are worse and your body's already. Your poison dying inside bell a death. This. It is do check out this ROY. I got in the back. Right back here. Remember when I burp the other day, and you're like it was Corrine food. That was the most disgusting thing ever, we had Korean ribs and county barbecue that's my phone. And then she was like her burp. And then she was like, so am I going I was like holy shit. It actually smell like she farted out of her mouth didn't smell like if I if I barbecue burp, but it's like, this is just dead things. Yeah. It was like the smells like a cemetery terrible and the garlic, and they can't. Over the top. Yeah. Check out my McClair, and we're gonna roll. Thank you very much. Don't say save. Same. Dome saying. Mom, mom. Save. That same French same like. Mayor. Home saying? And save. Bobber? Like. Saying. Like this. To understand.

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Episode 141: Toward a Secular Recovery

AA Beyond Belief

1:13:59 hr | 10 months ago

Episode 141: Toward a Secular Recovery

"AM beyond belief is a podcast by for and about people who have found a secular path to sobriety and alcoholics anonymous John H has been sober since January of nineteen eighteen eighty seven and his founding member of the We agnostics group in Washington. DC A group which has been meeting since nineteen eighty eight. The entirety of John's experience in alcoholics anonymous has been primarily with his secular AAC group though in his early days. He did attend meetings at a so-called traditional group but it was much more liberal intolerance than many of the AA meetings one might encounter today reflecting back on his recovery. John has concluded needed. There were five key elements to his sobriety making a decision attending meetings sharing absence. And helping others in this episode. I'll have a discussion with John About these thoughts and hopefully come out of the experience a little wiser or at least no worse for wear. John How are you. I'm doing fine today. Are You my friend. I'm doing fantastic and I've been looking forward to talking to you. I've read your the articles a number of times and I've been giving this stuff some thought lately and also the talk that we posted on a Wednesday. I'm gave me a a lot to think about so it all works out. Well you know I. I hope that I framed that right. And in the introduction that year well I went to conventional meetings meetings longer than anticipated. You know it was a noon meeting. I think I was discussing with you earlier at a very liberal. Oh African American church in DC very famous place Amy Church in Northwest Washington actually was Frederick Douglass Church very historic replace and That meeting was extremely liberal. And I think some people from some other parts of the country might even thought they. We're at a secular meeting if they went there but the meeting itself was framed by the twelfth steps in it was. They did have a big book meeting once a week which I didn't contend steps meeting once a week which I didn't attend and I have a lot of old friends of that. I admit breath very early on in in my sobriety and I mainly viewed as a good noon break from my labours here. Hear these days in my Home Office in the old days from my office downtown and it was to me. It was more of a social our in the end. I had to totally break from alcoholics anonymous. The conventional part about synonymous Because I without I was being a hypocrite and I mentioned that before and then in other places I won't go into it in detail but you just going to a social hour wasn't enough for me and of course all this time. I've had my secular meeting on Sundays which I was just at today and I came to the conclusion that a in any form. Even it's most liberal form no longer fit in when I started getting involved in what we now call secular a at our first convention mentioned in two thousand fourteen which you of course attended In Santa Monica my determinations about conventional a got stronger and stronger and stronger until I finally had to admit that I was inconsistent and hypocritical by having anything to do with them whatsoever and I no longer do so all I have to do with is a secular a and its off shoots and what I would hope with evolve to what we might call secular recovery. Which of course we talked about last time we chatted on a podcast so so little long that maybe is a better way of framing? where I'm at right? Now Yeah and I found it interesting that you felt alienated. NATO from a a traditional a fairly early on you wrote that you were attending meetings are initially on the weekdays at a group. That wasn't reading how it works that wasn't particularly dogmatic. But then you started going to meetings on weekends and you were attending meetings at this group that read how it works and then and I think you wrote that you just felt alienated and that is about the time that you started attending the agnostics group in DC is. That is that right. Well that's when with about when it was formed that summer before and again I'm being redundant because I've said this elsewhere that summer before I came very close at the last time I came really close to taking Greek which was the summer before the of the formation of the meaning of September of eighty eight sometime that summer. I got real close to drinking because I was in such despair over. What I had finally realized was the point of a a as I saw which was developing some sort of God consciousness and as I mentioned to you off fine I basically would the grabby dead than before to be part of something that required or even implied that I had developed such consciousness? Because I've never had at-bat consciousness and I'm not going to go and be that much of a hypocrite and untrue to myself in terms terms of my even my own survival. I value my own tag really personal integrity more. So there's not many places says a in the United States or Canada or really in the world where there has been a secular meeting going on since you know one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. I mean you're talking in. DC NEW YORK. I think in some places in Florida ship Chicago was the the back to the mid seventies our founder of our DC meeting gene was first exposed. I think there's a meeting that still might be around the University of Chicago somewhere. I believe that's when Tom went to. And that was the mid to late. Nineteen seventy s and then of course Charlie Culture Allah chair the late Charlie. He started the meeting unless Hollywood. I thank eighty one eighty two and in you know in unison or in parallel with that some of the older meetings that are different victory. I was going to back in those days but still there was only in those early days. It was only a handful. Actually I found one in New Orleans back at nineteen eighty nine thousand nine hundred ninety strangely enough and I really liked the find out if the people going to their any of the people that are going to array now down there were interested or were involved in that meeting in the late eighties that I recall going to in the garden district in in the basement of a church. It was kind of a while meeting. I remember that night so they were little bits and pockets here and there but nothing like what we have today. Of course no way of communicating with each only knew the other guy unless you showed up there right so you know it's understandable to me that Because I've had the I've had the experience of going to Aa but to a traditional meeting for twenty five years. Before I helped start. We agnostics group in Kansas City. And I'm I had that experience of alienation and then I've I've gone through a period of change in and my thinking that is still still ongoing. But you you know you had already really fully evolved over a period of decades at the agnostics Asas group in DC. So now you're meeting all these people from All over who are just now. You know walking out of their traditional Blake group into a secular meeting. But they're bringing with them their how they're deciding to interpret what they learned in a and ah a lot of that I find very sad. Yeah you just kind of discarded that language you look at the history of what was really going on and these are steps that were adapted from the Oxford group which was a Christian fundamentalist movement in the nineteen thirties and it the entire purpose of that group was to bring people to God and even when you read the literature of Alcoholics Anonymous Adam and the big book it that it says that's the purpose basically so so you know it started with Christian witness and you know that's in in the most extreme form in Akron even when a started you had do a Christian witness on your knees Doctor Bob's kitchen before we let you go to the meeting. Yeah so you kind of look back gas at your experience and you described it as as one would in your own words of what actually was taking place. And that's why he came up with these five key elements you know making a decision attending meetings sharing absence and helping others and at and I didn't excuse me for interrupting my didn't come up with I was SORTA SORTA I was doing these elements but I didn't really come up with them and sit down and not codified but describing the way that I the articles. I didn't sit down and actually described those until very recently. And what got me to do. That was all all of this stuff. I see about reinterpreting Wilson Snus Holy of holies twelve steps which of course is is what back talk was about in Toronto. I don't need to go into that. Anybody can scroll over there and listen to that stuff they want to but you know when I saw this this conification going on is what is this. Why do we need to adapt something that to me? You know Just Justin adaptation of Christian holy writ into so-called secular language than what I saw going on with really sort of you know if I had had some of the elements of that but was really something else which is where the sort of five elements I come from right and you begin with making a decision. Oh yeah well. That's the most interesting part of the thing because is spent years knowing that I was an alcoholic At least twelve or thirteen years in my young days is knowing that I was alcoholic. But it wasn't until I was thirty eight years old and seventy one now wasn't until I was thirty years years old that I actually made what I now know to be of a real decisions about. What was occurring in my I own life and that really astonishes me because I had a lot of knowledge about what was occurring in my own life and I sort of openly unle acknowledged to myself and even some others of course not professionally or anything like that but I did openly acknowledged to family members and friends? Yeah that yeah. I'm an alcoholic. I knew that I acknowledged that I didn't try to high that in particular except of course in that professional it's exit. We know we have to be careful so it wasn't knowing or even say it was really understanding at indepth in making a decision about my drinking and once I made that final decision which for me had to be a life and death decision. I was such a hard head and you know I I. I had a lot of fun drinking until my last twelve eighteen months when the level of misery got to the point. Where Damn near kill me? But I'm not one of these people that was miserable from the I drinking. You know sitting in a corner somewhere unhappy all the time I thought at least I thought I was having held a good time in my own Bohemian universe. Downtown North West Washington Before the place got hideously expensive you could actually live sort of a Bohemian Indian. Low cost life. There is no longer possible of course but those days in the seventies eighties early eighties. It was the You know it really had to be the last gas for me but once I made that decision it was it. It was such a relief to find a like minded group of people who told me the same thing you make late this decision in. Here's what happens and being in this liberal in nineteen eighty seven. When I walked in the door this there was no? Oh second meeting here that wasn't until eighteen months later I was just presented with. What was there but I was fortunate that there were people that knew me? I know a lot of people in these people that knew me I have some people around me the told me. Well it's great. We're glad to see you here. Oh you have to do is not drink and go to these meetings. And they didn't have much else to say to me at that point direct. It was I I had to find out all this other stuff about what a was really about sort of on my own because a nice people that we're dealing with me knew that if they tried so me that stuff face to face that I was just going to walk away and this is a challenge for us because we don't have any got the hang of this decision on now. Do we know and you talk to you. wrote you know that Bill. Bill Wilson us us thought that his decision that he made came from a white Bush white light experience. God experience whatever. It was a Bella. Valid Donna Donna and toxic h right but in fact what was really going on is as you put it and I think this is this is true for anyone coming to grips with addiction is just recognizing a need for self preservation that that these patterns that we've been engaged in worse were destructive. Were killing us but there is a mystery as to why some some people will get there and some people won't isn't it. Oh it's not that I don't believe in any form of Hocus pocus in this world I believe in the observable universe the scientific method my favorite Englishman of all time even greater than and Shakespeare is. Charles Darwin I really at depth believe in that view of the world and end. You know we're not gonNA talk about dialectical materialism there are you know. There are philosophical systems. Go directly to that but but this one. I've sat in meetings all these years and absolutely the people who make it long term are people who have a a decision about their drinking and they know that they have to reinforce that decision over and over and over. I was sitting next to a young man in the meeting. Today's at about six eight months and he mentioned this thing about having finally made a decision about his drinking's young man in his early thirties. I guess and I said well. It's great that you made a decision. The only secret that I have about this as you gotta make the decision over and over and over again and that you know making the decision is great today but if you don't reiterate or somehow reinforced that decision tomorrow. That's very problematic. So that's the only part of for this thing I mean I'm not saying that I figured everything out because of course I haven't figured it all out. We got scientists and others coming to address this year and next year at our convention talking about you know the science of all this but As far as my own practical non-professional experience this this is the only part that I really don't have hand loft in terms of imparting that knowledge if somehow we can impart a knowledge to the secular person that the starting point for us is a decision point. Nada haven't gone point not a revelation point not a conversion not this bullshit about personality change or any other third crap because all were about Out His vacation actually in my opinion. But how can we do that. That's our real challenge to transmit the essence essence of our recovery without the formulations involved in the Oxford Group. Twelve steps. Because you ask ask one of these people from a conventional meeting to explain their recovery. They'll just pull out that list and start going through it and you think you think. That's pretty important Horton. Don't you to be able to transmit our message and our own way without without the baggage of the nineteen thirties. Yeah right I mean if you can convince someone that you're need to make a decision about your Drinking was was of paramount. Importance to your survival right without making any judgments about their survival I mean we. The explicitly implies that secular equal that their survival is something. That's up to them but if we could maybe suggest a tool that we used. which is this possibly this making a decision business? Then you know you can give up despair. I mean if you can give up despair despair about your condition and know. Oh that I made a decision today and I can make a decision tomorrow. This self reinforcing death cycle of continual slipping in and out of any program you might be associated with Can Be arrested arrested and there are people in the room that can tell you that in fact in truth it was arrested now. This is exactly in some ways. It's is kind of ironic because it sort of like what the religious ones do by saying or I did this and I got that quid WPRO quote was that a phrase that we heard before that you know something for something you know you know. Make a decision and get something I think et sort of in the air these days I think most people actually know what that phrase means now. So you know it's like it's like that I did something once once. You've made that decision. That leads you to your next your next part of this which is reinforcing it through the attendance of me at meetings and that might actually be the answer for some of those people who might still be on the fence. They go to meetings. Well you know I mean if I'm just sitting in when I was the hallmark of the last months of my drinking I was always a social bar drinker type loud imagine you need being loud and somewhat aggressive than obnoxious and stuff like that. You might see that somewhere in the but yeah. I went from math in a sitting having having my fun in my endless debate sitting on my barstool to sitting in my pretty nice place I was living in staring down at a one point. Seven five liter Levada. which is I hated? And when I was coming out of blackouts coutts looking at my feet and seeing an almost green bottle of that. Swill at my feet. I knew I was listen. Some deep deep trouble. And that's what came from just sitting alone and not doing anything about the problem I found when I started started going to meetings and I met like minded people and I saw positive life stories evolving from those host individuals having made their decision and listening to the stories of how their decision led to this. That and the other thing down the road if they didn't have before that was just extremely important and that of course it's very similar to what every alcoholic everywhere that goes to any meeting no matter what you call it but unlike the conventional meetings and certainly when are when are secular meeting started up here in eighty eight what we get at least what I get from. A secular meeting is the efficacy of those stories. Without any of the veneer. Any of Hocus pocus any of the PABLUM bullshit involved in ascribing your state in life to something that I know does not exist. We get our reinforcement from the actual narrative any actual stories Any actual experience without some sort of fantasy overlay and to me reality is always more effective effective than fantasy. Absolutely I liked it. Yeah I'd like to think in my wild magic things that navy when we finally figure out what our since we're getting to be over five hundred meetings now a lot more people were involve wherever involved in the past. I wish that in some smart person that knows is about Could somehow figure out one day with art success rate in the meetings that we have pretended and promote our compared to other methods in modality sort of of getting sober. I like to think that maybe realities better another annecy and for our core population focusing on that reality in the meetings in the development of people's lives that way would would be more efficacious overall than in the fear and the pain in Gill and other stuff. I see creeping through all this conventional verbiage that I even see being transmitted sometimes on are closed. Facebook ages elsewhere. You're in secular recovery. Yeah I see that pain and it just whenever I see that pain I just it. Just actually my next if I can get around to. I've gotta go overseas next month and do some work but once I get back but when I when I get a hopefully when I get around to I wanNA write something about the unnecessary unnecessary nature of all this pain. I'm seeing out there. Still that really upsets me when I see people going through that it's very not real You know because I I went through that as you know Twenty five years at a group and then Coming out as an atheist and not being welcomed anymore that that group Having people correct me constantly and feeling that you know I'm going to have to leave a and then for me what happened. It was just a very very gradual letting go of the old language but it's a very. It was very gradual thing at first and now. It's kind of snowballing. But but that's what people I think are going through. They leave. They find they find out about this secular movement within alcoholics anonymous. And it takes them time. I think to let go of the old language I'm still. I've pretty much rejected terms like higher power character defects affects. You know that. Sort of thing Why can't we reject? Excuse me for. Why can't we just get over these initials a I think a lot of good could come if we just got over the initials a in any mention of the big book or the twelve steps At all I think we all be a lot better off. I'm trying not to mention those initials whenever I possibly can. Well you know it might have probably because let's all right but my happen simply because Aa just might not last if it doesn't change. I just don't see it working. I just I told you about. The median has at last night and I just made some some very general criticisms of the big book. Just suggesting that you know it's it's Kinda dated and That those comments were not met. Well people want to cling to that and. I don't know how how that's ever going to change I. I don't now if it doesn't change. I don't see much of a future you can't you can't you. Can't move into a new century with a book from the beginning of the last century. I don't think well you know I'm not going to be there pro. I don't I don't think I could stand that Detroit thing this year I've I been thinking about going just to see. What are people get up to? What are you can I go i? It's just too much to do to to in one year. But you should could spray at it you you want. You WanNa see what it's like. Just go there and see what it's A. It's a good experience to see what it's like. I went to my first one. They are nineteen ninety and then another one at a couple others in the nineties and was supposed to go to the last just one in Atlanta Il unfortunately couldn't go but there's tens of thousands of those people aren't given out. I can take you go back to basics meeting. I wrote about the years back in at NAS car. Was I wrote an article about back. The basics I went to the local back the basics needed gear in Bethesda Maryland one of the highest income areas in most educated areas of the United States. It was filled with people in their expensive shoes. Looking at that you know looking back to basics tom and residing lally piece crap word for work and that was here. I mean that may do. Those Evangelical Christian movements are everywhere. And you know. I don't think that part of that. Whatever they're going to call it? I don't think those people are going anywhere. There are mutually reinforcing fundamentalist Christian Luke and they will be around around for a long long time. So I'm not waiting for anything to change. I'm not waiting for them to change. I don't care whether they change or not. I couldn't couldn't care less what they did. I what I'm worried about is what we do a secular people in a secular way where we've come come up with some ideas that we believe will work. We wouldn't be going to these secular recovery meetings unless we thought they worked better for us. We should should focus more on why they were better for us and what we do to improve the process for others and you kind of do that when you wrote about out the the meetings they attend meetings aspect of this because you wrote what it did for you and it was the same thing it did for me and I think it's pretty much everybody you get this calming effect from the meeting. Yes yes you went. You've gone to a place where your your condition is not only understood but a solution for that condition which will talk about in a minute which riches accidents is what is being propounded. So if you know that you can obtain in your life as proof and you're not in the Valley of doom twenty four seven then you're you know of course. I very seldom so who meeting where I was anger angrier. Walking out than I was walking. Hit been a few times where that has happened but and certainly never in my secular meeting that occurred now. Fortunately for me has happened later in sobriety during those initial. When I really needed the meanings I guess it was a bother me so much but I mean these days if I ever encounter that stuff I just all my eyes and so what is this shit and just sort of you know this? It's left off but yeah it is more serious for others. Which is why I see all this suffering on the closed facebook groups but yeah it's a Commun- effect? It's it's really a replacement for drinking. It's what I needed. I mean I had no peace of mind at all I mean I was. I was scared to death. Of what the what I was going to have to deal with as a result of my drinking I was looking at some jail time. You know I I was I was. I was not happy right. But let's let me take one second about this thing about meetings and I don't know I I don't I touched down at in the article. Maybe did sort parenthetically touch on that summer and the Ark but meetings are not another addiction should not identifying meetings to be a substitute one addiction for another. I get the impression if you go to these a clubs around the country. I used to travel around the United States all the time constantly on airplanes everywhere every nook and cranny of this country and I would go to these conventional meetings in many years ago years past and I see people hanging around these a clubs. Look looking live there okay. They look like that that was their entire existence was somehow revolving around these fucking needs and IT I. I wouldn't suggest that people do this because I never suggest if people go to meetings of my own experiences went for the better part of five years I was is living in Moscow where my wife and I bet and a lot of things happened there in for lottery reasons. I won't go in so I could not go go to the one or two english-speaking meetings were there it just wasn't possible to do that and I I found that the things that I learned in the people that I met were portable and I carry them with me and I've been in all kinds of situations relations in all kinds of countries all over the world and never found an occasion where I had a drink in a lot of that I think I think has to do with the knowledge the understanding and the wisdom of the people that I was able to care carry with. Yeah I could actually relate light to that when you wrote about that when you're in Russia and you couldn't you couldn't attend meetings now you wouldn't believe that but you know the the the the bottom line is is that attending meetings is a great thing and I do it whenever I can I the go-to One brick and mortar meeting a week and I go to one online meeting a week and for me these days that's seems to be sufficient. It's very comfortable to do. And I like that and I do that and I do that whenever on possible. Whenever it's possible I was even lying in the hospital year or so ago in attended a Sunday online meaning? 'cause I thought I needed all right My laptop sitting Damn Hospital. So you know it's like it's great but you know people shouldn't have people shouldn't be terrorized by meetings. Oh Misdemeanor God oh Oh now absolutely not. Yeah I know I've I've seen some guts very back in the old days I've seen some very subtle of guilt tripping of people sometimes. It's not so subtle if they hadn't been seen at meetings and so forth but that doesn't have at our group and it does cut from some sort of true alot in that is I've heard it many times Where somebody says and then I stopped unconsciously stopped going to meetings and that I've heard lead to all kinds of very unfortunate outcomes but that's different than either you know that's different than being a slave to the? Oh yeah and I think the whole purpose of Hyun is to actually live your life in the world you know. I didn't give up the slavery of alcohol for another form of bondage just to see get my home group. That's actually what I'm watching happening. You know Our group here in KC is full of people who've never been to a traditional AA meeting who've never cracked open the big book. They don't know any they don't know any other type of a and so I I would watch these people come in and I'm thinking they need. They should be doing this the way I know to do it but I would watch what was going on John and they were staying sober sober. They were making friends. They were getting their lives together and they were happy and I thought well hell it's working. They don't need anything else. Yeah well in the fullness of time will I we're just still in the beginning stages of this secular meanings being a national or international phenomenon. It'll be really interesting. I hope I live long enough to see it because there's a whole generation of people coming up in AA AAA now. These secular meetings who have never had the experience of the Big Book and all that other crap. It'll be interesting to see what happens to them when they're like twenty or thirty years sober well. Well it will be. I don't think I'm going to have that opportunity but also miracles. So where where are we. Well we were talking about. We talk about attending meetings and the benefit of that and I guess you know that kind of goes right along with the sharing aspect the takes place in. I mean gene that critical communication is a kind of communication that you get in a meeting that you don't yet elsewhere. There's something there. I'm never meditated in my life. I and I don't think I ever will. Oh I have friends where they tell me that In a some forms of secular meditation work for them. Not GonNA debate that at all but I have sat air many times over the years quietly which is very unusual for me. You be quiet sitting there quietly listening to stuff that seems almost totally unrelated to my own and experience and on life in own background and coming away from that somehow not only calm but you know educated in a way that I would become. I wouldn't be open enough to be educated to some of that here unless I was a I know myself well enough to know that the noise of the world the noise of my own head in the noise of what we have to go through every day just to be alive is such that I wouldn't be paying attention in that way unless I was there listening to the sharing of which draws me back as important Britain as our own ego is in our own sharing is the essence of it while we really learn is from the sharing of others absolutely and that that's a weird concept to me because I'm so either. Yeah I experienced that in the very first I meeting it was two things and you described it when you were talking when you wrote about the woman who was very well put together she was just you know you couldn't imagine and she shared the story of just these horrendous problems that she had just like worse than any. Yeah most turn movie. You could watch on Netflix. It's just that's the power of it is like when I saw when I came to my first meeting and these people would share their stories stories with me and I looked at them and they looked like they were just normal everyday people who are doing much better than I ever could dream of doing. It was just amazing. Amazing to imagine. Wow you know you've been where I been It's just it's just there the delayed effects of it to I've been around sound a long time and a lot of the people that I knew early on. Were able my age or even older when I was first. I'm coming in. You know almost thirty three years ago so obviously those people are gone and now in my old age where I'm looking forward my my older age. Of course I'm not old watch you know They're looking forward to the INEVITABILITIES that we all. After as what I son how recall from the way some of these people were staying sober in pacing their way through the final stages of their life. Man I say oh man. That was so incredible. And even today I can recall some of that and I don't recall with any for you because these people were friends of mine and I wish they were still around. Certainly nothing euphoric about recall but the recall is very useful to me today. Like when I started wanted have health problems do things like I hadn't spent a night in the hospital until I was sixty six years old and unfortunately I'd spent not months but many nights in there since and just having to go through these experiences remembering what I saw friends of mine. Who aren't here anymore? Go through is just a great value in even you know. I hear these people going through midlife problems and problems with kids and problems with employers and other types of problems that I don't have any more but I can see the shock. Recognition and the light commodity equals is of people maybe thirty or more years younger than I am or twenty-five years yet the going through the same stuff and I see their life is like and that's the sharing process because you know. I know that someone is going through something similar to what you're going through. And you're not so a frat in alone and there's nothing lonelier than drinking alcoholic and erode is I can't think of anything so sharing Instable as it is and and as you said that sometimes the benefit is just from the listening. I I've gotten to the point I I. I often tell people that I feel like. I'm more of an observer when I go to meetings anymore because I feel like you know I think I've said all I can say but but just being there and listening thing I guess is Someone told me. That's you're doing what you need to do. That's a good thing that you're doing that People need you there to listen and actually it does help me. I mean there's all kinds ends of For me What I like is just watching these people a change and get better and it's just it's just a it's just something I enjoy but now I WANNA talk about? I think was what the the most interesting part of what you wrote. It's something that I really never thought of in the terms that you wrote about it. You talk about absence now. Often Times I think about abstinence is just you know the not drinking but you you wrote about Abstinence as really the change that comes about certainly from being abstinent. Oh Yeah I mean you know. I had a doctor in Nineteen eighty-five who was a an eye on all these English people in my life for some reason that very interesting English doctor and I went to him for medical condition in my inner ear. And Somehow I managed haven't deploys in my inner ear without hall and Dr Fenton looked at me and he said John. You're a smart boy. Don't you have boy at the time right away Joe. Juneau of alcoholism poison a moment of revelation nation and it is a poise. And when we remove poison from our bodies if we haven't put too much if you to put too much poison in your body you're gonNA end up like that poor former FSB SP Guy Lebanon Who was poisoned by Putin in London they put little too much poisoning his body? And you die. If you put too much dislike Lebanon Godi of Baloney alcohol just ex longer than polonium. But it's the same thing it's a poison you put enough enough of of enough of it in your body and it kills you and other even some things. That people are injecting using today. Kill you a a lot quicker than that but boy I just remember when I took that poison out of my body least in my case I got immediate relief from many things. Absolutely isn't that funny. I mean and he said had it's not connected to virtue self-examination contrition personality change. And you also said moral rearmament which I guess is like right. Well moral rearmament as the Oxford group right in that. Are they even still around anymore. I think they believe they are. They call themselves something. Something changed for more armament trump. There trump people for Sir okay. Let's not talk about you get me. Then I'll START II used profanity again remember. Maybe we'll have to look what I find interesting name is that I I okay. There was a guy are meeting Who said that you know? He doesn't have anything to do with says he says. I think that all of that is what any normal decent person would do anyway after. Stop drinking and we stopped to think about it. Yeah you kind of when you when you take that out of your life and you and you so taking the poison out of your body. You're no longer physically sick. You're thinking better. You're no longer having the life problem. So now your life is together You just start doing things that normal person would do you start you started rebuilding your your your relationships. You start asking yourself questions about what you had been doing Alina. You might be doing things differently. But it's so funny that that is what was bringing about the change and yet the people back in the Oxford Group and he even leaving a lot of us in a today think that the change was the self examination and all of the other stuff in need to have a spiritual experience to be good fat and the best people the Best Group of people I've ever government ever are people in recovery Accent this elsewhere the top level of human be in in all of my experience again. I'm serving I'm being redundant. I've only net a couple of sociopaths in a there are sociopaths in a there are there are horrific stories about sociopaths. Getting themselves into a particularly involved in you in a sexual issues and stuff like that but you know the the the vast vast vast majority of people in a behave in ways that are far superior to what I see on the outside. Did I use the initials. Aa coverage. Okay well you know I mean got this is involuntary tech. I have to fully eliminate but the people in recovery that I've met air behavior generally is the period so it's not because of some sort of intercession of some sort of thing from the outside. It's because because you're better self gets to merge when you're not poisoning you're brainstorming the final lobes and the rest of the cerebral cortex with this voice. Your brain starts again. You start. Yeah it really does kind of make sense you describe it. It's kind of a gradual subtle change and it is and and I can. I can totally understand. How people would you know this is? This is the essence of religion. You're trying to explain something that you don't understand. You know so they come up with they come up with these Beth's for how the world was created and then we later find out that that really is was was done so it's almost like you know it was that it was the not drinking. That changed your life. It wasn't that change in your life right right which brings me around the other point. I think I was trying to make in that part of the pieces was I cannot believe maybe this is just my own die. Hard faith that I've developed a girl these years. I cannot believe people that do not see abstinence. Attendance as the absolute value. That it is it clearly is. It's the only thing that works really league works for people like us. People look at it and I did as the outcome and not the solution. It's an absolute solution. The outcome is up to you. You're a free agent. You have free will as the cafeteria. Someone's like they had a backwards backwards. Is that you do these things and you and you maintain absence when when in fact if you maintain accidents these things will kind of happen. Yeah it's crazy all right it's just aspect You know and and you know I'm supposed to be grateful to some thing I'm ungrateful in general. Every morning I wake up with somebody. I'm totally nuts about in love with. I have two kids that are doing unbelievable things things. My brain still able to function when I need to go out and work which unfortunately I still need to do that. A lot of from time to time for various reasons seasons ago. Strange places in do my job that I know how to do for years and years of work in this field on and you know it you know it. It's one hundred percent of it is because I'm not loaded today. Not Fifty percent but seventy five percent and the the agent on that ability to do what I can do as a person is the fact that I am abstinent today day. Which is why I'm not GONNA go into? This is going to be plenty of people coming to divest. Its twenty twenty. That will be talking about things like arm reduction than you know we've got we've got Jon Stewart coming over with a whole other view things that you know. Maybe I do do on the subject of harm-reduction there'll be others there for sure about that but I just personally I do not understand why the the first thing that end wealth I m Alex in many of these schemes isn't that absolute insistence upon upon the efficacy of abstinence. Now that doesn't mean that everybody is going to become abstinent or stay abstinent but the that's the goal all to me. I can't see any other goal for people that have the kind of condition I developed over the twenty three years at I drank from age. Fifteen to age thirty eight in the shade by was in when I finally got around to showing up the only thing absolutely salute. The only thing that ever ever worked for me is absence. I owe my life too. So why there's this even discussion about it is if it was too hard. Of course. It's hard of course life is heart. What's harder abstinence us or dying on the street or in a Looney bin gotta know? I said something quickly. Correct dying in a facility. He's somewhere from this condition. I once had a medical somebody. I knew that was a medical student. Tell me that they estimated that in every general hospital in the United States. I don't know whether this was scientifically correct. It's just one young doctor told me this one time that something like fifty or sixty percent of the patients that were in hospitals at anyone given time had something to do with alcohol or drugs in on the weekend in Er the percentage is even higher nine. I don't know whether that's absolutely flew to or not but I know that's a giant percentage of people that are in medical extremities have had too much to drink so I just to me. It's just it's extraordinary and it really surprised me that I even had to sort of discuss that question in all of this but when I look around at the literature and I looked around it so much of this stuff about control all drinking and cognitive behavioral behavioral therapy and all these other modalities and things I just knew more four and more and more for me only thing that works was stopping and I think there's a I think there's a growing number of people who have nothing to do with Aa. Where this this is the key I I? I read a book not long ago. The unexpected joy of being sober by Katherine Grey and she writes about this the importance of absence and she writes about about how alcohol is bad for anybody. He said it's a poison and that it out or what you might want to call it kind of kind of is on us on a scale ells on a on a you know some people have it really bad and said people don't have it so bad but for anybody that to not drink is better for you than to drink but certainly once you've become addicted alcohol the not drinking is the whole essence of the recovery You won't get better Your Life won't get better if you don't maintain absence and then it's the sh the meetings and the share in her case she has nothing to do with. Aa But she has friends ends. She has she has people who do support her and are and they're doing it together. So yeah well you know. It's just the analogy would be. Let's talk about alcoholics. And how messed up against and how terrible their conditions. If any woman that was eight and a half months pregnant walked into a bar and appear to have had a drink and ordered another drink. How many people would serve IRV that late? I like to thank the answers about zero would be served. But if we're should a obviously in extremis but we're not beating up anybody. You're causing a Ruckus when we walk up to the bar. Even though it's pretty obvious with the red face the broken broken pupils and the general demeanor that were just out of our minds. The question is what happened so I eight in many ways. I don't think we view alcohol intake and alcoholics as seriously away from a medical standpoint as we would that kind of awful example I gave of an obviously pregnant lady going to get another drink. It it to me. It's analysis and we don't do that. We still moralize. There are people that drink normally like members of my family can drink normally. I can't all right. I'm sitting in the club the other night listening to somebody wife and I really like she can have of a glass of wine because that's all she has and I can have a diet coke and that's all I have I have I mean that I could drinks up above by Andrew chronologies light when a great guy. I suppose I could order area but still can't drink anything with alcohol all in it. I can't and you know we just by trying to tell people. That really can't drink that they can that it is and I guess. I just rendered an opinion on some of this stuff. I said I wouldn't have opinions on. That's just or can so we're coming up on an hour. Let's talk about helping others so basically you know we're we're attending meetings and we're we're forming friendships We're helping people as we as we become friends. Oh I know something you wrote that I totally agree with give people space. Don't smother them. Oh Yeah Yeah I. Maybe maybe if someone I'll give you an example. There's someone I know who's very ill. Who had about eleven years of sobriety and a bit younger than I am and I got any careful? I don't want go into too much detail. But he disappeared for about two years and I found out that he was probably in the most desperate desperate straights because it was a guy who is a very accomplished professional and I someone told me that he had been panhandling to buy alcohol because his wife had cut off his accounts. He couldn't get a hold of his among the wife. Cut Him off and he calls me up and the bottom line for me with this guy was well. It's your choice but if you make the choice myself south listed a several other friends were involved in trying to help. We will do anything you ask us to do. Within within reason to be of assistance please know that care about you. We love you a week. The only thing we can do is respond to your request. Will you meet me for coffee next week with my only request of him. Of course he inch So these situations are very sad and we do our best but we do have to give people their atonomy in their space. This may sound radical to some. But if you're not killing anyone else if it's your decision to kill yourself and you're not totally completely impaired. If you make a decision to kill yourself yourself what can I do. If that's really what you're GONNA do. What can I do to interfere with that decision at me? Sound a little harsh but people deserve their autonomy but that said if anybody gives even the slightest indication that they need our help when we do help them we get a lot more back than we ever gave. And that's the paradox of art at sounds a little selfish but it's true I was thinking about is letting giving people space to you. Just feel like they're safe there somewhere where they can trust you and and and and their place where they can get better without Having to be pushed let me give you an example in the mid West where I live and I don't know if it's this way where you live but when a newcomer shows up at an AA meeting they give them what's called a first step meeting and a first step meeting is when people go around the room and they talk to that person and they talk about their drinking and they might give them advice or suggestions or whatever so that newcomer that person at the first meeting. WHO's already jittery and afraid? Afraid is the center of attention at that meeting so our group and we started up in the we agnostic scrape and Kansas City. Initially we we. We thought that that's what we would do. We thought that's what people may do. But we were noticing that that we were scaring people away so we stopped doing that and so what we do instead. Ed is when somebody shows up to our meeting and their new. We don't we don't treat them any differently. We welcome them. We get them a cup of coffee. We make them feel comfortable but we don't make them the center of attention. We don't you know what I'm saying. Do you guys have. Is that accustomed. DC Do you guys had this. We inevitably if somebody's new particularly if somebody's really shaky or they're they're they indicate they're really sort of. In extreme extreme circumstances that will change a bit subsequent shares right and the emphasis but there's never perform away. There's a young man I know that's been recently Coming to see us. And he was so uptight he wouldn't say a word for about the first month and we left them alone. We just said we're glad you're here. occasionally be asked to share. He'd say I don't want to. It's not time or whatever nobody put finger in the guy's face and the last few you weeks ago guys just opened up and started to share much more openly than I thought he ever might do and that was because he was is basically left alone. And nobody's badgering him in saying. Why didn't you call me this week? Here's my number. You GotTa call me on Tuesday in some bullshit like that it. Somebody wants a number. We've got a phone list and people in use of homeless and we can say something like well if if you ever need to talk around and that sort of thing we don't go beating people over the head. That's never been the way you know. And I think back when I when I was a starting out I I was pretty quiet in meetings. It took me a while before I before I would actually openly share in meetings but after the meeting was done I was out the door immediately and I saw you know. People people need their space. It takes it takes. It takes time and and we just can't assume that everybody should should be treated the same another thing thing. I really hate though is forcing yourself on someone as their sponsor. Oh Man Oh oh I do not like that and I don't know what to do about it but it doesn't. It doesn't happen our group. I don't think it really happens to the secular groups as much as it does that some of the more rigid groups where well you know. Somebody's clancy groups in particular. They they put such a weird emphasis on sponsorship. That it's it's bizarre quite frankly and they make you some of them make you call three different. There's a group of Casey. The does that and you m-plus you report to your sponsor about your your calls during the day you know that that seems more like a handmaid's tale and if you do something right your sponsor sponsor comes down on you there grants and my great great great grand spots in the civil war. He was drinking bourbon again. That's really freaky. It's really weird and I've written about sponsorship. I can see some good good in it but I think I think there's some caution that should be played there as well you know if if somebody is really pushing themselves on you to be there sponsor you know. Just just be a little weary of that I I I that really Kinda concerns me but anyway I I liked what you had to this about that. Well you know. Sometimes you're somebody's sponsored by accident. I've actually had a friend of mine tell me that. He considered me his sponsor and I had no idea as we used to sit around and have coffee after the meeting and talk about kids and work in Alien Ryan stuff like that and you know I never knew he considered me in that regard. Is I just. Don't pay that much attention to that. Sort of locution about about things but yet if we're there and we're trying to help we get back more than we get so the bottom line is the more if if you bet. There's the the help with caution stuff you're very kindly pointed out which is that. We shouldn't be foisting ourselves on someone if they might feeling it you could. You could make yourself available if someone needs your help. They'RE GONNA ask for it in if they don't need your help you're not gonNA give from and it has just it's not on you. It's it's what they. They need okay. If I needed help amongst the people that I know I have a endless I have you know accord group group of people. I could call upon anytime day or night and I've got at least a couple of who would fly across the world literally you to help me if I needed. I never needed that. But it's a nice thing to know if there are people in the world who you're not related to who care about you that's a that's a good thing so but there are always limits. I mean if someone I WanNa go into countered situations where people abused those relationships and they rely too much on a make it as if someone like a sponsor could get them sober at least that sometimes you know you know I I use it now. A very good friend of mine who was undergoing some very difficult treatment for mental illness us and we were no more qualified to treat is condition than I am to wave a Najib Juan over a drinking alcoholic. You get certain point with alcoholism it becomes a medical problem a a program but the important thing with my friend. At least he told me after he came throughout out of all this horror he went through through any came through and he started to get Erin veteran. Better each just said that to just now that you guys had come visited me and that you that sent me some emails and the care. That was wonderful. That was good for me but we had very little to do with his recovery from that particular ticket condition but making ourselves available is important because at least someone knows there is someone there as as long as they don't depend on you to the extent a safe that you're the magic sauce that's GonNa make them so no them make they making their decision and taking affirmative steps to get a sober is. What's going to get them through? You helping them. Ed is good and you do it partially because you get such good positive reinforcement back to yourself A. We're not miracle workers. John assured you're you're on board with that positive. That ain't no miracles here to wrap things up John. Is there anything that you're that you're trying to achieve by in writing and speaking about these things or you just do tell us okay. I was accused of a being overly negative about my opinions about this dreaded additional that I'm not a mention in their literature and all that stuff and I've had it said to me somebody will say to me. Love what you do Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah others have said. Oh you're so negative your pain in the ass. You're this you're that and I said well what I'm trying to do on the one hand is say that there's no one-size-fits-all or simplified set of rules or instructions or list of things to do in sobriety as I see and I get very vocal about it because I feel that people have been harmed by those approaches but on the other hand I sort of get the point. If you're saying what doesn't work well then what the hell does work for you. And I wanted to clearly articulate that I found some solutions for myself that worked for me. Winch are totally positive and that I come around and I ll associated for positive not negative reasons. 'cause people admits it's true folks have vocal opinions about things recovery programs or politics or whatever and they can didn't miss interpret. Who and what you are when I wanted to sort of postulate ear? was that not all hard or atheist are totally totally negative that we see a positive and affirmative way forward in recovery. And that these things or things that I see as positive that made up the components of what I call my own recovery. So that was is the primary and then possibly that these things when they're presented in this way could possibly be of assistance to someone else. Well I think that anybody who reads them if they've been if they've been exposed to recovery in in any kind of Form would find agreement agreement to him because it is kind of like a natural process. I think of what happens and you really did that really well. You know. We're going to post these. Thank you for allowing us to do that on a beyond belief. We'll do that as as a as a series. I don't think we're GONNA post step section though I don't know what section will want me. Here's steady no. I don't think that would be necessarily a positive thing for you about that. That has become like the less the least popular the meeting that we have here so anyway. Well maybe it will die. It probably will. I'll be happy to be the agent of euthanasia Out there on that one if you want. But I'll let you guys deal with that on your own but thank you John. I really appreciate it this chance to talk with you. You did a great job here and I I really look forward to posting this podcast and posting those articles so again thank you very much for your residence. Well how about that. John's pretty interesting to speak with a really Enjoy having him on the PODCAST. We'll have you back on again. Some time Also look forward to seeing him in Washington. 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Hard Factor 4/28: Food Supply Chain In Jeopardy, Joe Biden In Hot Water, UFOs Officially Exist

Hard Factor

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Hard Factor 4/28: Food Supply Chain In Jeopardy, Joe Biden In Hot Water, UFOs Officially Exist

"Would it is Joe Man Randy savage? This factor in there is no one. Does it better now? But he does it better myself go ahead tell me something right now. Welcome to another episode of factor presented by the Barstool News Network. It is Tuesday April. Twenty twenty outing there. You Go Tuesday April. Twenty eight twenty twenty. This is day number two of the clock being back which I didn't really actually pull up so I'm actually not going to be as harsh Danny ways a lot. A lot of pushback talk. I didn't pull it up so I'm going clockwise owned by the clock in my head today. Twenty two year anniversary won't be on tomorrow's show. Oh looks record the night tonight two years tonight as my two year old cotton cotton cotton. It's it's like paper and cotton yeah. Ut Oh yeah yeah exactly so. It's here's a shirt cheap. Yeah that's those. Those anniversary gifts will get you Yeah so I don't really have the Don't really have the Stop Watch up so as thirty or forty. We'll see today. We've got eight incredible stories on tap pat going all right guys. There's an old saying you don't fuck with the people that handle your food and unfortunately for the meat loving Americans everywhere the bastard that is corona virus. Doesn't give a shit about idioms. Probably because it's it feasts on souls and not chicken But that's exactly what it's been doing is fucking with people that are making our food and it seems there are going to be some major consequences because of it guys. It's not good that does not sound good Much like medical perf- I'm sorry. Go ahead no no no no. I just have so many questions. I want to hear more. We're going to get into so much like medical professionals grocery store staff and nail technicians in Georgia. The men and women who work in the meat processing plants around this country haven't had the luxury of quarantining at home because getting food onto our tables is most certainly essential And despite their best efforts to social distance and where what little protective gear that is available to them while at work these workers have been getting sick which is in turn been forcing the closure of meat processing plants all around the country affecting effectively on a big fucking monkey wrench right in the Food Chingiz. That's not good. So the food supplies. Yeah it's bad it's kind of what we're seeing a with With oil in some respects like there's too much thinking that it's it's very similar to that except the problem with oil. Was You just get it for cheaper? You're a con a consumer. The problem with this is what you don't get your food anymore. Right they were that you get it to you right. It gets worse than that. Yeah can't eat oil and it doesn't die on this on Sunday guys. The Chairman of Tyson's Tyson Foods John H Tyson. What are the odds of that? It's a crazy coincidence. Hi Gary Hi. Anyway he took out an advertisement in the form of a letter in The Washington Post and the Sunday section with a dire warning That quote the FOOD CHAIN IS BREAKING DOWN. See in the last ten days. Tyson has been forced to close four meat processing plants because of rampant infections of Kobe nineteen amongst their staff. Most recently the plant in Goodlettsville. Good Lettuce Ville Tennessee Nashville We're one hundred and one hundred. Twenty of the plant staff have confirmed cases of Cova data. Shut that fucker down And that that was closed over the weekend To do a quote deep cleaning weekend. Firebombing Yep okay has implications on a later store. So what does this exactly mean guys? What are these closure meet closures? Meanwhile it means the food doesn't get to the grocery store that doesn't get to my mouth that's very true mark and that's a God damn shame and according to Tyson quote as pork beef and Chicken. Plants are being forced to close even for short periods of time. Millions of pounds of meat will disappear from the supply chain Continuing he said there will be limited supply of our products. Figure out. Somebody's GONNA figure out this. I'm worried about how much power bezos is going to have is all Amazon's GONNA figure out how to get that meet. Straighten your mouth. They're going to fly. They're going to pick it up with the drones for it goes bad and then fly it into your mouth and now we're up. Drivers are finished and plant. Workers are finished at the plants. Because I don't I know I'M NOT GONNA learn how to farm I'll take a drone It would take too long. You die before you learned. It's pretty much impossible unless you're born into it Guys almost a third of US. Poor capacity is currently down And you better get ready for skyrocketing prices at the grocery store but also that fucking sucks for already struggling re restaurants to some predictions. They could be unable to source ground beef as early as next week right. So that's right when they're real. Well keep the restaurant's closed then. We can still have it for ourselves for the growth. Not Not so Wesley. Not so unfortunately Because less west evil is way out. West might be taking a trip to the rural towns in America after tone this next part. That Shit Sucks Guys. But what sucks a lot more? The further repercussions caused by the supply chain interruptions specifically the quote millions of animals chickens pigs and cows that will have to be depopulated because of the closure of our processing facilities depopulated. Aka killed and not consumed. Aren't they already depopulated? Though to get processed? No just incinerate 'em right like turn into foods. Waste knows what they're not Gonna. They're not gonNA get into food. Of course. Yeah I get that but they were going to die. If the supply chain wasn't right they were going to die delicious death. They're also okay. That'll wait wait. Wait wait wait. Couldn't this all be solved by freezers? Yes absolutely researchers them well. Why don't you just fly all the animals to Antarctica do it? They're getting resources. It's a resource this also. This might sound dark but if things get really bad I've got five cats. That's at least six months of food. Yeah that's five months honestly you two dogs. We all know you're gonNA eat half were should we? Should we cut that? You'RE GONNA get stoned and finish the other. Never I would never ask. It'd be very dire guys but if some countries that's not even know it's a delicacy if I am GONNA clock. This doesn't hit home for you. Think about it like this. Remember the cartoon Garfield and friends right. Yeah Yeah Remember. The Friends. The ones that hung out the farm. Us acres yeah. They're all fucking dead. Orson pig dead booker and Sheldon Dead Way. The Dutch debt. Lets Web Babe Babe? The pig all fucking shit is getting real guys. According to Business Insider Delmarva Poultry Industry Inc a poultry processing plant in. Delaware has made the difficult but necessary decision to kill two million chickens this week as a worker shortage pushes the. Us Meat Supply chain toward a brig point The cooperative said it looked at all other options but chicken genocide was the only one And this is the same pigs cows and everything else delicious in our country big lettuce you mentioned. The town's called lettuce early. Think this is big vegetarian vegetarian. It could be could be the hippies taking their revenge. It's big freezer. They're going to need free but the animals are GONNA get too big so they just got a fucking killing they gotta waste them. So they're just getting thrown away so west If you want some prime cuts man. Now's the time to take a little trip. Yeah well I bet you gonNA for cheap. I was actually I would look. I was looking at you know a freezer for for my garage the other week and now are going to live in more so I think I'm going to get one and just get it now. Those those are gonNA drive by the Freezer today. Absolutely all right guys. This move on. This next story is one. The fans have been asking force. We're going to give it to you. We have been accused of leaning laughed or ducking this story. We've been called liberal. Why haven't we talked about this? I don't know let me get into it Well it's the old story. It's a lie. Let's start off by saying this is a very old we haven't gotten into this brand fucking no. It's not we fucked up. We should've talked about this week a week or so. It's brand new for us and I think the reason. We didn't get into much older than just a week. Though much of the week I think. What does this story West? Well no one's letting me talk so it's impossible to tell you but it's the it's the unofficial official Democratic Party presidential nominee. The man they are hoping can take president trump the man with the affinity for spelling here and kissing the heads of young girls and women alike Talking about President Joe Biden and more specifically what we know about the sexual assault allegations against him from his former staffer. Staffer Torah read. Okay that's the story is she? A Joe are right around one. American pie came out. I think pro talking about Joe Sticky fingers by talking about Creepy Joe as as trump likes to know. He's sleepy Joe but he really means cribbage. But let's get it straight though it's it's going to be Tara. Not Not like territory. The hot mess actress. We gotTA say Tars. We don't get into Muller Mueller situation for the rest of the time we talk. Okay okay okay. We'll go by you. Do you go by wheel or you go by will Smith. Yeah because you're not gonNA see like Tara Reader Sandton as worse as he goes. We're saying it has been out for a while. We haven't covered it because it really didn't have any legs or legitimacy until some recent revelations that have been common out that no it had legs and legitimacy back in ninety three the first time it came. Well okay I'm talking about. Yeah Yeah Okay. Okay just saying well. Well we want to show and we weren't doing a show back then so we don't know what the what does the story with. Yeah okay I t Tara. Reid is accused Joe Biden sexually assaulting her in nineteen ninety-three When she was working as an aide in his Senate office some of her jobs where menial and one day one of our tasks was to bring Senator Biden his Jim Duffel bag so while doing so somewhere in Capitol Hill in a corridor which is a fancy name for an indoor alley read says that Joe Biden quote had me up against the wall used. His native spread open my legs and put his fingers inside. Yeah that's why. I made that inappropriate jokes. That's not. That's not good. No that's that is that's salt brother. That's right. She also claims that after she got emotional and away because you know it was assault and she hated it. That Biden looked at her and said come on. I heard thought you liked me now. See I read it differently and this is where I kinda thought he might. This might have legs even before. That stuff is 'cause you know like come on. I thought you liked me. You know how he treats like the construction where absence stuff I read it coming from Jill and I was like that's exactly he punches. Her in the arm come on come on man he likes to say that man come on. Man. I was told you liked me. This is a mutual. Come on come on Joe. Then he got card even remember him before he when he could show that type of enthusiasm. I can't even recall nine months ago. Yeah then he got angry and you are nothing to me. You are nothing before. Finally grabbing her by the shoulders. And saying okay. You're fine you know. Just kind of comedy down after he sexually assaulted her. I mean she's just killed her. So that's that's the worst interaction of all time out before. Yesterday this allegation was kind of a more of us. She said he said think Biden this campaign of denied the allegations even though it was found out that read Claims she did file formal complaint against Joe with some Senate office. That handles those things. Probably a very busy office. After the alleged assault happened and was relieved of her position long after the formal complaint though cannot be located so that kind of goes out the window. There's no proof of that But now new evidence is coming out. That seems to corroborate her story. I Larry King Live taping from ninety three when Tara's mother calls in and asks what she should do and that her daughter can do. What can our daughter do other than go to the press And her daughter has a story to tell about. Senator but is choosing to keep quiet Also is a lyric when shaping was just a was it a show about Biden her. It was like they were taking callers. And the mom called in randomly. You know I think it was like a sexual assault kind of show in the mom called in I which they have removed from the from the online archive. I guess we can't tell Apax it's evidenced now so Anyway also to friends of hers of now come out and said that after the Assault Tara confided in them and told them of the assault and a very emotional and tearful recounting of the events. One woman was her neighbor the other a colleague from work. She also said her brother who she told remembers her telling that old joe put his hand up her skirt So there's there's three people that are cooperating The Larry King thing I think the mom said stuff like she called in and it was. Kinda like she didn't say Joe Biden my name she was like. Hey my daughter and I won't say bunny worked as a staffer for very high ranking Delaware official down. Yeah so that's the only one in the last like she wasn't she wasn't trying to smear Biden's name which is why it makes even more damning right. It seems like when you look back at it. It's like a well. She mentioned she didn't mention any kind of sexual assault. She just said she had a story to tell. And what else did she do? Delaware only gets one senator because they're smaller so it. Yeah that's how. Yeah so. Yeah other people that were short ones other work. People that worked with Biden in the nineties have been contacted and none of them have Cooperated the story that made me none of them knew or it's total bullshit because all of them knew what happened or alleyway when she was giving him the Duffel by the real question here is did he had already been made. The jokes fuck did he. Does that negatives by fingers or not because everything is is my self imposed sort of making fun of Joe is off. I don't want to beat a dead horse because I was going back to it all the time but like recently the last video I saw him or Dr. Jill is standing next to him and he is just like thousand yards staring at bobbing back and forth. Like he looks like he's either trying to hold back a shit or he's slipping in and out of consciousness. It's impossible to tell which one and I mean like he had this these fucking allegations hanging out since the early nineties there. He's the same guy he's always. Biz. I don't understand why they thought bummbly mixed sunglasses was all of a sudden the new fucking guy in twenty twenty years. Well here's why because now is the perfect perfect out like if they give them a Lotta detector test doesn't remember he's after you took them a bitch but we'll we'll you're dead on right do you remember when When trump was Was Getting the Republican nomination. Everyone's like this is going to be the end of the Republican Party. Little did we know that it was actually the Democrat Party. That was gonNA fucking end eventually. Because it's like this is just a comedy of terrible. He's guy he's the same guy. He's failed to run for president three times in the same party. That's now forcing him to be the nominee. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah it's the same guy and now he's the same guy except now he can barely make it through a public appearance. What is going on? I don't know I mean they need. They need to have some more concrete evidence because right now it's still twenty. Just Cavanaugh thing. It's the exact same thing as cavanaugh thing right now trump it is with that and is it true and so he's fine but it should be a story that people talk about. Oh yeah and it's unreal. How people are trying to sweep stuff under the rug about his whole campaign we and also you know. Several women came forward saying that Joe made them feel uneasy. Never any claims of of of Sexual Assault but Lucy. Florez is a former Nevada. Simply woman said in two thousand fourteen that he made it feel uneasy and grossing infused because he comes up to women and he gives him a Joe Special and kisses on the back of the fucking neck and sniffs their hair and he's very was very. I started feeling uneasy when he started to try to breathe in my breath. There's there's there's a few thousand boyfriends husbands et CETERA. That can corroborate that. He makes women feel uneasy well. He got two full novels. They get my wife's hair and now we gotta fuck it vote. We got to vote for these. These two these two motherfuckers for president one or the other. What Nice what was what was better with Hillary. Wasn't it sucks. It sucks all fucking. It's twenty twenty. Who gives his shoulder a little Hypocritic hypocritical pickle here because they want to talk about trumping this kind of guy and now they got biden that might be this kind of guy same kind allegations should probably at least talk about it. You know they should talk about it on the task. Cnn's got it on the table. Now so they're gonNA look into it but it's probably going to get swept under the rug because there's still a. He said she said so. We'll see how it turns out. That is what is happening so far with the Tara. Reid allegations on just. I'm just got him finally getting some fucking sleepless into his podcast. It's like even cast. Even if he admits to it his crew can be like. He just doesn't has. He's not all there like he's he's fine either way. There's don't remember that they are. He doesn't remember lost my cool and forgot the clock us but we are definitely clock. Bet On that and that's stories brought to you. Predicted predicted dot org slash. Promo I told you. Get a free twenty bucks on us. It will feel like we are softly kissing the back of your neck with free money. Or what's that sent the free twenty four for a free sample go to predict dot Org Slash Promo Slash Heart factor twentieth. So let's look at the nomination market. The News of Tara and the corridors are singing some tunes that investors do not like as the nomination of Joe. Slip like that. Tara in the corridors. You guys like that. That's amazing. Yeah the nomination has been very honest. Story slipped back down to under eighty cents so people are losing faith in Joe. They're losing some faith that he's going to get the nomination. Joe Biden Zone Shits to win the nomination. He's come on so who's who is Senator who's like is it spread out. No I mean I it seventy nine. And that's it and it's just the ceiling. Cuomo eight South Seattle. They're all under the bottom of Vaal and it's fucking also slipped three cents. Who will win the election market down to forty three sense. Oh the confidence. That economies allegations is not gonNA keep bumping that one down. Yeah no no one forty cents. A month ago was quite a break. But if you know if you go to predict that Org Slash Promo Slash Heart factor twenty and get in on the action. It's so much fun to make money off these politicians it makes politics fund. It's like betting on the WMBA. Just makes it watchable predict dot org slash promo slash was being Jesus? It's fucking trail. You Better Watch out. W players are calling out little Internet brats for calling them not good at sports. And I'm just saying it's more Cheryl. Switzerland kick more fun. Wnba BET on it. Okay okay all right Kim Jong Hoon. Yeah that was expressed appreciation on Monday to workers building tourism zone in the region of North Korea where his signature train was recently. Spotted inside a light photos. Thought he was dead mark. Yes so how does that happen right because north good catch will this is? This is yesterday a North Korean newspapers claiming that the Supreme Leader Kim Jong UN's alive and well and that's the proof that they have. They said that he wrote the wrote a letter. And it said they said respected Supreme Leader Come Jong UN has sent his thanks to the workers officials at the construction site of the won- calm a tourist resort and that means since he sent a letter he's alive also like I said they found his That doesn't hold water. They found his train his his personal trainer. And that Shit doesn't leave the station last Kim Jong UN's in it. Can we fuckers kidnapping ever seen a kidnapping you? You don't just fucking present just a letter. You need a note. And the train pat O' which was a satellite image of just a train but he's been on that trainer to train. Both of those are flimsy. Aguirre Latte but South Korean Unification Minister Kim Yang Tool told a closed-door forum in South and Seoul Korea South Korea on Sunday that South Korea has enough intelligence to confidently say that there are no unusual developments which goes along with what they've been saying. That Kim Jong Hoon is alive and well. So that one I will say as a little bit more concrete than the letter and the train When South Korea's they wouldn't admit who their intelligence was because it was clearly a spy by the way they were talking on the. Don't want them to get killed. But they're saying. Could you imagine being a spy? North Korea not outright job. It'd be tough but the spine North Korea's like he's alive so on. There's a new rumor going around that he missed the one hundred eighth birthday celebration of his grandfather and he's been missing because he's hiding like a coward from everyone because he doesn't want to get the corona virus because it's running rampant. North Korea and that I can believe yeah. Yeah why don't we do Doing something insanely callous. While the whole country just burns makes a lot of us. Yep What do you think pat? I just love how like trump got asked at the press conference yesterday. Do is Kim Jong Hoon dead. And he was No I can't say I can't say but I do know where he is and what he's do but I can't say someone he goes breaking news to me trying to break news here they'll yak is us like he made a statement on Saturday. Who's a couldn't have reading which they're texting and then the second question was is alive and he goes. I know but I can't say well turns out Kim Jong Hoon is alive and well and evil and more evil than ever. He's GONNA emerge from his train in a month or so after everyone in his country's been exposed the krona virus and has been cleared for fourteen days and say that he was away defeating the corona virus. If this is real this makes a lot more sense than than just dying cheese at thirty six. Yeah I'm not a security but I I I personally if I was taking care of leader Fuzzy secret. Whatever wouldn't put them on a train wouldn't put him on something that just has at track but when you own the whole country and nobody steps to in the whole country. Yeah that's true. No one's GonNa step to impact the unless. Here's my leader. My alternate theory is that he's dead and they're giving the best look alike look like three weeks to get his act together like we're talking about or they will. They will disappear him if he doesn't get it together and three weeks. Meanwhile the sisters actually tried to kill the look alike. So it's really tough situation for the lookalike. He's gotTA learn how to be Kim genuine and avoid the system. I want him to yeah. What's that? What's that parents sister? What'd you say? Well I was saying. Don't you think she also goes after him? I would think I well see until you this thing. I was thinking my other if it turns out. Reports are that Kim Jong is dead and she takes takes charge than her first victim. Besides her brother becomes the Shushi pet doctor to kill an about. Surgery will be her brothers. Two point Oh Dave Johnson. Look all right. She was in. She was involved in the murder of of the action. And is now having to kill all the lookalikes. Oh my God. All the Dave's de here she's married with kids it's interesting. She's an shell killer everyone. That's married with kids is not just interesting is a real homemaker. West real hard for life letter yesterday. Couldn't find it. I was just taking their word for the fact that there was a letter. They couldn't even fuck. Couldn't even find the fucking letter. Imagine depending on who takes charge next. If he's not alive. Whoever wrote the letter might be dead too because they went. They really went for writing the letter. You know what I'm saying Yeah there's two warring factions in this type of scenario sister or not. It's very like reminds me of like a you know. Like a game of thrones or something or like English English monarchy. Something like that as we've already covered earlier this week. America boys is getting back to work in a lot of places starting right now pretty much and thankfully the shorter press briefings. That pat was mentioning earlier the Monday. One trump confirmed attorney general. Bill Bar may start to sue states for continuing to stay for continuing their stay at home order for too long. If they're unconstitutional. Trump said it depends on the state which was an interesting comment and it would be considered unconstitutional. So Bill Barham come after you if you stayed closed for two. Don't want that. Don't want bill bar after he's treating build bar like is like is attack dog. I don't know what borrow do you might come after you. Oh that is very much. So his role and and he's also maybe talking about the West Coast Coalition of Governors in California Oregon Washington Nevada and Colorado have all pledged to quote work collectively as a region and individually each of our states as we execute a plan for economic recovery unquote. So only time will tell if he's trying to like target those All Democratic Governors in those western states with that comment or not. I mean I doubt it because the west coast is opening up by mid-may at the latest anyways not sure what states he may be talking about. Northeast as well right as it could be up there could be in the you know who knows who knows what he's talking about Obviously some places need to wait longer than others because the outbreak is at different stages before it will be safe like Tennessee and Georgia are supposed to be safe this week guys because they're opening up already. That's what they say no comment. I told my parents to get out there and start shaking hands introduce themselves to the neighbor's. Yeah exactly. Is that what you that. That could probably bad advice. How what's their age their who good. Yeah Bam I robot hands hands right so you thought it was going to be safe for that kind of thing we've got. These scars did a C. Which pat mentioned earlier had a prison outbreak of the virus? Was that what it was? That was in Tennessee. Was where the where the one hundred twenty members of the The Tyson chicken plant got sick. I'm sorry so they had it tastes in prison. It's a prison for chickens right about that right chicken. Prison outbreak And then they also reopened restaurants this week but they had their biggest jump in new cases on Sunday. Probably some of those prison cases So yeah hard to tell if the jump is just to do with the Tyson Jixian the additional testing. That ran up to Sunday or is Tennessee opening restaurants at the height of their outbreak. Which if they are would be very bad miscalculation that'd be terrible hoping hoping not hoping it was just a bad day right hope. That's that's what everybody hopes for sure. Obviously you want this to not be at the start of a new bump for them But they also have like restaurants opening with potatoes being six feet apart right in the bar. Area is still closed retail in Tennessee coughing. Since you absolutely can't cough protests over where were they like Netanyahu Netanyahu with six feet apart like a thousand people or their. How unless unless the restaurants are completely open outdoor gas where everyone sleeps in the top. Yuck and everything's on the Air Chris Asher way within six feet of people. That doesn't doesn't work when you have a doorway. That doesn't this doesn't work now. They're saying you might know the answer to this question. Is there like fucking lobby for gyms barbershops in nail salons that? I didn't know about because it seems like all these governors are really out in that like we're going to get these even the taxes in a lot of people use those. Those are just things that the people like really need on a regular basis. Now me I know they don't fit with your lifestyle right right but but they do feel with a lot of people's lifestyle out bat and here's another one that fits with a lot of people's lifestyle sports with all these people hopefully getting back to work and it not you know causing spikes hopefully sports will be making returns as well including the NHL Mark where the Jersey just for you other hoping to get The Canadian and US border re open but teams in the NBA and the NHL are starting to look at getting people back into the training facilities as soon as possible in the states that are stopping their lockdowns as will every other league as soon as they can That's in North America So Rona Buyers Jersey Week number two Continues the Great One Alexander Ovechkin before July resume. The season like this earlier. Will you're saying they're looking at extending into the summer and yet at least for Nhl unless these teams completely changed their seasons because the seasons on two June. So if it were to start in June and July not only extend the difference like raisin not only extending into the mark but also I think maybe even having hosts cities to finish out. And then you'd have to like maybe start the next season like a little later given like a very short very concerned about whether it's prediction was wrong or not. I love predict well. Also guys don't know if you want clarifier also don't have you guys but It would be an asterix. Of course it wouldn't be Rastrick. Thank you for But it would be a an irregular season Also guys. I don't know if you've noticed but the last dance is on. Espn netflix right now. I mean I'm pretty sure. Nobody's heard of that so yeah but I wanted to be. That is very good. Show longshots half the length of a season. It's a new thing I just didn't know if you guys heard all right guys here real real blog about it tomorrow here. It's about got him a New Jersey. Police officer is being hailed as a hero after his quick. Thinking and calm under pressure demeanor helped. Avoid a near disaster TACO BELL IN MANA HOCK IN NEW JERSEY. On Sunday guys a driver was shamefully waiting for their order of deep fried. Salmonella Taco Bell. Parking lot drive through when their car burst into flames? That's a quick thinking officer. Oehler of the Stafford Police Department sprung into action and uses cruiser to push the flaming vehicle out from under the drive through and safely into the Taco Bell. Parking Lot with car could burn to the ground safely credible nice. That's awesome happens right after someone farts after eating in the car on the way out manually manually moved yet. He just he just he took that. Grill GUARD UP FRONT. And you can hear like the e break and he was pushing that Falker it was a jeep liberty or some dumb shit like He she shoved it right out of the way because like I sat enough to be fucking sitting in a Taco bell drive through. And then it's even sadder when your car lights on fire but it's the worst when you burn out the Taco Bell for the town no he. Yeah Yeah. You're you're kind of hoping you dye your your mind. Your mind's like started the fire. What if I go? Thanks the officers. Quick actions the Taco Bell was saved from a fiery fate. The only injuries reported where the driver's already devastatingly low self esteem. Take it to the Internet. Real quick at regulated pod says never get the Diablo's sauce at Mike Philipe says. That's what the food does to your ass after eight in it at our a cell and says quick thinking vehicle fires are incredibly deadly the amount of plastics chemicals. In accelerates in a car make them highly toxic moving that car to the most remote area. Pardon what probably saved the building and contaminant contain the scene of the fire for the staffer. Dusty Miller response Taco bell ain't about to close their store down because some crusty ass cancer sled wanted to come through and bump a mixed tape and I agree dustin. Wow that's a good point. I mean doesn't doesn't it brings us to burn down the town's Taco Bell. That's a bad you're dead to the town. You gotTA move. Was THAT ONE GUY. Just a firefighter. Really but Dustin just protocol. Yeah they did it. That's exactly what they should have done. It's a it's an wrote down does doesn't look so high and his phone all right guys so while the Mafia may love the corona virus and locked down there is one group of not so great people that hate it. And that's the cheaters. I'm talking about the people that have affairs the cheaters so it seems like it seems. It's much harder to keep up with your affairs during lockdown in divorce attorneys. Think as soon as this the as the courts opened back up there will be a surge in new divorce filings because guess what makes sense or or faked people dead right blower corona deaths. We all sorts of things coming out of the work because what living every waking second with someone is hard you need brakes like work and happy hours not only to get away from each other but also so you can cheat. It gets a little suspicious when you suddenly develop irritable Bowel Syndrome. An APP to use that toilet fifteen times a day and you know so. That's what's happening. Just just buster new from the from the fake. Ibs boundless well unless the unless the person you have an affair with lives in the same apartment complex but still pretty much. Every affair became a long distance relationship. I didn't think about that. That's tough. Yeah and those those people they all they all have needs the affairs aren't all just fuck fucking people's feelings. Then eat attention. Think they would resort to fucking their actual partner wellness tired. Some of some of the affairs have ended because of the virus. But I think there's GonNa go right back to it once once. It's a little less sketchy so also people's it's like me quitting cigarettes right exactly. Yeah once once we get back into the through keep on talking about. We all know. Also People's other habits are being exposed like their porn addiction. Alcoholism and financial troubles. It seems that You know you can't. You can't hide all those bottles when whenever you're living in the same house. Oh you know you can come home after happy. I would say only at one drink when you really had five but now those bad bottles I'll stack up in the trash cannon harder to hide shit when you spend twenty four gives anyone yet. It's also financial trouble. Seems people are sharing computers. More so people are leaving should open getting careless. So they're tabs are open more time to soups kids. See an Emoji meant for mistress on the phone. Wife sees a financial tab open. It's also easier to Yeah I mean it's just it's just it's not good for people that are trying to the lawyers are ready. Who is your source for a story? This vice them where I read the article but it makes total fucking sense to me. Oh Yeah I imagine and this is you know first of all cheating fucking bad for both people but I imagine getting caught cheating us during quarantine not feeling. This article is speculative though well they talked to several lawyers said they're getting they're getting it's by it's written by someone was cheated on. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean everybody writes. Everybody's got somebody. Who's doing this right? It's logical it's definitely logical but I don't know if there's a statistics out there yet. So we'll see if the number of divorce divorces go up after the author's husband or wife and Deep Shit. I guarantee you that the voices go up and filings go after. Did you write this old? That's that's from previous tabs or being opened fire Fox version. Twelve point five. It was funny because one of the one of the things in the article said that some guy called called lawyer. The lawyer knew that he was like hiding in a closet trying to be real quiet because he didn't want his wife to know these. GonNa file for divorce cheating do can I do well? Well get your on the list. So that's after a long unless lawyers need to start offering text. Just don't want anything to worry about right there you go. Where do you think the worst place to be on earth right now is besides the closet in that house intern? Oh cruise ship or prison chicken coop and Tennessee Chicken Pot Sunday service. So will second guess. He keeps going back to prison correct. It's an El Salvadorian. Prison sounds bad right up and it. Is you see what had happened. Was the two main gangs and all. Salvador pulled an Italian mafia and started to take advantage of the crow virus while the police melts. Yeah well the police and military. We're dealing with taking care of citizens getting sick and helping hospitals and not paying attention to the gangs. The gang started killing each other at a much higher clip than usual and fifty. Three people were murdered in like thirty hours over the weekend this past weekend and that happened right under president. Naib who kells administration? Who's a young presidents? Who's only been in charge for like less than a year and has main platform was to limit gang murders and cracked on a gang murders. So that's not great. Why even fucking tribe in we've been we've been dealing with these goddamn Salvadorian Gang. Since we were children. I just ridiculous. What maybe this is the move. Maybe this is so radical. Listen to listen to what the president did to these fucking. Gama's thirteen right. Yes man pat years ago. I was told that that some guy named Burt. Big Paul was gonNA come. Kill me at the Hernan Festival because I talked to a girl that was in the eighth grade class and I was going to miss strained. Yeah we have lots of MS thirteen. They cut people's hands off from the trail that we used to bike. They were petrified. Roy Have Cubes. So the president's pissed they don't think about this whole platform and they killed with machetes. The president's PISCOPO platform was cracking on the gangs and he's claiming that the gang leaders inside. The prisons ordered the hits on the outside so but Kelly the president went straight to the prisons and said you messed with the wrong guy and on Monday. He announced that the gang members will no longer see sunlight ever again and will be housed with rival gangs so he warned. The gangsters will regret this for the rest of their lives. Having having made the decision to order the murders from prison. Then tweet out. Images of prisoner workers boarding up the cells and so basically just shoved the gang members. There's thirteen thousand. Seven imprisons in twenty four seven lockdown within the same cell with rival gang members. Jesus talk about some domestic Bouncy livestream probe so that was a pretty good counter. They put them in there with with the mediator or no. No no no mediator. He also pat authorized the use of lethal force on gang members. Committing violent acts in prison. So if you manage to get out of the boarded up sell they'll shoot you leave. The fourth is worse is allowed now by the prison guards and military guards he also it looks like did a show of power by having all the prisoners lay in a weird connected line in just their underwear with their legs wrapped around each other and their heads down in their hands over their head. While like a human centipede style while the guards with machine guns pointed guns at them and they did like a giant prison. Shoot like photo. Shoot and all the prisoners. This cycle the president just talking took a shit on the gone. There's one thing I know about Salvador and culture. It's you don't want people thinking you're gay and That is this one way to kill Dick to rear end. And I don the fucking presidents acting like the head of the gangs like the way. He's the ways responding is pretty insane. He's like the fire with fire mark. Yeah I hope. He has a good security detail now. Yeah think so eight eight. Yeah he's GonNa get off for sure I mean they're gonNA put him on a train. Don't you think that like I don't know if they operate the same way Mexican cartels do but if you fuck with them this much? Welcome after government. Officially I mean if you put a gang leader in a precarious situation and then take a photo of them and embarrass them. Chances are there's GonNa be some retaliation. Yeah that's what I'm saying but especially especially if you you may be found out that he liked it actually in your point laugh. Yeah yeah glad. You're not in which I'm not laughing. Ms Thirteen you're listening in the Eighteenth Street Gang. Not Funny to me. Yeah we'll see how that that pickle of a situation plays out. You wouldn't want to be one of those guys that's a sorry earlier mark you. That's the worst place to be counter blessings that you're not know Salvador in prison right now. Yeah that could be worse. Really put things in perspective all right. Here's another place it sucks. We're taking it back to the space corner. So we've got another shocker. Oh my God. The Pentagon has confirmed that the tapes of the. Ufo's that the guitarist from blink one eighty two and the tactical version of Guy. Fieri showed us on the History Channel Series. Last year are indeed real. Ufo videos focus classified them. They didn't say these are definitely Elio. They didn't say that you oppose same Alien Puck. And WHOA WHOA. Whoa they will percents have long object. This is what they don't know what the fuck it is. It doesn't it doesn't mean there's a little green man in their Alien Ham Job. -actly yeah well there you go but they did say they were. Ufo Okay what was the? What did you say you kind of? It's kind of it's west. West is exactly right commercials. Scared Alien Is Nice. Guys GUYS. Just calm down. West is exactly right because the Pentagon because the Pentagon just basically told us to be very scared. Very afraid we're in a world where the Pentagon says that there are. Ufo's West but that they don't West correctly know what they are right so basically thanks for nothing. The you're right like yeah. No I got news for you. Government AIN'T GONNA WORK. The global pandemic didn't bring us together. Ufo's aren't going to bring us together. People are assholes. Look no no no if they could prove where the alien bases are on the bottom of the ocean. Then I could maybe get behind. This thing is like I didn't 'cause but until then until it's just saying that a tactical Guy Fieri was right and that tank Alesando by the way. Thank next up spacex in Boca Chica. Texas where Elon. Musk is spending much of his time these days. These starship has passed the cryogenic pressure test on Sunday night. Proving that you can safely sit inside the space x starship inside the vacuum of space while you hurdle the Martian colony serve the remainder of your days. Working Your Space Fair off at the gigafactory on Mars for the rest of your decision. You'll ever make you while your muscles deteriorate and you're stuck in a spaceship we got a free place to stay down there. Why should go man? Where Book Loca Chica? You guys should go we go. Why not how far away from Austin's Bocaccio right by Port Aransas like three hours go? Once flights are back I could be I could be income through flight of corporate will pick you up. I'll let's do it and that's going to do it for hard factor this Tuesday. I'm sorry I will have to bring back the clock again. We've run long. They will be will put up a poll. We'll see I don't know we'll see how this plays out as always thank you for listening. Make sure you're following the hard factor. News Youtube page to get full daily videos and clips excellent youtube page. Make sure your followed all. The hosts at Har Factor Mark Pat West and will on both twitter and instagram. To keep up with the latest from us directly be on the lookout for another heart factor. Boat race invitation coming very soon. This time the Harto is going to be in charge. It's GonNa be much much better. Yeah I'M GONNA run it anything else. Does I was GONNA keep us in line. West not believe in Aliens No. I don't believe that this is like the government says now there's aliens you don't believe this is a smoking gun. No no it's like saying. Ufo's are real is an isn't it isn't anything just CNN. Saying that Joe Biden had sex twelve hundred. I don't think this is an ED. Admittance aliens just fucking and just you know what they are. It's a pair of. I thought they'd be bigger. Okay yeah it was. A small thing didn't look very impressive. It's a landmark moment in human history. So yeah not not for US. Not It means much. Thanks wes really Really put the Cherry on top of that story so most importantly everybody go have yourself a great fucking few gases. Thought they were pretty small down to think. Oh Gee is you know Spanish okay. So you're talking. Ufo that don't name so brain capital now but that don't impress me. Who carried a pocket? Obviously in Jackson kids jalen heaven forbid it should fall out of place okay so your Goddamn Ufo. Got It back.

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TCF Ep. 503 - Brent Lewis

The Candid Frame

1:09:22 hr | 8 months ago

TCF Ep. 503 - Brent Lewis

"Though I don't know this for a fact I think that many journalists and photojournalists had a similar experience in their lives that led them to that particular career path. It's analogous to how some photographers felt. When they first saw image appear like magic. In a developing trae photojournalist Brent. Lewis had such a moment in college. It led him to change his studies from electrical engineering to photojournalism. It wasn't so much the subject of that pivotal story. That was so important but the the feelings he had when he raced back to the newspaper processed his images and saw them laid out on the front page for the next issue is cool pages down. We got the one story out get stone. I remember walking out of there like which should be completely tired but I'd like to show energy walking across the street him back to my dorm and view ever seen pursuit of happiness. Two wills if gets the job he goes like this bubble. Hey clamp these grocery I that was the idea that it was probably to the cow boy and I am the only person out on the street nine just clapping and I was like. That's it this is what I wanNA do Monday evening. We'll talk about the relationships that have played a role in his career as a photojournalist of color and how it's all led him to his current position as a photo editor for The New York Times busybody annex and welcome back to the candidate frame thanks for making time for man. Welcome to the show. Thank you thank you for having is amazing. Yeah I'm looking forward to meeting up with you in person In DC for focus on the story. Yeah I'll be there when bales on our planning on some. I think we're taking over the reviews and then I'm GonNa talk about what yet figured it out but it's going to be going to be good. I I'm with you there man. Every time I go I do a presentation. I think that I'll just do one that I've done before and I never feel comfortable with it and I I just start shaking things up and then the closer to the date. The more I started thinking. Okay what am I gonNA talk about our doubt without a doubt? That's that's the an alleged I did that two years ago and it worked but first year and then the second year is. Wentz out is really went south. It was yeah but people people are good. Bits in everyone. Allah Brennan. Max I on a guy. Was IT JIM? Everyone knows that okay. What else well. We're going to talk with you about go. Go deep on some subject matter which I hope you don't mind but first a first off you got to explain to me how you get electronic engineering into being a photo journalist and that is quite a leap has let's just say a mother at. I wasn't very happy about that one but but no so I was at northbound on university. I was going to be the Black Tony. Stark that with my entire Mile Shindig on May I didn't want to make weapons of mass destruction. But like you know this tell me start and so I was there and it was the summer before off year. Migraine cure. This big black box camera now. The great it was great is two thousand seven or eight of this. You should probably get dishes digital nine years. And so when they mark Martin House and he was like take my camera. Go take a picture of you. Who were Camilo car? Walk around the House Open Up. Because when he's Real Jelly Open Look Dow is it has a block literally said has about two hours just like why is a black acne southside guy the doom with a? I don't picture like ran back to Grenada. Has a blood like yeah. I bought it off the stories and what he wanted to do. And so I kind of had a little bit of the bug already so again. This Camera Woman School Brennan's of the shop at student newspaper outside cool. I can do this beer money. This is your priorities back then. Exactly all in high so I went and so we're going to newspaper and I just fell in love with it. It was just like this ratio like ninety percents visits C. Plus plus coding language at ten percent. Forget Bert to buy middle's Mestre. It was like ninety percent of capitalism timbers going class in general at all so I was just hooked less there realizes to do. I'll hold off the my wife who was. I was afraid that time was like no. This is what you WANNA do. You're passionate about it. Go forward left bare. Went to play out Sakado or the student newspaper and just going from there got in charge at the red is Taco Tribune. And you know just the rest of this district away okay. I'm GonNa pull you back a little bit because when you started working on the paper you got the bug and and it's like for me. There's a story that I've had that I've shared on the story before that the moment I did basically I had an opportunity to tell Tell an exclusive story. It was a lot of action happening right in front of me ended up on the front page of the paper and I was like people were reacting to it Went to print. It was like. Wow that's what it was for me. What what was the sort of the catalyst for you where you felt like not just the taking of the picture and seeing it a appear on a white piece of paper but the whole journalism thing because you could have been happy just making pictures but you got. You got a bigger bug that bitchy. So tell me about. That's true okay. I don't know I think we wanted to that. We take you know we're going there. It was it was student council meeting base level student housing meeting further. My goal is in College Williams. Do Counseling Unlikely Housing Resident Housing Authority. It was shoe story that has gone on the paper. You Dave Thomas Goal over there in. You may pitchers he's writing story. Someone stole like ten thousand dollars of coffers off the Resin Housing Authority is this lady. She don't try and I was like. Oh my God this is great. Definitely one eight one. Zubi maze a one page. One small. They have a section anyway home so I go over there and I'm already like excited to my office. Is One of the big stories gets the door. And like Whoa. Whoa you got to know. The Star from the students is do live. The recent hall is a residence hall. Okay Cool you come in. The report was like they're like. What would you live our as tall? Jambi here saluted me Joe Brown giving like tile commercial breaks. I know you're not a writer. Take notes take notes as much as you can? Also okay sure ever did good luck so I go in my clothes. Are these pictures on the wall? You can't make pictures ear. You can make your donation disciples all right. Great sound like taking notes a really to Europe votes just about with their why. I don't know how Dave throughout this I'll stay by got enough. I was like really really excited. Glidden was going on my witnessing Allah key players and so it was there like you take pictures once over the moment they were like quit you. You're like will. And the multi picked up my camera they highlighted. Oh God thirty do seventeen hundred on it and I turn around and I like the way was accused by some our strode. Bail got You read let me basically like this weird mugshot. whipped back around in photographic eye. That was like really pushing hard to like GME. It got really wanted to see what was going on. Malir gots bows hit like shaking people's hands about that and I was all cool gouty Dave like what happy of my knows. What's this I'll I'll try talked to? And then you talk to this person right here in that on going back to the paper as through my shower bag running down the guy. I want us to Husky Boulevard. I'll bagels. That are like down the street. It was like a half the three four run like to book games like thumb cars. This is GonNa be great like closing the perfect photos guy shaking hands right after the whole thing. Went down in the purview. At me I called the designer desire runs over. He was like Oh. This is great. Goes over both photos of the page boom slab way one a one page one person does the most overwhelming right there and it works. Dave Zuri feeding him so close and things. I remember rolled down. Desire is Jason Their base around and is a cool pages down. We got the one story out gets going. I remember walking out of there like which should be completely tired. But I'd like to show of Energy. Walking across the street hit back to my dorm. Did you ever see movie? Pursuit of happiness. Radziwill's gets the job. These walk grocery. That was the idea that it was probably two and a half of the cow boy and I am the only person outside on the street and I just clapping and I was like. That's it. This is what I wanNA do Monday evening. What did your holds. I had no idea that this was two thousand seven. At this point in the newspaper she was going to all. I knew it was like this would be paid daily basis. I want this Marla. And so that that was that was one of the. That's the story of the the actual that just struck me and I have not looked back. I'm glad I missed that that for me. Just the it was the feeling One getting access to something that under normal circumstances someone would have turned me away from and then getting and then being you see I can get in because I have this press pass and this camera and then on top of that to be able to produce something and be part of a team. That's working in collaboration to put this story and my story ended up being on the front page of the paper to and you know to. Cathy was the two or three ED column picture and seeing in there and holding in my hand and it was just like all hail yes. Give me more jacket. Yeah so yeah because like you said you don't get rich from this so it's sometimes it's the card. This feeling that I get from from being able to apply myself to something I really love doing and having it result in something and the experience that just not just a month. It's hard drives quite amazing. Exactly like you. You can't beat that and I think as my career like move on in I kind of understood that everything is like breaking news but the main concerns of detail but overall is that can't be that the can't beat the villa being part of history in some way she'll form even on the smallest level tight large level is just that still in that outstanding now is able to cash these moments and to give the maximum people who wanted to make sure that every day's political out there takes the reader viewer in someplace they wouldn't be able to go and just provides them with a sense of that made anywhere else. It wasn't three being in. That's why not all not. All new stories are really dramatic. It's not a big sports events but I think that one of the things that makes it so exciting for a lot of the People. Who Do it is that there's always the challenge of getting the shot getting a good shot and that each in he's assignment can be attest of not only of your ability to get the picture but the do the things that you need to order to put yourself in the position to get the picture exactly. Where did you run that part of it because I think you go to college? Learn about a writing. Doing captions making the photographs. But the real skill is being able to to maneuver yourself when you got all those obstacles. All those people who say. You can't make a photograph here. He can't do. This can't do that. We're all that stuff. Where did that skill come from? That's a good one. I WANNA say began with that deals. Like start naturally. I was always my which one of my favorite things being life was just like working for my heart mom in working from just being passionate and just going where I felt it was gonNA happen was always budget village. I think once in college I started getting more confident. I started to realize what these access our half in do. That's are being added finding ways around living with down understanding. Thanks gene a lot more because I studied tigers. A study for journalism is studying. He published a paper on across wires. And you kind of beginning to take those next and start look slows hints cool. I think it was his army photo of this competition in the rafters with a six hundred dollars. I never figured demon go. That way in soldiers became this instinctual thing about where the accents owes us are. Kind of. Just really think it was more or less more or less I got that confidence tribals. Things go after just realizing understanding being part of a story some point Newroz or the action was going to go and allow la La land they will allow let allow pitcher. Wnit Bait but it just clears in those places in finding in just kind of spots and working on a newspaper you have to be sort of an every man. 'cause you have to shoot spot? News feature stories sports portraiture product stuff. You know if someone's doing a food article that's a lot of a lot of experience that you basically have to develop in order to be adept at all of those things. What do you think was one of the bigger challenges that you face in terms of being effectively diverse? In that way. Oh God it was not understanding all that was needed so remember being in college and they weren't stool glass STU light about were funding safer. Why would I think the studio? That's crazy about strolls and flashes power outlets and tools and techniques crazy very quickly reminders. For that at all this stuff is extremely important very very quickly so for me. The charges were all of that majority of things. I did naturally position instead of myself when it comes to the portraits. Still lifes and things like that came. Very Ashley. I had experience with that. I can work on that on my own. I can work on that Siamese. Whatever it is those bigger things. That's where I had to set goals KANU that I was not every year from about two thousand eleven to out whenever I guess. Fine hug it out which was two thousand and. Sixteen ahead Abgal. Three lows goes straight. Were working my lighting. We're GonNa Porch knew that was. I was absolutely horrendous. If AOL wants to go to Iraq home. I'm protonix that shows. You Are Act in two thousand twenty eleven. Golf look but no. It was just really identifying what they weren't just going after them our horse so after I got reprimanded park for terrible auto Tommy that really. Y'All look at her. I knew that with Hasn't through so I will go out. I looked for for sure some ways to do a better than I was before. Stop Star Search Star. Working with my friends I can pull on Portuguese naturally. But let's not. Let's see what happens. Spring flash flash so that was really that understanding of putting things tool bay as amaze John h white would say so I building that toolkit inside just new whenever I need something like okay. Now he's here or even waiting started. Crossover floor I was like cool. You know what I'm Gonna. Bring the strobe to this basketball gymnasium in the middle of Ohio because no Zeltzer can't in tries to Does all these things that kind of like grew over time that I just knew at bringing actual new. They're missing because I picked out screaming. They didn't looking at the White House are she was at the time or what. Brian. Kosovo's will look like with Nancy bringing everyone from the charge them. Our heart is just a bunch of realize. Where am I doing good attacking those going after them and being like next those assignment? I'm going to knock out the part so for everyone goes looks. Invite the Tom Hanks. Go look at the. Selena Gomez photo next and Astros you. What a month if less than a month's work at noon so you turn shipwreck. We're wasn't that was at one of the red eye. Which is the smaller daily paper out of the Tribune and then the chocolate again? Okay you eventually work at the Denver Post and now you're at the New York. Times is as an editor but tell me about that time as as an internship. In retrospect you know because a lot of people aren't listening to this show who are in college. You're looking for internships. Because THEY WANNA get into journalism. In retrospect what do you think is is important about when after you've gotten the internship in in terms of making the most out of it because everybody thinks about getting the intern ship and that's GonNa lead to something but they forget something. There's something in the middle of that so for you what what's what's the takeaway that anyone who gets an internship regardless what paper there at it's important to remember looking back looking back from me. I wish I would have asked more questions. And it's for more help as more feedback At now as editor and I wish I could give more feedback but I really don't have it have the time to just alone myself. Hey here about the sign it if someone asks me Michael. Oh this is what the Saudi. You'd better this one you next time for my interests are really wish. I would have asked for more feedback. Auto figured out more story is that was one thing before. I got the tribune internship. internship line of total world which tells homer all levels of research. I'm talking about. I knew the demographics I decided to have the eastside and Westside city was because of this riot everyone knows that happened in nineteen twenty one. Now shots washing I. Who Story on the data on New People? I need to make contacts Ground I knew place need to go. I'm like a church. I need visit because under there has made connections like you can ask me anything about total and I had it on. Lunch Tribune. Garbage-strewn wish wanted to come in after that which I delete so supply. I do research. It's my city I know my city and I think I got wage comfortable and I didn't do the research on the south side Chicago great and it was not until like almost the middle or end. Bet I really okay. How's it is my issue that I really WANNA dig into July? Oh cabrini-green place. I need to go. I want to file the residents there but our halfway through internship so yes oh feedbacks do other research before he read everything your hands worn and be confident be confident. Make those mistakes now. Don't feel like eating perfect. Don't need every single time now part and just try in the end of the day like do you be you. You're the photographer that they call. They were like they had a hundred two hundred applications and they pick yours for you have a wave way working away making pictures away doing amazing journalism. So that's what they want. They don't want you've been there box where they have eating. Probably once you understand three must shake that staff up. Arbor say Callahan. O'hare was the intent of Denver Post when I was there one year and I think just her energy like she was. She was young fresh at that time. different by the way that she bought out the jubilation eight pictures. Our said's fired by all you try that you go this. Roddy misfire rely on. That's what they're doing now that the way that you're framing has gone through it three. That's why I've been that by. Just all those just live for their feedback. Do your research in just be confident. Go after dry because at the end the day like is three months so worth those two months to death in half fun. Yeah well having fun is really a big part of it. But there's one point that really resonates with me is the idea of asking about stuff you don't know and longtime especially when I was younger. I didn't want to do that because I didn't risk. I don't want people thinking that I didn't know what I was doing. Even if I didn't know what I was doing right and and I think for people of color who are who already feel sort of not part of immediately where the only one in the room and you feel like people are going to judge you in a way. That's different from their their peers. It's really difficult to broach that and say. Hey I need help with this right. You know. It's something I've dealt with for a long life even older but I think that that that idea of you can still be confident and still asking for help and I think that people confident you're never asking for help because you know you know everything it's like. No I'm confident enough to know that I need to ask for help. Exactly it's really about using that counter like Oh my God that person so confident like yeah but they're confidently going to hope and that's what it's really about like. I'm GONNA be like. Hey I need. I don't know this. Explain this to me. Because that's what that intern does. It allows them to move forward confidently known that extra. How incompetent learn how to do the next step away raise for Hanso? Yeah that's I love that the extent one of the things it does is it builds camaraderie. It creates the relationships right. Yeah because if you're there thinking I got I got this stuff on lock. I don't need anybody's help. I'M NOT GONNA TALK. Anybody I'm just GonNa you know. Kick everybody's but all my pictures. Great different kind of relationship in unusual or any place and very very quickly. So you had opportunity to go to Any atoms workshop. Yes so and that's an amazing experience. Tell me how pivotal was for you in terms of your career. Oh God two thousand twelve twenty five red team shots job more Jamie but a that was that was issues almost re I saw like as you like kind of breakdown so far windows two on the US. Zoos are the big legacy schools charter out. Amazing amounts of journal journalists when ours at Columbia we head Pablo was gone. Pablo who's eighteen on engineers who still freelance and top and gobble do people Fraum Columbia who've done actress got and I was on my. This may so would I select my worst above anything else but for me it was getting their step one. I think it was just gigantic approval by we just had about the conversation about confidence for me. Stanford what Yo. You're a twenty. Five hundred other may gone through this and I was hundred. You're you're here for reason Fine so it was as a consequence of these legends. It was just people. I ironically just out my notebook foreign I went in two thousand twelve. And how these names of people at major tire which Had IT DOWN? So don't have downstairs. It was just like our were. Jewish. Only John. More on me. Where hourly would surely as army with all these this to? Phnom people in just having their and having them as a resource until I walk to. But Hey hi umbrella was I just lay judges were. I remember like seeing Andres slot team. He was going through the photos. That WANNA pull up and it was super out information because it was the context context sheets. Yeah it was issue but how it was a photo of two. That's a battle that's Pulitzer Horizon Votto. That's a bad bad bad photo and for me just like this is how it's made so outside of just seem as word being a team with folks that ironically our work with one of the now which is insane and not knowing. Who was there at that time you're not going to? Some of them are really really good friends that we didn't know we were they again. It just it just gave his confidence this watery his ability to understand that like I belong here. I am part of this industry and I have this bit of the Stanford Crumble. So yeah it was just kind of show me that is industry cares so much about like This pain for hasn't the next generation because those folks narrow did not at all has nicely thing to Sanada looking at work but they did and out of that room. Two of those people in that room that night James Is One of my really really good friends. It's crazy dot com a friend because seven years ago. I was like Mr Astronaut Lead. Look at my working. Tell me how he should leave for the last. Several years is insane crazy in the numbers. Norman Thomas Hardy. At the number pope's he completely neglected me that painting by raw dean show for Troglio view but some way out guy was what two years later. I just saw the email to. This is crazy. Two years later I get a phone call. And he's like Hey. Let's get an interview. Twelve hours laid off so the connections that I made there were amazing. Just a copy of Bill Jones Mazen and I don't think I ever fully came back downstairs because after that four days by works on halting level I got I was at. She'll she'll go high at the time of the chillicothe because it can find it on. I'll give them a dollar old but I got back and I was fired two. We had a photo time Frank Robinson and he was just like. I don't know what that works out. Did you but like your level of on a whole new spot I. I can't even tell you where they're right now. 'cause way beyond where will you lift? And he was piloting what's Rockford. He was like the moment went to that workshop yearly. Now you've got people who gets lost those like your slot was better than not being allowed to work from the store so yeah but between connections and everything I think I think the workshop every year they will ever have me. We had one experience there. That really struck me when I heard about it. Which was when there were there. Weren't that many people of color there and one of them wanted award the South Africans. And then tell me what happened immediately afterwards. That was kind of like an experience to say that. Yeah it was. It was one of those moments that like you also realize how few of you there are industry cameras name but the type did some major work delayed shopping. Give out awards at the end of things. So he won the Nikon D or time or the three hundred three twenty four seventy two seventy two hundred flashes and all this stuff so he wanted to old and so immediately afterwards the whole Party heal and like I won't sat by dancing and the strength and stuff like that and so he's like twenty two now and you'll be like or voice only Dallas meeting. Oh sorry who didn't buy and so okay? You Know Live at the time twenty years of the very act by every single I would add diving Luton band and related but you can't I mean I didn't want any camera gear. Oh you sure. Aghia carrier sorry about that road in Bali like thirds. Came up at this by. It's too bad he was like. Oh Blah Blah Blah. If there's two of us here's the other. Black Guy Skinny one. I'm the beer guide. The SKI BLACK DOTS by bad man. I'm sorry one more time and then I was like an. We're done talking here and how no I can say like. It rubbed the wrong way. What am I saying? They brought me the wrong. Pledge ended things are also showed that like should just be to here and you know but also just as you was that appreciable in their own dinner understand that there were two black folks. Didn't know so yeah it was. It was definitely experience put poly but it showing me that we have ally working a lot of work to do all our to do when it comes to people especially. Black Brown talks which you know. I've I've gotten better. We'll probably get some more this later but We long especially along with it and that's not long ago. I mean I could. I could see not gonna sit in my time. That yeah things are getting better or WANNA hear storing. Data should have gotten a hell of a lot better by two thousand twelve. Probably got like SPEC- apartheid. Some shirts concert you that this is no. It's the other black guide blackout Ozzy. A fifth time out like Walter on stage like usually every what it was the other black dot. Yes that one okay. Yeah you can't just turn around. You were that back but it's easy stop but it's the same as much as people say that they don't see color. It's amazing. How oftentimes a react. Because of your color and here you are in a community that is supposed to be you know well intentioned Blah Blah Blah. But you know it's it's ingrained into the culture as much as they may not want to admit it but you and. I know that you've experienced going on Simon where all of a sudden they look at you and they go. Where's the where's the photographer? You know like you said they can rub you sort of the wrong way you learn how to sort of like sort of brush it off and get to work but is it frustrating. Sometimes that if you're the only one on staff you don't have somebody to talk about that with you know because sometimes when you're experiencing in isolation it makes such experiences a little more difficult just because you don't have something you can met with and I think that that can be kind of burdensome especially when you're young trying to build up your career so tell me about contending with those moments even though you kind of like let them roll off your back as they occasionally you know it can be a bit much. Yeah you know for me. I've been I've been I think the the easiest tournament light bill like sliding blessed that like I've had I haven't never had been on staff with another black her in a role of photographer for the New York. Times is okay. We'll washing washing clothes. Outside of the staff done junior which is anomalous completely all black but as the role of staff talker. I've had people that were using the term woke but a kind they got they got it and it just been around black folks enough. Wacky light have good conversation with like. Yes that's necessary. That's really messed up. I think for I will love where if I was an adult back in conversation and let the high wind heavy mentors that call Jimmy. Can you man they occur? Katyal new Kiddie or denise or CI. Lancia Jokes Lombardi. Akili a head. I'm letting people I can make phone golf's do I haven't had been the newsroom by to make phone call. So that was that was my savior. I wish there was where people had on staff I just like zero or Inns by any man this is. This is why I can't really. I can't really you know what this would just like down and also I've out once I got to Denver. Away from like rob copy which probably a little bit more suspect. Probably I had actually left issues like race. Choke off the extra a lot. Not It was in Rockford Denver. I had war but I remember being able to kind of like a big. Jim was compositions by getting race in Denver. When I was like on the way out the last two days they'll be like oh being black in Denver. How has been for you believe I had in Denver? The object of your energy was by an I got into this. I've often times it just like Yo conscious black man we just as one of the check's gone down. The newsroom are gone out of Denver General. Just because he's a Denver for a while. I was like let me just highlight for me of Oklahoma. I in Denver. Y'All to energy whatever place you're working with and I I didn't know US flag. No sorry go in there and we're having a look. I Mondays and just quickly like charging like barbershop. Sie Lay there ain't Shit Mash. It Ain't Dacca trophy. Finishing Man Baba so wait around here like really the only time like one two shoes yesterday and it was great. I think it was three of us. It was three of us if you don't count security so three room but does that gave me ability like have someone. I know that many of you have been thinking. I need to get around to support any candidate frame but then stuff comes up you forget and you only remember the next time you listen to an episode. I get it. I've done the same thing myself with a group that I support with a monthly donation. But I can tell you that once you do it. You don't have to worry about it and you also have the satisfaction of knowing that you are supporting something that you appreciate and enjoy some. Why don't you put this show on pause? For a moment we're not going anywhere and go to Patriotdepot DOT COM forward slash decanted frame and sign up to contribute five dollars or more month. Come on come on. Just just pause it right now. It will only take a few minutes right now. Thanks but you got to do the role of Of An editor at The Washington Post and now the New York Times. So you're on the other end of this now where you're able to you know hire photographers and things like that. And one of the things. That was really kinda curious to to hear. Since you've had experience on both ends of the table you know. We talked about earlier. About the way people get into photojournalism people go to Missouri Missouri Columbia. One of the big sort of photo journalism schools to get internships. They may manage to get into Missouri for graphic workshop or Edie Adams and you know those things those all of those things basically serve as a channel for the photo journalism industry and the access to those really each of those sort of narrows narrows a narrow the pool of people who have access to the decision makers and as you said you know you went when you went there. Were probably only two other when one or two other people color there. So why people generally yeah. Yeah so so. My question is to you especially now in terms of accessing the decision makers there's A. There's a large number of photographers who didn't go to those universities. They basically have just gone out. They started shooting. They started hustling and yet they may not be able to get into one of those institutions can or can't afford to do internship right. So what's what newspapers magazines say? They WANNA open it up and one of the things I often hear about is like well. I'm not seeing that work right and I think is like well. It depends on where you're looking right but but what can oath the photographer. Who's not coming through traditional? Well let's start there. What can photographers were? Not In those traditional you know basically pathways. What can they do when they don't have the advantages of another group of people that did so? Yeah that's that's me question ads. That's the question that has been like keeping me up late at night just because like you know. I co founded diversify and. That's the way that opened up halfway. Best not everyone who knows about that because even that you have to. Do you know diverse fighting this. You have to be somewhere. Attached to the photojournalist realm in general just because of how social media works. It's not like this. Wide blasted goes everywhere. Everywhere being extended is going to apply or he wants to get out of that works so like as many people that have been attached. You because become aware of because there's probably at least five or ten out there that I will never know which so for me. It's always just been about all this is this is your night. It's trying to go out by ways to make those connections to life. There's many ways that you have. The Internet social media world is so much so mazing awfully maples connections. I had kids from high school. They're like high school. Who RESENTS ME? Afghans who are in College Hsun for the New York. Times is incredible. I know anybody near tops for the folio view or a workshop. People requested. Sit Down with me coffee. Whatever to show their work all the time now because they find Oceania they and finally matters. They do things like that. Hit me up something. It's always Kinda like identify. Wear identify where words that you WANNA do. His name done a either. Reach out to those those gatekeepers. I'll get you so I went. Holy Structure Photography. Whoever might mean that that spot of hiring Mason this industry is sometimes But it's overall like pretty like I've met some amazing people who could wrote off seven years ago and I've Morton at Kinko's right by those people experts do that we have to reverse our take. There's someone who were that. You are really in towards you. Really light in Israel. Enjoy that you want to do you see of doing our reach out to them in work. Social mediums that wakes has I can pinpoint maybe five or six people in my authors that use instagram defines doctors. That delays get hired by. Your time's become usuals. Because they saw a scramble they saw them on his scrimmage that on his trip so I used to media research. People don't be afraid dropping email believing I call time. People say he cohen emails. All the time you will have no noble they are the universe to work or hey come on their time. Tree House in your tops was they. They might just found out. But like if you Karl via you know you people's I'm like are you. It comes from me. It's all about being in that space. Being a myspace will allow you to one day. Envision yourself in Essex you can't. It's hard to believe in it to see it. You see you can believe it. So that's all I ask. You WANNA hang out. So the cat's Amber Dacian a Jackson out of Cleveland million-euro recall emails just like Hey Diversify referred from another friend of mine's by New York. Don't reach out to why I was just like comes through times seven. Cast which work William Seal were going on a now. She's on fire fight. I waited to get her in the system and everything times it now. She's just using as word Cleveland and now she's embraced are sharing her McCarthy. I'm like Oh that's Out She's in Cleveland. Oh Hornets the nominal or amazed scenario. Where she she didn't get some calls from colleagues the abets. What at this point. You have to work your way in other ways. 'cause we're all night against Super Lucky and have By our own wind up on the cover of time it habits in his adage. But it's not always the way it's going to happen but it's just like do the work and I would take issue with someone at New York. Times did have an issue with that. Because that's the way it works. It's like oh you went to you. Went to my college went to Harvard. You went to Yale. You went to Stanford. Oh we have a connection. Let's talk that you know if you think about the makeup of those universities rich you know it's going to be people that like them so I you know so if anyone sort of bristles that because you know you're having a little open door to people that you have an affinity for doesn't mean that you being exclusive to everyone else but at least aero you're aware of it and the the question is are the people who are from those institutions and from those traditions from you that that sort of standardized culture are they aware of that that that inherent bias exist and that they have to you know consider that with respect to their choice and so yeah I. That's that's one of my. I wonder if all the time I was trying to like. Find my way to sneak in people's minds like here. The thoughts is like a see if they understand that. Because even in the me take it from the other end because I think a lot of time. The onus is put on the photographers on the writers that you were the one who supposed to sort of make things happen. And it assumes that the institution as it is is okay. Because I'm sure that people look at you and go. Oh your photo editor at The New York Times. The system must work so if anyone is an position is because it's something they're not doing that you did right so I see I see that face. They don't see it. But I but I see it so in terms of the institutions themselves. You know we just talked about what photographers need to be doing. But from from your position what did the institution themselves needs to be doing to change the system that even even twenty twenty is still affected by a as a systemic system that is still too exclusive not just in terms of people back and white but people were you know gig lesbian women you know all of. That's exactly I think what's interesting journey to take. Is I just take a step back and just understand where you are around so meeting folks just like? Oh Join Great. We have people of color the newsroom and has like yeah you got like three like seven or maybe twelve so obviously understand where you're adding the situation next it. It becomes out of that outreach openness. You had a great space for people to come and present their work calm and be seen and beyond that. You need to go outside doing that work. Oh God I wish I really didn't write down. What the what was. But why shouldn't be on the inescapable color? Why should be on people less fortunate notch spots to create change in the industry changing the world generally she institution that create that change and so is that what they've done to create the system that we're in right now and how to go about changing the big for me it becomes about trading spaces. People can feel like they can be heard can come in instead of cable to have that conversation to take yourself down from a higher given all it really just like all right. What we got wrong gotten it. But let's have is better. I think is by having more black folks in room. What good book under him. More Room more just across the board. Because what they do is this going to create his institutions More like the world around us and we just about that bias. That people have like all lock out tag out. But you know if you're able to send a room there's more promiscuous in the room when there's more whoever's it instruments what her background is going to be that ability where the doing all you're from you went down or your car or your whatever it is the might just be is going to allow that. Conversation happens and allow them to open that door to create that that opening for them to come in and sit down and have table in these institutions need to bring needs to diversify their staff need to diversify who they're working with needs by weight stories in these actually look at themselves check device that door because without that we're not going to move for you can increase your numbers. You can show your numbers about how many people of Color your heart. How many women you hard. That's great knowledge advisors and the people who charged had not checked those. It will not make a difference because in the day were doing really really great. Kazuhiro rate or are people like crazy but obviously going to be the first ones outdoor so it becomes for me at end of the day. Just like look at yourself in the mirror take that on his upon yourself to go out to reach out to fire places where you can see growth in in. You can push dinners that you had that you put into your friends or people went. Y'All Matas and use that to purse the next generation he earned Dole those biases back. So I mean dads were. It's it's multifaceted I think especially now. Will there a couple of things right now? One is is is what's happening in terms of the newspaper especially in the newspaper industry were all of these papers are being consolidated into smaller and smaller you know multimedia companies where the local newspaper is is becoming decreasingly present in a lot of communities but also just in terms of the audience is changing and and. I think that there is something to be said for creating a staff in an basically a group of people putting a paper that are telling the stories in ways that the people whose communities are being reflected in in the paper feel like. It's it's being told in a way that they feel is relative to them rather than rather than using the sort of mythological aleve in objectively which doesn't really exist and historically any community whether it's black with Latino etc it's often been told from one singular objective and while you can have some diversity in the newsroom that doesn't automatically translate that that that individual or couple of individual is able to have enough impact in to how the editorial staff ends up thinking that this story should toll exactly so and I think that's what we're kind of speaking to cause as much as I would love to see more diversity in terms of photographers and Writers. And editors US like. Yeah it's it's it's a whole collective then that has to be aware of the fact that in the way we've always done things may seem to a working only seemed to have worked for certain group people not for everyone exactly by having a people in the room really does. It makes a difference but the day because they're not giving the onus to feel like they have the ability to stand up and have those tough conversations raise those issues. Was You really do by Erzen more than just a token like a Guy? Give THEM THAT SPACE. You have to give him that onus and give them that believe that they're here for a reason outside just check a box outside just feeling really diverse open. You made higher. You can tell me but is it is increasingly harder to do that with less staff positions existing and so much work being relegated to freelance artists. Who Don't feel empowered to be able to express themselves in this way is. Is that a big issue. Huge issue honestly and an issue that I feel. We haven't fully county grisly. I think we're still bouncing things out. Those who are our top stories. But it's huge issue because the freelance of some feelers. Just don't feel an have that ability to speak up by now. This is a do it unless you have like. I have a few people have to get me pushback way that they thought I was going to cover story fight. This is what it is about their will when again came to be let out the story about appellation. This way house like that's funny because I didn't want to anyway. 'cause also at Napoli should forbid long time. I know that this would be story. But yeah that's cool. That's thanks for explaining it but I've never really had many like people's color made from backgrounds. Push back. This is not the way the story she told. And I don't know that was other editors sound of other people in general so on his outside folks that you have like deep relationships with 'cause like hope that on retired verse that I work with I'm average employee. Push back on but you know when you were relegated to call the next time selling. That editor makes a little more difficult to do that. Now when you're going to be a photo at the New York Times tell me about how. How all that happened. Oh okay That's a that's A. That's a good story so I'll tie are going to stay shutout to sorry to hear this but it's true that's what happened to my boss so we. Richardson was leaving to go to start her new job in London. She's a photo favorite human beings in the universe and like cool. We got a spot opening at first. I wasn't going to black athletes. That should us what you do. You like negative. Must be at the time so undefeated at a time. The senior photo editor of initiated. And Or. It's no I that point. I knew I got arose at the Washington Post. I'll unseated seated so I'm Elizabeth go there. No I was. I was tired of daily books at the time. I was screaming. Marianne Golan I knew the staff will in DC so simple route and then Josh James Who just talk about four hundred? These connections was like hey this job openings going. I'm in the newsroom. I want you in the newsroom. You're amazing we need our no jam. Is the near tires that not good. You really are went. Apply Dan they gave the guy that pays you. Still what is nine and so grandly enough by the are happening at Washington polls and this is going down and then Machel calls me the former. Dop at Newark tons of like. Hey one of bringing interview net. I was afraid of this lady. I've been afraid this won't for like hired breer. We have been in rooms together She'd been on panels. She was doing portfolio reviews. Our show her mind work. Anyone even talk to her as I was GONNA come correct. I WANNA be. I WANNA be their best level. Talks like we bring I think it was skyping personal. So he did skype interviews guy doing great and they ran off. I was having been in New York coming or something fanatically once again. So Sorry L. of Y'all and so on your show it was like. Oh you're in New York. How much just you can just make me by gaming house okay. Cool Great Story. Do we have to go through the fullest August? Okay so I'm I'm covering the saying for It always your this time at absolute nothing apart by car in a spot while I was pre shows not overnight spot price as hop on the ACELA. I fly back to DC at like I get into. Dc like ten or eleven pm at night. Go Car Call My wife. House on the train. She was like. Hey Hey hey I got an interview the near time backing new. York's understand you until my car. She she like throws kid. The car has implemented the car back in the car. I'll drive back to New York. Let's just came from New York Gun. Dry Back up to New York fleet for a total of get there had to be like to my son at this point to be Julius. Give me no more to sleep like three hours of through my ceiling gudgeon asset because it makes that much better great. We have an test a all goes well in based I get back in the Washington Post called brick of the ro okay cool. This is amazing. Yeah that's great and so any laughter. Folic JIM WOULD YOU. Have you know that you can call hours? Asians with everyone needs mentors and Bass. Ideal of psychology aims like. Hey this is what's going on. Try Michelle Ley breath. Call Michelle Auburn Day in Washington pose. I gotTa make our way another. It's going she just like. Hey I don't do that as the New York Times which they do not a loved dearly and so she was like you know. We're catching time. I understand that do cool singers May. What's The Washington Post? Spend a NAS opposed like three lines in the Michelle cost that Arthur the job of the Washington Post. I'm here whatever. Michelle COME BACK. And she was like it was going on. We have a really good conversation and I thought she was just calling because she's retired by her. Last stations called. Just say hello. I don't know why director retired. Call me say hello and act. I said I don't know why that cool in my mind up there are we talking. She's like yeah you know. We wouldn't argue the job. I was like I just started at the Boe's three months ago I was like. Oh okay cool. I don't do crazy things like that. She about big. Because maybe you should do crazy you thanks so long ago. They Megan came in. Who WAS THE NEW DEAL? P. Over there car later on thick my time at the Washington Post wasn't completely imagined is really really good. Offsite also we a wife and the ad I think right where we were my son time five into Graduate High School Okay. So game now. Let's do it like if you want to. You know despite you near times it was just not a line. I don't WanNa let New York but we found a neighborhood outside of Newark suburb of New York. That we really liked wireless. Let's just do it by what you've taken on these risks we've made on these moves. We've often Chicago chillicothe your to Rockville Illinois Denver from Denver to Washington. Dc from Washington DC to slash. So if I've learned Let's just let's just do it. Do it was the worst thing that happened. If if they fill Greg By the Mexican food there letter anyway. So yeah just just I just went for. It was the craziest thing ever like. They work at the undefeated. They said that was great. Word Unlimited wash postmaster messed up say saw that they would diversify those like we want your knowledge Standard photographers whose out at university. We're not seeing because if people are not one. Diversify that Noah and we will be in the patient. Your copy more those sorts here so awesome. It's a great story. Grabby that in it was it was that was wild when my last question my last question that I ask each guests. I asked them to recommend another photographer and it can be anyone. Someone long admired or have recently discovered so with a photographer being y three or four five or twelve. Let me see. I think I got my favorite remains at award already. Maranda Barnes. I Love I like to let me to stay here right now. When else I hybrid barge Turks right is there value in the world? That think that they hide her first. I hyper sprint Lewis. I put that out there will wax but I think for me I would recommend I'm going to say I'm going to keep the Chicago. I'm going my God. Notice Andersen our love notices work. He's one of those people who came across much in the way that many errors Instant offense room he did this amazing word for my Guy Joe fresh goods out Chicago on we came out to slide of thank you. Obama shirts took their boss door. Go and still really really follow. Those are who took the photo. It was like chance. Rapper was there. We'll have a show slows got out to a and it was Harrison. I'll let me let me see. Let me see what he's back when grandma account and I was like Joe. This work is crazy. It's not in my will house using his heart. Gopher journalism knocking neurosis really amazing. Porcher IN THE NETHERLANDS CAN Steve. He has a documentary rates. And things like that just the way that he goes about creating these these images that like captivate you in college were all Virginia stone just phenomenal and then on top of that just the way that he he works really methodical brother like he can tell like how does it employs these things together builds in his just phenom- watching just grow fused sucked out of about twenty sixteen seventeen two now. So he's the he's the person I would. I would say that I just I'm in love with also you already talked to numerous by the people so I decided somebody that you did not have all right. Thanks for that and thanks for making time for me today. I really do appreciate it. Thank you for having me this amazing and they were like me. I was able to talk about real stuff. 'cause use that go things like you know every day five crazy but you know. I fight the US where we can. We are resolved. They would actually have a real conversation like yeah man. It's crazy right now while and a better do better. I don't know what we're GONNA do yet but I'm working. I'm just I'M A SECRET SQUIRREL. Bait t-shirt Man Secret Squirrel trademark that Jelly I will. It's going it's known anything about I. Gotcha I WANNA YOU WANNA know staff. Anybody who could attach I got you so like our I believe door open doors open crack. I'm having is yours is why come through come on through. Thanks to brand for sharing his time in story with US find out more about him and his work by visiting balloons photo dot com and discover some great talented photographers of color by visiting diversifying dot. Photo I'll be in Washington. Dc FOR THE FOCUS in the story festival in the fall in a memento photographic workshop in El Paso Texas in August as well as my weeklong workshop in Tokyo in December. You'll find details on all of these on our website if you are devoted listening and subscribe to the show Rightist Review on whatever service you. 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